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| 00:00.53 | babilen | !tell SuperMiguel -about selftell |
| 00:00.56 | babilen | ;) |
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| 00:01.19 | SuperMiguel | bah |
| 00:01.37 | ranix | also if you just about instead of -about, dpkg will tell you what he told your target |
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| 00:02.44 | SuperMiguel | -about |
| 00:02.52 | SuperMiguel | :P |
| 00:03.04 | babilen | ranix: sshh, those are "advanced" features, not to be revealed to padavans ... |
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| 00:03.46 | ranix | that's disgusting babilen, there are no pedo vans here |
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| 00:04.17 | phoul | i have a laptop running debian squeeze, and every so often the wireless connection kicks off. It uses the ath9k driver. When the wireless goes out network manager and wicd both report it as still running with X amount of signal strength, however no connections can be made to the internet or locally until it is reloaded. How can i fix this. |
| 00:04.28 | babilen | !lart ranix |
| 00:04.28 | dpkg | takes out a cattle prod and gives ranix a good jolt |
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| 00:04.57 | SuperMiguel | there arent any system with debian preinstalleD? |
| 00:05.41 | babilen | SuperMiguel: There are. I don't have a link ready, but you can buy some systems with Debian (and other linux distros) pre-installed. |
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| 00:06.38 | SuperMiguel | i always hear about sys76 |
| 00:06.42 | SuperMiguel | but its only ubuntu |
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| 00:07.12 | zumbi | SuperMiguel: http://www.debian.org/distrib/pre-installed |
| 00:07.43 | phoul | no one has any ideas? |
| 00:08.43 | SuperMiguel | phoul, wa was ur quesiton? |
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| 00:08.54 | SuperMiguel | ohh wireless one, let me read it |
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| 00:09.31 | SuperMiguel | phoul, try to use only one manager, wicd or network manager |
| 00:09.38 | phoul | i am using only one |
| 00:09.43 | phoul | ive just tried both on seperate occasions. |
| 00:09.56 | SuperMiguel | phoul, um |
| 00:10.12 | phoul | please dont guess. |
| 00:11.54 | babilen | phoul: has the bug been reported? could you report it? does it happen with newer kernels? |
| 00:12.10 | phoul | happens on every kernel ive used under squeeze. |
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| 00:12.19 | jhutchins_lt | phoul: Happens to me too, atheros adapter managed by kde4 nm applet & network-manager. |
| 00:12.29 | phoul | heh |
| 00:12.38 | _newb | i just put an old drive into a new debian (lenny) system.. can somebody show me how to access it to copy the contents off? |
| 00:12.45 | jhutchins_lt | More often associated with screensaver/hibernate, but not always. |
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| 00:13.01 | phoul | It makes it more or less unusable for what i need, it didnt do this under other distros. |
| 00:13.08 | phoul | :( |
| 00:13.46 | jhutchins_lt | Squeeze has only had the .32 kernel as long as I've known about it. |
| 00:13.59 | phoul | yes, it does. However ive also tried the liquorix kernel |
| 00:14.00 | babilen | phoul: Wich kernel versions did you try it with? |
| 00:14.03 | stew | phoul: is there newer firmware available? |
| 00:14.05 | ranix | phoul: if you have another distribution it works in, see if your firmware package is a different version or if your kernel is a different version or something similar |
| 00:14.25 | phoul | it uses the ath9k driver from the linux kernel.. |
| 00:14.38 | babilen | phoul: You might also want to look into newer versions of firmware-atheros -- maybe in combination with a newer (>.32) kernel |
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| 00:15.14 | phoul | that is a binary firmware for atheros chipsets =\ different from ath9k isnt it |
| 00:15.14 | ranix | the .32 kernel is available in squeeze or bpo iirc |
| 00:15.20 | babilen | phoul: You could try .37 from experimental |
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| 00:15.57 | babilen | phoul: There might have been a newer version of firmware-atheros (at least packaged), but there is not (just checked) |
| 00:16.18 | phoul | babilen: i dont think i even have firmware-atheros installed |
| 00:16.28 | phoul | ohh yeah i do nvm |
| 00:16.38 | phoul | i thought ath9k was open |
| 00:16.38 | jhutchins_lt | I don't. |
| 00:17.03 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: lenny/squeeze? |
| 00:17.07 | SuperMiguel | is there ssd trim support in debina? |
| 00:17.11 | SuperMiguel | debian* |
| 00:17.13 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: Yup. |
| 00:17.21 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: which? |
| 00:17.23 | jhutchins_lt | squeeze, sorry. |
| 00:17.28 | babilen | hehe |
| 00:17.29 | _newb | i just put an old drive into a new debian (lenny) system.. can somebody show me how to access it to copy the contents off? |
| 00:17.43 | jhutchins_lt | AR9285 |
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| 00:18.02 | phoul | i wish i could figure this out :( |
| 00:18.03 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: is the module complaining about missing firmware? if yes â install firmware package |
| 00:18.07 | jhutchins_lt | _newb: fdisk -l, mount the partions wherever you like, copy off with rsync. |
| 00:18.13 | phoul | its the only issue im having, but its big enough to mean i need to install something else >.< |
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| 00:18.19 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: Nope, works most of the time. |
| 00:18.19 | stew | _newb: do you know the device name? (something like /dev/sdc or /dev/hdb) |
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| 00:18.50 | _newb | um.. i have a new PCI-to-SCSI card in there.. how do i find out what's the new drive, and what's the existing hdd/partitions? |
| 00:19.08 | jhutchins_lt | _newb: fdisk -l |
| 00:19.16 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: the module should complain every time -- but i guess it won't work at all if it needed the firmware. but i would grep for "firmware" in dmesg |
| 00:19.35 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: That's what I figure. |
| 00:19.46 | _newb | jhutchins_lt: i don't know how to read the output :( |
| 00:19.52 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: No firmware in dmesg |
| 00:20.03 | stew | _newb: can you put it in a pastebin where we could help? |
| 00:20.36 | _newb | stew: yes please :) |
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| 00:20.44 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: I did have to use the squeeze installer, kmuto didn't support the AR8132 wired adapter. |
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| 00:21.15 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: yeah, and no firmware for ar8132 in firmware-atheros |
| 00:21.16 | _newb | jhutchins_lt / stew: http://pastebin.com/AsuPjf3D |
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| 00:22.05 | stew | _newb: you are looking for your windows partition? |
| 00:22.25 | jhutchins_lt | _newb: hda has linux and swap partitions, that looks like the system drive. hdb has Dell Utility and NTFS. |
| 00:22.35 | stew | _newb: its appears to be /dev/hdb2 ; if you were to, for instance "mount /dev/hdb2 /mnt" you'd expect it to show up in /mnt |
| 00:23.12 | jhutchins_lt | _newb: find somewhere to mount /dev/hdb2 -t ntfs - I'd use /mnt myself, I'm lazy. You can also create a location, mkdir /mnt/ntfs |
| 00:23.29 | jhutchins_lt | Then mount /dev/hdb2 /mnt/ntfs -t ntfs |
| 00:23.48 | jhutchins_lt | _newb: It will be read-only, that's fine for grabbing the data. |
| 00:23.52 | _newb | stew / jhutchins_lt: the new system drive is 160gb, the old one was about 9gb ... is that a clue? |
| 00:24.06 | jhutchins_lt | _newb: rsync -av /mnt/ntfs/* /place/you/want/the/files/ |
| 00:24.07 | stew | _newb: yes, /dev/hdb2 is on a 20gig drive |
| 00:24.30 | _newb | stew / jhutchins_lt: i think debian created two partitions on the new drive, for whatever reason.. i dunno how many were in the old drive |
| 00:24.36 | jhutchins_lt | _newb: We know you're not running linux off of hdb, it doesn't have linux on it. |
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| 00:24.57 | homecable | how do i dhcpd Multiple IPs to one network card ? |
| 00:25.09 | _newb | jhutchins_lt: okay.. well the drive i'm after is 9gb. there might be a 20gb drive in there, that i'm not using either :( sorry .. should have said that first. |
| 00:25.15 | stew | _newb: yes, linux created a swap partition and the rest on another partition. the second drive has on partition about 19 gigs, and a partition labelled as "dell utility" which is probably a recovery image |
| 00:25.50 | stew | _newb: how is this other drive attached? usb? |
| 00:26.01 | _newb | stew: look down on the bottom (Disk /dev/sda: 9105 MB, 9105018368 bytes) .. that's the one i'm after, i believe. |
| 00:26.13 | _newb | stew: it's connected via that PCI-to-SCSI cable i just installed |
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| 00:26.26 | jhutchins_lt | _newb: In that case, you need to unplug the USB cable, run dmest | tail -10, plug it in and run the same command again. |
| 00:26.29 | stew | _newb: yeah, the 9 gig drive has /dev/sda1 which would be the one you are after |
| 00:26.50 | stew | _newb: so "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt" and "ls /mnt" you should see the contents in /mnt |
| 00:26.57 | _newb | jhutchins_lt: it's not plugged in via USB, it's a PCI card w/ PCI-to-SCSI cable |
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| 00:27.10 | _newb | stew: i'm trying that now (thanks)... |
| 00:27.14 | jhutchins_lt | _newb: D'Oh! There it is right there. |
| 00:27.18 | jhutchins_lt | _newb: Nevermind. |
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| 00:27.42 | _newb | jhutchins_lt: dude.. i appreciate ur help anyhow :) thx!! |
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| 00:28.27 | _newb | stew / jhutchins_lt: http://pastebin.com/q6wBerkN |
| 00:28.29 | _newb | :( |
| 00:28.32 | streuner | !ur |
| 00:28.32 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a word meaning "from within". A german prefix for refering to something very old. Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For Debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
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| 00:29.00 | stew | _newb: ls /mnt, not just ls |
| 00:29.08 | stew | _newb: err nm |
| 00:29.15 | stew | _newb: cd /disk2 ; ls |
| 00:29.31 | stew | _newb: (yes, that won't make sense to you since you are already in /disk2, do it anyway) |
| 00:29.40 | kva | well, I tried it and it worker, bug seems to disappear with 2.6.32 but with 2.6.37 I got a black screen and no more |
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| 00:29.57 | kva | *worked |
| 00:30.01 | _newb | OMFG |
| 00:30.04 | stew | _newb: your ls was looking at the *old* /disk2 from before you mounted it |
| 00:31.18 | _newb | stew / jhutchins_lt: y'all are both GD genii ... thank you so much for your help |
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| 00:39.07 | kandinski | I changed the permissions on /etc/sudoers by mistake, and now I can't gain root on my own machine: |
| 00:39.11 | kandinski | candyman@alfa:~$ sudo su |
| 00:39.11 | kandinski | sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0644, should be 0440 |
| 00:39.11 | kandinski | candyman@alfa:~$ |
| 00:39.43 | babilen | kandinski: "su" â root password â fixit |
| 00:39.53 | kandinski | that's when you have the root password |
| 00:40.02 | babilen | you don |
| 00:40.04 | babilen | 't? |
| 00:40.17 | kandinski | nope, I'm afraid |
| 00:40.26 | ranix | restart in single user mode |
| 00:40.28 | kandinski | remote server handed down by someone else |
| 00:40.44 | kandinski | ok, so I have to ask someone at the datacenter to change the root passwd for me and send it to me? |
| 00:40.48 | stew | kandinski: do you have remote console capability? |
| 00:40.59 | stew | kandinski: otherise, yes |
| 00:41.09 | kandinski | stew: unfortunately no. Thanks, I'll keep pestering the datacenter. |
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| 00:41.13 | kandinski | Thanks everyone. |
| 00:41.19 | babilen | good luck |
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| 00:42.07 | burd | Are there any new window managers that look promising that have come out in the last year or two, particularly in squeeze? |
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| 00:42.32 | nevyn | ion |
| 00:43.21 | stew | ion? that hasn''t come out in the last year, and it isn't free |
| 00:43.38 | ranix | the short answer is no |
| 00:43.45 | ranix | the long answer is probably not |
| 00:44.21 | babilen | wasn't there the e17 1.0 release? |
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| 00:44.30 | burd | Okay thank you.. on the hunt for a kde replacement the Squeeze KDE is not going to work at all on my older equipment |
| 00:45.21 | babilen | burd: try lxde, fluxbox, e17, awesomewm, wmii, dwm |
| 00:45.25 | Tux^verdreifelt | KDE replacement? |
| 00:45.30 | Tux^verdreifelt | xfce or lxde |
| 00:45.43 | _newb | stew: thanks again for your help, man.. u rock |
| 00:45.46 | Tux^verdreifelt | although i, personally, stick with awesome |
| 00:45.50 | ranix | e17 is not in queeze really |
| 00:45.52 | _newb | jhutchins_lt: you too, dude.. thanks SOOO much! |
| 00:45.53 | Tux^verdreifelt | which has not much in common with KDE anyway |
| 00:46.04 | ranix | you can install it from the enlightenment repositories |
| 00:46.20 | ranix | I haven't used enlightenment for 12 years, I honetly forgot about it |
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| 00:46.56 | stew | and 12 years ago i was constantly checking their news page to see if e17 was coming out yet |
| 00:46.58 | burd | well I'm not even looking for anything in common really.. just looking for soemthing relatively refined and friendly.. |
| 00:47.09 | babilen | ranix: It was the hype 8 years ago, but they just released e17 1.0 (that is why i heard about it) |
| 00:47.31 | babilen | burd: lxde or xfce (/me recommends lxde for whatever reason) |
| 00:47.54 | burd | excellent thank you.. just looking for pointers because I havent done the WM dance in a few years |
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| 00:48.16 | babilen | burd: lxde is not a wm but a very lightweight desktop environment |
| 00:48.34 | burd | oops yah.. |
| 00:48.43 | ranix | xfce4 helps me avoid the WM dance |
| 00:48.50 | babilen | !tell burd about lxde |
| 00:48.58 | ranix | it can be quickly configured back to my preferences without having to fux with conf files |
| 00:49.33 | Tux^verdreifelt | that's one of the major issues with WMs |
| 00:49.45 | Tux^verdreifelt | you have the choice: easy configuration or great features |
| 00:49.45 | Tux^verdreifelt | :x |
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| 00:51.33 | burd | I'm gonna have to hold services for KDE3 before long.. sure will miss it.. been a trusty friend for 10 years |
| 00:52.02 | babilen | burd: If you want to hold on to it you should know about the "Trinity" project |
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| 00:52.15 | burd | Oh?!?! |
| 00:52.18 | babilen | burd: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/ |
| 00:53.02 | babilen | not supported in here (and by upstream kde) -- but there you go. Can't comment on their packages or anything really .. |
| 00:53.21 | burd | hmmm scary |
| 00:53.23 | themill | security support is apparently quite patchy |
| 00:53.34 | burd | They are my kind of people aparently :D |
| 00:53.44 | burd | in liking kde3 anyhow |
| 00:54.13 | themill | It would be much more productive if they spent their time improving kde4 rather than trying to write a shim layer for qt3 to wrap around qt4. |
| 00:54.25 | burd | I actually like 4 but man it tasks older and slower machines sooo bad.... and every time I turn a corner in it I find some buggy messed up behavior |
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| 00:55.12 | themill | burd: I actually find it's often faster than kde3 on older machines. You need to go easy on the wobbly windows etc though |
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| 00:55.45 | burd | themill, yah I have everything shut off.. netbook mode is a slooow doggy experience for me |
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| 00:56.08 | themill | never tried netbook mode |
| 00:56.09 | jhutchins_lt | 4.4 starts to be usable on older stuff, pre 4.4 is a bad joke, post 4.4 is even better. |
| 00:56.11 | burd | plus like I said.. every time I turn around using something made for it I experience goofy buggy stuff |
| 00:56.32 | themill | burd: there are a few too many rough edges, yes. |
| 00:56.44 | jhutchins_lt | burd: I've got it on an acer one with a 1g N450 atom, works ok. |
| 00:57.07 | burd | yah on my old ooold 900mhz netbook with 1GB ram it is tedious |
| 00:57.47 | burd | do any of you play with xdmcp with it? I can't get the desktop to render right when I connect |
| 00:57.54 | burd | oops xrdp |
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| 01:10.45 | whatthefuzz | #join rhel |
| 01:10.58 | whatthefuzz | uh ignore |
| 01:11.11 | whatthefuzz | i wasnt going to rhel i swear |
| 01:11.20 | whatthefuzz | im not a redcoat |
| 01:13.46 | babilen | whatthefuzz: it's OK, nothing to be ashamed of |
| 01:14.36 | whatthefuzz | ;p |
| 01:17.10 | kdog | burd: www.openbox.org might be to your liking. It looked promising when I was looking around. |
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| 01:53.32 | stew | !qotd0 |
| 01:53.32 | dpkg | perlmonkey: grow a sense of humor |
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| 01:59.13 | dvs | I guess freenode is snowed in. |
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| 02:12.46 | SuperMiguel | any electric engineer here? |
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| 02:18.05 | techie26 | electrical engineer? you trying to get the generator going? |
| 02:18.54 | dvs | trying to fix the Sandy Bridge bug |
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| 02:19.14 | duet | hello everyone |
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| 02:20.22 | Some_Person | SuperMiguel: Do a few crappy wiring splices with duct tape count? |
| 02:22.14 | duet | can anyone recommend a good bittorrent site? |
| 02:22.26 | Some_Person | !o4o | duet |
| 02:22.41 | Some_Person | dammit, I knew I'd do that in here sometime |
| 02:22.52 | Some_Person | I'm still used to ubottu |
| 02:24.29 | duet | Some_Person:o4o= Older people for Older people? |
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| 02:25.44 | Some_Person | o4o = ubottu's command for bad discussions |
| 02:25.53 | Some_Person | And no, I don't know why it's called that |
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| 02:26.48 | duet | where there are some legal torrents so its not all bad |
| 02:26.54 | duet | *well |
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| 02:27.25 | Some_Person | Sure, but can you name a single 100% legal "torrent site"? |
| 02:27.50 | supaplex | linux iso mirrors |
| 02:28.27 | duet | http://www.legittorrents.info/ |
| 02:29.31 | duet | http://www.clearbits.net/ |
| 02:30.35 | duet | http://www.publicdomaintorrents.net/ |
| 02:30.51 | supaplex | okay, you can stop. :P |
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| 02:31.32 | duet | okat |
| 02:31.36 | duet | okay |
| 02:31.37 | Some_Person | All right, you proved your point |
| 02:31.38 | duet | sorry |
| 02:32.18 | duet | stop the presses popeye for president is in the public domain |
| 02:32.22 | streuner | torrent site for what? |
| 02:32.35 | streuner | 99 percent is pr0n anyway :-) |
| 02:32.49 | duet | no |
| 02:32.54 | duet | im just bored i guess |
| 02:33.57 | streuner | a good sign in order to get relax, a bad sign if that take too long :-) |
| 02:34.06 | Some_Person | It's my fault for assuming that "torrent site" = illegal activity |
| 02:34.20 | duet | its usually true |
| 02:34.32 | streuner | uh, who mention fault, we just discussing... |
| 02:34.41 | duet | i was kind of looking for an old game for my wife |
| 02:34.47 | amphi | !blame Some_Person |
| 02:34.47 | dpkg | blames RecQuery and Some_Person for the end of life as we know it |
| 02:34.55 | siriusnova | Debian 6 |
| 02:34.58 | siriusnova | GO GO GO ! |
| 02:35.02 | Some_Person | But life is still going.... |
| 02:35.12 | streuner | duet: there are lots of newer games which should be interesting as well |
| 02:35.24 | duet | she wants to play diskworld again but i am having trouble finding it completely in english |
| 02:35.49 | duet | streuner: i think she is looking for something nastalgic |
| 02:36.01 | siriusnova | when is debian 6 coming out? |
| 02:36.15 | streuner | when its ready, dont ask :-P |
| 02:36.26 | siriusnova | :< |
| 02:36.40 | dvs | siriusnova: during the SuperBowl! ;-) |
| 02:36.43 | streuner | duet: i know that feeling, but most games arent available anymore, specially for Debian |
| 02:36.44 | siriusnova | lol |
| 02:36.57 | siriusnova | debian 6 is going to be SO epic |
| 02:36.58 | duet | steuner i works in dosbox |
| 02:36.58 | Some_Person | duet: Try an abandonware site, like home of the underdogs or abandonia (these are at least "grey area" legal) |
| 02:37.23 | anigma | http://pastebin.com/sVRygMaZ -- Does this mean that I have to install the listed packages in order to install spotify? |
| 02:37.25 | duet | streuner it works in dosbox but i cant find it completely in english |
| 02:37.55 | duet | Some_Person: i have that version but it only has midi sound and no voice acting |
| 02:38.31 | duet | Some_Person: i have another version with english voice acting and everything in french |
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| 02:38.57 | duet | Some_Person: i was hoping to find a torrent of just the english version |
| 02:39.10 | streuner | uh, games? |
| 02:39.18 | streuner | maybe pr0n |
| 02:39.49 | streuner | but for an old game, i would look at google... |
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| 02:40.23 | duet | i have been looking at everything google has to offer |
| 02:40.28 | streuner | sure |
| 02:40.31 | duet | i am not pleased |
| 02:41.32 | SuperMiguel | bootchart doesnt exist anymore? |
| 02:41.55 | stew | judd: versions bootchart |
| 02:41.57 | judd | Package bootchart on i386 -- lenny: 0.10~svn407-3; sid: 0.10~svn407-3.3 |
| 02:42.05 | stew | SuperMiguel: /msg dpkg why is bootchart not in testing |
| 02:42.46 | streuner | SuperMiguel: so you are using Squeeze? |
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| 02:43.00 | SuperMiguel | streuner, correct |
| 02:43.14 | SuperMiguel | is there something else replacing bootchart? |
| 02:43.15 | streuner | hm, look what stew told you then |
| 02:43.49 | streuner | just make a simple sid backport (/msg dpkg ssb) |
| 02:43.55 | stew | SuperMiguel: actually dpkg isn't going to give you a good answer about why it is not in testing, but it was removed from testing because of this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=521437 |
| 02:44.22 | stew | (which has since been fixed, but not until after squeeze was frozen) |
| 02:44.40 | SuperMiguel | stew, gotcha |
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| 02:45.46 | SuperMiguel | so just do a sid backport as streuner recommended? and install it |
| 02:45.47 | SuperMiguel | ? |
| 02:46.00 | streuner | sure, why not? |
| 02:46.21 | streuner | if you are care what the bug says... |
| 02:46.52 | SuperMiguel | well stew said it got fixed |
| 02:47.04 | stew | actually it was never a bug in bootchart, it looks like |
| 02:47.17 | stew | nothing was fixed, the bug was just closed |
| 02:47.27 | SuperMiguel | ohhh i miss understood |
| 02:47.36 | SuperMiguel | is there a replacement that does the same? |
| 02:47.44 | streuner | !info bootchart |
| 02:47.46 | dpkg | bootchart: (Boot process performance analyser), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.10~svn407-3.3 (sid), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 132 kB |
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| 02:47.56 | streuner | omg |
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| 02:48.08 | stew | SuperMiguel: there is no replacement, the one in unstable is the exact same build that was removed from testing |
| 02:48.15 | schutzstaffel | hello |
| 02:48.19 | SuperMiguel | gotcha |
| 02:48.29 | amphi | streuner: heh |
| 02:48.52 | stew | http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/bootchart.html <- uploaded to unstable, migrated to testing, removed from testing, no new uploads since then |
| 02:49.03 | streuner | amphi: its so pointless not waiting a few seconds, IMO |
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| 02:49.55 | streuner | amphi: even with a laptop i have uptimes about 3-4 weeks... |
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| 02:50.10 | rooby | hi all, for the purpose of an essay, is there any link between linux and social distortion? |
| 02:50.22 | amphi | streuner: aye - my laptop only reboots for a new kernel |
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| 02:51.36 | amphi | rooby: you mean moral turpitude? |
| 02:52.21 | rooby | my english is bad, what does that mean? |
| 02:52.37 | streuner | dpkg, spell turpitude |
| 02:52.39 | dpkg | 'turpitude' may be spelled correctly |
| 02:52.44 | streuner | hm |
| 02:53.09 | streuner | just try wikipedia english and translate it in your language? |
| 02:53.18 | amphi | rooby: 'depravity' moreorless |
| 02:54.02 | amphi | but depravity is offtopic, sadly |
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| 02:54.46 | rooby | f that i'm talking about social distortion, wars, conflict |
| 02:57.10 | supaplex | and dpkg's mom? |
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| 02:57.54 | rooby | funny supaplex, can linux cause social distortion? |
| 02:58.02 | t3a | this may sound like a dumb question, but is / stored in the "boot" partition? |
| 02:58.08 | supaplex | it's all marketing. the rest is just details. |
| 02:58.16 | amphi | t3a: no |
| 02:58.39 | amphi | t3a: / is the root of the filesystem tree |
| 02:58.51 | t3a | ya i know that |
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| 02:59.01 | streuner | t3a: whats the exact question? |
| 02:59.02 | t3a | then why would parted only list boot and another partition |
| 02:59.09 | t3a | here |
| 02:59.14 | rooby | it's all marketing!!!!? |
| 02:59.24 | supaplex | !tell rooby about ot |
| 02:59.33 | amphi | t3a: perhaps you are misreading, and 'boot' is the bootable flag |
| 02:59.44 | t3a | oh wow |
| 02:59.47 | t3a | im dumb |
| 02:59.50 | t3a | http://pastie.org/1523798 |
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| 02:59.55 | t3a | ya amphi |
| 02:59.57 | t3a | youre right |
| 03:00.30 | amphi | have an apostrophe |
| 03:00.48 | t3a | so sda1 is where / is? |
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| 03:01.18 | streuner | just show us your partitions via "fdisk -l" |
| 03:01.41 | amphi | probably, but you should look at /etc/fstab |
| 03:03.26 | t3a | streuner, im trying to resize, and here is what it says, but parted is much simpler http://pastie.org/1523803 |
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| 03:04.16 | t3a | amphi, Error: /etc/fstab: unrecognised disk label |
| 03:04.34 | smacnay | Is the evolution mail client still developed or is it slipping a bit? |
| 03:05.00 | t3a | if i change the start a partition, will it erase all data at the start? |
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| 03:05.10 | t3a | *start of a |
| 03:05.12 | amphi | t3a: you would need to mount the partition to examine fstab (if it's on it) |
| 03:05.54 | streuner | sda1 looks to me like a boot partition |
| 03:06.20 | t3a | is it where / is? |
| 03:06.26 | streuner | no |
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| 03:06.40 | streuner | 248 MB isnt enough |
| 03:06.58 | un214 | isn't debian core 100mb |
| 03:07.02 | t3a | then why would it say i only have two then? |
| 03:07.20 | un214 | can't /usr be its own partition for a very tiny /? |
| 03:07.22 | streuner | somebody used that in the debian-installer? |
| 03:07.35 | streuner | sure, but unlikely |
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| 03:07.52 | t3a | no, i only have separate / and /home partitions |
| 03:08.00 | streuner | hm |
| 03:08.27 | streuner | well, you made a tiny / then |
| 03:08.29 | t3a | could it be because it is unmounted |
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| 03:09.03 | t3a | so / is the one with the boot flag? |
| 03:09.32 | streuner | if you are sure about what you told us before, yes. |
| 03:09.39 | stew | t3a: linux bootloaders (with very few exceptions) ignore the boot flag, you should too |
| 03:09.55 | t3a | okay and back to my older question |
| 03:09.59 | t3a | if i change the start a partition, will it erase all data at the start? |
| 03:10.17 | supaplex | parted will shift the data if need be (if it can) |
| 03:10.19 | stew | EPARSE |
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| 03:10.34 | t3a | okay |
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| 03:11.29 | t3a | is there anything i should do before i resize? |
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| 03:11.53 | supaplex | sell your stocks? wash your socks? |
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| 03:12.40 | supaplex | make reliable backups. :) |
| 03:13.23 | streuner | for 248 MB, you dont have important data then :-P |
| 03:13.26 | t3a | ya, i figured that |
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| 03:13.47 | t3a | i have a backed up home partition that has at least 100gb |
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| 03:16.02 | t3a | http://pastie.org/1523812 |
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| 03:19.52 | streuner | t3a: looks very well to me :-P |
| 03:20.08 | streuner | t3a: what kind of FS do you use? |
| 03:20.09 | t3a | supaplex, stew, amphi does it matter if I have an LVM |
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| 03:20.25 | t3a | i use ext3 i think, lemme check |
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| 03:21.26 | t3a | sda-2 is crypt-luks |
| 03:23.48 | duet | why is it so hard to find a good irc client for windows that is free |
| 03:24.05 | streuner | X-Chat? |
| 03:24.16 | duet | isnt that the one you have to pay for? |
| 03:24.17 | t3a | that's what i was about to say |
| 03:24.23 | t3a | no |
| 03:24.27 | t3a | lol |
| 03:24.32 | streuner | duet: nah, there are some packages which are free |
| 03:24.55 | streuner | there are limit versions and free versions out there |
| 03:25.50 | amphi | duet: http://irssi.org/files/irssi-win32-0.8.12.exe ;) |
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| 03:26.26 | t3a | whats the most free OS |
| 03:26.29 | un214 | have you tried http://www.cygwin.com? |
| 03:26.31 | duet | amphi: thank you very much |
| 03:26.40 | duet | amphi: this is awesome |
| 03:26.40 | un214 | t3a: GNU Hurd |
| 03:26.57 | duet | is cygwin still being developed? |
| 03:26.58 | t3a | what is unfree in debian |
| 03:27.00 | amphi | duet: I just thought I'd check - I had no idea there was a windows port |
| 03:27.07 | duet | me neither |
| 03:27.30 | amphi | duet: let me know how well it behaves |
| 03:28.37 | duet | i forgot about cygwin |
| 03:28.40 | duet | thanks guys |
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| 03:36.47 | spersaud | how much more polishing will be done to Squeeze ? booting .. anti aliased fonts etc ? |
| 03:38.00 | amphi | my fonts are antialiased |
| 03:38.24 | t3a | what is the purpose of aliasing fonts? I never understood |
| 03:38.32 | t3a | it just makes them unclean |
| 03:38.50 | jimmybgood | spersaud: parallel dependency based init scripts makes boot much faster |
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| 03:39.12 | duet | yay im back |
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| 03:39.53 | un214 | I like my fonts razor sharp |
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| 03:40.17 | amphi | duet: w32 irssi? |
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| 03:40.46 | duet | amphi: it aparently runs in putty |
| 03:40.52 | duet | it looks great |
| 03:41.23 | amphi | duet: may one see a screenshot? |
| 03:41.31 | un214 | boot was never faster than in the slackware days when I wrote my own bootscripts |
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| 03:42.02 | streuner | using floppydiscs? :-P |
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| 03:42.21 | un214 | no |
| 03:42.25 | amphi | booting is an infequent event, I wonder why the speed is so important to people |
| 03:42.26 | un214 | circa 2004 |
| 03:42.40 | un214 | power |
| 03:42.46 | duet | amphi: hold on brb |
| 03:42.47 | streuner | well, OSX boot really fast |
| 03:42.57 | un214 | hibernate wasn't working so well back in the day |
| 03:43.07 | streuner | but thats not a reason, IMO |
| 03:43.52 | SuperMiguel | how secure is vnc? |
| 03:44.11 | un214 | falls to network sniffer |
| 03:44.15 | un214 | otherwise its secure |
| 03:44.34 | un214 | so tunnel it via ssh and you're fine |
| 03:47.40 | streuner | got a MacBook Pro, but didnt get the prons about |
| 03:48.10 | karlpinc | SuperMiguel: Not secure. You need to use some sort of secure transport ssh, a vpn (openvpn), etc. |
| 03:48.23 | streuner | OSX is installed by default, but i like Debian much better |
| 03:48.34 | karlpinc | SuperMiguel: (At least last I looked, I'm still running Lenny.) |
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| 03:53.29 | duet | amphi: http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee399/justinlukesutton/irssionwindows.png |
| 03:53.44 | duet | amphi: there is the screenshot sorry it took so long |
| 03:54.01 | amphi | duet: thanks, I'll take a look |
| 03:55.40 | amphi | duet: heh, it looks very realistic |
| 03:55.50 | Dewi | amphi: there's also a way to host it inside putty's terminal rather than windows' |
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| 03:56.43 | Dewi | amphi: for those of us who hate conhost (that default windows console) |
| 03:57.47 | amphi | Dewi: uhuh - I don't have much idea about windows - I was admiring the consistent appearance of the window decorations in that screenshot |
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| 03:58.19 | un214 | Dewi: cygwin sshd |
| 03:58.35 | Dewi | un214: yeah you can bypass that tho |
| 03:58.42 | Dewi | un214: and connect them directly |
| 03:59.09 | un214 | ah |
| 03:59.17 | un214 | "there is" not "is there" |
| 03:59.44 | Dewi | :) |
| 04:00.14 | Dewi | yeah personally I've given up on all that stuff and run debian on a nearby box or, if there isn't one, in a virtualbox |
| 04:00.43 | Dewi | and use samba to share the filesystem a bit |
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| 04:12.22 | SuperMiguel | im unablt to mount a samba share, im using mount -t smbfs -o username=name,password=password //machinename/sharename /mnt/smbshare |
| 04:12.49 | SuperMiguel | and i keep getting access denied, im using the same command on a ubuntu system and its working :S |
| 04:13.00 | SuperMiguel | (of course putting the right info in) |
| 04:14.42 | stew | SuperMiguel: you should be using cifs, not smbfs |
| 04:15.00 | SuperMiguel | mount -t cifs then? |
| 04:15.05 | stew | not that I think that is necessarily your problem |
| 04:15.07 | stew | but yes |
| 04:16.38 | SuperMiguel | stew, same problem |
| 04:17.11 | stew | SuperMiguel: i'd check the logs on the samba server |
| 04:17.32 | SuperMiguel | umm |
| 04:17.46 | SuperMiguel | checking |
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| 04:19.46 | SuperMiguel | stew, nothing relevant to it :S |
| 04:20.42 | SuperMiguel | if i use the ip adress i would use //192.168.0.5/foldername/ |
| 04:20.43 | SuperMiguel | right? |
| 04:21.52 | stew | yes, perhaps without the trailing slash, i'm not sure |
| 04:22.06 | stew | SuperMiguel: the samba server should have a separate logfile for each host trying to connect, right? |
| 04:22.27 | SuperMiguel | its not a true true samba server |
| 04:22.45 | SuperMiguel | its just a nas that runs samba, but doesnt keep that good of a log |
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| 04:33.47 | LordVorp | I'm used to apache 1.3, and i have a setup with the FastCgiExternalServer directive that I want to port over. What, if any, is the apache2.2 equivalent? |
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| 04:42.02 | stew | LordVorp: that's not part of apache, that is a directvie to mod_fastcgi |
| 04:42.10 | stew | LordVorp: which should work the same in either apache |
| 04:42.22 | DanDare | I have the mysql running and also a 'mysqld_safe' running also. This can happen in normal situations? <- Lenny |
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| 04:43.51 | stew | DanDare: mysql is the client, mysqld_safe is a wrapper script that starts the server |
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| 04:44.00 | stew | DanDare: so yes |
| 04:44.40 | DanDare | stew, but it keeps alive after server is started ? |
| 04:45.03 | DanDare | In here its there, consistently |
| 04:45.51 | stew | DanDare: yes, that's normal |
| 04:46.31 | stew | DanDare: you should also have a mysqld process which is a child process of the mysqld_safe process |
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| 04:46.36 | LordVorp | stew: really? that would be such a relief but i didn't get a mod_fastcgi in lenny... I have mod_fcgid which is *not* same thing. |
| 04:46.50 | Fare | hi. Which filesystem should I be using for a 3tb disk? |
| 04:47.05 | DanDare | ok so... thanks. I remember you can log and redefine the main Mysl password im case you lost the password. So i just got alarmed here |
| 04:47.06 | stew | LordVorp: no, mod_fcgid is a binary compatible free implementation, mod_fastcgi is in non-free |
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| 04:47.26 | LordVorp | ! oh. |
| 04:48.23 | DanDare | *you can log and redefine password running mysql in safe mode* |
| 04:48.26 | stew | DanDare: yes, when it is started with the --skip-grant-tables option |
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| 04:48.34 | stew | DanDare: no, not safe mode |
| 04:48.39 | stew | there is no such mode |
| 04:48.41 | hotwings | is anyone using a wireless adapter by chance? |
| 04:48.47 | DanDare | stew, allright. thank you |
| 04:48.48 | stew | hotwings: you can assume that many are |
| 04:49.33 | Fare | is ext4 stable? |
| 04:49.37 | Fare | btrfs? |
| 04:49.47 | hotwings | im trying a find an example of wlan0 for /etc/network/interfaces oddly, googling it has turned up jack |
| 04:50.34 | DanDare | hotwings, tried here: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi ? |
| 04:50.59 | LordVorp | Fare: ext4 yes. btrfs: Linux uses it on his personal laptop. you decide. |
| 04:51.07 | stew | hotwings: see "man 5 interfaces" and "man 7 wireless" |
| 04:51.07 | LordVorp | s/Linux/Linus Torvalds/ |
| 04:51.23 | stew | hotwings: or tell us specifically what you are trying to configure |
| 04:51.46 | stew | hotwings: if you are doing wpa2 there will be more to do. if you are using wep, those two are enough |
| 04:52.05 | jimmybgood | Fare: do you want top performance? |
| 04:52.12 | stew | TOP PERFORMANCE! |
| 04:53.11 | stew | hotwings: if you are often moving from network to network, you should probably consider not configuring it in interfaces and using wicd or network-manager instead |
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| 04:53.49 | un214 | I HATE NETWORK-MANAGER |
| 04:53.49 | ajikeshi | stew, i prefer iwlist scan and iwconfig ap |
| 04:53.51 | Fare | jimmybgood, probably |
| 04:53.59 | Fare | is btrfs stable in 2.6.37 ? |
| 04:54.01 | stew | ajikeshi: ok! |
| 04:54.05 | ZitZ | hello, does someone know a way I can make it so that I don't have to type in a passkey when i use the dbus-send command to connect my bluetooth headset? |
| 04:54.07 | ajikeshi | much simpler and... tbh it works unlike nm |
| 04:54.14 | un214 | all it did was make my network not work |
| 04:54.33 | stew | ajikeshi: its not enough to do wpa, however |
| 04:54.40 | ajikeshi | i know |
| 04:54.47 | stew | i'm suprised if network manager got that much worse since I last used it |
| 04:54.59 | ajikeshi | nah nothing like that |
| 04:55.02 | jimmybgood | Fare: I've found ext4 and btrfs stable. ext4 without a journal is the fastest file system I've tested |
| 04:55.07 | ajikeshi | but it lacks a lot of features |
| 04:55.28 | stew | ajikeshi: features that iwconfig up has? |
| 04:55.35 | Fare | I wouldn't use it w/o a journal |
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| 04:55.44 | ajikeshi | like being able to turn off power management |
| 04:55.52 | ajikeshi | or tweak txpower |
| 04:56.08 | jimmybgood | Fare: why not? do you understand the purpose of a journal? |
| 04:56.26 | ajikeshi | and nm doesnt work without X afaik |
| 04:56.32 | un214 | course he does |
| 04:56.40 | un214 | if you have battery backup you don't need it |
| 04:57.28 | jimmybgood | un214: I disagree, it's the other way around if you have a journal you need a battery backup |
| 04:57.33 | Fare | jimmybgood, it prevents data loss |
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| 04:58.15 | stew | jimmybgood: ok, i'll bite. why do you need a battery backup if you use a journal? |
| 04:58.57 | jimmybgood | Fare: no, it prevents parially written files and is faster to replay a journal than run fsck |
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| 04:59.10 | stew | jimmybgood: yes, it can prevent data loss |
| 04:59.18 | jimmybgood | chance of data loss is the same with or without a journal |
| 04:59.26 | stew | jimmybgood: that's just plain false |
| 05:00.02 | jimmybgood | stew: you're saying fsck is faster than replaying a journal? |
| 05:00.12 | DanDare | types 'sync' |
| 05:00.28 | stew | no, i'm saying that its false to claim that a journal cannot provide extra protection against data loss |
| 05:00.42 | un214 | except it does |
| 05:01.03 | un214 | merging btrees w/o a journal can lose unrelated files |
| 05:01.27 | jimmybgood | stew: the journal helps to provide a consistent file state, but if you pull the plug in the middle of the write, the data is lost either way |
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| 05:03.05 | stew | jimmybgood: it can do that, it can also make sure that all data is on disk before it is committed |
| 05:03.06 | jimmybgood | what you get depends on how you journal and what kind of barriers you use |
| 05:03.47 | un214 | if I weren't so cheap I'd use battery backup and no journal |
| 05:03.52 | Fare | partially written files == data loss |
| 05:03.57 | un214 | I haven't had a kernel panic since I dumped ubuntu |
| 05:04.02 | Fare | partially written metadata == whole disk loss |
| 05:04.12 | jimmybgood | stew: but if it's not on the disk it's still lost, and journals - unwritten files also == data loss |
| 05:04.21 | stew | jimmybgood: but anyway. if a journal which is journalling metadata can help maintain a consistent filesystem, why would you say that you need a battery backup when you ARE jounraling metadata? |
| 05:04.42 | Fare | unwritten files with journal == transactional integrity |
| 05:04.52 | Fare | unwritten files w/o journal == you're dead in the water |
| 05:05.09 | jimmybgood | Fare: not with fsck |
| 05:05.19 | Fare | when fsck works |
| 05:05.28 | jimmybgood | people been crashing on ext2 for decades |
| 05:05.36 | un214 | there is in fact an ordered write module that will guarantee constistancy with fsck & no journal for some filesystems |
| 05:05.36 | jimmybgood | so have i |
| 05:05.54 | stew | jimmybgood: did any of them get partially committed metadata change? |
| 05:06.00 | un214 | eqv. option to journal, trades recovery time for execution time |
| 05:06.27 | jimmybgood | un214: well sure you can have a filesystem that's all sync if you want you can still lose data |
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| 05:07.24 | un214 | w/o battery backup you will lose data on power loss |
| 05:07.33 | un214 | no way to not lose data on kernel panic |
| 05:07.43 | stew | jimmybgood: you seem to be implying before that without a battery backup, NOT journalling was safer? was I interpreting that correctly? |
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| 05:09.38 | jimmybgood | stew: I said it poorly, depending on which journal options and barriers you have, journals can give very strange results after crashes including putting parts of files in the wrong places |
| 05:09.58 | stew | jimmybgood: how would that happen? |
| 05:10.14 | un214 | one stupid patch for ext3 set the journal wrong |
| 05:10.31 | jimmybgood | stew: I'm not an expert -there are many long discussions in LWN |
| 05:10.38 | un214 | it got rolled back after Linus commented on it |
| 05:10.56 | stew | jimmybgood: you seem to be implying before that without a battery backup, NOT journalling was safer? was I interpreting that correctly? |
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| 05:12.08 | jimmybgood | stew: i already said I worded that poorly. there are certain problems that you only see with journalling that can be prevented with battery backups |
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| 05:14.33 | jimmybgood | stew: it depends on what is your biggest concern, if preventing the wrong user from seeing sensitive information that they shouldn't than yes |
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| 05:16.35 | stew | jimmybgood: and what exactly is that failure mode? |
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| 05:19.47 | jimmybgood | stew: portions of data appear in files that they shouldn't. if that file can be accessed by the wrong person you have a security breach. i know patches were made to prevent this, but they slowed the file system down to a crawl |
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| 05:20.41 | stew | jimmybgood: how would that happen? |
| 05:21.08 | stew | jimmybgood: (i did understand what you were claiming would happen, i don't understand how a journal might cause it to happen) |
| 05:22.56 | jimmybgood | stew: I told you I'm not an expert, I'm not going to try to explain the details. I've read about it at lwn.net and I've seen it on my own computer. after a crash files mysteriously have portions of files being written at the crash appended to them |
| 05:23.08 | jimmybgood | metadata not consistent |
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| 05:24.58 | stew | jimmybgood: can you please point me to a url on lwn.net? |
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| 05:27.16 | jimmybgood | http://lwn.net/Articles/328363/ this one gets in to the problems, but it's not the one I was thinking of |
| 05:28.36 | jimmybgood | no, that is the one, but there's another one more to the point |
| 05:29.12 | greenmang0 | hello friends, i am getting 2 errors - http://paste.debian.net/106380/... how do i solve it? will "fsck" work? |
| 05:30.04 | jimmybgood | that can be solved using data=ordered, but at the same time making data=ordered work, became very slow |
| 05:31.14 | ZitZ | does someone know where the dbus configuration files are on debian? |
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| 05:34.08 | stew | jimmybgood: ah so this is a problem which is nonexistant in debian stable |
| 05:34.31 | stew | (except for people that go out of their way to get writeback) |
| 05:34.34 | greenmang0 | jimmybgood: can you please help me with above errors? |
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| 05:35.24 | jimmybgood | stew: remember I prefaced everything with, do you want top performance? |
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| 05:35.39 | stew | jimmybgood: yes, why/ |
| 05:36.14 | stew | wait? you are saying that you decided to base the entire converstaion on "yes i do" and therefor it is "ok let me tell you why you are wrong" |
| 05:36.43 | jimmybgood | greenmang0: I would try fsck, but folks here think I'm wrong |
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| 05:37.08 | stew | ... |
| 05:37.19 | stew | greenmang0: are you sure you want sda and not a partition on sda? |
| 05:37.26 | bonjoyee | how does apt-cacher-ng work in terms of fetching the Packages.bz2 files? Does it use the info from /var/lib/apt/lists or fetches a fresh copy of Packages.bz2 every time? |
| 05:37.51 | jimmybgood | stew: I can't parse that sentence, |
| 05:38.05 | greenmang0 | stew: i want data at any cost... actually the system boots properly but without one partition /dev/sda7 |
| 05:38.36 | stew | greenmang0: if sda is partitioned, you don't want to run fsck on sda but on the partitions of sda |
| 05:38.38 | greenmang0 | stew: there's no device /dev/sda7 :( .. which contains important data |
| 05:38.52 | lahwran | repo question: when a package X depends on Z<=Y, and the repository contains package Z but it's newer than Y, how is X dealt with? |
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| 05:39.02 | lahwran | is there a way to have multiple versions of a package in the repo? |
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| 05:39.09 | greenmang0 | stew: but are you sure it won't screw things up? |
| 05:39.12 | stew | greenmang0: can you pastebin the output of "fdisk -l /dev/sda" ? |
| 05:39.24 | stew | greenmang0: am I sure what won't screw things up? |
| 05:39.39 | greenmang0 | stew: http://paste.debian.net/106380/ |
| 05:39.41 | lahwran | I am implementing an apt-like system where this condition is rather likely, and I'm curious how it's dealt with in apt repos |
| 05:41.01 | stew | lahwran: in the debian repos there can be multiple versions of a package available for a particular suite (where suite is something like testing/unstable/stable). but this is becuase of a complicated reason |
| 05:41.38 | stew | lahwran: well the simple version of the complicated reason is that we don't get rid of the old version until the new version is available on all architectures |
| 05:42.42 | stew | lahwran: however, other than that, we don't keep multiple versions of a package around |
| 05:43.13 | lahwran | so then how would X be dealt with in my scenario? |
| 05:43.20 | lahwran | as I said it above |
| 05:43.22 | bonjoyee | lahwran: in ubuntu it is possible to have multiple version of packages like.. say ubuntu, ubuntu-updates, security-updates etc ...but the packages manager generally prefers the latest.. |
| 05:43.23 | stew | lahwran: so the general answer to your question of "how is X dealt with", the answer is "if a rebuild will fix it, we rebuild it, otherwise we remove it" |
| 05:43.36 | stew | (or hopefully get a newer version uploaded to replace it) |
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| 05:44.12 | stew | bonjoyee: the same is true in debian |
| 05:45.17 | bonjoyee | lahwran: in your case, X would be reported as "un installable", but if there is a lower version of Z, you could force that version, to have X installed |
| 05:45.28 | stew | lahwran: in UNSTABLE when we have a newer Z for all arches, we get rid of the older, no matter what it is going to break. in testing, we don't let X into testing until the right version of Z exists in testing, then don't let a new Z in testing until all Xs are ok with it |
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| 05:46.48 | lahwran | ok, thanks |
| 05:47.26 | lahwran | that should do it. |
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| 05:49.27 | greenmang0 | stew: did you check that pastebin link? :-) |
| 05:49.58 | stew | greenmang0: yes |
| 05:50.06 | bonjoyee | stew: yeah..i use debian squeeze(no other mixed version)..but the updates generally replace the current version, seldom have i seen multiple versions...that may change when squeeze become stable though! |
| 05:50.51 | stew | bonjoyee: this doesn't happen in testing, just in unstable |
| 05:50.59 | greenmang0 | stew: so any suggestions other than fsck or no other option besides that? |
| 05:51.09 | stew | 00:39 < stew> greenmang0: can you pastebin the output of "fdisk -l /dev/sda" ? |
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| 05:52.02 | stew | bonjoyee: or the scenario you are talking about happens in stable when you have -backports or -volatile (which will be named -updates in squeeze) enabled |
| 05:52.06 | bonjoyee | stew: ok..but it may happen in stable as well with security updates popping in? |
| 05:52.13 | stew | and -security, yes |
| 05:52.27 | stew | until there is a point release, when the security updates are copied to the main repo |
| 05:52.30 | greenmang0 | stew: there's only one HDD attached so running "fdisk -l" just gives "unable to seek /dev/sda" and you have "fdisk /dev/sda" output |
| 05:52.59 | bonjoyee | stew: any experience with apt-cacher-ng? |
| 05:53.03 | stew | greenmang0: there is only one hard drive attached? are you booted from it? |
| 05:53.33 | stew | bonjoyee: no, i've used apt-cacher and now use approx |
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| 05:53.50 | stew | greenmang0: can you show us the output of /proc/partitions |
| 05:53.53 | greenmang0 | stew: yes it does boot ... but fails to mount a partition (sda7) and failes to show some files on sda6 |
| 05:55.22 | stew | greenmang0: is hal installed? |
| 05:55.24 | greenmang0 | stew: oops..... i can't.. unfortunately system has stopped booting ... ( i don't have physical access to it) |
| 05:55.34 | greenmang0 | stew: yes it is |
| 05:55.58 | stew | does that mean game over? |
| 05:56.36 | greenmang0 | stew: no... please don't say that ... :( |
| 05:56.50 | greenmang0 | stew: http://paste.debian.net/106381/ << /etc/fstab |
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| 05:57.12 | stew | if the system has stopped booting, where are we getting this info? |
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| 05:57.20 | stew | greenmang0: can you run "hal-find-by-capability --capability block | xargs -n1 hal-get-property --key block.device --udi" ? |
| 05:57.48 | stew | greenmang0: have you checked SMART? |
| 05:57.50 | greenmang0 | stew: i checked it before system going down... so i just scrolled up in konsole to get it :) |
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| 06:00.38 | greenmang0 | stew: can't execute above command... system is down |
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| 06:01.20 | bonjoyee | stew: basically..i want to share the packages lists in /var/lib/apt/lists with the caching app and not have it download the info again..do you know which package caching app does this? |
| 06:02.11 | bonjoyee | stew: as i am on a limited bw internet connection! |
| 06:02.12 | stew | bonjoyee: apt only downloads it if it has changed |
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| 06:02.41 | bonjoyee | stew: yeah..i know..but what about the caching proxy? |
| 06:02.43 | stew | bonjoyee: or do you mean you want to cache the Packages files for multiple computers? |
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| 06:03.41 | bonjoyee | stew: no apt-cacher-ng does that very well.... |
| 06:05.33 | stew | bonjoyee: and that is what is in /var/lib/apt/lists, right? |
| 06:05.40 | stew | oh |
| 06:05.48 | stew | you want to pre-seed the cache? |
| 06:06.19 | bonjoyee | stew: not sure about that..i think it fetches its own Packages.gz files! |
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| 06:07.03 | bonjoyee | stew: read Packages.bz2 |
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| 06:07.33 | Bop | anyone uses RTGUI over rtorrent ? |
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| 06:11.40 | l0xy | G'day gentlefolks |
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| 06:12.17 | l0xy | would someone be so nice, as to let me understand how to connect with hamachi? |
| 06:12.38 | l0xy | its installed, the tunnel file is present, and I can join and see the individuals in the hamachi network |
| 06:12.48 | l0xy | but no application can access a remote PC |
| 06:12.56 | l0xy | (nor can I ping one) |
| 06:13.19 | l0xy | is there anything I need to do in addition to simply installing Hamachi? something that I have overlooked perhaps |
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| 06:26.59 | TheEpitome | anyone seen debian installer unable to use an existing swap partition? |
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| 06:27.29 | dondelelcaro | TheEpitome: if it can't, you can add it manually |
| 06:27.34 | dondelelcaro | TheEpitome: it can happen from time to time |
| 06:27.51 | dondelelcaro | (presumably it'd be because you didn't have the partition type set properly) |
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| 06:33.32 | TheEpitome | the partition type is 82. it is the same swap i am using for ubuntu, fedora, and linuxfromscratch which are installed on 3 other partitions on the drive. i think this is a new bug. The error is "Error informing the kernel about modifications to partition /dev/sda5 -- Device or resource busy." |
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| 06:34.33 | Tordek | do the "booting" messages log somewhere? I mean the "starting MySQL", "Starting Apache", etc. ones |
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| 06:36.12 | TheEpitome | when I drop to a shell from the installer and do an fdisk -l I get all partitions 1,2,5,6,7,8,9 show up, but in busybox the /dev fs only shows sda1 and sda2. something is wrong with how this installer is detecting drives |
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| 06:44.53 | Bastihase | Troll Physics: http://icanhaz.com/hugecollectionoftrollphysics |
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| 06:47.09 | iankp | Is there something like iWeb '09 for Linux? Maybe with a little more power than iWeb, but just as easy to use. |
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| 06:55.32 | KB1JWQ | Infra_3600: What's an iWeb? |
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| 07:05.46 | Tordek | do the "booting" messages log somewhere? I mean the "starting MySQL", "Starting Apache", etc. ones |
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| 07:10.35 | francis | hello.. i want to ask about burg...i installed burg but grub2 is still in active how do i activate burg instead of grub2? |
| 07:10.38 | francis | thans.. |
| 07:10.55 | francis | ubuntu kicked me off by asking this question.. |
| 07:11.13 | francis | :( |
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| 07:44.12 | blakes | I upgraded to squeeze to get a newer version of mysql and now my hard drives are being weird |
| 07:44.18 | blakes | I haven't changed kernels, so they're still detected |
| 07:44.24 | blakes | but on boot it says that they're not valid devices |
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| 07:47.42 | sweetandy | Is it a logical fallacy to think, "if Debian doesn't have it in the repos, the package doesn't exist" ? |
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| 07:49.40 | Parsifal | sweetandy: Yes, because in that case DeaDBeeF wouldn't exist. ;) |
| 07:49.55 | sweetandy | Parsifal, An excellent point indeed |
| 07:50.00 | sweetandy | Though I do often find myself thinking that |
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| 07:51.25 | blakes | with my disks, they are coming up from the kernel, but then it seems that udev is not linking them or something |
| 07:51.37 | blakes | as while it does mount /dev/sda1 properly, /dev/sda1 does not exist after this |
| 07:55.54 | dondelelcaro | sweetandy: usually, if we don't distribute it, you should be asking yourself if it's worth using... but there are some notable exceptions |
| 07:56.08 | dondelelcaro | (after all, I routinely package at least one new package a year) |
| 07:57.13 | sweetandy | As should we all, dondelelcaro. |
| 07:57.18 | sweetandy | A good point though |
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| 08:00.05 | dondelelcaro | well, I actually package a lot more than one a year, but about one a year that I actually upload... |
| 08:00.48 | dondelelcaro | (most of the problem is that the ones that I package tend to be domain specific, like various r-* packages) |
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| 08:02.09 | piercedwater | I have a Dell PowerEdge 1850 that needs a new riser baord ($90 used) and a new power supply ($50). Would you all invest that much into that server? |
| 08:02.48 | blakes | is there a squeeze upgrade guide? |
| 08:02.57 | blakes | i can find an install guide, but not an upgrade guide |
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| 08:04.51 | Ddorda | hey guys. did anyone try working with kernel -37 |
| 08:05.23 | Ddorda | forgot the '?' :) |
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| 08:05.38 | blakes | i'm on 2.6.37 |
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| 08:07.15 | Ddorda | blakes: and how is it? |
| 08:07.22 | blakes | worked fine with lenny :-) |
| 08:07.32 | blakes | squeeze is currently broken for me, but i don't think it's kernel related at all |
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| 08:08.14 | Ddorda | blakes: i guess i'm going to work with lenny anyway :) |
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| 08:24.26 | skyion | Hi There, Debian Lenny currently runs samba version 3.2.5 (as far as I'm aware incompatible with windows 7) Samba 3.5.6 is currently out and stable, is there an underlying reason as to why that I'm missing. |
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| 08:25.56 | SPF | skyion: how old is Samba 3.5.6 ? |
| 08:26.24 | skyion | 8 October 2010 |
| 08:26.30 | skyion | too young? |
| 08:26.44 | Parsifal | skyion: Lenny was released in February 2009. |
| 08:26.50 | Parsifal | So yes, I'd say that's it. Have you checked backports? |
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| 08:27.39 | Parsifal | skyion: http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/samba |
| 08:27.50 | skyion | will do... thank-you :) |
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| 09:05.11 | ericthehax | So... I'm interested in making a distro. Some friends and I decided it would be Debian-based since we're more familiar with Debian than the other distros. I thought it would be a good idea to come here for help getting started (spent too many hours googling already) |
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| 09:07.40 | ericthehax | I dont know how im gonna simplify this into a question... I guess, where do I start? I've never made a distro before :\ |
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| 09:11.27 | HaC|away | Hi |
| 09:11.39 | ericthehax | hi |
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| 09:11.46 | HaC|away | I'm still searching for a possibility to have fulldisk encryption with a keyfile on usb stick |
| 09:11.50 | HaC|away | has anyone done that before ? |
| 09:12.43 | ericthehax | it's so deadchat in here |
| 09:13.05 | HaC|away | hehe |
| 09:13.19 | HaC|away | more actives are needed :) |
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| 09:14.29 | ericthehax | well, if I knew enough, I'd probably sit in here all day watching for questions... but I'm here because I'm lost too :\ |
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| 09:16.01 | ericthehax | you'd think if they're joining they're active... Truth be told, they're probably autojoining |
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| 09:17.18 | HaC|away | hehe |
| 09:17.24 | HaC|away | whats the problem you have ? |
| 09:17.28 | themill | ericthehax: the last thing the world needs is another debian based distro. Perhaps you could spend your efforts making debian better? |
| 09:17.52 | KRF | themill++ |
| 09:17.53 | HaC|away | oh yeah...there are really a lot of debian kids |
| 09:18.03 | ericthehax | themill: who said I'd be spreading it? Just a learning experience |
| 09:18.41 | KRF | ericthehax: just... don't do it. put your efforts in making an existent distro (there are plenty) even better |
| 09:18.44 | themill | ericthehax: learning is worthwhile, sure. There are many teams in debian that are crying out for people to help them though... |
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| 09:19.14 | greenmang0 | stew: ping... fsck didn't help :( |
| 09:20.54 | ericthehax | Well, I'd be glad to help but... I don't think I have enough skill to do anything but get in the way... |
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| 09:22.09 | WormFood | ericthehax, you might be surprised...we get some pretty basic/simple questions in here |
| 09:22.50 | ericthehax | so... you're implying it's this deadchat all the time? |
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| 09:22.56 | WormFood | ericthehax, can you use google? yes? then you can help ;) |
| 09:23.11 | WormFood | well, what time is in in USA right now? |
| 09:23.26 | WormFood | I think you'll find it mostly active during active times in usa |
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| 09:24.16 | WormFood | don't read more into what I said....I'm just saying it is usually active during waking hours in usa |
| 09:24.47 | WormFood | usually this channel is pretty active...there are over 900 "people" here |
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| 09:24.58 | ericthehax | ah yes, on the internet it's hard to tell when someones serious or not |
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| 09:25.31 | WormFood | well, my responses to you, are serious :P |
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| 09:26.14 | ericthehax | i meant it was impossible for you to tell i was joking about "youmimplying its always this deadchat?" |
| 09:26.34 | WormFood | sometimes it gets quiet here |
| 09:26.53 | WormFood | also, æ°å¹´å¿«ä¹ (happy chinese new year) |
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| 09:28.59 | ericthehax | So, I guess the amount of debian-based distros out there is unbearably huge? |
| 09:30.09 | ericthehax | understates stuff for the lulz |
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| 09:31.08 | WormFood | there is probably more than you realize |
| 09:31.25 | WormFood | I only know of a few...with ubuntu and knoppix being the main ones |
| 09:31.30 | tvm | there's no justification for creation of another Debian distro. |
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| 09:31.39 | _KaszpiR_ | hi |
| 09:31.46 | WormFood | tvm, what makes you say that? |
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| 09:32.20 | tvm | wormfood: logic inside my brain ? your opinion differs ? |
| 09:32.33 | WormFood | it would be silly to make another debian, since debian already exists |
| 09:32.57 | WormFood | I see plenty of reasons to make another distro, other than debian....either based on debian or not. |
| 09:33.08 | tvm | but those already exist, most likely. |
| 09:33.49 | _KaszpiR_ | I got an issue: we're trying to play quite old game (day of defeat) and we stuck at error that libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 09:33.58 | WormFood | I made my own linux distro, to fit on a floppy disk....did what I needed/wanted....now tell me, what else is out there that will do what I want? (on a single floppy) |
| 09:34.04 | tvm | on Distrowatch i see 325 operating systems, 90% of them will be linux based. |
| 09:34.34 | tvm | and there will be around 20 distros that fit onto your floppy (that's my wild guess). |
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| 09:34.51 | Rienzilla | yeah there is quite some mini-linuxes out there |
| 09:35.51 | WormFood | but your problem is, you just assume everything anyone could need is already written, and you're wrong, because the application I needed to run, would not fit on any of the pre-made floppy linuxes...I had to roll my own to make everything fit on 1.4 Meg |
| 09:36.06 | Rienzilla | as for the normal desktop and server usage, with debian for conservative users, and ubuntu for those who want some newer stuff and some more pointy-clicky-stuff, pretty much all needs are fulfilled imo |
| 09:36.17 | Rienzilla | WormFood: I would not call that a distribution |
| 09:36.25 | tvm | rienzilla++ |
| 09:36.29 | WormFood | define distribution |
| 09:36.34 | Rienzilla | sure, there are times when you need to squeeze a lot of stuff onto a small space |
| 09:37.04 | tvm | custom kernel + application isn't distro in my book. |
| 09:37.24 | tvm | operating system that provides packages, support, documentation, installer, etc. = distro |
| 09:37.25 | Rienzilla | (and, to be fair, you didn't put apt(itude) on your floppy, so it can hardly be called a debian-based distro) |
| 09:37.41 | WormFood | I never said it was debian based |
| 09:37.54 | WormFood | I made it on a debian system, but it was not debian based |
| 09:38.10 | Rienzilla | this discussion started with the statement that there was no need for yet another debian-based distro |
| 09:38.29 | WormFood | tvm, so, you're saying in order to call it a distro, it needs a package manager, and support, and it needs to be distributed? |
| 09:38.41 | KRF | well, keep it fair, it is not even a distribution, debian-based or not |
| 09:38.46 | Rienzilla | more or less agrees with tvm's definition |
| 09:38.51 | tvm | wormfood: more or less, yes. |
| 09:39.03 | ericthehax | When people make distros, it's usually for a reason. It might serve a specific purpose, it might be just to learn, the distributor could have lost a bet, or even just for the lulz. so, tvm, in some cases, there is justification |
| 09:39.38 | tvm | ericthehax: yes, but not all that rational. |
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| 09:40.16 | tvm | but yeah, maybe my statment was way too strong. |
| 09:40.25 | tvm | if you want to create something for fun, why not. |
| 09:40.28 | _KaszpiR_ | oshit |
| 09:41.01 | tvm | and now, excuse me, as i'm at work.. ;] |
| 09:41.12 | Rienzilla | aren't we all :) |
| 09:41.23 | tvm | executes sqldeveloper and hides |
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| 09:42.15 | WormFood | today is a holiday...most of the city is closed down today, so few people work today :P |
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| 09:43.10 | frikinz | _KaszpiR_: is this file not available anymore in debian? Even in archives? FInd the correct libstdc++ , in your case libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2. Maybe in woody, dunno |
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| 09:44.37 | frikinz | _KaszpiR_: http://archive.debian.net/woody/libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 |
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| 09:45.20 | HaC|away | where can i see which programms are at boot time available? |
| 09:45.36 | HaC|away | i mean there is "cryptsetup" available if using dm_crypt...but what else? |
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| 09:49.46 | newbie|2 | hello. my cdrom driver, i think, doesn't work with debian. i root it from the cdrom driver and it says "remove the disc, press any key to continue" |
| 09:49.49 | ShishKabab | I'm having an interesting problem with chroot. It somehow gives me the error 'Not a directory' when trying to execute an existing binary. See http://www.pastie.org/pastes/1524379/text . Does anyone have an idea what could cause this? It works fine on my test VM. |
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| 09:49.56 | newbie|2 | after when i press on any key, debian loads but errors me that "no configuration file found" |
| 09:50.07 | newbie|2 | what should i do to boot from the cdrom? |
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| 09:52.44 | HaC|away | ShishKabab: I think it is because of the -v option... |
| 09:52.50 | WormFood | newbie|2, it sounds like your dvd drive is flaky |
| 09:53.00 | HaC|away | ShishKabab: did you try something like "/usr/bin/php5-cgi -v" ? |
| 09:53.22 | HaC|away | to somehow group it to the binary |
| 09:53.29 | newbie|2 | WormFood: i guess not cause it was working before debian. |
| 09:53.54 | newbie|2 | but i don't know what to add or remove on debian to make it work again. |
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| 09:54.07 | newbie|2 | how can we check that if it works? |
| 09:54.37 | ShishKabab | HaC|away: I also thought that, but removing -v gives the same error. And it worked fine on my Debian Lenny 32-bit VM. This is a 64-bit Lenny server. |
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| 10:08.31 | HaC|away | ShishKabab: maybe strace says something ? |
| 10:09.01 | ShishKabab | HaC|away: Yes, I'll try that. |
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| 10:12.20 | ethanol | morning all |
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| 10:16.53 | xro | hi, i have an issue with booting my servers and ldap... the ldap server is used to solve group and name... but i get this error at the boot --> http://dpaste.com/380952/ i know that udev try to resolve the group before the ldap is accessible. What is the rigth way to correct it? create local group? |
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| 10:18.54 | themill | xro: lenny? I *thought* that was solved in squeeze |
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| 10:21.09 | xro | themill, yes i'm still in debian 5 |
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| 10:22.25 | xro | themill, that is the last stable release, no? |
| 10:22.41 | themill | xro: it will be "stable" this weekend |
| 10:22.53 | ShishKabab | HaC|away: ld.so.nohwcap and ld.so.preload are missing, but it looks like they are not important. After that execve() returns the error ENOTDIR. Then it tries to translate the error. http://www.pastie.org/1524460 . |
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| 10:23.25 | xro | themill, ohh, so the best thing i have to do is to wait next week? |
| 10:23.56 | themill | xro: you could feel fairly confident in upgrading right now. There's very little that will change between now and Sunday. |
| 10:24.11 | xro | themill, to upgrade from 5.x to 6.x, is there something special to know? |
| 10:24.41 | OpenTokix | themill: squeeze is going to be stableized this weekend? |
| 10:24.50 | themill | xro: yes, you should read and follow the release notes. "/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze" for a short summary |
| 10:25.02 | themill | !wwsr |
| 10:25.02 | dpkg | The squeeze release is planned for the weekend of 5th/6th February. http://lists.debian.org/20110118193635.GC4061@halon.org.uk . There are still some <release critical> bugs to fix, so help is still welcome. Ask me about <squeeze pool> to see how well people guessed the release date. |
| 10:25.10 | OpenTokix | awesome |
| 10:25.44 | xro | themill, ok thanks a lot.... |
| 10:26.40 | HaC|away | Shadur: strange... |
| 10:26.54 | HaC|away | are you trying to chroot into as root ? |
| 10:26.58 | HaC|away | ups |
| 10:27.00 | HaC|away | i ean ShishKabab |
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| 10:27.25 | HaC|away | an to early tab |
| 10:27.52 | HaC|away | na but that shouldn't matter...its work-executable... |
| 10:28.01 | HaC|away | s/work/world |
| 10:28.41 | ShishKabab | HaC|away: Yes, I'm trying it as root. Interesting, isn't it? |
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| 10:29.52 | ShishKabab | Couldn't it be something in the kernel? It's a kernel from my VPS supplier. |
| 10:30.24 | HaC|away | cannot run command `/usr/bin/php5 |
| 10:30.29 | HaC|away | ahh here we are |
| 10:30.37 | HaC|away | i think theres php missing in your chroot |
| 10:30.48 | HaC|away | isn't it ? |
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| 10:32.19 | frikinz | you could try strace -f and maybe -s 512 |
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| 10:35.56 | ShishKabab | HaC|away: Nope, see http://www.pastie.org/pastes/1524379/text . |
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| 10:37.01 | ogi | http://deb.li/Ii8h dives 500 Internal Server Error |
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| 10:37.13 | ogi | any ideas? (this is my first use of deb.li) |
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| 10:38.42 | HaC|away | ShishKabab: right.. |
| 10:38.53 | ShishKabab | frikinz: It doesn't give extra system calls, but strangely enough it also doesn't have effect on the cut-off "cannot run command `/usr/bin/php5-cgi'"..., 38cannot run command `/usr/bin/php5-cgi' string. |
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| 10:40.04 | bashext | why may I be getting upgrades for packages like ia32-libs or perl, and not seeing a security advisory for them ? |
| 10:40.11 | frikinz | ShishKabab: I'd say its more execve("/usr/bin/php5-cgi", ["/usr/bin/php5-cgi"], [/* 15 vars */]) = -1 ENOTDIR (Not a directory) |
| 10:40.19 | ogi | bzed: ping |
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| 10:40.40 | ShishKabab | frikinz: Yes, me too. The rest is just error reporting. |
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| 10:41.28 | bashext | the upgrade seems to be by security. i.e. 5.10.0-19lenny3 => http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/p/perl/perl_5.10.0-19lenny3/changelog |
| 10:42.10 | frikinz | ShishKabab: does the chroot at least works with chroot / /usr/bin/php5-cgi -v |
| 10:42.23 | bashext | neither here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2011/threads.html |
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| 10:44.30 | ShishKabab | frikinz: Yes, it does. So something that it is not trying to access must be missing in the chroot. |
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| 10:45.44 | frikinz | ShishKabab: you don't have links that point out of the chroot? I've never encountered this ENOTDIR myself. |
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| 10:48.10 | HaC|away | ShishKabab: did you try to chroot into webroot and execute /usr/bin/php5-cgi there ? but thats just possible if you have a shell available :) |
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| 10:49.47 | ShishKabab | frikinz: No, http://www.pastie.org/1524505 |
| 10:50.21 | ShishKabab | HaC|away: No, I've not placed a shell in there to keep the script kiddies out :) |
| 10:50.48 | HaC|away | right |
| 10:50.50 | HaC|away | but for testing ? |
| 10:53.42 | themill | bashext: these were released as part of the 5.0.8 point release. |
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| 10:55.12 | ShishKabab | HaC|away: Interesting. The same error. http://www.pastie.org/1524515 |
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| 10:57.01 | HaC|away | ShishKabab: so its anyhow related to the script... |
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| 11:01.09 | rooisto47 | hi everybody I'm begeener in bash, and have a question : here is the commande i typed -----------> login@host:~$ cp `locate -i dido |grep mp3` /flash |
| 11:01.28 | rooisto47 | it's supposed to copy all dido's found songs to my flash drive ok ! |
| 11:01.51 | rooisto47 | but the problems is with songs that contains "spaces" in their names |
| 11:01.57 | themill | dpkg: tell rooisto47 about using find |
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| 11:02.20 | rooisto47 | it cosider them like separated files |
| 11:02.32 | themill | rooisto47: the lessons that are in that wiki page about using null separators apply to locate and grep too. |
| 11:02.33 | rooisto47 | themill: no, I know do it with find |
| 11:02.42 | rooisto47 | just to practise with bash |
| 11:02.52 | ShishKabab | HaC|away: How? It just does mkdir -p /webroot/usr/bin followed by cp -a /usr/bin/php5* /webroot/usr/bin/ (among other things like copying libraries). Here it is using Python and Fabric http://www.pastie.org/1524532 . |
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| 11:03.51 | bashext | themill, ah thanks, now I can see them in the 5.0.8 release anounce... hehe I was a bit confused |
| 11:04.03 | themill | np |
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| 11:05.32 | rooisto47 | so the question is how one can make the output of `locate -i dido|grep mp3` looks like string and escapes the spaces ?! |
| 11:05.38 | HaC|away | ShishKabab: i think easiest would be to try strace in the changeroot ? |
| 11:05.46 | HaC|away | else it would be running through all the code :) |
| 11:06.01 | themill | rooisto47: you use null separation in exactly the same way as you would with find -- exactly as that wiki page describes. |
| 11:06.18 | bashext | rooisto47, printf '%q' "$( your_cmd )" # ? |
| 11:06.25 | gintek | hi folks, have you any idea how do auth i apache. IP1 can login without pass, IP2 must user pass ? |
| 11:06.35 | rooisto47 | ok I'll take a look on it |
| 11:06.44 | themill | bashext, rooisto47: no.... |
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| 11:08.04 | ShishKabab | HaC|away: Ok, I'm trying to find a statically compiled strace. |
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| 11:19.01 | miha | last night i changed to unstable and now apache2 break (suphp) is there a way to change back to stable without reinstall? ) |
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| 11:19.45 | streuner | dpkg, downgrade |
| 11:19.45 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 11:19.52 | spiekey | Hello! |
| 11:19.59 | ShishKabab | ShishKabab, frikinz: I've found the problem! The directory /webroot/lib64 did not exist and the ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 file in it. |
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| 11:20.30 | spiekey | i think we have a nfs bug regarding kernel 2.6.18 and the new nfs utilities in squeeze. I even have a proof of concept |
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| 11:21.06 | miha | streuner: ok thx... next question, how to force new config files for apache2 ? i shouldnt have said N, it seems |
| 11:21.10 | miha | [Thu Feb 03 12:14:50 2011] [error] [client 193.95.248.123] SecurityException in Application.cpp:496: Handler not found in configuration |
| 11:21.13 | miha | [Thu Feb 03 12:14:50 2011] [error] [client 193.95.248.123] Caused by KeyNotFoundException in Configuration.cpp:234: Handler "x-httpd-php" not found |
| 11:21.16 | miha | [Thu Feb 03 12:14:50 2011] [error] [client 193.95.248.123] Premature end of script headers: index.php |
| 11:21.33 | petemc | spiekey: 2.6.18? is that etch ? |
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| 11:22.06 | spiekey | petemc, the official DomU Xen Kernel |
| 11:22.18 | spiekey | 2.6.18.8-xenU |
| 11:22.18 | petemc | official from who? |
| 11:22.36 | spiekey | 2.6.18.8-xenU is build from source |
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| 11:23.10 | petemc | i would hazard a guess that most people dont care about bugs in 2.6.18 now |
| 11:23.26 | petemc | icbw |
| 11:25.18 | spiekey | properly |
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| 11:45.35 | DotHack | i´m having some thougt.. im tcpdumping udp packets on my external interface on a server wich is a ipsec l2tp openswan server |
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| 11:46.25 | flobbie | I have got a kvm guest and can't get ipv6 to work inside the vm. The guest and the host can ping each other, but if I ping ipv6.google.com I only can see requests on the host, but no responses. My ipv6 setup: "ip -6 neigh add proxy 2a01:4f8:120:5363::3 ( guest-ip ) dev eth0; ip -6 neigh add proxy 2a01:4f8:120:5363::2 ( host-ip ) dev tap0; ip -6 route add 2a01:4f8:120:5363::3 ( guest -ip ) dev tap0;" Is there a route missing, because I think my host |
| 11:46.27 | flobbie | is not looking for packets on the guest-ip? |
| 11:46.31 | DotHack | now i see a lot of UDP ESP packets wich is good but sometimes i see a line with a packet traveling for the server to the client wich is just udp can anyone clarify this? |
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| 11:48.00 | KaffeeJunky123 | on squeeze I have a rather strange issue with network-manager, it doesn't seem to work without gdm3 running |
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| 11:48.34 | KaffeeJunky123 | atleast dns doesn't work so ping google.com or similar results in host not found |
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| 11:49.19 | KaffeeJunky123 | anyone an idea what I could do about it? |
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| 11:49.50 | petemc | KaffeeJunky123: it works if gdm is running? |
| 11:49.50 | KaffeeJunky123 | if not I'll just setup the correct interface configuration and try to connect with the tradintional ifup method |
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| 11:50.08 | KaffeeJunky123 | petemc: yes it works when gdm and the networking applet are running |
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| 11:50.45 | petemc | KaffeeJunky123: have you looked in /etc/resolv.conf when its working versus when its not working? |
| 11:51.02 | KaffeeJunky123 | petemc: not yet, I will |
| 11:51.40 | KaffeeJunky123 | petemc: I'll brb got a gnome irc client ^^ |
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| 11:53.01 | KaffeeJunky123 | petemc: it's empty without gdm |
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| 11:53.48 | KaffeeJunky123 | petemc: when gdm is running it does contain entrys for domain search and nameserver |
| 11:53.58 | petemc | KaffeeJunky123: its probably more network manager than gdm |
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| 11:54.50 | KaffeeJunky123 | petemc: I tried /etc/init.d/network-manager restart when running without X, but that didn't help :/ |
| 11:55.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | petemc: networkmanager should work without it's gnome interface ^^ |
| 11:55.21 | petemc | should it? |
| 11:55.29 | KaffeeJunky123 | yes it should |
| 11:55.31 | petemc | its not something i know much about |
| 11:55.35 | KaffeeJunky123 | it did so in the past |
| 11:56.11 | KaffeeJunky123 | I guess I'll just manually configure the network for now |
| 11:56.18 | KaffeeJunky123 | later |
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| 12:01.53 | KaffeeJunky123 | I really wonder why networkmanager bugged |
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| 12:04.01 | KaffeeJunky123 | what part in networkmanager is responsible for generating the /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 12:20.33 | decent | hi |
| 12:20.56 | decent | i need a help in developing the evolution mail client in debian |
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| 12:21.10 | decent | can any one help me out? |
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| 12:38.07 | manhunter | hi |
| 12:38.20 | manhunter | i downloaded debian-squeeze-r2.iso installer |
| 12:38.54 | manhunter | if the debian squeeze.iso final installer is released , will we get the final debian squeeze then ? |
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| 12:39.21 | xyan | what a question! |
| 12:39.25 | xyan | sure |
| 12:40.09 | manhunter | xyan, are you sure? |
| 12:40.40 | manhunter | does debian squeeze final release mean debian final insaller iso? |
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| 12:41.07 | HaC|away | ShishKabab: perfect :) |
| 12:41.21 | themill | manhunter: you can upgrade between lenny and squeeze fairly easily -- you can upgrade between squeeze 2 days prior to release and squeeze when released too. |
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| 12:41.33 | streuner | !squeeze |
| 12:41.34 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <wwsr> for recent updates and see also <testing> <squeeze udev> <squeeze kernel> <lenny->squeeze> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze . The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 12:41.57 | ShishKabab | HaC|away: Yes, thanks for the help! |
| 12:42.18 | manhunter | themill, i know i can upgrade doing aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 12:42.35 | streuner | so whats the question then? |
| 12:42.37 | themill | manhunter: well, there's a little more to it than that, but yes.. |
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| 12:43.11 | manhunter | streuner, themill you can read the question again |
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| 12:43.39 | themill | manhunter: neither of us understand your question. Can you have another go? |
| 12:44.05 | streuner | manhunter: ehm, you can use the downloaded iso as well, and use the advise of us aout dist-upgrade then? |
| 12:44.16 | streuner | s/aout/about/ |
| 12:44.28 | streuner | hopes he unterstood it now |
| 12:44.42 | manhunter | themill, ok, suppose we get the debian squeeze final installer , does that mean we got final stable debian squeeze ? |
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| 12:45.06 | manhunter | debian squeeze is not stable now |
| 12:45.12 | streuner | manhunter: /msg dpkg security |
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| 12:45.15 | themill | squeeze is going to be released this weekend |
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| 12:45.35 | streuner | after that you make an entry for security |
| 12:46.01 | manhunter | themill, i'm glad to hear that news ,thank you very much , i was waiting for this for one year |
| 12:46.16 | manhunter | to get the stable squeeze |
| 12:46.38 | manhunter | it took long time to get debian squeeze stable |
| 12:46.45 | amphi | but squeeze is so _old_ |
| 12:46.50 | amphi | hides |
| 12:46.55 | streuner | amphi: lol |
| 12:47.07 | streuner | wait at least 4 weeks :-P |
| 12:47.20 | amphi | heh |
| 12:47.58 | manhunter | streuner, wait at 4 weeks for what ? |
| 12:47.58 | streuner | well, after some months people saying prolly squeeze is old then :-) |
| 12:48.14 | streuner | 4 weeks after squeeze is stable... |
| 12:48.36 | manhunter | streuner, i also have the debian squeeze installed |
| 12:48.54 | manhunter | it has many things to fix bugs |
| 12:50.11 | themill | manhunter: it's a bit late now... you needed to fix them months ago. |
| 12:50.59 | manhunter | themill, actually i don't know how to fix bugs |
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| 12:51.21 | manhunter | themill, i don't know how to make .deb packages |
| 12:51.45 | manhunter | themill, is there any link as a tutorial to fix bugs for debian? |
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| 12:53.02 | manhunter | themill, i think bugs are endless, there is always bugs for a system |
| 12:53.41 | themill | manhunter: yes, which means that there's always things you can help with. http://wiki.debian.org/BugTriage is a reasonable start. There's other resources on the wiki |
| 12:54.48 | Switch | hey guys, my computer is pretty good (8600gt, dual core, 4gb ram etc) yet I can't play 1080p media files smoothly |
| 12:54.57 | Switch | I've tried all the players |
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| 12:55.01 | Switch | mplayer, vlc, etc |
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| 12:55.19 | rozie | Switch: which driver for graphic card? |
| 12:55.41 | Switch | rozie: I don't know, the one it prompted me to install when I set the machine up |
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| 12:56.20 | rozie | tells me nothing |
| 12:56.35 | Switch | rozie: okay... |
| 12:56.48 | amphi | rozie: look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 12:56.49 | Switch | rozie: I'm sorry? |
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| 12:57.19 | rozie | use nvidia binary driver with vdpau as a driver in mplayer |
| 12:57.25 | Switch | rozie: yeah, I have the latest driver |
| 12:57.25 | rozie | (hope this card supports it) |
| 12:57.25 | Switch | rozie: or so it tells me |
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| 12:59.12 | Switch | rozie: so, what do I do if I have the latest driver? |
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| 12:59.56 | rozie | Switch: you check if you card has vdpau support |
| 13:00.13 | rozie | if so, you choose this as video driver in mplayer |
| 13:00.40 | Switch | rozie: it's an 8600GT, a pretty modern card |
| 13:00.48 | Switch | rozie: ok |
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| 13:02.10 | Switch | rozie: there's no way to choose the video driver in gnome-mplayer |
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| 13:08.30 | rozie | Switch: I'd use (g)mplayer |
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| 13:08.41 | rozie | maybe even from debian-multimedia repository |
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| 13:26.48 | Switch | rozie |
| 13:26.49 | Switch | no |
| 13:26.56 | Switch | rhat's what I use |
| 13:27.50 | Paws__ | Sup.. I have this slight problem atm, im trying to route all my traffic to a VPN, but i want exceptions for the LAN and some host ips. When i tried i lost ssh and i had to yeah.. |
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| 13:28.44 | Paws__ | Does anyone know to do make a split tunnel via Route for vpn |
| 13:28.58 | Switch | Paws__: no |
| 13:29.14 | Paws__ | okay |
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| 13:29.43 | rozie | Switch: (g)mplayer from debian-multimedia has vdpau support for sure |
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| 13:29.56 | rozie | maybe you need to install additonal packages |
| 13:30.01 | Switch | rozie: so the movie playing smoothly all comes down to vdpau support? |
| 13:31.09 | HaC|away | is there any possibility in debian to disable usb support after bootup ? |
| 13:31.20 | roe | I think there is a bug in squeeze somewhere. When my CPU temp starts to heat up, the fan responds as it should, however when my cpu hits 70°C the fan maxes out and never slows down, even after my cpu has been idle for hours (the temp gnome temp panel also never changes from 70°) |
| 13:31.24 | rozie | well, it should move significant part of work from CPU to GPU |
| 13:31.36 | HaC|away | blacklisting the modules doesnt help als modules are loaded at runtime.. |
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| 13:31.58 | rozie | Switch: I can't remember if I played any 1080 file |
| 13:32.36 | rozie | HaC|away: why do you want to disable USB? |
| 13:32.47 | HaC|away | because usb is eval :) |
| 13:32.55 | HaC|away | na its just to have nobody add some usb storage or stuff |
| 13:33.03 | HaC|away | i need to have it at boottime |
| 13:33.11 | HaC|away | because of having a keyfile for diskencryption on a stick |
| 13:33.17 | HaC|away | so i cannot disable it in bios |
| 13:33.24 | simplechat | Hey guys, is there any page/etc. showing an estimated release date of squeeze? |
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| 13:33.57 | rozie | HaC|away: you can prevent users from using USB mass storege with proper rights |
| 13:34.02 | Pumba | simplechat: it's called "topic" |
| 13:34.15 | HaC|away | ahh |
| 13:34.26 | simplechat | Ok, i can't read. |
| 13:34.26 | Switch | rozie: thanks for the help |
| 13:34.29 | simplechat | thanks for that :) Pumba |
| 13:34.34 | HaC|away | rozie: so if the user doesn't have any rights..he's unable to use any usb mass storage ? |
| 13:34.51 | rozie | Switch: did it help? |
| 13:34.56 | HaC|away | i see...and what avout the nousb boot option ? |
| 13:35.04 | Switch | rozie: I don't have vdpau, I'm installing it now |
| 13:35.06 | HaC|away | ahh but i need it at boot time |
| 13:35.26 | rozie | HaC|away: it must have *some* rights |
| 13:35.32 | HaC|away | yeah....i know |
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| 13:36.15 | rozie | but if they don't have root access, you can setup system in a way, that they won't be able to use USB |
| 13:36.34 | HaC|away | right, thats the way it has to be... |
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| 13:37.12 | HaC|away | ok i'll have a try...any hints? is it a special group the have to be into to use usb ? |
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| 13:41.35 | soundNICK | ah topic answers my question... squeeze planned in several days ! Thank you topic setters |
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| 13:46.55 | Bushmills | yes, like "free beer tomorrow! |
| 13:46.57 | Switch | rozie |
| 13:46.59 | Switch | I installed it |
| 13:47.09 | Switch | but I haven't configured it or anything |
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| 13:48.03 | rozie | Switch: you may need to restart X server |
| 13:48.12 | Switch | rozie: how do I do that? |
| 13:48.26 | rozie | reboot makes it for sure |
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| 13:48.44 | Switch | k |
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| 13:48.49 | rozie | ctrl+alt+backspace - may work, if setted so |
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| 13:49.21 | djura-san | hai |
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| 13:50.51 | Switch | djura-san: get out |
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| 13:51.14 | djura-san | Switch: why? |
| 13:51.17 | djura-san | =) |
| 13:51.22 | Switch | djura-san: get out |
| 13:51.49 | djura-san | why? |
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| 13:53.27 | stew | wow, this is exciting: http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugs.cgi?release=squeeze_and_sid&merged=ign&done=ign&fnewerval=7&rc=1 |
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| 13:59.54 | themill | stew: if we work hard, we can solve that problem... |
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| 14:16.13 | anigma | http://pastebin.com/sVRygMaZ -- does this basically mean that I have to install the following packages in order to install spotify? |
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| 14:17.33 | themill | anigma: where are these packages from? they don't seem to be in debian. |
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| 14:18.28 | dan- | i've them in squeeze/main i386 packages |
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| 14:18.45 | anigma | themill: you're right. I'm getting them from spotify's repository list |
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| 14:20.37 | themill | anigma: I take it you're running lenny -- those packages are not designed for lenny |
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| 14:22.54 | anigma | so it matters if I'm using lenny or not? or is it because the packages spotify depends on are designed for squeeze and not for lenny? |
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| 14:23.32 | themill | they look like they are made for squeeze not lenny, but you should ask the people who made these packages about that |
| 14:24.17 | anigma | oh, heh, I missed this line: "Weâve packaged it for Debian Squeeze/Ubuntu 10.04 package and for Fedora 13, i386 and x86_64." |
| 14:24.25 | joltcan | Or just bite the bullit and upgrade to squeeze? |
| 14:24.27 | anigma | sorry about that :) |
| 14:25.04 | anigma | I will as soon as it's released. |
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| 14:27.40 | themill | anigma: it's being release this weekend; it's unlikely any/many packages will be changing between now and then. |
| 14:29.01 | stew | any: yes, many: certainly not |
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| 14:44.25 | aton` | hi |
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| 14:45.00 | aton` | i am new to debian and wondering what the "expert" install option will offer compared to the normal install? |
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| 14:46.03 | abrotman | just more options .. more chances to shoot yourself in the foot :) |
| 14:46.31 | aton` | will kde be installed by default? |
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| 14:47.08 | aton` | i am unsure between normal install, expert install, graphical expert install and kde graphical install lol |
| 14:47.12 | stew | am I losing my mind? why is "grep '^[a-z]*$' /usr/share/dict/words" only returning letters with an uppercase letter? |
| 14:47.42 | stew | aton`: graphical versions of the installer are exactly like the non-graphical version but with nicer fonts |
| 14:47.54 | stew | aton`: don't bother with expert until you know you need it |
| 14:47.55 | aton` | and the normal version doesnt install xorg? |
| 14:48.10 | themill | stew: A is between a and B in en LC_COLLATE |
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| 14:48.18 | stew | aton`: they all offer the possibility of asking for (among other things) a "desktop" install |
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| 14:48.36 | aton` | stew: ah thanks |
| 14:48.46 | stew | themill: between a and z ? |
| 14:48.49 | petemc | stew: its not here, it just goes through them linearly |
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| 14:49.10 | themill | stew: [a-z] == aAbBcC ...zZ |
| 14:49.33 | stew | oh, hmm, LANG=c grep... does what I expect |
| 14:49.42 | themill | or LC_COLLATE=C, yes. |
| 14:50.30 | stew | and now I get 64k results |
| 14:50.42 | stew | but, "LANG=c grep '^[:lower:]*$' /usr/share/dict/words | wc -l" -> 46? |
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| 14:51.28 | stew | oh |
| 14:51.38 | themill | [[:lower:]] |
| 14:51.38 | stew | heh, only words with l,o,w,e,r,: |
| 14:51.57 | themill | yeah ;) |
| 14:51.59 | OpenTokix | Slow day at the office stew, themill? =) |
| 14:52.24 | stew | themill: can you please how to use me regulars expretion, 10x |
| 14:52.55 | themill | !stab stew |
| 14:52.55 | dpkg | runs at stew with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 14:53.02 | stew | no u |
| 14:54.03 | themill | «LC_COLLATE=C grep -c '^[[:lower:]]*$' /usr/share/dict/words» and «LC_COLLATE=C grep -c '^[a-z]*$' /usr/share/dict/words» give different results... I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader to figure out why. |
| 14:55.22 | stew | C or c? |
| 14:55.51 | themill | C; é is included in [:lower:] but not in a-z. |
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| 14:56.55 | stew | hmm |
| 14:57.11 | stew | LC_COLLATE=c is much faster than LC_COLLATE=C ? |
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| 14:57.36 | themill | (also a few other letters like â, ê etc) |
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| 14:58.11 | stew | LC_COLLATE=C grep '^[a-z]*$' /usr/share/dict/words | pv | wc -l => 12kb/s ? |
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| 14:59.36 | stew | but i still always get 64025 results, probably because I'm using a dictionary for dumb americans |
| 14:59.42 | themill | hehe |
| 14:59.42 | aton` | hm i chose my language and the country, now something is going in a loop: kbd-mode: setting console mode to unicode (utf-8) and then caught signal 6 (unknown origin) |
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| 15:01.25 | aton` | reboot and new try worked |
| 15:01.43 | themill | LANG=C grep ... is fast while LC_COLLATE=C grep ... is slow. *puzzle* |
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| 15:02.26 | office`guru | hi ;) |
| 15:02.50 | aton` | do i need a swap partition? i got 4gb memory |
| 15:03.01 | stew | themill: really slow, right? |
| 15:03.28 | stew | aton`: we'd recommend at least a small one. if you want to suspend to disk, then we'd recommend an larger one |
| 15:03.46 | aton` | stew: ok |
| 15:03.56 | themill | stew: mindblowingly... 700Ã slower. |
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| 15:04.29 | aton` | stew: whats "small"? |
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| 15:05.59 | kombi | which file in /etc is it again, that is executed on startup? |
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| 15:07.54 | office`guru | i have an Atheros AR5413 mini-pci card and have succsessfully been connected to my network (using wpa2). but: after a few minutes idle the card seems to enter an "stand by" mode. my computer can not be pinged or anything else. can anybody help me, fixing this? |
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| 15:08.24 | office`guru | when pinging my router or google or whatever the whole day it keeps the connection |
| 15:08.36 | amphi | kombi: files in /etc/rc$RUN_LEVEL.d - by default rc2.d |
| 15:08.41 | office`guru | and sry for my bad english ;) |
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| 15:10.34 | amphi | office`guru: perhaps you can turn off power management with iwconfig or iwpriv? |
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| 15:11.20 | kombi | amphi: point taken! I just remembered there to be one for general things like mounts and stuff |
| 15:11.42 | office`guru | amphi: iwconfig says power management is off, iwpriv says "no private ioctls." |
| 15:11.51 | amphi | kombi: point? do you mean /etc/fstab ? |
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| 15:14.16 | themill | stew: with LC_COLLATE=c you have an invalid locale so it's ignored; with LANG=C you choose not to use any specific collation so none is loaded; with LC_COLLATE=C you are choosing to load the collation out of /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive and thus a pile of sort order comparisons that bring in é etc into the collation appear. Apparently LANG=C and LC_COLLATE=C give different results... yay? I guess that makes sense to someone out there. |
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| 15:15.22 | jhutchins_lt | office`guru: which kernel are you running? |
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| 15:20.51 | office`guru | jhutchins: 2.6.29.4 |
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| 15:21.27 | kombi | amphi: fstab it is!;) |
| 15:21.29 | office`guru | jhutchins_lt of course ;) |
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| 15:22.04 | jhutchins_lt | office`guru: What distribution is that? |
| 15:22.16 | zuasive | Greetings folks |
| 15:22.23 | office`guru | lenny |
| 15:22.40 | kombi | amphi: but then, how does mount --bind /source /destination translate into an entry in fstab? |
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| 15:23.14 | llutz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.21 | zuasive | Anyone have a second? I'm having some fun with an AD domain join. |
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| 15:23.58 | amphi | kombi: man mount describes this |
| 15:24.05 | kombi | thx! |
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| 15:24.45 | office`guru | jhutchins_lt: 5.0.7 exactly (if it matters) |
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| 15:25.08 | jhutchins_lt | office`guru: Have you tried it with the debian kernel? |
| 15:25.35 | zuasive | If someone gets a chance just let me know, thanx |
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| 15:27.33 | office`guru | jhutchins_lt: it should be the default kernel i got via apt. i didn't choose an other |
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| 15:33.19 | zuasive | Seems quiet now anyone have experience joining debain to an AD domain? |
| 15:33.36 | zuasive | I've done it before but now four months later I'm getting different results |
| 15:33.48 | zuasive | Most notable is failure |
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| 15:36.49 | macrobat | grub-mkconfig adds all kernels it can find to /boot/grub/grub.cfg . Currently i have 26 entries in the grub menu and there will be more. Is there some way to only add entries that i specify? |
| 15:37.03 | macrobat | is grub-mkconfig run when i install a new kernel? |
| 15:37.15 | jhutchins_lt | How does an ordinary user change their shell preference? |
| 15:37.24 | lizi | Hi I'm having some trouble setting up a webserver on sqeeze. I know it's still testing, however the default apache2 config seems to be with mpm-worker, which requires php5 to run as cgi. I used apache2 with fcgid. DSoesnt work out of the box. I edited the fcgid.conf so that php would run, but the thing is very slow, and simply button bashing the reload button on firefox causes the server to start loads of php processes using a |
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| 15:37.51 | office`guru | jhutchins_lt: oh, it seems not to be via apt distributed ones, i'll have a try |
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| 15:39.03 | jhutchins_lt | office`guru: I really have to wonder what you're actually running. Stock lenny kernel is .26, backports is .32. |
| 15:39.08 | stew | lizi: do you want to be running php as cgi? you can install prefork |
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| 15:39.34 | office`guru | jhutchins_lt: but i don't know, how it got there :o |
| 15:39.35 | stew | jhutchins_lt: chsh -s /usr/bin/zsh |
| 15:39.49 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Is that permanent? |
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| 15:39.55 | stew | jhutchins_lt: yes |
| 15:40.12 | jhutchins_lt | !tell office`guru about bdo |
| 15:40.20 | jhutchins_lt | office`guru: How did you get .29? |
| 15:40.24 | lizi | stew i dont really want to run php as cgi. but the libapache2-mod-php5 only works with prefork. I just want to know how fcgid and the like are supposed to work |
| 15:40.28 | jhutchins_lt | office`guru: Please pastebin your sources.list |
| 15:40.32 | lizi | stew |
| 15:41.13 | stew | judd: depends libapache2-mod-php5 --release squeeze |
| 15:41.15 | judd | Package libapache2-mod-php5 -- depends: libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.11), libcomerr2 (>= 1.01), libdb4.8, libgssapi-krb5-2 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libk5crypto3 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libkrb5-3 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libonig2 (>= 5.2.0), libpcre3 (>= 7.7), libqdbm14 (>= 1.8.74), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8m-1), libxml2 (>= 2.7.4), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), mime-support, apache2-mpm-prefork (>> 2.0.52) | apache2-mpm-itk, apache2.2-common, |
| 15:41.16 | judd | php5-common (= 5.3.3-7), libmagic1, ucf, tzdata. |
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| 15:41.36 | nsadmin | what's the pkg name for the nonfree codecs for mplayer? |
| 15:41.58 | stew | lizi: so you don't want cgi or prefork? |
| 15:41.59 | nsadmin | right now interested in flv |
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| 15:43.18 | lizi | stew. I'm fine running prefork with no cgi. I just wonder how that famous new supposedly faster way is supposed to work |
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| 15:43.37 | lizi | stew if you know how to make cgi work with prefork i'm listening |
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| 15:45.49 | office`guru | jhutchins_lt: wait a moment, my network at home is currently down ^^ |
| 15:45.56 | office`guru | will be back in a minute |
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| 15:47.26 | grand_grunt | nsadmin: gstreamer plugins "bad" and "ugly", or else VLC |
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| 15:48.40 | michelem | hello folks |
| 15:49.15 | michelem | I'm having a problem installing ssmtp: the post-install script fails on some machines. Do I have any way to ignore it? |
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| 15:49.34 | office`guru | jhutchins_lt: just 2 lines: http://nopaste.info/86e0ae1410.html |
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| 15:50.42 | EM03 | where is the current docs on bind9 for debian stable? |
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| 15:51.25 | michelem | people still use the huge buggy beast? |
| 15:51.27 | Strogg | Can someone confirm a bug for me re: libusb-1.0 and pkg-config? I'm on squeeze. |
| 15:51.44 | dvs | EM03: Isn't there a bind9-doc package? |
| 15:52.06 | Bushmills | aptitude install bind9-doc; dpkg -L bind9-doc |
| 15:52.28 | Strogg | If you have libusb-1.0-0-dev installed, and you do pkg-config --list-all, it's not shown there, but if you do pkg-config --libs libusb-1.0, then it shows the correct output. for some reason, libusb-1.0 isn't shown in the output of --list-all |
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| 15:53.56 | NoNaMeNo | I can't find the Readme that is suposed to be at /etc/freeradius/certs |
| 15:54.13 | NoNaMeNo | I don't knwo how to do these certs |
| 15:54.15 | NoNaMeNo | any idea? |
| 15:55.24 | petemc | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 7821 2010-08-18 11:14 /etc/freeradius/certs/README |
| 15:55.35 | petemc | did you use the debian package of freeradius ? |
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| 15:56.10 | NoNaMeNo | yes |
| 15:56.20 | NoNaMeNo | I found it at /usr/share/doc/freeradius/examples/certs |
| 15:57.20 | nsadmin | grand_grunt: hmm. haven't installed gstreamer or vlc yet... I guess I could do that |
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| 16:06.42 | jhutchins_lt | office`guru: If the .29 kernel was a .deb, you could remove it and install the stock .26 kernel, or you can just use backports and install the .32. |
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| 16:13.43 | nsadmin | what is the shape of the gstreamer packages? O |
| 16:14.22 | nsadmin | I was trying to find the package with the gstreamer executable, and instead found lots of libs and plugins |
| 16:14.26 | ram0 | nsadmin: I haven't check the relevant package for flv files to answer your question but let me tell you that smplayer can play flv whereas mplayer does not. |
| 16:14.39 | ram0 | *checked |
| 16:14.52 | nsadmin | appreciate the shout |
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| 16:16.21 | Duga | helo ;-) |
| 16:16.23 | BlackFate | ram0, mplayer can play flvs just fine |
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| 16:17.10 | nsadmin | my original desire is to play youtubes, but iceweasel tends to crash after awhile |
| 16:17.21 | Duga | Has anyone idea why vlc keep pixeling wideo (RMVB strongly compressed) by moving? |
| 16:17.37 | nsadmin | whereas it doesn't if flash is not called upon during a particular run of iceweasel |
| 16:17.53 | ram0 | BlackFate: Ah, then I should have added a suitable pronoun about myself to rephrase it: my installation of mplayer... |
| 16:17.59 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: install minitube |
| 16:18.14 | nsadmin | !info minitube |
| 16:18.22 | thewanderer1 | ,info minitube |
| 16:18.23 | judd | No record of package 'minitube' in lenny/i386. |
| 16:18.33 | thewanderer1 | ,info --release=squeeze minitube |
| 16:18.34 | nsadmin | in squeeze, right? |
| 16:18.35 | judd | No record of package '--release=squeeze' in lenny/i386. |
| 16:18.37 | dpkg | minitube: (Native YouTube client), section video, is extra. Version: 1.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 473 kB, Installed size: 1308 kB |
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| 16:19.20 | thewanderer1 | sid even |
| 16:19.31 | stew | thewanderer1: --release needs to come last |
| 16:19.32 | nsadmin | hmm. thanks, I'll keep that in mind |
| 16:19.57 | nsadmin | judd needs a workign getopt :) |
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| 16:20.36 | stew | nsadmin: its no so easy with supybot. i tried and gave up after wasting too much time on it |
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| 16:20.59 | thewanderer1 | eh. judd should be in PHP :P |
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| 16:21.18 | nsadmin | o jaba! |
| 16:21.38 | nsadmin | what is supy written in? |
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| 16:21.57 | thewanderer1 | the snake |
| 16:22.30 | nsadmin | oh, hmm... |
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| 16:23.38 | nsadmin | ok, howbout this... does debian squeeze have a scorm player? |
| 16:23.50 | nsadmin | and/or authoring system? |
| 16:24.32 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Perhaps you have mplayer from contrib instead of dmm? |
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| 16:24.56 | nsadmin | good possibility.... here's policy of it: |
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| 16:25.53 | nsadmin | http://pastebin.com/vzW7ZgQ4 |
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| 16:37.38 | nsadmin | hmm. my dmm source (which is deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main non-free) is not showing up in apt-cache policy |
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| 16:38.55 | EM03 | where do php error logs go on debian? |
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| 16:41.37 | grand_grunt | nsadmin: clive or cclive can download videos from Youtube without using Flash Player ©, too |
| 16:43.14 | ram0 | Also there is tinyogg.com to convert to free ogv format. |
| 16:44.18 | nsadmin | ok, so here's my situation... I do like running youtube from the browser, except sometimes it crashes... when that happens I don't always want to restart the browser because it moreorless works still, so I'd start a youtube vid from the browser, pause it, it continues to download it and I'll watch it using mplayer... I don't see it as the best option but rather as a workaround |
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| 16:45.26 | nsadmin | in summary, I wish firefox/flash didn't crash, but that's not gonna happen, is it... |
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| 16:47.09 | cusco | hi |
| 16:47.13 | nsadmin | but, what about this gstreamer thing, is it a client? server? both? what package has the main executable? |
| 16:47.33 | cusco | I'm sure some have come across this issue: 'sox was compiled without mp3 support' |
| 16:48.19 | cusco | is there a way around it without recompiling from sourc |
| 16:48.22 | cusco | e? |
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| 16:48.42 | nsadmin | maybe sox has plugins |
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| 16:48.54 | nsadmin | maybe you can convert to/from mp3 using lame |
| 16:48.55 | cusco | nsadmin: even after installing them... |
| 16:48.57 | nsadmin | or something |
| 16:49.09 | cusco | I could, just using sox for everything |
| 16:49.18 | cusco | this was on an upgrade.. it used to work.. |
| 16:49.22 | cusco | a while back... |
| 16:49.26 | ram0 | nsadmin: That's half of what I do with smplayer, the other half was using (c)clive till they needed upgrade which I didn't do yet. (Also there is a youtube search plugin in totem, it does the searching part excellent, but my totem doet not play the results) |
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| 16:49.58 | nsadmin | ram0: so you have to workaround too |
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| 16:51.53 | ram0 | nsadmin: Well the real workaround is to give a hand in gnash/other free alternatives which I know nothing about, but yeah right. |
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| 16:52.45 | msshams | hi, i have a folder contain many folder and files. i want to change permission of all folders to 755 and all files to 644. how can i do that? |
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| 16:53.06 | akkark | chmod -R |
| 16:53.32 | nsadmin | be careful with -R on chmod |
| 16:53.36 | msshams | akkark: chmod -R changes all folders and files. |
| 16:53.50 | nsadmin | you want a coupla finds |
| 16:54.02 | msshams | nsadmin: can you help me more? |
| 16:54.05 | karlpinc | msshams: find -t TYPE -exec chmod R {}\; |
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| 16:54.23 | aton` | msshams: what karlpinc says |
| 16:54.36 | nsadmin | you don't need R if you're using find :) |
| 16:54.41 | karlpinc | msshams: (sorta) You'll want to read the man pages (chmod needs the permissons you want to set. |
| 16:54.42 | Argafal | Hi, I got a question regarding suspend. I do NOT have a swap parition. I want to suspend my system (not hibernate), hence put it in sleep mode while recycling the memory contents. Nothing for that is installed and I see that people usually use uswsusp for that reason. However THAT wants a swap parition. I'm confused. |
| 16:54.44 | karlpinc | nsadmin: *doh* |
| 16:54.46 | stew | msshams: find /path -type d -exec chmod 775 {} + ; find /path -type f -exec chmod 664 {} + |
| 16:55.07 | msshams | tanks guys |
| 16:55.12 | nsadmin | look at what find . -type d outputs |
| 16:55.20 | nsadmin | see if that's all the dirs |
| 16:55.40 | hasan | does anybody know which alias for o (for company) outlook uses? |
| 16:55.43 | hasan | because the company name in my ldap adressbook is empty, although I have "o=companyname" in each users entry. |
| 16:55.43 | aton` | msshams: chmod 644 /path/* -R; find /path -type d -exec chmod a+x {} |
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| 16:56.17 | thewanderer1 | aton`: missed the ';' in find exec |
| 16:56.22 | aton` | ; |
| 16:56.33 | karlpinc | stew: Cool. Didn't know about the +, but don't you need a ; for the exec? |
| 16:56.34 | nsadmin | if that's all right, then you can find . -type d | xargs chmod 755 |
| 16:56.40 | stew | you want + not ; |
| 16:56.52 | karlpinc | stew: I thought the ; was required to end the exec. |
| 16:56.58 | stew | karlpinc: no, + instead of ; which means "do many at a time" like xargs vs xargs -n1 |
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| 16:57.16 | karlpinc | stew: Cool. |
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| 16:57.32 | stew | karlpinc: the end of the exec can be either ; for "do this once for every file" or + for "build a file list and do it once" (or as few times as possible given command line length limit) |
| 16:57.32 | nsadmin | well since ; is special to the shell and would swallow and interpret it if you don't protect it.... \; |
| 16:57.43 | remoteCTRL | hi guys! i am mounting an nfs share via autofs (ldap) but it always belongs to root:root, and it's contents aren't there either, waht am i doing wrong? |
| 16:57.58 | karlpinc | wishes there were release notes for this sort of thing. I suppose I should read the changelogs. (!) |
| 16:58.32 | stew | aton`: yours fails because after you take away +x on /path you don't get to touch the subdirs to do the rest of the commands |
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| 16:58.41 | ragnar76 | hi all |
| 16:58.50 | kannan1222 | hey how do i give a user sudo su - command in sudoers |
| 16:59.00 | karlpinc | nsadmin: I like the xargs approach. Simpler. |
| 16:59.01 | aton` | hm the default installation installed gnome, i'd rather have kde |
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| 16:59.16 | remoteCTRL | themill: ikonia any of the chief-rockers in the house? |
| 16:59.31 | ragnar76 | a short (?) question... when i plug my usb stick in, gnome mounts it read only. how do i change this? |
| 16:59.49 | karlpinc | aton`: So install it, and then remove gnome. |
| 17:00.18 | karlpinc | aton`: (Or just keep them both, so you've got the apps for both no matter the desktop in use.) |
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| 17:01.09 | aton` | how do i install stuff? i have distant memories about apt-get when i used debian 8 years ago |
| 17:01.28 | karlpinc | aton`: Aptitude is now preferred. aptitude install foo |
| 17:01.32 | karlpinc | !tell aton` about search |
| 17:01.37 | aton` | thanks |
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| 17:02.24 | karlpinc | aton`: If you're that "new" to debian you might find http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware helpful. |
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| 17:06.53 | aton` | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPackageManagement <- this is good |
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| 17:10.49 | ragnar76 | a short (?) question... when i plug my usb stick in, it is mounted read only, so i cannot write files on it via gnome. how do i change this? |
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| 17:12.39 | nsadmin | first find out why it's happening |
| 17:12.45 | aton` | e something like meta packages? i.e. kde-meta which would install all i need for kde? |
| 17:13.09 | nsadmin | , info kde |
| 17:13.11 | judd | Package kde (kde, optional) in lenny/i386: the K Desktop Environment official modules. Version: 5:48; Size: 7.8k; Installed: 40k; Homepage: http://www.kde.org; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/kde |
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| 17:13.40 | aton` | so i guess thats a "no, there are no meta-packages" |
| 17:13.46 | nsadmin | oh, didn't catch "all I need", dunno. what do you need? |
| 17:14.22 | aton` | i dont know exactly, the package should know |
| 17:14.22 | nsadmin | no, that's a "yes, you could try kde" |
| 17:14.30 | aton` | heh ok i will try |
| 17:14.38 | nsadmin | oh, I see. the package should know what you need? |
| 17:14.59 | nsadmin | what is your purpose in installing it? |
| 17:15.28 | nsadmin | or should we ask the package :) |
| 17:15.41 | aton` | nsadmin: its called "dependencies" |
| 17:16.06 | nsadmin | ok, well, I dunno, kde should be ok |
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| 17:16.13 | EM03 | say i have a domain , can i set bind to point that domain to an internal ip on the machine? |
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| 17:16.33 | EM03 | you really can't do that can you? |
| 17:16.47 | EM03 | that would only work if the domain was completely internal on that network |
| 17:17.10 | nsadmin | I don't know what your purpose is, so the simplest thing I can say is "try kde"... but in the future, figure out what you actually want |
| 17:17.14 | themill | dpkg: tell aton` about install kde |
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| 17:17.43 | aton` | so "kde" is the meta-package |
| 17:17.49 | nsadmin | mee want make teevee look purty |
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| 17:18.02 | nsadmin | kde is -a- metapackage |
| 17:18.09 | km | anyone familar with log4j? |
| 17:18.47 | nsadmin | but having said all that, themill caused dpkg to send you a /msg with more info |
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| 17:20.15 | aton` | ok thanks |
| 17:20.36 | Siegfried | Hi, anyone knows what's the difference between /usr/bin/php5-cgi and /usr/lib/cgi-bin/php5 that debian creates? they have a different size |
| 17:20.46 | Siegfried | no symlink |
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| 17:21.03 | thewanderer1 | Siegfried: php5 might be php5-cli - check if you have that package installed |
| 17:21.11 | nsadmin | Siegfried do they differ? (try cmp) |
| 17:21.18 | Siegfried | yes they differ |
| 17:21.28 | Siegfried | thewanderer1, i think cli is php5 |
| 17:21.42 | nsadmin | I'd say they differ in their purpose as well |
| 17:22.28 | nsadmin | let's reverse this... what are you trying to do, and/or to learn? |
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| 17:22.36 | Siegfried | cli is /usr/bin/php5 |
| 17:22.52 | Siegfried | i'm trying to find out which one is correct to use as cgi :P |
| 17:22.52 | zinx | Siegfried: at i guess, i'd say the paths may be different |
| 17:22.55 | remoteCTRL | i am trying to mount an nfs share but somehow i have no idea what i am actually mounting; permissions dont fit, contetns are not there... |
| 17:23.01 | remoteCTRL | any ideas please? |
| 17:23.01 | Siegfried | one is in cgi-bin the other one is called php5-cgi... |
| 17:23.09 | EM03 | what is the life span of each debian release? |
| 17:23.09 | thewanderer1 | Siegfried: the correct one to use as CGI is the one from /usr/bin |
| 17:23.25 | Siegfried | any idea what the other one is? |
| 17:23.29 | nsadmin | the same as the half life of a blade of grass? |
| 17:23.34 | Siegfried | they have the same date |
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| 17:24.19 | thewanderer1 | Siegfried: perhaps php5-cgi really calls the binary from cgi-bin to do the actual interpreting? or otherwise, php5-cgi also contains fastcgi interface daemon, which the cgi-bin one might not |
| 17:24.19 | zinx | hmmmm they appear to be very different |
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| 17:24.37 | tborras | hola |
| 17:25.27 | Siegfried | tutorials differ about which one to use for fast-cgi... |
| 17:25.52 | Siegfried | even though you said the one from /usr/bin, i'd like to be sure :P |
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| 17:25.56 | zinx | <b>Security Alert!</b> The PHP CGI cannot be accessed directly. <p>This PHP CGI binary was compiled with force-cgi-redirect enabled. This means that a page will only be served up if the REDIRECT_STATUS CGI variable is set, e.g. via an Apache Action directive.</p> <p>For more information as to <i>why</i> this behaviour exists, see the <a href="http://php.net/security.cgi-bin">manual page for CGI security</a>.</p> <p>For more information about changing this be |
| 17:26.16 | zinx | Siegfried: ^^ in /usr/lib/cgi-bin/php5, not in /usr/bin/php5-cgi |
| 17:26.28 | EM03 | has debian been decreasing in popularity over the years? |
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| 17:27.40 | dutchfish | EM03: depends on what you believe, small lies, big lies or statistics ;) |
| 17:27.52 | Siegfried | thanks zinx! that might be the difference |
| 17:27.59 | Siegfried | but a huge difference.. |
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| 17:30.33 | Tordek | do the "booting" messages log somewhere? I mean the "starting MySQL", "Starting Apache", etc. ones |
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| 17:31.33 | surlyjake | where should bugs with the new debian-installer kfreebsd be reported? |
| 17:31.33 | nsadmin | I was thinking /var/log/messages, but I haven't actually seen those in it |
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| 17:35.30 | stew | surlyjake: there is an 'installation-report' package |
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| 17:35.41 | stew | Tordek: /msg dpkg bootlog |
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| 17:35.57 | Tordek | thanks |
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| 17:40.19 | mmjj | does anyone know of a terminal emulator similar to terminator with adjustable horizontal/vertical split screen support? |
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| 17:41.12 | Digdilem | the early 90's dos bbs terminal, terminator? |
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| 17:41.41 | fmms | hi, i am new to the debian world. is there somewhere a repository where your packages are built from, i.e. the source code of the upstream projects and patches is hosted? |
| 17:42.05 | mmjj | http://software.jessies.org/terminator/ |
| 17:42.18 | Digdilem | ah, no then |
| 17:42.31 | Digdilem | can't help, just struck by a bit of fido nostalgia :) |
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| 17:43.31 | fmms | cool http://git.debian.org/?p=calendarserver/calendarserver.git;a=summary is what i am looking for |
| 17:43.35 | thewanderer1 | mmjj: Konsole can do split view... |
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| 17:46.16 | mmjj | does it??? cheeres thewander1 i'll look into that :) |
| 17:46.39 | poelzi | announce: ulatencyd 0.4.0 is out https://github.com/poelzi/ulatencyd |
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| 17:50.09 | karlpinc | fmms: Upstream is everywhere. |
| 17:50.59 | karlpinc | fmms: You might find http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware useful as an overview. Or not. |
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| 18:20.45 | obeattie | Is it possible to pin packages to a specific repository if you have two distributions named the same thing? For example, we have the official squeeze repos from debian.org, but we also have an internal repository named squeeze (why, I'm not sureâ¦Â but we're stuck with it :-) â I want to pin a package to our internal repository to prevent it being pulled from the Debian one when a newer version is released (ours is a modified version of the Debian one |
| 18:20.45 | obeattie | its just a point-release up) |
| 18:20.55 | JordiGH | Architecture:any means the package only gets built once and use that unique build in all arches (e.g. the package is just docs), and Architecture:all means build the package for each architecture? |
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| 18:21.22 | obeattie | JordiGH: I believe the other way around |
| 18:21.35 | JordiGH | Okay, thanks. |
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| 18:23.44 | CaBa | hi |
| 18:24.09 | CaBa | i'm having some trouble with the installer (lenny). i'd like the partitioner to ignore LVM on *some* devices |
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| 18:24.26 | CaBa | i edited the lvm.conf on a console and then restartet the partitioner, i still see all the LVs on the ignored devices |
| 18:24.30 | CaBa | any hint? |
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| 18:27.25 | Kottizen | So, I just upgraded my system and /etc/sudoers was overwritten. I don't remember the root password, since I've always used "sudo -i" to claim root. What can I do? I have physical access and an iLO. |
| 18:27.40 | Kottizen | I'd prefer not to shutdown or reboot the machine, if possible. |
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| 18:27.54 | leoechevarria | hey guys |
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| 18:29.29 | rwat | Is there a caching proxy which can be configured to store its cache in a readable format? |
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| 18:29.38 | leoechevarria | i got a little problem i wanted to ask you about: i'm using debian testing on an acer 5738z laptop (intel chipsets) and i updated the system a few days ago after a couple of weeks without doing it. The thing is that the synaptics pad now only works on the gdm3 login screen, but once i log in it doesn't anymore...i can't figure out how to config it, any clue? |
| 18:30.06 | leoechevarria | with synaptics pad i mean the trackpad |
| 18:30.09 | dkr | Kottizen: boot and root is pretty much the only way unless you want to mess around with privilege escalation exploits |
| 18:30.26 | Kottizen | dkr: I'm open for exploiting - yes. |
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| 18:31.00 | dkr | Kottizen: that will be difficult with debian. good luck. :) |
| 18:31.09 | Kottizen | >.< |
| 18:31.18 | Kottizen | I guess I will have to lose my uptime then. |
| 18:31.25 | babilen | (the horror!) |
| 18:31.52 | akkark | boot from live-cd and edit shadows? |
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| 18:32.04 | Kottizen | Have to reboot then, or? |
| 18:32.26 | rwat | Kottizen: just reboot and get over :) |
| 18:32.33 | Kottizen | :( |
| 18:32.49 | Kottizen | I'll do it at the same time as I'm upgrading the switch then, thanks guys. |
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| 18:33.08 | rwat | Kottizen: don't you have the iLo console? |
| 18:33.31 | Kottizen | I do |
| 18:33.45 | rwat | are you logged in with it? |
| 18:33.54 | Kottizen | not yet, moment |
| 18:34.08 | rwat | IME it's always worth checking you didn't leave yourself logged in as root ;-) |
| 18:34.09 | Kottizen | Need to restart to Windows, Java refuses to work under Linux. :< |
| 18:34.16 | Kottizen | oh |
| 18:34.20 | Kottizen | +1 there |
| 18:34.21 | Kottizen | brb |
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| 18:37.51 | rwat | I want to surf on a mobile device presumably connected to some kind of proxy. After I've surfed I want to also have those files available on the proxy to look at. Is there a caching proxy that does this - squid doesn't seem to. |
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| 18:39.16 | rwat | wwwoffle looks hopeful but I can't see how to make it go and fetch the web pages while I'm actually browsing |
| 18:39.50 | _KaszpiR_ | frikinz thanks for the info, worked |
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| 18:41.34 | Kottizen | Is it possible to exploit an iLO? |
| 18:41.42 | Kottizen | I can access it, but I don't remember the username. |
| 18:41.46 | Kottizen | Never really used it... |
| 18:43.02 | OpenTokix | Kottizen: yoy can change password with the tools from openipmi |
| 18:43.14 | OpenTokix | Kottizen: if you have debian running on the machine and can ssh to it |
| 18:43.40 | Kottizen | oh |
| 18:43.56 | OpenTokix | Kottizen: ipmitool openipmi |
| 18:43.56 | Kottizen | Looks like it's not installed - does it work if I download and compile it? |
| 18:44.07 | OpenTokix | Kottizen: and then modprop ipmi_si ipmi_devintf |
| 18:44.14 | OpenTokix | modprobe |
| 18:44.26 | Kottizen | Doesn't that require root access? |
| 18:44.32 | OpenTokix | Kottizen: yes |
| 18:44.42 | Kottizen | ah |
| 18:44.47 | Kottizen | that's what I'm trying to get |
| 18:44.54 | OpenTokix | I only use root access =) |
| 18:45.09 | OpenTokix | Kottizen: ok, do you have physical access to the machine? Or is this someone elses machine? |
| 18:45.10 | Kottizen | I don't use it when I don't need it. |
| 18:45.14 | Kottizen | It's mine. |
| 18:45.15 | Kottizen | and yes |
| 18:45.17 | Kottizen | But I |
| 18:45.21 | Kottizen | prefer not to reboot it |
| 18:45.25 | wildc4rd | evenin' |
| 18:45.28 | Kottizen | helu |
| 18:45.41 | babilen | Kottizen: Why do you prefer not to reboot? |
| 18:45.55 | Kottizen | I'd loose my uptime then. |
| 18:45.58 | OpenTokix | Kottizen: I dont know any other way then to reboot it. |
| 18:46.04 | OpenTokix | Kottizen: uptime is for nubs |
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| 18:46.42 | babilen | Kottizen: Just reboot and stop wasting your and our time. uptime is meaningless. |
| 18:46.48 | leoechevarria | shouldn't uptime be a consequence, not a quest? |
| 18:47.14 | Kottizen | I'm in a uptime contest |
| 18:47.28 | abrotman | you've already lost |
| 18:47.33 | Kottizen | nope |
| 18:47.37 | Kottizen | the server is still up |
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| 18:47.42 | Kottizen | and I don't really need root, right now |
| 18:47.56 | abrotman | anyone involved in an uptime contest is, by definition, a loser |
| 18:48.27 | akkark | anyone involved in any contest my Dzen says |
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| 18:50.12 | petemc | yer wha? |
| 18:50.57 | akkark | well |
| 18:51.03 | akkark | a Conception |
| 18:51.31 | rwat | Kottizen: iLO just gives you a console where you can login as root or another user if you have a password |
| 18:52.09 | rwat | there's nothing magic about it unless you already logged in and left yourself there as root (bad idea, but it happens) |
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| 18:52.54 | rwat | Kottizen: how many days you been up? |
| 18:52.59 | Kottizen | oh ok |
| 18:52.59 | Kottizen | eh |
| 18:53.08 | Kottizen | kottizen@KottNet:~$ uptime 19:53:03 up 272 days, 11:13, 2 users, load average: 0.46, 0.38, 0.53 |
| 18:53.15 | Kottizen | Since I installed it. |
| 18:53.53 | rwat | 272 isn't very much - just reboot |
| 18:53.58 | themill | !pal Kottizen |
| 18:53.58 | dpkg | points at Kottizen and laughs hysterically |
| 18:54.05 | Kottizen | rwat: what do you have? |
| 18:54.24 | abrotman | seriously .. stop the dick waving contest .. it's DUMB |
| 18:54.29 | rwat | hehe |
| 18:54.36 | abrotman | completely and utterly stupid |
| 18:54.47 | NiLon | uuh uptime |
| 18:55.00 | petemc | 18:54:21 up â days, 10:45, 6 users, load average: 0.14, 0.16, 0.14 |
| 18:55.07 | Kottizen | :< |
| 18:55.12 | NiLon | omg |
| 18:56.11 | rwat | Kottizen: it's just pointless. We run loads of servers, some of them have been up for years. |
| 18:56.27 | Kottizen | you're a company, I do this because it's fun |
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| 18:56.38 | rwat | yeah, you'll grow out of it |
| 18:56.39 | Kottizen | but sure, I'll try fixing this iLO and then rebooting it |
| 18:56.48 | Kottizen | what do you work with? |
| 18:56.59 | jhutchins_lt | High uptimes mean lazy admins don't patch their kernels. |
| 18:57.20 | Kottizen | I do |
| 18:57.26 | abrotman | move along |
| 18:57.28 | NiLon | that's why I have 3 hours uptime MAX |
| 18:57.32 | abrotman | either fix the problem, or quit whining |
| 18:57.34 | Kottizen | I've always stayed up to date, but eh, as I run an ircd it's pretty hard to reboot |
| 18:57.53 | akkark | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/uptime-81710/ |
| 18:58.36 | rwat | wonders why people run their own ircd these days |
| 18:58.39 | Bushmills | consider that nobody else will see your uptime, so it's not a big loss to start from zero |
| 18:58.55 | Kottizen | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.55 | Kottizen | My machine runs the Earth.. if I reboot, you won't want to know the outcome... |
| 18:58.57 | Kottizen | heh |
| 18:59.00 | Bushmills | of course unless you try to boast with it, then people will laugh at you |
| 18:59.14 | Kottizen | Bushmills: they can do /stats u on the irc network |
| 18:59.38 | Bushmills | what has that to do with server uptime? |
| 18:59.48 | Kottizen | it's almost the same |
| 19:00.15 | Bushmills | heard of bouncers? irc proxies? client machines powered down? |
| 19:00.36 | rwat | time to kill the uptime on this laptop |
| 19:00.39 | Kottizen | what does that have to do with the problem? o/ |
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| 19:01.12 | Bushmills | that if nobody looks at your stats, you won't lose anything and are free to reboot |
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| 19:02.21 | aton` | after the install, grub doesnt show any possibility to select another operating system to boot and there is no /boot/grub/grub.conf... |
| 19:02.37 | Bushmills | aton`: run update-grub |
| 19:02.48 | akkark | aton`: have you run an 'update-grub'? |
| 19:02.55 | aton` | akkark: no i havent, but now |
| 19:03.00 | aton` | but where is the config file'? |
| 19:03.03 | Bushmills | also have os-proper instgalled |
| 19:03.14 | jelly-hme | os-improper |
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| 19:03.22 | Bushmills | ehm ... grin |
| 19:03.26 | Bushmills | prober ... |
| 19:03.40 | jelly-hme | prober? I hardly know her! |
| 19:04.03 | jhutchins_lt | aton`: Are you perhaps running squeeze? |
| 19:04.10 | aton` | no |
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| 19:05.52 | jhutchins_lt | aton`: Hint: Part of your answer is on the first page of man grub. |
| 19:08.07 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: I think os-prober is part of grub2 on squeeze. |
| 19:08.24 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: I think it's not relelvant to lanny. |
| 19:08.32 | aton` | i installed os-prober now |
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| 19:08.37 | aton` | i did update-grub |
| 19:08.40 | aton` | but i dont get a menu |
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| 19:08.43 | aton` | it just boots linux |
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| 19:08.51 | doublehp | which CLI browser can run JS ? |
| 19:09.08 | Bushmills | grub-common Recommends os-prober |
| 19:09.49 | Bushmills | but may be relevant for grub2 only. not sure |
| 19:10.26 | Bushmills | elinks, afaik. but it has some problems with forms |
| 19:10.35 | aton` | aha menu.lst is used instead of grub.conf |
| 19:10.37 | aton` | interesting |
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| 19:10.51 | aton` | but of course thats not on the first page of the manual |
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| 19:12.39 | jhutchins_lt | aton`: Well, I suppose it depends on your screen config, it's on the first page for me. |
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| 19:13.02 | akkark | you perhaps need to set a menu timeout |
| 19:13.21 | aton` | yeah, the timeout was too short |
| 19:13.24 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: os-prober does exist in lenny. (Irrelevant here, single OS). |
| 19:13.27 | doublehp | Bushmills: links used to work, but stopped since website update |
| 19:13.30 | aton` | 5 seconds couldnt give my screen a chance to switch to it |
| 19:13.51 | superlinux | hi. I upgraded to squeeze |
| 19:14.02 | akkark | grats |
| 19:14.07 | jhutchins_lt | Isn't there a way to run grub and get it to display the menu? I would hope that feature is at least in grub2, where it can be very confusing what the actual configuration is. |
| 19:14.11 | superlinux | i lost the usplash. so I want it back |
| 19:14.55 | superlinux | also the kernel parameter "vga=ask" does not work as grub says. so what I should do? |
| 19:15.00 | Bushmills | doublehp: http://elinks.or.cz/documentation/manual.html - it mentions spidermonkey as javascript engine for elinks |
| 19:15.06 | superlinux | akkark, thanks for grats me |
| 19:15.22 | superlinux | brb.. toilet calls |
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| 19:16.18 | damasceno | Someone here knows how can i make a RAID 0+1? |
| 19:16.30 | jhutchins_lt | superlinux: tmi |
| 19:16.38 | daemonkeeper | damasceno: man mdadm |
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| 19:17.43 | superlinux | ok.. I am back |
| 19:17.55 | miasma | hmm, what would be a good starting point for finding out why my usb mass storage is so slow on this debian machine. it has g41/ich7 chipset with usb 2.0. i first got "usb 5-2: not running at top speed; connect to a high speed hub", but after reloading ehci and uhci modules manually in correct order, the speed is still very slow |
| 19:18.04 | superlinux | so.. what should I do? |
| 19:18.15 | doublehp | Bushmills: spidermonkey-bin ? |
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| 19:19.05 | akkark | superlinux: is there 'splash' option in your grub config? |
| 19:19.21 | Bushmills | should do. it depends on libmozjs2d which i would have added otherwise, for good measure. |
| 19:20.02 | doublehp | Bushmills: ever used it ? |
| 19:20.23 | superlinux | akkark, it's more than that.. I just cannot do vga=ask to select the suitable modes. |
| 19:20.27 | Bushmills | tried to run it with some very peculiar ECMA form handling, but didn't work with it |
| 19:21.16 | Bushmills | though that test was years back, i could actually retest again, one day or another |
| 19:21.50 | doublehp | Bushmills: what's the basic syntax ? |
| 19:22.23 | Bushmills | of javascript? i should have a cheat sheet around somewhere, lemme look ... |
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| 19:24.19 | Bushmills | well, here is some more than only basic syntax: http://forthfreak.net/jsforth.js, can't find the cheat sheet right now. |
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| 19:29.30 | magnus_ | in a VPN network, when i assign adresses to the tun adapters, why do I need to assign a peer adress? why do my machine need to know what IP the link has on the other end of the Point to point network? |
| 19:29.49 | Bushmills | magnus_: openvpn? no need. check out --topology |
| 19:30.17 | magnus_ | im using openssh to create my tun adapters (ssh -w) |
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| 19:30.42 | Bushmills | the p-t-p is one ends idea of "remote" |
| 19:30.46 | Bushmills | p-t-p address |
| 19:31.18 | magnus_ | oh, so if i want to connect to the other end, i connect to the peer addr? not the ip of my tun adapter |
| 19:31.31 | Bushmills | some tun drivers require local and remote to reside in the same /30 net |
| 19:32.08 | Bushmills | that disable the possibility to refer to remote under its own vpn subnet address, if there's a few clients |
| 19:32.47 | Bushmills | with linux tun driver, this restriction doesn't apply |
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| 19:33.53 | magnus_ | if A and B is connected using p-t-p, and A only wants to use B to reach internet (ie B is a router), do B need to assign a peer addr to the tun adapter on its end? no one should be able to conenct back to A from B |
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| 19:34.49 | Bushmills | B is not required to, with linux. B can refer to A under its actual address, instead of its p-t-p address |
| 19:35.15 | magnus_ | hm, "actual address"? |
| 19:35.35 | Bushmills | the remote machine's vpn subnet address |
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| 19:36.35 | Bushmills | be aware though that i talk from openvpn tun experience, not from ssh tun |
| 19:36.36 | magnus_ | so if A is 10.0.0.100 and B is 10.0.0.200, and A has set peer addr=10.0.0.200, B can still reply to A, even if it has no peer addr=10.0.0.100 set? |
| 19:37.00 | magnus_ | but no new connections can be initiated from B to A? |
| 19:37.26 | Bushmills | if A is 10.0.0.100, its p-t-p address is probably 10.0.0.101 or 10.0.0.99 |
| 19:38.16 | Bushmills | same for B, its p-t-p address is 10.0.0.201 or 199, meaning "that's remote, no matter what its von subnet address really is" |
| 19:38.20 | magnus_ | its actually .200, i assigned it manually =) |
| 19:38.47 | magnus_ | A is 10.0.0.100 with peer 10.0.0.200. B is 10.0.0.200 with no peer |
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| 19:39.14 | Bushmills | tun gives you a tunnel. the tunnel has two ends. one is your local tun address, the other is the p-t-p address |
| 19:39.49 | Bushmills | with the p-t-p address, the local machine can refer to "other end of the tunnel" without actually knowing the ip address there |
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| 19:40.09 | magnus_ | ok |
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| 19:41.00 | Bushmills | be aware though that there are no remote services bound to the p-t-p address |
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| 19:41.24 | Bushmills | that's merely a routing aid for the tunnel |
| 19:41.26 | magnus_ | how do you mean? |
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| 19:42.07 | Bushmills | if you, for example, ping the p-t-p address, there won't be any icmp replies. |
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| 19:42.22 | magnus_ | weird, i just did and it replied :) |
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| 19:42.41 | magnus_ | i can even see the icmp coming in on B using wireshark on tun0 |
| 19:43.01 | Bushmills | that's possibly because your p-t-p address is identical to the remote's vpn subnet address |
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| 19:43.47 | magnus_ | ok |
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| 19:45.21 | inet | hello. I need a script with root privileges to be running after a user logs in without granting those specific privileges to the user himself. how would I go about doing that? |
| 19:46.07 | Bushmills | inet: check whether it is enough to run the program you call from script as root, instead of the script itself |
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| 19:47.10 | Bushmills | if not, consider to set up a password free sudo invocation for exactly that script |
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| 19:49.57 | Bushmills | you could possibly call a script from pam upon login, but i'd have to search information about details myself |
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| 19:50.17 | inet | Bushmills, ok, thanks for the ideas |
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| 19:55.53 | sidro | hi |
| 19:56.10 | sidro | is ok if I remove /var/log ? |
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| 19:56.52 | inet | just move it and see for yourself but it should be safe |
| 19:56.58 | stew | no |
| 19:57.06 | inet | why not? |
| 19:57.07 | Bushmills | sidro: no. at least the directory must be there |
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| 19:57.13 | stew | sidro: a lot of things might be configured to write there (and subdirectories of /var/log) and will refuse to start if its not there |
| 19:57.22 | sidro | ok |
| 19:57.24 | stew | sidro: why do you want to? |
| 19:57.24 | inet | oh |
| 19:57.33 | sidro | but if I remove content of log ? |
| 19:57.48 | sidro | files form log |
| 19:58.01 | Bushmills | removing files should do |
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| 20:00.16 | stew | i still see the possibility that a process fails to start when it can't write to its logfile, but that's probably much more rare in this case (because they are hopefully writing to a directory they own) |
| 20:00.48 | sidro | ok |
| 20:00.53 | Bushmills | rotating logs does something similar, but reloads or restarts those lesser robust services |
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| 20:01.21 | stew | yeah, and logrotate will create the file with the correct permsisions/ownership as needed |
| 20:01.33 | Bushmills | true |
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| 20:19.54 | RichiH | shouldn't rtl-8169 work without firmware on sid? |
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| 20:24.32 | abrotman | think it depends on the exact model |
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| 20:31.04 | GNU\colossus | hey there - it's my first time on a PowerPC machine; a PowerMac G5, to be more specific |
| 20:31.07 | Bop | anyone uses fail2ban ? im having trouble removing 1 ip from 1 jail |
| 20:31.11 | GNU\colossus | which debian installation medium shall I be getting? |
| 20:31.24 | GNU\colossus | is "powerpc" the right arch? (I'd like 64bit kernel and userland, if possible) |
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| 20:32.05 | daemonkeeper | GNU\colossus: Which CPU do those Power Macs have? |
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| 20:32.17 | daemonkeeper | Intel? |
| 20:32.27 | GNU\colossus | nope. PowerPC. |
| 20:32.53 | daemonkeeper | Yeah, powerpc is appropriate then |
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| 20:35.14 | GNU\colossus | daemonkeeper, thanks |
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| 20:39.14 | Juozapas | hi is it possible to install some working boot manager for powerbook 1400 ? |
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| 20:46.46 | abrotman | Juozapas: plymouth perhaps?> |
| 20:47.25 | Juozapas | i heard something about miboot |
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| 20:50.28 | fbs | any ruby users here? |
| 20:50.35 | sterna | hi, nginx suddenly won't go into background anymore |
| 20:50.47 | sterna | it just sits in the foreground and /etc/init.d/nginx start just sits there |
| 20:51.03 | sterna | the server runs until i ctrl-c, but never backgrounds |
| 20:51.14 | sterna | if i strace it, it just epoll_waits |
| 20:52.49 | lord_rob | I'm using sid on this pc and I don't want to keep updating it a lot. Can I replace sid by squeeze now ?, Is it the right moment ? |
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| 20:53.19 | lord_rob | (sid by squeeze in source.list i meant) |
| 20:53.56 | daemonkeeper | Sid by Squeeze? |
| 20:54.08 | daemonkeeper | Sure you mean _that_ not Lenny by Squeeze? |
| 20:54.18 | themill | lord_rob: you could do so, yes. But squeeze and sid are already divergent |
| 20:54.28 | lord_rob | no |
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| 20:55.26 | lord_rob | themill: at the moment no that's why it would be a good "freeze point" as I wouldn't like to keep updating my pc forever |
| 20:55.50 | daemonkeeper | You are a bit late for that. |
| 20:56.11 | daemonkeeper | Sid is already significantly newer than Squeeze. |
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| 20:57.27 | lord_rob | I see |
| 20:57.31 | raidghost | Hi! How to balance 2 Internett connections from 2 different isp. So line 1 gives max download. And then connection 2 takes over. To use both lines at the same time? |
| 20:57.42 | themill | lord_rob: you could try changing over your sources.list and then "/msg dpkg not available" to get a list of packages that don't come from anywhere in your sources.list -- that will be a measure of the divergence and an idea about how much work you need to do... |
| 20:58.42 | lord_rob | hmmm |
| 20:58.43 | sleazye | raidghost: http://wiki.debian.org/Bonding |
| 20:58.49 | lord_rob | well |
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| 20:59.22 | lord_rob | I prefer keeping sid at this point then |
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| 21:02.16 | raidghost | sleazye: Thanks for the great help ;-) |
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| 21:03.57 | smacnay | I figured out how Nautius eats memory - thumbnailing all the photos and such that it finds. |
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| 21:13.12 | jelly-hme | smacnay: no, that's not what bonding is about |
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| 21:13.35 | jelly-hme | raidghost: read about multihoming on lartc.org |
| 21:14.38 | jelly-hme | raidghost: first result http://www.google.com/search?q=lartc+load+balancing |
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| 21:18.07 | sleazye | jelly-hme: the bonding driver has 6 different modes, many that seem to meet raidghost's needs |
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| 21:20.34 | jelly-hme | sleazye: none do, it's a link-level functionality and he needs routing. |
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| 21:25.29 | pingouin | hello #debian |
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| 21:26.47 | pingouin | i've install xz-utils from backport, on lenny. Using directly xz is the same as tar --lzma -cvf foo.tar.lzma /etc/foo /home/foo ? |
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| 21:28.36 | ElDiabolo | Hi. On my server I have found a supicious entry in Debian-exims crontab: * * * * * sh /tmp/botkiller |
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| 21:29.05 | ElDiabolo | Does this mean I have unwanted visitors? |
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| 21:29.46 | jelly-hme | ElDiabolo: exim had a remote exploit a few weeks back |
| 21:29.48 | mmu_man | plop |
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| 21:31.40 | jhutchins_lt | ElDiabolo: Where is the crontab? |
| 21:31.42 | mmu_man | geee, tried to mke2fs -t ext4 a new disk yesterday, on my K6-2 under lenny... |
| 21:32.12 | mmu_man | which finally worked, but then it wouldn't let me mount it as it runs a 2.6.26 which doesn't have official ext4 |
| 21:32.17 | mmu_man | even ext4dev didn't like it |
| 21:32.36 | ElDiabolo | jhutchins_lt, No idea. Did a crontab -l -u Debian-exim |
| 21:32.39 | mmu_man | pondering installing squeeze |
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| 21:33.33 | jhutchins_lt | ElDiabolo: No Debian-exim crontab on my lenny server. |
| 21:33.36 | miasma | mmu_man: i'd seriously consider more recent ext4 drivers. file system corruption isn't that nice |
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| 21:34.07 | mmu_man | miasma: thus going squeeze |
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| 21:34.31 | ElDiabolo | jhutchins_lt, ??? |
| 21:34.42 | ElDiabolo | Ah, thx. |
| 21:34.43 | mmu_man | it's my own box @home for 24/7 use but still I'm only used to stable, so... |
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| 21:37.14 | mmu_man | oh well, let's try the sqeeze netinst |
| 21:37.24 | sphenxes01 | sometimes i would like to take a look at film, while my other film is open in totem. My problem everytime i click on a second film to watch replaces the first one in totem. Is there a way to open every movie in a new totem or vlc screen? |
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| 21:39.45 | cahoot | use commandline? |
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| 21:40.47 | jelly-hme | sphenxes01: right click, open with vlc? |
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| 21:48.03 | jhutchins_lt | mmu_man: Did you consider trying the .32 kernel from lenny backports? |
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| 21:48.41 | mmu_man | jhutchins_lt: never tried backports |
| 21:48.56 | jhutchins_lt | !ext4 |
| 21:48.56 | dpkg | [ext4] The fourth extended file system. Supports volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents. Merged in the mainline Linux kernel, available since version 2.6.28. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. ext4 is not supported by GRUB Legacy (Debian bug #511121) and not the default in Squeeze (Debian bug #603084). http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/ #ext4 on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 21:49.29 | mmu_man | is it working enough for a kernel ? |
| 21:49.33 | jhutchins_lt | mmu_man: Probably a good idea to do some reading rather than just plugging away at it. |
| 21:50.12 | mmu_man | well I never did much wiht this box yet appart migrating my emails from BeOS to OSX with dovecot |
| 21:50.53 | mmu_man | the ext4 is just for the 1TB disk I bought for videos, so extents would be useful there |
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| 21:50.57 | mmu_man | but well |
| 21:50.59 | Makuew | l |
| 21:51.02 | mmu_man | hmmm |
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| 21:51.17 | mmu_man | OTH I could format as ext3 as it's supposed to be forward compatible |
| 21:51.43 | mmu_man | and enable extents later on |
| 21:52.05 | mmu_man | I wanted to play with xattrs too but it's not better in ext4 anyway, still 1block /inode |
| 21:52.08 | mmu_man | bleh |
| 21:52.17 | ElDiabolo | jhutchins_lt, There is however no /tmp/botkiller shell script. Any hint on what to do in such a situation? |
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| 21:53.38 | mmu_man | I suppose copying files around after enabling extents should reallocate them correctly later on... |
| 21:54.07 | mmu_man | damn why did they wait 15y to add those anyway ? "BeOS did this 15y ago" :))) |
| 21:54.11 | jhutchins_lt | ElDiabolo: I'd look for more information about the exploit that jelly-hme mentioned, possible run chkrootkit / rkhunter |
| 21:54.39 | jhutchins_lt | mmu_man: Everything has it's price. |
| 21:54.47 | mmu_man | yep |
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| 21:55.27 | mmu_man | still, BFS uses the small_data section in the inode for xattrs but can allocate a full B+free when it overflows |
| 21:55.36 | mmu_man | and it works |
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| 21:59.03 | jhutchins_lt | I'm afraid my eyes glaze over when people start arguing the obscure feature details of arcane filesystems. |
| 21:59.09 | mmu_man | ok let's do ext3 for now, don't have time for an installparty today anyway |
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| 21:59.51 | mmu_man | jhutchins_lt: sorry btu it's not a "detail" for people having used BeOS for 10y that makes extensive and intelligent use of xattrs :p |
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| 22:00.25 | mmu_man | even submitted at EuroSys for a poster on that but I ended up doing one on Haiku itself |
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| 22:06.04 | mmu_man | jhutchins_lt: the main pb with xattrs is noone does them like others, BFS has them typed and indexable with no size limit, most *nix have them as plain binary with <4k max total /inode, OSX had resource forks and now BSD's ones, NTFS has named streams + some xattrs... |
| 22:06.14 | mmu_man | and noone agree on the mangling scheme |
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| 22:07.09 | mmu_man | moving a file through samba then back through ntfs-3g transforms multiple named streams into a single blob, so it's not idempotent |
| 22:07.20 | mmu_man | ie. it sux |
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| 22:09.00 | rednammoc | hi guys. i modified a file by accident. at the beginning it was something like 2 MB and now its just 2 KB. Is there any chance in getting that data back ? |
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| 22:10.09 | daemonkeeper | I don't say "no chance", but actually it is really complicated to recover data, especially if you are using that filesystem right now |
| 22:10.32 | Bushmills | depends on file system. with nilfs, chances are great |
| 22:10.38 | rednammoc | ext4 |
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| 22:11.10 | rednammoc | is there a way to look behind the actual file ? |
| 22:11.30 | Bushmills | like, on platter surface? |
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| 22:12.08 | rednammoc | but wait. the content was zipped, so the chances to recreate the data are ... |
| 22:12.38 | rednammoc | oh man. that was really important data -.- |
| 22:12.42 | Bushmills | you might want to power down, reboot from another partition and install+read about e2undel |
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| 22:13.02 | Bushmills | the longer you wait with powering down, the slimmer your chances |
| 22:13.06 | daemonkeeper | Yup. |
| 22:13.51 | rednammoc | it's not my home/root-partition |
| 22:14.13 | jelly-hme | and by "power down" Bushmills means "hit that power button RIGHT NOW", not "shut down cleanly" |
| 22:14.19 | Bushmills | right |
| 22:14.24 | rednammoc | :) |
| 22:14.38 | rednammoc | ok. thx. i give it a shot |
| 22:14.38 | rednammoc | bye |
| 22:14.48 | daemonkeeper | Don't hope too much ... |
| 22:14.52 | daemonkeeper | Well, too late. |
| 22:15.19 | jelly-hme | well perhaps they'll come back form a livecd |
| 22:15.22 | jelly-hme | from |
| 22:15.59 | Bushmills | number 10 this week who lost "really important data" without having a backup of those |
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| 22:16.28 | daemonkeeper | Don't think so. e2undel at least can't do anything/much with ext3 or even ext4 |
| 22:16.40 | Gryllida | How do I get userdir module for apache from apt? |
| 22:16.49 | daemonkeeper | Other tools are rare and probably he does not want to buy $company to recover data |
| 22:17.01 | Bushmills | not sure about ext4, but with ext3 it would do, provided the journal was transferred |
| 22:17.25 | daemonkeeper | Gryllida: As far as I know out of mind, userdir comes already with the apache2 base package |
| 22:17.59 | daemonkeeper | Bushmills: Have you tried that with ext3? |
| 22:18.12 | daemonkeeper | I'm rather sure it does not work for journaled filesytems |
| 22:18.18 | Bushmills | played with it, without real any need |
| 22:18.24 | Gryllida | daemonkeeper, I do have /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_userdir.so indeed, but it doesn't seem to have been loaded, because http://www.mydomain.tld/~username/ says not found. |
| 22:18.33 | daemonkeeper | Gryllida: a2enmod |
| 22:18.37 | Gryllida | ?? |
| 22:18.42 | daemonkeeper | That's a command. |
| 22:18.46 | Bushmills | but ext3 is essentially just ext2 with the journal tagged on |
| 22:18.47 | daemonkeeper | Use it to load the userdir module |
| 22:18.55 | daemonkeeper | Bushmills: http://e2undel.sourceforge.net/usage.html Read about ext3 |
| 22:18.56 | Bushmills | journal is transient only |
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| 22:19.10 | Gryllida | daemonkeeper, -bash: a2enmod: command not found |
| 22:19.10 | daemonkeeper | The " Why this does not work with ext3 " part ;) |
| 22:19.44 | daemonkeeper | Are you root? |
| 22:20.22 | Bushmills | yes, i see. well, my e2undel came from not knowing any better solution, and the fact that time seemed to be pressing (powering off) |
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| 22:21.21 | Bushmills | midnight commander had its "undelete file" removed about 10 years ago ... |
| 22:21.26 | daemonkeeper | Bushmills: I'm rather sure you _can_ recover data from ext3+, but as far as I know there is no open/easy to use solution, besides low level forensic methods used by companies. |
| 22:21.38 | daemonkeeper | For $$$ |
| 22:22.12 | Bushmills | i keep backups of relevant stuff, on two different kinds of storage. |
| 22:22.32 | daemonkeeper | That's the reliablest way to do ;) |
| 22:22.56 | Bushmills | had saved me several times already |
| 22:22.57 | Gryllida | daemonkeeper, awesome, can you say what 'a2enmod' stands for? |
| 22:23.11 | daemonkeeper | Gryllida: a[pache]2en[able]mod[ule] |
| 22:23.12 | themill | Gryllida: apache2 enable module |
| 22:23.34 | daemonkeeper | A Debian script to load/unload Apache modules. |
| 22:24.18 | daemonkeeper | Basically it shifts only symlinks in /etc/apache2/mods-{available, enabled} |
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| 22:28.00 | Bop | ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host any help loggin into server ? |
| 22:28.27 | themill | Bop: check /etc/hosts.deny on the server |
| 22:28.37 | Bushmills | bop, ssh -vvv ... |
| 22:28.49 | Bop | themill, i would if i could access |
| 22:29.08 | Bop | Bushmills, ok |
| 22:29.30 | themill | Bop: well there's nothing you can do until you can access it, is there? Do you have denyhosts installed on it? Do you have another machine you can hop between? |
| 22:29.46 | daemonkeeper | Other possibilities include a resource problem on the remote host (e.g. no disk space left, problems accessing files, out of memory, ...) |
| 22:30.04 | Bop | themill, yeah i've installed denyhosts |
| 22:30.30 | Bop | daemonkeeper, http://pastebin.com/NVv3Q34U |
| 22:30.30 | themill | Bop: and had a few failed logins from that machine just recently, it seems |
| 22:30.32 | Bushmills | then you could be fine again in ... 5 days :) |
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| 22:30.43 | Bop | themill, not really |
| 22:30.53 | Bop | i can change my ip |
| 22:31.02 | Bop | but i've asked someone to try and he couldnt do it |
| 22:31.17 | Bop | drops without asking for passwd |
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| 22:39.59 | thargor | which is the correct place for udev.rules? /lib/udev/rules.d or /etc/udev/rules.d? |
| 22:40.12 | StyXman | thargor: etc |
| 22:40.50 | thargor | for packages too? because most of the rules are in /lib/udev/rules.d on my system ... |
| 22:41.10 | StyXman | thargor: packages? are you packing something? |
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| 22:42.44 | jelly-hme | heat |
| 22:43.12 | Gryllida | stick off |
| 22:44.00 | thargor | StyXman: no but i'm reporting a bug for madfuload which places its udev.rule in /etc/udev/rules.d |
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| 22:44.47 | StyXman | thargor: yes, packages seem to put them in /lib/ |
| 22:44.51 | Stereo | hi everyone |
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| 22:45.22 | Stereo | I'm wondering about the grub->grub2 transition for when I upgrade to squeeze, should it just happen automatically? |
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| 22:45.32 | thargor | StyXman: the current order number (42) for the script is too low, so env{devname} is not always set, moving the script to 72 fixes the problem |
| 22:45.58 | StyXman | thargor: I wouldn't know :| |
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| 22:58.32 | Wulf | Hi |
| 22:58.55 | Wulf | to which packet does /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf belong? |
| 22:59.20 | Bushmills | dpkg -S /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf |
| 22:59.20 | dpkg | You Fool! /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf is installed! |
| 22:59.22 | daemonkeeper | dpkg -S / apt-file |
| 22:59.44 | Wulf | dpkg: /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf not found. |
| 22:59.44 | dpkg | Wulf: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 23:00.00 | Wulf | very funny... |
| 23:00.44 | Bushmills | though it may be a file, generated during installation, in which case dpkg -S won't help# |
| 23:01.10 | Bushmills | oh. you found out already |
| 23:01.15 | Wulf | no, I did not |
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| 23:01.25 | youra | how can I see how long a cd burn thru dd will take? |
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| 23:01.51 | Bushmills | youra: by recording start time, and subtracting that from time when cd has been written |
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| 23:03.15 | Wulf | seems to be created by netbase. |
| 23:03.31 | Wulf | Why does it not show up in the list of installed files or config files? |
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| 23:08.09 | Bushmills | because that list looks into what files are in a package, not which ones are generated during installation |
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| 23:08.37 | dos000 | how do you get a start script to launch in the background and start another tail right after that ? ./start.sh & ; tail -100f nohup.out |
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| 23:09.18 | dos000 | the above is for bash |
| 23:09.53 | zero1234 | hi! does anyobe know how to block an ip address from trying to login through ssh if it fails to connect after a few attempts? |
| 23:10.07 | zero1234 | anyone* |
| 23:10.17 | Wulf | okay, looks like there was a lengthy discussion about it in the bts |
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| 23:13.29 | dutchfish | zero1234: fail2ban, maybe? |
| 23:14.02 | Bushmills | alternatively denyhosts |
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| 23:14.25 | zero1234 | dutchfish: thanks ill look it up |
| 23:14.39 | Bushmills | fail2ban works through iptables, denyhosts through hosts.deny |
| 23:15.39 | zero1234 | Bushmills: do you think it can get my ip address blocked if the attacker uses some sort of spoofing? |
| 23:16.12 | Bushmills | not if you whitelist your ip address |
| 23:16.35 | dutchfish | zero1234: fail2ban temporarely blocks only if configured right |
| 23:17.05 | zero1234 | dutchfish: great, thanks! |
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| 23:17.12 | Bushmills | there are ways to prevent that to ever happen |
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| 23:17.14 | dutchfish | zero1234: enough to wistand a dictirun |
| 23:18.04 | Bushmills | for example, give yourself a way to login through tun interface, and REJECT any packet with source address of tun network from public interface |
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| 23:19.07 | dutchfish | zero1234: a better way is to setup ssh with key |
| 23:19.50 | Bushmills | advisable anyway, but still one probably want to stop those hours-long retries spamming the auth log |
| 23:19.55 | Mac101 | hi i just did an upgrade today and in grub menu.lst it added in new boot info at the bottem, is the menu.lst file read top to bottem or vice versa? |
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| 23:20.21 | Mac101 | cause the old info is still there was wondering which is being used? |
| 23:20.44 | zero1234 | Bushmills: hmmm, interesting i never thought of that way |
| 23:22.06 | Bushmills | easy to do when you're rejecting rfc1918 address on public interface anyway, and use one from that range for your tun network |
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| 23:23.26 | Bushmills | two flies with one swat, one could say |
| 23:23.53 | dutchfish | Bushmills: till your provider implements a double natted bridge as a firewall. |
| 23:24.24 | Bushmills | time to change provider |
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| 23:25.18 | zero1234 | thank you guys, ill think about the options i have this afternoon and try to set it up later |
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| 23:28.42 | ElDiabolo | jhutchins_lt, The /tmp/botkiller cronjob actually tried to kill. Could read the output in the cron mails. The script is gone, box was rebooted. |
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| 23:29.50 | Bushmills | the exim exploit was possibly the worst thing since the ssl key fuckup |
| 23:30.11 | mmu_man | oh dear, wasted time moving this PCI SATA card to the K6-2 to end up not booting cause the 300W PSU doesn't like having 3 hdds |
| 23:30.16 | mmu_man | GRMBL |
| 23:30.39 | ElDiabolo | jhutchins_lt, No other traces so far. |
| 23:31.02 | Bushmills | compromised machine -> reinstall |
| 23:31.24 | ElDiabolo | Bushmills, not today. |
| 23:31.51 | Bushmills | quickest way to keep you from wondering whether you really checked everything |
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| 23:33.15 | Bushmills | it's not just that the machine must be decontaminated - it is also that you must have the confidence that it has been |
| 23:34.34 | ElDiabolo | Bushmills, thx, I'll add this to my rules for living without fear. |
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| 23:36.58 | ElDiabolo | Bushmills, for today I have notified my ISP (I know him personnaly) who will shut the box down if it shows suspicious activity and moved the traffic warning email to a mailer outside the box. |
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| 23:39.00 | Bushmills | considers to move "public" services, like smtp, http etc, into seperate VMs |
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| 23:39.51 | Bushmills | with a copy of a freshly configured image ready to boot |
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| 23:42.43 | neoice | I'm trying to use debuild but for some reason its defaulting to building for i386 when I'd like amd64. is there a quick flag I can throw on to solve this? |
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| 23:44.45 | daemonkeeper | neoice: Are you natively on AMD64? |
| 23:45.32 | neoice | daemonkeeper: yes, but I was running i686 for a long long time. I just noticed the first warning is something like "sytem type does not match gcc system type" |
| 23:46.51 | daemonkeeper | You might try pass -a, but your systems seems to be messed up a bit |
| 23:47.17 | neoice | I assumed that there would be some breakage converting to amd64 |
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| 23:47.46 | Amnesia | anyone known with lftp here? |
| 23:48.09 | jelly-hme | Amnesia: just ask your question |
| 23:48.22 | jhutchins_lt | daemonkeeper: I have heard that you really can't convert from x86 to 64. |
| 23:48.22 | Amnesia | well I'm trying to upload a folder to an ftp server |
| 23:48.41 | daemonkeeper | jhutchins_lt: True |
| 23:48.56 | Amnesia | but for some reason "mirror -R /media/iso" doesn't work:S |
| 23:48.57 | daemonkeeper | You can, but official docs say "don't try it" |
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| 23:49.17 | neoice | daemonkeeper, jhutchins_lt: I do a lot of things the official docs dont recommend. |
| 23:49.40 | daemonkeeper | neoice: So you might have left some .conf indicating your native arch left |
| 23:49.44 | daemonkeeper | -left |
| 23:49.47 | jelly-hme | Amnesia: how does it fail to work? Are any of the subdirectories under /media/iso read-only? |
| 23:50.15 | Amnesia | yep they're read only |
| 23:50.25 | Amnesia | why'd that matter? |
| 23:50.58 | jelly-hme | Amnesia: if you upload a read-only directory you can't write into it any more |
| 23:51.16 | Amnesia | I see... |
| 23:51.27 | daemonkeeper | neoice: Anyhow, as said, -a overrides the default arch (for dpkg-buildpackage) |
| 23:51.37 | Amnesia | cause it also copies the file mode bits? |
| 23:51.49 | neoice | daemonkeeper: probably should get libc6-amd64 |
| 23:51.51 | Amnesia | so I need to copy it first to my disk and then upload it:S? |
| 23:52.06 | daemonkeeper | neoice: You want to cross compile? |
| 23:52.18 | jelly-hme | Amnesia: that, or, help rmirror should show a --no-perms option if that's acceptable |
| 23:52.21 | neoice | no, I just assume running the i686 libc on an amd64 system is wrong. |
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| 23:52.28 | Amnesia | I see |
| 23:53.36 | Amnesia | jelly-hme: keep getting: mirror: Fatal error: 502 Command not implemented |
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| 23:54.43 | jelly-hme | Amnesia: "debug 3", then repeat the command and try to figure out exactly which ftp command is failing any why |
| 23:54.46 | Amnesia | jelly-hme: isnt it a bug in the lftp package? |
| 23:54.47 | jelly-hme | and* why |
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| 23:55.25 | Amnesia | I need everything in /media/iso |
| 23:55.27 | jelly-hme | Amnesia: an error on the server side doesn't automatically mean a bug in lftp |
| 23:55.52 | Amnesia | jelly-hme: mirror -p -R /media/iso/ should be fine afaik right? |
| 23:56.00 | Amnesia | jelly-hme: everything works fine with filezilla |
| 23:56.53 | jelly-hme | Amnesia: I haven't seen actual output of your session. I'm just guessing about the read-only reason. |
| 23:56.53 | Amnesia | jelly-hme: http://pastie.org/1526763 |
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| 23:58.01 | jelly-hme | Amnesia: hmph. debug 9, and repeat. I thought 3 showed everything but apparently it doesn't |
| 23:58.43 | Amnesia | jelly-hme: http://pastie.org/1526768 |
| 23:58.53 | jelly-hme | Amnesia: what is the destination machine OS? |
| 23:59.06 | Amnesia | ehm some type of bsd os |
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| 23:59.44 | jelly-hme | Amnesia: remove the directories already present on the destination and repeat |
| 23:59.57 | Amnesia | there aren't any dirs in it |
| 23:59.59 | jelly-hme | you can also use rsync over ssh |
