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| 00:01.21 | romel | hi guys. I need to connect to my machine over ssh. The local locale is en_EN.UTF-8 but the remote is ru_RU.KOI8-R. How can I change the locale for each rxvt window before connecting to ssh? |
| 00:02.10 | bolt | crypted: you can have several MX entries, but they all need to accept all the email addresses |
| 00:02.29 | bolt | crypted: smtp servers will not try another if the first one doesn't accept the recipient, only if the first one does not respond at all |
| 00:02.50 | crypted | bolt: therefore, there isn't any way but to pay google for all or none? crapy |
| 00:03.26 | bolt | crypted: what is it google requires that makes you change your mx setup? |
| 00:03.42 | crypted | to use your own domain w/ google apps. i.e. @gmail.com becomes @yourdomain.com |
| 00:03.53 | crypted | they require 1 CNAME and the MX |
| 00:04.20 | crypted | i have 1 primary email on my domain. but, i have a few sluff emails for registrations and crap |
| 00:04.44 | crypted | essentially i'll have to pay per email@ or combine them into one email and deal w/ floods while i create proper filters |
| 00:04.44 | Arrowmaster | you get 50 address with free google apps |
| 00:04.45 | bolt | crypted: ah, they force you to use their mx for your domain? |
| 00:04.55 | crypted | yes bolt |
| 00:05.09 | crypted | Arrowmaster: i saw that, but i'm wondering what the difference is in free vs business |
| 00:05.20 | Arrowmaster | im using the free on two domains |
| 00:05.22 | bolt | i guess business get more? |
| 00:05.23 | crypted | i want to use my linux w/ the calendar and sync it to their gmail/calendar and to my android |
| 00:05.35 | crypted | more apps from what it appears |
| 00:05.38 | crypted | i only want two apps though |
| 00:05.43 | crypted | all are in the free |
| 00:05.54 | crypted | but there are no specs on what the FREE provides feature wise |
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| 00:06.03 | crypted | im betting tons of ads and stuff |
| 00:06.05 | Arrowmaster | not sure if you can do that, google apps has always seemed like its been extremely disconnected from the rest of the google stuff |
| 00:06.19 | crypted | Arrowmaster: its supported |
| 00:06.22 | Arrowmaster | so you might not be able to use any of it on an android phone |
| 00:06.24 | crypted | at least in the pro version |
| 00:06.37 | crypted | the sales people called earlier and reiterated the support |
| 00:06.39 | crypted | says it on the sites too |
| 00:06.47 | crypted | but again, theres no real site to explain the free option |
| 00:06.55 | crypted | so i dont know if its supported...and sales ain't wanting to say |
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| 00:07.20 | Arrowmaster | oh, last i looked you couldnt get google voice on free google apps and that would be the major deal breaker for me |
| 00:07.40 | crypted | eh im a skype hoe |
| 00:07.47 | crypted | but its been around longer so thats where most of my people are |
| 00:07.53 | crypted | not really program dependent |
| 00:08.06 | Arrowmaster | google voice and skype arent really comparable |
| 00:08.16 | crypted | yeah i know |
| 00:08.31 | crypted | just sayin for voice chattin and webcams, my women use the skype |
| 00:08.54 | crypted | Arrowmaster: if i do one domain on the free side, will i be able todo other domains? |
| 00:09.01 | crypted | might play w/ it using a pointless domain first |
| 00:09.47 | Arrowmaster | ive got two domains on the free plan, they probably have some hidden limit though on number of free plans you can have |
| 00:11.20 | crypted | well i shall randomly choose a domain and find out more!!! |
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| 00:11.38 | crypted | time to hop on godaddy and review my optins |
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| 00:19.46 | crypted | Arrowmaster: im "Blackberry and Microsoft Outlook interoperability" in case that was an issue you had as well |
| 00:19.54 | crypted | so no outlook love w/o $ |
| 00:19.59 | crypted | still worth it i think |
| 00:20.03 | crypted | only $50 |
| 00:20.08 | crypted | will make it feasible w/ work crap |
| 00:20.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | people who use outlook pay more than just money... |
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| 00:21.32 | cusco | why are we talking outlook, blackberry and android on #debian ? |
| 00:21.33 | cusco | :| |
| 00:21.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | masochism? |
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| 00:22.19 | cusco | and I am fine with any imap interoperability :p |
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| 00:40.15 | sedeki | i'm running linux mint right now (ubuntu based). is there anyway to "convert" to debian? |
| 00:40.30 | cusco | install debian |
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| 00:48.34 | jordanm | sedeki: you could perhaps switch to debian testing mirrors directly and run an aptitude command to remove all packages which don't exist in that repository |
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| 00:49.01 | jordanm | sedeki: if you are running the debian edition of linux mint, its probably possible to "convert" to debian, but not the ubuntu version |
| 00:49.49 | sedeki | jordanm: what do you think about the "debootstrap" tool? |
| 00:50.21 | sedeki | jordanm: i can debootstrap a debian system into a directory but i want to make it root (/) later -- i want to use it primarily |
| 00:50.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | so? |
| 00:50.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | put it on its own partition |
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| 00:52.07 | sedeki | i only have one partition as of now |
| 00:52.30 | sedeki | (apart from swap) |
| 00:54.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's stuff like gparted... and I hope you have backups |
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| 00:54.43 | sedeki | thanks |
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| 00:56.15 | sedeki | not safe? |
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| 00:57.49 | bint | dutr<¨ |
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| 00:58.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's safe? |
| 00:59.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think you should have a power failure while shrinking an FS or similar, however carefully it's done |
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| 00:59.55 | sedeki | okay. |
| 01:00.22 | Bushmills | sedeki: you can create an empty file, make a file system of it, and loop mount it. |
| 01:00.28 | sedeki | by the way, i'm inside my chroot jail now. very cool. how is it that i can have network access from it? |
| 01:02.02 | Bushmills | the chroot doesn't emulate the NIC hardware - you're using the same connection as outside the chroot |
| 01:03.01 | sedeki | right |
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| 01:03.57 | Bushmills | for a chroot environment on steroids, look at vserver. debian has kernels, precompiled with support for it |
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| 01:10.03 | nevyn | what's the "rightway" to do a custom alsa these days? is it still modules-assistant? |
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| 01:41.29 | razieliyo | hi |
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| 01:43.43 | nevyn | quick question... |
| 01:43.59 | nevyn | Upstream Authors: is the -dev list for the upstream project appropriate? |
| 01:44.12 | nevyn | or does it need to be individual humans? |
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| 01:46.19 | stew | nevyn: in what context? |
| 01:46.42 | nevyn | debian/rules for a source package. |
| 01:47.18 | stew | nevyn: listing the upstream authors doesn't matter, its the copyright holders and licenses that matter |
| 01:47.22 | stew | and where you downloaded it from |
| 01:47.40 | nevyn | thanks |
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| 02:28.14 | WebDawg | wait |
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| 02:45.08 | bitreader | Debian is a great programming language and I highly recommend it to anyone planning on building highly scalable web-based applications. |
| 02:45.13 | bitreader | Cheers! |
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| 06:12.54 | Sary | Guys, anyone noticed 'empathy' missing chat accounts under squeeze! |
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| 06:22.02 | pengwyn | I'm in an out, but I got to say, I finally got my raq 4i to run debian, and it's way cool. I know all the bh's are watching, so just know I won't be exposing anything important. but damn it's pop the cork time, it might not be perfect, it ain't tuned, but she lives! Muahahahaha peace everyone I hope your 2011 goes as good as mine has! |
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| 06:27.24 | xk | raq? that ancient former cobalt hardware? :) |
| 06:28.47 | Canar | lol wtf |
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| 06:58.58 | Sary | Which Debian-mailing list bugs should be reported to? |
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| 07:00.00 | nevyn | Sary: use reportbug. |
| 07:00.14 | nevyn | Sary: it sends them to the BTS where they're triaged. |
| 07:01.04 | Sary | nevyn, Alright , well do .. thanks. |
| 07:01.39 | nevyn | reportbug can also save a BTS formated email and give you directions where to send it. |
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| 07:02.38 | Sary | Nice. |
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| 08:17.28 | streuner_ | dpkg, ly |
| 08:17.28 | dpkg | somebody said ly was Libya |
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| 08:42.22 | pengwyn | Don't make me fight you |
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| 08:43.32 | pengwyn | I found out "cobalt raq 4i" and it's straight up popp-in champaign. |
| 08:44.03 | pengwyn | 24 w FSCK GREN0r 750w 3D0r |
| 08:44.48 | pengwyn | pan hell |
| 08:44.55 | pengwyn | lol |
| 08:44.59 | pengwyn | But wait |
| 08:45.10 | pengwyn | figure out your situation |
| 08:45.34 | pengwyn | ~woof~ |
| 08:46.34 | pengwyn | the darkness sux cause we oozzzz |
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| 08:47.25 | pengwyn | I won't cross ya with ~meow~ cause that needs balance |
| 08:47.41 | pengwyn | ahhhhhhhhhh . . |
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| 08:48.57 | pengwyn | Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa .... ...... ./.. /..,., ., /... |
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| 08:49.11 | pengwyn | dust in the wind |
| 08:49.18 | pengwyn | all we are is dust |
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| 08:49.45 | pengwyn | dust in the wind |
| 08:50.27 | delby | hi. i have a shell script that i think was executed by mistake. is there a way to check when was it last executed and by which user? |
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| 08:54.35 | cahoot | farfetched guess - look at its atime? |
| 08:55.06 | cahoot | I think stat will show it |
| 08:57.42 | delby | cahoot: thanks |
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| 09:12.48 | boudiccas | i've just installed lenny 5.07 and am now looking for repoes with more uptodate software, can nayone advise please? |
| 09:13.08 | cahoot | !stable |
| 09:13.08 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Lenny (5.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
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| 09:14.14 | boudiccas | !releases |
| 09:14.14 | dpkg | See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 09:15.22 | boudiccas | cahoot, was that stable comment for me? |
| 09:15.31 | cahoot | yes |
| 09:15.36 | bocaneri | Frankly, if you want bleeding edge software, you don't want debian. |
| 09:15.58 | cahoot | not released debian anyway |
| 09:16.36 | bocaneri | I stick with debian stable for a reason. |
| 09:16.45 | boudiccas | i dont want bleeding edge software, but i do want more upotodate software. debian has kmymoney at 0.8, centos has it at 1.0 |
| 09:17.08 | bocaneri | Bully for centos. |
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| 09:17.26 | cahoot | boudiccas: since squeeze will be released soon you might check the version there |
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| 09:17.35 | bocaneri | How soon, is there any word? |
| 09:17.40 | cahoot | ,versions kmymoney |
| 09:17.41 | judd | Package kmymoney on i386 -- sid: 3.98.1-2; squeeze: 3.98.1-2; experimental: 4.5-2 |
| 09:18.03 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:18.05 | cahoot | c |
| 09:18.35 | bocaneri | Oh, boy. Looks like an installfest weekend is coming up Real Soon Now. |
| 09:19.07 | bocaneri | Here's another reason I like debian: I only do this once every couple of years or so :D |
| 09:19.52 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:20.17 | bocaneri | I never upgrade in-place; always a clean install. |
| 09:20.53 | Bushmills | squeeze ain't stable |
| 09:21.09 | Bushmills | squeeze is testing |
| 09:21.14 | bocaneri | If it's going to be released in Feb, it'll be "stable", no? |
| 09:21.39 | Bushmills | if it's going to be released, it will be stable. |
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| 09:22.24 | Bushmills | what's wrong with upgrading to new stable? |
| 09:22.53 | bocaneri | When it's released, it'll be what I call "debian stable", ergo, not one damn thing. |
| 09:23.22 | bocaneri | I installed lenny just a few days *before* it was released, actually, and have had zero grief with it. |
| 09:23.51 | dutchfish | asks himself why fixating to labales tends to be more important then the content within a context... |
| 09:24.06 | dutchfish | s/labales/labels |
| 09:24.21 | Bushmills | bug count in testing should be lower now than in stable |
| 09:24.49 | dutchfish | 6 RC 36 total atm |
| 09:27.58 | ov3rmind | hhhiii :)) |
| 09:29.03 | bocaneri | I wouldn't have thought bug count in stable would be very high... |
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| 09:30.15 | dutchfish | also, if your used packages are not in http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/testing.html and your box is not a production server, testing might be a good idee. |
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| 09:34.34 | dutchfish | adn this might be a list why you don't want stable if you use one of those: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/stable.html |
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| 09:45.51 | pengwyn | don't ever do that again |
| 09:46.17 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Where's the rsyslog/s logrotate script for /var/log/syslog file? I want it to be rotated weekly instead of daily |
| 09:47.17 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:47.40 | dutchfish | in /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog |
| 09:49.06 | hid3 | unfortunately there are no entries in logrotate.conf, neither there exists an rsyslog file in that directory |
| 09:49.14 | hid3 | I've double checed that before asking |
| 09:49.21 | hid3 | I'm running Squeeze BTW |
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| 09:49.54 | dutchfish | hid3: it should, do apt-file search "/etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog" |
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| 09:54.24 | dutchfish | hid3: and it should contain this: http://pastebin.com/zG3fQ2R5 |
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| 09:57.54 | hid3 | Thanks dutchfish! |
| 09:58.06 | dutchfish | yw |
| 09:58.14 | hid3 | I've adjusted it according my needs |
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| 10:00.16 | tjack | I need some advise against spam. I seem to receive mails like Newsletter which don't look bogus, but are clearly spam. I never applied for these newsletters. Now my mailserver uses postfix + postgrey + spamassassin, additionally postfix searches |
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| 10:00.38 | tjack | spamhaus (anti-spam list). Any ideas how to get rid of this spam? |
| 10:01.54 | dutchfish | tjack: http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/WritingRules |
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| 10:04.01 | dutchfish | tjack: also check of rbl list are working properly |
| 10:04.06 | tjack | dutchfish: Thanks, I already know this page. But it is really hard to find a pattern in this mails... |
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| 10:04.33 | tjack | dutchfish: I checked that out, these people are not on rbl... |
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| 10:05.11 | dutchfish | tjack: it is not easy, but bays rules are then prolly your next bet http://spamassassin.apache.org/full/3.0.x/dist/doc/sa-learn.html |
| 10:05.51 | tjack | dutchfish: I am already training with Bayes, but I got still no results. :( |
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| 10:06.41 | tjack | These people cloak as newsletter corp. and send their mails "legeally". They even use real mail servers, but different ones. |
| 10:07.17 | dutchfish | tjack: i am overasked then, maybe you have more luck on the #sa channel on how to trigger them, one more thing might be to have originating checks for the domains it sclaiming to come from. |
| 10:07.59 | tjack | Yes, checked the domains also, but it is very hard to track... |
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| 10:08.05 | dutchfish | tjack: that alone is incorporated within postfix itself |
| 10:08.28 | tjack | well, thx anyway |
| 10:08.58 | dutchfish | tjack: sorry for not having an exact answer ... but gl |
| 10:09.29 | tjack | no problem, just searching for ideas how to nail it :) |
| 10:10.18 | dutchfish | tjack: on emore q, do you receive more then 1 of the exact same within 5 minutes? |
| 10:10.34 | tjack | no, just 2 mails per day |
| 10:10.50 | dutchfish | tjack: from dif ip's? |
| 10:11.03 | tjack | yes, I can show you if you want |
| 10:11.18 | dutchfish | nah no need, this is a tough cookie to nail |
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| 10:11.43 | tjack | you tell me! :) |
| 10:12.07 | dutchfish | but my best bet is by tewaking sa-learn (bays) but thats alomst a black art and better be ask in the sa fora. |
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| 10:12.44 | tjack | mhm, I think SA is the best approach yet. because they will never land on any rbl |
| 10:12.54 | dutchfish | yep |
| 10:12.56 | tjack | they send not that much uncontrolled mails |
| 10:13.21 | tjack | by any chance, you don't know the SA irc channel? |
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| 10:13.54 | dutchfish | tjack: http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/IRC |
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| 10:14.18 | tjack | :D thank you |
| 10:14.22 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 10:21.15 | kerozene | apticron.conf: if I don't explicitly set $SYSTEM, can I still use it in $CUSTOM_SUBJECT ? |
| 10:22.34 | magnus_ | when will /tmp be purged on my system? |
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| 10:29.43 | tjack | dutchfish: I decided to install sa from backports and pyzor+razor2 and will see if this helps in any way |
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| 10:33.58 | dutchfish | tjack: ah nice, lets hope it solves some |
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| 10:35.48 | tjack | yupp :) |
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| 10:47.29 | Agiofws | can ANYONE tell me whats wrong with my wifi connection ? any hints would be appreciated... http://codepad.org/y1STtOBt thankyou |
| 10:48.54 | simonrvn | Agiofws: reception bad? |
| 10:49.03 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
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| 10:49.35 | Agiofws | simonrvn, using ANOther modem the problem Goes away ... so its an Antenna problem ? |
| 10:49.51 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 10:50.06 | Agiofws | esoteric antenna problem ? of the wifi access point ? |
| 10:50.08 | simonrvn | just my guess, seems to conk out soon affter it connects |
| 10:50.25 | simonrvn | interference or some other thing |
| 10:50.27 | Agiofws | s/w of thr modem router ? |
| 10:50.54 | simonrvn | i don't know. those messages aren't very explicit. |
| 10:51.08 | simonrvn | and i don't do wireless |
| 10:51.26 | dutchfish | magnus, only on reboot but you might want to delve into http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=tmpreaper |
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| 10:54.43 | dutchfish | magnus, but any respectable package should clean up its own mess in /tmp ... |
| 10:55.07 | simonrvn | alas, not many do |
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| 11:15.24 | Quota | Hi, how to check whether is IO wait problem or CPU problem ? |
| 11:15.37 | Quota | My server had slow down recently. |
| 11:19.19 | bolt | Quota: iotop is helpful |
| 11:19.27 | bolt | Quota: also, watch the "wa" field in normal top |
| 11:20.16 | bolt | Quota: and the load, for cpu troubles |
| 11:21.36 | xk | "dstat" |
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| 11:22.54 | Quota | bolt: what do u mean "wa" field ? |
| 11:23.22 | xk | there's a "xx.x%wa" |
| 11:23.25 | bolt | Quota: run "top", look for "wa". it's in the header |
| 11:23.27 | xk | that refers to io wait percentage. |
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| 11:24.13 | Quota | i'm getting 40.1%wa |
| 11:24.21 | xk | is the server doing anything? |
| 11:24.44 | Quota | yep, my client are downloading their files |
| 11:25.20 | xk | at what speed? |
| 11:25.21 | Quota | which 1 should be my problem? |
| 11:25.34 | Quota | currently in 6MB/s out 7MB/s |
| 11:25.43 | xk | reading or writing? |
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| 11:26.11 | Quota | 11697.60 rsec/s 31081.60 wsec/s |
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| 11:26.47 | xk | where's that from? |
| 11:26.53 | Quota | iostat |
| 11:27.38 | xk | so 15MB/sec write. |
| 11:27.56 | xk | well... reading+writing is always going to show a high IO wait time. |
| 11:27.56 | Quota | CPU load averages: 3.11 (1 mins) , 1.86 (5 mins) , 1.81 (15 mins) <= taken from webmin |
| 11:28.07 | xk | new server? old server? sata? ide? |
| 11:28.18 | Quota | pentium e6500 , 2TB sata |
| 11:28.22 | bolt | how many cpu's? |
| 11:28.27 | xk | ext3? |
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| 11:28.31 | Quota | ext3 |
| 11:28.34 | Quota | 2 cpu's |
| 11:28.34 | xk | just 1 drive? |
| 11:28.38 | Quota | yep |
| 11:28.40 | xk | ok. |
| 11:28.45 | xk | did you align the partitions properly? |
| 11:29.00 | Quota | the partition is align by the provider |
| 11:29.05 | Quota | i got no idea. |
| 11:29.12 | xk | ok |
| 11:29.15 | xk | because for >1TB drives |
| 11:29.24 | xk | you need to align the partitions (even if 1) |
| 11:29.31 | xk | otherwise you will get shit performance |
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| 11:29.35 | bolt | i thought the new ones handled that in firmware |
| 11:29.42 | xk | bolt: yes, but you still need to align it. |
| 11:29.56 | Quota | how can i ask my provider align it ? |
| 11:29.58 | Quota | example? |
| 11:30.04 | xk | otherwise for each 512 sector "write", the harddrive reads/writes 4096 |
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| 11:30.20 | xk | it must first read 4096, modify 512 bytes, then write 4096 |
| 11:30.29 | Quota | http://pastebin.com/DnC1yUi3 |
| 11:30.31 | Quota | do u mean this ? |
| 11:30.48 | bolt | Quota: you can just test your IO performance with hdparm to see if the drives perform somewhat reasonably |
| 11:30.57 | bolt | there are better tools though |
| 11:30.59 | xk | hdparm wont write performance |
| 11:31.06 | xk | er, wont show |
| 11:31.08 | bolt | exactly |
| 11:31.35 | Quota | i wanna know if it's HDD or CPU slowdown the server |
| 11:31.50 | xk | it's a harddrive/partition problem |
| 11:32.10 | Quota | not related to CPU ? |
| 11:32.16 | xk | no |
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| 11:32.56 | Quota | if change from Pentium E6500 to Dual Xeon 3.06GHZ will it be a problem ? |
| 11:33.09 | xk | sure |
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| 11:33.25 | Quota | well i will upgrade my hdd to 2 x 1TB raid0 |
| 11:33.26 | xk | I have a piece of crap core duo, and the hdd performs OK. |
| 11:33.51 | Quota | so the performance will be be bad ? |
| 11:33.53 | xk | the 15K rpm drive does shit over the 5900 rpm sata drive... but i was surprised how good the 5900 rpm drive performs :) |
| 11:34.44 | xk | Quota: it will always be bad if partitions are not aligned |
| 11:34.59 | Quota | xk: how can i do tell my provider to align the partitions? |
| 11:35.14 | xk | http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-4kb-sector-disks/index.html?ca=dgr-lnxw074KB-Disksdth-LX |
| 11:35.48 | xk | most important is to use LVM. makes life much easier to add/remove paritions |
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| 11:37.13 | kerozene | how would I find out if apticron.conf is bash script? |
| 11:37.57 | Quota | xk: so it's to remain my pentium e6500 instead of Dual Xeon 3.06GHZ ? |
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| 11:39.01 | xk | it's not a CPU problem. |
| 11:39.30 | Quota | Dual Xeon 3.06GHZ can handle my current process? |
| 11:39.30 | xk | if you have two clients writing to the drive... well... don't expect crash hot performance :) |
| 11:39.53 | Quota | how about if i do raid0 ? |
| 11:40.13 | xk | yeah... until one of the hdds die. |
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| 11:40.34 | Quota | ok, Dual Xeon 3.06GHZ + 2 x 1TB raid0 can handle my process correct? |
| 11:40.41 | xk | nope. |
| 11:41.02 | xk | what do you intend to use it for? reading/writing files for 5 clients at once? |
| 11:41.04 | xk | 10 clients? |
| 11:41.08 | xk | 1 client at a time? |
| 11:41.10 | Quota | yep |
| 11:41.13 | Quota | 10clients |
| 11:41.20 | xk | 10 clients at 10MB/sec each? |
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| 11:41.32 | Quota | no |
| 11:41.38 | Quota | 10 client shares 10MB/sec |
| 11:41.42 | xk | pl |
| 11:41.43 | xk | ok |
| 11:41.54 | xk | the only problme I see is that the partition is not aligned. |
| 11:42.05 | xk | which is _required_ for 1TB and higher drives. |
| 11:42.27 | Quota | i would like to know, how can i tell my provider to align my drives ? |
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| 11:42.44 | xk | let me find a proper howto with info on how to do it |
| 11:42.48 | xk | I did it like a few months ago |
| 11:42.54 | Quota | ok |
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| 11:44.59 | matu | Hi, i would like to completely disable my keyboard (the keyboard of my laptop) in order to use my typematrix keyboard, is it possible ? |
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| 11:46.24 | cahoot | matu: maybe some trick descibed here: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide |
| 11:46.45 | matu | i usually use a qwertz keyboard but when both keyboards are detected the keymap of the typematrix keyboard gone wrong |
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| 11:46.55 | matu | thank you cahoot i am going to read this |
| 11:47.13 | cahoot | matu: there's a small entry about ignoring a device |
| 11:48.01 | matu | hum very well thank you cahoot |
| 11:50.28 | matu | it is not very convenient because i am not the one using this computer |
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| 12:02.23 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 12:07.05 | breaker19 | Hi guys! |
| 12:07.12 | grand_grunt | Hi. I'm trying to install a PC with software RAID1, using Debian Lenny first CD-ROM. I've created identical partitions on both discs, set them to "physical disc for raid", and when setting up soft raid, it says there are no raid partition available. Any idea? |
| 12:07.44 | breaker19 | Does anyone know where I can download a Debian GNU/kFreeBSD ISO? |
| 12:08.04 | breaker19 | I'd like to try it :) |
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| 12:13.16 | mmm4m5m | synaptic does install sudo/gksu as recommended package - looks wrong because installer ask "do you want to sudo or not" |
| 12:13.35 | daemonkeeper | grand_grunt: You should not partition yourself for RAID, let the installer do. RAID requires sort of a special configuration. |
| 12:14.29 | ansgar | breaker19: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 12:16.08 | grand_grunt | daemonkeeper: I tried to do it using the installer, yeah. |
| 12:16.23 | grand_grunt | Now I'm doing it manualy from console |
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| 12:18.34 | breaker19 | ansgar, thanks! :) |
| 12:18.56 | xk | Quota: http://www.formortals.com/how-to-create-4kb-aligned-partitions-in-windows-xp-and-linux/ |
| 12:18.59 | xk | Quota: is one way. |
| 12:19.10 | xk | Quota: sorry for not getting back to you earlier. was interrupted a few times with other things. |
| 12:20.15 | breaker19 | ansgar, do I have to download the 6 DVD iso? |
| 12:20.28 | AimHere | First dvd is all you need to install the base system |
| 12:20.50 | AimHere | All the stuff on the subsequent DVDs can be slurped from the net once you get that up |
| 12:21.15 | breaker19 | AimHere, alright! thanks for the info |
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| 12:22.08 | daemonkeeper | In fact the first _CD_ is enough to install the base system |
| 12:22.44 | breaker19 | I'm trying to download the first ISO using bittorrent |
| 12:23.21 | daemonkeeper | If you prefer that, that is fine |
| 12:23.29 | breaker19 | by the tracker says: request download is not authorized for use with this tracker... |
| 12:24.43 | daemonkeeper | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_rc1/kfreebsd-i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 12:24.49 | breaker19 | OK |
| 12:24.53 | daemonkeeper | resp http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_rc1/kfreebsd-amd64/iso-dvd/ |
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| 12:32.37 | grand_grunt | The main reason for popularity contest is to sort packages on CD so that the first CD's fit to the most of people, right? |
| 12:32.49 | thewanderer1 | sure |
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| 12:34.48 | daemonkeeper | ... and to find out about packages perhaps not needed anymore |
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| 12:39.25 | grand_grunt | daemonkeeper: Mh, priorities for mainteners, so. |
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| 12:42.56 | grand_grunt | Manual RAID configuration worked fine, it boots! :) |
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| 13:03.15 | smhar | I have un emergency problem, it seems that my last apt-get update got faced some problesm and now I can not properly access my squeeze laptob. I can get past grub menue but I face a lot of harddisk error reports and the system seems slow to death. after gnome login , I just get a a gey screen. I booted from fedora and a mint live cd and the harddisk is mounted and had no problem. |
| 13:03.57 | smhar | Is there a way to get into my debian installation from the live CD and update the packages properly? |
| 13:04.11 | sekon | chroot into debian partition |
| 13:04.27 | sekon | mount proc inside the chroot parition too |
| 13:04.46 | smhar | but my debian installation is scattered into several partitions |
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| 13:05.39 | sekon | mount all of them accordingly |
| 13:05.49 | sekon | first mount / into lets say /mnt |
| 13:05.52 | sekon | then for eg |
| 13:06.00 | sekon | mount /home into /mnt/home |
| 13:06.03 | sekon | etc |
| 13:07.55 | wissem | i have a touchpad problem;i can move the cursor but i cant click anywhere.my kernel is Linux debian 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 |
| 13:08.30 | bolt | smhar: i really don't think an apt-get update in squeeze these days should cause "harddisk errors" to appear |
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| 13:27.39 | stew | wissem: use synclient to change the click settings |
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| 13:30.01 | wissem | stew sorry to bother you.but synclient documentation didnt help me to figre out how to use it :/ |
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| 13:30.49 | stew | wissem: "man synaptics" for a list of things you can change |
| 13:31.22 | wissem | i know |
| 13:31.27 | stew | wissem: you might start with "synclient Clickfinger1=1" |
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| 13:32.01 | stew | wissem: and if that doesn't get anywhere, i'd look at the taptime variables |
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| 13:32.30 | rawtaz | can anyone tell me how to fix a probably faulty fstab that still references /dev/hostname/root when after a vgrename it should be /dev/vg0/root (and there might be other problems too, i dunno)? |
| 13:32.49 | rawtaz | the machine is rebooted and the current prompt is "(initramfs)", apparently busybox |
| 13:33.08 | wissem | stew clickfinger didnt work :s |
| 13:33.20 | rawtaz | im not sure how i can mount the root lv to get to fixing things |
| 13:35.09 | themill | wissem: is this a touchpad that doesn't have separate buttons? |
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| 13:36.00 | wissem | themill, yes it is |
| 13:36.07 | go^ | wissem: what's your problem with touchpad? |
| 13:36.27 | themill | !clickpad |
| 13:36.27 | dpkg | A Synaptics ClickPad is a touchpad device without physical buttons, found on newer <netbook> systems. Pressing down on the touchpad performs a left or right mouse click. See http://lists.debian.org/4CD913B8.5060107@debian.org for more information. Squeeze amd64 users: see http://people.debian.org/~tolimar/tmp/clickpad/ for a patched <synaptics> package providing device support (requested in Debian bug #597082). |
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| 13:37.50 | wissem | go^ cant perform left click but can move the cursor |
| 13:38.15 | go^ | does right click work wissem ? |
| 13:39.20 | wissem | go^ nope it dosent |
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| 13:39.48 | go^ | uhm...ok sorry wissem but I can't help you..i had problems only with right click :| |
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| 13:40.27 | wissem | :/ |
| 13:40.54 | wissem | themill, i installed the patch but it didnt fix the problem |
| 13:41.45 | themill | wissem: you need to restart X for it to pick up the new driver |
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| 13:42.26 | wissem | how N |
| 13:43.02 | go^ | what is http://people.debian.org/~tolimar/tmp/clickpad/ patch for ? |
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| 14:12.21 | rawtaz | i am doing `mount /dev/mapper/vg0-root /mnt/work` but get "mount: mounting /dev/mapper/vg0-root on /mnt/work/ failed: No such file or directory" even though i tab-completed both of those paths, so they should exist (and i manually just now created the latter one so i know it is there). does anyone know why and what i cna do about it? |
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| 14:13.52 | DelTree | rawtaz: /dev/mapper contains symlinks... so /dev/mapper/vg0-root probably points to something that does not exist... |
| 14:14.04 | rawtaz | aha. lets see |
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| 14:15.33 | rawtaz | it points to ../dm-0, which is a "block special file" and exists |
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| 14:16.19 | DelTree | rawtaz: what does lvdisplay /dev/mapper/vg0-root say ? |
| 14:16.26 | rawtaz | i wonder if this error message could be caused by the kernel not knowing the filesystem type or such |
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| 14:17.28 | rawtaz | DelTree: it gives a good ol' listing with information in it. status is "available", write access is read/write. lv name is /dev/vg0/root |
| 14:18.37 | rawtaz | lvscan says all my LVs are active |
| 14:19.00 | DelTree | what fs type is it ? |
| 14:19.10 | rawtaz | what i am trying to do is mount the root LV in order to edit /etc/fstab to reflect the new name of this vg |
| 14:19.23 | rawtaz | hm, should be ext3, thats what i selected during installation of debian |
| 14:19.37 | rawtaz | so if it doesnt use anything special for the root LV then it should be ext3 :) |
| 14:20.11 | DelTree | did you try to specify -t ext3 in you mount ? |
| 14:20.13 | DelTree | +r |
| 14:20.17 | rawtaz | no, i iwll try it |
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| 14:20.48 | rawtaz | no error with that! |
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| 14:22.05 | rawtaz | DelTree: this looks good. may i ask you if after editing fstab to reflect hte new name of this vg, do you think i need to do something else like update grub data or something, in order for it to boot and work? |
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| 14:25.14 | DelTree | rawtaz: probably better... how did you boot this time ? |
| 14:25.15 | rawtaz | hm it seems like it. i changed fstab but it still looks for hte old vg name on boot :D |
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| 14:25.38 | rawtaz | DelTree: the server is booted but cant find the volume group its set to find, so it drops into the busybox shell :) |
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| 14:45.36 | soulslayer | hello all i have an issue with my nvidia driver i innstall it via the module assistant but after reboot my monitor recive no signal |
| 14:45.54 | soulslayer | i try some xorg.conf configuration's and reinstalling the driver without any luck |
| 14:46.03 | soulslayer | can somoene give a hand here |
| 14:46.13 | soulslayer | i use debian squeeze amd64 kernel |
| 14:47.56 | kaluva | soulslayer: I can't help you with that, but you should give more info (what card, error message, maybe xorg.conf). Put large amounts (more than 3 lines) of text on pastebin |
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| 14:48.24 | soulslayer | ok just a second |
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| 14:49.06 | karlpinc | soulslayer: Did you try with the in-kernel driver? |
| 14:49.38 | soulslayer | oh yes with them was fine but no 3d acceleration |
| 14:49.51 | soulslayer | and there was the flickering effect from the low frequency refreshing |
| 14:50.31 | soulslayer | i will pastebin xorg cong and lspci | grep nViidia |
| 14:50.38 | soulslayer | do you need something else ? |
| 14:50.39 | karlpinc | soulslayer: CRT or lcd? |
| 14:50.43 | soulslayer | lcd |
| 14:50.46 | soulslayer | benq 24`` |
| 14:50.56 | karlpinc | soulslayer: Dunno. I guess I've no good suggestions. |
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| 14:51.45 | soulslayer | http://pastebin.com/p6FDcxnq |
| 14:51.47 | soulslayer | here it is |
| 14:52.00 | soulslayer | that's the current xorg.conf its autogenerated from nvidia-xconfig |
| 14:52.19 | babilen | soulslayer: check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 14:54.17 | soulslayer | there was no EE status messages |
| 14:54.24 | soulslayer | i dont find nothing unusual |
| 14:54.36 | soulslayer | do you want pastebin from iit ? |
| 14:55.11 | soulslayer | this is so akword i uuse to install thouse drivers million times before without such problem |
| 14:58.24 | soulslayer | and the problem is that i can't find usefull information about that issue in the web i read a lot of topics with the same problem but without solution |
| 14:58.45 | soulslayer | i tried to task in nvidia and xorg channels here but ... no luck again |
| 15:00.31 | rawtaz | DelTree: to sum it up, what needed to be done after vgrename was to edit fstab and also grub.cfg (so it tries to boot the right paths) |
| 15:00.37 | rawtaz | its fine now |
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| 15:00.45 | rawtaz | thanks a lot for your help |
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| 15:14.38 | kaluva | soulslayer: This is shooting in the dark, as I don't have nvidia, but maybe the card is enabling the wrong output? Also, I'd remove those HorizSync and VertRefresh Lines and see if that helps. They're kind of pointless anyway |
| 15:15.15 | soulslayer | kaluva, i will try that right now |
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| 15:17.39 | soulslayer | kaluva, i remove them and restart the gdm |
| 15:17.46 | soulslayer | but the monitor is still in standby |
| 15:17.55 | soulslayer | .. i will try to reboot the whole system |
| 15:18.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | how can you get flickering from a low refresh rate on an LCD |
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| 15:19.31 | soulslayer | ok CutMeOwnThroat the flickering is not the correct word |
| 15:19.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you try without an xorg.conf? |
| 15:19.51 | soulslayer | i have a horizontal lines the appear without a driver |
| 15:19.54 | soulslayer | no |
| 15:19.57 | soulslayer | but i will |
| 15:20.26 | soulslayer | same issue |
| 15:20.29 | soulslayer | wait i will reboot |
| 15:20.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | the nvidia module is loaded? does dmesg give you an error when you load it? |
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| 15:21.04 | soulslayer | no |
| 15:21.16 | soulslayer | there was no errors |
| 15:21.27 | soulslayer | just no singal at the monitor |
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| 15:21.36 | soulslayer | i will check the logs and the dmesg after that reboot |
| 15:21.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm... black screen sounds like the monitor is set to a resolution it can't display anyway... although most monitors then display some message about that |
| 15:22.20 | soulslayer | yes CutMeOwnThroat ... after i remove the xorg.conf |
| 15:22.23 | soulslayer | and reboot |
| 15:22.30 | soulslayer | now recive out of range ! message |
| 15:22.31 | soulslayer | ... |
| 15:22.36 | soulslayer | i think this is a step ahead |
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| 15:22.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-/ |
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| 15:23.08 | soulslayer | what do you sugest me now to make new xorg.conf or to try some kind of generated modeline |
| 15:23.14 | kaluva | soulslayer: Hm - maybe the rates are important after all? |
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| 15:23.39 | soulslayer | .. maybe buut when i have the xorg.conf i recive no signal message after removing it |
| 15:23.43 | soulslayer | there is out of range message |
| 15:24.24 | kaluva | soulslayer: Maybe specify a different resolution than "nvidia-auto-select" |
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| 15:25.00 | soulslayer | 800x600 for example ? just to go in gui mode and setup it from the nvidia-settings |
| 15:25.01 | soulslayer | .. ? |
| 15:25.10 | soulslayer | what is the proper sintax about that |
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| 15:25.34 | pipeline | generated modelines are a 90s thing, you should never, ever need one in 2011 |
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| 15:25.45 | pipeline | if you are considering a modeline something else is wrong, and you should tackle that other problem |
| 15:25.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | look up what resolution your monitor is supposed to be.. also did you look up those HorizSync VertRefresh values? |
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| 15:26.10 | kaluva | soulslayer No, just replace "nividia-auto-select" by "1024x768" or whatever your monitor does |
| 15:26.40 | soulslayer | it's not the best monitor but its quite new in the past i use it with quite big resolutions |
| 15:26.44 | soulslayer | let me try that |
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| 15:30.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was just going to suggest to look what xrandr -display :0 says |
| 15:30.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | but on my squeeze system that doesn't work from the terminals, depsite it being the same account |
| 15:31.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's probably to do with that dratted change with magic cookies that happened in xorg from lenny to squeeze |
| 15:31.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, he won't be logged in, so wouldn't do much good |
| 15:32.24 | soulslayer | ahh thats outrage |
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| 15:32.36 | soulslayer | now the nvidia-xconfig dont make the auto line |
| 15:32.37 | kaluva | CutMeOwnThroat: Works for me in squeeze |
| 15:32.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm? |
| 15:33.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I mean that: |
| 15:33.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | $ echo $XAUTHORITY |
| 15:33.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | /var/run/gdm3/auth-for-k-wYRIVI/database |
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| 15:33.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | and XAUTHORITY probably gets set by gdm or X instead of the default... |
| 15:34.00 | soulslayer | No protocol specified |
| 15:34.00 | soulslayer | Can't open display :0 |
| 15:34.03 | kaluva | CutMeOwnThroat: Ah, I don't use gdm, and XAUTHORITY is different |
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| 15:35.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | soulslayer, well, as you're not logged in graphically, the display would be owned by [gxk]dm anyway... hm, but your error sounds more like there's nothing on :0 for you at all |
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| 15:35.23 | iulhk | how to verify either firewall enabled or not in debian? |
| 15:35.41 | soulslayer | iulhk, iptables -L |
| 15:35.50 | soulslayer | CutMeOwnThroat, your correct |
| 15:36.21 | soulslayer | but ... i here the gdm start sound from the speekers :D |
| 15:36.35 | aidan | How can I install git from lenny backports? |
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| 15:37.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | iulhk, if you (or a program) didn't make firewall rules, there are none... see with iptables-save |
| 15:38.02 | kaluva | soulslayer: You *did* check the monitor is connect to the correct output, did you? |
| 15:38.13 | soulslayer | :D |
| 15:38.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | soulslayer, no, that's ok, that's the message I also get when I have no $HOME/.Xauthority file |
| 15:38.24 | soulslayer | yeah on rebooting i see the bios POST messages |
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| 15:38.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions git |
| 15:38.35 | judd | Package git on i386 -- etch: 4.3.20-10; lenny: 4.9.4-1; lenny-backports: 1:1.7.1-1.1~bpo50+1; sid: 1:1.7.2.3-2.2; squeeze: 1:1.7.2.3-2.2 |
| 15:38.37 | themill | aidan: the backports web page has excellent instructions. /msg dpkg bdo |
| 15:38.54 | soulslayer | uhhh |
| 15:38.59 | soulslayer | i try with Modes "1024x768_75.00" |
| 15:39.00 | soulslayer | no luck |
| 15:39.03 | kaluva | soulslayer: BIOS is unimportant here. After starting X, check all the outputs |
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| 15:39.39 | iulhk | <CutMeOwnThroat>: when giving comman iptables-save , its showing about 5 lines... |
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| 15:40.23 | iulhk | how to stop firewall in debian or ubuntu ? |
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| 15:42.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you read what the 5 lines said? |
| 15:43.12 | themill | iulhk: I think it's time for you to decide whether it's debian or ubuntu you're running and seek help in the appropriate place. |
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| 15:44.15 | iulhk | *filter :INPUT ACCEPT [9709585:8804689226] :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0] :OUTPUT ACCEPT [9343596:8607608904] COMMIT sorry i don't have understanding about these |
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| 15:45.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a mix... 27% Debian, 20% Ubuntu, 15% Mint, 10% Sidux, 28% others |
| 15:45.33 | babilen | alien! |
| 15:45.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | iulhk, this is what you see when there are no firewall rules |
| 15:45.43 | babilen | iulhk: http://paste.debian.net -- Looks as if you firewall is working, but accepts averything by default. |
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| 15:46.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | I actually have an amazing amount of firewall rules... |
| 15:46.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems they all come from plugging in a nokia phone |
| 15:46.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | (or so I think) |
| 15:47.13 | iulhk | <babilen>: http://paste.debian.net/105383/ |
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| 15:48.15 | soulslayer | grr |
| 15:48.19 | soulslayer | im so stucked |
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| 15:48.35 | soulslayer | i think to purge all the things that are connected with my video card and install them again |
| 15:48.43 | soulslayer | maybe the worst idea i guess |
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| 15:50.55 | kaluva | soulslayer: Try this: Stop gdm, log in at console, start X using startx |
| 15:52.03 | soulslayer | if i do that from ssh .... |
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| 15:52.16 | soulslayer | X will not start becouse i dont call it from the proper terminal right ? |
| 15:52.43 | kaluva | soulslayer: Unless you change permissions (don't know how to do that), yes. You *could* try as root |
| 15:53.18 | soulslayer | http://pastebin.com/X6VbjZ7W |
| 15:53.22 | soulslayer | thats all |
| 15:53.26 | soulslayer | :( nothing usefull |
| 15:54.11 | kaluva | soulslayer: That's really not a lot |
| 15:55.00 | soulslayer | yes |
| 15:55.15 | kaluva | soulslayer: But it doesn't return to the console, does it? |
| 15:55.45 | soulslayer | i start it from ssh root login |
| 15:56.03 | soulslayer | im unable to access the machine from the keyboard couse i cant see nothing |
| 15:56.12 | soulslayer | that's why i boot in single user and install openssh-server |
| 15:56.23 | soulslayer | at least to communicate with it in some way |
| 15:56.42 | kaluva | soulslayer: I mean, X doesn't crash or anything, it keeps running? |
| 15:56.58 | soulslayer | yes |
| 15:57.01 | soulslayer | it's just stay like that |
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| 15:57.31 | kaluva | Okay, now terminate it and post /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 16:00.50 | greedo | er |
| 16:00.52 | soulslayer | http://pastebin.com/kjyv3Bme |
| 16:00.54 | soulslayer | here it i |
| 16:00.55 | soulslayer | s |
| 16:01.17 | greedo | so I just zeroed out a drive |
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| 16:01.30 | greedo | is there a way to reverse that |
| 16:01.33 | kaluva | soulslayer: pastebins loaded, gotta wait a few min |
| 16:01.43 | kaluva | greedo: Like, wrote binary zero all over it? |
| 16:01.49 | go^ | Anyone has Synapse on debian ? |
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| 16:02.05 | greedo | kaluva: dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M count=1 of=/dev/sdXYZ ; sync |
| 16:02.25 | kaluva | Oh, you killed the first megabyte |
| 16:02.42 | greedo | yeah |
| 16:02.51 | greedo | is that a problem |
| 16:02.56 | greedo | it did it to /var |
| 16:02.59 | kaluva | Maybe |
| 16:03.00 | soulslayer | kaluva, i dig that from few days :D i will wait few miin :D |
| 16:03.24 | greedo | grrr |
| 16:03.25 | kaluva | greedo: First of, stop using that drive. |
| 16:03.43 | greedo | i did |
| 16:03.59 | greedo | i was trying to setup a meta-disk for drbd |
| 16:04.11 | kaluva | greedo: Second, you'll have to recover the partition table. Maybe you can do it on your own, else there's tools to help you. |
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| 16:04.24 | greedo | i used /tmp instead |
| 16:04.57 | kaluva | greedo: After that, try recovering the filesystem info. ext2 for example, stores backups of the superblock. |
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| 16:06.09 | kaluva | greedo: After that, you have to use some tool to find files that aren't linked anywhere anymore. Chances are, you also hosed some of that info. |
| 16:06.25 | kaluva | greedoe And of course, any actual file you overwrote is gone. |
| 16:06.46 | kaluva | greedo: However, it's /var. Maybe it's easier to just recreate it from scratch |
| 16:06.51 | greedo | Cannot proceed without a root inode. |
| 16:06.54 | greedo | ugh |
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| 16:07.11 | greedo | is it possible to recreate with a live system |
| 16:08.56 | kaluva | soulslayer: lines 139 to 149 - seems to me, the card *is* using the wrong output. |
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| 16:09.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | soulslayer, and with that xorg logfile you get "out of range" on the monitor or the hanging thingy? |
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| 16:09.27 | soulslayer | hanging thingy |
| 16:09.42 | sekon | CutMeOwnThroat: hello |
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| 16:10.01 | kaluva | greedo: Maybe. However, without a usable /var things might fail misteriously |
| 16:10.09 | kaluva | greedo: Better boot a rescue system |
| 16:10.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | out-of-range at least would not be surprising... it's unable to recognize/autodetect your monitor |
| 16:10.15 | greedo | ugh |
| 16:10.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | sekon, re |
| 16:10.48 | soulslayer | kaluva, |
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| 16:11.09 | soulslayer | kaluva, the other ouput is a dvi |
| 16:11.11 | soulslayer | i never use it |
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| 16:11.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | soulslayer, were the vertical/horizontal scan values from what you looked up in the monitors documentation? |
| 16:11.21 | soulslayer | ... but i will try it |
| 16:11.52 | soulslayer | CutMeOwnThroat, i lost the documentation |
| 16:12.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | soulslayer, well, look at the back what it is and google it |
| 16:12.16 | soulslayer | yep thats what i will do |
| 16:12.44 | kaluva | soulslayer, CutMeOwnThroat: To me, it's very simple. The monitor is on CRT-1, but the card is using CRT-0 as output. Don't you agree? |
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| 16:13.57 | soulslayer | OMG |
| 16:13.58 | soulslayer | :O |
| 16:14.01 | soulslayer | kaluva, |
| 16:14.03 | soulslayer | .... |
| 16:14.08 | soulslayer | OMG |
| 16:14.27 | kaluva | soulslayer: What, did the monitor blow up? |
| 16:14.34 | soulslayer | realize that he live in the darkness |
| 16:14.41 | soulslayer | hahah :D |
| 16:14.47 | soulslayer | for got sake no |
| 16:14.55 | soulslayer | the dvi output blow up |
| 16:14.55 | soulslayer | :D |
| 16:15.05 | soulslayer | but i blow it in the past :D |
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| 16:15.08 | soulslayer | but youre totaly right |
| 16:15.10 | soulslayer | that was the problem |
| 16:15.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | kaluva, duh, you might be right... but that's pretty weird, why does it do that |
| 16:15.34 | kaluva | CutMeOwnThroat: Maybe because of that blowing up he talks about |
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| 16:15.56 | kaluva | soulslayer: Had you checked that first, like I asked you, this would have been solved much uicker |
| 16:16.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I refuse responsibility for any bombs in his apartment |
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| 16:16.55 | soulslayer | yes damn it i check it |
| 16:17.01 | kaluva | CutMeOwnThroat: Really? It's always fun to tell people to set the power supply to the wrong input voltage. |
| 16:17.10 | soulslayer | maybe i had to wait a minute or something |
| 16:17.18 | kaluva | *sigh* |
| 16:17.32 | soulslayer | sorry to loose your time guys :( |
| 16:17.47 | kaluva | soulslayer: Well, now you can go ahead and tell the driver what to do |
| 16:17.58 | kaluva | soulslayer: Happen to all of us :) |
| 16:18.22 | Skapare | will the "cross-install" procedure in Appendix D.3 of the install manual work to do an install to a Linux Container (LXC) (assuming the setup of the container replaces the partitoning steps) ? |
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| 16:19.20 | soulslayer | yes thanks |
| 16:20.08 | kaluva | Bye |
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| 16:21.10 | soulslayer | doh |
| 16:21.13 | soulslayer | one last question |
| 16:21.13 | soulslayer | :D |
| 16:21.20 | soulslayer | how to change the output to the other slot |
| 16:21.21 | soulslayer | ? |
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| 16:35.47 | bolt | !nickometer D4rKr0W |
| 16:35.48 | dpkg | 'D4rKr0W' is 98.310% lame, bolt |
| 16:35.57 | xk | heh |
| 16:35.57 | D4rKr0W | lol |
| 16:36.02 | D4rKr0W | what :P |
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| 16:37.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | !nickometer D4rKr0W`afk |
| 16:37.56 | dpkg | 'D4rKr0W`afk' is 98.680% lame, cutmeownthroat |
| 16:39.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wish chromium would just discard of leading spaces in an url you paste to jump to |
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| 16:46.08 | kerozene | CutMeOwnThroat: that's odd. chrome does |
| 16:46.26 | soulslayer | ohh damn it :D that monitor looks so good |
| 16:46.29 | soulslayer | :D i think im in love |
| 16:47.43 | rgr | whats the recommended web cam GUI for gnome on Debian these days? |
| 16:47.51 | soulslayer | it worms my soul :D and my heart |
| 16:48.10 | soulslayer | milionn times thanks you guys :D |
| 16:48.22 | soulslayer | rgr, i think cheese is fine |
| 16:48.22 | rgr | if chrome does chromium should do unless the purge committee decided that was too non free ;) |
| 16:48.42 | rgr | will try it again. last time I tried it it was awful. |
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| 16:49.01 | soulslayer | wow |
| 16:49.18 | soulslayer | why you dont like it i use it periodicly to record my fish activity in the past |
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| 16:49.35 | soulslayer | but now i stup a webcamd with java assemble applet |
| 16:49.36 | soulslayer | its better |
| 16:50.22 | rgr | well - debian squeeze rc1 installed PERFECTLY on my new Asus 1015 PEM netbook. Even the GMS surf stick plugged in and "just worked". The only pain was the broadcomm which necessitated a wiki walkthrough with module-assistant. Why they cant automate that I dont know. It works brilliantly. Only issue is that it seems to gobble power twice as fast as win7. I have laptop-mode installed too. |
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| 16:51.19 | rgr | soulslayer: it has awful non standard key bindings and I cant abide that since I use a keyboard driven WM. I'll give it another go - it has probably matured a lot by now. |
| 16:51.25 | rgr | s/has/had |
| 16:52.00 | soulslayer | ho ho youre some kind of guru webcam master :D |
| 16:52.17 | soulslayer | sorry but all i need from a webcam software is record button :D |
| 16:52.23 | soulslayer | and i prefere it big and red |
| 16:52.24 | soulslayer | :D |
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| 16:53.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | kerozene, I guess it's that stupid extension that lets me paste urls anywhere into the page to go there (regular-pages-only, though) |
| 16:53.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | when you get used to that in FF, it's hard to drop it |
| 16:53.44 | go^ | in http://packages.debian.org/experimental/libglib2.0-bin i saw that the version is 2.27 but with experimental repository apt-cache show show me and older version, why? O_o |
| 16:53.55 | kerozene | sounds likely, considering in how much detail the interaction between the omnibox and the clipboard was argued over in chromium :) |
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| 16:55.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | rgr, the sandbox thing is nice, if only because it means that when the flash plugin freezes, it only freezes a couple of webpages and not all browser windows... |
| 16:55.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | and generally things are pretty well thought out |
| 16:55.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's just a couple of things that can't even be changed by an option that drove me crazy |
| 16:56.08 | kerozene | how would I find out if apticron.conf is bash script? I need to know, if I don't explicitly set $SYSTEM, can I still use it in $CUSTOM_SUBJECT ? |
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| 16:57.07 | stew | go^: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libglib2.0-bin" after running "aptitude update"? |
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| 16:58.26 | go^ | yep wait |
| 16:58.28 | go^ | !pastebin |
| 16:58.28 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 16:59.32 | go^ | stew: http://paste.debian.net/105388/ |
| 17:00.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | hey! used to be 3 lines! |
| 17:00.42 | stew | 3 will get you ridiculed, 4 will get you kicked |
| 17:00.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's inflation, that is :( everything's worth less |
| 17:00.52 | kerozene | anyone? |
| 17:01.02 | stew | go^: looks like 2.27 to me |
| 17:01.31 | go^ | me too mm |
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| 17:02.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought 4 gets you kicked and ridiculed and you get a warning Look with 3 |
| 17:02.15 | go^ | stew: i'll see it soon now i must go away :P thank you |
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| 17:04.28 | Skapare | does anyone know if the "cross-install" procedure in Appendix D.3 of the install manual will work to do an install to a Linux Container (LXC) (assuming the setup of the container replaces the partitoning steps) ? |
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| 17:07.30 | kanzure | hi all. is this still a reasonable way to make a package mirror? http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto#id443677 |
| 17:09.09 | daemonkeeper | You want a mirror or your own repository? |
| 17:09.14 | kanzure | my own repository |
| 17:09.23 | daemonkeeper | Consider using debarchiver |
| 17:09.25 | stew | dpkg: no 5.0.8 is Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.8 was released on January 22, 2011. This update corrects security problems within the <stable> release, along with adjustments for serious problems. http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2011/msg00000.html http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/ChangeLog ; To upgrade, ask me about <point release>. |
| 17:09.25 | dpkg | okay, stew |
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| 17:09.32 | kanzure | meh http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-StirrerHot-Plate/k |
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| 17:09.34 | kanzure | oops |
| 17:09.36 | kanzure | daemonkeeper: ok |
| 17:09.48 | *** topic/#debian by stew -> lenny (5.0.8) /msg dpkg 5.0.8 | squeeze release planned for 5th/6th Feb 2011 | etch no longer on mirrors: /msg dpkg etch->lenny | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | FAQ: http://bit.ly/DebFAQ | channel logs: http://bit.ly/DebFNDLog |
| 17:09.59 | rgr | is there a one liner about asus netbook Fn keys with Debian? |
| 17:10.00 | stew | topicdiff s/5.0.7/5.0.8/ |
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| 17:10.27 | kanzure | daemonkeeper: why does debarchiver use cron? |
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| 17:11.04 | daemonkeeper | kanzure: Because it will automatically deploy packages into your archive you place into its incoming directory. If you don't want this, you can run debarchiver on your own |
| 17:11.21 | stew | got a real stirrer plate for christmas so I don't have to worry about my not really working homemade one :) |
| 17:11.33 | kanzure | daemonkeeper: okay. |
| 17:12.49 | kanzure | daemonkeeper: thank you |
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| 17:19.41 | boudiccas | just updated to sqeeze and now i;ve lost my network connection on eth0, can nayone give me some clues as to how to get it back please? |
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| 17:22.06 | daemonkeeper | boudiccas: You miss the firmware perhaps. Does update-initramfs warn about missing firmwares? |
| 17:22.53 | wildc4rd | evenin all! |
| 17:23.06 | boudiccas | yes i remember seeing something about missing firmwares |
| 17:23.37 | daemonkeeper | boudiccas: Then make sure you have non-free in your sources.list and install the firmware appropriate for your device |
| 17:23.48 | boudiccas | damn, i've got to do some jiggery pokery then |
| 17:24.50 | boudiccas | daemonkeeper, sources.list is that the apt-get sources list? |
| 17:24.57 | daemonkeeper | Yes |
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| 17:25.47 | boudiccas | daemonkeeper, what should the line look like for the non-free firmware please? |
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| 17:26.15 | daemonkeeper | "deb $yourmirror squeeze main non-free contrib" |
| 17:26.17 | daemonkeeper | For example |
| 17:26.31 | boudiccas | ty |
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| 17:29.03 | boudiccas | daemonkeeper, but it wont work as i havent got a network connection to do it through! ;L( |
| 17:29.12 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: out of curiosity, were you following a guide? What was your upgrade procedure? |
| 17:29.45 | daemonkeeper | boudiccas: Right. You need to install that package by hand if you have no internet on the running system |
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| 17:30.19 | daemonkeeper | jhutchins_lt: Nothing in particular different I guess. This is just standard behaviour of squeeze, coming with a free kernel. |
| 17:30.25 | boudiccas | daemonkeeper, aptitude update, aptitude install apt dpkg aptitude, aptitude full-uograde |
| 17:30.46 | daemonkeeper | boudiccas: jhutchins_lt asked, but I think he might have seen that ;) |
| 17:31.10 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: So just working from you knowledge of lenny? |
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| 17:31.24 | boudiccas | yes, all one days worht of it |
| 17:32.08 | daemonkeeper | boudiccas: Get one of this packages (the one you need) http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware&searchon=names&suite=testing§ion=all and install it by hand |
| 17:33.10 | boudiccas | jhutchins, http://www.computerbob.com/wp/im-using-debian-squeeze-now.php |
| 17:33.25 | boudiccas | daemonkeeper, ty |
| 17:33.46 | daemonkeeper | boudiccas: And in future, before rebooting into your new system (kernel), install this image. :) |
| 17:33.52 | hemu | dpkg: paste2pastebin.pl |
| 17:33.52 | dpkg | is used to send a paste to http://pastebin.ca/ from the command line. It can create the paste with options as well, allowing for expiry and other values to be set. Download from http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install the libwww-mechanize-perl package. |
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| 17:36.31 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: It would have been a good idea to read the release notes and the Debian version of the install guide. |
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| 17:36.59 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: That probably would have meant you paid attention to the firmware message and maybe got the package before your rebooted. |
| 17:37.06 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: Did you make a backup of your lenny system? |
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| 17:37.36 | daemonkeeper | jhutchins_lt: Nonetheless this is a bit of a painful behaviour of Debian. Ideologically consequent and right, technically wrong. |
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| 17:38.30 | jhutchins_lt | daemonkeeper: Yes, I'm just trying to figure out how we can help people avoid it. |
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| 17:38.50 | jhutchins_lt | daemonkeeper: For one thing we need to tweak the lenny->squeeze factoid. |
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| 17:39.03 | boudiccas | jhutchins, no backup, its purely for me to learn with |
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| 17:39.56 | daemonkeeper | Honestly, for upgrading it is ok since you _get_ a warning and you can take care before booting into that system. It IS a pain when using official CD/netinst images (yeah I know, there are _unofficial_ netinst images including the firmware) |
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| 17:40.04 | jhutchins_lt | boudiccas: backups and restores are useful things to learn too. |
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| 18:02.26 | boudiccas | jhutchins, yes, i agree but as there is nothing that i want to keep it doesnt really matter. |
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| 18:05.06 | daemonkeeper | boudiccas: If you install Squeeze from scratch, you will run into the same problem. |
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| 18:08.13 | boudiccas | daemonkeeper, i upgraded lenny just to see what uts like |
| 18:08.32 | daemonkeeper | Now you know ;) |
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| 18:11.00 | JyZyXEL | what command can you use to get the length of a certain partition? |
| 18:11.14 | daemonkeeper | In inch? |
| 18:11.22 | JyZyXEL | in bytes |
| 18:11.29 | JyZyXEL | or multiple of bytes |
| 18:11.40 | daemonkeeper | heh, df |
| 18:11.58 | JyZyXEL | it doesn't seem to work |
| 18:12.13 | JyZyXEL | i tried df /dev/sdb1 and got: udev 10240 828 9412 9% /dev |
| 18:12.30 | daemonkeeper | Call it without arguments |
| 18:12.33 | llimypmurg | df will only tell you about the filesystem not the partition, fwiw |
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| 18:12.43 | JyZyXEL | i want the partition length not filesystem length |
| 18:12.50 | daemonkeeper | Oh, fdisk -l then |
| 18:13.02 | JyZyXEL | requires superuser |
| 18:13.04 | stew | JyZyXEL: sfdisk -l -uB |
| 18:13.13 | JyZyXEL | that requires superuser too |
| 18:13.19 | stew | yes |
| 18:13.25 | JyZyXEL | i need to get it as a normal user |
| 18:13.29 | stew | you can't |
| 18:13.34 | stew | unless you are in the disk group |
| 18:13.39 | daemonkeeper | And this is intentional |
| 18:13.56 | llimypmurg | JyZyXEL: at this point it might be easier if you told us why you were doing this rather than having us play a long-winded guessing game. |
| 18:14.18 | JyZyXEL | stew: well how about /proc/partitions? |
| 18:14.27 | JyZyXEL | anyone can read that can they not? |
| 18:14.28 | stew | JyZyXEL: oh, right |
| 18:14.31 | stew | yeah, i guess so |
| 18:14.32 | topgun21 | Has any one installes illustrator cs4 under wine ? |
| 18:14.42 | JyZyXEL | but i can't use that since it has other information too |
| 18:14.47 | JyZyXEL | i just need the plain number |
| 18:15.11 | llimypmurg | JyZyXEL: extract the number from the line. |
| 18:15.34 | JyZyXEL | already tried that and it proved to be too difficult |
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| 18:15.55 | stew | JyZyXEL: awk '{print $3 * 1024}' < /proc/partitions |
| 18:17.06 | JyZyXEL | oh |
| 18:17.11 | jhutchins_lt2 | JyZyXEL: df -h |
| 18:17.15 | JyZyXEL | i didn't know you could do that |
| 18:17.25 | stew | jhutchins_lt2: df doesn't know anything about partition sizes |
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| 18:17.39 | stew | JyZyXEL: perhaps you want something like: awk '/sda1$/{print $3 * 1024}' < /proc/partitions |
| 18:17.42 | simonrvn | topgun21: why? inkscape not good enough? |
| 18:17.54 | jhutchins_lt2 | Mine lists the partition size in the first column. |
| 18:18.00 | JyZyXEL | stew: oh i did: grep sdb1 /proc/partitions | awk '{print $3}' |
| 18:18.14 | stew | jhutchins_lt2: no, it lists filesystem size |
| 18:18.26 | jhutchins_lt2 | ... |
| 18:18.29 | stew | 13:12 < JyZyXEL> i want the partition length not filesystem length |
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| 18:20.38 | KipMacy | i want something like spideroak, but running my own server. anything like that out there? |
| 18:21.01 | topgun21 | It's waht the professhinal webdesign ers use and i anm going to b enrollingg in awedesign course at a local tecnical school |
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| 18:24.22 | peterrooney | stew: is the "<" really needed by awk? |
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| 18:25.17 | llutz | no |
| 18:26.04 | jhutchins_lt2 | topgun21: The adobe products aren't known to work well in wine. |
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| 18:26.23 | jhutchins_lt2 | topgun21: They're really one of the better arguments for buying a mac. |
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| 18:26.45 | jhutchins_lt2 | topgun21: As far as equivalents, there's gimp and that's about it. |
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| 18:29.49 | topgun21 | jhujhiti, n fortunatly i may be forcedto deal with sub par operation under linux because i really want to ditch windows and go linux full steam ahead |
| 18:30.41 | axolx | hi - im trying to force my ssh client to connect with a given key (using -i) but it still falling back to other keys when that one doesnt work. how can i force it to only try the key i provide? |
| 18:31.14 | axolx | the scenario is that im trying to debug the authorized_keys config on the remote server for different keys |
| 18:31.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt2, err... the closest equivalent to illustrator is gimp/xaralx/sketch/scencil and co, not gimp |
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| 18:32.23 | jordanm | axolx: you can use -vv to see which key is being used, may solve your debugging issues |
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| 18:32.49 | axolx | jordanm: thx. i identified that but still dont know how to prevent that key from being used |
| 18:32.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems he already did that and sees that it fails |
| 18:33.00 | axolx | jordanm: other than brute force :-P |
| 18:33.08 | jordanm | chmod 0 it would work :) |
| 18:33.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | axolx, you can delete it... but I don't see what that's good for |
| 18:33.39 | axolx | i guess ill do brute force. i thought ssh would allow you to force using a given key |
| 18:33.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | how the heck do I get rid of a sshfs drive that can't be reached but is allegedly busy |
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| 18:33.58 | axolx | thanks for the help |
| 18:34.22 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: check lsof of open files on the location |
| 18:34.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, that also gets stuck on the hung mount |
| 18:34.43 | jordanm | perhaps your current shell |
| 18:35.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, guess I could just close all shells |
| 18:35.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | fuser -m also gets stuck |
| 18:35.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | and {umount,fusermount -u} claim it's busy |
| 18:35.49 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: shutdown -r now |
| 18:35.58 | jordanm | :P |
| 18:36.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | has left #debian |
| 18:37.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | well ... no shells open either only chromium and some other stuff |
| 18:38.17 | axolx | this is insane. i moved all my ssh keys to a different directoy and ssh -v still says its using a key in the orig dir and connects, even though there's no keys in ~/.ssh |
| 18:38.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, hm, umount -l worked |
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| 18:39.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | I usually don't like to use that (which is why I didn't think of it)... but in this case I can't see any harm |
| 18:40.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | axolx, a miracle! \o/ |
| 18:40.19 | axolx | CutMeOwnThroat hehe. caching? |
| 18:40.22 | axolx | im seriously at a loss |
| 18:40.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | apply to FBI or chinese government... instant-login everywhere |
| 18:40.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | or was that CIA? |
| 18:41.12 | axolx | my os must have ssh-agent running automatically |
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| 18:42.09 | rawtaz | how the heck does this add up, the total space - used space is way more than what this says is available: /dev/mapper/vg0-home 214G 557M 203G 1% /home |
| 18:43.25 | jordanm | rawtaz: you probably deleted a file and something still has it open |
| 18:43.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it's extX, there's also reserved space... |
| 18:43.55 | rawtaz | im pretty sure i havent :/ the server has just been up for a little while and i havent deleted anything :) |
| 18:43.59 | rawtaz | its ext3 |
| 18:44.03 | rawtaz | maybe thats it. 5% right? |
| 18:44.41 | rawtaz | yeah that would add up. 5% is 10GB |
| 18:45.45 | DelTree | dunno what's the exact status of the journal file of ext3... |
| 18:45.49 | topgun21 | How easyis inkscape to learn as in aposed to dreaweaver |
| 18:46.03 | DelTree | I've gone used to this miscount... ^_^ |
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| 18:46.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | topgun21, that's a weird question, they're totally different things |
| 18:46.38 | rawtaz | i second that. inkscape is like illustrator, its not a make webpages program |
| 18:47.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's like "How easy is inkscape to learn as in aposed to driving a car" |
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| 18:49.00 | topgun21 | CutMeOwnThroat,ineed i\a compatible foss alternative for illustrator |
| 18:49.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | I found it a lot easier than illustrator, which I admittedly only tried a short time |
| 18:50.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it's not as overloaded with functionality as illustrator... I dunno... lots of strange signs in illustrator doing... _something_ |
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| 18:50.09 | rawtaz | from the little ive heard, inkscape seems to be "THE" alternative to illustrator |
| 18:50.12 | kerozene | if there were a truly compatible alternative, adobe would not exist |
| 18:51.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | topgun21, of course, that means it's simpler than illustrator, so probably can't do everything it can do... and learning to use inkscape to the full level also takes time, but the learning curve is not as steep as with illustrator, so it's easier to do simple things there |
| 18:51.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, they got a lot of things "just right(TM)", i.e. they happen in an intuitive and useful way |
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| 18:56.12 | _wkmanire | Hello, what does the d stand for in this permission string? drwxrwxrwx |
| 18:56.21 | jordanm | directory |
| 18:56.29 | _wkmanire | jordanm: Thanks |
| 18:56.58 | jordanm | np |
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| 19:00.26 | thewanderer1 | anyone else getting NFS kernel server breakage on 2.6.37? |
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| 19:00.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | no nfs here |
| 19:01.22 | _wkmanire | jordanm: I've set a directory with the following permissions, rwxrwx---, I've set the group and added my user account to the group. Why can't I cd into the directory? |
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| 19:01.46 | jordanm | _wkmanire: you need to relog for the new group to take effect |
| 19:01.56 | _wkmanire | jordanm: Thanks, I'll try that. brb |
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| 19:04.33 | _wkmanire | Jordanm: That worked. Thanks again! |
| 19:04.48 | _wkmanire | Jordanm: Why do I have to log out and log back in for the group setting to apply? |
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| 19:07.10 | thewanderer1 | _wkmanire: Linux assigns user and group IDs to every process at the time of running, and you would need to be root to change those - the login process runs as root |
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| 19:07.32 | _wkmanire | thewanderer1: Ah ok, now I understand. |
| 19:08.09 | thewanderer1 | you can use command `newgrp` to change into a new grp, too, but it only spawns a subshell |
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| 19:08.33 | wkmanire | thewanderer1: I think I did something similar, I su'd into my account again just to test. |
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| 19:08.55 | thewanderer1 | yes, it's much the same |
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| 19:17.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | _wk... |
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| 19:18.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | wk... viciously changed nick before leaving |
| 19:18.26 | thewanderer1 | yeah :P |
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| 19:25.06 | thewanderer1 | hey, how to see on which RHEL kernel release the Debian openvz kernel is based? |
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| 19:29.22 | Ramblurr | I sort of borked my /etc/pam.d/* |
| 19:29.30 | Ramblurr | and I can't find the package that contains the original files |
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| 19:29.43 | Ramblurr | libpam-runtime only contains pam.d/other :\ |
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| 19:30.52 | stew | Ramblurr: which files do you need? |
| 19:30.58 | Ramblurr | common-* |
| 19:31.09 | stew | Ramblurr: look in /usr/share/pam |
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| 19:31.41 | infinity0 | so, README is a common conventional filename to put important stuff for users |
| 19:31.52 | infinity0 | what would be the similar for "important stufff for devs"? |
| 19:32.02 | stew | README |
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| 19:32.23 | Ramblurr | stew: thanks |
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| 19:40.07 | JyZyXEL | i can't call a function from a function? |
| 19:40.21 | un214 | yes you can |
| 19:40.38 | JyZyXEL | in my .bashrc this is |
| 19:40.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | what? |
| 19:41.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, call |
| 19:41.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | read "tell" |
| 19:41.44 | stew | JyZyXEL: show us |
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| 19:42.22 | JyZyXEL | stew: it's ok, the function just needed to be on top of the code that called the function |
| 19:42.39 | thewanderer1 | heh, too much PHP :P |
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| 19:44.55 | infinity0 | JyZyXEL: iirc in bash, you need to declare local variables explicitly |
| 19:45.09 | infinity0 | if you just do VAR=value, that sets it in the global scope |
| 19:45.18 | infinity0 | inside functions, i mean |
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| 19:47.18 | wissem | hello |
| 19:47.41 | wissem | how to install bootsplash on a debian squeeze ? |
| 19:48.28 | thewanderer1 | wissem: apt-get install plymouth plymouth-themes |
| 19:48.42 | thewanderer1 | bootsplash is not very well supported... |
| 19:49.10 | wissem | thewanderer1, why? |
| 19:49.19 | thewanderer1 | because it messes with the kernel |
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| 19:49.49 | wissem | hmm |
| 19:50.04 | wissem | i ll leave it then, i dont need it anyway |
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| 19:50.14 | Some_Person | What's wrong with using plymouth? |
| 19:50.20 | Some_Person | is using it on squeeze |
| 19:50.57 | thewanderer1 | I'm using it as well and enjoying Space Fun :) |
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| 19:51.29 | Some_Person | thewanderer1: How does it "mess with the kernel"? |
| 19:52.19 | thewanderer1 | Some_Person: http://www.bootsplash.org/ |
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| 19:53.34 | Some_Person | Ah, wasn't aware there was anything like that. My first experience with Linux involved usplash, not bootsplash |
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| 19:54.38 | fairway | hi |
| 19:54.40 | Some_Person | That would mean plymouth is safe :-) |
| 19:54.43 | wissem | thewanderer1, so is it safe to use it ? |
| 19:54.45 | fairway | is debian 6 frozen? |
| 19:54.54 | stew | fairway: yes, since august |
| 19:55.13 | Some_Person | fairway: squeeze is at rc1 now |
| 19:55.23 | stew | Some_Person: the installer is, you mean |
| 19:55.33 | fairway | where can I find the ISO for squeeze rc1? |
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| 19:55.48 | rawtaz | gebian.org would be a good start |
| 19:55.48 | fairway | is openbox good? |
| 19:55.51 | fairway | ok |
| 19:55.52 | stew | fairway: http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 19:55.55 | rawtaz | err, debian.org :) |
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| 19:55.55 | Some_Person | stew: I suppose that's what I mean. I'm not too familiar with debian's development cycle |
| 19:56.02 | infinity0 | *lesbian.org |
| 19:56.04 | thewanderer1 | wissem: you can't get a kernel supported by bootsplash anyway |
| 19:56.05 | fairway | i used fluxbox before |
| 19:56.12 | fairway | I want to know if I should give openbox a try |
| 19:56.53 | thewanderer1 | fairway: yes, Openbox is nice... but a bit frugal in the default config. you should try LXDE though, it's a desktop environment based on a nicely themed Openbox. |
| 19:57.33 | stew | Some_Person: well, squeeze is changed every day, so saying all of squeeze is a release candidate doesn't really make sense. the installer does get this kind of numbering though |
| 19:57.47 | wissem | well i ll go for it then :) |
| 19:58.11 | fairway | I installed openbox, but gdm still starts gnome |
| 19:58.15 | rawtaz | im using debian for hte first time and settled for squeeze :) |
| 19:58.31 | rawtaz | cant imagine going with a two year old release |
| 19:58.33 | Some_Person | Same here. I switched from ubuntu 2 days ago |
| 19:58.43 | rawtaz | when theres a new one a couple weeks in the future :D |
| 19:58.48 | rawtaz | Some_Person: may i ask why? |
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| 19:59.50 | Some_Person | rawtaz: instability on my hardware, an increased bloatedness (is that a word?) in the past couple of years, and disagreements over various decisions |
| 20:00.03 | un214 | Isn't squeeze the next stable? |
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| 20:00.05 | rawtaz | i see |
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| 20:00.09 | wissem | thewanderer1, sorry to bother you again.but how i should install it using this way http://bstheme.sourceforge.net/ or getting these pakages plymouth plymouth-themes |
| 20:00.10 | wissem | ? |
| 20:00.11 | rawtaz | un214: yes it is. in a few weeks |
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| 20:00.29 | FrankLv | Hi, I found i install a debian 3.1 instance, from a old cd from a book i read before. |
| 20:00.39 | Some_Person | ubuntu lucid and maverick would randomly crash very often on my laptop, and nobody seems to be able to figure out why |
| 20:00.46 | pzn | Hi. Just bought a new computer and I'm installing debian. I need to use 4 screens. Motherboard is asus with VGA+DVI output + 1 offboard nvidia with VGA+DVI. when I plug the offboard, it disables the onboard... how to keep both (onboard and offboard) video cards enabled? |
| 20:00.51 | Some_Person | debian seems to run without issues |
| 20:01.02 | rawtaz | thats great news Some_Person |
| 20:01.03 | thewanderer1 | wissem: these are bootsplash themes, they will not work with plymouth as they are |
| 20:01.07 | un214 | I came to the conclusion ubuntu was trying to build too like windows when I left |
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| 20:01.45 | wissem | i see thanks thewanderer1 :) |
| 20:01.49 | FrankLv | I add http://archive.debian.org/debian to source.list to install ssh server. Now can i upgrade to last version? |
| 20:01.50 | thewanderer1 | pzn: are you sure that such operation is possible with your current hardware? |
| 20:02.05 | stew | FrankLv: what version are you running now? etch? |
| 20:02.19 | FrankLv | stew: sarge 3.1 |
| 20:02.57 | stew | FrankLv: first upgrade to etch, then to lenny ; /msg dpkg sarge->etch ; /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 20:03.23 | pzn | thewanderer1, not sure, but MB manual does not say anything about it... MB manual is ugly :-) Asus MA489GTDpro |
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| 20:04.03 | thewanderer1 | pzn: your BIOS automatically disables a non-primary graphics card - you should however be able to enable it in Linux, using xrandr or something |
| 20:04.24 | FrankLv | stew: thanks |
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| 20:04.42 | thewanderer1 | pzn: keep in mind though that it is not possible to use nvidia+ati proprietary drivers at the same time, and it gets even worse with multi-screen proprietary setups... |
| 20:05.47 | Sicelo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.38 | rawtaz | how can i tell if a filesystem has journaling enabled? |
| 20:07.02 | pzn | thewanderer1, if I don't need too much video performance, so I won't need to install the proprietary drivers, is this right? |
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| 20:07.37 | thewanderer1 | pzn: well, it gives you a better chance of success. try xrandr to activate more displays. |
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| 20:07.55 | pzn | thewanderer1, ok, thanks! |
| 20:08.00 | thewanderer1 | rawtaz: if you mount it, a dmesg message will tell you |
| 20:08.55 | rawtaz | aha hm ok |
| 20:09.03 | rawtaz | but for a mounted one? |
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| 20:10.37 | thewanderer1 | hmm, grep the dmesg? :D |
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| 20:11.22 | rawtaz | nothing for grep usr |
| 20:11.24 | rawtaz | oh well |
| 20:11.26 | thewanderer1 | hey, I want to migrate a VG over a network (will have SSH running) - how? |
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| 20:11.28 | rawtaz | no biggie |
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| 20:12.45 | cahoot | rawtaz: dumpe2fs? |
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| 20:13.04 | tharkun | Gentlemen if i wanted to test an httpd server, what would i need to script in order to achieve an objective parameter? |
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| 20:13.56 | thewanderer1 | tharkun: perhaps you want this: http://www.hpl.hp.com/research/linux/httperf/ |
| 20:14.04 | jmarsden | tharkun: Read all the docs for ab which is the Apache benchmarking tool. |
| 20:14.04 | rawtaz | that was useful cahoot, thanks |
| 20:14.11 | cahoot | np |
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| 20:14.27 | wolfric | I'm having a problem installing from netinst cd (using multi-arch installing the 32bit version). It's failing on installing base system but the cd integrity check came up fine |
| 20:14.29 | simonrvn | install apache2-utils and run ab on it |
| 20:14.31 | Ex-Opesa | How to find oldest file in every directory of Linux O/S? |
| 20:14.38 | wolfric | 5.0.7 |
| 20:14.41 | simonrvn | or xhtperf |
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| 20:16.31 | tharkun | jmarsden: well i've read most of ab and it seems it is intended to compare performace among several ways of working with apache |
| 20:16.47 | tharkun | simonrvn: researchin also that. Thx |
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| 20:19.29 | wissem | thewanderer1, i installed polymouth what next? |
| 20:20.51 | simonrvn | ab works on *httpd |
| 20:21.03 | thewanderer1 | wissem: well. read the README |
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| 20:21.49 | tharkun | will fire every other machine with ab or httperf to his webserver from different ips |
| 20:21.50 | simonrvn | Ex-Opesa: man find; or google it ;) |
| 20:22.44 | Ex-Opesa | simonrvn, Heh! Thanks. ^^ |
| 20:23.41 | simonrvn | 'find oldest files linux find' example google keywords |
| 20:24.15 | thewanderer1 | it only tells you how to find the oldest in some directory... |
| 20:24.19 | simonrvn | ignore the spam sites |
| 20:24.27 | thewanderer1 | but find also has "find all older than" |
| 20:24.36 | thewanderer1 | you can use that with a binary search and you're done :) |
| 20:24.52 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 20:26.00 | wissem | still cant figure it out |
| 20:26.17 | wissem | can anyone tells me how to configure polymouth please? |
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| 20:26.58 | simonrvn | considering i don't know what that *is*, i can't help. README< their website/page not good enough? |
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| 20:27.14 | simonrvn | er, s,<,/, |
| 20:28.30 | thewanderer1 | wissem: read /usr/share/doc/plymouth/README.Debian |
| 20:28.35 | Ex-Opesa | simonrvn: I found this via google "ls -lrt | head -2" |
| 20:28.39 | fairway | I am install debian on virtualbox on my Mac |
| 20:28.39 | fairway | heh |
| 20:28.48 | thewanderer1 | weird name |
| 20:28.54 | thewanderer1 | I'm just thewanderer... |
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| 20:29.46 | wissem | thewanderer1, there is no doc directory ! |
| 20:29.57 | Ex-Opesa | simonrvn: It shows oldest file is "selinux" in "/" I wonder if that command search all files throught "/" ^ |
| 20:30.02 | thewanderer1 | wissem: then something is seriously screwed up |
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| 20:30.08 | simonrvn | Ex-Opesa: cool. |
| 20:30.15 | simonrvn | Ex-Opesa: add -R |
| 20:30.34 | wissem | althought man plymouth works |
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| 20:31.19 | Ex-Opesa | simonrvn: You mean the command will be like this? "ls -rlrt | head -2" ? |
| 20:31.43 | Ex-Opesa | Oops! -R is already there. :D |
| 20:32.03 | simonrvn | -R, unix is case sensitive |
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| 20:32.13 | simonrvn | though -r is still supported |
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| 20:32.21 | simonrvn | (IIRC) |
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| 20:34.29 | jelly-home | -R was there first! |
| 20:34.40 | thewanderer1 | before the chicken? |
| 20:34.45 | jelly-home | yes |
| 20:34.49 | Ex-Opesa | simonrvn: If I use -R the output is "total 524392" So I guess "r" is already there. So its fine. ^^ |
| 20:34.51 | simonrvn | hm. must be confusing some other util.. |
| 20:35.02 | simonrvn | \o/ |
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| 20:35.19 | Some_Person | wissem: Having trouble with plymouth? |
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| 20:35.33 | Ex-Opesa | simonrvn: =) |
| 20:36.03 | simonrvn | plymouth is different than polymouth |
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| 20:36.24 | simonrvn | polymouth sounds like you have more than one mouth |
| 20:36.34 | wissem | Some_Person, i m looking for preview of the defaults themes in plymouth |
| 20:37.12 | simonrvn | !info plymouth |
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| 20:37.18 | simonrvn | ,info plymouth |
| 20:37.19 | judd | No record of package 'plymouth' in lenny/i386. |
| 20:37.34 | simonrvn | ,info plymouth --release squeeze |
| 20:37.36 | judd | Package plymouth (misc, optional) in squeeze/i386: Graphical Boot Animation and Logger. Version: 0.8.3-9.1; Size: 211.6k; Installed: 752k; Homepage: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Plymouth |
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| 20:38.07 | un214 | plymouth can rot for all I care |
| 20:38.07 | dpkg | plymouth: (Graphical Boot Animation and Logger), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.8.3-18 (sid), Packaged size: 123 kB, Installed size: 496 kB |
| 20:38.07 | simonrvn | oh, that's what it is |
| 20:38.20 | simonrvn | YAGBL |
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| 20:40.27 | Some_Person | wissem: Install plymouth-x11, "sudo plymouthd", "sudo plymouth --show-splash" -- that'll preview the theme you have selected |
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| 20:43.17 | ilker | unstable is daily build, isn't it? |
| 20:43.39 | stew | ilker: unstable changes 4 times a day |
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| 20:43.55 | kenon | Hi. Is there some way to match specific slots in a SATA machine with udev? I want to match ID_PATH=pci-0000:00:11.0-scsi-0:0:0:0 or ID_PATH=pci-0000:00:11.0-scsi-1:0:0:0 but after a hotswap I get values blike ID_PATH=pci-0000:00:11.0-scsi-0:b0:0:0 |
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| 20:44.09 | ilker | hmms, testing changes one time a week? |
| 20:44.26 | stew | either twice or four times a day, i don't remember |
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| 20:46.02 | stew | actually, testing can change every time unstable does, so 4 times a day |
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| 20:48.35 | Some_Person | I'm curious about unstable -- are there people who use such a quickly-changing system as their main system? |
| 20:48.54 | rdz | hi all. is there a channel about debina packaging? |
| 20:48.59 | rdz | *debian |
| 20:49.15 | rdz | Some_Person, i know some |
| 20:49.43 | Some_Person | So what happens if things break? |
| 20:50.14 | flypp | people use to try solve them |
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| 20:50.53 | Some_Person | I could see using it as like a secondary system just to test things and make sure everything is working, but as a primary system? |
| 20:50.55 | stew | Some_Person: you don't want to run it unless you know how to unbreak things |
| 20:51.08 | Some_Person | stew: Right, I was never considering running it myself |
| 20:51.24 | stew | Some_Person: on my work system i only upgrade on friday, so I have until monday to fix something if it breaks |
| 20:53.10 | kenon | I'm using mostly unstable on my laptop. It doesn't seem to break really, but I guess I wouldn't be in much of a position to complain if it did. :-) |
| 20:54.34 | kenon | Is there actually any way to pin a physical sata bay to a /dev/sd? device apart from ID_PATH? |
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| 20:56.02 | simonrvn | Some_Person: yes |
| 20:56.31 | simonrvn | if day-to-day use is what you mean by "primary system" |
| 20:57.49 | thewanderer1 | Some_Person: I was running Sid back when Etch was stable - now I resort to Testing though because I'm on a server+desktop+router+everything box :P |
| 20:57.59 | cusco | kenon: couldn't you use uuid to check whether is that the sdX you want? |
| 20:58.43 | Some_Person | thewanderer1: I've read that testing can sometimes be worse though because problematic packages that make it there from unstable can sometimes take a long time to be replaced |
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| 20:59.01 | kenon | I use this machine for cloning, though. I'd like to name by bay instead of by disk. |
| 20:59.39 | thewanderer1 | Some_Person: that's why a person running testing often keeps sid in sources.list and uses apt-pinning, sometimes installing packages from sid if immediate fixes are available |
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| 21:03.11 | Some_Person | I'm having trouble getting the squeeze installer to load on my netbook. I can get to the menu, but when I select "instalL" or "graphical install" it just does nothing, and I get a bit of corruption at the top of the screen |
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| 21:05.30 | Some_Person | iso's md5 checks out, not sure how to check the disc itself |
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| 21:06.52 | Some_Person | nevermind, got it! I selected help, then hit enter to boot, and it said I have an unsupported display mode. It asked me to select one from a list, I did, and the installer loaded |
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| 21:08.16 | Some_Person | (still, this would seem to be a bug) |
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| 21:10.30 | Some_Person | should I report it somewhere? |
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| 21:14.02 | rdz | hi all. i'm trying to package a software and i intend to use debhelper tools. my first problem is the configure and Makefile scripts are not located in the top directory but in /src. how can i tell the debhelper tools to look there instead in the top directory? |
| 21:14.33 | rdz | (please direct me to the appropriate channel, if this my question doesn't belong here) |
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| 21:15.25 | tharkun | rdz: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net would be more apropiate i think. But non the less you can wait for a better opinion |
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| 21:16.01 | rdz | tharkun, thanks |
| 21:16.12 | tharkun | np |
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| 21:18.13 | rdz | tharkun, it seems to be right channels.. packaging help is the first thing they mention in the topic |
| 21:18.35 | Cain | Running a postfix mail server with dovecot & amavis on a debian lenny (as in workaround.org's tutorial) i thought that because i don't have a correct reverse-dns that my mails end up on spam folder, now that the reverse dns is fixed to the right domain; the mails continues to end on spam folder(gmail) and even doesn't show on hotmail... what can i do to make mails coming out from the server spam-free ? |
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| 21:20.27 | jhutchins_lt2 | Cain: Unfortunately some mail hosts flag anything from a consumer IP address as spam. |
| 21:20.34 | kenon | There are websites that can check your ip against blacklists. Might be worth doing. I think robtex does it. |
| 21:21.00 | jhutchins_lt2 | Cain: You need to find out what flags are causing the mail to be flagged as spam, there might be somethiing you can do. |
| 21:21.36 | jhutchins_lt2 | Cain: There's an anti-spam header you can add, but I don't have the details handy. |
| 21:21.53 | jhutchins_lt2 | Cain: Google should have some help available. |
| 21:22.07 | thewanderer1 | Cain: get an SPF record and also remove yourself from all crap public blacklists (or "greylists"?) |
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| 21:22.12 | jhutchins_lt2 | Cain: It might simply be a matter of "mark as not spam". |
| 21:22.28 | Cain | jhutchins for gmail, i have spf=pass does'nt mean that it's not a spam ? |
| 21:22.37 | jhutchins_lt2 | thewanderer1: graylisting isn't a list. |
| 21:23.01 | jhutchins_lt2 | Cain: I don't know what you mean by spf=pass |
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| 21:24.06 | Cain | okey i'll try to add the spf record, one more thing , the reverse dns for the ip is not the same as the name of the server, it can be this the problem ? |
| 21:24.07 | jhutchins_lt | Cain: I think spf is what I was thinking of, but it requires some setup. |
| 21:24.33 | jhutchins_lt | Possibly, but I can send to gmail without rdns. |
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| 21:25.16 | Cain | thx guys i'll try the spf way to see any luck ^^ |
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| 21:27.30 | flinx | hello! |
| 21:30.02 | kenon | It looks like PATH_ID is actually filled in by /lib/udev/path_id after my rule is actually run. Would moving my rule later and replacing the script with a wrapper that removes the 'b' character be appropriate? Udev hurts my head. |
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| 21:31.51 | flinx | I've installed the Adobe flash (nonfree) plugin but Iceweasel is still prompting me to install it >.> |
| 21:32.12 | flinx | I'm not sure if this is because I'm running Squeeze, or something else that I'm forgetting to do. |
| 21:32.28 | abrotman | flinx: installed it how? |
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| 21:33.26 | flinx | sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 21:34.00 | abrotman | flinx: update-alternatives flash-mozilla.so |
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| 21:34.16 | abrotman | erm .. update-alternatives --config flash-mozilla.so |
| 21:34.31 | go^ | does anyone know Synapse ? it's a launcher for ubuntu...how can I install it on debian, please ? It's in this repository --> ppa:synapse-core/ppa |
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| 21:35.12 | flinx | abrotman, no alternatives for flash-mozilla.so |
| 21:35.16 | wissem | clicking in my touch pad was not working after upgrading to squeeze .someone on this channel told me to install a patch |
| 21:35.25 | flinx | Should I find/download it? |
| 21:35.30 | abrotman | flinx: where did you get that package from? which version of Debina is it? |
| 21:35.35 | centaurus | by the way, someone here have installed flash 10 on firefox 4 ? |
| 21:35.45 | wissem | but when i rebooted the touchpad was completly not working |
| 21:35.57 | wissem | any ideas what that might be please ? |
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| 21:38.28 | wissem | ? |
| 21:39.39 | thinksteve | IIRC xorg configuration changed in squeeze |
| 21:41.01 | jhutchins_lt | centaurus: Where did you get firefox 4? |
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| 21:41.35 | jhutchins_lt | thinksteve: Changed how? |
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| 21:43.29 | rgr | in every way - not least removal of need for xorg.conf |
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| 21:44.55 | jhutchins_lt | rgr: That was valid in lenny as well. I haven't seen a significant change (other than not needing the file). |
| 21:45.15 | jhutchins_lt | (Which was pre-squeeze as I said.) |
| 21:45.36 | rgr | well not that it even works. all my machines still need an xorg.conf. |
| 21:46.09 | rgr | oh tell a lie the last update to lenny meant my thinkpad x30 didnt need one |
| 21:46.21 | rgr | (I had to hard code it to use vesa before) |
| 21:46.40 | centaurus | anyone here get nvidia card drivers working on squeeze ? |
| 21:46.47 | rgr | yes,perfectly |
| 21:47.06 | abrotman | only uses an xorg.conf on his netbook for the synaptics junk |
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| 21:47.24 | centaurus | hum... |
| 21:47.31 | centaurus | so i need to try more times :) |
| 21:47.35 | centaurus | thanks |
| 21:47.44 | simonrvn | i use one to tweak keyboard settings, set gamma, other stuff |
| 21:47.48 | rgr | checks his new asus netbook running a freshly installed squeeze .... |
| 21:48.06 | thinksteve | centaurus: What driver are you refering to? nouveau? |
| 21:48.08 | rgr | nope. no xorg.conf. rc1 is pretty damn good. |
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| 21:48.32 | jhutchins_lt | !squeeze release notes |
| 21:48.32 | dpkg | A draft of the squeeze release notes can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes and will be periodically updated as the release notes are finalised. See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze . Also ask me about <i-g>, <install squeeze>, <firmware images>. |
| 21:48.47 | thinksteve | None on my 701 running squeeze aswell |
| 21:48.49 | wissem | http://debian.pastebin.com/DjatPVeh |
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| 21:49.12 | abrotman | there isn't supposed to be one at all .. only if you want options other than the auto-detected ones |
| 21:49.44 | BLZbubba | has anyone here built alsa-source on sid? i am following these directions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile#AltBuildMethod |
| 21:49.45 | rgr | I coudlnt get dual screen working properly without one on this machine - that said I havent tried recently. |
| 21:49.54 | BLZbubba | but ending up with this error: checking for directory with kernel headers... failed |
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| 21:50.07 | centaurus | thinksteve no, from the nvidia site, but the driver tells me to disable nouveau.. and then install but i get a panic when disable with de modprobe file made by the nvidia driver.. (after rebooting) |
| 21:50.11 | BLZbubba | but i installed the package apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 21:50.24 | thinksteve | xrandr is not working for you, rgr? |
| 21:50.41 | rgr | It used to be the case that using that installer hosed your machine. Google up the debian way. |
| 21:51.18 | rgr | thinksteve: as I said, I havent tried it in a while. It works with. I'll try again some time down the road. |
| 21:52.09 | BLZbubba | unlimited free beer & pizza for anyone who can get alsa-source built on sid |
| 21:52.19 | abrotman | m-a a-i alsa ? |
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| 21:52.45 | Asen-Ger | moc |
| 21:54.25 | thinksteve | centaurus: Make sure that kms and nouveau have been removed from the initrd |
| 21:55.07 | BLZbubba | abrotman: any pre-requisites to that, or should it just work? |
| 21:55.29 | centaurus | thanks.. |
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| 21:55.37 | BLZbubba | Build of the package alsa-source failed! |
| 21:55.46 | BLZbubba | same error: checking for directory with kernel headers... failed |
| 21:55.47 | centaurus | i'm reading about it.. :) |
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| 21:56.29 | BLZbubba | i have been trying different things all week, such as setting KBUILD_SRC, building the whole kernel source first, various symlinks, all dead ends :( |
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| 21:57.15 | BLZbubba | making a symlink to /usr/src/linux gave me this error: /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/include/adriver.h:864: error: static declaration of âjiffies_to_msecsâ follows non-static declaration |
| 21:57.19 | BLZbubba | include/linux/jiffies.h:296: note: previous declaration of âjiffies_to_msecsâ was here |
| 21:57.26 | BLZbubba | which is quite suspicious |
| 21:57.56 | thinksteve | centaurus: I don't have a debian machine with nvidia cards at my hands atm, so I all I can do is keeping my fingers crossed :) |
| 21:58.07 | thinksteve | -I |
| 21:58.33 | centaurus | lol thanks man! :) |
| 21:59.55 | thinksteve | nouveau is nuch nicer anyways :P |
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| 22:28.41 | rgr | whats the best/recommended boot up splash/theme these days to hide the usual scrolling boot lines? Someone mentioned "plymouth". Opinions? |
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| 22:30.45 | Iamred | Hi, I'm new to Ubuntu and stuff, does Debsin have wubi? |
| 22:31.56 | abrotman | Ubuntu and Debian are not the same .. which are you asking about? |
| 22:32.07 | abrotman | rgr: i think only plymouth is left? |
| 22:32.20 | DanDare | Hello, I just installed 'cacti' using aptitude and it seems everything is good. I opened the initial web interface page and now it asks for 'user' and 'password'. During installation it asked for Mysql tables password but not any cacti user password. Someone used to cacti know how to define the initial credentials ? |
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| 22:32.44 | abrotman | DanDare: did you look in /usr/share/doc/cacti* ? |
| 22:32.54 | DanDare | abrotman, not yet |
| 22:33.20 | BLZbubba | abrotman: any clue on that alsa-source build problem? |
| 22:33.53 | abrotman | check the BTS, make sure your system is up to date |
| 22:34.23 | BLZbubba | hmm, same error on squeeze |
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| 22:36.40 | Some_Person | rgr: Plymouth seems to work pretty well |
| 22:37.01 | rgr | I installed it and it did an update init but on reboot it didnt come up. |
| 22:38.00 | rgr | Some_Person: google isnt being too friendly. Can you recall how you enabled it? Oh, better check man page too ... |
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| 22:38.51 | Some_Person | rgr: http://wiki.debian.org/plymouth |
| 22:38.55 | abrotman | rgr: you have to read the docs .. |
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| 22:39.04 | rgr | and of course its there ;) plymouth-set-default-theme |
| 22:39.06 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc/plymouth/ or whatever it is .. it does tell you how |
| 22:39.09 | Some_Person | (sid instructions work with squeeze) |
| 22:39.11 | abrotman | rgr: that's not ehough .. read the docs |
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| 22:42.02 | kannan1222 | hey guys i just installed debian |
| 22:42.07 | kannan1222 | my internet is not working |
| 22:42.12 | kannan1222 | can some one help me out |
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| 22:43.13 | Some_Person | kannan122: wifi or ethernet? what chipset? |
| 22:44.00 | kannan1222 | ethernet |
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| 22:44.20 | kannan1222 | i am not getting an ip address |
| 22:44.26 | kannan1222 | and the wires are connected |
| 22:44.29 | kannan1222 | its set to dhcp |
| 22:44.52 | kannan1222 | and the ethernet light on the router is on |
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| 22:46.19 | rgr | with grub2 where do I look for updating the boot line with "splash"? |
| 22:47.22 | abrotman | /etc/default/grub or grub2 .. whatever the file is |
| 22:47.42 | peterrooney | kannan1222: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 22:48.42 | kannan1222 | it just keeps sending dhcp discover on message on port 67 |
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| 22:51.53 | xand | kannan1222: could be a dodgy cable or the dhcp server isn't responding? |
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| 22:52.42 | danols | what is the difference between useradd and adduser ? |
| 22:53.01 | abrotman | they have man pages |
| 22:54.05 | danols | adduser is preferred thanks |
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| 22:57.10 | kannan1222 | its not the cable |
| 22:57.18 | kannan1222 | i plug it on another computer and it works |
| 22:57.29 | kannan1222 | dhcp is working also |
| 22:57.35 | kannan1222 | any idea guys |
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| 23:05.54 | rawtaz | question: inside a container created by debootstrap, is it better to do aptitude upgrade instead of aptitude dist-upgrade as usual? |
| 23:06.33 | danols | could someone advise me how I can limit an FTP user to a specific directory ? |
| 23:06.38 | danols | or point me in the right directions? |
| 23:06.45 | danols | google is not helping |
| 23:06.56 | rawtaz | i guess first it depends on what ftpd you are using |
| 23:07.28 | abrotman | rawtaz: depends which version of debian you're using and wha tyou're trying to do |
| 23:08.01 | danols | rawtaz: not sure whatever came installed with debian |
| 23:08.26 | danols | fzSftp in the status when I connect |
| 23:08.40 | rawtaz | abrotman: it is squeeze as the host, the container is debootstrapped squeeze under openvz. some documentation (http://wiki.openvz.org/Debian_template_creation) mentions apt-get update && upgrade instead of update && dist-upgrade. i am thinking that maybe there's a reason for it not being dist-upgrade (smaller footprint being a container, or whatever) |
| 23:09.06 | abrotman | rawtaz: if there are packages held back, you want full-upgrade or dist-upgrade |
| 23:09.10 | rawtaz | danols: ok, im sorry, dont know :< |
| 23:09.21 | chipotle | where is the list of bugs to be fixed before sid is released? |
| 23:09.23 | abrotman | danols: dpkg -l "*ftp*" .. anything come back? |
| 23:09.30 | abrotman | chipotle: sid is never released |
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| 23:10.23 | rawtaz | abrotman: i have no idea what packages held back means ;/ do you possibly have any pointers/keywords i can use to go read about it |
| 23:10.27 | rawtaz | ? |
| 23:10.28 | danols | xftp sftp and 2 ftp clients I installed |
| 23:10.34 | chipotle | abrotman: isn't sid/squeeze suppose to become stable in the next few weeks? |
| 23:10.36 | abrotman | the apt-get/aptitude manuals should tell you |
| 23:10.42 | rawtaz | ok |
| 23:10.45 | abrotman | chipotle: sid and squeeze are not remotely the same |
| 23:10.54 | rawtaz | chipotle: squeeze is |
| 23:11.05 | abrotman | rawtaz: `apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade' .. how many will it update? |
| 23:11.25 | danols | abrotman: but the their status is un |
| 23:11.30 | danols | abrotman: but the their status is un which I think means not installed |
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| 23:11.46 | abrotman | danols: not a single one is 'ii' ? |
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| 23:11.50 | rawtaz | abrotman: before i go do that, is there a reason you dont use aptitude? as i understood it its more sophisticated than apt-get, so i use only aptitude. is that dumb? :D |
| 23:12.07 | abrotman | rawtaz: sorry, i do use aptitude .. i thought you had said apt-get .. |
| 23:12.12 | chipotle | rawtaz: abrotman oh - well, where is the list for what's left in squeeze to be released? |
| 23:12.13 | danols | lftp and ncftp which are just my clients |
| 23:12.14 | danols | LOL |
| 23:12.15 | abrotman | aptitude update ; aptitude full-upgrade |
| 23:12.18 | abrotman | !rc bugs |
| 23:12.18 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=squeeze&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php . See also <rc-alert>. |
| 23:12.26 | danols | so how the hell can I ftp if nothing is installed ? :| |
| 23:12.29 | abrotman | chipotle: the udd link |
| 23:12.34 | rawtaz | abrotman: ahh, in this very case, since i just debootstrappet this container, it doesnt tell me anything will be updated, duh :D |
| 23:13.07 | danols | well I don't think I have ftp acctually |
| 23:13.09 | rawtaz | danols: install an ftpd then :) |
| 23:13.10 | danols | I'm using sftp |
| 23:13.16 | rawtaz | if you want an ftp *server* |
| 23:13.23 | rawtaz | you can go with vsftpd or proftpd |
| 23:13.25 | danols | so I think I have open-server ? yes |
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| 23:13.41 | chipotle | abrotman: what is udd? |
| 23:13.55 | abrotman | chipotle: it's a URL |
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| 23:14.06 | abrotman | see all of the URLs above? |
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| 23:14.44 | danols | I'm confused guys - how can I sftp on port 22 if I don't seem to have a server installed |
| 23:14.54 | danols | ? |
| 23:14.57 | rawtaz | danols: sftp is a subsystem to ssh |
| 23:15.00 | Pauliax | hi how to connect nokia x3 to pc? |
| 23:15.07 | rawtaz | look in your sshd_config file |
| 23:15.09 | abrotman | danols: that's part of SSH |
| 23:15.14 | danols | I see |
| 23:15.14 | rawtaz | and search for sftp |
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| 23:16.36 | Pauliax | what software and drivers shood i use to connect my nokia mobile phone x3 to pc? |
| 23:17.10 | danols | can you jail a user in sftp ? |
| 23:17.27 | abrotman | Pauliax: in what OS? |
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| 23:17.39 | Pauliax | debian |
| 23:18.12 | abrotman | it also depends what you mean by 'connect' |
| 23:18.24 | Pauliax | cable |
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| 23:20.38 | danols | think I found it: http://www.minstrel.org.uk/papers/sftp/builtin/ |
| 23:20.59 | rawtaz | abrotman: i think im starting to understand upgrade vs dist-upgrade. not much reason to use just upgrade as i see it |
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| 23:21.18 | abrotman | Pauliax: for what reason? |
| 23:21.36 | abrotman | rawtaz: there can be .. it's more useful for testing/unstable .. i'd say |
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| 23:22.06 | rawtaz | ah yeah, you mean when running that one doesnt want things to change too darn much, and then use upgrade |
| 23:22.10 | rawtaz | ? |
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| 23:24.27 | mutante | ping security.debian.org (v4) works (wieck.debian.org), ping6 security.debian.org (v6) does not work (villa.debian.org).. not sure if its me yet , how to make "apt-get" use v4 only temporarily |
| 23:24.56 | Pauliax | to backup my cntacts ant my pictures |
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| 23:25.35 | mutante | cant install a package because it hangs at 0% [Connecting to security.debian.org (2001:a78:5:1:216:35ff:fe7f:6ceb)] currently .. |
| 23:25.59 | mutante | it might be my sixxs tunnel..maybe not,..shrug |
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| 23:28.06 | abrotman | !no ipv6 |
| 23:28.10 | abrotman | !noipv6 |
| 23:28.11 | dpkg | [noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 23:28.37 | abrotman | rawtaz: roughly .. it really depends on the level of expertise of the person doing it |
| 23:29.11 | rawtaz | abrotman: do you agree that if one is unsure about it, one should use upgrade until gaining more expertise? =) |
| 23:29.43 | abrotman | rawtaz: except that sooner or later, you'll have to do the dist-upgrade |
| 23:29.49 | rawtaz | yeah |
| 23:29.59 | rawtaz | but until then :) |
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| 23:30.24 | rawtaz | oh well |
| 23:30.25 | Pauliax | hello! what software and drivers shood i use to connect my nokia mobile phone x3 to pc? |
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| 23:30.49 | rawtaz | as i understand it it is simply a matter of upgrade only ups the installed packages, it doesnt fiddle with new or changed dependencies |
| 23:31.36 | rawtaz | if following for example squeeze then doing dist-upgrade should be pretty solid considering its not like its packages are meant to change an awful lot when its released, no? |
| 23:33.06 | Arrowmaster | how can you install a package and have debconf ask low priority questions as a one time operation? ive come up with `aptitude/apt-get -o DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs="/usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt --priority=low" install package` but thats rather long |
| 23:33.06 | Pauliax | i need to know what software and drivers shood i use to connect my nokia mobile phone x3 to pc? |
| 23:33.19 | kannan1222 | i think my network card driver sucks |
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| 23:35.27 | kannan1222 | how do i upate my machine |
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| 23:35.48 | rgr | after an "aptitude purge" shouldnt the reinstall include the config files? |
| 23:36.30 | kannan1222 | how do i |
| 23:36.32 | zeponi | kannan122, what device is yours network? |
| 23:36.32 | Pauliax | version Linux version 2.6.32-5-6 i need to connect x3 nokia phone to apc |
| 23:36.52 | abrotman | rgr: depends on the package involved |
| 23:37.01 | rgr | dovecot |
| 23:37.14 | abrotman | there's probably a dovecot-common with the config files |
| 23:37.19 | rgr | it doesnt reinstall dovecot.conf in /etc/dovecot |
| 23:37.21 | kannan1222 | i d |
| 23:37.25 | rgr | aha |
| 23:37.29 | kannan1222 | zeponi i don't know |
| 23:37.33 | kannan1222 | how do i find out |
| 23:37.42 | zeponi | use this command lscpi |
| 23:37.45 | zeponi | sorry |
| 23:37.53 | zeponi | kannan122, lspci |
| 23:38.18 | abrotman | lspci -nn is probably more useful |
| 23:38.27 | rawtaz | hm, there is userdel, useradd, usermod. but what about userinfo? |
| 23:38.35 | kannan1222 | realtek semiconductor |
| 23:38.41 | abrotman | rawtaz: you probably want adduser/deluser |
| 23:38.55 | rawtaz | i just want to see the info for a user :) |
| 23:39.06 | stew | rawtaz: getent passwd username |
| 23:39.07 | rawtaz | the current setting corresponding to usermod -L root |
| 23:39.11 | kannan1222 | can i do a update some or something? |
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| 23:39.38 | Pauliax | hello! what software and drivers shood i use to connect my nokia mobile phone x3 to pc? |
| 23:39.39 | rgr | abrotman: that was it. purging dovecot-imapd removed nut didnt purge docecot-common it seems. Thanks. |
| 23:39.42 | zeponi | realtek but what model? |
| 23:39.57 | rawtaz | Pauliax: i have no idea. have you googled it? |
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| 23:40.34 | Bushmills | kannan122, why do you think that your problem is related to your network card driver? |
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| 23:40.48 | kannan1222 | its says theres two |
| 23:41.17 | abrotman | kannan1222: did you configure the correct one / |
| 23:41.20 | kannan1222 | i think its my network driver because it worked fine before when i had windows\ |
| 23:41.21 | abrotman | ? |
| 23:41.21 | Bushmills | that doesn't have to mean that there's a problem |
| 23:41.34 | kannan1222 | well right now i just gave it a static ip address |
| 23:41.42 | kannan1222 | it wont get a ip address from dhcp |
| 23:41.51 | kannan1222 | i change the cable to another computer it gets a ip from dhcp |
| 23:42.10 | zeponi | kannan122, please use this command modprobe -l | grep rtl |
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| 23:42.13 | Bushmills | how to you request a dhcp address? |
| 23:42.24 | Bushmills | do you ... |
| 23:42.37 | kannan1222 | how do i perform a update on my system |
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| 23:42.44 | mutante | dhclient eth0 , or "pump" |
| 23:42.46 | kannan1222 | i just change the network ip settings to dhcp |
| 23:42.52 | rawtaz | kannan1222: the documentation on the website does talk about that |
| 23:43.10 | stew | kannan1222: where are you changing the settings exactly? |
| 23:43.10 | zeponi | you done this command wich mutante said |
| 23:43.19 | rawtaz | but aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade would probably really update it :> |
| 23:43.25 | Bushmills | kannan1222, try to request an address by executing dhcp client manually |
| 23:44.09 | kannan1222 | i even tried /etc/init.d/network restart |
| 23:44.50 | zeponi | one minute, I'll close gate7 |
| 23:45.01 | duxklr | kannan1222, maybe your network settings are not correct. If they are not then running .../network restart won't work. |
| 23:45.05 | mutante | kannan1222: dhclient eth0 |
| 23:45.24 | kannan1222 | http://fpaste.org/rliU |
| 23:45.33 | mutante | kannan1222: if that works you want to look at "auto" keyword in your network interface configs |
| 23:45.43 | abrotman | or maybe it's eth1? |
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| 23:46.33 | kannan1222 | yup that worked |
| 23:46.53 | Pauliax | so there is no sft to connect nokia to pc |
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| 23:47.16 | stew | Pauliax: there is lots |
| 23:47.28 | kannan1222 | which file is the network config file? |
| 23:47.29 | Pauliax | what? |
| 23:47.38 | kannan1222 | is it /etc/init.d/networking?\ |
| 23:47.43 | stew | Pauliax: your statement is untrue |
| 23:47.44 | centaurus | nop |
| 23:47.52 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.53 | centaurus | /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 23:48.01 | centaurus | ops |
| 23:48.08 | centaurus | i'm wrong sorry :) |
| 23:48.20 | Pauliax | help me plees |
| 23:48.23 | Bushmills | that's why it took you longer to type :) |
| 23:48.33 | centaurus | yep |
| 23:48.34 | kannan1222 | auto is set eth1 |
| 23:48.35 | centaurus | lo |
| 23:49.00 | centaurus | kannan1222: view what's your connected nic with: mii-tool |
| 23:49.22 | centaurus | then fill the file interfaces with that nick static/dhcp options :) |
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| 23:49.55 | kannan1222 | eth1 100baseTx-f line ok |
| 23:50.00 | kannan1222 | i want to use eth0 |
| 23:50.03 | centaurus | that's it :) |
| 23:50.12 | centaurus | so you must to edit the udev options |
| 23:50.13 | kannan1222 | i think that ones gigabit |
| 23:50.20 | centaurus | oh yes |
| 23:50.27 | centaurus | verify if the module is loaded |
| 23:50.32 | kannan1222 | udev options? |
| 23:50.48 | kannan1222 | how do i do that sorry i am new to this |
| 23:51.12 | centaurus | you have 2 nics ? |
| 23:51.21 | abrotman | just configure eth1 .. what does it matter what the name is |
| 23:51.54 | mutante | man interfaces | grep dhcp |
| 23:51.57 | zeponi | back |
| 23:52.04 | kannan1222 | i dont care about the name, but i wanna take advantage of the gigabit etherneet connection i have |
| 23:52.05 | centaurus | i think he want to use another interface... (GB one) |
| 23:52.16 | centaurus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:52.47 | centaurus | if you have in this file.. 2 nics.. like.. eth0 and eth1 |
| 23:52.57 | centaurus | then just switch the cable and configure... |
| 23:53.00 | kannan1222 | i have one nic |
| 23:53.13 | centaurus | so you need to install your gb card |
| 23:53.15 | centaurus | module |
| 23:53.15 | kannan1222 | its a fast ethernet and a gigabit card |
| 23:53.33 | centaurus | lspci | grep ether |
| 23:54.12 | centaurus | sorry.. case sense.. lspci | grep Ether |
| 23:54.15 | kannan1222 | it shows me two |
| 23:54.34 | kannan1222 | one being pci express gigabit |
| 23:54.40 | centaurus | ifconfig shows only one.. right ? |
| 23:54.55 | Bushmills | try ifconfig -a |
| 23:55.03 | zeponi | phisically, have you two? |
| 23:55.15 | kannan1222 | ifconfig -a shows two |
| 23:55.24 | Pauliax | please help |
| 23:55.40 | kannan1222 | i have one physical nick card |
| 23:55.59 | Bushmills | plus an onboard, probably. which is also "physical" |
| 23:56.04 | kannan1222 | no no |
| 23:56.09 | kannan1222 | this nick card is wierd |
| 23:56.12 | Pauliax | need help! how to connect nokia x3 to pc? |
| 23:56.27 | Bushmills | dual nic card exist |
| 23:56.34 | kannan1222 | even in windows this one device shows device |
| 23:56.38 | centaurus | Pauliax: i have a problem with Nokia phones in the past... look for the obex package ;) |
| 23:56.42 | kannan1222 | i guess its a dual |
| 23:56.45 | zeponi | please, past result of lspci |
| 23:56.51 | kannan1222 | okey |
| 23:56.55 | zeponi | paste** |
| 23:57.58 | zeponi | use this link to paste http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 23:58.06 | kannan1222 | http://www.fpaste.org/15F1 |
| 23:58.43 | zeponi | ypu have 3 cards |
| 23:58.50 | kannan1222 | ones a wireless |
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| 23:59.03 | centaurus | man u have 3 nics :) |
| 23:59.08 | kannan1222 | no |
| 23:59.09 | kannan1222 | i have two |
| 23:59.23 | kannan1222 | ones a wireless and the other ones a ethernet |
| 23:59.30 | centaurus | so... |
| 23:59.31 | kannan1222 | i am not lying please believe me |
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| 23:59.42 | zeponi | you have 2 wire and 1 wireless |
| 23:59.46 | kannan1222 | no |
| 23:59.47 | stew | 1 = 3 |