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| 00:02.33 | daemonkeeper | themill: So I was saying, the other way around would be better, out of a security perspective. That would mean: Throw an error and exit apt unless passed --ignore-security or something scary and warn more painful when actually installing such packages, e.g. similar to the way apt handles removing essential packages. |
| 00:04.33 | roe | I have this line in /etc/sudoers, but when I sudo rsync as that user I am still prompted for a password: backuprsync govm90= NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/rsync |
| 00:04.43 | themill | daemonkeeper: it's handling of unsigned releases is exactly the same as for removing essential packages. It prints a big scary warning advising you that it's not a good thing to do and requires you to explicitly allow it, unless you've given it -o APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated=true |
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| 00:06.56 | EvilPhoenix | hi, i'm trying to figure out whether to use webmin on a debian squeeze server, but i'm not sure whether i should use webmin or something else |
| 00:06.58 | EvilPhoenix | any suggestions? |
| 00:07.20 | roe | in my opinion one should *never* use webmin |
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| 00:07.47 | EvilPhoenix | that's why i'm here asking if there are any alternatives |
| 00:07.50 | EvilPhoenix | :P |
| 00:07.56 | babilen | !free whcp |
| 00:07.56 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig>, <ispCP Omega> and <RavenCore>. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 00:08.34 | babilen | EvilPhoenix: Ask dpkg about them, e.g.: /msg dpkg ISPConfig |
| 00:09.19 | EvilPhoenix | will do. now for the ultimate question. Which would you use, and which is closest to what webmin does? |
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| 00:12.52 | babilen | EvilPhoenix: I would use "ssh" ;) -- Sorry can't comment on their merits as I've never used any of them. |
| 00:13.01 | EvilPhoenix | :P |
| 00:13.32 | wolfric | what program is "mail" normally? sendmail? |
| 00:13.45 | daemonkeeper | themill: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/321847/ you call this a scary warning? e.g. compared to http://paste.pocoo.org/show/321848/ |
| 00:13.46 | wolfric | when you normally type mail. what would you use to install it with pat-get |
| 00:14.20 | jelly-home | wolfric: bsd-mailx |
| 00:14.23 | EmleyMoor | wolfric: Look at mailx and see if it's what you mean |
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| 00:14.29 | EmleyMoor | Ah :-) |
| 00:15.15 | jelly-home | judd: whatprovides mailx |
| 00:15.30 | judd | Package mailx in lenny/i386 is provided by: bsd-mailx, heirloom-mailx, mailutils. mailx is also a real package. |
| 00:15.52 | themill | daemonkeeper: *shrug* wfm. Feel free to suggest alternate wording if you want. /msg dpkg reportbug. |
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| 00:17.16 | jelly-home | "WARNING:" is scary! |
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| 00:19.22 | rcbarnes | Am I interpreting the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ correctly if I determine that running a squeeze system means fewer (known) bugs than lenny now? |
| 00:19.37 | wolfric | ok this is strange...http://pastebin.com/AecAUu6z why would debian put sudo in the list of things to autoremove |
| 00:20.29 | wolfric | i thought sudo was installed from the start, not as a dependency? |
| 00:20.46 | daemonkeeper | You may mix Debian with Ubuntu |
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| 00:21.46 | jelly-home | rcbarnes: fewer RC severities bugs; not necessarily fewer bugs with the package set you're going to use on you installation |
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| 00:22.11 | daemonkeeper | themill: It works for me as well, that isn't my point. *I* know about the risk of unsigned packages, so I guess you do as well. All I meant was to sensibilize users whom do NOT know about the issue of unsigned packages, and I believe you won't achieve that by providing a "type Y to continue" warning noone every reads. |
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| 00:23.11 | jelly-home | daemonkeeper: oh dear, if you force me to type Yes, do as I say to install an unsigned package I'm going to find your place of residence and TP it in person |
| 00:24.03 | themill | wolfric: sudo is not part of the default install all -- it's quite feasible it could be autoremoved like that. |
| 00:24.05 | daemonkeeper | Either that, or you start signing your packages. |
| 00:24.17 | daemonkeeper | (and import your key on that machine) |
| 00:24.53 | jelly-home | no, TPing is the answer |
| 00:25.02 | daemonkeeper | heh |
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| 00:36.24 | cpf_ | Hi, I'm about to upgrade a lenny box to squeeze, but too much dependencies can't be resolved and a lot of software will be removed, is there a way I can prevent this? |
| 00:36.46 | daemonkeeper | Do you use out-of-tree repositories? |
| 00:36.53 | thewanderer1 | cpf_: use apt-get instead of aptitude |
| 00:37.36 | cpf_ | thewanderer1, Hah, nice, thanks... |
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| 00:39.21 | stew | cpf_: you should be following chapter 4 of the squeeze release notes |
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| 00:41.17 | dvs | Hmmm... Squeeze has release notes yet it's not released. Chicken and egg! ;-) |
| 00:41.52 | daemonkeeper | http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes |
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| 00:55.35 | aborticide | does debian have a liveCD equivalent i can install on a usb stick? |
| 00:56.05 | aborticide | keep getting the error: Can't mount root filesystem, boot has failed, sleeping forever , in ubnutu, fedora, and others |
| 00:56.09 | aborticide | would like to try debian |
| 00:56.23 | aborticide | checked the ISOs, laptop lenovo w510, xf86_64 |
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| 00:59.01 | jeremym | http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=debian+live+cd |
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| 01:01.26 | jelly-home | !usb install |
| 01:01.27 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 01:01.57 | jelly-home | oh... misread the question, sorry |
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| 01:08.34 | kingsley | How would you determine the name of the library indicated by passing "gfortran" to ld? |
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| 01:10.20 | aborticide | jelly-home i want to install it ON a stick, not FROM a stick |
| 01:10.27 | aborticide | from windows7 into a usb stick |
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| 01:12.55 | daemonkeeper | Assuming your PC supports booting from USB devices, this isn't probably such a big deal, I'd assume. |
| 01:13.45 | daemonkeeper | Since you can threat it like a regular hard disk, or does someone doubt that (e.g. partitioning, grub)? |
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| 01:14.59 | jordanm | I use grub on my knoppix usb stick. isolinux should not be required |
| 01:16.15 | daemonkeeper | So aborticide, just go on. Might work out of the box |
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| 01:38.18 | hiexpo | ? what will the minimal iso install |
| 01:38.35 | hiexpo | just net ? |
| 01:38.56 | dvs | hiexpo: base nsystem |
| 01:39.09 | dvs | *system |
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| 01:40.36 | hiexpo | dvs, so will it have a desktop or is it all term |
| 01:41.26 | dvs | hiexpo: no, it will enable you to install everything else over the Internet. |
| 01:41.43 | hiexpo | oh ok |
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| 01:43.25 | Jezek | hi im getting segmentation faults when using the php binary from the dotdeb library |
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| 01:44.47 | ymas | Jezek: solution: use the official packages. |
| 01:44.59 | Jezek | well |
| 01:45.02 | Jezek | they arent at 5.3 yet |
| 01:45.05 | Jezek | and i need php 5.3 |
| 01:45.30 | dvs | !nss |
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| 01:47.03 | abrotman | Jezek: dotdeb is not supported here .. they're usually broken |
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| 01:47.09 | VeGeTa-X | I am having issues installing vmwaretools on a debian 5 |
| 01:47.11 | Jezek | lol |
| 01:47.54 | abrotman | not really funny |
| 01:47.57 | VeGeTa-X | II am up too the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? /usr/src/linux/include |
| 01:48.11 | VeGeTa-X | but my directory is empty |
| 01:48.26 | VeGeTa-X | and their is also nothing on /usr/src |
| 01:48.32 | VeGeTa-X | has anyone seen this before? |
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| 01:49.38 | dvs | VeGeTa-X: linux should be a symlink to somewhere else |
| 01:49.49 | abrotman | VeGeTa-X: uname -r says what ? |
| 01:50.38 | VeGeTa-X | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 01:50.58 | VeGeTa-X | ok supose to link to a certain directory |
| 01:51.07 | VeGeTa-X | do you know what is the path? |
| 01:51.35 | VeGeTa-X | I found something like that |
| 01:51.36 | abrotman | did you install the linux-headers pacakge? |
| 01:51.38 | VeGeTa-X | on the net |
| 01:51.39 | VeGeTa-X | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.39 | VeGeTa-X | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.52 | VeGeTa-X | nope I guess I need that |
| 01:52.37 | abrotman | that's not right |
| 01:52.48 | abrotman | it's very wrong actually |
| 01:52.53 | VeGeTa-X | ok |
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| 01:53.16 | VeGeTa-X | their are a few linux headers to pick from when I do a apt-get install linux header |
| 01:53.17 | abrotman | did you install the linux-headers pacakge? |
| 01:53.24 | abrotman | so pick the one for your kernel |
| 01:53.57 | VeGeTa-X | ok this is guest OS running on vmware 2 |
| 01:54.03 | abrotman | and? |
| 01:54.44 | VeGeTa-X | so I will chose linux headers-2.6.26-2-686 2.6.26-26lenny 1 |
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| 01:54.58 | VeGeTa-X | vmware 2 host is windows 2003 |
| 01:55.02 | VeGeTa-X | debian is the guest |
| 01:55.15 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 01:56.11 | VeGeTa-X | whats the differnece between linux headers-2.6.26-2-686 2.6.26-26lenny 1and linux headers-2.6.26-2-686-bigmen 2.6.26-26lenny 1 |
| 01:56.54 | VeGeTa-X | what does bigmen stand for? |
| 01:57.00 | abrotman | is that your kernel? |
| 01:57.38 | jelly-home | !bigmem |
| 01:57.38 | dpkg | For i386, -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead). Alternatively, if you have an <amd64> processor, use an amd64 kernel which doesn't need bigmem. |
| 01:58.04 | VeGeTa-X | ok thx dpkg |
| 01:58.17 | jelly-home | VeGeTa-X: give it a !botsnack |
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| 01:59.48 | VeGeTa-X | !botsnack |
| 01:59.49 | dpkg | VeGeTa-X: thanks |
| 02:00.21 | VeGeTa-X | good bot now roll over =) |
| 02:00.27 | VeGeTa-X | hehehe |
| 02:01.34 | VeGeTa-X | bad humor I know |
| 02:01.49 | jelly-home | !roll over |
| 02:01.49 | dpkg | rolls over |
| 02:02.07 | beardy | !snack |
| 02:02.07 | dpkg | Yess, pleaaaaaaaase |
| 02:03.17 | VeGeTa-X | !roll over |
| 02:03.17 | dpkg | rolls over |
| 02:03.28 | VeGeTa-X | lol cute |
| 02:03.52 | VeGeTa-X | ok install linux headers-2.6.26-2-686 2.6.26-26lenny 1 |
| 02:04.10 | VeGeTa-X | now I see files in /usr/src |
| 02:04.16 | tomkap | !botsnak |
| 02:04.37 | VeGeTa-X | do I point my vmware installation to /usr/src now |
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| 02:07.28 | VeGeTa-X | hey abrotman whats the next step? |
| 02:09.16 | abrotman | try to run the install again |
| 02:09.42 | VeGeTa-X | ok |
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| 02:09.51 | man_in_ltop | waves |
| 02:10.07 | man_in_ltop | anyone know if there's a way to make evince's dual mode start pages on the left instead of the right? |
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| 02:19.40 | VeGeTa-X | it work thx abrotman |
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| 02:20.02 | VeGeTa-X | still learning debian |
| 02:20.27 | VeGeTa-X | linux pretty much |
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| 02:33.59 | VeGeTa-X | so can anyone recommed any tips for me learning linux |
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| 02:34.19 | VeGeTa-X | I am watching cbtlinux debian |
| 02:34.29 | VeGeTa-X | and skimming thru a few books |
| 02:34.38 | VeGeTa-X | playing with ubuntu and debian |
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| 02:35.42 | amphi | there used to be an 'intro to linux' book at tldp.org |
| 02:35.51 | amphi | the debian reference is useful |
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| 02:36.49 | beardy | !reference |
| 02:36.49 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
| 02:37.04 | karlpinc | !overview |
| 02:37.04 | dpkg | Debian stable does not always include all the software people need or want so there is much official, semi-official, and non-official software available for stable. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware . Ask me about <security>, <kmuto>, <installer firmware>, <backports>, <volatile>, <multimedia>, <non-free>, <contrib>, <emdebian>, <debian-live>. See also <grounding>, <social contract>. |
| 02:37.18 | beardy | !grounding |
| 02:37.18 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on the <debian-user> mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <overview>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial> (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference). |
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| 02:48.10 | KaV | hello fellows general persistent question.. i generated a casper-rw file on my usb do i have to change anything to load that file on the kernel line BOOT=casper ? |
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| 02:52.50 | access_d | is there a place to ask when a new released stable version of something will get into sid or squeeze (if at all), or is this the best place? |
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| 02:54.40 | karlpinc | access_d: You have something specific in mind? |
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| 02:55.52 | access_d | karlpinc: yeah, just noticed xfce announced 4.8 (stable) has been released today. how long would that take to get into debian? (obviously you can just download it from their site and install it yourself, but y'know.) :) |
| 02:56.48 | access_d | and sorry if it IS in sid, and I just haven't checked yet. last thing I saw on debian-xfce was that 4.6.2 was in sid and squeeze yet. |
| 02:58.02 | karlpinc | ,versions xfce |
| 02:58.03 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'xfce' was found in i386. |
| 02:59.44 | karlpinc | ,versions xfce4 |
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| 02:59.45 | judd | Package xfce4 on i386 -- etch: 4.3.99.2; etch-backports: 4.4.2~bpo40+2; lenny: 4.4.2.1; lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1; sid: 4.6.2; squeeze: 4.6.2 |
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| 03:00.37 | karlpinc | access_d: Things are slow getting into sid because people are busy releaseing squeeze. Note that sid is not a release. You probably want backports.debian.org. |
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| 03:02.18 | karlpinc | access_d: You email the people responsible for the package, or watch their mailing list. See packages.debian.org for xfce4 and see who the mainteners are. (The probably don't want to be bugged with questions like when will it be ready.) |
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| 03:03.34 | access_d | yeah that's fine. I wasn't planning on emailing anyone.. that's why I asked here. it's no biggie really, just wondering. |
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| 03:04.38 | karlpinc | access_d: There are more general mailing lists that might also give you a clue, but I don't know enough to say. |
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| 03:05.13 | karlpinc | access_d: If you don't know about backports you want to read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware |
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| 03:06.18 | access_d | thanks for the link. |
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| 03:14.31 | tonytraductor | for some reason completely unfathomable to me, I have 21gb of crap in /tmp on my / partition. Is it safe to simply delete everything in there? Why would there be so much crap in there? this machine is all of a week old. |
| 03:14.50 | tonytraductor | oh, this is lenny on amd64 |
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| 03:16.02 | tonytraductor | I did a df -h and it told me I only had 7gb available of a 35gb / , and I was like WTF? So I did a du -hx /, and it said 21gb o stuff in /tmp, and, again, I was like WTF? |
| 03:16.51 | tonytraductor | I have about the same exact software installed on another machine here (lenny, again, but on x86), and it has only 7gb of a 20gb / filled, so, didn't make sense for / to be so full here. |
| 03:17.16 | tonytraductor | so, I suppose I'm going to have to figure out what's generating so much stuff in /tmp |
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| 03:17.55 | karlpinc | tonytraductor: Anything in /tmp can be removed. See also the tmpreaper package. (Of course you can only remove it in single user mode because some running program might be using it.) Yes. Figure out why it's there. Always best to know what's going on. |
| 03:18.22 | karlpinc | tonytraductor: FYI. See below |
| 03:18.25 | karlpinc | !fhs |
| 03:18.25 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier". |
| 03:19.10 | tonytraductor | ok, thanks |
| 03:20.37 | tonytraductor | how do I figure out what's creating all the tmp files in there? |
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| 03:21.17 | tonytraductor | seems like most of what's in there is files of c. 300M that look like magick-XX16CoM7 |
| 03:21.38 | tonytraductor | does this having something to do with ImageMagick, and some failed OCR attempts I did today with ocrad, perhaps? |
| 03:22.55 | tonytraductor | aha! looks like convert does something that files /tmp with such files...yes |
| 03:22.59 | tonytraductor | hmmm |
| 03:23.11 | karlpinc | tonytraductor: Possibly. See "man file". |
| 03:23.11 | tonytraductor | good thing I made myself a HUGE / partition! |
| 03:24.18 | karlpinc | tonytraductor: It's a bug if the program leaves files laying around in /tmp. You could report it. |
| 03:24.42 | tonytraductor | weird |
| 03:24.42 | tonytraductor | :/tmp$ file magick-XX16CoM7 |
| 03:24.44 | tonytraductor | magick-XX16CoM7: Claris clip art? |
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| 03:25.08 | tonytraductor | but, since I'm not running convert at the moment, I'm sure I can delete that stuff without hosing anything |
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| 03:25.55 | karlpinc | tonytraductor: If 'file' is not working right you can tell them too. (It may or may not be fixable, although file always seems to get it right somehow so I suppose it is fixable.) |
| 03:27.10 | tonytraductor | well, it just seems file thinks it's clip-art...that just tells me it's some image file. |
| 03:27.42 | tonytraductor | I did some googling of magick-* /tmp and found someone reporting a bug about convert (ImageMagick) filling /tmp up with such things. |
| 03:28.44 | tonytraductor | I was playing with textripper, tesseract, ocrad, and gocr today (sadly, they're all crap). Textripper, I know, was using convert. Possibly some of the others there were, too, for converting images in the OCR process |
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| 03:30.49 | tonytraductor | did rm -rf magick-*, and now I have 30gb free only 5gb used on / much better. |
| 03:31.06 | tonytraductor | see, that's a HUGE / partition, so, imagine my dismay at seeing it 80% full. |
| 03:32.22 | tonytraductor | glad I stopped trying to OCR stuff when I did |
| 03:32.55 | karlpinc | tonytraductor: If you report it now there's still time to get it fixed for squeeze. (Depending on how severe they think this is.) |
| 03:34.59 | tonytraductor | well, I'm not sure precisely where the problem is...it it's in the script textripper, in ocrad, gocr, tesseract...I'd have to determine that before reporting anything, no? |
| 03:35.36 | tonytraductor | and textripper is not ours (ie. not in repos, but 3rd party script) |
| 03:35.49 | karlpinc | tonytraductor: Yes. (It should not be too hard. Just check /tmp after each step.) Note that /tmp files may not go away until the running process terminates. |
| 03:36.20 | tonytraductor | then again, what I googled said convert was the culprit. I'm going to go read that (only perused it fast enough to see "convert", really) |
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| 03:38.28 | karlpinc | !tell tonytraductor about reportbug |
| 03:38.56 | tonytraductor | yeah, I may be partially to blame, too, since I killed a few OCR attempts that were taking forever, manually. Possibly they left tmp files that would have been deleted had the processes terminated normally. |
| 03:38.58 | Bop | anyone with debian and testing ? i just lost keyboard typing aceleration on xfce , wont work , any help ? |
| 03:39.04 | tonytraductor | was trying to OCR a 100 page pdf file. |
| 03:40.35 | tonytraductor | oh, I have reportbug. Oddly, I've never reported a bug |
| 03:40.54 | karlpinc | tonytraductor: Killing processes would do it. |
| 03:40.54 | tonytraductor | I imagine, were this really a bug, it would have been caught by now, no? considering this is lenny |
| 03:41.01 | tonytraductor | yeah, probably all my fault |
| 03:41.05 | karlpinc | tonytraductor: You never know. |
| 03:42.11 | tonytraductor | I've been itching to find/replace lenny>squeeze in my sources.list and have a go...at least on my second box, if not my main production machine |
| 03:43.12 | karlpinc | tonytraductor: You could help test the upgrade instructions in the squeeze releases notes. :) |
| 03:43.50 | karlpinc | tonytraductor: (Always read and follow the release notes to upgrade.) |
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| 03:59.23 | tonytraductor | hold the phone...Squeeze was released as stable 3 days ago? How did I not see this news? |
| 04:00.31 | tonytraductor | or am I misinterpreting "Debian Installer 6.0 Release Candidate 1 published" |
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| 04:01.54 | tonytraductor | oh yeah...the Getting Debian page is still promoting 5.0.7 (lenny)... |
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| 04:07.14 | jlewis | what package contains the section 3 man pages for c standard library functions? |
| 04:09.46 | tonytraductor | I should remove anything from backports first, huh |
| 04:12.33 | tonytraductor | wait...the release notes say "If any of the lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list refer to 'stable', you are effectively already 'using' squeeze." All mine say lenny, but still, isn't squeeze still 'testing'? |
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| 04:41.33 | Third3ye | Hey there -- having a hard time getting the calendar server (caldav, or darwin calendar server) to enable SSL -- when disabling normal HTTP (unencrypted) calendarserver init won't even start -- it kills it self after stating that the certs are bad -- the one I've written and the Debian snakeoil cert |
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| 04:45.09 | jmarsden | jlewis: manpages-dev |
| 04:45.14 | jmarsden | Oops, he left. |
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| 04:47.43 | Bop | any ideia when xfce will came to squeeze ? |
| 04:47.53 | Bop | ,versions xfce4 |
| 04:47.53 | judd | Package xfce4 on i386 -- etch: 4.3.99.2; etch-backports: 4.4.2~bpo40+2; lenny: 4.4.2.1; lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1; sid: 4.6.2; squeeze: 4.6.2 |
| 04:48.10 | Bop | i mean |
| 04:48.19 | Bop | xfce 4.8 , out today |
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| 04:49.07 | man_in_ltop | if it's out today then it won't be in squeeze until someone packages it and it gets into sid |
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| 04:52.13 | johnc | Hey anyone have any luck installing debian i386 5.0.7 using a USB stick onto a Samsung netbook? |
| 04:52.30 | Bop | man_in_ltop, can take a few days, right |
| 04:52.33 | karlpinc | Bop: But you don't want it in squeeze. You want it from backports.debian.org. |
| 04:52.34 | phorce1 | Bop: I don't keep track of how close we are to release but if squeeze is in deep freeze now then it will not get 4.8 unkess someone backports it from sid some time afetr release |
| 04:52.35 | johnc | (or just installed using a USB stick onto a netbook?) |
| 04:53.00 | man_in_ltop | oh yeah, that's right. squeeze is frozone |
| 04:53.03 | man_in_ltop | *frozen |
| 04:53.16 | karlpinc | johnc: Ask your question. |
| 04:53.16 | Bop | squeeze is in deep freeze ? :o |
| 04:53.26 | Bop | :s |
| 04:53.33 | karlpinc | Bop: Yes. It's very nearly stable. |
| 04:53.52 | johnc | I'd like to install using a USB stick onto my Samsung netbook |
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| 04:54.07 | karlpinc | !tell johnc about ask |
| 04:54.20 | Third3ye | Does caldav need any special user permissions set for it to open files in /etc/ssl/private and /etc/ssl/certs? |
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| 04:54.33 | karlpinc | johnc: Did you try following the instructions in the installation guide? |
| 04:54.43 | Third3ye | Cause it quits on error stating 2011-01-17 05:38:18+0100 [-] [caldav-8080] 'SSL Private key does not exist: /etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem' |
| 04:54.48 | Third3ye | Which is bullplop |
| 04:55.00 | phorce1 | Bop: the are "shades of frozen" for a release. During the initial freeze no new packages but sometimes new versions of existing packages get in (usually for security fixes that aren't going into the earlier version). During deep freeze, no new releases, period. |
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| 04:57.27 | Bop | ok phorce1 thanks for explanation |
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| 05:03.53 | smw | how do you add a local directory as a repository? The repo is ripped strait from an install cd. |
| 05:05.39 | phorce1 | smw: if it's in the correct format just use a file:/// uri rather than http:/// or ftp:/// |
| 05:06.13 | smw | phorce1, thanks |
| 05:07.43 | phorce1 | smw: here's a line from my sources.list on the machine at home that I use to keep a portable mirror |
| 05:07.50 | phorce1 | smw: deb file:/mirror/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
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| 05:11.31 | phorce1 | (which reminds me ... need to update the mirror so I can grab a copy for the office when I go to the house tomorrow) |
| 05:11.51 | smw | phorce1, how can I make apt-get update ignore missing keys? |
| 05:13.21 | smw | phorce1, I am dealing with a stupid distro that is just a selection of packages (including custom ones) and merge it into my current one. |
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| 05:14.01 | phorce1 | theres an infobot factoid about the keys but i'll be darned if I can remember what it is |
| 05:14.31 | smw | phorce1, The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 03627ADEF8F15267 |
| 05:15.03 | smw | can I use that hex to download the gpg key from a keyserver? (assuming it is in a public key server) |
| 05:15.06 | jmarsden | Third3ye: Have you checked the permissions on /etc/ssl/private/ as well as those of the file itself? |
| 05:15.22 | Third3ye | Let's do that :P |
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| 05:15.53 | jmarsden | smw: Yes: something like gpg --keyserver keyserver.example.com --recv-keys 03627ADEF8F15267 |
| 05:16.03 | jmarsden | To grab the key. |
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| 05:17.27 | jmarsden | smw: Then export they key, and then something like apt-key add FILENAME # where filename is the file containing the exported key. |
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| 05:17.47 | smw | jmarsden, yeah, I can't find the key :-\ |
| 05:17.51 | phorce1 | or apt-get install debian-keyring |
| 05:18.06 | smw | phorce1, it is not the debian keyring. |
| 05:18.26 | smw | It is a custom distro with extra packages in the install cd. |
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| 05:19.02 | phorce1 | then whay are you asking for help in #debian? |
| 05:19.09 | phorce1 | s/whay/why/ |
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| 05:19.30 | smw | phorce1, because the plan is to integrate it into a current installation |
| 05:19.40 | Third3ye | jmarsden: -rw-r----- 1 root root 887 17 jan. 05:51 /etc/ssl/private/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem |
| 05:19.55 | jmarsden | Third3ye: I think that answers your question :) |
| 05:20.06 | smw | phorce1, I have the preceed file with the list of custom packages, I have the repo, I should just be able to install the packages no problem :-\. |
| 05:20.18 | Third3ye | It doesn't actually :P isn't it supposed to be able to access it if it's owned by root? |
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| 05:20.40 | smw | phorce1, it is more of a custom cd than a full distro. |
| 05:21.16 | jmarsden | -rw-r----- means the owner has read and write and the group has read. So the user root has read/write access, and the group root has read only. The last 3 dashes mean that other people have NO access at all to it. |
| 05:21.47 | jmarsden | !tell Third3ye about permissions |
| 05:22.30 | Third3ye | Yeah, so I set it so that anybody could read it |
| 05:22.31 | Third3ye | 644 |
| 05:22.36 | Third3ye | But no cigar :/ |
| 05:22.46 | phorce1 | smw: you need to poke the distributor for a copy of the public key then |
| 05:23.08 | smw | phorce1, it seems like I would not need that... |
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| 05:23.23 | smw | phorce1, s/would/should/ |
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| 05:24.02 | jmarsden | Third3ye: You really need to read that info, and my first comment... especially the " /etc/ssl/private/ as well as" part! Did you also change the perms on the directory? |
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| 05:24.27 | jmarsden | BTW changing the perms on that directory could be considered insecure... |
| 05:24.30 | Third3ye | But isn't that a security risk? |
| 05:24.34 | Third3ye | :P |
| 05:24.38 | smw | phorce1, I am going to give up and do the install of packages by hand (dpkg). Thanks for the help. |
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| 05:24.46 | riot | hi |
| 05:24.48 | Third3ye | My point exactly... I don't want to open a hole to solve a problem |
| 05:25.11 | Third3ye | What I could do is just put the SSL certs in the caldav directory |
| 05:25.17 | jmarsden | Apparently caldav as configured on your machine expects to be started as root. Maybe it reads the file and then gives up its root prives and becomes a more normal user? |
| 05:25.59 | riot | mhmhm, problem with tz here: i've got chrony successfully synchronizing my hwclock, but the timezone-conversion doesn't seem to work. date says CET but it actually displays UTC-time :/ |
| 05:26.23 | phorce1 | smw: as far as I know you can't make it ignore the missing key. You just need to poke at different public servers or dig around the distro site to find it |
| 05:27.25 | smw | phorce1, the distro does not have a site... (long story) |
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| 05:27.49 | phorce1 | smw: locate the creator and use a large stick |
| 05:28.13 | phorce1 | smw: apply liberally to to bridge of nose |
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| 05:29.29 | smw | phorce1, I would love to do that, but the dpkg plan would allow me to finish sooner ;-) |
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| 05:30.15 | smw | phorce1, unless, could I extract the key from the install cd? It is in standard debian installer format. |
| 05:30.18 | phorce1 | smw: well, if put *THAT* way ... ;-) |
| 05:31.11 | phorce1 | smw: that would be a "mount the cd and poke around" question (eg. *I* have no clue) |
| 05:31.24 | smw | phorce1, this is what happens when they make something "idiot proof" |
| 05:31.40 | smw | phorce1, this is made for easy install, but I want it on amazon ec2 |
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| 05:33.25 | man_in_ltop | anyone know of a cli tool that can remove pages from pdf files? |
| 05:34.04 | Hydroxide | man_in_ltop: pdftk |
| 05:34.31 | man_in_ltop | ew, java |
| 05:34.46 | Hydroxide | man_in_ltop: compiled as native code, though :) |
| 05:34.50 | man_in_ltop | heh ok |
| 05:34.54 | Hydroxide | man_in_ltop: I didn't even realize it was java until just now, and I've used it before |
| 05:34.59 | Hydroxide | it's normal cli |
| 05:35.41 | Hydroxide | man_in_ltop: or, at least, it's native code if you get it from debian's package. no idea about upstream (probably they haven't tried GCJ) |
| 05:35.50 | man_in_ltop | nods |
| 05:35.53 | man_in_ltop | aptitude is my friend |
| 05:35.59 | Hydroxide | nods :) |
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| 05:36.25 | Hydroxide | the syntax was a little atypical, which might be because of the java origin, but so are lots of normal unix tools |
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| 05:36.45 | Hydroxide | tar is a weird one :) |
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| 05:39.23 | man_in_ltop | hehe yeah |
| 05:39.31 | man_in_ltop | ok, it's asking me for a password |
| 05:39.38 | man_in_ltop | which is interesting |
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| 05:40.20 | man_in_ltop | pdfshuffler didn't ask for a password |
| 05:40.31 | man_in_ltop | then again, that does an import/export thing |
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| 05:48.21 | man_in_ltop | so are there any other tools? |
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| 05:51.46 | karlpinc | man_in_ltop: man_in_ltop You could use pdf2ps and go from there. |
| 05:52.12 | man_in_ltop | but i'd lose hyperlinks that way |
| 05:52.53 | karlpinc | man_in_ltop: Dunno. You might find an answer using debtags. |
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| 06:04.15 | man_in_ltop | well pdfshuffler does what i want, but veeerrrry slooooooowwwwly |
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| 06:10.03 | Third3ye | So the Debian developers have prepared a FreeBSD kernel that's compatible with Debian it self? |
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| 06:10.36 | man_in_ltop | that doesn't sound right to me |
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| 06:10.53 | jbAU | anyone have any ideas on why cyrus 2.2 imapd has gone crazy? getting insane imapd processor usage |
| 06:10.58 | man_in_ltop | more likely it's debian packages compiled for a freebsd kernel |
| 06:12.25 | man_in_ltop | sigh, 500+ pages going slower still |
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| 06:16.30 | man_in_ltop | yay, it's done now |
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| 06:17.46 | Third3ye | man_in_ltop: Indoubedebly |
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| 06:24.12 | man_in_ltop | hmm |
| 06:24.25 | jbAU | fixed my cyrus problem - removed deliver.db |
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| 06:31.27 | Third3ye | is there a curses based xml editor in the lenny repository? I have to edit a myriad of XML/PLIST files and I have to do it via ssh :p |
| 06:31.42 | man_in_ltop | ssh -X not an option? |
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| 06:34.43 | Third3ye | man_in_ltop: I'm using freenx :3 |
| 06:34.52 | Third3ye | But I want to be able to edit XML files on-the-fly via term |
| 06:34.53 | man_in_ltop | point being? |
| 06:35.06 | Third3ye | Well ssh -X would be redundant |
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| 06:35.33 | man_in_ltop | if you say so |
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| 06:35.44 | Third3ye | o.o |
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| 06:36.01 | Third3ye | Well I want to use term, curses... not GTK+ or QT whatever, it's a bloody server :P |
| 06:36.38 | man_in_ltop | vim/emacs? :) |
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| 06:36.55 | man_in_ltop | emacs probably has a nice xml editor |
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| 06:39.40 | bbd | sudo date -s "Jan 17 08:38:36" |
| 06:40.28 | man_in_ltop | bah |
| 06:40.39 | man_in_ltop | i have multiple pdfs from the same source |
| 06:40.44 | man_in_ltop | and this ONE is encrypted |
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| 06:40.49 | man_in_ltop | so pdfshuffler won't export it |
| 06:41.22 | man_in_ltop | i guess the real solution is to patch evince so i can view dual pages left-first instead of right-first |
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| 06:45.42 | linux_probe | <richiefrich> be like you man_in_shack <richiefrich> tell him he needs to be in your pants |
| 06:47.32 | jimmybgood | man_in_ltop: qpdf decrypts pdfs |
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| 06:48.29 | Third3ye | Ok, so I'm trying to get ssh -X to work but X won't start. I get this error: Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding. |
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| 06:49.22 | Third3ye | tried using the -Y option but that didn't work either |
| 06:49.57 | Third3ye | without -Y I get this error as well: Warning: untrusted X11 forwarding setup failed: xauth key data not generated |
| 06:50.00 | man_in_ltop | ty jimmybgood |
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| 06:57.03 | jmarsden | Third3ye: is xauth installed on the remote machine? Why do you need X for editing text files anyway? Worst case, why not just scp the files to your workstation, edit them to your heart's content, and scp them back again when you are done? |
| 06:57.36 | Third3ye | Good question, and one I will answer through interpretive dance |
| 06:58.14 | jmarsden | thought that was three questions, and wonders which one the dance will answer... |
| 06:59.40 | Third3ye | xauth is installed *kicks the Vase off the cubord* I don't need X per say, unless I'm actually inside the building and don't wanna sit in front of the server all day *breaks a window* and using scp is a good enough alternative, but to me it seems a bit excessive... log in to ssh, scp the file, edito the file, and then scp the file back. Why not just log in, change it, and be done with it? |
| 06:59.46 | Third3ye | *breaks the Van Gogh* |
| 07:00.00 | Third3ye | I was also responsible for the second "This is your brain on drugs" commercial |
| 07:00.48 | jmarsden | Third3ye: You can also use Emacs TRAMP mode to avoid actually having to type the two scp commands, if you prefer, it can do remote file editing for you... |
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| 07:01.30 | Third3ye | After having used Linux on and off since I was a teen, i've never actually gotten used to using emacs :P |
| 07:01.55 | Third3ye | or vi for that matter :S |
| 07:02.56 | jmarsden | If you work on servers with any regularity, learning one or both of emacs and vi is probably something to add to your 2011 "New Years Resolutions" :) |
| 07:03.06 | Third3ye | :P |
| 07:03.11 | Third3ye | Well I'm quite fond of nano |
| 07:03.47 | Third3ye | Though people say it's a step back... I have however gotten the hang of the keyboard shortcuts in it and things usually fly by.. unless there is some inline editing that needs to be done |
| 07:03.58 | phorce1 | joe with nice wordstar keybindings |
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| 07:04.42 | jmarsden | Well, if you want to use nano on the file and nano is installed on the server, you can ssh you@server.example.com nano -w /path/to/file from your workstation, and off you go... right? No X involved at all. |
| 07:06.10 | Third3ye | Right... :/ buut as much as I love my little nano it can be a bit... strenous on big XML files |
| 07:06.22 | Third3ye | So I might have to take up emacs.. |
| 07:06.40 | jimmybgood | Third3ye: ...and you're sure X forwarding is allowed on the remote? |
| 07:07.01 | Third3ye | Well are there any special ports, jimmybgood? |
| 07:07.17 | Third3ye | Ok, this is funny... |
| 07:07.23 | Third3ye | I started emacs via my ssh session |
| 07:07.28 | Third3ye | Suddenly it starts emacs in X |
| 07:07.29 | Third3ye | like WTF |
| 07:07.49 | phorce1 | Third3ye: http://joe-editor.sourceforge.net/ <---- good syntax highlighting and quite portable across linux distros |
| 07:08.00 | jimmybgood | Third3ye: I mean the remote ssh server, is it configured to allow X forwarding - I think the debian default is no |
| 07:08.27 | Third3ye | jimmybgood: in /etc/ssh/sshd_config? Yeah, it had X11Forwarding set to no.. so I set it to yes |
| 07:09.17 | jimmybgood | Third3ye: and you restarted it? |
| 07:09.31 | Third3ye | Yeah |
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| 07:10.33 | jmarsden | Third3ye: Yes, it does if there is a DISPLAY variable set that it can use. TO avoid that do emacs -nw filename or DISPLAY="" emacs filename |
| 07:10.59 | Third3ye | But I'm just plum confused now on what to do |
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| 07:11.17 | Third3ye | X won't start on ssh init, I can't start X directly using startx since users aren't allowed to do so |
| 07:11.33 | Third3ye | Is there a way to make ssh open the current GDM session? |
| 07:11.33 | jmarsden | Why are you confused? You now have a GUI editor you can use to edit that file, so... edit it :) |
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| 07:13.41 | jmarsden | Third3ye: On a server there wouldn't *be* a GDM session, there wouldn't be an X display server, would there? |
| 07:14.04 | phorce1 | do your ssh'ing from an xterm inside your gui session. Then you'll already have an active screen: for programs to attach to |
| 07:14.12 | man_in_ltop | i wonder how much cpu is required decrypting pdfs on the fly |
| 07:14.32 | Third3ye | jmarsden: ofc there "shouldn"t be a GDM session, but I'm experimenting... and it's a bit of a compromise.. it's got office tools and stuff installed cause it might have to be used in the office at some point for menial taks |
| 07:14.35 | Third3ye | tasks* |
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| 07:15.20 | jmarsden | So if you want to do GUi session takeover, use VNC server or similar. But to edit the file... just emacs /you@server.example.com:/path/to/file and actually edit it :) |
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| 07:16.01 | Third3ye | jmarsden: in other words I'll have to reinstall at some point |
| 07:16.11 | Third3ye | But untill then I need to get my facts straight |
| 07:16.15 | Third3ye | It's complicated -.-;; |
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| 07:22.32 | bvs | Third3ye, use www.nomachine.com for remote work instead of vnc |
| 07:22.49 | bvs | just a tip |
| 07:23.01 | Third3ye | Well thanks bvs :) I already have it installed though |
| 07:23.12 | Third3ye | and it can have a max of 2 users connected simultaniously |
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| 07:23.42 | Third3ye | so if I could get ssh -X to work it would be the best solution |
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| 07:29.09 | Third3ye | Well X does work over SSH apparently |
| 07:29.20 | Third3ye | the basic Xorg apps prove that (like for instance xcalc) |
| 07:29.30 | Third3ye | but enlightenment_remote refuses to work |
| 07:32.01 | man_in_ltop | probably because it expects a particular $DISPLAY |
| 07:32.10 | man_in_ltop | or something like that |
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| 07:35.41 | man_in_ltop | hmm |
| 07:35.56 | man_in_ltop | i wonder if there's a tool that can increase the compression on images in pdfs |
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| 07:37.43 | Third3ye | lol |
| 07:37.51 | Third3ye | sdm ws kind of strange... |
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| 07:38.41 | Third3ye | But it also went hella slow, atleast when compared to freenx |
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| 07:39.39 | Third3ye | But hey, I can open indevidual programs without having to open an entire desktop |
| 07:39.49 | Third3ye | Which means a whole crapload of vulnerabilities have just gone out the window ^^ |
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| 07:43.41 | huglester | Hello guys, if a package is broken in squeze where I can post so maybe it's get fixed? |
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| 07:48.03 | Dewi | huglester: each package has a buglist at bugs.debian.org |
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| 07:48.26 | huglester | thank you Dewi |
| 07:48.32 | huglester | but the package cacti does not work at all :( |
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| 07:53.09 | sep | huglester, i use that. in what way is it broken ? |
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| 07:53.57 | huglester | sep: strange. look what I got in poller logs: sh: -q: not found (newline) sh: -: not found |
| 07:54.37 | huglester | sep: and when I try to access it via /cacti - I only get the white page... I used to install from squezze cd (not upgraded) and then just upgraded to the latest release |
| 07:55.01 | sep | huglester, i use cacti-spine as poller. |
| 07:55.34 | sep | cacti 0.8.7g-1 |
| 07:55.58 | huglester | sep: but even if use spine... /cacti should load, even if poller is throwwing errors.. |
| 07:56.10 | huglester | thats strange :/ |
| 07:56.33 | sep | you have done the web based install on /cacti/install ? |
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| 07:58.06 | sep | yes /cacti should work |
| 07:58.30 | sep | you get anything in apache error logs ? |
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| 08:00.29 | huglester | sep: that is the problem, no errors, nothing.. just white page... |
| 08:01.08 | huglester | as I see there is no specific logs in cacti apache conf, so they should go to logs/apache2/errors.. but nothing there |
| 08:01.13 | sep | huglester, if you dont have any info in your cacti i would purge (even the database) and reinstall. i dont have that problem and i also run squeeze |
| 08:01.38 | huglester | let me try.. |
| 08:01.49 | sep | or increase verbosity somewhere. |
| 08:02.03 | sep | you have tested your sql user/pass ofcourse ? |
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| 08:02.53 | huglester | apt-get remove --purge cacti. removed.. not will try to reinstall |
| 08:02.54 | huglester | hm... no:/ I'll try now |
| 08:03.12 | huglester | but it is the GUI asking for administrative account, so I thout it would create itself.. wait :) |
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| 08:05.17 | sobersabre | hi. I want to setup a "watchdog" - something to monitor a service/status. |
| 08:05.39 | sobersabre | it's supposed to be local. what is "THE" way to do it ? |
| 08:05.41 | sep | huglester, if you want to use the plugin architecture you should read http://bugs.debian.org/406766 |
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| 08:08.58 | huglester | thanks sep, I'll take a look there too. never heard of it yet :) at least now /cacti does not even load.. so I have to play with smth. thanks sep, for tips. I'm playing now |
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| 08:09.36 | sep | sobersabre, monitoring services. sounds like nagios, perhaps munin if you want graphs. |
| 08:10.23 | sep | huglester, just ask if you need anything. and make sure you read the README.Debian.gz |
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| 08:11.12 | sep | huglester, also the access log can show hints to what goes on |
| 08:11.58 | huglester | sep: thanks. jsut foudn some logs going to var/log/apache2/; grep cacti * . seems the logs were going to some specific virtual hosts logs... I think I'll figure it now |
| 08:12.01 | huglester | thank you VERY MUCH |
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| 08:12.13 | sep | no problem |
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| 08:15.54 | huglester | sep: seems it was some permissiosn issue. now I've managed to install cacti via /cacti. let's see if graphs goes :) |
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| 08:55.03 | Zero_Dogg | Hi, has there been some change in policykit lately (sid & squeeze) that causes /usr/share/polkit-1 files not to be read? Consolekit is denying access to shutdown/reboot here, so xfce always prompts for sudo when attempting to shutdown or reboot |
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| 09:29.21 | so_solid_moo | Hi; I'm trying to install Squeeze on a KVM guest. I have the netcd and it doesn't boot - putting it in expert mode, the kernel gets as far as detecting the ATA devices and then stops - does anyone know if this issue is known? |
| 09:30.19 | EmleyMoor | I've not seen that problem - but will look |
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| 09:31.13 | so_solid_moo | EmleyMoor: it's amd64 if that makes any difference :S |
| 09:31.27 | EmleyMoor | No known issues with Debian as a guest |
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| 09:32.06 | EmleyMoor | Try doing the install with the -no-kvm switch |
| 09:32.12 | so_solid_moo | EmleyMoor: do you have a dmesg or something I could look at to see what's supposed to happen after scsi/ata? |
| 09:32.36 | so_solid_moo | EmleyMoor: how do you pass options like that? |
| 09:32.52 | EmleyMoor | On the kvm command line |
| 09:33.06 | so_solid_moo | oh, right, you don't mean the bootloader |
| 09:33.13 | EmleyMoor | No, before that |
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| 09:33.40 | EmleyMoor | Once installed, it should work. No promises but worth a try |
| 09:34.44 | so_solid_moo | ah, hang on, passing 'nolapic' on the boot prompt has done it |
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| 09:37.47 | quotemstr | Do .deb packages store user and group IDs symbolically or numerically? |
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| 09:38.13 | homie | anyone's using gnulib-tool ? |
| 09:38.17 | homie | or gnulib ? |
| 09:39.00 | homie | tar source i got does not contain any configure.ac and the autoconf does not create any in the source dir actually, what maybe wrong with it ? |
| 09:39.17 | homie | even the document tells me to cd into dir, make a ./configure etc.... |
| 09:39.29 | homie | but that's not possible here.... |
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| 09:40.17 | themill | quotemstr: policy §10.9 might be of interest here. |
| 09:40.41 | EmleyMoor | homie: Is it a Debian source package, or a plain one? |
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| 09:42.22 | quotemstr | themill: Thanks. |
| 09:42.50 | homie | EmleyMoor: from git |
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| 09:43.04 | homie | EmleyMoor: cvs version is the same though.... |
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| 09:43.12 | awk | Hi, any idea for release date for Debian 6 ? |
| 09:43.18 | simonrvn | !wir |
| 09:43.19 | dpkg | methinks wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 09:43.28 | EmleyMoor | homie: Try ./autogen.sh |
| 09:43.30 | awk | Ok who has more info than when it's ready. |
| 09:43.34 | simonrvn | !wir |
| 09:43.34 | dpkg | well, wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 09:43.35 | awk | Because that is just dum. |
| 09:43.41 | simonrvn | 'dumb' |
| 09:43.42 | homie | EmleyMoor: there is no autogen.sh in the source |
| 09:43.50 | homie | EmleyMoor: that's what i tell |
| 09:43.56 | awk | simonrvn stfu |
| 09:43.57 | themill | awk: read the debian-release mailing list if you want more details |
| 09:44.02 | EmleyMoor | You never mentioned it |
| 09:44.09 | themill | awk: what simonrvn is all that anyone can tell you |
| 09:44.10 | awk | themill: thanks. |
| 09:44.26 | homie | EmleyMoor: not even a ./configure script or else... |
| 09:44.33 | simonrvn | put awk on ignore |
| 09:44.49 | awk | themill: if I am developing a project then I would have some idea when it would be finished... |
| 09:45.16 | EmleyMoor | configure is created by autogen.sh on the few projects I have dealt with - ask someone who knows that project better |
| 09:45.33 | simonrvn | too quick to tell people to shut up, and too slow to apologise. |
| 09:45.34 | themill | awk: debian releases are finished when they're ready |
| 09:45.39 | homie | ok thanks though |
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| 09:46.05 | themill | dpkg: tell awk about guess the release date |
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| 09:48.11 | simonrvn | homie: if there is an autogen.sh use that to get a configure and friends |
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| 09:49.54 | homie | there's only a Makefile in the source dir |
| 09:50.05 | simonrvn | so use that |
| 09:50.13 | homie | nothing else, not even in the subdirs in build-aux, top or, config |
| 09:50.33 | homie | when i do a make, it tells me nothing to do for all |
| 09:50.38 | simonrvn | it's probably just one master Makefile for the whole thing. |
| 09:50.52 | simonrvn | then look inside, and see what targets there are |
| 09:51.09 | simonrvn | you'll see stuff like: |
| 09:51.12 | simonrvn | foo: |
| 09:51.21 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:52.54 | babilen | awk: Soonish, read debian-release, have a look at http://blog.schmehl.info/ and fix at least 2 RC bugs. |
| 09:53.08 | homie | did, check, regen, all, update-license or so etc.. there are..... |
| 09:53.25 | EmleyMoor | SIYH <g> |
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| 09:53.35 | babilen | jupp |
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| 09:55.24 | simonrvn | homie: look at each target, and see what they do, and run that/those |
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| 09:57.58 | homie | did a make regen, now it takes soo long.. |
| 09:58.05 | babilen | ain |
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| 09:58.27 | babilen | isn't that a good thing? |
| 09:58.53 | babilen | brb -- enjoy your coffee :) |
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| 10:03.53 | homie | oh man, i aborted it, and did a make check, it just prints some bash code, does nothing.. |
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| 10:33.53 | mikker | In a directory owned by say user:www-data how do I make new files also belong to the www-data group? |
| 10:34.30 | mikker | I remember I read somewhere there's a chmod flag to make it so? |
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| 10:35.34 | skamikaze | mikker: sudo chown www-data:www-data filename |
| 10:36.14 | mikker | skamikaze: and filename is the directory? |
| 10:36.26 | themill | mikker: setgid on the directory (man chmod) |
| 10:36.39 | skamikaze | mikker: then use -R flag |
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| 10:39.35 | mikker | themill: chmod g+s ? |
| 10:39.46 | themill | yes |
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| 10:48.13 | man_in_ltop | waves |
| 10:48.19 | man_in_ltop | i'm trying to build a patched evince-gtk |
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| 10:48.37 | man_in_ltop | but dpkg-buildpackage wants to build the gnome ones too |
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| 10:50.34 | man_in_ltop | anyone know if this is possible? |
| 10:50.46 | man_in_ltop | i.e., building evince-gtk only into a packdage |
| 10:50.49 | man_in_ltop | *package |
| 10:50.53 | mikker | themill: Everytime I run the rsync it seems to get over written |
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| 10:59.43 | cpf_ | Hi guys, yesterday I updated my debian to squeeze, now I have a problem with networking: I set /etc/network/interfaces correctly (worked in lenny), but the only way to get my settings is to execute /etc/init.d/networking restart manually |
| 11:00.15 | cpf_ | I checked with sysv-rc-conf and the networking service should start on boot, also, just doing /etc/init.d/networking start doesn't work, restart seems to do something different... |
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| 11:03.35 | mikker | For the record - chmod g+s and adding --no-perms did the trick |
| 11:04.17 | tdn | How much space is needed to install a basic debian system? |
| 11:04.29 | tdn | I will install from netinst image. |
| 11:04.32 | simonrvn | under 1 GB |
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| 11:04.35 | tdn | Can it fit on a 500MB partition? |
| 11:04.38 | tdn | simonrvn, ok. |
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| 11:05.18 | simonrvn | sarge was ~500-750 MB and so was lenny IIRC |
| 11:05.32 | tdn | Ok. |
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| 11:12.09 | bolt-work | thought the base install was way smaller than that |
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| 11:12.21 | bolt-work | or are you including gnome and stuff in your estimates? |
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| 11:14.37 | tdn | How much RAM is required for installing debian with the netinst installer image? Is 256 MB enough? (no swap) |
| 11:15.04 | tdn | bolt-work, I thought it was smaller too. No X stuff is included for my need. |
| 11:15.06 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 11:15.32 | tdn | How much without a DE? |
| 11:15.37 | simonrvn | bolt-work: including a full base install, plus vim |
| 11:16.03 | simonrvn | i.e. completed, with the reboot, and aptitude run to install the required stuff |
| 11:16.35 | simonrvn | gnome, kde can add up to an extra 1-2 GB each |
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| 11:20.42 | tdn | I have written a python based framework for writing system administration scripts. What is the procedure for getting this project included in Debian distribution? |
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| 11:25.00 | simonrvn | file a rfp bug (Request For Package) |
| 11:26.57 | tdn | simonrvn, ok. Thanks. |
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| 11:28.57 | cpf_ | Anyone knows what package the basic networking is in? I already reinstalled ifupdown, but no success |
| 11:29.20 | petemc | net-tools |
| 11:29.29 | cpf_ | Aha, thnx |
| 11:30.05 | petemc | np |
| 11:30.11 | tvm | also netbase |
| 11:30.39 | tdn | FYI: fresh vanilla install from netinst (lenny) takes up 509 MB disk space. |
| 11:31.47 | cpf_ | No joy, networking still won't set my ip at boot time... |
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| 11:32.29 | petemc | cpf_: do you have auto ethN in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 11:32.50 | cpf_ | petemc, Yes I do |
| 11:33.20 | petemc | cpf_: and the interfaces isnt brought up ? does it work if you ifup ethN after booting ? |
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| 11:34.09 | cpf_ | petemc, ifup complains that eth1 is already configured. |
| 11:34.33 | cpf_ | But eth1 doesn't show up in ifconfig and no networking is possible. |
| 11:34.53 | petemc | cpf_: can you pastebin /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 11:34.54 | rooisto47 | hi everyone, I wanna connect to a wifi access point manually (iwconfigwlan0 essid "XXXX", dhclient wlan0, no password ) but it doesn't work! using nm-applet it works, can you help me to connect manually ? |
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| 11:35.08 | cpf_ | petemc, Sure, give me a sec :) |
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| 11:37.16 | cpf_ | petemc, http://pastebin.com/yWd5pzdq |
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| 11:38.03 | petemc | cpf_: what interfaces to ifconfig -a list ? |
| 11:38.08 | petemc | s/to/does/ |
| 11:38.50 | cpf_ | petemc, http://pastebin.com/TQJgyNkK |
| 11:38.53 | cpf_ | Of course it's connected atm |
| 11:39.06 | cpf_ | I'm using pastebinit, because typing everything would be too much work :) |
| 11:39.21 | petemc | understandable |
| 11:39.22 | frikinz | tdn: I installed debian lenny with netinst using 256MB. I also needed ~270MB disk space |
| 11:39.40 | Dis0 | rooisto47: you have to disable network manager |
| 11:39.42 | petemc | cpf_: so how did you bring the interface up ? |
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| 11:39.54 | cpf_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:40.01 | cpf_ | The thing is, restart works, start doesn't. |
| 11:40.01 | petemc | and it just worked? |
| 11:40.04 | cpf_ | Jup. |
| 11:40.14 | cpf_ | Wel, it complains about SIGDELRT or something like that. |
| 11:40.25 | cpf_ | I'll redo that for you, sec. |
| 11:41.22 | rooisto47 | Dis0: yes I did this by "killall nm-applet" |
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| 11:47.24 | cpf_ | petemc, http://pastebin.com/GK2qrPz1 This is the result of a ifconfig -a and after that /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 11:49.17 | frikinz | Dis0: you can add the conf in /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf and in interfaces use wpa-roam /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf. Any time you need a new network, put it in wpa_supplicant and it will be taken if found |
| 11:49.37 | frikinz | err wrong person |
| 11:49.55 | Dis0 | frikinz: :p |
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| 11:51.32 | babilen | cpf_: Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz and have a look at /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/wpa-roam.conf |
| 11:51.53 | cpf_ | babilen, It's no wireless connection... |
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| 11:52.29 | babilen | cpf_: Ah, ok. I just read frikinz messages and wanted to point out additional information. I am not aware of your original problem. |
| 11:52.47 | frikinz | glad I'm not the only one who mixed up persons :p |
| 11:52.59 | cpf_ | babilen, "networking" not setting a static ip on-boot... |
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| 11:54.41 | babilen | cpf_: Yeah, that is pretty much unrelated to wpa-supplicant's roaming mode. :) |
| 11:54.48 | cpf_ | babilen, :) |
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| 11:54.57 | babilen | frikinz: Who was the roaming mode message meant for? |
| 11:55.21 | frikinz | babilen: for rooisto47 who.. is gone :) |
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| 11:55.38 | babilen | hehe |
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| 11:58.10 | petemc | cpf_: do you have openvpn or something similar installed? |
| 11:58.21 | cpf_ | petemc, I do... |
| 11:58.28 | cpf_ | Openvpn in fact |
| 11:58.29 | petemc | i suspect thats your problem |
| 11:58.44 | cpf_ | Argh |
| 11:58.57 | cpf_ | You're going to make me redo that thing, aren't you? :D |
| 11:59.22 | petemc | no :) |
| 11:59.44 | petemc | you might want to look at how it starts tho |
| 11:59.50 | cpf_ | I threw it out of there, doing reboot... |
| 12:00.12 | cpf_ | Was just starting out with openvpn a month ago, I need to learn that stuff more anyway :) |
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| 12:03.07 | cpf_ | Perhaps something interesting: http://pastebin.com/VyQQYkpC |
| 12:03.09 | cpf_ | My dmesg output |
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| 12:03.57 | _pw_ | hi, any one use debian amd64, where to find firefox 3.6.13 (latest version) for debian amd64? |
| 12:04.09 | cpf_ | It seems my tg3 driver complaints about the link not up yet. |
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| 12:04.20 | tvm | _pw_: apt-get install iceweasel ? |
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| 12:04.35 | babilen | ,versions iceweasel |
| 12:04.36 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-4~bpo50+1; sid: 3.5.16-4; squeeze: 3.5.16-4; experimental: 3.6.13-2 |
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| 12:04.46 | babilen | _pw_: ^^^^ |
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| 12:05.54 | _pw_ | thanks, but what i want is firefox, not iceweasel |
| 12:05.58 | babilen | _pw_: But note: experimental â here be dragons! I would be extremely cautious when using it. You probably want to install ff from upstream to /usr/local if you really need it *right now*. -- /msg dpkg usrlocal -- /msg dpkg stow |
| 12:06.10 | babilen | _pw_: iceweasel *is* firefox |
| 12:06.53 | _pw_ | what's the main difference between these two? |
| 12:07.00 | babilen | !why iceweasel |
| 12:07.00 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 12:07.10 | babilen | _pw_: basically: name+logos |
| 12:07.42 | _pw_ | so all the extensions can be used under iceweasel? |
| 12:08.21 | babilen | _pw_: You can also wait until squeeze is released and iceweasel 3.6.??'s migration to sid/wheezy ... |
| 12:08.21 | _pw_ | if so, thanks, i'll try iceweasel. |
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| 12:09.01 | babilen | _pw_: I am not aware of any extension that does not work with iceweasel. |
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| 12:09.30 | cpf_ | Hah, petemc I found it :) |
| 12:09.37 | cpf_ | It's quite embarrasing... |
| 12:10.02 | cpf_ | It's my own fault, back when I was running lenny, I had to do a hack to get my tg3 driver loaded properly. |
| 12:10.17 | cpf_ | This was causing the interface to go down and up again, without the networking to notice. |
| 12:10.44 | cpf_ | Now, in a normal boot, this didn't matter, but with the "new" sysv-rc boot system, it seems to have gone astray :) |
| 12:10.47 | cpf_ | Thanks anyway petemc |
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| 12:12.17 | _pw_ | babilen: thanks, it works for me. |
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| 12:16.32 | babilen | _pw_: Great. :) |
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| 12:21.30 | tdn | frikinz, ok. After apt-get clean it uses 396 MB. |
| 12:22.09 | tdn | frikinz, probably shouldn't have selected "standard system" or something like that during the tasksel dialog. |
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| 12:27.13 | frikinz | tdn: ok. I forgot to say I removed most of /usr/share/doc. But now it is ~256MB. things regarding apt and dpkg are quite big. lists file for example, not cleaned by apt-get clean |
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| 12:52.24 | `Assassin | Can anybody help me use apt-build? I'm not sure if I should pick one of the architectures on the list of choices it gives me or manually place my architecture in the config file. |
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| 12:55.52 | esdf | how can i remove zombie's and apt-get install packs that i don't need |
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| 12:56.06 | `Assassin | I don't see x86-64 or AMD64 on the list, which is what I have. I DO see athlon 64. That might be the correct one unless I need to specifically tell it to optimize for Turion x2, which isn't on the list. |
| 12:56.54 | f8l | esdf: apt-get autoremove? |
| 12:57.04 | esdf | ty |
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| 13:06.30 | AlexC_ | morning |
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| 13:07.14 | AlexC_ | if I am using pam_ldap to authenticate, I'm a little confused how file permissions will work with this. I take it files can be owned by these users in LDAP and processes can be ran as these users? |
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| 13:08.10 | sep | AlexC_, you want to look at libnss-ldapd |
| 13:08.21 | sekon | How to see current debconf priority level |
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| 13:09.11 | AlexC_ | sep: interesting, how does this different from pam_ldap? Sorry I'm just a little confused here |
| 13:10.29 | sep | pam is for authentication. eg checking your password. |
| 13:10.42 | sep | nss is for mapping uid's to names and vice verca |
| 13:10.47 | sep | like who ownes a process |
| 13:10.51 | sep | who ownes a file.. |
| 13:11.00 | AlexC_ | sep: a ha, so I in fact need both? |
| 13:11.10 | sep | very commonly yes |
| 13:11.19 | AlexC_ | excellent, thank you |
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| 13:12.54 | AlexC_ | sep: and doing this, the uids will be consistent between different clients? |
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| 13:13.37 | sep | for the uids that are in ldap :yes. for the uid's that are in /etc/passwd :no |
| 13:13.50 | AlexC_ | cool, that's what I'm after - thanks |
| 13:13.52 | sep | but that's usualy ok :) |
| 13:14.01 | Bop | ,versions xfce |
| 13:14.03 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'xfce' was found in i386. |
| 13:14.05 | Bop | ,versions xfce4 |
| 13:14.06 | judd | Package xfce4 on i386 -- etch: 4.3.99.2; etch-backports: 4.4.2~bpo40+2; lenny: 4.4.2.1; lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1; sid: 4.6.2; squeeze: 4.6.2 |
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| 13:18.50 | Dis0 | Hi, I cant launch any terminal in scrotwm, it close right away, if i launch it with -e command, it closes when the command finishes, any idea? |
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| 13:38.21 | c0nsense | hello! i'm running apache and vbox on debian lenny and i want create an web manager for vbox, how can i do for the user www-data runs vbox commands? |
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| 13:41.44 | xk | c0nsense: best to make a basic server that accepts limited commands. |
| 13:42.03 | xk | or if you want quick and dirty, sudo. |
| 13:42.15 | mohamed-ragab | i want program as micro-media flash mx |
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| 13:43.48 | c0nsense | xk: sudoers with NOPASSWD? |
| 13:43.53 | xk | correct |
| 13:44.09 | c0nsense | xk: maybe it's be a security broken. |
| 13:44.17 | c0nsense | xk: no good. |
| 13:44.34 | xk | yeah... as I said... quick and dirty |
| 13:44.59 | c0nsense | xk: don't have how do it with SUDO JUST vbox commands? |
| 13:45.17 | xk | ? |
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| 13:45.42 | c0nsense | xk: if have something to use just vbox commands |
| 13:45.53 | xk | yeah |
| 13:45.58 | c0nsense | xk: www-data can JUST run vbox commands |
| 13:46.18 | xk | yeah |
| 13:46.24 | c0nsense | xk: how do it? |
| 13:46.28 | jelly | c0nsense: man sudoers ... you can specify which commands are allowed to run by which user/ |
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| 13:46.55 | xk | <user> ALL=NOPASSWD: /path/to/command |
| 13:46.59 | xk | without <> |
| 13:47.33 | c0nsense | thanks! |
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| 13:51.26 | mohamed-ragab | HI, is there any program for flash editing on linux? |
| 13:52.35 | brugidou | mohamed-ragab: www.adobe.com, they give/sell flash software for linux |
| 13:52.55 | Zero_Dogg | brugidou: not for editing though |
| 13:53.45 | mohamed-ragab | brugidou, program for flash editing on linux? |
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| 13:53.59 | brugidou | true |
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| 13:54.16 | brugidou | it's for editing flash(fla) and actionscript(as) files |
| 13:54.19 | brugidou | not actual swf |
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| 13:54.55 | brugidou | but it enables you to compile and write code for flash application |
| 13:55.00 | brugidou | and works on linux |
| 13:55.10 | brugidou | Flash Builder was a beta last year, i don't know about now |
| 13:55.16 | brugidou | but the compiler does work on the command line |
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| 14:02.37 | brugidou | mohamed-ragab: Flash Builder is used for Flex apps though, you can use it to compile flash without the Flex SDK though |
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| 14:03.23 | brugidou | mohamed-ragab: and it compiles AS code to swf pretty smoothly, i haven't used any other software from them, but i'm sure plenty of flash developers are using linux |
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| 14:16.57 | superlinux | hi. is there one command that can print as the following table : line_of_file1 ; line_of_file2? or must i write a script? |
| 14:18.02 | brugidou | diff -y ? |
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| 14:20.20 | babilen | superlinux: "man paste" -- e.g. 'paste -d ";" file1 file2 file3' |
| 14:21.10 | Pupeno[work] | What's the best way to have a newer php package in Debian leny? |
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| 14:21.52 | karlpinc | babilen: Good to know. (I'm jolly fond of join, although that's not relevant.) |
| 14:22.06 | karlpinc | !tell Pupeno[work] about bdo |
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| 14:22.30 | karlpinc | ,versions php |
| 14:22.31 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'php' was found in i386. |
| 14:22.46 | Pupeno[work] | karlpinc: I don't see php in there, but maybe I'm missing it. Is it in there? |
| 14:22.58 | karlpinc | ,versions php5 |
| 14:23.00 | judd | Package php5 on i386 -- etch: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; sid: 5.3.3-7; squeeze: 5.3.3-7 |
| 14:23.18 | superlinux | babilen, thanks |
| 14:23.24 | karlpinc | Pupeno[work]: Apparently not. |
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| 14:24.04 | karlpinc | Pupeno[work]: There's the <ssb> factoid. |
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| 14:25.16 | Pupeno[work] | karlpinc: what's an ssb factoid? |
| 14:25.24 | karlpinc | !tell Pupeno[work] about ssb |
| 14:25.28 | karlpinc | !factoid |
| 14:25.28 | dpkg | A factoid is something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print, or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated info, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something. This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid". |
| 14:25.37 | babilen | superlinux: You are welcome :) |
| 14:26.08 | themill | .o0(why do we have lots of lenny users want a newer php and lots of squeeze users who have the newer php but seem to want an older one) |
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| 14:26.29 | karlpinc | That's odd. Why an older one? |
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| 14:28.36 | babilen | karlpinc: Because they want to run some web-thingie in PHP that works only with a very specific version of PHP maybe? |
| 14:29.10 | superlinux | I hacked a server, I don't mean penetrating it, i downloaded all their emails they have on their server which are in the form of pictures. the emails are saved in form of http://domain_server.com/file/email_NNNN.png . using gocr (OCR application) I was able to re-read them as ascii. |
| 14:29.40 | xk | heh |
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| 14:32.41 | jelly | "all their emails they have on their server which are in the form of pictures" sounds rather weird in the start |
| 14:32.42 | xk | Your search - inurl:file/email_*.png - did not match any documents. |
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| 14:34.18 | AlexC_ | what is the most effecient way to have 1 server offer access to a locally mounted drive to other computers on the network? NFS? |
| 14:34.30 | AlexC_ | effecient/fastest |
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| 14:35.31 | Detch | good day, it is possible to create a repository of debian locally on a Windows machine? |
| 14:35.47 | xk | Detch: there's always a VM :) |
| 14:36.29 | daemonkeeper | I think he means the repository infrastructure |
| 14:36.34 | sekon | Detch: config webserver |
| 14:36.45 | daemonkeeper | Where the answer is yes: It is a web server (or FTP) only. |
| 14:36.46 | Detch | the server is already virtualized |
| 14:36.57 | daemonkeeper | Problem may be to update meta information. |
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| 14:38.05 | Detch | daemonkeeper, most updates are not made by rsync? |
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| 14:38.32 | daemonkeeper | Do you want to run your own repository or mirror Debian's? |
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| 14:39.19 | Detch | I want a repository for updates, especially for security |
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| 14:39.44 | daemonkeeper | You know, there are not even official mirrors for Debian Security? |
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| 14:40.34 | jelly | Detch: sure, if you can bring up a web service or an ftp service, you can set up a mirror. I'm not sure how you're going to deal with symlinks present in a full debian mirror though. |
| 14:41.25 | Detch | I explained it wrong, I want a local repository for updates to avoid system failures |
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| 14:41.44 | frostschutz | daemonkeeper: I get several ips for security.debian if those aren't mirrors what are they...? ;) |
| 14:42.23 | daemonkeeper | frostschutz: Operated by Debian, e.g. compare with http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 14:42.58 | daemonkeeper | frostschutz: Didn't say there is a single physical server only ;) |
| 14:43.15 | Detch | jelly, not aware of symbolic links, I will give a study about it because I want to let a single server for updates for m $ and linux |
| 14:43.19 | Detch | tks |
| 14:43.51 | daemonkeeper | Detch: Generally, there is no problem to run a Debian mirror if you can manage to keep the repository up to date by whatever means you have |
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| 14:44.22 | daemonkeeper | jelly pointed out potential problems with symlinks, those are not essential though, if you do carefully configure your sources.list |
| 14:44.34 | Detch | how to update this repository is made? |
| 14:45.09 | daemonkeeper | Sure, use whatever you want. You have a public FTP/HTTP and yours. Keep it synch by whatever means you have. |
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| 14:45.50 | daemonkeeper | Usually, the preferred way to do this is the ftpsync script, which in turn is mostly a wrapper around rsync |
| 14:45.59 | daemonkeeper | You are not forced to that though |
| 14:46.31 | Detch | daemonkeeper, |
| 14:46.34 | Detch | more as it is downloaded from the repository? and its maintenance |
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| 14:47.33 | daemonkeeper | More than what? If you can manage to keep your mirror up to date and work around potential symlink issues, you are fine. Besides you might try Cygwin for a better experience. |
| 14:47.52 | Detch | I think I'll use rsync in the same limit which folders and download ..., for example, contrib. etc. .. |
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| 14:57.00 | HackeMate | hello, i installed rdesktop to connect terminal server windows |
| 14:57.04 | HackeMate | but it doesnt even appear |
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| 14:58.44 | jelly | HackeMate: against all belief, rdesktop is a command line tool |
| 14:59.19 | HackeMate | no any frontend? |
| 14:59.25 | daemonkeeper | Sure |
| 14:59.31 | daemonkeeper | Not rdesktop though |
| 14:59.37 | daemonkeeper | There are frontends using it |
| 14:59.48 | HackeMate | oh i see |
| 15:00.08 | daemonkeeper | For KDE consider krdc |
| 15:00.37 | HackeMate | right, thanks |
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| 15:05.20 | jelly | HackeMate: fwiw, I prefer (Gnome's) tsclient frontend and use it even under kde4 |
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| 15:07.27 | SPF | from the debian xen wiki it says '6. reboot into xen'. Shouldn't that be 'boot into xen'? |
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| 15:12.30 | Zagorax | Hi, I have some problem viewing one of my website and I think that this is becouse dns cache. From ubuntu and slackware host command gives the right result, while from debian squeeze I get the old IP... how can I flush this cache? thank you |
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| 15:12.52 | xk | Zagorax: check /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:13.01 | Zagorax | I tryed with google but I found only guides that tell me to restart the dns server... but I haven't one installed on my system |
| 15:13.05 | daemonkeeper | Linux has no such concept of a DNS "cache" like you might know from Windows |
| 15:13.42 | daemonkeeper | Linux always asks your upstream name server to resolve its name. If anything it is cached there (where a cache belongs to) |
| 15:14.57 | Zagorax | well... on the other system I use opendns nameserver, here on debian it took it with dhcp and I have the dns provided by my provider... does it mean that the old IP is cached (or maybe not updated) on that server? |
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| 15:15.48 | daemonkeeper | If you get an outdated IP your recursor causes that. This is the one, you have listed in /etc/resolv.conf as xk said. |
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| 15:17.00 | Zagorax | well, thank you. I'll wait for them to update the record. |
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| 15:35.04 | babilen | orflon: Configure gnome-screensaver. I don't have it installed, but IIRC there is a checkbox to disable locking. (gnome-control-center â screensaver â ?) |
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| 15:44.44 | Third3ye | Hey folks :) had to delete the cups folder from /etc, for some strange reasons |
| 15:44.54 | Third3ye | Now I want to regenerate them. is it possible? |
| 15:46.13 | Third3ye | tried dpkg-reconfigure cups cups-common |
| 15:46.15 | Third3ye | to no avail |
| 15:46.17 | raz0 | --force-confmiss |
| 15:46.56 | Third3ye | raz0: What command? |
| 15:47.02 | jelly | !tell Third3ye about confmiss |
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| 15:50.12 | Elmo84 | Hey guys, how can I create a Deb package that might use local resources (for dependencies)? |
| 15:50.19 | Elmo84 | for people without an Internet Connection |
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| 15:51.41 | g105b | I've followed up to about half way through of the famous http://workaround.org/ispmail/lenny tutorial and got stuck at the same point each time. On the /test-mail-through-telnet page, the mail sends fine, but there is nothing in the /vmail directory ... no logs and no mailboxes. I've made sure vmail user and group have permissions for that directory and that all paths in .conf files are correct ... Does anyone have any advice? |
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| 15:58.25 | Without | Hi, 4 x 1TB raid0 will increase writing/reading speed ? compared to 2 x 2TB raid0 |
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| 15:58.42 | pipeline | Without: yes |
| 15:58.46 | pipeline | Without: more spindles is better |
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| 15:58.53 | pipeline | Without: but your best cohice would be 8x 1TB RAID 1+0 |
| 15:59.04 | pipeline | Without: or 4x 2TB RAID 1+0 |
| 15:59.09 | pipeline | Without: RAID0 is a hazardous configuration |
| 15:59.22 | Without | pipeline: currently i've have 2 choice, either 4 x 1TB raid0 and 2 x 2TB raid0 |
| 15:59.26 | Without | i don't care about my data |
| 15:59.41 | pipeline | Without: what are you using it for that you just don't care at all ? |
| 15:59.55 | Without | It's just normal data which i can backup daily |
| 16:00.03 | pipeline | Without: yeah but what's the restore time on that ? |
| 16:00.07 | pipeline | Without: i.e. what is your time worth |
| 16:00.09 | Without | my current issue is IO problem |
| 16:00.26 | pipeline | Without: for me, losing a single day of my time would be worth enough to spend the $160 to have 4x2TB drives for RAID-10 |
| 16:00.45 | Without | I got my way to recover the data back to server. |
| 16:00.49 | pipeline | Without: yeah, well, more spindles is 99% of the time going to be faster than fewer spindles |
| 16:00.52 | Without | I would like to know which option is the best. |
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| 16:01.09 | pipeline | Without: without knowing any specifics, four 1TB drives beats two 2TB drives |
| 16:01.30 | pipeline | Without: under very rare circumstances that could prove not to be true, e.g. if teh 1TB drives are "low power" and the 2TB drives are four-platter instead of two-platter |
| 16:01.58 | Without | so, 4 x 1TB raid0 will give double reading/writing speeds compared to 2 x 2TB raid0 ? |
| 16:02.08 | g105b | pipeline: does four thousand 1GB drives beat two 2TB drives? |
| 16:02.32 | g105b | hypothetically of course |
| 16:02.43 | Ox1 | continous writes |
| 16:03.00 | Ox1 | (theoritically) |
| 16:03.30 | Without | so it's better i have 4 x 1TB raid0 right " |
| 16:03.31 | Without | ? |
| 16:03.51 | pipeline | g105b: yes, absolutely. They would be lightning fast. At that point you would be faster than SSDs. |
| 16:03.56 | pipeline | Without: yes |
| 16:03.57 | Ox1 | define "better" |
| 16:04.03 | pipeline | Without: more spindles = better seeking |
| 16:04.11 | Without | ok, thank you very much :) |
| 16:05.11 | pielgrzym | any way to install redmine on debian lenny, not manually? dependencies are borked in current redmine. Lenny's rails are too old and lenny-backport rails to fresh for redmine. I've seen dev don't give a shit, since they're waiting for new redmine from testing that works with newest rails :/ maybe a fixed deb somewhere I haven't found? |
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| 16:05.41 | g105b | pipeline: but four thousand SSDs would be even faster? |
| 16:05.56 | pipeline | g105b: that's a hard question |
| 16:06.02 | pipeline | g105b: SSDs achieve their speed through firmware trickery |
| 16:06.16 | pipeline | g105b: so four thousand SSDs might not be any faster than four SSDs (for the same size) |
| 16:06.25 | pipeline | g105b: disregarding bus issues, obviously |
| 16:06.48 | g105b | pipeline: there is a minimum time spent in the firmware for each SSD? |
| 16:06.53 | pipeline | g105b: the primary reason to use SSD RAID right now is that a single SAS bus is limited to 6.0 gbps |
| 16:07.17 | pipeline | g105b: no I just meant that when you go down to very small sizes of SSD, you may lose some of the advantages of the firmware's dodge and burn tricks |
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| 16:07.37 | pipeline | g105b: I think overall, ignoring bus limitations, you would be better off to have fewer, larger SSDs |
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| 16:07.52 | pipeline | g105b: with hard drives, you want more spindles because that's more simultaneous seeks, more heads, more platters, you know ? |
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| 16:08.06 | g105b | pipeline: yeah, makes sense |
| 16:08.16 | pipeline | g105b: a four platter drive is usually higher-performance than a two-platter drive; two two platter drives will usually beat a single four-platter; and so on and so forth ... more drives means fewer physical limitations |
| 16:09.07 | g105b | pipeline: what do the world's largest data centres use / what would they use if they were being set up from scratch now? |
| 16:09.51 | pipeline | g105b: my present employer just replaced 100% of the storage in their primary DC, actually |
| 16:10.08 | Without | What's the different between software raid and hardware raid ? currently my provider offers software raid only. |
| 16:10.22 | pipeline | g105b: they replaced five EMC systems consuming 25 racks with a single EMC VMAX that consumes only four racks, and provides about 70% of the capacity |
| 16:10.35 | pipeline | g105b: it uses a mixture of SSDs, high-speed HDDs, and low-speed HDDs. |
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| 16:10.51 | pipeline | Without: in 2011 the performance difference is pretty small |
| 16:11.11 | pipeline | Without: software raid lacks a battery backed cache, so I wouldn't use it without a substantial external UPS |
| 16:11.57 | Without | which means it's pretty small different only right? if no UPS, datacenter blackout.. hdd will be crashed? |
| 16:12.01 | pipeline | g105b: you can provision luns specifically backed by a type of storage, or you can just let the system dynamically move blocks around, so that your hot spots are on SSD, and your hardly-ever-accessed data ends up on the $0.20c/GB cheapo storage |
| 16:12.16 | pipeline | Without: it means that in the event of a power failure you will have to rebuild your RAID. |
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| 16:12.28 | pipeline | Without: well, PROBABLY have to rebuild your RAID |
| 16:12.39 | pipeline | Without: and, worse, there's a small chance of corrupted data |
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| 16:12.49 | Without | okay.. thank you.. hehe |
| 16:13.00 | g105b | pipeline: wouldn't that force less-active users to have slower data access? |
| 16:13.05 | pipeline | Without: in a datacenter, you usually have DC-wide uninterruptible power, though. I would ask your provider whether he has 2N power. |
| 16:13.12 | pipeline | g105b: yep. But who cares ? |
| 16:13.25 | pipeline | g105b: low-activity workloads usually read in a straight line, in which case the slow storage is going to be amply fast. |
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| 16:13.53 | pipeline | g105b: if you start having contention, your low-activity storage is going to be high-activity... and it'll get moved. |
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| 16:14.00 | jelly | with a proper setup (writeback cache on member devices disabled, and other stuff that I don't know of), data corruption probability can be minimized |
| 16:14.24 | pipeline | writeback cache will be disabled ootb |
| 16:14.28 | pipeline | you don't have to fuck with it |
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| 16:14.48 | pipeline | I've never had data corruption on linux software RAID (specifically MD), but I've had many, many rebuilds triggered by power failures :( |
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| 16:15.38 | pipeline | Without: thing is, you're doing RAID-0, so you clearly don't give a damn about data integrity anyway |
| 16:15.41 | pipeline | Without: so, uh, fuck it. |
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| 16:20.09 | phorce1 | another nice thing about hardware raid (in a local machine) is the ability to pull the card and drives in the event of a motherboard failure and read the drives from any OS that supports the FS by connecting the whole setup to another motherboard. |
| 16:20.57 | pipeline | I consider that a downside to SW raid, phorce1 |
| 16:21.00 | pipeline | err HW raid |
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| 16:21.04 | pipeline | because it means I have to find a compatible card |
| 16:21.13 | pipeline | i.e. same vendor and correct chronological age |
| 16:21.23 | pipeline | that's not a problem with LSI or Adaptec |
| 16:21.34 | pipeline | but when people buy weirdo off-brand cards, it's a pain in the ass |
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| 16:22.04 | pipeline | with software raid, I can grab any linux livecd with a 2.6 kernel and have a good chance of being able to read the MD data |
| 16:22.53 | phorce1 | I'm talking failure of the something else in the system --- raid card still good. Say a customer's windows box blows a cpu VR. You can pull the drives and raid card and stick them in your linux work box and read off the data if they need something NOW. |
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| 16:24.58 | pipeline | phorce1: ...if the card is compatible |
| 16:25.14 | pipeline | phorce1: what if it's the wrong voltage ? or PCI-X versus PCI-E ? or a weird vendor, firmware mixup ? |
| 16:25.37 | pipeline | phorce1: it's just a whole bunch of problems I don't have to worry about with SW RAID |
| 16:25.42 | pipeline | phorce1: one of SW RAID's few virtues :P |
| 16:25.56 | pipeline | phorce1: of course if you buy a name brand vendor (i.e. Adaptec/LSI) all those problems go away |
| 16:26.21 | pipeline | phorce1: if I pull drives out of an Adaptec system from 2005, I can slam them into roughly 33% of HP/Dell servers and they'll "just work" |
| 16:26.29 | pipeline | phorce1: ditto for LSI |
| 16:26.45 | pipeline | phorce1: perfect forwards compatibility and super-wide deployment :) |
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| 16:29.13 | Shadow` | oh ye, soulseek works in linux \o/! |
| 16:29.36 | helo | ... But you're still hungry. |
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| 16:30.09 | Shadow` | still got an empty feeling in my stomach, not sure wether or not thats hunger or crap i still miss back in my windows days ;( |
| 16:31.50 | spldart | Get this... I just changed my hidden machine at work (running debian lenny with custom kernel) and I finally remembered an app I wanted to use to aim my new directional ant.... so I log in with putty and go root and install wavemon and then run it and i'm like 8-o WTH! Why are their a bajillion packets flying to and from this machine???? Then the little light upstairs came on... wavemon is giving a nice little real time display of signal str |
| 16:31.50 | spldart | ength and PACKET COUNTS across ssh.... DOH! /me slaps forehead |
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| 16:33.17 | phorce1 | pipeline: I tend to force customers to buy adaptec |
| 16:34.54 | pipeline | Shadow`: solution: install windows |
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| 16:35.05 | Shadow` | lol |
| 16:35.49 | Shadow` | for anything not running in debian itself (including wine) i use a VM ;p, but still because i miss some things on windows doesnt mean i prefer windows over linux |
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| 16:36.13 | phorce1 | pipeline: setting up a system build now for someone who only needs a bit of safety. Putting a 2405 in the box because I can buy them all day long for under $200 |
| 16:36.23 | helo | there's no reason to not use windows if you need something only it supports |
| 16:36.29 | pipeline | phorce1: hell yes |
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| 16:36.40 | helo | well, assuming you have a paid-for license already ;) |
| 16:36.42 | pipeline | Shadow`: then why are you telling us about it |
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| 16:37.01 | Shadow` | im bored |
| 16:37.08 | Shadow` | and ur replying |
| 16:37.39 | Shadow` | and i just said soulseek works fine in debian, for anyone who likes music and cares |
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| 16:42.01 | phorce1 | pipeline: had someone tell the customer that they could get adaptec 1220's for under $50 and they were "just as good". Ever tried to explain fakeraid to a non-techie? |
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| 16:43.16 | jhutchins_lt | Trying to explain RAID even to techies is tough. |
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| 16:44.38 | jhutchins_lt | In a debate in our users' group a couple of years ago we concluded that unless you're spending $350(US) or more for the controller you're not getting any real advantage and are in fact introducing additional points of failure. |
| 16:45.14 | jhutchins_lt | Even then, I've seen more failed controllers than drives, and often the same controller can't be replaced, meaning the array is worthless. |
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| 16:47.17 | pipeline | phorce1: I've found that explaining things is less important than sounding as if you've just explained something. |
| 16:47.30 | pipeline | phorce1: if you blither in pure jargon and they fail to understand it, they write it off |
| 16:47.47 | pipeline | phorce1: if you condescend, and attempt a real explanation in layman's terms, and your target STILL doesn't get it, you're implying that they're stupid, and anger is the result |
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| 16:53.54 | ElDiabolo | jhutchins_lt, we have switched to linux software raid because of that (not dependent on controller and well documented). |
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| 16:58.57 | jhutchins_lt | Have I mentioned how stupid it is that oo can not open documents over smb? |
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| 16:59.54 | wissem | hi all |
| 17:00.08 | babilen | welcome |
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| 17:00.40 | wissem | what is the diffrence on using aptitude full-upgrade and apt-get full-upgrade ? |
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| 17:00.57 | wissem | on upgrading from lenny to squeeze ? |
| 17:01.49 | babilen | differences in the dependency resolution algorithms |
| 17:02.27 | wissem | babilen, and should i delete the backport entry in sources.list ? |
| 17:02.35 | babilen | wissem: And "apt-get" is the recommended tool, so you would be well advised to use it. (As noted in the release notes) |
| 17:03.09 | babilen | http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#userbackports |
| 17:03.18 | babilen | wissem: You should follow the release notes. |
| 17:03.35 | wissem | babilen, okay ,thanks :) |
| 17:03.54 | babilen | No problem. Have fun :) |
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| 17:04.42 | babilen | wissem: And yes, you want to remove backports (and volatile if applicable) from /etc/apt/sources.list. |
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| 17:06.06 | phorce1 | jhutchins_lt: the 2405 is my choice for small stations because they're entry level for customer's who can't spend a bundle and can be replaced easily for under USD$200 each. |
| 17:06.50 | jhutchins_lt | If people are cutting corners they shouldn't be trying to use RAID. Cheap raid is lost data. |
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| 17:09.47 | Bop | ,versions xfce4 |
| 17:09.49 | judd | Package xfce4 on i386 -- etch: 4.3.99.2; etch-backports: 4.4.2~bpo40+2; lenny: 4.4.2.1; lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1; sid: 4.6.2; squeeze: 4.6.2 |
| 17:12.18 | babilen | Bop: You might find "rmadison" from the "devscripts" package useful. |
| 17:12.35 | phorce1 | jhutchins_lt: start them with a 2 drive raid 1. Later add a drive and go to 1E or add 2 drives and go to 10. Buy a second card and stick it on a shelf. We're talking small (1 - 20 employee) businesses here who can't afford a full time IT guy and only need "automated" safety for a specific subset of their data. |
| 17:12.49 | Bop | babilen, care to explain ? |
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| 17:15.13 | babilen | Bop: rmadison is a tool to query the Debian archive database about packages. But have a look: http://paste.debian.net/104880/ |
| 17:15.48 | Bop | babilen, nice nice , thanks |
| 17:15.54 | babilen | Bop: The devscripts package contains a bunch of other goodies as well. (aptitude show devscripts) |
| 17:16.01 | phorce1 | jhutchins_lt: people like the one's who are paying me way too much right now to save what data I can from the drive that's been forcing them to "press F2" to boot up for the last 2 months with a "HARD DRIVE FAILURE IMMINENT!!!" warning that they ignored |
| 17:16.16 | Bop | babilen, not on squeeze rep |
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| 17:16.59 | babilen | ,versions devscripts |
| 17:17.02 | judd | Package devscripts on i386 -- etch: 2.9.26etch5; etch-security: 2.9.26etch5; etch-backports: 2.10.35lenny7~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.10.35lenny7; lenny-security: 2.10.35lenny7; lenny-backports: 2.10.55~bpo50+1; sid: 2.10.69; squeeze: 2.10.69 |
| 17:17.13 | Bop | oh , its called devscripts |
| 17:17.14 | Bop | ok |
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| 17:17.24 | babilen | Bop: They are and I would be quite surprised if that wasn't the case :) |
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| 17:17.42 | Bop | gonna install it right away , thanks |
| 17:17.48 | babilen | no problem :) |
| 17:17.51 | petekaz | I need some help with an LVM issue. I have an external USB drive that I cannot mount. It tells me that it's a LVM2_member. I use pvdisplay and it says its a NEW physical volume with no VG name associated with it. How can I mount this? |
| 17:18.11 | Bop | babilen, jezaz alot of dependencies :o |
| 17:18.16 | mooglenorph | Hi, I'm trying to figure out how wc -w is implemented, and I can't find docs anywhere; I've checked both the manpage and infodocs. |
| 17:18.31 | thewanderer1 | mooglenorph: read the source |
| 17:18.35 | mooglenorph | (I want to know what it defines as a "word", ie, does it count "stopwords"?) |
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| 17:19.05 | babilen | Bop: Not really, just a huge list of "Recommends" (that are installed automatically and probably wanted) |
| 17:19.08 | thewanderer1 | mooglenorph: to the best of my knowledge, a word in wc is a string delimited by whitespace |
| 17:19.39 | thewanderer1 | petekaz: create a VG for it |
| 17:20.15 | petekaz | thewanderer1: is that non destructive to the drive? I don't want to destroy the data on it. |
| 17:20.24 | babilen | !tell Bop -about why recommends |
| 17:20.42 | Bop | i've installed |
| 17:20.48 | Bop | 30 mb of new packages |
| 17:20.50 | babilen | \o/ |
| 17:21.00 | Bop | a little too much for some app that query :S |
| 17:21.24 | jhutchins_lt | phorce1: Situations like that are not appropriate for RAID. RAID gives them the illusion they don't neeed backups. |
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| 17:21.30 | babilen | It is a collection of useful scripts. But I agree that it is a bit much if you just install it for "rmadison" :) |
| 17:21.34 | thewanderer1 | petekaz: what does "pvscan" return? |
| 17:21.41 | Bop | yeah |
| 17:22.00 | jelly-home | petekaz: also -- what does vgscan do after that? |
| 17:22.05 | petekaz | thewanderer1: PV /dev/sdb1 lvm2 [931.51 GiB] (notice the missing VG name there) |
| 17:22.19 | Bop | babilen, this is off a database right , and not real time |
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| 17:22.27 | mooglenorph | thewanderer1: hm. apparently it is whitespace delimited alphabetic characters, so strings with underscores and stuff don't count. which is pretty much what I wanted. thanks! |
| 17:22.42 | petekaz | jelly-home: vgscan only finds my VG for my permanent hard drive. |
| 17:22.51 | thewanderer1 | mooglenorph: hmm no, actually a_b-c^d is one word :P |
| 17:23.34 | jhutchins_lt | I worked for a business that built servers for their clients. They got sucked in when the two-drive motherboard RAID fad swept the industry. I had to rebuild at least three severs because the RAID controller failed. We also lost two of our own servers that had RAID5 with four or more drives due to unrecoverable arrays. |
| 17:23.49 | jhutchins_lt | Two drive raid provides no advantage. |
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| 17:24.37 | thewanderer1 | petekaz: create a new VG and use "vgextend" to add the PV |
| 17:24.48 | babilen | Bop: It is real-time and queries ftp-master |
| 17:24.55 | petekaz | thewanderer1: okay .. I'll give that a try. |
| 17:25.00 | babilen | Bop: (That is at least my understanding) |
| 17:25.02 | Bop | babilen, ok , great |
| 17:25.08 | Bop | hmm ok |
| 17:25.10 | Bop | gonna check man |
| 17:25.58 | Bop | queries the Debian archive database |
| 17:26.05 | thewanderer1 | petekaz: be sure to read all corresponding manuals to see if it's not destructive |
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| 17:26.54 | petekaz | thewanderer1: the funny thing is I can't see why on earth I would have made this disk LVM ... I thought it was only a single ext3 partition. |
| 17:27.17 | pipeline | petekaz: because lvm is always the right choice |
| 17:27.30 | pipeline | petekaz: you can always regret NOT using LVM, but I have never regretted choosing to use it. |
| 17:27.46 | petekaz | pipeline: but this was an external USB drive. |
| 17:27.55 | babilen | Bop: yes. the existence and status of Debian packages has to be noted somewhere. |
| 17:28.03 | petekaz | pipeline: just meant for backups. |
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| 17:28.15 | pipeline | petekaz: lvm snapshotting :) |
| 17:28.20 | jelly-home | petekaz: it might be a leftover lvm signature and there might be some other fs on it? |
| 17:28.27 | thewanderer1 | petekaz: I believe you would need exact information about the previous LVM to recover this |
| 17:28.41 | thewanderer1 | btw. have you tried mounting it directly? |
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| 17:29.27 | petekaz | thewanderer1: I tried but mount says LVM2_member. |
| 17:29.39 | thomaschaaf | I am searching for a way to get http://pastie.org/1470512 the result into different variables is there a trim function I could use? maybe cut? |
| 17:30.56 | petekaz | anyone know of any good disk recovery tools? |
| 17:31.03 | petekaz | nothing is working. |
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| 17:33.28 | pipeline | there are no good disk recovery tools |
| 17:33.33 | pipeline | just varieties of bad |
| 17:34.05 | petekaz | when I look at the fdisk output for that disk, the system type is 'Linux', does'nt that mean it's a ext fs? |
| 17:34.19 | pipeline | petekaz: nope |
| 17:34.24 | pipeline | petekaz: the hex codes in the part table are arbitrary |
| 17:34.44 | pipeline | petekaz: you could try setting it to linux lvm, but I don't think it will matter :) |
| 17:35.03 | llutz | petekaz: "sudo blkid" tells you the fs-type |
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| 17:35.09 | flo` | hi |
| 17:35.11 | petekaz | pipeline: I really don't think this drive was ever part of an LVM though. |
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| 17:35.35 | petekaz | llutz: unfortunately it says LVM2_member. |
| 17:35.36 | flo` | is it possible to upgrade the graphical stuff in debian lenny so that i have a working KMS for my radeon card? |
| 17:35.51 | thewanderer1 | petekaz: the partition embeds an LVM header if it is a part of LVM |
| 17:36.28 | flo` | the current drivers either don't support it at all, or they have it buggy... however, i've seen that arch linux (which has the newest of the newest) has a working KMS for my graphics card now... so i'd like to have it in debian, too |
| 17:36.39 | pipeline | petekaz: it's really easy to tell... just dd the first meg off the partition and open it in a hex editor |
| 17:36.46 | petekaz | I just don't get how I could have had this external removeable drive as part of LVM. I would pull this out regularly just by unplugging it. |
| 17:36.48 | pipeline | petekaz: the lvm header is really obvious |
| 17:37.00 | petekaz | pipeline: ok ... let me try that. |
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| 17:38.20 | phorce1 | jhutchins_lt: in this particular case I am also teaching them to back up the most important data (the stuff that loss would cost them lot$$ or put them out of business) to ther machines on the network and also to removable media. the RAID is to help reduce the possibility of them having to spend lots of $$ for recovery of "important but not business threatening" data again in the future. They've been running their business using quickbooks on a consumer grade |
| 17:38.21 | thewanderer1 | flo`: if you need it, upgrade to Squeeze |
| 17:38.35 | petekaz | pipeline: well .. it says LVM2 everywhere in the hex. |
| 17:38.47 | flo` | thewanderer1, is it also possible to use the new xorg and stuff with my old lenny? |
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| 17:39.02 | flo` | or are there too many dependency problems? |
| 17:39.25 | jhutchins_lt | phorce1: Just speaking from experience. How many systems has two drive raid saved so far? |
| 17:39.37 | thewanderer1 | flo`: no, not at all |
| 17:40.00 | flo` | thewanderer1, not possible or no problems xD? |
| 17:40.15 | petekaz | So, where does LVM keep all the info about VGs and such? When I blew away my main machine, I assume it must have had the info stating that this removeable drive was part of some VG and was the only PV in that VG. |
| 17:40.32 | thewanderer1 | flo`: not possible :P |
| 17:40.44 | flo` | hrm :( |
| 17:40.48 | thewanderer1 | petekaz: it does NOT keep info in the disk, but in config files of the system |
| 17:40.54 | pipeline | petekaz: well there you go :) |
| 17:40.56 | thewanderer1 | so if you lose info about VG, you're done |
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| 17:41.04 | petekaz | thewanderer1: oh oh. |
| 17:41.05 | pipeline | thewanderer1: what ? bull |
| 17:41.11 | flo` | thewanderer1, wrong |
| 17:41.15 | pipeline | petekaz, thewanderer1 : every disk in an LVM set has a complete copy of the VG data |
| 17:41.16 | flo` | for lvm1 this is correct |
| 17:41.19 | thewanderer1 | well where is it saved? |
| 17:41.24 | pipeline | petekaz, thewanderer1 : it's saved in the header on the disk |
| 17:41.29 | flo` | but lvm2 stores the info somewhere on the disks |
| 17:41.33 | thewanderer1 | hm... |
| 17:41.36 | flo` | i.e., on the lvm-partitions |
| 17:41.42 | thewanderer1 | on every PV? |
| 17:41.44 | pipeline | yes |
| 17:41.50 | phorce1 | jhutchins_lt: raid1 --- 2 that I have installed have had one drive fail in the last 5 or 6 years. I make my customers replace one drive at the drive warranty half-life and use drives that are only large enough for the data they need to keep. |
| 17:41.52 | pipeline | every PV knows everything about every other PV and the whole VG |
| 17:41.54 | thewanderer1 | oh well. |
| 17:42.06 | thewanderer1 | in this case, sth like vgcfg-restore? |
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| 17:42.33 | jhutchins_lt | phorce1: No controller failures or array corruption? |
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| 17:42.41 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt, phorce1 : drive failures are super-common. There's a reason Dell has started to exclude HDDs from their warranties :D |
| 17:42.49 | thewanderer1 | (looks like I haven't gone through enough LVM disaster scenarios) |
| 17:43.24 | phorce1 | jhutchins_lt: no controller failures but I am a VERY low volume installer |
| 17:43.34 | jhutchins_lt | pipeline: My experience says otherwise. |
| 17:43.45 | petekaz | thewanderer1: vgcfgrestore seems to need a VG name, but there is none associated with this PV per my pvscan output. |
| 17:44.23 | jhutchins_lt | I didn't have actual figures on how many systems we built but it was my impression that we lost more than 50% of the first generation motherboard raid systems. |
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| 17:45.28 | thewanderer1 | petekaz: well. if you read the disk partion dump in a text editor, the config file might appear in the first few MB I think |
| 17:45.41 | thewanderer1 | in plaintext, right? or some other format? |
| 17:45.53 | phorce1 | jhutchins_lt: the Adaptec 2405 started as a "way over $300" controller but the price has come down to "affordable for small business" and they are still manufacturing them. Controller failures should be easily handled when they happen. |
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| 17:46.48 | phorce1 | jhutchins_lt: no motherboard raid --- I will not create a raid using a motherboard chipset |
| 17:47.36 | jhutchins_lt | Theoretically, but I've seen the controllers change enough - even from adaptec - that a compatible replacement wasn't available, I've seen the problem corrupt the array so that even if you replaced the controller the array was unrecoverable, and I've seen a fair number of bad Adaptec SCSI controllers. |
| 17:47.46 | petekaz | thewanderer1: well, that may have been a good idea, but I had already created a VG to add it to to see if I could get anythnig, it I see that VG info in the header now. oh well. |
| 17:48.07 | pipeline | petekaz, thewanderer1 : there is a way to persuade the tools to dump the configuration to a text file of some kind |
| 17:48.21 | pipeline | petekaz, thewanderer1 : in which case you could see a human-readable version of the header |
| 17:48.36 | thewanderer1 | pipeline: well, I thought it would be human-readable on the disk |
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| 17:48.54 | pipeline | thewanderer1: haha no, although I have in fact done work with a hex editor, I would not call it "human readable" |
| 17:49.07 | petekaz | what if I just create a new LV the full size of the disk and see if I can mount whatever is left there? I can't imagine having more than one LV on this removeable drive. |
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| 17:49.19 | phorce1 | jhutchins_lt: that's when I lie and tell the customer they must have had a power spike and it killed both drives |
| 17:49.27 | pipeline | petekaz: it could be a fraction of a larger LV |
| 17:49.40 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: I've never, ever, ever had that problem with adaptec/lsi |
| 17:49.48 | petekaz | pipeline: it would never have been as this was a drive I would unplug ferquently. |
| 17:50.04 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: provided controller #2 was newer than #1, and excluding "cluster" systems, I have NEVER had a compatibility issue |
| 17:50.08 | petekaz | pipeline: whatever is on this drive was completely isolated to it. |
| 17:50.26 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: likewise, on adaptec 'cluster' models, I've never had a compatibility issue staying within the 'cluster' line |
| 17:50.38 | jhutchins_lt | I have. |
| 17:50.42 | pipeline | petekaz: yeah, but if you always used it on the same pc, it could be a single LV that appeared and disappeared |
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| 17:52.19 | petekaz | wait a second ... I just found the output of my fstab on my former machine .. I saved it just in case. |
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| 17:52.43 | petekaz | And this external drive was an ext4 partition. |
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| 17:53.18 | jackweb | Is it possible to change color of messages* to green?; *messages while booting the Linux |
| 17:53.36 | jackweb | s/the Linux/Debian/ |
| 17:53.37 | petekaz | and I mounted it on my old machine via rc.local which contained: mount -t ext4 /dev/sdb1 /backup |
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| 18:29.24 | mischief | dpkg, tell mischief about tmux |
| 18:29.42 | mischief | why the hell isn't tmux in the repos D: |
| 18:30.04 | babilen | ,versions tmux |
| 18:30.05 | judd | Package tmux on i386 -- lenny-backports: 1.3-2~bpo50+1; sid: 1.3-2; squeeze: 1.3-2; experimental: 1.4-3 |
| 18:30.26 | geekosopher | !tmux |
| 18:30.27 | dpkg | from memory, tmux is a "terminal multiplexer", it enables a number of terminals (or windows) to be accessed and controlled from a single terminal. tmux is intended to be a simple, modern, BSD-licensed alternative to programs such as GNU screen. http://sourceforge.net/projects/tmux |
| 18:30.46 | thewanderer1 | heh. byobu is more shiny anyway :P |
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| 18:31.31 | SNow | what does: TVD_FW_GRAPHIC_NAME_LONG mean? |
| 18:31.32 | geekosopher | thewanderer1: agreed :) |
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| 18:34.28 | anao | hello@all does anyone knows kernel-source-i686 for via-c3 cpu without cmov command |
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| 18:40.29 | jelly-home | anao: kernel sources are one and the same for each binary flavor built (-486, -686, -686-bigmem...) |
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| 18:44.43 | anao | @jelly-home thanks is there a precompiles i686-kernel for download? cause i486 seems slow down the c3-Via |
| 18:44.59 | linduxed | lets say that i've got a group called G1, and that it looks in /etc/group like i'm added to that group, and still i cant get into a folder that is owned by G1 |
| 18:45.29 | linduxed | i say "looks like" because i may have messed up my /etc/group or something |
| 18:45.37 | linduxed | some stray character somewhere |
| 18:45.57 | linduxed | is there any way to check /etc/groups sanity? |
| 18:45.59 | cahoot | linduxed: groups linuxed syas you're member? |
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| 18:46.31 | linduxed | cahoot: yes |
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| 18:47.16 | linduxed | cahoot: waaaait a minute |
| 18:47.35 | linduxed | cahoot: why is that line not parsed or something |
| 18:48.05 | linduxed | cahoot: cat /etc/group | grep linduxed does not list me in G1 |
| 18:48.15 | linduxed | cahoot: something is very wrong with the file |
| 18:48.32 | thewanderer1 | linduxed: getent group - see if this differs |
| 18:48.41 | thewanderer1 | it basically parses the file I think |
| 18:48.54 | thewanderer1 | you can also run `id -a username` and see all his properties |
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| 19:05.15 | SolomonKull | Calibre is too much for my needs, and also requires Qt libs that I dont want on my box. |
| 19:05.20 | SolomonKull | :( |
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| 19:28.38 | gp5st | so, i can't use 'tail -c +n -c m' can i? |
| 19:29.27 | neibo | Anyone knows wich packages to install to get mkisofs,cdrecord and afio on squeeze? |
| 19:30.47 | daemonkeeper | mkisofs, cdrecord and afio |
| 19:30.50 | daemonkeeper | What a surprise |
| 19:30.54 | neibo | :) |
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| 19:31.10 | daemonkeeper | By the way: apt-file ist great to answer such questions yourself. |
| 19:31.14 | neibo | i am trying to get working mondorescue |
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| 19:33.04 | thewanderer1 | how do I display a passive notification window in KDE? |
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| 19:34.02 | SolomonKull | zenity? |
| 19:34.22 | thewanderer1 | err no, KDE |
| 19:34.23 | neibo | thanks daemonkeeper, i 'll take a look on apt-file |
| 19:34.25 | SolomonKull | but its gtk, sorry |
| 19:35.08 | SolomonKull | appropos? |
| 19:35.15 | SolomonKull | ** apropos? |
| 19:35.20 | thewanderer1 | cause I now have a very stupid program that listens to IPv6 multicasts... acts like WinPopup but for Debian and without WinPopup :P |
| 19:35.32 | SolomonKull | kdialog and whiptail, too. |
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| 19:35.34 | thewanderer1 | and I need a way to display content to users |
| 19:35.41 | thewanderer1 | well trying kdialog now |
| 19:36.22 | thewanderer1 | oh, remotely it's unable to use the notification |
| 19:36.29 | thewanderer1 | but locally --passive popup works |
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| 19:39.43 | bododo | Hi folks :) |
| 19:39.48 | bododo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:39.49 | bododo | Share on Facebook Share on Twitter |
| 19:40.08 | bododo | sorry, copy/paste fail |
| 19:40.23 | bododo | I wanted to paste a question I posted on a site. sorry again |
| 19:40.57 | SolomonKull | You'd better be sorry, pal! That's a threat! BE AFRAID! |
| 19:40.58 | amphi | !forgive bododo |
| 19:40.59 | dpkg | Well, bododo boy, I guess I could do that. But I believe forgiving is God's job, I'm just arranging the meeting. *blows bododo head apart with .44 magnum* |
| 19:40.59 | SolomonKull | ;) |
| 19:41.31 | bododo | :D |
| 19:41.44 | bododo | I beg your mercy guys |
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| 19:42.01 | SolomonKull | Kneel before Zod...err..I mean ME. |
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| 19:42.17 | bododo | Zod? wait, I was a fedora once :) |
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| 19:42.43 | amphi | bododo: you claim you were a hat⦠|
| 19:43.07 | amphi | what are you now? |
| 19:43.14 | bododo | amphi: no, well, yes, I'm sorry again |
| 19:43.26 | bododo | I'm a deamon, wannabe one |
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| 19:43.32 | amphi | perhaps you should ask your question |
| 19:43.58 | bododo | :) |
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| 19:45.02 | bododo | So I have this very debian laptop connected to the Internet via its wlan though my wireless router, and I have an old celeron with only one eth0 iface, I want to make that celeron (a freebsd) _use_ my debian access to the Internet |
| 19:45.30 | bododo | daemonkeeper: good one, sir! mde me laught :) |
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| 19:45.51 | amphi | !ipmasq |
| 19:45.52 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ . The ipmasq package was removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #538384. |
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| 19:46.25 | bododo | amphi: but I read the other day about network bridging, won't this do the trick? |
| 19:46.39 | bododo | confesses his noob'ness |
| 19:46.55 | bododo | http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections |
| 19:47.36 | jordanm | bododo: yes, ipmasq just provides an easier way to do it (lenny only) |
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| 19:48.18 | bododo | jordanm: I'm on Sid :( and actually I wonder what to do on the freebsd machine too |
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| 19:49.17 | jordanm | bododo: give it a valid IP on the same network as the debian box and set the debian box as the default route |
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| 19:50.34 | bododo | jordanm: say, my wlan0's IP is 192.168.1.8 and my eth0 (I can set it to be 10.0.0.1) so the freebsd's fxp0 can be set to say 10.0.0.2 |
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| 19:50.51 | bododo | then I add a route in freebsd to use 10.0.0.1? |
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| 19:51.07 | jordanm | bododo: yes |
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| 19:51.58 | bododo | jordanm: ah! thanks, then I should NAT or bridge my debian's eth0 and wlan0? |
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| 19:52.31 | jordanm | bododo: yes |
| 19:52.46 | thewanderer1 | look, you don't bridge different IP networks with one another |
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| 19:53.21 | bododo | thewanderer1: ah... so they shouldn't be 10.... and 192... ? |
| 19:53.54 | thewanderer1 | you can set routing between them, or integrate them into 1 network |
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| 19:53.59 | thewanderer1 | depending on your goals |
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| 19:54.51 | thewanderer1 | but I don't think bridging is supported on commodity (laptop) WiFi cards in Linux |
| 19:54.54 | jordanm | thewanderer1: that guide NATs between the two networks |
| 19:54.54 | bododo | thewanderer1: my goal is to make the bsd machine use the debian's access to the Internet. From my little knowledge I guess it's about either NAT or bridging? |
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| 19:55.38 | thewanderer1 | the only real way to go about it is NAT, which is fugly but bridging is defunct with WiFi :( |
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| 19:56.36 | bododo | thewanderer1: I heard about ebtables for wifi-eth bridging... and to be honest, NAT scares me a little bit (I'm a real n00b abt networking and iptables) |
| 19:57.06 | thewanderer1 | well... you *could* invent a hack to bridge this in some way |
| 19:57.18 | thewanderer1 | but then it'd be an even bigger hack than NAT |
| 19:57.52 | jordanm | thewanderer1: he is just wanting to share his wiki connection with another machine. it was my understanding thats exactly what that guide is for |
| 19:58.01 | jordanm | I have done that setup, but for a virtual machine |
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| 19:59.10 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: yes... but I doubt bridging will work with WiFi, hence my recommendation for NAT |
| 19:59.21 | bododo | thanks again jordanm and thewanderer1 I'll take a serious look at NAT and like a man UNDERSTAND it :) |
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| 20:16.56 | mutante | arr, talk about KISS , when looking at all those xmms2 packages, what if i just miss the original "xmms" and want that kind of GUI |
| 20:19.07 | VampX | I am getting "Failure: Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker.", when trying to get debian squeeze di rc1 powerpc kde ISO. I keep getting the same message on Transmission and BitTorrent clients on a Mac. What could be wrong? |
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| 20:26.15 | thewanderer1 | mutante: apt-get install mpd mpc - now this is KISS |
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| 20:29.47 | babilen | prefers ncmpcpp |
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| 20:30.07 | mutante | thewanderer1: thanks, trying |
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| 20:30.39 | thewanderer1 | there are dozens of clients, even in PHP :P |
| 20:31.09 | babilen | ncmpcpp being the best though ;-þ |
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| 20:33.18 | thewanderer1 | dunno... I once wrote a client that was supposed to run on a 4x20 display for a buddy cause he had a hd44780 LCD mounted on his windowsill and a keyboard attached |
| 20:33.19 | babilen | http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Clients |
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| 20:44.42 | thewanderer1 | can I run squeeze comfortably in 64MB memory? |
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| 20:45.33 | babilen | hmm, my guts say maybe (not) |
| 20:46.02 | babilen | http://www.emdebian.org/ |
| 20:46.15 | thewanderer1 | well I'd rather not spend the rest of my life setting it up :P |
| 20:46.44 | thewanderer1 | besides, "Therefore, an old PC with a reasonably large hard drive (or a capacity to use a modern multi-gigabyte hard drive) is not likely to benefit from Emdebian." |
| 20:46.52 | thewanderer1 | I have as much disk storage as I want... |
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| 20:47.05 | babilen | just not enough RAM ... |
| 20:47.11 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
| 20:47.16 | Polleke | just wanted to note that it's extremelly impressive of Debian (espcially the initrd package) to be able to copy an install of one machine to another machine with completely different hardware, from raid to scsi and from normal partitions to LVM. All remotely, with relative ease |
| 20:47.43 | thewanderer1 | I'm just trying to build an internet here and my machine has 4GB RAM... |
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| 20:48.31 | babilen | thewanderer1: I would try it. I can't recall the memory footprint of a new minimal installation, but it might just work. |
| 20:48.32 | jhutchins_lt | VampX: Not sure just what causes that message, but there probably aren't any seeders for the ppc iso. |
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| 20:48.45 | jhutchins_lt | VampX: You're probably better off just downloading it from a mirror. |
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| 20:49.01 | jhutchins_lt | !clone |
| 20:49.02 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 20:49.10 | jhutchins_lt | !clone install |
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| 20:49.47 | batrick | wow I've never seen a channel is full before |
| 20:50.27 | jhutchins_lt | !debian clone |
| 20:50.27 | dpkg | One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup>. |
| 20:50.49 | jhutchins_lt | Polleke: Oh, you mean you did this successfully. |
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| 20:51.50 | Polleke | jhutchins_lt, yeh not in that way though. I rsynced the entire installation over.. too much custom stuff |
| 20:52.47 | thewanderer1 | well, how would I install about 10 Debian machines quickly? I'm in KVM |
| 20:52.56 | thewanderer1 | so as to not duplicate the process |
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| 20:57.41 | eft | jhutchins: that method of recreating the packages on another machine looks perfect for my current need |
| 20:58.07 | eft | I have a debian instance on a vps and I want to clone it to a local vm |
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| 20:58.32 | eft | I was wondering how to get the same packages on the vm |
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| 20:58.40 | eft | any other tips :) |
| 20:58.45 | complete | Good Evening! When I know the ID of a process, can i found it the title of its window in gnome? |
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| 21:01.16 | thewanderer1 | random tip: when sending IPv6 multicasts to link-local addresses, you have to provide a scope ID in connect() syscall, otherwise send() will return an error... but I braved it and now my IPv6 LAN announcer is complete mwahaha |
| 21:01.20 | babilen | complete: You are probably looking for "xprop" (run it and click on the window in question) |
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| 21:01.49 | complete | babilen: i cannot click. im on the machine via ssh. i want the title of firefox window. |
| 21:02.09 | b0gatyr | hi everyone, so there's a server at work that sends automated emails with sendmail, trying to find the configuration file " sendmail.cf" but can't find it, any clues ? i need to change some config paramaters |
| 21:02.19 | thewanderer1 | complete: well what if an app has 20 windows? |
| 21:02.27 | ElDiabolo | Did anybody test an ocz revodrive on squeeze? Did it work with grub? |
| 21:02.37 | complete | thewanderer1: no idea |
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| 21:02.55 | starenka | hi, how can i disable bt kernel module? |
| 21:03.02 | thewanderer1 | starenka: rmmod bt |
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| 21:03.10 | dvs | starenka: BLACKLIST IT |
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| 21:03.18 | dvs | oops. don't mean to yell |
| 21:03.29 | starenka | dvs: yes, that was the word... thanks |
| 21:03.35 | thewanderer1 | dvs: you should have yelled THERE'S AN APP FOR THAT, heh |
| 21:03.38 | qknight | hello. just asked in #ubuntu an hour ago. i have an ubuntu packge and i would like to get it downstream. i have only tested the package on ubuntu yet. i would like to test it on ubuntu now, what tools do i need (i have all the things for ubuntu deployment)? |
| 21:03.43 | dvs | NO PRO... I mean no problem |
| 21:03.53 | qknight | i would like to get it into debian (downstream) |
| 21:03.54 | dvs | heh |
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| 21:04.07 | thewanderer1 | complete: perhaps that's the reason it's not obvious how to get a window title outside of X :) |
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| 21:04.55 | thewanderer1 | complete: try "xwininfo -root -tree" - it'll show you a nice tree |
| 21:04.56 | starenka | dvs: what should i put in modprobe than? |
| 21:05.12 | starenka | dvs: just bt? |
| 21:05.21 | starenka | sorry for my noobishness |
| 21:05.33 | dvs | starenka: in a file in /etc/modprobe.d/, put "blacklist bt" |
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| 21:06.16 | ElDiabolo | starenka, You could name that fike local.conf , thats what I do. |
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| 21:06.24 | dvs | fike? |
| 21:06.30 | dvs | feels like going fishing |
| 21:06.33 | thewanderer1 | actually isn't there a blacklist.conf ? |
| 21:06.40 | starenka | yes it is |
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| 21:06.55 | dvs | thewanderer1: there is but I'm afraid that dpkg might overwrite it. |
| 21:07.04 | ElDiabolo | thewanderer1, yes, but thats maintained by debian, isn't it? |
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| 21:07.38 | thewanderer1 | sure, but all standard config files are :P |
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| 21:09.00 | complete | thewanderer1: xwininfo: unable to open display '' |
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| 21:09.10 | dvs | thewanderer1: blacklist.conf is a file in the udev package so it will be overwritten. |
| 21:09.39 | starenka | thank you all |
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| 21:09.57 | dvs | starenka: you didn't put it in blacklist.conf did you? |
| 21:10.07 | thewanderer1 | complete: obviously you need to execute this as the same user as your window, and export DISPLAY accordingly... |
| 21:11.11 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Did you ever find your network alert program? |
| 21:11.32 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Netmessage or whatever? |
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| 21:11.49 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: I know you can send with samba and that there are winpopup clients for linux. |
| 21:11.52 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: I put up something involving netcat6, a custom PHP listening script, and an on-screen notifier using KDE's kdialog |
| 21:12.00 | thewanderer1 | it's kindof working |
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| 21:12.21 | thewanderer1 | I think I'll run a system-wide daemon and multiplex it with `wall`, since KDE receives wall messages, though |
| 21:12.26 | complete | thewanderer1: what means export display? |
| 21:12.29 | dvs | starenka: you didn't put it in blacklist.conf did you? |
| 21:12.45 | complete | thewanderer1: i run firefox in gnome. but then i want to see the firefox title when im logged in via ssh. |
| 21:12.57 | starenka | dvs: i did, but i made what you suggested and deleted it ;) |
| 21:13.07 | dvs | good! ;-) |
| 21:13.11 | starenka | im confused.... |
| 21:13.14 | starenka | oot@kosmik1:/home/starenka# lsmod | grep blue |
| 21:13.16 | dvs | make a new file |
| 21:13.16 | starenka | bluetooth 36319 1 btusb |
| 21:13.16 | thewanderer1 | complete: you need to have the X display variable set to whatever your desktop has its set - by default under GDM/GNOME it's "export DISPLAY=:0" |
| 21:13.17 | starenka | rfkill 10264 3 bluetooth,cfg80211,thinkpad_acpi |
| 21:13.40 | starenka | dvs: i made a reboot, but i still can see something hanging there... |
| 21:13.55 | starenka | (also btusb) |
| 21:13.56 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: I couldn't be bothered with the Samba's mess :P |
| 21:14.24 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Apparently there's a stand-alone netmessage program. |
| 21:14.33 | dvs | starenka: so, blacklist it too |
| 21:14.35 | complete | thewanderer1: xwininfo: unable to open display ':0' |
| 21:14.49 | starenka | dvs: blootooth and btusb, right? |
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| 21:15.09 | dvs | starenka: sure |
| 21:15.15 | complete | thewanderer1: looks like display is :1.0 |
| 21:15.41 | starenka | my first idea was to not to mess up w/ system and turn it off in bios, but can't find such option on my thinkpad :( |
| 21:15.50 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: yeah. not in Debian though... |
| 21:15.54 | complete | thewanderer1: when I export that, the xwininfo command WORKS!!!! |
| 21:15.58 | complete | thewanderer1: thank you so much! |
| 21:15.59 | thewanderer1 | complete: wow wow :P |
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| 21:16.35 | complete | thewanderer1: fucking amazing! |
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| 21:18.01 | starenka | dvs: just to be sure. unloading kernel module STOPS the device, right? (don't want the bt to drain my battery) |
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| 21:18.26 | starenka | (cause the bt led is still on no matter what bt module i remove from kernel) |
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| 21:18.42 | complete | thewanderer1: this way, i now can see that my application runs a bit faster when i minimize the firefox window. even when i dont look at it over vnc. |
| 21:18.44 | thewanderer1 | starenka: it largely depends on hardware |
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| 21:19.08 | thewanderer1 | starenka: `find /sys -name led*` and play with them lights |
| 21:19.16 | dvs | starenka: It does let programs use the device for sure but I'm not sure if it will cut power to it. |
| 21:19.29 | dvs | It does not |
| 21:19.40 | thewanderer1 | perhaps it's just the LED |
| 21:19.47 | starenka | dvs: well i don't care about the led if the bt is off in fact.... |
| 21:20.00 | thewanderer1 | starenka: oh wait, are you on a ThinkPad? |
| 21:20.03 | dvs | starenka: No programs can use it now. |
| 21:20.07 | starenka | but i will explore.... thanks for being so generous in help |
| 21:20.15 | starenka | thewanderer1: yes |
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| 21:20.22 | thewanderer1 | on a ThinkPad it's handled by smapi or thinkpad_acpi I think |
| 21:20.28 | thewanderer1 | look for rfkill in /sys |
| 21:20.56 | thewanderer1 | also, the bluetooth applets in GNOME/KDE should allow you to turn it off - but it works with a probabilistic outcome :P |
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| 21:21.16 | jelly-home | starenka: there might be a nonstandard /proc/acpi/ibm/bluetooth instead |
| 21:21.16 | amphi | starenka: or 'echo disable > /proc/acpi/ibm/bluetooth' |
| 21:21.48 | jelly-home | that works on my 2005 thinkpad |
| 21:21.52 | starenka | amphi: bingo |
| 21:22.01 | thewanderer1 | wow |
| 21:22.04 | starenka | amphi: works on x200 also |
| 21:22.29 | thewanderer1 | doesn't have a ThinkPad since he thought that connecting the inverter backwards would be a good idea |
| 21:22.39 | jelly-home | there's also other funky stuff in /proc/acpi/ibm/ |
| 21:22.46 | amphi | starenka: x61s here |
| 21:22.54 | dimir | wow! |
| 21:22.58 | thewanderer1 | well I don't think IBM is the current interface |
| 21:22.59 | dimir | x61s here also! |
| 21:23.03 | thewanderer1 | but if it works for you... :P |
| 21:23.14 | starenka | jelly-home: f.e? |
| 21:23.24 | amphi | dimir: the last 4:3 panel stinkpad :( |
| 21:23.28 | jelly-home | starenka: take a peek yourself! |
| 21:23.38 | dimir | amphi: love it! |
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| 21:23.43 | starenka | jelly-home: hah, i can use those leds for email norification, rhahahaha |
| 21:23.49 | jelly-home | messing with the fan / pwm on some models |
| 21:23.55 | amphi | dimir: yes, it's a great little machine |
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| 21:24.49 | starenka | jelly-home: wow! thanks mate |
| 21:24.53 | dimir | amphi: ze greit! |
| 21:25.06 | jelly-home | starenka: thinkwiki.org usually has info about each model capabilities |
| 21:25.32 | babilen | great site (for wonderful laptops) |
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| 21:26.22 | jelly-home | (note: user provided data may be old or incomplete. May contain small parts unsuitable for children under the age of 3.) |
| 21:26.30 | amphi | starenka: I have the thinklight blink when someone highlights me in irssi |
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| 21:27.21 | starenka | amphi: im just thinking about hooking this to TTYtter |
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| 21:27.53 | jelly-home | wott |
| 21:28.19 | babilen | amphi: I like that. How do you do it? |
| 21:28.22 | jelly-home | probably some twitter client that outputs the messages in Morse |
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| 21:29.27 | starenka | jelly-home: morse, no... just flashing for me, thanks |
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| 21:30.09 | amphi | babilen: I use talktome.pl to invoke a small script to blink the thinklight |
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| 21:30.43 | jelly-home | a tome of talking. |
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| 21:30.53 | amphi | babilen: echo 1 > /sys/class/leds/tpacpi::thinklight/brightness; sleep .5; echo 0 > /sys/class/leds/tpacpi::thinklight/brightness |
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| 21:30.59 | babilen | amphi: Care to share the .... thanks :) |
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| 21:31.36 | dvs | no sleep at the end? |
| 21:31.49 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 21:32.32 | amphi | babilen: /etc/sysfs.conf gives adm group write perms to that sysfs file |
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| 21:33.14 | amphi | babilen: I forget where I found talktome.pl, irssi.org perhaps |
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| 21:33.49 | babilen | amphi: http://www.pseudoberries.com/blog/?page_id=87 + http://www.pseudoberries.com/software/irssi/flash-thinklight.sh :) |
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| 21:35.08 | amphi | that's the one |
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| 21:35.49 | babilen | Now, if I could only set the URGENT flag for my WM ... |
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| 21:36.13 | amphi | what wm? |
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| 21:36.52 | babilen | awesomewm / xmonad -- but I'm using awsome right now. gnome-terminal as terminal and irssi inside screen. |
| 21:37.28 | babilen | But give me a second as I want to smoke one. I'll be back in a second. Feel free to dump information on me :) |
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| 21:39.51 | amphi | babilen: I use xmonad, but I haven't used any urgencyHooks |
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| 21:41.42 | spudpnds | Hi guys. I'm on my production database machine, and I need to look at some perl documenation. So I run "apt-get perl-doc". This has the effect of shutting down MySQL on my production server, causing me much pain. http://pastebin.com/95n03Gam Can anyone tell me why this happened? |
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| 21:42.10 | babilen | amphi: I'll take it to a different channel. talktome + blinklights is nice :) |
| 21:42.23 | amphi | good-oh ;) |
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| 21:44.18 | spudpnds | Any takers? I'm a DBA consultant, and this made me look like a fucking idiot. Really hurt me. I'm just trying to undertand what I did wrong? |
| 21:44.38 | spudpnds | To make matters worse the database was filled with dirty buffers, and it took like 10 minutes to shut down. |
| 21:47.39 | babilen | spudpnds: I'll be with you in some minutes. Others might be available now. It does not look related to perl-doc, but rather to unconfigured mysql packages. dpkg -l "mysql*" should list the package status â http://paste.debian.net -- Would it be OK to restart/shut down the database? |
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| 21:49.06 | lolufail | hi! |
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| 21:49.33 | MJD | spudpnds: Its probably because it took so long for mysql to shutdown that the init script timeout or the package configure script timed out. Try stopping the database server and running 'dpkg --configure -a' (without quotes). That will cause dpkg to try to configure all unconfigured packages and should get mysql running again. |
| 21:49.36 | spudpnds | babilen: thanks very much. you'll understand if I'm a bit gun-shy about any package management at the moment. |
| 21:49.54 | lolufail | it seems the squeeze ldap ignores 'include some.schema' statements... I'm not sure why |
| 21:50.27 | lolufail | sry if that's been answered already, ldap fucked my brain |
| 21:50.30 | spudpnds | MJD: It got it to start again thanks. I didn't set up this machine, it looks like the heart of my problem is that the mysql package status wasn't quite right. |
| 21:51.05 | babilen | spudpnds: That is exactly the problem. brb |
| 21:51.28 | spudpnds | MJD: and when I installed perl-doc, the package manager realized that and tried to solve the problem with the package, by stopping mysql. |
| 21:52.23 | MJD | spudpnds: Probably. Something might be wrong with the mysql upgrade on that server. If mysql is running again, I'd say try cloning the server and seeing if you can get it working on another machine. If something is broken in the upgrade it will be hard to diagnose without killing mysql again. |
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| 21:58.29 | spudpnds | Thanks for the friendly help guys, I really apprecaite it. |
| 21:58.36 | babilen | spudpnds: So, back. Could you paste the dpkg -l output please? Would it be OK to restart or shutdown the database? If so, run the command MJD suggested (dpkg --configure --pending) and paste it's output as well. |
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| 21:59.09 | spudpnds | babilen: I would, but this DB is in production, and it must remain up. |
| 21:59.11 | babilen | That will configure all unpacked but not yet configured packages. |
| 21:59.28 | babilen | spudpnds: pity |
| 21:59.44 | spudpnds | babilen: so packages can be installed, yet unconfigured. |
| 21:59.46 | babilen | Whoever installed those packages did something wrong. |
| 21:59.53 | spudpnds | babilen: That sounds right. |
| 22:00.30 | spudpnds | babilen: so when I asked to install perl-doc, the package manager realized that mysql was unconfigured, and figured it'd be a good time to do something about it. |
| 22:00.43 | spudpnds | i.e. shut down mysql, and ask me to configure it. |
| 22:00.46 | babilen | spudpnds: exactly |
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| 22:01.24 | spudpnds | ok, cool. i understand now, thanks a lot. |
| 22:02.06 | spudpnds | I think it might be a helpful feature if the package manager asked if you wanted to configure it now, prior to stopping the service. |
| 22:02.13 | blueyed | Can somebody help me with building the (Squeeze) kernel package with a custom config? |
| 22:02.28 | blueyed | I am basically doing "fakeroot make -f debian/rules.gen binary-arch_amd64_openvz_amd64 DEBIAN_KERNEL_JOBS=2" and it worked, |
| 22:02.29 | babilen | no, not ask you to configure it, but run some Debian scripts that will configure the package, which *might* involve user interaction. You can see them in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ -- the *.postinst ones |
| 22:02.50 | spudpnds | I see. |
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| 22:05.43 | babilen | That does not really solve your problem though. Do you have a maintainence window schedules, or is it of uttermost importance that the DB keeps on running indefinitely? |
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| 22:05.57 | babilen | s/schedules/scheduled |
| 22:06.08 | frikinz | what happens if among my 192.168.1.0/24 there is one machine which has a netmask of 255.0.0.0? No problem if it only tries to access 192.168.1.0/24 right? |
| 22:06.32 | jelly-home | frikinz: it will have issues connecting to other machine in some situations. |
| 22:06.51 | thewanderer1 | well, it shouldn't have issues... |
| 22:07.01 | frikinz | jelly-home: it might not go to the default route for say 192.168.2.0 ? |
| 22:07.19 | jelly-home | frikinz: I mean besides that. |
| 22:07.55 | frikinz | jelly-home: issues in 192.168.1.x ? ouch like what? |
| 22:08.27 | spudpnds | babilen: yes. needs to keep running, we might be able to have a maint window in a week or so. |
| 22:08.36 | spudpnds | babilen: obviously we should refrain from any package management until we solve. |
| 22:08.37 | jelly-home | frikinz: any protocol that uses the b'cast address (older SMB) will be broken |
| 22:09.24 | frikinz | jelly-home: ok right I forgot about not unicast |
| 22:09.34 | frikinz | jelly-home: thewanderer1 thanks |
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| 22:10.02 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: well, broadcasts will be delivered anyway |
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| 22:10.20 | jelly-home | OR WILL THEY |
| 22:10.37 | dvs | !tell blueyed about kp |
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| 22:11.48 | dvs | yikes! |
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| 22:12.27 | blueyed | dvs: thanks. however, I do not want to build the upstream kernel, but the (patched) one from Debian (with some custom config). |
| 22:12.31 | babilen | spudpnds: That would be best. I wonder why you run into this right now, after apparently running the DB for quite some time. But let me have a look at the scripts that are actually going to be executed. Could you paste the postinst scripts of everything mysql to http://paste.debian.net please |
| 22:13.23 | dvs | blueyed: I've never done that before but I think it's along the lines of "apt-source build linux-2.6" |
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| 22:14.18 | babilen | spudpnds: I take it that the DB is configured the way you want it to and that basically every configuration done by Debian is probably unneeded or even unwanted? If so, one option would be to actually edit those script, so they exit gracefully which will cause dpkg to think "Ah, everyhting is fine now" -- Note however, that some of those scripts might contain important things that have probably not been performed. |
| 22:14.32 | spudpnds | babilen: actually this is a new DB machine that just replaced our old master. |
| 22:14.46 | spudpnds | babilen: so it doesn't surprise me that things weren't setup 100% |
| 22:15.16 | spudpnds | babilen: yes. our my.cnf was copied over from the previous production db. |
| 22:15.26 | babilen | spudpnds: You could then let dpkg "configure" those packages with "dpkg --configure --pending" let the (edited!) scripts do their little nothing and (if needed) run those script during the maintainence window |
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| 22:15.55 | spudpnds | babilen: ok. I thnk that might work. I just need to figure out how to make that edit to tell it that everything was ok. |
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| 22:16.32 | spudpnds | like perhaps an exit 0 at the start of the script? |
| 22:16.39 | babilen | spudpnds: The scripts will probably also create users, setup some clusters and all that, but I am not the mysql maintainer and don't know them very well. That would just be one way to get your packaging system to work again *without* disrupting the service. |
| 22:17.31 | cesurasean | Can anyone tell me why I can't get samba to work connecting with Win7! I am seeing this error in the error logs: getpeername failed. Error was Transport endpoint is not connected |
| 22:17.33 | babilen | spudpnds: Just "exit 0" at the beginning of the script. But *take a look at those scripts* and discuss what it would have done and if anything in there is still necessary. |
| 22:17.48 | spudpnds | roger that. |
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| 22:22.15 | babilen | spudpnds: So the plan is something like this: 1. Read /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql* (probably only the postinst) 2. Edit selected scripts (probably just the mysql-server-5.0 and mysql-server ones) 3. Run "dpkg --configure --pending" and (optionally) "aptitude install" / "aptitude keep-all" 4. PROFIT 5. Maintainence: revert edits and (optional) run scripts again |
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| 22:22.55 | babilen | spudpnds: If you could paste the output of 'dpkg -l "mysql*"' I could tell you exactly which scripts to edit. |
| 22:23.08 | E-bola | tries to upgrade his etch server to lenny one more time |
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| 22:25.18 | babilen | spudpnds: I just took a (short) look at the preinst/postinst of mysql-server-5.0 and the preinst of mysql-server -- They are quite, well, complicated and it would be good idea to think hard if what is going on there is wanted/needed. |
| 22:25.20 | E-bola | http://paste.debian.net/104914/ |
| 22:25.32 | E-bola | Anybody have time to look at that? I cant get debian etch to upgrade to lenny |
| 22:25.50 | babilen | spudpnds: Note that those scripts *will* run eventually if those packages are upgraded, so it would be a good idea to prepare for that as well. |
| 22:26.05 | spudpnds | babilen: understood. thanks. |
| 22:26.14 | babilen | spudpnds: Good luck! |
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| 22:26.50 | spudpnds | babilen: awesome support btw, very much apprecaited |
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| 22:27.53 | nickgaw | Hi, with simple-cdd I can't find the simple-cdd.conf or any default.conf file to customise the debian installer either what installer to load or the place to put custom boot options? |
| 22:28.13 | blueyed | dvs: it does not look like make-kpkg works with integrating the Debian OpenVZ patch. JFI. |
| 22:28.23 | babilen | You are welcome. I would like to add that this is just what *I* came up with and that there might be other/better options. I would actually come back another time and/or write a mail to debian-user to get second opinions. |
| 22:28.26 | project2501a | is anybody on pcc64? do you have gcc in native 64bit mode? |
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| 22:28.38 | thewanderer1 | blueyed: heh yeah I could never get it to compile |
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| 22:34.10 | frikinz | E-bola: you probably need to reinstall libstdc++ manually (using "dpkg -i" or "ar x") |
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| 22:38.07 | E-bola | frikinz: thanks, for taking the time to look at my pastebin. Hmm so by manualy, that would mean i need to download the .deb first then? |
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| 22:39.17 | frikinz | E-bola: yes. from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/.. |
| 22:39.43 | E-bola | I will try, any idea why its not able to handle it all automatically? |
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| 22:40.29 | thewanderer1 | if I'm netbooting from NFS, do I need portmap? |
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| 22:42.21 | frikinz | isn't portmap needed on NFS /servers/ ? |
| 22:43.01 | E-bola | frikinz: reinstalling libstdc++ doesnt do anything :( |
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| 22:43.13 | E-bola | same error |
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| 22:43.45 | thewanderer1 | frikinz: nfs-common pulls in portmap automatically |
| 22:44.03 | thewanderer1 | but your statement is true as well |
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| 22:44.37 | jhutchins | Nobody really knows what portmap is for. |
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| 22:45.15 | thewanderer1 | yes, but at least NFS4+krb5 doesn't want to work without it |
| 22:45.40 | frikinz | maps port to programs? |
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| 22:47.17 | frikinz | E-bola: try to see with ldd /usr/bin/apt-get if it says missing and what is missing |
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| 22:49.30 | frikinz | E-bola: also try to run ldconfig |
| 22:49.48 | frikinz | I think it should be part of the postinst but can't check.. |
| 22:50.19 | E-bola | ya related to ldconfig |
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| 22:50.38 | E-bola | the problem was however i had 2 different .so files for libstc++6 one in /lib and one in /usr/lib |
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| 22:50.46 | E-bola | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/180160 gave me the solution |
| 22:51.13 | E-bola | i fixed in a slightly different way, i compared with another server i have, and it only had 1 copy. So i removed the one in /lib |
| 22:51.30 | E-bola | I wonder if it will break any apps, but atleast now i dont have the glibc errors when running aptitude etc |
| 22:52.24 | jhutchins | E-bola: does aptitude -f install want to do anything now? |
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| 22:56.37 | E-bola | jhutchins: nope, but everything works now unlike before |
| 22:57.04 | jhutchins | Excellent, I think you're all set then. |
| 22:57.06 | E-bola | i wonder where that other copy of libstdc comes from, its an old server but always been using std. debian packages |
| 22:58.01 | linuxfan | I have an old Debian disk I'd like to get running again. Synaptic is broken. Can one upgrade such a distro? Or should Clyde scrap the caddy? |
| 22:58.28 | frikinz | there's this I used a few times .. http://wiki.debian.org/Cruft |
| 22:58.32 | frikinz | E-bola: ^^ |
| 22:58.42 | linuxfan | thx |
| 22:58.46 | frikinz | very very verbose |
| 22:59.28 | E-bola | frikinz: thats a nice idea, ile give that a testrun i think |
| 22:59.44 | E-bola | like a default idp program hehe |
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| 23:01.09 | E-bola | frikinz: hmm the project file says there's no released files? |
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| 23:03.46 | frikinz | E-bola: they haven't run cruft on their own repo!! :) apt-get install cruft |
| 23:04.08 | frikinz | E-bola: but don't expect too much.. you'll have to use some grep magic |
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| 23:06.02 | E-bola | Brr i need to update sooner, all these overwrite local config file questions is leaning anoyingly close to issues tomorrow when people start using the servers hehe |
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| 23:09.21 | asdfb | hi all |
| 23:09.27 | asdfb | how do i reset the root password? |
| 23:09.34 | asdfb | i forgot my root password |
| 23:09.40 | asdfb | someone mentioned about using boot loader |
| 23:09.42 | asdfb | i'm new to it |
| 23:09.44 | asdfb | please advise |
| 23:09.50 | themill | !ifrp |
| 23:09.50 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
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| 23:11.40 | asdfb | hi themill |
| 23:11.43 | asdfb | i pressed "e" |
| 23:11.48 | asdfb | it shows the following |
| 23:11.52 | asdfb | "root (hd00) |
| 23:12.14 | asdfb | "kernel /boot/vmlinuxz-2.6..... root=dev/sda ro quiet |
| 23:12.32 | asdfb | inittrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-openvz-amd64 |
| 23:12.34 | asdfb | you here themill ? |
| 23:13.46 | themill | asdfb: so use your arrow keys to move to the line that has "ro quiet" and add "init=/bin/sh" to the end of the line |
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| 23:14.15 | asdfb | done themill |
| 23:14.30 | asdfb | now what themill ? |
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| 23:15.02 | themill | asdfb: that's step 1 that dpkg mentioned done now. Keep going with the other ones |
| 23:15.06 | unkmar | xsane insane? |
| 23:15.18 | asdfb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.21 | asdfb | where should i type that? |
| 23:15.28 | asdfb | now i edited the menu |
| 23:15.33 | asdfb | exit and reset ? |
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| 23:16.03 | jhutchins_lt | themill: CAN you fsck from the grub menu? |
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| 23:16.53 | jhutchins_lt | Oh, I see, you do it from /bin/sh |
| 23:16.53 | thewanderer1 | wow, just debootstrapped Debian, copied kernel and initramfs to TFTP dir, exported root fs via NFS and the client Just Works |
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| 23:17.16 | jhutchins_lt | Ain't dat great? Just works. |
| 23:17.51 | asdfb | jhutchins_lt: |
| 23:17.53 | asdfb | thewanderer1: |
| 23:18.07 | asdfb | should i select the single user mode or non-single user mode? |
| 23:18.21 | jhutchins_lt | asdfb: Whichever one you edited. |
| 23:18.31 | asdfb | ok |
| 23:18.36 | asdfb | what should i do after that? |
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| 23:20.05 | asdfb | jhutchins_lt: |
| 23:20.19 | asdfb | i got "Authentication token lock busy000000 @ 8000-d000 error |
| 23:20.22 | asdfb | password unchagned |
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| 23:21.15 | asdfb | ok i get it |
| 23:21.16 | asdfb | thanks jhutchins_lt |
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| 23:23.48 | nickgaw | Hi, with simple-cdd I can't find the simple-cdd.conf or any default.conf file to customise the debian installer either what installer to load or the place to put custom boot options? |
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| 23:33.02 | thewanderer1 | I have a network bridge to which I'd like to connect a remote machine (over IP) - how? |
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| 23:38.32 | man_in_ltop | hugs approx |
| 23:38.44 | man_in_ltop | that's one useful piece of software :) |
| 23:38.54 | thewanderer1 | is hooked on apt-cacher-ng |
| 23:39.26 | thewanderer1 | well I'll need to set up a mirror soon anyway |
| 23:40.03 | thewanderer1 | I'll be setting up an isolated network and need to have the packages at hand... not gonna setup systems from DVDs |
| 23:40.13 | man_in_ltop | thewanderer1, i had to switch away from apt-cacher and apt-cacher-ng because they were SLOW AS HELL |
| 23:40.21 | thewanderer1 | man_in_ltop: dunno, work fine for me |
| 23:40.45 | thewanderer1 | acng saturates my link |
| 23:40.50 | man_in_ltop | i got average 50 kb/s with apt-cacher-ng |
| 23:41.03 | man_in_ltop | approx fixed that |
| 23:41.03 | thewanderer1 | O.o |
| 23:41.14 | thewanderer1 | I get about 12MB/s :P |
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| 23:41.38 | man_in_ltop | lucky you |
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| 23:42.01 | E-bola | I just upgraded from etch to lenny, and i got all the ssl key compromised warnings, and no matter how many times i regenerate the keys ssh-vulnkey keeps claiming they are compromised and i cant login with ssh |
| 23:42.06 | E-bola | anybody know what might cause this? |
| 23:42.08 | frikinz | uplink or downlink? |
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| 23:45.31 | themill | E-bola: have you upgraded libssl0.9.8 correctly? What version of that package do you have installed? |
| 23:46.31 | man_in_ltop | bah, crappy oracle servers |
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| 23:47.24 | E-bola | themill: acording to aptitude the newest available on the debian repositories |
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| 23:48.06 | themill | E-bola: "apt-cache policy libssl0.9.8" will tell you the version. Is it the server key that's the problem or your user's keys? |
| 23:48.09 | E-bola | 0.9.8g |
| 23:48.18 | daedaluz | has apt delta possibility? |
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| 23:48.30 | E-bola | themill: the server's host key. And everytime i generate a new one it keeps thats compromised as well |
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| 23:49.19 | themill | dpkg: tell daedaluz about debdelta |
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| 23:50.08 | E-bola | themill: i have 0.9.8g-15+lenny11 |
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| 23:50.50 | themill | E-bola: how are you regenerating the keys? |
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| 23:51.11 | E-bola | themill: deleting them from /etc/ssh and then running dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server |
| 23:52.09 | themill | that should be sufficient and you seem to have the right version of libssl there |
| 23:53.25 | E-bola | Yet, it keeps complaining i have compromised keys |
| 23:53.38 | E-bola | andthe fingerprint id changes everytime i regenerate them as you would expect |
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| 23:53.44 | E-bola | but it keeps they are all compromised |
| 23:53.48 | themill | E-bola: are you removing both the rsa and dsa keys? |
| 23:53.58 | E-bola | themill: i removed the whole /etc/ssh dir |
| 23:54.16 | E-bola | tried purging the packages and reinstalling |
| 23:54.20 | E-bola | nothing apears to make a difference |
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| 23:55.10 | E-bola | is there a way to make sshd ignore the blacklist? |
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| 23:55.26 | E-bola | its starting to get late and i need to get to bed, and its not a server reachable from the internet |
| 23:56.16 | man_in_ltop | E-bola, are you restarting sshd after deleting /etc/ssh? |
| 23:56.30 | E-bola | man_in_ltop: yep |
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| 23:57.17 | man_in_ltop | using the init.d script? |
| 23:57.18 | frikinz | Is vulnkey checking for ssh client weaks keys in ~/.ssh as well? |
| 23:57.26 | E-bola | man_in_ltop: yes |
| 23:57.28 | crazygir | is changing the root shell not recommended? |
| 23:57.41 | E-bola | frikinz: not sure, but its not reporting any vunerable keys besides the ones in /etc/ssh |
| 23:58.03 | E-bola | and its reporting them vunerable as soon as it generates them... i dont even have to run ssh-vulnkey to check |
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| 23:59.38 | E-bola | ... |
| 23:59.47 | man_in_ltop | you could upgrade to squeeze, as it's frozen |
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