| 00:00.13 | amphi | babilen: eh? what do you mean? |
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| 00:00.29 | babilen | Arrowmaster: Take a look at my paste. I am *trying* to set it up in /etc/default/keyboard -- And yes, I am using Squeeze |
| 00:01.08 | amphi | babilen: you could try xmodmap -e 'remove Lock = Caps_Lock' & xmodmap -e 'add Control = Caps_Lock' |
| 00:01.26 | babilen | amphi: Look at my log, Xorg.0.log has "ctrl:nocaps" .. "udevadm" lists it as well ... it just doesn't work. |
| 00:01.49 | amphi | babilen: I had done the same in console, by editing /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz |
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| 00:02.30 | amphi | babilen: dunno - my ~/.xsession still does it with xmodmap, and it still works ;) |
| 00:02.33 | babilen | amphi: I am aware of a million other ways to enable this, but my understanding right now is that modifying /etc/default/keyboard should be enough and that that file is the only sensible place to configure it nowadays. |
| 00:03.33 | amphi | babilen: I confess, I am beset by cruft ;) |
| 00:04.08 | babilen | Well, I guess I'll just file a bug against keyboard-setup, use either the xmodmap or setxkb approach and be happy. |
| 00:04.44 | Arrowmaster | it does seem strange |
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| 00:04.57 | Arrowmaster | but i dont really have much experience with this |
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| 00:06.29 | amphi | babilen: what package installed /etc/default/keyboard ? |
| 00:06.49 | amphi | babilen: it has some sinister mention of hal at the top, perhaps it only works with hal⦠|
| 00:07.11 | rava | how can i fix a package that dpkg reports as installed and unconfigured so that running apt-get install on that server doesn't cause dpkg to try and configure said package? |
| 00:07.31 | amphi | babilen: here, the file exists, but dpkg -S claims to know nothing about it, and neithe does apt-file |
| 00:07.42 | amphi | babilen: perhaps /etc/default/keyboard too is cruft ;) |
| 00:08.21 | babilen | amphi: Same situation here -- should actually belong to "keyboard-configuration" and that package ships an example file ... |
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| 00:08.33 | babilen | amphi: I'll have a look at /etc/init.d/keyboard-setup |
| 00:09.06 | Arrowmaster | amphi: its from keyboard-configuration afaik, and yeah mine mentions hal at the top but his from the paste mentions reading /usr/share/doc/keyboard-configuration/README.Debian |
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| 00:09.31 | babilen | amphi: Who knows? I just wanted to use a contemporary method. I am, in a way, quite tired of having to learn a new system every other year. First hal .fdi files, then udev rules, now ... |
| 00:10.28 | Hydroxide | babilen: a lot of those things aren't debian-specific, such as both the hal and udev examples |
| 00:10.28 | amphi | Arrowmaster: keyboard-configuration contains no such file, according to dpkg -L |
| 00:10.48 | babilen | Arrowmaster: I had the one that mentioned hal as well, but use the example file now. (#597498) |
| 00:11.00 | amphi | babilen: yes - stick with good ol' faithful xmodmap and a custom /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz ;) |
| 00:11.28 | roe | does anyone have a good reason why debian's rsyslog package defaults to logging the mail facility to: syslog, mail.log, mail.info, mail.err, and mail.warn? |
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| 00:12.09 | amphi | Arrowmaster: I suspect the /etc/default/keyboard was abandoned there by some package that was subsequently removed from testing |
| 00:12.34 | babilen | Arrowmaster, amphi: I believe that /etc/default/keyboard is installed by /var/lib/dpkg/info/keyboard-configuration.postinst |
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| 00:12.51 | themill | babilen: you might like to look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/keyboard-configuration.postinst |
| 00:13.07 | babilen | themill: I am reading that right now :) |
| 00:13.15 | Arrowmaster | yeah i think it was created by the package and just isnt marked as belonging to it |
| 00:13.24 | amphi | ah |
| 00:13.31 | themill | indeed |
| 00:14.04 | Arrowmaster | im not well versed in policy, is that something that should be changed? |
| 00:14.23 | themill | that's quite common, actually |
| 00:14.34 | babilen | I still don't understand why "ctrl:nocaps" is not working. All other CKBOPTIONS in /etc/default/keyboard are btw |
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| 00:15.01 | babilen | I might ask in #debian-x, they might know what is wrong here. |
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| 00:21.43 | rava | just over writing a default config file for a package shouldn't cause a configuration error when doing an apt-get distupgrade right? |
| 00:21.52 | jelly-home | babilen: WorksForMe |
| 00:22.08 | jelly-home | XKBOPTIONS="lv3:ralt_switch,compose:menu,grp:alt_shift_toggle,eurosign:e,ctrl:nocaps,grp:lctrl_lshift_toggle,altwin:meta_win,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" |
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| 00:22.13 | babilen | jelly-home: Gah! |
| 00:23.14 | jelly-home | xev shows Control_L |
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| 00:25.02 | jelly-home | it's also there in kbd section of xorg.conf but I believe that's just unused |
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| 00:25.32 | jelly-home | er, Section "InputDevice" with a Driver "kbd" |
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| 00:25.43 | Arrowmaster | yeah thats unused |
| 00:25.54 | Arrowmaster | especially since evdev is preferred |
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| 00:28.16 | babilen | jelly-home: That might be the reason why it works for you |
| 00:28.37 | poggle | i am intalling tht uhh |
| 00:28.39 | poggle | squeeze |
| 00:29.00 | jelly-home | babilen: (WW) AllowEmptyInput is on, devices using drivers 'kbd', 'mouse' or 'vmmouse' will be disabled. |
| 00:29.16 | poggle | this, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_live_rc1/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-sq-live-rc1-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso |
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| 00:29.23 | poggle | i sure hope that is the correct file |
| 00:29.32 | jelly-home | babilen: let's say I'm skeptical about it being in use |
| 00:30.05 | amphi | poggle: that looks like a live cd image - why not use the netinstall iso? |
| 00:30.26 | babilen | jelly-home: you mean on your system? |
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| 00:31.33 | jelly-home | yeah |
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| 00:34.29 | poggle | amphi, slow connection. already have the live cd install on a usb stick and install just finished |
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| 00:34.54 | poggle | im not going to get the netinst if that's what you're suggesting ;) |
| 00:35.04 | amphi | poggle: ah, ok |
| 00:35.24 | thepro4ever | how do i remove a package with dpkg? |
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| 00:36.14 | thepro4ever | i want to remove the package without removing all the dependencies basically |
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| 00:39.08 | sh4rm4 | is there a built-in mechanism to have scripts started on startup, without manually placing links in /etc/rc.d ? |
| 00:40.03 | sh4rm4 | something like a "startup-manager" |
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| 00:40.16 | sh4rm4 | on the console, of course |
| 00:41.19 | Arrowmaster | sh4rm4: /etc/rc.local if you really dont want to use the proper way of putting them in /etc/init.d and |
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| 00:44.45 | jelly-home | !update-rc.d |
| 00:44.45 | dpkg | update-rc.d is used to manipulate System V style init script links, which are used to stop/start system services. Read the update-rc.d man page for a good introduction to Debian's boot process. For front-ends, ask me about <rcconf>, <sysv-rc-conf>, <bum>. |
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| 00:46.13 | sh4rm4 | thanks jelly-home and Arrowmaster |
| 00:46.58 | sh4rm4 | !rcconf |
| 00:46.58 | dpkg | rcconf is a simple curses-based text user interface (TUI) frontend to <update-rc.d>, used to adjust the default <runlevel> configuration. See also <sysv-rc-conf>, <sysv-rc>. |
| 00:47.16 | Arrowmaster | i think update-rc.d isnt the proper way to do it anymore in squeeze because of insserv |
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| 00:50.47 | ice799 | hi i am using pbuilder and when i pbuilder --login --save-after-login --configfile blah, i see the message "W: hookdir /var/cache/pbuilder/hook.d does not exist, skipping" |
| 00:51.01 | ice799 | yet in my chroot i can ls /var/cache/pbuilder/hook.d and i see that it _does_ exist |
| 00:51.03 | djura-san | i have question: when i use mouse+alt (left) and move terminal while in tiling/monocle, tiling/monocle rules does not apply to moved window anymore. How to force that window to respect dwm display mode? |
| 00:51.43 | Arrowmaster | ice799: i think the hookdir has to be outside the chroot |
| 00:52.30 | ice799 | Arrowmaster: from the man page looks like they are run inside the chroot |
| 00:53.03 | sh4rm4 | !sysv-rc-conf |
| 00:53.04 | dpkg | sysv-rc-conf is a SysV init <runlevel> configuration tool, a text user interface (TUI) frontend to <update-rc.d>. It can adjust startup scripts for any runlevel. See also <rcconf>, <sysv-rc>. |
| 00:53.27 | Arrowmaster | dpkg: tell sh4rm4 about selftell |
| 00:54.06 | ice799 | Arrowmaster: or maybe they need to exist outside the chroot then pbuilder copies them into the chroot to run them? |
| 00:54.27 | djura-san | oops, wrong chat room. FAIL |
| 00:54.31 | Arrowmaster | ice799: from examples ive seen i was under the impression they were located outside of the chroot, but yeah they could be copied(or bind mounted) and run from inside it |
| 00:54.37 | djura-san | my question is for dwm :| |
| 00:54.44 | ice799 | Arrowmaster: ok ill try it thanks |
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| 01:02.00 | poggle | So my LUKS passphrase is not working on this newly installed squeeze |
| 01:03.38 | poggle | is there a secret code that works? ;) |
| 01:04.32 | Arrowmaster | that would sound like a major design flaw if there was |
| 01:05.11 | daedhel | is there a way to have php5.3 on a lenny server ? |
| 01:05.25 | Arrowmaster | ,version php |
| 01:05.34 | Arrowmaster | ,versions php |
| 01:05.35 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'php' was found in i386. |
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| 01:07.08 | Arrowmaster | daedhel: no backports so making your own backport might or might not work |
| 01:07.17 | Arrowmaster | dpkg: tell daedhel about ssb |
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| 01:08.54 | daedhel | ssb |
| 01:08.59 | daedhel | what is that |
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| 01:09.15 | Arrowmaster | poggle: is there a chance you used a different keyboard layout during install and currently? |
| 01:09.24 | maher | why would firefox occasionally redirect links from google searches to some other random search engine? |
| 01:09.26 | Arrowmaster | daedhel: you should have gotten a private message from dpkg |
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| 01:09.52 | daedhel | Arrowmaster, right |
| 01:09.54 | daedhel | got it |
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| 01:15.56 | rava | is there a way of fixing a package that dpkg sees as half-configured so running apt doesn't cause dpkg to try and configure said package? |
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| 01:21.57 | maher | rava: what sort of fix? have you tried dpkg --configure -a |
| 01:22.43 | DemoNMasteR | I'm new to setting up linux as a server, I'm going to be running it as a web services server (web, mail, dns, sql) and I was trying to verify all the security aspects before I put it online. Can anyone recommend a security analisys utily or maybe just a link to a check list? |
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| 01:24.50 | maher | DemoNMasteR: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 01:25.55 | thepro4ever | how do i quickly pull up a command i typed in like 3 hours ago? |
| 01:26.16 | maher | thepro4ever: you can grep .bash_history |
| 01:26.31 | ggomez | press ctrlr |
| 01:26.35 | ggomez | press ctrl+r |
| 01:26.41 | maher | maher: !foo will execute the most recent command starting with foo |
| 01:26.49 | kdog | thepro4ever: ^r and start typing the command |
| 01:27.00 | ggomez | and start wrinting the command |
| 01:27.46 | rava | maher: not an option since the package is mysql and it would stop a production database |
| 01:28.19 | maher | rava: why is dpkg confused? |
| 01:28.28 | rava | i'm still not sure how that happened |
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| 01:29.05 | rava | maher: as far as i know, our dba stood up the server, ran update/dist-upgrade but before the the upgrade he copied in his own my.cnf |
| 01:29.45 | rava | maher: somehow that seemed ot call apt to fail when updating the mysql-server package during the configuration phase but not the installation phase |
| 01:30.03 | rava | maher: ~call = cuse |
| 01:30.15 | rava | bloody hell...cause! |
| 01:30.54 | rava | so now when we try to run apt for installing, it tries to have dpkg configure the package, which stops the database, which breaks a bunch of crap |
| 01:33.04 | maher | rava: i dunno whether you can get apt to fix itself without it wanting to stop mysql |
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| 01:33.27 | rava | maher: we don't have a failover mirror for this db host, so i need a way to hotfix this so we can get apt usage back without borking procs that rely o nthis host being up |
| 01:34.16 | rava | does dpkg use the /var/lib/dpkg/status file for anything during it's processing? |
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| 01:35.09 | Zone | rava: when you're trying different senarios with aptitude, use '-s' to simulate the actions without actually taking them |
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| 01:35.36 | Zone | rava: and 'dpkg --dry-run' as well |
| 01:36.35 | Zone | rava: also editing /etc/init.d/mysql and adding "exit 0" at the top will prevent any scripts from stopping it |
| 01:37.30 | thepro4ever | is there anything i can check if i am unable to create my opengl context successfully? |
| 01:37.34 | thepro4ever | woops sorry |
| 01:37.55 | rava | Zone: aye, i can dry run all i want without it affecting anything, if its i actually want to install a package that dpkg does its evil trickery. didn't know about that trick to mysql's init script though! |
| 01:38.24 | Zone | rava: what error message did you get when running dpkg? |
| 01:39.36 | maher | rava: you can just edit status by hand - but this isn't really recommended for obvious reasons |
| 01:39.45 | rava | Zone: this is when things went to hell and we noticed it: http://pastebin.com/95n03Gam |
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| 01:41.59 | Zone | rava: 'dpkg -f' or 'dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0' will most likely fix that. By adding the "exit 0" to the /etc/init.d/mysql before doing that (and removing it afterward), that will prevent the server from being restarted after the configuration. I would try 'dpkg -f' first |
| 01:42.54 | Zone | rava: the remaining configuration for mysql-server-5.0 is probably nothing, so likely either command will just return nothing and the package will be configured successfully |
| 01:44.39 | rava | Zone: nice! let me do some testing with that, much appreciated |
| 01:45.34 | rava | Zone: any idea what could have caused the failure to configure in the first place? dpkg is supposed to be unintruisive when it comes to config files, so i'm boggled how the configure would fail when all our dba did was put in a custom my.cnf before the upgrade |
| 01:45.49 | poggle | arrowmaster, nah, i'm fairly certain keyboard layouts have nothing to do with how the passphrase is presented; it's only a-z. |
| 01:46.07 | poggle | i chose to reinstall and it just finished this minute |
| 01:46.12 | poggle | let's try again |
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| 01:46.51 | poggle | working! |
| 01:46.51 | Zone | rava: Debian's MySQL maintenance requires it's own username and password that are stored in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf . If that file got changed, or if the username/password were changed in mysql.user, that could cause the init script to fail |
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| 01:47.42 | Zone | rava: try doing an '/etc/init.d/mysql status' , that will help debug the issue |
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| 01:49.18 | DemoNMasteR | thanks maher looks like exactly what i need |
| 01:49.51 | rava | Zone: your help has been invaluable, i've been wonking around with this bugger half the day. thanks |
| 01:50.10 | Zone | np, hope it works out |
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| 01:51.32 | thepro4ever | how can i see what all packages i installed yesterday? |
| 01:53.23 | babilen | amphi, Arrowmaster: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=590534 "FIXME: is this all right? Is this completely on crack?" |
| 01:53.38 | daedhel | anyone can tell me how I can pin a package from the testing repo in a stable server box ? |
| 01:53.45 | Zone | thepro4ever: not the most elegant answer, but looking in /var/log/apt/history.log* should tell you |
| 01:54.07 | Arrowmaster | daedhel: not a good idea to mix binary packages from testing with stable |
| 01:54.23 | daedhel | Arrowmaster, hm okay |
| 01:54.38 | daedhel | Arrowmaster, do you know when squeeze will become stable ? |
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| 01:54.43 | thepro4ever | Zone: basically i think one of the updates yesterday broke my nvidia driver, i just either want to undo the update or reinstall the nvidia drivers and i don't know how to do either |
| 01:55.26 | maher | daedhel: you can use dpkg-buildpackage to rebuild things sometimes |
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| 01:55.36 | maher | why would firefox occasionally redirect links from google searches to some other random search engine? |
| 01:55.49 | Zone | thepro4ever: 'dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia' .. see if that gives you the name of the nvidia packages. Then do 'aptitude reinstall <package names>' |
| 01:56.45 | Arrowmaster | jelly-home: are you using gdm3? |
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| 01:58.38 | Arrowmaster | babilen: looks like thats the cause of the problem, jelly-home said he was using ctrl:nocaps without issue so im guessing hes still using gdm instead of gdm3 |
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| 02:00.08 | babilen | quite likely |
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| 02:01.38 | Arrowmaster | looking at tasksel it seems gdm3 is now installed by default on a gnome desktop install, everything still works fine with gdm though so those of us that installed before the change are probably mostly still using gdm |
| 02:01.56 | Arrowmaster | i know i am |
| 02:01.58 | sedulous | Hi. I'm having a problem with libvirt / virsh on one of my machines. In virsh, various actions like pool-create-as or pool-define yield errors like "this function is not supported by the connection driver: virStoragePoolDefineXML" -- all libvirt related packages are from Debian Testing amd64 |
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| 02:12.15 | thepro4ever | i'm getting the error the compiler used to compile the kernel gcc 4.1 does not exactly match the current compiler gcc 4.3, please change the appropriate environment variable to match that of the kernel |
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| 02:12.20 | thepro4ever | how do i change it? |
| 02:13.53 | thepro4ever | i get that error running the nvidia driver update |
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| 02:17.34 | thepro4ever | exit |
| 02:17.44 | tlchack5 | is anybody familiar with setting up ampache? |
| 02:18.46 | tlchack5 | I am at step 2 of the the setup using website.url/ampache and it keeps prompting me to open a .php file, i cant proceed to step 3... any ideas? |
| 02:19.34 | tlchack5 | oh, and Ampache.cfg.php Exists and Ampache.cfg.php Configured both say error... is it the read/write permissions on the server? |
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| 02:22.02 | rava | rest easy all |
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| 02:31.19 | Bushmills | tlchack5: difficult to say if the error is just "error". |
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| 02:35.21 | Gryllida | !sources.list |
| 02:35.21 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.CC.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where CC is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> and "man sources.list". |
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| 02:36.13 | qiyong | with ddns, should I manually write a dynamic zone file or bind would write it? |
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| 02:41.50 | Bushmills | qiyong: you write a zone file. add KEY record, for authentication. |
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| 02:43.28 | Bushmills | also set update-policy, grant update permissions |
| 02:45.38 | qiyong | Bushmills, now i've made a zone file under working/dynamic/ with only SOA |
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| 02:46.16 | qiyong | and i have key dhcp_updater { ... } inside named.conf |
| 02:46.41 | qiyong | Bushmills, and the same thing in dhcpd.conf |
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| 02:48.15 | Bushmills | i run nsupdate from a hook in dhcp server, for more finely grained control over what records to modify |
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| 02:48.56 | qiyong | can i have allow-update { localhost; }; in named.conf to avoid key totally? |
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| 02:49.04 | Bushmills | ehm, no. not server. dhcp client |
| 02:49.31 | Bushmills | i suppose you can. |
| 02:50.38 | qiyong | Unable to add forward map timed out |
| 02:50.43 | qiyong | Bushmills, ^ |
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| 02:55.08 | Bushmills | your configuration seems to involve dhcp server and name server on the same machine, that's different to mine, where name server is remote to both dhcp server and dhcp clients. |
| 02:55.25 | Bushmills | that's why i use a KEY based setup |
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| 02:59.21 | WaterRatj | is there a way to email a crontab to an email instead of root mail account? |
| 03:00.02 | Bushmills | WaterRatj: MAILTO=... |
| 03:00.09 | qiyong | Bushmills, i have key dhcp_updater { ... } inside named.conf and the same thing in dhcpd.conf, is that right? i didn't create key with the dnssec-keygen. |
| 03:02.22 | Bushmills | qiyong: is your goal to introduce host names of dhcp clients and their assigned ip addresses into your LAN dns zone? |
| 03:02.47 | qiyong | Bushmills, yes |
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| 03:04.01 | Bushmills | qiyong: consider to check out dnsmasq, which combines dhcp server, dns forwarder and local resolver in one program, making this sort of function very easy. much simpler than with seperate bind and dhcp server |
| 03:04.37 | qiyong | Bushmills, i'd have a full featured bind |
| 03:05.00 | Bushmills | oh, it also provides a tftp server, should any client want to net boot |
| 03:05.18 | qiyong | I need the dns for production use |
| 03:06.06 | Bushmills | well, as said, my setup is different, so i can't really advise in your case. try /j #dns |
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| 03:11.11 | futilius | hi guys. I'm trying to install etch but when i choose a mirror i only get prompte for lenny, squeeze, and si |
| 03:11.31 | futilius | prompted*, sid* |
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| 03:12.05 | KB1JWQ | futilius: Imagine that. |
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| 03:13.51 | futilius | KB1JWQ: is there a way to specify the version? the mirrors appear to host etch.. |
| 03:14.08 | xuser | futilius: why do you want to install etch? |
| 03:14.22 | futilius | xuser: i'm installing on 32-bit sparc |
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| 03:17.59 | xuser | futilius: irevelant |
| 03:18.17 | xuser | *irelevant |
| 03:18.42 | un214 | irrelevant ? |
| 03:18.54 | xuser | un214: thanks |
| 03:19.00 | Bushmills | !etch |
| 03:19.00 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 03:19.03 | Cain | futilius : etch no longer on mirrors: |
| 03:19.23 | futilius | Cain: ooh |
| 03:19.24 | futilius | thanks |
| 03:19.29 | futilius | is there a way to get it? |
| 03:19.45 | futilius | (nevermin thanks Bushmills) |
| 03:20.03 | Bushmills | read the factoid *completely* |
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| 03:34.49 | ice799 | Hi. I have an apt repository set up to host some packages I am building. I point my sources.list at the repository and issue "apt-get update" and I see " Failed to fetch .... Packages.bz2" |
| 03:34.58 | ice799 | This is strange because my apt repository has Packages.gz |
| 03:35.10 | ice799 | and the Release file has md5sums for Packages.gz |
| 03:35.24 | ice799 | I have no idea why apt would think there is a Packages.bz2. |
| 03:35.28 | ice799 | any ideas? |
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| 04:08.44 | debiantonio | have Nokia PC Suit alternate for Linux? thanks |
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| 04:14.14 | anisfarhana | Hello.. |
| 04:14.34 | debiantonio | wammu :) |
| 04:15.07 | anisfarhana | I have try #mysql but so far no response , i want to try my luck here..my question is i failed to start the mysql , i check the logs..unfortunately it is empty log for mysql.log |
| 04:15.20 | anisfarhana | Could somebody advise me on this matter ? I'm using lenny here. |
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| 04:16.21 | anisfarhana | 0 ./mysql.log |
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| 04:16.37 | tharkun | anisfarhana: If you waited a little bit more than two minutes before cross posting. It would be indeed apreciated |
| 04:17.14 | anisfarhana | tharkun: ok sure sir. |
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| 04:17.38 | debiantonio | nokuntu :) |
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| 04:20.08 | RoDuS | can some one help a newb? |
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| 04:28.59 | TehRabbitt | anyone here know of a good FTP server? |
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| 04:29.54 | Bop | TehRabbitt, vsftpd |
| 04:30.14 | TehRabbitt | thanks bop |
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| 04:39.18 | tharkun | TehRabbitt: vsftpd |
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| 05:37.14 | tlchack5 | For phpmyadmin and ampache, after shutting down my server and brining it up i now get a 403 forbidden and 404 not found errors respectively. I cant figure out why they are not working. Did demeons not start up like they were supposed to? |
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| 05:44.01 | sash_ | the only daemons needed shoudl be apache and mysql |
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| 09:06.35 | djszapi | How can I set a daemon running permanently on debian ? There is a configuration file on archlinux where I can make a list of running daemons. |
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| 09:07.45 | Arrowmaster | !sysv-rc |
| 09:07.45 | dpkg | The sysv-rc package is for booting, shutting down and changing <runlevels>, configured through the symbolic links in /etc/rc?.d/ . It includes update-rc.d and invoke-rc.d for high customization/config of runlevel scripts at any time. Do "zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz" for more information. Ask me about <sysv-rc-conf>, the TUI front end tool for sysv-rc. See also <update-rc.d>. |
| 09:07.49 | djszapi | rc.local ? |
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| 09:10.12 | sekon | djszapi: /etc/rc2.d# ls -l /etc/rc2.d/S99rc.local |
| 09:10.12 | sekon | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Jan 22 2010 /etc/rc2.d/S99rc.local -> ../init.d/rc.local |
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| 09:13.41 | sekon | djszapi: also see http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-customizing.en.html |
| 09:13.53 | djszapi | I think it does not help for me. |
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| 09:14.17 | djszapi | Maemo is a debian like OS, but they dropped the /etc/rc.d stuff. |
| 09:15.25 | daemonkeeper | You are not really up to date anymore. |
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| 09:16.42 | void_pointer | That hurt him |
| 09:16.44 | void_pointer | deeply |
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| 09:17.34 | daemonkeeper | Obviously ;) |
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| 09:19.48 | void_pointer | A debian-like OS that dropped rc.d .. interesting |
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| 09:21.32 | ov3rmind | hi |
| 09:22.12 | daemonkeeper | void_pointer: Used to Debian, but is now based on Fedora. Hence my comment. |
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| 09:30.56 | cesurasean | vi /etc/default/syslogd seems to open a blank document |
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| 09:31.02 | cesurasean | has this file from leeny changed? |
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| 09:32.09 | daemonkeeper | Lenny uses rsyslog. |
| 09:32.47 | themill | cesurasean: that file doesn't exist on a standard squeeze install -- it would be /etc/default/rsyslog |
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| 09:33.21 | cesurasean | why the name change? |
| 09:33.24 | cesurasean | is it the same thing? |
| 09:33.25 | cesurasean | /etc/default/rsyslog? |
| 09:33.26 | daemonkeeper | No |
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| 09:33.54 | cesurasean | im trying to add SYSLOGD="-a /var/lib/named/dev/log" |
| 09:33.57 | daemonkeeper | Its a different service. Previously syslog-ng was used. |
| 09:34.00 | cesurasean | how do i do that? |
| 09:34.13 | thelsdj | /etc/init.d/sysklogd does read /etc/default/syslogd |
| 09:34.30 | cesurasean | so i need to install sysklogd? |
| 09:34.40 | cesurasean | or what? |
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| 09:37.20 | cesurasean | nevermind got it |
| 09:37.22 | cesurasean | thanks anyways guys |
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| 09:44.25 | jelly | cesurasean: if you're using rsyslog, add a *.conf file in /etc/rsyslog.d/ containing a line like "$AddUnixListenSocket /var/lib/named/dev/log" |
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| 09:45.15 | jelly | (and restart the service) |
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| 09:45.44 | jelly | (and make sure /var/lib/named/dev directory exists, in advance) |
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| 09:46.17 | jelly | this is what the postfix package does with its chroot |
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| 09:46.59 | chrisign | hello out there, my /var/lib dir is crowded. How can I reduce the waste of diskspace? |
| 09:47.21 | jelly | chrisign: "waste?" |
| 09:48.15 | jelly | chrisign: use du to investigate which subdirectory uses most space |
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| 09:49.44 | jelly | chrisign: files in /var/cache can be cleaned out at any time (restart of the services affected may be needed), but /var/lib/ is a different beast |
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| 09:53.55 | chrisign | jelly: can just delete the content of /var/lib? |
| 09:54.22 | Arrowmaster | that would most likely break a lot of things |
| 09:54.38 | thelsdj | chrisign: what in /var/lib is taking up the most space? |
| 09:56.45 | Arrowmaster | yeah im wondering too, i didnt think /var/lib tended to get large, mines less than 500MiB |
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| 09:58.33 | daemonkeeper | Well Arrowmaster, consider you have a MySQL database. Chances are your /var/lib/mysql is huge then |
| 09:59.05 | Arrowmaster | ah didnt realize databases were kept in /var/lib |
| 09:59.07 | nevyn | wishes people wouldn't do that. |
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| 09:59.11 | jelly | chrisign: no. |
| 09:59.28 | nevyn | /srv would be a far nicer place to put that junk |
| 09:59.43 | chrisign | nevyn: ack |
| 10:00.56 | chrisign | jelly: /var/lib/foswiki/ needs the most space. but I don't have sooo much in that CMS |
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| 10:06.40 | nevyn | the problem is it makes it impossible to have a standardised filesystem layout |
| 10:09.03 | jelly | chrisign: if it's a public wiki it may have been spammed |
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| 10:27.27 | tabakhase | oO |
| 10:27.35 | tabakhase | 6.0 beginning of feb.?! |
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| 10:40.44 | tabakhase | wahhh still 2.6.32 in 6.0 =( |
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| 10:47.34 | jelly | tabakhase: why do you care? |
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| 10:47.57 | bolt-work | tabakhase: 6.0 when it's done :) |
| 10:47.58 | tabakhase | jelly drbd |
| 10:48.19 | bolt-work | i think many distros chose to go with 2.6.32 |
| 10:48.27 | jelly | tabakhase: drbd has been packaged for quite a while. |
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| 10:48.58 | jelly | ,versions drbd8-source |
| 10:49.00 | judd | Package drbd8-source on i386 -- etch-backports: 2:8.0.14-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 2:8.0.14-2+lenny1; lenny-security: 2:8.0.14-2+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2:8.3.7-1~bpo50+1 |
| 10:49.08 | tabakhase | jelly i tryed smth with it some weeks ago, ends up in a smashed kernel from the backports |
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| 10:51.22 | jelly | that's possible. Still it's not too hard to use a custom kernel in Debian. |
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| 10:54.53 | Arrowmaster | drbd is in the squeeze kernel |
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| 11:08.48 | qiyong | micro SD = TF? |
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| 11:10.31 | petemc | qiyong: what? |
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| 11:12.11 | qiyong | micro SD and TF the same thing? petemc |
| 11:13.50 | petemc | qiyong: try wikipedia |
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| 11:25.05 | cesurasean | How do I install suexec? |
| 11:25.26 | cesurasean | on squeeze? |
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| 11:31.21 | AlexC_ | Morning |
| 11:31.40 | AlexC_ | does the Debian Kernel (squeeze or lenny) have support for LVS? |
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| 11:47.44 | superlinux | hi. how can i lower the caps of all characters in a file? which command? |
| 11:49.08 | Bushmills | tr |
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| 11:50.36 | superlinux | ok |
| 11:50.48 | ike | superlinux: or in vim. |
| 11:51.45 | ike | SHIFT+V SHIFT+G gu |
| 11:51.46 | ike | ;-) |
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| 11:52.28 | dimir | ike: stop following me, you are everywehre I go! |
| 11:53.12 | ike | dimir haha ;-) |
| 11:53.14 | babilen | hahaha |
| 11:53.34 | RichiH | ggguG in vim |
| 11:53.39 | ike | dimir: you can run, you can hide, but there is not place for you to go. |
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| 11:53.48 | RichiH | or ggVguG |
| 11:54.03 | RichiH | erm, VG |
| 11:54.24 | dimir | ike: :-D |
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| 11:58.48 | poggle | why can't i remove ekiga or even brasero without all of gnome wanting to go with it? |
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| 11:59.37 | babilen | poggle: Because you have a gnome metapackage installed that depends on all these packages. Which version of Debian do you use? |
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| 11:59.50 | poggle | babilen, i'm on squeeze |
| 11:59.51 | thewanderer1 | poggle: use apt-get instead of aptitude, it should not remove whole gnome |
| 12:01.20 | themill | thewanderer1: that's not a good solution to the problem |
| 12:01.40 | babilen | poggle: I would suggest to install a different meta-package that depends on fewer packages like (in increasing order of size) "gnome-session", "gnome-core", "gnome-desktop-environment" see what is going to be removed then and execute "aptitude unmarkauto PKG1 PKG2" for all packages that you want to keep. |
| 12:01.50 | thewanderer1 | themill: sure... one will need to use unmarkauto I guess |
| 12:02.27 | poggle | ah, thanks ;) |
| 12:02.27 | themill | yes, otherwise the packages will remain in a state of ready-to-be-auto-removed and some other action some time in the future will have unexpected side effects |
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| 12:02.38 | babilen | poggle: Once you are happy with your selection you can remove the "gnome" metapackage. (I suspect that you have that installed, if you have another metapackage installed, remove that) |
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| 12:03.41 | babilen | poggle: If you need help or suggestions for good packages to "unmarkauto" paste the output to http://paste.debian.net and show us. |
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| 12:05.33 | babilen | In a way I really dislike this 'gnome' metapackage, because a lot of users run into this problem once they realised that they don't want to have all packages installed, but don't know about metapackages and all that yet. :-\ |
| 12:06.56 | themill | babilen: yeah, in order to solve the "I installed 'gnome' and now I don't want it do I really need to uninstall each package individually" problem, another problem is created... |
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| 12:08.51 | evilNirvana | im trying to add a small subnet to my server, its detached from its main IP, and it keeps changing the main bcast address and netmask, hom do i do this? |
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| 12:11.30 | g00se | I have iceweasel-firebug 1.2.0~b6-1 installed. Yet when looking at the add-ons, it says that firebug is not compatible with Iceweasel 3.5.16 |
| 12:11.38 | damasceno | evilNirvana, What you're doing? |
| 12:11.53 | evilNirvana | ifconfig eth0 add ... |
| 12:12.24 | damasceno | with ifconfig command, when you reboot your system, all settings will be erased. |
| 12:12.30 | evilNirvana | i know |
| 12:12.44 | damasceno | The correct is add all confgiuration in /etc/network/interfaces file. |
| 12:12.45 | evilNirvana | ill pop them into if up.d when it works |
| 12:12.52 | evilNirvana | oh that |
| 12:12.52 | damasceno | ok. |
| 12:12.54 | evilNirvana | well |
| 12:13.11 | damasceno | ifconfig eth0 IP netmask MASK broadcast BROADCAST. |
| 12:13.14 | damasceno | Only that. |
| 12:13.27 | damasceno | But, you have to add the route, with route add default gw GATEWAY |
| 12:14.01 | evilNirvana | that will allow me to ad the seperate subnet? |
| 12:14.08 | evilNirvana | add* |
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| 12:15.17 | wuffi600 | how can i configure that a local user gets locked after his last n attempts to login have been unsuccessful? |
| 12:15.42 | damasceno | evilNirvana, i'm not understanding what you are saying. |
| 12:15.45 | damasceno | ;S |
| 12:15.46 | g00se | !fail2ban |
| 12:15.46 | dpkg | fail2ban is a small python program that runs rules when people fail to logon after a certain number of tries. By default it works with <ssh> and <iptables>, but can be extended to whatever authentication and access denial system you're using. <Dovecot> administrators: see http://wiki.dovecot.org/HowTo/Fail2Ban . See Debian bug #573314 regarding Postfix and SASL. Also ask me about <denyhosts> and <iptables ssh filter>. |
| 12:16.30 | wuffi600 | g00se: thank you |
| 12:16.50 | poggle | looks like i'll have to with ekiga |
| 12:17.02 | damasceno | evilNirvana, if you want to add 2 "networks", you will need two devices, example: |
| 12:17.05 | damasceno | eth0, and eth1. |
| 12:17.13 | evilNirvana | damasceno: i have an IP as my servers public ip |
| 12:17.15 | evilNirvana | oh |
| 12:17.24 | evilNirvana | well i think i only have one |
| 12:17.30 | evilNirvana | uno second |
| 12:17.45 | damasceno | use "ifconfig" command, to see all your interfaces. |
| 12:18.10 | evilNirvana | a single Realtek RTL 8111 :< |
| 12:18.27 | evilNirvana | but solusVM can handle it |
| 12:19.10 | evilNirvana | why cant debian? |
| 12:19.11 | damasceno | evilNirvana, what you wanna do? |
| 12:19.21 | evilNirvana | i have a main ip |
| 12:19.26 | damasceno | Create a dhcp + firewall server? |
| 12:19.33 | evilNirvana | lets say, 1.2.3.4 |
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| 12:19.35 | damasceno | With, one Public IP, and subnet? |
| 12:19.39 | evilNirvana | no |
| 12:19.40 | petemc | evilNirvana: you can add second ip on a different subnet |
| 12:19.49 | evilNirvana | this is a dedicated server |
| 12:20.07 | evilNirvana | i have a whole /28 i want to add |
| 12:20.20 | petemc | go for it, i use a /27 on one server |
| 12:20.38 | evilNirvana | but the main IP is in a different subnet |
| 12:21.04 | evilNirvana | a /27 across a few racks |
| 12:21.25 | petemc | im not sure what that means, but whats your real problem? |
| 12:21.42 | evilNirvana | i have a server |
| 12:21.49 | evilNirvana | its assigned a main ip |
| 12:22.03 | evilNirvana | i bought a subnet addon |
| 12:22.13 | evilNirvana | its in a different subnet |
| 12:22.14 | petemc | yes, you said that much |
| 12:22.38 | evilNirvana | and i cant figur out how to make it work |
| 12:22.42 | damasceno | petemc, hehe. |
| 12:22.46 | evilNirvana | with one adapter |
| 12:22.48 | petemc | evilNirvana: add it to an aliased interface, add a route for it |
| 12:23.10 | evilNirvana | i think i tried that, but im a bit fail at this |
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| 12:23.38 | petemc | evilNirvana: if you want to have more control, you'll need to do funky stuff with routing weights etc, but just adding the interface and a gateway should just work |
| 12:23.41 | Burns | Hello |
| 12:23.43 | damasceno | I'm not sure, if this is your real problem, but you can try: ifconfig eth0:1 ......... |
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| 12:24.34 | petemc | evilNirvana: playing with this stuff on a remote box has obvious risks - do you have a way to access the box if you mess up networking? |
| 12:24.59 | Burns | Hey folks |
| 12:25.17 | Burns | Can you tell me if those c99 are related to the c99.php worm http://pastebin.com/eQq9RnuS |
| 12:25.30 | Burns | or not ? |
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| 12:25.34 | evilNirvana | petemc: remote reboot and a DHCP + tftp boot rescue system |
| 12:25.45 | petemc | all good |
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| 12:26.51 | themill | ,file usr/bin/c99* |
| 12:26.53 | judd | usr/bin/c99* in lenny/i386: gcc: usr/bin/c99-gcc |
| 12:27.06 | themill | Burns: C99 is a particular language standard for C. |
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| 12:28.01 | Burns | ok |
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| 12:29.38 | evilNirvana | is there a way to roemov a eth0:* interface? |
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| 12:31.30 | g00se | I have iceweasel-firebug 1.2.0~b6-1 installed. Yet when looking at the add-ons, it says that firebug is not compatible with Iceweasel 3.5.16 |
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| 12:32.09 | g00se | Surely Firebug is available? |
| 12:34.27 | babilen | g00se: I guess that you installed iceweasel from backports and tried the firebug version from lenny. If that is true, you can either backport iceweasel-firebug from squeeze and install the package or be lazy and just install the extension from within iceweasel |
| 12:34.54 | babilen | g00se: If in doubt, paste the output of "apt-cache policy iceweasel iceweasel-firebug" |
| 12:34.59 | g00se | babilen: You're right |
| 12:35.22 | g00se | But i did try to install it from within Iceweasel - woudn't play ball |
| 12:35.34 | babilen | Another way would be to upgrade to squeeze (but you could wait for the release on the 5th of february) |
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| 12:36.28 | babilen | g00se: That is strange, but as I said, you can just backport the package from squeeze. -- /msg dpkg ssb -- and replace "sid" with "squeeze" in the instructions |
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| 12:37.02 | babilen | g00se: You purged "iceweasel-firebug" before you tried to install the extension from within iceweasel, didn't you? |
| 12:37.19 | g00se | babilen: No (blush) |
| 12:37.59 | babilen | hehe, try that :) |
| 12:38.32 | g00se | babilen: Thanks ;) Trying now |
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| 12:42.02 | hertz | Hi, I was wondering if there any place I can found some list of what packages I got on every DVD iso? |
| 12:43.09 | g00se | babilen: fyi, purging made no difference. I'm going to have to backport from squeeze |
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| 12:43.42 | thewanderer1 | hertz: in the list-dvd/ subdirectory where you get your ISOs from |
| 12:44.00 | thewanderer1 | (the directory is parallel to iso-dvd) |
| 12:44.19 | hertz | thewanderer1, oh I c. Thanks ^-^ |
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| 12:46.43 | babilen | What error do you get when you try to install the extension? |
| 12:47.37 | g00se | Well it just shows in the grpahical extensions list as not being available for my Iceweasel |
| 12:47.43 | poggle | where's the aircrack-ng package |
| 12:47.53 | poggle | i use it to uhh.. align my antennas |
| 12:48.30 | poggle | nevermind, i'll compile the latest myself |
| 12:48.49 | g00se | "Not available for Firefox 3.5.16" (preceded by a 'no-entry' image) |
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| 12:51.06 | themill | g00se: http://mozilla.debian.net/ might be of use |
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| 12:52.31 | babilen | ,versions aircrack-ng |
| 12:52.33 | judd | Package aircrack-ng on i386 -- etch: 1:0.6.2-7etch1; etch-security: 1:0.6.2-7etch1; lenny: 1:1.0~rc1-2; sid: 1:1.1-1.1 |
| 12:52.41 | babilen | poggle: ^^^ |
| 12:52.55 | g00se | themill: Thanks |
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| 13:07.20 | g00se | themill: Did you try using this yourself at all? (Of course you might not run lenny ;)) |
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| 13:08.46 | themill | g00se: I do run lenny on most of my machines, but no I haven't tried out the packages (but they are made by the debian iceweasel maintainers so they should be of acceptable quality, it's not just some random 3rd party repo) |
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| 13:10.51 | g00se | themill: OK. I suppose as long as config doesn't get borked and metadata are left intact, it'll probably be easy enough to revert |
| 13:11.34 | themill | g00se: can't tell you anything about co-installability of these packages or how they deal with older profiles. Backups are your friend. |
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| 13:12.14 | poggle | sweet! |
| 13:12.32 | poggle | the ubuntu ambiance theme looks a lot better in gnome |
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| 13:13.21 | g00se | themill: It's actually going to have to be a case of installing iceweasel 4 |
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| 13:13.45 | poggle | having installed light-themes i'm now confronted with the aptitude message to remove light-themes over some unmet dependencies |
| 13:14.20 | g00se | means there's no iceweasel 3 + backported iceweasel-firebug scenario |
| 13:14.24 | poggle | can't seem to install anything without this being accomplished. |
| 13:14.30 | abrotman | in ubuntu? |
| 13:14.34 | poggle | what was it, someone suggested unmarkauto |
| 13:14.38 | poggle | abrotman, no, squeeze |
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| 13:19.34 | vin | I installed mysql but it doesnt have root passwd |
| 13:19.38 | vin | *user |
| 13:19.38 | poggle | thx |
| 13:19.58 | vin | I tried reinstalling and dpkg-reconfiguring it but it doesn't work |
| 13:20.09 | vin | It has just the debian-sys-maint user |
| 13:20.12 | babilen | poggle: We can't see your screen, so you have to show us what you are talking about :) |
| 13:20.30 | vin | and with the debian-sys-maint I cant grant all access to a new root user |
| 13:20.43 | vin | any ideas? |
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| 13:21.05 | petemc | vin: zless /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.0/README.Debian.gz |
| 13:21.51 | vin | petemc: it is not in there... |
| 13:21.53 | babilen | petemc: gah! beat me :) |
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| 13:22.20 | petemc | vin: there is a section on setting passwords in there |
| 13:22.51 | babilen | vin: What do you mean? The file should be there -- Which mysql-server-* packages do you have installed? (dpkg -l "mysql-*") |
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| 13:23.07 | Persouille | hello |
| 13:23.11 | babilen | welcome |
| 13:23.38 | vin | mysql-server-5.0 |
| 13:23.41 | vin | but it has no root user |
| 13:23.44 | Persouille | i want to install a debian lenny on a 64bit i5 processor, you know which version I could install ? |
| 13:23.45 | vin | so I cant set a new password |
| 13:23.52 | vin | I know how to do it if there is a root user... |
| 13:24.32 | themill | Persouille: either i386 or amd64 |
| 13:24.48 | g00se | thanks all and goes to try iceweasel 4 |
| 13:24.49 | Persouille | cool |
| 13:24.51 | Persouille | ty |
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| 13:27.02 | man_in_ltop | anyone know of a way to replace images in pdfs? |
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| 13:32.45 | babilen | vin: AFAICS (from glimpsing at it) -- /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst does set a root pwd for the server. Could you try running "dpkg-reconfigure -plow mysql-server-5.0" and see what happens? What happens when you *purge* and reinstall the package? Did you have a mysql installation on that machine before? |
| 13:32.57 | man_in_ltop | i can extract the images with pdfimages (from poppler-utils) but i want to process the images then put them back in the pdf |
| 13:33.48 | vin | babilen: it asks me for a root user (the same when I purge and install it) but I cant login with that password |
| 13:33.54 | vin | using "mysql -u root -p" |
| 13:35.03 | petemc | vin: and if you run the line mentioned in the readme about setting the root password? |
| 13:35.09 | babilen | vin: Try as user "mysql" |
| 13:35.32 | babilen | ah, disregard that -- shell is /bin/false .... |
| 13:36.47 | themill | !I forgot mysql root password |
| 13:36.47 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the <MySQL> root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start, or http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html, or <mysql initial password> |
| 13:36.49 | babilen | scratches head trying to remember how that worked -- haven't used mysql in a while, because i replaced it with postgresql everywhere |
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| 13:37.20 | babilen | !mysql initial password |
| 13:37.20 | dpkg | If you've never set a password for <MySQL> before then you can run: /usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root password 'enter-your-good-new-password-here'; if you have set a password before, ask me about <forgot mysql root password>. |
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| 13:43.44 | poggle | this is what i get whenever i run aptitude http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=mFK9ZvTe |
| 13:43.59 | poggle | it suggests i remove light-themes but i need that |
| 13:44.27 | vin | petemc: no luck |
| 13:44.31 | vin | babilen: no luck |
| 13:45.15 | themill | poggle: umm... mixing packages intended for different distributions is a great way of causing problems. |
| 13:45.44 | poggle | themill, this is just a theme package for gtk/gnome |
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| 13:45.52 | poggle | it shouldn't cuase many problems |
| 13:46.01 | themill | poggle: and it's "just" incompatible with debian as you've now demonstrated. |
| 13:46.11 | babilen | poggle: Could you read the "bat" factoid again and provide *all* information, please? (apt-cache policy, apt-cache policy light-themes ubuntu-mono, ...) |
| 13:46.20 | poggle | okay |
| 13:46.57 | themill | poggle: that it depends on a package "ubuntu-mono" might perhaps give you a clue about its compatability with debian |
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| 13:47.49 | babilen | poggle: But I'll just make an educated guess and assume that you installed a package from/for ubuntu. This is not a very good idea and you'll have a mess now. I would accept the proposed solution and wipe every trace of an Ubuntu package from your system. |
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| 13:48.12 | poggle | oh wlel |
| 13:48.14 | poggle | well.. |
| 13:48.43 | luminoso | does anyone know if dm-crypt already scales to multiple cpus? |
| 13:48.47 | babilen | poggle: What is this "light-themes" anyway? It might be available in Debian as well? |
| 13:50.41 | poggle | babilen, it's this http://www.funzt.info/?p=474 |
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| 13:51.18 | babilen | poggle: not yet packaged: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609791 |
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| 13:52.08 | poggle | okay |
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| 13:53.56 | poggle | i edited the dependency line in the control file located inside the .deb package containing this theme, i think it should work after i reinstall the package now |
| 13:54.35 | poggle | i think there is a different way of doing this, however |
| 13:54.44 | poggle | simpler way.. i'll try it now |
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| 13:57.10 | babilen | poggle: Why do you want to break your system for a simple theme? You most likely need a newer version of the murrine engine. Check if that is available in either backports or squeeze/sid. If so, install the backported version or backport it yourself. You also want to get the source package from Ubuntu and adapt its packaging to Debian. (Take a look at the debian/ directory in there -- /msg dpkg nmg) |
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| 13:58.09 | poggle | babilen, already compiled murrine |
| 13:58.18 | abrotman | full of fail :) |
| 13:58.22 | thewanderer1 | poggle: I've used those themes in the past, they are the least stable themes for GTK that you're going to find... they crash very often on Debian and break certain functionality like xrandr, tablet PC's... |
| 13:58.30 | babilen | poggle: It is quite likely that backporting the engine is not trivial or even impossible and you might have to upgrade to Squeeze in order to install a recent enough version. Follow http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes |
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| 13:59.43 | thewanderer1 | poggle: if you need your interface to look like Ubuntu, run VirtualBox and Ubuntu inside in Seamless Mode to obtain windows from there on your desktop natively, or full-screen altogether... |
| 13:59.48 | idar | Anyone know where i can find info/best practices on how to deploy standalone Java applications on linux? |
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| 14:00.05 | ershad | May I know which day the week does the debian publish weekly build of squeeze DVDs ?? |
| 14:00.25 | thewanderer1 | ershad: Apache webserver displays modification dates, does it not? |
| 14:00.29 | babilen | poggle: All in all: I doubt that this is easily achieved for lenny and you need a bit of expertise to pull it off. thewanderer1's remarks seem to indicate that you wouldn't really want to do it anyway. Have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes |
| 14:00.30 | poggle | thewanderer1, that sounds a lot worse than having my non-existent tablet pc broken ;) |
| 14:00.37 | AnthLee | wow you can get debian on blue ray now :o |
| 14:01.09 | thewanderer1 | poggle: well, I was trying that on Squeeze on my laptop... really, the glue pieces are mostly absent, Deban and Ubuntu differ much |
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| 14:01.26 | ershad | thewanderer1: Thanks :D |
| 14:01.26 | poggle | thewanderer1, it looks fine.. |
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| 14:04.20 | thewanderer1 | poggle: I had been able to find 1 website with "working" debs (not very stable but still) - was Ubuntu-specific and required me to replace the murrine packages with Ubuntu ones. I'm sure you'll find links to it on the Web |
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| 14:05.24 | babilen | why oh why? |
| 14:06.11 | thewanderer1 | cause the CakePHP is a lie... or sth like that |
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| 14:08.18 | thewanderer1 | hid3: ip rule flush? |
| 14:08.38 | jelly | ip rule help |
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| 14:10.07 | jelly | that almost triggered my standard rant about Debian's (ifupdown's) almost complete ignorance of iproute2 |
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| 14:10.39 | vin | A collegue installed mysql on his machine too and he didnt have a root user either |
| 14:10.44 | vin | is this a debian thing? |
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| 14:10.57 | RichiH | jelly: if you want to rant, compare the syntax of gentoo's /etc/conf.d/net and debian's /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:11.31 | petemc | vin: when you installed mysql, were you prompted to set a password the root user? |
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| 14:11.57 | babilen | petemc: He said that he is prompted but can't login with that password ... |
| 14:12.15 | vin | petemc: yes |
| 14:12.22 | vin | babilen: exactly |
| 14:12.35 | vin | I can login with the debian-sys-maint user but he cant grant privileges |
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| 14:13.09 | petemc | vin: and if you reset the password using the methods mentioned earlier? |
| 14:13.25 | vin | He gives me acces acces denied |
| 14:13.26 | babilen | vin: So you tried the steps to set a root password outlined by dpkg earlier and it still fails? (/msg dpkg i forgot mysql root password) |
| 14:13.44 | petemc | vin: are you using any non standard characters in the password? |
| 14:14.04 | petemc | vin: mysql works fine for thousands of people myself included |
| 14:14.08 | vin | petemc standard |
| 14:14.15 | poggle | thewanderer1, i'll keep you informed when it breaks ;) |
| 14:14.17 | vin | petemc: for me too, on myother machine but not here.. |
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| 14:17.17 | vin | I am baffled |
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| 14:20.38 | jelly | RichiH: I didn't have a look at Gentoo, but even RHEL4 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ is nice enough |
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| 14:21.20 | randy_ | I want to do this,I can know the server IP changed from email and auto ssh tunne to server,how can I do |
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| 14:30.39 | hertz | I'm trying to install debian from netinst amd64, but I get stuck on Ethernet Hardware detection step. And I can't see my ethernet adapter (atl1c) on the list. I was wondering if there are some package I could include on the iso or some way to get it working. |
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| 14:33.32 | babilen | !atl1c |
| 14:33.32 | dpkg | atl1c is a driver for Atheros AR8131 Gigabit Ethernet (PCI-ID 1969:1063) and AR8132 Fast Ethernet (PCI-ID 1969:1062) controllers, used in some laptop and netbook systems (e.g. Acer Aspire Timeline series, various Asus Eee PCs). Included in the mainline Linux kernel as of 2.6.29. The driver was backported and enabled in linux-2.6 2.6.26-22, ask me about <5.0.5>. See also <ar8151>, <ar8152>. |
| 14:33.46 | babilen | hertz: Which version of Debian are you trying to install? |
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| 14:33.59 | abrotman | backported? |
| 14:34.17 | babilen | *shrug* |
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| 14:34.55 | hertz | babilen, 5.07 amd64 |
| 14:35.12 | AnthLee | hertz, install Squeeze ;) |
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| 14:35.36 | treebeen | hertz: you can try http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 14:36.12 | treebeen | hertz: installer with a newer kernel |
| 14:36.33 | babilen | hertz: Or just install squeeze given that it will be released soon (5/6 february 2011) |
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| 14:37.04 | hertz | babilen, where can I get squeeze? |
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| 14:37.40 | treebeen | !squeeze |
| 14:37.40 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <wwsr> for recent updates and see also <testing> <squeeze udev> <squeeze kernel> <lenny->squeeze> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze . The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 14:37.41 | babilen | themill: Anybody answered your last question in #debian-devel about the security support? (I've seen that it is supported on the technical side, but haven't seen any follow ups to your question) |
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| 14:38.22 | babilen | hertz: Download images from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and follow http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual |
| 14:38.38 | Pendrag0n | Hey there is no CORRECT room to ask this in, but I am a regular here, so please bear with this one question. Is anyone having problems connecting to quakenet irc? I use all 3 big ones, freenode, quakenet and landoleet but today my pidgeon isn't connecting to quakenet, it keeps saying connection timed out |
| 14:38.38 | hertz | babilen, thanks ^-^ |
| 14:38.51 | hertz | treebeen, AnthLee thanks ^-^ |
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| 14:39.09 | babilen | hertz: What kind of machine is this? (your personal desktop vs production server providing services to 50000 users) |
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| 14:39.36 | hertz | babilen, personal desktop (actually laptop ) |
| 14:39.39 | hertz | ;D |
| 14:40.00 | babilen | hertz: Installing squeeze shouldn't be problematic then. |
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| 14:40.20 | theDoc | hi all, is there anyone familiar with freeradius + sql? |
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| 14:40.33 | hertz | babilen, thanks again ^-^ |
| 14:40.42 | theDoc | Just throwing it out there, running freeradius + sql on debian. |
| 14:41.00 | babilen | theDoc: #freeradius maybe? |
| 14:41.08 | petemc | a very quiet channel |
| 14:41.10 | theDoc | babilen: No one in there. :\ |
| 14:41.18 | petemc | i use freeradius but with flat files |
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| 14:41.30 | babilen | yeah, i've just seen it ... Just ask your question, somebody might be able to answer it |
| 14:42.01 | theDoc | babilen: Tried that a couple of times, didn't get any replies. That's why I've taken to looking here. |
| 14:43.01 | theDoc | Trying to find out what's the correct way of handling salted md5 hashes in a freeradius + sql setup. |
| 14:43.55 | babilen | Pendrag0n: I can connect to multiplay.uk.quakenet.org without problems |
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| 14:44.18 | babilen | theDoc: No, I meant: Just ask your question in here :) |
| 14:44.54 | theDoc | babilen: Ah, right. |
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| 14:48.16 | theDoc | right, just so if anyone knows. In a freeradius + sql setup, I have a set of salted md5 passwords for login. What would be the correct way of inputting the salt + hashed password into the sql db such that the radius server? |
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| 14:51.29 | vtts | theDoc, have you read http://freeradius.org/radiusd/man/rlm_pap.html ? |
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| 14:52.24 | theDoc | vtts: Yes, however it doesn't state how I should be inputing the salt into the db. |
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| 15:02.59 | abrotman | :flw |
| 15:03.01 | abrotman | !flw |
| 15:03.01 | dpkg | <graytron> markit: i don't make mistakes |
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| 15:15.57 | greedo | I'm trying to understand from this system messages in /var/log/messages, what caused my machine to crash |
| 15:16.03 | greedo | http://pastie.org/private/5upvrppsvistyai25ekug |
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| 15:16.57 | greedo | This messages looks familar |
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| 15:17.35 | greedo | It's running 2.6.26-2-686 btw |
| 15:18.06 | greedo | In a vm managed by vmware |
| 15:18.46 | vtts | theDoc, from a quick look at the source, it should be something like(pseudo code) if md5(passwordSALT)=="storedmd5hash?SALT" then OK else fail. (? means any separator) |
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| 15:25.35 | coolguy4 | Whenever I boot, I get the message "fsck died with exit status 6", and I have to press ctrl-d to continue the boot process. All my drives seem to be fine though, how can I get rid of the message? |
| 15:26.33 | icesword | !info fsck |
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| 15:27.11 | vtts | coolguy4, try checking the file systems (force if needed) |
| 15:27.28 | vtts | it should print you more information about what fails |
| 15:28.26 | coolguy4 | vtts: I need to unmount each filesystem to do that don't I? |
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| 15:29.07 | vtts | coolguy4, first check the error message which file system has errors |
| 15:29.29 | icesword | !hi |
| 15:29.29 | dpkg | hello, icesword |
| 15:30.20 | vtts | coolguy4, then enter the root password and fix it |
| 15:30.46 | coolguy4 | the fsck log doesn't say the fs |
| 15:31.02 | icesword | fail |
| 15:31.26 | coolguy4 | i could unmount everythign except root and do fsck -AM |
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| 15:31.59 | vtts | coolguy4, read the messages during reboot |
| 15:32.12 | vtts | s/reboot/boot/ |
| 15:32.27 | coolguy4 | I did, there is no mention of a fs |
| 15:32.44 | themill | babilen: no direct answer to that at all, no. But the usual security guys are quite active on debian-release atm chasing CVEs etc, so it's looking pretty good now. |
| 15:32.59 | RichiH | jelly: it's pretty awesome. and pretty much the only thing i prefer in gentoo over debian |
| 15:33.05 | vtts | it should give you device name (e.g. /dev/sda1) |
| 15:33.25 | jelly | RichiH: package it! :-D |
| 15:34.42 | coolguy4 | vtts: I just did fsck -AMv and it says "need terminal for interactive repairs" multiple times, but no mention of a device name, I suspect it's in fstab order though |
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| 15:35.19 | vtts | coolguy4, i don't know why you did that |
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| 15:36.08 | coolguy4 | vtts: -A check all filesystems in one run, going through fstab. -M don't check mounted file systems. -v verbose |
| 15:36.24 | vtts | could you like take a picture (screenshot if possible) what it says on the screen when it stops during the boot |
| 15:36.50 | vtts | maybe I'm thinking about a different problem |
| 15:37.21 | coolguy4 | vtts: it was saved in /var/log/fsck/checkfs |
| 15:37.45 | vtts | ok, pastebin it please |
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| 15:38.36 | coolguy4 | http://pastebin.com/sfX5CuSn |
| 15:38.40 | RichiH | jelly: the syntax of the network config? |
| 15:38.48 | jelly | yes. |
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| 15:39.14 | RichiH | jelly: if i would see any realistic chance of getting debian to support an alternate format, i would have proposed it years ago |
| 15:39.32 | greedo | hmm |
| 15:39.36 | greedo | any ideas |
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| 15:39.53 | jelly | "because ifupdown is crap and we need something that supports this newfangled Linux 2.4 tech" |
| 15:40.14 | gary_golden | why expr 0 + 0 returns 1 exit code? |
| 15:40.16 | RichiH | putting it that way would be fun, at least |
| 15:40.45 | greedo | there is that mptscsih: ioc0: attempting task abort! (sc=f79941c0) prior to the clock error |
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| 15:41.19 | jelly | gary_golden: return status is explained in the manual, near the bottom |
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| 15:42.16 | vtts | coolguy4, could you pastebin two more things: 1st - output from blkid command, 2nd contents of /etc/fstab |
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| 15:43.01 | gary_golden | jelly: there is no such section on my system. only refer to info where is only basic syntax |
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| 15:43.34 | gary_golden | it returns 1 always when expression result is zero |
| 15:43.58 | greedo | maybe i need to increase the timeout |
| 15:44.35 | coolguy4 | http://pastebin.com/1nTmydiH http://pastebin.com/nHc3XvGX |
| 15:44.52 | poggle | something is changing my /etc/resolv.conf on every boot |
| 15:44.59 | poggle | i need that file untouched |
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| 15:45.37 | honeypot | Hey I need VLC with mp3 and x264 for transcoding... should I install VLC or ffmpeg first? |
| 15:45.38 | themill | poggle: you probably need to correctly configure your dhcp daemon (or client). |
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| 15:46.01 | jelly | gary_golden: oh. I'm on squeeze. " Exit status is 0 if EXPRESSION is neither null nor 0, 1 if EXPRESSION is null or 0, 2 if EXPRESSION is syntactically invalid, and 3 if an error occurred." |
| 15:46.56 | greedo | ffmpeg first I believe |
| 15:47.02 | gary_golden | jelly: I'm on gentoo :) expr is expr, yes? |
| 15:47.09 | gary_golden | is there a way to fix it ? |
| 15:47.14 | yow | hi |
| 15:47.21 | gary_golden | I use it to check if a variable is interger |
| 15:47.39 | gary_golden | if ! $(expr $foo + 0); then exit 1; fi |
| 15:47.53 | jelly | gary_golden: #debian is #debian and #bash is #bash, have a nice day. |
| 15:47.58 | yow | has anyone ever had problem with growisofs whilst dvd-rw-format works? |
| 15:48.15 | gary_golden | jelly: you're a rude jerk. have a nice day |
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| 15:48.21 | jelly | I am! |
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| 15:48.46 | themill | gary_golden: please play nicely with the other kiddies? kthnxbye |
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| 15:49.22 | honeypot | greedo, thanks! |
| 15:49.27 | jelly | protectionism! |
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| 15:50.35 | yow | if a disc can be formatted or blanked by a (external usb) dvd writer, does that mean the writer is compatible with linux? |
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| 15:51.17 | yow | but then, why growisofs failed? and why Brasero showed the writing speed is ~0.1x~0.2x instead of the normal 2x or 4x? |
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| 15:51.30 | superlinux | hi. is there a software that can check images if they are equal in content? |
| 15:51.36 | abrotman | fdupes? |
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| 15:52.43 | superlinux | abrotman, were you talking to me? |
| 15:52.53 | abrotman | check and see |
| 15:52.56 | poggle | it says networkmanager is editing the /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:53.02 | poggle | i thought i uninstalled that |
| 15:53.07 | superlinux | ok |
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| 15:54.47 | superlinux | abrotman, sorry bro, i did not mean the binary disk image for example, i meant pictures |
| 15:55.01 | abrotman | so did i |
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| 15:55.14 | superlinux | ok |
| 15:55.54 | vtts | coolguy4, could you try replacing "2" with "0" (the last argument) for your usb mount in fstab, and see if it helps |
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| 16:00.06 | greedo | hmm, looks like a possible race conditon in the virtual LSILogic adapter driver |
| 16:00.37 | coolguy4 | vtts: thank you vtts, that was a good suggestion. Who knows if it will work though :) ... I'll see next reboot |
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| 16:02.04 | poggle | i've narrowed it down to the ifup script |
| 16:02.20 | poggle | it queries the router for dns servers, why? |
| 16:02.25 | poggle | i haven't set that anywhere |
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| 16:02.56 | stew | poggle: is your interface statically or dynamically configured? |
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| 16:03.28 | poggle | i set it statically |
| 16:03.37 | poggle | i see networkmanager is running |
| 16:03.54 | poggle | is there a way to permanently stop this crap from ever starting again? |
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| 16:04.16 | stew | aptitude remove network-manager |
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| 16:05.17 | themill | poggle: /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian may also be of interest. |
| 16:05.22 | poggle | i had thought i removed it already |
| 16:05.27 | poggle | thanks |
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| 16:14.03 | superlinux | abrotman, awesome! thanks mate! |
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| 16:14.30 | superlinux | i will write about it in the arab forum |
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| 16:24.10 | Cain | Hi, is it possible to check if the memory on a server is ECC compatible or not from debian not from bios ? |
| 16:24.36 | petemc | Cain: dmidecode |
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| 16:25.24 | Cain | petemc : thx |
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| 16:26.51 | honeypot | after a fresh install, debian doesn't have sudo right? |
| 16:27.18 | stew | honeypot: it depends on the options chosen during the install |
| 16:27.29 | honeypot | just core stew |
| 16:27.38 | stew | core? |
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| 16:28.06 | honeypot | I mean last option in the list of what to choose to install |
| 16:28.07 | raz0 | honeypot: Correct AFAIR. |
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| 16:28.45 | honeypot | ok, plz forgive my ignorance: does networking start on boot? |
| 16:28.50 | themill | dpkg: tell bizarrefish about root |
| 16:29.05 | honeypot | ifconfig isn't installed either :( |
| 16:29.06 | raz0 | Yep. |
| 16:29.18 | raz0 | I think it is? |
| 16:29.45 | honeypot | so for ssh, I just have to apt-get it from root? |
| 16:29.57 | honeypot | I'll retry from root raz0 |
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| 16:30.22 | themill | raz0: /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 16:30.53 | stew | honeypot: what I mean is that I believe that the debian installer has an option to setup debian with sudo and the root account disabled, separate from choosing which pakcages are to be installed |
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| 16:32.33 | bizarrefish | hi, again |
| 16:33.14 | raz0 | stew: Really? I've never noticed it. |
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| 16:34.37 | bzed | honeypot: ifconfig is installed, but /sbin and /usr/sbin is not in the normal user's $PATH. |
| 16:34.49 | bzed | honeypot: also please note that ifconfig is deprecated, you should use ip instead |
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| 16:45.44 | eldowan | ifconfig is deprecated? when did this happen? |
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| 16:46.43 | stew | people have been deprecating it for 10 years or so |
| 16:46.53 | thewanderer1 | it's deprecated the same way that IPv4 is :D |
| 16:47.16 | stew | iproute2 has been around for a long time, it does everything ifconfig and route can do, plus more |
| 16:49.37 | eldowan | interesting. is iproute2 installed by default on most installations? |
| 16:50.14 | bzed | eldowan: with squeeze it should be |
| 16:50.33 | eldowan | hmm. i'm on lenny atm, i'll search around online and see what it's about. |
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| 16:54.02 | karlpinc | eldowan: You'll find ip on lenny. |
| 16:54.48 | eldowan | i'll be, so I do. I immagine if i had searched for the iproute package w/o adding the 2 I would have seen that. |
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| 16:57.20 | jhutchins_lt | eldowan: It's part of the evolution to handle dynamic networking. |
| 16:58.11 | eldowan | sigh, i guess it's time to start RTFM |
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| 17:02.59 | lapsusbrutus | Hi guys, Ive got two debian computers and one printer.. Both act as printservers now.. Id like to stop using my desktop as a printserver and connect to printer from the other machine instead. Any advide on how to do that? Is it enough to out ServerName $IP into /etc/cups/client.conf.. Where do the drivers come in? :) |
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| 17:05.31 | thewanderer1 | lapsusbrutus: you need to have the drivers installed on every client machine... |
| 17:05.47 | cahoot | lapsusbrutus: make the 'server' accessible on you LAN, point the clients browser to localhost:631 and choose an ipp/or http printerqueue |
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| 17:06.06 | thewanderer1 | and using cups client instead of proper CUPS breaks certain functionality, like printing a few pages on one in KDE |
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| 17:07.49 | lapsusbrutus | thewanderer1, cahoot: Thanks for input:) |
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| 17:08.03 | honeypot | I'm trying to follow an ubuntu guide, how to know which version of ubuntu to choose for debian? |
| 17:08.21 | honeypot | is it the kernel version that differ? |
| 17:08.30 | thewanderer1 | it's everything that differs |
| 17:08.36 | honeypot | :) |
| 17:08.43 | stew | honeypot: a guide for what? |
| 17:08.48 | BLZbubba | honeypot: what do you mean by "which version of ubuntu to choose for debian" ? |
| 17:09.07 | honeypot | stew: I need to install ffmpeg with x264 and mp3 |
| 17:10.09 | honeypot | stew: and later on VLC-nox |
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| 17:10.58 | stew | i don't know if dmm has ffmpeg these days or not |
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| 17:12.55 | honeypot | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=786095 I didn't know what version to follow |
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| 17:13.38 | tharkun | Gentlemen is bug 569248 still open? I just installed lire and it seems the problem persist |
| 17:13.47 | babilen | !tell honeypot -about dmm |
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| 17:17.07 | stew | tharkun: yes, its still open |
| 17:18.25 | tharkun | stew: thx. It seems there is a patch on this page also. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=569248 Am i right or did i missunderstand the problem. |
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| 17:18.58 | tharkun | Messag4e #15 |
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| 17:19.10 | tharkun | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=569248#15 |
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| 17:19.56 | stew | tharkun: yes, it looks like it |
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| 17:21.22 | tharkun | stew: thx I'll look into it. If there is an upgrade on of lire any patches i make to it right now will disappear unless i make a diff file between both version and reaply it later. Right. Or will debian avoid upgrading my "patched" version? |
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| 17:22.37 | stew | tharkun: your changes would get overwritten by an upgrade unless your changes are in a conffile |
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| 17:22.45 | stew | tharkun: you could put the package on hold though |
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| 17:24.31 | lapsusbrutus | lpadmin -p HP2600 -E -v ipp://cups-on-kvm/printers/HP2600n Why does this command ask for root password on printserver? Anyone knows? I though this was for client to connect to server.. :) |
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| 17:25.51 | tharkun | stew: thx I'll look into the hold option |
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| 17:41.38 | lapsusbrutus | what do I need to configure to make all clients use one driver (e.g. cups-postscript) and then make the printer translate that to whatever driver the specific printers use.. lets say I have a heap load of printers, and want all users to be able to use only one driver? Im looking for a good howto on the subject :) |
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| 17:45.20 | tharkun | thinks that is the whole point of having postscript |
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| 17:50.21 | karlpinc | lapsusbrutus: I forget the details. I tell the cups server to be postscript and have it connect with various printers of various types and let cups translate the postscript into whatever's required. |
| 17:50.33 | jhutchins_lt | lapsusbrutus: The driver is the software that interprets the page data so that the particular printer can understand it. |
| 17:51.00 | jhutchins_lt | lapsusbrutus: A laserjet that understands PCL5 is not going to have the same driver as an Epson inkjet. |
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| 17:51.51 | jhutchins_lt | lapsusbrutus: Postscript is an increasingly standard language that many printers understand, but you still need a definition file that specifies the capabilities of different individual printers. |
| 17:52.14 | lapsusbrutus | :) So this i fix on server, And if it prints out well from the server it self, it should work from clients also using the PS one I guess. |
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| 17:52.28 | karlpinc | lapsusbrutus: I think you need to think about the vocabulary as you read the docs and it should be clear what to do. I don't recall having a problem doing exactly what you are trying to do. As far as the various computers go, they all think they're talking to a postscript printer. |
| 17:52.28 | lapsusbrutus | jhutchins_lt: Ahh the ppd I guess :) |
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| 17:53.16 | jhutchins_lt | Right, postscript printer definition iirc. |
| 17:53.18 | simonrvn | it is standard, it's more the manufs that are starting to adhere to it in more numbers |
| 17:53.39 | jhutchins_lt | simonrvn: _A_ standard. So's PCL. |
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| 17:54.02 | simonrvn | yes, a standard i sit corrected |
| 17:54.07 | jhutchins_lt | simonrvn: Therer are also extensions and variations. |
| 17:54.16 | simonrvn | yep |
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| 17:55.16 | lauris | can i run 32bit LSB executables on 64bit system ? |
| 17:55.52 | lapsusbrutus | Things are clearer now:) I really want to get to the bottom of this.. anyone have a good book on cups to recommend? |
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| 17:56.31 | jhutchins_lt | lapsusbrutus: Online documentation is probaby more current and complete. |
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| 17:57.18 | lapsusbrutus | jhutchins_lt: Ok:) Thanks a lot all! |
| 17:57.29 | simonrvn | has been around the block a few times |
| 17:57.33 | karlpinc | lapsusbrutus: If your brain gets full, draw a diagram showing what program translates from what to what on which box on the network. |
| 17:57.45 | lapsusbrutus | :) |
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| 17:58.01 | simonrvn | have fun there lapsusbrutus |
| 17:58.12 | lapsusbrutus | I think I will :) thanks |
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| 18:03.14 | lcb | hi. is there any way of installing midori 0.2.9 in lenny? the only available is 2.4.3 - squeeze |
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| 18:03.30 | karlpinc | ,versions midori |
| 18:03.31 | judd | Package midori on i386 -- squeeze: 0.2.4-3; sid: 0.2.7-1.1 |
| 18:03.40 | lcb | i mean 0.2.4.3 |
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| 18:04.16 | lcb | so... no luck :( |
| 18:04.26 | karlpinc | lcb: You could backport it yourself, or wait for Feb 5/6 for the squeeze release. :) See: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 18:04.52 | amphi | lcb: you can build midori from git; it builds against the webkit in testing |
| 18:04.55 | lcb | ok karlpinc, thanks so much |
| 18:04.56 | dvs | o_O |
| 18:05.01 | dvs | a date? wow! |
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| 18:05.49 | lcb | by the way, is there any 'how to' install ZoneMinder in lenny? |
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| 18:06.21 | karlpinc | lcb: aptitude install zoneminder ? |
| 18:06.29 | stew | not in lenny |
| 18:06.56 | karlpinc | stew: ? It's a package. |
| 18:07.00 | lcb | yep, i'm affraid not working well for lenn |
| 18:07.06 | lcb | lenny |
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| 18:07.19 | stew | karlpinc: its not in lenny |
| 18:08.04 | karlpinc | stew: I'm running lenny and aptitude says it's there. Dunno if it works. |
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| 18:08.27 | stew | karlpinc: its not in lenny |
| 18:08.28 | lcb | karlpinc« different repositories probably |
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| 18:08.51 | karlpinc | lcb: That makes sense. PBKAC. |
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| 18:08.54 | simonrvn | dvs: /topic |
| 18:08.59 | lcb | :) |
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| 18:09.41 | dvs | doesn't msg people.... oh? goodie! |
| 18:09.52 | karlpinc | lcb: Could it be in dmm? |
| 18:10.36 | lcb | karlpinc« i'll try going around their infos. too bad not updated for lenny tough |
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| 18:11.57 | stew | judd: versions zoneminder |
| 18:11.57 | judd | Package zoneminder on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 1.24.2-3.1; squeeze: 1.24.2-7; sid: 1.24.2-8 |
| 18:12.04 | stew | yes, looks like its in dmm |
| 18:12.07 | lcb | karlpinc« i'll search on dmm also |
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| 18:13.27 | lcb | thanks to all of you |
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| 18:13.38 | karlpinc | is just no good with apt-cache. You'd think I'd be able to figure this out. |
| 18:14.19 | jhutchins_lt | I thought zoneminder was a live CD. |
| 18:14.46 | lcb | that also jhutchins |
| 18:15.10 | lcb | it's a nice project |
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| 18:15.17 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, totally different from what I was thinking of. |
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| 18:37.44 | poggle | is it normal that this thing won't shut down cleanly? |
| 18:38.33 | extor | Whereabouts on the squeeze dvd can I find the initrd.gz that will work for a net install? |
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| 18:40.00 | extor | Ahh evidently nowhere. It's on the netinstall CD. |
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| 18:41.02 | jhutchins_lt | Anybody remember the factoid for how to boot when grub has the wrong root? |
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| 18:41.27 | extor | rerun grub-install |
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| 18:41.43 | extor | or edit grub.conf and put the correct root there |
| 18:41.45 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: press "e" on the menu and edit the root (hdx) section |
| 18:42.14 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: I think this guy needs to FIND the root partition. |
| 18:43.34 | extor | #grub |
| 18:43.52 | extor | fdisk -l |
| 18:43.56 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: other channel? |
| 18:44.07 | jhutchins_lt | Yep. |
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| 18:44.24 | jhutchins_lt | extor: I think dpkg has a factoid on it, and you can't do fdisk -l if you can't boot. |
| 18:44.55 | extor | jhujhiti, unless you use a knoppix livecd |
| 18:45.14 | jordanm | debian has a livecd too! |
| 18:45.20 | jordanm | actually does use knoppix |
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| 18:45.52 | jordanm | I have heard good things about dmrl though |
| 18:46.48 | extor | I cant seem to find the initrd for a net install. I want to install via PXE |
| 18:47.10 | extor | Should I use the hdinstall kernel and initrd for squeeze? |
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| 18:48.05 | jhutchins_lt | http://wiki.debian.org is not resoonding. |
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| 18:48.44 | thewanderer1 | extor: no, you should use net install images |
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| 18:51.00 | thewanderer1 | extor: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ example URL |
| 18:51.39 | extor | yeah found it |
| 18:51.43 | extor | well hidden |
| 18:51.52 | extor | I wish they'd put that in the DVD like centos does |
| 18:52.04 | thewanderer1 | in the DVD? how so? |
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| 18:53.02 | extor | Its a tiny amount of files. They could make a PXE directory on the DVD and even the CDs |
| 18:53.18 | thewanderer1 | sure. but then you'd have to download the DVD or CD... |
| 18:54.26 | extor | Which I already did just to have a local repository |
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| 18:55.11 | lcb | a note about a graphical ad-hoc browser in case we want to plug the monitor on server install or running " "obsolete" boxes: NetSurf looks like being a very nice replacement for midori while tjis one is not in lenny :) |
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| 18:57.45 | thewanderer1 | lcb: my "obsolete" box runs Chromium just fine :P |
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| 19:00.10 | lcb | thewanderer1« if is one like these, you are a happy fellow ;) http://oldcomputers.net/pics.html |
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| 19:00.57 | lcb | i like the third one on top left |
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| 19:01.47 | thewanderer1 | I like the laptop... |
| 19:02.47 | lcb | laptops not good for people. that's why they call now notebooks :) |
| 19:03.04 | lcb | they say is not good to put them on our lap |
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| 19:14.41 | cahoot | extor: look into /etc/grub.d |
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| 19:17.40 | extor | wow is this some massive net split or am I in the minority here? |
| 19:18.13 | extor | Does debian have a kernel that can do both Xen and Openvz such as the one that the openvz folks released for centos? |
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| 19:21.07 | DexterF | hi |
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| 19:21.55 | DexterF | I just moved partitions around with gparted, but I cant change the borders of the extenden partition. pointers? |
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| 19:27.29 | extor | Does debian have a kernel that can do both Xen and Openvz such as the one that the openvz folks released for centos? |
| 19:27.38 | adamkex | i am doing a netinst, what is a "Standard system" when choosing what softare to install? |
| 19:28.26 | valdyn | adamkex: like almost nothing at all |
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| 19:29.42 | adamkex | valdyn: i am making a debian-based dist, which is going to be very minimal, do i need it? |
| 19:29.53 | adamkex | i am going to have X and zsnes installed and that's about it |
| 19:30.03 | raz0 | You don't *need* it. |
| 19:30.15 | raz0 | And you can always install what you need later. |
| 19:30.26 | adamkex | raz0: okay, what packages are included in "Standard system" ? |
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| 19:30.37 | raz0 | You want me to name them all? :P |
| 19:31.22 | SolomonKull | adamkex: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/base-files |
| 19:31.26 | adamkex | raz0: no but what type of packages |
| 19:31.28 | adamkex | SolomonKull: thanks |
| 19:31.31 | valdyn | SolomonKull: thats something else |
| 19:32.22 | valdyn | SolomonKull: thats an essential package, the "Standard System" is not essential |
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| 19:32.53 | keith4 | what happened to wiki.debian.org? |
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| 19:34.27 | adamkex | nevermind i'll just install it |
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| 19:35.23 | raz0 | adamkex: aptitude search ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant |
| 19:35.38 | raz0 | according to wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 19:35.41 | raz0 | which appears to be down ATM |
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| 19:36.00 | adamkex | raz0: i don't have debian installed |
| 19:36.51 | raz0 | Well, looks like it's not a lot. :) |
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| 19:37.10 | adamkex | :p |
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| 19:37.35 | raz0 | Though it does have w3m. :o |
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| 19:37.47 | raz0 | mutt also |
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| 19:37.58 | jelly-home | mutt is an essential tool! |
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| 19:41.25 | Flash__ | damn tooting |
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| 19:45.55 | djura-san | o/ |
| 19:46.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | \o |
| 19:46.41 | djura-san | :) |
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| 19:54.41 | SolomonKull | mutt is not essential, imo. |
| 19:55.01 | SolomonKull | Neither is w3m. |
| 19:55.24 | izzyb_ | I'm having trouble with ldap authentication. I'm building new servers to replace older servers and using an existing data set that I imported from the old server. that part seems to work, and I can view the accounts and authenticate using ldapsearch, but not all the accounts work via libnss_ldap and I can't figure out why |
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| 19:56.30 | izzyb_ | getent shadow shows that all the accounts are there, but the ones that don't work don't have a password hash in the output |
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| 19:57.16 | izzyb_ | but the passwords work if I authenticate using ldapsearch. and the accounts work just fine on the old server any idea what would cause this? |
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| 19:57.20 | karlpinc | izzyb_: Anything to do with the size, or whether or not there is salt? |
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| 19:58.02 | izzyb_ | I'm not sure how to check things like that |
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| 19:58.55 | karlpinc | izzyb_: You can see the size of the hash by length. The salt has something to do with whether there's a $ sign near the beginning, or some such. It was just a thought. I've no clue. |
| 19:59.04 | izzyb_ | I tried setting the hash value of one of the accounts that isn't working with the value of one that is, but it doesn't get saved as expected. |
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| 20:00.44 | izzyb_ | yeah, I'm thinking it's related to the password hash somehow, but I don't see how exactly. I'm also assuming the problem is in libnss_ldap, not the ldap server because the ldap logs seem to indicate there were no problems witht he requests |
| 20:00.46 | cusco | w brammat1r |
| 20:00.48 | cusco | oops |
| 20:00.56 | izzyb_ | is there a way to get error output from libnss? |
| 20:02.12 | izzyb_ | just found info on logging in libnss, I'll see what shakes loose there... |
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| 20:04.49 | thewanderer1 | izzyb_: err... NSS doesn't handle passwords |
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| 20:05.17 | poggle | playback of 720 video types doesn't work well ;( |
| 20:05.26 | izzyb_ | thewanderer1: hmm, thanks. any idea how I'd troubleshoot this problem? |
| 20:05.31 | poggle | it worked very well in ubuntu, using mplayer |
| 20:05.33 | poggle | not on squeeze |
| 20:05.52 | poggle | off the top of your collective heads, is there a simple reason for that? |
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| 20:06.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | you didn't set up graphics card with the correct driver, different mplayer version, different movie |
| 20:07.25 | cusco | poggle: are you using mplayer in debian? |
| 20:07.31 | poggle | cusco, in squeeze |
| 20:07.36 | cusco | using debian multimedia repo? |
| 20:07.43 | poggle | yes cusco |
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| 20:07.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | cusco, now you only need to tell us what that was the password for :-P |
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| 20:08.01 | cusco | using w32|64codec? |
| 20:08.08 | amphi | poggle: mplayer -vo xv whatever works any better? |
| 20:08.17 | poggle | amphi, not better |
| 20:08.29 | poggle | cusco, 64bit cpu so 64 codec |
| 20:08.37 | poggle | w32? |
| 20:08.40 | cusco | poggle: have you installed it? |
| 20:08.48 | poggle | are you asking me if im using a windows codec? |
| 20:08.52 | cusco | yes |
| 20:08.57 | SolomonKull | mplayer -vo sdl in GUI and mplayer -vo fbdev for no GUI. |
| 20:08.59 | poggle | no, i haven't installed anything like that |
| 20:09.13 | cusco | CutMeOwnThroat: waht did I type? |
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| 20:09.22 | cusco | CutMeOwnThroat: nvm |
| 20:09.25 | honeypot | does the latest VLC 1.1.15 have any problem with Lenny? |
| 20:09.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | cusco, the thing before "oops" :) |
| 20:09.50 | honeypot | apt-get gives 0.8.6h, why? |
| 20:09.54 | cusco | a slash missing |
| 20:10.11 | cusco | poggle: what codec are you trying to play? h264 ? |
| 20:10.30 | poggle | it's an mkv video, so yes, i think it's h264 |
| 20:10.33 | cusco | what software is providing decoding for h264, ffmpeg? |
| 20:12.06 | SolomonKull | It should play fine in VLC, maybe not mplayer without extra codecs. |
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| 20:12.14 | amphi | cusco: libx264 by the look of it |
| 20:12.16 | poggle | cusco, yes, ffmpg |
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| 20:12.31 | amphi | cusco: from 'ldd /usr/bin/mplayer | grep 264' |
| 20:12.41 | lapsusbrutus | poggle: not that I know, but mkv could be vp8? I thought matroska was on the opposite side of mpeg |
| 20:13.02 | thewanderer1 | izzyb_: I've never migrated an OpenLDAP server with accounts... check the authentication logs though |
| 20:13.38 | cusco | poggle: and what 'des not work well' means? is it slow? |
| 20:13.46 | poggle | cusco, it is slow |
| 20:13.57 | cusco | I think there is a flag for mplayer |
| 20:14.00 | cusco | drop frames or something |
| 20:14.03 | cusco | that speeds up a bit |
| 20:14.05 | poggle | looks almost blurry as it's moving around |
| 20:14.14 | poggle | framedrop sure |
| 20:14.50 | cusco | poggle: try that |
| 20:15.06 | cusco | also -autosync 30 |
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| 20:15.10 | lapsusbrutus | poggle: or could be vorbis? mkv isnt h264 i think. Good luck though :) |
| 20:15.15 | cusco | what gfx card? |
| 20:15.18 | cusco | what drivers? |
| 20:15.29 | poggle | it's this nvidia optimus card |
| 20:15.38 | poggle | hybrid card. comes with intel on the side |
| 20:15.40 | cusco | lapsusbrutus: mkv can contain h264 |
| 20:15.44 | poggle | the nvidia doesnt even work though |
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| 20:15.56 | poggle | it's ac3 audio |
| 20:15.58 | lapsusbrutus | ok |
| 20:16.00 | cusco | what driver? |
| 20:16.01 | poggle | oh, nevermind |
| 20:16.06 | poggle | i dont know what driver |
| 20:16.19 | poggle | nbouveau and i915 |
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| 20:17.26 | poggle | i'll try compiling the latest snapshot |
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| 20:17.40 | _abc_ | How long does it take to install deb from dvd? |
| 20:17.44 | _abc_ | Approximately |
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| 20:18.12 | SolomonKull | _abc_: takes not long at all....15-20 minutes, it all depends. |
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| 20:18.14 | honeypot | 30 minutes? |
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| 20:18.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | 30 minutes to two weeks |
| 20:18.34 | honeypot | :D |
| 20:18.37 | _abc_ | ouch |
| 20:18.53 | _abc_ | 1 hour to install and 8 to tweak is ok by me |
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| 20:19.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, depends how many obstacles you meet because you're using weird hardware, don't know how to burn a DVD and burn the image ON the DVD... |
| 20:19.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... |
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| 20:20.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, when you have an internet connection and install a single machine, use the netinstall disk... |
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| 20:24.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's really no answer to that question... |
| 20:25.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | minimal install on a real machine... or some encrypted lvm/raid/whatnot setup that you muck up 3 times before you get it right? A system running inside a VM and you don't get networking to work properly? |
| 20:25.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | .... |
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| 20:30.10 | karlpinc | _abc_: You really want the netinstall. (Also type "/msg dpkg overview" into your irc client for more info on available software.) |
| 20:31.02 | _abc_ | I really don't want netinstall I have balky network hardware and a sucky inet connection |
| 20:31.07 | _abc_ | I really want the DVD |
| 20:31.10 | _abc_ | And I got it |
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| 20:31.18 | honeypot | does anyone use VLC 1.1.15 with Lenny? |
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| 20:31.49 | karlpinc | !tell honeypot about anyone |
| 20:31.49 | _abc_ | Is debian stable kde 3 or 4 based? |
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| 20:32.28 | honeypot | Does VLC 1.1.15 work fine with Lenny? |
| 20:32.42 | karlpinc | _abc_: It has kde 3 available, but note that a new stable release is scheduled for Feb 5/6. After that you'll have a year of support before you have to upgrade. |
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| 20:33.07 | _abc_ | karlpinc: good catch. I will have to get testing then? |
| 20:33.14 | _abc_ | Or wait until feb 5/6 |
| 20:33.39 | _abc_ | This is not going to be smooth I have other things scheduled by then :( |
| 20:33.47 | karlpinc | _abc_: It depends on your needs. Debian upgrades nicely, FWIW. Follow the release notes. |
| 20:33.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | _abc_, I also wanted to say you probably want squeeze... definitely on a desktop system |
| 20:34.05 | _abc_ | I will do a fresh install in a clean partition |
| 20:34.20 | _abc_ | squeeze being current testing? |
| 20:34.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 20:34.32 | karlpinc | _abc_: I dunno what kde version is in squeeze. |
| 20:34.35 | _abc_ | Ok, good to know |
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| 20:34.42 | _abc_ | I assume it is 4 |
| 20:34.47 | _abc_ | Masochists :) |
| 20:34.54 | _abc_ | Is it really so bad or is it just hype? |
| 20:35.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | even with lenny most people want an installer with a newer kernel to get the hardware-support during the install (network for example) |
| 20:35.21 | karlpinc | !tell _abc_ about overview |
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| 20:35.23 | _abc_ | CutMeOwnThroat: I usually upgrade the kernel manually to the latest from kernel.org |
| 20:35.32 | karlpinc | !tell _abc_ about make-kpkg |
| 20:36.09 | _abc_ | I know about it but I still do it by hand I have a script for that |
| 20:36.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | _abc_, sounds like a lot of unnecessary work to me... I avoid compiling those buggers whenever possible |
| 20:36.18 | _abc_ | Hehe |
| 20:36.26 | karlpinc | _abc_: But why? You have to get new kernels constantly. Better to rely on the security team. |
| 20:36.33 | _abc_ | I hack drivers and stuff, I need unfettered source access and my own scripts |
| 20:36.46 | karlpinc | _abc_: Makes sense. |
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| 20:37.04 | _abc_ | Usually the stock kernel is an option in the grub menu and I leave it there |
| 20:37.13 | _abc_ | In case I botch something (rarely) |
| 20:37.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I would think that factoid is outdated |
| 20:37.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | !kde squeeze |
| 20:37.17 | dpkg | currently broken, see http://bugs.debian.org/585751 -- before that, it'd merely been not installable: install libxklavier15 from sid to solve these problem using a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>). "Testing is called testing for a reason". |
| 20:37.38 | thewanderer1 | hm what, I my KDE works just fine :P |
| 20:38.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | quoting: Yes. The bug is no longer present in the latest testing. People who still |
| 20:38.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | suffer from this should upgrade. |
| 20:38.23 | _abc_ | Guys if I install squeeze will I have a kde working or not |
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| 20:38.39 | _abc_ | Ah so squeeze or die? |
| 20:39.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, this problem was present in squeeze... when that factoid was written |
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| 20:39.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | and thewanderer1 already thinks of re-writing it to something new, right, thewanderer1? |
| 20:39.25 | karlpinc | _abc_: May as well. After squeeze becomes stable you'll probably want to add the backports repository. |
| 20:39.26 | _abc_ | So current squeeze is upgraded internally (DVD) or do I need the net update after install |
| 20:39.29 | Hydroxide | I'm sure squeeze's kde won't be broken when squeeze is released |
| 20:39.52 | extor | Is there a way for me to "patch out" one gig of RAM out of the 8 gigs of RAM that my system has? I want to exclude some RAM that tests bad with memtest: http://oi54.tinypic.com/1zydh8k.jpg |
| 20:40.11 | poggle | well my virtual friends |
| 20:40.16 | _abc_ | Again, the current squeeze DVD has the working KDE or do I need the updates DVD to get that in |
| 20:40.18 | thewanderer1 | extor: search for "linux badram" |
| 20:40.26 | poggle | the just compiled snapshot can play these files quite smoothly |
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| 20:40.31 | extor | thewanderer1, sounds like a promising keyword! |
| 20:40.39 | poggle | so it is likely just a version issue in the repository with the mplayer junk |
| 20:40.59 | poggle | it works! |
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| 20:42.15 | karlpinc | _abc_: If you get today's snapshot things should be fixed. (You'll need the net eventually for security patches and to get what becomes the final stable release.) (I don't know anything about how the dvds are updated as squeeze progresses. I just recall that there are snapshots.) |
| 20:42.51 | _abc_ | Hm there is a updates DVD, I got it. I assume it contains the needed stuff |
| 20:43.02 | _abc_ | Has anyone here installed from DVDs? |
| 20:43.22 | _abc_ | Is the recognition of the updates DVD automatic? |
| 20:43.29 | _abc_ | Or is one prompted for it? |
| 20:43.41 | karlpinc | _abc_: ? |
| 20:44.18 | _abc_ | The install procedure from DVD will prompt for the updates DVD or is that a separate step I need to do manually later? |
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| 20:44.44 | karlpinc | _abc_: /etc/apt/sources.list says where to get software. If you install from dvd it will forever after try to get all software from whatever dvd you use. (But you probably don't want that, you probably want it to change and use the net.) |
| 20:45.04 | karlpinc | _abc_: I think that part of the install process goes to the net for security updates automatically. |
| 20:45.16 | _abc_ | karlpinc: Ah so I still need to edit it by hand? No atomated source selection? |
| 20:45.31 | _abc_ | karlpinc: Well net will not be available at that point |
| 20:45.33 | karlpinc | _abc_: You can use synaptic. There's probably other gui tools. |
| 20:45.45 | _abc_ | Yes synaptic aptitude etc I know |
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| 20:46.13 | karlpinc | _abc_: What do you mean "automated"? You need to tell it where you want to get software from. |
| 20:46.15 | babilen | ballison: I would hop over to /j #openssh |
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| 20:46.32 | babilen | ENETWORK |
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| 20:48.47 | karlpinc | _abc_: It might be sane to copy the repos to usb stick for serious offline use. |
| 20:49.44 | karlpinc | _abc_: (or if you want to update your dvds see jigdo) |
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| 20:51.44 | _abc_ | karlpinc: The current DVD set is just under 25GB. I don't have a 25GB stick, I use an external HDD |
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| 20:59.19 | karlpinc | _abc_: A little bit of net access can be a problem. Enough to get cracked but not enough to download security updates. |
| 20:59.50 | _abc_ | heh |
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| 21:25.27 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 21:31.29 | thewanderer1 | guys, there used to be /var/spool/news, right? what is the purpose and how do I establish a local news spool? |
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| 21:34.08 | babilen | as in nntp? |
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| 21:35.06 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 21:35.10 | thewanderer1 | I guess so |
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| 21:35.56 | thewanderer1 | cause all I can see are NNTP clients... |
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| 21:37.00 | eptalon | thewanderer1: the basic idea was to cache "newsgroups"; which probably makes little sense for one user, but might for several... |
| 21:37.03 | babilen | thewanderer1: I found some with "apt-file search nntpd" |
| 21:37.31 | babilen | ,info opennntp |
| 21:37.33 | judd | No record of package 'opennntp' in lenny/i386. |
| 21:37.40 | babilen | ,info opennntp --release squeeze |
| 21:37.40 | judd | No record of package 'opennntp' in squeeze/i386. |
| 21:37.41 | thewanderer1 | hmm... I OpenNTPd is not really it and Cyrus had some vulnerabilities I think |
| 21:37.47 | babilen | ,info opennntpd |
| 21:37.47 | judd | No record of package 'opennntpd' in lenny/i386. |
| 21:37.56 | babilen | ARGH |
| 21:38.52 | babilen | thewanderer1: Oh right, I was so in my "parse everyhting as NNTP" that I completely misread "OpenNTPd" :-\ |
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| 21:39.17 | thewanderer1 | :P |
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| 21:40.52 | babilen | ,info sn |
| 21:40.54 | judd | Package sn (news, optional) in lenny/i386: Small NNTP server for leaf sites. Version: 0.3.8-9.1; Size: 162.9k; Installed: 536k |
| 21:40.58 | babilen | yay! |
| 21:41.15 | thewanderer1 | wow :P |
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| 21:41.53 | thewanderer1 | "leaf sites" |
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| 21:42.10 | thewanderer1 | I guess not many NNTP servers run Debian nowadays then :P |
| 21:42.25 | eptalon | thewanderer1: don't redistribute, except for feeding upstream. |
| 21:42.39 | thewanderer1 | hmm was it a commandment? |
| 21:42.42 | Hydroxide | thewanderer1: your sentance is just as true if you remove the word Debian :) |
| 21:42.46 | jelly-home | usenet is pretty much a lost cause |
| 21:42.49 | Hydroxide | (not many NNTP servers period now) |
| 21:42.59 | thewanderer1 | hmm ok... |
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| 21:43.08 | pLr | jelly-home: what makes u say that? |
| 21:43.18 | jelly-home | pLr: I'm a news admin. |
| 21:43.22 | eptalon | When I last looked at it (about 10 years ago), the reference thing was called "INN" |
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| 21:43.35 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: in fact, there are some INN programs in the repo |
| 21:43.54 | eptalon | jelly-home: what replaced news? |
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| 21:44.06 | pLr | jelly-home: ur still not making ur point |
| 21:44.11 | jelly-home | eptalon: web and forums |
| 21:44.31 | jelly-home | pLr: join #debian-offtopic if you really want to hear it |
| 21:44.52 | thewanderer1 | well I guess it's in fact easier for me to set up some alternative means, even mail-in news, than NNTP then |
| 21:45.16 | eptalon | jelly-home: neithero f which offers things like "download new messages once a day", have all time replying, and feed it upstream perhaps once a day |
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| 21:45.39 | thewanderer1 | is there a site-local intercom program available? I can't seem to find any |
| 21:45.56 | eptalon | thewanderer1: "talk"? |
| 21:46.03 | thewanderer1 | is this site-local? |
| 21:46.11 | thewanderer1 | oh, and it'd be really nice if the messages were permanent |
| 21:46.41 | eptalon | oh, no, thats not talk. Talk is more like a user-to-user version of IRC. |
| 21:46.58 | thewanderer1 | well I've used wall and talk in the past I think |
| 21:47.09 | thewanderer1 | but after a short while I resorted to named pipes in /tmp and a bash script... |
| 21:47.33 | eptalon | thewanderer1: talk works over a network. |
| 21:47.39 | thewanderer1 | hmm... |
| 21:47.48 | eptalon | talk otheruser@ip? |
| 21:47.56 | thewanderer1 | I have to configure a talk server, right? :P |
| 21:48.14 | eptalon | iirc you need to start a talk daemon. |
| 21:48.42 | thewanderer1 | oh, right... |
| 21:48.51 | thewanderer1 | it won't provide persistence for me though |
| 21:49.00 | eptalon | last time I used talk, I wasn't on Linux/unix though. the beast was called VMS |
| 21:49.12 | thewanderer1 | and I often have 3-4h gaps between users sending and receiving messages... |
| 21:49.19 | eptalon | thewanderer1: no, it won't provide persistence. |
| 21:49.26 | thewanderer1 | well... e-mail? :P |
| 21:49.50 | eptalon | thewanderer1: if you get it locally, probably. |
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| 21:50.01 | thewanderer1 | the problem is that I have quite a lot of hosts, so it's local only to the mail server |
| 21:50.31 | jelly-home | do those hosts have A records? If they do, they can be made to send mail to each other |
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| 21:50.56 | thewanderer1 | one host has a MySQL database of "News" which are integrated with a PHP front-end |
| 21:50.57 | thewanderer1 | they don't have A records as I don't have so many IP addresses |
| 21:51.02 | eptalon | this calls for a split-dns setup (with a public and private part) |
| 21:51.12 | thewanderer1 | well, there is some in place already... |
| 21:51.22 | thewanderer1 | but only internal clients use it, not servers |
| 21:51.35 | thewanderer1 | besides, running mail servers on each host? |
| 21:51.41 | eptalon | thewanderer1: use "private network ip's"? 10.x.y.z, eg. |
| 21:51.45 | thewanderer1 | I'd only need SMTP servers right? |
| 21:51.56 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: yes, my hosts are on IPv4 private networks |
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| 21:52.28 | thewanderer1 | think I'll just roll some custom site-local news system |
| 21:52.35 | eptalon | thewanderer1: one smtp server. the hosts only need clients, no? |
| 21:52.52 | thewanderer1 | well, the hosts are really very thin servers with not a lot of RAM |
| 21:52.56 | thewanderer1 | say, 128-256M per host |
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| 21:53.25 | thewanderer1 | and... the hosts would need IMAP clients if I am to read mail from the mail server |
| 21:53.39 | eptalon | yes? |
| 21:54.03 | thewanderer1 | either that or I could share all mail spool via NFS, which is not very practical I guess... |
| 21:54.10 | eptalon | thewanderer1: ever thought about "thin client", all the host does is open a connection to a server? |
| 21:54.21 | jelly-home | it's not that thin |
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| 21:54.54 | eptalon | sharing mail spool over nfs is porbably a bad idea |
| 21:55.00 | thewanderer1 | sure, but I'll not be able to pull messages from SMTP |
| 21:55.05 | thewanderer1 | yeah eptalon |
| 21:55.22 | thewanderer1 | looks like I need to write a custom client/server protocol... |
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| 21:55.51 | eptalon | thewanderer1: looks like work. |
| 21:55.57 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 21:56.12 | jelly-home | lazy people do it over HTTP |
| 21:56.28 | thewanderer1 | but I already have some HTTP server showing the news, so I might as well code an API for it to return XML data upon logon, and have the clients parse that... |
| 21:56.33 | thewanderer1 | heh |
| 21:56.44 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: like... an RSS feed? |
| 21:56.49 | eptalon | I am from the worng corner, but I'd say use web-services; but I think you can forget running an app server in that.. |
| 21:57.02 | thewanderer1 | RSS, hey sounds nice |
| 21:57.15 | thewanderer1 | I only have to synthesize that with PHP or something |
| 21:57.46 | eptalon | rrs is so common there will be some php libs for that. |
| 21:58.05 | thewanderer1 | well, I can generate XML myself... less depends == better program |
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| 21:58.44 | jelly-home | prescribes pills for NIH syndrome |
| 21:58.45 | eptalon | you might run into the issue of having to validate xml.. |
| 21:59.03 | thewanderer1 | validate XML? what for? :P |
| 21:59.09 | eptalon | which can be cpu and mem intensive |
| 21:59.25 | eptalon | thewanderer1: less depends, better program ;) |
| 21:59.32 | thewanderer1 | well, since PHP has SimpleXML built-in in Debian, I think I'll be fine |
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| 21:59.42 | jelly-home | it's a bloody rss news feed, not financial data |
| 21:59.46 | thewanderer1 | (no libs, yay) |
| 21:59.52 | thewanderer1 | yes |
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| 22:00.42 | eptalon | oh, another question, what are the avg. turnaround times for packages to get into debian (sid/experimental)? |
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| 22:01.00 | eptalon | is waiting for xfce. |
| 22:01.14 | thewanderer1 | hmmm... they have to package it, and it has to pass lintian tests |
| 22:01.15 | eptalon | (4.8) |
| 22:01.34 | thewanderer1 | if it's already in Incoming it should be a matter of a few days |
| 22:02.15 | eptalon | xfce 4.8 released jan 16... |
| 22:02.24 | thewanderer1 | way to go dude :) |
| 22:02.39 | eptalon | current xfce version seems to be 4.6.something |
| 22:03.18 | babilen | eptalon: Packaging takes time :) |
| 22:03.23 | thewanderer1 | 10th August 2010 - KDE SC 4.5.0 Released -- what do we have in Sid? 4.4.5 :) |
| 22:03.26 | jelly-home | eptalon: wait until squeeze+1 becomes testing and sid gets its original workflow back + some weeks |
| 22:03.44 | eptalon | jelly-home: which will be 3-6 months? |
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| 22:04.12 | jelly-home | eptalon: also, debian-xfce people have their own source trees and sometimes repos |
| 22:04.52 | eptalon | jelly-home: plus (I dont know why); XFCE seems to be among the lesser-liked desktop envs. |
| 22:05.06 | kingsley | How many characters may be in an ext3 file names? |
| 22:05.10 | thewanderer1 | I feel that the attention has shifted to XFCE |
| 22:05.16 | thewanderer1 | err LXDE |
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| 22:05.43 | thewanderer1 | kingsley: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3 |
| 22:06.06 | jelly-home | kingsley: Max filename length 254 bytes[citation needed] |
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| 22:06.17 | jelly-home | note it's not in characters, but bytes. |
| 22:06.37 | babilen | !slush |
| 22:06.43 | eptalon | meaning if you take UTF16, it's not that many. |
| 22:07.12 | jelly-home | eptalon: Debian doesn't really use UTF16, but UTF-8 locales are common |
| 22:07.29 | eptalon | kingsley: how many characters would you need? |
| 22:07.37 | kingsley | thewanderer1 & jelly-home " OK. Thank you. |
| 22:07.48 | thewanderer1 | someone on the net says that 254 bytes is filename length, while path length is not restricted... |
| 22:08.00 | thewanderer1 | but Linux #defines the max path length to 4096 |
| 22:08.08 | kingsley | eptalon: In this the best of all possible worlds, maybe 10,000 sometimes. |
| 22:08.31 | eptalon | jelly-home: UTF8 can code the alphabets of the "common languages"? |
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| 22:08.52 | thewanderer1 | kingsley: hmm, perhaps you should use a database instead |
| 22:08.53 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: I've seen users create silly depth directories, probably more than 4096 bytes toto |
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| 22:09.31 | eptalon | I don't know, but for real life, 64 "characters" should be enough... |
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| 22:09.46 | thewanderer1 | we don't need more tha 640 kB of RAM anyway, right? |
| 22:09.46 | jelly-home | eptalon: let's say "yes" |
| 22:09.47 | kingsley | would like to see a command line tool that eliminates redundancy from English text. |
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| 22:09.55 | jhutchins_lt | I've seen a system where things were starting to break because of path lengths. |
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| 22:10.17 | thewanderer1 | kingsley: like, parse it and extract the meaning, shortening to just 1 sentence, which is "I don't have anything productive to say"? |
| 22:10.46 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: writing custom scripts/oneliners to delete those directories is can be fun |
| 22:10.55 | eptalon | jhutchins_lt: I have seen Application servers, coded by well-known software houses, that had problems dealing with "spaces" in path names... |
| 22:11.03 | babilen | kingsley: That'll take some time, but there is active research in that area. (not that you really care) |
| 22:11.58 | eptalon | babilen: what kind of research? |
| 22:11.58 | jelly-home | ls, hmn mnd pprcts th rdndncy |
| 22:12.14 | eptalon | babilen: you'd probably need a linguist. |
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| 22:12.56 | eptalon | Ireallythinkspacesaresuperfluousanddonthelpreading. |
| 22:13.02 | HideMe | what package is mysqldump a part of? |
| 22:13.15 | thewanderer1 | ,file mysqldump |
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| 22:13.18 | judd | mysqldump in lenny/i386: mysql-client-5.0: usr/bin/mysqldump |
| 22:13.26 | eptalon | HideMe: there's a quaint utility that is called 'apt-file' |
| 22:13.40 | thewanderer1 | judd is faster than apt-file :P |
| 22:13.47 | babilen | eptalon: Well, the areas I was referring to are "automatic summarisation" and paraphrases. It's computational linguistics though. If you want I can give you a few papers |
| 22:13.51 | HideMe | lol |
| 22:13.54 | HideMe | thanks |
| 22:14.12 | eptalon | babilen: would really be interesting... |
| 22:14.18 | babilen | eptalon: But this is a bit offtopic for #debian :) |
| 22:14.34 | eptalon | even tohugh I don't have the linguistic background. |
| 22:14.47 | eldowan | indeed, sounds quite interesting |
| 22:14.50 | eptalon | babilen: /msg? |
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| 22:16.02 | eptalon | babilen: Personally (computer scientist), I don't see how a machine could paraphrase a text. |
| 22:16.26 | jelly-home | step 1) create an AI |
| 22:17.29 | eptalon | inference engine, prolog? |
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| 22:20.07 | jelly-home | no. AI. A person in a machine. |
| 22:20.12 | babilen | eptalon: See www.mitpressjournals.org/doi/pdf/10.1162/coli_a_00004 for a recent peer reviewed journal paper in document and sentence compression |
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| 22:21.47 | thewanderer1 | I hate how linguistic computing suffers from the "English only" attitude |
| 22:22.47 | babilen | thewanderer1: what about #debian-offtopic? |
| 22:22.59 | thewanderer1 | ok |
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| 22:29.12 | thewanderer1 | !big packages |
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| 22:30.33 | remur_030 | Hi, I want to migrate a complete system over to another, is there an easy way I can compare which packages are only installed on system a and which only on system b? |
| 22:30.58 | thewanderer1 | !list selections |
| 22:31.04 | thewanderer1 | !list packages |
| 22:31.12 | thewanderer1 | eh, my dpkg-fu is weak today |
| 22:31.52 | thewanderer1 | remur_030: dpkg --get-selections shall return a package list |
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| 22:32.50 | babilen | !aptitude clone |
| 22:32.50 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>. |
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| 22:33.18 | babilen | remur_030: diff both of the lists. this method will take the difference between automatically and manually installed packages into account |
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| 22:33.50 | jelly-home | "things to backup" -- "everything; also block device and partition layouts" |
| 22:34.01 | remur_030 | thewanderer1, babilen: thanks! |
| 22:34.08 | babilen | np |
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| 22:34.16 | Some_Person | I'm a former ubuntu user in need of a new distro, and I'm considering a switch to debian. The long release cycle concerns me, however. How out-of-date do packages generally get? |
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| 22:34.28 | pipeline | Some_Person: years. |
| 22:34.33 | thewanderer1 | Some_Person: Lenny still has KDE3.5. there is no release cycle |
| 22:34.33 | jelly-home | Some_Person: 2-3 years at times |
| 22:34.36 | pipeline | Some_Person: the difference being that old debian packages still get security patches. |
| 22:34.41 | pipeline | Some_Person: your ubuntu packages don't. |
| 22:35.00 | pipeline | Some_Person: canonical only issues security updates for a very small set of specifically supported packages. Debian supports all its packages. |
| 22:35.11 | jelly-home | pipeline: Ubuntu LTS releases state they do, for 3 years from the release. |
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| 22:35.24 | pipeline | jelly-home: yes, they support a specific subset |
| 22:35.29 | jelly-home | indeed. |
| 22:35.29 | babilen | Some_Person: there are a lot of things you can do about that though. The next Debian release is imminent and I would just try it. By the time you want new software you can just come here and ask about other ways ... |
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| 22:35.55 | remur_030 | opensuse is nice to keep parts of the system up to date if you know what you are doing |
| 22:35.55 | jelly-home | pipeline: debian's security support isn't much better in that respect. |
| 22:36.05 | remur_030 | don't expect debian like stableness though |
| 22:36.17 | Some_Person | My problem with ubuntu, apart from design/political decisions that I don't support, is random crashes that nobody seems to be able to solve on my laptop |
| 22:36.24 | thewanderer1 | OpenSUSE is nice if you like mess in config files :) |
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| 22:36.50 | Some_Person | The latest 2 ubuntu releases have the crashing problem on this machine |
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| 22:37.04 | remur_030 | Some_Person: like locking up the system or single applications? |
| 22:37.32 | Some_Person | remur_030: entire system |
| 22:37.45 | jelly-home | "the crashing" isn't sufficiently detailed explanation to be considered a single issue, in any distro |
| 22:38.02 | Some_Person | Unfortunately, my attempts to get a log or report have failed |
| 22:38.07 | remur_030 | Some_Person: 5 |
| 22:38.16 | remur_030 | Some_Person: trackiing this down can be hard in any distribution |
| 22:38.42 | Some_Person | Agreed, but I'm at least hoping that another distro won't have this issue |
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| 22:40.09 | kminor | Hey guys I need help with a quick chroot question |
| 22:40.13 | remur_030 | Some_Person: if you want the latest software debian might not be the best horse to bet on, it's true squeeze is close to release, but afterwards you'll need alot of external repos to keep track |
| 22:40.22 | kminor | Is anyone here that could help answer a few chroot questions? |
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| 22:40.28 | remur_030 | kminor: just ask |
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| 22:40.47 | remur_030 | do the ubuntu ppa's offer debian releases as targets by chance? |
| 22:40.53 | kminor | I was following this tutorial here: |
| 22:40.55 | kminor | http://www.howtoforge.com/chrooted-ssh-sftp-tutorial-debian-lenny |
| 22:41.10 | kminor | and I wanted to simply chroot an entire GROUP instead of just single users |
| 22:41.19 | Some_Person | remur_030: Hmm, then what would you recommend? |
| 22:41.24 | thewanderer1 | remur_030: mixing Ubuntu and Debian is doubly foolish |
| 22:41.36 | kminor | it shows how to put the /etc/ssh/sshd_config to chroot groups, but then lower in the tutorial that script uses <username> instead of group |
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| 22:41.59 | remur_030 | thewanderer1: I didn't suggest mixing ubuntu and debian but asking if the ubuntu ppa's can build their repos for debian as well |
| 22:42.07 | kminor | For EXAMPLE: I need to chroot all users in "web1" to "/var/www/web1" |
| 22:42.23 | remur_030 | on the opensuse build service for example you can build your software for fedora, debian and ubuntu as well |
| 22:42.46 | remur_030 | it's not straight forward, especially to debian/ubuntu (deb...) but works pretty fine |
| 22:42.52 | Some_Person | I want a well-established distro with decent community support, I want to stick with GNOME, and, although unnecessary, I'd like to stick with apt + dpkg |
| 22:43.01 | remur_030 | ubuntu ppa offering that for debian should be a no brainer |
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| 22:43.27 | kminor | Anyone know how to chroot an entire GROUP instead of just usernames in that group? |
| 22:43.34 | remur_030 | Some_Person: there are only two 'big' deb based distros, and one is a cheak ripp off of the other |
| 22:43.41 | remur_030 | *cheap |
| 22:43.52 | babilen | Some_Person: Looks as if Debian is a good fix -- Just try it (Squeeze) and come here if you have problems or want to do something out of the ordinary |
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| 22:44.28 | kminor | Is Squeeze still testing? I started with Etch on my stable servers, dist-upgraded to Lenny..wonder how long it will take for SQUEEZE to be stable |
| 22:44.33 | remur_030 | arch linux is surprisingly stable as well for example and always bleeding edge |
| 22:44.42 | remur_030 | kminor: should be in februare |
| 22:44.47 | thewanderer1 | kminor: from sshd manpage: After the chroot, sshd(8) changes the working directory to the user's home directory. |
| 22:45.16 | thewanderer1 | kminor: so you simply have to set their home directories to be located under /var/www/web1 |
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| 22:45.25 | kminor | thewanderer1 : dang, I was hoping it wouldn't be for awhile, those dist-upgrades always make me weary of mistakes, i cant mess up my Debian production servers lol |
| 22:46.37 | Some_Person | I also like how this support channel isn't overcrowded, lol |
| 22:46.41 | kminor | thewanderer1 : yes but can I do that for the entire GROUP, for example using the group for all the users in the group to be chroot'd, or do I have to chroot every username individually thats on that web1 group? |
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| 22:48.00 | thewanderer1 | kminor: you can write multiple stanzas, one for every group, and chroot them to their group-based dirs |
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| 22:48.04 | babilen | !tell kminor -about wwsr |
| 22:48.17 | babilen | kminor: 5./6. February is expected |
| 22:48.24 | Some_Person | babilen: Sounds like a plan. I'll give debian a shot |
| 22:48.27 | Some_Person | thanks guys |
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| 22:48.38 | babilen | Some_Person: One second .... I'll give you some links |
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| 22:49.10 | kminor | Some_Person : Debian is rad :) ..i started on Debian and will stay with Debian...I just cant get myself to go ubuntu :) |
| 22:49.17 | babilen | Some_Person: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual + http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 22:49.28 | Some_Person | I have never used a distro other than ubuntu -- started on it in 2005 |
| 22:49.44 | babilen | Some_Person: If you wait until (probably) Friday rc2 is out, but I guess that rc1 will work just as fine ... |
| 22:49.51 | Some_Person | I liked it a lot better back then |
| 22:49.54 | thewanderer1 | Some_Person: good - back in 2005 Ubuntu was way more similar to Debian |
| 22:49.55 | kminor | Actually I started on slackware way back in the day LOL, but tried fedora core, CentOS, etc. etc....Debian was the best for stable servers |
| 22:50.35 | thewanderer1 | for me Squeeze d-i RC1 works just fine on an LXDE desktop machine |
| 22:50.52 | Some_Person | Does squeeze use grub 1 or grub 2? |
| 22:50.55 | thewanderer1 | GRUB2 |
| 22:51.00 | kminor | thewanderer1 : So do you know if I have to chroot all users individually or can I use that tutorial to chroot ssh for all users in one group? |
| 22:51.30 | thewanderer1 | kminor: yes, you can chroot all users in one group - use Match Group |
| 22:51.32 | kminor | thewanderer1 : sorta like in the Stanza they show for "sshd_config" for Groups...but not for enabling chroot, only shows for individual usernames |
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| 22:52.03 | thewanderer1 | kminor: you can well ignore the script posted there - it's their proposed solution only |
| 22:52.16 | thewanderer1 | or read the source and pick what you like |
| 22:52.28 | kminor | thewanderer1 : make_chroot_jail.sh username /bin/bash /home can "username" be replaced with "group"? |
| 22:52.48 | thewanderer1 | this script is not a part of sshd, so probably not |
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| 22:53.10 | thewanderer1 | make your own chroot jail... |
| 22:53.20 | kminor | thewanderer1 : it gives the chroot shell commands |
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| 22:53.38 | thewanderer1 | `man sshd_config` contains the parts you need for a working chroot setup |
| 22:53.43 | kminor | thewanderer1 : inside the script it allows u to enable chroot commands, here's what it looks like |
| 22:53.45 | kminor | elif [ "$DISTRO" = DEBIAN ]; then |
| 22:53.45 | kminor | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.46 | kminor | else |
| 22:53.51 | thewanderer1 | yes, I see |
| 22:53.57 | thewanderer1 | what is the problem in copying them by hand? |
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| 22:54.25 | Some_Person | And can debian easily use alsa instead of pulseaudio? My netbook has major problems with pulseaudio and is using an icky hack to get sound working |
| 22:54.33 | kminor | thewanderer1 : i know nothing, how and where would I put this by hand? |
| 22:54.43 | thewanderer1 | kminor: in the chroot :) |
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| 22:54.54 | thewanderer1 | Some_Person: by default there is no pulseaudio :P |
| 22:55.06 | remur_030 | !things to backup |
| 22:55.07 | dpkg | Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/spool/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ... |
| 22:55.09 | Some_Person | thewanderer1: nice :-) |
| 22:55.29 | kminor | thewanderer1 : So if I wanted to chroot the user "kminor" to /home/kminor how would i do that with those commands? |
| 22:56.04 | thewanderer1 | kminor: first, you set up a local file hierarchy in /home/kminor - mkdir some required dirs like bin, usr/bin, dev... |
| 22:56.11 | kminor | thewanderer1 : would I put that in the /home/kminor directory in some file? I'm lost when it gets to adding that script with those commands by hand |
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| 22:56.46 | thewanderer1 | then you copy over the binaries, mknod the required devices and you're fine |
| 22:57.02 | thewanderer1 | and you need to adjust the user's home directory, too |
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| 22:57.31 | thewanderer1 | cause chdir() is executed after chroot() so absolute chdir is then relative to the chroot |
| 22:58.03 | kminor | thewanderer1 : ahhh I see, so copy over like the "ls" "cat" binaries to the users chroot home directory? and mknod /dev/null, /dev/zero, /dev/tty /dev/urandom? |
| 22:58.19 | thewanderer1 | kminor: yes, but the paths are relative to the chroot |
| 22:58.45 | thewanderer1 | kminor: also remember that ssh will chroot the user exactly where you tell it to - it won't append anything to the chroot path unless you make it |
| 22:59.01 | kminor | thewanderer1 : relative meaning? ...sorry i feel like a noob again, thx for ur help btw |
| 22:59.20 | thewanderer1 | so if you have /home/kminor and you chroot your user to /home, the files need to be under /home/bin etc. |
| 22:59.35 | kminor | ooohhhh |
| 22:59.37 | thewanderer1 | and the home directory of that user needs to be set to /kminor then |
| 22:59.38 | kminor | I get it |
| 22:59.48 | thewanderer1 | cause /home becomes the new root filesystem (/) |
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| 23:00.27 | kminor | I see I see |
| 23:00.40 | kminor | I was totally confused by that |
| 23:00.53 | kminor | thewanderer1 : Thanks a million for clarifying that |
| 23:01.00 | thewanderer1 | well, get a virtual machine and install Gentoo |
| 23:01.11 | thewanderer1 | it's the best Linux/UNIX tutorial out there :P |
| 23:02.08 | kminor | thewanderer1 : so would I need to "cp scp /home/bin" and stuff like that too for scp in chroot? |
| 23:02.23 | thewanderer1 | most probably... |
| 23:02.27 | sphenxes | I have installed scribus several times, upgraded but i still have a problem Whatever i type, i see a crusor moving but no text (or no font). (Squeeze, scribus 1.3.3) |
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| 23:02.34 | thewanderer1 | I honestly don't have an idea how scp works internally |
| 23:03.05 | kminor | thewanderer1 : I'm a bit confused on how to use "mknod" to create devices |
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| 23:04.24 | thewanderer1 | kminor: mknod name type major minor; name is the path; type is c for character devices, b for block devices; major and minor numbers you can take from /dev |
| 23:04.32 | Bushmills | for chroot? bind mount the host /dev instead |
| 23:04.36 | thewanderer1 | to see all you need to know, call `stat /dev/zero` for example |
| 23:04.51 | thewanderer1 | Bushmills: that's a somewhat bad idea to expose host's /dev |
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| 23:05.48 | Bushmills | creating new device files "exposes" them just the same |
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| 23:05.58 | thewanderer1 | yes, but you only create a subset |
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| 23:06.47 | thewanderer1 | I know that root can break out easily from chroot, but creating the device nodes yourself saves you from some configuration errors, like adding a user to some groups by mistake and have them play with your CD-ROM tray |
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| 23:08.09 | thewanderer1 | that's just about it... gonna get some rest now before school :P |
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| 23:09.10 | kminor | THanks man |
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| 23:09.41 | kminor | thewanderer1 : I appreciate your help, I didnt know much at all about that subject, much respect |
| 23:09.51 | thewanderer1 | have fun :D |
| 23:10.11 | cire | I get errors on ata6.00. How do I translate this to a device? (e.g. sdb) |
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| 23:13.46 | Some_Person | How should I get a copy of squeeze rc1? |
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| 23:14.57 | babilen | Some_Person: Didn't I give you the link? I would recommend downloading the netinstall if you have a workig (wired) internet connection during the installation |
| 23:15.27 | Some_Person | Ah yes, somehow missed the link |
| 23:15.28 | Some_Person | thanks |
| 23:16.39 | babilen | Some_Person: You found it? |
| 23:16.44 | Some_Person | yes |
| 23:16.49 | babilen | wonderful :) |
| 23:17.03 | Some_Person | What is "jigdo"? |
| 23:17.54 | Some_Person | Oh, and it is inconvienent to put this machine on a wired connection, so I'll probably get the full cd image |
| 23:19.01 | Some_Person | errm, it needs more than one disc?! |
| 23:20.14 | babilen | Some_Person: No, the complete set includes *all* packages. CD1/DVD1 is enough to install a desktop system of your choice. CD1 comes in different flavours (gnome (default, unspecified), kde, lxde, ...) |
| 23:20.24 | Some_Person | ah |
| 23:20.33 | Some_Person | that was not made clear on that page :-) |
| 23:21.17 | babilen | it is in the install manual IIRC, but you asked and it worked out :) |
| 23:22.06 | Some_Person | Yeah, but I think I know enough to install a Linux distro without a manual at this point, so I didn't really look at it |
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| 23:26.42 | babilen | Some_Person: Well, a lot of things are explained in there. You might want to read the Debian Reference though |
| 23:26.52 | Some_Person | I'll take a look at it |
| 23:27.34 | babilen | !reference |
| 23:27.34 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
| 23:27.53 | remur_030 | !firmware |
| 23:27.53 | dpkg | Firmware (sometimes termed "microcode") is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel modules require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Ask me about <listkeys firmware> and <search> my factoids. Some firmware is available via Debian packages. See also http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware and <installer firmware>. |
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| 23:29.10 | remur_030 | is there some documentation abotu the firmwareless cds now? how can you install a system if you can't even get on your wireless? |
| 23:30.59 | poggle | i just got a kernel panic in squeeze |
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| 23:31.50 | poggle | wasn't really doing anything |
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| 23:32.44 | Some_Person | I'm thinking back to my first days on ubuntu: the simple and mostly nice ubuntu 5.10, with the incompatible hardware (nvidia graphics that didn't support my chip), and the crappy winmodem (conexant -- they were evil and wanted you to pay $20 for a non-14.4kbit restricted Linux driver)..... good times |
| 23:32.55 | jaggz | with dnbdns (vs djbdns), we don't seem to use /services/dnscache -- how does this affect djbdns? |
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| 23:35.47 | Some_Person | Now ubuntu's instability has pushed me back to Windows 7 (which I got for free, perhaps even legallly... but that's a different story). Will Debian save me? |
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| 23:37.17 | adamkex | if i am to install xorg on debian am i to install xorg or xserver-xorg? |
| 23:37.22 | adamkex | which one is the meta package? |
| 23:37.35 | babilen | !installer firmware |
| 23:37.35 | dpkg | Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s04 and http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. |
| 23:37.45 | babilen | remur_030: ^^^^^ |
| 23:39.00 | babilen | !tell adamkex about install x |
| 23:39.25 | remur_030 | babilen: thanks, I really don't think this is the right way to handle that |
| 23:39.42 | remur_030 | (removing the essential firmware that is) |
| 23:39.46 | babilen | !firmware images |
| 23:39.46 | dpkg | Unofficial daily built <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing the testing release are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/squeeze_d-i/current/ . See also <install testing>. |
| 23:40.01 | jaggz | Some_Person: not sure. nvidia's own drivers work for me. I've only tried winmodems once or twice but haven't had much luck. |
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| 23:40.05 | jaggz | [in linux with them] |
| 23:40.10 | babilen | remur_030: Debian's cultare has a lot to do with free software. |
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| 23:40.39 | Some_Person | jaggz: They do work now, but back in 2005, the specific card we had was unsupported. I had to use the vesa driver, lol |
| 23:40.59 | adamkex | babilen: thank you |
| 23:41.05 | remur_030 | babilen: yes, but not shipping the firmware images by default is also limiting the users freedom in a sense |
| 23:41.12 | babilen | adamkex: No problem :) |
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| 23:42.06 | babilen | remur_030: Just download the images with the firmware or supply it on some removable media |
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| 23:42.48 | jaggz | I have djbdns (dbndns)'s svscan running (seen in ps), but I can't find it in /etc/init.d/* nor in dpkg -L dbndns ... what's running it? I see it's a child of /bin/sh /usr/bin/svscanboot .. but what runs that? |
| 23:42.59 | jaggz | Some, that must have been slow and terrible. |
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| 23:44.14 | Some_Person | jaggz: I don't actually recall it being that bad, except for the bad refresh rate on the monitor (15" CRT at the time) |
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| 23:47.39 | jaggz | heh, "I like to think of it as if djdns doesn't work, it's your fault, if it does, then its DJ's." |
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| 23:53.01 | Some_Person | didn't realize the debian install and live cds are separate, now downloading live version to do some backups |
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| 23:53.57 | Ring0` | Hi. I was searching something about how to make user who can only access his some directory and see it as the last aviable jump (like his home dir is /) |
| 23:54.26 | Ring0` | The way prestented was something like "setting up" new system in some dir |
| 23:54.41 | Ring0` | but hell I can't remember how it was called and how it worked either |
| 23:54.44 | Ring0` | exactly |
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