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| 00:03.10 | Dis0 | hi |
| 00:03.10 | Dis0 | so i have no .xinitrc, if i write one will it be used to start X? |
| 00:03.10 | Dis0 | or do i have to use sthg else to change the wm? |
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| 00:04.15 | jetole | I'm about to retry an installation of debian 5.07 and I haven't gotten this far again yet but is it true that 5.07 does not support ext4? |
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| 00:05.26 | Vorbote | Dis0: Yes. As it is a sh script, be sure to source /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc as first command in the file. |
| 00:05.56 | stuckey | http://paste.debian.net/104651/ <-- what does this mean?????? |
| 00:05.57 | Dis0 | Vorbote: thx |
| 00:05.58 | babilen | jetole: You could install Squeeze -- http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ + http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual |
| 00:06.33 | babilen | Dis0: If you use something like gdm or kdm you can select "run x client script" (or something like this) as session |
| 00:06.49 | debiantonio | jetole:http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 |
| 00:06.51 | Vorbote | Dis0: Another gotcha. All applications should be sent to the background (with &) except the last one, which usually is the wm. |
| 00:07.07 | Dis0 | babilen: i dont have a login manager, i jsut launch startx but i dont have a ~/.xinitrc |
| 00:07.51 | stuckey | I see that error for every mirror I try. What does it mean? |
| 00:07.54 | debiantonio | jetole:Debian Lenny doesn't support Ext4 (kernel 2.6.26) because it was still an experimental feature during the development of Lenny. Still, Lenny's 2.6.26 kernel provides the development module ext4dev. |
| 00:07.59 | Vorbote | Dis0: if you use openbox or fluxbox, you can get away with just putting the wm in your xinitrc and set up your applications in the wm confiration instead. |
| 00:08.06 | BolderS | any idea why /proc/net/tcp is missing in squeeze/kfreebsd? |
| 00:08.26 | Dis0 | Vorbote: yeah i know about the & but thanks, just curious what happen if i dont put /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc ? |
| 00:08.28 | Vorbote | BolderS: because it is not linux? |
| 00:08.49 | Vorbote | Dis0: you won't have a sane session environment. |
| 00:08.52 | BolderS | Vorbote: should be available in bsd also |
| 00:08.55 | babilen | Dis0: Yes, that works. Just wanted to let you know (in case you use a login manager) |
| 00:08.57 | stuckey | Err http://carroll.aset.psu.edu stable/non-free Sources 404 Not Found |
| 00:09.00 | stuckey | what does that mean??? |
| 00:09.07 | Dis0 | Vorbote: well i use openbox right now and as it is the only wm on my computer it launch by default but i wanna give scrotwm a try |
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| 00:09.28 | thewanderer1 | stuckey: your mirror got broken, get a new mirror |
| 00:09.37 | thewanderer1 | or perhaps they don't mirror sources of non-free :P |
| 00:09.45 | stuckey | thewanderer1: i've tried six mirrors from the debian mirror site. |
| 00:09.49 | stuckey | thewanderer1: Are they all broken? |
| 00:10.02 | thewanderer1 | stuckey: what is your sources.list line? |
| 00:10.10 | Vorbote | Dis0: you'll have to switch by hand, editing your xinitrc. Would be easier with a login manager. Most in debian have a session config file thrown in for good measure. :) |
| 00:10.11 | Dis0 | Vorbote: can i edit the /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc file instead? |
| 00:10.13 | stuckey | thewanderer1: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ is painfully slow. |
| 00:10.35 | thewanderer1 | stuckey: I know... try some overseas server |
| 00:10.37 | Vorbote | Dis0: At your own risk. You can't cry if you break the toy :-) |
| 00:10.39 | stuckey | thewanderer1: http://paste.debian.net/104652/ |
| 00:10.41 | Dis0 | Vorbote: what do you mean by hand? |
| 00:10.53 | Dis0 | Vorbote: lol yeah maybe it s better not to :p |
| 00:11.00 | Vorbote | Dis0: editing the file to change the wm to start. |
| 00:11.15 | thewanderer1 | stuckey: so remove non-free from the deb-src lines. it's not like you can get useful stuff in sources of non-free packages anyway :) |
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| 00:11.39 | Dis0 | Vorbote: oh ok, i dont want a login manager i want access to the command line when i start and i want my system as lightweight as possible |
| 00:11.55 | stuckey | thewanderer1: not folllowing you |
| 00:11.58 | Vorbote | Dis0: :-) |
| 00:12.12 | stuckey | Does anyone know of a mirrow that will provide a useable speed? |
| 00:12.33 | jhutchins_lt | !mrrors |
| 00:12.39 | jhutchins_lt | !mirrors |
| 00:12.40 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
| 00:12.40 | thewanderer1 | stuckey: your deb-src lines contain non-free sections. remove references to non-free in deb-src lines, as non-free doesn't provide sources anyway |
| 00:12.43 | Dis0 | Vorbote: so i can edit my xinitrc to launch different wm with a xinitrc openbox or xinitrc scrotwm or sthg |
| 00:12.49 | jhutchins_lt | !apt-select |
| 00:13.09 | Vorbote | Dis0: Yeah! Just keep a list and uncomment the one you will use. |
| 00:13.14 | jhutchins_lt | !netselect |
| 00:13.15 | dpkg | netselect takes a list of servers and uses multiple pings and traceroutes to figure out which one has the best connectivity relative to you. See also <netselect-apt>. |
| 00:13.18 | stuckey | that isn't helping me, all of the mirrors I try suck/are broken/are slower than the last one I tried. |
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| 00:13.50 | Vorbote | stuckey: where are you located? |
| 00:13.57 | Dis0 | Vorbote: k, thanks :) |
| 00:14.04 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: how do I use apt-select and how do I install it? |
| 00:14.05 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: There's a prety high guarantee that if we were to tell you "oh, mirror <blah> is really fast", it would soon be swamped and no-longer fast. |
| 00:14.08 | stuckey | Vorbote: southern us |
| 00:14.30 | jhutchins_lt | stuckey: atitude install netselect and read the docs. |
| 00:14.33 | Dis0 | Vorbote: and to be sure i just need to put /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc as the first line nothing more? |
| 00:14.52 | stuckey | No candidate version found for netselect |
| 00:14.59 | Vorbote | Dis0: but sourcing it like this: ". /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc" |
| 00:15.25 | Dis0 | Vorbote: oh ok thanks :) |
| 00:16.02 | jetole | babilen and debiantonio: Thanks. I don't know the names of the distros by friendly names. I know I tried testing last night which supported ext4 but grub is broken on the installer. I tried 5.07 today in a VM and installing it now to the desktop but I kinda remember not seeing the ext4 option. By the way, sorry about the delay in the response but someone else just came by my desk |
| 00:16.14 | stuckey | No candidate version found for netselect |
| 00:16.21 | stuckey | jhutchins_lt: No candidate version found for netselect |
| 00:16.24 | stuckey | how am I supposed to install this? |
| 00:16.31 | stuckey | aptitude install netselect gives No candidate version found for netselect |
| 00:16.34 | babilen | Dis0: Or conditionally: http://paste.debian.net/104653/ |
| 00:16.40 | stuckey | !netselect |
| 00:16.41 | dpkg | netselect takes a list of servers and uses multiple pings and traceroutes to figure out which one has the best connectivity relative to you. See also <netselect-apt>. |
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| 00:16.50 | stuckey | !netselect-apt |
| 00:16.51 | dpkg | netselect-apt uses <netselect> to determine the fastest Debian mirror respective to your location, then writes a sources.list file for use with <apt>. See also <apt-spy>. |
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| 00:17.34 | Dis0 | Vorbote: thanks what does the condition change? |
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| 00:18.19 | babilen | jetole: Debian just released rc1 (first release candidate) of squeeze (the next Debian release that will be released soonish (now "testing")). Squeeze supports ext4. Lenny is the current "stable" and does not support installations to ext4 |
| 00:18.56 | babilen | jetole: If you have a problem with Squeeze's rc1 we would like to know about it. What was broken with grub? |
| 00:19.05 | Vorbote | Dis0: it is standard practice in shell programming to test if a file exists before trying to do anything with it. I'm just lazy, 'cause if X is installed the file must exist or there are real problems with the system. |
| 00:19.10 | themill | babilen: to be accurate, what was released was RC1 of the installer, not of squeeze itself. |
| 00:19.16 | thewanderer1 | guys, I need help understanding how sftp performs write actions. I upload file.txt using dolphin (KDE file manager) to an sftp server. Dolphin creates a file named file.txt.part - what does sftp binary do at this point? |
| 00:19.40 | thewanderer1 | and later, when Dolphin moves file.txt.part to file.txt - how does sftp handle this? |
| 00:20.02 | daemonkeeper | thewanderer1: see sftp-server, the sub system called by SSH |
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| 00:20.09 | rabbitear | labron james have posted all his secrets on wikileaks |
| 00:20.16 | thewanderer1 | daemonkeeper: like, read through the whole source? |
| 00:20.44 | Vorbote | thewanderer1: don't use dolphin, rather use konqueror. |
| 00:20.45 | antivirtel | who can anwser me: I have a separated user for upgrade automatically WP, but it copies data with 755, so my group can't write these files, only with sudo; can I force other user or 775? |
| 00:20.53 | babilen | themill: true, but I don't want to confuse further. Might be a good idea to word it different the next time. :) |
| 00:20.54 | daemonkeeper | thewanderer1: Guess so. I'd assume it is no more than a open(2)/close(2) syscall |
| 00:20.56 | thewanderer1 | Vorbote: they use the same KIO module... |
| 00:21.02 | themill | babilen: ;) |
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| 00:21.34 | antivirtel | and I use SSH2 for updates, sshd_config doesn't contain any umask settings, unlike proftpd :) |
| 00:21.41 | Vorbote | thewanderer1: then it is a nasty bug. In my experience, lftp is a really nice shell for sftp, it hides the ugliness... |
| 00:21.44 | thewanderer1 | daemonkeeper: I need this because currently my system is allowing open and close syscalls, but is denying "linking" by sftp |
| 00:22.06 | thewanderer1 | Vorbote: err what bug? |
| 00:22.19 | debiantonio | jetole: see kernel command --> uname -a |
| 00:22.27 | jetole | babilen: I setup /dev/sda1 as boot @ 512MB finishing the partition on sector 63. I then setup sda2 and sdb1 to both start at sector 64 to the end (identical disks). I then setup raid 0 in the two identically sized partitions on the identical disks. I then created a crypt partition on the md0/raid partition, I then created LVM on the crypt partition. I then created /, /var and /home on the vg/lvs' and installed. When I was done, grub-installer gave me no ... |
| 00:22.32 | Vorbote | antivirtel: set the user umask in its account shell files. .bashrc? |
| 00:22.33 | jetole | ... such disk errors. This seems to be a known issue with grub-installer on debian as far as I can tell after some googling involving grub-installer and lvm so I'm not telling you anything new. It's kinda known that grub-installer is broken on debian testing atm |
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| 00:22.42 | KB1JWQ | Vorbote: What ugliness? It's clean and "just works." |
| 00:22.43 | daemonkeeper | thewanderer1: I guess you can't do that much against, except replacing the sub system my a more appropriate one for you, if you are allowed to. |
| 00:22.44 | stuckey | !flash in lenny |
| 00:23.01 | antivirtel | Vorbote ok, I look for it, and I set them bash instead of SH. |
| 00:23.02 | Vorbote | thewanderer1: copying files and leave them with an extra extension. |
| 00:23.02 | jetole | debiantonio: cool but I don't have any OS installed on the workstation at the moment and I am familiar with uname |
| 00:23.18 | jetole | debiantonio: though I wouldn't call it a "kernel command" |
| 00:23.27 | debiantonio | jetole: ok |
| 00:23.27 | Vorbote | antivirtel: you can use sh too, just set the umask to 002 |
| 00:23.31 | thewanderer1 | Vorbote: it's been doing that for years, and it has worked so far... the problem is with my local config |
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| 00:23.52 | antivirtel | Vorbote sh uses .bashrc? |
| 00:24.07 | stuckey | Is there no flash in lenny? |
| 00:24.08 | thewanderer1 | daemonkeeper: what I seek to discover is how sftp handles "file move" - then I can allow this operation |
| 00:24.09 | stuckey | !flash |
| 00:24.09 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 00:24.12 | Vorbote | antivirtel: no. It reads .profile |
| 00:24.24 | thewanderer1 | stuckey: you need to use backports to get Adobe Flash |
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| 00:24.57 | daemonkeeper | thewanderer1: rename(2) I'd assume |
| 00:25.02 | stuckey | 546kB/s |
| 00:25.09 | antivirtel | Vorbote ok, I look for it, thanks |
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| 00:25.16 | stuckey | improvement over 4000B/s? |
| 00:25.38 | Vorbote | KB1JWQ: try to do a glob copy or a mirror copy with plain sftp. Of course a graphical client hides the ugliness, but it is there. |
| 00:26.14 | KB1JWQ | I'd use rsync. :-) |
| 00:26.25 | babilen | jetole: Ok, I have almost the same setup modulo the RAID. Why do setup a RAID on a single disk? |
| 00:26.27 | Vorbote | KB1JWQ: agreed. |
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| 00:26.46 | babilen | jetole: Ah, you have two disks -- sorry misread that |
| 00:26.48 | jetole | babilen: btw, it's a shame, I want testing since I was looking forward to a rolling release and I am also familiar with ext4 too on other OS's |
| 00:27.38 | jetole | babilen: yeah I am looking for the speed increase on the two disks. They used to be a similar setup on ubuntu except with RAID 1 but they are new disks so I am going with raid 0 while I install debian |
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| 00:28.22 | Vorbote | jetole: what installer cd do you have there? |
| 00:28.25 | thewanderer1 | daemonkeeper: well, looks like Dolphin doesn't quite use 'rename', but creates a hardlink to the file and removes the old file afterwards... strange |
| 00:28.44 | jetole | Vorbote: weekly (3 days old) and 5.07 stable |
| 00:29.04 | daemonkeeper | thewanderer1: Which is the same, technically speaking. |
| 00:29.05 | jetole | 5.07 and testing are both CD 1 full (not netinst or business card or anything) |
| 00:29.13 | babilen | jetole: i'm out for a smoke, brb |
| 00:29.24 | thewanderer1 | daemonkeeper: yes, but the system denies hardlinking, and allows for rename() |
| 00:29.31 | jetole | babilen: good idea. I will be doing the same when I am done eating dinner at my desk ;) |
| 00:29.51 | daemonkeeper | thewanderer1: Although I do not suspect, not sftp-server to do that. See, sftp is standardized compared to scp for example. |
| 00:30.05 | daemonkeeper | not suspect Dolphin |
| 00:30.13 | daemonkeeper | but sftp |
| 00:30.15 | daemonkeeper | that way |
| 00:30.17 | thewanderer1 | hmm... |
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| 00:31.22 | daemonkeeper | That is, you communicate to a sub system behaing in a standard way, e.g. similar to FTP's GET/PUT. How this is implemented the server side takes care |
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| 00:31.47 | stuckey | HOW do I stop the X server? |
| 00:31.49 | thewanderer1 | daemonkeeper: yes... I can not find anything about hard links in sftp, though |
| 00:32.16 | Vorbote | jetole: Hmmm... There is a trick you can try. At the cd boot prompt, edit the syslinux entry and add debconf/priority=medium It should geve you access to a more chatty installation with the opportunity to set your sources to the network and choose the testing distribution. |
| 00:32.28 | daemonkeeper | thewanderer1: The corresponding syscall would be link(2) |
| 00:32.40 | stuckey | !stop x |
| 00:32.40 | dpkg | '/etc/init.d/?dm stop' where ?dm is xdm, kdm, gdm, slim, or ?dm. Also ask me about <restart x>. |
| 00:32.49 | stuckey | doesn't work |
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| 00:33.10 | antivirtel | Vorbote it works with a normal ssh login, but I think WP skips reading the .bashrc file :( what can I do? may I edit the default bashrc file? |
| 00:33.14 | jetole | Vorbote: I have no issues installing testing since it's a weekly release, it's testing by default afaik. The issue is that grub-installer is broken in testing |
| 00:33.28 | stuckey | !how to stop x |
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| 00:33.41 | stuckey | you'd think the nvidia install guide would list a step as a step instead of ignorning it |
| 00:33.55 | stuckey | no one here knows? |
| 00:33.58 | Vorbote | thanks $DEITY for running Sid. |
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| 00:34.45 | thewanderer1 | daemonkeeper: yeah... but how Dolphin issues hardlinking via SFTP is beyond me |
| 00:34.49 | jetole | stuckey: how to stop X? change to tty1 or tty2 or any tty, login as root and run /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 00:34.54 | stuckey | thewanderer1: how do I stop the x server? |
| 00:35.09 | stuckey | jetole: that doesn't work -- when I then try X -configure it says x server is running. |
| 00:35.13 | Vorbote | antivirtel: yes, because it is a non-interactive login. Place the settings in .profile and it should work. |
| 00:35.22 | daemonkeeper | thewanderer1: Verify it. Use sftp from command line and look if you encounter the same problem |
| 00:35.37 | thewanderer1 | daemonkeeper: doesn't offer hard link command |
| 00:35.41 | antivirtel | Vorbote I try it, thanks |
| 00:35.42 | jetole | it shouldn't but do that first then run: ps -A -o pid,cmd | grep X |
| 00:35.48 | thewanderer1 | stuckey: killall X |
| 00:35.52 | daemonkeeper | thewanderer1: but to rename a file |
| 00:35.56 | jetole | find the pid and run: kill <pid> |
| 00:35.59 | thewanderer1 | daemonkeeper: it works |
| 00:36.07 | jetole | look at ps again and if it's still running then run: kill -9 pid |
| 00:36.12 | thewanderer1 | daemonkeeper: but it's not the same as Dolphin does, apparently |
| 00:36.14 | jetole | thats all @ stuckey |
| 00:36.44 | daemonkeeper | thewanderer1: Ok, so we are a step further. You might take a look into the KIO slave then |
| 00:36.59 | jetole | though to be honest, I don't configure X like that but I have had to stop it here and there in the past and /etc/init.d/gdm stop has always worked |
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| 00:37.47 | jetole | stuckey: instead of using auto detection like that and hoping for the best from the bot(auto config script), maybe instead try RTFM xorg.conf |
| 00:37.52 | stuckey_ | It just restarts itself. |
| 00:38.24 | jetole | stuckey: try: init 1 |
| 00:38.29 | antivirtel | Vorbote .profile contains "umask 002" and the problem is sill here :( |
| 00:38.51 | stuckey_ | jetole: i'm sorry? |
| 00:39.07 | antivirtel | *still |
| 00:39.09 | jetole | antivirtel: I didn't read your whole post nor will I (since I am busy) but try adding the umask clause to .bashrc too. hope that helps |
| 00:39.13 | jetole | stuckey_: init 1 |
| 00:39.17 | babilen | jetole: Do you know if that bug has been reported? Could you try installing again and check what is wrong by booting a live disk (grml for example) |
| 00:39.19 | GinTonicool | what's the problem buddy ? |
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| 00:39.52 | stuckey_ | jetole: In it one? What does that mean? |
| 00:39.58 | jetole | babilen: I saw it last night while googling around and think I saw it in a few repeat bugs / same issue posted by different people to the bug tracker |
| 00:40.08 | jetole | stuckey_: run: init 1 |
| 00:40.14 | stuckey_ | jetole: how do I do that? |
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| 00:40.33 | jetole | type I, N, I, T, space, 1, <enter> |
| 00:40.37 | jetole | all lowercase |
| 00:40.42 | jetole | goes for a smoke. bbiab |
| 00:40.43 | stuckey_ | jetole: inside or outside of x? |
| 00:40.49 | jetole | stuckey_: either or |
| 00:41.02 | jetole | run it as root. If you do it inside of X then you should see it close |
| 00:41.09 | jetole | bbiab |
| 00:41.26 | antivirtel | jetole WP logs in for execute one command, I think, I use its auto update via SSH2; Vorbote throught that it is not an interactive login, so .bashrc & .profile doesn't work for me |
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| 00:45.34 | stuckey | hi |
| 00:45.43 | stuckey | would someone please tell me how I can STOP X server? |
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| 00:46.00 | stuckey | And before someone says /etc/init.d/gdm stop -- it isn't working for me on lenny. |
| 00:46.00 | dvs | stuckey: /etc/init.d/?gm stop |
| 00:46.27 | dvs | stuckey: is there even a /etc/init.d/gdm file? |
| 00:46.38 | stuckey | Yes but it doesn't stop X. |
| 00:46.59 | dvs | then there is something very wrong. |
| 00:47.42 | Vorbote | stuckey: /etc/init.d/x11-common stop kill the X server. |
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| 00:48.20 | Vorbote | stuckey: or at least tries to clean up. |
| 00:48.50 | Bushmills | how did you start X? |
| 00:48.59 | jetole | antivirtel: RTFM bash(1) |
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| 00:49.24 | antivirtel | jetole :D |
| 00:49.26 | antivirtel | ok |
| 00:49.48 | jetole | babilen: I'm gonna retry the testing CD now and see if I can take another poke at the error. From what I remember last night, had something to do with device-map |
| 00:49.53 | jetole | *device.map |
| 00:50.58 | babilen | jetole: great, thank you. Try debian-installer rc1 -- I hope that you don't run into this error now ... but still |
| 00:51.41 | capitan | rcS.d scripts come before the runlevel scripts in the current runlevel unconditionally right? |
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| 00:52.06 | jetole | babilen: well I'm at the office and my blank CD are at home. These dell stations seem to shit bricks when you try to boot from a bootable USB stick despite it's a BIOS option |
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| 00:52.31 | jetole | babilen: my 01/12/11 daily or weekly or whatever it is, is that too old already? |
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| 00:53.06 | jdag | which file determines my default window manager? i've been googling for a while but when i look for the files other people are talking about i don't have them |
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| 00:53.41 | babilen | jetole: Hmm, that should basically be rc1 (has been released on the 12th) |
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| 00:54.13 | babilen | jdag: update-alternatives + x-window-manager |
| 00:54.15 | apineda | I made a boo boo |
| 00:54.22 | jetole | babilen: then let me give you some more info when I have it |
| 00:54.47 | apineda | I went to System > Admin > Network and changed my host name and domain name to cool names |
| 00:54.50 | apineda | now my sound doesnt work :( |
| 00:55.22 | thewanderer1 | alright, this is a problem with libsftp2-1... apparently sftp_rename results in an attempt to create a hardlink on the server side |
| 00:55.23 | jdag | is it an either/or, or i need to match both or it will cause errors |
| 00:55.35 | jetole | apineda: lol |
| 00:55.55 | babilen | apineda: hahahaha ;-) |
| 00:55.59 | apineda | lol ::::::::::::::: |
| 00:56.02 | apineda | why am i crying? |
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| 00:56.12 | apineda | :( |
| 00:56.20 | apineda | seriously help meeeee |
| 00:56.29 | jdag | babilen: is it an either/or, or i need to match both or it will cause errors |
| 00:56.43 | apineda | please |
| 00:57.01 | babilen | jdag: Not, that is, for example, "update-alternatives --list x-window-manager" (see man update-alternatives for other commands) |
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| 00:58.53 | jetole | babilen: doing the partition formatting now. This exact config works fine in 5.07 and to the best of my knowledge everything is installed fine until we get to grub-installer at the end |
| 00:59.40 | jetole | babilen: one more thing. During the setup when it asks me to setup apt on a mirror and then downloads 1000+ files, can I skip this and complete it when the OS is installed and if so, do you know how? |
| 00:59.55 | jetole | take a lot more time to install when I select that |
| 01:00.16 | Vorbote | apineda: reboot the crate and all be back to normal. |
| 01:01.00 | jetole | oh that reminds me, @ stuck, another way to stop X is to run the command: poweroff |
| 01:01.07 | thewanderer1 | hey. if I allow creating hard links on my system, what do I risk, technically? |
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| 01:01.22 | thewanderer1 | (right now, nobody can create hard links) |
| 01:01.22 | geekbri | thewanderer1: the real question is, what do you want hard links for? |
| 01:01.58 | thewanderer1 | geekbri: libssh-2, used by many SFTP clients, requires hard links for rename operation, which is implemented: link to new name, remove old link |
| 01:02.20 | Vorbote | The question is, what kind of medication was on the developer who wrote libssh-2. |
| 01:02.21 | thewanderer1 | so my SFTP server fails at moving files when clients use libssh-2, and most graphical ones do |
| 01:02.29 | jetole | Does anyone know how, when installing debian and it asks you to configure a network mirror, how you can say no, and then do so after you are finished installing? I'm at this step as of now whuke trying to troubleshoot an installer issue and I don't want to have to wait that long while trying to troubleshoot the installer |
| 01:02.39 | geekbri | thewanderer1: well i guess thats reason enough to enable it.... |
| 01:02.52 | thewanderer1 | geekbri: sure, but I was asking about security implications |
| 01:03.03 | thewanderer1 | or other risks in general |
| 01:03.12 | babilen | apineda: http://www.debianadmin.com/change-hostname-or-server-name-of-a-linux-machine.html + make sure that the old name is not around in /etc/ anymore (e.g. grep -re "THE_OLD_NAME" /etc/) -- or just switch back to the old one. Am getting tired, more support has to wait or be handled by someone else |
| 01:03.16 | Vorbote | jetole: hit the cancel button and it will drop you in the installer's main menu. |
| 01:03.38 | jetole | Vorbote: there is no cancel button and I don't want to be dropped into the installers main menu |
| 01:03.55 | jetole | I want to select "no" and have it skip it then reconfigure it later |
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| 01:04.15 | thewanderer1 | jetole: you can always manually edit sources.list |
| 01:04.18 | Vorbote | jetole: no is the cancel button, as far as I remember. |
| 01:04.25 | jetole | Vorbote: pl |
| 01:04.30 | jetole | * Vorbote: ok |
| 01:04.31 | babilen | jetole: If you don't select a mirror and task you'll install a minimal system. (canceling the selection) |
| 01:04.46 | babilen | jetole: You probably also want the "expert" install |
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| 01:05.04 | jetole | babilen: well I guess good enough for now. I can reinstall later if I get this grub-installer issue resolved |
| 01:05.18 | babilen | sure |
| 01:05.29 | stuckey | Using lenny -- I attach a USB camera (turned on) and there comes upon the screen "Camera attached -- what do" and I click "Import Photos" and ... nothing happens. |
| 01:05.36 | babilen | jetole: which fs do you use for /boot? |
| 01:05.43 | Vorbote | jetole: and the installer disk has a rescue mode as well... |
| 01:05.57 | jetole | babilen: usually ext2 but thats the only partition that I use ext2 on |
| 01:07.37 | stuckey | anyone have an answer for that? |
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| 01:09.48 | babilen | stuckey: IIRC you can configure what is going to happen in some gnome-control-center something -- do you have something like snapshot or f-spot installed? |
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| 01:10.13 | stuckey | babilen: i haven't installed anything like that. |
| 01:10.27 | babilen | jetole: Ok, that is a sane choice and shouldn't cause any problem. |
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| 01:10.53 | babilen | stuckey: You might want to. |
| 01:11.16 | babilen | stuckey: s/snapshot/shotwell |
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| 01:11.33 | stuckey | babilen: after apt finishes getting data from the incredibly speedy backports.debian.org, I'll install something like that. |
| 01:11.53 | stuckey | babilen: what? |
| 01:12.00 | jetole | babilen: afaik ext3 is also a sane choice but not sure on that one. What do you think should be the prefered filesystem for /boot |
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| 01:12.33 | lapfrog | hi do you guys know what imap server gmail uses and used a few years back? |
| 01:12.35 | stuckey | oh, understand. |
| 01:13.29 | jetole | lapfrog: I don't but afaik it's not one you can download. I think it's courier based though maybe dovecot but, afaik, it's been very very heavily modified |
| 01:14.08 | lapfrog | yes i understand that it might have been modified but they had to start somewhere. i'll lookup dovecot, though |
| 01:14.18 | ta2 | Hi, I have 4 drives and I want to create an encrypted RAID5 array. I am in the squeeze installation at the moment and I can choose either "Configure software RAID" or "Configure the LVM". Which should I choose? What is an LVM group for? |
| 01:14.34 | jetole | lapfrog: IIRC, google uses postfix for SMTP but same as IMAP, it's been recoded pretty thoroughly |
| 01:14.47 | babilen | jetole: I typically use ext2 as well ... who needs journaling on /boot? |
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| 01:15.24 | jetole | babilen: I'm sure someone does but good point because I'm not that someone ;) |
| 01:15.25 | babilen | stuckey: s/snapshot/shotwell -- the program i was thinking of is named "shotwell" not "snapshot" |
| 01:15.43 | thewanderer1 | babilen: not using journalling on /boot + power failure when upgrading kernels == you're toast :D |
| 01:15.43 | stuckey | babilen: one of these is installed by default in squeeze? |
| 01:15.52 | stuckey | I seem to remember that on squeeze you don't have to install anything to import photots. |
| 01:15.58 | babilen | stuckey: very few programs are installed by default |
| 01:16.24 | stuckey | shouldn't even say stuff when the camera is attached, |
| 01:16.38 | jetole | Anyone know what aspartame is? The actual chemical, has nothing do with debian |
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| 01:17.51 | thewanderer1 | jetole: a sweetening substance, used as a sugar replacement... in huge doses, said to be harmful. a very strange place to ask, though. you might want to try other channels :P |
| 01:18.14 | jhutchins_lt | jetole: Yes, and this is Debian support. At the very least, ask in #debian-offtopic. (I suspect you should ask in #who-gives-a-crap.) |
| 01:18.23 | jetole | long story short, it's sweet and low. The sugar alternative thats worse for you then sugar but I actually developed an alergy to it a few years ago and while I was trying to buy a pack of gum at 7-11 tonight, I spent 10 minutes reading the ingredients on every pack of gum and couldn't find one that didn't have that crap in it |
| 01:19.06 | jhutchins_lt | As i suspected. |
| 01:19.14 | jetole | thewanderer1 and jhutchins_lt: Well I didn't know we couldn't mention something casual off topic. I mean I wasn't asking for ubuntu support or netfilter / iptables rules |
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| 01:19.33 | jhutchins_lt | Or mint. |
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| 01:19.42 | geekbri | thewanderer1: ive been googling and i can't find any hardlink specific security risks that arent bugs in software |
| 01:19.43 | jetole | buracracy at it's finest gentleman |
| 01:19.49 | thewanderer1 | geekbri: good |
| 01:20.19 | geekbri | thewanderer1: could using something like selinux protect you as well though? my experience with said software is limited so im not really qualified to answer my own question. |
| 01:20.47 | jetole | This install seemed to be going fast up until the mirror selection and even though I didn't select to configure a mirror for apt, it seems like it's taken forever from that point on |
| 01:21.10 | jetole | *taking |
| 01:21.22 | thewanderer1 | geekbri: I'm running grsecurity and had to allow hardlinks explicitly for sftp to work properly :P |
| 01:21.48 | geekbri | thewanderer1: solution, disallow all users to even login or use software :) |
| 01:22.00 | jetole | thewanderer1: what is the security concern with hardlinks that grsecurity is trying to protect against? |
| 01:22.03 | thewanderer1 | geekbri: this is hardly useful :D |
| 01:22.23 | geekbri | thewanderer1: ohh.. you want your systems to be useful AND secure... silly me ;) |
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| 01:22.40 | thewanderer1 | geekbri: see, I'm not putting them offline... yet |
| 01:22.57 | thewanderer1 | jetole: "user modifies hardlink metadata and is then free to do with the /etc/passwd inode whatever he wishes" |
| 01:23.56 | jetole | thewanderer1: for example a user can create a hardlink to /etc/passwd and then change the metadata to allow for different permissions? |
| 01:24.15 | thewanderer1 | jetole: I've just figured out this is not possible, for hardlink points to inode and inode stores the metadata... |
| 01:24.26 | thewanderer1 | so without overriding DAC this should not be possible... |
| 01:24.27 | jetole | babilen: finally at the grub boot loader part. Waiting for it to fetch the file |
| 01:24.32 | thewanderer1 | but another thing is funny |
| 01:24.44 | thewanderer1 | when I create a hard link to a file owned by root, I can not delete it :D |
| 01:25.25 | thewanderer1 | doing this in /tmp - probably because /tmp has the sticky bit set and I don't own the inode? |
| 01:25.33 | jetole | thewanderer1: well I know hardlinks used the same permissions that first file did and I assumed they were linked at the inode but I thought you were saying there was some way to override or change that from a hardlink |
| 01:25.51 | thewanderer1 | jetole: that's what I was trying to find out and mitigate |
| 01:26.07 | jetole | thewanderer1: so I'm still wondering what the security concern of a hard link is. Maybe related to a race condition? |
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| 01:27.06 | thewanderer1 | jetole: they were disallowed on my system by default, so I thought there was a good reason :P |
| 01:27.49 | jetole | babilen: ok, got to the grub error in the 01/12/11 testing CD related to the broken grub-installer. I'm using the text interface to install and have a pop up which says "Unable to install GRUB in /dev/sda\n Executing 'grub-install[ /dev/sda failed.\n This is a fatal error." |
| 01:28.02 | jetole | babilen: lemme switch to a tty and get more info from the syslog |
| 01:28.46 | jetole | thewanderer1: I believe there may be. I'm asking cause I want to know what that reason is but I will worry about it another day if you don't know and I am too busy to look into it myself right now |
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| 01:29.24 | thewanderer1 | hm ok, perhaps I'm paranoid :D |
| 01:29.32 | jetole | crap. Even from within the installer CD, syslog is too long to run cat on |
| 01:29.49 | jetole | thewanderer1: it's only paranoia if they're not really out to get you |
| 01:29.52 | jetole | ;) |
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| 01:31.07 | jetole | Does anyone know how I can install commands from within the installation CD. I changed to a tty and there is no apt-get. I kinda would like to use less or preferably vim which aren't available on the install CD either |
| 01:31.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | erm, no apt-get? |
| 01:31.51 | jdag | babilen can i pm you ? |
| 01:31.53 | thewanderer1 | jetole: do you intend to install programs on the target (installed) system, or in the d-i environment? |
| 01:31.58 | jetole | Kamping_Kaiser: no. Not inside the actual install CD. As in I am doing an install right now and changed to a tty |
| 01:32.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | jetole: ooh, right. |
| 01:32.43 | jetole | thewanderer1: yes but right now I am trying to troubleshoot a error on the install and babilen was also asking for info on it. This is rc1 of the next release |
| 01:33.00 | jdag | anyone i can pm with to understand this update-alternatives function ? im trying to change my default window manager |
| 01:33.02 | jetole | grub-installer failing to be specific |
| 01:33.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | jetole: you on iso hybrids? |
| 01:34.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | jdag: i don't see your question in scroll back, could you rrepeat it for me? |
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| 01:34.35 | jetole | babilen: Running chroot /target grub-install --no-floppy --force "/dev/sda", "/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no such disk", "Auto-detection of a filesystem of /dev/mapper/vg1-root failed." |
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| 01:34.52 | jetole | Kamping_Kaiser: no I am on the weekly release CD1 dated 01/12/11 |
| 01:35.07 | jdag | well was just trying to find how to change my default window manager and someone told me about update-alternatives but i tried following the manual and am having issues, i think i just am now following the understanding of it. im new =] |
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| 01:35.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | jdag: what did you run? |
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| 01:36.09 | stuckey | which packages was I supposed to install for usb camera photo import to work? |
| 01:36.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | jetole: ok. do you have fdisk? (the installer environment is a busybox) |
| 01:36.16 | stuckey | sellshot? |
| 01:36.18 | babilen | jetole: hei, the bed looks enticing. i'll be back tomorrow. |
| 01:36.22 | babilen | stuckey: shotwell |
| 01:36.27 | stuckey | wow, way off |
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| 01:36.38 | babilen | stuckey: but there are a bunch of others too ... |
| 01:36.45 | stuckey | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "shotwell" |
| 01:37.10 | babilen | stuckey: ,versions shotwell |
| 01:37.21 | stuckey | judd: versions shotwell |
| 01:37.23 | judd | Package shotwell on i386 -- sid: 0.6.1-1+b2; squeeze: 0.6.1-1+b2; experimental: 0.8.0-1 |
| 01:37.32 | babilen | gah! /me is tired. Good night! |
| 01:37.59 | babilen | stuckey: There is also f-spot and a bunch of other photo managers ... |
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| 01:39.02 | jetole | babilen: uh... k... thanks |
| 01:39.07 | stuckey | judd: versions fspot |
| 01:39.08 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'fspot' was found in i386. |
| 01:39.12 | stuckey | I need something that's in lenny. |
| 01:39.25 | thewanderer1 | ,versions f-spot |
| 01:39.27 | judd | Package f-spot on i386 -- etch: 0.2.1-1.1; lenny: 0.4.4-1; sid: 0.6.2-2; squeeze: 0.6.2-2; experimental: 0.8.2-1 |
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| 01:41.39 | stuckey | babilen: f-spot installed, still nothing when I click import photos. |
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| 01:42.02 | GJdan | someone wanna type aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd and tell me what score they get? >.< |
| 01:42.06 | jdag | kamping_kaiser i ran... update-alternatives --install usr/bin/startfluxbox startfluxbox /usr/bin/twm 9 |
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| 01:43.47 | stuckey | !import photos |
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| 01:44.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | jdag: try `sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager` |
| 01:44.41 | jdag | what do sudo do |
| 01:44.43 | jdag | does* |
| 01:44.46 | cast | is sudo a standard package now |
| 01:44.48 | cast | ;P |
| 01:45.00 | stuckey | how do I import photos? |
| 01:45.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | jdag: /etc/alternatives lists the names of all user facing alternatives |
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| 01:45.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | jdag: check its man page, if its not installed you'll have to run the command as root |
| 01:46.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | afk for a while |
| 01:48.32 | stuckey | what is a good photo manager? |
| 01:48.41 | thewanderer1 | for GNOME or what? |
| 01:49.05 | thewanderer1 | I use digiKam personally, for KDE it's perfect... and doesn't need mono, unlike f-spot :P |
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| 01:50.34 | Matias_ | Hello! |
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| 02:12.22 | juniorsa | Hi, I am migrating from a debian lenny system to a vmware system, my deb system has raid 1 disks, vmware converter can't convert md raid1 disks, is there an easy way to convert from raid1 back to normal disks? |
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| 02:13.22 | cast | dd, dmsetup linear, |
| 02:13.37 | cast | but we don't support vmware :( |
| 02:14.00 | cast | AFAIK there isn't a vmware port |
| 02:14.27 | juniorsa | cast : is there a howto ? dd -- convert raid1 to no raid? |
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| 02:15.14 | cast | i can tell you how to do things with xen, kvm, or uml |
| 02:15.38 | juniorsa | cast: but just how do I remove the raid1? |
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| 02:34.07 | LoneShadow | Hi, I just installed Debian as Guest OS on top of Xen. For some reason lspci utils were not installed by default. After installing the pciutils, lspci O/P is empty. Anyone have any idea why it would be empty? |
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| 03:03.54 | piatkosia | Hi |
| 03:04.01 | piatkosia | I have some problem |
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| 03:04.40 | piatkosia | ;( |
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| 03:13.51 | cesurasean | Can someone assist me in resizing my mdmadm raid1 config to .60 gig smaller size? |
| 03:14.05 | cesurasean | I really need help with this, and haven't gotten far. |
| 03:14.16 | cesurasean | Help a brotha out? |
| 03:14.38 | nevyn | are you using lvm on the raid ? |
| 03:14.43 | cesurasean | no |
| 03:15.06 | nevyn | cesurasean: is there live data on the raid? |
| 03:15.26 | cesurasean | no |
| 03:15.36 | cesurasean | ive booted into a live debian cd |
| 03:15.50 | nevyn | so just blow it away and recreate it. |
| 03:15.52 | cesurasean | is that the proper way to edit the mdadm config? |
| 03:15.57 | cesurasean | well, there is data on it |
| 03:16.02 | cesurasean | I don't want to blow it away. |
| 03:16.16 | nevyn | so first step is to shrink the filesystem. |
| 03:16.20 | cesurasean | yep |
| 03:16.24 | nevyn | before you touch the mdadm. |
| 03:16.32 | cesurasean | oh? |
| 03:16.38 | cesurasean | so can i use gparted to shrink it? |
| 03:16.42 | cesurasean | then go back and edit mdadm? |
| 03:16.56 | nevyn | gparted if you want or ext3resize or whatever. |
| 03:17.12 | cesurasean | ok |
| 03:17.20 | cesurasean | after i do that, how do i edit mdadm? |
| 03:17.22 | nevyn | the filesystem has to be shrunk before you resize the MD |
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| 03:17.40 | cesurasean | nevyn, thank you for your help brother. i was waiting around for soemone who knew more of what to do in this case. |
| 03:18.00 | dromer | *upload.py-- |
| 03:18.01 | cesurasean | nevyn, ill go resize now, and then come back. or you can just tell me what to do next... |
| 03:18.06 | dromer | oops, wrong chan ;) |
| 03:18.12 | nevyn | makeing filesystems smaller is kinda terifying still in my world. but the technology does seem to mostly work. |
| 03:18.30 | cesurasean | even .60 of a gig? |
| 03:18.42 | cesurasean | doesn't linux write to the fire part of the drive, anyhow? |
| 03:18.46 | cesurasean | first* |
| 03:19.06 | nevyn | you have no idea how the filesystem actually laid the data on the disk. |
| 03:19.22 | nevyn | which is why you have to shrink the filesystem before you take the blocks at the end of the filesystem away from it. |
| 03:19.27 | cesurasean | ok, so what would be the best way to clone this machine back? |
| 03:19.51 | cesurasean | will shrinking remove data? |
| 03:19.58 | cesurasean | I don't want to lose anything! |
| 03:20.20 | nevyn | http://www.linuxinfor.com/english/EVMS/rmactiveraid.html |
| 03:20.24 | zinx | you can lose data if something goes wrong, or you blindly truncate the partition without actually shrinking it |
| 03:20.35 | nevyn | well there's no partition.. |
| 03:20.39 | nevyn | which is part of the problem. |
| 03:20.58 | cesurasean | yes there is |
| 03:21.02 | cesurasean | i have a working system |
| 03:21.03 | nevyn | I'd be a lot more confident about this if you had LVM between your filesystem and the MD |
| 03:21.04 | zinx | yeah, that's a bit more tricky. |
| 03:21.18 | zinx | shrinking/growing raid, from what i've seen, tends to involve having another array to copy the data to. |
| 03:21.21 | cesurasean | it's a working squeeze system with 1 drive |
| 03:21.23 | nevyn | because I fundamentally trust lvm to deallocate blocks from the right place. |
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| 03:21.30 | cesurasean | trying to add a 2nd, but it's slightly smaller |
| 03:21.43 | zinx | unless it's raid0 |
| 03:21.50 | nevyn | cesurasean: so I'd do that this way. |
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| 03:22.05 | nevyn | make a new degraded array using the new disk. |
| 03:22.13 | nevyn | copy the data over. |
| 03:22.19 | nevyn | then add the first disk to the 2nd disk. |
| 03:22.34 | cesurasean | how do i copy the data over? |
| 03:22.41 | cesurasean | with permissions and everything in tact? |
| 03:22.52 | nevyn | using a livecd... |
| 03:23.02 | nevyn | mkdir /original |
| 03:23.04 | nevyn | mkdir /new |
| 03:23.09 | nevyn | mount both disks |
| 03:23.10 | nevyn | cp... |
| 03:23.21 | nevyn | the only trick is getting the bootloader right. |
| 03:23.34 | cesurasean | ehh |
| 03:23.51 | cesurasean | sounds like i should just use gparted to shrink the current filesystem, then, somehow edit mdadm? |
| 03:24.06 | nevyn | that is the other option. |
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| 03:25.38 | nevyn | cesurasean: so shrink your filesystem by 2gig... |
| 03:25.54 | nevyn | then shrink the md by 1gig ... |
| 03:26.01 | nevyn | then add the new disk. |
| 03:26.11 | nevyn | http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-resize-raid-partitions-shrink-and-grow-software-raid |
| 03:26.17 | nevyn | has a process for doing this |
| 03:27.35 | cesurasean | ive already tried to follow that tutorial |
| 03:27.37 | cesurasean | no success |
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| 03:28.41 | nevyn | where does it fail for you? |
| 03:28.59 | cesurasean | i don't understand when i need chroot, etc |
| 03:29.11 | cesurasean | i'll try it in a minute, and ill see if you can follow along |
| 03:29.19 | cesurasean | give me a moment |
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| 03:30.49 | Accelerator | I'm following the instructions exactly as given, but it's not installing anything. |
| 03:31.02 | Accelerator | bash: mono: command not found |
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| 03:34.11 | cesurasean | nevyn, from the start, what do i need to do? |
| 03:34.20 | cesurasean | can i go ahead and use gparted? |
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| 03:38.44 | cesurasean | nevyn, you there do0d? |
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| 03:41.36 | cesurasean | where'd you go? i said i'd be back in a minute! wtf? |
| 03:42.23 | nevyn | hrm |
| 03:42.26 | nevyn | sorry distracted. |
| 03:42.50 | cesurasean | Can I go ahead and use gparted to resize the partition? |
| 03:43.19 | nevyn | have you shrunk the filesystem? |
| 03:43.21 | nevyn | do that first. |
| 03:43.38 | cesurasean | you mean this? - http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-resize-raid-partitions-shrink-and-grow-software-raid |
| 03:43.43 | nevyn | yeah |
| 03:43.55 | nevyn | so you're using a live CD right? |
| 03:43.57 | cesurasean | ok do i need to be chrooted into the system to do that? |
| 03:44.03 | nevyn | no. |
| 03:44.17 | cesurasean | then how do i access the mdadm.conf |
| 03:44.18 | cesurasean | ? |
| 03:44.47 | nevyn | ok is this filesystem the root filesystem or not? |
| 03:45.03 | nevyn | cause if it's not the root filesystem you don't need a livecd and things get a little simpler. |
| 03:45.05 | cesurasean | yes |
| 03:45.14 | nevyn | it is. well bummer. |
| 03:45.28 | nevyn | so mount the filesystem |
| 03:45.38 | cesurasean | ive booted up the live cd, and ive mounted the filesystem |
| 03:45.41 | nevyn | ok. |
| 03:45.43 | cesurasean | to /mnt/hda |
| 03:45.46 | nevyn | unmount the filesystem |
| 03:45.53 | nevyn | umm /mnt/hda... |
| 03:46.00 | nevyn | it should be /mnt/md0 |
| 03:46.11 | cesurasean | ah |
| 03:46.15 | cesurasean | ok hold on |
| 03:46.24 | nevyn | if you tupe mount.. make sure that it's mounting /dev/md0 not /dev/hda1 |
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| 03:47.03 | cesurasean | says device is busy |
| 03:47.16 | klync | what would people say is the most lightweight webserver for running a php app? |
| 03:47.32 | cesurasean | i tried umount /dev/hda |
| 03:47.37 | cesurasean | and umount /mnt/hda |
| 03:48.23 | cesurasean | ok im booting up the system again with a fresh live cd |
| 03:48.29 | cesurasean | can you tell me what i need to mount? |
| 03:48.41 | debian_newb | Trying to install Debian 5.0.7 from CD1, the Installer hangs at "Detecting Network Hardware". I've got a PCI Wifi card with the Atheros chipset... what to do? |
| 03:49.27 | cesurasean | mount /dev/md0 /mnt/md0 ??? |
| 03:49.40 | cesurasean | is that correct? |
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| 03:50.58 | simonrvn | klync: nginx or lighttpd. both will run php as fcgi. |
| 03:51.07 | cesurasean | nevyn, ? |
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| 03:51.21 | cesurasean | nevyn, what do i need to mount? |
| 03:53.59 | klync | simonrvn: thx |
| 03:54.04 | cesurasean | nevyn, i tried mounting /dev/md0 to /mnt/md0 and it won't work |
| 03:54.32 | simonrvn | thx? :P |
| 03:56.21 | cesurasean | can someone please help me out? |
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| 03:57.00 | cesurasean | im trying to follow this; http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-resize-raid-partitions-shrink-and-grow-software-raid ; but seems to have a hard time understand when , or if to mount or chroot my hard drives. the tutorial doesn't really say! |
| 03:57.09 | nevyn | ok. |
| 03:57.16 | nevyn | forget chrooting into your drive. |
| 03:57.34 | cesurasean | and just follow the instructions? |
| 03:57.48 | mushy1 | hello is there a way i can install a new ver. of distro from iso off harddrive? i am running netbook no drive or stick for boot, i could use apt to upgrade but i want a fresh upgrade im new |
| 03:57.52 | mushy1 | google is failing me |
| 03:58.30 | nevyn | do me a favor.. |
| 03:58.32 | mushy1 | did my question my sense? |
| 03:58.32 | cesurasean | it says Then activate your RAID arrays:, how do i do this? don't i have to be chrooted or something? |
| 03:58.35 | nevyn | reboot into the normal system. |
| 03:58.39 | nevyn | then run mount |
| 03:58.48 | nevyn | and put the output in pastebin.debian.net |
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| 03:59.02 | nevyn | paste.debian.net rather |
| 03:59.08 | cesurasean | run mount? |
| 03:59.24 | cesurasean | mount what exactly? |
| 03:59.32 | cesurasean | <-- rebooting into regular system |
| 03:59.35 | mushy1 | is my question so stupid i should not of asked it? |
| 03:59.35 | pdbogen | So, I have a system that stopped mounting an NFS share on boot. Can anyone give me some pointers? It has an ethernet connection, static IP address, so there shouldn't be a race condition or anything there. |
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| 03:59.42 | mushy1 | why cant i install a dang iso from hdd |
| 03:59.48 | mushy1 | it wants foreign media |
| 03:59.52 | mushy1 | fuck netbooks |
| 04:00.10 | nevyn | mushy1: you can't boot off USB? |
| 04:00.16 | nevyn | usually netbooks support that. |
| 04:00.16 | mushy1 | i have no usb |
| 04:00.17 | pdbogen | mushy1: One of the Debian install methods uses an ISO stored on a USB drive. |
| 04:00.22 | mushy1 | and usb jack broke |
| 04:00.33 | mushy1 | well its bent |
| 04:00.34 | mushy1 | anyway |
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| 04:00.45 | pdbogen | Heh. Well, you can probably install hd-media to a hard drive partition and the install to the rest of the drive. |
| 04:00.47 | nevyn | !rube goldberg install |
| 04:00.47 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 04:01.01 | mushy1 | can i not partition out a spot for iso, delete this partition and run a program to install iso |
| 04:01.09 | mushy1 | or maybe that method but backward |
| 04:01.18 | mushy1 | i just want a fresh install and newest version |
| 04:01.25 | nevyn | hrm debootstrap maybe. |
| 04:01.29 | cesurasean | nevyn, im in the regular system now..... |
| 04:01.34 | cesurasean | what do i do? |
| 04:01.36 | nevyn | cesurasean: run mount |
| 04:01.41 | pdbogen | mushy1: You should be able to slice of a partition, make it bootable, put hd-media on that along with an ISO, boot to it, and then install to the rest of the drive. |
| 04:01.42 | nevyn | put the result into paste.debian.net |
| 04:01.46 | nevyn | give me the url. |
| 04:02.04 | mushy1 | hd-media is in repo? |
| 04:02.10 | cesurasean | how do i pastebin the results? |
| 04:02.24 | pdbogen | mushy1: It's not a package, it's one of the installer methods. |
| 04:02.35 | mushy1 | pdbogon i will google what you are talking about thanks for the tip |
| 04:02.47 | nevyn | highlight... go to paste.debian.net then middle click/click both buttons to paste in the box. |
| 04:02.50 | pdbogen | doesn't know if that will actually work, but thinks it should. Otherwise, look into netbooting, if you have a second computer. |
| 04:03.14 | nevyn | netbooting is doable with some infrastructure. |
| 04:03.20 | mushy1 | oh pdbogen what am i making the mountable thee partition? |
| 04:03.20 | nevyn | you need dhcp and stuff tho. |
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| 04:03.48 | cesurasean | nevyn, lol i don't have a mouse on that computer. |
| 04:03.53 | pdbogen | mushy1: You'll have to make a partition that's like, say, 1GB, maybe 2GB, to hold the hd-media installer and an ISO, which will have to be bootable. I don't know. It's complex, not for the faint of heart. |
| 04:04.28 | mushy1 | so its worth trying twice |
| 04:04.31 | lakcaj | I have two machines on my network behind a router, a debian box and a windows box. I would like my wife on her windows box to be able to login to a graphical linux environment hosted from my debian machine and was looking for suggestions on the best way to accomplish this. |
| 04:04.31 | mushy1 | thanks for tip |
| 04:04.34 | nevyn | ssh to it and do it on your windows system. |
| 04:04.57 | cesurasean | true |
| 04:04.59 | cesurasean | lol |
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| 04:05.13 | mushy1 | my windows system is messed up which is why i am on a linux netbook |
| 04:05.14 | mushy1 | [= |
| 04:05.37 | mushy1 | atleast i can chats from bed |
| 04:05.54 | cesurasean | nevyn, http://paste.debian.net/104668/ |
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| 04:07.49 | unkmar | Help me to understand. |
| 04:08.03 | unkmar | I have constant access to my hdd. |
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| 04:08.33 | unkmar | yet, when I run from battery the drive activity stops to conserve power. |
| 04:08.43 | nevyn | cesurasean: looking |
| 04:08.58 | nevyn | right please reboot into a livecd. |
| 04:09.00 | cesurasean | ok |
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| 04:09.04 | unkmar | What is running that is bashing at my hdd so much? I can't extend its life but beating it to death. |
| 04:09.21 | unkmar | s/but/by/ |
| 04:09.46 | unkmar | is the journalling less active when on battery power? |
| 04:10.09 | cesurasean | nevyn, restarting machine into livecd. |
| 04:10.30 | mushy1 | i just copy the iso to usb i dont need to make it bootable special do i |
| 04:11.10 | cesurasean | nevyn, what now? |
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| 04:12.06 | Accelerator | Why is "libmono-winforms2.0-cil" listed on packages.debian.org but will not install through the actual repos? |
| 04:12.34 | cesurasean | nevyn, im counting on you brotha. what do i do next? |
| 04:12.37 | Accelerator | http://packages.debian.org/sid/libmono-winforms2.0-cil <- Here. |
| 04:12.50 | holstein | nevyn: o/ |
| 04:12.57 | Accelerator | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "libmono-winforms2.0-cli" <- Reality |
| 04:13.13 | SvenDSquueze | Hey everyone. Does anyone have a suggestion for a back up software to run on my home file server. I used areca on windows and liked it. I tried backupninja with rdiff, but the backed up files are not compressed. I would like to backup /etc and an attached usb disk to another usb hd. It should create a single compressed file + meta data and the tool should allow incremental backups. Do you have any suggestions? |
| 04:14.54 | cesurasean | fuck. no one can help me resize a mdadm array? |
| 04:15.15 | unkmar | I don't even know what a mdadm array is so. I guess I can't help. |
| 04:15.17 | unkmar | what is mdadm? |
| 04:15.28 | unkmar | looks like misspelled madam. |
| 04:15.38 | cesurasean | sorry |
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| 04:18.14 | Accelerator | E: Couldn't find package libmono-winforms2.0-cli <- Anyone? |
| 04:19.05 | cesurasean | apt-get install libmono-winforms2.0-cli? |
| 04:19.12 | SvenDSqueeze | Try libmono-winforms2.0-cil |
| 04:19.36 | cesurasean | No one can help a brotha out? |
| 04:20.01 | Accelerator | The following packages have unmet dependencies: libc6-i386: Breaks: ia32-libs (< 20090804) but 2.7+lenny1 is to be installed E: Broken packages |
| 04:20.12 | Accelerator | .. |
| 04:21.00 | cesurasean | nevyn, where'd you go, buddy? |
| 04:22.02 | Accelerator | So.. the package in the repos is broken then? |
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| 04:22.23 | Roey | hello |
| 04:22.50 | nevyn | cesurasean: sory distracted again. |
| 04:23.01 | Roey | I found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Debian-organigram.svg very informative. I want to spearhead a new KDE Security workgroup to coordinate and integrate security across all aspects of the KDE SDLC and I like this as a model |
| 04:23.19 | nevyn | cesurasean: ok. so you need to start your md. follow the directions here http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-resize-raid-partitions-shrink-and-grow-software-raid |
| 04:23.23 | Accelerator | http://pastie.org/1462538 |
| 04:23.25 | Roey | anyone interested is welcome to join #kde-ksg (kde security group) |
| 04:23.33 | Roey | Accelerator: sorry, my bad |
| 04:23.34 | cesurasean | nevyn, i have tried. |
| 04:23.41 | cesurasean | madam.conf is blank |
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| 04:24.16 | nevyn | mount your original hdd and then copy the mdadm.conf to /etc of the livecd. |
| 04:24.28 | Accelerator | Does anyone here even have mono working on Debian? |
| 04:26.06 | Accelerator | Okay. Clearly something is broken here. |
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| 04:26.29 | Accelerator | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:28.01 | Accelerator | Guessing no one here even has Mono working on Debian then :/ |
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| 04:28.03 | cesurasean | nevyn, once i mount the filesystem, do i need to dismount ever? |
| 04:28.11 | nevyn | cesurasean: you will yes. |
| 04:28.25 | nevyn | cesurasean: you need to grab the mdadm.conf from your root filesystem |
| 04:28.30 | cesurasean | before i resize? |
| 04:28.35 | nevyn | yeah. |
| 04:28.42 | cesurasean | ok |
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| 04:28.44 | cesurasean | thx |
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| 04:29.05 | SvenDSqueeze | Accelerator: tried aptitude to fix your packages? aptitude -f ? |
| 04:29.22 | mischievous | hi, i have the sun java runtime and browser plugin installed but no applets will load |
| 04:29.41 | mischievous | dpkg, tell mischievous about java |
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| 04:31.05 | Accelerator | SvenDSqueeze, What exactly do I need to do here? |
| 04:31.46 | Rusty1 | /msg dpkg java, mischievous |
| 04:31.55 | SvenDSqueeze | Accelerator: I do not have mono running on my lenny machine. But to fix broken dependencies, I usually run" aptitude -f" |
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| 04:32.18 | SvenDSqueeze | Accelerator: " aptitude -f install package" |
| 04:32.27 | mischievous | Rusty1, i already had dpkg tell me about java. however, the information does not help the problem. |
| 04:33.52 | jmarsden | mischievous: So you already did what it says in java alternatives: update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun # right? |
| 04:37.22 | mischievous | jmarsden, it prints 'update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for...' for a list of applications. |
| 04:38.38 | jmarsden | Hmmm. How exactly did you install Sun java ? And what does java -version output now? |
| 04:39.38 | mischievous | i installed java through aptitude-curses. Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_22-b04) |
| 04:40.24 | jmarsden | Looks sane. And you have exited your browser and restarted it, right? |
| 04:40.33 | mischievous | indeed. |
| 04:40.47 | mischievous | the sun java plugin shows up in the plugin list of iceweasel, too. |
| 04:41.02 | jordanm | mischievous: sun-java6-plugin is the browser plugin |
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| 04:42.48 | nevyn | cesurasean: getting somewhere or not? |
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| 04:43.25 | cesurasean | nevyn, smoking a bowl first... |
| 04:43.38 | cesurasean | then going to attempt it. it's booting the livecd now.. |
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| 04:45.49 | Gigacore | hey guys am facing a weird issue with jpeg files. The .jpg files won't open, but when I rename it to .JPG, it opens.. I have debian lenny on my VPS |
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| 04:46.33 | Deeps | Hello! I see Debian Squeeze has released an update to the kernel, from 2.6.32-29 to 2.6.32-30. Is there an easy way to see the differences between these two packages? |
| 04:47.45 | mischievous | Deeps, aptitude will show package changelogs. |
| 04:48.06 | Deeps | mischievous: i'm not after the changelog, i'm after the actual changes |
| 04:48.48 | Gigacore | guys any solution to my issue? |
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| 04:50.42 | jmarsden | Deeps: unpack the two source packages and diff -uNr package1/ package2/ # will show you all the changes :) |
| 04:53.36 | Deeps | gotta be a better way :\ |
| 04:54.22 | Gigacore | hey guys am facing a weird issue with jpeg files. The .jpg files won't open, but when I rename it to .JPG, it opens.. I have debian lenny on my VPS |
| 04:55.52 | jmarsden | Gigacore: define "open"... you mean the Linux kernel syscall open(2) fails on the files? :) :) What is opening the files how? |
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| 04:56.19 | Gigacore | jmarsden: can I PM you? |
| 04:56.22 | jmarsden | Deeps: There is, read the changelogs, but you said you didn't want to do that. |
| 04:56.36 | jmarsden | Gigacore: No, stay here so others benefit from the exchange and can help out as needed, please. |
| 04:56.47 | Gigacore | jmarsden: ok |
| 04:57.50 | Gigacore | jmarsden: well you the problem didn't exist yesterday and all of a sudden I am facing it today.. when I upload a .jpg file via ftp and open it in a browser it shows weird characters.. when I rename it to .JPG it opens the image |
| 04:58.05 | Accelerator | Sounds like a mime type issue? |
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| 04:58.17 | Gigacore | jmarsden: http://www.themebin.com/images/aurora_t.jpg |
| 04:58.28 | Gigacore | see.. characters |
| 04:58.35 | Gigacore | but open this - http://www.themebin.com/images/aurora_t.JPG |
| 04:58.35 | Accelerator | Gigacore, Apache? |
| 04:58.38 | Gigacore | it opens image |
| 04:58.46 | jdag | how would i go about installing drivers if i found the driver types from this site http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx |
| 04:59.14 | debian_newb | Just installed Debian on a PC and now trying to connect to my wireless LAN, but from the Desktop, I don't see any way to choose the wifi network, enter WEP, etc. |
| 04:59.18 | mischievous | Gigacore, you need to fix your webserver configuration to deliver the correct content type. |
| 04:59.19 | Gigacore | Accelerator: hmm.. I don't think I made any changes to apache |
| 04:59.20 | debian_newb | ...what should I do? |
| 04:59.22 | jmarsden | Gigacore: That file is being returned as Content-Type: text/html which it clearly is not. Use HEAD http://www.themebin.com/images/aurora_t.jpg to see the header info being sent by your web server. |
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| 04:59.58 | jmarsden | The .JPG one returns Content-Type: image/jpeg which is correct. |
| 05:00.01 | Accelerator | Gigacore, Try creating a file named ".htaccess" in the same folder, and adding this to it: |
| 05:00.16 | Accelerator | AddType image/jpeg jpg |
| 05:00.47 | Gigacore | jmarsden: hmm.. but all other file types open regardless of case sensitiveness |
| 05:00.50 | Gigacore | Accelerator: ok |
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| 05:03.01 | jmarsden | Gigacore: You broke Apache's configuration for how it determines content types somewhere/somehow. I'd be tempted to check all the relevant config files for AddType commands and for the mime-based stuff, but Accelerator has a quick workaround first. |
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| 05:03.38 | Accelerator | jmarsden, Yeah, just wanted to test that it worked first, but it should only be considered a temporary fix. |
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| 05:04.55 | jmarsden | Accelerator: It'll work, unless he has AllowOveride None somewhere above the directory concerned :) |
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| 05:07.31 | Deeps | jmarsden: heh, diff -uN linux-2.6_2.6.32-29.diff linux-2.6_2.6.32-30.diff | wc -l :: 26568 - I'm probably better off just re-applying my own patches |
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| 05:09.28 | Gigacore | Accelerator: doesn't help |
| 05:10.01 | Gigacore | I wonder why this has to do with only .jpg file while not the .gif or any other file formats |
| 05:10.04 | Accelerator | Gigacore, You created a file named ".htaccess" WITH the ".", and added that line exactly? |
| 05:10.10 | Gigacore | yes |
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| 05:11.06 | Gigacore | let me try with this - AddType image/jpeg .jpeg .jpg .jpe .JPG |
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| 05:12.47 | Gigacore | doesn't help either |
| 05:13.05 | debian_newb | Help! How can I set up a wireless card using GNOME? |
| 05:13.26 | Bop | debian_newb, install gnome network manager |
| 05:13.29 | Bop | or wicd |
| 05:13.44 | debian_newb | Bop: I don't have a network to install that |
| 05:14.24 | Bop | dont u have the debian DVD ? |
| 05:14.37 | debian_newb | I have CD1 |
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| 05:15.00 | Bop | dont know if its there |
| 05:15.15 | Bop | try uptitude install wicd |
| 05:15.20 | Bop | try aptitude install wicd |
| 05:15.45 | jmarsden | Gigacore: Does grep -ri jpg /etc/apache2/ # output anything of interest? |
| 05:16.17 | debian_newb | Bop: "Couldn't find any package" |
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| 05:16.52 | Bop | debian_newb, i dont know the best way , but u can get the individual packages from debian site |
| 05:17.06 | Gigacore | jmarsden: it shows nothing |
| 05:17.08 | Bop | perhaps the best is to download the DVD 1 of debian |
| 05:17.18 | debian_newb | Bop, okay, where on the site? |
| 05:17.24 | Bop | www.debian.org |
| 05:17.29 | Bop | what debian u installed ? |
| 05:18.04 | Gigacore | jmarsden: it shows for other types.. gif, png etc |
| 05:18.33 | debian_newb | Uh, it's a big site. There are five DVDs -- do I need to burn all of them? |
| 05:18.43 | debian_newb | installed 5.0.7 |
| 05:18.58 | Bop | dont know if it is on dvd 1 |
| 05:19.06 | Bop | i think dvd 1 could do the job |
| 05:19.11 | Bop | then u'll have internet acess |
| 05:19.29 | Bop | debian_newb, what encripton are u using |
| 05:19.43 | Bop | if u'r using wep , u can set up from command line interface |
| 05:19.50 | Bop | then update what u need |
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| 05:20.44 | Amnesia | hi |
| 05:20.45 | jmarsden | Gigacore: OK... so consider adding an entry for jpg in the file where the gif/png/etc AddType lines are, and reload apache2 ? |
| 05:20.51 | Amnesia | I've got an extremely annoying issue |
| 05:20.55 | debian_newb | I am using a wep, yes |
| 05:20.56 | Amnesia | I'm trying to install the newest vlc |
| 05:21.03 | Amnesia | but it keeps installing the squeeze version |
| 05:21.17 | Bop | debian_newb, u know how to use command line ? |
| 05:21.27 | debian_newb | if I could do that from the command line, would be faster than waiting the 3.5 hours it says to download the DVD |
| 05:21.30 | Amnesia | already dist-upgraded to sid afaik... |
| 05:21.35 | debian_newb | yes, I can do that |
| 05:21.38 | Bop | ok |
| 05:21.38 | Amnesia | anyone? |
| 05:21.39 | Gigacore | jmarsden: will try |
| 05:22.06 | debian_newb | Not sure of the commands, though. |
| 05:22.13 | Amnesia | Version: 1.1.3-1squeeze1 |
| 05:22.38 | Amnesia | http://pastie.org/1462589 |
| 05:22.42 | Amnesia | that's in my sources.list |
| 05:22.51 | Bop | debian_newb, u know what designation does your wifi card have on linux ? eth0 ; wlan0 ? |
| 05:22.52 | Amnesia | already upgraded every single package |
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| 05:22.59 | Amnesia | Filename: pool/main/v/vlc/vlc_1.1.3-1squeeze1_amd64.de |
| 05:23.05 | Amnesia | why's it picking that version? |
| 05:23.10 | debian_newb | Bop, it seems to be wlan0 |
| 05:23.33 | Bop | debian_newb, then iwconfig wlan0 key s:YOUR_PASSWORD_HERE |
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| 05:24.41 | Bop | debian_newb, first iwconfig eth0 essid YOUR_ROUTER_SSID |
| 05:24.46 | unkmar | debian_newb: that is for WEP |
| 05:24.47 | Bop | debian_newb, first iwconfig wlan0 essid YOUR_ROUTER_SSID |
| 05:25.00 | HandyGandy | I want to list the packages that you need to build a package. All, not just the ones not installed. |
| 05:25.11 | Amnesia | ff |
| 05:25.23 | Amnesia | guess I should switch to arch linux:s |
| 05:25.41 | debian_newb | Bop, "bash: iwconfig: command not found" |
| 05:25.56 | Indonesia | Helo debian user. . . |
| 05:25.58 | Bop | damn lol |
| 05:26.21 | Bop | debian_newb, aptitude install iw ? |
| 05:26.52 | debian_newb | "couldn't find any package" |
| 05:26.59 | Bop | u screwed then |
| 05:27.02 | Bop | get the dvd |
| 05:27.08 | unkmar | Bop: are you su re? |
| 05:27.11 | Amnesia | is there no way to install the newest version on debian:S? |
| 05:27.11 | sweetpi | aptitude install wireless-tools |
| 05:27.19 | Bop | unkmar, if u have a better option , go ahead |
| 05:27.35 | unkmar | are you making sure he is root for these commands? |
| 05:27.43 | debian_newb | Bop, "couldn't find any package" |
| 05:27.48 | Bop | the error says he is |
| 05:27.50 | debian_newb | I'm su, yes |
| 05:27.54 | unkmar | or to specify /sbin/ |
| 05:28.05 | debian_newb | unkmar: ? |
| 05:28.05 | unkmar | ah, so you simply don't have /sbin/iwconfig |
| 05:28.58 | Bop | debian_newb, aptitude install wireless-tools ? |
| 05:29.36 | Amnesia | why's everyone ignoring me...? |
| 05:29.37 | Amnesia | it's not that busy.. |
| 05:29.57 | debian_newb | unkmar: I tried /sbin too .. "no such file" |
| 05:30.15 | Bop | Amnesia, i think its about package policy , first the default repositories then the vlc repository |
| 05:30.16 | unkmar | Amnesia: I haven't been following you at all. but.. what I have ready. I run Lenny, so I can't help. |
| 05:30.33 | Bop | so u need to change it |
| 05:30.41 | debian_newb | wireless tools installed |
| 05:30.45 | debian_newb | ...that worked |
| 05:30.47 | Amnesia | Bop: apparantly the vlc repos dont support 64 bit.. |
| 05:30.54 | Bop | 32 bit here , sorry |
| 05:31.06 | debian_newb | Amnesia: I'm 32-bit |
| 05:31.12 | unkmar | debian_newb: then you should now have iwconfig |
| 05:31.14 | Bop | debian_newb, iwconfig eth0 essid YOUR_ROUTER_SSID |
| 05:31.18 | Amnesia | damn |
| 05:31.22 | Bop | ops |
| 05:31.26 | Bop | not eth0 , wlan0 |
| 05:31.29 | Amnesia | debians update cycle seriously sucks |
| 05:31.32 | debian_newb | ok, got iwconfig now |
| 05:31.44 | debian_newb | ok... let me try that |
| 05:31.52 | sweetpi | then do something about it |
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| 05:32.37 | debian_newb | ok, essid is set |
| 05:32.42 | Bop | debian_newb, iwlist wlan0 scan , u can check your SSID |
| 05:32.46 | Bop | ok |
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| 05:33.07 | Bop | debian_newb, iwconfig wlan0 key s:YOUR_PASSWORD_HERE |
| 05:33.25 | unkmar | debian_newb: and then, dhclient wlan0 |
| 05:33.46 | debian_newb | scanning doesn't work, it says interface doesn't support it, network is down |
| 05:34.00 | Bop | debian_newb, ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 05:34.25 | unkmar | yeh, I forgot the ifconfig wlan0 up step. |
| 05:34.49 | debian_newb | Bop, ifconfig up fails "cannot assign requested address" |
| 05:35.09 | unkmar | network has to be down to change essid and up to dhclient or scan |
| 05:35.12 | Amnesia | new software updates and debian just don't cooperate-.- |
| 05:35.41 | debian_newb | unkmar: ok, the network was dwn, so maybe that's kosher |
| 05:35.52 | SvenDSqueeze | cya later |
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| 05:36.40 | unkmar | looks like it can be up for all of it. |
| 05:36.42 | Bop | i gotta go |
| 05:36.52 | unkmar | debian_newb: I just checked my wireless script. |
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| 05:36.59 | debian_newb | Bop, I tried ifconfig wlan0 down and then up again... same error from SIOCSIFFLAGS |
| 05:37.15 | unkmar | debian_newb: lspci |
| 05:37.47 | unkmar | we need to determine your wireless chip. |
| 05:38.02 | debian_newb | unkmar: lspci says "Broadcom BCM4318" interface |
| 05:38.28 | unkmar | debian_newb: you will need the firmware for that. |
| 05:38.57 | unkmar | You can get that online in anyone of many places that slip my memory at the moment. :( |
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| 05:39.09 | debian_newb | unkmar: ok, where to get? how to install? |
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| 05:39.29 | sweetpi | there is a package for it iirc |
| 05:39.51 | unkmar | debian_newb: the last time I did it, I cheated. I copied my set on to the other persons system. |
| 05:40.01 | sweetpi | firmware-b43-installer |
| 05:40.23 | debian_newb | unkmar: ok... i found some tutorials on the net |
| 05:40.32 | unkmar | before that I had used fwcutter. what sweetpi said |
| 05:40.54 | unkmar | aptitude install firmware-b43-installer |
| 05:41.04 | sweetpi | which will require net access though |
| 05:41.32 | unkmar | Hmm, I don't see that at all. :( |
| 05:41.54 | yoshio | ,versions vlc |
| 05:41.56 | judd | Package vlc on i386 -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2.3; sid: 1.1.3-1squeeze1; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze1; experimental: 1.1.5-3 |
| 05:42.24 | unkmar | aptitude install b43-fwcutter |
| 05:42.25 | sweetpi | unkmar: b43-fwcutter, the other might be squeeze only |
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| 05:42.40 | yoshio | Amnesia, same version of vlc in sid and squeeze, maybe try experimental? |
| 05:42.51 | debian_newb | sweetpi: i can download to a USB stick, but then what? |
| 05:42.57 | Amnesia | yoshio: explain? |
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| 05:43.05 | unkmar | you need the .fw files. |
| 05:43.09 | unkmar | um, Hmm. |
| 05:43.09 | iluminator101 | what a good pdf to html program? |
| 05:43.10 | Amnesia | yoshio: unstable = experimental right... |
| 05:43.23 | Gigacore | jmarsden: apparently I solved it |
| 05:43.36 | jmarsden | Gigacore: By doing what? |
| 05:43.46 | debian_newb | unkmar: "aptitude install b43-fwcutter" doesn't work |
| 05:43.57 | Gigacore | jmarsden: I changed from fast-cgi to mod-php |
| 05:44.02 | unkmar | debian_newb: if you download a .deb file you can run dpkg -i b43-fwcutter.deb |
| 05:44.04 | yoshio | Amnesia, sid=unstable, and stuff in unstable migrates to testing after 10 days if there are no RC bugs. experimental is another repo, doesn't automatically migrate |
| 05:44.43 | sweetpi | debian_newb: you wont be able to install the packages without net access, it downloads files from broadcom's site iirc. youll have to get the actual .fw files like unkmar said |
| 05:44.44 | unkmar | debian_newb: Which are you using? Lenny or Squeeze? |
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| 05:45.19 | Amnesia | yoshio: so it's a dead end right...? |
| 05:45.28 | Amnesia | my only choice is to compile it now I guess? |
| 05:45.44 | yoshio | Amnesia, so you would put "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian experimental main" into /etc/apt/sources.list, do an aptitude update, then aptitude install vlc/experimental (or aptitude install -t experiemental vlc) |
| 05:46.02 | debian_newb | unkmar: Lenny? Squeeze? I have no idea. |
| 05:46.13 | Amnesia | hm let me try that.., thx yoshio |
| 05:46.56 | unkmar | debian_newb: 5.0? |
| 05:47.01 | unkmar | debian_newb: 5.0x? |
| 05:47.41 | debian_newb | unkmar: 5.0.7.. Well, I think I have a lead to go on now... try to install the firmware... thanks for your help with that! |
| 05:48.05 | unkmar | I may have the firmware files somewhere you can download. |
| 05:48.30 | debian_newb | I am a bit disappointed this wasn't in the basic Debian install. I see two different web browsers, which doubtless take up more space than a few lousy firmware files. |
| 05:49.01 | unkmar | the broadcomm firmware files are not open source (Yet!) |
| 05:49.24 | unkmar | Name the browsers. Both completely open source. RIGHT? |
| 05:49.34 | debian_newb | Ah, i see. So that's the gotcha. Oh well. |
| 05:49.52 | yoshio | Amnesia, type "apt-cache policy vlc" to see what version it prefers to install |
| 05:50.03 | Amnesia | wooot |
| 05:50.07 | Amnesia | finally.. |
| 05:50.07 | jetole | Hey guys. How long does a debian release receive updates for? |
| 05:50.19 | Amnesia | why is it still in the experimental repo:S? |
| 05:50.33 | debian_newb | unkmar: Right. Now I understand. Thanks. |
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| 05:51.42 | unkmar | and poof debian_newb is gone before I could say more. |
| 05:52.00 | jetole | unkmar: welcome to IRC |
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| 05:52.22 | jetole | tomorrow we'll discuss etiquete or the complete lack thereof on IRC |
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| 05:52.56 | unkmar | jetole: ah, I see you been around the block a few times. Rounded it off yet? :P |
| 05:53.05 | jetole | lol |
| 05:53.24 | jetole | unkmar: don't suppose you know how often a release receices updates for? |
| 05:53.41 | unkmar | nope. |
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| 05:54.05 | unkmar | I've been wondering when squeeze is going to go stable. |
| 05:54.12 | jetole | doesn't matter. I can't seem to get debian to install to save my life |
| 05:54.13 | unkmar | along with about 6 other questions. |
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| 05:54.24 | unkmar | jetole: what problems are you having? |
| 05:54.33 | Xenguy | unkmar: very soon now AFAICT |
| 05:54.42 | jetole | grub-install in both 5.07 and squeeze 01/12/11 |
| 05:54.47 | Xenguy | jetole: yah, be specific |
| 05:54.57 | unkmar | Xenguy: been hearing that for a few months now. |
| 05:55.04 | jetole | I'm using lvm on crypt on mdraid and grub-install (and LILO) is always failing |
| 05:55.12 | unkmar | jetole: and what are some of the specs of the system? |
| 05:55.16 | Xenguy | unkmar: you heard it here for real :-) |
| 05:55.45 | jetole | unkmar: core 2 duo, two sata II drives, what else would you like to know? |
| 05:55.55 | unkmar | jetole: I've been able to install on debian on some pretty old and crappy hardware. Shoved it on a 300Mhz laptop at one point. |
| 05:56.19 | Gigacore | jmarsden: thank you |
| 05:56.22 | jetole | unkmar: this isn't old or crappy hardware. It's not new or sparkling either but thats not the problem |
| 05:56.26 | unkmar | jetole: Hmm, core 2 duo. I've got one of those goin. Only one sata drive though. |
| 05:56.28 | Xenguy | jetole: what is the error though? |
| 05:56.49 | unkmar | jetole: I'm even more curious what the error is. |
| 05:57.10 | jetole | on squeeze I get an error about unable to... what was it, unable to find filesystem on vg1-root (lvm partition) and on 5.07, syslog seems pretty empty inside the installer CD |
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| 05:57.38 | Xenguy | jetole: hrm, lvm bug? |
| 05:57.54 | jetole | Xenguy: grub bug more likely |
| 05:57.55 | unkmar | Xenguy: I haven't been doing lvm. only ext2 and ext3 stuff. |
| 05:58.06 | unkmar | jetole: grub or grub2? |
| 05:58.09 | jetole | Xenguy: the install goes fine until grub tries to install right at the end |
| 05:58.11 | jetole | unkmar: both |
| 05:58.16 | Xenguy | Some kind of bug |
| 05:58.28 | jetole | 5.07 and squeeze 01/12/11 which is respectively grub1 and grub2 |
| 05:59.08 | jetole | I'm about ready to give up and go back to ubuntu |
| 05:59.26 | Xenguy | jetole: *cough* |
| 05:59.29 | jetole | I've been dealing with this since last night |
| 05:59.51 | jetole | I thought reverting to stable 5.07 would be ok since this worked fine on a VM I tested on at home today |
| 06:00.06 | unkmar | jetole: last night? you gotta be kidding. you call that persistance? |
| 06:00.21 | jetole | unkmar: no I call it getting a OS on my workstation |
| 06:00.40 | unkmar | jetole: I've fought some problems for days. Granted I try not to have those kinds of problems. :( |
| 06:00.41 | jetole | persistance would involve me caring about the details more then I do |
| 06:00.47 | Xenguy | computers can be a bitch sometimes |
| 06:00.54 | unkmar | Xenguy: yeah. |
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| 06:00.58 | Xenguy | that's a given |
| 06:00.59 | jetole | unkmar: oh I have a problem I have been fighting for months but this is work now |
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| 06:01.28 | unkmar | jetole: so far I have sticking to ext3 so that I don't have to learn how to deal with the lvm quirks. |
| 06:01.46 | unkmar | jetole: I don't quite trust lvm yet and am a tiny bit edgy about ext4 just yet. |
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| 06:03.26 | unkmar | Xenguy: so, you run xen? |
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| 06:03.48 | unkmar | i don't have any xen related questions. Just figured I'd ask the obvious one. |
| 06:04.59 | unkmar | One of my questions would be. Why do I appear to have access with virtually every screen update. Including updates in getty modes only. |
| 06:05.17 | unkmar | s/access/hdd access/ |
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| 06:07.30 | Xenguy | unkmar: I should create a FAQ for that question :-) I chose the nick before xen became labelled/popular AFAICT |
| 06:07.41 | unkmar | I'm currently not running in X because every wiggle of the mouse causes my hdd to be tortured. |
| 06:07.49 | Xenguy | unkmar: and so it happens that I've never run Xen :-) |
| 06:08.14 | Xenguy | unkmar: check out ratpoison WM maybe ? |
| 06:09.26 | unkmar | ratpoison? I've been using openbox. about as light weight as it gets but, GUI browsers and some other apps kinda like a mouse for navigating. |
| 06:09.29 | Xenguy | unkmar: you don't need a mouse to run that WM |
| 06:09.59 | Xenguy | unkmar: ratpoison only makes sense if you like screen |
| 06:10.22 | unkmar | You do from a laptop without a numeric keypad. otherise I'd just turn on the mousekeys like feature. |
| 06:10.30 | unkmar | Accessibility. |
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| 06:11.18 | Xenguy | unkmar: can't parse that, sorry. But if you like keyboard-only WM, ratpoison is worth a look |
| 06:11.22 | unkmar | I already use the dickens out of screen, Quite nice but. I have become a little more cautious using it due to a couple of screen sessions crashing on me once. |
| 06:11.55 | Xenguy | unkmar: hrm, I've never actually witness screen crash |
| 06:12.02 | Xenguy | witnessed* |
| 06:12.37 | unkmar | Xenguy: eh, considering the system it crashed on and what I use it for. It was likely a run out of memory issue. |
| 06:13.03 | Xenguy | unkmar: screen doesn't take that much resources AFAIK |
| 06:13.05 | unkmar | Xenguy: how would I manage things like firefox in ratpoisin? |
| 06:13.33 | jetole | unkmar: LVM has been around forever and works well. Don't know what you don't trust but I started using LVM some 8 - 10 years ago |
| 06:13.39 | Xenguy | unkmar: I have RP configured to invoke FF with Ctrl-Space F |
| 06:13.42 | unkmar | Xenguy: I didn't say screen caused the memory problem. It was just one of the first things to die from a possible memory limitation. |
| 06:14.01 | Xenguy | unkmar: that's a hardware issue then, no? |
| 06:15.05 | Xenguy | er, Ctrl-Space f |
| 06:15.12 | unkmar | Xenguy: not really, its a software issue. I share that system and a few too many things were being run. I have to monitor its usage every few months to make sure it doesn't get out of hand. |
| 06:15.44 | Xenguy | unkmar: no. that is a hardware limitation - screen takes hardly any resources |
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| 06:15.55 | unkmar | Xenguy: I understand binding keys. Or in my case using little script. |
| 06:16.05 | unkmar | *scripts |
| 06:16.12 | Xenguy | it's a simple configuration file |
| 06:16.37 | unkmar | how would I go about clicking on an embeded flash to make it go? |
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| 06:17.04 | Xenguy | unkmar: that is handled by the browser ? |
| 06:17.35 | Xenguy | which you can use a mouse for - an exception to the general rule |
| 06:17.42 | unkmar | in other words. how do I drive a mouse in ratposion, and if I'm driving a mouse, via keyboard I assume I still have the hdd issue for every little movement. I'm not sure of that. (just saying) |
| 06:18.51 | Xenguy | unkmar: sorry, I've been unclear. RP the WM ignores the mouse generally, but applications (like FF) still understand the mouse - better? :-) |
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| 06:19.17 | Xenguy | unkmar: so yeah, testing required I suppose |
| 06:19.18 | unkmar | Hmm. |
| 06:20.52 | unkmar | that actually does make since. Cause I am aware that the desktop of openbox is watching the mouse to see if I right click for a context menu, which I almost never do. |
| 06:21.49 | unkmar | I also know that my mouse is almost always over a window. Whether it be one of my xterms, vncviewer, firefox, or google-chrome. |
| 06:22.03 | Xenguy | unkmar: anyhow, RP is similar in nature/behavior to screen |
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| 06:22.36 | unkmar | Xenguy: I'll give it a shot but I won't get my hopes up. |
| 06:22.38 | Xenguy | unkmar: so if you like screen ... :-) |
| 06:22.57 | Xenguy | unkmar: yeh, don't celebrate til it works :-) |
| 06:23.07 | unkmar | I like screen. I don't use the split screen like features though. |
| 06:23.21 | Xenguy | unkmar: very rarely here also |
| 06:23.38 | unkmar | I use it more like multiple desktops. Or tabbed desktops. Which is more like it feels to me. |
| 06:24.36 | unkmar | I also use vim and again I rarely use the split window feature. I tend to use :tabnew |
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| 06:25.17 | unkmar | I recently grew comfortable with using buffers. I don't like the buffer method as well. |
| 06:26.25 | unkmar | dang it. ADD kicked in again. I had something else to say and forgot it. |
| 06:27.18 | unkmar | oh yeah. Um, I made use of stm. so, even at the console I get better than 80x25. |
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| 06:40.57 | salil | How do I prepare lenny to be able to compile kernel modules? |
| 06:42.03 | cahoot | !m-a |
| 06:42.04 | dpkg | module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages - from Debian module source packages - and install them. "aptitude install module-assistant". See usage examples at http://wiki.debian.org/ModuleAssistant . Log files from successful (and unsuccessful!) builds can be found in /var/cache/modass/ |
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| 07:21.01 | lauris | hi, how to find out real memory usage on debian ? |
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| 07:27.48 | bp0 | free |
| 07:30.14 | lauris | which field of free corresponds to "real" usage ? |
| 07:31.08 | lauris | ah, i see. |
| 07:31.17 | lauris | second row is -/+ buffers/cache |
| 07:31.21 | lauris | thanks! |
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| 07:34.46 | kingsley | What's the right way to request than an application be packaged? |
| 07:35.34 | rww | !wnpp |
| 07:35.34 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp (refinable list at http://wnpp.debian.net/). Use wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
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| 07:38.19 | kingsley | rww: I checked out http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp and it seems to me that others have submitted packaging requests to the "wnpp" package. I'll try that. |
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| 08:14.54 | albech | anyone know a repository with a newer version of Nginx than 0.6.32-3+lenny3 |
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| 08:15.35 | albech | never liked to install development tools on a production machine :( |
| 08:17.13 | dutchfish | albech: http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/nginx (bpo) |
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| 08:20.19 | albech | dutchfish, thanks |
| 08:20.37 | dutchfish | albech: yw |
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| 08:28.34 | unkmar | I still don't know why every little screen update causes drive access. |
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| 08:31.41 | dutchfish | unkmar: there could me a miriad of reasons like data-access, log to /var/log etc |
| 08:33.12 | unkmar | I'm in a tty, ssh'd to a remote system, running screen on that remote system and it is updating the time at every second. At every second there is a drive access. |
| 08:33.34 | unkmar | if I exit screen and remain connected, the second update stops AND the drive access stops. |
| 08:33.40 | unkmar | They are linked. |
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| 08:34.05 | dutchfish | use iotop to find out |
| 08:34.31 | dutchfish | or tell me what you are running in that screen |
| 08:35.15 | unkmar | Um, that screen is running on the REMOTE system and the program running in that screen is.... Wait for it..... |
| 08:35.18 | unkmar | irssi |
| 08:36.19 | dutchfish | well irssi logs in ~/.irssi/mylogs |
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| 08:37.19 | unkmar | not at every second of the screen update. It logs at every LINE that comes through. Which don't occurr at every second and even at that.. the irssi is on the REMOTE system. the hdd access I speak of is on my LOCAL system. |
| 08:38.00 | dutchfish | unkmar: well as i said you could find out using iotop |
| 08:38.37 | Internat | sorry was screen running on the local machine, or the remote one? |
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| 08:38.45 | unkmar | dutchfish: and that is the USEFUL part of the conversation so far. Very useful. |
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| 08:39.04 | unkmar | I'll be able to use that to find other things in the future. |
| 08:39.59 | unkmar | so, in the unusual and non-traditional manner I will say. Thank you for your help and toleration of my query. |
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| 08:41.22 | dutchfish | unkmar: iotop -o only shows active ones, that might come in handy too |
| 08:44.26 | dutchfish | unkmar: alot of console stuff also uses a temp file, you could mount tmpfs in mem to lessen that problem |
| 08:45.02 | dutchfish | unkmar: it all depends on your needs |
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| 08:48.34 | unkmar | brb |
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| 08:50.25 | unkmar | dutchfish: Now I am confused. Cause I am hearing the "tick, tick, tick" of activity but nothing is showing up in iotop -o well, nothing that correlates timewise with the activity. |
| 08:50.33 | dutchfish | unkmar: init, kjournald and kthread use the disk frequently on my systems. That are my 2 cents so far. |
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| 08:51.08 | unkmar | dutchfish: yeah, I see those but there activity don't appear to match up. |
| 08:51.20 | dutchfish | unkmar: disks dont always neccesarely write there data out right away, the buffer/cache stuff too |
| 08:51.42 | dutchfish | s/the/they |
| 08:52.23 | dutchfish | unkmar: the kernel itself does a nice job to cache stuff too |
| 08:53.34 | dutchfish | unkmar: last but not least, a journaling fs is more chatty then others, setting ext3 options for some params like access time might firther improve a quiet i/o channel |
| 08:53.37 | unkmar | dutchfish: I understand and expect that, I just don't understand why I HEAR the effects of a keyboard repeat. |
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| 08:54.01 | unkmar | if I hold a key down and z's start to repeat on the screen, I hear little ticks to every screen update. |
| 08:54.07 | dutchfish | unkmar: thats indeed strange |
| 08:54.53 | unkmar | Yet, if I type in my username, get prompted for the password and then hold down z. I don't here it. cause the screen isn't updated. |
| 08:54.54 | dutchfish | unkmar: are you willing to pastebin : ps auxww ? |
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| 08:55.09 | unkmar | sure. |
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| 08:55.35 | dutchfish | unkmar: and what debian version are you using on what kernel? |
| 08:57.00 | dutchfish | !tell unkmar about pastebinit |
| 08:57.46 | unkmar | I'm using the green one with the blue strip. j/k |
| 08:57.50 | unkmar | Lenny |
| 08:58.12 | dutchfish | unkmar: ok, and stock kernel? |
| 08:58.29 | unkmar | i386 bigmem stock. |
| 08:58.40 | dutchfish | uname -a? |
| 08:58.43 | unkmar | well, with the nvidia thing. |
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| 08:59.02 | unkmar | I'll include it in the pastebin |
| 08:59.07 | dutchfish | ok |
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| 09:02.26 | delby | hi. i want to install skype on squeeze i386. http://wiki.debian.org/skype refers to 'deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free' . is that repo ok for squeeze even though its 'stable' ? |
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| 09:05.07 | dutchfish | delby: http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
| 09:05.23 | unkmar | dutchfish: http://pastebin.com/UMHYQjjL |
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| 09:06.58 | dutchfish | unkmar: i think you hit the festival bug, that process is defunct, read the pts for a workaround, for the rest, nothing much strange in there. |
| 09:07.49 | unkmar | Do you only see one festival runnin? |
| 09:07.52 | delby | dutchfish: yes i know, my question is is it ok to install from the 'stable' repo on squeeze i386? |
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| 09:08.36 | dutchfish | delby: for i386 that might work, for x86_64 i could not get it to a functioning state (yet) |
| 09:08.37 | unkmar | cause it ain't dead. I'm running it in server mode and it tends to show <defunct> when run that way. |
| 09:08.48 | unkmar | strange, yes, but.. apparently normal for festival. |
| 09:09.13 | dutchfish | unkmar: not on my machines, it ostly denotes a zombie process |
| 09:09.18 | unkmar | Notice the mangled -R 1314:localhost:1314 lines? |
| 09:09.25 | delby | dutchfish: thanks. |
| 09:09.25 | dutchfish | s/ostly/mostly |
| 09:09.32 | dutchfish | delby: yw |
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| 09:10.49 | dutchfish | unkmar: yes |
| 09:10.59 | unkmar | now I have to way until someone chatters again in the other channel. |
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| 09:11.38 | dutchfish | unkmar: it looks to me that you script irfan.sh starts the ssh connection, right? |
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| 09:11.49 | unkmar | Oky, I killed the <defunct> and yeah the --server was running separate |
| 09:12.21 | dutchfish | unkmar: ok, now watch iotop if this does mather |
| 09:12.51 | unkmar | eh, festival.sh executes irfan.sh and startes the festival --server and will kill festival server when I disconnect. and yeah, irfan.sh makes the connection to the remote system. |
| 09:13.06 | dutchfish | ok |
| 09:14.10 | dutchfish | also note that piping info from an ssh connection to festival involves disk i/o |
| 09:14.15 | unkmar | The only reason I have it as a script is .. well that -R crap is a lot to type and I threw in either a aplay or mplayer of a .wav file for fun. "Please enter password" (Sound byte) |
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| 09:14.32 | dutchfish | fair enough, np |
| 09:15.02 | unkmar | yeah, when it starts talking the tick tick goes to a buzz. but I expected that. |
| 09:15.10 | dutchfish | yep |
| 09:16.24 | dutchfish | unkmar: this maybe could be solved by having a ramdisk for the part where the pipe is used between those 2 |
| 09:16.41 | dutchfish | unkmar: but thats alot of fuz to resolve this |
| 09:17.03 | dutchfish | unkmar: but it could be done ;) |
| 09:17.13 | unkmar | I don't think that will resolve it. It isn't just the remote connection. I used it as an example. |
| 09:17.31 | dutchfish | unkmar: mm... explain |
| 09:18.13 | unkmar | as I kept stating, ANY screen write at all causes a tick. which so far I had assumed was drive access. I can't think of a reasonable reason to *hear* an otherwise strictly visual update. |
| 09:18.44 | dutchfish | unkmar: depends on your acpi settings |
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| 09:19.20 | dutchfish | unkmar: where you box goes into a lower C-state and is wakened by such action some mainboards produce sounds |
| 09:19.55 | unkmar | ah, Now we are getting somwhere. |
| 09:20.01 | dutchfish | unkmar: you could test that out by disabling acpi |
| 09:20.08 | unkmar | This is a laptop. |
| 09:20.14 | dutchfish | (temporarely for testing) |
| 09:20.21 | dutchfish | nods |
| 09:20.25 | unkmar | yeah, but disabling acpi will require reboot. :( |
| 09:20.32 | dutchfish | yeah |
| 09:20.40 | unkmar | unless I can simply shutdown a module. |
| 09:20.57 | dutchfish | acpi is kernel ..... |
| 09:21.06 | unkmar | I thought so. |
| 09:21.12 | Dis0 | anyone using scrotwm? |
| 09:21.36 | dutchfish | unkmar: anyway, i think this is as much as i can help you with .... |
| 09:21.53 | unkmar | current uptime is 6 days. My big batteries didn't make it home from the previous 21 day uptime. |
| 09:22.04 | dutchfish | unkmar: ic |
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| 09:22.42 | unkmar | I'm not like hardcore crazy about my uptime but I do take pride in it. |
| 09:23.02 | dutchfish | unkmar: ssd drive, maybe? |
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| 09:23.35 | unkmar | the machine running irssi has a 143 uptime. I'm trying to remember what was the reason it was powered down then. |
| 09:23.41 | unkmar | Um, 143 days. |
| 09:23.50 | unkmar | I tend to use it as a server |
| 09:24.24 | dutchfish | unkmar: so you skip updates like latest kernel sec updates? |
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| 09:24.44 | unkmar | dutchfish: well that was kinda of what the whole concern was over. I don't mind the tick. Was concerned that I was beating my hdd to death and knew it would be worse if I was using an ssd. |
| 09:24.44 | dutchfish | ;) |
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| 09:25.14 | dutchfish | apart from the festival bug, i dont think so ... |
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| 09:25.48 | unkmar | dutchfish: I'll figure out how to redirect the festival to .. Um, /shm?? |
| 09:26.06 | dutchfish | unkmar: maybe, anyway you got the idee by now ... |
| 09:26.34 | unkmar | I do updates but not quite as often as I should and.. the server is running ubuntu. I haven't take the time to replace that yet. |
| 09:26.35 | dutchfish | unkmar: tmpfs in mem is another one to think of |
| 09:26.40 | cheche | libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.173.14.09 is wrong I am using 195.36.31 how can I fix it? |
| 09:27.09 | valdyn | cheche: you are or have been using nvidias installer? |
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| 09:27.42 | dutchfish | cheche: or are you using fglrx? |
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| 09:27.53 | valdyn | thats nvidia versions anyway |
| 09:27.53 | cheche | valdyn: maybe, but that was before I upgrade to squezze |
| 09:28.05 | cheche | valdyn: hw can I fix it. |
| 09:28.08 | cheche | valdyn: hw can I fix it? |
| 09:28.11 | valdyn | cheche: your upgrade is irrelevant |
| 09:28.31 | valdyn | cheche: look at the packages and their versions first, nvidia-glx |
| 09:28.45 | cheche | valdyn: I did all 195.36.31 |
| 09:28.47 | valdyn | cheche: and i assume you already checked the kernel module version |
| 09:29.04 | valdyn | cheche: now manually find and remove the stale files and fix that symlink |
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| 09:29.55 | valdyn | cheche: after you fixed it manually, reinstall the package nvidia-glx and see if all is still ok |
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| 09:30.03 | cheche | valdyn: ok, what about purge nvidia-glx and install again, but it work? |
| 09:30.13 | cheche | valdyn: ok, what about purge nvidia-glx and install again, would that work? |
| 09:30.16 | valdyn | cheche: that wont fix this |
| 09:30.52 | valdyn | cheche: nvidia-glx has to use diversions, but nvidias installer breaks those diversions |
| 09:31.09 | cheche | valdyn: what about run the nvidis uninstaller? |
| 09:31.12 | valdyn | cheche: you dont need to understand that, but its why purge + reinstall cannot fix this |
| 09:31.26 | valdyn | cheche: you can try, but nvidias uninstaller is broken |
| 09:31.48 | cheche | valdyn: well, just a bit scare about manually removing files... |
| 09:31.53 | valdyn | cheche: at least after you upgraded more than once using nvidias installer |
| 09:32.00 | valdyn | cheche: why? |
| 09:32.14 | cheche | because I do not know which link I need to remove |
| 09:32.14 | valdyn | cheche: they all start with libGL |
| 09:32.29 | valdyn | cheche: worst case you have to reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx and nvidia-glx |
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| 09:33.01 | valdyn | cheche: most are versioned too, so you recognise nvidia files when you see them |
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| 09:33.41 | valdyn | cheche: and theyre all in /usr/lib |
| 09:33.59 | cheche | valdyn: do I need to touch libGL.so? |
| 09:34.08 | cheche | is linked to /etc/alternatives |
| 09:34.24 | valdyn | cheche: hmm, or /usr/lib/nvidia |
| 09:34.39 | valdyn | cheche: that alternative is again a symlink |
| 09:35.23 | cheche | valdyn: ok, I start by this one libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.173.14.09 |
| 09:35.36 | cheche | but there is not libGL.so.195.36.31 |
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| 09:35.53 | valdyn | cheche: not in /usr/lib/nvidia either? |
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| 09:36.24 | cheche | valdyn: well, yes it is on /usr/lib/nvidia |
| 09:36.26 | valdyn | cheche: the broken files are +x btw |
| 09:36.34 | valdyn | cheche: stupid nvidia installer... |
| 09:37.09 | valdyn | cheche: ( links are always +x, dont mind those ) |
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| 09:38.22 | valdyn | cheche: you can test files with "dpkg -S filename" |
| 09:38.35 | cheche | valdyn: on my way sir... |
| 09:38.35 | valdyn | cheche: ( to see from which package they are ) |
| 09:39.08 | valdyn | cheche: but that cannot work for the symlinks, but if you delete a wrong one, diversions should be fixed by purge and reinstall |
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| 09:39.46 | sunkan | Is it just me that are having issues with security.debian.org? |
| 09:40.35 | valdyn | sunkan: just you |
| 09:40.42 | streuner_ | sunkan: PING security.debian.org (212.211.132.250) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 09:40.43 | streuner_ | 64 bytes from lobos.debian.org (212.211.132.250): icmp_req=1 ttl=57 time=24.1 ms |
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| 09:40.58 | streuner_ | 1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms |
| 09:41.09 | streuner_ | sunkan: sdo is a roundrobin... |
| 09:41.42 | cheche | cheche@casa:/usr/lib$ env LANG=C dpkg -S libGL.so.1 |
| 09:41.42 | cheche | diversion by libgl1-nvidia-alternatives from: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 09:41.42 | cheche | diversion by libgl1-nvidia-alternatives to: /usr/lib/nvidia/diversions/libGL.so.1 |
| 09:41.42 | cheche | libgl1-mesa-glx: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 09:41.42 | cheche | diversion by libgl1-nvidia-alternatives from: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 |
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| 09:41.54 | sunkan | Well, maybe I ended up on a non-working server then.. apt-get updates freezes and times out on several computers for me.. |
| 09:42.10 | sunkan | I guess it will go away in a while, thanks for the information.. |
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| 09:42.19 | cheche | sorry... |
| 09:42.19 | streuner_ | sunkan: just try the server i mentioned above |
| 09:42.47 | streuner_ | sunkan: 212.211.132.250 |
| 09:42.57 | cheche | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/104670/ same file diferent packages |
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| 09:43.26 | cheche | valdyn: I have to shutdown to remove that link i will be back... |
| 09:43.30 | sunkan | It works now ;) |
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| 09:45.59 | sunkan | BTW another question.. grub-pc (in squeeze/sid) will updates for grub be fully installed with the newer grub? Old grub in lenny I know that some files were not automatically copied to /boot/grub and to fully update one would need to do that manually and then run grub-install. |
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| 09:48.45 | agike | update-grub2 won't recognise unstable/WattOS dual-boot. Any ideas ? |
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| 09:49.19 | streuner_ | os-tester installed, just a wild guess |
| 09:49.38 | agike | os-tester ? |
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| 09:49.49 | agike | nope |
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| 09:52.18 | Sterh | hello all! Need help on iptables. |
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| 09:53.17 | Sterh | Cannot configure connection tracking for h323. If signaling and media ip's are different, iptables drop packets. How I can allow it? |
| 09:53.29 | streuner_ | agike: os-prober, sorry |
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| 09:54.04 | streuner_ | dpkg, info os-prober |
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| 09:54.50 | cheche | valdyn: I remove /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 link and the all version of nevidia. purge nvidia-glx seem to work for me. |
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| 10:03.05 | dutchfish | themill: i wonder why anyone (apart from source code) would ever use a deb from outside the official repos .... but good to know and warn the newbs |
| 10:03.18 | agike | streuner_: I ran os-prober, then update-grub2, but it still did not recognise WattOS. os-prober did not give me any readout .. is that normal ? |
| 10:03.24 | dutchfish | themill: sorry wrong channel |
| 10:04.18 | valdyn | agike: its in /var/log/syslog |
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| 10:06.18 | unkmar | sid = testing ??? |
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| 10:09.02 | agike | valdyn: heaps of ouput, more than I can assimilate at the moment. I need some sleep .. I'll catch up later. |
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| 10:14.34 | pythoned | Hi, my uni network is full of viruses/trojans....and sadly I had to use their wifi to do find information about a homework. I'm running squeeze amd64. Is there a chance that I could be infected too? |
| 10:14.51 | valdyn | pythoned: no |
| 10:15.13 | pythoned | I ask because I am a beginner and don't know anything about viruses on gnu/linux platform. |
| 10:16.04 | valdyn | pythoned: the internet is full of viruses / trojans, in that regard your campus is not exactly special |
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| 10:16.23 | pythoned | valdyn: So there's no such things as a virus scanner or things like that. I have to be carefull and not be an idiot(run programs as root)? |
| 10:16.33 | sterna | hi, can i get debug symbols for my rather old glibc package to do a post-mortem on a core file? |
| 10:16.36 | valdyn | pythoned: no, you got that wrong |
| 10:16.59 | valdyn | pythoned: running something as root compromises your whole machine, running something as user compromises all your user data |
| 10:17.05 | sterna | or would i have to load the debug version of the library before running my program to be able to make sense out of a core file? |
| 10:17.06 | Pumba | pythoned: did you search other computers and run any executables you could find (i.e. using wine)? if not, you're probably on the safe side |
| 10:17.37 | pythoned | Pumba: I don't have wine installed. |
| 10:17.47 | valdyn | pythoned: compromising just your user account can be just as bad for your personal files as compromising the whole machine |
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| 10:17.58 | pythoned | pythoned: I only connected to the wireless router in order to browse the web using iceweasel |
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| 10:18.23 | pythoned | valdyn: I see |
| 10:18.30 | pythoned | Thanks ! |
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| 10:18.49 | Pumba | pythoned: you did not catch anything of the campus network then. have a nice weekend :) |
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| 10:19.01 | valdyn | pythoned: av is way overrated on windows just as on linux |
| 10:19.12 | valdyn | pythoned: but its easier to get a trojan on windows |
| 10:19.16 | pythoned | Pumba: Thanks, I wish you the same. |
| 10:19.27 | pythoned | valdyn: Yeah I know, I come from a windows background. |
| 10:19.29 | valdyn | pythoned: av will not help much on any system |
| 10:20.07 | Pumba | "have a nice weekend" actually went out to everyone here ;) bye |
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| 10:30.57 | Flash__ | Accepting the obvious (fragile, no redundancy), are there any other problems with hosting low-traffic websites on adsl? |
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| 10:33.27 | mischievous | Flash__, i presume you can keep your dns updated with your dynamic ip.. |
| 10:33.33 | Flash__ | it's static ip :) |
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| 10:42.25 | wes__ | is away: Gone away for now |
| 10:43.01 | wes__ | is back. |
| 10:44.18 | themill | wes__: please disable public away notifications in #debian. |
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| 10:44.43 | wes__ | themill: i got you. sorry for this |
| 10:44.53 | themill | np |
| 10:46.26 | babilen | !tell wes__ -about away |
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| 10:50.43 | pythoned | I tried to configure my xorg.conf so that tapping my mousepad makes a left click...I restarted the laptop but still tapping on touchpad doesn't work. Any suggestions? |
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| 10:56.15 | wes__ | pythoned: hal? |
| 10:57.09 | pythoned | wes__: I don't know what that is :) |
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| 10:59.07 | wes__ | pythoned: start with this. is your input device section in xorg.xonf similar to this http://paste.kde.org/2522/? |
| 10:59.16 | wes__ | pythoned: * http://paste.kde.org/2522/ |
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| 10:59.59 | babilen | pythoned: Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 11:00.12 | pythoned | wes__: I'll look at this xorg.conf....if it helps I think I have an alps touchpad. |
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| 11:00.19 | pythoned | babilen: Squeeze amd64 |
| 11:01.08 | wes__ | pythoned: all you need is TapButton[1..3] options |
| 11:01.22 | pythoned | wes__: Yes I have them in my xorg.conf |
| 11:01.36 | babilen | pythoned: What is the output of "synclient -l|grep -i tapbutton1" ? Does "synclient TapButton1=1" enable it? |
| 11:01.44 | pythoned | wes__: Option "TapButton3" 3 #multitouch. |
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| 11:02.35 | babilen | ah, left click :) =1 will make it a right click, but you can change that to other values |
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| 11:02.58 | pythoned | babilen: Output is TapButton1 = 0 |
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| 11:05.38 | babilen | pythoned: Well, TapButton1 == "Which mouse button is reported on a non-corner one-finger tap. Set to 0 to disable" -- You probably want to try "synclient TapButton1=2" and try that |
| 11:05.59 | babilen | pythoned: See "man synaptics" for further documentation |
| 11:06.11 | babilen | pythoned: Does that enable it? |
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| 11:06.41 | pythoned | babilen: Hooorayyyy !! Yes it does! |
| 11:06.47 | pythoned | babilen: Thank you so much! |
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| 11:07.07 | wes__ | pythoned: :) grats |
| 11:08.10 | babilen | pythoned: Ok, that is just a temporary solution. I would actually configure that in your xorg.conf -- you need something like: Option "TabButton1" 2 -- in there |
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| 11:08.41 | pythoned | babilen: Ahhh don't think it works correctly. |
| 11:08.43 | babilen | pythoned: TapButton3 is a threefinger tap |
| 11:09.23 | babilen | pythoned: How does it work right now and what were you expecting? |
| 11:09.43 | pythoned | I'll be right back. Have to restart my router |
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| 11:21.56 | lapfrog | LIES |
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| 11:45.13 | dinya | hello all. i use hp photosmart 3183 on my debian sqeezy. unfortunelly, when i print vector documents (e.g., PDF, produced py pdflatex) its look like raster. but when i do this operation under win7, its look like good vector documents. i think, that problem is in "Hpijs is a raster driver" (see http://www.sfr-fresh.com/linux/misc/hplip-3.10.9.tar.gz:a/hplip-3.10.9/prnt/drv/hpijs.drv.in). It's possible to print good-looked vector documents under linux? |
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| 11:46.49 | pozic | How do I enable root logins in proftpd? I added 'RootLogin on' to the configuration, restarted the server, but even from localhost it didn't log me in. |
| 11:47.30 | babilen | pozic: You might want to ask in #proftpd |
| 11:48.18 | babilen | dinya: It sure is -- Let me have a look at linux-printing.org ... Which driver do you use now? |
| 11:48.42 | babilen | err, openprinting :) |
| 11:49.05 | babilen | pozic: And please think twice before enabling that. |
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| 11:52.56 | SvenL- | For those who were there yesterday, I had sound issues and supposed it was related to the kernel. I have added a version 2.6.36 kernel image, and it is working very well now. Issue fixed |
| 11:53.32 | babilen | SvenL-: Enjoy the music then -- Glad that we could help :) |
| 11:54.32 | SvenL- | :) |
| 11:55.17 | SvenL- | The last thing to sort out is the noisy sound from Flash applets after a long idle time ... |
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| 11:58.18 | dinya | babilen, i use hpijs and hp-photosmart_3100_series-hpijs.ppd from hpijs-ppds package |
| 11:59.06 | babilen | yeah, I would use the same PPDs :-\ |
| 11:59.10 | dinya | babilen, and hpcups too |
| 11:59.44 | dinya | babilen, it's possible to do vector? |
| 11:59.47 | babilen | so, any PDF you print looks rasterised? |
| 12:00.07 | babilen | I am by no means a printing expert and I secretely hoped that you were using the wrong PPD ;) |
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| 12:00.22 | ddman | hi, i've an application which uses shmat and it fails arbitrarily. How do i step from the application code into kernel code ? using gdb i can trace through the source but how do i step through the kernel code . |
| 12:00.24 | babilen | #hplip |
| 12:00.29 | dinya | hmm. i try other. but produced by pdflatex -- all |
| 12:01.02 | babilen | so, all files produced by pdflatex look wrong, but other PDFs are OK? |
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| 12:02.42 | dinya | babilen, no. i try produced by dopdf vitrual printer (win7) -- it look raster :( |
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| 12:07.59 | babilen | dinya: Could you try /usr/share/ppd/hpijs/HP/HP-PhotoSmart_c3100_Series-hpijs.ppd please? |
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| 12:08.52 | dinya | babilen, i use it (see dinya> babilen, i use hpijs and hp-photosmart_3100_series-hpijs.ppd from hpijs-ppds package) |
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| 12:09.34 | babilen | dinya: note the "c" ;) (assuming you have indeed the C one) |
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| 12:10.21 | dinya | babilen, oh. thx, i try :) |
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| 12:12.23 | babilen | dinya: And check your cups log -- it might report some errors or more information on what is happening. Use, for example, tail -f /var/log/cups/error.log (access.log / page_log) |
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| 12:18.22 | xmb | where to get /bin/ar |
| 12:19.16 | streuner_ | judd, find /bin/ar |
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| 12:19.57 | xmb | nah man ima starting to deboostrap soon on a nas a debian |
| 12:20.04 | vlad | where i can get mercurial >1.4 for my Debian 5.0 |
| 12:20.05 | xmb | need to unpack debootstrap.deb ar etc |
| 12:20.09 | babilen | judd: file bin/ar |
| 12:20.11 | judd | bin/ar in lenny/i386: binutils: usr/bin/ar; binutils-multiarch: usr/bin/ar; binutils-m68hc1x: usr/m68hc11/bin/ar; binutils-h8300-hms: usr/h8300-hitachi-coff/bin/ar; mingw32-binutils: usr/i586-mingw32msvc/bin/ar; binutils-avr: usr/lib/avr/bin/ar |
| 12:20.12 | vlad | ? |
| 12:20.25 | xmb | merci |
| 12:20.27 | xmb | but |
| 12:20.37 | xmb | i need a non.deb source initially |
| 12:20.38 | babilen | xmb: dpkg-deb -x debootstrap.deb /the/path/where/you/want/to/unpack/it |
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| 12:21.05 | xmb | where to get dpkg-deb |
| 12:21.12 | babilen | !apt-file |
| 12:21.12 | dpkg | auto-apt is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <auto-apt>, <dlocate>. |
| 12:21.18 | babilen | ,file dpkg-deb |
| 12:21.21 | judd | dpkg-deb in lenny/i386: dpkg: usr/bin/dpkg-deb |
| 12:21.27 | babilen | surprise! |
| 12:21.47 | babilen | ,versions mercurial |
| 12:21.49 | judd | Package mercurial on i386 -- etch: 0.9.1-1+etch1; etch-backports: 1.0.1-5.1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.0.1-5.1; lenny-backports: 1.3.1-1~bpo50+2; sid: 1.6.4-1; squeeze: 1.6.4-1; experimental: 1.7.2-1 |
| 12:21.55 | dinya | babilen, unfortunely, i think no way :( -- i tried both hp-photosmart_3100_series-hpijs.ppd and hp-photosmart_c3100_series-hpijs.ppd |
| 12:22.00 | xmb | sorry for my unaccuracy, ... , i wanna install debian on a non debian system + it doesnt have /bin/ar , how to get either ar or a binary of dpkg-deb or udeb or something |
| 12:22.06 | babilen | !tell vlad -about ssb |
| 12:23.14 | babilen | xmb: You might want to debootstrap from a debian based live cd (e.g. grml or debian-live) |
| 12:23.33 | xmb | well its a nas |
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| 12:23.37 | xmb | no cd, just hd |
| 12:23.50 | Arrowmaster | still, debootstrap is the proper method |
| 12:23.52 | xmb | im a linux pro so i know what im doing ... however i need a binary of ar or something |
| 12:24.11 | babilen | xmb: You can put a live cd on an usb stick -- you are sure that you don't have ar around? which distro are you using? |
| 12:24.31 | xmb | its a armv4 nas with a 25mb linux system |
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| 12:24.43 | xmb | no vga port |
| 12:26.34 | xmb | i would skript sometime a inside+archive access smallsystem for snapshot.debian.org |
| 12:26.41 | xmb | ah well i still need an arm /bin/ar |
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| 12:26.52 | streuner_ | xmb: How about to put the HD into a destopsystem and make the changes then? |
| 12:27.01 | xmb | hmhm |
| 12:27.05 | xmb | hai streun |
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| 12:27.18 | xmb | no chance |
| 12:27.22 | xmb | cause |
| 12:27.24 | xmb | the nas is arm |
| 12:27.27 | xmb | desktops here are macs |
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| 12:27.48 | babilen | dinya: what about the logs? anything insightful? it is strange because most comments indicate that the printer should be well supported |
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| 12:29.03 | babilen | xmb: You could compile gnu's binutils yourself -- http://www.gnu.org/software/binutils/ |
| 12:29.53 | xmb | it aint having gcc also long way but merci im considering it |
| 12:29.55 | dinya | babilen, may i send you log? |
| 12:30.04 | babilen | dinya: http://paste.debian.net |
| 12:30.10 | xmb | i cant find a v5 cd for arm |
| 12:30.45 | xmb | k |
| 12:30.47 | xmb | it was the mirror |
| 12:30.51 | xmb | was very inkompliit |
| 12:31.05 | babilen | xmb: So, you basically need "ar" for arm? I could unpack it and put it online :-\ |
| 12:31.16 | xmb | yeah i would need it yecsz |
| 12:31.24 | babilen | yecsz? |
| 12:31.31 | xmb | im atm downloading a whole cd + ' yes' |
| 12:31.36 | babilen | hehe :) |
| 12:31.53 | Arrowmaster | you could just download the package for arm and open it on a different system |
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| 12:32.12 | xmb | im not having a linux around |
| 12:32.16 | streuner_ | xmb: http://weda.mine.nu/ar <-- ar (lenny,arm) |
| 12:32.29 | dinya | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/104675/ |
| 12:32.36 | xmb | yecsz merci schtreun |
| 12:32.36 | babilen | streuner_: yay :) |
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| 12:35.26 | dinya | babilen, first attempts were via eog, last via okular |
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| 12:36.00 | xmb | streuner_: are u up for a few more sw kopiying ? libbfd-2.18.0.20080103.so |
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| 12:36.52 | xmb | rather |
| 12:36.57 | xmb | get me debootstrap |
| 12:37.06 | xmb | and the deps ( whenever there are) |
| 12:37.15 | babilen | dinya: The logs indicate that the PDF has errors (see e.g. line 349-368) -- could you try with, e.g. /usr/share/doc/tex-common/README.Debian.pdf.gz (unpack it first) |
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| 12:39.15 | streuner_ | xmb: you are able to get the files yourself via packages.debian.org |
| 12:39.36 | streuner_ | xmb: now you have "ar" :-) |
| 12:39.39 | xmb | yeah but i need some libfd for ar |
| 12:39.44 | streuner_ | uh |
| 12:39.50 | streuner_ | one second |
| 12:39.51 | xmb | its a 25mb sys |
| 12:39.54 | xmb | k merci |
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| 12:40.56 | streuner_ | judd, find libbfd-2.18.0.20080103.so |
| 12:41.37 | xmb | heh that sys doesnt even have find |
| 12:41.52 | babilen | dinya: I have to go, sorry. You could also try #cups if you want to debug the issue. Try printing with "lpr" as well ... |
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| 12:42.00 | babilen | streuner_: It is "file" not "find" |
| 12:42.08 | babilen | ,file libbfd-2.18.0.20080103.so |
| 12:42.10 | judd | libbfd-2.18.0.20080103.so in lenny/i386: binutils: usr/lib/libbfd-2.18.0.20080103.so |
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| 12:44.00 | streuner_ | xmb: http://weda.mine.nu/libbfd-2.18.0.20080103.so |
| 12:45.03 | xmb | IB-NAS4210-B> ./ar |
| 12:45.03 | xmb | Bus error (core dumped) |
| 12:45.03 | xmb | :/ |
| 12:45.04 | dinya | babilen, thanks. /usr/share/doc/tex-common/README.Debian.pdf.gz has raster too ;9 |
| 12:45.06 | dinya | :( |
| 12:45.18 | xmb | can u get me the debbootstrap ? its a skript i think, dunno about its deps |
| 12:45.28 | xmb | ,file debootstrap |
| 12:45.31 | judd | debootstrap in lenny/i386: debootstrap: usr/sbin/debootstrap; cdebootstrap: usr/bin/cdebootstrap; live-helper: usr/bin/lh_bootstrap_cdebootstrap, usr/bin/lh_bootstrap_debootstrap; ganeti-instance-debootstrap: etc/default/ganeti-instance-debootstrap; util-vserver: usr/lib/util-vserver/vserver-build.debootstrap; bootcd-backup: usr/share/doc/bootcd-backup/examples/bootcddebootstrap; ltsp- |
| 12:45.33 | judd | server: usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Debian/010-debootstrap, usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/010-debootstrap |
| 12:45.36 | Arrowmaster | just needs wget |
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| 12:47.31 | xmb | streun, the situation : a armv4 nas with ruut akcess, i wanna install deb on it |
| 12:47.42 | xmb | maybe not over the root cause i dunno if the reset key is working |
| 12:48.01 | xmb | just deb and some server apps |
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| 12:50.02 | user | hello, how do i permenantly add java path to ubuntu as it never finds java when i run it via ssh |
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| 12:50.41 | xmb | user, add it to .bashrc |
| 12:50.51 | AimHere | The Unix way of doing this would be to add it to .profile or .bash_profile or .bashrc |
| 12:50.59 | xmb | streuner_ |
| 12:51.43 | user | ah ok, so if java is in /usr/local/java2.1/ what would the command be? |
| 12:52.23 | xmb | user, is there a /bin/ dir inside |
| 12:52.26 | xmb | if so |
| 12:52.32 | xmb | the kommand to add in .bashrc would be |
| 12:52.46 | xmb | PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/java2.1/bin/ |
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| 12:52.53 | xmb | otherwise its without the bin |
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| 12:53.05 | user | thankyou |
| 12:53.09 | xmb | =) |
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| 12:53.39 | babilen | user: Please note that this is *not* an Ubuntu support channel -- Try #ubuntu |
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| 12:55.13 | xmb | babilen |
| 12:55.26 | xmb | could u extract me debootstrap |
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| 12:57.08 | sedulous | let's say i have a file system on a host and would like to provide some virtual machines with subdirectories of it. NFS sounds good tho how could I approach it if I can't fully trust the VMs? do I really need a full fledged Kerberos & LDAP setup? |
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| 12:58.20 | thewanderer1 | sedulous: yes you bloody do |
| 12:58.37 | sedulous | thewanderer1: that sounds like a lot of work for a couple of VMs |
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| 12:59.04 | thewanderer1 | sedulous: yes, I know... if you want to keep it simple, use SSH with SFTP for example |
| 12:59.14 | xmb | yecsz i got debootstrap |
| 12:59.16 | thewanderer1 | well... |
| 12:59.16 | xmb | as its a script |
| 12:59.24 | sedulous | thewanderer1: what about CIFS with POSIX extensions? |
| 12:59.27 | thewanderer1 | sedulous: you can use physical link security and IP addresses |
| 12:59.31 | thewanderer1 | sedulous: avoid that crap |
| 12:59.45 | thewanderer1 | you can lock down VM's to a single IP/MAC address and use host auth |
| 13:00.01 | xmb | oops no perl or gcc |
| 13:00.03 | babilen | afs? |
| 13:00.05 | sedulous | thewanderer1: yeah, that approach would be reasonable for my setup |
| 13:00.18 | sedulous | KVM can lock down the MAC, right? |
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| 13:00.30 | thewanderer1 | sedulous: no, but iptables+ebtables can |
| 13:00.38 | thewanderer1 | sedulous: are you running KVM in libvirt or standalone? |
| 13:00.39 | sedulous | great |
| 13:00.43 | sedulous | libvirt |
| 13:00.56 | thewanderer1 | sedulous: use libvirt's firewall, then |
| 13:00.59 | thewanderer1 | (clean-traffic) |
| 13:01.24 | xmb | ,file pkgdefails |
| 13:01.26 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 13:01.34 | sedulous | thewanderer1: cool. i'll look into that. |
| 13:01.44 | xmb | ,find pkgdetails |
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| 13:02.01 | babilen | xmb: /query judd ;) |
| 13:02.05 | xmb | k |
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| 13:05.34 | xmb | so the current status : debootstrap asks for pkgdetails[.c], no idea about that |
| 13:05.38 | xmb | help on that please |
| 13:05.51 | vlt | Hello. Is it possible to assign a LABEL to a LUKS formatted block device? |
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| 13:06.35 | xmb | i bet it is, dunno how |
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| 13:11.01 | nirazio | Is there a way to show the history of installed packages that were installed by apt-get via commandline? |
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| 13:11.17 | simonrvn | look in /var/log |
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| 13:11.43 | simonrvn | there's a bunch, dpkg.log , apt* ... |
| 13:12.08 | simonrvn | system logs almost always go there in /var/log |
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| 13:13.23 | xmb | trying now with a cd |
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| 13:18.38 | lkeijser | anyone knows how i can switch between apache2-mpm-prefork and -worker ? |
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| 13:21.43 | babilen | lkeijser: Just install whatever you want to use (i would use -worker if you don't want to run PHP (and who wants that anyway?)) |
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| 13:22.13 | garulf | Hi... why i can't mount my ext hd with a ntfs filesystem. I look at /dev/sdb and seems it belongs to floppy group. I added my user to floppy group and setuid the binary ntfs-3g. |
| 13:22.26 | lkeijser | babilen: it's more of a matter what my client wants to run, which is php unfortunately |
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| 13:23.09 | osunix | Help me please! |
| 13:23.16 | osunix | hello |
| 13:23.30 | osunix | My system is updated! |
| 13:23.50 | osunix | But my graphic cart driver cannot work correctly! |
| 13:24.01 | babilen | !enter |
| 13:24.01 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 13:24.33 | babilen | lkeijser: So, you basically want to run both? And only use -prefork if PHP enters the stage? (for specific clients) |
| 13:24.45 | thewanderer1 | lkeijser: remove worker, install prefork - or the other way round |
| 13:24.48 | garulf | osunix, have you an nvidia card? |
| 13:24.54 | osunix | yeah! |
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| 13:25.10 | garulf | osunix, have you updated the kernel? |
| 13:25.17 | babilen | osunix: Please paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log and the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" to http://paste.debian.net |
| 13:25.19 | osunix | yeah |
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| 13:25.37 | osunix | wait |
| 13:25.41 | Lantizia | Can someone remind me where the archived etch repo is? |
| 13:25.48 | babilen | !archive |
| 13:25.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 13:26.01 | osunix | result |
| 13:26.02 | osunix | 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation C79 [GeForce 9200M G] [10de:086f] (rev b1) |
| 13:26.08 | garulf | osunix, You have to reinstall nvidia drivers, because is a module and depends on the kernel |
| 13:26.19 | osunix | Just? |
| 13:26.54 | garulf | osunix, i think so.. |
| 13:27.16 | osunix | Ok |
| 13:27.20 | osunix | thanks! |
| 13:27.32 | garulf | osunix, tell me if it'll work |
| 13:27.59 | osunix | Sure! |
| 13:28.16 | lkeijser | babilen: i want to see if my load problems are related to -prefork |
| 13:29.01 | lkeijser | but on second thought that seems silly |
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| 13:37.06 | garulf | someone can point me where i can find any information to make automounting of external ntfs filesystem possible to a normal user? |
| 13:37.22 | babilen | !user accessible ntfs |
| 13:37.22 | dpkg | To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field. |
| 13:37.34 | babilen | !ntfs-3g |
| 13:37.34 | dpkg | it has been said that ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance, packaged for Debian. Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 13:37.47 | garulf | i said automount |
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| 13:41.19 | Rusty1 | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=50790 << garulf |
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| 13:42.06 | EagleScreen | How to back up the root filesystem and the MBR? on order to can restore my full actual system and boot |
| 13:42.42 | wolfric | in reference to this: http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Howtousevlan.28dot1q.2C802.1q.2Ctrunk.29.28Etch.2CLenny.29 can debian take a trunk line directly from a cisco switch? |
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| 13:43.04 | osunix | garulf: nvidia reinstalled |
| 13:43.23 | osunix | my 3D can running |
| 13:43.35 | osunix | But I see errors on installing! |
| 13:43.54 | osunix | about gcc version check failed! |
| 13:44.00 | osunix | libglx.so |
| 13:44.41 | osunix | garulf: this is not good . yeah? |
| 13:45.08 | osunix | every body please help me |
| 13:45.37 | osunix | when I install nvidia driver I see gcc check version failed error! |
| 13:45.47 | osunix | what I am doing? |
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| 13:46.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: nvidia |
| 13:46.50 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 13:46.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | osunix: ^^ |
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| 13:49.28 | osunix | thanks |
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| 13:54.29 | PrickelPit | hello. what to do to get pidgin connecting icq again under lenny? |
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| 13:55.35 | thewanderer1 | wolfric: "take" meaning what exactly? |
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| 14:02.59 | neil_d | does anyone know when the time_t changed from a 4 byte to an 8 byte number? |
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| 14:03.24 | anto | it is always starting in white bg with black fg |
| 14:03.32 | anto | hi...how can i set the default background color and foreground color for my xterm? |
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| 14:03.43 | anto | i was to reverse it..how can i set this, so that everytime i start xterm, it shows in my preferred colors |
| 14:05.27 | thewanderer1 | neil_d: something like 3-4 years ago I guess |
| 14:05.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | man page should explain it |
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| 14:08.17 | neil_d | thewanderer1: ok.. thanks... I have to figure another way around this. |
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| 14:13.04 | omry | just dist upgraded from lenny to squeeze, and I have a networking problem at boot: init.d/networking outputs something about it being deprecated, and I only get network after I ifup eth0. any idea? |
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| 14:13.40 | daemonkeeper | Be more verbose and provide concrete outputs (-> paste bin of your choice) |
| 14:15.08 | omry | daemonkeeper, when I boot my eth0 interface is down. |
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| 14:15.49 | omry | if I try to restart networking its still down (/etc/init.d/networking restart) and I get this warning: Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces .. |
| 14:16.38 | omry | daemonkeeper, after I run ifup eth0, the interface gets up (fetching some dhcp info and then works). |
| 14:17.34 | thewanderer1 | omry: do you have the interface set to "auto" in interfaces |
| 14:17.35 | thewanderer1 | ? |
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| 14:18.45 | omry | thewanderer1, bingo. I think thats it. |
| 14:19.01 | omry | my interfaces got messed up after the dist-upgrade and looks like this bit was missing. |
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| 14:19.26 | omry | networking restart now brings it up, just need to reboot check it. thanks. |
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| 14:39.39 | ymas | hello everyone, as an exercise, I'm trying to compile PHP 5.3.5 on Debian Lenny. After I run make test, I get the following Failed Test Summary, http://pastebin.com/Ut45jep4 Can these issues be fixed. PS. This is a virtual server that is on my workstation and no in production use. |
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| 14:41.08 | garulf | ls |
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| 14:42.00 | thewanderer1 | ymas: unclean compile? bugs in PHP itself? |
| 14:43.07 | ymas | thewanderer1: I haven't compiled anything yet, I just did ./configure, make and make test |
| 14:43.58 | thewanderer1 | hmm... then I bet on library incompatibilities (did you read the included instruction file?) or PHP bugs |
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| 14:45.50 | garulf | Hi, i'm trying to make automounting ntfs from gnome work as normal user. I double check everything. Seems some right permission problem buut i'm in the rights group (plugdev, fuse). Seems like this unreproducible tagged bug : http://bit.ly/ei56GW. |
| 14:46.29 | garulf | i'm using sqeeze amd64 version |
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| 14:50.24 | wolfric | are there lists anywhere that say what the differences are in packages if you install from a net install cd without actually connecting to the internet/repositories |
| 14:51.17 | wolfric | i thought it was just the same only you couldn't install any of the packages in the list such as desktop enviroment or file server but then i found simple things were missing like "less" |
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| 14:52.58 | daemonkeeper | No you get a pure base installation in that case. This is, as the name suggests, the most basic combination of packets everyone needs (according to Debian) |
| 14:53.30 | thewanderer1 | netinst only contains "essential" priority packages |
| 14:53.56 | thewanderer1 | `scanimage -L` is hanging indefinitely and not a single program can get a scanner list. sane-find-scanner works though. what gives? |
| 14:54.24 | daemonkeeper | Which is basically nothing than a shell, a kernel some basic utilities and everything Debian needs to run dpkg/apt |
| 14:55.41 | sedulous | does anyone have a repo for the Sun/Oracle JRE 7 (beta)? |
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| 15:01.23 | deb_newb | Help! I just installed 5.0.7 and cannot get my Wifi card working. It uses a Broadcom BCM4318 chipset. Is it possible to configure it WITHOUT internet connectivity? |
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| 15:01.50 | deb_newb | I.e., I don't have working internet (yet) on this machine |
| 15:03.02 | thewanderer1 | deb_newb: you need to download or otherwise transfer some files to the machine |
| 15:03.08 | daemonkeeper | http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 15:03.23 | thewanderer1 | basically getting ethernet to work is the easy way |
| 15:03.34 | deb_newb | thewanderer1: yes, I tried that, but it keeps asking for more files... I feel like this is pointless |
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| 15:05.05 | deb_newb | I looked at that ethernet page... it's a mess... isn't there some straightforward way to make it work? |
| 15:05.47 | deb_newb | What is Lenny? What is Squeeze? I'm a noob... these words are meaningless |
| 15:05.49 | thewanderer1 | ehm... plug in the RJ45 connector, run a DHCP client |
| 15:06.14 | deb_newb | plug in to what? I only have wireless |
| 15:06.46 | delby | where do i set systemwide preferences for iceweasel? there seems to be several files and i am not sure where is the most appropriate. /etc/iceweasel/pref/iceweasel.js /etc/iceweasel/profile/prefs.js /usr/share/iceweasel/browserconfig.properties /usr/lib/iceweasel/defaults/preferences |
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| 15:08.20 | cahoot | deb_newb: see here: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 15:08.50 | deb_newb | Are there any wifi cards that really actaully work out of the box with Debian? This is the second card that I've tried and it looks like a total mess. The first one was an Atheros chipset and it just cased the Debian installer to crash when trying to recognize the hardware. |
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| 15:10.08 | daemonkeeper | Things got even worse with Squeeze |
| 15:10.28 | daemonkeeper | Or will be worse. |
| 15:10.45 | thewanderer1 | well, running proprietary drivers on Debian is increasingly hard |
| 15:11.01 | daemonkeeper | Unless you have no alternative ;) |
| 15:11.17 | daemonkeeper | Unless you have no alternative the non-free repositories |
| 15:11.19 | daemonkeeper | That way I mean |
| 15:11.47 | thewanderer1 | perhaps Debian is not the best in the out-of-the-box experience competition :P |
| 15:11.59 | daemonkeeper | heh, signed that |
| 15:12.42 | deb_newb | cahoot: that Wiki pages gives a thumbs up to the Atheros chipset, but my Atheros-Wifi card crashes the Debian installer. Do you have a link to some better documentation? |
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| 15:13.45 | cahoot | no |
| 15:14.29 | thewanderer1 | deb_newb: perhaps you should try the Squeeze installer |
| 15:14.40 | thewanderer1 | it's possible to add firmware to it |
| 15:14.48 | deb_newb | thewanderer1: what's Squeeze? |
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| 15:15.18 | thewanderer1 | !tell deb_newb about squeeze |
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| 15:16.57 | deb_newb | thewanderer1: I'm hesitant to take that route, because it seems like there is always *some other* file that is needed, some kernel headers or whatever... I am ready to buy wireless card #3 if it avoids another 6-8 hours of hassle. |
| 15:17.33 | thewanderer1 | deb_newb: have you already installed Debian or are you during the process |
| 15:17.35 | thewanderer1 | > |
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| 15:18.55 | thewanderer1 | (I can't check the chat backlog - I closed and reopened the IRC client a few times since the beginning) |
| 15:19.03 | deb_newb | thewanderer1: I have it installed. I am trying to configure the wifi card now but something is missing... firmware maybe... when I try "ifconfig wlan0 up", I get an error "Cannot assign requested address" |
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| 15:19.31 | thewanderer1 | deb_newb: ok... run the network using an Ethernet cable |
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| 15:20.19 | deb_newb | thewanderer1: if I had something to connect to, that would be easy, but I only have wireless |
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| 15:21.02 | thewanderer1 | so where are you pulling the files from? |
| 15:21.14 | thewanderer1 | (the packages, or the ISO for the installer at least) |
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| 15:22.03 | deb_newb | thewanderer1: which packages? I have the install CD and DVD1... that got the basic system installed, but something else is missing, I guess |
| 15:22.04 | thewanderer1 | cause admittedly Broadcom is very problematic in Linux |
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| 15:22.20 | thewanderer1 | deb_newb: okay... so do you have any other computers connected to the Internet? |
| 15:22.32 | thewanderer1 | you could share the network connection between machines |
| 15:22.41 | deb_newb | thewanderer1: okay, is there another card that is known to just work out of the box? |
| 15:23.13 | thewanderer1 | deb_newb: almost no card will work right after the installation... |
| 15:23.23 | daemonkeeper | Problem is, most Wifi cards either require you to install an out-of-tree driver or a non-free firmware. |
| 15:23.27 | deb_newb | this computer is connected, but I don't have a cross-over cable. |
| 15:23.30 | daemonkeeper | Both will cause you trouble. |
| 15:23.42 | deb_newb | sigh |
| 15:23.49 | thewanderer1 | deb_newb: if you're lucky, one of the computers might already perform the crossing automagically |
| 15:24.01 | thewanderer1 | some modern computers offer this functionality |
| 15:24.11 | thewanderer1 | well, hardware vendors are to blame :P |
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| 15:24.32 | daemonkeeper | (and a bit Debian as well. Although I truly support free software) |
| 15:24.43 | satellit_ | hub plus 2 cables = crossover |
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| 15:25.20 | deb_newb | i see... okay, so it sounds like trying to make this one work is probably about the same as looking for a "better" card |
| 15:26.08 | thewanderer1 | I used Intel Wireless 3100 (or similar called) and it worked well, but required a non-free package which I downloaded via ethernet cable connection |
| 15:26.24 | daemonkeeper | deb_newb: *harrumph* I can't believe I'm saying that, but you might want to give Ubuntu a try. This comes around most of this issues because they just don't care (that much) |
| 15:26.25 | thewanderer1 | still, it was easier than compiling lots of crap from Broadcom |
| 15:26.42 | thewanderer1 | well, in Ubuntu the card will most probably Just Work |
| 15:26.47 | daemonkeeper | Yeah |
| 15:27.27 | thewanderer1 | Ubuntu is a good starting point for learning, at least it used to be 4 years ago, don't know about now |
| 15:27.35 | deb_newb | I tried Ubuntu, but the application I want to run needs Debian |
| 15:27.43 | thewanderer1 | deb_newb: what application is that? |
| 15:27.51 | daemonkeeper | You can assume, it runs on Ubuntu as well |
| 15:28.00 | daemonkeeper | Regardless what it states |
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| 15:28.27 | deb_newb | It's here: http://shotdetect.nonutc.fr/?page_id=6 |
| 15:28.29 | daemonkeeper | thewanderer1: Hasn't changed that much. You probably won't learn that much anymore, since Ubuntu used to think for its users more and more |
| 15:28.58 | thewanderer1 | deb_newb: download the source and compile it yourself |
| 15:29.01 | deb_newb | ...and the documentation says "Download the debian stable package here (doesn’t work on ubuntu yet)" |
| 15:29.17 | thewanderer1 | deb_newb: you can also run Debian in a virtual machine as well, or better - in a chroot under Ubuntu |
| 15:29.42 | deb_newb | ...which was surprising to me, because I though if it worked on Debian it would work on Ubuntu, but the developer's note says "no" |
| 15:29.43 | daemonkeeper | Yes, compile it on your own. This is less hassle rather than fiddling around with your driver if you have no alternative to get it work. |
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| 15:30.33 | daemonkeeper | deb_newb: The package seems to be targetting Debian stable. Hence it may break with non-ABI compatible newer libraries, Ubuntu used to ship |
| 15:31.02 | deb_newb | daemonkeeper: so, you think it would work with a newer version of Ubuntu? |
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| 15:31.21 | daemonkeeper | That given package no, if the author states that. You can always compile it on your own |
| 15:31.36 | thewanderer1 | so... get the tarball and compile it yourself |
| 15:31.40 | daemonkeeper | This will circumvent such problems (unless there were API changes as well) |
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| 15:31.47 | deb_newb | ok |
| 15:31.54 | thewanderer1 | there are some solutions, though... |
| 15:32.13 | thewanderer1 | I can recall at least 1 hosting provider that offers remote desktop access |
| 15:32.31 | thewanderer1 | it's an option if you need a Debian-enabled machine accessible at all times |
| 15:32.33 | deb_newb | you mean a VPS? |
| 15:32.42 | thewanderer1 | VPS, dedicated server, whatever |
| 15:33.00 | deb_newb | hmmm.. ok |
| 15:33.05 | thewanderer1 | or you can set up your own VM on your computer if its parameters allow for that |
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| 15:33.33 | deb_newb | okay, so that would be like "plan B" if the app really doesn't work on Ubuntu, correct? |
| 15:33.44 | thewanderer1 | yes, these are your options |
| 15:33.59 | deb_newb | ok |
| 15:34.05 | thewanderer1 | with a VM being free, and getting Debian hosted somewhere obviously not :P |
| 15:34.08 | daemonkeeper | Or just keep your Debian and download packages as suggested in advance |
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| 15:35.03 | thewanderer1 | deb_newb: I just got an idea... |
| 15:35.09 | deb_newb | ok |
| 15:35.15 | thewanderer1 | what method were you using to obtain the Broadcom drivers? |
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| 15:35.53 | deb_newb | thewanderer1: I was downloading to this machine, copying to USB stick, and then plugging that into the Debian box |
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| 15:36.30 | daemonkeeper | That is fine. Just make sure you download dependencies as well. They aren't _that_ many for your diver |
| 15:36.31 | daemonkeeper | driver |
| 15:36.36 | thewanderer1 | and "this machine" is running what OS? |
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| 15:37.06 | daemonkeeper | ah, thewanderer1 wants you to chroot into your Debian ;) |
| 15:37.51 | thewanderer1 | rather make a chroot/VM here and let apt-get resolve dependencies so that you get all packages in the cache, ready to be copied to the pendrive |
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| 15:38.09 | deb_newb | thewanderer1: this machine is running MacOS |
| 15:38.33 | thewanderer1 | deb_newb: is it capable of running a virtual machine? |
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| 15:39.01 | daemonkeeper | Yes |
| 15:39.07 | deb_newb | thewanderer1: i don't know... it's a G4 powerbook... kinda whimpy |
| 15:39.16 | thewanderer1 | hmm... |
| 15:39.42 | g105b | Hi, I'm new teaching myself and have a question. Is the only difference between apt-get and aptitude the fact that aptitude has an interactive user interface? are the packages installed exactly the same between both? |
| 15:39.49 | thewanderer1 | deb_newb: and what arch/release is the target computer? i386 debian stable? |
| 15:40.11 | deb_newb | thewanderer1: I'm trying your earlier suggestion to connect the ethernet cable and go through that... not sure how to get that going though... poking at it now... |
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| 15:40.26 | deb_newb | yes, it's i386 debian 5.0.7 |
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| 15:40.43 | thewanderer1 | deb_newb: well ok. basically if you see signal LEDs turned on at both sides of the cable, you have some form of connectivity |
| 15:40.54 | thewanderer1 | then you would enable routing on the mac |
| 15:41.47 | thewanderer1 | g105b: historically, they used different resolver algorithms (for dependencies etc.) but now they use the same, so besides some parameters to the algorithm, everything is the same in operation |
| 15:42.08 | thewanderer1 | (parameters being: respecting "Recommends" fields, multiple outcomes) |
| 15:42.37 | g105b | thewanderer1: cheers# |
| 15:43.00 | thewanderer1 | and both use dpkg to install packages, so the package handling is the same when it comes to atomic operations (on a single package) |
| 15:43.07 | deb_newb | thewanderer1: on the PC, there are both green and amber lights on where the cable is connected. I'm not sure how to enable routing on the Mac. I don't see anything obvious. |
| 15:43.48 | thewanderer1 | deb_newb: this should be described somehow in the user manual... at least if this product of Apple supports it at all :P |
| 15:45.00 | thewanderer1 | for example, for OS X 10.5 this is described at http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=mac/10.5/en/8156.html |
| 15:47.13 | deb_newb | thewanderer1: thanks... that's the doc I want.. nice and simple... trying it now... |
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| 15:47.41 | g105b | I am setting up a mail server for the first time... in the postfix configuration, I am asked for the fully qualified hostname. The domain name pointing to my server is say "mydomain.com" ... is this what I need to type in? |
| 15:47.58 | g105b | or should I drop the '.com' part? |
| 15:48.10 | maher | i don't understand xmodmap - I'm trying to remap the F12 key to a new key, but Alt-F12 seems different on the new key |
| 15:48.14 | Dis0 | Hi, i cant launch any terminal when i use scrotwm (but i can launch other apps) any ideas why? |
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| 15:48.42 | thewanderer1 | g105b: you give the full domain name |
| 15:49.06 | g105b | thewanderer1: thanks, just wanted someone to confirm that for me :) |
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| 15:52.34 | Bartzy | how can I know where ld takes its libraries from ATM ? |
| 15:52.39 | deb_newb | thewanderer1: I have an ethernet cable connected and sharing/forwarding enabled on the Mac, but cannot connect from the Debian box. Not routing and when I try ping Debian says "Network is unreachable" |
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| 15:52.56 | Bartzy | I want to know if ATM, it takes libraries from /usr/local/lib as well as /usr/lib... or only from /usr/lib... |
| 15:54.18 | thewanderer1 | deb_newb: okay, how were you trying to connect from Debian? |
| 15:54.37 | thewanderer1 | and which IP address were you pinging? |
| 15:54.56 | deb_newb | I tried to ping the ip address of the mac on the other end of the cable, and I tried to open firefox |
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| 15:58.03 | deb_newb | ok, now ping is working! |
| 15:58.25 | mark22 | Hello, is it possible to change SSHd to only accept connections for certain users if they connect from certain IPs and for other users from different IPs? |
| 15:58.44 | deb_newb | ...but DNS still not working... hmm... |
| 15:58.56 | g105b | Can anyone recommend methods of logging & viewing server status, activity, memory usage, bandwidth, etc. in the browser? |
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| 16:00.03 | deb_newb | dunno.. no dns |
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| 16:00.21 | nevyn | mark22: changing sshd is not nessicary |
| 16:00.26 | nevyn | mark22: configuring it is. |
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| 16:02.04 | deb_newb | thewanderer1: I set up DNS server addresses on the Mac, but no joy when trying "ping www.google.com" on the debian box |
| 16:02.06 | babilen | deb_newb: Can you ping, for example, 4.2.2.4 or 8.8.8.8 ? |
| 16:02.18 | mark22 | nevyn: and where can I configure this? |
| 16:02.34 | mark22 | or do you know for what option I shoud look? |
| 16:03.14 | thewanderer1 | deb_newb: ok, can you ping the Debian machine from the mac and the mac from Debian? |
| 16:03.15 | deb_newb | babilen: no, I can't ping 4.2.2.4 ... I guess that means it's not really routing out to the net? |
| 16:03.26 | Aenigma | deb_newb: you have a dhcp server |
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| 16:03.32 | yoshio | Bartzy, see /etc/ld.so.conf and /etc/ls.do.conf.d |
| 16:03.53 | Bartzy | yoshio: Yeah, but that doesn't mean what's on RIGHT NOW..... only ldconfig will make this "live" |
| 16:04.06 | Bartzy | so I wanted to know if there's an option to see what's actually on the lib path right now... |
| 16:04.11 | babilen | deb_newb: exactly |
| 16:04.20 | deb_newb | thewanderer1: yes, each one can ping the other |
| 16:04.26 | nevyn | mark22: in sshd_config |
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| 16:04.35 | deb_newb | Aenigma: I just used static addresses |
| 16:04.53 | thewanderer1 | deb_newb: have you set a correct gateway? |
| 16:05.04 | Aenigma | deb_newb: you just have to configure the gateway. I think that's all you need. |
| 16:05.34 | deb_newb | gateway is the address of the mac that the Debian box is talking to, or something else? |
| 16:05.37 | ilembitov | Hi, all. I have installed Squeeze RC1 from CD1, but it looks like it didn't really install all the packages that were coming with my selected groups (such as Graphical environment and Laptop). How do I automatically get all those packages? |
| 16:05.52 | maher | deb_newb: did you set e dns server in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:05.52 | nevyn | mark22: http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?sshd_config+5 see the bit about denyusers in particular User@host |
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| 16:06.10 | Aenigma | deb_newb: should be your router. |
| 16:06.27 | Aenigma | maher: he can't reach outside his network. he just pinged 8.8.8.8 |
| 16:06.41 | jhutchins_lt | ilembitov: Does it have network working? |
| 16:07.00 | deb_newb | Aenigma: "router"... you mean the wireless router that is connected to the WAN? |
| 16:07.02 | mark22 | nevyn: thank you, with this I should be able to solve the problem :) |
| 16:07.15 | Aenigma | deb_newb: yes. Unless you're trying to do something abnormal, of course. |
| 16:07.18 | nevyn | mark22: and allowedusers |
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| 16:07.27 | nevyn | which also accepts user@host syntax |
| 16:08.19 | mark22 | hopefully it can increase the security a litle bit, thanks for pointing in the correct direction |
| 16:08.48 | Aenigma | you should be able to add the gateway by typing in "route add default gw IPADDRESSOFGATEWAY"; make sure you can actually access the gateway by pinging it first. |
| 16:09.07 | nevyn | mark22: honestly.. a far better improvment is to move to keys if you havn't already |
| 16:09.08 | deb_newb | ok, so for the gateway on the Debian box, I put in the Ip address of the wireless router, but I still cannot ping www.google.com |
| 16:09.17 | mark22 | we use keys |
| 16:09.30 | Aenigma | deb_newb: do you have a DNS server set as well? |
| 16:09.39 | Aenigma | see if you can ping 8.8.8.8 now |
| 16:09.47 | deb_newb | I cannot ping the gateway from the Debian box |
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| 16:10.05 | mark22 | but besides the key I also like to limit access to certain users to certain hosts (reboot/shutdown users and other "important" users) |
| 16:10.20 | nevyn | mark22: I understand restricting logins from some interfaces.. but |
| 16:10.21 | deb_newb | Maybe the Mac is not forwarding |
| 16:10.39 | Aenigma | deb_newb: how exactly is your network set up? |
| 16:10.52 | nevyn | mark22: that makes some sense |
| 16:11.12 | Aenigma | deb_newb: and, more importantly, is there any reason you don't want to use a dhcp server? |
| 16:11.17 | nevyn | just views any human with a login account that get's a shell as privilaged. |
| 16:12.13 | cahoot | what about cats/dogs? |
| 16:12.24 | deb_newb | Aenigma: I have a wireless router connected to DSL. I have a Mac that is connected to that via Wifi (I'm on the mac now), and I have a Debian box connected to the Mac via an Ethernet cable. As for dhcp, I would use it if I knew how to make it work easily. |
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| 16:12.46 | mark22 | I prefer to see every account you can access from all over the world as a risk |
| 16:13.18 | deb_newb | Aenigma: ...and the mac and the Deeb box have static addresses and they can ping each other |
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| 16:13.45 | simonrvn | there's risk in everything. nothing is 100% safe. |
| 16:14.14 | simonrvn | to think otherwise is foolish. to think you can make it 100% is foolish. |
| 16:14.31 | simonrvn | it's called life. |
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| 16:14.41 | Aenigma | deb_newb: why do you have the debian box connected to the mac? |
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| 16:14.58 | Aenigma | deb_newb: the mac isn't just going to forward it unless you do stuff on it. |
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| 16:15.18 | deb_newb | Aenigma: because the Mac is the only machine that has an Ethernet port on it |
| 16:15.27 | ilembitov | jhutchins_lt: Yes, it does. It is functioning alright, actually. I just keep on running into things missing, like ntfs-3g or pm-utils |
| 16:15.28 | Aenigma | deb_newb: you'd have to make the mac itself a router if you want to do that. |
| 16:15.28 | mark22 | simonrvn: limiting the risk however can be good (thinking that it can be limited 100% is indeed foolish) |
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| 16:15.53 | deb_newb | Aenigma: yes, I always enabled "connection sharing" which I thought would forward, but maybe that's not working. |
| 16:16.00 | deb_newb | *already |
| 16:16.15 | simonrvn | mark22: of course, just gotta weigh the options. |
| 16:16.21 | Aenigma | deb_newb: do you know what "Connection sharing" actually means, technically? |
| 16:16.39 | Aenigma | deb_newb: Perhaps you do want to use the mac as a gateway, then. |
| 16:17.01 | mark22 | I have a few accounts that only should be accessed from a single (static) IP, in that case I think this should be useful |
| 16:18.09 | deb_newb | Aenigma: ok, I'll try that again... you mean use the address of the mac in the "gateway" field of the eth0 config on the Debian box, correct? |
| 16:18.27 | maher | deb_newb: have you tried getting a dhcp address from the mac? |
| 16:18.37 | Aenigma | deb_newb: yes, but I've no idea how the mac's supposed to work. |
| 16:18.40 | acu | what kernel will be used in squeezed |
| 16:18.58 | maher | acu: probably 2.6.32 |
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| 16:19.34 | acu | I see - because I usually install daily d-i and it has 2.6.35 |
| 16:19.40 | deb_newb | maher: I don't know how to do that |
| 16:19.47 | deb_newb | aenigma |
| 16:20.12 | maher | deb_newb: i meant on the debian machine try configuring it to get an address via dhcp fromthe mac |
| 16:20.13 | deb_newb | Aenigma: right, I tried again and evidently the mac is not forwarding... I will investigate.... |
| 16:20.31 | simonrvn | deb_newb: mac os x ? |
| 16:20.39 | maher | acu: ok - maybe its different - I have 2.6.32 on squeeze atm |
| 16:21.06 | simonrvn | deb_newb: it'll be in network in the system preferences if so |
| 16:21.07 | deb_newb | maher, I tried that... the mac isn't responding to dhcp it seems |
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| 16:22.33 | jargon- | how do i access the windows7 partition in debian live session? |
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| 16:23.32 | maher | i've remapped a key to F12 using xmodmap, but there seems to be a difference between Alt-F12 and Alt-new F12, how do i fix this/ |
| 16:25.05 | nunojpg | where is the man for /usr/share/pam-configs/ files? |
| 16:25.19 | preller | does squeeze come with bash preinstalled? |
| 16:26.40 | deb_newb | Dunno.. nothing seems to work to get the Mac to forward IP traffic |
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| 16:26.59 | maher | preller: yes |
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| 16:27.29 | acu | maher you are right - is 2.6.32-5 |
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| 16:27.58 | cahoot | jargon-: tried to mount it? |
| 16:29.38 | jargon- | cahoot: i tried mount -a. nothing happened. then i tried mount /dev/sda2 and got this: mount: can't find /dev/sda2 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
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| 16:31.37 | preller | u need a mountpoint |
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| 16:34.07 | cahoot | jargon-: create a mountpoint - like mkdir /mnt/win7 |
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| 16:34.48 | cahoot | jargon-: then mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/win7 (if sda2 is the w7 part) |
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| 16:37.23 | jargon- | cahoot: ok |
| 16:38.45 | preller | is there a way to read out the URL of the currently active firefox tab via shell? |
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| 16:38.58 | jargon- | cahoot: that worked. thanks! |
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| 16:39.53 | ntsasng | !ask |
| 16:39.53 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 16:40.24 | ntsasng | i have a important question! |
| 16:40.30 | ntsasng | need help |
| 16:40.33 | ntsasng | !help |
| 16:41.01 | ntsasng | how is active or refactor grub on Debian Squeeze |
| 16:41.03 | ntsasng | ? |
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| 16:43.35 | ntsasng | How is active grub after reinstall windows? |
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| 16:43.56 | ntsasng | i need help from anybody using Debian |
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| 16:44.52 | stonie | hey i got two /dev/md0 - and cant boot anymore.. how can i rename one to md3? |
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| 16:45.27 | lord_rob | ntsasng: windows takes the boot sector and you cannot access to grub anymore |
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| 16:46.29 | lord_rob | ntsasng: boot from a live cd chroot into your debian system then reinstall grub from there |
| 16:47.00 | ntsasng | lord_rob: reinstall into? |
| 16:47.04 | cahoot | ntsasng: there are quite a few googlabe howtos on ho to restore grub after windows install |
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| 16:47.54 | jellow | I'm having issues with gems , Ive installed a gem though can't load it as it requires rake yet gems cannot find rake |
| 16:48.09 | ntsasng | boot from CD and then select install pageket? |
| 16:48.16 | ntsasng | pageket is grub? |
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| 16:48.34 | lord_rob | ntsasng: well this is MY method, it works for me so I don't I don't care if there are guides available |
| 16:49.09 | maher | ntsasng: try booting the cd and using rescue mode |
| 16:49.15 | ntsasng | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:50.19 | ntsasng | are you understand i talk about what? |
| 16:50.21 | lord_rob | I usually have an Ubuntu CD handy, useful in those situations ntsasng |
| 16:50.37 | ntsasng | i'm Vietnamese, i speak English not verry well :( |
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| 16:51.24 | lord_rob | I understand what you say ntsasng |
| 16:51.24 | mmmm | In tcpdump i see packets comming on port 80, but then I don't get them on the web server. Is it possible "iptables -L" doesn't actually show all rules ? |
| 16:51.26 | ntsasng | lord_rob: can Ubuntu CD active grub for Debian? |
| 16:51.40 | lord_rob | ntsasng: no |
| 16:52.10 | ntsasng | lord_rob: okie, i'll using Debian CD :) |
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| 16:52.51 | ntsasng | lord_rob: how are you install Debian? |
| 16:52.55 | lord_rob | you have to use an ubuntu cd of the same architecture then chroot into the debian partition |
| 16:53.36 | ntsasng | lord_rob: i'm using usb with grub4dos ^^! |
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| 16:59.37 | mmmm | "nmap -v -f" says port 80 is filtered, but cant find the filter in "iptables -L" where should I look for it ? |
| 16:59.40 | bint | HAPPY NEW YEAR! |
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| 17:00.56 | maher | mmmm: what's sitting between the computers? |
| 17:01.26 | mmmm | it's the same computer |
| 17:01.34 | ntsasng | lord_rob: what is folder you were chroot? |
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| 17:01.52 | ntsasng | lord_rob: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
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| 17:02.20 | mmmm | maher: tcpdump shows the packets, and seems like they are MIA, web server doesn't recieve them. "iptables -L" shows nothing. Any idea ? |
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| 17:02.55 | maher | mmmm: i meant is there some router / isp in the middle that could be doing the filtering? |
| 17:03.03 | lord_rob | ntsasng: the folder of your debian partition (eg /dev /sda1) |
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| 17:04.12 | mmmm | maher: dude, im doing "nmap -v -f localhost" |
| 17:04.19 | mmmm | and I get "80/tcp filtered http" |
| 17:04.33 | ntsasng | lord_rob: i'm install Debian into sda7 |
| 17:04.51 | botmind | Hi. The issue is about legacy nvidia drivers. I have successfully installed them on Lenny, but had to blacklist intel_agp module from boot. And now after upgraded to squeze and installed appropriate nvidia legacy driver, it doesn't boot and blacklist intel_agp doesn't help this time! the last error I see is something about modprobe -d acpi:LNXCPU exited with status 0 |
| 17:05.03 | ntsasng | lord_rob: is i chroot into sda7? |
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| 17:05.17 | mmmm | maher: "links http://localhost" gets stuck on "Making connection" |
| 17:05.27 | botmind | someone from here even told me he had exactly the same video card as I do and managed to get it working on squeeze |
| 17:05.31 | mmmm | maher: tcpdump shows the packet, web server doesn't recieve it |
| 17:05.43 | mmmm | maher: so I guess it's the firewall on the machine ? |
| 17:05.52 | mmmm | the only installed is iptables |
| 17:06.04 | maher | mmmm: have you tried just flushing all the iptables rules? |
| 17:06.07 | mmmm | iptables -L doesn't show anything, I had some rules before but cleaned it with iptables -F <--- was that the problem ? |
| 17:06.09 | mmmm | yes! |
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| 17:06.33 | lord_rob | ntsasng: so yes |
| 17:06.50 | mmmm | Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) / Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) / Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) |
| 17:07.03 | mmmm | nothing else on "iptables -L " |
| 17:07.13 | ntsasng | lord_rob: okie, thanks U so much |
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| 17:07.27 | maher | mmmm: try listening with netcat on port 80 instead of the webserver and see if you see anything coming in |
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| 17:12.40 | mmmm | maher: nc -l 80 ? |
| 17:13.27 | maher | mmmm: i think its nc -l -p 80 |
| 17:13.58 | mmmm | retrying local 0.0.0.0:80 : Address already in use |
| 17:14.09 | maher | mmmm: you'll need to stop the webserver |
| 17:14.11 | mmmm | ok |
| 17:14.30 | mmmm | listening on [any] 80 ... |
| 17:14.37 | mmmm | nothing |
| 17:14.44 | mmmm | while I see tons of crap with tcpdump |
| 17:15.41 | botmind | if anyone knows about what should I blacklist on Squeeze for nvidia drivers to work, kindly let me know.. |
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| 17:16.27 | botmind | even the installation fails to load when I'm having my Nvidia card activated in Bios! |
| 17:16.46 | jhutchins | !nvidia |
| 17:16.46 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 17:17.30 | maher | mmmm: ok - i dunno |
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| 17:17.36 | sedulous | is there any ntpd in Debian Squeeze yet? |
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| 17:18.04 | mmmm | maher: 18:11:35.617919 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 115, id 20970, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP (6), length 52) 79.126.238.90.53293 > ******.www: S, cksum 0x51fc (correct), 1993298727:1993298727(0) win 8192 <mss 1452,nop,wscale 2,nop,nop,sackOK> |
| 17:18.05 | jhutchins | sedulous: Has been all along. |
| 17:18.10 | botmind | jhujhiti: yes, I've folowed exactly this article! |
| 17:18.11 | mmmm | that's what tcpdump says |
| 17:18.25 | sedulous | jhutchins: ah yeah, now I see it, "ntp", was looking for openntpd which is only in lenny & sid |
| 17:18.29 | rozie | botmind: what card? |
| 17:18.38 | botmind | jhujhiti: sorry it was to jhutchins |
| 17:18.44 | jhutchins | ,versions openntpd |
| 17:18.45 | judd | Package openntpd on i386 -- etch: 3.9p1-3; lenny: 3.9p1-7; sid: 3.9p1+debian-6 |
| 17:18.53 | botmind | rozie: old one, MX 440 |
| 17:19.09 | rozie | botmind: do you use legacy driver? |
| 17:19.14 | jhutchins | botmind: That guy's never actually on that I've seen. People do that all the time. Too many jh* nicks |
| 17:19.16 | maher | mmmm: do other ports work? |
| 17:19.18 | shortcircuit | Ok, bind question. Given a sample configuration like ( http://paste.debian.net/104695/ ), how can I get the viewersA view and viewersB view to inherit zone configurations from topView? |
| 17:19.19 | rozie | and does it support this hardware? |
| 17:19.21 | mmmm | maher: yes |
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| 17:19.55 | mmmm | maher: nmap says that only tcp/80 says it's filtered, and im not sure how since iptables says it doesn't filter anything |
| 17:20.04 | maher | mmmm: ok - i really don't know - maybe iptables is messed up somehow - does this persist across reboots? |
| 17:20.17 | mmmm | tried reboot once |
| 17:20.26 | mmmm | tried even apt-get remove iptables |
| 17:20.45 | botmind | rozie: yes of course! and it seems to be just fine with nvidia's driver! the issue seems to be about some other module which shouldn't be loaded.. on Lenny it was intel_agp which I had to blacklist.. |
| 17:21.17 | botmind | jhutchins: yes.. now I see, but only one with jhut* |
| 17:21.39 | jhutchins | I think there were like six yesterday. |
| 17:21.49 | botmind | oh! lol |
| 17:21.51 | rozie | botmind: do you have /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf ? |
| 17:22.15 | botmind | rozie: yes |
| 17:22.23 | rozie | botmind: try to change value |
| 17:22.43 | botmind | rozie: all it contains is options radeon modeset=1 |
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| 17:24.22 | botmind | rozie: ok I will try and reboot.. |
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| 17:25.30 | rozie | set options radeon modeset=0 |
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| 17:25.48 | botmind | rozie: but I repeat, for it to work on Lenny, I had to "blacklist intel_agp" while on Squeeze even CD installer fails to boot when Nvidia card is activated in Bios |
| 17:26.08 | botmind | rozie: yes, this is what I've done.. thx |
| 17:26.29 | rozie | botmind: let me know if it helped |
| 17:26.40 | botmind | rozie: ok.. brb |
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| 17:28.58 | deed02392 | I want to implement a basic backing up script using cp, tar and rsync |
| 17:29.19 | deed02392 | I've done it before, but then that server went down and i lost the script (but not hte data) |
| 17:29.24 | deed02392 | also I didn't use cp before, just tar |
| 17:29.27 | rozie | ...and gzip, probably |
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| 17:29.38 | deed02392 | yep rozie |
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| 17:29.49 | deed02392 | what i noticed is the backup was a couple of days late because the most recent failed with 'files changed while we read them' |
| 17:30.07 | deed02392 | so I am thinking, copy the files first then tar gzip the copy? |
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| 17:30.24 | deed02392 | but then I wonder will the problem be the same with cp? |
| 17:30.37 | rozie | just try it out |
| 17:30.52 | jhutchins | deed02392: Use rsync or tar, with the "continue on error" option. |
| 17:30.52 | rozie | BTW, did you try to restore from such a backup? |
| 17:31.03 | deed02392 | yes, succesfully rozie |
| 17:31.23 | rozie | that's OK |
| 17:31.31 | deed02392 | is it adivsable to use rsync and tar gz jhutchins? |
| 17:31.49 | deed02392 | maybe zipping is a wasted step |
| 17:31.53 | rozie | how long does it take to make backup? can you stop service(s) for this time? |
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| 17:32.27 | deed02392 | a couple of minutes rozie, i would rather not stop services while it's done though |
| 17:32.39 | deed02392 | it's for a webserver, backing up the web source |
| 17:32.51 | deed02392 | php scripts and images etc |
| 17:33.02 | deed02392 | as well as mysqldump output |
| 17:33.34 | deed02392 | i was tar'ing all the server document root and the mysqldump output and rsyncing that zipped archive |
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| 17:34.26 | botmind | rozie: no, it didn't work... I'm getting same errors no matter if I blacklist nvidia or no.. |
| 17:34.55 | botmind | rozie: that was an addition saying |
| 17:34.57 | rozie | botmind: paste them on pastebin... |
| 17:35.16 | botmind | rozie: ok, sure |
| 17:36.20 | deed02392 | so does anyone have an ideas on what is best? should i just ignore failed file reads? |
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| 17:36.49 | deed02392 | is it not possible to make it reattempt a file if it is changed when read - because it wouldn't be convenient to have a backup archive missing a file |
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| 17:39.06 | jhutchins | deed02392: I like rsync because it's robust and has lots of options. That and tar both have enough options to handle a real backup, cp and gzip do not. If you use the z option with tar it's pretty efficient. |
| 17:39.09 | themill | deed02392: rsnapshot would give you a more consistent backup than tarring first then copying but it is still imperfect on changing data. You'd need to do something like lvm snapshots to do that. |
| 17:39.42 | botmind | rozie: hmm they are not seem to be logged this time |
| 17:40.40 | deed02392 | that's what i meant i use jhutchins, tar with the z option is tar+gzip right? it worked well except of course when that failed, the bash script i wrote didn't go on to rsync it |
| 17:40.47 | deed02392 | so i was set back 48 hours instead of 24 |
| 17:41.12 | jhutchins | deed02392: rsync is wasted on a single file. |
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| 17:41.44 | jhutchins | deed02392: Need to tune the script to just test for the new file rather than wait for a non-error exit from tar. |
| 17:41.59 | jhutchins | deed02392: Should also notify on error. |
| 17:42.03 | deed02392 | yeah, well i'm starting from scratch |
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| 17:42.20 | deed02392 | it did e-mail me, because i run it through cron |
| 17:42.28 | deed02392 | but i didn't check my e-mail in time |
| 17:42.51 | deed02392 | is it really a complete waste to use rsync on a single file jhutchins? |
| 17:43.10 | deed02392 | i thought it worked by sort of clustering the file and only sending the changed 'clusters' |
| 17:43.17 | jhutchins | deed02392: Yes, expecially if you know the file is new. |
| 17:43.36 | deed02392 | oh no jhutchins, i was doing a weekly rotate, using the day of the week to name it |
| 17:43.47 | jhutchins | deed02392: That's true. I didn't realize you were updating the file. |
| 17:44.08 | deed02392 | so each week it would rsync the changes from this day of the week archive to last weeks |
| 17:44.13 | deed02392 | yeah i kept 7 archives rotating |
| 17:44.18 | themill | deed02392: the more you describe what you're doing, the more I think rsnapshot would be better for you. /msg dpkg rsnapshot |
| 17:44.38 | botmind | rozie: last error I see on the screen (very fast after grub's kernel selection) is: modprobe -d acpi:LNXCPU exit with status 0 and same for acpi:LNXPWRBN and acpi:LNXSYSTM |
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| 17:44.57 | jhutchins | deed02392: I think I would use something like rdif-backup or rsync to grab changed files, then compress. I don't think tar does very sophisticated change checking, but I think it can tell when/if the file has been backed up. |
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| 17:47.52 | deed02392 | so backup remotely then compress afterwards jhutchins? |
| 17:48.10 | deed02392 | i'm not sure how you mean to use the two in conjunction |
| 17:48.19 | maher | deed02392: have you looked at using something like dirvish? |
| 17:48.36 | deed02392 | nope maher, is that a debian package? |
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| 17:49.40 | maher | deed02392: yes - it keeps incremental backups - I would just use rsync to get the backups to the backup machine and then use dirvish on that machine |
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| 17:51.08 | deed02392 | think i need to do some reading on snapshots |
| 17:51.09 | rozie | botmind: I'd try make system running without (auto)starting xorg |
| 17:51.16 | ToastigesEtwas | Hi |
| 17:51.23 | rozie | then log in and start with startx... |
| 17:52.26 | botmind | rozie: well I think it's very far from launching X! it's just at the very begining of the boot when it fails |
| 17:53.00 | rozie | it may be not nvidia problem, then |
| 17:53.08 | jhutchins | The problem with backups is that there are SO many different ways to approach them. |
| 17:53.15 | botmind | I will try now GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="agp=off" setting for grub to disable internal intel card |
| 17:53.22 | deed02392 | indeed jhutchins |
| 17:53.30 | ToastigesEtwas | Could anyone tell me where I could download the current live cd images via FTP? |
| 17:53.32 | deed02392 | in addition i don't have any backup mechanism in place at the moment |
| 17:53.44 | delby | hi. is there a reason why the line pref("browser.startup.homepage", "www.google.com"); in /etc/iceweasel/pref/iceweasel.js is not setting the home page for iceweasel? |
| 17:53.49 | deed02392 | i need to get one going asap |
| 17:54.10 | botmind | rozie: yes! I am pretty confident it has nothing to do with nvidia drivers! same as on Lenny, I had to disable my onboard GPU by adding blacklist intel_agp, but in Squeeze it didn't work |
| 17:54.15 | jhutchins | deed02392: You can pipe rsync to a tar process on the remote system. |
| 17:54.38 | deed02392 | that sounds complicated jhutchins, i'm only new to linux as a hobby |
| 17:54.55 | botmind | rozie: so I came here maybe someone knows what modules should I disable on Squeeze so that my onboard card would not be initialized |
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| 17:55.10 | rozie | well. what is your card? |
| 17:55.36 | rozie | output of lspci and lspci -n also can be useful |
| 17:56.04 | botmind | rozie: my issue is exactly as described here http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=53304 |
| 17:56.06 | jhutchins | http://tldp.org/REF/INTRO/Backup-INTRO/strategies.html |
| 17:56.18 | botmind | rozie: yes, sure.. |
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| 17:57.25 | botmind | rozie: it same, only my cards are slightly different, and when it worked for him in Ubuntu, it worked for me with Lenny, by only blacklist intel_agp |
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| 17:59.03 | botmind | rozie: here are the commands you asked for http://pastebin.com/kLWvjgN5 I'm doing this from Lenny |
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| 18:00.41 | rozie | botmind: link to forum contains solution ;) |
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| 18:01.52 | botmind | rozie: yes and I am just about to try it :) |
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| 18:02.30 | botmind | rozie: now searching where this grub config is.. |
| 18:02.46 | rozie | /etc/default/grub... |
| 18:03.16 | rozie | btw http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ - if you paste your lspci -n output here |
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| 18:03.32 | rozie | you will get list of modules you should load/use |
| 18:03.56 | deed02392 | hmm that wasn't very useful jhutchins, it just talks about shoulds and shouldn'ts |
| 18:04.33 | deed02392 | i think what i'll do is rsync to a local directory on the live server, tar and gzip where it rsyncs to, and then rsync THAT to the backup server |
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| 18:05.08 | deed02392 | or do i mean rdiff - which was the one you said handles files that change as they are read? |
| 18:05.09 | jhutchins | deed02392: I use rdiff-backup to a local partition, then replicate the result to an external drive. None of it is compressed. The external drive is rotated. |
| 18:05.41 | deed02392 | the live server is a virtual machine, the backup one is dedicated but both are thousand of miles from where i live and neither have much bandwidth or storage |
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| 18:05.51 | jhutchins | This is a data-only backup, I haven't really settled on a system backup strategy. |
| 18:06.30 | deed02392 | that's why i need it all compressed before saving the backup remotely |
| 18:07.02 | deed02392 | that backup file created is about 180 MB, 30% of the original size! |
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| 18:07.19 | karlpinc | deed02392: You get better compression by not compressing and using hard links -- depending on how many backups you keep. |
| 18:07.40 | themill | deed02392: you'd do well to stop reinventing the wheel and using some of the existing solutions you've been pointed to. |
| 18:07.47 | karlpinc | deed02392: It pays off quickly. |
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| 18:08.10 | deed02392 | which solution would you recommend themill? |
| 18:08.10 | karlpinc | themill: (I do like my own rsync based solution, because it does push and pull, something not otherwise available.) |
| 18:08.46 | deed02392 | i'm only backing up my website and database karlpinc, i don't know what hard links are though |
| 18:08.57 | themill | deed02392: I've recommended rsnapshot to you twice now. Others have suggested other options that would work nicely too. |
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| 18:09.36 | karlpinc | !tell deed02392 about hard link |
| 18:10.06 | arpawolf | I'm attempting to install Debian Squeeze into my Dell Inspiron 1546 laptop and get a prompt for missing firmware files b43/ucode15.fw b43-open/ucode.fw I beleive these are Broadcom drivers any idea on where i can d/l these from (i've tried google but not much luck? |
| 18:10.16 | deed02392 | karlpinc, that sounds almost like anti-duplication |
| 18:10.17 | karlpinc | deed02392: rsnapshot does hard links. This may or may not work well with database dumps. For that you may need something else. But it will work great with the website. |
| 18:10.32 | botmind | rozie: very useful! thx, but for which Debian version it is? and also, when I edit /etc/default/grub should I change something further in /boot/grub ? |
| 18:10.38 | deed02392 | the database dump is just a text file the the SQL necessary to recreate it, that should be enough right? |
| 18:10.55 | cahoot | arpawolf: try install b43-fwcutter |
| 18:11.00 | karlpinc | deed02392: A hard link only saves you space if it does |
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| 18:11.12 | themill | karlpinc, deed02392: you just get mysqldump to run from a hook script or from cron prior to running the backup, yes. |
| 18:11.14 | karlpinc | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.19 | cahoot | arpawolf: it's for the needed firmware |
| 18:11.40 | arpawolf | cahoot: says I need to insert from removable media and idea where i can download that from? |
| 18:12.15 | karlpinc | themill: Sure, but that won't save space if the db is updated. For that you first compress the db, then backup with rsnapshot. (As themill knows.) |
| 18:12.47 | themill | ack; that's the least of the problems here though. |
| 18:12.50 | delby | where do i set system wide preferences for iceweasel? |
| 18:13.02 | cahoot | arpawolf: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=squeeze&searchon=names&keywords=b43-fwcutter |
| 18:13.21 | botmind | when I edit /etc/default/grub should I make the changes anywhere else, say in /boot/grub ? |
| 18:13.33 | cahoot | arpawolf: but - I suppose you also need the firmwarefile |
| 18:13.47 | arpawolf | ok |
| 18:14.19 | cahoot | arpawolf: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 |
| 18:14.22 | arpawolf | Im using my PC to hoepfully d/l and burn to cd for my laptop |
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| 18:14.53 | botmind | I believe I've just read somewhere that after I've edited /etc/default/grub, I need to run a command something like "grub-update" so it would update the seetings within /boot/grub dir.. but now I can't seem to find the page where I've read it |
| 18:15.44 | amphi | botmind: man update-grub |
| 18:15.49 | arpawolf | thanks cahoot ;-) |
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| 18:16.53 | botmind | amphi: exactly! so I was not dreaming... but I can't seem to find the page where I've read it.. also, I'm making the changes on the external hdd, I do not want to update the grub on the system where I'm on now |
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| 18:17.57 | deed02392 | oh i understand how hard links are used now |
| 18:18.03 | cahoot | arpawolf: seems it called firmware-b43-installer in squeeze |
| 18:18.14 | deed02392 | on a newer backup it hard links to an older backup because the file hasn't changed |
| 18:18.31 | deed02392 | i was thinking it hard linked to the original files, and couldn't understand how that would be useful when the originals were lost :P |
| 18:18.41 | jimcooncat | I've got debian-live-squeeze-i386-xfce-desktop.iso, am on an Ubuntu system, and want to make a persistent live usb disk. Where do I find docs? or is this a question for #ubuntu? |
| 18:19.04 | jhutchins | !live |
| 18:19.04 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net. A preview of the squeeze live image is at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_live_beta2/ |
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| 18:19.33 | jhutchins | I would think live.debian.net would have instructions. |
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| 18:20.09 | jimcooncat | Yes, but I don't understand: http://live.debian.net/manual/en/html/the-basics.html#186 |
| 18:20.30 | jimcooncat | I don't have the 1b or lb command they mention |
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| 18:21.21 | jimcooncat | and the following build instructions don't use an .iso, they use an .img |
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| 18:22.28 | jimcooncat | AsfarasIknow, it's not smart to use someone else's image file |
| 18:22.58 | jimcooncat | I'd be happy running d-i somehow, if I knew how |
| 18:23.16 | arpawolf | cahoot: so is the b43-fwcutter_013-2_amd64.deb the only pkg I need? |
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| 18:24.16 | jimcooncat | links that dpkg gave me are dead |
| 18:25.40 | jimcooncat | going to go, thanks for letting me babble. I'll join #debain-live@oftc later. |
| 18:25.54 | jhutchins | jimcooncat: |
| 18:25.56 | babilen | jimcooncat: "lb" is available from the "live-build" package (apt-file search -x "bin/lb$" |
| 18:25.57 | jhutchins | jimcooncat: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/ |
| 18:25.59 | babilen | ) |
| 18:26.14 | babilen | jimcooncat: See you later. |
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| 18:43.16 | damasceno | Someone did try install BigBlueButton? |
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| 18:48.25 | larsl | Is there a way to mount and unmount filesystems (ext3 in this case) without logging? |
| 18:48.48 | larsl | I don't mean logging as in journalling, but as in "writing messages to /var/log/messages and other places when mounting and unmounting". |
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| 18:49.18 | larsl | Basically, I want to mount and unmount filesystems without leaving any traces. |
| 18:49.35 | babilen | alter the logs? |
| 18:49.54 | babilen | and what is your use-case? |
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| 18:50.24 | larsl | Yeah... I was hoping there were some ready-made solutions. |
| 18:50.58 | jelly-home | larsl: the issue is twofold: kernel messages ("printk"), and mount command changing /etc/mtab |
| 18:51.00 | larsl | babilen: The use-case is mounting a filesystem with secret data, working with the data, and unmounting it without leaving any traces on the computer. |
| 18:51.06 | damasceno | Someone did try install BigBlueButton? |
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| 18:51.26 | babilen | damasceno: What's that? |
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| 18:52.11 | larsl | jelly-home: As long as the entry is removed from mtab when the filesystem is unmounted, that's OK. I don't care about traces that only exist while the filesystem is mounted. |
| 18:52.19 | jelly-home | larsl: does it matter if the root user can see those actions? |
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| 18:52.53 | jelly-home | larsl: mount man page explains how to omit mtab changes. (-n) |
| 18:52.54 | larsl | jelly-home: No, as long as the traces are wiped afterwards. |
| 18:53.21 | poisonbit | debootstrap, chroot, mount into, delete ? |
| 18:53.33 | jelly-home | larsl: you will have to wipe the dmesg ring buffer and configure your syslog or kernel not to log relevant lines. |
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| 18:53.57 | larsl | Right, so there's no way of telling the relevant fs kernel modules to just not write the messages in the first place? |
| 18:54.01 | damasceno | babilen, It's a software to webconference. |
| 18:54.42 | jelly-home | larsl: no. well, /msg dpkg printk |
| 18:55.38 | Zambezi | Is there any codec I'm missing cause when I play *.mkv I need four-five times the volume. And if I forget to turn down, imagine metal with five times the normal volume when you excpect low volume. |
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| 18:57.39 | jelly-home | Zambezi: four-times-the-volume, or a 12dB difference, seems about right. |
| 18:58.09 | b0b0 | www.QueenHosting.net Queen Web Hosting - Domain Name - Business Web Hosting - Dedicated Servers - VPS Virtual Private Servers - Semi Dedicated Servers - Cheap Personal Web Hosting - Shared Web Hosting ! |
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| 18:59.51 | Zambezi | jelly-home: It's suppose to be that low? |
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| 19:00.09 | jelly-home | Zambezi: DVD (and probably bluray) media is mastered that way |
| 19:01.21 | Zambezi | jelly-home: I forgot to lower the volume a few times. Not so plessant, but I have to remember it. Thanks for help! |
| 19:01.51 | jelly-home | for some reason, Windows media players and/or audio drivers get it right without having to tamper |
| 19:02.24 | jelly-home | Zambezi: try using vlc if it's not your video player of choice already |
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| 19:03.55 | g105b | Hi, can someone help me with setting up dovecot ... in the dovecot.conf file, mail_location = maildir:/var/vmail/%d/%n/Maildir ... but after sending/receiving test emails, there is no directories inside /var/vmail/ ... can anyone help me out? |
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| 19:07.09 | doberman | Any idea why the following returns "invalid argument": iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -i eth0 -m state --state NEW -m recent --update --seconds 15 --hitcount 60 -j DROP |
| 19:07.19 | doberman | if I set --hitcount 15 it works just fine |
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| 19:13.38 | acx0 | is there a way to install the latest version of iceweasel (as in equal to the latest version of firefox) in debian testing? |
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| 19:14.52 | necktie | hi. how do i fix this error? "/usr/bin/perl^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory" |
| 19:16.17 | acx0 | necktie, did you modify your path? |
| 19:16.28 | necktie | acx0: no |
| 19:16.37 | petemc | necktie: did you edit that script in windows? |
| 19:16.49 | acx0 | oh nvm, that wouldn't affect it if you typed the full path to perl anyway |
| 19:16.52 | necktie | i edited it on my mac |
| 19:16.54 | vtts | dos2unix |
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| 19:18.18 | g105b | I have set up postfix and dovecot, can someone tell me where the mail is getting stored on disk? I've set mail_location = maildir:/var/vmail/%d/%n/Maildir but /var/vmail is an empty directory, but the email server is sending and receiving emails ok ... |
| 19:18.27 | petemc | necktie: google for "vi remove ^M" to see how to remove the unwanted characters |
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| 19:18.42 | necktie | vtts: -bash: dos2unix: command not found |
| 19:18.47 | jordanm | !installit |
| 19:18.47 | dpkg | Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 19:20.49 | necktie | petemc: so do vi :%s/^V^M//g script.pl? |
| 19:21.08 | petemc | necktie: open it with vi, press esc then type that in |
| 19:21.23 | petemc | pressing control V then control M |
| 19:22.32 | poisonbit | perl -p -i -e 's/\r\n$/\n/g' script.pl ? |
| 19:22.57 | vtts | tr -d '\r' < badfile.pl > newfile.pl |
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| 19:23.13 | vtts | lots of methods :) |
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| 19:35.49 | necktie | poisonbit: worked. thank you :) |
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| 19:37.28 | g105b | how do I check that a directory is writeable by a specific system user? |
| 19:37.51 | botmind | rozie: it worked for me... but I had to find out where's the new location for xorg.conf on Squeeze... |
| 19:38.26 | rozie | same place IIRC |
| 19:38.32 | botmind | Ok, I've managed to install Squeeze on the external hard drive after years of using Lenny |
| 19:38.50 | rozie | if there's xorg.conf at all ;) |
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| 19:39.19 | botmind | one of the first things.. I have not found any IRC client.. in Lenny it was Ksirc (I'm using http://webchat.freenode.net now) |
| 19:39.47 | rozie | there's irssi, but it's not graphical |
| 19:40.39 | botmind | rozie: well it was in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10... I've added 60-nvidia.conf (increaed there Vertical refresh rate, added the default resolution to needed) and it worked! |
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| 19:40.52 | botmind | rozie: then.. which one you, for example, using? |
| 19:40.59 | rozie | apt-cache search irc client or irc client kde |
| 19:41.05 | rozie | botmind: I use irssi |
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| 19:43.28 | botmind | rozie: I've tried to install it, just before using the freenode's web version, but gotten a huge list of packages to be removed due to conflict with perl: Depends: perl-base (= 5.10.1-16) but 5.10.1-17 is to be installed. |
| 19:44.08 | access_d | botmind: you said you were using Ksirc.. so I'm assuming you have kde? |
| 19:44.34 | botmind | access_d: yes, but I've upgraded to Squeeze and now Ksirc is gone |
| 19:44.58 | access_d | botmind: Okay. Do you plan on installing KDE again? Or did you? |
| 19:45.19 | botmind | Another thing... in Lenny, KDE 3.5 there was a nice system administration.. you could see all your hardware devices, but there - nothing! |
| 19:45.35 | access_d | botmind: Sure you can. |
| 19:45.39 | botmind | access_d: I've burned the very recent Squeeze KDE CD rc1 and installed it |
| 19:45.41 | rozie | it's kvirc now ;) |
| 19:45.55 | access_d | botmind: First off, Ksirc is probably not being worked on anymore. Try installing Konversation. That's what I use. |
| 19:47.15 | access_d | botmind: And for system administration, you have System Settings, as well as Kinfocenter. |
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| 19:47.56 | access_d | Should be under Start > System > Kinfocenter (I think) |
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| 19:49.23 | botmind | access_d: konversation installed just fine! seems pretty much like Ksirc, thx.. rozie while when tried to isntall kvirc same - perl conflict issue.. which is very strange |
| 19:50.22 | access_d | botmind: np. and did you find kinfocenter? |
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| 19:51.49 | botmind | access_d: these "System Settings" is exactly what I am complaining about... I go Advanced -> Hardware.. and all I see there is really useless Power management, Network, Bluetooth and Infra red list with a very limited info.. and no controls over them... |
| 19:52.31 | botmind | access_d: yes sure.. aptitude install konversation did the thing and then obviously found it in Internet Applications section.. |
| 19:53.26 | davidisko | hi guys, why there is need of /selinux directory if it remains nonmounted with selinuxfs and it's empty? if u delete it it says "Mount failed for selinuxfs on /selinux: No such file or directory" while booting... |
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| 19:54.56 | botmind | access_d: oh sorry, kinfocenter seems to be not here.. |
| 19:55.47 | botmind | access_d: had to manually install it.. |
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| 19:58.06 | rtghuzg5 | hello, i need a idea how to convert with bash a mp3 to ogg without loosing the id3tag. Can enybody help me i can't find somesing. |
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| 19:59.02 | botmind | Then another important thing.. I've upgraded to see if there would be better performance with audio.. but it became in worse. In Lenny in Kmix I had no master volume control, only PCM worked, but here, both master and pcm where present but with no control ability |
| 19:59.29 | botmind | Just tried again and somehow the control over PCM appeared! By itself! but still no master control |
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| 20:01.18 | access_d | botmind: is it muted? also, maybe check alsamixer and see if it's being used, and if it is, if it's muted.. |
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| 20:04.07 | botmind | also, I've noticed that Squeeze with it's KDE version is MUCH more eating the memory.. for instance, what are the processes, kdeinit4, kded4, kmserver, kwin, knotify4, plasma-desktop, kaccess, krunner, korgac - I don't remember any of them in Lenny and here they eating so much alltogether |
| 20:04.45 | botmind | maybe only kwin was there but not eating so much at all |
| 20:04.49 | g105b | how do I give a user write access to a folder ? |
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| 20:04.56 | rozie | welcome to KDE4 |
| 20:05.03 | qpdb | hello |
| 20:05.20 | qpdb | how to get rid of "Wow, you exceeded the number of descriptions this APT is capable of." ? |
| 20:05.29 | botmind | rozie: lol yes... so all these are needed?? and the only solution is to buy more RAM? |
| 20:05.41 | access_d | botmind: That would be something you can address in #kde as this isn't a Debian specific issue. |
| 20:05.44 | rozie | botmind: no idea. I switched to LXDE |
| 20:05.47 | qpdb | i dont want to remove repos, is there a way to increase this number of descriptions? |
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| 20:06.35 | qpdb | i set APT::Cache-Limit "0";, but then i get another error (about mmap) |
| 20:07.02 | access_d | I have kde installed for the applications, but use fluxbox for my window manager.. Some day I'll do it differently, but for now it works fine. :) |
| 20:07.15 | botmind | rozie: hmm the first thing I've tried this time was LXDE also, but it seemed like too limited |
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| 20:07.52 | botmind | access_d: hmmm well as for alsamixer, it shows master as the first, but you cannot control it |
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| 20:10.17 | access_d | botmind: Does it have a MM at the bottom of it (in alsamixer)? |
| 20:11.45 | botmind | access_d: despite the control appeared over PCM but moving it does nothing, and the volume seems to be on the max nevertheless, muting it disables the volume from playing an mp3... disabling master does nothing |
| 20:11.58 | agike | Hi, update-grub2 does not recognise the ubuntu drive in an unstable/WattOS system. os-prober does not show WattOS in /var/log/syslog. Dual boot worked with grub1. What am I missing ? |
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| 20:12.22 | botmind | access_d: as for MM.. hmm what is it? can't sem to find it |
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| 20:15.19 | botmind | access_d: I'm also hearing the slight noise.. which I believe shouldn't be there.. like when any audio playback starts, there is a slight noise where it supposed to be the silence |
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| 20:16.40 | access_d | botmind: you might not have the proper drivers installed for your sound.. |
| 20:17.34 | Digdilem | can anyone please explain this? it's got me puzzled; http://justpaste.it/7eb |
| 20:17.39 | botmind | access_d: maybe, but how can I check this? in kmix it shows Intel 82801DB-ICH4 |
| 20:18.11 | botmind | access_d: moreover, when using with qjackctl, I was not being able to set the latency more than 50msec! |
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| 20:19.42 | Digdilem | anyone help with that paste? an empty dir using 768k |
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| 20:22.17 | botmind | access_d: also, I've recently purcahse the CD-Audio cable and plugged it in, so that I could listen to Audio CDs directly using KsCD and this noise seems to be absent there and the volume control works just great with KsCD's means |
| 20:22.33 | botmind | purchased* |
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| 20:24.12 | access_d | botmind: maybe here is a decent start for you.. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=57847 |
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| 20:24.35 | access_d | botmind: I don't have that card, so you might have to study up on this one.. |
| 20:26.09 | botmind | access_d: yes, thanks.. I've already tried to find the solution for the long time while being on Lenny with no luck.. but here I do have the sound, it's just it's always on max |
| 20:27.57 | access_d | botmind: are you using it in a VM or is this your host OS? |
| 20:28.03 | neroxx | Hello :) |
| 20:28.13 | dvs | botmind: Is the IEC958 slider muted? |
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| 20:28.58 | neroxx | I'm about to buy an android tablet, and was wounder if I can replace android with Debian !! |
| 20:28.59 | botmind | access_d: I have 2 hard drives.. one with Lenny, another, this one with Squeeze |
| 20:29.48 | botmind | dvs: well, in Lenny, it was AC97 something.. it mutting/umutting or controling it made no effect! Here on Squeze it's not even present! |
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| 20:30.21 | jelly-home | neroxx: the answer will be highly dependant on the hardware and availability of working, open drivers for it |
| 20:31.30 | neroxx | jelly-home, the tablet use arm processor and a generic touch screen |
| 20:31.47 | agike | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.35 | dvs | botmind: is there a slider named "IEC958" when you use alsamixer? |
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| 20:34.23 | botmind | access_d: I have pretty much the same settings as that guy from your thread! the only difference I've noticed so far, is that aplay -l show 1 more line for me: iec958:CARD=I82801DBICH4,DEV=0 |
| 20:34.42 | agike | Hi, update-grub2 does not recognise the ubuntu drive in an unstable/WattOS system. os-prober does not show WattOS in /var/log/syslog. Dual boot worked with grub1. What am I missing ? |
| 20:35.33 | botmind | dvs: there is certainly no! |
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| 20:36.28 | jhutchins | agike: Are you running debian unstable or watos? |
| 20:36.35 | botmind | dvs: but if I do aplay -l, I can see this line there iec958:CARD=I82801DBICH4,DEV=0 (as I've just told at 22:34) |
| 20:36.56 | bnk | hi all..anybody know how to get sound working in pidgin? (this is on squeeze) |
| 20:37.23 | dvs | botmind: even if you move the cursor beyond the right on the alsamixer screen? |
| 20:37.27 | jhutchins | bnk: I tried once unsuccessfully. You have to patch things and use the right service. |
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| 20:38.17 | jelly-home | neroxx: you will have to investigate the availability of drivers for the whole platform. Most of the cheap device fail at providing even the kernel source used at the moment. |
| 20:38.22 | botmind | dvs: yes! on Lenny, I certainly remember, there were some more controls if you move to the right.. but here it just goes to start |
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| 20:38.31 | bnk | jhutchins: that sux..do you recall which 'right service'? |
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| 20:38.34 | agike | jhutchins: dual booting worked with grub1, but not since update-grub2 ! |
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| 20:38.52 | jhutchins | bnk: I think google's one of the ones that does it. |
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| 20:38.59 | jhutchins | bnk: Don't think it works with AIM. |
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| 20:39.20 | jhutchins | agike: Are you running debian unstable or watos? |
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| 20:39.31 | agike | I'm in unstable |
| 20:39.32 | bnk | jhutchins: thnx for the info |
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| 20:40.04 | jhutchins | agike: Which kernel do you have (uname -r) and which version of grub2? (dpkg -l grub*) |
| 20:40.42 | agike | jhutchins: 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 20:41.30 | agike | dpkg -l grub* |
| 20:41.30 | dpkg | No packages found matching grub* |
| 20:41.41 | dvs | botmind: is there a slider labeled "S/PDIF"? |
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| 20:42.13 | jhutchins | agike: Maybe that's why it's not working. |
| 20:42.19 | jhutchins | ,versions grub2 |
| 20:42.20 | judd | Package grub2 on i386 -- etch-backports: 1.96+20080626-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1.98+20100804-13; squeeze: 1.98+20100804-13; experimental: 1.99~20110112-1 |
| 20:42.24 | bnk | jhutchins: I got the sound working using sound command 'aplay %s' |
| 20:42.30 | agike | jhutchins: 'dpkg -l grub*' gives me 20 lines of readout |
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| 20:42.39 | agike | jhutchins: grub-common 1.98+20100804-13 |
| 20:42.59 | agike | jhutchins: grub-pc 1.98+20100804-13 |
| 20:43.08 | botmind | dvs: 5 of them.. |
| 20:43.17 | bnk | jhutchins: but I can't hear it when mpd is running |
| 20:43.30 | jhutchins | bnk: mpd? |
| 20:43.36 | dvs | botmind: mute them all |
| 20:43.43 | jhutchins | agike: Have you run update-grub? |
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| 20:43.55 | bnk | wonder why I can't hear sound concurrently? |
| 20:44.02 | jhutchins | agike: We've seen that the installer frequently fails to find other boot partitions. |
| 20:44.05 | bnk | jhutchins: music player daemon |
| 20:44.25 | jhutchins | bnk: Hm. Maybe it's not set to use alsa? |
| 20:44.36 | agike | jhutchins: many times, but it does not recognise WattOS |
| 20:44.51 | jhutchins | bnk: Is pulseaudio running? |
| 20:44.56 | agike | jhutchins: Hmm .. |
| 20:45.10 | botmind | dvs: S/PDIF, S/PDIF Ca, S/DIF Ca - no controls available and they are like empty, S/PDIF Pl - stays on 0, when I rise up, nothing happens, S/PDIF Pl - shows "Analog" |
| 20:45.28 | bnk | jhutchins: when I try 'alsa' in pidin...the sound doesn't work |
| 20:45.37 | dvs | botmind: that's fine. As long as they say "MM" at the bottom. |
| 20:45.42 | bnk | jhutchins: I don't pulseaudio running |
| 20:45.45 | jhutchins | agike: Unfortunately I can't access my squeeze system right now, but I think it's "osprober" that is supposed to do that, and I think that's a grub module. |
| 20:45.50 | bnk | jhutchins: *have |
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| 20:46.09 | botmind | dvs: so I can control only pre-last S/PDIF Pl.. but it says on 0 |
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| 20:46.32 | dvs | botmind: there's no box just above the "0" ? |
| 20:46.47 | agike | jhutchins: bash: osprober: command not found |
| 20:46.49 | jhutchins | bnk: It's possible that mpd is taking exclusive control of the audio device. |
| 20:46.49 | botmind | dvs: ah! so it is "MM" yes! but pre last one S/PDIF Pl shows 0, last one - no boxes, just "Analog" |
| 20:47.04 | botmind | dvs: there is a box only for the pre-last S/PDIF Pl |
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| 20:47.47 | dvs | botmind: as long as there are an "MM" in the ones that have a box above the number |
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| 20:48.52 | botmind | dvs: hm this kind of only for Surround, Mic, Video, PC Speaker |
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| 20:48.59 | jhutchins | agike: That's one of the things about sid: no warante. If it breaks, you get to keep both pieces. |
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| 20:49.05 | dvs | botmind: ...and digital output. |
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| 20:49.16 | botmind | dvs: and Phone |
| 20:49.33 | dvs | botmind: you don't want the digital output. |
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| 20:49.45 | paxcoder | hey peeps. i'm not a java regular (far from it), basically i need to install JDBC SQLite driver. Anyone knows how that's done? apt-cache search doesn't list anything useful. |
| 20:49.49 | bnk | jhutchins: yeh...but it worked in lenny |
| 20:49.54 | jhutchins | agike: I suppose you'll have to drop a manual entry into it. |
| 20:50.00 | jhutchins | bnk: Right. Lenny works. |
| 20:50.05 | agike | jhutchins: Heh .. |
| 20:50.20 | jhutchins | bnk: Squeeze is "testing", which means "might work, might not". |
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| 20:50.51 | bnk | jhutchins: yep.. |
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| 20:51.04 | paxcoder | which in turn means Debian is old software |
| 20:51.15 | jhutchins | bnk: I would say it's time to search the BTS and see if anybody else is having this problem with your chipset. |
| 20:51.28 | botmind | dvs: here I've uploaded a shot http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/2679/snapshot1an.png |
| 20:51.29 | jhutchins | paxcoder: No, it means debian is stable, well tested, PATCHED software. |
| 20:51.31 | t3a | I'm trying to move space from sda2 (home folder) to sda1 (root) because root doesnt have enough space. I try to resize sd2 but gparted wont let me. also the partition has a warning triangle next to it. |
| 20:51.49 | paxcoder | jhutchins, too old for Desktop use, and some server uses |
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| 20:52.11 | themill | paxcoder: please troll elsewhere. We're bored with that line. |
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| 20:52.22 | jhutchins | paxcoder: Nope. Been running it for four years (and Linux for about fifteen), encountered exactly ONE package that wasn't available, |
| 20:52.28 | paxcoder | themill, i'm bored with Squeeze is "testing", which means "might work, might not". |
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| 20:52.40 | botmind | dvs: note, PCM control does nothing, mutting it does mute mp3 playback for ex. in Lenny the control over it was working as master control.. but here is a real trouble and nothing can controls the volume |
| 20:52.42 | paxcoder | jhutchins, i didn't say it lacks software |
| 20:52.47 | jhutchins | paxcoder: So go run lfs or gentoo. |
| 20:52.53 | themill | paxcoder: then fix the remaining bugs so that it can be released. (And even then, it's not going to be bug free, is it?) |
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| 20:53.05 | paxcoder | themill, nope |
| 20:53.22 | paxcoder | jhutchins, no, i'm satisfied with unstable. runs fairly fine for me. |
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| 20:53.49 | paxcoder | bnk, that's even more far away from stable than testing fyi |
| 20:53.59 | paxcoder | (there's also "experimental") |
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| 20:54.09 | jhutchins | paxcoder: Fine for you, please don't encourage new users to use it out of versionitis. |
| 20:54.10 | paxcoder | i've got two packages from experimental |
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| 20:54.34 | themill | wow zomg!!1!eleven! |
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| 20:54.43 | paxcoder | jhutchins, i think that's your disease. if they are forced to use old software to be able to speak bugs here, they'd be better of running Trisquel or smth |
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| 20:55.26 | jhutchins | paxcoder: I choose to use stable because stability and usability are more important to me than the thrill of the bleeding edge. |
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| 20:55.40 | jhutchins | paxcoder: I also understand that version numbers only tell part of the story. |
| 20:55.50 | paxcoder | jhutchins, that's fine. |
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| 20:56.13 | paxcoder | i just hate that opinion monopolizes the channel |
| 20:56.26 | paxcoder | i run Debian on desktop for years now |
| 20:56.40 | jhutchins | What we try to do here is provide support for people running the stable release. |
| 20:56.45 | paxcoder | and it's been a long while since it's been "stable" |
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| 20:56.51 | paxcoder | jhutchins, that's my point |
| 20:56.56 | t3a | >exclusive and |
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| 20:57.25 | jhutchins | Users who want to experiment with testing and unstable should be able to provide their own support, and should not encourage less technical users to try them because they're "newer". |
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| 20:58.09 | paxcoder | jhutchins, i'm pretty sure users everywhere else are fine running newer software. I don't see why it'd be a problem on Debian. |
| 20:58.18 | themill | paxcoder: people who are unable to help themselves shouldn't be running anything other than stable. People who at least show some clue and are engaging in the development process will normally get help here for other releases. People who want to whine don't. |
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| 20:58.37 | jhutchins | I've run distributions that released broken software to meet a deadline, and it wasn't much fun. It meant you WERE forced to run old software, because the current software wouldn't run. |
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| 20:58.51 | paxcoder | themill, how enlightening |
| 20:58.57 | jhutchins | paxcoder: That's fine if they go to you for support. |
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| 20:59.24 | t3a | I'm trying to move space from sda2 (home folder) to sda1 (root) because root doesnt have enough space. I try to resize sd2 but gparted wont let me. also the partition has a warning triangle next to it. |
| 20:59.37 | agike | jhutchins: I'll have to brush up on editing Grub2. Thanks. |
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| 20:59.47 | paxcoder | jhutchins, why don't you support oldstable? your help would be even less needed. |
| 20:59.56 | paxcoder | *only oldstable |
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| 21:00.02 | jhutchins | agike: There is a folder with a couple of sample files where you can drop a template to add it any time. |
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| 21:00.32 | paxcoder | bb |
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| 21:00.44 | jhutchins | Good riddance. |
| 21:00.58 | dvs | (time of your life) |
| 21:02.14 | jhutchins | Early on in Linux you really DID need to run the latest possible version, because everything was pretty new and had lots of problems. These days that's just dumb, there's really no reason you need anything "newer" than lenny. |
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| 21:02.58 | jhutchins | Mandriva got run into the ground trying to keep up with Ubuntu, and Ubuntu has had some very harsh criticism of it's .10 releases lately because too much stuff doesn't work. |
| 21:03.08 | jhutchins | They've got jiggly windows though! |
| 21:03.20 | dvs | woohoo! |
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| 21:03.29 | dvs | on purpose? ;-) |
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| 21:04.51 | access_d | jhutchins: I guess I've never understood it either. But I don't need to be rude about it. :) |
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| 21:05.45 | access_d | jhutchins: I've been a Gentoo user for years, but am now making my way into Debian.. and will probably replace Gentoo with it when Squeeze is a stable release. |
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| 21:06.38 | access_d | I do see the point of say.. Most packages have a lot newer *and* stable releases that are not in "Lenny" |
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| 21:07.03 | access_d | But yes, they are tested a lot less, also. |
| 21:07.09 | jhutchins | All the problems squeeze has with xorg not running on older intel graphics on laptops are in the other distros as well, and are just as bad. |
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| 21:07.56 | jhutchins | These days they don't tend to have a lot of new, stable features though, so there's no real need to have "newer" versions. |
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| 21:08.37 | dvs | Unless DisplayPort becomes mainstream... |
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| 21:08.39 | Black_Prince | holy ... |
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| 21:09.05 | Rickasaurus | well, my laptop has displayport |
| 21:09.12 | Rickasaurus | and it's a Lenovo, not mac |
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| 21:10.00 | dvs | Rickasaurus: have you hooked it up to anything? |
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| 21:10.16 | Rickasaurus | yeah, I use it for my dual-output |
| 21:10.27 | dvs | cool! |
| 21:10.59 | Rickasaurus | it is kind of silly how many different display adapters we have these days though |
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| 21:11.19 | Rickasaurus | on my docking station I have vga, dvi, display port and hdmi |
| 21:11.23 | Rickasaurus | what? |
| 21:11.35 | dvs | Rickasaurus: well, AMD and Intel hopes to narrow it down to DisplayPort and HDMI |
| 21:11.56 | Rickasaurus | vga is pretty hard to kill though |
| 21:12.04 | Rickasaurus | every projector you come across has it |
| 21:12.31 | amphi | Rickasaurus: a stinkpad? |
| 21:12.46 | Rickasaurus | yeah, I <3 my stinkpad |
| 21:12.48 | robokop | my dia projector doesn't have vga |
| 21:12.59 | Rickasaurus | 12" Core i7 with 8gb or ram and ssd |
| 21:13.03 | Rickasaurus | the thing screams :) |
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| 21:16.59 | jhutchins | What's annoying is how they require a whole new API and completely new drivers. |
| 21:16.59 | jhutchins | This business of making it so the kernel won't boot without GUI support is pretty bad too. |
| 21:16.59 | jhutchins | (Mind you I've only heard of one or two cases of that, and not in a released distro.) |
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| 21:26.37 | kingsley | Which commands would you use to a.) list the names of all installed packages beginning with "r-" and b.) purge them? |
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| 21:30.50 | jmarsden | kingsley: dpkg-query -W --showformat '${Package}\n' 'r*' |
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| 21:31.01 | jhutchins | kingsley: dpkg -l "r*" would list them, |
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| 21:31.49 | jmarsden | kingsley: aptitude purge `dpkg-query -W --showformat '${Package}\n' 'r*'` |
| 21:32.22 | jmarsden | jhutchins: that lists them with extra version info etc, not a simple list of package names, though... I think? |
| 21:32.33 | TauPan | hi... I have two debian systems and on one of them "Deja Vu Sans Mono" as well as the "monospace" font are always displayed in bold, regardless of the application. I have no idea how to figure that one out. |
| 21:32.37 | jhutchins | jmarsden: Probably. |
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| 21:32.56 | ElDiabolo | Just want to add dpkg -l | grep -E "^ii r" |
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| 21:34.03 | TauPan | I have "Xft.embolden: False" in my Xdefaults |
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| 21:34.41 | jmarsden | ElDiabolo: That seems less efficient than dpkg -l 'r*' since it list all packages and then filters the list; better to just list what you want in the first place, I'd think. Anyway, now kingsley has 3 ways to do it :) |
| 21:34.41 | TauPan | Xdefaults are identical on both machines, packages might not be identical |
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| 21:36.36 | TauPan | curious... I just checked my ~/.fonts.conf and it contains a stanza <glob>/usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu/DejaVuSansMono.ttf</glob> in a tag called <RejectFont> |
| 21:36.54 | TauPan | I have no idea how that happened. |
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| 21:37.43 | kingsley | jmarsden, jhutchins & ElDiabolo : Thank you. |
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| 21:37.58 | kingsley | needs to go soon. |
| 21:38.03 | foetus | cat /var/lib/dpkg/status | grep -B2 'install ok installed' | grep 'Package:' | cut -d' ' -f2 | sort>packages.$(uname -n) is my way for listing installed packages, anyway.. |
| 21:38.19 | kgoetz | \o/ squeeze installed, only a few pages iof issues too |
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| 21:39.52 | ElDiabolo | kgoetz, hat were the issues? |
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| 21:42.32 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 21:43.24 | datenritter | hi! is there a way to turn off dolphin's video-preview? it doesn't seem to respect the size-limit, which causes serious trouble when accessing a network drive. (div. background processes trying to load remote videos blocking the line.) |
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| 21:44.51 | kgoetz | ElDiabolo: i assume all sorts of installer quirks, including the rc not booting (this is beta2) |
| 21:45.02 | kgoetz | ElDiabolo: i'll check the bts+file bugs later, just happy to be running |
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| 21:48.59 | ElDiabolo | kgoetz, Upgraded my families desktop 2 weeks ago, went rather smoothly but with gnome related annoyances afterwards. |
| 21:49.50 | krtek | Ho |
| 21:49.53 | kgoetz | ElDiabolo: when i upgraded my old hdd it went pretty well, new hdd so new install. iso-hybrid failed to install correctly :( |
| 21:49.53 | krtek | Hi |
| 21:49.59 | discozohan | i can't get, how does rsync works so fast ? I have over 60k files, they are compared by checksums, and it finds the difference for some seconds |
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| 21:50.03 | discozohan | how could it be so fast ? |
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| 21:50.37 | valdyn | discozohan: did you really enable comparison by checksum? |
| 21:50.37 | kgoetz | ElDiabolo: beta2 iso has worked though. not sure how i'll reproduce the instlal bugs - don't want to blow the install away continually |
| 21:50.41 | kgoetz | discozohan: perhaps #rsync |
| 21:51.11 | discozohan | valdyn: yup. I need it for syncing 1 project from several places |
| 21:51.25 | valdyn | discozohan: maybe files are cached |
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| 22:23.30 | davidisko | hi guys, why there is need of /selinux directory if it remains nonmounted with selinuxfs and it's empty? if u delete it it says "Mount failed for selinuxfs on /selinux: No such file or directory" while booting... |
| 22:23.35 | krtek | Hi |
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| 22:38.10 | wissem | flv files wont work on my debian installtion.i m sure that i installed the required codecs thought |
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| 22:39.29 | flobbie | I can't add a ipv6 ip. The ip has a tentative flag all the time with the kernel 2.6.32. I can't ping myself |
| 22:39.32 | flobbie | because of that. |
| 22:39.45 | flobbie | Have you got any idea why? |
| 22:41.29 | qwd | wissem: try vlc |
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| 22:42.08 | wissem | qwd, i ve tried it ,no video output just the sound ! |
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| 22:46.11 | amphi | wissem: FWIW, playing an flv from utube, mplayer sayeth, "Selected video codec: [ffflv] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg Flash video)"" |
| 22:46.18 | thewanderer_ | flobbie: how are you adding the address? |
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| 22:47.20 | wissem | amphi, ffmpeg is installed and i can play flash videos on ff |
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| 22:48.09 | amphi | wissem: but mplayer won't play them? I don't know whether flv containers can contain various types of video stream |
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| 22:49.58 | wissem | amphi, mplayer didnt,but smallplayer did :) |
| 22:50.23 | amphi | I wot not of smallplayer |
| 22:51.08 | wissem | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/smplayer |
| 22:52.01 | amphi | oh, just a FE |
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| 22:58.30 | cesurasean | I'm wanting to resize a madam raid1 array. Is there any guarantee that I won't lose data when shrinking the array? |
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| 23:00.29 | ElDiabolo | cesurasean, If you shrink the filesystem first and do not make mistakes this should be OK. |
| 23:00.34 | petemc | cesurasean: the best guarantee in that situation is a backup |
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| 23:01.04 | petemc | that sounds a bit trite |
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| 23:01.28 | cesurasean | ElDiabolo, so resizing with move the data off the part I'm about to take out? |
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| 23:05.06 | ElDiabolo | cesurasean, What are you going to take out? |
| 23:06.41 | cesurasean | a few gigs |
| 23:08.34 | ElDiabolo | cesurasean, Ah, you are not removing disks, right? |
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| 23:10.00 | ElDiabolo | cesurasean, so yes. But as petemc says, only backups give guarantees. |
| 23:10.08 | cesurasean | ElDiabolo, nope. I'm trying to add another disk to the array which is .60 gig smaller.... :( |
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| 23:22.01 | deed02392 | how can I make rsnapshot dump my remote mysql database and then upload it to the backup server? |
| 23:23.31 | discozohan | mysqldump -> ssh -> mysqldump |
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| 23:23.51 | deed02392 | what's that discozohan? |
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| 23:24.34 | s3a | I just wanted to ask: does /mnt and /media automatically unmount on reboot? |
| 23:24.59 | abrotman | everything automatically unmounts on reboot ? |
| 23:25.35 | cesurasean | heh |
| 23:25.55 | cesurasean | abrotman, you said you had never resized a madam array before? |
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| 23:26.10 | cesurasean | do you think i will lose data by doing this? |
| 23:26.12 | abrotman | i don't use mdadm .. |
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| 23:26.35 | cesurasean | I'm trying to get a census here. Some say I will lose data, and some say I won't. |
| 23:26.53 | s3a | abrotman, ya but does it remount when it starts again? (/mnt and /media) |
| 23:26.53 | deed02392 | probably a good idea to assume you will cesurasean |
| 23:27.06 | s3a | i mean |
| 23:27.12 | s3a | abrotman, /mnt |
| 23:27.18 | abrotman | s3a: is it in /etc/fstab ? |
| 23:27.27 | abrotman | cesurasean: have a backup either way? |
| 23:28.02 | s3a | abrotman, not that i put it, if i only do mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt for example then it'll not re-mount the next boot? |
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| 23:28.41 | ElDiabolo | cesurasean, You won't, if you don't make mistakes. In case of a mistake you'll be happy about your backups. |
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| 23:29.09 | cesurasean | abrotman, yes I have a backup from Amanda in a gzip file. |
| 23:29.16 | cesurasean | I don't really know how to utilize the backup though. |
| 23:29.56 | ElDiabolo | cesurasean, Uh, thats something you want to know :) |
| 23:32.25 | cesurasean | ofcourse |
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| 23:35.01 | poisonbit | Long life to Debian ! |
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| 23:35.30 | ElDiabolo | cesurasean, I have done similiar things (lvm, cryptsetup) several times. Resize the fs, resize the layer below the fs and be careful with the sizes. |
| 23:35.33 | poisonbit | thinking about downgrading dat afrom "cloud" to .local |
| 23:35.47 | infinity0 | what's the debian policy on using setuptools in python packages? |
| 23:36.10 | infinity0 | i notice that none of the python packages i have currently installed use python eggs, but the debian python policy doesn't expressly forbid the use of them |
| 23:36.30 | deed02392 | how can I make rsnapshot dump my remote mysql database and then upload it to the backup server? |
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| 23:38.01 | poisonbit | deed02392, I use other backup system on mysql servers, but google points as first result to http://bash.cyberciti.biz/backup/rsnapshot-remote-mysql-backup-shell-script/ |
| 23:38.06 | poisonbit | maybe it gives some ideas |
| 23:38.22 | cesurasean | ElDiabolo, you didn't lose any data? |
| 23:38.23 | ElDiabolo | deed02392, use mysqldump. If you have innodb tables, --single-transaction gives you a point-in-time backup. |
| 23:38.44 | cesurasean | ElDiabolo, do you think you could help a brotha out and walk me through the steps? |
| 23:38.46 | Digdilem | deed02392, backup-manager will do that very well. I don't know rsnapshot |
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| 23:38.59 | deed02392 | yeah i've read that poisonbit, it's not very helpful |
| 23:39.07 | poisonbit | ouch, sorry then |
| 23:39.59 | deed02392 | ElDiabolo, I want to use mysqldump, but I don't know how to get the dumped data back onto the backup server |
| 23:40.43 | Digdilem | deed02392, read http://www.patrickpatoray.com/?Page=30 |
| 23:40.46 | blip2 | phpmyadmin! |
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| 23:41.01 | deed02392 | i've tried doing `backup_script ssh foo@bar.com "mysqldump --all-databases > /dir.sql" unused3` |
| 23:41.09 | Digdilem | only remove the verbose switch unless you want spam |
| 23:41.11 | deed02392 | which is how the example looked before in the config file |
| 23:41.20 | deed02392 | so i don't understand why it's not working now |
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| 23:42.10 | deed02392 | yeah i've used mysqldump before Digdilem, it's just getting a remote server to do the dump and then copy it from the remote server to the local backup server |
| 23:42.30 | Digdilem | like i say, backup-manager |
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| 23:42.48 | Digdilem | it works for me, and life's too short to learn other apps that do the same thing :) |
| 23:43.04 | deed02392 | the docs are 404... |
| 23:43.21 | Digdilem | but that webpage gives you the commands to restore any backup made with mysqldump |
| 23:44.20 | poisonbit | deed02392, mysql server => cron => dumps; ... on the other side... rsnapshot => remote dumps path as any other file.... (?) |
| 23:44.22 | Digdilem | so they are. Good job you don't really need the docs |
| 23:45.26 | deed02392 | i've thought of that poisonbit, but i'm sure it's possible to get rsnapshot to initiate mysqldump and get that file |
| 23:45.31 | deed02392 | which would be much better |
| 23:46.39 | poisonbit | to block file backups, while database is dumping ? |
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| 23:47.36 | deed02392 | it just means i don't have to think about getting the timings right |
| 23:47.45 | deed02392 | or otherwise having a less recent version than the rest of the files in the backup |
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| 23:48.26 | cesurasean | ElDiabolo, did you see my question? |
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| 23:49.10 | poisonbit | deed02392, I've a cheap backup on some ISPs... remote ftp only option, if you know shell scripting, maybe this give you ideas: http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=132804 |
| 23:49.27 | poisonbit | the cuted letters is the cron task |
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| 23:49.42 | ElDiabolo | cesurasean, sorry, overlooked it. Actually no, its 00:50 here and I'll go to bed in a few minutes. |
| 23:50.01 | poisonbit | If the rsnapshot documentation doesn't helps you, try doing yourself what you need |
| 23:50.13 | deed02392 | :( |
| 23:50.27 | deed02392 | i'm just going to have to dump the database with cron and let it pick it up afterwards |
| 23:50.33 | deed02392 | this feels hacky |
| 23:50.44 | deed02392 | i've already put the time into doing the rest of the rsnapshot conf |
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| 23:53.26 | themill | deed02392: you might like to look at the backup_script config option. |
| 23:53.34 | poisonbit | deed02392, looking currently rsnapshot docs, I see a line like: backup_script /usr/local/bin/backup_pgsql.sh pgsql_backup/ |
| 23:54.30 | deed02392 | see up, i've already tried it themill |
| 23:54.35 | deed02392 | poisonbit that executes on the local machine |
| 23:54.42 | deed02392 | i'm trying to backup a remote server from the backup server |
| 23:54.59 | poisonbit | do you've ssh-keyless between them ? |
| 23:55.03 | deed02392 | yes |
| 23:55.06 | poisonbit | :) |
| 23:55.10 | poisonbit | then ? |
| 23:55.45 | poisonbit | you can run locally remote commands at execution time |
| 23:55.48 | deed02392 | i still can't persuade rsnapshot to create the dump and get it using the backup_script |
| 23:55.53 | deed02392 | how? |
| 23:56.16 | poisonbit | errr I've never done, but google seems helpful using a few keywords |
| 23:56.24 | poisonbit | rsnapshot remote mysql |
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| 23:56.33 | poisonbit | arffffff |
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| 23:57.05 | simonrvn | !ops someone set +r please |
| 23:57.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: simonrvn complains about: someone set +r please |
| 23:57.06 | shortcircuit | By a botnet! Yow. |
| 23:57.07 | G_O_D | WFT! |
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| 23:57.25 | p3rror | never see flood in debian channel |
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| 23:57.33 | simonrvn | \o/ themill |
| 23:57.33 | joshsmith | yeah that was bizarre |
| 23:57.38 | poisonbit | life is a flood |
| 23:57.55 | simonrvn | you haven't been around long enough ;) |
| 23:57.55 | deed02392 | i've been googling rsnapshot remote mysql for ages poisonbit |
| 23:58.05 | deed02392 | none of the methods look usable |
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| 23:58.12 | joshsmith | simonrvn: You'll appreciate my design on the "FUNDING SUCCESSFUL" part: http://www.goals.com/support/5/Launch-Goals |
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| 23:59.43 | poisonbit | deed02392, do you can enable mysql traffic between hosts ? |
| 23:59.52 | themill | deed02392: backup_script is all you need -- just get it to ssh from the backup machine to the db server and mysqldump over that conncection to the backup server |
| 23:59.52 | poisonbit | you can use as local but wioth mysql -h |
