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| 00:00.23 | NiveusLuna | yeah. i was hoping for something similar to the top command. |
| 00:00.50 | zrin | NiveusLuna: jnettop |
| 00:00.56 | zrin | abrotman: you might know that - is there a way to find device name given an ATA port, line ata6 ... sdf? |
| 00:01.08 | zrin | line\like |
| 00:01.32 | abrotman | /proc/partitions ? |
| 00:02.29 | zrin | abrotman: like in "ata6.00: failed command: WRITE FPDMA QUEUED" ... which disk is it |
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| 00:02.39 | abrotman | zrin: dmesg ? |
| 00:02.58 | zrin | abrotman: dmesg gives disk model, but not device name or serial number |
| 00:03.09 | whatthefuzz | smartctl will help you determine which disk is causing the issue |
| 00:03.10 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 00:03.11 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run "lshw -html > myhardware.html" as root and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>, <driver locator>. |
| 00:04.24 | zrin | whatthefuzz: you mean comparing smart status would reveal which disk it is ... perhaps, but that is unreliable |
| 00:06.17 | cafuego | zrin: dmesg DOES give disk name and serial... but if it's been erroring for a while that info probably scrolled away. Check your boot.log file |
| 00:06.45 | zrin | cafuego: ata4.00: ATA-8: WDC WD5002ABYS-02B1B0, 02.03B03, max UDMA/133 ... no serial |
| 00:07.16 | cafuego | zrin: it shiould show you the device node a bit lower down |
| 00:07.27 | cafuego | like ata4.00: sdc |
| 00:08.31 | zrin | cafuego: that would be nice, but it isn't reality, there is no such line linking device name and ata port |
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| 00:09.04 | zrin | which wouldn't be a problem if ata error messages wouldn't give _only_ the port |
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| 00:09.49 | cafuego | zrin: Odd, I could've sworn my myth box did yesterday |
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| 00:10.38 | cafuego | zrin: Check out /sys/dev/block/4:0 |
| 00:10.48 | zrin | 2.6.35 here, but AFAIK, the problem exists for a long time |
| 00:12.47 | zrin | cafuego: usually you get something like "sd 7:0:0:0: [sdf] 390721968 512-byte logical blocks: (200 GB/186 GiB)" few lines down, but these are often mixed / interleaved in dmesg, sou one can not be sure |
| 00:12.58 | cafuego | ^ see sysfs |
| 00:13.29 | zrin | cafuego: looking for some time now, but without success |
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| 00:17.55 | cafuego | ahm, got it - i think |
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| 00:21.11 | cafuego | or maybe not |
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| 00:31.06 | aill | Hi, I am trying to encrypt and compress a file. Zip has a 4GB limit so I cant use that. Any other suggestions? |
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| 00:32.35 | abrotman | aill: gzip? 7zip? |
| 00:32.45 | liable | why not just tar and bzip it? |
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| 00:36.13 | aill | bzip? |
| 00:36.19 | aill | bzip has encryption? |
| 00:36.44 | aill | hm bzip doesnt seem to be installed on machines as standard |
| 00:37.05 | neoice | you can use openssl to encrypt files, although the commandline options are a bit esoteric |
| 00:38.18 | aill | bzip2 how long has that been included in OS's |
| 00:38.20 | aill | any idea? |
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| 00:40.23 | abrotman | gnupg ? |
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| 00:41.00 | WaterRatj | I just installed a netinstall of debian, but seems wireless isn't configured, how would I go on doing this? |
| 00:41.16 | abrotman | WaterRatj: what is the wifi device? |
| 00:41.34 | WaterRatj | No idea, how do I find out? |
| 00:41.40 | abrotman | lspci -nn |
| 00:42.03 | WaterRatj | command not found hmm |
| 00:42.19 | t3a | would anyone know why xrandr wouldnt be detecting my second screen? theyre both using dvi and im using ati drivers |
| 00:42.45 | abrotman | WaterRatj: did you skip thte "standard" bit in tasksel? |
| 00:42.52 | WaterRatj | no |
| 00:43.54 | abrotman | and you typed lspci ? |
| 00:44.15 | abrotman | cause it's in the stnadard task |
| 00:45.08 | WaterRatj | yes i did, have no idea why |
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| 00:47.42 | ilikecows | I'm having some trouble setting up a second monitor on Debian Squeeze. Can someone give me a hand at all? |
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| 00:49.30 | epeen | i'm looking for a simple, intuitive modeling program like Google's SketchUp (save Blender). i don't need animation. any ideas? |
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| 00:50.11 | t3a | would anyone know why xrandr wouldnt be detecting my second screen? theyre both using dvi and im using ati drivers |
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| 00:50.23 | abrotman | epeen: blender doesn't ahve to do animations |
| 00:50.36 | ilikecows | @t3a I'm having a similar issue |
| 00:50.54 | epeen | abrotman: it is not a simple program however. not for me. |
| 00:51.05 | abrotman | no, ti's not |
| 00:51.51 | epeen | brb |
| 00:52.01 | t3a | i got it to work, but i had some corruption and reinstalled debian and wiped my harddrive because i couldnt find any of the files |
| 00:53.33 | ilikecows | @t3a My second monitor is detected, but appears as 'Unknown' in Monitors |
| 00:53.48 | t3a | oh |
| 00:53.50 | ilikecows | Once, it was recognized when I booted in Recovery mode |
| 00:54.05 | ilikecows | As the Acer monitor it is. But never again after that |
| 00:54.14 | t3a | when i xrandr -q it lists "Screen 0" and some specs |
| 00:54.34 | ilikecows | Well |
| 00:54.36 | t3a | are they connected through DVI? |
| 00:54.44 | ilikecows | This is a laptop, with a VGA port |
| 00:55.01 | ilikecows | xrandr -q gives similar modes for the monitor as for the laptop screen |
| 00:55.10 | ilikecows | The modes for the laptop screen are appropriate |
| 00:55.18 | ilikecows | The modes for the monitor are not |
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| 00:55.45 | ilikecows | IE I don't get 1280x1024 as I should, I get 1360x786 |
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| 00:55.56 | t3a | did you try --output VGA-0 --left-of VGA-1 |
| 00:56.26 | ilikecows | Dual screens do work |
| 00:56.27 | ilikecows | But |
| 00:56.35 | ilikecows | I can't use the resolution I want |
| 00:56.48 | ilikecows | And I don't have an xorg.conf file to edit |
| 00:57.15 | ilikecows | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does literally |
| 00:57.20 | t3a | xrandr --help? i dont know the command to change resolution |
| 00:57.40 | ilikecows | And Xorg -reconfigure as root with X stopped gives me a useless skeleton file, which when I test, doesn't even work |
| 00:57.59 | ilikecows | I tried using xrandr but it wouldn't do anything |
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| 00:58.11 | ilikecows | I've been Googling like mad for two days =/ |
| 00:58.13 | axisys | how to copy the vtoc of one disk to another ? |
| 00:58.19 | axisys | my orig disk /dev/sda and new disk is /dev/sdb |
| 00:58.27 | axisys | in solaris i do it like this, prtvtoc /dev/rdsk/c0t0d0s2 | fmthard -s - /dev/rdsk/c0t1d0s2 |
| 00:59.07 | axisys | i think i need to use sfdisk . but an example would help |
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| 01:01.28 | epeen | coughs away from the doctor as she continues the physical examination. |
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| 01:02.13 | man_in_ltop | waves |
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| 01:02.39 | man_in_ltop | oops, /parted wrong channel there |
| 01:02.57 | man_in_ltop | anyone know of a full-featured lilypond frontend gui? |
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| 01:13.21 | orion_X11 | My sources.list is testing=Squeeze. What do I have to do when Squeeze becomes Stable? Do I have to change my sources.list from testing to stable and run 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade'? Or there will be a new testing named (???!!!) |
| 01:13.49 | Bop_ | orion_X11, change squeeze to testing if u want to continue in testing |
| 01:13.53 | ryan-c|w | change testing to squeeze in your sources.list |
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| 01:14.10 | `Assassin | Does anyone else get dependency problems when trying to install tor? |
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| 01:14.26 | `Assassin | *on Debian Squeeze |
| 01:14.47 | WaterRatj | How do i change my defauly keyboard map for the gdm screen and login session? |
| 01:14.50 | dvs | orion_X11: change testing to squeeze RIGHT NOW |
| 01:16.23 | orion_X11 | dvs, And what about the new testing? What will be the new testing name? |
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| 01:16.54 | dvs | orion_X11: Do you want to stick with the new stable or stay with testing? |
| 01:17.16 | orion_X11 | dvs, to stick with testing |
| 01:17.26 | dvs | orion_X11: oh, then leave it as testing |
| 01:17.47 | orion_X11 | thx |
| 01:18.00 | WaterRatj | tried reconfigure console-data but still querty |
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| 01:18.57 | JordiGH | anyone else excited over this weekend? |
| 01:19.48 | dvs | why? what's happening? ;-) |
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| 01:20.43 | nevyn | squeeze |
| 01:20.46 | nevyn | in theory. |
| 01:20.52 | nevyn | assuming it's not delayed again. |
| 01:21.03 | nevyn | is hoping for delay. |
| 01:21.15 | JordiGH | When an actual release date is announced, I haven't seen it get pushed back. |
| 01:21.16 | nevyn | I'm not a big fan of releases. |
| 01:21.27 | JordiGH | But I got started in woody. |
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| 01:21.35 | nevyn | things tend to get stupid in sid after releases. |
| 01:22.07 | JordiGH | Things are always supposed to be stupid in sid, despite what Raphaël Hertzog says. |
| 01:22.29 | nevyn | there's stupid blah won't install because of blah. |
| 01:22.36 | nevyn | and there's omg everything's on fire. |
| 01:22.51 | nevyn | I expect the former in sid all the time. |
| 01:23.03 | nevyn | the latter is annoying. |
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| 01:25.09 | RainbowW | so. i'm looking for a debian-supported pci (pci-pci, not pci-e) esata card that supports port multipliers. speed isn't the primary factor, the interface and port multiplier support is. any suggestions? does such a thing exist? |
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| 01:31.12 | sorressean | what package is dig in? |
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| 01:31.56 | RainbowW | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=dig&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 01:32.06 | sorressean | ... |
| 01:32.20 | sorressean | thanks for the long ass url? it really was a simple question though. |
| 01:33.21 | RainbowW | but if you're intelligent (which your response indicates you are not), you would learn from the URL that there's a utility, on the debian website, that would answer this and other similar future questions. |
| 01:33.37 | RainbowW | instead you just bitch about a long URL. |
| 01:33.44 | sorressean | RainbowW: lmfao. you're an idiot |
| 01:33.46 | themill | dpkg: tell sorressean about apt-file |
| 01:34.13 | themill | sorressean: we expect people to want to learn. |
| 01:34.32 | sorressean | themill: thanks. that's better than having to query a site. |
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| 01:35.09 | RainbowW | sorressean, google "how to ask smart questions" and hit "i'm feeling lucky." it might help you get more out of your interactions here. |
| 01:35.36 | sorressean | themill: I use the terminal a lot, so some smart-ass handing out a long URL didn't do much good. the apt-file is sweet though. thanks again. |
| 01:36.09 | themill | sorressean: perhaps you could try rephrasing your question rather than abusing the person who tried to help you then |
| 01:36.56 | sorressean | themill: sure, if he had provided any useful info. |
| 01:37.43 | RainbowW | if you had asked a smart question (see again, how to ask smart questions, above) you might have gotten a more useful answer. |
| 01:37.58 | sorressean | RainbowW: you're an idiot. >.> |
| 01:38.01 | themill | sorressean: packages.d.o is a perfectly good way of finding the answer to you question. So is apt-file. It's just that you had an unstated preference for something command line over a web browser. ESP over IRC is hard. |
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| 01:38.10 | themill | sorressean: enough with the name calling |
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| 01:38.47 | ilikecows | This is not the behaviour I expected from my first visit to the Debian IRC channel |
| 01:38.50 | ilikecows | -_- |
| 01:39.07 | RainbowW | ilikecows, infantalism is common here. |
| 01:39.32 | ilikecows | You handled it well |
| 01:39.46 | ilikecows | Kudos to you for not getting just as childish |
| 01:40.00 | RainbowW | some people are also offended when i tell them to google "how to ask smart questions," but it turns out that it's a very helpful articule. |
| 01:40.03 | RainbowW | article. |
| 01:40.18 | abrotman | such is life .. best not to dwell on it |
| 01:40.28 | ilikecows | I think people like to act brazen on the internet |
| 01:40.46 | ilikecows | But yes, life goes on |
| 01:41.03 | RainbowW | i dunno. they sometimes do that in person too. i just about had to box knife somebody in the throat at work (i work in retail, in a computer store) because he was being an ass. |
| 01:41.39 | RainbowW | no, i don't have motherboards for a socket 478 chip, and no, that AMD board in your hand won't work with the 478 chip you just fried with static electricity walking around on my carpet. |
| 01:41.49 | ilikecows | Heheh |
| 01:42.26 | ilikecows | I find it funny when people talk as if they know exactly what they're talking about, even though you know beyond doubt they have no clue |
| 01:42.40 | RainbowW | i had one dude today who wanted a serial ATA hard drive, but not SATA. |
| 01:43.00 | ilikecows | LOL |
| 01:43.03 | ilikecows | Well |
| 01:43.09 | ilikecows | I used to work Saturdays in a PC shop since I was 15 till 18 |
| 01:43.18 | ilikecows | I only left a few months back |
| 01:43.24 | Bushmills | static sensitive carpet in a retail store, selling chips? |
| 01:43.35 | ilikecows | I laughed when I say people with Limewire, Frostwire AND Bearshare on the one computer |
| 01:43.36 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic |
| 01:43.40 | ilikecows | *saw |
| 01:43.58 | RainbowW | Bushmills, we do not sell bare chips. everything we sell is in electrostatic packaging, and we do not support/permit working on your machine in the store. :) |
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| 01:53.03 | wooden | I've still got the Amazon MP3 downloader app installed from when I was running Lenny. Now dist-upgrade'd to Squeeze and for some reason Amazon downloading doesn't work. It always prompts me to install amazonmp3. Anyone else find a quick way around this? |
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| 01:58.03 | abrotman | what prompts you? |
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| 02:00.46 | wooden | Amazon.com, when I try to download MP3s. It acts as though the mime type doesn't exist in Firefox and isn't assigned to be handled by my installed amazonmp3, even though it does and is, respectively. |
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| 02:01.31 | abrotman | in firefox? or iceweasel? |
| 02:02.17 | wooden | There are loads of blog posts about getting amazonmp3 installed under Squeeze. I already had it installed under Lenny, so it still works. |
| 02:02.28 | wooden | Firefox, admittedly, but I'll try Iceweasel. |
| 02:03.03 | abrotman | it has some pretty specific depends |
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| 02:05.02 | wooden | I can run it from the command line. Looks like it's working. |
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| 02:37.31 | wooden | abrotman: There's actually a menu option in amazonmp3 to 'enable in browser'. This wasn't working because my /etc/alternatives links were busted (my fault). Everything working now. :) |
| 02:38.20 | abrotman | boo |
| 02:38.35 | wooden | Wherefore? |
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| 02:39.38 | abrotman | eh? |
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| 02:50.26 | Avalarion | Hey there, is it possible to undo an dist-upgrade? I want my old PHP Version back...^^ |
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| 02:56.13 | `Assassin | I'm unable to install tor through the Debian Squeeze repository for some reason. I thought it was an issue with my router, but I already eliminated that possibility. It's a problem unique to my configuration, because I just managed to install tor on another computer running Debian Squeeze. This is what happens why I try 'sudo aptitude install tor': http://pastebin.com/gYfE1CFH |
| 02:56.33 | `Assassin | Does anyone know why it does that? |
| 02:56.36 | Avalarion | -.- only a deprecated warning, all is ok now, thanks... |
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| 03:03.27 | SunDragon | does the debian project use a dvcs? |
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| 03:06.03 | `Assassin | I just had to manually bring up my lo device. Do I need to specify somewhere to bring it up on startup? |
| 03:06.50 | dvs | auto lo |
| 03:07.05 | dvs | in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 03:08.45 | `Assassin | dvs, one line should say auto lo? |
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| 03:09.17 | adb | dvs, it's the default |
| 03:09.37 | dvs | yeah |
| 03:10.01 | `Assassin | I only have one uncommented line in that file and it says 'auto lo'. |
| 03:10.52 | dvs | no "iface lo inet loopback"? |
| 03:11.01 | `Assassin | That's commented. |
| 03:11.08 | adb | by ? |
| 03:11.21 | dvs | shouldn't be |
| 03:11.29 | `Assassin | Is that how it is by default or is it that way because I screwed with this file a few months ago? |
| 03:11.53 | dvs | somebody changed it |
| 03:12.12 | Bushmills | maybe a debootstrapped system? |
| 03:12.16 | `Assassin | What happens when I uncomment that line? (I forgot why I commented it.) |
| 03:12.41 | dvs | loopback should work |
| 03:12.50 | dvs | again |
| 03:13.02 | `Assassin | What exactly was I doing... O_o |
| 03:15.23 | `Assassin | Well, Tor finally installed. Thanks guys. |
| 03:15.51 | dvs | np |
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| 03:23.58 | t3a | how do i configure a sound device? |
| 03:24.08 | abrotman | to do what |
| 03:24.16 | dvs | !alas checklist |
| 03:24.19 | t3a | play sounds |
| 03:24.22 | dvs | !alsa checklist |
| 03:24.23 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 03:26.28 | t3a | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
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| 03:30.16 | t3a | is this bad http://pastebin.com/9LQrnCE8 |
| 03:31.40 | dvs | t3a: what does "lspci -nn | grep -i audio" say? |
| 03:32.30 | t3a | http://pastebin.com/gnM0hzi6 |
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| 03:36.01 | dvs | t3a: does "lsmod | grep snd_hda" return anything? |
| 03:36.23 | t3a | nope |
| 03:36.24 | stew | t3a: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 03:36.43 | t3a | stew, > |
| 03:37.06 | stew | t3a: hit ctrl-c and try again |
| 03:37.18 | t3a | oops :p "2.6.26-2-amd64" |
| 03:37.27 | dvs | t3a: modprobe snd_hda_intel |
| 03:37.29 | t3a | i kept the first quote |
| 03:37.40 | stew | judd: pciid 8086:3b56 |
| 03:37.42 | judd | [8086:3b56] is '5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3b56 |
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| 03:38.12 | t3a | dvs, nothitng |
| 03:38.16 | t3a | *nothing |
| 03:38.17 | stew | t3a: its not supported in the lenny kernel you are running, you can use the backported kernel on backports.debian.org, or compile a newer alsa version against your kernel |
| 03:38.21 | dvs | ah, you need a newer kernel |
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| 03:38.35 | t3a | oh darn |
| 03:38.46 | stew | t3a: /msg dpkg bdo |
| 03:38.47 | t3a | is there a command to see what kernel im runnig |
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| 03:38.54 | stew | t3a: yes, "uname -r" |
| 03:39.21 | stew | judd: kernels |
| 03:39.21 | t3a | oh, i see. |
| 03:39.22 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.37-trunk-686 (2.6.37-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 03:39.34 | stew | t3a: the lenny-backports version will work |
| 03:39.37 | t3a | am I running an old kernel? Should I aptitude update? |
| 03:39.46 | stew | t3a: no, you are running a current kernel |
| 03:40.20 | t3a | oh, so i need an old version of the audio program to work with my chip? |
| 03:40.37 | stew | t3a: no, you need a newer kernel |
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| 03:40.59 | stew | (or to compile a newer also against your current kernel) |
| 03:41.00 | t3a | but you just said i have the kernel? |
| 03:41.13 | t3a | *current kernel |
| 03:41.38 | stew | t3a: your kernel is the current kernel for debian stable, so it is based on one which is >2 years old you need the one from lenny-backports |
| 03:41.55 | t3a | oh |
| 03:42.08 | stew | t3a: your > 2 year old kernel is too old even though it is the latest one in stable |
| 03:42.08 | t3a | or i could wait 4 days :p |
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| 03:42.23 | stew | or you can upgrade now. very little is going to change in the next 4 days |
| 03:42.43 | t3a | isnt squeeze supposed to be officially supported then? |
| 03:42.55 | stew | yes |
| 03:43.15 | t3a | and an update to squeeze would give me a new kernel correct? |
| 03:43.32 | dvs | not automatically |
| 03:43.38 | stew | t3a: yes |
| 03:43.55 | t3a | okay, thanks |
| 03:43.57 | stew | maybe automatically, but if you follow the upgrade instructions you'd be doing it explicitly |
| 03:44.22 | dvs | t3a: there are a number of step you have to do in order to upgrade to squeeze. The first one is to get the backported kernel |
| 03:44.33 | stew | no it isn't |
| 03:44.58 | stew | the upgrade instrucitons have you going from the lenny kernel to the squeeze kernel |
| 03:45.02 | t3a | no you just have to update the upgrade list |
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| 03:45.22 | stew | t3a: see chapter 4 of the squeeze release notes for the recommended procedure |
| 03:46.46 | dvs | t3a: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 03:48.52 | t3a | thanks for the help stew and dvs |
| 03:49.07 | dvs | np |
| 03:50.06 | stew | i don't know why "/msg dpkg new alsa" doesn't work for lenny it would be an easy solution |
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| 03:53.37 | [gnubie] | waves |
| 03:53.50 | [gnubie] | what should be the correct value in the php.ini's sendmail_path directive if i don't have a sendmail? my system has mailx/nail that sends mail to gmail's smtp server. please advice. thank you. ;) |
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| 03:58.12 | abrotman | [gnubie]: most MTAs still install a /usr/lib/sendmail IIRC |
| 03:58.28 | [gnubie] | abrotman: i don't have an mta |
| 03:58.45 | abrotman | totally missed that |
| 03:59.06 | stew | [gnubie]: then it sounds like there is no correct value for sendmail_path |
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| 03:59.23 | [gnubie] | for now on what i did was i created a symbolic links to /usr/lib/sendmail and /usr/sbin/sendmail to /usr/bin/mailx |
| 03:59.35 | stew | [gnubie]: i'd recommend installing something like nullmailer or ssmptp to act as mta |
| 04:00.49 | [gnubie] | stew: ok then. i will try that. but before that, i found the smtp directive instead of sendmail_path as an option. i will try to test that one first.. |
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| 04:21.58 | CrazyGir | hiya! I have a pair of xen guests running debian, and I need to do some repair on one, so I added its vdi to the working vm |
| 04:22.31 | CrazyGir | trying to mount fails, and I believe because lvm is not liking that I cloned these vms: http://dpaste.org/5AUm/ |
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| 04:28.32 | CrazyGir | how do I get the lvm partitions from this nonwroking vm seen as a different lvm and mounted? |
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| 04:31.30 | kj4 | CrazyGir: get the VM working first |
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| 04:33.02 | umarzuki | hi, how do i reinstall grub from debian install cd when the root partition is in lvm group? |
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| 04:34.13 | CrazyGir | kj4: I need to work on the vdi directly |
| 04:34.39 | CrazyGir | my options are to either boot a livecd and work from the xen console, or mount the vdi on another vm |
| 04:35.02 | CrazyGir | the first option requires a better connection to the tubez and is not so possible atm |
| 04:37.05 | CrazyGir | kj4: is this not possible or something? |
| 04:40.04 | kj4 | CrazyGir: i dont know, sorry |
| 04:41.47 | Bridge| | hmm i did "apt-get install syslogd -b" and seemed to install syslogd, but i cant /etc/init.d/syslogd start |
| 04:41.53 | Bridge| | but all i get is: "-bash: /etc/init.d/syslogd: No such file or directory |
| 04:41.53 | Bridge| | " |
| 04:42.02 | CrazyGir | kj4: why did you suggest what you did then? |
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| 04:46.13 | jimmybgood | try sysklogd |
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| 04:47.59 | Bridge| | command not found |
| 04:48.38 | Bridge| | i guess by default debian uses rsyslogd, but the tutorial i'm following calls for sysklogd, so i'm kinds stuck at this point :-( |
| 04:51.35 | [gnubie] | waves.. gtg now.. thank you all.. ;) |
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| 04:52.06 | jimmybgood | Bridge|: what are you trying to do? just curious |
| 04:52.14 | Bridge| | DNS server |
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| 04:53.01 | jimmybgood | why can't you use sysklogd? |
| 04:53.14 | Bridge| | i'm trying to, hehe |
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| 04:53.36 | Bridge| | i guess i miss type syslogd instead of sysklogd a few mins ago |
| 04:54.03 | superlinux | hi. I have an error when I have just wanted to update to squeeze . "An error occurred while loading or saving configuration information for dpkg-preconfigure. Some of your configuration settings may not work properly." |
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| 04:55.00 | superlinux | I have a DBUS error as it says. but don't know what to do |
| 04:55.14 | Bridge| | jimmybgood: i've done, apt-get source sysklogd -b |
| 04:55.51 | Bridge| | and it installs but then i cant start it or find the /etc/init.d/sysklogd start |
| 04:55.51 | Bridge| | -bash: /etc/init.d/sysklogd: No such file or directory |
| 04:56.23 | superlinux | allo? |
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| 04:57.27 | jimmybgood | Bridge|: what do yuo get when you run 'dpkg -l sysklogd' |
| 04:58.26 | Bridge| | pm |
| 04:58.37 | Bridge| | sorry didnt want to flood chan |
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| 04:59.40 | jimmybgood | Bridge|: it's preferred that you use pastebin rather than pms, but the un at the beginning of the last line shows you don't have sysklogd installed |
| 04:59.57 | Bridge| | hmm |
| 05:00.40 | jimmybgood | Bridge|: why are you compiling rather than just installing the precompiled packages? |
| 05:01.02 | Bridge| | so do it with tact b? |
| 05:01.06 | Bridge| | without* |
| 05:01.59 | jimmybgood | Bridge|: sure and ask for the specific package rather than the virtual package 'apt-get install sysklogd' |
| 05:02.22 | Bridge| | ok its just like ubuntu :) |
| 05:02.30 | Bridge| | i'm new to debian, sorry |
| 05:02.43 | Bridge| | that i had to install it like i was doing per tutorial |
| 05:03.34 | superlinux | guys! I have a problem with dbus not responding to the update, and I don't know what to do, but I am now proceeding with the extraction of the packages. |
| 05:03.39 | Bridge| | that you jimmybgood, you've offically gotten me past my hurdle, i can see the file i need to edit now |
| 05:03.40 | Bridge| | ;) |
| 05:04.48 | superlinux | i donno if what I am doing is correct. |
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| 06:04.31 | Bridge| | anyone bind9 help, getting this error when setting up DNS Server: http://pastebin.com/dcM155EF |
| 06:05.49 | ham5 | nothing is on 953 or its blocked? |
| 06:06.19 | ham5 | netstat -tnl |
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| 06:06.59 | Bridge| | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:953 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 06:08.29 | Bridge| | i took out the last entryies, the zone entries and restarted bind9 (and it turns on fine) |
| 06:08.40 | Bridge| | dunno if that affects the outcome |
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| 06:09.33 | Bridge| | yea if bind9 was still in the failed/error state then the port isnt listed on netstat -tnl |
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| 06:37.44 | ice799 | Any debhelper/pdebuild people around? |
| 06:38.00 | ice799 | I am having this problem but I don't understand the response on the mailing list: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-mentors@lists.debian.org/msg62260.html |
| 06:38.21 | ice799 | I can log into the chroot and modify the file and save the modified chroot, i guess, but that doesnt appear to be what he is suggesting.. |
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| 06:54.51 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 06:54.59 | Bartzy | I have an LVM, from 4 different HDDs |
| 06:55.02 | Bartzy | a LVM* |
| 06:55.31 | Bartzy | it has XFS on top of it... Now the problem is it crashes when I stress the disks a bit |
| 06:55.42 | Bartzy | 3 times it said that /dev/sdf is the culprit |
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| 06:57.15 | Bartzy | and 1 time that /dev/sdd + /dev/sdf are unreadable (they just didn't exist) |
| 06:57.28 | Bartzy | When I restart, everything is fine... Then under load, it crashes... |
| 06:57.51 | Bartzy | I tested each HDD for bad sectors (the regular seagate check), all of them passed... |
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| 06:58.17 | KB1JWQ | Bartzy: smart say anything? |
| 06:58.32 | Bartzy | I wonder if there's any way I can further check this ? I tried replacing all the SATA cables, replacing the SATA controller (I have a PCI SATA controller) |
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| 06:59.03 | Bartzy | KB1JWQ: Well, I didn't run smartctl @ linux, but the seagate check (ran it from Hiren's boot cd) said it's checking SMART too and it didn't "trip" according to seagate... |
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| 07:03.51 | Bartzy | anyone ? |
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| 07:18.25 | gnude | hello, i want to set up a vpn with openvpn to connect 2 networks with debian, the server is debian lenny, the client is debian testing. from the client i can reach computer in the mainnetwork. i added the routes to the kernel routing list. but from the main-network i cannot ping the vpn-client. i only see [EHOSTUNREACH]: no route to host (error=113) |
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| 07:19.01 | ham5 | cool story |
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| 07:20.29 | anisfarhana | Hullo. |
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| 07:20.38 | gnude | hi |
| 07:20.44 | anisfarhana | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.tw.debian.org/debian-security/dists/lenny/updates/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found |
| 07:20.48 | anisfarhana | any advice for me ? |
| 07:21.02 | ham5 | different host |
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| 07:21.23 | gnude | i cant see it too. error 404 |
| 07:22.50 | miasma | what's the correct way to cross-compile a 64-bit kernel on 32-bit debian? |
| 07:23.30 | miasma | i found this piece of advice somewhere: ARCH="x86_64" make HOSTCC="gcc -m32" CC="gcc -m64" LD="ld -m elf_x86_64" --- but it doesn't give the 64-bit menu in menuconfig |
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| 07:26.09 | bugger | hi all - i've upgraded to squeeze, it's got gdm running at boot up and something is borken in the xorg config, so when gdm starts everything locks up and i can't ctrl alt backspace out of xorg |
| 07:26.19 | bugger | how can i stop gdm from starting when i can't get a terminal? |
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| 07:28.48 | anisfarhana | ham5: different host ? |
| 07:31.52 | gnude | bugger: strg+alt+f2 should open the terminal |
| 07:32.10 | bugger | gnude: yeah tried that |
| 07:32.21 | gnude | bugger: what happens? |
| 07:32.29 | bugger | nothing |
| 07:32.58 | jimmybgood | bugger: boot to single user mode then edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager to say "none" |
| 07:33.08 | jimmybgood | then reboot |
| 07:33.11 | bugger | i've figured it out |
| 07:33.21 | bugger | added text to the command line in grub |
| 07:35.03 | gnude | bugger: at the moment i had no idea more.... it is strange that strg+alt+f2 dont work. you normaly have 6 terminals with who you can work.... |
| 07:35.49 | miasma | bugger: you have a ati graphics chip? |
| 07:35.54 | bugger | gnude: yeah i'm into the xorg.log now and the r128 driver is doing something very nasty |
| 07:35.59 | bugger | miasma: indeed |
| 07:36.03 | miasma | heh |
| 07:36.13 | miasma | so the computer might hang because of buggy ati drivers |
| 07:36.33 | bugger | it looks like it's not hanging because if i press the power button it shuts itself down nicely |
| 07:36.39 | miasma | okay |
| 07:36.44 | bugger | but yeah can't get the screen back to anything |
| 07:37.02 | miasma | probably buggy gpu drivers in any case |
| 07:37.05 | bugger | yup |
| 07:37.09 | bugger | is there a workaround? |
| 07:37.19 | miasma | i bought a nvidia card, but ymmv |
| 07:37.27 | bugger | lol i'm on a laptop |
| 07:37.49 | bugger | so yeah what i've got is what i've got |
| 07:38.00 | miasma | yep :P |
| 07:38.30 | miasma | well, what you can try is different versions of ati/vesa drivers |
| 07:38.34 | miasma | some of them might work |
| 07:39.04 | bugger | might try the fglrx |
| 07:39.06 | bugger | one |
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| 07:45.58 | gnude | what about the vesa driver? |
| 07:46.21 | gnude | i had a nvidia onboard graphic card and must edit my xorg.conf manual, because the defaults make no output. |
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| 07:49.05 | bugger | ah got it working |
| 07:49.10 | bugger | loaded the non-free firmware |
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| 07:51.59 | bugger | still got my original problem before i upgraded, xdebconfigurator and dexconf are making a config that is default and only gets me up in 800x600 |
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| 07:59.57 | bugger | can anyone suggest to me why xorg might be ignoring it's config file? |
| 08:00.20 | bugger | oh it's using a .d directory grrr |
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| 08:03.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
| 08:03.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am trying to figure out how to backup my network servers.. now the file are own by root and i cant change that.. |
| 08:04.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | i want to backup my files to the remote share on my server, but i have to run the backup script as root to get the files since they are owned by root but i cant pu tthem on the directory unless my ad user does it. |
| 08:05.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | should i put the at as the Ad user? |
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| 08:08.19 | amoe | Eryn_1983_FL: copy them somewhere else first, chown them, then move them to the share? |
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| 08:08.28 | amoe | Eryn_1983_FL: assuming you have space |
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| 08:10.52 | hardcore | hi i have a question. is it similar if i use aptitude or apt-get? i don't want to use 2 DB or files where information is stored what i have done in the past. sometimes i use apt-get sometimes aptitude. |
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| 08:12.17 | Shadur | hardcore: They're both frontends for apt, which in turn uses dpkg |
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| 08:13.38 | hardcore | Shadur: okay. is there any doku available about that? in debian wiki maybe? |
| 08:15.34 | resmo | hardcore, have a look at the apt wiki page of wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Packaging_Tool |
| 08:15.51 | anisfarhana | Hello again. |
| 08:16.03 | anisfarhana | Is is possible to install mod-reqtimeout for apache in debian lenny ? |
| 08:16.08 | anisfarhana | I mean via apt-get |
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| 08:17.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | amoe ok |
| 08:19.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | well /var is my largest directory besides /home |
| 08:19.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | i think i will do it there ty |
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| 08:23.43 | amoe | Eryn_1983_FL: make sure you use "cp -a" to copy the permissions and such otherwise /etc will not be restorable |
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| 08:26.52 | joltcan | Eryn_1983_FL: I would like to recommend rsnapshot to you. It can both do local backups, as well as remote via different protocols, such as rsync over ssh and such |
| 08:26.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 08:27.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | well perhaps but everytime i use something compliate like rsnapshot or sync it screws up |
| 08:27.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | atleast this way its so simple i just copy the said file over and change permissionson it |
| 08:28.02 | joltcan | ok |
| 08:28.13 | resmo | anisfarhana, seems to be in the lenny backports apache2.2-common see http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/i386/apache2.2-common/filelist |
| 08:28.18 | joltcan | It's just that homegrown solutions tend to fail over time, and thats usually when bad stuff happens |
| 08:28.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | i think i figured it out though, going to copy from remote to server then have server place it in the proper folder |
| 08:28.51 | anisfarhana | hi resmo |
| 08:29.20 | anisfarhana | resmo: How to check whether i have or not http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/i386/apache2.2-common/filelist ? |
| 08:31.33 | resmo | anisfarhana, see http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ for installing backports |
| 08:31.55 | anisfarhana | resmo: i think i have that in my apt sources. |
| 08:32.11 | anisfarhana | resmo: deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ lenny-backports main contrib non-free |
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| 08:35.07 | resmo | anisfarhana, yeah, but the URL changed recently http://backports.debian.org/news/backports.org_moved_to_backports.debian.org/ |
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| 08:38.34 | anisfarhana | resmo: ok i changed the repo , is there a way to search it ? |
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| 08:43.07 | anisfarhana | resmo: from the apt-cache search apache2 , i don't see any mod-reqtimeout |
| 08:44.33 | resmo | anisfarhana, IMHO it is in apache2.2-common integrated |
| 08:44.37 | sep | Eryn_1983_FL, try backuppc ! |
| 08:45.34 | anisfarhana | resmo: you mean i need to apt-get install apache2.2-common ? |
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| 08:51.01 | resmo | anisfarhana, apt-get -t lenny-backports install apache2.2, but I would test it on a non productive system first... |
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| 08:51.58 | anisfarhana | Why i need to install apache2.2 ? |
| 08:52.00 | Jckf | Is there a tool I can use that will generate rrd graphs showing CPU load and memory usage over a period of time? |
| 08:52.03 | anisfarhana | I already have apache 2.2 ? |
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| 08:53.03 | resmo | anisfarhana, but not the one from backports I guess |
| 08:53.12 | resmo | compare with http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/apache2 |
| 08:53.22 | resmo | and it must be apt-get -t lenny-backports install apache2 |
| 08:54.11 | resmo | anisfarhana, do a apt-cache show apache2 |
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| 08:54.55 | resmo | anisfarhana, lenny has Version: 2.2.9-10+lenny9 backports apache2 (2.2.16-4~bpo50+1) |
| 08:55.22 | anisfarhana | im installing the apt-get -t lenny-backports install apache2 |
| 08:56.04 | frikinz | Jckf: munin, cricket, .. |
| 08:56.38 | resmo | Jckf, there are many, |
| 08:57.36 | Jckf | I only want those two graphs if possible, so nothing fancy. I'll have a look at those, frikinz |
| 08:57.45 | resmo | Jckf, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_network_monitoring_systems |
| 09:00.21 | frikinz | Jckf: install munin-node, take also munin, remove all links in /etc/munin/plugins but keep load, memory etc.. then restart munin-node, wait 5mn, check png in /var/www/munin/.. |
| 09:02.30 | Jckf | Thanks, frikinz =) |
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| 09:07.27 | anisfarhana | resmo: it works!! |
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| 09:10.01 | resmo | anisfarhana, Horray! :) |
| 09:10.31 | anisfarhana | resmo: thank you :) apache2 from the backports is really different compare to stock one. |
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| 09:30.19 | x0b | so if i used aptitude to install a package, how do i pass configuration parameters to the config script? |
| 09:30.32 | x0b | s/i used/im using |
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| 09:34.12 | ali3n0 | hi guys. what's the package to check md5sums of installed packages? |
| 09:34.28 | sep | x0b, you can preseed debconf if that's what you mean |
| 09:34.36 | ali3n0 | pretty sure I got a pwned Lenny here :( |
| 09:34.39 | sep | or you can configure afterwards with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 09:37.33 | x0b | sep: i want to pass ./configure --with-gd parameter to php5 (which is already installed) |
| 09:37.36 | x0b | so..? |
| 09:38.36 | sep | x0b, whynot just install php5-gd |
| 09:38.43 | x0b | already have |
| 09:39.34 | ali3n0 | how can I check checksums for installed packages? |
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| 09:40.36 | sep | x0b, I think you are doing something else that is wrong.. since it works for the rest of the world. but if you insist on rebuilding teh debian package. you can read about it at ; http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/20 |
| 09:41.17 | themill | dpkg: tell ali3n0 about debsums |
| 09:41.38 | sep | x0b, if you asked about the actual problem, instead of asking about what your imagined solution, you would probably get better help |
| 09:42.02 | ali3n0 | tnx themill |
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| 09:42.20 | ethanol | sep: php5-gd is not the same as php5 with gd compiled in |
| 09:42.33 | ethanol | this has been a thorn in the eyes of many php & debian users for a while now |
| 09:42.50 | themill | ali3n0: but note that you need to boot off trusted media for this to be sensible. You can't trust anything that the box tells you at this point. |
| 09:43.18 | sep | ethanol, amazing i have not faced this. but i only host a few hundred sites |
| 09:43.27 | ali3n0 | themill I just installed debsums via aptitude, but well you're right |
| 09:43.54 | ethanol | sep: there is a bunch of image related functions in php what will only work when php5 has been compiled with gd. php5-gd does not support these |
| 09:44.00 | sep | x0b, my bad, but that url i pasted will show you the steps needed to rebuild. edit the config where it fits |
| 09:44.04 | ethanol | different gd branches or something I believe |
| 09:44.21 | ethanol | the people of php added these functions, but they have not been merged upstream |
| 09:44.28 | sep | ethanol, bug# ? so i can read about it ? |
| 09:44.31 | themill | ethanol: more like php developers have forked gd and not quite managed to get around to pushing them upstream. 5 years later. |
| 09:44.39 | ethanol | themill: hence my last remark |
| 09:45.08 | themill | sep: presume this is in the bts somewhere... but it's a well known problem unfortunately. |
| 09:45.11 | ethanol | it's their slacking :P |
| 09:45.19 | ethanol | but we suffer :( |
| 09:45.50 | themill | ethanol: last I looked, the gd upstream basically said "eww" to a lot of the proposed changes. |
| 09:46.21 | themill | !dbugs 321237 |
| 09:46.26 | dpkg | #321237:W[php5-gd] php5-gd: not using gd bundled with php5 (wontfix); Thu, 04 Aug 2005 10:18:04 UTC [] |
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| 09:50.21 | themill | (note that this appears to be fixed in php 5.3 which is in squeeze) |
| 09:52.13 | sep | sounds quite amazing that libgd does not get the functions php added, if php effectivly have taken over libgd development. |
| 09:53.38 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.52 | sep | x0b, this explains things step by step for debian and ubuntu http://www.howtoforge.com/recompiling-php5-with-bundled-support-for-gd-on-ubuntu |
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| 09:58.30 | x0b | sep: well alirghty |
| 10:00.01 | sep | x0b, I'd recomend giving it a identical version number to the debian one +1 or something. so that when debian updates it's version number. you will notice debian php want to replace your php, and you will know you need to rebuild for security patches. ; or just read the security announcements if you dont want to accidentaly replace your php when security updates php |
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| 10:04.22 | x0b | my lip and my dip |
| 10:06.06 | jelly | themill: it's only partially fixed, if you take a look at the pages linked in the report or nearby; some functions are still missing |
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| 10:09.40 | knubbze | hi, I have a problem, my aptitude is constantly complaining about grub-pc trying to install itself, whenever I do something (i.e. install a package) etc. |
| 10:09.42 | knubbze | but then it |
| 10:09.47 | knubbze | Setting up grub-pc (1.98+20100804-13) ... |
| 10:09.48 | knubbze | Killed |
| 10:09.48 | knubbze | does this |
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| 10:10.10 | knubbze | how to resolve? |
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| 10:20.03 | ShishKabab | Is there some way I can let a user execute a specific command as another user without a password? |
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| 10:20.57 | Bushmills | ShishKabab: suid bit, and file ownership |
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| 10:22.57 | ShishKabab | Bushmills: Good idea. Thank you! |
| 10:23.04 | Bushmills | knubbze: what happens when you specifically install grub alone? |
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| 10:24.04 | knubbze | the same |
| 10:24.27 | Bushmills | and after, grub is not installed? |
| 10:25.36 | knubbze | aye |
| 10:25.48 | knubbze | so at the moment I am working on a server that is online, with no boot manager installed anymore |
| 10:25.56 | knubbze | which means if there is a reboot or anything the server won't come back |
| 10:25.57 | knubbze | hummm |
| 10:26.29 | Bushmills | thus there's also no grub-install command on your box? |
| 10:26.45 | knubbze | I just did install grub-legacy package, however the command yields this: |
| 10:26.45 | knubbze | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.45 | knubbze | Killed |
| 10:26.56 | knubbze | what is wrong here |
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| 10:28.15 | Bushmills | unlikely to be related to the problem, but - installing grub to partition boot sector instead of MBR is done on purpose? |
| 10:28.41 | knubbze | aye |
| 10:29.03 | Bushmills | is the result the same when trying to install to any other partition? |
| 10:29.10 | Bushmills | or drive, for that matter |
| 10:29.12 | knubbze | I would rather not |
| 10:29.29 | knubbze | grub-install just instantly kills (itself?) when I call it |
| 10:30.00 | knubbze | content of /boot/grub is just one empty file called device.map |
| 10:30.02 | Bushmills | where does grub-install come from if the package is not installed? |
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| 10:30.11 | knubbze | 11:25:40 < knubbze> I just did install grub-legacy package, however the command yields this: |
| 10:30.15 | knubbze | I installed grub-legacy |
| 10:30.22 | frikinz | --root-directory=/ that looks strange |
| 10:31.13 | knubbze | I will remove grub-legacy and just install grub-pc again, wait for aptitude to fail and then report back |
| 10:31.45 | knubbze | /var/lib/dpkg/info/grub-pc.postinst: line 270: 4440 Killed grub-mkdevicemap --no-floppy |
| 10:32.25 | knubbze | okay so now I will try to run grub-install again |
| 10:33.10 | Bushmills | is there a /boot directory on your / ? |
| 10:33.23 | knubbze | okay so this is the layout right now, I am on a production server, with the boot partition (/dev/sda1) mounted on /boot |
| 10:33.31 | knubbze | the grub package is installed, what would I do now? |
| 10:33.52 | knubbze | Bushmills: yes |
| 10:33.53 | Bushmills | grub-install /dev/sda1 |
| 10:34.15 | knubbze | Killed |
| 10:34.17 | knubbze | zsh: exit 1 |
| 10:34.36 | knubbze | let me strace this |
| 10:34.51 | Bushmills | earlier error message seems to indicate that grub-mkdevicemap is the culprit |
| 10:35.05 | knubbze | write(1, "Auto-detection of a filesystem o"..., 52Auto-detection of a filesystem of /dev/sda1 failed. |
| 10:35.05 | knubbze | wa |
| 10:35.32 | knubbze | okay /boot/grub is full of things now |
| 10:35.41 | Bushmills | what file system is on sda1? |
| 10:36.37 | knubbze | 83/Linux, it's formatted as ext2 |
| 10:36.39 | jelly | knubbze: are you using a nondefault kernel? What does uname -r say? |
| 10:36.51 | knubbze | using: 2.6.36-grsec |
| 10:36.58 | jelly | there's your problem |
| 10:37.06 | knubbze | grsec fucks up grub? |
| 10:37.17 | jelly | grsecurity kills processes that act suspiciously, yes |
| 10:37.26 | knubbze | how would I work around this |
| 10:37.33 | jelly | knubbze: we had to chpax -m /usr/sbin/grub |
| 10:38.21 | knubbze | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:38.23 | knubbze | file /usr/sbin/grub-install is not a valid ELF executable |
| 10:38.25 | knubbze | you've got to be kidding me |
| 10:38.26 | jelly | knubbze: identify which security feature gets which process killed, and use the chpax tool to disable relevant grsecurity / PaX checks |
| 10:38.45 | jelly | knubbze: read dmesg, see which process gets killed |
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| 10:39.10 | knubbze | [4160080.296164] grsec: From 89.13.52.252: denied resource overstep by requesting 4096 for RLIMIT_CORE against limit 0 for /usr/sbin/grub-mkdevicemap[grub-mkdevicema:4560] uid/euid:0/0 gid/egid:0/0, parent /usr/sbin/grub-install[grub-install:4526] uid/euid:0/0 gid/egid:0/0 |
| 10:39.11 | knubbze | this one? |
| 10:39.12 | jelly | it's not the grub-install script. It's something called from it. |
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| 10:39.33 | Gijs | Hello people, i got a problem with FTP but it is more #debian related. |
| 10:39.36 | jelly | knubbze: it seems to be /usr/sbin/grub-mkdevicemap |
| 10:39.58 | knubbze | okay sec |
| 10:40.06 | jelly | read more context, I don't think that's a fatal message. |
| 10:40.43 | Gijs | in my ftp log: "USER ftptester (Login failed): Invalid shell: '/bin/false/'" i added this user: "sudo useradd ftptester -p ABOcSzGIj.mSg -d /home/ftptester -s /bin/false" |
| 10:41.35 | jelly | Gijs: this is obvious, but, are you positive you didn't put /bin/false/ there by accident |
| 10:41.36 | knubbze | aye, after allowin grub-mkdevicemap to do it's thing it's terminating task: /usr/sbin/grub-probe(grub-probe):6089, uid/euid: 0/0, PC: 000003c15281694c, SP: 000003c152816688 |
| 10:41.43 | knubbze | so I'll do the same with grubprobe |
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| 10:42.31 | jelly | knubbze: it's usually either -s or -m protection that needs to be disabled |
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| 10:42.57 | knubbze | yeah probably, I am currently resorting to just disabling any protection on any grub process that fails, successively |
| 10:43.31 | knubbze | /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Attempting to install GRUB to a partition instead of the MBR. This is a BAD idea.. |
| 10:43.32 | knubbze | oh |
| 10:43.53 | knubbze | god when I was in the DRAC this was a lot easier |
| 10:44.16 | knubbze | this seems like trying to build a window into an already existing wall whilst standing inside the house |
| 10:44.32 | knubbze | if /dev/sda1 is my boot partition, why would I not want to install grub into said partition? |
| 10:44.47 | jelly | you want to install it onto the whole disk instead |
| 10:44.54 | knubbze | ok |
| 10:45.04 | knubbze | grub-install /dev/sda |
| 10:45.04 | knubbze | Installation finished. No error reported. |
| 10:45.06 | knubbze | lol |
| 10:45.27 | knubbze | is it lying? |
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| 10:45.34 | knubbze | how would I verify that this worked |
| 10:45.42 | jelly | reboot and see the machine boot |
| 10:46.27 | jelly | having console access helps |
| 10:46.30 | knubbze | isn't there some configuration that needs to be done? |
| 10:46.53 | jelly | I presumed you've already done that. |
| 10:47.25 | jelly | typically you run update-grub and let it autodetect and generate /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 10:47.30 | knubbze | aye I have, it's just weird that grub.cfg is empty |
| 10:47.38 | knubbze | oh wait, I didn't use my backup hagn on |
| 10:48.02 | knubbze | menuentry 'Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 2.6.36-grsec-icarus |
| 10:48.03 | knubbze | cool |
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| 10:48.41 | knubbze | jelly: ty for pointing me into the right direction with PaX |
| 10:49.09 | knubbze | imho grsec should post a message right into the console that was associated with the process rather than just kill it and put something into dmesg |
| 10:49.17 | Gijs | jelly, i did put there /bin/false |
| 10:50.14 | jelly | knubbze: you got the message that a process got SIGKILL. |
| 10:50.41 | knubbze | yeah but that could come from anywhere |
| 10:51.21 | knubbze | i can remember what a hassle it was to get sun-java to run correctly with PaX active |
| 10:51.41 | jelly | hassle? You need to chpax -ms it, afair |
| 10:51.56 | jelly | it's only hassle the first time ;-) |
| 10:52.07 | knubbze | yes, now that I know it I am aware of that |
| 10:52.27 | knubbze | but until somebody told me to just paxctl (1) it, I spent 3 days in rage and frustration |
| 10:52.30 | Jckf | How can I drop all packets from a defined IP range? |
| 10:52.38 | knubbze | Jckf: use netfilter / iptables |
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| 10:52.43 | oxman | Hi |
| 10:53.01 | Jckf | knubbze: Yes, but how. I don't understand any of those, and I've been trying for years (literally) |
| 10:53.09 | jelly | knubbze: they should have told you to check dmesg and then do the paxctl dance <g> |
| 10:53.15 | knubbze | iptables -A INPUT -s <range> -j DROP for example |
| 10:53.19 | oxman | What's the most clean way to have a git version >= 1.6.2 (gitolite ask that) on a debian stable ? |
| 10:53.46 | knubbze | Jckf: e.g.: iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.0.0/24 -j DROP |
| 10:54.38 | Gijs | jelly? |
| 10:54.45 | knubbze | you can use iptables-save and iptables-restore to save iptables configurations and use your post-if config in /etc/network/interfaces to load them |
| 10:54.58 | jelly | Gijs: I have no further idea/comment |
| 10:54.59 | tdn | I am trying to make a .deb package create some folders. This is easily done by mkdir -p $(DESTDIR)/etc/metaconfig/res from the Makefile. However, I need do be able to set permissions and owners for the folders. How do I do this? |
| 10:54.59 | knubbze | or just put a sh (1) script that executes the whole bunch of iptables config into init |
| 10:55.17 | Jckf | Thanks alot, knubbze =) |
| 10:55.26 | knubbze | that's what I do, because I don't trust iptables-{save,restore} (8) |
| 10:55.56 | knubbze | Jckf: would you like my iptables.sh to see how you can use it? |
| 10:56.26 | Jckf | knubbze: No thanks. I don't need this rule to stick over restarts |
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| 10:56.38 | knubbze | ok |
| 10:57.41 | tdn | Should I ask in #debian-devel for info about how to create .deb packages? I see that the channel is invite only. |
| 10:57.41 | knubbze | # wc -l /etc/iptables{,.ssh}.sh | tail -n1 440 total |
| 10:57.46 | knubbze | god I should really clean those up |
| 10:57.49 | tdn | How to get an invite? |
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| 11:01.24 | Gijs | Can anybody else help me? |
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| 11:03.18 | Bushmills | lawyer? medical care? |
| 11:03.31 | Jckf | Gijs: Ask the support people for your FTPd |
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| 11:04.09 | jelly | dpkg, tell tdn about mentors |
| 11:04.31 | jelly | tdn: note the different irc network, OFTC |
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| 11:05.23 | jelly | (I mean irc.debian.org = irc.oftc.net, and not this freenode network you're now on) |
| 11:05.57 | tdn | jelly, ok. |
| 11:06.07 | oxman | Any idea about my problem mentionned 11mn ago ? |
| 11:06.50 | scoobertron | any ideas why backing up my root dir using rsync would cause my window manager (awesome) to be unresponsive? |
| 11:07.13 | scoobertron | cpu load is minimal and it is currently just backing up /var/cache |
| 11:07.17 | tdn | jelly, but I don't think I need a mentor as I am not currently trying to maintain an official debian package. This is just for internal use. And I would just like to specify ownership and perms of a folder. I cannot find this in Debian Policy Manual. |
| 11:07.20 | scoobertron | virtual terminals work fine |
| 11:09.21 | tdn | I am trying to use apt-file to find out which package creates /etc/shadow, but I can't find it. |
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| 11:15.22 | zaarg | anyone else find the puppet user/group provider for debian lenny is horribly broken? |
| 11:15.35 | zaarg | it relies upon the existence of groupmod, which does not exist in lenny |
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| 11:17.29 | jelly | tdn: it's a good channel to ask for help with packaging |
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| 11:28.23 | tdn | jelly, ok. |
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| 11:29.03 | jelly | tdn: as for shadow, it's likely managed by the passwd package |
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| 11:30.14 | tdn | jelly, ok. I just wanted to see how they made this file 0700. |
| 11:30.31 | tdn | Well.. 0640 :) |
| 11:30.39 | Avalarion | hey there, how do I install php 5.2.17 if I installed php 5.3.* yesterday? |
| 11:33.28 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 11:33.32 | jelly | tdn: since most of the packages in the distro use dynamically generated users and groups, most of the necessary chown/chgrping is done in postinst scripts after having made sure the relevant users/groups exist |
| 11:33.38 | Bartzy | Any reason to use something other than the defaults in mkfs.xfs ? |
| 11:33.44 | tdn | jelly, ok. |
| 11:34.15 | jelly | tdn: eg. slapd postinst changes /etc/ldap/slapd.conf to root:openldap, mode 0640 |
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| 11:36.35 | tdn | jelly, I will take a look at that then. Thank you. |
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| 12:05.56 | Avalarion | Is no one able to help me with that? |
| 12:05.56 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 12:06.21 | Avalarion | ~ $ apt-get install php5 |
| 12:06.21 | Avalarion | Entpacke php5 (aus .../php5_5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9_all.deb) ... |
| 12:06.21 | Avalarion | Richte php5 ein (5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9) ... |
| 12:06.21 | Avalarion | ~ $ php -v |
| 12:06.21 | Avalarion | PHP 5.3.5-0.dotdeb.0 with Suhosin-Patch (cli) (built: Jan 7 2011 01:47:26) |
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| 12:06.26 | Agiofws | since upgrading to squeeze i can't mount my sd cards what package am i missing ? |
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| 12:06.34 | Agiofws | mmc0: new high speed SDHC card at address 88f7 |
| 12:06.36 | Agiofws | mmcblk0: mmc0:88f7 SU04G 3.69 GiB |
| 12:06.51 | coops89 | can I set up users/groups so that a user becomes the "root" of a group and can delete the other users files in that group disregarding permissions? |
| 12:06.59 | ali3n0 | Avalarion, use http://paste.debian.net |
| 12:07.12 | babilen | !tell Avalarion about localized errors |
| 12:07.29 | miasma | Agiofws: apparently you have an internal sd reader? e.g. a laptop |
| 12:07.33 | coops89 | I want a permission hierarchy... |
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| 12:07.44 | coops89 | or rather, I need one. |
| 12:07.48 | Agiofws | miasma, i do , exactly |
| 12:07.48 | Avalarion | ali3n0: I could have explainted it also in a sentence... |
| 12:07.57 | themill | Avalarion: you need to decide if you are using debian or ubuntu and only ask in the correct channel though. |
| 12:07.57 | tdn | Lines in sources.list are in the format "deb http://example.org/ stable main contrib" What are the different elements called? E.g. by what name should I refer to the 'stable' part? Or the 'main contrib' part? |
| 12:08.23 | miasma | Agiofws: in that case, i hope someone knows. i've only had readers connected via usb. seem to work with standard usb mass storage drivers |
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| 12:09.15 | themill | tdn: "man 5 sources.list" calls them "components". Policy §2.2 calls them "archive areas". |
| 12:09.19 | Agiofws | miasma, this worked before upgrading is i assume i am missing something |
| 12:09.35 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/135738 |
| 12:09.38 | miasma | Agiofws: yea, probably the kernel driver. or filesystem drivers |
| 12:09.41 | themill | tdn: btw, don't use "stable" in your sources.list. /msg dpkg stable sources.list |
| 12:10.03 | Avalarion | I installed php 5.3 yesterday on my Lenny... I removed the source where it came from, removed it, installed it and it is still 5.3... But friends of mine have to many problems with that, so I need 5.2 back... If I am installing php5, he is unpacking 5.2, if i want to get the version of the installed version it is still 5.3 |
| 12:10.08 | Agiofws | ok this worked |
| 12:10.16 | Agiofws | mount -t vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/cdrom |
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| 12:10.35 | Agiofws | now how do i get my card to mount automatically once inserted ? |
| 12:10.43 | themill | Avalarion: you need to get rid of all the dotdeb crap to start with; "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" (back up your config files and then rework in your customisation by hand) |
| 12:10.47 | tdn | themill, ok. main and contrib are components? But what is "stable" or "lenny" then? |
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| 12:10.54 | miasma | Agiofws: depends on your desktop |
| 12:11.04 | Agiofws | xfce |
| 12:11.12 | Agiofws | hello themill |
| 12:11.15 | miasma | Agiofws: use thunar's setup |
| 12:11.23 | themill | tdn: either "distributions" or "releases" |
| 12:11.29 | tdn | themill, ok. Thanks. |
| 12:11.35 | miasma | I also have a SD card related question. I recently upgraded my mobo to a intel g41/ich7 chipset. seems to load 'ehci_hcd' and 'uhci_hcd' just fine according to lsmod. but i'm getting "usb 5-2: not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub". don't have any hubs installed |
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| 12:11.58 | Agiofws | setup thunars to auto mount ? my sd ? |
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| 12:12.25 | tdn | themill, what about the 'deb' or 'deb-src' part? |
| 12:12.30 | tdn | themill, source type? |
| 12:12.34 | Avalarion | themill is ~V also available for apt-get? I don't have aptitude installed yet |
| 12:12.36 | miasma | Agiofws: can't remember the exact command, but thunar has a "control panel" for configuring the automounter |
| 12:12.40 | Agiofws | is this a debian issue or a Gui issue ? |
| 12:13.22 | themill | tdn: I don't recall seeing a name for that bit. See man 5 sources.list. |
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| 12:13.33 | themill | Avalarion: no. |
| 12:13.48 | tdn | themill, ok. |
| 12:14.03 | Avalarion | If I'll install aptitude he will take notice of all packages apt-get installed? |
| 12:14.13 | stew | Avalarion: yes |
| 12:14.32 | oxman | What's the most clean way to have a git version >= 1.6.2 (gitolite ask that) on a debian stable ? |
| 12:14.43 | stew | oxman: /msg dpkg bdo |
| 12:14.54 | themill | ,versions git --release lenny-backports |
| 12:14.55 | judd | Package git on i386 -- lenny-backports: 1:1.7.1-1.1~bpo50+1 |
| 12:16.14 | Agiofws | does squeeze use udev ? |
| 12:16.19 | oxman | thanks |
| 12:16.27 | stew | Agiofws: yes |
| 12:16.30 | Agiofws | ok |
| 12:16.47 | CrazyThinker | My computer boots up and shows the wallpapers |
| 12:16.54 | CrazyThinker | no desktop icons, no awn, nothing |
| 12:17.41 | stew | Agiofws: you could perhaps get rid of it if you wanted, but not easily |
| 12:17.50 | CrazyThinker | How can I open nautilus? |
| 12:18.11 | Agiofws | then how will i be able to mount my sd card automatically ? |
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| 12:18.28 | stew | Agiofws: are you running a DE? |
| 12:18.41 | Agiofws | gui ? yes i am |
| 12:18.50 | stew | Agiofws: which? |
| 12:18.59 | Agiofws | xfce |
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| 12:19.18 | abrotman | eh .. i thought with X you could no longer remove udev |
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| 12:19.33 | stew | abrotman: he doesn't want to |
| 12:19.40 | stew | abrotman: i didn't know why he was asking about udev |
| 12:19.44 | abrotman | okay then ... |
| 12:19.58 | Agiofws | well it says here a method of automounting your sd card |
| 12:20.05 | Agiofws | http://wiki.debian.org/AutoFs |
| 12:20.06 | abrotman | says "here"? |
| 12:20.15 | babilen | Agiofws: 12:12 < miasma > Agiofws: can't remember the exact command, but thunar has a "control panel" for configuring the automounter ? |
| 12:22.03 | Agiofws | thuner in the preference options does not have an automount option |
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| 12:23.45 | miasma | Agiofws: iirc thunar has different kinds of options for launching apps when different media is inserted. e.g. digital cameras, cd/dvd, usb media |
| 12:24.29 | Agiofws | 1) do i use udev to automount sd cards or do i not ? |
| 12:25.46 | stew | Agiofws: although it is possible to use udev directly, i'd not advise it, there should be much easier ways. I would expect your DE to provide a way, but I'm not familiar enough with xfce to know |
| 12:26.05 | stew | i don't know what thunnar is or if it is the thing that comes with xfce to do this |
| 12:26.16 | miasma | stew: thunar is the xfce's file manager |
| 12:26.21 | miasma | and it uses udev afaik |
| 12:26.44 | stew | there are generic automounters such as halevt will are independent of any DE, but if you already have one via your DE, you should probably stick with that |
| 12:26.54 | themill | !thunar-volman |
| 12:26.54 | dpkg | thunar-volman is Thunar extension to enable automatic management of removable drives and other media. See also <thunar>. |
| 12:27.14 | themill | (that's the limit of my knowledge on the subject) |
| 12:27.20 | Agiofws | stew, its xfce'e file manager |
| 12:28.04 | miasma | Agiofws: this might also give some idea http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/11/msg00201.html |
| 12:28.12 | Agiofws | thunar-volman: Must specify the new HAL device UDI with --device-added. |
| 12:29.11 | Agiofws | thunar-volman is already installed |
| 12:29.19 | Agiofws | and its allready configured |
| 12:29.48 | miasma | Agiofws: did you find its configuration panel? you might ask in xfce's / xubuntu's channel about this |
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| 12:30.58 | miasma | Agiofws: http://thunar.xfce.org/images/removable-drives-and-media.png |
| 12:32.20 | Avalarion | themill: thank you :) It runs again |
| 12:32.25 | stew | miasma: he's not running xubuntu, he's running debian |
| 12:32.26 | Agiofws | still no icon on my DE |
| 12:32.57 | miasma | stew: does it matter? xfce is the default desktop in xubuntu. debian offers several desktops |
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| 12:34.38 | stew | miasma: yes, it matters. |
| 12:35.48 | themill | Avalarion: excellent. We usually don't like dotdeb packages because they always seem to cause problems. We also don't usually like mixing in any non-debian repos into debian systems as we have no way of controlling their quality at all and they are not necessarily as compatible as you might like. Think twice before going down that path! |
| 12:36.17 | miasma | stew: if that's some official debian's policy, you might be right. i just thought the people who use that application themselves have more experience than generic debian users |
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| 12:36.50 | babilen | What does this have to do with Xubuntu? |
| 12:37.11 | babilen | ah, i've seen it :) |
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| 12:39.46 | stew | miasma: he could try #xubuntu-offtopic ; he'd be offtopic in #xubuntu. for the same reasons we'd not support xubuntu in here (/msg dpkg based on debian) |
| 12:41.59 | frikinz | Automount.. interesting I need to have a script executed when mounting a usb stick. Without X window. I'll look at halevt. Probably put the script in an udev rule then |
| 12:42.40 | babilen | stew: Is halevt in better shape these days? |
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| 12:47.29 | miasma | stew: i understand that. i just find it silly that i'd have to ask him/her to join another channel, join there myself, wait till both are there and explain the same solution. it's not like this channel is flooding with off-topic atm. i'm not even paid to help |
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| 13:05.44 | michalxo | hello all! has anyone too experiencing problems with nvidia drivers after latest upgrades? |
| 13:06.14 | michalxo | I am getting in glxinfo this error: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". nvidia module is running though :-/ |
| 13:07.18 | michalxo | (installed via debian way using module-assistant |
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| 13:13.17 | Jckf | Is it possible to tunnel remote port X to local port Y via SSH? The idea is to connect from behind a firewall to my Debian box and tunnel port 8080 on Debian to port 80 on my workstation to allow access to my development env. |
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| 13:16.19 | SPF | !tell Jckf about ssh tunnel |
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| 13:17.33 | SPF | of course it is possible |
| 13:17.40 | korencia | Jckf do you search for the ready made solutions, or it is possible for you to script something for yourself? |
| 13:18.02 | Jckf | I was hoping it was just as simple as forwarding a local port to a remote one |
| 13:18.15 | rozie | Jckf: redir? |
| 13:18.36 | Jckf | Wuzzat? |
| 13:20.44 | abrotman | is there some dpkg-reconfigure magic to add partitions to blkid.tab? is that even the correct way? |
| 13:22.02 | jelly | just run blkid |
| 13:22.05 | Jckf | The workstation is a Windows computer, by the way |
| 13:22.16 | abrotman | That's it? it just adds it? okay then |
| 13:22.26 | jelly | abrotman: the tab file is just a cache |
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| 13:25.00 | abrotman | i see that |
| 13:25.30 | themill | .o0( shouldn't it be in /var/cache then? ) |
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| 13:28.40 | abrotman | well, it just seems /etc/fstab isn't used .. don't see it in the udev/rules.d/ |
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| 13:38.15 | abrotman | or i misread fstab |
| 13:38.18 | abrotman | !shoot me |
| 13:38.18 | dpkg | blows abrotman away with an Uzi |
| 13:38.25 | jelly | themill: don't even start! |
| 13:39.33 | jelly | on RHEL, /etc/blkid/blkid.tab is of some use at boot/mountall time. I'm not sure whether it serves any purpose in Debian |
| 13:40.45 | jelly | and I still have to file bugs about Debian's blkid/libblkid prefering generic /dev/dm-* instead of /dev/vg/lv or at least /dev/mapper/vg-lv |
| 13:41.35 | abrotman | the way they have the fstab formatted after moving to UUID is a bit hard to read |
| 13:41.37 | jelly | everything is mounted as /dev/dm-2 and /dev/dm-3 and one doesn't know which device that really is |
| 13:43.26 | jelly | abrotman: if you replace them with LABEL=, they get shorter |
| 13:44.05 | abrotman | oh, i know .. i'm not that concerned .. but the way they have it now is the old line, then the UUID line .. and it looks like one big jumble |
| 13:44.22 | jelly | it is. |
| 13:44.34 | abrotman | Probably would have been better to comment out the old lines, then a huge comment about UUID transition, then the new lines .. but oh well |
| 13:44.49 | jelly | should have, dunno, placed the old fstab in /var/backups/ |
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| 13:59.05 | bluesceada | hey is there any really good working open source virtual machine similar to virtualbox or vmware? |
| 13:59.35 | bluesceada | wait virtualbox is opensource, hmh |
| 13:59.51 | hid3 | oracle virtual box? |
| 14:00.03 | bluesceada | but there was something not quite free in it iirc |
| 14:00.09 | bluesceada | yeh |
| 14:00.15 | hid3 | who cares?! |
| 14:00.27 | jelly | bluesceada: kvm and virt-manager and virt-* as UI? |
| 14:00.43 | bluesceada | the kernel module is not just in mainline |
| 14:00.48 | jelly | virtualbox-ose is free enough to be in Debian. |
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| 14:00.52 | bluesceada | ok |
| 14:00.56 | jelly | judd: versions virtualbox-ose |
| 14:00.57 | judd | Package virtualbox-ose on i386 -- etch-backports: 1.6.6-dfsg-3~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.6.6-dfsg-3; lenny-backports: 3.2.4-dfsg-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.2.10-dfsg-1; sid: 4.0.2-dfsg-1 |
| 14:01.07 | bluesceada | then there were some plugins for the guest os or something ? hmh |
| 14:01.15 | bluesceada | which weren't quite free |
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| 14:02.13 | bluesceada | virt-viewer hmh |
| 14:02.31 | jelly | judd: info virtualbox-ose-guest-dkms |
| 14:02.33 | judd | No record of package 'virtualbox-ose-guest-dkms' in lenny/i386. |
| 14:02.37 | jelly | judd: info virtualbox-ose-guest-dkms --release sid |
| 14:02.39 | judd | Package virtualbox-ose-guest-dkms (kernel, optional) in sid/i386: x86 virtualization solution - guest addition module source for dkms. Version: 4.0.2-dfsg-1; Size: 517.4k; Installed: 3264k; Homepage: http://www.virtualbox.org/ |
| 14:02.39 | bluesceada | it should be something that works good with a guest X11 |
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| 14:03.40 | bluesceada | ok thanks i will try virtualbox i guess |
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| 14:09.19 | lapsusbrutus | bluesceada virtualbox is good, but try KVM if you want something badass. virtualbox is more like a toy in comparison imho |
| 14:10.01 | metalfan_ | why cant i tell the default cpuset on my system to onyl use cpu core0 and let me manage the others? mount -t cgroup cpuset -ocpuset /dev/cgroup && cd /dev/cgroup && echo 0 > cpusets.cpus i get permission denied. im root and rights are rw,r,r ? |
| 14:10.15 | bluesceada | lapsusbrutus: also useful for developing X11 apps in the virtual machine? |
| 14:12.01 | bluesceada | virtualbox seems to not really work, maybe because i have 32bit only userspace and a 64bit kernel:/ |
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| 14:13.24 | hid3 | you can't have that combination I think |
| 14:13.35 | bluesceada | works for everything else |
| 14:13.47 | hid3 | r u sure? |
| 14:13.50 | bluesceada | yes |
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| 14:15.56 | Trewas | metalfan_: are you sure that is supposed to work? the kernel docs for cgroups always create a new cgroup before changing (echoing) new settings |
| 14:16.11 | bluesceada | i guess i will switch to a full 64bit debian then |
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| 14:16.23 | lapsusbrutus | bluesceada: well you can output screen to vnc port. so you can run any OS that supports hardware. KVM is not plug and play like virtualbox.. virtualbox is great and easy, but I wouldnt run servers on it :) for server go for kvm :) |
| 14:16.50 | metalfan_ | Trewas, i know. and the example also worked. but i was looking for a way to tell the kernel not to use cores 1.2.3 - this seemed the right way |
| 14:16.54 | bluesceada | lapsusbrutus: ok so in my case virtualbox is the better choice |
| 14:17.17 | frikinz | virtual box 4 has been split. now extensions have license PUEL. Extensions like usb2.0 support, rdp, PXE boot,.. http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/VirtualBox_PUEL |
| 14:17.30 | bluesceada | hm |
| 14:17.35 | lapsusbrutus | yeah, probably:) |
| 14:18.16 | Trewas | metalfan_: yeah seems like it would be a nice way to do that, but maybe it just does work that way... I guess you could create a new cgroup with a limited cpuset and move all existing tasks there |
| 14:21.12 | metalfan_ | Trewas, a way to have all tasks appear in my group would also be nice |
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| 14:22.26 | metalfan_ | Trewas, a little script could watch for file changes. that would do the trick |
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| 14:23.33 | metalfan_ | Trewas, but just having a copy of tasks probably wont work either because then the tasks are in 2 different cgroups |
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| 14:25.39 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 14:26.41 | geekosopher | on any debian based system, which is the best way to search for package in the repositories already added to sources list? Personally, I do "apt-cache search <keyword> | grep <filter-if-any>". Is there any other way? |
| 14:27.12 | dkr | aptitude search |
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| 14:27.29 | geekosopher | mind you, I don't know the package name, and looking for one with the help of package descriptions |
| 14:27.32 | stew | geekosopher: aptitude has very robust searching ; there are also the grep-dctrl suite of tools, particularly grep-available or grep-aptavail |
| 14:27.40 | dkr | aptitude search ~dsomethingindescription |
| 14:28.03 | wooden | geekosopher: I do the same thing you do. |
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| 14:29.07 | geekosopher | hmm |
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| 14:31.39 | wooden | But I've wondered if there was a better way, too. ;) |
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| 14:32.06 | geekosopher | wooden: the problem I have faced with my way is that the keywords in package descriptions are not always the same, even if they are apparently meant to mean same. eg. some have "command line" others, "commandline" and others "command-line" |
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| 14:32.38 | stew | if all you are doing is searching in descriptions, apt-cache is going to do just fine. aptitude will let you filter results on lots of varied things like "search only in packages i currently have installed but not marked as automatically installed which depend on package: foo with bar in the description" |
| 14:32.42 | geekosopher | just giving the word "command" bloats the result |
| 14:32.58 | dkr | aptitude search \~dcommand.line |
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| 14:33.21 | stew | geekosopher: look at apt-xapian-index which will search on package tags, which will be uniform in this respece |
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| 14:33.30 | stew | geekosopher: and if you have thatt installed, aptitude can also search in these tage |
| 14:33.34 | stew | tags |
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| 14:33.51 | frikinz | yes but is everything properly tagged? |
| 14:33.59 | stew | not yet |
| 14:34.05 | stew | but, for instance, "aptitude search '~Ginterface::commandline'" |
| 14:34.11 | dkr | aptitude search \~dcommand.?line actually, :) |
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| 14:35.34 | geekosopher | dkr: hmm... so its all about playing with regexp? |
| 14:35.54 | stew | frikinz: things that are tagged are properly tagged, its not as if you'll find things also tagged interface::command-line, but not 100% of packages are tagged |
| 14:36.00 | dkr | geekosopher: or what stew recommended |
| 14:36.22 | geekosopher | looking for apt-xapian-index |
| 14:36.32 | zero1234 | hey guys, does anybody know how to change the default audio output device without restarting alsa? (during playback) |
| 14:36.54 | dan- | does anyone know if theres a procedure to compile and install the eglibc successfully? im having so much troubles |
| 14:37.54 | stew | dan-: its already installed |
| 14:37.59 | stew | dan-: why are you trying to compile it? |
| 14:38.25 | dan- | stew, cause i wanna install it on a scratch system |
| 14:38.39 | stew | dan-: its already installed in the libc6 package |
| 14:39.09 | dan- | lol i know it, im using a debian to build a scratch system on another partition |
| 14:39.14 | dan- | so i need to compile it there |
| 14:39.36 | stew | why do you need to compile it? |
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| 14:39.56 | dan- | don't i need to compile it? |
| 14:40.55 | stew | dan-: debian provides it already compiled |
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| 14:41.44 | dan- | and how do i grab it and put it on a scratch os? |
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| 14:41.54 | oxman | http://www.dotdeb.org/ is secure ? I mean can I use securily it on a production server ? |
| 14:41.55 | stew | dan-: what is a "scratch os"? |
| 14:42.03 | stew | !dotdeb |
| 14:42.03 | dpkg | methinks dotdeb is for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. The packages from backports.debian.org are vastly superior.. Ask me about <backports> and <debian-backports>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
| 14:42.31 | stew | oxman: what do you mean by secure? they have tended to be of poor quality and crashy |
| 14:42.59 | oxman | I mean secure like the packages selected from stable on debian |
| 14:43.06 | oxman | secure/stable |
| 14:43.15 | oxman | on backports there is no php 5.3 :/ |
| 14:43.15 | stew | oxman: then no |
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| 14:43.33 | dan- | stew, im trying to make that "linux from scratch", but using the debian sources |
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| 14:43.43 | themill | oxman: squeeze has php5.3 -- you could upgrade... "/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze" |
| 14:43.54 | oxman | ok thanks |
| 14:44.11 | stew | oxman: in no sense of the word stable. in the debian sense of the word "stable" they exist for the sole purpose of not being stable. in the "do they crash" sense, "yes, they crash" |
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| 14:45.16 | stew | dan-: then I'd encourage you to find a linuxfromscratch channel |
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| 14:46.19 | lancelot_of | hi all |
| 14:47.07 | lancelot_of | any tiling and not so minimalistic wm for debian?i love fluxbox but it miss some useful tiling features in my opinion |
| 14:47.22 | dan- | stew, nah its just an experiment thing that i started yesterday. i of course use debian as main os, but i'd like to do that lfs using debian packages. the only problem i'm facing is the eglibc compiling\install process, which doesnt work (sometimes it compiles but doesnt install) |
| 14:47.39 | justin | lancelot_of: apt-cache search tiling window manager? |
| 14:48.19 | abrotman | lancelot_of: a lot of people seem to like awesomewm .. though some might recommend tritium |
| 14:48.22 | abrotman | hides from stew |
| 14:49.43 | stew | i don't recommend tritium to anyone that doesn't want to help develop it |
| 14:49.48 | stew | :) |
| 14:49.53 | oxman | for me the best tiling window manager is wmii |
| 14:49.56 | oxman | far away the other |
| 14:49.59 | stew | i amazingly have never gotten a patch for it yet |
| 14:50.12 | stew | and I've started making progress on quadrillion |
| 14:50.16 | oxman | not for features, but how he manage the window and how i can move easily them |
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| 14:52.05 | lancelot_of | ok thanks a lot to all you...i'm going to try each one |
| 14:52.07 | lancelot_of | :) |
| 14:52.23 | lancelot_of | ...and spending a lot of time for learning curves.. ;) |
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| 14:53.59 | babilen | lancelot_of: throw xmonad in the mix as well -- you'll probably end up with one of: wmii, awesomewm or xmonad |
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| 14:55.05 | lancelot_of | babilen, i tried xmonad..i didn't like it...it's too much minimalistic for me.. ;) anyway thanks a lot for your suggestion |
| 14:55.06 | babilen | oxman: as much as i love wmii, kris maglione is the only person working on it, it does not get much love in from #suckless and needs some development. |
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| 14:56.37 | babilen | lancelot_of: You could use xmonad as window manager in Gnome ... not *that* minimalistic anymore. But whatever rocks your boat. :) |
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| 14:58.33 | petern_ | xmonad is... yeah... |
| 14:58.46 | petern_ | 542MB of diskspace used if I installed it... |
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| 14:59.26 | stew | wasn't awesome modeled after wmii/dwm? awesome is certainly the one that has the most steam behind it |
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| 14:59.59 | babilen | stew: yes, dwm .. |
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| 15:01.23 | greedo | anyone know what lockd: cannot monitor x.x.x.x means |
| 15:02.07 | greedo | I keeps causing hugh loads on the server |
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| 15:02.09 | greedo | it* |
| 15:02.58 | justin | greedo: using NFS? |
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| 15:03.17 | greedo | justin: yes |
| 15:04.26 | greedo | Is the system having a problem releasing a NFS lock? |
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| 15:05.43 | greedo | i'm confused about where to even begin with this problem |
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| 15:06.51 | justin | greedo: are lots of processes stuck in the 'D' state? |
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| 15:08.09 | greedo | justin: how could I check that? |
| 15:08.36 | justin | ps aux|grep D |
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| 15:11.11 | greedo | justin: 14 processes in that state |
| 15:12.10 | justin | greedo: and your load is something like 14.1? |
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| 15:13.22 | greedo | justin: 0.42 at moment |
| 15:13.35 | greedo | justin: but other times have been worse |
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| 15:14.04 | greedo | justin: I had to manual shut down the machine at x.x.x.x |
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| 15:14.41 | greedo | justin: I'm trying to understand what is going on here and what I can do to fix it in the future |
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| 15:16.24 | greedo | so if I understand what I'm reading correctly, it is bad to be in 'D' |
| 15:17.07 | justin | D means that the process is stuck waiting for IO |
| 15:17.20 | justin | which can easily happen with NFS depending on what mount options you are using |
| 15:17.47 | justin | it doesn't really affect performance that much though |
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| 15:18.57 | greedo | justin: is there other mount options that I should be using |
| 15:19.14 | justin | it depends what you are using NFS for |
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| 15:20.01 | greedo | I'm exporting with rw,sync,no_subtree_check |
| 15:20.12 | justin | im talking about client options |
| 15:20.58 | greedo | nfs is used to mount user home directories, website data, and CDImages |
| 15:21.26 | justin | well for home directories, you probably want the options that give the most reliability |
| 15:21.38 | greedo | so? |
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| 15:22.00 | justin | but for things like website data and cdimages, you can probably use soft,intr |
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| 15:25.57 | greedo | justin: so I guess I really can't fix the problem in terms of user directories? |
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| 15:27.10 | justin | greedo: I guess you can check /etc/default/nfs |
| 15:27.35 | justin | er, nfs-common |
| 15:28.00 | justin | hmm, actually that might not help at all, I don't think lockd is configured there anymore |
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| 15:28.31 | greedo | yeah, I don't see anything there |
| 15:29.05 | greedo | so, I guess what I could use is a way to limit the number of nfs home directory mounts? |
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| 15:36.40 | lolcat | I keep getting "No buffer space availble" when wgetting |
| 15:37.10 | greedo | justin: well can nfs be limited? |
| 15:37.16 | aleray | hi, I have troubles upgrading my system (debian squeeze ppc). I haven't been using this computer for month, and now I'm trying to upgrade its software. It seems like my home partition is mounted read only for some reasons (errors=remount-ro). Here is what I get when I run `sudo aptitude update`: http://dpaste.com/378288/ |
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| 15:39.05 | justin | greedo: probably not the right solution there |
| 15:39.10 | aleray | My home is indeed mounted read-only: `touch file.txt` touch: cannot touch `file.txt': Read-only file system |
| 15:39.53 | justin | aleray: errors=remount-ro means that the filesystem is remounted as read-only in the event of filesystem errors |
| 15:39.55 | DotHack | aleray: post a dmesg or /var/log/syslog |
| 15:40.16 | justin | it doesn't actually refer to whether or not the filesystem is currently read only or not |
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| 15:41.06 | greedo | justin: is there a solution, I remounted websites and cdimages with soft,intr |
| 15:41.49 | justin | greedo: that should at least help processes not get stuck |
| 15:42.19 | rdz | hi all. how can i emulate when installing a package that this packages hasn't ever been installed before, so that all necessary files are created? |
| 15:42.34 | justin | rdz: what? |
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| 15:42.42 | rdz | i.e: i would like postgresql to install all default database files |
| 15:42.59 | justin | why wouldn't it? |
| 15:43.01 | greedo | justin: so I guess for home directories their is not much I can do |
| 15:43.27 | aleray | DotHack, justin here is the tail of my syslog: http://dpaste.com/378302/ |
| 15:43.33 | greedo | justin: would it hurt to mount home directories as soft,intr? |
| 15:43.35 | rdz | justin, because i manually deleted some files and 'aptitude install postgresql' does not recreate them |
| 15:43.54 | justin | rdz: purge postgresql and reinstall it |
| 15:44.01 | justin | that's the easiest way |
| 15:44.04 | DotHack | aleray: i think you hd is broken |
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| 15:45.02 | aleray | DotHack, is it fixeable? |
| 15:45.07 | rdz | justin, that doesn't help.. there is something that prevents aptitude (respectively the post-install-script) to execute default db creation twice |
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| 15:45.34 | DotHack | aleray: probably not.. backup your data and replace your harddisk.. seems like bad sector or something |
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| 15:45.54 | justin | rdz: purge postgresql and make sure /var/lib/postgresql is empty? |
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| 15:46.35 | aleray | DotHack, :-/ thanks. |
| 15:47.08 | DotHack | aleray: np... |
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| 15:48.11 | HackeMate | hello |
| 15:48.16 | HackeMate | how to edit pdf files? |
| 15:50.25 | rdz | justin, thanks. i guess I spotted the problem. The postgresql* pacakges never were really removed, because the purgin failed due to a missing directory.. after creating that directory, it's possible to start from scratch |
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| 15:50.43 | HackeMate | done |
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| 15:59.58 | HaC|away | hi |
| 16:00.10 | HaC|away | is it anyhow possible to have fulldisk encryption with a keyfile provided with a usbstick ? |
| 16:00.40 | HaC|away | i found a howto that adding something like "cryptkey=/dev/disk/by-uuid/$UID:ext3:/secretkey" would do the trick... |
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| 16:01.01 | HaC|away | but it doesnt |
| 16:01.19 | boehmer | HaC|away: did you replace $UID by the right uuid? |
| 16:01.26 | HaC|away | yepp..hope to |
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| 16:01.30 | HaC|away | tried with /dev/sdb1 too |
| 16:01.33 | HaC|away | but it doesn't work |
| 16:01.38 | HaC|away | it still asks for my passphrase |
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| 16:02.10 | HaC|away | one thing i recognize that after showing the passphrase prompt there are messages showing that the usb devices got connected |
| 16:02.25 | HaC|away | but AFTER the first passphrase prompt...don't know if that is related... |
| 16:03.16 | HaC|away | event the screen output shows me anything related to "tryed to use the keyfile" |
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| 16:03.29 | HaC|away | shows me nothing |
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| 16:04.14 | robertgst | anyone running btrfs with squeeze? |
| 16:05.17 | robertgst | I'm getting "can't perform the search" when trying to list subvolumes: btrfs subvolume list /amountpoint |
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| 16:06.13 | robertgst | strace shows that a "Innappropriate ioctl" is getting used. |
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| 16:11.43 | greedo | hmm, is there a clnt_max_conns in linux? |
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| 16:35.42 | zach23 | I know they just upgraded linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 on lenny - where can i see the changelog to see what is upgraded? |
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| 16:37.22 | dkr | zach23: aptitude changelog linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 |
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| 16:38.04 | greedo | no success yet |
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| 16:38.21 | greedo | I still can't find a way to limit the number of nfs connections |
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| 16:41.06 | dkr | zach23: hrm. was going to say http://packages.debian.org/lenny/linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 but the changelog linkt here 404s |
| 16:41.35 | zach23 | dkr: right, but when i click changelog: The requested URL /changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.26-26lenny2/changelog was not found on this server. |
| 16:41.50 | dkr | zach23: that's what a 404 is, :) |
| 16:41.58 | zach23 | right... |
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| 16:42.44 | zach23 | i just want to know if i should rush and upgrade the package |
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| 16:43.55 | ElDiabolo | Can I tell aptitude to force squeeze even if it needs to downgrade? |
| 16:44.18 | karsten-nr | ElDiabolo: Via pinning, though downgrades aren't assured. |
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| 16:44.33 | lapsusbrutus | can I blacklist "processor" on a virtual machine.. thermal and that stuff I guess I can? |
| 16:44.37 | karsten-nr | OT: Anyone know if there's a Comcast service status webpage anywhere? |
| 16:45.35 | cahoot | http://online.comcast.net/networkhealth/outagecheck.aspx ? |
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| 16:48.21 | ElDiabolo | karsten-nr, Thx, unfortunate, I don't likepinning. |
| 16:48.51 | stew | ElDiabolo: you can try "aptitude install package=version" for each package to downgrade |
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| 16:49.30 | stew | ElDiabolo: or you can use the aptitude frontend |
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| 16:52.31 | ElDiabolo | stew, We are in the unfortunate situation that there was an ubuntu source in sources.list.d when we dist-upgraded to what we thought to be squeeze ... |
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| 16:53.22 | stew | ElDiabolo: so you upgraded everything to ubuntu? |
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| 16:54.44 | ElDiabolo | stew, Not shure about that. Looked like a dependency mess when I left my workplace. |
| 16:55.42 | stew | ElDiabolo: show us the output of "apt-cache policy perl-base libc6" in a pastebin |
| 16:56.13 | ElDiabolo | stew, not possible at the moment, I'm on the tram home. |
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| 16:56.58 | deno | hi guys |
| 16:57.37 | deno | can you tell me how can I remove a strange sound every time that I get the login prompt of debian? it seems a fart sound! |
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| 17:00.34 | dkr | I tried grepping around gdm conf files and the like. but don't see a related conf setting. I think it's using system bell, rather than playing a sound file. |
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| 17:01.10 | dkr | I haven't logged out in a few months |
| 17:01.25 | JordiGH | What's a good way to keep a patch stack against a Debian package? |
| 17:01.37 | JordiGH | I patch xchat, but I don't want my patches to get clobbered with upgrades. |
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| 17:02.02 | JordiGH | And I can't really push my patches upstream, since they're more like configurations for stuff that's defined at compile time, like some keybindings. |
| 17:02.11 | dkr | aptitude hold xchat ? |
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| 17:02.26 | simonrvn | deno: that's gnome's login sound. you can turn it off with gdmsetup |
| 17:02.32 | dkr | you can modify keybindings in xchat itself, though like I have F2 and F3 for switching tabs |
| 17:02.40 | stew | JordiGH: keep them on a git branch that you can keep merging from upstream? |
| 17:02.40 | JordiGH | dkr: You can't disable C-l |
| 17:03.00 | JordiGH | stew: I have them on quilt in the source package right now. |
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| 17:03.22 | stew | JordiGH: and is there something wrong with continuing with that? |
| 17:03.58 | JordiGH | stew: Well, I don't see a convenient way to keep applying my patches to new versions of xchat. |
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| 17:04.31 | JordiGH | dkr: Also, I don't like how it colours nicks, too few colours to hash to, plus it doesn't colourise nicks in /me or in highlit messages. This looks more like a personal preference, so I don't think I can push this patch upstream |
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| 17:05.10 | stew | JordiGH: i'd use git + git-buildpackage |
| 17:05.27 | JordiGH | stew: Okay, fair enough, I've done that for actual packages I maintain. |
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| 17:05.36 | JordiGH | I mean, supposedly I know git+buildpackage, I've used it before. |
| 17:05.53 | JordiGH | Does mercurial-buildpackage handle quilt natively now? hg pretty much uses its own quilt. |
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| 17:18.24 | kylebofh | good morning debianites |
| 17:18.40 | JordiGH | prefers the term "debianista". |
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| 17:19.38 | kylebofh | JordiGH: jajaja is debianista a legal english term? |
| 17:19.56 | JordiGH | Legal? |
| 17:20.06 | JordiGH | I don't think you'll be thrown in jail for saying it in English... |
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| 17:20.48 | kylebofh | well... err... correct was what I tried to mean |
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| 17:21.17 | deno | simonrvn, thx |
| 17:21.21 | JordiGH | Sure, why not, English speakers say Sandinistas frequently enough. |
| 17:21.44 | JordiGH | The -ista ending in English has connotations of communists and revolutionaries. |
| 17:22.20 | cahoot | like MS Vista? |
| 17:22.59 | acx0 | is it possible to somehow compile the source of a program and install it to your /home/bin directory (for example) without needing root privileges? |
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| 17:23.16 | dkr | yes |
| 17:23.21 | acx0 | I'm asking because my university servers run debian stable and I don't want to have to ask the administrator to install a bunch of stuff that only I need |
| 17:23.38 | kylebofh | MS Vista are the revolutionaries of V (the Visitors) |
| 17:23.51 | acx0 | would I have to install all the libraries that the program uses as well? or would they somehow get linked to the system ones? |
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| 17:24.10 | dkr | the latter, if they are installed |
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| 17:24.17 | stew | acx0: it depends on whether or not the -dev packages for those libraries are already installed |
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| 17:26.33 | ScottG | What does c indicate in aptitude output at the start of a line? |
| 17:26.49 | jhutchins_lt | I always thought it was "Debiants". |
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| 17:27.00 | acx0 | the configuration files exist on the machine, I believe |
| 17:27.03 | ScottG | Ah nvm I think i found it |
| 17:27.05 | ScottG | Right |
| 17:27.10 | ScottG | Basically it wasn't purged |
| 17:27.50 | acx0 | can you remove programs that you compile yourself with dpkg? are they somehow registered with it or do you have to hunt down the files and delete them? |
| 17:28.15 | stew | acx0: installing a removing packages with dpkg requires root |
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| 17:30.05 | stew | acx0: you can perhaps use stow to help, but I've not used it before |
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| 17:59.12 | nsadmin | !marillat squeeze |
| 17:59.21 | nsadmin | !marillat |
| 17:59.21 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
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| 18:10.39 | ibrahim | hello, how can i format the disk as ntfs on debian? |
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| 18:12.19 | stew | ibrahim: with mkfs.ntfs from ntfsprogs |
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| 18:12.53 | dutchfish | ibrahim: mkfs -t ntfs /dev/part |
| 18:13.03 | ibrahim | stew, with that command, what happens? my operating system goes? |
| 18:13.16 | ibrahim | or dutchfish, yes. |
| 18:13.37 | ice799 | Any pbuilder people around? Trying to figure out something tricky with building a deb that uses quilt for patching. |
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| 18:13.48 | ice799 | I should say, people familiar with pbuilder. |
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| 18:13.58 | dutchfish | ibrahim: the device on wich you put that filesystem will loose its data, yes. |
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| 18:14.21 | ibrahim | dutchfish, i was thinking that for the whole hdd. :) |
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| 18:14.36 | dutchfish | ibrahim: more accurate that partition |
| 18:14.40 | acu | what software did people use to broadcast debconf ? = I see that they could switch between different cameras ? |
| 18:16.03 | ice799 | A different question then: does anyone know if there is a better channel to ask deb/packaging related questions? |
| 18:16.56 | Web-aptosid681 | Hi again, I just tried running a program which allocates 2.4GB and deallocates it again. And while the program is still running (waiting) I run it again -> The system froze |
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| 18:19.26 | ice799 | Web-aptosid681: the system probably didnt freeze. you probably ran out of RAM and the kernel started writing out parts of RAM to disk. |
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| 18:20.01 | Web-aptosid681 | ice799: I disabled swap |
| 18:20.33 | ice799 | so did oom killer run? |
| 18:21.08 | Web-aptosid681 | oom? |
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| 18:21.26 | jelly-hme | !oom |
| 18:21.26 | dpkg | what a woc says. Out Of Memory, or http://lwn.net/Articles/104185/ |
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| 18:21.48 | Web-aptosid681 | !oom |
| 18:21.48 | dpkg | what a woc says. Out Of Memory, or http://lwn.net/Articles/104185/ |
| 18:21.54 | jelly-hme | yes thank you |
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| 18:22.24 | ice799 | jelly-hme: you know anything about pbuilder? |
| 18:22.45 | Web-aptosid681 | the first process got usually killed, but not last time |
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| 18:22.58 | jelly-hme | ice799: nope |
| 18:23.12 | ice799 | jelly-hme: do you know anything about quilt? |
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| 18:23.33 | jelly-hme | ice799: no, please ask the whole channel instead. |
| 18:23.43 | ice799 | jelly-hme: i already did but you showed up |
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| 18:23.47 | ice799 | figured i'd ask you. |
| 18:24.26 | ice799 | Web-aptosid681: yeah so processes have an OOM score |
| 18:24.38 | ice799 | Web-aptosid681: the oom score is how the kernel decides who will get killed |
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| 18:24.52 | jelly-hme | ice799: no need to ask myself in particular, I didn't just come in and have the log right in front of me |
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| 18:25.13 | stew | ice799: did you actually ask a question? |
| 18:25.18 | ice799 | stew: yes |
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| 18:25.38 | jelly-hme | <ice799> Any pbuilder people around? Trying to figure out something tricky with building a deb that uses quilt for patching. |
| 18:25.45 | stew | ice799: i guess the answers to all of your questions are "yes" |
| 18:25.49 | robert_ | so, I'm loking for the perror executtable; which package is it contained in? |
| 18:25.55 | ice799 | i asked it a few times yesterday and got no response. figured i'd short circuit and just ask if anyone knows what pbuilder is |
| 18:26.00 | robert_ | executable* rather. |
| 18:26.00 | ice799 | before typing out my question. |
| 18:26.25 | Web-aptosid681 | ice799: I would be happy if the unused memory of the first process would just be "given" to the 2nd process (which needs it) |
| 18:26.50 | ice799 | Web-aptosid681: sure but it doesnt exactly work that way |
| 18:27.04 | simonrvn | plenty of people know what it is, doesn't mean they also know how to use it.... |
| 18:27.11 | simonrvn | (pbuilder) |
| 18:27.14 | jelly-hme | ice799: this factoid mentions a channel: /msg dpkg mentors |
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| 18:28.10 | Web-aptosid681 | ice799: is there a way to make it work that way? |
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| 18:28.49 | ice799 | Web-aptosid681: not really, you dont have fine grained control over how physical memory is distributed between processes on the system. |
| 18:29.09 | ice799 | the closest you can really get is you can pin pages in memory to force the kernel to not swap them out, but you arent having that problem since you dont have swap. |
| 18:29.27 | ice799 | were you ssh'd in? there is a chance oom decided to kill SSH instead of your other process when it was time to run. |
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| 18:30.07 | ice799 | Web-aptosid681: if you have root you can also manually set the oom score for a process to encourage oom to kill it |
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| 18:30.12 | ice799 | when resources are tight |
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| 18:30.51 | ice799 | of course any process getting raped by OOM is usually a bad thing because who knows if that process has had time to shut down cleanly. |
| 18:30.53 | katsrc | are the debian mpd packages without vorbis, FLAC, and mp3 support? |
| 18:31.13 | katsrc | i'm trying to stream music and a unable to with mpd |
| 18:31.29 | ice799 | simonrvn: clearly im asking if anyone knows how to use it. |
| 18:31.39 | ice799 | i will retype my question again, though. |
| 18:31.58 | jelly-hme | copy/paste is your friend |
| 18:32.17 | stew | katsrc: the seem to link agails libvorbis* libflac and libmad |
| 18:32.32 | Web-aptosid681 | ice799: so there is no way to give unused memory back to the system? |
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| 18:32.47 | jelly-home | Web-aptosid681: unused? |
| 18:32.58 | robert_ | <robert_> so, I'm loking for the perror executtable; which package contains it? |
| 18:33.08 | robert_ | and once again, executable* |
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| 18:33.38 | ice799 | I have a deb package which uses quilt as the patching system. Now, a well known fact is that you need to include in your CDBS rules file "include /usr/share/quilt/quilt.make" because this file sets environment variables which make quilt work properly on debian packages. |
| 18:33.42 | jelly-home | Web-aptosid681: there is (see brk(2) man page), but apps don't often do it |
| 18:33.44 | katsrc | "error stream not playable" |
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| 18:34.03 | ice799 | Web-aptosid681: brk is not what you want. processes use mmap to get more memory. |
| 18:34.09 | robert_ | ........... |
| 18:34.25 | robert_ | mysql contains /usr/bin/perror? wtf |
| 18:34.33 | jelly-home | and there's a munmap for mmap |
| 18:34.36 | stew | ice799: your question is unclear, i don't really see a question there at all |
| 18:34.43 | ice799 | stew: I am getting to it |
| 18:35.32 | chipotle | any idea when debian squeeze will become stable? |
| 18:35.38 | stew | chipotle: sunday |
| 18:35.53 | ice799 | So, I've done this and included that makefile in my debain/rules. I'm now trying to use pbuilder to build my package and pbuilder is complaining that there is no /usr/share/quilt/quilt.make. I have quilt (>= 0.40) listed as a Build-Depends in my control file. |
| 18:35.55 | chipotle | stew: really? or just guessing? |
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| 18:36.00 | stew | maybe saturday if all goes well and depending on your definition of saturday |
| 18:36.01 | stew | chipotle: really |
| 18:36.06 | jelly-home | fo sho? |
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| 18:36.13 | chipotle | does that mean debian lenny will be outdated and all "stable" debian's will now be debian squeeze? |
| 18:36.16 | stew | ice799: you need to build-dep on quilt |
| 18:36.28 | jelly-home | stew: you didn't say which Sunday, though. |
| 18:36.33 | stew | chipotle: lenny will be "oldstable" and squeeze will be "stable" |
| 18:36.38 | ice799 | stew: as i said: "I have quilt (>= 0.40) listed as a Build-Depends in my control file." |
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| 18:37.30 | chipotle | will upgrading from lenny to squeeze be difficult? |
| 18:37.46 | stew | ice799: in build depends or build-depends-indep? |
| 18:37.47 | Optic | Hi hi... any hints for my intel 3945 wifi that's not working on debian but is working fine on slax? http://pastebin.com/XqxkJeLB |
| 18:38.07 | stew | chipotle: not if you follow the instructions in chapter 4 of the squeeze release notes |
| 18:39.08 | stew | ice799: can you paste the build log somewhere? |
| 18:39.44 | ice799 | stew: I will momentarily. |
| 18:39.45 | Optic | i.e., what did you guys do to that poor linux wifi driver? :) |
| 18:39.47 | Optic | hehe |
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| 18:40.03 | jelly-home | Optic: uname -r? |
| 18:40.23 | Optic | one sec, just rebooting the box. It's an up-to-date squeeze 686 |
| 18:40.24 | jelly-home | Optic: does slax' kernel significantly differ in version? |
| 18:40.34 | Optic | yeah, slax's is older, it's 2.6.27 |
| 18:40.39 | jelly-home | heh |
| 18:41.22 | jelly-home | could be an upstream regression instead of just a debian-specific one |
| 18:41.39 | Optic | it *kinda* works, it will do an ap scan, but I can't get it to properly associate wtih an unencrypted access point |
| 18:41.45 | Optic | and of course WPA authentication times out |
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| 18:42.15 | Optic | but the same iwconfig and wpa_supplicant settings get me online in slax |
| 18:42.17 | Optic | it's frustrating :) |
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| 18:42.38 | jelly-home | you might have to file a bug against the linux kernel package |
| 18:43.43 | Optic | i've been through this page a couple times...http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 18:43.51 | Optic | maybe I'll try it in an older debian |
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| 18:44.19 | DelphiWorld | hi guys |
| 18:44.23 | DelphiWorld | i installed lighttpd. |
| 18:44.29 | DelphiWorld | wanted to do php with it, btw |
| 18:44.35 | ice799 | jelly-home, Optic which kernel version is squeeze 686 using? |
| 18:44.40 | DelphiWorld | if i install php5 thay auto install apache |
| 18:44.43 | DelphiWorld | how do i remove it, |
| 18:44.43 | simonrvn | DelphiWorld: use fcgi |
| 18:44.46 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 18:44.48 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.37-trunk-686 (2.6.37-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 18:44.50 | simonrvn | php5-cgi |
| 18:44.51 | Optic | one sec |
| 18:44.56 | DelphiWorld | simonrvn: ok, how do i remove apache2? |
| 18:45.02 | ice799 | there were many changes to iwl in 2.6.33 |
| 18:45.05 | simonrvn | don't use the apache module, it's *just* for apache |
| 18:45.06 | DelphiWorld | Optic: voyage up up up.? |
| 18:45.19 | DelphiWorld | simonrvn: i know but is autpo installed with php5. |
| 18:45.20 | simonrvn | man aptitude, man apt-get |
| 18:45.21 | Optic | Linux osn001229 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 04:01:41 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 18:45.26 | simonrvn | no it's not |
| 18:45.28 | DelphiWorld | simonrvn: i want to uninstall apache2. |
| 18:45.35 | simonrvn | so do it |
| 18:45.36 | Optic | that's what I'm running |
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| 18:46.05 | DelphiWorld | simonrvn: apt-get remove apache2 say is not installed |
| 18:46.10 | DelphiWorld | but i see it in init.d/apache |
| 18:46.28 | ice799 | Optic: so it could be that the changes to iwl in 2.6.33 fixed the issues you are seeing. COULD BE. |
| 18:46.29 | stew | DelphiWorld: /etc/init.d/apache2 is a conffile and removing a package without purging it does not remove conffiles |
| 18:46.48 | simonrvn | it's not 'apache2'; dpkg -l '*apache*' and purge/remove everyhing that has ii in front |
| 18:46.50 | Optic | ice: hmm, sounds like it's worth a try... is there a nice way to get a 2.6.33 kernel into my squeeze box? :) |
| 18:46.56 | DelphiWorld | stew, /etc/init.d/apache2 start it sucsessfully |
| 18:46.58 | DelphiWorld | so is installed |
| 18:47.10 | DelphiWorld | i think thay auto setup apche2mpm |
| 18:47.11 | stew | DelphiWorld: how did you test if it started successfully? |
| 18:47.35 | DelphiWorld | stew, /etc/init.d/apache2 start i saw it started, and i browsed to it |
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| 18:47.53 | ice799 | Optic: that i don't know. |
| 18:48.01 | ice799 | Optic: probably easier to just try an older version of debian |
| 18:48.20 | jhutchins_lt | DelphiWorld: dpkg -l "apache*" - figure out what actuall packages are installed on your system. |
| 18:48.22 | Optic | ok, I'll give that a try first. I think I have an etch disc around here somewhere :) |
| 18:48.32 | Optic | er, lenny |
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| 18:48.36 | stew | DelphiWorld: remove or purge the apache2.2-common package |
| 18:49.03 | DelphiWorld | stew, doing |
| 18:49.49 | smacnay | Does the current Nautilus in sid eat memory the longer a session is open? |
| 18:49.52 | DelphiWorld | stew, thank you you you! |
| 18:50.03 | Optic | ice799: thanks, I'll give that a try right now |
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| 18:51.13 | ice799 | stew: yes so even with Build-Depends-Indep: quilt (>= 0.40) it still fails complaining: debian/rules:3: /usr/share/quilt/quilt.make: No such file or directory |
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| 18:51.35 | ice799 | stew: I am attempting to build libpcap, so if the control file was broken there would probably be a bug filed against libpcap. |
| 18:51.39 | stew | ice799: you cannot have it in Build-Depends-Indep |
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| 18:52.05 | ice799 | stew: I have not modified the package except to specify Build-Depends-Indep. |
| 18:52.13 | stew | ice799: you shouldn't |
| 18:52.15 | ice799 | so in theory it should build without modification. |
| 18:52.21 | ice799 | however, it does not. |
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| 18:53.04 | stew | ice799: what version of libpcap are you trying to build? |
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| 18:53.43 | jhutchins_lt | wonders if people ever actually read error messages, or if they just copy & paste 'em to irc. |
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| 18:54.11 | stew | ice799: the current version of libpcap is a 3.0 (quilt) source package, so you should not be declaring a dependency on quilt at all, dpkg handles it |
| 18:54.17 | ice799 | stew: the latest version in the debian.org git repository, 1.1.1-2 |
| 18:54.34 | stew | ice799: so no, don't declare a dependency on quilt |
| 18:54.46 | ice799 | stew: ok, with no dependency on quilt, the patches are not applied. |
| 18:55.06 | ice799 | and the build fails because of a bug fixed by one of the debian patches |
| 18:55.45 | stew | ice799: are you trying to include /usr/share/quilt/quilt.make ? (you shouldn't) |
| 18:55.52 | stew | your original assertion "Now, a well known fact is that you need to include in your CDBS rules file "include /usr/share/quilt/quilt.make" was flawed |
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| 18:56.03 | ice799 | stew: as i've just said |
| 18:56.08 | ice799 | I've built the package with no modifications whatsoever |
| 18:56.12 | ice799 | including no cdbs modifications |
| 18:56.17 | stew | ice799: and did it build? |
| 18:56.26 | ice799 | No because no patches were applied by quilt |
| 18:56.32 | ice799 | and one of the patches fixes a build bug. |
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| 18:56.51 | stew | ice799: can you show us the build log yet? |
| 18:57.03 | ice799 | more specifically, patch 15_linker_script.diff is not applied. |
| 18:57.23 | ice799 | which fixes the bug I am hitting when I build the package with no modifications. |
| 18:57.28 | stew | it builds fine for me in pbuilder |
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| 18:58.07 | stew | dpkg-source: info: applying 15_linker_script.diff |
| 18:58.11 | ice799 | does pbuilder use your current system's installed packages as the base set of packages when generating a chroot? |
| 18:58.17 | stew | ice799: no |
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| 18:58.57 | stew | ice799: what release of debian is your pbuilder chroot? |
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| 18:59.47 | thewanderer1 | hi. after an unclean shutdown of Windows XP, GRUB1 stopped working. it was Debian Squeeze, the power got cut out and now the PC is rebooting after "Loading GRUB" |
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| 19:00.13 | Hui_Nan | hi all |
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| 19:00.47 | Hui_Nan | could anyone help with genisoimage -dvd-video? http://pastebin.com/XBTXCESg |
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| 19:01.31 | thewanderer1 | I know I can reinstall GRUB... however, what is causing this and how to prevent it in the future? |
| 19:02.00 | thewanderer1 | the same has happened when Squeeze was running, but then GRUB was hanging instead of rebooting |
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| 19:08.31 | thewanderer1 | oh, randomness. now it works after a restart... |
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| 19:09.49 | dannyLopez | hi some body can give me the source.list I'm a n00b |
| 19:10.19 | dannyLopez | the source.list to update lenny to squeeze |
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| 19:10.53 | dkr | !tell dannyLopez about lenny->squeeze |
| 19:11.22 | thewanderer1 | holy ....! virt-manager has just remapped my HOST OS drive to a guest drive and the guest was using my disk! |
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| 19:12.00 | dannyLopez | [dkr] tks |
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| 19:23.23 | chipotle | if you setup a 64bit debian lenny server and do not have a reason to use a 64bit OS, you're wasting memory correct? |
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| 19:26.19 | jhutchins_lt | sphenxes: Never seen a "tile" option in X. |
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| 19:26.31 | jhutchins_lt | One of the missing pieces. |
| 19:26.43 | sphenxes | jhutchins, thanks |
| 19:27.02 | jhutchins_lt | Also no shortcut key for "maximize window". |
| 19:27.09 | jhutchins_lt | I think you can set that up though. |
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| 19:33.08 | thewanderer1 | chipotle: you are wasting a few megabytes of memory, yes, but some operations are simpler. also some security bugs (recent PHP hole) can be avoided |
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| 19:36.03 | thewanderer1 | oh great. it's not possible to run a virtual machine in libvirt with VNC enabled on anything else than the loopback interface... |
| 19:36.30 | thewanderer1 | in fact I can't run the machine now at all |
| 19:37.50 | thewanderer1 | how to stop libvirt? |
| 19:38.22 | thewanderer1 | `/etc/init.d/libvirt-bin stop` does nothing - subsequent calls to `/etc/init.d/libvirt-bin start` yield: libvirtd already running. |
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| 19:40.12 | thewanderer1 | how cool... libvirt has frozen |
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| 19:43.25 | AndroUser2 | hi guys, is there a way to install into a remote server the debian distro? |
| 19:44.15 | AndroUser2 | i cannot use any usb or cd/dvd device |
| 19:44.36 | AndroUser2 | i have only the nic active |
| 19:44.52 | AndroUser2 | any help? |
| 19:45.07 | Bop | AndroUser2, PXE boot the debian net install , then install it trought network |
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| 19:45.39 | AndroUser2 | Bop thanks |
| 19:45.49 | AndroUser2 | PXE? |
| 19:45.58 | Bop | where is the server ? |
| 19:46.06 | Bop | is near you |
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| 19:46.31 | Bop | u need to get the bios and choose PXE boot |
| 19:46.36 | Bop | google for PXE |
| 19:46.46 | AndroUser2 | ok |
| 19:46.49 | Bop | if it is VPS , forget it |
| 19:47.07 | AndroUser2 | i am studying it |
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| 19:47.17 | Bop | ok , check pxe boot option |
| 19:47.20 | AndroUser2 | i have also a drac card |
| 19:47.36 | AndroUser2 | for vpn connection |
| 19:47.52 | AndroUser2 | but at the moment the server is empty |
| 19:48.07 | AndroUser2 | there isn't any os |
| 19:48.18 | Bop | why not use CD-ROM to install it ? |
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| 19:52.20 | AndroUser2 | Bop because i have to ask to the remote sysadmin of the IT campus to change 9 dvd |
| 19:52.48 | AndroUser2 | Bop how many dvd needs debian? |
| 19:53.02 | Bop | AndroUser2, u just need the net install , then u can install everything from the network |
| 19:53.07 | Bop | net isntall is 200 MB |
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| 19:53.46 | AndroUser2 | ok but i cannot use any device |
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| 19:54.12 | Bop | what device |
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| 19:55.18 | thewanderer1 | so you have a server. how are you going to boot it? |
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| 19:57.39 | thewanderer1 | hmm :P |
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| 19:58.03 | AndroUser2 | I am here again |
| 19:58.20 | AndroUser2 | bad connection |
| 19:59.21 | AndroUser2 | so the pxe system is the right way to connect me with the debian servers and get the last version of the os, right? |
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| 20:00.11 | AndroUser2 | a question: how have i select the distro using the pxe? |
| 20:00.11 | flypiper | AndroUser2, Google "linux network boot server" there are step by step instructions there |
| 20:00.19 | AndroUser2 | ok |
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| 20:01.53 | ice799 | yeah so i figured it out. |
| 20:01.57 | ice799 | stew: git-buildpackage. |
| 20:02.07 | ice799 | i need to use this: http://honk.sigxcpu.org/projects/git-buildpackage/manual-html/gbp.man.gbp.pq.html |
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| 20:02.33 | ice799 | im going to just apply the patches in debian/ to the source tree directly and be done with it |
| 20:02.42 | fipu_ | Hi guys |
| 20:02.43 | ice799 | just not worth the pain and suffering to do it the way debian wants. |
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| 20:03.27 | fipu_ | I need help: Added ipv6.disable=1 to my lilo.conf but get the error "Unrecognized token "ipv6.disable=1" at or above line 12 in file '/etc/lilo.conf'" |
| 20:03.34 | fipu_ | Can someonoe help me pls? |
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| 20:03.54 | vtts | how did you add it? |
| 20:03.54 | AndroUser2 | flypiper, i have an empty box |
| 20:04.04 | AndroUser2 | or better a vergin box |
| 20:04.30 | vtts | fipu_, did you use append="..."? |
| 20:04.52 | fipu_ | I use "ipv6.disable=1" |
| 20:05.05 | fipu_ | still tried ipv6.disable="1" |
| 20:05.10 | fipu_ | *already |
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| 20:05.46 | vtts | you need to use append="..." if you want to pass any arguments to the kernel |
| 20:06.12 | fipu_ | append="ipv6.disable=1" |
| 20:06.15 | fipu_ | right? |
| 20:06.17 | vtts | yes |
| 20:06.21 | fipu_ | ok IO try |
| 20:06.23 | fipu_ | *I |
| 20:06.35 | jelly-home | fipu_: that seems like correct syntax. |
| 20:07.13 | fipu_ | ok, seems to work! Added Linux * |
| 20:07.18 | AndroUser2 | any idea? |
| 20:07.18 | fipu_ | was the message |
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| 20:08.08 | flypiper | AndroUser2, how many boxes are you installing to? |
| 20:08.41 | AndroUser2 | 3 boxes |
| 20:08.48 | AndroUser2 | maybe 4 |
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| 20:09.23 | flypiper | you will need a linux ftp server for PXE to work and install your files on the empty boxes |
| 20:09.26 | AndroUser2 | flypiper any suggestion? |
| 20:09.45 | fipu_ | vtts: Thank you very much, it works perfectly! |
| 20:09.50 | fipu_ | and you too jelly-home |
| 20:10.00 | flypiper | AndroUser2, do you have a linux box on the network now? |
| 20:10.17 | AndroUser2 | one of these boxes has it |
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| 20:10.39 | AndroUser2 | yes i have it |
| 20:11.26 | AndroUser2 | the other boxes are attached in a local lan and joined phisically to a switch |
| 20:11.44 | thewanderer1 | AndroUser2: you say you have an empty server - how are you planning to control it remotely? |
| 20:12.25 | flypiper | AndroUser2, you will need to follow the how to.. install the tftp-server package and make a folder with you intall media in it. When the box boots using PXE it will look for that server and boot from it |
| 20:13.10 | AndroUser2 | flyper so i need to install tftp? |
| 20:13.32 | AndroUser2 | on the active linux box, right? |
| 20:13.53 | flypiper | AndroUser2, you need to follow the how to.. |
| 20:13.54 | thewanderer1 | AndroUser2: do you have DHCP in the network? you will need DHCP as well |
| 20:13.56 | stew | ice799: you don't need to use that. the debian source compiles just fine with "pdebuild" |
| 20:14.05 | AndroUser2 | I have not any dhcp set, but only static ip |
| 20:14.32 | thewanderer1 | AndroUser2: I normally use dnsmasq for this - it has easy, fast config, and provides DHCP and TFTP at once |
| 20:14.57 | thewanderer1 | by the way, how are you controlling the remote machines? some remote management modules? |
| 20:14.59 | AndroUser2 | interesting |
| 20:15.13 | AndroUser2 | vpn |
| 20:15.23 | thewanderer1 | yes, but what's on the other side of the VPN? |
| 20:15.28 | simonrvn | AndroUser2: flypiper: tftp, not ftp |
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| 20:15.51 | AndroUser2 | of course simon |
| 20:15.59 | AndroUser2 | tftp |
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| 20:16.09 | thewanderer1 | AndroUser2: meaning, do you actually have some remote access to the keyboard, video and mouse of the machines? |
| 20:16.15 | flypiper | simonrvn, that is what I said |
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| 20:16.35 | simonrvn | flypiper> you will need a linux ftp server for PXE to work and install your files on the empty boxes |
| 20:16.41 | AndroUser2 | yes i control them using the vpn |
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| 20:17.03 | fipu_ | bye @ all |
| 20:17.06 | thewanderer1 | AndroUser2: so if you have remote control interfaces, don't they have a remote medium option for you to pass an ISO image to emulate a CD-ROM? |
| 20:17.08 | simonrvn | what you meant, not what you said, but i'm sure that's what you meant to say =) |
| 20:17.34 | flypiper | simonrvn, thanks for the correction |
| 20:17.34 | thewanderer1 | (at least our Intel RMM3 has something like this here) |
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| 20:18.01 | simonrvn | ok, just making sure everything's hunky dory |
| 20:18.31 | AndroUser2 | thewanderer1, no |
| 20:18.38 | topgun21 | how do i get grub to recognize the windows install with out reinstalling debian? |
| 20:18.55 | ice799 | stew: nah i do need to use it |
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| 20:19.15 | thewanderer1 | AndroUser2: hmm ok. then are your Linux machines in the same IP subnet as the destination servers? this is crucial for DHCP |
| 20:19.23 | stew | ice799: are you building from the .dsc from debian? or from something else? |
| 20:19.43 | stew | ice799: are you building from the maintainers' git? |
| 20:19.46 | thewanderer1 | (they should be on the same switch) |
| 20:20.04 | ice799 | stew: I am building from the maintainers git that I have cloned locally. |
| 20:20.17 | AndroUser2 | thewanderer1 yes i have them in the same submask |
| 20:20.46 | ice799 | and I am using git-buildpackage to generate a source package followed by pbuilder to build binary packages. |
| 20:21.04 | thewanderer1 | AndroUser2: if so, install on one of the servers `dnsmasq` package, download Debian net-install tarball, extract them and configure dnsmasq to serve DHCP (set your own IP address pool) and the path to the images |
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| 20:22.03 | AndroUser2 | the active server has a centos distro |
| 20:22.09 | AndroUser2 | is it the same? |
| 20:22.12 | thewanderer1 | well, it should have dnsmasq anyway |
| 20:22.18 | AndroUser2 | ok |
| 20:22.42 | thewanderer1 | the only difference might be the stock dnsmasq config file - the Debian ones are really full-featured and can serve as the best template |
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| 20:24.35 | thewanderer1 | AndroUser2: this is the stock Debian configuration file: http://paste.debian.net/106344/ - you can use it if the CentOS package lacks a proper example config file |
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| 20:25.12 | Bushmills | why would dictd depend on update-inetd (which depend on inetd) when the default config of dictd is such that it runs as daemon, rather than being invoked by inetd? |
| 20:25.13 | thewanderer1 | basically you need dhcp-range, enable-tftp and tftp-root and you should be fine |
| 20:25.33 | AndroUser2 | thanks thewanderer1 |
| 20:26.09 | thewanderer1 | Bushmills: looks like a bug to me |
| 20:26.32 | Bushmills | ah, good. that's something i find easier to understand :) |
| 20:26.35 | thewanderer1 | however... |
| 20:26.47 | thewanderer1 | proftpd also depends on this, so there *might* be a policy behind that |
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| 20:27.01 | thewanderer1 | this is not to say that the policy itself is not erroneous :) |
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| 20:28.07 | Bushmills | will, it says "because you want to run this as daemon, that's why force a way to run it as non-daemon up on you" |
| 20:28.10 | thewanderer1 | perhaps nobody has taken care to write postinst scripts to configure the mode of execution which would take the presence of inetd into account :P |
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| 20:28.49 | thewanderer1 | or absence rather, to make it clear |
| 20:29.19 | CQ | hello, how can I debug a non working windows printer? Ive set it up using teh cups interface, it works from windows, but not from debian... |
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| 20:29.22 | Bushmills | i'd have thought that preconfiguring dictd as daemon would do away with that. |
| 20:29.58 | Bushmills | otherwise, any service, running as daemon, could/would/should depend on inetd, by extension of logic. |
| 20:30.05 | CQ | its set up to use samba ... smb://192.168.2.90/printername ... the name is right the printer is shared, ... any way to figure out what's up? |
| 20:30.16 | thewanderer1 | Bushmills: yes, if it has a component runnable via STDIN/STDOUT |
| 20:31.07 | thewanderer1 | CQ: probably the drivers... CUPS doesn't provide them on its own, it only maintains the interface to the printer |
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| 20:33.41 | thewanderer1 | Bushmills: http://lintian.debian.org/tags/maintainer-script-needs-depends-on-update-inetd.html |
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| 20:34.47 | thewanderer1 | so as you can see this has been introduced due to postinst scripts calling it... and now everyone thinks that every program runnable via inetd needs to depend on this :P |
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| 20:35.40 | CQ | smbclient finds the printer ... the driver should be OK, I've used it befoer with the system, no idea why it stopped working |
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| 20:36.14 | thewanderer1 | Bushmills: but hey, update-inetd does not depend on the superserver... so this should do no harm at all |
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| 20:36.30 | thewanderer1 | (besides needing some perl junk) |
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| 20:38.32 | Bushmills | indeed. inetd can be purged even with update-inetd installed. |
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| 20:39.46 | Bushmills | now that's better :) |
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| 20:40.40 | andrew__ | are all of the precompiled packages in squeeze free? |
| 20:41.08 | Bushmills | the ones in non-free section aren't |
| 20:41.31 | _kito_ | i had a problem with mysql while upgrading to squeeze |
| 20:41.38 | _kito_ | anyone had the same? |
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| 20:42.34 | t3a | let me try to install it and see |
| 20:42.49 | t3a | *run- |
| 20:43.03 | t3a | _kito_, debian:/home/andrew# mysql |
| 20:43.04 | t3a | ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 20:43.08 | t3a | is that what you got |
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| 20:43.29 | jordanm | t3a: invoke-rc.d mysql start |
| 20:43.59 | t3a | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.00 | t3a | invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed. |
| 20:44.05 | t3a | wtf |
| 20:44.05 | _kito_ | t3a: it was worst than that, but i just found a solution online |
| 20:44.08 | CQ | how can I see what Xserver I'm using and remove the rest? |
| 20:44.09 | jordanm | t3a: your out of disk space |
| 20:44.10 | _kito_ | it was a line on the my.cnf file |
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| 20:44.17 | t3a | i see thot |
| 20:44.19 | _kito_ | i had to comment the skip-bdb line |
| 20:44.48 | jordanm | (or inodes) |
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| 20:45.25 | Optic | so my wifi problems |
| 20:45.28 | Optic | are fixed |
| 20:45.38 | Optic | it was A BROKEN ANTENNA |
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| 20:45.48 | hyperutz | regarding debian linux how can i see which kernel modules handles which eth interface? |
| 20:45.51 | Optic | I have no idea why it worked in slax but not in debian... but I replaced the antenna and it works in debian now :P |
| 20:45.56 | jordanm | hyperutz: lspci -k |
| 20:46.08 | Optic | bashes head on desk |
| 20:46.12 | Optic | thanks for your help guys :) |
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| 20:47.15 | thewanderer1 | what SMTP server should I use to perform only local e-mail handling? i.e. only deliver to localhost |
| 20:47.32 | jordanm | thewanderer1: thats how the default exim4 configuration is |
| 20:47.33 | hyperutz | jordanm and how can i see which driver uses my eth0 motherboard builtin network card ? |
| 20:47.39 | thewanderer1 | preferably something small, non-intrusive, and secure, which rules out exim4 :P |
| 20:47.43 | t3a | noooo |
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| 20:47.54 | jordanm | thewanderer1: tehre is exim4-daemon-light (default) |
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| 20:48.00 | t3a | why is proc 128tb again? |
| 20:48.10 | hyperutz | does anyone know if Sundance Technology Inc / IC Plus Corp IC Plus IP100A Integrated 10/100 Ethernet has problems with bonding on debian ? |
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| 20:48.16 | jordanm | hyperutz: lspci -k, assuming you know the device from lscpi. |
| 20:48.27 | hyperutz | i have eth0 on motherboard and eth1 and IP100A |
| 20:48.30 | jordanm | hyperutz: whats the pciid? lspci -nn |
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| 20:49.36 | hyperutz | bonding work perfectly for eth0 when ii actully pull out the cable....it switches perfectly to eth1 ...then i replug the eth0's cable and plug out the eth1 (IP100A SUNDANCE) cable and no failover |
| 20:49.37 | t3a | how do i make proc not 128tb |
| 20:49.50 | jimmybgood | hyperutz: you can use 'ethtool -i eth0' to find which driver is with which ethX |
| 20:49.50 | jordanm | the /proc directory? |
| 20:49.51 | hyperutz | at cat /proc/net/bonding/bond0 it sees eth1 still up |
| 20:49.56 | thewanderer1 | t3a: err, what's just happened? :D |
| 20:50.18 | hyperutz | even though at mii-tool or ethtool it sees eth1 with "no link" |
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| 20:50.35 | t3a | it says proc is 128tb and i only have 2tb in harddrives, |
| 20:50.43 | hyperutz | could be the fact that IP100 network card does not support bonding ? |
| 20:50.53 | jordanm | t3a: the /proc directory? its not actually on disk |
| 20:50.53 | t3a | this wouldnt be a problem if it wasn't stopping me from saving files |
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| 20:51.09 | thewanderer1 | t3a: proc is a virtual filesystem, it doesn't take disk space |
| 20:51.34 | thewanderer1 | besides, I don't know what tells you that /proc is 128TB, it should be 0 |
| 20:51.49 | jordanm | t3a: if you are getting out of disk space warning but doesn't appear you are out of disk space, "df -i" |
| 20:51.56 | hyperutz | jimmybgood thanks found out the drivers |
| 20:51.58 | jordanm | you are probably out of inodes |
| 20:52.05 | thewanderer1 | jordanm: in /proc? :D |
| 20:52.06 | t3a | it says root is huge still, which it shouldnt, and disk usage analyzer says i have 90% free space |
| 20:52.16 | t3a | but i still cant save anything |
| 20:52.22 | thewanderer1 | t3a: drop the usage analyser, use df :P |
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| 20:52.22 | jordanm | t3a: df -i |
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| 20:52.46 | hyperutz | i still cannot understand why does not failover work for eth1 (Sundace IP100A) and for motherboard eth0 card works perfectly (it switches to eth1 immediatelly) |
| 20:53.04 | Jarvis | r/win 24 |
| 20:53.06 | Jarvis | oops |
| 20:53.14 | t3a | Jordanm thewanderer1 http://pastie.org/1522988 |
| 20:53.46 | jordanm | t3a: looks fine. and df -h? |
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| 20:54.09 | thewanderer1 | t3a: you know what overflow means? you're out of space :P |
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| 20:54.25 | t3a | http://pastie.org/1522992 |
| 20:54.32 | t3a | im not out of space |
| 20:54.34 | hyperutz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.34 | hyperutz | driver: sundance |
| 20:54.35 | hyperutz | version: 1.2 |
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| 20:54.38 | jordanm | t3a: / is full |
| 20:54.43 | jordanm | t3a: you are out of space |
| 20:54.46 | hyperutz | how can i see if this driver has bonding support ? |
| 20:54.50 | t3a | maybe that partition |
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| 20:55.24 | thewanderer1 | t3a: yes, and dpkg needs *some* space to function correctly. this is especially true for daemons which use /tmp for sockets! |
| 20:55.34 | thewanderer1 | (or /var or anything else) |
| 20:55.47 | t3a | how do i move space from /home to / |
| 20:56.06 | thewanderer1 | hmm... you want to move parts of your / to /home partition? |
| 20:56.11 | Bushmills | other way around, how to move files from / to /home |
| 20:56.25 | Bushmills | check out mount --bind, |
| 20:56.34 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
| 20:56.52 | t3a | no thewanderer1 move free space from home to / |
| 20:56.55 | thewanderer1 | I suggest moving /usr there - it can be mounted after init starts, and is often the fattest... |
| 20:57.03 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:57.08 | thewanderer1 | whole /usr |
| 20:57.36 | t3a | move it where |
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| 20:57.56 | Bushmills | you were suggesting /home yourself |
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| 20:58.19 | t3a | because it is a different partition |
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| 20:58.30 | Bushmills | good thinking |
| 20:58.37 | t3a | i dont want a temporary solution of moving files to save space, i want to be able to have enough space on / to be able to function |
| 20:59.05 | thewanderer1 | you can split / into different places like I did |
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| 20:59.22 | t3a | but that would give me less space wouldnt it? |
| 20:59.31 | thewanderer1 | hm no |
| 20:59.52 | Bushmills | maybe "aptitude clean" saves your day for now |
| 20:59.53 | t3a | how do i give / free space from /home |
| 21:00.02 | thewanderer1 | if you move /usr to a partition of its own, all files *with the exception of* /usr remain on / |
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| 21:00.53 | catsup | t3a: shrink /home, and resize / to be bigger |
| 21:00.53 | catsup | or, you know, get a bigger disk |
| 21:00.59 | t3a | how |
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| 21:01.45 | Bushmills | reiterating questions will either produce the same replies, or none at all |
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| 21:02.09 | t3a | how do i resize /home, gparted doesnt recognize them |
| 21:02.11 | CQ | what's teh easiest directory to move off / besides /home and /tmp? |
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| 21:02.32 | thewanderer1 | CQ: /var is not difficult, but also not very rewarding |
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| 21:02.44 | t3a | are you talking about my issue? |
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| 21:02.50 | hyperutz | does anyone knows if sundance network card driver support bonding ? |
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| 21:02.59 | thewanderer1 | well CQ seems to be having the same one |
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| 21:03.26 | jelly-home | hyperutz: do the card specification themselves say the card supports it? |
| 21:03.32 | t3a | are you saying there is no way to resize it without removing files because i dont believe that |
| 21:03.49 | thewanderer1 | t3a: you have to move files somewhere to reclaim space on / |
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| 21:03.59 | Bushmills | t3a: check out upx |
| 21:04.00 | hyperutz | jelly-home hmm...no ideea... |
| 21:04.03 | t3a | i can just resize the partition |
| 21:04.05 | thewanderer1 | and all files written to the directory will end up in the new storage area |
| 21:04.05 | CQ | I have a full / filesystem and need space ... or reinstall if I can't move stuff off / ... and /var is pretty small right now. /usr is difficult, right? |
| 21:04.08 | t3a | *cant |
| 21:04.08 | thewanderer1 | yes, you can |
| 21:04.11 | thewanderer1 | ah-ha |
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| 21:04.24 | t3a | so why werent you suggesting that |
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| 21:04.24 | hyperutz | can't seem to find it on their website either |
| 21:04.25 | thewanderer1 | CQ: /usr is perfectly "doable" |
| 21:04.51 | CQ | thewanderer1: no problems during boot? I have another unused 4GB partition free that I can move /usr to ... |
| 21:05.00 | thewanderer1 | CQ: no problems at all |
| 21:05.03 | catsup | nothing difficult about moving /usr, it's designed to be on another partition |
| 21:05.12 | thewanderer1 | t3a: because it involves messing with the partition table and live data and is a dangerous thing to do unless you are really sure what you are doing |
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| 21:05.33 | hyperutz | jelly-home i have just plugged in the PCI NEt Adapater and i saw that kernel uses "sundance" driver for it. I gues it is native on debian... |
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| 21:06.06 | spiekey | hmm...i think i found a nfs root_squash client bug in squeeze. Is there a buglist where i can see if it already there? |
| 21:06.16 | thewanderer1 | moving /usr is: bind mount /usr to somewhere else like /mnt/oldusr. now, copy (cp -a) all files from /usr to your new dir (/home/usr), bind mount /home/usr to mountpoint /usr and remove the content of /mnt/oldusr |
| 21:06.20 | jelly-home | hyperutz: most drivers are "native" in linux |
| 21:06.24 | hyperutz | but still bonding failover for it does not work...when i unplug it;s cable proc/net/bonding/bond0 sees it as being up... |
| 21:06.31 | t3a | what did aptitude clean do? |
| 21:06.54 | thewanderer1 | t3a: it removes archive cache - packages which have been downloaded in order to install them |
| 21:06.56 | hyperutz | jelly-home maybe somehow to change the driver... |
| 21:07.14 | t3a | oh, and about the partitioning |
| 21:07.15 | CQ | catsup any dynamic files on /usr? i.e. can I do it from a root shell (rsync to new partition, and then two mv's) ? |
| 21:07.20 | jelly-home | hyperutz: check the cards' specs. Sometimes you need pairs or multiples of same-model cards to make bonding work |
| 21:07.36 | hyperutz | driver: forcedeth is used for internal NIC... |
| 21:07.42 | catsup | CQ: in theory, no. /usr is supposed to be the space for static, read-only files. |
| 21:07.43 | hyperutz | and sundance for PCI nick... |
| 21:07.47 | jelly-home | hyperutz: forcedeth is crap |
| 21:08.27 | jelly-home | hyperutz: get a dual-port intel or two intel cards whose specs _say_ they're bonding capable |
| 21:09.01 | catsup | CQ: of course not everyone always follows the standard (but software that is in official debian almost always does) |
| 21:09.49 | spiekey | have some default mount options changed in debian squeeze? I cant mount the same share with no_rout_squash in squeeze anymore :-/ |
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| 21:10.56 | hyperutz | jelly-home well the producer of the NIC does not specify anything about bonding.. |
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| 21:11.49 | hiexpo | hello all |
| 21:12.03 | miha | how to use unstable kernel. sorry never needed this |
| 21:12.23 | jelly-home | hyperutz: that's not very hopeful |
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| 21:12.31 | hiexpo | hehe |
| 21:12.46 | jimmybgood | thewanderer1: I'm not following your directions for mving /usr, wouldn't all the files in the old /usr still be there with copis from /home/usr mounted over them? |
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| 21:13.28 | thewanderer1 | jimmybgood: no, because you remove the files from /mnt/oldusr, which points to the actual /usr directory on the / filesystem |
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| 21:13.45 | stuckey | debian multimedia.org is timing out, what do? |
| 21:13.53 | thewanderer1 | actually, the clean way to do this would be using clone() and unshare, but nobody bothers |
| 21:14.02 | stuckey | are there other us mirrors? |
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| 21:14.14 | jimmybgood | thewanderer1: aah, I see |
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| 21:14.24 | thewanderer1 | stuckey: http://debian-multimedia.org/ works for me... |
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| 21:14.47 | stuckey | thewanderer1: i mean when using it with apt |
| 21:15.02 | stuckey | thewanderer1: I get like 700 B/s, then it times out. |
| 21:15.28 | thewanderer1 | stuckey: try pulling the files from Canada |
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| 21:17.51 | jelly-home | miha: what do you mean by "unstable kernel"? |
| 21:19.08 | stuckey | thewanderer1: the same thing happens everytime, it starts out okay, then goes to around 4kB/s, then gets worse... |
| 21:19.16 | stuckey | thewanderer1: I mean, the same thing happens with every server. |
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| 21:19.22 | thewanderer1 | are you using a proxy? |
| 21:19.27 | stuckey | thewanderer1: no |
| 21:19.47 | g3brown | I have a drive that fsck shows is 56% non-contiguous. If I simply copy everything from that drive to another disk. Delete it from the primary and copy it back, would that fix it? or would I need to fsck or reformat inbetween? |
| 21:19.51 | thewanderer1 | hmm... perhaps your ISP has just sell their soul and net neutrality to a third party? |
| 21:20.01 | thewanderer1 | s/sell/sold/ |
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| 21:20.20 | g3brown | it is ext3 by the way. |
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| 21:20.40 | thewanderer1 | g3brown: better to create the filesystem from scratch again |
| 21:20.47 | ciscoemsi | hello |
| 21:20.49 | ciscoemsi | hello is anybody can help me I want to add the proxy address on my debian server to gain access to the internet |
| 21:21.04 | g3brown | thewanderer1: so, copy it, fdisk, format, then copy it back |
| 21:21.20 | thewanderer1 | g3brown: you don't need to run fdisk if you're gonna destroy the filesystem anyway |
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| 21:21.29 | thewanderer1 | and rebuild it |
| 21:21.33 | stuckey | thewanderer1: you're in the us and dmm works fine for you? |
| 21:21.47 | thewanderer1 | stuckey: I'm not and I haven't used dmm for quite some time I think... |
| 21:21.53 | g3brown | thewanderer1: so copy it, reformat, and then copy it back? :) |
| 21:22.02 | ciscoemsi | I want to know the command that allows me to add the proxy address |
| 21:22.07 | thewanderer1 | g3brown: yes. and reformat means just mkfs :P |
| 21:22.17 | g3brown | thewanderer1: thx |
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| 21:23.09 | thewanderer1 | hey, does this entry in exim paniclog look suspicious? "1Own1r-00030Q-MJ failed to open /dev/null: Permission denied" |
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| 21:23.45 | ciscoemsi | I want to add the proxy address on my debian server to gain access to the internet |
| 21:23.57 | thewanderer1 | ciscoemsi: sorry, your question was imprecise. what kind of proxy is this? what kind of "access" do you mean? |
| 21:24.09 | donvito | !member |
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| 21:26.43 | hyperutz | how can i tell my eth1 interface to be managed by other kernel driver....? |
| 21:27.01 | hyperutz | i have added an alias in /etc/modprobe.d/arch/i386... |
| 21:27.21 | hyperutz | then ? |
| 21:27.29 | hyperutz | or only a reboot may solve this / |
| 21:27.30 | hyperutz | ? |
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| 21:27.50 | thewanderer1 | rmmod, then modprobe |
| 21:28.21 | ciscoemsi | thewandererl:I want to add the proxy address on my debian server to gain access to the internet |
| 21:29.03 | ciscoemsi | the command that allow me to add http proxy server address for example the address of my proxy is squid http: 10.22.201.4 |
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| 21:29.28 | ciscoemsi | thewandererl:the command that allow me to add http proxy server address for example the address of my proxy is squid http: 10.22.201.4 |
| 21:29.33 | thewanderer1 | so you need a HTTP proxy, right? you will need to tell all programs individually to use this proxy... |
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| 21:29.52 | thewanderer1 | so every HTTP client has to be configured to use it |
| 21:30.12 | thewanderer1 | (you should really have got yourself a transparent Squid...) |
| 21:30.41 | mutante | there is PAC (proxy auto config) |
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| 21:32.27 | mutante | you put a PAC file on your server, browsers just set that file, so you can update the actual content and then on top of that: "Web Proxy Autodiscovery Protocol (WPAD): Let the browser guess the location of the PAC file through DHCP and DNS lookups. " |
| 21:32.33 | EvilGuru | Once a system has booted is there a command to prevent any kernel modules from being loaded/unloaded until the next restart? |
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| 21:33.20 | LaptopBrain | statically compile your kernel and remove the loadable modules feature in configuring it |
| 21:33.29 | LaptopBrain | :p |
| 21:33.34 | digi9_ | So I am attempting to get the tablet screen working on my new Thinkpad X201. I installed squeeze and updated to sid, but when I try to install wacom-tools, aptitude says it conflicts with xserver-xorg-input-wacom and wants to remove that + xserver-xorg-input-all. Has anyone in here installed on an X201? |
| 21:34.01 | EvilGuru | LaptopBrain: Something of a pain, and costs me quite a bit of flexibility |
| 21:35.21 | ciscoemsi | thewandererl:yes when I actually want to use firefox for instance add the address of the proxy settings in firefox networks. but what I want now is that I want to work there when I run mode command wget command I can download |
| 21:35.50 | flypiper | digi9_, did you install xserver-xorg-input-all and X won't run? |
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| 21:36.20 | KB1JWQ | Is it possible to use debootstrap on a Lenny box to bootstrap a Ubuntu chroot? I realize this is a bit of an oddball question. |
| 21:36.41 | petemc | should work fine |
| 21:36.54 | stew | KB1JWQ: sure ls /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts |
| 21:37.00 | digi9_ | flypiper: no, X runs fine |
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| 21:37.32 | KB1JWQ | stew: Thanks! |
| 21:37.34 | stew | KB1JWQ: if the one you want isn't there, grab a newer debootstrap (its just a script, so it will work) |
| 21:37.44 | KB1JWQ | I'm running the one from unstable. |
| 21:38.04 | KB1JWQ | stew: You're a wizard. Thanks! |
| 21:38.11 | g3brown | I'm in process of moving some data around (thx thewanderer1) and goign to reformat the drive. It's like 2.5TB and was wondering if I should go with ext4 this time around? Is ext4 considered stable/safe/whatever now? |
| 21:38.12 | thewanderer1 | hm. I've configured exim4 to put mail in ~/Maildir, but mutt reads mail from ~/Mail by default. how to override this? |
| 21:38.17 | stew | i cast magic missile |
| 21:38.37 | OpenTokix | ;) |
| 21:38.39 | flypiper | digi9_, did you try apt-get install wacom-tools? does that give you the same error? |
| 21:38.44 | thewanderer1 | g3brown: with Squeeze, yes |
| 21:39.05 | jelly-home | sees no robe or wizard hat |
| 21:39.51 | digi9_ | flypiper: same thing, yes, it wants to remove the input packages |
| 21:40.04 | g3brown | thewanderer1: I'm on 5.08 lenny i guess. |
| 21:40.30 | thewanderer1 | g3brown: then at least get 2.6.32 kernel from backports |
| 21:40.45 | g3brown | thewanderer1: it's 64-bit though if that matterrs. I only ask because mkfs.ext4 is available |
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| 21:41.01 | thewanderer1 | mkfs.ext4 will work with lenny, but you won't be able to mount that :P |
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| 21:42.34 | g3brown | thewanderer1: guess I stick with ext3 then until I upgrade it later. It mainly a file server, so I'm after stable/safe. |
| 21:42.52 | thewanderer1 | heh, yes. as always, MAKE BACKUPS :D |
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| 21:44.04 | g3brown | have the important stuff backed I use it to keep a cache of movies from Netflixs. The Blu-rays really chew up some space. |
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| 21:49.01 | jhutchins_lt | g3brown: You can run ext4 on lenny too, and if you're dealing with 4-6GB files on a 2.5TB system it might be worth while. |
| 21:49.11 | flypiper | digi9_, did you install the wacom xserver? xserver-xorg-input-wacom? |
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| 21:49.55 | thewanderer1 | how can I get a new mail notification on logon? |
| 21:49.57 | jhutchins_lt | g3brown: You will need the .32 kernel, but with that you have full support. |
| 21:50.07 | thewanderer1 | (mail is stored in a Maildir in my $HOME) |
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| 21:50.24 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: What delivers it? |
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| 21:50.40 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: exim4-daemon-light |
| 21:50.54 | jhutchins_lt | Do you get notifications on the console when you log in? |
| 21:51.00 | thewanderer1 | hmm nope |
| 21:51.09 | thewanderer1 | that's what I want to have :P |
| 21:51.20 | g3brown | jhutchins_lt: thewanderer1 mention I could mount ext if I update kernal. I probably should but I don't really feel like messing with kernal upgrades on this system. |
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| 21:51.49 | g3brown | jhutchins_lt: I guess squeeze woudl be stable enough for what I'm doing though. Maybe I'll consider that. |
| 21:52.24 | jhutchins_lt | g3brown: Is the system publicly exposed? |
| 21:52.26 | thewanderer1 | Squeeze is gonna be stable in a few days (at least according to the topic) :) |
| 21:52.48 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Rather squeeze is going to be released as stable in a few days. |
| 21:53.04 | thewanderer1 | yes, become "stable" :P |
| 21:53.08 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Which means it's highly UNstable right now as final fixes are rushed in. |
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| 21:53.27 | stew | its not highly unstable now at all |
| 21:53.27 | thewanderer1 | hm. I'm running it on all systems and it's rather fine :P |
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| 21:53.32 | stew | what is being rushed in? |
| 21:53.33 | jhutchins_lt | "become stable" implies a change in state which I think is unrealistic. |
| 21:53.53 | jhutchins_lt | stew: I'm getting close to 60 updates some days. |
| 21:53.54 | thewanderer1 | no, become "stable" as in acquire the name of the stable |
| 21:53.58 | stew | jhutchins_lt: no you aren't |
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| 21:54.19 | thewanderer1 | lintian is watching over anyway :) |
| 21:54.24 | g3brown | jhutchins_lt: no, just in my office/house |
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| 21:55.14 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Seems like I get at least 10-12 every other day. Depends on how often I check, but it's more than once a week. |
| 21:55.27 | g3brown | jhutchins_lt: you mean squeese is going to become the stable product in the next few days and lenny will be the old oen? |
| 21:55.35 | stew | oh, i didn't think you meant that 10 every other day was close to 60 a day |
| 21:55.47 | stew | g3brown: yes |
| 21:56.11 | jhutchins_lt | g3brown: Squeeze is going to be officially released on the 5th/6th. We seem to have some disagreement on what that means in terms of stability. |
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| 21:56.51 | stew | here is where you can see how much it has been changing recently: http://lists.debian.org/debian-testing-changes/ |
| 21:56.52 | g3brown | jhutchins: guess I jjust put this whole project off a week then. |
| 21:56.59 | jhutchins_lt | g3brown: Right now it runs pretty solidly for most people, but it's always nice to install it in a seperate partition and test it with your hardware and with how you use it. |
| 21:57.45 | g3brown | jhutchins_lt: I try to pick very stable/known working parts when I put together a Debian box. |
| 21:57.53 | stew | g3brown: installing squeeze today and installing squeeze a week from now won't be much different at all |
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| 21:59.14 | g3brown | stew: yeah, guess you're right. Not like I'm dieing to do it anyway, so I'll probably just wait for it to be official :) |
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| 22:00.00 | joelmob | joelmob: |
| 22:00.24 | joelmob | can anyone mention my name in chat, testing something |
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| 22:01.12 | moth_woman | joelmob |
| 22:01.12 | thewanderer1 | joelmob: do I get a cookie now? |
| 22:01.52 | joelmob | *gives you a cookie* |
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| 22:02.14 | thewanderer1 | saves it into Iceweasel's cookie dir |
| 22:02.19 | thewanderer1 | hey, this Maildir notification system will be easy. some stuff to put in /etc/profile... |
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| 22:04.11 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: I think the console login notification expects new mail to be in /var/spool/... |
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| 22:04.28 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: yes, it doesn't support Maildir... so I'm crafting my own |
| 22:05.19 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: There are gui notifiers. |
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| 22:05.34 | mrothhh | how do I fsck a lvm disk |
| 22:05.52 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: I know, but I a) don't use GMail and most in the repo are for GMail b) want to have this in console :P |
| 22:06.05 | thewanderer1 | mrothhh: you don't fsck disks. you fsck filesystems! |
| 22:06.10 | stew | mrothhh: you don't fsck disks, you fsck filesystems they contain. a filesystem contained in lvm is fscked any differently |
| 22:06.20 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Your search fu is weak. |
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| 22:06.27 | mrothhh | oh and do I do it via a live cd |
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| 22:06.45 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: hm, what did I miss? |
| 22:06.50 | mrothhh | k thanks bye |
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| 22:07.08 | stew | mrothhh: fsck /dev/whatever |
| 22:07.12 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: There's a whole handful of notifier daemons that predate gmail. |
| 22:07.30 | jhutchins_lt | I always figured I'd just fire up the client. |
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| 22:07.39 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: yes, and they connect via IMAP/POP3 and I want to watch the local Maildir :P |
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| 22:09.41 | jhutchins_lt | I wouldn't be surprised if the ones that don't only watch /var/spool/... |
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| 22:11.08 | jelly-home | biff y |
| 22:11.18 | moth_woman | hello which desktop enviroment will squeeze have by default? |
| 22:11.59 | thewanderer1 | the same as lenny, etch, sarge... |
| 22:12.07 | moth_woman | gnome |
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| 22:12.20 | thewanderer1 | yeah :P |
| 22:12.23 | stew | thewanderer1: are you sure? i'm not, we had some people in here saying the ended up with kde |
| 22:12.30 | moth_woman | gnome is to big for my old crappy computer |
| 22:12.30 | stew | but I never verified |
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| 22:12.38 | thewanderer1 | stew: I know... they probably downloaded the KDE disc :P |
| 22:12.58 | stew | moth_woman: you can just say that you want a "standard install" which doesn't have a gui, then install whatever you want afterward |
| 22:13.07 | stew | moth_woman: or you can grab the lxde installer |
| 22:13.25 | thewanderer1 | yeah I second LXDE - works fine for P3 933MHz 256MB RAM :P |
| 22:13.33 | moth_woman | stew ya I'm just now learning about that |
| 22:13.51 | moth_woman | I luv lxde |
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| 22:14.03 | jelly-home | !install lxde |
| 22:14.03 | dpkg | To install <LXDE> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: aptitude install lxde . To install using Debian-Installer: press the Tab key at d-i's boot prompt, then include desktop=lxde in the boot options. See also http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Debian |
| 22:14.45 | moth_woman | copy that |
| 22:15.03 | thewanderer1 | well, Squeeze has a nice menu for selecting this |
| 22:15.22 | thewanderer1 | this factoid seems to reflect Lenny's d-i |
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| 22:15.43 | thewanderer1 | yay, my mailbox notifier works :P |
| 22:17.21 | messn | moth_woman: there is an iso image that includes xfce and lxde on debian cdimage site |
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| 22:17.54 | moth_woman | messn that's awsome I'm going back to debian |
| 22:18.18 | moth_woman | I have pureos |
| 22:18.22 | moth_woman | and knoppix |
| 22:18.43 | thewanderer1 | hey what do I need to put in /etc/profile to source /etc/profile.d? can anyone paste the line from the default config? |
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| 22:28.12 | jones | should i wait until squeeze is released to install? |
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| 22:28.53 | thewanderer1 | aww help, I've lost the mouse pointer... |
| 22:29.08 | thewanderer1 | it was in a VNC client (hidden) and now it doesn't show back up :D |
| 22:29.12 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: It's right there next to the lxde link! |
| 22:30.13 | thewanderer1 | huh, it's back from the dead pixel land |
| 22:30.38 | babilen | jones: You can install Squeeze now. http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual + http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ -- Or you wait until Saturday/Sunday. Your choice :) |
| 22:30.51 | jones | thanks |
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| 22:31.13 | jones | my birthday is around the 6th too :D |
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| 22:32.41 | babilen | yay! jones v32.0! |
| 22:33.10 | thewanderer1 | how to restart the login process? |
| 22:33.54 | thewanderer1 | (I have 6 vtys and logins on them - would like to restart that) |
| 22:35.34 | thewanderer1 | hm, killing them didn't help. I've configured pam_issue.so to display an alternative file, but it still shows Debian 6.0 blah blah |
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| 22:36.00 | chron_ | asdf |
| 22:36.07 | thewanderer1 | yeah right |
| 22:36.40 | chron_ | is parted supposed to fail on large harddisks? |
| 22:36.43 | chron_ | i have a 160 gb |
| 22:36.48 | ram0 | What is the codename for 'squeeze'? |
| 22:36.53 | chron_ | Error: /dev/sda: unrecognised disk label |
| 22:37.15 | dotnick | ram0: squeeze? |
| 22:37.44 | ram0 | dotnick: the next release |
| 22:37.56 | thewanderer1 | ram0: the codename is squeeze :) |
| 22:38.10 | ram0 | (o) |
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| 22:38.16 | thewanderer1 | chron_: no, parted is supposed to work on anything from a few MB to many TB |
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| 22:38.57 | thewanderer1 | perhaps it really doesn't have a disk label? :P |
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| 22:43.23 | chron_ | thewanderer1: how do you create a disk label? i just wiped this harddisk |
| 22:43.48 | thewanderer1 | chron_: doesn't parted offer an option for this? if not, and you want MBR, then use fdisk |
| 22:45.00 | chron_ | i'm trying to script parted |
| 22:45.19 | thewanderer1 | I don't really know parted, sorry |
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| 22:46.38 | eldowan | chron_: mlabel will label partitions, if you don't want to use parted |
| 22:47.18 | chron_ | ah i see now |
| 22:47.25 | chron_ | i can just make a label or /dev/sda |
| 22:47.28 | chron_ | then create partitions? |
| 22:47.32 | chron_ | i think that's the problem? |
| 22:47.49 | chron_ | can you give me proper mlabel syntax? |
| 22:47.55 | chron_ | mlabel /dev/sda ? |
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| 22:50.33 | jimmybgood | chron_: parted /dev/sda mklabel msdos ? |
| 22:50.43 | chron_ | yea thanks i got it |
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| 22:54.24 | thewanderer1 | I understand that it uses Linux namespaces, but... is there a benefit to it? |
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| 22:59.08 | deitarion | What would the best way be to get a list of all installed packages that aren't being pulled in my dependencies? (Preferrably, something that can be fed back in if necessary, but it's not essential) |
| 22:59.36 | deitarion | I know about "dpkg --get-selections" but it seems to list all packages. |
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| 23:00.34 | deitarion | Basically, I'm looking for something analogous to taking a copy of the /var/lib/portage/world file on a Gentoo system. |
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| 23:03.52 | thewanderer1 | can Icedove read mail from a Maildir? |
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| 23:05.46 | SuperMiguel | how friendly is debian with engineering tools? |
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| 23:07.30 | emper0r | hi i upgrade distro and i have bit packages unstalling i guess because i lost action when right clic on background and can't set themes, background, icons and thouse stuff how can i fix it? |
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| 23:18.30 | Bushmills | install those again |
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| 23:27.46 | thewanderer1 | how to turn off icon scaling in GNOME? I like them all of equal sizes |
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| 23:36.57 | KB1JWQ | Running with apt-proxy, http://pastebin.com/2qKbHWeZ is apparently not the proper sources.list syntax. A little help? :-D |
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| 23:51.54 | congerro | hi, i have problems with patching a debian packet from 2006. the patch doesn't patch files in subdirectories |
| 23:52.18 | congerro | https://www.securehost.com/mirror/debian/pool/main/n/nurbs++/ <-- here are the files |
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| 23:54.42 | Makuew | Hello, i am installing squeeze on a server and i configured it to use All on / with raid10. But it seems like it fails under the installation of lilo or grub. Does that mean raid10 is not supported on the bootloader and i need to use a seperate boot partition and have it as raid1? |
| 23:54.50 | SuperMiguel | when is debian 6.0 comming out? |
| 23:54.55 | Makuew | It is out |
| 23:55.44 | ranix | !siyh |
| 23:55.44 | dpkg | siyh is, like, Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org/ , http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
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| 23:56.22 | babilen | SuperMiguel: this weekend is expected |
| 23:56.46 | SuperMiguel | babilen, cool |
| 23:57.15 | Makuew | I dont get it, debian 6.0 squeeze is out as beta? |
| 23:57.23 | Makuew | is there a newer version comming? |
| 23:57.37 | SuperMiguel | Makuew, well squeeze is on a testing state |
| 23:57.55 | SuperMiguel | Makuew, it was frozzen a while ago, and its ready to be the stable release |
| 23:58.02 | Makuew | Ok, but it will be easy to upgrade to the stable one once its out? |
| 23:58.08 | babilen | Makuew: There has been a rc2 of the installer. |
| 23:58.24 | babilen | Makuew: Yes, the process is detailed in the release notes. |
| 23:58.31 | babilen | !tell Makuew -about squeeze release notes |
| 23:58.45 | Makuew | ok |
| 23:58.48 | SuperMiguel | !tell SuperMiguel -about squeeze release notes |
| 23:58.48 | ranix | Makuew: apt has a built-in dist-upgrade feature for upgrading a live release to the next version |
| 23:58.53 | ranix | downgrading is not supported |
| 23:59.27 | SuperMiguel | basically all you need to to do is apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:59.33 | SuperMiguel | and you will be good to go :_ |
