| 00:00.11 | poisonbit | -h$host |
| 00:00.22 | deed02392 | i tried that themill, it told me it couldn't execute ssh, even though i've set cmd_ssh correctly |
| 00:00.34 | themill | deed02392: cmd_ssh has nothing to do with that |
| 00:00.54 | deed02392 | if you can see up in spite of the spam, i've sent the line i tried |
| 00:00.55 | themill | you need to write a short script to do it and call that script from backup_script |
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| 00:01.13 | deed02392 | a short script that's tstored on the local machine? |
| 00:01.21 | deed02392 | or will backup_script execute on the remote in a temp dir and upload that? |
| 00:02.20 | deed02392 | from what i understand it tells me backup_script will run anything you like, and any files it creates it will backup to the dir you specify |
| 00:02.38 | poisonbit | "With this parameter, the second column is the full path to an executable backup script, and the third column is the local path you want to store it in (just like with the "backup" parameter). For example:" |
| 00:02.57 | poisonbit | so, you local script can make ssh remote dobackup |
| 00:03.06 | deed02392 | so do you suggest i do that, create a bash script to ssh into the remote server, create the file, scp back to the bash script dir and then exit? |
| 00:03.41 | deed02392 | create the dump, i should have said before scp |
| 00:04.04 | themill | it's possible to do it in one step rather than two, but yes, that's how you could do it. |
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| 00:04.14 | deed02392 | i like the idea of one step themill |
| 00:04.41 | deed02392 | what would you do to get that mysqldump output straight to the backup server? |
| 00:04.52 | deed02392 | considering it's a couple hundred mB |
| 00:04.57 | deed02392 | MiB* |
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| 00:05.56 | poisonbit | deed02392, k.i.s.s. rsnapshot is "thinked" to backup files. Do your dump at the "best for you" hour, and let files backup himself... |
| 00:06.44 | poisonbit | (IMHO) |
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| 00:07.31 | poisonbit | and of course, exclude mysql "hot" files if they are so big :) |
| 00:07.33 | deed02392 | poisonbit? i'm not sure i understand that sentence |
| 00:07.53 | deed02392 | well that's another point, i need the rsync functionality because the file will be large |
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| 00:08.56 | thomaschaaf | am having some trouble with bash http://pastie.org/1465265 can someone help me make this work? |
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| 00:09.57 | poisonbit | var=value |
| 00:10.06 | poisonbit | no spaces, no dereference on declare |
| 00:10.21 | poisonbit | var="$(cmd)" |
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| 00:10.28 | thomaschaaf | k |
| 00:11.03 | poisonbit | "`cmd`" if you need portability, dash, busybox, solaris, osx, etc |
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| 00:12.09 | poisonbit | well... i do not see busybox with mysql |
| 00:12.13 | poisonbit | :P |
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| 00:13.03 | deed02392 | themill could you please describe how i could simplify my method in such a way that incorporates incremental backup of the sql dump? |
| 00:13.13 | deed02392 | i am losing hair now |
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| 00:13.45 | poisonbit | errr was not rsnapshot rsync based ? |
| 00:13.59 | babilen | poisonbit: it is |
| 00:14.16 | poisonbit | I think that if rsync needs to transfer a file by changes, it transfer the full file |
| 00:14.43 | thomaschaaf | poisonbit: it keeps saying ./test.sh: line 1: =147: command not found |
| 00:14.50 | poisonbit | so just save always the dump as $db_name |
| 00:14.50 | thomaschaaf | where 147 is the query result |
| 00:15.35 | poisonbit | can you paste here line 1 ? |
| 00:15.37 | abrotman | thomaschaaf: did you ask #bash ? |
| 00:15.41 | poisonbit | or that |
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| 00:16.02 | thomaschaaf | http://pastie.org/1465276 |
| 00:16.07 | abrotman | you probably want to take the $ off of $count ? |
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| 00:16.33 | poisonbit | remove the $ |
| 00:16.48 | poisonbit | and the middle " |
| 00:16.56 | poisonbit | scape them |
| 00:17.22 | poisonbit | a no, that no, do not need to scape them |
| 00:17.38 | poisonbit | that's the advantage of $() |
| 00:18.56 | poisonbit | "Looks more like php than bash" <-- #bash |
| 00:18.59 | poisonbit | xD |
| 00:20.13 | poisonbit | (after the needed faqtoids) |
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| 00:25.38 | thomaschaaf | poisonbit: I have been fidling around and I can't get it to work :( http://pastie.org/1465296 I just need the variable to be set |
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| 00:27.17 | poisonbit | uh |
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| 00:27.42 | thomaschaaf | poisonbit: ./test.sh: line 1: =142: command not found |
| 00:27.57 | poisonbit | sorry, var="$(cmd)" is not $var=`(cmd)` |
| 00:28.03 | poisonbit | compare |
| 00:28.20 | poisonbit | please |
| 00:28.58 | thomaschaaf | so what is the correct usage? |
| 00:29.04 | thomaschaaf | ah |
| 00:29.11 | thomaschaaf | no$ before var :( |
| 00:29.36 | thomaschaaf | thanks.. I did not look there :) |
| 00:29.42 | thomaschaaf | have a great night guys |
| 00:31.04 | xand | thomaschaaf: result=$(blah) |
| 00:31.10 | xand | echo $result |
| 00:31.31 | xand | or: |
| 00:31.36 | xand | result=`blah` |
| 00:31.38 | xand | echo $result |
| 00:31.44 | poisonbit | or |
| 00:31.55 | poisonbit | echo `blah` |
| 00:32.09 | poisonbit | and you save some ram |
| 00:32.11 | xand | or just blah |
| 00:32.28 | xand | presumably though the echo was just a test. |
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| 00:35.07 | poisonbit | what is a good bind9 replacement for LAN dns, that is not the DJBerstein one ? # define good <in_debian_stable.h> |
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| 00:35.25 | Accelerator | Can I install PHP 5.2.11 through aptitude? |
| 00:35.33 | thewanderer1 | poisonbit: dnsmasq |
| 00:35.38 | poisonbit | !versions php |
| 00:35.50 | poisonbit | thewanderer1, that is the one with dhcp too ? |
| 00:35.57 | poisonbit | can dhcp be disabled ? |
| 00:36.00 | thewanderer1 | poisonbit: yes |
| 00:36.02 | poisonbit | I use isc dhcpd |
| 00:36.05 | poisonbit | okis, thanks |
| 00:36.48 | babilen | ,versions php5 |
| 00:36.50 | judd | Package php5 on i386 -- etch: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; sid: 5.3.3-7; squeeze: 5.3.3-7 |
| 00:36.55 | xand | the dhcp part is disabled by default on debian |
| 00:37.11 | babilen | Accelerator: That version is not available as you can see. |
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| 00:37.19 | thewanderer1 | xand: hmm, what tells you that? |
| 00:37.34 | xand | nothing does, I just know it is |
| 00:37.36 | xand | cos I use it |
| 00:37.36 | thewanderer1 | oh, I see. there is no dhcp pool set |
| 00:37.46 | Accelerator | babilen, "The version of PHP you are using has known issues with PostgreSQL. You need to upgrade PHP to 5.2.11, 5.3.1 or greater." So we have a problem here :/ |
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| 00:39.41 | poisonbit | A versions problem, that probably means that you're using "cutting edge"(buggy/api changer) libraries/programs for your problem domain (production?) |
| 00:39.55 | babilen | Accelerator: You might be able to backport php 5.3.3 from sid/squeeze -- Not sure how easy that is though. Ask dpkg about "ssb" ... |
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| 00:42.50 | abrotman | skeptical |
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| 00:43.52 | poisonbit | always you can install lamp stack by hand to /usr/local or /opt and foot yourself in the foot |
| 00:44.38 | poisonbit | and keep that way for recursive php needs |
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| 00:45.48 | poisonbit | it's nice to be subscribed to 17 security lists to track your /usr/local |
| 00:45.56 | Accelerator | babilen, If I install php53, will that run independantly from my other PHP version, and could I just have that one site use php5.3? |
| 00:46.12 | poisonbit | he |
| 00:47.44 | babilen | Accelerator: If you install the backported package it will upgrade the "old" version. Are you sure that you actually run into any problems with the version in Lenny? |
| 00:48.05 | Accelerator | babilen, Drupal refuses to install. |
| 00:48.17 | poisonbit | Accelerator, you can make a workaround a bit ofuscated |
| 00:48.26 | Accelerator | It's stingy. |
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| 00:48.49 | poisonbit | debootdtrap, chroot, run apache in other port with php version.. run mod_proxy to that port on main system |
| 00:49.08 | poisonbit | that can be done in "one vhost" |
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| 00:49.13 | babilen | Accelerator: You can't install drupal6? Could I see the output of that installation please? (aptitude install drupal6) |
| 00:49.41 | poisonbit | last time I installed drupal it worked |
| 00:50.00 | Accelerator | Drupal 7 |
| 00:50.15 | poisonbit | has not try that |
| 00:50.17 | abrotman | drupal is packaged in Debian |
| 00:50.27 | Accelerator | How is a CMS packaged in debian.. lol? |
| 00:50.43 | Accelerator | I'm using PLESK so I don't believe that'd work the way you're thinking. |
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| 00:51.24 | poisonbit | PLESK + irc, like ying + yang |
| 00:51.44 | abrotman | are you using any Debian packages? |
| 00:51.47 | flypp | Accelerator, aptitude search drupal |
| 00:51.48 | Accelerator | http://hostthatimage.com/img/1295139104-Screenshot-190.png |
| 00:51.49 | flypp | enjoy xD |
| 00:51.51 | paxcoder | I tried to install a package without some dependencies, and now i can't start any app (i had my IRC client running). Any ideas? |
| 00:52.13 | Accelerator | abrotman, PHP + Apache is isntalled through debian |
| 00:52.15 | paxcoder | *graphical application |
| 00:52.41 | babilen | paxcoder: Which package was that? And what is the error you are getting? |
| 00:52.42 | abrotman | paxcoder: that's why they're called depenencies ... |
| 00:53.39 | paxcoder | babilen, a non-offical package. i would paste you the error had i access to my browsers |
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| 00:54.13 | paxcoder | babilen, i could... PM you? |
| 00:54.22 | babilen | why would you want to do that? |
| 00:54.34 | paxcoder | babilen, so i don't flood the channel |
| 00:54.51 | babilen | You could use "pastebinit" for example |
| 00:55.07 | babilen | I would start with the removal of that package. |
| 00:55.15 | paxcoder | babilen, tried that |
| 00:55.18 | paxcoder | what's pastebinit? |
| 00:55.21 | Accelerator | But regarding my other question |
| 00:55.38 | Accelerator | Could I just install php53 and set htaccess with "application/x-httpd-php53 .php" and it work? |
| 00:55.46 | abrotman | paxcoder: aptitdue show pastebinit |
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| 00:56.14 | poisonbit | Accelerator, sure, default debian apache allows it |
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| 00:56.37 | Accelerator | poisonbit, great, thanks! |
| 00:56.49 | poisonbit | good luck ! |
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| 00:57.39 | Caelum_ | how do I tell aptitude to install recommended packages too? |
| 00:57.39 | paxcoder | babilen, http://pastebin.com/NEtZ0M8H |
| 00:58.21 | poisonbit | Caelum, is not the default? -r |
| 00:58.25 | Accelerator | Wait, what's debians php5.3 package? |
| 00:58.29 | Accelerator | I only see php5 |
| 00:58.38 | Caelum | poisonbit: it says "these packages are recommended but will not be installed" |
| 00:58.48 | Caelum | poisonbit: when I do a safe-upgrade |
| 00:59.03 | poisonbit | then try -r |
| 00:59.20 | poisonbit | --with-recommends |
| 00:59.31 | Caelum | poisonbit: ahh great, thank you |
| 00:59.35 | poisonbit | no prob |
| 00:59.42 | paxcoder | abrotman, babilen, anything? |
| 00:59.46 | poisonbit | ,versions php5 |
| 00:59.47 | judd | Package php5 on i386 -- etch: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; sid: 5.3.3-7; squeeze: 5.3.3-7 |
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| 01:00.43 | poisonbit | ^^^ Accelerator see http://packages.debian.org for details |
| 01:01.13 | babilen | paxcoder: Remove the shared-mime-info package |
| 01:01.18 | lauris | Accelerator, google: dotdeb |
| 01:01.45 | lauris | i use this rep to get php53 working on lenny |
| 01:01.54 | paxcoder | babilen, that's a dependency of a load of things |
| 01:01.58 | abrotman | do NOT use dotdeb .. those packages usually break your system |
| 01:03.23 | paxcoder | babilen, my friend g_strcmp0 is reoccurring when trying to run some GUI: eog: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_strcmp0 |
| 01:04.16 | babilen | paxcoder: What did you install that caused these problems? |
| 01:04.50 | paxcoder | babilen, mysql-browser. I've removed it. |
| 01:05.01 | abrotman | paxcoder: whatever package you installed form outside debian, isn't setup for your version of debian |
| 01:06.05 | Accelerator | http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=php+5.3 /me is slightly confused |
| 01:06.18 | paxcoder | abrotman, i haven't had a dependency. are you saying that if i were to satisfy it, it'll still crash and burn? |
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| 01:06.21 | babilen | paxcoder: Which version of Debian do you run? |
| 01:06.31 | paxcoder | babilen, i run unstable |
| 01:07.32 | poisonbit | Accelerator, "php5" |
| 01:08.19 | Accelerator | poisonbit, But will this replace 5.2 then? |
| 01:08.52 | poisonbit | haven't tryed, I don't know :( |
| 01:09.03 | babilen | paxcoder: Could you paste the output of "ldd $(which which update-mime-database.real)" please? |
| 01:09.04 | poisonbit | is a php-ignorant |
| 01:09.17 | babilen | paxcoder: uh, remove one of the "which" :) |
| 01:09.42 | babilen | Accelerator: it will |
| 01:10.12 | Accelerator | babilen, So how can I install php5.3 alongside php5.2 on debian? |
| 01:10.34 | paxcoder | babilen, http://pastebin.com/9qk0faJq |
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| 01:10.50 | poisonbit | Accelerator, using packages... dunno |
| 01:11.02 | babilen | paxcoder: /usr/local/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 ??? |
| 01:11.03 | poisonbit | using one packages + other maybe |
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| 01:12.15 | paxcoder | babilen, i've been compiling things blindly... |
| 01:12.44 | babilen | paxcoder: So it seems ... You might want to open your eyes. |
| 01:13.53 | paxcoder | babilen, so how do I replace the lib (given that probably half the packages depend on it) |
| 01:14.26 | babilen | paxcoder: Which lib? /usr/local/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 ? |
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| 01:14.54 | paxcoder | libglib-2.0, yes |
| 01:15.03 | babilen | paxcoder: Use the one from the libglib2.0-0 package? |
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| 01:16.35 | paxcoder | babilen, should i manually link to it somewhere? |
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| 01:17.17 | babilen | Accelerator: You might be able to install it locally to /usr/local, I would recommend using stow (/msg dpkg stow -- /msg dpkg stow usage) to adminstrate that. I can't tell you off hand how well that'll work with apache though. |
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| 01:18.59 | paxcoder | babilen, there's no other way to revert to system version? |
| 01:19.06 | babilen | paxcoder: No, you should have a perfectly fine /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so -- I have no idea why you put a manually compiled one in /usr/local, but you obviously made mistakes when you did that. |
| 01:19.54 | paxcoder | babilen, i didn't put it there, i've compiled it from the source and this happened |
| 01:20.06 | paxcoder | so i don't know why... |
| 01:20.39 | paxcoder | babilen, do you think apt-get source would work (i just replace the .so), or would that further break things? |
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| 01:21.32 | Dis0 | hi |
| 01:21.49 | babilen | paxcoder: Just remove the lib(s?) from /usr/local and (re-)install the Debian packages. I have no idea what you did to your system or why you thought that it is a good idea to blindly compile random libs :) |
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| 01:22.44 | Accelerator | So dotdeb = bad? |
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| 01:24.22 | abrotman | !dotdeb |
| 01:24.22 | dpkg | it has been said that dotdeb is for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. The packages from backports.debian.org are vastly superior.. Ask me about <backports> and <debian-backports>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
| 01:24.31 | abrotman | we won't help you iwth them .. have fun |
| 01:25.38 | babilen | Accelerator: So, I take it that you failed to backport it yourself? |
| 01:26.43 | Accelerator | babilen, I've just been looking around right now and come accross a number of dotdeb mentions, but I'm going to try using a backport |
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| 01:29.49 | Accelerator | So I enabled the backports and updated it, do I just run update php5 now? |
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| 01:29.59 | babilen | paxcoder: Use something like "make uninstall" or just delete them manually if that make target is not available. (Please keep it in the channel) |
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| 01:31.02 | babilen | Accelerator: The package is not available from backports, so you have to backport it yourself. Ask dpkg about "ssb" (/msg dpkg ssb) -- Have you read my other messages concerning /usr/local and stow? |
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| 01:32.29 | Accelerator | babilen, Yeah |
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| 01:33.24 | Accelerator | Out of curiosity, are there any plans to ever officially update php 5.2 ? |
| 01:33.44 | Accelerator | Or is it being deprecated entirely for php5.3 |
| 01:34.02 | babilen | Accelerator: #php might know :-\ |
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| 01:37.24 | paxcoder | babilen, do I remove the whole /usr/local? And how do I know which packages to reinstall? |
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| 01:39.02 | access_d | cd |
| 01:39.09 | access_d | lol, woops |
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| 01:41.09 | paxcoder | babilen, if i don't fix this now, i'll boot into shell tomorrow. please help. |
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| 01:44.50 | babilen | paxcoder: How should I know what you installed to /usr/local? Remove the libraries you installed there, search for their equivalent with apt-file or on packages.debian.org and install the Debian package. It might also be that the Debian package is still installed, but the librarie is just shadowed by your local installation. In that case you *might* have to run ldconfig (be careful with that) -- i'm off to bed soon. Good luck. |
| 01:45.27 | babilen | paxcoder: And please: keep it in the channel. Others might be willing/able to help as well. |
| 01:47.19 | paxcoder | babilen, it reports the non-std package as being installed when i try to --reinstall |
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| 01:47.35 | paxcoder | does this mean i have to use ldconfig |
| 01:48.19 | paxcoder | babilen, the problem is that the non-std version is higher |
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| 01:48.58 | babilen | which non-std version? which package are you talking about? And please, let me see it â paste |
| 01:49.55 | paxcoder | babilen, libglib2.0*: http://pastebin.com/t19kynxm |
| 01:51.11 | babilen | ,versions libglib2.0-bin |
| 01:51.11 | judd | Package libglib2.0-bin on i386 -- experimental: 2.27.91-1 |
| 01:51.15 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 01:51.29 | babilen | paxcoder: You tried hard to break your system didn't you? |
| 01:51.42 | paxcoder | babilen, actually, it was pretty easy XD |
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| 01:52.19 | paxcoder | babilen, would you suggest to install the experimental package (since it has a higher number)? |
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| 01:52.29 | nickgaw | with the debian-installer fro squeeze is there a way to make a preseeding tile as I install or use one from the command line from an usb stick or from the installer main menu on debconf priority low? |
| 01:52.32 | paxcoder | or would that be just as bad? |
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| 01:52.58 | stuckey | !sound |
| 01:52.58 | dpkg | [sound] Ask me about <alsa>, <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>, <default alsa>. See also <devdsp>, <dmix>, <ac97>, <oss4>, <pulseaudio>, <esound>, <rs>, <arts>, <microphone>. |
| 01:53.05 | stuckey | how do I enable sound? |
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| 01:53.29 | babilen | Well, the hard part comes now. And I am whether in the mood to walk you through this (as an user of unstable you should know how to do this anyway) nor awake enough to do this in any sensible manner. The best suggestion I can give you is: Backup + Reinstall |
| 01:53.53 | stuckey | I can get into alsamixer but I can't move master up from 00. |
| 01:54.22 | nickgaw | is anything loaded does it say any chips or just the pc speaker? |
| 01:54.40 | stuckey | Realtek ALC861 |
| 01:54.41 | stuckey | shows that |
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| 01:55.11 | nickgaw | if you hit m does anything change? it might be muted. |
| 01:55.27 | stuckey | nickgaw: mutes and unmutes it. |
| 01:55.34 | stuckey | can't move volume above 00 still |
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| 01:56.25 | nickgaw | try going to the root prompt and installing both alsa-tools and alsa-utils as that is what I did did you install X windows when you were installing as I did not? |
| 01:56.54 | Third3ye | So what's the best remote desktop solution for Debian? What is considered to be most secure... VNC, FreeNX, ssh X11 tunnel? |
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| 01:57.16 | stuckey | didn't do anything |
| 01:57.35 | nickgaw | are you looking for a command line after connecting or a GUI for command line ssh works fine |
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| 01:58.11 | babilen | paxcoder: If you decide to keep on working on your broken system: You don't want *any* packages from experimental. Remove them and downgrade all others to sid (sic! the horror) -- You can do that by pinning sid to, for example, 1001 -- But again: I think it is much less work to just backup your data and reinstall Squeeze using the shiny new rc1 installer. |
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| 01:58.54 | babilen | paxcoder: Good luck. And please don't ever do that to your system again -- You killed at least 24 kittens today. |
| 01:59.28 | stuckey | !enable sound |
| 01:59.31 | paxcoder | babilen, i thought i can't downgrade? |
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| 01:59.57 | tlchack5 | I |
| 01:59.59 | paxcoder | (also i am using sid already) |
| 02:00.02 | Arrowmaster | depends on the package, trying to downgrade certain ones will completely break your system |
| 02:00.45 | tlchack5 | I'm trying to set up an apache webserver on my home network and it is plugged into a linksys router. I can't figure out how to get the router to send incoming traffic to the server, any ideas? |
| 02:01.10 | tlchack5 | apache is running on debian* |
| 02:01.27 | paxcoder | Arrowmaster, i have some versions higher than they're supposed to be. they're broken and so I'd just want to return to the standard versions. |
| 02:01.32 | paxcoder | (which are lower) |
| 02:01.41 | paxcoder | (or equal) |
| 02:01.46 | Arrowmaster | tlchack5: portforward.com |
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| 02:03.04 | Arrowmaster | wow that site used to be good, now its completely horrible |
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| 02:05.31 | tlchack5 | lool |
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| 02:13.02 | paxcoder | Arrowmaster, what do you say? |
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| 02:26.32 | paxcoder | :-( |
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| 02:28.54 | paxcoder | i think i fixed it. |
| 02:29.24 | paxcoder | yep, seems so |
| 02:30.53 | paxcoder | hahaaaa |
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| 02:35.08 | tlchack5 | worked awesome! thanks |
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| 02:35.30 | tlchack5 | btw, is there a way to change console color in debian? I'm not using a desktop environment. |
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| 03:20.12 | NiveusLuna | How do I set the time zone for a specific user? I have a friend in a different time zone with a shell account on my server, and I'd like for him to see his own time in irssi. |
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| 03:20.53 | dvs | NiveusLuna: set the TZ variable |
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| 03:22.13 | NiveusLuna | dvs: to? |
| 03:22.43 | dvs | NiveusLuna: to your time zone |
| 03:23.02 | NiveusLuna | dvs: ah, found something on google. thanks. |
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| 04:23.59 | wad | Question for you guys: I installed tomcat5.5 on my debian box. It's already running httpd on port 80, so the default tomcat port 8080 is fine, I guess. Problem: I think my iptables are preventing it from getting out on port 8080. I'm reading the iptables docs, but I'm not sure I understand it. How can I check this? |
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| 04:30.47 | jellow | I'm having trouble finding out what process is hogging one of my sockets , how can i find out? |
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| 04:33.27 | elkclone | top |
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| 04:38.31 | wad | netstat -tapn |
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| 04:45.55 | cesurasean | nevermind |
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| 04:52.12 | jimmybgood | wad: try "sudo iptables -F OUTPUT" and see if that makes a dif |
| 04:52.32 | wad | jimmybgood, oh, thanks, but I found my problem. It had installed to port 8180 instead of 8080. |
| 04:52.41 | wad | So it's working (more or less). |
| 04:53.00 | wad | But now people are telling me not to trust the debian package for tomcat 5.5. |
| 04:53.09 | wad | As it tends to be broken. |
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| 04:59.58 | matu | Hi, is anyone using a 3dfx voodoo 3 ? |
| 05:00.34 | homie | no we only use black voodoo |
| 05:00.37 | homie | lol |
| 05:00.53 | Bop_ | lol matu that's too old |
| 05:00.58 | matu | too old ? |
| 05:01.02 | Bop_ | i have one , like 10 years ago |
| 05:01.06 | matu | do you know it can run half life ? |
| 05:01.07 | Bop_ | i had |
| 05:01.12 | matu | so it is not too old... |
| 05:01.36 | matu | if you can run half life you should be able to surf the net... |
| 05:01.37 | Bop_ | yeah its old |
| 05:01.53 | Bop_ | sure , its good for surfing |
| 05:01.56 | matu | hum ok it is old but it is works nice |
| 05:02.19 | Bop_ | voodoo 3 3000 or 2000 ? |
| 05:02.24 | simonrvn | do you have a debian question? |
| 05:03.03 | matu | it is just that i am reading it is not possible to use 3d acceleration and 1280x1024 mode with the voodoo 3 |
| 05:03.07 | matu | can you confirm that ? |
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| 05:03.42 | matu | no i dont simonrvn i am here to talk about flower |
| 05:04.04 | matu | Bop_, i dont know '^^ |
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| 05:04.28 | matu | dont you have your voodoo 3 anymore Bop_ ? |
| 05:04.38 | Bop_ | not anymore |
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| 05:04.58 | matu | did you use it lately ? |
| 05:05.12 | Bop_ | last time i use it was 10 years ago |
| 05:05.17 | matu | lol ok |
| 05:06.31 | simonrvn | this isn't a socialising channel |
| 05:06.57 | Bop_ | yeah |
| 05:07.08 | Bop_ | your question is more a X.org question that a debian question |
| 05:08.00 | matu | i wanted to know if someone was able to use the 3d acceleration of the voodoo 3 on debian |
| 05:08.21 | matu | but because you dont know, i think i am going to stay here in order to re ask my question :) |
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| 05:09.51 | simonrvn | matu: there should be a voodoo driver or maybe matrox |
| 05:10.02 | simonrvn | apt-cache search for it |
| 05:10.50 | Bop_ | he should be using it right now |
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| 05:12.14 | matu | lol it does not answer my question |
| 05:12.21 | vipe | I'm trying to build a php5 package. apt complains "E: Build-dependencies for php5 could not be satisfied". I'm trying to figure out which/what cannot be satisfied, afaik apt has no verbose debug options. Any idea's? |
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| 05:13.46 | vipe | drupal 7 complains on the default deb package... :( need to recompile/recreate it... |
| 05:14.39 | matu | thank you Bop_ and simonrvn |
| 05:14.47 | Bop_ | k |
| 05:19.37 | simonrvn | vipe: er, WorksForMe |
| 05:20.27 | simonrvn | matu: you didn't really ask a question, so how could we know what it was? |
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| 05:22.16 | tharkun | thanks simonrvn for making his window history last a bit longer due to the lack of spam |
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| 05:26.24 | vipe | simonrvn: let me try again. I'll get back to you. thx! |
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| 05:45.56 | vipe | simonrvn: got it i think, need to fix: libidn11-dev: Depends: libidn11 (= 1.8+20080606-1) but 1.9-1 is to be installed |
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| 05:56.30 | wad | So I installed tomcat 7 on my debian box, and daemonized it according to these instructions: http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-7.0-doc/setup.html |
| 05:56.47 | wad | and it's working; I can see it on port 8080, and I can see it in "ps -ef" |
| 05:57.01 | wad | But what I don't understand is how this daemon is supposed to be controlled. |
| 05:57.27 | wad | For example, how do I restart it? There's no /etc/init.d/tomcat happiness here. |
| 05:57.47 | wad | Do I just send a "kill -3" to the PID? |
| 05:57.57 | wad | When I reboot will it come back? |
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| 06:01.30 | jimmybgood | wad: the page you referenced tells how to start it at boot |
| 06:02.23 | wad | jimmybgood, okay, so how does that work? What does that jsvc program do to my system, so that this starts at boot? |
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| 06:04.07 | jimmybgood | wad: i dunno - i don't have that template. i'm guessing the template is for start script to go in /etc/init.d |
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| 06:04.27 | wad | Okay. Looking further at it. Thanks! |
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| 06:12.50 | Xenguy | I need a little grub related help as I just applied the squeeze security update, the instructions were not too clear, so I took a shot, and then got a couple of creepy warnings from grub-setup (though no actual errors apparently) |
| 06:13.31 | Xenguy | The 1st warning is: "/usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Attempting to install GRUB to a partition instead of the MBR. This is a BAD idea.." |
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| 06:14.02 | Xenguy | The 2nd warning is: "/usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Embedding is not possible. GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists. However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged.." |
| 06:14.26 | Xenguy | Then it finishes with: "Installation finished. No error reported." |
| 06:14.52 | Xenguy | So, is there a recommended way to set things aright? |
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| 06:15.09 | man_in_ltop | waves |
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| 06:15.46 | man_in_ltop | anyone know if there's a way to get xfce's keyboard layout plugin to display a non-us flag for us keyboard? |
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| 06:16.19 | Xenguy | .oO(heh, love the nick) |
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| 06:17.49 | man_in_ltop | i'm an australian, and we have us keyboard layout, but there's no separate option for australian keyboards |
| 06:18.03 | man_in_ltop | and i'd rather have the australian flag displayed than the us one |
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| 06:19.21 | elkclone | auzzies. |
| 06:21.17 | man_in_ltop | yup |
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| 06:26.49 | man_in_ltop | elkclone, to be specific, aussies with canadian laptops |
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| 06:27.14 | man_in_ltop | i've now got it set up nicely so that i can switch between canadian and us layouts |
| 06:28.11 | elkclone | indeed. |
| 06:29.24 | man_in_ltop | i finally have quick access to a whole bunch of "optional" symbols on my keyboard :D |
| 06:30.54 | man_in_ltop | ± £ ¼ ½ ¾ ² ³ ç « » ... :) |
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| 06:45.53 | man_in_ltop | yay |
| 06:46.01 | man_in_ltop | i worked it out in a hacky sort of way |
| 06:46.50 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know how similar "wajig install <package>" is to "aptitude install <package>"? |
| 06:47.28 | man_in_ltop | i hacked ~/.config/xfce4/panel/xfce4-xkb-plugin-*rc to say "au" instead of "us" layout, then added au.svg to /usr/share/xfce4/xkb/flags |
| 06:47.35 | man_in_ltop | now all i need to do is put au in the menu somehow |
| 06:47.51 | man_in_ltop | kingsley, wtf is wajig? |
| 06:48.18 | jimmybgood | man_in_ltop: so then do you hold the keyboard upside-down to get it to work? |
| 06:48.44 | man_in_ltop | jimmybgood, if i do that, i risk losing everything |
| 06:48.48 | kingsley | Wajig is a single commandline wrapper around apt, apt-cache, dpkg, /etc/init.d scripts and more. |
| 06:49.34 | man_in_ltop | uh |
| 06:49.39 | Xenguy | kingsley: I think you answered your own question then... |
| 06:49.50 | man_in_ltop | why not just use aptitude and init scripts? :P |
| 06:49.55 | Xenguy | wajig is using apt-get, not aptitude, yes? |
| 06:50.42 | kingsley | I trying to follow instructions for installing a package that say to use wajig. |
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| 06:50.59 | kingsley | Normally, I would do as they say. |
| 06:51.01 | man_in_ltop | jimmybgood, http://www.prezzybox.com/data/media/12695.jpg |
| 06:51.01 | Xenguy | doesn't use aptitude yet either :P |
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| 06:51.26 | kingsley | But, the latest version of wajig in unstable is broken, at least for me. |
| 06:51.32 | man_in_ltop | so don't use wajig |
| 06:51.53 | kingsley | So I'm wondering if apt-get or aptitude install packages the same as wajig. |
| 06:52.14 | Xenguy | kingsley: dude, wajig uses apt-get |
| 06:52.15 | man_in_ltop | <kingsley> Wajig is a single commandline wrapper around apt ... |
| 06:52.19 | man_in_ltop | <Xenguy> kingsley: I think you answered your own question then... |
| 06:52.22 | man_in_ltop | ^^ |
| 06:52.52 | man_in_ltop | i don't know why people can't just use one app for one purpose |
| 06:53.12 | kingsley | Xenguy & man_in_ltop : I think your theory may be right, and I'm considering trying it. |
| 06:53.19 | jimmybgood | man_in_ltop: my brothers would hold me and the box upside down erasing both of us |
| 06:53.21 | man_in_ltop | theory? |
| 06:53.22 | Xenguy | man_in_ltop: Cause some people think for themselves instead of just following the hype ;-) |
| 06:53.34 | kingsley | Xenguy & man_in_ltop : Having said that, it seemed wise to me to ask first. |
| 06:53.40 | man_in_ltop | THEORY? |
| 06:53.53 | Xenguy | man_in_ltop: check out the lenny->squeeze factoid for example... |
| 06:54.16 | Xenguy | man_in_ltop: explicitly says to use apt-get -- hrm ;-) |
| 06:54.34 | man_in_ltop | apt-get and aptitude do behave differently |
| 06:54.41 | man_in_ltop | at least it doesn't say to use dselect |
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| 06:54.47 | Xenguy | hehe |
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| 06:54.59 | gratnam11 | whats a good book to learn iptables |
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| 06:55.22 | Xenguy | gratnam11: don't - use a firewall script instead ;-) |
| 06:56.27 | man_in_ltop | gratnam11, why do you want to learn iptables exactly? |
| 06:56.48 | Xenguy | excellent question |
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| 06:57.09 | man_in_ltop | i'm full of them |
| 06:57.29 | Xenguy | question authority and think for yerself ;-) |
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| 06:58.27 | man_in_ltop | also in my repertoire: "why is it always piccard vs kirk when sisko is clearly the superior character?" and "honey, where are you going? was it something my vulcan alter-ego said?" |
| 06:58.48 | cesurasean | Can someone help me out? When I go to \\fileserver, it doesn't seem to redirect to \\192.168.1.98 in samba. When i use the ip address, i can connect fine! Is this a dns issue, or what? |
| 07:00.22 | Xenguy | man_in_ltop: but he's not responding - oh well |
| 07:00.34 | Xenguy | shrugs... |
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| 07:01.48 | man_in_ltop | cesurasean, there is a #samba on freenode. maybe they can help you set up wins or something |
| 07:02.00 | man_in_ltop | bah, i can't find that video clip i want ... |
| 07:02.24 | man_in_ltop | but there is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHmTCJV7QfI |
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| 08:05.12 | kannan1222 | hey guys i just downloaded the live 507 amd64 cd |
| 08:05.17 | kannan1222 | whats the root password |
| 08:05.42 | kannan1222 | hello |
| 08:06.37 | kannan1222 | anyone |
| 08:06.55 | cahoot | you sure there is one? |
| 08:07.16 | kannan1222 | i do su - |
| 08:07.22 | kannan1222 | and its asking me for password |
| 08:07.44 | cahoot | tried sudo? |
| 08:08.32 | kannan1222 | yeah its working |
| 08:08.34 | kannan1222 | thanks |
| 08:08.48 | cahoot | I suppose you can sudo pw |
| 08:08.58 | kannan1222 | hey i am trying to install dhpcd and it says couldnt find package name |
| 08:09.08 | cahoot | typo? |
| 08:09.18 | cahoot | dhcpd |
| 08:09.28 | kannan1222 | yes dhcpd |
| 08:09.35 | kannan1222 | its saying can't find it |
| 08:10.07 | kannan1222 | is there a sources i have to add?\ |
| 08:10.22 | cahoot | on the cd or do you have some external mirror enabled? |
| 08:10.46 | kannan1222 | no clue how can i tell |
| 08:11.01 | cahoot | you want dhcpd - not a client? |
| 08:11.35 | kannan1222 | yes |
| 08:11.42 | cahoot | ...like dhclient |
| 08:11.46 | cahoot | ok |
| 08:11.52 | kannan1222 | i am trying to set up a dhcp server |
| 08:12.11 | kannan1222 | so i can do a network install |
| 08:12.22 | kannan1222 | for learning purpose ofcourse |
| 08:12.24 | cahoot | look at /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:12.54 | kannan1222 | i have two sources |
| 08:13.03 | kannan1222 | cdn.debian.net |
| 08:13.12 | kannan1222 | and security.debian.org |
| 08:13.30 | cahoot | !sources |
| 08:13.30 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.CC.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where CC is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> and "man sources.list". |
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| 08:55.19 | grharry | Trying to setup xorg with nvidia RIVA TNT2 ( on squeeze) however not able to determine which nvdia-glx-legacy-xx to install, anybody ??? |
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| 08:56.47 | cahoot | nv (or nouveau) isn't an option? |
| 08:57.24 | grharry | I prefer nvidia non-free |
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| 08:57.47 | cahoot | grharry: if you don't get any specific help hr the pciid (lspci -nn) usually is a good startingpoint for google |
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| 10:10.26 | BrixSat | they say there is always a first time, well mine as come my server is consuming a lot of memory (almost double as usual) and i dont know why |
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| 10:17.27 | foofoobar | Hi |
| 10:17.41 | BrixSat | hi |
| 10:17.44 | foofoobar | -bash: make: command not found |
| 10:17.50 | foofoobar | what do I have to install ? (lenny) |
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| 10:18.57 | BrixSat | install buid-essential |
| 10:19.08 | foofoobar | BrixSat, I installed "make", it works now :) |
| 10:19.09 | BrixSat | it will give you all the elementary things to compile |
| 10:19.25 | foofoobar | anyway, thanks ;) |
| 10:19.27 | cahoot | !b-e |
| 10:19.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
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| 10:28.18 | olspookishmagus | did someone else got this: |
| 10:28.18 | olspookishmagus | Cannot update ICEauthority file /var/lib/gdm3/.ICEauthority |
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| 10:28.48 | olspookishmagus | also gnome shortcuts no longer functioning such as: CTRL-ALT-D, ALT-F1, ALT-F2, etc... |
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| 10:32.43 | olspookishmagus | what's with this Debian-gdm user?! |
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| 10:42.59 | olspookishmagus | OK, I've fixed the trouble with gdm3 |
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| 10:46.36 | EduardeCalibal | Hi. I have a defunct proccess and don't is possible call the programa (same name of the process) again. |
| 10:46.52 | EduardeCalibal | The kill -9 <pid> don't work to this one. |
| 10:47.09 | EduardeCalibal | I have another option or I need restart the machine? |
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| 10:47.54 | cahoot | leave it be? |
| 10:48.12 | EduardeCalibal | I need run the program again... |
| 10:48.45 | EduardeCalibal | Every time I run the new process start halted. |
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| 11:24.24 | infinity0 | what's the debian policy on using setuptools / python eggs in python packages? |
| 11:24.33 | infinity0 | i notice that none of the python packages i have currently installed use python eggs, but the debian python policy doesn't expressly forbid the use of them |
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| 11:25.19 | themill | infinity0: http://wiki.debian.org/Python/FAQ#WhatarePythoneggs.3F |
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| 11:25.43 | infinity0 | ah ok, i see |
| 11:25.53 | infinity0 | in that case, the "deluge-common" package needs a bug filed against it |
| 11:26.26 | themill | infinity0: for more details, ask in #debian-python on oftc or the debian-python mailing list |
| 11:26.34 | infinity0 | oftc? |
| 11:26.43 | themill | irc.oftc.net |
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| 11:27.24 | infinity0 | ah ok thanks |
| 11:27.45 | infinity0 | themill: "debian-python@l.d.o " - what is l.d.o short for? |
| 11:27.50 | infinity0 | linux.debian.os? |
| 11:27.59 | themill | lists.debian.org |
| 11:28.03 | infinity0 | oh right |
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| 11:30.14 | themill | infinity0: «apt-file -x -l search '\.egg$'» shows up a few packages with .egg files in them. |
| 11:30.30 | stew | is that really against policy? |
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| 11:31.00 | themill | stew: not against policy, just against sane packaging practices aiui |
| 11:31.09 | infinity0 | well, it makes sense to me - .eggs are python packages, but .deb is a packaging format itself |
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| 11:31.34 | themill | python packaging policy isn't necessarily all written down in a policy document |
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| 11:32.59 | infinity0 | themill: running that gives deluge-common editra kinput2-common python-envisagecore python-logilab-astng python-virtualenv |
| 11:33.54 | themill | yep. Each of them contains numerous .egg files, but only a small number of packages. |
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| 11:36.39 | infinity0 | should bugs be filed against them? |
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| 11:39.31 | themill | infinity0: ask the python packaging people. It may be that the few that are there are acceptable in some way. |
| 11:39.47 | infinity0 | ah ok, thanks |
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| 11:44.00 | Arrowmaster | i just pinged the deluge package maintainer about it |
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| 12:03.58 | mac- | hi |
| 12:04.00 | mac- | anyone bought laptop battery from Honk Kong seller on ebay? |
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| 12:04.44 | ruben23 | hi guys i have time on my ubuntu-server but its on military time, how do i change its format..? |
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| 12:04.53 | ruben23 | nstead of 19:00- i get 7:00pm |
| 12:05.09 | themill | ruben23: you want #ubuntu |
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| 13:08.21 | tdn | I have a dhcp server running squeeze. Clients are renewing IP leases every 30 minutes. How do I increase this interval? |
| 13:08.40 | abrotman | tdn: looked in the dhcp server config file ? |
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| 13:11.37 | tdn | abrotman, well, yes. I have "default-lease-time 3600;" and "max-lease-time 7200;" ind dhcpd.conf. However, I notice that the clients are renewing every 30 minutes or so. |
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| 13:11.51 | tdn | Often much more frequent even. |
| 13:12.34 | abrotman | tdn: 3600 is seconds? |
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| 13:12.59 | thewanderer1 | tdn: well, they should be renewing more often than the addresses expire, right? otherwise they might end up without an address at some point |
| 13:13.14 | tdn | abrotman, seconds, I assume. |
| 13:13.28 | tdn | thewanderer1, oh. Of course. Yes. So maybe I should just increase it even more? |
| 13:13.41 | cahoot | does the client ask for a specific lease time? |
| 13:13.48 | tdn | cahoot, no. |
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| 13:13.53 | thewanderer1 | tdn: values like 1 day are acceptable for normal use |
| 13:14.03 | tdn | thewanderer1, ok. |
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| 13:14.34 | abrotman | tdn: unless oyu're running a wifi hotspot .. you want a day or more |
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| 13:18.10 | tdn | abrotman, I have wifi also, but it is a home network. |
| 13:18.17 | tdn | abrotman, just a few laptops. |
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| 13:19.06 | tdn | I am not exactly sure what the difference is between max lease time and default lease time? |
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| 13:20.52 | thewanderer1 | I'm just guessing, but it might be that clients are allowed to override the lease time to a certain extent, defined by max-lease-time |
| 13:21.31 | abrotman | tdn: i meant a commercial hotspot :) |
| 13:21.45 | tdn | thewanderer1, ok. |
| 13:22.15 | tdn | Is there any reason to have max lease time and default lease time differ? I mean, couldn't I just set them both to 86400? (24 hours) |
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| 13:23.14 | thewanderer1 | I have them set to the same value (using dnsmasq which does that by default) |
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| 13:23.57 | tdn | It seems that default values are 600 for default lease time and 7200 for max lease time? This seems rather low to me. |
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| 13:27.44 | thewanderer1 | it was set to these values so that network admins wouldn't pull their hairs when hosts stop getting addresses under high rotation conditions |
| 13:28.23 | abrotman | maybe they are minutes? check the man page |
| 13:28.47 | tdn | abrotman, I did. 600 is 10 minutes according to man page. |
| 13:28.57 | abrotman | ok |
| 13:29.05 | abrotman | so it really is seconds? okay |
| 13:29.22 | tdn | thewanderer1, that makes sense, however, I still think it is low for a default value... |
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| 13:32.02 | tdn | How can I change the IO scheduler to deadline? |
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| 13:33.06 | abrotman | how do you normally do it? |
| 13:33.47 | tdn | abrotman, I haven't tried changing scheduler. |
| 13:33.57 | tdn | Neither process nor IO. |
| 13:33.58 | cahoot | you can echo the string to /sys/block/<drive>/scheduler |
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| 13:35.54 | tdn | I have a system with an ATA system disk and an external USB 2.0 disk encrypted with LUKS. When I have a lot of random seeks on the external disk, load grows and the system becomes very slow. So I was thinking that maybe deadline scheduling would help. |
| 13:36.11 | tdn | Maybe you have an opinion on this? |
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| 13:37.58 | tdn | Also, because I run LUKS/dm-crypt on /dev/sdb I have a little doubt if it is the sdb device or dm-0 I should change the scheduler for? |
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| 13:39.29 | tdn | Just changed to deadline on sdb. Load has decreased immediately. Will see if the system becomes more responsive. |
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| 13:45.27 | thewanderer1 | tries that as well |
| 13:45.30 | rxt0 | Hi there, can I dd a /dev/md0 to a normal partition of the same size? (/dev/sda1) |
| 13:45.45 | thewanderer1 | rxt0: sure |
| 13:46.12 | g105b | I'm working through this tutorial setting up a mail server on debian: http://workaround.org/ispmail/lenny/test-mail-through-telnet |
| 13:46.14 | rxt0 | thewanderer1, thanks |
| 13:46.28 | g105b | the trouble is, my /var/vmail directory is always empty ... no emails are getting stored .... |
| 13:46.32 | g105b | can someone help me out please? |
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| 13:46.52 | petemc | g105b: if your mta delivering the mail somewhere else? |
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| 13:46.57 | petemc | s/if/is/ |
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| 13:47.47 | g105b | petemc: I've followed that tutorial to set up postfix to deliver to dovecot three times now, got stuck on the end of that page each time :S |
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| 13:48.50 | g105b | petemc: where would postfix be delivering to if I hadn't set it up correctly? |
| 13:49.52 | petemc | i dont know postfix |
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| 13:50.56 | petemc | try postconf -d mail_spool_directory |
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| 13:52.00 | abrotman | g105b: put your whole "postconf -d" in a pastebin |
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| 13:52.46 | abrotman | there is also a #postfix |
| 13:53.54 | thewanderer1 | g105b: which tutorial are you following? there is a really nice one out there which I use for setting up production servers |
| 13:54.10 | abrotman | he already said |
| 13:54.11 | g105b | thewanderer1: I'm reading through http://workaround.org/ispmail/lenny/test-mail-through-telnet |
| 13:54.30 | g105b | thewanderer1: I'm on that page in the link |
| 13:55.19 | thewanderer1 | yeah, I used that one too... |
| 13:56.05 | thewanderer1 | what's your 'deliver' line from master.cf ? |
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| 13:56.16 | g105b | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/cXJ65LHX |
| 13:56.30 | g105b | thewanderer1: ^^ |
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| 13:57.50 | thewanderer1 | yes, it doesn't include the deliver line though |
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| 13:59.01 | g105b | oh hold on |
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| 14:00.11 | g105b | thewanderer1: dovecot unix - n n - - pipe flags=DRhu user=vmail:vmail argv=/usr/lib/dovecot/deliver -d ${recipient} |
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| 14:00.56 | g105b | does it matter what order the lines are in master.cf? |
| 14:01.17 | thewanderer1 | hm, I don't think so |
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| 14:02.01 | thewanderer1 | dovecot probably doesn't know how to store the mails |
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| 14:02.57 | Jacruth | hi guys |
| 14:03.11 | Jacruth | my clock is outdated. how could I set it up? |
| 14:03.14 | g105b | thewanderer1: well, the tutorial tells how to get postfix and dovecot working together, but not for me :\ |
| 14:03.45 | thewanderer1 | Jacruth: outdated as in... is late, or has a bad timezone? |
| 14:03.59 | Jacruth | late, about 3 years late |
| 14:04.16 | thewanderer1 | !tell Jacruth about ntp |
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| 14:04.31 | hemu | apt-get -y install ntpdate ; ntpdate time1.mikes.fi |
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| 14:04.53 | Jacruth | I tried that, but there is something wrong with my ntp.conf file |
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| 14:05.17 | thewanderer1 | g105b: so have you looked at dovecot error log? |
| 14:05.26 | Jacruth | oh, oh, wait! |
| 14:05.30 | themill | hemu, Jacruth: use ntp rather than ntpdate. |
| 14:05.39 | Jacruth | dom 16 ene 2011 09:05:18 EST -0.625636 segundos |
| 14:05.40 | hemu | themill: you can't use ntp with 3 years late clocks |
| 14:05.47 | hemu | or you can, but it takes years to sync |
| 14:05.51 | themill | hemu: you can, but not with the default config |
| 14:06.12 | themill | ntpdate is likely to go away very soon and is deprecated by its own authors... |
| 14:06.17 | Jacruth | it is right now 09:05? |
| 14:06.19 | catsup | what |
| 14:06.23 | catsup | what replaces it? |
| 14:06.31 | hemu | 'ntpd' / 'ntp' |
| 14:06.35 | catsup | omg |
| 14:06.44 | themill | !ntpdate |
| 14:06.44 | dpkg | ntpdate is an obsolete and unmaintained program to set a system clock via <NTP>. Just install the ntp package instead. Since Lenny, ntp's default configuration files (NTPD_OPTS='-g' in /etc/default/ntp, 'iburst' option for default servers in /etc/ntp.conf) make ntpdate unnecessary. See also <why not ntpdate>. |
| 14:06.47 | catsup | how do you get 'ntpdate' functionality from ntp? |
| 14:07.00 | thewanderer1 | no, ntp can handle time jumps. it's just that programs don't like it... |
| 14:07.01 | catsup | omg |
| 14:07.19 | catsup | so to emulate ntpdate, you have to edit a configuration file, restart ntp, edit the configuration file again, and restart again |
| 14:07.26 | themill | catsup: "invoke-rc.d ntp restart" is enough |
| 14:07.37 | catsup | themill: no... |
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| 14:08.25 | Jacruth | thewanderer1, If I have sunday 16 of january |
| 14:08.33 | catsup | themill: if you don't edit the configuration file manually, then you end up with ntp jumping the time autonomously, as opposed to only doing it when explicitly specified by the administrator |
| 14:08.34 | Jacruth | at 9:08 |
| 14:08.54 | Jacruth | then I must change my timezone? |
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| 14:09.12 | themill | catsup: you have ntp keeping the clock in sync, if that's what you mean |
| 14:09.26 | catsup | themill: what? ntpdate is for when you don't want to wait for ntp to sync |
| 14:09.39 | g105b | thewanderer1: can't find the error log ... do you know where it's stored? |
| 14:09.44 | catsup | so you stop ntp, then run ntpdate, then start ntp |
| 14:10.01 | catsup | now you need to edit ntp.conf, restart, edit again, restart |
| 14:10.04 | thewanderer1 | g105b: hmm... /var/log/dovecot* or /var/log/mail* |
| 14:10.07 | catsup | much less convenient |
| 14:10.08 | themill | catsup: just restarting ntp is sufficient. no editing required. |
| 14:10.22 | catsup | omfg, so it's going to jump every time you start it?? |
| 14:10.37 | catsup | how do you restart ntp WITHOUT jumping the time? |
| 14:11.06 | abrotman | how many times do you restart ntp ? |
| 14:11.11 | g105b | thewanderer1: aha, log_path = /var/vmail/dovecot-deliver.log ... the /var/vmail/ directory is empty (its also where the mailboxes should be stored...), so I'm thinking there is a permissions problem? |
| 14:11.19 | catsup | abrotman: approximately never |
| 14:11.20 | themill | catsup: perhaps you should read up on what ntp will do in various cases for how long large the time difference is |
| 14:11.44 | abrotman | okay .. so the problem is? |
| 14:11.44 | thewanderer1 | g105b: most probably |
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| 14:11.57 | catsup | abrotman: as i said... |
| 14:12.09 | thewanderer1 | why would it jump every time you start it? |
| 14:12.18 | thewanderer1 | it sets the local time once and then you can relax :P |
| 14:12.49 | Jacruth | uh, guys, where is TIMEZONE? I heard that there is one in /etc/TIMEZONE |
| 14:12.53 | Jacruth | but I can't find it |
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| 14:13.09 | abrotman | !tell Jacruth about set the time |
| 14:13.16 | catsup | thewanderer1: i don't want autonomous system processes setting the time backwards |
| 14:13.20 | g105b | thewanderer1: I just changed to user vmail, and created a text file in the vmail dir ... it worked |
| 14:13.29 | catsup | on the other hand, *i* want to be able to set the time backward |
| 14:13.31 | abrotman | catsup: it won't |
| 14:13.44 | catsup | abrotman: good. how do *i* do it without ntpdate? |
| 14:13.49 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 14:14.07 | abrotman | "it" being? |
| 14:14.09 | catsup | is that not a simple question? |
| 14:14.14 | catsup | set the time backward (to the correct time) |
| 14:14.18 | catsup | like what ntpdate would od |
| 14:14.20 | catsup | do* |
| 14:14.22 | abrotman | you can use ntp for that |
| 14:14.23 | thewanderer1 | g105b: try setting the dir to 777 for testing purposes and seeing the log then |
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| 14:14.29 | catsup | lol, but how? |
| 14:14.32 | Jacruth | abrotman, im using ntp |
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| 14:14.47 | abrotman | catsup: read the damn docs .. you're smart enough .. it's generally called "slew" |
| 14:14.54 | abrotman | slewing the time |
| 14:14.56 | catsup | does it involve editing the configuration file, restarting, and then editing it again, and restarting again? |
| 14:15.02 | abrotman | Jacruth: okay .. what does that hvae to do with it? |
| 14:15.08 | abrotman | Jacruth: you want ot change the timezone |
| 14:15.09 | themill | Jacruth: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
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| 14:15.13 | catsup | abrotman: did you not read what i said before you came into this conversation? |
| 14:15.19 | abrotman | okay .. have fun! |
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| 14:16.04 | catsup | 09:09 <catsup> so you stop ntp, then run ntpdate, then start ntp 09:10 <catsup> now you need to edit ntp.conf, restart, edit again, restart 09:10 <catsup> much less convenient |
| 14:16.15 | abrotman | you don't need ntpdate at all |
| 14:16.59 | catsup | if i were to implement ntpdate in a shell script that used ntp, it would have to be editing ntp.conf with sed or some crap hack |
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| 14:20.32 | Jacruth | should I add "export TZ='Europe/Madrid'" into my .bashrc file? |
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| 14:20.55 | thewanderer1 | Jacruth: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 14:21.01 | Jacruth | I did it |
| 14:21.04 | Jacruth | and it said: |
| 14:21.11 | Jacruth | You can make this change permanent for yourself by appending the line |
| 14:21.12 | Jacruth | TZ='Europe/Madrid'; export TZ |
| 14:21.12 | Jacruth | to the file '.profile' in your home directory; then log out and log in again. |
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| 14:21.31 | tdn | What can cause PAM to give an 'account expired' error? |
| 14:21.43 | thewanderer1 | tdn: well... expired password? :P |
| 14:21.47 | tdn | I have checked and the user is NOT expired. |
| 14:21.50 | thewanderer1 | Jacruth: have you tried rebooting? |
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| 14:21.55 | tdn | thewanderer1, negatory :) |
| 14:22.19 | tdn | thewanderer1, it has begun after upgrading from lenny -> squeeze. |
| 14:22.23 | Jacruth | (thewanderer, will it be permanent? If yes, then I will reboot :3) |
| 14:22.39 | thewanderer1 | Jacruth: it should be, I believe, even without reboot |
| 14:22.56 | thewanderer1 | `cat /etc/timezone` |
| 14:23.22 | Jacruth | rebooting |
| 14:23.31 | thewanderer1 | tdn: search the Web for: $pam_module_name account expired |
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| 14:25.19 | Dweezahr | Hello, I have debian stable in vmware, but I cannot find the /dev device for the usb stick |
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| 14:25.56 | Dweezahr | normally these are the sdb1 and sdb2 partitions |
| 14:26.03 | abrotman | Dweezahr: IIRC you have to enable USB .. perhaps ask #vmware |
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| 14:26.49 | Dweezahr | usb is enabled |
| 14:27.21 | thewanderer1 | I have an IPv6 tunnel that goes on he-ipv6 through eth1. eth1 has IPv4 address, he-ipv6 has one IPv6 address. now, I'd like to assign another IPv6 address to my system and route traffic by default through that |
| 14:27.26 | tdn | thewanderer1, ok. |
| 14:27.42 | pipeline | Dweezahr: VM -> removable devices -> Usb blah blah -> connect |
| 14:27.43 | thewanderer1 | ... so that the traffic appears to be from another network that |
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| 14:30.02 | thewanderer1 | for example I'd like to have the address on eth1 and make connections originate from there and being routed through the tunnel... how? |
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| 14:31.05 | Jacruth | it worked guys, now I live in the present |
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| 14:32.45 | Dweezahr | pipeline, abrotman, just disconnecting and reconnecting worked, thanks |
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| 14:41.17 | wissem | how can i install open shot ? |
| 14:41.59 | themill | wissem: what debian release are you using? |
| 14:42.23 | wissem | im on lenny |
| 14:42.59 | wissem | i downloaded the deb pakage and couldnt install beacause of lack of certain depandencies |
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| 14:43.32 | themill | wissem: it's not available for lenny but it is for squeeze (the next release that is just about ready for release). You could consider upgrading to squeeze at this stage fairly safely (/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze) although it's not yet released because it's obviously not quite the finished product yet. |
| 14:44.58 | wissem | okay i ll update to squeeze then |
| 14:45.14 | wissem | themill, what is the safest way to upgrade ? |
| 14:45.37 | wissem | change my source.list into squeeze and do full-upgrade ? |
| 14:46.13 | themill | wissem: not quite. /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 14:47.45 | themill | dpkg: tell wissem about lenny->squeeze |
| 14:47.56 | thewanderer1 | how to specify multiple addresses per interface in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 14:48.00 | themill | wissem: please keep it in he channel so that others can help when I wander off. |
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| 14:54.32 | thewanderer1 | wissem: upgrade lenny->squeeze with apt-get, not aptitude please |
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| 14:59.49 | thewanderer1 | hey, will Debian automatically launch ipv6 on an interface which is defined as "eth0 inet dhcp" in interfaces? |
| 15:00.54 | thewanderer1 | or else, how do I configure an interface to have both IPv4 and IPv6 addresses? |
| 15:01.08 | rozie | thewanderer1: I doubt that |
| 15:01.28 | wolfric | what packages are not installed if you don't connect to the internet during install? |
| 15:01.36 | wolfric | What about during a netinst |
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| 15:02.14 | thewanderer1 | wolfric: only those which are flagged as "essential" |
| 15:02.14 | eptalon | heyas |
| 15:02.16 | themill | wolfric: the netinst contains everything required to install the base system |
| 15:02.18 | rozie | thewanderer1: take a look on man interfaces, search for inet6 |
| 15:02.33 | thewanderer1 | rozie: yes, but I can define EITHER an inet interface OR inet6 |
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| 15:03.59 | rozie | I'm almost certain I have both IPv4 and IPv6 on the same iface (both static) |
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| 15:04.08 | rozie | is that what you're looking for? |
| 15:04.28 | thewanderer1 | yes... or dhcp, or by RA, or whatever |
| 15:04.34 | wolfric | thewanderer1: themill : anyway i could get a list somewhere? Is there any difference if you do a full install and don't connect to the internet |
| 15:04.50 | wolfric | it could be just me but doing a full install with and then without the internet seemed to differ in time |
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| 15:05.16 | eptalon | I tried to re-build a kernel image (as described in the "How to rebuild custom debian kernels", at the debianwiki); but when I try to install it (with 'dpkg -i'), I get #failed to write on buffer copy for backend (path to module)'xprtrdma.ko'; using sid. Any ideas? |
| 15:05.19 | thewanderer1 | wolfric: aptitude search "~prequired" |
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| 15:05.35 | themill | wolfric: if there are updated packages on security.debian.org then they will be fetched during the installation process |
| 15:06.02 | thewanderer1 | rozie: but I can't find how to assign multiple addresses to the same iface |
| 15:06.36 | eptalon | error is 'no space left on device' (but all partitions have at least a few megs, if not gigs free... |
| 15:06.53 | wolfric | thewanderer1: is there anyway to install all the additional packages that weren't installed? |
| 15:07.12 | thewanderer1 | wolfric: sure... either manually or by using `tasksel` |
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| 15:08.16 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: inode shortage? |
| 15:08.28 | eptalon | thewanderer1: how would I see that? |
| 15:08.39 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: df -i |
| 15:08.58 | wolfric | thewanderer1: that ~prerequired list would just give me everything that needs to be installed right? isn't there a list (either on the cd or online) for all the tools that are supposed to be installed with just a standard system? |
| 15:09.16 | thewanderer1 | wolfric: this is the list with "standard system" without net connection |
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| 15:09.28 | thewanderer1 | (assuming netinst) |
| 15:09.47 | rozie | thewanderer1: iface eth0 inet static (definitions) iface eth0 inet6 static definitons |
| 15:10.05 | thewanderer1 | rozie: multiple stanzas? hmm lemme try it |
| 15:10.07 | eptalon | thewanderer1: usually at 1% used; 6% for /, and 11% for /usr |
| 15:10.23 | wolfric | thewanderer1: ah nvm i think perhaps if i just do an diff between prequired and pstandard i could get what i'm looking for just looked up the page for tasksel |
| 15:10.32 | themill | wolfric: it's highly unlikely that you would not have everything in essential, important and required already installed. You probably don't have "priority: standard" installed though. Either use tasksel or "aptitude install ~pstandard" |
| 15:10.44 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: then it might be that you're looking at free space in the wrong moment - the compile process might remove its crap |
| 15:10.49 | wolfric | themill: i didn't have less installed.. |
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| 15:11.04 | wolfric | themill: i want to make sure nothing like that is left out |
| 15:11.08 | themill | ,info less |
| 15:11.10 | judd | Package less (text, standard) in lenny/i386: Pager program similar to more. Version: 418-1; Size: 111.8k; Installed: 224k; Homepage: http://www.greenwoodsoftware.com/less/ |
| 15:11.12 | eptalon | thewanderer1: I am talking at errrors during install, not during build. |
| 15:11.16 | themill | wolfric: ^^ as I said, priority standard. |
| 15:11.28 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: then I have no idea |
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| 15:12.00 | wolfric | themill: well it wasn't installed when i did a netinst |
| 15:12.32 | themill | wolfric: it would not be if you didn't select "standard system" at the tasksel stage. |
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| 15:13.46 | eptalon | thewanderer1: how much mem does installing a kernel package take? - not more than like 80-90M? (not supposing it is the source package)? |
| 15:13.47 | wolfric | themill: i did select standard system |
| 15:14.27 | wolfric | themill: you have to select standard system anyway. it's not optional. at a guess the "standard system" in the netinst is actually prequired not pstandard |
| 15:14.45 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: you might need some swap with this amount of memory - depmod is ran |
| 15:14.53 | thewanderer1 | /s/ran/run/ |
| 15:14.58 | wolfric | when i say netinst i'm talking netinst without the internet repositories ( just to clarify) |
| 15:15.20 | eptalon | thewanderer1: 8G mem, 16G swap? |
| 15:15.31 | themill | wolfric: standard system is optional but highly highly recommended. It is the equivalent of ~pstandard not required/important. /msg dpkg standard task |
| 15:15.39 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: hmm you asked about 80-90M :P |
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| 15:16.31 | eptalon | thewanderer1: thats what I have free on /... |
| 15:16.50 | thewanderer1 | hm you asked about mem |
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| 15:17.07 | thewanderer1 | it can take more if you have many modules |
| 15:17.27 | thewanderer1 | it's not uncommon to exceed 100MB |
| 15:18.01 | eptalon | thewanderer1: would you say 150M should suffice? |
| 15:18.18 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: should be better than 90 at least :P |
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| 15:19.35 | eptalon | alternative, whence would I get a linux-headers/linux-img combo of at least 2.6.36? - experimental kinda lacks the headers for the 3.6.36, and the 2.6.37 is not installable... |
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| 15:20.24 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: want my 2.6.36.2-grsecurity image built for KVM guests? :P |
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| 15:22.02 | eptalon | thewanderer1: I have an AMD64, and I need the support for like 8G ram... |
| 15:22.18 | eptalon | thewanderer1: but am not picky otherwise |
| 15:22.35 | thewanderer1 | I see. this image is for amd64, but I didn't include any drivers for physical devices |
| 15:22.57 | eptalon | oh, its grsecurity... |
| 15:23.01 | thewanderer1 | yup |
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| 15:23.23 | thewanderer1 | well, were you compiling from a vanilla kernel? |
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| 15:24.17 | eptalon | I recompiled the "packaged" debian kernel; looks though that adding 100M to the / seems to have sloved the prob. |
| 15:24.30 | thewanderer1 | ok |
| 15:24.41 | thewanderer1 | I like to compile vanilla kernels, less cruft :P |
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| 15:25.04 | eptalon | I basically want a "running system"... |
| 15:26.02 | eptalon | rebooting, seems to have worked |
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| 15:38.02 | wolfric | hey i just noticed something interesting... if you do a space before the command in bash it doesn't save it to history |
| 15:38.09 | wolfric | is that a bug or intended? |
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| 15:39.36 | thewanderer1 | smells buggy |
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| 15:39.56 | thewanderer1 | actually a nice way for attackers to hide their traces :P |
| 15:40.10 | Dweezahr | HISTCONTROL=ignorespace |
| 15:40.28 | Dweezahr | that is likely configured somewhere in the distribution |
| 15:40.53 | wolfric | i'm definitely turning that off |
| 15:40.58 | wolfric | Dweezahr: cheers |
| 15:41.25 | Dweezahr | hmm that was a simple lmgtfy |
| 15:41.33 | Dweezahr | nevermind |
| 15:41.51 | Dweezahr | I have an other problem, my debian live does not include all packages specified in lb config |
| 15:43.02 | Dweezahr | lb config --binary-image usb-hdd --distribution lenny --packages kdebase ant ant-optional openjdk-6-jdk xterm libgtk2.0-common libfuse-dev libfuse2 dmsetup |
| 15:43.09 | Dweezahr | ant is not installed |
| 15:43.18 | Dweezahr | and everything on the right of kdebase is not installed |
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| 15:46.18 | themill | Dweezahr: the docs show --packages "package1 package2" when you want multiple packages |
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| 15:46.37 | eptalon | heyas again; |
| 15:47.09 | eptalon | installation worked, with 185m free on / (instead of 85m) |
| 15:47.11 | Dweezahr | aha, will do that, thanks themill |
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| 15:57.14 | thewanderer1 | hey, how to directly pull a DNS record from an authoritative DNS server? |
| 15:57.35 | thewanderer1 | I want to check if the DNS server handles the domain right, bit without going through recursive DNS servers |
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| 15:59.25 | kannan1222 | whats the diference between aptitude and apt-get |
| 15:59.48 | eptalon | kannan1222: aptitude is higher level, and works better for most users. |
| 16:00.00 | themill | (except for lenny->squeeze) |
| 16:01.14 | kannan1222 | okey thanks |
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| 16:06.00 | kannan1222 | i did aptitude install dhcpd |
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| 16:06.08 | kannan1222 | i can't find the /etc/dh |
| 16:06.24 | kannan1222 | /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf file |
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| 16:07.36 | kannan1222 | what can i do guys? |
| 16:08.25 | themill | kannan1222: which debian release is this? |
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| 16:09.56 | kannan1222 | i was suppose to do aptitude install dhcp3-server |
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| 16:10.30 | themill | indeed. it's hard to install packages that don't exist. |
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| 16:11.34 | complete | Good Evening! I need to open a photoshop file with grouped layers. it looks like thats not supported in gimp. so the file looks like a mess. any ideas how to open it? i only need to look at it. not edit it. in gimp all layers are on. i need a viewer that hides the hidden layers. |
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| 16:11.58 | roe | how do I figure out why 'visudo' doesn't open up the sudoers file? The console just freezes |
| 16:12.03 | roe | no error |
| 16:13.13 | eptalon | whernce would I get linux kbuild-2.6.37/headers files that don't depend on kbuild? |
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| 16:19.11 | abrotman | complete: did oyu ask #gimp if there is a plugin ? |
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| 16:20.51 | complete | abrotman: yes, i asked 20 minutes ago. no answer yet. |
| 16:21.25 | abrotman | complete: on irc.gimpnet.org or whatever it is? |
| 16:22.30 | complete | abrotman: oh! i never heard about that. |
| 16:22.34 | complete | i asked on freenode |
| 16:22.36 | complete | #gimp |
| 16:22.53 | abrotman | irc.gimp.org .. sorry |
| 16:23.02 | kannan1222 | hey guys i am trying to fallow a tutorial to enable tftp and i can't find the /etc/inetd.conf file any suggestionS? |
| 16:23.16 | kannan1222 | do i need to install something to have that config file? |
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| 16:23.59 | complete | abrotman: irssi sayx it cannot connect to that server |
| 16:24.17 | complete | abrotman: now it works! |
| 16:25.14 | kannan1222 | ??? |
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| 16:26.31 | cahoot | kannan1222: xinetd installed? |
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| 16:29.51 | jhutchins | kannan1222: try /etc/xinetd |
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| 16:35.03 | complete | kannan1222: what do you want to use tftp for? |
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| 16:39.32 | stuckey | is there anyway to make sound come out of the system speaker? |
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| 16:39.45 | stuckey | i'm sorry, I mean not just system beep but sound-sound. |
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| 16:44.23 | nirazio | I couldn't add more than 4 layouts for my keyboard. Googling revealed that it was a universal limit (at least for GNU/Linux) and the only way(s) to get around it was to use some hackish way with scripts. Is there really a technical reason behind this? If yes, what is it? |
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| 16:44.59 | kannan1222 | can someone tell me what this is asking me to do |
| 16:45.06 | kannan1222 | Make sure your dhcp server is configured to pass /debian-installer/ia64/elilo.efi to tftpd as the filename to boot. |
| 16:46.09 | cahoot | kannan1222: what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 16:46.22 | kannan1222 | i am trying to do a network install |
| 16:46.33 | cahoot | on an itanium system? |
| 16:46.59 | kannan1222 | i have a intell pentium |
| 16:47.13 | kannan1222 | i thought it was 64 bit |
| 16:47.15 | cahoot | !ia64 |
| 16:47.15 | dpkg | [ia64] Intel Architecture-64 (IA-64) is a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as <Itanium> and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>. |
| 16:48.15 | kannan1222 | oh wow |
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| 16:49.26 | kannan1222 | i have a intel processor |
| 16:49.32 | kannan1222 | i7 |
| 16:49.47 | kannan1222 | is that the wrong one? |
| 16:50.01 | cahoot | then use amd64 if you want 64bit |
| 16:50.18 | kannan1222 | oh lol |
| 16:50.20 | kannan1222 | thanks guys |
| 16:50.55 | cahoot | well it wasn't any answer to your oroginal question thogh |
| 16:51.42 | kannan1222 | how do i find out my domain name |
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| 16:54.55 | Ox1 | you probably don't have one if you're asking that =/ |
| 16:55.36 | kannan1222 | hehe |
| 16:55.38 | kannan1222 | oh yeah |
| 16:55.45 | stuckey | is it possible to have alsa audio come out of a system speaker? I don't have external speakers. |
| 16:55.53 | kannan1222 | how do i do a network instal via http? |
| 16:56.04 | daemonkeeper | Just boot the netinst image. |
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| 16:57.22 | kannan1222 | am i suppose to do it using bootp server |
| 16:57.37 | kannan1222 | some one please help me out this is my first time attempting anything like this |
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| 16:58.17 | daemonkeeper | So you don't need the netinst image, but PXE. |
| 16:58.24 | cahoot | stuckey: maybe the snd-pcsp module makes that possible (pure guesswork) |
| 16:58.45 | daemonkeeper | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/BootpTFTP |
| 16:58.54 | stuckey | cahoot: then I could switch to 'pc speaker' in alsamixer and turn the volume up? |
| 16:59.05 | cahoot | feel free to test |
| 16:59.19 | stuckey | cahoot: what do I do to use snd-pcsp? |
| 16:59.37 | cahoot | imagination + google ;) |
| 17:00.09 | jhutchins | kannan1222: Building a PXE install server isn't a trivial task. |
| 17:00.36 | jhutchins | kannan1222: You will probably want to read other guides to PXE servers as well. |
| 17:00.56 | kannan1222 | okey |
| 17:01.12 | jhutchins | kannan1222: One way to learn about it is to install ltsp and examine how it goes about PXE. |
| 17:01.18 | jhutchins | !ltsp |
| 17:01.18 | dpkg | it has been said that ltsp is the Linux Terminal Server Project. http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP http://www.ltsp.org/ #ltsp on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:01.42 | kannan1222 | do i have to turn off dhcp on my router? |
| 17:01.59 | kannan1222 | thanks |
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| 17:02.14 | jhutchins | kannan1222: Not if you can change the items it sends clients. |
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| 17:03.40 | franzn | kannan1222: you can add ltsp, pxe and others things on the dhcp server |
| 17:03.49 | kannan1222 | oh okey thanks |
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| 17:13.07 | jhutchins | kannan1222: Actually, thanks to you asking that question, I've found and fixed a problem on my network that's probably as old as my switch to Debian. |
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| 17:14.05 | jhutchins | kannan1222: The pxe server doesn't have to be the dhcp server - the dhcp server just has to know what server it is, and what file to pass to the client at boot. |
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| 17:16.02 | jhutchins | kannan1222: It's probably a lot easier to do a USB install than set up PXE unless you're going to be doing a LOT of systems. |
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| 17:35.37 | thewanderer1 | if I'm running desktop machines with SSH (all users have strong passwords), standard Squeeze desktop installs, should I worry about firewalling them? |
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| 17:39.44 | xand | thewanderer1: from where? the internet? |
| 17:40.03 | thewanderer1 | yes |
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| 17:40.15 | thewanderer1 | traffic between each other should not be a concern, should it? |
| 17:40.32 | thewanderer1 | s/each other/one another/ if it makes a difference |
| 17:40.51 | thewanderer1 | and yes, I'm not behind a NAT |
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| 17:45.53 | makobug | Does anyone know where to get a 5.0.3 release of Debian? I can't seem to find old releases (aside from 4.0, 3.0, 2.0, etc) |
| 17:46.25 | abrotman | why would you want it? there are newer versions |
| 17:46.44 | thewanderer1 | makobug: if you want to exploit some bugs, get Damn Vulnerable Linux :) |
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| 17:47.57 | makobug | As much as I love DVL, I need Debian 5.0.3 for a specific sofware compatibility project :p Thanks though |
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| 17:48.25 | thewanderer1 | well, stable doesn't introduce semantic changes, only security fixes |
| 17:48.30 | thewanderer1 | so all APIs are the same |
| 17:48.36 | thewanderer1 | ABIs too |
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| 17:49.01 | makobug | hmmmm, good point |
| 17:49.22 | makobug | Does anyone know where to get it just for the sake of getting it? |
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| 17:52.44 | thewanderer1 | makobug: http://snapshot.debian.org/ |
| 17:52.52 | thewanderer1 | this, plus an outdated netinst CD |
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| 17:53.31 | thewanderer1 | actually you can use a current netinst CD and downgrade packages to their vulnerable versions, since there are no config/binary changes |
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| 17:57.04 | xand | thewanderer1: I would have a firewall from the internet yes |
| 17:57.21 | xand | would/do (without NAT) |
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| 17:57.40 | makobug | thewanderer1: you rock, thanks so much |
| 17:57.47 | _abc_ | Is there a howto for installing debian when only the 1st dvd is on dvd media and the rest is on hdd? |
| 17:57.55 | _abc_ | I don't know how to find such |
| 17:58.02 | _abc_ | I mean instructions |
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| 17:58.23 | _abc_ | Where would one edit the settings to add extra media during install |
| 17:58.24 | thewanderer1 | xand: for any particular reasons, or perhaps only for the peace of mind? :P |
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| 17:59.16 | thewanderer1 | _abc_: well, do other disks contain software that the installer would install when you select a task? |
| 17:59.37 | xand | thewanderer1: mainly because I don't want all services exposed to the internet |
| 17:59.40 | xand | and users can make their own |
| 18:00.13 | thewanderer1 | xand: do you handle inbound connections, like p2p games, somehow? |
| 18:00.33 | xand | I don't play such games |
| 18:01.04 | xand | don't really use any p2p software that requires inbound ports to be opened |
| 18:01.11 | thewanderer1 | ok |
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| 18:01.45 | xand | at work all our (thousands of) desktop PCs have public IP addresses, but only outgoing access |
| 18:02.07 | thewanderer1 | heh... |
| 18:03.24 | thewanderer1 | wish I could afford that at home on IPv4 :P |
| 18:03.51 | _abc_ | thewanderer1: I assume so. I have the iso images for the other 5 install dvds |
| 18:03.57 | _abc_ | thewanderer1: Would they be needed? |
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| 18:04.13 | mahen23 | hello |
| 18:04.20 | mahen23 | anyone knows the meaning of archangels? |
| 18:04.31 | abrotman | debian? |
| 18:04.43 | mahen23 | no archangels |
| 18:04.51 | thewanderer1 | _abc_: they might be needed after installation, but during the installation you have all the basic stuff readily available on DVD1, including desktop environment |
| 18:04.51 | abrotman | mahen23: how is that related to Debian ? |
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| 18:05.04 | _abc_ | thewanderer1: ok, thanks |
| 18:05.09 | mahen23 | i dunno, i am just asking |
| 18:05.15 | mahen23 | its offtopic |
| 18:05.20 | mahen23 | but help me here |
| 18:05.31 | abrotman | mahen23: try #defocus or google |
| 18:05.34 | cahoot | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archangel |
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| 18:06.36 | xand | thewanderer1: not sure I'd want that many PCs at home ;) but I do have a /29 from my ISP, plus /48 for ipv6 |
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| 18:10.54 | _abc_ | Are there known incompatibilities between recent kernels and dvd-rw drives? |
| 18:11.06 | _abc_ | Mine used to work fine but now I seem to have trouble with it |
| 18:11.19 | _abc_ | Kernel is 2.6.35.10 |
| 18:11.32 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 18:11.33 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.37-trunk-686 (2.6.37-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-29~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 18:11.42 | abrotman | _abc_: that's not a Debian kernel .. which OS are you using? |
| 18:12.00 | _abc_ | It's Debian but I manually upgraded to the latest kernels, I have balky hardware |
| 18:12.06 | _abc_ | It needs the latest drivers |
| 18:12.24 | _abc_ | It causes not problems excepting for the dvd drive and sound |
| 18:12.34 | abrotman | _abc_: then you wohuld ask ##linux or #kernel if they've broken the kernel .. Or ask us about a Debian-packaged kernel |
| 18:12.35 | _abc_ | Those 2 are the balky hardwares I referred to... |
| 18:12.44 | _abc_ | Ah |
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| 18:15.27 | jhutchins_lt | _abc_: Chances that someone here has randomly selected the same options and patches and compiled that same kernel are pretty low. |
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| 18:16.10 | Bauldrick | does anyone here know about firehol, more specifically why it spews out errors..? |
| 18:16.20 | juniorsa | Hi, I need to convert my lenny mdadm raid1 to normal disks, can anyone tell me the procedure, from what I understand I need to use fdisk to change FD to 83, then modify fstab and the /boot/grub entry to reference the new /dev/sdxx is that all, does anyone know of a howto link? |
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| 18:16.49 | babilen | _abc_: You could take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage (for linux-kbuild) and the 2.6.37 from experimental |
| 18:17.08 | thewanderer1 | _abc_: couldn't you have stayed with 2.6.32? |
| 18:17.32 | babilen | Or that :) |
| 18:17.32 | _abc_ | jhutchins_lt: I understand that but I simply used make oldconfig with the .config of the last Debian kernel I used |
| 18:17.44 | _abc_ | So I don't think there is something revolutionary in it |
| 18:17.48 | babilen | _abc_: Which kernel version do you you need? |
| 18:18.14 | _abc_ | 2.6.35.10 seems to be ok excepting for the cdrom and I don't know if it's the kernel or something else |
| 18:18.20 | _abc_ | That's why I asked |
| 18:18.25 | _abc_ | brb |
| 18:18.28 | abrotman | _abc_: go to the correct channel or use a Debian kernle |
| 18:18.49 | jhutchins_lt | I know my ~3 year old Dell server won't boot off of the drive I built it off of. |
| 18:19.47 | _abc_ | abrotman: This is the second time you are saying this. I heard you the first time. Please allow me to ask others too. |
| 18:20.00 | abrotman | _abc_: you're still offtopic .. it hasn't changed .. |
| 18:20.27 | _abc_ | abrotman: Are you an admin or just an evangelist with an agenda? |
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| 18:20.31 | _abc_ | Sorry for being blunt |
| 18:20.40 | abrotman | it doesn't matter, does it? you're still offtopic |
| 18:20.57 | _abc_ | It matters because unless you are talking in several people's names I will put you on ignore |
| 18:20.59 | abrotman | You're asking #debian for support for a kernel you've configured yourself .. no one has a clue how you've broken it |
| 18:21.30 | abrotman | so please go to the correct channel, this isn't it |
| 18:21.43 | _abc_ | So the sex and age check occurs now. Are you an admin talking on behalf of the channel or? |
| 18:21.59 | juniorsa | how about just changing FD type to 83? anyone? |
| 18:22.17 | abrotman | _abc_: do you see the /topic? Debian support .. Not "Random kernel configuration support" |
| 18:22.24 | _abc_ | plonk abrotman |
| 18:22.33 | abrotman | i tried ... |
| 18:23.36 | _abc_ | In general, what do people do when a stock Debian kernel does not work with their hardware? Is there a stadnard procedure for importing the config of a standard kernel to try a different one? |
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| 18:24.12 | babilen | _abc_: Ask dpkg about "kp" and "make-kpkg" -- Also read the wiki page I mentioned earlier. |
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| 18:24.19 | _abc_ | ok |
| 18:24.21 | thewanderer1 | juniorsa: what is the purpose of what you're doing? |
| 18:24.23 | sly007 | Hello, what's the best way to start aptitude safe-upgrade where it was before my internet connection died? |
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| 18:24.34 | sly007 | Right now I have a leck problem |
| 18:24.38 | sly007 | on /var/dpkg/lock |
| 18:24.47 | abrotman | sly007: something else is using dpkg |
| 18:25.10 | JordiGH | Can an Emacs user confirm? I'm getting the following error on 23.2+1-7: require: Recursive load: "/usr/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/net/tramp.elc", "/usr/share/emacs/23.2/lisp/net/tramp-cmds.elc", |
| 18:25.21 | thewanderer1 | _abc_: you probably should not be using 2.6.35, to start with - 2.6.35 is one of the most unstable kernels released |
| 18:25.30 | sly007 | abrotman: my previous "aptitude safe-upgrade" which is stuck (my ssh connection died) |
| 18:25.45 | _abc_ | Well 2.6.36 does not work with my stuff... I tried that too |
| 18:25.51 | abrotman | sly007: kill the PID (without -9) .. see if it releases the lock |
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| 18:26.29 | thewanderer1 | isn't it strange that apt-get, which is not dpkg, locks dpkg? |
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| 18:26.34 | abrotman | no |
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| 18:27.07 | _abc_ | brb |
| 18:27.20 | abrotman | sly007: or try to use retty .. if you have it installed |
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| 18:30.36 | juniorsa | The_Eccentric: I am trying to migrate my debian box to a vmware machine, the migration program doesn't recognize software raid partitions so I want to convert the partitions so normal ext3 partitions |
| 18:31.10 | juniorsa | thewanderer1: I am trying to migrate my debian box to a vmware machine, the migration program doesn't recognize software raid partitions so I want to convert the partitions so normal ext3 partitions |
| 18:32.55 | thewanderer1 | juniorsa: could you perhaps just use a complete disk dump, and encode it to some vmdk? |
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| 18:33.12 | thewanderer1 | why does the program need to know about partitions, anyway? |
| 18:34.27 | juniorsa | thewanderer1 : I can't answer that |
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| 18:34.54 | juniorsa | thewanderer1 : If there is a better way, I'm open |
| 18:34.56 | thewanderer1 | I think there are some external tools for converting to and from vmdk |
| 18:35.04 | thewanderer1 | or whatever it's called |
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| 18:35.40 | thewanderer1 | try kvm-img or qemu-img for example, it claims it can create vmdk |
| 18:36.33 | thewanderer1 | (also, KVM is free as in speech and can run raw disk images, without converting to strange formats... :P ) |
| 18:36.33 | juniorsa | thewanderer1 : from a normal running debian software raid system? |
| 18:36.56 | thewanderer1 | juniorsa: well, I guess you have to take it offline and image the whole disk |
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| 18:37.56 | thewanderer1 | I don't think converting from mdraid to raw format is supported on Linux |
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| 18:38.31 | thewanderer1 | there's at least some metadata kept in the mdraid headers |
| 18:40.05 | juniorsa | thewanderer1 : thanks I'll try |
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| 18:44.29 | megana | Hi Debian. I created an .xsession file in roots home folder. It works great when I execute xinit as root, but when I execute xinit from an RC script it doesn't read my .xsession file |
| 18:44.43 | megana | what's up with that? |
| 18:44.55 | megana | how to fix? |
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| 18:45.12 | thewanderer1 | are you sure that in RC scripts your $HOME is set? |
| 18:45.35 | megana | I do not know, should I just do set $HOME=/root ? |
| 18:45.42 | thewanderer1 | HOME=/root |
| 18:45.53 | megana | okay I will try that |
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| 18:46.34 | thewanderer1 | btw. running X.org as root qualifies you for the Darwin Award automagically |
| 18:46.51 | JordiGH | I thought X already ran as root. |
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| 18:47.07 | megana | it's okay, it's not a public system |
| 18:47.09 | JordiGH | Isn't that like the oldest X bug? |
| 18:47.23 | megana | neat! it works |
| 18:47.39 | megana | thanks thewanderer1 |
| 18:47.50 | thewanderer1 | JordiGH: yeah, eliminated in MeeGo or whatever it was called, the Intel's OS |
| 18:48.00 | JordiGH | root 1717 2.6 1.4 167988 58288 tty7 Ss+ 01:03 18:28 /usr/bin/X |
| 18:48.08 | JordiGH | Looks like root to me. |
| 18:48.15 | thewanderer1 | well, I meant the session |
| 18:48.59 | thewanderer1 | but hey... if root runs X.org, how are users capable of running xinit/startx and launching a desktop? |
| 18:49.18 | JordiGH | Yeah, I guess that's a little weird, but hey, I'm sure megana understands the risks. |
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| 18:51.04 | megana | I told .xsession to open chrome in kiosk mode, it looks like full screen but it doesn't fill the screen all the way. It's kind of like it was trying to go full screen for a smaller resolution |
| 18:51.37 | megana | has anyone seen anything like that before? |
| 18:52.47 | andre_pl | I'm trying to setup a tftpd server with a debian squeeze installer that I can netboot, I'm a little confused by which files I need to put in /var/lib/tftpboot i've been looking around http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ and there are just so many files, which ones do I need? |
| 18:53.28 | andre_pl | i'd like to have the 'fullest' installer image |
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| 18:55.26 | ansgar | andre_pl: IIRC netboot.tar.gz contains all the other files. |
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| 18:56.39 | ansgar | andre_pl: Or at least most. Maybe mini.iso was not in there, it has been a while since I did set it up myself. |
| 18:56.55 | andre_pl | ansgar: ok I'll take a look, thanks |
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| 18:58.44 | andre_pl | ansgar: it appears to have everything except the iso, do I need that or is it just another sort of 'packages' version? |
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| 18:58.51 | jari_ | can someone explain me what happened on my server... some characters in symlink destination names have changed to strange chars, like /etc/alternatives/tracert -> /usr/bin/trac%r4.$b |
| 18:58.53 | andre_pl | *packaged |
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| 18:59.01 | Gijs | My Dedicated server is lagging as hell, how can i find out the problem of this? |
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| 18:59.20 | Bushmills | Gijs: mtr |
| 18:59.58 | ansgar | andre_pl: The documentation say `For PXE booting, everything you should need is set up in the netboot/netboot.tar.gz tarball. Simply extract this tarball into the tftpd boot image directory. Make sure your dhcp server is configured to pass pxelinux.0 to tftpd as the filename to boot.' |
| 18:59.58 | Gijs | i just see localhost |
| 19:00.18 | jari_ | i ran fsck and it fixed something, is it possible to fix those corrupted symlinks? |
| 19:00.28 | Bushmills | Gijs: from and to a remote box |
| 19:00.29 | andre_pl | ansgar: cool, thanks. can you link me to that? i had a hard time finding it |
| 19:00.42 | Gijs | and what can i see on this? |
| 19:00.48 | ansgar | andre_pl: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/ch04s05.html.en, the very last sentence. |
| 19:00.51 | Bushmills | hop latencies |
| 19:01.30 | andre_pl | i've got no idea how to configure my DHCP server for that though, its not even running on the same machine, its on my dd-wrt router, is that going to be an issue? |
| 19:01.56 | thewanderer1 | andre_pl: if you're using dnsmasq then not at all |
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| 19:02.18 | thewanderer1 | andre_pl: you need to provide pxelinux.0 via TFTP, and point dnsmasq to there - man dnsmasq |
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| 19:03.04 | andre_pl | thewanderer1: thanks I'll check into it, I think the version of dnsmasq on dd-wrt is neutered, but hopefully it will support that |
| 19:03.40 | thewanderer1 | andre_pl: it's just somewhat old, but supports passing DHCP options - tested it personally |
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| 19:03.55 | Gijs | Maybe a strange question but what could be the best free ddos protections? |
| 19:04.13 | adv_ | i'm using squeeze, and lm-sensors cannot find any sensors :/ i5 here |
| 19:04.21 | adv_ | anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 19:04.42 | thewanderer1 | adv_: modprobe coretemp; try again |
| 19:05.01 | jordanm | Gijs: iptables and fail2ban |
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| 19:05.20 | thewanderer1 | well, if his link gets spammed, no software can save him :P |
| 19:05.38 | abrotman | Gijs: you ask your ISP .. if it reaches your server, you're already screwed |
| 19:06.40 | jordanm | http://www.arbornetworks.com/en/threat-management-system.html |
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| 19:07.47 | jelly-home | Gijs: iptables blocking only works for ddos that are not managed competently. With a proper ddos your link will get saturated, and you'll have to manage it upstream (= ISP) |
| 19:08.38 | jelly-home | jordanm: "You are not authorised to view this resource. You need to login." |
| 19:08.42 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: if that DDoS mitigation system includes packing the server up a truck and moving to a clean location and linking to a new link, then I want one... |
| 19:08.51 | thewanderer1 | and what jelly-home says is true here too :P |
| 19:08.55 | jordanm | jelly-home: I saw... it wasn't like that last week. you can still get the PDF off the site |
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| 19:09.07 | Gijs | oke thank you |
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| 19:10.28 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ... the asian fonts here appear as boxes .. how can i fix this ? |
| 19:10.38 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: at first I thought it said "abrotnetworks |
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| 19:10.48 | abrotman | that's mine! |
| 19:10.52 | thewanderer1 | :P |
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| 19:11.10 | thewanderer1 | cobra-the-joker: it means you don't have asian fonts - install some |
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| 19:11.28 | cobra-the-joker | thwanderer1 any standard ones ? |
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| 19:13.02 | thewanderer1 | cobra-the-joker: try ttf-kochi* for japanese, for example |
| 19:13.09 | thewanderer1 | others if you need other languages |
| 19:13.17 | cobra-the-joker | ok |
| 19:13.36 | jordanm | do the associated locales also need to be generated? |
| 19:13.46 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: nope |
| 19:14.16 | jordanm | needs to learn more about i18n |
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| 19:19.28 | thewanderer1 | you're lucky to be living in times when we can just use UTF-8 :P |
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| 19:20.26 | abrotman | assuming your system supports that .. and the receiver does also |
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| 19:21.02 | juniorsa | ok so maybe I can start over with my request, I have a lenny system with a 200GB partition that only has 9GB of actual data, I want to move this to a vmware Esxi server that has a hardware raid1, so I don't need to be running mdadm on the new server, can anyone suggest the best way to do it? |
| 19:21.21 | jordanm | juniorsa: rsync the files |
| 19:21.42 | juniorsa | so I should just create a virutal machine in vmware and rsync / to the other system? |
| 19:22.13 | abrotman | or tar .. or something .. probably easier |
| 19:22.19 | jordanm | things like /etc/fstab will need to be altered |
| 19:22.46 | juniorsa | tar of rsync, which would have less problems? |
| 19:23.00 | jelly-home | juniorsa: doesn't matter if you're careful. |
| 19:23.01 | juniorsa | would it be easier to do it with a livecd? |
| 19:23.02 | krion | juniorsa: you're using raid soft on your actual system ? |
| 19:23.13 | juniorsa | krion : yes it's mdadm |
| 19:23.35 | juniorsa | jelly-home : what do you mean by me careful? |
| 19:23.46 | krion | juniorsa: you'll probably have to modify at least /etc/fstab |
| 19:23.49 | juniorsa | jelly-home : what are the things to look for |
| 19:23.53 | jelly-home | juniorsa: I mean take care of the tar/cp/rsync options used. |
| 19:24.06 | juniorsa | krion : any other files? |
| 19:24.17 | krion | vote for rsync over ssh with exclude /dev and /proc |
| 19:24.19 | juniorsa | jelly-home : can you suggest the options, what would be faster? |
| 19:24.24 | thewanderer1 | juniorsa: there is an alternative, though - you can migrate the filesystem image |
| 19:24.34 | jelly-home | juniorsa: doesn't matter, 9GB isn't much. |
| 19:24.45 | thewanderer1 | juniorsa: you can launch a LiveCD, mount your target disk, and dd the filesystem onto some partition |
| 19:24.46 | juniorsa | thewanderer1 : if I migrate the image won't it copy over the md config? |
| 19:24.58 | thewanderer1 | juniorsa: but I mean the filesystem itself, not the whole disk |
| 19:25.01 | thewanderer1 | without md metadata |
| 19:25.04 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: his destination is going to be smaller. |
| 19:25.20 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: it's possible to shrink the fs |
| 19:25.25 | juniorsa | thewanderer1 : exactly, I don't need a 200GB partition |
| 19:25.56 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: if he wants to mess with the original data instead of just making a copy, sure |
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| 19:26.00 | juniorsa | I would like to create a 50GB partition on the new system and then just copy the stuff over, what would be the best command? |
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| 19:27.12 | jordanm | rsync -av --exclude-from=exclude-file / root@remoteip:/ |
| 19:27.14 | darkblue_b | hi - simple question, I have a login to a machine that has sudo access, but when I go to synaptic package mgr in gnome, it asks for a password, I give it mine, and it fails.. |
| 19:27.38 | mwallacesd | cadastro de pessoas fisicas.. In Brazil,,, Is it correct cpf_ ? |
| 19:27.40 | jelly-home | juniorsa: investigate either tar or rsync, and remember to take care of: multiple file systems (copy them one by one if needed); hardlinks; sparse files if you have any; numeric uids/gids |
| 19:28.03 | pipeline | jelly-home, juniorsa : Use tar. |
| 19:28.11 | jelly-home | pipeline: I don't. |
| 19:28.18 | jordanm | darkblue_b: it probably wants the root password. launch synaptic from a root shell or with gksudo |
| 19:28.27 | darkblue_b | trying |
| 19:29.02 | juniorsa | pipeline : can you provide a complete command to copy the full system from original to target? using tar |
| 19:29.28 | kannan1222 | can some one tell me why invoke-rc dhcp3-server restart wont work |
| 19:29.41 | jelly-home | kannan1222: how does it not work? |
| 19:29.42 | jordanm | !tell kannan1222 about doesn't work |
| 19:29.58 | darkblue_b | client is not authorized to conenct to server .. ?!? I have sudo on this machine.. what to do? |
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| 19:30.20 | thewanderer1 | darkblue_b: try gksudo |
| 19:30.21 | jordanm | juniorsa: making and extracting tar archives is an essential administration skill. there are tons of examples on google... |
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| 19:30.59 | kannan1222 | it says command not found |
| 19:31.03 | darkblue_b | thewanderer1: that worked.. thx |
| 19:31.04 | jordanm | debian's manpage for tar is lacking however |
| 19:31.17 | jordanm | kannan1222: invoke-rc.d |
| 19:31.23 | jordanm | kannan1222: the tab key is your friend :) |
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| 19:31.31 | kannan1222 | oh thanks |
| 19:31.53 | kannan1222 | still same error |
| 19:32.03 | kannan1222 | am i suppose to be in a certing working directory |
| 19:32.17 | jelly-home | kannan1222: you are supposed to be root and have /usr/sbin in PATH |
| 19:32.18 | jordanm | kannan1222: your supposed to be root |
| 19:32.32 | jelly-home | or, /sbin as well |
| 19:32.42 | jelly-home | s/or,/and/ |
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| 19:33.03 | kannan1222 | i did sudo invoke-rcd dhcp3-server restart |
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| 19:33.13 | kannan1222 | says command not found |
| 19:33.27 | jordanm | sighs |
| 19:33.43 | juniorsa | thanks everyone, I'm off to try and transfer using tar |
| 19:33.44 | jordanm | kannan1222: and that's the right command that I just provided to you? |
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| 19:33.51 | jordanm | kannan1222: made use of the tab key? |
| 19:34.00 | kannan1222 | tab doesnt give me anything |
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| 19:34.20 | kannan1222 | am i suppoe |
| 19:34.28 | jordanm | kannan1222: type "invo" and press tab |
| 19:34.40 | kannan1222 | i get nothing |
| 19:34.46 | jordanm | kannan1222: in a root shell... |
| 19:34.58 | kannan1222 | i am using a live cd |
| 19:35.05 | kannan1222 | when i su - it ask me for password |
| 19:35.09 | jordanm | kannan1222: what livecd? |
| 19:35.12 | kannan1222 | i dont know the root password |
| 19:35.12 | jordanm | kannan1222: sudo -i |
| 19:35.37 | kannan1222 | ok i am root now |
| 19:35.51 | void_pointer | kannan1222 do no evil |
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| 19:36.31 | kannan1222 | hehe thanks guys |
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| 19:40.25 | jordanm | kannan1222: what are you really trying to do? |
| 19:40.50 | kannan1222 | i am trying to set up dhcpd so i can do a network install of debian |
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| 19:41.29 | jordanm | using a livecd for the netboot server? |
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| 19:48.39 | _abc_ | Hi again. Are Debian iso's optimized wrt the file order to minimize shoeshining? |
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| 19:48.47 | _abc_ | I mean when running growisofs |
| 19:49.20 | _abc_ | Because I am doing a cp -a on a Debian-507-1.dvd mounted and it does shoeshining like it's trying to grind my drive into dust |
| 19:49.39 | _abc_ | And it takes too long too imho |
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| 19:49.47 | senorpedro | hi |
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| 19:50.23 | senorpedro | i installed apache and put a .htaccess with a .htpasswd in /var/www . but when i load the site in the browser the is not password-confirm-dialog. why? |
| 19:51.18 | thewanderer1 | senorpedro: let me guess - you did not enable AllowOverride in the Directory directive? |
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| 19:51.43 | senorpedro | thewanderer1, no idea |
| 19:52.12 | thewanderer1 | your .htaccess is not respected because the virtual host is not allowed to override the settings |
| 19:52.17 | daemonkeeper | If you didn't change Debian's default configuration it is on AlllowOverride None I think |
| 19:52.39 | senorpedro | so to which value do i have to set allowoverride? |
| 19:52.44 | senorpedro | true? YES? |
| 19:52.45 | daemonkeeper | All |
| 19:52.47 | thewanderer1 | whoa, daemonkeeper, I didn't draw a pentagram but you followed me to here |
| 19:52.49 | senorpedro | ok, thx |
| 19:53.15 | senorpedro | hm still not working |
| 19:53.20 | daemonkeeper | Reload Apache |
| 19:53.31 | daemonkeeper | thewanderer1: Honestly I think the same since I saw you earlier in ##networking :p |
| 19:53.42 | senorpedro | i did reload |
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| 19:54.23 | senorpedro | is it: "ALL", "All" or "all" ? |
| 19:54.28 | daemonkeeper | Doesn't matter |
| 19:54.33 | daemonkeeper | senorpedro: You might override this setting all over again. |
| 19:54.39 | daemonkeeper | Look for the closest match |
| 19:55.00 | senorpedro | you mean override in .htaccess? |
| 19:55.04 | daemonkeeper | No |
| 19:55.08 | daemonkeeper | In your Apache configuration |
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| 19:55.27 | daemonkeeper | In sites-available/default if you didn't enable any other vhost |
| 19:55.28 | jelly-home | _abc_: the correct approach would probably be filing a bug for the debian-installer. Why are you doing a cp -a from dvd? |
| 19:55.29 | thewanderer1 | senorpedro: did you change that for the vhost, or for global directory? you need to set this in the vhost file |
| 19:55.30 | senorpedro | in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default i set AllowOverride to all. |
| 19:55.45 | _abc_ | jelly-home: I am checking it |
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| 19:56.09 | thewanderer1 | senorpedro: hm, it should be working... |
| 19:56.10 | senorpedro | thewanderer1, i guess vhost |
| 19:56.14 | _abc_ | jelly-home: The read order on install is very likely unlike anything cp -a |
| 19:56.32 | daemonkeeper | senorpedro: Consider pasting your vhost configuration |
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| 19:56.43 | jelly-home | _abc_: how come you're not just comparing the whole medium against the original .iso? |
| 19:57.00 | _abc_ | jelly-home: I did that too but I was curious also about other things |
| 19:57.28 | jelly-home | _abc_: alright, what is the actual issue you're trying to solve? |
| 19:57.54 | _abc_ | jelly-home: No issue to solve I am just asking whether other people have ordered toc's in iso's at all |
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| 19:58.11 | jelly-home | *nod* |
| 19:59.00 | jelly-home | _abc_: typically the full dvd image would only be used in an installation scenario where there's no internet access |
| 19:59.07 | _abc_ | Yes |
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| 19:59.52 | senorpedro | daemonkeeper, here it is http://nopaste.info/f2a79514fb.html |
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| 20:00.14 | daemonkeeper | senorpedro: Line 7 |
| 20:00.43 | daemonkeeper | Or line 18 if you try the same for CGI scripts |
| 20:01.24 | senorpedro | daemonkeeper, i set line 7 to true, restarted, still not working |
| 20:01.32 | senorpedro | ehm All |
| 20:01.34 | daemonkeeper | To all. |
| 20:01.39 | senorpedro | yes, sorry type |
| 20:01.41 | senorpedro | typo |
| 20:01.54 | daemonkeeper | Well, what does your .htaccess contain then |
| 20:02.56 | senorpedro | http://nopaste.info/887508a9d0.html |
| 20:03.43 | jhutchins_lt | Speaking of apache - are robots.txt files valid in subdirectories, or is only the root /robots.txt valid? |
| 20:05.00 | daemonkeeper | Ok, this looks good as well. How exactly to you reload the configuration? |
| 20:05.24 | senorpedro | /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 20:05.25 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: this is not a part of the HTTP standard or Apache server at all, right? |
| 20:05.34 | daemonkeeper | thewanderer1: right. |
| 20:05.48 | thewanderer1 | to me it seems that spiders wouldn't be bothered to look in subdirectories |
| 20:05.59 | thewanderer1 | it would mean lots of wasted bandwidth |
| 20:06.11 | daemonkeeper | robots.txt is a pure optional feature anyway. Noone is forced to consider it |
| 20:06.14 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: I believe it is part of the http standard, and yes, I think you're right. |
| 20:06.30 | jhutchins_lt | daemonkeeper: It's all optional. |
| 20:06.41 | daemonkeeper | That's what I am saying. |
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| 20:07.00 | senorpedro | hm thats weird: when i access / i get no password-prompt, but when i access /index.html i get one. seems like it works after all |
| 20:07.13 | jhutchins_lt | The great thing about standards it that there are so many to chose from. |
| 20:07.16 | senorpedro | but why no password-confirmation when accessing / ? |
| 20:07.27 | daemonkeeper | So? Where do you have your .htaccess located at all? |
| 20:07.38 | daemonkeeper | In your DocumentRoot? |
| 20:07.55 | daemonkeeper | jhutchins_lt: Or to completely ignore them at all. |
| 20:07.56 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: actually it's only a de-facto standard :P |
| 20:08.32 | Squawk | Hey all. I have 800mhz ram in my debian box, in a mobo that supports 800mhz ram (ddr2), but lshw -short reports the ram as running at 400mhz. Ideas, bios issue? Linux issue? Other? |
| 20:08.42 | senorpedro | daemonkeeper, in /var/ww |
| 20:08.43 | senorpedro | w |
| 20:08.57 | pipeline | Squawk: wouldn't worry about it |
| 20:09.19 | Squawk | pipeline, in my nature I'm afraid ;-) I prefer to understand |
| 20:10.50 | daemonkeeper | senorpedro: So you have now AllowOverride now twice in your default vhost? |
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| 20:11.45 | senorpedro | daemonkeeper, no i removed the one for / |
| 20:12.30 | senorpedro | it seems to work correctly now although i'm not sure why / can be access without password confirmation |
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| 20:12.59 | senorpedro | also i dont know where the "it works" page on / comes from but thats another topic |
| 20:13.03 | thewanderer1 | Squawk: check at the POST screen, it should yield the definitive answer |
| 20:13.12 | daemonkeeper | senorpedro: /var/www/index.html |
| 20:13.26 | thewanderer1 | it's a redirect I think |
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| 20:13.45 | senorpedro | daemonkeeper, no thats another one |
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| 20:13.54 | abrotman | Squawk: do you know what DDR means? |
| 20:14.10 | senorpedro | ah sorry daemonkeeper, you are right |
| 20:14.16 | senorpedro | thats the file |
| 20:14.20 | Squawk | abrotman, double date rate, and why didn't I think of that ;-) |
| 20:14.39 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: funny, my 1333MHz memory is displayed as 1333MHz :P |
| 20:14.47 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, it's only the root file that's valid, even says so in the file that confused me. |
| 20:15.11 | Squawk | thewanderer1, POST screen? |
| 20:15.58 | thewanderer1 | Squawk: yeah, the screen that BIOS-based machines should display when booting :P |
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| 20:16.14 | daemonkeeper | "power on self test" |
| 20:16.14 | Squawk | thewanderer1, ahh gotcha |
| 20:16.35 | daemonkeeper | These annoying tests, when booting the machine |
| 20:17.58 | thewanderer1 | daemonkeeper: still preferable to the machine exploding |
| 20:18.28 | daemonkeeper | I doubt, the POST would avoid that |
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| 20:33.25 | petekaz | anyone have any experience with using a preseed file to automate squeeze installation? |
| 20:33.59 | petekaz | I could not get it to work at all as the installer would still prompt for a question that I had configured in the preseed.cfg file. |
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| 20:40.12 | action09 | hi all |
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| 20:40.38 | Accelerator | Is it possible to get cPanel working properly on Debian? |
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| 20:41.31 | action09 | it seems that maybe i've this bug #519158, they asked to try 2.6.28 kernel. can i try it from lenny od do i have to dist-upgrade to etsting/squeeze, as far as i know it'll be 2.6.3x based... what yould i do please ? |
| 20:41.47 | action09 | withe letters in correct order :) |
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| 20:43.08 | jelly-home | Accelerator: as with all third party closed tools, consult their support matrix and do not deviate from the supported installation methods |
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| 20:44.17 | Accelerator | notes this is one thing he does NOT like about cPanel |
| 20:44.30 | Accelerator | There abhorently bad support for anything but CentOS based systems |
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| 20:47.44 | jelly-home | so use CentOS. |
| 20:48.09 | Arrowmaster | or just dont use cpanel |
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| 20:50.29 | jhutchins | !webmin |
| 20:50.29 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://bugs.debian.org/343897 about the removal from Debian. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 20:50.41 | jhutchins | !free whcp |
| 20:50.42 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig>, <ispCP Omega> and <RavenCore>. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
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| 20:51.49 | lupine_85 | http://projects.bytemark.co.uk/projects/symbiosis ? |
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| 20:52.11 | lupine_85 | no web frontend, but who needs one of those? |
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| 21:00.02 | abrotman | !tell |
| 21:00.29 | Xenguy | dpkg |
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| 21:03.53 | babilen | happiness |
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| 21:04.18 | jelly-home | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, babilen |
| 21:04.31 | babilen | is sad now |
| 21:04.33 | manhunter | what does it mean by di ? debian-sq-di-rc1-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 21:04.44 | babilen | "debian installer" |
| 21:04.54 | jelly-home | !hug babilen |
| 21:04.54 | dpkg | gives babilen a hug |
| 21:05.13 | babilen | It is the first release candidate of Squeeze's debian-installer (hence rc1 and di) |
| 21:05.31 | jelly-home | it's really obvious! <g> |
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| 21:06.02 | jelly-home | !rc bugs |
| 21:06.02 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=squeeze&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php . See also <rc-alert>. |
| 21:07.10 | manhunter | how many release candidate will be published before final debian squeeze installer ? |
| 21:07.38 | Arrowmaster | as many as needed |
| 21:07.43 | lauris | n+k |
| 21:07.52 | manhunter | what is the normal ? |
| 21:08.05 | abrotman | darkshine: please don't msg people without permissoin |
| 21:08.25 | abrotman | darkshine: ask your question in the channel |
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| 21:09.19 | manhunter | debhelper sets channel limit to 947 , what is that? |
| 21:09.58 | jelly-home | manhunter: it's a channel bot, ignore it |
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| 21:10.13 | manhunter | how many release candidate will be published before final debian squeeze installer ? |
| 21:10.26 | manhunter | how many release candidate are published before final debian squeeze installer ? |
| 21:10.35 | manhunter | normal release candidate |
| 21:10.36 | Arrowmaster | nobody knows |
| 21:10.55 | abrotman | manhunter: how many times are you planning to reinstall? |
| 21:11.32 | manhunter | nobody knows the normal number of release candidate from previous experience? |
| 21:11.32 | Xenguy | Need a little help - a recent grub-pc update was apparently poorly handled by me, and I received 2 scary warnings (though not strictly errors). See here: http://paste.debian.net/104807/ |
| 21:12.03 | abrotman | manhunter: there isn't one .. |
| 21:12.06 | manhunter | how many release candidate version were published before the final debian lenny installer? |
| 21:12.11 | Xenguy | Question: would running dpkg-reconfigure grub-setup help fix my poor choices? |
| 21:12.26 | manhunter | abrotman, for debian lenny installer ? |
| 21:12.36 | abrotman | manhunter: there isn't a set number |
| 21:12.50 | manhunter | abrotman, not set number |
| 21:13.01 | manhunter | abrotman, but the normal release candidate |
| 21:13.10 | abrotman | there isn't one |
| 21:13.23 | abrotman | lenny had two .. but that doesn't mean squeeze won't have five |
| 21:13.24 | manhunter | abrotman, is my question clear? |
| 21:13.30 | abrotman | and i don't see why you care |
| 21:13.56 | manhunter | abrotman, so debian lenny installer had two release candidates ? |
| 21:13.59 | Arrowmaster | and its not like there have been enough debian releases to be able to calculate a good statistical average |
| 21:14.07 | abrotman | manhunter: and what does that mean? |
| 21:14.16 | manhunter | abrotman, so debian lenny installer had two release candidates ? |
| 21:14.33 | babilen | manhunter: You've just asked that. |
| 21:14.38 | manhunter | my english is not good |
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| 21:15.02 | abrotman | manhunter: i don't see why that matters |
| 21:15.20 | manhunter | abrotman, that doesn't matter |
| 21:15.30 | abrotman | that's what i said five minutes ago ... |
| 21:15.47 | manhunter | abrotman, just to guess how many release candidates can we get before debian squeeze final installer |
| 21:16.04 | abrotman | they're not related |
| 21:16.05 | manhunter | abrotman, i think you answered "two" , right |
| 21:16.12 | manhunter | ? |
| 21:16.20 | amphi | manhunter: the canonical guess is 'seven' |
| 21:16.33 | Arrowmaster | 42 |
| 21:16.48 | amphi | that is not a guess |
| 21:16.57 | Arrowmaster | is too |
| 21:17.22 | manhunter | amphi, what is canonical guess , i think you are a troll |
| 21:17.43 | manhunter | Arrowmaster, are you troll? |
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| 21:17.43 | amphi | what, my bridge is showing? |
| 21:17.50 | Xenguy | abrotman: when you have a moment, could I get your feedback on a grub issue I'm having - something tells me you would know how to solve things (I get nervous around boot loaders ;-) |
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| 21:18.12 | abrotman | you can ask .. |
| 21:18.19 | manhunter | Xenguy, what is the problem with grub? |
| 21:18.27 | Xenguy | Need a little help - a recent grub-pc update was apparently poorly handled by me, and I received 2 scary warnings (though not strictly errors). See here: http://paste.debian.net/104807/ |
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| 21:18.36 | Xenguy | Question: would running dpkg-reconfigure grub-setup help fix my poor choices? |
| 21:18.48 | manhunter | Xenguy, may be no |
| 21:18.58 | Xenguy | or is it dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc ? |
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| 21:19.37 | amphi | Xenguy: do you want grub installed to the MBR? |
| 21:19.39 | Bushmills | grub-install <your-device> |
| 21:20.42 | amphi | or is this an unpartitioned device? |
| 21:20.51 | Xenguy | amphi: well I think that is where it was, before I updated grub-pc, and now I think grub-setup is trying to tell me that installing grub to a partition is a BAD IDEA |
| 21:21.23 | Xenguy | amphi: so yes, I think I just want grub installed to MBR, and not partition |
| 21:21.35 | manhunter | Xenguy, why is it a bad idea ? |
| 21:21.47 | babilen | Xenguy: Those "errors" result when you install grub to something else than the MBR (e.g. /boot partition) -- You can install to more than one location and it looks as if the installation went fine. If you want to be sure, run "grub-install /dev/XXX" (replaxe XXX with the device name you want to install to, for example, sda) |
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| 21:21.52 | amphi | then, as Bushmills said, grub-install /dev/sda or whatever your boot device is |
| 21:21.53 | manhunter | Xenguy, Can you pastebin fdisk -l and the menu.lst ? |
| 21:21.57 | Xenguy | manhunter: see http://paste.debian.net/104807/ |
| 21:22.27 | amphi | manhunter: grub2 doesn't use menu.lst |
| 21:22.41 | Xenguy | babilen: Is there some way to UNinstall it from partition, and just leave GRUB on MBR where it normally should be? |
| 21:23.00 | manhunter | Xenguy, amphi grub.cfg |
| 21:23.56 | manhunter | Xenguy, Have you tried installing in MBR ? |
| 21:24.23 | babilen | Xenguy: Good question, never done that or considered it important ... I am sure that there is some way though. |
| 21:24.34 | Xenguy | manhunter: it *was* already installed to MBR before I did the update to grub-pc later |
| 21:25.01 | manhunter | Xenguy, Can you pastebin fdisk -l and grub.cfg ? |
| 21:25.08 | Xenguy | babilen: So maybe things are fine the way it is right now? |
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| 21:25.16 | Xenguy | manhunter: OK, one moment |
| 21:25.33 | manhunter | Xenguy, and what happens if you do aptitude install grub2 ? |
| 21:25.50 | babilen | Xenguy: Probably, but as I said, make sure that you install to your mbr as well. (e.g. grub-install /dev/sda) |
| 21:26.06 | Bushmills | you don't "uninstall" it. you could overwriting the boot sector with the version before installing grub boot code as "uninstalling", but if you don't have a copy, just leave it where it is. |
| 21:26.42 | manhunter | It's good news debian squeeze installer got release candidate 2, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 21:26.44 | Bushmills | when it is time that you want to overwrite the partition boot record with something else, grub boot record will be gone |
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| 21:27.33 | Xenguy | manhunter: fdisk -l -> http://paste.debian.net/104809/ |
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| 21:28.21 | Bushmills | it won't hurt leaving it on partition boot record. may even be an advantage when you accidentally install windows on another partition, and wind installer overwrites your master boot record. |
| 21:30.21 | manhunter | Xenguy, Can you pastebin dpkg -l | grep grub |
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| 21:31.40 | Bartzy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.48 | Bartzy | I tried watch but it's only for real time.. how can I save with it ? |
| 21:31.58 | Xenguy | manhunter: grub.cfg -> http://paste.debian.net/104811/ |
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| 21:32.33 | Xenguy | is sleep-deprived, sorry I am so slow right now... |
| 21:32.46 | Bushmills | Bartzy: a cron job which redirects output of ps aux to a dir/file using date+time in their names |
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| 21:33.25 | Bartzy | Bushmills: I want to do it with watch or some kind |
| 21:33.29 | Bartzy | and same file |
| 21:33.30 | babilen | Xenguy: Get some sleep then. The work you finish in 1 ½ hours now will be done in 15 minutes tomorrow ;) |
| 21:33.43 | manhunter | What's the problem with this current grub? set root='(hd0,msdos1)' , it's setting root in this way |
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| 21:33.53 | Bushmills | then append to files, instead of redirecting to new file every time |
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| 21:35.11 | manhunter | Xenguy, What happens if you try to reinstall grub in MBR ? |
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| 21:35.24 | manhunter | Xenguy, can you pastebin dpkg -l | grep grub |
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| 21:35.36 | manhunter | Xenguy, Try aptitude install grub2 |
| 21:35.38 | Bushmills | you don't need watch. for periodic activation, if you dislike cronjob, just run it from a loop as shell command |
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| 21:36.05 | stf | i need a program to read out a smart card |
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| 21:36.38 | abrotman | aren't they encrypted? |
| 21:36.48 | stf | i need a program to read out a smart cards |
| 21:36.56 | Xenguy | manhunter: dpkg -l |grep grub -> http://paste.debian.net/104812/ |
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| 21:37.35 | Xenguy | re-reads the buffer... |
| 21:37.53 | jhutchins_lt | manhunter: psst: dpkg -l "grub*" |
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| 21:38.28 | manhunter | jhutchins_lt, why is that ? |
| 21:38.31 | manhunter | grub* |
| 21:38.35 | jhutchins_lt | Xenguy: Ok, we are not dealing with grub2 here, this is standard grub-legacy. |
| 21:38.54 | jhutchins_lt | manhunter: As opposed to piping it through grep. |
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| 21:39.13 | manhunter | jhutchins_lt, what's the problem with grep |
| 21:39.42 | jelly-home | manhunter: it's a bit slower. |
| 21:40.05 | manhunter | jelly-home, how are you sure? |
| 21:40.14 | jelly-home | extremely sure. |
| 21:40.40 | thewanderer1 | hey, is there a solution that would allow me to notify all active LAN users of something? kind of like Instant Messaging, but broadcast or multicast, and every user should see that |
| 21:40.52 | thewanderer1 | (WinPopup comes to mind doesn't it?) |
| 21:41.25 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Yes, you can install something like that on all PC's and make it a mandatory part of everybody's environment, but you have to set each PC up. |
| 21:41.44 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: I'm not sure there's a real cross-platform solution. |
| 21:41.48 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: I was asking about the "something" part - a program name |
| 21:41.52 | thewanderer1 | well I don't care about Windows |
| 21:42.19 | Xenguy | jhutchins_lt: I should have mentioned I upgraded to squeeze, so I am 'between' grub-legacy and grub2 IIUC. |
| 21:42.22 | jhutchins_lt | points thewanderer1 to teh googles. |
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| 21:42.41 | jelly-home | rwall? |
| 21:42.50 | jhutchins_lt | Xenguy: No, for some reason you are on grub-legacy, you do not have grub2. |
| 21:42.58 | thewanderer1 | you see jhutchins_lt, that's the problem with search engines - they don't let me type in wishes :P |
| 21:43.19 | Xenguy | jhutchins_lt: I have not yet jetisoned grub-legacy, true |
| 21:43.28 | manhunter | Xenguy, sometimes upgrading is painful |
| 21:43.46 | jhutchins_lt | Xenguy: I missed what happened when you did grub-install /dev/sda |
| 21:43.52 | manhunter | Xenguy, does something happen doing aptitude install grub2 |
| 21:43.54 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt, Xenguy: GRUB1 can chainload GRUB2, so it's possible to be "in between" |
| 21:44.04 | manhunter | Xenguy, you can join #grub |
| 21:44.11 | thewanderer1 | the script to upgrade to GRUB2 is "upgrade-to-grub2" or sth like that |
| 21:44.13 | Xenguy | thewanderer1: exactly, that's where I am right now |
| 21:44.30 | jhutchins_lt | manhunter: Let's fix the existing grub before we try to replace it. |
| 21:44.51 | jhutchins_lt | manhunter: He doesn't have anything exotic that would make grub2 desirable, and it's WAY more complex to troubleshoot. |
| 21:45.17 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: grub2 will not run if not installed however. |
| 21:45.30 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Also, there is no grub1, it's grub0 and grub2. |
| 21:45.44 | manhunter | jhutchins_lt, can you tell why has this happened with this current grub |
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| 21:46.02 | jhutchins_lt | manhunter: Only if he answers me. |
| 21:46.03 | Xenguy | babilen: Bushmills: From what you've said, my sense is that even though I received warnings, and that grub is installed on partition in addition to MBR, this is perhaps no big problem... |
| 21:46.16 | jhutchins_lt | Xenguy: I missed what happened when you did grub-install /dev/sda |
| 21:46.39 | manhunter | Xenguy, yes, did you try grub-install /dev/sda |
| 21:47.24 | jhutchins_lt | This might have something to do with debconf, in which case dpkg-reconfigure grub might eliminate future errors. |
| 21:47.28 | Xenguy | jhutchins_lt: I did not do that recently. Basically I did a successful install (of grub to MBR). Later I applied an update to the grub-pc package and it gave me icky warnings... |
| 21:47.51 | Xenguy | jhutchins_lt: So I *think* that grub is installed to both MBR and parition right now |
| 21:47.56 | jhutchins_lt | Possibly dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc |
| 21:48.04 | jhutchins_lt | Xenguy: It won't hurt to make sure. |
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| 21:48.25 | Xenguy | jhutchins_lt: what's the easiest way to verify that grub is installed to MBR? |
| 21:48.32 | jhutchins_lt | Xenguy: There may be A grub on your mbr, but it might not be the current one. |
| 21:48.43 | jhutchins_lt | Xenguy: grub-install /dev/sda |
| 21:49.15 | manhunter | Xenguy, you can make sure that the grub is install in MBR doing this again , grub-install /dev/sda |
| 21:49.33 | Xenguy | jhutchins_lt: So 'grub-install /dev/sda' is a 'read-only' command? (Just checking) IOW I won't be 'writing/changing' anything with that command? |
| 21:49.35 | manhunter | Xenguy, or you can use the debian installer cd to install grub in MBR |
| 21:49.43 | jhutchins_lt | Other than reading the mbr with dd or a block editor... |
| 21:49.57 | jhutchins_lt | manhunter: That would not install the updated version he has. |
| 21:50.29 | jhutchins_lt | Xenguy: It will write the current grub to the mbr. If it's already there, no harm done. If it's not there, problem solved. |
| 21:50.29 | manhunter | jhutchins_lt, aptitude install grub2 would install the updated version |
| 21:50.51 | jhutchins_lt | manhunter: In an environment known to have a problem. |
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| 21:51.27 | jhutchins_lt | manhunter: What do you suppose would happen if it updated the /boot files to grub2, but left the mbr grub0? |
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| 21:52.14 | jhutchins_lt | manhunter: It could work, but I wouldn't try it unless I had access to the hardware. |
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| 21:52.24 | manhunter | jhutchins_lt, grub-install /dev/sda should update the /boot and mbr grub0 |
| 21:52.47 | manhunter | jhutchins_lt, using the debian cd with rescue is better |
| 21:53.01 | jhutchins_lt | manhunter: Actually, grub-install doesn't change anything in /boot |
| 21:53.10 | jhutchins_lt | manhunter: No, it's not the same version of grub. |
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| 21:53.38 | jhutchins_lt | manhunter: It'll probably work fine, but it wouldn't fix the problem. |
| 21:53.54 | manhunter | jhutchins_lt, it's safer to use the grub with the debian cd |
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| 21:54.48 | manhunter | jhutchins_lt, grub-install /dev/sda should change the grub.cfg in /boot/grub....... |
| 21:54.53 | Xenguy | jhutchins_lt: This debate is over my head unfortunately. I don't want to do anything rash. I'm thinking that dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc might be a safe way to go? What do you think, is it fairly low risk? |
| 21:54.58 | jhutchins_lt | What I would do woudl be grub-install and look for errors, then dpkg-reconfigure to make sure debconf is set to install to the mbr, which I suspect is where the problem is and which would be inhereted by grub2 if it were updated, possibly resulting in an unbootable system. |
| 21:55.07 | jhutchins_lt | I can't get a coherent response out of him though, so I'm done. |
| 21:55.11 | manhunter | jhutchins_lt, if there any manual entry in grub.cfg |
| 21:55.47 | Xenguy | jhutchins_lt: I didn't realize I was being "incoherent" :-/ |
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| 21:55.57 | manhunter | Xenguy, Just use the debian cd with rescue mod and sleep |
| 21:55.59 | chrisign | hello, is there a way how I can find out with whitch gcc a certain application was build, same as I can ask the kernel? |
| 21:56.03 | juniorsa | Hi, I just restored a tar'd backup onto a new system, I get a grub error, should I exclude /boot when I am restoring? |
| 21:57.44 | Xenguy | jhutchins_lt: Now that manhunter is not distracting the conversation, can you just respond to my last question? |
| 21:58.33 | Xenguy | jhutchins_lt: about dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc |
| 21:59.02 | Xenguy | Well, okay, that went well, didn't it? :p |
| 21:59.08 | macrobat | juniorsa: what problem and what grub? i'd expect trouble with /etc/fstab also |
| 21:59.38 | garulf | Hi!..can't play defcon on my squeeze 64bit, says it ca't find the file when is right there |
| 21:59.46 | juniorsa | macrobat : yes I edited the /etc/fstab and updated the devices with the new machine name |
| 22:00.06 | juniorsa | macrobat : but should I just exclude /etc/fstab and /boot ? |
| 22:00.27 | Xenguy | Thanks to everyone who tried to help, in any case. I'm going to reboot the damn machine, and I predict there will be no problem at all :P |
| 22:00.40 | garulf | like bash: ./defcon.bin.x86: No such file or directory |
| 22:01.17 | jelly-home | garulf: does the file have executable permissions? |
| 22:01.44 | abrotman | is your system i386? |
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| 22:02.07 | garulf | Jelly-home, yes |
| 22:02.14 | garulf | jelly-home, yes |
| 22:02.41 | jelly-home | garulf: what do "file ./defcon.bin.x86" and "ldd ./defcon.bin.x86" say? |
| 22:02.46 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 22:02.46 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 22:02.51 | abrotman | use paste.debian.net |
| 22:04.35 | thewanderer1 | how can I send a multicast UDP packet to all-nodes (IPv6) on a LAN? |
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| 22:04.56 | thewanderer1 | I'm looking for a CLI solution, not writing a custom program |
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| 22:05.09 | garulf | jelly-home, http://paste.debian.net/104816/ |
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| 22:05.47 | garulf | jelly-home, seems like can't find the linker or something like that? |
| 22:06.10 | jelly-home | garulf: sounds like you're missing the 32bit compatibility stuff, yes |
| 22:06.13 | Xenguy | The damn machine rebooted just fine - if it ain't broke, don't fix it :P |
| 22:06.38 | Xenguy | Thanks Bushmills, you were on the right track I think |
| 22:06.42 | simonrvn | Xenguy: hehe, i had a feeling you were right |
| 22:06.45 | garulf | jelly-home, google for that |
| 22:07.16 | jelly-home | garulf: install ia32-libs for a start |
| 22:08.01 | Xenguy | simonrvn: manhunter was only trying to help, but his English was not so good, and he ultimately derailed the conversation unfortunately. Anyhow, alls well that ends well :-) |
| 22:08.07 | jelly-home | garulf: rerun the ldd command afterwards |
| 22:08.10 | simonrvn | yup |
| 22:08.17 | garulf | jelly-home, ok! |
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| 22:11.44 | sedulous | How can I find out if my system supports Intel VT-d? |
| 22:12.27 | abrotman | /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 22:12.33 | sedulous | abrotman: which flag is VT-d? |
| 22:12.51 | abrotman | !cpuflags |
| 22:12.51 | dpkg | A list of cpuflags and their meaning: http://blog.incase.de/index.php/cpu-feature-flags-and-their-meanings/ |
| 22:13.15 | sedulous | abrotman: I've been there. It doesn't list VT-d. |
| 22:13.36 | sedulous | a.k.a. IOMMU |
| 22:13.43 | thewanderer1 | sedulous: check with Intel page (ark.intel.com - type the model) |
| 22:13.56 | thewanderer1 | sedulous: hint: your motherboard also has to support VT-d, CPU is not enough |
| 22:14.29 | garulf | jelly-home, ok it show libraries and run...but seems have some problems. Can see the menu only when moving mouse, can be a 32bit compatibility issue? |
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| 22:16.18 | sedulous | thewanderer1: the ark.intel.com site doesn't specify it but I assume "no" then |
| 22:16.20 | sedulous | thanks |
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| 22:18.34 | jelly-home | garulf: I'm not a user of that app, no idea what might be the problem |
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| 22:19.54 | garulf | jelly-home: ok thanks by the way. But an 32bit application can link a 64bit library? |
| 22:20.21 | thewanderer1 | garulf: no :P |
| 22:21.11 | sedulous | thewanderer1: \o/ I just checked my laptop's BIOS and there's an option for Intel VT-d! |
| 22:21.19 | jelly-home | garulf: in general no. |
| 22:21.24 | garulf | and so i should redownload all the libraries that this app uses? |
| 22:21.25 | thewanderer1 | sedulous: it doesn't mean that it's supported, heh :P |
| 22:21.41 | jelly-home | garulf: if it's working, it already has all it needs |
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| 22:21.46 | garulf | and how the app select the right one ? |
| 22:21.59 | jelly-home | garulf: that's what ldd shows. |
| 22:23.00 | garulf | jelly-home: ok ok, thanks! |
| 22:23.03 | jelly-home | garulf: each ELF architecture (x86_64, i386) uses a separate library loader, and it finds the relevant libraries (or not) |
| 22:23.17 | jelly-home | !ld.so |
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| 22:23.25 | jelly-home | dpkg: you suck! |
| 22:23.25 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 22:23.59 | ymas | hello everyone, where do you report typos in online documentation |
| 22:25.43 | sedulous | thewanderer1: it appears to be active, # dmesg |grep IOMMU [...] [ 0.024324] IOMMU 0: reg_base_addr feb03000 ver 1:0 cap c9008020e30260 ecap 1000 |
| 22:26.08 | sedulous | kind of unusual on a laptop but nice nevertheless |
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| 22:26.53 | simonrvn | probably a desktop cpu that has scaling capabilities |
| 22:27.29 | sedulous | simonrvn: it's a laptop CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo P8400 |
| 22:27.49 | jelly-home | not even i3/i5 new |
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| 22:28.54 | jelly-home | !tell ymas about reportbug |
| 22:29.19 | jelly-home | ymas: you'll likely want to report a bug against the package called "www.debian.org" |
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| 22:30.33 | thewanderer1 | how would I send a UDP multicast over IPv6? |
| 22:31.28 | thewanderer1 | how do I even send any UDP broadcasts/multicasts from console? |
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| 22:33.57 | thewanderer1 | apparently `nc -u 192.168.0.255 8067` produces no packets |
| 22:34.26 | kanzure | hi there. i'm looking for python-qt4 for version PyQt 4.2.. is there a quick way via apt to search for old packages? |
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| 22:43.57 | jelly-home | kanzure: no, but there's snapshots.debian.org |
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| 22:45.40 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: I've no idea how m'cast works on ipv6, but for ipv6 there're tools like emcast |
| 22:46.28 | jelly-home | but for ipv4* |
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| 22:48.29 | jd823592 | Hello, i am trying to apt-get install something that depends on libraries of newer versions than i have, apt-get doesnt install them because i have them already.. how can i make it to install the newest? |
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| 22:49.44 | abrotman | jd823592: aptitude update ; aptitude full-upgrade ? |
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| 22:50.03 | garulf | anybody play defcon on debian squeeze 64bit? |
| 22:51.03 | jd823592 | abrotman: i will try that, thanks, hopefully it will help |
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| 22:52.12 | Floops | by default debian has two screen .. how can you add another screen |
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| 22:53.10 | jd823592 | abrota |
| 22:53.12 | jd823592 | sry |
| 22:53.22 | jd823592 | abrotman: the full-upgrade didnt help |
| 22:53.40 | jd823592 | abrotman: it didnt even try to install newer versions of the libs |
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| 22:53.56 | abrotman | jd823592: which library? |
| 22:54.02 | jd823592 | abrotman: might that be because of the newer versions being in experimental? |
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| 22:54.20 | jd823592 | abrotman: libcairo2 libatk etc.. gnome stuff |
| 22:54.21 | abrotman | probably |
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| 22:54.55 | jd823592 | any way other then manually install each dependency starting from the depest one? |
| 22:56.04 | jd823592 | oh it might be because of conficts |
| 22:56.25 | jd823592 | but what if i want it to install the new libs anyway? |
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| 23:00.02 | abrotman | try using aptitude |
| 23:01.01 | jelly-home | jd823592: what is it exactly that you're trying to install, and how does it fail? |
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| 23:02.05 | jd823592 | jelly-home: i am trying to install gnome-shell from experimental.. it just complains: i need this.. but it wont be installed |
| 23:02.20 | jd823592 | more than dozen of times |
| 23:02.21 | abrotman | use aptitude |
| 23:02.24 | jd823592 | ok |
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| 23:03.59 | jelly-home | jd823592: packages in experimental presume you're running sid... are you? |
| 23:05.12 | jd823592 | is sid unstable? |
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| 23:11.10 | abrotman | jd823592: perhaps put your sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 23:11.28 | jd823592 | ok |
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| 23:12.56 | jd823592 | http://pastebin.com/Ng4fZJFJ |
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| 23:13.39 | jelly-home | yes, sid==unstable |
| 23:14.38 | jd823592 | i debootrapped unstable and installed gnome, then i wanted to install gnome-shell and i found out it cant coexist with gnome |
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| 23:33.55 | wolfric | are all packages downloaded using the likes of aptitude, signed and keys to verify those stored on the os? So for example if i set up a local repository and someone manages to compromise it and change some of the packages, when i go to aptitude install them, should it give me an error? |
| 23:34.15 | wolfric | or not on the os rather but on the machine |
| 23:34.33 | wolfric | ..client machine? machine installing the package.. |
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| 23:36.42 | abrotman | !apt secure |
| 23:36.42 | dpkg | [apt-secure] Starting with version 0.6, <APT> performs signature checking of the Release file for all archives. See http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt , "man apt-secure" and chapter 7 of the Securing Debian Manual (ask me about <securing debian>) for more information. See also <key>, <no public key>. |
| 23:36.54 | wolfric | cheers |
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| 23:43.05 | daemonkeeper | (Where I'd vote to enforce security even stronger, i.e. to completely refuse the installation of packages that fail to proove their integrity unless passed --i-dont-give-anything-on-security-do-what-i-say and confirm this choice again) |
| 23:43.17 | daemonkeeper | *proof |
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| 23:49.43 | jordanm | daemonkeeper: aptitude install selinux will be close. many apps will break |
| 23:50.20 | jordanm | if you are lucky, you will fail to boot, then you will be extra secure |
| 23:50.21 | daemonkeeper | SELinux is a different topic, that is MAC for the local machine. |
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| 23:51.16 | thewanderer1 | grsecurity is the hot stuff nowadays - nobody has ever managed to boot/shutdown with it enabled |
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| 23:52.09 | daemonkeeper | I am just saying apt should not only warn about unsigned packages, and provide a switch to ignore signatures at all, but do vice versa, i.e. refuse to work unless the use explicitly says he does not want it to check signatures. |
| 23:52.19 | daemonkeeper | *user |
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| 23:52.41 | daemonkeeper | And make clear, that this is a bad idea |
| 23:52.51 | clint- | hey all |
| 23:53.18 | themill | daemonkeeper: perhaps you should check what apt's current behaviour is |
| 23:53.28 | clint- | hey can I ask you deb people something :) |
| 23:53.40 | daemonkeeper | I know. It warns about unsigned packages and continues to work themill |
| 23:53.41 | jordanm | !tell clint- about ask |
| 23:53.51 | themill | daemonkeeper: no it doesn't. |
| 23:53.53 | clint- | I can't rem who I had a chat with, about dd random, timed filled formats.. well, thats what I'm trying to integrate into a diff distro.. won't say name out of respect.. |
| 23:53.56 | abrotman | he lives! |
| 23:54.04 | clint- | I know debian supports this.. |
| 23:54.19 | abrotman | clint-: shuldn't you ask your distro channel ? |
| 23:54.25 | clint- | during install, used debian and coded on it from 2005 - 08 |
| 23:54.30 | clint- | or 07, I think |
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| 23:54.43 | clint- | hehe thats the thing.. there not really into making things better :) |
| 23:54.58 | clint- | I'm studying dd, commands , so.. ;-) |
| 23:55.07 | daemonkeeper | themill: It doesn't? I have the exact message not in mind, it tells something like "the authentication of the following packages could not be authenticated, going on Y/N?" |
| 23:55.19 | abrotman | clint-: the source for the installer is available if that's what you're after .. if you want to fix the other distro, ask them how to do it .. we don't even know what tools you have |
| 23:55.27 | clint- | just couldn't rem who I talked with in debian. |
| 23:55.42 | clint- | well I been working with the distro actually for a long time :P |
| 23:55.52 | clint- | just was spending more time with debian and otherS** |
| 23:56.00 | clint- | its okay I'll figure it out, ty abrotman |
| 23:56.06 | abrotman | clint-: the sources are available .. |
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