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| 00:00.08 | n1md4 | evening. has anyone successfully installed hurd on xen? |
| 00:00.11 | n1md4 | perhaps mind a private msg to help me. |
| 00:00.31 | I-are- | well I will try the jp debians as well. Many Japanese can speak english, so they may help me. |
| 00:00.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | i'd have to reconnect to the AD through the VPN, first though. |
| 00:00.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | right? |
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| 00:01.09 | neoice | n1md4: I've never tried or even researched. hvm is probably your best bet although I've had poor success with it. |
| 00:01.43 | ansgar | I-are-: (On Squeeze:) I have ibus-anthy, ibus-gtk, ibus-qt4, anthy, ibus, im-switch installed here (some might be pulled in as dependencies of the others), then run im-switch and select the correct input method. Log on to X again and it might just work. But I might have forgotten some steps. |
| 00:02.16 | I-are- | ansgar, ok thanks. |
| 00:02.48 | anigma | is it common that the newest stable version has some problems with wireless networking? |
| 00:03.21 | I-are- | I have a very basic knowledge of irc, so can I connect to multiple servers with one xchat session, or do I need to open a new session, or just close this one a connect to a new server? |
| 00:05.19 | tharkun | I-are-: /j #your_irc_client_here |
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| 00:06.27 | n1md4 | neoice: I'm chatting on the hurd channel, they seem to know (a little). |
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| 00:12.56 | anigma | is it common that the newest stable version has some problems with wireless networking? |
| 00:13.32 | dvs | anigma: the kernel might not be new enough. |
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| 00:14.43 | anigma | how would I upgrade kernel without an Internet connection, dvs? |
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| 00:15.01 | dvs | anigma: use the squeeze rc2 installer |
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| 00:15.59 | anigma | ah |
| 00:16.07 | dvs | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 00:18.03 | anigma | great, I'll check it out at soon as I've downloaded it from this computer. |
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| 00:18.44 | anigma | would that reinstall everything or mainly just update important files without touching my /home dir and such? |
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| 00:19.58 | abrotman | anigma: what is your wifi device? |
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| 00:21.55 | anigma | just a sec |
| 00:22.09 | abrotman | anigma: lspci -nn |
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| 00:25.17 | anigma | hold on... I wish I could paste the output but I can't since I have to switch between computers. |
| 00:25.23 | tlchack5 | if you are running lighttpd it takes the place of apache correct? |
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| 00:27.13 | dvs | anigma: you only need the wireless line |
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| 00:27.51 | tlchack5 | because a tutorial is having me install apache and lighttpd but I could have sworn lighttpd and apache accomplish the same exact thing. |
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| 00:29.23 | anigma | dvs, it doesn't seem to show up though |
| 00:30.03 | dvs | anigma: lspci -nn | grep -i wire |
| 00:30.25 | abrotman | that would fail on mine |
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| 00:30.46 | abrotman | 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300 [8086:4236] |
| 00:30.46 | abrotman | 15:00.1 FireWire (IEEE 1394) [0c00]: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller [1180:0832] (rev 04) |
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| 00:31.36 | dvs | lspci -nn | grep -i net |
| 00:31.42 | dvs | grumbles |
| 00:32.55 | tlchack5 | anigma: if you can ssh into your server/computer it may help you with the copy/paste |
| 00:34.11 | geegeegee | If i install lenny, will i be able to upgrade to squeeze without any problems? |
| 00:34.14 | anigma | that's exactly what I can't do and I'm also typing with my left hand cause' I had surgery two weeks ago. |
| 00:34.41 | tlchack5 | anigma: well bollocks |
| 00:34.50 | anigma | so bear with me... I'm typing in what the results were :) |
| 00:34.51 | karlpinc | geegeegee: Yes, but at this point there's not a lot of reasons to install lenny. (Although it's always nice to practice following the release notes to upgrade.) |
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| 00:35.28 | geegeegee | karlpinc, is it just a week until it comes out? |
| 00:35.41 | karlpinc | geegeegee: Yes, if all goes as planned. |
| 00:35.48 | geegeegee | ok, thanks |
| 00:35.55 | karlpinc | geegeegee: If you're new to debian see the following, fyi: |
| 00:36.00 | karlpinc | !overview |
| 00:36.00 | dpkg | Debian stable does not always include all the software people need or want so there is much official, semi-official, and non-official software available for stable. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware . Ask me about <security>, <kmuto>, <installer firmware>, <backports>, <volatile>, <multimedia>, <non-free>, <contrib>, <emdebian>, <debian-live>. See also <grounding>, <social contract>. |
| 00:37.22 | anigma | abrotman: got it.. |
| 00:37.25 | anigma | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BC>M5751 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express [14e4:1677] (rev 01) |
| 00:37.28 | anigma | 04:01.0 Network Controller [0280]: RaLink RT2561/RT61 rev B 802.11g [1814:0302] |
| 00:37.43 | abrotman | !RT2561 |
| 00:37.43 | dpkg | Ralink RT61 802.11g PCI chipsets (RT2501/RT2561, RT2600/RT2661) are supported by the rt61pci next-generation driver, included in mainline Linux kernels since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/rt61pci |
| 00:37.54 | abrotman | you just need firmware .. not a different kernel |
| 00:38.27 | anigma | should I query dpkg about ralink firmware? |
| 00:38.45 | dvs | anigma: just do what the last link says |
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| 00:39.39 | anigma | so that's the reason why the Network Manager doesn't show any networks and why it suddenly disappears after a short period? |
| 00:39.46 | anigma | I have no firmware.... |
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| 00:41.15 | jhutchins_lt | anigma: /msg dpkg ralink firmware |
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| 00:44.00 | anigma | also, shouldn't ifconfig work? I get "command not found"... is that weird? |
| 00:44.13 | dvs | as root |
| 00:44.47 | anigma | oh, it only works as root? |
| 00:44.52 | dvs | yes |
| 00:44.55 | anigma | ah |
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| 00:47.13 | anigma | dvs: could I somehow install the required packages by downloading them to another machine, then put on a USB stick and transfer them and finally install? |
| 00:47.27 | dvs | anigma: exactly |
| 00:47.46 | anigma | sweet |
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| 00:48.22 | Arrowmaster | apt-offline |
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| 00:48.51 | Arrowmaster | or apt-zip |
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| 00:49.43 | anigma | at-offline? doesn't that usually require somekind of media to install from? |
| 00:50.08 | anigma | gah, I hate typing with my left hand.. |
| 00:51.58 | abrotman | did you only type with your right hand before? |
| 00:52.28 | anigma | no, but you get the picture... |
| 00:52.39 | anigma | don't be smart-ass :P |
| 00:52.51 | anigma | a |
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| 01:01.36 | anigma | how does someone install .deb packages from the /home dir? |
| 01:01.53 | dvs | anigma: dpkg |
| 01:02.02 | dvs | dpkg -i <filename> |
| 01:02.03 | dpkg | removes a speen from dvs and replaces it with <filename> |
| 01:02.10 | dvs | yikes! |
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| 01:05.05 | anigma | awesome |
| 01:05.13 | anigma | we're online |
| 01:05.24 | beardy | We are? |
| 01:05.24 | dvs | !beer anigma |
| 01:05.24 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Jever for anigma |
| 01:06.02 | anigma | I wish someone wold have told me this 5 months ago. |
| 01:06.15 | dvs | you didn't ask. :-P |
| 01:06.31 | anigma | actually |
| 01:06.34 | anigma | I did.. |
| 01:06.47 | anigma | no ne had a clue then |
| 01:06.51 | dvs | I didn't hear it. ;-P |
| 01:06.52 | beardy | Not in the right way, or enough times. |
| 01:08.04 | beardy | Clelessness has increased around here, but if you had asked at different hours of the day it should have been answered.. |
| 01:08.49 | anigma | ah well. |
| 01:08.56 | anigma | it's all good now |
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| 01:10.47 | dvs | activated a jamming device |
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| 01:11.39 | anigma | of course.. problems right away. I'm connected to my network but I can't ping or get on any sites |
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| 01:13.15 | dvs | anigma: do you use gnome? |
| 01:13.35 | anigma | yes. |
| 01:14.07 | dvs | anigma: you could install network-manager-gnome to do the network configuration. |
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| 01:17.15 | anigma | doesn't gnome by default come with network-manager-gnome? |
| 01:17.38 | dvs | anigma: gnome is already installed? |
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| 01:17.57 | anigma | yes |
| 01:18.13 | dvs | anigma: you can run "dpkg -l network-manager-gnome" to see if it's installed. |
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| 01:19.07 | anigma | indeed it is. |
| 01:19.46 | dvs | run it to configure the network params |
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| 01:24.24 | neoice | so when a linux-image.deb installs, that causes the initrd to build. is there an easy way to build it just from the dpkg or contents? |
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| 01:26.27 | abrotman | neoice: dpkg-reconfigure the kernel package? |
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| 01:34.59 | Delf | I'm new to Debian. But I want to learn to program and contribute in ways I'm interested in. Which coding language would you guys prefer for me to learn? |
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| 01:38.01 | xelister | on Debian can you sux into another user and have audio working there? |
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| 01:40.01 | maher | how do i actually connect to a wireless network using nmcli? |
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| 01:40.25 | cesurasean | what is the firmware-nonfree linux package called in squeeze? I can't seem to get i right. |
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| 01:41.25 | maher | cesurasean: firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 01:41.34 | maher | cesurasean: try aptitude serch firmware |
| 01:41.40 | maher | cesurasean: i mean search |
| 01:42.07 | cesurasean | unable to locate package |
| 01:42.13 | cesurasean | what line needs to be in my sources.list? |
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| 01:42.53 | cesurasean | ok nevermind |
| 01:42.54 | cesurasean | i got it |
| 01:42.56 | cesurasean | thanks |
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| 01:43.20 | firespeaker | who's the inkscape packager? |
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| 01:44.47 | fenugreek | firespeaker: why do you ask? |
| 01:45.04 | BlackFate | firespeaker, apt-cache show inkscape | grep Maintainer |
| 01:46.12 | fenugreek | wolfi has some interesting name |
| 01:46.36 | anigma | I'm getting kind of confused because the gnome network applet shows that I'm connected to a network with full bars, however ifconfig returns that wlan0 is not connected.. |
| 01:46.40 | anigma | how can this be? |
| 01:47.34 | homie | i hate firefox for putting %20 for spaces in my bookmarks everywhere, and other weird things... |
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| 01:49.53 | abrotman | that's not firefox .. |
| 01:50.09 | abrotman | i mean, yes it's doing it .. but that's how it shuld be |
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| 01:52.07 | cesurasean | anyone know why i am getting this error? - Access control violation : Failed to change password using smbpasswd : /bin/sh: /usr/bin/smbpasswd: not found |
| 01:52.23 | cesurasean | I've tried to reinstall samba, no success. |
| 01:52.38 | fenugreek | homie: that's just the tip of the iceberg, wait until you start bookmarking URIs with UTF-8 chars in them |
| 01:52.51 | fenugreek | bottom line is people should be more careful with what they name things on live sites |
| 01:53.06 | fenugreek | or the titles they use |
| 01:55.09 | cesurasean | fileserver:~# /usr/bin/smbpasswd |
| 01:55.09 | cesurasean | -bash: /usr/bin/smbpasswd: No such file or directory |
| 01:55.18 | cesurasean | this is happening on squeeze, using samba |
| 01:55.23 | cesurasean | how do i fix this problem? |
| 01:55.32 | riddlebox | where are the files that apt-get downloads? |
| 01:55.36 | amphi | anigma: what does iwconfig say? n-m may just be showing the link |
| 01:56.07 | maher | riddlebox: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 01:56.12 | riddlebox | ahh thanks |
| 01:56.19 | anigma | amphi: wlan0 has no ESSID for sure.. |
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| 01:57.12 | neoice | when squeeze comes out, how long will I still be able to use lenny-netinstall disks? |
| 01:57.23 | amphi | anigma: so n-m is just showing signal strength as would iwlist wlan0 scan ? |
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| 01:57.49 | amphi | has never used n-m |
| 01:58.02 | anigma | amphi: exactly. |
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| 01:59.19 | cesurasean | anyone know why im getting this on squeeze? -bash: /usr/bin/smbpasswd: No such file or directory |
| 01:59.23 | anigma | would it matter if I changed my nameservers in resolv.conf? |
| 01:59.42 | cesurasean | I have samba, and samba-common installed from what apt says, and I've tried reinstalling. |
| 02:02.25 | cesurasean | Are you guys telling me that Samba packages are possibly broken on squeeze right now? |
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| 02:04.17 | dvs | cesurasean: is the samba-common-bin package installed? |
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| 02:07.24 | cesurasean | dvs, thanks |
| 02:07.27 | dvs | np |
| 02:08.15 | cesurasean | thanks now its working again... |
| 02:08.54 | anigma | okey, so I changed the nameservers and suddenly I'm connected as shown on both network manager and ifconfig. Still I can't ping or get on any website. |
| 02:09.31 | anigma | am I missing something here? |
| 02:11.06 | anigma | also my wireless router tells me the debian machine is connected. |
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| 02:18.31 | flypiper | Debian uses udev, the box was confuesed as to which whas eth0 and wlan1 |
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| 02:19.32 | anigma | and you corrected it how exactly? |
| 02:19.36 | fenugreek | I doubt udev has much to do with it |
| 02:20.24 | flypiper | udev was the problem, |
| 02:20.38 | flypiper | why do you say udev doesn't have much to do with it |
| 02:20.39 | flypiper | ??? |
| 02:20.49 | flypiper | my laptop works great |
| 02:21.03 | fenugreek | how was udev the problem? |
| 02:21.27 | flypiper | I edited 70-persitant-net rules and changed "Wlan1 to eth1" |
| 02:21.46 | fenugreek | ah, so your configuration wasn't right |
| 02:21.51 | fenugreek | or what you wanted |
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| 02:22.21 | flypiper | my configuration... it was a brand new install... looks like the default udev setting wasn't right |
| 02:22.38 | fenugreek | I suppose that's possible |
| 02:22.54 | flypiper | but that is why users aren't using Debian....its borked and nobody gives a crap |
| 02:23.06 | stew | flypiper: what was wrong with the setting? |
| 02:23.10 | anigma | because it said your wlan was 1 and not 0? well, mine says it's wlan0... |
| 02:23.10 | flypiper | Im telling you how to fix it |
| 02:23.16 | dvs | flypiper: or it could be that there is no firmware files during the install |
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| 02:24.15 | fenugreek | flypiper: more users use Debian than any other distro, and it's because it's probably the most stable Linux distro ever |
| 02:24.20 | flypiper | doesn't matter.. it was a b43 and I installed the firmware and everything it neede.. and it still didn't work till I chjanged the udev settings |
| 02:24.24 | fenugreek | and that's coming from someone who doesn't use Debian much |
| 02:24.33 | stew | flypiper: what was wrong with the udev settings? |
| 02:24.38 | un214 | I beg to differ |
| 02:24.39 | fenugreek | if you find a bug, file a bug report |
| 02:24.42 | un214 | slackware is more stable |
| 02:25.00 | fenugreek | un214: _and_ easy to use |
| 02:25.16 | stew | lets not start useless distro wars... |
| 02:25.23 | un214 | now the problem here is the reverse-engineered b43 firmware is still bugged |
| 02:25.24 | flypiper | fenugreek, I know it stable, but you have to get it to work or people won't use it,,, the freaking web browser doesn't evne have a flash plugin.. Stock new install |
| 02:25.43 | fenugreek | flypiper: that's by design |
| 02:25.48 | fenugreek | as for your udev config, bugs happen |
| 02:25.49 | stew | flypiper: "aptitude install gnash" for a flash plugin |
| 02:25.53 | fenugreek | in every distro |
| 02:26.00 | un214 | ubuntu went out to solve the presence stuff and the installer stuff |
| 02:26.17 | fenugreek | Ubuntu used an installer that Debian already had |
| 02:26.18 | un214 | ended up changing tons of stuff but couldn't change the presence |
| 02:26.24 | fenugreek | presence? |
| 02:26.34 | stew | i don't believe what happened with his udev config can be explained by "bugs happen" as I doubt it was actually a bug |
| 02:26.34 | un214 | all this stuff not in the default install |
| 02:26.41 | flypiper | stew, Im not try to start a problem, but the last Debian install I did... made me wanna go someplace else, I been a debian user for 20 years |
| 02:26.41 | fenugreek | stew: as do I |
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| 02:26.48 | fenugreek | stew: but even if it was a bug, they happen |
| 02:26.48 | stew | if it was "i don't like the name wlan1". that is not a bug |
| 02:26.54 | un214 | b43 doesn't like being on wlan* |
| 02:27.03 | stew | flypiper: you have not been a debian user for 20 years... |
| 02:27.30 | flypiper | stew,,, your right 10 years |
| 02:27.57 | flypiper | anigma |
| 02:28.13 | stew | flypiper: anyway, what is the setting that was incorrect? |
| 02:28.22 | flypiper | anigma, let me finish telling you what I did to fix my laptop |
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| 02:28.43 | un214 | broadcom wireless defaulted to wlan0 |
| 02:28.47 | sbft | What's the preferred may to mark a particular bug in Debian BTS as a duplicate of another? |
| 02:28.55 | un214 | broadcom wireless needs to be on eth* to work |
| 02:29.01 | flypiper | I edited /etc/udev/70-persistant-net.rules and changed wlan1 to eth1 |
| 02:29.20 | sbft | flypiper: persistent it is. |
| 02:29.24 | stew | sbft http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control#clone |
| 02:30.06 | stew | un214: the driver breaks if it isn't eth*? is this a driver in debian? |
| 02:30.09 | sbft | stew: that seems like the opposite |
| 02:30.13 | stew | un214: or is it an out of tree driver |
| 02:30.14 | flypiper | anigma, then I made a file static-nic.rules and put it in /etc/udev in static-nic.rules I mapped the mac address to each device...eth0 and eth1 |
| 02:30.26 | un214 | it's in stock linux kernel |
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| 02:30.37 | un214 | in the absence of udev it binds to eth* |
| 02:30.39 | stew | sbft: yikes sorry, i missed, I meant merge, the next one down |
| 02:30.46 | un214 | the udev rules try to bind it to wlan* |
| 02:30.56 | un214 | it doesn't work on wlan* |
| 02:30.56 | stew | flypiper: is there a bug filed about this? |
| 02:31.10 | stew | the bug should be filed against the kernel, not udev, of course |
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| 02:31.30 | stew | driver shouldn't dissallow the use of 'ip link set name...' |
| 02:31.37 | un214 | the driver was reverse-compiled from broadcom |
| 02:31.48 | un214 | they violated GPL and didn't ship source for it |
| 02:32.02 | stew | un214: what violated gpl? |
| 02:32.07 | un214 | Broadcom |
| 02:32.10 | access_d | did something replace conky? doesn't seem to be in the squeeze repos.. |
| 02:32.20 | access_d | i tried conky-all as well |
| 02:32.22 | stew | un214: of what source code? |
| 02:32.24 | un214 | they shipped a binary driver prelinked with kernel |
| 02:32.42 | un214 | in a (linksys?) embedded router |
| 02:32.51 | fenugreek | access_d: packages.debian.org disagrees with you |
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| 02:33.20 | flypiper | anigma, the lines in my static file look like this "KERNEL="eth", SFSFS{addres}="your cards mac address", NAME="eth0" |
| 02:33.23 | amphi | access_d: it's in contrib |
| 02:33.32 | un214 | anyway the code is sensitive |
| 02:33.37 | access_d | fenugreek: i know, i saw this.. but a simple 'apt-get install conky' .......... nevermind, i probably don't have contrib set. :) |
| 02:33.41 | stew | access_d: it was moved out of main and into conrib |
| 02:34.20 | access_d | thanks for the heads up fellas.. |
| 02:34.27 | un214 | is there anyway to run w/o /dev being a ramdisk? |
| 02:34.59 | flypiper | stew, I have been a tester of linux systems on embeded devices ipaq, now iphone |
| 02:35.06 | stew | flypiper: ok? |
| 02:35.46 | fenugreek | I had a desktop iPaq once |
| 02:35.54 | flypiper | stew, not a rookie at this game |
| 02:35.58 | stew | un214: yes, but not if you use initramfs. however more and more userspace software has been depending on udev. i'm not sure if its possible to run x without hal (an therefore udev) anymore |
| 02:36.02 | stew | flypiper: ok? |
| 02:36.12 | un214 | I don't mean w/o udev |
| 02:36.20 | un214 | I mean udev to a hardwared /dev |
| 02:36.58 | sbft | udev can work with a /dev that's not on tmpfs |
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| 02:39.01 | anigma | flypiper: I totally get what you're saying but I shouldn't need to go through this process each time I install Debian on a machine... |
| 02:39.23 | anigma | that would seem very stressful after some time |
| 02:39.26 | flypiper | I just insalled Debian on a second laptop HP dv6000 and it has a 3945 wireless in it.. and it shows wlan1.. same thing with udev |
| 02:39.51 | anigma | yes, but my shows wlan0 |
| 02:40.30 | flypiper | anigma, I don't think you should go through that much configuration. as a user you should just have to use networkmanager or wifi-radar and be able to configure it. |
| 02:40.40 | beardy | !noob |
| 02:40.40 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
| 02:41.10 | flypiper | anigma, but with the way udev and the kernel is set up... you can't configure it using those tools. |
| 02:41.54 | amphi | anigma: what is the card? |
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| 02:42.27 | flypiper | anigma, do lspci from a terminal as root and tell me what your wirless card is |
| 02:42.29 | un214 | considerinng /dev is mounted before / it looks like changing it is changing quite a lot |
| 02:42.40 | jimmybgood | do I need to mention it if I'm a b00b |
| 02:42.55 | fenugreek | !boob |
| 02:42.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, boob is (.) |
| 02:43.01 | fenugreek | interesting |
| 02:43.05 | fenugreek | jimmybgood: but I guess that's a no |
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| 02:43.58 | un214 | actually the boot sripts do not support udev to a real /dev |
| 02:44.07 | un214 | tries to write to /dev before / is rw |
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| 02:44.39 | anigma | amphi: it's a RaLink RT2561/RT61 |
| 02:45.11 | amphi | only ralink I've used was a 2500 if I recall correctly |
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| 02:45.56 | amphi | anigma: perhaps you should try wicd; it has always worked well for me |
| 02:46.12 | anigma | wicd? |
| 02:47.08 | flypiper | amphi, have him try them all they won't work till the devices are sorted out by the kernel.. I been fighting this for a week with a new install |
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| 02:48.34 | amphi | 'devices are sorted out by the kernel'? you suggest the ralink driver won't work if the device is named wlan0 ? |
| 02:48.48 | flypiper | exactly |
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| 02:49.34 | flypiper | you must not have had the pleasure of installing the latest greatest ... try it out |
| 02:49.42 | amphi | how odd; I have no ralink card to test this theory on |
| 02:50.00 | flypiper | don't forget all of the backports... |
| 02:50.11 | anigma | and it actually worked for you when mapped wlan0 to wlan1? |
| 02:50.28 | gbear14275 | anyone have any guesses on release date for debian 6? |
| 02:50.40 | amphi | flypiper: what other drivers/cards does this apply to? |
| 02:50.49 | fenugreek | gbear14275: sometime after it's finished, probably |
| 02:50.55 | flypiper | I have a 3945 right now in an HP dv6000 doing the same thing dmesg shows all the drivers and firmware loaded... should work.. doesn't |
| 02:50.57 | fenugreek | flypiper: you talking about stable, or? |
| 02:51.14 | dvs | !topicsmite gbear14275 |
| 02:51.14 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon gbear14275. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 02:51.24 | flypiper | Im talking about the release in December |
| 02:51.39 | amphi | flypiper: with what kernel? |
| 02:51.41 | flypiper | your realeases confuse me... |
| 02:51.47 | gbear14275 | is smote |
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| 02:51.57 | gbear14275 | dvs, thanks |
| 02:51.57 | anigma | I'm on stable though |
| 02:52.01 | dvs | np |
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| 02:52.15 | fenugreek | -december isn't a version |
| 02:53.16 | amphi | my intel 4965 is happy enough being yclept wlan0 |
| 02:53.33 | fenugreek | gbear14275: Wikipedia seems to think early February |
| 02:53.56 | simonrvn | flypiper: 5.0.7? 5.0.6? squeeze is releasing in feb. |
| 02:53.59 | flypiper | amphi, gimme a sec.. kid callin |
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| 02:54.11 | sbft | In Soviet Russia, you call the kid! |
| 02:54.39 | flypiper | simonrvn, it's 3.0.7 |
| 02:54.49 | flypiper | simonrvn, it's 5.0.7 |
| 02:55.13 | flypiper | sbft, this is little kid |
| 02:55.31 | simonrvn | if you have security.d.o updates you have the latest (5.0.8) so this is moot |
| 02:55.46 | anigma | amphi: so still recommend me trying wicd? |
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| 02:56.13 | sbft | there has not been a x.1 release in years, so people could actually do s/x.y.z/x.z/ |
| 02:56.18 | sbft | just a thought.. |
| 02:56.41 | dvs | 3.1? |
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| 02:56.53 | sbft | yes, years. |
| 02:56.55 | amphi | anigma: you can associate the interface with your router, get an address from the router, and ping it? |
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| 02:57.18 | wolever | I've just installed Squeeze, and right after Grub loads Linux, the screen resolution changes to something my monitor doesn't support. I've tried the GRUB_GFXMODE settings suggested by http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/01/msg00714.html , but they have only applied to Grub (ie, when Linux starts loading, it still makes the bad resolution change). How can I fix that? |
| 02:57.33 | flypiper | amphi, the kernel is 2.6.26.2-686 #1 SMP Thu Nov 25 01:53:57 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:57.51 | un214 | try disable fbcon |
| 02:57.58 | sbft | vga=0 nomodeset |
| 02:58.00 | fenugreek | wolever: check your grub.cfg for framebuffer config options |
| 02:58.07 | gbear14275 | thats not good... "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources"... <-- anyone have any advice? |
| 02:58.18 | dvs | fenugreek: grub is not the problem |
| 02:58.25 | amphi | I don't have much recollection of that, but I have never had any trouble with device names |
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| 02:58.35 | fenugreek | dvs: didn't say it was |
| 02:58.36 | dvs | oh sorry |
| 02:58.40 | fenugreek | =D |
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| 02:59.27 | wolever | fenugreek: I don't see anything that obviously looks like framebuffer config options⦠Any keywords I should look for? |
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| 03:01.19 | dvs | wolever: use the video kernel option to set the resolution. |
| 03:01.28 | anigma | amphi: I'm able to ping whichever address the machine is assigned. If I ping, say the gateway which ends with 1.1 it automatically pings 1.2. Why is that? |
| 03:01.38 | fenugreek | wolever: any numbers, basically |
| 03:01.44 | wolever | dvs: alright, will try. Thanks. |
| 03:01.50 | dvs | np |
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| 03:02.17 | amphi | anigma: are you sure that's what it does? |
| 03:02.52 | wolever | dvs: ah ha, that did it. Thanks (cc: fenugreek ) |
| 03:03.36 | fenugreek | you didn't have anything on the kernel line for framebuffer config already? |
| 03:03.37 | dvs | !beer wolever |
| 03:03.38 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Gulden Drak for wolever |
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| 03:04.24 | anigma | amphi: yes. pining its own address works perfectly. However pinging 192.168.1.1 shows that 192.168.1.2 is unreachable |
| 03:04.41 | anigma | s/pining/pinging |
| 03:04.42 | un214 | !seven-up |
| 03:04.47 | un214 | !7up |
| 03:04.47 | dpkg | well, 7up is the uncola never had it, never will, much like kris. |
| 03:05.14 | amphi | anigma: is the interface associated? iwconfig will tell you |
| 03:05.31 | anigma | yes. |
| 03:05.49 | flypiper | amphi, that is exactly what I had |
| 03:06.00 | amphi | how did you configure the interface ip address? |
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| 03:06.19 | flypiper | amphi, what error messages do you have with dmesg?? |
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| 03:06.30 | anigma | I'm using DHCP I guess.. |
| 03:06.34 | amphi | ETAB |
| 03:06.46 | anigma | I basically just logged on via network manager |
| 03:06.53 | flypiper | amphi, do you have a NET_CONFIG error there? |
| 03:07.16 | flypiper | amphi, OK.. I will stop |
| 03:07.24 | amphi | flypiper: do I? no, my card works well |
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| 03:08.46 | flypiper | amphi, he won't do what I ask him ... Thanks |
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| 03:09.43 | anigma | flypiper: I'm just exploring oyher options first... |
| 03:10.18 | stew | anigma: does "192.168.1.1 shows that 192.168.1.2 is unreachable" or is it that pinging 192.168.1.1 gets you an error where 192.168.1.2 tells you that 192.168.1.1 is unreachable? |
| 03:10.30 | stew | anigma: can you show us the actual command the actual output? |
| 03:11.19 | amphi | I had assumed the latter |
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| 03:12.43 | un214 | 192.168.1.2 could be a pseudo-ip owned by a router |
| 03:13.01 | un214 | sometimes they don't answer directly |
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| 03:13.22 | anigma | PING 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 03:13.22 | anigma | From 192.168.1.2 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 03:13.35 | anigma | is basically what happens. |
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| 03:14.41 | stew | anigma: can you show us the output of "ip a ; ip r" in a pastebin? |
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| 03:15.39 | stew | anigma: this is not as you thought it was. it is saying that 192.168.1.2 is unreachable, it is that you are reaching 192.168.1.2 it it is telling you that it cannot reach 192.168.1.1 |
| 03:16.44 | anigma | but I'm pinging 192.168.1.1... |
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| 03:16.54 | stew | anigma: that's clear, yes |
| 03:17.18 | anigma | doesn't make any sense to as to why it would return 1.2 then |
| 03:17.24 | stew | anigma: why not? |
| 03:17.25 | anigma | to me |
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| 03:17.49 | anigma | cause' I'm trying to ping the default gateway |
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| 03:17.54 | anigma | and no 1.2 |
| 03:17.59 | stew | anigma: can you show us your routing table please? |
| 03:18.27 | stew | (using a pastebin) |
| 03:18.55 | anigma | stew: I wish it was that easy as I'm currently not online with the machine I'm trying to fix. |
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| 03:20.06 | stew | i wish it were easy to fix someones networking without knowing anything about the network configuration, but that is also nt easy |
| 03:20.52 | dvs | stew: you're not psychic? |
| 03:21.05 | stew | i'm not any kind of chic |
| 03:21.05 | anigma | tousche |
| 03:21.10 | anigma | eh, -s |
| 03:21.55 | anigma | what exactly are you looking for in ip a ; ip r? |
| 03:22.47 | stew | your ip address and your routing table |
| 03:23.02 | stew | (address(es)) |
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| 03:24.36 | flypiper | anigma, Do you have a wire you could connect to your box? My guess is it won't work either, but it might |
| 03:25.05 | anigma | stew: these are the last 4 lines from ip a ; ip r |
| 03:25.07 | anigma | http://pastebin.com/kZVhinQj |
| 03:25.32 | anigma | flypiper: at the moment I do not have that |
| 03:25.47 | anigma | but I'm working on it |
| 03:25.57 | anigma | buying one as soon as the stores open |
| 03:26.11 | anigma | it's about 4:26 am here |
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| 03:27.42 | stew | anigma: uh, you cannot have two default gateways on the default table |
| 03:27.55 | stew | anigma: are you trying to use eth0 or wlan0? |
| 03:28.00 | anigma | wlan0 |
| 03:28.25 | un214 | well you can have two default gateways, but not behind nat |
| 03:28.37 | stew | anigma: run "ip link set eth0 down" and try again |
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| 03:29.08 | anigma | haha |
| 03:29.09 | stew | anigma: you see that you are 192.168.1.2 on eth0, it is trying to use eth0, and that is the one that gives you unreachable |
| 03:29.13 | anigma | that worked! |
| 03:29.21 | anigma | ah |
| 03:29.24 | anigma | well |
| 03:29.36 | anigma | that only took 4 hours to figure out |
| 03:29.45 | anigma | stupid of me. |
| 03:30.16 | fenugreek | anigma: that's 4 hours you could've been drinking beer, man |
| 03:30.36 | fenugreek | I mean just drinking beer |
| 03:30.54 | anigma | dude, I've totally been drinking this entire time bro. |
| 03:31.17 | dvs | thats the problem! |
| 03:31.17 | fenugreek | I mean _just_ drinking beer =) |
| 03:31.38 | anigma | yes, and yes. |
| 03:31.42 | anigma | to you both |
| 03:31.46 | anigma | :) |
| 03:31.49 | n1k0s | Is it bad if the permissions for the /lib64 -> /lib folder are lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root? |
| 03:32.12 | un214 | no |
| 03:32.25 | un214 | linux can't set permissions on symlinks easily |
| 03:32.26 | fenugreek | but you mean /lib -> /lib64, right? |
| 03:32.36 | n1k0s | ls |
| 03:32.40 | un214 | sometimes its the otherway around |
| 03:32.44 | stew | n1k0s: the l at the beginning means symlink and they always appear as 777, they just inherit the permissions of the link target |
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| 03:33.05 | anigma | stew: should I disable eth0 from trying to automatically connect at the next startup? |
| 03:33.29 | un214 | actually the r and x get interpreted so if you clear them the permissions apply on the link |
| 03:33.42 | un214 | but there is no lchmod even though there is lchown |
| 03:33.55 | un214 | so only a fs debugger can clear the bits |
| 03:34.48 | n1k0s | ls |
| 03:35.26 | n1k0s | Fenugreek: Gahh sorry for the miss clicks! |
| 03:35.41 | fenugreek | n1k0s: eh? |
| 03:35.53 | n1k0s | Fenugreek: I mean both the /lib and /lib64 directory |
| 03:36.24 | kuhkatz | anigma, depends on if you still want to get that cable :) |
| 03:36.27 | fenugreek | okay, I was just curious |
| 03:36.38 | n1k0s | Am I not suppose to have both dirs? |
| 03:36.42 | n1k0s | I am very new to debian |
| 03:36.49 | fenugreek | n1k0s: one isn't a dir, you're fine |
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| 03:37.48 | anigma | kuhkatz: heh, sure. But I have no use for it at this moment. |
| 03:38.03 | fenugreek | n1k0s: there used to be just /lib/, then 64-bit came, now we play games to support 32-bit and 64-bit simultaneously |
| 03:38.43 | jmarsden | un214: symlinks do not have permissions in any meaningful sense. See http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/faq/part3/section-5.html |
| 03:38.55 | un214 | on hpux they sure did |
| 03:39.13 | un214 | also there is latent code in lx kernel that at least checks x bit |
| 03:39.17 | fenugreek | un214: you still use hpux at all? |
| 03:39.23 | un214 | been awhile |
| 03:39.31 | fenugreek | old job? |
| 03:39.40 | un214 | not since college |
| 03:39.48 | fenugreek | college, interesting |
| 03:40.06 | kuhkatz | anigma, i think its safe to disable eth0 if you are not using it at all |
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| 03:40.15 | karlpinc | n1k0s: Those new to debian can find http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware useful |
| 03:40.53 | un214 | in fiddling around with fs, created a lrwx--------- symlink |
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| 03:41.01 | n1k0s | karlpinc: thx |
| 03:41.03 | un214 | found only owner could use it |
| 03:41.03 | rektide | i'm trying to copy my debian OS onto another hard drive |
| 03:41.30 | rektide | do i need to do anything to set up a /proc, /sys, or /dev on the new drive? |
| 03:41.45 | un214 | directories must exist |
| 03:41.51 | karlpinc | n1k0s: (Try typing "/msg dpkg overview" in your irc client for more general info and references to other factoids.) |
| 03:41.53 | un214 | boot scripts mount them |
| 03:42.04 | fenugreek | rektide: copy while the existing system isn't running and you'll probably be good to go |
| 03:42.29 | karlpinc | rektide: No. They just need to exist as directories so there's a mount point. |
| 03:42.31 | rektide | my understanding is /sys and /proc are all "virtual", but i dont knwo whether there is some real contents in /dev or if there's some way to initialize /dev ahead of time |
| 03:42.39 | un214 | using find -xdev | cpio can copy while running |
| 03:42.44 | karlpinc | rektide: udev does dev for you. |
| 03:42.49 | rektide | ok then. i'll give it a go. cant hurt. thanks all. |
| 03:42.57 | un214 | you have to mkdir mountpoints afterwords |
| 03:43.02 | karlpinc | un214: I always preferred tar. YMMV. |
| 03:43.13 | un214 | tar can't do this one |
| 03:43.14 | fenugreek | depends on the situation |
| 03:43.16 | rektide | karlpinc: thanks, i knew udev was responsible for creating /dev contents, just didnt know if it alone was all that would be required |
| 03:43.17 | un214 | this is cpio -p |
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| 03:43.37 | karlpinc | un214: Why not? |
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| 03:44.28 | un214 | cpio -p does not make an archive |
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| 03:44.38 | fenugreek | he doesn't actually want an archive |
| 03:44.43 | karlpinc | un214: (tar --one-file-system on each partition.) |
| 03:44.53 | fenugreek | although he could use one, obviously |
| 03:45.11 | karlpinc | un214: tar -cf - / | tar -C /newdrive -xf - |
| 03:45.45 | un214 | I know that. That's two tars |
| 03:46.10 | stew | anigma: if the eth0 isn't usable, it shouldn't be up. no matter what, you should not have more than one default gateway |
| 03:46.34 | un214 | two default gateways = may use either |
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| 03:46.42 | karlpinc | un214: Sure. It's more general. I do it all the time with ssh running one of the tars. |
| 03:46.45 | un214 | further equals ip must be public |
| 03:47.07 | un214 | so no doing that in the 192.168.0 region |
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| 03:49.31 | stew | its not like with 2 default gateways, both will be used, however. with 2 default gateways, 1 will always be unused. in his case it was the wrong one |
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| 04:01.12 | parolang | Does anyone remember what the commandline program is called that searches specific web pages for you e.g. wikipedia and displays the result? |
| 04:01.30 | parolang | Sort of like a set of web crawlers written for certain web sites? |
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| 04:02.11 | fenugreek | parolang: surfraw? |
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| 04:02.28 | parolang | yes! |
| 04:02.30 | parolang | thanks |
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| 04:07.02 | IceWewe | I'm trying to make a tape backup, but for some reason /dev/st0 is not a character device. Instead it's showing up as "bzip2 compressed data, block size =900k" |
| 04:07.04 | IceWewe | what the heck? |
| 04:07.24 | IceWewe | does anyone else have a tape drive? what's the device type normally? |
| 04:07.33 | IceWewe | more importantly, how do I fix this? |
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| 04:11.34 | jmarsden | IceWewe: /sbin/MAKEDEV st0 # But I don't have a tape drive and so cannot test this :) |
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| 04:12.24 | IceWewe | jmarsden, doesn't change the dev type... /dev/st0: bzip2 compressed data, block size = 900k |
| 04:12.54 | jmarsden | IceWewe: Maybe rm /dev/st0 and then /sbin/MAKEDEV st0 ? |
| 04:13.33 | IceWewe | .udevdb or .udev presence implies active udev. Aborting MAKEDEV invocation. |
| 04:13.41 | IceWewe | perhaps I'm supposed to use udev to create the device? |
| 04:14.02 | jmarsden | OK, so your machine thinks udeb will create the device for you... I think that's what the error means! |
| 04:14.05 | parolang | Um...I didn't know that surfraw was written by Julian Assange. :/ |
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| 04:18.30 | jimmybgood | IceWewe: the problem could be that the drivers for your tape drive didn't get loaded so udev didn't know to create the device file |
| 04:19.10 | IceWewe | jimmybgood, SCSI tape support is a module in my kernel, the module is loaded on boot |
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| 04:21.08 | fenugreek | parolang: ...no way |
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| 04:21.38 | fenugreek | parolang: that's so weird |
| 04:21.42 | jimmybgood | IceWewe: Is your ttape drive recognized by the module (driver)? There should be a reference to it in dmesg and kern.log just after the module (st and osst) are loaded |
| 04:21.50 | fenugreek | like when you watch an old film or a film you haven't seen in ages |
| 04:21.55 | IceWewe | jimmybgood, weird. the tape drive isn't showing up in lshw... perhaps there's something wrong with the cable/drive |
| 04:21.58 | fenugreek | and recognize an actor that only recently came to prominence |
| 04:22.22 | IceWewe | jimmybgood, it was working a few weeks ago. Perhaps there's a hardware issue. |
| 04:22.30 | Pinchiukas | Why do I get these: http://pastebin.com/1GWmmCwU each time the IP lease is renewed? "Could not find child" especially. |
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| 04:22.43 | IceWewe | the drive still physically works, but mt hasn't been happy. |
| 04:22.57 | IceWewe | I'll look into it tomorrow when I'm in front of the machine. |
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| 04:23.47 | jimmybgood | jimmybgood: yup, could be as simple as a loose power connector |
| 04:24.07 | jimmybgood | duh IceWewe |
| 04:24.13 | IceWewe | I got it ;) |
| 04:25.23 | parolang | fenugreek: yeah |
| 04:25.45 | parolang | fenugreek: Would it be weird that now I have a slightly better opinion of the guy because of this? |
| 04:25.55 | fenugreek | parolang: no, I have, too |
| 04:25.58 | fenugreek | programmers > * |
| 04:26.04 | parolang | heh |
| 04:26.28 | fenugreek | I hadn't really been reading up on him at all, he could've just been a useless figurehead |
| 04:27.29 | parolang | yeah, me too |
| 04:27.44 | parolang | I'm reading his Wikipedia page :D |
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| 04:28.54 | parolang | If you have surfraw installed, read the man page. I don't know how much of it is his writing, but I have the feeling that much of it is his "style". |
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| 04:30.00 | parolang | e.g., one of the examples: $ surfraw google -results=100 RMS, GNU, which is sinner, which is sin? |
| 04:32.03 | Pinchiukas | Anybody can tell me where is the new_netbios_name_servers in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/samba supposed to come from? |
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| 04:34.05 | fenugreek | parolang: well the homepage has dates assigned to the authors/copyright |
| 04:34.19 | fenugreek | so presumably the bulk of code available for X date would be attributable to him |
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| 04:38.23 | parolang | yeah |
| 04:39.38 | meder | what's a way to jump out of screen? |
| 04:39.56 | meder | i screen -r'd into a program that's running and i dont want to ctrl-c out of it |
| 04:40.00 | meder | i cant type 'exit' |
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| 04:42.43 | jmarsden | meder: ctrl-a d will detach screen from the current terminal, or ctrl-a z will suspend screen... btw man screen tells you this. |
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| 04:43.15 | fenugreek | long man page, though =) |
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| 04:43.54 | WebDawg | zZzZzZzZz |
| 04:44.05 | jmarsden | fenugreek: well, not compared to man bash :) |
| 04:45.00 | fenugreek | wonder how it compares to the X pages |
| 04:46.10 | jmarsden | fenugreek: man foo | wc -l # gets you a rough idea |
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| 04:48.18 | fenugreek | jmarsden: grepping options/shortcuts only would be interesting |
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| 04:54.34 | Some_Person | I need help. Something went wrong with a debian repo I'm running |
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| 04:55.11 | pooshwalter | Je vous salue CANADA! |
| 04:55.13 | pooshwalter | Je vous salue CANADA! Je vous salue CANADA! |
| 04:55.15 | pooshwalter | Je vous salue CANADA! Je vous salue CANADA! Je vous salue CANADA! |
| 04:55.18 | pooshwalter | Je vous salue CANADA! Je vous salue CANADA! Je vous salue CANADA! Je vous salue CANADA! |
| 04:55.18 | pooshwalter | Je vous salue CANADA! Je vous salue CANADA! Je vous salue CANADA! |
| 04:55.20 | pooshwalter | Je vous salue CANADA! Je vous salue CANADA! |
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| 04:55.21 | pooshwalter | Je vous salue CANADA! |
| 04:56.22 | Some_Person | Something went wrong with the /dists folder |
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| 04:57.02 | pooshwalter | Je vous salue CANADA! |
| 04:57.04 | pooshwalter | Je vous salue CANADA! Je vous salue CANADA! |
| 04:57.05 | pooshwalter | Je vous salue CANADA! Je vous salue CANADA! Je vous salue CANADA! |
| 04:57.06 | pooshwalter | Je vous salue CANADA! Je vous salue CANADA! Je vous salue CANADA! Je vous salue CANADA! |
| 04:57.08 | pooshwalter | Je vous salue CANADA! Je vous salue CANADA! Je vous salue CANADA! |
| 04:57.10 | pooshwalter | Je vous salue CANADA! Je vous salue CANADA! |
| 04:57.11 | Some_Person | Somebody please help me |
| 04:57.12 | pooshwalter | Je vous salue CANADA! |
| 04:57.16 | Pinchiukas | Oh god... |
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| 04:57.31 | Some_Person | And someone ban this moron |
| 04:57.49 | pooshwalter | hi SOME_PERSON |
| 04:57.57 | pooshwalter | do you je vous salue CANADA? |
| 04:58.16 | Canar | i'm canadian and that doesn't even make sense |
| 04:58.26 | pooshwaltzer | shut it Canar |
| 04:58.34 | pooshwaltzer | you clearly do no je vous salue canada |
| 04:58.39 | pooshwaltzer | you should be ashamed |
| 04:58.45 | Canar | OK |
| 04:58.54 | pooshwaltzer | yeah |
| 04:59.04 | pooshwaltzer | wallow in your shame |
| 04:59.09 | pooshwaltzer | Je vous salue CANADA! |
| 04:59.11 | pooshwaltzer | Je vous salue CANADA! Je vous salue CANADA! |
| 04:59.12 | pooshwaltzer | Je vous salue CANADA! Je vous salue CANADA! Je vous salue CANADA! |
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| 05:00.02 | fenugreek | stew: what are you anti Canadian? :) |
| 05:00.14 | Some_Person | is anti-troll |
| 05:00.25 | Canar | i think he's anti-stupidity, based on his actions |
| 05:01.07 | Pinchiukas | Anybody can tell me where is the new_netbios_name_servers in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/samba supposed to come from? |
| 05:01.13 | Some_Person | Anyway, can anybody help me with my apt repository? The /dists directory is screwed up |
| 05:01.15 | noodles900 | thanks stew :) |
| 05:01.53 | fenugreek | yeah Canada's alright |
| 05:02.12 | Some_Person | Will I need to reupload all the packages? |
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| 05:03.26 | jmarsden | Some_Person: First, find out what screwed it up. Second, make sure that can't happen again. Third, restore from backups. Right? |
| 05:03.49 | Some_Person | jmarsden: 1. Unknown. 2. If cause is unknown, prevention is impossible. 3. Backups do not exist. |
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| 05:04.03 | Pinchiukas | Why do I get these: http://pastebin.com/1GWmmCwU each time the IP lease is renewed? "Could not find child" especially. |
| 05:04.47 | Some_Person | The stuff in /pool and /conf seems fine. Is there some way to regenerate /dists? |
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| 05:06.57 | jmarsden | If you have all the packages (in /pool) worset case you should be able to move them else where and use them as a source fore regenerating the repository, I would think. |
| 05:07.52 | Some_Person | jmarsden: That would mean reuploading everything |
| 05:08.52 | Some_Person | Is there some command(s) that can just fix /dists? |
| 05:08.53 | jmarsden | Why? The files are there. Run a script on that machine which uses the packages to recreate the repo. Should be no need to move files over the network to do that. |
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| 05:09.40 | Some_Person | The physical machine is somewhere out there in the world. I have the repository on here as a mounted ftp server |
| 05:10.18 | jmarsden | You don't have shell access to the server? Then I think you need to reupload, but I'm not an expert. |
| 05:10.43 | Some_Person | I do have shell access, but I doubt the server has any sort of tools for repos |
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| 05:14.21 | Some_Person | Also, I have no root access |
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| 05:15.42 | jmarsden | Some_Person: Sounds like you are in for some interesting experiments... if you can compile and then run repo-specific tools on the server and use them, you might be OK, but if not... how could there possibly be "a command to regenerate /dists" on a machine that doesn't have "any sort of tools for repos" ? Those are incompatible things, aren't they? |
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| 05:16.00 | Some_Person | The server is dreamhost |
| 05:16.22 | Some_Person | Well, I have the server mounted on my system |
| 05:16.59 | Some_Person | If such a command wouldn't require moving or copying the files in /pool |
| 05:20.32 | jmarsden | Some_Person: I'm not expert enough to know for sure. Does the reprepro "retrack" command do something close to what you want?? |
| 05:21.44 | Some_Person | It seems to have done nothing |
| 05:22.17 | jmarsden | Some_Person: Other than reading man reprepro looking for other possible commands to try, I'm out of my depth at this point, sorry! |
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| 05:22.47 | reklipz | do files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ override files in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ with the same name? |
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| 05:25.06 | fenugreek | rektide: easy way to find out, no? |
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| 05:30.57 | rektide | grub-install isnt working; my laptop cant find any os on the drive |
| 05:31.51 | rektide | i've tried a) using the usb pen drive debian to grub-install onto /dev/sda, b) chrooting onto /dev/sda from the pen drive and grub-installing /dev/sda, c) using grub from the usb pen install to boot /dev/sda then grub-install'ing |
| 05:33.52 | rektide | i could really use a long list of Grub gotcha's and trouble shooting info |
| 05:34.18 | rektide | i havent even gotten stage 1 loaded though. assuming grub still has that stage1/stage2 split |
| 05:35.48 | fenugreek | you boot up and get no GRUB screen? |
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| 05:36.53 | rektide | yeah not a thing. if i got a grub error or a kernel error i'd be far enough along to fix the issue. |
| 05:37.47 | fenugreek | rektide: you only have the one hard disk? |
| 05:38.25 | rektide | i took out the other one while i was doing this |
| 05:38.47 | fenugreek | so this drive is using the #1 connector? |
| 05:38.47 | jmarsden | rektide: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html # is one source of info on GRUB... 17.1 says "Do not assume that your first hard drive (e.g. â/dev/sdaâ) is the one that your firmware will boot from." ... is that perhaps your issue? |
| 05:39.55 | rektide | this drive is using the #4 port, which is the first port with contents. |
| 05:40.00 | rektide | it lists as /dev/sda |
| 05:40.12 | rektide | fdisk makes that rather clear |
| 05:41.24 | fenugreek | rektide: might try the manual way: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=10#grub-install-manual |
| 05:41.51 | fenugreek | sometimes it works where grub-install fails |
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| 05:43.06 | fenugreek | rektide: keep in mind which version of grub (legacy or 2) you're using, the numbering will vary by one |
| 05:43.58 | rektide | those instructions are for one, i'm using two |
| 05:44.38 | fenugreek | rektide: two what? |
| 05:45.57 | fenugreek | rektide: it's not a trick question, the faster you respond, the faster we can move through this |
| 05:46.10 | rektide | grub2 |
| 05:46.29 | fenugreek | ah =) |
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| 05:47.04 | fenugreek | rektide: I think it's the same, only partitions start with 1 instead of 0 |
| 05:47.08 | rektide | i appear to have -coreboot and not the -pc variant of grub. :/ |
| 05:47.11 | fenugreek | (but devices still start with 0... do not ask) |
| 05:47.13 | rektide | that would explain much |
| 05:47.48 | rektide | how my boot stick works i have no idea. wonders never cease. must have a grub from some other time and place on it still. |
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| 05:49.05 | rektide | well |
| 05:49.07 | rektide | that was... |
| 05:49.08 | rektide | obvious |
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| 05:49.19 | rektide | after thinking to look |
| 05:49.30 | DanDare | Hello. In Debian i've created a new user 'joe'. Doing 'groups joe' it returns that user is assigned only to group 'joe'. With this user i can view all contents of /etc/ and another system folders. If I want to restrict joe only to his /home directory should i change permissions on all system folders/files ? |
| 05:49.32 | fenugreek | retrospect, mmm |
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| 05:49.37 | rektide | sepukos |
| 05:49.54 | fenugreek | heh |
| 05:50.59 | nsadmin | DanDare, if you do that, that pretty much breaks your whole system |
| 05:51.57 | DanDare | nsadmin, so its just admisible that users go around discovering system settings ? |
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| 05:52.46 | nsadmin | because programs they run need permission to read those |
| 05:53.00 | DanDare | ok got it |
| 05:53.18 | nsadmin | additionally, if joe can only read its own home dir, it can't read system executables |
| 05:53.20 | nsadmin | like cat |
| 05:53.30 | fenugreek | there are things you can do to obscure more from them |
| 05:53.43 | fenugreek | but it's more than you typically need to do |
| 05:53.52 | DanDare | Well... kinda relative question but default permissions when i create some user can be considered OK ? Should i care ? |
| 05:54.11 | DanDare | allright, thanks |
| 05:54.19 | fenugreek | no harm educating yourself, but you shouldn't be concerned about anything no |
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| 05:56.08 | nsadmin | one thing, do you have a particular need that's relative to a specific problem you're trying to solve? |
| 05:56.51 | DanDare | nsadmin, not yet.. just start thinking about sharing the new VPS i got |
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| 05:57.31 | DanDare | nsadmin, understand your question. My question was really in "general terms" |
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| 05:57.58 | nsadmin | ok, so you have a remote, and you're thinking about sharing it |
| 05:58.51 | DanDare | nsadmin, yes |
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| 06:00.21 | fenugreek | DanDare: are you more concerned about someone screwing with the system, or users having any kind of access to other users' personal data? |
| 06:01.05 | nsadmin | the typical thing is, some files in /etc/ may have passwords and such, like for pppd. since pppd needs higher perms to access /dev/ttyS3 or the eth to do pppoe over, the files can be protected from reading since they only need to be read by pppd |
| 06:01.19 | DanDare | fenugreek, the first in the practical sense. But also the second in a learning desire (that i was thinking about too) |
| 06:01.53 | DanDare | nsadmin, i see... it needs some study over and decision |
| 06:02.25 | fenugreek | DanDare: okay, well you don't really need to worry about the first unless you're planning on sharing with nefarious people =) |
| 06:02.42 | fenugreek | though obviously if you're going to have sshd running on a public network, there's no harm looking into security stuff |
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| 06:02.57 | nsadmin | and it's not just "every thing in /etc", but it's a decision/action per program that uses stuff in /etc |
| 06:03.02 | DanDare | fenugreek, allright :) |
| 06:03.11 | nsadmin | for example everyone needs to read /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 06:03.26 | DanDare | nsadmin, agree |
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| 06:05.18 | nsadmin | when you install postgres, the package install creates the container for the databases, and it protects them... pg has users too, and config files that need protecting |
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| 06:09.29 | kblessinggr | I remember there being some kind of method where you just install 2.6 and use python-select to change the default version |
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| 07:49.42 | prgrn | why is ifconfig and ip reporting a /0 for my global ipv6? i have "netmask ffff:ffff:ffff:ffff:0000:0000:0000:0000" should that be 128? |
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| 07:50.47 | Dewi | prgrn: what you just said was 64... |
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| 07:51.27 | Dewi | prgrn: (but I know nothing about ipv6 routing) |
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| 08:06.14 | bonjoyee | how to copy recursively without maintaining the folder tree? |
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| 08:06.54 | dondelelcaro | bonjoyee: what do you mean? |
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| 08:08.12 | bonjoyee | dondelelcaro: for eg copy all *.doc files from a folder and subfolders ..but not create the same folders on the destination |
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| 08:08.49 | bonjoyee | dondelelcaro: so the destination just has the *.doc files.. |
| 08:09.18 | dondelelcaro | bonjoyee: so find /path/to/files -type f -iname '*.doc' -print0|xargs -0 cp -t foo/other/path; |
| 08:09.25 | dondelelcaro | bonjoyee: man find, man xargs, and man cp |
| 08:09.59 | bonjoyee | dondelelcaro: thanks..will try that:) |
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| 08:15.26 | bonjoyee | dondelelcaro: thanks man..works like a charm!! |
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| 08:17.47 | mah454 | Hello ... |
| 08:18.09 | mah454 | I can not connect to Debian server with ssh |
| 08:18.28 | mah454 | receive this message " No route to host " |
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| 08:18.58 | mah454 | #ubuntu |
| 08:19.31 | sysdef | make sure ssh is installed on the server and you're using the correct server name |
| 08:20.15 | sysdef | try: nmap -p 22 servername |
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| 08:21.01 | mah454 | ssh installed ... |
| 08:21.02 | mah454 | PORT STATE SERVICE |
| 08:21.02 | mah454 | 22/tcp open ssh |
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| 08:24.30 | sysdef | that's strange indeed. and 'nmap -A -p 22 servername' tells you the server version? |
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| 08:25.27 | sysdef | because "No route to host" means server/post is unreachable |
| 08:26.28 | ham5 | i say boot him for pasting ;) |
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| 08:27.05 | mah454 | I use Debian Lenny with ssh V1:5.1p1-5 |
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| 08:27.18 | ham5 | your using ubuntu |
| 08:27.44 | streuner | judd, versions ssh |
| 08:27.45 | judd | Package ssh on i386 -- etch: 1:4.3p2-9etch3; etch-security: 1:4.3p2-9etch3; lenny: 1:5.1p1-5; sid: 1:5.5p1-6; squeeze: 1:5.5p1-6; experimental: 1:5.6p1-3; experimental: 1:5.7p1-2 |
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| 08:28.48 | Dewi | mah454: you can add -v to ssh and it will tell you more |
| 08:29.01 | mah454 | upgrade openssh-server ? |
| 08:29.08 | jelly-home | mah454: can you pastebin the complete output of ssh -vvv your-ssh-server |
| 08:29.44 | tdn | How do I make 'find' find files that mateches patternA or patternB? Right now I have something like: find / -name 'patA'; find / -name 'patB'. I have a few different patterns, so this quickly becomes inefficient. |
| 08:30.11 | Dewi | tdn: find '(' -name a -or -name b ')' |
| 08:30.13 | mah454 | Please wait ... |
| 08:30.27 | tdn | Dewi, thanks! |
| 08:31.00 | Dewi | tdn: note the escaping of the brackets, to stop bash thinking you're asking it to do stuff |
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| 08:31.22 | tdn | Dewi, ok. I use zsh. |
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| 08:31.29 | tdn | But I guess it is the same. |
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| 08:31.49 | Dewi | tdn: yeah might vary, but '' should keep you safe when in doubt |
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| 08:32.08 | _Techie_ | has anybody else come across an error causing a seg fault in dpkg when installing certain packages? |
| 08:32.20 | dondelelcaro | tdn: you'll probably also want to read the find info page. |
| 08:32.27 | dondelelcaro | _Techie_: if someone has, there will be a bug filed in the BTS |
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| 08:35.17 | mah454 | jelly-home this is My IP :85.185.193.59 , Please test ... |
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| 08:41.17 | jelly-home | mah454: same response. Your ISP might be blocking ssh connections from outside, or if that's your router, it might not be properly configured. |
| 08:42.04 | mah454 | SSH not bloked with my ISP ... |
| 08:42.58 | mah454 | excuse my for bad English ... ! |
| 08:43.05 | mah454 | excuse me for bad English ... ! |
| 08:43.26 | ham5 | boot |
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| 08:44.16 | mah454 | what most i do ? |
| 08:44.27 | ham5 | be an hero |
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| 08:48.00 | mah454 | not Idea ... ? |
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| 08:49.32 | ham5 | told you there is no route to host figure out your own network |
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| 08:49.47 | ham5 | we donno it |
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| 08:52.22 | Dewi | mah454: fix your firewall or network |
| 08:52.30 | Dewi | mah454: the problem has nothing to do with ssh |
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| 08:53.59 | Dewi | it's not a route problem though; the machine is returning pings |
| 08:54.03 | Dewi | so it would appear to be filtering |
| 08:54.16 | jelly-home | Iran might have some sort of country-level firewall policies |
| 08:54.50 | simonrvn | in fact they do |
| 08:54.51 | ThinkTank | I thought the USA wasen't exporting encryption technology to Iran |
| 08:54.54 | jelly-home | mah454: see if putting ssh on a nondefault port makes things better |
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| 08:55.22 | ham5 | goin to jail for helping |
| 08:55.32 | simonrvn | rolls eyes |
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| 08:55.54 | ThinkTank | I belive that the Iranian firewall is doing packen inspection and not checking th eport |
| 08:55.56 | ThinkTank | the port* |
| 08:56.01 | ham5 | his http works, it even says filtered on an nmap scan |
| 08:56.36 | ham5 | whys his xchat version say ubuntu? |
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| 08:57.09 | simonrvn | same for his port 22 |
| 08:57.22 | simonrvn | probably because he's using ubuntu... |
| 08:58.03 | ham5 | pretty sure he wouldent have a debian version of apache then |
| 08:58.29 | ethanol | maybe using multiple repos? |
| 08:59.03 | beardy | pretty sure he would, ine it took them years to even change the default page of it. |
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| 09:00.29 | jelly-home | ham5: there's nothing stopping a user from asking questions about _some other machine_ than the one running the IRC client |
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| 09:01.07 | jelly-home | Server: Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) PHP/5.2.6-1+lenny3 with Suhosin-Patch # <-- this http server looks pretty much as Debian as it can get |
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| 09:01.42 | ham5 | his host, and his host is the same for the irc client hes using... i was just curious |
| 09:01.51 | jelly-home | ham5: NAT. |
| 09:02.19 | ham5 | without ssh? |
| 09:02.28 | beardy | HEARD OF IT? |
| 09:02.36 | Dewi | ham5: NAT is the number one way to break ssh... |
| 09:02.38 | jelly-home | do you know what NAT is, ham5? |
| 09:02.52 | jelly-home | !tell ham5 about nat |
| 09:03.01 | ham5 | know what it stands for, have a pretty good idea |
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| 09:03.32 | jelly-home | it enables multiple machine to contact the internets FROM THE SAME IP |
| 09:03.37 | Dewi | also there are proxies, custom packages, VMs, and I think it's kind of creepy to scan somebody to assume what OS they are running |
| 09:03.40 | eth01 | does anybody know of a relatively decent free asset management script? |
| 09:04.01 | Dewi | eth01: context of asset? |
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| 09:04.17 | Jimmy89 | what is the best tool for cpu-temp monitoring? |
| 09:04.18 | eth01 | Dewi: computers |
| 09:04.19 | simonrvn | nm vpn and such... |
| 09:05.09 | Dewi | also, deliberate misrepresentation of user-agent string. I bet he's really running OpenBSD, the sly fox! |
| 09:06.45 | jelly-home | Dewi: I bet you're not running irssi v0.8.12 at all! |
| 09:07.31 | Dewi | jelly-home: I just do it to seem cool. :( I'm actually running mirc on windows 3.11 for workgroups |
| 09:07.44 | eth01 | Dewi, any ideas on that ? |
| 09:08.00 | ham5 | mirc is the best |
| 09:08.11 | Dewi | eth01: do you mean inventories of computer workstations, servers & equipment? |
| 09:08.27 | beardy | Someone kill the fucking troll. |
| 09:08.34 | eth01 | Dewi, yes preferably web based |
| 09:08.40 | simonrvn | best for what? getting cracked? |
| 09:09.40 | Dewi | eth01: I'd probably just do it low-tech with a wiki |
| 09:10.03 | Dewi | eth01: but there are probably people here managing large numbers of machines if you hang around long enough |
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| 09:10.24 | eth01 | Dewi, a wiki for a business isnt really suitable lol, cheers anyway |
| 09:10.40 | Jimmy89 | anyone know how to setup lm_sensors |
| 09:10.48 | Dewi | eth01: lots of businesses use wikis |
| 09:10.59 | Bushmills | i am sure that somebody does |
| 09:11.02 | beardy | Depends what kind of wiki, busieness, and mainatainers of them both |
| 09:11.08 | eth01 | Dewi, not for asset management they don't |
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| 09:11.32 | ham5 | lm_sensors has a setup for it |
| 09:11.45 | beardy | Define "management". |
| 09:11.45 | simonrvn | sensors-detect |
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| 09:11.53 | taleon | hi |
| 09:12.08 | Dewi | beardy: haha, I'm not convinced "asset" has a reasonable definition either |
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| 09:14.00 | simonrvn | asset can mean a lot of things... including a small *ss. |
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| 09:22.14 | jelly-home | "asset management" however, does NOT mean sexual harrasement |
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| 09:23.33 | Jimmy89 | what is a good cpu stress testing tool? I want to see my maximum temps under load |
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| 09:25.22 | Dewi | Jimmy89: cat /dev/urandom | bzip2 > /dev/null ? :P |
| 09:25.59 | Dewi | of course that only stresses one core... |
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| 09:26.50 | simonrvn | pbzip2 |
| 09:27.00 | Dewi | simonrvn: nice |
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| 09:29.15 | Bushmills | cpuburn - a collection of programs to put heavy load on CPU |
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| 09:43.40 | mr_sleepy | it is impossible to get sound to play on ltsp clients if they are running squeeze and the server lenny |
| 09:43.57 | mr_sleepy | is anyone having any suggestion on how to get the sound to work? |
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| 09:58.54 | Aldus | Hi. Suddenly I can't manage to write or delete any file. It says that the disk is read-only... how did this happen and how to fix it? |
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| 10:00.03 | polatov | hi guys |
| 10:00.38 | Dave158 | Aldus: ls -l and see if you can sudo chown it to your account. |
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| 10:01.07 | Aldus | Dave158, sorry I'm a bit a newbye. From where should I run the ls |
| 10:01.10 | Aldus | which folder |
| 10:01.18 | Bushmills | Aldus: look in your /etc/fstab, whether it is mounted remount ro on error |
| 10:01.23 | Dave158 | Aldus: The folder you're trying to manipulate. |
| 10:01.29 | Bushmills | if it is, that may be the reason why |
| 10:02.01 | Aldus | Dave158, the whole filesystem is read only |
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| 10:02.21 | Aldus | Dave158, no way to write anything anywhere, not even restart task who require to use the /tmp folder |
| 10:03.01 | Dewi | Aldus: it can do that when something is seriously wrong to prevent further damage |
| 10:03.10 | Dewi | Aldus: which is configured in /etc/fstab |
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| 10:03.30 | Aldus | Dewi, someone suggested me to reboot. I fear doing this and not being able to boot again |
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| 10:04.02 | Dewi | Aldus: yeah. Now is a good time to run backup |
| 10:04.11 | Aldus | Dewi, yes. Sigh |
| 10:04.13 | Dewi | Aldus: also review logs and see if there are any clues about the problem |
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| 10:05.23 | Dewi | Aldus: also fsck might be able to repair the problem, but that will depend on whether the hardware is failing, and can be risky |
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| 10:07.12 | nsadmin | recently installed squeeze, want to support this: "00:14.2 Audio device [0403]: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) [1002:4383]"; how? |
| 10:08.36 | Aldus | Dewi, thanks. Backupping everything |
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| 10:09.47 | Dewi | nsadmin: http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/SND_HDA_INTEL.html |
| 10:10.27 | Dewi | nsadmin: there are some modules names there, you probably want to lsmod to see if anything has picked it up |
| 10:10.52 | Dewi | nsadmin: if not you can try loading with modprobe (one-off) or modconf (permanent) |
| 10:11.34 | nsadmin | modconf is still around... |
| 10:11.44 | Dewi | hmm |
| 10:11.49 | Dewi | maybe don't take my word on that |
| 10:11.55 | nsadmin | how can I tell which "model" the hda is? |
| 10:12.00 | Dewi | I haven't used it for years |
| 10:12.05 | Dewi | !modconf |
| 10:12.05 | dpkg | modconf is a tool to configure/add/delete kernel modules, and at the same time it will update /etc/modules, or fix drivers/net no-view bug with http://bugs.debian.org/358855 (fixed since 0.3.2), or note: already loaded modules will not be automatically added to /etc/modules |
| 10:12.09 | nsadmin | same here, but it's reasonable |
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| 10:14.23 | Aldus | Dewi, I have no way to even mount an usb drive for backupping |
| 10:14.25 | CyberDomovoy | i'm getting a list of drives from /sys/block, i use only those that have a major version of '8', is there any way to differentiate those that are micro-SD from the others? |
| 10:14.36 | Aldus | Dewi, mount: warning: /etc/mtab is not writable (e.g. read-only filesystem). |
| 10:14.50 | nsadmin | why is the fs read only? |
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| 10:15.17 | Aldus | nsadmin, that was the original question |
| 10:15.31 | Dewi | Aldus: -n |
| 10:16.07 | Aldus | mount -n ? |
| 10:16.18 | Dewi | Aldus: yeah. this will leave /etc/mtab out of date, but /proc/mounts will be accurate |
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| 10:16.33 | nsadmin | looks like snd_hda_intel is already there |
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| 10:17.01 | Dewi | nsadmin: probably needs hooking up via your sound subsystem then |
| 10:17.16 | Dewi | nsadmin: like alsa or whatever the kids use these days |
| 10:17.23 | Aldus | Dewi, after running it I still can't find usb folders in the usual /media |
| 10:17.34 | Aldus | (doesn't surprise me being it unable to write anything including links) |
| 10:18.37 | Dewi | Aldus: hrm. I don't know what automount system you're using to support that |
| 10:19.07 | Dewi | Aldus: you might need to tell it specifically, like: mount -n /dev/sdj9 /media |
| 10:19.55 | Dewi | Aldus: dmesg should tell you what device node it was bound to |
| 10:20.24 | Aldus | Dewi, sdb and sdc |
| 10:20.53 | Dewi | Aldus: oh you also need a partition number, which you can list with fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 10:21.52 | Aldus | Dewi, /dev/sda1, /dev/sda2, /dev/sda5 are Linux, Extended, Swap partitions. Ids are 83, 5, 82 |
| 10:22.07 | nsadmin | is sda your main drive? |
| 10:22.15 | nsadmin | is it a real drive? |
| 10:22.22 | Aldus | y |
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| 10:22.33 | Dewi | Aldus: extended and swap aren't proper filesystems |
| 10:23.24 | Dewi | so the other ones are what you can mount |
| 10:23.24 | nsadmin | so /dev/sda1 is the only filesystem-containing partition on that drive |
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| 10:24.34 | nsadmin | if it got mounted ro, it got that way because your linux thinks it's damaged |
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| 10:26.00 | Aldus | Dewi, the first one is "Linux" |
| 10:26.04 | Aldus | /dev/sda1 |
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| 10:26.29 | Aldus | trying to sudo mount -n /dev/sdb /media/ it says that I have to specify the kind of filesystem |
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| 10:26.38 | Aldus | I have no idea how that usb drive was formatted |
| 10:26.48 | Dewi | Aldus: list fdisk on it |
| 10:26.59 | Dewi | you need a partition number |
| 10:27.06 | mr_sleepy | it looks like pulseaudio is dying on squeeze ltsp thinclients... |
| 10:29.08 | Dewi | Aldus: the remount-ro might not be the end of the world, either. dmesg probably has messages relating to that, I think? |
| 10:29.37 | Aldus | Dewi, how to do it |
| 10:29.53 | Aldus | in dmesg I have a lot of stuff |
| 10:30.07 | Dewi | Aldus: 'dmesg' is a command that outputs every message recently from your kernel |
| 10:30.28 | Dewi | you could pipe it to a pager such as 'less -i' |
| 10:30.36 | Dewi | er dmesg | less -i |
| 10:30.44 | Dewi | makes it a bit easier to look at / search |
| 10:31.51 | Aldus | http://nopaste.voric.com/paste.php?f=w4sb5s is paste of some of the output |
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| 10:32.56 | bolt | what can I use to make an image of a dvd from the command line? |
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| 10:34.39 | Dewi | Aldus: yeah that stuff starting at line 284 looks unencouraging. Repeated read failure from your disk with failed recovery and failed reallocate, then the filesystem journal aborts and your disk goes read-only |
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| 10:35.08 | Aldus | Dewi, yeah. Not good news |
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| 10:36.01 | Dewi | Aldus: I usually switch to the debian live cd for this kind of work, so you have a working system in RAM |
| 10:36.21 | Dewi | Aldus: package smartmontools can give you more info about a drive's self-analysis |
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| 10:36.45 | Aldus | Dewi, we are trying to reboot now. You think fsck could do something? |
| 10:37.07 | Dewi | Aldus: fsck can make things worse if the real problem is hardware |
| 10:37.25 | Dewi | (which this is, according to your logs) |
| 10:37.28 | Aldus | Dewi, what's most important now is to get back my mysql databases, since we could backup www through ftp |
| 10:38.02 | Dewi | Aldus: I have had great luck getting perfect or near-perfect filesystem images copied using gddrescue |
| 10:38.26 | Dewi | Aldus: ... which is a tool that copies the entire filesystem, skipping problem regions and coming back to hammer at them last |
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| 10:39.37 | Dewi | often I end up with an image with only 4-256kiB missing |
| 10:39.48 | Dewi | (after 2hrs to 2days) |
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| 10:40.53 | microtux | hi, i want to install debian lenny on a i386 64bit plateform, should i use the amd64 cd image ? thank you ? |
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| 10:48.10 | Aldus | Dewi, thank you. I'll try to use that tool you suggested |
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| 10:58.16 | nsadmin | the intel hda, isn't it configurable with its audio connections or something? does the module still have "model=something" parameter? |
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| 11:18.03 | nsadmin | how would I get the complete list of model names accepted by the intel hda module? |
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| 11:34.38 | ciss | hi, i have an issue with umlauts in folder names on debian lenny. i can't find a way to access a folder containing characters like "ö", "ä" or "ü". midnight commander can handle these folders but displays such characters in their ascii form (o, a, u) |
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| 11:35.44 | daemonkeeper | You may have an encoding problem, e.g. your file system uses an UTF encoding but not your shell or vice versa |
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| 11:41.33 | BlackFate | ciss, change your keyboard layout to the specified language or use gpm to copy it with your mouse |
| 11:45.32 | ciss | just ran dpkg-reconfigure locales, added de_DE.UTF-8 and set it as default. now it's working, thanks! |
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| 11:59.23 | HackeMate | hello |
| 11:59.32 | HackeMate | could wget save certains links from a website? |
| 11:59.35 | HackeMate | only the links, not its surce |
| 11:59.37 | HackeMate | source* |
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| 12:02.51 | Sm0ke0ut | Can anyone help me with a network problem? I'm currently at the datacenter and somehow my NIC is thinking that he only has 10Mb/s on half duplex available |
| 12:03.02 | babilen | HackeMate: #wget or "man wget" might know |
| 12:03.22 | HackeMate | yes i was reading the -r, but it ust download every href="" in |
| 12:03.26 | Sm0ke0ut | http://pastebin.com/wMtd5S3K |
| 12:03.30 | HackeMate | i thought there would exist a pattern or something like that |
| 12:03.33 | HackeMate | anyway i didnt find it |
| 12:03.40 | HackeMate | well, google are all |
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| 12:04.53 | babilen | Sm0ke0ut: You read minds :) |
| 12:04.55 | cpf_ | I'm about to install a new server with debian, is it already wise to chose squeeze since it's going to be stable soon anyway? |
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| 12:05.32 | Sm0ke0ut | =) |
| 12:05.48 | daemonkeeper | Should be safe to do so |
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| 12:06.06 | cpf_ | daemonkeeper, Ok, thanks |
| 12:06.13 | babilen | Sm0ke0ut: Can you set the speed manually with ethtool? |
| 12:06.19 | Sm0ke0ut | I can |
| 12:06.37 | Sm0ke0ut | though it's not the best option I guess |
| 12:06.43 | babilen | cpf_: Probably yes, but note that it has not yet been released and that security support is not 100% guaranteed |
| 12:07.03 | babilen | Sm0ke0ut: so the negotiation fails ... :-\ |
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| 12:07.28 | Sm0ke0ut | Is there anything I can do about it, or? |
| 12:07.29 | Pumba | cpf_: I'm running squeeze as a desktop/server mix since september 2010 and did not notice anything keeping it from being usable yet |
| 12:07.43 | Pumba | cpf_: just remember babilen's advice |
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| 12:07.53 | cpf_ | babilen, So when it gets released, I just need to update my sources.list to get the newest security fixes? |
| 12:08.19 | cpf_ | Pumba, I run squeeze on my laptop, and am very pleased with it of course, but I prefer stability a bit for servers... |
| 12:08.35 | qwd | cpf_: no need to update your sources.list, just make sure it says squeeze and not testing. |
| 12:08.51 | cpf_ | qwd, Oh, handy, thanks. |
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| 12:09.14 | cpf_ | Just general: When is the squeeze release planned exactly? I hear release parties are already being organized and such, so it should be close right? |
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| 12:09.25 | Pumba | cpf_: it's in the topic :) |
| 12:09.42 | cpf_ | Pumba, Hoh, should learn to read. |
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| 12:09.49 | cpf_ | It's being released during fosdem? :D |
| 12:10.13 | cpf_ | Anyhow, that's well within the deploy time for this server, so I can even test the "official" release before delivering, that's good. |
| 12:10.29 | babilen | cpf_: If you install squeeze now you don't have to change you sources.list at all. Well, you might want to adapt it a little for things like squeeze-updates (former volatile) if that hasn't been configured automagically and is wanted/needed by you. |
| 12:11.01 | daemonkeeper | Or to enable the security or is this already done in the RC installer? |
| 12:11.06 | cpf_ | babilen, Actually, I prefer not too much volatility :) |
| 12:11.44 | babilen | cpf_: You know what "volatile" and "squeeze-updates" is about? |
| 12:12.13 | cpf_ | babilen, Perhaps not, I assumed it would be fast updates, less tested? |
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| 12:12.48 | babilen | cpf_: No, it is meant for packages that need to be updated. Think "timezone data", "virus signatures", "geo-ip mappings" and the like ... |
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| 12:13.39 | cpf_ | babilen, Which confuses me: Isn't updates regulated by the regular repo's -> When an update is available for package x, it will update? |
| 12:13.53 | cpf_ | Regardless of "volatile" or "squeeze-updates" |
| 12:14.01 | babilen | !stable |
| 12:14.01 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Lenny (5.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 12:14.39 | babilen | cpf_: Stable basically means that no new versions will enter a stable release and that only security fixes are incorporated and distributed as updates. |
| 12:14.43 | cpf_ | Oh, so nothing actually ever changes in the normal repo's except when new releases happen? |
| 12:15.15 | babilen | cpf_: Stable does not change. That is a very important aspect of being stable. :) |
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| 12:15.44 | cpf_ | Most unfortunate misunderstanding from my part, I thought updates (security and critical) were distributed using the regular repo's... |
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| 12:15.48 | daemonkeeper | That is the reason for people choosing Debian. |
| 12:15.51 | cpf_ | Thus of course changing the packages. |
| 12:16.09 | Sm0ke0ut | good, fixed it with an init.d script. Thanks babilen |
| 12:16.22 | cpf_ | My reason of choosing debian is that I have most experience with it, but never really got into detail with the release schedules. |
| 12:16.24 | babilen | Sm0ke0ut: Still not a very elegant solution :-\ |
| 12:16.42 | Sm0ke0ut | Nope but I'm afraid there's not that much to do about it at this very moment |
| 12:16.43 | cpf_ | Until recently, since this is the first time in my linux-live I'll be living a new debian release :) |
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| 12:16.57 | cpf_ | linux-life * |
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| 12:17.26 | daemonkeeper | It's not too complicated. On a server system Debian Stable is the best you can do |
| 12:17.32 | babilen | cpf_: Hope you enjoy the ride then. It is a particularly bumpy one this time, because you have to reboot for the kernel/udev update (the horror!) |
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| 12:17.38 | ntz_ | hi there |
| 12:17.42 | ntz_ | i have little and annoying problem |
| 12:17.45 | ntz_ | when i run some glx fullscreen app it happens sometime that after quit i have just black screen (blank) with only visible cursor |
| 12:17.48 | ntz_ | nothing helps but restarting xorg |
| 12:18.16 | cpf_ | babilen, There, I never knew anything else for example. Kernel updates on-the-fly? Aren't kernel updates (security/critical) distributed, and don't they require kernel reloads? |
| 12:18.17 | babilen | has the impression that ntz_ asked that question somewhere else before :) |
| 12:18.31 | daemonkeeper | cpf_: They doo |
| 12:18.36 | babilen | cpf_: yes, they do. |
| 12:18.40 | ntz_ | bvs: yes, in xorg |
| 12:18.42 | babilen | doooo even |
| 12:18.45 | ntz_ | babilen: ^^ |
| 12:19.00 | cpf_ | Yes, and how will a kernel reload if not through reboot? |
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| 12:19.01 | daemonkeeper | heh |
| 12:19.35 | cpf_ | is interested. |
| 12:20.27 | BlackFate | cpf_, by loading the fixes as kernel module.. like ksplice does |
| 12:20.38 | babilen | cpf_: You could look into "kexec" (http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-kexec.html) -- but generally speaking: Yes, you have to reboot. |
| 12:20.46 | babilen | or ksplice |
| 12:21.09 | daemonkeeper | Although kexec is pretty much a reboot, at least as of operatin systems point of view |
| 12:21.19 | daemonkeeper | *operating |
| 12:21.19 | cpf_ | BlackFate, Ok, I heard about ksplice, but personally dislike the way it circumvents the package manager. Also, when I used it on my system, it caused problems when I actually decided to reboot. |
| 12:21.20 | babilen | daemonkeeper: absolutely |
| 12:21.49 | babilen | cpf_: Just reboot if you don't have good reasons not to. ;) |
| 12:21.57 | BlackFate | cpf_, there was no lenny support about 2-3 months ago. |
| 12:22.09 | babilen | I guess the situation would be quite different if the Kernel were written in Erlang :) |
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| 12:22.42 | daemonkeeper | I guess we would leave the building loudly screaming if the kernel would be written in Erlang |
| 12:23.05 | babilen | hehe |
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| 12:41.27 | m3lvin | Hello, trying to run 'sudo usermod -a -G fuse username' expecting to see fuse in the output of 'groups' but it's not appearing there, the usermod command doesn't give any error. I'm trying to mount using sshfs but /dev/fuse has bad permissions so adding myself to the fuse group should solve the problem. Can anyone help? |
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| 12:43.21 | abrotman | m3lvin: did you manually check /etc/groups ? |
| 12:43.47 | m3lvin | abrotman: not yet |
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| 12:46.32 | m3lvin | abrotman: yep, checked groups and I'm listed there... still giving me permissions errors though |
| 12:46.52 | cga | hi all, how do i check compile options for a debian package with apt or dpkg ? |
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| 12:57.10 | babilen | cga: Make sure you have "deb-src" lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list -- Download the source package with "apt-get source PKG" and read "$PKG-$VERSION/debian/rules" |
| 12:57.18 | babilen | !tell cga -about package recompile |
| 12:58.11 | cga | hi babilen, thanks. |
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| 12:59.58 | abrotman | m3lvin: did you logout/login ? |
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| 14:04.05 | anigma | is there a list of non-US sites I can put in my sources.list somewhere? |
| 14:04.59 | jujugre | hi, is someone know how to count per directory inode? |
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| 14:05.32 | ansgar | anigma: There hasn't been a non-US archive for quite some time... |
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| 14:06.46 | anigma | oh |
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| 14:09.53 | abrotman | anigma: non-us has been dead for like 8 years |
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| 14:10.11 | abrotman | ansgar: you mean the files in a directory? |
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| 14:40.35 | krsna | its read with the pager, which will default to less. but how is the formatter, be it groff or troff, called? |
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| 15:03.05 | fraff | hi all, I have build my own package with dependencies that are installed when I apt-get install it, all but not postfix: Depends: postfix but it is not going to be installed |
| 15:03.30 | fraff | any idea of what I should have in debian/control ? |
| 15:04.32 | themill | fraff: the entire output would be handy to see in a pastebin, but try aptitude instead of apt-get. |
| 15:05.47 | fraff | themill: I was hoping about a common mistake, pastebin is coming |
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| 15:06.25 | themill | fraff: my guess is that apt-get is refusing to automatically remove the existing mta. aptitude will probably do that for you. |
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| 15:08.49 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 15:09.39 | fraff | themill: this is my own package that I try to install in every xen VM that I create (with debootstrap), there is no mta I think |
| 15:09.43 | fraff | http://pastebin.com/cz5BC2vW |
| 15:10.29 | babilen | fraff: You most likely have exim4 installed on those machines. |
| 15:11.40 | babilen | ah, no ... |
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| 15:11.48 | themill | "aptitude search ~Pmail-transport-agent~i" will tell us |
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| 15:12.30 | fraff | nothing ... aptitude search ~Pmail-transport-agent~i returns the same a dpkg -l | grep exim ... nothing |
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| 15:15.52 | themill | mailx will try to bring in an m-t-a and then postfix vs exim needs to be figured out. That's all I can come up with. aptitude is coming up with the right solution in the end though. |
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| 15:17.52 | fraff | hum, I want to have postfix installed with my package, what I understant from aptitude output is that exim will be installed |
| 15:17.53 | armetiz | I there, I have a question about the "ulimit" function |
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| 15:18.24 | armetiz | I'm using Icecast2, but I have a problem when It have around 1024 listeners.. "Too many open files".. |
| 15:18.43 | themill | fraff: no, aptitude's solution is to give you postfix not exim in the end. |
| 15:18.50 | armetiz | So, I want to chaneg the default limitation fr the "icecast2" user |
| 15:19.31 | armetiz | But, I do'nt know how to do this.. because /etc/init.d/icecast use start-stop-daemon, and ulimit doesn't take a username to argument.. |
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| 15:20.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | armetiz, /etc/security/limits.conf |
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| 15:21.42 | armetiz | CutMeOwnThroat, I have look on limits.conf, but it doesn't work, and I d'ont know how to check the new value of open file for a specific user.. |
| 15:21.50 | armetiz | because icecast doesn't have acces to shell.. |
| 15:22.03 | NoOova | Hi all! i want install oracle java vm on dedicaded server, but it has allredy installed java-gcj 1042 /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj |
| 15:22.11 | NoOova | i am very scarry to do it |
| 15:22.16 | NoOova | it is safe? |
| 15:22.20 | NoOova | debian 5 |
| 15:22.41 | pipeline | NoOova: to completely 100% remove gcj and related items, apt-get --purge remove libgcj-common |
| 15:22.54 | NoOova | pipeline: this server has many sites |
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| 15:23.02 | NoOova | it will be vork? |
| 15:23.06 | fraff | themill: thank you, I'll try something else as every xen scripts use apt-get |
| 15:23.10 | NoOova | sites is not servlets |
| 15:23.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | armetiz, hm, dunno how you can check from a different user, but you can temporarily give the user a shell and then "su user" andcheck with "ulimit -a" |
| 15:23.34 | pipeline | NoOova: ...I've never heard of running any kind of web site with a gcj backend |
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| 15:24.13 | NoOova | maybe it need for mysql database? |
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| 15:24.37 | NoOova | for apache2 and nginx as i know it is not needed |
| 15:25.09 | themill | fraff: if you put a Conflicts against the appropriate exim package then that might help you convince apt-get to do it in one step. you can also use "aptitude --schedule-only install ~nexim4_ spu-utils" to tell it to try to get rid of exim packages and install things in one step. |
| 15:26.17 | pipeline | NoOova: at any rate, to install the Sun/Oracle jvm, install the sun-java6-* |
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| 15:27.43 | NoOova | pipeline: it i know, thx... and i cant do backup because system has only one partition |
| 15:27.58 | pipeline | NoOova: install sun-java6-bin FIRST, then, and only then, uninstall libgcj-common |
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| 15:28.08 | fraff | themill: I got it, I specified "mailx" in dependencies, one of mailx's depends is .. exim4 ... removing mailx from depends works fine |
| 15:28.11 | fraff | thank you all |
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| 15:28.59 | themill | fraff: no worries. btw mailx in squeeze is a number of different packages so you might need to adapt what you are doing there |
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| 15:29.03 | NoOova | pipeline: i dont want purge libgcj |
| 15:29.08 | themill | ,rprovides mailx --release squeeze |
| 15:29.10 | judd | Package mailx in squeeze/i386 is provided by: bsd-mailx, heirloom-mailx, mailutils. |
| 15:29.13 | NoOova | i select new wm with update-java-alternatives |
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| 15:33.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | NoOova, what scares you |
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| 15:33.53 | pipeline | NoOova: yeah you do. |
| 15:34.02 | NoOova | CutMeOwnThroat: that i broke big server |
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| 15:34.24 | NoOova | reinstall java is big manipulation |
| 15:34.53 | pipeline | NoOova: well, after installing sun-java6-bin, you can go around and set JAVA_HOME for each application individually.. that's obviously a lower impact change |
| 15:35.19 | armetiz | hum... /etc/security/limits.conf isn't use when using ulimit -n.. |
| 15:35.24 | pipeline | NoOova: but you shouldn't have been relying on gcj in the first place... in fact I'd say it's very unlikely that you ever were. If you have any java applications set up, they're probably using a JVM not managed by the package system, with JAVA_HOME explicitly set |
| 15:35.25 | armetiz | do you have a clue ? |
| 15:35.30 | NoOova | pipeline: i can but it is no my server =) i dont complete know what is running on it |
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| 15:35.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | I didn't yet see stuff that ran with gcj, but not with suns java, though |
| 15:35.59 | pipeline | NoOova: common places to install a java tarball: anywhere in /home, /opt, /usr/local, etc |
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| 15:36.27 | NoOova | pipeline: backup /home/ /opt/ /usr/ /etc/ ? |
| 15:36.43 | pipeline | NoOova: lots and lots of places to try... you might just want to 'find / -name java -type f' or 'find / -ipath "bin/java" -type f' |
| 15:36.50 | NoOova | i think recover from not disk image is bad idea |
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| 15:36.58 | pipeline | NoOova: what ? |
| 15:37.03 | pipeline | NoOova: obviously I am missing a LOT of context here |
| 15:37.07 | themill | Why would you install from the sun java tarball rather than using the debian packages? |
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| 15:37.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, fun? |
| 15:37.29 | NoOova | ok... i think that u mean save this locations |
| 15:37.32 | pipeline | themill: because it's normal in the java world to measure everything by hand |
| 15:37.46 | pipeline | NoOova: no, I'm saying, here are some places to look for a JAVA_HOME |
| 15:37.54 | pipeline | themill: err not measure, mnage. |
| 15:38.19 | pipeline | themill: I've had java application servers with tens of gigabytes of crap stuffed into vendor directories in /opt, and startup scripts with dozens of FOO_HOME variables :\ |
| 15:38.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think there's a bit of a language barrier here... |
| 15:38.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | see, as I said: fun |
| 15:38.54 | themill | pipeline: *sob* |
| 15:39.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | because that just sounds like a LOT of fun :-P |
| 15:40.43 | babilen | NoOova: In case you are confused now: #d encourages you to "aptitude install sun-java6-jdk" or "aptitude install openjdk-6-jdk" (for openjdk *new* *shiny* *open-sourced* *original* *Sun's* *finest*) |
| 15:40.50 | pipeline | themill: oh, man, it gets so much worse |
| 15:41.10 | pipeline | themill: there are java-world tools that handle the automatic resolution and retrieval of dependencies... from internal and third party repositories with no clean/simple way of specifying what comes from where |
| 15:41.25 | pipeline | themill: staggeringly overcomplicated re-inventions of the wheel |
| 15:41.27 | NoOova | babilen: yes... and what to do if i broke bg server without backup |
| 15:41.50 | pipeline | themill: apache maven is hugely popular, and then apache ivy solves the same problems over again, but in more complicated ways, and can interoperate with maven ;_; |
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| 15:42.23 | babilen | NoOova: Create backups? Test in a cloned machine? Run around crying eating massive amounts of icecream? |
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| 15:42.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmh, can I have some eye scream, too? |
| 15:42.56 | NoOova | babilen: 500gb hd =) 1 partition |
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| 15:43.02 | NoOova | Icecream is good idea |
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| 15:43.55 | wrksx | hey how to chmod recursivly and only on directories (not files) ? |
| 15:43.58 | babilen | NoOova: Just buy a new drive. A 1TB one shouldn't be that expensive. But I don't quite see how the installation of, for example, openjdk-6-jdk could break your system. |
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| 15:45.31 | armetiz | Please, can someone help me about ulimit utilisation ? |
| 15:45.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | err, I told you? |
| 15:45.44 | armetiz | I have to change the max open files for a specific user.. |
| 15:45.47 | NoOova | babilen: pipeline i find a idea! |
| 15:45.59 | NoOova | ssh! second server with 1gb hdd and DD |
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| 15:46.04 | NoOova | :-D |
| 15:46.06 | armetiz | CutMeOwnThroat, I have look to /etc/security/limits.conf.. But, it doesn't work as I want.. |
| 15:46.31 | babilen | wrksx: What are you trying to do? You might want to use find with exec and "+" -- http://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind#Actions_in_bulk:_xargs.2C_-print0_and_-exec_.2B- |
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| 15:48.21 | armetiz | hum, CutMeOwnThroat, It seem do be work, just have to add pam required pam_limits.so.. |
| 15:48.23 | wrksx | babilen, trying tu recursivly 'setgid' a directory tree that already contains files |
| 15:48.28 | wrksx | tu / tto |
| 15:48.30 | wrksx | to |
| 15:49.05 | babilen | find -type d -exec whatev |
| 15:49.15 | wrksx | k thx you |
| 15:49.34 | babilen | wrksx: That is *not* a working example! Check the link I mentioned earlier ;) |
| 15:49.44 | wrksx | babilen, yeah be sure i got it |
| 15:49.55 | wrksx | thx indeed |
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| 15:50.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps you say what exactly you wrote in limits.conf, and what you did afterwards to test it.... hm, I wonder when limits.conf actually takes effect |
| 15:51.19 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: pam does it at login time |
| 15:51.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's pam, so I would say it's normally becoming effective on login. |
| 15:51.26 | stew | "session required pam_limits.so" |
| 15:51.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, but that's a daemon, so it's not logging in... |
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| 15:53.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | armetiz, hm, right - in that case I think the limit is already inherited from root ... but you can change it in the start-script at the point where it still runs as root |
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| 15:58.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | armetiz, oh... so where do you change something so that pam gets involved? |
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| 16:03.29 | wrksx | how could I have the permission rw set on a file creation under a directory |
| 16:03.30 | wrksx | ? |
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| 16:03.50 | wrksx | I mean is it possible automatically |
| 16:04.38 | ansgar | wrksx: Files have the rw permission by default. For the owner at least. |
| 16:04.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | not for files of all users in just one directory... except if you mount a fat filesystem in that directory |
| 16:04.48 | ansgar | wrksx: So I guess you mean something else. |
| 16:04.48 | wrksx | ansgar, right |
| 16:04.56 | wrksx | ansgar, right right right |
| 16:04.57 | wrksx | =) |
| 16:05.08 | wrksx | i mean group write |
| 16:05.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought he meant for everyone |
| 16:05.35 | ansgar | wrksx: Then umask or ACLs. |
| 16:05.40 | wrksx | shit |
| 16:05.45 | wrksx | no other way ? |
| 16:05.52 | wrksx | no permission inheritance ? |
| 16:05.56 | wrksx | or sthing ? |
| 16:07.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | that would ba ACLs |
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| 16:07.38 | wrksx | ok then |
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| 16:07.45 | wrksx | thaks for the help |
| 16:08.11 | babilen | wrksx: as ansgar said: A suitable umask or ACLs (not sure if you got that) |
| 16:08.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | usually without all that, people just run a periodic chown/chmod over the files via cron |
| 16:08.27 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: ugh |
| 16:08.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | I SEED that |
| 16:08.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | SEED it with my own eyes |
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| 16:09.20 | wrksx | run a periodic chown/chmod over the files via cron ? |
| 16:09.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | and really, with the normal unix file permissions, I don't see any better way with lots of different users |
| 16:09.46 | stew | wrksx: you want to use extended acls |
| 16:10.02 | wrksx | stew, is that hard ? |
| 16:10.06 | stew | no |
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| 16:10.11 | wrksx | it seems more than 5 min long |
| 16:10.21 | wrksx | i only got 5 minutes left |
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| 16:10.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... like daily resetting ownership and permissions ... that was on a system with www storage... and every content of each directory was only supposed to have one owner/group anyway... and yes... it's a bit "ugh" |
| 16:11.20 | wrksx | CutMeOwnThroat, ok i'll live with it. Thanks a lot |
| 16:11.23 | wrksx | exit |
| 16:11.26 | wrksx | exitexit |
| 16:11.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | armetiz, ah, like http://www.xenoclast.org/doc/benchmark/HTTP-benchmarking-HOWTO/node7.html - does that work with the daemon? |
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| 16:12.46 | abrotman | themill: what happened with that guy last night with the PHP bug ? |
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| 16:14.35 | themill | abrotman: AZora? nfc -- nothing in the logs. |
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| 16:14.54 | abrotman | themill: well, AZora is still here .. maybe s/he could answer :) |
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| 16:16.19 | AlexC_ | g'morning |
| 16:16.29 | themill | abrotman: nothing in the bts |
| 16:16.44 | abrotman | perhaps he emailed the php pkging team |
| 16:16.49 | AlexC_ | I'm connected to a remote Squeeze install over SSH; if I want to use KVM is there a way to connect to the guests within this SSH session? |
| 16:18.05 | stew | AlexC_: virsh console domain |
| 16:18.16 | themill | abrotman: not to the mailing list... |
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| 16:18.28 | stew | AlexC_: substitude the name of the actual domain you want to connect to |
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| 16:20.08 | AlexC_ | stew: most excellent, thank you :) |
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| 16:21.00 | NoOova | hmmm |
| 16:21.31 | NoOova | if hdd is 250g but it saved only 70gb. how much will be image of it? |
| 16:21.57 | NoOova | if i backup /dev/sda |
| 16:22.02 | NoOova | not /dev/sda1 |
| 16:22.04 | RichiH | 250 GB |
| 16:22.13 | NoOova | but if sda1? |
| 16:22.26 | RichiH | also 250 GB, assuming that partition is 250 GB in sizer |
| 16:22.38 | RichiH | you can look at xfsdump, ntfsdump, etc |
| 16:22.47 | RichiH | those would save 70 GB |
| 16:22.54 | NoOova | hmmmmm |
| 16:23.01 | RichiH | you need to find out what file system you are using, though |
| 16:23.09 | NoOova | ext3 |
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| 16:23.35 | RichiH | there's a sumper for that, but i forgot the name |
| 16:23.48 | RichiH | e2fsdump or similar would be my guess |
| 16:24.00 | NoOova | how gzip it on-fly? |
| 16:24.07 | NoOova | if i dimp like this |
| 16:24.19 | NoOova | dd if=/dev/mirror/gm0 | ssh hilik@hilik.org.ua 'dd of=router.iso' |
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| 16:25.02 | RichiH | dd | tar | ssh "untar | dd" |
| 16:25.16 | NoOova | no) |
| 16:25.23 | NoOova | havnt soace on second machine |
| 16:25.27 | NoOova | space |
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| 16:26.02 | karlpinc | RichiH: Why tar? You can gzip -c to compress. |
| 16:26.25 | NoOova | dd if=/dev/mirror/gm0 |gip -c | ssh hilik@hilik.org.ua 'dd of=router.iso' |
| 16:26.27 | NoOova | ? |
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| 16:26.40 | NoOova | gzip |
| 16:26.50 | RichiH | karlpinc: erm, yes |
| 16:26.53 | RichiH | brain fart |
| 16:26.58 | RichiH | simple as that |
| 16:27.06 | NoOova | how |
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| 16:28.50 | RichiH | if you need to conserve space, consider using xz instead of gzip -- it's compression is better for many (most?) use cases |
| 16:29.24 | NoOova | i need save 270gb hdd to a 260gb hdd |
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| 16:40.12 | jesselang|laptop | Is there any documentation how to set up software RAID in LVM in Lenny during install? |
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| 16:47.08 | babilen | jesselang|laptop: IIRC it is explained in the installation guide, is it not? |
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| 16:49.02 | jesselang|laptop | babilen, I see something about preseeding, but that's not what I'm looking for. |
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| 16:49.22 | babilen | jesselang|laptop: Let me have a look ... One second please |
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| 16:49.59 | AlexC_ | when trying to setup a bridge interface, I get the following upon startup: "SIOCADDRT: No such process\nFailed to bring up br0" - what could be causing it? |
| 16:50.10 | babilen | jesselang|laptop: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition |
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| 16:50.29 | jhutchins_lt | NoOova That's not gonna work. |
| 16:50.30 | jesselang|laptop | babilen, does that apply to lenny as well? |
| 16:50.43 | babilen | jesselang|laptop: That is for Squeeze though -- I have just seen that you asked about lenny, that section should be in the lenny ig too |
| 16:50.44 | jhutchins_lt | You'd need ~270G of free space to do the compression. |
| 16:50.46 | Jarvis | AlexC_: pastebin your configuration and the commands you used. |
| 16:50.57 | jesselang|laptop | babilen, OK, I'll look. |
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| 16:51.23 | babilen | jesselang|laptop: BTW, you are aware that Squeeze will be released next weekend and that it might actually make sense to install Squeeze instead of Lenny, aren't you? |
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| 16:52.03 | jesselang|laptop | babilen, I've had problems with the netboot discs for squeeze. |
| 16:52.21 | babilen | Have you reported them and what kind of problems were that? |
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| 16:52.50 | stew | netboot discs? |
| 16:53.04 | AlexC_ | Jarvis: http://paste2.org/p/1220995 |
| 16:53.38 | babilen | stew: pxe probably .. |
| 16:53.47 | stew | AlexC_: your gateway is not on your subnet |
| 16:53.55 | jesselang|laptop | babilen, no, the small CDs for network install. Sorry. :) |
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| 16:54.21 | babilen | jesselang|laptop: ah, ok. That was the other option. what kind of problems did you run into? |
| 16:54.36 | AlexC_ | stew: hum, I'm a little confused what it should be then : |
| 16:54.42 | Jarvis | yes AlexC_ if this interface is the gateway for the local lan, dont specify a gateway... line |
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| 16:55.18 | stew | AlexC_: you'd expect the gateway to be on the 192.168.0.0/24 network. if it is not, you'd have to add a host route to that address first |
| 16:55.23 | jesselang|laptop | babilen, I don't recall now, sadly. My co-worker is the one doing the current installing. |
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| 16:55.39 | stew | AlexC_: see if you can bring it up without the gateway line |
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| 16:56.08 | jesselang|laptop | I recall it was squeeze 32-bit. |
| 16:56.10 | AlexC_ | Jarvis: stew, ok - I see, thank you. And just a quick question, the IP address I specify here for the gateway, is the IP address that the guest OS that will use this bridge will have? |
| 16:56.43 | AlexC_ | sorry, for the bridge I mean |
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| 16:57.20 | Jarvis | if the guests are going on the 192.168.0.0/24 subnet then yes |
| 16:57.31 | stew | AlexC_: i don't think you want a gateway address there at all |
| 16:57.32 | AlexC_ | yes it will be |
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| 16:57.41 | AlexC_ | stew: indeed, it was a typo in what I just wrote then |
| 16:57.45 | stew | Jarvis: what? |
| 16:58.21 | Jarvis | stew: i think he's doing virtual machine configuration next in which case if the VM's are going on that subnet then br0 is going to be the gateway |
| 16:58.30 | Jarvis | for the guests that is |
| 16:58.36 | AlexC_ | yeah |
| 16:58.40 | AlexC_ | thanks, I have to go for now though. Thanks :) |
| 16:58.55 | stew | Jarvis: the address of br0, not the gateway address that he is (erroneously) putting in there |
| 16:59.03 | Jarvis | aye |
| 16:59.35 | Jarvis | i read it as the ip of br0 is the gateway :) |
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| 17:05.16 | format_c | What are the debian hostnames for IPv6 capabale mirrors? |
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| 17:06.53 | Jarvis | format_c: not sure if theres a list, but just checking some of the primaries shows most of them have ipv6 addresses. |
| 17:07.08 | format_c | ah thx |
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| 17:15.01 | rgr_ | what are my options for encrypting an already installed dbian squeeze ext4 fs? This is on a netbook and I dont currently have hom on a seperate partition. I could move it of course. But can the fs encrypt subdirs and is it recommended? |
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| 17:16.50 | babilen | !encfs |
| 17:16.50 | dpkg | i guess encfs is a package for an encrypted virtual filesystem. See http://packages.debian.org/encfs and https://we.riseup.net/debian/encrypted-folder-using-encfs |
| 17:17.21 | babilen | rgr_: Something like that ^^^ ? Otherwise: Move your data somewhere else and fire up luksCrypt |
| 17:17.41 | rgr_ | any personal experience/recommendation? |
| 17:18.08 | rgr_ | thanks for the encfs link. |
| 17:18.09 | babilen | rgr_: I happily use dm-crypt |
| 17:18.29 | babilen | !dm-crypt |
| 17:18.29 | dpkg | dm-crypt is a Linux kernel subsystem providing a cryptographic device-mapper target, which enables filesystem encryption in files, partitions, whole disks, logical and software RAID volumes. dm-crypt is the successor of <cryptoloop> and uses the Crypto API cryptography framework. The cryptsetup and cryptmount utilites are in the cryptsetup package. http://www.saout.de/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php http://www.saout.de/misc/dm-crypt/ |
| 17:18.32 | rgr_ | that needs seperate partition? |
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| 17:26.01 | dserban | would you tell me what the "accepted" or "natural" way of compiling a debian kernel is now? make-kpkg or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelCustomCompilation .. ? I need to try applying a fixed acpi dsdt table. |
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| 17:28.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | I avoid having to compile a kernel like the plague |
| 17:28.16 | tdn | How do I make a cron-job that runs every 20 minutes, but only between 10 am and 23 pm? |
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| 17:31.01 | Sushiyant | howto install KDE 4.6 in debian |
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| 17:31.27 | dserban | CutMeOwnThroat, heh, well I have no choice if I want a clean DSDT table. the patch to add it to initramfs was removed |
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| 17:33.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | the wiki thing says "etch"... so thats a tiny bit old |
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| 17:35.42 | babilen | Sushiyant: Check http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ (4.6 is not available yet AFAIK -- and will not be before the release.) |
| 17:36.11 | Sushiyant | babilen: tnx |
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| 17:57.08 | Sashi | how can i limit how many files one IP can transfer via pure-ftpd? (download) |
| 17:57.38 | wildc4rd | evenin' |
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| 18:00.06 | rgr_ | dserban: you would think at this stage there was one way that worked and everyone uses. uh uh. Google hell. |
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| 18:01.13 | dserban | used to use make-kpkg all the time, until the patch I had to use was mainstream, haven't compiled my own in ages now, and this make-kpkg thing feels a little deprecated |
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| 18:01.21 | dserban | but no one's said that :P |
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| 18:02.07 | stew | dserban: the kernel team says that |
| 18:02.27 | stew | dserban: and they provide their own method. then conversely the make-kpkg author deprecates using their methods |
| 18:03.00 | _kito_ | hey, i'm having some problems with libcurl cause i need a newer version (it's 7.18 and i need 7.19 or higher), how's the cleanest way to upgrade? |
| 18:03.31 | dserban | stew, oh I haven't run into that yet. oh, uhh wow... sounds like a fight. alright, well that still leaves me nowhere. |
| 18:04.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libcurl |
| 18:04.02 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libcurl' was found in i386. |
| 18:04.40 | _kito_ | i mean, libcurl-dev |
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| 18:05.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | teres's libcurl3 libcurl4, ... |
| 18:05.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libcurl3 |
| 18:05.35 | judd | Package libcurl3 on i386 -- etch: 7.15.5-1etch3; etch-security: 7.15.5-1etch3; lenny: 7.18.2-8lenny4; lenny-security: 7.18.2-8lenny4; squeeze: 7.21.0-1; sid: 7.21.3-1 |
| 18:06.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | nothing in backports |
| 18:07.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell _kito_ about ssb |
| 18:07.36 | _kito_ | CutMeOwnThroat: so, what are my options? i would like to have the squeeze version, but i'm on debian lenny |
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| 18:08.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | either backport it yourself... or consider upgrading to squeeze it's proposed to become the next stable within a week now |
| 18:08.36 | _kito_ | great, i'll check. thanks |
| 18:08.37 | _kito_ | ! |
| 18:08.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | so depending on how soon after you think you'll upgrade anyway... |
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| 18:41.20 | Phantom_Hoover | I know this isn't a Debian problem, but I'm trying to get Dwarf Fortress working and the idiot who released the Linux version made it a 32-bit, dynamically linked binary. |
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| 18:41.54 | Phantom_Hoover | So now it throws a tantrum because I don't have 32-bit SDL, which I cannot seem to rectify with brute apt. |
| 18:42.34 | Phantom_Hoover | Suggestions? |
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| 18:44.27 | abrotman | use a 32bit OS, or get a chroot, or use the ia32-libs stuff |
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| 18:46.38 | Phantom_Hoover | abrotman, ia32-libs doesn't include SDL. |
| 18:46.47 | abrotman | chroot it is! |
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| 18:46.59 | Phantom_Hoover | abrotman, any pointers for that? |
| 18:47.24 | abrotman | the debian amd64 howto talks about chroots |
| 18:48.33 | Phantom_Hoover | abrotman, thanks. |
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| 18:57.57 | laurus | Can anyone recommend a brand of USB flash drive that is good for Debian? |
| 18:58.44 | catsup | no brand of flash drive is particularly suited to debian vs. any other distribution |
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| 18:59.01 | esing | hiho :D |
| 18:59.11 | esing | Which desktop environment would you recommend for debian lenny? :) |
| 18:59.24 | karlpinc | laurus: Anything for most purposes. If you want to boot off the device then (at least with compact flash cards) I find that sandisk actually adhears to standards. Who knows with usb sticks. |
| 18:59.34 | laurus | karlpinc, ah, I don't need to boot, just store things. |
| 18:59.52 | laurus | karlpinc, actually I heard some people had problems with Sandisk 16GB drives |
| 18:59.55 | esing | I use LXDE on my first partition and I like it very much but I dont know how stable it is with Debian or does the dekstop environment is stable by any means? |
| 19:00.10 | laurus | esing, why are you installing Debian Lenny right now? |
| 19:00.19 | karlpinc | esing: Everybody has their own preferences. |
| 19:00.41 | esing | karlpinc i see ^^ i like empty desktops ^^ |
| 19:00.51 | esing | laurus because i use a driver which works fine with lenny |
| 19:01.01 | karlpinc | esing: xwinman.org |
| 19:01.04 | laurus | esing, it doesn't work on Squeeze? |
| 19:01.09 | esing | laurus the driver doesnt work with 32 er kernel (squeeze) |
| 19:01.21 | laurus | Eek, okay |
| 19:01.26 | laurus | Is it a free driver? |
| 19:01.30 | karlpinc | esing: Maybe there's one in squeeze that does work. |
| 19:01.41 | karlpinc | laurus: Obviously not, or it should work. |
| 19:01.47 | laurus | karlpinc, right |
| 19:01.48 | laurus | :P |
| 19:02.05 | laurus | esing, I would definitely recommend using Squeeze if possible... |
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| 19:03.35 | laurus | esing, and I believe LXDE works fine on Squeeze, though I don't know about Lenny |
| 19:03.39 | esing | nice link karlpinc, i will take a look at the screenshots, but lxde isnt listed tho |
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| 19:04.05 | esing | laurus squeeze why would you recommend using squeez? |
| 19:04.16 | karlpinc | esing: I'm not sure how up-to-date it is. lxde has worked fine for me on lenny, although not everything seems to show up in the menu. |
| 19:04.21 | laurus | esing, because it's much more up to date, and works well |
| 19:04.33 | karlpinc | esing: Squeeze is scheduled to become stable this weekend. |
| 19:04.35 | laurus | LXDE in Squeeze is much newer and better |
| 19:04.46 | dvs | esing: and it should be released next weekend |
| 19:04.57 | dvs | karlpinc: :-> |
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| 19:05.12 | esing | karlpinc did you use lxde the most of your time in lenny or did you just tested it once? |
| 19:05.30 | laurus | esing, take a look at http://dasublogbyprashanth.blogspot.com/2010/10/preview-debian-6-squeeze-part-3-lxde.html to see what it will be like if you install Squeeze. |
| 19:05.38 | karlpinc | esing: I set it up to run kid's programs on a box with 48M of ram, and then forgot about it. |
| 19:05.39 | esing | i know i heard of the stable release of squeez :) maybe I install squeez as a 3rd distu |
| 19:05.49 | esing | hehe |
| 19:05.53 | laurus | Although that is several months out of date |
| 19:06.01 | karlpinc | esing: You could just follow the release notes and upgrade. |
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| 19:06.08 | dvs | esing: squeeze and lenny in parallel? |
| 19:06.33 | esing | dvs maybe , one for the driver the other for internet |
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| 19:07.02 | esing | right now i use lubuntu with lxde and lenny |
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| 19:07.32 | karlpinc | esing: See also http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware for options regarding newer software for Debian stable. |
| 19:07.35 | esing | karlpinc I see , so you cant really judge if lxde is running 100% on lenny ^^ |
| 19:08.34 | laurus | esing, you could try a LiveCD of Squeeze if you want to preview it |
| 19:08.41 | karlpinc | esing: It worked just fine for my purposes and I've hear of other's using it. |
| 19:08.59 | laurus | esing: http://live.debian.net/ |
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| 19:09.07 | karlpinc | esing: I suppose debian-live would be a way to test, although you may as well install. |
| 19:09.09 | esing | karlpinc okay iam going to check those screenshots now and decide which i take. thnx! :) |
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| 19:25.30 | Makuew | What does -nan% mean on htop ? |
| 19:25.33 | Makuew | it shows on some cores |
| 19:25.41 | Makuew | Means its totally inactive or? |
| 19:26.10 | dvs | Makuew: it means there's a bug in the program. |
| 19:26.23 | Makuew | Ok |
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| 19:42.43 | paul424 | uhh when debian 6.0 ... on the main site it says dev team is going for another conferences >_> |
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| 19:44.13 | karlpinc | paul424: They work better when drinking. |
| 19:44.36 | dvs | heh |
| 19:44.41 | paul424 | >_> any way ... |
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| 19:44.59 | macrobat_ | why shouldn't there be a booth at FOSDEM? :D |
| 19:45.17 | paul424 | it seems that top hot distros are those which have support from commercial companies like openSuse ... |
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| 19:45.33 | paul424 | what's booth ? |
| 19:45.39 | paul424 | what's FOSDEM ? |
| 19:46.38 | valdyn | !google |
| 19:46.38 | dpkg | Google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. http://www.google.com/ See also <chromium>, <gmail>, <googledns>, <googleearth>, <gtalk>. |
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| 19:48.42 | paul424 | !gargole |
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| 19:51.14 | HackeMate | hello |
| 19:51.39 | HackeMate | i installed v4l-dvb drivers in order to use WinTV-HVR900, dmesg says this http://pastebin.com/wY7X1yBv |
| 19:51.49 | HackeMate | warning about the experimental driver backported |
| 19:51.58 | HackeMate | but there is no /dev/video or /dev/dvb device |
| 19:52.05 | HackeMate | what i did wrong? |
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| 19:52.19 | HackeMate | modprobe says no error too |
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| 19:52.43 | valdyn | HackeMate: lscpi -k is showing the device with the driver? |
| 19:53.10 | valdyn | HackeMate: oops, usb |
| 19:53.40 | mekos | hi all: I get error message when logging on: error probing smb1. Is this a problem I can fix somehow? thanks |
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| 19:54.14 | HackeMate | valdyn: lsusb has no -k parameter |
| 19:54.22 | valdyn | HackeMate: you should not load the modules manually |
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| 19:54.32 | mariok | Hello |
| 19:54.44 | valdyn | HackeMate: obviously you have no driver for that device |
| 19:55.06 | valdyn | HackeMate: seeing that theres no output below the plain usb stuff |
| 19:55.08 | saivert | hey I heard Debian was cool stuff |
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| 19:55.21 | saivert | it was one of the oldest distros in use today |
| 19:55.22 | mariok | Can some one please tell me how to properly deploy a self created SSL Root CA so that all applications know about that certificate? |
| 19:55.31 | HackeMate | so damn, i saw in website em288xx driver was the correct for this |
| 19:55.37 | saivert | /etc/ssl time? |
| 19:55.54 | saivert | /etc/ssl/certs |
| 19:56.06 | saivert | place your pem there or symlink to it if you keep it elsewhere |
| 19:56.07 | mariok | placing it in /usr/local/share/ca-certificates and do a update-ca-certificates did not work |
| 19:56.20 | valdyn | HackeMate: vendors typically change hardware but not the product name |
| 19:56.35 | valdyn | HackeMate: at least for such cheap stuff like your usb dongle |
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| 19:56.50 | saivert | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 63 2011-01-22 20:51 Thawte_Personal_Basic_CA.pem -> /usr/share/ca-certificates/mozilla/Thawte_Personal_Basic_CA.crt |
| 19:56.55 | HackeMate | :( |
| 19:56.56 | saivert | that is what is on my system at least |
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| 19:57.13 | HackeMate | i have an EyeTV that is not that cheap, and a wintv hvr that i feel was not gifted too |
| 19:57.15 | saivert | running Debian Lenny |
| 19:57.19 | HackeMate | nothing is available for linux |
| 19:57.23 | valdyn | saivert: thats where its installed to but not where programs look for it |
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| 19:57.42 | HackeMate | the worst thing is i saw forums talking about em288xx driver works |
| 19:57.46 | HackeMate | it seems just a fake, aw |
| 19:57.51 | saivert | don't know why it says mozilla though. I didn't install any mozilla app |
| 19:57.56 | valdyn | HackeMate: considerung that i own several dvb devices that are supported just fine... |
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| 19:58.12 | HackeMate | tell me your favourite device, i will buy one |
| 19:58.16 | HackeMate | im tired to experiment |
| 19:58.19 | saivert | I did download Minefield nightly but as a tar.bz2 archive. no system wide install |
| 19:58.21 | valdyn | saivert: its not a root cert |
| 19:58.43 | valdyn | saivert: its a cert that might be used by mozilla though |
| 19:59.11 | saivert | that is all of them then |
| 19:59.30 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.01 | valdyn | and if that mozilla cert is published to use by seperate apps on your system it will have a symlink in /etc/ssl/certs |
| 20:00.19 | saivert | I guess it comes with Debian by default |
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| 20:01.56 | Makuew | Can most people as possible please download http://srv11.fr.norseedbox.net/lol ? At a 100mbit+ connection preffered. thanks |
| 20:02.23 | valdyn | HackeMate: i cannot tell you, devices are not producised by any hardware thats actually used |
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| 20:02.43 | valdyn | HackeMate: but you can easily find a vendor that will offer devices tat are supported by linux |
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| 20:03.24 | valdyn | *pruductised* even |
| 20:03.29 | valdyn | *productised* even |
| 20:03.29 | karlpinc | !tell HackeMate about dvb |
| 20:04.12 | HackeMate | thanks |
| 20:04.12 | robokop | Makuew: why? |
| 20:04.19 | Makuew | checking speed |
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| 20:04.32 | Makuew | currently 590MB/s |
| 20:04.42 | Makuew | 650MB/s :o |
| 20:05.08 | robokop | 50Mb/s from me :p |
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| 20:05.22 | mariok | I copied my root certificate to /usr/local/share/ca-certificates and run update-ca-certificates |
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| 20:05.31 | Makuew | :P |
| 20:05.32 | valdyn | mariok: NO! |
| 20:05.36 | mariok | It tells me: 1 added, 0 removed; done. |
| 20:05.42 | valdyn | mariok: you should put it into /etc/ssl/certs |
| 20:06.04 | Makuew | Alright, can stop now. |
| 20:06.13 | valdyn | mariok: err, nvm, sorry, since youre using update.. its ok |
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| 20:06.22 | mariok | yes, update-ca-certificates makes soft links inside /etc/ssl/certs |
| 20:06.28 | Makuew | robokop: what server did you download from? |
| 20:06.31 | Makuew | I mean, location and isp |
| 20:06.50 | valdyn | mariok: mbits or bytes? |
| 20:06.51 | robokop | Makuew: nl surfnet gigabit |
| 20:07.11 | Makuew | robokop: okay |
| 20:07.15 | mariok | Then I restarted iceweasel and iceweasel does not care about my certificate. |
| 20:07.29 | mariok | I also tried that with konqueror. No succcess too. |
| 20:07.29 | valdyn | mariok: how do you know? |
| 20:07.40 | mariok | what? |
| 20:07.43 | mariok | I googled it. |
| 20:07.57 | valdyn | mariok: how do you know that iceweasel does not care about the cert? |
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| 20:08.45 | mariok | I tried to access my SSL/TLS protected web site and I get a "this connectionis not trusted" message |
| 20:09.00 | robokop | Makuew: i finished the download :P |
| 20:09.23 | valdyn | mariok: is the cert listed in iceweasel? |
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| 20:10.20 | mariok | valdyn: No it's not. |
| 20:10.47 | mariok | In the "show certificates" dialog of Iceweasel I can se many CAs but not my own. |
| 20:11.05 | mariok | The softlinks in /etc/ssl/certs/ are there. |
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| 20:12.36 | mariok | I was looking for a "CA deployment guide for Debian" too but I can't find one. |
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| 20:14.35 | mariok | openssl s_client -connect 192.168.160.18:443 |
| 20:14.36 | mariok | ... |
| 20:14.45 | mariok | verify error:num=19:self signed certificate in certificate chain |
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| 20:15.23 | mariok | should openssl care about the certificates inside /etc/ssl/certs/ automatically ? |
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| 20:18.08 | jhutchins | mariok: You don't HAVE a CA. |
| 20:18.34 | jhutchins | mariok: CA stands for Certificate Authority - someone who issues certificates and is recognized by the browser developers. |
| 20:19.09 | jhutchins | mariok: Unless you purchages a certificate from a CA, it's going to be untrusted. |
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| 20:19.31 | mariok | jhutchins: I created my own CA. |
| 20:19.34 | mariok | using openssl |
| 20:19.49 | jhutchins | mariok: Which is untrusted by definition - it's a "self signed" certificate. |
| 20:19.59 | mariok | and now I try to deploy my cakey from my root CA to all my clients (running Debian) |
| 20:20.08 | jhutchins | mariok: That's NOT a CA you created. |
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| 20:21.03 | mariok | jhutchins: how do you know? |
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| 20:21.23 | jhutchins | Because a CA is a certificate authority. |
| 20:21.36 | jhutchins | mariok: It's an organization, not a certificate. |
| 20:21.54 | jhutchins | mariok: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificate_authority |
| 20:22.00 | mariok | you are right. |
| 20:22.08 | themill | you can be your own CA, however |
| 20:22.18 | mariok | I mean PKI. I created my own PKI of corse. |
| 20:22.27 | mariok | I don't own a CA myself. |
| 20:22.31 | saivert | self-signed cert |
| 20:22.34 | saivert | just say that |
| 20:22.44 | saivert | everybody knows what it is then |
| 20:22.50 | saivert | instead of using cryptic acronyms |
| 20:22.54 | jhutchins | mariok: There are about 36 listed root CA's. Other CA's can be assigned through a tree of authority that leads back to a root CA. |
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| 20:24.03 | HackeMate | what does this means? |
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| 20:24.06 | HackeMate | dvb-usb: found a 'Elgato EyeTV DTT' in cold state, will try to load a firmware |
| 20:24.22 | HackeMate | cold state means is not sure if its supported? |
| 20:24.33 | jhutchins | mariok: Basically you have three options: You can tell your browser to trust your certificate even though it's self-signed, you can generate a certificate and create a CA list that includes the system you generated it on as a trusted authority (or get a free certificate from a free CA who's not on the list), or you can buy one. |
| 20:25.01 | jhutchins | HackeMate: cold state means not initialized/operating. |
| 20:25.07 | nvz | HackeMate: sounds to me like it means either its not very warm, or that its not initalized |
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| 20:25.35 | HackeMate | ahm :/ |
| 20:25.53 | jhutchins | HackeMate: Hence the attempt to load firmware to it and initialize it. |
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| 20:26.08 | HackeMate | yes it loads a firmware but wont work |
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| 20:26.28 | jhutchins | HackeMate: You have the correct firmware? |
| 20:26.43 | mariok | that's the point: How can I tell my browser to trust my my certificate of my "root PKI". |
| 20:26.57 | HackeMate | i believe so, Elgato EyeTV DTT â Yes, in kernel since 2.6.310fd9:0021 USB2.0 dvb-usb-dib0700-1.20.fw |
| 20:27.03 | mariok | ^^ I need to know a way done i the command line |
| 20:27.09 | HackeMate | usbcore: registered new interface driver dvb_usb_dib0700 |
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| 20:27.22 | jhutchins | mariok: Why? Why not just use the dialog? |
| 20:27.29 | HackeMate | it creates a /dev/dvb/adapter0/ but any tv software can detect it |
| 20:27.39 | aksn | Hi all. I'm using debian testing amd64, and when I install and put the wlan interface up using the firmware-brcm80211 package my laptop gets freezed. If I uninstall that package everything is OK. How could I solve this? thanks |
| 20:27.49 | mariok | how to auto-deploy that on n machines using a x dialog ? |
| 20:27.53 | valdyn | HackeMate: what is "any" tv software? |
| 20:27.56 | jelly-home | HackeMate: there's also a #v4l and a #linuxtv channel, you might have more luck there |
| 20:28.09 | HackeMate | valdyn: i tried kaffeine, |
| 20:28.13 | HackeMate | kdetv |
| 20:28.17 | HackeMate | mythtv |
| 20:28.25 | valdyn | HackeMate: mplayer dvb:// |
| 20:28.25 | jhutchins | mariok: Ah. You need to distribute the key manually and copy it to the correct location in the user's tree. |
| 20:28.27 | HackeMate | and some other that dont remember but i didnt like it |
| 20:28.32 | HackeMate | hm there i go! |
| 20:28.35 | valdyn | HackeMate: where is your channels list? |
| 20:28.35 | mariok | I was thinking about a small self generateed deb.file which holds the command line instructions to do the job. |
| 20:28.47 | jhutchins | mariok: (I think you can put it in the master cert file for the whole system,.) |
| 20:28.59 | HackeMate | my irc channel list? |
| 20:29.23 | HackeMate | if talking about the dvb, i dont have a channel list yet |
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| 20:29.46 | mariok | and the master cert file is? |
| 20:30.13 | jhutchins | mariok: 1) Read the wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificate_authority 2) Read the HOWTO: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/SSL-Certificates-HOWTO/ - be aware that it's confusing and out of date. |
| 20:30.43 | valdyn | HackeMate: you cant use dvb without the channels list |
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| 20:31.03 | tuv | what is a decent offline json viewer? |
| 20:31.16 | HackeMate | i thought the software will create it |
| 20:31.25 | valdyn | HackeMate: when you set up dvb you need a list of frequencies to scan for your area, then you scan that list of frequencies to create a channels list |
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| 20:31.42 | Phantom_Hoover | I can't run X apps from inside my chroot. |
| 20:31.43 | valdyn | HackeMate: alternatively you could scan all frequencies, but that would probably take forever |
| 20:31.43 | HackeMate | oh! so i missed that part |
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| 20:31.58 | jhutchins | mariok: this: http://www.eclectica.ca/howto/ssl-cert-howto.php or this: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/298805 might also help. |
| 20:32.14 | mariok | jhutchins: You think wikipedia or tldp.org knows where to pleace a cert on a Debian Desktop system? |
| 20:32.23 | mariok | support.microsoft.com *lol* |
| 20:32.26 | Phantom_Hoover | It says it can't open the display, even when it's equal to $DISPLAY normally. |
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| 20:32.35 | jhutchins | mariok: I think YOU need to know more about the ssl process. |
| 20:32.36 | valdyn | Phantom_Hoover: thats expected |
| 20:32.47 | valdyn | Parsifail: your ~/.Xauthority need to match |
| 20:32.50 | mariok | jhutchins: I know a lot about it. |
| 20:32.54 | valdyn | Phantom_Hoover: your ~/.Xauthority need to match |
| 20:32.57 | Phantom_Hoover | Oh, right. |
| 20:33.16 | mariok | I created 2 PKIs (not to say my own CAs) |
| 20:33.29 | Phantom_Hoover | valdyn, I don't have a ~/.XAuthority. |
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| 20:34.05 | jelly-home | mariok: we eagerly await your Debian-specific documentation updates and references. |
| 20:34.23 | jhutchins | mariok: This might also be helpful: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/284 |
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| 20:36.14 | mariok | in this article. |
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| 20:36.17 | mariok | we will become our own root CA |
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| 20:36.30 | Phantom_Hoover | What do I do now? |
| 20:36.31 | mariok | ^^ why not call that "my own CA" ? |
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| 20:36.54 | kshallid | hi there |
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| 20:37.16 | valdyn | mariok: a CA does not need to be at the root to be a CA? |
| 20:37.16 | mariok | I certify my own certificates to be trusted by my own PKI. |
| 20:37.50 | kshallid | i've this error W: Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_5.0.0ubuntu20_amd64.deb var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.22_amd64.deb when i have tried to run debootstrape |
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| 20:38.03 | mariok | I created two different PKIs. One for the "root CA" and a subcy for the "www department" |
| 20:38.08 | kshallid | could anyone tell me what does a mean ? |
| 20:38.10 | abrotman | kshallid: shuldn't you ask #ubuntu ? |
| 20:38.20 | abrotman | let me rephrase .. go ask #ubuntu |
| 20:38.23 | mariok | and in the "www department" I issued a certificate for my internal web service. |
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| 20:38.32 | kshallid | abrotman: ok |
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| 20:39.36 | mariok | my ssl- chain is "my own root CY -> my own www subCA -> my own certificate for my own web service" |
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| 20:40.03 | max_sharpe | realizes apitude is better than apt-get |
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| 20:40.27 | nvz | realizes max_sharpe cannot spell |
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| 20:40.36 | max_sharpe | i can. |
| 20:40.39 | max_sharpe | most of the time. |
| 20:40.41 | mariok | And if I get managed to deploy the certificate of "my own root CA" to all my Clients I should be fine. |
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| 20:41.34 | mariok | the problem is: the web browser on the client does not care about "my own root CA certificate". |
| 20:42.39 | cusco | you have do add it as a trusted ca |
| 20:42.46 | cusco | in each browser |
| 20:42.53 | cusco | perhaps you can save the profile, and replicate it |
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| 20:43.52 | saivert | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/SSL-Certificates-HOWTO/x175.html |
| 20:43.53 | mariok | cusco: that's the point. I have to do that in each browser ? |
| 20:43.54 | jhutchins | mariok: The problem is that the actual keys are stored in a database, not a flat file, so you can't add them manually. |
| 20:44.11 | sneezewort | How can I find out what options a debian package was compiled with? |
| 20:44.12 | jhutchins | mariok: You CAN add your root CA key to the CA list in /usr/share/ca-certificates/mozilla/ |
| 20:44.33 | jhutchins | mariok: That will cause the client/browser to trust your certificate. |
| 20:44.33 | bjornredtail | So... I have an ethernet interface that I have configured as static. Yet somehow the DHCP client keeps running and resetting my IP address to a dynamic address. How do I stop that from happening? |
| 20:44.54 | jhutchins | bjornredtail: uninstall network-manager |
| 20:45.09 | bjornredtail | Oh, thank you. |
| 20:45.14 | mariok | jhutchins: I'll try that. |
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| 20:45.56 | jhutchins | mariok: If you've read the links I've posted (one was a duplicate), you will know how to figure out how to add it. |
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| 20:55.29 | HackeMate | valdyn and those who helped me: thanks!!!! really, i am scanning channels now from /usr/share/dvb/dvb-t/ frecuency files now, they appear |
| 20:55.40 | HackeMate | all looks as its working! |
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| 20:59.11 | tuv | what is a decent non-web-based json viewer? |
| 20:59.16 | tuv | offline |
| 20:59.21 | jhutchins | Hm. GNU parted supports GPT |
| 20:59.54 | amazon10x | when i try to start up X, i get this error /usr/lib/libXi.so.6: undefined symbol: XESetWireToEventCookie |
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| 21:00.04 | jhutchins | HackeMate: Where'd you get the frequency list? |
| 21:00.08 | amazon10x | my packages seem to be up to day, and i can't find the cause of this. any ideas? |
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| 21:00.39 | g105b | I've just installed vsftpd, can someone guide me where to set up user accounts? |
| 21:00.41 | jhutchins | amazon10x: What release? What kernel? What GPU? What driver? |
| 21:00.46 | Phantom_Hoover | OK, I tried mounting my /home in the chroot and xeyes still said it couldn't open the display. |
| 21:01.22 | amazon10x | jhutchins: squeeze. kernel is 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 21:01.37 | HackeMate | jhutchins: I installed the package dvb-apps, it creates a directory called /usr/dvb/dvb-t/country-files |
| 21:01.46 | amazon10x | there isn't a gpu. it's headless and i remote into it with NX |
| 21:01.52 | jhutchins | HackeMate: Good to know, thanks. |
| 21:02.17 | HackeMate | im just scanning all es-* with this: for a es-*; do scan -x0 -x0 -t1 -s1 $a; done |tee channels.conf |
| 21:02.25 | HackeMate | yes, is a good tip |
| 21:02.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | g105b, the usual... /etc/vsftpd.conf read /usr/share/doc/vsftpd/ (specially README.Debian for debian-specific stuff) |
| 21:02.48 | HackeMate | i had installed the dvb long time ago, i just didnt knew how to use |
| 21:02.49 | HackeMate | stupid me |
| 21:03.10 | Phantom_Hoover | I followed precisely the instructions at http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292205, BtW. |
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| 21:04.32 | sneezewort | Is there any way to find the options a Debian package was compiled with? |
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| 21:08.37 | themill | dpkg: tell sneezewort about compile options |
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| 21:09.30 | sneezewort | Thanks. |
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| 21:12.50 | Phantom_Hoover | Just to make clear, I don't have a .xauth* or .Xauthority. |
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| 21:13.50 | mariok | thank you for your support |
| 21:13.56 | mariok | good bye |
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| 21:15.04 | nvz | Phantom_Hoover: are you talking to someone, i.e. is someone helping you? Or are you just talking to yourself? |
| 21:16.26 | Phantom_Hoover | nvz, well, valdyn told me to copy my .Xauthority, but I don't have anything with a name even vaguely similar to that anywhere in my home directory. |
| 21:16.37 | Phantom_Hoover | And when I told him this he didn't respond. |
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| 21:16.44 | Gijs | Hello |
| 21:16.54 | Gijs | What would be the best way to move a folder from 1 server to another? |
| 21:16.55 | nvz | Phantom_Hoover: are you running X? Logged in as your user, in X? |
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| 21:17.32 | Phantom_Hoover | nvz, I'm in a GNOME session, yes. |
| 21:18.09 | nvz | Phantom_Hoover: you do realize a file beginning with a period is hidden right? |
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| 21:20.33 | HackeMate | jhutchins: for some reason that channels.conf was not correct,but there is an application called me-tv that scans and creates the file on the fly |
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| 21:22.46 | Phantom_Hoover | <nvz> Phantom_Hoover: you do realize a file beginning with a period is hidden right? â yes, I do. |
| 21:22.51 | Phantom_Hoover | I am not an idiot. |
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| 21:23.46 | nvz | Phantom_Hoover: I'm just trying to gather whats going on here.. I don't see how you're running X without xauth |
| 21:24.18 | nvz | Phantom_Hoover: I don't even know what your issue is, I just seen you talking to no one in particular and not getting anywhere |
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| 21:24.38 | Phantom_Hoover | nvz, I'm trying to run X applications in a 32-bit chroot. |
| 21:24.50 | nvz | ah |
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| 21:25.20 | nvz | Phantom_Hoover: you have to have an xauth somewhere, perhaps check your logs? |
| 21:25.31 | Phantom_Hoover | My logs? |
| 21:25.42 | nvz | gimme a minute here to get up to speed |
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| 21:27.05 | abrotman | !mit magic cookie |
| 21:27.06 | dpkg | mit-magic-cookie is a key that a client application is required to possess in order to use your X11 display. Running xhost + removes this requirement which is why you should never use <xhost>. The xauth utility is in the xauth package (formerly xbase-clients) and is used to manipulate the mit-magic-cookie; ask me about <mit-magic-cookie export>. For other, easier ways of running apps as another user, ask me about <root x>. |
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| 21:28.31 | nvz | Phantom_Hoover: the issue of you having one is a mystery not altogether relevant to your issue, so maybe we should move on to what dpkg just said, and use the utilities to create/duplicate one |
| 21:29.38 | nvz | Phantom_Hoover: simply running xauth with no commands would tell you where your current file is |
| 21:29.50 | Phantom_Hoover | Using authority file /var/run/gdm3/auth-for-phantomhoover-XeQAYy/database |
| 21:30.20 | nvz | yeah thats something I've not seen before :- |
| 21:30.30 | Phantom_Hoover | Is mystery. |
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| 21:30.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | right... .Xauthority moved in squeeze |
| 21:30.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | much to my distress |
| 21:30.59 | nvz | ah.. |
| 21:31.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, wasn't there in Lenny |
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| 21:31.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | I find it kind of ... unexpected and annoying |
| 21:31.16 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: messed up all kinds of stuff for you eh? |
| 21:31.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, just my brain... |
| 21:32.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it's a nuisance - I used to be able to copy $HOME/.Xauthority for a user |
| 21:32.15 | esing | I know how to make a partition smaller, is it aswell possible to make the partition of an installed Distru bigger? |
| 21:32.24 | nvz | yeah this is the first I've heard of it.. I wonder why that was done.. I always thought keeping everything belonging to a user in their home dir made things easier to understand |
| 21:32.30 | Phantom_Hoover | nvz, so if I copy that file into the chroot home as ~/.Xauthority? |
| 21:32.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | now you have to a) explicitely "unset XAUTHORITY" (except if it's root) and then do the xauth list/xauth add fandango |
| 21:32.40 | valdyn | esing: if there is free room after that partition |
| 21:33.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, I wonder if it adds to security in a way... |
| 21:33.17 | esing | valdyn yus, I want to remove my Ubuntu 8.04 partition and want to put the space back to the fresh debian |
| 21:33.33 | nvz | esing: yes, you can use gparted to do this. I find it easiest personally to install PQmagic on a thumbdrive using unetbootin and do it while neither of the OSes are online, but its usually doable online. I just find it simpler that way |
| 21:33.39 | valdyn | esing: so do just that, remove that partition and you will have free space |
| 21:34.09 | esing | valdyn wouldnt you suggest to take the free space and resize the debian partition? |
| 21:34.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, there's also... I think actually a couple of bugs on this - and I think it's the switch from gdm to gdm3 that does it... here's one: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=586685 |
| 21:34.22 | valdyn | esing: thats what I suggested |
| 21:34.26 | nvz | CutMeOwnThroat: idk, I'm curious, but not enough to really look it up right now.. as I'm in the middle of watching a movie. |
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| 21:34.51 | nvz | hmm.. this font I'm using is causing letters to overlap.. |
| 21:34.52 | esing | valdyn ah I thought you meant I left the free space without distru and keep it empty as i.e. ext2/3 only for /home files but now I understood |
| 21:35.11 | esing | thnx |
| 21:35.38 | nvz | switches to a courier font |
| 21:35.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvz, well, look at the bug for things that can go wrong := |
| 21:36.06 | Phantom_Hoover | nvz, well, I tried copying $XAUTHORITY to the chroot and setting it appropriately, and, not surprisingly, it didn't work. |
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| 21:36.59 | nvz | Its been a long time since I've fooled with a 32bit chroot, but I never did anything special to get it to work. |
| 21:36.59 | Phantom_Hoover | And then I fixed the permissions and it does. |
| 21:37.04 | Phantom_Hoover | yaaaaaay |
| 21:37.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Phantom_Hoover, do "xauth list" as the user who owns the screen... see that $XAUTHORITY is not set for the user inside the chroot (or set to something that makes sense) and do xauth add <line from the xauth list you did before> |
| 21:37.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, all right :) |
| 21:37.35 | nvz | Phantom_Hoover: though I was using schroot which may do that stuff for you.. idk |
| 21:37.59 | nvz | its not one of my areas of expertise.. I've not played with it much. |
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| 21:39.14 | g105b | how do I create a new user that can only access a certain directory (and sub-directories) but no directories above? |
| 21:39.35 | Phantom_Hoover | chroot :P |
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| 21:40.12 | Phantom_Hoover | NB: I am not to be trusted in these matters. |
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| 21:40.44 | g105b | Phantom_Hoover: omg I just chrooted and now can't access my server!!!!!!!! |
| 21:40.55 | g105b | Phantom_Hoover: :P |
| 21:41.23 | nvz | apparently after reviewing again the schroot package, it does make things like this work a lot easier |
| 21:41.38 | nvz | it can inherit the environment among other things |
| 21:41.53 | Phantom_Hoover | chroot confused me for ages due to a) not remembering that /bin wasn't carried over and b) my eternal nemesis, dynamic linking. |
| 21:42.11 | jelly-home | links Phantom_Hoover's dynamos |
| 21:42.19 | Phantom_Hoover | Noooooooooooooooooooo |
| 21:42.23 | max_sharpe | lol |
| 21:42.28 | nvz | Phantom_Hoover: have you looked at schroot? |
| 21:42.36 | max_sharpe | unlinks Phantom_Hoover links. |
| 21:42.42 | Phantom_Hoover | nvz, it's a bit late now. |
| 21:42.47 | max_sharpe | dwight shroot? |
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| 21:43.16 | nvz | Phantom_Hoover: yeah, but it makes these sorts of things easier.. can easily run apps from all different branches or different archs |
| 21:43.33 | nvz | if you do this sort of thing a lot, it may be worth looking into |
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| 21:51.38 | g105b | can someone confirm how to create a new user with a password and a new home directory? |
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| 21:51.45 | g105b | (I'm a newb) |
| 21:51.54 | nvz | g105b: adduser |
| 21:52.44 | oOarthurOo | adduser newb |
| 21:52.46 | g105b | nvz: and to log on as the new user? su ? |
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| 21:53.10 | g105b | is it not useradd? |
| 21:53.18 | nvz | g105b: su will change the user in the current shell |
| 21:53.36 | nvz | g105b: some distros have useradd, debian has adduser |
| 21:53.42 | Phantom_Hoover | g105b, adduser vs. useradd seems to be six to half a dozen. |
| 21:53.55 | nvz | g105b: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 21:54.39 | simonrvn | debian's adduser beats the others hands down |
| 21:54.40 | g105b | nvz: create a new user with less privileges, and a home directory for an internal ftp server |
| 21:54.53 | karlpinc | nvz: There's useradd too, it's just not recommended for people to use. |
| 21:55.03 | babilen | adduser is "the friendlier front-end to the low-level ... useradd" |
| 21:55.17 | nvz | karlpinc: I'm linux certified and been using debian for 10 years.. I'm just trying not to confuse people |
| 21:56.08 | Phantom_Hoover | FFS. |
| 21:56.19 | Phantom_Hoover | How the hell do I get this damn thing to install SDL? |
| 21:56.20 | karlpinc | nvz: Ah, I'm uncertified in anything -- and like it that way. |
| 21:56.37 | Phantom_Hoover | libsdl1.2-debian-all does nothing. |
| 21:56.43 | nvz | karlpinc: yeah well its just a small piece of paper.. heh |
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| 21:56.48 | jhutchins_lt | Most distros have both. Adduser builds the profile, useradd just creates the user. |
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| 21:59.00 | simonrvn | Phantom_Hoover: iinm it's a meta-package. dpkg -L it |
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| 22:03.31 | simonrvn | dvs: i guess you heard about the caps... |
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| 22:06.22 | dvs | simonrvn: Yes, I have (and am not pleased!) |
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| 22:06.59 | dvs | (I was reviewing my filter list a second ago) |
| 22:07.06 | simonrvn | neither am i. the big boys exhibiting their greed again, and a compliant regulatory body... |
| 22:07.37 | jhutchins_lt | The problem is that most users have no way of limiting what's downloaded by rapaciouly bad web pages. |
| 22:07.55 | jhutchins_lt | Stuff that reloads the whole page every thirty seconds. |
| 22:07.56 | dvs | simonrvn: compliant? More like co-conspiritor! |
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| 22:08.24 | simonrvn | dvs: i was being polite ;). i have a few choice words for them ;). |
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| 22:09.18 | dvs | simonrvn: That's one more reason for me to hope that squeeze gets released this month. I can download the iso images one last time. |
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| 22:10.48 | simonrvn | here we don't usually go over 15-18 GiB/month, but it's the principle of the thing that's insulting and sick |
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| 22:11.49 | dvs | I completely agree. If another company can offer a better deal, then the big ISPs have to cheat to level the playing field instead of trying to match the offer. |
| 22:12.45 | simonrvn | dvs: yup. and the worst of them is bell. prime example of a scrooge. |
| 22:12.50 | jhutchins_lt | The web evolved in an unmetered environment, it's really not suited to metering. |
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| 22:13.42 | simonrvn | it also impedes on freedom of info, net neutrality |
| 22:13.48 | dvs | Scrooge? More like an 800-pound gorilla |
| 22:14.20 | simonrvn | bully everyone into playing the game their way instead of sharing |
| 22:15.02 | dvs | I guess not many people were getting their "ultra speed" packages. |
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| 22:15.42 | simonrvn | apparently cable is involved too, i figure videotron is in on it too |
| 22:16.24 | dvs | I guess that the cable companies are being smart by letting Bell be the fall guy. |
| 22:16.29 | simonrvn | sick society when bullies get their way so easily, and most people don't care |
| 22:16.36 | dvs | or don't know |
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| 22:16.47 | simonrvn | yes, that's a good point also |
| 22:16.49 | jhutchins_lt | #debian-offtopic |
| 22:17.18 | simonrvn | is there already ;p |
| 22:17.41 | dvs | ah, I have to go make dinner anyways. ciao! |
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| 22:18.07 | simonrvn | see ya |
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| 22:21.43 | TimmyT | How to configure a module to start automatically? |
| 22:21.53 | simonrvn | /etc/modules |
| 22:23.49 | TimmyT | whitch one is better? cpufreq or powernowd ? |
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| 22:30.02 | esing | how can I install wpa_supplicant in debian shell? |
| 22:30.30 | babilen | esing: "aptitude install wpasupplicant" ? |
| 22:30.39 | esing | thx |
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| 22:31.00 | esing | aptitude = pacman ? |
| 22:31.14 | max_sharpe | anybody very familar with aptitude ? |
| 22:31.38 | simonrvn | man aptitude |
| 22:31.45 | babilen | esing: No, aptitude == Super Mario (and yes, aptitude is Debian's package manager) |
| 22:31.55 | esing | ah oki thnx :) |
| 22:32.17 | simonrvn | aptitude is the big super mario with the mushroom |
| 22:32.22 | babilen | !tell esing -about reference |
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| 22:32.29 | babilen | !tell esing -about search |
| 22:32.39 | max_sharpe | i have some general questions. |
| 22:32.52 | max_sharpe | I thought when using aptitude |
| 22:32.54 | babilen | max_sharpe: Consider all of them answered |
| 22:32.59 | max_sharpe | if im install a specific package |
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| 22:33.08 | babilen | !enter |
| 22:33.08 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 22:33.09 | max_sharpe | it would auto install the dependant packages |
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| 22:33.32 | babilen | yes, that is correct. |
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| 22:33.46 | esing | how can I see all my networker drivers within shell= |
| 22:34.03 | babilen | esing: What do you mean? List all modules? List all interfaces? |
| 22:34.11 | esing | interfaces |
| 22:34.16 | esing | i.e. eth0 wlan0 |
| 22:34.18 | babilen | "ifconfig -a" |
| 22:34.21 | esing | thnx |
| 22:35.03 | babilen | esing: And please read some documentation ... There is no point in spoon-feeding you single commands for the next 4 years ;) |
| 22:35.13 | esing | *g* |
| 22:35.26 | esing | well ifconfig -a doesnt even show my wlan |
| 22:35.27 | esing | hmm |
| 22:35.37 | esing | iam going to read now through the wiki |
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| 22:36.39 | babilen | esing: What are you trying to achieve? I just mean that if you ask bit more general question like: "How do I get my ****** working on Debian version X.X?" people might be able to help you. |
| 22:36.57 | esing | ah oki |
| 22:37.23 | esing | I want to get a Wlan connection with Debian Lenny without using desktop environment (isnt installed) |
| 22:37.39 | babilen | For example, if you are currently trying to get your wlan to work, you could start by pasting the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" in here |
| 22:37.49 | esing | oki sec |
| 22:38.31 | esing | ::: network controller : intel corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexi co2] Network Connection [8086:42220] (rev05) |
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| 22:41.17 | babilen | esing: Try "modprobe ipw2200" and run "dmesg|tail -n10" afterwards and show me the output on: http://paste.debian.net |
| 22:41.37 | esing | oki |
| 22:41.57 | babilen | ah, throw in the output of "ifconfig -a" and "iwconfig" as well :) |
| 22:42.42 | esing | babilen I cant paste it to http:pastedebia.net because the debian laptop has no internet |
| 22:42.49 | esing | i can write it down here |
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| 22:42.57 | babilen | ok ... |
| 22:43.30 | babilen | Well it is not *that* important. I just wanted to see if the module loads correctly and if the interface is listed. |
| 22:43.51 | esing | 4x cs: I0 port probe .... : clean then adding .... swap on /dev/sda2 Prority -1 extents:1..... then module loaded |
| 22:44.18 | babilen | esing: do you see the interface now? |
| 22:44.30 | esing | not yet in ifconfig -a |
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| 22:44.34 | esing | only eth0:avahi |
| 22:44.36 | esing | and eth0 |
| 22:44.38 | babilen | it is always a bit harder if you can't paste -- no wired network? |
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| 22:45.19 | esing | babilen my touchpad doesnt work with shell copy & paste, but I have wired connecting downstairs, but as I said, cant copy tho |
| 22:45.27 | babilen | Which version of Debian is this? Could you try "modprobe -r ipw2200 ; modprobe ipw2200" and check the dmesg output for errors again? |
| 22:45.31 | esing | (lenny |
| 22:46.10 | esing | UNable to load firmware: -2 |
| 22:46.13 | babilen | esing: You can install "pastebinit" and paste using, for example, "dmesg|tail -n10|pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" |
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| 22:46.19 | esing | ipw2200: failed to register network device |
| 22:46.45 | babilen | esing: Ah, ok. That was the error I was after. What is the name of the firmware? (the filename) |
| 22:46.47 | esing | ACPI:PCI : interrupt for device 0000:... disable ipw2200 : probe of ... failed with error -5 |
| 22:46.56 | esing | ah oki |
| 22:47.47 | babilen | esing: But you most definitely want to install "firmware-ipw2x00" from "non-free" |
| 22:47.54 | babilen | ,info firmware-ipw2x00 |
| 22:47.56 | judd | Package firmware-ipw2x00 (non-free/admin, optional) in lenny/i386: Binary firmware for Intel Pro Wireless 2100, 2200 and 2915. Version: 0.14+lenny2; Size: 507.1k; Installed: 1252k; Homepage: http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/firmware.php?fid=4, http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/firmware.php?fid=7 |
| 22:47.59 | babilen | !non-free |
| 22:48.00 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 22:48.18 | esing | babilen do I need internet connection for this? |
| 22:48.39 | esing | babilen maybe it is better I install a desktop environment |
| 22:48.48 | esing | and setup everything from there |
| 22:48.55 | babilen | esing: You could download the file and transfer it with a USB stick or some other removable media, but a working network connection would be the easiest way. yes |
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| 22:49.17 | babilen | esing: You would still be working on the command line :) |
| 22:49.18 | max_sharpe | noooo comman line forever. |
| 22:49.26 | esing | ye ^^ |
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| 22:50.10 | babilen | esing: is it a problem to get the computer connected to the internet? |
| 22:50.17 | esing | no I can do this |
| 22:50.25 | esing | just have to go downstairs |
| 22:50.59 | esing | but I think I need to unpack the file too |
| 22:51.11 | esing | it is tgz |
| 22:51.38 | esing | so I would need to install xarchiver |
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| 22:51.56 | esing | mb it is easier to install LXDE and do all through gui |
| 22:52.21 | esing | because lxde comes with the driver for my wlan |
| 22:52.34 | babilen | esing: Ok, please do. It is just the easiest way to deal with this. OTOH you could also just download http://packages.debian.org/lenny/firmware-ipw2x00 transfer it and install it with "dpkg -i name_of_the.deb" or place it in /var/cache/apt/archives/ and run "aptitude install firmware-ipw2x00 |
| 22:52.51 | esing | ok you are right |
| 22:52.53 | babilen | esing: huh, unpack? no, no ... |
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| 22:53.06 | esing | i take both notebooks downstairs and do it through shell now |
| 22:53.06 | esing | :)) |
| 22:53.16 | babilen | wise decision :) |
| 22:53.46 | babilen | esing: Have you just installed the notebook? |
| 22:54.29 | esing | nah |
| 22:54.34 | esing | I installed debian yesterday |
| 22:55.01 | esing | ok iam connected now to internet |
| 22:55.07 | esing | first I will get pastbinit |
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| 22:55.19 | babilen | esing: Ok, I just want to let you know that a new Debian release is imminent. (Expected in 5 days) -- You might want to install that, instead of Lenny. Or upgrade soon. |
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| 22:55.47 | esing | (yus I know ... but I decided for lenny because of a driver i have which only works with older kernels) |
| 22:56.00 | babilen | Oh, which driver is that? |
| 22:56.10 | babilen | (Just curious) |
| 22:57.05 | babilen | !non-free sources |
| 22:57.05 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 22:57.08 | esing | It is an old pcmcia dect card |
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| 22:57.25 | esing | ( i want to test encryption of my dect phones with it ) |
| 22:57.29 | babilen | esing: Ok, you have to enable non-free sources (see above) |
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| 22:57.35 | esing | ok |
| 22:57.44 | jef91 | Anyone here know their way around the reprepro repository creation command? |
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| 22:58.20 | babilen | jef91: I am busy, but: Just ask and be patient |
| 22:58.34 | esing | non free isnt inside source.list |
| 22:58.43 | esing | what the correct link to include? |
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| 22:59.07 | babilen | esing: So add it ... make sure the "deb ....." lines end in "main contrib non-free" |
| 22:59.16 | esing | yus |
| 22:59.22 | jef91 | babilen How I can I have repreprop 100% delete a component in my repository? I fubared a section badly and want to wipe it out and start over |
| 22:59.27 | esing | but i dont know the url ie http://...? |
| 22:59.41 | babilen | esing: What do you have in your sources.list now? |
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| 22:59.55 | babilen | (pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list) |
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| 23:01.08 | babilen | !lenny sources.list |
| 23:01.08 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.CC.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where CC is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> and "man sources.list". |
| 23:02.45 | esing | babilen lenny main updates main and volatile main |
| 23:02.54 | esing | (sry I was shortly on toilet) |
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| 23:02.55 | lolcat | Can I install debian with only a usb stick and an ubuntu livecd? |
| 23:03.24 | jef91 | Do you have a debian CD at least lolocat? |
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| 23:03.38 | lolcat | No, I am planning on trying to burn one |
| 23:03.50 | lolcat | But I suspect the livecd will crash before it is done... |
| 23:04.04 | babilen | esing: yeah, replace "main" with "main contrib non-free" |
| 23:04.21 | esing | ah ok |
| 23:04.26 | esing | i thought i had to write a new line |
| 23:04.46 | babilen | esing: I assume that you don't really have a single line "lenny main updates main and volatile main" but rather individual "deb .... main" lines for lenny, updates and volatile :) |
| 23:05.04 | esing | yes |
| 23:05.04 | esing | :) |
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| 23:05.48 | babilen | esing: No, not a new line. You have "main" enabled right now (packages in Debian) and you want to enable "contrib" and "non-free" (non-free packages or those that depend on them which are not part or "main") |
| 23:05.49 | esing | done |
| 23:05.55 | slept | lolcat, (a) use th ubuntucd to download a buissnescard image and put it on the usbstick (b) use the usb stick install ubuntu on that boot it and burn a cd |
| 23:06.05 | esing | yus now I understood what you mean :) |
| 23:06.05 | babilen | esing: great, run "aptitude update" now |
| 23:06.06 | slept | lolcat, can you boot from usb ? |
| 23:06.19 | esing | k done |
| 23:06.27 | lolcat | slept: Yes |
| 23:06.56 | babilen | esing: "aptitude install firmware-ipw2x00" |
| 23:07.04 | lolcat | slept: Your plan sounds fair |
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| 23:07.32 | esing | perfect worked .. done : |
| 23:07.35 | esing | :) |
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| 23:08.28 | tlchack5 | I installed mysql and phpmyadmin about 5 months ago on my server and haven't used them since. I forgot the passwords to them, they have nothing important in them. Will aptitude remove mysql and aptitude remove phpmyadmin and then reinstalling them reset the passwords? |
| 23:08.39 | babilen | esing: "modprobe -r ipw2200 ; modprobe ipw2200 ; ifconfig -a ; iwconfig" â pastebin and check "dmesg |tail -n 20" if the firmware is loaded now |
| 23:08.40 | slept | lolcat, go for (a) and use squeeze since that will be released soon |
| 23:09.34 | babilen | lolcat: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ + http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual |
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| 23:10.55 | esing | how can I use pastbinit |
| 23:11.11 | esing | i installed it yet |
| 23:11.23 | esing | ah second |
| 23:11.24 | jef91 | Anyone know how I can fully remove a repository component using the reprepro command? |
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| 23:11.47 | babilen | esing: ah, just tell me if the interface is listed now and the firmware loaded correctly |
| 23:12.26 | simonrvn | tlchack5: dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.1 or something like that |
| 23:12.33 | esing | dmesg |tail -n 20 shows PRO/Wireless 2200 firmware is detected |
| 23:12.45 | esing | but ipconfig doesnt show wlan |
| 23:12.53 | simonrvn | tlchack5: confirmed ^^ |
| 23:12.59 | esing | owcpmfog sjpw mp woreöess extemsopms |
| 23:13.15 | babilen | esing: What? |
| 23:13.19 | esing | sry |
| 23:13.29 | esing | iwconfig doesnt show wireless extensions |
| 23:13.30 | babilen | I can decipher that ... wireless extensions? |
| 23:13.45 | esing | yus |
| 23:13.53 | esing | iwconfig shows only eth1 unassociated ESSID |
| 23:13.59 | esing | I guess eth1 is wlan? |
| 23:14.05 | babilen | probably |
| 23:14.08 | babilen | !70 |
| 23:14.09 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 23:14.20 | babilen | esing: You can change that according to ^^^^ |
| 23:14.25 | esing | ^^ |
| 23:14.44 | babilen | But let us just assume that eth1 is your wifi interface ... |
| 23:14.59 | esing | yus |
| 23:15.11 | babilen | wonderful ... anything else I can do for you? |
| 23:15.41 | esing | well now would just connect to my wireless lan through iwconfig etc ... |
| 23:15.42 | esing | yus? |
| 23:15.49 | esing | + I |
| 23:15.57 | babilen | It is "yes" not "yus" by the way |
| 23:16.06 | esing | yus = yes sir (british shortel) |
| 23:16.07 | esing | :) |
| 23:16.15 | esing | but Iam german tho ;) |
| 23:16.16 | slept | i bet 1 on wpa |
| 23:16.25 | tlchack5 | simonrvn: Thanks buddy |
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| 23:16.57 | babilen | esing: Oh, I should have known that, given that I just moved to the UK :) |
| 23:17.18 | babilen | esing: German here as well :) |
| 23:17.24 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 23:17.47 | esing | babilen hehe awesome =) |
| 23:17.51 | jef91 | Anyone know how I can fully remove a repository component using the reprepro command? |
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| 23:18.03 | esing | (which part of germany if I may ask) |
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| 23:20.52 | _Techie_ | is there anyway to instal smart boot manager inside debian for a system with a semi borked debian install that doesnt like detecting usb in BIOS all the time |
| 23:20.55 | _Techie_ | http://linux.simple.be/tools/sbm |
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| 23:26.13 | slept | _Techie_, what is your problem ? |
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| 23:29.05 | _Techie_ | slept, i have a laptop, dvd drive is broken and has been removed |
| 23:29.38 | _Techie_ | slept, it has a borked debian install on the HDD, and the bios only sometimes detects usb devices |
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| 23:33.05 | _Techie_ | slept, i dont blame you if you dont say anything, nobody else has been of any use at all |
| 23:33.10 | slept | _Techie_, do you have an other computer with which you cam install on the hd ? |
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| 23:33.34 | _Techie_ | slept, no i do not have any 2.5 IDE adapters |
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| 23:35.20 | slept | _Techie_, you can get them as external harddrive cases with usb but that is about the prize of an cd drive .... |
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| 23:41.37 | _Techie_ | hrmm, is there any way to upgrade the bios from inside debian? |
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| 23:43.01 | slept | _Techie_, http://www.supergrubdisk.org/wiki/USB_Boot has the solution for you I guess |
| 23:43.40 | slept | _Techie_, most bios updates I have done were booting a cd or floppy |
| 23:44.00 | _Techie_ | this one seems to be designed for upgrading from within windows |
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| 23:44.35 | neoice | is anyone here familiar with the slapd update for squeeze? the inclusion of cn=config seems to cause some issues if you've never worked with it before. |
| 23:47.20 | slept | _Techie_, so you get yourself a supergrub Floppy use it to boot from usb which contains a debian netinstall or similar |
| 23:47.22 | gbear14275 | how about pointing me to the documentation for grub-installer... doesn't seem to be well documented |
| 23:48.35 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions grub-doc |
| 23:48.38 | judd | Package grub-doc on i386 -- etch: 0.97-27etch1; lenny: 0.97-47lenny2; sid: 0.97-64; squeeze: 0.97-64 |
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| 23:51.14 | slept | gbear14275,if you have a simple question most likely the answer is : grub-install (hd*) replace * with your hd-number sda is 0, sdb is 1 and so on |
| 23:51.38 | gbear14275 | slept, grub-install not found... |
| 23:52.02 | slept | you have to be root to write on the MBR |
| 23:52.12 | gbear14275 | the only command available from the busybox shell is "grub-installer" which has no man page or help file |
| 23:53.34 | gbear14275 | slept, is there a way to use the CD1 to go "live"? all I can execute is the installer... |
| 23:53.38 | slept | if you end up in busybox you allready do have a bootloader with which you can boot your kernel |
| 23:53.51 | gbear14275 | slept, i've boot off CD1 |
| 23:54.34 | slept | so booting the installer makes you end up in busybox ? |
| 23:54.51 | gbear14275 | slept, I'm switching to the other screens to get the busybox shell |
| 23:55.24 | slept | gbear14275, do you want to install or just boot an existing system ? |
| 23:55.46 | JyZyXEL | how do you use NETKEY on debian? |
| 23:55.51 | JyZyXEL | !netkey |
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| 23:56.19 | gbear14275 | slept, I had to install (from another disk) without installing a bootloader. I'm now coming back with the standard debian disk and trying to JUST install the grub bootloader... can't seem to figure out how |
| 23:56.39 | gbear14275 | slept, it keeps trying to re-install standard debian which I don't want to do |
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| 23:57.11 | gbear14275 | slept, did I explain that right? |
| 23:57.13 | slept | gbear14275, do you know how to use grub without a menu ? |
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| 23:58.39 | gbear14275 | slept, I can't get to grub without a menu |
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| 23:59.29 | slept | gbear14275, if you get to the grub> promt you can boot the system on your harddrive |
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| 23:59.52 | slept | do you know the commands ? |