| 00:01.27 | quuxman | stew: presumably for the APT::Default-Release setting, that's referring to the "n=..." part? |
| 00:01.35 | daemonkeeper | stew: Of course. This is nothing essential though, as in: survive the downgrade and end up in a consistent state. As I admitted a bit above, things may be much more complicated for a system in the wild (i.e. outside my pbuilder chroot) |
| 00:01.43 | quuxman | stew: or could I put "testing" in there too? |
| 00:01.50 | rgr | what would be causing debian to turn my laptop screen back on after I have used dpmi to turn it off via a hot key? |
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| 00:02.55 | stew | quuxman: according to the apt.conf manpage, either should work. |
| 00:02.55 | blinki | what package provides debian linux sources? |
| 00:03.16 | quuxman | stew: cool :). The release names always bug me because I can't predict them |
| 00:03.47 | stew | blinki: apt-cache search -n linux-source |
| 00:04.14 | stew | quuxman: hopefully you aren't using Default-release to mix stable with testing |
| 00:04.36 | blinki | hmm, already newest version indeed. |
| 00:05.18 | Arrowmaster | quuxman: last i checked APT::Default-Release only took values like stable, testing, unstable and not lenny, squeeze, sid |
| 00:06.01 | Arrowmaster | although personally i strongly disagree with that and think it should accept the codenames and that codenames should be the preferred way of using it |
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| 00:06.24 | quuxman | Arrowmaster: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto ... they have "hardy" in that setting |
| 00:06.48 | quuxman | stew: I don't even have "stable" in my sources. Just testing, unstable, and experimental |
| 00:07.01 | quuxman | stew: I basically never use stable |
| 00:07.30 | quuxman | what's the difference between release lines and origin lines in apt-cache policy output? |
| 00:07.32 | Arrowmaster | quuxman: yes thats because of a difference in how ubunbu repos are setup |
| 00:07.45 | quuxman | Arrowmaster: ah, thanks |
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| 00:07.57 | quuxman | Arrowmaster: you just saved me some confusion |
| 00:08.02 | stew | Arrowmaster: when was the last time you checked? i checked right before telling him |
| 00:08.35 | stew | "Contains release name, codename or release version. Examples: 'stable', 'testing', 'unstable', 'squeeze', 'wheezy', '4.0', '5.0*'" |
| 00:08.44 | Arrowmaster | ah so it has changed |
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| 00:08.56 | Arrowmaster | just checked too when you mentioned that |
| 00:09.10 | Some_Person | has "squeeze" in sources.list |
| 00:09.18 | Arrowmaster | last time i looked at the docs it explicitly mentioned that code names dont work |
| 00:09.18 | blinki | so it's just a tar.bz2? |
| 00:09.31 | stew | blinki: yes |
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| 00:20.08 | jetscreamer | hey so in console i keep getting usb connect/disconnect messages for my usb mouse after a default squeeze install |
| 00:21.15 | jetscreamer | really trashes the screen, getting tired of having to do ctrl L |
| 00:21.33 | jetscreamer | how to fix/stop messages |
| 00:21.51 | dvs | jetscreamer: edit /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 00:22.03 | stew | jetscreamer: stop disconnecting usb! :) |
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| 00:22.18 | dvs | that too |
| 00:22.39 | jetscreamer | well i only d/c'd it once.. seems to have fixed it temporarily... |
| 00:22.41 | cast | dmesg -n i believe |
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| 00:25.00 | jetscreamer | yeah that was it, printk |
| 00:25.09 | stew | what did you just call me? |
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| 00:28.36 | wooden | I just dist-upgraded from lenny to squeeze and my machine seems to have lost track of the raid1 (/dev/md0) I had set up. Any suggestions as to where I can learn how to recover this? |
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| 00:30.27 | jetscreamer | so far so good with sysctl |
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| 00:31.04 | daemonkeeper | wooden: Try mdadm --assemble and/or mdadm --detail --scan |
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| 00:37.04 | wooden | daemonkeeper: It mdadm doesn't appear to know /dev/md0 exists. Can I just create /dev/md0 anew as a raid1 and add the existing disk to it, or will that destroy the data? |
| 00:37.49 | daemonkeeper | --assemble is exactly for that purpose |
| 00:39.06 | wooden | daemonkeeper: It prints nothing with exitcode 2. |
| 00:39.25 | daemonkeeper | Well, you need a bit more |
| 00:39.49 | daemonkeeper | Do mdadm --assemble -h for an overview |
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| 00:47.46 | wooden | daemonkeeper: Not working. It's actually not important that it be a raid. Can I just mount one of the member disks and recover the data? Right now I get "mount: unknown filesystem type 'linux_raid_member'" when I try. |
| 00:48.17 | cast | you can always use a dm linear mapping too |
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| 00:51.09 | wooden | cast: Thanks. What man page do I need to read? |
| 00:51.39 | cast | dmsetup |
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| 00:55.57 | cast | you'll have to work out, maybe via od, where the start of your FS is but that's not too hard |
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| 00:57.05 | wooden | cast: What does the beginning of ext3 look like? :) |
| 00:57.20 | Italian_Plumber | well, disk check done... original problem solved. My machine was dropping packets left and right -- appears to have beena faulty cable. |
| 00:57.40 | cast | look at wikipedia, will be 1-4 bytes of magic number i imagine |
| 00:58.28 | daemonkeeper | I would invest more time into RAID recover first. I don't think it is seriously broken. |
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| 01:00.02 | wooden | daemonkeeper: I was hoping I could just create a new md0 device and use this disk as a member, listing the other as 'missing'. Will that not work? |
| 01:01.01 | daemonkeeper | Did I miss something? Didn't you say your devices are ok, the array stopped working upon upgrade? |
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| 01:02.36 | wooden | daemonkeeper: Yes, the physical disks are okay, and my mdadm.conf file is in place listing /dev/md0, but there's no /dev/md0 and nothing listed in /proc/mdstat. None of the assemble commands do anything. |
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| 01:03.18 | cast | the good thing about a dmsetup linear mapping is it's non-destructive |
| 01:03.56 | irfaN | I tried install mysql-server-5.0 package with apt-get install mysql-server-5.0 but apt-get want to install extra packages like exim4, exim-base.. How can I install just mysql-server-5.0 package ? |
| 01:04.22 | daemonkeeper | irfaN: You can't. This is called a dependency. |
| 01:04.28 | daemonkeeper | This is by design. |
| 01:04.58 | irfaN | but its mysql and another one mail server. If i want to use qmail, is this impossible ? |
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| 01:05.03 | daemonkeeper | wooden: You can force to start an array as last resort, even if degraded with assemble |
| 01:05.16 | daemonkeeper | irfaN: Ah, sure. Just install that before or along mysql |
| 01:05.38 | daemonkeeper | Otherwise apt will pick one for you |
| 01:06.00 | irfaN | i hope mysql will work without mail server ? |
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| 01:07.00 | daemonkeeper | MySQL does, some other package depending on MySQL probably not. It is really hard to run a Linux system withouth MTA |
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| 01:07.56 | irfaN | Its just my database server, i dont want use any MTA.. Can I stop it without problem ? |
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| 01:08.52 | irfaN | I tried apt-get install mysql-server but its want to install exim4-* packages like mysql-server-5.0 package |
| 01:09.11 | daemonkeeper | mysql-server is a meta package |
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| 01:10.03 | irfaN | Please dont tell me "You have to install from mysql.com" ? |
| 01:10.25 | daemonkeeper | I don't. |
| 01:10.30 | daemonkeeper | Use mysql-server-5.0 |
| 01:10.41 | daemonkeeper | Or mysql-server which points you to mysql-server-5.0 |
| 01:11.17 | irfaN | I get that point. But i cant install without exim4.. |
| 01:11.21 | daemonkeeper | As said, if you don't agree with Debian's understandings of dependencies, you must use mysql.com packages indeed. |
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| 01:11.35 | daemonkeeper | You can use any other MTA of course. |
| 01:11.47 | irfaN | i got it :) Thank you daemonkeeper |
| 01:11.52 | daemonkeeper | Just to apt-get install mysql-server postfix |
| 01:11.54 | daemonkeeper | Or whatever |
| 01:12.00 | daemonkeeper | s/to/do/ |
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| 01:12.41 | irfaN | thanks again.. |
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| 01:23.14 | dondelelcaro | you don't have to use exim4, but you need some kind of MTA on the system |
| 01:23.36 | Name1ess | i been poking around the debian website, and i can't find the page to download the squeeze netinst - point me please? |
| 01:24.28 | daemonkeeper | Name1ess: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 01:24.30 | on3pk | ifconfig: http://paste.ubuntu.com/558353/ route: http://paste.ubuntu.com/558352/ |
| 01:24.33 | on3pk | errr |
| 01:24.36 | on3pk | wrong room, sorry. |
| 01:24.59 | Name1ess | thanks daemonkeeper , checking it .. |
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| 01:27.18 | Name1ess | there it is:P |
| 01:27.35 | Name1ess | debian needs to make that more findable |
| 01:27.47 | on3pk | Well actually, if anyone has any idea why I can ping a machine, but can't use the machine to ping anyone else, my above 3 lines might be useful |
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| 01:28.04 | daemonkeeper | Why? It is not supposed to be used by anyone. Those who want, know how to find. |
| 01:28.08 | Delf | A slight simplicity would be more obvious. |
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| 01:30.15 | tharkun | on3pk: what is the ip of the trouble machine? |
| 01:31.28 | on3pk | 188.40.86.20 |
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| 01:31.58 | simplechat | Heyyas, is there any nice way to tell if a disk is in use? (ie mounted/open/etc?) |
| 01:32.51 | daemonkeeper | /proc/mounts, /etc/mtab for the first question, lsof, fuser for the second |
| 01:33.08 | simplechat | no way to check both? |
| 01:33.37 | daemonkeeper | Well, if a file is open, the underlying partition is obviously mounted, isn't it? |
| 01:34.05 | on3pk | I've been wrestling this device all day... so frustrating... |
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| 01:35.18 | tharkun | on3pk: try setting up your netmask to 255.255.255.0 or whatever your ISP is using |
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| 01:35.53 | on3pk | tharkun, how would you recommend? |
| 01:36.20 | on3pk | ##networking told me to use ifconfig eth0 188.40.82.20 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 01:36.23 | simplechat | daemonkeeper, its a device file, so its a drive |
| 01:36.29 | simplechat | its either being used by a program or being mounted |
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| 01:37.05 | tharkun | on3pk: that would be a solution. if you are setting up a fixed addres update your /etc/network/interfaces file accordingly |
| 01:39.14 | on3pk | it is a fixed address, so I just updated the file |
| 01:40.14 | tharkun | on3pk: now fix the current settings using ifconfig or ip command whatever you are more confortable with. Another way would be to reboot the machine |
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| 01:41.34 | on3pk | hrm. |
| 01:41.38 | on3pk | reboot time |
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| 01:48.30 | tharkun | on3pk: and ? |
| 01:51.01 | on3pk | tharkun: no luck :* |
| 01:51.04 | on3pk | * :( |
| 01:51.15 | tharkun | route -n gives you what? |
| 01:51.33 | tharkun | also paste on a pastebin the content of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:51.55 | on3pk | I don't think the /etc/network/interfaces file saved |
| 01:52.35 | tharkun | check it, don't speculate over the fact |
| 01:52.50 | jetscreamer | thought i'd try lxde since i'd never seen it as an option before in the installer.. seems pretty tight |
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| 01:54.26 | gh0st3r | with snmpd on debian |
| 01:54.41 | gh0st3r | is there some way to get it to use other interfaces except for 127.0.0.1? |
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| 01:56.01 | on3pk | Yeah, it definitely didn't save |
| 01:56.30 | tharkun | ok fix it and try it. Before rebooting double check it ;P |
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| 01:58.31 | gh0st3r | any ideas about snmp |
| 01:58.32 | gh0st3r | ? |
| 01:59.22 | iateadonut | does anyone happen to know where i can find a dictionary that categorizes words? |
| 01:59.33 | on3pk | saved correctly now and restarted |
| 01:59.35 | iateadonut | like, you could look up vegetables |
| 01:59.41 | iateadonut | and get a bunch of vegetables? |
| 01:59.47 | on3pk | still can't ping |
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| 02:01.18 | tharkun | on3pk: repaste route -n |
| 02:01.28 | on3pk | working on it... |
| 02:01.55 | tharkun | on3pk: you don't have any iptables on that particular machine? |
| 02:02.08 | on3pk | http://paste.ubuntu.com/558363/ |
| 02:02.12 | on3pk | I haven't set any up |
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| 02:03.04 | tharkun | on3pk: could you please paste your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 02:03.21 | stew | on3pk: you are your own gateway? |
| 02:03.42 | naiv | anyone know where I can find a datasheet for a recent network card ? |
| 02:03.50 | on3pk | stew, no, my ip ends in .20, instead of .2 |
| 02:04.11 | tharkun | stew: he's ip is 188.40.86.20 |
| 02:04.12 | stew | on3pk: oh, but you have a host route to your gateway? why? how? |
| 02:04.55 | on3pk | I don't know. |
| 02:05.07 | on3pk | I didn't set part of this up... it s a VPS... the settings are automatic :\ |
| 02:05.09 | tharkun | stew: shouldn't the answer be on the interfaces file |
| 02:05.24 | stew | tharkun: probably |
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| 02:06.27 | on3pk | /etc/network/interfaces http://paste.ubuntu.com/558364/ |
| 02:07.03 | tharkun | on3pk: coment line 7 and you should be all set |
| 02:07.22 | tharkun | save and reboot |
| 02:07.39 | stew | it shouldn't be hurting anything |
| 02:07.41 | stew | its odd though |
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| 02:07.48 | on3pk | use # to comment out? |
| 02:07.52 | tharkun | yes |
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| 02:08.05 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 02:08.15 | stew | there is no reason to add a host route when its on the subnet |
| 02:08.27 | lenswipe | the mysql pass in the debian-sys-maintenance file is out of sync with the actual mysql password |
| 02:08.31 | lenswipe | how do i change this? |
| 02:08.40 | lenswipe | at least i think it is... |
| 02:08.50 | lenswipe | ...i just restored mysql from a mysqldump and now i cant stop it |
| 02:09.16 | lenswipe | anyone know? |
| 02:09.30 | stew | lenswipe: you just need to make /etc/mysql/debian.cnf contain the correct password |
| 02:09.54 | lenswipe | stew, does it need to contain the mysql root pass? or the password for the debian-sys-maintenance account? |
| 02:10.07 | on3pk | 20 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 18999ms  |
| 02:10.08 | on3pk | gah |
| 02:10.28 | stew | lenswipe: for debian-sys-maintenance |
| 02:10.32 | lenswipe | right |
| 02:10.38 | lenswipe | from the looks of things, it appears to be hashed.... |
| 02:10.40 | stew | on3pk: can you ping your gatewway |
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| 02:11.03 | lenswipe | stew, how do i go about simultaniously changing both the mysql version and the one in there? |
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| 02:11.18 | on3pk | yes, sir |
| 02:11.25 | stew | lenswipe: just change one or the other |
| 02:11.33 | stew | lenswipe: or change one or the other |
| 02:11.39 | lenswipe | can i just look in the database at it? |
| 02:11.48 | stew | lenswipe: no, you could look at your dump |
| 02:11.57 | lenswipe | i dont have it anymore |
| 02:11.57 | stew | lenswipe: or just change the one in the database to match the one in the file |
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| 02:12.03 | lenswipe | ill do that |
| 02:12.03 | lenswipe | :) |
| 02:12.05 | stew | so change it in the database |
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| 02:12.14 | on3pk | I tried to ping 8.8.8.8 with no luck... |
| 02:12.23 | tharkun | on3pk: your pings are beeing stopped at your gateway |
| 02:12.31 | stew | on3pk: sounds like the gateway is the problem |
| 02:12.32 | tharkun | or 8.8.8.8 is not asnwering them |
| 02:12.46 | stew | 8.8.8.8 answers them |
| 02:12.47 | lenswipe | stew, can i just cut and paste in the password? or is it hashed? |
| 02:12.50 | on3pk | tharkun: I can ping anything else and it would be the same issue. |
| 02:13.02 | tharkun | on3pk: try ping yahoo.com for a change |
| 02:13.06 | on3pk | perhaps I have the wrong gateway? |
| 02:13.23 | stew | lenswipe: its hashed. "update users set password=password('s3kret') where username='debian-sys-maint' ; flush privileges |
| 02:13.29 | stew | or something |
| 02:13.34 | lenswipe | thanks :D |
| 02:13.34 | tharkun | on3pk: you have the correct gw else you wouldn't be capable of connecting to your vps |
| 02:13.49 | on3pk | I don't think it has nameserver to look up |
| 02:13.56 | stew | on3pk: how are you connecting to your vps? |
| 02:14.08 | tharkun | on3pk: try this ip 69.147.125.65 |
| 02:14.30 | on3pk | stew, the console interface provided by my vps provider |
| 02:14.40 | on3pk | PuTTy won't authenticate at all |
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| 02:15.09 | irfaN | how can i start my script without sudo like that.... sudo -u myuser myscript.sh |
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| 02:15.15 | stew | tharkun: so there you go, he doesn't need network access on his vps to get to his vps |
| 02:15.38 | on3pk | tharkun: 12 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 10999ms |
| 02:15.43 | tharkun | stew: you are so f.. right |
| 02:15.49 | on3pk | stew, I can ping it though |
| 02:16.20 | on3pk | Reply from 188.40.86.20: bytes=32 time=119ms TTL=48 |
| 02:16.33 | irfaN | I want to start myscript.sh with another user and without sudo.. Is this possible ? |
| 02:17.34 | tharkun | on3pk: do you have a telnet program on your windows machine. And also do you have a running daemon on your vps? |
| 02:18.13 | on3pk | tharkun, which deamon are you looking for? |
| 02:18.19 | tharkun | any |
| 02:18.32 | liable | hmm, tis only 10am at home, but seeing as i just changed timezones by 3 hours, its an acceptable time to have a glass of wine :o |
| 02:18.40 | liable | echan |
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| 02:20.28 | tharkun | on3pk: i have to go now i'll be back in a few hours. try contacting your vps provider for some support since you allready mentioned that some parts of the initialization are automatic. We might be missing something that they are more aware of |
| 02:20.29 | on3pk | it actually looks like sshd is running |
| 02:20.51 | on3pk | tharkun: I sent a support ticket.... it takes awhile for them to respond though. |
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| 02:21.09 | tharkun | on3pk: yes sshd is running |
| 02:21.49 | tharkun | set up whatever you want on the server and wait for the ping isue to be solved by them it might also be a security meassure they took although i doubt it |
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| 02:22.18 | tharkun | stew: Your next beer is on me |
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| 02:24.30 | dvs | on3pk: what does your /etc/network/interfaces file look like? |
| 02:24.53 | tharkun | http://paste.ubuntu.com/558364/ |
| 02:25.00 | tharkun | dvs ^^ |
| 02:25.57 | dvs | I thought the last line was suppose to read "gateway 188.40.86.2"? |
| 02:25.59 | tharkun | stew: pointed out gateway interferance which is probably the case since sshd is running and responding. What puzzles me most is why since there is no key authentication putty is unable to log in properly |
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| 02:29.15 | funyun | hi. noob here. i'm trying to install vmware server but i'm having trouble. i get "Could not open /lib/modules/2.6.34.6-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64/modules.dep.temp for writing: No such file or directory". can anyone help me? |
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| 02:36.31 | on3pk | http://paste.ubuntu.com/558368/ <--- should it be two lines like that? |
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| 03:24.46 | topgun21 | I take it squeeze is debian 6.0? |
| 03:25.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes |
| 03:25.32 | stew | tharkun: yes |
| 03:25.34 | stew | err |
| 03:26.13 | topgun21 | so i am running a Debian 6.0 system |
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| 03:33.34 | Lewoco | In openbox, how do I configure the number of desktops per 'row' such that the DesktopUp action works? |
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| 03:38.11 | nvz | Lewoco: in gnome? |
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| 03:38.42 | Lewoco | nvz, No, LXDE. |
| 03:38.56 | Lewoco | nvz, I've discovered that the pager in LXDE does not support multiple rows. |
| 03:39.19 | nvz | ah.. bummer.. I never used LXDE |
| 03:39.34 | Lewoco | nvz, But I worked around the problem by configuring X DesktopLeft actions for each C-A-Left keypress where 'X' is the number of desktops per row. |
| 03:39.51 | nvz | ever since I've had half way decent hardware I just use GNOME now, cept without megashitty (metacity) |
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| 03:41.43 | Lewoco | XFCE panel task bar doesn't work properly for me when I have the panel on left or right edge (which I usually do). |
| 03:41.47 | nvz | I have tried xfce.. didn't like it. I like ION and Sawfish the best and gotten comfortable with nautilus and gnome-panel |
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| 03:43.41 | nvz | I don't think so.. it does have few similarities though |
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| 03:43.52 | nvz | gconf puts you in mind of regedit though |
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| 03:44.14 | romel | hi guys. I got an error message while trying to mount partition: JBD: IO error reading journal superblock |
| 03:44.22 | romel | EXT3-fs: error loading journal. |
| 03:44.33 | nvz | i personally need to try out some more recent sawfish code.. they've resumed development after years of nothing.. |
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| 03:44.46 | romel | what I supposed to do now? could somebody help me please? |
| 03:45.00 | nvz | romel: you can mount it as ext2 if its a matter of being able to use it |
| 03:45.00 | topgun21 | The only element of gnome i like is Network-manager-gnome. |
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| 03:45.19 | nvz | topgun21: I hate network manager altogether. i use wicd which conflicts with it |
| 03:45.38 | nvz | nm is only good when you're not on a portable and need to manage lots of different networks |
| 03:45.57 | nvz | its a pain in the ass when you're switching back and forth |
| 03:46.57 | nvz | romel: mounting it as ext2 will just disable the journalling and allow you to continue using it. you probably need to fsck it to get it to work journalled again |
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| 03:50.50 | romel | nvz: it uses dir_index option, so mount refuses to do a job :( |
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| 03:58.13 | Lewoco | nvz, What's wrong with metacity? |
| 03:58.28 | Lewoco | nvz, And what wm do you use instead? Openbox? |
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| 03:58.52 | Lewoco | Oh, sawfish |
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| 03:59.03 | dvs | the language! |
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| 04:00.16 | nvz | Lewoco: metacity is just a cute themable wm.. it has no powers |
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| 04:00.34 | nvz | Lewoco: I use sawfish.. its amazingly powerful and super easy to control |
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| 04:01.00 | Lewoco | Ok, installing now. |
| 04:01.26 | Lewoco | What powers is mc lacking though? |
| 04:01.43 | nvz | Lewoco: well on debian its severely dated back around the time when development stopped.. its lacking support for modern Open Desktop Standards themability and EWMH |
| 04:02.06 | cast | does it let you switch decktops via sliding your cursor past the edge of the screen |
| 04:02.07 | Lewoco | Oh, metacity is no longer actively developed? |
| 04:02.08 | nvz | Lewoco: but if you don't care about eye candy of your window frame too much and want total control over windows with ease, sawfish is great |
| 04:02.10 | cast | desk* |
| 04:02.29 | nvz | Lewoco: I'm talking about sawfish.. development screeched to a halt for a long period of time.. its since resumed |
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| 04:06.14 | nvz | safish is written in a lisp dialect, it allows you to do EVERYTHING if you really wanna learn librep, but the sawfish-ui allows you to do quite a lot quickly and graphically |
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| 04:06.36 | nvz | being written in lisp, changes take effect immediately, no saving, applying. anything.. it just happens |
| 04:06.46 | nvz | no need to restart the wm or any of that |
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| 04:07.46 | nvz | my key reasons for using it many other wms have implemented to varying degrees but none have sawfish-ui that makes it real quick and easy for me to change bindings and matched windows |
| 04:09.25 | LongJ | welcome come backï¼LongJ欢è¿ä½ çå°æ¥ |
| 04:09.33 | nvz | those are the two features I use most.. matched windows allows me to match a window based on its command, title..etc and place it anywhere I like in any manner I like.. so that alone in a sense lets me make my own GUI.. if I want oclock to be my clock, I can tell sawfish I want that on all desktops in a certain location, certain size, below all other windows but above the root window, and I want it to have no window frame, title bar, and not |
| 04:10.15 | nvz | bindings on the other hand are context based, which allows me to bind the exact same key/mouse command to different things based on the context of where the pointer is located.. |
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| 04:10.35 | nvz | changing bindings on the fly to suit what I am doing is dead simple |
| 04:12.42 | nvz | I can binf a command to pull up sawfish-ui's bindings, I hit "grab" press a key/mouse combo, assign it a command and context, and its effective immediately.. no saving anything.. nada.. I can hit "ctrl+alt+leftclick" and assign that under the "window" context to kill client, and then kill sawfish ui with it right then and there |
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| 04:13.42 | nvz | I like ION for the same reasons but its more mucking around with LUA script and saving files, and crap.. I can't make changes on the fly like I can with sawfish |
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| 04:16.33 | nvz | openbox and kahakai were the closest to offering sawfish's context based bindings but changing them required opening a config, editing it, saving it and restarting the wm.. and it wasn't really as useful for someone like me who chages these things several times a day depending on what kinda binding I need to do what I'm doing quicker |
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| 04:20.09 | topgun21 | Damn wicd wasn't recognizing my wifi card, but it turned out that i had to tell wicd that it was eth1 |
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| 04:25.45 | Triffid_Hunter | hi, I have a debian-arm image working in qemu, and I want to compile dropbear for my android phone. Does anyone know of some good guides, or a better channel to ask? |
| 04:26.09 | nvz | topgun21: yeah thats the one thing about wicd, you gotta manually enter the interface names it doesn't have any way of knowing what they are. |
| 04:26.16 | stew | Triffid_Hunter: #android ? |
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| 04:26.37 | Triffid_Hunter | stew: will try, thanks |
| 04:27.35 | Lewoco | Triffid_Hunter, You need the android sdk and ndk. |
| 04:27.50 | Triffid_Hunter | Lewoco: got sdk, googling ndk now |
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| 04:29.52 | Lewoco | In gnome, is there any way to stretch a wallpaper across multiple desktops? |
| 04:30.25 | Lewoco | Also, what is the difference between 'scale' and 'span' when picking a wallpaper? |
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| 04:32.33 | H2S04 | Lewoco, nitrogen. |
| 04:32.39 | H2S04 | Lewoco, solves all your problems. |
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| 04:34.18 | muhoo | i have one kernel that thinks the root=/dev/hda1, and another kernel which thinks root=/dev/sda1 . how can i have both of those in grub? |
| 04:35.00 | muhoo | it looks like the kopt insists on all kernels wanting th esam eroot ? |
| 04:36.52 | Triffid_Hunter | muhoo: two separate grub entries? the hda stuff is hugely deprecated, that kernel must be ancient |
| 04:37.11 | muhoo | it is old, but i need to dualboot into it |
| 04:37.36 | muhoo | the grub entries take their root from kopt, which there appears to be only one in the menu.1st file |
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| 04:38.00 | Lewoco | H2S04, How do I stretch the wallpaper across multiple desktops? Right now it seems to be doing the same thing as nautilus... |
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| 04:39.09 | H2S04 | Lewoco, you have to tell it to use two different wallpapers. |
| 04:39.31 | H2S04 | Lewoco, it can span. |
| 04:39.50 | H2S04 | Lewoco, I misread what you asked, if you have a huge screens the wallpaper is going to look terrible though. |
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| 04:44.04 | wiml | msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 04:46.55 | rkhshm | Hi all |
| 04:47.06 | rkhshm | i'm trying to find a pkg called 'rrs', reverse remote shell |
| 04:47.31 | rkhshm | i'm unable to find it in any repo but i see that one of my pkgs lsits it as dependency.. can anyone pls help me find it |
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| 04:49.09 | stew | rkhshm: i don't see it anywhere in debian. which package lists it as a dependency? |
| 04:49.46 | Lewoco | H2S04, I see some doco on the web that suggest that nitrogen supports different wallpaper on each desktop, but the version in debian doesn't seem to support this. |
| 04:50.30 | rkhshm | its a custom pkg developed from my comapny |
| 04:50.36 | H2S04 | Lewoco, you can always download a .deb and install it. |
| 04:50.43 | rkhshm | but it lists irrs as dependency |
| 04:51.32 | romel | guys. I got a problem with 4TB partition (error while trying to mount: JBD: IO error reading journal superblock). The problem is that it was created with parted so I can't use fsck.ext3 and such stuff. |
| 04:51.55 | Lewoco | H2S04, Well debian has the 1.5.1 available at http://projects.l3ib.org/nitrogen/. |
| 04:52.06 | rkhshm | stew: any ideas ? |
| 04:52.40 | stew | rkhshm: there are currently no packages in debian with "rrs" in their name |
| 04:52.51 | stew | rkhshm: i don't see any record of there ever being a rrs or irrs |
| 04:53.03 | rkhshm | hmm.. |
| 04:53.49 | Some_Person | When you mount an SMB share with nautilus, where is the mount point? In ubuntu, it was under ~/.gvfs, but it's not there in Debian |
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| 05:36.23 | Arafangion | Using an eeePC (901HA, to be specific), how do I brighten the screen without using the internal keyboard? |
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| 05:42.20 | Arafangion | (I ask because this screen is too dim, but the internal keyboard containing the screen dimming functionality is broken. |
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| 05:43.49 | kripz | grub-pc is asking me which device to install to, i am running a raid 1 config so do i install it to both /dev/sda and /dev/sdb or to /dev/md0? |
| 05:45.02 | Arafangion | Alas, /proc/acpi/video/VGA/LCDD/brightness shows "<not supported>" |
| 05:45.39 | Arafangion | kripz: Hardware RAID? I would've guessed that if you're doing software raid, you have to boot the kernel first. |
| 05:45.56 | kripz | Arafangion: im using mdadm for raid |
| 05:45.59 | Arafangion | kripz: If you have to boot the kernel first, then I would assume that you just install grub to the boot partition, whatever device that is. |
| 05:46.14 | Arafangion | kripz: Boot device, not partition. (What was I thinking?) |
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| 05:46.49 | kripz | Arafangion: boot device is sda, if i install it there, does it get mirrored? or do i choose both |
| 05:47.31 | Arafangion | kripz: You have a chicken-and-egg problem. |
| 05:48.51 | Arafangion | kripz: Just make a backup. If grub fails, your system just won't boot. RAID is only useful if an HDD fails while you are using the computer. |
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| 05:49.38 | Arafangion | should mention that he has yet to use RAID, while suggesting that installing grub to both devices is likely a good way to have a backup. |
| 05:51.02 | Arrowmaster | i think theres something on the grub site about how to setup grub2 with a soft raid1 so that grub is on both drives |
| 05:51.17 | kripz | ill try my googlefu |
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| 05:52.31 | Triffid_Hunter | kripz: you need a raid 1 partition for /boot, because grub and lilo don't understand raid. you also need an initrd to initialise the raid 0 or whatever you set up on other partitions |
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| 05:52.58 | kripz | Triffid_Hunter: raid is already working, im upgrading grub to grub2 |
| 05:53.14 | Triffid_Hunter | kripz: if you've done raid over a whole disk, you need a separate disk that your bios can recognise from which to load the kernel and the few programs you need to start raid |
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| 05:53.59 | Triffid_Hunter | kripz: well if grub 1 can sort out your setup, you just need to pass the same information to grub2 in a way that it recognises |
| 05:54.06 | kripz | Triffid_Hunter: i have 2 partitions, swap and /, both being mirrrored, md1 and md0 |
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| 05:56.39 | stew | has audible ping ever worked for anyone ever? |
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| 05:58.20 | nutron | ... random! |
| 05:59.25 | stew | i've been trying ping -a probably once a year for the last 10 years hoping one day it would actually work |
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| 05:59.49 | nutron | I like silence... and a script to listen to it |
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| 06:00.45 | nutron | i'm setting up routing, is there an equivalent to 'whatismyip.com' for the commandline? meh.. i'm sure it's something I already know but i'm waiting for packages to download :) |
| 06:00.52 | Arafangion | stew: I'm deaf, however, I suggest re-enabling your system beep if you want audible ping to work. |
| 06:02.00 | Arafangion | nutron: I suggest writing a script to query your router. |
| 06:02.43 | nutron | q |
| 06:02.46 | nutron | whoops |
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| 06:03.35 | Arrowmaster | stew: works for me |
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| 06:05.22 | Arafangion | WOO! I can see the screen now! :) Successfully made the screen brighter: sudo setpci -s 00:02.1 f4.b=ff |
| 06:05.33 | stew | Arafangion: really? |
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| 06:05.53 | Arafangion | stew: Before, it was very dim, readable, but a strain. |
| 06:06.01 | stew | Arafangion: oh |
| 06:06.05 | stew | i mean Arrowmaster |
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| 06:06.10 | stew | Arrowmaster: really? |
| 06:06.17 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 06:06.23 | Arafangion | stew: Have you tried checking if your system beep is enabled? |
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| 06:06.58 | Arafangion | stew: I think audible ping will output an ASCII BEL, which will perform a system beep. |
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| 06:07.44 | Arrowmaster | my case doesnt have a pcspkr but i ran it from in gnome which intercepts the audio bell and plays an audio file instead, terminal also has beeps enabled |
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| 06:19.18 | Lewoco | How do I restart a network interface from the command? |
| 06:19.32 | Lewoco | command line* |
| 06:19.55 | stew | Lewoco: is it configured in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 06:20.36 | Lewoco | stew, No, I think networkmanager clobbered the configuration there. |
| 06:20.49 | stew | networkmanager would not touch the configuration there |
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| 06:21.23 | Lewoco | stew, Uhm, it's been commented out, and the comment says NetworkManager. |
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| 06:21.51 | stew | really? sounds like a bug |
| 06:21.57 | stew | anyway |
| 06:22.55 | Lewoco | so...? |
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| 06:23.35 | stew | ah, i guess /etc/network/interfaces is not a conffile |
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| 06:24.20 | strgllh | What happens when Squeeze comes out? Will testing users automatically be bumped ot the next version, or will we just be running the new "stable"? |
| 06:25.17 | stew | strgllh: if you have "squeeze" in sources.list, you stay with squeeze (and are running stable). if you have "testing" in sources.list you stay with testing (and are running wheezy) |
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| 06:28.49 | strgllh | stew: thanks! That makes complete sense |
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| 06:34.47 | yagoo | anybody know of a free private video chat server? (one like 123freechat would be nice) |
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| 06:36.41 | Lewoco | ffs, I'll just reboot |
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| 06:56.29 | mick_home | yagoo: not sure what you are trying to achieve (doing a presentation online) or having a kinky remote session... if you want to do the first one, look at bigbluebutton.org |
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| 06:57.15 | mick_home | for the later... i recommend vlc over an ssh tunnel (probably, never tried) |
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| 06:57.58 | cahoot | vlc over sssh - that's kinky |
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| 07:20.22 | nvz | wow I feel depressed about being here now that the last thing said was "vlc over sssh - that's kinky" |
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| 07:21.31 | nvz | when I think kinky, I think of a leash and furry cuffs or something.. nowhere does vlc or ssh play into my mind |
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| 07:22.13 | nvz | its kinda funny when I say something like that just as someone walks in.. I think about how thats the first thing they hear.. heh |
| 07:22.29 | nvz | waves to streuner |
| 07:22.41 | streuner | hi |
| 07:22.43 | Arafangion | nvz: I once asked a guy "What's your favorite drink?", he replied "Sex on the beach", just as his girlfriend walked up. |
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| 07:23.02 | Arafangion | (It's a clear blue alcoholic drink) |
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| 07:23.14 | nvz | Arafangion: yeah, I've heard of it |
| 07:23.33 | CruX| | hello all |
| 07:23.34 | nvz | Arafangion: the thing is not that you've experienced it, but how do you feel about it? |
| 07:24.05 | Arafangion | nvz: The girlfriend in question was worried more about "With whom" |
| 07:24.15 | Arafangion | (No context!) |
| 07:24.20 | CruX| | is there any C/C++ source code formatter, which can remove unused variables/functions from project ? |
| 07:24.21 | nvz | yeah well thats because the context was lost on her |
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| 07:24.57 | Arafangion | CruX|: No, only a compiler can do that. |
| 07:25.17 | Arafangion | CruX|: And even then, it's hard because removing the variable/function may change the code behaviour. |
| 07:25.37 | nvz | if its unused I dont see how it could change anything |
| 07:25.57 | Arafangion | nvz: The constructor/destructor could have a side effect. |
| 07:26.12 | CruX| | okay it's primary C project |
| 07:26.20 | CruX| | hmm :( |
| 07:26.31 | nvz | I'll take your word for it.. I only dabble and C/C++ were never my languages |
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| 07:26.44 | nvz | too ignorant of a language for me |
| 07:26.47 | jmarsden | CruX|: Is this really a Debian-specific question? ##C might be a more appropriate forum for you |
| 07:26.57 | Arafangion | CruX|: In C, it's easier, but personally I'd just enable your favorite compiler's warnings, and mandate that there should be no warnings. |
| 07:27.29 | Arafangion | nvz: C++ is complicated as all heck. |
| 07:27.36 | Arafangion | Possibly the worlds most complicated language. |
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| 07:27.49 | jmarsden | Arafangion: No, that would perhaps be English :) |
| 07:27.53 | nvz | heh |
| 07:28.01 | CruX| | Arafangion: thx |
| 07:28.21 | Arafangion | jmarsden: Ha, seriously though, English isn't that bad. :) |
| 07:28.36 | nvz | I much prefer python but I think its because it lets me be lazy and not fully understand it while still being able to make good use of it |
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| 07:29.00 | Arafangion | nvz: Python's one of my favorite languages, it's the most practical one I've used so far. (And I've used a fair few) |
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| 07:29.40 | nvz | Arafangion: I find its use of whitespace annoyingly effective |
| 07:29.52 | Arafangion | nvz: Heh. It does have good and bad points there. |
| 07:30.26 | nvz | I've always used idle the piece of shit that it is cause it knows how to handle whitespace as I go along and I dont have to think about it |
| 07:30.48 | Arafangion | nvz: I use vim, myself. |
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| 07:31.01 | nvz | yeah was never a fan of vi* |
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| 07:31.16 | Arafangion | nvz: I don't like vi, only vim. |
| 07:31.26 | nvz | but it takes a programmer to fully appreciate more advanced text editors |
| 07:31.32 | nvz | I like mine as simple as possible |
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| 07:32.11 | Arafangion | nvz: I get frustrated with the likes of nano "How do I delete whole words?" |
| 07:32.51 | nvz | Arafangion: yeah mped was my fav, the minimum profit editor that is no longer in debian for some reason. It did syntax highlighting and understood basics like the emacs yank |
| 07:33.05 | Arrowmaster | i heard about a nano with syntax highlighting once, mind blown |
| 07:33.30 | nvz | I wish someone would come in asking some dumb questions already |
| 07:33.35 | nvz | I'm bored outta my mind.. heh |
| 07:34.12 | nvz | its 3am, and I'm not tired.. so.. |
| 07:34.28 | Arafangion | Ok... Here's one: Is the LinuxFromScratch project useful? |
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| 07:34.55 | nvz | haha.. useful for wasting my time.. |
| 07:35.03 | cahoot | OT at least |
| 07:35.05 | nvz | I meant like on topic questions |
| 07:35.05 | CruX| | :) |
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| 07:35.17 | nvz | cause I could go anywhere for random questions |
| 07:35.27 | CruX| | squeeze will use grub2 ? |
| 07:35.40 | nvz | god I hope not.. heh |
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| 07:36.01 | nvz | I already had to learn grub when I was perfectly happy with lilo |
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| 07:36.23 | nvz | still dont know it quite as well |
| 07:36.52 | CruX| | lilo can't read filesystem tree, all kernels must be hardcoded in lilo.conf |
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| 07:37.08 | nvz | that being said I could probably spend this time learning.. but lets not get overboard.. hah |
| 07:37.15 | Arafangion | And lilo.conf will reference the actual, physical location of the kernel image on the hard drive. |
| 07:37.24 | nvz | I liked everything being in one damn file |
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| 07:37.50 | nvz | I dont wanna have to search for one of 5 settings a program has in 400 different places |
| 07:37.53 | nvz | heh |
| 07:38.05 | Arafangion | nvz: Grub is hardly alone in that trend. |
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| 07:38.36 | nvz | Arafangion: oh I know in some ways apache2 is more logical, but in others its just a pain in my ass when it comes to configs |
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| 07:39.10 | nvz | I now have to think about what sort of setting I'm trying to change and play a mystery game with which file thats in |
| 07:39.11 | Arafangion | nvz: I agree. That said, grub is more or less an OS in its own right. |
| 07:40.04 | nvz | when I came to linux I liked the way everything was a file, and there was a familiarly logical structure to the filesystem and I easily knew where everything was |
| 07:40.49 | nvz | just a couple hours ago totem refused to playback audio on a video I wanted to watch that xine played back fine.. I found myself removing totem-gstreamer and installing totem-xine just to solve my issue with wating to watch it in totem |
| 07:41.07 | Arafangion | nvz: Linux takes its ideas from _everywhere_, there... For better or worse. |
| 07:41.19 | Arafangion | nvz: I think Plan9's more "pure" with the "everything is a file" concept. |
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| 07:41.24 | nvz | point being, it never used to be that hard to figure out why it cant find a codec, or how to just change the default backend without having to remove it.. etc |
| 07:42.03 | nvz | idk to me it really seems like everything is a file.. of one of 4 types.. even hardware becomes a file, and sockets..etc |
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| 07:43.14 | nvz | I mean I am kinda lazy about not looking shit like that up, I'll do research to solve peoples problems in here, but when it comes to my own.. if I'm only gonna do it once, I'm gonna do whatever is quickest. |
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| 07:43.41 | nvz | usually its quicker to just do what I know will work than to learn how its done |
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| 07:44.55 | cpf_ | Q: When will libreoffice be in official squeeze? |
| 07:45.21 | nvz | squeeze is releasing in like a week or two.. so its probably already frozen |
| 07:45.28 | nvz | as in anything thats not in there now, wont be |
| 07:46.02 | CruX| | kde4 will be there ? |
| 07:46.09 | nvz | judd: versions libreoffice |
| 07:46.11 | judd | Package libreoffice on i386 -- experimental: 1:3.3.0~rc4-1 |
| 07:46.33 | nvz | yeah whatever that is, its only in experimental, its not even in debian unstable yet |
| 07:46.40 | nvz | !info libreoffice |
| 07:47.16 | nvz | judd, versions kde |
| 07:47.18 | judd | Package kde on i386 -- etch: 5:47; lenny: 5:48; sid: 5:66; squeeze: 5:66 |
| 07:47.19 | cpf_ | nvz, Well, and it's still rc4, not the official release yet. |
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| 07:48.01 | nvz | yeah well like I said, squeeze is frozen and going to be released early next month supposedly |
| 07:48.11 | cpf_ | I guess I'll wait a bit and watch for news... :) |
| 07:48.20 | cpf_ | In squeeze probably not of course. |
| 07:48.27 | nvz | so.. something not officially released like that isn't gonna wind up in an upcomming debian stable release |
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| 07:48.36 | cpf_ | But (if I'm right) squeeze will become stable, and something else (sid?) will become unstable, right? |
| 07:48.41 | nvz | cpf_: whats it for anyhow? |
| 07:48.52 | nvz | cpf_: sid is always unstable |
| 07:48.54 | cpf_ | nvz, It's a fork of openoffice.org |
| 07:49.01 | cpf_ | nvz, Oh, that never changes? |
| 07:49.07 | nvz | cpf_: nope |
| 07:49.19 | cpf_ | Currently squeeze is unstable as well, or am I wrong? |
| 07:49.27 | nvz | cpf_: hasn't changed in the last 10 years, squeeze is testing |
| 07:49.32 | cpf_ | Oh |
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| 07:49.42 | nvz | cpf_: in debian new packages that work go into unstable.. |
| 07:49.42 | cpf_ | So something else will become testing, right? |
| 07:49.55 | H2S04 | /buffer 8 |
| 07:50.07 | jmarsden | wheezy will become testing when squeeze becomes stable. |
| 07:50.08 | nvz | cpf_: then if they are in unstable and have no RC bugs for like 10 days, they get moved into testing provided its not frozen |
| 07:50.26 | nvz | cpf_: when the entire testing branch is free of RC bugs it becomes stable |
| 07:50.30 | cpf_ | nvz, I know the cycle, but just not the names yet :) |
| 07:50.46 | cpf_ | jmarsden, thanks, probably the one I'll be running soon. |
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| 07:51.10 | nvz | I dont see how one can understand the release cycle and not know that squeeze is testing and that sid is always unstable |
| 07:51.25 | cpf_ | nvz, My bad... |
| 07:51.37 | cpf_ | I figured it just shifted always. |
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| 07:51.53 | nvz | jmarsden: so the next release has been named officially? |
| 07:52.14 | jmarsden | I believe so, yes. I forget where I saw that... |
| 07:52.44 | nvz | cpf_: na sid is named after a specific character in Toy Story 1 because he breaks all the toys.. and thats what sid is.. always breaking stuff |
| 07:53.16 | nvz | as for this "wheezy" you mention, I seen all the movies.. don't know where that name comes from |
| 07:53.50 | jmarsden | http://www.debianadmin.com/next-debian-release-will-be-called-%E2%80%9Cwheezy%E2%80%9D-debian-7-0.html # is one source |
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| 07:54.18 | nvz | I do know the day we start coming up with stupid names like hardy heron, and jaunty jackalope, and calling our sections "universe" and shit.. I'm not using or supporting debian anymore |
| 07:54.27 | nvz | heh |
| 07:54.31 | jmarsden | wheezy is the rubber toy penguin with the red bow tie |
| 07:54.35 | nvz | ah |
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| 07:56.10 | nvz | Ubuntu is a royal pain in my ass, as I have been using it in some cases cause its slightly easier to install and usually the users ask me less dumb questions.. but supporting it is a pain in the ass, it gets released with way too many bugs and the shit changes so fast I dont have the time or patience to keep up with the mess |
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| 07:57.14 | nvz | tried helping a friend the other day with a dvd issue, come to find out I didn't know f'n squat about how to fix a problem i coulda easily solved in debian |
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| 10:14.38 | Arafangion | I'm trying to figure out where my partitions are, however I'm confused. What does this mean? |
| 10:14.41 | Arafangion | http://pastebin.com/fDvY0Rva |
| 10:14.58 | Arafangion | What is this whole /dev/mapper thing? Am I using LVM? |
| 10:15.44 | EmleyMoor | Arafangion: Looks like it |
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| 10:15.59 | Arafangion | Hmm. |
| 10:16.17 | Arafangion | ANy useful references that I can use to give myself a crash course in LVM tasks? |
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| 10:17.10 | EmleyMoor | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/index.html |
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| 10:20.18 | cornair | and I got now a error messaing in /var/log/auth |
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| 10:22.07 | cornair | the think is; I have tested it via localhost -> no provlem, ssh with pubkey to other host -> no prob. connect to me with the key -> not possible anymore |
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| 10:26.26 | a_l_e | hi, in debian testing i'm trying to get chromium into full screen modus... but it does not react to the F11 key (iceweasel, does: so the F11 key is working) |
| 10:26.29 | a_l_e | any idea? |
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| 10:27.36 | Niglop | what is the difference between debian and a desktop environment? |
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| 10:28.24 | a_l_e | Niglop: debian is a distribution and KDE, Gnome, XFCE are desktop environements... |
| 10:28.40 | Niglop | a_l_e but lets say im using linux mint debian |
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| 10:28.45 | Niglop | wouldnt linux mint be the distro..? |
| 10:28.49 | a_l_e | the first manages how programs get into your computer and how they are configured... |
| 10:28.51 | Arafangion | Niglop: Debian provides a choice of several desktop environments. |
| 10:28.57 | a_l_e | the second one let you configure the way you work |
| 10:29.08 | Niglop | uhh |
| 10:29.23 | a_l_e | (add printers, choose screen savers, switch monitors,....) |
| 10:29.23 | Niglop | what do you mean get into the pc and how they are configured? |
| 10:29.35 | Arafangion | Niglop: Linux Mint, as does Ubuntu, typically just gives you a particular setup. |
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| 10:29.49 | Niglop | so like the kernel apt manager etc? |
| 10:29.54 | Niglop | and then debian is all the software? |
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| 10:30.06 | a_l_e | debian brings you all the software |
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| 10:30.17 | a_l_e | the desktop manager lets you use it |
| 10:30.22 | leonsk5 | e ai |
| 10:30.25 | Niglop | whats linux mint consist of then |
| 10:30.33 | EmleyMoor | !mint |
| 10:30.33 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also being available, based on <testing>. See also <based on Debian>. |
| 10:30.38 | a_l_e | linux mint is a distribution like debian |
| 10:30.53 | a_l_e | like ubuntu, fedora, red hat, mandriva and lot of othter ones |
| 10:31.06 | Niglop | EmleyMoor it was an example.. |
| 10:31.09 | a_l_e | any chromium users around? |
| 10:31.20 | Niglop | a_l_e i am a chrome user |
| 10:31.24 | Arafangion | a_l_e: I use google chrome. |
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| 10:31.33 | a_l_e | can you get it into full screen? |
| 10:31.38 | Niglop | f11 |
| 10:31.44 | Niglop | okay heres my example: http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1604 |
| 10:31.46 | a_l_e | Niglop: are you using debian testing? |
| 10:31.52 | Niglop | will be soon |
| 10:31.53 | Arafangion | a_l_e: My WM supports full screen very well, so yes. |
| 10:32.07 | Arafangion | a_l_e: F11 also works (thanks Niglop!) |
| 10:32.10 | Niglop | np |
| 10:32.14 | a_l_e | Arafangion: in debian testing? |
| 10:32.16 | babilen | a_l_e: Works wonderful here, but this is chromium, not chrome. (0.9 from experimental) on awesome |
| 10:32.20 | Niglop | okay see the link above, how can it be 2 different distros? |
| 10:32.37 | a_l_e | i need feedback from somebody using chromium in debian testing... |
| 10:32.42 | EmleyMoor | How can *what* be 2 different distros? |
| 10:32.46 | Niglop | http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1604 |
| 10:32.47 | Arafangion | a_l_e: Yes, in squeeze. |
| 10:32.53 | a_l_e | i've read that it must work, but i can't get it to work in here. |
| 10:33.15 | EmleyMoor | Niglop: I am asking for an explanation of your perspective |
| 10:33.17 | a_l_e | it just does not react. firefox does... so the key is working |
| 10:33.36 | Niglop | EmleyMoor it is *linux mint* AND *debian* which are two different distrobutions? I dont understand |
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| 10:33.51 | daemonkeeper | Niglop: It is not two distributions. It is one distribution based on Debian, in contrast to the main edition of Mint which is based on Ubuntu |
| 10:33.57 | a_l_e | so, Arafangion, you have chromium installed from the normal squeeze repositories and F11 is working? |
| 10:33.58 | EmleyMoor | There are two different Linux Mint distributions - one based on Ubuntu (which is based on Debian) and one based more closely on Debian |
| 10:33.59 | a_l_e | argh! |
| 10:34.14 | Niglop | daemonkeeper so if it is based on debian, what of it makes it linux mint? |
| 10:34.15 | EmleyMoor | We support pure Debian on here |
| 10:34.16 | Arafangion | a_l_e: No. I have google chrome installed from google, and F11 is working. |
| 10:34.21 | a_l_e | argh! |
| 10:34.24 | daemonkeeper | Niglop: The name. |
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| 10:34.35 | daemonkeeper | Niglop: Ask Mint people what they changed. |
| 10:34.40 | Niglop | daemonkeeper so its practically debian that has been spieced up to look like mint? |
| 10:35.03 | a_l_e | it's nice to know that people with different setups get it to work... but my question is: can somebody *with the same setup as i have* get it to work? |
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| 10:35.12 | daemonkeeper | I think, more or less. Chances are they include some drivers as well, Debian does not ship because of its philosophy. |
| 10:35.22 | a_l_e | debian testing with chromium (not debian experimental nor chrome) |
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| 10:35.30 | Arafangion | Niglop: In much the same way as if you were to download Debian, change a few things to suit your fancy, called it "NiglopLinux", and sent it to a bunch of people. That would become the "NiglopLinux" distribution. |
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| 10:35.46 | Arafangion | a_l_e: Let me install it. |
| 10:35.46 | daemonkeeper | But again, Niglop, you are here in #debian. Ask Mint people those things. |
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| 10:35.54 | Niglop | okay thanks guys |
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| 10:35.55 | Niglop | appreciate it |
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| 10:35.58 | TheNoOne | hi ... i'm running lenny and trying to recover a lvm inside a raid1 ... i've got only on member disk of the raid1 and i can't get mdadm to work .. http://paste.pocoo.org/show/nu1BPof6rgBIC4H3d6qY/ ... thanks! |
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| 10:37.39 | Arafangion | a_l_e: Nice, chromium works beautifully. F11 also works. |
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| 10:38.17 | Arafangion | a_l_e: It is possible that if F11 is not working for you, it could be an unfortunate interaction between the browser, and your window manager / desktop environment of choice. |
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| 10:39.33 | babilen | a_l_e: What is your WM/DE? It works with the version in squeeze too. |
| 10:39.35 | a_l_e | Arafangion: the strange part is that it is working in iceweasel |
| 10:39.50 | a_l_e | i'm using wmii... |
| 10:39.58 | a_l_e | ok, now i know that it should be working... |
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| 10:40.10 | Arafangion | a_l_e: That's a tiling window manager, right? It's possible that that does funky stuff. |
| 10:40.11 | Niglop | one more thing |
| 10:40.17 | Niglop | where can I find the list of software that comes with debian |
| 10:40.21 | babilen | good choice, although kris is a bit overworked and wmii does not receive the same amount of commits as dwm. |
| 10:40.23 | Arafangion | a_l_e: Incidentially, I'm using "Awesome", another tiling WM. |
| 10:40.25 | a_l_e | Arafangion: well, it mostly just works... |
| 10:41.15 | EmleyMoor | Niglop: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 10:41.32 | babilen | a_l_e: awesome here too -- i remember that there is some key combination in wmii (mod-f?) to maximise windows. does that work? |
| 10:41.38 | Niglop | thanks sir |
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| 10:41.50 | a_l_e | babilen: yes it works... but it does not hide the url bar and the tab list... |
| 10:42.19 | a_l_e | and it's correct... i have also to put chromium in "full window mode"... |
| 10:42.25 | babilen | a_l_e: Also, could you (just for debugging purposes) try it in a different WM (awesome, xmonad, fluxbox -- whatever rocks your boat) |
| 10:42.50 | a_l_e | i have to try on another computer... no other wm here... |
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| 10:43.50 | babilen | a_l_e: Install it -- start x on another computer |
| 10:44.00 | babilen | s/computer/display |
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| 10:47.33 | a_l_e | ... installing chromium.... |
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| 10:56.00 | Arafangion | Why might I be getting the following result: |
| 10:56.01 | Arafangion | arafangion@silver:/mnt/hdb1/archives$ diff -br 2009-09-17 2009-09-17-old |
| 10:56.01 | Arafangion | diff: 2009-09-17/.gaim/logs: No such file or directory |
| 10:56.53 | Arafangion | It is infact, a broken symbolic link, but I still don't understand that message as far as a directory diff is concerned. |
| 10:58.48 | DodgeThis | i people how can i prevent from debian dont eject cd after instalation?? |
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| 10:59.18 | a_l_e | babilen: ok, it works with lxde... |
| 10:59.31 | EmleyMoor | DodgeThis: Can you explain that more clearly? |
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| 10:59.40 | a_l_e | so, it's a wmii problem... and i think i understand why it does not work with wmii... |
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| 11:00.10 | Arafangion | a_l_e: And why's that? |
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| 11:00.22 | a_l_e | ... chromium does try to put itself in full screen mode, while iceweasel just hides all decorations |
| 11:00.49 | DodgeThis | ok the problem is this: i'm doing a remote instalation on a datacenter but when anything goes wrong a i have to wait that some on inser again the cd |
| 11:00.51 | babilen | a_l_e: that might just be the reason :) |
| 11:00.53 | a_l_e | i will have to wait for the new debian stable and getting a new version of wmii... |
| 11:01.04 | DodgeThis | for instalation |
| 11:01.14 | a_l_e | any idea when squeeze will be stable? |
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| 11:01.23 | Arafangion | a_l_e: When it's ready. |
| 11:01.30 | EmleyMoor | DodgeThis: Not sure you can do much if anything about that - it's likely down to the CD drive |
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| 11:01.32 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:01.45 | a_l_e | (well, i'm not really waiting for squeeze getting to stable status... but for newer packages getting into testing!) |
| 11:01.48 | Arafangion | cahoot: Wow, it has a date now? Nice. |
| 11:01.49 | babilen | a_l_e: I wouldn't bother with that. Just install wmii-hg yourself. -- /msg dpkg usrlocal -- /msg dpkg stow -- There is no point in waiting. wmii is a tiny piece of software and you can just use the hg version .. |
| 11:01.51 | a_l_e | Arafangion: when is it ready? |
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| 11:02.23 | babilen | a_l_e: The release is expected for 5/6 February |
| 11:02.25 | Arafangion | a_l_e: Other distributions sometimes release with a broken OpenOffice.org (For a predominantly desktop audience), just to be released on a specific date. (Ubuntu, for instance). Not Debian. |
| 11:03.04 | a_l_e | well... Arafangion, i've already experienced debian never releasing... while other distribution do release :-) |
| 11:03.07 | DodgeThis | EmleyMoor is the normal debian do eject the cd after ending the instalation but o dont whant that else i habe to call someone to put the cd back in |
| 11:03.09 | DodgeThis | lol |
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| 11:03.36 | babilen | a_l_e: But even after the latest wmii release by kris things changed. I would strongly recommend trying the current development tip. |
| 11:03.48 | a_l_e | however, it's nice to hear that a release is planned for the beginnings of february! |
| 11:04.02 | Arafangion | a_l_e: Personally, I like debian's slow release cycle. I have better things to do than to update debian. |
| 11:04.17 | EmleyMoor | DodgeThis: Many machines close the tray when reset... that would have the effect you want. Other drives do not respond to the eject - so it stays in. |
| 11:04.29 | babilen | DodgeThis: I think the rationale behind this is â allow booting into the system after the installation and don't end up in a installation endless loop |
| 11:04.36 | a_l_e | Arafangion: i have no big problems with it, either (since i'm not stable)... my problem is that now testing is blocked. |
| 11:05.11 | a_l_e | so, not releasing often is not really my problem... but a long beta status is a problem for me... |
| 11:05.12 | babilen | a_l_e: Don't like frozen squeeze? yummy! But you don't have to wait much longer :) |
| 11:05.13 | EmleyMoor | a_l_e: You're waiting for wheezy to appear |
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| 11:05.40 | DodgeThis | i could boot by selection on bios the hd bypassing the boot cd :) |
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| 11:05.49 | Arafangion | Who's Wheezy? |
| 11:06.03 | babilen | !wheezy |
| 11:06.03 | dpkg | The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. |
| 11:06.15 | Arafangion | Ahh, the penguin. |
| 11:06.40 | babilen | is waiting for "Debian Troll" (will be Debian 12) |
| 11:06.51 | a_l_e | yep, nice to know that there are chances that upgraded packages will be getting in in february! |
| 11:07.09 | Arafangion | a_l_e: If you're so desperate, just back port them yourself. |
| 11:07.29 | Arafangion | a_l_e: How long have you used Debian? |
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| 11:07.43 | babilen | a_l_e: I wouldn't ride testing directly after the release but wait for some time, to let it settle down. A lot of things will flow into unstable and testing after the release. |
| 11:07.57 | Arafangion | usually waits a year. |
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| 11:08.18 | babilen | I wait something like 6-14 months .... |
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| 11:09.08 | a_l_e | Arafangion: i probably started with woody... (or potato)... sometime arond 2001... |
| 11:09.11 | Arafangion | Infact, I usually upgrade to testing only as neccessary, which is usually because of new hardware. |
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| 11:09.36 | Arafangion | a_l_e: Same as me, then - I started with potato, but that was closer to 1995, afaik. |
| 11:10.09 | EmleyMoor | I started when slink was stable - and never used testing for anything serious unless the hardware demanded it |
| 11:10.13 | a_l_e | no, ... in 1995 there was no debian, yet :-) (wikipedia sayz) |
| 11:10.25 | a_l_e | ... no release at least :-) |
| 11:10.26 | EmleyMoor | slink was around in 1999 |
| 11:10.42 | EmleyMoor | 1995 was pre-buzz |
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| 11:11.56 | a_l_e | """The new freeze policy aims to provide better predictability of releases for users of the Debian distribution, and to allow Debian developers to do better long-term planning.""" :-) |
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| 11:12.53 | a_l_e | ... 8 month of freezing time is a bit long, though, on a 2 years release cycle... |
| 11:13.45 | Arafangion | a_l_e: You still get security and bug fixes, as long as the basic functionality has not changed. |
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| 11:13.56 | [XrCT]Creation | good day all |
| 11:14.01 | EmleyMoor | a_l_e: Freezing is preparing a release - releases only come when they are ready, and SIYH. |
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| 11:15.26 | a_l_e | yes, but as babilen correctly noted, if you freeze for 8 months, then you have almost too many packages having to be upgraded when the new testing starts... and also for the desktop users, 8 months without upgrades can be a long time! |
| 11:16.04 | EmleyMoor | a_l_e: This new schedule hasn't bedded in yet |
| 11:16.18 | themill | a_l_e: "siyh" still applies. |
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| 11:16.28 | a_l_e | EmleyMoor: it's written in wikipdia: it must be true! :-))) |
| 11:16.29 | themill | thinks this discussion has gone around in circles enough times |
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| 11:17.29 | EmleyMoor | It's true, but not "bedded in" - it's not been the case long enough to have settled properly |
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| 11:20.46 | [XrCT]Creation | any romanians around here ? :) |
| 11:21.44 | petemc | !ro |
| 11:21.44 | dpkg | Pentru ajutor in limba romana va rugam vizitati #debian-ro pe irc.oftc.net. Romanian users: for help in romanian, please visit #debian-ro on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 11:35.16 | [XrCT]Creation | petemc: whe have a romanian channel right here on freenode and i was wondering if other romanians are here too |
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| 11:36.16 | petemc | [XrCT]Creation: if its busier than the oftc channel you might want to change the factoid |
| 11:36.38 | sidRo | !ro |
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| 11:37.24 | [XrCT]Creation | petemc: the channel is new and was created here to be on the same network with the main debian irc channel |
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| 11:38.46 | daemonkeeper | Well, the "main" Debian IRC channel is on OFTC |
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| 11:42.20 | [XrCT]Creation | daemonkeeper: well i dont suppose that is a bad thing if we have a romanian channel here as well, do you ? |
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| 11:43.58 | daemonkeeper | Surely its not. I just said the OFTC one is the primary channel (speak: where users end, when they connect to irc.debian.org) |
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| 11:46.32 | [XrCT]Creation | i see |
| 11:46.43 | [XrCT]Creation | i just saw the same info`s on the OFTC site |
| 11:46.54 | [XrCT]Creation | we will try and coloborate with the users there as well |
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| 12:40.14 | Sicelo | just thinking: i always assumed this channel was the same at the one on irc.debian.org |
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| 12:40.27 | Sicelo | now i see i was wrong all along :'( |
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| 12:40.56 | babilen | Sicelo: No need to be sad about that. You can hang out in both. |
| 12:41.20 | djura-san | o/ |
| 12:41.26 | babilen | \o |
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| 12:46.22 | Sicelo | babilen: true :D i'm actually on both already |
| 12:46.42 | Sicelo | like you :P |
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| 12:48.02 | ethanol | that was rather random? |
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| 12:48.15 | themill | he really needs to fix his irc client |
| 12:49.23 | jelly | themill: there's a $a:nickservusername ban now |
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| 12:50.09 | themill | jelly: yeah, that doesn't really make much difference here though |
| 12:50.13 | quuxman | thanks much for the help. Got my new laptop (Sony Vaio X) running very slickly with Debian. Think I'll post a write-up about it. It was very much not a trivial process ;) |
| 12:50.15 | jelly | nod |
| 12:50.21 | ethanol | oh, no join/parts for me. guessing the had connection issues? |
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| 12:51.15 | SethX | hi all |
| 12:51.29 | SethX | i'm reading http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/OpenLDAPSetup , and it mentions a config file |
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| 12:51.55 | SethX | i'm using debian squeeze, and well, there simply is no config file in /etc/ldap/ |
| 12:52.13 | SethX | is that an old doc, is my installation fubared, .. ? |
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| 12:54.11 | ethanol | isn't ldap just lame? |
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| 12:54.39 | SethX | more of a pain in the lower back, if you'd ask me |
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| 12:54.54 | SethX | but i need it to centralize authentication of different services |
| 12:55.28 | jelly | Can one make a reference to the log file name in postrotate scripts in logrotate configuration? As in `ln -fs %LOG%.$(date -I) %LOG%.yesterday` |
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| 13:03.05 | ghoulsblade | hi all, anyone know a good way to make a backup of grub-bootloader in mbr including additional sectors ? found a guide that says additional sectors before the first partition are used, but the way presented to read them out manually is... well.. too manual for my taste since i have a few dozens of disks i'd like to do that with (seems to be the first 63 sectors each 512, but not sure if this is always so) =) |
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| 13:04.57 | cahoot | dd |
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| 13:07.04 | vtts | jelly, how about dateext? |
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| 13:07.36 | ghoulsblade | dd : yes, that's the manual way, so it's the thing usually used ? seemed a bit lowlevel, but it'll work =) |
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| 13:09.40 | Azrael_- | additional sectors? thought the 512byte was all needed |
| 13:10.25 | ghoulsblade | apparently grub stores some stage1 or so in the first 63 free blocks before the first partition, but still reading up on that part |
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| 13:27.52 | niklaswe | hmm must I always flush privileges after i have grant <premission> on a new user? |
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| 13:29.41 | jelly | vtts: I'm already using it, and want to keep symlinks for log.today and log.yesterday updated |
| 13:30.02 | vtts | ah, ok |
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| 13:30.52 | jelly | ghoulsblade: it's called stage1.5 :-| |
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| 13:36.02 | stew | niklaswe: no, grant flushes. you have to flush if you edit tables directly |
| 13:36.37 | Azrael_- | where can i find docu about the mbr/partitions and how/where they are stored and where there is space for the stage 1.5 of grub? |
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| 13:39.03 | stew | Azrael_-: the first sector of the disk (512 bytes) is the mbr. the first 446? bytes is where the boot code is, the rest of the 512 is the primary partition table |
| 13:39.45 | catsup | Azrael_-: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record |
| 13:40.03 | niklaswe | stew: oh okey thanks man |
| 13:40.09 | stew | iirc stage 1.5 is after the mbr but before the first partition |
| 13:40.23 | stew | and stage 2 is in /boot/grub |
| 13:40.27 | jelly | also: 31 sectors is not enough for stage1.5 |
| 13:40.50 | Azrael_- | stew: and i'd like to know more about this space for stage 1.5. the mbr-article doesn't mention anything about it |
| 13:41.32 | catsup | Azrael_-: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_GRUB |
| 13:41.32 | jelly | so if the silly, obsolete CHS bios geometry reports to be H=64 S=32, that's nice for 4KiB alignment but less nice for grub |
| 13:41.53 | catsup | "GRUB Stage 1.5 is located in the first 30 kilobytes of hard disk immediately following the MBR and before the first partition." |
| 13:43.04 | Azrael_- | catsup: i've read that but can't find any information about this space and/or where some more of it may be. |
| 13:43.11 | catsup | what |
| 13:43.29 | catsup | what do you mean |
| 13:43.36 | jelly | now that windows (and soon Linux) partitioning tools leave A WHOLE 1MB space before the first partition, grub people might put the whole loader there |
| 13:43.39 | Azrael_- | there is some free space between mbr and the first partition. i'd like to read some documentation where this is specified |
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| 13:43.54 | catsup | it's not 'specified' |
| 13:44.10 | catsup | the first partition is defined in the partition table |
| 13:44.15 | jelly | Azrael_-: it's a consequence of how MS-DOS MBR places the first partition |
| 13:44.46 | Azrael_- | so it's just a common consense to leave some space after mbr... |
| 13:45.10 | Azrael_- | ? |
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| 13:46.42 | jelly | Azrael_-: typically, it aligns the first partition to the beginning of a head/cylinder, as reported by BIOS. Since the typical BIOS geometry reported says a cylinder has 16 or 255 heads and 63 sectors per head, DOS fdisk puts the first partition at an offset of 63 sectors form the beginning of the disk. |
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| 13:48.03 | jelly | Azrael_-: therefore one has typically 62 sectors (= 31 KiB) unused, placed after the MBR sector and before the start of the first partition |
| 13:48.57 | Azrael_- | ok, thx for the detailed explanation. now i know more |
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| 13:49.44 | jelly | that very offset of 63 sectors makes new disks cry for mercy and be less performant |
| 13:49.46 | jelly | !4kb |
| 13:49.46 | dpkg | [4kb] https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/ATA_4_KiB_sector_issues |
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| 14:16.23 | bassliner | so how can i re-create /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem without having to purge the ssl-cert package in debian? thanks. |
| 14:17.46 | sep | bassliner, perhaps something like make-ssl-cert generate-default-snakeoil --force-overwrite |
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| 14:17.57 | sep | you may want to backup the old one. since it will overwrite |
| 14:18.09 | bassliner | sep: i'm cool with that. |
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| 14:20.58 | bassliner | hm. still tells me "The certificate is only valid for mail.mail.foo.de" when i connect to my site and i have no idea why since i only have "mail.foo.de mail" for the host in /etc/hosts |
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| 14:21.02 | bassliner | no idea why. :) |
| 14:21.12 | bassliner | seems like i really have to build some certs on my own. |
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| 14:23.37 | bassliner | nevermind, built some on my own. |
| 14:23.40 | bassliner | thanks anyways. :-) |
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| 14:34.24 | blinki | does anybody know of a web based ftp client? specifically, one I can host myself. |
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| 14:34.46 | Pryon | don't most browsers speak ftp? |
| 14:34.52 | petemc | ftp:// in the address bar |
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| 14:35.18 | petemc | dont understand the part about hosting a client tho |
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| 14:36.49 | blinki | I'd like to give a user the ability to upload using a web browser |
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| 14:37.03 | blinki | to my existing pureftpd |
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| 14:38.03 | blinki | so while ftp:// works with firefox, and firebug is an extension that would do the same, I want to have the whole thing hosted |
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| 14:38.29 | Allanis | I know CPanel has a browser based FTP |
| 14:38.33 | petemc | blinki: what do you mean hosted? |
| 14:38.45 | gob_bluth | hey, hi, i need to add some command line options to apache (-D), where's the best place to put it .. i was looking in default/apache2 but there's no command line option |
| 14:38.46 | petemc | blinki: you'll need a client at the... client end |
| 14:38.55 | gob_bluth | it's a braindead application written by an even braindeader dev |
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| 14:39.33 | Bartzy|work | Hi |
| 14:39.44 | petemc | gob_bluth: you've written a better http server than apache? |
| 14:40.12 | gob_bluth | no, i'm talking about the php application that requires some server params set |
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| 14:40.21 | blinki | Allanis, petemc:I think I may have found it -> https://fit.jupiterit.com/ |
| 14:40.32 | gob_bluth | like it requirse a few -D items passed via apache's command line, anyway |
| 14:40.33 | petemc | gob_bluth: does httpd -X help ? |
| 14:40.33 | Allanis | :0 |
| 14:40.35 | Allanis | :)* |
| 14:40.48 | petemc | gob_bluth: oh, ignore me |
| 14:40.48 | blinki | php on my server, browser based client that can upload to my ftp |
| 14:41.12 | tf87 | Hi, I have a server that has an arp address on it, even if I /etc/init./networking stop it still responds to pings. I can't find where to delete this address? |
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| 14:41.42 | Bartzy|work | I have 2 ethernet interfaces, only 1 of them has an IP address defined in /etc/network/interfaces ... But still when I do ifconfig eth1 down && ifconfig eth1 up, eth1 gets an IP.. Where it gets it from? |
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| 14:41.55 | babilen | blinki: you mean something like http://www.net2ftp.com/ ? or the one you found yourself? |
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| 14:42.41 | gob_bluth | anybody? the prior dev hacked /usr/sbin/apache2ctl and i really do not want to do that |
| 14:42.48 | gob_bluth | cause updating is going to futz everything up if it is |
| 14:42.55 | blinki | can I run net2ftp on my own instance of apache? |
| 14:43.30 | blinki | if so, that might be another option. thanks. |
| 14:43.45 | tf87 | gob_bluth, what is your question? |
| 14:44.09 | gob_bluth | where to set a bunch of apache2 ifdefines (the -D) |
| 14:44.34 | Bartzy|work | anyone ? |
| 14:45.06 | EmleyMoor | Bartzy|work: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:45.19 | EmleyMoor | !pb |
| 14:45.24 | EmleyMoor | Er... |
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| 14:45.46 | EmleyMoor | Use http://paste.debian.net or similar |
| 14:46.16 | Bartzy|work | EmleyMoor: http://pastebin.com/1Rcw4sPq |
| 14:46.42 | Bartzy|work | See that eth1 is not even there... I did /etc/init.d/networking restart, and still eth1 has an IP of 10.10.10.11 |
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| 14:46.58 | stew | gob_bluth: looking at apache2ctl, you can set the APACHE_ARGUMENTS envvar in /etc/default/apache |
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| 14:47.40 | EmleyMoor | Bartzy|work: Something must be serving it one by dhcp... are you running any network manager package? |
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| 14:49.46 | gob_bluth | stew: hey thanks, but that didn't seem to work, let me check the apache2ctl |
| 14:49.55 | Bartzy|work | EmleyMoor: I checked ps -ef | grep dhclient , and pump, and there's nothing |
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| 14:50.16 | gob_bluth | APACHE_ARGUMENTS="-Dlive -D`hostname`" |
| 14:50.44 | EmleyMoor | Bartzy|work: Presumably there are other devices in your network... |
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| 14:51.00 | stew | gob_bluth: where does that appear? |
| 14:51.11 | Bartzy|work | EmleyMoor: What other devices have to do with it ? |
| 14:51.23 | gob_bluth | in /etc/apache2/default -- that must be a system wide var ? |
| 14:51.46 | EmleyMoor | They could be serving the dhcp. The client only runs when communicating with it |
| 14:52.14 | stew | gob_bluth: i'd expect that to work, but if your apache2ctl has been changed, who knows |
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| 14:52.49 | gob_bluth | this is a test server, so it's a stock apache2ctl ... let check again |
| 14:53.33 | EmleyMoor | Anyway, try this: add "iface eth1 inet manual" to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:53.42 | stew | gob_bluth: you can run "bash -x /etc/init.d/apache2 restart" to see what actualy happens |
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| 15:02.51 | ypnos | hi |
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| 15:02.59 | ypnos | I use debian lenny with backports kernel |
| 15:03.15 | ypnos | can I use virtualbox on it? it seems virtualbox modules package is not available for that kernel |
| 15:03.21 | iaj | where are all those thingies stored that are usually being called by /.../.../ restart? |
| 15:03.25 | ypnos | or would you recommend another virtualization solution |
| 15:03.55 | babilen | ,versions virtualbox-ose |
| 15:03.56 | judd | Package virtualbox-ose on i386 -- etch-backports: 1.6.6-dfsg-3~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.6.6-dfsg-3; lenny-backports: 3.2.4-dfsg-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.2.10-dfsg-1; sid: 3.2.12-dfsg-1 |
| 15:04.08 | babilen | ypnos: it is in lenny-backports too |
| 15:04.31 | babilen | ypnos: As is virtualbox-ose-dkms |
| 15:04.46 | babilen | (and probably the rest of the packages too) |
| 15:05.18 | ypnos | on http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox it says you also need virtualbox-ose-modules* package |
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| 15:06.16 | babilen | ypnos: -dkms will build kernel modules |
| 15:06.36 | ypnos | thanks |
| 15:06.41 | babilen | ypnos: that is also noted on the wiki btw :) |
| 15:07.21 | ypnos | man I'm stupid |
| 15:07.38 | ypnos | it really says "Lenny Backports" there just below. jesus. sorry for bothering you |
| 15:07.48 | babilen | no problem :) |
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| 15:11.48 | ypnos | for some weird reason aptitude offers me only virtualbox-ose Version: 1.6.6-dfsg-3, not the one from backports |
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| 15:12.09 | ypnos | while virtualbox-ose-dkms is the current backports version |
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| 15:13.37 | ypnos | installing virtualbox-ose-qt explicitely installed the right version of virtualbox-ose, after complaining |
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| 15:14.10 | babilen | ypnos: how are you trying to install virtualbox-ose? |
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| 15:14.29 | babilen | And what is it complaining about â http://paste.debian.net |
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| 15:18.34 | Shadow` | k, im sick of it, debian is bugged as fuck for desktop use, ubuntu is complete suck... last time im even trying to run fucking linux |
| 15:18.41 | blinki | is there some setting in the debian rules that causes a custom kernel to be such a mouthful? linux-image-2.6.26.012611_2.6.26.012611-amd64-10.00.Custom_amd64.deb is a bit redundant |
| 15:18.55 | blinki | cool Shadow`. |
| 15:19.16 | Shadow` | 10 forced restarts in a couple of days \o/ |
| 15:19.20 | Shadow` | what u mean more stable? |
| 15:19.38 | babilen | Shadow`: May you have more fun with Windows, *BSD, BeOS, Plan9, *UX, or whatever you plan to use now. But may I inquire what your problems are? |
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| 15:20.25 | Shadow` | today, few min ago |
| 15:20.40 | Shadow` | 4th time either xwindow, gdm, compiz or keyboard/mouse drivers fail |
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| 15:20.59 | Shadow` | i cant possibly switch to tty1 if ANYTHING seems to go wrong with debian... EVER |
| 15:20.59 | ypnos | babilen: see my session here: http://paste.debian.net/105715/ |
| 15:21.17 | Shadow` | i love using debian, but the unstability is driving me nuts |
| 15:22.01 | babilen | Shadow`: I find this remarkable as I have never experienced this level of unstability. I would blame compiz though (easy target, i know) or some unfortunate misconfiguration of your system. |
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| 15:22.37 | Shadow` | few days ago i woke up |
| 15:22.40 | Shadow` | entire system was completely frozen |
| 15:22.46 | babilen | Shadow`: Could you try the versions in Squeeze on a standard installation and report bugs if you still run into these issues. There is very little we can do if you just whine here. |
| 15:23.07 | Shadow` | i run some web things from my system, it restarting/crashing is not a good thing |
| 15:23.16 | stew | Shadow`: i'd suspect hardware failure |
| 15:23.24 | Shadow` | lol |
| 15:23.25 | Shadow` | k |
| 15:23.26 | Shadow` | which one? |
| 15:23.28 | babilen | Shadow`: That might also be caused by a hardware issue, like faulty ram (memtest will tell you) or else. |
| 15:23.29 | Shadow` | my brand new motherboard? |
| 15:23.31 | Shadow` | new harddisk? |
| 15:23.41 | Shadow` | memory is fine |
| 15:23.47 | Shadow` | memtest doesnt report issues |
| 15:23.47 | stew | Shadow`: memory is the first thing to check, memtest86 can help |
| 15:23.54 | stew | then yeah, motherboard would be next |
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| 15:23.59 | Shadow` | i scanned my disks, memory, even did some stability tests by wasting its resources |
| 15:24.04 | Shadow` | NOTHING points to hardwar issues |
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| 15:24.44 | blinki | I've had machines pass memtest, with ram in the mobo per HCL, and still crash because of memory issues. just saying. |
| 15:24.49 | babilen | ypnos: You have to tell aptitude that you want to install from lenny-backports. "aptitude -t lenny-backports install virtualbox-ose" -- it can't know that because Debian does not provide an apt-userbrain interface as of now |
| 15:24.54 | Shadow` | i got several RAM sticks |
| 15:24.56 | Shadow` | i used em all |
| 15:24.57 | Shadow` | no change |
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| 15:25.24 | stew | Shadow`: if this happens on your hardware, but not for the majority of other debian users using the exact same software, it points to hardware |
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| 15:25.44 | Shadow` | ofc it does |
| 15:26.04 | Shadow` | thanks for that useless info stew, thought a bit of ranting might help me stick with debian |
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| 15:26.13 | Shadow` | guess not if u guys easily just say 'hardware failure' |
| 15:26.21 | BLOB0 | :p |
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| 15:26.31 | babilen | Shadow`: It might also be that you particular hardware is handled by a buggy module/driver. I would honestly consider trying a newer (kernel?) version and re-checking the hardware again. But if you want to run a different operating system instead, I will not stop you. |
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| 15:26.53 | stew | Shadow`: can you tell me how I might try to reporoduce the bug you found? |
| 15:27.12 | Shadow` | pressing mouse1 + mouse2 at the same time |
| 15:27.18 | Shadow` | it wiped out my system twice today |
| 15:27.32 | ypnos | babilen: I thought it would always prefer newest version available. I also have /etc/apt/preferences which gives lenny-backports pin-priority 200 |
| 15:27.35 | stew | Shadow`: hmm, that doesn't crash my system |
| 15:27.51 | angelsl | Shadow`: did you say that you're on a terribly outdated squeeze? |
| 15:28.04 | Shadow` | accidently pressing a few keys on my keyboard at the same time freezes everything except active window |
| 15:28.11 | Shadow` | terribly? |
| 15:28.21 | angelsl | yes, 300 new versions of packages |
| 15:28.24 | angelsl | i believe that counts |
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| 15:28.34 | stew | that type of bug would never make it into squeeze (if it were actually a software bug) |
| 15:28.44 | Shadow` | because i didnt update acpi-support-base from 1.138-5 to 1.138-6? |
| 15:28.50 | Shadow` | oh noes i bet they fixed my issues |
| 15:29.05 | angelsl | Shadow`: being sarcastic will not help you in this channel |
| 15:29.22 | Shadow` | theres shit bugging for practically meaningless updates every day |
| 15:29.30 | babilen | ypnos: If that were the case all packages you have that are available in lenny-backports would be upgraded. The pin is meant to ensure that packages installed from lenny-backports are upgraded if a new version is available from backports. See "apt-cache policy PKG_NAME" for the priorities. I would suspect a priority of 500 for stable, 200 for lenny-backports and 100 for installed packages. |
| 15:29.42 | abrotman | Shadow`: you're also missing dozens of security patches .. don't be an ass, update your system |
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| 15:29.52 | Shadow` | i just pressed update |
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| 15:30.02 | stew | though its really silly to mess with the software until the hardware issues are solved |
| 15:30.04 | Shadow` | altho im quite sure it wont help a single thing |
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| 15:30.11 | Shadow` | my hardware is fine |
| 15:30.22 | Shadow` | stress tests dont do shit |
| 15:30.27 | Shadow` | how come debian somehow can? |
| 15:30.31 | Shadow` | in normal desktop usage? |
| 15:30.34 | stew | Shadow`: can you please stop hitting enter so much |
| 15:30.41 | ypnos | babilen: right. would that mean if I give prio 1000, all my packages would be upgraded to backports? |
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| 15:31.14 | stew | Shadow`: try putting the same hard drive into another computer so that only the software (and the hard drive) are the same, see if it is still as 'buggy' |
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| 15:31.55 | Shadow` | i reinstalled debian twice already |
| 15:31.58 | Shadow` | on different drives |
| 15:32.07 | stew | Shadow`: please stop hitting enter in place of punctuation |
| 15:32.12 | babilen | Shadow`: Please calm down. Consider using punctuation and understand that *we* spend our time voluntarily to help *you* -- Try to make it easy for us and understand that we can't fix anything if we can't reproduce the issue. Your issues are typical for hardware problems, but it is not said that they have to be caused by hardware problems. I would suggest to upgrade your stable system to the newest versions and ditch compiz for the time being. |
| 15:32.52 | Shadow` | i know you guys voluntarely trying to help me, i was able to reproduce 1 error, which is the mouse1+mouse2 thing which basically freezes my system except the active window |
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| 15:33.06 | babilen | Shadow`: Another option would be to try Squeeze (the upcoming release of Debian, expected to be released 4/5 February) |
| 15:33.13 | Shadow` | im on squeeze |
| 15:33.14 | angelsl | babilen: he is on squeeze |
| 15:33.16 | stew | can anyone else reporoduce this bug where mouse1+mouse2 causes the system to freeze? |
| 15:33.21 | angelsl | just, with some 300 outdated packages |
| 15:33.34 | babilen | angelsl: Ah, not a good thing. |
| 15:33.38 | angelsl | Shadow`: does this freeze occur only when you're doing it in wine? |
| 15:33.43 | Shadow` | i just tried mouse1+mouse2, this time nothing happened |
| 15:33.45 | babilen | Shadow`: Please upgrade your system first. |
| 15:33.50 | Shadow` | altho it froze system twice today |
| 15:33.51 | Shadow` | i am updating |
| 15:34.18 | stew | do you really believe that there was once a version of some package in squeeze that would cause random freezes when pressing 2 mousebuttons? |
| 15:34.30 | angelsl | sid, maybe, not squeeze |
| 15:34.35 | angelsl | not at this point of time anyway |
| 15:34.36 | babilen | stew: surely not :) |
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| 15:34.50 | Shadow` | ye i believe its delibretaly put in the repositories and is automatically downloaded without confirmation when you boot up debian just to piss me off |
| 15:34.59 | angelsl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:35.22 | stew | ok, now this is just silly |
| 15:35.26 | stew | and a waste of time |
| 15:35.38 | Shadow` | it sure been a waste of time trying to use debian as a desktop |
| 15:35.43 | angelsl | i'm not losing sleep over this. goodnight. it's 23:35. need to wake up in 7 hours. |
| 15:35.45 | Shadow` | spending days if not weeks getting stuff to work |
| 15:35.49 | Shadow` | cya angel |
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| 15:38.02 | Shadow` | i've used debian as a server OS since sarge was released, it runs perfect as a server... and it never ever pissed me off as it was so easy to use, stable and what not, but as a desktop... meh, i know im pissed and no excuse.. but these things keep pissing me off |
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| 15:38.34 | blinki | it sounds like maybe X is grabbing the keyboard and mouse inputs, and when it crashes, your frustration mounts because you can't do anything? |
| 15:38.49 | Shadow` | that and i got irc + webserver running on this system |
| 15:38.52 | Allanis | What windows manager do you use? |
| 15:38.59 | Shadow` | gnome + compiz |
| 15:39.03 | lcb | please someone help me on this. during a clean install i forgot to set bootable flag. i'm afraid of making any mistake on this... http://paste.debian.net/105716/ |
| 15:39.22 | Shadow` | most compiz effects are disabled tho, just using it because its much easier to customize over gnome itself |
| 15:39.26 | stew | lcb: linux bootloaders ignore the bootable flag |
| 15:40.07 | lcb | stew, the system is not booing.. after a netinstall :( |
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| 15:40.17 | lcb | booting, i mean |
| 15:40.30 | lcb | stew, btw, this is squeeze |
| 15:40.30 | Shadow` | other then that, programs i normally have running (might help) are: Wine+mIRC, aMSN, terminal windows, pcmanfm folder manager, iceweasel and chrome |
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| 15:40.40 | stew | lcb: its not because of the bootable flag unless you are using a windows bootloader, grub/lilo and the like ignore it |
| 15:40.57 | Allanis | They are fine Shadow` |
| 15:41.01 | stew | Shadow`: if its crashing the system it must be a kernel bug |
| 15:41.01 | lcb | stew, i used netbootin to construct the image |
| 15:41.05 | amphi | wine & mirc? but why? |
| 15:41.08 | Allanis | See if that upgrade helps. |
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| 15:41.39 | Shadow` | amphi: because i dont like xchat and am not bothered to setup irssi again (messed it up myself last time, but meh) |
| 15:41.46 | Shadow` | stew: its not crashing the system an sich |
| 15:41.57 | Shadow` | its freezing my system that im forced to pull the plug for a reboot |
| 15:41.57 | stew | Shadow`: what is "an sich"? |
| 15:42.01 | amphi | shakes his head |
| 15:42.20 | Allanis | such* |
| 15:42.25 | Allanis | I think he meant. |
| 15:42.28 | Shadow` | either screen goes black, or i just cant click anything with my mouse, neither do keyboard combos work |
| 15:42.50 | stew | Shadow`: which video driver are you using? |
| 15:42.52 | lcb | stew, so that fstab is fine??? if so, what might be wrong? |
| 15:42.54 | Shadow` | ctrl+alt+backspace fails, ctrl+alt+f1/6 fails |
| 15:42.56 | blinki | have you tried just a base system with gnome desktop to see if maybe it's compiz, wine or nvidia drivers? |
| 15:43.00 | Shadow` | stew: fglrx |
| 15:43.11 | stew | Shadow`: try with a free driver instead |
| 15:43.14 | amphi | Shadow`: if you do alt-sysrq-r, can you then switch to another VT? |
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| 15:43.34 | blinki | sysrqs indeed |
| 15:43.37 | Shadow` | sysrq? |
| 15:43.38 | stew | i wouldn't be totally suprised if fglrx (which, btw isn't debian, of course) was part of the problem |
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| 15:43.54 | Shadow` | give me a better one then vesa or radeon |
| 15:43.56 | Shadow` | and ill switch |
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| 15:44.30 | Shadow` | damnit, sorry, have to get used more to using comma's instead of enters |
| 15:44.38 | stew | Shadow`: define "better" |
| 15:44.45 | ethanol | Shadow`, irssi plx |
| 15:44.47 | Shadow` | 3d accelation |
| 15:44.50 | stew | lcb: did you install a bootloader? what is "netbootin" |
| 15:45.00 | stew | Shadow`: which card do you have? |
| 15:45.07 | Shadow` | EAH3450 |
| 15:45.46 | Fozzy | Does anybody know of a way to trick apt/dpkg into thinking that a package no longer has a particular dependency? |
| 15:45.52 | lcb | stew, my typo, UNETbootin |
| 15:46.21 | stew | Fozzy: you cannot |
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| 15:46.50 | catsup | Fozzy: equivs |
| 15:46.56 | Shadow` | damnit my download rate from repos dropped to 17kb/ps |
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| 15:47.30 | stew | i don't understand from the radeon manpage if EAH3450 gets 3d accelleration or not |
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| 15:48.02 | Shadow` | if i change to radeon, games tell me it doesnt |
| 15:48.09 | Shadow` | even tho its enabled in the xorg.conf file |
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| 15:48.40 | stew | Shadow`: can you try it long enough to see if your problems still persist? |
| 15:48.41 | Shadow` | and vesa gives me the performance similar to that of Windows XP's default driver |
| 15:48.52 | stew | Shadow`: i don't know what that means |
| 15:48.58 | stew | i'd assume that was good? |
| 15:49.02 | Shadow` | windows XP default driver is a 8mb driver |
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| 15:49.14 | stew | i don't know what that is |
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| 15:49.35 | Shadow` | if you scroll on a website in a browser with such a driver, it flashes, instead of smooth scrolling |
| 15:49.54 | stew | Shadow`: can you try it long enough to see if fglrx might be the source of the problem? |
| 15:50.04 | Shadow` | ill try if updating doesnt work out |
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| 15:50.19 | stew | updating isn't going to change anything |
| 15:50.26 | Shadow` | which is going at an amazing 8kb/ps atm xD |
| 15:50.38 | stew | Shadow`: which xorg do you have installed now? what version of xserver-xorg-input-mouse do you have installed now? |
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| 15:50.56 | Shadow` | the one that comes with squeeze? |
| 15:51.03 | Shadow` | not sure, how could i see that |
| 15:51.10 | stew | Shadow`: what are you updating to then? |
| 15:51.27 | stew | Shadow`: apt-cache policy packagename ; or dpkg -l packagename |
| 15:51.29 | Shadow` | just using update manager to update the outdated packages |
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| 15:52.00 | Shadow` | mouse driver is at 1:1.5.0-2 |
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| 15:52.09 | angelsl | oh hi Shadow` |
| 15:52.22 | Cain | How can i get 'broadcast messages' like this oine : http://pastebin.com/B3yxgxpS via mail ? (i was working on a server via ssh and apparently someone in the office pushed the power button) (postfix as MTA as mentioned on the workaround ispmail tutorial) |
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| 15:52.26 | Shadow` | xserver.xorg = 1:7.5+8 |
| 15:52.33 | Shadow` | and hi angelsl |
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| 15:52.58 | stew | judd: versions xserver-xorg |
| 15:53.00 | judd | Package xserver-xorg on i386 -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19; lenny: 1:7.3+20; sid: 1:7.5+8; squeeze: 1:7.5+8; experimental: 1:7.6~2 |
| 15:53.01 | stew | judd: versions xserver-xorg-input-mouse |
| 15:53.01 | judd | Package xserver-xorg-input-mouse on i386 -- etch: 1:1.1.1-3; lenny: 1:1.3.0-1; sid: 1:1.5.0-2; squeeze: 1:1.5.0-2; experimental: 1:1.6.0-1 |
| 15:53.05 | stew | so already up to date |
| 15:53.31 | Shadow` | thanks so far stew (and the rest) ill brb and letting it run the updates |
| 15:53.35 | angelsl | is there any chance of mono 2.8 getting into squeeze? |
| 15:53.46 | Shadow` | doubt it angelsl |
| 15:53.59 | stew | angelsl: no chance |
| 15:54.05 | Shadow` | they closed squeeze in december or something |
| 15:54.13 | stew | angelsl: its not even in unstable or experimental yet and squeeze was frozen in august |
| 15:54.28 | angelsl | ah |
| 15:54.29 | stew | angelsl: it could show up in squeeze-backports sometime after the release |
| 15:54.45 | stew | (after it gets uploaded to unstable, then migrates to wheezy) |
| 15:55.08 | bstanish | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:55.40 | angelsl | meh, I'll stick to w7 in VM then |
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| 16:03.28 | karlpinc | Where can I rtfm on apt's autoclean feature? |
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| 16:04.45 | stew | itf apt-get manpage? |
| 16:04.46 | themill | karlpinc: other than "man apt-get" you mean? |
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| 16:06.01 | karlpinc | themill: Yes. I'm looking for something in apt that cleans the cache automatically. I thought there was something in apt itself as of lenny. |
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| 16:06.16 | abrotman | the apt.conf sample/man page? |
| 16:06.17 | karlpinc | themill: (Obviously, I don't really know what I mean.) |
| 16:06.44 | stew | karlpinc: the package cache? (/var/cache/apt/archives) |
| 16:06.50 | karlpinc | abrotman: I was in 'man apt.conf' and searched for autoclean. Maye I'm not searching right. |
| 16:06.56 | karlpinc | stew: Yes. |
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| 16:07.13 | abrotman | karlpinc: there's an example that shows how to limit its size IIRC |
| 16:07.33 | themill | Aptitude::Autoclean-After-Update |
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| 16:08.06 | karlpinc | In 'man apt.conf'? I'll look. |
| 16:08.18 | peterS | no, that won't be in 'apt.conf' - it's Aptitude specific |
| 16:08.18 | themill | karlpinc: no, it's an aptitude feature not a libapt feature |
| 16:08.35 | karlpinc | *doh* |
| 16:08.38 | themill | http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s04s05.html |
| 16:09.26 | stew | i have cron-apt clean mine I believe |
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| 16:10.19 | karlpinc | I've a cron job doing it, but wanted to do it "the right way". |
| 16:10.22 | peterS | karlpinc: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz shows a lot of options including APT { AutocleanInterval } which seems related |
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| 16:11.05 | dhorner_mb | I am having a hard time using simple-cdd to create custom bootable ISOs which work under XenServer |
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| 16:11.07 | karlpinc | peterS: IIRC apt's autoclean has to do with removal of packages no longer in the pool. Which is a _lot_ less aggressive than what I'm looking for. |
| 16:11.10 | themill | peterS, karlpinc: interesting -- that's new in squeeze |
| 16:11.11 | peterS | karlpinc: though I note it 'requires the package "unattended-upgrades"...' |
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| 16:12.41 | dhorner_mb | I have tried booting the latest squeeze i386 release and get issues with missing cdrom driver!? when using the "other media" template. I get "invalid_source" when I use the lenny 5.0 template. |
| 16:12.48 | peterS | and hey, look at that, there's a DSelect { Clean } option, for the three people still using dselect |
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| 16:13.25 | themill | heh |
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| 16:13.56 | abrotman | where's jetscreamer ... |
| 16:14.28 | lcb | stew, during the install i installed grub boot loader to the master boot record. is there any way to check it so might be possible to see if the problem is in there? |
| 16:15.02 | peterS | you know, people loved to hate dselect, but I loved it. it had full-screen dependency resolver + download indexes + download and install packages from mirror, several years before apt was invented and credited with all these things |
| 16:15.17 | dhorner_mb | anyone using squeeze on xenserver 5.6 |
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| 16:15.34 | zxd | I hated dselect |
| 16:15.39 | peterS | (especially people from outside the debian ecosystem seem to assume all these features are new to apt, but really they were new to Debian and later reimplemented in apt) |
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| 16:18.48 | electronplusplus | what's the best to way to a computer program to handle multiple connections on a single computer? |
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| 16:20.55 | karlpinc | electronplusplus: That's a pretty vague question. I'd say it should use electrons. |
| 16:20.56 | jelly | electronplusplus: multiple connections to which service? Multiple connections to a local service from outside, to a remote service from that one client computer, or something else? |
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| 16:21.36 | jelly | karlpinc: holes come cheaper |
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| 16:22.04 | karlpinc | jelly: Yes. On the other hand symbols are very classy. |
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| 16:22.55 | electronplusplus | jelly: karlpinc how can i implement (just for example) a nice HTTP server that handles a lot of connections at same time and at the "same" door |
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| 16:24.49 | Shadow` | stew: updating is done, ill check if it improves any (u never know) and otherwise ill go for the radeon driver,thanks for your help |
| 16:24.53 | karlpinc | electronplusplus: I suggest you read about TCP. Wikipedia, rfc 793, or the Linux Networking Guide at tdlp.org, which is old but still has the basics. |
| 16:25.45 | electronplusplus | thanks |
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| 16:26.05 | jelly | electronplusplus: are you just asking how to write such a service, or are you asking how can it be made to perform with a large number of client connections (say, >= 10000)? |
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| 16:26.34 | electronplusplus | the last one, a large number of client connections |
| 16:26.39 | Shadow` | apache? |
| 16:26.53 | electronplusplus | since forking wouldn't be the best way to do it |
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| 16:27.04 | Shadow` | lighthttpd? |
| 16:27.13 | jelly | electronplusplus: how do you know forking isn't the best way? |
| 16:27.39 | jelly | electronplusplus: have you read the classic http://www.kegel.com/c10k.html paper? |
| 16:27.40 | electronplusplus | jelly: RAM cost money? forking creates a copy of the program itself |
| 16:27.54 | jelly | electronplusplus: no, it doesn't |
| 16:27.59 | jelly | !cow |
| 16:27.59 | dpkg | [cow] a Turing complete language at http://www.bigzaphod.org/cow/, or http://www.nichtlustig.de/toondb/050529.html, or the apt-get easter egg which says moo, or see <cow theory> |
| 16:28.03 | jelly | meh., |
| 16:28.43 | electronplusplus | thanks by the kegel link jelly |
| 16:29.07 | karlpinc | electronplusplus: Jelly means "copy on write". |
| 16:29.08 | jelly | electronplusplus: fork() is implemented as a copy-on-write method in most unix-like OSes. The child process shares all the physical memory with the parent until it's changed. |
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| 16:29.53 | jelly | electronplusplus: find a nice book on programming in unix, it seems you're missing some basics |
| 16:29.56 | karlpinc | jelly: (Worthy of a factoid.) |
| 16:29.59 | jelly | !c10k |
| 16:30.17 | karlpinc | jelly: (your fork that is.) |
| 16:30.18 | jelly | karlpinc: create it if you want <g> |
| 16:30.23 | electronplusplus | a fork bomb would use all system memory until it crashes, right? |
| 16:31.28 | jelly | karlpinc: it doesn't make much sense to copy easily googlable stuff from wikipedia into factoids |
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| 16:32.34 | karlpinc | jelly: Ok. But it can be fun to use factoids to thwack clues into people. |
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| 16:33.38 | blinki | so I built a custom kernel using kpkg, installed it, and now I have a panic at boot, notsyncing VFS cannot mount root on unknown block (0,0). is this because the build instructions didn't have an initrd? |
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| 16:34.54 | karlpinc | blinki: Plausable. I don't know much but no initrd is the source of my problems in that area. |
| 16:37.30 | blinki | I built using the source package it came with, and all the drivers for scsi/sata are modules, so I assume it can't mount root since it can't even see the disk. is there a set of directions on using initrd? I build monolithic kernels in gentoo to avoid just this, don't want to step through the debian default config to include everything I need.... |
| 16:38.23 | jelly | electronplusplus: partially wrong. Read the wikipedia page for fork bomb (yes there is one) to see which resources get strained and possibly exhausted |
| 16:39.09 | mguillech | Hello, does anyone of you know how can I check what parameters were loaded along with a certain module in runtime? ie, I've passed modeset=1 to the i915 module, what cmd can I use to see the value of the modeset parm |
| 16:39.39 | electronplusplus | jelly: ROFL @ Wikipedia, Contents -> Defusing |
| 16:40.02 | frikinz | mguillech: there's /sys/modules/ |
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| 16:40.45 | mguillech | frikinz: I found it, thanks a lot |
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| 16:41.00 | mguillech | frikinz: and what happens if you don't have the sysfs? Just curious :-) |
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| 16:42.37 | frikinz | mguillech: no idea :) |
| 16:43.10 | mguillech | frikinz: fair enough. Thanks for you fast reply |
| 16:43.35 | jelly | mguillech: then you mount it |
| 16:44.08 | jelly | (and if you don't have sysfs functionality built in at all, you've shot yourself in the foot) |
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| 16:44.58 | karlpinc | blinki: You could just diff the .config files. But why are you building your own kernel at all? If you said we might tell you of a better approach. |
| 16:45.16 | mguillech | jelly: hehe |
| 16:45.29 | karlpinc | blinki: (See also make-kpkg for easy ways to build with an initrd.) |
| 16:45.31 | blinki | yesterday, I was told I can't change the time frequency to 1000Hz from the debian default of 250Hz |
| 16:45.45 | blinki | which is required for freeswitch to operate properly |
| 16:46.02 | mguillech | jelly: isn't sysfs getting deprecated in newer kernel releases? At least is what I've heard |
| 16:46.21 | blinki | so I built a kernel, using the debian config file included in the source pacakge, which looks all ok. but when booting, I need an initrd to do it "the debian way" |
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| 16:46.51 | blinki | I built the kernel using `fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version=.012611 kernel_image` |
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| 16:47.09 | blinki | so yeah, just the initrd, or how to change the timer at boot |
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| 16:47.33 | jelly | mguillech: reference or it didn't happen |
| 16:47.55 | karlpinc | blinki: If you rtfm on make-kpkg, perhaps in /usr/share/doc/..../ there's a flag you give it and it makes an initrd. (something like --initrd, but that's probably wrong.) |
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| 16:48.04 | blinki | mguillech: you're right, it's got a big "DEPRECIATED" next to it now |
| 16:48.21 | blinki | yeah, probably |
| 16:48.24 | frikinz | mguillech: old sysfs layout are deprecated but not sysfs itself |
| 16:48.39 | blinki | but having RTFM and not have it jump out at me, I figured I would ask the experts |
| 16:48.57 | karlpinc | blinki: Somebody else will have to answer. Idon |
| 16:49.02 | karlpinc | don't recall. |
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| 16:49.17 | thewanderer1 | hi. is there a remote desktop technology that would allow 3D (GLX) acceleration? I'd like to set up a terminal server but I'm afraid the users would complain about the speed of multimedia applications |
| 16:49.28 | frikinz | but make-kpkg is deprecated :p |
| 16:49.35 | karlpinc | blinki: (I do recall it being obvious, a simple search for 'initrd' found it.) |
| 16:49.37 | thewanderer1 | (I assume I can handle sound myself with pulseaudio) |
| 16:49.51 | karlpinc | frikinz: What replaces it? (In squeeze I assume.) |
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| 16:50.03 | blinki | cool, so it is. |
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| 16:50.11 | blinki | don't know why I didn't see that first time around |
| 16:50.29 | blinki | my apologies |
| 16:50.38 | stew | frikinz: some kernel developers deprecate it but the make-kpkg author doesn't |
| 16:50.50 | jelly | thewanderer1: like http://www.virtualgl.org/About/Introduction ? |
| 16:50.52 | frikinz | karlpinc: make deb-pkg |
| 16:51.09 | stew | and make deb-pkg is deprecated by the make-kpkg author |
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| 16:51.19 | karlpinc | frikinz: Thanks. I'll try to remember. |
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| 16:51.50 | karlpinc | frikinz: (Looks like the factoids need updating.) |
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| 16:51.55 | stew | karlpinc: they don't |
| 16:52.12 | karlpinc | stew: Ok. (But there is not one for deb-pkg at all.) |
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| 16:52.41 | jelly | thewanderer1: virtualbox does something similar; I think their "console" is basically a RDP |
| 16:53.35 | thewanderer1 | jelly: RDP is available only in the closed-source VirtualBox... and VirtualGL is just about it, but I can't see any documents on integrating it with anything |
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| 16:54.33 | jelly | it seems relatively new, I wouldn't expect docs ;-) |
| 16:55.04 | thewanderer1 | aww... it says it needs to be run via SSH :P |
| 16:55.52 | pielgrzym | is there a way to not install this goddamn apache shit along with cacti? |
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| 16:56.26 | jelly | dpkg, tell pielgrzym about ask |
| 16:56.32 | stew | pielgrzym: yes, but you need to install some goddam package that provides httpd instead |
| 16:56.39 | thewanderer1 | pielgrzym: download cacti from its homepage, unpack... |
| 16:56.54 | pielgrzym | stew: got nginx already installed |
| 16:56.55 | stew | pielgrzym: it "Depends: apache2 | apache | apache-ssl | apache-perl | httpd" so any httpd should work |
| 16:57.06 | axx_ | Hi all, I'm running XBMC on my Debian box, which comes with a UPnP client/server⦠I can't see it from the network, could some default firewall setting be responsible for this? |
| 16:57.08 | jelly | judd: provides nginx |
| 16:57.11 | judd | Package nginx in lenny/i386 provides: httpd. |
| 16:57.16 | petemc | axx_: no |
| 16:57.20 | stew | pielgrzym: it also depends on "libapache2-mod-php5 | php5" so you need to install the goddam php5 so that the libapache2-mod-php5 shit doesn't get isntalled |
| 16:57.23 | jelly | stew: could be aptitude acting out |
| 16:57.39 | jelly | right |
| 16:57.39 | petemc | axx_: have you enabled the upnp server ? |
| 16:57.41 | axx_ | petemc: damn, I really can't figure out why I can't see the XBMC UPnP on my network |
| 16:57.48 | axx_ | petemc: yep, it's enable |
| 16:57.49 | axx_ | d |
| 16:58.06 | pielgrzym | stew: good point, got php5-fpm installed already |
| 16:58.38 | stew | judd: versions php5-fpm |
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| 16:58.39 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'php5-fpm' was found in i386. |
| 16:58.54 | petemc | axx_: do you see it listening via netstat ? |
| 16:58.58 | pielgrzym | ah, it's not an official repo, damn :) |
| 16:59.03 | jelly | stew: I bet the dotdeb people forgot to put it some goddam Provides |
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| 16:59.14 | stew | yeah, i don't know about that goddam shit |
| 16:59.16 | axx_ | petemc: never tried, sounds like a good idea.. how would I do so? |
| 16:59.49 | jelly | pielgrzym: why are you using that nonDebian shit |
| 16:59.50 | petemc | axx_: netstat -puant , you need to be root to use -p option of netsta |
| 16:59.51 | petemc | t |
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| 17:00.13 | axx_ | from the localhost or another box on the network? |
| 17:00.26 | petemc | axx_: from the machine running xbmc |
| 17:00.36 | axx_ | (amusing, puant means smelly in French :D) |
| 17:00.40 | axx_ | thanks petemc |
| 17:00.47 | petemc | np |
| 17:01.09 | pielgrzym | jelly: I'm looking for a nice mrtg-like stuff. mrtg seems to have less features. or you meant php5-fpm? since basically php is evil, php via fcgi is evil, but a bit faster, php5-fpm is same shit, but you can create easyly multiple chroots with that. I wish php did not exist, people could use python instead ^^ |
| 17:01.25 | pielgrzym | mrtg seems to have less features than cacti |
| 17:01.39 | jelly | we use cricket |
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| 17:02.18 | jelly | however this setup as quite a history and acti didn't exist at first implementation time |
| 17:02.20 | frikinz | axx_: netstat -lapute is better |
| 17:02.23 | jelly | cacti* |
| 17:02.40 | axx_ | petemc: so xbmc is listening on ports 53487, 8090 (web interface), 9090 (possibly a second webif, should check) and 64812 and is also connected on ports 9777 and 1900, 9777 being upnp IIRC |
| 17:02.50 | axx_ | frikinz: nice one too⦠;) |
| 17:03.05 | frikinz | I never manage to get something good with upnp.. I reverted to samba.. |
| 17:03.48 | axx_ | frikinz: but isn't the whole idea that you don't have to get to anything and that it should all work on its own? :( its annoying⦠|
| 17:04.14 | pielgrzym | jelly: does cricket have any website? screenshots would be mind-appealing ;) |
| 17:04.20 | petemc | axx_: any upnp server i use uses ports around the 5000 range |
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| 17:04.31 | petemc | frikinz: how are those options 'better' ? |
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| 17:04.54 | frikinz | pielgrzym: did you try munin? at least its better than mrtg (not hard) |
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| 17:05.05 | axx_ | ahh, hmm so it would appear the upnp server is not running correctly |
| 17:05.10 | petemc | its only better if you want a username column, which doesnt mayyer |
| 17:05.11 | pielgrzym | frikinz: thanks, I'll google it right away :) |
| 17:05.24 | petemc | axx_: ushare works well |
| 17:05.34 | frikinz | petemc: better to remember for frechies ;) otherwise -n is wise you're correct |
| 17:05.43 | jelly | pielgrzym: it does. |
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| 17:05.54 | petemc | frikinz: ah, better than smelly, gotcha :) |
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| 17:06.23 | jelly | pielgrzym: but no screenshots, and "Last modified at 2003/04/21" |
| 17:06.24 | axx_ | petemc: thanks, I've heard good things about mediatomb too⦠it's just as I have xbmc running all the time, I'd rather have that do the upnp rather than yet another tool |
| 17:06.30 | petemc | axx_: actually, its port 1900 for upnp |
| 17:06.37 | axx_ | ahh, so that's open |
| 17:06.43 | petemc | so it should work |
| 17:06.55 | petemc | what are you using to view the share ? |
| 17:06.56 | pielgrzym | jelly: well, I'll check it out then :) |
| 17:07.27 | jelly | http://sourceforge.net/projects/cricket/ |
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| 17:07.59 | pielgrzym | jelly: can it be setup on a xen dom0 and collect traffic stats for all vifs? |
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| 17:08.30 | jelly | it can read numbers from anywhere if you provide them |
| 17:08.32 | axx_ | I've used another xbmc box, rhythmbox, my phone's client⦠never shows up |
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| 17:08.40 | pielgrzym | jelly: thanks |
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| 17:09.02 | axx_ | petemc: a guy on the xbmc forums sasy to "Make sure you have a route for the upnp multicast address.", sorry if it sounds silly but how would I check that? |
| 17:09.19 | petemc | axx_: are they all on the same subnet ? |
| 17:09.41 | axx_ | yes |
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| 17:09.58 | petemc | you shouldnt need any route then |
| 17:10.07 | axx_ | 192.168.0.2 (server) is not seen by 192.168.0.4 (laptop) or 192.168.0.20 (phone) |
| 17:10.42 | petemc | axx_: can you run a portscanner to see what ports are visible on the xbmc machine? |
| 17:11.03 | axx_ | petemc: sure, are you thinking nmap ? |
| 17:11.10 | petemc | that would work |
| 17:11.22 | pielgrzym | frikinz: it seems mulin scales very nicely :) |
| 17:11.30 | axx_ | (also if its of interest, here are both lines from nestat -puant |
| 17:11.31 | axx_ | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:9777 0.0.0.0:* 2388/xbmc.bin |
| 17:11.31 | axx_ | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:1900 0.0.0.0:* 2388/xbmc.bin ) |
| 17:11.38 | petemc | dont paste here.. |
| 17:11.41 | pielgrzym | jelly: crickes provides pure console logs - thats nice :) |
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| 17:11.50 | axx_ | thought this was short enough to paste, sorry :/ |
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| 17:12.12 | axx_ | thanks for helping me out here, I appreciate it petemc |
| 17:12.32 | petemc | no bother |
| 17:12.51 | jelly | cricket is very oldschool |
| 17:13.11 | petemc | axx_: nmap -sS 192.168.0.2 |
| 17:13.21 | somnambulant | anyone ever had this happen with an nfs mount?: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/327281/ |
| 17:13.23 | petemc | from another machine, obv |
| 17:13.33 | axx_ | on its way :) |
| 17:13.37 | petemc | erm, -sU |
| 17:13.55 | petemc | or does -sS check tcp and udp, i cant recall |
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| 17:15.31 | axx_ | http://paste.debian.net/105725/ |
| 17:15.39 | axx_ | with -sS |
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| 17:16.08 | petemc | can you try with -sU |
| 17:16.15 | axx_ | it's running :) |
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| 17:17.22 | axx_ | well this is long⦠|
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| 17:18.47 | Shadow` | any way to limit a processes their usage? as some process when busy make the desktop seem to freeze for a moment |
| 17:20.04 | petemc | axx_: to verify your network setup, you could try disabling xbmcs upnp server and installing ushare - see if your clients can see that |
| 17:20.14 | Fah | Shadow`: you mean with something like a premptable kernel? Or do you want to renice the greedy processes? |
| 17:21.15 | Shadow` | fah: im not sure what an premptable is, and nice is the priority if im not mistaking right? |
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| 17:22.24 | Shadow` | iceweasel sometimes thinks it despretely needs to use any resources it can find to display a website :S |
| 17:22.38 | Shadow` | for example |
| 17:22.47 | axx_ | petemc: that sounds like a good option, I might try that thanks |
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| 17:23.15 | rvsjoen | ,mysql-server |
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| 17:23.43 | Fah | Well, you could look at a preemptable kernel, and/or you could figure out why flash or whatever is going nuts. |
| 17:24.43 | Shadow` | i know why, well, i dont get why tho, but i just rather not have a single process being able to basically freeze other processes |
| 17:24.55 | frikinz | iceweasel, they had to change the description. It was "lightweight web browser based on Mozilla" |
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| 17:25.12 | Shadow` | back in FF1.0 days maybe |
| 17:25.51 | frikinz | Shadow`: isn't it a website with flash? |
| 17:26.43 | Shadow` | mostly yes, altho all the ajax javascript on some pages like to do the same |
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| 17:27.53 | Shadow` | i have apache and an ircd running in the background for a few dozen users, and even tho im not sure (as i cant see it myself due to the freezes) i rather not have other processes lock those up |
| 17:29.07 | Fah | is this a multi core box? |
| 17:30.08 | Shadow` | dual |
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| 17:30.47 | Fah | well, if you're blocking on system calls there isn't much you could do other than... preempt or renice firefox |
| 17:30.48 | Shadow` | 2.6-3ghz |
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| 17:30.51 | Shadow` | if that matters |
| 17:31.12 | Fah | well, the odds of a single process wedging both cores at once is fairly low |
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| 17:31.30 | stew | even if you hit both mouse buttons at the same time? |
| 17:31.35 | Shadow` | lol |
| 17:31.47 | babilen | heh |
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| 17:32.02 | stew | 2.6-3ghz is less that zero gigahertz also |
| 17:32.06 | stew | ^that^than |
| 17:32.11 | Shadow` | lol |
| 17:32.35 | Shadow` | my motherboard sometimes fails to load overclocking settings, and cant always be assed to configuring it again =p |
| 17:32.53 | stew | Shadow`: but the motherboard has been eliminated as a possible problem, right? |
| 17:33.03 | Shadow` | mostly after incorrect shutdowns |
| 17:33.27 | stew | Shadow`: so you get random freezes and crashes on an overclocked motherboard? |
| 17:33.33 | Shadow` | i had the same issues on other asus motherboards concering overclocking before |
| 17:33.34 | stew | probably debian's fault |
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| 17:34.09 | Shadow` | have been running at default speeds for at least a week now due to me having to pull the power |
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| 17:36.16 | Agiofws | did the cylons develop linux ? |
| 17:36.39 | Shadow` | i might've found the mouse clicks bugs btw stew, i just did it on both mirc and soulseek, both started to act buggy, cant press multiple keys at once and home/insert/end/del etc not working anymore =p |
| 17:36.50 | Shadow` | seems to be wine |
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| 17:38.35 | Shadow` | if it bugged out and somehow hijacked my keyboard and mouse input, might explain 2 a couple of freezes |
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| 17:40.41 | Shadow` | guess ill use irssi |
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| 17:41.06 | cahoot | as opposed to? |
| 17:41.47 | Shadow` | mirc due to beeing to lazy to setup irssi, but as wine seems to make my system unstable, i rather configure irssi then fixing wine |
| 17:42.36 | axx_ | petemc: -sU scan has completed, can you see anything interesting? http://paste.debian.net/105729/ |
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| 17:55.11 | thewanderer1 | is gNewSense based directly on Debian, or on Ubuntu? |
| 17:55.35 | themill | ask them? |
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| 17:55.44 | thewanderer1 | hmm, let's try |
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| 17:57.35 | qwd | thewanderer1: Ubuntu. |
| 17:58.01 | thewanderer1 | thanks |
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| 18:01.21 | qwd | Shouldn't Debian be on this list now that the Linux kernel is completely free? http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html |
| 18:01.41 | rozie | no. |
| 18:01.47 | stew | qwd: no |
| 18:01.56 | pipeline | musix and gnewsense aren't 100% completely free anyway |
| 18:02.00 | stew | yeah |
| 18:02.26 | pipeline | to be perfectly clear, nothing that ships libc is 100% completely free, because there are still some source files with unclear licensing :P |
| 18:02.44 | rozie | qwd: Debian also provides a repository of nonfree software. |
| 18:02.45 | rozie | ;-) |
| 18:02.51 | rozie | http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html |
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| 18:03.25 | stew | qwd: fsf wants debian to get rid of the non-free repository. gnewsense intentionally adds non-free software (even according to them). so that makes this list seem like a joke |
| 18:03.48 | rozie | pipeline: we can argue if FSF want confirmed 100% free, or just "not known non-free" elements |
| 18:04.08 | qwd | rozie: yeah I looked at that before but I interpreted that as the kernel being the main thing and the other one a "bonus", not a complete show stopper. |
| 18:04.33 | stew | rozie: FSF wants us to include non-free software as well |
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| 18:07.48 | stew | hah, http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html#documentation |
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| 18:07.51 | jhutchins_lt | Shadow`: There are plenty of great GUI irc clients available, running mirc under wine is just silly. |
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| 18:07.59 | greedo | what does lockd: cannot monitor hostname mean? |
| 18:08.35 | greedo | It's nfs.lockd I believe |
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| 18:11.11 | jhutchins_lt | greedo: Is your hostname properly configured? |
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| 18:11.44 | greedo | jhutchins_lt: yes, I was using a generic hostname |
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| 18:12.10 | greedo | the hostname is correct for all intensive purposes |
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| 18:13.22 | damasceno | Someone here, did try install Xmail using apt-get? |
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| 18:21.40 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions openoffice.org |
| 18:21.42 | judd | Package openoffice.org on i386 -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny8; lenny-security: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny8; squeeze-security: 1:3.1.1-15+squeeze1; lenny-backports: 1:3.2.1-6~bpo50+1; sid: 1:3.2.1-11; squeeze: 1:3.2.1-11 |
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| 18:21.48 | damasceno | Someone here, did try install Xmail using apt-get?? |
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| 18:22.31 | jhutchins_lt | damasceno: No need to repeat the question until it's at least scrolled off-screen. |
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| 18:23.53 | jhutchins_lt | damasceno: Is there more to it than aptitude install xmail? |
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| 18:28.44 | caverdude | anyone know of any free software for partitioning? and I guess a debian install disk would let me setup a boot manager like grub maybe? |
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| 18:29.35 | damasceno | jhutchins, I did that, but show the same error. :/ |
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| 18:30.46 | jhutchins_lt | caverdude: fdisk, cfdisk, gparted, gnu-fdisk |
| 18:30.53 | themill | damasceno: you haven't actually told us what the error is. Perhaps stick the command you gave and the entire output at http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 18:31.02 | jhutchins_lt | damasceno: Nobody's going to be able to help you unless you post the actual error. |
| 18:31.04 | caverdude | ok I think it was gparted I used last |
| 18:31.07 | caverdude | or parted |
| 18:31.20 | caverdude | thanks |
| 18:31.26 | jhutchins_lt | caverdude: parted is gparted (gnu parted) |
| 18:31.32 | caverdude | k |
| 18:32.04 | damasceno | http://paste.debian.net/105736/ Here themill jhutchins |
| 18:32.10 | jhutchins_lt | There is a partition editor on the install disk that can resize partitions (including ntfs). |
| 18:32.13 | damasceno | Sorry, but my debian is in portuguese. |
| 18:32.27 | damasceno | But, what you don't understand, ask me and i'll translate. |
| 18:32.55 | jhutchins_lt | !localised errors |
| 18:32.55 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LANG=C apt-get -f install |
| 18:33.23 | jhutchins_lt | damasceno: ...although it looks like you don't have your hostname configured, which may be the cause of the problem. |
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| 18:35.05 | stew | damasceno: what is returned when you type "hostname"? |
| 18:35.26 | stew | damasceno: and "hostname -fqdn" |
| 18:35.41 | stew | err --fqdn not -fqdn |
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| 18:36.16 | Cain | can i add a cron job with a script (bash/php/....) like i do with crontab -e ? |
| 18:37.09 | jordanm | Cain: you can add cronjobs non interactively with the crontab <file> syntax |
| 18:37.20 | jordanm | Cain: however, you will need to read the existing crontab and append |
| 18:37.37 | tharkun | gentlemen sorry to bother. I just did an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade on a machine and it pointed out that openoffice.org should be updated to 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny11 a normal operation. I check the next one with the same config and there is no securtity update for openoffice.org. Am i in deep trouble with the machine that did the upgrade? |
| 18:38.00 | Cain | jordanm : crontab -l >> file and crontab <file> syntax ? |
| 18:38.59 | jordanm | Cain: sure |
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| 18:39.22 | Cain | jordanm : i'll try it, thx |
| 18:39.24 | damasceno | stew, jhutchins |
| 18:39.28 | damasceno | return that: leonardo.com.br |
| 18:39.34 | damasceno | that's my hostname. |
| 18:40.15 | stew | damasceno: what does "getent hosts leonardo.com.br" return? |
| 18:40.23 | stew | Cain: what did you mean by "syntax" there? |
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| 18:40.53 | damasceno | stew, nothing. |
| 18:41.01 | damasceno | Look: leonardo:~# getent hosts leonardo.com.br |
| 18:41.01 | damasceno | leonardo:~# |
| 18:41.22 | Cain | stew : that was jordanm suggestion ^^, the cron syntax i guess (* * * * * command) |
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| 18:41.57 | stew | Cain: then no, its just "crontab file" but file should already have whatever you are trying to add |
| 18:42.49 | jordanm | stew: I was pretty sure it replaces the existing crontab. so something like crontab <<< '* * * * * command' will *replace* the existing /var/spool/cron/foo file |
| 18:43.03 | Cain | stew : so crontab -l >>crons.txt then echo "MyNew Cron">> crons.txt and finall crontab crons.txt |
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| 18:43.30 | stew | Cain: yes, but note that using a predictable filename like that could cause security problems |
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| 18:43.40 | stew | Cain: and you might wan the frist one to be > instead of >> |
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| 18:43.55 | damasceno | jhutchins, What can i do to resolv this problem? |
| 18:44.11 | Cain | stew : yes |
| 18:44.34 | stew | damasceno: you might try adding leonardo.com.br to /etc/hosts since its not resolvable via dns |
| 18:44.47 | stew | damasceno: don't know if that is the actual problem, i'm guessing |
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| 18:45.21 | damasceno | stew, ok, let me try. |
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| 18:45.47 | stew | (though I wonder if it should be resolvable via dns) |
| 18:46.14 | damasceno | stew, Problem Solved. |
| 18:46.22 | damasceno | stew, thanks. |
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| 19:24.52 | axolx | anyone know if there's an equivalent to Host in ~/.ssh/config that i can use with an IP address instead of a hostname? |
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| 19:30.30 | eikenberry | axolx. According to the man page Host accepts IPs. Search for PATTERNS in the man page. |
| 19:31.29 | axolx | eikenberry i tried putting an ip but didnt work. ill look into it further. thx |
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| 19:32.24 | nutron | hmm, interesting problem that I gotta fire out... what's the best way for me to fire out a line into consecutive txt files? |
| 19:32.51 | nutron | err each line into a seperate text file |
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| 19:34.32 | Tramp | nutron: i=0; while read -r; do echo "$REPLY">"$i.txt"; ((i++)); done <file |
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| 19:35.16 | nutron | Tramp: wow nice, thanks |
| 19:35.26 | Tramp | nutron: alternatively: man split |
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| 19:35.35 | Tramp | yw |
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| 19:56.14 | bluegene | is it possible to find whether someone is writing to a file i am currently reading from? in other words: can i check whether there is an open file descriptor writing to a certain file? |
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| 19:56.55 | robokop | bluegene: fuser or lsof |
| 19:58.01 | bluegene | thanks. i guess i'll need to have a look at the src to find out how this is done |
| 19:59.01 | simonrvn | O_SOMETHING :P |
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| 20:14.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | O_TANNEBAUM? |
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| 20:17.51 | phaidros | could someone just throw me the keyword what to look for, when trying to pin a certain package *version* with apt? (not the priorities of repositories) |
| 20:18.41 | catsup | search Pin: version |
| 20:18.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | "hold"? |
| 20:18.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | in aptitude |
| 20:18.57 | phaidros | thx |
| 20:18.58 | catsup | in apt_preferences(5) |
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| 20:19.05 | catsup | oh that's different |
| 20:19.09 | catsup | but probably better |
| 20:19.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | !hold |
| 20:19.13 | dpkg | from memory, hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Note that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager and Synaptic), but aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. |
| 20:19.58 | phaidros | does holt write into /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 20:20.04 | phaidros | s/holt/hold/ |
| 20:20.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 20:20.24 | fcn | At installation, it stopped somewhere saying 'select and install software' in title. When I change fourth vt I see it is an I/O error about my usb cdrom device. If I disconnect usb and reconnect, will it continue installation? |
| 20:20.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | also see caveat |
| 20:21.02 | phaidros | ack, thx |
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| 20:21.32 | phaidros | so, it is just a style decision: apt-prefereces or aptitude hold :D |
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| 20:24.08 | thewanderer1 | I'm running zfs-fuse. how does user quota work with it? namely, how does it resolve user names to UID? |
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| 20:25.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | I never used Pin: version <something> ... I wouldn't say it's just different style - hold just keeps it temporarily until you decide otherwise... changing preferences seems more permanent |
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| 20:27.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | "not"? |
| 20:28.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought the whole point of fuse was that each user can use it |
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| 20:33.06 | jhutchins_lt | fcn: You tell us! |
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| 20:35.39 | linguini | I've been asked to report a problem with logrotate "upstream". I'm not sure where that is exactly. |
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| 20:37.31 | swerve_ | having trouble upgrading system - something about debian-archive-keyring? |
| 20:37.33 | swerve_ | dpkg: error processing debian-archive-keyring (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2 |
| 20:37.33 | dpkg | swerve_: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 20:37.34 | ansgar | linguini: Looking either at the package's Homepage field (aptitude show <package>) or in /usr/share/doc/<package>/copyright helps. |
| 20:38.20 | swerve_ | http://pastebin.com/4rjBGMkY |
| 20:38.20 | ansgar | linguini: There is no Homepage field for logrotate, but copyright points to <https://fedorahosted.org/logrotate/>. |
| 20:38.53 | linguini | ansgar: Ah, thanks. |
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| 20:40.49 | swerve_ | is anyone here? |
| 20:41.19 | peterS | probably not |
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| 20:41.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | linguini, so probably https://fedorahosted.org/logrotate/report |
| 20:42.54 | swerve_ | does anyone know how to fix this debian keyring error? |
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| 20:43.06 | swerve_ | <swerve_> http://pastebin.com/4rjBGMkY |
| 20:43.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, figure out while dpkg-configure debian-archive-keyring failed |
| 20:43.30 | swerve_ | what would be possible reasons? |
| 20:43.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, and there's no need to repeat 3 minutes after you asked the 1st time, we can still SEE it a bit further up |
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| 20:44.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno, normally now gives a bit more detailed info, yours only seems to say configured to not write apport reports |
| 20:44.32 | swerve_ | that's what I mean, i have no idea what's wrong with it |
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| 20:45.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, it's as it says, the post-installation script fails... you find it in /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package name>.postinst |
| 20:45.22 | swerve_ | something wrong with my sources maybe |
| 20:45.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 20:45.34 | swerve_ | changing from 'lenny' to 'testing' |
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| 20:46.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you look into that file? |
| 20:46.28 | swerve_ | here's more output, does this help? |
| 20:46.32 | swerve_ | http://pastebin.com/VS7L4Bzq |
| 20:46.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | mine on squeeze just says set -e ; if which apt-key > /dev/null; then apt-key update ; fi |
| 20:47.47 | stew | swerve_: can you show us the output of "bash -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/debian-archive-keyring.postinst configure" |
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| 20:48.19 | stew | swerve_: (as root) |
| 20:48.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, he actually indirectly did with the last pastebin |
| 20:48.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | why's it trying to open an error word by word |
| 20:49.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | and what does it mean... "Not a directory: -- list" |
| 20:49.07 | swerve_ | http://pastebin.com/Jyic9Ecx |
| 20:50.19 | stew | swerve_: what happens if you run just "apt-key update"? |
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| 20:51.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | run-parts --list $TRUSTEDPARTS --regex '^.*\.gpg$' |
| 20:51.42 | swerve_ | oh damn |
| 20:52.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | or more complete for trusted in $(run-parts --list $TRUSTEDPARTS --regex '^.*\.gpg$'); do GPG="$GPG --keyring $trusted"; done |
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| 20:52.22 | swerve_ | i followed some webpage that said to do a 'purge' |
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| 20:52.36 | swerve_ | now it says there's no apt-get command |
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| 20:56.00 | swerve_ | wow, this distro is kicking my #sss |
| 20:56.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... obviously it is updating the keys, which is its main function... so to proceed right now, you could just null /var/lib/dpkg/info/debian-archive-keyring.postinst |
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| 20:56.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that doesn't solve the riddle why that error occurs |
| 20:56.18 | swerve_ | i searched debian.org for apt-get package, and it says there isn't one |
| 20:56.27 | swerve_ | now what |
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| 20:56.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's in the package "apt" |
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| 20:57.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | and what did you run that you think removed apt? |
| 20:57.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds unlikely |
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| 20:59.02 | swerve_ | apt-get purge debian-archive-keyring |
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| 20:59.34 | swerve_ | bash: /usr/bin/apt-get: No such file or directory |
| 20:59.38 | swerve_ | ? |
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| 20:59.52 | swerve_ | can i install a new one with dpkg or something? |
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| 21:00.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
| 21:00.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | how many packages did you just remove with that command? |
| 21:00.38 | swerve_ | okay, that seemed to work |
| 21:00.49 | martianlobster | how can I search for the pipe symbol, | with grep or egrep? LOL the shell gets confused when I do egrep | foo.txt |
| 21:00.54 | swerve_ | maybe I should switch to aptitude to figure ou the keyring problem? |
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| 21:01.39 | swerve_ | okay... maybe some progress... |
| 21:01.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | martianlobster, grep '|' |
| 21:01.58 | swerve_ | nope, same error |
| 21:02.32 | swerve_ | says apt-utils isn't installed either, let me get that one... |
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| 21:03.53 | swerve_ | wow, this is quite a mess |
| 21:04.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | the gnome metapackage depends on that for some reason... hm, possibly not.. but apt-rdepends -r says so |
| 21:05.01 | catsup | apt-get is in package 'apt' |
| 21:05.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, not sure how much havoc you just wrecked with that |
| 21:05.03 | catsup | not 'apt-utils' |
| 21:05.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | catsup, I said that! |
| 21:05.14 | catsup | oh |
| 21:05.29 | catsup | what did he do |
| 21:05.59 | swerve_ | looks like a lot |
| 21:06.10 | catsup | what's the output of dpkg -l apt |
| 21:07.00 | swerve_ | http://pastebin.com/N012DeS4 |
| 21:07.15 | catsup | um |
| 21:07.22 | catsup | you could have just pasted the one line there |
| 21:07.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-get purge debian-archive-keyring |
| 21:07.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | with all its dependencies... |
| 21:07.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | \o/ |
| 21:07.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | which, I would like to stress I did _NOT_ tell him to do |
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| 21:08.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | what? |
| 21:08.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | !!! |
| 21:08.20 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 21:08.22 | swerve_ | the guy on the debian forum said it was harmless, would just clean up the database :-/ |
| 21:08.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | bloody fast typer, eh |
| 21:08.26 | catsup | debhelper fail |
| 21:08.34 | catsup | lol swerve_ |
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| 21:08.40 | catsup | looks like u got pranked |
| 21:08.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, but if ever you think you got a system back, try running bash -x /usr/bin/apt-key (also as root) |
| 21:08.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure that got through |
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| 21:08.50 | catsup | all you need to do is download the debs and dpkg -i on them |
| 21:09.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually I think it was just lag and then all I typed came in a rush? |
| 21:09.01 | catsup | just download the deb for apt and dpkg -i |
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| 21:09.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | or did you see it coming slowly |
| 21:09.20 | catsup | and then use apt to install debian-archive-keyring |
| 21:09.30 | swerve_ | there seems to be a dependency problem now |
| 21:09.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, he needs to fix that first |
| 21:09.42 | catsup | omg what |
| 21:09.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | removing apt with a failing keyring package wasn't such a great idea |
| 21:09.52 | swerve_ | needs apt-utils, can't instal that b/c need libapt, can't install libapt b/c apt not configured, etc. |
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| 21:10.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes.. obviously |
| 21:10.23 | swerve_ | so what's the next step? |
| 21:10.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | bash -x /usr/bin/apt-key update |
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| 21:11.13 | swerve_ | that gave a lot of output, do you need it? |
| 21:11.27 | catsup | just dpkg -i them all at once, you can use --force-depends if you need |
| 21:11.32 | swerve_ | or moderate output |
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| 21:12.06 | breardo | hello all |
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| 21:12.28 | breardo | curious.. anyone know of a reasonable tutorial on 'bonding'/'channelizing' multiple similiar eth interfaces into one ? |
| 21:12.30 | swerve_ | looks like i still need to d/l some dependencies |
| 21:12.36 | sh00p | I'm using dm-crypt and cryptsetup with luks to have on-the-fly encryption on some of my disk drives. The time has come to switch to OpenBSD which can't open my drives as they are now so I'm facing a problem. I either need to backup 1.5 TBy of data (which I can't), or is there anyway to "decrypt" my harddrives and turn them into "normal" drives with all the data intact, just no encryption? |
| 21:13.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, yes, pastebin that |
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| 21:13.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | catsup, apt can't be configured because the keyring package can't be configured and that can't be configured before we figure out why |
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| 21:14.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | catsup, he could null the postinst script, but that just means he comes back whenever he upgrades that package next time |
| 21:14.14 | catsup | force everything, rm postinsts, get apt installed asap |
| 21:14.26 | catsup | just my philosophy |
| 21:15.48 | breardo | anyone know of a reasonable tutorial on bonding/channelizing ethernet interfaces in squeeze? Found a few on google, but out of date... didnt work. |
| 21:15.54 | breardo | even a good man page ;) |
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| 21:17.24 | swerve_ | CutMeOwnThroat: http://pastebin.com/642WNGyu |
| 21:19.49 | swerve_ | dpkg -i * isn't working |
| 21:19.49 | dpkg | installs * isn't working into swerve_'s head with a bone saw and a few screws |
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| 21:21.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, what do you have in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ ? |
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| 21:22.36 | swerve_ | looks empty |
| 21:23.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | but then (i.e. for me) this returns nothing run-parts --list /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ --regex '^.*\.gpg$' |
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| 21:25.26 | swerve_ | i'm not going to have to reinstall, am i? |
| 21:25.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does that run-parts return for you? |
| 21:26.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, depends on what you removed with that purge :-P but apart from that, no |
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| 21:27.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, you can immediately continue upgrading, when you do 'echo > /var/lib/dpkg/info/debian-archive-keyring.postinst', but that will mean that the same problem will _keep_ occuring whenever the keyring package is updated, so we better figure out what it is |
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| 21:28.24 | swerve_ | but there's no apt, how can i upgrade? |
| 21:28.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the problem is, that something prints "Not a directory: --list" for some obscure reason and that the sc4ript then passes that on to gpg |
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| 21:28.46 | swerve_ | and i have half-working stuff now that i was trying to fix with the upgrade |
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| 21:29.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, you have apt, it's just not configured, and it can't be configured, because apt-keyring thingy can'T be configured |
| 21:29.28 | swerve_ | oh you're right - it's there |
| 21:29.35 | swerve_ | system can't find it |
| 21:29.45 | swerve_ | seems to be a catch-22 on configuring it |
| 21:30.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what does that return: run-parts --list /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ --regex '^.*\.gpg$' |
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| 21:30.36 | swerve_ | oh sorry - hold on... |
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| 21:31.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | even if I run that on a file, I get: run-parts: failed to open directory /etc/apt/apt.conf: Not a directory |
| 21:31.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I don't see whatever is producing that error message |
| 21:31.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | or what file causes it to be produced either, for that matter |
| 21:31.31 | swerve_ | says: Not a directory: --list |
| 21:31.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm |
| 21:32.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does "dpkg -l debianutils" say? |
| 21:32.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | 3.4? |
| 21:32.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... does it say it's version 3.4? |
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| 21:32.30 | swerve_ | 2.30 |
| 21:32.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions debianutils |
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| 21:32.40 | judd | Package debianutils on i386 -- etch: 2.17; lenny: 2.30; squeeze: 3.4; sid: 3.4.3 |
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| 21:32.57 | swerve_ | yes, i was upgrading from lenny |
| 21:33.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | so the problem seems to be that run-parts from lenny dosn't know --list |
| 21:33.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | let me check that |
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| 21:34.35 | swerve_ | i moved --list to before --regex. now it just returns to the prompt |
| 21:34.49 | swerve_ | but there's nothing in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d you got that, right? |
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| 21:35.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually lenny doesn't even have /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d |
| 21:35.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | and yes, on squeeze mine is empty |
| 21:36.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | empty directory |
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| 21:36.17 | Canar | just bumped into a weird behaviour on squeeze |
| 21:36.33 | Canar | tried to apt-get build-dep xorg-server |
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| 21:36.44 | Canar | that failed |
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| 21:36.50 | swerve_ | apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 21:36.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | but when I create it as an empty directory, then run the same line, I don't get any error, just an empty prompt |
| 21:37.00 | Canar | then i tried apt-get build-dep xserver-xorg-core |
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| 21:37.03 | Canar | Picking 'xorg-server' as source package instead of 'xserver-xorg-core' |
| 21:37.08 | Canar | and it worked -_- |
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| 21:37.19 | swerve_ | or would that be a disaster? |
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| 21:37.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, but the --list was always before the --regex |
| 21:37.36 | e7th04sh | Hello debian people, Squeeze user here, I want to use skype. Should i go with adding deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free to sources for apt and then install their skype package? |
| 21:37.43 | swerve_ | i mean after the dir name |
| 21:37.59 | stew | e7th04sh: ask them |
| 21:38.00 | swerve_ | since it complained that --list wasn't a dir |
| 21:38.19 | e7th04sh | stew wow, so helpful, as always |
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| 21:38.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, yes, but I run the same on lenny and it doesn't complain - and it's the same version of debianutils - 2.3 |
| 21:38.34 | swerve_ | hmm, weird |
| 21:38.39 | e7th04sh | look i just want to use skype, please get over ideology ok? |
| 21:38.40 | swerve_ | maybe something got partially upgraded |
| 21:38.48 | e7th04sh | and just tell me if this is the recommended way to do this |
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| 21:39.07 | swerve_ | 'cause i definitely have that trusted.gpg.d directory |
| 21:39.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, md5sum /bin/run-parts gives me 5aeead75c6edb0eac3ea3d08f2dcef32 |
| 21:39.13 | stew | e7th04sh: no, its not recommended to mix two different releases |
| 21:39.26 | alfredliu | how about edit the sources.list file? |
| 21:39.28 | e7th04sh | oh, wait, right |
| 21:39.36 | e7th04sh | i haven't noticed that |
| 21:39.36 | swerve_ | CutMeOwnThroat: that's what I get |
| 21:39.38 | swerve_ | same hash |
| 21:40.15 | e7th04sh | if there is a repositoryt for squeeze available, would that be the recommended way to handle skype? or perhaps there is some alternative to their software? |
| 21:40.23 | stew | Canar: there isn't a binary package named xorg-server; "apt-get --only-source build-dep xorg-server" might work |
| 21:40.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh |
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| 21:41.10 | martianlobster | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks, I was called away, and just got back to the keyboard |
| 21:41.39 | Canar | stew: thanks for the advice; i seem to have gotten it building using build-dep xserver-xorg-core but i'll try to remember the --only-source flag if i run into this again |
| 21:41.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | yw |
| 21:41.55 | Canar | may install a stock squeeze on a vm and see if i can repro this |
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| 21:42.36 | korencia | e7th04sh DO you ask, if there is alternative for skype? Yes, there are. |
| 21:42.39 | vin | I have added another repository that adds a newer version of weecaht |
| 21:42.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, I don't see how the same program as I have (according to hash) can fail with the same command on the same empty directory ... for you, but not for me |
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| 21:42.56 | vin | but I cant get apt to install the one from that repository and not from debian.org |
| 21:42.58 | e7th04sh | korencia I ask whether there is alternative to skype client, that handles skype protocl. |
| 21:43.40 | Canar | bah, thought i had it figured out... dpkg-buildpackage is throwing an error still |
| 21:43.42 | Canar | E: Build-Depends dependency for xorg-server cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package x11proto-core-dev can satisfy version requirements |
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| 21:45.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, there is not even an error "not a directory" in run-parts. Do you perhaps have an alias called run-parts that points to something else or... anything else that could lead to something different being executed? |
| 21:45.52 | Canar | weird. looks like squeeze dependencies might be messed up here... |
| 21:45.57 | korencia | e7th04sh I think all about the skype is proprietary. Even skype integration into Pidgin needs running skype instance.. I do not know about NO ONE alternative. |
| 21:46.07 | stew | Canar: what version of xorg-server are you tryingot build? |
| 21:46.13 | e7th04sh | thanks korencia |
| 21:46.35 | e7th04sh | that solves my problem, if there is no alternative, i at least know what to do :) |
| 21:46.37 | swerve_ | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: debian-archive-keyring is broken or not fully installed |
| 21:46.39 | Canar | xorg-server-1.9.3.901, which is the current version given by apt-get source |
| 21:46.55 | korencia | e7th04sh You can try their repo on your own. But there's no guarantee from debian. It owned fully by skype |
| 21:47.09 | stew | judd: versions xserver-xorg-core |
| 21:47.11 | judd | Package xserver-xorg-core on i386 -- etch: 2:1.1.1-21etch5; etch-security: 2:1.1.1-21etch5; lenny: 2:1.4.2-10.lenny3; sid: 2:1.7.7-11; squeeze: 2:1.7.7-11; experimental: 2:1.9.3.901-1 |
| 21:47.14 | Canar | bah, no |
| 21:47.19 | Canar | sorry :/ |
| 21:48.12 | korencia | e7th04sh You will need ia32 packages also for GTK, if you will install it on 64bit OS. |
| 21:48.17 | stew | Canar: so if you want to build the experimental version on squeeze you have to first backport x11proto-core-dev (and probably a bunch of other stuff) |
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| 21:48.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, well, why don't you null the postinst file for now, go ahead with upgrading the system and see if the failure of "apt-key update" prevails after you upgraded debianutils... |
| 21:48.28 | Canar | i don't want to build the experimental version |
| 21:48.32 | stew | Canar: you are going to see the downside of the modularized xorg :) |
| 21:48.42 | Canar | i think i've screwed up my apt pinning somehow |
| 21:48.59 | stew | Canar: do you want a deb-src line for experimental at all? |
| 21:49.09 | e7th04sh | korencia thanks, i am 32 bit here |
| 21:49.11 | korencia | e7th04sh I thing dependencies for their package for debian do not contain all of the dependences. Check skype forum if any trouble |
| 21:49.18 | swerve_ | nothing will install. it all fails with that keyring error |
| 21:49.24 | stew | does pinning affect apt-get source? |
| 21:49.29 | e7th04sh | korencia, i will, thank you |
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| 21:50.05 | stew | swerve_: did you try the squeeze version of debianutils? |
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| 21:50.28 | stew | swerve_: you are trying to mix stable and testing? |
| 21:50.29 | swerve_ | manually install it? let me try |
| 21:50.38 | stew | swerve_: manually? |
| 21:50.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, not yet.. what baffles me is, that my lenny version of debianutils does the run-parts command that fails for him just fine |
| 21:51.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, 'echo > /var/lib/dpkg/info/debian-archive-keyring.postinst', if you forgot I wrote that, then you can fully install/configure apt and continue the upgrade... |
| 21:51.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | then check if apt-key update still fails |
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| 21:52.10 | Canar | stew: i had the plymouth -> gdm transition that ubuntu and fedora use working in a previous install of squeeze, which i nuked |
| 21:52.13 | Canar | trying to get back there |
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| 21:52.18 | Canar | it would appear as though apt pinning doesn't affect apt-get source |
| 21:52.26 | Canar | which seems counterintuitive to me |
| 21:52.33 | swerve_ | okay, new debianutils and sensible_utils installed, now i'm trying the upgrade again |
| 21:53.02 | Canar | but as i don't really want source from experimental anyhow, i've disabled deb-src as you suggested |
| 21:53.22 | swerve_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.22 | swerve_ | bash: echo > /var/lib/dpkg/info/debian-archive-keyring.postinst: No such file or directory |
| 21:53.40 | Canar | only reason i bothered with that at all was to get iceweasel 4 running |
| 21:53.41 | Azrael_- | i try to setup manually a lvm in cryptsetup. works fine so far but i just can't get initramfs to ask for a pw. can you give me a hint? |
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| 21:55.05 | swerve_ | nope - same thing |
| 21:55.06 | swerve_ | Setting up debian-archive-keyring (2010.08.28) ... |
| 21:55.06 | swerve_ | dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute installed post-installation script: Exec format error |
| 21:55.06 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, swerve_ |
| 21:55.33 | swerve_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:56.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I told you how you can continue now |
| 21:56.28 | stew | swerve_: Exec format error!?! what did you do? |
| 21:56.31 | stew | oh |
| 21:56.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, that's new |
| 21:56.59 | swerve_ | i ran the upgrade with squeeze debianutils ??? |
| 21:57.05 | swerve_ | wrong? |
| 21:57.13 | stew | no, that's fine |
| 21:57.33 | stew | i'm not sure why we are trying to get rid of the d-a-k postinst, and if we are, we we aren't just getting rid of it |
| 21:57.43 | swerve_ | this exec format error must be why it can't read the file |
| 21:57.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, was that after the echo >? |
| 21:57.54 | swerve_ | or do what it needs to do |
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| 21:58.07 | swerve_ | no file |
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| 21:58.18 | stew | a single newline isn't a valid executable format |
| 21:58.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, we are, because it fails and it's the reason apt can't be configured... |
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| 21:58.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... sorry, I figured that |
| 21:58.29 | arosen | Hello, how do i get the build directory in /lib/modules/2.6.32-bpo.5-486/ ? |
| 21:58.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | (a bit too late) |
| 21:58.38 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: you want to either just remove it or give it a shebang |
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| 21:58.56 | stew | arosen: aptitude install linux-headers/2.6.32-bpo.5-486 |
| 21:59.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, right... just remove that file alltogether |
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| 21:59.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, I had echo '' >file in mind, which works, but only wrote echo >file |
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| 22:00.50 | arosen | I'm getting some errors when I try to build some source code telling me to check your system clock. |
| 22:00.53 | e7th04sh | hmm i used to have skype installed, but i do not remember how i did it |
| 22:00.59 | swerve_ | nope, same error |
| 22:01.01 | arosen | Anyone know what could be wrong with that? |
| 22:01.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, sorry, that should have been echo '' > /var/lib/dpkg/info/debian-archive-keyring.postinst |
| 22:01.16 | e7th04sh | i tried googling and browsing skype.com but both weren't heklpful |
| 22:01.20 | swerve_ | or same as before, i mean |
| 22:01.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, and when was the file not there? it should be there, whenever you have previously tried to install debian-archive-keyring |
| 22:01.38 | korencia | e7th04sh there are 3 ways: staticaly linked, dynamically linked or deb. package fro debian |
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| 22:01.49 | stew | arosen: build systems are often based on modification time, so they fail when files have a modification time in the future, which often means your clock must be wrong (and in the past) |
| 22:01.57 | jetscreamer | hey ok the radeon module gets autoloaded at boot. ok... how do i tell it to not set my console at 1024x768 or 1280x1024 or whatever it is.. text is too small for my old and blind eyes |
| 22:02.01 | e7th04sh | korencia i am pretty sure i used deb package |
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| 22:02.06 | swerve_ | echo '' > (etc.) just returns to the prompt |
| 22:02.09 | e7th04sh | but their package is for lenny |
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| 22:02.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, right |
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| 22:03.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, and now dpkg --configure debian-archive-keyring shouldn't fail anymore |
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| 22:03.18 | korencia | e7th04sh I preffer .deb . OK. Then you need to have it's dependencies, which are listed on the bottom of http://www.skype.com/intl/en/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/ |
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| 22:03.39 | swerve_ | don't understand what the issue with this keyring is now that the file is removed |
| 22:04.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, what do you mean "now"? |
| 22:04.05 | korencia | e7th04sh yes, maybe it's package for lenny, abut I'm on squeeze long long time and it's working. Even i'm 64bit |
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| 22:04.26 | swerve_ | you just told me to remove it a few lines ago! |
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| 22:05.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, yes... removing or putting nothing in it, both is fine... |
| 22:05.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | either one |
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| 22:05.47 | swerve_ | what's all this /root/.gpg stuff about? |
| 22:05.56 | swerve_ | .gnupg i mean |
| 22:06.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, it's taking the error message and searching for the single words from the message in $HOME/.gnupg |
| 22:06.20 | korencia | e7th04sh shortly: Ignore that it is officially for another version of debian. Just get the dependences and install |
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| 22:06.49 | swerve_ | then i'm stumped |
| 22:06.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, then it can't open them and gnupg reports failure (although it did update the keys from what I see) |
| 22:07.09 | swerve_ | there must be a way of fixing this keyring somehow |
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| 22:08.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is the problem now? |
| 22:08.31 | swerve_ | nothing will install |
| 22:08.45 | swerve_ | same problem |
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| 22:09.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | remove/null the postinst file, run dpkg --configure debian-archive-keyring |
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| 22:10.34 | swerve_ | already did that with dpkg-reconfigure - says it's already configured |
| 22:11.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | then debian-archive-keyring can't be the reason anymore why you can't install anything else |
| 22:11.35 | jetscreamer | anybody answer my radeonfb question? |
| 22:11.39 | jetscreamer | checks lastlog |
| 22:11.50 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 22:11.55 | swerve_ | good point - let me check an upgrade now |
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| 22:12.48 | swerve_ | i guess it's apt itself - i don't really know |
| 22:13.10 | swerve_ | i'll just pastebin the whole thing again |
| 22:13.42 | swerve_ | http://pastebin.com/ZYwR05Dy |
| 22:14.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | *sigh* ... it's running the same thing |
| 22:14.20 | swerve_ | it keeps saying Lenny, but those are commented out in sources |
| 22:14.23 | jetscreamer | korencia: the radeon module gets autoloaded at boot. how do i tell it to not set my console at 1024x768 or 1280x1024 or whatever it is.. text is too small for my old and blind eyes |
| 22:14.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's saying that because the current keyring contains the key for lenny, even on squeeze |
| 22:15.01 | swerve_ | but that's okay, right? |
| 22:15.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 22:15.14 | korencia | jetscreamer DO you work without X server? You are on the console ONLY? |
| 22:15.24 | swerve_ | i dont' get it |
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| 22:15.32 | jetscreamer | korencia: i use x but i use the console also, and this is affecting the console |
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| 22:15.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see why that error is produced - you say you have the same run-parts and that that fails on run-parts --list /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ --regex '^.*\.gpg$' with this error |
| 22:15.57 | jetscreamer | korencia: i didn't want to blacklist the module |
| 22:15.59 | korencia | OK. So I think better is to say console to use bigger font |
| 22:16.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | which mine does neither on squeeze nor on lenny |
| 22:16.28 | swerve_ | yep, says "not a directory" |
| 22:16.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I don't see how it can |
| 22:16.54 | korencia | jetscreamer Try to configure console.. Please wait a minute or five.. Ineed to find some tutorial on changing tty's font size |
| 22:16.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | try that again, but call it with |
| 22:16.56 | swerve_ | why is that important? i don't understand that step |
| 22:16.57 | jetscreamer | korencia it's like vga=normal vs vga=0x0318 but this is the module and not a boot parameter |
| 22:17.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
| 22:17.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | or other way around |
| 22:17.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, what does "type run-parts" say? |
| 22:17.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | (for root) |
| 22:17.28 | swerve_ | run-parts is hashed (/usr/bin/run-parts) |
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| 22:17.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh |
| 22:17.53 | korencia | jetscreamer Ok. I understand. But the problem is the height of the letters. So there are 2 ways: higher font (in pixels) or less resolution. |
| 22:17.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, that should be /bin/run-parts |
| 22:18.15 | korencia | jetscreamer increasing font size is gennerally that better idea. |
| 22:18.32 | swerve_ | it's installed wrong? |
| 22:18.41 | jetscreamer | ok |
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| 22:19.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, you must, at some time in the past, installed it outside the packaging system |
| 22:19.22 | Gulfstream | wich CD do I use to install Debian? |
| 22:19.26 | swerve_ | i've never done anything outside of apt-get |
| 22:19.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, or possibly it was there in some really old version and you didn't uninstall the package cleanly |
| 22:19.45 | swerve_ | maybe, not sure |
| 22:19.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, try again with /bin/run-parts ..... |
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| 22:20.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | but even etch had /bin/run-parts |
| 22:20.55 | swerve_ | just returns to the prompt |
| 22:20.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, well... either it was you, or someone broke into the system and left this run-parts as a backdoor or something |
| 22:20.59 | swerve_ | this was etch originally |
| 22:21.01 | swerve_ | old server |
| 22:21.05 | swerve_ | ;-) |
| 22:21.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, but I still run etch on a machine and that also has /bin/run-parts |
| 22:21.33 | swerve_ | it's possible someone broke in |
| 22:21.39 | swerve_ | i suppose |
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| 22:21.55 | swerve_ | have never seen any evidence of it - doesn't mean anything tho |
| 22:21.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, well, move /usr/bin/run-parts out of the PATH and the problem is gone |
| 22:22.09 | swerve_ | mv /usr/bin/run-parts to /bin ? |
| 22:22.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, no! |
| 22:22.23 | swerve_ | to where? |
| 22:22.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, you _don't_ want the one in /usr/bin |
| 22:22.39 | swerve_ | just delete? |
| 22:22.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, move it to /root/ or somewhere where it's not found |
| 22:23.14 | adb | or /opt, /srv ... |
| 22:23.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, well, in your case, I would want to have a look at it to see if it's really coming from debian or is... "something else" |
| 22:23.40 | swerve_ | holy cow - that seems to be working, hold on... |
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| 22:24.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... you say "I didn't put it there" - and that means either you're wrong with that assumption, or someone placed it there, possibly for malicious reasons |
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| 22:24.39 | swerve_ | what else might be related to that that I could check to see if that's there? |
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| 22:25.01 | javagamer | Seeing as Truecrypt has been deemed non-free, is there a free on-the-fly encryption that works well with Debian? |
| 22:25.01 | swerve_ | i don't even know what a run-parts is - never heard of it b4 today |
| 22:25.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | me neither |
| 22:25.19 | swerve_ | so maybe i did get hacked, or it's something left over from etch |
| 22:25.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | manpage says it runs several scripts in a directory |
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| 22:25.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, have a look at it... perhaps it's a script and hence human-readable |
| 22:26.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | swerve_, it's not from etch if you didn't place it there... the one in etch is also in /bin |
| 22:26.33 | swerve_ | hmmm... it's human readable, just a few routines |
| 22:26.55 | swerve_ | the one in /bin is in code |
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| 22:27.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | right, the one from debian is an ELF binary |
| 22:27.33 | korencia | jetscreamer Hm.. Maybe I'm wrong. I have seen the setting this in the installation process and didn't noticed it was targetting VGA.. Hm.. |
| 22:27.33 | korencia | But could you post in here your /etc/X11/xorg.conf maybe there will be something useful you can easily set. |
| 22:27.40 | swerve_ | are there any 2nd party apps that might have put it there? |
| 22:27.56 | swerve_ | like proprietary video drivers, etc. ? |
| 22:27.59 | e7th04sh | thanks for all the help korencia |
| 22:28.14 | swerve_ | ups battery app, etc. ? |
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| 22:29.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | not from a package in debian |
| 22:30.00 | korencia | jetscreamer past your /etc/X11/xorg.conf in ca.pastebin.com and give me the link to it. Then we can try to change it a bit to set the tty resolution.. |
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| 22:30.10 | swerve_ | looks like it might be something to do with crontab |
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| 22:31.10 | swerve_ | or at least it's not unheard of for it to be in /usr/bin |
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| 22:32.12 | swerve_ | anyway - thanks a lot for helping me out |
| 22:32.17 | swerve_ | i never would have figured that out |
| 22:33.12 | jetscreamer | korencia: apparently i can pass options radeonfb <options> in modprobe.conf |
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| 22:33.37 | jetscreamer | korencia: x is fine, xterm et al are fine |
| 22:33.44 | jetscreamer | it's just the console |
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| 22:34.50 | jetscreamer | korencia .. my xorg.conf should be blank, also.. lemme look |
| 22:35.28 | jetscreamer | heh it's so blank it's non-existent |
| 22:36.05 | korencia | jetscreamer Mh.. Then I humbly proclaim, I have right now no idea... no way what to do.. Only to study that options for radeon module, as you have wrote. |
| 22:36.05 | tlchack5 | I have a debian web server and I want to set up a hosting service. I am trying to make virtual machines running on it each independently one nameserver that points to the other virtual machines each running apache and ftp, any idea where to start? |
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| 22:36.39 | jetscreamer | korencia: fbset does stuff to it too, but my one try so far wasn't correct :) |
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| 22:38.06 | jetscreamer | it just resized the usable screen area |
| 22:38.14 | jetscreamer | same tiny font |
| 22:38.22 | jetscreamer | big blank on bottom |
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| 22:42.33 | korencia | jetscreamer try this http://thesapphirecat.iwarp.com/present/program/radeonfb.html#mode |
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| 22:43.34 | korencia | jetscreamer http://thesapphirecat.iwarp.com/present/program/radeonfb.html#font |
| 22:44.54 | jetscreamer | korencia: http://thesapphirecat.iwarp.com/present/program/radeonfb.html heh |
| 22:44.59 | jetscreamer | i'm so there |
| 22:45.21 | dhorner_mb | I am having a hard time getting squeeze i386 to work on XenServer 5.6. It has trouble seeing the CDROM in the installer. |
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| 22:45.47 | jetscreamer | dhorner_mb: what works for me sometimes is to veryify the cd then it works |
| 22:45.49 | jetscreamer | sometimes |
| 22:46.03 | jetscreamer | worked last night |
| 22:46.14 | dhorner_mb | ya and it acts differently depending on which template you use to create the vm |
| 22:46.31 | dhorner_mb | like when creating using the lenny template I get an invalid_source error and can't even boot the cd |
| 22:47.03 | dhorner_mb | then using other media, it boots fine, but then gives me an error about finding the cdrom, or it complains about not being able to find an installable kernel! |
| 22:47.04 | korencia | jetscreamer -it is bad way that page? It doesn't work? |
| 22:47.34 | jetscreamer | korencia: no i just meant i was already there |
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| 22:48.41 | korencia | jetscreamer :-) Good luck. Maybe that will work |
| 22:48.44 | smw | Anyone know how to run a script at shutdown? Do you just put it in rc0.d? Do you also need to make sure it only responds to start or stop? |
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| 22:49.06 | jetscreamer | 0 is halt |
| 22:49.10 | jetscreamer | 6 is restart |
| 22:49.29 | jetscreamer | if that helps |
| 22:49.35 | dhorner_mb | I have had success booting the jidgo special lenny install, but when i tried to create a custom ISO from that machine using simple-cdd, it doesn't boot, so it makes me think something special in the xen jigdo iso (install.386/xen/vmlinuz for one... |
| 22:49.43 | smw | jetscreamer, I knew that. My question is, do I need to do anything else? |
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| 22:50.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | !init.d |
| 22:50.23 | dpkg | /etc/init.d/ is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to /etc/init.d/myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript defaults". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <rc.local> <runlevel>. See also <missing lsb tags>. |
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| 22:51.09 | smw | I don't need basic info on init! |
| 22:51.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | only softlinks go into the rcX.d... and update-rd.d makes them for you |
| 22:51.50 | korencia | smw Try it and you will see if it works. If it doesn't work, then say it doesn't work.. If you have done it TRY. |
| 22:52.15 | smw | CutMeOwnThroat, I am making a special script that uploads some stuff on shutdown. |
| 22:52.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | right now you are asking questions which are about basic info about init.d... |
| 22:52.51 | dhorner_mb | jetscreamer, using the verify right now "Check CDROM Integrity" tells me cannot read removable media; or not drivers found. |
| 22:53.16 | korencia | smw Oh.. then there may be a problem: there may be set a time in which the script must end |
| 22:53.41 | smw | korencia, how long would it have? |
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| 22:54.02 | korencia | smw It isn't the case. Imagine you have bad connection |
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| 22:54.16 | Triffid_Hunter | smw: usually 5-10 seconds |
| 22:54.26 | dhorner_mb | I think it is a little weird to boot from cdrom, and then not being able to see the cdrom. :) |
| 22:54.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there something enforcing a limit? |
| 22:54.35 | smw | korencia, this is an ec2 server and the file is under 5 MB. |
| 22:54.58 | korencia | smw even if it would have 24 hours and you have unplugged PC, it would freeze. That is UNSTABLE, not SURE way to upload |
| 22:55.12 | smw | CutMeOwnThroat, nm, it just occurred to me that shutdown is the same as switching runlevels. So stuff in rc0 will be sent "start". |
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| 22:55.49 | smw | korencia, the server could not have no internet. It is an ec2 server |
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| 22:56.43 | smw | korencia, it is for uploading performance statistics of servers that are born and die in less than a 5 hour time frame. |
| 22:56.59 | korencia | smw Mh.. I think better way is to prepare a daemon which will update changes in time intervals |
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| 22:57.34 | smw | korencia, I wish I could append to a file in s3 :-\ |
| 22:58.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | s3? |
| 22:58.19 | smw | CutMeOwnThroat, amazon's file storage service |
| 22:58.19 | korencia | smw :-) for those things there are 'patch'-es and diffs |
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| 22:58.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | eye sea |
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| 23:01.29 | ring0 | hi, is there a metapackage for installing the whole gnome desktop environment? |
| 23:01.52 | korencia | smw Or maybe you can work the way as database system works: prepare small files, which you will upload each 10 minutes. |
| 23:02.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | "gnome-desktop-environment"? |
| 23:02.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | (you might have guessed that!) |
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| 23:02.49 | jetscreamer | what happened to the gnome metapackage named 'gnome' |
| 23:02.50 | jetscreamer | gone? |
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| 23:03.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, that exists, too, but installs more stuff |
| 23:03.11 | korencia | smw Then the server needs a program to receive it. If you need just speedy solution for this one case, then maybe use svn (subversion) and do versioning of the one file. |
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| 23:03.32 | ring0 | CutMeOwnThroat, well, acutally you're right. thanks anyway |
| 23:03.38 | jetscreamer | oh i thought he wanted the kitchen sink |
| 23:03.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, only the refrigerator |
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| 23:03.54 | smw | korencia, It is a log file that is updated every minute on servers that live for 5 hours. |
| 23:04.12 | smw | korencia, the files will be small so I guess I will upload them as is. |
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| 23:05.06 | szymon_g | hi |
| 23:05.07 | smw | korencia, actually... 5 hours is a long time. It is more likely to last 3.5 ;-) |
| 23:05.59 | szymon_g | could anyone, please, tell me what are the 'standard', mandatory cflags in debian /squeezy esp./, on amd64? |
| 23:06.06 | szymon_g | i'm just curious :) |
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| 23:06.41 | korencia | smw Yes, it would work if the environment will be stable. But there is a small hole. Try it and if that hole will be bigger then acceptable, we will talk about it afterwards |
| 23:07.42 | korencia | smw Maybe if you konw, when the server will go off, you can set a cron to do it a minute before |
| 23:07.49 | tlchack5 | does anybody know a package that will allow me to make virtual servers on a single debian server? not like chmod, because I want to be able to install freeBSD and CHOAS on several of them |
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| 23:10.59 | ansgar | tlchack5: Something like Xen, KVM or VirtualBox? |
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| 23:11.28 | g0rd0n | /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: This msdos-style partition label has no post-MBR gap; embedding won't be possible! <- what can i do in such a case? |
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| 23:12.01 | jef91 | anyone here know their way around the reprepro command? |
| 23:12.11 | tlchack5 | ansgar: Thank you. Will those run on a headless server with no GUI? |
| 23:12.15 | korencia | tlchack5 or VMWare ? (If you need it for massive enterprise usage and you want not to throw away the computational power of your machine, this is your way. But it is not cheap..) |
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| 23:13.16 | ansgar | tlchack5: I think they can all be used that way. |
| 23:13.28 | tlchack5 | korencia: I hope to eventually make it commercial but as of right now its for educational purposes |
| 23:13.33 | phogg | tlchack5: everything lets you run headless with no GUI |
| 23:13.47 | tlchack5 | phogg: Awesome! Thats what I needed to know! Thanks :-) |
| 23:14.42 | babilen | !virtualization |
| 23:14.42 | dpkg | For resources concerning the use of Debian as a host for virtual computers, or as a guest within a virtual computer, see http://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization . Also ask me about <hyper-v>, <kvm>, <linux-vserver>, <lxc>, <mol>, <openvz>, <pearpc>, <qemu>, <user mode linux>, <virtualbox>, <virtual pc>, <vmware>, <xen>, <xve>, <ksm>. |
| 23:15.07 | babilen | tlchack5: ^^^^ -- /msg dpkg xen (for example) |
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| 23:17.14 | szymon_g | hm... "Presto reduced the update size by 88% (from 158 M to 19 M)" when debian will have that feature :|? |
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| 23:17.50 | korencia | tlchack5 if you need to have just server for virtualization (NOTHING MORE), maybe use xen, If you want something less interactive, which your students can use home and play with it also in GUI, try virtualBox (my tip) / KVM |
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| 23:20.35 | tlchack5 | korencia: Thanks :-) What I want to do is set up a single server hosting out multiple virtual machines that users can install whatever OS they want on (freeBSD, CHAOS, debian, Ubuntu, etc) and treat it as their own private server. They pay monthly for bandwith usage and a one time fee for disk space and the service itself is free. Lets people with dialup or no access to hardware learn how to use linux and make their own webservers. |
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| 23:21.43 | korencia | Nice :-) |
| 23:21.56 | catsup | tlchack5: where are you hosting it? |
| 23:22.20 | tlchack5 | my bedroom but I am talking to the cable company about upgrading to a fiberoptic line if I make it commercial |
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| 23:23.41 | korencia | Maybe http://www.eyeos.org/ will impress them also |
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| 23:25.02 | tlchack5 | korencia: That is impressive! |
| 23:25.35 | Bastihase | how can i install this: msgfmt |
| 23:25.42 | Bastihase | what packet is this? |
| 23:25.44 | korencia | tlchack5 Maybe eyeOS will be good for them to imagine, what they can do with openSouce solutions. Your hosting will be then setting their own linux.. something advancing their webspace.. |
| 23:26.13 | themill | dpkg: tell Bastihase about apt-file |
| 23:26.28 | tlchack5 | korencia: I'm not a teacher, I am a student, although I teach my friends quite often. They will probably be the first beta testers on my server. |
| 23:26.50 | korencia | :-) I'm student also.. |
| 23:27.41 | tlchack5 | korencia: Awesome! Maybe you could benefit from a virtual private server ;-) |
| 23:27.52 | neoice | anyone here taken a lenny box and moved to squeeze? |
| 23:28.46 | korencia | :-) Now not.. I have dedicated 2 servers especially for me on my faculty.. They have very good connection ;-) |
| 23:29.01 | korencia | neoice Yes? |
| 23:29.20 | neoice | I'm concerned that moving from python25 to 26 as the system python might break stuff, so I'm just wondering if people have done it succesfully, what the setups were, gotchas |
| 23:29.36 | neoice | I'm guessing there's not an upgrade guide + errata for an unrelease version. |
| 23:29.47 | themill | !squeeze release notes |
| 23:29.47 | dpkg | A draft of the squeeze release notes can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes and will be periodically updated as the release notes are finalised. See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze . Also ask me about <i-g>, <install squeeze>, <firmware images>. |
| 23:30.02 | tlchack5 | lol well I really appreciate the help korencia, I'm going to drop in on this channel every once in a while and try giving advice however misguided it may be lol |
| 23:30.04 | szymon_g | korencia, what's your faculty, if may i ask? |
| 23:30.07 | themill | neoice: but you'll find they don't talk much about py2.6 |
| 23:30.35 | korencia | tlchack5 Good luck ;-) ! |
| 23:30.40 | korencia | szymon_g www.fri.uniza.sk |
| 23:31.22 | neoice | themill: replaces 24? I have 25.... |
| 23:31.58 | themill | neoice: context? |
| 23:32.02 | szymon_g | korencia, sounds nice. i can, seriously, understand most of it |
| 23:32.08 | neoice | "python2.4, successor is python2.6." |
| 23:32.17 | neoice | I dont think I was using 24 even on etch. |
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| 23:32.58 | themill | neoice: python2.4 is available for lenny. It would help if you said where this actually was. |
| 23:33.31 | neoice | themill: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#obsolete |
| 23:34.38 | themill | neoice: that's a perfectly true statement. python2.4 is obsolete in squeeze and the successor package is python2.6 |
| 23:34.57 | korencia | neoice If there will be problem, you just can SILMPLY change the link /usr/bin/python to /usr/bin/python2.x Then you will default use GENERALLY 2.5 |
| 23:35.07 | themill | no, you *never* do that |
| 23:35.27 | jelly-hme | korencia: changing that link is not supported by debian, things will break |
| 23:35.37 | neoice | isnt there a python-select command that essentially does that? |
| 23:35.40 | korencia | jelly-hme ? |
| 23:36.07 | themill | neoice: no. The default python version is set distribution-wide and should remain unchanged |
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| 23:37.15 | jelly-hme | korencia: packaged tools and scripts using #!/usr/bin/python are tested and made under the assumption that link does not change during the lifetime of a release |
| 23:37.19 | themill | korencia: packages that assume /usr/bin/python is python2.6 will suddenly be broken. The admin is not supposed to be changing the default version of interpreters like that |
| 23:37.38 | tlchack5 | Korencia: Hey real quick, you said if I want it just for virtualization (and nothing more) to use Xen, what more could I do with it? |
| 23:38.49 | korencia | tlchack5 Are you questioning about capabilities of xen? |
| 23:39.24 | neoice | themill: am I using "/usr/bin/env python2.5" wrong? a few of my scripts are throwing library deprecation warnings. |
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| 23:39.52 | themill | neoice: if you specifically want python2.5 then that is perfectly correct. |
| 23:40.04 | tlchack5 | korencia: Yea, it seemed like you were implying there were limitiations |
| 23:40.32 | neoice | themill: changing it to "/usr/bin/python2.5" makes the warnings go away, so something must be different |
| 23:40.33 | korencia | themill thanks.. I didn't imagine it can do so much problems.. I tried to change that link for a moment and there were no problem.. But it opens a hole.. |
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| 23:41.23 | neoice | tlchack5: Xen is an awesome VM platform but it's fairly advanced and has some issues. FreeBSD doesnt play nice with it for one, even under hvm |
| 23:41.23 | themill | neoice: do you have a local installation of python (/usr/local/bin or similar?) |
| 23:41.29 | neoice | god no. |
| 23:42.09 | korencia | tlchack5 Xen is used ESPECIALLY for openSource virtualization of webservers, so if you need something for what you just said, preffer it. VirtualBox has nice GUI interface -it si OK, if U need to config something very interactive |
| 23:42.10 | neoice | only things in local/bin are stuff I wrote |
| 23:42.12 | tlchack5 | neoice: what do you mean by "play nice" does it crash and burn or does it just have a hickup every once in a while? |
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| 23:42.31 | neoice | tlchack5: uhh........ lets call it crash and burn. |
| 23:42.44 | tlchack5 | neoice: thats concerning lol. |
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| 23:43.43 | korencia | neoice but if you upgrade, all packages upgrade also. So there should be python programs in the debian repo runing 2.6 default |
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| 23:44.56 | JamesBrink | what char encoding does linux use by default |
| 23:44.56 | aarkerio | hi! somebody knows how change beep sound? |
| 23:45.02 | tlchack5 | korencia: so for what I am doing either xen or VMware is the way to go is what you are saying? Will I still be able to charge for support/hardware/bandwith with the license? I just want to make sure I start off on the right foot, I hate getting a month into a program/project and having to scrap it all and start over |
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| 23:47.24 | korencia | tlchack5 I understand. I know it very well.. But VMWare needs the initial investition -and not so small. In the beginning I advice you to use OpenSource. And AFTERWARDS, if you could sell it, turn to VMWare. |
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| 23:49.00 | korencia | tlchack5 If you have rich father, then just try the VMWare, but else I advice you just from the bottom-up. I didn't know about problems with virtualization of FreeBSD, as was said. I'm just going to try it on my own.. |
| 23:49.39 | tlchack5 | korencia: alright, thanks dude |
| 23:50.39 | neoice | KVM has been getting a lot of attention, especially in the kernel |
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| 23:51.57 | korencia | tlchack5 If you want to make a money from it, you need to think about it from the beginning. But do NOT think of the money ONLY :-). And straightforward using VMWare is very risky investition. Make a small trial period (maybe o year) on OpenSource. |
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| 23:54.39 | stew | i don't know why one would choose xen over kvm if your hardware supports it |
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| 23:56.24 | Delf | Guys.. we have a serious security issue. |
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| 23:56.53 | korencia | neoice (Xen) FreeBSD doesnt play nice with it for one, even under hvm ---see this: http://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD/Xen |
| 23:56.58 | KB1JWQ | Delf: Oh? |
| 23:57.01 | nutron | what /sys file shows current timer used again? |
| 23:57.06 | tlchack5 | Delf: Who is we and what is the issue? |
| 23:57.22 | nutron | ie, hpet vs rtc |
| 23:57.52 | Delf | We, Debian users. The issue is, I managed to log onto a account that usually requires password. |
| 23:57.54 | korencia | tlchack5 maybe the xen will be OKAY with xen.. So try xen directly.. |
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| 23:59.01 | ansgar | Delf: So? |
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| 23:59.13 | nutron | /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource .. heh |
| 23:59.14 | tlchack5 | korencia: okay, I |
| 23:59.17 | Delf | So? |
| 23:59.20 | tlchack5 | 'll give it a try |
| 23:59.39 | Delf | What's the point of having a password then? |