| 00:00.01 | robokop | for very large values of 1 |
| 00:00.03 | kannan1222 | 1 physical ethernet |
| 00:00.06 | kannan1222 | and 1 wireless |
| 00:00.15 | centaurus | are you sure ? |
| 00:00.16 | kannan1222 | i think the ethernet adapters a dual one |
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| 00:00.25 | stew | kannan1222: can you show us the output of "lspci -nn" ? |
| 00:00.35 | kannan1222 | i am 200 persent sure |
| 00:00.43 | kannan1222 | i built this pc my self |
| 00:00.43 | Bushmills | repeat the paste of lspci with -k switch |
| 00:00.56 | kannan1222 | the motherboard didnt come with a onboard lan |
| 00:00.58 | Pauliax | centaurus with whict mobile phone you used this package. over cable or blootooth and where to find it? |
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| 00:02.04 | centaurus | Pauliax: used with n95 and cable connections |
| 00:02.14 | centaurus | Pauliax: apt-cache search obex |
| 00:02.24 | Pauliax | thanx |
| 00:02.25 | zeponi | very incommum nowadays motherboard come without network |
| 00:02.27 | centaurus | :) |
| 00:02.30 | centaurus | u r welcome |
| 00:02.41 | kannan1222 | http://paste.debian.net/105411 |
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| 00:03.39 | Bushmills | and ifconfig -a shows 2, not 3 eth interfaces? |
| 00:03.41 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 00:03.54 | zeponi | paste ifocnfig -a please |
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| 00:04.25 | stew | (or 4 addresses) |
| 00:04.31 | kannan1222 | brushmills thats right it only shows me the two ethernets |
| 00:04.32 | stew | he seems to be saying he might have 4 separate MACs |
| 00:04.33 | zeponi | you done ifup eth0, didn't? |
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| 00:04.49 | Azrael_- | i |
| 00:05.05 | Bushmills | all your nics looks like they're ready to go. |
| 00:05.05 | stephan48 | hi, is there some way to get only the informations at the top of a debian bug out of the bugtracker(optimally without loading the rest)?(i only need maintainer, package, reporter, severity) |
| 00:05.14 | kannan1222 | http://paste.debian.net/105412 heres the output of lspci -nn |
| 00:05.40 | kannan1222 | no i didnt but i'll do it now |
| 00:06.00 | zeponi | please done |
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| 00:06.29 | zeponi | any error? |
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| 00:06.44 | kannan1222 | ifup eth0 tells me ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0 |
| 00:07.11 | dvs | kannan122: paste your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 00:07.16 | centaurus | this because in the udev have only one nic configured |
| 00:07.17 | stew | kannan1222: you would have to configure it in /etc/netowrk/interfaces before ifup eth0 woudl work |
| 00:07.20 | Azrael_- | i'd like to setup a remote server to have a full encryption. i can get a preinstalled debian-system or a rescue-console. all howtos i found so far only describe a way to set it up if you're infront of it. can you show me the direction how to do it? |
| 00:07.24 | stew | centaurus: no, it isn't |
| 00:07.37 | kannan1222 | oh okey okey |
| 00:07.40 | kannan1222 | how do i do that |
| 00:07.41 | centaurus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:07.45 | jhutchins_lt | Azrael_-: What kind of server? |
| 00:07.46 | kannan1222 | just copy the setting for eth1 ? |
| 00:07.59 | Azrael_- | jhujhiti: dedicated server |
| 00:08.11 | jhutchins_lt | Azrael_-: Server of WHAT? |
| 00:08.12 | stew | kannan1222: sure, but you probably only want one of the other being auto |
| 00:08.21 | lapsusbrutus | I want a extreemely nerdy screensaver for a computer with no X.. framebuffer only.. Anyone has any suggestions for a cool one? :P |
| 00:08.35 | Bushmills | kannan1222, man interfaces |
| 00:08.38 | kannan1222 | heres ifconfig -a http://paste.debian.net/105414 |
| 00:08.57 | stew | kannan1222: so you are saying that one of your 3 network cards is a dual card? |
| 00:09.14 | Azrael_- | jhujhiti: a debian-server used as lamp (or do i still misunderstand your question?) |
| 00:09.33 | jhutchins_lt | Azrael_-: Possibly a web server? |
| 00:09.36 | stew | i think he must have not really been 200% sure about that |
| 00:09.51 | centaurus | kannan1222: paste this: cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 00:10.10 | Azrael_- | jhujhiti: i just care about setting up the base-system fully encrypted. does it matter what services i intend to use on it? |
| 00:10.13 | dvs | thinks kannan1222 had another network card before |
| 00:10.32 | kannan1222 | no i just did a fresh install of debian |
| 00:10.37 | stew | he said he had a dual card, and he has three (1 wireless, 2 ethernet) so there should be 4 total macs |
| 00:10.49 | stew | but I have a feeling that there isn't really a dual card |
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| 00:11.08 | centaurus | persistent net rules will show us the way :) |
| 00:11.12 | kannan1222 | http://paste.debian.net/105415 heres /etc/udev/rules.d/70 |
| 00:11.25 | dvs | or it's the FireWire network |
| 00:11.35 | rawtaz | hm. shouldnt /etc/mtab be a symlink to /proc/mtab (ive read http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=494001) |
| 00:11.41 | kannan1222 | two of that ethernets thats shows is actauly one nic |
| 00:11.41 | rawtaz | on my squeeze, it isnt |
| 00:11.47 | kannan1222 | and the other ones a wireless card |
| 00:11.56 | centaurus | he has 3 networks.. 2 wired and 1 wireless.. |
| 00:12.13 | centaurus | eth0 - 10/100/1000 |
| 00:12.13 | kannan1222 | no |
| 00:12.16 | centaurus | eth1 - 10/100 |
| 00:12.20 | centaurus | eth2 wireless |
| 00:12.27 | kannan1222 | seriously i only have one physical ethernet adapter |
| 00:12.30 | Azrael_- | jhujhiti: it shall be a webserver with apache, php, mysql and vsftpd |
| 00:12.46 | stew | no eth2 isn't wireless, its firewire |
| 00:12.53 | centaurus | yes sorry |
| 00:13.10 | thewanderer1 | hey, I can't log on as root from remote |
| 00:13.17 | thewanderer1 | but local root logon works as expected |
| 00:13.40 | abrotman | log on via what? |
| 00:13.46 | Azrael_- | thewanderer1: you can disallow root to login from remote using ssh |
| 00:13.52 | centaurus | kannan1222: apt-get install ethtool (then ethtool ethX) where X is eth1 eth0 eth1 and eth2 |
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| 00:14.08 | centaurus | you will see more info about your nic |
| 00:14.09 | kannan1222 | what does that do |
| 00:14.17 | thewanderer1 | Azrael_-: I know, I want to do exactly the opposite |
| 00:14.24 | lapsusbrutus | cmatrix was just what I was looking for :D |
| 00:14.38 | Azrael_- | change the sshd-config |
| 00:14.45 | centaurus | Supported link modes and so on... |
| 00:14.47 | stew | abrotman: i think rcox needs to talk to you about florida :) |
| 00:14.52 | abrotman | oh okay! |
| 00:14.53 | duxklr | kannan1222, you can also run ethtool -p eth0 to make the lights blink to verify what card you are working with. |
| 00:15.07 | centaurus | nice tip man :) |
| 00:15.08 | abrotman | stew: Don't worry, I'll watch sheba/adele .. you two have fun :) |
| 00:15.36 | thewanderer1 | Azrael_-: there are no AllowUsers/AllowGroup entries in sshd_config... PAM is returning wrong password |
| 00:15.40 | abrotman | wait .. /me can't remember if there's another pet now or not |
| 00:15.43 | centaurus | i'm writing this in somewhere in my room lol |
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| 00:15.45 | thewanderer1 | but the password is correct - I can log on locally |
| 00:15.46 | kannan1222 | i get an error saying couldn't find package ethtool |
| 00:15.52 | kannan1222 | i think its my sources |
| 00:15.53 | ragnar76 | hi all |
| 00:16.03 | duxklr | kannan1222, apt-get install ethtool |
| 00:16.10 | Azrael_- | k |
| 00:16.29 | kannan1222 | it says can't find package ethtool |
| 00:16.34 | ragnar76 | is it possible to bind a flashdrive to a specific mount place? |
| 00:16.40 | centaurus | debian lenny? |
| 00:16.41 | Bushmills | aptitude update |
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| 00:16.53 | Azrael_- | thewanderer1: and "PermitRootLogin"? |
| 00:16.53 | ragnar76 | in squeeze |
| 00:17.06 | duxklr | I just ran this on Debian 5.0.8: sudo apt-get install ethtool |
| 00:17.11 | duxklr | what are you using? |
| 00:17.16 | kannan1222 | i believe so |
| 00:17.17 | jhutchins_lt | Sigh, I get Cannot identify NIC: Operation not supported |
| 00:17.28 | kannan1222 | 5.0.7 |
| 00:17.36 | thewanderer1 | Azrael_-: hm, yes it was disabled. and still PAM was giving me errors - it's so transparent :D thanks |
| 00:17.46 | Azrael_- | :) |
| 00:18.13 | kannan1222 | can i update? |
| 00:18.25 | thewanderer1 | ragnar76: mount /dev/flashdrive /media/whereIwannamountit , where /dev/flashdrive is the actual path to your thumb drive |
| 00:18.47 | duxklr | kannan1222, do you have networking working at all right now? If not the apt-get will not work. It is trying to download the ethtool package. |
| 00:18.52 | kannan1222 | yes |
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| 00:19.10 | centaurus | kannan1222: aptitude update only update the repositorie packages... to update the system is another command |
| 00:19.14 | kannan1222 | eth1 is up |
| 00:19.39 | Azrael_- | i'd like to setup a remote server to have a full encryption. i can get a preinstalled debian-system or a rescue-console. all howtos i found so far only describe a way to set it up if you're infront of it. can you show me the direction how to do it? |
| 00:19.41 | kannan1222 | what is the command to update the system |
| 00:19.57 | centaurus | aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 00:20.08 | centaurus | but.. be very careful :) |
| 00:20.15 | kannan1222 | hehe |
| 00:20.19 | kannan1222 | y |
| 00:20.27 | thewanderer1 | Azrael_-: remote encrypted server misses the point completely and makes you feel secure when you are in fact not |
| 00:20.39 | kannan1222 | would it mess up my system |
| 00:20.41 | kannan1222 | ??? |
| 00:20.58 | centaurus | yes or not.. depends of the force... :) |
| 00:20.59 | duxklr | careful why? Upgrades are typically harmless (at least in my experience). |
| 00:21.02 | Azrael_- | thewanderer1: in what way am i so insecure? |
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| 00:21.27 | nsadmin | , pciid 1004:618e |
| 00:21.29 | judd | [1004:618e] is 'Unknown device' from 'VLSI Technology Inc' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1004:618e |
| 00:21.49 | centaurus | duxklr: i got so much errors in my life... that's why at the job they call me hell profet lol |
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| 00:22.13 | thewanderer1 | Azrael_-: first, a fully encrypted system needs you to input the password during boot. If someone hacks your initrd then what? or even installs their own distro and copies over SSH keys |
| 00:22.23 | rudi_s | thewanderer1: Depends on the attack model. |
| 00:22.31 | kannan1222 | even that says theres nothing to upgrade |
| 00:22.55 | stew | kannan1222: then you are running 5.0.8 |
| 00:23.01 | duxklr | centaurus, upgrades on Debian/Ubuntu have been soooo good for me.. Solaris on the other hand... You are luckly if the system will even boot after an update :) |
| 00:23.04 | kannan1222 | its lenny/volatile main |
| 00:23.13 | centaurus | lol |
| 00:23.13 | kannan1222 | how can i know for sure |
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| 00:23.23 | rudi_s | You're right, then you're screwed. But if you just want to protect your data in case your server gets seized (police, stolen, whatever), it's IMHO a good idea. |
| 00:23.30 | Azrael_- | thewanderer1: ofc there are attack-options i can't avoid but i like to make it as hard as possible to get into it and to leave as few traces as possible on the drives you can read if it isn't decrypted |
| 00:23.38 | centaurus | kannan1222: cat /etc/debian-version |
| 00:23.41 | stew | kannan1222: check that it says that there is nothing to upgrade |
| 00:24.00 | kannan1222 | its 5.0.7 |
| 00:24.01 | nevyn | duxklr: solaris patching is broken by design in that it's real patching (binaries on disk are modified) debian/ubuntu (and even redhat) replace componets rather than patching |
| 00:24.12 | centaurus | ops.. is not this file.. sorry |
| 00:24.13 | kannan1222 | i think my source.list is messed up |
| 00:24.16 | stew | kannan1222: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 00:24.16 | thewanderer1 | Azrael_-: then as far as I know you can create the encrypted volumes by hand and install Debian manually |
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| 00:24.31 | zeponi | kannan122, aptitude upgrade |
| 00:24.37 | stew | he just did |
| 00:24.52 | zeponi | stew, sorry |
| 00:24.56 | thewanderer1 | Azrael_-: installing itself is not so hard - a bunch of commands. I just never quite got all the config syntaxes to work at the first attempt :P |
| 00:25.33 | stew | kannan1222: wait, have you run "aptitude update" recently? |
| 00:25.39 | kannan1222 | http://paste.debian.net/105418 |
| 00:25.40 | Azrael_- | thewanderer1: i know the rough idea how it could be done, but till now i have no experience how to create the initramfs and everything from the outside (rescue-system) and hoped for a guide or hints |
| 00:25.46 | kannan1222 | yes i did |
| 00:25.48 | stew | kannan1222: 5.0.8 was only released a few hours ago, so you'd have to have updated |
| 00:26.06 | stew | kannan1222: oh, you don't have a main mirror, what country are you in? |
| 00:26.09 | debiantonio | yeah |
| 00:26.11 | dvs | ah cdrom |
| 00:26.15 | kannan1222 | i thought my /etc/debian-version says 5.0.7 |
| 00:26.24 | ragnar76 | thewanderer1: yes, but when i plug it in automount starts up and place it in /media/usb* ( depends which usb port ). my thought was to apply a line in /etc/fstab ( or somewhere in the automount config ) |
| 00:26.25 | kannan1222 | canada |
| 00:26.35 | thewanderer1 | Azrael_-: as usual - just bindmount all you need, chroot in and then you set it up like a native system - install cryptsetup, kernel, configure the crypttab and Debian does its magic |
| 00:26.45 | stew | kannan1222: add "deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian lenny main" to /etc/apt/sources.list ; then run "aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade" |
| 00:26.57 | dvs | and comment out the cdrom line |
| 00:27.00 | Azrael_- | thewanderer1: ok, i'll try it |
| 00:27.03 | thewanderer1 | ragnar76: well, I don't run automount - didn't know it is a part of Squeeze |
| 00:27.13 | kannan1222 | thanks |
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| 00:27.46 | stew | uhh, unless bind is installed in which case you'd potentially need "aptitude full-upgrade" |
| 00:27.49 | thewanderer1 | however, the police have already captured Linux systems with encrypted drives in the past (man-in-the-middle attack), so I still see no point :) |
| 00:28.36 | debiantonio | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.8 was released January 22nd, 2011 |
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| 00:28.44 | sgeh | hi how to check the vnc version |
| 00:28.46 | Azrael_- | thewanderer1: reference? |
| 00:29.02 | sgeh | vnc --version desnt do it |
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| 00:29.12 | abrotman | !tell sgeh about version |
| 00:29.33 | ragnar76 | thewanderer1: english is not my native lang. so "automoun" means for me a system which mounts drives automatic |
| 00:30.06 | thewanderer1 | Azrael_-: it was discussed alongside "Evil maid attack", can't find the exact page right now |
| 00:30.10 | ragnar76 | thewanderer1: dont know if udev is running or something else |
| 00:30.19 | sgeh | thakns abrotman |
| 00:30.30 | thewanderer1 | ragnar76: are you talking about automount in GUI or without any desktop environment running? |
| 00:30.37 | kenon | Right, I've given up trying to name sata devices per-bay. I can't get serial number based devices working properly either. |
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| 00:31.01 | ragnar76 | thewanderer1: basic, without gui |
| 00:31.42 | kenon | ID_SERIAL seems only to match after 60-persistent-storage.rules runs but all the documentation seems to say I should run my custom rules early (I think 60- is overriding them) |
| 00:31.50 | thewanderer1 | ragnar76: sorry but I honestly have no idea what is mounting your media |
| 00:32.11 | rgr | clicking on a link in xterm isnt using my default x-www-browser. Where else could it be set to something else? |
| 00:32.32 | stew | rgr: which terminal emulator are you using? |
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| 00:32.37 | kenon | rgr, i don't think xterm supports clicking on links |
| 00:32.45 | rgr | it does |
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| 00:32.56 | rgr | xterm |
| 00:33.10 | Rclare70 | hi guys, sorry to ask this here, but not getting any reponse from the postfix channel, :i know it is possible to relay mail for a domain to a remote server via the transport file, however is it possible to relay mail to Server A, and in the even that server A is unavaiable route the mail via Server B ? |
| 00:33.17 | stew | all of xterms configuration is done via resources |
| 00:33.50 | rgr | yeah, nothing in my .xdefaults. but would think it would bow to x-web-browser |
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| 00:34.06 | Azrael_- | thewanderer1: ok, i'm aware of this problem but in most cases such an attack is quite rare. thus i'll still set it up like i described defeating most other attack-scenarios |
| 00:34.26 | thewanderer1 | good luck :) |
| 00:34.34 | Azrael_- | thx |
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| 00:34.47 | thewanderer1 | you should also employ Intel TXT and IMA if you are able to... |
| 00:35.07 | Azrael_- | not atm, regarding such things i'm still a noob :) |
| 00:35.11 | thewanderer1 | it gets you the honour of being #1 user of this technology on Linux :P |
| 00:35.15 | ragnar76 | ok, next question. how do i find out what UUID a partition has? |
| 00:35.28 | stew | ragnar76: blkid |
| 00:35.34 | thewanderer1 | ^ as root |
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| 00:36.23 | Azrael_- | thewanderer1: btw, txt/ima? never heard of it, thought is was sth similar to tpm but google didn't show anything related |
| 00:37.17 | thewanderer1 | Azrael_-: the kernel config menu has references to it, and they are relatively unknown to sysadmins :P |
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| 00:38.38 | thewanderer1 | (or anyone outside Intel in general...) |
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| 00:38.54 | Azrael_- | k |
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| 00:39.31 | mutante | arr, now the heck did this happen all of a sudden: Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld failed! /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed Starting MySQL database server: mysqld already running. | error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' | Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server_5.0.51a-24+lenny5_all.deb ...etc :/ |
| 00:40.05 | thewanderer1 | mutante: it looks like your debian-sys-maint user has suddendly lost access to MySQL |
| 00:40.06 | stew | mutante: you deleted the debian-sys-maint account from mysql or changed its password without updating /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
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| 00:40.43 | mutante | hrm, just that im not aware when that would have happened |
| 00:40.49 | mutante | but gotta check, sure |
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| 00:41.33 | thewanderer1 | hmm perhaps a ninja SQL injection :P |
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| 00:43.45 | Kanibal | Does anyone know what happens, if I send a network packet from a ip that is not in the same subnet as the ip of the target-pc? |
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| 00:44.40 | NiLon | Kanibal it gets to bit heaven? |
| 00:44.44 | Kanibal | For example if I have a second dsl-router in my network and want to forward some ports there, but the second router is not the gateway of the pc |
| 00:44.45 | stew | Kanibal: it depends on the configuration of the machine you send it to |
| 00:44.47 | mutante | hmm, user exists, just the password must be wrong or could the 'localhost' part be messed up because of IPv6, and i need to GRANT 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 00:44.57 | Kanibal | So, probably connection timeout? |
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| 00:45.14 | stew | it wouldn't be based on probabilities... |
| 00:45.28 | stew | Kanibal: if you want to have two default gateways: /msg dpkg split access |
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| 00:46.15 | Kanibal | okay - does that work for windows clients too? |
| 00:46.17 | kannan1222 | http://paste.debian.net/105423 |
| 00:46.18 | stew | mutante: try it from the command line |
| 00:46.20 | Kanibal | oh wait, i'll just read the link |
| 00:46.37 | Kanibal | Na. I wont read it - the site is down. |
| 00:47.44 | kannan1222 | what can i do guy |
| 00:47.56 | kannan1222 | s |
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| 00:49.03 | stew | Kanibal: its router configuration, not dependent on the clients |
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| 00:49.21 | kannan1222 | stew how do i get the gigabit connection up?\ |
| 00:49.41 | stew | Kanibal: both of those links work |
| 00:49.42 | Kanibal | So, if i understood that right - port forwarding is only accepted by the clients, if the packet comes from their gateway? |
| 00:49.44 | mutante | stew: update user set password=password("<the password from /etc/mysql/debian.cnf>") where user="debian-sys-maint"; flush privileges; fixed it. Thankks |
| 00:49.59 | mutante | dont know why it happened though |
| 00:50.14 | stew | Kanibal: it currently doesn't have a cable plugged in |
| 00:50.17 | stew | Kanibal: not you |
| 00:50.23 | stew | kannan1222: it currently doesn't have a cable plugged in |
| 00:50.31 | kannan1222 | it does |
| 00:50.40 | kannan1222 | theres only one nick for eth0 and eth1 |
| 00:50.45 | kannan1222 | there wire is plugged in |
| 00:51.29 | kannan1222 | and also tell me how to install firefox on debian |
| 00:51.40 | stew | kannan1222: eth1 has a cable plugged in but eth0 doesn't |
| 00:51.55 | stew | kannan1222: or if eth0 has a cable plugged in, it isn't working |
| 00:51.58 | kenon | kannan1222, Try iceweasel. Its pretty much firefox renamed and rebranded for licensing reasons. |
| 00:52.17 | kannan1222 | oh okey |
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| 00:53.05 | stew | Kanibal: what is "the clients" what ports are being forwarded? |
| 00:53.08 | kannan1222 | okey okey |
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| 00:53.32 | Kanibal | stew: err, okay, I'm trying to explain it a bit more specific |
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| 00:54.01 | kannan1222 | i only have one physical ehternet adapter the wire is plugged in and the internet is working but its on fast ethernet i want to use the gigabit ethernet |
| 00:54.04 | aleray | hi, I have installed pil on a virtualenv, but it is complaining "IOError: encoder jpeg not available", although libjpeg62 is installed on lenny |
| 00:54.15 | Kanibal | so, I have one debian server who does the first internet connetion via ptpp with a modem. There I have some ports being forwarded and it is the default gateway for the pcs |
| 00:54.41 | Kanibal | So, if someone now accesses $domain:3389, the connection is forwarded to the admin-pc |
| 00:55.24 | Kanibal | But, as usual in life, not everything works perfect - sometimes the connection breaks and then i have to manually visit the server and fix it |
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| 00:55.37 | stew | kannan1222: i've never heard of such a thing, sorry |
| 00:55.39 | Kanibal | So, I want to have a secondary inet connection as a backup |
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| 00:55.47 | kenon | So. I IMPORT ata_id into udev rules and it actually creates /dev/sda for my disk! But it -still- creates /dev/sdc (acceptable) and the only partition devices created are /dev/sdc? (not acceptable) |
| 00:56.24 | Kanibal | I set up a router + dsl-modem (with it's own ip and it's own cable) and added some forwarding rules but these wont work |
| 00:56.32 | kannan1222 | oh |
| 00:56.34 | kannan1222 | ok ok |
| 00:56.42 | kannan1222 | i guess i can just use the one thats working for now |
| 00:56.54 | kannan1222 | how do i get my wireless card up and running |
| 00:56.59 | dvs | kannan122: Who uses the connection? |
| 00:57.09 | dvs | just you? |
| 00:57.13 | kannan1222 | yes |
| 00:57.25 | Kanibal | My guess is, that the problem exists because of the clients do not have the second router as a gatewy and thus don't accept any requests from ips outside their subnet |
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| 00:57.37 | dvs | kannan122: echo "blacklist 8139too" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf |
| 00:58.08 | stew | Kanibal: you need one machine that is the default gateway for all the other machines that has a connection to both the dsl-modem and the pptp connection, and setup split access and all the routing rules on that machine |
| 00:58.37 | stew | Kanibal: it would be much easier than configuring each machine with multiple routing tables |
| 00:58.41 | Kanibal | gnah. But what happens, if this machine blows up? |
| 00:58.53 | stew | call 911 |
| 00:59.04 | Kanibal | I mean - it would be enough if I could just reach the admin-pc via rdp |
| 00:59.30 | stew | then you need to setup each machine for split access |
| 01:00.10 | nsadmin | hi |
| 01:00.25 | Kanibal | Hm, okay. That would be possible |
| 01:02.00 | Kanibal | stew: Or if i just set the network mask to 255.255.255.255? |
| 01:02.22 | Kanibal | And add the admin-pc to the DMZ? |
| 01:02.43 | stew | no |
| 01:03.14 | nsadmin | I'm trying to develop android apps under debian squeeze and I have an actual phone that can do the running and debugging, but it shows up as "??????????" under serial number... so far speculation suggests that root perms are needed by the adt server, or udev rule alteration is needed and I want to go for the latter. |
| 01:03.30 | stew | you'd have to add a host route to the gateway, and then all you've accomplished is to not let it talk to as many machines on the local net |
| 01:03.44 | nsadmin | except I don't know anything about udev, and so I want to read up as I go |
| 01:04.25 | nsadmin | what exactly do I need to read? to do? |
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| 01:06.31 | kannan1222 | how do you install flash plugin |
| 01:06.39 | abrotman | !tell kannan1222 about adobe flash |
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| 01:09.55 | kannan1222 | huh? |
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| 01:10.13 | kannan1222 | it didnt tell me anything |
| 01:10.42 | sedeki | how should i use gparted? i only have one partition right now |
| 01:10.46 | Thermi | kannan122: use synaptic |
| 01:10.54 | Thermi | what do you want to do? :p |
| 01:10.57 | sedeki | should i boot from a cd and then run it? |
| 01:11.23 | sedeki | i want to make one more partition so i can use debootstrap to install debian |
| 01:11.25 | Thermi | i don't think you can change the active partition, so you need to boot from CD, yes |
| 01:11.28 | kannan1222 | i want to watch youtube videos |
| 01:11.30 | macrobat | kannan1222: didn't you just get a private message from dpkg? |
| 01:11.37 | kannan1222 | oh yes i did |
| 01:11.41 | kannan1222 | sorry |
| 01:11.51 | macrobat | :D |
| 01:12.01 | stew | kannan1222: you can watch some of them in html5 and skip the non-free browser plugin crap |
| 01:12.23 | Thermi | [02:12:01]<stew>kannan1222: you can watch some of them in html5 a |
| 01:12.30 | Thermi | but just some |
| 01:12.50 | kannan1222 | hm |
| 01:13.02 | kannan1222 | i went to youtube.com and its asking me to install flash |
| 01:13.15 | debiantonio | kannan1222: http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 01:13.22 | Thermi | if you want to install adobe flash, you can get it from synaptic or aptitude/apt-get |
| 01:14.26 | kannan1222 | update-flashplugin-nonfree --install |
| 01:14.39 | kannan1222 | says command not found |
| 01:15.25 | dvs | those are bad instructions (for newbies anyways) |
| 01:15.27 | Thermi | you didn't even install it yet |
| 01:15.43 | debiantonio | aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 01:15.49 | kannan1222 | thanks |
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| 01:16.24 | dvs | debiantonio: contrib non-free is not in sources |
| 01:16.32 | kannan1222 | it says no candinate version found |
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| 01:16.43 | Sary | uses Gnash flash player as a free software alternative to the proprietary Adobe flash player. |
| 01:16.58 | debiantonio | squeeze yes |
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| 01:18.45 | debiantonio | and lenny-backports |
| 01:19.07 | kannan1222 | ??? |
| 01:19.08 | Thermi | kannan122: do you have x11 installed? |
| 01:19.13 | kannan1222 | i am not sure |
| 01:19.18 | kannan1222 | how do i find out |
| 01:19.23 | Thermi | do you have a graphical user interface? |
| 01:19.28 | kannan1222 | yes |
| 01:19.29 | kannan1222 | i do |
| 01:19.30 | Thermi | ok |
| 01:19.36 | dvs | kannan1222: add "contrib non-free" to the end of the "ftp.ca.debian.org" line in sources.list |
| 01:19.49 | Ademan | is it valid to perform the actual creation of a network interface in the interfaces pre-up ? (I want to create a tap interface for myself, so I want to add a line "pre-up tunctl -u dan -t tap_dan" to the tap_dan interface configuration, I'm not sure the -t option is correct, but that's the spirit of what I want to do) |
| 01:20.56 | debiantonio | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
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| 01:21.15 | stew | debiantonio: no, he's running lenny |
| 01:21.36 | Thermi | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stablemain contrib non-free |
| 01:21.38 | debiantonio | ok, so aptitude update |
| 01:21.39 | Thermi | :) |
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| 01:22.11 | debiantonio | stablemain???? |
| 01:22.23 | Thermi | args |
| 01:22.27 | stew | Thermi: you should never use stable in sources.list anyway |
| 01:22.31 | abrotman | there are many german mirrors |
| 01:22.36 | Thermi | why? |
| 01:22.49 | Thermi | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 01:22.49 | debiantonio | or stable main??? |
| 01:22.53 | abrotman | Thermi: because the link stable points to changes .. surprise upgrades |
| 01:22.54 | debiantonio | ok |
| 01:22.56 | stew | Thermi: beacuse when stable changes in a few weeks, and he doesn't realize it, he gets a broken upgrade |
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| 01:23.08 | Thermi | oh |
| 01:23.10 | Thermi | ok D: |
| 01:23.12 | debiantonio | update now |
| 01:23.32 | kannan1222 | i am confused |
| 01:23.38 | dvs | kannan1222: add "contrib non-free" to the end of the "ftp.ca.debian.org" line in sources.list |
| 01:23.40 | zeponi | :D |
| 01:23.46 | kannan1222 | i did |
| 01:23.48 | debiantonio | yes |
| 01:23.52 | kannan1222 | my line looks like this |
| 01:24.04 | debiantonio | aptitude update? |
| 01:24.21 | kannan1222 | deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 01:24.31 | dvs | kannan122: good. Now "aptitude update" |
| 01:24.37 | kannan1222 | i did |
| 01:24.45 | debiantonio | aptitude search flashplugin-nonfree |
| 01:24.59 | stew | that will verify that the two repositories you had him add don't contain that package |
| 01:25.23 | dvs | kannan1222: now "aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree" |
| 01:25.26 | debiantonio | if...aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 01:25.55 | kannan1222 | i dont get any results |
| 01:26.04 | stew | kannan1222: that's expected |
| 01:26.06 | debiantonio | 8S |
| 01:26.10 | dvs | kannan122: then it worked. |
| 01:26.31 | zeponi | good night people |
| 01:26.47 | kannan1222 | still says no candiante version found |
| 01:26.49 | debiantonio | ok? |
| 01:27.13 | abrotman | lenny doesn't have flashplugin-nonfree .. use backports.org |
| 01:27.17 | nsadmin | abrotman, you around? |
| 01:27.25 | nsadmin | oh there you are |
| 01:27.40 | abrotman | runs |
| 01:27.44 | kannan1222 | hm |
| 01:27.48 | kannan1222 | i have that too |
| 01:27.54 | nsadmin | correction, there you go.... |
| 01:28.28 | kannan1222 | i have deb http://backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 01:28.31 | debiantonio | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/flashplugin-nonfree |
| 01:28.36 | nsadmin | so I need to learn enough about udev to get full perms on a usb connection to my phone |
| 01:28.52 | abrotman | nsadmin: udev rules? |
| 01:28.57 | abrotman | debiantonio: that's not for lenny |
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| 01:29.08 | kannan1222 | oh lol |
| 01:29.36 | debiantonio | http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 01:30.23 | kannan1222 | so how do i added to the source correctly |
| 01:30.28 | nsadmin | I guess so... so I'm given to understand: * udev creates device nodes under /dev; * there are rule lines generated the first time a device is seen so it's recognized next time; * rules can be altered to set perms |
| 01:31.19 | kannan1222 | ??? |
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| 01:31.28 | nsadmin | kannan1222: there should be instructions on backports.org |
| 01:31.36 | debiantonio | for squeeze ---> Package: flashplugin-nonfree (1:2.8.2) [contrib] |
| 01:31.42 | nsadmin | or wherever it is now (backports.debian.org?) |
| 01:31.54 | debiantonio | Package: flashplugin-nonfree (1:2.8.3~bpo50+1) [backports] |
| 01:32.09 | dvs | kanna1222: replace etch with lenny |
| 01:32.24 | kannan1222 | thanks |
| 01:32.37 | Amacidia | hey everyone. having some problems with an xserve g4. when I have the video card installed, the server boots fine and openssh ( i can remote into the server ) but when I pull the card and try to start up the server i cant remote in... any ideas? |
| 01:32.38 | dvs | then aptitude update |
| 01:33.07 | Amacidia | i can ping the server and it seems to be up |
| 01:33.18 | kannan1222 | so its going to be lenny-backports ? |
| 01:33.32 | dvs | yes |
| 01:33.34 | nsadmin | if you're running lenny and you want the backported one |
| 01:33.46 | kannan1222 | yes |
| 01:34.23 | kannan1222 | finnaly |
| 01:34.24 | kannan1222 | yes |
| 01:34.27 | kannan1222 | thank you guys |
| 01:34.39 | nsadmin | I think you do aptitude install -t lenny-backports (packagenames) |
| 01:35.21 | dvs | well, flashplugin-nonfree doesn't exist in the main repo so it will go to the backport repo automatically, right? |
| 01:35.36 | debiantonio | deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free |
| 01:35.37 | kannan1222 | well it installed it |
| 01:35.51 | nsadmin | well if it doesn't then the package wouldn't be found |
| 01:36.14 | debiantonio | put this line sources.list |
| 01:36.16 | kannan1222 | would it work on the 64 bit as well |
| 01:36.23 | nsadmin | good, so now restart your browser, and look at about:plugins |
| 01:36.26 | debiantonio | so.... |
| 01:36.43 | abrotman | nsadmin: do the rules make sense? |
| 01:36.52 | kannan1222 | i guess it does |
| 01:36.57 | kannan1222 | thanks a lot |
| 01:36.58 | nsadmin | I don't know where they are yet |
| 01:37.09 | kannan1222 | i also need to install the nvidia drivers |
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| 01:38.01 | stew | kannan1222: do you need 3D accelleration? |
| 01:38.21 | kannan1222 | yes |
| 01:38.35 | kannan1222 | i believe so |
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| 01:38.44 | nsadmin | abrotman, see, I got a large hd recently to replace existing failing drives... and I have a squeeze on a 200g piece so that I can use the android-api-vers8 stuff |
| 01:38.59 | abrotman | and? |
| 01:40.19 | kannan1222 | my display is horrible |
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| 01:41.33 | nsadmin | and, I haven't looked around yet, I want to learn while doing so I don't have to repeatedly ask stuff, I want to know where to read about how the udev stuff works, assuming that permissions on the device is what is preventing the adb from connecting to my phone. If not, I want to find out what the problem is. it's been speculated that device perms are the problem |
| 01:41.39 | debiantonio | have mx440 agp 8x 128mb but not install nvidia, its fine for me :) |
| 01:42.10 | debiantonio | whitout nv |
| 01:42.43 | debiantonio | 1024x768 crt display |
| 01:43.46 | kannan1222 | can't i install the nvidia drivers?\ |
| 01:43.50 | debiantonio | 75mhz |
| 01:44.46 | debiantonio | with kde, gnome or enlightenment |
| 01:45.40 | nsadmin | kde/gnome/e does not affect the physical monitor signal properties (like refresh rate) |
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| 01:46.10 | stew | it can |
| 01:46.15 | nsadmin | the most direct influence is the modeline for the x server |
| 01:46.20 | debiantonio | afffff |
| 01:47.21 | debiantonio | v or h frequencies |
| 01:47.29 | nsadmin | kannan1222: the debianized way is to build the package of nvidia and then install that package |
| 01:48.08 | kannan1222 | oh wow |
| 01:48.20 | kannan1222 | is there any insturctions i can fallow |
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| 01:48.36 | nsadmin | you can try /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 01:48.49 | nsadmin | to start with, that is |
| 01:48.56 | debiantonio | :) |
| 01:49.21 | nsadmin | it shouldn't take much in the way of user interaction; the tools handle most of the heavy lifting |
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| 01:50.04 | nsadmin | the biggest thing is to know which driver(s) support your card |
| 01:50.23 | yki | can somebody explain how to make the public_html folder of apache2 remotely visible, wich ip do i have to use after forwarding port to connect remote? |
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| 01:50.44 | nsadmin | "remotely visible"? |
| 01:50.48 | rgr | I dont think I am imagining this, but a part of my /etc/hosts file seems to be getting rewritten by the system at boot. is this possible? its a new install of squeeze rc1. |
| 01:50.56 | debiantonio | so...beer break :) |
| 01:51.04 | nsadmin | rgr: yes it is |
| 01:51.10 | nsadmin | possible that is |
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| 01:51.16 | rgr | its the localhost part. |
| 01:51.31 | rgr | never seen this before on my other squeeze machines. |
| 01:51.42 | rgr | its taken me ages to pinpoint the problem. |
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| 01:52.22 | nsadmin | if you could supply the details of your pinpoint that would be helpful in allowing others to participate in the conversation : |
| 01:53.05 | rgr | thats all I can offer. the localhost line is reset to only be 127.0.0.1 - I was having problems getting an imap connection since my "mailserver" was localhost. |
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| 01:53.13 | spersaud | I installed i386 with kfreebsd |
| 01:53.35 | spersaud | how do I get my wireless to work its a toshiba tecra m11 with intell wireless agn |
| 01:54.26 | dvs | spersaud: it depends with Intel you have. |
| 01:54.54 | spersaud | its the n6200 - agn |
| 01:55.37 | dvs | spersaud: http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 01:56.38 | spersaud | dvs ok thanks |
| 01:56.42 | dvs | np |
| 01:57.34 | nsadmin | rgr: ok, so here's the form to fill out... what are you trying to accomplish? what are the problem symptoms? you say you're altering a file and your alterations are overwritten? what's it overwritten with, and why is the overwrite not what you want? |
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| 01:58.51 | alteregoa | whats the difference of superblock 0.9 and 1.2? |
| 01:59.38 | spersaud | dvs: am I better off with linux ? |
| 01:59.49 | spersaud | dvs: I think thats for linux |
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| 02:00.19 | dvs | oh? I misspoke. sorry |
| 02:00.38 | sedeki | how do i reconfigure grub? i've installed another linux at another partition. |
| 02:00.50 | sedeki | just want to add it to the menu |
| 02:00.51 | rgr | update-grub .. |
| 02:00.54 | nsadmin | edit its config file |
| 02:00.54 | alteregoa | mdadm --create --auto=yes /dev/md1 --verbose --level=raid5 --raid-devices=8 /dev/sdc /dev/sdd /dev/sde /dev/sdf /dev/sdg /dev/sdh /dev/sdi /dev/sdj |
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| 02:01.11 | sedeki | thanks |
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| 02:01.40 | rgr | nsadmin: I made it quite clear. Something, I dont know what is rewriting the localhost line in my /etc/hosts. I dont know what. I dont know when. I am googling now. |
| 02:01.49 | abrotman | resolvconf |
| 02:02.29 | rgr | and its only on the machine with the rc1 of squeeze not older machines which have been kept up to date with aptitude. Hence I am surprised. |
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| 02:03.23 | nsadmin | probably you edit the file after /etc/init.d/networking is run and have not rebooted the other machines |
| 02:03.40 | rgr | I have rebooted the other machines ..... |
| 02:03.57 | nsadmin | as abrotman suggests, the package resolvconf may be installed on the newer one and not on the older ones |
| 02:03.58 | rgr | a created a seconf 127.0.0.1 line for my local imap server and it seems ok now |
| 02:04.12 | rgr | I will look at resolvconf too -thanks. |
| 02:04.49 | Amacidia | hey everyone. i think udev is messing up my machine here. when i pull the video card, and boot up the server, it seems like the onboard nic doesn't even power up. When I have the video card plugin, the onboard nic seems to work fine, and i can ssh into the server. Is there anything I have to do special to udev when I remove hardware? |
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| 02:06.45 | spersaud | abrotman: whats better kfreebsd or linux |
| 02:07.05 | alteregoa | how can i force linux to try out evey default gw? |
| 02:07.07 | abrotman | depends on what you need .. |
| 02:07.29 | Azrael_- | i need to create device-nodes for the partitions in an image. afair there was i tool for it (i want to access an lvm in a partition there) |
| 02:07.31 | spersaud | desktop toshiba tecra m11 need wieless |
| 02:07.41 | spersaud | good multimedia |
| 02:07.59 | Azrael_- | can you give me a hint about it's name? |
| 02:08.05 | abrotman | if you want to use kfreebsd .. that's your choice .. but i know nothing about the wireless support |
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| 02:08.57 | rgr | hmm, looks like a network-manager issue. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1596603 |
| 02:09.05 | rgr | (sorry about the ubuntu link) |
| 02:10.08 | rgr | (btw no resolvconf on any of the machines) - well at least I know the fix - good old chmod for now. |
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| 02:10.16 | BLZbubba | Azrael_-: mknod |
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| 02:10.53 | Azrael_- | oh yeah, but if you aren't a geek you dunno the major/minor-numbers |
| 02:12.15 | Azrael_- | at least i don't have a clue how to use it properly |
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| 02:12.29 | Zvpun | how can I see the settings in policykit org.freedesktop.hal.storage.mount-fixed? |
| 02:12.49 | BLZbubba | i usually do ls -l on a working system, it will show the node numbers |
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| 02:13.01 | BLZbubba | but it is a pain to do a lot of them! |
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| 02:13.13 | BLZbubba | red hat has MAKEDEV |
| 02:13.18 | BLZbubba | maybe debian has an equialent? |
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| 02:13.29 | BLZbubba | or just nick theirs |
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| 02:14.18 | sedeki | i've debootstrapped my system. when i boot it, /bin/sh says that it cannot find tty |
| 02:14.38 | Azrael_- | ok, it also has makedev, now i gotta read about how to use it :) |
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| 02:18.30 | topgun21 | does amazon mp3 downloader work under debain squeeze? |
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| 02:20.09 | abrotman | i think there's a web browser method |
| 02:21.16 | stew | Azrael_-: it sounds like you might want kpartx |
| 02:21.20 | Amacidia | man this is very odd. with the video card insert into the server, the computer boots fine and I can SSH into the computer. When I remove the card the server starts but I can't SSH into the computer. Does this sound like an issue with udev anyone? |
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| 02:25.59 | sedeki | can someone help me? i've installed a debian system but it says "/bin/sh: cannot open tty" when i boot it, so busybox loads |
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| 02:27.15 | nsadmin | ok, got the phone going, thanks. |
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| 02:28.49 | spersaud | why is my monitor brightness so low ?? using kfreebsd version toshib tecra |
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| 02:29.06 | spersaud | using xfce4 |
| 02:29.22 | abrotman | there is a kfreebsd channel on irc.oftc.net |
| 02:30.02 | stew | spersaud: in x or in console? |
| 02:30.09 | spersaud | abrotman: oh .. well I will install linux version |
| 02:30.11 | spersaud | X |
| 02:30.28 | stew | spersaud: perhaps try xbacklight |
| 02:30.29 | spersaud | when I plug in the power cord it doesnt get brighter |
| 02:30.34 | jordanm | spersaud: you can probably make adjustments with xfce4-power-manager |
| 02:30.55 | jordanm | spersaud: also, try the brightness buttons on your keyboard |
| 02:31.03 | Azrael_- | stew: perfect, that was it. works like a charm |
| 02:31.16 | Azrael_- | thx |
| 02:31.52 | stew | :) |
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| 02:35.10 | Zvpun | Hi, gnome does not mount the cd, how can I track down the problem? |
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| 02:35.56 | Skapare | how can I tell if an ISO on a mirror is an official ISO? |
| 02:36.19 | dvs | Skapare: check the md5sums |
| 02:36.22 | stew | Skapare: its on a cdimage mirror? you can check the md5sum |
| 02:36.39 | Skapare | dvs: ... before I download it |
| 02:37.06 | dvs | I that case... no |
| 02:37.13 | Skapare | I'm not asking if my download is good ... I'm asking if it's official so I can choose to download it |
| 02:37.17 | stew | Skapare: here is the list of official mirrors: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#mirrors |
| 02:37.40 | Skapare | stew: problem is, mirror sites don't have the same set of files |
| 02:37.58 | Skapare | this file is what I am looking at downloading: rsync://carroll.cac.psu.edu/debian-cd/5.0.7/amd64/iso-bd/debian-507-amd64-BD-1.iso |
| 02:38.52 | stew | i wonder what bd is |
| 02:38.57 | Skapare | bluray disk |
| 02:38.59 | abrotman | blu-ray |
| 02:39.02 | stew | Skapare: realize that 5.0.7 is current not 5.0.7 |
| 02:39.04 | stew | err |
| 02:39.08 | stew | 5.0.8 noy 5.0.7 |
| 02:39.16 | abrotman | are the 5.0.8 ISOs done yet? |
| 02:39.19 | Skapare | they don't have any 5.0.8 |
| 02:39.35 | stew | oh, perhaps not |
| 02:39.52 | Skapare | when did 5.0.8 come out? yesterday? |
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| 02:40.17 | Skapare | ISOs should be buildable by script ... getting them to the mirrors, that may take a while |
| 02:40.23 | stew | Skapare: ~12 hours ago |
| 02:40.55 | Skapare | stew: hmmm ... so maybe I should wait a bit ... was gonna use this weekend's lack of traffic at the office to do some downloading |
| 02:40.59 | stew | which is way to soon for images to be ready yet, mirrors or no mirrors, right |
| 02:41.08 | stew | Skapare: there is no good reason to wait for 5.0.8, ignore that |
| 02:41.15 | Skapare | yeah, 12 hours is too quick I'd think |
| 02:41.20 | stew | Skapare: are you installing onto a machine that doesn't have network access normally? |
| 02:41.47 | Skapare | stew: no, it has network access, but not fast access |
| 02:42.22 | Skapare | stew: but it would take way too long to do an install from network |
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| 02:43.10 | Skapare | so I want to download it all first and do the "mounted cdrom" aspect of D.3.3 from the install manual |
| 02:43.20 | stew | Skapare: anyway, since its from one of the official mirrors, its probably right |
| 02:43.34 | stew | Skapare: and you can check the md5sum from the official site afterward |
| 02:43.42 | Skapare | FYI my goal is to "install" into chroot or container ... then replicate to target hardware from there |
| 02:43.44 | dvs | Skapare: and you only need to install it to one machine? |
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| 02:44.16 | dokma | how can I see modifications to the file system in real time? |
| 02:44.37 | Skapare | dvs: one or two machines ... then replicate the tree from those to live system on others ... with local changes applied before the replicate ... and host specific customization after the replicate |
| 02:44.43 | stew | dokma: temporarily? or all the time? to all files or just a set of files? |
| 02:44.53 | dokma | stew: temporarily |
| 02:45.07 | dokma | something that just lists what is happening for a few moment |
| 02:45.17 | stew | dokma: you can "echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump" but it is a performance killer |
| 02:45.42 | stew | well, i don't know about "killer", but you'll certainly want to disable it when you are done |
| 02:45.45 | dokma | never heard of this |
| 02:45.57 | dokma | what does it do |
| 02:46.01 | stew | logs to syslog |
| 02:46.07 | dokma | ahhhh |
| 02:46.08 | dokma | I see |
| 02:46.22 | Skapare | dvs: oh, and those machines I will replicate to ... THOSE will not have net access |
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| 02:47.11 | stew | but actually that is block level, not fs level, so that might not be what you want |
| 02:47.26 | dokma | stew: exactly... I need filenames |
| 02:47.41 | Skapare | maybe he wants the kind of fs monitoring that allows a file browser to "instantly" see a new file being created or such |
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| 02:48.19 | Skapare | there is some kind of monitoring syscall feature, but I never programmed on it, so I can't remember its details |
| 02:48.34 | stew | that would be fam or gamin, but you'd have to subscribe to individual files |
| 02:49.20 | dokma | Skapare: that is exactly what I'm looking for |
| 02:49.20 | Skapare | I believe it allowed monitoring the whole filesystem for new or deleted files ... then individual files for content changes applied to that file |
| 02:49.22 | dvs | Skapare: I still don't think you need to download all the iso images. You need to install just the packages you want on those two machines. |
| 02:50.11 | Skapare | dvs: I think I need to download whatever debootstrap needs per install manual section D.3.3 where it says I can use a file URL for a cdrom |
| 02:50.41 | Skapare | dvs: then download whatever is needed next that I will insert into sources.list |
| 02:50.45 | Bushmills | incronm lets users hook up actions to file system events |
| 02:50.49 | Bushmills | incron |
| 02:51.13 | Skapare | dvs: I can set up a mirror on http, rsync, or have the files mounted ... whatever will make it all happy |
| 02:51.39 | dokma | I just realized I am running the same installation of Debian for 8th year on my Desktop |
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| 02:51.51 | dokma | I've changed the machine 3 times but the install remained the same |
| 02:52.04 | dokma | Find me a win user that can say the same... |
| 02:52.09 | Skapare | dokma: upgraded? |
| 02:52.18 | dvs | Skapare: Your choice. I think one architecture takes up about 200GB of space. |
| 02:52.19 | dokma | upgrading it all the time |
| 02:52.22 | Bushmills | actions can be to append information of those actions to file, which is tail -f monitored |
| 02:52.28 | Skapare | dokma: I still have the same Win98 on the same machine I put it on in 1999 |
| 02:52.44 | Bushmills | of those events, i mean ... |
| 02:52.45 | Skapare | dokma: haven't USED it for at least 3 years :) |
| 02:53.06 | dokma | Skapare: my Desktop is never shutdown and I use it almost every day |
| 02:53.11 | dokma | as I work from home ;) |
| 02:53.29 | dokma | running full LAMP stack and a bunch of other things |
| 02:53.37 | Skapare | dokma: well, of course, how often does one need to shutdown linux |
| 02:53.38 | dokma | Linux is just awesome |
| 02:54.10 | zinx | Skapare: whenever there's a kernel patch |
| 02:54.15 | Skapare | dokma: valid excuses are: hardware change, power outage, and the old "I need practice doing installs with my eyes closed" |
| 02:54.15 | zinx | Skapare: to fix a security issue |
| 02:54.38 | Skapare | zinx: of course ... but that's not frequent |
| 02:54.49 | dokma | Yeah... let's all go on a rampage praising Linux |
| 02:54.56 | dokma | :D |
| 02:55.00 | Skapare | zinx: with Windows, that's weekly ... and Win98 has a feature that forces in every 6 weeks |
| 02:55.52 | stew | Skapare: about every 6 weeks wouldn't be much different than how often might reboot for a new kernel because of security in debian |
| 02:56.28 | stew | there were 8 kernel DSAs in 2010 |
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| 02:57.54 | Skapare | stew: right, but linux won't just up and crash in 6 weeks due to the "how long since boot" timer overflowing because it only has 32 bits to count milliseconds |
| 02:58.42 | Skapare | stew: linux is "how many weeks between security issues" and windows is "how many security issues per week" |
| 02:58.42 | Amacidia | Can anyone provide some advice? Debian Lenny on xserve G4, when we pull the video card the server doesn't seem to boot into debian. |
| 02:58.58 | jordanm | Skapare: see: ksplice |
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| 02:59.05 | stew | Amacidia: "/msg dpkg bootlog"? |
| 02:59.11 | dokma | We don't need to compare Linux to Win... |
| 02:59.23 | dokma | It just debases how great Linux is to compare the two |
| 02:59.33 | Azrael_- | if i do an online resize of a filesystem, how long does it take? |
| 02:59.49 | Skapare | I only mentioned Win98 because an old 400 MHz machine I have tucked away in a closet corner still has Win98 on it |
| 02:59.59 | jordanm | Azrael_-: depends on the size of the filesystem, how much you are extending it, disk performance, etc |
| 03:00.04 | Skapare | on its 5GB HD |
| 03:00.16 | dokma | good old days.... |
| 03:00.23 | dokma | that's when I started messing with linux |
| 03:00.34 | Skapare | and that machine has the only floppy drive I own |
| 03:01.15 | jordanm | Azrael_-: I did recently test sucessfully an online resize of ext3 while performing a lot of writes, and it did work nicely |
| 03:01.17 | stew | Azrael_-: that's going to depend on a lot of stuff. growing an ext3 filesystem by a few gigs is quick. like a couple of seconds |
| 03:01.18 | Azrael_- | jordanm: ok, unforatunately i didn't start it with "-p" to see the progress. dunno when it is stuck but i'm afraid to stop/restart it |
| 03:01.29 | jordanm | Azrael_-: strace it |
| 03:01.35 | Skapare | was messing with Linux since he got a 33 MHz i386 with 4MB RAM and 120MB HD (yeah, MB HD) |
| 03:01.38 | jordanm | I would not recommend stopping it |
| 03:01.42 | Azrael_- | resizing 2,3 to 2,4tb |
| 03:03.05 | jordanm | Azrael_-: strace -vvtf -p <pid> |
| 03:03.58 | Skapare | anyway ... once I have a system installed ... then I can go back to using the network to keep it updated ... but I want the basic install to be doable w/o network access |
| 03:04.28 | jordanm | Skapare: debian offers the entire repository collection on DVD, if offline is the goal |
| 03:04.31 | Skapare | so I only need to download that much of debian ... to do the deboostrap and go up from there to a fully installed system |
| 03:04.48 | Skapare | jordanm: is that the 5 DVDs I see? |
| 03:04.59 | jordanm | Skapare: yes, and one update dvd IIRC |
| 03:05.22 | Skapare | jordanm: I presume all that content (not the update) is in the BD |
| 03:05.42 | Skapare | -rw-r--r-- 19945799680 2010/11/29 02:56:17 5.0.7/amd64/iso-bd/debian-507-amd64-BD-1.iso |
| 03:06.04 | Skapare | that's from rsync://carroll.cac.psu.edu/debian-cd/ |
| 03:06.11 | jordanm | Skapare: I have never used the DVD sets, I am just aware they exist and their purpose... |
| 03:06.12 | Azrael_- | ok, seems to work, it's just slow like hell (raid5 -> lvm -> luks + heavy io) |
| 03:06.12 | Azrael_- | thx |
| 03:06.30 | Skapare | jordanm: you just do the normal install? |
| 03:06.37 | jordanm | Azrael_-: why would you add luks to that? |
| 03:06.48 | jordanm | Skapare: I use netinst, I always have net connection |
| 03:06.57 | Azrael_- | jordanm: encrypted partition |
| 03:07.32 | jordanm | Azrael_-: yes... but why? it sounds like a server, but encryptions main purpose is to prevent access in the case someone has physical access to the drive |
| 03:07.51 | Skapare | jordanm: I have limited bandwidth during day, but nights and weekends, there's lots of bandwidth, unless someone scheduled some data dumps that weekend (none this weekend) |
| 03:08.17 | jordanm | Skapare: then grabbing the DVDs on the weekend may be good choice |
| 03:08.21 | Azrael_- | jordanm: i kno |
| 03:08.22 | Azrael_- | w |
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| 03:08.44 | Azrael_- | this is really funny, it's the first time i try the online resizing and it seems like it works like a charm |
| 03:08.45 | Skapare | jordanm: so if I do a netinstall, it would be best to do it on a weekend ... I'd rather use that time to download the stuff so I can do a "lan" install during the day |
| 03:09.27 | jordanm | Skapare: the DVDs can be mounted and used as a repository. don't recall where the documentation is for that |
| 03:09.28 | Skapare | jordanm: replicating a repository or subset repository is an option ... I have plenty of machines to use at work |
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| 03:10.09 | Skapare | jordanm: I think it's just as simple as "file:///" urls on deboostrap and in sources.list |
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| 03:10.26 | jordanm | Skapare: if you are using locally, there is way for a remote mirror |
| 03:10.33 | ephcon | hey all, I was wondering if anybody here uses footpedals with debian? |
| 03:10.34 | jordanm | Skapare: apt-cdrom can add local cdroms to your sources |
| 03:10.52 | Skapare | ok |
| 03:11.18 | Skapare | well< I was going to d/l the BD image since that would be one mount point instead of five |
| 03:11.39 | Skapare | that or I can just extract all the files from the DVDs |
| 03:12.02 | dvs | Skapare: If you're not going to actually burn the Bluray disc, go ahead. |
| 03:12.02 | rgr | Where does one make a setting to stop gnome-screensaver from changing? I set the cycle period to 0 using gconf-settings and there is no option in the gnome-screensaver-settings dialog. |
| 03:12.22 | rgr | oh ignore that .... was part of the same Apple 2 save.. doh! |
| 03:12.35 | Skapare | dvs: no plan to ... though I might hand it to a VM to see how it behaves for fun |
| 03:12.48 | dvs | heh |
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| 03:13.29 | Skapare | dvs: and I might play around with putting those ISO images on USB memory stricks |
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| 03:15.16 | Skapare | dvs: right now we run Fedora and Ubuntu at work ... and we've decided that both of those are not to our liking |
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| 03:15.39 | dvs | both? actively? |
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| 03:16.34 | Skapare | dvs: both ... I'm looking to see if we can go with one distro |
| 03:16.49 | Skapare | dvs: Debian is my first choice to try out |
| 03:17.07 | Skapare | dvs: so I will have 24 machines to try it out with |
| 03:19.31 | Skapare | heh ... just checked one of "my" machines, and it was in use :) |
| 03:19.48 | dvs | boot them! |
| 03:20.30 | Skapare | well, I don't need them, yet ... the guy using them needs all the machines he can get |
| 03:21.06 | Skapare | I'll remove them from the schedular when I need them ... his jobs are usually done within 24 hours |
| 03:21.20 | Skapare | looks like he has about 700 machines running |
| 03:21.51 | Azrael_- | what jobs? |
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| 03:22.06 | Skapare | sorry, can't say |
| 03:22.24 | Azrael_- | if he only needs the cpu i'll take the left-over storage :) |
| 03:22.35 | Skapare | hehe |
| 03:23.08 | Skapare | some of the other teams are using the big storage servers |
| 03:23.23 | Azrael_- | :( *sniff* |
| 03:23.34 | Skapare | those are the same guys that kill the bandwidth during the day |
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| 03:24.05 | Azrael_- | i know, atm i also max out the speed on most of my lines |
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| 03:24.34 | Skapare | can't wait until they get the gigabit fiber put in |
| 03:24.51 | Skapare | should be this spring |
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| 03:27.54 | Skapare | and we should be getting IPv6 with it, too ... \o/ |
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| 03:39.52 | Amacidia | stew: System doesn't seem to add anything to the boot file, and i turned on logging. Don't think it's making it past yaboot :/ |
| 03:40.16 | stew | Amacidia: you enabled bootlogging? |
| 03:40.30 | stew | Amacidia: wait, not making it past yaboot? i thought it responded to ping? |
| 03:41.15 | Amacidia | stew: yup I did. Yeah it does respond to ping, but I can't ssh into it and nmaping the IP shows nothing running. Yet when I have the video card installed, I can ssh into the system. |
| 03:41.39 | stew | Amacidia: does yaboot configure networking? |
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| 03:42.10 | Amacidia | stew: would that be in the yaboot.conf? if so nope it's not. |
| 03:42.10 | stew | Amacidia: like give it an ip address? |
| 03:42.26 | stew | Amacidia: then it must be making it past yaboot |
| 03:42.31 | stew | Amacidia: can you setup a serial console? |
| 03:43.10 | Amacidia | stew: nope we can't, no serial cable available :/ |
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| 03:44.23 | stew | Amacidia: i'd make sure you aren't asking the kernel to use a framebuffer |
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| 03:45.11 | Amacidia | stew: Any idea how I would go about doing that? |
| 03:45.21 | stew | Amacidia: what is your current kernel command line? |
| 03:45.36 | stew | Amacidia: i'd try passing vga=normal to the kernel |
| 03:48.06 | Amacidia | stew: Hold up just rebooting thanks |
| 03:50.32 | Amacidia | stew: Where can I confirm our current kernel command line? yaboot.conf? |
| 03:50.47 | stew | Amacidia: cat /proc/cmdline |
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| 03:51.42 | Amacidia | stew: root=/dev/hde3 ro |
| 03:52.21 | stew | ok, then that is probably not the problem |
| 03:52.30 | stew | unless the initrd is trying to setup a framebuffer perhaps |
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| 03:54.21 | Amacidia | stew: :/ |
| 03:55.05 | stew | Amacidia: NOTHING gets logged when you boot? |
| 03:55.26 | stew | even afer turning on boot logging? |
| 03:55.53 | stew | if this is the case, I'd really think the problem must be in the initrd |
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| 04:05.13 | Amacidia | stew: yeah nothing gets added. funny thing is, the drive activity light goes crazy, and doesn't stop |
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| 04:07.40 | al4Nc4Ds | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC |
| 04:07.42 | al4Nc4Ds | r0x |
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| 04:14.23 | Amacidia | i could cry like a little monkey right now lol |
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| 04:16.30 | stew | Amacidia: this really screams out for a serial cable |
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| 04:17.10 | stew | or for just leaving the video card in |
| 04:17.58 | shachaf | Is there a reasonably way of getting gcc 4.4 working on Lenny? |
| 04:19.01 | stew | shachaf: create a squeeze chroot? |
| 04:19.41 | rgr | well, "plymouth" is a reasonable attempt but like some others severely lacking. It kicks in about half way through the boot process rendering it pretty much a waste of time considering its purpose is to hide all the boot fluff. |
| 04:20.22 | Amacidia | stew: Hey stew, we need the video card for other xserve nodes :/ |
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| 04:21.37 | shachaf | stew: I want to compile a package that links against Lenny's version of libc. |
| 04:21.53 | setuid | I threw together a quick survey about cloud-based storage (specific to how we manage our data in the cloud, from Linux and other machines)... I'd love to hear some responses: https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dExuZHg2dnFaTW1PMFE0Qk53OU00OWc6MQ |
| 04:21.56 | setuid | I'm building a Debian-based solution to fill the voids in the above cloud niche |
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| 04:22.06 | setuid | If I've missed any obvious answers or questions that should go on the form, please let me know (here or via the email address on the form itself) |
| 04:22.07 | shachaf | stew: But it would be nice to be able to compile it with gcc 4.4 |
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| 04:25.53 | stew | shachaf: i have no idea how involved or possible it might be to backport. have you looked? |
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| 04:27.13 | shachaf | stew: Not beyond seeing that there isn't a backport already. |
| 04:27.31 | shachaf | stew: It'll probably be easier to port the program to gcc 4.3 than to backport gcc 4.4 to Lenny. :-) |
| 04:28.21 | stew | setuid: what does "in the cloud" mean? |
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| 04:28.38 | stew | or "cloud" for that matter |
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| 04:30.23 | shachaf | Water in the sky. It's insane. Just doesn't belong there. |
| 04:32.08 | stew | setuid: is it possible that anyone doesn't reasonably check all the boxes under "What do you store today?" |
| 04:34.07 | setuid | stew, Very possible |
| 04:34.18 | setuid | There's a recent discovery that Dropbox has a major security issue lurking |
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| 04:34.28 | setuid | They only ever store 1 copy of every file... -across all users- |
| 04:34.53 | setuid | The reason they gain their speed/sync advantages, is due to that fact |
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| 04:35.15 | stew | setuid: there would be people that say no to "I store data" ? |
| 04:35.20 | zinx | setuid: ... i'm not entirely sure how that's an issue, unless you can somehow change that file for all users, which would be a bad implementation |
| 04:35.39 | setuid | So if you upload debian-1.2.3.iso put it somewhere in your Dropbox folder, and I happen to upload the same iso image to MY dropbox, I'm actually pointing to, downloading and referencing YOUR file. |
| 04:35.50 | stew | what is a dropbox? |
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| 04:36.06 | setuid | zinx, It means they're scanning, checksumming and replicating blocks of YOUR data into OTHER USER'S Dropbox folders |
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| 04:36.22 | zinx | setuid: ... ok, i still don't see how that's an issue |
| 04:36.31 | zinx | setuid: if you already have the file, you're not getting any extra data |
| 04:36.41 | setuid | For a public iso image, it isn't.. but what about company confidential documents? |
| 04:37.09 | setuid | What it means, is there is no file-level or filesystem level security, adn that at some level, a higher-order process has access to the entire complement of user data, across all users |
| 04:37.17 | shachaf | setuid: If two people have the same document, why does it matter? Assuming you trust Dropbox. |
| 04:37.20 | zinx | setuid: if you already have the file, you're not getting any extra data. if you don't, i would presume that you don't get the data at all :/ |
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| 04:37.49 | setuid | The point is that your private data is exposed to other users, via the sharing and comparing of the checksums and blocks of that data |
| 04:37.50 | zinx | setuid: yeah, so? the kernel has access to all files anyway. |
| 04:38.02 | zinx | setuid: you haven't explained yet how it is exposed |
| 04:38.10 | shachaf | setuid: How is it exposed? |
| 04:38.11 | setuid | zinx, the kernel has privileged read access to all the files, explicit, not implicit |
| 04:39.16 | setuid | Ok, let's say I put 1,000 files into my local dropbox folder. The dropbox agent (python code using librsync under the hood) checksums the entire body of files, and compares that to -every file across every user- in all of Dropbox, before copying the data upstream or across to my own machines. |
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| 04:40.07 | setuid | On one part of their website, they claim that your data is inaccessible to anyone without the account password... but in another place, they openly state that they only ever store 1 copy of every file. |
| 04:40.18 | pom | I have these interfaces/ips up; http://pastie.org/1488974 . I couple of minutes ago I was about to move .21 and .22 to another machine. I had them up on that machine but decided to abort that for tonight. Now I can't get this first machine to answer on calls to .21 and .22. What might I have missed? |
| 04:40.19 | shachaf | setuid: ...It's your data. |
| 04:40.26 | setuid | it's great from a dedupe/capacity planning perspective, but not from a security perspective |
| 04:40.40 | shachaf | setuid: What's the security vulnerability, exactly? |
| 04:40.42 | zinx | setuid: implemented properly, it's not a security problem at all. sorry. |
| 04:41.02 | zinx | setuid: unless you're saying it's not implemented properly, i'm going to ignore you now :/ |
| 04:41.07 | shachaf | setuid: Nothing is exposed to other users. It's exposed to Dropbox, but if you don't trust your backup service you should use something other than Dropbox anyway. |
| 04:41.09 | setuid | shachaf, I think you've missed the point... I'm using YOUR files and YOUR data, if I happen to wish to put some files of the same checksum into my personal, local, secured (locally, via encrypted $HOME) Dropbox folder. |
| 04:41.32 | zinx | setuid: a proper implementation actually compares the data if the checksum matches |
| 04:41.43 | zinx | setuid: i would be *VERY* surprised if dropbox did not do this |
| 04:41.49 | setuid | zinx, Exactly, now you've hit the nail on the head |
| 04:42.01 | shachaf | setuid: Wait, you're suggesting a checksum collision? |
| 04:42.10 | stew | people shouldn't be using dropbox in the first place |
| 04:42.15 | zinx | setuid: are you saying dropbox definitely does not do this, or are you making shit up? |
| 04:42.19 | setuid | And so at some point, the actual data (not just the checksums) resides in memory, accessible to a hypervisor (which is EC3 in Dropbox's case) that other nodes can potentially expose. |
| 04:42.21 | stew | its not legal |
| 04:42.38 | zinx | setuid: ..... |
| 04:42.47 | zinx | setuid: you're an idiot. i'm ignoring you. kthx bai. |
| 04:42.52 | shachaf | setuid: You care about the fact that *Dropbox* can access you data? |
| 04:43.00 | shachaf | setuid: If you care about this sort of thing, use tarsnap. |
| 04:43.01 | stew | zinx: please keep it civil |
| 04:43.17 | zinx | stew: i tried to, but he keeps going on about "omg my backup service can access my data" |
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| 04:43.56 | setuid | shachaf, I care about the fact that it's possible that a flaw in their replication can expose my data to other users, or potentially induce checksum collisions (remember, rsync uses md4, not md5 or sha1sum), so unless they're adding more checksumming or data checking, it's obvious there's a problem. |
| 04:44.02 | stew | zinx: in the future, just use ignore, don't bother annoucing it or calling people names. |
| 04:44.16 | stew | setuid: please just take this elsewhere |
| 04:44.18 | setuid | But every time anyone asks for actual technical details from Dropbox, they get hand-waving "It's not a problem, move along" kind of dismissive answers. |
| 04:44.24 | stew | setuid: its software that is illegal to use in the first place |
| 04:44.28 | setuid | stew: I'll drop it |
| 04:44.38 | setuid | stew, Illegal? Where? |
| 04:44.42 | stew | anywhere |
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| 04:44.54 | stew | their own license terms disallow using it with the libraries it ships with |
| 04:45.08 | setuid | You mean the librsync code? |
| 04:45.26 | setuid | I'm a bit miffed that they ship the precompiled python objects, in a secured zip, but not the python code itself |
| 04:45.29 | setuid | Anyway, I'll drop it |
| 04:45.39 | stew | setuid: it depends on openssl |
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| 04:46.13 | setuid | I'm listening |
| 04:46.35 | stew | setuid: name some of the promenint licenses that cover the code it uses |
| 04:47.01 | shachaf | stew: What, the advertising clause? |
| 04:47.13 | stew | shachaf: yes, the advertising clause |
| 04:47.23 | stew | or the clause that specifically says "not GPL" |
| 04:47.33 | setuid | LGPL and PSF right off the top |
| 04:47.59 | stew | there you go |
| 04:48.33 | setuid | PSF is GPL-compatiblel |
| 04:48.40 | setuid | I'm missing the "illegal" bit though |
| 04:49.05 | shachaf | stew: Hmm, I didn't realize that. |
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| 04:49.29 | setuid | LGPL != GPL, so that's a non-issue |
| 04:50.07 | setuid | I got wedged with that in one of my projects (pilot-link), because I wanted to make sure all contributions remained public, but because one of the key libraries remained LGPL, I couldn't |
| 04:50.17 | setuid | So changing the license became impossible, even though I'm the maintainer |
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| 04:50.58 | stew | setuid: anyway, most of dropbox is GPL, and has no openssl exception. this is enough to make it so that you can't use it |
| 04:51.03 | stew | setuid: if you do, you violate the GPL |
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| 04:51.20 | stew | setuid: also makes it illegal for debian to distribute, which is why it is no longer in debian |
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| 04:51.48 | setuid | That much I'll agree with, but what exception does it need for openssl? |
| 04:52.20 | stew | well, not that its illegal for you to use, per-se, but it is illegal for them to be giving away binaries |
| 04:52.37 | stew | setuid: google for gpl and openssl |
| 04:52.50 | setuid | Is that why they try to skirt aorund that by making nautilus download the actual code |
| 04:53.14 | stew | no |
| 04:53.51 | setuid | Yep, ok, this seems to itemize and clarify it: http://forums.dropbox.com/topic.php?id=31357 |
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| 04:53.53 | setuid | Now I'm clear |
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| 04:56.33 | stew | setuid: your questionaire still doesn't make sense to me in a lot of parts |
| 04:56.46 | stew | setuid: are there really people that don't locally store data? |
| 04:57.14 | stew | or that don't locally store applications? |
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| 04:59.41 | setuid | stew, yes, thousands |
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| 04:59.50 | setuid | stew and growing larger every day |
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| 04:59.58 | Some_Person | Isn't this ridiculous? http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/110/networksb.png |
| 05:00.03 | Some_Person | That's a scan for wifi networks from my bed. No wonder I have interference problems |
| 05:00.10 | setuid | Look at the ipad... millions of users, and the device has no local filesystem, so they store their data in evernote, dropbox, etc. |
| 05:00.41 | stew | setuid: so if i run an ipad application, its not from local storage? |
| 05:00.47 | setuid | Some_Person, Pick a non-overlapping channel, or set your hardware to non-US channels |
| 05:01.02 | setuid | stew, In most cases, yes, that's true. |
| 05:01.05 | stew | oh |
| 05:01.13 | Some_Person | setuid: WIth that many networks, all channels are overlapped by something, and my router doesn't support that |
| 05:01.19 | setuid | You may be running the app from the flash on the ipad, but the data is not always stored on the device itself |
| 05:01.24 | stew | so if i lose network connectivity on an ipad i cannot run any apps? |
| 05:01.36 | setuid | stew, Yes, with many apps that's true |
| 05:01.49 | setuid | Many apps are moving to the "data elsewhere" model, where the app itself is just a simple "viewer" with some caching |
| 05:02.05 | setuid | iphone apps are like that, and lots of desktop apps are heading the same direction |
| 05:02.10 | stew | and the app itself isn't even stored locally? |
| 05:02.39 | setuid | The app is installed locally, yes, of course, but it may just be a link to a web'ified version of the app stored on a vendor's server somewhere |
| 05:02.58 | setuid | Like Evernote for BlackBerry for example, is a simple little viewer that wraps the mobile version of Evernote's website |
| 05:02.59 | stew | setuid: so who would answer no to the "i don't store applications" question? |
| 05:03.32 | setuid | stew, Lots of "dataless" knowledgeworkers would... to drag around some buzzwords |
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| 05:03.41 | stew | ok |
| 05:03.46 | stew | setuid: what is "cloud storage"? |
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| 05:04.10 | setuid | I'm on a few mailing lists dedicated to paperless (analog -> digital conversion) lifestyles, OCR'ing documents, photographing recepts and sending them to Google Docs, etc. |
| 05:04.25 | Some_Person | And yes, those seemingly duplicate networks are actually separate networks :o |
| 05:04.32 | stew | yeah, obviously all those people store applications |
| 05:04.41 | setuid | stew: cloud storage is like Amazon's S3 or Dropbox or iDisk or similar services. WAN based disk storage, as opposed to LAN-based (i..e in your office or home) |
| 05:05.13 | stew | so just seperated by a router? |
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| 05:05.39 | setuid | Something outside your physical control/network/access, yes. |
| 05:05.52 | stew | oh wait, i need to not control it? |
| 05:05.59 | setuid | Yep |
| 05:06.02 | stew | or access it? |
| 05:06.05 | stew | this is sounding crazy |
| 05:06.12 | setuid | You don't have access to the physical storage, correct |
| 05:06.34 | setuid | You are a consumer of it's capacity, but you don't manage it (power, ping, network, disks, upgrades, backups, etc.) |
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| 05:06.58 | setuid | Calling it "cloud storage" is a bit of a misnomer, it's just SAN, really |
| 05:07.22 | setuid | But everyone loves the word 'cloud', and they know what it means (nebulous storage/services "out there somewhere" that they pay to access) |
| 05:07.39 | stew | a san that isn't on your local network? |
| 05:07.58 | stew | seems like a contradiction |
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| 05:11.59 | stew | so if data "in the cloud", in your definition is "WAN based disk storage, as opposed to LAN-based". who would possibly answer "Work LAN network" to the question "How are you accessing your data in the cloud/" |
| 05:13.02 | setuid | Meaning, they're at work, and accessing their personal (or professional?) data via some cloud storage provider. |
| 05:13.06 | stew | heh, actually the answer is "Work LAN network (DS3, T1, frame relay, etc.)". but the parenthesis contains all things that are NOT LAN |
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| 05:13.30 | setuid | stew, They're LAN-based connections to the outside world, but I can remove them if it's confusing |
| 05:14.03 | setuid | Just removed them |
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| 05:19.55 | spersaud | how do I fix audio ? |
| 05:20.00 | spersaud | debian squeeze |
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| 05:20.51 | setuid | spersaud, By first describing what's not working or "broken" with your implementation of it |
| 05:21.11 | spersaud | setuid: sound is not working |
| 05:21.20 | spersaud | alsa is installed |
| 05:21.48 | spersaud | where do I begin ? |
| 05:22.02 | spersaud | its an intel sound card |
| 05:22.12 | setuid | Begin with the logs, and kernel modules |
| 05:23.23 | duxklr | Google for linux, your sound card, etc. |
| 05:23.39 | duxklr | More the likely there is document how to set it up. |
| 05:24.47 | spersaud | [ 3563.869808] hda-intel: IRQ timing workaround is activated for card #0. Suggest a bigger bdl_pos_adj. |
| 05:24.58 | spersaud | thats from dmesg |
| 05:25.03 | stew | spersaud: show us the output of "amixer" in a pastebin. and tell us if "speaker-test" works or gives an error or gives sound or not |
| 05:25.10 | stew | spersaud: or if aplay wokrs |
| 05:25.55 | stew | aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav perhaps |
| 05:26.14 | spersaud | stew: speaker-test is not giving sound |
| 05:26.36 | setuid | Are the speakers muted? Check aumix and verify |
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| 05:27.03 | stew | not aumix for alsa, amixer or alsamixer |
| 05:28.02 | spersaud | http://pastebin.com/Fu6YEPuM |
| 05:28.54 | spersaud | samferry: smartbai lol |
| 05:29.41 | stew | that looks fine |
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| 05:30.56 | stew | spersaud: you are trying to use analog output not spdif, right? |
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| 05:31.34 | spersaud | stew: ?? |
| 05:31.46 | nvz | I take that as a yes |
| 05:31.56 | stew | i do as well |
| 05:32.27 | nvz | SPDIF seems like one of those things that nobody really ever uses anyhow |
| 05:32.34 | stew | does |
| 05:33.01 | nvz | I'm one of those people who doesn't notice the difference in quality for the most part from one thing to the next |
| 05:33.09 | stew | i don't either |
| 05:33.26 | stew | its one cable to deliver 5 channels though |
| 05:33.35 | spersaud | stew: I think it works now, one of the channels was down in alsamixer |
| 05:34.01 | nvz | yeah I guess less is more when it comes to wiring up big audio |
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| 05:35.46 | nvz | wow I probably got a crapload of updates pending.. wonder why my updater applet isn't bitching at me |
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| 05:38.58 | nvz | NEXT.. hah. I tried to sleep, and failed.. bring on the issues.. I got absolutely nothing better to do.. |
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| 05:40.39 | nvz | figures.. gonna be all quiet in here.. I'll just sit here and sip my juice then.. maybe go fetch my power cord.. got a feeling I'm gonna be sitting here doing nothing for awhile |
| 05:40.43 | setuid | stew, http://fak3r.com/2009/09/14/howto-build-your-own-open-source-dropbox-clone/ |
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| 05:45.18 | nvz | xk: my clock is wrong.. heh |
| 05:45.31 | nvz | an hour fast I believe |
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| 05:49.12 | setuid | nvz, ntpdate time.nist.gov --hwclock --systohc |
| 05:49.17 | setuid | er... |
| 05:49.26 | setuid | ntpdate time.nist.gov && hwclock --systohc |
| 05:50.19 | nvz | yeah I know how.. but a carpenter never fixes his house.. |
| 05:50.47 | nvz | its been that way for months |
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| 05:52.18 | paq7512 | why is there so many dvds? can i just use dvd one to install? |
| 05:52.46 | nvz | I'm not sure if it drifted that far or what.. I think its exactly an hour off, so it was probably some GMT/DST kinda thing. Its caused me to have a false sense of urgency once or twice.. and can't really complain about that.. I am a professional procrastinator |
| 05:53.04 | nvz | paq7512: yes you can |
| 05:53.35 | nvz | paq7512: the DVD/CDs are the ENTIRE repo. they are ordered by popularity (the packages) and the first CD or DVD is enough for a standard install |
| 05:53.53 | nvz | more than enough actually |
| 05:54.33 | stew | nvz: don't use ntpdate, just install ntp |
| 05:54.50 | paq7512 | i just started using linux (ubuntu) what is a good reason to switch to debian? |
| 05:55.02 | stew | paq7512: its free |
| 05:55.08 | stew | paq7512: or /msg dpkg why debian |
| 05:55.27 | stew | paq7512: if your ubuntu system works, their might not be a good reason to switch |
| 05:55.47 | stew | (might not be a non-idealogical one) |
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| 05:55.56 | nvz | stew: I will probably not do anything about it.. heh. I came here to help other people. I really don't care about my clock.. I know its an hour off.. thats good enough for me. xk did a ctcp time on me, thats the only reason I mentioned it |
| 05:56.40 | nvz | paq7512: there is little reason to switch, but debian has a slower more thorough release cycle which could mean more stability |
| 05:57.52 | Erimos_Wolf | Has anyone experience with a jabber (XMPP-Protocol) Server on Debian Lenny? |
| 05:58.36 | nvz | paq7512: I never liked the bastard children of debian, but ubuntu shares a lot of debian developers and is a nice distro thats got some additional user friendly componants by default.. |
| 05:59.04 | setuid | Ubuntu... from the ancient African word that means: "Can't install Debian" :) |
| 05:59.10 | nvz | lol |
| 05:59.23 | nvz | erm.. damn.. been away from here too long |
| 05:59.33 | nvz | the intarwebs got me saying lol again |
| 05:59.50 | setuid | turns 40 in a few months, and I haven't ever used 'lol' once, ever. |
| 06:00.01 | setuid | I'll be damned if my daughter starts using that stuff |
| 06:00.10 | paq7512 | should i use ubuntu for a while more till i get more comfortable with linux or is debian nearly the same (ease of use) as ubuntu? |
| 06:00.35 | setuid | paq7512, at the UI level, it's all pretty close to the same thing... it's the engine-under-the-hood that's different |
| 06:00.58 | stew | paq7512: ease of use wise, ubuntu is easier. under the hood they are basically the same |
| 06:01.32 | nvz | paq7512: its very similar.. the big issue I see is the community. Debian has been around longer and has a huge community of users and developers and most of the places like this where you will get help can't or won't support derivatives |
| 06:01.33 | setuid | Ubuntu is for your mom, Debian is for your dad |
| 06:01.35 | setuid | :) |
| 06:01.45 | stew | setuid: uhh, please stop |
| 06:02.09 | setuid | It's true... moms just want to get to the point, directions, answers... dads want to take stuff apart and put it back together in the garage. |
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| 06:02.29 | stew | setuid: take a 10 minute break |
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| 06:02.50 | nvz | paq7512: personally I hate when people either want me to support ubuntu or have me unknowingly doing it.. cause I can support debian fairly reliably as a long time user.. |
| 06:03.11 | nvz | I have no idea what ubuntu people do with their packages and what different issues may arise using ubuntu |
| 06:03.39 | stew | lets just please stick to debian |
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| 06:04.23 | Some_Person | ubuntu for the most part works the same way as debian. supporting both probably isn't a big problem |
| 06:04.34 | paq7512 | is 5.08 stable? |
| 06:04.55 | stew | paq7512: yes |
| 06:04.58 | nvz | it may not be to some people, but most of us around here its a big deal if for no other reason than they have their own channel.. we do debian here |
| 06:05.48 | nvz | thats why I came here tonight. I know debian pretty well, bored outta my mind.. offering support.. for debian. not ubuntu, or I'd be in #ubuntu. |
| 06:05.50 | stew | Some_Person: yes, we really only intend to support debian here, and discussions about ubuntu here are pretty much always non-productive anyway |
| 06:06.19 | Some_Person | Does the debian community have a kind of anti-ubuntu sentiment? |
| 06:06.40 | spersaud | Some_Person: yes |
| 06:06.41 | stew | Some_Person: not at all, many core debian devlopers are core ubuntu devleopers |
| 06:07.07 | Some_Person | But yeah, I can understand not wanting to support users of another distro in here |
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| 06:07.18 | nvz | I just think its hard for some people to understand how difficult it is to keep quality support for another distro |
| 06:07.46 | Some_Person | #ubuntu really is a pain to get support in though because of the large mass of users |
| 06:07.56 | nvz | they take debian packages, and they can break any of our policies, change anything.. and there is really no way I as a debian user can confidently support those packages |
| 06:08.17 | Some_Person | Right, I get that |
| 06:08.24 | stew | in these channels, discussion about other distros is rarely productive. case in point, we just had someone saying "ubuntu is for people that don't know what they are doing, and by that I mean women" |
| 06:08.28 | nvz | and its unfair to people who want debian support and are in a debian channel |
| 06:08.39 | stew | i'm sure in #ubuntu you have users saying equally untrue and unproductive false statments |
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| 06:09.20 | nvz | hah. sexist comments? wow.. I thought we were so over that by now |
| 06:09.59 | nvz | but then again, it is sunday morning |
| 06:10.35 | nvz | that just goes to show how bored I am, to have come here knowing its sunday |
| 06:11.11 | nvz | stew: whats the status with the bots in here? I haven't been around in awhile |
| 06:11.42 | Some_Person | I only switched to debian and joined this community 2 days ago, so excuse me not knowing much about how things go here |
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| 06:12.09 | stew | dpkg is dpkg, apt is quiet and logs, judd is good for "judd: versions packagename" or "judd info packagename release" |
| 06:12.09 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, stew |
| 06:12.18 | nvz | Some_Person: yeah well if you're into this stuff, its rather addicting.. you accidentally lear a lot in here |
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| 06:12.27 | stew | obviously dpkg is still good at being snarky |
| 06:12.52 | paq7512 | can someone paste a link to 5.0.8 dvd torrent? |
| 06:12.56 | nvz | ah I just know dpkg has downtime and I didn't know if it was all still the same |
| 06:13.13 | stew | i no longer even have a way to bring aptitude here, but them*ll has a bot he can bring in when dpkg goes on holiday |
| 06:13.36 | stew | which is dselect |
| 06:14.16 | nvz | paq7512: http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 06:14.17 | nsadmin | ohgawd... the horror that is dselect |
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| 06:14.35 | nvz | paq7512: find it there, because you would need to select your architecture and a local mirror |
| 06:14.40 | Some_Person | I like how y'all have bots named after various commands |
| 06:15.06 | nvz | Some_Person: the bots are a great tool. I use em all the time.. sometimes I come on just to ask them something I forgot |
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| 06:15.48 | nvz | most of them though you have to be in a channel with them or they will not respond |
| 06:16.39 | Some_Person | paq7512: I don't think the 5.0.8 images are released yet |
| 06:17.23 | Some_Person | For a while at least, I'll likely accidentally use ubottu commands in here |
| 06:17.24 | nvz | it would be a very small update I'm sure from 507 to 508 |
| 06:17.57 | nsadmin | paq7512: so images are snapshots of a specific point in time, they become useless when the next point release happens |
| 06:18.05 | nvz | and it would be all security updates, so if you weren't online to get the updates you're not online to get hacked either.. so.. heh |
| 06:18.44 | nsadmin | would the security updates even make it to the non-security archive? |
| 06:19.00 | nvz | uh, no |
| 06:19.17 | nsadmin | so they won't be on the image either? |
| 06:19.22 | nvz | as I recall there is only one security mirror for security reasons |
| 06:20.15 | nvz | wouldnt want minor descrepencies across multiple security mirrors |
| 06:20.22 | nsadmin | the guy donating that bandwidth is being pummelled then |
| 06:20.40 | nvz | not really.. security updates are small typically |
| 06:21.16 | nvz | I mean I havent updated since hell probably 504 and I didn't pull that much just now. |
| 06:22.27 | nsadmin | so not only does he not need an image but it wouldn't do him any good for the stated purpose? |
| 06:22.49 | nvz | there was a stated purpose? |
| 06:23.01 | nsadmin | paq7512: this is one box you're upgrading? |
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| 06:23.36 | nvz | I thought he was using ubuntu as of right now and was considering switching to debian |
| 06:24.05 | Some_Person | paq7512: What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 06:24.28 | paq7512 | just test debian |
| 06:24.34 | paq7512 | on vbox |
| 06:25.18 | nsadmin | paq7512: is said vbox on the net? |
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| 06:25.24 | nvz | paq7512: if you have a fast connection, simplest thing to do is to use a netinstall |
| 06:25.37 | nvz | paq7512: downloading a CD/DVD ISO is a waste of time |
| 06:26.01 | paq7512 | okay |
| 06:26.04 | nsadmin | and bandwidth, especially the bandwidth donated by mirror owners |
| 06:26.16 | nvz | paq7512: the netinstall itself comes with base, the business card is without base.. and pulls everything from a mirror |
| 06:26.41 | nvz | paq7512: either way you'll be getting the latest packages that way and only downloading what you're gonna use and not a bunch of extra |
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| 06:27.08 | Some_Person | (assuming you're installing only once) |
| 06:27.17 | nvz | nsadmin: thats not an issue since he asked about torrents |
| 06:27.21 | nsadmin | if not, make a proxy |
| 06:27.52 | nvz | torrents spare the mirror bandwidth anyhow |
| 06:28.04 | nvz | more so than even a netinstall |
| 06:29.00 | Some_Person | Why is mirror bandwidth so important here? How does that work? |
| 06:29.02 | nsadmin | well they might if enough folks are being a peer for the image and the mirror site itself is not participating in the torrent |
| 06:29.34 | nsadmin | then the mirror is totally uninvolved |
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| 06:29.47 | nvz | Some_Person: its not really important per-se.. its just that all the stuff is donated for no cost, so its just being a nice guy considering the load on other people |
| 06:30.32 | thepro4ever | i want to install these version of mumble, http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/mumble which is 1.2.2.6 on squeeze, however i use debian lenny which defaults to 1.1.1.4 when using apt-get, how can i install the 1.2.2.6? |
| 06:30.33 | Some_Person | Now I feel a bit bad for having wget'd several debian images :-| |
| 06:30.56 | thepro4ever | i want to install this version of mumble, http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/mumble which is 1.2.2.6 on squeeze, however i use debian lenny which defaults to 1.1.1.4 when using apt-get, how can i install the 1.2.2.6? |
| 06:31.26 | nvz | Some_Person: haha, I wouldn't worry about it.. I don't do it.. but thats cause I've learned its a waste of my time.. and cds.. I rarely use them more than once and end up needing newer ones by time I do need em again |
| 06:32.21 | nvz | Some_Person: netinstall or business card images are the way to go.. netinstall is nice cause unlike the business card, base is on the image so you can get into a running debian system without needing a net connection if need be.. |
| 06:33.01 | nvz | Some_Person: the installer has limited tools (busybox) and trying to get a network interface that it doesnt support up and running from there is harder than from a system with a base-install already on it that can boot on its own |
| 06:33.48 | nvz | thepro4ever: what is your need for the newer version? |
| 06:33.57 | Sary | speaking of which , Our project "Sabily" is based on Ubuntu .. i still don't no why! i've wrote to the project administrator days ago , but haven't get a response yet , Basically I'm trying to convince them to contribute the project straight to Debian base for a whole lot of reasons .. so right now , i am trying to figure out how could i do it myself! any advise would be much appreciated. |
| 06:34.00 | Some_Person | Except I thought I had 2 amd64 machines to install on, so the netinstall would waste time, but it turns out I had one. But I will be using the i386 image on a second machine |
| 06:34.04 | nvz | thepro4ever: have you checked backports for the newer version? |
| 06:34.13 | thepro4ever | nvz: i think a server i am trying to connect to is rejecting my connection because of my mumble version |
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| 06:34.42 | thepro4ever | nvz: i downloaded the deb package from that site for the newer mumble, do you think that will work? how can I run the deb package? |
| 06:34.56 | nvz | thepro4ever: hmm.. Idk what mumble is, but its a possibility I suppose. I'm just trying to make a point that mixing is messy and not a good idea. |
| 06:35.12 | nvz | thepro4ever: there is probably a better option that will cause you less issues |
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| 06:36.29 | nvz | thepro4ever: there is a 1.1.8 in lenny-backports |
| 06:36.35 | nvz | thepro4ever: will that suit your need? |
| 06:37.02 | streuner | judd, what are you? |
| 06:37.15 | nvz | is there another way to scroll in irssi without using my pgup/pgdn keys? |
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| 06:37.37 | nvz | on this netbook that requires my fn key which is being VERY tempermental right now |
| 06:38.12 | nvz | ah no biggie.. it seems to be working just a lil sticky or something.. |
| 06:38.32 | Some_Person | thepro4ever: Try the version in backports first. If it doesn't help, and the dependencies are ok, you can try the deb package with "dpkg --install /path/to/package", though mixing it in probably isn't a good idea |
| 06:38.55 | nvz | thepro4ever: the issue with mixing is, it fundamentally breaks your package system in ways you won't even begin to understand if you're asking this question. The backport package will not break anything |
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| 06:39.49 | jmarsden | nvz: You could define some other key combination to emit whatever PgUp and PgDn sent, using .inputrc, if you need to. |
| 06:39.57 | streuner | nvrz: does judd work for you? |
| 06:40.22 | nvz | Sary: are you asking how to get a package into official debian repos? |
| 06:40.42 | streuner | nvz: does judd work for you? |
| 06:41.02 | nvz | streuner: not responding to a /msg |
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| 06:41.10 | streuner | hm |
| 06:41.13 | Amacidia | stew: Thanks for the advice tonight. Couldn't figure it out but should be at it again soon :/ |
| 06:41.35 | streuner | themill; judd doesnt respond... |
| 06:42.14 | nvz | streuner: you came online to talk to judd? heh |
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| 06:42.55 | streuner | nvz: sure, iam bored, what else can be so interesting to talk to a bot then? :-P |
| 06:43.02 | nvz | jmarsden: ah.. I think I got the keyboard fixed now.. |
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| 06:43.27 | nvz | streuner: I'm bored too. hence why I came here on a sunday morning.. heh.. but I'm not bored enough to talk to a bot |
| 06:43.38 | nvz | If I were, I'd dig out earlphi |
| 06:43.52 | nvz | streuner: ever seen earlphi? |
| 06:44.28 | nvz | streuner: was an old DOS program similar in some ways to eliza, but it was an artificial insanity.. acted like a chatroom full of crazy people |
| 06:44.43 | Sary | nvz, Yes , that's the 1 move , the 2nd would be moving the whole distro to Debian base. |
| 06:45.59 | nvz | Sary: I don't follow the 2nd part.. but to get something into debian stable (assuming you or none of your devs are Debian Developers) you would need someone to sponsor your package |
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| 06:46.18 | Sary | nvz, a clue en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabily |
| 06:46.24 | nvz | Sary: you might want to read the new maintainers guide, and look for a debian mentor |
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| 06:47.02 | nvz | Sary: so its an arabic debian derived distro? |
| 06:47.11 | wad | I do "apt-get update", then "apt-get upgrade", and one of the packages it wants to upgrade, I don't want it to touch. I've made some customizations to it. How can I permanently remove it from being upgradable? |
| 06:47.37 | wad | s/remove/prevent/ |
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| 06:48.30 | streuner | nvz: look at the smiley at the end of the sentence... |
| 06:48.49 | Sary | nvz, will read the new " maintainers" .. about the packages sponsor , someone .. like anyone? |
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| 06:49.02 | streuner | nvz: i needed judd in order to tell some person about mumble... |
| 06:50.02 | nvz | Sary: the way debian packages go, is only Debian Developers have access to the package mirror, and to become one or have a package submitted you require a Debian Developer to sponsor your package or be a mentor who actually uploads the package on your behalf |
| 06:50.12 | streuner | but packages.debian.org/mumble should do almost the same |
| 06:50.34 | nvz | streuner: there are other bots in here y'know |
| 06:50.41 | Sary | nvz, it's an islamic project , and yes it should be a debian derived distro. |
| 06:50.55 | Sary | nvz, ah , got you on that. |
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| 06:51.38 | nvz | Sary: so what really is your goal, if its a distro all of its own, you just wanna switch it to use a debian base instead of an ubuntu base, or you wanna merge your arabic packages into debian itself? |
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| 06:53.39 | Sary | nvz, i think switching will do it. |
| 06:54.20 | nvz | well that really requires no debian involvement that I can see.. just need your project developers to pull debian packages into your distro |
| 06:54.33 | nvz | Sary: ^ |
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| 06:55.05 | nvz | Sary: sounds like a bad idea to me unless you've got a reason for it.. |
| 06:55.52 | nvz | Sary: I say that because if your whole distro depends currently on an ubuntu base, its likely to cause SEVERE breakage and bugs to pop up everywhere even after the package breaks are fixed if it currently works using ubuntu base |
| 06:56.53 | nvz | Sary: if your real goal is to be more "Debian" you may consider just looking to merge your additional islamic packages into debian, and forward all your language support packages to Debian Developers |
| 06:57.11 | nvz | Personally I am unaware if Debian has good arabic language support currently |
| 06:57.26 | nvz | cause I know absolutely nothing about the language itself |
| 06:57.54 | sterna | it's right-to-left i think |
| 06:58.05 | nvz | that would be more than I know |
| 06:58.24 | nvz | it looks like squiggly lines with dots on it.. thats about as far as I understand it |
| 06:58.26 | Sary | nvz, it does support Arabic , |
| 06:58.32 | nvz | looks rather beautiful actually |
| 06:58.48 | nvz | but it makes absolutely no sense to me.. heh |
| 06:59.12 | bintut | i'm planning to add the full path /var/www/html/project-one/dir1/dir2/*.swf to my php apc.ini's apc.filters directive so that all the files with an extension of .swf should not be cached.. what is the correct way to have it comply to POSIX extended regular expressions? |
| 06:59.29 | nvz | Sary: I just don't understand why you're looking to change it |
| 06:59.31 | bintut | what i did was -^\/var\/www\/html\/project-one\/dir1\/dir2\/*\.swf$ but i'm not sure if it really works properly or not.. |
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| 07:00.13 | nvz | bintut: did you forward this question to a PHP channel? |
| 07:01.03 | nvz | bintut: that WOULD be a good idea.. since those people surely know about PHP where as its hit or miss in here.. and in my case, a miss |
| 07:01.15 | bintut | nvz: yes. but no response yet. though, it should be a generic regex pattern |
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| 07:02.03 | nvz | bintut: well you escaped the period and not the asterisk which has a meaning in a regex |
| 07:02.07 | nvz | that much I can tell you |
| 07:02.48 | Sary | nvz, for lots of reasons to choose Debian over Ubuntu. |
| 07:03.36 | bintut | nvz: what's the correct way then? |
| 07:03.38 | nvz | Sary: yes but do you understand that Ubuntu packages are different not only in typically version numbers but actual code differences? |
| 07:03.49 | bintut | nvz: \*.swf$ ? |
| 07:04.08 | nvz | Sary: if you are currently stable using ubuntu, and you attempt to switch to a debian base, it fundamentally breaks the ENTIRE system |
| 07:04.10 | bintut | nvz: or shall i just do a .swf$ ? |
| 07:04.53 | nvz | bintut: I really do not know. |
| 07:05.17 | nvz | bintut: was just trying to make sure you are serving yourself best by finding people who actually understand PHP and what its looking for |
| 07:05.43 | bintut | nvz: ok then. ;) |
| 07:06.06 | Sary | nvz, you just lighted me about that packages and switching situation. |
| 07:06.48 | Some_Person | installs the old gnome-stones game to relieve some boredom |
| 07:06.58 | nvz | Sary: yes, debian package systems (your distro uses apt) are very specific.. every single package in your distro would require recompile and repackaging if you changed the base system |
| 07:07.24 | nvz | Sary: this would introduce a huge number of bugs that would need to be ironed out.. you probably don't have the resources to pull it off |
| 07:07.37 | Amacidia | Anyone around that has had to install lenny on a g4 xserve? Had some troubles tonight with pulling the video card out, if I did the system wouldn't boot. |
| 07:09.28 | nvz | Sary: seems to me if it were a big issue, your simplest method of action would be to take what you've worked on, the specific islamic packages your distro has, and add them to debian itself and just forget about Sabily entirely.. and just use Debian |
| 07:10.15 | Sary | nvz, noted that. |
| 07:10.23 | nvz | Sary: and even that would require maintainers of those packages to go through the process of finding a mentor and becoming Debian Developers |
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| 07:11.38 | nvz | Sary: the Debian Developer process requires you to actually meet a Debian Developer in person as I recall, and spend a mentor period where that person signs off on your packages and uploads them on your behalf until you are officially a DD and have your own keys for the mirror |
| 07:11.39 | Sary | nvz, thats what i was thinking about .. like Building a custom version first. |
| 07:12.21 | nvz | Sary: it just sounds like a lot of work, for no real purpose to me |
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| 07:13.57 | Lewoco_ | How do I allow users to mount smb? I tried setting chmod u+x /sbin/mount.cifs, but users still get the error about the mount not being in fstab... |
| 07:14.36 | valdyn | Lewoco_: to mount a specific share? |
| 07:14.37 | nvz | Lewoco_: cute, but don't fool with permissions when you don't know what you're doing. |
| 07:14.52 | nvz | Lewoco_: the answer is in fact in fstab.. man fstab |
| 07:14.52 | valdyn | Lewoco_: or to mount any share? |
| 07:15.06 | Lewoco_ | valdyn, To mount any smb share. |
| 07:15.30 | valdyn | Lewoco_: are you aware that giving permission to mount any share is equivalent to giving them root? |
| 07:16.35 | Lewoco_ | valdyn, Yes |
| 07:18.18 | valdyn | judd: versions fusesmb |
| 07:18.20 | judd | Package fusesmb on i386 -- etch: 0.8.5-1+b2; lenny: 0.8.7-1; sid: 0.8.7-1.1; squeeze: 0.8.7-1.1 |
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| 07:18.49 | valdyn | ^^^ supports this |
| 07:19.12 | valdyn | mount.cifs would require you to fuck up permissions, dont do that. |
| 07:19.17 | Lewoco_ | valdyn, I tried fusesmb. It takes about 6 seconds to view a share and I found a few reports that it takes 4-5 as long to transfer data over fusesmb than mount.cifs. |
| 07:19.37 | valdyn | Lewoco_: thats probably nonsense |
| 07:23.08 | simonrvn | Lewoco_: chmod'ing something is not a solution for an fstab issue |
| 07:23.27 | valdyn | simonrvn: but this isnt an fstab issue |
| 07:23.55 | simonrvn | was reading backlog, nm me |
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| 07:25.56 | Sary | nvz, excuse me , i had a delay .. i was not surprised that allots of projects moved from "Ubuntu" to Debian base (CrunchBang , MEPIS , Linux Mint ..etc) so i guess their purpose are for the same reasons. |
| 07:26.22 | simonrvn | 'a lot of projects' |
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| 07:27.52 | Sary | that would be a typo , thanks for the corrections. |
| 07:28.30 | simonrvn | np |
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| 07:35.30 | Sary | nvz, I noted your advices , i much appreciate it.. thank you. |
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| 07:36.45 | Lewoco_ | valdyn, I tried running fusesmb with debugging but I don't see any errors. Have you any idea why it takes 6s to do a directory listing? |
| 07:37.08 | valdyn | Lewoco_: im playing with it right now, im stuck at authentication |
| 07:37.25 | Lewoco_ | valdyn, Did you make ~/.smb/fusesmb.conf yet? |
| 07:37.29 | valdyn | Lewoco_: not having a wins server can make it slow |
| 07:37.58 | valdyn | Lewoco_: lets see how it works heree.. |
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| 07:46.34 | Lewoco_ | valdyn, So... |
| 07:46.41 | Lewoco_ | valdyn, Is it slow as a dog for you too? |
| 07:47.07 | valdyn | Lewoco_: no, but I cannot list directories at all as authentication is not working for this domain |
| 07:47.40 | valdyn | Lewoco_: i.e. i should have to use domain\user as login name but its not working |
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| 07:59.30 | Lewoco_ | valdyn, Is there any way to get a list of WINS servers on my network? |
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| 08:00.04 | valdyn | Lewoco_: no idea |
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| 08:29.10 | allu2 | Hello, i found some old pieces of hardware and installed debian lenny on it, i want to use it as wlan AP as i have acx111 wlan card and it seems to support master mode. our current wlan ap is breaking and disconnects time to time, i tried googling around a little but most guides i found were unclear to me and when i tried they failed :S could some one assist me? |
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| 08:41.16 | valdyn | Lewoco_: smbnetfs works fine in this quick test, i cant get fusesmb to work though |
| 08:42.18 | valdyn | Lewoco_: or neverind, directory listing is fast, but transfer is abysmal |
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| 08:42.45 | Lewoco_ | valdyn, I haven't gotten anywhere near transfers yet. |
| 08:43.08 | Lewoco_ | valdyn, I think the reason why listings are so slow is because all name lookups are being done using broadcasts. |
| 08:43.26 | valdyn | Lewoco_: yes |
| 08:43.41 | Lewoco_ | valdyn, No idea why it takes several seconds to do a broadcast though... |
| 08:43.43 | allu2 | could anyone help me setting up soft AP on debian? |
| 08:44.03 | valdyn | Lewoco_: because the only way to end it is to wait a certain timeout |
| 08:44.22 | Lewoco_ | valdyn, Why not just stop after receiving the first reply? |
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| 08:44.50 | valdyn | Lewoco_: yea, why not... |
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| 08:45.25 | Lewoco_ | valdyn, I just check ipconfig /all on my windows machine and it didn't report any WINS server. |
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| 08:46.52 | Lewoco_ | valdyn, Since I don't have a WINS server is there anything I can do to speed up my name lookups? |
| 08:47.31 | Lewoco_ | valdyn, I imagine windows avoids the problem using caching? Is it possible to do something similar in samba? |
| 08:47.33 | valdyn | Lewoco_: just make samba a wins server |
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| 08:50.33 | simonrvn | install winbind i guess.. |
| 08:51.27 | Lewoco_ | already did that |
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| 08:51.46 | Lewoco_ | without winbind, there is no resolution of netbios names at all |
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| 08:52.50 | Lewoco_ | valdyn, I set 'wins support = yes' and restarted samba, but lookups are still slow. What have I forgotten? |
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| 08:54.15 | valdyn | Lewoco_: have you looked if gvfs might suit your needs btw? |
| 08:54.28 | treebeen | uhm, on squeeze, has anyone tried software center? why is it so slow? |
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| 08:54.41 | valdyn | Lewoco_: to set your other boxes to use it? im not sure |
| 08:55.10 | sickn3ss | hey if I want to download Debian Squeeze, but not a netinstall, a full bootable DVD with all included which one of those should I pick |
| 08:55.11 | sickn3ss | I see 8 |
| 08:55.18 | sickn3ss | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 08:55.38 | treebeen | i think if you want GNOME you just get the first CD |
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| 08:55.53 | nucks | hi, is xfce 4.8 out in any debian repos yet? |
| 08:55.56 | simonrvn | #1, if you want a dvd... (dunno why you don't go for the netinst) |
| 08:55.56 | valdyn | nice, gfvs crashed on the first large file |
| 08:56.12 | sickn3ss | simonrvn, I just need a DVD in case I don't have internet |
| 08:56.24 | sickn3ss | nucks, not sure but would be cool |
| 08:56.50 | nucks | sickn3ss: yeah I'm kind of deciding if I should install fedora rawhide or debian, would love to run debian .. but want the new xfce >< |
| 08:57.07 | simonrvn | ah, so yeh, #1 should be enough |
| 08:57.11 | nucks | wonders if anyone running the latest experimental/unstable can do a search for him |
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| 08:57.32 | sickn3ss | I'm going to install squeeze but only after I download it so it will take some time |
| 08:57.34 | simonrvn | no xfce 4.8 in exp. |
| 08:57.34 | sickn3ss | thanks simonrvn |
| 08:57.41 | nucks | hm thanks sickn3ss |
| 08:57.45 | nucks | exp is the newest right? |
| 08:57.46 | sickn3ss | nucks, you could try downloading it from the main site |
| 08:57.46 | nucks | heh |
| 08:57.55 | nucks | yeah, I guess, then I would have to compile but ah.. what hte hell :D |
| 08:57.55 | treebeen | ,versions xfce |
| 08:57.57 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'xfce' was found in i386. |
| 08:57.59 | simonrvn | no, experimental is NOT the newest |
| 08:58.15 | treebeen | what's the package name? |
| 08:58.40 | treebeen | ,versions xfce4 |
| 08:58.41 | judd | Package xfce4 on i386 -- etch: 4.3.99.2; etch-backports: 4.4.2~bpo40+2; lenny: 4.4.2.1; lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1; sid: 4.6.2; squeeze: 4.6.2 |
| 08:58.48 | nucks | ahh yep |
| 08:59.29 | simonrvn | !experimental |
| 08:59.29 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 09:00.30 | treebeen | so far I run chromium and inkscape from experimental... no issues |
| 09:01.01 | sickn3ss | hey aaa one thing I don't get |
| 09:01.06 | sickn3ss | what's this Experimental ? O_o |
| 09:01.15 | sickn3ss | Experimental packages or Squeeze ? |
| 09:01.26 | treebeen | it's a repository |
| 09:01.34 | sickn3ss | oh |
| 09:01.36 | sickn3ss | thanks tree |
| 09:01.39 | sickn3ss | thanks treebeen |
| 09:01.48 | treebeen | squeeze is still testing, then there is unstable, and experimental |
| 09:02.29 | simonrvn | it's not complete either. you couldn't possibly set sources.list to it and get a complete set of software. |
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| 09:02.47 | treebeen | squeeze will be stable when it is released, then wheezy will be testing |
| 09:03.10 | simonrvn | and if you're on unstable you're expected to help. |
| 09:04.09 | treebeen | if experimental would be complete it would probably be compareable to ubuntu stable ;) |
| 09:06.01 | cahoot | if ubuntu is OT I guess ubuntu-bashing is too |
| 09:06.04 | simonrvn | it's probably in a better state than that, in many cases.... but *ssssh* |
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| 09:06.19 | simonrvn | yes it is ot |
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| 09:18.48 | Lewoco_ | valdyn, probably the most frustrating thing about all this is that my ubuntu box can do lookups perfectly |
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| 09:19.32 | Lewoco_ | valdyn, the only difference as far as I can tell is that ubuntu doesn't have 'wins' in nsswitch.conf, but when I remove this in debian I don't get any lookup at all... |
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| 09:30.33 | simonrvn | diff the samba confs |
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| 09:56.31 | Lewoco_ | simonrvn, I just installed the smb.conf from ubuntu into debian and restarted winbind, but it didn't help. |
| 09:56.48 | Lewoco_ | simonrvn, resolv.conf are identical |
| 09:57.04 | simonrvn | no idea.. sorry |
| 09:57.07 | Lewoco_ | simonrvn, I noticed that nsswitch.conf on ubuntu doesn't actually have 'wins' listed. |
| 09:57.18 | simonrvn | that's not what i meant by diffing them, but that's cool |
| 09:57.29 | simonrvn | hmm |
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| 10:00.24 | JamesBrink | does anyone know of a good method for splitting the messages in the mail files under /var/spool/mail/someuser |
| 10:00.44 | JamesBrink | i was thinking of using regex but i think there has to be a better method |
| 10:00.48 | cusco | JamesBrink: configure that in exim.conf' |
| 10:00.49 | cusco | ? |
| 10:00.55 | cusco | are you using exim? |
| 10:01.36 | JamesBrink | i guess not |
| 10:01.42 | cusco | or.. perhaps I did not undertand you |
| 10:01.44 | JamesBrink | i just setup a simple postfix config |
| 10:01.50 | JamesBrink | i need the email mainly for monitoring purposes |
| 10:01.54 | JamesBrink | no real other use |
| 10:02.14 | JamesBrink | im going to be parsing some emails with ruby or something and passing it into nagios |
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| 10:04.00 | cusco | eww |
| 10:05.04 | JamesBrink | yeah |
| 10:05.08 | JamesBrink | wht can you do though lol |
| 10:05.20 | cusco | well I use exim and somewhere in the confs I have /var/spool/%domain/%user/ defined |
| 10:05.20 | JamesBrink | some apps dont offer much =) |
| 10:05.30 | JamesBrink | not even sure i know what exim is |
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| 10:05.39 | cusco | default mta in debian |
| 10:05.44 | JamesBrink | ah |
| 10:06.13 | JamesBrink | so under %user you have stuff like multiple messages? |
| 10:06.17 | JamesBrink | in multiple files? |
| 10:06.25 | cusco | each file is a e-mail message |
| 10:06.30 | JamesBrink | hmm |
| 10:06.30 | cusco | split_spool_directory = true |
| 10:06.44 | JamesBrink | im sure postfix can do it too |
| 10:06.48 | cusco | sure |
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| 10:06.53 | JamesBrink | now im just wondering what would be easier to work with |
| 10:07.07 | JamesBrink | i was thinking maybe there was a like a special character seperating the messages |
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| 10:07.21 | JamesBrink | mutliple files actually would not be to hard |
| 10:07.22 | cusco | well then you would have a file in /var/spool/mail/nagios/ right' |
| 10:07.23 | cusco | ? |
| 10:07.32 | cusco | or several files |
| 10:07.45 | JamesBrink | right now its all just one file per user |
| 10:07.45 | cusco | or /var/spool/mail/nagios/new/ |
| 10:07.57 | JamesBrink | i would just delete them after parsing |
| 10:08.00 | cusco | use Maildir format |
| 10:08.19 | cusco | and doesn't nagios interact with email?? |
| 10:08.56 | cantido | There are tools to work with mbox files too.. I forget the name. Theres no reason you can work with them from a script |
| 10:08.57 | JamesBrink | not sure |
| 10:09.02 | cusco | you need based on recieved e-mail for nagios to take action? |
| 10:09.06 | JamesBrink | been a while since i had to mess with nagios |
| 10:09.33 | JamesBrink | yeah, they are email from zmanda cloud backup software |
| 10:09.52 | JamesBrink | it does do some logging to the windows event log, which i also have forwarded to rsyslog |
| 10:10.05 | JamesBrink | i just figured the emails might be a better starting point |
| 10:10.21 | JamesBrink | but yeah i receive an email from the backup client and i need to do something with it |
| 10:10.38 | cusco | :| |
| 10:10.44 | JamesBrink | i think that would be consiered a passive check in nagios.. but i havent used it in a few years so im relearning everything heh |
| 10:10.57 | cantido | what do you acutally want to do? I haven't got any scrollback |
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| 10:12.05 | JamesBrink | well in the end monitor backups from zmanda cloud backup on windows machines |
| 10:12.24 | JamesBrink | right now i just want to know how to split email files into indivdual messages |
| 10:12.33 | JamesBrink | for example /var/spool/mail/username |
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| 10:12.54 | cantido | JamesBrink: give a second, I'm just trying to find the tool I've used to work with mbox files |
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| 10:13.05 | JamesBrink | okay cool |
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| 10:13.15 | JamesBrink | the best thing i came up with was regex on From: |
| 10:13.20 | JamesBrink | but that seems prone to error |
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| 10:14.37 | cantido | JamesBrink: there seems to be a tool called mboxgrep |
| 10:14.51 | cantido | apt-cache search mbox brings up a bunch of different tools |
| 10:15.07 | JamesBrink | oh nice |
| 10:16.03 | cantido | mbox files are a defined format though.. so you should be able to parse them ;) |
| 10:16.28 | JamesBrink | yeah im going to do some googling |
| 10:16.36 | JamesBrink | i was before but i think iw as using wrong terms |
| 10:16.38 | JamesBrink | like mail file |
| 10:16.42 | JamesBrink | ill try mbox or something heh |
| 10:16.42 | JamesBrink | thanks |
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| 10:19.46 | cantido | JamesBrink: formail can be used to pass an mbox to procmail.. that might be able to split mails for you |
| 10:20.19 | cantido | formail -s .. split mails and call something for each mail |
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| 10:25.13 | JamesBrink | think i found my asnwer http://www.freshports.org/mail/ruby-rmail/ |
| 10:25.30 | JamesBrink | and a sample to work from http://blog.ganneff.de/blog/2008/05/01/splitting-huge-mbox-files.html |
| 10:25.31 | JamesBrink | =) |
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| 10:27.20 | cantido | sounds like the easy way out.. you have a perfectly good shell ;) |
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| 10:27.40 | Fratyr | Hi, I want to add Tomcat6 to autorun. to which runlevel It should be added? 3 or 5? or just link tomcat6 executable to /etc/init.d/ ? |
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| 10:28.42 | JamesBrink | cantido, i hate shell scripting |
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| 10:28.54 | JamesBrink | for me its just to ugly and i dont do it enough |
| 10:29.02 | cantido | Fratyr: the default run level is 2 .. |
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| 10:29.14 | simonrvn | Fratyr: 2 |
| 10:29.15 | cantido | Fratyr: more /etc/inittab |
| 10:29.16 | cusco | JamesBrink: I would use inotify to check where there is a new e-mail and call a parser upon arrival |
| 10:29.46 | cantido | procmail would work.. |
| 10:30.40 | JamesBrink | cusco, is this it? inoticoming - trigger actions when files hit an incoming directory |
| 10:31.00 | JamesBrink | i was just going to cron it or something and clean up the file afterwords |
| 10:31.02 | cusco | JamesBrink: inotify tools |
| 10:31.16 | cusco | intofifywait |
| 10:31.21 | JamesBrink | ahh |
| 10:31.25 | cantido | why use inotify when you can have exim pass the mail into a script? |
| 10:31.48 | cantido | makes no sense to left it drop into a mbox and then parse it |
| 10:31.55 | cantido | s/left/let/ |
| 10:31.57 | cusco | cantido: he is using postfix |
| 10:32.11 | cantido | cusco: postfix doesnt support procmail etc? |
| 10:32.32 | JamesBrink | i think i have used procmail in the past |
| 10:32.56 | JamesBrink | im just going to write up this quick solution cron it or something and see where im at |
| 10:32.58 | cantido | .forward allows passing a mail to a script no? |
| 10:33.08 | JamesBrink | i still gota connect it to nagios somehow which will be another fun adventure |
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| 10:34.14 | JamesBrink | anyone ever used this? http://simple-evcorr.sourceforge.net/ |
| 10:34.22 | JamesBrink | i remeber i used that for alot of stuff years ago |
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| 10:34.37 | JamesBrink | wonder if i could just use that haha |
| 10:34.44 | JamesBrink | could get messy |
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| 10:40.21 | JamesBrink | cool with that RMail class for ruby i have it seperated into an array in 10 lines |
| 10:40.23 | JamesBrink | not bad |
| 10:40.29 | cantido | JamesBrink: I think you're making it harder for yourself parsing the mbox files though. Theres no reason you can't have your MTA pass it to your ruby script or whatever when it comes in |
| 10:40.54 | JamesBrink | yeah cantido i think you make a good point |
| 10:41.07 | JamesBrink | until you mentioned that i forgot you can do stuff like that |
| 10:41.16 | JamesBrink | i have not messed with email servers in a long time thank god |
| 10:41.26 | JamesBrink | but i think that is a better solution for sure |
| 10:41.44 | JamesBrink | i think ill run it like this until i get it worked out and then have it passed directly to the app |
| 10:44.58 | JamesBrink | so cantido are you more a shell script person? |
| 10:45.40 | boudiccas | try again. after booting my new installation of ubuntu, i get "Errorl file not found. Grub rescue>" what do i have to do to regain access please? |
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| 10:46.22 | cahoot | boudiccas: I'd either join #ubuntu or try google |
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| 10:46.34 | boudiccas | ty |
| 10:46.41 | cantido | JamesBrink: I wouldn't use ruby for anything |
| 10:46.48 | JamesBrink | =) |
| 10:46.58 | JamesBrink | im a fulltime sysadmin who hates shell scripting haha |
| 10:47.21 | JamesBrink | i get ridiculed alot |
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| 10:47.51 | JamesBrink | i think the most i do with bash/ksh scripting is for loops haha |
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| 10:49.52 | JamesBrink | perl has always come to the rescue for me with all the nice libs out there for it |
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| 10:55.43 | cantido | JamesBrink: with shell scripts you can call any program you like.. |
| 10:56.00 | JamesBrink | yeah they have there place |
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| 10:56.06 | JamesBrink | and hardly any pre-reqs |
| 10:56.26 | JamesBrink | i just hate trying to read those long shell scripts, to ugly for my eyes |
| 10:56.38 | cantido | I would argue that writing system scripts etc in Ruby etc is a bit silly |
| 10:56.42 | Digdilem | r, perl's much prettier :) |
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| 10:57.11 | cantido | JamesBrink: again, a shell script can call sub scripts.. so you can split stuff up |
| 10:57.24 | JamesBrink | still ugly |
| 10:57.31 | bocaneri | Why is writing system scripts in ruby silly? |
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| 10:58.01 | JamesBrink | i did some cool wortk with perl a while back.. it saved my ass i had to open foxpro databses haha |
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| 10:58.08 | JamesBrink | and yes perl had a lib for it |
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| 10:58.16 | cantido | JamesBrink: yeah, what you really need for extracting two strings from an email is 13 classes, some interfaces.. some abstractions etc |
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| 10:59.05 | Digdilem | any good sysadmin will use what he knows, as learning something new will often not be a good use of time |
| 10:59.15 | JamesBrink | only 4 classes =) |
| 10:59.44 | Digdilem | it's a bonus for your employers if you use something that other people know how to use too, ofc |
| 10:59.47 | cantido | Digdilem: I would have though a good sysadmin would have a decent-ish grasp on the systems most useful component ;) |
| 11:00.43 | Digdilem | fair point, but when I have one of those million little jobs to do, I reach for perl first... but I'm more a part-time professional sysadmin, and sometimes it's hard to keep in practice with more than one thing |
| 11:00.44 | JamesBrink | apt-get install ruby? |
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| 11:01.45 | JamesBrink | yeah Digdilem for me its always about readability |
| 11:02.02 | Digdilem | yeah, that is important - for when you go back to it some months later |
| 11:02.10 | cantido | JamesBrink: a sysadmin should be able to understand shell scripts.. |
| 11:02.17 | Digdilem | and have to figure out wt-merry-f you were thinking when you wrote it |
| 11:02.20 | JamesBrink | i can understand them just fine |
| 11:02.26 | cantido | otherwise how the hell do they admin a system that has thousands of them? |
| 11:02.27 | JamesBrink | they are just ugly as hell |
| 11:02.57 | Digdilem | what if you don't admin boxes that were previously run by someone with a bash fetish? |
| 11:02.57 | cantido | nano has syntax highlighting now, its not so bad ;) |
| 11:03.04 | JamesBrink | hah |
| 11:03.17 | JamesBrink | yeah cantido i use that at my day job |
| 11:03.22 | Dewi | just because you need to take the pain doesn't mean you'll choose to keep stabbing yourself |
| 11:03.28 | JamesBrink | shell scripts not nano hehe |
| 11:03.28 | Shadow` | any way to assign the keys on a joypad to other functions/controls? |
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| 11:04.16 | JamesBrink | shell scripts are always a bit picky about syntax and spacing and when they get long i have no clue how you would debug it |
| 11:04.25 | cantido | Digdilem: do you mean using bash-isms? or using the extensions that bash has? |
| 11:04.29 | JamesBrink | perl & ruby are very forgiving |
| 11:04.33 | JamesBrink | for the lazy people |
| 11:04.52 | cantido | JamesBrink: bash -x myscript.sh |
| 11:04.52 | Digdilem | cantido, I was oversimplifying, sorry. bash != shell |
| 11:05.07 | JamesBrink | really? lol |
| 11:05.08 | Dewi | JamesBrink: bash maintenance best-practice is usually "don't edit this file under any circumstances" |
| 11:05.22 | JamesBrink | maybe i should read this scripting book thats on my buddies desk lol |
| 11:05.31 | Dewi | if I need to change a bash script I usually rewrite it |
| 11:06.19 | cantido | well, a lot of people pick up other people's code and say to themselves "this is shit" and go on to rewrite |
| 11:06.31 | cantido | then the next person picks up their code and thinks "this is shit".. |
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| 11:07.19 | JamesBrink | heh i pickup my own code and say that |
| 11:07.22 | Dewi | cantido: that's a different thing. Readability exists |
| 11:07.34 | Dewi | cantido: but so do personal styles |
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| 11:10.01 | Dewi | has been on the same codebase full-time for 2 years, so I find myself going "who wrote this?! oh... it was me" quite a lot |
| 11:10.26 | Digdilem | it's amazing how quickly you forget stuff when you learn better ways |
| 11:10.36 | Dewi | yeah, only takes a few months for code to seem "old" |
| 11:11.34 | Dewi | (and only a few weeks to forget stuff like *why* I did something) |
| 11:12.00 | Dewi | also, I have a pretty bad memory |
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| 11:46.59 | ddman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:51.52 | lord_rob | Hi ! Isn't it possible to change grub splash screen with update-alternatives ? I thought so ... |
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| 11:52.18 | edgars | yo |
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| 11:53.44 | sekon | ddman: org 0x00001000 wont do the job ?? |
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| 11:55.01 | ddman | sekon, i didn't get it clearly ? |
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| 11:55.47 | dutchfish | ddman: in short, you can't. ASLR randomly orders the individual segments of memory needed by a program in such a way that the process knows where they are, but an attacker does not. |
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| 11:56.02 | edgars | emm... how can i change syslog to rotate maillog for more than 7 days? :( |
| 11:57.25 | dutchfish | ddman: also see PAX: http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/www/?page=pax |
| 11:57.28 | ddman | dutchfish, instead of disable it systemwide , can i ask the executable itself to get into a mode where brk() is close to .data section |
| 11:57.46 | ddman | dutchfish, when ASLR is done , the brks just after exec by shell is quite far |
| 11:58.06 | dutchfish | ddman: read the PAX page. |
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| 12:01.08 | ddman | dutchfish, so you have a specially patched binutils ? |
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| 12:03.53 | pinkisntwell | how do i install python 2.6 or 2.7 in lenny? |
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| 12:04.59 | Arrowmaster | ,versions python2.6 |
| 12:05.01 | judd | Package python2.6 on i386 -- sid: 2.6.6-8+b1; squeeze: 2.6.6-8+b1 |
| 12:05.08 | Arrowmaster | ,versions python2.7 |
| 12:05.10 | judd | Package python2.7 on i386 -- experimental: 2.7.1-4 |
| 12:05.33 | Arrowmaster | ah dpkg is gone |
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| 12:05.46 | pinkisntwell | but is it safe to do this? why isn't it on lenny-backports? |
| 12:05.55 | Arrowmaster | dpkg: tell pinkisntwell about ssb |
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| 12:06.41 | dutchfish | ddman: tip: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.37.y.git;a=commit;h=f83ce3e6b02d5e48b3a43b001390e2b58820389d (but i advise to delve in it further and read all the docs) |
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| 12:07.46 | coops89 | if it can't find a disk in /etc/fstab on boot or something else is wrong with the /etc/fstab configuration, will the computer hang in a reboot loop? |
| 12:08.36 | coops89 | e.g. if you screw up the /etc/fstab, will the computer hang in a reboot loop and your only option would be to format the disk? |
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| 12:10.13 | jelly-hme | coops89: an invalid or nonexistent entry in fstab typically results in the init process stopping and asking you for the root password to correct the issue. There's no loop. |
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| 12:11.40 | cantido | yeah, you'll drop into the rescue shell in the initramfs if anything.. |
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| 12:14.45 | ddman | dutchfish, nice , can we tell the kernel not to use some address range during ASLR for a specific process or executable ? |
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| 12:15.18 | dutchfish | ddman: sort of, read the link and the pdf wich you find inside that commit |
| 12:15.30 | dutchfish | ddman: good luck |
| 12:15.54 | dutchfish | ddman: rem, this is all quiet new stuff, be aware of that |
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| 12:16.25 | ddman | dutchfish, that pdf doesn't say anything about how to tell a process not to use specific address range during ASLR. It tells how to blank maps and smaps and about ksteip using things for findnig out |
| 12:17.41 | dutchfish | ddman: the only thing that can be done, finding out (within that very same process) where the mappings are physically located, that should get your q answered. |
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| 12:18.11 | themill | pinkisntwell, Arrowmaster: no, backporting python is not a safe thing to do. /msg dpkg python2.6 |
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| 12:20.04 | Arrowmaster | is it still unsafe if you dont change /usr/bin/python to point to python2.6? |
| 12:20.14 | ddman | dutchfish, no i need some (fixed address range) to be not touched by kernel like allocating it to heap section. I need to for mmap |
| 12:20.20 | ddman | i need it for mmap |
| 12:20.58 | Arrowmaster | figured it should be obvious change /usr/bin/python to python2.6 would blow everything up |
| 12:20.59 | pinkisntwell | themill: well, can i install it only for me then, for the project i'm doing right now? the system can keep on using 2.5 as far as i'm concerned |
| 12:21.09 | dutchfish | ddman: you can exclude a range but not allocate a range for use within this context. |
| 12:21.37 | dutchfish | ddman: thats the whole purpose of the thing |
| 12:21.45 | themill | pinkisntwell: sure. Just make sure that it's not in your path anywhere. Or at this stage, you could consider upgrading to squeeze. |
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| 12:21.58 | coops89 | ups |
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| 12:22.30 | ddman | dutchfish, how do i exclude a rangle using code ? |
| 12:22.42 | pinkisntwell | themill: so what would be the best way to do this? install it away from my path? |
| 12:22.47 | themill | Arrowmaster: you also need to not have a /usr/local/bin/python or ~/bin/python etc. And the debian packages won't happily find module packages so you're stuck with stdlib. |
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| 12:23.12 | ddman | dutchfish, if you do a strace /bin/ls , you can see a execve and brk |
| 12:23.23 | ddman | dutchfish, the brk is already allocated |
| 12:23.29 | themill | pinkisntwell: stick it in /opt and when you want it, call /opt/python/bin/python or similar. (Or just upgrade to squeeze... tbh, that might be easier) |
| 12:23.34 | dutchfish | ddman: we we already 'slightly' offtopic, but thats too much to answer in here. I think if you come that far you should have to tools to find out now. |
| 12:23.52 | ddman | dutchfish, pm ? |
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| 12:24.50 | pinkisntwell | themill: why should i upgrade to squeeze to get one package out of thousands? |
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| 12:27.27 | Arrowmaster | because squeeze is going to be released soon⢠and you would hopefully upgrade anyway when that happens (and not be one of the people coming in here exactly 1 year after its released asking how because lenny security updates are ending) |
| 12:27.59 | themill | pinkisntwell: python2.6 is the default python in squeeze which means that when you need any packaged python modules, you can just install them with apt. You also won't have to wrestle with python yourself which is a right pain in the backside to do and someone else will look after the security support for that python rather than you having to do so. |
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| 12:29.22 | Jemt | Hello guys. I have Debian running on several USB sticks. I plan to install a few packages on each stick. Instead of booting them, I simply mount the devices and chroot into the environment. To successfully install packages I need to mount proc, sys etc. But how is "mount -t proc none /proc/" (executed within the chroot environment) different from "mount --bind /dev/ /media/debian/dev/" ? |
| 12:29.50 | Jemt | Sorry, the last example should have been with /proc too |
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| 12:37.56 | jelly-hme | Jemt: it |
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| 12:38.09 | Jemt | jelly-hme: Sorry ? |
| 12:38.10 | jelly-hme | Jemt: it's not functionally different. |
| 12:38.22 | Jemt | Okay, glad to hear that |
| 12:38.39 | Jemt | So --bind just makes it use the existing proc instead of mounting a new one |
| 12:38.46 | jelly-hme | yes |
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| 12:38.57 | Jemt | Excellent, thank you very much |
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| 12:39.53 | Enverex | I have a weird and incredibly annoying problem. If my internet connection drops for any reason. I'm no-longer able to connect to my server in any way, shape or form on any protocol, yet it's apparently still up for everyone but me. Is there anything weird that denyhosts is likely to be doing that would cause this? |
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| 12:43.05 | Raptors | I removed pulse audio but now I have no sound in totem :/ |
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| 12:43.14 | Raptors | How do I get totem to use ALSA? |
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| 12:44.10 | petemc | Enverex: are you able to connect again after a period of time or.. ? |
| 12:44.34 | Enverex | petemc, Yes, although I've not been able to figure out how long. It's quite a while |
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| 12:44.58 | petemc | Enverex: and when you try to connect in the interim, does it time out or connection refused? |
| 12:45.19 | Enverex | petemc, Times out as if it's dropping all traffic |
| 12:45.27 | petemc | Enverex: fail2ban installed? |
| 12:46.05 | Enverex | petemc, It used to be, I removed it though as it seemed to be redundant now that denyhosts was installed by default |
| 12:46.45 | petemc | i wasnt aware that denyhosts was any sort of default |
| 12:46.51 | xiaoy | is there an how to on how to modify the rules file of a deb pkg source to delete a file after it download the source to build the pkg? |
| 12:47.17 | petemc | Enverex: do you have another host you can connect from when problem occurs? |
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| 12:47.57 | Enverex | petemc, I don't remember installing it but found out it was installed. Unfortunately not, I could if I was at work as we have several different internet connections. I don't have (or know of a free) SSH client for my iPhone so I can't log in any other way from home |
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| 12:49.36 | petemc | Enverex: im pretty sure there are free ssh clients from the iphone, but you could perhaps also set a cron job to grep for your ip, from the output of iptables -L or in files in /etc/ |
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| 12:50.19 | Enverex | petemc, Annoyingly we changed ISPs recently (not my choice) to one that doesn't allow for static IP addressing so that woudn't help (previously I did have a static IP) |
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| 12:51.26 | Wampyre | Hello. My server was hacked last weekend. I only noticed today. They changed the root password, and created 3 other users. I've recovered the root password and have access to the machine again, and I deleted the other users. How can I be sure there's nothing malicious installed on the machine now? |
| 12:51.49 | Enverex | Wampyre, Start with something like rkhunter |
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| 12:52.06 | Enverex | petemc, Also, can you just check "xnode.org" and make sure you can access the site so I know it really is up |
| 12:52.09 | petemc | Enverex: i believe it would help but if you dont think so then best of luck with another approach |
| 12:52.24 | petemc | yes, it is |
| 12:52.43 | xingu | Wampyre: swap the system out and rebuild. |
| 12:52.47 | Enverex | petemc, I can't grep for my IP automatically via cron when it changes every day (or so, it's random) |
| 12:52.53 | Wampyre | Enverex: Thanks. Would I not be better off reloading? |
| 12:52.54 | petemc | why cant you? |
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| 12:53.09 | Enverex | petemc, How would my server know what my IP is all the time? |
| 12:53.16 | xingu | Wampyre: for all you know someone's added a trojan to your bios or lights-out management unity |
| 12:53.46 | Wampyre | xingu: So it would be best to reload then :( That's a boatload of work. |
| 12:53.49 | xingu | Wampyre: it might be useful to retain the hdd's for forensics though |
| 12:54.05 | Wampyre | Suppose it serves me right for having a weak(ish) password. |
| 12:54.13 | petemc | Enverex: there would be many ways to find that information |
| 12:54.26 | Wampyre | xingu: Forensics, as in? |
| 12:54.46 | xingu | Wampyre: as in finding out who, when, and what they did next. |
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| 12:55.13 | Enverex | petemc, I could always set up the dyndns client on the router and have it use that I suppose. I'll check for something. That's assuming this is the cause, but I'm wondering -why- the server is blocking me? There wouldn't be any failed login attempts... |
| 12:55.27 | xingu | Wampyre: a compromised system is typically leveraged as a launch pad for the next attack |
| 12:56.01 | petemc | Enverex: finding out what is preventing you from connecting will probably help you figure out why |
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| 12:56.17 | Enverex | petemc, Well until I can get in I can only speculate |
| 12:56.49 | petemc | you could take the 3 seconds necessary to find a free iphone ssh client |
| 12:56.56 | Enverex | Plus I honestly can't find a free SSH client for the iPhone, I mean there must be one but I really can't find one. Seems a bit strange (no problem finding an Android one) |
| 12:57.07 | Enverex | petemc, I checked a while ago, no dice |
| 12:58.04 | babilen | Does somebody know the canonical way to set a (user supplied) background/splashimage for grub2? |
| 12:58.17 | Enverex | petemc, That said, seems there are a few now, let me grab one |
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| 13:04.51 | Wampyre | They downloaded http://www.freewebtown.com/mariofinutz/a.tgz and ran the setup, which seems to install a backdoor :s |
| 13:05.04 | mmm4m5m | Hi all. I am trying to understand this "apt install recommends by default" and I can't. Any documents/discussions about that? This is my case: squeeze expert install inside virtualbox. Here example http://pastebin.com/1qP5DqUx . Another example - installer by default does not install sudo but synaptic recommends gksu... (I wanted minimal X (xfce4) installation, but after installing synaptic... I got a lot of things) |
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| 13:06.32 | stew | mmm4m5m: Recommends by there very definition should be expected to be installed |
| 13:06.42 | stew | mmm4m5m: i'm not sure if I understand your question |
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| 13:08.13 | stew | mmm4m5m: the aptitude why output says that you asked for virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 to be installed, then shows you how that leads to linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686 being installed via a cascade of depedencies |
| 13:10.04 | mmm4m5m | stew: My questions is about "recommended" packages. My old linux was ubuntu hardy - "install recommends" was "off" by default. Now, with squeeze I am thinking like...: I can't ignore "recommended" because I am "stupid". But looks like, it is not good to accept always all "recommends"... I just hope from time to time I will be able to make educated choice. |
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| 13:10.52 | mmm4m5m | stew: your answer tells me: I have to trust installer (aptitude/synaptic) and accept "recommends" always (no matter what). This is what I am wondering (still new with linux, so I am also trying to learn) |
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| 13:11.58 | Enverex | petemc, No mention of my IP in IPtables (which is blank), /etc/ or /var/lib/denyhosts |
| 13:14.10 | Enverex | petemc, I've found an entry in the routing table though, 92.0.0.0 (my IP starts with 92) 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 13:14.28 | Enverex | I'm guessing that means it's routes anything from any 92.* address to no-where... |
| 13:15.10 | stew | mmm4m5m: /msg dpkg apt recommends |
| 13:15.24 | mmm4m5m | stew: my question could be funny or something... Here list of packages installed with Synaptic: http://pastebin.com/r0eeV6mZ (maybe this will show why I start thinking in that direction at first place) |
| 13:16.02 | mmm4m5m | stew: note, I did not install gnome or desktop. I installed only xorg and xfce4 |
| 13:16.57 | Arrowmaster | and synaptic depends on some gnome stuff so you got it |
| 13:17.09 | stew | mmm4m5m: what in this list is of note? |
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| 13:20.55 | mmm4m5m | stew: :) gksu mostly, also gnome, keyring... maybe unattended-upgrades... It is 20mb more than needed... I was thinking "install recommends" is new, so maybe I start to worry without real reason. |
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| 13:21.23 | Enverex | The next question is how did my iprange end up null routed in the routing table? |
| 13:21.24 | stew | mmm4m5m: synaptic recommends gksu |
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| 13:21.39 | stew | mmm4m5m: and gksu recommends gnome-keyring |
| 13:22.15 | Arrowmaster | its not new at all |
| 13:22.26 | Arrowmaster | its been that way for quite a while |
| 13:22.39 | stew | mmm4m5m: switching to installing recommends by default was new with lenny iirc (so its been happening for a few years) |
| 13:22.48 | stew | perhaps with sarge though |
| 13:22.58 | stew | err i mean etch not sarge |
| 13:23.13 | Arrowmaster | i know it did it back when i was using lenny while it was testing |
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| 13:24.21 | rawtaz | hi, a question regarding backports.. im running squeeze and want to start using nginx. i see squeeze's version is at 0.7.67-3 and sid's is at 0.8.54-3. due to this and because i will want to upgrade nginx to newer versions in the future as well i figure i might get started with backports right now |
| 13:24.35 | mmm4m5m | Hm. Ok then... I have to change my thinking. (It is new installation - trying to be perfect lol). Thanks a lot!!! |
| 13:24.54 | rawtaz | but what repository should i add to the sources.list in order to use backports for squeeze? |
| 13:25.22 | rawtaz | oooh wait |
| 13:25.25 | rawtaz | i found http://backports.debian.org/ |
| 13:25.27 | rawtaz | never mind |
| 13:25.28 | Arrowmaster | rawtaz: you would just using a testing/unstable mix, backparts are a stable thing |
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| 13:26.07 | rawtaz | Arrowmaster: yeah but once squeeze is release it will be stable, i take it at that point backports will be more applicable |
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| 13:27.03 | Arrowmaster | rawtaz: right, squeeze-backports will be created when squeeze becomes stable |
| 13:27.58 | stew | it was created a while ago, its just empty so far |
| 13:28.17 | rawtaz | hm. but for now then, if i want just nginx from sid, but the rest of my system to still be just squeeze |
| 13:28.48 | sekon | rawtaz: from what i know mixing repos is probably a bad idea |
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| 13:29.05 | rawtaz | aha :) |
| 13:29.06 | stew | rawtaz: for it to be in squeeze-backports it would have to be in wheezy which doesn't yet exist |
| 13:29.15 | Mark22 | How can I get I/O per sec. usage for an hour (peak or average)? I need to get the information over a longer time to get an idea about our current usage (but not for more than a week ago, resetting the numbers used by iostat would also be an option for me). |
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| 13:29.29 | stew | rawtaz: if you need the sid version, you'd need it to be in sqeueze-backports-sloppy, which doesn't yet exist |
| 13:29.34 | Arrowmaster | mixing testing/unstable/experimental is common, its mixing stable with anything else thats unsafe |
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| 13:30.24 | rawtaz | stew: so there is no backporting of testing -> stable, only backporting of unstable -> stable? |
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| 13:31.15 | stew | rawtaz: testing->stable is the most common |
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| 13:31.40 | babilen | Hi all. I am unsure about the best way to set a (user supplied) grub2 background image. The configuration is handled in /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme and relies on the alternative system for "desktop-grub" -- Additionally /usr/share/desktop-base/grub_background.sh is sourced (which set WALLPAPER) and that file seems to be the best place to set a background that is not available in the alternative system. But, it seems wrong somehow to edit files in ... |
| 13:31.43 | stew | rawtaz: that goes in $releasename-backports. backports from sid are uncommon and go into $releasename-backports-sloppy |
| 13:31.46 | babilen | ... /usr for configuration and the file is not copied to /boot as well (#604699) -- So, what to tell people asking about it? |
| 13:32.03 | gordonjcp | I'm trying to install Lenny from a USB stick, which I converted from an ISO with unetbootin - however, it falls at the first fence when it tries to mount the "CD-ROM" |
| 13:32.05 | stew | rawtaz: -sloppy because it could break upgrades from release to release+1 |
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| 13:32.53 | sekon | Mark22: please see http://collectl.sourceforge.net/ |
| 13:33.02 | babilen | !tell gordonjcp about usb install |
| 13:33.22 | rawtaz | i see (i think). for the release lenny, there is lenny-backports, which is effectively the packages from squeeze backported to lenny. |
| 13:33.28 | babilen | gordonjcp: Do either "the easy" of "the flexible" way -- the latter doesn't take over the complete stick |
| 13:33.54 | gordonjcp | babilen: I think I'll go for the "easy" way, since I have plenty USB sticks and no time to pratt about |
| 13:34.03 | Mark22 | sekon: thank you, looking at it now |
| 13:34.22 | stew | rawtaz: yes |
| 13:34.31 | gordonjcp | babilen: it's annoying that unetbootin seems to be broken, but there you go... |
| 13:34.42 | stew | rawtaz: since wheezy doesn't exist yet, there are no packages in squeeze-backports yet |
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| 13:35.04 | rawtaz | ok so then the conclusion is that there is currently no backports i can use for squeeze (what you just now said), and -sloppy probably doesnt have nginx |
| 13:35.27 | stew | rawtaz: squeeze-backports-sloppy hasn't been created yet |
| 13:35.29 | rawtaz | is there then any normal way of installing nginx from sid, or is it a Really Bad Idea |
| 13:35.30 | stew | rawtaz: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 13:36.36 | rawtaz | that looks informative. |
| 13:36.53 | rawtaz | its the recipe i take it? to install a specific package from sid |
| 13:37.01 | stew | yes |
| 13:37.07 | rawtaz | thanks :) |
| 13:37.37 | stew | but recompiling it against libraries in your release instead of libraries in sid |
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| 13:38.17 | rawtaz | btw what determines whether a package is backported? im thinking that if i do it this way for now, then maybe when squeeze is released and at the time there is a good squeeze-backports, nginx will be in there and i can just use it without much manual handling, from there |
| 13:38.28 | rawtaz | but that assumes that its backported |
| 13:38.36 | stew | rawtaz: things are backported when volunteers backport them and upload them |
| 13:38.51 | rawtaz | ok :) |
| 13:38.52 | rawtaz | fair enough |
| 13:39.23 | stew | nginx was backported in lenny, there is a good chance someone would do it for squeeze |
| 13:39.30 | rawtaz | cool :) |
| 13:40.49 | vlt | Hello. Can I see somewhere for which files the kernel cache is used currently? |
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| 13:41.40 | gordonjcp | babilen: okay, neither technique given in that factoid produces a bootable USB stick |
| 13:41.50 | gordonjcp | babilen: any other possibly technique? |
| 13:42.16 | babilen | gordonjcp: You've done "4.3.3 - Booting the USB stick" ? |
| 13:42.28 | stew | it should definitely work |
| 13:42.28 | Enverex | If my ip is 92.* and the gateway is 212.* would I end up having to set the netmask to 0.0.0.0? |
| 13:42.31 | gordonjcp | babilen: yes |
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| 13:43.14 | stew | Enverex: that would not work, since then your machine would think that EVERYTHING is on your local network, and would never send anything to the gateway |
| 13:43.23 | babilen | gordonjcp: What exactly have you done? Are you sure that your system is configured to boot from USB? A couple of people followed those instructions and they worked well for them :-\ |
| 13:43.39 | stew | Enverex: you should add a network route to the network the gateway is on or a host route to the gateway |
| 13:43.39 | gordonjcp | babilen: yes, because that's how I've installed the other OSes |
| 13:44.04 | Enverex | stew, That's why I asked. My server has been issued two completely different IPs by the datacenter, one is 212 and the other is 92 which I've not had to deal with before |
| 13:44.06 | babilen | gordonjcp: What happens when you try to boot from it? |
| 13:44.20 | gordonjcp | babilen: nothing, it entirely ignores the USB stick and boots from the first hard disk |
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| 13:44.54 | babilen | gordonjcp: So, what have you done? Which images did you download (etc) |
| 13:45.15 | Enverex | stew, Can you give an example? (I'm modifying the interfaces file at the moment) |
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| 13:45.22 | gordonjcp | babilen: netinst .iso |
| 13:45.22 | babilen | gordonjcp: Could you prepare a pastebin with the command you ran? |
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| 13:45.32 | gordonjcp | babilen: yes, two secs |
| 13:45.40 | babilen | gordonjcp: sure :) |
| 13:45.46 | gordonjcp | babilen: I'll need to re-do the copying etc |
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| 13:47.32 | stew | Enverex: auto eth0 ; iface eth0 inet static ; address 92.1.2.3 netmask 255.255.255.0 ; up ip route add 212.1.2.0/24 ; up ip route add default via 212.1.2.1 |
| 13:47.59 | stew | uh, both ip route commands should have "dev eth0" appended to them |
| 13:48.31 | stew | Enverex: note that your gateway will have to also add a network route or host route, of course |
| 13:49.04 | Enverex | stew, Well the gateway is out of my control, it's probably an upstream connection box inside the datacenter.. |
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| 13:51.05 | gordonjcp | babilen: http://pastebin.com/2Xst4hk1 <- seems reasonable, but produces total bollocks |
| 13:52.29 | stew | Enverex: my guess is that they are going to end up giving you a gateway on the 92.x.x.x network |
| 13:52.59 | Enverex | stew, They didn't, they just said "here's your new IP" which is why I was a little confused |
| 13:53.00 | stew | Enverex: or an ip on the 212.x.x.x network |
| 13:53.17 | Enverex | stew, That would have been nice |
| 13:53.25 | stew | Enverex: wait, does this mean you already have an address on the 212.x.x.x network? |
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| 13:53.35 | Enverex | stew, Yes |
| 13:53.48 | babilen | gordonjcp: What does "ls /mnt" give you? What about "fdisk -l /dev/sdb" ? |
| 13:54.04 | Enverex | stew, This is my network setup at the moment, but if I bring up eth0:1, anything on 92.* cannot connect anymore - https://xnode.org/paste/48 |
| 13:54.08 | stew | Enverex: then you don't have to do any of this, just add more ip addresses to the existing interface |
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| 13:54.28 | stew | Enverex: get rid of the additional gateway line |
| 13:54.35 | gordonjcp | babilen: ls /mnt gives a large and reasonable-looking list of files |
| 13:54.38 | Enverex | stew, aaaah, I thought it seemed overly complicated |
| 13:54.45 | babilen | gordonjcp: Just a sidenote: You might want to consider installing Squeeze given that'll be released soon (feb 5/6 is expected) |
| 13:54.55 | gordonjcp | babilen: Squeeze != Lenny |
| 13:54.59 | stew | Enverex: add a netmask to eth0:1, get rid of the broadcast and network lines |
| 13:55.14 | babilen | gordonjcp: yes, squeeze != lenny -- I never said anything else |
| 13:55.18 | gordonjcp | babilen: to fill you in a bit, I have a problem with some software that segfaults on Lenny |
| 13:55.25 | Enverex | stew, That would the netmask be in circumstances like this though? |
| 13:55.44 | gordonjcp | babilen: no point testing it on Squeeze, since it needs to be tested on Lenny... |
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| 13:55.59 | gordonjcp | also, annoyingly, it appears to work just fine in Squeeze |
| 13:56.15 | babilen | what does? |
| 13:56.22 | stew | Enverex: since you aren't providing one, you'd get 255.0.0.0 since 92.48.96.119 |
| 13:56.25 | gordonjcp | babilen: a bit of software I'm developing |
| 13:56.36 | stew | since 92.48.96.119 is a class A address and that is probably wrong |
| 13:56.46 | stew | Enverex: they should be giving you a netmask |
| 13:56.51 | babilen | ah, ok -- but that is not related to your usb installation problems, is it? |
| 13:56.54 | gordonjcp | babilen: I suspect it's down to the old version of jack in Lenny, not sure yet though |
| 13:57.10 | gordonjcp | babilen: no, the USB install problems are just another roadblock ;-) |
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| 13:57.33 | Enverex | stew, Hrm ok. The company I work for owns their company so I'm going to pull rank and try and get something closer range wise |
| 13:57.48 | gordonjcp | babilen: I suspect I may just change it to *require* jack 0.118 and tell anyone using Lenny to pull their heads out of five years ago |
| 13:57.59 | babilen | gordonjcp: So, what does the fdisk command give you? |
| 13:58.30 | stew | Enverex: do you know what other ip addresses on that network use the same gateway? |
| 13:58.30 | gordonjcp | babilen: a very large list of values suggesting a corrupt partition table |
| 13:58.44 | stew | Enverex: if its just you, /32 would work, |
| 13:58.46 | babilen | gordonjcp: And please also provide the output of the ls command ... Please let me see the output |
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| 13:59.10 | Enverex | stew, I'm not sure on the topology they are using to be honest |
| 13:59.32 | babilen | gordonjcp: You might also want to consider mounting the partition (e.g. /dev/sdb1) and copying the iso there -- Could you paste the dpkg -l output directly after the zcat command? |
| 14:00.10 | gordonjcp | http://pastebin.com/sB8QBux5 |
| 14:00.33 | gordonjcp | babilen: I did copy the .iso there, as per the instructions |
| 14:00.41 | stew | Enverex: then the best you could do is guess the right netmask |
| 14:01.46 | Enverex | stew, So what sections are required under the eth0:1, just ip and netmask? |
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| 14:01.54 | stew | Enverex: yes |
| 14:02.13 | babilen | gordonjcp: Yes. You are right, the fdisk output does not look great. Could you zcat (as root ;) again, run fdisk and paste that? |
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| 14:04.09 | gordonjcp | babilen: identical to the last time |
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| 14:05.42 | babilen | which boot.img.gz did you download? |
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| 14:06.04 | gordonjcp | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz |
| 14:06.32 | wieshka | is there some diference for debian lenny with duplicity ? it does not takes export FTP_PASSWORD in bash script so ftp login fails |
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| 14:08.36 | babilen | gordonjcp: one second please |
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| 14:14.31 | Enverex | stew, 255.255.255.255 seemed to work |
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| 14:15.30 | gordonjcp | babilen: I have a solution |
| 14:16.06 | babilen | yes? (/me is still playing around with it) |
| 14:16.53 | gordonjcp | babilen: yes |
| 14:17.03 | gordonjcp | babilen: the guy who filed the bug against Debian 5 lives about 20 miles away |
| 14:17.16 | gordonjcp | babilen: sod it, I'll just drive round there and get him to show me it... |
| 14:17.36 | babilen | gordonjcp: Which bug? |
| 14:17.46 | gordonjcp | the one with my software |
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| 14:18.11 | babilen | Ah, I thought you had a solution for the usb install :-\ |
| 14:18.15 | gordonjcp | babilen: https://github.com/gordonjcp/lysdr/issues#issue/1 |
| 14:18.18 | gordonjcp | babilen: well, yes, I do |
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| 14:18.25 | gordonjcp | babilen: that way I don't have to install the damn thing |
| 14:19.21 | babilen | Ah! Hehe, well ... that is not really satisfying for #d, but will save you the work. You could also debootstrap a lenny install or run it in some virtual environment (vbox for example) |
| 14:19.46 | gordonjcp | babilen: I'll come back to it later |
| 14:20.00 | Enverex | stew, Apparently the netmask should be the same as the primary IP, but isn't the netmask based on the IP you're using it on? So if the IPs are completely different, the netmask won't mean the same thing |
| 14:20.12 | gordonjcp | babilen: I tried running in virtualbox but it wouldn't install there either; it complained about being unable to install grub but I couldn't figure out how to find out what was wrong |
| 14:20.31 | gordonjcp | also, there's not a hope in hell of virtualbox providing a valid testing environment |
| 14:21.02 | gordonjcp | babilen: I'll come back to it later. I need at least a Squeeze install for testing anyway |
| 14:21.38 | babilen | gordonjcp: If you need help get yourself to the auld reekie and i'll take a look :) |
| 14:21.59 | gordonjcp | babilen: heh |
| 14:22.19 | gordonjcp | babilen: well if I'd thought I'd have come back from Dundee that way yesterday |
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| 14:26.01 | rawtaz | stew: thank you for your help earlier. very informative! |
| 14:26.36 | satellit_ | FYI: I have a VB4 appliance of squeeze to import here:http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Emulator_image_files#Debian-squeeze-Gnome-sugar |
| 14:27.21 | stew | rawtaz: :) |
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| 14:37.18 | babilen | How do you set the background image for grub2 to a user supplied picture? Editing /usr/share/desktop-base/grub_background.sh seems not to be a good choice for a configuration file, but I couldn't find a better place. |
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| 15:08.57 | coops89 | hi, I've used update-rc.d to get 3 of my custom init.d script to start but none of them starts automatically on reboot? |
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| 15:10.22 | coops89 | doesn't seem to be any logging going on for whatever service responsible for init.d launching too.. |
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| 15:11.13 | petemc | coops89: can you see the links with ls -l /etc/rc?.d/*foo* ? |
| 15:11.41 | petemc | coops89: you can enable bootlogging in /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 15:12.07 | coops89 | petemc: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Jan 23 13:30 S70apache2 -> ../init.d/apache2 |
| 15:12.14 | coops89 | for ls -la /etc/rc6.d/ |
| 15:12.43 | coops89 | apache was turned off after reboot :( |
| 15:13.08 | coops89 | enabling bootlog debugging and rebooting |
| 15:13.14 | petemc | you should see links starting with S in 2,3,4,5 |
| 15:13.28 | coops89 | yeah |
| 15:13.39 | coops89 | I added apache to 6 though, to make it start after mysql |
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| 15:14.16 | coops89 | does later init.d services get canceled if a previous startup fails? |
| 15:14.22 | petemc | coops89: debian uses runlevel 2 by default |
| 15:14.43 | coops89 | okay, so It doesn't just go trough them in order? |
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| 15:15.06 | petemc | if you want something to start later, see the number following S in the links in rc?.d |
| 15:15.33 | petemc | man update-rc.d should explain it, or zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz |
| 15:15.35 | coops89 | what is the purpose of runlevel? what difference does it make? |
| 15:15.59 | petemc | for debian, 2 through 5 are the same |
| 15:16.14 | petemc | you're free to change this if you so decide |
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| 15:37.56 | Infin1ty|work | i change static ip in /etc/network/interfaces (it was 10.0.0.240, changed to 10.0.0.5) yet after restarting networking service, it still goes to 10.0.0.240, interfaces goes down, then up and yet get it, i have no DHCP in the network and i have no dhcp cache files in /var/lib |
| 15:37.58 | Infin1ty|work | what can cause it? |
| 15:38.24 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
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| 15:39.30 | abrotman | Infin1ty|work: it was set by something else? |
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| 15:40.01 | Infin1ty|work | abrotman, i can't find what. |
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| 15:40.11 | Infin1ty|work | abrotman, it's a server, very baisc |
| 15:40.14 | Infin1ty|work | basic* |
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| 15:40.27 | abrotman | how are you taking it down ? |
| 15:40.35 | Infin1ty|work | /etc/init.d/networking |
| 15:41.34 | abrotman | tried ifdown/ifup? |
| 15:41.47 | Infin1ty|work | yes, sitll receive the old ip |
| 15:41.50 | Infin1ty|work | very strange |
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| 15:42.26 | Infin1ty|work | well, modprobe -r and modprobe fixed it |
| 15:42.30 | Infin1ty|work | probably cache somewhere |
| 15:45.12 | rawtaz | is it possible to tell aptitude to install a "variant" of a package, so that for example if nginx wants to install geoip-database and i know im not going to use that, i can skip it? |
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| 15:45.36 | cahoot | tried without-recommends? |
| 15:45.41 | rawtaz | no |
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| 15:46.05 | rawtaz | will do |
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| 15:46.55 | rawtaz | nice cahoot, that moved one of the four to-be-installed packages to a list of recommendations that will not be installed |
| 15:47.42 | rawtaz | i take it that is the most restriction one can do when installing a package, the ones not moved to this seperate will-not-be-installed list are simply dependencies that are required? |
| 15:48.19 | cahoot | my unqualified guess would be yes |
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| 15:48.39 | rawtaz | thanks :) |
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| 15:57.34 | mick_laptop | hi everyone, what is the best way to remove and replace /vin/login |
| 15:57.46 | mick_laptop | bin/login |
| 15:57.52 | mick_laptop | w/ the official version |
| 15:57.58 | abrotman | what happened to yours? |
| 15:58.01 | mick_laptop | yes my box was owned |
| 15:58.08 | abrotman | then you should reinstall |
| 15:58.22 | mick_laptop | i know i know |
| 15:58.37 | mick_laptop | i just want to mitigate this |
| 15:58.49 | mick_laptop | during a transitional period |
| 15:59.25 | mick_laptop | my dovecot (during an upgrade) took a dive and then used an older conf (that allowed cleartext logins) |
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| 16:00.01 | mick_laptop | so then.. well that screen session had a root console open... |
| 16:00.14 | mick_laptop | and the rest is history |
| 16:00.21 | mick_laptop | bash history :P |
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| 16:03.00 | abrotman | mick_laptop: you can reinstall the login package? |
| 16:03.15 | mick_laptop | i figured that you could |
| 16:03.16 | mick_laptop | :P |
| 16:03.26 | mick_laptop | Trojaned version of file '/bin/login' detected. Signature used: 'bash|elite|SucKIT|xlogin|vejeta|porcao|lets_log|sukasuk' (Generic). |
| 16:03.50 | abrotman | uh yay |
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| 16:08.53 | mick_laptop | yeah |
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| 16:09.04 | mick_laptop | and it has something to do w/ the upgrade that i did |
| 16:09.13 | mick_laptop | minutes after i saw that happen |
| 16:09.31 | mick_laptop | so i think it might be a bad dovecot config (guessing) |
| 16:12.13 | mick_laptop | i'm reading my logs and this is really really weird |
| 16:12.25 | mick_laptop | it happened around the time of the upgrade for sure |
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| 16:21.39 | mick_laptop | abrotman: i am checking to see if this is a fp |
| 16:21.49 | mick_laptop | it is too weird that it would be during an upgrade |
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| 16:25.23 | mick_laptop | can someone give me the sha or md5 or /bin/login for the latest in testing |
| 16:25.33 | mick_laptop | latest version* |
| 16:26.09 | mick_laptop | sha1sum /bin/login |
| 16:26.10 | mick_laptop | 5cbf37442dfabb233e601498e6e70f929077476a /bin/login |
| 16:26.18 | mick_laptop | that is what i have |
| 16:26.44 | mick_laptop | dpkg -l | grep login |
| 16:26.44 | dpkg | ii | grep login 1.9-1.3 mick_laptop's private porn collection |
| 16:26.45 | mick_laptop | ii login 1:4.1.4.2+svn3283-2 system login tools |
| 16:26.45 | flinx | 436187ee9c4cad03ba2c57b8c4b8fb120f710e1f /bin/login |
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| 16:27.09 | abrotman | uh .. |
| 16:27.28 | abrotman | flinx: is that on squeeze? |
| 16:27.36 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 16:28.09 | mick_laptop | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:28.10 | mick_laptop | 6.0 |
| 16:28.35 | abrotman | /var/lib/dpkg/info/login.md5sums:10bd15827954ec98b4232210a7fb3c1d bin/login .. on my laptop/squeeze |
| 16:28.41 | batchy | what arch ? |
| 16:28.54 | Azrael_- | got an lvm with multiple lvs. i'm searching now for a possibility put drbd beneath a lv and synchronize it with a remote server. do you have any idea how this could be done? |
| 16:29.13 | mick_laptop | x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 16:29.15 | abrotman | he didn't specify ... but he can find it himself in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 16:30.11 | pipeline | Azrael_-: nothing stops you from doing that. Use pvmove to migrate the LV onto drbd. |
| 16:30.56 | Azrael_- | pipeline: i know but i don't have a free disk/partition to create another pv to use pvmove for it. |
| 16:31.13 | pipeline | Azrael_-: then you're screwed |
| 16:31.29 | mick_laptop | any reason for all of these sumchecks being different? |
| 16:31.43 | mick_laptop | or is there a way to see if the package was signed? |
| 16:31.59 | mick_laptop | to see if it came from the repo or not? |
| 16:32.04 | abrotman | mick_laptop: you already said it has been compromised .. you can't really trust anything on the system |
| 16:32.07 | abrotman | !debsumjs |
| 16:32.09 | abrotman | !debsums |
| 16:32.26 | abrotman | bleh |
| 16:32.35 | abrotman | judd: info debsums --release squeeze --arch amd64 |
| 16:32.37 | judd | Package debsums (admin, optional) in squeeze/amd64: tool for verification of installed package files against MD5 checksums. Version: 2.0.48+nmu3; Size: 57.7k; Installed: 320k |
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| 16:32.56 | Azrael_- | pipeline: do you know how much drbd slows the normal usage down? e.g. if you have one remote source or if there is none? |
| 16:33.14 | pipeline | Azrael_-: don't know |
| 16:33.37 | mick_laptop | actually, i was looking at the signature for this thing |
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| 16:33.56 | mick_laptop | can someone try this: strings /bin/login | grep -E "bash|elite|SucKIT|xlogin|vejeta|porcao|lets_log|sukasuk" |
| 16:34.12 | mick_laptop | it returns bash 2x for me |
| 16:34.16 | flinx | abrotman, yes it is on Squeeze (sorry about the delay)\ |
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| 16:35.41 | jhutchins_lt | I wonder if running the testing release which doesn't have full security support on a public server would have any possible impact? |
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| 16:36.12 | abrotman | you could |
| 16:36.14 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 16:36.14 | dpkg | well, tracker of doom is The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/. Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan>.read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ or http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences |
| 16:37.35 | mick_laptop | someone mind seeing if that returns bash for them? |
| 16:37.37 | mick_laptop | strings /bin/login | grep -E "bash|elite|SucKIT|xlogin|vejeta|porcao|lets_log|sukasuk" |
| 16:38.09 | mick_laptop | i think that might have set off my IDS |
| 16:38.11 | xingu | mick_laptop: ouch, in a word. |
| 16:38.55 | mick_laptop | strings /bin/login | grep -E "bash" really |
| 16:38.56 | xingu | mick_laptop: returns /bin/bash\n/bin/bash for me |
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| 16:39.11 | mick_laptop | ok same here |
| 16:39.24 | mick_laptop | looks like the signature looked for that |
| 16:39.30 | mick_laptop | may be a fp |
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| 16:46.44 | mick_laptop | !debums |
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| 16:47.33 | abrotman | mick_laptop: install the debsums package |
| 16:47.38 | abrotman | read the man page .. run it |
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| 16:48.45 | mick_laptop | i did |
| 16:48.48 | abrotman | and? |
| 16:48.50 | mick_laptop | w/ -as |
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| 16:49.08 | mick_laptop | it says that some (like binutils) have missing md5s |
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| 16:51.12 | abrotman | probably shouldn't be missing |
| 16:51.44 | abrotman | oh, missing for me too |
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| 16:52.16 | mick_laptop | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=JcrkyuQq |
| 16:52.28 | mick_laptop | that is the output that i get |
| 16:52.47 | mick_laptop | abrotman: thanks for that hint btw - I didn't know that there was something like BART for Debian |
| 16:53.13 | abrotman | so, unless the 'cracker' changed your md5sums file for login, you're fine |
| 16:54.06 | mick_laptop | bart == basic audit & reporting tool (it is a solaris thing), I forgot that some people may not have heard of that acronymn |
| 16:55.03 | mick_laptop | md5sum /bin/login |
| 16:55.04 | mick_laptop | 85d0cb1d73ba5c2819719223efc6065f /bin/login |
| 16:55.28 | mick_laptop | i'm not sure if that can be validated like that or if there are other factors |
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| 16:56.36 | mick_laptop | xingu mentioned address space randomization in a /msg - I didn't know that would affect it |
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| 16:58.59 | mick_laptop | well thanks guys |
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| 17:02.36 | mick_laptop | because of the circumstances (it being flagged during an upgrade) and the mailinglist for my IDS mentioning it as being a possible fp when it returns "/bin/bash\n/bin/bash", debsums seems to be ok w/ it -- I think I'll treat it as such |
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| 17:02.55 | mick_laptop | unless there is a way to check the package signature (via gpg)? |
| 17:03.11 | mick_laptop | anyways- thanks a lot |
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| 17:03.26 | mick_laptop | if you guys think of something else, please /msg me |
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| 17:11.09 | jhutchins_lt | mick_laptop: Tests run from a compromised system must be assumed to be compromised. Only by testing the system from a known valid system like a live CD can the tests be relied on. |
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| 17:13.22 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: assumed known valid? :) |
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| 17:16.30 | nvz | abrotman: just cause you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. |
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| 17:17.15 | abrotman | who? |
| 17:17.24 | xingu | the eponymous they |
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| 17:24.46 | babilen | Does anybody know how one is supposed to set a user supplied background image for grub2? /usr/share/desktop-base/grub_background.sh seems to be the best choice (set WALLPAPER in /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme) but editing "configuration" files in /usr feels awkward. |
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| 17:26.24 | rawtaz | hm are ssl certs stored in /etc/ssl/certs on debian? |
| 17:27.22 | BLZbubba | yes |
| 17:27.27 | rawtaz | great |
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| 17:27.31 | BLZbubba | for apache2 |
| 17:27.52 | rawtaz | i want to create a self-signed one for my ftp server |
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| 17:28.18 | rawtaz | normally i would put it in /etc/ssl/certs |
| 17:28.43 | abrotman | babilen: huh? |
| 17:29.01 | babilen | abrotman: hah?! |
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| 17:29.23 | rawtaz | duh it created it when i installed openssl >_< |
| 17:29.25 | abrotman | babilen: nothing to change in /etc/default/grub ? |
| 17:30.03 | neglesaks | anyone have a link to the torrents for 508? deb.org currently links 507 |
| 17:31.04 | stew | neglesaks: i'm not sure we have them built yet. you can use 5.0.7 and upgrade |
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| 17:32.36 | babilen | abrotman: No -- That would be the sensible choice. It looks as if the alternative system is used to set wallpapers (desktop-grub) but that only allows oneself to install backgrounds that came with some package. /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme sources /usr/share/desktop-base/grub_background.sh (which sets WALLPAPER in 05_debian_style) with the comment "# Include the configuration of desktop-base if available" -- But editing ... |
| 17:32.42 | babilen | ... /usr/share/desktop-base/grub_background.sh feels wrong (and I don't want to advocate that) |
| 17:33.19 | xingu | babilen: GRUB_VIDEO_ACKGROUND in /etc/grub.conf seems like a reasonable guess based on /etc/grub.d/00_header |
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| 17:33.41 | babilen | for grub2 ? |
| 17:33.54 | xingu | aah, no. |
| 17:34.38 | xingu | s/ACK/BACK/ |
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| 17:36.45 | neglesaks | thank you stew |
| 17:37.07 | babilen | I am just not sure how one is to handle that. There are some horrible tutorials on the interweb that advocate editing /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme directly, and hardcoding an image there. grub2-splashimage's README says to "edit /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme" and editing " WALLPAPER="/usr/share/images/..." which is not in that file (anymore?) |
| 17:38.06 | xingu | babilen: I don't have a grub2 reference handy; does /etc/grub.d/00_header still exist, and does it have any _BACKGROUND variables? |
| 17:38.15 | babilen | the default is set via the alternative system, but I can't really see a sensible way to set a user supplied one. Am thinking about filing a bug, after I came up with a patch ... But am just not sure how it is supposed to be handled. |
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| 17:40.14 | babilen | xingu: xingu GRUB_BACKGROUND is mentioned in 00_header, but is not defined there. I haven't read and understand that script, but it seems as if the background image is rather set by 05_debian_theme |
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| 17:40.38 | xingu | babilen: only if GRUB_BACKGROUND is undefined |
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| 17:41.35 | xingu | babilen: I'd test out defining GRUB_BACKGROUND in /etc/grub.conf on that basis and see what happened |
| 17:41.55 | babilen | xingu: Ok, I'll check how GRUB_BACKGROUND is set in 00_header then. But all this seems quite counterproductive ... I am also not sure that the selection in 00_header is not shadowed by 05_debian_theme |
| 17:42.01 | debiantonio | install debian amd64 with kernel 2.6.32-5-amd 64 but cannot boot anything :( |
| 17:42.37 | xingu | babilen: 05_debian_theme in the grub-pc world gives highest precedence to GRUB_BACKGROUND var |
| 17:42.38 | babilen | I don't want to bug KiBi about this if there is indeed a standard way to achieve that ... just not sure how. |
| 17:43.09 | xingu | babilen: last four lines show a first-match ruleset |
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| 17:43.40 | xingu | (last five, default rule is "set_default_theme") |
| 17:43.43 | babilen | xingu: in 00 or 05? |
| 17:43.53 | xingu | babilen: in 05_debian_theme |
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| 17:45.44 | babilen | xingu: Yeah, I've seen that, so GRUB_BACKGROUND is the first that is tried ... But where is it set? I don't have a /etc/grub.conf just /etc/default/grub and I am not sure how/where that file is included. |
| 17:46.24 | babilen | I have to confess that grub2 configuration is still a bit of a mystery and I typically end up reading the scripts in /etc/grub.d to figure out what is happening |
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| 17:48.54 | xingu | babilen: possibly /etc/default/grub then would be my next guess |
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| 17:52.37 | anddam | hi |
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| 17:53.24 | babilen | xingu: Yeah, that would be the sensible and IMHO best choice. I just don't see it advocated or documented anywhere and don't understand the scripts in /etc/grub.d/ well enough to be sure that this is indeed working. I'll try it though. Thanks for the discussion and pointers so far! |
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| 18:00.51 | rawtaz | im trying to get vsftpd running in a vz container, and ive even commented out some things from the config, when i do /etc/init.d/vsftpd start, it says its starting it but it doesnt start. no vsftpd process running, and nothing in the log files under /var/log. any ideas what im missing? |
| 18:01.44 | rawtaz | ill try it with the totally defualt config |
| 18:02.27 | abrotman | did you try it with the default config ? |
| 18:02.27 | rawtaz | that does it. |
| 18:02.31 | rawtaz | did now, it works |
| 18:02.59 | rawtaz | ive been running it for several years and have a solid config file i use, and i edited paths and other obviously system-dependent things in it but i guess there's something more :) |
| 18:03.08 | rawtaz | ill see if i can apply more debug info |
| 18:03.15 | abrotman | or check the logs? |
| 18:03.38 | rawtaz | abrotman: i did check almost everything under /var/log but there was nothing |
| 18:03.50 | stew | start it by hand with the bad config and see what pops out |
| 18:04.03 | rawtaz | ok |
| 18:06.02 | babilen | xingu: I've just read #608263 and GRUB_BACKGROUND seems to be the preferred way. I am just not sure if the changes made it into Squeeze as the bug was closed with an upload to experimental and does not cover exactly the same use case ... good to see that our intuitions about /etc/default/grub were correct though. |
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| 18:08.15 | babilen | xingu: Main problem seems to be that 00_ and /etc/default/grub is owned by upstream and 05_ and /usr/share/desktop-base/grub_background.sh is owned by Debian and that the maintainers are not quite sure how to implement all that. (See e.g. #608283 too) |
| 18:08.30 | xingu | neat |
| 18:09.41 | rawtaz | it was a syntax error in the config file ;( |
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| 18:10.23 | babilen | xingu: ARCH went the /etc/default/grub route already for colour configuration ... Ah well, API flux |
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| 18:16.41 | jhutchins | The grub2 api is a friggin' cesspool. |
| 18:17.48 | jhutchins | Do I really need to have all the code necessary to boot DOS2 over the photon link to a DEC PDP10? |
| 18:20.05 | xingu | jhutchins: if it can't boot from tape, it's no use to anyone |
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| 18:22.36 | jhutchins | Yes, but the paper tape drive is on the other computer, I really don't need that grub module here. |
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| 18:23.46 | jhutchins | While the code for booting your quantum computer from a different point in time is interesting, and I applaud the anticipation of future technology, I don't think it needs to be in the production build. |
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| 18:24.05 | xingu | I wonder if anyone's looked into pxe booting from a punch card reader yet |
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| 18:25.25 | jhutchins | I'm sure it's in there somewhere. |
| 18:26.32 | jhutchins | I particularly enjoyed the section on chain-booting a jaquard loom. |
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| 18:40.01 | BLZbubba | is there a way to tell dpkg and apt to ignore certain dependencies? i have one utility that doesn't really need X but it ends up loading gtk, qt, mysql-server, and a whole bunch of bloat |
| 18:40.24 | BLZbubba | but i don't want to maintain a separate deb for it |
| 18:40.26 | babilen | which package is that? |
| 18:41.15 | jordanm | BLZbubba: if a package declares Depends on something it really doesn't depend on, thats a policy violation |
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| 18:43.44 | BLZbubba | babilen: mythtv backend config utility is X based, but it should be its own separate package |
| 18:43.57 | BLZbubba | since all you need to configure it is one tiny config file |
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| 18:44.57 | jordanm | ,versions mythtv |
| 18:44.58 | judd | Package mythtv on i386 -- etch-multimedia: 0.21-0.11etch1; lenny-multimedia: 0.23.1-0.0lenny2; squeeze-multimedia: 0.23.1-0.1; squeeze-multimedia: 0.24+fixes20101231-0.1; sid-multimedia: 0.24+fixes20110121-0.0 |
| 18:45.04 | jordanm | ,depends mythtv |
| 18:45.06 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'mythtv' was found in lenny/i386. |
| 18:45.14 | babilen | ah, marillat -- no wonder I haven't found it |
| 18:45.15 | jordanm | ,depends mythtv --release lenny-multimedia |
| 18:45.17 | judd | Package mythtv -- depends: mythtv-database (>= 0.23.1-0.0lenny2), mythtv-frontend (>= 0.23.1-0.0lenny2), mythtv-backend (>= 0.23.1-0.0lenny2). |
| 18:45.37 | jordanm | BLZbubba: probably recommends, not Depends. use -R |
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| 18:48.58 | Led_Zeppelin | is it possible for a process to be owned by root, then to userA, and then to userB (temporarly) and move back to userA ? |
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| 18:49.34 | babilen | anybody knows if mythtv is still the best choice? what about xbmc or moovida? |
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| 18:50.12 | yki | can someone explain how can I combine public_html folder & dyndns-ip.com using apache2?? Cause now it shows my home-gateway.. |
| 18:50.21 | babilen | Led_Zeppelin: like setuid? |
| 18:50.50 | BLZbubba | jordanm: it is right in the package though: |
| 18:50.51 | BLZbubba | root@mythbe:~# dpkg -L mythtv-backend | grep mythtv-setup\$ |
| 18:50.51 | BLZbubba | /usr/bin/mythtv-setup |
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| 18:51.54 | BLZbubba | so i would like a quick & dirty hack to have it skip all of the dependencies that mythtv-setup has |
| 18:52.16 | Led_Zeppelin | is that what its called? |
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| 18:52.20 | BLZbubba | it's not worth a ton of effort, i was really just curious if there is any workaround for this; i have been hosed by it before |
| 18:52.40 | Led_Zeppelin | babilen, root->userA->userB (temporary/quickly)->userB ? |
| 18:53.07 | babilen | Led_Zeppelin: mom (tel, probably afk) |
| 18:53.20 | Led_Zeppelin | ehe ok :-) |
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| 19:01.05 | jordanm | BLZbubba: did you try my without recommends suggestion? |
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| 19:01.33 | sefz | Hi |
| 19:01.36 | babilen | Led_Zeppelin: sorry, have to go. |
| 19:02.42 | sefz | anyone experienced with PPTPD ? I am not understanding the values i have to put to localip/remoteip on my .conf |
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| 19:03.50 | BLZbubba | jordanm: no, i was asking if there is a way to have dpkg & apt ignore a particular dependency |
| 19:04.10 | abrotman | no |
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| 19:04.16 | abrotman | if it really is a dependency |
| 19:04.27 | jordanm | ,depends mythtv-backend --release lenny-multimedia |
| 19:04.28 | dondelelcaro | BLZbubba: you fix the dependency |
| 19:04.29 | judd | Package mythtv-backend -- depends: mythtv-common (= 0.23.1-0.0lenny2), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libmyth-0.23.1-0 (>= 0.23.1), libqt4-network (>= 4.4.3), libqt4-qt3support (>= 4.4.3), libqt4-sql (>= 4.4.3), libqt4-xml (>= 4.4.3), libqtcore4 (>= 4.4.3), libqtgui4 (>= 4.4.3), libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1), cron, wget, transcode. |
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| 19:04.56 | jordanm | BLZbubba: I don't see the stuff you were complaining about as a depends, its probably a recommends as it should be |
| 19:04.57 | dondelelcaro | (there are lots of ways to cheat if you have to, but normally you shouldn't have to or want to) |
| 19:05.47 | BLZbubba | i agree, i just want to figure out how to cheat for the rare times when i can use it |
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| 19:06.26 | BLZbubba | jordanm: mythtv-setup is a binary that is linked to qt, so there is no way it can just be a recommends |
| 19:07.15 | BLZbubba | dondelelcaro: what is the simplest way to get around a dependency? |
| 19:07.22 | dondelelcaro | BLZbubba: then you either manually fix the dependencies by editing the package, or use equivs |
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| 19:08.14 | BLZbubba | dondelelcaro: ah cool, thanks |
| 19:09.06 | BLZbubba | jordanm: i didn't really want to fix this problem, it was just some research into how to work around it if i had to. thanks for the info :) |
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| 19:13.43 | sefz | anyone experienced with PPTPD ? I am not understanding the values i have to put to localip/remoteip on my .conf? it works but is not routing over the internet |
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| 19:23.12 | gigo | firefox-bin seems to be occupying 100% CPU at times. anyone else facing this problem in squeeze? |
| 19:23.29 | gigo | it makes the system very slow and unresponsive like Windows very frequently. |
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| 19:26.37 | jelly-hme | ,versions iceweasel |
| 19:26.39 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-4~bpo50+1; sid: 3.5.16-4; squeeze: 3.5.16-4; experimental: 3.6.13-2 |
| 19:27.06 | jelly-hme | Firefox 3.5.x used to be less stable for me than 3.6.x series |
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| 19:27.17 | flexy | cpu frequency scaling monitor and grep MHz /proc/cpuinfo both shows that cpu core speed changes independently, but cpufreq-info |grep curr shows that the individual cores change frequencies all at the same time. Which do I believe? |
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| 19:29.28 | abrotman | gigo: flash probably |
| 19:29.38 | nvz | gigo: firefox is a resource hog especially where flash is involved |
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| 19:30.29 | flo|linux | hi |
| 19:30.39 | flo|linux | how can i use mybashburn with debian lenny? |
| 19:30.54 | flo|linux | i installed it and entered mybashburn, but it simply reverts me to my shelö |
| 19:31.00 | flo|linux | *shell |
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| 19:33.58 | Kakarott | Greetings. Could anybody can help me get my microphone on debian testing with kde and pulseaudio working ? |
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| 19:36.45 | BLZbubba | does debian squeeze reboot without going through POST? |
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| 19:37.49 | cusco | BLZbubba: that does not depend on debian but on your hardware |
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| 19:38.01 | cusco | debian calls acpi to power off /reboot your machine |
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| 19:41.54 | dondelelcaro | BLZbubba: it can if you have kexec-tools installed |
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| 19:45.51 | jelly-hme | dondelelcaro: do kexec-tools set up the boot loader and shutdown scripts for that to work, or is it still mostly manual configuration? |
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| 19:48.46 | dondelelcaro | jelly-hme: no clue |
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| 19:49.56 | dondelelcaro | jelly-hme: apparently it does, but I've not tested it myself |
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| 19:50.24 | jelly-hme | reboots don |
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| 19:53.45 | pythoned | How do you remove on screen keyboard and orca reader? Are they in one package? If yes, what's it's name? Thanks! |
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| 19:58.31 | nvz | whats the command to type if I want a user to ssh into my machine so i can access their remote desktop port through ssh? (59000 |
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| 19:59.44 | duxklr | ssh -L 5900:ip.address.of.RDP.server:5900 ip.of.desktop |
| 20:00.02 | duxklr | then RDP to localhost:5900 to get forwarded off to RDP server. |
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| 20:01.13 | nvz | duxklr: would that be their external ip or their internal ip? |
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| 20:03.43 | duxklr | which on? |
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| 20:03.46 | pythoned | How do you remove on screen keyboard and orca reader? Are they in one package? If yes, what's it's name? Thanks! |
| 20:03.52 | nvz | duxklr: the rdp server one |
| 20:03.54 | pythoned | No one knows? |
| 20:04.11 | duxklr | If I understand the question correctly, the IP inbetween the 5900's is the internal |
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| 20:04.52 | duxklr | nvz, -L [bind_address:]port:host:hostport |
| 20:04.53 | duxklr | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.27 | flexy | cpu frequency scaling monitor and grep MHz /proc/cpuinfo both shows that cpu core speed changes independently, but cpufreq-info |grep curr shows that the individual cores change frequencies all at the same time. Which do I believe? |
| 20:05.31 | duxklr | oh, now that I just pasted that and actually looked at it, that is more confusing. |
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| 20:20.59 | nvz | I'm not sure what is being done wrong here.. a user is doing "ssh -L 5900:their.internal.ip:5900 user@my.eternal.ip" and I am trying to RDP to localhost:5900 and its saying connection closed when netstat on their end shows vino-server listening on 5900 |
| 20:21.00 | tuv | in a makefile, i have 'CONFIG = release\n debug: CONFIG = debug\n bin/$(CONFIG):\n mkdir -p $@', which always creates bin/release, and never bin/debug. why wouldn't $@ expand macros? |
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| 20:22.10 | duxklr | nvz, from your external IP can you: telnet their.internal.ip 5900 |
| 20:22.10 | duxklr | ? |
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| 20:22.29 | jelly-hme | nvz: can you access their.internal.ip:5900 on that machine. |
| 20:22.45 | jelly-hme | ... right, what the other guy said ;-) |
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| 20:23.12 | nvz | duxklr: name or service not known it says |
| 20:23.39 | vin | jelly-hme: install arch |
| 20:24.01 | duxklr | name or service not known... Humm... Are you actually using an IP addresses or DNS name? |
| 20:24.04 | jelly-hme | vin: sorry? |
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| 20:24.12 | nvz | duxklr: ip addresses only |
| 20:25.11 | duxklr | nvz, are you using VNC or RDP? |
| 20:25.28 | nvz | duxklr: his internal ip is 192.168.1.5, so he typed "ssh -L 5900:192.168.1.5:5900 user@76.125.250.135" |
| 20:25.39 | nvz | duxklr: using the remote desktop in gnome a.k.a. vino-server |
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| 20:26.03 | nvz | duxklr: netstat shows it listening on his box on 5900 |
| 20:26.18 | nvz | duxklr: I just cant connect to it once he ssh's into my bo |
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| 20:26.46 | duxklr | nvz, listening on the public interface and not just loopback right? |
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| 20:27.55 | duxklr | nvz, netstat -an should say something like: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:5900 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 20:28.20 | nvz | duxklr: if it were only listening on local how would you change that? |
| 20:28.32 | duxklr | But either way... I think the problemis not with his remote system. The fact that you can't telnet to port 5900 from your server is a problem. |
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| 20:29.17 | nvz | duxklr: "tcp6 0 0 :::5900 :::* LISTEN 1386/vino-server" |
| 20:29.24 | duxklr | nvz, I personally don't know the vino-server, but most "debian" like services either are configured to listen to localhost in the /etc/vino-server or /etc/default/vino-server like configuration file. |
| 20:29.37 | duxklr | Find the configuration file and modify it. |
| 20:29.39 | nvz | duxklr: is what he says his netstat tells him |
| 20:29.54 | duxklr | nvz, tcp6 is IPv6. |
| 20:30.09 | nvz | duxklr: yes it works on ipv6 by default |
| 20:31.12 | duxklr | Look at this (I hope this is not considered flooding, someone correct me if it is): |
| 20:31.14 | duxklr | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 20:31.14 | duxklr | tcp6 0 0 :::22 :::* LISTEN |
| 20:31.24 | duxklr | YOu should have 2 listeners. |
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| 20:31.37 | duxklr | One on IPv6 socket and one on the IPv4 socket. |
| 20:31.52 | duxklr | This is just an example... Replace port 22 with port 5900 |
| 20:32.06 | tuv | !ipv6 |
| 20:32.06 | dpkg | Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is the next-generation IP version designed to replace IPv4. Available in Debian since <potato>, full IPv6 support is a release goal for Squeeze. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 http://ipv6.debian.net/ http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ http://www.ipv6.org/ #debian-ipv6 on irc.oftc.net, #ipv6 on irc.freenode.net. To disable IPv6 on your system, ask me about <noipv6>. |
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| 20:32.46 | dvs | lenny doesn't have full IPv6 support? |
| 20:32.51 | nvz | duxklr: right I know the difference between ipv6 and ipv4 addressing |
| 20:33.07 | Tramp | and anyways. If duxklr wants to connect to the machine the other guy connects /from/ it's -R he needs, not -L |
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| 20:34.57 | duxklr | tramp, based on what nvz said above. I think he is trying to connect to localhost to get forwared to a remote VNC server proxied though another box. |
| 20:35.28 | nvz | yeah this user doesn't have access to his router for me to remote support |
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| 20:35.38 | nvz | so I'm trying to let him ssh into my machine to forward the port |
| 20:35.48 | Tramp | duxklr: ah, nvz is the asker - anyways. If the connection goes from server side to client side, it's -R |
| 20:36.03 | Tramp | -L is for tunneling from client to server |
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| 20:36.45 | Tramp | in other words, -L opens the listener on the client, -R opens the listener on the server |
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| 20:37.43 | duxklr | I misunderstood the question then, I thought he said he was SSH'ing into the remote server. |
| 20:38.16 | Tramp | I thing the other guy is sshing into nvz's server, then nvz tries to connect "back" |
| 20:38.16 | Tramp | think |
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| 20:38.36 | Tramp | to give the other guy remote-support by means of rdp |
| 20:39.12 | duxklr | What I told you to do was. 1) SSH into remote "proxy" server using the -L options. 2) then you VNC localhost 5900 3) your localhost connection proxies the requst to the remote machine. 4) The remote machines makes the actual request to the VNC server. |
| 20:39.36 | jduggan | guys - feel like a noob with this, using grub2, how the hell does one change the root device/block device etc?... i've recovered a system chrooted myself into the environment normally i just change /dev/sdaX to /dev/sdbX etc in menu.list but looks like this is using grub2... where do i change those entries? |
| 20:39.37 | duxklr | If this is not what you are doing, then I told you wrong. |
| 20:40.52 | dvs | jduggan: /etc/default/grub |
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| 20:41.26 | tuv | in a makefile, i have 'CONFIG = release\n debug: CONFIG = debug\n bin/$(CONFIG):\n mkdir -p $@', which always creates bin/release, and never bin/debug. why wouldn't $@ expand macros? |
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| 20:42.37 | jduggan | dvs: there is no root or kernel lines in there - where do you change that? |
| 20:43.04 | cahoot | jduggan: if you simply run grub-install? |
| 20:43.27 | cahoot | btw - os-prober installed? |
| 20:43.28 | tuv | or dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc |
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| 20:44.32 | jduggan | right now im in /dev/sdbX when i reboot i'll be /dev/sdaX, i just want to change those paths in what was menu.lst |
| 20:44.37 | jduggan | grub-install isnt doing that for me |
| 20:44.53 | jduggan | os-prober works |
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| 20:46.52 | cahoot | jduggan: if you enable uuids in default/grub? |
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| 20:51.47 | tuv | http://pastebin.com/XVVHUmcu <= 'make debug' creates dir. release. how do i get 'make debug' to create the debug dir. ? |
| 20:51.49 | jduggan | cahoot: that did the trick - thanks, appears to be booting |
| 20:52.06 | cahoot | ok |
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| 20:56.04 | laurus | Which brands of printers work best on Debian systems? |
| 20:56.15 | streuner_ | hp |
| 20:56.21 | dvs | laurus: Most postscript printers. |
| 20:56.32 | laurus | dvs, what does that mean, sorry? :P |
| 20:56.38 | streuner_ | or just use a network printer :-) |
| 20:56.47 | streuner_ | (no driver needed...) |
| 20:56.54 | laurus | streuner_, hah. Any brands other than HP? |
| 20:56.55 | dvs | laurus: A printer that can handle PostScript codes |
| 20:57.02 | laurus | dvs, oh ok. How can I tell? |
| 20:57.22 | streuner_ | laurus: see my answer above :-) |
| 20:57.24 | dvs | laurus: Read the tech specs |
| 20:57.27 | streuner_ | (network printer) |
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| 20:57.45 | laurus | streuner_, so you're saying plug the printer into a router or something? |
| 20:58.05 | streuner_ | laurus: a network printer is like a NIC, it has an IP... |
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| 20:58.44 | dvs | a printer with its own web site... hmmm.... |
| 20:58.54 | streuner_ | laurus: but basically you can always visit linuxprinting.org and look whats supported in Linux and whats not... |
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| 20:59.17 | laurus | streuner_, oh, ok, I didn't know it was more of a kernel than a distribution thing |
| 20:59.18 | laurus | Thanks! |
| 20:59.32 | streuner_ | laurus: its a driver issue |
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| 20:59.39 | laurus | By the way, someone in the Debian project should really put together a guide to Debian for new desktop users |
| 20:59.44 | nick108 | Hi there, I'm struggling with SSH public key authentication |
| 21:00.05 | streuner_ | laurus: nobody stops you :-) |
| 21:00.15 | laurus | streuner_, heh, yeah, I know, I should do it. |
| 21:00.25 | laurus | Debian is so usable, I think it's just as usable as Ubuntu |
| 21:00.30 | laurus | There are just key things people need to know to get started |
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| 21:01.00 | streuner_ | laurus: network printers has a big advantage, in case the driver is broken (hplip etc. etc.) it works ;-) |
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| 21:01.37 | streuner_ | they cost a little bit more than a "normal" printer, but without headaches |
| 21:01.48 | laurus | streuner_, hmm okay |
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| 21:03.07 | nick108 | when I SSH in with -vvv flag I see this message |
| 21:03.09 | nick108 | debug3: key_read: missing whitespace |
| 21:03.26 | nick108 | not sure if this could be the source of my login problems? |
| 21:03.43 | nick108 | here's the full output http://openstream.pastebin.com/aMBfU4rv |
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| 21:05.22 | laurus | streuner_, is this a good sign? http://solutions.brother.co.jp/support/os/linux/cups_printer/install_08a.html |
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| 21:05.37 | rawtaz | ehm |
| 21:05.42 | rawtaz | apache |
| 21:05.43 | laurus | They seem to have provided a "CUPS wrapper" for the printer |
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| 21:06.58 | xingu | laurus: a saucer? :) |
| 21:07.07 | dvs | laurus: if I could read it, I'd tell you. ;-) |
| 21:07.36 | xingu | dvs: chrome's autotranslate does a passable job |
| 21:07.48 | laurus | xingu, saucer = source code :P |
| 21:08.08 | laurus | dvs, it just says "we provide modules licensed under GPL with source code" |
| 21:08.10 | xingu | hee hee |
| 21:08.14 | xingu | "setenforce 0" |
| 21:08.18 | xingu | that just fills me with hope |
| 21:08.33 | laurus | I haven't gone into CUPS in years |
| 21:08.42 | laurus | I'm just trying to make sure this method will work |
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| 21:22.46 | rawtaz | does anyone know how to install php5 and get its fpm functionality? it should be in php5.3.3 which is what i am getting via squeeze. but i cannot find any fpm binaries and i dont see fpm in php5 --help and there's no /etc/php5/fpm folder either. where is it? :O |
| 21:23.05 | rawtaz | i was thinking that since it should be in 5.3.3 i shouldnt have to get fpm via dotdeb and such.. |
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| 21:25.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell rawtaz -about apt-file |
| 21:26.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | search for bin/fpm, I guess |
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| 21:26.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, no, that must be something different, sorry |
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| 21:31.34 | jelly-hme | rawtaz: fpm SAPI isn't built yet, see php5 package changelog. |
| 21:31.59 | rawtaz | *looks* |
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| 21:32.38 | jelly-hme | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/p/php5/current/changelog |
| 21:33.17 | rawtaz | yeah |
| 21:33.18 | rawtaz | i see |
| 21:33.46 | rawtaz | ok so, what i should do is use the dotdeb thing to install php5-fpm, and take it from there, as per earlier tutorials that references it? |
| 21:34.35 | jelly-hme | uh, I can't comment on dotdeb packages. |
| 21:34.45 | rawtaz | well its just something i read :D |
| 21:34.58 | jelly-hme | it's something I haven't used |
| 21:35.15 | rawtaz | do you have a recommendation on where from/how to get fpm running? |
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| 21:50.39 | rawtaz | damnit |
| 21:50.48 | rawtaz | how hard can it be to get php with fpm installed anyway |
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| 22:02.03 | rawtaz | ok this isnt working very well. can someone point me in the right direction regarding how to get php 5.3.3 running in squeeze, using fastcgi against nginx? im not sure if i should get php-fpm from some external source, or if i should skip fpm until it comes back in the repo, or what.. |
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| 22:02.35 | rawtaz | i tried using dotdeb but aptitude cant find any php*-fpm for squeeze apparently |
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| 22:03.12 | rawtaz | (as per http://www.dotdeb.org/instructions/ and parts of http://www.howtoforge.com/installing-php-5.3-nginx-and-php-fpm-on-ubuntu-debian) |
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| 22:05.15 | ansgar | rawtaz: If you have problems with/questions about dotdeb.org, you should ask them. Asking here will not help much. |
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| 22:06.26 | rawtaz | ansgar: well i dont give a damn about them to be honest, as its not working. i am more interested in getting php 5.3.x working in debian via fastcgi |
| 22:06.37 | rawtaz | i doesnt matter if its under FPM or just pre-spawned :) |
| 22:07.01 | rawtaz | apparently FPM is out of the question right now until squeeze is released at least |
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| 22:29.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, if I see lots of stuff like "ââ¬ËItââ¬â¢s good.ââ¬â¢" that means I'm looking at utf-8 text in my not-set-to-utf-8 browser? |
| 22:29.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | bit strange, as I saved it from the same browser |
| 22:30.21 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: or it's UTF8, but advertising itself as 8859-1 or similar |
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| 22:30.50 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: or alternatively, it was utf8, someone then read it as 8859-1, and saved it as utf8. |
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| 22:31.07 | dondelelcaro | there are lots of ways to jeck up text encoding |
| 22:31.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, it's my fault.. tried to remove some of the javascript crap, must have removed the definition |
| 22:31.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | :( |
| 22:31.54 | jelly-home | you're cutting your own... html |
| 22:31.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | sorry, was just testing if the original was intact just now |
| 22:32.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | true dat |
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| 22:36.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that answers what I was wondering about... I wondered shortly, if the $LANG setting has an influence on how the pages are read... and of course not, the page advertises what it is |
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| 22:38.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | gnight |
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| 22:39.47 | SparFux | Hi all. Is there software to manage multiple storage devices, and be able to search them for filenames without actually connecting them to the machine? |
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| 22:41.43 | un214 | human brain |
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| 22:42.03 | SparFux | un214: it has not enough capacity :-P |
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| 22:42.28 | jordanm | SparFux: perhaps your looking for a SANS? |
| 22:44.26 | abrotman | SAN ? |
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| 22:45.44 | jelly-home | bets SparFux is sans SAN |
| 22:46.11 | SparFux | storage area network? no. I am looking for an easy way to keep track which of my 100 CDs and 40 harddrives contain which files. I once used locatedb s for each of the disks mounted to a specific directory, but it was quite inconvenient and lots of manual work. |
| 22:46.42 | abrotman | SparFux: which version of Debian ? |
| 22:46.47 | SparFux | debian sid. |
| 22:47.10 | abrotman | apt-cache search cd data catalog |
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| 22:47.46 | babilen | SparFux: Something like griffith or tellico? |
| 22:48.10 | SparFux | abrotman: thx! |
| 22:48.27 | babilen | and yes, apt-cache does wonders ;) |
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| 22:48.52 | SparFux | babilen: too, thx! :-) |
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| 23:15.47 | orion_X11 | I have dual boot here (Win/Debian) and I'd like to delete Win partition and create a ext4 partition for having more Debian space which is complaining about remaining free space. The problem is that gparted says that /boot partition is in ntfs/Windows ( /dev/sda1 ). So, I am afraid of deleting Windows to make a /dev/sda1 ext4 partition and losing my /boot partition making me to be blocked outside Debian. Do you guys thing that if I delete Win, make a ext |
| 23:15.47 | orion_X11 | 4 partition and run grub-update will recover my access into Debian again? |
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| 23:21.34 | Bushmills | depends |
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| 23:24.50 | daedhel | anyone here uses midori ? |
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| 23:26.55 | abrotman | !flw |
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| 23:29.11 | orion_X11 | Bushmills, depends of what? |
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| 23:29.57 | Bushmills | for example, whether you use disk and volume ids or you number them |
| 23:30.26 | Bushmills | enumerate them |
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| 23:43.55 | jhutchins_lt | orion_X11: First off, you have a full backup, right? Because any time you mess with partitions you run the risk of loosing them. |
| 23:44.25 | jhutchins_lt | orion_X11: Next, why not just create a /newboot folder, rsync /boot to it, unmount /boot and delete it? |
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| 23:45.01 | jhutchins_lt | orion_X11: If you really want to, create a new linux partition, rsync /newboot back to it, or just rename /newboot /boot. |
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| 23:46.06 | jhutchins_lt | orion_X11: In any case, if the system is booting from an ntfs partition now, there won't be any reason for it to stop just because a windows partition goes away. |
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| 23:48.18 | digitalj | hey, how come when i remove something with apt-get, say postfix...when i try to re-install i dont get the ncurses config wizard? |
| 23:48.30 | digitalj | apt-get remove postfix ; apt-get clean ; apt-get autoremove ; apt-get autoclean -- none of that seems to work |
| 23:48.46 | abrotman | digitalj: dpkg-reconfigure postfix |
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| 23:54.49 | orion_X11 | jhutchins_lt, in fact my /boot partition is in my / (root) here, but gparted says that > Partition = /dev/sda1; File System=ntfs; Flags=boot > So, my question is only about this Flags=boot and when I installed the system I remember that I used MBR for grub ( or /boot). |
| 23:55.43 | jhutchins_lt | orion_X11: Not a problem. |
| 23:55.51 | orion_X11 | So I did not make a separate /boot partition, but the System made that and it is located in /boot |
| 23:55.59 | jhutchins_lt | orion_X11: / need not be partition one. |
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| 23:56.22 | jhutchins_lt | orion_X11: Ok, you need to be clear on whether boot is a partition or a folder. |
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| 23:56.32 | jhutchins_lt | orion_X11: In any case: the boot flag is for DOS. |
| 23:57.14 | jhutchins_lt | orion_X11: Grub on the MBR stays on the MBR because that's where it is now and you're not changing it - the mbr is not a partition. It continues to point to your /boot folder whether it's a folder or a mounted partition. |
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| 23:58.21 | Bushmills | digitalj: aptitude purge postfix |
| 23:58.42 | digitalj | Bushmills, thanks :) |
| 23:58.51 | wissem | what is the alternative to network-admin in squeeze ?like the old network admin in lenny? |
| 23:59.14 | abrotman | wissem: in gnome? |
| 23:59.45 | orion_X11 | jhutchins_lt, So in this case it is a folder in the / root partition, because gparted does not show me a separated /boot partition here. If it is a folder does it mean that grub-update will make me get in again into Debian? |
