| 00:00.08 | aladds | jelly-home, aha! that's done it, thanks! |
| 00:00.32 | jelly-home | aladds: add them to /etc/modules for future use |
| 00:04.14 | jhutchins_lt | I believe parport does not create the lp device, for that you need to have a printer configured with something like cups or lpd. |
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| 00:04.45 | jhutchins_lt | aladds: Does lsmod show the parport? |
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| 00:06.29 | jelly-home | it's fixed already, jhutchins_lt |
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| 00:07.10 | aladds | jhutchins_lt: it does |
| 00:07.21 | jhutchins_lt | xlnt |
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| 00:07.36 | aladds | I'm trying to use openocd |
| 00:07.45 | aladds | it's proving difficult to get it to connect |
| 00:07.56 | jelly-home | way back when I used it, the silly distro didn't think it was necessary to load the arch-specific parport-pc driver before lp; it would load lp and parport and fail at being useful |
| 00:08.01 | aladds | it's currently telling me the permissions might be wrong |
| 00:08.13 | aladds | hah :S |
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| 00:08.54 | jelly-home | your user will have to gain permissions necessary to access the device... ls -l /dev/lp0 ? |
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| 00:09.47 | aladds | i tried just using sudo |
| 00:09.50 | aladds | made no difference |
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| 00:12.35 | Cusipzzz | newb question, apt-get for tinyproxy gives ver 1.6x - latest is 1.82, want 1.82 - downloaded 1.8 from packages page but it will not tar/install. ideas? |
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| 00:13.06 | jelly-home | ,versions tinyproxy |
| 00:13.06 | Arrowmaster | ,versions tinyproxy |
| 00:13.08 | judd | Package tinyproxy on i386 -- etch: 1.6.3-2; lenny: 1.6.3-3.2; sid: 1.8.2-1; squeeze: 1.8.2-1 |
| 00:13.12 | jelly-home | hey! |
| 00:13.33 | Arrowmaster | dpkg: tell Cusipzzz about ssb |
| 00:13.57 | jelly-home | Cusipzzz: you will have to build a local backported package using the method dpkg tells you about in the private message. |
| 00:14.07 | Cusipzzz | thank you both |
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| 00:14.57 | Arrowmaster | and remember due to dependencies you might have to backport additional packages |
| 00:15.30 | Cusipzzz | sounds...complex, lol. is lenny std ever going to be updated? |
| 00:15.30 | Arrowmaster | i doubt that though |
| 00:15.49 | Arrowmaster | stable never gets 'normal updates' |
| 00:16.09 | Arrowmaster | only security patches applied to existing versions |
| 00:16.17 | Cusipzzz | ok, ty |
| 00:16.26 | jelly-home | Cusipzzz: there are rumors of another stable release. |
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| 00:16.57 | Arrowmaster | yes 'soonish' but still unsure |
| 00:17.01 | jelly-home | look near your torrent rss feeds soon, perhaps this year |
| 00:17.09 | Cusipzzz | just want this tinyproxy update, everything else is fine and don't rly want to start over |
| 00:17.55 | jelly-home | tinyproxy seems like ssb might work... it's, well, tiny and doesn't have many dependencies |
| 00:18.26 | Arrowmaster | it should, only versioned dependency is on libc6 |
| 00:18.49 | jelly-home | in fact, that dependency says the package currently present in squeeze should work as-is on lenny |
| 00:19.05 | jelly-home | ,depends tinyproxy --release squeeze |
| 00:19.06 | judd | Package tinyproxy -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7), logrotate. |
| 00:19.12 | jelly-home | ,versions libc6 |
| 00:19.13 | judd | Package libc6 on i386 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny6; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze-security: 2.11.2-6+squeeze1; sid: 2.11.2-7; squeeze: 2.11.2-7 |
| 00:19.34 | Arrowmaster | still not suggested to attempt it |
| 00:19.57 | chilli0 | Where is the network usage file? Like how many bytes has been uploaded and download? |
| 00:20.04 | chilli0 | I know it's somewhere in /proc |
| 00:20.08 | jelly-home | Cusipzzz: so one might download the binary package straight from http://packages.debian.org and install it using dpkg |
| 00:20.14 | lapsusbrutus | why should I mount /dev/pts to my chroot dir? |
| 00:20.18 | lapsusbrutus | noobing around with chroot and debootstrapper |
| 00:20.26 | jelly-home | Arrowmaster: I just went there and suggested it. <g> |
| 00:20.28 | Cusipzzz | jelly-home: i tried that, it failed |
| 00:20.44 | jelly-home | Cusipzzz: how did it fail? |
| 00:21.20 | Cusipzzz | maybe i grabbed wrong file, but did not overwrite existing |
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| 00:21.42 | jelly-home | no overwriting is necessary. How did it fail? |
| 00:22.34 | Cusipzzz | jelly-home: let me login and try again. |
| 00:24.08 | pielgrzym | lol, I wanted to check some nonexistend pid kill exit status and did (being root) kill 8888888888888888 and killed literally everything :/ |
| 00:24.38 | jelly-home | pielgrzym: too many 8s |
| 00:24.59 | pielgrzym | jelly-home: could you elaborate? did I just try to swipe init? |
| 00:25.07 | jelly-home | couldn't |
| 00:25.50 | abrotman | crazy 88s ? |
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| 00:26.33 | pielgrzym | abrotman: I have no vague idea. when I logged directly into the vm some stuff was still running (agettys etc), but no daemon ;D |
| 00:26.59 | jelly-home | abrotman: there's like 8+8 8s |
| 00:27.35 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:27.48 | jelly-home | and 8+8+8=24, 2+4=6, and 6 is the DEVIL'S number |
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| 00:27.51 | Cusipzzz | jelly-home: can i priv msg |
| 00:28.06 | jelly-home | no, use the channel so everyone can help |
| 00:28.26 | jelly-home | or... anyone that cares to |
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| 00:28.41 | Cusipzzz | i have all 3 filed from the packages page.. xferred them to debian box, none seem to tar or are recognized |
| 00:28.44 | Cusipzzz | files* |
| 00:29.01 | Cusipzzz | Size (in kB)MD5 checksum |
| 00:29.01 | Cusipzzz | tinyproxy_1.8.2-1.dsc1.2 kBec57e9f1691a389556e763113aba773f |
| 00:29.01 | Cusipzzz | tinyproxy_1.8.2.orig.tar.bz2198.2 kBedc8502193cfed4974d6a770da173755 |
| 00:29.01 | Cusipzzz | tinyproxy_1.8.2-1.debian.tar.bz211.3 kB07f3d45df9f03cc2362dd2eac3870d49 |
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| 00:29.12 | pielgrzym | damn, thats a lesson. never, ever, try anything with kill while being root. amen |
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| 00:29.20 | Cusipzzz | sigh |
| 00:29.35 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 00:29.35 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 00:29.44 | Cusipzzz | ya, figured that was it, lol |
| 00:30.55 | Cusipzzz | tar xjf errors out |
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| 00:33.21 | botmind | Any rumors when 6.0 to be released? |
| 00:33.22 | maplebed | anybody know if the method by which debian sets the local host name when provided with one from dhcp changed from lenny to squeeze? I'm trying to figure out why my host is not setting its own hostname correctly. (current "(none)") |
| 00:33.51 | abrotman | !tell botmind about wwsr |
| 00:33.53 | chilli0 | Anyone know where the upload and download stats are kept? |
| 00:33.57 | abrotman | botmind: there is no date set .. there never is |
| 00:34.01 | abrotman | chilli0: of what? |
| 00:34.29 | chilli0 | abrotman, Like, how much has been downloaded and how much has been uploaded |
| 00:34.46 | abrotman | chilli0: ifconfig -a ? |
| 00:35.05 | botmind | abrotman: thx for the links.. never is?!! |
| 00:35.09 | chilli0 | abrotman, Sorry, I mean in a file. From memory it's in proc somewhere |
| 00:35.30 | abrotman | botmind: Debian currently does not set a release date .. it releases when goals are met and RC bugs reach 0 |
| 00:35.35 | maplebed | (fwiw, I see 'option host-name "my-hostname";' in the dhcp leases file in /var/lib/) |
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| 00:36.14 | abrotman | chilli0: /proc/net/dev ? |
| 00:36.16 | maplebed | abrotman: do you know what happened with the initiative (some time last year?) to put debian on a timed release schedule? |
| 00:36.41 | abrotman | maplebed: it was a timed freeze schedule .. and currently abandoned last i knew |
| 00:36.49 | chilli0 | abrotman, Thanks :) |
| 00:37.03 | maplebed | too bad. a nice idea, that. |
| 00:37.32 | abrotman | no, it's not |
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| 00:37.46 | botmind | abrotman: I see.. but they could estimate the date based on the previous experience on the same procedure.. well anyways it says "First half of 2011" |
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| 00:38.00 | dvs | half? |
| 00:38.18 | dvs | not even first quarter? |
| 00:38.26 | abrotman | botmind: yes, that's a valid guess, there are not many RC bugs left, under 50 now I believe .. one could make a reasonable guess for it to be released before the end of February, if not sooner |
| 00:38.36 | dvs | 82 |
| 00:38.40 | abrotman | !rc bugs |
| 00:38.40 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=squeeze&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php . See also <rc-alert>. |
| 00:38.46 | abrotman | check the udd.debian.org link |
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| 00:39.13 | abrotman | (i think that's the best reference there, not 100% sure) |
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| 00:41.25 | Cusipzzz | jelly-home: configure: error: Test for asciidoc failed. See the file 'INSTALL' for help. |
| 00:41.34 | lapsusbrutus | I have heard a lot of great things about the bsd jails.. is linux & chroot inferior or maybe works in a different way? |
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| 00:42.03 | jelly-home | Cusipzzz: that doesn't sounds like an error you'd get installing a binary package. |
| 00:42.20 | botmind | abrotman: this shows only 23.. ok I see, thanks again for the comprehensive information |
| 00:42.26 | abrotman | botmind: have a nice day |
| 00:42.40 | Cusipzzz | jelly-home: it's the configure from the tar package, i don't see a .deb |
| 00:43.24 | jelly-home | Cusipzzz: ah, so you didn't actually try using the .deb package? |
| 00:43.45 | Cusipzzz | jelly-home: where is the deb? didn't see it on the packages page |
| 00:44.26 | jelly-home | Cusipzzz: hmm... http://packages.debian.org/tinyproxy click squeeze. click your architecture. |
| 00:45.15 | Cusipzzz | jely-home: thx |
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| 00:56.45 | CaT[t1] | hey. how do I get 70-persistent-cd.rules re-created? |
| 00:57.05 | dvs | CaT[t1]: reboot? |
| 00:57.10 | CaT[t1] | nope |
| 00:57.17 | CaT[t1] | tried already |
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| 01:02.39 | Spec | Hi! I have a quick question.... from README.Debian.gz (bind9), "Zones subject to automatic updates via DHCP should be stored in /var/lib/bind, and specified with full pathnames." |
| 01:02.56 | Spec | Why are dynamic zones stored in /var/lib/bind and not /var/cache/bind? (where all secondary zones are stored, anyways) |
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| 01:05.54 | karlpinc | Spec: See the <fhs>. /var/cache should be able to be cleared without causing any harm. |
| 01:06.37 | Spec | Okay, that makes sense. But why lib? :p |
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| 01:06.50 | karlpinc | Spec: See the fhs. |
| 01:06.53 | karlpinc | !fhs |
| 01:06.54 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier". |
| 01:06.54 | jelly-home | Spec: that's the generic place for per-service data |
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| 01:07.33 | jelly-home | arguably the secondary zone stuff shouldn't be under /var/cache either, since removing those _does_ equal loss of functionality |
| 01:07.56 | karlpinc | jelly-home: Perhaps bind is then clever enough to request a zone update? |
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| 01:08.16 | Spec | Yeah, I would think bind would do an axfr? |
| 01:08.20 | jelly-home | perhaps the primary server is unavailable |
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| 01:08.30 | Spec | an excellent scenario to avoid! |
| 01:08.31 | Spec | :) |
| 01:08.38 | Spec | Guess it makes sense --> "State information. Persistent data modified by programs as they run, e.g., databases, packaging system metadata, etc." |
| 01:08.53 | Spec | but then....secondary information should be in /var/lib too =P |
| 01:09.02 | jelly-home | that's my point |
| 01:09.10 | Spec | I would agree with that. |
| 01:09.31 | jelly-home | I don't use bind anyway, and debian maintainers oft go overboard with the FHS compliance |
| 01:10.12 | jelly-home | wait, I'm lying, I still have a couple bind instances I have to get rid of, sorry |
| 01:10.13 | karlpinc | jelly-home: You could argue that cache is not cleared normally. And that when it is that the primary should be available. And that when it's then not that it's a legitimate error condition. Whatever. |
| 01:10.23 | karlpinc | jelly-home: You use? |
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| 01:10.31 | jelly-home | djbdns |
| 01:12.01 | karlpinc | In any case cache can't be cleared because apt is stupid and expects to see a directory hierarchy in its part of the tree. Or so I recall. |
| 01:12.45 | jelly-home | but the _files_ may be cleared |
| 01:12.48 | Spec | karlpinc: it's true. |
| 01:12.57 | Spec | directories can't be cleared, but files can be. |
| 01:13.23 | jelly-home | st'w pointed me to the part of the policy that was pretty specific about that |
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| 01:13.35 | Spec | well, i read the obligatory documentation, time to mess stuff up. thanks for clarifying it. |
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| 01:14.27 | chipotle | hi, i am switching back to linux after 5 years on OS X... i use debian lenny for servers, but i want something current for regular use laptops... is there any debian flavors that fit the bill (i don't want to run sid/squeeze because i'm afraid of things breaking... but lenny's software will be too old) |
| 01:14.29 | karlpinc | Spec: I see. (That's stupid.) |
| 01:14.31 | chipotle | and i don't want *ubuntu |
| 01:14.40 | Spec | karlpinc: what? |
| 01:14.47 | karlpinc | !tell chipotle about overview |
| 01:15.05 | karlpinc | Spec: That you can't remove directories. |
| 01:15.19 | jelly-home | annoying, perhaps, but documented ;-) |
| 01:15.24 | Spec | karlpinc: oh |
| 01:15.35 | chipotle | karlpinc: i don't want to break lenny again my changes sources.list in etc/apt and using sid's repos... |
| 01:15.44 | Spec | karlpinc: i backed up debian to an ISO once and was like, "cache, we don't need to backup CACHE", and then apt failed without the directory....that's how i learned ;) |
| 01:15.52 | dvs | chipotle: squeeze is about to be released soon so why not? |
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| 01:16.01 | chipotle | dvs: when? |
| 01:16.19 | jelly-home | !rsn |
| 01:16.19 | dpkg | [rsn] Real Soon Now (see <wir> and <siyh>), or Robust Security Network: the Wi-Fi Alliance's full 802.11i implementation (aka WPA2, see <wpa>). |
| 01:16.38 | dvs | chipotle: they say the first half of 2011 but I'd give it a couple of weeks. |
| 01:16.44 | karlpinc | chipotle: Mixing releases breaks things. |
| 01:16.57 | chipotle | karlpinc: i know, that's what i don't want to do |
| 01:16.58 | karlpinc | !tell chipotle about guess the release date |
| 01:17.02 | chipotle | dvs: do you use it now? |
| 01:17.06 | dvs | yes |
| 01:17.18 | karlpinc | chipotle: Read the DebianSoftware wiki page. There's supported repos with newer stuff. |
| 01:17.30 | karlpinc | chipotle: Or /msg dpkg for the factoids. |
| 01:18.22 | chipotle | karlpinc: i'm reading it now but e.g. under "Non-Free Software (e.g. Adobe's Flash) it says to change etc/apt/sources.list file - won't that mix releases? |
| 01:21.13 | Cusipzzz | jelly-home: well it installed. something is screwy.. not logging anymore, but processes running, not reading from config file. no idea what it is doing, haha |
| 01:22.27 | karlpinc | chipotle: No. That's how you add non-free software (or newer software from backports, etc.). |
| 01:22.58 | karlpinc | !tell chipotle about non-free sources |
| 01:23.43 | chipotle | karlpinc: aren't backports considered "bad" because they aren't official and can be unsecure? |
| 01:24.44 | dvs | chipotle: backports are now official |
| 01:25.17 | chipotle | ah, and backports are how you get newer software when using debian lenny? |
| 01:25.28 | chipotle | is there a purpose for backports when you use squeeze? |
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| 01:26.13 | dvs | chipotle: no, not right now. |
| 01:26.42 | chipotle | dvs: so backports is solely for lenny users to get newer software? |
| 01:26.48 | karlpinc | !tell chipotle about bdo |
| 01:26.49 | chipotle | are there any disadvantages of backports? |
| 01:26.55 | karlpinc | !tel chipotle about volatile |
| 01:27.03 | karlpinc | !tell chipotle about bdo |
| 01:27.05 | dvs | chipotle: backports is solely for stable, which is currently lenny |
| 01:27.41 | chipotle | dvs: okay. are there any disadvantages to backports? seems like that's the "best" way to get current software on "stable"? |
| 01:27.48 | karlpinc | chipotle: A disadvantage is that they are not supported by the regular debian security team. (On the other hand I just noticed that one security update came out first and then (hours later) for stable.) |
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| 01:28.54 | knightsilver | pardon me.... if i am setting kernel options for ip chains for some unknown reason, and it has an option for ' icuucme' or something phonetically similar... how do i go about learning what the heck that does? |
| 01:29.24 | knightsilver | and someone said ipchains got replaced? |
| 01:29.53 | chipotle | ah, okay |
| 01:30.29 | dvs | !iptables |
| 01:30.30 | dpkg | [iptables] The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter. Ask me about <netfilter docs>. For a proper Debian-way of setting up iptables, see http://wiki.debian.org/iptables . http://netfilter.org/ #netfilter on irc.freenode.net. See also <lartc>, <masq>. |
| 01:31.36 | knightsilver | dvs thanks! |
| 01:31.39 | knightsilver | !ipchains |
| 01:31.39 | dpkg | ipchains is probably a rewrite of the Linux IPv4 firewalling code (which was mainly borrowed from BSD) and a rewrite of ipfwadm, which was a rewrite of BSD's ipfw, I believe. It is required to administer the IP packet filters in Linux kernel versions 2.1.102 and above. or Which is surpassed in kernel 2.3 (and 2.4 when released) by netfilter, which you can get and compile at netfilter.kernelnotes.org, or a regular in the channel |
| 01:31.49 | knightsilver | ah. |
| 01:31.56 | dvs | np |
| 01:31.56 | karlpinc | knightsilver: I seem to recall that icuucme is some sort of protocol. You could try wikipedia or google. |
| 01:32.04 | knightsilver | a protocol. ok |
| 01:32.09 | knightsilver | karlpinc thanks also |
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| 01:32.22 | chipotle | does backports cover all software, or are some notably missing? |
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| 01:32.56 | knightsilver | karlpinc google results in some forums guys username |
| 01:33.09 | dvs | chipotle: not all. I don't know what the criteria is. |
| 01:33.50 | karlpinc | chipotle: What's missing is what's hard to backport to use with existing libraries etc. The biggest missing piece is Xorg. |
| 01:34.12 | abrotman | dvs: if you feel like doing it .. roughly |
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| 01:34.28 | karlpinc | chipotle: Other stuff is missing, say maybe kde4 dunno, if it requires new libraries (or lots of them) that are not themselves backported. |
| 01:34.29 | dvs | is not that motivated |
| 01:34.35 | abrotman | lots of stuff isn't there |
| 01:34.40 | sako | hey guys, i am curious... can I get debian squeeze from now? |
| 01:34.41 | chipotle | karlpinc: so what is the best way to get Xorg (and its dependencies to use xfce4)? |
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| 01:34.51 | dvs | sako: sure |
| 01:34.54 | abrotman | chipotle: in which version of debian ? |
| 01:34.57 | sako | only thing holding me back from switching from ubuntu->debian on my server is debian has really old packages (ex. python) |
| 01:35.02 | karlpinc | chipotle: You use the lenny version until squeeze becomes stable. |
| 01:35.02 | chipotle | abrotman: lenny |
| 01:35.13 | abrotman | sako: squeeze is not released yet, still has no true security support |
| 01:35.19 | karlpinc | chipotle: You could check to see what's on backports. |
| 01:35.26 | abrotman | chipotle: or you upgrade the box to squeeze .. your call |
| 01:35.30 | dvs | sako: I wouldn't use it for a server though. |
| 01:35.43 | chipotle | abrotman: i am ditching OS X after ~5 years... coming back to linux for desktop uses :) |
| 01:35.43 | benmanns | I have a couple Debian 5.03 boxes that I cannot connect to the internet, but I want to run security updates on. Is there any way I can download a disk with security packages and install them from the disk? |
| 01:35.44 | sako | abrotman: i understand that, however, I hear from sys admin friends that debian squeeze right now is still more secure than Ubuntu 10,04 LTS |
| 01:35.57 | sako | dunno how much of that is fanboism |
| 01:36.13 | abrotman | sako: is it external or internal ? |
| 01:36.38 | abrotman | benmanns: the DSAs have the URLs .. you can just download them |
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| 01:36.58 | sako | abrotman: it's external but very low priority |
| 01:37.15 | abrotman | it's your call, we can't stop you |
| 01:37.22 | sako | abrotman: uptime is not a major issue |
| 01:37.32 | abrotman | is compromise a mjaor issue? |
| 01:37.34 | sako | if it goes down so be it.. its just a personal little blog/sandbox site |
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| 01:38.05 | sako | well here's the thing, anyone know what version of python squeeze will have? |
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| 01:38.19 | abrotman | sako: /usr/bin/python will point to 2.6 |
| 01:38.20 | sako | i hear things like python are a pain in the but as you can't really backport them cleanly |
| 01:38.29 | sako | nice |
| 01:38.36 | abrotman | there is a python3, but you'll have to point your scripts at it if that's what oyu want |
| 01:38.46 | sako | no 2.6 will do.. |
| 01:38.50 | sako | i can't do with 2.4 :) |
| 01:39.12 | sako | abrotman: question, how do you normally deal with something liek that.. say you need python 2.6 and your running lenny for exmaple |
| 01:39.28 | sako | what's the cleanest solution? compile in /usr/local/bin? |
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| 01:39.53 | abrotman | sako: you probably wouldn't want to .. it might make a mess |
| 01:40.36 | dvs | gets out the mop |
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| 01:43.18 | karlpinc | benmanns: Sure. |
| 01:43.54 | karlpinc | benmanns: There's dvds and so forth that have been updated. But you don't get anything newer than 5.0.7. |
| 01:44.19 | karlpinc | benmanns: It could be sane to put a mirror on a usb drive and use that. YMMV. |
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| 01:45.46 | doki_pen | is there an option with apt-get install to not start the service after install? |
| 01:46.12 | sako | abrotman: that's not an option though :/ you can't tell the client I won't run your django app python 2.6 is going to make a mess ;) |
| 01:46.29 | sako | i guess debians not for me.. |
| 01:46.50 | karlpinc | sako: You could make your own deb. Or your own backport. |
| 01:46.57 | karlpinc | !tell sako about ssb |
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| 01:46.59 | abrotman | sako: you can do it .. i'm just telling you that it will probably make a mess .. don't let me stop you .. just don |
| 01:47.05 | abrotman | sako: you can do it .. i'm just telling you that it will probably make a mess .. don't let me stop you .. just don't override /usr/bin/python |
| 01:47.10 | chilli0 | Hello, How can I magicly kill any program on a port? |
| 01:47.11 | sako | right |
| 01:47.22 | sako | thats why i was asking how do you make a backport and not override /usr/bin/python |
| 01:47.29 | sako | do you do /usr/local/bin/python? |
| 01:47.36 | karlpinc | chilli0: Use netstat to tell what program is using the port and kill to kill it. |
| 01:48.23 | abrotman | sako: that's one .. but if you start overwriting stuff in /usr/lib/, it may freak out |
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| 01:48.37 | chilli0 | karlpinc, netstat | grep 80 gives me no output |
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| 01:50.52 | benmanns | abrotman, karlpinc: unfortunately, I don't have the disks to download all 30 cds for the packages. Is there a way I can get only security-related ones? |
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| 01:52.33 | doki_pen | so, no one knows a way to apt-get install without starting the service? |
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| 01:58.35 | man_in_ltop | waves |
| 01:58.43 | man_in_ltop | anyone know what the fastest reliable pdf reader is? |
| 01:59.09 | man_in_ltop | mupdf seems to be really fast, but it looks like it doesn't like images with transparencies or something like that |
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| 02:01.15 | abrotman | benmanns: i told you? |
| 02:01.23 | abrotman | benmanns: also the update CD will help you |
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| 02:39.21 | maplebed | I have what I think is a bug. Is it bad form to email the maintainer to verify before submitting? or should I just submit and let them close the bug if they choose? |
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| 02:40.11 | abrotman | maplebed: the latter .. the maintainer will tell you if you're a moron :) |
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| 02:40.27 | maplebed | k. tnx. |
| 02:40.48 | maplebed | (and finally, it'll be settled! I've always wanted to know if I was a moron.) |
| 02:41.00 | abrotman | only one person's opinion :) |
| 02:41.21 | maplebed | but he's a Maintainer! Not just some ordinary schmoe off the street. |
| 02:41.28 | maplebed | that must count for more, right? |
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| 02:41.35 | maplebed | :D |
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| 02:45.08 | max_sharpe | yay my network device is set up |
| 02:45.10 | max_sharpe | woohoo |
| 02:46.07 | dvs | messes up the network |
| 02:46.24 | max_sharpe | no. |
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| 02:50.44 | abrotman | do it again! |
| 02:51.29 | dvs | adds IIS to the network |
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| 03:03.54 | maplebed | well, bug report sent. here's hoping I'm not a moron. |
| 03:03.56 | maplebed | :) |
| 03:04.32 | abrotman | you wouldn't be the first |
| 03:04.41 | maplebed | heh... I'm sure. |
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| 03:12.49 | holoseen | should the functionality of removing software work in squeeze Software center? I can get it to install but not install |
| 03:15.20 | WormFood | how do I get samba to follow symlinks? I've googled, and nothing I've found works. |
| 03:15.38 | holoseen | sorry, should the functionality of removing software work in squeeze Software center? I can get it to install but not UNINSTALL |
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| 03:16.02 | un214 | apt-get remove?? |
| 03:16.26 | holoseen | un214, I know, just curious about software center. I am new to debian. |
| 03:16.43 | ludens | i changed from xfce to scrotwm and its great, but now both gtk themes and fonts are really ugly. how can i change that? |
| 03:17.42 | holoseen | un214, it's odd. googling the uninstall issue really failed to produced helpful results. |
| 03:18.00 | un214 | maybe nobody uses it or something |
| 03:18.15 | holoseen | un214, seriously? |
| 03:18.23 | un214 | I don't know. |
| 03:18.31 | un214 | I prefer only console apps with privs |
| 03:18.39 | jordanm | holoseen: its new, and yes, not many use it |
| 03:18.52 | holoseen | un214, no biggie I will not pursue it. |
| 03:18.59 | holoseen | jordanm, thanks. |
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| 03:20.32 | max_sharpe | Jams got ssh running and shutdown my laptop remotely sweetnet. |
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| 03:28.45 | WormFood | did debian do something to samba to break it's ability to follow symlinks? |
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| 03:29.34 | WormFood | everything on the internet I can find about making samba follow symlinks points me to the same options, that do not fuckin' work on debian, or so it appears not to work...in either case, the result is the same, it does not work, with no known way to make it work |
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| 03:32.36 | max_sharpe | is still new to debian.but arent symlinks akin to shortcuts but more powerful/better? |
| 03:34.55 | simonrvn | symbolic link, man ln. it's a unix feature, not just debian. |
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| 03:35.09 | max_sharpe | that i know. |
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| 03:35.32 | max_sharpe | but the debian issue with symlinks i didnt |
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| 03:36.43 | simonrvn | samba is rather a large hole on its own |
| 03:36.51 | max_sharpe | Yeah. |
| 03:37.12 | simonrvn | i mean: 'PITA' there |
| 03:37.26 | max_sharpe | haha.a |
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| 03:39.45 | WormFood | max_sharpe, it is more like windows shortcuts are a castrated bastardization of symbolic links |
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| 03:40.15 | max_sharpe | Well yeah |
| 03:40.31 | WormFood | but symbolic links no not appear to work with debian and samba, unless I'm doing something else wrong |
| 03:40.33 | max_sharpe | for windows a shortcut is a good idea. |
| 03:40.44 | un214 | I get the idea windows shortcuts are for desktop and start menu |
| 03:40.56 | max_sharpe | But once you realize that symlinks exist they are mear echo to what they should be. |
| 03:41.04 | WormFood | if it was such a good idea, then why do they support something more akin to a real symbolic/hard link now? |
| 03:41.07 | max_sharpe | they can be anywhere. |
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| 03:55.28 | gondoi | can someone help me out with this? |
| 03:55.30 | gondoi | http://serverfault.com/questions/221871/how-do-i-check-to-see-if-an-apt-lock-file-is-locked |
| 03:56.21 | abrotman | gondoi: fuser? lsof? |
| 03:56.29 | zz5-ux | WormFood, i'm not sure if you have your answer yet, but some filesystems will not do symbolic links, you can put ext2 on win but formatting it on win is troublesome, also.. windows will not do true case sensitivity in the same directory only case preservation (even with the appropriate reg values activated), if you are backing up over cifs/samba then i recommend incremental/differential tar files so windows can't touch real files & ruin everything. |
| 03:56.42 | un214 | the apt lock exists as a file on disk |
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| 03:57.00 | gondoi | does apt use fuser? |
| 03:57.27 | un214 | I believe the lock is enforced by O_EXCL or link |
| 03:57.36 | gondoi | i thought about doing the lsof, but that may take too long to parse open files |
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| 03:57.51 | gondoi | i'm using ruby |
| 03:58.07 | gondoi | i can open the file... and even set a flock while apt has it open |
| 03:58.18 | un214 | of course you can |
| 03:58.22 | gondoi | but if i run apt again with the file open, apt says it can't open it |
| 03:58.26 | un214 | the mere existance of the file is the lock |
| 03:58.30 | gondoi | no |
| 03:58.35 | gondoi | the lock is _always_ there |
| 03:58.42 | gondoi | the file that is |
| 03:59.13 | gondoi | # file /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
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| 04:00.18 | gondoi | i've been working on this for a while now.. i may just have to bust out the src |
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| 04:05.43 | stew | gondoi: or bust out the strace |
| 04:05.52 | stew | fcntl(3, F_SETLK, {type=F_WRLCK, whence=SEEK_SET, start=0, len=0}) = 0 |
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| 04:05.58 | gondoi | stew: yeah did that already |
| 04:06.13 | gondoi | hmm |
| 04:06.17 | gondoi | that from your apt-get run |
| 04:06.18 | gondoi | ? |
| 04:06.26 | stew | aptitude update |
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| 04:07.08 | un214 | pro tip: the stack* sites are windows-heavy |
| 04:07.12 | un214 | especially serverfault |
| 04:07.28 | gondoi | :-( |
| 04:07.30 | gondoi | k |
| 04:07.31 | gondoi | thanks |
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| 04:09.12 | gondoi | so maybe it was the fnctl i was missing.. i was looking for a flock |
| 04:09.25 | gondoi | so how is that different from a flock? |
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| 04:10.13 | WormFood | zz5-ux, I didn't find a solution, I had to copy the file to a different directory to share them with the windows machine. I just need all the files read-only, I don't want to backup winblows machines or any stuff like that. |
| 04:10.25 | un214 | there are two independent file locking APIs |
| 04:10.28 | un214 | they don't mix |
| 04:10.36 | gondoi | stew: awww yeah.. i think this is what I need |
| 04:10.37 | gondoi | http://ruby-doc.org/stdlib-1.8.7/libdoc/fcntl/rdoc/index.html |
| 04:10.44 | un214 | old BSD vs. AT&T thing |
| 04:11.22 | gondoi | stew: thanks for the help, i'll dig into this |
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| 04:14.29 | LoneShadow | Hi, I created a local deb mirror using dpkg-scanpackages. To test this repository, I uninstalled xorg/xfce4. When I try to reinstall it complains about dependency and fails to Install |
| 04:15.02 | stew | LoneShadow: /msg dpkg bat |
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| 04:20.47 | LoneShadow | stew: Never mind, after installing xorg again using ftp.us.debian.org. I could install xfce4 from local repository. I think I might have messed up the uninstall of xorg previously. Thanks anyway |
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| 04:23.17 | nutron | does anyone know if I can do direct bonds from one server to another sans switch for 802.3ad? |
| 04:23.50 | un214 | IP tunneling perhaps |
| 04:24.06 | nutron | I mean bonding.. link aggregation |
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| 04:32.18 | c0dewiz | hi |
| 04:40.22 | karlpinc | nutron: With crossover cables if the nics don't support auto-detection. |
| 04:43.19 | nutron | karlpinc: hmm, set the correct mode on either end, and the second link becomes a slave... meh |
| 04:45.05 | stew | nutron: without a switch is ifenslave not going to work, i guess? |
| 04:45.20 | stew | if it were earlier, i'd try to figure that out myself :) |
| 04:46.09 | nutron | stew: are you asking if ifenslave would work or are yo utelling me? :) |
| 04:46.44 | stew | nutron: i'm asking if your "sans switch" is somehow an indication of "so therefore ifenslave wouldn't work" |
| 04:46.58 | stew | nutron: do you know what I mean by ifenslave? |
| 04:47.01 | rgr_ | mplayer plugin for google chrome on debian? Need to play asx streams. Doesnt seem to be an mplayerplugin package. and mplayer installed doesnt appear to provide the plugin. |
| 04:47.09 | rgr_ | (squeeze) |
| 04:47.15 | nutron | stew: yep |
| 04:47.37 | nutron | I know what you mean.. I think I'm getting crufty/crusty ... my eyes hurt. |
| 04:48.01 | stew | (bonding.txt is the google term) |
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| 04:48.34 | stew | arp is the big question |
| 04:49.16 | stew | but perhaps not if you are willing to say there will never be a failure |
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| 04:50.11 | stew | actually arp doesn't matter if there isn't a switch? sending side is always going to just pick an interface and send it |
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| 04:51.17 | stew | "Two linux machines connected via crossover cables can take advantage of link aggregation" |
| 04:51.30 | nutron | is that in bonding.txt? |
| 04:51.41 | stew | no, http://linux-ip.net/html/ether-bonding.html |
| 04:52.13 | nutron | Hmm these are straight cables, I assume intel server nics would know mdx? |
| 04:52.22 | nutron | nevermind, I know for a fact they would |
| 04:52.36 | stew | if they are gigabit they must |
| 04:52.38 | stew | no matter what |
| 04:52.44 | nutron | aye |
| 04:52.47 | nutron | they are |
| 04:53.26 | nutron | I'm thinking the interfaces config "keys" are incorrect... maybe I read the lenny howto :/ |
| 04:53.46 | stew | keys? |
| 04:54.02 | nutron | uhh configuration names |
| 04:54.06 | nutron | like bond_miimon |
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| 04:54.51 | nutron | as soon as I start bond0 the driver warns that miimon or arp_interval must be specified |
| 04:54.55 | nutron | but .. miimon is |
| 04:59.13 | nutron | hmm ok. Well all looks good if I cat /proc/net/bonding/bond0, tells me it's using LACP 802.3ad.. then .. I should expect iperf to return speeds in excess of 900mbit.. right? |
| 04:59.45 | nutron | and my dmesg has a hundred lines of bonding: bond0: doing slave updates when interface is down |
| 05:02.09 | stew | do you have link lights for both cables? |
| 05:02.15 | nutron | yep |
| 05:02.33 | stew | or can you use iptraf or similar to see that one interface is getting all the traffic? |
| 05:02.49 | nutron | hmm good idea, I'll go see if I can try that |
| 05:02.51 | k-man | is there a debian apt source for ultra fresh kernels? |
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| 05:03.31 | dvs | meh |
| 05:03.41 | CaT[t1] | he plays hard, he quits hard. |
| 05:03.50 | nutron | k-man: aptitude install kernel package; wget http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.37.tar.bz2 |
| 05:03.58 | stew | k-man: not anymore, "-archive.buildserver.net is down until further notice. Look in experimental for now" |
| 05:04.09 | k-man | thanks stew |
| 05:04.13 | stew | err, kernel-archive.buildserver.net |
| 05:04.35 | nutron | oh don't I feel like an ass, didn't even know that existed :s |
| 05:04.57 | k-man | heh |
| 05:05.10 | nutron | hmm iptraf doesn't even see bond0 |
| 05:05.12 | stew | it didn't exist for all that long |
| 05:05.16 | stew | nutron: iptraf -u |
| 05:05.28 | stew | but you are more interested in the individual interfaces, right? |
| 05:05.42 | stew | assuming that one has the traffic and the other is dead |
| 05:05.59 | stew | that is at least what I'm guessing from "doing slave updates when interface is down" |
| 05:06.08 | nutron | aye, but.. they're enslaved, iptraf doesn't see them |
| 05:06.15 | stew | ah |
| 05:06.16 | nutron | ifconfig lists them though |
| 05:06.33 | stew | and "ip link" |
| 05:06.35 | stew | ? |
| 05:06.40 | stew | as "UP"? |
| 05:06.52 | stew | (not "no carrier" or whatever) |
| 05:06.57 | nutron | yep they're listed there too |
| 05:07.02 | nutron | uhh yep UP |
| 05:07.06 | nutron | for both |
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| 05:07.52 | scratchme | Hiya all. |
| 05:09.00 | scratchme | If I create an lvm partition, copy say a binary 1gb file to it, then snapshot it. If I later recopy the same file, but the effective change at the end is only say 1MB worth, will the snapshot space needed be 1GB if I rewrote the file, or 1MB? |
| 05:09.17 | scratchme | By 1MB worth, I mean in changed blocks. |
| 05:09.20 | stew | nutron: wait, is the bond0 up? |
| 05:09.34 | stew | (in ip addr, for instance) |
| 05:10.43 | nutron | yep |
| 05:10.47 | nutron | it's up |
| 05:11.13 | stew | and you are actually moving traffic through it? |
| 05:11.59 | nutron | Yassir, iperf works great, just from the dmesg and the total traffic pumped, I'm getting the feeling that it's not a dual channel bond... just master/slave, even though it tells me its 802.3ad aggregation |
| 05:12.34 | nutron | dmesg states that: [ 193.047392] bonding: bond0: enslaving eth2 as a backup interface with a down link. |
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| 05:13.06 | nutron | next line: igb: eth2 NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex, Flow Control: RX/TX ... so it's up... seems it takes too long or .. something? |
| 05:13.25 | nutron | after that line the repeating line I mentioned before, happens about a hundred times |
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| 05:16.16 | dsdeiz | why is there like a lot of cd's in debian? |
| 05:16.48 | Bushmills | because using floppies, it would be even more |
| 05:17.36 | ajikeshi | dsdeiz, because its the complete repository |
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| 05:19.16 | dsdeiz | oh. crap so i need to download the net one right? |
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| 05:20.33 | scratchme | dsdeiz: if you're going to install just one or two machines, the net install is sufficient. |
| 05:20.48 | dsdeiz | gotcha, thanks |
| 05:21.00 | scratchme | It'll download all the packages you choose, and no more. |
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| 05:30.25 | karlpinc | dsdeiz: New to debian? See the following factoid. |
| 05:30.31 | karlpinc | !tell dsdeiz about overview |
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| 07:01.45 | doughj3 | http://pastebin.com/3jX636tt It just sits there. |
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| 07:02.12 | holoseen | doughj3, I have had apt-get hang also, but it seems to clear. |
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| 07:07.33 | doughj3 | http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?31,59207 I have the same problem as this guy |
| 07:07.42 | doughj3 | but the "ip -6 route del default" doesn't help. |
| 07:08.35 | holoseen | doughj3, has this happened before? |
| 07:08.38 | doughj3 | Ohp, yeah it does work. |
| 07:08.42 | doughj3 | brand new install, holoseen. |
| 07:08.50 | holoseen | what made it work now? |
| 07:08.55 | doughj3 | That command, ip -6 route del default |
| 07:09.06 | holoseen | odd, never had to do that. |
| 07:09.18 | holoseen | are you on lenny? |
| 07:09.18 | doughj3 | Which is weird, because I shouldn't have an ipv6 address. |
| 07:09.20 | doughj3 | I am |
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| 07:09.35 | holoseen | squeeze here and no problems |
| 07:09.41 | doughj3 | It keeps coming back though, damnit |
| 07:09.49 | doughj3 | is there a way to just disable ipv6? |
| 07:10.08 | holoseen | someone will come back on that. |
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| 07:34.41 | infinitux | How come nobodies created a builtin undo mechanism for apt? There really should be some kind of a history system that can undo a bunch of operations that could screw up a system and revert it to where it was before. |
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| 07:38.28 | infinitux | nope |
| 07:38.38 | infinitux | forgive my ignorance |
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| 08:17.48 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I have a folder with ~800 .JPGs taken by a professional camera. Some of them need rotating. Is there any tool to rotate them automatically? |
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| 08:20.07 | dsdeiz | when it says "Write them to the media, and then start the installation by booting from that.", does it mean i just copy all the files to my usb drive? |
| 08:20.19 | SPF | hid3: see imagemagick |
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| 08:24.12 | SPF | dsdeiz: depends in which context |
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| 08:24.34 | dsdeiz | found it now. i think it refers to "Preparing Files for USB Memory Stick Booting"? |
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| 08:24.57 | dsdeiz | was planning to use unetbootin earlier thou |
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| 08:25.39 | dsdeiz | but it seems it can't detect my ethernet card :/ |
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| 08:28.32 | hid3 | Strange. I used jhead utility with args '-autorot *.jpg'. It showed that some images were modified but in fact they're the same orientation as before |
| 08:28.48 | hid3 | and imagemagic can't do that |
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| 08:37.23 | SPF | hid3: maybe you need to specify in which direction you want to rotate, maybe the extra angle info is missing from the images |
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| 08:39.26 | hid3 | SPF: not sure, but I guess in case of missing info jhead would give error, wouldn't it? |
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| 08:41.10 | hid3 | What is even more strange, all those images are in right direction when viewing from a fresh Windows Server 2003 machine (no tools installed, etc) |
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| 08:43.07 | SPF | hid3: hmm, yea, I know the problem. I usually rotate the pictures manually |
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| 08:43.34 | hid3 | No way I'll spend the whole day rotating this many pictures manually |
| 08:43.39 | hid3 | It's 21st century |
| 08:44.12 | krion | hi |
| 08:44.40 | krion | i'm looking for fellas with uptodate squeeze, and xen dom0 64 bits, with server hosted at hetzner company |
| 08:44.42 | Flash__ | hid3, yeah, i respect that - but tbh, I'd probably view them over samba to a windows xp box, multi-select those that need doing, then right-click and rotate all at once. |
| 08:45.14 | Flash__ | just to get a one-off job done. if it's going to happen, then yeah, worth investing time for a better system |
| 08:45.29 | Flash__ | er, happen + lots |
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| 08:45.53 | acs | hi |
| 08:46.28 | acs | is there to extract from a .tar archive a subdirectory into the current directory ? |
| 08:46.31 | hid3 | Flash__: what is the *most* strange, that they're in the right direction when viewed from a Windows box! |
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| 08:47.16 | Flash__ | r, saw that. I bet there is something that's auto-rotating them. Shame it's not saving them back out again :) |
| 08:47.18 | acs | for example, if the .tar archive has the directory /xxx/yyy/zzz, I wish to extract the directory ./zzz into the current dir. how can I do that ? |
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| 08:57.26 | lansink | Does anyone know how the default deb initrd is created to probe (load) all usb disks? |
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| 09:01.15 | Flash__ | acs, perhaps something like: " tar -zxf filename.tgz /xxx/yyy/zzz/* . " but i haven't tested that |
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| 09:13.26 | acs | Flash__: thanks. but it does not work :) |
| 09:13.42 | Flash__ | ah well, worth a try. :) |
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| 09:22.02 | armetiz | Hi there |
| 09:22.21 | armetiz | I had an Apache trouble |
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| 09:23.16 | armetiz | Apache opened new ocnnection on a MySQL server, but I don't know if the Apache didn't send the SQL request to MySQL or if Apache didn't clos MySQL connection.. |
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| 09:23.32 | armetiz | But MySQL throwed a Too many connection error.. |
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| 09:23.48 | armetiz | netstat -an show me many ESTABLISH connection (more than 100) |
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| 09:23.59 | armetiz | I don't know where I have to look for on log.. |
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| 09:24.14 | armetiz | I have 2 WWW servers, and just one of both had this trouble... |
| 09:24.27 | armetiz | I have restart apache on the troubled server.. And now evry things work fine |
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| 09:26.37 | epeen | how do i raise the resolution of a console ? |
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| 09:33.14 | aladds | I was pointed to this guide: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/schroot.txt by someone yesterday (i forget where) and I've got sid in an schroot under /sid, however it's moaning about locale settings, what can I do about that? |
| 09:33.29 | aladds | it falls back to "C" |
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| 09:33.32 | aladds | so it works |
| 09:34.04 | epeen | how do i change the resolution of a console ? |
| 09:34.42 | mbruins | epeen: typing 'xrandr' might help |
| 09:35.02 | epeen | mbruins: isn't that a visual thing ? |
| 09:35.10 | epeen | (GUI) |
| 09:35.43 | aladds | i thought you had to pass a vga=xxx paramater to your kernel to change the console resolution |
| 09:35.54 | aladds | but I've not needed to do it for ages |
| 09:36.22 | epeen | i'd like to raise the resolution just a bit. |
| 09:37.27 | aladds | epeen: x86 pc? grub? http://pierre.baudu.in/other/grub.vga.modes.html |
| 09:37.42 | epeen | nice... |
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| 09:37.50 | epeen | a link i can't CLICK |
| 09:38.01 | aladds | huh? |
| 09:38.16 | epeen | i'm in a console not a terminal. |
| 09:38.19 | epeen | learn the difference., |
| 09:39.12 | aladds | ok, install screen, so you can use multiple programs at once; then install lynx or links so you can view web pages |
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| 09:40.15 | epeen | i'm getting the feeling this fella doesn't know what a console is. |
| 09:40.47 | lansink | epeen: quite rude "learn the difference" |
| 09:41.03 | epeen | lansink: he's told me to install a screen. |
| 09:41.04 | lansink | lol |
| 09:41.07 | lansink | ahh wasnt you who asked it |
| 09:41.09 | aladds | no |
| 09:41.14 | lansink | thought you asked it first :) sorry |
| 09:41.15 | aladds | i said install "screen" |
| 09:41.15 | lansink | my bad |
| 09:41.36 | epeen | had i said 'headless console', maybe i'd need to install a screen. |
| 09:41.55 | aladds | screen is an application which lets you run multiple programs at once in a console |
| 09:41.58 | lansink | oh it is you :) |
| 09:42.11 | aladds | so you can load up a web page whilst still having irc open |
| 09:42.54 | lansink | epeen: aye as aladds said, use screen and no need to be rude towards people who help you |
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| 09:44.12 | epeen | capitalize names or something, i can't know every package in the repos. >_>; |
| 09:45.01 | epeen | i'm also coming down from buzzing. |
| 09:45.07 | epeen | 's head hurts a bit. |
| 09:45.19 | orzel | hi. I can see that my files /var/log/mails.{log,info,warn} are rotated. Very often (almost every day, size is few 100k's), and only 5 are kept. Which absolutely not what is configured in /etc/logrotate.{conf,d} |
| 09:45.35 | orzel | is there something else that rotate log files in debian ? any idea what is responsible for this / |
| 09:45.37 | orzel | ? |
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| 09:46.39 | epeen | aladds: how's this 'screen' program work? alt+tab ? |
| 09:46.47 | aladds | man screen |
| 09:47.01 | aladds | ctrl-a shows some options |
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| 09:47.42 | aladds | remember to ctrl-a ctrl-d to "detatch" in order to leave programs running when you logoit |
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| 09:47.57 | aladds | and use "screen -r" to reattach next time you log in |
| 09:48.34 | epeen | paste that link again ? |
| 09:48.37 | aladds | http://pierre.baudu.in/other/grub.vga.modes.html |
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| 09:50.23 | epeen | hmmm.... |
| 09:50.26 | Flash__ | aladds, itym, CTRL+a, d |
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| 09:50.53 | asd | how do i make more than one bond interface? |
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| 09:50.59 | aladds | Flash__, yeah that sounds right. I've not needed to use it for a while (-: |
| 09:51.06 | Flash__ | :) |
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| 09:53.17 | epeen | still doesn't know how to copypaste in weechat |
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| 09:57.17 | rgr_ | mplayer plugin for google chrome on debian? Need to play asx streams. Doesnt seem to be an mplayerplugin package. and mplayer installed doesnt appear to provide the plugin. |
| 09:57.23 | rgr_ | (squeeze) |
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| 10:04.39 | epeen | nyaa~ |
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| 10:07.57 | epeen | now to figure out what package perl needs in order to be used. |
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| 10:13.36 | Ramattack | Hi all!! |
| 10:13.38 | Ramattack | is it possible to fix gkrellm to gnome desktop?? I explain.... to always be in the same place of the desktop even if you hit minimize all windows |
| 10:13.49 | Ramattack | I have transparent plugin so I consider it as part of the wallpaper almost... |
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| 10:17.13 | rgr_ | gkrellm does exactly that afaik. a 2s google helps. |
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| 10:20.52 | pippz | hello, i made a script and i used mkfs.ext2. My main problem is the script wait for a "yes" from me, because of the mkfs.ext2, i tried to use -q option, with no luck, he still ask me "/dev/blablabla is entire device, not just one partition, proceed anyway? (y/n)" |
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| 10:21.12 | pippz | how to automatically proceed? |
| 10:21.15 | pippz | thanks |
| 10:21.54 | Internat | doesnt mkfs.ext2 have a -f option? |
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| 10:22.16 | Internat | sorry -F |
| 10:22.37 | pippz | yes, its the correct option? because reading the man page -F is used for other stuffs |
| 10:22.48 | Internat | are you getting -f and -F confused? |
| 10:23.03 | Internat | -F Force mke2fs to create a filesystem, even if the specified |
| 10:23.03 | Internat | device is not a partition on a block special device, or if other |
| 10:23.03 | Internat | parameters do not make sense. |
| 10:23.11 | pippz | you are correct Internat |
| 10:23.15 | pippz | excuse me |
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| 10:23.24 | Internat | all good :) |
| 10:23.31 | Internat | case sensitivey can be a nightmare sometimes |
| 10:23.48 | pippz | yes :( |
| 10:24.02 | pippz | thanks again Internat ! |
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| 10:26.28 | Internat | np |
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| 10:31.06 | eex | anyone mind helping me getting flash to work with debian lenny amd64? |
| 10:31.48 | [Sanyi] | hey |
| 10:31.49 | [Sanyi] | ! |
| 10:31.50 | [Sanyi] | :) |
| 10:32.08 | [Sanyi] | eex: download flash sid |
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| 10:32.17 | [Sanyi] | copy to your pendrive, and have fun :) |
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| 10:32.37 | eex | and it will work for lenny? |
| 10:32.57 | [Sanyi] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:33.04 | eex | ok, thanks |
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| 10:36.52 | eex | lol |
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| 10:39.24 | eex | how can i update my libgtk from 2.12 to 2.14? |
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| 11:02.00 | eex | so yeah nothing works |
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| 11:08.32 | pielgrzym | hi. I have a dir with say chmod 750, owned by usr:usr (user:group). Now I want a subdirectory inside that dir to be visible to other users. If I make a symlink (as root/this usr) others who can't access the parent won't be able to access symlink to dir inside :/ is there any way to allow them to access internal dir symlink? |
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| 11:21.14 | stew | pielgrzym: if you make the directory 751 then users could get at stuff inside if they already know the name of whatever is inside (they couldn't get a directory listing to find out the name, but they can get to if if they know the name) |
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| 11:22.57 | pielgrzym | stew: like /home/user has 751 and /home/user/dir has o=rx right? |
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| 11:27.41 | pielgrzym | stew: this idea worked :) thanks! |
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| 11:44.08 | Guest65496 | i have one bond with two slave interfaces and trying to ping but it does not work... my two pc:s are direct connected with ech other and i can ping when i only use eth4 on both pc:s |
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| 11:44.40 | Guest65496 | maybe something are wrong with my route |
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| 11:51.37 | Guest65496 | my arp table show 172.30.16.42 (incomplete) bond1 |
| 11:52.00 | hagisbasheruk | why doesnt Network Manger work correctly with my broadcom wifi , i got to do wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan0 -B -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf and dhclent in console , dmesg gives wlan0: authentication frame received from c0:3f:0e:d8:ee:e2, but not in authenticate state - ignored |
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| 11:53.20 | hagisbasheruk | seems to be bug |
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| 12:13.43 | Cain | Hi, i have a weird bug (or hardware failure i guess) one of the servers i monitor freezes for the 3rd time in one week, i don't see anything in logs, so can it be a software error or it's most likely a hardware error ? (the server is a dell optiplex 745 with debian lenny as nogui-server and running lamp and virtualbox(win2k-as-guest)) |
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| 12:14.54 | Cain | (freezes = the server seems to be switched on but no output when i plug a monitor and the keyboard seems not to be recognized when i plug it too) |
| 12:15.19 | raz | any disk activity during the freeze? |
| 12:15.38 | Cain | how can i check for that ? |
| 12:15.48 | raz | drive indicator lights? :) |
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| 12:16.16 | Cain | hum i wasn't there when it freezes :'( |
| 12:16.23 | abrotman | Cain: switches on and nothing works? do the disks ever spin up? |
| 12:16.53 | Cain | abrotman : when i unplug the power and plug it again everything works just fine |
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| 12:17.18 | raz | i have seen the same, actually just recently on two servers |
| 12:17.39 | raz | if you have a mgmt card in that box you could check if it logs anything |
| 12:17.46 | raz | but fwiw, my DRAC cards didn't log anything either |
| 12:18.27 | raz | i suspect it's aging hardware of some sort, perhaps a PSU issue |
| 12:18.47 | raz | both of mine were DELLs |
| 12:19.33 | Cain | raz i have an ellipss 1000va as ups who can shutdown the server if the battery is less than 30% of power |
| 12:20.11 | raz | yea no, i meant issue with the PSU inside the server |
| 12:20.31 | raz | i mean, no idea if we have the same problem, but we seem to have the same symptoms ;) |
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| 12:22.19 | Cain | raz : i guess so, but can this freeze be caused by software ? |
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| 12:23.02 | raz | sure, although it's kinda rare to not see anything in the logs |
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| 12:24.02 | raz | how long has the server been running fine, and have you made any big changes recently? (new drivers, new kernel etc.) |
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| 12:26.24 | Cain | raz : the server were running fine since its installation (last february 2010) no big changes recently, just aptitude-update && aptitude safe-upgrade from time to time |
| 12:26.44 | raz | then it's probably a hardware issue |
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| 12:27.13 | raz | perhaps try running a memtest |
| 12:28.08 | raz | you could also add monitoring for the hardware sensors, to see if there's voltage issues or overheating |
| 12:28.14 | raz | or just scrap the box and buy a new one ;) |
| 12:28.30 | Cain | :D |
| 12:28.39 | Cain | raz : thx for the hint, i'll do that, and if it doesn't help i'll scrap it ^^ |
| 12:28.47 | raz | good luck :) |
| 12:29.42 | Cain | thx :) |
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| 12:32.50 | abrotman | Cain: I'd probably try swapping the PSU .. or ask ##hardware .. |
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| 12:34.34 | classical_ | hey ppl how can i get system information on debian 3.1 ? there is no dmidecode or lshw |
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| 12:35.25 | Cain | abrotman : thx ^^, i'll do that too |
| 12:35.58 | abrotman | classical_: what kind of info ? |
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| 12:39.02 | Amnesia | anyone here with familiar with screen blanking on vlc... |
| 12:39.05 | classical_ | abrotman, motherboard model |
| 12:39.30 | Amnesia | it's quite annoying, the screen blanks when theres no activity(when watching something) while dpms has been disabled |
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| 12:39.37 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 12:39.37 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run "lshw -html > myhardware.html" as root and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>, <driver locator>. |
| 12:39.44 | abrotman | Amnesia: there is a #vlc |
| 12:40.09 | Amnesia | I know but it;s debian related since I'm only having it on the vlc package out of the debian repos |
| 12:40.17 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 12:40.29 | abrotman | classical_: with an OS that old, you might have to open the case |
| 12:40.50 | krion | i'm looking for fellas with uptodate squeeze, and xen dom0 64 bits, with server hosted at hetzner company |
| 12:40.59 | classical_ | abrotman, lol :-D |
| 12:41.28 | abrotman | not really funny |
| 12:41.33 | krion | if i believe support guys, i can not have squeeze, 2.6.32-5, xen4 on MSI MS7522 motherboard |
| 12:41.38 | Amnesia | old? |
| 12:41.48 | krion | when i reboot it 'freeze' the bios, as they said |
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| 12:42.46 | nirazio | Every time I start my system, I go to terminal and start my VPN using sudo vpnc. How to automate this to a startup script? |
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| 12:43.27 | abrotman | Amnesia: not you .. |
| 12:43.38 | Amnesia | ah k sorry |
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| 12:45.21 | jelly | nirazio: which debian release are you using? |
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| 12:55.54 | huglester | anyone got cacti working on squeeze? Everything I get is a white page when I want to access it from web :( |
| 12:56.09 | ethanol | try #httpd |
| 12:56.36 | huglester | thank you ethanol |
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| 12:57.51 | babilen | or #cacti (not sure what the issue is though) -- You might want to read README.Debian.* as well |
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| 13:03.52 | pielgrzym | I'm not sure I understood it right: in ext3 (just to rule out exotic fs problems) - when I set dir permissions to say, 750 and do a g+s on that dir all files inside should inherit group permissions? |
| 13:04.08 | niklaswe | hmm does someone have any idé how i can see how long time an imap-session has bin established ? |
| 13:04.18 | stew | pielgrzym: no, just te group owner (for newly created files, not exiting ones) |
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| 13:05.49 | pielgrzym | stew: can I make an umask for a particular dir? So inside a certain dir each created file by default will have say, broader permissions? |
| 13:05.53 | stew | niklaswe: does your imapd spawn a new process for each connection? |
| 13:06.05 | stew | pielgrzym: only by using extended acls |
| 13:06.23 | stew | pielgrzym: google for "linux extended acls" and look for "default" |
| 13:06.34 | pielgrzym | stew: thanks |
| 13:07.15 | niklaswe | stew: hmm yeah, i see that i can get it with ps and see the "time" here.. but it doesn't clear old imap-session |
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| 13:08.16 | niklaswe | stew: and i wondering if i can see it with netstat or lsof... more like imap-session create <datetime>.. if you know what i mean..? |
| 13:09.09 | stew | i'm not sure |
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| 13:12.28 | niklaswe | stew: something like this.. netstat -nap <server-ip> <client> session established <program name>.. |
| 13:12.38 | niklaswe | hmm i really sucks to explain :P |
| 13:13.18 | niklaswe | s/session established/ <date> session established/ |
| 13:13.28 | pielgrzym | how can I change the default group for an already existing user? For new users I've set up no user_groups and gave themm all one group :) |
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| 13:15.02 | djura-san | \o_ |
| 13:15.09 | woshty | re |
| 13:15.25 | ttiicc | I have added the contrib repository so I now can install sun JDK instead of openJDK. wonder what I have to type in aptitude to specifically get the 1.6.0_20 version? |
| 13:16.31 | pielgrzym | nvm, usermod -g group user :) |
| 13:17.08 | abrotman | ttiicc: you get the version available to you |
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| 13:18.24 | abrotman | ttiicc: aptitude update;aptitude search sun-java |
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| 13:20.41 | rozie | hi. not a best place, but what ipv6 enabled repo do you recommend? |
| 13:20.53 | ttiicc | I found the command |
| 13:21.01 | rozie | ftp2.de.debian.org and ftp.de.debian.org |
| 13:21.09 | rozie | are ipv4 only |
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| 13:22.30 | rozie | hmm, guess I found great page about it |
| 13:22.40 | rozie | http://www.sixxs.net/wiki/IPv6_Enabled_Mirrors |
| 13:24.47 | abrotman | rozie: FWIW, there is a debian-ipv6 mailing list you might ask |
| 13:25.30 | rozie | just wanted to change ftp2.de.debian.org I'm using now as I pierced NAT with ipv6 tunnel |
| 13:25.56 | jhutchins_lt | I'd be really surprised if there were an ipv6 path all the way to a mirror. |
| 13:26.38 | rozie | abrotman: but well, may give them a try |
| 13:27.49 | rozie | abrotman: thansk |
| 13:27.53 | rozie | thanks* |
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| 13:28.38 | rozie | jhutchins_lt: I don't really care if it's full path |
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| 13:28.50 | rozie | sooner or later it will be ;-) |
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| 13:29.55 | ttiicc | If I hit the command aptitude install sun-java6-jdk then I get the java -version 1.6.0_22 but what I would like to have is the 1.6.0_20 version |
| 13:30.07 | jhutchins_lt | rozie: Nah, they've finally figured out it won't scale to the full internet. There was something on slashdot about it recently. |
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| 13:30.29 | rozie | jhutchins_lt: what won't scale? |
| 13:30.57 | ttiicc | I tried aptitude install sun-java6-jdk=1.6.0_20 and apt prompted that it couldn't find that version! |
| 13:30.58 | jhutchins_lt | ipv6 |
| 13:31.00 | ttiicc | any idea? |
| 13:31.25 | jhutchins_lt | !archives |
| 13:31.25 | dpkg | methinks archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
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| 13:31.53 | rozie | jhutchins_lt: it scales way better than ipv4 |
| 13:32.12 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, but it doesn't work for a global network. |
| 13:33.07 | ttiicc | any one in here who ahs done the same thing that Im trying to do with a package |
| 13:33.43 | abrotman | ttiicc: that's not even a valid debian version for that package ... |
| 13:33.50 | abrotman | ttiicc: if your app requires a specific version, it's broken |
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| 13:34.53 | ttiicc | abrotman: how did you know it wasn't a valid verison? where's the list which you got the information from? |
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| 13:35.19 | themill | ttiicc: _ is not a valid character in debian version strings. /msg dpkg policy |
| 13:35.31 | abrotman | and there isn't a java package with that version |
| 13:35.34 | abrotman | or even close |
| 13:35.59 | themill | ttiicc: 1.6.x is also not the version system that sun java packages are using. They are using the 6.x versioning instead. |
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| 13:36.55 | abrotman | judd: versions sun-java6-jdk |
| 13:36.57 | judd | Package sun-java6-jdk on i386 -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 6-22-0lenny1; sid/non-free: 6.22-1; squeeze/non-free: 6.22-1 |
| 13:36.58 | ttiicc | I found this version sun-java6-jdk (6-22-0lenny1) but I would like to have the 6-20 version instead |
| 13:37.05 | abrotman | ttiicc: fix your application |
| 13:37.41 | jelly | ttiicc: also, there may be older packages on /msg dpkg sdo |
| 13:37.42 | ttiicc | Im trying to get the same version of java as another Lenny computer already got |
| 13:37.51 | abrotman | then your other lenny computer is out of date? |
| 13:38.06 | abrotman | and missing security patches |
| 13:38.11 | jelly | debian is out of date anyway, 1.6_23 is out |
| 13:38.29 | ttiicc | yes, don't want to update the jdk since Im runnning live server on it |
| 13:38.31 | themill | ttiicc: the differences between 6.20-* and 6.22-* is a large pile of CVE numbers. I know which I'd prefer. |
| 13:38.45 | jelly | themill: me too... the .23 one <g> |
| 13:38.47 | abrotman | ttiicc: your live server is stupidly insecure |
| 13:39.55 | rozie | jhutchins_lt: for ftp.ipv6.debian.org I have full ipv6 path |
| 13:39.56 | ttiicc | I don't think so... and does none of you guys in here know how to install the _20 verison instead of the _22 version? |
| 13:40.06 | abrotman | you're wrong |
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| 13:40.19 | themill | ttiicc: it has been mentioned how to do that, but I would advise against doing so. |
| 13:40.23 | abrotman | ttiicc: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/s/sun-java6/sun-java6_6-22-0lenny1/changelog |
| 13:40.26 | rozie | for ftp.fi.debian.org (which is dual stack) too... |
| 13:40.37 | abrotman | ttiicc: see all those CVEs ? the ones you don't have installed? those are all security issues |
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| 13:41.10 | babilen | ttiicc: The way to install it has already been pointed out to you (snapshots), but just install the most recent version that comes with all security fixes. |
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| 13:43.26 | ttiicc | ok could someone give me the command, Im not to familiar with debian packages |
| 13:43.50 | babilen | ttiicc: "aptitude install sun-java6-jdk" |
| 13:43.51 | ttiicc | Im a java developer I know java and it's settings :) |
| 13:44.05 | jhutchins_lt | ttiicc: You're not listening. |
| 13:44.07 | ttiicc | but that would give me the 22 version |
| 13:44.25 | abrotman | this is why developers make really crappy admins |
| 13:44.43 | jhutchins_lt | !beer abrotman |
| 13:44.43 | dpkg | pours a pint of Bornem Tripple for abrotman |
| 13:45.00 | jelly | and why admins make crappy developers |
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| 13:47.16 | ttiicc | if I let lose the pine which I got, I don't know how debian is made but it would only upgrade security updates right? |
| 13:47.28 | abrotman | jelly: yes, but admins don't pretend they're good developers ... |
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| 13:48.07 | sep | ttiicc, depends on what version of debian you are running. but if stable. then yes only security updates |
| 13:48.13 | abrotman | not true |
| 13:48.15 | ttiicc | what I would like to miss is apgrades from jdk6 to jdk7! don't really care about the minor versions |
| 13:48.30 | sep | ttiicc, also depends on what you have in your sources list file |
| 13:48.30 | ttiicc | Im running stable |
| 13:48.51 | ttiicc | stable, and ofcourse contrib since sun-JDK are in there! |
| 13:48.52 | jelly | there is no jdk7 ;-) |
| 13:48.55 | abrotman | ttiicc: you were given the answer of how to put another insecure system on the internet .. scroll up and read |
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| 13:49.17 | jelly | ttiicc: /msg dpkg sdo |
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| 13:49.46 | ttiicc | but there will be one eventually! |
| 13:50.09 | jelly | unsure |
| 13:50.14 | sep | ttiicc, but it will not hit lenny for sure :) |
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| 13:50.23 | dkr | but then it will be called oracle-jdk ;) |
| 13:50.28 | ttiicc | ok |
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| 13:51.08 | ttiicc | ok I will let lose of the pine! |
| 13:51.36 | OpenTokix | I have dkg2011 |
| 13:51.40 | OpenTokix | jdk2011 |
| 13:51.48 | dkr | 'e's pining for the fjords |
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| 13:52.44 | babilen | ttiicc: And don't ferget to update the other server as well. It is probably missing a lot of other security updates as well. |
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| 13:53.33 | ttiicc | no I hsve just made a pine on the JDK |
| 13:53.39 | krion | i'm there alone on this hearth ? :) |
| 13:53.44 | blackpenguin | I'm missing the security advisory on the debian mainpage about glibc 2.7-18lenny7 |
| 13:54.11 | ttiicc | thanks for the information anyhow |
| 13:54.12 | abrotman | blackpenguin: check the mailing list archive |
| 13:54.17 | ttiicc | see you guys! |
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| 13:54.44 | abrotman | blackpenguin: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2011/threads.html |
| 13:55.49 | blackpenguin | it's no mentioned there, hence the changelog says urgency high http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/glibc/glibc_2.7-18lenny7/changelog |
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| 13:56.26 | c0nsense | Hi! I'm running PostgreSQL 8.2.9(build from source-code) on Debian Lenny, now i need install postgresql-contrib 8.2.9, how do this? backports? |
| 13:56.38 | babilen | ttiicc: If you just pinned the version to the (insecure) 20 version I have to tell you that it was a very bad decision. Why don't you use the patched and secure version? |
| 13:57.00 | blackpenguin | abrotman: oh it IS mentioned. I'm just blind |
| 13:58.11 | babilen | ,versions postgresql-contrib |
| 13:58.12 | jhutchins_lt | WTF is "a pine"? |
| 13:58.13 | judd | Package postgresql-contrib on i386 -- etch: 7.5.22; etch-backports: 8.3.9-0lenny1~bpo40+1; lenny: 8.3.12-0lenny1; lenny-security: 8.3.12-0lenny1; squeeze: 8.4.5-0squeeze2; sid: 8.4.5-1; lenny-backports: 8.4.5-2~bpo50+1; sid: 8.4.6-1; sid: 9.0.1-1; sid: 9.0.2-1 |
| 13:58.14 | pippz | hello, is there a way (a simple one) to blacklist a package to be upgraded? i tried unattended-upgrades, with no luck |
| 13:58.17 | pippz | thanks! |
| 13:58.20 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: "pin" I guess |
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| 13:59.28 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: the subject of pining. |
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| 13:59.36 | jelly | (for the fjords) |
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| 14:00.42 | abrotman | !tell pippz about hold |
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| 14:01.47 | pippz | i'm reading abrotman, thanks |
| 14:02.15 | c0nsense | judd: so, don't have postgresql-contrib 8.2.9? |
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| 14:03.02 | babilen | c0nsense: Judd is a bot, and it very much looks as if 8.2.9 is not available (from Debian at least) |
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| 14:03.47 | babilen | c0nsense: Do you need exactly that version or would 8.3.9 (with security support - yay!) be an option? |
| 14:04.05 | babilen | 8.3.12 that is (from lenny) |
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| 14:04.55 | c0nsense | babilen: but, i can install postgresql-contrib 8.3.12 on postgresql 8.2.9? |
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| 14:06.46 | babilen | c0nsense: I don't think that'll work. I rather meant to install postgresql-8.3 and postgresql-contrib-8.3 (i.e. 8.3.12 from the normal repositories) |
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| 14:09.03 | xro | Hi. after a bad manipulation on /var, all director and file belong to root:root.... Is there a way to repair it? |
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| 14:09.23 | jhutchins | xro: Restore your backup. |
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| 14:10.05 | xro | jhutchins, another way? |
| 14:10.13 | jhutchins | xro: Reinstall? |
| 14:10.22 | xro | jhutchins, still anopther? |
| 14:10.55 | jhutchins | Change all the files to match an identical system. |
| 14:11.27 | jelly | mind the numeric and symbolic uids and gids when comparing |
| 14:11.35 | xro | jhutchins, yes... that's a possible way.... but how can i know wich file i should change? |
| 14:12.13 | jelly | xro: install a second system with the exact same configuration, package set, and the order in which packages were installed, then compare |
| 14:12.14 | jhutchins | xro: By comparing the systems. It's not a very likely solution. |
| 14:12.43 | xro | compare it manually? |
| 14:12.52 | jhutchins | xro: One file at a time. |
| 14:13.00 | jelly | manually, scripting, whatever you like |
| 14:13.10 | jhutchins | You could probably use diff. |
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| 14:14.12 | xro | great, it will take a while... :( |
| 14:14.49 | babilen | xro: Reinstall, make regular (automatic) backups and you'll never have a problem like this again. |
| 14:15.34 | xro | babilen, i had backup but i'm waiting for new HD (out of memory)... So, my backup are old know... |
| 14:16.00 | jhutchins | xro: So you're messing with the system knowing you have no backups. |
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| 14:16.44 | xro | jhutchins, messing wasn't the objective, but yes |
| 14:17.08 | xro | sometimes there is no alternatives |
| 14:17.11 | jhutchins | Ah well. Experience is proportional to data destroyed. |
| 14:17.40 | xro | i just earn a lot of XP.... |
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| 14:18.04 | babilen | xro: Run "getfacl -R / > acl-`date +%d-%m-%Y`.txt" on a non-broken system and use "setfacl" to restore the permissions |
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| 14:18.19 | babilen | xro: Makes sense to include something like this in your backup script |
| 14:18.19 | gigo | any skype software for Debian 64 bit? |
| 14:18.29 | babilen | gigo: yes, you can get it from skype |
| 14:18.52 | gigo | ok, hte debian one doesn't install. it says that the installer doesn't match the architecture amd64 |
| 14:18.54 | babilen | gigo: download and install the package for Ubuntu 64bit, ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk |
| 14:19.06 | xro | babilen, oh, i could run this command on a similar server, then setfact to the broken server.... |
| 14:19.36 | xro | babilen, i use bacula for the backup, it works great but only when i have sufficient space |
| 14:19.58 | abrotman | gigo: the "Debian" one on that page is 32bit only |
| 14:20.09 | gigo | ok. does this skype also support webcam chat? |
| 14:20.19 | gigo | in fact, i would like to ask, what's the best bet for webcam chat with Debian? |
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| 14:20.48 | babilen | xro: I would restrict it to /var and diff the list of files ... Still, a reinstall is a much better solution as you can not be quite sure that you get it right. You might want to run it against your backup (assuming that your backup has the largest subset of identical files and is not *that* old). Just passing ideas around .. |
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| 14:21.20 | babilen | gigo: skype supports video chat. Other things to look at are SIP based clients like, e.g. Ekiga |
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| 14:26.55 | xro | babilen, ok... and is it possible to excluse some directory --> getfacl -R /var --exclude somedirectories |
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| 14:29.43 | babilen | xro: "man getfacl" and no IIRC -- You might also want to reinstall all packages. But the easiest and best way would still be to reinstall the system. Shouldn't take you that long. |
| 14:30.06 | babilen | xro: /msg dpkg what to backup -- /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
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| 14:33.12 | Askyi | Ciao a tutti :)) |
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| 14:34.05 | xro | babilen, yes i will reinstall it... that's the clever way |
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| 14:35.31 | choonming | anyone here familiar with lighttpd and htaccess rewrite rules? |
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| 14:36.32 | nof0ld | hi |
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| 14:38.23 | nof0ld | I have a MacBook and a 24" Samsung LED display. Is there a way to autodetect the second display without restarting the xserver? |
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| 14:39.30 | discozohan | Hello! I have some directory ( "/data/www") and user with sudo rights. I need to make a deploy into that directory and set specific owner and group. How can i do that with rsync ? |
| 14:39.37 | discozohan | Should i use rsync server ? |
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| 14:41.58 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 14:42.16 | AlexC_ | is there a way to list all broken packages currently installed? By broken I mean ones that may have had configuration files removed, not yet fully configured etc etc |
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| 14:45.06 | dondelelcaro | AlexC_: only the latter are actually broken |
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| 14:51.12 | AlexC_ | dondelelcaro: ok, and how can I list them? |
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| 14:52.50 | stew | its a shame that aptitude doesn't have serch patterns (that I've seen) that will search for half-installed packages or the like |
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| 14:54.40 | sep | stew, you mean an aptitude way to do dpkg -la | grep -v ^ii ? |
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| 14:55.06 | stew | AlexC_: you could perhaps parse the output of dpkg -l, not properly installed packages will have an uppercase letter in the first column |
| 14:55.27 | stew | err, second column |
| 14:55.48 | AlexC_ | ah ok, thank you |
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| 14:55.54 | stew | sep: hi, ri, pi, would all match that, and none of those are broken, necessarily |
| 14:56.05 | mns | does anyone have problems with running Google Chrome on squeeze ? Nothing is rendering properly since yesterday, and there was no updating of it that occured. |
| 14:56.07 | stew | AlexC_: or look at grep-status perhaps |
| 14:56.24 | sep | stew, true but i want to know about them so that's why i use ^ii usualy :) |
| 14:56.27 | stew | AlexC_: note that aptitude has a ~b pattern for broken, but that is broken dependencies |
| 14:56.38 | sep | afk |
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| 14:57.02 | xindz | nt |
| 14:57.05 | dondelelcaro | it also has ~c; I think it probably should have an option to take one of the dpkg status codes... |
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| 14:57.17 | dondelelcaro | but I don't have time to code it myself |
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| 14:58.29 | superlinux | hi. how can I download all *.doc files located in side a folder using wget? |
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| 15:00.51 | stew | dondelelcaro: we need a system where we can queue these feature requests so that we can force nm applicants to code them for us! :) |
| 15:01.11 | imganquan | hi all. my totem player cant not play mp4 file, but mplayer works. what packages need to install? |
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| 15:03.31 | imganquan | OK. install gstream0.10-ffmpeg package. |
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| 15:04.26 | Hui_Nan | hi all |
| 15:04.37 | Hui_Nan | how can I enable routing? |
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| 15:04.58 | Wiz_KeeD | hey guys, can anyone tell me how i can install sqlite3 plugin on debian? |
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| 15:05.23 | Hui_Nan | Wiz_KeeD: plugin to what? |
| 15:05.26 | stew | Hui_Nan: do you perhaps mean ip forwarding? |
| 15:05.32 | Wiz_KeeD | sqlite3 of php apache |
| 15:05.33 | Hui_Nan | yep |
| 15:05.49 | stew | Hui_Nan: there is a line to uncomment in /etc/sysctl.conf, then run "sysctl -p" |
| 15:06.03 | Wiz_KeeD | i don't know yet what version of php it's running but inside the php.ini iiinnn /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini there is no sqlite to be found |
| 15:06.17 | stew | Wiz_KeeD: aptitude install php5-sqlite |
| 15:06.36 | Wiz_KeeD | aptitude? nice |
| 15:06.45 | Wiz_KeeD | should show in php.ini now? |
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| 15:07.25 | Hui_Nan | stew: thank you very much! |
| 15:07.34 | Wiz_KeeD | No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 15:07.34 | Wiz_KeeD | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 25 not upgraded. |
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| 15:08.14 | stew | Wiz_KeeD: then it is already installed |
| 15:08.23 | stew | Wiz_KeeD: does /etc/php5/conf.d/sqlite3.ini exist? |
| 15:08.25 | Wiz_KeeD | Fatal error: Class 'SQLite3' not found in /data/www/clients/client1/web22/web/index.php on line 27 |
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| 15:09.42 | Wiz_KeeD | sqlite.ini |
| 15:09.46 | Wiz_KeeD | yes sir it's there but not sqlite3 |
| 15:09.55 | Wiz_KeeD | wait |
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| 15:10.12 | Wiz_KeeD | if i do sqlit + tab i get sqlite3 |
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| 15:10.25 | Wiz_KeeD | but it doesn't show on ls |
| 15:10.46 | jordanm | Wiz_KeeD: sounds like you are missing the php module, but have sqlite |
| 15:10.56 | jordanm | Wiz_KeeD: php -m | grep sqlite |
| 15:10.58 | Wiz_KeeD | what do i do? :( |
| 15:11.11 | Wiz_KeeD | it brought up pdo_sqlite |
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| 15:11.33 | andiolsi | hi, can i attach a custom shell script to udev event? |
| 15:11.43 | jordanm | Wiz_KeeD: install php5-sqlite? |
| 15:11.54 | andiolsi | like: device x connected -> call test.sh |
| 15:12.01 | Wiz_KeeD | missing destinaton file |
| 15:12.03 | Wiz_KeeD | and i need sqlite3 btw |
| 15:12.19 | jordanm | Wiz_KeeD: what destination file? |
| 15:12.32 | Wiz_KeeD | that's what it says when i enter |
| 15:12.35 | Wiz_KeeD | install php5-sqlite |
| 15:12.45 | jordanm | !tell Wiz_KeeD about grounding |
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| 15:13.02 | Wiz_KeeD | sorry i'm just a web programmer and this just fell on my hands |
| 15:13.06 | Wiz_KeeD | a server wich doesn't have sqlite3 enabled |
| 15:13.30 | jordanm | Wiz_KeeD: knowing how to install packages is rather important |
| 15:13.39 | Wiz_KeeD | knowing linux in general is |
| 15:13.47 | stew | judd: depends php5-sqlite |
| 15:13.48 | judd | Package php5-sqlite -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libsqlite0 (>= 2.8.17), libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.5.9), phpapi-20060613+lfs, php5-common (= 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9). |
| 15:13.57 | stew | it depends on libsqlite3, at least |
| 15:14.14 | Wiz_KeeD | wich means i have to... |
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| 15:14.38 | jordanm | aptitude install php5-sqlite |
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| 15:14.49 | Wiz_KeeD | i just did that |
| 15:15.11 | Wiz_KeeD | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 25 not upgraded. |
| 15:15.11 | Wiz_KeeD | Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used. |
| 15:15.12 | rdz | where can i find info about why a certain package was upgraded in the debian repository? |
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| 15:15.47 | thomaschaaf | (this is not directly PHP related so please don't send me to ##php right away) Trying to make command executed by PHP childs of the process.. I have the following code: http://pastie.org/1456454 and htop looks like this: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/5910/Jing/2011-01-13_1611.png when I kill the parent php the others don't get killed.. I still don't want to wait on the "sleep 30" to finish before php continues parsing the script.. I |
| 15:15.47 | jordanm | rdz: its typically because it requires the removal of a package. use full-upgrade |
| 15:16.03 | jordanm | Wiz_KeeD: and you need to full-upgrade as well it looks like. what version of debian? |
| 15:16.18 | Wiz_KeeD | how do i find out the version? |
| 15:16.56 | jordanm | Wiz_KeeD: apt-cache policy foo |
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| 15:17.08 | Wiz_KeeD | write just that? |
| 15:17.16 | rdz | jordanm, i am not sure, if i made myself clear. i would like to know why for instance libc is upgraded, when i perform 'aptitude full-upgrade'. |
| 15:17.21 | jordanm | thomaschaaf: the parent process is likely apache, or whatever your webserver is. also, init can adopt ophaned procs |
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| 15:17.38 | stew | rdz: full-upgrade means to try to upgread EVERY package |
| 15:17.39 | thomaschaaf | no its just php-cli |
| 15:17.40 | Wiz_KeeD | sqlite3 installed |
| 15:17.48 | Wiz_KeeD | sqlite simple is not |
| 15:17.49 | stew | rdz: do you want the changelog? is that what you mean? |
| 15:17.51 | thomaschaaf | no apache nothing.. |
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| 15:17.56 | rdz | stew, i know.. i mean: what changed in that package? |
| 15:18.04 | rdz | stew, ah.. thanks.. i guess so. |
| 15:18.11 | stew | rdz: "aptitude changelog packagename" or look at the apt-listchanges package |
| 15:18.22 | rdz | stew, jordanm sorry for not making myself clear |
| 15:18.28 | rdz | stew, many thanks |
| 15:18.31 | jordanm | rdz: apt-listchanges libc6? |
| 15:18.39 | jordanm | ah, I am late |
| 15:18.56 | Wiz_KeeD | how do i restart apache |
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| 15:19.12 | jordanm | hire a web server administrator :P |
| 15:19.15 | thomaschaaf | rdz: no webserver between php... just using php as a script language |
| 15:19.22 | rdz | jordanm, yeah, that's what i was looking for |
| 15:19.23 | rdz | thanks |
| 15:19.26 | thomaschaaf | or bash alternative |
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| 15:20.16 | jordanm | thomaschaaf: does exec() actually execute in a shell like /bin/sh? |
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| 15:20.59 | vak | hi all |
| 15:21.03 | vak | How could it be that some command (actually "mvn") could be invoked, but "which mvn" results in empty string??!! |
| 15:21.19 | jordanm | vak: "type mvn" |
| 15:21.46 | thomaschaaf | if I leave out the > /dev/null ... & it is a child of the current php process so I would say yes jordanm |
| 15:21.47 | vak | type gives the right answer- |
| 15:21.59 | stew | vak: what is the answer? |
| 15:21.59 | thomaschaaf | I think the > /dev/null 2>&1 is myproblem |
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| 15:22.23 | vak | stew: mvn is hashed (/home/user/pkg/apache-maven-3.0.2/bin/mvn) |
| 15:22.52 | vak | so why "which" gives me nothing?! |
| 15:22.52 | jordanm | thomaschaaf: i would expect those character to only make sense to a shell |
| 15:23.17 | stew | vak: is /home/user/pkg/apache-maven-3.0.2/bin still in your path? does that file still exist? |
| 15:23.23 | thomaschaaf | everything in exec("") is just like if I write it in a shell |
| 15:23.24 | jordanm | vak: which doesn't follow symlinks and perhaps thats not in your $PATH |
| 15:23.36 | Wiz_KeeD | any other suggestion guys? |
| 15:23.40 | Wiz_KeeD | it really isn't enabled |
| 15:23.41 | Wiz_KeeD | Fatal error: Class 'SQLite3' not found in /data/www/clients/client1/web22/web/index.php on line 27 |
| 15:23.55 | stew | Wiz_KeeD: what version of php5-sqlite is installed? |
| 15:23.55 | wad | Good morning, folks. I put an external drive on my debian box (eSATA), created a partition with fdisk, formatted it NTFS with mkfs, and mounted it in /mnt/external. According to the mount command, it's "/dev/sda1 on /mnt/external type ntfs (rw)". But I can't touch it as root, "operation not permitted". Huh? |
| 15:24.06 | Wiz_KeeD | how do i find out? |
| 15:24.14 | jordanm | already suspects /usr/local/bin/php |
| 15:24.44 | themill | thomaschaaf: I'm punting that php is the wrong tool for the job here.... but you need to be using popen and pclose for this sort of job control. |
| 15:24.48 | jordanm | wad: you need ntfs-3g instead of the builtin kernel module |
| 15:24.50 | stew | Wiz_KeeD: "apt-cache policy php5-sqlite" in the "Installed:" line |
| 15:24.59 | wad | jordanm, ah. |
| 15:25.05 | wad | looks at that, thanks! |
| 15:25.18 | jordanm | wad: anytime |
| 15:25.21 | vak | jordanm: ~ symbol is not understood by which |
| 15:25.28 | wad | So, that's installing now. |
| 15:25.38 | vak | ufffffff |
| 15:25.49 | jordanm | vak: ~ should be expanded by the shell before it gets to which |
| 15:26.00 | vak | stew: ^^ |
| 15:26.27 | Wiz_KeeD | 5.2.6 stew ! |
| 15:26.39 | Wiz_KeeD | Installed: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9 |
| 15:26.40 | vak | stew: jordanm: so if "~" somehow remains in PATH one gets this problem. Awesome. |
| 15:26.54 | vak | OK. |
| 15:26.55 | Wiz_KeeD | *** 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9 0 |
| 15:27.02 | wad | jordanm, I unmounted and remounted it, still not writable. So I need to specify something on the mount command? To tell it to use this other driver? |
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| 15:27.26 | jordanm | wad: replace "mount" with "ntfs-3g" |
| 15:27.34 | wad | ah |
| 15:27.42 | wad | wouldn't have guessed that one |
| 15:27.49 | Wiz_KeeD | stew, still there? |
| 15:28.00 | jordanm | wad: you can still use mount with mount -t ntfs-3g, but thats extra typing :) |
| 15:28.05 | wad | ah! |
| 15:28.13 | stew | Wiz_KeeD: what is the first line of "php -v" ? |
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| 15:28.34 | Wiz_KeeD | PHP 5.2.6-1+lenny9 with Suhosin-Patch 0.9.6.2 |
| 15:28.42 | wad | workie!! |
| 15:28.56 | wad | Thanks so much! |
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| 15:29.01 | jordanm | Wiz_KeeD: pastebin php -m |
| 15:29.08 | jordanm | wad: np |
| 15:29.37 | Wiz_KeeD | http://pastebin.com/EXXP9vBP |
| 15:29.38 | Wiz_KeeD | here it is |
| 15:29.41 | stew | Wiz_KeeD: http://us2.php.net/manual/en/sqlite3.installation.php "The SQLite3 extension is enabled by default as of PHP 5.3.0." but you are < 5.3.0 |
| 15:30.26 | Wiz_KeeD | and what would be the solution? |
| 15:30.32 | jordanm | ewww zend.... |
| 15:30.36 | wad | Woo hoo, copying data at 20 MB/sec! Only 2 TB to go.... |
| 15:31.02 | jordanm | wad: I wouldn't consider that too terrible for a userspace driver |
| 15:31.27 | wad | So.... why ntfs-3g instead of the built-in one? What was wrong with the builtin one? |
| 15:31.32 | wad | googles it |
| 15:31.32 | jordanm | Wiz_KeeD: are you using mod_php, php-cgi, or suPHP? |
| 15:31.43 | jordanm | wad: it doesn't have write support |
| 15:32.02 | wad | Um... doesn't that make it.. broken? |
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| 15:32.18 | jordanm | wad: nope, it can still read just fine |
| 15:32.46 | wad | So it's only broken if you actually want to use your drive. |
| 15:33.01 | wad | lol |
| 15:33.07 | Wiz_KeeD | how do i find out jordam? |
| 15:33.15 | jordanm | if you wanted to use you drive, it wouldn't be formatted ntfs :) |
| 15:33.29 | wad | If it was for me, I'd format it ext4. |
| 15:33.33 | jordanm | Wiz_KeeD: ls /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ |
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| 15:34.05 | wad | All my computers run linux. But it's for someone else. And I'm not about to go into tech support on lame old Windows machines. |
| 15:34.23 | wad | I wish MicroSoft would hurry up and die. |
| 15:34.43 | wad | *sigh* |
| 15:34.50 | wad | Anyway, I gotta scamper. Bye! |
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| 15:35.04 | Wiz_KeeD | i found a php-cgi |
| 15:35.06 | Wiz_KeeD | in there |
| 15:35.20 | jordanm | uhh |
| 15:35.22 | Wiz_KeeD | wait no |
| 15:35.24 | jordanm | suexec too? |
| 15:35.26 | Wiz_KeeD | there are a lot of things there |
| 15:35.41 | stew | Wiz_KeeD: are you the one that set this up? |
| 15:35.51 | Wiz_KeeD | http://pastebin.com/bes4vqVP |
| 15:35.55 | Wiz_KeeD | no sir i am not |
| 15:36.07 | choonming | can someone help me with lighttpd rewrite rule? |
| 15:36.29 | choonming | i need to convert a htaccess rule to lighttpd and im not familiar with it |
| 15:36.45 | jordanm | Wiz_KeeD: well... looks like both mod_php and suPHP are loaded. you will need to check the vhosts to see which is used |
| 15:37.01 | jordanm | is not sure why someone would want both |
| 15:37.13 | Wiz_KeeD | bummer... |
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| 15:38.13 | jordanm | Wiz_KeeD: find /var/www -name '.htaccess' -exec grep -H 'php.ini' {} \; |
| 15:38.14 | Wiz_KeeD | can't i upgrade easily |
| 15:38.18 | Wiz_KeeD | the php version? |
| 15:38.23 | jordanm | Wiz_KeeD: no |
| 15:38.24 | choonming | can someone take a look at this htaccess to lighttpd rule and see its correct or not? http://pastebin.com/J3XkMqXF |
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| 15:39.46 | Wiz_KeeD | sorry about that |
| 15:40.14 | Wiz_KeeD | it doesn't find anything jordanm |
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| 15:40.18 | jordanm | Wiz_KeeD: if this server belongs to a web hosting company, I would consut their support |
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| 15:40.33 | Wiz_KeeD | it does not, that's the problem |
| 15:40.38 | Wiz_KeeD | can't i just upgrade the php? |
| 15:40.43 | jordanm | no |
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| 15:41.00 | Wiz_KeeD | damn |
| 15:41.03 | Wiz_KeeD | so there's no solution |
| 15:41.07 | jordanm | Wiz_KeeD: its not that simple and it can easily break you applications that are working |
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| 15:41.25 | jordanm | Wiz_KeeD: sure there is |
| 15:41.26 | Wiz_KeeD | i don't want that and i will be held responsable if something happened |
| 15:41.44 | jordanm | Wiz_KeeD: then don't mess with it, wait for the admin who knows how the thing is setup |
| 15:41.58 | Wiz_KeeD | he tried for a few minutes |
| 15:41.59 | Wiz_KeeD | and then left |
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| 15:43.36 | stew | Wiz_KeeD: i would recommend that you either use sqlite instead of sqlite3, or find out if sqlite3 can be enabled at compile time in 5.2.6 and recompile the 5.2.6 packages, then get someone who knows how to either rebuild 5.2.6 or backport 5.3.x from squeeze, or wait for squeeze to be released and upgrade the entire install to squeeze (which is currently "testing" but expected to be released as "stable" stoon) |
| 15:44.30 | Wiz_KeeD | that was the final knockout |
| 15:44.31 | jordanm | stew: oh, thanks |
| 15:44.33 | Wiz_KeeD | i'm done |
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| 15:44.40 | Wiz_KeeD | well...thank you very much for your support and patience |
| 15:44.46 | Wiz_KeeD | deeply apreciated! |
| 15:44.48 | jordanm | I didn't notice the missing 3 from the php module. you can probably pecl or pear install it |
| 15:45.15 | Wiz_KeeD | talking to me jordanm ? |
| 15:45.28 | stew | jordanm: the docs say that 3 is enabled by default in >= 5.3.0, but not whether or not it could be enabled in 5.2.x |
| 15:46.04 | jordanm | stew: yeah, i just read it was pulled from pecl on 5.2 because it was "experimental".... |
| 15:47.17 | nardev | HI, i have one bluetooth GPS receiver, can anyone suggest or help me find program/specifications or c/c++ library how to communicate with that device? Actually i would love to communicate with it from shell. |
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| 15:47.57 | jordanm | nardev: looks like the repos have a "libgps" |
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| 15:48.20 | jordanm | ,info libgps17 |
| 15:48.21 | judd | Package libgps17 (libs, optional) in lenny/i386: C library for communicating with GPS devices. Version: 2.37-7; Size: 90.9k; Installed: 224k; Homepage: http://gpsd.berlios.de/ |
| 15:48.21 | nardev | jordanm, thank you i'll, any oter suggestion? |
| 15:48.45 | jordanm | nardev: search the repos? |
| 15:49.14 | jordanm | !tell nardev about cross post |
| 15:50.12 | nardev | jordanm, ok.. i would like to have some "howto" about it.. |
| 15:50.24 | nardev | anyway, i hope this will be enough |
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| 15:50.37 | jordanm | nardev: it probably comes with some from of documentation |
| 15:52.03 | nardev | yea, some man pages i hope |
| 15:52.10 | nardev | installing it now... |
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| 15:52.57 | jordanm | nardev: /usr/share/doc/<package>/* |
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| 15:53.13 | nardev | :) i know bro |
| 15:53.14 | nardev | :) |
| 15:53.19 | thomaschaaf | I tried reprasing my question from earlier jordanm http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4681912/php-execute-command-as-subcommand |
| 15:53.32 | thewanderer1 | how to configure a sit IPv6 tunnel (tunnelbroker.net) in interfaces? |
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| 15:55.51 | thewanderer1 | thomaschaaf: you should use proc_open and proc_terminate for process control in long-running scripts (for example CLI) |
| 15:56.20 | thomaschaaf | thewanderer1: they are while(true) apps |
| 15:56.26 | thewanderer1 | thomaschaaf: the normal way to handle is fork and exec() anyway, but PHP lacks the facilities for exec() or execve() |
| 15:56.41 | thewanderer1 | so use proc_open and proc_terminate for child process control |
| 15:56.51 | thewanderer1 | this way you can easily send signals |
| 15:57.00 | thewanderer1 | thomaschaaf: what are you trying to accomplish, actually? |
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| 15:57.55 | prsn | I'm having an insanely hard time upgrading from 2.4 to 3.2 on debian |
| 15:58.03 | prsn | aptitude won't remove 2.4, and i eventually manually downloaded the .debs for 3.2 and have i think managed to install most of them, but all openoffice related commands still start up 2.4 |
| 15:58.06 | thomaschaaf | thewanderer1: someone pointed out, that & backgrounds the process and unhooks it from the current process.. |
| 15:58.10 | prsn | when i run aptitude remove openoffice.org, it just says 'no packages will be removed' |
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| 15:59.28 | thewanderer1 | thomaschaaf: yes, that's why you should not be using it for child process control |
| 16:00.05 | thomaschaaf | I want to have a master which spawns childs.. |
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| 16:00.22 | thomaschaaf | one child per twitter account e.g. |
| 16:00.23 | thewanderer1 | good, then make an array, and put the children resource variables into the array |
| 16:00.30 | abrotman | prsn: use a pastebin to show us |
| 16:00.57 | thewanderer1 | thomaschaaf: like this: $children[]=proc_open(arguments); |
| 16:01.01 | prsn | http://pastie.org/1456639 |
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| 16:01.06 | prsn | it's not too interesting ^^ |
| 16:01.30 | thewanderer1 | thomaschaaf: you can even make signal handlers listening for SIGCHLD which is sent when the child process exits |
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| 16:02.06 | thewanderer1 | thomaschaaf: and yes, you do specify file descriptors in proc_open so that you can have STDIN, STDOUT and STDERR |
| 16:03.03 | jordanm | prsn: looks like you didn't installl the meta package. aptitude remove '~i~nopenoffice.org.*' |
| 16:03.18 | jordanm | prsn: and just install the newer version from backports |
| 16:03.24 | jordanm | !tell prsn about bpo |
| 16:04.01 | prsn | ...that line wants to remove all the openoffice.org3 things i just installed, and nothing else |
| 16:04.18 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 16:04.36 | jordanm | prsn: yep, you should do that and use the debian backports packages |
| 16:04.52 | prsn | bah, ok |
| 16:04.53 | AlexC_ | got big problems here, one of our servers is coming up with many many many errors on the console about 'unable to read inode data', trouble is because these errors keep appearing I can't use the console since what I type goes out of the buffer straight away |
| 16:04.54 | prsn | though |
| 16:04.56 | AlexC_ | how on earth can I resolve this? |
| 16:04.57 | prsn | actually |
| 16:05.04 | prsn | that might not be an okay solution |
| 16:05.17 | prsn | because i really need this to work like, now, and my dl speed is very slow |
| 16:05.26 | jordanm | AlexC_: replace the drive. possibly a fsck. check smart -a /dev/foo |
| 16:05.27 | prsn | it took 40 minutes to download it last night |
| 16:05.52 | prsn | i have all the .debs, i should be able to do this |
| 16:05.56 | prsn | right? |
| 16:06.04 | jordanm | where did you get the .debs? |
| 16:06.10 | prsn | from openoffice.org |
| 16:06.10 | thomaschaaf | thewanderer1: http://pastie.org/1456652 ? |
| 16:06.23 | thomaschaaf | thewanderer1: is that what the result will be? |
| 16:06.27 | jordanm | prsn: not supported here. ask the openoffice channel |
| 16:06.34 | prsn | heh, i did |
| 16:06.37 | prsn | they told me to come here |
| 16:06.41 | thewanderer1 | thomaschaaf: yes, similar to that |
| 16:06.58 | prsn | also, wait |
| 16:06.59 | thomaschaaf | thewanderer1: is that the outcome with the execution times to? |
| 16:07.01 | jordanm | prsn: we don't support their packages. if they don't support their packages either, I recommend not using them |
| 16:07.13 | prsn | why is this not the right place to talk about how to use dpkg correctly? |
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| 16:07.31 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: it should only take as much time as is needed to spawn a child |
| 16:08.07 | nirazio | How do I take a screenshot of what is currently in vram? |
| 16:08.08 | jordanm | prsn: nope, unfortunetely this not a dumping grounds for dpkg related questins. debian support of debian provided software |
| 16:08.12 | jordanm | thewanderer1: huh? |
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| 16:08.23 | prsn | isn't that what dpkg is? |
| 16:08.24 | Rienzilla | AlexC_: tghere is a sysrq key combination to limit the kernel's error output to the console |
| 16:08.33 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: sorry, I meant to send that to thomaschaaf |
| 16:08.41 | Rienzilla | alt sysrq 0 iirc for silence , but look it up on google |
| 16:08.43 | prsn | my point is that i don't think it's an issue with their packages |
| 16:08.50 | prsn | i think it's an issue with my knowledge of dpkg |
| 16:09.14 | jordanm | prsn: I would start downloading from bpo now if its going to take 40min |
| 16:09.36 | jordanm | prsn: it sounds like they setup their packages in a poor way so that it installed concurrently with 2.x |
| 16:09.45 | jordanm | prsn: we don't support poorly packaged 3rd party .debs |
| 16:09.46 | prsn | in particular: when it says "setting up [foo]" and seems to succeed, but then the obvious command isn't in my path, where should I look? |
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| 16:11.03 | prsn | also, another part of this that's squarely in the domain of debian-supported packages, is why does 'sudo aptitude remove openoffice.org' not uninstall 2.4? |
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| 16:11.21 | jordanm | prsn: because you don't have the meta package installed |
| 16:11.33 | jordanm | prsn: openoffice.org is not a real package |
| 16:11.34 | jordanm | !meta |
| 16:11.39 | jordanm | !meta package |
| 16:11.51 | prsn | did the bot die? |
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| 16:12.01 | jordanm | no, I just don't remember the factoid |
| 16:12.48 | thewanderer1 | I have: `ip tunnel add he-ipv6 mode sit remote X.X.X.X local Y.Y.Y.Y ttl 255`; I need: entry in /etc/network/interfaces... how to translate it from one to another? |
| 16:13.01 | prsn | okay. can you tell me how to find out where dpkg put things when it says it has successfully configured them? |
| 16:13.19 | prsn | i believe there is a working binary of openoffice 3.2 somewhere on my system right now and i would really like to run it |
| 16:13.42 | ansgar | prsn: `dpkg -L <package>' will show which files were installed. |
| 16:13.46 | prsn | thanks |
| 16:14.56 | ansgar | thewanderer1: man interfaces, see the v4tunnel method. |
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| 16:15.38 | thewanderer1 | ansgar: I just see no resemblance of name v4tunnel to sit, hence my question |
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| 16:17.03 | Linuxisforidiots | why is linux such an inescure terribly coded slapdash piece of shit ? |
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| 16:17.40 | ShakeyJake | drive-by rhetorical question. |
| 16:17.43 | cahoot | missing a spellchecker too for good measure |
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| 16:18.45 | thewanderer1 | hmm... I don't know what my interface gets configured as if I set type to v4tunnel in interfaces |
| 16:18.48 | guzu | hello all |
| 16:19.13 | guzu | how can i change grub2 menu from text to picture? |
| 16:19.26 | guzu | the menu, that is |
| 16:20.01 | thewanderer1 | guzu: do you want a background image? |
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| 16:21.17 | guzu | yes, the one with stars, etc :) |
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| 16:21.49 | thewanderer1 | I'll boot my VM and have a look] |
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| 16:23.22 | guzu | thewanderer1, i've just found that: http://lukewickstead.wordpress.com/2010/12/12/how-to-change-background-gdm-3-and-grub-2-themes-in-debian-squeeze/ |
| 16:23.46 | prsn | holy crap i made it work. dpkg -L only got me so far, since it kept claiming that the packages weren't actually installed, but it pointed me to /opt/openoffice.org3 on one that was, and running the binary found there worked... |
| 16:24.07 | prsn | perhaps their packages are a disgusting mess, but i just need it to go.. |
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| 16:24.31 | Optic | is there a good way to install Debian on a running windows box? |
| 16:24.39 | Optic | I have a bunch of windows machines I want to convert to Debian remotely :) |
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| 16:24.46 | thomaschaaf | thewanderer1: thanks! for everything seems to actually work :) *yey* |
| 16:25.14 | thewanderer1 | guzu: good, saving me launching a VM :P |
| 16:25.16 | Optic | I tried dding a filesystem image over the beginning of the hard drive on the running Windows system, but it always ends up getting corrupted for some reason :) :) |
| 16:25.27 | guzu | Optic, you can dump the filesystem onto partition and then you only have to figure out how to put grub there |
| 16:25.43 | guzu | thewanderer1, thank you :) |
| 16:26.11 | guzu | there's no chroot in windows, right? |
| 16:26.14 | guzu | :) |
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| 16:26.20 | thewanderer1 | Optic: hmm... there was once http://goodbye-microsoft.com or org which served Debian installers as win32 executables |
| 16:26.44 | thewanderer1 | but now they're offering gNewSense... |
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| 16:27.08 | pLr | thewanderer1: http://www.goodbye-windows.com/ |
| 16:27.24 | thewanderer1 | oh this, right |
| 16:27.29 | Optic | hmm! |
| 16:27.32 | Optic | I will check it out :) |
| 16:27.54 | pLr | try boot.kernel.org its my fav |
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| 16:28.43 | thewanderer1 | Optic: if doing full remote installs without KVM-over-IP, you might need to hack that a little, configure preseeding or at least some remote SSH installer |
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| 16:29.17 | Optic | thewanderer: my initital idea was to dump on a small disk image which would boot up into linux and provision the rest of the system |
| 16:29.34 | Optic | but I can't seem to dump on a disk image without corruption... I might have to do it a "nice" way :) |
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| 16:31.22 | mmp | any idea what could cause that? |
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| 16:34.14 | qotsa | I'm trying to install Debian with the netinstall image on an existing lvm+luks setup. How can I do that? There is no cryptsetup command in the busybox shell... |
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| 16:35.08 | pLr | qotsa: ur doing something wrong because the netinstall i used did not boot to busybox |
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| 16:35.43 | qotsa | pLr: I chose the "expert install" option and the chose start a shell. |
| 16:36.03 | jordanm | !luks |
| 16:36.03 | dpkg | LUKS: Linux Unified Key Setup, a disk encryption specification with a platform-independent format. http://code.google.com/p/cryptsetup/ . To access on win32 systems, see http://freeotfe.org/ and ask me about <ext2fsd>. |
| 16:36.21 | pLr | qotsa: oh.. sry i cant help :( |
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| 16:36.40 | jordanm | qotsa: since you really only need /home /tmp and swap encrypted, you can do that after installation |
| 16:37.37 | qotsa | I have everything encrypted except a 100 MB /boot partition and I would like to keep this setup, I'm sure there is a way to do it... |
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| 16:39.12 | jordanm | qotsa: IMO encrypting / is asking for trouble with perhaps no gain at all |
| 16:39.49 | pLr | jordanm: its stable for me :p |
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| 16:40.14 | jordanm | pLr: until that one day you generate a new initrd and it fails to boot |
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| 16:40.22 | Adriaan | is there anything special i need to do in order to boot from an LVM root? |
| 16:40.36 | Adriaan | (to initrd or ramfs?) |
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| 16:40.44 | jordanm | Adriaan: have lvm in the initrd, but d-i should handle that |
| 16:41.13 | pipeline | the installer will set up the whole kit and kaboodle for you |
| 16:41.25 | Adriaan | jordanm, sorry i'm not so familiar with Debian, what is d-i? |
| 16:41.33 | jordanm | Adriaan: the debian installer |
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| 16:42.02 | qotsa | jordanm: I'm running such a setup for years now with no problems. But apart from that I'm pretty sure, the Debian installer _would_ recognize the logical volumes inside my luks disk if I could just do a cryptsetup luksOpen but the busybox shell doesn't have this command. |
| 16:42.06 | Adriaan | jordanm, i'm with an existing system here in which i moved the root to the LVM |
| 16:43.02 | jordanm | Adriaan: so whats the problem? |
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| 16:43.49 | Adriaan | jordanm, thinking that in the installation procedure there was no need to add lvm support to initrd so the Debian installer may not have added it |
| 16:44.23 | jordanm | Adriaan: I have a feeling it would have been added if you had lvm installed and any point of generating a new initrd with say, a kernel upgrade |
| 16:44.48 | d-b-phone | the d-i will give you a eorking system |
| 16:45.15 | d-b-phone | s/eorking/working/ |
| 16:45.50 | Adriaan | jordanm, sounds reasonable, i'm with RAID1 anyway so I can always revert back when things don't work out |
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| 16:45.58 | Adriaan | jordanm, thank you ;) |
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| 16:48.41 | simonrvn | you can add binaries to initrds that get built on your system, just gotta tweak things a bit |
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| 16:49.36 | _sho_ | how can i set up debian to route to a 10 network when asked to? |
| 16:50.05 | d-b-phone | _sho_: like? |
| 16:50.11 | _sho_ | i have a regular network, and then i want to hit 10 network addresses across the same interface |
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| 16:50.38 | _sho_ | route add -net 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw x.x.x.x eth0 <- what ive tried |
| 16:50.43 | d-b-phone | _sho_: so 10 different routes or 10 i[s |
| 16:50.46 | _sho_ | it doesnt seem to work |
| 16:51.02 | thewanderer1 | _sho_: it's not "gw" but "dev" - read the help, at least |
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| 16:51.23 | thewanderer1 | also, `route` is obsolete, use ip instead |
| 16:51.26 | jmarsden | _sho_: Usually a 10.0.0.0 network is a /8 so you need a netmask of 255.0.0.0 too |
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| 16:51.43 | thewanderer1 | ^ well that depends |
| 16:51.47 | d-b-phone | thewanderer1: be nice :) |
| 16:51.51 | _sho_ | we only control a class c of that 10 net |
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| 16:51.53 | jhutchins_lt | jmarsden: No, you can subnet 10.0.0.0 to a class c. |
| 16:51.54 | petemc | i dont think its usual that someone uses all of 10.0.0.0/8 |
| 16:52.02 | d-b-phone | +1 |
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| 16:52.27 | thewanderer1 | _sho_: `ip route add 10.0.0.0/24 dev eth0` |
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| 16:52.44 | jhutchins_lt | At some level you do route the /8 - that's why ipv4 works on the internet but ipv6 doesn't. |
| 16:52.55 | _sho_ | ip not installed. what package is it part of |
| 16:52.59 | d-b-phone | thewanderer1: hum and he wont need an ip for that network.. |
| 16:53.21 | d-b-phone | _sho_: iproute2 iirc |
| 16:53.35 | thewanderer1 | d-b-phone: that was the point, right? |
| 16:53.50 | d-b-phone | thewanderer1: i hope so :) |
| 16:54.12 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: hmm, ipv6 works reasonably well for me on the Internet :P |
| 16:54.15 | d-b-phone | but he hasnt asked how to more than 1 ip on a nic |
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| 16:55.00 | thewanderer1 | and I didn't provide an answer to that :P |
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| 16:55.11 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Yes, but you're running over tunneled dual-stack, and that is proving VERY problemic as people try to link the whole net. |
| 16:55.15 | _sho_ | the ip route failed as well |
| 16:55.42 | d-b-phone | _sho_: ifconfig ethX:1 10.0.0.5/16 |
| 16:55.55 | simonrvn | ,info iproute |
| 16:55.56 | judd | Package iproute (net, important) in lenny/i386: networking and traffic control tools. Version: 20080725-2; Size: 354.8k; Installed: 920k; Homepage: http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/Net:Iproute2 |
| 16:55.59 | thewanderer1 | _sho_: well, what are you trying to route the packets through? |
| 16:56.05 | simonrvn | _sho_: ^^ |
| 16:56.05 | d-b-phone | e.g. ---> the old way add an ip on an interface |
| 16:56.09 | thewanderer1 | _sho_: or actually what are you trying to achieve? |
| 16:57.02 | _sho_ | i dont want to add a 10 net alias to my interface. i just want to hit ips in that network. the port in the switch supposedly spans both networks, so adding one should be unneccesary |
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| 16:57.27 | _sho_ | but ill be damned if i can hit one no matter what ive tried |
| 16:57.32 | d-b-phone | i think you dont understand networking |
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| 16:57.37 | d-b-phone | but ok |
| 16:57.55 | thewanderer1 | to "hit ips" meaning what? |
| 16:58.09 | simonrvn | have a hammer? |
| 16:58.10 | _sho_ | hit that network. |
| 16:58.17 | _sho_ | normally i just add a route and its fine |
| 16:58.22 | d-b-phone | simonrvn: a big one |
| 16:58.31 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 16:58.53 | thewanderer1 | look, you need a router to access another network :P |
| 16:59.11 | d-b-phone | that or be part of it |
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| 16:59.32 | d-b-phone | do you have a lvl3 switch? |
| 16:59.35 | _sho_ | yes |
| 16:59.45 | thewanderer1 | so... set it as your gateway |
| 16:59.57 | thewanderer1 | ip route add 10.0.0.0/24 via gateway_address |
| 17:00.00 | _sho_ | hm, didnt think of that. one sec |
| 17:00.11 | thewanderer1 | gateway_address must be accessible at the time of route creation by another route |
| 17:00.13 | d-b-phone | facepalm |
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| 17:01.02 | d-b-phone | _sho_: you may need to drop sny routes you added |
| 17:01.17 | d-b-phone | any* |
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| 17:01.20 | _sho_ | no, its not responding. sigh. ill have to log into the switch to see whats going on. supposedly its vland |
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| 17:02.09 | _sho_ | thanks tho for the help :) |
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| 17:06.32 | pengwyn | raq4 debian? |
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| 17:07.49 | pengwyn | debhelper help |
| 17:07.55 | pengwyn | !debhelper help |
| 17:08.08 | themill | pengwyn: try asking a question |
| 17:08.29 | pengwyn | up to date debian on a raq 4 ? |
| 17:08.38 | pengwyn | path |
| 17:08.57 | pengwyn | just asking like you said |
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| 17:09.18 | themill | is still searching for a question |
| 17:09.29 | pengwyn | I am not getting it okay you meant the bot |
| 17:09.37 | pengwyn | !debhelper raq 4 |
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| 17:09.45 | d-b-phone | pengwyn: no |
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| 17:09.57 | pengwyn | okay my bad sry |
| 17:10.00 | themill | pengwyn: is there a language other than English that you would be more comfortable using? |
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| 17:10.18 | pengwyn | I like GB |
| 17:10.25 | pengwyn | do you have that ;o) |
| 17:10.34 | d-b-phone | gb? |
| 17:11.26 | pengwyn | d-b-phone- both of us were sarcastic |
| 17:12.01 | themill | I'm not being sarcastic. |
| 17:12.04 | d-b-phone | um....ok |
| 17:12.25 | pengwyn | debian on the "raq 4i" |
| 17:12.31 | pengwyn | specific enough? |
| 17:12.47 | d-b-phone | pengwyn: whats a raq 4i |
| 17:12.49 | pengwyn | updated debian on the "raq 4i" |
| 17:12.51 | themill | pengwyn: what about it? What do you want to know? Try asking a question. |
| 17:13.11 | d-b-phone | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 17:13.12 | themill | pengwyn: hint: where the verb? |
| 17:13.18 | d-b-phone | perhaps? |
| 17:13.21 | pengwyn | any 20G winimage file to get me up and running? |
| 17:13.49 | d-b-phone | pengwyn: what are you installing debian onto? |
| 17:14.00 | pengwyn | d-b-phone- problem is it won't boot cause of the ROM |
| 17:14.34 | pengwyn | and yes it's flashed to the....cobalt-2.10.3-ext3-1M.rom |
| 17:14.50 | d-b-phone | pengwyn: great a opoblem! |
| 17:14.50 | d-b-phone | problem* |
| 17:15.15 | d-b-phone | pengwyn: what hardware is this exactly? |
| 17:15.55 | pengwyn | tried blueonyx, tried bluequartz, tried centos 4.8 I can't get the kernel /boot /root to work right, so I am wondering if there is a debian (up to date) which can run on this raq 4i |
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| 17:16.33 | pengwyn | cobalt raq 4i AMD 450 1 G ram 20G hard disc |
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| 17:16.50 | pengwyn | wait |
| 17:16.56 | ShakeyJake | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt_RaQ ??????? |
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| 17:17.43 | ShakeyJake | there is a picture of one running debian there, so I'm going to guess 'yes' |
| 17:18.06 | d-b-phone | interesting hardware |
| 17:18.26 | pengwyn | cobalt pacifica AMD-K6(tm)-III Processor |
| 17:18.26 | pengwyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.27 | pengwyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.27 | pengwyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.27 | pengwyn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:18.39 | d-b-phone | ok so pengwyn does any linux work on it? |
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| 17:19.52 | thewanderer1 | d-b-phone: the device runs stock Linux, it seems, but dumbed-down and with a lame WebUI :P |
| 17:20.06 | d-b-phone | thewanderer1: ok |
| 17:20.14 | ShakeyJake | you guys know he's gone, right? |
| 17:20.18 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 17:20.23 | d-b-phone | looks neat tho -- no bios |
| 17:20.27 | d-b-phone | ShakeyJake: yep |
| 17:20.31 | thewanderer1 | but he'll be back when he reflects on his pasting |
| 17:20.46 | d-b-phone | i hope |
| 17:20.52 | ShakeyJake | cool, just making sure. I'm sure he will see the error of his ways and rejoin |
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| 17:21.16 | pengwyn | i'll be sure to not do that again |
| 17:21.19 | d-b-phone | ok so pengwyn does any linux work on it? |
| 17:21.32 | pengwyn | yep, it's up now |
| 17:21.36 | pengwyn | LFS |
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| 17:21.56 | thewanderer1 | pengwyn: http://www.timntina.com/debian-sarge-cobalt-install - tried this howto, for example? |
| 17:22.11 | pengwyn | can sarge be protected these days? |
| 17:22.14 | thewanderer1 | pengwyn: note that you can boot Debian-Installer from PXE even easier |
| 17:22.24 | thewanderer1 | it's just some generic tutorial |
| 17:22.27 | d-b-phone | pengwyn: not really |
| 17:22.30 | thewanderer1 | does netboot work for you? |
| 17:22.41 | d-b-phone | cant run a 2.6 kernel? |
| 17:23.02 | pengwyn | no cdrom, serial consol works I have imaging things like USB to ide |
| 17:23.11 | jordanm | RHEL 3 is probably the only still supported 2.4 distro |
| 17:23.16 | pengwyn | 20G image would rock |
| 17:23.21 | thewanderer1 | pengwyn: okay, but does PXE boot work? :P |
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| 17:23.24 | d-b-phone | jordanm: and openwall |
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| 17:23.52 | pengwyn | thewanderer1- I think that would be the ROM? |
| 17:24.44 | thewanderer1 | pengwyn: that would be a function of your firmware. alternatively, you can install Debian on the IDE disk via the USB bridge using debian-installer (native) and boot from that |
| 17:25.26 | pengwyn | thewanderer1- yep exactly, still needs a special kernel |
| 17:25.34 | pengwyn | to get it runnin |
| 17:25.38 | thewanderer1 | pengwyn: special kernel? you can compile it |
| 17:25.45 | thewanderer1 | what kind of kernel does it need? |
| 17:25.55 | pengwyn | the one I got kicked posting |
| 17:25.59 | thewanderer1 | (cause I assume the userspace is i386) |
| 17:26.06 | pengwyn | y |
| 17:26.16 | thewanderer1 | just a custom kernel config, or a specific version? |
| 17:26.32 | pengwyn | running, then I can compile |
| 17:26.49 | thewanderer1 | you can compile before running :P |
| 17:27.05 | d-b-phone | pengwyn: you can build a kernel on another box |
| 17:27.16 | thewanderer1 | or even in the chroot of the Debian's root fs |
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| 17:27.27 | pengwyn | d-b-phone- a vm? |
| 17:27.38 | pengwyn | or which vm |
| 17:27.54 | thewanderer1 | well you can use any means that get you a working kernel |
| 17:27.57 | pengwyn | I do build it on "another box" |
| 17:28.07 | pengwyn | yep |
| 17:28.07 | d-b-phone | pengwyn: um.. do you have a use for it running debian? |
| 17:28.22 | pengwyn | is kdx a reason? |
| 17:28.50 | d-b-phone | no idea what that is butcprobably |
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| 17:29.23 | pengwyn | the problem is the kernel eh? |
| 17:29.31 | pengwyn | so it has to be behind something. |
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| 17:30.32 | pengwyn | kdx will face the web |
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| 17:31.00 | pengwyn | it already runs |
| 17:31.08 | pengwyn | on the hardware |
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| 17:31.39 | zach23 | Is there a way to not have servers hang on a NFS failure? Both our app servers (app2 is mounting from app1) just stopped responding |
| 17:31.42 | discozohan | what mta should i use ? postfix ? |
| 17:31.57 | d-b-phone | zach23: mount -o soft |
| 17:32.01 | pengwyn | don't knock your brains out on this. It's all good I been at it for awhile now |
| 17:32.17 | pengwyn | ignore me |
| 17:32.20 | zach23 | d-b-phone: what does this do precisely? |
| 17:32.21 | thewanderer1 | zach23: or -o hard,intr |
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| 17:32.35 | thewanderer1 | zach23: man nfs |
| 17:32.39 | d-b-phone | discozohan: postfix is nice |
| 17:33.09 | thewanderer1 | recommend(postfix); //me likes it as well |
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| 17:33.11 | pengwyn | I like the 20mm fans |
| 17:33.32 | pengwyn | peace drop the search. |
| 17:34.02 | pengwyn | I will try the old way when I dig up my discs or I will do it this way. |
| 17:34.25 | d-b-phone | pengwyn: i was going to say it might be worth the effort .. |
| 17:34.25 | thewanderer1 | well perhaps just using debian-installer is too easy :) |
| 17:34.34 | d-b-phone | might not* |
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| 17:34.38 | pengwyn | too bad netbsd won't run on it |
| 17:35.03 | pengwyn | that's the other use |
| 17:35.04 | zach23 | thewanderer1: I have this in /etc/fstab - app1:/data /data nfs rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,intr 0 0... how would I add soft in there? |
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| 17:35.33 | thewanderer1 | zach23: intr,hard -- soft is not needed with intr |
| 17:35.37 | pengwyn | I love debian. |
| 17:35.52 | pengwyn | I still have a debian box around here somewhere |
| 17:36.04 | thewanderer1 | zach23: so as you can see you just append a comma and another option |
| 17:36.06 | zach23 | thewanderer1: like this: /data /data nfs rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,intr,hard 0 0 |
| 17:36.18 | thewanderer1 | yes, something like this |
| 17:36.22 | thewanderer1 | or ,soft |
| 17:36.28 | pengwyn | I was thinking partial expose the debian box with port knocking |
| 17:36.35 | d-b-phone | pengwyn: do you have any other exotic hardwarerunning debian? |
| 17:36.37 | pengwyn | netbsd in front |
| 17:36.53 | pengwyn | yea a bbs |
| 17:37.02 | pengwyn | from modem to ether |
| 17:37.16 | zach23 | thewanderer1 - sorry just want to make sure - is this okay? app1:/data /data nfs rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14, initr 0 0, soft |
| 17:37.19 | d-b-phone | pengwyn: join debian-offtopic tho |
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| 17:37.34 | pengwyn | minicom serial port to serial port okay I'll leave peace |
| 17:37.43 | d-b-phone | because this isa support channel |
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| 17:37.58 | thewanderer1 | zach23: err you borked the line :P |
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| 17:38.48 | zach23 | thewanderer1: ? how should I do it so it doesn't hang? |
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| 17:39.29 | thewanderer1 | zach23: try using "soft" so that your applications will get I/O errors after disconnect |
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| 17:39.43 | thewanderer1 | with hard it will be possible to terminate the processes in I/O sleep on NFS, but manually only |
| 17:39.54 | zach23 | thewanderer1: that's what i had in the line... app1:/data /data nfs rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14, initr 0 0, soft |
| 17:39.58 | zach23 | initr 0 0, soft |
| 17:40.17 | thewanderer1 | app1:/data /data nfs rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,intr,soft 0 0 |
| 17:40.20 | thewanderer1 | sth like this |
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| 17:40.28 | zach23 | what is the 0 0? |
| 17:40.32 | thewanderer1 | zach23: man fstab |
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| 17:41.54 | zach23 | thewanderer1: i don't know why the server load shot up on app01 to the point where I couldn't even log in to the machine |
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| 17:42.49 | thewanderer1 | zach23: perhaps it has poor error handling routines |
| 17:43.03 | zach23 | thewanderer1: I upgraded libc6 the other day on debian, that shouldn't matter should it? |
| 17:43.35 | zach23 | thewanderer1: i see this http://pastebin.com/tA4i2iwZ |
| 17:44.09 | zach23 | thewanderer1: I remounted the drive - how do I see if the soft option took? I tried mount -l but not much info |
| 17:44.27 | zach23 | thewanderer1: oh no, i lied. there is soft in there |
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| 17:46.07 | d-b-phone | zach23: oh |
| 17:46.20 | d-b-phone | whats the ap that hangs? |
| 17:46.41 | d-b-phone | perhaps focus on keeping nfs stable tho |
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| 17:46.57 | thewanderer1 | yeah, it's a kernel bug |
| 17:47.01 | zach23 | d-b-phone: our own app - httpd...java and perl writes to the /data/ directory - same app writing to app01 and app02 |
| 17:47.23 | zach23 | thewanderer1: but we're not doing anything crazy..just writing to the same /data directory - standard nfs setup |
| 17:47.35 | thewanderer1 | what kernel version? |
| 17:47.37 | d-b-phone | zach23: fix it in your code :P |
| 17:47.49 | thewanderer1 | and yes, randomly updating libc6 might matter |
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| 17:48.35 | zach23 | thewanderer1: well i updated libc6 (this is lenny) - how do i downgrade it back - or is that not a good thing to do now? |
| 17:49.06 | thewanderer1 | downgrades can do more harm than broken upgrades... |
| 17:49.14 | thewanderer1 | what did you update it to? |
| 17:49.17 | d-b-phone | thewanderer1: :P |
| 17:49.41 | d-b-phone | dont downgrade libc without balls |
| 17:49.58 | d-b-phone | ldconfig will go awol LP |
| 17:50.12 | d-b-phone | :P * |
| 17:50.13 | zach23 | just through dist-upgrade |
| 17:50.16 | zach23 | a few days ago |
| 17:50.19 | zach23 | before the problems started |
| 17:50.42 | d-b-phone | zach23: oh so the problem is with squeeze? |
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| 17:51.45 | zach23 | d-b-phone: no im on etch..i just did a dist-upgrade the other day and it wanted me to do libc6 and locales (which i did) |
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| 17:52.02 | d-b-phone | zach23: etch isnt supported |
| 17:52.13 | d-b-phone | upgrade to lenny! |
| 17:52.15 | zach23 | sorry sorry |
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| 17:52.16 | zach23 | lenny |
| 17:52.18 | zach23 | im on lenny |
| 17:52.40 | d-b-phone | so squeeze ? |
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| 17:52.53 | d-b-phone | or you just upgraded |
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| 17:52.58 | ShakeyJake | hi guys, im still having issues installing squeeze to my netbook. Ive tried a netinstall and a cd image, both booted though an sdcard that i created using unetbootin. 4 times (2 each) it has failed at around 66% of installing software, roughly on python. It generates the error 'WARNING **: Menu item 'pkgsel' failed.' |
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| 17:53.44 | zach23 | d-b-phone: no just upgraded through apt (no squeeze) |
| 17:53.50 | karlpinc | ShakeyJake: Press alt-f3 (or maybe f4 -- the 2 keys at the same time and see what the logs say. Do a "df -h" in alt-f2 to see if the disk is full. |
| 17:53.51 | thewanderer1 | ShakeyJake: why unetbootin when you can image the card using hd media images? |
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| 17:54.04 | thewanderer1 | (yes, do try karlpinc's suggestion first) |
| 17:54.17 | d-b-phone | zach23: you might need a 'reboot' |
| 17:54.39 | karlpinc | ShakeyJake: Also, fyi.... |
| 17:54.44 | ShakeyJake | karlpinc: it is altf4 that generates that error, the disks are not full using that method |
| 17:54.49 | karlpinc | !tell ShakeyJake about overview |
| 17:54.55 | simonrvn | zach23: what does your sources.list say? |
| 17:54.58 | zach23 | d-b-phone: done yesterday but today it still hung up... |
| 17:55.11 | zach23 | simonrvn: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main |
| 17:55.11 | d-b-phone | zach23: mm weird |
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| 17:55.20 | simonrvn | that's it? |
| 17:55.32 | zach23 | simonrvn: and deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main |
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| 17:55.34 | karlpinc | ShakeyJake: Well the logs might say what happened. Otherwise, I'd follow the install instructions in the install guide to be sure that you're doing something that works. |
| 17:55.52 | ShakeyJake | thewandered1: the hd media images? i am using an incorrect way to set up the sd card? |
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| 17:57.08 | simonrvn | zach23: so what's the problem exactly? |
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| 17:58.16 | zach23 | simonrvn: yesterday both app servers came to a screeching halt due to what i think is nfs. it ran perfectly fine for a while but again today, it froze up. after reboot i checked the logs: http://pastebin.com/tA4i2iwZ |
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| 17:59.01 | zach23 | simonrvn: app02 is mounting /data from app01. nothing fancy... here's the mount line (I just put in soft): app01:/data /data nfs rsize=8192,wsize=8192,timeo=14,intr,soft 0 0 |
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| 18:00.08 | thewanderer1 | ShakeyJake: I was just saying that if you're using USB pendrive images to put on the SD card, you can do that equally well with standard hd-media images of Debian-Installer |
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| 18:00.50 | d-b-phone | thewanderer1: or just dd tge new iso hybrids :P |
| 18:00.50 | d-b-phone | the* |
| 18:01.00 | thewanderer1 | yes, that too |
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| 18:03.19 | zach23 | thewanderer1 and d-b-phone : do you guys think it could be libc6? |
| 18:03.43 | d-b-phone | zach23: well id need more info |
| 18:04.00 | d-b-phone | like wirk out why nfs broke |
| 18:04.03 | thewanderer1 | zach23: it might be everything... especially the kernel and libc |
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| 18:04.13 | ShakeyJake | thewanderer1: i have to confess im finsing the myriad different install options confusing, i was following this: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallUsingStandardInstaller , but the image there is 404. therefore i had no confidence that "The images must match otherwise the install won't find the ISO, you will get kernel mismatch problems, or it just won't boot. " so i substituted a unetbootin method |
| 18:04.22 | d-b-phone | because i have ever had issues on lenny with nfs |
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| 18:05.33 | ShakeyJake | thewanderer1: so if I'm here: which image is the hdmedia one? the 'other images' under 'weekly snapshot of debian testing' |
| 18:05.44 | zach23 | thewanderer1: well I just did an dist-upgrade on lenny the other day - so if they pushed out a bad libc6 - how do i know im running the latest kernel on lenny? maybe that's it - im running an older version? |
| 18:05.55 | zach23 | I'm running 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
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| 18:06.34 | thewanderer1 | zach23: looks pretty current |
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| 18:07.58 | thewanderer1 | ShakeyJake: yes, hd-media under other images |
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| 18:12.36 | ShakeyJake | thewanderer1: maybe im being really stupid, but i cant see one. i get: [amd64][armel][hppa][kfreebsd-i386][kfreebsd-amd64][i386][ia64][mips][mipsel][powerpc][sparc][s390] |
| 18:13.00 | thewanderer1 | so choose your architecture... |
| 18:13.08 | ShakeyJake | i386 |
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| 18:13.27 | ShakeyJake | its just that one? i was looking for a specific [hdmedia] |
| 18:13.35 | thewanderer1 | browse further... |
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| 18:14.12 | ShakeyJake | ah ha, silly me. now i get the hdmedia folder with bootimg, initrd and vmlinuz |
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| 18:14.26 | thewanderer1 | or you can use the Squeeze hybrid ISO |
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| 18:14.46 | ShakeyJake | so its just a case of putting those on the sd card? |
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| 18:15.55 | shirish | Hi all, I'm trying to make an application which has a makefile and I'm getting some strange error |
| 18:16.03 | thewanderer1 | you have to do that according to the installation manual, ShakeyJake |
| 18:16.13 | thewanderer1 | alternatively you could use a Squeeze Live hybrid iso |
| 18:16.17 | thewanderer1 | it contains the installers now |
| 18:16.38 | ShakeyJake | excellent, ill try grabing these files then, thanks for the help wanderer :-) |
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| 18:16.40 | thewanderer1 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_live_rc1/i386/iso-hybrid/ |
| 18:16.52 | shirish | $ make pdfbook |
| 18:16.52 | shirish | cc -Wall -g -O2 pdfbook.c -o pdfbook |
| 18:16.52 | shirish | /tmp/ccocoYqg.o: In function `make_tempdir': |
| 18:16.53 | shirish | /usr/local/src/pdfbook/pdfbook.c:92: warning: the use of `tempnam' is dangerous, better use `mkstemp' |
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| 18:19.20 | shirish | hi all, can anybody tell me what I'm doing wrong, I'm trying to make an app. called pdfbook and I'm getting some strange error |
| 18:19.21 | shirish | http://paste.debian.net/104544/ |
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| 18:20.26 | thewanderer1 | shirish: it's just a warning... |
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| 18:22.34 | shirish | thewanderer1: thanks, what does 'mkstemp' mean though ? |
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| 18:23.26 | thewanderer1 | shirish: some C function, google it |
| 18:23.34 | thewanderer1 | or use man command :P |
| 18:23.36 | jason_ | Does anyone have any experience with Duplicity... Ive written a script thats not working as expacted |
| 18:23.36 | stew | shirish: "man tempnam", "man mkstemp" if you have the manpages-dev package installed |
| 18:23.59 | stew | shirish: there are security concerns with using tempnam, and the recommandation is to replace calls to tempnam with mkstemp instead |
| 18:24.22 | mhi^ | Hey, is there a list of Debian-specific IRC channels? (Right now I'm looking for the Java team.) |
| 18:24.44 | shirish | stew: oh ok, so this is to do something with make and some rules for make if I'm not getting it wrong. |
| 18:25.04 | stew | shirish: no, its a problem in pdfbook.c on line 92 |
| 18:25.12 | karlpinc | !tell jason_ about anyone |
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| 18:25.24 | stew | shirish: if you look at that line, tempnam is probably being called, and that code should be reworked to use mkstemp instead |
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| 18:26.43 | shirish | stew: not my cup of tea but can pass that along |
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| 18:27.39 | Aimer | hi, i have problem with rtl8139, i added an new network card on pci, but it doesn't work |
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| 18:30.11 | d-b-phone | AimHere: just return it |
| 18:30.16 | LaptopBrain | my damn server has just bruised my fingernail :/ |
| 18:30.27 | LaptopBrain | serve me right for taking the lid of a running rackmount server and sticking my fingers in to find out what part is broken and vibrating |
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| 18:30.35 | d-b-phone | get a e1000 / e100 based intel nic |
| 18:30.37 | LaptopBrain | turned out it was the floppy drive which i have unplugged (seriously, who uses one of those these days?!) but before i found that out one of the big chunky cube shaped fans had a damn good go at eating a chunk of my fingertip! |
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| 18:30.57 | Joint | Hello i have a question how come everytime i try to view my CGI files in my apache2 i get this error in my browser saying, Forbidden |
| 18:30.57 | Joint | You don't have permission to access /cgi.pl on this server. |
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| 18:31.28 | simonrvn | bah, good for nothing proxy.... |
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| 18:31.46 | ekwqewhjk | ##politics is a family friendly channel. We are currently discussing the Arizona shooter who the liberal media is saying was a tea partier. Everyone knows liberals are degenerate losers who will take a moment of tragedy to twist it to their own gains. Please join ##politics NOW and voice your support for the NEW REPUBLICAN MAJORITY! ekwqewhjk _ropak_ Texou Joint gusto myu2 mentor cpf_ cga drinkycrow jason_ mhi^ usn Gilde starenka ROlds shirish p3rror Absi |
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| 18:31.52 | qwerty1234 | ##politics is a family friendly channel. We are currently discussing the Arizona shooter who the liberal media is saying was a tea partier. Everyone knows liberals are degenerate losers who will take a moment of tragedy to twist it to their own gains. Please join ##politics NOW and voice your support for the NEW REPUBLICAN MAJORITY! qwerty1234 _ropak_ Texou Joint gusto myu2 mentor cpf_ cga drinkycrow jason_ mhi^ usn Gilde starenka ROlds shirish p3rror Absin |
| 18:31.55 | guzu | LaptopBrain, it's useful when you wanna do non standard bios updates |
| 18:31.57 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 18:31.59 | karlpinc | !ops spam |
| 18:31.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: karlpinc complains about: spam |
| 18:32.00 | Joint | wtf? |
| 18:32.00 | simonrvn | pats the bot |
| 18:32.04 | *** mode/#debian [+r] by mentor |
| 18:32.09 | simonrvn | karlpinc: the bot is handling it |
| 18:32.14 | simonrvn | and mentor =) |
| 18:32.16 | Joint | what does my question have to do with politics? |
| 18:32.23 | karlpinc | simonrvn: Ok. Thanks. How do I know so I don't bother the ops? |
| 18:32.25 | simonrvn | Joint: ignore that |
| 18:32.30 | Joint | true that, |
| 18:32.36 | mentor | idoru is kicking them |
| 18:32.37 | simonrvn | [Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] |
| 18:32.38 | stew | karlpinc: see the "Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode)) |
| 18:32.44 | mentor | You can see it in their quite message |
| 18:32.49 | Joint | can someone help me with my issue please? |
| 18:32.52 | mentor | s/kicking/killing/ |
| 18:33.00 | simonrvn | and quick thinking by mentor to set the chan +r |
| 18:33.06 | Spec | Joint: should ask in #httpd |
| 18:33.07 | d-b-phone | mentor: new botnet? |
| 18:33.13 | Spec | d-b-phone: no, it's not new. |
| 18:33.18 | thewanderer1 | Joint: see the apache error log... |
| 18:33.21 | stew | Joint: check the log on the server side. it should tell you exactly what file it is trying to hit and why you can't |
| 18:33.29 | mentor | People turn up every so often with zombies to spam the channel |
| 18:33.39 | d-b-phone | ok |
| 18:33.54 | mentor | idoru will kick 'em but you still get one message from each |
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| 18:35.51 | simonrvn | mentor: er? what's that one? |
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| 18:36.20 | stew | simonrvn: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml in the +b section |
| 18:36.30 | simonrvn | ty stew |
| 18:36.48 | mentor | hmmm |
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| 18:36.55 | mentor | My client didn't tell me when +z went on |
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| 18:37.02 | stew | weeks ago |
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| 18:37.12 | mentor | ah |
| 18:38.03 | simonrvn | oooh, neat |
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| 18:39.12 | bonjoyee | its debian 64bit squeeze..fully up-to-date! |
| 18:39.28 | macrobat | ^5 bonjoyee |
| 18:40.43 | simonrvn | zach23: sorry about that, my irc proxy went crazy... |
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| 18:41.00 | bonjoyee | this is the error http://pastebin.com/SugKTQMc |
| 18:41.13 | zach23 | simonrvn: no problem man - so i dont know what to do ... |
| 18:41.34 | zach23 | simonrv: http://pastebin.com/tA4i2iwZ |
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| 18:42.06 | bonjoyee | this is output of " hdparm -iI /dev/sr0" http://pastebin.com/6DPD3yZZ |
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| 18:42.46 | simonrvn | zach23:is that always happening? |
| 18:43.07 | bonjoyee | macrobat: ? |
| 18:43.30 | zach23 | simonrvn: happened 2 days in a row - out of nowhere. all i did was update libc6 (through dist-upgrade). it seems to happen under heavy load. I don't know what to do. I made the other app server mount with soft as to not make that hang and cause the app totally unusuable |
| 18:44.10 | simonrvn | zach23: what's the kernel? (/me is thinking kernel bug) |
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| 18:44.25 | zach23 | simonrvn: Linux app01 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP |
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| 18:45.02 | macrobat | bonjoyee: congratulations |
| 18:45.17 | simonrvn | zach23: and it's up to date? |
| 18:45.32 | bonjoyee | macrobat: for? |
| 18:45.34 | zach23 | yes...at least i think so...nothing through dist-upgrade - how can i check? |
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| 18:46.43 | simonrvn | zach23: hm ok. um, you could try using a backports.d.o kernel see if that makes any difference. |
| 18:47.03 | simonrvn | zach23: before you do that though, check the bts |
| 18:47.08 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 18:47.08 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 18:47.27 | zach23 | simonrvn: for the nfs bug? I wouldn't even know how to find it - there isnt a specific error |
| 18:47.36 | LaptopBrain | guzu: sure but i dont own any floppies, havent for years and not sure where still stocks them :p |
| 18:47.40 | simonrvn | nfsd crash |
| 18:47.47 | d-b-phone | simonrvn: when goes that he mighr need yo edit yhe nfs server init script |
| 18:47.52 | guzu | :) |
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| 18:47.53 | simonrvn | in linux-image-2.6 or similar |
| 18:48.06 | simonrvn | er? |
| 18:48.18 | bonjoyee | macrobat: ? |
| 18:48.24 | d-b-phone | simonrvn: re bo kernel |
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| 18:49.21 | macrobat | bonjoyee: any problems with the cd player? |
| 18:49.27 | simonrvn | bo kernel? |
| 18:49.31 | ShakeyJake | thewanderer1: if youre still about, i cant get past step 3 of the installation. when trying to zcat the boot.img.gz to the usb it says 'permission denied'. no combination of sudo/partition label/disk label or anything will work |
| 18:49.39 | abrotman | simonrvn: backports? |
| 18:49.39 | jean | Hello. I have some problem with debian install |
| 18:49.43 | bonjoyee | macrobat: no...none ...works fine in windows! |
| 18:49.55 | simonrvn | was thinking bo the release... |
| 18:49.55 | abrotman | jean: Please sit down, tell us all your woes |
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| 18:50.25 | jean | I got debian net inst squeeze at pendrive, but while searching the mirrors I receive "mirror does not support the specified release (squeeze)" to any mirror |
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| 18:50.41 | ok | hi |
| 18:50.50 | ok | anyone available? |
| 18:51.15 | jean | abrotman: I think the release need be "testing", not "squeeze", correct? And how can I do this? |
| 18:51.49 | d-b-phone | !testing |
| 18:51.49 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 18:51.55 | peterS | jean: is this the squeeze rc1 installer image that came out yesterday or so? or older? |
| 18:52.15 | zach23 | simonrvn: man, i cant find anything on this - i hope i am not discovering it. it has to be related to the libc6 or just a massive coincedence. i am worried about it. |
| 18:52.17 | abrotman | it was broken ? |
| 18:52.19 | peterS | (it's a loaded question. the followup is: if it's older, you might try that one.) |
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| 18:53.27 | bonjoyee | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.31 | simonrvn | zach23: i haven't seen that, but i'm not using 2.6.26 on my nfs server either |
| 18:54.19 | jhutchins_lt | jean: It's considered bad practice to use "stable" or "testing" in source files, because if a release happens and you're not looking it could seriously mess up your system. "Stable" will start pulling the new release's files, "testing" will get a whole new can of worms from sid. |
| 18:55.22 | jean | peterS: Yes, rc1 image, I got some min ago |
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| 18:56.17 | peterS | jhutchins_lt: yeah, well, he/she's talking about the installer itself, I think |
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| 18:57.17 | stew | mmm worms |
| 18:57.21 | jhutchins_lt | I know there are multiple sources. I don't know where unetbootin downloads from, but it was a different image than I got following the install guide. |
| 18:57.48 | macrobat | ok: just ask and someone will hopefully take your call |
| 18:58.37 | peterS | jean: odd that a mirror does not know about the name 'squeeze', though. makes me wonder. what mirror URL is it that does this? or is it more than one? |
| 18:58.38 | jean | jhutchins_lt: ok, good news then. Anyway, why the installer dont find the repositories? |
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| 18:59.29 | Optic | moo |
| 18:59.40 | jhutchins_lt | jean: Ah, that's the question then. |
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| 18:59.52 | jhutchins_lt | jean: Problem with DNS would be the most likely answer. |
| 19:00.02 | jhutchins_lt | !moo |
| 19:00.03 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 19:00.24 | dvs | aptitude moo! |
| 19:00.35 | d-b-phone | -vvvvvv |
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| 19:00.37 | peterS | This channel does not have super cow powers |
| 19:00.45 | giwe | Do I need to download and install nvidia drivers to use libvdpau? |
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| 19:01.20 | peterS | video killed the open source star |
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| 19:01.41 | ElDiabolo | giwe, lenny or squeeze? |
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| 19:02.08 | giwe | squeeze |
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| 19:02.42 | peterS | squeeze includes a rather old snapshot of nouveau, but I don't _think_ that supports vdpau |
| 19:02.54 | ElDiabolo | giwe, aptitude search vdpau |
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| 19:02.59 | dvs | What's the URL to get the Squeeze RC1 installer? |
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| 19:03.10 | peterS | dvs: www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 19:03.36 | dvs | cool, thanks |
| 19:03.58 | giwe | ElDiabolo: libvdpau is installed. Do you know how can i check if mplayer is using it? |
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| 19:04.38 | peterS | giwe: '-vo vdpau' will either work or not work |
| 19:04.39 | jean | peterS: Yes, it's all repos I've tested here. I will test the DNS idea |
| 19:05.14 | Optic | would it be possible to boot a livecd image using grub.exe from boot.ini on windows? |
| 19:05.15 | jean | jhutchins_lt: how could I test the DNS into netinst terminal? |
| 19:05.24 | peterS | jean: these days you should just be able to use http://ftp.debian.org/debian, which thanks to geo-ip, will point you to North America, Europe, Asia, etc. |
| 19:05.27 | ethernet | hello |
| 19:05.29 | d-b-phone | jean: go to a different tty |
| 19:05.33 | jhutchins_lt | I think you can run the host command from the terminal. |
| 19:05.44 | d-b-phone | and type ping 4.2.2.2 |
| 19:05.52 | stew | peterS: are you sure about that? |
| 19:06.04 | peterS | stew: try this: host -t txt ftp.debian.org |
| 19:06.22 | peterS | stew: I get "NA view" as I'm in north america |
| 19:06.26 | d-b-phone | peterS: i dout the di has it |
| 19:06.29 | jean | ping: not found :( |
| 19:06.35 | jean | jhutchins_lt: ping: not found :( |
| 19:06.37 | peterS | d-b-phone: has what? ftp.debian.org? |
| 19:06.46 | stew | peterS: we are always telling people not to use ftp.debian.org |
| 19:06.55 | d-b-phone | peterS: no host |
| 19:07.07 | d-b-phone | !cdn |
| 19:07.07 | dpkg | Package 'changelogs' are available at http://changelogs.debian.net |
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| 19:07.29 | d-b-phone | bah .. was expecting cdn info |
| 19:07.37 | peterS | stew: oh, well, it's using geoip but maybe it's still not considered suitable for the masses. I dunno - I have to wonder why the geo-ip if it's only developers using it anyway |
| 19:07.40 | jhutchins_lt | jean: How about the host command? |
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| 19:08.07 | giwe | peterS: yeah. I tried it now. It now complains about a missing libvdipau_nvidia.so |
| 19:08.09 | jhutchins_lt | peterS: Some of the sleazy derivatives use it. |
| 19:08.30 | peterS | jhutchins_lt: derivatives use debian.org at all? |
| 19:08.39 | peterS | I'd think they would use sleazy-derivative.com |
| 19:08.43 | jhutchins_lt | peterS: Mint does. |
| 19:08.55 | d-b-phone | orly |
| 19:08.58 | stew | and i get the same ip from both NA view and EU view |
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| 19:10.00 | ElDiabolo | giwe, mplayer should have a command line argument for that. |
| 19:10.04 | jean | jhutchins_lt: host: not found :( |
| 19:10.13 | ElDiabolo | giwe, not shure however |
| 19:10.24 | peterS | as co-maintainer of a non-free, rather vertical debian derivative who takes pains to maintain a partial mirror of lenny so our customers aren't using debian.org, I am a bit miffed that not everyone does this |
| 19:11.11 | d-b-phone | jean: wget http://debian.org -O /dev/null |
| 19:11.17 | d-b-phone | try that |
| 19:11.44 | jhutchins_lt | jean: We need someone with more familiarity with the installer... |
| 19:11.57 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Does the installer have ping or host commands? |
| 19:12.03 | streuner__ | they live in #debian-boot :-) |
| 19:12.11 | giwe | ElDiabolo: yes, -vo vdpau . It is complaining now about a missing libvdpau_nvidia.so |
| 19:12.45 | jean | jhutchins_lt: aha! wget: bad addres 'debian.org' |
| 19:12.52 | stew | jhutchins_lt: i don't know if i've used one since the etch installer |
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| 19:13.27 | ElDiabolo | giwe, you did install nvidia-libvdpau1, did you? |
| 19:13.31 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Heh. Yeah, that's the problem. |
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| 19:14.05 | giwe | ElDiabolo: let me check |
| 19:14.06 | jhutchins_lt | jean: So in the network setup stage either you didn't get a connection or you didn't get the nameservers set correctly. |
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| 19:14.14 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: d-i does not have ping command, probably no host either |
| 19:14.25 | stew | getent? |
| 19:14.26 | thewanderer1 | (just sayin) |
| 19:14.27 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: wget is giving useful results. |
| 19:15.17 | giwe | ElDiabolo: humn is it on main? I instialled libvdpau |
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| 19:15.46 | jhutchins_lt | jean: wget 207.182.41.27 |
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| 19:17.29 | giwe | ElDiabolo: I found there is some stuff in non-free. trying that |
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| 19:19.08 | d-b-phone | . |
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| 19:19.38 | klync | if i uncomment the lines in the exim4.conf.template to enable cyrus-sasl authentication, update-exim4.conf gives an error that it doesn't know about the mechanism ... anyone have any experience with this? |
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| 19:21.35 | jhutchins | klync: Yes. I don't remember what the solution was, but I found it in the docs on how to enable cyrus-sasl for exim. |
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| 19:22.11 | klync | jhutchins: ok, good to know ... i'll keep hunting, tho i haven't found it yet. at least i have hope now! :P |
| 19:22.24 | stew | klync: what does "aptitude search '~i~Pmail-transport-agent'" return? |
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| 19:23.51 | klync | stew: i don't have aptitude on this host; is there an equivalent command using apt or dpkg? |
| 19:24.32 | stew | klync: "dpkg -l exim4-daemon-light exim4-daemon-heavy" shows which with 'ii' |
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| 19:24.51 | klync | oh, it's heavy, but i'll double check.... |
| 19:25.11 | klync | ii exim4-daemon-heavy 4.69-9+lenny1 |
| 19:25.19 | stew | klync: one difference between light and heavy is that heavy depends on libsasl, so that was a guess... |
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| 19:26.03 | klync | not a bad guess, and i learned a neat trick for sorting out virtuals on hosts that do have aptitude |
| 19:26.18 | peterS | klync: the first thing to look at is whether you have libsasl2-modules installed |
| 19:26.26 | jean | jhutchins_lt: no route to host |
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| 19:26.32 | peterS | klync: it's not a strict dependency of the rest of this stuff, but it is required in order to actually use sasl |
| 19:26.54 | klync | peterS: aha! no i don't - i was wondering if that might be it ... i have sasl2-bin and libsasl2-2 |
| 19:27.20 | stew | too bad it isn't at least in Suggests: if that is the fix |
| 19:27.25 | peterS | klync: yeah - libsasl2-modules is split out because a lot of people want to install things that link to libsasl2-2, but don't intend to actually _use_ any sasl functionality |
| 19:27.35 | peterS | stew: it's in Recommends, last I checked |
| 19:27.41 | jhutchins | jean: Does that make sense to you? It says your networking isn't working. |
| 19:27.47 | peterS | Recommends of libsasl2-2, I mean, not exim |
| 19:27.50 | stew | ah |
| 19:28.02 | klync | that did it... yay! thanks all |
| 19:28.05 | jhutchins | jean: I'm not sure what diagnostics you have, lspci should show the NIC (unless it's USB). |
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| 19:28.25 | peterS | klync: great! I'm glad the pain I went through about 5 years ago figuring out what was wrong with _my_ sasl setup paid off for someone else just now |
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| 19:29.12 | klync | lol ... yeah i was starting to think i was the only one running cyrus+exim on debian ... thanks again |
| 19:29.48 | jean | jhutchins: I will check my lan and back with more info, thanks all :) |
| 19:29.51 | peterS | well, I dunno, for me it wasn't exim (it was postfix), but sure |
| 19:29.57 | delby | hi, i am running gnome on squeeze dual boot with windows. how do i make the windows partitions not visible in gnome? |
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| 19:30.48 | jhutchins | delby: White Out? Color over them with a marker? |
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| 19:31.04 | klync | delby: should be able to put entries in fstab with "noauto" in the options |
| 19:31.22 | jhutchins | delby: Actually, I think if you comment them out in fstab they wouldn't show up. |
| 19:31.44 | jhutchins | klync: kde has an option to display unmounted devices, I assume gnome can too. |
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| 19:32.37 | mogaj | headphone not working in laptop using ubuntu 10.10 |
| 19:32.46 | delby | they are not showing in my fstab but they are showing when i press 'computer'. i think they are only mounted when i click on them anyway. |
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| 19:35.32 | jhutchins | mogaj: Tell #ubuntu |
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| 19:37.50 | jhutchins | delby: Why is this a problem? |
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| 19:39.37 | delby | jhutchins: i dont want them to be accessed by accident in a live cd environment. |
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| 19:42.38 | ProfOak_ | Hey guys, I just installed testing but my internet wouldn't work on the installer (nonfree drivers). I thought I installed them, but my internet isn't working, wired or wireless. I don't have nm-applet. Is there a deb ready so I can just install it from there? |
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| 19:44.59 | jhutchins | ProfOak_: Have you read the install guide? |
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| 19:45.18 | stew | ProfOak_: you want a .deb for what exactly? |
| 19:45.20 | ProfOak_ | jhutchins: No I did not |
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| 19:45.30 | ProfOak_ | stew: nm-applet |
| 19:45.31 | jhutchins | !install guide |
| 19:45.31 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.7) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 19:45.44 | stew | ProfOak_: you need non-free drivers? or non-free formware for free drivers? |
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| 19:46.07 | jhutchins | ProfOak_: The install guide for squeeze may be incomplete or incorrect, but the above should be useful. |
| 19:46.13 | ProfOak_ | stew: I installed the nonfree driver, I just don't have a network manager on my system |
| 19:46.25 | ProfOak_ | jhutchins: Thanks, I'll read it |
| 19:46.35 | jhutchins | ProfOak_: Do you need the network manager? |
| 19:46.42 | ProfOak_ | jhutchins: yeah |
| 19:46.50 | stew | ProfOak_: can you get the network running by hand this time, then download network-manager? |
| 19:47.55 | ProfOak_ | stew: I don't know how to do that. I tried a hard wire connection, but it wouldn't connect. It may be me; network troubleshooting is not my strong point |
| 19:48.19 | stew | ProfOak_: do you know if you would be using dhcp or a static ip address? |
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| 19:48.45 | ProfOak_ | stew: Yeah, I know that |
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| 19:48.58 | stew | ProfOak_: which? |
| 19:49.00 | jhutchins | !networking |
| 19:49.00 | dpkg | For basic networking, "man interfaces", see http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration and http://www.debian-administration.org/article/An_introduction_to_Debian_networking_setup . Also ask me about <interfaces>. |
| 19:49.02 | ProfOak_ | Static |
| 19:49.26 | stew | ProfOak_: and do you know your ip address, netmask, gateway? |
| 19:49.40 | ProfOak_ | I could look it up |
| 19:49.43 | jhutchins | nameservers? |
| 19:49.55 | ProfOak_ | Not nameservers |
| 19:49.59 | jhutchins | ProfOak_: You will need that if you do not have dhcp. |
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| 19:51.25 | stew | ProfOak_: do you know the name of your wired connection, probably like "eth0"? |
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| 19:51.43 | ProfOak_ | It's eth0, and wlan0 for wireless |
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| 19:52.49 | stew | ProfOak_: then "man interfaces". you'll be adding a section to /etc/network/interfaces for eth0. it would be something like "iface eth0 inet static" "address 1.2.3.4" "netmask 255.255.255.0" "gateway 1.2.3.4" |
| 19:52.53 | smiley979879 | Is there a way I get a kernel version greater then 2.6.27 running on lenny...other then compiling it from scratch? |
| 19:53.02 | stew | ProfOak_: and then you'll need to edit /etc/resolv.conf with at least one "nameserver" entry |
| 19:53.11 | stew | smiley979879: /msg dpkg bdo |
| 19:53.14 | abrotman | !tell smiley979879 about bpo |
| 19:53.19 | stew | smiley979879: backports has a 2.6.32 kernel |
| 19:53.31 | smiley979879 | ok thank you |
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| 19:54.01 | ProfOak_ | stew: I'll check it out |
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| 19:56.45 | ProfOak_ | ok I'm going to go try it out |
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| 20:01.57 | giwe | any hints for: Xlib: extension "NV-GLX" missing on display "localhost:10.0". I can't find much helpful on the web |
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| 20:02.34 | homie | apt-cache search ^nvidia |
| 20:02.45 | ProfOak_ | ok so apparently iface isn't on my system, neither is ifup or ifconfig... sigh |
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| 20:03.25 | jhutchins | ProfOak_: If the installer couldn't see the network, it could only do a very minimal install. |
| 20:03.30 | stew | ProfOak_: iface isn't a command, it is something you'd put into /etc/network/interfaces. (man interfaces) |
| 20:03.35 | giwe | homie: do you have a hint? |
| 20:03.58 | ProfOak_ | stew: ...oh |
| 20:04.04 | stew | ProfOak_: ifconfig and ifup are in /sbin, and /sbin wouldn't be in a normal users's path, they would be in root's path (which is fine since you need root privileges to configure an interface) |
| 20:04.38 | jhutchins | ProfOak_: If you installed the driver, you may still need the firmware. |
| 20:04.41 | jhutchins | !firmware |
| 20:04.41 | dpkg | Firmware (sometimes termed "microcode") is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel modules require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Ask me about <listkeys firmware> and <search> my factoids. Some firmware is available via Debian packages. See also http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware and <installer firmware>. |
| 20:05.25 | jean | jhutchins: Ok, there are some problem with LAN config. do not works |
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| 20:05.42 | ProfOak_ | jhutchins: http://packages.debian.org/source/squeeze/firmware-nonfree I installed one of these, is that ok? |
| 20:06.12 | jhutchins | ProfOak_: No idea. You have to match the firmware to the chipset. |
| 20:06.14 | stew | ProfOak_: which driver did you install? |
| 20:06.26 | ProfOak_ | iwlwifi |
| 20:06.42 | jhutchins | !iwlwifi |
| 20:06.42 | dpkg | iwlwifi is the driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless LAN chipsets since Lenny. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. If upgrading from Etch, see http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi to switch from ipw3945 to iwl3945. See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:06.46 | stew | that's a free driver, but whatever. it does need formware |
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| 20:07.07 | stew | (a free driver that is in the squeeze installer even) |
| 20:07.15 | jhutchins | ...which is not in the firmware-nonfree package. |
| 20:07.15 | ProfOak_ | ^ I have a thinkpad r61i |
| 20:07.46 | jhutchins | !tell jean about networking |
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| 20:09.16 | ProfOak_ | stew: So what do I do? |
| 20:09.52 | stew | ProfOak_: did you configure your wired ethernet? |
| 20:09.56 | jhutchins | ProfOak_: Install the firmware. |
| 20:10.18 | stew | ProfOak_: i'd configure the wired ethernet, then install network-manager if that's what you wanted to eventually use |
| 20:10.56 | stew | ProfOak_: and after the wired ethernet is working, you could use that to install the missing firmware-iwlwifi package if its not already installed |
| 20:11.13 | guzu | how can i see my ethernet maximum speed? |
| 20:11.40 | GJdan | why would an audio card show up in lspci but not be recognized as an audio card by anything else? >.> |
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| 20:11.58 | guzu | alsa not configured? |
| 20:12.05 | stew | GJdan: because no driver for it is loaded? |
| 20:12.18 | wildc4rd | evenin |
| 20:12.42 | GJdan | hmm, would alsa not be able to work with an intel ibex peak hda card? |
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| 20:13.13 | stew | GJdan: what is the vendorid:deviceid from lspci -nn? it would be something like "8086:10d3" |
| 20:13.17 | jean | jhutchins: Worked in another LAN. In this LAN I have the gateway x.x.253.253 and the IPs x.x.254.x and the Debian installer do not allowed this |
| 20:13.42 | stew | jean: the installer would allow that, what did you give as a netmask? |
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| 20:14.06 | GJdan | stew: [8086:3b56] |
| 20:14.16 | stew | judd: pciid 8086:3b56 |
| 20:14.19 | judd | [8086:3b56] is '5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3b56 |
| 20:14.28 | stew | GJdan: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 20:14.58 | GJdan | stew: 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
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| 20:15.24 | stew | GJdan: so yes, this kernel does not support your card, the one from backports should though, see /msg dpkg bdo |
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| 20:17.13 | luis_ | hello eveyone, good afternoon, i like to ask you if there's any kde debian version little bit older than leny for my old pc and where to find it? hel please if there's any available |
| 20:17.19 | GJdan | awesome, thanks stew, I'll see how far I can get on my own with this |
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| 20:18.00 | stew | GJdan: linux-image-2.6-amd64 from backports.debian.org should get you a working kernel |
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| 20:18.21 | rethus | i'd like to install apaceh 2.2.12 to use sni. in lenny only 2.2.09 is installed. |
| 20:18.34 | rethus | is there a easy and stable way to get this version for lenny? |
| 20:18.37 | GJdan | stew: could this also be the reason I always get a kernel error when I boot up? |
| 20:18.52 | stew | GJdan: what is the error? |
| 20:19.14 | GJdan | stew: I don't know how to check that, I get a pop up on the bottom right asking if I want to report it |
| 20:19.19 | stew | rethus: /msg dpkg bdo |
| 20:19.31 | stew | GJdan: then I don't know |
| 20:19.39 | stew | rethus: (assuming that 2.2.16 is sufficient) |
| 20:19.40 | GJdan | stew: ok |
| 20:19.42 | rethus | stew: what did this mean |
| 20:19.57 | stew | rethus: its a command to type into irc to get info from one of our bots |
| 20:20.36 | rethus | wasn't it the questionmark ? |
| 20:20.38 | rethus | !dpkg bdo |
| 20:20.38 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <volatile>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 20:21.15 | stew | rethus: i don't understand what you mean by "wasn't it the questionmark ?" |
| 20:21.20 | rethus | however. does backports have beta-software, or also all stable releases? |
| 20:21.33 | jean | stew: 255.255.255.0 here in my lan, I have this gateway in another LAN to Internet access. I have here 2 mixed networks. One local and a gateway (in another lan) who forwards to internet access. |
| 20:21.43 | stew | rethus: backports has software from testing recompiled against libraries from stable |
| 20:21.53 | rethus | Questionmark and then the command to show bot-messages: !dpkg bdo |
| 20:22.14 | rethus | your command didn't work /msg dpkg bdo |
| 20:22.55 | rethus | stew: is it usable for a running webserver? |
| 20:22.58 | stew | rethus: yes, it works |
| 20:23.04 | rethus | or is it "living on the edge" ? |
| 20:23.08 | stew | rethus: is what usable? apache? of course |
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| 20:23.22 | rethus | the backports-packages |
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| 20:23.47 | jeremym | this is my first time using debian but long time rhel user and im trying to use apt-get. im looking to get the nis client installed and im using apt-get install nis however its not finding it |
| 20:23.48 | rethus | does they recommended for stable webservers - or better don't use backports? |
| 20:23.54 | jeremym | is there a way i can use apt-get to list packages |
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| 20:24.44 | jhutchins | I do NOT understand why konversation on lenny goes over 90% CPU so often. It doesn't on either laptop. What's really wierd is that it did this on Mandriva as well. |
| 20:24.49 | rethus | whats about apt-get ? is apt-get not installed, or apt-get didn't find the package? |
| 20:25.10 | rethus | jeremym |
| 20:25.11 | stew | jean: then you'll probably have to configure the network by hand, which you can do in a text console |
| 20:25.12 | jhutchins | jeremym: dpkg -l |
| 20:25.20 | jeremym | didnt find the package |
| 20:25.40 | jhutchins | jeremym: dpkg -l | grep nis |
| 20:25.47 | rethus | maybe search for the nis-package before |
| 20:25.51 | stew | jeremym: you'd use apt-cache to search not apt-get. "apt-cache search nis" would return too much, but "apt-cache search \\bnis\\b" to limit it to full words would find it |
| 20:26.00 | ProfOak_ | Alright well thanks for the help guys |
| 20:26.11 | rethus | whats about backports ? can somebod give me a tip |
| 20:26.19 | stew | jeremym: but there is a nis package you should be finding, if you aren't getting it your sources.list isn't properly setup yet. what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:26.34 | jeremym | lenny |
| 20:26.38 | jeremym | let me get the full version |
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| 20:27.07 | stew | jeremym: no, that's enough. see: /msg dpkg lenny sources.list |
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| 20:27.24 | jeremym | no more /etc/lsb-release? |
| 20:27.36 | stew | jeremym: lsb_release -a |
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| 20:27.44 | stew | jeremym: or /etc/debian_version |
| 20:27.56 | stew | rethus: you should run stable unless you have to. if you run something other than stable, you'll have to make sure to watch for security updates yourself |
| 20:28.02 | jeremym | ah ok that worked |
| 20:28.08 | jeremym | 5.0.7 |
| 20:28.13 | stew | rethus: if you are worried about the bugginess of the package, see the bts |
| 20:28.28 | rethus | what is bts? |
| 20:28.39 | eject_ck | Hi all |
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| 20:29.18 | eject_ck | I'm trying to run apt-get upgrade, at some step I see next line and my console freezes (I've tried couple of times) |
| 20:29.37 | eject_ck | Unpacking replacement libc6 ... |
| 20:29.37 | eject_ck | Processing triggers for man-db ... |
| 20:29.37 | eject_ck | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:29.58 | jonrafkind | where can I get the sourcecode to 'pbuilder' ? |
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| 20:31.27 | stew | jonrafkind: http://packages.debian.org/pbuilder would have a .tar.gz, or "apt-get source pbuilder" |
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| 20:31.31 | narayan44 | is there anywhere I can find which machines are arm and which are armel? |
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| 20:31.43 | stew | eject_ck: are you sure it is froozen, and not actually processing the triggers for man-db? |
| 20:31.59 | jeremym | ty for that stew. i looked at the bot output and seen i didnt have deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main in my sources.list. I added it and ran aptitude update |
| 20:32.03 | jeremym | now its finding and installing nis |
| 20:32.04 | jonrafkind | true, but I want the latest source, like from svn or whatever |
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| 20:33.21 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions pbuilder |
| 20:33.23 | judd | Package pbuilder on i386 -- etch: 0.161; etch-backports: 0.179~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.181; sid: 0.199+nmu1; squeeze: 0.199+nmu1 |
| 20:33.59 | abrotman | narayan44: in what context? |
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| 20:34.44 | jonrafkind | ok i guess 0.199+nmu1 from squeeze is new enough, thanks |
| 20:34.55 | stew | jonrafkind: http://git.debian.org/?p=pbuilder/pbuilder.git;a=summary |
| 20:34.59 | jonrafkind | or that |
| 20:35.32 | GJdan | stew: messages like this scare the crap out of a nooby like me >.< should I let linux-2.6-amd64 upgrade device IDs automatically? |
| 20:35.40 | stew | !widhe |
| 20:35.40 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 20:35.54 | guzu | :D |
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| 20:37.06 | jhutchins | !bts |
| 20:37.07 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 20:37.48 | jhutchins | GJdan: Yes. |
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| 20:39.51 | narayan44 | see I got this box |
| 20:40.01 | dvs | cardboard? |
| 20:40.02 | narayan44 | I did a uname -m |
| 20:40.22 | thewanderer1 | I try to save a file onto SFTP with Kate (Squeeze) and am getting "Could not rename partial file ... Please check permissions" |
| 20:40.34 | narayan44 | and I get armv5tejl |
| 20:40.40 | narayan44 | and I really don't know jack about arm |
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| 20:41.11 | narayan44 | so I don't know if I need arm or armel binaries |
| 20:41.31 | thewanderer1 | I'm actually unable to save any files onto SFTP with Kate... |
| 20:41.49 | thewanderer1 | it creates the .part file but does not move it to destination for some strange reason |
| 20:42.37 | jhutchins | narayan44: What's in the /etc/apt/sources.list now? |
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| 20:42.59 | narayan44 | here is the thing, its not runing debian...yet |
| 20:43.04 | abrotman | narayan44: dpkg --print-architecture ? |
| 20:43.06 | abrotman | oh |
| 20:43.10 | jhutchins | thewanderer1: You could, oh, I dunno... check permissions? |
| 20:43.20 | narayan44 | its an embedded class machine meant for security cameras |
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| 20:43.36 | narayan44 | it had an rj-45 plug so I hooked it up to the network |
| 20:43.43 | narayan44 | then I found it had settings for an IP address |
| 20:43.46 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins: I can do everything with this file and its containing directory. it's only KDE apps which are having problems |
| 20:43.46 | narayan44 | then I nmaped it |
| 20:43.53 | narayan44 | and been following the rabit hole |
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| 20:44.23 | thewanderer1 | so I did check permissions - files are owned by my user and I edit files here with nano on a daily basis |
| 20:44.39 | narayan44 | I found it was running telnet, and that root had no passwd ! |
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| 20:46.43 | thewanderer1 | I believe this is a bug, but in which package? |
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| 20:48.30 | thewanderer1 | (works on 1 target host via SFTP, but not on another) |
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| 20:57.36 | Bryanstein | narayan44, what box is it? Model number? |
| 20:58.59 | Bryanstein | narayan44, you need armel |
| 20:59.27 | Xenguy | Hello - I need some help with NetworkManager and switching between wireless and wired connections. I just got wireless working in squeeze/testing, which is great. NetworkManager overwrites the /etc/resolv.conf file, so at the moment, I want to turn off wireless and go back to my wired connection. To do this I used to edit resolv.conf to revert the nameserver config, then do /etc/init.d/networking restart. Now that last command issues a warning, and do |
| 21:00.06 | dvs | Xenguy: chances are that it is dhclient that is overwriting your resolv.conf file |
| 21:00.34 | raz0 | Xenguy: Why are you not using NetworkManager to manage your wired connection also? Problem solved. |
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| 21:00.46 | Xenguy | dvs: I don't use DHCP, but I'll check whether dhclient is installed. |
| 21:01.32 | Xenguy | raz0: I used to have that option in Lenny, but it doesn't seem to be there with Squeeze (I may be wrong about this though, or maybe I need to adjust configuration somehow?) |
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| 21:02.40 | Xenguy | dvs: dhclient is not installed - it is definitely network-manager that is doing the overwrite of /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:03.40 | raz0 | Xenguy: I'm on Squeeze and using NetworkManager for wired. |
| 21:03.43 | raz0 | So, yes. |
| 21:03.52 | Xenguy | Anyway, it is annoying that so low-level and reliable a command as '/etc/init.d/networking restart' no longer works :-/ |
| 21:04.20 | Xenguy | raz0: Did you comment out wired references in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 21:04.40 | jeremym | just a bit of praise from an rhel guy...i love this debian distro so far. It only installs the bare minimum. this allows you to install what you need afterwards instead of installing what you think you need and have a bunch of stuff running that you later need to reomve. |
| 21:04.59 | klync | jeremym: and it has a real package manager! :P |
| 21:05.18 | klync | (although yum is a heck of a step up from rpm -i) |
| 21:05.22 | Xenguy | raz0: e.g. comment out references to eth0 in that file? |
| 21:05.35 | jeremym | so far im wondering why i havent used it earlier...i refused to use ubuntu because to me ubuntu is equal to mandrake |
| 21:05.39 | klync | so, can anyone give me a quick cmd to print which binaries link to a given lib? |
| 21:05.40 | jeremym | well mandrivia now i guess |
| 21:06.35 | raz0 | Xenguy: No need to. You can configure that in NetworkManager.conf |
| 21:06.35 | Xenguy | klync: is 'ldd' what you are looking for? |
| 21:06.57 | raz0 | Read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian perhaps? |
| 21:07.00 | klync | Xenguy: as far as i understand ldd, i want to go in the other direction |
| 21:07.01 | GJdan | ok, why are my monitors unable to use their full resolution or extend eachother? |
| 21:07.10 | Xenguy | klync: ahh, ok |
| 21:07.20 | klync | Xenguy: "what on my system links to xxxx.so?" |
| 21:07.24 | Xenguy | raz0: I'll have a look at that file then |
| 21:08.04 | xingu | klync: it's not a 100% fit, but you can go a long way with apt-cache rdepends --installed |
| 21:08.14 | klync | xingu: excellent ... thanks! |
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| 21:13.59 | Spreadsheet | If I download the latest squeeze, and then squeeze comes out later, how many updates would I have to install if I have a very minimal system? |
| 21:14.17 | Spreadsheet | Something like shell + nginx |
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| 21:14.30 | dvs | Spreadsheet: dunno |
| 21:14.54 | Xenguy | raz0: Thanks, configuring to 'managed=true' seems to have works (though relying on a GUI tool for my networking gives me the creeps a bit - I might check out wicd and see if it plays any nicer) |
| 21:15.13 | stew | Spreadsheet: nobody knows what bugs might be discovered and fixed wthin that time |
| 21:15.20 | Xenguy | as in plays nicer with 'interfaces' |
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| 21:17.18 | raz0 | Xenguy: I'd be surprised if there doesn't exist a non-GUI tool. |
| 21:17.25 | raz0 | But I haven't really looked into it |
| 21:17.58 | thewanderer1 | Xenguy: if you want a tool to manage WiFi, use wpa_supplicant |
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| 21:18.12 | thewanderer1 | it has a CLI admin tool called wpa_cli, is lightweight and looks cool :P |
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| 21:18.25 | Xenguy | raz0: What I'd really like is for something like NetworkManager to manage my wireless, but leave my wired alone in interfaces, *and* allow me to switch seamlessly between both :-) |
| 21:18.44 | rgouveia | hello ... has anyone noticed that in testing, icedove is missing the quickfilter bar? |
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| 21:19.04 | Xenguy | thewanderer1: hrm, sounds promising, I'll check that out - thanks! |
| 21:19.05 | thewanderer1 | Xenguy: wpa_supplicant integrates with ifupdown so you can tell it to ifup/ifdown your WiFi |
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| 21:19.49 | Xenguy | thewanderer1: Have you tried wpa_cli BTW? |
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| 21:20.25 | thewanderer1 | Xenguy: yeah, was using it on my laptop and walking around the city :P |
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| 21:21.27 | Xenguy | thewanderer1: mwuhaha, OK, I'll have a look, tx again |
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| 21:22.14 | rgouveia | nevermind ... testing has version 3.0, and quickfilter has been added in 3.1 |
| 21:22.39 | dvs | curses thewanderer1 for stealing his Internet. ;-) |
| 21:23.13 | thewanderer1 | dvs: right... my 30000-mile range antenna owns you :P |
| 21:23.20 | dvs | ha! |
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| 21:23.47 | GJdan | how do I check what type of graphics card I have? |
| 21:24.03 | dvs | GJdan: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 21:24.06 | thewanderer1 | (dvs: make sure it's not the Russian Woodpecker first) |
| 21:24.06 | dvs | usually |
| 21:24.22 | dvs | uh oh |
| 21:24.24 | Saar | hm what happened with the repo? W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG |
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| 21:24.32 | GJdan | ah, I think that worked. thanks :) |
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| 21:25.20 | thewanderer1 | Saar: do you have debian-keyring installed? |
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| 21:26.01 | GJdan | lspci -nn | grep VGA outputs: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RV770 [Radeon HD 4850] [1002:9442] |
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| 21:26.21 | GJdan | I think I need a driver for this so my monitors will work properly? |
| 21:26.39 | dvs | GJdan: Or the .32 kernel. |
| 21:26.54 | thewanderer1 | GJdan: try first with the free ati driver, only then resort to fglrx which is utter crap |
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| 21:27.07 | Xenguy | tries rebooting to console to test new config |
| 21:27.08 | dvs | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RV770 [Radeon HD 4850] [1002:9442] |
| 21:27.15 | stew | Saar: looks good to me: gpgv: Signature made Wed 12 Jan 2011 01:30:50 PM EST using RSA key ID 55BE302B |
| 21:27.15 | babilen | free driver == xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 21:27.21 | dvs | hey! That looks familiar! |
| 21:27.23 | GJdan | dvs: what is the .32 kernel? is that the better choice? |
| 21:27.35 | Saar | hm no, why don't i have this? |
| 21:27.44 | dvs | GJdan: I know it works because I'm using it right now! |
| 21:27.52 | GJdan | >.< |
| 21:27.54 | Saar | i would think it should complain each time if you don't have it installed? |
| 21:28.14 | Saar | I rarely see this problem |
| 21:28.18 | stew | debian-keyring isnt' needed, debian-archive-keyring would have that key though |
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| 21:28.29 | stew | Saar: do you know what ip address gave you that error? |
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| 21:29.19 | Saar | hard to see, security.debian.org resolves to 4 address, the first is 128.31.0.36 |
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| 21:30.12 | Saar | i have debian-archive-keyring |
| 21:30.43 | Saar | Installed: 2010.08.28~lenny1 |
| 21:31.16 | stew | Saar: that doesn't matter, this is not "signature by unknown key" this is "bad signature" |
| 21:31.19 | Saar | unless it got updated last night that should be actual, i got it from a local repository |
| 21:31.24 | stew | which means the Release.gpg doesn't match Release |
| 21:31.26 | Saar | right |
| 21:31.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i was wondering is there a easy way to send test to the rsyslogd and make a log file for a command? |
| 21:31.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am trying to use incron to notify me when my filesystem changes.. and send me a log output |
| 21:32.14 | stew | but yeah, it looks like the 128.31.0.36 mirror is out of sync |
| 21:33.19 | stew | Saar: err |
| 21:33.35 | GJdan | looks like I have all the radeon drivers but I still don't seem to have proper monitor behavior |
| 21:33.54 | Saar | i see |
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| 21:34.07 | GJdan | according to http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo I should install firmware-linux-nonfree is this a good idea? |
| 21:34.20 | Saar | I probably have noticed this problem 3 times or so in the last 3 years |
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| 21:34.39 | dvs | GJdan: yes |
| 21:34.42 | Saar | GJdan: sure |
| 21:35.02 | GJdan | is this a simple process, just aptitude install it and it's all automatic? >.< |
| 21:35.06 | Saar | GJdan: unless you are against the non-free thing |
| 21:35.12 | Saar | ja |
| 21:35.16 | GJdan | I have no clue lol, I'm all for the easiest solution |
| 21:35.44 | GJdan | I just don't want to do something that ends up making me have to delve into the core system |
| 21:35.50 | Saar | you can apt install it |
| 21:36.17 | Saar | enable non-free |
| 21:37.08 | Saar | well as long as you install it through apt(itude) it shouldn't break your system |
| 21:37.35 | Saar | though, if you're using testing or unstable, that fact alone is reason for frequent breaking ;-) |
| 21:38.17 | GJdan | I haven't added non-free to my sources.list yet, uhh, where is it? I have no clue what to add to the list lol |
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| 21:38.38 | Saar | just add to the end of the line |
| 21:38.51 | Saar | i.e. deb http://deb.example.com lenny main contrib non-free |
| 21:39.16 | Saar | run apt-get update;apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 21:39.29 | jean | stew: u here? |
| 21:39.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok now this is sucky.. |
| 21:39.56 | Saar | although maybe its part of backports only? |
| 21:39.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | incron is not working! |
| 21:40.10 | stew | jean: yes? |
| 21:40.21 | GJdan | Saar: ahh, I just add non-free to all the reps? |
| 21:40.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | /tmp/ IN_MODIFY echo "$$ $@ $# $% $&" |
| 21:40.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | thats my incrontab line |
| 21:40.40 | Saar | GJdan: i think its backports only, then add this to sources.list: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free |
| 21:40.42 | dvs | yeah, firmware-linux-nonfree is part of backports |
| 21:40.53 | Saar | GJdan: wouldn't hurt |
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| 21:41.14 | dvs | security doesn't have non-free right? |
| 21:41.21 | stew | dvs: it does |
| 21:41.21 | Saar | but firmware-linux-nonfree is in backports, if you're using sth else than lenny then replace lenny-backports with whatever-backports |
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| 21:41.27 | jean | stew: My boss called me, now I'm back. You told me to manual configure my network. I've tryed, but Debian installer do not allow me manual configure an .254 IP and a 253 gateway. |
| 21:41.31 | thewanderer1 | Eryn_1983_FL: how do you know it's not working? where do you expect incron to echo this output to? |
| 21:41.31 | stew | dvs: (rarely getting packages) |
| 21:41.47 | stew | jean: hit alt-f2 to get to a text console, and do it there |
| 21:41.54 | jean | stew: this is a installer bug? |
| 21:42.06 | stew | unimplemented feature? |
| 21:42.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | should i put a > /var/log/logfile.log ? |
| 21:43.28 | thewanderer1 | Eryn_1983_FL: don't expect echo to automagically put its output into a file :P |
| 21:43.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | well the > dont work either |
| 21:43.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | so what should i do |
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| 21:44.09 | thewanderer1 | perhaps "touch /tmp/ITWORKED" |
| 21:44.15 | jean | stew: ok. just a new question: ifconfig do not exists at terminal.... how can I change my network config? |
| 21:44.18 | mojoman | Saar: Is there backports for squeeze? For etch maybe. |
| 21:44.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | ? |
| 21:44.31 | thewanderer1 | Eryn_1983_FL: if the file instantly materializes, it means it worked |
| 21:44.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | it dosnt thewanderer1 |
| 21:44.47 | stew | mojoman: there is a backports repository for squeeze, but it wouldn't start getting uploads until squeeze is released |
| 21:44.52 | thewanderer1 | Eryn_1983_FL: then it means no events are detected, obviously :P |
| 21:45.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | i just touched a file in /tmp and deleted one thewanderer1 |
| 21:45.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | its not working as advertised.. |
| 21:45.20 | thewanderer1 | Eryn_1983_FL: yes, but in incron tab |
| 21:45.26 | mojoman | stew: yeah, I figuered it wouldn't be online until it hit stable. |
| 21:45.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | eh>? |
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| 21:46.04 | thewanderer1 | Eryn_1983_FL: you put the command in incron tab so that it creates the file when the event is caught |
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| 21:46.13 | Saar | theres lenny-backports and etch-backports |
| 21:46.23 | Saar | http://backports.debian.org/Packages/ |
| 21:46.39 | Saar | i guess if you use sth newer it's already in there |
| 21:46.42 | jeremym | is it possible to upgrade from lenny to squeeze when squeeze is released |
| 21:46.43 | stew | there is not etch-backports anymore |
| 21:46.56 | stew | jeremym: yes, chapter 4 of the release notes will tell you how |
| 21:47.00 | jeremym | ok ty |
| 21:47.11 | Saar | well the search tool enables you to select it so i assumed its still there |
| 21:47.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | nope |
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| 21:48.03 | GJdan | why would I be against non-free? what's different about it? |
| 21:48.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | thewanderer1: it dosnt work |
| 21:48.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | /tmp/ IN_MODIFY touch '/tmp/itworked' |
| 21:48.38 | Saar | jeremym: upgrading is actually quite easy and painless, replace "lenny" with "squeeze" in /etc/apt/sources.list and run "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade" or use your favourite tool |
| 21:48.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | /tmp/ IN_MODIFY echo "$$ $@ $# $% $&" |
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| 21:49.16 | thewanderer1 | Eryn_1983_FL: it means it's not triggered... |
| 21:49.30 | themill | Saar, jeremym: that's not quite the recommended procedure. /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 21:49.31 | dvs | GJdan: If you insist that source code be available for all program you install, then you wouldn't want non-free |
| 21:49.42 | stew | GJdan: being made up of 100% free software is the most core tenet of debian. non-free software sucks |
| 21:50.03 | GJdan | ah |
| 21:50.08 | Saar | themill: recommended or not, it has worked great for many servers going from sarge -> etch and etch -> lenny |
| 21:50.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.09 | stew | much (most?) of the non-free software in the debian repositories has source code |
| 21:50.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | wth? |
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| 21:50.36 | themill | Saar: note that isn't lenny->squeeze. |
| 21:50.42 | stew | GJdan: some of the software in non-free might require license fees to use, or might be restrictive about how you are allowed to use the software. its up to you to check it yourself |
| 21:50.44 | Saar | themill: yeah |
| 21:51.18 | Saar | /msg dpkg lenny-squeeze ; dpkg> no idea, Saar |
| 21:51.20 | Saar | haha |
| 21:51.22 | themill | Saar: believe it or not, there is a reason why there is a section in the release notes that covers how to do these upgrades, and there's a reason why people spend a lot of time working on this things. |
| 21:51.42 | themill | hands Saar a > key. |
| 21:52.27 | Saar | themill: yes i read the release notes last 2 times and understand the precautions and what could go wrong |
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| 21:52.56 | stew | Saar: then why would you tell someone to do it that way? |
| 21:53.09 | babilen | Saar: It is not only about the precautions. (kernel+udev and apt-get for example) |
| 21:53.54 | Spreadsheet | Does Squeeze use Splashy or Plymouth? |
| 21:54.11 | dvs | dumps paint on a K-car |
| 21:54.22 | babilen | Spreadsheet: Whatever you install. Both are available IIRC |
| 21:54.24 | stew | Spreadsheet: splashy is not currently in squeeze |
| 21:54.45 | Spreadsheet | The default is bootsplash right? With the kernel messages that roll? |
| 21:54.52 | stew | Spreadsheet: the default is none |
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| 21:55.15 | Spreadsheet | Ok |
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| 21:55.18 | Saar | what about udev? |
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| 21:55.39 | Saar | yeah i forgot to say to disable backports et al temporarily |
| 21:55.50 | dvs | Saar: to upgrade to squeeze, you bascially update the kernel, then udev, then the rest |
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| 21:56.22 | stew | Saar: think about what happens if someone doesn't have a kernel metapackage installed and they use your procedure |
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| 21:56.37 | cobra | hey there guys .... Xarchiver dont work with me ... any other good program for archiving ? |
| 21:56.42 | Saar | yeah sorry for assuming that :) |
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| 21:57.12 | Spreadsheet | cobra: File Roller for GNOME? |
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| 21:57.41 | cobra | Spreadsheet , something lightweight ? |
| 21:57.50 | Spreadsheet | cobra: "squeeze" from Xfce |
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| 21:58.07 | Spreadsheet | Last time I used it, it wasn't stable. However it probably has changed since |
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| 21:58.30 | cobra | Spreadsheet , ok thanx ... nice nick btw ;) |
| 21:58.38 | bzrk_ | cobra: rsnapshot? |
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| 21:59.00 | cobra | bzrk_ , ok i will see that one also |
| 22:00.16 | Spreadsheet | With splashy and plymouth, I'm still able to see the kernel messages, right? |
| 22:00.28 | Spreadsheet | All I really want is a picture on top and then the text below |
| 22:01.12 | cobra | Spreadsheet , using lenny ? |
| 22:01.19 | Spreadsheet | Squeeze |
| 22:01.28 | GJdan | sigh this is a pain |
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| 22:01.42 | GJdan | I'm not too sure what to do to get my monitors working >.> |
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| 22:01.54 | cobra | Spreadsheet , you should be cool when adding quiet to the kernel line |
| 22:01.58 | GJdan | rv770 radeon card doesn't seem to have much support either |
| 22:02.50 | thewanderer1 | GJdan: some websites say you might need the official ATI driver, being "fglrx" |
| 22:03.15 | thewanderer1 | (by this time you are probably wishing you had an NVIDIA or Intel) |
| 22:03.15 | GJdan | hmm |
| 22:03.38 | GJdan | thewanderer1: a littler >.< I suppose fglrx is in apritude? |
| 22:03.52 | thewanderer1 | yes, it's in the packages somewhere |
| 22:04.01 | stew | GJdan: do you know the vendorid:deviceid for that card? |
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| 22:04.18 | GJdan | lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 22:04.21 | GJdan | ah rofl |
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| 22:04.28 | thewanderer1 | stew: [1002:9442] was what he said earlier |
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| 22:04.39 | stew | judd: xorg 1002:9442 |
| 22:04.40 | judd | Device 1002:9442 is not matched by any xorg drivers in lenny or sid. |
| 22:04.54 | GJdan | ah yes |
| 22:04.59 | stew | so yeah, that probably requires non-free drivers at this point |
| 22:05.09 | themill | stew: there's no data for that command from squeeze onwards |
| 22:05.12 | _val_ | Hello guys. On debian where to change the runleve to start debian without desktop manager? |
| 22:05.24 | _val_ | I'm looking at inittab and I see there id:2:initdefault: |
| 22:05.33 | themill | dpkg: tell _val_ about nodm |
| 22:05.34 | GJdan | so fglrx then? |
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| 22:05.51 | lyhana8 | hi, I got this error: mount: unknown filesystem type 'reiserfs' |
| 22:06.02 | lyhana8 | when trying to access a reiserfs USB disk |
| 22:06.47 | thewanderer1 | _val_: remove the display manager from runlevel 2 |
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| 22:08.08 | _val_ | thanks thewanderer1 I'm removing gdm now entirely |
| 22:08.26 | thewanderer1 | huh... happy CLI-ing :P |
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| 22:09.22 | _val_ | thnx themill |
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| 22:09.47 | _val_ | thewanderer1: it's uninstalling now.. didn't change to runlevel 2 |
| 22:09.52 | dvs | GJdan: or the backported kernel |
| 22:10.12 | stew | GJdan: i don't know if you need fglrx or not, you can ignore what i was doing there |
| 22:10.35 | GJdan | stew: what else would I do? >.< |
| 22:11.15 | GJdan | I installed firmware-linux-nonfree, it didn't change anything |
| 22:11.28 | GJdan | perhaps I have to configure it somehow? |
| 22:12.16 | dvs | GJdan: and you need a kernel which can load the firmware |
| 22:12.35 | stew | he needs firmware for his graphics card? |
| 22:12.53 | GJdan | ah, I don't know how to do that >.> |
| 22:13.09 | dvs | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.05 | lyhana8 | command `/sbin/modinfo reiserfs` return: modinfo: could not find module reiserfs |
| 22:14.42 | GJdan | dvs: wait what? haha do I put that into a file somewhere? |
| 22:15.00 | dvs | GJdan: no, that's what's in firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 22:15.20 | GJdan | ah >.>, gawd I feel dumb with this stuff |
| 22:15.34 | dvs | GJdan: But the kernel you're using doesn't know how to load it. |
| 22:15.57 | GJdan | any ways I don't wanna make you guide me step by step through this painful process, but maybe point me in the right direction on how to set up the kernel? |
| 22:16.02 | stew | lyhana8: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 22:16.17 | dvs | GJdan: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 22:16.18 | lyhana8 | stew: Linux nased.dyndns.org 2.6.17.14ReadyNAS #1 Wed Sep 22 04:42:09 PDT 2010 padre unknown |
| 22:16.24 | khaije|minder | whats the gzip-aware version of less ? |
| 22:16.38 | GJdan | dvs: 2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 |
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| 22:17.02 | dvs | GJdan: Oh? That is the latest. Did you reboot after installing firmware-linux-nonfree ? |
| 22:17.10 | GJdan | yes |
| 22:17.29 | dvs | hmmm... Then you've got me. |
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| 22:17.37 | Spreadsheet | If a package has -dev in its name, but it is a programming library... what does that mean? |
| 22:17.40 | lyhana8 | stew: 2.6.17.14ReadyNAS |
| 22:17.43 | stew | lyhana8: is this debian? that's not a debian kernel. whoever comiled it must not have included reiserfs support |
| 22:18.00 | GJdan | dvs: I'm trying to follow the instructions on http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo, but I don't really understand them |
| 22:18.12 | GJdan | dvs: down under "Configuring the kernel" |
| 22:18.13 | thewanderer1 | Spreadsheet: it contains headers for compiling programs, as opposed to packages without -dev which are for running compiled programs |
| 22:18.42 | lyhana8 | stew: it's based on debian |
| 22:19.00 | Spreadsheet | thewanderer1: So if I had "libsample", and I installed libsample-dev, would I be able to #include the sample.h header then? |
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| 22:19.04 | stew | lyhana8: you should find support for your distro then, we only support debian here |
| 22:19.12 | lyhana8 | is there a way to add it reiserfs with package manager? |
| 22:19.21 | thewanderer1 | Spreadsheet: yup |
| 22:19.21 | dvs | GJdan: Did you change your xorg.conf file? |
| 22:19.30 | GJdan | dvs: not yet |
| 22:19.31 | Spreadsheet | ok thanks |
| 22:19.42 | dvs | GJdan: I wouldn't |
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| 22:19.48 | GJdan | k |
| 22:19.57 | stew | lyhana8: no, IN DEBIAN you could upgrade your entire kernel, but I have no idea about your distro, you need to find support specific to your distro |
| 22:19.59 | lyhana8 | stew: I went through their forum, and not a lot about reiserfs |
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| 22:20.20 | stew | lyhana8: sorry :( |
| 22:20.28 | dvs | GJdan: I'd look over the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file to see anything unusual. |
| 22:20.41 | lyhana8 | I guess I will have to enable it manually~ |
| 22:22.36 | Spreadsheet | When there's a new release, does Debian send an email or notification to all of the packagers informing them to update a package? |
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| 22:29.05 | rudi_s | Spreadsheet: Packagers? |
| 22:29.09 | Spreadsheet | Yep |
| 22:29.12 | rudi_s | The new release already contains all the new packages. |
| 22:29.20 | rudi_s | You just have to update your system to use the use packages. |
| 22:29.25 | GJdan | gawd, I'd rather install fglrx at this point >.> but even that looks like a pain in the ass lawl |
| 22:29.28 | jeremym | i have another dumb question..im trying to update the system to the latest versions of the packages, kernel etc..however when i run apt-get dist-upgrade i dont get anything new installed |
| 22:29.49 | jeremym | i only noticed because i seen the newer kernel another user in here was talking about and i messged dpkg to see the latest kernel version |
| 22:30.09 | jeremym | i am using 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 22:30.39 | rudi_s | jeremym: You're using stable, there are no new packages for a stable version of debian (only security fixes). |
| 22:30.44 | rudi_s | !tell jeremym about stable |
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| 22:31.34 | GJdan | installing fglrx-driver wants to remove emacs? wth O.o |
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| 22:32.59 | jeremym | thanks rudi_s |
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| 22:34.29 | rudi_s | np |
| 22:34.41 | apol | i'm getting an error from S25libdevmapper1.02 when reconfiguring sysv-rc packages (something about dependency based boot) |
| 22:34.50 | apol | can anybody tell me what should i do about it? |
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| 22:37.02 | swaj | I just brought up a fresh debian lenny install this morning. I normall use sudo for all my stuff. I've been able to apt-get packages all day. recently, though it's complaining about missing certain executables in my path (like ldconfig or dpkg). It appears that my user path is being copied when I use "sudo". Did I break something? |
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| 22:39.36 | GJdan | if I choose to edit the xorg.conf files, is it as simple as editing it and saving it? or is there more involved? |
| 22:39.44 | swaj | nevermind, I'm a dummy. thanks :) |
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| 22:40.09 | catsup | GJdan: the file is read whenever X is started |
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| 22:40.32 | catsup | GJdan: so if you modify it and start X, your modifications will be in effect |
| 22:40.37 | catsup | in that instance of X |
| 22:41.02 | GJdan | k |
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| 22:45.27 | GJdan | haha seems that was a bad idea |
| 22:46.25 | GJdan | is there a way to test changes to xorg.conf? |
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| 22:49.44 | rudi_s | GJdan: Start X? |
| 22:50.07 | rudi_s | The worst thing that can happen is that it crashes (okay it could crash your computer, but you can restart). |
| 22:50.51 | GJdan | heh, not too sure how, so far I've been logging out on the main computer and seeing what happens, but that's a pain >.< |
| 22:51.53 | rudi_s | GJdan: Logging out? Go to a virtual terminal (Ctrl-Alt-F1) and start X with startx/xinit and see if it works. Terminate it with Ctrl-Alt-Backspace (if that works) or kil the X process. |
| 22:51.57 | rudi_s | *kill |
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| 22:54.48 | GJdan | I'm stuck in the commandline at the moment lol, how do you reboot from the command line? |
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| 22:55.23 | rudi_s | GJdan: reboot as root, or maybe sudo reboot. |
| 22:55.37 | GJdan | command not found |
| 22:55.41 | rudi_s | But what's wrong with the commandline? ;-) (I'm "stuck" with it all the time.) |
| 22:55.45 | rudi_s | GJdan: Are you root? |
| 22:55.50 | rudi_s | shutdown -r now also works. |
| 22:55.57 | GJdan | hmm no, shutdown also isn't found |
| 22:56.11 | GJdan | k, got it lol |
| 22:56.59 | hay | hi all... after installing Debian (everything goes on normally) server reboots and then it's stuck at "F1 Linux, F2 EXT" and it prints Boot: F1 ####" endlessly... I had to use USB stick to install network drivers and the USB nor the CD is not present at the moment... how can I solve it? rescue mode from installation CD? and then? TIA |
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| 22:59.49 | GJdan | damnit I don't know what to do about this rv770 >.> |
| 23:00.03 | blue_sky | where have all the packages gone? according to package.debian.org/testing/ there are at least a dozen different pop3 servers, but when I try to install any (apart from qpopper) they can't be found. |
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| 23:00.47 | blue_sky | s/package/packages/ |
| 23:01.59 | Saar | stew: looks like the repositories are in sync again |
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| 23:03.04 | MojoWork2 | hi. i'm trying to pin a package, skytools (and indirectly it's related package skytools-modules-8.3). There is also a skytools-modules-8.4 which depends on a later verion of skytools. despite this in /etc/apt/preferences: Package: skytools \n Pin: version 2.1.7-1 \n Pin-Priority: 1001, when i aptitude safe-upgrade, it tries to install the modules-8.4 and upgrade skytools. what am i doing wrong? |
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| 23:05.27 | Saar | actually I talked too soon, it just depends on the IP it's pointing to |
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| 23:07.51 | MojoWork2 | nevermind |
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| 23:12.16 | Gibbit | is it a good idea to update xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd? it seems that it supports rv770 starting in version 1.2.2 and I have 1.2.1 |
| 23:12.28 | Gibbit | but it wants to make a shitload of changes that scare me >.< |
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| 23:28.32 | doudou | hi abrotman, do you remmember what big ashole you are? |
| 23:28.50 | doudou | does every body knows that fact? |
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| 23:31.09 | thewanderer1 | hey, I ran php-cgi -b [::1]:8200 but it doesn't seem to bind to this address actually |
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| 23:41.45 | laurus | Are there any PDAs that work with Debian? |
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| 23:55.14 | laurus | Are there any smartphones that work with Debian easily? |
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| 23:57.02 | abrotman | work with? |
| 23:57.04 | abrotman | in what way? |
| 23:57.25 | laurus | abrotman, basically I want to get some kind of small portable device that I can install Debian on and use some basic programs like a text editor, a dictionary, etc. |
| 23:57.32 | ex-parrot | anyone here used the miredo packages from squeeze successfully as a relay? |
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| 23:58.22 | abrotman | laurus: ah okay .. i thought you meant sync/etc ... |
| 23:58.31 | laurus | abrotman, ah, no... do you have any ideas? |
| 23:58.35 | abrotman | laurus: you might want to ask #emdebian ... not sure if that's the same kind of thing or not |
| 23:58.46 | laurus | Well, it's an empty channel :( |
| 23:58.49 | abrotman | laurus: though many of the android phones let you run sidebyside |
| 23:59.00 | laurus | abrotman, basically I wouldn't be using this as a phone at all |
| 23:59.04 | abrotman | laurus: #emdebian is on irc.oftc.net |
| 23:59.05 | laurus | It would just be a mini device to use on a train |
| 23:59.08 | laurus | abrotman, oh ok! |
| 23:59.19 | abrotman | laurus: does it have to run Debian? N900? |
| 23:59.25 | abrotman | erm .. 810 .. whichever |
| 23:59.27 | ex-parrot | laurus: you can boot Squeeze on the Eken M001 android tablet natively... it's not the greatest device though |
| 23:59.34 | ex-parrot | it does cost about $100 USD though, so it wins on price |
| 23:59.50 | laurus | abrotman, ex-parrot: Basically I only need 1) a text editor, 2) a dictionary program that can handle EPWing dictionaries |
