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| 00:10.36 | nutron | for lack of actually wanting to try it since I don't actually use gdm but... if a system user's shell is set to /bin/false can he/she still login via gdm and run ... startup scripts? |
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| 00:59.22 | xk | how do I update diversions? |
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| 01:13.20 | tharkun | Gentlemen i have on this server a 5 minutes window of time that i can perform upgrades on it. Problem is that downloading using apt-get or aptitude takes most of the window. Is there a way to make the upgrades on a two step process. Downlading the packages first, then installing them? |
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| 01:13.41 | xk | apt-get -d install <blah> |
| 01:13.51 | xk | -d == download only |
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| 01:14.20 | Delf | So.. who's going to be my Debian and c++ tutor? |
| 01:14.41 | BlackFate | Delf, google |
| 01:14.56 | tharkun | xk: not the case but i'll research how -a behaves with upgrade |
| 01:15.07 | xk | no? |
| 01:15.19 | Delf | BlackFate: No, I don't want to provide codes for Google. I want to provide someone that has helped me. |
| 01:15.23 | Delf | Personally.. |
| 01:15.41 | tharkun | xk: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade is my case |
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| 01:16.32 | Vasistha | jhutchins: booted lenny into 2.6.32. There, the default mount was able to mount the corrupt ntfs volume, but mount -t ntfs-3g gave the same error as squeeze. So 2.6.32 + ntfs-3g is the problem. So the question remaining is, how to force squeeze to mount ntfs without using ntfs-3g? |
| 01:16.50 | Delf | How do I make a "terminal" script? That does aptitude update && aptitude upgrade? |
| 01:17.09 | Vasistha | Delf: you don't want to type aptitude update && aptitude upgrade? |
| 01:17.09 | Delf | very simple batch script..? |
| 01:17.12 | StyXman | tharkun: as xk says, apt-get -de upgrade is 'incremental'. it starts downloading were it left, so you can issue this command several times untill all packages-to-be-upgraded are downloaded |
| 01:17.22 | daemonkeeper | echo "aptitude update\naptitude upgrade" > terminal; chmod a+x terminal; ./terminal |
| 01:17.25 | StyXman | then youcan do a normal apt-get upgrade and that's it |
| 01:17.37 | Vasistha | daemonkeeper: dude, that's mean :) |
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| 01:17.41 | Delf | Vasistha: I want it to type whatever I've typed in it. What extension should the file have? |
| 01:17.48 | StyXman | now, if apt-get upgrade takes too much, you're fried |
| 01:17.56 | Vasistha | Delf: you mean, you want to pass parameters to it? |
| 01:18.16 | Vasistha | Delf: should those parameters be passed to the update or the upgrade call? |
| 01:18.22 | Delf | Vasistha: No, but in some cases, yes. |
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| 01:18.36 | daemonkeeper | Vasistha: It's not. If, I would have provided a shell alias |
| 01:18.41 | StyXman | daemonkeeper: it's 'echo -e [...]' |
| 01:18.46 | Delf | Vasistha: No, not yet at least. |
| 01:18.47 | tharkun | StyXman: well since the longest configuration time for a package i've seen is openoffice.org and this particular server has non of that i think i am on a safe place :-D |
| 01:19.16 | StyXman | tharkun: the upgade itself can take more than 5 mins |
| 01:19.20 | daemonkeeper | StyXman: Oh, too much used to zsh. |
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| 01:19.33 | StyXman | daemonkeeper: didn't know :) |
| 01:19.36 | daemonkeeper | StyXman: For bash, yes, echo -e |
| 01:19.42 | Vasistha | Delf: typically, shell scripts have an initial line "#!/bin/bash". You can give them a .bash extension, or no extension at all. Some people give them a rather misleading .sh extension, which is considered by many to be a bad practice |
| 01:20.51 | tharkun | StyXman: i can't find the -e option was it a typo? |
| 01:20.59 | daemonkeeper | tharkun: No |
| 01:21.04 | Delf | Vasistha: I see. So, I have to have "#!/bin/bash" in the first line of the test.bash file? |
| 01:21.09 | daemonkeeper | tharkun: -e interpolates shell escapes (for bash) |
| 01:21.17 | Vasistha | Delf: you ought to, yes |
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| 01:21.25 | daemonkeeper | tharkun: compare echo "a\nb" with echo -e "a\nb" |
| 01:21.28 | Vasistha | Delf: erm, without the quotes, you know. |
| 01:21.43 | Vasistha | or echo '\a' |
| 01:21.54 | Delf | Vasistha: Ought to? Not familiar with that word. Indeed @ Without the quotes :) |
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| 01:22.10 | Vasistha | Delf: "ought to" = "should" |
| 01:22.11 | StyXman | tharkun: yes it was. I meant -d |
| 01:22.28 | tharkun | ok |
| 01:22.38 | StyXman | daemonkeeper: you're mixing conversations :-| |
| 01:22.50 | Delf | Vasistha: I see. You are divine! |
| 01:22.53 | daemonkeeper | Obviously, I'm sorry |
| 01:22.55 | tharkun | daemonkeeper: sorry i tried both your echo statements and both outputed the same |
| 01:23.14 | Vasistha | Delf: you can get more help in #bash but they can be kinda ... what's the word ... short-tempered in there |
| 01:23.18 | daemonkeeper | tharkun: Depends on your shell as said, for my zsh this is equivalent for both as well |
| 01:23.40 | Delf | Vasistha: Thanks, I'll look at it now. |
| 01:23.41 | tharkun | daemonkeeper: sorry i forgot i have also zsh on this machine |
| 01:23.48 | Vasistha | Delf: although you're not really doing anything at this point that warrants #bash questions |
| 01:24.38 | daemonkeeper | tharkun: Yeah, zsh won't care. |
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| 01:26.12 | StyXman | tharkun: just curious: you have a 5 min window even as root or equivalent? what kind of server is that? |
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| 01:27.59 | Delf | Vasistha: Indeed, not yet. I've been fooling around a little bit with "Windows batch script" slightly. |
| 01:28.01 | xk | how do I set to preferred version of autoconf to be used? |
| 01:28.09 | xk | Autoconf 2.50 chosen by Debian wrapper script. |
| 01:29.25 | StyXman | xk: if diversions are not set up, then you should call it specifically: 'autconf2.4 blah'? |
| 01:29.58 | xk | it's not diversion... apparently "autoconf" is a wrapper script thta automatically decides which version to use based on configure.in or configure.ac |
| 01:30.42 | xk | sigh |
| 01:30.42 | Vasistha | jhutchins: ah, I got it! ntfsmount can do it. |
| 01:30.52 | xk | piece of crap |
| 01:30.59 | StyXman | xk: auto* it's a mess anyways :| |
| 01:31.09 | xk | this auto shit is not auto enough |
| 01:31.09 | Vasistha | huh. ntfs-3g can mount 1 partition, and ntfsmount can mount the other partition, but neither can mount both ... except lenny :P |
| 01:31.26 | xk | I want to forcefully use 2.13 |
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| 01:32.29 | StyXman | xk: edit? |
| 01:32.31 | xk | I'll just do a dodgey - replace the wrapper scripts :) |
| 01:32.38 | xk | StyXman: patches dont apply :) |
| 01:32.55 | Vasistha | Delf: windows batch files ... shudder ... the main problem is that most configuration files in windows are not text files, and most commands are not accessible via CLI routines, so what one can do on the command line, with scripts or without, is severely limited. I guess they've made some effort to introduce some of that stuff, but it's kludgy. I'm so glad I never have to use it! |
| 01:33.25 | StyXman | Vasistha: amen |
| 01:34.37 | Delf | Vasistha: I'm a simple man, sometimes at least :D. |
| 01:36.09 | xk | welp.. same thing happens. |
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| 01:40.02 | rubin110 | I would like to get a mail server setup for incoming/outgoing mail to the internet and IMAP pickup. Is there a nice little site that ahas a list of rational reasons why to go with iether exim4 or postfix? |
| 01:40.46 | Bushmills | and dovecot |
| 01:40.57 | StyXman | rubin110: they're fairly equivalent, but I find postfix easier to configure |
| 01:40.58 | daemonkeeper | This is highly arbitrary |
| 01:41.14 | daemonkeeper | or courier, or sendmail |
| 01:41.20 | daemonkeeper | or roughly 20 more MTAs |
| 01:41.39 | rubin110 | StyXman: My next question would be, is there a good tutorial online and setting up all I want with a given mail server? |
| 01:41.44 | rubin110 | On a Debian box. |
| 01:41.52 | Bushmills | security track record of postfix is better, at this point |
| 01:42.03 | rubin110 | Ah. |
| 01:42.06 | rubin110 | That's +1 point. |
| 01:42.09 | karlpinc | daemonkeeper: I wouldn't say arbitrary, because there are real points of comparison. |
| 01:42.19 | StyXman | rubin110: I have some slides in spanish :| |
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| 01:42.45 | daemonkeeper | karlpinc: Well, each comparison will result in a suggestion that fits best to author's will. |
| 01:42.46 | rubin110 | No hobla Spanish. |
| 01:42.59 | karlpinc | I have always found postfix able to do anything I want to throw at it, due to it's modular nature. |
| 01:43.10 | karlpinc | daemonkeeper: True. |
| 01:43.15 | daemonkeeper | karlpinc: So do I. Yet people claim the very same for exim. |
| 01:43.35 | StyXman | rubin110: 'yo no hablo español' :-P |
| 01:43.36 | daemonkeeper | Others insist to use dovecot, and purists insist to use sendmail |
| 01:43.42 | rubin110 | Thanks. |
| 01:43.42 | rubin110 | :P |
| 01:43.42 | karlpinc | daemonkeeper: I can't speak to exim. |
| 01:43.58 | karlpinc | daemonkeeper: Dovecot is a not a mta, at least not last I looked. |
| 01:44.46 | Bushmills | it can take over the IMAP (and/or POP3, if needed) part |
| 01:45.22 | daemonkeeper | karlpinc: True. Messed up |
| 01:45.45 | StyXman | sendmail's .cf file is a nightmare |
| 01:46.40 | daemonkeeper | StyXman: Every good system administrator needs to configure sendmail at least once, a real good one won't do it a second time |
| 01:46.51 | karlpinc | Bushmills: MTAs don't do IMAP etc. You always need a separate component. |
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| 01:47.35 | karlpinc | daemonkeeper: True, but only because sendmail.cf is a turing complete production system and that's always interesting to program in. |
| 01:47.36 | Bushmills | i was referring to dovecot, not the postfix/exim |
| 01:47.41 | StyXman | daemonkeeper: if the option names were any reasonable, I would concurr with the premise |
| 01:47.52 | karlpinc | Bushmills: I think we violently agree. |
| 01:48.22 | daemonkeeper | karlpinc: heh, so is postscript. Doesn't mean you really want to use it. |
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| 01:48.43 | StyXman | karlpinc: you're thinking of the m4 input files that produce the actual .cf file |
| 01:48.50 | StyXman | you're cheating there, so to speak |
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| 01:52.28 | StyXman | k, bedtime, bailing out |
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| 01:54.07 | karlpinc | No, I'm thinking of the config file itself. M4 is more limited, because it does not deal with symbols only text. |
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| 02:15.05 | dvs | heh |
| 02:15.12 | dvs | get out farve |
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| 02:22.01 | kj4 | when is squeeze getting squeezed out? |
| 02:22.13 | Pumba | when it's done |
| 02:22.19 | kj4 | thanks |
| 02:22.42 | pipeline | that is the actual answer |
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| 02:22.46 | pipeline | they don't set timelines on these things |
| 02:22.50 | pipeline | Pumba was not being facetious |
| 02:24.03 | Pumba | welcome :) |
| 02:24.16 | Pumba | always happy to help when I'm done with work =) |
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| 02:28.28 | mikedep333 | hey guys, I just wanted to say, that as someone who has used ubuntu for the last 5 years or so, I am very impressed by squeeze's capabilities as a desktop OS |
| 02:28.35 | mikedep333 | I ran the squeeze hyrbrid rc1 iso |
| 02:28.44 | access_d | kj4: a planned date is in the topic, though. granted, planned dates are never definite. the release candidate works great here though (in virtualbox on gentoo.. probably going to put the final release on my other box when it is official). |
| 02:28.59 | mikedep333 | well, technically I used unetbootin on windows to put the hybrid on a fast USB key I have |
| 02:29.09 | mikedep333 | and on 1 of my systems at least, it work overall well |
| 02:29.24 | mikedep333 | I like having a good selection of software pre-installed |
| 02:29.34 | mikedep333 | ubuntu's 700MB CD limit is a drawback IMHO |
| 02:30.19 | mikedep333 | AFAIK: They are aiming to release squeeze on the weekdn of feb 5th to 6th |
| 02:30.21 | mikedep333 | http://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/2011012001035NWDBRL |
| 02:30.28 | mikedep333 | assuming no blocker bugs come up |
| 02:30.42 | mikedep333 | *weekend |
| 02:30.53 | mikedep333 | a date that you are aiming for is not a set in stone release date |
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| 02:31.15 | Pumba | 700MB is the general limit for data on CDs on the market these days, I don't see much of a drawback there... |
| 02:31.36 | mikedep333 | Pumba, although being able to put your distro on a CD is nice, it seriously limits how much software you can include on it |
| 02:31.50 | mikedep333 | squeeze rc1 hybrid is 1.0 o 1.1 GB I think for GNOME |
| 02:32.11 | mikedep333 | eg, ubuntu recently removed aptitude! |
| 02:32.34 | access_d | i like the <200mb netinstall cds. start with a base install, and install what you want from there. |
| 02:32.35 | mikedep333 | so now people are just using apt-get |
| 02:33.01 | mikedep333 | access_d, yeah., I like ubuntu's mini netinstall CD's, just like debian's 50MB businesscard CD |
| 02:33.16 | mikedep333 | that way no outdated package is ever installed |
| 02:33.23 | mikedep333 | it only installs the latest packages from the repos |
| 02:35.41 | Pumba | mikedep333: that's what smart package selection by the distro maintainers is for ... and 10-CD-distro releases |
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| 02:43.16 | mikedep333 | Pumba, I don't want 7GB of software, I want a reasonable amount that is installed by default |
| 02:43.32 | mikedep333 | Pumba, in my opinion, the debian amaintainers did a very smart selection |
| 02:43.34 | mikedep333 | Remmina |
| 02:43.36 | mikedep333 | simple scan |
| 02:43.37 | mikedep333 | etc |
| 02:43.54 | mikedep333 | I was very surprised to see software center & simple scan by canonical/ubuntu show up |
| 02:44.34 | jordanm | jak did a good job of pulling out the canonical stuff from software-center before the squeeze release |
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| 02:44.57 | jordanm | I was upset by that at first myself, but mostly because the documentation that it was distributing differed from debian idiology |
| 02:45.45 | mikedep333 | jordan gotcha |
| 02:46.01 | mikedep333 | consistency is important |
| 02:46.19 | mikedep333 | that's a tenant of UNIX |
| 02:47.39 | jordanm | Gnu is Not Unix :) |
| 02:47.56 | mikedep333 | I was however surprised because based on my experiences and a discussion with lubuntu devs (LXDE ubuntu), software-center uses A LOT of memory often |
| 02:48.20 | mikedep333 | I was very glad to see debian hybrid isos with LXDE |
| 02:48.27 | jordanm | mikedep333: even though it is a part of gnome in debian, it is still your choice on whether or not you want to install it |
| 02:48.29 | mikedep333 | I want to breathe new life into old machines |
| 02:48.56 | jordanm | mikedep333: that has always been possible. even with netinst. desktop=lxde boot arguement to d-i |
| 02:48.58 | Pumba | mikedep333: I'm perfectly happy with what I got, and as I am lucky enough to have access to broadband connections, I wouldn't have minded anyway |
| 02:49.02 | mikedep333 | jordanm, yes, absolutely. However, I reinstall linux so often that I like a fairly large selection installed by default |
| 02:49.13 | jordanm | never reinstalls |
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| 02:50.04 | mikedep333 | jordanm, also, one big problem with Ubuntu when I was at Penn State was that people needed VPNC to connect to the wireless, but that was only available in universe. So out of the box people couldn't use wireless. |
| 02:50.29 | mikedep333 | Pumba, yeah. I need to start using package lists. |
| 02:50.41 | mikedep333 | to make installing my recommended software go really quickly |
| 02:51.27 | Pumba | that would be a nice thing... |
| 02:51.35 | jordanm | mikedep333: many with debian need the non-free firmware, from the non-free repositoires. although, that is an ideolgy decsion not a design choice |
| 02:51.38 | mikedep333 | lately I've just been doing this |
| 02:51.39 | mikedep333 | https://docs.google.com/View?id=dcznzv55_19g2t9k5xb |
| 02:51.49 | mikedep333 | Jordanm, yeah. |
| 02:51.51 | Pumba | ...I usually set up a system that's no problems for a year but then I start playing and suddenly it's all messed up |
| 02:51.58 | mikedep333 | do the hybrid ISO's include non-free firmware? |
| 02:52.06 | mikedep333 | I bet not |
| 02:52.25 | mikedep333 | the system that my hybrid iso ran on I believe required no non-free firmware |
| 02:52.31 | jordanm | mikedep333: the kmuto installer does |
| 02:52.39 | mikedep333 | let me google it |
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| 02:53.21 | mikedep333 | http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 02:54.24 | mikedep333 | yeah, so he makes di (the ncurses debian installer I believe) images with latest hardware support, including non-free firmware? |
| 02:54.37 | mikedep333 | but not for squeeze (yet) |
| 02:54.46 | mikedep333 | I intend to try out linux mint rolling/debian soon |
| 02:54.52 | mikedep333 | largely for that support |
| 02:55.02 | mikedep333 | I was also thinking |
| 02:55.24 | mikedep333 | with di squeeze on a USB key (using unetbootin), I should be able to just extract the non-free firmware to that USB key as well |
| 02:56.01 | mikedep333 | it looks like di does work with the media being on USB. In the past at least, I noticed the di (or ubunhtu alternate installer) failing to find the media on USB keys. I would have to do a netinstall. |
| 02:56.53 | mikedep333 | is there a good list of debian spins (or whatever they're called) somewhere? |
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| 03:08.43 | project2501a | um, if i wanted to post a reward, say USD$5k for someone to fork launchpad and incorporate native git and hg support, instead of bridging which has now, where should I do it? and how should i put the money in escrow? |
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| 03:11.14 | eggsby | Hey, could anyone point me in the right direction for making a bootable usb drive? |
| 03:11.31 | project2501a | eggsby: debian wiki |
| 03:11.40 | project2501a | eggsby: let me see if i can find the url for you |
| 03:11.53 | eggsby | a lot of it seems to be outdated |
| 03:12.11 | project2501a | http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb |
| 03:12.28 | project2501a | http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian |
| 03:12.43 | project2501a | http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=debian+wiki+usb+boot&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
| 03:12.45 | eggsby | thank you, i'll try to do some deeper research |
| 03:12.52 | project2501a | it is quite on point, actually |
| 03:13.07 | eggsby | It was a lot easier for fedora, just downloaded an app, loaded up the iso and it wrote it all for me :p |
| 03:13.26 | project2501a | things in booting/installing from usb has not changed in 5-6 years now |
| 03:13.40 | project2501a | yeah, that app does make things easier |
| 03:13.53 | eggsby | no similar thing compatible with debian? |
| 03:14.09 | project2501a | i would not know. i dislike apps like that |
| 03:14.14 | eggsby | :p fair enough |
| 03:14.18 | eggsby | alright, well thanks for the links :) |
| 03:14.25 | project2501a | i do not like it because it is hiding what is happening during the installation |
| 03:14.27 | project2501a | no problem |
| 03:14.30 | project2501a | keep away from ubuntu |
| 03:14.36 | eggsby | was my first linux experience |
| 03:14.42 | project2501a | ubuntu? |
| 03:14.45 | eggsby | yup |
| 03:14.58 | project2501a | ok, fair enough. mind if i ask, why did you move away from ubuntu? |
| 03:15.04 | eggsby | decided to switch when I did a routine update and it broke my display drivers |
| 03:15.08 | eggsby | also insanely outdated repos |
| 03:15.16 | eggsby | too much NIH as well |
| 03:15.16 | project2501a | ubuntu? |
| 03:15.20 | project2501a | NIH? |
| 03:15.21 | mikedep333 | eggsby, are you on windows? |
| 03:15.26 | eggsby | I'm on fedora atm |
| 03:15.30 | mikedep333 | hmm |
| 03:15.37 | mikedep333 | unetbootin's linux version may suffice |
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| 03:15.49 | eggsby | project2501a: ubuntu has a lot of stuff that they bundle in or remake just for ubuntu |
| 03:15.55 | mikedep333 | I've only used unetbootin on windows recently |
| 03:15.58 | project2501a | yeah. i would much rather gouge my eyes out thatn use unetbootin |
| 03:16.11 | project2501a | ah, not invented here. |
| 03:16.16 | mikedep333 | my net connection is suddenly behaving terribly for some reason |
| 03:16.23 | project2501a | stop downloading porn |
| 03:16.49 | eggsby | I think I will try unetbootin first, might be better for a nubbin like me |
| 03:17.34 | mikedep333 | project25011a it works amazing on windows |
| 03:17.34 | mikedep333 | what's so bad about it on linux? |
| 03:17.34 | mikedep333 | I think I may be missing messages because of my internet connection |
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| 03:18.38 | project2501a | mikedep333: i do not like it because it hides the machine underneath it: it makes a magic trick and boom, what you needed works. which deprives you from the chance to learn something about mkfs, initramfs tools or grub |
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| 03:19.22 | mikedep333 | ok, I think mt connection is working now |
| 03:19.31 | mikedep333 | it may have been my pogoplug windows software uploading stuff |
| 03:19.48 | project2501a | instead of allowing you to scratch your itch and have you trouble yourself a bit to figure out how to put everything together to make what you want, it doesn't let you scratch |
| 03:19.54 | project2501a | it's like an overbearing jewish/greek mother |
| 03:20.04 | project2501a | child-poofing everything |
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| 03:23.22 | mikedep333 | project2501a I understand your concern. I think I thought the same about the ubuntu windows installer (wubi), but then I discovered that the CLI switches let you do some more advanced stuff |
| 03:23.55 | project2501a | mikedep333: hence my major beef with ubuntards |
| 03:24.02 | project2501a | and the ubuntu retardi |
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| 03:24.28 | eggsby | mm, as a noob I'd say you have to learn at your own pace |
| 03:24.47 | project2501a | oh, def |
| 03:25.07 | project2501a | no doubt about that. i mean i have been doing unix for um 22 years now? |
| 03:25.08 | mikedep333 | project2501a you raise a valid point, however I know many people like myself who wanted automatically configured defaults, so that they can then explore the inner-workings later. |
| 03:25.09 | project2501a | i still suck |
| 03:25.13 | eggsby | Sometimes posix can be overwhelming coming from years and years of windows |
| 03:25.19 | project2501a | mikedep333: apt-get :P |
| 03:25.31 | mikedep333 | project2501a aptitude :P |
| 03:25.39 | project2501a | eggsby: no doubt about that. i mean i have been doing unix for um 22 years now? |
| 03:25.44 | eggsby | :p |
| 03:25.49 | project2501a | i still suck. but i like to read and i like to tinker |
| 03:25.55 | eggsby | I've been alive for 22 years, heh |
| 03:25.59 | project2501a | ubuntu does not want me to look under the cover |
| 03:26.14 | project2501a | mikedep333: learn to love the commmand line :P |
| 03:26.40 | eggsby | at least I've learned to live in the cli :p |
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| 03:31.54 | project2501a | eggsby: have you read "in the beginning was the command line"? |
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| 03:32.17 | project2501a | http://www.cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html |
| 03:32.20 | project2501a | mandatory reading |
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| 04:23.33 | faoiseamh | how do i setup permissions for a folder such that multiple users can read/write to it its subdirectories |
| 04:23.58 | faoiseamh | i realize this should be easy to search for but i was having trouble finding it |
| 04:24.11 | faoiseamh | i've tried messing around with groups but i couldn't get it working properly |
| 04:24.37 | DanDare | well, impressive culture |
| 04:24.56 | DanDare | looks like CentOS users almost hate Debian |
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| 04:43.23 | Sary | What could be a preferable response to this http://paste.debian.net/105902/ |
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| 04:53.51 | DanDare | Sary, i would respond: If Ubuntu fits your needs just use Ubuntu |
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| 04:54.08 | Sicelo | hi all... |
| 04:55.27 | Sicelo | in Icedove 2.0.0.22, how do i set attachments to not be automatically downloaded? |
| 04:57.20 | Sicelo | i am using Gmail |
| 04:57.26 | Sicelo | IMAP inbox |
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| 05:00.05 | Sary | DanDare, I appreciate :) , what about the other part of it? |
| 05:01.37 | DanDare | Sary, what other part? :p |
| 05:01.45 | DanDare | ah ok |
| 05:02.12 | DanDare | Well, i would respond so: "If you never tried Debian how can you say its easy or hard?" |
| 05:03.09 | DanDare | Or in a more polite way "No, its not any hard I think you should try it" |
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| 05:07.46 | Sary | DanDare, Ok that's kind enough , but still you missed the important part .. |
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| 05:08.57 | DanDare | Sary, wich one ? |
| 05:09.21 | eggsby | hey guys... I'm having trouble with apt-get. Everything I try is saying it has no installation candidate, what might I be doing wrong? |
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| 05:10.04 | eggsby | here's a copy of my sources.list: http://pastie.org/1504857 |
| 05:10.09 | Sary | hi Sicelo , i haven't tried Icedove yet , but shouldn't there be a "Preference - Settings " or something. |
| 05:10.49 | Sary | DanDare, the "ubuntu customization kit for |
| 05:10.49 | Sary | remastering or launchpad to host .deb packages " part. |
| 05:11.05 | Sicelo | Sary, actually there is. But it allows you to choose where attachments are saved, not whether they are downloaded or not |
| 05:11.16 | DanDare | Sary, i have no idea whats "ubuntu customization kit" |
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| 05:13.11 | Sary | DanDare, http://uck.sourceforge.net/ |
| 05:13.13 | eggsby | any ideas? |
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| 05:13.55 | DanDare | Sary, ok thanks... Have no clue how to respond to that |
| 05:14.07 | Sary | Sicelo, that's really odd for attachments to be automatically downloaded. |
| 05:14.59 | Sicelo | Sary: mind if i ask what email client you use? |
| 05:15.33 | Sary | Sicelo, Evolution. |
| 05:17.04 | Sicelo | ok. thanks. I'll probably have to change from Icedove :-/ |
| 05:18.09 | Sary | DanDare, Thanks for responds , i'll respond to him for those parts. :D |
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| 05:21.04 | Sicelo | thanks Sary, I have to go now :( |
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| 05:21.23 | Sary | Sicelo, you're most welcome :) |
| 05:21.37 | Sary | catch ya |
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| 05:22.46 | Sary | DanDare, curious what's this all about! |
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| 05:23.29 | DanDare | Sary, agree :) |
| 05:24.20 | Sary | convince my project to based the system on Debian instead of Ubuntu. |
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| 05:25.14 | polatov | hi guys |
| 05:25.36 | Sary | So ,that was a reply to my requisition about this move from the Project Administrator.:) |
| 05:25.54 | Sary | hi polatov |
| 05:26.05 | JairunCaloth | Hrm... so I added 127.0.0.1:8081 mysite to /etc/hosts |
| 05:26.13 | polatov | i've usb sound blaster, with in and out channels, how i can find that in /dev ??? |
| 05:26.28 | JairunCaloth | yet when I go to "mysite" in my browser, it doesn't work |
| 05:26.34 | JairunCaloth | I seem to be doing it wrong |
| 05:26.40 | polatov | i need find in channel |
| 05:27.09 | JairunCaloth | does /etc/hosts not support connecting to a specific port? |
| 05:28.13 | JairunCaloth | or am I just doing it wrong |
| 05:28.52 | BLOB0 | man hosts |
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| 05:32.56 | JairunCaloth | so considering the man page for hosts mentions nothing of port numbers I'm only left to belive that it doesn't support them |
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| 05:35.18 | JairunCaloth | I was kinda hoping someone here might say, yeah it does you're just doing it wrong, or nope you're correct it doesn't support them. RTFM is a rather useless answer when the question isn't addressed there. |
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| 05:45.19 | Sicelo | JairunCaloth: well, I'm no hosts expert, but according to http://www.unix.com/unix-advanced-expert-users/6637-can-you-specify-ports-etc-hosts.html , you have come to the correct conclusion |
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| 05:48.29 | Sary | polatov, Using a USB Headset or External USB Sound Cards ? |
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| 05:49.11 | polatov | i think headset |
| 05:49.23 | polatov | creative play |
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| 06:06.11 | DanDare | Sary,... hmmm. Debian more reliable can be an argument ? |
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| 06:06.56 | DanDare | Sary, Debian better for critical apliances considering Debian policy ? |
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| 06:07.10 | DanDare | *appliances |
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| 06:28.29 | totesmuhgoats | hey guys |
| 06:28.35 | Sary | DanDare, I'm not sure who could argue about Debian being such a reliable system .. as for the 'critical appliances' should that be a Debian problem ? |
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| 06:29.08 | totesmuhgoats | just out of curiosity. i was wondering what debian distro you guys tend to use on your home desktops (if any) |
| 06:29.33 | Sary | I mean , Debian policy is clear , and that's makes it the most pure GNU/Linux distro. |
| 06:30.20 | DanDare | Sary, its not a Debian problem.... I mean,, someone wouldnt die because of some Debian bug |
| 06:30.47 | Sary | Hello totesmuhgoats .. for me , i use Debian/Squeeze. :) |
| 06:30.48 | DanDare | Its just a more realiable OS.. but this is only my oppinion |
| 06:32.11 | Sary | DanDare, exactly me point. :) |
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| 06:32.27 | DanDare | Sary, its not easy to argue really? :) |
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| 06:34.21 | totesmuhgoats | Sary: yea squeeze seems to be quite popular |
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| 06:37.52 | Sary | DanDare, :) , |
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| 06:39.16 | Sary | totesmuhgoats, Squeeze is the next major Debian release after lenny. |
| 06:39.38 | Sorinan | My default mirror is now offering IPv6 support, but my network does not. The APT is trying to reach this mirror trought IPv6, what's impossible. How can I disable IPv6 on APT? |
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| 06:49.00 | Arrowmaster | Sorinan: afaik that shouldnt happen if you dont have an IPv6 address, check ifconfig and see if youve got an ipv6 address (if it says Scope:Link at the end of the line you can ignore that address) |
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| 06:49.44 | Sorinan | Arrowmaster, apparently yes, I do have one |
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| 06:50.05 | Arrowmaster | whats the scope on it? |
| 06:50.33 | Sorinan | Arrowmaster, Scope:Link |
| 06:50.41 | Sorinan | that's it? |
| 06:51.11 | Arrowmaster | thats a local address only, ive got one too |
| 06:51.45 | Sorinan | Arrowmaster, there should be a way to remove this address on ifconfig, isn't? |
| 06:52.11 | Arrowmaster | i dont have ivp6 any other ipv6 address yet updating works fine for me and i looked around and it seems security.debian.org has ipv6 |
| 06:52.49 | Arrowmaster | wow reading over that im not sure what i was trying to write at the beginning there |
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| 06:53.38 | Sorinan | Arrowmaster, it's strange, it was working some hours ago.... |
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| 06:55.02 | Arrowmaster | i just did an aptitude update without any problems after checking that i am using security.debian.org |
| 06:55.44 | Arrowmaster | so if the only ipv6 address you have is a 'Scope:Line' address then it shouldnt have any problems |
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| 06:58.54 | geegeegee | I want to jail a user in SSH to their home directory, what is the best way to do it? |
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| 06:59.48 | Arrowmaster | geegeegee: never attempted it but i think i saw a pam module designed to do it |
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| 07:01.01 | Arrowmaster | geegeegee: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pam-chroot/ or libpam-chroot in debian |
| 07:01.10 | geegeegee | :D thanks |
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| 07:49.37 | SPF | geegeegee: you can change the shell with usermod |
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| 08:01.20 | geegeegee | SPF, I want them to still be logged in, but not be able to enter commands. I made a bash script with a while loop, but it uses 100% CPU while they are logged in. |
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| 08:04.43 | geegeegee | :| |
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| 08:06.18 | SPF | geegeegee: maybe you should make a honeypot |
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| 08:06.48 | geegeegee | ? |
| 08:07.18 | geegeegee | I need to do it because I have friends that use my VPS for SSH tunneling while in college. I dont want them using it for anythign else. |
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| 08:08.32 | StuckMojo | so...with squeeze coming this weekend, does that mean it's already in the repos? |
| 08:09.00 | StuckMojo | i.e. could i do an in place upgrade and get an alpha version, then have less to download when it goes official? |
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| 08:09.02 | dondelelcaro | geegeegee: use rssh or similar |
| 08:09.21 | sidRo | will be have we 2.6.37 kernel in testing? |
| 08:09.39 | dondelelcaro | geegeegee: alternatively, set the shell to something which just sleeps in a loop |
| 08:10.13 | SPF | geegeegee: http://fixunix.com/ssh/73373-using-putty-tunnel-nologin-account.html |
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| 08:11.56 | sidRo | We will have 2.6.37 kernel in testing? |
| 08:12.21 | dondelelcaro | sidRo: in wheezy, probably |
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| 08:14.11 | simonrvn | !squeeze release notes |
| 08:14.11 | dpkg | A draft of the squeeze release notes can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes and will be periodically updated as the release notes are finalised. See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze . Also ask me about <i-g>, <install squeeze>, <firmware images>. |
| 08:14.24 | simonrvn | StuckMojo: ^^ |
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| 08:15.04 | StuckMojo | simonrvn: thanks |
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| 08:39.30 | ChrisW1 | hi all, how can I change the timezone a debian server thinks its in? |
| 08:40.36 | StuckMojo | /etc/timezone i think |
| 08:40.46 | ChrisW1 | tzselect :-) |
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| 08:41.30 | StuckMojo | that doesn't change it, just displays it |
| 08:41.33 | Hydroxide | StuckMojo: in case he comes back, the actual answer (at least on lenny and later) is dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
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| 08:41.47 | Hydroxide | I think sufficiently old versions (def. sarge, maybe etch) used tzconfig |
| 08:41.55 | StuckMojo | Hydroxide: ah |
| 08:42.06 | StuckMojo | what happens if you just change /etc/timezone and reboot? |
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| 08:43.27 | StuckMojo | ha! if he had just read the man page |
| 08:43.30 | Hydroxide | StuckMojo: honestly I don't know what that file is used for. it's possible that is where the tzdata package stores the current value, but either way the command I gave will give a menu-based way to select the new timezone so you won't end up with an invalid one |
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| 08:43.34 | Hydroxide | yeah :) |
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| 08:44.01 | StuckMojo | hmmm. |
| 08:44.20 | StuckMojo | well, the script that dpkg-reconfigure calls for tzselect should be under /var somewhere right? |
| 08:44.27 | StuckMojo | goes poking around... |
| 08:44.29 | neoice | anyone know whats the least amount of packages I need to install to render latex .tex to .pdf? |
| 08:44.54 | Hydroxide | StuckMojo: I just checked /var/lib/dpkg/info/tzdata.config which is what dpkg-reconfigure tzdata runs. apparently, yes, /etc/timezone is where it stores it |
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| 08:45.53 | Hydroxide | StuckMojo: not literally - it actually stores things in a couple of debconf database entries, similar to any debian package debconf script. but it has logic to effectively make it stored in /etc/timezone |
| 08:45.58 | StuckMojo | Hydroxide: woot! score one for locate timezone | grep -v -e postgresql -e pgsql -e /mnt -e /home |
| 08:46.06 | Hydroxide | :) |
| 08:46.24 | Hydroxide | StuckMojo: people might be surprised by making a typo in a hand-edit of /etc/timezone and getting something unexpected (probably UTC) |
| 08:46.41 | Hydroxide | StuckMojo: which won't happen with the documented way. but, yeah, multiple ways ftw :) |
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| 08:47.19 | StuckMojo | hehehe |
| 08:47.34 | StuckMojo | linux is so friendly and hand-holdy now |
| 08:47.44 | Hydroxide | StuckMojo: both are just as automatable, btw, being debconf |
| 08:47.56 | StuckMojo | not like the old days where they just handed you some hot metal and a box of bits |
| 08:48.13 | Hydroxide | yeah ... debian is good at providing hand-holdy but without removing ultimate control from the sysadmin, and still being pretty good at letting manual methods mostly work |
| 08:48.15 | StuckMojo | "don't cut yourself, kid" |
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| 08:48.27 | ChrisW1 | grr, didn't work |
| 08:48.28 | Hydroxide | some distros still do that - I think slackware is more along those lines |
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| 08:48.35 | Hydroxide | ChrisW1: yeah, you logged off pretty quick :) |
| 08:48.42 | StuckMojo | i'll be drummed out of here as a blasphemer, but for the desktop i like ubuntu these days |
| 08:48.43 | ChrisW1 | thought I had the solution :-S |
| 08:48.44 | yagoo | . |
| 08:48.50 | Hydroxide | ChrisW1: did you read the man page of tzselect? it points you to dpkg-reconfigure tzdata, which is the documented way |
| 08:48.53 | StuckMojo | just because it's fresher |
| 08:48.54 | ChrisW1 | changing /etc/timezone and rebooting didn't help either... |
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| 08:49.02 | StuckMojo | i got sick of wrestling with Sid |
| 08:49.04 | ChrisW1 | ah, cool :-) |
| 08:49.13 | Hydroxide | interesting, I thought StuckMojo's answer would work too, but at least the documented way definitely does |
| 08:49.34 | Hydroxide | StuckMojo: well, squeeze is about to be released the weekend after next, and it's a great mix of fresh and solid-working-stable |
| 08:49.37 | StuckMojo | ChrisW1: maybe you didn't put a valid timezone in there |
| 08:49.52 | StuckMojo | Hydroxide: oh i still run deb on my servers |
| 08:49.53 | Hydroxide | StuckMojo: it was frozen last August so it's not that old |
| 08:50.06 | StuckMojo | Hydroxide: i'm drooling for squeeze |
| 08:50.29 | ChrisW1 | StuckMojo: I did, but dpkg-reconfigure tzdata did the trick, thanks! |
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| 08:50.41 | StuckMojo | i run deb on servers because it's greatest strength is it's greatest weakness... |
| 08:50.44 | StuckMojo | it's static |
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| 08:51.11 | Hydroxide | StuckMojo: squeeze is great :) I'd definitely recommend it for any system for which the lack of security support for the next ~9 days is not a problem |
| 08:51.15 | StuckMojo | you only have to do the patch dance now and then, and by the time upgrades come around, you've forgotten how |
| 08:51.37 | StuckMojo | christ, i still have a woody box up |
| 08:51.46 | StuckMojo | home router/nat on a 486 |
| 08:51.50 | Hydroxide | StuckMojo: if you're upgrading a system from lenny to squeeze, just like any other debian major release, I strongly recommend following the upgrade instructions in the release notes, rather than just using apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade or whatever |
| 08:52.11 | Hydroxide | StuckMojo: that's true for any debian version, and will avoid gotchas like udev or kernel weirdness that lots of other distros just ignore and accept the breakage. (*glares at ubuntu*) |
| 08:52.22 | StuckMojo | oh? it's already got some stuff from (or similar to) squeeze via backports |
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| 08:52.43 | StuckMojo | Hydroxide: yeah ubuntu doesn't have a good track record for in-place upgrades |
| 08:52.55 | StuckMojo | although on my desktop it's been fine over the last two |
| 08:52.58 | Hydroxide | StuckMojo: hey, the woody 486 should upgrade pretty far :) though I don't think squeeze still supports that. I forget about lenny. |
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| 08:53.26 | StuckMojo | meh, no need. it literally runs nothing. ssh, iptables, and freeswan |
| 08:53.28 | Hydroxide | StuckMojo: oh, never mind, I just realized checking kernel images on my amd64 machine is not the best way to test that |
| 08:53.32 | Hydroxide | StuckMojo: it's probably still supported :) |
| 08:53.50 | Hydroxide | StuckMojo: if it is, you should upgrade, because it's probably highly exploitable now :) |
| 08:53.54 | StuckMojo | i found debian-archives last year, that made me happy |
| 08:54.00 | StuckMojo | cus it was out of date woody even ;) |
| 08:54.01 | Hydroxide | yeah, we keep lots of old releases available |
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| 08:54.31 | StuckMojo | i'm more likely to do away with the ipsec and just replace it with a home router |
| 08:54.48 | StuckMojo | it's problematic now that i'm halfway across the country from it |
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| 08:54.51 | Hydroxide | StuckMojo: as for backports, the upgrade instructions in the release notes include how to handle that, at least assuming you mean the official backports.org / backports.debian.org |
| 08:54.58 | StuckMojo | yes |
| 08:55.06 | StuckMojo | so i'm already on 2.6.32 |
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| 08:55.28 | StuckMojo | i also have bind, postgres 8.4, and git from it |
| 08:55.30 | Hydroxide | StuckMojo: yeah. really, try the release notes before assuming that it's not compatible with your setup ... and if they missed something, file a bug :) |
| 08:55.34 | StuckMojo | maybe apache, not sure |
| 08:55.45 | StuckMojo | oh i expect it is |
| 08:55.46 | Hydroxide | StuckMojo: they can be improved, potentially before the release but almost certainly for a point release :) |
| 08:55.59 | StuckMojo | i've got 2 boxes at the colo, and i was toying with the idea of upgrading the backup box tonight |
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| 08:56.07 | Hydroxide | cool |
| 08:56.08 | StuckMojo | but since i have to work, i'll wait till this weekend |
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| 08:56.37 | Hydroxide | on the server end most of the gotchas will relate to udev and kernel stuff, but potentially not even those if you're using enough low-level backports stuff |
| 08:56.55 | Hydroxide | again, all in the docs |
| 08:57.35 | StuckMojo | hmm..dpkg's instructions for lenny->squeeze are really pretty short |
| 08:57.56 | Hydroxide | StuckMojo: where are you looking? |
| 08:57.58 | StuckMojo | oh yeah, i have lvm2 from backports too |
| 08:58.00 | Hydroxide | StuckMojo: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes |
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| 08:58.27 | StuckMojo | i went to the backports kernel to get a later version of drbd |
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| 08:58.49 | StuckMojo | Linux ginormica 2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 |
| 08:58.59 | Hydroxide | StuckMojo: it's possible that's a condensed version of the upgrade instructions from the release notes as of when that factoid was updated. it does end that factoid by referring to the squeeze release notes :) |
| 08:59.26 | StuckMojo | hehe |
| 08:59.46 | StuckMojo | i'm not real worried. it's got a drac card in it, so i can always get myself out of trouble |
| 08:59.48 | Hydroxide | StuckMojo: it's still worth looking at the full release notes. they have a lot of precautionary bits about preparing, issues to be aware of, things that will change or are new, etc |
| 08:59.56 | Hydroxide | StuckMojo: erring on the side of overcautiousness, of course |
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| 09:00.01 | Hydroxide | and yeah, lights-out management is good |
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| 09:00.07 | StuckMojo | plus the root fs is an lvm2 volume, so i can always snapshot it |
| 09:00.24 | Hydroxide | the release notes also mention things that are new, which is awesome :) |
| 09:00.35 | StuckMojo | snap it, reboot into the snap as root, upgrade |
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| 09:00.50 | Hydroxide | StuckMojo: I think lvm2 snapshots significantly reduce write performance when they exist... not horribly certain though |
| 09:00.50 | StuckMojo | if things go south, just destory the snap and i'm back to lenny |
| 09:00.59 | StuckMojo | yeah they do |
| 09:01.04 | Hydroxide | well, as you wish |
| 09:01.07 | StuckMojo | this would be for testing |
| 09:01.10 | Hydroxide | nods |
| 09:01.13 | StuckMojo | if it works ok, i do it for real |
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| 09:01.30 | StuckMojo | these are dell pe1850s so i wouldn't expect any real issues |
| 09:01.38 | Hydroxide | StuckMojo: if you know what you're doing AND you read the release notes AND do whatever kind of testing you feel is a useful precaution, then it should be very smooth :) |
| 09:01.49 | StuckMojo | they'er older and popular and non-exotic ;) |
| 09:01.50 | Hydroxide | if some of those are missing, it'll still probably be mostly okay :) |
| 09:01.53 | Hydroxide | nods ;) |
| 09:02.18 | StuckMojo | the lenny install was supremely uneventful |
| 09:02.32 | Hydroxide | yeah, should be fine then :) |
| 09:02.37 | StuckMojo | biggest hassle was figuring out how to flash the raid and drac firmway without windows |
| 09:02.53 | StuckMojo | all good advice though, thanks |
| 09:03.02 | Hydroxide | np, good luck |
| 09:03.06 | StuckMojo | one good thing about running Sid for 5 yeahs |
| 09:03.08 | StuckMojo | years |
| 09:03.17 | StuckMojo | i'm quite used to broken debian systems ;) |
| 09:03.31 | Hydroxide | grins in familiarity |
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| 09:03.52 | StuckMojo | i had reaaaly started to accumulate cruft though |
| 09:04.38 | StuckMojo | my root partition had grown to like 17G |
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| 09:17.23 | Jimmy89 | hey guys, just a quick question about rysn |
| 09:17.27 | Jimmy89 | *rsync |
| 09:18.05 | Jimmy89 | I am wanting to use rsync to do a two way synchronize between two computers |
| 09:18.40 | Jimmy89 | Do both computers need to be running rsync in daemon mode for this to work? |
| 09:18.50 | xk | no |
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| 09:19.17 | xk | you can run it in client mode over ssh. |
| 09:20.29 | Jimmy89 | What I am planning on doing, is to have my fileserer run a cron job to rsync with a remote computer every x mins. |
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| 09:20.59 | Jimmy89 | would the remote computer need to have rsync running as daemon? |
| 09:21.04 | xk | is this write server -> read server purpose? |
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| 09:21.13 | xk | no, you can run it in client mode, on both sides. |
| 09:21.22 | Jimmy89 | hmm |
| 09:21.30 | eject_ck | how can I manage iptables for ipv6 in lenny ?\ |
| 09:21.39 | vtts | ip6tables |
| 09:21.54 | eject_ck | thankls! |
| 09:22.14 | xk | Jimmy89: I'd consider something like unison or glusterfs for file replication. |
| 09:22.48 | crilly | I'm having an issue trying to install CalendarServer. At first, it broke, complaining a dependency could not be found; it recommended the usual 'apt-get update', so I did that. Now when I try and install 'CalendarServer' after doing said update, I get this: http://pastebin.com/YY5acJyc - When I try to install the dependency, I get the same message again, but for something else to be installed, then again, then again, etc - basically, it's stuck. |
| 09:23.44 | Jimmy89 | Ok. let me explain this a bit clearer. I have two clients which I want to have an identical folder. I want to use a server in the middle to make it so the clients can update when they come online. So what I think I would need to do is do a cronjob to read of both clients, then write back any changes. Note: I will not be deleting any files if it is missing on one of them. |
| 09:23.50 | Jimmy89 | would rsync work for this purpose? |
| 09:24.35 | xk | so bidirectional update? |
| 09:24.48 | Jimmy89 | yes, with two clients and a server |
| 09:24.56 | xk | I'd say best approach is unison. |
| 09:27.34 | xk | but even then... that only works with pair of servers |
| 09:27.39 | xk | once you get 3 involved... things get interesting |
| 09:27.49 | xk | so consider glusterfs. |
| 09:28.06 | xk | only problem with glusterfs is that performance is slow. |
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| 09:28.31 | Jimmy89 | well this actually just to synchronize my fanart / thumbs folder for xbmc on my different machines |
| 09:28.32 | xk | how remote are the computers? |
| 09:28.35 | Jimmy89 | lan |
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| 09:28.57 | crilly | This is stupid. I'm trapped in an endless dependency race here. |
| 09:29.17 | xk | what OSes are all the machines involved? |
| 09:29.25 | txxt | i have Debian 4.3.5 how can i update it ? thanks in advance |
| 09:29.36 | Jimmy89 | linux, w7 and a jailbroken apple tv (ios) |
| 09:29.36 | txxt | meaning upgrade it |
| 09:29.57 | xk | you could get away with rsync'ing client->server, but dont delete if files dont exist. |
| 09:30.06 | Jimmy89 | yeh thats what I was planning |
| 09:30.08 | xk | so it only adds files. |
| 09:30.18 | Jimmy89 | basically rsync without a -delete flag |
| 09:30.18 | xk | and it needs to be done two-pass |
| 09:30.22 | Jimmy89 | yep |
| 09:30.28 | xk | client->server, then server->client |
| 09:30.36 | Jimmy89 | I was going to . Read w7, read atv, write w7, write atv |
| 09:30.48 | Jimmy89 | in a cron job |
| 09:30.58 | Jimmy89 | but I am a noob with rsync etc |
| 09:30.59 | xk | and sync based on filesize + timestamp, not checksum. |
| 09:31.00 | Jimmy89 | so no idea how to do it |
| 09:31.03 | Jimmy89 | yep |
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| 09:31.26 | xk | what you need to setup is ssh keys and ssh server on all the servers |
| 09:31.28 | xk | or machines |
| 09:31.35 | Jimmy89 | yep that is possible |
| 09:31.38 | xk | with passwordless key. |
| 09:32.14 | xk | the thing that catches most people are the path arguments for rsync. |
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| 09:32.24 | xk | a trailign slash at the end or not means something totally different. |
| 09:32.33 | xk | it will either create the final directory or not. |
| 09:32.42 | Jimmy89 | yep i learnt about the / already :p |
| 09:33.09 | Jimmy89 | do i need rsync installed on all two clients as well as the server, or just the server? |
| 09:33.34 | xk | ssh server and rsync needs to be everywhere. |
| 09:33.44 | Jimmy89 | ok thats easy |
| 09:34.02 | xk | here's something similar: http://troy.jdmz.net/rsync/index.html |
| 09:34.14 | xk | but maybe too much irrelevant info |
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| 09:34.31 | ethanol | morning people! |
| 09:34.55 | xk | so the arguments you'd need are: -a -r -v -z --dry-run (testing only) |
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| 09:35.50 | xk | maybe you can ignore -z |
| 09:36.00 | Jimmy89 | compress? |
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| 09:37.28 | Jimmy89 | ok going to install ssh and rsync on the windows box |
| 09:37.33 | ttiicc | we will soon see debian 6 as a stable version. But what I wonder if it's gonna be as stable as Debian 5 just after the release? I wonder when a server production should jump from debian 5 to 6? In windows they say after the first servicepack, what's the guideline for debian? |
| 09:37.35 | Jimmy89 | back in a min |
| 09:38.32 | crilly | I'm having an issue trying to install CalendarServer. At first, it broke, complaining a dependency could not be found; it recommended the usual 'apt-get update', so I did that. Now when I try and install 'CalendarServer' after doing said update, I get this: http://pastebin.com/YY5acJyc - When I try to install the dependency, I get the same message again, but for something else to be installed, then again, then again, etc - basically, it's stuck. |
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| 09:39.23 | xk | crilly: I usually butcher /var/lib/dpkg/status and remove the depends ;) |
| 09:39.45 | xk | if you know what you're (x needs y, but doesn't need z) then it's fairly safe to modify the depends line. |
| 09:40.45 | crilly | hmm |
| 09:40.56 | crilly | I'm not comfortable doing that. My experience with this sort of thing is limited. |
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| 09:42.01 | xk | CalendarServer is from an external source? |
| 09:42.02 | crilly | Searches are also turning up negative for 'python-twisted-core' etc |
| 09:42.16 | xk | sounds like it's from a different debian version, or from a different distro |
| 09:42.18 | crilly | xk, I don't think so. |
| 09:42.34 | crilly | http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/CalendarServer |
| 09:42.41 | crilly | I was following this. |
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| 09:43.24 | crilly | Basically, I just need to get implemented a calendar server which can do ldap authentication and supports shared calendars |
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| 09:43.58 | xk | judd: ? |
| 09:44.05 | xk | forgot how to use the bot ;) |
| 09:45.06 | xk | crilly: lenny? squeeze? |
| 09:45.36 | crilly | How do I determine the version? |
| 09:45.43 | xk | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 09:45.56 | crilly | 6.0 |
| 09:45.59 | xk | squeeze |
| 09:46.27 | xk | hmmm |
| 09:46.37 | xk | added any sources to /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 09:46.45 | xk | that's weird you don't have python-plist |
| 09:47.39 | crilly | indeed |
| 09:47.48 | crilly | I'm just waiting for an update to finish |
| 09:48.16 | txxt | why any package is found when doing $aptitude install calendarserver ? |
| 09:48.40 | crilly | The Testing repository has been added, xk, and I added a Zenoss repository a while back, but that's not being looked at it seems. |
| 09:48.42 | txxt | does it has any specific repo ? |
| 09:48.55 | xk | you could have a different repo with a newer version of python |
| 09:49.00 | xk | zenoss depend on python I think |
| 09:49.07 | xk | that would explain the dodgeyness |
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| 09:49.17 | crilly | Zenoss has its own Python packaged inside its self I think |
| 09:49.27 | xk | that'd explain the issues |
| 09:49.36 | crilly | It would? How? |
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| 09:49.40 | xk | but why it has its own python, i dont know |
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| 09:49.46 | crilly | It doesn't use the system's Python install |
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| 09:49.52 | xk | well... it could have a newer python (3.0) than squeeze? |
| 09:50.03 | crilly | We have 6.2 installed anyway |
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| 09:50.35 | xk | dunno.. using other repos with upgraded tools is not a good approach. |
| 09:50.44 | xk | i've seen those problems time and time again |
| 09:52.35 | txxt | why can't i install this : http://packages.debian.org/lenny/calendarserver via apt-get ? it is stable for 5.x right ? |
| 09:52.40 | crilly | Yeah, Zenoss doesn't use any system resources other than the obviouse - it's completely self contained. This is proven by the fact I can still access it on my server despite Apache and everything else being down during an upgrade :) |
| 09:52.54 | xk | heh |
| 09:53.08 | xk | txxt: what happens? |
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| 09:55.45 | txxt | xk: nothing :| |
| 09:55.46 | txxt | No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 09:55.46 | txxt | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 09:55.57 | xk | weird :) |
| 09:56.07 | txxt | yeps :| |
| 09:56.10 | txxt | really don't understand |
| 09:56.15 | xk | now that is one ive never seen before :) |
| 09:56.25 | txxt | oh boy :| |
| 09:56.32 | xk | aptitude? |
| 09:56.38 | txxt | yes |
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| 09:56.54 | txxt | well same with apt-get of course |
| 09:57.12 | crilly | xk: http://pastebin.com/HzBHQVcU |
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| 09:57.29 | crilly | That's the results I'm getting and it's boiling my blood ) |
| 09:57.31 | crilly | :) |
| 09:57.52 | xk | crilly: well... as I said before... I butcher the status file to make it work :) |
| 09:58.09 | crilly | Can you tell me what I need to "butcher"? |
| 09:58.12 | xk | :) |
| 09:58.14 | xk | ok |
| 09:58.16 | crilly | As in, what am I looking for in the file? |
| 09:58.30 | xk | trying to think how I do it. |
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| 09:59.05 | xk | edit the file, search for "(>= 2.6.5-11~)" |
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| 09:59.54 | crilly | xk, not found |
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| 10:00.00 | xk | hmm |
| 10:01.03 | xk | hang on |
| 10:01.09 | xk | you'll have to butcher it twice. |
| 10:01.20 | xk | i did it a few weeks ago to get php5 frm lenny to work on squeeze :) |
| 10:01.48 | xk | ok |
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| 10:02.01 | xk | cd /var/lib/apt/lists; grep "(>= 2.6.5-11~)" * |
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| 10:02.42 | crilly | Got lots of results. |
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| 10:03.11 | xk | any from zenoss repo? |
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| 10:03.29 | crilly | None. All from the.earth.li |
| 10:03.45 | xk | hmm |
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| 10:04.29 | xk | trying to think how to do it :) its hard without looking at hte actual machine |
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| 10:05.05 | crilly | It's absolutely absurd that this needs to be done in the first place. "Linux, the advanced server OS - breaks when you want to install something." |
| 10:05.11 | xk | well |
| 10:05.14 | xk | blame the third party repos |
| 10:05.21 | xk | they're the root cause of the problems. |
| 10:05.38 | crilly | I thought Earth.li was the Debian test repos? |
| 10:06.04 | ethanol | you guys on crack? |
| 10:06.12 | xk | how did you install zenoss? |
| 10:06.19 | xk | did you just download the .deb? |
| 10:06.45 | ethanol | people installing zenoss arent real linux users :< |
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| 10:07.10 | ethanol | so no whining here plx |
| 10:07.18 | jelly | there are no "false linux users", ethanol |
| 10:07.33 | ethanol | did not say that |
| 10:07.40 | jelly | you implied it. |
| 10:07.45 | xk | http://www.debiantutorials.com/installing-zenoss-monitoring-system/ |
| 10:07.46 | ethanol | did not |
| 10:07.46 | xk | hmmm |
| 10:08.02 | ethanol | the opposite of real is not false |
| 10:08.02 | ethanol | :< |
| 10:08.38 | ethanol | xk: I could write a tutorial about installing wine so you can mirc. doesn't make it less retarded :< |
| 10:08.39 | xk | 120MB package!!! |
| 10:08.58 | xk | ethanol: eh? |
| 10:09.05 | jelly | xk: why are you surprised, this is typical of commercial products |
| 10:09.48 | crilly | xk, yes, via the Zenoss repo |
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| 10:09.57 | xk | 1) make something complicated 2) ??? 3) profit! |
| 10:10.04 | xk | I think 2 in this case is sell support :) |
| 10:10.29 | crilly | It's actually not that complicated really |
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| 10:10.50 | xk | ok, I'll do a test install |
| 10:11.08 | jelly | xk: this is a common open-source based business plan. |
| 10:11.33 | crilly | xk, do you think the repo could br breaking something? |
| 10:11.45 | xk | i've seen more interesting ones. make something buggy as fuck 2) sell dodgey consultancy services 3) profit! |
| 10:11.52 | xk | crilly: what version of zenoss do you have? |
| 10:12.01 | crilly | latest |
| 10:12.13 | xk | 3.0.3? |
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| 10:12.53 | crilly | Well 3.0.3 is the latest, so yeah :) |
| 10:13.20 | xk | Ill install it on a fresh squeeze server |
| 10:13.23 | xk | then calendarserver |
| 10:13.44 | jelly | we use nagios and cricket, instead |
| 10:13.49 | xk | actually.. that's a lenny server, woops. |
| 10:14.23 | crilly | xk, very kind of you, thank you <3 |
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| 10:15.30 | crilly | jelly, got a URL for "Cricket"? Googling for "cricket" doesn't quite yield the results I was looking for ;) |
| 10:15.45 | crilly | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:16.12 | xk | hmm... it does indeed have its own python |
| 10:16.16 | xk | but it's in /usr/local/ |
| 10:16.46 | xk | ok, it shouldn't affect you. |
| 10:16.53 | xk | could you paste your sources.list |
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| 10:17.02 | crilly | jelly, if Cricket turns out to be decent, it will replace Zenoss for us because although I like Zenoss and think it's very fancy, it's over-complicated structure and self-contained nature is annoying. |
| 10:17.12 | crilly | xk, sure no porbs |
| 10:17.40 | ttiicc | I wonder why I hat to type apt-get remove liborbit2 for removing gnome? what does liborbit2 have to do with gnome? |
| 10:17.45 | crilly | xk, http://pastebin.com/SWVt6kJr |
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| 10:18.33 | jelly | crilly: cricket just does graphs. |
| 10:18.38 | xk | that's one nasty sources.list file :) |
| 10:18.48 | jelly | crilly: nagios does monitoring and alerting |
| 10:18.52 | xk | you have etch, lenny, and squeeze! |
| 10:18.55 | crilly | jelly, that's all we want from Zenoss at the miute. |
| 10:19.01 | crilly | jelly, we use Nagios |
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| 10:19.34 | xk | is there any screenshots of cricket? |
| 10:19.41 | crilly | jelly, we have Nagios doing the monitoring, and it does it very well, and we tried to get Cacti working but quite frankly, it's shite; then we found Zenoss and fell in love with its ease, but not its structure. |
| 10:20.01 | crilly | xk, I never made the sources file sadly. I've come into this business with this situation to deal with :) |
| 10:20.05 | xk | crilly: reconnoiter supposedly has the goal of being the uber monitoring system. |
| 10:20.48 | xk | crilly: ok... you get into this type of mess when someone decides to mix packages :) |
| 10:21.04 | xk | crilly: dpkg --list | grep etch |
| 10:21.12 | xk | crilly: would be interesting to see if it's not an upgraded system. |
| 10:21.12 | crilly | xk, that would be my boss who, to be honest, seems as though he knows what he's doing. |
| 10:21.32 | xk | well... i've seen many people do dodgey things :) |
| 10:21.35 | xk | if it works, it's good enough |
| 10:21.41 | xk | unfortuately.. it breaks in the future |
| 10:21.43 | crilly | xk, nothing we returned. |
| 10:21.46 | crilly | was* |
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| 10:22.17 | xk | crilly: remove all instances of etch and lenny. |
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| 10:23.17 | DelphiWorld | hello debian guys. |
| 10:23.19 | Jimmy89 | xk, so I should setup passwordless ssh on the two client computers? |
| 10:23.20 | xk | then apt-get update; then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 10:23.28 | xk | Jimmy89: yes |
| 10:23.28 | DelphiWorld | anyone know a ready to go prepared image for pcengine alix? |
| 10:23.33 | DelphiWorld | embedded PC. |
| 10:23.37 | crilly | xk, I have to be careful with this because although this server (called Axe) is a dev server, it does run things we want to keep. It also has databases with trend information in AND it's the collector for our Cisco network's NetFlow data. |
| 10:23.40 | xk | otherwise each time you sync, you need to itneractively enter the password. |
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| 10:23.50 | xk | crilly: heh. |
| 10:23.59 | xk | ok. |
| 10:24.10 | xk | putting all things on the one server is not a good idea. |
| 10:24.19 | crilly | xk, I just don't want anything to stop working or, at least be able to get things running again |
| 10:24.21 | DelphiWorld | #debian is a auto route ;) |
| 10:24.22 | Jimmy89 | yep that would be terrible. So just to confirm the only script that would need to run would be on the server? it would setup and do the 2-way sync between each clinet? |
| 10:24.24 | DelphiWorld | lot of traffic |
| 10:24.26 | crilly | xk, tell me about it |
| 10:24.59 | crilly | xk, however, given the nature of our business and what image we have to send out, we're a shoe-string budget IT department ;) |
| 10:25.10 | xk | bah. |
| 10:25.19 | xk | your boss should take a pay cut for the year, then buy new servers |
| 10:25.23 | xk | that's where the problem lies :) |
| 10:25.25 | jelly | crilly: that's normal |
| 10:25.29 | crilly | xk, for example, we just bought three PCs off eBay which we're going to fill with drives and ZFS - that's our backup :P |
| 10:25.35 | xk | oh man |
| 10:25.40 | xk | dont get me started on dodgey IT operations |
| 10:25.43 | jelly | that's... sad :-) |
| 10:25.52 | xk | I worked for a company where they bought EVERYTHING on ebay |
| 10:26.03 | crilly | jelly, it's not normal at all - I know people with £150,000 budgets for the year. |
| 10:26.05 | xk | except they bought a _NEW_ coffee machine |
| 10:26.10 | xk | that's the only thing new they had :) |
| 10:26.14 | crilly | haha |
| 10:26.18 | crilly | xk, I can beat that |
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| 10:26.42 | crilly | I used to work for a company who had NO INTERNAL DNS or DHCP... and a flat NT4 domain... No AD... no standardised hardware |
| 10:26.47 | xk | I've worked at one company wher ethey were making 5mil profit/year, but couldn't increase their IT budget. |
| 10:26.50 | DelphiWorld | any suggestion? |
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| 10:27.07 | xk | crilly: I worked at a company in 2008 where 50%+ of the people had CRT screens :) |
| 10:27.13 | crilly | xk, anyway, back to my issue haha |
| 10:27.24 | jelly | DelphiWorld: apart from "install it the normal way"? |
| 10:27.36 | crilly | xk, we use CRT here - I have a flat screen which I plug my MBP into, but my boss has two massive 21" Sun CRTs haha |
| 10:27.40 | DelphiWorld | jelly: no keyboard, no cd, no VGA. |
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| 10:27.52 | xk | crilly: I'm not a fan of touching complicated and fragile systems. |
| 10:27.57 | crilly | jelly, can you take a screenshot of a few graphs in Cricket for me? I'd like to see it working. |
| 10:28.04 | xk | people deserve what they implement. |
| 10:28.17 | crilly | xk, Me neither, but if it breaks, it'll be his fault and a learning curve for us both ;) |
| 10:28.30 | jelly | DelphiWorld: netboot, or get the hard disk out and install it on some other machine |
| 10:28.47 | DelphiWorld | jelly: some other machine shouldn't good... |
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| 10:28.53 | DelphiWorld | jelly: netboot how? cd? |
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| 10:29.04 | xk | i've gotten to the stage (well everyone should have by now) where virtualisation rules :) |
| 10:29.05 | DelphiWorld | hey tarik |
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| 10:29.15 | crilly | xk, if you're willing to help me make or break this machine, I would be grateful :) |
| 10:29.25 | xk | crilly: it's hard without being on the actual machine. |
| 10:29.27 | jelly | DelphiWorld: hm. |
| 10:29.29 | crilly | xk, yep we're going to be implementing virtualisation soon |
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| 10:29.33 | jelly | !tell DelphiWorld about i-g |
| 10:29.47 | crilly | xk, we have a few 2Us for that I think. |
| 10:30.09 | xk | atleast they're not 8 year old desktop computers used as "servers" :) |
| 10:30.41 | xk | crilly: dpkg --list| grep python |
| 10:30.58 | xk | I'll try and solve your problem then I'm done for the day :) |
| 10:30.59 | DelphiWorld | Jelco: i know the guide... but no cd! |
| 10:32.08 | crilly | xk, I've done an 'aptitude install calendarserver' and it has come up with a solution of its own. |
| 10:32.18 | crilly | In fact it's done it |
| 10:32.27 | xk | it solved the problem? |
| 10:32.30 | DelphiWorld | ;( ;( ;( |
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| 10:35.22 | crilly | xk, not yet, but aptitude is doing a much better job than apt-get is - it's actually saying "if we do this, it will fix this" |
| 10:35.35 | crilly | And giving alternatives if that isn't acceptable also - that's rather clever. |
| 10:35.42 | xk | yeah... aptitude is apparently pretty good at resolving complicated dependency issues |
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| 10:36.19 | xk | so what did it end up doing? |
| 10:36.28 | xk | [31037.869570] Out of memory: kill process 8015 (.python.bin) score 263560 or a child |
| 10:36.34 | xk | this is what zenoss did to my test machine :) |
| 10:36.41 | xk | 512MB vm server |
| 10:37.04 | xk | lol. |
| 10:37.08 | xk | it is a HUGE memory hog |
| 10:37.18 | crilly | Wow, fixed it |
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| 10:39.23 | crilly | xk, http://pastebin.com/ff9Xy2pQ - basically I did this :) |
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| 10:39.32 | DelphiWorld | ... no luck |
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| 10:40.18 | DelphiWorld | !netboot |
| 10:40.18 | dpkg | methinks netboot is a Debian installation method involving the use of TFTP and DHCP (or BOOTP, RARP) servers, to provide installation media to clients on a local network. Not recommended for novice users, ask me about <netinst>. See also <install guide>, <netboot miniiso>, <installer firmware>, <open firmware>. |
| 10:40.37 | DelphiWorld | !netinst |
| 10:40.37 | dpkg | netinst is, like, a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 10:41.00 | xk | crilly: ok, looks like there were some old versions of python installed... .wher another application depended on the older version. where it created an upgrade conflict |
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| 10:41.25 | xk | rdiff-backup :) |
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| 10:42.17 | xk | i wonder if an apt-get upgrade would break that box :) |
| 10:43.38 | crilly | I did an upgrade before |
| 10:43.44 | crilly | Everything is still running |
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| 10:45.05 | crilly | xk, our Nagios keeping an eye on things :) http://cl.ly/3G0W3Q261k2K2V3k3p2o |
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| 10:45.25 | lwolf | hi, is there a way to list loaded cron rules ? Or to determine why a rule present in cron.d directory does not run ? |
| 10:45.49 | xk | cool |
| 10:47.31 | xk | that reminds me, I need to figure out the weird nagios notification problem |
| 10:47.37 | xk | email alerts are OK. |
| 10:47.43 | crilly | xk, all this being said, I am getting "failed!" when trying to run CalendarServer, and with no log files anywhere. Something could either still be broken, or not configured corrctly |
| 10:47.45 | xk | but sms (well, non-email) alerts... they're weird. |
| 10:47.55 | crilly | We haven't got SMS implemented yet. |
| 10:48.18 | xk | it triggers notify-service-by-sms which executes an external script |
| 10:48.27 | xk | however... the notification for a downed serviced is "host is uP!" |
| 10:48.36 | xk | heh |
| 10:48.55 | xk | nagios.log says the right thing... so Im not sure whats wrong, other than the masked notification levels being the problem. |
| 10:49.32 | xk | (I dont allow warning or critical alerts for sms) |
| 10:49.37 | crilly | Sounds as the script might have incorrect logic |
| 10:49.44 | crilly | as though* |
| 10:49.50 | xk | nah. it gets fed the wrong info. |
| 10:49.56 | xk | but why? I dont know. |
| 10:50.07 | xk | I'm tempted to just filter it within the script. |
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| 10:50.40 | crilly | That's just duck-taping over a deeper problem. |
| 10:51.03 | xk | yeah |
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| 10:51.07 | xk | not a fan of that |
| 10:51.12 | xk | but I'm stumped over the problem |
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| 10:51.30 | xk | i'll play with it later |
| 10:51.42 | xk | when I fix the main issues with drupal |
| 10:52.05 | xk | or workaround :) |
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| 10:59.36 | polatov | паÑни, еÑÑÑ Ð²Ð¾Ð·Ð¼Ð¾Ð¶Ð½Ð¾ÑÑÑ Ð²ÑдÑаÑÑ ÐºÐ¾Ð½Ñиг ÑдÑа еÑли неÑÑ /proc/config? |
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| 11:00.15 | geekie | polatov: I don't think there's many in here who understand/can read your language. |
| 11:00.24 | polatov | ohh |
| 11:00.26 | polatov | sorry |
| 11:00.31 | polatov | ))) |
| 11:00.38 | themill | polatov: /boot/config-$(uname -r) at a very random guess |
| 11:01.00 | polatov | ok, tnx |
| 11:01.14 | geekie | Technicus: you know russian or was it indeed a random guess? :P |
| 11:01.28 | geekie | erm themill* |
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| 11:02.21 | themill | geekie: partly random and partly with the aid of google translate. (most questions in this channel that refer to /proc/config are answered with "/boot/config-$(uname -r)" though) |
| 11:02.37 | geekie | ah |
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| 11:04.33 | polatov | guys. can i use 2.6.45 kernel on lenny? |
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| 11:10.58 | opakavic | going idle for few minutes....................... |
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| 11:15.57 | frikinz | Is there a tool to show the history of dpkg installations? I installed a framework a few days ago but I need to revert. Some script that reads /var/log/dpkg.log or /var/log/aptitude must exist. |
| 11:16.06 | frikinz | polatov: there's no 2.6.45 |
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| 11:16.57 | polatov | frikinz, 35 ofcourse |
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| 11:17.50 | frikinz | polatov: well try. Is this your machine or a server or production machine? Maybe other can answer for details. there might be problems with device naming or udev but I'm not sure. |
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| 11:18.44 | frikinz | polatov: should work |
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| 11:27.06 | frikinz | Meanwhile, I've written this script a long time ago, if some are interested. It shows the history of installation/upgrade/.. of dpkg. http://pastebin.com/WBqXZLcz |
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| 11:34.45 | MaxFrames | hello |
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| 11:35.17 | MaxFrames | I am running a dhcp3 server on a debian (lenny) virtual machine. I have set up a range and it works correctly. The range has a default setting for the DNS servers list. Now, I'd need to override this DNS servers list for a particular host. Can I do this? Do I just add the custom DNS list to the host definition? |
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| 11:36.12 | MaxFrames | if so, what's the correct syntax? "name-servers server1,server2;" or "option name-servers server1,server;" or again "option domain-name-servers server1,server2;" ? |
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| 11:41.26 | jelly | crilly: http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~jelly/cricket-linux-server.png http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~jelly/cricket-mail.png http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~jelly/cricket-time-ranges.png |
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| 11:42.34 | crilly | jelly, I think my boss will like them. I bet Cricket is quite snappy and respondsive? Zenoss is quite a heavy UI. |
| 11:42.39 | crilly | Responsive* |
| 11:43.16 | jelly | crilly: it's pretty stupid, regenerates graphs every 5 or 10 minutes or so |
| 11:43.20 | xk | hmm... whats the other graphing tool called. |
| 11:43.40 | jelly | crilly: the interface is static html pages |
| 11:44.52 | crilly | jelly; does it need to be anything else? What's stupid about graphs every 5-10 minutes? That's what the recommended and normal time-frame is anyway. |
| 11:45.00 | xk | heh |
| 11:45.09 | crilly | Zenoss and Cacti both use five minute intervals by default. |
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| 11:45.22 | xk | log data every 5 minutes, but graph every 30-60 minutes makes more sense. |
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| 11:46.06 | jelly | crilly: I mean, there's nothing snappy or responsive about it |
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| 11:46.44 | jelly | xk: sure, if you want to see what's happening only every 30-60 minutes |
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| 11:47.31 | xk | yeah |
| 11:47.48 | crilly | jelly, if it's just static HTML pages, then we'll be quite pleased actually. Do you know if it can graph NetFlow data as well? |
| 11:47.53 | xk | unless you can graph every 5 seconds. |
| 11:48.02 | xk | er, data points at every 5 seconds |
| 11:48.16 | jelly | crilly: it can graph whatever you put in rrd files ;-) |
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| 11:50.01 | crilly | jelly; in that case then - no. |
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| 11:50.16 | crilly | Because I would need something to process the NF files and put that data in rrds |
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| 11:50.26 | crilly | Do'able, but not without some work I guess. |
| 11:52.26 | jelly | we collect and graph stats from network equipment via snmp; netflow is a bit more detailed |
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| 11:55.47 | crilly | Yeah we're using SNMP now for our kit for simple stuff, but as you said, NF is very detailed. We're using FlowGraph to do it at present |
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| 12:02.17 | Jimmy89 | xk you still around |
| 12:02.18 | Jimmy89 | ? |
| 12:02.19 | crilly | Besides CalendarServer, are there any other shared calendar servers I can look at? |
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| 12:02.28 | xk | Jimmy89: yeah |
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| 12:03.16 | Jimmy89 | ok I installed ssh / rsync on the windows box through cygwin |
| 12:04.16 | MikeH | Is find able to search the contents of files? I want to use find to find every .htaccess, but then return only the htaccess with a certain string inside it |
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| 12:04.32 | Jimmy89 | so if i want to do a backup from the remote computer to the server, initiated from the server, do i need the remote computer to be running rsync as a daemon? |
| 12:04.45 | xk | no |
| 12:04.52 | xk | everything runs as client |
| 12:05.07 | sidRo | wheezy |
| 12:05.08 | Jimmy89 | hmm trying the dry run i get connection refused |
| 12:05.15 | xk | what command |
| 12:05.19 | Jimmy89 | I can ssh into it without a password fine |
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| 12:06.29 | Jimmy89 | one sec |
| 12:08.38 | Jimmy89 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:09.19 | Jimmy89 | rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [receiver] |
| 12:09.19 | Jimmy89 | rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(635) [receiver=3.0.3] |
| 12:09.37 | Jimmy89 | ah hang on |
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| 12:10.10 | Jimmy89 | xbmc is the module name.. |
| 12:10.20 | xk | why double :? |
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| 12:11.56 | Jimmy89 | ah excellent |
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| 12:12.36 | Jimmy89 | i just used a single : and then just used the actual path name |
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| 12:12.42 | Jimmy89 | dry run seems to work |
| 12:12.54 | xk | ok |
| 12:12.58 | xk | got any files in rsync_backup? |
| 12:13.01 | xk | or it's a test dir? |
| 12:13.13 | Jimmy89 | empty atm |
| 12:13.25 | xk | now you can remove --dry-run if it looks all good |
| 12:13.54 | Jimmy89 | anyway to tell progress or speed? |
| 12:14.03 | xk | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:14.57 | Jimmy89 | thanks mate |
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| 12:15.42 | Jimmy89 | so that command will only update if a newer timestamped version of the file exists? |
| 12:15.53 | crilly | xk, jelly; any of you guys use any shared calendar system? We need something based on CalDAV ideally, which can also authenticate against LDAP. |
| 12:16.32 | Jimmy89 | xk, I am going to need your help doing a cron job too in a min :p |
| 12:16.35 | xk | Jimmy89: it will update if the timestamp and/or size is different. |
| 12:16.49 | xk | i dont remember if it's and/or |
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| 12:22.01 | Jimmy89 | the rsync worked :) |
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| 12:24.51 | xk | cool |
| 12:25.08 | xk | now to test it by adding files to the local server, then, add a file remotely, and see if any file gets deleted |
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| 12:33.27 | SkilZ | someone please help, im trying to use http://sourceforge.net/projects/smartcam/ and I get this error >> http://pastebin.com/KUJ21cKD |
| 12:34.14 | ttiicc | why aren't vimtutor default installed with debian, while vim is? |
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| 12:35.20 | Skaperen | why not just make everything be installed by default |
| 12:35.25 | ksk | ! |
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| 12:48.03 | abrotman | ttiicc: that's vim.tiny IIRC |
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| 12:51.54 | jelly | crilly: we have an win 2008R2 AD and Exchange 2010 |
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| 12:52.55 | crilly | jelly, ah OK |
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| 12:54.33 | Jimmy89 | hmm just need to find where to put the authorized_keys file on the appletv |
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| 12:58.36 | rysiek|pl | hello |
| 12:58.44 | rysiek|pl | a quickie here, can't seem to find it anywhere: |
| 12:58.56 | rysiek|pl | how do I check which repo a package was installed from? |
| 12:59.06 | txxt | what is the package for carddav server in debian? can't find it. thanks |
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| 13:00.43 | ksk | txxt: take a look at: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 13:00.59 | ksk | as far as i see theres no package |
| 13:01.15 | txxt | ksk: yes i tryed and can't find it anywhere. |
| 13:01.22 | txxt | odd... because there is caldav server |
| 13:01.26 | txxt | but no carddav server |
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| 13:01.47 | babilen | !tell rysiek|pl -about which repo |
| 13:02.01 | rysiek|pl | babilen: thanks |
| 13:02.05 | babilen | rysiek|pl: "apt-show-versions" might also be worth a look |
| 13:02.12 | ksk | !tell ksk -about which repo |
| 13:02.22 | babilen | !tell ksk -about selftell |
| 13:02.29 | babilen | ;) |
| 13:02.45 | ksk | your right. im sorry |
| 13:02.53 | babilen | ksk: No problem :) |
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| 13:05.45 | frikinz | crilly: Some info here http://wiki.debian.org/Groupware |
| 13:06.12 | txxt | no one around running cardDAV server in debian ? can't find it. thanks once more. |
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| 13:09.47 | Jimmy89 | I found /private/etc/ssh, which is where the host keys / public keys go etc |
| 13:10.06 | Jimmy89 | on the AppleTV that is, i tried putting the file there but it still asks me for a password :( |
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| 13:20.58 | crilly | Jimmy89; OS X uses sudo, so the password will be your suer password, provided you, the user, are an admin |
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| 13:43.55 | starenka | hi, i wrote my init script, chmoded it, put in /etc/init.d and made update-rc.d defaults on it. it is symlinked in rc.d dirs, but the deamon is not started. where can i find logs concerning this issue? thanks |
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| 13:47.19 | Azrael_- | starenka: probably messages/syslog. does your script work if you use it manually? |
| 13:47.50 | starenka | Azrael_-: yes, i can start and stop it, via /etc/init.d/mongodb start|stop |
| 13:48.58 | starenka | i think the script is okay http://dpaste.com/362597/ |
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| 13:49.14 | Azrael_- | did you restart the system and have a look into the logs? |
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| 13:49.51 | war9407 | anyone use deb mirror? dists/squeeze/Contents-i386.gz failed md5sum check |
| 13:50.06 | war9407 | Release signature does not verify, file missing. |
| 13:50.06 | war9407 | Errors: |
| 13:50.06 | war9407 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.06 | war9407 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:50.06 | war9407 | Failed to download some Release or Release.gpg files! |
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| 13:50.23 | starenka | Azrael_-: the problem is i can't restart the system, cause there are plenty jobs hevily working all the time. but the vps provider had dropout this morning, it got restarted and the deamon was not up |
| 13:50.36 | starenka | so i guess it must be logged somewhere |
| 13:50.48 | starenka | s/hevily/heavily |
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| 13:53.37 | starenka | Azrael_-: messages doesn't show anything, and syslog haven't logged this either |
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| 13:58.27 | Azrael_- | starenka: i'd suggest you to change the first line of your script to this "#!/bin/bash -x" if it is executed now you'll defenitely see what's happening |
| 13:58.50 | starenka | Azrael_-: nice, how come? |
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| 13:59.03 | Azrael_- | execute it once manually and you'll see |
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| 13:59.13 | starenka | ;) |
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| 14:00.54 | starenka | Azrael_-: thank you |
| 14:01.05 | starenka | have a nice weekend all of you |
| 14:01.43 | eshat | I have postfix installed, but want system messages go to an external e-mail adress, they now go to /var/mail/username |
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| 14:02.31 | Azrael_- | i want to setup a dhcp-server but i have to restrict it to only one of the multiple interfaces. how can i do this? |
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| 14:04.05 | eshat | Azrael_-: are all devices in same network ? |
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| 14:04.29 | eshat | Azrael_-: and are you using dhcpd ? |
| 14:04.45 | tvm | azrael_-: DHCP daemons usually have config/startup option for that |
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| 14:06.31 | eshat | Azrael_-: As tvm said,... in my /etc/dhcp4/dhclient.conf there is an interface option |
| 14:06.53 | eshat | so can anyone tell me, where the mailbox directory is defined (postfix) |
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| 14:07.50 | eshat | or am I mixing anything.... maybe the MTA has nothing to do with that ? |
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| 14:15.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | eshat, what system messages are being sent by mail? |
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| 14:26.40 | akio | I'm setting up openldap and I think I want to use bdb. |
| 14:26.52 | akio | Is that available in the repository? |
| 14:26.58 | akio | For squeeze |
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| 14:27.14 | akio | I only found a Java Edition |
| 14:27.27 | pipeline | akio: friends don't let friends use openldap |
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| 14:27.38 | akio | What instead? |
| 14:27.39 | pipeline | akio: fedora directory server is free as in freedom and is a much more robust, pleasant product all around |
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| 14:27.53 | akio | Well thank you. |
| 14:28.07 | pipeline | akio: FDS is based on ye olde Netscape/Sun DS 5.1. It's the best of the best. Short of Netscape/Sun 5.2 anyway :P |
| 14:28.48 | akio | I saw the ovirt stuff using it. |
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| 14:29.04 | Azrael_- | sorry, was afk. ok, dhclient has an option for interface but afai understand this doesn't influence dhcpd. i have one physical nic but 3 bridges. one bridge is for a nat-network with vms and the dhcpd is only allowed to serve there for not interfering with the dhcpd of the hoster |
| 14:29.21 | pipeline | akio: heh naturally ovirt would depend on FDS -- red hat sells FDS as a commercial product, RH DS |
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| 14:29.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | but openldap is packaged for debian, fds is not? |
| 14:29.38 | pipeline | akio: RH DS is hella expensive. Last I checked, RH + RHDS actually cost MORE than Solaris + Sun DS |
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| 14:30.10 | pipeline | CutMeOwnThroat: a little hassle today to avoid living with openldap on an ongoing basis is always worth it |
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| 14:31.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems to me things that are not packaged will be a hassle in themselves, needing the attention that else a maintainer would give them |
| 14:31.42 | pipeline | heh looks like there is an aliot project to package fds, but there are no files or anything on the site |
| 14:31.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=497098 |
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| 14:32.08 | pipeline | CutMeOwnThroat: your loyalty to the debian project is laudable, but openldap is a chum bucket at the bottom of a latrine. Some things just aren't worth doing. |
| 14:32.30 | akio | wow |
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| 14:32.41 | akio | I'm glad I don't have to figure that out. |
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| 14:33.36 | eshat | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry for delay.... I mean messages, like lm-sensors sends, when something gets too hot, or apt sends, when packages have information, that should be send to root |
| 14:33.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | nothing got to do with loyalty, just laziness ... and generally that's what packages are for... to have one maintainer do the work so that thousands of others don't have to... |
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| 14:34.43 | pipeline | heh it should be pretty easy to mangle the EPEL FDS packages using alien |
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| 14:37.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | eshat, mh, I don't get any right now... and I'm not sure anymore what has to be configured to get log messages by mail - it does then go via /etc/aliases... not sure you can forward to external there, read man etc-aliases ... then it's sent to the account and should honor .forward, too |
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| 14:44.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you know how it is with aliens, though... dripping slime, teeth like fifh |
| 14:44.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | and they kill everyone on the spaceship |
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| 14:46.35 | eshat | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
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| 14:46.39 | Azrael_- | eshat / tvm : you can configure the interface in /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server |
| 14:47.33 | daemonkeeper | hehe, learned right before, Azrael_-? ;) |
| 14:48.22 | Azrael_- | daemonkeeper: they tried to help me but weren't successful, thus i thought i should share |
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| 14:48.42 | daemonkeeper | Azrael_-: Never mind, I'm glad to help you :) |
| 14:48.49 | HackeMate | hi, i want to use my computer as proxy, with SSL and user authentication |
| 14:48.53 | HackeMate | whats the best way to do this? |
| 14:48.55 | Azrael_- | thx again |
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| 14:49.43 | petar | what does the following tell me: http://pastebin.com/AhRsbh4U --- that I do have free memory? (see cached value) or that I *dont* have free memory? (see total) |
| 14:49.53 | Azrael_- | HackeMate: i think squid is your best option (although a little bit big) |
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| 14:50.18 | HackeMate | i thought squid is a kind of firewall that filters the hosts i can access |
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| 14:50.22 | HackeMate | i will read about then, thanks |
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| 14:52.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | akio, and to answer the questions... openldap is packaged in package "slapd" ... bdb ... looks like libdb1-compat - "/msg dpkg search" for the syntax of the most useful searches |
| 14:52.59 | akio | CutMeOwnThroat: I think I am going the 389-ds route, but thanks. |
| 14:53.10 | akio | I didn't see the libdb1-compat. |
| 14:53.40 | stew | petar: that you have very little "free" memory, however most of your memory is being used as disk cache (since it wasn't doing anything better), and can be reclaimed instantly of needed by applications |
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| 14:54.19 | petar | stew: thanks |
| 14:54.20 | stew | petar: though its all that ALL of your swap is used |
| 14:54.26 | stew | ^all^odd |
| 14:54.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | akio, oh, and that's obviously an old one... there's the newer libdb* though (e.g. libdb4.6) |
| 14:55.12 | petar | stew: that struck me as weird too.. |
| 14:55.33 | akio | CutMeOwnThroat: holy crap thanks, I never knew about dpkg -S |
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| 14:55.55 | petar | stew: thanks again though |
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| 14:56.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | akio, it's slow, why dlocate is more convenient most of the time (although that doesn't show very recently installed files) |
| 14:56.38 | zerq | this is very weird.. i did debian net install over built in ethernet, rebooted, installed a totally non network related package (using the net), rebooted again, suddenly eth0 never gets in IP from the router, eventually gets some stupid avahi fake IP and can't even ping the router.. but eth0 is up and networking works fine in OS X still |
| 14:56.55 | zerq | in/an/ |
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| 14:58.27 | zerq | and if i unplug the cable it says eth0 down |
| 14:58.32 | zerq | and eth0 up when i replug |
| 14:58.45 | zerq | but as far as the router is concerned the machine doesn't exist when its running debian |
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| 14:59.01 | manhunter | i can't login to windows, i have two harddisks, the windows is in the first hard disk first sector , i installed the grub boot loader using debian cd |
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| 15:00.22 | manhunter | it is a boot loader problem , there is another boot loader in the second hard disk , that is freebsd boot loader , i'm automatically login to freebsd , i can't see the grub boot loader for the first hard disk |
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| 15:01.07 | siyb | is there any tool to check if a .deb package has been packed according to the debian criteria (filewise etc) |
| 15:01.10 | siyb | ? |
| 15:01.28 | DelTree | lintian ? |
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| 15:04.05 | thewanderer1 | is it possible to have both NVIDIA and Intel (where Intel is from X.org packages and NVIDIA from non-free repo) drivers on the same system? |
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| 15:04.23 | abrotman | thewanderer1: yes .. but IIRC the nvidia package overwrites the GLX stuff? |
| 15:04.27 | thewanderer1 | I basically want to have a common NFS root file system for multiple workstations, but some have Intel while others have NVIDIA graphics... |
| 15:04.52 | thewanderer1 | and Nouveau doesn't provide all the needed facilities for now... |
| 15:05.15 | thewanderer1 | yes, NVIDIA seems to overwrite some GLX stuff... that poses an obstacle, I assume |
| 15:05.20 | pipeline | intel opengl is pretty terrible anyway, so just leave the intel opengl broken |
| 15:05.20 | siyb | DelTree: that's the one i was looking for, thank you! |
| 15:05.37 | thewanderer1 | pipeline: hm, it works for me so far... |
| 15:05.47 | thewanderer1 | at least the users would be complaining |
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| 15:06.29 | thewanderer1 | I honestly don't have an idea how to handle this... I'd like to avoid managing 2 separate Debian installs in different chroots |
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| 15:08.36 | lwolf | thewanderer1, why not detect intel/nvidia hardware in a init script and "copy" the corresponding xorg configuration ? |
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| 15:09.00 | thewanderer1 | lwolf: this is the simple part, yes. but NVIDIA seems to replace the native GLX libraries with its own... |
| 15:09.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | xorg does autodetect, that's not the problem... nvidia has different glx runtime libraries |
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| 15:09.38 | cantido | the nvidia glx doesn't replace mesa does it? |
| 15:10.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, I wonder how you're supposed to solve that if you have two different graphics cards, both of which have monitors attached |
| 15:10.12 | lwolf | thewanderer1, may be using update-alternatives ? it should be possible to add your own alternatives |
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| 15:10.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, I guess in that case you're supposed to not have an nvidia and a non-nvidia card |
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| 15:11.00 | cantido | the nvidia glx doesnt conflict with mesa |
| 15:11.01 | thewanderer1 | no, no, this is for separate computers |
| 15:11.13 | thewanderer1 | they will all be booted off the same root filesystem over NFS |
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| 15:11.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, I realized it is for different computers... but it's not unheard of to have more than one graphics card, too |
| 15:11.42 | abrotman | cantido: i think it does |
| 15:11.52 | abrotman | though, really .. it only matters if you want hardware accelerated X |
| 15:11.53 | cantido | abrotman: I can see that in aptitudes conflicts |
| 15:12.38 | thewanderer1 | hm... linux-gamers Live DVD seems to install the drivers from a binary package on system boot, but it's stateless as a live system |
| 15:12.40 | cantido | it conflicts with the firegl stuff from what I can see but not mesa |
| 15:12.48 | stew | judd: conflicts nvidia-glx --release sid |
| 15:12.49 | judd | Package nvidia-glx -- conflicts: fglrx-driver, nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-legacy, nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx, nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx, nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx. |
| 15:12.54 | stew | look it conflicts with itself?!? |
| 15:13.08 | cantido | stew: with legacy version of the nvidia driver |
| 15:13.11 | thewanderer1 | I bet it's some version numbers that are being skipped... O.o |
| 15:13.23 | stew | cantido: nvidia-glx conflicts with nvidia-glx |
| 15:13.38 | stew | no, its not a versioned conflicts |
| 15:13.41 | lwolf | thewanderer1, why not create 2 folders : one for nvidia, one for intel, having all the specifics files. You create a symbolic link to the good folder at startup, and you replace all the system files by symbolic links to the "alias" folder you created at startup ? (quite ugly) |
| 15:13.41 | thewanderer1 | well, mesa doesn't conflict with NVIDIA because NVIDIA uses some diverts or alternatives to replace the libs |
| 15:14.13 | thewanderer1 | lwolf: well, it could work... but the filesystem is writable, so when 1 host changes that... another host is going to use this |
| 15:14.25 | cantido | thewanderer1: its loaded by the Nvidia driver isnt it? |
| 15:14.27 | lwolf | thewanderer1, tmpfs ? |
| 15:14.36 | thewanderer1 | hm... and some AuFS overlay? |
| 15:14.52 | cantido | stew: mmm I wonder how I have it installed then.. |
| 15:15.27 | thewanderer1 | doesn't a self conflict cause a package to be uninstalled and then installed, instead of upgraded? |
| 15:16.18 | cantido | any way, thats not the point, it doesnt seem to conflict with mesa.. the other nvidia libraries it uses don't seem to conflict either |
| 15:16.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | what't the difference between "upgrde" and uninstall, then install? |
| 15:16.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what upgrade _does_ |
| 15:16.34 | thewanderer1 | CutMeOwnThroat: hmm... prerm/postrm scripts get executed? |
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| 15:17.09 | stew | thewanderer1: they do on upgrade |
| 15:17.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | cantido, as thewanderer1 already said, it doesn't because it just diverts some libraries... that still means you only have one library active |
| 15:17.29 | stew | but they get called with different arguments |
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| 15:17.38 | cantido | libglx-nvidia-alternatives |
| 15:17.42 | stew | http://wiki.debian.org/MaintainerScripts shows the differences |
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| 15:18.12 | thewanderer1 | well... I think I'll resort to preparing 1 fs for the Intel machines and then overlaying another partial FS over it and installing NVIDIA inside |
| 15:18.46 | thewanderer1 | was just hoping to solve it in a more elegant way :P |
| 15:19.11 | cantido | thewanderer1: look at what libglx-nvidia-alternatives does and make it dynamic? |
| 15:19.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, I wonder if you can't set LD_LIBRARY_PATH or have different ld configurations... but both seems messy |
| 15:19.39 | thewanderer1 | cantido: yes, that's the overall plan, kindof... but I still need to invent some per-client overlay |
| 15:19.51 | thewanderer1 | AuFS looks like it's appropriate |
| 15:20.04 | cantido | you can have both installed at the same time.. so you could just overlay the right symlink or whatever |
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| 15:20.17 | thewanderer1 | ok |
| 15:20.25 | thewanderer1 | so root on AuFS it is, then |
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| 15:20.41 | txxt | how can i install only one specific package that is only available for squeeze and my distro is lenny ? |
| 15:21.06 | cantido | thewanderer1: no |
| 15:21.08 | thewanderer1 | !tell txxt about backports |
| 15:21.09 | cantido | txxt: no |
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| 15:21.16 | txxt | no cantido ? |
| 15:21.31 | txxt | thewanderer1: not working the tell ? |
| 15:21.39 | cantido | txxt: you cant install "one" package from squeeze because it will want to pull in tons of new packages with it |
| 15:21.47 | cantido | txxt: use backports instead |
| 15:22.16 | txxt | cantido: thanks.i am checking backport now |
| 15:22.22 | txxt | thanks also thewanderer1 |
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| 15:23.06 | stonie | hi.. whats the best fs to choose for an external 2tb usb drive? most files are between 15-1.000 mb - videos from our comp. |
| 15:23.22 | cantido | thewanderer1: have you tried loading the nvidia glx on a non-nvidia system? |
| 15:23.30 | thewanderer1 | cantido: hm, not really |
| 15:23.40 | cantido | thewanderer1: I have a feeling it still works.. I'm not sure if you would get any hardware 3D though |
| 15:23.48 | thewanderer1 | yes, that's the point... |
| 15:23.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | !filesystem comparison |
| 15:23.54 | dpkg | hmm... filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
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| 15:24.43 | thewanderer1 | filesystems with permissions are quite tricky for portable drives... |
| 15:25.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... external |
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| 15:25.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | didn't see that bit... |
| 15:25.40 | thewanderer1 | I guess the choice depends on target systems that are supposed to read that, stonie |
| 15:25.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | thewanderer1, not necessarily, really depends on how/where you suppose to use them (no problem whatsoever, if all machines share the same users) |
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| 15:26.16 | stonie | only linux systems may access that disk |
| 15:26.30 | cantido | stonie: the biggest problem will be differing uid/gid's then |
| 15:26.55 | stonie | ye thanks thats not a problem |
| 15:26.58 | thewanderer1 | stonie: I'd go for ext4, it's the only filesystem suitable for drives of such capacity nowadays it seems... |
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| 15:27.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | without journaling, the time fsck would take for 2 TB doesn't bear thinking about... |
| 15:27.32 | cantido | I thought all of the in-kernel filesystems could handle massive devices.. |
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| 15:27.47 | thewanderer1 | cantido: ext3 is not very good with huge drives |
| 15:27.59 | cantido | why? |
| 15:28.11 | thewanderer1 | long mkfs and fsck |
| 15:28.23 | stonie | and ext4? |
| 15:28.25 | cantido | why would it be faster with ext4? |
| 15:28.28 | zerq | argh.. so yeah, wired ethernet, worked fine for install, worked after first reboot, still works in OS X, but can't even ping the router in debian now |
| 15:28.50 | zerq | never gets an IP from DHCP, doesn't work with static IP |
| 15:29.04 | zerq | has the right module and detects cable being connected tho |
| 15:29.09 | thewanderer1 | stonie, cantido: ext4 is said to be faster than ext3 in fsck and I/O operations... and that is in agreement with my observations |
| 15:29.23 | cantido | zerq: I've seen that with some broadcom chipsets |
| 15:29.43 | cantido | zerq: I don't think apple use broadcom though |
| 15:30.00 | stonie | would you use journaling? |
| 15:30.02 | zerq | it's an HP actually just using OS X |
| 15:30.03 | cantido | thewanderer1: I'd say USB would be the limiting factor if anything |
| 15:30.13 | zerq | and it's an nForce ethernet chip |
| 15:30.35 | zerq | weird thing is it worked perfectly for install AND after rebooting |
| 15:30.40 | zerq | but then reboot again and bam, dead |
| 15:30.50 | thewanderer1 | zerq: does it work with |
| 15:30.52 | thewanderer1 | noacpi ? |
| 15:31.10 | zerq | i'll see |
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| 15:31.39 | AlexC_ | g'morning |
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| 15:32.38 | cantido | there are two nvidia nic drivers aren't there? A free one and an nvidia one? |
| 15:32.43 | AlexC_ | are XFS, JFS and HFS considered stable in Squeeze and safe to use? I'm looking for a fast read on small files, roughly 1KiB->20KiB, for a partition holding website document roots |
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| 15:33.03 | cantido | XFS is safe with a UPS |
| 15:33.19 | cantido | if the power goes out you might get 0 where you used to have a file |
| 15:34.03 | AlexC_ | luckily we have a fully redundant power solution so that would be ok |
| 15:34.22 | cantido | XFS is "designed" for big files from what I remember |
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| 15:35.20 | thewanderer1 | fast reads shouldn't be too much of a worry, the memory cache will take care of most cases |
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| 15:35.56 | cantido | Everyone goes on about which fs is best.. but I've never had a situation where I've though "this fs is really crap" |
| 15:36.04 | cantido | except with FAT or something |
| 15:36.36 | ksk | ;) |
| 15:36.37 | ethanol | only reason to use fat is cross os compatibility |
| 15:36.43 | ethanol | I think |
| 15:36.55 | stew | cantido: I believe the power outage problems with xfs have been fixed |
| 15:36.55 | cantido | ethanol: or on small embedded systems.. its easy to implement |
| 15:37.07 | ethanol | don't work with those, so I wouldn't know :) |
| 15:37.09 | cantido | stew: I thought that too, but I had a zero'd file last week |
| 15:37.13 | AlexC_ | cantido: sure, but it's always good to see the solutions available to me, instead of just going "bugger it, EXT3 because I know it's used as the default in a lot of places" |
| 15:37.58 | cantido | stew: The log is meant to work around the copy-on-write stuff, but I lost a bunch of source I was working on in eclipse last week when the wife tripped the breaker with the microwave :/ |
| 15:38.41 | stew | ok |
| 15:38.54 | cantido | AlexC_: I feel a lot of the time an FS is choosen because "oh that looks nice and new!" instead of "after extensive testing, xyz is best" |
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| 15:40.05 | cantido | Like people that came here asking how they could get ext4 before it was included.. I want 4 because thats newer than 3 was the general reason |
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| 15:43.22 | pipeline | stew, cantido : the power outage problems with xfs (and, for that matter, ext4) are intrinsic and not fixable |
| 15:43.35 | pipeline | stew, cantido : if your underlying device supports write barriers, then you're all good.... and if it doesn't, you're screwed |
| 15:44.06 | pipeline | stew, cantido : 99% of the time write barriers aren't workable. So, uh, buy a UPS. |
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| 15:44.39 | cantido | pipeline: I thought the log was meant to be able to undo whatever was about to happen when the power was lost |
| 15:46.24 | pipeline | cantido: logging filesystems (ext3, xfs, ext4) usually log metadata changes, not data changes, so without write barriers / battery backed cache you can't be sure that the log and the data are actually consistent |
| 15:46.54 | pipeline | cantido: I know on ext3 you can turn on data journaling, but it's slower |
| 15:47.03 | stew | !xfs |
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| 15:47.03 | dpkg | The filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance (metadata-only) journalling and large disk support. Zeroed files on power failures is fixed since Linux 2.6.17 (http://lwn.net/Articles/279036/). Supposedly not as mature, in linux, as <ext3>. Unable to be shrunk. Broken on ARM (BTS #423562). http://xfs.org/index.php/XFS_FAQ http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ #xfs on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:48.28 | cantido | pipeline: I thought that was the point though, when a file is written the meta changes.. if the power goes out the transaction is voided and the meta should be put back |
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| 15:49.34 | flo` | hi |
| 15:50.01 | flo` | does installing the ntpdate package setup my system so that the time is periodically fetched from some ntp server? |
| 15:50.07 | flo` | or must i setup the cronjob myself? |
| 15:50.16 | cantido | flo`: no, use openntp |
| 15:50.18 | stew | flo`: no, don't bother with ntpdate, install ntp instead |
| 15:50.34 | flo` | hrm, okay. but why? |
| 15:50.46 | cantido | flo`: it will keep the time in check for you |
| 15:50.49 | stew | ntpdate is abandoned and deprecated by its authors |
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| 15:51.04 | cantido | and it wont suddenly change it by massive amount and confuse everything |
| 15:51.28 | Azrael_- | stew: but it doesn't seem like openntp was included in squeeze yet |
| 15:51.28 | flo` | okay. |
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| 15:51.43 | jelly | stew: so which tool is used for occasional stepping of the clock now? |
| 15:51.50 | cantido | Azrael_-: openntp is in squeeze I think.. |
| 15:52.03 | stew | jelly: why would you want to step it? |
| 15:52.03 | cantido | jelly: you shouldn't |
| 15:52.04 | Azrael_- | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.18 | flo` | so, does installing openntpd setup my system properly? |
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| 15:52.33 | jelly | stew: because it sometimes becomes silly wrong |
| 15:52.38 | stew | judd: versions openntpd |
| 15:52.41 | judd | Package openntpd on i386 -- etch: 3.9p1-3; lenny: 3.9p1-7; sid: 3.9p1+debian-6 |
| 15:52.44 | stew | judd: why not just ntp adjust it? |
| 15:52.49 | stew | jelly: ^^ |
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| 15:52.54 | thewanderer1 | what packages to get when I want a truly minimal GNOME? |
| 15:53.00 | jelly | stew: adjusting by 8 hours is silly. |
| 15:53.08 | stew | jelly: why? |
| 15:53.18 | thewanderer1 | (full GNOME, almost no apps for it) |
| 15:53.19 | stew | Azrael_-: it looks like it was removed from squeeze |
| 15:53.31 | jelly | stew: it's going to be slow! |
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| 15:53.50 | stew | jelly: it shouldn't be |
| 15:54.04 | cantido | IIRC you shouldn't change the clock by massive amounts |
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| 15:54.18 | jelly | stew: are you saying the ntp daemon is going to step the clock in that case? |
| 15:54.25 | cantido | hence ntp pulls it into line over a period of time |
| 15:54.29 | stew | jelly: no, but it adjusts it very quickly |
| 15:54.42 | jelly | stew: how quickly? |
| 15:54.45 | flo` | how long does ntpd take between startup and adjust? |
| 15:55.09 | jelly | stew: will it be adjusted before further services start? |
| 15:55.16 | cantido | flo`: give it some time.. once it has a decent sync with the upstream servers your clock will be pulled into sync |
| 15:55.25 | cahoot | won't ntp die if the discrepancy is too great? |
| 15:55.26 | flo` | hm, okay |
| 15:55.32 | cantido | jelly: your RTC shouldn't be massively out |
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| 15:55.48 | jelly | cantido: what if it is? |
| 15:56.02 | flo` | hrm, is there any lighter solution for setting the time? i have a tolerance of a minute or so, so openntpd seems to be overkill? |
| 15:56.11 | cantido | jelly: get a new RTC, it shouldn't drift that much |
| 15:56.15 | Azrael_- | cahoot: no, it won't die but slowly adjust your clock until it is in synch |
| 15:56.17 | stew | jelly: i just tested it going forward 8 hours |
| 15:56.23 | allure | Hi... when I setup pptp, wasnt it supposed to be listening on port 47 for GRE aswell? When I run fuser -v 47/tcp it returns nothing, the port is free. |
| 15:56.27 | stew | jelly: according to my clock it took 8 hours :) |
| 15:56.32 | stew | jelly: it was like a minute |
| 15:56.54 | jelly | cantido: I can't. It happens every now and then that the clock has a grave offset, for various reasons. |
| 15:57.12 | cantido | jelly: are you rebooting? |
| 15:57.23 | jelly | it's usually hardware, or hwclock not having written to the hardware at shutdown, or misconfigured UTC=, or whatnot |
| 15:57.24 | Azrael_- | if you need it to adjust the time immediately you can still order this to happen. have a look into the command line options for doing this |
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| 15:57.48 | cantido | jelly: the system clock on a VPS can be all over the place too |
| 15:57.59 | jelly | cantido: yes, I want the time to be corrected asap, before any other services start |
| 15:58.25 | cantido | jelly: ok, so let ntp pull the system clock into line and make sure it sets the hardware clock |
| 15:58.31 | jelly | cantido: how? |
| 15:58.35 | cantido | and I think ntp comes up pretty early at boot |
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| 15:58.54 | jelly | cantido: I don't want it to take "a minute" to set the clock, I want it to bloody step. |
| 15:58.59 | cantido | embedded systems with no rtc work just fine with ntp |
| 15:59.33 | cantido | jelly: the reason you shouldn't use ntpdate is that changing the system clock by a massive amount in one go isn't a good idea |
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| 15:59.51 | jelly | cantido: at that time, no important services are started yet. |
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| 16:00.20 | jelly | cantido: so the reasons for that ungood idea are largerly irrelevant |
| 16:00.21 | cantido | jelly: if you feel that strongly about it you are free to maintain ntpdate |
| 16:01.19 | jelly | cantido: I feel strongly about setting time without affecting other services, and that tends to go well if those other services are not running at all |
| 16:01.49 | cantido | jelly: "time without affecting other services" which is why openntp pull the time in line |
| 16:02.35 | cantido | some applications go nuts when massive amount of time pass without them knowning |
| 16:02.41 | AlexC_ | when installign a package with 'dpkg -i foobar.deb', is there a way to get it to install dependencies automatically? |
| 16:02.43 | cantido | s/knowning/know/ |
| 16:03.08 | stew | AlexC_: after dpkg -i fails due to dependencies, run "aptitude -f install" to fix them and finish the install |
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| 16:03.35 | jelly | cantido: how's that relevant to stepping the time at boot, _before_ those apps are started |
| 16:04.09 | cantido | meh, you are arguing a non issue .. the guy that wrote the tool has deprecated it for a reason |
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| 16:04.53 | AlexC_ | stew: hum, by "finish" it wants to meet the dependency by removing the package :P "glusterfs: Depends: libibverbs1 (>= 1.1.2) but it is not going to be installed" |
| 16:04.58 | jelly | cantido: what reason was it? |
| 16:05.26 | AlexC_ | stew: ignore, I didn't know it was asking me on solutions to meet it, hitting 'n' came up with a better solution |
| 16:05.33 | cantido | calling ntpdate in cron every 5 minutes doesn't stop your clock from drifting |
| 16:05.49 | jelly | duh |
| 16:06.43 | jelly | even a butter knife can be misused; is that a reason to deprecate the tool |
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| 16:07.18 | flo` | what do these messages from ntpd in syslog mean: "adjusting local clock by 415.670391s"? |
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| 16:08.13 | cantido | jelly: ntpdate from cron -- DON'T DO THAT! -- a thread on debian-user.. its been played out before |
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| 16:09.42 | stew | jelly: he seems to have cron stuck in his head |
| 16:10.19 | stew | jelly: fwiw: http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Dev/DeprecatingNtpdate |
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| 16:11.36 | stew | jelly: and it looks like their recommendation is to use ntp-wait for things that need to wait for the sync to finish |
| 16:12.25 | jelly | oh, is that a lsb init dependency? [...] no, it's a tool |
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| 16:13.17 | stew | no u |
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| 16:13.38 | jelly | oh well, I guess it can be made into a dependency |
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| 16:14.26 | jelly | "Use: ntpd -gq with a ntp.conf which uses iburst on at least one server line and a good drift file, the time should be set "well" in about 11 seconds" |
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| 16:16.09 | HandyGandy | How can I use apt to tell me what installed packages are from repositories no longer in the list of available repositories? |
| 16:16.21 | stew | HandyGandy: try apt-show-versions |
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| 16:17.54 | HandyGandy | stew: Yeah I could do that, but I would have to look at every package by hand. |
| 16:18.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you _try_ it? |
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| 16:20.01 | stew | HandyGandy: you can grep the output to get only the results you are looking for |
| 16:20.27 | stew | HandyGandy: apt-show-versions | grep 'No available' |
| 16:20.46 | HandyGandy | Ah ok. Thanks stew. |
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| 16:24.15 | themill | HandyGandy: or /msg dpkg not available |
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| 16:26.43 | stew | dpkg: factinfo not available |
| 16:26.43 | dpkg | not available -- created by themill <~stuart@themill.user.oftc.net> at Wed Apr 28 23:45:36 2010 (274 days); last modified at Thu Apr 29 09:31:51 2010 by themill!~stuart@themill.user.oftc.net; it has been requested 33 times, last by stew, 23s ago. |
| 16:26.47 | stew | sicko |
| 16:27.02 | themill | \o/ |
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| 16:27.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | nobody else {c,w}ould have made a factoid like that |
| 16:28.41 | themill | !dbugs 579603 |
| 16:28.45 | dpkg | #579603:N[aptitude] aptitude: ?archive(now) matches all installed or removed (not purged) packages (); Wed, 28 Apr 2010 23:51:01 UTC [] |
| 16:28.52 | themill | (in part explanation of why it's so weird) |
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| 16:31.33 | HerrBlume | Hi, i can't find a program to encode base32 (not base64) but i only find tcllib. Am I looking at the wrong place? |
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| 16:32.05 | HerrBlume | I did a apt-cache search base32 |
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| 16:32.40 | bonjoyee | can someone using ffmpeg from debian-multimedia.org, paste the output of ffmpeg -version? |
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| 16:34.24 | kannan1222 | how do i check if a package is installed |
| 16:34.33 | themill | bonjoyee: http://paste.debian.net/105950/ |
| 16:35.14 | brandFU | kannan: man aptitude |
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| 16:35.17 | themill | kannan1222: /msg dpkg installed |
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| 16:35.45 | bonjoyee | themill: thank you so much!:) |
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| 16:45.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell HerrBlume -about apt-file |
| 16:46.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | HerrBlume, nothing there to find, though |
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| 16:48.52 | HerrBlume | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks for the resposne |
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| 16:49.48 | HerrBlume | CutMeOwnThroat: I needed base32 for URI stuff, but will now use base64 and escape the / and = characters |
| 16:50.19 | thewanderer1 | what is the proper way to prepare a SATA disk for hot unplug? |
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| 16:58.43 | thewanderer1 | I just did hdparm -y and yanked the cords out now... seems to be rather fine... |
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| 17:12.53 | christianp | hi all |
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| 17:14.53 | christianp | how can i use ftp to transfer directory-tree without tar.gz them (i need a terminal ftp client) |
| 17:15.17 | christianp | ftp can't help me with directories, while ncftp seems not to connect |
| 17:15.25 | christianp | is there another choose? |
| 17:15.26 | thewanderer1 | try lftp... |
| 17:15.37 | christianp | thanks, i'll try... |
| 17:16.08 | thewanderer1 | an alternative is using FUSE with FTP as a filesystem |
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| 17:18.11 | thewanderer1 | I have clients which use a common root filesystem (NFS root). how would I deploy Kerberos authentication on this? |
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| 17:18.31 | thewanderer1 | what I need is to use authenticated NFSv4 via krb5 |
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| 17:21.12 | xvilka | hi! i'm want to build extremely fast web server with lighttpd/php-fpm-5.3/python-3 Is there articles or somewhat else? To provide only the tiny minimal for the system |
| 17:22.30 | christianp | thewanderer1, i installed lftp, but making something like "mput location localfolder" seems to do nothing |
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| 17:23.36 | christianp | thewanderer1, sorry "mput myfolder" does nothing :( |
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| 17:24.27 | Zapelius | how do I search/list package installation sources with aptitude? I would like to have all packages listed that are installed from dotdeb.org |
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| 17:25.25 | themill | Zapelius: "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" is one of more useful things aptitude can do for you. replace "purge" by "search" if you merely want a list, but /msg dpkg dotdeb |
| 17:27.07 | themill | Zapelius: also, /msg dpkg which repo |
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| 17:28.31 | Zapelius | themill, thanks, got it. :) |
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| 17:37.53 | thewanderer1 | help, I need to disable an LCD in a laptop |
| 17:38.04 | thewanderer1 | ThinkPad X60 tablet... the LCD is initialized along with the Linux kernel I think |
| 17:38.15 | thewanderer1 | the thing is, it's broken and I don't want it enabled |
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| 17:38.54 | thewanderer1 | ideally I'd like to cut power completely |
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| 17:39.23 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Unplug the ribbon cable. |
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| 17:39.46 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: I'd have to unscrew the whole thing again... |
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| 17:40.06 | Zapelius | uhh... sun-java6-jdk want's to install avahi-daemon.. O_o why on earth is that so? (lenny) |
| 17:40.06 | jhutchins_lt | That's right. |
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| 17:42.21 | Zapelius | I guess I'm getting that java from sun.com, without all that garbage (*fonts^N, dbus, ...) |
| 17:43.09 | Zapelius | mm.. oracle :) I never get used to that... |
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| 17:48.08 | pipeline | cap0ne65_: yeah but the metadata itself may or may not be correct |
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| 17:53.00 | allure | Hello... I keep getting the error "GRE: Bad checksum from pppd." when trying to connect to a VPN. I googled it a lot but couldn't find the problem myself. What should I do? |
| 17:53.21 | doubleukay | allure: by any chance are you connecting from an android device? |
| 17:53.33 | allure | doubleukay: no, from ubuntu |
| 17:53.48 | doubleukay | ah ok. |
| 17:53.51 | allure | I have a Nexus One, tho... |
| 17:54.01 | allure | will probably use it if it works on ubuntu |
| 17:54.57 | jhutchins_lt | allure: Ubuntu's ppp support is different from debian's. |
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| 17:55.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is it with everyone saying the u-word |
| 17:55.32 | allure | jhutchins_lt: that is if the problem is in the client... came here to make sure |
| 17:56.54 | iaj | hey there.. how can I remotely on a ssh machine, view its current connected ssh users? |
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| 17:59.21 | sernin | iaj: 'w' |
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| 17:59.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | or "who" |
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| 18:00.10 | iaj | sernin, CutMeOwnThroat thanks! |
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| 18:03.55 | guesst123 | how could i fix this : |
| 18:03.56 | guesst123 | 6.0.472.63 (59945) Built on Debian unstable, running on Debian 6.0 |
| 18:04.06 | guesst123 | id like to run latest stable chromium |
| 18:04.14 | guesst123 | isnt there a newer package for it ? |
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| 18:05.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions chromium-browser |
| 18:05.11 | judd | Package chromium-browser on i386 -- sid: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5; squeeze: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5; experimental: 9.0.597.45~r70550-1 |
| 18:05.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is in experimental |
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| 18:06.53 | Bushmills | i'm a bit undecided what server virtualisation to use, for replacing vserver with something else, on a dedicated server, reason is that the VPS needs own iptables, which vserver doesn't support. i'm currently leaning towards virtualbox, kvm or qemu+kqemu. which one would you advocate? |
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| 18:08.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | kvm is qemu with bells on |
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| 18:08.20 | stew | and we really like bells |
| 18:08.22 | pipeline | Bushmills: I am a vmware guy by trade, but I have to say, qemu-kvm w/ libvirt tools is finally getting into a usable state |
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| 18:08.48 | pipeline | Bushmills: the libvirt tools are really user-friendly. Overall the qemu+KVM+libvirt experience is very similar to e.g. VMware GSX, VMware Server 1.x. It's awesome. |
| 18:08.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, pull the other one... :-P |
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| 18:09.26 | pipeline | Bushmills: added bonus -- all the libvirt tools, including virt-top, are packaged by debian :) |
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| 18:09.58 | tharkun | Gentlemen i've been having some isues with security upgrades. Is there a way using aptitude or apt-get to selectively upgrade a bunch of packages? |
| 18:10.42 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: You could use the menu-driven method. |
| 18:10.49 | pipeline | tharkun: if you apt-get install an installed package that has an upgrade, that will begin the upgrade |
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| 18:11.27 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: i'm kind of cli prone menus and gui seem to have an adverse health effect on me |
| 18:11.40 | tharkun | pipeline: thx i'll test it and script accordingly |
| 18:12.03 | Bushmills | ok, kvm just gained a few points |
| 18:12.32 | tharkun | Bushmills: Does it have a workaround for intel's crappy hw? |
| 18:12.36 | pipeline | Bushmills: libvirt isn't picky, the same management tools will handle xen and non-kvm qemu |
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| 18:13.03 | pipeline | Bushmills: I just prefer qemu-kvm to xen, myself, because I was burnt very badly by a xen bug a few years ago, and I am not ready to toe those waters again :D |
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| 18:13.21 | HackeMate | hi, what i need to watch tv in my computer with debian squeeze and EyeTV for DTT usb |
| 18:13.34 | tharkun | pipeline: ftr I've been running a vps on xen for the last year withoug a glitch |
| 18:13.51 | pipeline | tharkun: once burnt, twice shy, man |
| 18:14.10 | Bushmills | xen wasn't really a candidate, from what i was reading it didn't sound like it's the virtualisation of the future anymore |
| 18:14.25 | pipeline | Bushmills: in the sense that redhat now backs kvm preferentially to xen, that is true |
| 18:14.33 | pipeline | Bushmills: but there are other vendor behind xen. Too early to count it out :) |
| 18:14.44 | tharkun | pipeline ++ |
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| 18:15.10 | pipeline | Bushmills: for my own personal use I would prefer to bet on red hat's horse, because those guys tend to win races :) |
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| 18:15.35 | pipeline | Bushmills: to paraphrase RH's own PR material, turning billion dollar industries into 100 million dollar industries and loving it |
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| 18:19.18 | complete | Good Evening from Hamburg! I saw, that you can order 24-CPU-Servers now. Do you think that speeds up web server performance significantly? Say compared to 4 CPUs? |
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| 18:19.49 | tharkun | complete: What does that has to do with Debian? |
| 18:19.55 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: are your 4 cpu servers slow now? |
| 18:20.00 | stew | complete: ^^ |
| 18:20.06 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.09 | Bushmills | web servers as such aren't very cpu demanding, they're more i/i driven |
| 18:20.15 | Bushmills | i/o |
| 18:20.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, :((( |
| 18:20.57 | complete | stew: haha, i happily serve tens of thousands of daily users on a single cpu now :) but it feels amazing how much processing power is available these days and i wonder if i could capitalize on it if i needed more power. |
| 18:21.46 | stew | complete: whether or not it would speed anything up would depend on what the bottleneck is |
| 18:21.46 | tharkun | complete: from a pragmatic point of view if it ain't broken and it will not brake in the near future then don't bother about it just yet |
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| 18:23.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | you know that reminds me in an amazing way of hitchhikers guide... where the black spaceship with the sole function to dive into a sun and explode is about to be fitted with the best teleporter that money can buy... |
| 18:23.02 | complete | stew: well, i dont have bottlenecks, so i cannot say. the only bottleneck i encountered was an artificial limit to 90 simultanious connections set by my provider once. |
| 18:23.40 | stew | complete: if you don't have bottlenecks then no, adding more processors won't significantly affect performace |
| 18:23.47 | guesst123 | judd: ? |
| 18:24.44 | tharkun | complete: Out of curiosity what httpd daemon are you using? |
| 18:24.57 | complete | tharkun: apache |
| 18:25.05 | tharkun | prefork? |
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| 18:25.14 | complete | tharkun: whats prefork? |
| 18:25.50 | tharkun | apache2-mpm-prefork |
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| 18:26.34 | complete | tharkun: i got several apache servers. one one CPU servers about 10,000 daily visitors with a rather complex application. another 1-cpu machine serves about 3000 daily onlineshop visitors. and one 4-cpu machine happily serves 50,000 daily onlineshop visitors. |
| 18:27.00 | complete | tharkun: never heard about apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 18:27.16 | stew | complete: "aptitude search '~i~Papache2-mpm'" would answer his question |
| 18:27.40 | pipeline | complete, tharkun : prefork is the default, and the only 100% working method of using php... so if you don't know what you have, you probably are using prefork |
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| 18:28.16 | tharkun | pipeline: ok thx i think you just made my life easier |
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| 18:28.37 | stew | judd: depends apache2 |
| 18:28.39 | judd | Package apache2 -- depends: apache2-mpm-worker (>= 2.2.9-10+lenny9) | apache2-mpm-prefork (>= 2.2.9-10+lenny9) | apache2-mpm-event (>= 2.2.9-10+lenny9). |
| 18:28.45 | complete | pipeline: might be. i just slam my systems on 0815 managed servers from 1&1 and others. |
| 18:28.48 | stew | looks like worker is the "default" |
| 18:28.49 | thewanderer1 | er... why waste completely good hardware with Apache HTTPD? :P |
| 18:29.12 | pipeline | because apache is wonderfully flexible and widely used, so you can accomplish many unusual tasks easily, tharkun |
| 18:29.16 | pipeline | thewanderer1, rather |
| 18:29.28 | thewanderer1 | yes, but if you want speed... |
| 18:29.29 | pipeline | (also, your httpd is usually the smallest and least important part of the system performance-wise :D) |
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| 18:29.38 | thewanderer1 | heh... no |
| 18:30.02 | thewanderer1 | at least there is a reason why Wikipedia and YouTube are on Lighty : |
| 18:30.20 | thewanderer1 | before switching hardware, I'd seriously consider switching software |
| 18:30.22 | pipeline | it has been my experience that most applications are i/o bound on the DB server or CPU bound on the app server ... the actual httpd at the front of it all is a pretty tiny piece of the puzzle |
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| 18:30.48 | thewanderer1 | if the DB is a bottleneck, you need to optimize the application or employ some cache |
| 18:31.19 | pipeline | that is often true for trivial applications, e.g. mediawiki |
| 18:31.30 | pipeline | but it's not really relevant to typical business applications |
| 18:31.43 | pipeline | you're not going to "optimize" SAP or Hyperion :) |
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| 18:32.32 | wormwood | greetings, I recently install Deb with just the bare essentials. When I try to 'apt-get install gcc-4.3-base |
| 18:32.39 | wormwood | it says its already installed |
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| 18:33.12 | wormwood | but I ran a "find / -name 'gcc*'" and I don't see any of the binaries O_o |
| 18:33.43 | pipeline | wormwood: install the gcc-4.3 package for the compiler frontend |
| 18:33.48 | pipeline | wormwood: the -base package just has libs and things |
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| 18:33.57 | wormwood | ahh |
| 18:34.03 | wormwood | thanks |
| 18:34.10 | pipeline | wormwood: in fact on my PC it seems the- base package contains only some readme files |
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| 18:35.01 | wormwood | yep, thats what find was reporting on mine as well. New to debian ( coming from *BSDs ) |
| 18:35.11 | wormwood | planning on using deb or xenserver for xen |
| 18:35.32 | wormwood | thanks for the help |
| 18:35.57 | stew | wormwood: if you are planning on compiling anything, you'll probably also want to install build-essential |
| 18:36.20 | tharkun | pipeline, stew, thewanderer1: thx for your insights on this httpd isue. |
| 18:36.31 | pipeline | wormwood: most xen things of interest are packaged by debian anyway, and don't require compilation |
| 18:37.02 | wormwood | stew: thanks :D |
| 18:37.09 | wormwood | nice |
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| 19:11.33 | linduxed | so i'm trying to set up a samba server on my lenny box |
| 19:12.02 | linduxed | but the windows machines refuse to see the lenny server as a PDC |
| 19:12.05 | linduxed | or well |
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| 19:12.26 | linduxed | more specifically, at login they can't see it |
| 19:12.53 | linduxed | the idea is that i've got an old samba setup that i'm trying to port to this lenny box |
| 19:13.12 | linduxed | it could be that the machines aren't added, that there is some trust issue |
| 19:13.21 | linduxed | i don't know |
| 19:13.26 | linduxed | that's my main issue |
| 19:13.30 | linduxed | i have NO idea |
| 19:14.41 | linduxed | any pointers as to where to start would be nice |
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| 19:15.38 | linduxed | hmmm coming to think of it, i've given no information to go on... |
| 19:15.39 | linduxed | ok |
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| 19:16.10 | linduxed | i'll make a forum post about it, that will make more sense i hope |
| 19:16.59 | pipeline | linduxed: if you have an old samba box that you are copying there are several important things to think about |
| 19:17.23 | pipeline | linduxed: 1. config in /etc (duh) 2. samba version -- 2 and 3 are not really compatible 3. you are probably using tdb databases for user mapping -- those are stored in /var! |
| 19:17.24 | linduxed | pipeline: yeah it's an old centos box |
| 19:17.51 | linduxed | pipeline: i can check what version of samba if you give me a sec |
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| 19:19.49 | linduxed | the one i'm trying to reproduce comes from samba version 3.0.10 |
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| 19:20.16 | linduxed | so it's quite old |
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| 19:34.16 | karsten-nr | So, I typically run "aptitude update && aptitude -dy full-upgrade" in a root shell, and it works as expected. |
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| 19:34.52 | karsten-nr | This morning, I run it and the full-upgrade doesn't run. Aptitude is exiting with status 255, but no error messages. Strace doesn't show much either. |
| 19:34.59 | karsten-nr | (well, anything interesting). |
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| 19:36.14 | stew | karsten-nr: how about without the -y? |
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| 19:36.56 | karsten-nr | stew: the problem is the 'aptitude update'. |
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| 19:37.29 | karsten-nr | http://paste.debian.net/105971/ |
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| 19:38.33 | karsten-nr | Adding '-v' gives the additional line: Current status: 0 broken [+0], 77 updates [+0], 16521 new [+0]. |
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| 19:39.32 | stew | how about -vv? |
| 19:40.24 | karsten-nr | stew: samwe |
| 19:40.26 | karsten-nr | same |
| 19:42.15 | karsten-nr | bbiam |
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| 19:44.45 | wormwood | hrm, if I'm looking for a package that has a certain file is there any command that allows me to scan packages for a specific file? |
| 19:44.53 | pipeline | linduxed: yeah but 3.x versions are largely compatible with one another |
| 19:45.11 | pipeline | linduxed: so at least you're not trying to port your 2.x config forward :) |
| 19:45.56 | danols | is there a debian package to install drupal ? |
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| 19:46.25 | stew | danols: drupal6? |
| 19:46.34 | stew | wormwood: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 19:46.59 | wormwood | stew: thanks |
| 19:48.42 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
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| 19:50.38 | karsten-nr | back. |
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| 19:51.23 | karsten-nr | stew: Was just confirming that I had disk space. Realized that root is actually a little tight (minimal root, 500MB allocated). It's the damned kernel modules. 3 installed kernels. |
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| 19:52.13 | karsten-nr | Just removed one, dropped from 94% utilized to 76% |
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| 19:52.53 | linduxed | pipeline: i still can't get any results though |
| 19:53.05 | jhutchins_lt | So is it possible to "upgrade" a 32b system to amd64? |
| 19:53.07 | linduxed | pipeline: i guess i'll have to redo it all from scratch or something |
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| 19:54.38 | karsten-nr | stew: Ah.... "apt-get update" tells me something: W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian-ports.org/debian/dists/unstable/Release Unable to find expected entry main/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 19:54.52 | karsten-nr | stew: ... and exits with status = 100 |
| 19:55.13 | stew | karsten-nr: why are you using debian-ports? |
| 19:55.20 | stew | that's not for amd64 |
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| 19:55.52 | stew | thats for "stuff we ditched" like m68k |
| 19:55.59 | stew | and for hurd |
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| 19:58.55 | intx | if I do a make-kpkg kernel_image, without specifying modules_image, are the modules included in the original package? |
| 20:00.46 | karsten-nr | stew: I wanted to get an old WindowMaker dock app that's been dropped from the archive. |
| 20:00.53 | karsten-nr | But ports doesn't seem to have anything useful either. |
| 20:01.05 | karsten-nr | However -- ports wasn't breaking before. |
| 20:01.19 | karsten-nr | (It's been in my package list for a few days). |
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| 20:02.17 | dutchfish | intx: more like: fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd kernel_image modules_image; |
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| 20:27.50 | jhutchins_lt | karsten: Why ull amd64 packages from ports? |
| 20:27.57 | jhutchins_lt | pull that is? |
| 20:28.07 | jhutchins_lt | Ah. |
| 20:28.14 | jhutchins_lt | karsten: How about snapshot? |
| 20:28.18 | jhutchins_lt | !snapshot |
| 20:28.18 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
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| 20:32.19 | djura-san | <o/ |
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| 20:36.21 | laurus | I currently run Debian. Is there a way to have Windows 7 running on the same hard drive as a dual boot option or similar without having to reformat and reinstall Debian? |
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| 20:37.27 | JPT | laurus: that'll be a bit tricky since you'll have to free some space for windows. then, after installing it, you'll need to overwrite the windows boot manager with grub again using a live cd |
| 20:37.39 | laurus | JPT, hmm, that sounds bad. |
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| 20:37.51 | laurus | I can't believe I'm about to install Windows, it's not something I want to do |
| 20:38.06 | laurus | JPT, have you used KVM before? |
| 20:38.51 | JPT | kvm like these kvm things you can use to access a server with mouse + keyboard over lan? |
| 20:38.51 | laurus | No: http://wiki.debian.org/KVM |
| 20:38.51 | JPT | okay, then... no |
| 20:39.13 | laurus | Do you know if Windows 7 will run on 512 MB of VM RAM? |
| 20:39.22 | JPT | hmm |
| 20:39.24 | laurus | And one CPU? |
| 20:39.30 | JPT | one cpu => no problem there |
| 20:39.40 | laurus | My computer only has 1 GB RAM, period |
| 20:39.43 | JPT | 512 mb ram... if you turn off aero and stuff... it might |
| 20:39.47 | laurus | Hmm, ok. |
| 20:39.53 | stew | ask ##windows |
| 20:39.58 | laurus | I'll give it a shot in a VM then, since the other procedure you described looks tricky |
| 20:40.02 | thewanderer1 | I have an .rmvb file - how to play it on Squeeze? |
| 20:40.07 | laurus | stew, oh, I didn't even know there was a Windows channel |
| 20:40.12 | JPT | i should run... but it might turn out to run poorly |
| 20:40.17 | laurus | thewanderer1, it should just work... which media player are you using? |
| 20:40.25 | laurus | JPT, no problem. I only need it for Microsoft Word :P |
| 20:40.30 | laurus | Thanks for your advice! |
| 20:40.35 | JPT | :) |
| 20:40.37 | thewanderer1 | laurus: Kaffeine |
| 20:40.55 | thewanderer1 | it says it's encoded with DivX and who knows what else |
| 20:40.55 | laurus | thewanderer1, well, try totem. If that doesn't work, try vlc or smplayer. |
| 20:41.01 | thewanderer1 | ok, let's see... |
| 20:41.04 | laurus | totem I've found to be the best at playing all kinds of files. |
| 20:41.14 | thewanderer1 | really? I thought VNC... |
| 20:41.15 | laurus | I don't like it as much as vlc or smplayer, but it sure plays a lot of files :) |
| 20:41.20 | thewanderer1 | this is a KDE setup anyway |
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| 20:41.29 | laurus | Oh, I see, whoops |
| 20:41.37 | thewanderer1 | hmm VLC of course |
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| 20:41.39 | laurus | Well give one of those other media players a go |
| 20:41.46 | thewanderer1 | VNC is not so good at media :) |
| 20:42.40 | war9407 | anyone jhere use debmirror? |
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| 20:43.38 | HackeMate | 7j #vbox |
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| 20:44.32 | metalfan_ | hi |
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| 20:45.54 | metalfan_ | im using apt-cacher to not download packages twice, is there also a way to "cache" what happens when i run aptitude update ? |
| 20:46.00 | wormwood | hrm, when I do apt-file update I get an error that http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz is not found |
| 20:46.26 | wormwood | checked manually and it isn't there, any idea on where it was moved? |
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| 20:47.56 | TimmyT | how to set socks proxy on choqok? choqok doesn't support any proxy protocol |
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| 20:49.38 | TimmyT | how to set socks proxy on an application that doesn't support proxy like choqok? choqok doesn't support any proxy protocol |
| 20:50.32 | llutz | TimmyT: use tsocks or socksify (dante-client) |
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| 20:51.22 | jhutchins_lt | wormwood: What's the full source line from your sources file? |
| 20:55.08 | wormwood | jhutchins_lt: deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main |
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| 20:57.06 | stew | wormwood: oops, that's my fault. we aren't generating those yet |
| 20:57.13 | stew | wormwood: and we won't be for a while |
| 20:57.33 | stew | like until i get a free weekend, which hasn't really happened since my daughter was born :) |
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| 21:00.25 | moses | how do i get a program to run upon startup |
| 21:00.27 | wormwood | stew: ahh np |
| 21:00.29 | moses | conky |
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| 21:01.50 | stew | wormwood: for hte most part the contents of the packages on the security mirror is going to match those in the same package in the main mirror, so you shouldn't be missing data per-se, but you are going to get that warning... |
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| 21:05.17 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 21:05.17 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot, or add it to /etc/rc.local |
| 21:05.32 | wormwood | nods |
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| 21:26.55 | stew | !qotd0 |
| 21:26.56 | dpkg | < justin420> ...got some weird errors when using that dhclient eth0... < nvz> justin420: thats a normal dhcp lease proceedure < Tchiak> it's ok justin.. lots of men have problem problems understanding what' s going on with their DHCP it's only natural. < Tchiak> if you take this packet once a day before engaging in internet activites, you'll provide a satisfaction to both you and your isp. |
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| 21:30.39 | blue_sky | is there a way to get the timestamp in dmesg in human readable format? |
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| 21:31.26 | dondelelcaro | blue_sky: it's just the number of seconds since boot; see http://klikics.de/paste/1253374530.html for a trivial example. |
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| 21:34.21 | blue_sky | dondelelcaro: ha ha! can't run it 'cos filesys is unwritable... that's what I'm trying to troubleshoot. hmm |
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| 21:36.31 | dkr | blue_sky: perl -wle'print scalar localtime time-`cut -f1 -d. /proc/uptime`-4239888' wheer that last number is the time from dmesg entry, :) |
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| 21:49.55 | squidly | does anyone know if debian's ffmpeg package disabled or removes the codecs that have legal issues? |
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| 21:53.35 | StyXman | squidly: it's in main, so probably |
| 21:53.57 | StyXman | although is not the same ilegal than non-free |
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| 22:00.10 | StyXman | squidly: I don¶t see much --disable-* options passed to configure while compiling the package, so it looks like not |
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| 22:01.53 | StyXman | and there's no comment on its README.* files that I can find |
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| 22:17.31 | blue_sky | could use some help trouble shooting a problem. all file systems appear to be mounted RO. lsof gives IO error. last update on any file appears to be at 20.03 today in /var/log. Tried unmount /home, IO error. shutdown -r .. IO error.... Help! |
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| 22:18.25 | cusco | blue_sky: that seems bad |
| 22:18.35 | cusco | hard drive damaged? |
| 22:18.48 | cusco | backup and get a new hard drive |
| 22:18.48 | blue_sky | cusco: hope not, machine is < 1 month old |
| 22:18.53 | cusco | :| |
| 22:18.58 | cusco | cables connection? |
| 22:19.15 | StyXman | cusco: dmesg should have plenty of errors for you |
| 22:19.39 | cusco | blue_sky: he meant you |
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| 22:19.48 | StyXman | but it's either cables, power supply not coping with demand, controller (rare) or dist itself |
| 22:19.56 | blue_sky | StyXman: dmesg not updated since 20:03, last message in it was not recent |
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| 22:20.32 | blue_sky | StyXman: it's an Apple Mac Mini, there's nothing wrong with the power supply for the hardware that's a certainty |
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| 22:21.40 | blue_sky | StyXman: 'dist'? |
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| 22:24.32 | blue_sky | can't even run /sbin/halt |
| 22:25.08 | blue_sky | mind you, if disks are all mounted -ro then there's no loss if I power-off. |
| 22:25.51 | blue_sky | OK, so I power-cycle and see what happens. |
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| 22:29.17 | blue_sky | well, all appears to be back up... |
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| 22:30.07 | jhutchins_lt | fsck? |
| 22:31.11 | blue_sky | jhutchins: I'm sure, if it was needed, it would have done it, can't tell, it's headless, just looking at logs |
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| 22:47.12 | jelly-hme | blue_sky: machine being really new makes it _more_ probable it has hardware issues |
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| 22:48.27 | jelly-hme | which is good since your warranty hasn't expired yet |
| 22:48.51 | blue_sky | jelly-hme: yeah, true, but the suggestion that the power supply wasn't man enough for the hardware doesn't stand up. ... this machine is a replacement for one that died within a week, what's the chances of getting two lemons?! |
| 22:49.31 | jelly-hme | blue_sky: reasonably high, I'd say, judging for the symptoms you describe |
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| 22:49.44 | jelly-hme | s,for,from, |
| 22:50.11 | blue_sky | jelly-hme: well it appears to be OK now, but I'll keep an eye on it, could be the mobo or controller, I'll check around some Apple forums |
| 22:51.08 | blue_sky | really don't want to have to go back again. They don't like you installing 'not-apple', especially if you over-write the firmware |
| 22:51.19 | jelly-hme | blue_sky: you can check the S.M.A.R.T. values of the hdd using smartctl (smartmontools package), and run a test or two |
| 22:52.35 | blue_sky | jelly-hme: that's interesting, I'm just looking at the man page |
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| 23:04.09 | blue_sky | jelly-hme: according to smartctl (short test) the disk is healthy. I'll just have to keep an eye on this box. |
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| 23:19.38 | Some_Person | Does debian have a corporation backing it? |
| 23:20.58 | cast | it has support from corporations |
| 23:20.58 | cast | i wouldn't say backing it, it doesn't depend on a corporation |
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| 23:22.30 | Some_Person | So it's not like ubuntu with canonical or fedora with redhat |
| 23:23.15 | AimHere | There is an organisation behind it, Software in the Public Interest, but it's more like some sort of non profit or charity type thing. I think it's tax-deductible, if you've money to throw at something |
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| 23:25.09 | Hydroxide | Some_Person, AimHere: correct, or almost. SPI is one of several organizations worldwide that allows people to donate to debian (or other projects), and doing it via SPI is a charitable contribution for US taxpayers. |
| 23:25.41 | Hydroxide | Some_Person, AimHere: but SPI doesn't control how debian makes its decisions or generally operates. |
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| 23:26.23 | Hydroxide | lots of big and small corporations donate to debian, though, so in that sense many corporations are backing it :) |
| 23:28.18 | Jimmy89 | hey guys, I want to run a set of rsync commands every x minutes, is a cron job the best way of scheduling this? |
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| 23:37.12 | stew | Jimmy89: yes |
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| 23:38.52 | jelly-hme | Some_Person: what prompted that question |
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| 23:39.27 | Some_Person | jelly-hme: some discussion in #ubuntu-offtopic earlier |
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| 23:40.46 | kronic | I'm having an issue with my system, I have 4 disks, 2 sets of raid 1. If I disconnect disks 3-4. grub boots off disks 1-2, however I connect all the disks, grub errors |
| 23:41.09 | kronic | the boot priority is set to disk 1 |
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| 23:41.19 | cast | hey kronic |
| 23:41.31 | kronic | cast: yo |
| 23:41.40 | cast | long time |
| 23:41.41 | Jimmy89 | how can i get a list of files transfered etc into a log file or something using rsync with a cron? |
| 23:41.53 | kronic | cast: yeah, having been much of an IRC person anymore |
| 23:41.57 | kronic | *haven't |
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| 23:51.45 | stew | Jimmy89: rsync -v [otheroptions] src dest >> /path/to/some/logfile |
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| 23:53.39 | karsten-nr | Jimmy89: any way you like :) |
| 23:54.04 | karsten-nr | Jimmy89: cron normally mails any output. You can pipe to "logger" to create a syslog entry, or pipe to a logfile you manage yourself. |
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| 23:57.03 | karsten-nr | Jimmy89: 'rsync <stuff> | logger <options>', or 'rsync 2>&1 > /some-path/some-file' or just set MAIL to a useful value (or forward root via /etc/aliases). |
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