| 00:00.00 | laurus | So technically I don't need Debian, I just want to avoid all the "apps" garbage |
| 00:00.05 | laurus | And I don't need phone servie |
| 00:00.07 | laurus | service |
| 00:00.10 | ex-parrot | the Eken hasn't got a keyboard and the power management isn't very good under Debian |
| 00:00.20 | ex-parrot | how about a netbook? |
| 00:00.39 | laurus | ex-parrot, I need something that can operate in very cramped conditions |
| 00:00.55 | laurus | Like a PDA or smartphone sized device :| |
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| 00:01.28 | ex-parrot | laurus: oh right, got you. iirc some of the older ipaqs and so on have quite servicable linux ports |
| 00:01.37 | laurus | ex-parrot, what is an ipaq? |
| 00:01.39 | abrotman | hehe .. ipaq :) |
| 00:01.41 | abrotman | !ipaq |
| 00:01.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ipaq is an Hand-Held Computer by Compaq... (www.compaq.com) |
| 00:01.50 | abrotman | they're so old .. they were made by compaq :) |
| 00:01.54 | laurus | I see |
| 00:01.55 | ex-parrot | the Psion Series 5MX can run Debian ARM port quite well |
| 00:01.59 | dvs | who? |
| 00:02.02 | ex-parrot | but that's from ~ 1998 |
| 00:02.04 | dvs | ;-) |
| 00:02.05 | laurus | ex-parrot, this M100 thing looks kind of neat |
| 00:02.32 | ex-parrot | laurus: it is, it's not especially well supported but it's surprisingly usable |
| 00:02.45 | laurus | Wow, Psion 5mx looks funny :) |
| 00:02.54 | laurus | ex-parrot, how do you enter text on it in Debian without a keyboard? |
| 00:02.57 | abrotman | laurus: why not just a netbook ? |
| 00:02.58 | laurus | The M100 I mean |
| 00:03.09 | ex-parrot | on-screen keyboard, matchbox has an alright one and I'm sure there are others |
| 00:03.22 | laurus | ex-parrot, can it handle IME? |
| 00:03.26 | laurus | Such as scim or ibus? |
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| 00:03.37 | ex-parrot | laurus: no idea sorry, I have no use case for that. |
| 00:04.52 | s3a | Could someone please tell me if I can install Debian on an Archos 5 Model: 501313 |
| 00:05.21 | laurus | ex-parrot, what is matchbox exactly? Just a window manager? |
| 00:05.39 | s3a | I noticed the CPU is ARM but I still don't get the difference between ARM and ARMEL |
| 00:06.09 | laurus | Also, ex-parrot, can I run a GNOME application through Matchbox? |
| 00:06.12 | ex-parrot | laurus: it's most of a desktop environment for small devices. it's got toolboxes, window manager, etc |
| 00:06.13 | ex-parrot | yeah you can |
| 00:06.15 | s3a | A "no" would also be useful |
| 00:06.21 | s3a | so I don't waste my time |
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| 00:08.36 | laurus | ex-parrot, do you own one of these things? |
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| 00:09.26 | ex-parrot | laurus: yeah I do |
| 00:09.35 | laurus | ex-parrot, wow, running Debian? |
| 00:09.48 | ex-parrot | yep. I've been hacking at it a little bit |
| 00:10.07 | laurus | Would you mind testing one thing for me? Of course if you don't want to or don't have time I understand |
| 00:10.11 | laurus | But I might actually get this |
| 00:10.12 | ex-parrot | I'm still using the android kernel but hoping to get the open source WM8505 kernel running |
| 00:10.17 | laurus | Oh, awesome! |
| 00:10.21 | laurus | :) |
| 00:10.23 | ex-parrot | laurus: I would love to but I don't have the tablet at work with me |
| 00:10.33 | laurus | ex-parrot, oh, ok, sure, no problem |
| 00:10.40 | laurus | Basically here's the one thing I need for sure if I buy this |
| 00:10.44 | laurus | I need it to be able to run ibus |
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| 00:10.59 | laurus | ex-parrot: http://code.google.com/p/ibus/ |
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| 00:11.25 | laurus | ex-parrot, you can see the screen shots on that page |
| 00:11.43 | ex-parrot | ah yep, no idea if that would work or not |
| 00:11.50 | laurus | Hmm ok... |
| 00:11.58 | laurus | I feel like if the darn thing had a keyboard, it would work for sure, right? |
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| 00:12.43 | ex-parrot | hard to say. does ibus hook in to GTK text entry fields or something? |
| 00:13.07 | laurus | ex-parrot, I think that's how it works, yes |
| 00:13.58 | laurus | ex-parrot, is it possible to use a different keyboard with matchbox? |
| 00:14.10 | laurus | Like, instead of that qwerty thing showing up, could I change it? |
| 00:14.27 | ex-parrot | laurus: you can run any on-screen keyboard you like, it's just debian afterall :) |
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| 00:15.07 | laurus | ex-parrot, is this the official matchbox site? http://matchbox-project.org/screenshots.html |
| 00:15.28 | ex-parrot | yup., |
| 00:15.38 | laurus | It seems a little outdated, the last update was in 2007? |
| 00:15.59 | jobu | great ardour is working good i did this small song with ardour --> http://aarepower.ch/gitarre/naja.mp3 |
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| 00:17.14 | ex-parrot | laurus: I run the matchbox WM on my netbook even, saves having to try and move windows around with a touchpad. |
| 00:17.22 | laurus | ex-parrot, I see. Cool. |
| 00:17.32 | laurus | What is the Debian package name for it? |
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| 00:17.51 | laurus | Just matchbox? |
| 00:18.01 | ex-parrot | the window manager is "matchbox-window-manager" |
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| 00:21.26 | laurus | ex-parrot, I found someone who did it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEoTOY2mZtg |
| 00:22.07 | ex-parrot | that looks pretty good, laurus |
| 00:22.23 | laurus | Yes it looks awesome! :) I can't read this but here's his blog post: http://blog.naver.com/PostView.nhn?blogId=dowkim10&logNo=120109769191 |
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| 00:24.28 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic please ... |
| 00:24.33 | laurus | Sorry abrotman. |
| 00:24.41 | abrotman | it's okay .. it's just going a bit long :) |
| 00:24.46 | laurus | :) |
| 00:24.50 | abrotman | and jarick might have some useful input |
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| 00:26.09 | s3a | Could someone please tell me if I can install Debian on an Archos 5 Model: 501313 |
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| 00:27.59 | abrotman | s3a: is it ARM? did you ask google ? |
| 00:28.11 | nardev | where are source files stored when i get them from repository? |
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| 00:28.47 | ex-parrot | nardev: are you using apt-get source? |
| 00:29.20 | nardev | yes |
| 00:29.27 | ex-parrot | the current working directory |
| 00:29.28 | nardev | ex-parrot, yes |
| 00:29.57 | nardev | well i got them viasynaptic package manager so what is default location in that case? |
| 00:30.42 | abrotman | nardev: normally when you use apt-get it's $PWD |
| 00:30.48 | ex-parrot | I haven't used synaptic in a long time nardev, someone else will have to answer that |
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| 00:31.23 | nardev | thnx |
| 00:31.27 | nardev | both |
| 00:31.32 | nardev | i located it |
| 00:31.42 | nardev | just wonder which one is default of this paths |
| 00:31.58 | nardev | /var/cache/apt/archives/qc-usb-source_0.6.6-7_all.deb |
| 00:31.58 | nardev | /var/cache/modass/qc-usb-source.buildlog.2.6.32-5-amd64.1294942858 |
| 00:31.58 | nardev | /var/cache/modass/qc-usb-source.buildlog.2.6.32-5-amd64.1294942880 |
| 00:31.58 | nardev | /var/lib/dpkg/info/qc-usb-source.list |
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| 00:32.56 | nardev | http://paste.debian.net/104584 |
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| 00:33.46 | froggymana | hello. I'm trying to connect to a public wifi through debian, and it won't let me connect to it at all. I can only access it from windows. |
| 00:34.18 | froggymana | I have connected to other wireless networks before, and I have installed the proper drivers for my wireless card (broadcom) |
| 00:34.39 | ex-parrot | froggymana: using lenny? network-manager? |
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| 00:34.44 | nardev | froggymana, give semo more input |
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| 00:35.04 | nardev | past iwconfig |
| 00:35.04 | froggymana | On squeeze using the network-manager |
| 00:35.24 | froggymana | nardev: I don't know... |
| 00:35.35 | froggymana | would need to reboot to find out |
| 00:35.41 | nardev | open your shell |
| 00:35.45 | nardev | login as root |
| 00:35.52 | nardev | type that command |
| 00:36.02 | Moult | whenever i log into my system it says "you have new mail", where on earth is it checking it from? |
| 00:36.04 | nardev | and past output of that command |
| 00:36.23 | froggymana | nardev: OK... I'll reboot, and save the log to the windows partition |
| 00:36.23 | nardev | Moult, type mail |
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| 00:36.37 | nardev | in command prompt |
| 00:37.27 | stew | Moult: /var/mail/username |
| 00:37.30 | abrotman | he asked where ... |
| 00:37.34 | Moult | nardev: then it says 'no mail for xx', where xx is my username |
| 00:37.36 | abrotman | !beer stew |
| 00:37.36 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Bornem Tripple for stew |
| 00:37.42 | abrotman | nummy! |
| 00:38.19 | Moult | stew: /var/mail/myusername is a blank file :S |
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| 00:39.35 | froggyman | nardev, that was odd... It automagically connected me to it after rebooting.... Perhaps their router needed to assign something to my computer? |
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| 00:40.19 | stew | hmm it should be /var/mail/username according to "man pam_mail" |
| 00:40.43 | stew | /etc/pam.d/login:session optional pam_mail.so standard |
| 00:41.44 | Xenguy | Hi again - after upgrading to squeeze, my console fonts are quite small now, and I'd like to return them to their previous 'normal' size. Is there a utility I can use to configure this? |
| 00:42.14 | Xenguy | er, my console font* |
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| 00:43.21 | Moult | stew and nardev i think the question is "where is is the configuration setting for 'where it should check mail from'" |
| 00:44.02 | roe | how does one figure out what mta is installed? |
| 00:44.18 | Xenguy | roe: it's exim by default |
| 00:44.21 | daedhel | Xenguy, you would have to change your framebuffer resolution, probably in the kernel command line in your grub config |
| 00:44.23 | roe | yes I know that |
| 00:44.31 | roe | but that wasn't really my question |
| 00:45.08 | Xenguy | roe: well there's only so many :-) |
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| 00:45.16 | roe | Xenguy, you'd be surprised |
| 00:45.31 | nardev | Moult, it's system mail |
| 00:45.45 | nardev | just log in to your account where you get that message and |
| 00:45.48 | Xenguy | roe: you could check for the usual suspects in /etc/init.d ? |
| 00:45.49 | stew | Moult: man pam_mail |
| 00:45.54 | nardev | in shell type "mail" |
| 00:46.07 | roe | bash: mail: command not found |
| 00:46.16 | stew | Moult: and look for pam_mail in /etc/pam.d but be CAREFUL when editing stuff in /etc/pam.d, you can easily make it imposssible to login |
| 00:46.16 | nardev | froggyman, good for you :D |
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| 00:46.30 | Moult | no worries, thanks both stew and nardev :) |
| 00:47.06 | froggyman | nardev, It seems rather odd to me that it wasn't working then did all of sudden... But I'm not much of a networking guy, so what do i know? :) |
| 00:47.07 | Xenguy | daedhel: OK, duly noted but I feel there must be another way :-/ |
| 00:47.37 | daedhel | Xenguy, what do you mean "another way" ? |
| 00:48.08 | Xenguy | daedhel: another method for accomplishing the same goal ? |
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| 00:48.28 | daedhel | ? |
| 00:48.33 | daedhel | that's how you do it |
| 00:49.09 | Xenguy | daedhel: OK, thanks, as I said, duly noted :-) |
| 00:49.17 | Moult | stew: ah yes i can set the dir to the proper mail location in /etc/pam.d/login thanks that was what i was looking for |
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| 00:49.35 | daedhel | np |
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| 00:55.09 | nardev | what is the name of debian dummy package which purpose is to educate new DD-s and used as example how to package? |
| 00:55.25 | abrotman | !nmg |
| 00:55.25 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
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| 00:55.36 | abrotman | that one ? |
| 00:56.05 | nardev | well i found the docs but |
| 00:56.23 | nardev | i think there is package in repos for that purpose |
| 00:56.41 | abrotman | docs should say |
| 00:56.42 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:57.10 | nardev | :( can't find it :( have to read all |
| 00:57.47 | tharkun | Gentlemen how do i move email from an mbox file format to an imap style directory format (Sorry can't recall the correct name of the format)? |
| 00:57.58 | laurus | tharkun, you probably mean maildir |
| 00:58.02 | abrotman | tharkun: mb2md |
| 00:58.22 | abrotman | or set both systems up for IMAP, and use uhm .. imapmove? |
| 00:58.34 | laurus | tharkun, see http://wiki.dovecot.org/Migration/MailFormat |
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| 01:04.00 | tharkun | abrotman: well the file is a pst type file which will end up on an icedove enabled machine. No use choking the imap server with 3gb worth of email. But nontheless it is a good idea |
| 01:04.07 | tharkun | laurus: reading thx |
| 01:04.18 | laurus | tharkun, you're welcoem :) |
| 01:04.46 | abrotman | tharkun: pst isn't mbox |
| 01:05.13 | tharkun | abrotman: yes but readpst is a wonderfull little program |
| 01:05.29 | abrotman | ah okay |
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| 01:16.19 | Captain | does anyone know if anyone has made some backupninja scripts to detect if your box has been compromised? |
| 01:16.59 | Captain | i just had a crazy thought of basically diffing the last two snaps and reporting all changed files |
| 01:17.24 | Captain | it's good if you have a predictable set of files that you expect to be changed and nothing more... |
| 01:17.53 | Captain | ( i've just been rooted, obviously, so i'm thinking about these things :( ) |
| 01:18.23 | Captain | if someone knows where documentation on rdiff-backup's metadata is, that would probably be the cleanest route... |
| 01:20.01 | meder | anyone know the shortcut for toggling lcd brightness |
| 01:20.03 | meder | i know there is one |
| 01:20.13 | meder | i cant seem to fix my lcd brightness after sleep mode |
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| 01:24.00 | Kano | why does single mode ask for root pw and WRITES the pw? |
| 01:24.10 | Kano | when you enter it |
| 01:24.13 | Kano | thats stupid |
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| 01:28.50 | Vasistha | I've been using a typical entry in /etc/fstab for a long time: /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbflash auto user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 01:29.19 | Kano | since when do you need an entry for usb devices |
| 01:30.24 | Vasistha | this has served me for a long time, mounting ext2, ext3, and vfat drives. However, recently I had need to mount a vfat drive with case sensitivity, so I added shortname=mixed to the optins. But now I cannot mount ext2 drives, I guess because that (vfat only) option overrides the "auto" fs detection, and makes it look only for vfat volumes |
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| 01:30.56 | Kano | then use a differnet mountpoint for vfat |
| 01:30.57 | Vasistha | Kano: um... I guess it's just an old habit? How else would I mount a usb device, if not with the help of /etc/fstab ? |
| 01:31.10 | Kano | Vasistha: kde/gnome can do that |
| 01:31.13 | Vasistha | Kano: oh! well, that is a great idea. Thanks for your suggestion, I will do that. |
| 01:31.23 | Kano | you can even select mixed mode |
| 01:31.27 | Kano | in options |
| 01:32.17 | Vasistha | Kano: ah, but I've disabled those auto-mounters, because I like to work on the command line. But it's good to know I can select that if I decide to do the graphically-oriented thing at some point in the future |
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| 01:34.24 | poppiez | I'm trying to umount my new harddrive after copying a bunch of files to it. the copy is done, but when I umount I get "device is busy". lsof isn't showing me anything useful |
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| 01:35.24 | gnutron | poppiez: is that hdd your current working directory? get out of it. |
| 01:35.35 | poppiez | gnutron: nop, it isn't |
| 01:36.08 | gnutron | poppiez: are you root? |
| 01:36.20 | poppiez | gnutron: yes |
| 01:36.45 | gnutron | poppiez: that's odd. |
| 01:36.49 | poppiez | gnutron: if I'm a normal user I get: umount: /var/tempora is not in the fstab (and you are not root) |
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| 01:37.41 | gnutron | poppiez: where do you normally mount this hdd? |
| 01:38.19 | Vasistha | poppiez: if you have any terminal open with the mount point as PWD, or any graphical file manager window open to it, or any program open with that as the PWD, then you'll get that error. |
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| 01:38.33 | gnutron | poppiez: what does the 'mount' cmd show? |
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| 01:39.07 | Accelerator | If anyones familiar with CSF on debian, I have a problem. |
| 01:39.07 | Accelerator | Error: iptables command [/sbin/iptables -v -A INPUT -i ! lo -p --dport 6667 -m state --state NEW -m recent --set --name 6667] failed, at line 1417 |
| 01:39.23 | poppiez | gnutron: http://pastebin.com/jbha9RtD |
| 01:39.53 | poppiez | Vasistha: hmm, there might be someone who has forgot the shut down their terminal. any way close it for them? |
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| 01:40.26 | Vasistha | poppiez: uh... would that person have been using the hdd? |
| 01:41.03 | poppiez | Vasistha: the system administrator partioned the harddrive earlier today and mounted it to /var/tempora. obviously, he must have forgot to close the terminal again |
| 01:41.15 | poppiez | partitioned* |
| 01:41.20 | Accelerator | http://pastie.org/private/pytnts7zshgsrp6ols3q |
| 01:41.35 | poppiez | I can see with "who" that he's still there |
| 01:41.41 | poppiez | from earlier today |
| 01:42.31 | Vasistha | poppiez: yeah, that could definitely cause the problem. hmm. well, as root, you can kill his terminal if you know the process id. I'd recommend first kill -15 then kill -2 then kill -1 if the others don't work |
| 01:43.25 | poppiez | Vasistha: how can I get the process id? |
| 01:43.36 | gnutron | poppiez: ps aux |
| 01:44.22 | Kano | poppiez: pidof xxxx |
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| 01:47.43 | poppiez | I think I've killed them all. however, root on tty1 is still there. can't determine whether that's system specific? |
| 01:48.32 | poppiez | much be a local root session from the system adm |
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| 01:48.38 | poppiez | must* |
| 01:49.30 | Vasistha | poppiez: what is the command being run? |
| 01:49.42 | poppiez | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:50.03 | Vasistha | poppiez: are you at the terminal, or sshing in? |
| 01:50.08 | poppiez | SSH |
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| 01:50.24 | Vasistha | poppiez: I don't know for certain, but there's a good chance that's it |
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| 01:50.37 | poppiez | I can see my terminal (pts/0) |
| 01:50.45 | poppiez | so he must be tty1 |
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| 01:51.05 | Vasistha | poppiez: that's a natural place to go |
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| 01:52.15 | poppiez | Vasistha: thank you for your time and help. killing tty1 fixed it. I can now umount, yay ;) |
| 01:52.31 | poppiez | gnutron: you too :) |
| 01:52.36 | Vasistha | poppiez: fyi you're not killing tty1, you're killing "login" |
| 01:52.47 | poppiez | Vasistha: yea, sorry |
| 01:52.59 | laurus | Does anyone know of an on-screen keyboard app that supports different character sets than English letters? |
| 01:53.01 | Vasistha | glad to help |
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| 02:04.42 | seeker7 | abrotman: printer workforce-610 may not be connected --- so how do i get it connected it is a wireless printer |
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| 02:04.50 | abrotman | ? |
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| 02:05.44 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 02:06.02 | johnfg | I've got testing/squeeze installed, but it's not my production system. |
| 02:06.17 | johnfg | I just read that there's rc1 for the squeeze installer. |
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| 02:06.55 | johnfg | If I do a safe-upgrade will that update to the new installer? |
| 02:07.04 | johnfg | If not, how do I do so? |
| 02:07.10 | jordanm | johnfg: well, since its d-i it really only applies to new installations |
| 02:07.25 | daedhel | johnfg, you dont need the installer once the system is installed |
| 02:07.42 | jordanm | johnfg: its just a debian installer release. I am sure they would like for you to test or even fix things on their known issues page :) |
| 02:08.28 | johnfg | OK, that makes sense. Unfortunately, I'm doing way more with lenny than testing, so I wouldn't be much good on the test or fix front. |
| 02:08.55 | johnfg | I should check and see if things are working, yet, with kerberos and openafs. |
| 02:09.39 | johnfg | Actually, add openldap in there, but I think that it's okay, kerberos, too; but I couldn't get openafs to install and run on testing. |
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| 02:12.01 | seeker7 | i am trying to print to my wireless and it is saying it is not connected |
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| 02:15.28 | t3a | can someone help me? http://pastie.org/1458649 |
| 02:16.17 | cockroach | hey, small question: it seems the squeeze installer chooses a network interface to run DHCP automatically (I'm currently porting a preseed installation to squeeze). |
| 02:16.26 | cockroach | is there a way to force it to ask me which interface to use? |
| 02:16.38 | jordanm | t3a: a) use the init script b) you need a valid ServerName with a matching /etc/hosts entry c) you should kill the currently running httpd daemon before starting a new one |
| 02:17.40 | t3a | where is the init script |
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| 02:17.51 | seeker7 | abrotman: i am trying to print to my wireless and it is saying it is not connected |
| 02:17.53 | jordanm | t3a: /etc/init.d with all the others |
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| 02:19.21 | t3a | jordanm, http://pastie.org/1458654 thats my etc/hosts |
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| 02:20.14 | t3a | init.d is empty |
| 02:20.20 | jordanm | doesn't seem to include a FQDN |
| 02:20.30 | jordanm | t3a: then your not running a *nix OS |
| 02:21.04 | t3a | debian sids? |
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| 02:26.31 | acu | hey guys - daily d-i installs 2.6.35 while debian squezze rc1 downloads 2.6.29 ? |
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| 02:27.28 | cjhmdm | hello, what ports would I need to open for remote mysql authentication on the requesting server? |
| 02:28.46 | cjhmdm | I have 2 servers.. the one with the database has all ports open properly but when I enable my firewall on the 2nd server, I'm unable to connect to the database on server 1. even when opening tcp port 3306 for both incoming and outgoing |
| 02:29.31 | jordanm | acu: if that is the case, you should file a bug |
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| 02:30.02 | t3a | is there a command to easily reinstall/repair debian |
| 02:30.21 | jordanm | cjhmdm: it needs to be configured to listen on tcp |
| 02:30.31 | jordanm | t3a: restore from backup? |
| 02:30.33 | acu | jordanm: I just downloaded the debina-sq-di-rc1-amd-netinst.iso - I did not install it - I will now soon |
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| 02:31.01 | t3a | well im trying to get a quick fix for apache |
| 02:31.03 | doughj3 | Anyone have a recommended tftp server? |
| 02:31.10 | t3a | and i dont have any good backups |
| 02:31.31 | cjhmdm | jordanm: I don't understand. when i disable the firewall, I am able to connect to the remote db, but when i enable the firewall (with port 3306 open) I am unable to connect.. could you inform me what else I need to change? |
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| 02:47.29 | cesurasean | For some reason when I put a 2nd drive into my machine, grub goes to a grub command prompt. Why is this? |
| 02:47.51 | cesurasean | Does that mean RAID hasn't been built correctly? |
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| 02:48.17 | karlpinc | cesurasean: What sort of raid? |
| 02:48.37 | cesurasean | the drive with the good system is on the master on the primary IDE, and the secondary device is on the seconady IDE channel with no grub. for some reason i get a grub command prompt? |
| 02:48.38 | cesurasean | RAID 1 |
| 02:48.54 | abrotman | renaming /dev/sd* ? |
| 02:48.56 | abrotman | use UUID? |
| 02:49.19 | cesurasean | how do i edit grub and see what the current settings are? |
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| 02:50.19 | cesurasean | error: symbol not found: 'grub_putchar". |
| 02:50.23 | cesurasean | that's the error im getting. |
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| 02:51.39 | abrotman | that's a grub2 module ? |
| 02:52.35 | rsouthard | does debian have a group equal to wheel? |
| 02:53.24 | Vasistha | rsouthard: maybe adm but I'm not sure |
| 02:53.34 | cesurasean | abrotman, does it sound like i need to reinstall grub? |
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| 02:54.10 | karlpinc | !tell rsouthard about wheel |
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| 02:54.43 | karlpinc | rsouthard: So, only if you want it. |
| 02:55.19 | cesurasean | how do i chroot, and reinstall grub2? |
| 02:55.21 | doughj3 | Anyone have experience with tftpd? |
| 02:55.30 | abrotman | cesurasean: does your grub use UUIDs? |
| 02:55.40 | abrotman | doughj3: it's a pain :) |
| 02:55.46 | doughj3 | heh |
| 02:56.22 | cesurasean | not sure |
| 02:56.24 | karlpinc | doughj3: tail -f is your friend. |
| 02:56.26 | doughj3 | I can't seem to connect to it :[ |
| 02:56.34 | karlpinc | doughj3: tail the logs. |
| 02:56.37 | cesurasean | abrotman, how do i chroot from the live cd, and reinstall grub2? |
| 02:56.56 | karlpinc | doughj3: I always run it as a stand-alone daemon. It seems easier to debug that way and why not? |
| 02:56.58 | himuraken | Evening all. I have asked this before but wanted to take a second sampling if you will./ Squeeze, is it stable enough for internal NFS serving? Not exposed to outside. TIA. |
| 02:57.10 | doughj3 | karlpinc: what do you mean by that? |
| 02:57.20 | abrotman | cesurasean: why not just unplug the second drive, boot, fix it, reboot ? |
| 02:57.48 | SerajewelKS | himuraken: if it were up to me, i would not run squeeze on mission-critical production hardware |
| 02:58.08 | SerajewelKS | himuraken: because it is not stable -- and by that i mean that the distribution changes almost daily |
| 02:58.36 | SerajewelKS | himuraken: it might not crash, but it's not stable by debian's definition of stable |
| 02:58.39 | cesurasean | abrotman, so reboot into the system, and then reinstall grub2, or something? |
| 02:58.41 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: it's barely changing now |
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| 02:59.05 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: that doesn't change my opinion |
| 02:59.13 | abrotman | cesurasean: if you edit your grub stuff at the grub prompt, you should be able to tell .. it will say root=234gfaw43rawfasfw3ra or root=/dev/sda or something |
| 02:59.17 | SerajewelKS | until it becomes stable, i would not use it on production machines |
| 02:59.27 | himuraken | SerajewelKS, thanks! |
| 02:59.30 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: a bigger concern shuld be the lack of security support at this poinhjt |
| 02:59.42 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: that's a good point too |
| 02:59.49 | himuraken | Im up in the air about doing dist-upgr |
| 03:00.00 | abrotman | himuraken: internal or external ? |
| 03:00.02 | himuraken | Should I worry about going Lenny to Squeeze when the tme comes? |
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| 03:00.04 | SerajewelKS | himuraken: as abrotman said, squeeze doesn't get security updates |
| 03:00.05 | himuraken | abrotman, interal |
| 03:00.06 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: internal |
| 03:00.12 | himuraken | Yeah I am thinking lenny again |
| 03:00.14 | cesurasean | abrotman, shouldn't grub 2 reinstall fix my problem? |
| 03:00.21 | abrotman | himuraken: up to you |
| 03:00.33 | abrotman | himuraken: at this point, squeeze has fewer RC bugs than lenny |
| 03:00.43 | SerajewelKS | himuraken: when squeeze becomes stable, i would update after reading the errata |
| 03:00.49 | Kano | abrotman: well did anybody test single mode... |
| 03:01.04 | abrotman | not my system, i just asked if he was using UUIDs |
| 03:01.38 | himuraken | hrmm. what to do... This box will host vmdks and .vdi files for 10-15 VM's |
| 03:01.43 | himuraken | THey are in production.. |
| 03:01.43 | SerajewelKS | himuraken: if lenny's release was any indication, the previous distribution will get security updates for a little while to give people time to transition |
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| 03:02.02 | SerajewelKS | himuraken: is the box broken in some way that a squeeze update will resolve? |
| 03:02.09 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: one yer |
| 03:02.10 | abrotman | year |
| 03:02.15 | himuraken | I am thinking that a base config of Lenny plus NFS ought to upgrade nicely when the time is right |
| 03:02.17 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: nod, thanks |
| 03:02.25 | SerajewelKS | himuraken: if it ain't broke, don't fix it |
| 03:02.28 | himuraken | SerajewelKS, not at all, the box is solid, was hoping to avoid dist upgrade |
| 03:02.37 | himuraken | burns another Lenny ISO |
| 03:02.40 | SerajewelKS | himuraken: upgrade once squeeze is released |
| 03:02.49 | himuraken | K thanks abrotman and SerajewelKS |
| 03:02.52 | SerajewelKS | himuraken: because you will only have a year of security updates for lenny once squeeze is out |
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| 03:03.10 | SerajewelKS | himuraken: that's a reason to upgrade |
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| 03:03.42 | SerajewelKS | himuraken: sns is not a reason to upgrade a working production system :) |
| 03:03.43 | himuraken | Cool |
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| 03:03.49 | himuraken | sns? |
| 03:03.54 | SerajewelKS | shiny new shit |
| 03:03.56 | SerajewelKS | !sns |
| 03:03.56 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 03:03.59 | himuraken | LOL agreed |
| 03:04.08 | larloch | how do I check what the optional dependancies of an installed package are? |
| 03:04.12 | rsouthard | where does the dpkg bot get it's replies? They are quite witty. |
| 03:04.28 | SerajewelKS | rsouthard: from people in this channel who have collaboratively programmed it |
| 03:04.50 | SerajewelKS | larloch: 'apt-cache show packagename' should tell you |
| 03:05.06 | abrotman | rsouthard: the bot has been fed all kinds of horrible things |
| 03:05.38 | larloch | SerajewelKS: no that doesnt seem to do it |
| 03:05.48 | rsouthard | Its pretty funny...Been typing words just to see its response. |
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| 03:06.11 | SerajewelKS | i see stoned has had some fun with my entry :) |
| 03:06.20 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: see he's not here anymore |
| 03:06.28 | SerajewelKS | larloch: maybe it doesn't have any optional dependencies |
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| 03:06.40 | rsouthard | !sex |
| 03:06.40 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install diaphram; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge diaphram; make clean; sleep |
| 03:07.03 | larloch | there were a bunch for fwsnort but I cant seem to check what they were. unless someone knows how to install the lastest snort rules into it, cause I cant figure it out. I was hoping they were an optional dependancy |
| 03:07.05 | abrotman | rsouthard: /msg please |
| 03:07.41 | SerajewelKS | larloch: on pdo i only see recommends, not optional |
| 03:07.56 | larloch | It came with no rules that I can see. |
| 03:08.14 | SerajewelKS | larloch: it has a Recommends: snort-rules-default |
| 03:08.14 | karlpinc | larloch: You might check with volatile.debian.org. |
| 03:08.16 | cesurasean | abrotman, i unplugged the drive, reinstalled grub2, and plugged the drive back in, rebooted. same error. |
| 03:08.24 | cesurasean | how do i fix this? |
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| 03:08.52 | karlpinc | larloch: See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware |
| 03:09.41 | abrotman | cesurasean: did you look to see if it was using UUID or not? |
| 03:09.49 | cesurasean | nope. im going to look now. |
| 03:09.56 | cesurasean | what file do i need to open and look at? |
| 03:10.10 | Kano | cesurasean: be sure you fix the /etc/fstab and run update-grub |
| 03:10.34 | Kano | http://kanotix.com/index.php?module=pnWikka&tag=Grub2recovery |
| 03:10.42 | Kano | thats the way i recover grub |
| 03:11.15 | larloch | Im on squeeze, volatile 404's on apt-get update |
| 03:11.48 | karlpinc | larloch: volatile is only for stable. But IIRC that's where the rule updates get released. |
| 03:12.23 | cesurasean | abrotman, grub2 config file seems to be using UUID. |
| 03:12.31 | stew | larloch: volatile is renamed squeeze-updates in squeeze |
| 03:12.54 | karlpinc | stew: (There had to be a way. Thanks.) |
| 03:12.58 | stew | larloch: and it will not have any packages |
| 03:12.58 | abrotman | cesurasean: the only other thing i've seen do that is adding a USB drive .. messed up the scanning somehow |
| 03:13.03 | stew | (yet) |
| 03:13.35 | Kano | abrotman: when you use an older grub2 version you need to use recheck option |
| 03:13.52 | Kano | or add the device to devices.map, otherwise update-grub will not work correctly |
| 03:13.57 | abrotman | Kano: i changed the BIOS .. fixed it just fine :) |
| 03:14.38 | cesurasean | abrotman, im not using any usb. |
| 03:14.41 | larloch | thanks alot for the help |
| 03:14.46 | abrotman | cesurasean: just commenting |
| 03:15.02 | cesurasean | so how do i fix this? |
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| 03:19.41 | cesurasean | abrotman, any idea? |
| 03:21.34 | abrotman | stop doing that? :) |
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| 03:22.19 | cesurasean | doing what? |
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| 03:23.45 | acu | guys - if I creat a custom install CD for debian (change the bootsplash and add some specific applications to be installed by default - etc and make a net-install still using the debian main repositories - do I need to change the name - or what is the procedure - since every bit is debian based - just a custom choice of applications and graphics ? |
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| 03:24.51 | cesurasean | arggghhhhh |
| 03:24.59 | cesurasean | why is this system booting like this? |
| 03:26.06 | karlpinc | acu: I _think_ you still call it debian if you use the debian repos. I could be wrong. I saw the policy somewhere. Check the debian faq? |
| 03:26.51 | karlpinc | acu: (and only the debian repos?) |
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| 03:27.17 | abrotman | cesurasean: the people in #grub are helpful sometimes, if they're awake |
| 03:27.43 | acu | yes this is what I intend - thee only thing I need is flashplugin-nonfree - I wish I could go around that - but not for now |
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| 03:29.50 | karlpinc | acu: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-redistrib.en.html#s-childistro |
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| 03:36.54 | bnk | hi all..how do you disable the framebuffer at startup? (this is on squeeze) |
| 03:38.28 | Kano | modeset? |
| 03:39.27 | abrotman | !fb |
| 03:39.27 | dpkg | Framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. X is a framebuffer system, as is berlin. If you're looking for the framebuffer console, ask me about <fbcon>, or ask about <blacklist> to negate it. To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. See also <uvesafb>. |
| 03:41.20 | bnk | can't stand the small fonts |
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| 03:49.14 | cesurasean | abrotman, what is the best way for me to explain my problem to #grub? |
| 03:49.38 | abrotman | cesurasean: tell them that when you add a device to the controller, grub fails to boot |
| 03:50.07 | cesurasean | thx |
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| 03:51.16 | cesurasean | abrotman, is it possible i don't have RAID setup correctly? |
| 03:51.27 | cesurasean | no? |
| 03:51.33 | abrotman | don't use swraid myself ... |
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| 04:04.58 | blahdeblah | Hi. Can anyone comment on what the default/preferred version of locate is on lenny? |
| 04:05.26 | Dewi | !versions locate |
| 04:05.44 | Dewi | ,versions locate |
| 04:05.44 | judd | Package locate on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.0-2; sid: 4.4.2-1+b1; squeeze: 4.4.2-1+b1; experimental: 4.5.9-1 |
| 04:05.57 | blahdeblah | Dewi: Not version as in version number, but version as in alternative |
| 04:06.10 | blahdeblah | There are at least 3 that i've seen: findutils, mlocate, and slocate |
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| 04:07.29 | Dewi | blahdeblah: there are inst/usage stats at http://popcon.debian.org/ |
| 04:07.33 | MagusOTB | what do I stick in the regexp to make sed delete all whitespace including newlines? I've tried sed s/\s//, and it doesn't work. |
| 04:08.23 | blahdeblah | Dewi: I guess i could look into that, but i'm not sure how relevant the popularity of the package is. I guess i was thinking: what's the default, and why? |
| 04:08.25 | Dewi | MagusOTB: I would do - perl -pe 'chomp; s/\s//;' |
| 04:08.29 | blahdeblah | goes to create a new lenny VM to find out |
| 04:08.44 | Tramp | MagusOTB: you can't easily delete newlines with sed |
| 04:08.52 | Dewi | MagusOTB: oops, regexp needs a g before ; |
| 04:09.38 | MagusOTB | like sg/\s// or gs/\s//? |
| 04:09.43 | MagusOTB | I don't know perl at all :\ |
| 04:09.51 | rpgdude | when i try to apt-get source on my netbook, i get an error |
| 04:10.15 | Dewi | blahdeblah: not sure what you mean by default. There is a package called "locate" which is built from findutils source... |
| 04:10.20 | rpgdude | E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/www.debian-multimedia.org_dists_squeeze_contrib_source_Sources - open (2: No such file or directory) |
| 04:10.36 | blahdeblah | Dewi: default as in "installed when you install a new system" |
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| 04:10.43 | Tramp | MagusOTB: to delete all whitespace from stdin, you can use tr -d '[:space:]' |
| 04:10.54 | blahdeblah | Dewi: I can find that out by creating a new VM, though. Thanks for your help |
| 04:10.55 | Dewi | rpgdude: does your sources.list contain source repos as well as binary? |
| 04:10.56 | IceWewe | has anyone followed the ISPmail guide to setting up dovecot and postfix? |
| 04:11.01 | Dewi | rpgdude: I mean deb-src lines |
| 04:11.13 | rpgdude | Dewi: yeah |
| 04:11.14 | Dewi | blahdeblah: locate isn't "installed on a new system" |
| 04:11.14 | MagusOTB | Tramp: oh wow. I totally forgot about tr. Thanks :D |
| 04:11.22 | Tramp | yw |
| 04:11.38 | blahdeblah | Dewi: It appears that you are right! :-) |
| 04:11.47 | Dewi | hehe |
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| 04:12.07 | blahdeblah | IceWewe: I haven't followed the ISPmail guide, but i have a couple working dovecot/postfix installs. |
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| 04:12.14 | Dewi | blahdeblah: debian is pretty minimal. If you end up with a lot of stuff it'll have been pulled in by a big subsystem or optional task |
| 04:12.14 | blahdeblah | IceWewe: What's the question? |
| 04:12.26 | rpgdude | is there a way to test it |
| 04:12.28 | IceWewe | blahdeblah, okay, perhaps you could be of some assistance. I'm trying to setup dovecot and postfix to use mysql for virtual users |
| 04:12.43 | Dewi | rpgdude: did you also 'apt-get update' ? |
| 04:12.55 | blahdeblah | IceWewe: I haven't done that, but i'm happy to /try/ to help |
| 04:12.55 | IceWewe | blahdeblah, but for some reason postfix is trying to use local for mail delivery, even though I've specified in main.cf virtual_transport=dovecot |
| 04:13.00 | rpgdude | i did aptitude update |
| 04:13.11 | IceWewe | blahdeblah, basically, postfix isn't using dovecot for mail delivery and I can't seem to figure out why :/ |
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| 04:13.42 | IceWewe | blahdeblah, I've tried putting dovecot in a higher order in master.cf, but that didn't change mail delivery |
| 04:13.52 | rpgdude | tried apt-get update, which failed, looks like a problem with the repo |
| 04:13.53 | blahdeblah | IceWewe: It was my understanding that dovecot cannot be used for mail delivery. I could be mistaken though. I use maildrop for delivery. |
| 04:14.06 | blahdeblah | IceWewe: Where's the guide you're following? |
| 04:14.07 | IceWewe | blahdeblah, dovecot is supposed to have a delivery agent |
| 04:14.13 | IceWewe | blahdeblah, I was just getting to that, one second |
| 04:14.22 | Dewi | rpgdude: does multimedia actually have a 'contrib' section? |
| 04:14.23 | IceWewe | blahdeblah, http://workaround.org/book/export/html/42 |
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| 04:15.07 | IceWewe | blahdeblah, I've finished the "Postfix to Database Mappings" as well as the Dovecot configuration |
| 04:15.23 | IceWewe | but for some reason when I try to telnet localhost smtp and send a message, postfix tries to use local, not dovecot |
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| 04:15.33 | Dewi | rpgdude: it seems like your deb-src line probably says "contrib"... see http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ for the correct line, fix it, update again? |
| 04:15.43 | rpgdude | yeah thats it |
| 04:15.46 | rpgdude | thx Dewi |
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| 04:33.14 | swilson06 | i've got files with dates that are in the future, how do i find all of these files and set their creation time to today (or yesterday, or i really don't care when) ? |
| 04:33.42 | un214 | touch x ; find / -newer x |
| 04:34.23 | un214 | touch x ; find / -newer x -print0 | xargs touch |
| 04:34.28 | un214 | touch x ; find / -newer x -print0 | xargs -0 touch |
| 04:34.47 | swilson06 | thanks |
| 04:34.58 | dooglus | find . -mtime -0 -print0 | xargs -0 touch |
| 04:35.37 | Dewi | swilson06: find /path -mtime -0 -print0 | xargs -0r touch |
| 04:36.15 | dooglus | nice |
| 04:36.23 | dooglus | -r meaning don't run touch if no files are found |
| 04:36.25 | dooglus | didn't know about that |
| 04:36.37 | Dewi | yeah |
| 04:36.41 | un214 | well I had an old school answer |
| 04:36.46 | swilson06 | hummm, ah... didn't know about that, and i was using find -ntime.... |
| 04:37.00 | dooglus | un214: I think -newer is newer than -mtime |
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| 04:37.16 | un214 | actually -newer was in -AT&T find for driving the backup scripts |
| 04:37.49 | dooglus | un214: -mtime was in -AS&S |
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| 04:38.31 | un214 | funny thing about unix |
| 04:38.38 | un214 | 500 ways of solving problems |
| 04:39.18 | un214 | see the case of the machine that recovered from losing /bin, /dev, and /etc |
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| 04:39.57 | swilson06 | ok, last one, is there an easy way to get a list of the directories i've been in? i know i could do 'history | grep cd' and there's an $LPWD, but is there a better way? |
| 04:40.17 | swilson06 | oh, and $LPWD would be just as good as 'cd -'.... |
| 04:40.32 | un214 | not after that find command |
| 04:40.52 | swilson06 | seriously? |
| 04:41.00 | un214 | it's been to all of them |
| 04:41.38 | un214 | history | grep cd is your best bet |
| 04:41.58 | catsup | uh |
| 04:42.41 | catsup | not sure what you mean but external subprocess 'find' can't change the cwd of the shell |
| 04:42.48 | un214 | no it can't |
| 04:42.57 | un214 | but the shell doesn't remember so there is only atime |
| 04:43.29 | swilson06 | ah, that's what you were getting at.... right |
| 04:43.39 | catsup | um what |
| 04:43.53 | catsup | oh |
| 04:44.00 | catsup | i see |
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| 04:48.25 | newblistic | do motherboard batteries have to be a 2032? |
| 04:48.49 | newblistic | i have a 2025 and it looks like it will fit |
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| 04:49.52 | jordanm | would just try it... if CMOS works without a battery, how much damage can very little under voltage do... |
| 04:50.04 | urbanmonk | I have ssh key based authentication setup ... I've created another user on my server and just copied the .ssh folder of the user I normally log in with to that new user ... I've changed the ownership of the .ssh files so that they are owned by the new user ... yet when I ssh to the server with that new user I still get presented with a password |
| 04:50.18 | newblistic | it is the same voltage just a little thinner |
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| 04:50.55 | jordanm | urbanmonk: keys are generated for the user@hostname |
| 04:51.04 | un214 | .ssh/authorized_keys |
| 04:51.06 | jordanm | urbanmonk: make a 2nd key for the new user\ and add it |
| 04:51.30 | jordanm | eg. ...s99rx/7w== jordan@tesla.local |
| 04:51.33 | un214 | huh what I've copied keys around willy-nilly before |
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| 04:52.18 | jordanm | perhaps there is a way to drop the user from the public key. |
| 04:52.22 | urbanmonk | why do I need to make a second key? ... don't i just add my public key to the authorized_keys of any user/host that I want to connect to? (copying the .ssh folder should have this effect) |
| 04:52.44 | jordanm | urbanmonk: not if id_rsa.pub includes user@hostname |
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| 04:55.52 | un214 | definitely not |
| 04:56.02 | un214 | my id_dsa.pub ends with Administrator@ced-xp |
| 04:56.17 | un214 | that machine doesn't exist anymore |
| 04:56.36 | un214 | sorry jordanm |
| 04:56.41 | urbanmonk | jordanm: ok I just looked at my public key and it does have a user@host ... ok i'll give it a try (creating a second key) |
| 04:57.16 | Rusty1 | newblistic: check the mAh rating of the two |
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| 04:59.00 | newblistic | Rusty1: wouldnt i need like a multimeter for that? |
| 04:59.22 | Rusty1 | newblistic: GIYF |
| 04:59.54 | Rusty1 | GoogleIsYourFriend |
| 05:00.01 | newblistic | i just googled that |
| 05:00.04 | newblistic | haha |
| 05:00.54 | urbanmonk | jordanm: no that didn't work ... i'm surprised I seem to remember being able to copy my public key all over the place ... as long as it was in authorized_keys of the user/host I was connecting to it would always let me in .... |
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| 05:01.05 | Dewi | google might be a better friend, but bing is easier to score drugs off |
| 05:01.21 | un214 | jordanm is simply wrong |
| 05:01.25 | Dewi | also sometimes google talks about me behind my back |
| 05:01.25 | un214 | I checked my own system |
| 05:01.38 | urbanmonk | hmmm |
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| 05:02.06 | newblistic | 2025 = 160 mah and 2032 = 220 mah |
| 05:02.24 | newblistic | so i gues that means i shouldnt even open the package |
| 05:02.27 | cesurasean | How do I go about shrinking a RAID array? |
| 05:02.41 | newblistic | i hate going to walmart |
| 05:03.44 | un214 | I have an invention for newblistic |
| 05:03.54 | un214 | it's called shopping online |
| 05:04.19 | cesurasean | ugh. |
| 05:04.27 | cesurasean | what is the easiest way to shrink a mdadm array? |
| 05:04.40 | un214 | find | cpio -p |
| 05:04.48 | un214 | and rebuild |
| 05:05.08 | cesurasean | huh? |
| 05:05.23 | un214 | copy all the files to a scratch pile |
| 05:05.29 | newblistic | un214: i dont mind going outside and i was at walmart for food anyways |
| 05:05.31 | un214 | reinitialize the array at its new smaller size |
| 05:05.40 | un214 | copy them back |
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| 05:05.57 | cesurasean | so with shrinking there is a chance of losing data? |
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| 05:06.11 | un214 | beats the heck outta me |
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| 05:06.36 | un214 | you asked for easiest, not fastest or most efficient |
| 05:06.42 | un214 | that is certainly the easiest |
| 05:08.50 | Rusty1 | newblistic: dont be surprised if wally world doesnt carry the bttry you need |
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| 05:09.31 | newblistic | Rusty1: im sure wally is spinning in his grave as we speak |
| 05:09.32 | jeremym | does debian have an lvm deb file |
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| 05:11.10 | Rusty1 | jeremym: apt-cache policy lvm2 |
| 05:12.37 | jeremym | ty |
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| 05:19.22 | cesurasean | I'm trying to follow http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-resize-raid-partitions-shrink-and-grow-software-raid ; when it says to boot into rescue mode, does that mean recovery mode? because i don't see how you check the disk while it's mounted? |
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| 05:21.02 | cesurasean | is it not safe to run e2fsck while mounted? |
| 05:21.10 | cesurasean | the tutorial suggest on doing that, so it seems |
| 05:21.30 | un214 | It's safe on ext2 but not ext3 or ext4 |
| 05:21.39 | un214 | and then only with -n |
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| 05:21.54 | un214 | it used to be safe on early 2.0 kernels (no dnode/inode cache) |
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| 05:24.49 | cesurasean | un214, so i must use a live cd or something and chroot in order to resize my partitions? |
| 05:25.12 | un214 | unless there's a shrink program for whichever partition |
| 05:25.23 | un214 | then again any filesystem but / can be dismounted for maintenance |
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| 05:37.17 | mick_laptop | hi everyone |
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| 05:38.22 | mick_laptop | I'm new to reprepro, what is the part about "Label: " mean for the config file |
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| 05:41.09 | _Tavo_ | hello, can anyone tell me if the /proc/bus/usb/ folder exists in debian lenny? I need that and Ubuntu seems to have deprecated that way to access usb devices |
| 05:42.03 | xk | _Tavo_: it exists for me. |
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| 05:44.10 | _Tavo_ | thanks, xk |
| 05:44.26 | _Tavo_ | does anybody know how to mount it by hand? |
| 05:44.38 | mick_laptop | is -devel now only on oftc? |
| 05:45.07 | _Tavo_ | i tried to do it but it doesn't allow me to write the usb directory (being root) |
| 05:45.54 | xk | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:45.55 | xk | procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) |
| 05:46.36 | mick_laptop | lsattr -a ? |
| 05:46.42 | xk | mount -t usbfs procbususb /proc/bus/usb |
| 05:46.51 | mick_laptop | check for the immutable flag? (guessing) |
| 05:47.26 | mick_laptop | oh can't "create" oops |
| 05:47.30 | mick_laptop | misread that |
| 05:47.41 | mick_laptop | maybe i need to get some sleep |
| 05:47.43 | mick_laptop | :) |
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| 05:55.40 | sanjoyd | What does this mean: "update-alternatives: error: alternative path /usr/lib/nvidia/diversions/libGL.so.1 doesn't exist."? |
| 05:55.54 | sanjoyd | The file /usr/lib/nvidia/diversions/libGL.so.1 exists, I checked. |
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| 06:45.50 | Third3ye | Hey folks -- having problems with gksu apparently, as I can't start applications that are opened via the "System -> Administration" menu -- I get a gksu request, and enter the password, but after that nothing changes and I see an authentication failure in /var/log/auth.log |
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| 06:47.13 | Third3ye | I got Debian Lenny |
| 06:49.44 | unkdcc | wrong password i guest. |
| 06:49.52 | unkdcc | Third3ye, |
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| 06:50.02 | Third3ye | It's not |
| 06:50.07 | Third3ye | That's what's so strange |
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| 06:50.55 | cesurasean | When howtoforge says "Boot into your rescue system and activate all needed modules:", does it mean chrooted on a live cd? |
| 06:51.14 | cesurasean | or into recovery mode? |
| 06:51.38 | Internat | Third3ye, are you entering your password or the root password? |
| 06:51.47 | Third3ye | My password |
| 06:51.50 | unkdcc | u-u |
| 06:52.03 | unkdcc | Third3ye, try the root password |
| 06:52.06 | Internat | tried roots password? |
| 06:52.14 | Internat | qksu sounds like su not sudo |
| 06:52.16 | unkdcc | y |
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| 06:53.19 | Third3ye | Wtf |
| 06:53.20 | Third3ye | It worked |
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| 06:53.27 | idiotas | So guys.. |
| 06:53.28 | Third3ye | But why do I need the root pass? |
| 06:53.30 | idiotas | What is this for chan? :)) |
| 06:53.31 | cesurasean | can someone help me out! i need help resizing a current mdadm array! |
| 06:53.54 | idiotas | server = "140.211.166.4" |
| 06:53.54 | idiotas | port = 6667 |
| 06:53.54 | idiotas | nick = "".join(random.choice(string.letters) for _ in range(8)) |
| 06:53.54 | idiotas | channel = "#debian" |
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| 06:53.55 | unkdcc | Third3ye, this is because u change a system configuration! |
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| 06:54.10 | Third3ye | idiotas: General discussion about Debian and helpbasically |
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| 06:54.25 | deeb_noob | Trying to install Debian from the netinst CD, it just hangs at "detecting network hardware" -- what should I do? |
| 06:54.33 | Third3ye | unkdcc: Well that's pretty glib, what setting have I precariously and unknowingly changed |
| 06:54.42 | idiotas | Oh okay. Thought it was some kinda of network which hold bots. Just saw a python irc-bot script on a machine. |
| 06:54.55 | cesurasean | Anyone awake? |
| 06:55.04 | unkdcc | idiotas, brazilian ?? O-o |
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| 06:56.01 | idiotas | Na, I'm not from Brazil. :)) |
| 06:56.23 | Dewi | Third3ye: what changed without your knowledge? |
| 06:57.04 | Third3ye | Good question, I have no idea. Installed via network, and using sudo in bash or tty requires the user password where as gksu requires root pw? |
| 06:57.07 | Third3ye | I am confused :S |
| 06:57.22 | Dewi | Third3ye: gksu isn't sudo |
| 06:58.11 | Dewi | Third3ye: gksudo might work more like you expect |
| 06:58.23 | unkdcc | Third3ye, sudo is a form to using root power in your system by u normal-user |
| 06:58.32 | Third3ye | Yeah, sept I'll have to edit each entry in gnome's menus :P |
| 06:58.43 | Third3ye | uh, unkdcc... this much is understood |
| 06:59.08 | unkdcc | u see .."Alacarte" pkg! |
| 06:59.14 | Third3ye | As to why sudo requires user password and gksudo requires root password is what's kind of baffling |
| 06:59.23 | Dewi | Third3ye: from manual: "Also notice that the library will decide if it should use su or sudo as backend using the /apps/gksu/sudo-mode gconf key, if you call the gksu command. You can force the backend by using the gksudo command, or by using the --sudo-mode and --su-mode options." |
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| 07:00.12 | Dewi | Third3ye: so try the gconf key for a centralized change I guess. I'm gonna make a note to try that myself... |
| 07:01.39 | deeb_noob | Installing Debian hangs at "detecting network hardware"... how can I troubleshoit this? |
| 07:02.57 | unkdcc | u using a vm? |
| 07:03.09 | unkdcc | deeb_noob, ? |
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| 07:05.31 | idiotas | Hm guys. In shell-scripting (#!/bin/bash) How to create a variable with the name of another variables content? |
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| 07:07.01 | deeb_noob | unkdcc: a vm? not sure what you mean... it's a standard pc with Asus mobo, celeron, and a PCI wireless card |
| 07:07.35 | blahdeblah | Hi. Is it possible to convert an LVM snapshot volume to a standalone volume and keep its contents? My reading of the lvconvert man page suggests it's only possible to merge it back into the origin. I want to convert it into an entirely new volume. |
| 07:07.49 | blahdeblah | deeb_noob: VM == Virtual Machine. Sounds like yours isn't. :-) |
| 07:08.14 | deeb_noob | oh, right... no, it's not a VM |
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| 07:09.31 | Dewi | blahdeblah: do it with dd? |
| 07:09.47 | deeb_noob | It's an ASUS P5KPL-AM Mobo, and a WLPCI54AG2 Wifi card |
| 07:09.56 | blahdeblah | Dewi: That was my next choice when i don't get a useful reply ;-) |
| 07:10.40 | blahdeblah | I would prefer not to dd, since a native LVM option would be much more efficient (especially if the snapshot is close to full), but obviously it will work. |
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| 07:11.05 | Dewi | blahdeblah: oh, is your snapshot big enough to hold the whole thing? |
| 07:11.13 | blahdeblah | No |
| 07:11.16 | blahdeblah | about 50% |
| 07:11.27 | blahdeblah | Still, that's close to 50% i wouldn't have to copy |
| 07:11.54 | cesurasean | how do i chroot my disk using the live cd? can someone please help? |
| 07:11.54 | Dewi | blahdeblah: if it was contiguous, yeah |
| 07:12.09 | Dewi | blahdeblah: does snapshotting only use whole extents? |
| 07:12.15 | blahdeblah | Dewi: yep |
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| 07:12.35 | blahdeblah | Dewi: contiguous doesn't matter. It still wouldn't have to copy them if they've already been copied into the snapshot. |
| 07:12.59 | blahdeblah | (Because PEs in an LV don't have to be in any particular order.) |
| 07:13.08 | Dewi | blahdeblah: in zfs the operation you describe is called promoting the snapshot |
| 07:13.17 | Dewi | blahdeblah: but googling that with lvm doesn't look good |
| 07:13.19 | blahdeblah | Yep - that's the basic idea |
| 07:13.29 | blahdeblah | No, looks like lvconvert needs a few new options |
| 07:13.47 | blahdeblah | cesurasean: I haven't used the Debian live CD for a very long time. What does it show you now? |
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| 07:14.36 | Dewi | !wwsr |
| 07:14.36 | dpkg | Squeeze is now frozen and will release <WIR>, <SIYH>, most likely in the first half of 2011. See http://lists.debian.org/20100806134418.GC9183@halon.org.uk and http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20101116b . See also <guess the release date>. |
| 07:14.53 | cesurasean | what is the password for the debian live cd to get to root access? |
| 07:15.02 | cesurasean | when i run su it asks for password. |
| 07:15.05 | Dewi | cesurasean: um, try live |
| 07:15.13 | blahdeblah | Dewi: It's only a 4 GB volume, so i'm just gonna dd it |
| 07:15.39 | Dewi | cesurasean: oh that's right, I think you just use sudo |
| 07:15.46 | Dewi | cesurasean: and it might be promptless? |
| 07:16.26 | Dewi | cesurasean: so try 'sudo -s' instead of 'su', and if it asks type the user password |
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| 07:17.31 | cesurasean | ok im in |
| 07:17.36 | cesurasean | now how do i chroot my system? |
| 07:17.39 | deeb_noob | Um, so is the Debian netinst meant for a VM.. not for standard hardware? Should I look at another distro? |
| 07:17.41 | cesurasean | mount, and then chroot? |
| 07:17.51 | kwork | deeb_noob, no it isnt |
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| 07:17.55 | blahdeblah | deeb_noob: No, i use netinst CD for all installs |
| 07:18.05 | cesurasean | how do i mount my disk? |
| 07:18.23 | cesurasean | i tried mount /dev/hda /mnt/hda doesn't work |
| 07:18.25 | Dewi | cesurasean: you can probably set a root password from there if you run into anything uncomfortable via sudo. |
| 07:18.40 | kwork | cesurasean, you need to specify partition, you cant mount whole drive |
| 07:18.45 | deeb_noob | dlahdeblah: ok, so what should I do to troubleshoot the netinst? It hangs trying to find the network hardware, every time. |
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| 07:19.14 | cesurasean | kwork, can you give me an example for mounting an IDE device? |
| 07:19.15 | kwork | deeb_noob, figure our what hardware you have |
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| 07:19.27 | kwork | cesurasean, mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda |
| 07:19.28 | Dewi | cesurasean: you don't mount devices, you mount the filesystems on them |
| 07:19.34 | Dewi | cesurasean: ls -l /dev/hda? |
| 07:19.55 | blahdeblah | deeb_noob: Do you know what type of chipset the wireless card uses? That's probably the issue. lspci might be of assistance. |
| 07:20.01 | Dewi | cesurasean: (that ? was part of the command) |
| 07:20.08 | deeb_noob | kwork: ok, done, I already pasted that above: ASUS P5KPL-AM Mobo, and a WLPCI54AG2 Wifi card |
| 07:20.51 | kwork | not familiar with that card, but generally its better to use wired connection for install, wifi + linux almost always wont work out of box |
| 07:20.52 | deeb_noob | how to run lspci if I can |
| 07:20.57 | deeb_noob | '...if I can't install? |
| 07:21.05 | kwork | deeb_noob, the installer has busybox |
| 07:21.19 | kwork | what is limited shell |
| 07:21.19 | blahdeblah | deeb_noob: Switch to VC2 (Ctrl-Alt-F2), press Enter |
| 07:21.19 | deeb_noob | I don't have a wired ethernet |
| 07:21.49 | blahdeblah | deeb_noob: That gives you a shell prompt. lspci should just work |
| 07:21.49 | kwork | deeb_noob, google the card + debian then maybe |
| 07:22.20 | blahdeblah | deeb_noob: Another option would be to try a Ubuntu live CD/USB and see if that recognises it. |
| 07:22.23 | kwork | deeb_noob, and see how people got the card working in the first place, but it could be troublesome @ installer |
| 07:22.47 | deeb_noob | it worked for Ubuntu |
| 07:23.02 | kwork | deeb_noob, if i would you i would install the box via normal cd, then configure wifi after install and then update |
| 07:23.15 | blahdeblah | cesurasean: Even though you might have an IDE device, it will probably show up as /dev/sd?? under recent kernels. |
| 07:23.50 | kwork | deeb_noob, or if it works with ubuntu out of box, i would go ubuntu |
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| 07:24.00 | blahdeblah | ditto for me |
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| 07:24.24 | deeb_noob | kwork: ok, maybe normal cd is the way to go... I saw there were over a dozen CDs on the web site and it just looked like a mess so I went with the netinst |
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| 07:24.40 | cesurasean | ok i mounted, how do i chroot? |
| 07:24.46 | kwork | deeb_noob, netinst is almost the smallest, so chances are "big" cd's will have your drivers |
| 07:24.49 | cesurasean | just chroot / ? |
| 07:24.49 | blahdeblah | chroot /mnt/mydisk |
| 07:24.55 | deeb_noob | Ubuntu is no go. The app I want to run doesn't work on Ubuntu. |
| 07:24.57 | kwork | chroot /mnt/mydisk /bin/bash |
| 07:25.14 | Dewi | cesurasean: why do you want to chroot? |
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| 07:25.31 | kwork | deeb_noob, works for debian and wont work for ubuntu, interesting |
| 07:25.37 | deeb_noob | kwork, okay, which "big" CD? |
| 07:25.41 | blahdeblah | kwork: Indeed - very strange |
| 07:25.46 | blahdeblah | deeb_noob: Just start with CD1 |
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| 07:26.25 | deeb_noob | ok.. "start with"... is CD1 enough? how many of them do I need? I saw over a dozen |
| 07:26.43 | blahdeblah | deeb_noob: Use CD1 to install; install the rest over the network. |
| 07:26.51 | blahdeblah | (If you need more...) |
| 07:27.11 | Dewi | blahdeblah: there wouldn't be more than one CD of kernel modules, surely |
| 07:27.18 | deeb_noob | ok, thanks.. I'll try that ... thanks again! |
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| 07:27.35 | blahdeblah | Dewi: One would hope! ;-) |
| 07:27.42 | cesurasean | I'm getting this error when I run mdadm --examine --scan >> /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, - "mdadm: cannot open /proc/partitions |
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| 07:28.02 | kwork | cesurasean, you dont have proc you need to mount it |
| 07:28.08 | cesurasean | how? |
| 07:28.14 | cesurasean | what else do i need to mount besides proc? |
| 07:29.05 | kwork | cesurasean, http://wiki.debian.org/chroot |
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| 07:29.56 | blahdeblah | cesurasean: The bind mounts on that wiki page make proc and sys appear correctly within your chroot volume - very important |
| 07:30.01 | blahdeblah | I often find that /dev is good to do as well |
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| 07:30.28 | cesurasean | can someone please give me an example, or show me the syntax of mounting dev, and proc? |
| 07:30.37 | cesurasean | sorry, but i need this explained to me. |
| 07:30.46 | kwork | cesurasean, did you look at the wiki page? |
| 07:30.53 | cesurasean | yes |
| 07:30.59 | cesurasean | i still don't understand |
| 07:31.05 | kwork | what exactly you dont understand? |
| 07:31.07 | blahdeblah | cesurasean: the mount commands before the chroot |
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| 07:37.01 | cesurasean | modprobe md says no such file or directory |
| 07:37.24 | cesurasean | how do i fix that? |
| 07:38.05 | kwork | i think its md_mod |
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| 07:39.49 | cesurasean | FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.18-486/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 07:40.28 | blahdeblah | cesurasean: That's one mighty old kernel |
| 07:40.33 | blahdeblah | Is this sarge or something? |
| 07:40.43 | cesurasean | no |
| 07:40.50 | cesurasean | squeeze |
| 07:40.59 | kwork | with 2.6.18 ? |
| 07:41.04 | kwork | i dont think so |
| 07:41.11 | cesurasean | im not sure why it says that |
| 07:41.14 | kwork | uname -a |
| 07:41.17 | cesurasean | probably from the live cd? |
| 07:41.36 | blahdeblah | cesurasean: You might need to modprobe before you chroot then |
| 07:41.44 | cesurasean | says 2.6.18 - probably the live cd |
| 07:41.46 | blahdeblah | And update your live CD to something newer |
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| 07:42.08 | cesurasean | ive already tried modprobing before i chrooted |
| 07:42.23 | cesurasean | still doesn't seem to run mdadm |
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| 07:43.45 | jelly-home | cesurasean: you will need to find a newer kernel. It's quite possible that one doesn't support udev and that it's just not new enough for squeeze userspace tools to work with it |
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| 07:47.42 | cesurasean | do i have to tell mdadm how big the partition is? or can i just edit the partition itself? |
| 07:48.37 | blahdeblah | cesurasean: Can you take a step back and tell us what you're trying to accomplish? It seems to me like you're going about this the hard way |
| 07:48.56 | cesurasean | I'm trying to shrink my mdadm array. |
| 07:49.08 | cesurasean | the replacement harddrive is .40 Gigs off. |
| 07:49.16 | jetole | Hey guys. I am installing debian testing on this desktop and I seem to be getting an error installing grub. The system is lvm on crypt on raid(0) and /boot is /dev/sda1. I switched to tty4 and I see the line "auto detection of a filesystem failed". Does anyone know what I should do? |
| 07:49.21 | cesurasean | so i need to shrink so that i can add the new drive into it |
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| 07:50.52 | blahdeblah | cesurasean: definitely get an up-to-date live CD for that. My suggestion is to create a new md device on your new HD, then copy all of the data on from the old one to the new one, then destroy the old md device and add the drive into the new md device. |
| 07:51.02 | blahdeblah | cesurasean: Of course, buying a different HD would be a LOT easier... ;-) |
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| 07:51.25 | cristi8 | Nautilus 2.30.1 (squeeze) is kind of buggy.. i have a stale "file transfer operation" that i cannot cancel.. (i was transfering from a ftp site).. someone knows a way to actually cancel it? |
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| 07:52.28 | cristi8 | i clicked the red button, and now it's stale and the button inactive. if i close the windows, next time i transfer something, this transfer is on the top with the same progress, and the window will not close |
| 07:52.49 | cesurasean | blahdeblah, do you know how to resize the raid array? |
| 07:53.06 | blahdeblah | cesurasean: yeah, but i've never shrunk one - only grown |
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| 07:53.40 | cesurasean | so how do i do it? |
| 07:53.46 | cesurasean | modprobe, then chroot? |
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| 07:54.29 | cesurasean | I'm going to bed. |
| 07:54.31 | cesurasean | night. |
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| 07:59.03 | patatoman | hi im running debian 5.07 when trying to get postfix-doc with apt-get but it returnes "couldn't find package postfix-doc" |
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| 08:00.31 | patatoman | how do i get this to update? |
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| 08:03.58 | patatoman | hallo any one here that can help with 'apt-get' |
| 08:05.06 | vlt | !anyone | patatoman |
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| 08:06.15 | patatoman | thanks for your input |
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| 08:41.25 | jelly | !de |
| 08:41.25 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 08:59.04 | krion | hi |
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| 09:08.43 | vampi-the-frog | hi guys i replaced stable with squeeze in /etc/apt/sources.lst, then did apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get autoremove but the autoremove wants to remove 289 packages and free 568MB of space but those packages look essential. what to do in this case? |
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| 09:19.49 | aziza | hola everyone, does someone here uses tmux ? |
| 09:20.23 | menace | aziza: there's an channel for tmux :-) |
| 09:20.26 | menace | #tmux :) |
| 09:20.59 | aziza | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:21.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | aziza: apt-cache policy tmux |
| 09:22.36 | menace | dpkg -l | grep -i tmux works too, but apt-cache policy is nicer :D |
| 09:22.36 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep -i tmux works too, but apt-cache policy is nicer :D |
| 09:22.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | giggles |
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| 09:23.17 | aziza | Kamping_Kaiser, the problem is - I am using a compiled version on some server |
| 09:23.32 | aziza | i have no clue where the source code ... and it is not a debian machine |
| 09:23.51 | aziza | i just come to the debian channel because I feel at home here :-) |
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| 09:25.26 | menace | then ask in #tmux how it outputs its version |
| 09:25.48 | aziza | i am also there ... |
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| 10:00.46 | cast | evening :) |
| 10:01.01 | mariusv | morning |
| 10:01.01 | mariusv | :) |
| 10:01.26 | Hoxzer | Afternoon |
| 10:02.13 | babilen | moin |
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| 10:05.13 | va2thc | my buddy has a 1.6ghz 1gb ram pc, any opinions over running lenny or squeeze? (planning on making him run KDE) |
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| 10:06.09 | cast | i find KDE/GNOME too slow, personally |
| 10:06.18 | cast | presumably the 1.6GHz is a Atom? |
| 10:06.22 | va2thc | enlightenment? |
| 10:06.27 | va2thc | no and old tower |
| 10:06.28 | cast | yeah, e16 :) |
| 10:06.34 | cast | what CPU? |
| 10:06.37 | va2thc | i didnt like E |
| 10:06.43 | va2thc | intel P4 |
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| 10:07.08 | cast | ahh. so a slow 1.6GHz too :( |
| 10:07.27 | va2thc | i think its 1.6... dont remember... its a bit slow and wonder if ppl notice a big difrence between the kde version of lenny and squeezy :) |
| 10:07.34 | va2thc | my quad doesnt feel much :) |
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| 10:08.49 | va2thc | i could dual boot both and erase/resize the LVM's keeping only the "chosen one's" LVM's... |
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| 10:13.53 | cast | you could |
| 10:14.12 | cast | i'd be using squeeze though |
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| 10:16.04 | fi9o | 11:05 | va2thc | my buddy has a 1.6ghz 1gb ram pc, any opinions over running lenny or squeeze? (planning on making him run KDE) |
| 10:16.14 | fi9o | va2thc: Try kde with openbox or gnome with openbox |
| 10:16.40 | va2thc | openbox? |
| 10:16.44 | va2thc | googles |
| 10:16.46 | babilen | va2thc: I would use squeeze with a lighter environmen (lxde, xfce) or one of the lighter window managers (fluxbox, e17, awesome, xmonad, wmii, ... (last three tiled)) |
| 10:16.49 | cast | is metacity that slow? |
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| 10:17.10 | babilen | or such a memory hog? |
| 10:17.11 | va2thc | oh a WM |
| 10:17.23 | babilen | well, gnome+xmonad would work as well then |
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| 10:17.59 | cast | has a feeling it's the gnome environment and not the WM that consumes the resources |
| 10:18.20 | va2thc | i dont find that xorg/kde use up that much |
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| 10:18.43 | va2thc | just that kde4 is a bit ressource heavy for and old PC... |
| 10:18.50 | babilen | va2thc: If you want to use KDE and it is running fine, then do it. :) |
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| 10:18.55 | va2thc | might get him to try an other WM... |
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| 10:19.04 | colo-work | is there a bittorrent tracker daemon in Debian? |
| 10:19.09 | va2thc | I've just been sold out to kde forever.... |
| 10:19.13 | va2thc | hehe |
| 10:19.21 | babilen | va2thc: poor sod :) |
| 10:19.22 | cast | thing i just learned about gnu screen: C-a | |
| 10:19.46 | cast | all this time i thought i could only split along the Y axis with C-a S |
| 10:20.33 | va2thc | mmmm soo many choices hehe |
| 10:20.59 | va2thc | well thanks for your opinions guys... i'll look/try a few things see what happens... |
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| 10:23.15 | va2thc | fi9o, might give your kde/openbox a shot... |
| 10:23.43 | fi9o | va2thc: I don't have... I prefer 'clean' openbox |
| 10:23.51 | jkprg | Hi. Anybody familiar with LARTC? What discipline would you recommend for IPTV multicast traffic (VBR MPEG). Unfortunately it's VBR not CBR. I want to eliminate peaks I have sometimes due to bug in streamer ao some throttling discipline would probably help. Thx |
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| 10:24.16 | va2thc | fi9o, 1st time linux user setup here :P give him a break... |
| 10:24.31 | va2thc | a console setup would be clean for him lol |
| 10:24.34 | fi9o | va2thc: http://i.imgur.com/UbRve.png |
| 10:24.42 | va2thc | would run smooth on that PCosorus |
| 10:24.54 | va2thc | nice |
| 10:25.02 | fi9o | You can use obconf/obmenu to edit openbox without console |
| 10:25.14 | fi9o | sorry for my mitakes ;p my native is polish |
| 10:25.49 | va2thc | bah dont worry... after 12+ yrs on IRC i dont notice typos :P |
| 10:26.02 | fi9o | :] |
| 10:26.22 | fi9o | So, i think you can try with 'clean' openbox ;) |
| 10:26.39 | cast | i use e16 to manage my urxvt windows :) |
| 10:26.52 | va2thc | just might install all of them and let him choose in the login screen :P |
| 10:26.52 | fi9o | Openbox + feh(i'ma using feh to set a wallpaper) + tint2(bottom panel) |
| 10:27.00 | fi9o | ;] |
| 10:27.05 | va2thc | "when u get the feel for one of them tell me and i'll erase the rest" |
| 10:27.07 | va2thc | hehehe |
| 10:27.10 | va2thc | let him choose |
| 10:27.21 | va2thc | that sounds like a plan |
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| 10:27.50 | cast | is there anything like conky only a bit nicer? |
| 10:28.04 | va2thc | now only if this thing was 64bit i wouldnt have to download an other installer |
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| 10:37.25 | Adriaan | hi, i'm hotplugging a scsi drive to my system but it doesn't show up in /dev/, i'm sure though that the disk is working though |
| 10:37.38 | Adriaan | any ideas? |
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| 10:38.04 | brahman | adriaan: echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host#/scan |
| 10:38.26 | brahman | change # with the relevant value... |
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| 10:39.46 | cast | is there any harm at guessing the # value? |
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| 10:39.54 | Adriaan | brahman, wow :) thanks, not sure which host it is though |
| 10:40.06 | Adriaan | brahman, can I just add it to all hosts? |
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| 10:40.27 | brahman | Adriaan: yes this is fine it's just going to rescan... |
| 10:41.32 | cast | does one have to rescan on removal of devices too? |
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| 10:42.11 | Adriaan | brahman, genius, it works :) thanks! |
| 10:42.29 | brahman | Adriaan: np :-) |
| 10:42.52 | babilen | I have the feeling that running this command (manually) should not really be necessary… |
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| 10:43.20 | cast | i have noticed on my newest SATA controller, with a squeeze kernel, there was no need to initiate a rescan |
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| 11:02.42 | terron | Is it possible to wget a series of files such as www.example.com/[01-10].jpg? Doing it in that form returns a "Warning: wildcards not supported in HTTP." error followed by a 404 not found |
| 11:03.09 | cast | use curl :) |
| 11:03.16 | cast | it'll handly syntax like that |
| 11:03.27 | cast | alternatively you could jam your wget line in a for loop |
| 11:04.06 | terron | ah, thanks. i never use curl so I forgot it existed for a minute :p |
| 11:04.08 | cast | for i in {01..10}; do wget example.com/${i}.jpg; done, but curl is nicer :) |
| 11:04.42 | cast | especially when it's [01-10]/[1-100].jpg etc... |
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| 11:07.14 | Guest62809 | can anyone see why this command doesn't work?? http://paste.debian.net/104604/ |
| 11:07.30 | vampi-the-frog | terron: you can also use wget www.example.com/{01..10}.jpg and bash will expand those for you |
| 11:09.13 | Guest62809 | it should exclude files over 100MB with duplicity |
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| 11:18.57 | cast | vampi-the-frog: thats a good idea |
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| 11:21.00 | chrisign | I want to find a certain expression in everey *.cpp file. I tried grep "NS_OUTPARAM" *cpp but got just: *cpp not found |
| 11:22.01 | cast | that doesn't sound right |
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| 11:22.28 | colo-work | find . -iname "*cpp" -exec fgrep NS_OUTPARAM {} |
| 11:22.33 | colo-work | + |
| 11:22.46 | colo-work | (the + is supposed to be at the end of that line) |
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| 11:23.02 | cast | well, grep will handly multiple files just fine |
| 11:23.34 | cast | chrisign: do a "ls" and a the 'grep "NS_OUTPARAM" *cpp' and pastebin it |
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| 11:23.40 | avanof | hi there |
| 11:23.48 | colo-work | yeah, but if those files aren't all in the same dir, grep has a hard time finding them ;) |
| 11:23.50 | avanof | can I create a symbolic link from a Makefile? |
| 11:24.02 | colo-work | avanof, sure, just have it call ln? |
| 11:24.07 | babilen | colo-work: You can use "grep -r" to recursively grep files |
| 11:24.21 | colo-work | babilen, I know, but that does not work with wildcards |
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| 11:24.25 | avanof | so simply I have to write ln stuff in the makefile? |
| 11:24.37 | colo-work | (well, it does, but not in the way the asking party needs it to) |
| 11:24.38 | avanof | for example, at the end |
| 11:24.46 | babilen | colo-work: yes |
| 11:25.02 | cast | colo-work: well, actually, you can, with --include it seems |
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| 11:26.18 | cast | grep -r --include=\*.cpp NS_OUTPARAM . # kinda thing :) |
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| 11:26.55 | colo-work | seems incredibly non-portable though ;) |
| 11:27.05 | cast | why is that? |
| 11:27.06 | avanof | ? |
| 11:27.19 | cast | debian is a GNU system |
| 11:27.20 | colo-work | because --include is GNU grep-only option |
| 11:27.28 | cast | all ports use GNU utilities |
| 11:27.32 | colo-work | yeah, and I'm happy about that |
| 11:27.54 | cast | if you want to talk about portability....find isn't available everywhere either ;P |
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| 11:29.06 | chrisign | "find . -iname "*cpp" -exec fgrep NS_OUTPARAM {} +" did what I want, whats the meaning of the '+'? |
| 11:29.10 | chrisign | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.40 | colo-work | chrisign, it basically does about the same thing as piping thru xargs does, though in a safer and POSIX-compliant way |
| 11:30.59 | colo-work | you won't fork/exec for each result find reports that way |
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| 11:32.06 | Benkinooby | hi, a friend of mine has to admin. a network. the inet-connection is made via satellite through a debian gateway. the speed is constantly between 500 and 1000 kbps but the connection is really slow though. any tools you can suggest for monitoring the network? atm ntop is running, but it causes some troubles. |
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| 11:32.27 | avanof | anyone? |
| 11:32.38 | cast | Benkinooby: xymon |
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| 11:33.07 | deed02392 | Hi guys, I want to backup my Debian installation using something like Syamentec Ghost. I have no issue with using Ghost, however I need the ability to create the image and save it over a network live, because the host machine does not have enough storage |
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| 11:33.18 | colo-work | Benkinooby, satellite uplinks are supposed to suffer from relatively high latency. that's because the speed of light just isn't any faster than what it his :) |
| 11:33.21 | deed02392 | is this possible with any existing tools or combinations of tools? |
| 11:33.41 | colo-work | deed02392, check out partimage and fsarchiver, as well as clonezilla and sysresccd |
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| 11:34.04 | colo-work | mondorescue might also be of interest for you, deed02392 |
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| 11:34.14 | cast | deed02392: unless you used LVM, or a mirrored mdadm setup, doing it live is unlikely |
| 11:34.22 | deed02392 | all four colo-work? Do you have a preference? I have no backup running yet and a recent failure has me in a rush to get one up for this other server of mine |
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| 11:34.56 | deed02392 | cast, I was wondering if I could moutn a remote share and issue it to be saved onto that? wouldn't that be saving the file over the network? |
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| 11:35.20 | colo-work | deed02392, sysresccd integrates fsarchiver and partimage on a live bootable medium |
| 11:35.40 | colo-work | you can write to CIFS or NFS shares that way, for example |
| 11:35.43 | cast | the issue is you need a consistant snapshot of your system before you can think about doing anything with it, doing that online is difficult |
| 11:35.59 | colo-work | cast, I don't think that's what he wants to do, anyway |
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| 11:36.07 | deed02392 | I apologise I should have mentioned this is on a dedicated server I am renting from OVH, I don't have physical access to the machine |
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| 11:36.15 | colo-work | (because Ghost never worked that way, either) |
| 11:36.20 | cast | colo-work: it is what he said though :( |
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| 11:36.39 | colo-work | deed02392, does it feature a "recivery console"? |
| 11:36.52 | colo-work | (some live distro it boots via PXE or sth.) |
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| 11:37.08 | Benkinooby | cast, colo-work thank you |
| 11:37.13 | brubelsabs | Hi, do you know if there is a memory profiler with e.g. treemaps in the repos? |
| 11:38.03 | cast | no idea what treemaps is, but valgrind does a few things... |
| 11:38.29 | deed02392 | no it doesn't appear to looking at what is available in the control panel colo-work |
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| 11:39.08 | brubelsabs | cast: yes valgrind I am also a bit familiar with. What I meant with treemaps is somehow a graphical representation of the memory... |
| 11:39.12 | cast | ahh, treemaps is certainly not what valgrind does :) |
| 11:39.18 | poisonbit | brubelsabs, http://kcachegrind.sourceforge.net/html/Screenshots.html |
| 11:39.23 | brubelsabs | cast: unfortunately yes |
| 11:39.25 | poisonbit | ? |
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| 11:40.07 | cast | interesting |
| 11:40.08 | brubelsabs | poisonbit: yes I also know cachegrind, but this is only for callgraphs as I know.. |
| 11:40.16 | poisonbit | aps |
| 11:40.21 | brubelsabs | aps? |
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| 11:42.16 | deed02392 | I have had a look at all your suggestions, I think live-backup with fsarchiver is the best route for me to take |
| 11:42.32 | deed02392 | I don't want to take the server down, it's been up for 2 years now |
| 11:42.41 | cast | can you say local root |
| 11:42.47 | cast | [exploit] |
| 11:42.57 | deed02392 | cast? |
| 11:43.27 | cast | there have been a few kernel security patches in the last 2 years, unless you're using ksplice |
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| 11:43.39 | a931bw | guys |
| 11:43.51 | deed02392 | I have no idea cast, I'm only a kid, I bought this server when I was 16 |
| 11:43.59 | a931bw | how do i do that $ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:dockbar-main/ppa |
| 11:44.03 | a931bw | in debian squeeze |
| 11:44.14 | patatoman | how do i install a packege that i downloaded? getmail4.deb |
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| 11:44.28 | a931bw | dpkg -i dir/to/pckg |
| 11:44.28 | dpkg | installs dir/to/pckg into a931bw's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 11:44.33 | deed02392 | you suggest I take it down to update the kernel ? |
| 11:44.38 | tzafrir | patatoman, while you could, you generally shouldn't |
| 11:44.45 | cast | a931bw: what is this add-apt-repository command, and what is ppa:? |
| 11:44.55 | a931bw | its adding repository in ubuntu |
| 11:44.56 | a931bw | i believe |
| 11:45.04 | a931bw | http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/DockbarX?content=101604 |
| 11:45.05 | a931bw | its here |
| 11:45.42 | deed02392 | no, definitely not using ksplice |
| 11:45.43 | patatoman | @tzafrir ok whell i tried the apt-get but got errors so i downloaded it manualy now i would like to install, why do you think i should not |
| 11:45.56 | cast | a931bw: i guess the answer is, you don't |
| 11:46.02 | tzafrir | patatoman, what errors? |
| 11:46.14 | a931bw | oh ok |
| 11:46.21 | a931bw | ill install manually |
| 11:46.23 | a931bw | thanks |
| 11:46.29 | cast | :) |
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| 11:46.52 | patatoman | hi im running debian 5.07 im trying to get postfix-doc with apt-get but it returnes "couldn't find package postfix-doc" and the same for apt-get getmail4.doc |
| 11:47.12 | cast | deed02392: depends how much you care about securit |
| 11:47.19 | patatoman | *getmail4 |
| 11:47.35 | deed02392 | hmm, depends how much of a risk there is |
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| 11:48.34 | brubelsabs | poisonbit, cast: thanks for your time, bye |
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| 11:51.09 | HerrBlume | hello, i have an old debian etch system, and I need the base64 program |
| 11:51.16 | HerrBlume | But I can't find it |
| 11:51.30 | HerrBlume | what should i do? |
| 11:51.31 | patatoman | tzafrir what do you think |
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| 11:51.49 | amphi | HerrBlume: apt-file is your friend |
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| 11:52.35 | tzafrir | HerrBlume, it's part of coreutils here. I wonder how come it's not installed |
| 11:52.37 | HerrBlume | amphi: thanks, in coreutils |
| 11:53.18 | amphi | HerrBlume: it is on testing; I wasn't sure if the package was called that on etch |
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| 11:53.41 | avanof | in my mikefile I have this variable: variable = $(shell echo $(VERSION)) |
| 11:53.51 | avanof | how can I call it? |
| 11:53.52 | avanof | if I write: $variable I get Makefile:264: *** missing separator. Stop |
| 11:54.40 | a931bw | how do i install dockbarx |
| 11:54.41 | a931bw | ? |
| 11:54.52 | vampi-the-frog | avanof don't put spaces before and after = |
| 11:55.00 | vampi-the-frog | var=$(shell echo ($VERSION)) |
| 11:55.23 | avanof | vampi-the-frog, uhm |
| 11:55.24 | HerrBlume | amphi: the core package is installed |
| 11:55.40 | HerrBlume | and apt-file doesn't work |
| 11:55.58 | amphi | !doesn't work |
| 11:55.58 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 11:56.02 | avanof | vampi-the-frog, ok but how can I call it? |
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| 11:56.19 | amphi | HerrBlume: you mean coreutils ? |
| 11:56.27 | vampi-the-frog | avanof: call what? echo? |
| 11:56.34 | HerrBlume | yes |
| 11:56.48 | amphi | HerrBlume: it should be /usr/bin/base64 |
| 11:56.54 | HerrBlume | yes |
| 11:57.04 | HerrBlume | amphi: but it isn't |
| 11:57.05 | vampi-the-frog | avanof: use $(version) to get its value |
| 11:57.14 | vampi-the-frog | $(variable) i mean |
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| 11:57.27 | HerrBlume | amphi: nevermind, i will compile it myself |
| 11:57.33 | HerrBlume | thanks for the help |
| 11:57.36 | amphi | HerrBlume: so reinstall the package? |
| 11:57.47 | avanof | vampi-the-frog, uhm I have: var=$(shell ln -s mypath myfile) |
| 11:57.54 | amphi | HerrBlume: what does 'apt-file search /usr/bin/base64' say? |
| 11:58.03 | avanof | vampi-the-frog, I need to call this command at the end of the makefile |
| 11:58.19 | vampi-the-frog | avanof: i suspect you misunderstand how makefiles work |
| 11:58.20 | xshad | g. morning all. Is there any known issue with any of firmware-iwlwifi (0.27), wireless-tools (30~pre9-5) or wpasupplicant (0.6.10-2.1) on squeze (kernel 2.6.32-5-686) too often I get randomly disconnected |
| 11:58.37 | vampi-the-frog | avanof: try looking at some existing makefiles and see how they work |
| 11:58.42 | avanof | vampi-the-frog, I think.. is not possible to do something like this? |
| 11:58.49 | vampi-the-frog | avanof: shell commands are written plain |
| 11:58.53 | avanof | vampi-the-frog, I know the normal things that they can do |
| 11:58.58 | vampi-the-frog | it's very possible, but you need to learn how |
| 11:59.11 | vampi-the-frog | avanof: you can pastebin the Makefile so we can see |
| 11:59.13 | babilen | HerrBlume: Just to make sure we understand you correctly: 1. You run etch (you might want to upgrade to lenny) 2. You have coreutils installed (dpkg -l coreutils) and 3. /usr/bin/base64 is not available? |
| 11:59.20 | avanof | yes ok course |
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| 11:59.54 | patatoman | how do i use .deb files? getmail4.deb |
| 12:00.04 | amphi | xshad: I don't think so; I have used all that without problems here (4965) |
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| 12:01.10 | babilen | patatoman: What are you trying to achieve? |
| 12:01.21 | avanof | vampi-the-frog, http://pastebin.com/m3HeXBFw |
| 12:01.28 | avanof | vampi-the-frog, is the makefile of the kinect |
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| 12:02.08 | vampi-the-frog | xbox? |
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| 12:02.22 | avanof | vampi-the-frog, yes I'm compiling it for linux |
| 12:02.40 | vampi-the-frog | you should look up the cmake documentation because that's a generated makefile |
| 12:02.47 | vampi-the-frog | so you need to edit the cmake config file instead |
| 12:02.50 | avanof | vampi-the-frog, I know I know |
| 12:02.52 | vampi-the-frog | CMakeLists.txt or something similar |
| 12:03.20 | avanof | vampi-the-frog, I m trying to port it to mobile phones... so it's different |
| 12:03.32 | vampi-the-frog | it shouldn't be |
| 12:03.35 | avanof | vampi-the-frog, I need only to call that ln |
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| 12:03.45 | vampi-the-frog | why do you call that ln? |
| 12:04.08 | avanof | the make it works |
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| 12:04.18 | vampi-the-frog | why don't you just call make && ln -s foo bar |
| 12:04.22 | vampi-the-frog | i mean in the shell |
| 12:04.31 | vampi-the-frog | or make a script that does that :P |
| 12:04.31 | avanof | it says that generates that link but it doesn't |
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| 12:04.47 | vampi-the-frog | sorry i don't know how to help |
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| 12:04.50 | avanof | vampi-the-frog, because when I do make install, it recompiles again |
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| 12:04.58 | patatoman | im trying to install the ispconfig on debian and according to the how2forge i need the to run "apt-get getmail4" but i get "couldn't find package getmail4" error so now i downloaded the .deb file? |
| 12:05.06 | avanof | and it erases the file again :( |
| 12:05.14 | avanof | so I need something at the end of the Makefile |
| 12:05.18 | xshad | amphi: weird :( maybe my 3945 shit isnt good. ty for the feedback |
| 12:05.20 | vampi-the-frog | avanof: see the cmake documentation and maybe gnu make documentation as well |
| 12:05.28 | vampi-the-frog | avanof: alternatively you could do that at the end of the first target |
| 12:05.35 | vampi-the-frog | just add the command with a tab behind it |
| 12:05.58 | avanof | vampi-the-frog, uhm just adding the ln -s stuff? it seems simple.. I'm going to try it |
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| 12:06.19 | vampi-the-frog | http://pastebin.com/imqPXXSD |
| 12:06.26 | vampi-the-frog | avanof ^ |
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| 12:06.52 | amphi | xshad: dunno, people seem to use 3945 ok |
| 12:06.53 | avanof | vampi-the-frog, I need it at the end of the script |
| 12:07.17 | abrotman | xshad: are oyu using network-manager? |
| 12:07.19 | vampi-the-frog | avanof: it will be executed at the end of the commands. makefiles aren't linear |
| 12:07.24 | minver | Should I run Debian 32 or 64 bits? |
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| 12:07.51 | avanof | vampi-the-frog, ah ok cool.. I'm going to try it |
| 12:07.55 | abrotman | minver: that's up to you .. there are advantages to both .. if it's a generic desktop, i386 is probably less hassle |
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| 12:09.01 | xshad | abrotman: I was |
| 12:09.10 | minver | abrotman: hmm, okay, what kind of hassle? |
| 12:09.15 | xshad | but Im not anymore |
| 12:09.59 | a931bw | damn |
| 12:10.03 | a931bw | i want awn |
| 12:10.04 | avanof | vampi-the-frog, it doesn't give me errors but it doesn't create the link too |
| 12:10.04 | a931bw | on my |
| 12:10.07 | avanof | *neither |
| 12:10.08 | a931bw | xfce |
| 12:10.18 | a931bw | but i have to install whole gnome |
| 12:10.22 | a931bw | for it |
| 12:10.36 | xshad | haha, it happens |
| 12:10.50 | xshad | you better compile it imo |
| 12:10.57 | a931bw | why? |
| 12:11.15 | xshad | you wont need all those packages |
| 12:11.22 | a931bw | anyway |
| 12:11.29 | a931bw | how do i disable |
| 12:11.31 | a931bw | xfce panel? |
| 12:11.40 | avanof | vampi-the-frog, I put full path and now it worked! thank you very much! |
| 12:12.01 | xshad | Dunno, I'm not a xfce user, sorry |
| 12:12.03 | a931bw | found |
| 12:14.04 | vampi-the-frog | avanof: great |
| 12:14.40 | avanof | vampi-the-frog, thank you again! |
| 12:14.58 | vampi-the-frog | np |
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| 12:16.29 | abrotman | minver: 32bit only apps |
| 12:16.43 | abrotman | xshad: i ask because my 5100 randomly disconnects .. I blame network-manager |
| 12:17.19 | xshad | abrotman: |
| 12:17.42 | minver | abrotman: okay, I'm only going to use common web apps, nginx, mysql, passenger. I'm not sure if they only run in 32bit. Maybe I should check that before I choose |
| 12:17.43 | xshad | I think it's something with the iwlwifi version, using 0.29 everything works fine |
| 12:17.49 | amphi | using wicd, I see no such problems |
| 12:18.50 | abrotman | minver: NFC what passenger is, but the rest should be fine |
| 12:19.25 | abrotman | xshad: just something i've noticed .. and it doesn't actually disconnect, it's just n-m whines .. so pidgin freaks out .. check dmesg for timeout messages |
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| 12:20.00 | adamkex | where are the debian sid cds located? |
| 12:20.12 | abrotman | adamkex: you get a netinst, install then upgrade |
| 12:20.26 | xshad | abrotman: I get disconnected. syslog says kernel: [ 5566.188722] wlan0: deauthenticated from 00:26:5a:5f:81:b0 (Reason: 3) |
| 12:20.41 | adamkex | abrotman: okay, changing the repo file from lenny to sid? |
| 12:20.42 | abrotman | yeah, i've seen stuff like that .. i really do blame network-manager, but i couldn't prove it :) |
| 12:20.56 | abrotman | adamkex: however you think is best .. you're the one running sid after all .. you should know how |
| 12:21.12 | xshad | all other machines still working, problems only with this laptop with squeze |
| 12:21.13 | amphi | xshad: and such things do not occur using 0.29 fw? |
| 12:21.19 | adamkex | abrotman: i have never run debian, i am coming from gentoo |
| 12:21.30 | abrotman | adamkex: then you probably don't want to jump to sid |
| 12:21.34 | xshad | nop |
| 12:21.41 | adamkex | right |
| 12:21.48 | abrotman | adamkex: start with squeeze, it's about to be released, get comfortable with Debian ... then decide |
| 12:21.52 | xshad | I had lenny before, everyone works pretty good |
| 12:22.01 | abrotman | (about ~= hopefully less than two months) |
| 12:22.01 | xshad | everything** |
| 12:22.04 | adamkex | abrotman: okay |
| 12:22.08 | adamkex | abrotman: thank you |
| 12:22.12 | abrotman | !tell adamkex about squeeze rc1 |
| 12:22.19 | abrotman | grr |
| 12:22.27 | amphi | xshad: and the module loads the 0.29 version of the fw? ;) |
| 12:22.31 | abrotman | adamkex: debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ... get a netinst |
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| 12:22.41 | adamkex | abrotman: thank you |
| 12:22.43 | abrotman | adamkex: probably the squeeze RC1 netinst |
| 12:22.58 | adamkex | okay |
| 12:23.05 | abrotman | adamkex: be aware that if you need firmware for your network, there is none on those CDs |
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| 12:24.41 | adamkex | abrotman: i don't think i've ever needed that, but thank you for tellimg me in advance |
| 12:24.59 | abrotman | adamkex: if you need it, we can point you in the direction of some unofficial methods |
| 12:25.06 | xshad | amphi: my bad, fw 0.14 and wt 0.29 works good(lenny), fw 0.27+wireless-tools 0.30-pre9 (squeeze) disconnects. I'm getting confused now. .. haha |
| 12:25.14 | adamkex | abrotman: okay, thank you |
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| 12:25.49 | amphi | xshad: heh |
| 12:26.25 | abrotman | xshad: yeah, unforunately, it didn't happen often enough for me to truly care .. and once wheezy moves into place, i'll move that machine to that |
| 12:26.56 | xshad | I'm gotta reinstall these packages using lenny's version and check it out |
| 12:27.06 | xshad | brb. ty guys for the feedback :) |
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| 12:43.09 | gizmore | is there a known problem with outlook express und sending/relaying mails via postfix? |
| 12:43.33 | gizmore | with thunderbird all works charmy, but with outlook express i get "relay denied" errors |
| 12:43.40 | petemc | unlikely |
| 12:43.57 | abrotman | using just regular smtp ? |
| 12:44.07 | gizmore | using sasl auth here |
| 12:44.24 | abrotman | that may cause an issue .. google turned up nothing? |
| 12:44.29 | abrotman | do you really want to use OE ? |
| 12:44.45 | DotHack | Anyone knows how to mirror debian-installer? I have a local network not connected to the internet with a apt-mirror archive but i seem to be missing the debian-installer packeges to be able to install debian on a xen host |
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| 12:45.17 | gizmore | abrotman: the client wants to use OE, yes -.- |
| 12:45.26 | abrotman | *shudder* |
| 12:46.07 | minver | I wanna install nginx the exact same way as the apt-get command does. How can I see the source of the package-install-script? |
| 12:46.20 | gryllida | how do I do a major version upgrade? |
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| 12:48.14 | sep | gryllida, start by reading the release notes. they describe the process and any pitfalls |
| 12:48.58 | abrotman | gryllida: from what to what? |
| 12:49.27 | sep | minver, apt-get source $sourcepackagesname should download them for you |
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| 12:50.35 | gryllida | abrotman: I don't know that in terms of release numbers but kernel number is 2.6.18-194.26.1.el5.028stab079.1PAE I suppose, and it sounds like out of date to me |
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| 12:51.08 | gizmore | abrotman: could the relay denied be because of weird HELO=<laptop> ? |
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| 12:51.31 | kwpsbrasil | hey |
| 12:51.32 | kwpsbrasil | Games for cell, for linux and other things acesss my site blog.brunopage.com.br |
| 12:51.32 | renatov | hello everybody! good morning |
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| 12:54.10 | gryllida | sep: release notes where? |
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| 12:54.56 | sep | gryllida, well that depends on what you are upgrading to... |
| 12:55.03 | minver | sep: thanks, but where is the 'install script' I wanna know what configuration they use :o Should I look for a specific file? |
| 12:55.03 | babilen | gryllida: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes (probably - not sure what sep was referring to) |
| 12:55.05 | sep | !lenny release notes |
| 12:55.05 | dpkg | Release Notes for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 (Lenny) are at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny . Also ask me about <i-g>, <installer firmware>, <etch->lenny key>, <errata>, <squeeze release notes>. |
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| 12:56.07 | renatov | hey guys, could someone help me with a banshee/dbus issue, pls? |
| 12:56.40 | babilen | renatov: probably, but we need a little more information than that |
| 12:56.46 | sep | minver, debian packages are not just "install scripts that unpack a tar.gz" but look in the debian directory in the source i told you how to get earlier |
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| 12:57.29 | abrotman | gizmore: you may want to inquire in #postfix |
| 12:57.39 | abrotman | gryllida: that is a VPS kernel AIUI |
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| 12:58.29 | armetiz | Hi there, I want to backup many service on many server to a main backup server.. |
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| 12:58.48 | minver | sep: I did as you told me, I have the source of the nginx package |
| 12:58.53 | armetiz | I'm asking myself about savelog, logrotate.. Custom bash script... |
| 12:59.05 | armetiz | savelog seems to b e an old binary... |
| 12:59.09 | armetiz | o you have any clue ? |
| 12:59.09 | renatov | babilen: thanx! sure, I'll give all the information now =] |
| 12:59.20 | gizmore | abrotman: thanks a lot! |
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| 12:59.42 | renatov | babilen: when I try to run a command like "banshee --stop", instead of stopping the music, another banshee window is started |
| 12:59.55 | babilen | renatov: Please note that there is a #banshee on irc.gnome.org -- The people in there might know much more about banshee than we do :) |
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| 13:00.17 | renatov | babilen: yeah, they have already helped me, that was the first place I looked for help |
| 13:00.36 | renatov | babilen: they said me it's a dbus issue and it's only related to my distro |
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| 13:01.01 | renatov | babilen: it's related to a DBUS variable that is not set in debian |
| 13:01.10 | babilen | renatov: Ah, great. I just wanted to mention that, because I know nothing about Banshee. You might want to elaborate on your findings so far. |
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| 13:02.03 | renatov | babilen: banshee is only a mp3 player like audacious... the command "audacious --stop" stops the playback, but "banshee --stop" opens a new window |
| 13:02.08 | babilen | armetiz: Clue about what exactly? I don't quite understand your question. |
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| 13:02.17 | renatov | babilen: they said that it's because $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS variable is not set |
| 13:02.32 | renatov | babilen: if I run "$ echo $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS" it returns me an empty line |
| 13:02.35 | babilen | renatov: Yes, I know what banshee is -- I have just never touched its source code or even used it. |
| 13:03.15 | babilen | renatov: And Banshee needs that variable to be set? Which version of Debian/Banshee are you running? Has this bug been reported? |
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| 13:05.04 | renatov | I'm running banshee 1.6.1 under Debian Squeeze |
| 13:05.42 | renatov | babilen: It was not repported because it was not a banshee bug. Aparently, banshee uses dbus to verify if it is already running |
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| 13:06.13 | renatov | babilen: the problem is that in Debian Squeeze, the dbus variable that banshee checks to see if it's already running, is not set |
| 13:06.32 | babilen | renatov: Ok, I am just testing this and on my system "echo $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS" returns "unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-NRsHvkTmIb,guid=03c1999ba0dc39a94823523c0000005d" |
| 13:06.47 | renatov | babilen: the command "echo $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS" should return me the location to the bus address, that would s say which programs are opened |
| 13:06.50 | babilen | renatov: This is Squeeze as well. Do you have DBus installed? |
| 13:06.52 | miasma | hm, does anyone know why NFS over home WLAN might fail with i/o errors. seems to occur randomly. some node in the network chokes? |
| 13:07.20 | renatov | babilen: yes, that's it! banshee would work just fine in your system... the problem is that this command returns me an empty line |
| 13:07.41 | renatov | babilen: so, this variable is not set in my debian and banshee can't work |
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| 13:08.36 | brobostigon | good afternoon all. |
| 13:09.36 | babilen | renatov: Ok, so we have to figure out how this variable is set and why it is not set on your system. Do you have dbus installed (dpkg -l dbus) and is "dbus-daemon" running? (ps aux|grep dbus-daemon) if not start it (service dbus start) and check if the ENV VAR is set |
| 13:09.44 | brobostigon | i am getting "mutter: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-3.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" when trying to start gnome-shell, and it is baffling me abit. any ideas onhow i can proceed to fix it, plese. |
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| 13:10.47 | renatov | babilen: yes, I have it installed and the daemon is running |
| 13:11.30 | renatov | babilen: the command "echo $ENV_VAR" returns an empty line |
| 13:12.24 | brobostigon | and i am using the gnome-shell packges from experimental. |
| 13:12.48 | babilen | renatov: I was just referring to "environment variable" with "ENV VAR" |
| 13:13.09 | renatov | babilen: sorry, Im kind of new to this |
| 13:13.16 | renatov | babilen: how can I check this? |
| 13:14.30 | JyZyXEL | how is the barrier support in 6.0? |
| 13:14.53 | JyZyXEL | is it supported for md and dm? |
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| 13:15.39 | babilen | renatov: I am not quite sure (right now) how the env var is set .. I just hoped that there was something wrong with your dbus installation/configuration which would be an easy fix |
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| 13:16.34 | renatov | babilen: I guess the solution will be something like adding an "export $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=something" line in rc.local |
| 13:17.49 | babilen | renatov: No, the variable has to be initialised with the correct value. I guess it is typically set by some daemon and you have to figure out why it is not set. Setting it to some arbitrary (though not random) value won't help anything. |
| 13:18.34 | babilen | renatov: I'll be out for a smoke and will have a look at that once I'm back. Give me a few minutes and try to figure out how the variable is supposed to be set. |
| 13:18.43 | renatov | babilen: that's a pity... banshee worked in lenny, before the upgrade |
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| 13:19.07 | renatov | babilen: I don't know what more to do, I searched a lot in google, asked for help in debian's forum... |
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| 13:20.28 | babilen | renatov: Yes, I've seen that. So, you just completed an upgrade? |
| 13:20.46 | babilen | but give me some time, i'll be back in a few mins :) |
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| 13:21.02 | renatov | babilen: ok =] |
| 13:21.13 | renatov | babilen: I found out something interesting |
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| 13:25.14 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 13:30.36 | rozie | dear lazyweb, which daemon should I restart to restart getty - http://pastebin.com/JakUjF0p |
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| 13:35.36 | ttiicc | could some one recommend a good, GUI based, easy configurable SVN client? |
| 13:35.43 | catsup | rozie: init runs getty, but you can't restart it. you can force it ot reload its config file with 'init q' |
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| 13:36.29 | catsup | rozie: but to restart a getty, just kill |
| 13:36.34 | catsup | rozie: but to restart a getty, just kill it* |
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| 13:39.31 | pplask | may i ask questions about rsyslog here? I know there is a channel for rsyslog, but theres no one there alive |
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| 13:47.59 | jakobjs | I'm experiencing this issue on my Deb 5.0.7 -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/263160 ... I have the same sata raid card as this guy does, (lspci out:04:02.0 SCSI storage controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. MV88SX5081 8-port SATA I PCI-X Controller (rev 03)) What can I do to fix this? |
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| 13:48.57 | jakobjs | don't tell me to install the latest Ubuntu over it :-| |
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| 13:50.22 | renatov | babilen: I just solved the problem! Check your private message. Thanx! |
| 13:50.31 | jelly | jakobjs: how do you know it's the exact same issue? Can you pastebin your own dmesg or /var/log/kern.log? |
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| 13:52.08 | patatoman | were can i download debian 500? since the manual for ispconfig is for 500 thats why im having trouble with it. |
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| 13:53.24 | jakobjs | jelly: my disks are getting disconnected, http://pastebin.com/6WCgmFFH |
| 13:53.31 | jelly | patatoman: Current, Debian 5.0.7 updates should not have any API or ABI changes from 5.0.0 relevant for userspace. |
| 13:53.34 | NativeAngels | hello i have a really ancient toshiba satalite pro 480cdt and would like to know if there is a version of debian that would work on it i am looking for kernal 2.4 as 2.6 wont load |
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| 13:54.26 | patatoman | come on jelly were do i get 500? |
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| 13:54.44 | jakobjs | patatoman: you don't need 5.0.0 |
| 13:55.37 | patatoman | ok ty\ |
| 13:56.07 | jakobjs | patatoman: get 5.0.7, problems with any software are not because of the debian rls if it's supposed to work on 5.0.0 |
| 13:56.43 | jelly | patatoman: you can get installation image for 5.0.0, but as soon as you start the installation process with a machine connected to the internet, you're going to end up with the updated system. |
| 13:57.14 | jelly | patatoman: therefore, it's not very useful to use an 5.0.0 installation image. |
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| 14:01.06 | patatoman | ah now thats a good reason thanks jelly |
| 14:01.20 | patatoman | chears im going home njoy the weekend |
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| 14:02.07 | jelly | jakobjs: well. You can file a bug for the lenny linux-image-2.6.26-2-686-vserver package, or you can try a backported 2.6.32 kernel to see if it behaves any different (and hopefully better) |
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| 14:04.28 | jakobjs | hmmmm sounds like an easier task then replacing the controller |
| 14:04.48 | tdn | In /etc/network/interfaces, what is the difference between 'auto' and 'allow-hotplug'? I have read man 5 interfaces, however, it barely describes this. |
| 14:05.02 | jakobjs | jelly: can I use a kernel package from sid then to install 2.6.32 ? |
| 14:05.23 | jelly | jakobjs: use a package from lenny-backports instead. |
| 14:05.42 | jelly | !tell jakobjs about lenny-backports |
| 14:05.46 | jakobjs | jelly: manually downloaded or added to sources.list? |
| 14:05.46 | jelly | !tell jakobjs about bdo kernel |
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| 14:06.33 | rozie | catsup: thank you! |
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| 14:07.52 | jakobjs | jelly: thnx |
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| 14:08.33 | homie` | wtf |
| 14:09.05 | SuperNull | Anyone ever write any scripts for snmptrapd ? i cant find a well documented location for this |
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| 14:12.02 | homie | is anyone on channel ##c ? |
| 14:13.15 | jakobjs | SuperNull: i'm currently experimenting with Zabbix and snmp trap reception, it's looking very nice that system |
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| 14:13.24 | jakobjs | SuperNull: http://www.zabbix.com/ |
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| 14:13.59 | babilen | homie: Around 400 people |
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| 14:15.31 | jakobjs | crap, download from backports.debian.org is slow, 3.5k/s :-| |
| 14:15.44 | runa | heyas. I'm using the ruby1.9.1 backport and I would like to upgrade to the new version, released by ruby-lang.org. I guess it should be pretty easy since both versions (the packaged in bpo and the new one) are pretty similar. Where can I find a howto? |
| 14:16.10 | catsup | pplask: you can ask questions about anything that runs on debian, of course that doesn't mean anyone will have an answer |
| 14:16.45 | brugidou | runa: i personnaly am tired of apt and ruby |
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| 14:18.06 | runa | brugidou: are you using RVM? |
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| 14:18.28 | stew | runa: have a look at uupdate |
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| 14:18.58 | runa | stew: looks great, thanks |
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| 14:20.57 | brugidou | runa: yes, even if it's not the perfect thing |
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| 14:29.04 | DotHack | can i disable xen support in the d-i? it seems to be hanging after detecting some xen stuff (im trying to install squeeze on a xenserver host) |
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| 14:40.42 | vlt | Hello. Can anyone recommend a very Debian based distro that is optimised for running from flash media? |
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| 14:43.45 | vlt | DotHack: No problems here. What kernel are you booting from? |
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| 14:49.29 | DotHack | vlt its the amd64 version. the 32bit version boot ok |
| 14:50.20 | krisfremen | ahoy there, i'm trying to set up exim to recieve emails from outside, but every thing i try, i get 550 relay not permitted when receiving |
| 14:50.43 | amee2k | how do you select what /dev/dsp records?! |
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| 14:50.53 | krisfremen | sending works just fine though |
| 14:51.09 | amee2k | i'm trying to use xoscope but i can't find an option to select which card to use |
| 14:51.57 | LasseMDK | When doing and aptitude search, I get a list of packages where I have I, P or V in the left pane? What does this mean? I is installed, but I am not sure about V and P ? |
| 14:52.01 | amee2k | the manual just says that it uses /dev/dsp and i need an external app to select the device to record from |
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| 14:53.48 | jordanm | amee2k: /dev/dsp is oss. alsa-oss package for oss compatibility |
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| 14:55.28 | amee2k | jordanm: i installed it. what do i do next? |
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| 14:56.10 | jordanm | amee2k: should be it |
| 14:56.10 | amee2k | a third card appeared in the gnome mixer now |
| 14:56.33 | amee2k | well, what i need to do is select which card to record from |
| 14:56.48 | amee2k | for some reason it insists on using the mic in of the onboard card |
| 14:57.00 | amee2k | but i want it to use an external one |
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| 14:58.17 | jordanm | amee2k: I haven't done any work on multi sound card systems |
| 14:59.06 | amee2k | hehe, me neither :) |
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| 15:00.56 | banoz | hi there |
| 15:01.04 | banoz | is it possible to prevent the make install to recompile the project? |
| 15:01.07 | banoz | I'm using cmake |
| 15:01.28 | jordanm | the install target typically does not do the compiling |
| 15:01.47 | amee2k | well, only if it hasn't been compiled yet |
| 15:01.52 | jordanm | if it does, you can edit those section out of the install target in the Makefile |
| 15:01.53 | banoz | it has been compiled |
| 15:01.58 | amee2k | or files have been changed in the meantime |
| 15:02.00 | banoz | it's very strange this thing |
| 15:02.26 | banoz | I don't know how but a file changed (it disappeared during compiling) |
| 15:02.27 | pipeline | make clean && make |
| 15:02.29 | banoz | every time I compile |
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| 15:02.47 | zero1234 | I'm trying to use netcat locally by issuing [nc -l 5555] and [nc localhost 5555] but I get a "connection refused" error... does anybody know why this may be happening? |
| 15:02.50 | banoz | so when I type make install it recompiles again and it doesn't install it |
| 15:03.16 | jordanm | zero1234: there is no TCP daemon listening on 127.0.0.1:5555? |
| 15:03.51 | stew | !connection refused |
| 15:03.51 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified IP address at all (e.g. apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
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| 15:04.20 | banoz | it's very weird |
| 15:04.39 | zero1234 | what's the netstat command to check if there's something listening over 5555? |
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| 15:04.52 | banoz | is not possible to force that situation |
| 15:04.52 | colo-work | netstat -nlp |
| 15:05.17 | jordanm | zero1234: netstat -lnap | grep ':5555' |
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| 15:06.47 | zero1234 | mmm there's nothing... but if i do netstat -nlp | grep nc i get something like 0.0.0.0:59081 |
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| 15:07.55 | zero1234 | issued again and now is showing 0.0.0.0:48251 |
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| 15:08.36 | zero1234 | does it mean is listening on another port? |
| 15:09.22 | stew | zero1234: show us the entire line? |
| 15:09.31 | zero1234 | sure |
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| 15:10.20 | zero1234 | http://pastebin.com/kCuXCjmL |
| 15:10.42 | stew | so yes, its listening on a different port |
| 15:10.50 | zero1234 | btw, if i run nc localhost on that port i get a "invalid connection to [127.0.0.1] from (UNKNOWN) [127.0.0.1] 49875" |
| 15:10.59 | zero1234 | on the "server" side |
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| 15:11.15 | stew | its on 48251 not 49875 |
| 15:11.23 | stew | oh |
| 15:11.29 | zero1234 | yeah sorry, i re-issued the command |
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| 15:11.41 | stew | you want nc -l -p 5555, not nc -l 5555 |
| 15:12.02 | stew | nc -l 5555 means "wait on a random port for a connection, when you get one run the command "5555" |
| 15:12.23 | zero1234 | OMG! I'm SO sorry |
| 15:12.27 | zero1234 | yeah that was it |
| 15:12.29 | zero1234 | thank you guys! |
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| 15:13.06 | lauris | is dm-mapper snapshots merge functionality included into squeeze ? |
| 15:13.11 | dimir | Nice. |
| 15:13.16 | dimir | Happy customer. |
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| 15:15.32 | jelly | zero1234, stew: that's netcat-traditional. To make things confusing, nc on RHEL really uses nc -l 5555 syntax |
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| 15:16.48 | zero1234 | jelly: oh... thank's for the info, I was wondering why I saw so many examples without the -p |
| 15:16.54 | zero1234 | thanks* |
| 15:17.16 | jelly | there're probably dozens of netcat implementations, all alike |
| 15:17.26 | babilen | lauris: If it is already in kernel 2.6.32, then yes, otherwise no. But you will probably be able to install a newer kernel from backports. |
| 15:17.45 | babilen | lauris: And I doubt that it has been commited to 2.6.32, but you might want to check that. |
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| 15:18.02 | jelly | ,provides netcat |
| 15:18.05 | judd | Package netcat in lenny/i386 provides no additional packages. |
| 15:18.09 | jelly | ,whatprovides netcat |
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| 15:18.18 | lauris | babilen, do you mean backports rep ? |
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| 15:18.27 | judd | Package netcat in lenny/i386 is provided by: netcat-openbsd, netcat-traditional. netcat is also a real package. |
| 15:18.29 | e9ck3r | hi guys |
| 15:18.31 | babilen | lauris: Yes, that is what I mean. |
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| 15:18.47 | jelly | ,whatprovides netcat --release squeeze |
| 15:18.52 | judd | Package netcat in squeeze/i386 is provided by: netcat-openbsd, netcat-traditional. netcat is also a real package. |
| 15:18.53 | e9ck3r | how can i configure 3d effects in debian? |
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| 15:19.22 | jordanm | !tell e9ck3r about compiz |
| 15:19.34 | themill | ,depends netcat --release squeeze |
| 15:19.35 | judd | Package netcat -- depends: netcat-traditional (>= 1.10-35). |
| 15:20.22 | lauris | babilen, this could be a problem since i need kernel with openvz support |
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| 15:21.33 | e9ck3r | jorddanm : not just install compiz |
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| 15:21.50 | e9ck3r | i have to configure it? |
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| 15:22.06 | babilen | lauris: You might have to compile a newer kernel yourself then. But please check if the feature you are looking for has been commited to 2.6.32 as this is the kernel squeeze will release with. |
| 15:22.12 | jelly | themill: to make things even more confusing, I have this netcat6 thing installed which provides an alternative for /bin/nc bot does not Provides: netcat |
| 15:22.26 | jordanm | e9ck3r: "ccsm" is the configuration utility |
| 15:22.29 | lauris | babilen, i checked it, this feature is commited to 2.6.33 |
| 15:22.40 | themill | jelly: \o/ |
| 15:22.50 | e9ck3r | jordanm: okok |
| 15:23.08 | jelly | themill: no idea where it came from... I never needed 'v6 functionality in my life ;-) |
| 15:23.11 | lauris | but still i wondered whether it could be backported to 2.6.32 which is standard kernel on squeeze |
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| 15:23.43 | Shadow` | somehow i just have 2 desktops and cant seem to find where to increase this back to 4, am using compiz (gnome) |
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| 15:23.55 | babilen | lauris: I am quite sure that it could be backported, but I doubt that this is going to happen as people will just ask you to run a newer kernel. |
| 15:24.06 | jordanm | Shadow`: "desktop size" general options |
| 15:24.43 | Shadow` | ahh, thanks jordanm :) |
| 15:24.52 | jordanm | anytime :) |
| 15:25.02 | babilen | lauris: And please note that openvz kernels are available from backports, so it might be pretty easy to install a newer kernel. |
| 15:25.16 | lauris | babilen, i couldn't find it |
| 15:25.31 | babilen | lauris: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=openvz+linux-image&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=lenny-backports |
| 15:25.44 | lauris | that's still .32 |
| 15:26.04 | ethanol | what is wrong with .32? |
| 15:26.15 | babilen | lauris: Sure, Squeeze has not yet been released, so it is *lenny*-backports not *squeeze*-backports |
| 15:26.35 | ethanol | not even testing and unstable have .33 |
| 15:26.48 | Shadow` | oh, cant seem to change it from just 1. the up arrow is greyed out, manually it just goes back to 1 when changed, even when increasing horizontal and vertical size's |
| 15:26.49 | lauris | ethanol, i has one very desired function :) |
| 15:26.49 | themill | ,kernels --release experimental |
| 15:26.50 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.37-trunk-686 (2.6.37-1~experimental.1) |
| 15:27.14 | ethanol | themill, I only looked at ones with openvz |
| 15:27.23 | lauris | http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_33#head-3c0fcd3c11814268252fcf6312feb6e953264011 |
| 15:27.32 | lauris | namely DM merge target support |
| 15:27.46 | babilen | ethanol: squeeze is testing right now. Newer kernels are in experimental right now and will remain there until Squeeze has been released. What is your use-case anyway? |
| 15:27.52 | lauris | it's all about LVM |
| 15:28.05 | jelly | lauris: Debian can handle a custom kernel. |
| 15:28.08 | ethanol | pretty sure squeeze is pretty much frozen/almost stable |
| 15:28.32 | ethanol | babilen, my use case? que? |
| 15:28.34 | lauris | jelly, that's what i'm digging in now |
| 15:28.38 | disposable | i want to temporarily fail a disk in a MD (raid1) array. if i do mdadm --fail, how do i then un-fail the disk? |
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| 15:28.50 | jelly | disposable: remove it, add it back |
| 15:28.53 | babilen | jelly: yes, i just told him that newer kernels with openvz support will probably be available from squeeze-backports once it has been released. |
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| 15:29.09 | babilen | ethanol: ENICK -- I meant lauris :-\ |
| 15:29.10 | jelly | babilen: oh. well, openvz is often a tough nut |
| 15:29.11 | disposable | jelly: but then the resync would take forever. |
| 15:29.14 | ethanol | babilen, ah ok |
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| 15:29.25 | jelly | disposable: indeed. |
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| 15:29.48 | jelly | disposable: do you have the write intent bitmap feature enabled on that md array? |
| 15:29.48 | ethanol | disposable, why do you want to fail it? |
| 15:30.07 | lauris | ha! |
| 15:30.08 | babilen | lauris: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage -- /msg dpkg kp |
| 15:30.28 | babilen | lauris: Why don't you wait until Squeeze has been released? |
| 15:30.32 | lauris | i've just realised that openvz haven't released patch for 2.6.33 yet |
| 15:30.36 | disposable | jelly: i guess if i --re-add it instead of --add, it shouldn't take that long. |
| 15:31.04 | jelly | disposable: it's going to be pretty much the same thing if any changes were done to the array in the meantime |
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| 15:31.52 | lauris | babilen, because it looks quite stable now i don't want to upgrade from lenny to squeeze in the future |
| 15:31.56 | disposable | ethanol: just testing a theory |
| 15:32.22 | disposable | ethanol: that one of the drives is faulty and is slowing down the whole array |
| 15:32.28 | babilen | lauris: Eh, what? |
| 15:33.12 | lauris | babilen, this is my answer to your question why did i installed squeeze |
| 15:33.45 | babilen | lauris: Ah, ok. You already installed it. |
| 15:33.57 | e9ck3r | bye bye guys |
| 15:33.59 | lauris | i can't wait. i can choose between lenny and squeeze |
| 15:34.10 | lauris | i chose to install squeeze since there are some problem with KVM on lenny |
| 15:34.36 | ethanol | yeah I upgraded my test server from lenny to squeeze |
| 15:34.43 | ethanol | went like a breeze |
| 15:34.44 | ethanol | no issues |
| 15:34.53 | lauris | babilen, actually this fact does not make much of a sense since i can reinstall it in 5minutes :) |
| 15:35.53 | babilen | :-D |
| 15:36.36 | lauris | i checked it with chronometer last time i installed squeeze :) |
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| 16:21.57 | LemensTS | Maybe developers here can help me. I am using svn on a project, I work in the trunk directory. I just did "svn copy trunk tags/1.0.0" to start creating versions. I was telling my users to just checkout the trunk, should I start telling them to check out versions in "tag"? Reason I see checking out the versions instead of using trunk, is if they do svn update, it may break something if they havent done it in a long time and I h |
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| 16:23.16 | brugidou | didn't you want more of a "stable" branch than an actual tag? |
| 16:23.31 | themill | LemensTS: if they checked out a tag, then svn update should never do anything (tags shouldn't change) |
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| 16:24.46 | solifugus | What's the name of that package that enables a server to proxy apt-get to machines in an internally closed network? |
| 16:24.48 | kelioua | Hi |
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| 16:26.00 | LemensTS | themill: right if they use a tag they can't svn update. They would have to checkout a new tag, and run the update file. If they are on a trunk they can svn update. |
| 16:26.20 | solifugus | Is there a way to get a list of the most recent apt-get installs I did? |
| 16:26.40 | solifugus | I installed a package to proxy for apt-get but don't know what the package was called.. |
| 16:26.47 | solifugus | I forgot.. |
| 16:26.53 | solifugus | and it's not in my history any more.. |
| 16:27.04 | kelioua | At mysql-server package install, the MySql server is automatically started. Is there a way to disable this autostart on install ? |
| 16:27.16 | jeff_hann | kelioua, yes |
| 16:27.21 | themill | LemensTS: it sounds like you really want a long-lived "stable" branch as brugidou was implying. Punters svn co the branch and get an update when you merge the development work into that branch. |
| 16:27.23 | brugidou | LemensTS: if you don't want them to update just use a tag, otherwise make a "stable" branch where you merge only stuff that is stable so they can update it regularly without breaking anything |
| 16:27.24 | jeff_hann | sysv-rc-conf |
| 16:27.25 | pLr | solifugus: check /var/cache/apt |
| 16:27.46 | themill | brugidou: the redbean book covers this development model, /msg dpkg svn book |
| 16:27.55 | themill | errr... LemensTS ^^ |
| 16:28.18 | LemensTS | themill: thanks that all makes sense |
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| 16:28.57 | kelioua | jeff_hann: I mean, avoid start of Mysql from the post-install step of the package install |
| 16:29.22 | themill | LemensTS: note that svn merging is pretty crappy when the two branches start diverging a lot. Other VCSs (like git) do a lot better at merging. |
| 16:29.35 | brugidou | :) |
| 16:29.47 | solifugus | pLr: thanks for the advice but nothing in there rings a bell... |
| 16:30.01 | jeff_hann | kelioua, modify the installation scripts - if I understood correctly what you want |
| 16:30.02 | solifugus | Google's not yielding me the right thing yet, either.. |
| 16:30.47 | pLr | solifugus: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 16:30.47 | kelioua | jeff_hann: there is no way (option ?) to avoid this without modifying the installation scripts ? |
| 16:31.14 | jeff_hann | kelioua, maybe someone else here knows; I , for one, have no idea |
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| 16:31.32 | themill | !policy-rc.d |
| 16:31.32 | dpkg | somebody said policy-rc.d was a mechanism which allows you to prevent certain init scripts from being run. see http://people.debian.org/~hmh/invokerc.d-policyrc.d-specification.txt, or <invoke-rc.d> To disable all daemon starts and stops during package installation, use http://paste.debian.net/75816/, but note that would have consequences that you probably don't like so tailoring it to your needs to only skip certain daemons would be advised. |
| 16:31.36 | jeff_hann | kelioua, why do you want that, anyway? |
| 16:31.36 | solifugus | pLr: I was looking in the wrong machine... It's apt-cacher, thanks!! |
| 16:31.39 | themill | kelioua, jeff_hann: ^^ |
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| 16:32.49 | kelioua | jeff_hann: I'm creating a script to build a chroot. Mysql is install inside. |
| 16:33.16 | kelioua | I don't want Mysql to start on install |
| 16:33.21 | meder | anyone know the shortcut to increase lcd brightness |
| 16:33.26 | meder | i know there is one because ive used it b4 |
| 16:33.58 | themill | kelioua: debootstrap and (or perhaps cowbuilder...) stick a policy-rc.d in such chroots that do exactly that for you. |
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| 16:37.55 | kelioua | themill: how does it work ? |
| 16:38.36 | themill | kelioua: see what dpkg just said |
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| 16:41.04 | bravvve | hi,i need ctrl+alt+F12 combineson in a virtual machine,how can i disable it on the host machine |
| 16:41.57 | jeff_hann | bravvve, what virtual machine? |
| 16:42.46 | bravvve | i need the combineson for some application in virtual machine under vmware |
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| 16:42.53 | SyL | it's still ssh -i filename (host) to login using keys, right? |
| 16:43.27 | bravvve | what that? |
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| 16:44.26 | tharkun | abrotman: i ran into a non declared variable on mb2md should it be reported as a bug? |
| 16:44.35 | SyL | bravvve: I'm trying to login a machine using an ssh key. I'm trying to see if I'm doing it right or the person that gave me the key put a password on it. |
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| 16:45.16 | kelioua | themill: ok, seems to meet my needs, thx a lot ;) |
| 16:45.20 | jeff_hann | bravvve, ctrl + alt will capture your keyboard and you can then use ctrl + alt + F12 on the guest |
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| 16:45.31 | themill | kelioua: no worries. happy hunting! |
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| 16:45.47 | dkr | SyL: yes, you can use -v to see the steps occuring |
| 16:45.53 | SyL | dkr: thanks... |
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| 16:46.18 | bravvve | capture your keyboard??? |
| 16:48.38 | jeff_hann | bravvve, yes, meaning that all keyboard/mouse input will be captured by the guest OS |
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| 16:50.19 | abrotman | tharkun: probably? |
| 16:51.25 | tharkun | abrotman: actually it is on line 1038 and it gets solved by adding my $tbal = $t; utime $t, $tbal, $messagefn; |
| 16:51.33 | abrotman | send a patch! |
| 16:51.45 | tharkun | doesn't know how to do that |
| 16:52.02 | abrotman | man diff? |
| 16:52.20 | tharkun | abrotman: thx i'll look into that |
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| 16:55.41 | bravvve | jeff_hann thanks |
| 16:55.51 | jeff_hann | np |
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| 16:59.17 | jhutchins_lt | sylarr: If you have the key in .ssh it should be used automatically. |
| 16:59.27 | jhutchins_lt | sylarr: Sorry. |
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| 17:02.08 | tharkun | what is the standard way of submitting a patch to a program. It seems there are a lot of options that make the patch behave diferent when beeing aplied. |
| 17:03.03 | babilen | tharkun: unified diff (diff -u) maybe? |
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| 17:03.12 | poisonbit | diff -u ? for multiple files, diff -Naur over parent tree ? |
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| 17:03.49 | tharkun | babilen, poisonbit thx i'll try both and look at the differences |
| 17:03.50 | babilen | tharkun: But I would just use whatever VCS is used by upstream ... |
| 17:04.30 | poisonbit | diff -u file1 file2 or (maybe) diff -Naur /dir1 /dir2 |
| 17:04.37 | poisonbit | the babilen tip is the best one |
| 17:04.52 | tharkun | babilen: Great idea There should be some info there on how to submit patches also |
| 17:04.57 | poisonbit | unless you're going to send a patch to someone inaccesible, talk with them |
| 17:06.05 | poisonbit | depending on the project, you will get a commit account and will have to work yourself :) |
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| 17:10.27 | nirazio | Is there a ppa or debian package for Thunderbird 3.3a? |
| 17:11.10 | tharkun | !icedove |
| 17:11.10 | dpkg | Icedove is a DFSG-free fork of Mozilla Thunderbird, a cross-platform email client, which replaces Thunderbird in Debian from Lenny. Debian is unable to distribute Mozilla Thunderbird as-is due to trademark restrictions, see <DFSG> and <iceweasel>. For help with upstream issues, ask #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org. |
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| 17:33.52 | poisonbit | it smells to squeeze in the air.... |
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| 17:41.40 | lapfrog | hey guys i'm having some trouble with an on-board intel graphics adapter |
| 17:41.58 | lapfrog | if i use vesa, it says something, i forget what (an error) |
| 17:42.05 | poisonbit | you're not alone |
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| 17:42.15 | poisonbit | squeeze ? |
| 17:42.16 | lapfrog | if i use fbdev, the screen turns off and the computer becomes totally unresponsive |
| 17:42.37 | lapfrog | an if i use (yes squeeze) intel, i get a blank screen. i can switch back to the vt though, but the screen is still blank |
| 17:42.54 | poisonbit | have you looked at xorg.0.log ? |
| 17:43.11 | lapfrog | it says nothing apparently relevant |
| 17:43.15 | poisonbit | you can take a look to man intel |
| 17:43.21 | lapfrog | oh |
| 17:43.23 | lapfrog | good idea |
| 17:43.25 | lapfrog | looking |
| 17:43.30 | poisonbit | each model needs different fixes |
| 17:43.35 | lapfrog | i see |
| 17:43.43 | lapfrog | how do i check the model? |
| 17:43.44 | poisonbit | maybe search "yourmodel squeeze" in google |
| 17:43.50 | poisonbit | lspci | grep vga |
| 17:44.04 | lapfrog | empty lol |
| 17:44.07 | poisonbit | err |
| 17:44.09 | poisonbit | VGA |
| 17:44.12 | poisonbit | or grep -i |
| 17:44.15 | lapfrog | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01) |
| 17:44.24 | lapfrog | so it's a 82845G? |
| 17:44.30 | poisonbit | yup |
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| 17:44.34 | lapfrog | ok |
| 17:44.49 | poisonbit | at a side of man intel |
| 17:44.52 | poisonbit | there is a debian wiki |
| 17:45.04 | poisonbit | that use to have notes about xorg, zqueeze, intrel, etc... |
| 17:45.17 | lapfrog | i the se. |
| 17:45.18 | poisonbit | sorry for my typos, i'm a bit drunked |
| 17:45.19 | lapfrog | see* |
| 17:45.27 | lapfrog | aren't we all. |
| 17:45.53 | poisonbit | it's friday :) |
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| 17:47.09 | poisonbit | also... http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#graphics |
| 17:47.15 | poisonbit | change $arch to yours |
| 17:47.23 | poisonbit | and $lang |
| 17:47.55 | poisonbit | I don't know if your chipset feets under I915 |
| 17:48.01 | poisonbit | maybe the man clarifies that |
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| 17:49.32 | pplask | guys, do you use loganalyzer, the old phplogcon? |
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| 17:51.32 | poisonbit | pplask, /me no, do you have any current issue or error message ? |
| 17:51.33 | lapfrog | i haven't discovered it in the list |
| 17:51.49 | poisonbit | lapfrog, see the release notes link |
| 17:51.58 | lapfrog | i did it said nothing |
| 17:52.08 | poisonbit | maybe you can try setting the KMS boot param |
| 17:52.20 | ubajas | The following packages have been kept back: bind9-host dnsutils libbind9-50{a} libdns55 libisccc50{a} libisccfg50{a} liblwres50{a} |
| 17:52.24 | poisonbit | aaa no "Kernel drivers for Intel (starting from i830), " |
| 17:52.57 | poisonbit | ubajas, aptitude full upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 17:52.58 | lapfrog | yeah the console is in graphics mode i forgot to mention |
| 17:53.06 | ubajas | aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 17:53.40 | poisonbit | try with the asked one |
| 17:53.54 | ubajas | Linux debian64esxi 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Nov 25 04:30:55 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 17:54.34 | poisonbit | lapfrog, sorry, I need to take off to other tasks... try pasting your xorg log... maybe someother can help you, good luck ! |
| 17:54.59 | ubajas | What does aptitude full-upgrade do? |
| 17:55.06 | ubajas | I'm looking in the man page. |
| 17:55.13 | lapfrog | no problem, thanks |
| 17:55.46 | ubajas | hmm |
| 17:56.11 | ubajas | The "solutions" I get from "aptitude install <kept back packages>" seem pretty crazy. |
| 17:56.14 | jhutchins_lt | lapfrog: I would recommend that you try lenny. |
| 17:56.24 | stew | ubajas: remove libdns55 and try again |
| 17:56.29 | lapfrog | no way jose :P |
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| 17:56.38 | lapfrog | i just upgraded meself |
| 17:56.49 | jhutchins_lt | lapfrog: Squeeze has been having real teething pains on Intel graphics, and what you're facing is still a series of "ok, what did THIS one break" updates. |
| 17:57.16 | jhutchins_lt | lapfrog: You might get lucky and be able to snapshot or pin one that works, but chances are it's going to be a while before they stop breaking it. |
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| 17:57.43 | lapfrog | no worries this is just a server i don't need graphics that badly |
| 17:57.50 | lapfrog | just figured i might get it to work |
| 17:58.06 | stew | ubajas: libdns55 is your problem, and for some reason its not marked as auto, i'd recommend removing that when you aptitdue isntall the others |
| 17:58.40 | ubajas | Now it said libdns55 was "BROKEN". |
| 17:58.47 | stew | ubajas: so perhaps "aptitude install bind9-host dnsutils libdns55_" |
| 17:58.53 | stew | ubajas: remove it, you don't want it |
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| 17:59.21 | ubajas | It removed it and replaced it with a newer version. I think I'm good now. |
| 17:59.32 | jhutchins_lt | lapfrog: wtf are you running testing without security updates on a server for? Is it supposed to be a honeypot? |
| 18:00.13 | lapfrog | well i had been running lenny up until now but i heard squeeze will soon become stable? |
| 18:00.19 | pplask | poisonbit, im having troubles to make it display the facility and severity column. They just dont show. |
| 18:01.20 | pplask | here is a line from the source file: "kern.info<6>: Jan 14 15:47:28 debian1 kernel:imklog 3.18.6, log source = /proc/kmsg started." |
| 18:01.30 | poisonbit | sorry haven't used that... for everyother reding this: ^^^ <pplask> guys, do you use loganalyzer, the old phplogcon? |
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| 18:04.10 | jhutchins_lt | lapfrog: Yes, some day, but until then it doesn't get the same attention to security updates as lenny. |
| 18:04.30 | lapfrog | well can i downgrade now? |
| 18:04.39 | lapfrog | after switching to dependency based boot? |
| 18:04.53 | jhutchins_lt | lapfrog: Restore from backup or reinstall basically. |
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| 18:05.06 | jhutchins_lt | lapfrog: Systemic downgrades aren't supported. |
| 18:05.32 | lapfrog | doh |
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| 18:05.54 | jhutchins_lt | ponders the confusion of "to be released soon" with "released". |
| 18:06.01 | lapfrog | T_T |
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| 18:07.53 | tharkun | Gentlemen i have a couple servers running postfix 2.8 when the time comes to upgrade what would be the best way to avoid the most problems? |
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| 18:09.34 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: Wait a couple of weeks, see what problems people are having with the upgrade, read release notes and errata closely, ideally build a test box and upgrade that, then with a step-by-step plan and a bare-metal backup go forth. |
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| 18:10.33 | jhutchins_lt | I have been amazed by the large, presumably professional orgs that have done major infrastructure upgrades that hit a glitch and did NOT have the ability to fall back instantly to the old version to restore service. |
| 18:11.44 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: you're too optimistic! |
| 18:11.48 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: nice general plan it differes from mine on a few minor details. But i was expecting something different. Thx jhutchins_lt my neck usually hangs from the same place as the avilability of systems so i usually take some paranoic aproches to services fubar |
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| 18:12.44 | jhutchins_lt | Always make sure your clients/users understand three things: There will be outages. There will be downtime. There will be data loss. |
| 18:13.05 | jhutchins_lt | Your job is to minimize these three things, but no-one can eliminate them. |
| 18:13.52 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: can i quote you on that one. Nice 10x50 in frame on the main wall of my office :D |
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| 18:15.18 | jhutchins_lt | Sure! |
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| 18:34.50 | poisonbit | Is there a recopilation of all licenses currently present in debian packages ? |
| 18:35.09 | poisonbit | or may I query that using any app ? |
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| 18:38.41 | poisonbit | maybe udd.debian.org can be used for that... if so... anyone with access can pastebin the results in the wiki or wherever? |
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| 18:39.24 | poisonbit | the data is in the schema |
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| 18:46.04 | poisonbit | that could be more "cool" than writing a crawler against packages.debian.org or wget all and use something like http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1884753/license-info-of-a-deb-package |
| 18:46.28 | poisonbit | for Debian the infraestructure, and for my harddisk |
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| 18:46.55 | poisonbit | maybe a cron task could get that query and paste it in the wiki |
| 18:47.11 | poisonbit | I can help with all, but the access and the query needed |
| 18:47.16 | ilembitov | Does Debian 6.0 RC1 CD images include Debian Installer 6.0 RC1? |
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| 18:47.35 | poisonbit | it should ? |
| 18:47.36 | stew | ilembitov: cd1 does |
| 18:47.48 | ilembitov | stew: thanks |
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| 18:49.05 | thewanderer1 | poisonbit: public.new_packages contains the license field while public.all_packages does not |
| 18:49.34 | poisonbit | thewanderer1, can I query that in udd using some of the cgis ? |
| 18:49.40 | poisonbit | or "something" |
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| 18:52.13 | thewanderer1 | poisonbit: apparently the server is not listening to outside connections |
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| 18:52.55 | poisonbit | I wonder why we don't have a "license" field in apt-cache show or aptitude show |
| 18:53.00 | poisonbit | :) |
| 18:53.15 | poisonbit | or do we have it using somemagic switch ? |
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| 18:53.34 | poisonbit | fires manpage |
| 18:53.59 | ansgar | poisonbit: Becuase there is no such information. There is only debian/copyright which has a free text format. |
| 18:54.04 | poisonbit | --full ? |
| 18:54.41 | poisonbit | aha |
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| 18:55.10 | jhutchins_lt | http://www.debian.org/legal/licenses/ |
| 18:55.21 | poisonbit | \o/ |
| 18:55.41 | poisonbit | thanks a lot jhutchins_lt |
| 18:55.42 | jhutchins_lt | Licenses are usually in /usr/share/doc/<package> |
| 18:55.57 | poisonbit | "Licenses currently found in Debian main" |
| 18:56.13 | poisonbit | that was _the_ info I was looking for |
| 18:56.34 | thewanderer1 | indeed there is no license info in the package |
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| 18:56.42 | ansgar | poisonbit: That list is however nowhere near complete. |
| 18:56.55 | poisonbit | ohhhh :.( |
| 18:57.02 | jhutchins_lt | Then how does it get into /usr/share/doc? |
| 18:57.23 | poisonbit | <jhutchins_lt> I do not have 12 archs and all packages installed |
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| 18:57.40 | poisonbit | pasted your nick to avoid 4 or 5 tabs xD |
| 18:58.02 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: You mean to say that the info is not in the package metadata. |
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| 18:58.36 | jhutchins_lt | The jh* field is getting a bit cluttered. |
| 18:58.40 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: yes, and only the control file is required, so if there is no license file included, a package can still exist |
| 18:59.09 | thewanderer1 | by the way are you the same person as jhutchins? |
| 18:59.26 | jhutchins_lt | Yep. In fact, jhutchins gives me an audio alert. |
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| 19:00.13 | MaSch | hiho |
| 19:01.43 | poisonbit | imagines that adding the license field, could require to modify toons of debian building tools, docs, etc... at a side of modify apt-cache and aptitude |
| 19:01.57 | poisonbit | wrong ? |
| 19:02.07 | thewanderer1 | it could be hacked around by adding a debtag |
| 19:02.15 | poisonbit | =) |
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| 19:02.53 | thewanderer1 | actually I have no idea where debtags are stored :P |
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| 19:03.39 | gintek | have you any idea how to do somelike this: user in proftpd who can del move rename all files in /home ? |
| 19:04.34 | poisonbit | aptitude show ~Glicense::* as well as aptitude show ~Glicense returns nothing currently |
| 19:05.12 | thewanderer1 | gintek: method 0: set ACL for all files in /home for that user; method 1: create a user, give him CAP_DAC_OVERRIDE and use a MAC system to limit his rights |
| 19:05.36 | thewanderer1 | gintek: in method 0 file owners can remove the ACL, so it would require re-applying the ACL periodically |
| 19:06.10 | gintek | thewanderer1: user can use only ftp, he cant log in via ssh |
| 19:07.08 | thewanderer1 | gintek: then the user must be 'root' to accomplish this, or, as I said, use RBAC and a PAM module which grants CAP_DAC_OVERRIDE |
| 19:07.17 | stew | he can't login via ssh until he starts ftping in his ssh keys? or using symlinks to overwrite files in /etc? :) |
| 19:08.21 | thewanderer1 | gintek: perhaps you should invent an alternative interface to the system which would control access according to the requirements that you specified |
| 19:08.31 | thewanderer1 | like a Web GUI |
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| 19:09.42 | thewanderer1 | stew: RBAC systems control this kind of symlink attacks (at least decent systems), and having no permission to write in /etc without CAP_DAC_OVERRIDE is harmless too :P |
| 19:10.54 | gintek | thewanderer1: hmm i had idea to do directory section in proft conf file limit for all add all privileges to one user |
| 19:11.55 | thewanderer1 | gintek: are you sure the user would have the privileges to write? aren't the user's file operations checked against Unix DAC? |
| 19:12.57 | gintek | i sey 'i had' past form :) it was stupid idea |
| 19:13.08 | thewanderer1 | gintek: by the way, you can still apply an ACL to home directories and disable ACL support in proftpd so that users are not allowed to modify the entries |
| 19:13.54 | thewanderer1 | as long as they do not execute shell commands on their own, this works |
| 19:14.50 | thewanderer1 | however keep in mind that letting your users execute any commands, for example via PHP shell_exec, gives them shell access to the system, also from remote (nc -l -p 2011 -c /bin/bash #now they log in to bash without password) |
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| 19:16.03 | gintek | thewanderer1: thx |
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| 19:20.51 | dutchfish | hi, how can i list the packages on my system that [ have | have not | wil have ] security support from the debian security team (debian/squeeze)? |
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| 19:25.30 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: Good grief, you have a REALLY distorted impression of how things work. |
| 19:25.39 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: It's not that organized. |
| 19:26.15 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: If somebody thinks a security update for a package is important, they might push it into the security updates instead of just letting it run it's usual course, but that's not a predictable thing. |
| 19:26.18 | stew | dutchfish: the security team would support all the debian packages in squeeze, or am I misunderstanding your question? |
| 19:26.27 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: It would also depend on the particular flaw. |
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| 19:26.54 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: Some package that nobody thought would be a problem suddenly becomes a back door, but hey, it's not on the list? |
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| 19:31.14 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: Sorry, but can you explain this svn://svn.debian.org/svn/secure-testing/data/package-tags and this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=436161 |
| 19:31.48 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: and sorry if i don't understand it |
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| 19:34.10 | jhutchins_lt | It's an attempt to keep track of ongoing support issues, but doesn't look like it's well thought out yet. |
| 19:34.43 | jhutchins_lt | Like I said, if we knew where the bugs were we'd fix 'em. As Dick Cheny would say, these are unknown unknowns. |
| 19:35.54 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: well, its from 2007 ..... and i don't blame anyone, but i am hoping for a clearer understanding (catogorizing) of security imposed packages and wich dont fall into that catagory, the later one having more change of fixing security bugs as i understand. |
| 19:37.07 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: maybe i am caught up on a loose end, if so, do tell me, np. |
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| 19:41.00 | jhutchins_lt | I've seen some stuff on the lists that makes it clear that it's still in flux, it is adapting to the people available and the problems at hand. |
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| 19:41.58 | guzu | hello all |
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| 19:42.16 | guzu | how can i set fluxbox as my default session? slim/squeeze |
| 19:42.24 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt: fair enough, i will patiently wait for it, thanks ! |
| 19:42.34 | guzu | fluxbox is not in the f1 sessions list |
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| 19:47.30 | CuBe0wL | hi all! does anybody know if the latest kernel in testing (2.6.32-5) has sched_autogroup_enabled=1 ? |
| 19:47.44 | CuBe0wL | or does it even has that patch? |
| 19:47.49 | lac-afk | is there a separate channel for running debian on your android phone? |
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| 19:52.44 | dutchfish | CuBe0wL: http://pastebin.com/j8aMnFLu |
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| 19:54.04 | CuBe0wL | dutchfish, that means probably no, am I reading it right? |
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| 19:54.18 | dutchfish | CuBe0wL: yes |
| 19:54.18 | sedulous | why won't my Debian system break beyond repair? i've been trying so hard for the past 2 years... |
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| 19:56.52 | bughunter2 | i got something interesting happening lately |
| 19:56.56 | bughunter2 | for example, this morning, the update-manager kept segfaulting |
| 19:57.02 | bughunter2 | and it was because it used /usr/bin/python2.6 |
| 19:57.08 | bughunter2 | which, for some strange reason, somehow got modified |
| 19:57.14 | bughunter2 | (my harddisk is fine) |
| 19:57.17 | bughunter2 | it happened a few times |
| 19:57.41 | bughunter2 | I had to copy the binary from my laptop to my desktop to fix it, since reinstalling python gave problems (as it caused a few triggers that made apt-get run python, which failed..) |
| 19:58.00 | bughunter2 | I now wrote a script to monitor whether the python2.6 binary is OK |
| 19:58.34 | bughunter2 | it'll dump a comparison (a simple `cmp -l python2.6-good /usr/bin/python2.6') and lsof | python2.6 |
| 19:58.44 | bughunter2 | interesting problem, never had something like that before |
| 19:59.22 | bughunter2 | s/lsof | python2.6/lsof | grep python2.6 |
| 19:59.29 | bughunter2 | :) |
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| 20:00.04 | dutchfish | bughunter2: you could have added that file to rkhunter with mpmod ;) |
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| 20:00.13 | bughunter2 | rkhunter, mpmod? |
| 20:00.30 | dutchfish | bughunter2: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/rkhunter/wiki/MPMOD |
| 20:00.56 | bughunter2 | since I didn't know of its existence, I doubt it :P |
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| 20:01.14 | bughunter2 | what is rkhunter anyway? |
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| 20:01.44 | dutchfish | !rkhunter |
| 20:01.44 | dpkg | [rkhunter] Rootkit Hunter a Unix-based tool that scans for rootkits, backdoors and local exploits. It does this by comparing MD5 hash of important files with known good ones in online database, searching for default directories (of rootkits), wrong permissions, hidden files, suspicious strings in kernel modules, and special tests for Linux and FreeBSD. See also <chkrootkit>, <tiger>. |
| 20:01.47 | stew | rkhunter is a program which will scan your disk for old rootkits that nobody uses anymore |
| 20:01.49 | bughunter2 | oh, right |
| 20:02.15 | bughunter2 | well, I wrote my own script for it now anyway :p |
| 20:02.17 | bughunter2 | but, thanks :) |
| 20:02.22 | dutchfish | yw |
| 20:02.45 | stew | bughunter2: so /usr/bin/python2.6 is being replaced and you don't know how? |
| 20:02.54 | bughunter2 | it's not replaced, just one byte in it is being modified |
| 20:02.58 | bughunter2 | somehow |
| 20:03.06 | bughunter2 | perhaps it only happens when I'm running python apps |
| 20:03.07 | bughunter2 | I'm not sure |
| 20:03.13 | bughunter2 | but I want to keep certain apps open, so |
| 20:03.22 | stew | sounds like it could be faulty hardware |
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| 20:03.23 | bughunter2 | could use my laptop for those apps though, so I can see whether it makes a diff |
| 20:03.27 | bughunter2 | yeah, it does |
| 20:03.31 | bughunter2 | but, it's not faulty hardware at all |
| 20:03.35 | bughunter2 | the harddisk is totally fine |
| 20:03.40 | stew | what is causing it then? |
| 20:03.43 | bughunter2 | it keeps happening |
| 20:03.45 | bughunter2 | I don't know yet |
| 20:03.50 | bughunter2 | it's been happening for the past few days |
| 20:03.55 | bughunter2 | it takes a while before the binary gets modified |
| 20:03.57 | stew | then how can you eliminate hardware problems? |
| 20:04.02 | bughunter2 | well |
| 20:04.11 | bughunter2 | I filled the harddisk up with a big file |
| 20:04.12 | bughunter2 | with random data |
| 20:04.18 | bughunter2 | and kept verifying it every few hours |
| 20:04.20 | bughunter2 | (and still am) |
| 20:04.32 | bughunter2 | and since it kept happening in the python binary |
| 20:04.36 | bughunter2 | but nowhere else (or so it seems) |
| 20:04.43 | bughunter2 | i doubt very much that it's a hardware issue |
| 20:04.45 | bughunter2 | at least, not a harddisk issue |
| 20:04.50 | bughunter2 | but we'll see |
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| 20:06.58 | cusco | it seems like a rootkit or so yes... |
| 20:07.03 | cusco | exploit or whatever |
| 20:07.17 | bughunter2 | that'd be really odd |
| 20:07.20 | bughunter2 | I never had such issues |
| 20:07.43 | bughunter2 | why'd a rootkit only modify a python2.6 binary |
| 20:08.01 | bughunter2 | at least, that's the only thing that seems to happen, so far |
| 20:08.02 | stew | bughunter2: that's definately the only file being modified? |
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| 20:08.09 | stew | definitely* |
| 20:08.12 | bughunter2 | I'm going to check /usr/bin |
| 20:08.15 | bughunter2 | i made a checksum list |
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| 20:08.41 | bughunter2 | yep |
| 20:08.42 | bughunter2 | all fine |
| 20:09.27 | bughunter2 | perhaps I should play around with rkhunter? |
| 20:09.56 | stew | bughunter2: so your theory is that you have some buggy piece of software on your machine that modifies one byte of /usr/bin/python2.6? |
| 20:10.04 | bughunter2 | no, I do not have a thoery yet |
| 20:10.16 | bughunter2 | I'm simply saying "I don't know" |
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| 20:10.22 | bughunter2 | hence I wrote a script |
| 20:10.24 | stew | well it has to be a bug or an exploit or a hardware error, and you seem to doubt the last two |
| 20:10.25 | bughunter2 | to observe when it happens |
| 20:10.26 | GJdan | is the emacs23 package the newest version of emacs? or is it something else all together >.> |
| 20:10.39 | bughunter2 | yes, there is much doubt in my mind |
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| 20:11.49 | dutchfish | GJdan: http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/emacs23.html |
| 20:12.54 | GJdan | hmm |
| 20:13.11 | dutchfish | GJdan: 22 is in stable and 23 in backports and testing |
| 20:13.15 | GJdan | ah |
| 20:14.02 | GJdan | k :/ just curious cause in order to update xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd to a version that supports my rv770 card it wants to remove emacs and that makes me sad |
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| 20:14.19 | bughunter2 | rkhunter says I have "Xzibit Rootkit", but searching the web for this reveals there are false positives linked to this |
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| 20:14.31 | bughunter2 | all checksums are fine, no other weird things... |
| 20:14.53 | bughunter2 | at the moment I don't see much reason to believe I have any rootkit |
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| 20:15.33 | kannan122 | whats the easiest way to set up smtp |
| 20:16.25 | justin | kannan122: what does 'set up smtp' mean? |
| 20:16.28 | dutchfish | bughunter2: you could watch processes for sending out data to the net tel-tale-signs of that rootkit and modified versions would chatter to named url |
| 20:17.09 | bughunter2 | with what? |
| 20:17.10 | bluesceada | where can i get wx-config in debian? |
| 20:17.28 | dutchfish | bughunter2: tcpdump, iftop whatever |
| 20:17.31 | kannan122 | i want to set up a smtp server |
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| 20:17.41 | bughunter2 | oh you mean keep running them and grep? |
| 20:17.59 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 20:18.09 | dutchfish | bughunter2: or watch and observe, also check ps auxww | netstat -nlp |
| 20:18.09 | Bartzy | What happens when the OS ran out of memory ? |
| 20:18.14 | bughunter2 | k |
| 20:18.24 | Bartzy | it starts swapping or kills a process (active one?) ? |
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| 20:21.14 | saulo | How can I install 2.6.37 kernel version? |
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| 20:21.23 | wildc4rd | evenin all! |
| 20:21.48 | saulo | I've tryed http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage , but fails because changelog have 2.6.36 info |
| 20:21.54 | guzu | how do i reconfigure the x-session-manager ? |
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| 20:27.38 | jelly-home | saulo: so you edit the changelog. |
| 20:27.55 | cahoot | guzu: lloking for man update-alternatives? |
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| 20:28.09 | guzu | cahoot, i suppose so, et me try this |
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| 20:28.34 | jelly-home | saulo: you can start with the 2.6.37 source package from experimental |
| 20:29.00 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 20:29.02 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.37-trunk-686 (2.6.37-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-29); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-29~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 20:31.12 | KaffeeJunky123 | I've a problem with iceweasles history on debian squeeze, should I ask about it here or in #firefox? |
| 20:31.40 | KaffeeJunky123 | it doesn't use the history to propose urls in the url bar ^^ |
| 20:31.56 | KaffeeJunky123 | and no I'm not in private browsing mode :/ |
| 20:32.14 | JoshH | that's a config option in it |
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| 20:32.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | JoshH: I've searched the whole privacy config for hours :/ |
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| 20:33.17 | JoshH | under privacy, location bar |
| 20:33.19 | JoshH | drop down |
| 20:33.28 | JoshH | suggest history |
| 20:33.53 | KaffeeJunky123 | I've selected history & bookmarks |
| 20:34.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | but I'll try just history ^^ |
| 20:34.17 | JoshH | that's what i use to turn it on and off |
| 20:34.31 | JoshH | i use normal firefox though, rather than iceweasel |
| 20:34.39 | KaffeeJunky123 | JoshH: doesn't work though |
| 20:35.23 | KaffeeJunky123 | JoshH: the location bar does only have a history of three adresses somehow, and it won't add any new pages I visit ^^ |
| 20:35.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | JoshH: where did you get that normal firefox from? |
| 20:36.05 | JoshH | getfirefox.com |
| 20:36.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | JoshH: the binary from mozilla.com doesn't work properly for me |
| 20:36.19 | KaffeeJunky123 | JoshH: there are some bugs with the menu style |
| 20:36.23 | JoshH | you must have a screwed up computer or something |
| 20:36.53 | jhutchins_lt2 | KaffeeJunky123: Sounds like what happens if you do something like run iceweasel as root - permissions on the history file are fubar. |
| 20:37.15 | JoshH | lol, the name iceweasel always cracks me up |
| 20:37.24 | KaffeeJunky123 | jhutchins_lt2: I never ever did that |
| 20:37.37 | jhutchins_lt2 | Still, the file is b0rked. |
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| 20:38.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | jhutchins_lt2: any idea how to find out wich file exactly that would be? |
| 20:38.40 | jhutchins_lt2 | KaffeeJunky123: close all iceweasel windows, rename ~/.mozilla, try again. |
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| 20:39.10 | KaffeeJunky123 | jhutchins_lt2: ok |
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| 20:40.19 | KaffeeJunky123 | jhutchins_lt2: using the import feature in iceweasle shouldn't give me that bug again right? |
| 20:40.33 | jhutchins_lt2 | You tell us! |
| 20:41.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | if I find it lol |
| 20:42.31 | tekzilla | i'm trying to mount an image file that claims to be an iso, but he doesnt guess the filesystem. the first line of the image says "Toast 4.1.2 HFS OptimizerApple_HFS", i have all HFS related packages installed |
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| 20:44.41 | guzu | update-alternatives does not offer fluxbox as an alternative session manager, only gnome |
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| 20:45.09 | guzu | ln -s still works, though |
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| 20:45.24 | guzu | cahoot thanks for help |
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| 20:45.45 | jhutchins_lt2 | tekzilla: iso files should always be iso9660 |
| 20:46.04 | jhutchins_lt2 | tekzilla: what does file <filename>.iso say? |
| 20:46.26 | tekzilla | jhutchins_lt: data |
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| 20:46.37 | SvenL- | I can't access some experimental packages in experimental, I would like to upgrade my kernel with one from Sid (I am on Squeeze) |
| 20:46.40 | jhutchins_lt | That's not much help, is it? |
| 20:46.47 | jhutchins_lt | tekzilla: Check your md5sum. |
| 20:47.12 | tekzilla | jhutchins_lt: how will that help, i have nothing to compare it to |
| 20:47.19 | jhutchins_lt | SvenL-: Is your backup complete? |
| 20:47.36 | jhutchins_lt | tekzilla: Ah, that's too bad. |
| 20:47.59 | jhutchins_lt | tekzilla: What command are you using to mount it? |
| 20:48.15 | tekzilla | mount -o loop |
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| 20:48.35 | jhutchins_lt | Full command please. |
| 20:48.51 | tekzilla | thats it, followed by the iso filename and the mountpoint |
| 20:48.51 | jhutchins_lt | Should be mount -o loop disk1.iso /mnt/disk |
| 20:48.55 | SvenL- | jhutchins_lt: Uhm... I am talking about the website, pages are referenced by google but I can't access them |
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| 20:49.39 | jhutchins_lt | SvenL-: The google links are probably out of date. |
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| 20:49.59 | SvenL- | Apparently sid is kept at the newest Kernel, isn't it ? 2.6.35 was deleted, replaced by .37 |
| 20:50.07 | jhutchins_lt | tekzilla: Does the mount command give an error? |
| 20:50.18 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 20:50.18 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.37-trunk-686 (2.6.37-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-29); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-29~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 20:50.35 | jhutchins_lt | experimental != sid |
| 20:50.39 | tekzilla | jhutchins_lt: thanks for you help. mount says: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 20:51.02 | jhutchins_lt | mount -o loop -t iso9660 disk1.iso /mnt/disk |
| 20:51.10 | SvenL- | Oh yes, sorry |
| 20:51.23 | jhutchins_lt | tekzilla: If that fails there's a good chance it's a bad/corrupt/incomplete file. |
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| 20:51.31 | tekzilla | jhutchins_lt: ISOFS: Unable to identify CD-ROM format. |
| 20:51.44 | jhutchins_lt | tekzilla: Yep. Badfile. |
| 20:52.10 | tekzilla | jhutchins_lt: ok i was starting to go mad, thanks again |
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| 20:54.55 | SvenL- | jhutchins_lt: Thank you. You said backup... ? My /home is on a separate partition. Is it ok then ? And doesn't Debian just install new linux-images and one is free to choose one from the list on boot in Grub ? |
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| 20:56.19 | jhutchins_lt | SvenL-: You are doing three things that may be irreversable: runninig testing, mixing releases, and using experimental. Any of those can b0rk your system. If you're cool with a clean reinstall, you can go ahead without a system backup. |
| 20:56.53 | jhutchins_lt | SvenL-: Just in case it makes irreversable system changes (udev) or draws in unpredictable dependencies. |
| 20:57.41 | SvenL- | I happen to have sound issues. I tried an Ubuntu 10.10 based on 2.6.35, everything worked very well, I then tried 10.04, based on 2.6.32 and I experienced the same exact issues as on my current box with Squeeze |
| 20:58.00 | SvenL- | Ok, understood |
| 21:01.35 | SvenL- | the experimental branch keeps updated to the newest kernel, is that right ? It seems to be impossible to install other kernels |
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| 21:04.06 | jhutchins_lt | No, not quite. I don't really know the whole policy - I believe it can be found in the wiki - but experimental allows very new, very un-tested software with the potential to enter the path to stable. |
| 21:04.21 | SvenL- | yes |
| 21:04.42 | jhutchins_lt | This does not mean that the kernel is going to be the latest from kernel.org, but the most recent debian build might show up in experimental before it goes to sid. |
| 21:05.33 | jhutchins_lt | Debian is not terribly concerned about having the latest version number of any particular package. They are concerned with how the system runs as a whole. |
| 21:06.23 | dkr | but higher numbers are bettar! |
| 21:06.42 | SvenL- | Of course yes, me too, that's why I am concerned by this sound issue that seems to be fixable with at least a 2.6.35 kernel |
| 21:07.24 | SvenL- | and I can't figure out how to find it, experimental online provides... experimental packages, that is as you said "very new, very un-tested" |
| 21:07.27 | jhutchins_lt | SvenL-: You're sure it's a problem in the kernel drivers for the sound system? There are a lot of other components involved with sound. |
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| 21:07.53 | SvenL- | No, that's right I am not sure |
| 21:07.58 | jhutchins_lt | SvenL-: You'll notice that .35 is not a debian build. |
| 21:08.22 | jhutchins_lt | SvenL-: It's also true that the Ubuntu .37 build is not the same kernel as the Debian .37. |
| 21:09.16 | jhutchins_lt | SvenL-: Have a look at the release notes for the .32 vs the .35 kernels - is there a change that relates to your problem? |
| 21:09.43 | SvenL- | I didn't went down to this yet, thank you for the tip |
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| 21:10.38 | capitan | how hard is it for people to spoof ips on the internet these days? |
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| 21:11.27 | capitan | has it neared the point of "very very difficult" yet? |
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| 21:13.05 | holoseen | any idea how close squeeze is to release? |
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| 21:13.36 | jhutchins_lt | !release critical |
| 21:13.36 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=squeeze&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php . See also <rc-alert>. |
| 21:13.36 | capitan | i'm thinking about setting up fail2ban... but i'm afraid of it backfiring if spoofers create a nasty DOS situation... i'm hoping someone will tell me i'm being unreasonably paranoid though... |
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| 21:14.01 | jhutchins_lt | capitan: There's only so much you can do. |
| 21:14.24 | capitan | hi jhutchins_lt |
| 21:14.29 | capitan | what do you mean? |
| 21:14.42 | N3tw0rK | got a strange problem, Lenny; I can not bring ip the ipv6 portion of my interface stanza http://pastebin.com/v3qLfQev |
| 21:15.05 | jhutchins_lt | There are probably some good security newsletters and web articles that discuss current best practices in securing a server. |
| 21:15.52 | holoseen | so maybe 1,000 bugs! |
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| 21:18.22 | thewanderer1 | capitan: how exactly do you imagine spoofed packets would get to your host? |
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| 21:18.44 | capitan | thewanderer1, that's exactly the kind of answer i was hoping to get :) |
| 21:18.47 | thewanderer1 | the packets have to get routed to it, so to spoof the address would require the attacker to be hooked into some major ISP's infrastructure |
| 21:18.56 | capitan | i haven't touched a modern router... |
| 21:19.27 | ansgar | thewanderer1: Umm, no. At least not unless you want to get replies to your spoofed address. |
| 21:19.52 | thewanderer1 | ansgar: so how would one spoof an address other than being on the wire? |
| 21:19.58 | SerajewelKS | can someone clarify what -A to dd_rescue does? the manpage says "Always write blocks, zeroed if err" -- as opposed to what? seeking over the blocks and making the file sparse? |
| 21:20.08 | SerajewelKS | in other words, what's the behavior when you *don't* specify -A? |
| 21:20.24 | ansgar | thewanderer1: By just sending packages with a different source address. |
| 21:20.38 | thewanderer1 | ansgar: yes, and which ISP router will allow that? |
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| 21:21.04 | thewanderer1 | you have to *be* an ISP or a border router of an AS to spoof addresses |
| 21:21.22 | GJdan | what does it mean when aptitude says a package is broken? that sounds pretty serious >.< |
| 21:21.46 | zorg1 | gjdan it mean it can't install |
| 21:21.54 | capitan | well i'd *heard* a long time back that these days, a lot of routers will just drop packets if their source addresses don't match what they think should be on that port... the problem i was envisioning was, higher up... "what they expect" might be quite broad... |
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| 21:22.09 | SerajewelKS | GJdan: usually it means the package is installed or half-installed, but it depends on a package that is not installed |
| 21:22.19 | GJdan | ah |
| 21:22.29 | SerajewelKS | GJdan: so you have to install the dependencies to fix it |
| 21:22.32 | capitan | but again... i'm far from an expert... so i was hoping for a more practical answer than a theoretical one... |
| 21:22.37 | zorg1 | gjdan not necessary serious depend on the log |
| 21:22.39 | SerajewelKS | this can arise when using dpkg --force-depends |
| 21:22.45 | thewanderer1 | capitan: well, if you are afraid of spoofing by organized crime, it might be a valid concern provided that they plug into the wire |
| 21:22.59 | thewanderer1 | capitan: but then, there is no defense against that |
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| 21:23.18 | GJdan | is it better to install with aptitude vs the synaptic package manager? |
| 21:23.19 | capitan | thewanderer1, ansgar ... i'm asking because i got rooted and some jackholes used my box as a voip trunk |
| 21:23.31 | SerajewelKS | the general rule that covers spoofing is "when bad guys have access to equipment, they can control it" |
| 21:23.38 | thewanderer1 | capitan: set up SSH public key authentication |
| 21:23.43 | thewanderer1 | capitan: turn off password auth |
| 21:24.09 | capitan | fortunately, i had put a $550 limit on the provider account and that's all it cost me... |
| 21:24.12 | thewanderer1 | capitan: and read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ , it's good |
| 21:24.37 | jo_ | is there a way of install debian without usb/cd, anything removable... |
| 21:24.50 | SerajewelKS | GJdan: not particularly. i happen to like aptitude better, but that's just a preference. |
| 21:25.13 | thewanderer1 | GJdan: they all use similar resolver libraries - nowadays it's more a question of eliminating administrative errors by misreading package manager's output than actual program bugs |
| 21:25.19 | jhutchins | jo_: That's an "it depends", but yes. |
| 21:25.30 | jhutchins | !tell jo_ about install guide |
| 21:25.35 | capitan | thewanderer1, yes... that's part of my plan... so you think fail2ban is not worthwile as an additional measure? |
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| 21:26.16 | jo_ | jhutchins: I'll look in to it tx |
| 21:26.23 | thewanderer1 | jo_: http://goodbye-windows.com if you have Windows and want Debian |
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| 21:26.54 | SerajewelKS | capitan: fail2ban is nice until you lock yourself out because you had caps lock on. (i did that once -- good thing my VPS provider offers an online VT.) |
| 21:27.02 | thewanderer1 | capitan: I think it's not worth setting up... if you're paranoid, invest in port knocking |
| 21:27.30 | capitan | SerajewelKS, mine too :) slicehost? |
| 21:27.36 | thewanderer1 | also, iptables is better than fail2ban |
| 21:27.37 | SerajewelKS | capitan: vps.net |
| 21:27.52 | SerajewelKS | thewanderer1: they are not comparable. fail2ban uses iptables. |
| 21:27.59 | SerajewelKS | thewanderer1: apples and oranges |
| 21:28.10 | capitan | more like apples and apple-eaters ;) |
| 21:28.18 | thewanderer1 | SerajewelKS: yes, but it manipulates the rules beyond control of the administrator once launched |
| 21:28.22 | capitan | eats apples :P |
| 21:28.40 | SerajewelKS | thewanderer1: not true. it creates its own chain and stuffs its rules there. |
| 21:28.53 | SerajewelKS | thewanderer1: and just adds one rule to the top of the INPUT filter chain |
| 21:29.33 | thewanderer1 | well, without it spoofing attacks, even if they happen, do no harm |
| 21:29.45 | capitan | SerajewelKS, i'm less worried about caps locks and more about someone using my own fail2ban setup against me and tossing the whole internet in the ban list... |
| 21:30.20 | thewanderer1 | capitan: set up key auth for now on SSH. if you see many attack attempts in the log, install fwknop and use port knocking... |
| 21:30.41 | cast | disabling password auth is far better than usign fail2ban :) |
| 21:30.43 | thewanderer1 | (it's not like anyone is gonna break the keys during the next few years, though) |
| 21:30.43 | SerajewelKS | capitan: for TCP based services that's not feasible |
| 21:31.01 | capitan | fwknop?? cool... i thought setting up knocking was so far a manual voodoo-magic process :P |
| 21:31.01 | SerajewelKS | capitan: the SYN+ACK will never reach the attacker and they will therefore not know the TCP sequence number you have chosen |
| 21:31.02 | GJdan | what does the Score at the bottom of an aptitude report mean? |
| 21:31.10 | SerajewelKS | capitan: therefore the connection will never actually get established |
| 21:31.13 | GJdan | it says like, "Score is -431" |
| 21:31.14 | capitan | SerajewelKS, ahhh good point |
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| 21:31.47 | capitan | they'd have to send the ack back with some random number or something right? |
| 21:31.48 | SerajewelKS | capitan: fail2ban will by default only trigger on authentication failures, and you need an established TCP connection to get that far. plus, without receiving the replies a secure channel can't be negotiated. |
| 21:32.03 | SerajewelKS | capitan: they have to ACK the SYN+ACK with its sequence number, which is chosen at random |
| 21:32.15 | capitan | and i'm only worried about a TCP port DOS (web port)... |
| 21:32.38 | thewanderer1 | SerajewelKS: if you can fool the router, you can have the address anyway |
| 21:32.41 | SerajewelKS | capitan: SYN cookies should mitigate any DoS attempts at the OS level |
| 21:33.05 | SerajewelKS | capitan: unless, of course, the connections do get established |
| 21:33.10 | thewanderer1 | capitan: in WWW, you are more prone to slowloris than to actual TCP DoS |
| 21:33.27 | capitan | thewanderer1, what's slowloris? |
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| 21:34.12 | thewanderer1 | capitan: google it... and learn how to protect your web server |
| 21:34.13 | capitan | SerajewelKS, cool |
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| 21:36.01 | capitan | thewanderer1, ah... didn't know about that one... thanks! i was actually thinking about mucking with that time limit to do some long polling... you just dodged me a bullet ;) |
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| 21:36.55 | capitan | anyway thanks a LOT to both of you |
| 21:36.58 | thewanderer1 | capitan: if you want to go about Comet/AJAX, haproxy has facilities for that, as well as protecting against slowloris, but I have no idea to what extent they can be combined |
| 21:37.01 | capitan | this was very educational |
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| 21:37.23 | cast | what the fuck is slowloris |
| 21:37.34 | capitan | thewanderer1, don't know what that is... i was going to write my own implementation... |
| 21:37.37 | thewanderer1 | cast: apache killer :P |
| 21:37.52 | capitan | it's mononucleosis for your web server :P |
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| 21:38.43 | SerajewelKS | capitan: np |
| 21:38.47 | thewanderer1 | capitan: Comet was coined not so long ago so it's a pretty new term... and haproxy is one of the proposed solutions for defeating slowloris. or using a webserver like lighttpd or cherokee (hint: cherokee has more bugs now) |
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| 21:40.29 | capitan | lunch time :D bbiab |
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| 21:41.04 | DotHack | hi! |
| 21:41.21 | DotHack | anyone managed to install squeeze 64bit on xenserver 5.6? |
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| 22:23.50 | jimcooncat | Is there a good tutorial package for a new user? I don't mean a windows convert, I mean someone who hasn't held a mouse before. |
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| 22:24.12 | jordanm | !grounding |
| 22:24.12 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on the <debian-user> mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <overview>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial> (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference). |
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| 22:24.40 | cast | that shit will be too hard |
| 22:25.13 | cast | jordanm: how about load gnome and sit with them and tell them how to open a web browser and use the keyboard and mouse |
| 22:25.22 | cast | jimcooncat, even |
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| 22:27.25 | zoombuggy | Does debian have a way to check whether packages installed are "complete"? i.e. all their binaries have the same CRCs as they were originally in the package? |
| 22:27.36 | zoombuggy | (or at least their md5sums) |
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| 22:28.02 | jimcooncat | cast, sure. Distance a problem, though. I talked him through some basics last night, enough to get him into Aisleriot solitaire. It will be better when he gets internet access again so I can ssh/vnc in. |
| 22:28.02 | jordanm | zoombuggy: debsums |
| 22:28.13 | zoombuggy | thank you. I haven't used that one before. |
| 22:28.34 | cast | jimcooncat: the problem with really basic documentation, is its hell boring |
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| 22:29.18 | zoombuggy | .... hm. Not available as a command, man page or info |
| 22:29.52 | cast | zoombuggy: install it. |
| 22:30.18 | zoombuggy | ugh. it's not a standard tool. |
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| 22:31.09 | zoombuggy | Thanks. That'll do the job... |
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| 22:33.36 | jetole | Hey guys. It seems like debian 5.07 doesn't support ext4. Is this right or am I missing something? |
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| 22:36.07 | rss | hi |
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| 22:39.37 | debiantonio | jetole,http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 |
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| 22:43.12 | stuckey | I didn't select 'use repository' at install time. How can I reconfigure to use a repo? |
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| 22:45.43 | gnutron | stuckey: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:45.58 | stuckey | gnutron: can't I also reconfigure apt? |
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| 22:46.25 | stuckey | Or is this option install-time only? |
| 22:46.33 | stuckey | Also, where can I find a list of the repositories? |
| 22:47.11 | gnutron | stuckey: you can alter whenever you like, just use the proper repo's and comment out the cdrom line |
| 22:47.32 | gnutron | stuckey: try /msg dpkg for repositories |
| 22:47.36 | stuckey | gnutron: where can I find a list of repos so that I'll know what to add? |
| 22:48.03 | GJdan | do you have to pay for fglrx? |
| 22:48.09 | gnutron | stuckey: again, be certain you don't mix repo's or use the wrong ones for your install. |
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| 22:48.57 | gnutron | GJdan: fglrx is free the last time i was fool enough to use it. no offense. |
| 22:49.03 | stuckey | gnutron: I don't know where to find the URL to put in the sources.list file; dpkg "repositories" didn't give me that information. Is there also not a way to go back to the option to use a repo. which was given at install time? |
| 22:49.11 | GJdan | it seems to be my only remaining option :/ |
| 22:49.24 | GJdan | nothing else supports my radeonhd rv770 graphics card |
| 22:49.26 | gnutron | stuckey: what version are you running? |
| 22:49.29 | stuckey | gnutron: stable |
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| 22:49.59 | gnutron | stuckey: lenny right, i'll post mine, you should be dialed in. one sec |
| 22:50.23 | stuckey | There has to be a list of repositories somewhere. |
| 22:50.27 | stuckey | !list of repositories |
| 22:51.43 | gnutron | stuckey: http://pastebin.com/4ifxWWrY |
| 22:52.50 | gnutron | stuckey: you may want to adjust countries. |
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| 22:53.12 | Arrowmaster | !mirrors |
| 22:53.13 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
| 22:53.21 | stuckey | gnutron: awesome, thanks |
| 22:53.32 | gnutron | stuckey: welcome. |
| 22:53.42 | gnutron | Arrowmaster: thanks |
| 22:54.14 | stuckey | gnutron: how can I install my graphics card driver? |
| 22:54.32 | GJdan | gnutron: if you don't mind my asking, what is the problem sith fglrx? |
| 22:54.46 | gnutron | stuckey: identify the chipset, install the module. |
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| 22:55.03 | stuckey | gnutron: how do I do this? |
| 22:55.15 | stuckey | gnutron: and does this process apply to all hardware? |
| 22:55.42 | gnutron | GJdan: Over the years I've never had any luck with it, always resulted in un-installing it, your mileage may vary :) |
| 22:56.18 | GJdan | I'll take any other decent option >.< |
| 22:56.50 | GJdan | Has anyone here ever set up a working driver for a rv770 video card? |
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| 22:57.29 | gnutron | stuckey: I believe hal will recognize new hardware on boot, always check 'dmesg', 'lspci' or maybe thats udev's job, in any case if you're lucky it will probe and load the correct module for your hardware. |
| 22:58.07 | gnutron | stuckey: try lspci -nn in a terminal |
| 22:58.23 | Murtaugh | Hello everybody, anyone here cold help me to recovery an ReiserFS filesystem? It crashed without any apparent reason |
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| 22:59.55 | GJdan | god damnit, fglrx is as irritating as updating xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd |
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| 23:00.14 | GJdan | will an aptitude install with a score of -431 screw things up too bad? >.> |
| 23:00.30 | gnutron | stuckey: identify/locate the video chipset id and feed it to dpkg, you should get a module name, then modprobe it, is it working at all right now? |
| 23:01.52 | GJdan | http://dpaste.org/cUSD/ this is the aptitude proposal |
| 23:01.57 | stuckey | judd: versions xdg-utils |
| 23:01.58 | judd | Package xdg-utils on i386 -- etch: 1.0-1; lenny: 1.0.2-6.1; squeeze: 1.0.2+cvs20100307-2; sid: 1.1.0~rc1-1 |
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| 23:03.01 | Gryllida | Is it normal for '/lib/modules' to be empty? |
| 23:03.01 | stuckey | 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation C51PV [GeForce 6150] [10de:0240] (rev a2) |
| 23:03.13 | stuckey | which one is the id? |
| 23:03.41 | t3a | When I run "apache2" I get this error: http://pastie.org/1461994 here is /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf http://pastie.org/1462006 |
| 23:03.57 | gnutron | stuckey: 10de:0240 I think, anyone recall the bot syntax for this? |
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| 23:04.18 | Gryllida | t3a, Try #httpd ? |
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| 23:04.37 | t3a | where |
| 23:04.48 | Gryllida | Here: /join #httpd |
| 23:04.53 | t3a | oh |
| 23:05.06 | gnutron | judd: pciid 10de:0240 |
| 23:05.07 | judd | [10de:0240] is 'C51PV [GeForce 6150]' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel module 'nvidiafb' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0240 http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and the out-of-tree 'nvidia' module. |
| 23:05.13 | t3a | i thought you meant to fix something in the comment below #httpd |
| 23:05.19 | gnutron | stuckey: there you go |
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| 23:18.51 | BolderS | hi, i'm playing around with squeeze (kfreebsd) and wonder if anybody was able to successfuly run 'sockstat' already. ktrace shows that it is unable to open /proc/net/tcp - which is infact not existing in my installation. any hints? |
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| 23:20.05 | simonrvn | is /proc there? |
| 23:20.40 | BolderS | simonrvn: /proc/net is existing. just contains /proc/net/dev |
| 23:20.56 | stuckey | gnutron: how do I set default programs? |
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| 23:21.57 | simonrvn | dunno. been a while since i had *bsd |
| 23:22.27 | BolderS | thx anyway :) |
| 23:22.45 | stuckey | gnutron: Also, what do I have to do with nvidiaafib? |
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| 23:25.14 | kannan122 | how do i check if a package is installed on a debain machine |
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| 23:26.52 | BolderS | kannan122: dpkg --get-selections | grep <package> |
| 23:27.06 | kannan122 | thanks |
| 23:27.08 | stuckey | kannan122: or -l grep <package> |
| 23:27.35 | babilen | kannan122: Or "dpkg -l PKG_NAME" or millions of other ways :) |
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| 23:28.58 | stuckey | How do I set default programs? |
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| 23:29.14 | dvs | stuckey: update-alternatives |
| 23:29.30 | stuckey | dvs: and for web browser? |
| 23:29.33 | maplebed | hi - what's the best way to say, in one command line, "remove this package and install this other package"? |
| 23:29.57 | dvs | stuckey: yup: x-www-browser |
| 23:30.06 | phogg | maplebed: aptitude install installthis+ removethis- |
| 23:30.13 | maplebed | sweet. |
| 23:30.14 | maplebed | thanks. |
| 23:30.27 | stuckey | dvs: how did you know x-www-browser? |
| 23:30.37 | stuckey | i.e., is there a way to see what all there is to configure? |
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| 23:31.20 | babilen | stuckey: ls /etc/alternatives/ maybe? |
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| 23:31.30 | dvs | stuckey: update-alternatives --list x-www-browser |
| 23:31.47 | phogg | dvs: but is there a way to get a list of all configurable alternatives on the system? |
| 23:31.58 | dvs | phogg: ^^^ |
| 23:32.01 | phogg | as babilen says, you can ls the alternatives directory (which is what I do) |
| 23:32.17 | stuckey | okay |
| 23:32.22 | phogg | but it seem like a crude answer |
| 23:32.32 | maplebed | phogg: didn't work. :( |
| 23:32.33 | babilen | *sniff* |
| 23:33.20 | maplebed | the summary listed that the + package was going to be installed, but didn't say anything about the - package, and upon insatllation, the conflict reared up and the install failed. |
| 23:33.56 | babilen | phogg: Maybe "update-alternatives --get-selections" is to your liking? |
| 23:34.17 | phogg | babilen: ah, that's it |
| 23:34.39 | stuckey | when I open chrome, it still aks if I want to set it to the default browser, although update-alternatives shows it as the default. |
| 23:34.42 | stuckey | Why is this? |
| 23:35.02 | phogg | stuckey: chrome or chromium? |
| 23:35.11 | stuckey | phogg: google chrome. |
| 23:36.05 | babilen | phogg: I should note that update-alternatives does nothing else as looking at the links in /etc/alternatives/ itself and pretty-prints it :) |
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| 23:37.04 | phogg | babilen: the important part is that if the implementation every changed --get-selections would probably still work, but ls might not |
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| 23:37.35 | babilen | phogg: true |
| 23:37.40 | phogg | stuckey: chrome's notion of "system default browser" is probably not the same as Debian's. |
| 23:38.03 | stuckey | phogg: what is its notion? |
| 23:38.12 | phogg | stuckey: I'd guess it's setting the GNOME default browser setting, or whatever xdg thing replaces that |
| 23:38.23 | babilen | quite likely so |
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| 23:39.00 | maplebed | does anybody have experience with sudo + ldap - sasl in squeeze? my installation keeps failing on "sudo: ldap_sasl_bind_s(): Can't contact LDAP server" despite putting USE_SASL false in /etc/ldap/ldap.conf. Putting 'sudoers_debug 2' in /etc/ldap/ldap.conf shows "use_sasl no" in the output, but still fails at the same place (as though it's ignoring the directive). |
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| 23:44.24 | stuckey | phogg: how do I set gnome defaults? |
| 23:44.39 | stuckey | so /etc/alternatives are x defaults? |
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| 23:46.54 | catsup | /etc/alternatives/ are system defaults for commands at the command line |
| 23:47.15 | catsup | gnome defaults are per-user, used when gnome starts processes (in various ways) |
| 23:47.35 | catsup | gnome control panel will let you set them |
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| 23:49.50 | pielgrzym | hi, I've got a strange problem. In a vm based on lenny when I issue /etc/init.d/networking restart it brings up only lo and vpn tun0, no eth0. When I issue ifup eth0 manually afterwards it works fine. It also works fine uppon boot. what can be the problem?? |
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| 23:51.37 | pielgrzym | ifup -a does not raise any interface. I have to give it manually ifname |
| 23:51.47 | babilen | pielgrzym: No "auto eth0" in /e/n/i ? |
| 23:52.41 | pielgrzym | babilen: hehe, thanks. I admit, I am an idiot :D |
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| 23:53.07 | babilen | I won't comment on that ;) |
| 23:53.32 | pielgrzym | thanks :) now it works flawlessly ;) |
| 23:53.40 | babilen | wonderful! |
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