| 00:00.14 | wissem | abrotman, yes in gnome |
| 00:00.33 | abrotman | i think most peopl,e just use network-admin .. why? |
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| 00:01.45 | wissem | i cant change/add the wireless password |
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| 00:03.03 | abrotman | what kind? mine let's me configure my wifi passwd |
| 00:03.28 | abrotman | whoops |
| 00:03.40 | wissem | are you sure ? |
| 00:04.00 | abrotman | yes .. i'm using my wifi :) |
| 00:05.31 | wissem | abrotman, i m pretty sure that i cant find where to modify my wireless password for exemple |
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| 00:06.01 | abrotman | disconnect, reconnect? |
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| 00:06.20 | wissem | nope too |
| 00:06.37 | abrotman | wissem: right click on the panel icon .. choose 'Edit Connections" ? |
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| 00:07.47 | wissem | abrotman, it not there :( |
| 00:08.00 | abrotman | which part is "it" |
| 00:08.13 | abrotman | do you have the network-manager tray icon ? |
| 00:08.17 | wissem | the edit connections on the panel |
| 00:08.34 | wissem | no i have a network monitor icon which i aded |
| 00:08.52 | abrotman | is network-manager managing the connection at all? |
| 00:09.30 | wissem | yes i guess ? |
| 00:09.50 | abrotman | if you right click on it, and go to About .. what does it say ? |
| 00:10.18 | wissem | it says Network Monitor 2.28.1 |
| 00:10.24 | abrotman | that's not network-manager |
| 00:11.01 | wissem | i ve it installed when i try apt-get network-manager |
| 00:11.03 | wissem | it says network-manager is already the newest version. |
| 00:11.05 | abrotman | do you have a "Notification Area' in your taskbar ? |
| 00:11.14 | abrotman | (another applet) |
| 00:11.44 | wissem | no |
| 00:12.18 | abrotman | try adding one |
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| 00:13.43 | wissem | abrotman, i did |
| 00:15.01 | abrotman | did you install network-manager-gnome ? |
| 00:16.49 | wissem | abrotman, i guess i was having network-manager instead of network-manager-gnome |
| 00:16.57 | wissem | thanks for the help :) |
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| 00:17.23 | abrotman | everytihng going ? |
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| 00:19.04 | wissem | i need to restart i guess ? |
| 00:19.14 | abrotman | or try to start it .. not sure .. |
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| 00:54.38 | jhutchins_lt | orion_X11: You shouldn't even need to update, but doing so will remove the windows entry. |
| 00:55.02 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 00:55.02 | dpkg | <helios> sorry for my english: I was rushing on my prompt (silly me!) and just stopped in time an "rm -rf /etc"...but I deleted all /etc/init* files and dirs <asg> helios: restore from backups. <helios> asg, backups? |
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| 00:55.50 | orion_X11 | jhutchins_lt, many thx for the tips :) |
| 00:56.10 | jhutchins_lt | orion_X11: Hope all goes well, we're here if it doesn't. |
| 00:56.50 | orion_X11 | jhutchins_lt, Thx, God Bless you :) |
| 00:57.53 | abrotman | !bless orion_X11 |
| 00:57.53 | dpkg | O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child orion_X11, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
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| 01:06.41 | sparc | Is there a debian channel for the installer, or for automating installs with PXE? |
| 01:08.53 | sparc | !bots |
| 01:08.53 | dpkg | We have lots of bots around to help out with different things. dpkg (<dpkgbot>) and <judd> are the main two for factoids and package information. There's also debhelper (flooding, moderating), apt, ravenbird, badgers, piggy, ... Most bots are also in #debian-bots if you can't use /msg to talk to them. Be nice to the bots though; they have feelings, bleed oil and let out the <magic smoke> when angry. |
| 01:09.01 | abrotman | uh ... |
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| 01:09.08 | sparc | excellent :) |
| 01:09.12 | abrotman | sparc: the PXE method is outlined in the installer |
| 01:09.18 | abrotman | erm .. in the manual |
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| 01:09.36 | abrotman | sparc: as for automating ... you use preseeding or FAI |
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| 01:09.44 | sparc | i know, the manual doesn't cover everything however, and the process is error prone |
| 01:10.24 | abrotman | did you file bugs? |
| 01:10.29 | sparc | after reading the manual, and implementing a solution, it's often helpful to talk to people who have tried the same process |
| 01:10.48 | abrotman | that would probably be here .. the 'installer' channel is really for the development of the installer |
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| 01:15.49 | sparc | Has anyone run into difficulty, getting the installer to use one's own package repository? |
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| 01:16.09 | Benkinooby | i heard that it is common to use debian testiong for dektop computers. is testing as up-to-date as ubuntu? |
| 01:16.26 | sparc | I've specified a few preseed parameters to the kernel on boot, but it still seems to pull from the internet mirror |
| 01:16.32 | phogg | Benkinooby: yes in some ways, no in others. They're not really comparable. |
| 01:16.43 | sparc | i suppose i should scan the docs further |
| 01:17.11 | centaurus | away bath time... sunday at last ;) |
| 01:17.17 | abrotman | Benkinooby: testing is currently frozen, near release .. depends on your defintion of up-to-date |
| 01:17.46 | abrotman | sparc: does the manual give you an idea? |
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| 01:24.00 | Benkinooby | phogg, abrotman i will wait for the release and then test |
| 01:24.07 | Benkinooby | thank you both |
| 01:24.17 | abrotman | what he really wants is |
| 01:24.19 | abrotman | !debian cut |
| 01:24.19 | dpkg | CUT is "constantly usable testing", a proposal to make a rolling branch of Debian. See the proposal: http://lwn.net/Articles/406301/ and the discussion: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/09/msg00502.html |
| 01:24.29 | abrotman | but it's not even available for testing yet |
| 01:24.34 | phogg | indeed |
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| 01:25.57 | tharkun | !logs |
| 01:25.57 | dpkg | Logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/ |
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| 01:31.04 | Benkinooby | abrotman, phogg rolling release like gentoo has. no versions any more :) sonds good |
| 01:31.35 | mick_laptop | a lot of people are going that route really (think html) |
| 01:31.46 | mick_laptop | i'm not thrilled w/ that though |
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| 01:32.09 | abrotman | Benkinooby: depends on your definition of good .. we'll see how it pans out |
| 01:32.28 | mick_laptop | i see it being a nightmare |
| 01:32.47 | abrotman | then don't use it .. not a problem for oyu :) |
| 01:32.57 | phogg | Benkinooby: it's a great idea. Will you help maintain it? |
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| 01:36.01 | Benkinooby | phogg, as soon as my contribution would do more good than harm :D i am about to learn c++ ... until then i file bug reports whenever i think it is appropriate |
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| 01:49.37 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 01:49.37 | dpkg | <Guest544> If it works microsoft might have some serious competetion since linux gui is so interactive |
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| 01:58.11 | pinoyoragon | Hello, what debian port should i download for my Intel i5 650 machine? I downloaded IA-64 and it doesn't work |
| 01:59.12 | abrotman | heck no that wouldn't |
| 01:59.15 | abrotman | i386 or amd64 |
| 01:59.38 | abrotman | ia64 is Itanium .. your system is nothing like itanium |
| 01:59.45 | pipeline | !itanium |
| 01:59.45 | dpkg | Intel Itanium Architecture (IA-64) is Intel's *other* 64-bit architecture. Itanium processors are primarily found in HP-UX systems and are supported by Debian's <ia64> port. It is not the same as the amd64/x86-64 chips used in PCs, ask me about <amd64>. |
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| 02:05.30 | orion_X11 | abrotman, you said to Guest544 If it works. What is It? :) |
| 02:05.47 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
| 02:05.53 | abrotman | orion_X11: to who what? |
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| 02:06.17 | abrotman | needs context |
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| 02:06.43 | pinoyoragon | thanks abrotman pipeline |
| 02:06.49 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
| 02:06.51 | babilen | abrotman: probably qotd0 above |
| 02:07.02 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:07.05 | abrotman | orion_X11: that was him talking to me |
| 02:07.16 | abrotman | orion_X11: and who knows how long ago it was .. that is from the bot |
| 02:07.18 | babilen | not sure what the question is though, but there is some context to Guest544 :-\ |
| 02:07.19 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 02:07.19 | dpkg | <Mandork_> how does pron work anyways ? |
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| 02:07.30 | babilen | hehe |
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| 02:07.36 | abrotman | !flw |
| 02:07.36 | dpkg | <greycat> hsn: what the hell did you do? plug in an IDE drive while the system was powered on?!? <hsn> greycat , yes . cant do this ? |
| 02:07.44 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 02:51.28 | r15 | hi, can i ask about oracle linux here? |
| 02:51.47 | abrotman | the OS? |
| 02:52.05 | r15 | yes, i have one issue after attaching LUN to the server. |
| 02:52.12 | r15 | sd 8:0:0:0: SCSI error: return code = 0x00000018 |
| 02:52.24 | abrotman | That would be pretty offtopic here |
| 02:52.27 | abrotman | maybe try ##linux |
| 02:52.32 | r15 | ok |
| 02:52.37 | r15 | thanks abrotman |
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| 02:53.14 | abrotman | r15: there is also #oracle .. good luck though |
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| 03:05.01 | ragnar76 | hi all. a short question. I'm using Squeeze with Gnome and when i want to open a pdf file gimp comes up. how can i change this to a pdf reader? |
| 03:05.43 | Rafa652 | right click the PDF, go to properties |
| 03:05.54 | Rafa652 | go to the Open With tab and select your PDF viewer |
| 03:06.03 | abrotman | should be evince in gnome |
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| 03:07.28 | ragnar76 | works! that was easy. i was looking for that in the settings. thx. |
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| 03:08.17 | ragnar76 | ok, bye then :o) |
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| 03:27.05 | pinoyoragon | Hello again, my 5.0.4 can't detect my sata hard drive. What should I put as option on boot menu? |
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| 03:29.02 | un214 | try squeeze |
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| 03:48.30 | spersaud | the tapping doesnt work on my laptop |
| 03:48.35 | spersaud | how do I fix that ? |
| 03:49.00 | amphi | xinput perhaps |
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| 03:52.16 | spersaud | amphi: I see |
| 03:53.04 | abrotman | !synaptics |
| 03:53.05 | dpkg | Synaptics is a X.org driver for laptop touchpads. For use in X, install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and "man synaptics" for driver options; Configuration tools include synclient, gsynaptics and gpointing-device-settings (Squeeze). Not working? -> "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". Driver does not support X.org auto-configuration in Lenny. http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad . See also <clickpad>, <trackpoint>. |
| 03:55.19 | spersaud | how can I change the way the text terminal looks ? you need 2020 vision for this |
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| 03:56.19 | Delf | How am I suppose to get Debian when I'm unable to download the torrents and isos? |
| 03:56.53 | Delf | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.7/amd64/iso-cd/debian-507-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 03:57.12 | Delf | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.7/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 03:57.24 | abrotman | http://ftp.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/5.0.8/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 03:57.33 | Delf | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.7/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 03:58.08 | Delf | Thanks a lot abrotman! :) |
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| 04:03.32 | Delf | I burned the netinst CD version on a DVD. No problems yet. |
| 04:03.48 | Some_Person | I need advice. I run (or at least ran) a semi-official repository of development snapshot packages of a game for ubuntu, hosted on Launchpad. Now that I have switched to Debian, I'd like Debian users to be able to use such package, but have no way to host a proper debian repository. However, the ubuntu packages I released previously seem to work fine in squeeze. Would it be wrong if I suggested that debian users use my ubuntu repository |
| 04:03.49 | Some_Person | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.29 | abrotman | Some_Person: why not get the package in Debian officially? |
| 04:04.46 | Some_Person | Because they're unstable development snapshots released often |
| 04:04.51 | abrotman | and? |
| 04:04.57 | spersaud | how do I switch to console-cyrillic ? |
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| 04:05.04 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 04:05.04 | dpkg | it has been said that mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
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| 04:06.48 | Some_Person | You know how Debian has unstable, testing, and stable? This game is divided into similar versions. The stable version is already in debian. The version that correlates with testing is currently in experimental (would be nice to get this in stable though), and the version that correlates with unstable is what I build packages for. |
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| 04:07.37 | Some_Person | Basically, when anyone updates the source code at all, even a minor adjustment, and I happen to be around/not busy, I build a new package |
| 04:08.09 | simonrvn | you won't get it in stable, count on it |
| 04:08.25 | Some_Person | The packages I build don't belong in debian at all |
| 04:08.27 | simonrvn | esp. 2 weeks away from release... |
| 04:09.42 | Some_Person | The unstable 0.3.3 release would be nice to get in stable (and ubuntu officially carries it), but I don't expect it to make it into squeeze |
| 04:10.20 | Delf | During installation, it's asking me Partitioning method. What does LVM mean? |
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| 04:11.07 | simonrvn | if you don't know what it is, research it or ignore it |
| 04:11.44 | Delf | I want encrypted but not sure what LVM means. I'll google it. |
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| 04:11.51 | Some_Person | But anyway, back to my original question, would it wrong to suggest that debian users use an ubuntu repo? |
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| 04:14.16 | simonrvn | it doesn't mean tha |
| 04:14.26 | simonrvn | t |
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| 04:25.59 | Mikaze | Now this is why I love Debian. No one needs to have their questions answered...unlike Ubuntu... |
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| 04:33.57 | simonrvn | !test |
| 04:33.57 | dpkg | Test failed. |
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| 04:34.18 | simonrvn | Gottaname3: fix your network... |
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| 04:35.35 | simonrvn | fixes that with an /ig |
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| 04:49.49 | un214 | dpkg hold xorg |
| 04:49.49 | dpkg | picks xorg up and holds on tight |
| 04:50.00 | un214 | dpkg purge sudo |
| 04:50.00 | dpkg | un214: i haven't a clue |
| 04:50.09 | un214 | dpkg deinstall sudo |
| 04:50.10 | dpkg | un214: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 05:43.53 | Delf | Is there a way Debian can execute a command or start a program in Win7 using the Terminal? |
| 05:44.10 | Delf | On a remote machine. |
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| 05:47.59 | jmarsden | Delf: rdesktop with the -s option? Is that what you mean? |
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| 05:57.25 | Delf | shell? I don't really understand. I'll try it now. |
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| 06:28.22 | pinoyoragon | Hi, after loading the (5.0.7) amd64 CD1.iso to USB using unetbootin, and boot my PC, i'm stuck at detect and mound CDROM, why is that? |
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| 06:41.11 | pinoyoragon | Hi, i loaded the 5.0.7 amd64 cd1.iso to my USB and used it as a bootable installer... why is that it keeps on asking for a cdrom? Can i get around with this one and continue installing? |
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| 06:44.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | pinoyoragon: live cd? |
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| 06:51.33 | pinoyoragon | Kamping_Kaiser: nope, CD1.iso |
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| 06:52.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | pinoyoragon: haven't seen that issue then |
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| 07:27.22 | geekosopher | http://live.debian.net/manual/en/html/installation.html#installing-live-build says about installing 'live-build' package from the repos. But there is no 'live-build' package in repos. The closest was 'live-helper' |
| 07:27.49 | geekosopher | is live-helper the right package? |
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| 07:35.02 | jmarsden | geekosopher: live-build is the right package, and does exist. See http://packages.debian.org/live-build |
| 07:36.12 | geekosopher | oops it is in testing, and I was searching it in stable :) |
| 07:39.08 | geekosopher | interesting, both the packages have same dependencies. Is it that 'live-build' in squeeze is what is called as 'live-helper' in lenny? |
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| 07:50.32 | Sashi | ello, with PureFTPd, in standalone mode, how can i change the script that it runs to somethign a little different? |
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| 08:03.08 | pinoyoragon | Hi, why would a debian 507 amd64 netinst iso and a debian 508 amd64 businesscard iso ask for CDROM? I'm stuck in this installation step |
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| 08:09.16 | SPF | pinoyoragon: because both of them are made to be put on cdrom |
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| 08:10.39 | pinoyoragon | SPF: Is there a workaround to this? can i make it look for modules from my USB? |
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| 08:12.10 | SPF | pinoyoragon: I use the mini.iso myself, that works for me |
| 08:12.21 | SPF | on usb |
| 08:12.55 | SPF | !mini.iso |
| 08:12.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mini.iso is a super small ISO that utilizes the <netboot> images to fetch <d-i> and all components over the network. Only contains a boot loader, kernel and initrd, typically ~8MB. Start at http://debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall and work your way until you find the mini.iso for your architecture. |
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| 08:14.01 | pinoyoragon | SPF: hmmmm will it ask for CDROM drivers during installion procedure? i tried several small ISOs and all of them requires CDROM |
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| 08:15.43 | SPF | pinoyoragon: I used the mini.iso, because my box doesnt have a cdrom drive |
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| 08:16.12 | SPF | I had the same problem as you, putting netiso or businesscard on usb stick, and it still complains that it cannot find a cdrom drive |
| 08:16.21 | SPF | mini.iso won't search for a cdrom drive |
| 08:16.35 | pinoyoragon | SPF: thanks :) |
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| 08:20.55 | pinoyoragon | SPF: where can i download mini.iso? can't find it in debian sites |
| 08:22.11 | SPF | pinoyoragon: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ |
| 08:22.25 | SPF | for example |
| 08:22.41 | pinoyoragon | SPF: thanks |
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| 08:38.14 | Sashi | ello, with PureFTPd, in standalone mode, how can i change the script that it runs to somethign a little different? |
| 08:39.28 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Is there any tool which finds duplicate files recursively in a directory and deletes all but one? |
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| 08:48.28 | bolt-work | hid3: that sounds ridiculously unsafe. how would it know which one to delete? |
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| 08:49.13 | bolt-work | hid3: that said, however, a small script utilizing find, md5sum and sort should allow you to find duplicates easily |
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| 08:50.03 | bolt-work | hid3: that would also allow you to make your own deletion rules, such as always keeping the file furthest up in the directory tree |
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| 08:51.18 | bolt-work | hid3: also, md5sum would only identify *identical* files. if you're looking to sort, say, your "image collection", there are specialized tools which can find duplicate images, even if they're rotated, have text added to them or are in different resolutions |
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| 09:02.54 | SPF | bolt-work: interesting, might imagemagick suck a tool? |
| 09:02.58 | SPF | *such |
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| 09:08.15 | Puck` | hi everyone |
| 09:08.24 | Puck` | how could i change my users locale language debian? |
| 09:09.35 | bolt-work | SPF: i think geeqie does it, at least |
| 09:09.43 | peterrooney | hid3: aptitude install fdupes, and read the man page concerning deletion. |
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| 09:10.13 | bolt-work | Puck`: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 09:10.19 | bolt-work | or is it "locale". i never remember |
| 09:10.43 | peterrooney | hid3: fdupes will gladly do the wrong thing, if you don't tell it not to. |
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| 09:11.14 | Puck` | bolt-work: but that would change the whole systems locale |
| 09:11.41 | bolt-work | Puck`: I assumed "my users" was all users |
| 09:11.48 | Puck` | i just need to change the language on my own login |
| 09:11.52 | Puck` | bolt-work: sorry, my user's |
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| 09:12.39 | bolt-work | Puck`: just set LC_ALL=<yourlocalehere> |
| 09:13.08 | Puck` | bolt-work: in which conf file, if I may ask |
| 09:14.06 | bolt-work | Puck`: any. it's just an environment variable. .xsession is a nice place. |
| 09:14.24 | Puck` | bolt-work: I got no X, it's just a shell (: |
| 09:14.31 | bolt-work | Puck`: .bashrc ? |
| 09:14.37 | Puck` | bolt-work: thank you (: |
| 09:14.53 | bolt-work | Puck`: "export LC_ALL=nb_NO" |
| 09:14.58 | bolt-work | Puck`: (replace with your locale) |
| 09:15.56 | bolt-work | Puck`: btw, .bash_login might be better, so you can override the locale and not have it reset every time you start a new shell |
| 09:16.53 | Puck` | bolt-work: i'd use export LC_ALL=en.GB there too? |
| 09:17.58 | bolt-work | Puck`: yep. the difference is just that .bash_login is only run on login shells |
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| 09:18.12 | Puck` | thank you very much bolt-work (: |
| 09:18.14 | bolt-work | Puck`: it's likely en_GB btw |
| 09:18.44 | bolt-work | Puck`: or even en_GB.UTF-8 |
| 09:18.48 | bolt-work | Puck`: depends which one you want |
| 09:18.49 | Puck` | bolt-work: en.GB worked too :P, but I'll set it with _ |
| 09:18.56 | Puck` | UTF-8 for sure |
| 09:20.20 | Puck` | thank you again, have a nice day (: |
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| 09:21.48 | djszapi | Which package installs the /etc/apt/trusted.gpg ? dpkg -S /etc/apt/trusted.gpg -> dpkg: /etc/apt/trusted.gpg not found. |
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| 09:25.30 | vizzy | hi, does anyone use a bt mouse in lenny? i regularly have disconnects after a few minutes. I already modified /etc/default/bluetooth (--connect ...... --master --server) but it doesnt help lot. |
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| 09:26.05 | AlexC_ | g'morning |
| 09:26.16 | AlexC_ | when running no DE/X, how can I set the resolution of the console? |
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| 09:35.36 | ethanol | AlexC_, adding the right switch to your bootup line |
| 09:35.52 | AlexC_ | ok, thanks :) |
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| 09:40.01 | vizzy | AlexC_, vga=ask |
| 09:40.12 | vizzy | AlexC_, then you get a list of available videomodes |
| 09:40.44 | vizzy | e.g. 372, which means you should add vga=0x372 to your lilo.conf or grub legacy config etc |
| 09:40.57 | vizzy | don't forget the 0x |
| 09:41.22 | vizzy | the 'right switch' means vga=0xsomevideomodeinhex |
| 09:41.51 | vizzy | (oh how i hate such generic answers like 'add the right switch' :))) |
| 09:41.59 | bolt-work | djszapi: try apt-file search |
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| 09:43.51 | bolt-work | DNS is like the most annoying thing ever. "Temporary failure in name resolution" my ass. It's pretty permanent until I fix it, like every other problem. If I install a broken kernel, I don't get "temporary boot problems". If I unplug my USB stick, I don't get "device temporarily not found" when trying to mount it. Why does DNS have this idea that it will fix itself, while having absolutely no code which does so? |
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| 09:44.42 | vizzy | bolt-work, because some devs think that automagic is all a user needs and users get castrated |
| 09:45.15 | vizzy | like kde4, like many other new century apps.... no more options, everything gets automagic... and fails |
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| 09:46.12 | xyan | hi if anyone may have experience with policykit who could tell me how to remove that annoying legitimation message when trying to reboot (using gnome + gdm3) that would be nice! |
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| 09:53.09 | djszapi | bolt-work: which package contains apt-file ? :) |
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| 09:58.02 | bolt-work | djszapi: apt-file does |
| 09:59.13 | djszapi | there is no such a package by me. |
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| 10:01.11 | themill | djszapi: perhaps you could pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" along with your sources.list |
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| 10:02.42 | bolt-work | apt-file should be in the main repository, methinks |
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| 10:33.24 | AlexC_ | when I install slapd, as per http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/OpenLDAPSetup the instructions are incorrect from the start. Firstly it never prompts you for the DN, Organization name, only password. Secondly /etc/ldap/slapd.conf does not exist |
| 10:33.30 | AlexC_ | this is with Squeeze, any ideas? |
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| 10:34.55 | themill | AlexC_: whether or not you are asked for these things depends on your debconf configuration. "dpkg-reconfigure slapd" to get all questions. slapd.conf is dead, long live cn=config. |
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| 10:37.31 | AlexC_ | themill: I've been trying dpkg-reconfigure slapd, however it always comes up with "The configuration you entered is invalid". Ah, so all config is now in cn=config? |
| 10:37.37 | themill | AlexC_: yes, and cn=config is somewhat less documented than slapd.conf, unfortunately. |
| 10:37.45 | AlexC_ | awesome =\ |
| 10:38.07 | AlexC_ | this is why I've never liked LDAP, such crappy documentation but unfortunately I have to use it and yet again failing at the first hurdle =( |
| 10:38.28 | themill | AlexC_: or more precisely, it is documented, but you've just got to work out how to translate everything you read that talks about slapd.conf into ldif syntax for cn=config |
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| 10:39.29 | AlexC_ | an 'ldapsearch -x' should at least show the admin user, right? |
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| 10:48.11 | gnarface | hey guys |
| 10:48.30 | gnarface | what does this mean? configure: WARNING: GetText 32-bit development files not found (or too old). Internationalization won't be fully supported. |
| 10:48.55 | gnarface | actually the real question is, can i fix it? |
| 10:49.43 | gnarface | i'm getting similar errors for OpenCL, gstreamer-0.10, libgsm and libmpg123 |
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| 10:50.08 | gnarface | (when running ./compile in the latest wine source) |
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| 10:50.19 | gnarface | er, ./configure |
| 10:50.21 | gnarface | i mean |
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| 10:51.06 | nullie | Hello |
| 10:51.25 | nullie | is it possible to make package, multiple versions of which could be installed at same time? |
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| 10:52.11 | jelly | nullie: no, they have to be different binary packages. |
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| 10:55.02 | gnarface | is there a wine channel? |
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| 10:55.31 | themill | #winehq |
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| 10:59.13 | gnarface | thanks themill |
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| 11:02.53 | gnarface | how come ia32-libs is missing so much crap? |
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| 11:04.21 | AlexC_ | could someone link me to some decent, up-to-date LDAP guide so configure with PAM/NSS? |
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| 11:05.30 | AlexC_ | by decent I mean one that works, and one that doesn't assume you have 2 years experiance of LDAP |
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| 11:15.09 | jelly | gnarface: use a 32bit chroot if you need a more complete i386 environment |
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| 11:46.17 | rawtaz | a squeeze container i made using debootstrap (no special args except architecture) doesnt have /usr/bin/less. is that expected or possibly in error? |
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| 11:48.28 | hid3 | nice |
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| 11:48.39 | hid3 | Squeeze release is planned for 6th/6th of February |
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| 11:48.56 | hid3 | *5th/6th I mean |
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| 11:49.07 | hid3 | my GR's b-day is on the 5th. |
| 11:49.14 | hid3 | *GF's, I mean |
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| 11:55.04 | geekosopher | for upgrading to squeeze, I first did the minimal (safe) upgrade first, installed the new kernel and udev. That is when it warned me about *possible* missing firmware related to my nic and asked me to reboot with new kernel |
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| 11:55.48 | hid3 | this is one of the reasons why I *always* build my custom kernel |
| 11:55.54 | geekosopher | after I do this, the network manager icon shows 'No Network Connection', but I am still browsing and chatting as before |
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| 11:56.58 | geekosopher | and the rest of the packages are being upgraded (apt-get dist-upgrade) |
| 11:57.15 | geekosopher | s/upgraded/downloaded |
| 11:57.21 | themill | geekosopher: running the dist-upgrade from inside X is a very bad idea |
| 11:57.52 | geekosopher | O.O |
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| 11:58.24 | geekosopher | should I abort and try doing it from vt1? |
| 11:58.44 | g105b | Is it possible to use cherokee to serve my PHP application if the PHP reads/writes files? I heard that it doesn't support that? |
| 11:58.52 | themill | geekosopher: are you logged in through gdm or similar? or are you at least running the upgrade inside screen? |
| 11:58.55 | geekosopher | btw, nothing about it mentioned anywhere in the release notes or somewhere |
| 11:59.05 | themill | geekosopher: this *is* mentioned in the release notes. |
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| 11:59.38 | geekosopher | you mean in chapter4? |
| 11:59.42 | geekosopher | themill: ^ |
| 11:59.50 | themill | §4.1.5 |
| 12:00.26 | geekosopher | oh yes |
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| 12:01.26 | geekosopher | so what now, I am running it in screen... should I detach it and log out of gui? |
| 12:01.41 | ethanol | ugh, my server has a load of 10ish, yet cpu usage is below a third. what else could it be? iowait? |
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| 12:02.10 | petemc | ethanol: most likely, ps aux| grep D |
| 12:02.24 | ethanol | D? |
| 12:02.26 | petemc | yes |
| 12:02.31 | ethanol | shows nothing |
| 12:02.34 | themill | geekosopher: you can just continue to go along as you are and if your X session dies (gdm will probably be restarted) then you can reattach on vt1 |
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| 12:03.21 | Azrael_- | ethanol: fire up top and see how much of the requested cpu-time is delayed because of iowait |
| 12:03.49 | ethanol | 0% actually |
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| 12:03.58 | geekosopher | God bless the creator of screen |
| 12:04.16 | ethanol | actually, between 0 and 1 |
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| 12:04.33 | delby | hi. i am using squeeze/gnome. how do i remove the 'suspend' option from the dialogue box that opens when i press shutdown, or disable suspend altogether? |
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| 12:05.23 | ethanol | it's a webserver. has to serve a lot of requests. thinking it's apache that's causing the load, but not sure. it's not using much cpu. don't see why it would be so io intensive. |
| 12:05.39 | ethanol | ouch, 35% swap there for a moment |
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| 12:05.48 | ethanol | err, wait* |
| 12:05.51 | Azrael_- | ethanol: if you want to see what is using how much io, try iotop |
| 12:05.53 | ethanol | 95% o_o |
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| 12:06.03 | ethanol | installing |
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| 12:07.05 | ethanol | it's freezing on the install due to io... -_- |
| 12:07.10 | Azrael_- | is getting nervous when the load goes beyond 80 on a server with only 4 (including virual) cpus |
| 12:07.22 | Azrael_- | just wait a little bit, takes sometimes a little time |
| 12:08.27 | ethanol | hrm, iotop isn't very helpful in it's default setup :< |
| 12:08.33 | Azrael_- | if the load doesn't go up uncontrolled all the time without going back to normal you'r probably fine |
| 12:08.33 | ethanol | just a lot of processes alternating |
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| 12:08.57 | Azrael_- | but at the top you should see the process which is using the most disk-io |
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| 12:09.06 | ethanol | keeps switching |
| 12:09.09 | krion | anyone experiencing deadlock with asterisk 1.6.2-9 from squeeze or lenny backports ? |
| 12:09.22 | petemc | ethanol: anything in dmesg or syslog/messages? could be a dying disk |
| 12:09.27 | babilen | delby: IIRC you have to remove your user from the "powerdev" group |
| 12:09.36 | Azrael_- | any heavy io going on or just near idle? |
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| 12:10.05 | ethanol | most of the io comes from kjournald, apache2 -k start and rotatelogs |
| 12:10.07 | babilen | delby: Ah, no. That will not specifically disable suspend, but all power related actions (hibernate,shutdown) |
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| 12:12.05 | ethanol | hr |
| 12:12.46 | delby | babilen: solution i found on google is to set the gconf key /apps/gnome-power-manager/general/can_suspend to false, but that key does not exist on my system. |
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| 12:14.33 | geekosopher | any idea why the network manager icon in the top panel shows 'no netwok connection' when my connection is actually live and kicking? |
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| 12:15.04 | babilen | delby: You can search for keys in "gconf-editor" I would search for "suspend" and have a look at the results. If you can't find a solution I would try asking in #gnome on irc.gnome.org as they might know how to disable this in your version of Gnome |
| 12:15.38 | babilen | geekosopher: It might not be managed by nm |
| 12:16.06 | delby | babilen: thanks |
| 12:17.13 | ethanol | petemc, http://text.pastebin.com/3nC8MBRa this bode bad? |
| 12:17.17 | babilen | delby: /apps/gnome-power-manager/buttons/suspend looks promising -- you can set it to "nothing" -- (this is gnome 2.30/32 on squeeze) -- check the description in gconf-editor |
| 12:17.25 | Benkinooby | hi, can someone tell me, WHY 'sudo dd if=/path/to/my/image.iso of=/dev/sdb' does NOT create a bootable pen dirve? the dd itself worked fine after unmounting the pen drive. booting from the pendrive gives me "operating system missing" or someting like that. i will install grub on the pen drive and then chainload the image from grub, but I was wondering why dd can't do the job. |
| 12:18.08 | fcn | hi there. i have an ide hard disk from my old laptop which i use as external disk with a ide-usb cable on my netbook. i want to try using this drive as installation medium. is there a way to do that? |
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| 12:18.28 | ethanol | anyone else care to comment on this dmesg excerpt? http://text.pastebin.com/3nC8MBRa |
| 12:18.44 | babilen | delby: this might, however, just "grey" the button or causes it to perform no action at all. Not sure if/how you can remove the button. |
| 12:19.42 | jelly | ethanol: possible hw issues (hdd cabling? power for the drive?) |
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| 12:20.08 | delby | babilen: thanks. giving it a try... |
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| 12:20.25 | phaidros | hi, why is grub with this config not showing a menu on boot, instead drops me on the grub shell? http://pastie.org/1492399 |
| 12:20.40 | stew | Benkinooby: it would have to be a specially crafted iso for that to work. (google for hybrid iso). The current debian ISOs are not this type of iso. when squeeze is released, this will be possible. |
| 12:21.02 | AlexC_ | I'm a little confused, do I need to configure NSS *and* PAM for LDAP, or do I just configure 1 of them (ideally PAM as that is what I use) |
| 12:21.08 | pinoyoragon | Hi, i'm having difficulty installing the driver of Realtek 8111DL. After compiling the driver from their site, and after installing the module, i still can't find my LAN card when i issue "ifconfig -a" |
| 12:22.29 | babilen | !tell Benkinooby -about usb install |
| 12:22.53 | babilen | Benkinooby: The installation guide contains instructions on how to prepare an USB stick today |
| 12:23.45 | babilen | Benkinooby: You might actually want to consider to install squeeze using the RC2 installer from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, given that Squeeze will be released soon (5/6 february is expected) |
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| 12:24.04 | phaidros | any grub experts? |
| 12:24.08 | Benkinooby | stew, thank you. i think, with konppix the dd will do the job. I am really surprised it has to be a hybrid iso, because dd should create an exact copy of the image, so MBR and everything should be included. babilen thank you for your links. i hope i will find answers there. (i allready have a pen drive with grub, that chainloads the images) |
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| 12:24.50 | babilen | Benkinooby: Good luck :) |
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| 12:25.18 | stew | an .iso file typically means it is an iso filesystem, not a drive image with a mbr |
| 12:26.29 | Benkinooby | babilen, thank you |
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| 12:27.14 | stew | ah, it does look like rc2 images are hybrid |
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| 12:28.28 | Benkinooby | stew so i could be that the iso itself can not be used (except it is hybrid) because it presents the data in a wrong/not readable way. so when burning an iso with a burining-software the data from the iso get's converted before written on the cd. hence the cd is bootable |
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| 12:30.18 | Benkinooby | what i said can not be true, because the grub would not be able to chainload isos |
| 12:30.58 | Benkinooby | it might be grub understands iso, while BIOS doesn't |
| 12:31.04 | stew | grub can boot isos |
| 12:31.53 | stew | google for "grub fromiso" |
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| 12:37.40 | Benkinooby | babilen, following your links if have to do following procedure: download an image, zcat it to the drive and copy over an iso. the second way from you links uses a bootloader instead of a image. so my initial idea (after dd did not work) to use grub for chainloading is pretty much in line with the guidance give at your links. in that case i will stop seraching for an easier/more convenient way of creating a bootable pendrive (i know, there |
| 12:37.40 | Benkinooby | are all kinds of software creating the pen drive for you, but I want to do it myself) |
| 12:38.17 | Benkinooby | stew thank you for your confirmation ;) |
| 12:38.37 | AlexC_ | are there any tools for Squeeze that allow me to add new users to LDAP, similar to adduser that give me the ability to auto increment the UID/GID and create group when I create the user? |
| 12:38.52 | babilen | Benkinooby: true -- it seems that you are essentially replicating "the flexible way" |
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| 12:44.06 | Benkinooby | babilen, stew gain, kudos for time, patience and help |
| 12:44.49 | babilen | Benkinooby: You are welcome! May you have a nice day and enjoy the installation. Cya :) |
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| 12:45.23 | AlexC_ | how can I use "adduser" with LDAP? I see a few places mentioning that support for it was added, way back in 1999/2000, so I'm a little confused as to where the feature is |
| 12:45.59 | abrotman | AlexC_: there is a #ldap that may know more |
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| 12:46.57 | AlexC_ | abrotman: I did asked something in there a while ago, seem half dead. I'll see if they become alive though |
| 12:47.07 | abrotman | also #openldap |
| 12:47.19 | AlexC_ | ahh, did not know about this one ;) |
| 12:47.30 | Mmike | How do I pin package to specific version? Is this enough: echo "Package: my-package\nPin: version 1.0.0\n" >> /etc/apt/preferences ? |
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| 12:51.50 | phaidros | hi, why is grub with this config not showing a menu on boot, instead drops me on the grub shell? http://pastie.org/1492399 |
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| 12:53.17 | knubbze | hi, where can I find the source for /usr/bin/host? |
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| 13:02.24 | babilen | knubbze: apt-file search -x "bin/host$" â bind9-host â enable "deb-src" line in /etc/apt/sources.list (/msg dpkg deb-src) â mkdir foo ; cd foo â apt-get source bind9-host â PROFIT! |
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| 13:04.44 | man_in_ltop | looks around |
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| 13:07.05 | knubbze | babilen: you sir, are awesome |
| 13:07.17 | knubbze | 7win 37 |
| 13:09.45 | man_in_ltop | what's the command to dpkg to search for a given file in packages? |
| 13:10.00 | man_in_ltop | as in the irc bot, not the package installer program :D |
| 13:10.08 | petemc | find foo |
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| 13:16.08 | man_in_ltop | ok, fixed the bastard. turns out libGL1.so.1 was not linked to /etc/alternatives |
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| 13:16.39 | ethanol | http://text.pastebin.com/0C9jJ67e guys my ext3 journal is fux0red or something. drives are fine according to raid controller though. any thoughts? |
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| 13:17.18 | man_in_ltop | ethanol, fsck do anything useful? |
| 13:17.27 | ethanol | Superblock has an invalid ext3 journal (inode 8). |
| 13:17.27 | ethanol | Clear<y>? |
| 13:17.49 | ethanol | *** ext3 journal has been deleted - filesystem is now ext2 only *** |
| 13:17.54 | ethanol | not sure I wanted that |
| 13:17.55 | man_in_ltop | ok |
| 13:17.55 | ethanol | :< |
| 13:18.03 | man_in_ltop | now add a new journal with tunefs |
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| 13:18.20 | petemc | i would do a fsck first |
| 13:18.20 | ethanol | it's still checking more |
| 13:18.22 | man_in_ltop | and you may want to do fsck for badblocks too |
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| 13:20.36 | hydester | hi. i'm using maverick with encrypted LVM and just today get a ext4_ext_check_inode: inode #8913011: (comm login) bad header/extent: invalid magic - magic 0, entries 0, max 0(0), depth 0(0). fsck doesn't claim to fix anything. i get the bootup password and the gnome login screen, but can only login via console tty. any idea how to fix it? |
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| 13:22.42 | sedulous | Can I use davfs (WebDAV) file systems as backends for Ceph? If not, is there a similar file system to Ceph that would work on WebDAV? |
| 13:23.19 | gnarface | jelly: what about virtualization? what's best? |
| 13:23.47 | man_in_ltop | gnarface, i like vbox |
| 13:24.01 | gnarface | url? |
| 13:24.09 | man_in_ltop | virtualbox.org |
| 13:24.18 | man_in_ltop | or aptitude install virtualbox-ose |
| 13:24.28 | gnarface | ose? |
| 13:24.34 | man_in_ltop | open source edition |
| 13:24.58 | man_in_ltop | the closed-source edition has things like client-side usb support |
| 13:25.14 | gnarface | client side? |
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| 13:25.30 | man_in_ltop | yeah |
| 13:25.42 | gnarface | as in you can't use usb keyboards with the open source version? |
| 13:25.53 | man_in_ltop | no, you can |
| 13:26.12 | jelly | !best |
| 13:26.12 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 13:26.13 | man_in_ltop | but in the closed-source version, you can get the client to grab the device, and use its drivers |
| 13:26.37 | jelly | gnarface: USB2 support in vbox isn't free software, only in their binary builds. |
| 13:26.46 | man_in_ltop | e.g., you have some usb device that needs windblows drivers to do firmware update; you can't do that in the ose |
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| 13:27.23 | man_in_ltop | jelly, i thought they didn't have usb support at all in ose |
| 13:27.30 | ethanol | hihi |
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| 13:27.34 | ethanol | can't make it ext3 again |
| 13:27.35 | man_in_ltop | ehci/usb2 support is separate again |
| 13:27.38 | ethanol | cause it is read-only now |
| 13:27.39 | ethanol | :< |
| 13:27.50 | ethanol | reboot required; mother of god |
| 13:27.52 | man_in_ltop | ethanol, so you want to unmount it |
| 13:27.55 | man_in_ltop | reboot? |
| 13:27.57 | man_in_ltop | no, unmount |
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| 13:28.00 | ethanol | unmount my root system? |
| 13:28.01 | man_in_ltop | then tunefs |
| 13:28.04 | jelly | personally I like vSphere but it costs a pretty penny and requires dedicated servers |
| 13:28.04 | gnarface | i'm not sure i'm sold on virtualbox yet. how does it compare to xen? |
| 13:28.10 | man_in_ltop | root filesystem? |
| 13:28.16 | sedulous | gnarface: KVM is free (libre) and supports USB + PCI pass-through |
| 13:28.25 | ethanol | /dev/sda1 |
| 13:28.35 | ethanol | pretty sure my root is on there |
| 13:28.35 | ethanol | :< |
| 13:28.38 | man_in_ltop | ethanol, you should be using a bootcd to recover it then |
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| 13:28.50 | ethanol | /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
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| 13:28.57 | gnarface | interesting. does kvm also support hardware-accelerated virtualization features built into the newer amd and intel chips? |
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| 13:29.12 | gnarface | if so, how well, which ones? |
| 13:29.33 | man_in_ltop | gnarface, kvm makes use of amd and intel vt extensions |
| 13:29.38 | man_in_ltop | i forget what they're called |
| 13:29.50 | man_in_ltop | ONE of them is "vt", i'm pretty sure |
| 13:29.50 | sedulous | gnarface: KVM _only_ works on CPUs with hardware virtualization, both Intel VT-x and AMD-V |
| 13:29.54 | man_in_ltop | anyway, i gotta sleep |
| 13:30.04 | man_in_ltop | ah yeah, sedulous is on the money there |
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| 13:30.10 | sedulous | PCI passthrough requires Intel VT-d / AMD IOMMU |
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| 13:30.54 | gnarface | what would i check for in /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 13:31.40 | sedulous | gnarface: check for vmx in /proc/cpuinfo (that's VT-x / AMD-V) |
| 13:32.18 | sedulous | IOMMU can be found in dmesg: "grep IOMMU /var/log/dmesg" should yield something like: [ 0.024324] IOMMU 0: reg_base_addr feb03000 ver 1:0 cap c9008020e30260 ecap 1000 |
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| 13:32.44 | sedulous | tho IOMMU is really only necessary if you want to pass PCI devices to your VMs -- USB works without it of course |
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| 13:33.58 | sedulous | gnarface: the CPU flag for AMD-V is "svm" / Intel VT-x is "vmx" |
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| 13:35.01 | gnarface | thanks |
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| 13:35.59 | sedulous | gnarface: KVM is less end-user oriented than VirtualBox but capable nevertheless. If you need a good frontend, check out libvirt (abstraction layer for VMs, devices, ....) and virt-manager (GUI) -- http://libvirt.org/ |
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| 13:37.55 | phaidros | grub2 question: what is wrong, and why does this config dont get a menu? http://pastie.org/1492399 |
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| 13:39.05 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 13:39.56 | gnarface | thanks for the info people |
| 13:40.30 | gnarface | which debian package(s) would i install for kvm? |
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| 13:41.06 | sedulous | gnarface: kvm libvirt-bin virt-manager |
| 13:41.45 | gnarface | so how well does it work? |
| 13:41.47 | gnarface | well? |
| 13:41.55 | gnarface | like with graphics acceleration and stuff? |
| 13:42.07 | gnarface | could i run games on the guests and expect it to run reliably? |
| 13:42.12 | daemonkeeper | People asking like this actually mean "Can I run Windows 3D games" |
| 13:42.22 | daemonkeeper | Then the answer is most likely: No. |
| 13:42.43 | gnarface | shrug... or wine in a 32-bit guest on a 64-bit system |
| 13:43.05 | daemonkeeper | You won't need KVM for that |
| 13:43.08 | sedulous | gnarface: AFAIK, there's no accelerated graphics for KVM, except OpenGL-passthrough between Linux host and guest |
| 13:43.31 | sedulous | you cannot expect games to run very well |
| 13:43.41 | sep | gnarface, kvm uses vnc for guest console. i think it's not going to be useable for intense graphics at all |
| 13:43.44 | gnarface | ok, noted |
| 13:44.05 | gnarface | i was hoping for something on par with parallels on mac |
| 13:44.11 | gnarface | is that too much to hope for? |
| 13:44.20 | daemonkeeper | Before you ask: Same for Xen and others, although it supports PCI passthrough for VGA |
| 13:44.35 | sedulous | sep: that is the default but you can connect with X forwarding and use VMGL to pass OpenGL: http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/HOWTO_VMGL -- alternatively there's the RedHat SPICE protocol which is not (yet) available on Debian |
| 13:44.54 | sedulous | gnarface: VirtualBox is what you want then |
| 13:45.18 | daemonkeeper | Virtualbox uses SDL as well as default display |
| 13:45.52 | sedulous | daemonkeeper: VirtualBox has built-in 3D guest support. i can easily play ioQuake3 on a windows guest, max details, 60fps @ 1280x1024 |
| 13:46.01 | sedulous | linux host, windows guest |
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| 13:46.21 | ethanol | well shit |
| 13:46.24 | ethanol | my system wont reboot |
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| 13:46.37 | ethanol | stupid read only mode |
| 13:47.39 | daemonkeeper | sedulous: OpenGL only (if acceleration is available on the host system) |
| 13:47.45 | daemonkeeper | Which is the same as for KVM |
| 13:47.50 | sedulous | daemonkeeper: Direct3D as well, to some degree |
| 13:48.13 | gnarface | wait so kvm does also have guest 3d hardware accel if the host has it? |
| 13:48.16 | sedulous | VirtualBox is using Wine's Direct3D translation layer inside the Windows guest to translate to OpenGL |
| 13:48.19 | ethanol | anyone got a suggestion on how to reboot a read only system? |
| 13:48.36 | jelly | !sysrq |
| 13:48.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-[Key]. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try [Key] with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key and http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysrq.txt . See also <sysrqd>. |
| 13:48.42 | gnarface | ethanol: remount it read-write then don't reboot it? |
| 13:48.54 | daemonkeeper | As far as I know this is experimental and supports older D3D layers only sedulous. |
| 13:48.57 | ethanol | gnarface, it's my root. I cannot remount it |
| 13:48.59 | sedulous | gnarface: only with Linux hosts and guests |
| 13:49.18 | jelly | ethanol: do you have console access? |
| 13:49.24 | ethanol | ssh only right now |
| 13:49.26 | daemonkeeper | As far as they can transitively mapped to native OpenGL |
| 13:49.38 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 13:50.14 | jelly | ethanol: you can echo letters into /proc/sysrq-trigger to get an equivalent of pressing Alt-SysRq combos on the console |
| 13:50.25 | ethanol | wtfux |
| 13:50.46 | ethanol | jelly: that's about as obscure as morse-code to me |
| 13:51.09 | jelly | echo s >> /proc/sysrq-trigger; echo u >> /proc/sysrq-trigger; sleep 2; echo b >> /proc/sysrq-trigger |
| 13:51.22 | jelly | ethanol: and your system is gone |
| 13:51.35 | ethanol | gone as in? |
| 13:51.37 | ethanol | rebooting? |
| 13:51.41 | jelly | yes. |
| 13:51.49 | ethanol | lets hope so |
| 13:52.06 | ttiicc | I would like to have a good reference for administrating the (linux) system. |
| 13:52.07 | ttiicc | I would like to have a shallow presentation of these areas: backups(bacula and/or amanda) mailserver(postfix), webserver(apache), DNS(bind), file/printer sharing( smb), svn(subversioning), ldap(openldap), database (mysql). I already know a lot or some about these subject but still would be nice to have them all in one nice book! |
| 13:52.22 | jelly | ethanol: but you've shown errors that look like hardware issues before, so whether it's going to boot back up is anyone's guess |
| 13:52.23 | ethanol | jelly: if it doesn't come back, you owe me coffee |
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| 13:52.37 | ethanol | jelly nah that was another machine. it's my lucky week |
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| 13:53.01 | jelly | ethanol: if you can't get console access, I'd advise against doing it |
| 13:53.16 | ethanol | well too late, cause I just love copy-pasting random stuff from irc and trying it out |
| 13:53.50 | ethanol | gets ready to submit a request for dc access |
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| 13:57.57 | jelly | ethanol: now you have time to read the links above and learn what you just did |
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| 13:59.06 | ethanol | what links? |
| 13:59.30 | ethanol | ah nevermind, saw them |
| 13:59.45 | tdn | I may have found a bug while trying to install request-tracker in Lenny: http://paste.adora.dk/P1922.txt |
| 14:00.06 | tdn | What do you think? Is this package broken? |
| 14:00.06 | babilen | jelly, ethanol: Isn't "r" "e" "i" "s" "u" "b" the preferred invocation? |
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| 14:00.28 | Azrael_- | i have a minimal lenny-installation (in a xen-hvm) and every time i try to bring up eth0 i get this error: "SIOCSIFFLAGS: the requested address cannot be assigned". any idea how to solve this? |
| 14:00.30 | ethanol | babilen, well regardless it's gone now. |
| 14:00.41 | ethanol | and not coming back it seems. |
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| 14:01.27 | babilen | ethanol: Probably just checking the filesystem -- wait a little longer |
| 14:01.43 | ethanol | well |
| 14:01.49 | ethanol | I give it 15 more minutes |
| 14:01.54 | ethanol | cant get into dc before that anyway |
| 14:02.21 | babilen | that is generous -- what is this "dc" you talk about? |
| 14:02.27 | ethanol | datacenter |
| 14:02.36 | ethanol | it's a 2 minute drive from here |
| 14:02.40 | babilen | .oO( aaah! ) |
| 14:03.15 | ethanol | have to request access through web panel in advance. time has to be in the future, bla bla. |
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| 14:04.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, arriving in the past gives most people difficulties anyway |
| 14:04.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Back To the Future, etc. |
| 14:05.34 | ethanol | yeah but I can't request 1 minute from now. they only offer :00, :15, :30, :45 |
| 14:07.06 | gnarface | xnest vs xephyr? |
| 14:07.15 | gnarface | or other? |
| 14:07.20 | gnarface | vnc? |
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| 14:09.15 | Ecco__ | Hi everyone |
| 14:09.20 | SpeedyG | oi |
| 14:09.27 | Ecco__ | Is there a "default" way to save and restore iptables settings ? |
| 14:09.32 | ethanol | yes |
| 14:09.35 | ethanol | iptables-save > |
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| 14:09.37 | SpeedyG | iptables-save and iptables-restore |
| 14:09.38 | ethanol | iptables-restore < |
| 14:09.39 | Ecco__ | Ok :-) |
| 14:09.45 | Ecco__ | Gentoo has startup scripts |
| 14:09.57 | Ecco__ | I was wondering if there was something similar in Debian installed by default |
| 14:10.11 | ethanol | I had a nice init.d script online |
| 14:10.16 | ethanol | but I just killed the server hosting it |
| 14:10.19 | Ecco__ | There's this : http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 14:10.35 | Ecco__ | It seems quite "manual" to me |
| 14:10.40 | Ecco__ | but meh, it makes sense :-) |
| 14:10.56 | ethanol | Ecco__, http://bash.pastebin.com/v17UkLEJ |
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| 14:11.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | "Sugar is a graphical user interface aimed at children."... wtf |
| 14:11.14 | Ecco__ | thanks |
| 14:11.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | aiming sugar at children... that's pretty mean |
| 14:11.27 | babilen | Ecco__: Not necessary, you can just add a script that basically does "iptables-restore < /foo/bar/baz/iptables-rules" to /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ (down) ... |
| 14:11.58 | Ecco__ | yep |
| 14:12.02 | Ecco__ | that's what the wiki recommends |
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| 14:12.10 | ethanol | I like mine more :< |
| 14:12.22 | ethanol | because iptables is not interface dependant |
| 14:12.31 | babilen | Ecco__: Or just note that in yout /e/n/i -- read "man interfaces" -> pre-up (inter alia) |
| 14:12.46 | sep | CutMeOwnThroat, probably authored by ada |
| 14:12.50 | Ecco__ | hmm, I quite didn't get it |
| 14:12.51 | Ecco__ | but ok :-) |
| 14:12.54 | abrotman | ethanol: your rules can be |
| 14:13.05 | abrotman | ethanol: so you could have a different iptables script per interface |
| 14:13.06 | ethanol | abrotman, true. |
| 14:13.20 | ethanol | abrotman, but that could get messy. I would not personally recommend it. |
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| 14:13.41 | abrotman | ethanol: iptables can get messy :) |
| 14:14.08 | babilen | ethanol: yeah, the problem i see with your script is that it depends on $network, so the network will be up *before* iptables rules are in effect |
| 14:14.55 | ethanol | babilen, well it doesn't have to be. |
| 14:15.34 | babilen | Ecco__: Basically just "pre-up iptables-restore /foo/iptables-rules" in /etc/network/interfaces for the approprate interfaces (same for the "down" ones) |
| 14:15.44 | Ecco__ | oh, ok :-) |
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| 14:16.06 | babilen | Ecco__: I missed a "<" in there, but you get the idea |
| 14:16.06 | Ecco__ | What you said is just really interesting : |
| 14:16.14 | Ecco__ | 1/ Why should there be a script per interface ? |
| 14:16.25 | Ecco__ | 2/ So it's better to start iptables before upping the interface ? |
| 14:16.32 | ethanol | because that's how /e/n mostly works |
| 14:16.32 | abrotman | 2) Yes |
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| 14:16.46 | abrotman | Ecco__: you may have interfaces you bring up dynamically .. vpn/ppp/etc |
| 14:16.49 | Ecco__ | So there's no window of possible hack opportunity ? |
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| 14:17.33 | ethanol | also $network is nothing more but low level networking |
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| 14:17.38 | ethanol | it does not require a live connection |
| 14:17.45 | ethanol | so it's pretty safe in my book |
| 14:19.00 | ethanol | anyway, datacenter time. machine still not back :< |
| 14:19.26 | babilen | ethanol: cya later, hope its nothing serious. |
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| 14:23.12 | Azrael_- | nvm, got it |
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| 14:25.42 | UukGoblin | oh, actually using {perl:Depends} in control helped, sorry for bothering ;-] |
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| 14:54.14 | inki | heya |
| 14:54.31 | inki | any happen to know where to get a mysql 5.0.77 backport for lenny? |
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| 14:55.21 | babilen | ,versions mysql-server-5.0 |
| 14:55.22 | judd | Package mysql-server-5.0 on i386 -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch12; etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch12; etch-backports: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2~bpo40+1; lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5 |
| 14:55.36 | inki | :-( |
| 14:56.11 | inki | thx anyway, babilen |
| 14:56.11 | DelTree | I thought there were no more etch repositories... |
| 14:56.15 | babilen | inki: ah, 5.1 has been backported to lenny, not 5.0.77 -- why do you need that specific version? (let me guess: some PHP something depends on it and won't work with another version) |
| 14:56.39 | inki | babilen: Sort of, yea |
| 14:56.44 | babilen | i knew it |
| 14:56.53 | inki | well, it's not exactly like that |
| 14:57.05 | babilen | inki: Well, I guess you have to install it yourself from upstream sources -- /msg dpkg usrlocal -- /msg dpkg stow |
| 14:57.07 | inki | our dbs run centos which has a 5.0.77 |
| 14:57.35 | inki | but i want the dev machines run the same version, but they run debian lenny |
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| 14:58.14 | DelTree | you're pretty much in a situation where I would call for do it yourself... ^_^ |
| 14:58.31 | inki | yeah |
| 14:58.38 | inki | i will use the source |
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| 14:59.24 | stew | then when squeeze is released, switch everything to squeeze |
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| 14:59.26 | DelTree | you can always apt-get source the deb pkg and have a look at it for help... |
| 14:59.29 | SuperAlekZ | what does that mean? :o http://pastie.org/1492809 |
| 14:59.57 | stew | SuperAlekZ: you are trying to install a package which doesn't exist |
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| 15:00.03 | stew | SuperAlekZ: (in any of your current repositories) |
| 15:00.05 | abrotman | it means the package doesn't exist .. you spelled it wrong |
| 15:00.08 | SuperAlekZ | but what's the package then? :S |
| 15:00.09 | inki | stew: the dev machines go along with the live nodes, and it will take a while for them to get rid of lenny |
| 15:00.17 | stew | judd: versions libmono-windowsbase3.0-cil |
| 15:00.18 | judd | Package libmono-windowsbase3.0-cil on i386 -- sid: 1.0-2; lenny-backports: 2.6.7-4~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.7-4; squeeze: 2.6.7-4 |
| 15:00.20 | babilen | inki: Or you could use dev machines with 5.0 or 5.1 for lenny, a centos 5.0.77 testbox on which you check that the software you develop works regardless of the specific mysql version before you deploy it to production machines. That way you can make sure that you don't develop against a specific version and/or bugs in that version |
| 15:00.28 | abrotman | or ont! |
| 15:00.29 | stew | SuperAlekZ: you have the right name, but it isn't in lenny, its in backports: /msg dpkg bdo |
| 15:00.31 | abrotman | :( |
| 15:00.53 | babilen | inki: Or just use Debian on the centos machines ;) |
| 15:00.55 | inki | babilen: I'm also thinking of a centos VM for every dev |
| 15:01.05 | SuperAlekZ | stew: thanks for the info, but i don't really understand what you mean :S |
| 15:01.09 | inki | babilen: the dev machine also is a vm |
| 15:01.19 | babilen | inki: that is a good option IMHO (but you shouldn't require a specific mysql version anyway) |
| 15:01.20 | SuperAlekZ | stew: that's what i'm trying to do http://pastie.org/1492817 |
| 15:01.24 | SuperAlekZ | don't know why i get this error |
| 15:01.30 | tabakhase | hm, what about "stop using eth0:XY"? i heard its "outdated"? |
| 15:01.52 | inki | babilen: i don't _require_ a specific mysql version, but the dev environment should mimick the live env as close as possible |
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| 15:02.21 | petemc | tabakhase: you can add addresses to an interface with ip addr add, but using aliased interfaces still works |
| 15:02.40 | stew | tabakhase: its not necessarily outdated, but there are ways of having more than one ip address on eth0 without having to create an alias |
| 15:02.51 | SuperAlekZ | stew? :o |
| 15:02.54 | stew | SuperAlekZ: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:03.48 | stew | SuperAlekZ: are you running "lenny" aka 5.0.x ? |
| 15:03.49 | babilen | inki: I agree with all your points and think that a test VM for local tests is most likely the best option. |
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| 15:04.01 | inki | right |
| 15:04.04 | SuperAlekZ | yea |
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| 15:04.37 | tabakhase | stew ok, but then i cannot split traffic between them hm? is this possible with tagged? like iptraff? |
| 15:04.37 | stew | SuperAlekZ: the package you are trying to install was neven in lenny. it will be in the next release. there is, however a backported version available for lenny. /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg bdo |
| 15:04.42 | babilen | inki: Just thought that testing against different versions/distributions ensures that your product works with 5.0.X and {debian, ubuntu, RH, Suse, ...} |
| 15:05.03 | babilen | inki: 5.1.X or even 5.X ;) |
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| 15:05.14 | inki | babilen: we run our own website |
| 15:05.15 | stew | tabakhase: you can split between them. what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 15:05.27 | stew | tabakhase: splitting traffic between two ips on the same interface seems odd though |
| 15:05.31 | inki | babilen: it's not a product that is shipped/installed on customer servers |
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| 15:05.55 | SuperAlekZ | stew: http://pastie.org/1492817 any idea what could be the reason? the developers of this tool said they removed the dependency for the windows base |
| 15:06.49 | inki | thxbye |
| 15:06.50 | stew | SuperAlekZ: sorry |
| 15:06.52 | babilen | inki: testing never hurts -- but I won't argue as I think that you understand my points and you understand your needs and I concur that "like-production-VMs" are a good way to ensure that you can push it live all the time |
| 15:07.02 | SuperAlekZ | ? |
| 15:07.06 | inki | babilen :-) gotta run |
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| 15:07.38 | tabakhase | stew ive got 4 ip blocks, each with 6 ips. like 1.1 to 1.6 (germany) 1.7 to 1.14( netherlands). so .1.1-6 could be one in ipftaf |
| 15:08.05 | tabakhase | and not only iptraf, munin should be able to get stats separated |
| 15:09.26 | SuperAlekZ | stew: how can i check which version of mono i have installed? |
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| 15:10.02 | tabakhase | stew seems like my way will be using http://wertarbyte.de/debian/ifupdown/addresses with address-LOCALE with create_alias_devices yes and label_addresses yes |
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| 15:11.58 | SuperAlekZ | how to check versions of a package that i installed? |
| 15:12.23 | stew | SuperAlekZ: apt-cache policy mono-runtime |
| 15:12.34 | SuperAlekZ | thanks |
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| 15:12.55 | SuperAlekZ | oh i see, it's way too old.. how can i update it stew ? |
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| 15:13.31 | stew | SuperAlekZ: by using backports. did you read about backports yet? |
| 15:14.12 | SuperAlekZ | stew: is there no newer version for the current lenny than mono 1.9.1 ? oO |
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| 15:14.21 | stew | tabakhase: yeah, so you are using the newer stuff with /bin/ip instead of just creating an aliased eth0:XY device |
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| 15:14.41 | stew | judd: versions mono-runtime |
| 15:14.43 | judd | Package mono-runtime on i386 -- etch: 1.2.2.1-1etch1; etch-security: 1.2.2.1-1etch1; etch-backports: 1.9.1+dfsg-6~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.9.1+dfsg-6; lenny-backports: 2.6.7-4~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.7-4; squeeze: 2.6.7-4 |
| 15:14.50 | stew | SuperAlekZ: see above, there is 2.6.7 for lenny |
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| 15:15.02 | SuperAlekZ | ah i see, well i need exactly this version |
| 15:15.02 | Benkinooby | hi, i use a netbook and want to mount an external cd/rw rive to it. my computer notices it http://pastebin.com/TXRTjdvy , but using nautilu's "write to disk..." when right clicking on an iso file, tells me that no cd is available. what is the best ways to make the drive usable? |
| 15:15.11 | SuperAlekZ | so i messaged dpkg about backports |
| 15:15.16 | tabakhase | stew jeps, this script doese the transforming to ifup/down rules and adds me taged interfaces as i want it |
| 15:15.17 | SuperAlekZ | but how can i install that one now? :o |
| 15:15.44 | stew | SuperAlekZ: read the instructions page on http://backports.debian.org |
| 15:16.10 | skinder | i cannot access my webcam (/dev/video0) without sudo. debian sid. it has crw-rw----+ permissions. |
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| 15:16.31 | stew | skinder: who is the group owner? |
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| 15:16.46 | skinder | crw-rw----+ 1 root video 81, 0 Jan 24 17:41 /dev/video0 |
| 15:16.55 | stew | skinder: add yourself to the video group, login, logout |
| 15:17.03 | skinder | stew, thank you |
| 15:17.09 | stew | err, logout, login |
| 15:17.23 | SuperAlekZ | stew: i have sources.list and sources.list.d .. where to add that line? |
| 15:17.39 | Azrael_- | i try to follow the cryptsetup-remote howto. installed dropbear, generated all keys but "update-initramfs -uv" never includes dropbear |
| 15:18.05 | stew | SuperAlekZ: look at the very first instruction |
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| 15:18.11 | ethanol | yay it's alive again |
| 15:18.13 | stew | SuperAlekZ: but eitehr place will work |
| 15:18.14 | SuperAlekZ | alrighty |
| 15:18.18 | SuperAlekZ | k :) |
| 15:18.20 | Azrael_- | any idea how to solve this? |
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| 15:19.16 | SuperAlekZ | stew: does this mean i have the new one or i have it available for download http://pastie.org/1492868 |
| 15:19.50 | stew | SuperAlekZ: "Installed: 1.9.1+dfsg-6" means you have 1.9.1 installed |
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| 15:19.55 | stew | SuperAlekZ: but 2.6.7 is available |
| 15:20.09 | SuperAlekZ | so updating the whole package will work how? :D |
| 15:20.38 | stew | SuperAlekZ: i don't understand your question, can you rephrase it? |
| 15:20.58 | SuperAlekZ | stew: how can i install the new version now.. the backport one |
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| 15:21.09 | SuperAlekZ | with apt-get -t lenny-backports install mono ? |
| 15:21.11 | stew | SuperAlekZ: you've done the first two instructions, read the third |
| 15:21.23 | stew | SuperAlekZ: that will work |
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| 15:21.29 | SuperAlekZ | cool :) |
| 15:21.44 | SuperAlekZ | stew: "E: Package mono has no installation candidate" :S |
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| 15:22.37 | stew | SuperAlekZ: sorry, the package name is mono-runtime |
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| 15:25.02 | tabakhase | stew what will happen if a ipbinding fails? will the server get stuck? |
| 15:25.20 | SuperAlekZ | thanks :) |
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| 15:25.48 | tabakhase | (2 servers witch both have bindet all ips, the internal routing who gets witch will be done by my switching struct. |
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| 15:28.36 | SuperAlekZ | stew: thanks now it gets a little bit further :) but look at this http://pastie.org/1492898 |
| 15:29.27 | stew | tabakhase: i'm not sure I follow what you are trying to do |
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| 15:29.39 | stew | SuperAlekZ: i'll help with free software, but not this non-free software |
| 15:30.05 | SuperAlekZ | stew: it is free :o |
| 15:30.15 | stew | SuperAlekZ: where do I get the minecraft source code? |
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| 15:30.44 | SuperAlekZ | stew: isn't that only an error because of the mono-runtime? :o |
| 15:31.26 | stew | SuperAlekZ: what license is this software released under? |
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| 15:31.51 | SuperAlekZ | free under certain conditions |
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| 15:32.04 | stew | that's non-free then |
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| 15:32.26 | SuperAlekZ | actually it seems like shareware |
| 15:32.28 | SuperAlekZ | hm yeah so non-free |
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| 15:33.49 | tabakhase | stew 2 servers at the same hoster, when i bind 1.1 to srv01 (for testing normal add to interfaces file & ifup eth0:0) this works. when i do the same on srv2 (same IP) it dosnt give me a error, but ip is not reachable. so: is it safe to reboot witrh such a "faulty ip" or whill the server get stuck? (even when it "worked" from shell) the switching "where the IP should be" is then done from my admin panel, so one srv will get it, the other not ;- |
| 15:33.53 | babilen | SuperAlekZ: You probably need a newer version of mono gac |
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| 15:34.33 | SuperAlekZ | "The following packages have unmet dependencies: libmono-system-runtime2.0-cil: Depends: libmono-system-web2.0-cil (>= 1.9.1) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages" |
| 15:34.33 | jelly | babilen: it's little use to mess with the keyboard from a ssh session, also sending signals to processes when your disk is probably dead doesn't seem too useful either |
| 15:34.40 | SuperAlekZ | babilen & stew |
| 15:34.44 | stew | SuperAlekZ: use aptitude |
| 15:34.52 | tabakhase | stew im just angry of "try and see my babe dying" :D |
| 15:34.57 | SuperAlekZ | stew for removing? |
| 15:35.04 | babilen | jelly: ah, yeah -- makes sense :) |
| 15:35.26 | jelly | babilen: the other reason is I'm used to s-u-b ;-) |
| 15:35.28 | stew | tabakhase: it shouldn't be any different on a reboot than it does when adding with a shell |
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| 15:35.30 | babilen | ,versions mono-2.0-gac |
| 15:35.31 | judd | Package mono-2.0-gac on i386 -- lenny-backports: 2.4.2.3+dfsg-2~bpo50+1; lenny-backports: 2.6.7-4~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.7-4; squeeze: 2.6.7-4 |
| 15:35.41 | stew | SuperAlekZ: what command gave you that error? |
| 15:36.00 | Azrael_- | i try to install dropbear into initramfs but can't find the dropbear-hook for initramfs. can you give me a hint where to find it? |
| 15:36.07 | SuperAlekZ | wait a sec please, think i can figure it out :o |
| 15:36.12 | tabakhase | stew wonderfull, than ill give it a try now, thanks so far |
| 15:36.21 | babilen | SuperAlekZ: Among other mono packages (Never used mono and can't hold your hand -- looks as if some (important?) packages have been backported) -- /msg dpkg bdo |
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| 15:36.51 | stew | tabakhase: just don't go trying to add more than one default gateway |
| 15:36.58 | babilen | btw -- why are there two versions in lenny-backports in judds output? %-) |
| 15:37.31 | stew | babilen: probably because ia64 is behind |
| 15:37.52 | babilen | stew: Package mono-2.0-gac on i386 ? |
| 15:37.58 | stew | babilen: its arch:all |
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| 15:38.03 | babilen | ah! |
| 15:38.07 | tabakhase | stew i already did the gateway fault :D, but some month ago |
| 15:38.37 | stew | babilen: so the older arch:all package has to hang around for the arch:any packages which are behind on ia64 |
| 15:38.56 | stew | judd: info mono-runtime --release lenny-backports --arch ia64 |
| 15:38.59 | tabakhase | hm, my vlan gets a special port at /proc/net/dev is there a way to get "an entry there" for my alias blocks or smth? |
| 15:38.59 | judd | Package mono-runtime (cli-mono, optional) in lenny-backports/ia64: Mono runtime. Version: 2.4.2.3+dfsg-2~bpo50+1; Size: 1743.3k; Installed: 5908k; Homepage: http://www.mono-project.com/ |
| 15:39.01 | stew | judd: info mono-runtime --release lenny-backports --arch amd64 |
| 15:39.03 | judd | Package mono-runtime (cli-mono, optional) in lenny-backports/amd64: Mono runtime. Version: 2.6.7-4~bpo50+1; Size: 1407.4k; Installed: 3832k; Homepage: http://www.mono-project.com/ |
| 15:39.19 | SuperAlekZ | stew: http://pastie.org/1492934 |
| 15:39.21 | SuperAlekZ | :/ |
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| 15:40.16 | babilen | stew: Great, I incorporated your patch to my brainwaves. Thanks for the pointer! |
| 15:40.17 | stew | SuperAlekZ: can you show me the full output of "aptitude -t lenny-backports install libmono-system-runtime2.0-cil" ? |
| 15:41.33 | SuperAlekZ | yes we can |
| 15:41.40 | Azrael_- | http://gpl.coulmann.de/ssh_luks_unlock.html <-- this tutorial is outdated but i can't get the newer version working. can you give me some hints? |
| 15:42.07 | SuperAlekZ | stew: http://pastie.org/1492946 |
| 15:42.35 | stew | SuperAlekZ: you said "accept this solution" even though it wasn't the solution you wanted |
| 15:43.34 | stew | SuperAlekZ: you can say "n" to try another solution, or nudge it towards a solution with something like "+libmono-system-data-linq2.0-cil" |
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| 15:44.51 | SuperAlekZ | ah okay i'll try :) |
| 15:45.01 | SuperAlekZ | just retry the command or anything else before that, stew? |
| 15:45.14 | stew | just retry |
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| 15:45.33 | stew | SuperAlekZ: but when it says "accept this solution" don't say "Y" until it is actually an agreeable solution |
| 15:46.37 | SuperAlekZ | stew: how about this solution http://pastie.org/1492958 ? |
| 15:46.43 | SuperAlekZ | i think it's the 3rd or 4th |
| 15:47.21 | ethanol | [ 1716.573402] EXT3-fs error (device sda1): ext3_lookup: deleted inode referenced: 615475 |
| 15:47.27 | ethanol | crap, and then it went read only again |
| 15:47.27 | ethanol | :< |
| 15:47.31 | stew | SuperAlekZ: do you want to downgrade back to the old 1.9.1 mono? |
| 15:48.01 | SuperAlekZ | na i want 2.6.7 including the libmono-system-runtime2.0-cil :o |
| 15:48.07 | stew | SuperAlekZ: then its not a good solution |
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| 15:49.13 | SuperAlekZ | stew: hm :/ doesnt look like the other ones are good neither |
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| 15:50.55 | riot | um, how do i pin a package that i downgraded manually via dpkg -i? |
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| 15:51.42 | dkr | you can probably just aptitude hold it rather than mess with pinning |
| 15:52.20 | Jemt | Hi guys. I have Debian installed on a USB hard drive. My computer doesn't support USB boot, so I use a Live CD to boot into Debian. What will happen if I upgrade Debian on the USB drive? The CD still contains the old kernel. Will I ALWAYS be able to boot the USB drive using the old kernel (as longs as I doesn't perform a dist upgrade to the next version of Debian, of course) ? |
| 15:52.33 | ethanol | ok so my root system went into read only cause of a journal fuxor. I fixed it using fsck. how can I get it read-write again? |
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| 15:53.10 | dkr | ethanol: mount -o rw.remount / |
| 15:53.15 | dkr | er, rw,remount |
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| 15:53.39 | ethanol | mount: block device /dev/sda1 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 15:53.40 | ethanol | : ( |
| 15:53.43 | jelly | ethanol: you have to reboot. |
| 15:53.50 | ethanol | awwww fuck not again. |
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| 15:53.55 | jelly | fsck should have told you so |
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| 15:54.13 | jelly | also: |
| 15:54.15 | jelly | !forcefsck |
| 15:54.16 | dpkg | To instruct your system to execute <fsck> on the next boot: "touch /forcefsck". Useful for checking the root filesystem for errors (via /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh). Alternatively, supply the -F option to shutdown(8) to create the /forcefsck advisory file, or include "forcefsck" at the kernel command line (Squeeze). |
| 15:54.34 | ethanol | it did not. just said it was clean. |
| 15:54.35 | stew | SuperAlekZ: try "aptitude -t lenny-backports install '~i~scli-mono'" |
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| 15:54.55 | ethanol | I cannot create /forcefsck.. it's read only |
| 15:54.56 | ethanol | :< |
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| 15:55.03 | Benkinooby | !install debian |
| 15:55.04 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 15:55.12 | SuperAlekZ | stew: how can i check if it worked? |
| 15:55.22 | stew | SuperAlekZ: apt-cache policy mono-runtime |
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| 15:55.47 | SuperAlekZ | stew: Installed: 2.6.7-4~bpo50+1 |
| 15:55.53 | jelly | ethanol: try convincing the mgt to buy hardware with remote power and console support! |
| 15:56.02 | ethanol | : ( |
| 15:56.03 | SuperAlekZ | stew: problem is that one: root [ ~ ]# apt-cache policy libmono-system-runtime2.0-cil libmono-system-runtime2.0-cil: Installed: (none) |
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| 15:56.23 | ethanol | at least 'reboot' actually worked this time. |
| 15:56.35 | ethanol | no need to attempt to use alt sys rq |
| 15:56.39 | stew | SuperAlekZ: aptitude install -t lenny-backports libmono-system-runtime2.0-cil |
| 15:56.40 | ethanol | lets just hope it gets back up |
| 15:56.44 | Benkinooby | sqeeze = debian 5.0.9? |
| 15:57.15 | stew | Benkinooby: no, lenny == 5.0.8, squeeze will be 6.0 when it is released (see the /topic) |
| 15:57.23 | SuperAlekZ | stew: the same :o |
| 15:57.27 | SuperAlekZ | -score 9827 |
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| 15:59.12 | ethanol | WARNING!!! Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause |
| 15:59.12 | ethanol | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.15 | ethanol | sounds promising |
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| 16:00.22 | stockholm | ethanol: well, you can mount it read-only. that helps |
| 16:00.34 | ethanol | meh it said clean |
| 16:00.41 | ethanol | now I did shutdown -rF now |
| 16:00.48 | ethanol | think that should force another fsck on reboot |
| 16:01.18 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 16:02.34 | ethanol | oh, it's not rebooting again. |
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| 16:03.01 | ethanol | or maybe it is. I have no clue. god, what a great start of a fresh week. |
| 16:03.34 | flo` | hu |
| 16:03.36 | flo` | *hi |
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| 16:04.10 | flo` | how does debian sid compare to arch linux in terms of stability and being-up-to-date? |
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| 16:05.30 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: Sid is unstable. |
| 16:05.45 | babilen | !tell flo` about sid |
| 16:05.52 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: It is not a release of debian, it is the software pool for packages making their way to testing. |
| 16:06.02 | simonrvn | flo`: dunno about the others, but i can't answer that, i'm pretty sure you could more easily than i could. packages.debian.org gives you the list of packages available. |
| 16:06.04 | ethanol | but debians definition of unstable is hardly what most people would call unstable |
| 16:06.09 | flo` | "unstable" in terms of "breaks often", or in terms of "we don't guarantee that everything works always, but it usually works good"? |
| 16:06.22 | simonrvn | flo`: also, sid is for "testers and developers" |
| 16:06.23 | babilen | ethanol: same holds true for "stable" |
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| 16:07.02 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: unstable in that it's behavior changes unpredictably. |
| 16:07.25 | flo` | jhutchins, that was the exact, mathematically correct definition. and what's the experience? |
| 16:07.30 | babilen | flo`: You probably want to use squeeze from now on and for 6-12 months and upgrade to "wheezy" ("testing") afterwards or install specific software from wheezy-backports if you *need* newer software |
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| 16:08.14 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: We generally don't recommend that users new to debian's packaging system try to test sid. |
| 16:08.36 | flo` | i am not new to debian or it's packaging system... i can use it |
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| 16:08.57 | flo` | is that enough to be able to use sid? or must i fully understand the whole machinery of dpkg and apt and stuff? |
| 16:09.01 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: We know that sid WILL break fairly regularly as new packages that aren't compatible with others enter the system, and as packages that don't have all of their current dependencies available yet are released. |
| 16:09.08 | babilen | flo`: sid breaks and you'll have to work on it. running testing is typically quite a smooth experience if you adhere to 1. Debian relese â run stable 2. After 6-12 months, consider upgrading to testing and investigate the situation 3. Upgrade to testing 4. Wait for next release 5. Continue |
| 16:09.50 | flo` | why not immediately use testing? |
| 16:09.53 | stew | unstable breaks more often, testing breaks for longer periods of time |
| 16:09.54 | jhutchins_lt | Also, if you're going to "upgrade" to testing you should have the ability to fall back to stable. |
| 16:09.59 | SuperAlekZ | stew: mono looks to me like sh*t-software :/ |
| 16:10.05 | flo` | for example, by using "testing" instead of "squeeze"? |
| 16:10.19 | simonrvn | squeeze is releasing soon |
| 16:10.29 | babilen | flo`: You need a good understanding of Debian packaging in order to get out of some of the problems you'll run into when you use sid. I recommend testing -- Some DDs started an initiative called CUT -- /msg dpkg cut -- that might be interesting to you, but it is in the planning phase right now |
| 16:10.39 | flo` | jhutchins_lt, do you mean "should have" like "you will have" or like "you'll be screwed if you haven't"? |
| 16:10.43 | stew | flo`: when squeeze is released, we expect testing to be quite bumpy for a while after the freeze is lifted and thousands of packages start migrating to testing |
| 16:10.46 | babilen | flo`: No, you never use "testing" in your sources.list |
| 16:10.57 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: More you'll be screwed. |
| 16:11.07 | babilen | (or you shouldn't for the reasons stew pointed out) |
| 16:11.17 | stew | using "testing" in sources.list is ok, but you have to watch out for what happens right after release |
| 16:11.20 | stew | right |
| 16:11.33 | stew | using "stable" in sources.list is the worse thing by far |
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| 16:11.36 | jhutchins_lt | Testing and unstable/sid are not the latest greatest releases of Debian, they are projects meant to develop the latest release. |
| 16:11.56 | flo` | well, look, my problem is, that debian lenny simply is ancient... i cannot even compile the versions of programs and libs i need, because the dependencies are too old... |
| 16:12.07 | flo` | so, what do you suggest me to do? |
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| 16:12.34 | flo` | use testing? use sid? use another distro (not good :/ ) |
| 16:12.34 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: If you really need software that is that new and un-tested, another distribution might be better for you. |
| 16:12.51 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: Don't plan to use sid on a computer you use to get work done. |
| 16:12.59 | flo` | new and tested would be cool ;) |
| 16:13.02 | themill | flo`: you can use squeeze, sure. But that does not require you to put "testing" in your sources.list. Just "squeeze". |
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| 16:13.55 | flo` | themill, i knew that i can put squeeze in there. i just wanted to know if putting testing will also work... it seems to not work ;) |
| 16:14.08 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: The only reason people are recommending testing is that it's scheduled for release next month. |
| 16:14.37 | themill | flo`: it will work, it might just give you a very nasty surprise immediately after release when all hell typically breaks loose. |
| 16:14.46 | flo` | btw, another problem is, that the packages aren't so bug-free as one may think :/ |
| 16:14.47 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: using testing in your sources list has unpredictable consequences. |
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| 16:15.28 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: I call "hell breaks loose" or "impeding doom" "horrendous things" quite predictable ;) |
| 16:15.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | flo`, it works... but whenever squeeze becomes stable, you will get updates from wheezy and, as has already been pointed out, that is usually quite a quote bumpy ride unquote after a release |
| 16:15.33 | flo` | for example, brasero fails burning, several other tools often break (with segfaults)... |
| 16:15.52 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: True, but the specific breakages are less predictable. |
| 16:16.07 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: Not in lenny. |
| 16:16.17 | flo` | jhutchins_lt, yes. in lenny. |
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| 16:16.23 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: Not, at least, for most people who haven't messed around with parts of the system. |
| 16:16.42 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: brassero is reliable for most gnome users, as it has been across distributions for several years. |
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| 16:16.49 | flo` | if installing xfce4.6 from lenny-backports doesn't count as "mess around", i didn't mess around |
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| 16:17.23 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: That's exactly the kind of thing that causes problems, but so is running brassero under xfce instead of gnome. |
| 16:17.26 | flo` | well, on my system, brasero often tells me that it cannot burn, because it cannot open the cd drive (mechanically; it cannot eject it) |
| 16:17.55 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: You probably do not have membership in the correct group. |
| 16:17.59 | flo` | hrm, okay... but there's no working burner for xfce which does everything brasero can do :( |
| 16:18.09 | flo` | jhutchins_lt, even root cannot do this :( |
| 16:18.16 | flo` | this may be some HAL issue, i suspect |
| 16:18.25 | amgarching | hi, how are the timestamps in dmesg to be interpreted by a human? How do I convert 109337.975292 to a date? |
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| 16:19.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | amgarching, look in /var/log/kern.log |
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| 16:19.25 | superstraw | hmm |
| 16:19.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | should be the same + time/date |
| 16:19.37 | flo` | hrm. so debian seems NOT to run smoothly if someone fiddles around with the system... is there a distro (which still is stable (like in "doesn't break every week")) which has up-to-date (not bleeding edge, but not ancient) packages and allows me to fiddle a bit? |
| 16:19.46 | simonrvn | joeyh made that propsal in '08.. |
| 16:20.20 | babilen | flo`: What do you mean by "fiddling" |
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| 16:20.32 | simonrvn | flo`: hal is pretty broken, and no one wants to deal with it, instead moving on to dbus |
| 16:20.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | the (un)experienced will break anything... no? |
| 16:20.51 | simonrvn | that's whats going upstream anyway |
| 16:21.00 | cahoot | amgarching: isn't it seconds since boot? |
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| 16:21.02 | flo` | babilen, from "installing xfce4.6" to "using my self-compiled kernel" even up to "changing system boot scripts, initrd and similar hacks" |
| 16:21.29 | simonrvn | or using my own /etc/services :P |
| 16:21.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | cahoot, and the stuff behind the dot are microseconds? |
| 16:21.32 | stew | flo`: testing? |
| 16:21.33 | flo` | the first seems to have broken a few things. the second seems to have broken nothing, and i didn't try the third, as debian's boot scripts are too complicated |
| 16:21.36 | amgarching | CutMeOwnThroat: oh, thanks. I was hoping to find them in syslog, but failed. |
| 16:22.02 | cahoot | CutMeOwnThroat: I think they are seconds too - but smaller |
| 16:22.12 | stew | flo`: stable + backports? |
| 16:22.12 | babilen | flo`: Most of these things work well in Debian or there are better (and supported) ways to solve a particular problem. |
| 16:22.56 | danols | what do you type to get some user info ? |
| 16:22.58 | themill | flo`: sure, it can work just fine if you do those things to it. Just when *you* break things, *you* get to unbreak them too. |
| 16:23.04 | flo` | stew, well, i installed xfce4.6 from backports. that was the thing which broke things a bit |
| 16:23.15 | stew | flo`: can you be more specific? |
| 16:23.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | danols, "w"? |
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| 16:24.14 | danols | CutMeOwnThroat: no looking more for like what user the group is in, etc |
| 16:24.22 | danols | should I just install userinfo ? |
| 16:24.28 | simonrvn | flo`: for a server, stable + backports is perfectly fine. for a workstation or desktop, some people don't find this satisfactory. personally, that's up to them what they use, but for a newbie definitely stable. |
| 16:24.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | what user the group is in? |
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| 16:24.43 | danols | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah |
| 16:24.47 | simonrvn | danols: man who; man id; |
| 16:24.53 | danols | thanks! |
| 16:24.56 | jhutchins_lt | is confused, flo` said he was running arch, now he's acting as if he was running lenny. |
| 16:24.57 | stew | danols: "groups username" |
| 16:25.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean what group the user is in? |
| 16:25.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | "groups user" |
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| 16:25.43 | danols | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
| 16:26.03 | danols | do you guys recommend userinfo ? |
| 16:26.04 | flo` | jhutchins_lt, you got that wrong. i never said i am running arch, i am in fact running lenny |
| 16:26.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | userinfo sounds niceish |
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| 16:26.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | danols, try it and tell us |
| 16:26.22 | danols | k |
| 16:26.47 | flo` | i'm not a newbie any more, i assume... i even got (a time ago!) arch working (but i found it a bit too work-intensive :/ ) |
| 16:27.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | flo`, you can but try... |
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| 16:28.18 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: From what you've said so far, it's more likely that an error configuring your custom kernel caused the cdr problem. Does it work with a stock kernel? |
| 16:28.40 | flo` | jhutchins_lt, no. i've tried that |
| 16:28.46 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: Do console utilities like "eject" work? |
| 16:28.56 | flo` | jhutchins_lt, burning from console via cdrdao work as well |
| 16:29.10 | flo` | eject works, even as non-root |
| 16:29.22 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: In that case it's probably something simple like barssero is looking for a different device name. |
| 16:29.37 | danols | CutMeOwnThroat: it spits info out but it's UGLY |
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| 16:29.57 | flo` | jhutchins_lt, ok, that may be the brasero problem |
| 16:30.07 | flo` | but there's another: some libs (like openCV) are simply too old |
| 16:30.26 | flo` | and some of them don't even compile, because the (up-to-date) dependencies are missing! |
| 16:30.27 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: Then you should run another distro that releases with newer software. |
| 16:30.39 | flo` | so you mean, debian isn't for me? |
| 16:30.53 | flo` | not even debian testing or sid? |
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| 16:31.25 | blue_sky | sid is for the masochistic |
| 16:31.25 | flo` | i mean, switching to another distro is... acceptable, but IF it's not more stable than testing or sid, for example, why not directly use testing/sid? |
| 16:31.33 | flo` | blue_sky, i used arch. |
| 16:31.41 | flo` | arch is for the even more masochistic |
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| 16:33.33 | blue_sky | stable should be that, stable. Testing is that, testing, things *may* break. Sid, well, you have seen Toy Story haven't you? |
| 16:33.48 | flo` | i haven't |
| 16:34.09 | blue_sky | flo`: in that case, FYI, Sid breaks things |
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| 16:35.12 | blue_sky | flo`: the problem with following either sid or testing is that an upgrade may break, not because of the new package you've added, but because of an upgrade to something unrelated |
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| 16:36.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, sid is also for mixing packages into testing when the packages in testing are broken |
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| 16:37.20 | blue_sky | flo`: you can always go without package management, try something like LFS or, IIRC, Gentoo. Then you have complete control... but also the work involved in following security mailing lists etc. |
| 16:37.51 | flo` | gentoo has emerge |
| 16:38.03 | flo` | i don't like the work involved. |
| 16:38.04 | jhutchins_lt | blue_sky: gentoo has package management. |
| 16:38.41 | c0nsense | hello! i'm running an server debian with zimezone don't iqual to my place.. how to use the date command to show date and time from my place? |
| 16:38.44 | jhutchins_lt | Perhaps you would be better off with a commercial OS where the work is (has to be) done for you. |
| 16:39.01 | jhutchins_lt | !localles |
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| 16:39.10 | jhutchins_lt | !locales |
| 16:39.10 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates <locale> definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command, ask me about <localised errors>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 16:39.30 | blue_sky | flo`: jhutchins_lt: It didn't when I last used it |
| 16:40.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | c0nsense, try tzselect |
| 16:40.52 | AlexC_ | blue_sky: portage |
| 16:40.56 | danols | this is really sad there is no good utility to display all user information for the console... |
| 16:41.00 | danols | I can't seem to find one |
| 16:41.16 | AlexC_ | danols: what info are you after? |
| 16:41.23 | blue_sky | AlexC_: blimey, that takes me back |
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| 16:41.33 | tabakhase | http://wertarbyte.de/debian/ifupdown/addresses addds just one ip =( |
| 16:41.34 | AlexC_ | :) |
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| 16:42.10 | danols | AlexC_: most info suchs gorups, id etc |
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| 16:42.23 | tabakhase | addressess-api x.x.162.216/29 ends up in just x.x.162.216, but mnask is set correctly to 255.255.255.248 |
| 16:42.35 | danols | rather than typing gorups or id or all these separate commands to remember. |
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| 16:43.18 | danols | someone suggested i use usermod |
| 16:43.26 | danols | but it doesn't seem to have display only function |
| 16:43.28 | danols | just changing |
| 16:44.21 | thewanderer1 | hm what are you trying to do? get info about a user? |
| 16:44.23 | AlexC_ | danols: well ... why does `id` not provide what you need? |
| 16:44.34 | AlexC_ | it shows me all the groups, the user id, group id |
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| 16:44.56 | danols | It does AlexC_ look at the options of usermod can change isn't there a one utitliy to display all those ? |
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| 16:45.13 | danols | userinfo comes the closest but it's output is for scripting |
| 16:45.27 | thewanderer1 | danols: getent passwd $USERNAME |
| 16:45.28 | AlexC_ | `grep user /etc/passwd` :P |
| 16:45.35 | thewanderer1 | AlexC_: this is inaccurate :P |
| 16:45.55 | AlexC_ | thewanderer1: I know, hence the ':P' ... not a good way of doing it :) |
| 16:45.58 | jhutchins_lt | !timezone |
| 16:45.58 | dpkg | [timezone] the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" (Lenny, Squeeze) or "tzconfig" (Etch). Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: "invoke-rc.d postfix restart" to update localtime in the chroot. |
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| 16:46.50 | jhutchins_lt | danols: Write a perl script to format it however you like. |
| 16:47.06 | danols | jhutchins: that's what I was afraid off |
| 16:47.15 | danols | sad |
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| 16:47.18 | thewanderer1 | danols: you can use sed, yes |
| 16:48.09 | jhutchins_lt | danols: Doesn't bother enough people seriously enough that they've built something you approve of. |
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| 16:48.37 | danols | it's lovely to write something - but I'm paid to spend my time developing sites not writing admin utilities - just my opinion. |
| 16:48.42 | danols | anywho guys thanks for all the tips |
| 16:48.45 | blue_sky | \part That's my working day done. Home to the wife, TTFN |
| 16:48.47 | danols | i'll stick to ID and groups |
| 16:48.52 | blue_sky | clever me! |
| 16:49.01 | danols | how can I verify which 'home' directory a user has ? |
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| 16:49.14 | danols | tried getent home foo |
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| 16:49.24 | lupine_85 | it'll be in /etc/passwd usually |
| 16:49.43 | stew | danols: getent passwd username | awk -F: '{print $6}' |
| 16:50.17 | stew | danols: or perhaps getent passwd username | cut -d: -f6 |
| 16:50.18 | danols | stew: acctually getent will prob do all I need |
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| 16:51.37 | danols | yeah getent works great getent passwd shows all |
| 16:51.38 | danols | cool |
| 16:51.39 | danols | thanks guys |
| 16:51.51 | simonrvn | danols: getent passwd foo |
| 16:52.15 | thewanderer1 | people, what is the purpose of /etc/networks? |
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| 16:52.41 | thewanderer1 | I mean, nowadays. I don't have any "known DARPA networks"... |
| 16:52.49 | petemc | man networks |
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| 16:53.06 | thewanderer1 | yes, I'm looking at it and it doesn't make sense to me in 2011 |
| 16:53.19 | petemc | probably vestigial |
| 16:53.47 | dutchfish | hi, how can i verify if /etc/init.d/networking restart will break my system or not (squeeze/x86_64)? |
| 16:54.44 | thewanderer1 | dutchfish: ever heard of the uncertainity principle? :) |
| 16:55.03 | AlexC_ | try it and see, teleport back in time if it breaks |
| 16:55.25 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: its more like entropie in a chaotic model, but i could be wrong. |
| 16:55.26 | AlexC_ | but if it breaks, you'll most likely get stuck in some kind of teleporting infinte loop |
| 16:56.09 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: my q, however, is serious |
| 16:56.17 | stew | now I'm hungry for a slice of entropie |
| 16:56.54 | thewanderer1 | dutchfish: what I'm stating is that there is no way to find out without actually running the commands. now, if you are able to duplicate the test environment somewhere to run the commands in... |
| 16:57.25 | thewanderer1 | are you on a remote host and are afraid of losing connection? |
| 16:57.50 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: up until lenny it worked flawless, however since squeeze, this no longer seams to be 100% |
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| 16:58.16 | thewanderer1 | well, the message is rather scary, yes... how about a full reboot if you're worried? |
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| 16:58.39 | thewanderer1 | btw. networking restart works for me more often than not |
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| 16:59.04 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: its not this case only, sure, i could do that, but i want more details about processes what could go wrong, so i would be prepared next time. |
| 17:00.02 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: or a method to find out in a test envirenment |
| 17:00.15 | thewanderer1 | basically only 2 things can go wrong: deconfiguring the old setup and applying the new one |
| 17:00.28 | thewanderer1 | so the system could for example fail to stop the dhcp client |
| 17:00.40 | thewanderer1 | it most probably will if you have changed from dhcp to static... |
| 17:00.49 | dutchfish | ic |
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| 17:01.21 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: more practical example: changing a fixed ip for a machine and its fqdn |
| 17:01.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | so we can suppose that stew knows what type of fruit an entro is... |
| 17:02.01 | thewanderer1 | if you're working over SSH, when the process disconnects it is likely to end hanged up, so do that in a screen session or something... |
| 17:02.21 | thewanderer1 | or at least nohup, or & |
| 17:02.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually networking restart didn't use to deconnect running sshs |
| 17:02.27 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: nice tip, ty |
| 17:02.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/de/dis/ |
| 17:02.46 | dutchfish | yup |
| 17:02.48 | thewanderer1 | CutMeOwnThroat: no, ssh restart didn't use to and still does not |
| 17:02.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, networking restart |
| 17:02.59 | thewanderer1 | but if you change your IP address, all TCP sessions are lost... |
| 17:03.10 | dutchfish | yes |
| 17:03.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean /etc/init.d/networking restart ... but I was never sure what it actually did anyway |
| 17:03.36 | dutchfish | hence my q |
| 17:03.40 | thewanderer1 | basically ifdown -a && ifup -a |
| 17:03.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, did not |
| 17:04.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least interfaces didn't really go down... hm, not sure - but that was the impression I got |
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| 17:04.28 | thewanderer1 | ok, it does this: |
| 17:04.36 | thewanderer1 | ifdown -a --exclude=lo || true |
| 17:04.36 | dutchfish | ok, so it might be worthwhile to figure this one out to the bottom ..... |
| 17:04.40 | thewanderer1 | ifup -a --exclude=lo |
| 17:05.18 | thewanderer1 | it's what it calls when issued "restart" or "force-reload" |
| 17:05.25 | dutchfish | ah ok, so any process through lo would still be unaffected |
| 17:05.31 | thewanderer1 | yup |
| 17:05.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok... fairysnuff - so I gues ssh just keeps running if this is fast enough and you end up with the same IP afterwards |
| 17:06.11 | dutchfish | thank you all very much ! |
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| 17:07.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | dutchfish, at least the init script in that regard seems to still be the same in squeeze as in lenny |
| 17:07.18 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
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| 17:08.24 | thewanderer1 | and fqdn from /etc/hostname is not related to the networking scripts |
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| 17:08.46 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: nscd? |
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| 17:09.31 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: and nfs squash |
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| 17:09.53 | thewanderer1 | hmm what? |
| 17:10.09 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: booted over squashfs from nfs |
| 17:10.37 | dutchfish | thewanderer1: but i work my way trhough it, np |
| 17:10.39 | thewanderer1 | hm, it will be a tricky one |
| 17:10.51 | dutchfish | thanks so far ! |
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| 17:19.37 | sanjoyd | Newbie question about Python: if I want to add a new module to my system's python path, is the /right/ location "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages"? |
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| 17:20.51 | dutchfish | last q for today (squeeze/x86_64): What could cause TCP: Peer x.x.x.x:51742/54121 unexpectedly shrunk window 3932359732:3932368972 (repaired) (2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 03:40:32 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux) |
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| 17:21.52 | stew | sanjoyd: /usr/local/lib/pythonX.Y/site-packages |
| 17:22.12 | sanjoyd | stew: Thanks! |
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| 17:31.36 | simonrvn | dutchfish: networking issue, probably the peer or some other node along the way, did exactly what the message says |
| 17:31.39 | dutchfish | ah found it, its an old message with a new name for: kernel: TCP: Treason uncloaked! |
| 17:31.54 | dutchfish | simonrvn: since 2.6.32 |
| 17:32.13 | dutchfish | simonrvn: thanks |
| 17:32.22 | simonrvn | ah. probably broken remote. |
| 17:32.39 | dutchfish | yep, its an informational only |
| 17:32.45 | mmm4m5m | Hi all. Few questions please. I want umask default 027 (debian squeeze). After some search and read, the only place that need change is '/etc/login.defs'. Correct? (Eventual problems could be with older gnome/gdm, so I may need to create/edit '/home/.../.gnomerc'???). And last question: reading 'man pam_umask' - Does PAM module get the umask from the very last found place (/etc/login.defs)? From man page: 'PAM module get the umask value from the following place |
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| 17:36.11 | flo` | how can i set the standard include search path for gcc/g++? |
| 17:36.27 | anelevoli | how can one cancel disk check when booting Squeeze? |
| 17:36.33 | flo` | i want to have the same effect like when specifying -I /foo, only without having to specify that all the time |
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| 17:37.40 | tPl0ch | Hello there, we are having problems installing a newer version of the php5-memcache package from lenny-backports. Although i provide the '-t lenny-backports' to apt-get, i doesn't show me any new packages, only the currently installed version, which now is 3.0.1-1 |
| 17:37.44 | mmm4m5m | flo`: is that 'ls -l'? (Check aliases in your ~/.bashrc file) |
| 17:38.03 | flo` | mmm4m5m, wtf? |
| 17:38.18 | flo` | i want gcc to search in /foo for includes as well |
| 17:38.21 | flo` | how can i do that? |
| 17:38.26 | mmm4m5m | sorry :) |
| 17:39.13 | ElDiabolo | Hi. How can I disable all lid switch funtionality? |
| 17:39.36 | themill | flo`: you can set it through an environment variable. |
| 17:39.43 | skamikaze | mmm4m5m: umask should to to /etc/profile |
| 17:39.55 | skamikaze | mmm4m5m: 027? sure bout that? |
| 17:39.59 | flo` | themill, is it also possible to set it permanently? |
| 17:40.15 | skamikaze | *go to |
| 17:40.16 | themill | you set the environment variable in your profile |
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| 17:40.34 | mmm4m5m | skamikaze: yes, nothing world readable - full privacy for my personal PC :) |
| 17:40.56 | skamikaze | well your pc |
| 17:40.57 | skamikaze | :) |
| 17:40.58 | bint | hi there |
| 17:41.07 | bint | i'd like to lock a user in his homedir |
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| 17:41.37 | bint | but i dont know how.. i found a some article that tells i have to change it in /etc/chroot.conf |
| 17:41.45 | bint | /etc/security/chroot.conf |
| 17:41.51 | bint | but i dont have chroot.con in /etc/security |
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| 17:42.01 | skamikaze | bint: google for chroot env (rssh e.g., pam) |
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| 17:42.50 | bint | aright |
| 17:43.16 | skamikaze | bint: there's a good tutorial in the debian user guides if i remember right |
| 17:43.18 | bint | well but i think thats not excatly what i want |
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| 17:43.25 | bint | i dont want to lock all users somewhere.. |
| 17:43.28 | bint | just one single user |
| 17:43.58 | bint | lets say every user says in /home/username but one user i'd like to lock in /var/www/thisuser/ |
| 17:44.13 | bint | so he's able to do whatever he wants in /thisuser/ but can't browse the filesystem |
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| 17:49.20 | jhutchins_lt | bint: Why not just make their document root /home/thisuser(/www) |
| 17:49.31 | jhutchins_lt | bint: That's what I do. |
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| 17:49.56 | jhutchins_lt | bint: I also don't expect my clients to be snooping around the server - mostly they lack the interest, and they also know enough not to mess with things. |
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| 17:53.58 | stew | bint: your users login via ssh? |
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| 17:56.46 | bint | yep |
| 17:56.51 | bint | my user logsin via ssh |
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| 17:57.20 | stew | bint: then realize that what you are going to have to do is basically create a mini debian install for each user (well for each chroot) |
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| 17:57.36 | bint | hmm ok |
| 17:57.54 | stew | bint: for instance, if you chroot them, and you want them to be able to run "ls", then you need to give them their own copy of ls, and whatever libraries from /lib that they need to run ls (ldd /bin/ls) |
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| 17:58.12 | bint | [18:49] <jhutchins_lt> bint: Why not just make their document root /home/thisuser(/www) i've never seen that before |
| 17:58.24 | bint | what das (/www) stand for? |
| 17:58.34 | stew | bint: World Wide Web |
| 17:58.48 | bint | ... |
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| 17:59.06 | bint | but its diffrent from /home/thisuer/www |
| 17:59.15 | bint | i've never seen a (/.....) |
| 17:59.34 | jhutchins_lt | bint: So it's /home/user/www on my system. I have a sample directory in /etc/skel, and that defaults as the user's www root (server.com/~user/) |
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| 17:59.54 | bint | ahh aright |
| 17:59.55 | flo` | hrm... where is the difference between aptosid and debian sid? |
| 17:59.55 | bint | got it |
| 18:00.09 | capitann | guys i'm confused... isn't the default setup of apache with /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default a SYMLINK to /etc/apache2/sites-available/default ? mine seems to be a hard copy of the file |
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| 18:00.11 | bint | well i should do it like that then |
| 18:00.17 | flo` | is aptosid more stable? or has it more recent packages? or is it only a different name oO? |
| 18:00.39 | jhutchins_lt | bint: They can keep other general-purpose files in /home/user/ and they can make other subdirectories. If they have their own domain, http:/www.theirdomain.com/ points to /home/user/www as well. |
| 18:00.52 | simonrvn | wth is aptosid? sounds like a chemical :P |
| 18:01.00 | stew | flo`: ask #aptosid on irc.oftc.net |
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| 18:01.19 | flo` | ok, thanks |
| 18:01.37 | jelly-home | simonrvn: sidux, renamed |
| 18:01.55 | simonrvn | oh. still sounds like one. |
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| 18:02.40 | danols | anyone has experience with jailing a user on sftp ? |
| 18:02.43 | g105b | can anyone tell me if it is possible to read/write files in PHP if served using cherokee ? |
| 18:02.51 | danols | I have it setup but it's not working |
| 18:03.03 | danols | the auth.log shows no error but the connection is just closed |
| 18:03.13 | geekosopher | Upgraded from lenny to squeeze without a hitch. \0/ Everything works fine |
| 18:03.27 | capitann | geekosopher, hooray! :) |
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| 18:03.55 | geekosopher | just one problem... now when I give 'apt-get autoremove' it gives this long list of packages to be removed http://paste.debian.net/105558/ |
| 18:04.13 | geekosopher | don't know if its okay |
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| 18:05.35 | simonrvn | geekosopher: likely they were auto-installed. i'd use aptitude to figure it out. personal preference. |
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| 18:06.48 | geekosopher | simonrvn: what to do with aptitude? |
| 18:06.58 | stew | geekosopher: do you see anything in that list that you don't want removed? |
| 18:07.10 | simonrvn | find out what it wants to remove, and wheteher or not you wanna keep it |
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| 18:07.18 | simonrvn | whether* |
| 18:08.15 | keith4 | is there a potential downside to using localepurge, other than the obvious missing-other-languages? |
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| 18:08.27 | dmi3on | hi i need help with running debian on amazon ec2, besicly i am lost there are so many AMI's not sure whitch one i should use thanks |
| 18:09.41 | geekosopher | 'aptitude autoremove' gives 'Unknown command "autoremove"' though the 'autoremove' part of the command autocompletes on pressing tab key |
| 18:09.46 | geekosopher | simonrvn: ^ |
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| 18:11.38 | simonrvn | i said 'aptitude' i didn't say 'aptitude autoremove' did i? |
| 18:13.09 | geekosopher | stew: idk if its okay to remove those packages, |
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| 18:13.57 | geekosopher | simonrvn: oops just aptitude? |
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| 18:15.06 | simonrvn | yes |
| 18:15.20 | stew | geekosopher: do you see anything in that list that you know you want to keep? |
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| 18:15.56 | dmi3on | any one know chanel with support on could computing ? |
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| 18:17.11 | geekosopher | stew: no, I am just wondering if removing any would break the system |
| 18:17.16 | stew | geekosopher: no |
| 18:17.17 | valdyn | dmi3on: to vague, i doubt it |
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| 18:19.12 | geekosopher | simonrvn: never used aptitude earlier, but the first line that resembles a status bar says '#Broken: 2 Will free 183 MB of disk space DL Size: 467 KB' |
| 18:19.38 | stew | geekosopher: i'd suggest running "aptitude -f install" |
| 18:19.46 | danols | is it possible to execute a command on sftp login for a specific user ? I want to auto mount the users website in a jailed directory and unmount on exit |
| 18:20.02 | simonrvn | press b to find out what the broken packages are. listen to stew. |
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| 18:20.31 | stew | danols: yes, you can replace the sftp-server with a wrapper script (as long as you weren't planning on using the chroot capabilities in the internal sftp server) |
| 18:20.49 | geekosopher | simonrvn: doing what stew says :) |
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| 18:21.30 | jelly-home | danols: there may be PAM modules relevant to that goal, I'd apt-cache search pam mount |
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| 18:21.42 | danols | stew: I am chrooting the user |
| 18:21.47 | danols | and than I need to mount a folder |
| 18:22.06 | danols | i'm really new to this so any help would be appreciated been at this for about 8 hours total now |
| 18:22.27 | danols | the reason I need this the way chroot works it wants to make sure all prior paths are chmod 755 and root:root |
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| 18:22.52 | danols | but I also want to have my own group devs to be able to write and read to all files |
| 18:22.57 | danols | which nullifies the chroot |
| 18:23.05 | danols | so I setup a seperate folder for sftp clients |
| 18:23.09 | danols | they can log in |
| 18:23.20 | danols | and I want to mount their site in their home sftp directory |
| 18:23.31 | stew | danols: how are you chrooting them? |
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| 18:24.16 | danols | stew: like so in here http://library.linode.com/security/sftp-jails/ |
| 18:24.25 | danols | through ssh_config |
| 18:24.43 | stew | danols: i don't know of a way using that mechanism |
| 18:24.53 | geekosopher | stew: pressing b shows gnome-desktop-environment conflicts with gstreamer0.10-gnomevfs and epiphany-browser conflicts with swfdec-mozilla |
| 18:24.54 | danols | stew: how do you do it ? |
| 18:24.58 | danols | it's for SFTP only |
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| 18:25.08 | danols | no shell access |
| 18:25.25 | stew | danols: i don't automaically mount things when people log in via sftp |
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| 18:25.51 | stew | danols: you could perhaps do this using scponly as the chroot then instead of using internal-sftp, use the external one, but replace it with a script |
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| 18:27.24 | simonrvn | geekosopher: porbably a version conflict, or a change of package name |
| 18:27.32 | danols | stew: it looks like a shell wrapper |
| 18:27.49 | danols | the users need to have sftp access only no shell |
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| 18:27.59 | danols | stew: yes? |
| 18:28.12 | stew | danols: yes, create a shell wrapper around /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server and configure that as the sftp server in sshd_config with "Subsystem sftp /path/to/your/wrapper" |
| 18:28.37 | jelly-home | what's wrong with pam_mount! |
| 18:28.42 | stew | no idea |
| 18:28.51 | stew | jelly-home: i didn't know about it? |
| 18:28.54 | jelly-home | okay then |
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| 18:29.00 | danols | jelly: what's pam_mount ? |
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| 18:29.14 | jelly-home | judd, info libpam-mount |
| 18:29.16 | judd | Package libpam-mount (admin, extra) in lenny/i386: PAM module that can mount volumes for a user session. Version: 0.44-1+lenny3; Size: 96.7k; Installed: 280k; Homepage: http://pam-mount.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:29.33 | jelly-home | judd, description libpam-mount |
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| 18:29.43 | danols | jelly-home: that could work |
| 18:29.43 | jelly-home | oh, you don't do that |
| 18:29.44 | themill | jelly-home: not in the database anywhere |
| 18:29.52 | danols | can you set it up to automount on a sftp login only ? |
| 18:30.06 | jelly-home | " This module is aimed at environments with central file servers that a |
| 18:30.06 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.06 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.06 | jelly-home | " |
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| 18:30.34 | jelly-home | needs a de-linefeeder filter |
| 18:30.40 | danols | jelly-home: yes I read that (googled it already) can it be 'executed' when user sftp in ? (not shell)( |
| 18:31.01 | jelly-home | danols: openssh is pam enabled in Debian. |
| 18:31.10 | danols | ok ok |
| 18:31.16 | danols | I think i'm getting warmer |
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| 18:32.07 | jelly-home | having a session with or without an interactive shell should make no difference. That said, I haven't _used_ pam_mount, merely knew it existed |
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| 18:33.33 | jelly-home | and a nontrivial pam stack can be tricky to set up (or I'm dumber than I think!) |
| 18:34.21 | danols | config looks pretty easy http://linux.frank4dd.com/en/man5/pam_mount.conf.htm |
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| 18:35.36 | iateadonut | if you wanted to make an alphanumeric code that was very easy for a human to read from a card and then enter into a computer, you wouldn't include 1,l,i,0, or o in the code. how else would you make it easier? |
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| 18:36.33 | iateadonut | naturally it would be case insensitive |
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| 18:37.07 | jelly-home | iateadonut: 5k1p 5 and s a5 well? |
| 18:37.30 | jelly-home | iateadonut: how large a code space do you need? |
| 18:37.37 | iateadonut | less than 1 million. |
| 18:37.51 | iateadonut | so, if it included everything we just said, 5 digits would be more than sufficient |
| 18:38.01 | stew | make the card a usb thumbdrive :) |
| 18:38.34 | iateadonut | 5 digits would be 20 million |
| 18:38.37 | stew | send it in an email instead of on a card so they can copy and paste! |
| 18:38.47 | jelly-home | iateadonut: 32^4 = a million, more or less |
| 18:39.52 | jelly-home | include one of 1, l or I but make the parser parse any of them as the same code ;-) |
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| 18:43.06 | geekosopher | stew: 'aptitude -f install' first offered a solution to 'keep the conflicting packages in the current state' After pressing enter to accept the default response, it again popped up those list of 142 packages to remove. When I pressed 'n' it quit, and now it stops showing all those packges from autoremove list (and so does apt-get) |
| 18:43.07 | karlpinc | iateadonut: You'd put a space every 3 characters and make it ignore spaces. |
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| 18:43.33 | geekosopher | i guess that is it then |
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| 18:44.41 | karlpinc | iateadonut: You'd either get rid of 3 and E or you'd make sure the letters were all lower case. |
| 18:44.55 | geekosopher | thanks stew and simonrvn for clearing the doubts |
| 18:45.39 | geekosopher | goes find the old walpaper and gdm theme, the current ones are too cartoonish for his taste |
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| 18:46.15 | simonrvn | np |
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| 18:47.55 | iateadonut | a space every three characters is a very good suggestion |
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| 18:50.01 | jelly-home | iateadonut: or you could be evil and use the s/key like encoding |
| 18:50.53 | jelly-home | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2290315/otp-or-s-key-conversion-of-hex-string-into-6-readable-words |
| 18:51.09 | jelly-home | "The one-time password is therefore converted to, and accepted as, a sequence of six short (1 to 4 letter) English words. Each word is chosen from a dictionary of 2048 words; at 11 bits per word, all one-time passwords may be encoded" |
| 18:51.55 | jelly-home | so, three words give you 2**33 (8 million) combinations |
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| 18:56.09 | iateadonut | so, barring using full words, the best alphanumeric sequence is: no 1,l,i,0,o,5,s and a space every 3 characters that is not counted by the parser |
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| 19:11.47 | HackeMate | someone know how to create a cluster with normal machines and debian? |
| 19:11.58 | HackeMate | if possible not openmosix |
| 19:12.21 | toropisco | RedHat cluster among several. |
| 19:12.44 | HackeMate | is it for free? |
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| 19:12.56 | HackeMate | redhat enterprise werent free |
| 19:13.21 | HackeMate | nope, red hat cluster suite availabe for enterprise version |
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| 19:14.02 | toropisco | Have yo bothered searching the repository? apt-cache does wonders. |
| 19:14.44 | HackeMate | apt-cache search cluster? i'll go |
| 19:16.01 | jhutchins_lt | aptitude search ~dcluster |
| 19:16.19 | danols | is there a convention where to put apache htpasswd file ? |
| 19:16.41 | jhutchins_lt | danols: In the affected directory usually. |
| 19:17.00 | jordanm | ehh, I go with anywhere outside of the webroot |
| 19:17.11 | jhutchins_lt | danols: It's more efficient to put the directives in a Directory statement in the main config though. |
| 19:17.18 | jordanm | you can include in the webroot, but you will want to restrict access to the file via .htaccess |
| 19:17.20 | danols | I'm planning to block access to www.foo.com:80 www.foo.com:81 www.foo.com:82 etc it's on a dev server |
| 19:17.26 | jhutchins_lt | Ach, I'm thinking htaccess. |
| 19:17.39 | danols | so I think in in main config file in my sitation |
| 19:17.43 | jhutchins_lt | danols: Yes, what jordanm said, outside the web tree. |
| 19:17.57 | danols | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.19 | danols | makes sense yes ? |
| 19:18.41 | jordanm | danols: you are the admin, its your choice. I use something like /usr/local/apache/<site>/passwd |
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| 19:20.21 | tharkun | Gentlemen what is the command to regenerate the xorg.conf file using X |
| 19:20.22 | danols | jordanm: but I wish to block it for all sites - can I block it through one directive in main apache insance ? for exxample www.foo.com:80 and www.foo.com:81 , acctually any site www.foo.com:* ? |
| 19:20.39 | danols | s/instance/config |
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| 19:23.58 | jhutchins_lt | danols: I think you're looking for an allow/deny section on the web root. |
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| 19:24.50 | danols | jhutchins: can you please clarify ? I'm still learning - I thought allow/deny dosen't ask for a password |
| 19:25.33 | jhutchins_lt | danols: True, but do you want to allow access from arbitrary IP's, or do you want to restrict access to known IPs/networks? |
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| 19:25.50 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: X --configure |
| 19:26.05 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: Might be a single dash. |
| 19:26.33 | danols | arbritary |
| 19:26.45 | danols | as sometimes we are on the go and want to showcase the current state of the site |
| 19:27.32 | jhutchins_lt | danols: Ok, then you don't need allow/deny, you are correct about using passwords. |
| 19:27.49 | jhutchins_lt | danols: You could probably do ssl certs, but that's more complicated. |
| 19:28.06 | danols | jhutchins: thanks - question since there are numerous vhosts if I setup mod_auth_basic on the main conf will it block all vhosts ? i.e. foo:80 foo:81 foo:82 .. |
| 19:28.13 | danols | or do I need to set it up in each vhost :( |
| 19:28.16 | danols | ? |
| 19:28.27 | danols | jhutchins: ssl is an over kill in this scenario :) |
| 19:28.41 | jhutchins_lt | danols: Probably overkill. |
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| 19:28.51 | jhutchins_lt | danols: Although it would encrypt the password. |
| 19:29.03 | danols | jhutchins: thanks - question since there are numerous vhosts if I setup mod_auth_basic on the main conf will it block all vhosts ? i.e. foo:80 foo:81 foo:82 .. |
| 19:29.34 | jhutchins_lt | danols: I'm afraid my auth fu is a bit rusty, I think you need to set it up for each site though. |
| 19:29.46 | danols | ouch |
| 19:29.49 | danols | k hope not |
| 19:29.53 | danols | i'll keep you posted |
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| 19:36.26 | rlfx | hi, how could it be, that when i restore iptables rules my ssh connetion just freez? :/ |
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| 19:37.56 | tdn | I really hope you can help me: After upgrading to squeeze, I get errors every time I try to SSH to my server from users in pgsql (libnss-pgsql). The error in the log is: sshd[28604]: pam_unix(sshd:account): account backup001 has expired (account expired) |
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| 19:38.21 | tdn | I think the problem is in PAM. It is PAM who gives the error, appearently. |
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| 19:40.26 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: The problem is that the account has expired. |
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| 19:40.48 | tdn | Oh. I forgot to mention. Of course, the account is not expired :) |
| 19:40.54 | tdn | *That* is what makes it strange. |
| 19:41.22 | tdn | But appearently PAM thinks so. However, it is not. And this happened right after upgrade to squeeze from lenny. |
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| 19:42.24 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: How do you know the account isn't expired? Is your system time/date correct? |
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| 19:46.15 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, because I use libnss-pgsql for these users, and I have hard-coded the return value for the query that asks for expiry. So that users in the database can never expire. |
| 19:46.40 | candleman | Can anyone suggest where to download images of Debian 4.0 'etch' they don't seem to be available on the servers any more? |
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| 19:47.29 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, I juse use these queries: shadowbyname = SELECT username, '*', 14551, 0, 99999, 7, 0, 0, '' FROM backupuser WHERE username = $1 AND enabled -- and -- shadow = SELECT username, '*', 14551, 0, 99999, 7, 0, 0, '' FROM backupuser WHERE enabled |
| 19:47.36 | danols | whoohoo |
| 19:47.42 | tdn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.50 | danols | auth_basic_file with directive <Location /> block all sites |
| 19:48.09 | danols | that is foo.com:80 foo.com:81 foo.com:82 ... |
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| 19:50.01 | rozie | candleman: you have packages on archives.debian.org |
| 19:50.08 | rozie | don't know what about installers |
| 19:50.28 | rozie | you can always try to install with debootstrap |
| 19:50.38 | jelly-home | tdn: you have been asleep for more than 99999 days! |
| 19:50.47 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, also, this file has *not* changed during the upgrade. |
| 19:50.51 | jelly-home | ... it's a reasonable theory |
| 19:51.30 | tdn | Since the file has not changed during the upgrade, it should have been a problem before the upgrade also. So this is not the cause. |
| 19:51.40 | tdn | jelly-home, heh. |
| 19:52.28 | stew | candleman: it begs the question of why you would want to install an old unsupported version of debian |
| 19:52.35 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: Obviously it THINKS the users have expired because it's reading the response differently. |
| 19:53.03 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Probably the usual "old hardware" idea. |
| 19:53.20 | candleman | rozie: Thanks, I downloaded the 4.0r8 netinstall disk this afternoon and having run it have a hybrid of 'etch' and 'lenny' |
| 19:53.22 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, old hardware? |
| 19:53.40 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, what do you mean? |
| 19:53.53 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, oh, misread a msg not for me. Sorry. |
| 19:53.53 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: Yeah, a lot of people think that old versions of Debian are better for old hardware, use less resources, etc. |
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| 19:54.44 | stew | candleman: anyway the cdimage.debian.org faq should tell you where to find old images |
| 19:55.22 | candleman | stew: I've got a specific piece of software to run that requires 'etch' |
| 19:55.26 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, what is reading the response differently? PAM? What has changed in PAM semantics that has made it read the response differently between lenny and squeeze? How do you suggest I fix this? |
| 19:55.41 | tdn | candleman, requires it? Have you tried it on lenny? |
| 19:55.45 | stew | candleman: why? |
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| 19:56.03 | stew | candleman: note that etch is unsupported and has lots of known security holes that nobody is fixing |
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| 19:56.30 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: I suggest you find out what changed. |
| 19:56.37 | tdn | candleman, maybe your software is just old and just not supported in Lenny, however, you are probably better off by having a single app not supported than an entire OS that is not supported. |
| 19:57.14 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, well, that was what I was hoping for help on. *I* have not changed anything -- part from upgrading to squeeze. |
| 19:57.18 | jhutchins_lt | candleman: Could you recompile the software to runn on lenny? |
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| 19:57.51 | candleman | tdn: stew: system won't be connected to the internet so not too concerned about security holes. |
| 19:58.19 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: Unfortunately you're using a moderately obscure login procedure, while most of us are going to be familiar with the default login, which works across the upgrade. |
| 19:58.44 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: So you're going to have to look at those portions of your system that are non-standard, and check the changelogs for those components. |
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| 19:59.15 | candleman | jhutchins_1t: afraid I don't have access to the source code |
| 19:59.19 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: It's possible you'd find something in the forums, they give you a larger user pool and a better chance of finding someone using your configuration. |
| 19:59.21 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, I think it is only lib-nsspgsql that is "non-standard" |
| 19:59.45 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: You're probably running different pam modules too. |
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| 20:00.01 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, where do I find changelogs for specific packages? |
| 20:00.05 | tdn | packages.debian.org? |
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| 20:00.34 | tdn | Oh. Found it. |
| 20:01.19 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: Do remember that changelogs lie. |
| 20:01.21 | stew | tdn: aptitude changelog packagename |
| 20:01.33 | tdn | stew, thanks. |
| 20:01.37 | stew | tdn: or its in /usr/share/doc/packagename |
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| 20:02.25 | tdn | Well... No changes to libnss-pgsql since 2007 |
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| 20:03.29 | tdn | Also, no changes since 2008 in pam-pgsql |
| 20:03.51 | wissem | hi all |
| 20:04.29 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: Something that happens and doesn't get logged is that they fix something so it actually works as documented, when it hadn't before. |
| 20:04.37 | wissem | i want to use network-admin-gnome to manage my network connections instead of the actual network manager in squeeze.how can i do that? |
| 20:05.06 | jhutchins_lt | wissem: The gnome applet is just a front end for "the actual network manager". |
| 20:05.16 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, ok? But that will result in a new version line in the change log atleast, right? |
| 20:05.36 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: In a perfect world, yes. |
| 20:05.50 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, in other words, the package version will be increased, right? Otherwise the update will not be installed? |
| 20:05.55 | stew | tdn: yes, it will, even in this imperfect world |
| 20:05.59 | stew | tdn: yes |
| 20:06.14 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: Yeah, should at least be a version bump. |
| 20:06.14 | tdn | stew, thanks. |
| 20:06.22 | stew | s/should/must/ |
| 20:06.38 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, well, that hasn't happened for any of the two for at least 2-3 years. |
| 20:07.04 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: Then it's another link in your chain, because you've eliminated those. |
| 20:07.06 | wissem | jhutchins, yes but i cant configure my connections using it ? |
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| 20:07.28 | jhutchins_lt | wissem: Then perhaps you have configured them somewhere else. |
| 20:07.29 | wissem | it says device not managed for my wireless device |
| 20:07.38 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, I am not sure what else it can be. Any ideas? |
| 20:07.43 | jhutchins_lt | wissem: This happens if you configure it in /etc/interfaces |
| 20:07.59 | stew | wissem: see /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian about what interfaces it will consider managing |
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| 20:08.25 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: Without knowing any more about your login process, I'd be twiddling the expiration settings. |
| 20:08.32 | wissem | okay thanks |
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| 20:11.12 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, http://paste.adora.dk/P1923.html <- This is contents of /etc/pam.d/common-* |
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| 20:12.46 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, [filename] indicates that below is contents of this particular file. |
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| 20:13.44 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: so where are you incorporating the database? |
| 20:14.42 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, /etc/nsswitch.conf : http://paste.adora.dk/P1924.txt |
| 20:16.10 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: Are you sure? That looks dead stock. |
| 20:16.18 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, DOH! Sorry. Wrong terminal. |
| 20:16.24 | tdn | Wrong computer :) |
| 20:16.31 | jhutchins_lt | <snort> |
| 20:16.43 | jhutchins_lt | Like that NEVER happens to me. |
| 20:16.55 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, hehe. This is the correct one: http://paste.adora.dk/P1925.txt |
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| 20:18.48 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: Where did you get your original configuration |
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| 20:19.12 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, my original configuration? |
| 20:19.47 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: For pgsql logins? |
| 20:20.37 | tdn | I used the default one distributed with Etch. I just added "[NOTFOUND=continue] pgsql" to passwd, group and shadow. |
| 20:21.00 | tdn | As according to the libnss-pgsql documentation. And is has worked until squeeze. |
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| 20:22.23 | stew | tdn: i'm not familiar with libnss-pgsql. but do you give them a query to run? or do they have a query they are going to run and you must make your schema match? |
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| 20:22.45 | jhutchins_lt | Any changelog notes for pgsql? |
| 20:22.53 | tdn | stew, I give them a query. |
| 20:22.54 | wieshka | i have LVM partition what is 100 Gb in size. also i have 100 Gb unallocated space. can i extend partition with no data lose? |
| 20:22.57 | tdn | stew, lots :) |
| 20:23.14 | tdn | stew, however PG works. I can run the queries by hand, and they return the expected result. |
| 20:23.16 | stew | tdn: can you run the query sucessfully? can you see what they are running? |
| 20:23.18 | stew | ok |
| 20:23.35 | pipeline | wieshka: yes |
| 20:23.50 | phaidros | can I change /usr/bin/python from 2.5 to 2.6 on lenny without any troubles? |
| 20:24.06 | pipeline | wieshka: create a new partition in the unallocated space. Run 'pvcreate' on the new partition. Extend the VG to the new PV with "vgextend'. |
| 20:24.13 | tdn | phaidros, that depends. Do you use any 2.5 specific python apps? |
| 20:24.19 | pipeline | wieshka: if the disk is presently in use, you may have to reboot to detect the new part after editing the partition table |
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| 20:24.37 | phaidros | tdn: not that I know of, I ask because I know some of the debian apps are python. |
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| 20:24.59 | phaidros | tdn: so, for debian system itself it doesn't matter to change the symlink |
| 20:25.00 | phaidros | ? |
| 20:25.09 | tdn | phaidros, ok. I am not sure. |
| 20:25.25 | phaidros | hm, I 'd loave to know fro msomeone for sure :D |
| 20:26.03 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: Try changing NOTFOUND to SUCCESS |
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| 20:26.14 | jhutchins_lt | ie SUCCESS=continue |
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| 20:27.31 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, really?! |
| 20:27.41 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, wont that just let everyone in? :) |
| 20:28.00 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: No. |
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| 20:28.25 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: It will check users found via compat against the pgsql query. |
| 20:28.53 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: However, while I can't point to the specific error, I suspect that the problem is with your query. |
| 20:29.15 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: The info I can find doesn't check account expiration against pgsql. |
| 20:29.25 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, I have just tried the queries. They return expected results. |
| 20:29.44 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: That doesn't mean they return WORKING results. |
| 20:29.46 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, did you see the two queries above? |
| 20:29.58 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: I don't do pgsql. |
| 20:30.15 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, ok, it returns a *static* value of 99999. |
| 20:30.29 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: Which means what, exactly? |
| 20:30.48 | stew | uh |
| 20:30.54 | stew | i just saw the actual error, " the log is: sshd[28604]: pam_unix(sshd:account): account backup001 has expired |
| 20:31.02 | stew | the error comes from pam_unix |
| 20:31.11 | stew | is it possible this has nothing to do with nss? |
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| 20:31.27 | jhutchins_lt | Yes. |
| 20:31.36 | stew | tdn: can we see your ssh pam config and common_account? |
| 20:31.39 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, 99999 days : days since Jan 1, 1970 when account will be disabled. |
| 20:31.49 | tdn | stew, sure. One moment. |
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| 20:32.00 | stew | 99 999 days = 273.788189 years |
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| 20:32.49 | tdn | stew, in other words. Not any day soon. :) |
| 20:33.01 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: thx |
| 20:33.01 | jhutchins_lt | Heh From a howto "be sure your pgsql.conf is correctly written". No details, suggestions or examples given. |
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| 20:33.22 | tdn | stew, here are the contents of every file in /etc/pam.d/*: http://paste.adora.dk/P1926.html --- [filename] indicate that contents of this file is below. |
| 20:33.31 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: As stew says, it doesn't look like it's even getting as far as pgsql. |
| 20:33.45 | stew | it could be |
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| 20:34.44 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: grep backup001 /etc/shadow |
| 20:34.49 | tdn | stew, it is possible, of course, yes. However, I only observe this problem on nss users. |
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| 20:34.54 | stew | ok |
| 20:35.19 | tdn | stew, so that was what got my eyes on nss/PG. |
| 20:35.21 | stew | tdn: where did 99999 come from? |
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| 20:35.43 | stew | tdn: from getent shadow? |
| 20:35.46 | tdn | stew, hard coded string. I don't care about expiry of these users, so I just return '99999' in the query. |
| 20:36.03 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: grep backup001 /etc/shadow |
| 20:36.16 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, it is not in the shadow file. |
| 20:36.27 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, it is in the database. :) |
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| 20:36.29 | stew | tdn: can you verify it in "getent shadow username" |
| 20:36.38 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: Howcome it's getting a return from pam_unix then? |
| 20:36.51 | tdn | backup001:*:14551:0:99999:7:0:0:0 |
| 20:37.20 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, not sure. |
| 20:37.57 | stew | tdn: maybe put make the 3rd one blank |
| 20:38.16 | stew | (NOT zero) |
| 20:38.16 | jhutchins_lt | So it IS in the shadow file. Expiration _looks_ correct. |
| 20:38.16 | jhutchins_lt | stew: have a look at your own entry. |
| 20:38.16 | stew | jhutchins_lt: what makes you think it is in the shadow file? |
| 20:38.26 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, no, it is *not* in /etc/shadow |
| 20:38.47 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, grep backup001 /etc/shadow returns zero lines. |
| 20:38.53 | stew | tdn: the third column has "An empty field means that password aging features are disabled" |
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| 20:39.02 | stew | (but zero is "already too old" |
| 20:39.15 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: Oh, that's the return from getent? |
| 20:39.20 | tdn | stew, hmm.. I will try. |
| 20:39.22 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, yes. |
| 20:39.26 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: I would like you to VERIFY that it's not in shadow. |
| 20:39.36 | stew | did he not do that already? |
| 20:39.53 | jhutchins_lt | I don't know. |
| 20:40.01 | cusco | hi |
| 20:40.01 | stew | 15:38 < tdn> jhutchins_lt, grep backup001 /etc/shadow returns zero lines. |
| 20:40.18 | cusco | what tool is there to generate me a crc 32 bit check sum? |
| 20:40.24 | cusco | I tried cksum |
| 20:40.28 | stew | tdn: oh |
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| 20:40.35 | stew | the last field of 0 is bad |
| 20:40.37 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.40 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:41.47 | jhutchins_lt | My last three fields are blank, not zero. |
| 20:42.07 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, stew: Ok. I will set them to '', ok? |
| 20:42.32 | stew | tdn: yeah, it shounds like the last could be a problem |
| 20:42.36 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: Sorry, mssed your reply above. |
| 20:43.10 | tdn | Can I set them all to ''? |
| 20:43.24 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: Just the last 3 I think. |
| 20:43.25 | tdn | Field 3..8? |
| 20:43.33 | stew | tdn: yes |
| 20:43.36 | stew | tdn: (man shadow) |
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| 20:44.43 | titanio | hello |
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| 20:45.42 | titanio | i've got a quick and dirty questions from me, a veteran Slackware user who never used Debian before, to you Debian Gurus... |
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| 20:46.32 | stew | titanio: just go ahead and ask |
| 20:46.59 | titanio | ...i've just installed Debian Lenny 5.0.7 from the CD1. After installing, i boot ok, log in as root, and did "apt-get install gcc" to install the compiler... |
| 20:47.23 | stew | titanio: you probably want: apt-get install build-essential |
| 20:47.36 | titanio | ...it installed ok, but now i try to install mysql and "apt-get install mysql" fails |
| 20:47.41 | Shadow` | fresh install, why not use aptitude instead of apt-get? |
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| 20:48.26 | stew | titanio: you want mysql-server or mysql-client or both |
| 20:48.52 | titanio | stew: both |
| 20:49.01 | stew | titanio: apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client |
| 20:49.07 | titanio | ahh so the names are those! |
| 20:49.19 | Shadow` | lol |
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| 20:50.01 | Shadow` | titanio, finding actual package names, helps if you use apt-cache search <keyword(s)> |
| 20:50.09 | djustice | what does debian use to store pkg database info? |
| 20:50.10 | djustice | sqlite? |
| 20:50.16 | djustice | homegrown? |
| 20:50.23 | stew | djustice: a flat file in a a rfc-822 like format |
| 20:50.25 | titanio | thank you very much, guys |
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| 20:50.37 | djustice | stew: thx |
| 20:50.47 | noms | Oh hey. I need to install libssl-dev, but the apt-get script is telling me there's an unmet dependancy, zlib-dev |
| 20:50.52 | noms | Any ideas what I need to do? |
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| 20:50.58 | stew | djustice: see (but don't touch!) /var/lib/dpkg/status for example |
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| 20:51.22 | stew | noms: show us the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy zlib-dev libssl-dev" |
| 20:51.29 | djustice | stew: ya, thxthx ;) |
| 20:51.31 | stew | noms: (in a pastebin such as paste.debian.net) |
| 20:51.31 | jhutchins_lt | titanio: You can find things with aptitude search mysql |
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| 20:52.15 | stew | though "apt-cache search -n ^mysql" would be much more manageable :) |
| 20:52.20 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions zlib-dev |
| 20:52.21 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'zlib-dev' was found in i386. |
| 20:52.25 | Shadow` | titanio, also, aptitude is in many ways easier/better to use then apt-get, keeps better track of installed packages, uninstall unused dependencies (cleans up), has more guidance if you do things wrong, has better suggested solutions when things might be incompatible |
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| 20:52.51 | titanio | ok, i'll use aptitude then |
| 20:52.54 | noms | stew, http://paste.debian.net/105566/ |
| 20:53.15 | stew | aptitude has better dependency resolution, but I don't know about the other stuff |
| 20:53.15 | Shadow` | just a suggestion :) |
| 20:53.18 | stew | better searching too |
| 20:53.23 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions libghc6-zlib-dev |
| 20:53.24 | judd | Package libghc6-zlib-dev on i386 -- sid: 0.5.2.0-4; squeeze: 0.5.2.0-4 |
| 20:53.30 | Shadow` | combines apt-get, apt-cache etc. into 1 too |
| 20:53.47 | titanio | Shadow`: a suggestion that sounds smart enough for me to follow :) |
| 20:53.55 | Shadow` | iirc, apt-get barely keeps track of what it does |
| 20:54.09 | stew | noms: i don't think you gave us the right error then. can you show us the exact apt-get command you ran with the output ? |
| 20:54.24 | stew | Shadow`: you are over-simplifying things |
| 20:54.32 | tdn | stew, changed to '' in the query, however, it gets returned as 0 when viewing it with getent shadow. |
| 20:54.32 | noms | The wrong zlib package, it was zlib1g-dev |
| 20:54.35 | noms | not just zlib-dev |
| 20:54.38 | noms | Sorry about that. |
| 20:55.01 | stew | noms: you need to add a "main" mirror. what country are you in? |
| 20:55.08 | tdn | stew, I expect this is because libnss-pgsql expects an integer? |
| 20:55.10 | noms | stew, United Kingdom. |
| 20:55.13 | Shadow` | oversimplifying what, thats basically what it does/differs doesnt it |
| 20:55.21 | noms | I already added a mirror which didn't seem to work. |
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| 20:55.29 | stew | noms: add "deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian lenny main" to /etc/apt/sources.list and ditch the cdrom line |
| 20:55.44 | stew | noms: "didn't work"? show us the error (or your sources.list) |
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| 20:56.00 | noms | i mean it worked, but didn't fix the problem. |
| 20:56.10 | noms | Anyway I'll try this. |
| 20:56.14 | stew | the volatile one, i assume |
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| 20:56.48 | stew | noms: (you have to run aptitude update or apt-get update whenever you change sources) |
| 20:58.47 | stew | tdn: then try 999999 for the 8th |
| 20:58.58 | stew | or 99999 whatever |
| 20:59.36 | noms | Hit a few 404's on the security.debian.org main/non-free Packages |
| 20:59.54 | noms | and the binary ones |
| 21:00.00 | titanio | ok, last question and i go back to my hole: how do i solve the dependencies problem when using "aptitude"? |
| 21:00.08 | noms | seemed to work though |
| 21:00.33 | noms | Ah yeah, it worked. |
| 21:00.36 | noms | Thanks a lot, stew. |
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| 21:01.36 | stew | titanio: when aptitude hits a depedency problem, it should propose a solution and say "Accept this solution? [Yn]" to which you say 'Y' to accept or "n" for "no, please find another solution" |
| 21:01.36 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: can you get it to return :::? |
| 21:02.01 | titanio | stew: thank you very much, kind sir |
| 21:02.05 | stew | titanio: you can also say "+somepackage" to say "not this solution, try a solution that includes installing somepacakge" |
| 21:02.07 | tdn | jhutchins_lt, nope. Even if the query returns '', getent returns 0:0:0 |
| 21:02.16 | tdn | stew, I will. |
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| 21:02.31 | titanio | bye, guys, you are really helpful in here... have a nice day! |
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| 21:02.32 | stew | titanio: (where "installing" means "installing or upgrading", and you can also say "-somepacakge" to mean "remove" |
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| 21:03.17 | tdn | stew, one moment. |
| 21:04.10 | tdn | stew, WORKS! Thanks! |
| 21:04.32 | stew | tdn: awesome. can you PLEASE file a bug about this! |
| 21:04.34 | noms | Next newbie question. |
| 21:04.38 | noms | How come iwconfig doesn't work? |
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| 21:04.47 | tdn | stew, I think this is a bug in libnss that has been there since 2007, however, it appearently just becomes shallow now, because something in PAM has changed semantics. |
| 21:05.11 | stew | tdn: i agree |
| 21:05.17 | stew | tdn: but I want the RMs to see this before release |
| 21:05.28 | tdn | stew, RMs? |
| 21:05.33 | stew | release managers |
| 21:05.45 | stew | the ones that decide "this bug needs to be fixed before a squeeze release" |
| 21:05.50 | tdn | Ok. Where to file the bug? Can I e-mail the maintainer of libnss-pgsql package? |
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| 21:06.13 | jhutchins_lt | !bts |
| 21:06.13 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 21:06.15 | stew | tdn: run "reportbug libnss-pgsql" on a machine that can send outgoing mail to submit@bugs.debian.org |
| 21:06.25 | tdn | stew, ok. |
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| 21:07.23 | djustice | anybody know offhand in which source tar python's cmake data is kept? |
| 21:07.24 | stew | tdn: to verify, this would happen with someone upgrading from lenny with a config which is default / recommend in the docs? |
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| 21:08.49 | tdn | stew, yes. I have one more server actually. It has been installed by another operator than me, however it is still on lenny as it is in production right now. So I am glad that I saw this bug on a test server before squeeze was actually released. It would have been a mess. |
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| 21:09.06 | jhutchins_lt | Yay testing! |
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| 21:10.16 | noms | stew, Is there any way to get certain packages that are required onto, say, a pen drive, to install onto a machine that has no internet access? |
| 21:10.34 | tdn | noms, apt-get install --download-only |
| 21:10.39 | jhutchins_lt | !apt-offline |
| 21:10.40 | tdn | noms, this will give you all the .debs. |
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| 21:11.03 | stew | noms: you can run "apt-get --print-uris install foo" on the non-connected machine to get a list of urls to download on the connected machine |
| 21:11.20 | stew | noms: or there is apt-zip which uses the above to write a script to run on a connected machine |
| 21:11.41 | jhutchins_lt | !apt offline |
| 21:11.41 | dpkg | To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read http://batmat.net/apt-offline/ch3.html Ask me about <apt-zip><apt-walkabout>. |
| 21:11.47 | noms | Well I'm not too linux friendly... so I wouldn't know how to do that. |
| 21:11.59 | stew | noms: how to do what? |
| 21:12.06 | noms | Anything? :P |
| 21:12.24 | noms | Before today the most I knew about linux was running commands through SSH. |
| 21:12.30 | noms | On my webserver. |
| 21:12.34 | karlpinc | noms: That's why you ask here. |
| 21:12.41 | max_sharpe | Hmmm. |
| 21:12.47 | stew | you should either be asking more or less questions then |
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| 21:13.46 | noms | stew, I need libssl-dev and zlibg1-dev on a machine that has no internet access. |
| 21:13.55 | noms | what do? |
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| 21:15.05 | karlpinc | noms: What he said: apt-get --print-uris install libssl-dev zlibg1-dev |
| 21:15.43 | stew | noms: ^^^ that will get you a list of urls. on a machine with internet, run "wget http://ftp.uk.debian.org...." on each to download the packages |
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| 21:16.08 | stew | or use your favorite web browser... |
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| 21:16.35 | karlpinc | noms: That will give you urls from which you can use your web browser to download the .debs files, then you can put them on something and copy them to the offline machine. Then you "dpkg install foo", downloaded files. See "foo" below. |
| 21:16.41 | karlpinc | !tell noms about foo |
| 21:16.44 | tlchack5 | I have debian installed in a virtual machine for practice and whenever I run aptitude for any reason it will give a segmentation faulty tree error at 50%.... any ideas how to resolve this? |
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| 21:16.51 | noms | It wont tell me the urls because the packages are already on the host machine. |
| 21:16.56 | karlpinc | noms: You replace "foo" with whatever. |
| 21:17.03 | noms | I know about foo. |
| 21:17.04 | noms | :P |
| 21:17.18 | karlpinc | noms: Ok, then do the dpkg install part. |
| 21:17.30 | stew | noms: if they are already on the machine, you don't have to do anything |
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| 21:17.42 | cnt | hello |
| 21:17.44 | noms | They're on this machine, not the machine I want them on. |
| 21:17.45 | stew | noms: if they are already installed, i don't know what the problem is |
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| 21:17.53 | stew | noms: you run that on the machine you want them on |
| 21:17.57 | noms | okay. |
| 21:18.11 | karlpinc | noms: You don't know how to copy files between machines? |
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| 21:18.48 | karlpinc | tlchack5: Dunno. Is the disk full or something? |
| 21:18.49 | noms | On linux? Probably not. |
| 21:19.52 | tlchack5 | karlpinc no its not |
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| 21:20.31 | karlpinc | noms: You need to mount your removable media. Depending on what you've installed, this happens for you automatically. Otherwise you use the mount command to mount, cp to copy, and unmount to unmount. |
| 21:20.40 | karlpinc | !tell noms about mount |
| 21:20.53 | noms | Assume I want to transfer from a Windows machine. |
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| 21:21.51 | karlpinc | noms: I believe you want the debian reference manual, |
| 21:21.53 | noms | Alright I'm putting a fresh copy of debian on this laptop now. |
| 21:22.05 | karlpinc | noms: It has examples of mountingand copying. |
| 21:22.27 | karlpinc | !tell noms about cp |
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| 21:23.02 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 21:25.17 | lahwran | how does apt manage versioning? somehow it has to know when there is a newer version available, right? but the version strings are not often simple floating point values, there are usually multiple dots, yes? so then .. how does it decide which is newer? |
| 21:25.46 | stew | lahwran: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version |
| 21:25.53 | karlpinc | lahwran: I believe I saw this explained in the debian policy. |
| 21:26.16 | lahwran | stew: thanks |
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| 21:27.16 | tlchack5 | I would like the server I have set up to have a background color of dark green and a foreground color of light green. How can I accomplish this? |
| 21:27.38 | xyan | smells fish |
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| 21:28.44 | Pumba | tlchack5: go to paint shop, buy brush and dark green paint and light green paint. Apply dark green paint and wait for it to dry. Repeat if necessary. Apply light green paint. |
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| 21:29.14 | catsup | or spray paint to ensure more consistent results |
| 21:29.52 | tlchack5 | pumba: thanks for the advice. smartass. lol |
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| 21:30.08 | Pumba | tlchack5: you're welcome |
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| 21:30.43 | cahoot | tlchack5: the bash prompt howto might be of use |
| 21:30.45 | Pumba | as soon as I get more information as to what is being used on software side, there might be a little more helpful comments here |
| 21:31.24 | stew | tlchack5: use setterm |
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| 21:31.59 | tdn | stew, can I submit this? http://paste.adora.dk/P1927.html Should I add anything? |
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| 21:32.57 | stew | tdn: are you still in reportbug? exiting the editor should prompt you to send it |
| 21:33.15 | stew | tdn: wait |
| 21:33.47 | stew | oh, nm, i thought you had the version number wrong, you didn't |
| 21:33.48 | tdn | stew, yeah, I am still in reportbug. I just wanted to hear if you have anything to add, before quitting vim and submitting ) |
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| 21:33.58 | stew | tdn: no, this looks great |
| 21:34.03 | tdn | stew, ok. |
| 21:34.09 | karlpinc | tdn: Your paste does not seem to have any "lines in the log"? |
| 21:34.24 | stew | oh, yeah :) |
| 21:34.40 | tntcoda | Hi I have a PXE server for installing debian with preseed files, it works but the preseed is never fetched, i.e it never connects to the HTTP server to get it. My PXE config looks like this: http://pastebin.com/kCYLqaKt anyone have any ideas why it wouldnt fetch the preseed? It's in a vmware VM if that matters |
| 21:35.01 | stew | tdn: when you submit you should get back (after perhaps 30 minutes) a response with a bug number, please let me know the bug number |
| 21:35.07 | tdn | stew, sent :) |
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| 21:35.24 | tdn | karlpinc, DOH! You're right. I will have to add them. |
| 21:35.43 | karlpinc | tdn: You can send another mail to the bug system when you get the number. |
| 21:35.55 | stew | tdn: when you get this reply with the bug nuber, you can send additional info to the bug by emailing "12345@bugs.debian.org" (where 12345 is the bug number) |
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| 21:36.02 | tdn | stew, I just received a mail. Think it is just BCC of my report. |
| 21:36.14 | tdn | stew, yeah, I will. |
| 21:36.32 | tdn | stew, will I get that automatically or does it require human input? |
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| 21:37.36 | tdn | stew, I am going to bed in a minute, but if you want, I can mail you the bug number when I receive it if you're not online. You can just PM me your address. |
| 21:37.57 | karlpinc | tdn: It's automatic. |
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| 21:38.24 | karlpinc | tdn: It happens fast. They just say half an hour. |
| 21:38.26 | stew | tdn: stew@debian.org |
| 21:38.36 | tdn | stew, ok. |
| 21:38.37 | tdn | karlpinc, ok. |
| 21:38.45 | tdn | I'll just wait for it then. |
| 21:38.48 | tdn | Not here yet though. |
| 21:38.58 | stew | i'll just subscribe to the package, don't worry about it |
| 21:39.11 | tdn | (host bugs-master.debian.org[140.211.15.34] said: 451 Greylisted, see http://postgrey.schweikert.ch/help/bugs.debian.org.html (in reply to RCPT TO command)) |
| 21:39.26 | karlpinc | !curse spammers |
| 21:39.26 | dpkg | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, spammers! |
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| 21:39.55 | karlpinc | tdn: Anti-spam is delaying things.... |
| 21:40.19 | tdn | karlpinc, yeah. It does not say for how long. |
| 21:40.57 | karlpinc | tdn: Your email server must retry, after a sane delay like 5 min, and that's up to what your server does. |
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| 21:41.26 | tdn | Ok. |
| 21:41.45 | karlpinc | tdn: The rfc has a minimum retry time, but most greylisting lets things come back sooner, so long as it's not too soon. |
| 21:41.51 | stew | so now it will be a race between the greylisting on my side holding up the subscribe to the package email with his report the bug i want to know about email :) |
| 21:42.09 | tdn | karlpinc, ok. |
| 21:42.34 | tdn | stew, hehe. |
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| 21:45.01 | jeremym | what package holds the lpq command? |
| 21:46.10 | jeremym | i have cups installed but when i type lpq it does not find it |
| 21:46.11 | tdn | llpr |
| 21:46.14 | tdn | jeremym, lpr |
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| 21:46.37 | karlpinc | !tell jeremym about apt-file |
| 21:47.09 | jeremym | ah thank you for that..i was looking for something like yum provides |
| 21:47.13 | jeremym | thats perfect thanks :) |
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| 21:49.07 | karlpinc | jeremym: See also the <search> factoid. |
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| 21:51.05 | tdn | stew, received bug number Bug#611019: Acknowledgement (libnss-pgsql2: Does not correctly handle empty string in query result) |
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| 21:51.13 | tdn | It got catched in my spam filter. |
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| 21:54.24 | tdn | stew, jhutchins_lt: goodnight. Thanks for your help. |
| 21:55.02 | tdn | stew, one thing: you mentioned that you wanted RMs to see this bug. Should I do anything to notify those? Or will they see it automatically? |
| 21:55.08 | jhutchins_lt | tdn: Glad you got it worked out. |
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| 21:55.44 | stew | tdn: i'm going to mention it to them, thats why I wanted the bug number, thanks :) |
| 21:56.11 | stew | tdn: i'll wait a few hours and see if a maintainer responds first though |
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| 21:56.51 | tdn | stew, ok. |
| 21:57.16 | tdn | stew, will I get updates on the bug via mail automatically? |
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| 21:57.30 | stew | tdn: yes |
| 21:57.44 | tdn | Cool. |
| 21:57.52 | tdn | Bye |
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| 21:58.33 | amoe | HI all |
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| 21:58.59 | noms | stew, the print uri command won't work on the offline machine |
| 21:59.06 | noms | it gives |
| 21:59.13 | noms | E: Couldn't find package libssl-dev |
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| 22:00.27 | amoe | I use unstable; can I install packages from stable? (and prevent them from being upgraded to the unstable or testing version) |
| 22:00.36 | amoe | Is apt pinning the recommended way to do this? |
| 22:00.48 | amoe | As I also saw aptitude hold exists. |
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| 22:01.08 | amoe | Any dangers I should know about? |
| 22:02.01 | noms | Could anyone just get me the URL of the .debs to download so that I can transfer them to my offline machine, for libssl-dev and zlibg1-dev? |
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| 22:02.52 | karlpinc | noms: I thought you said you had the .debs downloaded already. |
| 22:03.04 | noms | Nope. |
| 22:03.33 | noms | I can figure out how to change them over no problem I think, but I just need the URL for the packages. |
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| 22:06.17 | amoe | Ideally I would like to say "aptitude -t stable install thatpackage" |
| 22:06.38 | amoe | And that would install stable 'thatpackage', but aptitude by default would install from sid |
| 22:10.05 | Jarvis | amoe: yes , pinning would be the best way to do it, just pin the package at a sufficient level so that it wont get upgraded from anything other than stable |
| 22:10.26 | Jarvis | or hold it to just prevent it from being upgraded at all |
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| 22:10.32 | Jarvis | (unless forced) |
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| 22:11.54 | amoe | Jarvis: cheers :) |
| 22:12.26 | noms | Okay I have the .deb files |
| 22:13.22 | djustice | he's got em!! |
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| 22:14.39 | noms | Give me 4 million USD unmarked bills or the .debs get it. |
| 22:14.56 | noms | Alternatively, tell me how to use dpkg with them. |
| 22:14.59 | noms | :3 |
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| 22:16.51 | karlpinc | noms: We did already. You're not paying attention. dpkg -i foo |
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| 22:17.49 | noms | Ah, I did it wrong. |
| 22:17.50 | noms | Thanks. |
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| 22:19.47 | noms | Oh jesus christ. |
| 22:19.51 | noms | The amount of dependancies.. |
| 22:20.36 | karlpinc | noms: That's why stew told you to run a command on the target box first to list everything needed. |
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| 22:21.45 | noms | sighs |
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| 22:22.43 | noms | karlpinc, "Couldn't find package libssl-dev" |
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| 22:24.35 | noms | Is there a command to list the dependencies and the dependencies of those dependencies that aren't already installed for a specific package? |
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| 22:27.18 | simonrvn | easy way or hard way? |
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| 22:29.24 | simonrvn | dpkg -f foo.deb | grep Depends |
| 22:29.24 | dpkg | simonrvn: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 22:29.39 | simonrvn | noms: ^^ |
| 22:30.05 | simonrvn | noms: or apt-cache depends / rdepends packagename |
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| 22:33.08 | noms | This'll just be easier If I can get an effin program to run this USB Mobile Broadband Dongle |
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| 22:36.57 | shingouz | noms: usually dial ATDT*99***1# on the correct /dev/ttyUSB. if you do not like to do anything serious, try wvdial for a start |
| 22:37.24 | ardian | Hi I want to download the last live version of debian squeeze |
| 22:37.49 | ardian | Is this link right ? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_live_rc1/i386/iso-hybrid/ |
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| 22:39.13 | Canar | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 22:39.15 | noms | shingouz, I dunno how to install the USB dongle as a Modem. |
| 22:39.17 | Canar | that's probably more current ardian |
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| 22:40.01 | ardian | Cadavre, I think that's lanny ? |
| 22:40.07 | ardian | Canar, |
| 22:40.12 | shingouz | noms: check dmesg if you have the usbserial there first. |
| 22:40.26 | ardian | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/iso-cd/debian-live-508-i386-kde-desktop.iso.log |
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| 22:40.36 | Canar | mm, yea, you're right |
| 22:40.42 | noms | Argh. |
| 22:41.00 | shingouz | noms: argh? did you cut yourself? |
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| 22:41.40 | noms | There should be some software for this. |
| 22:41.45 | noms | It's a Vodafone USB Dongle Modem. |
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| 22:41.55 | noms | But the damn linux page on the site is confusing the hell out of me. |
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| 22:42.45 | shingouz | noms: stop looking at the linux page on their website then. plug the dongle in, wait a little for the system to do the magic and check what dmesg says |
| 22:43.12 | noms | What is dmesg? I Can't disconnect it from this computer without losing connectivity. |
| 22:43.36 | shingouz | noms: are you on the debian box now? |
| 22:43.50 | noms | Right now I'm on my main desktop. |
| 22:43.53 | noms | Teh debian box is next to me. |
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| 22:44.52 | shingouz | noms: can you install wvdial on the debian box? |
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| 22:46.18 | noms | brb. |
| 22:47.20 | babilen | noms: Most usb dongle whatevers work like a charm with network-manager |
| 22:47.55 | shingouz | noms: your huawei should use option and usbserial and *should* give you /dev/ttyUSB0 as the correct device. use *99***1# as the phone number to dial to |
| 22:47.56 | babilen | noms: If you use n-m |
| 22:48.08 | rawtaz | which one is recommended to use for storing temp files; /tmp (mapped to an LV) or /var/tmp (resides in the /var LV)? |
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| 22:49.26 | GJdan | http://dpaste.org/x1yV/ should I do it? >.> |
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| 22:51.30 | daemonkeeper | How did you break dpkg? |
| 22:51.43 | daemonkeeper | I mean, how could you? ;) |
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| 22:51.59 | dkr | dp<br>kg |
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| 22:56.19 | babilen | GJdan: no! What are you trying to do? |
| 22:56.49 | GJdan | haha, trying to find a way to get a working driver for my radeonhd rv770 graphics card |
| 22:57.22 | GJdan | babilen: btw, aptitude install fglrx-driver has a simular deal |
| 22:57.43 | daemonkeeper | Yes, you completely messed up your system |
| 22:57.45 | babilen | GJdan: You should never ever mix stable with testing or unstable |
| 22:57.52 | shingouz | ...most of the screwups seem to be with the unneeded xservers.... you only need one there |
| 22:58.05 | GJdan | I haven't touched xserver yet |
| 22:58.33 | babilen | GJdan: Have you installed any packages from unstable yet? |
| 22:58.37 | GJdan | though I suppose my brother may have when he tried to fix it awhile back |
| 22:58.41 | GJdan | hmm one sec |
| 22:58.48 | streuner_ | GJdan: please show us your sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 22:59.57 | GJdan | I have installed a handful of packages from backports |
| 23:00.02 | GJdan | from when I tried to get sound working |
| 23:00.18 | daemonkeeper | BAckports is a different thing. |
| 23:00.21 | daemonkeeper | Those are ok |
| 23:00.58 | daemonkeeper | But you should be scared about aptitude listening your dpkg as broken. |
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| 23:01.40 | GJdan | hmm |
| 23:02.05 | GJdan | it blames emacs for that later down |
| 23:02.16 | daemonkeeper | Which version of dpkg do you have installed? |
| 23:02.26 | jordanm | streuner_: I would always ask for apt-cache policy these days, with /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
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| 23:02.42 | daemonkeeper | And follow streuner_'s advise and poste your sources.list, or apt-cache policy as jordanm says |
| 23:02.45 | jordanm | s/with/because of/ |
| 23:03.07 | GJdan | looks like I have 1.14.31 |
| 23:03.11 | jordanm | ,versions dpkg |
| 23:03.14 | judd | Package dpkg on i386 -- etch: 1.13.26; lenny: 1.14.31; lenny-security: 1.14.31; sid: 1.15.8.8; squeeze: 1.15.8.8 |
| 23:03.49 | GJdan | I could be wrong, I just did aptitude show >.> I'm not sure how to check |
| 23:04.04 | daemonkeeper | As you can see, this matches best. |
| 23:04.09 | daemonkeeper | For your Lenny |
| 23:04.46 | GJdan | http://dpaste.org/Vq25/ < sources.list |
| 23:05.17 | daemonkeeper | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.27 | streuner_ | dpkg, bobbitt |
| 23:05.27 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Lenny, Squeeze, and any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
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| 23:05.44 | jordanm | GJdan: apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg apt |
| 23:05.51 | babilen | GJdan: Before you remove the sid line in there (you have to do it) I would ask you to run a little script, which will count the number of packages from each release |
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| 23:07.45 | GJdan | jordanm: run both those commands? |
| 23:07.52 | GJdan | babilen: ok |
| 23:08.00 | jordanm | GJdan: yes, and pastebin them |
| 23:10.10 | GJdan | http://dpaste.org/XhOS/ < both apt-cache policy's |
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| 23:10.53 | babilen | GJdan: http://paste.debian.net/105586/ (Save and execute that) -- I actually use it as bash functions |
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| 23:11.19 | daemonkeeper | You are lucky, as you didn't upgrade your libc6 yet ... |
| 23:11.32 | streuner_ | judd, versions libc6 |
| 23:11.34 | judd | Package libc6 on i386 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze-security: 2.11.2-6+squeeze1; sid: 2.11.2-9; squeeze: 2.11.2-9 |
| 23:11.42 | noms | Failure is failure. |
| 23:11.53 | babilen | noms: it's not that bad yet |
| 23:12.09 | GJdan | babilen: I'm really not too sure how to do that, just save it in my current folder as some name then type the name as a command? |
| 23:12.39 | daemonkeeper | Do "sh filename" or "chmid a+x filename; ./filename" |
| 23:12.44 | daemonkeeper | *chmod |
| 23:12.46 | noms | babilen, I was referring to my attempt at getting my mobile broadband dongle to work on my laptop. |
| 23:12.49 | noms | I failed. |
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| 23:13.19 | babilen | GJdan: Save the script i pasted to a textfile (name it, e.g. show_release_package_count) and execute it with "bash show_release_package_count) |
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| 23:13.30 | GJdan | ok |
| 23:14.06 | babilen | noms: As I said, n-m configures those dongles in a second. I wouldn't normally recommend n-m, but for those dongles it just works⢠|
| 23:14.30 | babilen | GJdan: the last ) should have been " ;) |
| 23:14.58 | GJdan | lenny: 1054 |
| 23:14.58 | GJdan | lenny-backports: 1 |
| 23:14.58 | GJdan | squeeze: 0 |
| 23:14.58 | GJdan | sid: 67 |
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| 23:15.14 | GJdan | kicked >.< |
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| 23:15.24 | daemonkeeper | Yeah, use a paste bin |
| 23:15.27 | GJdan | heh ya |
| 23:15.28 | babilen | welcome back -- you were autokicked (don't paste in here) |
| 23:15.28 | noms | babilen, Well, I gave up and I'm installing Windows 7 Starter on it now. :3 |
| 23:15.36 | GJdan | aye, I learned that now |
| 23:15.42 | babilen | noms: on the dongle? |
| 23:15.44 | rawtaz | can someone recommend an NTP or SNTP client to use with squeeze? i need my machine to keep time :) |
| 23:16.04 | GJdan | http://dpaste.org/HHEe/ |
| 23:16.04 | noms | babilen, No, on the laptop. |
| 23:16.13 | streuner_ | rawtaz: a normal router do that auto |
| 23:16.54 | streuner_ | but, anyway |
| 23:16.57 | streuner_ | ntpdate |
| 23:16.59 | rawtaz | streuner_: well my clock is currently at :27 and its :16. is there a setting to enable or something to have it update the time? |
| 23:17.03 | streuner_ | dpkg, info ntpdate |
| 23:17.03 | babilen | noms: ok, hope you are happy with it. |
| 23:17.06 | rawtaz | its not a router per se, just a normal server |
| 23:17.11 | rawtaz | streuner_: ah, thanks |
| 23:17.20 | Bushmills | rdate, ntpclient or - best - ntp |
| 23:17.28 | noms | babilen, doubt it, but it's for my grandma, so meh. |
| 23:17.35 | dpkg | ntpdate: (client for setting system time from NTP servers), section net, is optional. Version: 1:4.2.6.p2+dfsg-1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 72 kB, Installed size: 260 kB |
| 23:17.48 | streuner_ | !set time |
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| 23:17.48 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior. |
| 23:18.02 | rawtaz | it seems ntpdate is deprecated |
| 23:18.05 | rawtaz | ntp it is :) |
| 23:18.41 | Bushmills | ntp preferred over openntpd or chrony |
| 23:18.55 | streuner_ | rawtaz: yeah, i still use ntpdate, but it seems there was a change, just read <ntp> |
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| 23:19.09 | babilen | GJdan: Ok, thank you. You have 67 packages from sid installed. Could you remove the last line from that file, run "source show_release_package_count" and then "list_repositories|grep sid" please? |
| 23:19.46 | babilen | GJdan: Ah, and paste the result of the last command. |
| 23:20.43 | GJdan | remove the last line of show_release_package_count? |
| 23:21.31 | GJdan | babilen? |
| 23:21.53 | babilen | GJdan: Edit the file, remove the last line (show_release_package_count), save it .. follow rest of the instructions |
| 23:23.37 | babilen | I want you to execute one of the functions in there. If you are not sure what I mean with "remove the last line" you can just run "source show_release_package_count" (that will, however execute the script again) and then "list_repositories|grep sid" |
| 23:24.00 | rawtaz | ntp looks great. installed, already configured, just started kickin' :-) |
| 23:24.27 | GJdan | babilen: http://dpaste.org/t4xI/ |
| 23:24.44 | GJdan | babilen: no I get it, I did it |
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| 23:25.16 | flypiper | I want to run my new laptop as root... how can I get the message "running as root could damage your box" to not run? |
| 23:25.43 | daemonkeeper | Doesn't look too bad, perl will be a bit a pain. |
| 23:25.44 | peterrooney | flypiper: log into X as a standard user. |
| 23:26.01 | flypiper | peterrooney, I don't want to |
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| 23:26.36 | babilen | GJdan: Hmm, well. Apart from some false-positives, that does not look good. (And not that bad as well) |
| 23:27.12 | babilen | GJdan: Ok, remove the sid line from your sources.list and run "aptitude update" |
| 23:27.18 | flypiper | peterrooney, Thanks, I thought someone might have the solution |
| 23:27.20 | streuner_ | babilen: the sources.list looks like a total mess :-) |
| 23:27.32 | babilen | yeah, I agree ... so what to do? |
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| 23:27.50 | daemonkeeper | Downgrading perl will be a bit complicated |
| 23:27.58 | streuner_ | backup important data and reinstall? |
| 23:28.06 | babilen | daemonkeeper: exactly my thought |
| 23:28.06 | stew | daemonkeeper: why? |
| 23:28.15 | daemonkeeper | Perl is a essential package |
| 23:28.24 | daemonkeeper | And parts of dpkg depend on it |
| 23:28.30 | streuner_ | yep, Perl is a headache to downgrade |
| 23:28.41 | stew | perl-base is, but why is it a headache to downgrade |
| 23:28.43 | GJdan | babilen: ok done |
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| 23:29.18 | daemonkeeper | Well, try what babilen said. We'll see if you run into serious troubles. |
| 23:29.25 | daemonkeeper | Or if stew is right ;) |
| 23:29.36 | stew | right about what? |
| 23:29.42 | streuner_ | stew: he could just do what babilen recommended, its my thought too, if its fails, i would reinstall |
| 23:29.54 | streuner_ | its worse a try |
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| 23:29.57 | daemonkeeper | stew: That downgrading perl won't be such a problem |
| 23:30.10 | stew | i never said that |
| 23:30.11 | babilen | Hmm, I am considering to advocate an upgrade to squeeze and a downgrade (pin 1001) from sidâsqueeze .... but it might work with pinning lenny to 1001 and downgrading everyhting ... not sure if that won't break everyhting though |
| 23:30.15 | stew | you said it would be, and I asked why |
| 23:30.28 | babilen | Huh, uh? What did I recommend? |
| 23:30.35 | stew | i don't know, but I don't see what the problem would be. his dpkg should be the lenny version which would work with the older version |
| 23:30.48 | streuner_ | remove the sid line and apt-get update |
| 23:31.05 | babilen | streuner_: That won't change the installed packages. |
| 23:31.06 | stew | we know what that does, but it doesn't really change anything |
| 23:31.11 | streuner_ | he has already libc6 out of squeeze/sid |
| 23:31.24 | daemonkeeper | No, libc6 was from lenny |
| 23:31.46 | streuner_ | ok, i misread his libc6 paste then |
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| 23:32.03 | stew | streuner_: you've tried downgrading perl before? |
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| 23:32.08 | babilen | yeah, that is why i wanted the list of sid packages (with, i admit, some false positives) |
| 23:32.29 | streuner_ | stew: sure, it never worked, IIRC |
| 23:32.35 | babilen | GJdan: One second :) |
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| 23:33.49 | babilen | so, what to advocate? |
| 23:34.06 | streuner_ | what you said before... |
| 23:34.16 | stew | lets just pretend he did that |
| 23:34.17 | daemonkeeper | Actually, apparently noone here exactly knows what will happen. So I'd advise to backup important data and then just go on with "aptitude upgrade" by try & error |
| 23:34.19 | stew | since it doesn't really do anything |
| 23:34.24 | GJdan | babilen: hmm, so the updated radeonhd itself was from sid >.> |
| 23:34.31 | stew | upgrade won't downgrade unless you pin |
| 23:34.53 | stew | babilen: where did this list come from? apt-show-versions? |
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| 23:35.23 | babilen | GJdan: getting your card to work is a different thing, but we might want to consider that. Could you run "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" and paste the line in here please? |
| 23:35.58 | GJdan | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RV770 [Radeon HD 4850] [1002:9442] |
| 23:36.19 | babilen | stew: Some script -- adapted from themill's list repository "one-liner" -- http://paste.debian.net/105586/ -- and grepped for "sid" (which causes some false positives) |
| 23:36.38 | stew | ah |
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| 23:37.09 | babilen | stew: apt-show-version would have worked as well :-\ |
| 23:37.27 | stew | except for things that are not currently available from any repository? |
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| 23:37.50 | zulax | in my reverse zone in bind, should i use 0.168.192 or 1.168.192? my router is at 192.168.1.1 |
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| 23:38.09 | daemonkeeper | Wait, http://dpaste.org/XhOS/ here libc6 is 2.11.2-7. this isn't lenny's, this is an obsolete sid version. |
| 23:38.31 | streuner_ | daemonkeeper: yeah |
| 23:38.44 | daemonkeeper | So he actually _has_ unstable's libc6 |
| 23:38.50 | streuner_ | daemonkeeper: thats why i judd, version it... |
| 23:38.51 | daemonkeeper | Just an older one |
| 23:38.58 | streuner_ | true -2 |
| 23:39.07 | babilen | stew: I'll investigate that later. apt-show-versions might actually be a better option, but those functions in my bash config ... well ... grew on me |
| 23:39.25 | babilen | ,pciid 1002:9442 |
| 23:39.27 | judd | [1002:9442] is 'RV770 [Radeon HD 4850]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel module 'ati-agp' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9442 http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx' module. |
| 23:39.32 | daemonkeeper | Sorry, you were right streuner_. I just missed that, since it wasn't the most recent one. |
| 23:39.53 | daemonkeeper | But *that* makes the downgrade much more complicated, if possible at all |
| 23:40.36 | stew | why is downgrading libc6 more complicated? |
| 23:40.46 | streuner_ | some people told me, its possible, but it need plenty of time and knowledge... |
| 23:41.05 | streuner_ | its much easer to just reinstall |
| 23:41.10 | streuner_ | easier* |
| 23:41.30 | daemonkeeper | Chances are this will break random binaries still from unstable stew, e.g. perl while invoked by a dpkg process. |
| 23:42.01 | stew | daemonkeeper: the processes that are already running will continue to run |
| 23:42.20 | stew | daemonkeeper: this would break for things that don't properly declare a dependency? or what? |
| 23:42.32 | daemonkeeper | no, ABI compatibility |
| 23:42.37 | stew | what about it? |
| 23:42.44 | streuner_ | stew: the question is another... |
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| 23:43.58 | streuner_ | Are you willing to spent hours to help to downgrade? |
| 23:44.06 | stew | daemonkeeper: if you could get all the packages depending on the new libc6 downgraded to versions needing the old at the same time, I don't see what the problem is |
| 23:44.11 | streuner_ | good luck then |
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| 23:44.25 | stew | if there is one, I'm curious about it |
| 23:44.57 | streuner_ | or we write a new factoid about <downgrade>... |
| 23:45.18 | babilen | Hei, anybody knows which radeon version is needed for GJdan's RV770 card? Given that this started the whole "lets install something from sid" thing, we mght want to focus to make the best decision for GJdan . I am still thinking about advocating upgrading the rest of the system to squeeze, then pinning squeeze to 1001 to downgrade the few sid packages |
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| 23:45.23 | babilen | What do you think? |
| 23:45.43 | GJdan | babilen: support for rv770 was added in radeonhd 1.2.2 |
| 23:45.45 | streuner_ | dpkg, listvals rv770 |
| 23:45.47 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'rv770' by value (1): rv770. |
| 23:45.52 | stew | judd: xorg 1002:9442 |
| 23:45.52 | streuner_ | dpkg, rv770 |
| 23:45.52 | dpkg | RV770 is the foundation chip for the Radeon R700 graphics processing unit series. Ask me about <radeonhd>, <radeon>, <fglrx> for device support. |
| 23:45.56 | judd | Device 1002:9442 is not matched by any xorg drivers in lenny or sid. |
| 23:46.05 | stew | (the sid part there might be bogus) |
| 23:46.09 | babilen | GJdan: radeonhd has been deprecated |
| 23:46.27 | daemonkeeper | stew: If you can. Think of maintainer scripts, debconf or other invokations of potential binaries that require an ABI compatible libc6. This is hard to predict, but chances are, this will f*** up the system entirely (well, more than even now) |
| 23:46.49 | babilen | stew: so, no drivers in sid as well? |
| 23:46.59 | stew | babilen: no, don't believe that part |
| 23:47.16 | stew | babilen: aparantly judd's output there can't be trusted other than for lenny |
| 23:47.23 | stew | i don' tknow I'm not in control of the bot anymore |
| 23:47.44 | babilen | ah, ok. So, GJdan basically *has* to upgrade to squeeze in order to get the card working. |
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| 23:48.46 | streuner_ | well, in that case, the problem resolved itself :-) |
| 23:49.23 | daemonkeeper | stew: Especially since he has perl from unstable, there is a certain degree of probability he would need the newer libc6 while downgrading. |
| 23:49.29 | babilen | Ok, I'm out for a smoke and a sip of beer. |
| 23:49.49 | streuner_ | babilen: no gas-station around? :-) |
| 23:49.55 | stew | i'm trying the downgrade in a chroot because I'm curious |
| 23:50.05 | daemonkeeper | document your findings ;) |
| 23:50.34 | babilen | GJdan: I would think that upgrading to the upcoming release of Debian (i.e. Squeeze) is the best decision right now (you've seen the discussion) -- You might want to read the squeeze release notes in order to understand the process. http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes |
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| 23:50.40 | gigo | I was using a user called 'gigo'. Now, when I log into my GNOME desktop as 'gigo', my keystrokes are not recorded. when i type nothing happens. even ctrl + alt + f1 doesn't work |
| 23:50.45 | gigo | anyone has known this problem before? |
| 23:50.46 | taulus | H, I am looking for a new distro, used Ubuntu for a yaer or two before ,looking around, playing with mint right now but feels like a glossy ubuntu. I don't need the glitz anymore, should I be looking at debian? |
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| 23:51.07 | streuner_ | taulus: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 23:51.08 | babilen | streuner_: No, just a couple of corner shops. But I have fags and beer. Just want to go out, for a sec. |
| 23:51.10 | macrobat | taulus: just try it and decide |
| 23:51.36 | pfred1 | streuner_ no it is more like /msg dpkg why other distros! |
| 23:51.38 | jhutchins_lt | gigo: gdmrc messed up? What changed, did you "upgrade" to squeeze? |
| 23:51.47 | taulus | Your right I should download a few distros and play :) |
| 23:51.48 | GJdan | babilen: ok, I'll grab some lunch and read that, let me know when your back please :) and thanks for everything so far |
| 23:51.56 | streuner_ | pfred1: hehe, true too :-) |
| 23:52.03 | pfred1 | taulus then when you're ready step up to Debian |
| 23:52.06 | gigo | I have been using squeeze for about a year now, jhutchins_lt |
| 23:52.22 | babilen | GJdan: Will do ... |
| 23:52.24 | jhutchins_lt | gigo: Then you know things can change unpredictably. |
| 23:53.12 | jhutchins_lt | gigo: I'd check the gdm config, especially if there's a recent update to gdm, and check your logs to see if your hardware is being detected. |
| 23:53.24 | jhutchins_lt | gigo: See if you can boot to rescue mode. |
| 23:53.34 | pfred1 | anyone here ever use the freecad that ships with Squeeae? |
| 23:53.40 | gigo | the hardware is detected because, i can log off using the mouse and log in with the keyboard again |
| 23:53.50 | gigo | it's only when gnome loads that keyboard input is not recognized |
| 23:54.02 | pfred1 | Squeeze even this cordless keyboard is shot |
| 23:55.05 | jhutchins_lt | gigo: remember gdm != gnome |
| 23:55.19 | pfred1 | jhutchins_lt ah yes it is |
| 23:55.34 | pfred1 | jhutchins_lt gwm = Gnome Display Manager |
| 23:55.50 | pfred1 | ack I need new batteries |
| 23:55.58 | jhutchins_lt | pfred1: gdm however, is a seperate package with a seperate video/input configuration (gdmrc). |
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| 23:56.07 | gigo | jhutchins_lt: what do you mean? when I start gnome, I do /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 23:56.12 | pfred1 | jhutchins_lt it is still part of Gnome |
| 23:56.33 | daemonkeeper | Technically you can start KDE (or whatever) by using gdm as well |
| 23:56.33 | jhutchins_lt | pfred1: It uses a different configuration file for video and I/O. |
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| 23:56.56 | jhutchins_lt | daemonkeeper: Exactly - which is why it is configured independently. |
| 23:57.07 | pfred1 | jhutchins_lt thats nice lots of Gnome uses different confituration files |
| 23:57.11 | jhutchins_lt | usually it will log something about the problem. |
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| 23:58.02 | pfred1 | BTW what a PITA how Gnome stores the background images what a nightmare with the XML! |
| 23:58.34 | jhutchins_lt | pfred1: xml is at least human readable. They could be using a binary registry. |
| 23:58.48 | pfred1 | jhutchins_lt they could just use a path too |
| 23:58.56 | pfred1 | but that'd be too easy |
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| 23:59.10 | zinx | jhutchins_lt: yeah really, god forbid we store the background as a png |
| 23:59.17 | dondelelcaro | pfred1: most of those things allow a path and also allow embedding it |
| 23:59.40 | dondelelcaro | wouldn't be surprised if it used the SVG standard to store the background; that would make the most sense |
| 23:59.49 | pfred1 | dondelelcaro how the default background images are stored didn't look that way to me |