| 00:00.14 | jhutchins_lt | Ithink he's complaining about how the setting is stored, not the actual graphic. |
| 00:00.24 | dondelelcaro | you'd have to read the actual spec to know; I don't personally use gnome, so I can't tell you |
| 00:00.28 | pfred1 | as in you can't just dump files int othe directory and they show up in the "Apperance Preferences" dialog box |
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| 00:00.51 | babilen | GJdan: ping |
| 00:00.57 | philth | pong |
| 00:01.07 | GJdan | babilen: howdy |
| 00:01.12 | streuner_ | its quite easy to change a background image in GNOME |
| 00:01.25 | streuner_ | you can use, the easy way, just a theme |
| 00:01.39 | streuner_ | or just choose another in GNOME |
| 00:01.43 | pfred1 | streuner_ thaqts nice how do I get new images into the "Apperance Preferences" Background tab then? |
| 00:01.57 | pfred1 | streuner_ tell me how easy that is to do |
| 00:02.07 | babilen | GJdan: Before we start all this: How old is the install and would you mind just reinstalling squeeze from scratch? (also: I probably won't be with you for the whole process) |
| 00:02.51 | GJdan | babilen: only a few weeks old, and I wuld be slightly scared but nothing ventured nothing gained |
| 00:03.08 | streuner_ | pfred1: System-Preferences-(Erscheinungsbild) <-- english might be picture of such |
| 00:03.34 | streuner_ | pfred1: there are 3 options then, and just choose a picture |
| 00:04.21 | streuner_ | pfred1: Erscheinungsbild -> appearance/picture |
| 00:04.28 | taulus | Should I use the minimal Bootable CD to check out debian? |
| 00:04.30 | pfred1 | streuner_ I'm sorry but you lost me at Erscheinungsbild |
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| 00:04.45 | Reedenstein | Argh! |
| 00:04.47 | babilen | GJdan: So, are there changes to the system you would like to keep (user data/configuration/etc) or would a completely new installation of squeeze be acceptable? (A new installation is actually the easier option, but you'll lose your changes, and you probably need to backup user data) |
| 00:04.52 | jhutchins_lt | Complaining about configuration in Gnome is kinda like complaining about the winter in Moscow. |
| 00:04.55 | pfred1 | streuner_ I don't think you understand I want more backgrounds that persist in the dialog box |
| 00:04.55 | Reedenstein | That's always a good start, eh? |
| 00:05.13 | GJdan | the system is completely fresh, I haven't done anything yet that can't be redone fairly quickly |
| 00:05.13 | pfred1 | streuner_ I know how to add an image but added images do not persist if i change them |
| 00:05.32 | GJdan | babilen: all I've done so far is try to get everything working |
| 00:05.48 | pfred1 | streuner_ but it isn't really important it is such a hassle it is a non-issue for me |
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| 00:05.59 | streuner_ | pfred1: strange |
| 00:06.06 | GJdan | babilen: so a new installation is fine |
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| 00:06.15 | Reedenstein | Anyone want to help me decypher an ltrace of a failing apache2 script? |
| 00:06.18 | pfred1 | streuner_ have you ever looked at the XML files that define the default backgrounds? |
| 00:06.28 | pfred1 | streuner_ they're hardly trivial |
| 00:06.35 | daemonkeeper | Maybe this time, he should start directly with Squeeze to avoid this problem again ... ;) |
| 00:06.44 | pfred1 | I guess if I knew 30 languages i could work one up |
| 00:06.56 | streuner_ | pfred1: nah, you dont need them usually unless you want to write a theme... |
| 00:06.57 | babilen | GJdan: Hehe, ok. I would think that reinstalling from scratch is actually the easier and faster method. Download the rc2 installer images from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and follow http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual |
| 00:07.19 | Reedenstein | Any LAMP gurus in here? |
| 00:07.19 | streuner_ | pfred1: and thats lenny/stable? |
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| 00:07.42 | babilen | GJdan: Which locale do you plan to install in? (I had a bug report about a failed installation in de_DE.utf-8 today, but en_EN.utf-8 worked well) |
| 00:07.47 | pfred1 | streuner_ no I can't run Lenny on this machine the X is too old to run my graphics accelerated i have to run Squeeze on this machine |
| 00:07.55 | peterrooney | Reedenstein: you could try /join #apache |
| 00:08.05 | Reedenstein | Good tip. Thanks. |
| 00:08.31 | GJdan | babilen: I'm not even too sure what that means lol, assuming en is english then that |
| 00:08.31 | babilen | btw -- anybody else had reports of installation failures with de_DE.utf-8? (netinstall fwiw) |
| 00:08.32 | pfred1 | streuner_ it claims it works but doesn't actually |
| 00:08.51 | GJdan | brb finding dvd |
| 00:09.23 | babilen | GJdan: yeah en_US -> english as spoken and written in the United states and utf-8 â unicode encoding (nvm if you don't understand) |
| 00:09.37 | Reedenstein | I was just on #httpd and they sent me here. |
| 00:10.06 | Reedenstein | Said "apache2 is a debian script". |
| 00:10.12 | daemonkeeper | babilen: For RC-2? |
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| 00:10.56 | streuner_ | pfred1: ever tried .xsession to set the background? |
| 00:11.24 | streuner_ | pfred1: only if you using .xsession and not GDM or something else |
| 00:11.25 | babilen | GJdan: If you have a working internet connection (wired) during the installation you can download the netinstall images and download everyhting else you need from the internet during the installation. (lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet -- so we can check that your network card works out of the box) |
| 00:11.33 | babilen | daemonkeeper: yeah, rc2 |
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| 00:11.39 | babilen | daemonkeeper: and the dailies |
| 00:11.55 | pfred1 | streuner_ like I said you do not understand my issue I have no problems setting the background I just want to add additional choices into the "Appearance Preferences" backgrounds tab dialog box |
| 00:12.14 | GJdan | 05:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller [10ec:8168] (rev 03) |
| 00:12.19 | streuner_ | pfred1: ok :-) - ic :-) |
| 00:12.20 | GJdan | 06:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller [10ec:8168] (rev 03) |
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| 00:12.47 | GJdan | no dvds, cd works though? |
| 00:12.48 | pfred1 | streuner_ you see from time to time when I do in fact change my background i like to pick from more than the few ugly ones Gnome ships with |
| 00:13.25 | daemonkeeper | babilen: I tried the last pre-rc1 version with German UTF locales and had no problems, more recently I used en_US only. |
| 00:13.32 | max_sharpe | okay now that I finally got debian installed and openssh running i'm lost. |
| 00:13.32 | babilen | GJdan: You network card shouldn't be a problem. So you have a working internet connection (wired)? |
| 00:13.46 | GJdan | babilen: ya, I do |
| 00:14.15 | pfred1 | GJdan see there's your problem if your connection was wireless it'd just work today :) |
| 00:14.17 | babilen | daemonkeeper: I had one user earlier over at oftc, could reproduce it with de_DE, but not with en_US -- he'll file a bugs against installation-reports tomorrow |
| 00:14.42 | streuner_ | pfred1: it works perfectly in sid, i dunno its permanent... |
| 00:14.46 | GJdan | >.< |
| 00:14.50 | babilen | GJdan: use the "netinstall" then -- it contains everything you need to setup a basic system and it will download everything else directly from the internet |
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| 00:15.05 | daemonkeeper | babilen: Now you're telling, I think I saw your discussion before |
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| 00:15.11 | GJdan | babilen: k, so I'll dl and burn the amd64 to a cd |
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| 00:15.31 | pfred1 | streuner_ you can just dump a file int oa directory and it appears in your "Apperance Preferences" dialog box even if you select a new background? |
| 00:15.48 | babilen | daemonkeeper: I read "telling" as "trolling" for a second and was like: "huh? am I?" |
| 00:16.25 | daemonkeeper | No! You're reputable and good! |
| 00:16.40 | daemonkeeper | (Or so) |
| 00:16.42 | babilen | GJdan: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_rc2/amd64/iso-cd/debian-squeeze-di-rc2-amd64-netinst.iso (if in doubt) |
| 00:16.48 | babilen | daemonkeeper: hehe |
| 00:17.17 | streuner_ | pfred1: i just add a new picture and it stays in the dialog box , yes |
| 00:17.19 | GJdan | babilen: lol that's what I'm dling, but I do feel better now >.< |
| 00:17.20 | pfred1 | GJdan I hate avahi and Gnome Network Manager they boty seem to be at odds with wired network connections |
| 00:17.57 | pfred1 | GJdan getting rid of them speeds up boots too |
| 00:18.17 | babilen | pfred1: don't confuse GJdan ;) |
| 00:18.38 | pfred1 | babilen yeah that is all Gnome Network Manager and Avahi do for me is confuse me |
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| 00:19.08 | pfred1 | babilen IK dug down to the bottom of both of those rat holes and it ain't pretty! |
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| 00:19.10 | babilen | yeah, I prefer /etc/network/interfaces, wpa-supplicant in roaming mode or wicd |
| 00:19.58 | pfred1 | it is like now wireless is the default and wired ethernet is the one you have to work to make work |
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| 00:20.41 | GJdan | k, burning |
| 00:21.02 | peterrooney | is there some way to have network-manager die a slow and painful death? |
| 00:21.04 | pfred1 | GJdan I like to use usb pen drives today |
| 00:21.11 | pfred1 | GJdan saves on discs |
| 00:21.29 | rawtaz | hahah |
| 00:21.39 | rawtaz | good one peterrooney =) |
| 00:21.48 | pfred1 | GJdan check out http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 00:22.04 | GJdan | pfred1: I don't know much about that cept that it's faster >.< I have knoppix on a usb drive for some reason lol |
| 00:22.12 | peterrooney | I'm not normally one for malice, but n-m reveals my personal failings |
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| 00:22.37 | pfred1 | peterrooney it has caused me more than my fair share of grief |
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| 00:23.33 | GJdan | so what does unstable mean exavtly? I always assumed it meant under dev, but it seems I'm wrong? |
| 00:23.46 | GJdan | babilen: the cd is burned |
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| 00:23.53 | streuner_ | !sid |
| 00:23.53 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
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| 00:24.21 | pfred1 | well sid gets released when it becomes tested kinds of sort of |
| 00:24.46 | babilen | GJdan: well, guess what happens now! |
| 00:24.51 | pfred1 | sid goes to squeeze |
| 00:25.01 | Canar | !unstable |
| 00:25.01 | dpkg | [unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 00:25.02 | babilen | !tell GJdan about unstable |
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| 00:25.38 | GJdan | babilen: I either boot it up or get rid of the current version. I'm new to OSs |
| 00:25.44 | yakamo | is there any programs i can use in windows to fetch packages and their dependancys |
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| 00:26.17 | GJdan | babilen: or I could read the instructions >.< |
| 00:26.20 | babilen | GJdan: You boot the cd and start installing :) |
| 00:26.22 | pfred1 | yakamo you should be able to just download the .debs |
| 00:26.26 | babilen | GJdan: or that ;) |
| 00:26.42 | themill | dpkg: tell yakamo about apt-zip |
| 00:26.50 | yakamo | pfred1: there is usually some lib or other the .deb package depends on |
| 00:26.52 | streuner_ | yakamo: how about to use packages.debian.org/<package> and dowload the files then? |
| 00:27.04 | GJdan | babilen: what do I do about 5 that's installed now? nothing for now? |
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| 00:27.25 | streuner_ | yakamo: s/files/packages/ |
| 00:27.28 | daemonkeeper | You install your new Debian over your old (say: you remove it) |
| 00:27.31 | babilen | GJdan: 5 == lenny? I would just remove/overwrite it if you don't need it. |
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| 00:27.57 | GJdan | babilen: ok, I suppose I can do that later |
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| 00:28.12 | daemonkeeper | Where do you install then if you keep the space? ;) |
| 00:28.19 | pfred1 | babilen I did some kind of an upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze here and after a few fits and starts it seems to be working to me |
| 00:28.41 | babilen | pfred1: w00t! |
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| 00:29.01 | peregrine81 | I am sshing into a server, and the base term is in full color. When I attach to a screen session its in greyscale. |
| 00:29.33 | pfred1 | so no Freecad users here huh? |
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| 00:30.08 | babilen | GJdan: If you have enough space you can install to (a) different partition(s), but why would you like to keep the old version around? |
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| 00:30.30 | GJdan | babilen: I wouldn't, I'm just overthinking |
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| 00:30.43 | peterrooney | peregrine81: my guess is, it seems sensible for screen to not make extravagant assumptions about the capabilities of all terminals that might connect to it. |
| 00:30.54 | pfred1 | babilen I'll never understand the multiple OS mentality I just want one that works |
| 00:31.39 | pfred1 | and Debian comes closest to my idea of one that works |
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| 00:31.55 | peregrine81 | peterrooney: yea that is sensible. but I'd like it to assume the best not the worst :) |
| 00:31.57 | GJdan | I do plan to stick windows 7 on a virtual machine later though >.< |
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| 00:32.20 | pfred1 | GJdan I think there is a solitare game in Debian someplace |
| 00:32.20 | GJdan | so can I just stick the CD in the drive and reboot? |
| 00:32.28 | babilen | GJdan: yeah -- people seem to recommend virtualbox |
| 00:32.46 | babilen | GJdan: yes, you have to enable boot from cd in your BIOS (if not enabled already) though |
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| 00:33.17 | GJdan | ah ok |
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| 00:33.35 | pfred1 | I had to look at some strange file format once that there wre no viewers for in Linux man it took me forever to get this app to run virtualized |
| 00:33.52 | homecable | how do i dhcpd more then 1 ip my isp lets me dhcpd an ip per computer how do i grab more then 1 |
| 00:34.41 | daemonkeeper | GJdan: It is noteworthy you won't be able to run decent 3D games on your emulated Windows. |
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| 00:34.52 | daemonkeeper | Just in case you asked because of that ... |
| 00:35.15 | pfred1 | daemonkeeper yeah the virtualized viewer app was 3D and it was fiendishly slow! |
| 00:35.27 | GJdan | babilen: lol no, it's cause I want to set up large duel monitors |
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| 00:35.49 | GJdan | babilen: the resolution isn't supported without it it seems |
| 00:35.49 | pfred1 | daemonkeeper it really was just like running Windows man it took me back ... |
| 00:36.12 | babilen | yeah, duelling monitors are always nice to see. En guarde! |
| 00:36.33 | pfred1 | Linux can't do multihead? |
| 00:36.38 | daemonkeeper | Sure it can |
| 00:36.39 | babilen | it can |
| 00:36.45 | dvs | it can? |
| 00:36.49 | daemonkeeper | Although VirtualBox has _some_ hardware acceleration support pfred1 |
| 00:36.51 | babilen | it can! |
| 00:36.55 | daemonkeeper | Yes, we can! |
| 00:36.58 | daemonkeeper | (or so) |
| 00:37.01 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 00:37.02 | babilen | linux in a can! |
| 00:37.08 | pfred1 | since about the beginning of time if memory serves I never tried it but I've read about it enough |
| 00:37.37 | pfred1 | daemonkeeper yeah i just used wine |
| 00:37.39 | GJdan | babilen: I do'nt know much about bios right now either, the cd-rom drive is the second boot device right now harddrive is the first, should I do anything? |
| 00:37.44 | babilen | pfred1: It is *really* easy these days. |
| 00:38.03 | babilen | GJdan: You should change the boot order CD first, then hdd |
| 00:38.15 | babilen | GJdan: save changes, exit |
| 00:38.21 | GJdan | k |
| 00:38.50 | pfred1 | I guess i should just download the source of frecad build that see if my issue goes away |
| 00:39.16 | streuner_ | dpkg, info freecad |
| 00:39.33 | GJdan | babilen: install? or graphical install? |
| 00:39.42 | dpkg | freecad: (An extensible Open Source CAx program (alpha)), section science, is extra. Version: 0.10.3247.dfsg-2 (sid), Packaged size: 6211 kB, Installed size: 17116 kB |
| 00:39.51 | daemonkeeper | GJdan: For the sake of simplicity try graphical install |
| 00:39.54 | daemonkeeper | Both is fine ... |
| 00:40.19 | streuner_ | freecad - Ein erweiterbares Open-Source-CAx-Programm (Alpha) <-- sounds interesting then :-) |
| 00:40.27 | pfred1 | streuner_ I couldn't get the stuff to not use metric units |
| 00:40.48 | daemonkeeper | Is here anony _not_ speaking German apparently? ;) |
| 00:40.53 | pfred1 | streuner_ metric is grabage for machining |
| 00:41.00 | streuner_ | pfred1: its still alpha... |
| 00:41.16 | streuner_ | so dont expect too much |
| 00:41.18 | pfred1 | heck metric screw threads aren't even real |
| 00:41.25 | GJdan | so what I meant before is, while I do this, what happens to the older debian? is it overwritten automatically? |
| 00:41.34 | pfred1 | they're synthetic nonsense |
| 00:41.51 | babilen | daemonkeeper: huh? so ja nu mal gar nich! |
| 00:42.00 | themill | introduces pfred1 to the rest of the world |
| 00:42.18 | amphi | a sheltered life⦠|
| 00:42.27 | daemonkeeper | babilen: Ich merks, streuner_ auch nicht ;) |
| 00:42.27 | pfred1 | streuner_ CAD and I never see eye to eye and QCAD has been driving me nuts so I figured I'd give freecad a shot |
| 00:42.33 | babilen | GJdan: You can decide what to do with the old partitions. You can either leave them in the state they are in now or format them in order to use them for something else |
| 00:42.50 | streuner_ | daemonkeeper: heh? :-) |
| 00:42.54 | pfred1 | streuner_ it is too cold for me to sit out in my shop and use real drawing instruments |
| 00:43.22 | streuner_ | Linux is good in many things, but CAD? |
| 00:43.26 | GJdan | I think it's stuck trying to detect network hardware lol |
| 00:43.54 | daemonkeeper | GJdan: Did you skip a warning about non-free firmware being needed? |
| 00:44.08 | GJdan | perhaps |
| 00:44.39 | daemonkeeper | *sigh* That decision will cause a lot of support in future ... ;) |
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| 00:45.53 | babilen | daemonkeeper: will it? |
| 00:46.03 | GJdan | I have installed firmware-linux-nonfree in the past, is that what your talking about? |
| 00:46.06 | pfred1 | streuner_ to me CAD in general is weak no matter what the platform coders aren't fine artists in my experience |
| 00:46.28 | daemonkeeper | GJdan: If you did, you may skip your network configuration, since your installer misses non-free firmware. You can configure your network later or start again by providing your needed driver on a usb pen drive/floppy/whatever |
| 00:46.30 | babilen | pfred1: -ot? |
| 00:46.31 | streuner_ | daemonkeeper: ah, ic now, missed the part of you before (non-speaking german...) |
| 00:47.12 | GJdan | well at anyrate I have "Detect network hardware" and a blank screen under it and it's stuck >.> |
| 00:47.35 | pfred1 | babilen do me a favor install freecad then switch from metric to imperial units then we can get more on topic OK? |
| 00:47.42 | GJdan | I'm about to force a shutdown and startover |
| 00:47.51 | pfred1 | babilen or STFU |
| 00:48.04 | daemonkeeper | babilen: Yes, it does. I see everyday people having trouble because they upgraded from lenny to squeeze (by ignoring the firmware warning from initramfs) or installing from a plain squeeze Cd running into this problem. And Squeeze is not even released yet. |
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| 00:48.50 | babilen | daemonkeeper: What kind of troubles are these? How are they resolved by the installer and what support is needed later if the warning/message is ignored? |
| 00:49.01 | daemonkeeper | GJdan: You may change to your terminal and look for suspicious output, e.g. ctrl+alt+F2/3/4 |
| 00:49.13 | pfred1 | daemonkeeper I must have sidestepped that because I'd already had a custom kernel running |
| 00:49.31 | babilen | GJdan: Could you change to another console (alt-f2/f3/f...) and check for errors? |
| 00:49.45 | GJdan | ok |
| 00:49.45 | daemonkeeper | Said that right before ;) |
| 00:50.10 | babilen | daemonkeeper: I know *sniff* it is late here .... /me hands support over to #d :) |
| 00:51.02 | GJdan | I see nothing strange in the other console? or do I need to type something? |
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| 00:51.55 | daemonkeeper | babilen: You might have noticed that squeeze is shipped with a totally free kernel. That implies that the debian installer fails to establish network connectivity because of the missing binary firmwares (e.g. for Broadcom NICs). You can imagine this is particular bad if you do a _netinst_ or you have no alternatives to get that packet afterwards in your off-line system since the CDs don't ship it. |
| 00:52.30 | streuner_ | tzz |
| 00:52.35 | babilen | daemonkeeper: yes, i sure. i see what you mean. |
| 00:52.57 | streuner_ | could it be a DHCP issue? |
| 00:52.58 | daemonkeeper | Same applies for lenny->squeeze upgrade and one ignores the warning about missing firmware while generating the initrd |
| 00:54.08 | babilen | daemonkeeper: i concur. just wasn't sure what you are referring to. well, i'm off duty. good luck! |
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| 00:54.19 | parabyte | anyone know where i can ask questions about ppp? |
| 00:54.24 | streuner_ | didnt has such issues yet, or the image was just broken |
| 00:54.27 | daemonkeeper | Gotta go as well ;) |
| 00:54.31 | GJdan | lol k, I'm on my own now then? >.< |
| 00:54.35 | streuner_ | parabyte: just ask |
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| 00:54.44 | linuxguy | is i possible to update kde to kde 4.5.5? |
| 00:54.49 | parabyte | i cant see any pado packets from my ethernet router device when i set it to bridge mode |
| 00:54.54 | parabyte | my isp uses pppao |
| 00:55.05 | daemonkeeper | GJdan: You may ask. It is not only babilen and me helping you here. |
| 00:55.06 | Some_Person | I ran "dd if=/dev/sdb of=~/ubuntu-backup" on an SD card containing an ubuntu install. Now I need to get a file out of this. What should I do? The drive had one ext4 partition |
| 00:55.07 | streuner_ | GJdan: is that a lenny/stable netinstall? |
| 00:55.08 | babilen | GJdan: you are not -- there is a complete channel here. and daemonkeeper was just joking |
| 00:55.17 | parabyte | i use wireshark to sniff and i see no pado packets i fire up ppp and it sends padi but doesnt receive a pado |
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| 00:55.42 | daemonkeeper | There are 932 more people, including some rather smart bots! |
| 00:55.46 | GJdan | streuner_: squeeze netinstall |
| 00:55.51 | streuner_ | here we go |
| 00:55.56 | parabyte | my internet works fine if i use the router device with its own pppoa and ppp client and such but i want my debian box to have the live ip address |
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| 00:56.17 | GJdan | aye true, right cya guys |
| 00:56.21 | daemonkeeper | GJdan: As said, did you or did you not see a warning about missing firmware? |
| 00:56.21 | streuner_ | GJdan: well, i prefer to use a stable installer and upgrade then... |
| 00:56.29 | babilen | streuner_: don't lecture him. we discussed that long enough and decided that squeeze installation is the best option. |
| 00:56.31 | streuner_ | GJdan: good night |
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| 00:56.39 | GJdan | I'm staying >.< |
| 00:56.40 | streuner_ | babilen: sorry |
| 00:56.55 | GJdan | I saw nothing in the other console, just an empty console |
| 00:57.00 | parabyte | would kernel bridging allow me to do that if i issue brctl adif br0 on the router device |
| 00:57.02 | parabyte | ????????????????? |
| 00:57.05 | babilen | streuner_: no problem, just wanted to let you know |
| 00:57.07 | parabyte | ????????????????????????? |
| 00:57.12 | daemonkeeper | GJdan: Could you try again, this time using the text installer? |
| 00:57.21 | GJdan | ya k |
| 00:57.23 | daemonkeeper | That one may be a bit more mature. |
| 00:57.23 | parabyte | and add the wan device to the lan device |
| 00:57.55 | DanDare | Hello. ive got access to a new VPS (Debian 5). it accepts SSH root access but i cant ping outside world from there |
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| 00:58.03 | DanDare | gateway is defined by default and i can ping it |
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| 00:58.44 | DanDare | anyone used to remote VPS that have any clue on this ? |
| 00:58.47 | streuner_ | babilen: well, if you want a squeeze installer, i would ask #debian-boot first... |
| 00:59.13 | streuner_ | babilen: they know best, which installer just work or not... |
| 00:59.40 | daemonkeeper | Honestly, at a RC2 stage this should not be subject to discussion /if/ the installer works |
| 00:59.53 | GJdan | daemonkeeper: now it's stuck on an empty blue screen lawl |
| 01:00.14 | daemonkeeper | GJdan: When is "now""? |
| 01:00.28 | GJdan | daemonkeeper: this very moment |
| 01:00.41 | daemonkeeper | heh, I meant what was your last step |
| 01:00.57 | GJdan | daemonkeeper: it did the usual stuff, this time too fast for me to watch, my last step was to select american english |
| 01:01.10 | GJdan | all I got to do was choose language, location, then american english |
| 01:01.26 | daemonkeeper | So by default network configuration comes next, right? |
| 01:01.36 | GJdan | daemonkeeper: I imagine |
| 01:01.44 | daemonkeeper | Well, I asked the channel ;) |
| 01:01.51 | daemonkeeper | But I'm rather sure |
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| 01:02.23 | daemonkeeper | Is the system completely frozen? |
| 01:02.37 | daemonkeeper | i.e. can you hit ctrl+alt+f2/3/4 |
| 01:02.43 | GJdan | hmm there's a console at the bottom |
| 01:03.06 | GJdan | a white strip for input |
| 01:03.21 | daemonkeeper | For which tty? |
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| 01:03.36 | GJdan | I can type in it, and I'm sure ctr+alt+f2/3/4 would work too |
| 01:03.59 | daemonkeeper | Yes, you have reached a shell |
| 01:04.27 | daemonkeeper | So streuner_ could be right about a blocking DHCP |
| 01:04.44 | GJdan | solution? |
| 01:05.00 | daemonkeeper | If that is your problem, just wait. |
| 01:05.18 | daemonkeeper | If not, you might consider skipping your network configuration |
| 01:05.38 | daemonkeeper | You do a netinst? |
| 01:06.03 | GJdan | ya |
| 01:06.10 | GJdan | so I could always just burn a full cd |
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| 01:08.21 | daemonkeeper | Well, if you can get past that point that might be a solution |
| 01:09.06 | moses | whats the command to uninstall a package? |
| 01:09.24 | GJdan | ah wait, it takes a few dvds or many cds? heh |
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| 01:09.30 | streuner_ | moses: aptitude remove <package> |
| 01:09.48 | daemonkeeper | GJdan: You need to first only. |
| 01:10.28 | daemonkeeper | Yet you have to come past your freezing point first, since this applies for the full image as well |
| 01:10.44 | GJdan | ah |
| 01:10.53 | GJdan | I see, so that's not really a problem |
| 01:11.13 | GJdan | well still nothing happening |
| 01:11.24 | streuner_ | a bad sign |
| 01:11.32 | daemonkeeper | Yes, try again this time enter on the command line before booting "expert" |
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| 01:11.56 | GJdan | before booting? |
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| 01:12.18 | linuxguy | 12hrs later and no replies......keep up the good work :) |
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| 01:12.34 | daemonkeeper | You arre prompted about the method to install Debian, you know ("graphical install", "text mode install", ...) |
| 01:12.41 | streuner_ | there are always MLs too... |
| 01:12.50 | daemonkeeper | This is a generic boot prompt, you can enter commands there as well |
| 01:12.54 | daemonkeeper | Type "expert" and hit enter |
| 01:12.58 | streuner_ | linuxguy: if you get no help here, just try a ML |
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| 01:13.23 | linuxguy | streuner_, what is ML pls? |
| 01:13.33 | streuner_ | linuxguy: mailinglist |
| 01:13.35 | GJdan | daemonkeeper: advanced options > expert install ? |
| 01:13.38 | linuxguy | ah ok |
| 01:13.50 | daemonkeeper | That is ok as well |
| 01:13.59 | streuner_ | linuxguy: there are more than 900 users here, but lots of idlers... |
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| 01:14.31 | GJdan | daemonkeeper: ok, "choose the next step in the install process:" |
| 01:14.36 | streuner_ | linuxguy: and only a few are awake, you reach many more users in a ML |
| 01:15.10 | daemonkeeper | GJdan: Fine, start from the top. The installer points you then to the next suggested step afterwards |
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| 01:16.00 | daemonkeeper | GJdan: The process may keep stuck again as soon as you configure your network. If that happens we now at least where exactly your problem happened |
| 01:16.09 | daemonkeeper | +know |
| 01:17.53 | GJdan | wants to load use-storage module go ahead? |
| 01:18.44 | daemonkeeper | usb-storage? You can, won't change anything I'd assume |
| 01:18.51 | GJdan | this is the "Detect and mount CD-ROM step which makes no sense to me >.< |
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| 01:21.06 | GJdan | asking if I want to install additional components |
| 01:21.21 | daemonkeeper | Like? |
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| 01:22.39 | GJdan | daemonkeeper: ones that catch my attention are things like choose-mirror network-console ai-localechooser openssh-client-udeb |
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| 01:23.04 | daemonkeeper | You can skip all of those |
| 01:23.04 | GJdan | k |
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| 01:23.44 | GJdan | ok next step is Detect network hardware |
| 01:23.54 | GJdan | failed right off the bat |
| 01:23.54 | daemonkeeper | Yup, now starts real fin |
| 01:23.56 | daemonkeeper | fun |
| 01:24.06 | daemonkeeper | Fail as in "freeze"? |
| 01:24.14 | JSP | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.22 | GJdan | showed a loading bar that finished real fast then it went to the blue console like before |
| 01:24.25 | daemonkeeper | oh, yet another irssi user ; |
| 01:25.40 | daemonkeeper | GJdan: ok, you might have hit a bug. I'd say you have two choices left: Restart installer again in expert mode but skip network configuration next time (you might need a full image thereto) or you install Lenny and do (this time) a clean dist-upgrade to Squeeze |
| 01:26.18 | daemonkeeper | Since Lenny seems to work for you |
| 01:27.07 | GJdan | hmm k |
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| 01:27.59 | GJdan | k, lenny is still installed lol |
| 01:28.09 | streuner_ | daemonkeeper: are you german? |
| 01:28.11 | daemonkeeper | But please reinstall |
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| 01:28.17 | daemonkeeper | YOUR lenny is just broken |
| 01:28.21 | GJdan | >.< k, fiine |
| 01:28.33 | GJdan | I do remember a simular problem when installing Lenny before though |
| 01:28.37 | GJdan | I think it will happen again |
| 01:28.47 | daemonkeeper | GJdan: Well, you solved it apparently? ;) |
| 01:29.05 | daemonkeeper | streuner_: No, living in Germany though (und Deutsch als Muttersprache sprechend) |
| 01:29.09 | GJdan | my brother did, he's not around. I'm thinking I'll phone him up later if I have to |
| 01:29.30 | max_sharpe | I have a question. |
| 01:29.36 | GJdan | daemonkeeper: he's very difficult to talk to >.> |
| 01:29.40 | max_sharpe | how do you download a file in debian on the command line? |
| 01:29.53 | streuner_ | wget |
| 01:29.55 | GJdan | wget? |
| 01:29.56 | daemonkeeper | GJdan: Its a bit hard to debug your issue for me, since you could not provide me a an error |
| 01:29.58 | GJdan | ya lol |
| 01:30.00 | max_sharpe | Okay thanks! |
| 01:30.11 | streuner_ | or curl |
| 01:30.18 | daemonkeeper | or telnet! |
| 01:30.19 | GJdan | hmm k |
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| 01:30.52 | daemonkeeper | GJdan: You can start again and skip network configuration. |
| 01:31.10 | daemonkeeper | GJdan: Using a full image, there is no problem to do that |
| 01:31.18 | daemonkeeper | You can configure your network later |
| 01:31.21 | GJdan | k |
| 01:31.30 | max_sharpe | Telnet? |
| 01:31.34 | max_sharpe | are you joshing me? |
| 01:31.36 | max_sharpe | pfft. |
| 01:31.40 | daemonkeeper | Otherwise, yeah, await your brother :) |
| 01:31.45 | daemonkeeper | max_sharpe: I'm not |
| 01:32.41 | GJdan | ya >.> doing nothing is easy |
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| 01:45.55 | stew | daemonkeeper: well, fwiw, i was able to do the upgrade and go back, it wasn't completely straightforward though. perl-base was, libc6 wasn't. well it breaks on the downgrade, you unpack it by hand in / then it works again :) |
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| 01:46.37 | daemonkeeper | So you replaced libc6 by hand? |
| 01:47.58 | stew | daemonkeeper: i downgraded everything with libc6 that had the versioned depends. libc6 fails to configure because you end up without ldconfig, "dpkg -x /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_$version_$arch.deb /" then "dpkg --configure -a" gets it going again |
| 01:48.32 | daemonkeeper | I understand. No binary weirdness though? |
| 01:48.51 | stew | correct |
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| 01:49.10 | daemonkeeper | Interesting. This could be either luck or by design. |
| 01:49.38 | stew | yeah. i'm of course not advocating this, especially not on a system you care about more than this chroot that i'm going to delete :), but was curious... |
| 01:50.55 | simonrvn | sometimes that's your only option... |
| 01:51.23 | simonrvn | notes the weeklies starting |
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| 01:55.07 | daemonkeeper | I guess I might try this as well stew, but with an already replaced dpkg/apt. To verify your assumption of not having problems with a binary downgrade of an essential package surely needed during the process. |
| 01:56.09 | simonrvn | had to do that once until there was stray symlink to an old ld.so or such... |
| 01:56.35 | simonrvn | until i realised there* |
| 01:57.11 | simonrvn | felt really dumb, but good at having found the problem |
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| 02:28.39 | queso | Is there a decent monitoring tool that can give history of cpu/mem/network usage for a machine? |
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| 02:29.09 | Bop | queso, htop ? |
| 02:29.18 | un214 | while : ; do ; date ; free ; done >> /var/log/cpuhistory |
| 02:29.21 | Bop | hmm no network , i think |
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| 02:30.47 | queso | Sorry, I should have stated -- not for looking at a single machine but someone that could centrally log this for multiple machines, perhaps accessable via a browser. |
| 02:30.59 | queso | s/someone/something/ |
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| 02:39.08 | DanDare | Hello. Im here http://packages.debian.org/lenny/dnsutils to download the package but I need the 64bit version. Should I just download it ? |
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| 02:40.04 | dvs | DanDare: Why can't you use aptitude (or apt-get) |
| 02:40.30 | mogaj | My head phones are not working on ubuntu 10.10 |
| 02:41.04 | DanDare | dvs, im onto a unmanaged VPS with just a minimal set of packages installed. I think i will need to get some packages manually until I got it working properly |
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| 02:41.08 | beardy | mogaj: Ask in #ubuntu then. |
| 02:41.14 | jmarsden | queso: any network management toolkit like cricket should work fine. nagios, with more setup work to hook in rrdtool for the history data |
| 02:41.45 | mogaj | Tq |
| 02:41.57 | dvs | DanDare: Well, if you don't have an internet connection get I guess you have to download. The problem is getting all the dependencies to it too. |
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| 02:42.45 | queso | jmarsden: thx, I'll check those out |
| 02:43.41 | DanDare | dvs, im not sure yet. VPS cant resolve names yet, trying to figure out how to get it working. Anyway VPS is running in 64bit |
| 02:44.17 | babilen | queso: you might also like munin, cacti, ganglia, et. al. |
| 02:44.37 | dvs | DanDare: I'm not sure how network connections work in a VPS so I wish I could help you there. |
| 02:45.37 | jmarsden | DanDare: resolving names is the same in a VPS as out of one. Worst case just edit /etc/resolv.conf to say nameserver 8.8.8.8 and you should be able to resolve names. |
| 02:46.14 | DanDare | jmarsden, thanks I will take a look |
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| 02:53.18 | DanDare | allright, after I edit resolv.conf I must reload any service to get it updated ? |
| 02:53.52 | babilen | no |
| 02:53.53 | beardy | No. |
| 02:54.24 | max_sharpe | writes that down. |
| 02:54.25 | queso | babilen: Thanks |
| 02:55.13 | babilen | queso: just wanted to mention a few others, not saying that nagios is a bad choice, but well, it never hurts to look at more |
| 02:55.27 | DanDare | ok thanks. The VPS wasnt pinging anything in the outside world. I checked interfaces and it has route to the gateway and all. I sent a ticket about the problem, got not answer yet but VPS started pinging outside IP's but no DNS until now... maybe be something guys are still setting there |
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| 02:56.33 | queso | babilen: no, that's good -- I did want to look at some different options. |
| 02:57.01 | spersaud | when I do from restclient import Resource in lenny it works but not squeeze whats going on here ? My laptop is squeeze desktop is lenny |
| 02:57.13 | spersaud | this is python |
| 02:57.38 | queso | If a download in aptitude is stalled, is there a safe way to restart it? |
| 02:57.53 | karlpinc | I seem to recallthat nagios has a lot of proprietary extensions, and that there was a fork over this.... |
| 02:58.16 | queso | karlpinc: what is the name of the nagios fork? |
| 02:59.43 | karlpinc | queso: Let me see.... |
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| 03:00.39 | queso | karlpinc: icinga? |
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| 03:00.51 | karlpinc | queso: That's it. |
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| 03:01.24 | karlpinc | queso: There's packages. |
| 03:01.59 | karlpinc | queso: (In backports for lenny.) |
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| 03:03.01 | babilen | karlpinc: What is the point of that fork? |
| 03:03.07 | karlpinc | queso: If a download is stalled, no matter. It should just re-download next time. (Not that I've ever tried it.) |
| 03:04.06 | karlpinc | babilen: IIRC nagios core was open source, but they allowed all sorts of proprietary add-ins. And the whole point was to provide a framework where the add-ins do the work. So it was "unusable" (for some value thereof) without the proprietary bits. |
| 03:05.37 | babilen | ah, ok. i just though: What is wrong with allowing/supporting proprietary third party add-ons. I had never had problems with nagios though :-\ |
| 03:05.43 | karlpinc | babilen: Sorta like if mysql had lots of proprietary back-ends contributed by those who wanted to get in on the action. |
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| 03:07.40 | stew | i've never found nagios to be unusable |
| 03:08.02 | karlpinc | babilen: I was goint to say they wanted a community where the foss add-ins had a chance of use and development, but I can't speak to their motives. Maybe they just didn't want to get stick in a bitkeeper sort of situation where there was reliance on a closed source vendor. |
| 03:08.05 | stew | the point of the fork was "we have a lot of stuff we'd like to add to nagios but development is stagnent and no patches are being accepted" |
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| 03:08.36 | karlpinc | stew: Ok. That was my recollection. It was a long time ago and I wasn't involved in any way. |
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| 03:09.12 | babilen | good point -- so icingi is actually a better choice nowadays? |
| 03:09.27 | karlpinc | babilen: Better ask stew. He actually uses it. |
| 03:09.43 | babilen | stew: consider yourself asked |
| 03:09.56 | stew | babilen: i haven't tried it yet |
| 03:10.34 | babilen | hehe |
| 03:10.34 | karlpinc | http://www.icinga.org/faq/why-a-fork/ |
| 03:10.47 | stew | i will after I get some time. i'm hoping i'll find a way to actually get status out of it without having to scrape webpages |
| 03:10.53 | stew | which is one thing I find absurd about nagios |
| 03:11.11 | stew | everything you use to try to get "are there any alerts right now" has to scrape either html or wml |
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| 03:15.08 | stew | babilen: if i were starting fresh, i'd certainly be using icinga. however I already have a pretty large dependence on nagios |
| 03:15.10 | babilen | hmm, icinga looks nice |
| 03:15.27 | babilen | queso: ^^^^ |
| 03:16.11 | karlpinc | queso: I've used pmacct and cacti together in the past. It depends on what you want to do. |
| 03:16.58 | babilen | used ganglia for one of the smaller clusters @uni |
| 03:17.29 | queso | Thanks for the help guys, I'll probably test the different options to see what I like. |
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| 03:18.35 | babilen | queso: it really depends on what you want/need -- don't forget to throw snort in the mix |
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| 03:19.13 | karlpinc | queso: (And switch hardware that taps to feed snort.) |
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| 03:23.15 | joulez | hello |
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| 03:23.25 | joulez | anyway to get adobe flash to work with lenny? |
| 03:23.31 | spersaud | any issues with python path in squeeze ? |
| 03:23.42 | spersaud | do you have to export /usr/local/python2.6 ... ? |
| 03:24.00 | karlpinc | !tell joulez about flash |
| 03:24.26 | babilen | spersaud: why /usr/local? |
| 03:25.01 | spersaud | babilen: I installed py-restclient-1.3.3 I can do from restclient import Resource in lenny (my desktop) but not in squeeze .. (my laptop) |
| 03:26.26 | babilen | spersaud: How is that related to /usr/local? And I don't find the py-restclient-1.3.3 package in Debian. Could you provide more information please? |
| 03:26.34 | karlpinc | !tell joulez about overview |
| 03:26.42 | spersaud | pypi.python.org |
| 03:27.17 | joulez | karlpinc: it looks like theres no way to have flashplayer working in lenny. |
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| 03:28.33 | karlpinc | joulez: I'm afraid i don't know what that is. Did you see <multimedia> or the DebianSoftware wiki page? They might help, or not. |
| 03:28.55 | joulez | karlpinc: http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 03:29.25 | spersaud | babilen: py-restclient-1.3.3 is located at pypi.python.org |
| 03:29.52 | babilen | spersaud: Ok, so you want to install it from the cheeseshop. There are basically two ways I advocate: 1. Install it into a (distribute) virtualenv (look into virtualenvwrapper and pip) or 2. Use the --user install method for setup.py to install it locally into your home directory. |
| 03:31.09 | spersaud | babilen: wow ... what happened to the old way of doing things ? |
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| 03:31.31 | babilen | spersaud: What is "the old way" ? |
| 03:31.41 | spersaud | babilen: install it in /usr/lib ... |
| 03:32.01 | karlpinc | !tell spersaud about fhs |
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| 03:32.59 | pfred1 | is there a debian package for chrome? |
| 03:33.27 | danols | what is the package for debian that install pam_mount ? |
| 03:33.33 | danols | please and thank you :) |
| 03:33.40 | stew | pfred1: chromium-browser |
| 03:33.50 | stew | danols: apt-cache search pam mount |
| 03:34.06 | pfred1 | stew thanks! |
| 03:34.35 | beardy | watches stew spin and holster |
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| 03:34.40 | danols | stew you rule is there an aptitude equivalent ? it doesn't find it |
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| 03:35.18 | babilen | spersaud: Ah, very bad idea as it might shadow/overwrite system files. I strongly recommend learning about some of the recent tools used for Python development. See PEP 370, virtualenv, pip, distribute, ... |
| 03:35.50 | stew | danols: aptitude search "pam mount" |
| 03:35.52 | spersaud | babilen: ok python setup.py install --user created the local dirs |
| 03:36.02 | spersaud | babilen: but I dont see restclient in there |
| 03:36.16 | danols | whoa version in lenny is 0.44 package is 2.8 in dev hmmm 2.5 in backported |
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| 03:36.20 | caverdude | hello |
| 03:36.23 | danols | stew: thanks again! |
| 03:37.11 | babilen | spersaud: Nothing in ~/.local/lib/python2.6/site-packages? |
| 03:37.54 | spersaud | babilen: nope |
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| 03:38.33 | caverdude | hey I have debian installed, is there any command line email client installed by default? |
| 03:38.53 | caverdude | I guess sendmail is the primary command line email client |
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| 03:40.28 | caverdude | oh its mail |
| 03:40.35 | babilen | spersaud: I've just tried it here and it works perfectly. Could you paste your commands and the output of the complete installation + how you check if its there to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 03:41.02 | caverdude | ok I guess I don't have sendmail installed |
| 03:41.03 | tensorpudding | heirloom mailx, to be specific |
| 03:41.16 | spersaud | babilen: ok if I do sudo it creates in root correctly .. |
| 03:41.35 | babilen | root? why do you want it in root's home directory? |
| 03:41.35 | spersaud | babilen: but when I do it as normal user it says permission denied |
| 03:41.47 | babilen | spersaud: show me |
| 03:41.49 | beardy | caverdude: The default MTA is exim, which is installed. |
| 03:41.57 | caverdude | ok |
| 03:42.00 | caverdude | let me check |
| 03:42.08 | stew | caverdude: what are you trying to do? send email? read email? fetch email? |
| 03:42.12 | danols | how do I clear my selections in aptitude ? |
| 03:42.15 | caverdude | send an email |
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| 03:42.20 | beardy | caverdude: sendmail compatible like most, answer stew |
| 03:42.21 | caverdude | is the command exim? |
| 03:42.30 | babilen | spersaud: the command is "python2.6 setup.py install --user" |
| 03:42.30 | stew | caverdude: its sendmail |
| 03:42.31 | caverdude | stew? |
| 03:42.45 | stew | caverdude: or mail |
| 03:42.53 | caverdude | well sendmail is not installed |
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| 03:43.05 | stew | caverdude: (its possible neither is installed in a "default" install, depending on what "default" means to you) |
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| 03:43.29 | caverdude | ya exem is not installed either |
| 03:43.35 | gbear14275 | ok... this is a stretch, but has anyone installed on a mobile pentium II recently? |
| 03:43.42 | caverdude | apt get? is the command? |
| 03:43.43 | apt | ...but get is already something else... |
| 03:44.10 | tensorpudding | apt-get |
| 03:44.12 | tensorpudding | not apt get |
| 03:44.15 | beardy | caverdude: The mail system needs to be configured too. Which version of Debian is this? |
| 03:44.20 | tensorpudding | the hyphen is required |
| 03:44.28 | beardy | Neither, it's 'aptitude'. |
| 03:44.38 | tensorpudding | 'apt-get install' installs packages |
| 03:44.38 | babilen | gbear14275: Why? |
| 03:44.47 | spersaud | babilen: Ok I think it works now .. root got ownership of the build dir |
| 03:44.49 | beardy | Cluebat. |
| 03:44.53 | caverdude | k |
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| 03:45.09 | babilen | spersaud: What are you doing? |
| 03:45.11 | gbear14275 | babilen: I'm running into problems installing on a tecra 8000 with an intel mobile pentium II 366Mhz processor... said the kernel could not be installed |
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| 03:45.27 | stew | gbear14275: what is the error? |
| 03:45.29 | spersaud | babilen: getting data from geoplanet |
| 03:45.45 | caverdude | crap how do I get the version of debian? |
| 03:45.58 | stew | caverdude: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:45.59 | gbear14275 | stew: I apologize have to step through the installer again... can't recall the exact language may be about 5-7 min |
| 03:46.01 | spersaud | babilen: how do I remove all of this stuff from the /usr dirs ? |
| 03:46.04 | spersaud | just delete ? |
| 03:46.05 | babilen | spersaud: No, I wonder what you are doing as you don't show me. Do you think you've installed it correctly now? |
| 03:46.09 | stew | gbear14275: which installer are you using? |
| 03:46.11 | caverdude | 5.0.6 |
| 03:46.14 | babilen | spersaud: no |
| 03:46.16 | caverdude | thanks stew |
| 03:46.17 | gbear14275 | stew: regular non-graphic |
| 03:46.27 | gbear14275 | cd-1 |
| 03:46.30 | spersaud | babilen: yes I think it works now, I can import resource |
| 03:46.33 | danols | pam-mount 2.* just creates a havoc on a stable system |
| 03:46.36 | stew | gbear14275: debian? what version? |
| 03:46.37 | danols | man that sucks! |
| 03:46.42 | gbear14275 | lenny |
| 03:47.10 | danols | aptitude suggestions look horrific |
| 03:47.28 | spersaud | babilen: how do I remove the stuff that I installed to the sys dirs ? or do I just leave it there ? |
| 03:47.29 | stew | danols: in what way does it create havoc? |
| 03:47.38 | babilen | spersaud: you should have never installed anything into /usr -- and given that setuptools does not provide uninstall (check that in #python, might have changed in the last months) you are out of luck. *Carefully* remove it manually. Did I say, carefully? No, let me say it then: *very* *reall* *absolutely* carefully |
| 03:48.03 | danols | i'll post a dpaste of my I think 4 screen of suggestions - this screen is really still confusing to me... brb |
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| 03:48.09 | spersaud | babilen: hmm .. |
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| 03:48.51 | stew | danols: show us the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libpam-mount" |
| 03:49.11 | babilen | spersaud: Please check with #python -- last time I checked setuptools was not able to uninstall -- that was one reason for pip/distribute and all that (one reason among many others) ... might have changed though and #python will know better (i'm there as well) |
| 03:49.22 | danols | stew ok |
| 03:50.13 | danols | stew I think you are apt-get god |
| 03:50.14 | danols | http://dpaste.com/350769/ |
| 03:51.05 | spersaud | babilen: thanks for all of the help |
| 03:51.17 | stew | danols: uhh, what did you do in /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 03:51.20 | danols | stew: version 0.44 lacks what I need - I need auto mount after openssh (sftp) session for specific users so I can jail them properly |
| 03:51.44 | danols | stew: a few things - for once stable was to old for django |
| 03:51.54 | danols | stew: need me to post it ? |
| 03:52.28 | caverdude | dang had some trouble with some proxy on my host for the install |
| 03:52.30 | caverdude | oh well |
| 03:52.36 | caverdude | I'll have to contact support I guess |
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| 03:53.08 | danols | stew: http://dpaste.com/350777/ |
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| 03:53.47 | babilen | spersaud: yeah, no problem. sorry that you ran into this (setuptools should default to --user or --prefix=/usr/local IMHO) -- The best way in my opinion is to use virtualenvs, distribute and pip. If you've just installed the files, you might have a window with the installation report open and you can see what has been copied where. Just hope that the installation did not change some .pth files under system control. pain in the arse if you ask me |
| 03:54.18 | stew | danols: i'm wondering what version of debian you might be running now |
| 03:54.27 | stew | danols: now much did you upgrade to testing/unstable ? |
| 03:54.53 | danols | i don't believe a lot to be honest |
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| 03:55.01 | danols | django is my web framework |
| 03:55.05 | danols | this is on DEV server |
| 03:55.10 | caverdude | is sendmail an smtp services I guess? |
| 03:55.14 | caverdude | service |
| 03:55.20 | danols | stew: any easy way to check |
| 03:55.24 | babilen | spersaud: there is also #distribute where tarek and the other distribute people hang out. they might be willing to help, not sure how busy the channel is right now at 5 CET though |
| 03:55.31 | danols | I always select 1000 pin priority if I can |
| 03:55.33 | stew | danols: apt-show-versions | grep -v lenny |
| 03:55.44 | danols | stew you are god |
| 03:55.45 | danols | brb |
| 03:56.33 | spersaud | babilen: I dont understand why you are so cautious about doing a simple rm -rf .. or is there more to this ? |
| 03:56.39 | danols | aps |
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| 03:56.53 | danols | stew: no apt-show or apt-show-version command found |
| 03:56.57 | danols | ? |
| 03:57.03 | stew | danols: aptitude install apt-show-versions |
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| 03:57.41 | babilen | spersaud: there might be -- but if you run "rm -rf /usr" you *WILL* wreck your system, which is why i asked you to be careful with any combination of "rm" and "/usr" |
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| 03:58.18 | danols | stew: k http://dpaste.com/350789/ what did that command do? |
| 03:58.20 | spersaud | babilen: heh .. right .. |
| 03:58.55 | babilen | spersaud: not saying that deleting the right files is not possible ;) |
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| 03:59.37 | stew | i'm suprised that python2.6 and python3.1 are in there with such a small list tbh |
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| 04:00.00 | stew | danols: that showed us what things are installed on your system which are not from lenny |
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| 04:00.39 | danols | stew: python 3.1 shouldn't be really be there since django dosen't support it but I always just did the minimal fuss aptitude would allow |
| 04:00.45 | danols | for non 1000 pin priority |
| 04:01.20 | danols | I only went out of testing if a functionality I needed was missing |
| 04:01.23 | gbear14275 | stew: ok got the error |
| 04:01.28 | danols | err s/testing/stable |
| 04:01.49 | gbear14275 | An error was returned while trying to install the kernel into the target system. |
| 04:02.05 | gbear14275 | Kernel package: 'linux-image-2.6-686' |
| 04:02.07 | stew | gbear14275: can you check the other consoles to see the error? |
| 04:02.16 | stew | gbear14275: by hitting alt-f2/alt-f3 ? |
| 04:02.19 | spersaud | babilen: what about things like django and so on .. should that be installed in the user dir as well ? |
| 04:02.21 | stew | i don't remember which would have it |
| 04:02.24 | danols | stew: but pam_mount throws some crazy 'suggestions' - do you have any suggestions from your experience ? |
| 04:02.36 | stew | danols: not without looking |
| 04:02.56 | danols | stew: what do you need ? |
| 04:03.17 | danols | stew: python 3.1 need for libapache2-mod-wsgi... so that's why I installed it |
| 04:03.23 | gbear14275 | yeah console 4 has a bunch of buffer I/O errors then, failed to fetch |
| 04:03.27 | babilen | spersaud: virtualenv! +pip (+pip resource files) +virtualenvwrapper +distribute |
| 04:03.55 | spersaud | babilen: where can I get more info on that ? |
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| 04:04.31 | gbear14275 | stew: also says Hash sum mismatch |
| 04:04.56 | gbear14275 | could that mean a read error on the CD |
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| 04:05.51 | stew | danols: oh wait, you are tring to install libpam-mount from testing? you shouldn't do that unless you want to migrate completely to testing |
| 04:06.03 | stew | danols: you should be backporting this if you can otherwise, /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 04:06.33 | stew | gbear14275: yes, it sounds like it to me, if you get a hash sum mismatch. does it say which device is causing the io errors? |
| 04:06.41 | babilen | spersaud: Check the cheeseshop |
| 04:06.49 | gbear14275 | stew: hdc |
| 04:07.01 | stew | gbear14275: do you know if that is your cdrom device? |
| 04:07.03 | gbear14275 | ...seems odd, only should be one hard drive... |
| 04:07.08 | gbear14275 | stew not sure |
| 04:07.39 | gbear14275 | stew there a shell command I can activate? |
| 04:07.45 | gbear14275 | er... execute |
| 04:07.53 | danols | stew: I have a backport aptitude source set up it's pin priority 950 - it doesn't exist |
| 04:07.55 | babilen | spersaud: e.g. http://pypi.python.org/pypi/virtualenv/1.5.1 (also check ian bickings page) |
| 04:08.13 | stew | danols: i know, /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 04:08.23 | danols | k |
| 04:08.32 | stew | gbear14275: "dmesg | grep hdc | less" ? |
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| 04:08.41 | stew | uh, dunno if less is there, perhaps you need more instead of less |
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| 04:09.27 | gbear14275 | stew: yup, Toshiba DVD-Rom |
| 04:09.31 | danols | stew: I'll be honest I read that msg before - it's is for advanced user I believe - last time I compiled from source was in genttoo in 2000 - that's what's required yes ? |
| 04:09.49 | danols | stew: eventually I need pam-mount 2.* on live server ... |
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| 04:10.02 | donvito | wich one is stable ubuntu or debian? |
| 04:10.12 | stew | danols: yes |
| 04:10.16 | danols | donvito: you need desktop or server ? |
| 04:10.20 | donvito | server dude |
| 04:10.21 | donvito | server |
| 04:10.23 | donvito | but with wifi |
| 04:10.24 | danols | debian |
| 04:10.27 | danols | both are |
| 04:10.33 | stew | donvito: debian stable or a ubuntu lts |
| 04:10.44 | donvito | ubuntu lts |
| 04:10.45 | donvito | 10.04 |
| 04:10.53 | danols | but ubuntu is towards end user debian for admins |
| 04:10.58 | stew | danols: its not really advanced. its pretty simple. i'd recommend it far sooner than I'd recommend mixing stable and testing the way you are |
| 04:11.16 | danols | shit ok stew |
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| 04:11.26 | danols | is there a link you can recommend ? |
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| 04:11.34 | stew | danols: or just move to squeeze, which we should release in a couple of weeks (/topic) |
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| 04:12.01 | danols | squeeze is testing yes ? |
| 04:12.07 | stew | danols: aptitude install build-essental ; apt-get build-dep libpam-mount ; apt-get -b source libpam-mount |
| 04:13.03 | stew | danols: squeeze is currently testing, it was frozen in august and baring some bad hard to fix bug coming up before then, it will be released on the 6th of february |
| 04:14.12 | danols | stew: ok how can I check what version of pam-mount it has ? |
| 04:14.25 | stew | danols: if you are going to deploy whatever you are working on sometime in the future, note that we'll drop support for menny around feb 2012 |
| 04:14.35 | stew | danols: apt-cache policy libpam-mount |
| 04:14.45 | danols | stew: and I believe from my reading I can issue an apt-get command to upgrade to squeeze |
| 04:14.57 | stew | danols: or rmadison libpam-mount (if you have devscripts installed) or http://packages.debian.org/libpam-mount |
| 04:15.32 | danols | stew: oh god I'm going to save this thread - a lot of new information to learn - and yes I've done my homework since my diff pin priorites |
| 04:15.40 | stew | danols: that's an oversimplification. you can issue a few apt-get commands and maybe have success upgrading to squeeze, or you can follow chapter 4 in the release notes and have an excellent chance of upgrading to squeeze |
| 04:15.41 | caverdude | is there a good free smtp serives? |
| 04:15.44 | caverdude | service? |
| 04:15.53 | caverdude | I may have to pay to use yahoo's |
| 04:16.20 | stew | caverdude: apt-get install exim4 ? |
| 04:16.28 | caverdude | let me try taht |
| 04:16.29 | caverdude | that |
| 04:16.46 | stew | caverdude: are you using a residential internet connection? |
| 04:16.57 | caverdude | no this is on my host www.gplhost.com |
| 04:17.21 | danols | caverdude: debian comes with one (someone shine in the name) however you will be auto marked as spamed - a lot to do with setting up a propert smtp - I suggest google apps for up to 50 users for small sites. |
| 04:17.29 | caverdude | [Connecting to atl.apt-proxy.gplhost.com] |
| 04:17.30 | caverdude | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.05 | caverdude | no I'm writing my own web app to send an email |
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| 04:18.33 | danols | stew: thank you for all your help - I was hoping to just get pam-mount to work but seems more to learn |
| 04:18.40 | stew | caverdude: is there a proxy configured in /etc/apt/apt.conf or /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/* ? |
| 04:18.57 | caverdude | uh let me check |
| 04:19.24 | stew | judd: build-dep libpam-mount --release squeeze |
| 04:19.26 | judd | Package libpam-mount -- Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7), libpam0g-dev, libssl-dev, cdbs, libhx-dev (>= 3.4), libxml2-dev, pkg-config, autotools-dev, libcryptsetup-dev (>= 1.1.2) [linux-any]. |
| 04:19.42 | stew | judd: versions libhx-dev |
| 04:19.44 | judd | Package libhx-dev on i386 -- lenny: 1.18-1; squeeze: 3.5-2; sid: 3.9-1 |
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| 04:20.18 | caverdude | stew, doenst look like it |
| 04:20.19 | stew | so that's one problem, you'd have ot backport libhx-dev first |
| 04:20.26 | caverdude | stew, I have a support ticket in for it |
| 04:20.28 | stew | and libcryptsetup-dev |
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| 04:20.52 | stew | caverdude: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy"? |
| 04:21.24 | gbear14275 | stew: I appreciate the diagnosis help. So I piped the full dmesg output to more and tried to identify where the errors started |
| 04:21.52 | stew | gbear14275: it really sounds like a problem with the cd (or the drive, or the cable connecting you to the drive, etc) |
| 04:21.59 | caverdude | stew ok in pm |
| 04:22.11 | stew | caverdude: what country is the server in? |
| 04:22.19 | caverdude | singapore |
| 04:22.39 | caverdude | well maybe not |
| 04:22.46 | caverdude | maybe atlanta georgia |
| 04:22.51 | caverdude | usa |
| 04:23.03 | nvz | haha |
| 04:23.37 | stew | caverdude: edit /etc/apt/sources.list ; replace the lines that have atl.apt-proxy.gplhost.com with "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main" |
| 04:23.49 | stew | woah |
| 04:23.59 | caverdude | ok |
| 04:24.00 | stew | they are proxying security.debian.org |
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| 04:24.05 | stew | that's bad |
| 04:24.10 | stew | caverdude: /msg dpkg lenny sources.list |
| 04:24.10 | caverdude | ah why? |
| 04:24.19 | stew | well |
| 04:24.34 | stew | i guess since they own the machines you are already putting ultimate trust in them, so whatever |
| 04:25.04 | stew | but in general a mirror of security.debian.org is putting a lot of trust into whoever is running the mirror, becuase it allows them to use replay attacks |
| 04:25.38 | caverdude | hmm |
| 04:26.12 | stew | caverdude: so you want at least two lines "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org lenny-updates main" |
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| 04:28.14 | gbear14275 | stew: would this mean anything? http://pastebin.com/ZkyCxTVG |
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| 04:29.12 | stew | gbear14275: its having trouble talking to a floppy drive |
| 04:29.19 | stew | gbear14275: do you have a floppy drive? |
| 04:29.47 | gbear14275 | no ... nvm... will work on the dvd drive.. somehow |
| 04:29.58 | gbear14275 | thank you again stew, I appreciate the time |
| 04:30.05 | gbear14275 | real quick PM ok stew? |
| 04:30.06 | stew | gbear14275: if you don't have a floopy drive, then i'd not worry about its inability to communicate with it :) |
| 04:30.45 | stew | gbear14275: a PM doesn't bother me, but its better here, since others can help/benefit, I reserve the right to disappear at any moment :) |
| 04:30.57 | gbear14275 | stew: personal nature |
| 04:31.05 | stew | oooh |
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| 04:31.33 | stew | feel free |
| 04:33.06 | caverdude | stew actually they fixed the issue |
| 04:33.14 | caverdude | they were quick |
| 04:33.19 | caverdude | installing sendmail now |
| 04:34.47 | caverdude | he issue was that you were still using an old DNS server in |
| 04:34.48 | caverdude | Tampa, which server we removed last November. I've set you up |
| 04:34.48 | caverdude | to use a DNS in Atlanta, which fixed it. |
| 04:34.52 | caverdude | ha |
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| 04:35.19 | caverdude | As I wrote you, editing /etc/resolv.conf fixed it. |
| 04:35.19 | caverdude | Thomas |
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| 04:40.35 | caverdude | hmm just sent a mail to my yahoo account |
| 04:40.40 | caverdude | it isnt showing up |
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| 04:59.38 | vpit3833 | hi, which package should I install to get Eclipse for JEE development on Debian testing? |
| 05:00.33 | caverdude | huh? |
| 05:00.49 | caverdude | just download eclipse from eclipse.org |
| 05:01.03 | caverdude | unzip and viola |
| 05:01.03 | vpit3833 | ok |
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| 05:01.43 | caverdude | are you sure you need eclipse? www.jedit.org is nice |
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| 05:01.45 | stew | vpit3833: by jee you mean java enterprise edition? |
| 05:02.07 | vpit3833 | stew: yes, apt-get install eclipse appears to install some other edition |
| 05:02.17 | stew | vpit3833: you want eclipse-jdt |
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| 05:03.34 | stew | oh, but eclipse depends on eclipse-jdt, so if you installed the eclipse package you already have the java stuff |
| 05:03.54 | vpit3833 | stew: dpkg -l shows eclipse-jdt installed |
| 05:04.37 | vpit3833 | this is my first time using eclipse, and I don't see server under Window>Preferences |
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| 05:14.44 | jemadux | my VGA is 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Manhattan [Mobility Radeon HD 5000 Series] |
| 05:14.44 | jemadux | the closed source driver or the open driver ? |
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| 05:22.57 | jemadux | my VGA is 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Manhattan [Mobility Radeon HD 5000 Series] |
| 05:22.59 | jemadux | the closed source driver or the open driver ? |
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| 06:11.45 | Ashhh | hi |
| 06:12.00 | Ashhh | I got this live image |
| 06:12.00 | Ashhh | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/iso-cd/debian-live-508-i386-lxde-desktop.iso |
| 06:12.06 | Ashhh | I'm using it right now |
| 06:12.17 | Ashhh | I need root access to mount a filesyste |
| 06:12.17 | Ashhh | m |
| 06:12.22 | Ashhh | how would I do that? |
| 06:12.27 | Ashhh | I can't find out the root password |
| 06:12.35 | Ashhh | crap |
| 06:12.37 | Ashhh | nevermind |
| 06:12.40 | Ashhh | sudo worked >.< |
| 06:12.42 | Ashhh | bye |
| 06:12.44 | Ashhh | thx |
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| 06:15.27 | grendal_prime | hey guys i got this goofy little android tablet thing. Id like to run an actual os on it. |
| 06:15.39 | grendal_prime | there is an sdslot on the thing... |
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| 06:18.57 | Dewi | grendal_prime: android is an OS, linux-based |
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| 06:19.11 | Dewi | grendal_prime: you are likely to need to upload a bootrom via USB to change it |
| 06:20.03 | Dewi | grendal_prime: you'll probably have more fun with a hacked android ROM than stuff written for desktop |
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| 06:20.39 | Dewi | grendal_prime: CyogenMod seems to be the most popular but I've never done any hacking |
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| 06:22.09 | grendal_prime | ok |
| 06:22.24 | grendal_prime | well its running a non google android |
| 06:22.36 | grendal_prime | any way to get the google repos in ito it some how? |
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| 06:22.53 | grendal_prime | i guess i need to ask xda or ...android people right |
| 06:23.12 | Dewi | grendal_prime: yeah, there's an xda web forum that seems to be at the centre of the community |
| 06:24.10 | Dewi | grendal_prime: the google package system is called "google market", but yeah the crappier manufacturers & telcos can block it |
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| 07:43.11 | sidRo | hi all |
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| 07:47.00 | Queops | Hello there. I'm in the middle of a Debian net install and by experience I know that if I let it install while my usb drive is the source of the installer it will install GRUB as bootloader. Therefore I'm stalled on the grub step and I opened a "side console". Any help to put the GRUB on sdb instead of sda? |
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| 07:49.55 | Queops | Did anyone read me? I'm not sure if I dc'ed or not lol |
| 07:51.22 | dondelelcaro | Queops: what about it? You can install grub to the proper device, and everything should boot |
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| 07:51.48 | dondelelcaro | the default now should be using UUID, so it shouldn't matter which device it's on |
| 07:51.49 | Queops | Oh maybe I wasn't clear.. I'm not profficient enought to know how to do that dondelelcaro |
| 07:52.04 | Queops | it's installing it on the usb flash instead of the harddrive |
| 07:52.07 | dondelelcaro | Queops: it's an installer option; it should ask you which device to install grub on |
| 07:52.34 | Queops | it doesnt :\ it says it doesnt encounter any OS and says it will install on the first hard drive |
| 07:52.39 | Queops | but the usb is the flash |
| 07:52.57 | Queops | hence I get boot rescue if I finish the installation and try to boot manually |
| 07:53.09 | Queops | usb is the first harddrive* |
| 07:53.26 | Queops | jesus im asleep, boot normally* |
| 07:53.36 | dondelelcaro | Queops: ok, do you know the device name of the correct drive? |
| 07:53.48 | dondelelcaro | Queops: if so, in the console, run grub-install /dev/sdb; or whatever is correct |
| 07:53.49 | Queops | yes I do, it's sdb instead of sba |
| 07:54.00 | sterna | that's not "use" that's "install" |
| 07:54.13 | sterna | sorry, wrong # |
| 07:54.33 | Queops | dondelelcaro: grub-installer right? |
| 07:54.35 | dondelelcaro | Queops: you may have to chroot /target; if grub-install isn't available first. I can never remember which is required |
| 07:55.13 | Queops | Hmm it gave me a wrong number of args error |
| 07:55.24 | Queops | Chroot? ok |
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| 07:57.37 | Queops | dondelelcaro: I managed it. it said something about using usr/sbin instead of sbin only but seems to have installed |
| 07:58.01 | Queops | Is there a way to check how it was setup? |
| 07:58.29 | dondelelcaro | not sure what you mean by set up |
| 07:58.38 | Queops | Oh, how it was... installed. |
| 07:58.58 | Queops | So i don't have to install this all over again lol |
| 07:59.22 | dondelelcaro | Queops: if you've already installed and grub just failed, you don't need to reinstall |
| 07:59.43 | dondelelcaro | Queops: you just fix grub (which hopefully you've just done), and then reboot |
| 07:59.46 | Queops | I know but it seemed faster at the time |
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| 07:59.53 | Queops | Allright let me try then |
| 07:59.58 | Queops | Thanks alot for the help there. |
| 08:00.00 | Queops | :))) |
| 08:01.13 | Queops | Oh I found the issue... if you actually decline GRUB there will pop up a window that tells you should should make the system bootable and actually allow you to choose the location .... /deskslap |
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| 08:02.38 | CruX| | hello all, I have m$ dhcp server. XP machines have IP adresses correctly assignet but linux dhclient is failing. any idea how can be this fixed ? |
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| 08:09.40 | vlt | Hello. On squeeze I'm trying to install php5 that depends on a "libicu38" pkg which in not available. Any idea how to solve this? |
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| 08:11.19 | vlt | sorry, I had a dotdeb repo activated ... |
| 08:11.24 | dondelelcaro | vlt: the current version of php5 won't depend on libicu38, iit'll depend on libicu44 |
| 08:12.27 | dondelelcaro | and that's only php5-intl which actually depends on it; php5 itself does not. |
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| 08:14.34 | vlt | dondelelcaro: Thank you. Works now after killing the (old) dotdeb repo. |
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| 08:18.25 | Kasreyn | when you get this "[111296.080529] nfs: server not responding, still trying", rpcinfo -p host and everything is ok. why does it take several minutes before the nfs is reconnected? |
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| 08:20.24 | Kasreyn | like maybe there is a command for kicking nfs into making a new retry? |
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| 08:34.07 | pythoned | Hi, does someone know a program with which I can edit pdf files? |
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| 08:40.04 | sidRo | LATEX |
| 08:40.13 | sidRo | or OO |
| 08:40.28 | sidRo | or not? |
| 08:40.41 | AimHere | Latex will allow you to create pdfs, not edit pdf files that already exist |
| 08:41.04 | sidRo | ok |
| 08:41.06 | sidRo | sorry |
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| 08:41.26 | jelly-hme | Kasreyn: you could experiment with intr, timeo and retrans mount options and see how they change the behaviour of an nfs client |
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| 08:42.03 | pythoned | I need to edit existing pdf files |
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| 08:44.23 | sidRo | pdfedit is good? |
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| 08:45.24 | sidRo | or gimp |
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| 09:08.19 | spal | Anyone willing to help me troubleshoot this issue: http://bugs.debian.org/611039 ? |
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| 09:11.16 | RichiH | spal: unless you find out _what_ option or setting is causing this, no one can, or will, help you |
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| 09:13.53 | spal | RichiH: how can I try to figure that? There are so many configuration files in home directory. Any idea about what config can mess with keyboard input? |
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| 09:16.12 | RichiH | spal: i don't use gnome, but unless X is doing this, you should prolly looks for files which's names and/or data contain "keyboard" |
| 09:16.21 | RichiH | did you try changing your keyboard layout? |
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| 09:17.37 | spal | i do change my keyboard layout using xmodmap but I did that manually by typing the xmodmap command in mrxvt (bash) terminal. |
| 09:17.57 | spal | i have been doing that for a year without a problem. Also, I am using Squeeze. |
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| 09:46.48 | Titosemi | Hi all! |
| 09:47.22 | Titosemi | I'm having a problem trying to write in a HD |
| 09:47.23 | Titosemi | mount |grep backup |
| 09:47.24 | Titosemi | /dev/sdb3 on /mnt/backup type hfsplus (rw,force) |
| 09:47.58 | Titosemi | . /mnt$ sudo chown root:root backup/ |
| 09:47.58 | Titosemi | chown: cambiando el propietario de «backup/»: Sistema de ficheros de sólo lectura |
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| 09:48.28 | Titosemi | also it says that the filesystem it's read only mode |
| 09:48.35 | Titosemi | any suggestion? |
| 09:53.38 | SPF | Titosemi: what language is that? Spanish? |
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| 09:53.51 | Titosemi | SPF: yes |
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| 09:54.50 | Titosemi | i am reading some posts, and someone pointed out, that he also have this issue when improperly shut down |
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| 09:55.11 | Titosemi | That's also my problem this is happening right after an electricity cut |
| 09:55.58 | joltcan | Titosemi: Have you done a fsck yet? |
| 09:56.36 | Titosemi | no, not jet |
| 09:56.47 | Titosemi | fsck it's interactive, isnt it? |
| 09:56.48 | joltcan | Titosemi: and hfsplus sounds very mac-ish, so I would suggest you do the fsck in a mac (well, I don't trust the native linux one for hfs+) |
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| 09:57.15 | joltcan | Titosemi: http://adminschoice.com/repairing-unix-file-system-fsck |
| 09:57.32 | Titosemi | joltcan: yes, it's the mac filesystem |
| 09:57.41 | Titosemi | joltcan: thanks |
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| 09:59.19 | spal | So far I understood that the offender for http://bugs.debian.org/611039 is in .gconf folder. If I remove it, I can log into my account in GNOME fine. |
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| 10:03.30 | peterrooney | Titosemi: also, might want to consider joining #debianppc |
| 10:05.43 | spal | where is the console based reportbug gone? |
| 10:05.52 | Titosemi | peterrooney: thanks for the tip, but the computer it's not a PPC :) |
| 10:07.23 | Titosemi | i'm just using that fyilesystem because it's the backup of a design study where the rest of computers are macs. So just in case, they can just plug the hd and work. |
| 10:07.31 | peterrooney | Titosemi: not a ppc, and with hfs+ ? |
| 10:07.49 | peterrooney | Ah. |
| 10:08.10 | Titosemi | hfsplus it's just the backup :) |
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| 10:18.27 | spal | sent an email to 611039@bugs.debian.org How long does it normally take for the new post to appear in: http://bugs.debian.org/611039 ? |
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| 10:19.13 | spal | seems like it has appeared already: http://bugs.debian.org/611039 This is how the issue got fixed RichiH |
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| 10:20.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess that answers the question |
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| 10:21.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | spal, don't use your regular email for this, though, except if the account has good spam filtering |
| 10:21.46 | spal | okay |
| 10:21.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | bit late, but... |
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| 10:24.40 | lera_zed | hello, guys. this morning on squeeze amd64 I found following in log - http://pastebin.com/NtP1M2uZ , ehm any comments to what problem could be related to ? so it could be localized and proper bug report filled |
| 10:25.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* |
| 10:25.53 | gnarface | could be practically anything |
| 10:26.08 | gnarface | can you find where it started? |
| 10:26.09 | lera_zed | it seems like its a common problem with locking in disk subsystem on linux post 2.6.32 |
| 10:26.29 | lera_zed | found pile of similar reports on google |
| 10:26.42 | gnarface | what causes it? |
| 10:27.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I don't see that it's doing anything |
| 10:27.43 | lera_zed | userspase process - epitomize |
| 10:28.06 | spal | I wonder why http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?submitter=susam.pal%40gmail.com doesn't list my old bug report #525523 |
| 10:28.12 | gnarface | i have a question: on the issue of xnest or xephyr; what is the actual difference? can they both attach to a running X server? does said server have to be xnest/xephyr as well? |
| 10:28.26 | Shadur | Argh. scponly in chroot mode refuses to work. I've cranked up debugging and the best I'm able to get from it is a "failed: /usr/lib/sftp-server with error No such file or directory(2)" |
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| 10:29.01 | ansgar | spal: The BTS only shows unarchived bugs by default. You can change it at the end of the page. |
| 10:29.07 | Shadur | I've googled and tried a few fixes that were suggested like adding etc/localtime and dev/null into the chroot jail, but nothing worked. |
| 10:29.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Shadur, probably some runtime library missing |
| 10:29.37 | spal | ansgar, thank you |
| 10:29.53 | lera_zed | ah its reported to debian already - #571242 |
| 10:30.08 | gnarface | nobody uses xnest or xephyr? |
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| 10:30.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | lera_zed, that happens a lot :) |
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| 10:31.33 | lera_zed | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, and the only solution at the time - do not generate a lots of io from what I see |
| 10:32.07 | ansgar | gnarface: Did you read the package description? |
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| 10:33.19 | gnarface | yes |
| 10:33.30 | gnarface | well sorta |
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| 10:33.42 | gnarface | i'm not sure i'm looking at the right xephyr package |
| 10:33.59 | MikeH | Hi guys, is it possible to dump a running process from memory? Something that shouldn't be running is running in sh, but it would seem the file has since been erased. |
| 10:34.00 | gnarface | wait no i am |
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| 10:34.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | lera_zed, well, it's being discussed upstream... |
| 10:35.07 | gnarface | ansgar: but what i want to know is: when they say xephyr supports newer extensions, what do they mean "supports" ... how well? |
| 10:35.44 | lera_zed | CutMeOwnThroat: I am joking mostly, thinking on how to reproduce it on local hardware, so I can kick around with test kernels |
| 10:36.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | lera_zed, producing loads of io with bonnie++ seems to be the way to trigger |
| 10:37.08 | Shadur | CutMeOwnThroat: Looks like it was missing /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 which didn't get added by the setup_chroot script for some reason. |
| 10:37.17 | lera_zed | heh I have epitomize in my hands with which I already succeed the problem is the speed of local hard disks - e.g they could be too slow to make this happend |
| 10:37.45 | ansgar | gnarface: I guess `supports' means you can use them with xephyr and they are not implemented in xnest. I don't know how well it works. |
| 10:38.22 | gnarface | ansgar: can you help me with my understanding of " Xnest is a nested X server that simply relays all its requests to another |
| 10:38.22 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:38.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | gnarface, you could make a factoid on xephyr, seeing as there is none |
| 10:38.58 | gnarface | does that mean i can start new desktops with it, or does that mean i can connect to existing desktops? |
| 10:39.07 | ansgar | gnarface: It's another, independant graphical environment that is visible as a window on your desktop. |
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| 10:39.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | gnarface, did you _try_ xnest? I think it would become quite obvious if you did? |
| 10:39.49 | gnarface | maybe? |
| 10:39.54 | gnarface | i read the man pages for both |
| 10:40.37 | gnarface | ansgar: so i *can't* connect to an existing desktop on another computer? |
| 10:40.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | and "newer extensions" obviously means xserver extensions... it lists some |
| 10:40.44 | ansgar | gnarface: No. |
| 10:41.00 | gnarface | oh |
| 10:41.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wayttd gnarface |
| 10:41.08 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, gnarface? |
| 10:41.08 | gnarface | i was thinking i'd use it instead of vnc |
| 10:41.23 | gnarface | i guess it does not do that |
| 10:42.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... I guess you could run it on one machine and show the window on another machine, but that would be much less efficient than vnc |
| 10:42.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, I never tried that, so perhaps doesn't work |
| 10:42.42 | UukGoblin | hmm, I'm having issues with this new v7 debian/rules file created by dh_make... I want to make a change like here: http://wiki.debian.org/ConfigPackages but there's no binary-arch section there... the file really only has two lines... how can I add removing of the conffiles file? |
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| 10:43.41 | gnarface | i'm familiar with forwarding displays of individual windows over X, for freshly launched programs, but what i was trying to figure out was how to do that for a whole desktop, one that was already running, so that i could transfer control of one primary display to a remote computer at any time |
| 10:44.00 | gnarface | you're saying vnc is the best way to do this? |
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| 10:44.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | pretty much |
| 10:44.13 | gnarface | alright |
| 10:44.38 | gnarface | which server/client should i use? |
| 10:44.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also NoMachine NX... which is not in debian |
| 10:45.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's supposed to be faster over a network... I'm using it right now and I couldn't say that there's a big difference compared to vnc |
| 10:45.45 | UukGoblin | any idea where I can find some documentation on the v7 rules format and how to tweak it? |
| 10:46.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | gnarface, depends on what you want to do... x11vnc connects to an already-running, actual desktop that is visible on the monitor, vnc4server starts your own purely virtual Xserver which you can only connect to via vnc |
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| 10:48.19 | gnarface | CutMeOwnThroat: for x11vnc, what is that? just a daemon you can start that you can connect to remotely? |
| 10:48.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | UukGoblin, why can't you just make a binary-arch section? do you think there's supposed to be none in any package? |
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| 10:48.39 | gnarface | CutMeOwnThroat: it's not a stand-alone x server of its own right? |
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| 10:49.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | gnarface, as I said... it enables you to connect to a running X-server... so that's what you want if you sat on that machine, logged out and went home and now want to see what is on the screen |
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| 10:49.43 | gnarface | CutMeOwnThroat: awesome, thanks |
| 10:49.51 | gnarface | actually i'm just going to the couch though |
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| 10:50.09 | UukGoblin | CutMeOwnThroat, I'm not sure... I'm assuming dh_make defines one itself somewhere and I might be overwriting it which could be wrong... |
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| 10:50.25 | UukGoblin | also, I'm not sure what's supposed to go into that section |
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| 10:50.54 | Shadur | ... |
| 10:51.33 | Shadur | CutMeOwnThroat: Now it's /silently/ failing - even at sftp -vv and debuglevel 8 all I'm seeing is that the connection is being closed, but no visible error. |
| 10:52.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Shadur, well, that's an improvement, no? None of those pesky errors anymore |
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| 10:52.46 | Shadur | CutMeOwnThroat: Now if only it actually /worked/ |
| 10:52.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | UukGoblin, did you read http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html#s-customrules |
| 10:53.04 | gnarface | CutMeOwnThroat: , ansgar: hey doe x11vnc have built-in encryption or should i tunnel it over ssh if i'm using wifi? |
| 10:53.19 | UukGoblin | CutMeOwnThroat, no, that's exactly what I needed I think, thanks! :-] |
| 10:53.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell gnarface -about x11vnc |
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| 10:53.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell gnarface -about vnc setup |
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| 10:54.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm... that factoid is named wrong... should be x11vnc setup, no? |
| 10:54.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, don't care much for that overenthusiastic end-sentence |
| 10:55.25 | gnarface | thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 10:55.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | strange, strange... I could swear I wrote the original/an earlier version of the/a factoid with the tunneling line |
| 10:55.54 | Shadur | I'm comparing a successful non-chrooted sftp connection output to the one that's going wrong, and the latter says something about "client_input_channel_req" and "exit-status" |
| 10:56.37 | gnarface | CutMeOwnThroat: so vnc is port 5900, and that's it? |
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| 10:59.32 | Shadur | ... GOT IT. |
| 10:59.54 | Shadur | CutMeOwnThroat: One of the other things the setup_chroot script is apparently missing is the proper creation of /dev/null in the jail |
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| 11:08.15 | RichiH | i want to try to run a command and unless it returns within X seconds, return false |
| 11:08.45 | RichiH | there has to be some tool i can call this with |
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| 11:10.16 | Shadur | RichiH: Try looking at the init.d scripts for -- off the top of my head -- mysql-server and bind9 |
| 11:11.13 | bolt | RichiH: timelimit is a tool which limits execution time. you can probably use that |
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| 11:40.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | RichiH, http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ -> possibly http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/068 |
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| 11:43.53 | masterkorp | hello |
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| 11:49.42 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 11:50.06 | AlexC_ | how comew when I do `curl google.co.uk` I get the HTTP response, but doing `curl google.co.uk | grep TITLE` I get the curl progress bar? |
| 11:51.19 | masterkorp | How do i remove a route ? |
| 11:51.48 | bolt | "route del" or somesuch |
| 11:52.21 | AlexC_ | masterkorp: take a look at the 'ip' commands, specifically 'ip route del' |
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| 11:52.54 | masterkorp | AlexC_: but what is the notation of the route ? |
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| 11:53.11 | masterkorp | i just say the ip ? |
| 11:54.18 | AlexC_ | masterkorp: man ip, or google 'ip route del' |
| 11:55.13 | vtts | masterkorp, use "ip route" to list routes |
| 11:55.27 | masterkorp | i got it thanks |
| 11:55.28 | vtts | then you can copy paste to "ip route del X" |
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| 11:58.44 | masterkorp | Is tmux is the repoositories ? |
| 11:59.11 | Ring0` | HI! I cannot find proper virtualbox-ose-modules for my debian -> 2.6.18-194.26.1.el5.028stab079.2 |
| 11:59.24 | Ring0` | it's output from uname -r of course |
| 11:59.28 | ansgar | masterkorp: packages.debian.org |
| 11:59.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | AlexC_, acts differently if it's a tty or a file? anyway, I do get the TITLE with that, but also the progress on stderr |
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| 12:01.14 | masterkorp | ansgar: i found it the web, but not in my repositories |
| 12:01.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | AlexC_, curl google.co.uk 2>/dev/null |grep TITLE |
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| 12:02.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | AlexC_, "man curl" -> PROGRESS METER: curl normally displays a progress meter during operations, indicating the amount of transferred data, transfer speeds and estimated time left, etc. However, since curl displays this data to the terminal by default, if you invoke curl to do an operation and it is about to write data to the terminal, it disables the progress meter as otherwise it would mess up the output mixing progress meter and response data. |
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| 12:02.55 | ansgar | masterkorp: What version of Debian are you using? |
| 12:02.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions tmux |
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| 12:03.20 | ansgar | CutMeOwnThroat: It's in backports and squeeze, not in Lenny. |
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| 12:04.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | ansgar, you're not judd! what did you do with the bot! |
| 12:04.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, wake up! |
| 12:04.50 | masterkorp | ansgar: debian 5 |
| 12:05.25 | ansgar | masterkorp: tmux is not included in Debian Lenny. You can however enable backports and install the package from there if you are not happy with screen. |
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| 12:05.55 | masterkorp | ansgar: i will wait for debian squeeze |
| 12:06.02 | masterkorp | ansgar: thanks :) |
| 12:06.04 | ansgar | masterkorp: See <http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/> for instructions. |
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| 12:07.39 | AlexC_ | CutMeOwnThroat: ahh ok, thank you :) |
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| 12:09.56 | superlinux | hi. does th IRC protocol support telling the OS the IRC-client is running on? |
| 12:10.16 | superlinux | telling the kind of the OS |
| 12:11.17 | gnarface | no that's what identd is for |
| 12:11.22 | gnarface | but everyone lies |
| 12:11.25 | gnarface | so it is useless |
| 12:12.20 | superlinux | I have troubles forcing arabs out of the box to type in arabic or read arabic |
| 12:12.27 | superlinux | thats why |
| 12:12.42 | superlinux | i mean on fun irc channels |
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| 12:13.07 | superlinux | what I thinking of is solving this problem once and for all |
| 12:13.25 | themill | superlinux: is this really debian related? |
| 12:14.05 | ethanol | more like troll related |
| 12:14.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | said the man with the alcoholic nick... |
| 12:14.33 | superlinux | themill, I can't decide.. I cannot tell which of which |
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| 12:17.07 | Ring0` | I contantly got error of too many open files, how can I check why so many files are opened and close them eventually? |
| 12:17.37 | superlinux | ok then bye |
| 12:17.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | lsof? |
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| 12:18.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | might be a bit messy, though |
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| 12:32.47 | daemonkeeper | "too many open files" is actually a virtual constraint. Systems define a hard limit of files a process can open |
| 12:33.03 | daemonkeeper | If you do not run out of resources you can increase that value |
| 12:33.18 | daemonkeeper | See ulimit |
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| 12:33.45 | stew | or man limits.conf |
| 12:35.07 | babilen | might still be interesting to see which process opens so many files, to decide if that behaviour is desired or not |
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| 12:35.49 | daemonkeeper | Ack. For daemons it nos uncommon to run into this barrier though. |
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| 12:36.42 | babilen | short google led to this perlmonk-fu: http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=350764 |
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| 12:39.13 | jelly | babilen: they could have added -n to lsof invocation |
| 12:40.53 | babilen | lsof -n|cut -f1 -d" "|uniq -c|sort -rn|head ? |
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| 12:41.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's set to 1024 open files by default, though |
| 12:41.43 | babilen | needs to be refined (lsof mainly) to only show opened files ... |
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| 12:42.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's per-user, I guess? |
| 12:42.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | or per-process |
| 12:43.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm... as different processes can have different ulimit settings for the same user... |
| 12:43.31 | daemonkeeper | Per process (including childs) |
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| 12:44.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | you sure it includes children? |
| 12:44.54 | daemonkeeper | Rather |
| 12:45.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | that doesn't seem to make sense |
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| 12:46.18 | daemonkeeper | Why? A child process inherits all of its privileges (including fds) from its parent. |
| 12:46.46 | stew | if you want to limit a process for security reasons, letting it reset its own limit by forking might be a little to easy |
| 12:47.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
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| 12:49.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe |
| 12:50.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I don't see how the kernel would then group the processes into groups with the same privilege |
| 12:50.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | except by having a separate list with those groups |
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| 12:53.16 | daemonkeeper | The kernel knows about process hierarchies anyway, so this is nothing it would have to "learn" |
| 12:54.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought each process just has a PPID |
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| 12:55.11 | daemonkeeper | Which is a pointer managed by the kernel, yes. Moreoever the kernel knows about process groups (for scheduling) for example |
| 12:56.12 | daemonkeeper | And those process groups are usually defined by inheritance, indeed Linus praised this a great new feature of the most recent kernel. |
| 12:56.16 | LongJ | debhelper+++ give me OP |
| 12:56.40 | themill | LongJ: do you find that works often? |
| 12:56.57 | daemonkeeper | Maybe it was worth a try :o) |
| 12:57.10 | LongJ | themill+++ sure |
| 12:57.41 | themill | LongJ: do you have a debian question we can help you with? |
| 12:58.18 | LongJ | themill+++ no |
| 12:59.01 | daemonkeeper | A quite annoying completion suffix by the way. |
| 13:00.10 | petemc | karma with every comment! |
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| 13:04.53 | grandrew | hi all! I want to install chromium-browser on my 'debian lenny' system |
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| 13:05.35 | grandrew | er.. continue-> is it safe to add 'sid' repository and just agree to make several upgrades to core packages alongside with the install? |
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| 13:06.02 | daemonkeeper | No! |
| 13:06.11 | daemonkeeper | Please don't do that |
| 13:06.17 | grandrew | ok :) |
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| 13:06.58 | grandrew | so no way actually to install chromium-browser? only upgrade the entire system? |
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| 13:07.49 | petemc | grandrew: look for a backport |
| 13:07.54 | daemonkeeper | I don't know about Chromiums dependencies, if they can't be satisfied by Stable, look for a backport |
| 13:07.55 | abrotman | isn't one in bpo |
| 13:07.55 | daemonkeeper | Yes |
| 13:08.48 | babilen | there is? |
| 13:08.52 | abrotman | grandrew: is it a fresh install? |
| 13:08.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions chromium-browser |
| 13:08.55 | judd | Package chromium-browser on i386 -- sid: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5; squeeze: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5; experimental: 9.0.597.45~r70550-1 |
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| 13:09.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | grandrew, time to try squeeze and report some more bugs before it is released? |
| 13:11.02 | grandrew | yes it is a fresh install. I am actually trying to install chromium on toshiba ac100 tegra netbook alongside with android os. I already have blackbox and firefox running |
| 13:11.28 | grandrew | but it seems that I've chosen the wrong debian release to play with |
| 13:11.36 | daemonkeeper | You may consider upgrading to testing, as this is soon to be expected to become stable |
| 13:12.06 | grandrew | ok thanks |
| 13:12.10 | daemonkeeper | This should provide you anything you need to run chromium |
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| 13:26.26 | spal | susam@nifty:~$ tones tone1.wav 2000 c3 |
| 13:26.26 | spal | [tones] Device or resource busy : /dev/dsp |
| 13:26.29 | spal | how can I fix this? |
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| 13:35.54 | abrotman | spal: find out what is using it? |
| 13:36.55 | spal | abrotman, lsof | grep dsp gives no output |
| 13:37.07 | abrotman | fuser ? |
| 13:37.18 | abrotman | it's likely another sound daemon .. or flash |
| 13:37.36 | spal | fuser gives no output as well |
| 13:38.02 | spal | but if something is using it, i should see an lsof or fuser output, shouldn't I? |
| 13:38.46 | themill | !list alsa users |
| 13:38.46 | dpkg | To see what processes are using (and perhaps blocking) your sound device: ps `lsof +D /dev -F rt | awk '/^p/ {pid=$1} /^t/ {type=$1} /^r0x74..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid} /^r0xe..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid}' | cut -c 2- | uniq`. Alternatively, fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer |
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| 13:45.21 | cast | evening all |
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| 13:52.14 | babilen | likes the "alternative" part of that factoid :) |
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| 14:10.43 | stew | !flw |
| 14:10.44 | dpkg | < busboy> hello, will it causes any problem to delete root account on the system? |
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| 14:13.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | 'tis a good question |
| 14:14.16 | dvs | I'll try it! |
| 14:14.35 | mactimes | sudo passwd -l root << I think this would be smarter. |
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| 14:17.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | pft... at least a lot easier to recover from than from a rm -rf / ... wait for it... ctrl-C |
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| 14:19.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | spal, not, if something is using /dev/snd/* and that blocks /dev/dsp as well |
| 14:20.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I guess you figured that after the factoid |
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| 14:23.21 | stew | also note that these days "rm -rf /" exits with an error :) |
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| 14:24.27 | petemc | is anyone brave enough to verify stews statement |
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| 14:24.53 | piklu | what does apt-get remove <package> does? |
| 14:24.54 | cast | $ rm -fr / |
| 14:24.54 | cast | rm: it is dangerous to operate recursively on `/' |
| 14:24.54 | cast | rm: use --no-preserve-root to override this failsafe |
| 14:25.01 | jelly | \o/ |
| 14:25.03 | cast | piklu: man apt-get, |
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| 14:25.25 | piklu | cast, please, am confused, since it does not removes proftpd |
| 14:25.54 | stew | petemc: :) i've verified it in a disposable chroot first, of course |
| 14:25.57 | cast | so should your question be "why doesn't apt-get remove proftpd end up removing proftpd?" |
| 14:26.03 | petemc | cast: that was as a normal user tho?! |
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| 14:26.12 | cast | petemc: it was! |
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| 14:26.40 | piklu | cast, so why does it not ? |
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| 14:26.48 | stew | petemc: http://paste.debian.net/105634/ |
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| 14:27.06 | cast | piklu: i'm not sure, run the command and pastebin the cmd and the output, would be a good start |
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| 14:27.50 | petemc | stew: nice, i should try it on a sarge box i have here |
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| 14:28.14 | stew | petemc: check the manpage for the --no-preserve-root option first, of course :) |
| 14:28.20 | petemc | :) |
| 14:28.35 | UukGoblin | hmm, is there a way for a package's postinst script to know the version of the package currently being installed? Perhaps there's something that could put that version number into the postinst script when the package is built? |
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| 14:29.18 | UukGoblin | or some environment variable? |
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| 14:29.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | it could parse changelog |
| 14:30.14 | UukGoblin | yeah, that's what I was thinking, but I don't feel like parsing it myself, there's probably a tool that does it already |
| 14:30.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | or even run dpkg -l... after all, this is _post_inst, so the old one is already gone |
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| 14:30.36 | UukGoblin | hm. |
| 14:30.53 | ecolitan | hello everyone |
| 14:30.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | but why'd you want to know that in postinst? |
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| 14:31.45 | Ring0` | Hey, how do I determine which linux headers should I download if my uname -r prints 2.6.18-194.26.1.el5.028stab079.2 |
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| 14:32.01 | UukGoblin | I'm creating site-specific config packages, which call a perl script that expands config files from templates. This expansion script would like to know the version of the templates it's being fed, so that it can keep track of changes |
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| 14:33.07 | UukGoblin | I kinda thought the package's version is the second argument passed to postinst after configure, but it's not |
| 14:33.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually it seems the status file gets updated after postinst... do dpkg -l wouldn't work |
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| 14:33.35 | jelly | Ring0`: that's an openvz/Virtuozzo patched kernel. If you're just a user of a single container in an openvz installation, you won't be able to load any kernel modules and therefore kernel headers won't be of any use |
| 14:34.00 | ecolitan | i'm trying to install debian5.0.6 onto a machine with a MegaRAID SAS 9240-4i controller, and debian doesnt see the disks. does anyone know if the drivers for this controller are avaliable in 5.0.8 ? |
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| 14:34.26 | jelly | Ring0`: it's also not a Debian distro kernel, so if you have access to the physical host, you'll need to ask whoever provided that kernel for the headers/sources. |
| 14:34.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | very unlikely, as that's the same kernel... |
| 14:34.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell ecolitan -about kmuto |
| 14:34.34 | Ring0` | jelly: It was required to install virtbox/vmware. It means that I won't be able? |
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| 14:34.55 | ansgar | ecolitan: For a new install you could also consider Squeeze. It is planned to become stable really soon now (in about two weeks). |
| 14:35.17 | ecolitan | thanks |
| 14:36.02 | UukGoblin | ah, found it in sources: parsechangelog |
| 14:36.08 | jelly | Ring0`: you won't be able to find the headers in Debian. Your kernel vendor might provide them. |
| 14:36.33 | jelly | Ring0`: so figure out where you got that kernel from. |
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| 14:37.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | also... that's pretty old |
| 14:37.49 | jelly | not really |
| 14:38.03 | jelly | that's based off a 2009-2010 RHEL5 kernel |
| 14:38.19 | stew | its a month old |
| 14:38.22 | stew | http://wiki.openvz.org/News/updates#Kernel_RHEL5_2.6.18_194.26.1.el5_028stab079.2_released |
| 14:38.26 | dkr | I'm trying to notify myself when a certain string appears in a log file (just as a quick temp debugging thing) so I was thinking to just do tail -f log | grep -qm1 foo && xmessage hi but I'm obviously missing something to make the tail -f exit too. should I just use perl -MFile::Tail? ;) |
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| 14:38.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | 2.6.18? |
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| 14:39.03 | stew | _194.26.1.el5_028stab079.2 |
| 14:39.07 | jelly | Ring0`: so that's where you might find the headers and/or sources, openvz.org |
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| 14:39.21 | Ring0` | jelly: thanks a ton! |
| 14:39.33 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: it's far removed from vanilla 2.6.18 |
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| 14:40.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems so |
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| 14:48.28 | Derick | Hello. I've just installed Debian unstable, and I can't figure out how to turn of sounds for "error movements" in GTk/Gnome apps (scrolling too far in a list f.e.). The terminal bell I managed. Does anybody have any pointers? |
| 14:50.06 | dkr | Derick: poke around the configuration editor |
| 14:50.12 | Derick | i am :-) |
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| 14:50.49 | dkr | never heard of such a silly feature myself, but I am on testing |
| 14:51.04 | Derick | k |
| 14:51.24 | dkr | maybe accessibility options |
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| 14:51.47 | Derick | dkr: already turned those off I think |
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| 14:53.09 | Derick | dkr: but thanks for the hints |
| 14:53.30 | rkhshm | while trying to install tcl8.5 i get this error.. E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'libnspr4-0d'.Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details." |
| 14:53.35 | rkhshm | any ideas ? |
| 14:53.47 | stew | rkhshm: show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 tcl8.5" |
| 14:53.53 | stew | rkhshm: (in a pastebin) |
| 14:54.12 | stew | rkhshm: err, add libnspr4-0d to that "libc6 tcl8.5" list |
| 14:54.23 | bolt | what does ls -C do? "list entries by columns"? |
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| 14:54.26 | bolt | what does that mean? |
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| 14:55.06 | stew | bolt: i don't know, is it the opposite of -1 ? |
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| 14:55.18 | rkhshm | stew: didnt understand.. |
| 14:55.32 | rkhshm | you want me to add libc6 and tcl8.5 as deps ? |
| 14:55.52 | stew | rkhshm: please run this comman "apt-cache policy libc6 tcl8.5 libnspr4-0d" and then paste the results to "http://paste.debian.net" |
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| 14:56.06 | bolt | stew: could be... |
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| 14:56.22 | stew | bolt: fwiw, ls -C -1 and ls -1 -C do opposite things :) |
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| 14:56.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt, I would have thought it's putting files in rows normally and -C reorders it to fill columns... but ls and ls -C seem to do the same thing |
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| 14:57.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, perhaps -C is just default behavior, then |
| 14:57.08 | rkhshm | stew: http://pastie.org/1496138 |
| 14:57.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you just got the switch to switch it back on if an alias or something disabled it |
| 14:57.49 | stew | rkhshm: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
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| 14:58.11 | rkhshm | stew: ok sorry |
| 14:58.16 | stew | rkhshm: or perhaps ##nexenta |
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| 14:58.24 | rkhshm | ok |
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| 15:02.51 | Makuew | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:03.03 | Makuew | I have like 200 proccesses of "a 23858 0.0 0.0 964 544 pts/1 S+ 08:47 0:00 ./ssh 100 |
| 15:03.03 | Makuew | " |
| 15:03.05 | Makuew | What is this crap? |
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| 15:03.58 | Makuew | 92.54.pscan.22 a amba mfu.txt pass_file pico ps ssh str vuln.txt |
| 15:04.03 | Seb | Makuew: looks bad |
| 15:04.07 | Makuew | wtf? |
| 15:04.08 | Seb | Makuew: time to reinstall |
| 15:04.27 | Makuew | The server is hacked? |
| 15:04.31 | Seb | oh yeah |
| 15:04.38 | LongJ | v |
| 15:04.47 | Makuew | Its a server i dont use. And no users is added on it. Only root |
| 15:04.55 | Makuew | and the password is 29 letters + numbers |
| 15:04.56 | Makuew | wtf |
| 15:04.59 | Makuew | no applications |
| 15:05.10 | stew | Makuew: this process is running as the user "a" ? |
| 15:05.26 | Makuew | :/home/a/.kde/.bsh |
| 15:05.28 | Makuew | is hes home path |
| 15:05.37 | Makuew | and yes, a |
| 15:05.47 | Seb | Makuew: maybe your awesome password got keylogged; could be anything, really |
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| 15:05.55 | Makuew | a 23955 94.8 0.0 1748 512 pts/1 R+ 09:05 0:08 ./ps 92.55 22 |
| 15:06.00 | Makuew | that fucker is ip scanning |
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| 15:07.23 | Makuew | so reinstall yea? |
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| 15:08.25 | dvs | arms the nukes |
| 15:08.27 | dkr | since you aren't using the server, that makes the most sense. would be a hassle to completely check everything for backdoors |
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| 15:09.04 | Makuew | yeah |
| 15:09.12 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.14 | Makuew | But keylogging? i have access to over 84 servers. |
| 15:09.23 | Makuew | I highly doubt that. |
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| 15:09.43 | dkr | you probably had something exploitable with an open port |
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| 15:10.07 | Makuew | but it was a fresh install with nothing installed. |
| 15:10.15 | Kasreyn | jelly: thanks. seems like the right place to start looking |
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| 15:11.11 | jelly | Kasreyn: that said, I haven't had much success with that tactic <g> |
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| 15:12.15 | Kasreyn | jelly: well.. the default timeout is probably 60 seconds. just wait a bit and the nfs reconnects all by itself |
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| 15:14.41 | jelly | and there're like 10 retries, each with a 60s timeout |
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| 15:17.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Makuew, well, you might want to look into those files (at least looks like files given as an argument) mfu.txt pass_file vuln.txt |
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| 15:19.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it used a vulnerability it's a sensible assumption that the scan to find further machines tries to find the same vulnerability |
| 15:19.34 | Makuew | yea, thats what it did |
| 15:19.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | or even use it in an automated way \o/ |
| 15:19.42 | petemc | Makuew: how fresh was the install? is exim installed? if so, whats the build date (exim -bV) |
| 15:19.57 | Makuew | petemc: netinstall of debian |
| 15:20.16 | petemc | thats a bit too vague to be useful |
| 15:20.27 | mordocai | Is there anywhere a list of what packages require a reboot in order for an update to take effect? I know the kernel packages, of course, but I was thinking there were a couple libraries that require it as well? |
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| 15:20.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | mordocai, name one |
| 15:21.14 | Makuew | xmlrpc was installed |
| 15:21.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, possibly udev |
| 15:21.17 | Makuew | thats about it |
| 15:21.49 | mordocai | CutMeOwnThroat: Well, I was thinking someone told me libc. |
| 15:21.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | mordocai, I think that would be a very short list... |
| 15:22.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
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| 15:28.45 | karlpinc | mordocai: Nothing requires a reboot, because you can always restart each daemon. However, packages like libc6 which are used by almost all programs don't restart each daemon when upgraded. So when something like libc6 is upgraded the easest way to restart all the daemons is to reboot. (Although it might be slightly faster to telinit 1; telinit 2;) |
| 15:29.10 | karlpinc | mordocai: libc6 is the only one I can think of. |
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| 15:30.15 | Makuew | y0 |
| 15:30.19 | Makuew | i read vuln.txt |
| 15:30.21 | Makuew | and it says |
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| 15:30.42 | Makuew | http://pastebin.com/3fyF5qNK |
| 15:30.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | "haha, tricked you, this file contains nothing important" |
| 15:30.47 | Makuew | what does that mean? |
| 15:31.00 | Makuew | Is it all hes hacked servers and user/pw? |
| 15:31.01 | Makuew | or what? |
| 15:31.02 | Makuew | haha |
| 15:31.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like a list of password/IPs |
| 15:31.41 | Makuew | I just tested one |
| 15:31.42 | Makuew | and it works |
| 15:31.43 | Makuew | :/ |
| 15:31.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | user:password:IP |
| 15:32.02 | Makuew | why would he put that there? |
| 15:32.10 | Makuew | or is it the scanner that found out? |
| 15:32.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | just using a small set of really stupid passwords(TM) |
| 15:32.12 | Makuew | and saved it there? |
| 15:32.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably |
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| 15:32.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | so as this is really primitive, one wonders how he got onto your machine |
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| 15:33.16 | Makuew | yea |
| 15:33.26 | Makuew | and its not smart of me to past all thoose user/pw on pastebin |
| 15:33.29 | Makuew | can i get in trouble? |
| 15:33.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, that wasn't so great |
| 15:33.47 | ansgar | They even seem to work... |
| 15:33.49 | Makuew | Deleted it now anyway |
| 15:33.52 | Makuew | Yes |
| 15:33.53 | Makuew | they work |
| 15:33.54 | Makuew | i told u |
| 15:34.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm not gonna try! |
| 15:34.02 | Makuew | its fresh once found by the scanner |
| 15:34.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | amazing... so many people using so many so stupid passwords |
| 15:34.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps honeypots? |
| 15:34.47 | Makuew | lol |
| 15:34.57 | petemc | people in being stupid shocker, film at 11 |
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| 15:35.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 15:35.24 | Makuew | and crap, if the hacked servers check their logs they will see my server? |
| 15:35.30 | Makuew | so i can expect legal issues? |
| 15:35.36 | Makuew | :| |
| 15:35.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | what I don't understnand, e.g., how can user "test" have password abc AND password aaa on the same IP? |
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| 15:35.48 | Makuew | hmm |
| 15:35.52 | Makuew | no idea |
| 15:36.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually the *.254.210 has 7 different passwords on the account "test" |
| 15:36.30 | Makuew | lol |
| 15:36.54 | Makuew | but damnit |
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| 15:36.58 | Makuew | how did he get on to my machine |
| 15:37.00 | pipeline | Makuew: no, it's usually too much work to track down the origin of attacks and sue people |
| 15:37.13 | Makuew | pipeline: okay |
| 15:37.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | pipeline, on the other hand, everyone needs a HOBBY |
| 15:37.54 | Makuew | oh yeah |
| 15:37.58 | Makuew | and theres a file named pass_file |
| 15:38.03 | Makuew | it includes like 50000 passwords |
| 15:38.04 | Makuew | and username |
| 15:38.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably to try |
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| 15:38.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that doesn't sound like someone got in via a very clever vulnerability |
| 15:38.37 | Makuew | indeed |
| 15:38.41 | Makuew | it seems like a kid playing around |
| 15:39.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, php is pretty popular |
| 15:39.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | <blink> crackers enter here </blink> |
| 15:39.52 | petemc | blink wont work in internet explorer |
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| 15:40.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh noes |
| 15:41.11 | dvs | oh yeses |
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| 15:41.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | petemc, function doBlink() { ... |
| 15:41.25 | Makuew | he dident login as root atleast |
| 15:41.29 | Makuew | so no idea how he got in |
| 15:41.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought there was no other user |
| 15:41.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, he's got user "a" |
| 15:41.50 | Makuew | Must be a vuln in xmlrpc |
| 15:41.57 | Makuew | he made that one, or i dunno |
| 15:41.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | let me guess... which has the password "a"? |
| 15:41.59 | petemc | Makuew: do you have exim installed? |
| 15:42.10 | Makuew | Yes |
| 15:42.19 | petemc | exim -bV says what build date? |
| 15:42.33 | Makuew | Exim version 4.69 #1 built 10-Dec-2010 14:25:50 |
| 15:42.45 | petemc | its not that, then |
| 15:43.17 | Makuew | I freshly installed debian true netinstall and did apt-get update. I then installed xmlrpc and rtorrent apache |
| 15:43.18 | Makuew | thats all |
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| 15:43.58 | Makuew | SCGIMount /rutorrent/RPC2 127.0.0.1:5000 |
| 15:44.03 | Makuew | in apache2.conf |
| 15:44.06 | Makuew | is that a vuln? |
| 15:44.40 | Makuew | Seems like one. Seeing as its not used |
| 15:44.43 | Makuew | and its still there |
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| 15:45.53 | Makuew | Anyone check out what http://smoser.brickies.net/lj/dlj158.pdf is |
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| 15:46.09 | Makuew | it was found aswell. its not a original .pdf file atleast |
| 15:46.10 | Makuew | :P |
| 15:47.44 | ansgar | Makuew: "16:10 < Makuew> but it was a fresh install with nothing installed.", "16:43 < Makuew> I freshly installed debian true netinstall and did apt-get update. I then installed xmlrpc and rtorrent apache". |
| 15:47.50 | ansgar | Makuew: *cough* |
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| 15:49.20 | ethanol | H4X |
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| 15:49.31 | ethanol | calls the internet fbiz |
| 15:49.49 | ethanol | Makuew, they will get to the bottom of this for you |
| 15:50.11 | jemadux | is there a frond end qt tool for apt ? |
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| 15:51.40 | ethanol | why you need a qt frontend? |
| 15:52.17 | babilen | https://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2010/Aptitude-Qt fwiw |
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| 15:52.36 | babilen | but there is also aptitude-gtk which is in the repositories and quite nice |
| 15:52.36 | txxt | !ical |
| 15:53.01 | ethanol | there is also Shaman or something like that |
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| 15:53.09 | txxt | what is the bot around here ? wanted to check some stuff on how to run a iCal server. tks |
| 15:53.48 | babilen | txxt: Then /query or /msg the bot. And it is indeed called "dpkg" (apt and other names work as well, see the channel webpage â /topic) |
| 15:54.06 | jemadux | i have kde i my system |
| 15:54.26 | frikinz | I partially remember a discussion among debian dev saying they want to remove all restrictions in pdf format (as incompatible with dsfg or gpl?) Does anyone remember this discussion and where it can be found? |
| 15:54.39 | tPl0ch | Hi, I have a somekind special request, we have a root server with a german hoster called 'serverloft' which is running debian lenny. Unfortunately the php5-memcache package contains a bug ( http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=576239 ) that should be fixed in the backports. Normally I just add the deb link sources.list and install it via apt-get, but somehow the new packages are not shown (I think it' |
| 15:54.39 | tPl0ch | s due to some weird config by the hoster). Now to my question: Did anybody probably have the same problem and might help me? thanks for any advice in advance :) |
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| 15:55.28 | ethanol | tPl0ch, upgrade to squeeze |
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| 15:56.16 | ansgar | frikinz: Mailing list archives for debian-devel on lists.debian.org, or gmane.org. |
| 15:56.18 | tPl0ch | ethanol, updating a running production server is not an option at the moment |
| 15:56.29 | ethanol | it's always an option |
| 15:56.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions php-memcache |
| 15:56.57 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'php-memcache' was found in i386. |
| 15:56.58 | ansgar | frikinz: And only some people wanted to ignore PDF restrictions by default, others to keep doing whatever upstream does. |
| 15:57.07 | stew | tPl0ch: there is no php5-memcache in backports |
| 15:57.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions php5-memcache |
| 15:57.24 | judd | Package php5-memcache on i386 -- etch: 2.0.1-1.1; lenny: 3.0.1-1; squeeze: 3.0.4-4; sid: 3.0.5-1 |
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| 15:58.00 | kaste | gday |
| 15:58.05 | frikinz | ansgar: ok. thanks. I'd be for letting users the freedom to use pdfwriter if they want to put restrictions. :) |
| 15:58.11 | kaste | we see a weird problem with one server that we don't understand |
| 15:58.18 | tPl0ch | ethanol, gnarr, 3.0.4-4 is only running with php > 5.3 |
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| 15:58.51 | kaste | /etc/nsswitch has an entry hosts: files dns |
| 15:58.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that means you could only patch the fix into the older version to get it running |
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| 15:59.24 | kaste | /etc/hosts has the servers ip adress under a fqdn but when we ping6 it locally it can't find itself |
| 15:59.27 | kaste | any idea? |
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| 15:59.45 | kaste | we only noticed because all of a sudden cyrus was unreachable via ipv6 |
| 16:00.35 | catsup | what is the ping6 error |
| 16:00.35 | tPl0ch | CutMeOwnThroat, yep, but I thought that I am not the only one ever to have that problem, so I thought probably I am lucky and somebody had this problem before |
| 16:00.38 | kaste | ping6 onto the ip adress works |
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| 16:00.42 | kaste | just a timeout |
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| 16:01.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | tPl0ch, what about increasing sizes as someone seems to have done in http://pecl.php.net/bugs/bug.php?id=14044 |
| 16:01.32 | kaste | it just doesn't seem to make sense at all |
| 16:01.54 | kaste | if the routing was borked or something then pinging the address shouldn't work |
| 16:02.01 | catsup | it says unknown host or what |
| 16:02.11 | kaste | no it just hangs |
| 16:02.37 | catsup | and does it resolve |
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| 16:02.48 | tPl0ch | CutMeOwnThroat, hmm, ok, didn't look into the pecl list, gonna try it and see. |
| 16:02.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | what do you mean exactly with "ping it locally" |
| 16:02.58 | tPl0ch | Thanks for googling that for me :p |
| 16:02.59 | catsup | just paste the command and output on one line ok |
| 16:03.49 | catsup | for all we can know at this point there's a typo in /etc/hosts |
| 16:03.56 | kaste | host gives the correct adress |
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| 16:04.28 | kaste | 2001:4ca0:4f03:1:2e0:81ff:fe63:c62e huygens.fs.lmu.de is the entry |
| 16:04.45 | txxt | babilen: thanks for your help! |
| 16:04.58 | kaste | ping6 that hostname and i get 151 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 150230ms |
| 16:05.03 | kaste | after i kill after some time |
| 16:05.12 | catsup | so it does resolve |
| 16:05.21 | catsup | jesus |
| 16:05.39 | kaste | what? |
| 16:06.11 | catsup | it resolves |
| 16:06.17 | catsup | hence why it's transmitting packets |
| 16:06.19 | catsup | to an IP |
| 16:06.20 | catsup | which it gets |
| 16:06.22 | catsup | by resolving the name |
| 16:07.24 | kaste | so thath means? |
| 16:07.46 | kaste | i mean i can ping6 it from some other computer in a different network |
| 16:07.51 | kaste | which makes it even weirder |
| 16:08.20 | catsup | are you sure it's resolving to the correct address |
| 16:08.45 | kaste | well host gives me the address configured in /etc/hosts which coincides with the output of ifconfig |
| 16:08.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | you say ping6 2001:4ca0:4f03:1:2e0:81ff:fe63:c62e on that machine gives you packages, but ping6 huygens.fs.lmu.de does not |
| 16:09.12 | kaste | yes and on top of that i can reach it from at least one other machine in a different network |
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| 16:09.23 | catsup | how did you compare the addresses |
| 16:09.26 | catsup | by eye? |
| 16:09.30 | ansgar | kaste: But not from itself? Maybe broken iptables rules? |
| 16:09.42 | catsup | ansgar: no |
| 16:09.44 | kaste | i'll check the fw |
| 16:09.47 | catsup | omfg |
| 16:09.50 | kaste | hmm why not? |
| 16:09.57 | kaste | ah crap |
| 16:10.01 | kaste | probably not our fw |
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| 16:10.16 | ansgar | kaste: And where does ping6 with the ip address work? Only on another host? |
| 16:10.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | because firewall rules don't care if you resolved it before or not |
| 16:10.25 | kaste | tru |
| 16:10.38 | catsup | ok i'm going to leave now |
| 16:10.45 | catsup | before i cut me own throat :| |
| 16:10.57 | sterna | sausage inna bun! |
| 16:11.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | catsup, care for a sausage inna bun? |
| 16:11.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
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| 16:11.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | opens his vendor's tray |
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| 16:13.59 | kaste | ok thanks for the help |
| 16:14.02 | kaste | catsup was right |
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| 16:14.11 | kaste | i diffed them there was one digit wrong |
| 16:14.26 | kaste | now i just gotta figure out why cyrus is flaky |
| 16:14.29 | kaste | thanks a lot |
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| 16:22.01 | jemadux | where is the ms fonts in debian ? which packages / |
| 16:22.17 | pipeline | msttcorefonts + ttcid-font-conf |
| 16:22.27 | pipeline | or is it xttcid-fontconf |
| 16:22.30 | pipeline | whatever you'll figure it out |
| 16:22.32 | pipeline | apt-cache search ttcid |
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| 16:26.43 | helo_ | i'm having trouble getting getty to allow me to log in. i type the username, and get no password prompt, just a "Login incorrect." after a few seconds' delay |
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| 16:28.03 | tPl0ch | CutMeOwnThroat, tweaking sysctl.conf did not help at all, but deinstalling the php5-memcache package and installing the pecl one helped :) Thanks |
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| 16:29.19 | jemadux | pipeline: not suck package |
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| 16:31.16 | spal | Is there any tool on Linux that can play notes: e.g. I would specify the input as c, d, e, etc. and the tool would play it as if it is a virtual piano? |
| 16:31.35 | abrotman | spal: rosegarden perhaps? |
| 16:31.38 | catsup | yeah... |
| 16:31.45 | catsup | more than one |
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| 16:31.52 | tharkun | apt-cache show nginx |
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| 16:32.15 | catsup | wtf did i use to do that before... can't recall :/ |
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| 16:44.23 | on3pk | I hav a debian powered vps, can i ask questions in here? |
| 16:44.55 | ansgar | on3pk: You just did. |
| 16:45.10 | on3pk | well, other thn thar |
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| 16:46.32 | tharkun | !tell on3pk about ask |
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| 16:47.51 | on3pk | heh, my concern was more about whether or not asking questions relating to VPS usage was acceptable in here... I guess so, though. |
| 16:48.20 | catsup | questions about anythign but ubuntu are welcome |
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| 16:48.57 | on3pk | Ohok. |
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| 16:50.56 | on3pk | welp |
| 16:51.09 | on3pk | I already forgot my non-root password... moving on though... |
| 16:51.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | catsup, I have problems with a girlfriend... |
| 16:51.58 | on3pk | I can't seem to ping any remote server.. :/ |
| 16:52.02 | catsup | CutMeOwnThroat: does she use ubuntu? |
| 16:52.06 | babilen | on3pk: log in as root and reset it with 'passwd LOGIN' |
| 16:52.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 16:52.14 | catsup | then what's the problem? |
| 16:52.16 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: Does she run on Ubuntu? |
| 16:52.17 | catsup | :p |
| 16:52.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 16:52.33 | catsup | looks at babilen |
| 16:52.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should have answered "then there is no problem" |
| 16:52.51 | babilen | scowls back |
| 16:52.52 | catsup | yeah that's what i meant |
| 16:53.17 | stew | why, is she focussing on being user friendly? |
| 16:53.21 | catsup | in my head it was intoned that way |
| 16:53.24 | g105b | Can someone give me a completely ball-park figure... if a server is hosting about 20 simple PHP websites (no massive framework), driven by MySQL and hosted in apache, how many MB ram would the server use .... ballpark figure? |
| 16:53.54 | catsup | she demands a lot of upgrades |
| 16:53.59 | g105b | I'm thinking 64mb, but is that really high? |
| 16:54.10 | g105b | 64mb each website sorry |
| 16:54.12 | jhutchins_lt | g105b: Depends entirely on traffic. |
| 16:54.27 | jhutchins_lt | g105b: I'd want at least 2GB. |
| 16:54.28 | DotHack | g105b: I´ve never needed more than 640k |
| 16:54.30 | catsup | g105b: the number of sites doesn't matter... |
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| 16:54.59 | catsup | g105b: they're all on the same mysql instance and the same apache instance yes? |
| 16:55.07 | g105b | catsup: yeah |
| 16:55.08 | stew | g105b: you can run it on very little. more memory will mean more performance, especially if you configure mysql to have a good amount of cache (if your applications are database intensive) |
| 16:55.33 | catsup | g105b: ok, then it is very unlikely that you need 64mb, but like jhutchins_lt said, it is all depending on total traffic (NOT on number of sites) |
| 16:55.43 | stew | and the size of the databases |
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| 16:55.59 | on3pk | Having 64 would give you room to grow, though. |
| 16:56.03 | jhutchins_lt | MySQL likes to get most of a gig for Drupal. |
| 16:56.03 | catsup | yeah that matters too |
| 16:56.07 | g105b | The reason I'm asking is because I want to set up a server for educational purposes, but only want to spend the bare minimum (without crap performance) |
| 16:56.21 | jhutchins_lt | 64M would barely run apache and mysql. |
| 16:56.22 | catsup | g105b: what hosting service? |
| 16:56.26 | on3pk | Is this a server you'll have physical access to? |
| 16:56.34 | rawtaz | does anyone know whether the UDP sockets with local port :123 in http://pastebin.com/FSSYyqhg are only for sending data, or are the accepting requests as a server? |
| 16:56.34 | g105b | catsup: rackspace |
| 16:56.34 | catsup | g105b: most hosts allow you to change such allocations |
| 16:56.42 | catsup | jhutchins_lt: 64M*20 |
| 16:56.55 | g105b | catsup: yeah, they do... but I'm trying to cost things out |
| 16:57.12 | catsup | well you can't do it based on that information |
| 16:57.17 | g105b | on3pk: no, only via ssh |
| 16:57.20 | catsup | did you create the sites yet? |
| 16:57.22 | rawtaz | its the 'ntp' package, and im unsure whether its listening for things or just have bound those sockets in order to send and recieve on then (self-initiated) |
| 16:57.28 | jhutchins_lt | g105b: If you're really tight on funds and the traffic's pretty light, you can start with a gig and see what kind of load it gets. |
| 16:57.28 | g105b | catsup: yeah |
| 16:57.41 | catsup | g105b: are they up and running now? |
| 16:57.55 | g105b | catsup: only on a local wamp server |
| 16:58.09 | g105b | catsup: I want to use debian lenny |
| 16:58.10 | catsup | so you expect more traffic |
| 16:58.15 | catsup | than you have now |
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| 16:58.26 | g105b | catsup: well, I'm getting no traffic now apart from me |
| 16:58.41 | catsup | well you should measure memory usage |
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| 16:58.53 | catsup | get another host on there to do some random shit that you think will be representative |
| 16:59.05 | catsup | and just keep in mind your db will grow |
| 16:59.18 | catsup | or just put the site up and see |
| 16:59.31 | g105b | catsup: hmm yeah I guess I'll just have to do that. |
| 16:59.51 | g105b | I was thinking of trying cherokee instead of apache, but I heard that cherokee doesn't allow PHP access to the filesystem? |
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| 17:00.15 | catsup | cherokee supports php |
| 17:00.37 | g105b | catsup: I know, but I think someone told me that cherokee doesn't allow file system access from PHP |
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| 17:01.15 | on3pk | Is it a good sign when dhclient hangs? |
| 17:01.15 | g105b | DotHack: how come never more than 640K? |
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| 17:02.15 | catsup | g105b: oh ok. i see. that seems unlikely. maybe a permissions thing. |
| 17:02.29 | catsup | i don't know about it though |
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| 17:04.24 | jemadux | why i take the message when installing a package :After this operation, 39.5 MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 17:04.24 | jemadux | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
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| 17:05.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | from what repository is the package |
| 17:06.57 | babilen | jemadux: Paste the complete output and command to http://paste.debian.net |
| 17:07.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, did the keyring stuff change? |
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| 17:07.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | the factoids seem to be changed/gone |
| 17:09.09 | jemadux | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/105651/ |
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| 17:09.48 | on3pk | Hmm... Is there any easy way to find out what the network gateway should be? |
| 17:10.28 | babilen | jemadux: Hmm, output of "dpkg -l debian-archive-keyring" ? (last line, in here) |
| 17:11.17 | jemadux | ii debian-archive-keyring 2010.08.28 GnuPG archive keys of the Debian archive |
| 17:11.36 | babilen | hmm, that version is correct |
| 17:11.47 | lera_zed | on3pk: in a case of ethernet output of tcpdump could give you food for thinking |
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| 17:12.24 | on3pk | "command not found" |
| 17:12.29 | babilen | jemadux: does the same happen if you run "aptitude update"? What about "aptitude reinstall debian-archive-keyring"? Does it still happen if you use a different mirror (e.g. ftp.uk.debian.org) and run "aptitude update" ? |
| 17:12.30 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
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| 17:12.34 | flock-_ | what could possible be this error: failed to open dir: Permission denied in /home/www/php/classes/Dir.class.php on line 11 Warning: scandir(): (errno 13): Permission denied in /home/www/php/classes/Dir.class.php on line 11 Warning: array_diff(): Argument #1 is not an array in /home/www/php/classes/Dir.class.php on line 13 Warning: |
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| 17:12.58 | babilen | flock-_: Your PHP (code) is buggy |
| 17:13.24 | dkr | http://wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartySqueeze none in the US yet? :) |
| 17:13.25 | babilen | or rather: (Your) PHP code is buggy :-þ |
| 17:13.40 | flock-_ | well someone told me that the dir I am trying to reach is not in directives of apache |
| 17:13.44 | Shadow` | turn off warnings, itll go away too |
| 17:14.32 | flock-_ | it starts like that (the warning) |
| 17:14.32 | flock-_ | Warning: scandir(/home/user/dir/): failed to open dir: Permission denied in /home/www/php/classes/Dir.class.php on line 11 |
| 17:14.51 | jemadux | nope i dont take any error babilen |
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| 17:15.24 | jemadux | when can someone be a member on debian ? |
| 17:16.06 | ElDiabolo | flock-_, Did you check file system access permissions? |
| 17:16.16 | flock-_ | no :x |
| 17:16.20 | babilen | jemadux: What do you mean by "nope i dont take any error babilen" -- What have you tried and what are the results? |
| 17:16.51 | flock-_ | ElDiabolo, the "site" is on /home/www/, and the dir I am trying to put on site is /home/somethingelse/dir |
| 17:16.57 | flock-_ | how can I put it working? |
| 17:17.10 | babilen | flock-_: What is wrong with /var or /srv ? |
| 17:17.17 | babilen | /var/www that is |
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| 17:17.45 | flock-_ | babilen, don't know the site owner have done it that way |
| 17:17.55 | stew | jemadux: by contributing to debian, then getting an existing member to advocate you, then you typically go through the "new maintainer" process: https://nm.debian.org/ |
| 17:18.14 | ElDiabolo | flock-_, This is actually an httpd question, its apache, is it? |
| 17:18.15 | jemadux | http://paste.debian.net/105652/ babilen |
| 17:18.26 | flock-_ | yes ElDiabolo |
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| 17:19.23 | babilen | jemadux: Well, that looks good. Can't tell you though what changed (Total number processed: 5 \n unchanged: 5) |
| 17:19.36 | ElDiabolo | flock-_, Check file system permissions, then try using a symlink |
| 17:19.51 | flock-_ | I dont know how to do it. |
| 17:20.11 | ElDiabolo | uuuh |
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| 17:20.37 | babilen | flock-_: You have to set the user:group of the directory correctly so httpd can read them. (www-data) |
| 17:21.14 | lcb | hi. someone please give me a place to copy the latest repositories for squeeze to add to my sources.list. |
| 17:21.14 | flock-_ | How I do that? |
| 17:21.59 | ElDiabolo | flock-_, Permissions can be displayed with "ls -l <dir_below>" , symlinks are created with "ln -s <original> <fake>" |
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| 17:23.10 | ElDiabolo | s tram reaches its destination. |
| 17:23.15 | ElDiabolo | bye |
| 17:23.37 | flock-_ | babilen, how I do that? |
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| 17:30.21 | rawtaz | guys, when using aptitude search, is there any way to see more information than just package name and the flags? i want to see at least the version of the package.. tried -v and -vv but no dice |
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| 17:31.09 | babilen | flock-_: ls -l /home/www/ (and subdirs) would be a start ... set permissions with chmod user/grp with chown/chgrp et. al. |
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| 17:36.58 | themill | rawtaz: the output is quite configurable, look at the -F option and see the aptitude docs (/msg dpkg aptitude doc) |
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| 17:37.12 | rawtaz | -F you say |
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| 17:38.17 | rawtaz | cool. there it is |
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| 17:54.37 | fbs | _F |
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| 17:57.54 | flock-_ | can someone help me fixing this: Warning: scandir(/home/gosh/test/): failed to open dir: Permission denied in /home/www/php/classes/Dir.class.php on line 11 ? the folder I am appoint is not in same user dir, maybe add to apache? |
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| 17:59.50 | rawtaz | flock-_: whatever the cause, you should probably look at that Dir.class.php file and see why it is trying to access /home/gosh/... i take it it shouldnt? |
| 18:00.09 | jhutchins_lt | flock-_: No, noone can help you, we have no idea what you are trying to do. |
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| 18:01.06 | flock-_ | Its easy. I have my website on /home/www. I would like that a page displays what files are in /home/otheruser/logs. But I believe that the second link is not configurated in apache. How I do that. |
| 18:02.03 | rawtaz | you dont have to configure any links in apache, just make the php code try to list the files in that other folder |
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| 18:02.20 | rawtaz | what you must make srue however is that there are permissions to do so, and apparently there isnt |
| 18:02.27 | rawtaz | and the reason for that can be one of many |
| 18:02.54 | flock-_ | well the folder is 777, and the php code is already pointing to there but gives me the error I've show above |
| 18:03.11 | rawtaz | could be that php is running in safe_mode, or has open_basedir applied, or the user that php/the webserver runs as doesnt have filesystem permissions to that other folder (it must also have permissions to enter the folders leading down to that path) |
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| 18:04.07 | frikinz | Does the debian installer include a repartitionning tool? |
| 18:04.19 | frikinz | can't remember and I have only one blank cd :) |
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| 18:05.24 | raz0 | frikinz: It includes a partition tool, yes. |
| 18:05.25 | frikinz | partitionning that needs to resize ntfs |
| 18:05.32 | frikinz | raz0: thx |
| 18:05.36 | raz0 | not sure about that |
| 18:06.21 | jhutchins_lt | frikinz: Yes. |
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| 18:08.02 | rawtaz | hm. installing tomcat6 fails |
| 18:08.05 | rawtaz | in squeeze |
| 18:08.16 | bolt | frikinz: does your collection of data contain a backup? |
| 18:08.34 | bolt | frikinz: always have one before attempting resizing, unless you care nothing whatsoever about that ntfs partition |
| 18:08.55 | frikinz | bolt: backup backup backup.. checklist.. no |
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| 18:14.53 | rawtaz | has anyone successfully installed the current tomcat6 (6.0.28-9) in squeeze? |
| 18:14.57 | rawtaz | its failing on me |
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| 18:18.33 | abrotman | failing how? |
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| 18:21.09 | jordanm | rawtaz: I would say everyone, otherwise there would be a "fails to install" RC bug |
| 18:21.34 | mns | I am modifying a debian/control file and a debian/rules file. How does the build system know what files go into which binary package ? |
| 18:21.46 | rawtaz | this is inside a container under openvz, maybe that affects things.. |
| 18:22.05 | jordanm | mns: depends on what you are using. if you are using debhelper, see dh_install |
| 18:22.09 | rawtaz | the installation log is at http://pastebin.com/m9JtbC34 - i have tried without -R as well but it fails anyway :) |
| 18:22.57 | jordanm | rawtaz: does your java work at all? |
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| 18:23.39 | rawtaz | jordanm: i havent done anything specific on that part; i reckoned tomcat6 would install java, and saw that openjdk and other things were in the list |
| 18:23.57 | rawtaz | ill see if i can verify whether java works or not |
| 18:24.06 | rawtaz | ooh |
| 18:24.11 | rawtaz | you might have hit the spot :) |
| 18:24.11 | mns | jordanm: thanks I am using debhelper |
| 18:25.23 | rawtaz | jordanm: i think its a resources issue. ill dig into this, thanks for the pointer :) |
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| 18:25.54 | jordanm | rawtaz: always keep an eye on /proc/user_beancounters when working with a VZ container |
| 18:26.00 | rawtaz | yeah |
| 18:26.08 | rawtaz | looking at it, i see the privvmpages hit the roof |
| 18:26.18 | jordanm | lack of RAM |
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| 18:30.24 | rawtaz | yeah |
| 18:30.39 | rawtaz | privvmpages are set to 500MB though (131072) |
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| 18:45.33 | jemadux | in which repo is the kpgp and cleopatra ? |
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| 18:46.01 | Tekk_ | what's the url for the main server? |
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| 18:46.13 | jemadux | ? |
| 18:46.27 | Tekk_ | deb http://packages.debian.org/ squeeze main is what I put in from guessing |
| 18:46.39 | jordanm | !tell Tekk_ about sources |
| 18:47.01 | Tekk_ | !tell Tekk_ about mirrors |
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| 18:50.00 | inthl | how can one disable that function within iptables or something so that a system does not act as a gateway or router? e.g. when a TCP packet is sent to a host, so that the host routes it to another target-host if you know what I mean. basically I think my system is being used as a portscan-bot by such manipulated packages, I got complaints about that and see no other possibility, I doubt there are rootkits or something installed on the system, socket acces |
| 18:50.00 | inthl | s in any way by its software is prohibited and should not be the cause |
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| 18:51.20 | jhutchins_lt | inthl: Unless you set up forwarding in iptables that's probably not what's happening. |
| 18:51.49 | inthl | is that something that may be set up by default? e.g. with sysctl or something |
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| 18:51.59 | jordanm | you could have ad a user account compromised |
| 18:52.09 | jordanm | inthl: no |
| 18:53.10 | inthl | I don't see unauthorized users |
| 18:54.00 | jordanm | unauthorized? |
| 18:54.38 | jordanm | a user account getting compromised does not mean they created their own user account |
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| 18:54.55 | inthl | hm sure |
| 18:55.10 | inthl | the complaint came in a few minutes ago, currently its just me on the system |
| 18:55.22 | jordanm | whats running? |
| 18:55.31 | jordanm | what does tcpdump look like? what does the server do? |
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| 18:59.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | is today breakin-day or something? |
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| 19:04.14 | humbolt | how do I tunnel more than one port through SSH? |
| 19:04.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | -L ... -L ... |
| 19:04.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | just give the option several times |
| 19:05.29 | inthl | erm |
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| 19:06.08 | inthl | after package analysis I can not find the IP which was mentioned in the complaint |
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| 19:06.24 | xreal | Can I sync my clock with a http server? |
| 19:06.35 | inthl | nor in the logs. so in fact my host did a portscan on another host and I don't know why nor can I track it |
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| 19:09.14 | HackeMate | hello |
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| 19:09.20 | HackeMate | what is better, Xrender or OpenGL? |
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| 19:10.00 | pipeline | HackeMate: xrender is an X11 extension to assist in the drawing of fonts |
| 19:10.04 | pipeline | HackeMate: OpenGL is a graphics API |
| 19:10.11 | pipeline | HackeMate: kind of an apples versus motorcycles comparison |
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| 19:12.00 | HackeMate | thanks pipeline |
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| 19:15.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | inthl, how come they sent the complaint to you then? |
| 19:15.44 | rasmuson | Is it possible to convert a ubuntu jaunty to debian squeeze just by changing sources.list? |
| 19:16.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | pipeline, are you saying you can't say if you prefer apples over motorcycles or the other way around? |
| 19:16.28 | inthl | I don't know, currently I am suspecting a SYN-ddos, several cookies are being sent by the system, the complaint says the source was _server-ip_port: 80 and the target is _target-ip_port: 2204-65358, so the source-port is 80 |
| 19:16.36 | inthl | I do not really understand how this is possible |
| 19:16.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | rasmuson, not if you have to ask |
| 19:17.01 | humbolt | CutMeOwnThroat: tnx |
| 19:17.24 | rasmuson | CutMeOwnThroat, what I'm asking is. Will it burn down my house, it will it just go smooth? |
| 19:18.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | rasmuson, bobbit |
| 19:19.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | !mixing |
| 19:19.20 | dpkg | mixing distros is, like, a bad idea. Running Ubuntu packages on Debian systems (or vice-versa) causes problems with package naming and versioning. Don't expect anybody to help you with your system if you do this. |
| 19:19.26 | rasmuson | CutMeOwn, as in Lorena Bobbit? |
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| 19:19.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | !bobbitt |
| 19:19.50 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Lenny, Squeeze, and any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 19:20.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, sorry, one t missing |
| 19:20.21 | rasmuson | dpkg, CutMeOwnThroat: hehe |
| 19:20.21 | dpkg | rasmuson: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 19:20.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | so... not burn, more lika "aaaa, ooo uuuh, where did it go, the pain, the pain" |
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| 19:22.09 | paxcoder | hey. does a word modem-manager mean anything to any unstable user these days? |
| 19:22.47 | rasmuson | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks I will do a reinstall then. |
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| 19:23.29 | paxcoder | been segfaulting for me. either that or libc. but i didn't touch it this time, i promise... |
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| 19:25.03 | paxcoder | i've tried dpkg -i'ng all of these: http://pastebin.com/stEZPadL with no luck |
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| 19:25.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | why don't you look where it's segfaulting in |
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| 19:26.01 | paxcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: it says libc |
| 19:26.28 | paxcoder | i think the final step is doing "vprintf" or something |
| 19:26.45 | homie | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.12 | homie | giving me a partially working system |
| 19:27.27 | homie | and pain with libs, not working and many collisions |
| 19:27.31 | paxcoder | home, i did no such thing, if that's what you're asking |
| 19:27.35 | paxcoder | *homie |
| 19:27.40 | rolandpish | In a debian squeeze box, after playing with ati proprietary drivers, I messed up the X. Now my system boots and gets stuck before showing the login window. How can I boot in command line to remove the xorg.conf file? |
| 19:27.56 | peterrooney | homie: that is probably why partitions were invented. |
| 19:28.05 | paxcoder | rolandpish: Ctrl+Fx |
| 19:28.19 | paxcoder | x={1,..,6} |
| 19:28.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | peterrooney, right... so you could have ms-dos and os/x next to each other...... |
| 19:28.51 | peterrooney | feels a stabbing pain behind his right eye |
| 19:29.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | err, not os/x |
| 19:29.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | wossname |
| 19:29.13 | rolandpish | paxcoder, thanks, but when the computer gets stuck, pressing Ctrl+Fx to switch to a virtual terminal doesn't work either. |
| 19:29.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | os/2 |
| 19:29.28 | paxcoder | rolandpish: o.O |
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| 19:29.54 | homie | yep, my problem was i wanted to test how portable programs compiled on one distro are, and moved previously from a chroot partition which was physically located on some other disk say my emacs compiled on lfs, to debian, and upon doing that discovering the needed libraries had to be ported too, etc..and so i did a full port to say.. |
| 19:30.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | rolandpish, linux-something-kernel single on the boot prompt |
| 19:30.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | should go to single-user mode |
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| 19:30.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | rolandpish, also, there's usually a kernelname-safe kernel... did you try that (can't remember booting into that, so not sure what it does) |
| 19:30.41 | peterrooney | rolandpish: when you reboot, choose "single" in grub |
| 19:30.45 | paxcoder | sigh. i guess a reinstall has been coming :-( |
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| 19:31.11 | homie | and for particualr programs it works even, but that's nonsense of course, on the next occasion the updates and packaging system overwrite the copied over libs.... |
| 19:31.17 | robokop | CutMeOwnThroat: single user mode |
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| 19:31.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | paxcoder, what do you mean "sigh" ... you said unstable... I thought that was the major kick one gets out of running unstable |
| 19:31.36 | rolandpish | CutMeOwnThroat, yes I also tried with safe-mode and same thing happens. That started to happen after creating a xorg.conf file, now I need to remove it :S |
| 19:32.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | rolandpish, single-user mode should not start X... all other modes will |
| 19:32.31 | paxcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: look out or you might get a major kick :-P |
| 19:32.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | paxcoder, only if you don'T get a kernel-oops first |
| 19:33.11 | bolt | you have to be able to get past grub to get that |
| 19:33.21 | paxcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: had that, reverted, than installed a newer lib, but didn't help |
| 19:33.23 | rolandpish | CutMeOwnThroat, oh! perhaps I'm wrong and I didn't choose the "single" mode. I'll do that immediately. |
| 19:33.36 | paxcoder | but if noone else is having this, i doubt it's due to the stability of the packages |
| 19:33.44 | rolandpish | peterrooney, thanks for your suggestion also |
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| 19:34.46 | paxcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: guess the funny thing is the kernel loads fine. the only thing that segfaults is the modem-manager, unfortunately needed for net AND gnome. |
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| 19:35.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh for gnome? |
| 19:35.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean gnome crashes because of that? |
| 19:35.28 | paxcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: for gdm actually. it freezes |
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| 19:35.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | what? for gdm? that's even crazier |
| 19:35.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is it supposed to do |
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| 19:36.03 | paxcoder | starts loading, and then the hourglass-thingy freezes. i can move the mouse, but it's stuck non the less |
| 19:36.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libc6 |
| 19:36.22 | judd | Package libc6 on i386 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze-security: 2.11.2-6+squeeze1; squeeze: 2.11.2-9; sid: 2.11.2-10 |
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| 19:36.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | how do you know it's caused by that... I don't think gdm even knows about modem-manager |
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| 19:37.38 | paxcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: the output on tty1 implies that. gdm starts loading, modem-manager segfaults, and then it stops. Might be a coincidence though. But hey, i can run cli tools, and even compile my proggies |
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| 19:37.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does it load that for |
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| 19:38.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's gdm3? |
| 19:38.16 | paxcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: i don't know |
| 19:38.35 | paxcoder | i can look, but the other pc's in another room |
| 19:39.10 | humbolt | shit, I have 100% cpu on my webserver and all it does is trying to serve one single website |
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| 19:39.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | you sure that's called gnome-modem-manager? |
| 19:39.47 | paxcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: the binary is modem-manager (no gnome in title). I can run it on cli, and it segfaults just the same |
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| 19:40.43 | paxcoder | http://pastebin.com/stEZPadL <-- no gnome here either. search in files for "modem-manager" yielded only that |
| 19:40.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | try uninstalling it? |
| 19:41.00 | paxcoder | (first result. the others are dependencies) |
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| 19:41.50 | paxcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: i told you i did try to install all of the above. but since i have no net connection, it's not apt-get install --reinstall, it's dpkg -i <downloaded_by_other_means>.deb |
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| 19:42.12 | mmm4m5m | Hi all. One question, please. Instead "sudo somebin", is there anything bad to wrap "somebin" in bash script like " somebin '$1' " ?... I did read about 'noexec' but this way looks more safe - I do not have to worry about all possible command line parameters of "somebin". |
| 19:42.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, check if it's gdm or gdm3 |
| 19:42.44 | paxcoder | goes off to check |
| 19:42.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg -l gdm gdm3 |grep ii |
| 19:42.59 | dpkg | No packages found matching gdm gdm3 |grep ii |
| 19:43.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, shaddup |
| 19:43.06 | dpkg | No, I won't, you shaddup, you |
| 19:43.15 | jelly-home | heheh |
| 19:43.30 | paxcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: 2.20.blah |
| 19:43.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm refusing to say "shuddup", it's stupid |
| 19:43.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | paxcoder, no, they are two different package names |
| 19:44.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | ii gdm3 2.30.5-6 |
| 19:44.13 | paxcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: want me to dpkg -s gdm3 ? |
| 19:44.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | paxcoder, no, dpkg -l gdm gdm3 # should show one installed one not? |
| 19:44.57 | paxcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: well dpkg -s gdm already showed it installed, so... |
| 19:45.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | default on a squeeze install seemst to be gdm3 |
| 19:45.09 | paxcoder | hmm |
| 19:45.17 | paxcoder | goes afk once again... |
| 19:45.58 | paxcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: *3 is not installed |
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| 19:46.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | paxcoder, allright... but actually neither gdm nor gdm3 depend on the package modemmanager |
| 19:47.00 | paxcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: *shrugs* |
| 19:47.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least that's what apt-rdepends says on my system |
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| 19:49.46 | geekie | How do I see what CPU I a using in debian? |
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| 19:52.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure what you mean |
| 19:52.23 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | cat /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 19:52.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh |
| 19:52.34 | geekie | I want to see if I have a 1ghz or 20 ghz intel or whatever |
| 19:52.54 | geekie | Ah thanks that's the one :) |
| 19:53.04 | geekie | model name: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8400 @ 3.00GHz |
| 19:53.17 | dvs | hides his 20GHz processor |
| 19:53.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | mind that the "cphMHz" number is the actual tact used, not the maximum possible |
| 19:54.01 | geekie | Yes thanks, I see it here :) |
| 19:54.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | righ... model name should be ok |
| 19:54.13 | paxcoder | reinstall yes! |
| 19:54.20 | paxcoder | -_- |
| 19:54.31 | paxcoder | maybe i should try out trisquel... naaah |
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| 19:58.03 | rgr | I want to use m-a to build a wireless module but its fetching the wrong unpatched sources. Is there a workaround. I cant find an option to tell it nOT to fetch the source so I cant just put the correct srs in /usr/src/modules |
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| 19:59.08 | xyan | rgr: m-a doesnt fetch sources if the specific tar.bz2 archive already exists in /usr/src/modules imo. just figure the filename out and rename your sources like that |
| 19:59.42 | rgr | ok will try that. thanks. |
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| 19:59.55 | homie | rgr: is it already unpacked ? |
| 20:00.02 | rgr | yes |
| 20:00.04 | homie | rgr: the kernel sources i mean in /usr/src |
| 20:00.06 | homie | ah ok |
| 20:00.07 | rgr | yes |
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| 20:00.27 | rgr | once more the mess that is wireless rears its ugly head. |
| 20:00.47 | homie | i'm so happy i don't have wireless |
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| 20:01.18 | rgr | it combined with proprietary bits that debian has hoofed out makes it quite a pita at times. |
| 20:02.21 | xyan | isnt it just the firmware that was removed? |
| 20:02.36 | xyan | and packages should exist in non-free so its not that bad |
| 20:02.43 | homie | i have similar problems with my graphics adapter modules, testing won't incorporate the modules my hardware requires... |
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| 20:02.59 | homie | i have to pin all my X packages to stable... |
| 20:03.04 | homie | and others too |
| 20:03.30 | homie | like kdm etc.. |
| 20:03.55 | jhutchins_lt | homie: So why mess with testing at all? |
| 20:04.05 | jhutchins_lt | homie: Have you reported the bugs? |
| 20:04.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | bobbitt |
| 20:04.38 | homie | not a bug really, the old drivers are in the process to be incorporated at some time in the future but don't know when... |
| 20:05.05 | homie | or at least that's what the package manager wrote |
| 20:05.26 | jhutchins_lt | Kindof important to let people know that the current software is unusable on your system. |
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| 20:14.29 | rgr | err, kind of obvious and preaching to the converted. |
| 20:15.01 | cahoot | that's true for most sermons |
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| 20:16.28 | rgr | exactly my point. sermon. |
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| 20:42.18 | crond | If I'm planning to install squeeze when it is officially released in February, and I have a wireless chipset that needs the broadcom wl drivers, will I need to make sure I have the driver .debs or whatever available on external media so I can get my wireless working? I saw something about all non-free things being removed, so I'm just trying to plan ahead. |
| 20:42.19 | rawtaz | can someone tell me why icedtea-6-jre-cacao is installed as part of installing tomcat6, when at the same time default-jre-headless and openjdk-6-jre-headless is installed? isnt icedtea-6-jre-cacao the same type of software as openjdk-6-jre-headless and shouldnt be installed since we already have/install openjdk-6-jre-headless ? |
| 20:43.19 | jhutchins | crond: One of the ways to figure it out is to make a new partition and install squeeze to that. |
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| 20:43.32 | jhutchins | crond: That or make a live rescue cd. |
| 20:44.06 | crond | jhutchins, ahh good point, thanks, hadn't thought of making a livecd. |
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| 20:45.24 | ajbourg | just curious if anyone here has any experience with repoman? |
| 20:45.28 | jetscreamer | what's the don't use diff when apt-getting factoid |
| 20:45.50 | jetscreamer | apt-get update rather |
| 20:45.54 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.58 | jetscreamer | thx |
| 20:46.01 | petemc | np |
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| 20:48.23 | jetscreamer | volitile is only for stable? |
| 20:48.23 | breardo | hello.. i just debootstrap'd a fresh squeeze install, got it booting as domU in Xen but cant login as root.... no clue what the default password is.. |
| 20:48.40 | jetscreamer | !i forgot root's password |
| 20:48.40 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 20:48.41 | breardo | i figured it'd have no default password, but that doesnt seem to be the case |
| 20:50.06 | breardo | according to the docs.. it should be empty.. |
| 20:50.10 | breardo | hmmmm............. |
| 20:50.11 | breardo | :) |
| 20:50.13 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 20:50.16 | jhutchins | jetscreamer: Theoretically backports, security, and volatile don't apply to squeeze because updates go directly to the main repositories, but post-freeze they start to be more meaningful. |
| 20:50.20 | petemc | chroot into it and set one |
| 20:50.33 | jhutchins | jetscreamer: I don't think anybody's started volatile yet. |
| 20:50.47 | daemonkeeper | breardo: Do you mean debootstrap or debootstrap using xen-create-image? |
| 20:50.49 | jetscreamer | there's a squeeze-volitile factoid |
| 20:50.57 | breardo | debootstrap.. no xen-create-image. |
| 20:51.07 | breardo | one sec... chroot/passwd may work :() |
| 20:51.09 | breardo | err :) |
| 20:51.09 | daemonkeeper | Then there isn't indeed none. |
| 20:51.18 | daemonkeeper | one |
| 20:51.29 | breardo | yet, i cannot login as root once I've booted that.. |
| 20:51.33 | breardo | one sec.. |
| 20:52.36 | breardo | yeah chroot/passwd worked.. doh :) |
| 20:52.37 | breardo | thanks :) |
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| 20:52.49 | daemonkeeper | Of course you can't. Default is "*" as password |
| 20:53.04 | daemonkeeper | That means there is no password, but you neither can login |
| 20:53.26 | daemonkeeper | debootstrap is not a complete installation |
| 20:53.29 | petemc | he bounced |
| 20:53.40 | daemonkeeper | Whops |
| 20:54.20 | babilen | good evening o/ |
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| 21:00.17 | Azrael_- | is it possible that debootstrap installed i686 and in chroot i lateron installed an amd64-kernel? (the kernel during the installation was amd64 but i didn't explitly set the achitecture at debootstrap) |
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| 21:02.37 | jetscreamer | anything major broken in squeeze that will block installation? xorg, kde, whatever... |
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| 21:03.27 | robokop | jetscreamer: see the buglist, that are the things that are bugged in squeeze |
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| 21:03.55 | robokop | i don't know of any showstoppers, but perhaps for your hardware + software choices there is |
| 21:04.04 | jetscreamer | k thx all i needed |
| 21:04.17 | stew | jetscreamer: kde xorg is not expected to change before release, if that means anything |
| 21:04.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | tias :) |
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| 21:08.04 | karlpinc | wonders if libreoffice will be in backports for squeeze |
| 21:08.56 | robokop | karlpinc: most likely after squeeze is released libreoffice will move from experimental to sid |
| 21:09.14 | robokop | karlpinc: and then backports might be a small step away |
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| 21:15.29 | diago | anyone running libvirt from backports? |
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| 21:17.09 | Some_Person | Is there any known fix for Epiphany's copy/paste bug? |
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| 21:22.06 | babilen | Some_Person: Which bug is that? |
| 21:23.02 | Some_Person | babilen: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=582544 |
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| 21:25.24 | babilen | Some_Person: Have you read the bug report? A workaround is described at the very end |
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| 21:27.51 | jetscreamer | what's this dependency-bases sequencing for sysv-rc .... do i care, or should i just let it do it's thing |
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| 21:28.22 | jetscreamer | s/bases/based/ |
| 21:28.30 | stew | jetscreamer: insserv is the package responsible, it parses the lsb headers at the top of the init scripts to figure out an ordering |
| 21:28.51 | jetscreamer | ok so let it .. works for me |
| 21:29.23 | stew | jetscreamer: there are some known combinations of packages that might require intervention, but it should "just work" in general |
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| 21:29.30 | jetscreamer | k thankee |
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| 21:29.45 | Some_Person | babilen: Temporary solution, but maybe I could script something up to make it a semi-permanent solution |
| 21:29.54 | stew | and who knows, maybe we'll be off it and onto systemd by wheezy time |
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| 21:31.32 | jetscreamer | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 21:31.41 | jetscreamer | same for LC_ALL |
| 21:31.46 | jetscreamer | clues? |
| 21:31.48 | babilen | Some_Person: Now that it is clear what the bug is, the fix will be incorporated eventually. How you deal with it in the meantime is essentially up to you. |
| 21:31.52 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
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| 21:32.17 | Some_Person | babilen: WIll it make it into squeeze? |
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| 21:32.29 | babilen | I don't think so |
| 21:33.06 | Some_Person | babilen: Well, then how I deal with it in the meantime will stay in effect for quite a while, right? |
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| 21:33.55 | babilen | yes, unless a newer version is backported. you do that yourself, you upgrade to, for example, wheezy, or .... |
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| 21:36.06 | Some_Person | Temporary workaround is in place and working. Thank you! |
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| 21:37.04 | Some_Person | I replaced /usr/bin/epiphany-browser with a shell script, put the modified libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 in /opt, and renamed the real epiphany-browser to epiphany-browser-real |
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| 21:37.58 | Some_Person | Not an ideal solution, but working |
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| 21:38.32 | babilen | yeah |
| 21:39.01 | blinki | Is there a way to change the kernel timer frequency without compiling a custome kernel? |
| 21:40.14 | jetscreamer | seems to me yes but i forget so ignore me |
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| 21:41.21 | rawtaz | if i run `rsync` in squeeze (just installed the package), after displaying all the help text, at the bottom there is "rsync error: syntax or usage error (code 1) at main.c(1428) [client=3.0.7]" on its own line. doesnt that look unexpected? |
| 21:42.09 | Some_Person | I really think that, if possible, this should be fixed in squeeze, especially considering that epiphany is debian's default browser |
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| 21:42.53 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 21:42.59 | jetscreamer | debian's? |
| 21:43.06 | jetscreamer | gnome maybe |
| 21:43.22 | Some_Person | Well, it's GNOME's default browser, so, by extension, also Debian's |
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| 21:43.48 | robokop | blinki: to my knowledge that isn't possible |
| 21:43.48 | xand | rawtaz: I don't know but it's the same on other versions |
| 21:43.58 | jetscreamer | well i've had gnome installed w/o having epiphany but i digress |
| 21:44.03 | Some_Person | Debian squeeze comes with epiphany and iceweasel by default, and epiphany is set as default |
| 21:44.09 | blinki | sucky. thanks though. |
| 21:44.26 | Some_Person | It can be changed, but having a browser with a major bug shipped as the default browser seems silly |
| 21:44.28 | jetscreamer | compiling a kernel is trivial though blinki |
| 21:44.55 | jetscreamer | did you file a bug report Some_Person ? |
| 21:45.05 | Some_Person | jetscreamer: Someone else already did |
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| 21:45.22 | blinki | oh I know, and know how to. just miffed that I have to. |
| 21:45.30 | jetscreamer | there's a 'i get this behaviour too' isnt' there |
| 21:45.46 | stew | i don't believe that saying debian has a default web browser of epiphany is accurate |
| 21:46.05 | jetscreamer | i didn't either but who am i to argue |
| 21:46.13 | rawtaz | xand: thansk for verifying. very odd indeex, never ever seen it before so its definately a debian thing as i see it (or a linux thing maybe) |
| 21:46.16 | Some_Person | What would be considered more correct then? |
| 21:46.24 | stew | Some_Person: that it doesn't have one |
| 21:46.33 | jetscreamer | shrugs |
| 21:46.40 | jetscreamer | that epiphany is fuxored :) |
| 21:46.45 | jetscreamer | j/k-ish |
| 21:46.57 | Some_Person | Ok, I'll just assume it's a GNOME problem then |
| 21:47.02 | stew | there are ways of installing that gets you epiphany, sure. also that get your konqueror, nothing but wget, etc |
| 21:47.35 | robokop | stew: i don't think wget qualifies for a browser |
| 21:47.42 | Some_Person | epiphany does have major problems, but I won't call it "fuxored" |
| 21:47.44 | jetscreamer | lynx then sheesh :) |
| 21:47.56 | robokop | lynx is one indeed |
| 21:48.02 | gpm | whatever |
| 21:48.03 | stew | lynx is priority:extra though |
| 21:48.14 | robokop | i know |
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| 21:49.34 | gpm | what's a browser that has priority:important? |
| 21:49.56 | blinki | jetscreamer: do you happen to know what the default frequency is set to with the stock kernel? |
| 21:50.00 | stew | gpm: none. wget is though |
| 21:50.02 | robokop | why would a browser be important |
| 21:50.18 | blinki | I'm getting errors thrown from freeswitch with regard to: switch_time.c:219 Timer resolution of 4000 microseconds detected |
| 21:50.22 | gpm | makes sense |
| 21:50.34 | gpm | how come they don't put priority on p.d.o? |
| 21:50.35 | jetscreamer | blinki: no, never did, even when i compiled stuff |
| 21:51.11 | stew | with Priority: standard, you get w3m |
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| 21:51.53 | robokop | blinki: 250 is default in debian |
| 21:51.55 | catsup | a browser is pretty important |
| 21:51.58 | stew | so a "standard install" (which maybe is the closest thing we have to a "default" install) w3m is your browser |
| 21:52.08 | blinki | k cool. ty |
| 21:52.32 | catsup | browser is almost as important as irc |
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| 21:52.53 | robokop | blinki: you can get the default config from /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 21:53.11 | catsup | like when you don't know what network an irc channel is on, you need to search on google |
| 21:53.13 | robokop | catsup: netcat is all you need |
| 21:53.20 | jstrunk | I am working on packaging ding-libs as a dependency for a newer sssd. ding-libs is version 0.1.2, but the 5 library packages I want to create from it have different versions of their own. How should I deal with this? |
| 21:53.25 | blinki | I checked /proc/config.gz :P |
| 21:53.29 | catsup | robokop: that's a real bitch with irc, heh |
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| 21:53.45 | blinki | muchas gracias |
| 21:53.46 | catsup | also, socat is the new netcat |
| 21:53.51 | robokop | catsup: irc is easier then HTTP/1.0 |
| 21:53.53 | lcb | hello. I'm trying to install some 'kept back' packages while apt-get upgrade, after a dist-upgrade lenny->squeeze. In order to have a 'mostly' clean system I got some dependencies problems. I appreciate any suggestions. Pasted at: http://pastie.org/1497481 |
| 21:54.00 | robokop | 1.1 i meant |
| 21:54.01 | catsup | robokop: you need to reply to all those PINGs |
| 21:54.06 | jetscreamer | so would i set these in /etc/default/locale? LC_ALL and LC_CTYPE (or was it LC_TYPE) locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
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| 21:54.12 | catsup | otherwise it wouldn't be so bad |
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| 21:54.14 | simonrvn | what key combo for compose is it to make a section symbol? |
| 21:54.21 | jstrunk | The sssd developers don't think the versions will converge either. |
| 21:54.43 | robokop | catsup: about 1 each minute, but stopping this convo because off-topic |
| 21:54.52 | simonrvn | tried compose ss but only gives me the schwabe à |
| 21:55.27 | robokop | simonrvn: http://www.hermit.org/Linux/ComposeKeys.html |
| 21:56.00 | simonrvn | thanks dude. i was hoping someone had it off the top of their head ;). |
| 21:56.31 | robokop | simonrvn: so, but i wanted to give you the list so you had something to read for the night |
| 21:56.37 | simonrvn | they had to make it non-obvious... |
| 21:56.46 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 21:58.09 | jetscreamer | waves@simonrvn |
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| 21:58.26 | simonrvn | hi jet |
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| 21:58.58 | robokop | lcb: looks like you have some pinning preferences on bpo stuff wrong |
| 21:59.37 | lcb | robokop« give an idea how to correct it. please. anything... |
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| 22:00.39 | stew | lcb: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" and the contents of /etc/apt/prefereences in a pastebin |
| 22:01.04 | lcb | stew, ok, 1 min pls |
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| 22:01.36 | quuxman | OK, I just hozed my system by installing and then running the hibernate command |
| 22:02.14 | cast | good old non-standardness |
| 22:02.22 | jetscreamer | you can bypass the hibernate start up sequence |
| 22:02.33 | quuxman | Now my boot process fails with the many repeated error of "/init: line 218: /bin/sleep: not found" |
| 22:02.34 | jetscreamer | tries to remember how |
| 22:02.57 | quuxman | jetscreamer: I've fiddled with the grub command line for about an hour, no success |
| 22:03.39 | quuxman | after that error it says something about "check rootdelay=... and root=..." and drops me in a BusyBox shell |
| 22:03.43 | jetscreamer | !noresume |
| 22:03.43 | dpkg | well, noresume is the boot parameter that you can add to your kernel boot command line so that the kernel doesn't try to resume back into your running session after s2disk. Be warned that you will lose any unsaved work and your filesystems will be left in an inconsistent state as you effectively crash the kernel. |
| 22:04.04 | quuxman | dpkg: thanks, I'll try that |
| 22:04.04 | dpkg | quuxman: sure thing |
| 22:04.13 | jetscreamer | !tell quuxman -about suspend troubleshooting |
| 22:04.15 | quuxman | jetscreamer: er, you're the one I should thanks |
| 22:04.23 | jetscreamer | thank the factoid maker |
| 22:04.24 | Some_Person | It would be nice if Debian could at least fix the back/forward mouse buttons in epiphany. There's a working patch on gnome's bugtracker for it |
| 22:04.36 | jetscreamer | !factinfo noresume |
| 22:04.37 | dpkg | noresume -- created by themill <~stuart@themill.user.oftc.net> at Sun Jun 20 21:10:06 2010 (219 days); it has been requested 6 times, last by jetscreamer, 53s ago. |
| 22:04.43 | jetscreamer | thank him |
| 22:05.44 | lcb | stew; robokp: http://pastie.org/1497519 (previous - http://pastie.org/1497481 ) |
| 22:06.24 | lcb | stew; robokp: oops, sorry, /etc/apt/prefereences is empty |
| 22:06.39 | jetscreamer | then ain't no pinning eh |
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| 22:06.56 | lcb | probably because i purged apache2, before upgrading to squeeze |
| 22:07.02 | quuxman | I think the problem may be more serious than a bad resume image |
| 22:07.24 | quuxman | adding noresume doesn't effect anything, and also I never saw anything on the console about loading a RAM image or resuming |
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| 22:07.54 | stew | lcb: i don't see a problem there |
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| 22:08.17 | quuxman | Now I'm noticing an "ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/{big-uuid} does not exist. Dropping to shell |
| 22:09.06 | lcb | stew« , i did this upgrade in order to (trying) to install latest zoneminder. do you think i'll have problems if i don't solve this issue before? |
| 22:10.07 | jetscreamer | ok well you could 'try' hitting the grub shell and using root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-whatever ro initrd /boot/initrdwhatever boot thing, quuxman |
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| 22:10.16 | jetscreamer | or have you |
| 22:10.29 | quuxman | jetscreamer: yeah, I've tried that many times |
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| 22:10.32 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 22:10.47 | quuxman | jetscreamer: I get a bunch of errors about files not being there that are definitely there |
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| 22:10.59 | quuxman | jetscreamer: and I get dumped to BusyBox |
| 22:11.03 | jetscreamer | they're not there if it can't see the partition though |
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| 22:11.11 | jetscreamer | not there to it, rather |
| 22:11.18 | quuxman | jetscreamer: yeah, it's like my hard drive disappeared |
| 22:11.28 | quuxman | jetscreamer: to the kernel... grub sees it just fine |
| 22:11.30 | stew | lcb: i'd recommend trying "aptitude -f full-upgrade" and see what it fixes |
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| 22:11.52 | stew | lcb: wait, did you ever apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 22:12.00 | stew | lcb: you aren't following the release notes are you? |
| 22:12.04 | jetscreamer | quuxman: it autocompletes if you type kernel /boot/vm<TABKEY> ? |
| 22:12.05 | lcb | stew, funny to know i did apt-get install -f for those two and didn't work |
| 22:12.42 | lcb | stew, sure, during the process (after changing sources) and after rebooting |
| 22:12.43 | quuxman | jetscreamer: yeah... and I can cat files that it's complaining about in the boot process |
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| 22:13.07 | quuxman | jetscreamer: it either dies with /bin/sleep not found, or Target filesystem doesn't have requested /sbin/init |
| 22:13.12 | jetscreamer | quuxman: did you add root= after the kernel? |
| 22:13.28 | quuxman | jetscreamer: yeah, I've tried various root options, but I'm not sure what it wants |
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| 22:13.30 | lcb | stew, no i didn't follow... probably is there something about this issue, i guess by your admiration :( |
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| 22:13.41 | quuxman | jetscreamer: I've tried the UUID={big_uid that is definitely correct} |
| 22:13.44 | jetscreamer | like, kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.35-2-686 root=/dev/sdg1 ro |
| 22:13.50 | quuxman | jetscreamer: and root=/dev/sdb1 |
| 22:13.52 | jetscreamer | or sda1 even |
| 22:13.54 | jetscreamer | ah ok |
| 22:13.57 | jetscreamer | nvm :( |
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| 22:16.21 | stew | lcb: the issue is that you've only partially upgraded to squeeze |
| 22:16.32 | lcb | oh :0 |
| 22:16.34 | jetscreamer | quuxman: things i might try after all that are: boot a cd with grub on it and try from that grub shell, boot some other linux medium (livecd) and chroot in, try debian installer as a rescue disk, or my favorite, nuke it from orbit and start over. |
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| 22:16.49 | stew | lcb: you can try "apt-get dist-upgrade" or "aptitude full-upgrade" |
| 22:16.57 | lcb | stew, because i did a safe upgrade firts? |
| 22:17.05 | lcb | first |
| 22:17.07 | quuxman | jetscreamer: yeah, I'll have to bust out my install USB key |
| 22:17.18 | stew | lcb: yes, which is good, but it leaves pacakges behind that need removals |
| 22:17.20 | lcb | stew, i see. thanks a lot |
| 22:17.32 | lcb | thank you stew! |
| 22:17.41 | jetscreamer | ^^rhymes |
| 22:17.42 | stew | lcb: and you did apt-get upgrade which also won't install new packages, just upgrade (unlike aptitude safe-upgrade) |
| 22:18.02 | lcb | i c. thanks. always learning :) |
| 22:18.29 | quuxman | jetscreamer: the problem is I don't know what to fix after I boot from a different device |
| 22:18.57 | jetscreamer | there's a chroot in and fix bootloader factoid .. hmmm |
| 22:19.11 | jetscreamer | tries to remember.. hint hint other people |
| 22:20.14 | quuxman | jetscreamer: usually what I have to fix is grub, but grub is definitely not broken |
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| 22:22.06 | lcb | stew: The following packages will be upgraded: cpp-4.3 g++-4.3 gcc-4.3 gcc-4.3-base libgcc1{b} libgomp1{b} libstdc++6-4.3-dev ||| after a couple removals :) |
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| 22:23.03 | quuxman | jetscreamer: I bet the problem is that /dev/sdbN just doesn't exist, and the device is somewhere in /dev/disk/... |
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| 22:24.06 | jetscreamer | it's not pata is it |
| 22:25.35 | quuxman | jetscreamer: it's a flash drive.. I don't know what kind of device it is. Should've checked that before I broke it (new laptop |
| 22:25.37 | quuxman | ) |
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| 22:27.08 | quuxman | I am so not in the mood to start over :-P |
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| 22:27.33 | quuxman | but it'd be a lot cleaner the second time around |
| 22:27.39 | SparFux | Hi all. In Debian apache, how do I add a directory /home/user/pu to the VirtualHost :*.80 to be able to access it? |
| 22:28.31 | jetscreamer | quuxman: beyond my meager skills, i'm fresh out of ideas |
| 22:28.42 | SparFux | Can I use /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/01-pu and put http://pastebin.com/9MG0kDwC in? |
| 22:28.57 | DanDare | Hello. Installed 'Cacti' to monitor network traffic and it works greatly. I want to know now wich type of connections are producing traffic. as example I have an ammount of incomming data between 10:20AM and 10:25AM I want to discover. I checked already apache logs but detected nothing. Where should I start? Theres any tool that show me such data in a human readable reasonable way ? |
| 22:29.31 | vtts | SparFux, do you want it as a default virtual host? |
| 22:29.49 | SparFux | vtts: yes. |
| 22:29.58 | quuxman | why do thoe UUIDs have to be so damn long? |
| 22:30.02 | quuxman | :-P |
| 22:30.06 | SparFux | vtts: I just want it to be another accessible dir from any ipp address. |
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| 22:30.34 | SparFux | vtts: with /usr/share/docs it seems to work, but not for my /home/user/pu |
| 22:30.52 | vtts | SparFux, are there any other virtual hosts enabled (debian default)? |
| 22:31.04 | SparFux | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:31.15 | vtts | DanDare, do you know netflow? |
| 22:31.32 | DanDare | vtts, I dont. I will check this right now |
| 22:31.41 | SparFux | vtts: there are other additions to :*.80 though. |
| 22:32.30 | DanDare | looks that netflow is a protocol |
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| 22:32.42 | SparFux | vtts: why doesn't my pu work, but the docs dir does? |
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| 22:33.01 | vtts | SparFux, have you looked at the error_log ? |
| 22:33.15 | SparFux | yes. [error] [client 127.0.0.1] File does not exist: /var/www/pu |
| 22:33.24 | SparFux | The alias does not seem to work. |
| 22:33.38 | vtts | SparFux, try disabling debian default site |
| 22:33.46 | DanDare | so netflow analyser ? |
| 22:33.50 | SparFux | vtts: how that? |
| 22:34.01 | vtts | SparFux, a2dissite default |
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| 22:34.19 | SparFux | ah. |
| 22:34.23 | SparFux | deleting 000-default |
| 22:34.39 | vtts | DanDare, yes netflow is a protocol. there are tools to use it |
| 22:34.42 | SparFux | vtts: now it says [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (13)Permission denied: access to /pu/index.htm denied |
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| 22:34.59 | DanDare | vtts, can you recommend anny you tested ? |
| 22:35.10 | vtts | DanDare, it could collect/export network data for you |
| 22:35.11 | DanDare | Im looking here, for now just saw paid ones |
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| 22:35.36 | vtts | DanDare, for analysis nfdump/nfsen are very good |
| 22:35.54 | karuru | hi, is it possible to run multible upnp media servers like mediatomb on one debian server? |
| 22:35.56 | vtts | for collection... well we usualy collect the data from the routers |
| 22:36.02 | DanDare | allright, thank you |
| 22:36.11 | SparFux | But it's really the same as in /usr/share/docs! |
| 22:36.13 | DanDare | vtts, its an VPS what i have here |
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| 22:36.54 | vtts | DanDare, well it might be a bit of a overkill for you, but it's a starting point :) |
| 22:37.11 | DanDare | vtts, its no problem i must start from somewhere :) |
| 22:37.34 | SparFux | vtts: Why does the Alias affect /usr/share/docs, but not /home/user/pu ? |
| 22:37.57 | vtts | SparFux, compare your config with debian default |
| 22:37.59 | DanDare | Anyway.. (near) everything is logged in linux boxes. Theres any standart logs about traffic? Like stuff passing trought interfaces e.g. ? |
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| 22:38.18 | vtts | SparFux, add missing values like DocumentRoot, etc. |
| 22:38.45 | vtts | DanDare, you could log traffic with iptables/netfilter |
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| 22:38.59 | DanDare | vtts, right |
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| 22:39.01 | vtts | but the analysis part would be a bit complicated |
| 22:39.10 | DanDare | yeah I can imagine |
| 22:40.08 | vtts | but still doable, depends on how often you will need to look back at the traffic |
| 22:40.19 | SparFux | vtts: I just copied 000-default and changed docs to pu, but still I get [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (13)Permission denied: access to /pu/index.htm denied |
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| 22:40.59 | vtts | SparFux, well, check the permissions (does www-data has access to the dir/file?) |
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| 22:41.12 | SparFux | vtts: yes it does. |
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| 22:41.27 | remur_030 | Hi, I have a xen virtual server that is fixed to a 2.6.18 |
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| 22:41.32 | SparFux | vtts: plus, it should just give me a listing. |
| 22:41.41 | remur_030 | kernel, so the squeeze udev doesn't work and I had to delete it |
| 22:41.58 | remur_030 | but now when I modprobe tun there is no /dev/net/tun ? |
| 22:42.00 | SparFux | where can I see the full apache config file? |
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| 22:42.15 | DanDare | vtts, this is interesting http://www.swinog.ch/meetings/swinog12/nfdump_swinog12.pdf |
| 22:42.27 | vtts | SparFux, are you trying to access it from a localhost ? |
| 22:42.42 | SparFux | yes. |
| 22:42.53 | SparFux | and it works with docs. |
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| 22:43.33 | SparFux | I always got this. As soon as it gets to web, java, tomcat whatever, nothing, absolutely nothing works as expected or at all! |
| 22:43.37 | vtts | SparFux, what are the file permissions? |
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| 22:44.00 | DanDare | can I have netflow working and collecting data just in the O.S. layer? I mean "attached" to a interface and not to a router e.g. ? |
| 22:44.19 | vtts | DanDare, yes |
| 22:44.21 | SparFux | -rw-r--r-- 1 www-data www-data 0 2011-01-25 23:44 index.html |
| 22:44.35 | vtts | SparFux, and for the dirs? |
| 22:44.36 | DanDare | sounds promising |
| 22:44.36 | SparFux | vtts: but really, it should display a directory listing like with /usr/share/docs |
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| 22:44.48 | SparFux | vtts: ohhhhhhhhhh |
| 22:45.23 | DanDare | yeah, sounds it can be done with nfdump you pointed me |
| 22:45.46 | quuxman | jetscreamer: so I booted the install system, and I'm just installing the core system on top of the old file system, and hopefully that will fix it |
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| 22:47.24 | SparFux | vtts: the dir was 700 :-( |
| 22:47.29 | SparFux | vtts: thx for the help. |
| 22:47.45 | tonytraductor | how bad is it if I just accidentally/inadvertently erased the file ~/.kerneloops ? |
| 22:48.37 | KB1JWQ | tonytraductor: You're kidding. |
| 22:48.43 | tonytraductor | no, not kidding.... |
| 22:48.58 | tonytraductor | nothing bad seems to have happened yet, but, for some reason, I imagine that file had some kind of importance |
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| 22:49.23 | babilen | tonytraductor: Nothing in your home directory is important (for the system at least) |
| 22:49.29 | tonytraductor | the file is still there, just, I opened it in a text editor, cleared the editor, and, inadvertently, saved the file as a blank file |
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| 22:49.55 | babilen | tonytraductor: so, its contents are gone now. do you miss it? |
| 22:49.59 | tonytraductor | not in gedit or something that make a backup, either |
| 22:50.07 | tonytraductor | do I miss it? not really |
| 22:50.12 | tonytraductor | we didn't really know each other well |
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| 22:50.23 | babilen | tonytraductor: what bad things do you expect to happen? |
| 22:50.25 | tonytraductor | but, I'm wondering if that content may have somehow been important |
| 22:50.30 | tonytraductor | I don't know |
| 22:50.46 | vtts | tonytraductor, it's nothing vital, just some debuging data about crashes |
| 22:50.48 | babilen | tonytraductor: as i said: nothing in your home directory is important |
| 22:50.49 | tonytraductor | .anything files in /home are usually there for a reason, so I was just a bit worried |
| 22:51.00 | tonytraductor | well, maybe not important to YOU! |
| 22:51.15 | tonytraductor | but my large collection of Larissa Riquelme photos is EXTREMELY important to ME |
| 22:51.28 | tonytraductor | :p |
| 22:51.53 | tonytraductor | will whatever was in there be automagically regenerated on my next login or something? |
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| 22:51.58 | babilen | tonytraductor: I understand what you mean, but as YOU don't care about the contents of the file it is no problem that it is gone. |
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| 22:52.14 | tonytraductor | I really had no idea what purpose that file serves. |
| 22:52.29 | tonytraductor | I know if I deleted some .config file for any program, I'd have to redo my configs. |
| 22:52.53 | tonytraductor | a .file with the word "kernel" in it seemed kind of important...but, I guess we're all good! |
| 22:53.15 | babilen | tonytraductor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel_oops (not sure what exactly wrote that file) |
| 22:53.59 | tonytraductor | aha...so kind of like an error log, then |
| 22:54.43 | tonytraductor | gosh, mine didn't have a cool cow like in this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Linux-2.6-oops-parisc.jpg |
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| 22:55.27 | tonytraductor | say, while I'm here...does anybody have amazonmp3 working on AMD64? (lenny) |
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| 22:55.54 | tonytraductor | It tells me amazonmp3: error while loading shared libraries: libglademm-2.4.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 22:56.11 | tonytraductor | although I do have libglademm-2.4.s0.1 (it |
| 22:56.52 | tonytraductor | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.07 | tonytraductor | I did a --force-architecture when install from amazon's deb file |
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| 22:57.17 | tonytraductor | I have this program on my x86 machine and it works fine, of course |
| 22:57.38 | tonytraductor | I like to buy music from amazon in this fashion, and especially for them to see that gnu/linux users are buying their music |
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| 23:00.30 | dondelelcaro | tonytraductor: you'll need all of the right i386 libraries; probably easier right now to use it in a chroot |
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| 23:03.43 | daemonkeeper | stew (perhaps also babilen): Following our discussion yesterday about downgrading from sid to stable, and your attempt in your chroot I tried today to downgrade libc6/apt/dpkg. Besides the problem you mentioned about the libc6 I was almos disappointed, it was really seamless and without problems. |
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| 23:04.42 | babilen | daemonkeeper: Ain't that great? I mean, it is good to know that you *can* handle situations like these if you don't panic |
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| 23:05.16 | dondelelcaro | daemonkeeper: it's certainly possible to do; the main issue is that explaining what you have to do gets very long (as well as dealing with obscure edge cases) |
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| 23:07.05 | daemonkeeper | dondelelcaro: Indeed the only problem is libc6, where stew found an easy workaround. Besides no problem as said. I'd have expected more problems (indeed I do remember it was a bigger problem downgrading from etch/testing to woody) |
| 23:08.42 | quuxman | yay for Debian/Ubuntu hybrid systems :) |
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| 23:10.29 | quuxman | I have testing, stable, and experimental Debian repositories as well as Ubuntu's maverick main restricted universe multiverse, as well as NetBook edition maverick |
| 23:10.40 | daemonkeeper | I guess a system in the wild (i.e. larger than my pbuilder chroot) could cause some problems more, but if you get libc6/apt/dpkg working I think everything can be managed. |
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| 23:10.56 | quuxman | I'm amazed that all the packages I've installed play nicely together |
| 23:11.48 | Some_Person | quuxman: ubuntu doesn't have separate repos for netbook edition |
| 23:11.53 | daemonkeeper | quuxman: While it is probably hard to maintain such a system, I don't see a particular problem with that. |
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| 23:12.08 | quuxman | Some_Person: yeah it does... it's called UNE |
| 23:12.45 | Some_Person | quasisane: really? link please |
| 23:13.08 | daemonkeeper | So what? There is also Kubuntu, Edubuntu (does that still exist?) and probably others. The repositories are the same. The difference ist just the default packages to be installed. |
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| 23:13.29 | Some_Person | ^ pretty sure it's the same for netbook edition |
| 23:14.33 | Some_Person | And edubuntu does exist, though they've changed the name to "ubuntu educational edition". There's also now xubuntu, lubuntu, and ubuntu studio. |
| 23:15.10 | daemonkeeper | Whatever ... ;) |
| 23:15.48 | quuxman | Some_Person: https://launchpad.net/~canonical-dx-team/+archive/une |
| 23:16.06 | Some_Person | quuxman: Ah, it's a ppa. Ok then |
| 23:16.20 | quuxman | Some_Person: what is ppa? I've been wondering that |
| 23:16.31 | catsup | #debian chanops gonna buntu all :p |
| 23:16.42 | Some_Person | PPA = personal package archive. Basically anyone can make their own APT repositories on launchpad |
| 23:16.57 | quuxman | Some_Person: aaaah, that's super cool. |
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| 23:17.53 | daemonkeeper | Some_Person: Yet its the same in official repositories, the ppas are just more bleeding edge (in this particular case, since they seem to come from Canonical directly.) |
| 23:18.10 | daemonkeeper | e.g. http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/plasma-widget-menubar |
| 23:18.19 | quuxman | I'm actually reinstalling my whole system because `hibernate` pretty much lobotomized my boot process and I can't figure out how to fix it... so I may remove the une ppa |
| 23:18.31 | themill | wonders what this has to do with #debian |
| 23:18.36 | cast | what the hell is ppa |
| 23:18.44 | themill | cast: /msg dpkg ppa |
| 23:18.48 | cast | oh, someone asked |
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| 23:20.39 | quuxman | I want to reconfigure my Debian installer flash key to also have a live system on it, and I pick between the installer and the live system in the grub menu |
| 23:20.55 | quuxman | I already have a separate partition that could be mounted as / for the live system on the drive |
| 23:21.11 | quuxman | How do I do that without blowing away the installation system in the FAT partition? |
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| 23:22.54 | daemonkeeper | There was once an overlay file system to map unix permissions on a text file for DOS file systems. No idea if that still works, is developed and/or supported |
| 23:23.02 | daemonkeeper | What was its name? umsdos? |
| 23:23.07 | daemonkeeper | Something like that. |
| 23:23.22 | quuxman | daemonkeeper: huh that's really cool to know about |
| 23:23.41 | quuxman | daemonkeeper: "There was once..." is it bitrotted or something? |
| 23:24.10 | daemonkeeper | No idea, let me dig its name, so we can find out. I didn't follow this since ... uhm ... 10 years? |
| 23:24.42 | quuxman | daemonkeeper: wow, that's absurdly old, and a really cool idea |
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| 23:28.11 | daemonkeeper | Yeah, umsdos was its name. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAT_filesystem_and_Linux#Installing_Linux_on_and_booting_it_from_FAT_volumes_using_umsdos |
| 23:28.12 | daemonkeeper | http://linux.voyager.hr/umsdos/ |
| 23:28.20 | daemonkeeper | Is not active anymore though |
| 23:28.26 | daemonkeeper | Since kernel 2.6 *g* |
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| 23:29.07 | quuxman | daemonkeeper: probably just works... doesn't need to be developed |
| 23:29.18 | daemonkeeper | Well, for sure not. |
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| 23:29.25 | daemonkeeper | Since it does not run on 2.6 kernels |
| 23:29.36 | daemonkeeper | Which is everything since etch |
| 23:30.44 | catsup | not much need for it anymore |
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| 23:31.09 | daemonkeeper | Not even back then |
| 23:31.39 | catsup | it had good uses back then |
| 23:31.56 | Italian_Plumber | Hello. My system is running a disk check on startup. it's running it right now. Is there a way to stop the disk check? I'm troubleshooting a different problem and I can run a disk check later./ |
| 23:32.22 | catsup | there were no tools to resize fat filesystems, so if you wanted to install on a windows machine it often was a decent option |
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| 23:32.30 | catsup | well, no free tools |
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| 23:33.55 | daemonkeeper | Even back then, when it worked it was never really comfortable though. It was thought for people whom wanted to give Linux a try at times where disk space was expensive (or you couldn't resize as you said) |
| 23:34.01 | catsup | (or if you just didn't want to muck around with resizing an fs). i think there might have been a good reason not to mount a fs image using loopback back then too (no such things as initrd?) |
| 23:36.28 | catsup | well i checked, initrd goes back to 1.3 |
| 23:36.48 | daemonkeeper | As far as I can remember it was incredibly slow as well |
| 23:37.09 | catsup | the way i remember it, it wasn't more than 8x slower |
| 23:37.21 | daemonkeeper | Which is an order that counts ;) |
| 23:40.13 | daemonkeeper | I'm getting melancholic *going to seek my Mandrake CDs* |
| 23:40.26 | catsup | haha |
| 23:40.35 | catsup | i used umsdos with slackware |
| 23:40.47 | catsup | Italian_Plumber: yeah you can do that in various ways... |
| 23:40.59 | Italian_Plumber | what's the safest way |
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| 23:41.06 | stew | Italian_Plumber: to not interrupt it |
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| 23:41.26 | catsup | was the disk check forced for errors or because of check count? |
| 23:41.32 | catsup | erm, mount count |
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| 23:41.41 | Italian_Plumber | "has gone 180 days without being checked" |
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| 23:42.26 | catsup | well you can reboot and issue init=/bin/sh and then use tune2fs to fudge the info it uses for these autochecks |
| 23:42.58 | Italian_Plumber | I can leave the autocheck features the way they are... I just want to stop *this* check right now. |
| 23:42.59 | daemonkeeper | Although it is a better idea to let it run. There are reasons to do it. |
| 23:43.07 | catsup | in the future you can avoid this permanently by using lvm, making a snapshot, fscking the snapshot, and then setting it as checked |
| 23:43.31 | catsup | Italian_Plumber: yeah, you just have to fudge it in such a way that it gets checked on the reboot after the next reboot instead of the next reboot |
| 23:44.10 | catsup | ... and doing that lvm snapshot fsck from cron, say, weekly |
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| 23:44.51 | lcb | stew, sorry, give me a hint please. after doing everything by the book on upgrading to squeeze, no errors but i don't have aptitude or apt... :( |
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| 23:45.28 | lcb | i have dpkg though |
| 23:45.39 | Italian_Plumber | ok thanks guys |
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| 23:45.52 | Azrael_- | how can i manually set up a system with automatic crypting like it can be done automatically in the default installation? |
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| 23:47.12 | daemonkeeper | Azrael_-: Use luks/cryptsetup |
| 23:47.37 | Azrael_- | does it automatically ask then on the bootup? |
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| 23:48.18 | daemonkeeper | Azrael_-: You can, see /etc/crypttab |
| 23:48.29 | Azrael_- | hmm, k |
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| 23:55.06 | quuxman | In apt pinning, you can specify the release the package belongs to... |
| 23:55.08 | pielgrzym | hi, could someone recommend me a solid networking book? I'd like to get a intermediate-friendly book covering topics like: ip command use, routing, bridging, more advanced iptables and most important some nice troubleshooting tutorials (how to understand whats wrong with tcpdump, wireshark etc). A thing focues on practice with only essencial theoretical knowledge. I'd be gratefull for recommendations :) |
| 23:55.10 | quuxman | how do you get a list of releases? |
| 23:55.26 | quuxman | they're not exactly the same string as is in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 23:55.49 | stew | quuxman: apt-cache policy |
| 23:56.27 | quuxman | stew: thanks :-} |
| 23:56.28 | stew | quuxman: look for lines like "release o=Debian Backports,a=lenny-backports,l=Debian Backports,c=main" |
| 23:56.30 | quuxman | been wondering that for a long time |
| 23:56.51 | stew | quuxman: if you go to the actual url and look for the Release file, that is where the info actually comes from |
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| 23:57.09 | stew | quuxman: FE: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/Release |
| 23:57.14 | quuxman | stew: yaeh, it's all very simple once you figure it out :) |
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| 23:59.15 | TiCPU | make-kpkg always fails with "error: package not in control info" , last command is: dpkg-gencontrol -DArchitecture=amd64 -isp -plinux-image-2.6.35.10-scst+ -P/usr/src/linux/debian/linux-image-2.6.35.10-scst+/ but debian/control only contains the kernel name without the plus (+) |
| 23:59.22 | stew | daemonkeeper: the problems with downgrading can be much worse. for instance, if a config file was changed, the maintainer scripts won't know how to change it back. think about what happens when you try to downgrde mysql 5.0 to mysql 4.1 |
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