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| 00:02.04 | saivert | that only means it never broadcasts its SSID but if you know the name you can still connect. or use BSSID |
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| 00:02.47 | mentor | There are at least 5 other ways to get the SSID if broadcast is turned of |
| 00:02.48 | mentor | f |
| 00:03.13 | mentor | And it doesn't hide traffic at all; it is trivial to see an access point is there |
| 00:03.54 | Vasistha | has anyone else been having internet connectivity trouble yesterday and today? My connections, and those of several friends in the area, have all been flaky since yesterday. |
| 00:04.07 | mentor | "the area"? |
| 00:04.17 | Vasistha | Los Angeles |
| 00:04.18 | mentor | I hear Egypt is having trouble with connectivity |
| 00:04.33 | Vasistha | yeah, I've heard that, too. |
| 00:04.45 | Vasistha | friends and I agreed that our connectivity difficulties were probably not as bad. |
| 00:05.28 | mentor | A French ISP has set up a free dial-up, which is nice. |
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| 00:07.04 | Tordek | hmm |
| 00:07.15 | Tordek | do I need to run some update command after I visudo? |
| 00:08.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | no. what change did you make? |
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| 00:10.13 | Tordek | Kamping_Kaiser: I want my user (tordek) to be able to pg_dumpall without a password, as the user postgres. I added "tordek ALL=(postgres) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/pg_dumpall" at EOF |
| 00:11.29 | mr_chris | Vasistha: You're right. Eff this. I'm going wicd. |
| 00:11.56 | Vasistha | mr_chris: :) |
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| 00:12.43 | Vasistha | mr_chris: hopefully squeeze wifi is better than lenny... I have difficulty connecting to maybe 1 in 3 random wireless networks. |
| 00:13.21 | mr_chris | Vasistha: I was running Linux Mint Debian for awhile which is squeeze based. It worked well. |
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| 00:14.01 | Vasistha | mr_chris: that's nice to hear. I frequently have difficulty with either dhcp settings or route tables not being set automatically |
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| 00:14.29 | Vasistha | and then there are those other problems, e.g. Santa Monica's CityWifi blocks access on all ports except 80 |
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| 00:18.17 | mr_chris | That's weak sauce |
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| 00:20.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | Tordek: i've not tried that, so i probably can't hgelp you there |
| 00:20.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | sorry about the lag, btw |
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| 00:29.52 | Tordek | Kamping_Kaiser: hah, np; I just removed the (ALL) and it worked |
| 00:30.06 | Tordek | I mean the (postgres) |
| 00:30.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | Tordek: nice work |
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| 00:58.05 | nvz | !test |
| 00:58.05 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 00:58.09 | nvz | figured |
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| 00:58.28 | nvz | had the feeling I accidentally ignored the whole channel |
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| 01:03.51 | mentor | sneaks up to nvz and whispers "Wooooooooo" in his ear |
| 01:04.14 | nvz | o.O |
| 01:04.38 | nvz | feels like a ghost town in here anymore |
| 01:04.49 | nvz | just hopped on OFTC to see if it was just here or what |
| 01:04.58 | nvz | not really shit happening there either |
| 01:05.18 | nvz | strings his guitar |
| 01:06.03 | snowsnakes | can someone help me out |
| 01:06.05 | mentor | Everyone's out on the streets, obviously. |
| 01:06.15 | nvz | snowsnakes: with? |
| 01:06.18 | snowsnakes | I'm looking to clean up some space on my embedded install and I have a list od packages I would like to delete |
| 01:06.38 | nvz | go for it |
| 01:06.39 | snowsnakes | but I don't know enough to tell if they are needed... I read the package docs and I think I have a list of stuff I don't need |
| 01:06.58 | mentor | Define "needed"? |
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| 01:07.03 | snowsnakes | http://pastebin.com/kfX7s9W8 |
| 01:07.09 | nvz | how are we suppose to tell you what you need? :-p |
| 01:07.14 | snowsnakes | required to run a bare lamp embedded system |
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| 01:07.51 | mentor | snowsnakes: Mark them all as automatic and see if aptitude removes them? |
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| 01:09.44 | snowsnakes | hmmm... I'm looking to take aptitude out |
| 01:09.51 | snowsnakes | lol... is there another way to do that? |
| 01:11.43 | nvz | looks at mentor from a safe distance, avoiding encounters of the annoying kind |
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| 01:12.27 | _Dave123_ | I am going to install phpmyadmin as dpkg package, are there any possible security risks? the server is not accessible from outside the internal network (only 1 user) |
| 01:12.33 | mentor | snowsnakes: Remove aptitude last |
| 01:12.42 | _Dave123_ | I mean, is it possible to send contents of a database to phpmyadmin? |
| 01:12.47 | _Dave123_ | without me knowing |
| 01:13.10 | mentor | _Dave123_: Do you trust your internal network? |
| 01:13.37 | _Dave123_ | mentor: yep |
| 01:13.44 | _Dave123_ | mentor: just not sure about phpma code |
| 01:13.59 | _Dave123_ | the mysql database i am maintaining contains sensitive data |
| 01:14.30 | mentor | _Dave123_: So, it would be bad if the internal network saw the sensitive data? |
| 01:14.57 | _Dave123_ | yea, but there is only 1 pc on it |
| 01:15.00 | _Dave123_ | so thats not the risk |
| 01:15.23 | mentor | So, what attack profile are you looking at? |
| 01:15.39 | _Dave123_ | just that phpma for some reason steals data or sends it back |
| 01:16.25 | mentor | Well, I don't think it does that, nor have I heard anyone finding out about it |
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| 01:16.33 | mentor | But I haven't checked or anything |
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| 01:17.46 | _Dave123_ | ok |
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| 01:18.00 | mentor | _Dave123_: You should ensure the integrity of the route of delivery of the package. |
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| 01:18.14 | mentor | Make usre you have openssl-blacklist installed as well |
| 01:18.39 | _Dave123_ | what does that do? |
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| 01:19.45 | _Dave123_ | Is there a tool for debian that makes it possible to forbid any outgoing connection? |
| 01:19.46 | mentor | _Dave123_: Blacklists various keys resultant from the great random number generator failure |
| 01:19.54 | mentor | _Dave123_: ifdown eth0 |
| 01:20.18 | _Dave123_ | what does this do? |
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| 01:20.29 | mentor | _Dave123_: it turns off eth0 |
| 01:20.29 | snowsnakes | so I ran 'aptitude markauto' but it says it didn't remove anything |
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| 01:21.26 | mentor | You probably have to then take some further package management operation |
| 01:23.20 | snowsnakes | like what? |
| 01:23.53 | mentor | install/remove/upgrade? |
| 01:25.38 | snowsnakes | hmmm.... remove didn't do it |
| 01:25.49 | snowsnakes | when I did install it says it will install exim4 and remove a bunch of other stuff |
| 01:25.56 | snowsnakes | but why is it installing exim4?? |
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| 01:32.30 | extor | Would lenny possibly have a backport of this driver available? http://ircbots.nanonanonano.net/factoid.php?key=82579 |
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| 01:36.31 | mentor | snowsnakes: Because you removed another mail-transfer-agent |
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| 01:38.23 | snowsnakes | but I don't want any MTA... |
| 01:38.28 | snowsnakes | I don't think I'm understanding this |
| 01:38.45 | mentor | snowsnakes: Unix requires a MTA, really. Try nullmailer |
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| 01:40.07 | snowsnakes | nullmailer looks neat, thanks |
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| 02:12.59 | tazy | hello, i got a allways reappearing problem (after instal & few reboots). Xorg crashes with some error about "could not open /dev/nvidia1" on PCI slot 4:0. nvidia's binary driver was installed which worked the first few reboots. o.O. can the ReiserFS filesystem somehow caused that? since the error log said Xorg sergementation fault..(Debian squeeze multiarch b1 dvd) |
| 02:14.47 | nvz | Can I resume packaging on this without recompiling? http://paste.debian.net/106050/ |
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| 02:15.59 | nvz | tazy: is the kernel driver loaded? Are you sure you're still using the same kernel? |
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| 02:16.19 | nvz | tazy: if somehow you upgraded the kernel, your driver is broken and needs to be reinstalled/recompiled |
| 02:16.27 | tazy | yeah kernel driver is loaded i made shure of that |
| 02:16.29 | nvz | thats the downside to using the nvidia binary |
| 02:17.23 | tazy | its just wierd. sometimes it works then i get the error. now i wanted to screenshot it. that freaking dam thing worked again |
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| 02:17.47 | nvz | shrugs |
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| 02:18.07 | tazy | so nevermind then >.< |
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| 02:19.16 | nvz | Idk what I am doing wrong these days that causes these damn version errors when compiling a kernel |
| 02:20.09 | nvz | I'd like to know what I am suppose to do before I go hack version.h to get on with my life here.. heh |
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| 02:27.42 | reklipz | There's a bug in xserver-xorg-input-wacom packaged with Squeeze; it is fixed in a new release of the linuxwacom project; is it likely this will get included in Squeeze before it's released? |
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| 02:29.01 | nvz | reklipz: is it on the debian BTS? |
| 02:29.24 | reklipz | nvz: I don't believe so, but that's where I was headed after I did this bit of research. |
| 02:29.33 | mentor | Best file it |
| 02:29.36 | nvz | reklipz: I for one won't do shit about it.. and if you don't check the BTS and report it than nobody else will either |
| 02:29.39 | mentor | Otherwise it definitely won't |
| 02:30.30 | reklipz | I wasn't so much interested in whether or not it would get fixed, but how the freezing/releaseing/bugfixes/updates work; if there was any point in me filing a bug |
| 02:30.33 | nvz | so, I'll ask again, can I relatively easily solve this error, and resume packaging my kernel without recompiling? http://paste.debian.net/106050/ |
| 02:31.21 | nvz | reklipz: yes, there is a point in filing a bug if its a release critical or security issue it will need to be resolved for squeeze, otherwise it will probably not happen til next release |
| 02:31.37 | nvz | reklipz: either way reporting a bug is not really a waste of time |
| 02:32.05 | reklipz | nvz: agreed, that's why I didn't just go do it; I decided to come here and figure a few things out first is all. |
| 02:32.18 | reklipz | err... I always planned to do it, I mean. |
| 02:32.19 | nvz | reklipz: the clock is ticking on squeeze so if you're concerned you need to get on the maintainers case ASAP |
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| 02:33.06 | nvz | reklipz: tell them what you told us, its been fixed upstream.. if it can be easily fixed without changing the entire xorg, it will likely be done |
| 02:33.23 | reklipz | nvz: thanks for the infos |
| 02:33.38 | nvz | yeah, no problem.. |
| 02:34.19 | nvz | now I gotta go crudely hack version.h or dig around in the manuals since my question seems to be getting ignored in two debian channels |
| 02:34.21 | a3ther_ | what is the eta for squeeze? |
| 02:34.30 | nvz | a3ther_: /topic |
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| 02:34.50 | a3ther_ | thanks nvz |
| 02:34.52 | nvz | a3ther_: see also the release critical bugs list |
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| 02:36.17 | nvz | a3ther_: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ and http://release.debian.org/ |
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| 02:40.59 | a3ther_ | will the release happen when all the release critical bugs are fixed? or is their a stricter timeline? or will you/they wait if they are fixed before the 5th/6th? |
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| 02:48.14 | nvz | a3ther_: generally speaking a debian release is made when its ready.. i.e. when all RC bugs are solved either by being fixed or their packages removed |
| 02:48.52 | nvz | as for my problem a crude version.h hack seems to be out of the question.. it seems its a bug in kernel-package |
| 02:48.56 | nvz | blah |
| 02:49.31 | nvz | there is a proposed work around on an ubuntu forum, but it involves changing a few things and recompiling which I am trying to avoid doing |
| 02:49.53 | nvz | my f'n kernel IS compiled.. it just wont package cause the IRRELEVANT version info is wrong |
| 02:50.09 | nvz | I don't care what it calls its version, just so long as the damn thing packages.. heh |
| 02:50.53 | nvz | but obviously the crap it compiled is useless as a result of this bug |
| 02:51.21 | nvz | and in reality I think its the damn kernel developers who changed shit, and caused kernel-package to be useless now |
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| 02:51.38 | nvz | kinda would've liked to have known that before I spent hours compiling |
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| 02:56.36 | nvz | rolls his eyes and decides to keep the kernel he has, and abort getting the webcam and other shit that has never worked on this machine to work. |
| 02:57.10 | nvz | I'd feel a whole lot better if I knew who to slap for this.. |
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| 02:59.47 | nvz | for good measure I can just go slap the people in #d on OFTC.. they've been arguing for hours over nonsense |
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| 03:04.58 | echo-area | Is package `gtalk' the software for Google talk? |
| 03:05.15 | nvz | !info gtalk |
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| 03:05.48 | echo-area | nvz: I see nothing relation in that package's descripton, sigh :( |
| 03:05.52 | Hydroxide | echo-area: no. I don't think the official Google Talk client is redistributable, let alone free software, and it's Windows-only anyway. |
| 03:05.56 | dpkg | gtalk: (plug-in replacement for standard talk), section net, is optional. Version: 0.99.10-13 (sid), Packaged size: 132 kB, Installed size: 356 kB |
| 03:06.11 | Hydroxide | echo-area: however, there are plenty of programs in Debian that can act as Google Talk (i.e. Jabber/XMPP) clients |
| 03:06.17 | nvz | it seems gtalk has absolutely nothing to do with gtalk what-so-ever |
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| 03:06.28 | nvz | erm google talk |
| 03:06.39 | Hydroxide | nvz: that statement works two ways - GNU Talk likely predates Google Talk :) |
| 03:07.15 | echo-area | Hydroxide: Any suggestion? Is there anyone for KDE? |
| 03:07.20 | nvz | yeah, I had food in my hand at the time I was trying to let dpkg answer that for me |
| 03:07.23 | Hydroxide | echo-area: probably the standard KDE client, Kopete |
| 03:07.43 | Hydroxide | echo-area: also Pidgin, Empathy, etc. Pretty much any multiprotocol client and also any Jabber/XMPP client |
| 03:08.09 | mentor | echo-area: In general, Free Software tends to be protocol agnostic, and there are many client for many servers. |
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| 03:09.28 | nvz | mentor: the thing is though most ones I've seen only support instant messaging on most protocols they support. Google Talk as I understand has been slowly adding new features like Yahoo! and others have such as voice, webcam..etc |
| 03:10.02 | Hydroxide | nvz: Google Talk has been doing that via an open standard they created and worked with the Jabber community on |
| 03:10.03 | kingsley | What's the best music synthesis package? |
| 03:10.11 | Hydroxide | nvz: I think at least some other clients support that |
| 03:10.51 | nvz | kingsley: you've asked a question only you can answer.. either go find an answer, or try another question |
| 03:11.12 | Hydroxide | nvz: I certainly won't defend everything Google does, even with their IM service: e.g. I think people using group chats via the Gmail Chat web interface can't interoperate with standard jabber multi-user chats |
| 03:11.13 | mentor | XMPP is an RFC'ed standard |
| 03:11.40 | kingsley | Which music synthesis package includes the most instruments? |
| 03:11.43 | Hydroxide | nvz: but I don't think that applies to people with desktop clients, at least not free software desktop ones |
| 03:11.44 | mentor | kingsley: Define 'best' |
| 03:11.53 | Hydroxide | even via google's service |
| 03:12.14 | mentor | kingsley: Surely that more a matter of data packages? |
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| 03:12.21 | kingsley | mentor: Which music synthesis package includes the most instruments and drum beats? |
| 03:12.32 | mentor | I have absolutely no idea. |
| 03:12.36 | nvz | I wonder if adding "best" as one of the debtags would be more trouble than its worth.. heh |
| 03:12.42 | echo-area | Hydroxide: I see. Didn't notice the keyword "Jabber" previously, and didn't notice the Google Talk after Jabber in Kopete's panel. Now I'll try it. Thank you :) |
| 03:12.53 | mentor | removes the "best" tag from nvz |
| 03:12.55 | Hydroxide | echo-area: np :) |
| 03:13.08 | mentor | kingsley: I was rather under the impression that samples came separately though |
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| 03:14.24 | nvz | mentor: on the one hand it could give us an easy way to avoid the "best" question.. on the other hand its liable to create a buncha arguments over which packages are the best |
| 03:14.52 | mentor | But "best" is a completely subjective notion |
| 03:15.16 | mentor | Depending on what you are trying to achieve |
| 03:15.27 | nvz | yeah well I'm not arguing that.. I'm just tired of the top 10 most stupid questions I get asked time and time again |
| 03:15.30 | mentor | The most you could do is say: lots of people use this one |
| 03:15.58 | mentor | I've never had a case where the answer to that question does not depend on what they are trying to do. |
| 03:16.25 | mentor | So I'm not even sure the usage information would help |
| 03:16.46 | nvz | still a matter of opinion regardless |
| 03:17.41 | mentor | er⦠|
| 03:17.46 | mentor | Yes? |
| 03:18.07 | nvz | from my experience, we really dont have a very good synth in debian. The most worthwhile music production program in debian in my opinion is hydrogen |
| 03:18.29 | nvz | and even that as you pointed out comes with a limited dataset as far as samples are concerned.. the rest are obtainable online |
| 03:19.21 | nvz | terminatorx is fun to play with but its not incredibly useful |
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| 03:20.20 | mentor | More importantly, the question turned out to be nothing to do with the functioning of a synthesiser, but about how a large collection of samples could be attained. |
| 03:20.56 | kingsley | Nils^ on #lad wrote that some people would say Yoshimi is the best. |
| 03:21.52 | nvz | idk in most cases data files of like programs are fairly painlessly interchangable |
| 03:22.06 | mentor | Er, what? |
| 03:22.12 | mentor | Yes |
| 03:22.20 | mentor | tries to work out what nvz's point is |
| 03:22.38 | nvz | oh, well in that case.. don't hurt yourself |
| 03:22.46 | nvz | I don't require myself to make a point |
| 03:22.53 | mentor | It turned out he didn't actually care about the synthesiser at all. He just wanted samples. |
| 03:23.21 | nvz | a microphone tends to get you lots of samples |
| 03:24.11 | mentor | So does a reverse biased diode |
| 03:24.11 | nvz | waves his hand behind his back... someone should get a sample of this.. |
| 03:24.51 | nvz | hah.. |
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| 03:39.48 | t3a | "Failed to delete the item from the trash" |
| 03:39.56 | chipotle | how do i get a list of everything i have installed via aptitude? |
| 03:40.08 | t3a | aptitude |
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| 03:40.17 | t3a | navigate to installed |
| 03:40.40 | t3a | *installed packages |
| 03:40.41 | icebrain | !installed packages |
| 03:40.42 | dpkg | To list installed packages, dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; or aptitude search -F '%p' '~i'; or ask me about <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>. See also <installed test>. For one package, use "dpkg -l packagename" or "apt-cache policy packagename" or (from squeeze onwards) "aptitude versions packagename". |
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| 03:40.52 | tharkun | chipotle: dpkg -l|less -S |
| 03:40.54 | t3a | !empty trash |
| 03:41.12 | tharkun | t3a: better do it from the console faster and cleaner |
| 03:41.20 | chipotle | tharkun: and to print a list just type dpkg -l|less -S >> ~/AptitudePackageList.txt ? |
| 03:41.26 | t3a | thats what i thought, but im looking for the command |
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| 03:42.00 | tharkun | chipotle: dpkg -l > whatever.name.you.want |
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| 03:42.35 | mentor | chipotle: /var/log/aptitude has a log if you didn't mean "How do I get a list of installed packages" |
| 03:42.37 | skilz | hi im having trouble installed debian at the aptitude sources part, something wrong with my network configuration, my server is ubuntu, ip 10.1.1.1, running firestarter to share the connection, the debian client pc is 10.1.1.2, I edited /etc/resolv.conf and put in the nameservers, so it should be working but its not |
| 03:43.04 | mentor | skilz: Can you ping google? |
| 03:43.09 | tharkun | t3a: ls -a to look for the subdir that holds the trash |
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| 03:43.21 | skilz | no, ping tools are not installed yet |
| 03:43.27 | skilz | its the minimal install |
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| 03:43.40 | tharkun | i can't recall the name but enter it and on both subdirs remove every piece you find |
| 03:43.43 | t3a | whats -a? home? |
| 03:44.05 | skilz | mentor, I can't even ifconfig :/ |
| 03:44.12 | tharkun | t3a: man ls will explain it better iirc -a == --all |
| 03:44.20 | mentor | skilz: Er, are you still in the installer? |
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| 03:44.34 | skilz | yes |
| 03:44.36 | mentor | t3a: Show .files |
| 03:44.44 | mentor | I thought busybox had a ping. |
| 03:44.53 | t3a | well i dont see it in there tharkun |
| 03:44.53 | skilz | but I opened a new tty, ctrl+alt F1 |
| 03:45.15 | skilz | should I finish the install and reboot? |
| 03:45.26 | tharkun | t3a: what de are you using? |
| 03:45.34 | t3a | gnome |
| 03:45.38 | mentor | skilz: What would you expect that to achieve? |
| 03:45.49 | mentor | busybox does have a poing |
| 03:45.50 | mentor | ping |
| 03:46.03 | tharkun | t3a: cd ~/.Trash |
| 03:46.07 | skilz | ifconfig, ping? |
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| 03:46.18 | mentor | skilz: eh? |
| 03:46.31 | skilz | how can I fix it? |
| 03:46.37 | skilz | why can't I use ifconfig? |
| 03:46.50 | mentor | I don't know |
| 03:46.54 | mentor | busybox has ifconfig too |
| 03:46.56 | skilz | hmmm |
| 03:47.11 | skilz | well it appears not... |
| 03:47.13 | skilz | *sigh* |
| 03:47.27 | t3a | where is trash though? |
| 03:48.16 | mentor | ~/.Trash? |
| 03:48.39 | t3a | sorry, but what is ~ |
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| 03:49.09 | t3a | sudo rm -fr ~/.Trash didnt work |
| 03:49.19 | mentor | t3a: Shout at it more |
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| 03:49.33 | t3a | ? |
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| 03:50.00 | mentor | t3a: Well, you didn't tell us what it said so that's the only advice I can possibly give |
| 03:50.13 | skilz | Im trying my luck with the graphical installer |
| 03:50.17 | t3a | debian:/# cd ~/.Trash |
| 03:50.18 | t3a | bash: cd: /root/.Trash: No such file or directory |
| 03:50.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | t3a: .local/share/Trash |
| 03:50.49 | mentor | What do you think this means? |
| 03:50.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | t3a: welcome to the standardised world :( |
| 03:51.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | fuck free desktop with a rake |
| 03:51.15 | mentor | skilz: man busybox should give a list of commands |
| 03:51.27 | mentor | skilz: The fact that it's graphical is unlikely to change the network |
| 03:51.48 | t3a | debian:/# cd /.local/share/Trash |
| 03:51.48 | t3a | bash: cd: /.local/share/Trash: No such file or directory |
| 03:52.01 | t3a | or is it .Trash |
| 03:52.20 | mentor | t3a: You can use "ls" to examine directories |
| 03:52.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | t3a: ah.... you are running as root? |
| 03:52.41 | t3a | yes\ |
| 03:52.46 | t3a | and yes, mentor |
| 03:52.51 | mentor | t3a: Try it. |
| 03:52.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | bleh. on your own |
| 03:53.00 | skilz | whats busybox? |
| 03:53.40 | skilz | hmm, I can't even see any eth0 activity on my firewall |
| 03:53.43 | skilz | somethings not right |
| 03:54.33 | mentor | skilz: It's a basic set of shell commands for space constrained systems |
| 03:54.40 | mentor | Like the Debian installer |
| 03:55.56 | mentor | skilz: busybox.net |
| 03:57.57 | skilz | well this minimal net installer doesnt have any net tools |
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| 04:00.28 | mentor | skilz: Which version is it? |
| 04:01.33 | skilz | the latest off the site |
| 04:01.43 | skilz | hey, on my server in the eth0 ipv4 settings |
| 04:01.50 | skilz | do I need to put anything for gateway? |
| 04:02.06 | skilz | or leave it as 0.0.0.0 |
| 04:02.23 | skilz | ppp0 is my internet connection, eth0 is my network, wanting to share ppp0 to eth0 |
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| 04:02.58 | mentor | To route, you need to set it up to route |
| 04:03.10 | mentor | You probably want to set it up to NAT though |
| 04:03.13 | skilz | I have with firestarter |
| 04:03.23 | mentor | Does it work? |
| 04:03.26 | skilz | I had it working with firestarter before |
| 04:03.33 | mentor | Can you test it? |
| 04:03.38 | skilz | no for some reason it does not |
| 04:03.41 | skilz | yes |
| 04:03.45 | skilz | im trying now |
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| 04:04.51 | skilz | it was working on ubuntu |
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| 04:05.24 | mentor | Your server or your client? |
| 04:05.44 | t3a | WAIT WHAT 248,055 items, totalling 128.0 TB |
| 04:05.58 | t3a | HOW DOES THIS EVEN HAPPEN? |
| 04:05.59 | skilz | I had a ubuntu client connected the same way and it had net access |
| 04:08.05 | tuv | skilz: have a look at shorewall |
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| 04:10.00 | t3a | /proc/kcore is 128TB o-o |
| 04:11.23 | skilz | oh wow |
| 04:11.27 | skilz | it just started working |
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| 04:14.27 | s3a | if i did ls *.odt for example it would show all odt files but if i wanted it to show all non-odt files how do i do that without using grep -v ? |
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| 04:16.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | s3a: probably a better qeustion for #bash |
| 04:17.03 | s3a | Kamping_Kaiser, k thanks, pasted it there |
| 04:17.35 | t3a | sup s3a |
| 04:18.27 | s3a | t3a, nm, did we speak b4 or no? |
| 04:18.35 | s3a | or u just speaking to me cuz ur a 3a lol |
| 04:18.37 | t3a | no, but we have similar names |
| 04:18.41 | s3a | lol |
| 04:18.57 | t3a | and you know im not copying you because i joined first |
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| 04:19.07 | t3a | what is a 3a? |
| 04:19.15 | s3a | us |
| 04:19.16 | t3a | some exclusive club i havent heard of? |
| 04:19.17 | t3a | oh |
| 04:19.36 | s3a | lol that would of sounded so nerdy |
| 04:21.21 | Bushmills | t3a: you should be able doing that by enabling extglobs, and inverting the pattern |
| 04:22.00 | t3a | do what? |
| 04:23.07 | Bushmills | ls !(*.odt) after enablung extglobs |
| 04:23.59 | s3a | Bushmills, thanks, i'm guessing extglobs is already enabled (whatever that is) |
| 04:24.14 | s3a | how do i find out the filesize of a file using the terminal? |
| 04:24.28 | t3a | oh, it didnt take long to confuse someone after you joined s3a |
| 04:24.43 | nvz | s3a: du -h |
| 04:25.37 | s3a | nvz, thanks |
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| 04:25.47 | Bushmills | ls *.!(odt) actually |
| 04:25.59 | lolufail | :D someone hacked a VM of mine, interesting new cronjob: http://pastebin.com/iLMsmgqD |
| 04:26.20 | t3a | suggested pidgin alternatives? |
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| 04:29.50 | s3a | Bushmills, both work |
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| 04:30.05 | s3a | t3a, empathy? |
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| 04:33.59 | Bushmills | stat can be used for obtaining info on files |
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| 04:35.53 | Bushmills | like start -c%s file |
| 04:35.56 | Bushmills | stat ... |
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| 04:43.47 | t3a | how do i get rid of kcore? |
| 04:44.35 | amphi | t3a: /proc/kcore ? |
| 04:44.43 | t3a | yes |
| 04:45.06 | t3a | its annoying the hell out of me |
| 04:45.13 | t3a | it says its 128tb |
| 04:45.13 | Bushmills | shutdown -h now |
| 04:45.16 | amphi | heh |
| 04:45.33 | amphi | mine too - strange coincidence |
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| 04:45.53 | t3a | did you just update amphi? |
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| 04:46.32 | amphi | ~33 hours ago |
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| 04:46.58 | t3a | oh, and has it been like that since then? |
| 04:47.27 | amphi | I haven't looked at the size of kcore in a long time |
| 04:47.38 | t3a | oh lol |
| 04:47.39 | amphi | so I couldn't say how long it's been that size |
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| 04:48.18 | amphi | perhaps it's growing⦠|
| 04:48.25 | t3a | no |
| 04:48.37 | t3a | its based on your processor |
| 04:48.48 | amphi | no? then I'll water it |
| 04:48.49 | t3a | and how many gb of memory it can use |
| 04:49.03 | t3a | ive been having memory problems all night |
| 04:49.08 | amphi | TB thank you |
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| 04:49.30 | t3a | first pidgin made an 800Gb log file and now i update and this |
| 04:49.55 | amphi | haha |
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| 04:51.36 | civpro | would anyone take the time out to help me with setting up a mail server? |
| 04:51.44 | civpro | ive been fighting it since 8am |
| 04:51.59 | civpro | i know its a pain |
| 04:52.01 | civpro | i hate doing it |
| 04:52.09 | metaphlex | I can't add repositories through synaptic. This appears to be a known issue, but I can't find the solution |
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| 04:52.44 | civpro | i was trying citadel but it seems like its a port issue |
| 04:54.19 | t3a | now xdiskusage says my home folder has 803Gb of permissions denied |
| 04:54.51 | dvs | metaphlex: enter it manually? |
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| 04:55.29 | metaphlex | dvs: from the apt/sources.list? |
| 04:55.34 | dvs | yes |
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| 04:56.07 | metaphlex | what i'm trying to add is just a ppa without an url. will it still work that way? |
| 04:56.38 | dvs | it needs a url eventually. |
| 04:57.17 | metaphlex | ok. does it figure that out from an update, or do I have to figure out why this website didn't give me an url? |
| 04:58.31 | dvs | it needs a url before it can update |
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| 04:59.15 | t3a | /dev/mapper/debian-home |
| 04:59.15 | t3a | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:59.17 | t3a | how? |
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| 05:00.57 | mentor | t3a: 5% is reserved for root |
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| 05:02.41 | t3a | no, how am i using 854gb? |
| 05:02.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | porn? |
| 05:03.00 | t3a | mentor, i only have 50gb of files in there |
| 05:03.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | wares? |
| 05:03.16 | mentor | t3a: I have even less idea about that than you do |
| 05:03.22 | mentor | hands t3a du -s |
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| 05:04.27 | t3a | 51953976. |
| 05:04.31 | mentor | t3a: If your computer has experienced an unplanned shutdown, you may also want to fsck your home |
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| 05:04.52 | t3a | like i said, 50gb |
| 05:05.02 | mentor | What directory was that in? |
| 05:05.10 | t3a | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:05.11 | amphi | t3a: perhaps you have a large ~/.xsession-errors - I let mine grow to over 2GB once |
| 05:05.35 | t3a | i had that problem earlier, it was 800gb of pidgin logs |
| 05:05.40 | t3a | and i though i deleted that |
| 05:05.43 | mentor | ... |
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| 05:05.54 | t3a | *thought |
| 05:05.55 | mentor | tries to calculate the wpm |
| 05:06.01 | t3a | no |
| 05:06.29 | t3a | it was an error log that was being added every second pidgin was on |
| 05:06.43 | mentor | It's possible that the total used count for the filesystem hasn't updated |
| 05:06.54 | t3a | how likely |
| 05:07.15 | mentor | Dunno |
| 05:07.23 | mentor | I'd fsck it really |
| 05:07.36 | t3a | but /proc is 128tb |
| 05:07.44 | t3a | because of /proc/kcore |
| 05:07.44 | mentor | huh |
| 05:07.55 | t3a | but i would think that it wouldnt count that |
| 05:08.15 | mentor | proc is a separate filesystem |
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| 05:09.54 | t3a | mentor |
| 05:10.10 | t3a | it says it will cause severe file damage |
| 05:10.22 | t3a | *filesystem damage |
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| 05:11.44 | mentor | t3a: Do a read only one |
| 05:11.49 | mentor | t3a: Or umount it |
| 05:12.00 | t3a | -r? |
| 05:12.11 | mentor | POssibly |
| 05:12.19 | mentor | I'd check the man page |
| 05:12.27 | t3a | or -n |
| 05:12.29 | t3a | make no changes |
| 05:12.41 | amphi | t3a: why not log in as root, and fsck /home ? or are / & /home not separate partitions |
| 05:12.47 | amphi | ? |
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| 05:13.09 | t3a | yes, they are |
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| 05:13.19 | mentor | "umount it"? |
| 05:13.42 | amphi | so you could umount /home & fsck it |
| 05:13.56 | t3a | im fscking /home as root |
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| 05:14.12 | t3a | /dev/mapper/debian-home: recovering journal |
| 05:14.44 | t3a | whats the command for unmounh |
| 05:14.47 | t3a | !unmount |
| 05:14.47 | dpkg | methinks unmount is how non-linux people spell <umount> |
| 05:15.03 | amphi | heh |
| 05:15.10 | mentor | dpkg botsnack |
| 05:15.11 | dpkg | aw, gee, mentor |
| 05:15.32 | t3a | umount: /home: device is busy. |
| 05:15.32 | t3a | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:15.32 | t3a | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:15.48 | t3a | dpkg botsnack |
| 05:15.48 | dpkg | aw, gee, t3a |
| 05:16.05 | amphi | you will need to log out your user session[s] |
| 05:16.27 | t3a | can i run x without a user session? |
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| 05:16.39 | mentor | Things using than files will need the filesystem |
| 05:16.44 | mentor | s/tahn/the/ |
| 05:16.56 | t3a | how do i exit user sessions? |
| 05:17.08 | amphi | t3a: you don't need X to run fsck |
| 05:17.17 | t3a | but then i wont have you guys |
| 05:17.33 | mentor | Thank God sort finally got -h |
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| 05:18.51 | amphi | yes, I've yearned tragically for that |
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| 05:19.45 | f3xy | women.debian.org is chock full of hotties :D |
| 05:19.54 | mentor | f3xy: You're an idiot |
| 05:20.13 | f3xy | I'll accept that :) |
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| 05:20.20 | mentor | Good. Moving on⦠|
| 05:21.07 | t3a | why does men.debian.org 404? |
| 05:21.23 | f3xy | Do you accept the fact that you are a judgmental wet noodle? :) |
| 05:22.15 | mentor | t3a: The reason women.debian.org has to exist is talking right next to you |
| 05:22.34 | f3xy | I'll take that as a yes |
| 05:22.37 | t3a | oh |
| 05:22.53 | Rusty1 | f3xy: troll here often, or just on weekends ? |
| 05:22.57 | t3a | f3xy, Margarita Manterola is so hot |
| 05:23.17 | f3xy | I'm no troll |
| 05:23.22 | amphi | !sunday |
| 05:23.23 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 05:23.40 | t3a | !monday |
| 05:23.42 | dpkg | Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see <tuesday> |
| 05:23.51 | t3a | !tuesday |
| 05:23.51 | dpkg | i heard tuesday is soylent green day |
| 05:23.55 | mentor | I thought Monday was an honorary Sunday |
| 05:24.02 | t3a | !wednesday |
| 05:24.02 | dpkg | i guess wednesday is hump day |
| 05:24.09 | t3a | !thursday |
| 05:24.09 | dpkg | "This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays." (Arthur Dent), or tight-underwear day. |
| 05:24.19 | t3a | !friday |
| 05:24.19 | dpkg | [friday] tardsday eve eve, or ! ! ! F R I D A Y ! ! ! |
| 05:24.31 | t3a | tardsady eve eve |
| 05:24.34 | amphi | !tell t3a -about msg the bot |
| 05:24.41 | t3a | !saturday |
| 05:24.41 | dpkg | somebody said saturday was Tardsday Eve |
| 05:24.54 | mentor | All time is an illusion. |
| 05:25.08 | f3xy | anyway a hottie is not just defined by their looks |
| 05:25.09 | t3a | why is sunday the day they all come here |
| 05:25.26 | f3xy | I'll go back to idling |
| 05:25.28 | mentor | f3xy: I never suggested they would be |
| 05:25.33 | f3xy | you bunch of negative nancies |
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| 05:26.01 | mentor | f3xy: Ok. Unless you have a Debian related query, I'm going to ask you to stop. |
| 05:26.03 | amphi | hmm⦠alliteration |
| 05:26.05 | t3a | do they have to do something "fun" before they go back to school on monday and get bullied |
| 05:26.10 | t3a | !hello |
| 05:26.10 | dpkg | Hi, t3a! |
| 05:26.17 | t3a | !how are you |
| 05:26.17 | dpkg | peachy, t3a |
| 05:26.28 | mentor | t3a: It's best not to feed the trolls |
| 05:26.33 | amphi | t3a: please /msg the bot |
| 05:26.40 | mentor | t3a: Also, stop playing with the bot |
| 05:26.41 | t3a | dpkg is the closest thing to ai i have seen |
| 05:26.41 | dpkg | t3a: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 05:26.56 | mentor | Heh |
| 05:26.57 | t3a | lol |
| 05:26.58 | amphi | haha |
| 05:27.02 | t3a | how ironic |
| 05:27.10 | mentor | We used to have some described as a problem to dpkg factoid converter |
| 05:28.19 | t3a | how bad is it to fsck without unmounting? |
| 05:28.49 | mentor | With a write fsck you will lose data. |
| 05:29.45 | t3a | indefinately? |
| 05:29.51 | mentor | Well |
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| 05:30.23 | amphi | t3a: very bad |
| 05:30.27 | mentor | I wouldn't expect it to magically reappear |
| 05:30.38 | t3a | ok |
| 05:30.44 | amphi | heh |
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| 05:30.58 | t3a | because i have an unsaved document that will close if i exit x to unmount |
| 05:31.07 | t3a | and i dont want to lose it |
| 05:31.08 | mentor | Save it? |
| 05:31.20 | mentor | looks at t3a oddly |
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| 05:31.28 | t3a | no diskspace, thats the whole reason i have to fsck silly |
| 05:31.38 | mentor | Save it in / |
| 05:31.40 | mentor | somewhere |
| 05:31.56 | t3a | not using the program as root |
| 05:32.02 | mentor | Create a writable dir in /root |
| 05:32.18 | t3a | lol |
| 05:32.34 | t3a | whats the number for writable? |
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| 05:32.47 | mentor | a+x |
| 05:32.48 | mentor | er |
| 05:32.51 | mentor | NO! |
| 05:32.53 | mentor | a+w |
| 05:33.11 | mentor | Meaning, all plus write |
| 05:33.18 | mentor | And I will step away from the return key |
| 05:34.34 | t3a | saving to /noodle |
| 05:35.23 | t3a | Could not open '/noodle/stm.xcf' for writing: Permission denied |
| 05:35.41 | mentor | ls -ld /noodle? |
| 05:36.09 | t3a | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 29 23:30 /noodle |
| 05:36.21 | mentor | That's not writable by other |
| 05:36.35 | mentor | chmod a+w /noodle |
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| 05:36.49 | t3a | oh |
| 05:36.55 | t3a | i did /noodle a+w |
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| 05:37.26 | mentor | permspec needs to come first |
| 05:37.30 | skilz | how can I change the console resolution? |
| 05:37.50 | skilz | what file do I edit? |
| 05:37.53 | mentor | skilz: er, with difficulty really. |
| 05:37.57 | niriven | so before i try it, does 6.0 have wpa_supplicant on the installer cd yet? (so i can manually get my connection via wpa before start the install) |
| 05:38.57 | t3a | k trying umount |
| 05:38.58 | f3xy | skilz: it's a kernel parameter |
| 05:39.04 | f3xy | vga |
| 05:39.15 | skilz | mentor, no, not really, I remember doing it in Ubuntu with great ease, was just quite some time ago, iirc, it was something to do with grub |
| 05:39.40 | f3xy | it's a pretty easy change |
| 05:39.48 | mentor | There are a limited number of VGA modes available |
| 05:39.58 | f3xy | try vga=791 for starters |
| 05:40.23 | skilz | /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 05:40.23 | mentor | Failing that there are some programs for old hardware that set the textmode clocks directly |
| 05:40.32 | mentor | Other than that you need native KMS drivers |
| 05:40.51 | skilz | I dont need any of that mate |
| 05:40.56 | skilz | what are you talking about |
| 05:41.02 | jhoe | http://kostallnetwork.blogspot.com |
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| 05:41.53 | niriven | ok i take it doesnt, how are people supposed to use the installer if all they have available is wireless, and its wpa, and the installer cd doesnt come with wpa_supplicant? |
| 05:43.17 | f3xy | oh mentor even though your a jerk face you should read this http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/2544 |
| 05:43.28 | f3xy | you're even :) |
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| 05:45.07 | skilz | what happened there? |
| 05:45.21 | mentor | I asked him to stop earlier |
| 05:45.46 | mentor | The comment was mildly abusive and unrelated. |
| 05:46.12 | mentor | I'm rather assuming he's working at the trolling angle |
| 05:48.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | niriven: use a different network. or use a 3rd party repsin with wpa support, i'm sure there will be a semi official one shortly after release |
| 05:48.53 | mentor | Well, I mean it should be just a matter of an extra debian-installer package |
| 05:49.01 | niriven | Kamping_Kaiser, :( i know those are possiblities but so inconvient, people have been using wpa for however long now and i cant even get the debian installer to allow me to manually setup my wpa network before install. |
| 05:49.10 | niriven | Kamping_Kaiser, oh well thanks. |
| 05:49.14 | mentor | But it doesn't seem to say anything about it in the documentation |
| 05:49.41 | mentor | iwl adapters need firmware as well |
| 05:50.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | niriven: see the relevant discussion on debian-devel list about 3-4 weeks ago |
| 05:50.36 | mentor | Kamping_Kaiser: linky? |
| 05:50.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | mentor: um. give me a few min |
| 05:51.00 | mentor | It's alright |
| 05:51.02 | mentor | I'll find it |
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| 05:51.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/10/msg00013.html |
| 05:51.55 | bonjoyee | how do i change the locale from US to UK? |
| 05:52.00 | mentor | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/11/msg00047.html |
| 05:52.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | its in the thread stemming from that announcedment |
| 05:52.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | mentor: ta |
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| 05:53.50 | skilz | hmm, i installed xserver-xorg |
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| 05:54.10 | skilz | and xfce4, but when I type 'X' it doesnt load xfce |
| 05:54.23 | skilz | just a screen with a x cursor |
| 05:54.25 | mentor | running X won't load anything |
| 05:54.31 | mentor | Try xinit |
| 05:54.39 | skilz | 'startx' does nothing |
| 05:54.42 | mentor | But you'll need a session with XFCE |
| 05:54.59 | mentor | You probably want a DM really. |
| 05:54.59 | skilz | ? |
| 05:55.22 | mentor | display manager |
| 05:55.28 | skilz | yes |
| 05:55.28 | skilz | how do I get that? |
| 05:55.31 | skilz | I though 'xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 05:55.35 | skilz | is what I need |
| 05:55.41 | mentor | That's a graphics driver |
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| 05:56.45 | skilz | what about the xorg ? |
| 05:57.17 | mentor | xorg is an meta package for an X windowing system |
| 05:57.20 | skilz | whats the package I need to run gnome, kde, xfce, fluxbox ect? |
| 05:57.37 | mentor | gnome, kde, xfce, fluxbox repectively |
| 05:57.42 | skilz | I need to install something so I can use them |
| 05:57.47 | skilz | what do I need? |
| 05:59.01 | skilz | xorg |
| 05:59.05 | skilz | never mind |
| 05:59.13 | skilz | debian is always changing things around |
| 05:59.27 | skilz | bugs me |
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| 05:59.30 | mentor | skilz: Try the desktop task? |
| 05:59.33 | skilz | you go from one distro to another and things are switched around |
| 05:59.52 | mentor | I can assure you the Debian does the slowest changing everything around of any distribution :P |
| 05:59.54 | skilz | mentor, wtf are you talking about? |
| 06:00.27 | skilz | I haven't used deb and ian's distro for about 5 years |
| 06:00.34 | mentor | Using tasksel, or in the tasks section of aptitude |
| 06:00.57 | mentor | skilz: Oh! So this will be one new stable release on then |
| 06:00.59 | skilz | nah I dont like that |
| 06:01.11 | mentor | Well, good luck then |
| 06:01.45 | skilz | im installing packages manually just what I need |
| 06:01.45 | skilz | I just installed 'xorg' |
| 06:01.47 | skilz | everything works fine now |
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| 06:01.51 | skilz | ^_^ |
| 06:02.12 | skilz | why didnt you just tell me thats what I needed? |
| 06:02.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | why didn't you just install it to start with? :p |
| 06:02.41 | mentor | skilz: What makes you assume that I'm deliberately trying to forestall you? |
| 06:03.07 | mentor | skilz: Perhaps you might assume that I don't really have a clue what you're talking about, and you're not really putting any effort into changing that? |
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| 06:04.42 | bamccaig_ | Is there a nice wiki page with the default debian repository URIs? I just got hold of a VPS that is obviously configured for the host's local repos, which I don't care for. |
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| 06:05.22 | mentor | bamccaig_: There's a list of mirrors on debian.org and also... apt-spy? ... which can pick the fastest for you |
| 06:05.39 | skilz | mentor, I make my question pretty clear... |
| 06:05.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | i thought one was provided as an example file in the distro? |
| 06:05.52 | skilz | mentor, <skilz> whats the package I need to run gnome, kde, xfce, fluxbox ect? |
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| 06:06.08 | boxbeatsy | hi, i'm on an ubuntu server, and i'm finding that my python scripts are randomly terminating. i don't have any apparent internal or external signals that would cause this, so i'm thinking that it is a memory issue. does anyone know where i should look for logs to confirm this? |
| 06:06.10 | doubleukay | if your host keeps their mirror updated regularly, don't see why you wouldn't use theirs |
| 06:06.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | boxbeatsy: ask in #ubuntu-server |
| 06:06.23 | skilz | mentor, Isn't the answer obviously 'xorg'? |
| 06:06.29 | boxbeatsy | Kamping_Kaiser: k, thx |
| 06:06.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | skilz: why isn't the obvious answer 'gnome'? |
| 06:06.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | if you want to run gnome |
| 06:06.59 | skilz | Kamping_Kaiser, because not everyone wants to run 'gnome'... |
| 06:07.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | 06:05:52 < skilz> mentor, <skilz> whats the package I need to run gnome, [...] |
| 06:07.30 | skilz | Kamping_Kaiser, you don't install gnome to run fluxbox wtf dude??? |
| 06:08.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | bamccaig_: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list is the file i was thinking of |
| 06:08.10 | skilz | Kamping_Kaiser, if you read on, my question is directed to any WM |
| 06:08.29 | skilz | I'm talking about being able to run ANY WM |
| 06:08.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | shrug. |
| 06:08.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | moves on |
| 06:09.17 | skilz | goes to the other room |
| 06:09.37 | doubleukay | wow, rage quit. lol. |
| 06:09.43 | f3xy | You know that wasn't very nice. I was just sharing an article on bc. Which you did ask a question about earlier it was in lastlog :p |
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| 06:24.45 | mentor | skilz: I'd say then, that your question wasn't clear in any way. |
| 06:24.54 | mentor | skilz: Hence my point. |
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| 06:29.47 | bamccaig_ | Kamping_Kaiser: Thank you. :) That looks good. |
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| 06:32.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | bamccaig_: np :) |
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| 06:32.48 | mr_chris | I'm trying to run nm-applet and gnome-keyring without gnome. Nm-applet runs fine but even though gnome-keyring-daemon is running I'm unable to save password I enter into nm-applet. How do I get gnome-keyring manager to function? |
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| 06:43.20 | holoseen | I am getting a msg that there are a lot of packages that were installed but no longer needed. Scares me to remove them: Here are the first: mesa-utils python-bugbuddy xdg-user-dirs-gtk libpcsclite1 |
| 06:43.54 | holoseen | Should I autoremove them? |
| 06:44.06 | holoseen | environment is squeeze |
| 06:44.59 | sterna | if you're not using them, you can remove them |
| 06:45.04 | sterna | no other package needs them |
| 06:45.18 | sterna | i think most of these have been deprecated for quite a while |
| 06:45.50 | holoseen | sterna, one of them is package shotwell, but that is installed. I don't understand... |
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| 06:48.29 | sterna | shotwell depends on one of these? |
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| 06:49.44 | holoseen | I don't really know how to troubleshoot this msg or if shotwell can be safely uninstalled because another shotwell will replace it. |
| 06:50.19 | holoseen | sterna, if these packages are deprecated, why is apt-get just now informing me? |
| 06:50.30 | holoseen | install is pretty old. |
| 06:50.39 | sterna | have you just upgraded? |
| 06:50.51 | holoseen | yes, apt-get upgrade every day. |
| 06:51.05 | sterna | and this is the first time you've seen autoremove hint? |
| 06:51.09 | holoseen | yes |
| 06:51.26 | holoseen | odd? |
| 06:51.38 | sterna | i don't know, shouldn't think so |
| 06:52.15 | holoseen | google had little to say about this issue so that makes me think a autoremove is safe, but... |
| 06:52.22 | sterna | since squeeze is coming out soon, i guess a few packages will get touched |
| 06:52.32 | sterna | it usually is safe |
| 06:52.52 | holoseen | maybe a backup is called for, before I do this? |
| 06:53.25 | sterna | backup is always called for, but i don't remember having trouble over running autoremove |
| 06:53.39 | sterna | but since squeeze is quite fluid i'd wait a couple of days |
| 06:53.48 | sterna | and apt-get update before trying |
| 06:54.47 | holoseen | ok. will wait. but I will do backup now while it is on my mind. Thanks. |
| 06:55.02 | boxbeatsy | hi, how does ubuntu determine which process to terminate when it's all out of memory? |
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| 06:55.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | holoseen: hae you removed any metapcckags while installing/upgrading recently? |
| 06:55.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | boxbeatsy: try in #ubuntu |
| 06:55.32 | holoseen | Kamping_Kaiser, no. my box is pretty static. |
| 06:56.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | holoseen: the trick with those packages is they were installed as dependencies of something, so now the something is gone apt thinks its fine to remove them |
| 06:56.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | holoseen: if apt has been confused somehow, it might now think things you installed manually are automatic, but hopefully that won't happen (often?) |
| 06:56.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | holoseen: simply apt-get install foo them it'll mark them as something you want |
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| 06:57.02 | holoseen | nothing installed manually that I know of. What is manually really? |
| 06:57.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | by you |
| 06:57.20 | sterna | boxbeatsy: read about OOM killer and scoring |
| 06:57.27 | holoseen | working with .deb files directly? |
| 06:57.40 | sterna | boxbeatsy: it doesn't really work very well but it can be tuned a bit |
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| 06:58.21 | holoseen | I install by apt-get only. So no manual installs, right? |
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| 06:58.41 | boxbeatsy | sterna: cool, thanks! |
| 06:59.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | holoseen: no, thats what manual means in this case. vs automatic, which means tings pulled in as dependencies |
| 07:00.26 | mentor | holoseen: If you use aptitude it will log what it does anyway |
| 07:00.42 | holoseen | aptitude is giving me a red warning area now. |
| 07:01.23 | mentor | hitting b will go to broken packages |
| 07:02.20 | holoseen | yep. it is highlighting three things I did uninstall: openoffice draw impress and math. |
| 07:03.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | sigh |
| 07:03.52 | mentor | If you uninstalled them, they shouldn't be red |
| 07:04.14 | mentor | holoseen: hitting return will give you a package view, which will tell you why they're broken |
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| 07:05.47 | holoseen | I don't really care about openoffice. do you think it is safe to autoremove? |
| 07:06.33 | mentor | safe? |
| 07:07.00 | mentor | You might suddenly be without the ability to balance your chequebook! |
| 07:07.01 | holoseen | as in, no uninstall of other packages that I need. |
| 07:07.32 | holoseen | :-) |
| 07:08.07 | holoseen | I am going to backup with clonezilla and then autoremove. thanks. |
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| 07:08.52 | mentor | You can just reinstall them |
| 07:08.57 | mentor | sighs |
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| 07:10.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | it must be sunday |
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| 07:14.43 | bonjoyee | i did 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' and selected en.UK_UTF8 is this sufficient to add UK English..? |
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| 07:19.37 | bonjoyee | sorry read en.UK UTF-8 as en_GB UTF-8 |
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| 08:00.13 | baldrailers | hello world |
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| 08:02.05 | cads | hey, is there a debian based enterprise desktop distribution with strong virtualization support? |
| 08:04.20 | cads | brb. Reboot. |
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| 08:07.27 | afxx | cads, what about qubes-os ? it is not debian based i think but it is a interesting approach using virtualization :) |
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| 08:09.30 | cads | hmm, that's got a lot of features that I'd like to have |
| 08:10.09 | cads | I really just want to have a VM lab to take the danger out of many computing experiments |
| 08:10.34 | afxx | then virtualbox is your friend :D |
| 08:10.44 | cads | so far I'm having trouble finding an OS that has that and also good desktop support |
| 08:10.46 | afxx | if its for experiments only... |
| 08:11.51 | cads | well I'd also like to deploy it on computers for other people's projects |
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| 08:12.22 | afxx | the cubes-os approach is to have a transparent usage just like a normal desktop but with isolation of the sensitive applications but maybe thats not the case here |
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| 08:12.46 | afxx | if i was you i will tell them to just use virtualbox for their tests if thats possible |
| 08:12.56 | cads | yeah, that's not necessarily the case here - I'd like to also be able to dissolve the desktop analogy |
| 08:13.22 | cads | yeah, I will try virtual box and see how easily I can automate things |
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| 08:14.38 | afxx | thats does not answer your question but... at least it is a user friendly vm :) |
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| 08:16.10 | afxx | works pretty well and at least the binary version has RDP for the lazy windows clients if you need network access :) |
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| 08:17.19 | bonjoyee | how to add/install en_GB locale in squeeze? |
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| 08:24.54 | mentor | bonjoyee: /etc/default/locale |
| 08:25.48 | bonjoyee | mentor: i already did "dpkg-reconfigure locale" and enabled en_GB but it says its not installed |
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| 08:27.01 | mentor | bonjoyee: What exactly does it say? |
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| 08:27.54 | bonjoyee | mentor: actually this is an install done from the minimal cd...so i think i have to add the en_GB locale? |
| 08:28.13 | mentor | locales usually contains all locales |
| 08:28.22 | bonjoyee | mentor: during install i had chosen en_US... |
| 08:30.29 | bonjoyee | mentor: so is a reboot needed after dpkg-reconfigure locale? |
| 08:31.00 | mentor | Well, most programs will need to be restarted to load the new locale |
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| 08:31.15 | mentor | bonjoyee: ls /usr/share/il8n/locales/ |
| 08:31.32 | mentor | bonjoyee: But the locale should be generated fine |
| 08:32.27 | bonjoyee | mentor: ok....lemme see |
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| 09:00.15 | bonjoyee | mentor: thank you very much...i have successfully changed the default language to en_GB!:) |
| 09:00.26 | mentor | good |
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| 09:00.50 | mentor | and hopefully you're using UTF8 too |
| 09:00.52 | bonjoyee | mentor: now how to install spellcheck for it in openoffice.org? |
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| 09:01.06 | Jinko | good morning |
| 09:01.16 | bonjoyee | mentor: yes...UTF-8 |
| 09:01.20 | mentor | !tell bonjoyee about search |
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| 09:02.37 | bonjoyee | mentor: i have already done quite a bit of searching...but cant find hunspell en-gd anywhere! |
| 09:02.40 | bonjoyee | gb* |
| 09:02.55 | mentor | search for dictionary |
| 09:03.01 | tdn | I have just intalled updates on my squeeze server. The upgrade gave me some warnings that I am not sure what to make of: http://paste.adora.dk/P1933.txt (at the bottom). I hope you can tell me what this means. Is it safe to reboot the machine? |
| 09:04.29 | bonjoyee | theres only hunspell-ca hunspell-us hunspell-es? |
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| 09:05.25 | bonjoyee | mentor: will myspell-en-gb work with openoffice? |
| 09:05.26 | mentor | erg |
| 09:05.30 | mentor | dunno |
| 09:07.22 | bonjoyee | mentor: ok..thanks..sorry to bother.. |
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| 09:07.34 | babilen | just try it :) |
| 09:07.49 | mentor | bonjoyee: Sorry, I just don't know what's going on there |
| 09:07.56 | mentor | yeah SIAS |
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| 09:08.43 | bonjoyee | mentor: babilen: thanks...it does work:) |
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| 09:27.23 | tdn | What does this mean? cryptsetup: WARNING: failed to detect canonical device of 'UUID=d1cf036c-c05e-48a5-b584-6e4aee745046' |
| 09:27.33 | tdn | Happened during apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 09:29.50 | mentor | tdn: It means it doesn't know which partition is which |
| 09:30.04 | mentor | tdn: It sounds like there might be a duplicate |
| 09:30.20 | TimmyT | using 64bit edition of debian doesn't cause low battery life in laptop? |
| 09:30.28 | mentor | er? |
| 09:30.46 | kah | TimmyT: uh? |
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| 09:31.34 | TimmyT | kah: the question is obvious . What's your problem? |
| 09:31.37 | kah | TimmyT: using 64bit edition of debian allows you to use more than 4GB or ram |
| 09:31.39 | tdn | mentor, what causes this? How do I debug and fix it? |
| 09:31.54 | kah | of ram |
| 09:32.14 | kah | TimmyT: it doesn't inflence the battery usage |
| 09:32.27 | tdn | I have 4 GB RAM in my laptop. I use 64bit, but free -m shows: 3899. Is this normal? |
| 09:32.35 | mentor | TimmyT: There's never been any particular suggestion of a relation between memory word length and battery life? |
| 09:32.48 | kah | tdn: are you using an integrated video card? |
| 09:32.59 | tdn | kah, maybe. Not sure. Could be. |
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| 09:33.15 | tdn | kah, it is an nvidia quadro. |
| 09:33.24 | kah | uh |
| 09:33.37 | kah | so it isn't |
| 09:34.58 | TimmyT | kah: hmm? I want to install a amd 64 version of debian on my laptop. I'm affraid if it uses more battery |
| 09:35.11 | mentor | tdn: Did you copy a filesystem? |
| 09:35.19 | kah | TimmyT: don't worry |
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| 09:35.39 | kah | TimmyT: how much memory do you have? |
| 09:35.44 | mentor | tdn: maybe use uuid-tools to have a look at your filesystems |
| 09:35.51 | TimmyT | 1 GB |
| 09:36.00 | kah | TimmyT: use the 32bit edition |
| 09:36.32 | mentor | I'd go with the 64 bit |
| 09:36.51 | kah | you shouldn't have any improovement using the 64bit |
| 09:37.04 | kah | and should have performance loss on some grafic driver |
| 09:37.39 | kah | sorry for my english ,_, |
| 09:37.44 | mentor | On the contrary, the increase in registers in AMD64 generally provides benefits for ocde |
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| 09:37.57 | TimmyT | does intel atom N550 processor support amd64 feature? |
| 09:38.08 | mentor | I doubt it? |
| 09:38.15 | mentor | See wikipedia |
| 09:38.52 | jelly-home | mentor: and the enlarged size of the code makes the cache less useful and code execution slower |
| 09:39.36 | mentor | hmmm |
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| 09:40.24 | jelly-home | can't know in advance whether an app works better as i386 or amd64, best to bemchmark it |
| 09:41.03 | jelly-home | !lm |
| 09:41.03 | dpkg | well, lm is "long mode": grep -w lm /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 09:41.43 | jelly-home | TimmyT: if you have a linux livecd or liveusb, the command above tells you about 64bit capability of the cpu |
| 09:42.34 | jelly-home | personally I wouldn't bother with amd64 on a 1GiB netbook |
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| 09:44.03 | jelly-home | on the other hand, Debian in particular builds software to work on very old (486) processors and doesn't use newer features, but amd64 ABI by default uses SSE instruction set and some other stuff |
| 09:44.10 | tdn | mentor, what to look for? |
| 09:44.16 | tdn | mentor, I did not copy a filesystem. |
| 09:44.27 | tdn | mentor, just installed updates. |
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| 11:06.04 | ham5 | how can you allow a user to only run aptitude with sudo you mean? |
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| 11:09.27 | ham5 | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/allow-a-normal-user-to-run-commands-as-root.html |
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| 11:10.09 | ham5 | mr arch kernel |
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| 11:14.52 | babilen | manizzle: "man sudoers" for all the gory details |
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| 11:23.25 | format_c | ls -lh /etc/rc*.d/*ssh for example |
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| 11:30.03 | _Dave123_ | Is there a tool for debian that makes it possible to forbid any outgoing connection? |
| 11:30.24 | AimHere | iptables |
| 11:31.08 | AimHere | You ought to have it installed already |
| 11:31.16 | _Dave123_ | ok i check it |
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| 11:31.27 | _Dave123_ | is there a way phpmyadmin debian package can steal data from my database? |
| 11:31.54 | mentor | Not again |
| 11:32.24 | mentor | _Dave123_: You can stop any outgoing traffic, but that will stop all incoming traffic too really |
| 11:32.51 | _Dave123_ | mentor: can you explain how come? |
| 11:33.09 | mentor | _Dave123_: Er, well |
| 11:33.15 | _Dave123_ | When I visit my webserver on p80 the only thing I do is requesting data right? |
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| 11:33.36 | mentor | _Dave123_: Yeah, and then the data goes /out/ to you |
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| 11:34.14 | _Dave123_ | ok |
| 11:34.46 | mentor | Er |
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| 11:34.57 | mentor | I think you can stop network access using cgroups |
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| 11:35.17 | mentor | Given that, you're running an application that requires net access |
| 11:35.23 | mentor | however |
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| 11:37.15 | mentor | _Dave123_: Why this particular worry about phpmyadmin and none of the other software on your system? |
| 11:37.23 | mentor | _Dave123_: Are you running a dodgy version of it? |
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| 11:38.03 | _Dave123_ | no, but i heard bad stories about phpma, and the other software running are only debian packages like mysql, apache which i trust |
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| 11:39.11 | mentor | Use postgres and phppgadmin |
| 11:39.16 | mentor | phppgadmin is much better anyway |
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| 11:39.34 | mentor | _Dave123_: Stories from where? |
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| 11:45.11 | dutchfish | _Dave123_: the throught is that phpmyadmin is no more safe|unsafe then the underlying scripting where it is made off, if you worried about data loss from your db you should harden your system the right way. debian already provides a patched php version but there is much more to it. phpmyadmin is as safe within this context as it can be. no more and no less. |
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| 11:49.03 | _Dave123_ | dutchfish: ok got it |
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| 11:53.13 | dutchfish | _Dave123_: you could start by running mysql on a dif machine and byusing phpmyadmin within a vlan accesable only, even that can run on a different machine as long as your connections to the mysql server in the backend are encrupted. |
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| 11:53.35 | dutchfish | s/encrupted/encrypted |
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| 11:54.13 | tekzilla | what do you guys use for a GUI FTP client ? whenever i need one i use kasablanca but its rather bad.. |
| 11:54.37 | BlackFate | tekzilla, filezilla |
| 11:54.59 | brandFU | transmit |
| 11:55.02 | ham5 | browser works good enought for me |
| 11:55.04 | tekzilla | BlackFate: stopped using it on windows a while back because it was saving passwords in clear text |
| 11:55.26 | BlackFate | tekzilla, then try gftrp |
| 11:55.29 | BlackFate | gftp |
| 11:55.53 | tekzilla | thanks everyone, i'll try them out |
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| 11:58.58 | metalfan_ | hi |
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| 12:00.55 | metalfan_ | mkdir /dev/cgroup && mount -t cgroup cpuset -ocpuset /dev/cgroup && cd /dev/cgroup && echo 0 >cpusets.cpus results in: permission denied (as root of course). is this not the right way to change the default cpuset? |
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| 12:02.24 | mentor | metalfan_: Er, which one of those actually results in the permission denied? |
| 12:02.31 | metalfan_ | the echo |
| 12:02.55 | metalfan_ | i did run them seperately, just posted it here this way |
| 12:03.23 | mentor | metalfan_: I'm not sure, but the permissions on the files will show in ls -l |
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| 12:04.30 | metalfan_ | rw r r |
| 12:04.38 | metalfan_ | so root should be able to write |
| 12:05.11 | mentor | I have no idea then |
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| 12:05.27 | mentor | When you do find out, whine at the kernel people for using the wrong error code |
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| 12:10.02 | dutchfish | metalfan_: i dont know for sure, but if i rem right i went through /sys see also: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.general/135979/focus=135987 |
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| 12:12.18 | metalfan_ | dutchfish, are you sure....they discuss about where to mount it? |
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| 12:13.23 | dutchfish | metalfan_: also: /usr/src/linux/Documentation/cgroups/cgroups.txt |
| 12:13.53 | dutchfish | metalfan_: yes, i am unsure too, but a few weeks back i tested it myself on /sys |
| 12:14.09 | metalfan_ | ive read that, also i managed to manipulate my own cgroup and put a unrar on the third core |
| 12:14.28 | metalfan_ | dutchfish, as you can see from the first postings, all the dev docs use /dev |
| 12:14.38 | joshb | hi, i'm having some trouble Internet-installing debian on a mainboard which says it supports atheros AR8131M/AR8132M LAN, but it's not detected or listed |
| 12:14.42 | metalfan_ | it doesnt matter unless u use devfs, as fas as ive read |
| 12:15.13 | dutchfish | metalfan_: and http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/cgroups/cgroups.txt i couldnt get inotify to work with from GNU but kernel/initofy.h played along nicely btw |
| 12:15.43 | joshb | so, does that mean i have to install from CDs ? |
| 12:16.31 | metalfan_ | dutchfish, for what did you use inotify? |
| 12:16.31 | dutchfish | metalfan_: let me know your findings i am also strugling with it |
| 12:16.57 | dutchfish | metalfan_: in my prog i watch for creation of file sin dirs |
| 12:17.20 | metalfan_ | dutchfish, please describe your problem. or is it the same as mine? |
| 12:17.26 | dutchfish | metalfan_: cgroups eases the burden on the cpu and wait ofr i/o |
| 12:17.37 | dutchfish | metalfan_: at least in my prog |
| 12:18.12 | dutchfish | metalfan_: its the same problem as you discovered, more funny it is not consistant over boots |
| 12:18.35 | dutchfish | metalfan_: since 2.6.37 it works more reliable btw |
| 12:19.19 | metalfan_ | working with cgroups that are children of the default cgroup works fine here, its just that i like to tell the system not to touch the other cpu cores |
| 12:19.33 | dutchfish | metalfan_: exactly |
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| 12:21.13 | dutchfish | metalfan_: one more thing i discovered is that udev enumeration process doesn't like it on boot. |
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| 12:21.52 | dutchfish | metalfan_: specially when alot of usb drives are attached |
| 12:22.20 | metalfan_ | maybe worth a post to the lkml |
| 12:22.25 | ham5 | when im building transmission, it goes into the gtk dir and fails, i have to call dbus-binding-tool by hand then make, why? |
| 12:22.41 | dutchfish | metalfan_: i am still in the process of triaging it, its hard |
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| 12:23.03 | dutchfish | metalfan_: but as i know for now, it is related to 2.6.32 |
| 12:23.35 | metalfan_ | your way deeper into this thing than me |
| 12:23.57 | dutchfish | metalfan_: ping me if you need too, i am intrested in this as well |
| 12:24.09 | metalfan_ | will do |
| 12:24.15 | dutchfish | good luck |
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| 12:26.58 | alter-ego | hey im new to debian and i installed the ati proprietary drivers... but i cant get them to launch |
| 12:27.09 | alter-ego | and im still gettin the screen lag like i dont have drivers installed |
| 12:27.30 | alter-ego | like when im scrolling windows or moving |
| 12:28.05 | alter-ego | im on lenny |
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| 12:29.21 | tekzilla | alter-ego: i think you need a minimalistic xorg.conf to tell X to use the proprietary driver |
| 12:30.45 | alter-ego | i looked in there |
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| 12:31.07 | alter-ego | and everything said aticonfig and ati proprietary drivers |
| 12:31.42 | tekzilla | alter-ego: well, heres mine: http://debian.pastebin.com/ahq7XpSR |
| 12:31.51 | alter-ego | Section "ServerLayout" |
| 12:31.51 | alter-ego | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:31.51 | alter-ego | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:32.57 | tekzilla | well i dont know if you want to use multiple monitors |
| 12:33.03 | tekzilla | but if you dont what i posted about should work fine |
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| 12:33.13 | tekzilla | about->above |
| 12:33.21 | alter-ego | Section "Device" |
| 12:33.22 | alter-ego | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.22 | alter-ego | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.22 | alter-ego | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.22 | alter-ego | EndSection |
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| 12:34.07 | tekzilla | alter-ego: thats why i used a pastebin ;) |
| 12:34.15 | alter-ego | heh |
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| 12:34.36 | eshat | Hi all.... are there no xfce 4.8 packages for sid ? |
| 12:34.36 | alter-ego | but u see its already set up for fglrx |
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| 12:35.48 | tekzilla | glxinfo | grep render |
| 12:36.08 | tekzilla | it should say "direct rendering: yes" and the renderer string should say something about ATI/radeon |
| 12:36.36 | alter-ego | command not found |
| 12:37.18 | tekzilla | well then you need to install it |
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| 12:37.29 | alter-ego | install glxinfo? |
| 12:37.51 | dutchfish | alter-ego: mesa-utils: /usr/bin/glxinfo |
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| 12:39.41 | alter-ego | great dont think i got mesa-utils either |
| 12:41.44 | alter-ego | got to install it from my install dvd? |
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| 12:42.36 | tekzilla | alter-ego: you might have to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and add "contrib" and "non-free" after "main" |
| 12:42.44 | tekzilla | then do an apt-get update and try again |
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| 12:45.19 | alter-ego | im missing ubuntu already :s |
| 12:45.43 | tekzilla | then why stick with debian |
| 12:45.58 | alter-ego | cause i was lookin for something different ;p |
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| 12:49.16 | alter-ego | add non-free to the end of this... |
| 12:49.18 | alter-ego | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
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| 12:53.37 | alter-ego | when i added 2 new lines with non-free at the end of it it said could not get lock |
| 12:54.28 | alter-ego | when i apt-get updated |
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| 12:55.19 | simplechat | Hey guys |
| 12:55.26 | simplechat | is there any way to have an account log in via ssh without a password? |
| 12:56.35 | Infra_HDC | thru keyfile ? 0_o |
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| 12:57.57 | ham5 | sshpass? |
| 12:58.56 | simplechat | hmmm. |
| 12:59.07 | simplechat | Apparently you can do it through an ssh config option |
| 12:59.11 | simplechat | which is useful |
| 12:59.18 | simplechat | the only problem is making an account with a null password |
| 12:59.23 | flo` | hi |
| 12:59.38 | flo` | i've installed openntpd and started it, however i did not reboot |
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| 12:59.57 | flo` | the ntpd is now running for more than 24 hours, and it still hasn't adjusted my clock to the correct time... |
| 13:00.02 | flo` | what's wrong here? |
| 13:00.05 | Infra_HDC | simplechat, it will be Non-Secure Shell )) |
| 13:00.17 | Infra_HDC | nssh ) |
| 13:00.20 | simplechat | yeah |
| 13:00.43 | alter-ego | lol u guys already give up on me? |
| 13:00.58 | flo` | however, i have lots of messages like "ntpd[16336]: adjusting local clock by 364.730109s" in my syslog |
| 13:01.08 | flo` | the only problem is: there has never been an adjustment |
| 13:01.35 | flo` | also, the syslog says that several "peers are now valid" :/ |
| 13:01.55 | jelly-home | flo`: running in a vm? |
| 13:02.07 | flo` | no |
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| 13:02.26 | flo` | lenny in real laptop. however in a laptop with a crappy clock ;) |
| 13:03.12 | Bushmills | flo`: try ntp instead of openntpd |
| 13:03.41 | Bushmills | though chrony was the one which had problems with time keeping here. openntpd "only" had a memory leak |
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| 13:04.51 | jelly-home | chrony wfm on a laptop, but failed on a server machine |
| 13:05.17 | Bushmills | also, set clocks before starting ntpd. or, when started at boot, stop it, set time (ntpdate -b pool.ntp.org, for example), then start ntpd |
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| 13:06.11 | flo` | ah, nice. ntpd did the job... but strange, why didn't openntpd do it? |
| 13:06.17 | Bushmills | do a periodic ntpq -c peers check |
| 13:06.48 | jelly-home | flo`: because it's buggy! |
| 13:07.03 | flo` | hrm, ok... that's kind of an argument |
| 13:07.10 | flo` | but, why has lenny it in its repos? |
| 13:07.23 | flo` | i mean, isn't the whole point of lenny to have stable, bug-free packages? |
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| 13:08.29 | Bushmills | do a claim on your warranty |
| 13:08.40 | doubleukay | nice one Bushmills |
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| 13:26.20 | angelsl | hi. how do I fix grub2 after the linux root partition's device number changes? |
| 13:27.01 | angelsl | also, this is on a GPT partition and linux's root partition is sda3 (was sda4). i've tried update-grub & update-initramfs. |
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| 13:27.07 | angelsl | doesn't work. :( |
| 13:28.57 | jelly-home | angelsl: did its UUID change as well? |
| 13:29.04 | angelsl | possibly. |
| 13:29.09 | angelsl | not too sure. |
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| 13:29.18 | raksha | hi |
| 13:29.32 | jelly-home | angelsl: did you make a new filesystem and copy the data, or just removed one? |
| 13:29.45 | angelsl | i just removed one. |
| 13:30.33 | jelly-home | angelsl: then the uuid shouldn't have changed. Take a look at /etc/default/grub and /boot/grub/grub.cfg, see if the correct root= parameter is listed |
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| 13:49.30 | angelsl | jelly-home: i don't think the uuid changed.. |
| 13:49.42 | angelsl | but somehow, just somehow, grub isn't finding the root partition |
| 13:50.07 | angelsl | if I 'set root=(hd0,3)' and 'set prefix=(hd0,3)/boot/grub' and 'insmod normal' and 'normal' |
| 13:50.15 | angelsl | i get my regular grub menu back. |
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| 13:51.26 | jelly-home | angelsl: inspect the output of "blkid" command, which shows UUIDs among other stuff, and the generated grub.cfg to see if there are discrepancies |
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| 13:52.52 | angelsl | jelly-home: no discrepancy. |
| 13:52.59 | angelsl | i don't think it's anything to do with grub.cfg |
| 13:53.06 | angelsl | it's that grub cannot find grub.cfg in the first place |
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| 13:54.12 | jelly-home | you could reinstall it |
| 13:54.22 | angelsl | grub-install complains about GPT. |
| 13:54.43 | angelsl | it's.. driving.. me..c razy... |
| 13:54.45 | jelly-home | angelsl: then get a grub capable of understanding GPT |
| 13:55.12 | angelsl | but the current grub CAN understand gpt. else how could have it been installed in the first place? |
| 13:56.01 | jelly-home | perhaps it didn't know it couldn't read gpt at that time |
| 13:56.21 | angelsl | yes but it worked fine before i deleted that partition, and device numbers changed |
| 13:57.35 | HackeMate | http://pastebin.com/tVRg0aP8 kdetv or mplayer doesn't see it, what can i do? |
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| 14:00.12 | jelly-home | angelsl: it's as if it has (hd0,4) written down _somewhere_ instead of looking for any partition with a filesystem with the correct uuid |
| 14:00.29 | angelsl | it seems so.. |
| 14:00.34 | angelsl | i have no idea what is wrong |
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| 14:06.08 | jelly-home | angelsl: dpkg -l libc6 grub-pc | tail -2 |
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| 14:06.23 | angelsl | hold on... |
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| 14:07.17 | angelsl | both are installed. |
| 14:07.30 | angelsl | this is a separate pc so I can't copy/paste |
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| 14:09.09 | jelly-home | you can write the versions. |
| 14:09.15 | angelsl | oh. |
| 14:09.16 | jelly-home | !pastebinit |
| 14:09.16 | dpkg | [pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". |
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| 14:10.37 | angelsl | grub-pc 1.98+20100804-14 |
| 14:10.38 | angelsl | libc6 2.11.2-10 |
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| 14:12.04 | jelly-home | ok, that's new enough to know about GPT |
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| 14:13.14 | jelly-home | pastebin the complete output of grub-install /dev/sda (or whatever the device) |
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| 14:17.32 | angelsl | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/GTYz6vkf |
| 14:19.38 | mentor | angelsl: That seems fairly canonical |
| 14:20.09 | angelsl | what? |
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| 14:20.54 | mentor | angelsl: The error |
| 14:21.40 | angelsl | right... |
| 14:21.54 | jelly-home | where's your bios boot partition! |
| 14:22.00 | mentor | angelsl: Have you tried googling it? |
| 14:22.10 | jelly-home | (what's the bios boot partition, I has no gpt :-) |
| 14:22.18 | mentor | Dunno |
| 14:22.22 | ham5 | lol canonical... what that guiz halp me plz |
| 14:22.36 | mentor | ham5: of or pertaining to canon |
| 14:23.21 | ham5 | ya noobtu i get it |
| 14:23.46 | mentor | ham5: canon: A standard or accepted version |
| 14:23.50 | angelsl | ham5: this is not the PC with the problem. |
| 14:24.09 | angelsl | anyway, i'm on windows 7 (NT 6.1) build 7600 running mIRC. |
| 14:24.25 | ham5 | ;\ |
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| 14:26.22 | mentor | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIOS_Boot_partition |
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| 14:32.31 | jelly-home | angelsl: you're either going to have to recreate that partition, or use grub-setup manually and tell it to do the blocklist thing |
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| 14:39.37 | mentor | angelsl: The first hit on Google suggests "grub-install --recheck /dev/sdfoo" |
| 14:40.12 | mentor | Heh, the GUID for the GPT BIOS boot partition is "!haHdInotNeedEFI" |
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| 14:40.31 | DexterF | hi |
| 14:40.42 | DexterF | how do I purge apt's cache? |
| 14:41.28 | phogg | DexterF: apt-get update |
| 14:41.31 | angelsl | okay. |
| 14:41.32 | pipeline | DexterF: apt-get clean |
| 14:41.33 | angelsl | i fixed it. |
| 14:41.33 | robokop | apt-get clean |
| 14:41.47 | DexterF | robokop: thanks |
| 14:41.50 | angelsl | create a partition, mark it bios-grub, grub-install, mark it boot |
| 14:41.51 | angelsl | done |
| 14:42.11 | mentor | DexterF: Which cache? |
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| 14:43.21 | neoice | so I'm brand new to lxc. if I issue a halt while (seemingly) in a lxc instance, what happens that might explain why my network dropped? |
| 14:43.34 | neoice | I see DHCPRELEASE, but shouldnt the host stay up? |
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| 14:51.28 | DexterF | mentor: debs on disk |
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| 15:00.29 | shortcircuit | I show a security update for the package linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64. Poking around on packages.debian.org for a changelog turns up /changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.26-26lenny1, but not a /changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.26-lenny2. (Wow, are those paths a handful to type). |
| 15:00.34 | shortcircuit | Something seems missing. |
| 15:03.25 | shortcircuit | (I did eventually fine the changelog under /usr/doc on my system, but it would have been nice to find it on the server, first) |
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| 15:10.24 | starenka | im using squeeze for a while, i decided to move to unstable. do i just change the sources.list and do safe-upgrade? |
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| 15:12.58 | jelly-home | starenka: typically there're too many changes between testing and unstable for safe-upgrade to be of use |
| 15:13.43 | starenka | jelly-home: well, but this will happen regardless on my atctions soon as squeeze will become stable, right? |
| 15:13.43 | babilen | !tell starenka about sid upgrade test |
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| 15:14.38 | babilen | starenka: Apart from that: No, "safe-upgrade" will most likely not suffice. And it is a *very* bad time to switch to sid right now. |
| 15:15.22 | starenka | babilen: guess so, but squeeze is frozen for ages now.... :( |
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| 15:16.08 | babilen | starenka: It will be released in one week, sid will be a bumpy ride thereafter. Wait some time (6 months?) and use "wheezy" .. |
| 15:16.37 | jelly-home | starenka: if you have to ask, don't |
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| 15:17.59 | starenka | jelly-home: im not a noob. i've used lenny and than made a clean install of squeeze (w/ my home backuped), i never tried to to dist-upgrade debain. that's why i ask. so please do not "i fou have to ask, you're an idiot" on me. thanks |
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| 15:19.01 | jelly-home | starenka: but it's applicable. Learn the difference between safe- and full- upgrade (or dist-upgrade as it used to be called) first. |
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| 15:21.30 | jelly-home | starenka: you're going to hit situations where you're going to deal with dist-upgrades and fine tune aptitude upgrade dependency resolution results and fix bugs in install scripts with unstable more often than not. |
| 15:21.44 | babilen | starenka: I just wouldn't recommend to make the switch now. If you are after a rolling release, I would recommend to stay with Squeeze for ~6 more months after it has been released as stable, upgrade to "wheezy" and repeat that process. |
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| 15:22.34 | starenka | babilen: thanks |
| 15:22.51 | babilen | starenka: I just don't think it is a very good idea to upgrade to *sid* right now (and in general, but that is my personal opinion, others think differently) as a lot of transitions will take place in the next weeks. (experimental->sid->wheezy) |
| 15:23.54 | babilen | I would let wheezy settle a bit before I upgrade. YMMV and you are free to do whatever you want though :) |
| 15:23.59 | starenka | babilen: well i use testing, not squeeze. so i should now use squeeze explicitely and then change to another testing name, right? |
| 15:24.12 | babilen | starenka: I would recommend that, yes. |
| 15:24.17 | starenka | okay, tahnks |
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| 15:25.12 | babilen | starenka: Just let "wheezy" (or whatever the testing release is called at that time) settle for a while (allow transitions from exp->sid>testing) before making the jump. |
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| 15:26.19 | babilen | starenka: Just my personal opinion. Some Debian Developers argue that "testing" should never be used by users and that *only* "stable" or "sid" are options. Opinions/Experiences differ. :) |
| 15:27.09 | dvs | I thought testing was suppose to be releasable at any given time? |
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| 15:27.42 | babilen | dvs: You are thinking about "CUT" (constably usable testing) and we are not quite there |
| 15:27.48 | babilen | !cut |
| 15:27.48 | dpkg | [cut] an utility to remove sections from each line of files, part of <coreutils>, or "constantly usable testing", ask me about <debian cut>. |
| 15:27.58 | babilen | !debian cut |
| 15:27.58 | dpkg | CUT is "constantly usable testing", a proposal to make a rolling branch of Debian. See the proposal: http://lwn.net/Articles/406301/ and the discussion: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/09/msg00502.html |
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| 15:28.58 | babilen | dvs: But that is the aim, although not always achievable |
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| 15:29.10 | dvs | Sounds good to me! |
| 15:29.43 | babilen | dvs: yeah, the discussions at the debconf where interesting (you can watch the videos) |
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| 15:30.14 | babilen | http://penta.debconf.org/dc10_schedule/events/681.en.html |
| 15:30.29 | babilen | s/where/were |
| 15:30.33 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 15:42.57 | winter | hello |
| 15:43.58 | winter | i'm running lenny and i got a small problem with it, statd fails to start when i boot the mashine what can be the problem |
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| 15:44.18 | jelly-home | winter: is the loopback interface up? |
| 15:44.45 | winter | networking starts after trying to start statd |
| 15:44.54 | jelly-home | why? |
| 15:45.44 | winter | idk |
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| 15:46.08 | jelly-home | winter: pastebin the output of ls -l /etc/rc?.d/???{networking,nfs-common} |
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| 15:46.27 | winter | ok |
| 15:47.07 | mr_chris | I'm trying to modify my PS1 environment variable. Could someone please point me in the right direction to learn what the values PS1 is getting assigned mean? For example, PS1="\e[0;31m[\u@\h \W]\$ \e[m ". Are they some form of regex? |
| 15:47.29 | cahoot | google for bash prompt howto |
| 15:47.30 | winter | jelly-home: [16:46:45 root@IceGate:/home/winter]#ls -l /etc/rc?.d/???{networking,nfs-common} |
| 15:47.33 | winter | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 sty 30 16:32 /etc/rc0.d/K10networking -> ../init.d/networking |
| 15:47.37 | winter | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 mar 10 2009 /etc/rc0.d/K20nfs-common -> ../init.d/nfs-common |
| 15:47.39 | jelly-home | winter: use a pastebin!! |
| 15:47.40 | winter | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 sty 30 16:32 /etc/rc1.d/K10networking -> ../init.d/networking |
| 15:47.44 | winter | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 mar 10 2009 /etc/rc1.d/K20nfs-common -> ../init.d/nfs-common |
| 15:47.47 | winter | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 sty 30 16:32 /etc/rc2.d/S10networking -> ../init.d/networking |
| 15:47.51 | winter | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 sty 30 16:39 /etc/rc2.d/S44nfs-common -> ../init.d/nfs-common |
| 15:47.52 | mr_chris | cahoot: Thanks |
| 15:47.53 | AimHere | mr_chris, you'll find those in 'man bash' |
| 15:47.54 | winter | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 sty 30 16:32 /etc/rc3.d/S10networking -> ../init.d/networking |
| 15:47.54 | ansgar | mr_chris: See your shell's documentation. |
| 15:47.58 | winter | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 sty 30 16:39 /etc/rc3.d/S44nfs-common -> ../init.d/nfs-common |
| 15:48.01 | winter | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 sty 30 16:32 /etc/rc4.d/S10networking -> ../init.d/networking |
| 15:48.05 | winter | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 sty 30 16:39 /etc/rc4.d/S44nfs-common -> ../init.d/nfs-common |
| 15:48.08 | winter | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 sty 30 16:32 /etc/rc5.d/S10networking -> ../init.d/networking |
| 15:48.12 | winter | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 sty 30 16:39 /etc/rc5.d/S44nfs-common -> ../init.d/nfs-common |
| 15:48.14 | dvs | winter: use pastebin! |
| 15:48.15 | mr_chris | AimHere, ansgar: Thanks. Should have looked there first. |
| 15:48.15 | winter | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 sty 30 16:32 /etc/rc6.d/K10networking -> ../init.d/networking |
| 15:48.19 | winter | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 mar 10 2009 /etc/rc6.d/K20nfs-common -> ../init.d/nfs-common |
| 15:48.22 | winter | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 mar 10 2009 /etc/rcS.d/S44nfs-common -> ../init.d/nfs-common |
| 15:48.26 | winter | OMG |
| 15:48.28 | jelly-home | !tell winter about paste |
| 15:48.28 | winter | sry |
| 15:48.31 | winter | putty\ |
| 15:48.33 | winter | I'M SORRY |
| 15:48.36 | winter | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/rtNSK8TK |
| 15:48.38 | winter | SORRY everyone |
| 15:48.49 | winter | i'm using putty on doze atm and i forgot that it'll paste everything on right click |
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| 15:49.22 | winter | jelly-home: could you take a look |
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| 15:49.35 | jelly-home | winter: it seems to me that networking starts at /etc/rc2.d/S10networking and nfs-common at S44, so that should be all right. |
| 15:49.52 | winter | yes it should |
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| 15:50.39 | winter | Starting NFS common utilities: statd failed! right after setting up the resolv conf |
| 15:51.03 | jelly-home | winter: frankly I'm not even sure why you have networking in runlevel 2, it's /etc/rc0.d/S35networking by default |
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| 15:51.51 | winter | some time after it tries to start nfs but it fails to contact local rpcbind server |
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| 15:52.42 | winter | then it starts statd and idmaps |
| 15:52.44 | winter | idmapd |
| 15:53.17 | jelly-home | "portmap" is the rpcbind server; it's also the package name and the init script name |
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| 15:54.06 | jelly-home | you'll have to make sure a) networking is up before both portmap and nfs-common, and that includes the "lo" interface and its 127.0.0.1/8 address b) portmap is up before nfs-common |
| 15:54.19 | winter | and i can start nfs manually |
| 15:54.38 | winter | /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server start |
| 15:54.47 | winter | and it runs like a charm, but not from init |
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| 15:55.54 | jelly-home | winter: if your /var/log/boot is not empty, pastebinit as well |
| 15:55.54 | dvs | winter: that suggests that nfs is started too early in the init process |
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| 15:56.16 | jelly-home | !tell winter about bootlogd |
| 15:56.39 | jhutchins_lt | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.02 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: er. I meant rcS.d/S40networking, then |
| 15:58.09 | jelly-home | O:-) |
| 15:58.34 | jhutchins_lt | ;-) |
| 15:58.36 | winter | jelly-home: i'll reboot then and i'll pastebin the log to you ok? |
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| 15:59.22 | jelly-home | winter: ok. this is from a clean lenny install: http://paste.ubuntu.com/560267/ |
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| 15:59.54 | jelly-home | winter: you seem to be missing rcS.d/S* links for networking and portmap |
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| 16:00.48 | winter | so what should i do? |
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| 16:01.14 | winter | ok, i'll reboot the bastard, brb |
| 16:01.33 | jelly-home | winter: recreate them |
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| 16:18.23 | winter | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/FFzn1And |
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| 16:18.56 | winter | now it looks a bit different afted adding the scripts to rcS |
| 16:19.39 | jelly-home | wtf. |
| 16:20.08 | jelly-home | winter: pastebin ls -l /etc/rc?.d/???{networking,nfs-common,portmap} please |
| 16:20.36 | jelly-home | winter: portmap seems to try to start even before fsck |
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| 16:21.10 | winter | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/t1h1EHLd |
| 16:21.12 | winter | yess |
| 16:21.24 | jelly-home | whoever messed with your rc symlinks needs to be told sternly not to mess any more |
| 16:21.35 | winter | it was me :-P |
| 16:21.53 | jelly-home | make them look like the ones from my lenny machine. |
| 16:22.00 | winter | it seems that i broke something after all |
| 16:22.30 | jelly-home | mv /etc/rcS.d/S19portmap /etc/rcS.d/S43portmap |
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| 16:22.59 | jelly-home | mv /etc/rcS.d/S35networking /etc/rcS.d/S40networking |
| 16:23.11 | mentor | sysv-rc-conf |
| 16:23.16 | winter | i use it |
| 16:23.19 | mentor | Will make that easier |
| 16:23.42 | winter | will it return the scripts to the default points in the runlevels? |
| 16:23.52 | mentor | It... might do |
| 16:23.57 | jelly-home | http://paste.ubuntu.com/560284/ |
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| 16:25.18 | jelly-home | since the defaults are just hardcoded calls to update-rc.d in respective postinst scripts, I doubt an UI tool can be smart enough to figure them out |
| 16:26.30 | jelly-home | winter: you could, however, take a look at grep update-rc.d /var/lib/dpkg/info/{netbase,portmap,nfs-common}.postinst and run update-rc.d like that again, perhaps with some forcing |
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| 16:26.57 | mentor | Well, there should be sufficient information in the header in the init.d script |
| 16:27.32 | jelly-home | oh, right, those are too new for me |
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| 16:29.21 | winter | it looks on my server like in this link http://paste.ubuntu.com/560284/ |
| 16:29.27 | winter | it's all the same |
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| 16:30.12 | saivert | not using irssi then. irssi at least asks if you want to paste if you try to paste a lot of lines at once |
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| 16:30.21 | saivert | saving your bacon |
| 16:30.42 | winter | saivert: it's irssi |
| 16:31.06 | winter | but i'm using putty atm, maybe that makes the difference |
| 16:31.19 | iulhk | i want to allow 10 ports to redirect at some specific ports and then i want to enable all the port like firewall is stopped ? anybody has any idea how to do that ? |
| 16:31.33 | saivert | it shouldn't. maybe running it screen makes it behave differently |
| 16:32.14 | winter | normally in linux it asks for confirmation, it's runnin in screen all the time |
| 16:32.50 | winter | btw do you like my vendor string :-P |
| 16:33.29 | winter | jelly-home: should i reboot the mashine agin then |
| 16:33.59 | jelly-home | winter: sure, if rc.d links are back to defaults, why not |
| 16:34.18 | winter | i have bad feelings about this |
| 16:34.21 | winter | but well |
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| 16:35.08 | jelly-home | NO WARRANTY |
| 16:38.25 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
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| 16:39.39 | jelly-home | ooh, 17:39 -!- Irssi: Pasting 15 lines to ##test. Press Ctrl-K if you wish to do this or Ctrl-C to cancel. |
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| 16:43.58 | winter | jelly-home: it still fails to start nfs |
| 16:44.50 | winter | with the same error |
| 16:46.05 | winter | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/zvyycJTg |
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| 16:55.06 | winter | jelly-home: you there.. ? |
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| 16:55.16 | winter | damn he's afk |
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| 17:48.50 | winter | i think that i found a workaround solution for my problem |
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| 17:51.10 | CrazyGir | hello! I am a zsh user and looking for some of the completion definitions in v4.3.10, though debian has 4.3.6 in apt. Would an ubuntu package be acceptable? |
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| 17:52.09 | Arrowmaster | dpkg: tell CrazyGir about ssb |
| 17:52.35 | Arrowmaster | CrazyGir: except dont do it with sid but with squeeze |
| 17:53.10 | CrazyGir | hah |
| 17:54.04 | CrazyGir | thanks, I'll look into it |
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| 17:59.45 | rudi_s | CrazyGir: If you just want to get newer completions. |
| 17:59.52 | CrazyGir | Arrowmaster: how do I determine the backports repo for http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/zsh-dev |
| 17:59.54 | rudi_s | *. update $fpath and download them from current git. |
| 17:59.57 | CrazyGir | rudi_s: that was the starting place |
| 18:00.13 | CrazyGir | for where on git? |
| 18:00.31 | rudi_s | CrazyGir: git://zsh.git.sf.net/gitroot/zsh/zsh |
| 18:00.37 | rudi_s | git clone git://zsh.git.sf.net/gitroot/zsh/zsh |
| 18:01.04 | CrazyGir | awesome, thank you |
| 18:01.24 | rudi_s | And then update fpath: fpath=(~/path/to/zsh/Completion/*/*(/) $fpath) |
| 18:01.29 | CrazyGir | still interesting in finding that backports repo |
| 18:01.41 | rudi_s | There's a Completion directory in zsh. |
| 18:01.41 | CrazyGir | rudi_s: in .zshrc? |
| 18:01.48 | Arrowmaster | there are no backports for zsh |
| 18:01.49 | rudi_s | CrazyGir: Yes. At the top. |
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| 18:02.06 | CrazyGir | Arrowmaster: ah, would I have to use a squeeze repo then? |
| 18:02.12 | rudi_s | I've used it here with 4.3.6 and it worked great (updated to squeeze yesterday ..). |
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| 18:02.22 | CrazyGir | rudi_s: good info, thank |
| 18:02.26 | rudi_s | But you can't combine lenny with squeeze, that'll cause problems. |
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| 18:02.35 | CrazyGir | yea, I don't want to go down that road |
| 18:03.49 | Thermi | when is Debian Squeeze stable? |
| 18:04.37 | cahoot | try /topic |
| 18:04.40 | stew | Thermi: one week |
| 18:04.42 | Thermi | ok |
| 18:04.44 | Thermi | ty |
| 18:04.46 | jhutchins_lt | Thermi: Official release 5/6 February |
| 18:04.51 | Thermi | ty ty tya |
| 18:05.02 | Thermi | should i use squeeze or lenny for my FTP and OX Server? |
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| 18:06.07 | jhutchins_lt | Thermi: Kindof up to you at this point. I think I'd still use lenny for a server, lenny has better security updates, squeeze is still thrashing out bugs. |
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| 18:06.20 | Thermi | ok |
| 18:06.27 | Thermi | ty for your advice :) |
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| 18:09.01 | stew | Thermi: i'd use squeeze, i'd expect any security updates in the next week to also include squeeze (the most recent ones have) |
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| 18:10.18 | Arrowmaster | stew: yeah there was a squeeze specific update to sudo yesterday that completely skipped unstable |
| 18:10.23 | Thermi | stew: my ox and ftp isn't open to the public, so security shouldn't be a concern |
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| 18:10.58 | stew | Thermi: there are only about 10 bugs left to be fixed in squeeze, I'd be suprised if any of them affect you |
| 18:11.01 | CrazyGir | am I crazy, or does aptitude install git not get you git? |
| 18:11.27 | stew | CrazyGir: it depends. which thing called git it gets you depends on which release you are running |
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| 18:11.37 | stew | CrazyGir: debian has two completely different pieces of software named git |
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| 18:13.01 | Arrowmaster | on lenny install git-core |
| 18:13.02 | CrazyGir | stew: i git - fast, scalable, distributed revision control system (aptitude search |
| 18:13.42 | CrazyGir | oook |
| 18:13.52 | CrazyGir | what's up with plain old git Arrowmaster ? |
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| 18:14.03 | CrazyGir | I see a few docs and that's all (reported by dpkg) |
| 18:14.14 | stew | CrazyGir: what are you trying to install? |
| 18:14.49 | CrazyGir | git-core seems to be it, but there is no difference in the package description |
| 18:14.56 | stew | CrazyGir: are you trying to install the revision control system? or this: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/gnuit |
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| 18:15.16 | CrazyGir | stew: rcs |
| 18:15.24 | stew | CrazyGir: and what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:15.28 | CrazyGir | lenny |
| 18:15.35 | stew | then installing git will work |
| 18:15.38 | stew | or git-core |
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| 18:15.54 | stew | oh, i liked |
| 18:16.01 | stew | on lenny Arrowmaster is right, you want git-core |
| 18:16.06 | stew | ^liked^lied |
| 18:16.13 | winter | jelly-home: ping |
| 18:16.13 | Arrowmaster | GNU Interactive Tools used to be git so git was packaged as git-core, but the old git packaged has been moved to gnuit so git-core can be git, but for compatibility reasons they both can be referenced by the git package name on lenny |
| 18:16.33 | Arrowmaster | in squeeze the git package should refer to the dvcs git only |
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| 18:18.12 | Arrowmaster | actually i think you have to be using backports for the git package name to refer to the dvcs git on lenny |
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| 18:19.40 | CrazyGir | fun stuff |
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| 18:19.56 | CrazyGir | thank you for explaining Arrowmaster |
| 18:20.01 | Arrowmaster | at least it will all finally go away with squeeze |
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| 18:20.27 | CrazyGir | yea |
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| 18:26.03 | mutante | i know there are dozens of ways, but which method do you use to remind you to install updates, if there are any (on a workstation) |
| 18:26.54 | jordanm | mutante: apticron |
| 18:27.10 | jordanm | update-manager is probably more popular on desktops though |
| 18:27.53 | mutante | for servers i let Nagios tell me, but the PC at home, yup, forgot it for a while |
| 18:27.57 | mutante | k, thanks |
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| 18:28.30 | gschwepp | hello, is there a 'easy' way to install my airport extreme card? |
| 18:28.47 | gschwepp | i installed debian lenny on my powerbook g4 |
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| 18:30.17 | mutante | gschwepp: just in general, on a laptop, i would have personally chosen squeeze |
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| 18:30.56 | muenchhausen | Hi there. Has someone experience with upgrading openvz-etch to openvz-lenny? |
| 18:31.33 | muenchhausen | Does it work? What are the pitfalls? |
| 18:31.40 | jordanm | !lenny release notes |
| 18:31.41 | dpkg | Release Notes for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 (Lenny) are at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny . Also ask me about <i-g>, <installer firmware>, <etch->lenny key>, <errata>, <squeeze release notes>. |
| 18:32.23 | jordanm | muenchhausen: known pitfalls should be documented in the changelog, specifically the sections regarding upgrades |
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| 18:34.41 | muenchhausen | ok, thanks. I'm not experienced with debian or openvz, so I'm rather careful |
| 18:35.23 | jordanm | muenchhausen: ideally, you want to perform the upgrade on a clone of your production server first, to test for issues |
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| 18:36.07 | rawtaz | muenchhausen: i just installed it, and then used the "template creation on debian" or similar from the openvz wiki to make my container. then i read around in the wiki |
| 18:36.54 | jordanm | rawtaz: presumably, he already has a openvz environment |
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| 18:37.02 | muenchhausen | rawtaz: I don't think I can easily go this route. I have an existing openvz install that needs to keep running |
| 18:37.10 | rawtaz | jordanm: yes, but earlier he asked me how i started with openvz |
| 18:37.23 | rawtaz | muenchhausen: ok :) |
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| 18:37.46 | muenchhausen | rawtaz: thanks, good to know that the wiki is good |
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| 18:39.49 | doubleukay | muenchhausen: hm what OSes are the VEs running? |
| 18:40.08 | doubleukay | are you planning to upgrade both VN and VEs? or just VN |
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| 18:41.58 | muenchhausen | the HN is running etch, I think the VPSs run the same |
| 18:42.29 | doubleukay | *cringe* |
| 18:42.42 | jordanm | should not think, should know |
| 18:43.03 | muenchhausen | I'm mainly worried about the stuff on the HN for now, after that's reasonably up to date I worry about the VPSs |
| 18:43.07 | jordanm | vzctl enter <container id> |
| 18:44.07 | doubleukay | something to check for is whether any of the openvz scripts have been edited |
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| 18:45.01 | muenchhausen | I don't know how to best check for the distribution, but it seems to be debian based since aptitude is present |
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| 18:45.31 | jordanm | muenchhausen: cat /etc/debian_version; cat /etc/issue |
| 18:45.39 | jordanm | issue should be present on most distros |
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| 18:46.02 | muenchhausen | 4.0, so it's etch |
| 18:46.29 | jordanm | probably all running a version of exim that is just waiting to get rooted :\ |
| 18:47.08 | muenchhausen | I wish the previous admins would have updated it, but they didn't even leave me with a password |
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| 18:47.56 | jordanm | muenchhausen: I have been in similar situations |
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| 18:49.12 | muenchhausen | need to figure out what the columns in aptitude mean.. |
| 18:49.25 | muenchhausen | <none> 3.36-18.2 |
| 18:49.54 | jordanm | show the entire output |
| 18:50.08 | muenchhausen | progname installed available ? |
| 18:50.38 | jordanm | muenchhausen: we don't even know what command you are running |
| 18:50.43 | muenchhausen | p exim <none> 3.36-18.2 |
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| 18:50.57 | muenchhausen | I searched for exim |
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| 18:51.00 | Arrowmaster | first is the version you have installed, second is the version that would be installed if you installed the package |
| 18:51.03 | jordanm | is this the TUI interface? |
| 18:51.16 | muenchhausen | yes, ncurses probably |
| 18:51.46 | muenchhausen | so no exim, but probably plenty of other potential problems |
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| 19:00.52 | miniCruzer | When the command `ls' is issued, and the return statement is "Segmentation fault", this generally means Debian needs to be reinstalled, correct? |
| 19:01.11 | dvs | o_O |
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| 19:01.34 | miniCruzer | Or could it be an issue with sshd? |
| 19:01.38 | jelly-home | winter: pong |
| 19:01.44 | babilen | miniCruzer: What about "/bin/ls" and "ldd /bin/ls" ? |
| 19:01.49 | acx0 | is it okay to shutdown and restart using init? (for example, init 0 and init 6) |
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| 19:04.07 | jelly-home | acx0: it works, but the canonical tool is /sbin/shutdown |
| 19:04.55 | muenchhausen | is it common on debian to restart daemons using strange stuff like /etc/rc0.d/K20sshd ? |
| 19:04.57 | jelly-home | miniCruzer: there's not enough data to draw any conclusion |
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| 19:05.27 | Gijs | Hello People, what is wrong: "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 9 not upgraded." |
| 19:05.29 | dvs | muenchhausen: You usually use invoke-rc.d to do that. |
| 19:05.51 | jelly-home | muenchhausen: that "strange stuff" is just a symlink to /etc/init.d/ssh init script |
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| 19:06.49 | muenchhausen | ah, I got really confused because there seem to be six of pretty much the same thing |
| 19:07.08 | muenchhausen | /etc/rc{0..6}.d/ |
| 19:07.37 | dvs | Gijs: We need the entire output. |
| 19:08.12 | muenchhausen | Guess I better install Lenny to figure stuff out |
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| 19:08.31 | dvs | muenchhausen: lenny? Why not squeeze? |
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| 19:08.47 | Gijs | how? |
| 19:08.58 | muenchhausen | well, whatever there is a openvz kernel available |
| 19:09.13 | babilen | Gijs: Paste the entire output along with the output of "apt-cache policy" to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 19:15.39 | babilen | miniCruzer: hmm? |
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| 19:16.11 | miniCruzer | hm |
| 19:16.24 | miniCruzer | one sec |
| 19:16.46 | babilen | Gijs: is it working now? |
| 19:16.53 | miniCruzer | same error, babilen |
| 19:17.05 | babilen | miniCruzer: Both commands result in the same error? |
| 19:17.20 | miniCruzer | ldd /bin/ls gives something different |
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| 19:17.38 | babilen | miniCruzer: Ok, hit me |
| 19:17.42 | miniCruzer | things like: linux-gate.so.1 => (0xb7754000) |
| 19:17.54 | babilen | http://paste.debian.net |
| 19:17.56 | miniCruzer | pastebin |
| 19:17.57 | miniCruzer | ooh |
| 19:18.42 | babilen | also, what is the output of "dpkg -l coreutils libc6" ? |
| 19:19.13 | miniCruzer | that site rejected the paste twice |
| 19:19.13 | miniCruzer | http://pastebin.com/6i6pQFVq |
| 19:19.32 | Gijs | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a487b708/ |
| 19:19.53 | miniCruzer | Result of that last command, babilen - http://pastebin.com/Stm2mJHt |
| 19:19.59 | andycc | Hi, I've got a problem with apt-get (and aptitude too): on a 500Mhz/64MB machine (with or without swap active) running Knoppix 6 in textmode, apt-get always gets to 95% at the "reading package lists" stage, but then displays "Killed" and quits. I only have two repositories (stable/main, stable/updates) active, and I can update (but after the actual update, it still fails with "killed"). |
| 19:20.30 | babilen | miniCruzer: Thank you. Give me a second. |
| 19:20.37 | miniCruzer | ok, thanks |
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| 19:22.50 | babilen | miniCruzer: Ok, that looks more or less OK so far. Could you try to reinstall the coreutils package (aptitude reinstall coreutils) please? |
| 19:23.08 | n1k0s | Hi everyone. Complete newbie here. Working at the "adduser" command. How do I create a new admin user? |
| 19:23.13 | miniCruzer | ok one sec then |
| 19:23.31 | babilen | Gijs: We also need the error/output of the aptitude run you have problems with. |
| 19:23.33 | miniCruzer | wtf never seen this before |
| 19:23.52 | miniCruzer | babilen: http://pastebin.com/qiNKsUDb |
| 19:23.53 | Gijs | where can i find that error/output? |
| 19:23.55 | babilen | miniCruzer: Something you are aware of that might have caused this problem? |
| 19:24.06 | dvs | n1k0s: there can be only one admin user. You can get admin priviledges using sudo. |
| 19:24.19 | miniCruzer | babilen: Some idiot was given root access to this, and installed a VNC on it. |
| 19:24.37 | n1k0s | okay so I should just make a regular user.... adduser admin |
| 19:24.42 | n1k0s | and su whenever i need root? |
| 19:24.46 | andycc | n1k0s: for a user to have "admin" privileges (via sudo), you usually need to add an entry in /etc/sudoers for him |
| 19:24.59 | miniCruzer | n1k0s: try `visudo' |
| 19:25.05 | miniCruzer | as root |
| 19:25.07 | andycc | n1k0s: I believe "man sudoers" tells you how to edit sudoers |
| 19:25.18 | miniCruzer | that too |
| 19:25.20 | miniCruzer | I think that does it |
| 19:25.31 | miniCruzer | yep just checked, it does |
| 19:25.38 | miniCruzer | or man visudo |
| 19:25.44 | winter | jelly-home: i did a little workaround |
| 19:26.13 | babilen | miniCruzer: It looks as if he caused more problems. I think it is time to restore from backups. |
| 19:26.29 | winter | jelly-home: #!/bin/sh |
| 19:26.29 | winter | echo "Staring NFS workaround" |
| 19:26.29 | winter | /etc/init.d/nfs-common start |
| 19:26.29 | winter | /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server start |
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| 19:26.38 | winter | shit |
| 19:26.44 | n1k0s | thx for the help all |
| 19:26.46 | babilen | !tell winter -about paste |
| 19:26.51 | winter | i know |
| 19:26.54 | winter | i just ... |
| 19:27.00 | babilen | forgot? :) |
| 19:27.01 | winter | sry again |
| 19:27.03 | winter | no |
| 19:27.06 | babilen | no problem |
| 19:27.12 | winter | missclicked and irssi didnt stop me |
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| 19:27.45 | winter | jelly: http://wklej.org/id/467438/ i did put it into startup sequence with number 95 |
| 19:27.49 | andycc | (re-posting) Hi, I've got a problem with apt-get (and aptitude too): on a 500Mhz/64MB machine (with or without swap active) running Knoppix 6 in textmode, apt-get always gets to 95% at the "reading package lists" stage, but then displays "Killed" and quits. I only have two repositories (stable/main, stable/updates) active, and I can update (but after the actual update, it still fails with "killed"). |
| 19:27.58 | dvs | !knoppix |
| 19:27.59 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems. |
| 19:28.16 | babilen | miniCruzer: Would that be an option? |
| 19:28.18 | winter | i might also change the numbers of nfs scripts |
| 19:28.37 | andycc | dvs: OK, I just thought it's a general Debian issue since it seems related to apt more than Knoppix itself. |
| 19:28.52 | winter | jelly-home: and it works |
| 19:28.53 | miniCruzer | babilen: would what be an option? |
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| 19:29.02 | miniCruzer | knoppix? |
| 19:29.04 | babilen | miniCruzer: Restoring from backups |
| 19:29.07 | miniCruzer | oh |
| 19:29.10 | miniCruzer | Probably could |
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| 19:29.34 | miniCruzer | I'll have to ask the maintainer to get one for me |
| 19:29.37 | babilen | miniCruzer: We could try to fix it, but it is hard to see the amount of damage to your system. |
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| 19:30.21 | winter | jelly-home: btw it looks like a bug to me |
| 19:30.23 | babilen | miniCruzer: And I just think that the easiest solution is to restore the backups and take it from there. Hence my question. |
| 19:30.24 | miniCruzer | I'll probably end up reinstalling the operating system to clear all the GNOME / VNC stuff installed, and remove this guy's root access. |
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| 19:32.08 | babilen | miniCruzer: Up to you -- I mean it is certainly possible to work on every single problem we run into. (For example: "mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/libnfsidmap2.list ~/" then purging and so on) |
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| 19:33.27 | miniCruzer | babilen: Thats probably more trouble than its worth, but thanks though. |
| 19:33.54 | babilen | up to you :) |
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| 19:39.41 | ElDiabolo | Hi. I am encountering https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/568720 on my squeeze. Is there a way to completely hide the floppy controller from grub2? |
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| 19:44.30 | rudi_s | Any idea why this fails? `apt-get source rxvt-unicode` E: Ignore unavailable version '9.07-2' of package 'rxvt-unicode'. My sources.list contains "deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free" (running on squeeze). Thanks. |
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| 19:45.43 | ElDiabolo | rudi_s, add -t sid |
| 19:46.26 | jhutchins_lt | ElDiabolo: You can probably blacklist the driver. |
| 19:47.02 | jhutchins_lt | rudi_s: You're trying to install sid packages on squeeze without backporting them? |
| 19:47.17 | rudi_s | ElDiabolo: apt-get -t sid source rxvt-unicode gives E: Ignore unavailable target release 'sid' of package 'rxvt-unicode' |
| 19:47.27 | rudi_s | jhutchins_lt: I want to download the source package so I can backport it. |
| 19:47.38 | jhutchins_lt | Ah. |
| 19:47.41 | rudi_s | IIRC it worked fine on lenny, never got that message. |
| 19:47.47 | ElDiabolo | jhutchins_lt, I didi blacklist floppy in a /etc/modprobe.d/ file |
| 19:47.51 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions rxvt-unicode |
| 19:47.53 | judd | Package rxvt-unicode on i386 -- etch: 7.9-2; lenny: 9.05-1+lenny1; squeeze: 9.07-2+b1; sid: 9.09-3 |
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| 19:48.14 | jhutchins_lt | rudi_s: Have you updated recently? |
| 19:48.15 | ElDiabolo | rudi_s, Did you run an apt-get update before? |
| 19:48.16 | abrotman | rudi_s: did you apt-get update first? |
| 19:48.19 | Gijs | Hello People i got a problem wich i had before on another dedicated server but now i can't remember how i fixed it |
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| 19:48.24 | rudi_s | abrotman: Yes. |
| 19:48.24 | jhutchins_lt | Fsnort. |
| 19:48.39 | rudi_s | Updated to squeeze a few days ago. |
| 19:48.41 | abrotman | rudi_s: apt-cache policy rxvt-unicode .. do the installed and candidate match ? |
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| 19:48.46 | saivert | I'm going to have some fun with qemu and Debian ARM now |
| 19:48.54 | saivert | anyone here running Debian on ARM machines? |
| 19:49.00 | Gijs | http://pastebin.com/Tv9nDdzi |
| 19:49.01 | jhutchins_lt | rudi_s: aptitude update - need to refresh the sid repo lists. |
| 19:49.03 | rudi_s | Installed: 9.07-2+b1 |
| 19:49.04 | rudi_s | Candidate: 9.07-2+b1 |
| 19:49.12 | rudi_s | jhutchins_lt: Already done that. |
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| 19:49.15 | rudi_s | abrotman: ^ |
| 19:49.28 | rudi_s | But I just want to get the source files. |
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| 19:50.09 | jhutchins_lt | You can just download the file. |
| 19:50.33 | rudi_s | Yeah, but I would have to verify the signature (and I'm not sure how to do that). And it worked fine in lenny .. |
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| 19:50.57 | abrotman | rudi_s: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 19:51.27 | Gijs | anybody? |
| 19:52.02 | abrotman | Gijs: file ./samp03svr278 |
| 19:52.35 | Gijs | ./samp03svr278: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, stripped |
| 19:52.42 | rudi_s | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/106087/ |
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| 19:52.58 | abrotman | Gijs: and you have a 64bit system ? |
| 19:53.32 | abrotman | rudi_s: perhaps you have to uninstall it? |
| 19:53.59 | rudi_s | abrotman: But I just want to get the source package. Is it really necessary to uninstall the normal package to do that? (I'm a little confused.) |
| 19:54.01 | Gijs | oh shit i got 64bit thanks man :) |
| 19:54.21 | abrotman | rudi_s: i don't know .. it's a possibility |
| 19:55.55 | rudi_s | abrotman: Hm. Didn't work. Just purged it and reinstalled. Same error. |
| 19:56.13 | abrotman | rudi_s: and you want the sid source? |
| 19:56.20 | rudi_s | Seems to work for other packages though. Looks like it's just rxvt-unicode. |
| 19:56.26 | jhutchins_lt | !ssb |
| 19:56.26 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 19:56.40 | rudi_s | abrotman: Yeah, squeeze would be fine as well .. but why shouldn't sid work? |
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| 19:56.49 | abrotman | no idea .. |
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| 19:57.38 | jhutchins_lt | rudi_s: I notice you're doing apt-get source ... not apt-get -b source ... |
| 19:58.26 | jhutchins_lt | I guess the -b is supposed to auto-build, eh? |
| 19:58.28 | rudi_s | abrotman: np, thanks for your help. Works with squeeze as source. |
| 19:58.32 | rudi_s | jhutchins_lt: What does -b do? |
| 19:58.38 | abrotman | build |
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| 19:58.51 | rudi_s | Ah, okay. Thanks. |
| 19:59.03 | jhutchins_lt | Yep. |
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| 20:00.45 | ElDiabolo | rudi_s, Uh, there is something broken in the repo, I think. |
| 20:01.09 | rudi_s | ElDiabolo: Ah. I hope this will be fixed. Not a big issue, but it got me confused ;-) |
| 20:01.43 | ElDiabolo | rudi_s, I just tried, I can do apt-get source rxvt-unicode=9.07 but I can't do apt-get source rxvt-unicode=9.09-03 |
| 20:01.55 | rudi_s | Weird. |
| 20:02.05 | abrotman | i think think apt-get understands the = notation ? |
| 20:02.15 | jhutchins_lt | Ah HA! apt-get source rxvt-unicode version=9.09-3 |
| 20:02.17 | ElDiabolo | rudi_s, The error message is "Quellpaket für rxvt-unicode kann nicht gefunden werden" |
| 20:02.48 | rudi_s | Hm, I think my message was different. |
| 20:03.01 | ElDiabolo | This is "Cant find source package". |
| 20:03.25 | rudi_s | I got "Ignore unavailable version '9.07-2' of package 'rxvt-unicode'". Hm. |
| 20:03.28 | jhutchins_lt | ElDiabolo: Try version=9.09-3 |
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| 20:03.51 | jhutchins_lt | rudi_s: Or you. |
| 20:04.55 | rudi_s | jhutchins_lt: Same message "E: Ignore unavailable version '9.03-3' of package 'rxvt-unicode'" |
| 20:04.56 | ElDiabolo | jhutchins_lt, does not work, " Nicht verfügbare Version »9.09-3« von Paket »version« wird ignoriert" |
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| 20:05.26 | ElDiabolo | jhutchins_lt, It ignores an uavailable packeage version. |
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| 20:05.43 | rudi_s | I get the same message. |
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| 20:07.10 | jhutchins | Wierd, but that's sid for ya. |
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| 20:09.29 | ElDiabolo | rudi_s, Are you using http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ ? |
| 20:10.12 | jhutchins | Could be that the source just hasn't posted yet, or hasn't finished mirroring. |
| 20:10.35 | rudi_s | ElDiabolo: Yes. |
| 20:10.53 | ElDiabolo | jhutchins_lt, rudi_s I am using it and I get the same error. |
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| 20:11.52 | themill | Given that there haven't been any uploads of that package for 7 weeks, it's unlikely to still be propagating... |
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| 20:12.30 | abrotman | the mirror syncs over dialup |
| 20:13.20 | ElDiabolo | rudi_s, Try another mirror |
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| 20:13.59 | themill | the files are on that mirror... making sure that there's a deb-src entry for sid and making sure apt-get update has been run would be higher priorities |
| 20:14.24 | ElDiabolo | themill, I can reproduce it |
| 20:14.28 | rudi_s | themill: Already checked. http://paste.debian.net/106087/ |
| 20:15.04 | jhutchins | abrotman: uucp |
| 20:15.56 | themill | ElDiabolo, rudi_s: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache showsrc rxvt-unicode"? |
| 20:16.01 | abrotman | some sort of pinning ? |
| 20:16.30 | mutante | uhm... "Found string 'hdparm' in file '/etc/init.d/hdparm'. Possible rootkit: Xzibit Rootkit" reallly?? |
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| 20:16.49 | rudi_s | abrotman: Never used it, where can I check? |
| 20:16.49 | mutante | also in /etc/init.d/.depend.boot |
| 20:17.50 | rudi_s | themill: http://paste.debian.net/106090/ |
| 20:18.04 | ElDiabolo | themill, rudi_s Sorry, I was stupid. I can not reproduce it. My msistake, I added a deb entry for sid, not a deb-src |
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| 20:18.51 | ElDiabolo | rudi_s, After adding a deb-src entry It worked here. |
| 20:19.35 | themill | rudi_s: I've seen all manner of typos in your version string that you've pasted here. Perhaps try again being very careful with that part. |
| 20:19.42 | rudi_s | ElDiabolo: Hm. Doesn't work here, just checked another squeeze machine. (Same mirror). |
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| 20:19.52 | rudi_s | themill: Version string? I never pasted it. |
| 20:20.02 | rudi_s | I just tried apt-get source rxvt-unicode, nothing more. |
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| 20:20.31 | themill | rudi_s: you pasted error messages that indicated that it was looking for a version that was not on the mirror and isn't a current version at all. |
| 20:20.51 | rudi_s | themill: Yeah, but I didn't specify this version. |
| 20:21.04 | themill | (pre-lenny versions -- apt didn't learn about them on its own) |
| 20:21.10 | rudi_s | I only typed: "apt-get source rxvt-unicode" and got "E: Ignore unavailable version '9.07-2' of package 'rxvt-unicode'" |
| 20:21.29 | themill | [20:04] <rudi_s> jhutchins_lt: Same message "E: Ignore unavailable version '9.03-3' of package 'rxvt-unicode'" |
| 20:21.34 | rudi_s | I'm using the source.list file I posted and just this command. |
| 20:22.12 | rudi_s | themill: That's when I tried jhutchins_lt command with 9.03-3 in the apt-get source line. |
| 20:22.27 | themill | yeah... and that's a version that doesn't exist |
| 20:22.43 | themill | hence my comment to be careful about asking for a version that *does* exist. |
| 20:22.43 | rudi_s | themill: Yeah, maybe. I just tried what he said. I normally get the 9.07-2 message. |
| 20:23.00 | rudi_s | And that's current squeeze AFAIK. |
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| 20:23.31 | Gijs | now i need help with the apt-get: "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 8 not upgraded." |
| 20:23.35 | Tordek | is there some way to make apt or dpkg or whatever recheck all dependencies? |
| 20:23.45 | Tordek | Gijs: apt-get upgrade |
| 20:24.30 | Gijs | The following packages have been kept back: bind9 bind9-host bind9utils dnsutils libbind9-50 libisccc50 libisccfg50 liblwres50 |
| 20:24.48 | jmarsden | Gijs: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:25.14 | jmarsden | Tordek: apt-get check |
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| 20:25.45 | Gijs | Amazing thanks |
| 20:26.06 | jmarsden | Gijs: You're welcome. When you have time, man apt-get is worth reading :) |
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| 20:28.12 | Tordek | thanks, jmarsden |
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| 20:28.38 | jhutchins_lt | rudi_s: 386 or 64? |
| 20:28.51 | rudi_s | jhutchins_lt: amd64 |
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| 20:29.08 | jmarsden | Tordek: You're welcome. |
| 20:30.05 | jhutchins_lt | I'm not seeing any binaries on that server - no sources either, just contents and diffs. |
| 20:31.12 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, there they are, wierd path. |
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| 20:35.05 | jhutchins_lt | What's the path to the source files on the server? |
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| 20:50.50 | Tordek | I'm having problems with grub's os-prober finding windows 7 |
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| 20:54.10 | Tordek | ah, fixed it. had to install os-prober |
| 20:54.14 | Pumba | Tordek: remove Win7, you won't bve bothered by a os-prober finding it anymore |
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| 20:54.30 | Tordek | Pumba: but then where would I play games? |
| 20:54.37 | Tordek | (good games) |
| 20:54.58 | Pumba | on a dedicated gaming machine? |
| 20:54.58 | larsivi | hi - I have a VPS host with debian on it, and among other things using exim |
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| 20:55.43 | larsivi | after some maintainance by the provider, exim4 suddenly uses /etc/exim4/exim4.conf instead of the /var/......../config.autogenerated stuff - anyone know what I should look for? |
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| 20:56.17 | thinksteve | Or t |
| 20:56.33 | thinksteve | *esting your games with wine, Tordek |
| 20:57.31 | ElDiabolo | Tordek, Or try to get vga passthrough working with xen. |
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| 20:58.41 | ElDiabolo | Tordek, I am waiting for someone to write a resasonable howto on that, preferrably based on experience with amd iommu |
| 20:58.53 | ElDiabolo | :) |
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| 21:06.41 | Tordek | LVM question: how much space should I need for a ro snapshot? |
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| 21:11.39 | bnk | hi all..I recompiled a custom kernel 2.6.32.28..but my drives that were 'sda' are now showing up as 'sdb'..anyone know why that is? |
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| 21:13.03 | bla | Hi. |
| 21:13.23 | bla | Any idea where can I get old debian packages? "ntp_4.2.2.p4+dfsg-2_i386.deb" to be precise. I can't google it up. |
| 21:13.56 | jhutchins_lt | !snapshot |
| 21:13.56 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 21:14.37 | bla | Thanks! |
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| 21:16.25 | Tramp | judd: pciid 10ec:8172 |
| 21:16.28 | judd | [10ec:8172] is 'RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8172 |
| 21:16.39 | Tramp | nasty. Is Ralink evil? |
| 21:17.55 | jmarsden | Tramp: Not necessarily, see http://packages.debian.org/lenny/firmware-ralink |
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| 21:18.19 | Tramp | jmarsden: but if there is no module, how will the firmware help? |
| 21:18.25 | HackeMate | hello, i have a wintv-hvr-hd and i am trying to install the driver but im not able |
| 21:18.34 | HackeMate | i installed the ivtv firmware as says ivtvdriver.org |
| 21:18.37 | HackeMate | but nothing happens |
| 21:18.39 | HackeMate | what i miss? |
| 21:18.50 | txxt | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.10 | jmarsden | Tramp: The PCI Id you posted is not an Ralink card, as far as I can tell... are you confused, or am I? |
| 21:19.24 | jmarsden | Realtek != Ralink |
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| 21:20.26 | Tramp | jmarsden: oh. apparently I am. |
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| 21:20.44 | jmarsden | Tramp: Good :) :) |
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| 21:21.55 | Tramp | jmarsden: thanks for pointing this out. I was completely on the wrong track for the last 30 minutes .... |
| 21:22.08 | jmarsden | Tramp: You're welcome :) |
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| 21:22.39 | txxt | ok i guess you don't need to serve contacts that much. still CardDAV or LDAP ? |
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| 21:22.49 | Tramp | !rtl8191se |
| 21:22.49 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8191SE is a PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipset (PCI-IDs 10ec:8171, 10ec:8172). Not supported by the mainline Linux kernel at this time. Vendor driver (rtl8192se) is available from http://people.debian.org/~benh/rtl-wlan/ . See also <rtl8192se>. |
| 21:23.04 | Tramp | and now that I'm back on track I can continue from there .... |
| 21:23.13 | vy | Hi! Does anybody have an idea about this "rm: permission denied" problem: http://pastebin.com/qFGKMV11 |
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| 21:24.52 | ansgar | vy: To remove files, you need to be able to write to the directory. The file's permissions are not so interesting. |
| 21:24.54 | jmarsden | vy: Does vy have appropriate permissions on the directory the file is in ? |
| 21:26.27 | vy | ansgar: jmarsden: Damn! Right. Thanks. |
| 21:26.48 | Makuew | Whats the best virtulisation platform for running high end server applications? |
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| 21:30.51 | tharkun | Gentlemen sorry to bother i am looking for the Gtk2::Builder perl module on debian. Which package is it in. (How do i find about it?) I haven't got any luck so far with google or with apt-file search /Builder.pm |
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| 21:31.35 | tharkun | Makuew: depends on the client as much as on the host. I would say that the best would be the one that fits all your requirements |
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| 21:34.43 | ElDiabolo | tharkun, apt-cache search perl gtk builder ? |
| 21:36.07 | tharkun | ElDiabolo: that gives libgtk2-gladexml-perl which does not have the module in question |
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| 21:36.33 | tharkun | I would like to keep things as close to debian stock as possible |
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| 21:36.43 | ElDiabolo | tharkun, Yeah, apt-cache search libgtk2 perl should find them all, but ... |
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| 21:37.07 | txxt | is squeeze planned to be released anytime soon ? |
| 21:37.15 | ElDiabolo | tharkun, There is a script that automatically packages CPAN modules. |
| 21:37.15 | tharkun | ElDiabolo: yes you are right ... |
| 21:37.56 | tharkun | ElDiabolo: any idea on the name? |
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| 21:38.47 | ElDiabolo | tharkun, Can't remember but trying to I just found http://debian.pkgs.cpan.org/ |
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| 21:40.37 | tharkun | ElDiabolo: iou 1 |
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| 21:41.57 | AkkuPakku | hi |
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| 21:42.37 | AkkuPakku | got an situation when installing debian on partition 4 ext3 saying swap is busy I click ignore then it failed adding partition 4 to root. what should I do with my debian lenny now? |
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| 21:44.19 | tdn | Does squeeze use NFSv4 or v3? |
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| 21:44.45 | mutante | what would you do to get quickly from "youtube video in iceweasel" to "wave file of the audio in a wave editor on the local squeeze Desktop" |
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| 21:47.24 | whatthefuzz | @tdn nfs4 |
| 21:47.50 | system_X | please help: I installed debian squeeze rc2 yesterday with gnome and have been trying for hours to fix the slow dns resolve problem. Using wireless dhcp with Network Manager. Has anyone else had this issue? |
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| 21:48.37 | tharkun | system_X: slow dns ?? |
| 21:49.18 | system_X | tharkun: when I go to web sites it takes a while for the domain to resolve. I'm not running a local dns server. |
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| 21:50.18 | tharkun | system_X: use the command dig to meassure your real lag behind your dns. It can be a miriad of things that is causing slow redirection from a website |
| 21:50.33 | tharkun | not necesarily related with dns |
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| 21:51.20 | system_X | I'm thinking it's a configuration issue in resolv.conf, but network manager automatically sets resolv.conf |
| 21:52.12 | system_X | 287 msec query time |
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| 21:53.21 | abrotman | system_X: remove the mdns bit from your /etc/nsswitch.conf hosts line ? |
| 21:53.27 | system_X | I believe when I connected to the IRC network it took quite a while too. Want me to past my resolv.conf in #flood? |
| 21:53.38 | system_X | haven't done that, will do |
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| 21:55.26 | system_X | hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
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| 21:56.42 | system_X | abrotman: is mdns4 what your referring to? |
| 21:56.48 | AkkuPakku | hi |
| 21:56.55 | AkkuPakku | can I turn swapoff for installation? |
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| 21:57.17 | AkkuPakku | what happens if I delete partition for swap? |
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| 21:57.43 | abrotman | AkkuPakku: you can use a swapfile instead of partition ? |
| 21:57.47 | fcn | AkkuPakku: you probably have memory issues |
| 21:57.49 | abrotman | system_X: just try it .. |
| 21:58.14 | AkkuPakku | abrotman for installation? |
| 21:58.22 | AkkuPakku | fcn yes i have it seems so. what could i try? |
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| 21:59.21 | fcn | AkkuPakku: try to have a swap partition? a larger ram? |
| 21:59.42 | system_X | abrotman: still taking a while |
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| 21:59.49 | AkkuPakku | ahh I see |
| 21:59.56 | AkkuPakku | but the swap has 3,3 gb |
| 21:59.58 | AkkuPakku | isn that enough? |
| 21:59.59 | couannette | problem with squeeze upgrade: |
| 22:00.06 | couannette | error: unsupported RAID level: -1. |
| 22:00.12 | AkkuPakku | my partition for instlalation of Debian has 3,3 gb too |
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| 22:00.58 | couannette | maybe a grub message........ |
| 22:01.13 | couannette | File descriptor 11 (pipe:[3501786]) leaked on lvs invocation. Parent PID 16311: /bin/sh |
| 22:01.44 | AkkuPakku | fcn |
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| 22:01.54 | AkkuPakku | what is more important bigger swap or bigger installation hdd? |
| 22:01.57 | AkkuPakku | *partition |
| 22:02.05 | fcn | AkkuPakku: how about your ram? how big is it? |
| 22:02.13 | AkkuPakku | 1.5 gb |
| 22:02.30 | AkkuPakku | should be enough |
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| 22:02.36 | jhutchins_lt | system_X: Disable ipv6 |
| 22:03.10 | fcn | AkkuPakku: traditionally twice the size of your ram for swap is recommended. |
| 22:03.16 | jhutchins_lt | AkkuPakku: You need no more than 2G swap. |
| 22:03.17 | fcn | AkkuPakku: so it should be ok. |
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| 22:04.22 | jhutchins_lt | fcn: 2x up to 2G, then approaching 1x. |
| 22:04.23 | fcn | AkkuPakku: if you have limited space for installation + swap so keep it simple, even 1.5 gb should be enough for daily usage. |
| 22:04.53 | Some_Person | Is it possible to build a deb package for a different architecture? I was just put in charge of an official apt repository for a game, but have seemingly no way to build the i386 package because I run amd64 |
| 22:05.26 | AkkuPakku | fcn you mean I should give swap lesser GB ? |
| 22:05.48 | fcn | AkkuPakku: do you have ssd? |
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| 22:05.55 | AkkuPakku | no |
| 22:05.56 | abrotman | Some_Person: that's something you can do in a chroot or a vm |
| 22:05.58 | AkkuPakku | pata Western digital |
| 22:06.04 | AkkuPakku | 80 gb |
| 22:06.26 | AkkuPakku | 52 gb ubuntu 1010 21 gb ubuntu 8.04 |
| 22:06.26 | fcn | AkkuPakku: but i assume that you only have 6 gb for debian? |
| 22:06.34 | AkkuPakku | 3,3 gb ext3 for debian now |
| 22:06.43 | AkkuPakku | fcn yes but I use the net cd |
| 22:06.49 | AkkuPakku | the net cd has only 150 mb |
| 22:07.03 | AkkuPakku | i think the problem is somewhere else |
| 22:07.20 | AkkuPakku | how much should I give swap now? |
| 22:07.22 | AkkuPakku | 3,3 gb again? |
| 22:07.23 | fcn | AkkuPakku: yeap it is just the base system. do you need to install gnome or kde? |
| 22:07.37 | AkkuPakku | i dont know yet |
| 22:07.43 | AkkuPakku | i think gnome |
| 22:08.37 | system_X | abrotman: in network manager, ipv6 is set to ignore |
| 22:09.17 | fcn | AkkuPakku: purposes matter. but at the end of the day, 2 gb should be ok. and one swap partition is enough for ubuntu, debian and any other linux distributions installed on your system. |
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| 22:09.35 | AkkuPakku | fcn |
| 22:09.46 | AkkuPakku | which format should I give partition 3 for debian? |
| 22:09.48 | AkkuPakku | ext3? |
| 22:09.52 | abrotman | system_X: huh ? |
| 22:09.55 | abrotman | !enter |
| 22:09.56 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 22:10.07 | abrotman | system_X: i didn't mention ipv6? |
| 22:10.19 | fcn | AkkuPakku: ext3 or ext4. both works fine. |
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| 22:10.32 | AkkuPakku | hmm |
| 22:10.37 | AkkuPakku | i cant find a solution |
| 22:10.56 | system_X | abrotman: your right, it wasnt you that mentioned ipv6 |
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| 22:10.59 | jhutchins_lt | !tell system_X about noipv6 |
| 22:11.15 | jhutchins_lt | sussudio: That's not enough to disable it. |
| 22:11.27 | abrotman | mistab! |
| 22:11.28 | jhutchins_lt | system_X: Er, network manager isn't enough. |
| 22:11.34 | jhutchins_lt | Youbetcha. |
| 22:11.56 | system_X | ok |
| 22:12.01 | jhutchins_lt | AkkuPakku: Yes, ext3. |
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| 22:12.54 | AkkuPakku | it works now ! |
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| 22:13.02 | AkkuPakku | i took ext2 instead of ext3 |
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| 22:13.16 | AkkuPakku | strange |
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| 22:14.23 | jhutchins_lt | AkkuPakku: ext3 is just ext2 with a journal, you can upgrade it. |
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| 22:14.33 | AkkuPakku | ah oki |
| 22:15.12 | jhutchins_lt | !tell AkkuPakku about ext2->ext3 |
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| 22:15.18 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 22:18.07 | AkkuPakku | so debian had problem with the journaling at the instlalation point |
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| 22:55.45 | SJB1 | hi, I installed php5.3 from dotdeb.org (added it sources.list) and now want to downgrade to debian stable packages again, but removing dotdeb from sources.list und apt-get dist-upgrade doesnt work ;) |
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| 22:58.11 | abrotman | SJB1: those packages are known to be buggy, and you'll have to work pretty hard to remove them |
| 22:58.58 | SJB1 | is there any howto for this? |
| 22:59.45 | themill | "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" is a good start |
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| 23:00.15 | SJB1 | that removes the dotdeb packages, right? |
| 23:01.02 | abrotman | did i miss a DSA on the kernel ? |
| 23:01.05 | themill | yes, you can then install the debian ones yourself. You may want to back up your config files first and then work your local changes back in. |
| 23:01.12 | themill | abrotman: there was one today |
| 23:01.26 | abrotman | wonders why he didn't see the email .. |
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| 23:03.49 | themill | !dsa lookup DSA-2153-1 |
| 23:03.49 | dpkg | Information about the Debian Security Announcement DSA-2153-1 may be found at http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/DSA-2153-1 . Ask me about <DSA>, <tracker of doom>, <debsecan>. |
| 23:04.31 | abrotman | no, that's fine .. i just either deleted ir or never got it .. |
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| 23:11.05 | AZora | I have php5 with suhosin binary patch but not module. Cookies are being written, but not read. Can I get EITHER support for this issue or a non suhosin hardened version of PHP5? I'd prefer to keep suhosin, and I've already turned off all the features I could including transparent encryption, simulation mode, etc. |
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| 23:11.46 | geegeegee | AZora, try #php |
| 23:11.57 | AZora | they said "it is crap, go away" |
| 23:12.19 | AZora | i'm looking through the apt-cache for php5 variants, but they all have suhosin |
| 23:13.02 | AZora | there is no #suhosin |
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| 23:15.46 | AZora | I've spent nearly a week on this issue and gotten almost no help, now I know where the problem lies I'm basically told by everyone that the ONLY option available is completely unsupported |
| 23:15.56 | AZora | I don't want to format :/ |
| 23:16.42 | raboof | theprep: so you're logged in as root now? |
| 23:17.06 | AZora | core issue: suhosin binary breaks a LOT of the mature code out there. |
| 23:17.57 | raboof | theprep: does /etc/init.d/gdm exist? can you start it ('/etc/init.d/gdm start')? |
| 23:18.00 | abrotman | AZora: you mean the official Debian package have this bug ? |
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| 23:19.41 | AZora | yes, I'm the canary in the coal mine. suhosin breaks PHP. If this goes live and there is no alternative to suhosin hardened binary, people will be forced to either leave debian, compile from source (and lose security/support) or never upgrade |
| 23:19.55 | abrotman | AZora: in lenny? |
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| 23:20.06 | AZora | and everyone is telling me that the official package = unsupported |
| 23:20.13 | AZora | testing, about to go live. |
| 23:20.31 | abrotman | did you contact the maintainers? |
| 23:20.38 | abrotman | !maint php5 squeeze |
| 23:20.49 | themill | ,maint php5 |
| 23:20.50 | judd | Package php5 version 5.3.3-7 was uploaded by OndÅej Surý on 2011-01-05, last changed by OndÅej Surý and maintained by Debian PHP Maintainers. |
| 23:20.53 | AZora | I come here before email |
| 23:21.09 | abrotman | AZora: if it truly doesn't work .. that's an RC bug, and should be filed ASAP |
| 23:21.25 | abrotman | can't imagine it doesn't work .. that's pretty basic functionality |
| 23:21.56 | themill | The lenny version of php5 also carries the suhosin patches |
| 23:22.53 | tharkun | AZora: Do you have a reduced test case that supports what you are saying? |
| 23:23.06 | AZora | 0.9.9.1 suhosin adds some more features, and it changes how the binary works drastically http://www.hardened-php.net/hphp/a_feature_list.html Maybe I'm chicken little, but I can't get basic stuff working :/ |
| 23:23.23 | AZora | I'll make a test case and demonstrate what does and does not work |
| 23:24.07 | tharkun | AZora: that should help developers and maintainers alike. Also it can spot some missconfig on your end. (Please don't get me wrong) |
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| 23:24.18 | abrotman | AZora: the most simple test .. it will be important for the bug report .. |
| 23:24.25 | AZora | *nod* understood and thank you for being polite about it |
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| 23:26.14 | abrotman | AZora: and not to rush you .. but squeeze is due to release very soon .. so uh .. get a move on :) |
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| 23:27.30 | AZora | i'll try to get a lot of test cases done tonight and viewable in a way for maintainers to see what's going, source visible as well |
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| 23:43.27 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 23:43.28 | dpkg | <purplepenguins> I can't get double buffering to work <Flashylight> just add some ketchup |
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| 23:52.41 | I-are- | can anyone help me track down concise instructions for making my computer Japanese capable? I mostly just need to be able to read Japanese text, but I would eventually like to be able to type as well. |
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| 23:53.47 | dondelelcaro | I-are-: just install the right fonts, and it should work. [æ¤ç´¢è³æ] |
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| 23:54.08 | dondelelcaro | doesn't speak japanese, but that's random text from ja.wikipedia.org |
| 23:54.31 | pipeline | I-are-: there's no good way to handle japanese |
| 23:54.44 | pipeline | I-are-: I am not a japanese speaker either, but a close friend and FreeBSD user is |
| 23:54.47 | pipeline | I-are-: his complaints are endless |
| 23:54.59 | pipeline | I-are-: what it comes down to is that Japan is screwy, and they prefer Shift-JIS, an alternate encoding, to UTF-8 or UTF-16 |
| 23:55.22 | pipeline | I-are-: so there's no single default encoding that will handle all japanese text... some is UTF-8, some is JIS/SJIS |
| 23:55.41 | pipeline | I-are-: regardless of locale, for input of japanese text side-by-side with standard english text, I think what you need to google is "X input method" or xim |
| 23:55.59 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: sure, but almost everything that is in some other encoding specifies its encoding, or can be autodetected |
| 23:56.09 | I-are- | hmm well I have been looking for a good linux challenge lately, looks like I found it. |
| 23:56.10 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: yeah in theory. Reality is really messy/nasty when it comes to SJIS |
| 23:56.24 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: lots and lots and lots of web pages that identify themselves as non-UTF english text and contain SJIS |
| 23:56.42 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: worse, documents that mix SJIS and ASCII :\ |
| 23:57.28 | pipeline | I-are-: yeah well the situation is just as bad / worse under windows, because you can't actually localize windows yourself... the only way to completely localize windows is to obtain a kit for OEMs that slipstreams locales. Japanese localization is a nightmare on every OS. |
| 23:57.46 | ansgar | I-are-: http://wiki.debian.org/JapaneseEnvironmentE, but it's outdated (for Etch). For Squeeze, you probably want ibus-anthy. |
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| 23:58.32 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: not so much a problem for the japanese themselves... just assume the entire world is a .jp windows build (i.e. sjis-native) running IE, and shit works perfectly |
| 23:58.33 | ansgar | I-are-: And #debianjp on irc.debian.or.jp might know more than this channel :) |
| 23:58.44 | pipeline | ansgar: yeah but they're probably speaking japanese :D |
| 23:58.47 | I-are- | well I found this, you may take a look at it and see if it is what I want http://dspnet.fr.eu.org/~lonewolf/LinuxJapan/Howto_English_Japanese.html |
| 23:59.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i got a problem i am trying to figure out a solution for. I am trying to figure out a way to authenicate and login as my home network AD users, from my road warrior laptops, I have been thinking of using VPN and then just mounting the shares i need from that.. |
| 23:59.29 | pipeline | I-are-: looks like a good start... like I said, this is all second-hand knowledge. I've never experimented with XIM myself :\ |
| 23:59.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | but i have to be logged in as the local user first.. |
| 23:59.42 | ansgar | I-are-: Looks old as well. |
| 23:59.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | at that point would i just sudo to AD user? and then make changes to the drives on the remote system? |