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| 00:00.17 | tharkun | Actually the device i want grub pc to be able to boot is /deb/sdb1 which at this time is not mounted |
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| 00:01.54 | KaffeeJunky123 | tharkun: mount it |
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| 00:02.15 | tharkun | KaffeeJunky123: any particular mountpoint or any will do? |
| 00:02.34 | streuner_ | why somebody wants to run a second Debian on the *same* machine? |
| 00:02.44 | tharkun | streuner_: because |
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| 00:03.14 | KaffeeJunky123 | tharkun: just mount it to were you want it |
| 00:03.22 | Sloyment | streuner_: Test system? |
| 00:03.50 | streuner_ | there is chroot... |
| 00:04.37 | KaffeeJunky123 | tharkun: um it doesn't even seem to need to be mounted :/ |
| 00:04.45 | Sloyment | Can you do an installation test with chroot? |
| 00:05.00 | KaffeeJunky123 | tharkun: make sure you aren't running the old update-grub by typing update-grub2 |
| 00:05.04 | tharkun | streuner_: Actually sda is brand new hdd for a server. sdb was the test system. Somehow i f---- something on the intended new server but i am backtracking to see what went wrong. Actually i could also use a vm to play with it |
| 00:05.25 | tharkun | KaffeeJunky123: update-grub with the disk mounted also failed |
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| 00:08.58 | jamesbrink | Flimzy, bookmarked heh |
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| 00:09.57 | jamesbrink | i dont think i really need to do much more with rsyslog for a while thank god, i have to figure out how to get it into nagios now, i used to use a cool script that would watch for stuff based on regex |
| 00:11.14 | tharkun | Does editing /boot/grub/grub.cfg is done like menu.cfg used to be edited or is there some strange quirk (program) that needs to be aware of it? |
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| 00:12.30 | amphi | tharkun: see the comment at the top of /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 00:14.48 | Sloyment | Can someone tell me why MAKEDEV does not work? (It comlains about udev) |
| 00:15.30 | streuner_ | well, you are using udev or MAKEDEV... |
| 00:16.48 | Sloyment | I tried to install xawtv, and the configuration script called MAKEDEV. It thus failed to create /dev/video0 |
| 00:17.26 | streuner_ | there are rules in udev for |
| 00:17.45 | streuner_ | instead of manually create ln... |
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| 00:21.39 | Sloyment | streuner_: So what can I do in this case? |
| 00:22.21 | streuner_ | manually create the /dev/video0 via ln or (better) make a rule in udev? |
| 00:23.23 | streuner_ | or more comfortable, just use a videoplayer which doesnt has those issues |
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| 00:23.58 | stew | Sloyment: if you have a capture device, you should expect to already have /dev/video0 created by udev, there should be no reason to run MAKEDEV |
| 00:24.15 | Sloyment | xawtv didn't have these issues before... |
| 00:24.17 | stew | (have a capture device AND the driver is loaded) |
| 00:24.29 | Sloyment | stew: There is no /dev/video0 |
| 00:24.42 | stew | Sloyment: do you have a video capture device? |
| 00:24.55 | Sloyment | yes, wait... |
| 00:25.26 | Sloyment | Brooktree BT878 |
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| 00:25.40 | stew | Sloyment: is there a driver loaded for it? |
| 00:25.40 | streuner_ | .o0 (what a nightmare) |
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| 00:26.09 | Sloyment | It worked on the other machine quite well. |
| 00:26.24 | stew | judd: pciname BT878 |
| 00:26.26 | judd | 'BT878' matched: [109e:032e] 'Bt878 Video Capture' from 'Brooktree Corporation', [109e:0369] 'Bt878 Video Capture' from 'Brooktree Corporation', [109e:036e] 'Bt878 Video Capture' from 'Brooktree Corporation', [109e:0878] 'Bt878 Audio Capture' from 'Brooktree Corporation' |
| 00:26.44 | streuner_ | dpkg, listvals bt878 |
| 00:26.46 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'bt878' by value (1): bttv. |
| 00:26.58 | streuner_ | dpkg, bttv |
| 00:26.58 | dpkg | bttv is a driver for Brooktree Bt848, Brooktree Bt878 (aka Fusion Bt878) and Conexant Fusion 878A (CX23878) PCI video capture chipsets. These can be found in analog TV tuner cards produced by AVerMedia, <Hauppauge> and others. The bttv 0.9.x driver is included in mainline 2.6 Linux kernels. http://linux.bytesex.org/v4l2/bttv.html . See also <ivtv>. |
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| 00:27.22 | streuner_ | Sloyment: ever tried kaffeine? |
| 00:27.25 | stew | Sloyment: is the bttv module loaded? |
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| 00:27.50 | Sloyment | lsmod says it's loaded. |
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| 00:28.08 | stew | Sloyment: which of those deviceids do you have (lspci -nn would tell you) |
| 00:28.10 | streuner_ | or xine |
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| 00:29.29 | streuner_ | but keep in mind, in xine you have to make your own configuration, its possible via a special script... |
| 00:29.39 | Sloyment | 109e:026e / 109e:0878 |
| 00:29.41 | streuner_ | kaffeine is more comfortable |
| 00:29.50 | stew | you have two? |
| 00:29.58 | stew | judd: pciid 109e:0878 |
| 00:30.00 | judd | [109e:0878] is 'Bt878 Audio Capture' from 'Brooktree Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-bt87x', 'bt878' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=109e:0878 and the out-of-tree 'snd-bt87x' module. |
| 00:30.25 | stew | judd: pciid 109e:026e |
| 00:30.28 | Sloyment | lspci lists the board as two entries |
| 00:30.28 | judd | [109e:026e] is 'Unknown device' from 'Brooktree Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=109e:026e |
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| 00:30.39 | stew | Sloyment: is bt878 loaded? |
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| 00:30.49 | Sloyment | no |
| 00:31.57 | stew | Sloyment: load it and see if /dev/video0 shows up |
| 00:32.14 | tharkun | amphi: thx you saved my neck, but how can i make it recognize the aditional disk since update-grub seems to ignore any updates |
| 00:32.30 | stew | though i dunno about it saying "audo capture" above |
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| 00:33.00 | Sloyment | The module is in the dvb section of modconf, however I doubt the card can handle dvb |
| 00:33.36 | streuner_ | nah |
| 00:33.52 | Sloyment | The module is loaded now, but there is still no /dev/video0 |
| 00:34.17 | stew | Sloyment: then you'll need to find an out of tree driver, or try a newer kernel |
| 00:34.20 | streuner_ | the bt878 isnt a DVD-T card |
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| 00:34.31 | streuner_ | DVB-T* |
| 00:34.32 | stew | perhaps ivtv |
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| 00:34.50 | streuner_ | cable |
| 00:34.58 | streuner_ | not satellite |
| 00:35.09 | streuner_ | and NOT DVT-T |
| 00:35.12 | streuner_ | argh |
| 00:35.40 | Sloyment | ivtv loaded, still no /dev/video0 :( |
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| 00:37.51 | Sloyment | This is weird. Why did it work before? |
| 00:38.22 | streuner_ | What did you change? |
| 00:38.28 | stew | Sloyment: what kernel were you using before? |
| 00:39.13 | stew | Sloyment: do you have ivtv firmware? |
| 00:39.14 | Sloyment | I changed the PC around it, but both are on Debian. |
| 00:39.45 | Sloyment | I don't know when I used the card last, so I don't know the kernel version. |
| 00:40.34 | stew | Sloyment: unload and reload ivtv and see what the end of dmesg says (especially about missing firmware) |
| 00:41.03 | Sloyment | The new PC has had version 2.6.26 and now has 2.6.32 (backport) |
| 00:41.11 | Sloyment | wait |
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| 00:44.02 | Sloyment | Nothing is written to dmesg during unloading and reloading of ivtv |
| 00:44.21 | streuner_ | Sloyment: btw, how are you connected? |
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| 00:44.35 | streuner_ | via cable? |
| 00:44.40 | Sloyment | DSL |
| 00:44.55 | streuner_ | no, i meant the TV stuff |
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| 00:46.26 | Sloyment | The card is connected to a VCR (baseband video signal, no audio) |
| 00:47.02 | amphi | tharkun: grub-mkdevicemap perhaps? |
| 00:47.57 | streuner_ | Sloyment: what happens if you create the video device manually via ln? |
| 00:48.15 | Sloyment | ln how? |
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| 00:49.33 | streuner_ | Sloyment: ln -s |
| 00:49.43 | Some_Person | I must have done something stupid/wrong -- I installed debian, and rebooted to find an extremely minimal GNOME desktop -- too minimal for me to use. No network manager, synaptic, or any of the tools I'm used to. |
| 00:49.48 | tharkun | amphi: according to that device.map does have the |
| 00:49.55 | Sloyment | to what? |
| 00:49.58 | tharkun | amphi: according to that device.map does have the line (hd1) /dev/sdb |
| 00:50.08 | Sloyment | link to which file? |
| 00:50.09 | streuner_ | Sloyment: you just create a link to an existing video dev to a wanted video dev |
| 00:50.10 | Some_Person | I plugged in an ethernet cable to attempt to install some things, but nothing. And there's no ifconfig |
| 00:50.22 | Some_Person | What did I do wrong? |
| 00:50.35 | Sloyment | There is no video dev file |
| 00:50.58 | tharkun | amphi: never mind, i have to go now and i'll read up the rest of the night until i find the solution. Thx for the tip |
| 00:51.16 | Sloyment | I'm now trying mknod /dev/video0 c 81 0 (but I don't know what it means) |
| 00:51.41 | amphi | tharkun: good luck |
| 00:51.43 | streuner_ | Sloyment: thats not hardly possible, or the driver sucks |
| 00:52.04 | streuner_ | Sloyment: if you load a driver bt848, there should be a video dev |
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| 00:53.16 | Some_Person | Is that what debian is *supposed* to be like after installation, and if so, how do I at least get ethernet working? |
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| 00:54.10 | Sloyment | I now created the device file with mknod and then tried less -f /dev/video0 and got the response "No such device or address" |
| 00:54.55 | dvs | Some_Person: Was the cable connected when you booted up? |
| 00:54.55 | Some_Person | dvs: No |
| 00:55.09 | dvs | Some_Person: Try it. (Booting with the cable plugged in) |
| 00:55.20 | Some_Person | dvs: Is this really how minimal debian is supposed to be by default? |
| 00:55.48 | dvs | Some_Person: if you didn't select anything but the base system during the install, yes. |
| 00:56.11 | fronix | I have another disk on my debian server that i want to put stuff on how do i access it? |
| 00:56.23 | Some_Person | I selected the graphical interface and "Laptop" and the extra thing below it. All the other options appeared to be for servers (or am I stupid) |
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| 00:57.09 | dvs | Some_Person: One of them should have been "Desktop Environment" which would have gave you Gnome. |
| 00:57.21 | Some_Person | dvs: Right, I have GNOME |
| 00:57.38 | dvs | Some_Person: Then what are you missing? |
| 00:58.16 | Some_Person | I expected something more like the live CD. It had a lot of utilities and stuff that didn't get installed |
| 00:58.29 | Some_Person | But if this is just how it is I'm cool with that :-) |
| 00:58.44 | dvs | Some_Person: It can be installed later (now) |
| 00:58.52 | Some_Person | exactly |
| 00:59.08 | Some_Person | I'll reboot with a cable plugged in and install a bunch of crap |
| 00:59.34 | dvs | heh, something like that. ;-) |
| 01:00.01 | Some_Person | I guess I'm just too used to ubuntu |
| 01:00.20 | dvs | gasps |
| 01:00.41 | Some_Person | I've been an ubuntu user since 2005; this is my first time trying something else |
| 01:01.32 | tharkun | how do i query the bot for the package grub-mkconfig on lenny? |
| 01:01.38 | tharkun | file |
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| 01:03.04 | streuner_ | tharkun: dpkg? |
| 01:03.15 | streuner_ | or judd? |
| 01:03.25 | Sloyment | Er... wow!!! The card now works. I only removed it from its PCI slot and put it into another PCI slot. |
| 01:03.28 | amphi | tharkun: you have grub2 on lenny? |
| 01:03.30 | tharkun | streuner_: judd |
| 01:03.36 | tharkun | amphi: yes |
| 01:03.37 | amphi | judd: versions grub |
| 01:03.39 | judd | Package grub on i386 -- etch: 0.97-27etch1; lenny: 0.97-47lenny2; sid: 0.97-64; squeeze: 0.97-64 |
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| 01:03.52 | tharkun | ,versions grubpc |
| 01:03.54 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'grubpc' was found in i386. |
| 01:04.02 | amphi | judd: versions grub2 |
| 01:04.03 | judd | Package grub2 on i386 -- etch-backports: 1.96+20080626-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98+20100804-13; sid: 1.98+20100804-14; experimental: 1.99~rc1-1 |
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| 01:04.15 | tharkun | ,versions grub-pc |
| 01:04.16 | judd | Package grub-pc on i386 -- etch-backports: 1.96+20080626-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98+20100804-13; sid: 1.98+20100804-14; experimental: 1.99~rc1-1 |
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| 01:04.49 | jamesbrink | Flimzy, the docs are so screwy, i found this http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/multi_ruleset.html |
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| 01:05.04 | Sloyment | streuner_, stew, thanks a lot for thhe help! |
| 01:05.09 | jamesbrink | but isequal did not work i had to use what you told me, using the keywork equals |
| 01:05.14 | jamesbrink | and then & ~ |
| 01:05.40 | jamesbrink | your initial example led to some stuff from the locahost ending up in the remote host log |
| 01:05.43 | streuner_ | Sloyment: np |
| 01:05.43 | jamesbrink | but all is well not |
| 01:05.58 | jamesbrink | im totaly disgusted with rsyslog docs, |
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| 01:06.08 | tharkun | according to apt-file search grub-mkconfig is part of grub-common on squeeze, but i have no idea on how to get that for this lenny server |
| 01:06.31 | streuner_ | judd, versions grub-common |
| 01:06.32 | judd | Package grub-common on i386 -- etch-backports: 1.96+20080626-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98+20100804-13; sid: 1.98+20100804-14; experimental: 1.99~rc1-1 |
| 01:07.00 | streuner_ | and grub-mkconfig isnt in lenny? hm |
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| 01:07.17 | tharkun | streuner_: it seems it is not installed |
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| 01:08.03 | amphi | tharkun: apt-file doesn't work on lenny backports, or wherever you got grub2 from? |
| 01:08.28 | tharkun | amphi: i got grub-pc which is indeed part of debian lenny |
| 01:08.46 | tharkun | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.53 | streuner_ | hard, he is right |
| 01:09.02 | streuner_ | its in squeeze but not in lenny |
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| 01:09.17 | amphi | tharkun: ah - I didn't realise grub2 was in stable |
| 01:09.23 | streuner_ | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/i386/grub-common/filelist |
| 01:09.43 | streuner_ | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/grub-common/filelist |
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| 01:10.30 | tharkun | streuner_: according to what you just said now i understand why update-grub does not work on lenny. From update-grub man page update-grub - stub for grub-mkconfig |
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| 01:14.44 | streuner_ | tharkun: true, i using always the latest packages (sid), so it worked for me... |
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| 01:15.27 | tharkun | will have to script his way through this one |
| 01:16.13 | streuner_ | and if you make a backport? it shouldnt be risky for a server (grub) |
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| 01:17.21 | streuner_ | there is a bpo version available... |
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| 01:17.57 | Some_Person | Booting with ethernet plugged in => no internet |
| 01:18.15 | streuner_ | what does dmesg say about? |
| 01:18.23 | tharkun | streuner_: I'll script some magic tomorrow morning when i have a clearer view of my options. It's late and i've been strugling with this server for the last 24 hours |
| 01:18.31 | tharkun | thx anyway |
| 01:18.36 | streuner_ | good night |
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| 01:19.08 | streuner_ | Some_Person: ifup eth0 |
| 01:19.29 | Some_Person | now to reboot and try it (this is getting annoying) |
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| 01:23.48 | Some_Person | Now chatting to you on a different system |
| 01:23.53 | Some_Person | ifup: command not found |
| 01:24.07 | streuner_ | you arent using Debian then :-) |
| 01:24.15 | Some_Person | Errm, yes I am? |
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| 01:24.55 | dvs | Some_Person: are you root right now? |
| 01:25.12 | Some_Person | dvs: I chose to use sudo during install (no password on root account) |
| 01:25.21 | SolomonKull | Where is the welcome message when you first login localted? Not /etc/issue and editing the motd file didnt work. I just want to get rid of it, it takes up half of the screen when I login and I already know it's all GPL software. |
| 01:26.27 | SolomonKull | located* |
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| 01:28.04 | dvs | Some_Person: ifup is a standard command. It should work with root access. |
| 01:28.52 | Some_Person | Ok, sudo -i fixed that, but eth0 doesn't seem to exist |
| 01:29.18 | dvs | Some_Person: Is this lenny? |
| 01:29.18 | Some_Person | "Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0" |
| 01:29.23 | Some_Person | dvs: squeeze |
| 01:29.29 | stew | Some_Person: did you define eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 01:29.35 | dvs | Some_Person: what does "ip link" say? |
| 01:30.01 | Some_Person | ip link shows lo, eth0, and wlan0 |
| 01:30.28 | dvs | Some_Person: Whats in your /etc/network/interfaces file say? |
| 01:31.01 | Some_Person | "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback" -- that's all |
| 01:31.15 | dvs | Some_Person: you need to add an entry for eth0 |
| 01:31.24 | dvs | are you using dhcp? |
| 01:31.29 | Some_Person | yes |
| 01:31.40 | dvs | Some_Person: Then you have to add two lines: |
| 01:31.43 | dvs | auto eth0 |
| 01:31.54 | dvs | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 01:32.22 | Some_Person | ok, now I have internet |
| 01:32.25 | Some_Person | thank you |
| 01:32.28 | dvs | np |
| 01:32.51 | streuner_ | dpkg, dvs++ |
| 01:32.51 | dvs | (and stew) |
| 01:33.22 | streuner_ | stew has prolly enough karma. so he dont need another one |
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| 01:33.58 | dvs | stew could probably create Skynet and he's still have positive karma |
| 01:34.13 | stew | heh |
| 01:34.17 | streuner_ | heh |
| 01:34.27 | streuner_ | Skynet? |
| 01:34.44 | dvs | streuner_: Terminator movies. |
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| 01:34.50 | streuner_ | haha |
| 01:37.40 | dsockwell | i'm trying to build a kernel on lenny. i installed the debian sources, made my patches, and now i'm ready to build. is there a default .config that I should be using? |
| 01:38.03 | dvs | dsockwell: look in the /boot directory |
| 01:38.16 | streuner_ | the one which come from the officiall debian kernels? |
| 01:38.32 | dsockwell | found it. |
| 01:38.43 | dsockwell | apparently i can't read |
| 01:38.46 | dsockwell | thanks dvs |
| 01:38.48 | streuner_ | dsockwell: well, but why do you need to make your own kernel? |
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| 01:39.01 | dsockwell | i want to put my FC card into target mode |
| 01:39.13 | streuner_ | has bad experiences since he broke his SCSI device... |
| 01:40.00 | streuner_ | one mistake and the device said "Hasta la vista Baby" |
| 01:40.33 | dsockwell | you mean you bricked the adapter? |
| 01:40.46 | streuner_ | yes, the adapter was broken then |
| 01:41.08 | streuner_ | wrong device |
| 01:41.19 | streuner_ | ehm, wrong driver |
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| 01:42.08 | dsockwell | well |
| 01:42.17 | dsockwell | these cards are cheap, i'll sacrifice one if i have to |
| 01:42.28 | factor | Does debian have a package for java lint |
| 01:42.59 | streuner_ | factor: /msg dpkg search |
| 01:43.12 | factor | apt-cache search as well |
| 01:43.15 | factor | but came up empty |
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| 01:44.36 | lahwran | ok don't hurt me for asking such an unholy question ... but are there any implementations of apt in java that anyone here knows about? |
| 01:44.43 | Sary | Hello Debianers! :) |
| 01:45.05 | lahwran | I need something that will work with a java program :s |
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| 01:45.49 | kannan1222 | hello |
| 01:45.57 | Sary | Shouldn't grub2 depend on os-probe to detect other OS'es .. |
| 01:46.21 | streuner_ | thats a rhetoric question? :-) |
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| 01:46.58 | streuner_ | sure, os-probe is helpful then |
| 01:47.31 | streuner_ | but let me say, WHY should Debian support os-probe... |
| 01:47.35 | Sary | :) i am just asking to make sure that i've understand it right. |
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| 01:49.06 | streuner_ | to be concret, its a maint issue, if the maint thinks its a important depends, s(he) create it then... |
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| 01:49.44 | dvs | no internet? |
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| 01:49.52 | Some_Person | I can't seem to be able to open Synaptic -- gksu says my password is wrong |
| 01:49.56 | streuner_ | he is already here :-P |
| 01:50.10 | Sary | Here is the thing , ive installed Debian alongside NixOS .. but now Grub 2 menu doesn't even show up. |
| 01:50.35 | streuner_ | os-probe isnt perfect |
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| 01:51.36 | Sary | Will , surprise me that os-probe is installed in Debian Squeeze by default. |
| 01:51.59 | Sary | Yet, it didn't detect NixOS. |
| 01:52.07 | streuner_ | yes, even some people make mistakes :-P |
| 01:52.28 | streuner_ | (it wasnt installed by default, IIRC) |
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| 01:53.19 | negge | I just upgraded alsa using module-assistant, but I can't load any modules cause it tries to use the kernels own ones. How do I make it use the newly built? |
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| 01:53.43 | streuner_ | why? |
| 01:53.55 | streuner_ | why do you need a new version of ALSA? |
| 01:54.00 | negge | because I have some audio issues |
| 01:54.15 | streuner_ | it didnt work before? |
| 01:54.24 | negge | why would I be upgrading if it worked? |
| 01:54.28 | Some_Person | Why is gksu claiming my password is wrong? |
| 01:54.33 | streuner_ | well, just try OSS4 |
| 01:54.48 | negge | streuner_: I tried, it works, but not in XBMC |
| 01:54.58 | streuner_ | uhm |
| 01:55.30 | streuner_ | thats another issue |
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| 01:56.22 | jgalt | Some_Person: is it just gksu that claims you have the incorrect password? can you use sudo for instance from the shell |
| 01:56.40 | Sary | Some_Person, gksudo is just a symbolic link to gksu . |
| 01:56.40 | Some_Person | Yes, "sudo synaptic" and "gksudo synaptic" work |
| 01:57.22 | streuner_ | negge: /msg dpkg xbmc |
| 01:57.28 | Some_Person | Sary: Then why is one working but not the other? |
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| 01:58.27 | negge | streuner_: I need to get these modules loaded |
| 01:58.30 | Some_Person | Could it be expecting a password for the root account for some reason? I don't have one set (using sudo) |
| 01:58.46 | negge | Some_Person: try it |
| 01:58.48 | negge | I think it does |
| 01:58.59 | streuner_ | negge: well, and i have no idea about xbmc at all... |
| 01:59.27 | streuner_ | negge: you already have (prolly) all modules loaded (ALSA)... |
| 01:59.32 | Some_Person | Indeed, setting a root password worked |
| 02:00.09 | Sary | Some_Person, excuse me , i got confused. |
| 02:00.39 | negge | streuner_: no I don't |
| 02:00.39 | streuner_ | negge: #xbmc 273 The Official XBMC channel | Dharma is released! | No Xbox Support| Do NOT PM staff | http://xbmc.org | http://wiki.xbmc.org | Platform channels: #xbmc-linux #xbmc-osx #xbmc4xbox |
| 02:00.45 | Some_Person | Sary: Tis ok. We all do at some point :-) |
| 02:00.56 | streuner_ | negge: they prolly have more knowledge |
| 02:01.07 | negge | streuner_: well, this is not exactly an xbmc issue... |
| 02:01.17 | streuner_ | what else then? |
| 02:01.33 | negge | like I said, I'm trying to get ALSA modules loaded after upgrading them with module-assistant |
| 02:02.05 | streuner_ | but you told us, it didnt work before... |
| 02:02.24 | streuner_ | and only with xbmc? |
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| 02:02.34 | negge | well it did, sort of, but some things didn't (s/pdif passthrough) |
| 02:03.02 | negge | streuner_: yeah it seems to be an xbmc-specific (already filed a bug report and everything), but the latest version of ALSA has a bunch of updates for my cards driver so I thought it was worth a try |
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| 02:10.47 | kannan1222 | hey why is the debian cd so huge |
| 02:11.02 | dvs | huh? |
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| 02:11.35 | karlpinc | kannan1222: If you want to install the netinstall is probably the best choice. |
| 02:11.50 | magyar | hi, what could be the problem if I have "caret a" displayed in man pages on console? |
| 02:12.43 | karlpinc | kannan1222: New to debian? See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware |
| 02:13.08 | dsockwell | what do you mean huge? |
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| 02:15.13 | kannan1222 | how big is the net install in size |
| 02:15.27 | kannan1222 | i pay for my internet for usage |
| 02:15.35 | dvs | oh ok |
| 02:15.40 | dvs | about 150MB |
| 02:15.49 | dsockwell | the net install is about 150MB, then you download however much software you ask for |
| 02:16.23 | kannan1222 | okey |
| 02:16.25 | dsockwell | kannan1222: if you have a spare machine, and plan on experimenting with debian installs, you should consider running a caching proxy to save on transit charges. |
| 02:16.26 | kannan1222 | how do i do it |
| 02:16.53 | dvs | Download the iso image from a mirror or torrent. |
| 02:16.54 | dsockwell | you download the CD, boot from it, and follow the menus. |
| 02:17.09 | kannan1222 | i don't mind downloading if its like under 4 gigs |
| 02:17.28 | dvs | it depends how much software you install |
| 02:17.30 | dsockwell | doing the net-install a few times can add up |
| 02:18.02 | kannan1222 | i just want the basic |
| 02:18.16 | kannan1222 | i will install what ever i want later |
| 02:18.20 | dsockwell | then do this: |
| 02:18.25 | dsockwell | download CD 1 |
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| 02:18.37 | dvs | no, netinst |
| 02:18.43 | kannan1222 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 02:18.56 | kannan1222 | they have like 8 dvd |
| 02:19.01 | kannan1222 | i am so confused |
| 02:19.03 | dvs | try iso-cd |
| 02:19.23 | kannan1222 | they have 54 iso cds |
| 02:19.33 | kannan1222 | 53 sorry |
| 02:19.39 | kannan1222 | that is huge |
| 02:19.46 | dsockwell | if you download CD1, it will install a working system and you can screw up installs to your heart's content without downloading half a gigabyte every time |
| 02:19.51 | dsockwell | you only need the first CD |
| 02:19.53 | streuner_ | kannan1222: ever downloaded 50 floppies? |
| 02:20.05 | yki | can somebody explain how to make dynamic ip static so i can browse my server remote?? |
| 02:20.12 | streuner_ | kannan1222: in 93? |
| 02:20.16 | dvs | goes back to his Slackware days |
| 02:20.30 | kannan1222 | lol not realy |
| 02:20.34 | streuner_ | dvs: you know what iam talking about :-) |
| 02:20.44 | kannan1222 | never had a pc then |
| 02:21.04 | dsockwell | i used a CD that came out of a book and NEVER UPGRADED because it would have taken too long |
| 02:21.07 | streuner_ | well, you should be able to download a netinstall CD |
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| 02:21.23 | streuner_ | otherwise you shouldnt use Debian |
| 02:21.27 | dvs | where's the testing weekly one? |
| 02:21.31 | kannan1222 | yki- are you behind a router? |
| 02:22.01 | yki | kannan1222 yes |
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| 02:22.18 | yki | so i set it up with apache and i can see in on lan |
| 02:22.22 | yki | but not remote |
| 02:22.28 | dsockwell | the netinstall will work, but you'll download the same stuff over-and-over if you install multiple times. if you have to save bandwidth, get CD1 so you can have a working system without spending money every time. |
| 02:22.30 | kannan1222 | are you getting a 192.168.1 or 192.168.2 ip address? |
| 02:22.37 | yki | yes indeed |
| 02:22.45 | yki | .1 |
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| 02:22.49 | yki | .4 |
| 02:23.04 | kannan1222 | what you need to do is port forwarding, look up port forwarding for your device one google |
| 02:23.17 | dsockwell | yki: by 'remotely' do you mean from within your LAN, or from the coffee house across town? |
| 02:23.30 | yki | coffe house across town |
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| 02:23.41 | dsockwell | okay, yeah, you need to set up NAT |
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| 02:24.07 | dsockwell | yki: www.portforward.com |
| 02:24.24 | yki | thx guys Ill read |
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| 02:27.30 | yki | but what if it aint in the list below |
| 02:27.48 | yki | sagem vdsl2 f3464? |
| 02:27.49 | HeXiLeD | after changing my locales i get this error evertime i install some pacage : http://dpaste.com/337948/ - i checked the wiki and tried to solve it but i may ihave missed something. any ideas ? |
| 02:28.06 | HeXiLeD | lang should now be en_us |
| 02:28.25 | dsockwell | yki: either look at the other models' instructions and try to figure it out, or google 'sagem vdsl2 f3464 port forward' |
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| 02:29.12 | dvs | HeXiLeD: Did you select en_US after you ran "dpkg-reconfigure locales"? |
| 02:29.35 | HeXiLeD | yes i selected the ones i wanted. |
| 02:31.30 | HeXiLeD | # locale still shows everything with the old locale |
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| 02:33.05 | dvs | logout and in again? |
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| 02:41.40 | karlpinc | dsockwell: (Or use something like apt-cacher.) |
| 02:42.15 | dsockwell | or that |
| 02:44.43 | guampa | hello, first time user here ... installing from a 20M minimal install into a vm and need to know, is there a description on the packages for bootstraping the install? i see one for continuing the installation over ssh for example etcet |
| 02:45.35 | guampa | in "load components from cd" |
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| 02:50.09 | dondelelcaro | guampa: there is in the menu, and the install guide explains most of them, too |
| 02:51.19 | guampa | ok |
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| 02:54.41 | topgun21 | I have i fresh install of debain with lxde and i camn't seem to get my wifi card BCM 4312) working through wicd even after adding my regularuser to the netdev usergroup and the sudo usergroup. ifconfig recognizes the card and i have installed the correct drivers SPER THE DEBIAN WIKI PAGE FOR BCM 4312 CHIPSET WIFI CARDS |
| 02:55.49 | dvs | topgun21: http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 02:55.53 | kenifanying | topgun21,http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43?highlight=%28b43%29 |
| 02:57.10 | kenifanying | topgun21,I have a bcm4312 wifi card, and it work well. |
| 02:57.23 | dvs | I did and it worked well. ;-) |
| 02:57.30 | dsockwell | topgun21: you have to install the firmware for the card, as including it by default would sully debian's virginal licensing |
| 03:00.01 | kenifanying | hi everyone, I want to install aircrack-ng，but aircrack-ng is not included in squeeze.So, I download the source code, and make, but some error has happened,see http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43?highlight=%28b43%29 |
| 03:00.28 | kenifanying | or,no It's here http://paste.debian.net/105218/ |
| 03:00.56 | kenifanying | anyone can give me some advice? |
| 03:01.21 | Bop | kenifanying, aircrack is included in squeeze |
| 03:01.30 | Bop | aptitude search aircrack |
| 03:02.10 | kenifanying | Bop,I try it,but nothing can be found |
| 03:02.16 | Bop | oO |
| 03:02.23 | Bop | wrong repositories then |
| 03:02.29 | Bop | because i see it |
| 03:02.47 | Bop | ,versions aircrack-ng |
| 03:02.49 | judd | Package aircrack-ng on i386 -- etch: 1:0.6.2-7etch1; etch-security: 1:0.6.2-7etch1; lenny: 1:1.0~rc1-2; sid: 1:1.1-1.1 |
| 03:02.56 | Bop | hmm |
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| 03:03.08 | Bop | strange |
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| 03:03.46 | Bop | kenifanying, for that error , looks like u need openssl-dev package |
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| 03:04.05 | kenifanying | aptitude install openssl-dev? |
| 03:04.27 | Bop | no |
| 03:04.35 | Bop | i dont know what package for sure |
| 03:04.47 | Bop | but u miss some openssl libs |
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| 03:05.38 | Bop | kenifanying, try this one -> p libglobus-openssl-dev - Globus Toolkit - Openssl Library Development Files |
| 03:05.44 | phajas | hey, in a control file for a .deb, are dependencies comma delimited? or space delimited? |
| 03:05.51 | kenifanying | Bop, I search for aircrack-ng use Debian packages in iceweasel, aircrack-ng is included in lenny and sid but not included in squeeze! |
| 03:06.04 | Bop | kenifanying, i see that too |
| 03:06.10 | Bop | used to be on squeeze |
| 03:06.16 | Bop | dont know what happen |
| 03:06.24 | kenifanying | Bop,ok, i try it. |
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| 03:09.49 | kenifanying | Bop,thanks， it's the collect answer! :-) |
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| 03:10.00 | Bop | ok kenifanying , no prob :) |
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| 03:22.32 | babilen | !why is aircrack-ng not in testing |
| 03:22.33 | dpkg | aircrack-ng is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=aircrack-ng |
| 03:22.38 | babilen | Bop: ^^^^ |
| 03:23.36 | Bop | babilen, because of bugs then ? |
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| 03:23.51 | stew | !dbugs 588588 |
| 03:23.55 | dpkg | #588588:S[aircrack-ng] aircrack-ng: debian/copyright is missing information for src/sha1-sse2.* (); Fri, 09 Jul 2010 22:15:02 UTC [] |
| 03:24.08 | Bop | ok |
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| 03:26.20 | stew | that bug identifies that we cannot legally distribute binaries of aircrack-ng until the copyright holders agree on compatible licensing |
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| 03:28.04 | De_Mon | anyone have success with the odbc 5.1 driver and mysql 5.1? I'm getting access denied errors with odbc but mysql client works just fine on the same machine :( |
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| 03:28.58 | kenifanying | stew,but why aircrack-ng is included in sid? |
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| 03:31.08 | stew | kenifanying: we suspect that it is not the copyright holders' intention to prevent it from being distributed, so we don't worry too much about our liability there |
| 03:31.41 | Bop | how can i sign to maintain a package for the debian tree ? |
| 03:31.50 | Bop | like |
| 03:31.57 | Bop | compiling and uploading |
| 03:31.58 | stew | Bop: an exising package? or something not yet in debian? |
| 03:32.08 | Bop | hmm |
| 03:32.23 | Bop | an existing package without maintainer |
| 03:32.27 | Bop | or a new onee |
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| 03:32.32 | Bop | could be |
| 03:33.25 | stew | Bop: for an existing package, you retitle the O: (orphaned) or RFA: (request for adoption) bug on that package to a "ITA:" (intent to adopt) bug, and take owenershop of the bug |
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| 03:33.43 | Bop | bug ? |
| 03:33.45 | stew | Bop: then you start working on preparing a package, then you find a debian developer to sponsor the uploads once you have a package in good shape |
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| 03:34.29 | Bop | how can i do all that lol |
| 03:34.33 | stew | for a package not yet in debian, you create a ITP: (intent to package) bug against the wnpp pseudo package (/msg dpkg wnpp), or retitle the RFP (request for packaging) bug to ITA and take ownership |
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| 03:34.52 | stew | (after, of course checking that an ITA doesn't already exist) |
| 03:35.05 | stew | Bop: /msg dpkg bts ; /msg dpkg wnpp |
| 03:35.07 | Bop | where do i do all that |
| 03:35.08 | Bop | ok |
| 03:35.11 | stew | the bts |
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| 03:35.51 | open | I really wasn't kidding about the keyboard messing up like that :). anyone have any idea what may be causing it? |
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| 03:37.40 | open | er, maybe that message wasn't. So anyway, here's the situation: my desktop, which now last sid on it -- after an upgrade has some things messed up. Keys typed on a keyboard aren't recognized instantly... I have to hold on to it for about 1 second... (and then let go of it quickly, so I don't end up typppppppiiiiing liiiiikkkkkeeee tttthhhiiiss, etc.) |
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| 03:37.59 | open | I've no idea what may have caused it. Do you guys of this thing happening? |
| 03:38.19 | open | s/last/has/ |
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| 03:40.43 | stew | open: can you pastebin the output of "xset q" ? |
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| 03:41.18 | stew | well, hmm, repeat settings would account for the delay of the initial character, i guess |
| 03:42.36 | open | stew: http://pastebin.com/viSUjqjY |
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| 03:48.48 | open | stew: what setting would I have to change? |
| 03:48.50 | Some_Person | Does debian have anything similar to ubuntu PPAs? |
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| 03:51.05 | open | ah, well I've made speed 'fast' and delay long, at least now I don't have to take my fingers off the keys IMMEDIATELY |
| 03:51.28 | open | but still it takes about one whole second for it to be typed |
| 03:52.15 | ohzie | Hey has anyone installed Debian in vmware player? I am stuck at "running grub-update" and I was wondering if there's any way I can not get stuck there. :| |
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| 04:00.07 | nickgaw | Hi, Does anyone here know if with the simple-cdd paackage of a way I could tell the finished iso image to use the gtk installation choice by default and also to pass boot options to either the kernel or the installer as I can't find a default.conf file to edit or any good documentation on doing major customizations for this program? |
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| 04:03.36 | topgun21 | Somthing i wrong with my wpa_supliment package |
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| 04:16.17 | karlpinc | Some_Person: What's a PPA? |
| 04:17.04 | Some_Person | karlpinc: Personal Package Archive -- it's a feature of launchpad (ubuntu's bug tracker/development website) where you can create your own APT repository on their server and upload packages to it |
| 04:17.17 | greedo | is there a debian dev channel? |
| 04:17.35 | karlpinc | greedo: #debian-mentors For debian development. |
| 04:18.09 | greedo | karlpinc: thx |
| 04:18.11 | karlpinc | Some_Person: Dunno. You could check the wiki. I imagine that most people just make their own repo. |
| 04:18.54 | Some_Person | karlpinc: Yeah, but I don't exactly have a server I can dedicate to that |
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| 04:20.05 | karlpinc | Some_Person: It wouldn't have to be dedicated so long as it's up when you need it. |
| 04:20.20 | Some_Person | karlpinc: If I'm providing it for other people to use, it would |
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| 04:20.37 | karlpinc | greedo: Perhaps on irc.debian.org? |
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| 04:22.13 | karlpinc | Some_Person: There may be a way to submit your packages to debian itself. Dunno. |
| 04:23.58 | Some_Person | karlpinc: No, that's no good. On ubuntu, I maintained a repository of SVN snapshots of a game on launchpad. I'd like to do the same for Debian now. These are not packages that would be right for distribution by a distro |
| 04:23.58 | karlpinc | Some_Person: The wiki has a page on non-debian repos with software for debian. You could look there if submitting to debian is not an option. |
| 04:24.28 | greedo | karlpinc: yes, it is there |
| 04:24.45 | karlpinc | Some_Person: Are they non-redistributable? There is non-free stuff in the debian repos. |
| 04:25.34 | karlpinc | Some_Person: You may want to try again later when there's someone who knows more than I do. |
| 04:26.26 | Some_Person | They're redistributable, but they're the development version of the game. The game is split into 3 versions: stable, unstable, and development. Debian already has the stable and unstable versions. The development version is basically just the raw commits people make using svn (think debian unstable). This isn't something you can really release in a distro |
| 04:27.43 | karlpinc | Some_Person: You might want to talk to #debian-mentors on irc.freenode.net, although I am unfamiliar with exactly what the topic is there it's for people who package for debian. (Perhaps then it belongs in debian unstable?) |
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| 04:28.12 | karlpinc | Some_Person: After all, sid is never released. |
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| 04:29.51 | Some_Person | karlpinc: I don't think so. It's not really what you would release at all. It's the kind of thing that gets updated whenever some developer makes *any* change to the source. Although it *might* fit in with debian unstable's philosophy, I can't imagine this propagating to testing and then stable. |
| 04:30.31 | Some_Person | especially since 2 versions are already carried by debian |
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| 04:31.26 | karlpinc | Some_Person: Ok. You've exhausted my knowledge at this point. Sorry I can't be of more help. (What about something like sourceforge.net or savannah.gnu.org? (sp?) |
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| 04:38.17 | karlpinc | Some_Person: The wiki leads me to http://debian-maintainers.org/ Dunno. |
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| 05:25.28 | yow | hi |
| 05:25.47 | yow | has anyone ever used ASUS SDRW-08D2S-U in debian/linux? |
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| 05:53.05 | jimerickson | just got debian lenny running on a samsung R880 phone. very happy with debian. i highly recommend it |
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| 05:57.33 | tonytraductor | does anybody have any idea why running latex on a .tex (in lenny) no longer gives me a .dvi? it goes straight to pdf |
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| 06:00.02 | greedo | currently I get a .aux and .log in addition to the normal pdf |
| 06:00.13 | tonytraductor | yeah, but I want a .dvi |
| 06:00.21 | tonytraductor | pdf is a non-free.proprietary format |
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| 06:00.58 | tonytraductor | I'm trying to figure out if I can use the .dvi to straight to .djvu, or in some other way do .tex to .djvu, without using .pdf as a bridge here |
| 06:01.41 | tonytraductor | I also want to figure out how to do .odt to .djvu, but, an odt being a zipped up bunch of xml, that's going to be a much bigger job. |
| 06:02.26 | tonytraductor | but, I'm kind of tired of how we insist on free free free, but pdf is everywhere...we need to make use of free alternatives. .djvu seems the logical choice |
| 06:03.07 | greedo | pdftex -output-format dvi |
| 06:03.21 | greedo | from what the pages say |
| 06:03.23 | tonytraductor | I didn't find that in the man page. thanks |
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| 06:09.51 | tonytraductor | it just hangs |
| 06:13.26 | ice799 | hi anyone around with experience with debhelper stuff? |
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| 06:17.23 | ScottG | How can I find out what package a certain file is part of? |
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| 06:21.29 | greedo | ScottG: you may find the bottom section of this page helpful: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 06:30.55 | ScottG | greedo: Thanks. I could have sworn that there was a cli way to do it, though |
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| 06:31.05 | Insayne | I have two users: user foo, and user bar, foo runs my httpd and needs read/write access to /web, now i want user foo to get /web/foo for a subdomain, how can i give user foo the right to do so? |
| 06:31.16 | jmarsden | ScottG: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 06:31.17 | Insayne | err, let me rephrase |
| 06:31.58 | Insayne | I have two users: user foo, and user bar, foo runs my httpd and needs read/write access to /web, now i want user bar to get /web/bar for a subdomain, how can i give user bar the right to do so without foo having issues? |
| 06:32.04 | ScottG | jmarsden: Perfect, thanks |
| 06:32.12 | jmarsden | ScottG: You're welcome |
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| 06:33.24 | jmarsden | Insayne: As long as foo won't need to write inside /web/bar/ you can just chown bar /web/bar/ and be done... am I misunderstanding your requirement? |
| 06:34.27 | jmarsden | Insayne: chmod 0755 /web/bar/ too, of course, so it is world readable and therefore the web server will serve it :) |
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| 06:35.06 | Insayne | jmarsden, well foo should also still have write/read |
| 06:35.21 | Insayne | i want both users to end up with read/write, and not care who wrote the file |
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| 06:35.24 | jmarsden | Why does foo need to write inside bar's virtualhost? |
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| 06:36.45 | Insayne | cause i wish it to be able to |
| 06:36.57 | Insayne | when i run anything through httpd or php, it will run through user foo, not bar |
| 06:37.03 | Insayne | thus write access is still required |
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| 06:40.20 | jmarsden | You don't really *want* the web server able to overwrite all the files bar carefully creates! (only to be able to write to a few data subdirectories, usually...) But anyway... OK, then you need to create a group called foobar and add both foo and bar to it, and then chmod 2775 /web/var/ # I think! |
| 06:40.52 | jmarsden | And chown :foobar /var/bar |
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| 06:42.26 | jmarsden | Insayne: Note... I may be a little too tired for me to be 100% accurate in all of the above, but I think that's the way to go :) |
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| 07:30.33 | psycose | Hi, i got a Debian Squeeze running a voyage linux kernel (2.6.32), i got problem to activate port forwarding, on one of my box, the same script work well on anothers boxes, see http://pastie.org/1483455 any idea ? thanks |
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| 07:32.12 | kolla | is it of interest that performance of xfs on the 2.6.32 kernel of squeeze is 1/5th of the performance with newer (or older) kernels? |
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| 07:44.31 | psycose | Hi all, i got problem to activate port forwarding, on one of my box, the same script work well on anothers boxes, could someone check my forwarding script see http://pastie.org/1483455 ? thanks |
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| 08:54.10 | tobago | i'm planning to install debian 32bit on my little intel atom z530 machine: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.7/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 08:54.10 | tobago | is it recommended to use the http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.7/i386/iso-cd/debian-507-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 08:54.10 | tobago | or http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.7/i386/iso-cd/debian-507-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso ? |
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| 08:58.27 | simonrvn | up to you, they're pretty much the same except one has xfce on it and the other has gnome |
| 08:58.32 | sep | tobago, i allways use the netinstall, and allways install a minimal system. only if I don't have network would i use one of the CD's the default cd have gnomeish packages. your second alternative have xfce. |
| 08:59.21 | sep | altho you can without a problem use the gnomish one and install xfce afterwards... it's just what packages are put on the cd, so you dont have to download them later... |
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| 08:59.35 | tobago | simonrvn: sep: what do you advise which display manager to use? xfce or gnome? |
| 08:59.37 | sep | + some boot arguments |
| 08:59.47 | sep | tobago, kde |
| 09:00.10 | tobago | sep: aha. what is the key reason for you to use kde? |
| 09:00.13 | sep | tobago, depends on your preferences. 98% of my machines have no X11 or grafical display |
| 09:00.18 | sep | tobago, it's what i know how to use |
| 09:00.24 | tobago | alright. |
| 09:00.31 | sep | apples/oranges/bannana |
| 09:00.46 | tobago | sep: xfce is less use of resources? |
| 09:00.50 | sep | taste them and make up your own mind. they are all awesome in their own ways |
| 09:01.03 | sep | aye |
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| 09:02.01 | tobago | sep: alright. it's a intel atom z530 processor. so maybe i should use xfce for less use of resources? |
| 09:02.59 | sep | or lxde |
| 09:03.40 | sep | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_X_Window_System_desktop_environments |
| 09:04.35 | sep | choice is scary :) |
| 09:05.00 | simonrvn | ohnoez |
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| 09:19.18 | rmrfchik | aloha. I have small pc with nvidia tegra and atom (used as multimedia box). I successfully running latest debian all works fine except there is no console over HDMI. Only X11 |
| 09:19.30 | rmrfchik | is there way to get console on hdmi? |
| 09:20.00 | tobago | somebody bad experiences with wifi rt73 driver? http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73 |
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| 09:52.13 | delby | hi. im using squeeze/gnome. when i set mandatory settings using gconftool-2, the new mandatory settings replace existing values for these specific keys for existing users and leave the rest of the config tree the same. however, when i then add a new user, the mandatory settings completely change ~/.gconf for the new user. it somehow prevents ~/.gconf from being populated properly as it would... |
| 09:52.14 | delby | ...have been by default had i added a user without setting any mandatory first. how do i make sure the settings for new users are generated like default and only the few values i set as mandatory are changed? |
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| 10:24.16 | Shadur | Is it possible to tell apt /not/ to use ipv6 to download packages even when the repository host has an AAAA record and the system has an ipv6 address? |
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| 10:41.05 | themill | Shadur: very few applications have such an option. This is something that you have to get right at the system level. |
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| 10:53.06 | lapsusbrutus | Network controller: Intel Corporation Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300 #This is my wireless output from lspci. Debian Squeeze dont support it.. What should I do to make it work (Lenovo Thinkpad X200) |
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| 10:53.53 | darkex | hi, can i ask which piece of software provides the command "route" ? |
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| 10:55.39 | themill | lapsusbrutus: that should work just fine in squeeze, you need the firmware, however. /msg dpkg iwl5300 |
| 10:55.41 | llutz | darkex: net-tools: /sbin/route |
| 10:55.57 | simonrvn | that should e already installed |
| 10:55.59 | simonrvn | be |
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| 10:56.22 | llutz | darkex: iproute: /sbin/ip should be preferred |
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| 10:57.09 | darkex | i net-tools - The NET-3 networking toolkit |
| 10:58.44 | darkex | oh my bad |
| 10:58.50 | darkex | wasn't root |
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| 11:12.35 | wrksx | am I bound to use one ssh connection for each term I need to open on a distant server ? |
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| 11:14.31 | brugidou | use screen |
| 11:15.11 | wrksx | brugidou, gonna look at it, many thanks |
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| 12:06.26 | HackeMate | exists a way to encript every ingoing and outgoing traffic from computer? |
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| 12:06.58 | sekon | HackeMate: ssh |
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| 12:07.10 | sekon | HackeMate: every .. ooops |
| 12:07.13 | sekon | sorry |
| 12:07.17 | HackeMate | yea |
| 12:07.21 | sekon | ipsec |
| 12:07.39 | bolt | HackeMate: any kind of vpn will do that |
| 12:08.44 | bolt | HackeMate: though if you are communicating with an unencrypted service, the messages will be transmitted in unencrypted form at some point. but you can get it out of your current network in encrypted form with a vpn |
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| 12:12.33 | HackeMate | i am in a huge network |
| 12:12.43 | HackeMate | and i wanted to encrypt all my traffic from else computers |
| 12:12.59 | HackeMate | if i set up a vpn server on my computer it will encrypt the outgoing traffic too? |
| 12:13.04 | bolt | use a vpn, or an ssh tunnel, to a point outside of your network |
| 12:13.25 | HackeMate | can i do it from my own computer |
| 12:13.44 | bolt | you need a vpn server, or just an ssh server, outside of that network |
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| 12:14.53 | HackeMate | the ssh server outside will have the same problem |
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| 12:15.23 | bolt | depends where the people you're hiding from are |
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| 12:16.17 | bolt | if you're using unencrypted services, the traffic is going to be unencrypted at some point |
| 12:16.34 | HackeMate | i see |
| 12:16.41 | HackeMate | so the only way is a secure proxy |
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| 12:16.54 | bolt | or start using encrypted services |
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| 12:17.09 | bolt | https, scp and such |
| 12:17.54 | bolt | if you're trying to hide your http browsing, for instance, a vpn to somewhere else should be quite enough |
| 12:18.23 | bolt | but if the server at the other end doesn't support https, you will have to send it stuff over the http protocol from *somewhere* |
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| 12:25.11 | tdn | I am trying to set up a wifi AP with hostap on Debian Squeeze. The box hosting the AP is also NAT firewall for my home network. I would like the wifi network to be merged with my home LAN. To do this I plan to bridge the wlan0 interface to eth0. But when I do this, I lose connection to the box. I guess this is because I need to add the bridge to the NAT rules in the firewall. But really not sure. I hope you can help. |
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| 12:29.36 | kraehe | how to tell a debian cron to execute at UTC and not at localtime? (so times in /etc/crontab must be UTC) |
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| 12:30.25 | kraehe | tried /etc/defaults/cron TZ=UTC and also an export in /etc/init.d/cron |
| 12:30.43 | kraehe | still - cron jobs have a TZ of CET and are executed at CET not at UTC |
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| 12:31.07 | zmitya | hi Gents |
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| 12:32.21 | zmitya | I don't really like my current task, but I have to rebuild the nagios-plugins-standard package and remove the dependency of libmysqlclient16 and put our libmysql there |
| 12:32.34 | zmitya | do you think it is possible ? |
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| 12:33.27 | zmitya | I downloaded the source package, installed the build-deps as well, but in the control file, I could not find there is libmysqlclient16 is defined |
| 12:33.44 | zmitya | I can see only ${shlibs:Depends} and ${misc:Depends} |
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| 12:33.51 | zmitya | can sy please help me in this ? |
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| 12:34.31 | simonrvn | kraehe: set your system TZ as UTC |
| 12:35.22 | kraehe | simonrvn, nope - system time is CET (and should stay CET) just crontab must go UTC because else summer and winter time changes will cause overlapping/missing jobs |
| 12:35.57 | simonrvn | that's supposed to be fixed... |
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| 12:39.00 | kraehe | simonrvn, well - I can not test if overlapping works now - but it did not work last summertime->wintertime change in germany - and ruined a backup |
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| 12:39.50 | simonrvn | else use a cron that isn't broken |
| 12:39.53 | kraehe | or do you mean that bad fix debian made, to default cron to localtime (sane unix would default cron to UTC as did debian ages ago) |
| 12:40.10 | simonrvn | or move your backup time :P |
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| 12:40.25 | simonrvn | i know. i remember those days. |
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| 12:41.33 | kraehe | an other modern debian problem: is it possible to tell debian NEVER to use uuid's in fstab or initrd or similar places - this stupidy ruins every backup/restore |
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| 12:41.52 | kraehe | i think that this uuid disk mounts came from ustupidu |
| 12:42.31 | simonrvn | well that i find useful, personally. read up on uuid. grub2 has a facility to disable it in grub.cfg |
| 12:44.00 | kraehe | well - i'm booting using syslinux/pxelinux - no grub - and the question is mainly about initrd |
| 12:45.04 | simonrvn | dunno, probably, though i suspect you'd have to 'fix' fstab first |
| 12:45.42 | simonrvn | it probably scans fstab and builds it based on that |
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| 12:46.33 | kraehe | *hm* lets checks this ;-) |
| 12:46.41 | simonrvn | i haven't dug into it deeply enough to say for sure |
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| 12:47.34 | piezo | zo |
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| 12:54.16 | markit | trying amd64 net install rc1, choose ext3 for /boot, btrfs for the /, but it does not install the related modules, so at reboot fails. Now I have to use systrescuecd and do it manually |
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| 12:54.24 | markit | if any developer is lissening... :) |
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| 13:06.28 | markit | or is there a dev channel? |
| 13:06.59 | sekon | markit: file bug report ?? |
| 13:07.09 | sekon | d-i installation reports to be exact |
| 13:07.19 | markit | usually is very complicated, and I'm not familiar with debian bug tracker |
| 13:07.42 | sekon | open a bug again debian installer .. |
| 13:07.55 | markit | probably I have to create an account also... I will try if no other way possible |
| 13:08.09 | sekon | markit: try debian-boot |
| 13:10.00 | petemc | there are already bugs reported for that (or a very similar) problem |
| 13:10.19 | petemc | !dbugs 603578 |
| 13:10.23 | dpkg | #603578:I[initramfs-tools] installation-reports: Fails to boot after successful install on a btrfs root (d-i); Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:18:01 UTC [602254 608538] |
| 13:11.29 | markit | petemc: yes, just found right now, thanks! |
| 13:12.12 | markit | (btw, I misread "boot" instead of "root", so fought was a different one, lol) |
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| 13:19.51 | markit | argh, the method I used last time on 32 bit disto does not work now :( |
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| 13:33.51 | damasceno | Someone can explain to me, how can i block the access using the icmp protocol, from one machine in my network, to another machine in my network? All machines are in my network, 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 13:34.17 | Shadur | damasceno: use iptables. |
| 13:34.58 | Shadur | But there aren't many valid reasons to block icmp traffic, and given your question I kind of doubt you know any of them. |
| 13:35.17 | damasceno | Shadur, , i now... |
| 13:35.36 | damasceno | i'm using this: iptables -I INPUT -d 192.168.1.10 -j DROP |
| 13:35.56 | damasceno | But, any machine will come to 192.168.1.10 and will get the DROP action. |
| 13:36.28 | damasceno | Ok, but in machine 192.168.1.10 i can't ping to nothing. |
| 13:36.46 | damasceno | 192.168.1.0/24 can't ping to 192.168.1.10, but 192.168.1.10 can ping to all. |
| 13:36.51 | lapsusbrutus | themill: (11:55) Thanks for advice :D Looks like it works great now! Saved my day :D |
| 13:36.51 | damasceno | That's what i want. |
| 13:36.59 | Shadur | damasceno: Well, yes. In fact, that machine likely can't do anything else on the internet either as you're dropping absolutely everything. |
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| 13:37.18 | damasceno | Shadur, yes. |
| 13:37.38 | Shadur | damasceno: That's entirely possible, yes. But first you're going to have to read the iptables documentation a /lot/ more thoroughly. |
| 13:37.49 | zmitya | damasceno: you need to drop only the echo-request packets (type 8) |
| 13:38.04 | damasceno | zmitya, hum, let me see... |
| 13:38.25 | damasceno | Shadur, i used to make my firewalls with iptables... |
| 13:38.30 | nicolas2p | Hi. What is the current 'best' way to build a .deb package from a vanilla kernel ? make-kpkg (from kernel-package) or make deb-pkg (from vanilla kernel) ? Why is one of them the 'best' way ? |
| 13:38.43 | damasceno | But, i did know pfSense, and now i need work with iptables again... |
| 13:38.49 | damasceno | so i'm reading, and reading again. :/ |
| 13:39.01 | damasceno | zmitya, can you give me some example? |
| 13:39.13 | Shadur | damasceno: You might want to check on source rather than destination. |
| 13:40.10 | zmitya | maybe: iptables -A INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type 8 -s 192.168.1.0/24 -j DROP |
| 13:40.10 | Bop | damasceno, u cant ping cause u'r denying the entry packets |
| 13:40.28 | Shadur | You want to block a specific type of ICMP packet from a very clearly defined set of source addresses. |
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| 13:41.42 | damasceno | zmitya, this worked for me. |
| 13:41.48 | damasceno | Thank you! |
| 13:41.52 | zmitya | damasceno: sure, np |
| 13:41.56 | damasceno | thanks Shadur and Bop |
| 13:42.12 | damasceno | I will study more, thanks, and bye. |
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| 13:43.09 | zmitya | nicolas2p: as I know make-kpkg is the debian way |
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| 13:43.40 | zmitya | nicolas2p: not sure about the pros/cons |
| 13:44.02 | Agiofws | whats the package name for thunderbird in debian ? |
| 13:44.09 | Agiofws | squeeze ? |
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| 13:45.18 | jelly | Agiofws: /msg dpkg thunderbird |
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| 13:45.42 | zmitya | Agiofws: icedove |
| 13:45.45 | damasceno | zmitya, how can i see all numbers of icmp_type? In man page i can see only the words, like: echo-reply (pong) |
| 13:45.45 | damasceno | destination-unreachable |
| 13:45.45 | damasceno | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:46.27 | zmitya | damasceno: http://www.iana.org/assignments/icmp-parameters |
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| 13:48.32 | damasceno | zmitya, thanks again. |
| 13:50.00 | nicolas2p | zmitya: thanks. http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-kernel-org-package suggest to use make deb-pkg, but most other (but probably older) documentation and FAQ from Debian suggest to use make-kpkg. |
| 13:50.13 | geekosopher | what was that command to ask dpkg about guessing the release date of squeeze? |
| 13:50.26 | dkr | !wir |
| 13:50.26 | dpkg | well, wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
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| 13:51.34 | geekosopher | dkr: no the one where it asked to place the bet for guessing the release date |
| 13:51.36 | babilen | geekosopher: /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 13:51.57 | geekosopher | oh yes babilen, thanks :) |
| 13:51.58 | babilen | geekosopher: You might also be interested in "squeeze pool" -- dunno what you are after |
| 13:52.23 | geekosopher | babilen: yes it was squeeze pool |
| 13:54.04 | damasceno | zmitya, can you explain something about iptables rule? I know that i ask something to you, 3 times, just now... :/ |
| 13:54.06 | r00t4rd3d | Anyone good with time formats ? Right now %Y.%m.%d - %H:%M = 2011.01.20 - 23:48 , Would would %H have to be changed to for 12 hour time ? |
| 13:54.27 | r00t4rd3d | what would* |
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| 13:54.48 | damasceno | r00t4rd3d, you can use date -s "yearmonthdayhour:minute" |
| 13:54.53 | damasceno | I guess, let me see... |
| 13:55.07 | dkr | r00t4rd3d: %I took me 3 seconds of looking at man page... |
| 13:55.25 | kannan122 | is it safe to delete qmail queues? |
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| 13:57.19 | damasceno | r00t4rd3d, in my case, i'm from Brazil, so: |
| 13:57.24 | damasceno | date -s "11/20/2011 12:48:00" |
| 13:57.45 | damasceno | 11 = day, 20 = month, 2011 = year, and after the hour. |
| 13:57.49 | damasceno | Understood? |
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| 13:58.06 | r00t4rd3d | damasceno, i think you missed what i was asking :/ |
| 13:58.25 | leejongwook | Where do I report bug to ? |
| 13:58.46 | damasceno | r00t4rd3d, oh, sorry, i'm looking now. |
| 13:58.57 | damasceno | your clock have 24 hours, right? |
| 13:59.17 | damasceno | And you want to change to 12 hours. Ex: 11 AM, and 11 PM. |
| 13:59.18 | llutz | r00t4rd3d: man date -> hour (01..12) thats what you're looking for? |
| 13:59.36 | llutz | r00t4rd3d: man date -> % l hour (01..12) thats what you're looking for? |
| 13:59.39 | leejongwook | Debian Lenny works pretty fine but it has a little problem while I install on new PC with newer hardware. Just wanted to take some shots and show it to people. |
| 13:59.52 | leejongwook | s/while/when |
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| 14:06.36 | HackeMate | someone know whhow to create a cluster? openmosix is closed project from 2008 |
| 14:06.41 | HackeMate | but it looks promising |
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| 14:13.30 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 14:20.14 | xiangfu | Hi. How can I change the text-mode dim time? |
| 14:20.32 | xiangfu | I want keep the screen always on when in text-mode. |
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| 14:23.02 | stew | xiangfu: /msg dpkg screen blanking |
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| 14:25.39 | Paul_E | I'm attempting to find where in the configuration exim defines the interfaces it will listen on. I've found a check for MAIN_LOCAL_INTERFACES, but I can't find where that variable is set--also, it appears that dpkg-reconfigure isn't available for lenny? |
| 14:26.46 | petemc | Paul_E: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config works in lenny |
| 14:26.58 | petemc | Paul_E: you can also set that in update-exim4.conf.conf i believe |
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| 14:27.33 | Paul_E | petemc: Oh, weird. If I just run dpkg-reconfigure it doesn't work |
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| 14:27.42 | petemc | if you do what? |
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| 14:28.07 | Paul_E | petemc: Sorry, should have been clearer. I tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure without any arguments at first and it told me command not found |
| 14:28.16 | Paul_E | but then when I add exim4-config it works. |
| 14:28.20 | Paul_E | I assumed it wasn't installed |
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| 14:31.24 | xiangfu | stew: thanks. |
| 14:31.58 | Paul_E | Oh, I guess what I want then is to configure the interface used to *send* mail, which doesn't appear to be identified in exim4-config |
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| 14:35.38 | Paul_E | looks like from http://www.exim.org/exim-html-current/doc/html/spec_html/ch30.html the option is "interface <ip>" |
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| 14:36.44 | Paul_E | if I directly edit the split file configuration in /etc/exim4/conf.d will my changes be lost next time I run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config? |
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| 14:41.45 | ChrisW | hey guys, where does the Debian distro of MySQL keep its data by default? |
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| 14:42.09 | ChrisW | thanks! |
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| 14:58.30 | courpse | Where can i get the md5checksums for the iso's on site? |
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| 15:04.32 | abrotman | courpse: they are in the same directory? |
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| 15:04.46 | courpse | abrotman: of what? |
| 15:04.52 | abrotman | as the ISO ? |
| 15:04.56 | abrotman | thought |
| 15:04.59 | abrotman | which ISO are you talking about? |
| 15:05.36 | courpse | awww, i was trying looking ni the torrent section. couldnt find it, see it now. |
| 15:05.37 | courpse | Sorry, :/ |
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| 15:09.09 | dvs | courpse: did you download the ISO by torrent? |
| 15:09.17 | courpse | Yessir. |
| 15:09.46 | dvs | courpse: Then the ISO image is already checked for integrity. |
| 15:09.59 | courpse | kk. |
| 15:10.04 | courpse | Good point, lol. |
| 15:10.59 | abrotman | corrupts the torrent file |
| 15:11.07 | dvs | doh |
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| 15:15.24 | bolt | if the torrent file is wrong, it's gonna redownload it over and over until it gets the right wrong checksum, i guess... |
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| 15:16.26 | vtts | or it will blacklists all the peers for providing "bad" chunks |
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| 15:22.32 | topgun21 | Is squeeze a stable release |
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| 15:22.42 | dvs | topgun21: /topic |
| 15:23.27 | AnthLee | topgun21, not officially |
| 15:23.39 | DanDare | Hello. If I create a new user he's able to cd to /etc and view files content. This can be a security hole ? |
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| 15:24.28 | dvs | DanDare: Not if you protect the sensitive files |
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| 15:24.44 | Roasted | sounds like a permissions thing |
| 15:25.25 | DanDare | dvs: Im not sure what should I protect or not. Can I change user's group so he's able to just view files onto his own /home/user directory ? |
| 15:25.35 | DanDare | Or should I change /etc permissions for this ? |
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| 15:26.23 | dvs | DanDare: Oh, you want a jail. I forget the exact name. |
| 15:26.25 | vtts | DanDare, there are some legitimate cases when user (programs, libs) need to access some files in /etc |
| 15:26.37 | helo | kind of an odd question... is there some way to record all files that are accessed during a given boot? |
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| 15:27.27 | helo | i want to see how much i can pare this filesystem down... |
| 15:27.33 | DanDare | vtts, maybe keeping the default user permissions is just ok ? |
| 15:27.54 | vtts | helo, security extentions could do that (e.g. grsec in a learning mode) |
| 15:28.23 | helo | good idea |
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| 15:29.24 | helo | that is a nice feature of grsec... |
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| 15:31.21 | DanDare | Well, by default a given user can eve access other user's /home directory and view files.... looks no good |
| 15:32.19 | DanDare | ok, I need more basic Linux studies |
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| 15:33.17 | AnthLee | DanDare, encrypt the home folders |
| 15:34.02 | AnthLee | DanDare, this will require a password in order to decrypt and view its contents Google is full of guides for different distributions and encryption schemes |
| 15:34.31 | DanDare | AnthLee, I will need to find another solution because I have also Samba sharings with specif users permissions that I should hide from others also... encrypting everything else sounds slow at first .... |
| 15:35.07 | DanDare | thanks anyway |
| 15:35.43 | DanDare | I definetley need go to read docs right now |
| 15:35.54 | AnthLee | DanDare, thats a good idea :) |
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| 15:42.23 | boudiccas | how do i change the desktop setting at the init 3 prompt please? its set uo to run kdm but kde is malconfigured so i need to run gdm |
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| 15:43.20 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 15:43.33 | boudiccas | ty |
| 15:44.19 | dzz | Hello, guys. I try to configure wifi-card (dwa-510 ralink, chip - rt2561/rt61 rev. B). Installed firmware-ralink, configured wifi as Ad-Hoc. The connection is ok, but when I try to ping, i response that "Host is unreachable". What I'm doing wrong? |
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| 15:46.29 | dvs | dzz: What does "netstat -r" say? |
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| 15:50.05 | dvs | dzz: /msg bots NOT people |
| 15:50.17 | dzz | ok |
| 15:50.21 | dzz | dvs http://itpaste.ru/580118 |
| 15:50.24 | simonrvn | boudiccas: debian doesn't use runlevels other than 0,S,1,2,6 |
| 15:51.09 | dvs | dzz: The default route is going through your ppp connection |
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| 15:55.06 | dzz | dvs What should I do to route between 192.168.1.1 (dwa-510 card) and 192.168.1.2 (other comp)? |
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| 15:55.50 | dvs | three default routes? |
| 15:56.24 | dzz | mm... |
| 15:56.44 | dzz | i don't understand a question... |
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| 15:58.13 | thewanderer1 | hey, my Iceweasel is behaving strangely. I visit http://rkaw.pl/canvas/WWW/Diagram/wtf.html (my test page) and it's supposed to show an alert window. can anyone please test under Iceweasel? |
| 15:58.17 | bolt | uses runlevel 3 |
| 15:58.22 | dvs | Network connections usually have one default route (or so I think). |
| 15:58.46 | daemonkeeper | At most one. |
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| 16:00.58 | dvs | dzz: This sounds like a job for iptables (which I'm not that fluent with) |
| 16:01.26 | dzz | [18:50] <dvs> dzz: The default route is going through your ppp connection |
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| 16:01.54 | dzz | route from 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.2 going through my ppp conn.? |
| 16:01.56 | daemonkeeper | People having more than one default route, usually didn't understand how routing works. |
| 16:02.26 | daemonkeeper | There is absolutely no reason to have more than one (not that it would work at all) |
| 16:02.36 | dvs | default * 0.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 ppp0 |
| 16:02.50 | daemonkeeper | Well there is, but I think this is out of scope here. |
| 16:02.55 | dzz | dvs I wan't to direct connection between local wi-fi |
| 16:03.08 | dzz | ppp0 - it is my provider's www |
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| 16:03.16 | dvs | dzz: And that's what iptables can do |
| 16:04.35 | dvs | unless you don't want to route through your ppp connectiion anymore. |
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| 16:05.50 | izzyb | dzz what are you trying to do? you have a ppp connection to your isp and a wifi connection to local machines? |
| 16:05.58 | dzz | izzyb yes |
| 16:06.02 | dzz | I do |
| 16:06.08 | ragnar76 | hey all. a tool needs mkisofs which, i've found out at google, is not longer in debian squeeze. so i tried to compile the cdrtools and failed. anyone can give me a clue how to get mkisofs again? |
| 16:06.26 | dzz | i trying to configured direct wifi conn between 2 local machines |
| 16:07.09 | izzyb | no wifi router then? |
| 16:07.13 | dzz | no |
| 16:07.20 | xk | ragnar76: the tool doesnt exist, or mkisofs doesnt exist? |
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| 16:07.36 | ragnar76 | xk: mkisofs |
| 16:07.44 | ragnar76 | xk: the tool requires |
| 16:07.46 | xk | hmm |
| 16:07.49 | llutz | its "genisoimage" now |
| 16:07.54 | izzyb | dzz: what does your route table say |
| 16:08.02 | xk | mkisofs does exist |
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| 16:08.16 | dzz | izzyb http://itpaste.ru/580118 |
| 16:08.20 | izzyb | dzz: are you trying to share internet also? |
| 16:08.38 | dzz | izzyb no, i don't |
| 16:08.50 | llutz | xk: mkisofs was part of the cdrtools-package which was replaced by wodim |
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| 16:09.54 | dzz | izzyb i just try to connect these two computers |
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| 16:10.45 | ragnar76 | so what can i do to get mkisofs? |
| 16:10.51 | dzz | izzyb wi-fi connection is established, but ping recieve that "host 192.168.1.1 (or 192.168.1.2) is unreachable" |
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| 16:11.20 | ragnar76 | i guess a symlink fron genisoimage to mkisofs would not work :/ |
| 16:11.38 | xk | download and install the lenny package? |
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| 16:12.21 | xk | "It provides a mkisofs symlink to genisoimage for compatibility purposes." |
| 16:12.30 | xk | ragnar76: that answers your question :) |
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| 16:12.50 | rawtaz | can anyone tell me what (viable) options there are for having seperate /tmp, /home, /var etc inside openvz containers? it seems its not really recommended to run LVM inside LVM, so the option i can think of is to make a LVM LV for each container's volume out in the HN, instead of managing them in each container |
| 16:12.54 | xk | although that applied to lenny. |
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| 16:14.04 | izzyb | dzz: why so many routers? if I read this correctly, you have ppp0 which is your internet and the default gateway, and eth0 which appears to be a local network but with a bunch of static routes, and eth1 which appears to be a different local network, then your wifi connection. could you paste your route table with the -n option |
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| 16:14.41 | ragnar76 | works, thx guys |
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| 16:16.08 | dzz | izzyb i have: |
| 16:16.28 | dzz | 1) eth0 - provider's local |
| 16:16.42 | dzz | 2) eth1 - my local network |
| 16:16.53 | nvzn | whats the best partitioning tool for gpt and ext4? |
| 16:17.01 | dzz | 3) ppp0 - provider's www througth eth0 |
| 16:17.05 | dzz | 4) wlan0 |
| 16:17.31 | dzz | izzyb all routes i have from provider's dhcp |
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| 16:20.19 | Pendrag0n | hmmm when my boss su's to root, it needs to be all normal for him, but how do I make it so that when I su to root, that it sources my bashrc file? |
| 16:20.42 | Pendrag0n | is there a way in the root .bashrc I can say if user was Pendragon, then use his bashrc? |
| 16:20.48 | izzyb | dzz, bbiab -- phone |
| 16:20.53 | frikinz | Hi have an embedded system that will have only one eth port to interface with. I have a small webserver to reconfigure the IP adress. In case something goes wrong, do you think I will with something like a sniffer be able to find out the ip adress? There will be no default route probably. |
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| 16:21.36 | dzz | izzyb http://itpaste.ru/580557 |
| 16:21.39 | frikinz | Or should I install something like bonjour or whatever |
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| 16:22.55 | izzyb | dzz: route -n is what I was looking for - but doesn't matter I think I understand. didn't realize your ppp was actually over eth0 |
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| 16:23.24 | Pendrag0n | anyone? |
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| 16:24.09 | dzz | izzyb if i correct understand your question - my ppp is realized over eth0 |
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| 16:27.01 | petemc | Pendrag0n: possibly you could do that via pam, poke around /etc/pam.d/su etc |
| 16:27.25 | Pendrag0n | hmm okay thanks petemc, I seem to remember debian channel being allot more helpful though |
| 16:27.25 | izzyb | dzz, k, so do you have tcpdump installed? |
| 16:27.39 | izzyb | dzz: apt-get install tcpdump if not |
| 16:28.12 | dzz | izzyb it's done |
| 16:28.13 | izzyb | then you should be able to ping to your other computer via wifi and it should go out wlan0 |
| 16:28.55 | izzyb | so run tcpdump -ni wlan0 and in another terminal ping to the other system |
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| 16:29.14 | petemc | Pendrag0n: why do you think i care that you used to find this channel more helpful? |
| 16:29.21 | Makuew | When installing debian on a usb discs, it ask to use old syslinux or new? |
| 16:29.24 | Makuew | Should i pick old? |
| 16:29.41 | xk | lol @ petemc |
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| 16:30.39 | izzyb | dzz you should see the echo requests going out and ideally coming back, but first make sure they go out |
| 16:31.06 | dzz | izzyb http://itpaste.ru/580653 |
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| 16:31.21 | Pendrag0n | Slaps petemc with a trout |
| 16:31.29 | petemc | :) |
| 16:31.33 | dkr | Pendrag0n: conditionally source your .bashrc based on environment variables such as USER or SSH_CONNECTION |
| 16:31.40 | dzz | izzyb http://itpaste.ru/580660 |
| 16:31.57 | Pendrag0n | dkr: thanks |
| 16:31.59 | izzyb | dzz, k, so those are the arp requests, install tcpdump on the other computer also and do the same |
| 16:32.46 | izzyb | dzz, you have to run tcpdump and ping at the same time, so you'll need to terminals open or run screen |
| 16:32.59 | karlpinc | izzyb: (or job control) |
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| 16:33.10 | dzz | izzyb this is a small problem... other computer doesn't have an internet connection... |
| 16:33.44 | izzyb | are you local to these computers? |
| 16:33.55 | dkr | Pendrag0n: in root's .bashrc e.g. echo $SSH_CONNECTION | grep -q pendragon'sip && source /home/pendragon/.bashrc |
| 16:34.32 | izzyb | karlpinc: wouldn't backgrounding these processes still cause their output on the console? |
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| 16:35.19 | hid3 | Anyone ever generated/printed Debian CD cover(s) with this script? http://debian.semistable.com/cdcover.pl Why are the covers actually smaller (too small) than they should be? |
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| 16:35.58 | dzz | izzyb yes |
| 16:36.16 | izzyb | dzz: given the output of the tcpdump you pasted, it looks like the computer with the ppp connection is attempting to connect to the other computer via the correct port, but the other computer isn't seeing it or isn't responding. need to see what the other computer sees on the network |
| 16:36.52 | dzz | izzyb i understand you, one moment... |
| 16:37.13 | rgr | Im in the middle of a manual partitioning during a squeeze rc1 install - I have a free 6.6 g partition spare but I cant see any option to make that the swap. Hitting enter on it just shows the sylinders and sector information. where in the install can I set this as the swap? |
| 16:37.19 | karlpinc | izzyb: sure. I don't generally find that to be a problem. YMMV. There's also other options like piping the result to less, etc. |
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| 16:38.19 | izzyb | karlpinc: yeah, there's usually more then one way to skin a cat in *nux - one of the reasons I like it soo much :) |
| 16:38.57 | DotHack | i have some linux kernel sources from the xenserver sources cd but it doesnt come with a deb... just some source archives (tar) and dsc file... is there anyway for debian to recognize that the apckage linux-sources has been installed so that i can use make-kpg to install a modified kernel? |
| 16:39.06 | izzyb | prefers to use screen himself |
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| 16:40.22 | petemc | DotHack: have you tried to just running make-kpkg ? i dont remember it being fussy about where the source came from |
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| 16:41.11 | DotHack | petemc: yeah but kernel-package depends on linux-source |
| 16:41.20 | petemc | depends or recommends? |
| 16:41.42 | DotHack | petemc: sorry suggestss.... |
| 16:41.45 | petemc | neither, suggest |
| 16:42.00 | DotHack | wasns looking good argh |
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| 16:44.02 | roe | can anyone suggest a good nullclient that supports starttls and implements a queue? |
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| 16:44.24 | izzyb | dzz: I suspect your wifi connection between the machines isn't propperly established, but sadly I'm not very good with wifi so can't help you with that part. but I don't think this is a routing problem that appears to be functioning as expected |
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| 16:48.19 | jelly | roe: it's not really a "null" client if it has a queue, innit? Might as well set up postfix w/ smarthost. |
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| 16:48.56 | dvs | dzz: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt2500 |
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| 16:50.05 | dvs | dzz: Oops. Wrong one. http://wiki.debian.org/rt61pci |
| 16:52.23 | roe | jelly, nullmailer's 'queue' is a very bare implementation of a queue |
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| 16:53.19 | izzyb | dzz: don't worry about trying to paste the results from the other computer if that's what you're trying to do. that wont be pleasant without a network connection on the other machine. just check if you're getting the echo requests when you run ping on the first machine |
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| 16:53.59 | izzyb | of course, I already know the answer. given the arp requests, without replies, your first machine doesn't know how to find the second one so your link isn't up |
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| 16:55.24 | frikinz | Hi have an embedded system that will have only one eth port to interface with. I have a small webserver to reconfigure the IP adress. In case something goes wrong, do you think I will with something like a sniffer be able to find out the ip adress? There will be no default route probably. I'm currently thinking about using a virtual interface that one can not change but curious about a standard way |
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| 16:58.11 | izzyb | frikinz: you configuring the interface with dhcp? is this on a local network or internet? |
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| 16:58.36 | karlpinc | frikinz: You'll only be able to sniff the IP address if the box is doing some talking, for some reason. And if the interface is not configured you won't _have_ an ip. The "standard way" is to have a physical reset button that resets to a known state. |
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| 16:59.31 | frikinz | izzyb: no, only fixed is allowed, there will be no dhcp there |
| 16:59.46 | frikinz | karlpinc: yes but no button :) |
| 16:59.54 | izzyb | so why would it ever change? |
| 17:00.04 | frikinz | karlpinc: I agree, it's an error in my design.. |
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| 17:00.41 | rawtaz | (the reason i am not aiming for templates is that some guy that seems to know a little about openvz said "the templates are pretty much useless in packages, you're better off using debootstrap, and for other distros, downloading manually" |
| 17:00.44 | frikinz | izzyb: I allow the user to connect to the embedded webserver and have a perl script that edits /e/netw/interfcaes. But one month later if he forgets... |
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| 17:00.55 | rawtaz | ah wrong window |
| 17:01.43 | izzyb | frikinz: is this on the internet? |
| 17:01.59 | frikinz | karlpinc: I think I'll use a eth0:0 and not allow to change this one. |
| 17:02.05 | frikinz | izzyb: no |
| 17:02.21 | izzyb | frikinz: could you use dhcp? |
| 17:02.45 | karlpinc | frikinz: I thought of that, but what if the user already has that address on their network? You should probably take this to #debian-offtopic because it does not seem much like debian support. |
| 17:03.16 | frikinz | izzyb: no, it goes in the lan of someone else and they don't want dhcp |
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| 17:04.05 | frikinz | karlpinc: exactly. I thought the same. But I'll play with probabilty. Use a 10.random.random.random. Ok enough for the offtopic; I'll do this. THanks |
| 17:04.35 | frikinz | but it's a lenny :) and will actually be connected to a spacecraft :) |
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| 17:05.21 | BLZbubba | is anyone here familiar with alsa-driver & alsa-source? especially with how to make it work with HDMI audio? |
| 17:05.40 | karlpinc | !tell BLZbubba about anyone |
| 17:05.45 | stuckey | i have sound through my speakers, but I have no volume control and it sounds like garbage, though it is intelligable. Can anyone help? |
| 17:05.55 | BLZbubba | i am getting hosed by make-kpkg |
| 17:05.56 | izzyb | frikinz: cool! seems like an odd problem to have - easy answer is to document the address configured so they don't forget :) |
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| 17:06.22 | karlpinc | stuckey: You could try the checklist. |
| 17:06.28 | karlpinc | !alsa checklist |
| 17:06.28 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 17:07.28 | karlpinc | stuckey: If you're running stable it's also possible (I know nothing about sound) that a newer kernel from backports.debian.org would help. |
| 17:07.56 | stuckey | karlpinc: how do I 1)? |
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| 17:09.01 | karlpinc | stuckey: id -G, man usermod, or I always use vigr. |
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| 17:09.14 | stuckey | ? |
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| 17:11.11 | stuckey | can someone tell me how to do what karlpinc was saying I should do? |
| 17:11.26 | stuckey | I don't know what one means, and I can't raise levels in alsamixer. |
| 17:11.40 | tharkun | stuckey: FGI |
| 17:11.49 | izzyb | dzz: I have to run here soon, so hope I was at least able to put you on the right track. I think once you sort out the wifi connection issue everything should start working as expected. no need for special routing - the network route for 192.168.1.0/24 should be all you need. |
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| 17:12.57 | stuckey | tharkun: YOu mean TGI? |
| 17:13.35 | izzyb | stuckey: www.backports.org |
| 17:13.57 | Makuew | I am trying to install debian from an usb, but it says no cd room detected and select the path where it is, but what is the /dev path to the usb? i tried /dev/sde as i think its that one but no go :( and i dont see any other sd* |
| 17:14.13 | tharkun | roe: take a look to esmtp i've heard wonders of it |
| 17:14.22 | Ricardo__ | fstab bug in squeeze with partitions ntfs? |
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| 17:14.33 | roe | tharkun, will do |
| 17:14.47 | Ricardo__ | i dont have mount automatic |
| 17:14.56 | BLZbubba | i am trying to build alsa-source on sid, but I'm getting this error: http://pastebin.com/kxHnqwpy - probably a n00b error but can someone point me in the right direction? |
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| 17:15.14 | roe | tharkun, bad news: "THIS PROJECT IS NO LONGER BEING MAINTAINED. IF IT DOESN'T WORK FOR YOU SEE THESE LINKS." |
| 17:15.19 | stuckey | Hi, I'd like to be able to listen to things on stable, like movies or youtube stuf, or audio files. This doesn't work by default, so can someone tell me what's necessary to enable this? |
| 17:15.36 | tharkun | roe: wait a sec i'll fetch you some other nullclients |
| 17:15.47 | roe | I am playing with ssmtp at the moment |
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| 17:15.55 | roe | and looking into msmtp |
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| 17:16.16 | tharkun | roe: ok, it seems you only have nullmailer missing ;P |
| 17:16.31 | roe | nullmailer doesn't support TLS |
| 17:16.39 | roe | so can't usei t |
| 17:16.43 | cahoot | stuckey: run speaker-test -t wac -c2 in a terminal |
| 17:16.54 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.57 | Ricardo__ | how install pulseaudio in squeeze? |
| 17:17.06 | roe | but it *was* my goto nullclient until I needed to add authentication |
| 17:17.17 | stuckey | cahoot: awful loud garbage sound. I'm worried this is going to break the speakers. |
| 17:17.31 | cahoot | ctrl-c to stop it |
| 17:17.34 | tharkun | roe: some scripting using openssl wouldn't work for you? |
| 17:17.37 | stuckey | already did |
| 17:17.45 | cahoot | ok so you have sound |
| 17:18.09 | stuckey | yes I have sound. Now I need a) a way to control the volume, and b) a way to make the sound intelligable. |
| 17:18.11 | roe | tharkun, hacking it to get it to issue a STARTTLS I think is beyond my "love" for it |
| 17:18.19 | tharkun | lol |
| 17:18.39 | izzyb | lol |
| 17:18.51 | tharkun | roe: well i would add my nullmailer ip to $mynetworks and let the mta handle authentication and everything else |
| 17:18.53 | cahoot | stuckey: speaker-test -t wav -c2 in a terminal - no soothing voice for you? |
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| 17:19.27 | stuckey | cahoot: no, it doesn't sound right. |
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| 17:19.33 | stuckey | cahoot: and I can't control the volume! |
| 17:19.33 | Makuew | Seriously, can anybody help me? |
| 17:19.43 | stuckey | cahoot: it just sounds like garbage. |
| 17:20.06 | roe | tharkun, that would work if the IP was static |
| 17:20.09 | cahoot | stuckey: try alsa force-reload then speaker-test again |
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| 17:20.43 | tharkun | roe: ssh tunnel and deliver to it? |
| 17:20.47 | roe | oy |
| 17:20.59 | roe | a bit convoluted |
| 17:21.06 | roe | ssmtp seems to work fine |
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| 17:21.28 | tharkun | remember to user port 587 to avoid trouble |
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| 17:21.48 | roe | my only concern is that if for some reason if the network/internet connection is off-line I lose email |
| 17:21.51 | roe | tharkun, of course |
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| 17:22.19 | roe | nullmailer handles that much better |
| 17:22.34 | stuckey | cahoot: what about vol. control? |
| 17:22.36 | roe | maybe I should try to motivate the dev of nullmailer to get off their asses |
| 17:22.51 | cahoot | stuckey: what about speaker-test ? |
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| 17:23.05 | tharkun | hands roe some piano wire and a stapler to "help" him motivate people |
| 17:23.10 | stuckey | cahoot: still sounds bad man. |
| 17:23.16 | roe | hehe, thanks |
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| 17:23.21 | stuckey | cahoot: what about speaker-test? |
| 17:23.27 | Paul_E | intercepts and quickly tunes piano wire. |
| 17:23.40 | cahoot | stuckey: you don't happen to have any ~/.asoundrc* messing things up? |
| 17:23.48 | stuckey | cahoot: new install |
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| 17:24.50 | cahoot | still... |
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| 17:26.01 | stuckey | cahoot: checking |
| 17:26.04 | go^ | qualcuno ha avuto problemi col tasto destro del Touchpad con Linux? |
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| 17:26.10 | go^ | ops |
| 17:26.11 | stuckey | cahoot: nothing there |
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| 17:26.28 | Makuew | How can i find out the name of my usb in shell during debian installation? |
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| 17:26.43 | Makuew | already tried dmesg |
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| 17:27.02 | Paul_E | !dpkg italian |
| 17:27.02 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:27.23 | go^ | Paul_E, sorry :P |
| 17:27.48 | cahoot | stuckey: what kind of sounddevice is this? |
| 17:27.51 | izzyb | Makuew: I'm thinking if the boot didn't find it automatically, it wasn't loaded correctly, so you wont find it. sadly, I don't know what the answer is - I've been there myself and never figured it out :( |
| 17:28.01 | stuckey | cahoot: do I use lspci to find that out? |
| 17:28.09 | cahoot | lspci -nn |
| 17:28.23 | cahoot | ...unless it's some kind of usb thing |
| 17:28.33 | stuckey | cahoot: 00:10.1 Audio device [0403]: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio [10de:026c] (rev a2) |
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| 17:28.59 | Makuew | izzy: The debian installer wouldent have launched if it dident find it, as the debian installer is on the usb |
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| 17:29.16 | stuckey | cahoot: It may be that the "garbage" sound is just the way this device sounds. |
| 17:29.17 | ladanz | Hi Guys, on a "Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N450" should i install 32 or 64 bit os? |
| 17:29.25 | Makuew | Im in the middle of the installation and it says no cd rom attached, so i need to specify the /dev part to it |
| 17:29.58 | Makuew | but im using usb, so i need to find the usb path |
| 17:30.00 | cahoot | stuckey: not unless it's broken, seems it should be supported in recent alsa |
| 17:30.05 | izzyb | Makuew: well, syslinux booted and was able to load the initrd, but the initrd image wasn't able to find it's root filesystem |
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| 17:30.39 | Makuew | and the syslinux is on the usb |
| 17:31.01 | Makuew | its all on the usb, as all hd`s are clean |
| 17:31.41 | Makuew | It even says on the bios bootup usb mass storage blabla loaded |
| 17:31.48 | stuckey | cahoot: why can't I control the volume levels? |
| 17:32.02 | izzyb | yeah, but the bios loads syslinux, and it loads the initrd image and passes control to it. at that point it doesn't know anything about how it got started |
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| 17:32.30 | Makuew | I see |
| 17:32.33 | cahoot | stuckey: volume level seems like a nonissue if the sound is just white noise |
| 17:32.37 | Makuew | So how can i proceed? |
| 17:32.39 | izzyb | I suspect it's a missing driver in your initrd image |
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| 17:33.10 | stuckey | cahoot: it isn't just white noise, sorry. When I said garbage I mean it's barely intelligable. It sounds highly distored. |
| 17:33.20 | cahoot | d'oh |
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| 17:34.12 | cahoot | see what /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 does |
| 17:34.19 | izzyb | Makuew: I'd try a different boot disk and see if it make it past this point. I'd try wottos or system rescuecd. If they boot, you should be able to determine what driver your usb device is using and see about adding it into the debian one |
| 17:34.52 | Makuew | izzyb: but then i have to put it on the usb, as i have no cd room.. |
| 17:34.56 | Makuew | but i guess thats what i will have to do |
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| 17:35.38 | izzyb | yeah, sadly when the automagical detection fails, there isn't really an easy answer except to try someone elses automagic and hope for better results. |
| 17:36.29 | izzyb | Makuew: the boot script in the initrd image usually uses does a prob of all known devices looking for it's root fs. if it doesn't find it, its probably because of a missing driver :( |
| 17:36.39 | Makuew | ok |
| 17:36.47 | Makuew | i managed to mount dev/sde1 on /mnt |
| 17:36.51 | Makuew | and it has all the usb files in it |
| 17:37.03 | Makuew | so i guess thats the correct path, but when entering it in the installation it doesent find anything |
| 17:37.04 | Makuew | :/ |
| 17:37.19 | Makuew | it cant be a driver problem then? |
| 17:37.28 | stuckey | cahoot: that did something. sounds is intelligable now, but still no alsamixer control. |
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| 17:37.55 | izzyb | Makuew: hmm, perhaps something is wrong with the image then. try recreating your usb disk |
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| 17:38.50 | Makuew | izzyb: I used universal usb creator and picked old syslinux, aint that the correct way? |
| 17:38.59 | homie | why is firefox not able to just launch another windows or tab when another app tries to open a weblink ? |
| 17:39.26 | homie | i mean when firefox is already running, the app tells me something like firefox is already running .....blah |
| 17:39.28 | izzyb | Makuew: I have no idea, but given the option, I'd try with the new syslinux and see if you get better results :) |
| 17:39.36 | dkr | homie: because it wasn't set up that way. you can easily do so with the appropriate commandline options |
| 17:39.45 | izzyb | knows nothing about the new vs old syslinux. |
| 17:39.54 | homie | dkr: how ? |
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| 17:40.24 | stuckey | cahoot: left channel is fine, but right channel just gives faint crackeling and popping noises. |
| 17:41.16 | dkr | homie: I vaguely recall it's something like firefox -remote openurl(url, new-tab) to pass link to running firefox to beopenened in new tab explicitly check out the docs for the -remote option to be sure |
| 17:41.27 | izzyb | Makuew: but I have had issues with booting off thumb drives caused by defects in the thumb drives. you may also want to try a different thumb drive if the new syslinux doesn't solve the problem |
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| 17:42.07 | homie | dkr: oh man, i thought that woulb be the default option set on debian for firefox... |
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| 17:42.22 | Makuew | izzyb: I tried the new syslinux first, and then it dident boot at all. The installation that is. And the server + usb is completely new |
| 17:42.31 | Makuew | hp rack server |
| 17:42.57 | dkr | homie: actually there is aconfig option within firefox to say "open new windows inside tabs" which will force any new opens to opena new tab |
| 17:43.10 | homie | dkr: it just does not feel right to me to have to tell that explicitly.... |
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| 17:43.29 | jelly-hme | Makuew: which model exactly? Proliants BIOSes didn't support booting off USB. Perhaps they still don't. |
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| 17:43.54 | jelly-hme | Makuew: when you can boot off a remote .iso image, you don't care much about usb sticks. |
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| 17:44.41 | homie | dkr: ah that option i think is already set, since all my links are opened in new tabs, what i meant was an external program tries to lauch firefox, which is already running, and the app tells me firefox is already running, kill it and try again or so.... |
| 17:45.10 | dkr | homie: sounds like a bug in the external app, then |
| 17:46.07 | homie | hmm, ok |
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| 17:46.26 | dkr | homie: xchat for example uses the aforementioned firefox -remote option |
| 17:46.29 | homie | it is actually wxmaxima, i tried to open the tutorials via menu |
| 17:46.46 | homie | and it is the stable wxmaxima version actually... |
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| 17:48.48 | izzyb | Makuew: I have to run, but its probably worth trying to recreate the image again just to make sure it wasn't a bad write. and I'd try a new stick - new doesn't always mean perfect. ;( |
| 17:49.04 | Makuew | btw |
| 17:49.09 | Makuew | it doesent matter if i use a dvd image right? |
| 17:49.16 | Makuew | or do i have to use a cd image? |
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| 17:49.47 | izzyb | hmm, don't know. never tried to boot a dvd image from thumb drive. could be the problem though. I'd try a different image |
| 17:50.08 | Makuew | ok, cheers. thanks for you're assistance. have a wonderfull weekend |
| 17:50.19 | izzyb | you too |
| 17:50.35 | Makuew | thanks |
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| 17:56.32 | wildc4rd | evenin all! |
| 17:56.52 | Makuew | Hmm, i need network card drivers for hp servers on debian. But they only support redhat, can i use the redhat drivers on debian? |
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| 17:57.30 | jelly-hme | !bnx2 |
| 17:57.30 | dpkg | [bnx2] The driver for Broadcom NetXtreme II 1Gb (BCM5706/5708/5709/5716) NIC chipsets. Firmware from userspace is required since linux-2.6 2.6.24-7; ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-bnx2 package to provide. If required, ask me about <installer firmware> to provide bnx2 firmware files for device use at Debian installation time. See also <bcm5716>, <bnx2x>. |
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| 17:58.22 | jordanm | Makuew: a great percentage of those times the driver code is actually contributed and found in the upstream kernel |
| 17:58.47 | jelly-hme | Makuew: hp proliants are in general well supported on debian once you get kernel and firmware issues settled. So. Which model exactly do you have? |
| 17:59.14 | Makuew | Hp priolant dl180 g6 |
| 17:59.22 | jordanm | file:///home/jordan/Music/Wu-Tang%20Clan%20-%20Enter%20the%20Wu-Tang%20(36%20Chambers)-((InfamousFlip.com)) |
| 17:59.27 | jelly-hme | aight, G6 is reasonably new. |
| 17:59.40 | jordanm | http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/servers/software/debian/index.html |
| 17:59.50 | jordanm | sorry, I failed at a paste |
| 18:00.04 | jelly-hme | !tell Makuew about kmuto |
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| 18:01.37 | ChrisW | installing backports for anyone else slow or is it just me? |
| 18:01.47 | ChrisW | trying to install mysql-client-5.1... |
| 18:01.59 | dzz | dvs Are You here? |
| 18:02.02 | Makuew | jelly-hme: So lenny-custom-0116.iso has the network card drivers? |
| 18:02.10 | dvs | yes |
| 18:02.40 | jelly-hme | Makuew: debian has the drivers, but that image has the firmware as well |
| 18:02.58 | dzz | dvs you give me a link: http://wiki.debian.org/rt61pci |
| 18:03.09 | Makuew | jelly-hme: How come debian did not find the servers when i tried installing earlier then? |
| 18:03.19 | dzz | I have that's driver already installed |
| 18:03.27 | BLZbubba | is there a make-kpkg expert in the house who can help with this error: http://pastebin.com/kxHnqwpy |
| 18:03.47 | dvs | dzz: But is it configured properly? |
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| 18:04.05 | dzz | dvs m... what do you mean? |
| 18:04.24 | jordanm | BLZbubba: looks like you a re missing a Makefile |
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| 18:04.35 | dzz | how i can configure rt61pci properly? |
| 18:04.36 | jelly-hme | it seems HP362i card in that box is an intel, uses e1000e driver and is supported in 2.6.30+ |
| 18:04.41 | dvs | dzz: 7. Configure your wireless interface as appropriate. |
| 18:04.52 | Makuew | jelly-hme: I hope it doesent cause any problems loading the iso on the a usb drive? |
| 18:04.57 | Makuew | jelly-hme: okay |
| 18:04.59 | ChrisW | also, are there docs in the "right" stuff to go in a /etc/init.d script? |
| 18:05.40 | jelly-hme | Makuew: if you're trying to install debian 5.0, use the kmuto images. If you're installing squeeze, things ought to work |
| 18:05.42 | jordanm | ChrisW: you mean like docs on what a sysv init script is? |
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| 18:06.04 | dzz | dvs [21:02] <dvs> dzz: But is it configured properly? |
| 18:06.05 | BLZbubba | jordanm: ok thanks |
| 18:06.08 | Makuew | jelly-hme: Installing lenny 5. |
| 18:06.08 | dzz | yes, it is |
| 18:06.20 | Makuew | 5.0.7* |
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| 18:07.08 | dvs | dzz: If the routing a configured properly but packets are still not going through, then the problem is probably with the wifi config |
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| 18:08.30 | Makuew | But the usb creater seems to extract the .iso on to the usb. |
| 18:08.55 | Makuew | Shouldent it just be single .iso on it with the bootimg extracted? |
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| 18:09.06 | jordanm | what usb creater? |
| 18:09.20 | dzz | dvs routing.... but i don't configure a routing... |
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| 18:09.25 | Makuew | Universal usb installer |
| 18:09.34 | jelly-hme | can't comment on the usb installation process for debian in polite language |
| 18:09.36 | Makuew | The one ubuntu has on their website for installing by usb |
| 18:09.54 | AnthLee | no Makuew it uses syslinux and not iso linux for booting from usb |
| 18:09.55 | ChrisW | jordanm: well, Red Hat likes things a certain way, my guess is debian does too ;-) |
| 18:10.10 | Makuew | AnthLee: and that should work fine? |
| 18:10.11 | jordanm | Makuew: that is not our tool and I do not think they we recommend it. does it lack a cd drive? |
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| 18:10.22 | Makuew | Yes, it does |
| 18:10.30 | Makuew | and no spot for it eather |
| 18:10.34 | dvs | dzz: izzyb confirmed that your routing is fine. So, it's probably a problem with your wifi config |
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| 18:10.44 | jordanm | !tell Makuew about usb install |
| 18:10.45 | dkr | ChrisW: did you notice /etc/init.d/README ? ;) |
| 18:10.51 | AnthLee | Makuew, yes its extracted because it needs special init for using usb devices instead of CD and DVD |
| 18:11.05 | Makuew | ok |
| 18:11.08 | Makuew | il try now brb |
| 18:11.10 | AnthLee | this init is syslinux |
| 18:11.29 | jordanm | ChrisW: well the standard is all the same. things do not differ until you get into things such as dependancy based booting, in which case all distros *should* follow the LSB standard |
| 18:11.32 | jelly-hme | this beat is technotronic |
| 18:12.04 | dzz | dvs can you help with my problem or i should better wait for izzyb? |
| 18:12.12 | jordanm | ChrisW: try /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.* |
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| 18:12.49 | dvs | dzz: Wait for izzyb |
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| 18:12.53 | ChrisW | dkr, jordanm: thanks, exactly what I was after :-) |
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| 18:13.52 | Makuew | Installer loaded and halted on cd rom locating, and when i specific the usb /dev path it dident accept it |
| 18:14.07 | Makuew | so i guess il try with the debian guide then |
| 18:14.32 | jordanm | Makuew: that was a common problem with unetbootin instead of the method in the install guide |
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| 18:14.47 | AnthLee | Makuew, yeah its lacking casper |
| 18:14.49 | lcb | hi all. how can i read a bash history, with the results of commands i typed (non graphical interface, only remote console with putty). i would like to check the output after issuing Perl's PHP::Serialisation library 'perl -MCPAN -e shell' |
| 18:14.55 | AnthLee | Makuew, I forgot about that little tidbit |
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| 18:15.24 | jelly-hme | lcb: the history tracks your input, not the output of commands |
| 18:16.07 | jordanm | lcb: run it again? |
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| 18:16.09 | lcb | jelly-hme: that's what i ware affraid :( it seems lime there was an warning or error during the process |
| 18:16.36 | jelly-hme | judd: versions libphp-serialization-perl |
| 18:16.39 | judd | Package libphp-serialization-perl on i386 -- lenny: 0.27-1; sid: 0.34-1; squeeze: 0.34-1 |
| 18:17.03 | jelly-hme | dpkg, tell lcb about dh-make-perl |
| 18:17.18 | lcb | jordanm: yes, i'll do it again... tks |
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| 18:17.37 | jelly-hme | lcb: did you need a version newer than what in your debian release? |
| 18:17.39 | lcb | jelly-hme« thanks a lot |
| 18:17.43 | jordanm | lcb: I would actually install the debian package instead, since it is available |
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| 18:18.19 | lcb | jelly-hme: not sure; i'm following infos on how to install latest zoneminder on lenny |
| 18:18.44 | jelly-hme | lcb: next time you're hunting for a module from CPAN, try and see if it's packaged already: apt-cache search PHP::Serialization |
| 18:18.57 | lcb | zoneminder on lenny... http://www.rmacd.com/howto/zoneminder-debian-lenny-install.php |
| 18:19.48 | lcb | jelly-hme: sure.. i trusted the poster :) |
| 18:19.49 | jelly-hme | yeah. I'm not sure why they didn't elect to use the already present package from lenny |
| 18:20.35 | jelly-hme | and ffmpeg from /usr/local/, srsly |
| 18:21.01 | jordanm | I saw that, perhaps he is bundling with ffmpeg and giving ffmpeg that install prefix? |
| 18:21.13 | stew | judd: versions zoneminder |
| 18:21.15 | judd | Package zoneminder on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 1.24.2-3.1; squeeze: 1.24.2-7; sid: 1.24.2-8 |
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| 18:21.51 | lcb | probably... i'll keep going. last attempt i only got stuck on the mysql password.. let's see what happen now |
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| 18:22.41 | jordanm | well, if it requires the creation of a database, you are not going to get too far without the root mysql password |
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| 18:23.29 | lcb | judd« : is there a way of installing it without allow sid sources? |
| 18:23.45 | stew | lcb: /msg dpkg dmm |
| 18:23.52 | lcb | ok.... |
| 18:24.20 | lcb | thank you guys and honored gals |
| 18:24.27 | lcb | :) |
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| 18:26.14 | lcb | stew, sorry for calling you judd, btw |
| 18:27.06 | jordanm | he is one of the authors, so close enough :) |
| 18:27.13 | lcb | hehehe |
| 18:30.10 | UukGoblin | hi guys, where can I find debconf protocol specification? |
| 18:30.36 | UukGoblin | the manpage at http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man3/Debconf::Client::ConfModule.3.html says it's in Debian policy, but I can't find it there |
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| 18:31.39 | cybersphinx | Hello, is there a known problem with the squeeze installer rc with regard to proxies? I tried the netinst version, set my other machine with apt-cacher-ng as proxy, and it complained about an unknown release or something. Works without proxy, and the proxy works locally (don't have a remote installation to test atm unfortunately). |
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| 18:31.46 | jordanm | UukGoblin: man debconf-devel |
| 18:31.46 | stew | UukGoblin: man 7 debconf-devel |
| 18:32.00 | UukGoblin | thanks |
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| 18:37.14 | alteregoa | someone help me with mdadm.conf |
| 18:37.41 | alteregoa | if i type blkid i get a UUID_SUB, do i have to enter the UUID_SUB in the mdadm.conf? |
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| 18:43.14 | jelly-hme | alteregoa: no. use /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf |
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| 18:46.58 | alteregoa | jelly mkconf needs parameters? |
| 18:47.12 | txafk | how can i route through lan my public ips ? |
| 18:47.34 | jelly-hme | alteregoa: not that I remember |
| 18:47.52 | alteregoa | ok i executed it but it didnt change the line i added |
| 18:48.17 | alteregoa | its the blkid of md0 so its ok |
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| 18:48.54 | alteregoa | i hope it is not that complicated to add a raid1 on root |
| 18:49.00 | jelly-hme | alteregoa: it outputs to stdout, doesn't change your conf file directly. You can paste the array lines into your current mdadm.conf or overwrite it completely using shell redirection if you want |
| 18:49.18 | alteregoa | ah |
| 18:49.37 | alteregoa | so mkconf >/etc/mdadm.conf or osmething |
| 18:49.42 | jelly-hme | aight |
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| 18:50.59 | alteregoa | Strange |
| 18:51.16 | alteregoa | it wrote ARRAY /dev/md/0 metadata=1.2 |
| 18:51.25 | alteregoa | why those slash after /dev/md0? |
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| 18:57.28 | txafk | need some help in routing public ips. could someone help me a bit? thanks |
| 18:58.27 | tharkun | txafk: man iptables and also take a google trip and research ip forwarding using iptables |
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| 18:58.46 | txafk | i already did that for last 6 hours |
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| 18:59.53 | txafk | i don't need nat |
| 19:00.32 | xk | txafk: whats the prob? |
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| 19:00.50 | bolt | txafk: if you're not that fluent in iptables, you could consider checking out shorewall, which does most of them for you |
| 19:01.03 | txafk | i have a class of 32 public ips |
| 19:01.08 | xk | ok |
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| 19:01.11 | txafk | and i'd like to route them with linux |
| 19:01.19 | bolt | you have our permission to do so |
| 19:01.20 | xk | is that your only set of addresses? |
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| 19:01.43 | txafk | 32 public ips attached to another one wich is uplink |
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| 19:02.01 | xk | ok. |
| 19:02.08 | tharkun | txafk: http://ramblings.narrabilis.com/wp/ip-forward-using-iptables-port-and-host-redirect/ |
| 19:02.26 | txafk | i don't want port forward |
| 19:02.34 | tharkun | !goal |
| 19:02.34 | dpkg | Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is. |
| 19:02.47 | txafk | i have full public ips |
| 19:02.52 | xk | ok. |
| 19:02.57 | xk | so on the gateway box, you have two NICs? |
| 19:03.02 | txafk | yes |
| 19:03.04 | xk | ok |
| 19:03.06 | txafk | eth0 is set uplink ip |
| 19:03.14 | txafk | and eth1 is set one ip of those 32 |
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| 19:03.32 | txafk | obviously not the first or last one |
| 19:03.32 | tharkun | !enter |
| 19:03.33 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 19:03.38 | xk | set the client machines gateway to the IP of the eth1. |
| 19:03.46 | txafk | i already did that |
| 19:03.50 | txafk | is not working |
| 19:03.58 | xk | firewall enabled? |
| 19:04.03 | txafk | on pc's ? no |
| 19:04.09 | xk | on gateway box |
| 19:04.10 | stew | txafk: is ip_forard enabled on the router? |
| 19:04.16 | txafk | on linux? no |
| 19:04.32 | txafk | it is a default installation |
| 19:04.38 | tharkun | hands stew a brand new W key ;P |
| 19:04.40 | xk | when is ip forwarding needed? |
| 19:04.58 | txafk | yes |
| 19:05.01 | txafk | is enabled with |
| 19:05.05 | txafk | echo 1 > ///// |
| 19:05.34 | xk | ok, is default gateway set on gateway box? |
| 19:05.43 | txafk | yes as for the uplink |
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| 19:06.13 | xk | cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 19:06.15 | txafk | eth0 is set: uplink ip; netmask; gateway |
| 19:06.34 | txafk | on eth1 : 1st usable IP of those 32; and netmask |
| 19:06.42 | txafk | it is 1 |
| 19:07.04 | xk | ok, try traceroute from gateway->google, and client->google |
| 19:08.03 | txafk | i have no link from client |
| 19:08.04 | xk | another good way to test is external->one_of_32_addresses |
| 19:08.08 | txafk | but from server is working |
| 19:08.17 | xk | why no link? |
| 19:08.23 | xk | pastebin |
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| 19:09.24 | txafk | moment, checking again whole structure |
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| 19:11.52 | xk | i got an idea i just remembered |
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| 19:12.04 | xk | traceroute -s <eth1_address> google.com |
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| 19:21.10 | dzz | dvs Are you here? |
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| 19:36.30 | bolt | er. how do i get apt-get to reinstall a package and include a config file i removed? |
| 19:36.44 | xk | apt-get install --reinstall <pkg> |
| 19:36.44 | jordanm | !confmiss |
| 19:36.44 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>. |
| 19:36.49 | bolt | i accidentally removed shorewall.conf, and apt-get will neither install nor uninstall it because it can't find the config file |
| 19:38.07 | bolt | thanks :D |
| 19:38.11 | bolt | that did it |
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| 19:42.15 | fbs | why gives ssh a pinenrty @ random |
| 19:42.33 | fbs | sometimes it wants me to enter the pass in the shell |
| 19:42.42 | fbs | and sometimes it gives a pinentry screen |
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| 20:00.50 | eject_ck | Hi guys, can somebody help me to figure out if there is any security or any other reasons to block packet if src port and dst ports are the same ? |
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| 20:02.08 | acx0 | is it possible to use wildcards in aptitude? I tried issueing "aptitude remove openoffice*" but it interpreted the asterisk literally |
| 20:03.35 | eject_ck | I've accidently figured that my ISP blocks packets (both udp and tcp) if src port and dst port are the same |
| 20:03.41 | eject_ck | trying to figure why |
| 20:04.09 | sedulous | acx0: not very elegant but works: aptitude purge $(dpkg -l openoffice* |sed -nr 's/^ii\s+([^ ]+).*/\1/p') |
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| 20:04.50 | acx0 | sedulous, thanks, but I used "aptide remove ~nopenoffice" |
| 20:04.57 | sedulous | does that work, acx0? |
| 20:05.01 | mutante | Iceweasel vs. GNU IceCat vs. gNewSense BurningDog , could someone put an end to this and just merge those projects :p kthx , if not, can we have icecat and icecat-nonfree packages but stop inventing new names supposed to sound "unlike firefox" :p |
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| 20:05.12 | acx0 | sedulous, ya, just found it in the man page, but thanks for the help |
| 20:05.15 | sedulous | nice |
| 20:05.32 | acx0 | can you do "aptitude purge package" before removing it? |
| 20:05.36 | sedulous | mutante: good point |
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| 20:07.40 | stew | mutante: what on earth would be in icecat-nonfree? |
| 20:08.05 | mutante | stew: the stuff that is in iceweasel now and GNU does not consider free, which causes them to make icecat |
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| 20:09.01 | stew | mutante: is there any such stuff? |
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| 20:09.23 | mutante | arr, no, i don't know, it seems a two-sided thing: "gNewSense excludes non-free software that Debian includes (such as non-free/proprietary firmware) and does not have repositories for non-free software (which Debian has). It should be noted, however, that gNewSense's policies allow including documentation that the Debian project considers non-free, particularly that licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License " |
| 20:09.48 | mutante | i wish GNU and Debian could agree on something.. seems ridiculous |
| 20:10.02 | mutante | and i like both |
| 20:10.39 | stew | don't hold your breath waiting for debian to change the social contract |
| 20:10.39 | thewanderer1 | eject_ck: blocking packets whose src and dst port are the same is the favourite nazi admins' entertainment |
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| 20:10.59 | sedulous | mutante: the default setup of Debian is moving more into the direction of gNewSense regarding some issues, like with the libre Linux kernel in Squeeze |
| 20:11.04 | stew | and as long as the social contract and the dfsg remain unchanged, debian isn't going to include non-free docs |
| 20:11.10 | eject_ck | thewanderer1: any other ideas ? |
| 20:11.31 | thewanderer1 | eject_ck: no, there is absolutely no reason to restrict any IP traffic when you are an ISP |
| 20:11.35 | eject_ck | thewanderer1: do you have any info about this game ? |
| 20:11.47 | eject_ck | :) |
| 20:12.29 | eject_ck | problem that ISP admins said that nothing blocked in their network |
| 20:12.46 | thewanderer1 | heh... apparently they don't know their network :P |
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| 20:22.10 | stuckey | hi all |
| 20:22.32 | stuckey | Can anyone tell me why I have no sound out of my right speaker and no way to adjust the volume level, or how I can enable sound on stable? |
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| 20:23.54 | Sicelo | stuckey: so your left speaker works? are you sure your hardware is in good shape? |
| 20:24.34 | stuckey | Sicelo: hardware condition isn't known -- it's older stuff. |
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| 20:25.07 | stuckey | Sicelo: but given that I can't control the volume level, things don't seem to be normal on the software end, so I'm assuming for now that the hardware is okay and that this is a software issue. |
| 20:25.32 | Sicelo | have you tried alsamixer? |
| 20:25.47 | stuckey | Sicelo: doesn't work. |
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| 20:26.04 | Sicelo | what happens when you run it? |
| 20:26.18 | stuckey | Sicelo: I'll take a screenshot |
| 20:26.28 | Sicelo | sure |
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| 20:28.15 | mutante | stew: well, i understand, sigh, i guess its just in my utopia Debian is still _the_ GNU Linux distri, because the differences are minor compared to the huge market of real non-free |
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| 20:28.24 | mutante | and forces could be combined |
| 20:28.59 | stuckey | msg Sicelo http://stuckey.goat.feralhosting.com/screen.png |
| 20:29.51 | stuckey | Sicelo: so that's what I see here, and I can't move or adjust anything. |
| 20:30.44 | Sicelo | i'm still trying to open the screenshot, my connection is not so perfect here |
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| 20:32.11 | Sicelo | up arrow and down arrow don't do anything? |
| 20:32.22 | stuckey | Sicelo: not a thing |
| 20:32.40 | stuckey | Sicelo: but, I still have high volume out of the left channel. |
| 20:32.57 | stuckey | Even though master shows zero, and I have no gnome volume control (it crashed and a reboot didn't bring it back). |
| 20:33.58 | stew | stuckey: master doesn't show zero, it shows as only a two state: mute and unmute |
| 20:33.59 | Sicelo | i'll be honest with you that I'm no alsa expert |
| 20:34.08 | Sicelo | but try man alsactl |
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| 20:34.24 | stew | stuckey: you should be able to adjust the PCM volume |
| 20:34.27 | stuckey | stew: i always adjust master. |
| 20:34.37 | stuckey | stew: you're right, I can adjust pcm. |
| 20:34.42 | stew | stuckey: master isn't adjustable other than mute/unmute |
| 20:34.49 | stuckey | stew: it certainly is. |
| 20:34.57 | stew | stuckey: no, it isn't |
| 20:35.01 | stuckey | I've adjusted it before. |
| 20:35.17 | stew | stuckey: with this same card + driver + driver version combination? |
| 20:35.27 | stuckey | stew: no this is first time I've used this hardware. |
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| 20:35.53 | stew | stuckey: with this driver / card, master does not appear to be adjustable |
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| 20:35.59 | stew | stuckey: perhaps try a newer driver |
| 20:36.25 | stuckey | stew: So I should try squeeze? |
| 20:37.01 | stew | stuckey: no, i'd not recommend upgrading EVERYTHING for this, just the kernel first |
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| 20:37.18 | stew | stuckey: but is this really a problem? why not just adjust pcm? |
| 20:37.36 | stuckey | stew: because I only get audio out of the left channel. |
| 20:37.45 | stew | stuckey: is the cable all the way plugged in? |
| 20:37.53 | stuckey | connections are good |
| 20:37.56 | stew | stuckey: what happens if you turn up just the right volume? |
| 20:38.34 | stuckey | stew: right volume? |
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| 20:38.54 | stew | yes, turn left to zero and right to non-zero |
| 20:38.59 | stuckey | stew: where? |
| 20:39.03 | stew | pcm |
| 20:39.34 | stuckey | stew: I don't know how to do this. |
| 20:39.54 | stew | stuckey: q/z adjusts left, e/c adjusts right, w/x adjusts both |
| 20:39.57 | magnus_ | how can i remove a file which file name starts with -c? (-cache.lib). rm -cache.lib, rm \-cache.lib, rm "-cache.lib", rm "\-cache.lib" fails with error mv: invalid option -- 'c' .. as if it interprets the filename as a parameter |
| 20:40.20 | stew | magnus_: rm -- -cache.lib |
| 20:40.26 | stuckey | stew: I see no change in alsa when I hit those buttons. |
| 20:40.34 | magnus_ | stew, thanks |
| 20:40.59 | stew | stuckey: then use amixer |
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| 20:43.23 | stuckey | stew: why don't I have gnome vol. control in the top right? |
| 20:43.34 | stew | no idea |
| 20:44.02 | stew | i'd guess becuase you didn't add it? |
| 20:44.31 | stuckey | stew: it's default at install. I had it, then it crashed, and it didn't come back. |
| 20:45.24 | stew | what is "it" in "it crashed"? |
| 20:46.02 | stuckey | gnonme volume control aplet |
| 20:46.23 | stew | you could re-add it i guess, but there is nothing in there you can't do with alsamixer or amixer |
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| 20:47.02 | stew | i don't know if adding it again will mean you have two the next time gnome starts, i'm not a gnome user |
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| 21:25.13 | Xanthor[aw] | hi |
| 21:25.22 | Xanthor[aw] | i've got a broken dependency problem : |
| 21:25.25 | Xanthor[aw] | apt-get install avidemux mplayer |
| 21:25.35 | Xanthor[aw] | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 21:25.36 | Xanthor[aw] | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.36 | Xanthor[aw] | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.36 | Xanthor[aw] | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.36 | Xanthor[aw] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:27.58 | Xanthor[aw] | full log here : http://paste.debian.net/105329/ |
| 21:28.21 | Xanthor[aw] | (I use sid) |
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| 21:32.19 | daedhel | Xanthor[aw], did you update your repos? |
| 21:32.24 | daedhel | aptitude update |
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| 21:36.19 | Xanthor[aw] | daedhel sure |
| 21:36.42 | Xanthor[aw] | this problem is not just today by the way |
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| 21:38.40 | keith4 | Xanthor[aw]: you'll have that, from time to time, with sid |
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| 21:39.25 | keith4 | Xanthor[aw]: file a bug, and add those two libs to your install line |
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| 21:41.29 | Xanthor[aw] | could you show me how to file a bug step by step? |
| 21:42.42 | keith4 | Xanthor[aw]: install and use 'reportbug'. but if you don't know that, why are you running sid? ;-) |
| 21:42.43 | thewanderer1 | !reportbug |
| 21:42.43 | dpkg | used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 21:42.56 | Xanthor[aw] | thx |
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| 21:46.43 | jhutchins_lt | Xanthor[aw]: Aren't dependency problems pretty much par for the course with sid? |
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| 22:21.11 | cheche | Hi, it is possible to install gnome-shell on debian squeeze? |
| 22:22.24 | cheche | I saw that is on experimetnal, but when I try to install did not look right, too many dependencies unsatiface |
| 22:23.11 | Allanis | If it is a package, grab it. |
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| 22:24.07 | Allanis | apt-cache search gnome|grep -i shell |
| 22:25.16 | cheche | Allanis: the problem is that it hass too many dependencies. and Aptitude suggest not to install it. |
| 22:25.18 | Allanis | Oh |
| 22:25.22 | Allanis | About GNOME Shell |
| 22:25.22 | Allanis | ================= |
| 22:25.23 | Allanis | GNOME Shell provides core user interface functions for the GNOME 3 |
| 22:25.23 | Allanis | desktop, like switching to windows and launching applications. |
| 22:25.23 | Allanis | GNOME Shell takes advantage of the capabilities of modern graphics |
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| 22:25.40 | Allanis | Sorry |
| 22:25.44 | Allanis | You mean the above flood? |
| 22:25.46 | Ricardo__ | pulseaudio works in debian uhuh |
| 22:25.49 | Ricardo__ | i removed alsa |
| 22:26.05 | cheche | Allanis: yes, I want that. |
| 22:26.07 | rooisto47 | hi everyone |
| 22:26.31 | cheche | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDVz9NTjuNE |
| 22:26.43 | Allanis | You can have it on Debian Sid ... |
| 22:28.21 | cheche | Allanis: I am using squeeze, so I thought that I was close enough to test it. |
| 22:28.35 | jhutchins_lt | Allanis: It's actually only in experimental. |
| 22:28.50 | jhutchins_lt | cheche: You could set up a test partition. |
| 22:29.01 | jhutchins_lt | cheche: I wouldn't try to install it on a working system though. |
| 22:29.09 | rooisto47 | I've question about the dhclient durring boot sequence (if configured), usually we cant abort that step hitting "Ctrl-c" (even in boot) but since my last (safe-upgrade) I can't do it anymore can you tell me why I can't do so ? or who to fix this ? |
| 22:30.00 | jhutchins_lt | rooisto47: Couls you restate your question more clearly?\ |
| 22:30.17 | thewanderer1 | uh. I just hit a very strange bug in Chromium |
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| 22:31.30 | thewanderer1 | inside it, jQuery returns mostly random values of canvas object's height/width |
| 22:31.37 | thewanderer1 | I managed to get 3 different readouts so far |
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| 22:33.03 | Ricardo__ | anyone have problem with fstab? |
| 22:33.07 | Ricardo__ | in squeeze |
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| 22:34.18 | karlpinc | !tell Ricardo__ about anyone |
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| 22:35.55 | rooisto47 | jhujhiti: well, when you have /etc/network/interfaces configured to use dhcp to get connected on eth0 interface, then in the boot sequence when init execute dhclient to get the ip, one are able to cancel this operation right ?! I used to do that when I'm not connected to the network (with my laptop) but sinice the last update I did it's not working anymore (it won't let me cancel the dhclient step at boot by hitting Ctrl-c) ! and I don't know why ? |
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| 22:38.45 | cheche | jhutchins_lt: do you know of any way appart o using experimental to test gnome-sheel on a running system? |
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| 22:39.03 | jhutchins_lt | cheche: Nope. |
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| 22:39.52 | rooisto47 | jhutchins_lt, you saw my answer ?! |
| 22:39.55 | jhutchins_lt | cheche: Of course you could always build your own packages from source, but I would imagine it's pretty complex with lots of dependencies. It's not just a shell, it's the next version of Gnome with all that implies. |
| 22:40.42 | rooisto47 | jhutchins_lt, I mean my restated question |
| 22:40.48 | cheche | justin: but a few weeks back you could it test it apparently. |
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| 22:41.30 | jhutchins_lt | rooisto47: You could submit a bugreport. I would experiment with it outside of init first, and it could be due to the dependency based boot system rather than a sequential init. |
| 22:41.45 | Xanthor[aw] | jhutchins_lt : no, usually, with sid, dependancy problems last 1 or 2 days |
| 22:43.20 | rooisto47 | you mean it's a known bug |
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| 22:45.30 | rooisto47 | jhutchins_lt, outside init you can cancel dhclient normally |
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| 22:55.41 | Ergo^ | where can i check to what degree debian supports newer GPU's ? |
| 22:56.37 | jhutchins_lt | Ergo^: Well, you can check with the manufacturer. If they support linux then debian, being linux, will be able to support them. |
| 22:56.59 | jhutchins_lt | rooisto47: Sounds like it's probably due to the new boot system. |
| 22:57.24 | jhutchins_lt | rooisto47: I would suggest you move the configuration to network manager. |
| 22:57.36 | Ergo^ | jhutchins_lt, i wonder if you gave me this usless advice on purpose |
| 22:57.51 | Ergo^ | reads xf86-video-radeonhd to answers |
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| 22:58.31 | jhutchins_lt | suspects Ergo^ doesn't entirely understand the process. |
| 22:58.53 | jhutchins_lt | Not that it really matters. |
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| 23:00.55 | mooglenorph | Hi, what's the "nicest" way to render an ascii or utf8 text file to postscript? For printing? |
| 23:01.07 | mooglenorph | Preferebly with some options about headers and stuff that I can tweak. |
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| 23:03.54 | zulax | is there a separate dowload for server editions of Debian or are all the same? |
| 23:05.05 | dondelelcaro | zulax: we don't have editions; you can install a version of Debian for anything from the same mirrors |
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| 23:05.27 | dondelelcaro | zulax: the only difference between some mirrors is whether they are complete, or only mirror some architectures |
| 23:06.54 | zulax | okay, been used to ubuntu so was wondering how it is like in real Debian World |
| 23:07.18 | zulax | Hopefully after playing around with ubuntu a little bit, I am ready for my own debian server |
| 23:07.47 | dondelelcaro | zulax: ah; yeah, the only thing in debian that differentiates what you use a Debian machine for is which packages you decide to install |
| 23:07.58 | jhutchins_lt | zulax: Debian's a bit more of a do-it-yourself distro. |
| 23:08.21 | ScottG | Anyone know of a program to convert images to a pdf file? |
| 23:09.33 | zulax | uname -m gives me i686 but i dont see that arch. in debian download page |
| 23:09.34 | dondelelcaro | ScottG: there are lots of them; what type of image do you want to convert? |
| 23:09.39 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: Well, the easy way would be to past the image to an ooffice document and save to pdf. Gimp could probably print to pdf if you have the pdf print filter installed. |
| 23:09.40 | dondelelcaro | zulax: that's i386 |
| 23:09.55 | jhutchins_lt | Imagemagic can probably convert them. |
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| 23:10.10 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: Ah good idea. Gonna check out gs too |
| 23:10.12 | dondelelcaro | unfortunatly, imagemagick does a kind of crappy job |
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| 23:10.43 | dondelelcaro | personally uses a custom package of png2pdf which properly handles alpha channels |
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| 23:11.18 | zulax | dondelelcaro, online? http://www.pdfonline.com/convert-pdf/ |
| 23:12.50 | dondelelcaro | zulax: oh, probably; I don't personally like sending my data to random online sites, though |
| 23:13.32 | zulax | is there a way to know beforehand if PHP5 is released for current Debian version, similarly what version of ruby is in the official repos ? |
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| 23:14.22 | Arrowmaster | zulax: packages.debian.org |
| 23:15.34 | zulax | dondelelcaro, gimp? |
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| 23:15.46 | zulax | i am not sure but even openoffice might do it |
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| 23:16.28 | Joint | hello there i have a question Yesterday i did some dist-upgrade to update it some packages. everything went fine, until today that my wireless, got disable how can i fix this? |
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| 23:17.07 | Joint | the driver is ath5k |
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| 23:18.44 | zulax | I now sense a possible problem, I only have 1 cd to burn right now (flash drive boot doesnt work) |
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| 23:19.07 | zulax | if debian doesnt support the wireless, i am not going to have a good night sleep |
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| 23:21.22 | rooisto47 | l/X |
| 23:21.57 | stew | zulax: which chipset is the wireless? |
| 23:22.05 | Joint | can someone help me ? |
| 23:22.07 | Joint | with my error? |
| 23:22.17 | Joint | or to help me to bring my wlan0 interface up |
| 23:22.45 | Joint | in my network-manager it says wireless is disable |
| 23:22.50 | Joint | how do i re enable it? |
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| 23:24.25 | Some_Person | Joint: What kind of card? |
| 23:24.26 | zulax | stew, i believe its listed as Ethernet? its intel co. Pro/100 VE |
| 23:24.45 | Joint | Some_Person, is an ath5k |
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| 23:26.09 | Joint | can someone help me? |
| 23:26.19 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: where can i download that package ;P |
| 23:26.42 | Joint | SIOCSIFFLAGS: Unknown error 132 |
| 23:26.44 | Joint | how come? |
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| 23:29.52 | Joint | damn no one fucking helps |
| 23:30.07 | anao | Joint? |
| 23:30.15 | KB1JWQ | Joint: Please be patient / watch your language. |
| 23:30.19 | anao | which problem.? |
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| 23:30.45 | Joint | my ath5k wireless got disable |
| 23:30.55 | KB1JWQ | Joint: What did you change? |
| 23:31.00 | KB1JWQ | Upgrade anything? |
| 23:31.00 | Joint | and now don't know what's going on with it. |
| 23:31.06 | Joint | well yesterday |
| 23:31.08 | Joint | i did a dist-upgrade |
| 23:31.24 | KB1JWQ | Joint: And you didn't think that was worth mentioning in your problem description because... |
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| 23:31.37 | Joint | i did say it ;) |
| 23:31.49 | anao | do a lspci and lsmod to show if recognized first |
| 23:31.59 | KB1JWQ | dmesg may also be helpful. :-) |
| 23:32.14 | anao | after upgrades often firmware is missed by the kernel |
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| 23:32.24 | Joint | 07:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01 |
| 23:32.51 | anao | squeeze and sid uses firmware as packeges for nofree drivers.. |
| 23:33.08 | Joint | i'm using sid, |
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| 23:33.16 | anao | this results 1000 of discussions on net |
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| 23:33.36 | Joint | so how can i re enable my wireless device? |
| 23:33.40 | tharkun | Gentlemen i need to compile some stuff for a server. Which is the best way to do it. Also the cleanest one would be needed. Since after compiling the stuff i want to leave the server as it was before. |
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| 23:33.59 | stew | zulax: that's ethernet, not wireless, but the installer would support it |
| 23:34.00 | anao | easy if you have the old kernel on the system |
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| 23:34.12 | anao | reboot on old kernel |
| 23:34.21 | Joint | i did reboot |
| 23:34.23 | Joint | a few times |
| 23:34.25 | Joint | and nothing happens |
| 23:34.28 | anao | and install firmware packages with aptitude |
| 23:34.46 | zulax | stew, thanks :) |
| 23:35.01 | stew | Joint: what is the deviceid of your card (lspci -nn would tell you) |
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| 23:35.46 | Joint | 07:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter [168c:001c] (rev 01) |
| 23:35.54 | stew | judd: pciid 168c:001c |
| 23:35.55 | judd | [168c:001c] is 'AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath5k' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:001c http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k and the out-of-tree 'ath_pci' module. |
| 23:35.56 | anao | since squeeze many companys servers stops running net cards after upgrades |
| 23:36.12 | stew | Joint: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 23:36.25 | Joint | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 23:36.27 | anao | i hoped the info help you |
| 23:36.47 | dondelelcaro | anao: if you're upgrading a machine which needs firmware, you will be warned if you don't have it installed |
| 23:37.01 | stew | Joint: run "modprobe -r ath5k ; modprobe ath5k" and see what "dmesg | tail" says when the driver is loaded |
| 23:37.17 | anao | in my opinion all netdrivers should be free and inside the kernel |
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| 23:37.37 | Joint | let me pastebin the output sterna |
| 23:37.39 | Joint | *stew |
| 23:37.41 | anao | linux without net is nothing value, sorry for my bad english |
| 23:37.43 | dondelelcaro | anao: the drivers all are; the firmware is often not |
| 23:37.44 | tharkun | anao: you have a valid opinion, tell the developers about it ;P |
| 23:37.58 | anao | :-) |
| 23:38.37 | dondelelcaro | we do actually have some cases where we have firmware and the source to build that firmware... but that's fairly rare |
| 23:38.38 | anao | but you all agree newbies ran away from linux if net isn't working.. |
| 23:39.00 | Joint | stew, here it is http://pastebin.com/y8DDKeU9 |
| 23:39.17 | dondelelcaro | anao: market share isn't Debian's primary concern. |
| 23:39.25 | stew | anao: yes, but our only other alternative is to include the non-free stuff in debian, and given the two alternatives, we'd much rather strive to keep debian 100% free software |
| 23:39.34 | anao | i must close here..coffeebreak..by to all www.linuxonlinehelp.de |
| 23:40.02 | Joint | you saw the paste stew? |
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| 23:40.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't understand why the kernel needs firmware, though... that should be running on the card itself and be transparent to the OS, I always thought |
| 23:40.22 | stew | Joint: yes, does "ip l" now show your wireless? |
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| 23:40.56 | Joint | 6: wlan0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN qlen 1000 |
| 23:40.56 | Joint | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.57 | tharkun | CutMeOwnThroat: firmware is not persistent through a powerdown. |
| 23:40.58 | Joint | there it is |
| 23:41.18 | tharkun | ram is cheaper that flash or eprom |
| 23:41.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | should be on some eprom |
| 23:41.26 | alteregoa | i need a howto from nonraid to raid1 with mdadm with system disk(s) |
| 23:41.47 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: harder to update then |
| 23:42.01 | tharkun | CutMeOwnThroat: some devices have it on eprom, some don't it is indeed a manufacturer choice |
| 23:42.17 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: eproms increase the price point |
| 23:42.27 | Joint | stew, it is there |
| 23:42.32 | tharkun | amphi: if you have the proper logic it is simple to update. But the extra logic to do it incresases the pricetag of the card |
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| 23:42.47 | amphi | tharkun: uhuh |
| 23:42.53 | stew | Joint: and n-m still doesn't see it? |
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| 23:43.16 | tharkun | has done some hw development |
| 23:43.48 | Joint | huh? |
| 23:44.14 | stew | Joint: are you still having problems with network-manager? |
| 23:44.19 | Joint | yeah |
| 23:44.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | still seems strange to me... doesn't that complicate powering up the device? |
| 23:44.24 | Joint | still i cannot see my wireless |
| 23:44.34 | Joint | it says wlan0 device not ready |
| 23:45.12 | stew | Joint: is it the same after "ip link set wlan0 up" ? |
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| 23:45.44 | Joint | yeah |
| 23:45.45 | Joint | same |
| 23:45.51 | tharkun | man iwconfig |
| 23:45.59 | stew | Joint: is there a hardware switch for the wireless? |
| 23:46.07 | Joint | yeah but it does not work |
| 23:46.40 | stew | Joint: does "iwlist scan" find APs? |
| 23:47.00 | Joint | wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
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| 23:47.49 | amphi | Joint: what if you do ifconfig wlan0 up? does iwlist scan then work? |
| 23:48.06 | Joint | SIOCSIFFLAGS: Unknown error 132 |
| 23:48.08 | Joint | it says that |
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| 23:50.23 | Joint | what does that error means? |
| 23:50.25 | Joint | any how? |
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| 23:54.44 | amphi | it has a number, so it must be a Known Unknown ;) |
| 23:55.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... so do YOU know rule number one? |
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| 23:56.41 | sedulous | Joint: it's probably the RF kill switch |
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| 23:57.00 | sedulous | s/probably/eventually/ |
| 23:57.01 | Arrowmaster | hmm in my /etc/smartd.conf i have '-d removable -n standby -H -l selftest -l error -f' for each drive but recently it started reporting to syslog every 30 minutes when the attributes of only one of my drives changed |
| 23:57.58 | crypted | random question: can you have two MX entries for a domain? i.e. two MX entries for @domain.com. I'd like to go Google Apps for one email account. But they require MX and not simply forwarding. So, I'd like a secondary MX to catch the 6 other accounts i dont want to pay to establish at Google Apps. |
| 23:58.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think you meant "probably"... wouldn't eventually mean it is, but only after we spent lots of time finding out that it is? |
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