| 00:00.39 | jelly-hme | Amnesia: ---> MKD iso <--- 550 Could not create directory # iso already exists! |
| 00:00.40 | Amnesia | does that have the abillity to use ftp o0? |
| 00:01.04 | jelly-hme | it's an alternative for ftp. |
| 00:01.28 | Amnesia | ugh |
| 00:01.32 | Amnesia | I just don't get it |
| 00:01.50 | jelly-hme | Amnesia: wipe the iso and any subdirectories already present, esp. if they're read-only, and retry |
| 00:01.55 | Amnesia | and yep the "mirror -p -R /media/iso" command creates a folder called iso with nothing inside it |
| 00:02.05 | Amnesia | wipe the iso:P? |
| 00:02.13 | jelly-hme | on the destination. Yes. |
| 00:02.16 | Amnesia | I'll try another dir |
| 00:02.37 | jelly-hme | or change its permissions to be read-write |
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| 00:02.55 | Amnesia | hm, mirror -p -R /home/amnesia also doesnt work |
| 00:03.05 | jelly-hme | how does it not work? |
| 00:04.00 | Amnesia | well same output as the second pastie dump |
| 00:04.15 | Amnesia | that output + an empty folder called amnesia |
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| 00:05.11 | jelly-hme | this seems to be the reason for the 502 message: ---> NLST <--- 502 Command not implemented |
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| 00:05.46 | jelly-hme | I have no idea what NLST command is supposed to do |
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| 00:05.57 | neoice | daemonkeeper: I found a tutorial on 686->amd64. looks like a blast. lots of manually grabbing packages and using --force to install them. |
| 00:06.15 | daemonkeeper | neoice: Yup. You better reinstall |
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| 00:06.49 | daemonkeeper | In fact I did this two days ago |
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| 00:06.53 | neoice | daemonkeeper: nah, I've broken systems collosally before, I'm sure I can handle this. I just feel like going to bed instead |
| 00:07.05 | jelly-hme | Amnesia: if ssh to the remote bsd machine works, you can copy files over that. |
| 00:07.06 | daemonkeeper | Upgraded my notebook from x86 to AMD64 |
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| 00:07.21 | Amnesia | jelly-hme: nope only ftp:/ |
| 00:07.26 | Amnesia | (it's a ps3..) |
| 00:07.37 | Amnesia | I guess it's just a bug in lftp |
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| 00:08.19 | jelly-hme | Amnesia: it's possible, however it could also be a bug or a quirk on the remote ftp server as well |
| 00:08.33 | Amnesia | hm true, but filezilla still works |
| 00:08.41 | Amnesia | so guess that numbers it out |
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| 00:08.47 | Amnesia | (single file copies do work) |
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| 00:09.10 | ElDiabolo | n8 |
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| 00:09.41 | jelly-hme | Amnesia: if you can convince lftp to use something other than that NLST command unimplemented at the remote side, it might be able to continue |
| 00:09.56 | Amnesia | hm ok |
| 00:10.40 | Amnesia | # NLST - name list of remote directory |
| 00:11.08 | jelly-hme | I wonder if switching to active ftp mode would make it behave differently |
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| 00:11.47 | Amnesia | also tried that |
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| 00:13.09 | Amnesia | no success |
| 00:13.38 | jelly-hme | well. |
| 00:14.05 | jelly-hme | use filezilla then ;-) |
| 00:14.10 | Amnesia | :/ |
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| 00:14.17 | manouch | hi |
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| 00:17.32 | access_d | so if you install the rc2 now.. when the release comes out, what would you do exactly to get exactly what you would get on that release? apt-get update and apt-get upgrade? |
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| 00:18.15 | stew | access_d: yes, that would work |
| 00:18.46 | jelly-hme | not a full-upgrade instead of mere upgrade? Is it completely certain that no dependencies are going to get changed? |
| 00:19.32 | access_d | not that it will be light years different from the rc2, i'm sure. but still. i plan on sticking with that stable release for a long time, as it will be my new server OS. |
| 00:20.22 | stew | jelly-hme: i'd be very suprisd |
| 00:20.35 | access_d | jelly-hme: i wouldn't really think of it as a full upgrade, as you're not going from 5.0 to 6.0 |
| 00:20.38 | daemonkeeper | access_d: RC2 is the installer, to be precise. So the release won't affect you at all. You will get (possible) changes by a simple apt-get upgrade |
| 00:21.01 | access_d | you're just upgrading a couple packages that *might* have been changed. |
| 00:21.22 | access_d | daemonkeeper: that's what i was wondering. thank you. |
| 00:21.34 | jelly-hme | stew: hopefully no bind security holes in the meantime, eh |
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| 00:21.45 | access_d | i'm just in a hurry to migrate all this crap over from win7 to debian, and i can't wait a few more days. hahaha |
| 00:22.03 | daemonkeeper | ... like 2 days? |
| 00:22.38 | access_d | 2-3, yes. i'm so sick of win7's bluescreens after a couple weeks of uptime. heh |
| 00:22.53 | daemonkeeper | Anyway, you should be safe to install Squeeze already. |
| 00:23.10 | themill | access_d: a dist-upgrade can be needed for security updates; it's not just for upgrading between releases. |
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| 00:23.25 | access_d | granted, i probably shouldn't have used win7 ultimate as a server in the first place, but i had some wierd win7 kick a year ago when i got sick of waiting for compiles on gentoo. :) |
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| 00:24.23 | daemonkeeper | Just make sure you have "squeeze" in your sources.list, not "testing" |
| 00:24.41 | access_d | themill: thanks for that pointer as well. i'm pretty new to apt and debian, so i'll take all the advice i can get. i'm used to watching crap scroll by on the screen for hours on end with gentoo. :) |
| 00:24.46 | jelly-hme | access_d: there's a reason why MS has a separate server OS series. |
| 00:25.15 | access_d | jelly-hme: yeah well, from what i've heard, that sucks too. you'll never get the uptime as you would say a stable debian server. heh |
| 00:25.50 | daemonkeeper | themill: wasn't exactly this ambiguity the reason that dist-upgrade was renamed in aptitude? |
| 00:26.14 | themill | daemonkeeper: yes |
| 00:26.19 | jelly-hme | access_d: that's jsut because people prefer their server patched and up-to-date instead of keeping silly uptimes |
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| 00:29.48 | access_d | jelly-hme: that's because windows prefers to release their stuff a lot more buggy than debian does. sorry, but debians strict policy on staying stable is what draws me here for a server. i probably wouldn't use it for a desktop, because i like testing the newer stuff. which is probably why i use gentoo. |
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| 00:30.31 | access_d | jelly-hme: but yes, as for security patches, i would rather have those than worry about an uptime. |
| 00:31.18 | daemonkeeper | access_d: You could use sid on your desktop. I run stable on servers and sid on my destkops/notebooks |
| 00:31.26 | ajikeshi | access_d, and you must do a reboot for every slight change in windows instead of when its necessary |
| 00:31.40 | ajikeshi | access_d, and i run squeeze on my desktop atm |
| 00:32.14 | access_d | daemonkeeper: sid still doesn't have the latest stuff, otherwise I probably would. |
| 00:32.31 | access_d | ajikeshi: exactly. |
| 00:32.45 | daemonkeeper | access_d: Fair enough. Perhaps a bit less living on the edge, indeed. |
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| 00:34.10 | access_d | daemonkeeper: i can't code for nothing, so i try to help out the cause with testing bleeding edge and reporting bugs if i find any. :) |
| 00:34.22 | ajikeshi | ya :D |
| 00:34.25 | access_d | i can edit code, i just can't come up with it myself. lol |
| 00:34.32 | ajikeshi | and testing is recent enough for me |
| 00:34.50 | juhaj | Any linux VM expers around? I have ~450MB of cache which won't get freed no matter how desperately apps require more memory. Result: hellish swapping. Swappiness, drop_caches, dirty_ratios etc "easy tricks" do now help. |
| 00:34.52 | ajikeshi | access_d, you just need go get used to "invent" code... |
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| 00:35.50 | theIan | Does anyone know if there is something like iWeb '09 that works on Linux? That's open source? |
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| 00:36.51 | sprink | If one was going to write some basic administrative shell scripts, that check for package updates and such, would aptitude or apt-get still be the preferred tools to call, or is there any simpler tools? |
| 00:36.59 | macrobat | i'm trying to boot sid on ext4 and lvm from grub2. how do i specify the "root=" option on the "linux" line? |
| 00:37.16 | macrobat | theIan: what does iweb do? |
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| 00:38.10 | theIan | iWeb is Apple's website design software. It is part of iLife and comes with every Mac. See more about it here: http://www.apple.com/ilife/iweb/ |
| 00:40.00 | sprink | Is there any way I could remove some recent updates, or some way to simulate that updates are available, so I can write some regex's accordingly? |
| 00:40.25 | theIan | macrobat: Web is Apple's website design software. It is part of iLife and comes with every Mac. See more about it here: http://www.apple.com/ilife/iweb/ |
| 00:40.54 | macrobat | theIan: there are tools for making websites, i don't know if there is some easy integrated tool like that. i'm not a web person :D |
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| 00:45.42 | jelly-hme | dpkg: linux |
| 00:45.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, linux is closed |
| 00:46.08 | jelly-hme | oookay |
| 00:46.50 | macrobat | free and closed to various amounts |
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| 00:48.07 | libresparks | Hi Everyone, could anybody tell me how to compile the libreoffice from source. |
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| 00:48.54 | libresparks | I can't find any configure or make file after extracted the tar ball :=( |
| 00:49.16 | sprink | libresparks: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/How_to_build |
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| 00:49.58 | macrobat | i'm trying to boot with this grub2 line: linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.36blabla root=/dev/vgname/lvname ro rootfstype=ext4 |
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| 00:50.39 | sprink | Any way to simulate there are package updates available with any of the apt tools? |
| 00:50.51 | macrobat | i get the msg /dev/vgname/lvname does not exist |
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| 00:51.18 | ajikeshi | sprink, add a custom archive that u host locally |
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| 00:51.45 | ajikeshi | which contains the original currently installed deb packages with increased version number |
| 00:52.10 | ajikeshi | but there might be a better approach |
| 00:52.16 | sprink | ajikeshi: uggh, that seems like a lot of work |
| 00:52.22 | sprink | to setup my own repo and such |
| 00:52.35 | ajikeshi | mhh acutally its not that much |
| 00:53.10 | ajikeshi | its just much if you do it the first time ever... but it gives you much knowledge of the internal working of deb and the repos |
| 00:53.14 | macrobat | if i try "root=/dev/mapper/vgname-lvname" it fails the same way. i just get a buzybox. i can mount the partition, though |
| 00:53.36 | sprink | ajikeshi: true |
| 00:53.48 | sprink | ajikeshi: thanks. I guess I'll look into that method |
| 00:53.56 | ajikeshi | you could also create dummy packages |
| 00:54.17 | ajikeshi | thats even better... than fiddling with the "base"-packages" |
| 00:54.58 | ajikeshi | sprink, but dont stop asking... its probable that theres a better way |
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| 00:56.35 | sprink | ajikeshi: yeah, I just want to simulate the ouput of package updates, so I can parse it with a shell script for daily administrative tasks |
| 00:56.54 | sprink | and right now I don't have any updates available |
| 00:57.29 | ajikeshi | mhh then this might be a good way for you |
| 00:57.31 | ajikeshi | or easier |
| 00:57.45 | ajikeshi | install older versions of "unused" packages |
| 00:58.14 | ajikeshi | like.. installing an not current package of emacs |
| 00:58.31 | ajikeshi | that would be easier to do |
| 00:58.38 | ajikeshi | but not as clean |
| 00:58.51 | jelly-hme | macrobat: for one thing, you _have to_ use the /dev/mapper/*-* device, initrd bits depend on that |
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| 01:00.09 | macrobat | i had "set root=(vgname-lvname)" first |
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| 01:00.20 | jelly-hme | *blink* |
| 01:00.47 | jelly-hme | macrobat: oh, you don't have a separate /boot out of lvm pv? |
| 01:01.05 | jelly-hme | that's still the safest option |
| 01:01.53 | jelly-hme | I don't use the grub2 lvm support (if it has any). |
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| 01:11.39 | libresparks | Thank you sprink, it's very helpful. |
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| 01:30.56 | lolufail | hi! |
| 01:31.13 | lolufail | is there a LDAP howto for squeeze that's not totally wrong?! |
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| 01:31.57 | lolufail | there is _no_ documentation for debian that doesnt work with slapd.conf -.- |
| 01:32.39 | lolufail | ubuntu guys did something better for once :P |
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| 01:50.50 | sprink | Would equivs be adequate for making a dummy package to simulate package updates in my local repo? |
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| 02:02.57 | jhutchins_lt | lolufail: It's up to you. Fix it. |
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| 02:24.31 | cire_nonick | I am doing convert *.png file.pdf, but it uses all my memory and all cores. May I limit the used cores for that process? (nice -n 19 didnt help). All pngs are 50MB at sum. |
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| 02:36.26 | Louis11 | I'm trying to connect to a remote machine using vnc4server. However, when I connect from my local machine, I get a gray screen with a black X as a cursor. Any idea how to fix this? |
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| 02:36.40 | Louis11 | I've uncommented the first two lines of xstartup, still no luck :/ |
| 02:36.54 | spersaud | kmuto lenny-custom-0116.iso installs squeeze ? 2.6.32 ?? |
| 02:36.59 | spersaud | its very nice though |
| 02:37.09 | spersaud | I thought I was going to install lenny |
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| 02:43.39 | wooden | Louis11: Are you connecting to the correct screen? Try hostname:0, or hostname:1. Alternately, investigate x11vnc, instead of vnc4server if you want to connect to the console session. |
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| 02:46.16 | nvz | can someone help me with NAT in squeeze, things seem to be all different, I can't find an ipmasq package or anything |
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| 02:46.52 | nvz | I have dhcp setup and working, and I've done echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 02:47.23 | nvz | think my tables are still wrong. connected to the internet through eth1 (wifi) want to share it with LAN on eth0 (wired |
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| 02:48.09 | jordanm | !ipmasq |
| 02:48.09 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ . The ipmasq package was removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #538384. |
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| 02:54.21 | nvz | jordanm: dude that link seems to be in retardhat speak.. |
| 02:54.24 | nsadmin | jordanm, I grabbed the ipmasq source |
| 02:54.48 | nvz | I tried translating best I could but still not getting through to the internet |
| 02:54.54 | jordanm | the lenny package will likely still install |
| 02:55.18 | nsadmin | if anything and I (ever) install squeeze on my gateway, I'll try to build squeeze package |
| 02:55.21 | nvz | "Anyway, create the file /etc/rc.d/rc.firewall-iptables with the following initial SIMPLE ruleset:" |
| 02:55.29 | nvz | I know thats not right for debian |
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| 02:55.41 | jordanm | nvz: that should be fine |
| 02:55.57 | jordanm | nvz: redhat speak would use "service iptables save" |
| 02:56.12 | nvz | true |
| 02:56.14 | jordanm | redhat management of iptables is actually much better IMO |
| 02:56.32 | nvz | yeah well I'm not running redhat, and this isn't #redhat |
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| 02:57.11 | nsadmin | do you have squeeze, lenny or somethign else? |
| 02:57.48 | jordanm | squeeze according to the first line |
| 02:58.07 | nvz | would /etc/rc.d/ in that be /etc/rc.local? |
| 02:58.28 | nvz | all I'm saying is that TLDP howto doesnt seem to be relevant AT ALL to debian squeeze |
| 02:58.30 | nsadmin | what would be involved in making it work with upstart? |
| 02:58.33 | nvz | which is what I'm running |
| 03:00.39 | nsadmin | ldp should have relevence to any dist... if it doesn't, perhaps a contribution is in order to cover what's needed for squeeze and have them add it if they want |
| 03:00.53 | macrobat | i guess /etc/rc.d/ is supposed to be /etc/init.d |
| 03:01.15 | nvz | yeah it looks like an init.d script |
| 03:01.15 | katsrc | what's a good music tag editor? |
| 03:01.23 | nvz | somewhat |
| 03:01.30 | macrobat | katsrc: kid3 |
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| 03:02.14 | katsrc | macrobat: a Qt application? |
| 03:02.18 | nsadmin | no, /etc/rc.d contains the rc<X>.d dirs (where <X> in 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,S) |
| 03:02.22 | jordanm | katsrc: aptitude search ~did3 |
| 03:02.22 | nvz | nm I think I'm reading it wrong.. there are different ways and I'm looking at the wrong one |
| 03:02.58 | macrobat | it doesn't need kde, it's rather small |
| 03:03.45 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.06 | katsrc | macrobat: thanks, i use kde |
| 03:04.12 | katsrc | jordanm: thank you |
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| 03:04.13 | nvz | ugh.. this is either for redhat or slackware.. I dont want a perminant router I just need a quick nat to finish a PXE debian netinstall that isn't going well |
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| 03:04.50 | nvz | I just need simple iptables commands to forward so I can get the box on wired eth0, online through wireless eth1 |
| 03:04.57 | nvz | I think the rules are all right |
| 03:05.11 | nvz | but I can't even figure out how to save iptables rules or what I gotta restart |
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| 03:05.28 | nvz | everything even the dhcpd is different in squeeze |
| 03:05.40 | nvz | its confusing the crap outta me |
| 03:05.44 | jordanm | nvz: the standard way in debian is that have rules started via script in a post-up interfaces fule |
| 03:06.00 | jordanm | s/fule/rule/ |
| 03:06.11 | nsadmin | it may be. the basic advantage of ipmasq is when things change, it can be told to tear down the firewall and "recalculate" it |
| 03:06.11 | dvs | nvz: http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 03:06.31 | ranix | nvz: I cheat when doing things like this and google for a howto, and copypaste |
| 03:06.42 | jordanm | ok, I was wrong... pre-up |
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| 03:15.47 | d0cipx | anyone familiar w/mdadm ? |
| 03:16.12 | dvs | !ask |
| 03:16.12 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 03:16.45 | d0cipx | ok, so i have a raid 5 array that recently took a crap on me |
| 03:16.59 | d0cipx | i was able to recover the data and rebuild the array using the rescue disk |
| 03:17.21 | d0cipx | i can see the array's as clean and mount them and view the data |
| 03:18.06 | d0cipx | the problem is when i try to boot normally, i am unable to get it to actually boot, it loads grub and says booting /dev/md2 but it never does |
| 03:18.09 | d0cipx | it did once |
| 03:18.24 | d0cipx | then i rebooted and it's like it cant find /dev/md2 which is my / |
| 03:20.12 | d0cipx | i'm thinking it may be a udev problem or something b/c it seems like it doesn't always mount the right array to the right partition, maybe it does and is just mapped by uuid or soemthing, but it lists like /dev/md3 as /dev/md8 sometimes, so if /dev/md3 is suppossed to be /home it won't mount it if it's listing it as /dev/md8 |
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| 03:25.27 | d0cipx | any ideas? |
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| 03:26.28 | PlagueRat | hi guys... well, got a more difficult question this time |
| 03:26.41 | nsadmin | !any ideas |
| 03:26.41 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of herring, a little cod liver oil, and 5 or 6 three-legged oxen. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 03:27.59 | nsadmin | maybe your md2 didn't get reassembled or something, or didn't get started |
| 03:28.46 | d0cipx | how can i make sure that it gets assembled on boot? |
| 03:28.56 | nsadmin | but as you're closer to root access... you have a better chance at finding out what actually happened so you can find out why udev or whichever is not giving you an md2 |
| 03:29.07 | dvs | d0cipx: have you tried refering to the md device as its UUID in the mdadm.conf file? |
| 03:29.30 | d0cipx | no i have not, i thought i read somewhere not to do that |
| 03:29.43 | nsadmin | look at /dev/by-uuid |
| 03:29.53 | nsadmin | I think that's the name |
| 03:30.08 | nsadmin | wait, it's /dev/disk/by-uuid |
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| 03:30.39 | nsadmin | notice what the items are |
| 03:30.58 | PlagueRat | AMD64, dual core, 3200+ MSI K8N Neo4, Debian 5.03, Lenny... fresh install. Two IDE disks, work fine. Two SATA disks, on /dev/sda and /dev/sdb ... created 1 massive partition on each, did a mkfs.ext3 on each, used mdadm to try to create array, got a warning about ext2fs file systems, went ahead anyway, it started /dev/md0, and it worked. Now, on boot, it only sees one disk. |
| 03:31.59 | PlagueRat | I mean, it only sees /dev/sda1 and builds the raid with one disk (it's okay, it's RAID-1)... but I want to use both disks |
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| 03:34.07 | FluxD | Squeeze release date is not mentioned anywhere other than here? |
| 03:36.08 | d0cipx | next quick question (while i'm booting rescue disk again) i tried editing files w/vi from the shell on the rescue disk and although i could open the file for editing it would not accept input |
| 03:36.18 | d0cipx | but i could :q! |
| 03:37.10 | simonrvn | PlagueRat: add the second one to the array |
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| 03:37.35 | PlagueRat | with mdadm ?? |
| 03:38.18 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 03:39.47 | PlagueRat | I did this when creating "mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 |
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| 03:40.11 | simonrvn | now you just add the second one to that array |
| 03:40.19 | d0cipx | @plaguerat mdadm --detail /dev/md0 |
| 03:40.25 | PlagueRat | it was right after that, it warned me the devices seemed to contain ext2fs file systems... |
| 03:40.44 | simonrvn | yes, because you created the fses first |
| 03:40.59 | PlagueRat | and I had done mkfs.ext3 on each one... is that a problem ??? |
| 03:41.48 | PlagueRat | it shows 1 device, second one "removed" |
| 03:42.55 | simonrvn | that's fine. it won't matter, they were empty. |
| 03:42.56 | d0cipx | correct me if i'm wrong but you might be able to do: mdadm --manage /dev/md0 -a /dev/sdb1 or something like that |
| 03:43.10 | simonrvn | man mdadm |
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| 03:45.03 | simonrvn | d0cipx: the fs was probably mounted read-only |
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| 03:45.14 | simonrvn | d0cipx: your question |
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| 03:57.17 | d0cipx | fyi i show a different uuid for each array so i think a total of 6 |
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| 04:00.16 | d0cipx | so was the consensus to map mdadm.conf by uuid if it's not already? |
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| 04:02.50 | PlagueRat | d0cipx - that command you suggested seems to be doing something useful... it's "rebuilding" the second disk |
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| 04:09.25 | d0cipx | so yea, what's in /dev/disk/by-uuid is completely different than the uuid's i'm showing in mdadm.conf |
| 04:10.13 | d0cipx | but nothing existed in /dev/disk/by-uuid until i assembled the arrays and mounted them |
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| 04:11.22 | d0cipx | any reasoning behind why the uuid's are different or if this needs to be changed? (i'm assuming it does since i want my system to boot, lol) |
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| 04:18.39 | d0cipx | well? |
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| 04:20.40 | d0cipx | do i need to change grub to boot from the uuid that is listed in mdadm? |
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| 04:27.28 | PlagueRat | thank you people |
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| 04:51.05 | karlpinc | Is grub2 recommended in squeeze? |
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| 04:51.28 | nvz | karlpinc: yes |
| 04:51.31 | tharkun | karlpinc: I really don't know but i believe that on the next release it will be the default |
| 04:51.49 | tharkun | So better start switching now |
| 04:51.57 | nvz | karlpinc: its currently advisable to chainload from grub1 until you know it works |
| 04:52.06 | nvz | it worked fine for me on this thinkpad |
| 04:52.19 | PlagueRat | hey, I'm running gnome right now... is KDE more "friendly" or more "powerful"? Can one have them both on one machine? How would one switch between them ? |
| 04:52.25 | karlpinc | nvz: Ah, that "testing" stuff of which they speak. :-) |
| 04:52.40 | nvz | PlagueRat: you can have both and choose your session type from the login window |
| 04:52.59 | PlagueRat | so just apt-get install kde ??? |
| 04:53.03 | nvz | PlagueRat: you could even mix/match parts of both if you really wanted to |
| 04:53.17 | karlpinc | nvz: Does kdm allow session switching as well? (Surely it must.) |
| 04:53.31 | nvz | PlagueRat: yes, that will install the KDE and have it in your sessions menu at login |
| 04:53.44 | karlpinc | PlagueRat: I always leave both installed just to have all the apps available. |
| 04:53.53 | nvz | karlpinc: as far as I know it does.. I haven't used it in ages.. I doubt they removed it |
| 04:54.13 | PlagueRat | I don't know enough to do that yet... I'm an old-school unix type... I grew up on PDP-11's runing unix, used windows since then, and just got back into linux/debian. I'm getting used to the graphical front ends... |
| 04:54.17 | nvz | there are also LXDE and XFCE populating the archives now |
| 04:54.31 | karlpinc | PlagueRat: I like gnome, except for is "workspace" managment, and replacing the window manager is painful and not worth it. |
| 04:54.33 | PlagueRat | I mean, I don't know enough to mix and match... but I'll learn |
| 04:54.59 | nvz | a Desktop Environment is not required at all.. you can mix and match any number of different things in the archive to make your own environment |
| 04:55.01 | karlpinc | PlagueRat: They both "just work", with all the apps showing up in both menus. |
| 04:55.15 | karlpinc | PlagueRat: The only question is what *dm you use, I like gdm. |
| 04:55.40 | nvz | the display manager really only effects your login screen |
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| 04:56.28 | karlpinc | PlagueRat: In general gnome is very well designed, but like the Mac interface it's painful to get under the covers. Whereas kde, IMO, is more like MS Windows, with lots of drop down menus making it appear more configurable because you have to make the changes the stupid way rather than by, say, drag and drop. |
| 04:57.00 | karlpinc | PlagueRat: They both suck. You're better off installing both and then finding something else you like. |
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| 04:57.27 | PlagueRat | well, I've been doing a lot with a terminal window... since that's what I used to know (before I forgot it all). |
| 04:57.59 | karlpinc | PlagueRat: My basic requirement is "the one true focus", which is mouseover changes focus. ;-) And to have multiple viewports that I can drag windows between and that I can navigate to by bumping the screen edge. |
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| 04:58.18 | karlpinc | PlagueRat: Console is key. |
| 04:58.34 | nevyn | hates bump to navigate/pageflip |
| 04:58.38 | karlpinc | PlagueRat: s/focus/window focus/ |
| 04:58.44 | nevyn | key based switching ftw. |
| 04:59.41 | PlagueRat | karlpinc - I am still using winblows for a lot of work (I'm on a winblows right now)... the switch between mouseover focus to "must click in window focus" between the two OS is driving me nuts right now... it will get to be second nature eventually, but right now I keep pointing the winblows arrow at something, typing, and finding my browswer going nuts (or whatever)... |
| 04:59.51 | karlpinc | nevyn: Sounds crazy. Your hand is on the mouse or you would not be wanting to switch viewpoints, at least in my experience. If I want consoles I can do ALT-Fn, or just frob the xterm windows. |
| 05:01.04 | karlpinc | nevyn: (or use screen, or job control, all of which is faster and portable to non-gui boxes so that's what I want my fingers to know.) |
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| 05:01.23 | karlpinc | \/rant |
| 05:01.50 | karlpinc | PlagueRat: I don't switch. :-) |
| 05:02.11 | nevyn | karlpinc: /me barely uses the mouse |
| 05:02.34 | nevyn | but I use desktops to navigate instead of paging through stacks of windows. |
| 05:02.48 | karlpinc | nevyn: I gotta have mouse for web reference. |
| 05:02.52 | nevyn | so I have a terminal on desktop one and a browser on two etc. |
| 05:03.00 | nevyn | karlpinc: meh up/down work... |
| 05:03.18 | karlpinc | nevyn: I organize by project, or if the project is big by code and docs. |
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| 05:03.53 | karlpinc | nevyn: So mostly I live in one at a time and mostly want to flip to the web. |
| 05:04.49 | karlpinc | nevyn: Oh yeah, and one for email. I used to do email in emacs, but found that the gui "more better" although I've not found a mail client I really like. |
| 05:05.10 | karlpinc | nevyn: It was the mail attachements that drove me off the console. |
| 05:06.00 | nevyn | hrm I still like mutt |
| 05:06.18 | nevyn | mutt and irssi is where I do most non-web stuff. |
| 05:07.02 | karlpinc | nevyn: What does mutt do when you've, say, a pdf attachment? |
| 05:07.34 | nevyn | saves it where I open it with evince. |
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| 05:08.47 | karlpinc | nevyn: Nah. I don't want to go through that save/find crap. I could probably avoid it with emacs running in it's X mode but then you're in the gui anyway.... |
| 05:09.01 | nevyn | yeah. I get it. |
| 05:09.10 | nevyn | I get relatively few attachements still. |
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| 06:01.16 | lolcat | Where can I get flash for lenny? |
| 06:01.41 | Hydroxide | !flash |
| 06:01.41 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
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| 06:03.08 | Hydroxide | lolcat: as a clarification, adobe flash is only in lenny-backports since it's a proprietary, sometimes-insecure blob for which it's impossible for debian to provide security or stability support. look in the flash-nonfree package there if you need it and if the free implementations don't meet your needs. |
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| 06:04.53 | lolcat | Hydroxide: I need to use speedtest.net to test my vpses upload speed to the us |
| 06:05.58 | Hydroxide | lolcat: ok. well I think I answered your question; if not, feel free to ask for a clarification. |
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| 06:07.09 | lolcat | Is there a small desktop enviorement good for x11? |
| 06:07.50 | Hydroxide | lolcat: totally up to your personal choice. if you want something familiar to users coming from other OSes, consider lxde and xfce. there are lots of other options |
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| 06:09.41 | lolcat | Hydroxide: I know, really ligthweigth would be good |
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| 06:17.14 | ExplodingPiglets | hi |
| 06:17.27 | ExplodingPiglets | I have a question. |
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| 06:22.09 | trebuchet | ExplodingPiglets: Fascinating. |
| 06:22.17 | cahoot | !tell ExplodingPiglets about ask |
| 06:22.29 | ExplodingPiglets | oh ok |
| 06:22.36 | ExplodingPiglets | Here is my question: |
| 06:22.53 | ExplodingPiglets | Are muslim babies the next generation of "baby boomers"? |
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| 06:23.04 | cahoot | !ot |
| 06:23.04 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 06:23.40 | lolcat | I can't find flashplugin-nonfree in lennys backports... |
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| 06:33.14 | streuner | judd, versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 06:33.32 | judd | Package flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.3 |
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| 06:39.21 | manhunter | how can i keep cache in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 06:56.06 | nomicon | Im getting this output from cron in my email every night: |
| 06:56.07 | nomicon | /etc/cron.daily/custombuild: |
| 06:56.07 | nomicon | tput: No value for $TERM and no -T specified |
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| 07:02.42 | karlpinc | Is there something I can install to put a --Mark-- in the logs at regular intervals or am I expected to use logger and cron? |
| 07:03.26 | karlpinc | nomicon: Where does /etc/cron.daily/custombuild come from? |
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| 07:06.52 | nomicon | karlpinc: From DirectAdmin |
| 07:06.57 | nomicon | karlpinc: Its a web controlpanel |
| 07:07.16 | karlpinc | nomicon: What's that? |
| 07:07.21 | nomicon | www.directadmin.com |
| 07:08.22 | karlpinc | nomicon: Their crontab entry is not right. Tell them to fix it. |
| 07:08.33 | nomicon | Whats wrong with it? |
| 07:08.46 | nomicon | its not en entry in crontab at all, its a script located in /etc/cron.daily/ |
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| 07:09.45 | karlpinc | nomicon: Whatever, it's run by cron and expects to have a $TERM variable defined, or passes the wrong flag to something that wants a -T. |
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| 07:10.34 | nomicon | I suppose |
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| 07:25.29 | tarzeau | release! release! party! party! |
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| 07:26.18 | _newb | i don't see cron.log in my /var/log... (debian lenny).. where are u cron.log |
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| 07:29.58 | _newb | so... my /etc/crontab has (20 2 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily )), but i have a shell script in cron.daily that didn't just run.. any body got a clue why? |
| 07:30.20 | tarzeau | _newb: can you post an url to your shell script? |
| 07:30.35 | tarzeau | _newb: did you use crontab -e to edit the entry? |
| 07:30.44 | karlpinc | _newb: /var/log/cron.* is not enabled by default. See /etc/rsyslog.conf. |
| 07:30.52 | _newb | tarzeau: the shell script runs manually without fault.. i thought dropping it into the cron.daily folder would put it in the queue |
| 07:31.15 | tarzeau | _newb: yes that's fine, but what runs manually without fault is not automatically running without fault within cron |
| 07:31.18 | karlpinc | _newb: Yes, but often $PATH is not right/complete. (I'd expect you'd get an email.) |
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| 07:31.34 | tarzeau | karlpinc: or permissions, or wrong shell, or... |
| 07:31.34 | Technikfreak | hello how could i destroy my laptop hdd with a live cd |
| 07:31.38 | Technikfreak | i would make it unreadable |
| 07:31.38 | _newb | karlpinc: cron.* /var/log/cron.log (enabled now... do i need to restart rsys? how?) |
| 07:32.01 | _newb | tarzeau: that's why i'm looking for a log :) |
| 07:32.10 | tarzeau | Technikfreak: destroy it for ever? in the oven at 250 degrees |
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| 07:32.24 | cwillu_at_work | Technikfreak, beat it with the livecd until it breaks |
| 07:32.41 | cwillu_at_work | although I doubt the livecd would outlast it |
| 07:32.42 | Technikfreak | mh nto for ever |
| 07:32.46 | Technikfreak | i would sell it after it |
| 07:32.51 | _newb | tarzeau: lol.. fahrenheit 250 |
| 07:32.52 | karlpinc | Technikfreak: shred takes forever. You could run badblocks -w or simply dd zeros onto it. |
| 07:32.55 | Technikfreak | but my data should be secure |
| 07:33.07 | tarzeau | Technikfreak: remove the disk, put another in |
| 07:33.09 | cwillu_at_work | dd will suffice |
| 07:33.19 | _newb | karlpinc: do i need to restart rsys? |
| 07:33.39 | tarzeau | cwillu_at_work: for most cases that's fine, but if it's really important secret data, it might be recovered even then |
| 07:33.42 | rozie | Technikfreak: shred -n1 -z <device> should be enough |
| 07:33.49 | Technikfreak | ok |
| 07:33.50 | cwillu_at_work | tarzeau, no, it won't. |
| 07:33.52 | karlpinc | _newb: Dunno. Didn't rtfm. Couldn't hurt, although I'd guess it's unnecessary. |
| 07:33.56 | cwillu_at_work | dd will be quite enough |
| 07:34.01 | Technikfreak | is shred inbuild with debian or a extra tool |
| 07:34.07 | cwillu_at_work | the shred myth needs to die. |
| 07:34.07 | _newb | karlpinc: command? |
| 07:34.10 | rozie | build in |
| 07:34.32 | karlpinc | !tell _newb about grounding |
| 07:34.42 | cwillu_at_work | Technikfreak, http://news.softpedia.com/news/Data-Wiping-Myth-Put-to-Rest-102376.shtml |
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| 07:34.45 | rozie | Technikfreak: you may want to add verbose mode (-v IIRC, but check the man) |
| 07:34.45 | karlpinc | _newb: It's in the reference manual |
| 07:34.57 | Technikfreak | haha |
| 07:35.09 | rozie | Technikfreak: coreutils is the package |
| 07:35.13 | Technikfreak | ok guys you helped be püerfect |
| 07:35.20 | Technikfreak | nwo i will delete all the shit thx |
| 07:35.26 | cwillu_at_work | rozie, stop.... saying.... shred. |
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| 07:35.35 | rozie | cwillu_at_work: because? |
| 07:35.40 | karlpinc | cwillu_at_work: I agree. (Although the paranoid might feel better with badblocks' mutiple writes of different patterns. |
| 07:35.42 | cwillu_at_work | rozie, because it's unnecessary |
| 07:35.58 | karlpinc | rozie: And takes too long. |
| 07:36.22 | cwillu_at_work | rozie, find me a data recovery company that claims to recover data after a dd, and I'll show you a scam |
| 07:36.25 | karlpinc | rozie: By the time you need shred you should be physically destroying the hd. |
| 07:36.30 | cwillu_at_work | exactly |
| 07:36.45 | rozie | well, I used shred no more then week ago |
| 07:37.11 | karlpinc | cwillu_at_work: (Although, gosh, it's fun to run on your usb stick to get 'l33t' points. ;-) |
| 07:37.14 | cwillu_at_work | irrelevant. Nobody is claiming shred doesn't work. It just takes a couple of orders of magnitude longer than it needs to |
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| 07:37.27 | rozie | it was not so slow (well it was disc on USB) |
| 07:37.32 | karlpinc | cwillu_at_work: (For some value of "need".) |
| 07:37.55 | cwillu_at_work | ignores the talking sounds coming from karlpinc's mouth :p |
| 07:38.13 | rozie | and zeroing (with shred) wasn't noticeably faster than random part |
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| 07:38.16 | rozie | (one pass) |
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| 07:38.29 | cwillu_at_work | if it's just doing a dd, then fine |
| 07:40.23 | rozie | so, if we agree, that time is not so long, I see no point in not using shred |
| 07:41.03 | karlpinc | cwillu_at_work: Come to speak of though, last time I dd-ed /dev/zero it sucked cpu. I'm guessing because /dev/zero is a char device. How to avoid this? |
| 07:41.15 | cwillu_at_work | karlpinc, bs=1024 or some such |
| 07:41.21 | cwillu_at_work | just need to read more than one byte at a time |
| 07:41.37 | karlpinc | rozie: It can be good to use the more general tool. |
| 07:41.38 | _newb | tarzeau: i added the command to my crontab, but it's not running |
| 07:41.39 | rozie | karlpinc: use shred ;-) it takes care of such things IIRC |
| 07:41.45 | karlpinc | cwillu_at_work: I swear id gave it a bs. |
| 07:41.53 | karlpinc | rozie:) |
| 07:42.02 | cwillu_at_work | meh, you need to remember a couple random parameters either way :p |
| 07:42.52 | rozie | far less then using dd |
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| 07:43.21 | cwillu_at_work | it's 3 parameters either way |
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| 07:43.55 | rozie | cwillu_at_work: shred has proggres indicator |
| 07:44.06 | rozie | dd has not (without some dirty tricks) |
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| 07:45.20 | _newb | tarzeau: my command showed up in the syslog >> [/USR/SBIN/CRON[4965]: (root) CMD (root /etc/cron.daily/backups.sh)] |
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| 07:45.41 | rozie | karlpinc: general tool? you *can* send email using telnet only, but I prefer to use mutt/icedove for that ;-) |
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| 07:46.41 | rozie | and irssi for IRC |
| 07:46.48 | rozie | whole lotta of bloat! |
| 07:47.10 | rozie | ;) |
| 07:47.11 | rozie | bbl |
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| 07:48.45 | willemb | Hi guys. Feel free to tell me if I am totally in the wrong place, but I am looking for a way to manage ssl certificates across hundreds of servers for thousands of domains. Where should I start looking? |
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| 07:51.04 | dimir | ? cfgengine |
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| 07:51.56 | willemb | dimir: We use puppet for deployment around here. I guess it all boils down to a git repository with all our certs, and servers check out the relevant certs (or even all of them) on a frequent basis? |
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| 07:53.39 | _newb | ugh.. why is my cron not running?? |
| 07:54.08 | trebuchet | _newb: Is cron itself not running or is your job not? |
| 07:54.20 | _newb | trebuchet: may i pm u? |
| 07:54.33 | trebuchet | _newb: I guess, I don't think I can help you that much. I'm a BSD user. |
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| 07:55.53 | dimir | willemb: check out bcfg2 |
| 07:57.24 | _newb | trebuchet: thanks.. pm-ing u now. |
| 07:57.28 | _newb | oops |
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| 07:57.59 | trebuchet | _newb: /query trebuchet |
| 07:58.00 | willemb | dimir: I am not about to replace puppet with something else. we already manage 99% of servers' configuration with that. |
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| 08:05.13 | mikunos | Hi guys |
| 08:05.58 | mikunos | I have a little difficulty in order to create a pxe connection with a linux box |
| 08:06.23 | mikunos | I have set the dnsmasq |
| 08:06.35 | mikunos | the deamon is started correctly |
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| 08:06.57 | mikunos | I have 2 nic [eth0, eth1] |
| 08:07.24 | mikunos | eth0 is connected at the public network |
| 08:07.27 | tarzeau | _newb: as before, can i see your backups.sh? |
| 08:07.59 | _newb | tarzeau: it has a bunch of SCP commands with servers & users.. i don't want to share that and editing it won't be very helpful. |
| 08:08.05 | _newb | tarzeau: but it runs fine from the commandline |
| 08:08.17 | tarzeau | _newb: post the first line of it please |
| 08:08.25 | tarzeau | _newb: so it's one that runs as root |
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| 08:09.05 | tarzeau | _newb: run some echo $HOME in the script, it's possible the environment within the commandline and the cron isn't the same |
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| 08:13.08 | d0cipx | why is it that uuid on blkid and uuid in mdadm.conf are different? |
| 08:13.36 | d0cipx | and which one do you actually use to set root=uuid= in grub |
| 08:14.17 | d0cipx | i read that i should use the blkid uuid but it acted like it wanted to boot and didnt, said..parsing elf, booting kernel, and then hung |
| 08:14.58 | d0cipx | i'm about to try mdadm.conf uuid but i dont have high hopes unless someone actually tells me it should work |
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| 08:15.35 | d0cipx | thoughts? |
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| 08:16.36 | _newb | i wrote a shell script that features a bunch of SCP commands. it's got root perms/ownership. i can run it without fail from command line. i've added it to crontab (to run at various times, including a moment ago). It doesn't seem to be running, but it's producing an empty log file, and doesn't email me. The log and the directory (to where the SCPs will go) both have root ownership and write perms.. anybody feel like helping me troubles |
| 08:16.43 | _newb | oh.. and i'm a hot japanese girl. :/ |
| 08:17.13 | willemb | _newb: your description is typical of path problems. |
| 08:17.31 | tarzeau | _newb: tmi, nobody cares what you are, how much money you have, or don't |
| 08:18.08 | d0cipx | actually i'll write the script for you for hookers & blow |
| 08:18.25 | _newb | lol. |
| 08:18.36 | tarzeau | !language d0cipx |
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| 08:18.45 | rigved | hi everyone...i'm interested in kernel programming...can anyone guide as to where should i start |
| 08:18.57 | tarzeau | rigved: which kernel? kfreebsd or linux? |
| 08:19.06 | tarzeau | rigved: start with the c programming language |
| 08:19.09 | d0cipx | my language is korean, chinese, english, spanish, etc.. |
| 08:19.14 | d0cipx | yours? |
| 08:19.16 | karlpinc | _newb: I thought you said the script came from www.directadmin.com. |
| 08:19.21 | Switch | _newb: shut the fuck up |
| 08:19.29 | tarzeau | _newb: what are you trying to backup? |
| 08:19.48 | tarzeau | _newb: ever heard of my ibackup? |
| 08:20.01 | tarzeau | _newb: http://gnu.ethz.ch/linuks.mine.nu/ibackup/ |
| 08:20.03 | _newb | tarzeau: no.. i don't know that. how do i echo $path? |
| 08:20.05 | rigved | tarzeau: i already know c...i want to work on a linux kernel...prefereably the debian or ubuntu kernels...basically i want to create kernel modules |
| 08:20.17 | tarzeau | _newb: you add a line "echo $PATH" without the "" |
| 08:20.29 | tarzeau | rigved: learn git and look at www.kernel.org |
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| 08:20.37 | _newb | tarzeau: to my shell script, i'm guessing....okay. standby :D |
| 08:20.45 | tarzeau | _newb: the debian kernels are gnu hurd, kfreebsd and linux. ubuntu only has linux |
| 08:20.47 | rigved | tarzeau: hmmm...ok...thanks |
| 08:20.59 | trebuchet | Switch: Watch your language please. _newb actually is a cute nipponese woman* now, I can attest. Sorry I prodded her to tell the channel that. I just assumed it might help with responses. |
| 08:21.03 | tarzeau | rigved: kernel modules to support new hardware, existing hardware or something different? |
| 08:21.19 | Switch | trebuchet: I don't give a shit abut your autistic nerd fantasies |
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| 08:21.29 | d0cipx | @rigved why dont you check out...http://www.amazon.com/Linux-Kernel-Development-Robert-Love/dp/0672329468/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1296807645&sr=1-2 |
| 08:21.48 | rigved | tarzeau: i want to create kernel modules to distribute processes... |
| 08:21.49 | tarzeau | trebuchet: is your nick refering to typography? |
| 08:22.04 | tarzeau | rigved: can you explain that more verbosely? |
| 08:22.09 | karlpinc | tarzeau: I'm not convinced it's his script, and _newb seems unwilling to do even the most basic reading. If you want to babysit him you might do better in #debian-offtopic. |
| 08:22.20 | Switch | SHUTUGTGD'DFG |
| 08:22.21 | Switch | FS |
| 08:22.27 | tarzeau | karlpinc: no way i want that, it was my last try to help |
| 08:22.59 | _newb | :( |
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| 08:23.11 | trebuchet | Switch: Are you in a bad mood? I'm an assistant professor of linguistics for my postgraduate at a university. I go to coffee shops and talk about art appreciation. I don't screw around with computers as much as you probably do. Maybe if you cut some time out of insulting others over IRC you may meet some interesting foreigners like _newb. |
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| 08:23.25 | trebuchet | tarzeau: It is a reference to a historical weapon of war. |
| 08:23.29 | rigved | tarzeau: sure...so when i start a process, it only executes on my computer...now if i have a few computers connected via LAn and they are not being used, then i can harness the CPU and RAM of these machines for my tasks, like video encoding |
| 08:23.35 | Switch | trebuchet: hurr hurr durr hurr you're a hipster faggot I don't give a fucking shit |
| 08:23.43 | d0cipx | is it normal to not receive responses to questions here? |
| 08:23.48 | rigved | tarzeau: so, i want to distribute processes |
| 08:24.00 | tarzeau | rigved: you know there's already something like that, without kernel module? it's called wisconsin condor |
| 08:24.03 | trebuchet | Switch: So you know nothing about me, honestly. Just stop talking. |
| 08:24.11 | rigved | tarzeau: later, i want to try and distribute individual threads of processing |
| 08:24.11 | mikunos | Hi guys does anybody help me to configure the dnsmasq, please? This is the synopsis: http://pastie.org/1527590 |
| 08:24.12 | tarzeau | rigved: and it's pretty good, and someone is packaging it for debian, ubuntu already has it |
| 08:24.14 | willemb | d0cipx: serious debian questions are answered at irc.debian.org |
| 08:24.15 | Switch | trebuchet: are you going to make me mate? |
| 08:24.20 | _newb | tarzeau: it didn't output that "echo $PATH" to my log |
| 08:24.25 | Switch | trebuchet: you fat fuck |
| 08:24.28 | trebuchet | Switch: Where do you live? If it is convenient. |
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| 08:24.37 | karlpinc | d0cipx: Yes. If no one knows the answer ask again later. |
| 08:24.39 | Switch | trebuchet: australia, sydney, 2134 |
| 08:24.42 | Switch | trebuchet: come along |
| 08:24.44 | tarzeau | !ops help |
| 08:24.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: tarzeau complains about: help |
| 08:24.46 | Switch | trebuchet: hyrr dyrrrrr |
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| 08:24.50 | Switch | hurrrrrrrrrrr durrrrrrrrrr |
| 08:24.51 | karlpinc | !ops Switch is being an asshole, verbosely. |
| 08:24.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: karlpinc complains about: Switch is being an asshole, verbosely. |
| 08:25.00 | [XrCT]Creation | :)) |
| 08:25.03 | Switch | karlpinc: hello nerd |
| 08:25.07 | d0cipx | @willemb, i guess the thing is it's a raid question, although i'm using debian it's not debian specific, any idea where to check for that? |
| 08:25.20 | mikunos | any help? |
| 08:25.22 | karlpinc | d0cipx: You can still ask here. |
| 08:25.24 | rigved | tarzeau: ok...thanks...i'll check that out too...actually this is my college project...so i have to do it in kernel modules so that applications do not have to modified |
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| 08:25.41 | d0cipx | i'm assuming you guys didn't see when i ask earlier so i'll ask again.... |
| 08:25.44 | tarzeau | rigved: condor wisconsin doesn't need applications to be modified either |
| 08:25.57 | willemb | d0cipx: I didn't read your question, lemme check |
| 08:25.58 | tarzeau | rigved: but yeah if it's just for fun, go ahead and re-invent that wheel :) |
| 08:26.00 | karlpinc | mikunos: Can't look. Did you check the logs? |
| 08:26.11 | rigved | tarzeau: :) |
| 08:26.19 | mikunos | which logs karlpinc? |
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| 08:26.26 | d0cipx | what is the deal with having uuid in blkid output also in /dev/disk/by-uuid and having a different uuid in mdadm.conf |
| 08:26.31 | karlpinc | mikunos: Probably /var/log/daemon* |
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| 08:26.57 | d0cipx | and which one is primarily used for setting root=uuid= in order to boot properly |
| 08:26.58 | willemb | sorry, I don't have much knowledge on that |
| 08:26.58 | rigved | d0cipx: thanks...i;; check that too |
| 08:27.04 | karlpinc | d0cipx: The raid disks are their own "devices" with their own uuid? |
| 08:27.12 | mikunos | there is no logs |
| 08:27.20 | d0cipx | @karl yes |
| 08:27.27 | _newb | tarzeau: sooo... echo $PATH doesn't output, the script doesn't seem to being run (even tho an empty log was produced); i changed the header to #!/bin/bash, didn't see much of a change. |
| 08:27.29 | karlpinc | mikunos: Tell it to log. |
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| 08:27.37 | tarzeau | !repeat _newb |
| 08:27.50 | tarzeau | apt ping |
| 08:27.50 | apt | ~pong |
| 08:27.53 | tarzeau | dpkg ping |
| 08:27.53 | dpkg | pong |
| 08:28.06 | tarzeau | did the bots get brainwashed? |
| 08:28.07 | mikunos | I have already set the log active in the config karlpinc |
| 08:28.18 | mikunos | http://pastie.org/1527590 |
| 08:28.26 | _newb | *scratches head* |
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| 08:28.37 | d0cipx | each device in the array has the same uuid (which is good/correct) example /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 all have individual drive uuid which is all e2343214-blah-blah |
| 08:28.50 | d0cipx | then each array has it's own uuid which is different than the uuid of the disks |
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| 08:28.53 | tarzeau | _newb: i have read your answers, you don't have to repeat them. i don't have to say anything else. the tip was clear, check your PATH |
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| 08:29.13 | como22 | ciao !lista |
| 08:29.17 | tarzeau | _newb: redirect echo $PATH to a file and check it when run from cron |
| 08:29.39 | como22 | !lista |
| 08:29.50 | mikunos | any idea? |
| 08:29.54 | mikunos | ciao como22 |
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| 08:30.55 | _newb | tarzeau: added "echo $PATH >> /var/www/backups.log" to the top of the .sh script; updated crontab to run in 30s (from now) |
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| 08:31.22 | mikunos | :( |
| 08:31.22 | tarzeau | _newb: great, then compare the $PATH from running inside cron, and running from the commandline |
| 08:31.46 | _newb | tarzeau: nothing was output when the cron ran |
| 08:32.18 | tarzeau | _newb: so the $PATH inside the cron is empty, now add export PATH="whatever echo $PATH" outputs from the commandline, and have it run again from cron |
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| 08:35.36 | _newb | tarzeau: will run in 30s |
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| 08:36.25 | _newb | tarzeau: it's still producing an empty log file |
| 08:36.51 | tarzeau | _newb: sorry, i don't know then, unless you post your script |
| 08:37.14 | tarzeau | _newb: you could run the script to one of the many "filters" to make it a bit different, i love the nethackify one |
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| 10:15.38 | poccha | well right now im trying to get the right mirror ubri the sources.list |
| 10:15.45 | poccha | thats where i should put it right ? |
| 10:17.03 | Cozminsky | poccha, /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 10:17.30 | Cozminsky | _newb, what happened with your script? |
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| 10:18.01 | _newb | Cozminsky: thanks for asking, i ended up copying it to home, changing owner, changing perms, updating crontab (to not have a user), and the log finally output |
| 10:18.09 | _newb | Cozminsky: we're testing now with cron.hourly |
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| 10:18.40 | Cozminsky | _newb, you might find other clues in /var/log/daemon.log syslog for cron should be put there |
| 10:19.05 | Cozminsky | _newb, but I agree you shouldn't be running world writeable stuff as root |
| 10:19.28 | _newb | Cozminsky: i'm getting a deserved tongue-lashing |
| 10:19.32 | _newb | Cozminsky: thx |
| 10:20.18 | poccha | Cozminsky do i have to restart the server after editing the sources.list? |
| 10:21.31 | Cozminsky | poccha, no, you should only need to restart if you've updated the kernel and you want the changes to take effect |
| 10:21.59 | frikinz | What are the options for automounting a usb key? Without X! Pulling hal only for this annoys me I think |
| 10:22.01 | Cozminsky | poccha, just apt-get update once you've added it |
| 10:22.28 | neoice | I'm missing a library despite the package being installed, reinstalled, force-overwrite... any thoughts on how I could investigate or what my next step should be? |
| 10:23.00 | frikinz | neoice: ldd, depmod |
| 10:23.11 | poccha | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 10:23.13 | poccha | ... |
| 10:23.46 | neoice | frikinz: ldd is how I know the library is missing and which one it is. "libldap-2.4.so.2 => not found |
| 10:24.11 | Cozminsky | frikinz, you can just put it in /etc/fstab with the user attribute, which will allow anyone to mount it |
| 10:24.12 | neoice | but I most certainly have libldap, I even have the libraries and symlinks where they should be. |
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| 10:24.23 | mikunos | hi guys how have I set the iptables in order to let reach the dnsmasq server? |
| 10:24.24 | Cozminsky | frikinz, but not sure on the automount though |
| 10:25.03 | poccha | great :) i think it worked! |
| 10:25.17 | frikinz | Cozminsky: yes, that's the point, someone will come with a usb key (so I have no control on the label or uuid) and it needs to be automounted and a script executed then |
| 10:25.32 | Cozminsky | frikinz, maybe check out the usbmount |
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| 10:26.05 | Cozminsky | frikinz, or pmount packages |
| 10:26.07 | frikinz | Cozminsky: ah. interesting thanks |
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| 10:27.55 | frikinz | arg but pmount relies on hal.. ah well |
| 10:29.40 | Cozminsky | frikinz, but pmount is only recommended by usbmount, usbmount might be enough |
| 10:29.47 | frikinz | neoice: my depmod advice was completly wrong. I need more coffee |
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| 10:31.22 | frikinz | Cozminsky: yes. and I don't think I need policy mount. |
| 10:31.23 | Cozminsky | poccha, so you've followed the debianadministration article through to it's conclusion? |
| 10:32.07 | frikinz | neoice: ldconfig -vv |
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| 10:32.40 | poccha | Cozminsky actually while trying to find the right mirror for the backport thing i found the following: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4290911/install-postgres-9-0-in-debian-lenny |
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| 10:34.58 | streuner | judd, versions postgresql |
| 10:35.00 | judd | Package postgresql on i386 -- lenny: 8.3.13-0lenny1; lenny-security: 8.3.14-0lenny1; squeeze: 8.4.5-0squeeze2; sid: 8.4.5-1; lenny-backports: 8.4.5-2~bpo50+1; sid: 8.4.6-1; sid: 8.4.7-1; lenny-backports-sloppy: 9.0.1-1~bpo50+1; sid: 9.0.1-1; lenny-backports-sloppy: 9.0.2-1~bpo50+1; sid: 9.0.2-1; lenny-backports-sloppy: 9.0.3-1~bpo50+1; sid: 9.0.3-1 |
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| 10:45.39 | frikinz | Cozminsky: usbmount works well and is small enough. thanks :) |
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| 10:48.01 | eSa| | hi, I'm using iceweasel but on window title it's show Mozilla Firefox, do you know how to ajust this? I'm using iceweasel experimental 3.6.13 |
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| 10:48.56 | Bushmills | !iceweasel |
| 10:48.56 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 10:49.37 | Bushmills | hm, hoped the factoid would mention that mostly the icon was replaced against a free version |
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| 10:51.51 | frikinz | There's this too: http://raphaelhertzog.com/2011/02/03/people-behind-debian-mike-hommey-firefox-iceweasel-maintainer/ "But I do hope Wheezy will get Firefox back." |
| 10:53.26 | Bushmills | there's a firefox extension which allows to customise the title bar text |
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| 10:54.47 | mikunos | how have I set the iptables using a web interface? |
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| 10:55.16 | mikunos | which software helps me to manage by web interface the iptables? |
| 10:55.22 | Bushmills | mikunos: how would you set rules for blocking web traffic with that? |
| 10:55.47 | mikunos | yess too |
| 10:55.53 | ranjan | mikunos, my be webmin/virtualmin can help you. |
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| 10:56.39 | ranjan | mikunos, i am not sure whether it has a firewall section. but you can manage an entire server with webmin |
| 10:56.41 | iceroot | i want to remove a divert, so /foo.orig will be /foo again. dpkg-divert --remove --rename /foo is telling me, that its not allowed to overwrite a file, so is it correct i have to use rm /foo before the divert? (its working, but is it also the correct way?) |
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| 10:56.44 | _newb | Cozminsky: hey? |
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| 10:57.00 | mikunos | yes I know it but it is too big |
| 10:57.00 | _newb | tarzeau: still here? |
| 10:57.02 | Cozminsky | _newb, ho? |
| 10:57.03 | Bridge| | how can i remove last login being displayed, I comment out the line in the pam file but doesnt work, i want the effect of a .hushlogin but i still want the motd |
| 10:57.17 | _newb | Cozminsky: so... don't laugh.... |
| 10:57.38 | ranjan | mikunos, what about openpanel? |
| 10:57.40 | Bushmills | ranjan: fyi, webmin has been removed from debian many years ago, due to the problems with it |
| 10:57.48 | mikunos | I need to install by pxe the debian distro but I'm really confuse |
| 10:57.52 | mikunos | confused |
| 10:57.59 | ranjan | Bushmills, what problems? |
| 10:58.10 | _newb | Cozminsky: run-parts didn't like the file*name* |
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| 10:58.29 | _newb | Cozminsky: uppers, lowers, alphanumeric, but no extensions |
| 10:58.34 | Cozminsky | _newb, it needs to not have an extension |
| 10:58.39 | Bushmills | several. for example, that webmin plugins had to correspond with the version of software they were configuring for, or they's have a tendency to mess up a system |
| 10:58.42 | _newb | Cozminsky: we know that now :( |
| 10:58.47 | ranjan | Hi all debian users, let me ask one thing. Why is debian not beautiful like Ubuntu???? |
| 10:58.57 | mikunos | I have installed the dnsmasq and the tftp-server in a linux server box, but I cannot reach it by the others |
| 10:59.08 | Cozminsky | _newb, ah, I knew that, just didn't think of it |
| 10:59.17 | Bushmills | ranjan: because debian prefers to be usable |
| 10:59.20 | mikunos | I cannot get the dynamic IP in the new server |
| 10:59.26 | _newb | Cozminsky: grr |
| 10:59.28 | _newb | :) |
| 10:59.38 | _newb | i have to remember to tell trebuchet |
| 10:59.39 | mikunos | does anybody help me, please? |
| 10:59.55 | _newb | and tarzeau is in here, so hopefully he heard what the problem was. |
| 11:00.03 | ranjan | Bushmills, and usablity is also better with Ubuntu? Dont you agree that? |
| 11:00.29 | _newb | night, room |
| 11:00.33 | Bushmills | ranjan: from what i hear from those users fed up with ubuntu, i'd have to disagreee |
| 11:01.20 | ranjan | Bushmills, i am sure that someone fedup with ubuntu means he wont even think of using debian. |
| 11:01.32 | Cozminsky | ranjan, just download http://tinyurl.com/4fmg294 and set it as your background image and your debian installation can be more beautiful than the default ubuntu install |
| 11:01.36 | ranjan | Bushmills, he will directly go to Windows. |
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| 11:02.07 | verac | ranjan: seems as if you think that the things that make them fed up about ubuntu is the ones that comes from debian |
| 11:02.14 | michelem | hello folks |
| 11:02.47 | verac | it would probably give a clearer picture asking the ones fed up about what they think is bad about ubuntu |
| 11:02.49 | ranjan | Cozminsky, OMG , whats this!:) |
| 11:03.00 | Bushmills | look at graphs which show the time people use a distribution, you'll find that ubuntu is more popular with those who have little linux exposure, and the user numbers drop the more experience one has. with debian, it is the other way around. |
| 11:03.19 | mikunos | any help? |
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| 11:03.29 | Cozminsky | ranjan, it's the king of the cosmos |
| 11:03.37 | Bushmills | translated, ubuntu seem to habe a larger user base migrating away, and debian a larger base migrating to |
| 11:03.57 | mikunos | how have I use a pxe installation? |
| 11:04.00 | ranjan | Cozminsky, verac even if we try to apply latest themes its ugly. |
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| 11:04.16 | michelem | since I have some messages from apt-get install about LC_ALL, I'm considering setting the locale. If I run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" as per wiki, however, I get "/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is not installed" |
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| 11:04.29 | verac | ranjan: so? |
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| 11:04.32 | Cozminsky | ranjan, I find gnome to be ugly in general, on ubuntu, debian, ... |
| 11:04.35 | ksk | michelem: so install locales |
| 11:04.35 | michelem | what I am missing there? It's an arm machine |
| 11:04.38 | Talon_ | im waiting on squeeze to hit stable then im switching from ubuntu.. ubuntu is just too bloated for me, the testing version of squeeze i have on my laptop has 1/2 the background processes as ubuntu 10.04 |
| 11:04.44 | michelem | ksk: there's no "locales" package |
| 11:04.50 | ranjan | verac, the experienced users migrating away from ubuntu has some other reason. |
| 11:04.52 | ksk | there is |
| 11:04.56 | ksk | michelem: there is |
| 11:04.59 | verac | ranjan: usability |
| 11:05.08 | ranjan | verac, absolutely no.! |
| 11:05.12 | Trewas | Bushmills: actually I know lots of experienced linux users who have gone from debian to ubuntu, mainly because of laziness (just because you know how to configure debian does not mean you want to) |
| 11:05.18 | ksk | !package locales |
| 11:05.21 | ksk | no? :( |
| 11:05.24 | Bushmills | ranjan: you can also find that in the tendency of newish users looking for "beauty", and more seasoned ones for usability and reliability |
| 11:05.28 | michelem | Err http://ftp.debian.org lenny/main locales 2.7-18lenny4 |
| 11:05.28 | michelem | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:05.49 | ranjan | verac, its because people who learn to walk with linux will start feeling that they are something big. and they wont like to play with childish stuff like ubuntu. |
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| 11:06.00 | ksk | michelem: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/locales |
| 11:06.03 | ranjan | verac, that means they dont want the things to be easy |
| 11:06.11 | frikinz | Trewas: I did this because someone had a laptop using ubuntu. I was lazy. then discovering the exact same upstream version doesn't work in ubuntu while it does in debian and a lot of choices made by ubuntu made me come back |
| 11:06.28 | Creatura85 | ranjan: are you against ubuntu ? |
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| 11:06.40 | ranjan | Creatura85, no not at all :) why? |
| 11:06.42 | ksk | michelem: try using another server (edit sources.list) |
| 11:06.47 | Creatura85 | ranjan: just asking :) |
| 11:06.51 | ranjan | Creatura85, i am not against debian tooo :) |
| 11:07.15 | ranjan | Creatura85, but, i feel debain ugly in look than ubuntu. |
| 11:07.36 | Creatura85 | i don`t use ubuntu, untill 3 weeks ago i was using open suse |
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| 11:07.57 | Creatura85 | debian uses the bare bones of a DE if you ask me |
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| 11:08.04 | Cozminsky | ranjan, ubuntu is fine for the most part, I didn't like it the one time I used it because too much stuff slipped through their qa, debian is also fine and I don't find it particularly ugly as a kde user |
| 11:08.09 | ranjan | Bushmills, is depending more on console the mark of usability?? |
| 11:08.12 | Creatura85 | so, you, the user can give the shape you want |
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| 11:08.56 | Creatura85 | i don`t like ubuntu ranjan, but i dont hate it either, each one user can make a choice regarding a linux distro :) |
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| 11:09.08 | Bushmills | ranjan: if "not willing to set up a GUI to be graphically more appealing to the use" means for you "depending on console", then probably, yes |
| 11:09.14 | Bushmills | user |
| 11:09.47 | ranjan | Creatura85, what you said is correct.we can customise the DE , but even when we start applying the latest themes like equinox and stuffs like that, it wont show up a perfect blend |
| 11:09.51 | verac | ranjan: i don't like things to be easy either |
| 11:09.54 | Bushmills | you know, there is more than the defaults you get when installing a package |
| 11:10.06 | ranjan | verac, yes this is the problem with linux users :) |
| 11:10.16 | verac | ranjan: i don't see that as a problem at all |
| 11:10.28 | Creatura85 | ranjan: i dont customize my DE pretty much :) |
| 11:10.34 | ranjan | verac, they consider themselves as superior linux users only if they know to use console. and when things are tough. |
| 11:10.38 | petemc | ranjan: if you prefer ubuntu, why dont you use it? |
| 11:10.46 | Cozminsky | ranjan, I think the most interesting distribution out there at the moment is gobolinux |
| 11:10.49 | ranjan | petemc, i am using it :) |
| 11:10.56 | petemc | so why are you here? |
| 11:10.58 | Bushmills | ranjan: now you're starting to troll with crazy accusations |
| 11:11.11 | Bushmills | you must be a ubuntu weenie troll :P |
| 11:11.17 | verac | ranjan: you're talking about arrogant jerks which can be applied to any field of expertise |
| 11:11.32 | ranjan | verac, :) |
| 11:11.33 | mikunos | ? |
| 11:11.38 | mikunos | any suggestion? |
| 11:11.41 | frikinz | michelem: your cache is not up to date. apt-get update |
| 11:11.56 | ranjan | Bushmills, :) |
| 11:12.37 | Creatura85 | in the last few days i have discovered that gnome is more usefull to me than kde (no offence here) |
| 11:12.41 | Creatura85 | :P |
| 11:12.42 | ranjan | Bushmills, verac , penrod , Creatura85 my intention is to only say that some thing should be done to the default gnome of debian. |
| 11:12.45 | Creatura85 | just to be offtopic |
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| 11:13.08 | Creatura85 | ranjan: maybe or maybe not :) |
| 11:13.19 | Creatura85 | only the developers can says this |
| 11:13.22 | Bushmills | ranjan: maybe some like it better that way |
| 11:13.29 | verac | ranjan: my point to you is that using a difficult system is about learning. if we all wanted easy, we wouldn't be using technology at all |
| 11:13.40 | Creatura85 | but after me is good the way it is, debian is debian and ubuntu is ubuntu :) |
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| 11:14.02 | Cozminsky | Creatura85, it definitely seems that kde is a second class citizen in some respects since fedora, ubuntu and a few other distros use it as their default desktop manager |
| 11:14.29 | Creatura85 | Cozminsky: meaning what |
| 11:14.31 | Creatura85 | ? |
| 11:14.32 | Creatura85 | :) |
| 11:14.43 | Creatura85 | i used kde for 5 years form 3.5.10 to 4.4.4 :) |
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| 11:14.46 | ranjan | verac, yes, you can learn. but we cant demand everyone to be a linux geek isnt it? |
| 11:14.55 | verac | ranjan: therefore ubuntu |
| 11:15.00 | Creatura85 | for me needs gnome is much better for me than kde |
| 11:15.10 | ranjan | verac, yes :) |
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| 11:15.39 | ranjan | verac, even debian can be. but should improve a lot for newbies . :) |
| 11:15.52 | verac | i think it should stay the way it is |
| 11:15.57 | Creatura85 | does anyone have issues with sysinfo under debian squeeze ? under the tab storage my hdd`s don appear :) |
| 11:15.59 | Cozminsky | Creatura85, pulseaudio mixers, svn from commandline tries gnome-keyring before kde wallet by default, a few little things like that |
| 11:16.11 | ranjan | someone was saying about Gobolinux?? what the speciality of it? |
| 11:16.29 | Creatura85 | Cozminsky: i see :) well thats why these DE`s are different |
| 11:17.18 | Creatura85 | Cozminsky: what can you say about my issue with sysinfo ? |
| 11:17.21 | Cozminsky | ranjan, gobolinux is a source based distribution that uses the filesystem as a package manager by putting applications and libraries under /Packages/category/version/package |
| 11:17.30 | Bushmills | ranjan: so you also have a debian question? |
| 11:17.33 | Bushmills | do ... |
| 11:17.46 | Cozminsky | ranjan, and then symlinking the active version to /bin/ /usr/bin/,etc |
| 11:17.55 | ranjan | Bushmills, yes, release date of Squeeze :) |
| 11:18.01 | babilen | ranjan: tomorrow |
| 11:18.03 | Bushmills | earlier than 2015 |
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| 11:18.11 | Creatura85 | :) |
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| 11:18.16 | ranjan | Cozminsky, thats great |
| 11:18.29 | petemc | ranjan: see the topic for release date of squeeze |
| 11:18.35 | ranjan | Bushmills, thats great, funny :) but is it really tomorrow? |
| 11:18.44 | Bushmills | ask again tomorrow |
| 11:19.02 | ranjan | Bushmills, thats great !! :) |
| 11:19.08 | ranjan | its tomorrow or day after :) |
| 11:19.10 | Creatura85 | ranjan: 5 or 6 :) |
| 11:19.19 | ranjan | Creatura85, yea :) |
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| 11:19.29 | ranjan | heard that it ships with a libre kernel? |
| 11:19.33 | verac | fantastic people are fantastic |
| 11:19.36 | Creatura85 | you heard well |
| 11:19.45 | akkark | http://news.debian.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/squeeze_countdown.png |
| 11:19.52 | Creatura85 | the firmware is still available in the non-free repo |
| 11:19.54 | Cozminsky | which dns server should I use? I think I have a shootout between nsd3 and bind9 |
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| 11:19.57 | ranjan | Creatura85, then how about my nvidia!! :( |
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| 11:20.16 | Bushmills | Cozminsky: master, slave or single auth server? |
| 11:20.17 | iqpi | Creatura85: what was that problem? |
| 11:20.18 | Creatura85 | ranjan: 13:19 <Creatura85> the firmware is still available in the non-free repo (bis) |
| 11:20.32 | ranjan | Creatura85, ok |
| 11:20.41 | Creatura85 | iqpi: my hdd` dont appear in sysinfo under the tab storage |
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| 11:20.52 | Creatura85 | *hdd`s |
| 11:21.08 | iqpi | hdd = hard disks? |
| 11:21.17 | Creatura85 | yes |
| 11:21.25 | Cozminsky | Bushmills, I'd be running both the master and a backup, I'd prefer to not have to configure axfr for each domain |
| 11:21.34 | Creatura85 | phpsysinfo has the same issue |
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| 11:22.25 | Bushmills | Cozminsky: you'll be having hosts with dynamic addresses? |
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| 11:22.45 | iqpi | and do they appear when you you do ls /dev/sd* ? |
| 11:23.03 | Cozminsky | Bushmills, I did want to set up dynamic updates from dhcp for my ipv6 reverse |
| 11:23.36 | Bushmills | will the name server also have to recurse, or will it be auth-only? |
| 11:23.42 | Cozminsky | Bushmills, it's only for my own house and some vanity domains for me an my friends |
| 11:24.00 | Cozminsky | Bushmills, I'm already running unbound as a caching resolver |
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| 11:24.30 | Cozminsky | Bushmills, I don't wish to blur the functions, but I will want views for ipv4 behind nat |
| 11:24.36 | Bushmills | then either should do. nsd is much lighter than bind, but you'll find more docs about bind |
| 11:24.51 | Bushmills | i'd probably go for bind then |
| 11:25.05 | Creatura85 | iqpi: they appear there |
| 11:25.13 | Creatura85 | but not in sysinfo |
| 11:25.53 | Bushmills | if it wasn't for the ddns, i'd had added maradns to the list |
| 11:25.54 | Cozminsky | Bushmills, I'm currently running tinydns, but I couldn't get ipv6 working properly, I was toying with using that an phreebird for dnssec signing |
| 11:26.08 | Cozminsky | and the lack of dynamic update |
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| 11:27.00 | Cozminsky | Bushmills, I'm familiar with bind from work, that's why I'm trying to avoid it |
| 11:27.32 | Bushmills | well, nsd is a drop-in replacement |
| 11:27.42 | Bushmills | but auth-only |
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| 11:28.27 | Cozminsky | Bushmills, which I like about it, but if you set recursion no in bind it's almost the same result |
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| 11:28.51 | Bushmills | that's what the "auth-only" means |
| 11:28.59 | Cozminsky | aye |
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| 11:29.29 | Creatura85 | iqpi: is there a way to solve this? any ideeas ? :) |
| 11:29.46 | Cozminsky | wish I could get something modern that acted like tinydns without the bugs on cname and the other features it's missing like dynamic update |
| 11:30.11 | Bushmills | some people advocate powerdns |
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| 11:30.23 | Bushmills | i find its memory footprint too big |
| 11:30.32 | iqpi | I am investigating about thar Creatura85, but i am not sysinfo user, neither debian user, so i don't know if it could be something about configuration files, or it could be a bug |
| 11:30.33 | petemc | i use bind everywhere |
| 11:30.47 | Creatura85 | iqpi: is suspect a bug as well |
| 11:30.57 | Cozminsky | yeah I've been on #powerdns for the last few days, it also almost fits |
| 11:30.59 | Creatura85 | what distro do you user ? |
| 11:31.03 | Creatura85 | *use |
| 11:31.10 | iqpi | archlinux |
| 11:31.36 | iqpi | have you tried hdparm? |
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| 11:32.31 | Creatura85 | i what way ? |
| 11:32.49 | Creatura85 | give a command i could try |
| 11:32.56 | Creatura85 | hdparm was installed by debian |
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| 11:34.47 | iqpi | one question Creatura85 what information do you spect to be shown by sysinfo about hard disk, just for information, i don't really know what kind of information does this program show |
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| 11:35.13 | Creatura85 | iqpi: show information about hadrware components |
| 11:35.20 | Creatura85 | hdd`s, gpu, procesor |
| 11:35.26 | Creatura85 | processors |
| 11:35.31 | mikunos | I am coming crazy! |
| 11:35.38 | iqpi | then execute this to have whole hd information |
| 11:35.45 | mikunos | how have I set the dnsmasq? |
| 11:36.03 | mikunos | I have followed many tutorials but without success |
| 11:36.06 | Creatura85 | iqpi: http://sourceforge.net/projects/gsysinfo/ |
| 11:36.29 | mikunos | the external servers doesn't recognize the dhcp service |
| 11:36.37 | mikunos | at the pxe boot |
| 11:36.46 | Creatura85 | iqpi: give me the command to execute |
| 11:36.51 | Bushmills | "external servers"? a gateway between? |
| 11:37.08 | iqpi | hdpar -i /dev/device |
| 11:37.13 | iqpi | hdparm* |
| 11:37.18 | iqpi | as root |
| 11:37.30 | mikunos | Bushmills hi |
| 11:37.52 | mikunos | Bushmills, yes the other empty servers |
| 11:37.58 | mikunos | I have spent one night |
| 11:38.08 | mikunos | in order to configure them |
| 11:38.09 | Creatura85 | iqpi: it works and show info`s about the hdd |
| 11:38.09 | Bushmills | dhcp is layer 2 traffic. not routable |
| 11:38.22 | Creatura85 | sysinfo must have a bug in it |
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| 11:38.41 | mikunos | Bushmills, look this: http://pastie.org/1527590 |
| 11:38.50 | Creatura85 | want me to paste the content iqpi ? |
| 11:38.52 | iqpi | and if you want a bench the hard disk, execute hdparm -t /dev/device i will show you transfer data rate |
| 11:38.54 | mikunos | this is my configuration |
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| 11:39.06 | iqpi | ok |
| 11:39.13 | Cozminsky | if you want to have dhcp over multiple broadcast networks then you need to have dhcprelay of some kind |
| 11:39.21 | Bushmills | mikunos: looking at that won't make dhcp routable |
| 11:39.25 | Cozminsky | broadcast domains |
| 11:39.38 | mikunos | I don't understand |
| 11:39.44 | Creatura85 | iqpi: works as well |
| 11:39.48 | Creatura85 | weird ... |
| 11:39.48 | mikunos | why not |
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| 11:40.04 | Bushmills | because the request is a broadcast |
| 11:40.20 | iqpi | well, then compare the results you get, with the official ones (see your manufacturer HD company) |
| 11:40.39 | iqpi | if everything is ok, then sysinfo has somekind of bug |
| 11:40.39 | Bushmills | were it to cross gateways, you'd send dhcp request to every fuzzy dhcp server in the world |
| 11:40.40 | mikunos | but the request is sent to the eth1 of the first server |
| 11:40.46 | Cozminsky | mikunos, if you want to have it go over multiple broadcast realms you need a dhcprelay in each subnet |
| 11:41.03 | Creatura85 | iqpi: must be |
| 11:41.11 | Creatura85 | thanks for the commands |
| 11:41.12 | iqpi | =) |
| 11:41.24 | iqpi | you are wellcome =) |
| 11:41.40 | mikunos | Cozminsky, thanks but have I set something in the other servers? |
| 11:42.04 | mikunos | I need to install Debian into these new boxes by PXE |
| 11:42.20 | mikunos | It's very hard to me |
| 11:42.24 | mikunos | :( |
| 11:43.20 | mikunos | In the Server A I have installed dnsmasq and configure it |
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| 11:43.53 | mikunos | but the servers B, C, D doesn't see any DHCP service at the PXE Boot |
| 11:44.27 | mikunos | so you think that the problem is the broadcast query? Cozminsky |
| 11:44.40 | Bushmills | you can set up a bridge on the gateway |
| 11:45.00 | Bushmills | provided that subnets don't collide |
| 11:45.48 | mikunos | Bushmills may you help me to do it? |
| 11:46.03 | Bushmills | not really, i prefer to point you to documentation |
| 11:46.25 | mikunos | ok |
| 11:47.21 | Bushmills | or, run dnsmasq on the same network segment as the servers you want to pxe boot. |
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| 11:48.42 | mikunos | Bushmills it is in the same network segment |
| 11:48.57 | Bushmills | no, it isn't, with that gateway in between |
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| 11:49.15 | mikunos | which gateway? |
| 11:49.27 | Bushmills | the one you affirmed when being asked |
| 11:49.45 | mikunos | http://pastie.org/1527590 |
| 11:49.51 | mikunos | is it written here? |
| 11:50.07 | Bushmills | (12:36:51) Bushmills: "external servers"? a gateway between? |
| 11:50.08 | Bushmills | (12:37:52) mikunos: Bushmills, yes the other empty servers |
| 11:50.29 | mikunos | I meant that the servers are connected by switch |
| 11:50.52 | Bushmills | switch != gateway |
| 11:51.04 | mikunos | and the switch is connected to the eth1 of the dnsmasq service |
| 11:51.08 | mikunos | my fault |
| 11:51.13 | mikunos | I'm so tired |
| 11:51.19 | mikunos | sorry |
| 11:51.26 | Bushmills | then sleep, and try again tomorrow |
| 11:51.33 | mikunos | I cannot |
| 11:51.45 | mikunos | tomorrow I have to show it to my boss |
| 11:52.04 | mikunos | :8 |
| 11:52.08 | mikunos | :( |
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| 11:52.50 | Bushmills | working on such setups doesn't go very well when tired |
| 11:53.15 | mikunos | I need only that the servers get the dhcp settings |
| 11:53.21 | mikunos | then I can go to sleep |
| 11:53.38 | mikunos | anyway thanks |
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| 12:05.25 | d0cipx | so yea this one time at udev camp |
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| 12:08.54 | Cozminsky | An IPv4 address space walks into a bar: "A strong CIDR please. I'm exhausted." |
| 12:09.51 | d0cipx | http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/dec/essay.network.layers.html |
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| 12:20.45 | epsilon | An IPv6 address space walks into a bar. He ordered a drink, but no one understood him |
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| 12:22.01 | Cozminsky | is there a more witty component to ipv6 addresses than dead:beef? |
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| 12:22.32 | Commander1024 | boob:babe |
| 12:22.36 | Commander1024 | b00b:babe |
| 12:22.47 | sysdef | he just thought no one understood him. there was just a IPv4 router between him and the bar keeper |
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| 12:24.39 | Cozminsky | man, I'm up late, and I decided not to go out to a gig because I was tired and hungover |
| 12:24.52 | daemonkeeper | Oh, day of bad IPv6 jokes today? |
| 12:25.17 | Commander1024 | jup the ipv4 jokes are actually low on ressources |
| 12:25.21 | daemonkeeper | I have another one. "A strong CIDR please. I'm exhausted". |
| 12:25.37 | Cozminsky | that's what started this whole thing |
| 12:25.40 | Commander1024 | ^^ |
| 12:26.15 | Cozminsky | well actually it was d0cipx with his: so yea this one time at udev camp |
| 12:26.41 | daemonkeeper | *sniff* Gonna miss IPv4 |
| 12:27.03 | Cozminsky | daemonkeeper: it's not going away for at least the next 10 years |
| 12:27.12 | daemonkeeper | I know |
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| 12:36.28 | d0cipx | i'm going to miss having a computer |
| 12:36.45 | d0cipx | you guys know that we're all going back to dummy terminals right? |
| 12:37.07 | Bushmills | has an abacus on his key ring |
| 12:37.14 | d0cipx | with this whole "cloud concept" and "internet storage space" |
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| 12:39.03 | Bushmills | http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/keys.png <- proof :) |
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| 12:40.18 | jelly | Bushmills: the proof is not in the pudding so it does not count |
| 12:40.55 | Bushmills | i refuse to throw my key into pudding |
| 12:41.25 | d0cipx | the proof is in whose pudding? |
| 12:42.25 | Bushmills | and what flavour would that pudding be? |
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| 12:44.24 | d0cipx | ./configure --pudding-with-flavor=vanilla |
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| 12:46.16 | Juozapas | is 1GB flash disk is enough for debian's net install, fluxbox and that kind of stuff ? |
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| 12:46.32 | Bushmills | yes, it is. |
| 12:47.15 | daemonkeeper | Depends on "kind of stuff" obviously. |
| 12:47.27 | quuxman | Is there a bash variable that means "last argument given"? |
| 12:47.30 | Juozapas | for sure |
| 12:47.45 | quuxman | $N, where N is number of arguments... |
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| 12:48.25 | Bushmills | quuxman: try echo ${*: -1} |
| 12:48.45 | Juozapas | ok how much space debian install takes just with network and without gui ? |
| 12:48.57 | quuxman | Bushmills: hm... how about ${$#} ? |
| 12:48.59 | Juozapas | net install* |
| 12:49.03 | daemonkeeper | Few hundred MB |
| 12:49.14 | abrotman | Juozapas: 500MB should be enough for GUI-less install |
| 12:49.14 | Bushmills | quuxman: he wanted last argument, not number of arguments |
| 12:49.54 | Bushmills | Juozapas: about 100 packages, say, 200 miB |
| 12:49.57 | Bushmills | MiB |
| 12:50.07 | Juozapas | k th |
| 12:50.07 | Juozapas | x |
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| 12:50.28 | Bushmills | give and take 50 |
| 12:51.59 | abrotman | or apparently 800MB? wtf do i have installed on this box |
| 12:52.56 | daemonkeeper | A Lenny baseinstall needs 290 M(i)B. Don't know about Squeeze |
| 12:53.01 | quuxman | Bushmills: I would expect something like ${${#}} to work, but it doesn't, $# being number of arguments, and $N being the Nth argument |
| 12:53.02 | Bushmills | abrotman: try a debootstrap, then add kernel and boot loader. |
| 12:53.22 | Bushmills | quuxman: what's wrong with the solution i gave you? |
| 12:53.26 | abrotman | Bushmills: it was a lenny->squeeze base install .. i'm looking now .. 500MB should be about right |
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| 12:53.53 | Bushmills | i mean, fine, if you expect something else to work too, then use that if that suits you better, of course. |
| 12:54.49 | Bushmills | you asked for "last argument" ... where the "where N is number of arguments" comes from i don't know - there is no "N" in "last argument" |
| 12:54.56 | abrotman | Bushmills: i have ~pstandard installed also |
| 12:55.30 | quuxman | Bushmills: I was just curious... Thanks for your syntax that did actually work |
| 12:55.33 | Bushmills | could just say "last argument, where red is colour of mailbox" |
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| 12:56.00 | quuxman | Not sure if I'll ever understand the nitty-gritty of bash parameter expansion |
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| 12:56.57 | quuxman | Here's another one... how do I get the dirname of a variable, but if there's no '/' in the variable, the variable itself, instead of "." |
| 12:57.11 | quuxman | without a silly if statement? |
| 12:57.25 | abrotman | there is a #bash |
| 12:57.37 | quuxman | abrotman: point. /me leaves |
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| 12:58.03 | abrotman | i just meant it might be a better place to ask |
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| 12:59.27 | Bushmills | something like echo "${var%%/*}" ? |
| 12:59.40 | quuxman | Bushmills: lol |
| 13:00.11 | Bushmills | or more like echo "${var##*/}" |
| 13:01.49 | iceroot | what ways i have with a script to test if /foo/bar is a diversion? grep the output of dpkg-divert --list and deal with the result? or is there another way to test it? |
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| 13:02.57 | pai | Did Ian Murdock marry Debra? |
| 13:03.52 | guest | who are them? |
| 13:04.44 | Argafal | Hi, I got a question regarding suspend. I do NOT have a swap parition. I want to suspend my system (not hibernate), hence put it in sleep mode while recycling the memory contents. Nothing for that is installed and I see that people usually use uswsusp for that reason. However THAT wants a swap parition. I'm confused why that would be and what I should use alternatively. |
| 13:04.57 | pai | guest, Debian is named after them |
| 13:05.40 | Bushmills | no. s2ram doesn't need swap |
| 13:05.50 | Bushmills | s2disk or s2both does |
| 13:06.24 | Bushmills | there's also acpitool -s |
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| 13:07.04 | moulip | marduk1 |
| 13:07.41 | d0cipx | i thought debian was named after toy story |
| 13:07.42 | d0cipx | =] |
| 13:08.05 | d0cipx | sid, woody, etch, lenny |
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| 13:08.17 | Bushmills | (acpitool suspended system does, AFAIK, not execute the /etc/pm scripts - those may be handy to reload or restart services after resume) |
| 13:09.47 | chachan | d0cipx, those are realese names |
| 13:10.02 | Bushmills | real easy names, right |
| 13:10.03 | Cozminsky | Ian Murdoch was instrumental in starting the project and he was going out with Debra Lynn, Deb & Ian became Debian |
| 13:10.27 | chachan | [Deb]ra-[Ian] |
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| 13:11.19 | cirdan | morning all. can anyone help me get rid of the damn amavis/clamav permission errors for the socket that clog my syslog? |
| 13:11.26 | cirdan | tried just about everything |
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| 13:11.35 | abrotman | pai: they were married, no longer |
| 13:12.35 | pai | oh |
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| 13:20.38 | d0cipx | dpkg --purge clamav |
| 13:20.39 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up clamav all over d0cipx and sejo... |
| 13:20.59 | d0cipx | clamav is full of bugs and 0day for the masses |
| 13:21.09 | d0cipx | you're better off w/o it |
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| 13:21.21 | abrotman | d0cipx: do you need help? |
| 13:21.24 | dkr | that's what the virus-writers want you to think |
| 13:21.29 | d0cipx | yes |
| 13:21.41 | abrotman | at this point, you're just being annoying |
| 13:21.57 | d0cipx | well i was waiting for someone to answer my question |
| 13:22.06 | dkr | cirdan: the exact error message might help |
| 13:22.20 | d0cipx | earlier they told me that if no one could help me wait a while and ask again when others are on |
| 13:22.33 | abrotman | ask again .. not be annoying |
| 13:22.45 | dkr | <d0cipx> the proof is in whose pudding? |
| 13:22.49 | dkr | Bill Cosby's |
| 13:22.57 | dkr | there, now you have been answered |
| 13:23.39 | d0cipx | so i am using mdadm software raid, between power outages and drives failing i have managed to use a rescue cd to rebuild the arrays, the problem is the system wont boot |
| 13:23.56 | d0cipx | grub pops up and i select the kernel i want to load and nothing happens |
| 13:24.51 | abrotman | is that a question? |
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| 13:25.27 | d0cipx | i've been doing research for the last 4 days trying to understand how it all works, i'm showing differnet uuid's listed in /dev/disk/by-uuid than in mdadm.conf |
| 13:25.37 | d0cipx | but blkid command shows all the uuid's |
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| 13:26.08 | d0cipx | my first question is: why are the uuid's different from mdadm.conf than what is listed in /dev/disks/by-uuid |
| 13:26.30 | abrotman | i'd go with the ones in /dev/ myself? |
| 13:26.46 | d0cipx | second question is: from grub, root= is supposed to have which uuid? the one in /dev/disks/by-uuid or the one in mdadm.conf |
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| 13:27.00 | d0cipx | the third question is: what am i doing wrong for the system not to boot |
| 13:27.11 | cire | I am working for customers (doing administrative work) and want to improve the communication. I thought for some kind of bug tracking system, in which customers can send an issue (e.g. "computer X is slow", "openoffice is not installed at computer Z", and so on). They should also be able to specify the severity of the problem ("system immanent", "should be done", "improvement", ...). I know that for software development, there exist lots of these tools. But those |
| 13:27.12 | cire | often have functionalities (e.g. assigning problems to a certain dev or department, referrences to the sourcecode, etc.) which I do not want, since this would bloat the whole thing too much. Do you have a hint for a software which fits my needs without being too complicate for customers? |
| 13:27.33 | d0cipx | i have tried both uuid's and neither has worked in booting the system |
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| 13:31.01 | CyberDomovoy | hi |
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| 13:31.33 | CyberDomovoy | i sthere any url where i can get the mirror list in text format? |
| 13:31.51 | cirdan | dkr: ClamAV-clamd: Can't connect to UNIX socket /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl: Permission denied, retrying |
| 13:33.29 | abrotman | CyberDomovoy: did you look on a mirror? |
| 13:33.56 | abrotman | CyberDomovoy: http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt .. for instance |
| 13:34.00 | cirdan | dkr: i even purged all related packages and reinsalled, and added amavis to the clamav group. permissions are srw-rw-rw- 1 clamav clamav 0 Feb 3 18:12 /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl |
| 13:34.28 | CyberDomovoy | abrotman: great, thanks |
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| 13:38.57 | d0cipx | cirdan did you look at: http://www200.pair.com/mecham/spam/clamav-amavisd-new.html |
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| 13:39.21 | dkr | cirdan: verify that amavisd got the change to group and is running with that gid? ps -O gid -C amavisd |
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| 16:00.02 | stew | jlt: anything in dmesg about either? |
| 16:00.15 | nvz | karlpinc: it worked, trust me.. pressing F2 at the toshiba screen used to report Version 1.50, now its 1.90 |
| 16:00.22 | karlpinc | nvz: What happens when you call Toshiba? (Tell them you're trying to install MS if you must. Especially if you've a cd or something.) |
| 16:00.50 | nvz | karlpinc: we did that too.. eventually the guy wanted us to pay $35/hr cause its out of warrenty |
| 16:00.50 | karlpinc | nvz: Just because it worked does not mean it's the right bios for the box. (Just saying.) |
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| 16:01.03 | nvz | karlpinc: noted |
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| 16:01.54 | nvz | karlpinc: I was thinking its some kinda IML like IBMs used to have, but doesnt seem to be the case as it was running a live distro from USB without the HDD |
| 16:02.04 | karlpinc | nvz: Is it possible to dump the bios and compare it to the original? (Could there be a bad bit in there?) |
| 16:02.16 | jlt | stew: it has detected the discs during startup and md is using them |
| 16:02.32 | nvz | karlpinc: back story is the HDD was running vista/debian dual boot and windows died first, then the whole HDD died and I brought him a new one.. |
| 16:03.10 | karlpinc | nvz: IML? |
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| 16:04.15 | nvz | karlpinc: initial mirocode load.. like how old IBMs could not access bios without a floppy.. and newer ones had to have the "tattooed" HDD. The BIOS itself can only do basic shit, the rest is in a mirocode rom often stored elsewhere |
| 16:04.22 | karlpinc | nvz: You've blown it out? |
| 16:04.29 | neoice | suppose one has hosed their system, whats the easiest way to reinstall a subset of packages? |
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| 16:04.41 | nvz | karlpinc: blown what? |
| 16:04.49 | karlpinc | nvz: With air. |
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| 16:05.32 | nvz | karlpinc: we've ripped it totally apart.. I've hooked just an external monitor, 1 stick of ram..etc with the shit sitting out on the table.. cleaned it all off, all that shit |
| 16:05.37 | karlpinc | neoice: Run the installer and install the most minimal system? |
| 16:06.05 | jhutchins_lt | nvz: Toshiba System Recovery Disk - but that won't help if it won't boot. |
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| 16:06.33 | karlpinc | nvz: If you pixeboot the installer and get rescue mode things work? No diagnostic issues? |
| 16:06.45 | Eysyss | http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://otokiralamaerzurum.com/&ct=ga&cad=CAcQAhgAIAEoATAAOABAvdCi6gRIA1gAYgV0ci1VUw&cd=NBAX3YRKjZU&usg=AFQjCNG4GD81JX6FqDTOkdRX0GsqVhIfWg Sex Sex Sex |
| 16:06.48 | nvz | jhutchins_lt: yeah basically if I can't do what I'm trying to do with PXE, it ain't happening. I figure the only reason I can PXE is because it has its own BIOS |
| 16:06.50 | jhutchins_lt | nvz: Sounds like you should test the "failed" hard drive on a different system. |
| 16:07.23 | nvz | jhutchins_lt: yeah we didn't ever try that, but the only other SATA system I have is my netbook which is intel atom, and both OSes on that drive are 64bit |
| 16:07.43 | karlpinc | nvz: You could do badblock -r. |
| 16:07.50 | karlpinc | nvz: badblocks |
| 16:08.00 | nvz | karlpinc: I completely netinstalled Lenny to the new HDD I put in there via PXE |
| 16:08.08 | jhutchins_lt | I don't think he's getting anywhere until the BIOS starts to see drives. |
| 16:08.16 | nvz | karlpinc: just failed to boot like anything else after the install. |
| 16:08.22 | gratnam11 | how do i copy the current line in vi |
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| 16:08.37 | nvz | karlpinc: so that throws out the idea even that the southbridge's IO controller don't work |
| 16:08.42 | jhutchins_lt | I mean, you can PXE boot a whole OS, but it's still not gonna help on a laptop that wants to go somewhere else. |
| 16:08.47 | nvz | karlpinc: it f'n installed debian to the drive with no problems at all |
| 16:08.50 | gratnam11 | common i know you guys know this one |
| 16:08.57 | gratnam11 | i tried yy |
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| 16:09.02 | gratnam11 | doesnt work |
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| 16:09.22 | jhutchins_lt | gratnam11: Yes it does. |
| 16:09.39 | nvz | jhutchins_lt: na but I'd like to do it for now I'm just not sure how.. took me hours to figure out how to PXE boot a BIOS flahs floppy. hah. Its far from the traditional netinst via PXE I am used to |
| 16:09.40 | karlpinc | nvz: Maybe it didn't use "all" the hardware. Like something in the jump tables. |
| 16:10.09 | nvz | karlpinc: yeah well he says when it worked, it showed the POST checking ram and shit after the toshiba screen |
| 16:10.14 | jhutchins_lt | http://www.worldtimzone.com/res/vi.html |
| 16:10.22 | nvz | karlpinc: its almost as though the BIOS no longer posts at all |
| 16:10.57 | nvz | karlpinc: but the flash succeeded twice via PXE and no change.. we got it directly from toshiba for this model |
| 16:10.58 | karlpinc | nvz: Maybe it wants something stupid like a keyboard and won't boot without? |
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| 16:11.23 | gratnam11 | okey i lied |
| 16:11.26 | gratnam11 | sorry |
| 16:11.39 | gratnam11 | thanks guys |
| 16:11.40 | jhutchins_lt | Maybe if you changed the oil in it's sox? |
| 16:11.53 | gratnam11 | lol |
| 16:11.58 | nvz | karlpinc: idk.. we tried everything. unless it were to have some kind of IML rom that needs to be found on flash or the HDD or somewhere |
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| 16:12.22 | nvz | karlpinc: there is no mention on that though. .and we're spent HOURS googling on two different machines. |
| 16:12.40 | nvz | karlpinc: I know IBM is well known for having done that on many models throughout historey |
| 16:12.58 | nvz | toshiba on the other hand, never heard of it |
| 16:13.20 | nvz | and the image would need to be obtainable from somewhere or you'd never be able to replace a HDD in these |
| 16:13.29 | nvz | and SOMEONE would surely have mentioned that |
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| 16:13.39 | jhutchins_lt | System Restore CD |
| 16:14.07 | jhutchins_lt | Vista laptops have some pretty wierd setups. This Acer had three partitions. |
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| 16:14.15 | nvz | short of running that cd on another box, idk what good it would do |
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| 16:14.44 | nvz | this machine refuses to boot anything but PXE even when its last in the boot order and there are bootable media in everything. |
| 16:14.48 | jhutchins_lt | nvz: Just saying that if it required a keyed hard drive that's how you'd do it. |
| 16:15.00 | jhutchins_lt | nvz: It would have to boot off the CD though, and since it's not doing that... |
| 16:15.08 | jhutchins_lt | nvz: Is the CD internal or external? |
| 16:15.17 | nvz | jhutchins_lt: I suppose.. but I see no evidence really supporting the HDD is keyed. The CD is internal |
| 16:15.40 | nvz | jhutchins_lt: the HDD in it was a Toshiba brand.. but other than that it looks like any SATA to me |
| 16:15.56 | jhutchins_lt | The only off the wall suggestion I can make, besides changing the oil, is to try unetbootin. |
| 16:16.28 | jhutchins_lt | A Vista system that's out of warantee... |
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| 16:16.49 | nvz | jhutchins_lt: yeah unetbootin is how I strapped all the USB drives and SD cards we have.. it won't boot from anything USB either |
| 16:17.02 | nvz | jhutchins_lt: the sd reader in it is apparently USB as well |
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| 16:17.43 | jhutchins_lt | You're not going to get anywhere until you fix that. |
| 16:17.55 | jhutchins_lt | At some point your time drops below minimum wage. |
| 16:19.24 | karlpinc | was hoping nvz would get some good head out of this |
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| 16:19.38 | nvz | jhutchins_lt: hah, yeah.. well it just drives me nuts he's got a roughly 3yr old toshiba, that we can't fix and I'm sitting here on a 10+ yr old IBM ThinkPad T41 that has no screws what so ever in it, that I've serviced every part of |
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| 16:19.43 | nvz | jhutchins_lt: it still runs. heh |
| 16:19.54 | nvz | jhutchins_lt: I guess they just don't make em like they used to |
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| 16:21.19 | jelly | nvz: why are you sitting on it, is it very cold there? |
| 16:21.32 | daemonkeeper | nvz: Thats the difference between a cheap notebook and and an expensive one. For the later you will get parts a decade later (not that you would need much replacement parts) |
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| 16:22.19 | daemonkeeper | On the other hand, I really liked my T42. I have a T61 and those Chinese ruined pretty much everything. |
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| 16:22.48 | jmarsden | jelly: He's demonstrating that the T41 is so well built it will take all his weight? :) |
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| 16:26.40 | sharp15 | are there common or standard locations for finding debian documentation? just searching with google isn't much help anymore. |
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| 16:26.49 | mentor | /usr/share/doc |
| 16:27.00 | mentor | Packages with -doc$ |
| 16:27.17 | sharp15 | i meant for those of us who don't have it installed yet and want to know if debian does what we want.e |
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| 16:27.35 | mentor | Er |
| 16:27.43 | sharp15 | * want. |
| 16:27.47 | mentor | Well, that would greatly depend on what you want |
| 16:27.51 | mentor | There's the install guide |
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| 16:28.17 | sharp15 | well at the moment i'm trying to figure out if debian can handle encrypted root partitions. |
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| 16:28.37 | themill | !ig |
| 16:28.38 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.8) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
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| 16:28.44 | themill | sharp15: ^^ the install guide covers how to do that |
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| 16:29.31 | sharp15 | ok. i'll see if that covers everything else. |
| 16:29.35 | mentor | sharp15: You can make Debian do just about anything |
| 16:30.03 | sharp15 | one other question. any way to tell if squeeze is still on track for the release date in the topic? |
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| 16:30.41 | sharp15 | i don't want to install this and then have to worry about it breaking during an upgrade in a week. |
| 16:30.51 | mentor | er |
| 16:31.12 | akkark | it's stable |
| 16:31.13 | themill | sharp15: nothing much is going to change in squeeze between now and release. Debian is always quite upgradable. |
| 16:31.19 | akkark | (almost) |
| 16:31.28 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Six new updates today. |
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| 16:31.44 | mentor | sharp15: Are you installing a squeeze RC? |
| 16:31.50 | themill | jhutchins_lt: and the same packages were updated in lenny too...with a pile of CVEs attached. |
| 16:31.53 | tonytraductor | I just got a rathe disconcerting message from syslog on my terminal, and I'm kind of clueless&worried about it. |
| 16:31.55 | karlpinc | sharp15: You' |
| 16:32.09 | karlpinc | sharp15: You may also want to see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware |
| 16:32.14 | tonytraductor | shite |
| 16:32.17 | tonytraductor | it's happening again |
| 16:32.24 | tonytraductor | here is the the message http://debian.pastebin.com/qqWa9Vq0 |
| 16:32.35 | mentor | sharp15: Won't you have to upgrade later when squeeze becomes stable anyway? |
| 16:32.38 | sharp15 | themill: i've still had things break and i'm unfamiliar with apt. so i prefer caution where i can. |
| 16:32.50 | mentor | tonytraductor: That's a kernel oops |
| 16:32.54 | karlpinc | sharp15: You could just install squeeze. |
| 16:33.25 | tonytraductor | okay, so...apparently google-chrome is causing it...should I be concerned that google-chrome is causing my kernel to oops? |
| 16:33.36 | tonytraductor | it's telling me I need to reboot. brb |
| 16:33.44 | sharp15 | mentor: i currently have the debian-508-i386-CD-1.iso. i was just going to wait for the squeeze release before installing. |
| 16:33.51 | tonytraductor | but, this is the second time. I already rebooted once today and once yesterday for the same issue |
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| 16:33.56 | tonytraductor | I'll be coming right back |
| 16:34.12 | nogo | squeeze is not released yet? |
| 16:34.22 | karlpinc | sharp15: You'll need a new cd for squeeze. You'll want the netinstall anyway, unless you don't have net access. |
| 16:34.22 | themill | nogo: /topic |
| 16:34.26 | mentor | sharp15: So you just want to know when squeeze will release then? Probably check out the debian-devel and/or -release lits? |
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| 16:34.50 | sharp15 | mentor: s/lits/lists/ correct? |
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| 16:35.05 | mentor | yes |
| 16:35.23 | karlpinc | sharp15: http://news.debian.net/2011/01/22/join-us-in-the-countdown-to-squeeze/ |
| 16:35.37 | karlpinc | sharp15: (Of course that's not offical, but it's easy.) |
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| 16:36.14 | maligor | officially debian is a rather odd idea anyway |
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| 16:36.33 | karlpinc | sharp15: As has been said, not much if anything will change between now and release anyway, so you could go ahead and install with the squeeze rc2 installer. |
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| 16:38.12 | sharp15 | karlpinc: as i said i'm unfamiliar with apt. i can fix that over time but not knowing what i'm doing during the upgrade could cause issues and i don't really want to reinstall on monday because something went wrong. |
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| 16:39.03 | sharp15 | themill, mentor, karlpinc: thank you for the help. |
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| 16:39.12 | karlpinc | sharp15: To upgrade major releases you follow the release notes, which is what you will have to do. There's lots of reading but little to actually do, mostly warnings. But why put yourself through that? |
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| 16:39.28 | themill | sharp15: happy hunting! |
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| 16:39.43 | tonytraductor | okay, I' m back...and not running google-chrome |
| 16:39.44 | karlpinc | sharp15: To bring your system up-to-date with the latest stable once you've installed it's just "aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade" |
| 16:40.02 | nogo | will you support webm? |
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| 16:40.22 | tonytraductor | oh, and Sunday is my birthday. I expect Squeeze wrapped with a pretty bow on that day. ok |
| 16:40.47 | tonytraductor | but back to my issue...apparently google-chrome is causing my kernel to oops? |
| 16:41.03 | tonytraductor | I' ve gotten several such errors now, but I pasted on here: |
| 16:41.06 | tonytraductor | http://debian.pastebin.com/qqWa9Vq0 |
| 16:41.23 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: show webm |
| 16:41.23 | dpkg | jhutchins_lt: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 16:41.44 | sharp15 | karlpinc: i'm not putting myself through it. i asked so i could wait until after the release to install if the release was on track. I'm just concerned about that command not working as expected and don't want to have to clean it up if i can avoid it. |
| 16:41.56 | tonytraductor | so, the question(s) I have is/are: How serious is this kernel oopsing? how can I diagnose/resolve it (already seems that chrome is at cause, but why? what to do?) |
| 16:42.12 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: Which kerne is it? |
| 16:42.15 | nogo | ldd? |
| 16:42.23 | tonytraductor | I'll go google google-chrome kernel oops debian or something, but in the meantime your input is appreciated |
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| 16:42.34 | karlpinc | sharp15: Ok. (You will need a new cd -- get the netinstall.) |
| 16:42.37 | tonytraductor | uname -r 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 16:42.39 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: Which kerne is it? |
| 16:42.43 | tonytraductor | 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 16:42.49 | jhutchins_lt | Thanks, lag. |
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| 16:42.57 | karlpinc | sharp15: s/new/squeeze/ |
| 16:43.13 | jhutchins_lt | Try the 32 from backports, see if it behaves differently, |
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| 16:43.43 | sharp15 | karlpinc: understood. thank you. |
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| 16:43.55 | cpatrick08 | try the liquorix kernel to see if it works better http://liquorix.net/ |
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| 16:44.11 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: You might also want to run a memtest |
| 16:44.20 | tonytraductor | I found a similar issue here: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=35440 |
| 16:44.37 | tonytraductor | goig to go google "run a memtest debian" now |
| 16:44.44 | cpatrick08 | tonytraductor: try the liquorix kernel to see if it works better http://liquorix.net/ |
| 16:45.20 | karlpinc | tonytraductor: install memtest, reboot, choose it from the menu |
| 16:45.23 | jhutchins_lt | cpatrick08: We can't support the liquorix kernel here, we can support the backport. |
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| 16:45.44 | cpatrick08 | ok |
| 16:45.45 | stew | cpatrick08: does the liquorix kernel contain bugfixes not in the debian kernel? |
| 16:46.19 | tonytraductor | editin sources.list |
| 16:46.31 | cpatrick08 | Liquorix Kernel Liquorix is a distro kernel replacement built using the best configuration and kernel sources for desktop, multimedia, and gaming workloads. |
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| 16:46.57 | karlpinc | tonytraductor: Why would you need to do that? |
| 16:47.16 | nogo | does it include real-time features? |
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| 16:47.29 | blinki | I'm using exim4 to send to a smarthost; it works when I test from the command line but segfaults when freeswitch invokes it to send voicemail, is this a known thing? |
| 16:47.30 | tonytraductor | that's what the liquorix page says to do..although, I notice they only list a repo for sid, and I'm using lenny |
| 16:47.45 | karlpinc | tonytraductor: Ah, I thought you were running memtest. |
| 16:47.47 | tonytraductor | said to add their repo, so I can apt-get their kernel |
| 16:47.48 | cpatrick08 | it will work |
| 16:47.56 | cpatrick08 | it will work with lenny |
| 16:47.57 | tonytraductor | oh, somebody suggested I get the liquorix kernel |
| 16:48.07 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: Please try the Debian backports kernel rather than liquorix - we can't support liquorix here. |
| 16:48.16 | tonytraductor | but, should I change the repo to lenny or leave "sid main" at the end there? |
| 16:48.17 | stew | bah, liquorix doesn't seem to even provide source so who knows |
| 16:48.23 | tonytraductor | ah |
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| 16:48.30 | tonytraductor | maybe I should just run memtest first? |
| 16:48.36 | cpatrick08 | just leave it as sid |
| 16:48.39 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: You do NOT want to mess with sid |
| 16:48.44 | jhutchins_lt | cpatrick08: Please stop. |
| 16:48.53 | tonytraductor | no, I do not want sid on my production box |
| 16:49.02 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: Installing packages from sid and from other deistributions may destroy your system. |
| 16:49.02 | tonytraductor | I make a living on this thing. That's why I use Debian STable |
| 16:49.10 | tonytraductor | in general, it's nearly impossible to break stuff |
| 16:49.21 | jhutchins_lt | !tell tonytraductor about bdo |
| 16:49.23 | tonytraductor | unless, of course, apparently, you use 3rd part software, especially from google |
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| 16:49.39 | tonytraductor | I have backports enabled on my x86 machine |
| 16:49.44 | karlpinc | tonytraductor: If you think ram might be bad run memtest86+, overnight. Bad ram can make it look like any problem. (If it's really bad it should fail fast, but....) |
| 16:49.47 | tonytraductor | I think I have that on here, too |
| 16:49.48 | cpatrick08 | i am just answering his questions |
| 16:50.03 | tonytraductor | the ram is brand new, the whole box is brand new |
| 16:50.11 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: My main suspicion would be the google code, but memory problems could be physical, and google may expect a newer kernel than .26. |
| 16:50.27 | tonytraductor | I think the problem has something to do with google-chrome, since the syslog message mentions google-chrome...am I way off here? |
| 16:50.36 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: New stuff is more likely to fail than old stuff. memcheck/reseat the RAM. |
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| 16:50.57 | karlpinc | tonytraductor: Ah, new is more likely to be broken than something broken in. YMMV. |
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| 16:51.40 | tonytraductor | ok, I have 2.6.26.something... would it be ill-advised or a good idea to install linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 ? |
| 16:51.54 | karlpinc | tonytraductor: Good idea. |
| 16:52.04 | tonytraductor | especially since I'll probably be upgrading to squeeze within the next couple of weeks anyway? |
| 16:52.05 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: To summarize: Try the .32 kernel from backports - does the problem persist? If so, install memchecm, reboot & run it. If it doesn't show anything, run it overnight. If it does, re-seat the ram and check again. |
| 16:52.19 | tonytraductor | ok |
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| 16:52.35 | tonytraductor | going to aptitude install the shiny newer kernel |
| 16:52.52 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: memchecm? |
| 16:52.55 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: It's PROBABLY the google code, but there is no harm in trying any of those steps (they're all reversable). |
| 16:53.15 | tonytraductor | oh darn it...got 404s back from all backports repos... |
| 16:53.25 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: Yeah, one letter better than memcheck! |
| 16:53.28 | karlpinc | !tell tonytraductor about bdo |
| 16:53.38 | jhutchins_lt | He said he already has backports. |
| 16:53.43 | tonytraductor | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.46 | tonytraductor | that's not cool |
| 16:53.54 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: Yeah, but it's probably backports.org, not bdo. |
| 16:54.14 | karlpinc | tonytraductor: Did you 'aptitude update'? |
| 16:54.16 | tonytraductor | if bdo is backports.debian.org that's what I'm using |
| 16:54.22 | tonytraductor | oh, didn't update first...doh |
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| 16:54.44 | themill | tonytraductor: exactly what line do you have in your sources.list for backports? |
| 16:54.59 | themill | karlpinc: dpkg has a bdo factoid (alias, in fact) too. |
| 16:55.04 | tonytraductor | huh...57 updates available...should I do that before installing this kernel? |
| 16:55.22 | tonytraductor | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.38 | tonytraductor | aptitude DID get updates from all repos without issue |
| 16:56.02 | tonytraductor | just, now telling me that there are 57 updates, and I'm wondering if I should safe-upgrade first, then get the .32 kernel |
| 16:56.16 | jhutchins_lt | I'm off to shovel some more. Car window got left open during the blizzard. Back in a while. |
| 16:56.45 | tonytraductor | yeah decision made...already doing safe-upgrade first |
| 16:56.50 | tonytraductor | then I'll get this backport kernel |
| 16:56.56 | themill | tonytraductor: are you sure that's the line you have in your sources.list? |
| 16:57.01 | tonytraductor | oddly, I have a backported kernel on my x86 machine, too |
| 16:57.24 | Polynomial | I'm trying to set up some sort of file system logging for our server so I can see what files were edited by who and when (possibly also pre/post file sizes) just so I know which of the techs broke stuff :P any ideas on the best way to set this up? I'd like it if the log file was human readable plaintext like /var/log/auth.log does for su(do) commands |
| 16:57.26 | tonytraductor | ok, it looks like this: deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports lenny-backports main non-free |
| 16:57.47 | tonytraductor | that's copy/pasted from sources.list |
| 16:57.53 | themill | tonytraductor: that looks more sensible. You may as well include contrib if you're going to include non-free though. |
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| 16:58.23 | tonytraductor | right, sure |
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| 16:58.31 | tonytraductor | don't know why contrib isn't in there |
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| 16:59.00 | tonytraductor | contrib is now in there |
| 16:59.15 | karlpinc | Polynomial: Lordy. You could run incron on the whole thing. (!) |
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| 16:59.29 | tonytraductor | I notice that a new google-talkplugin is in the updates aptitude is currently installing |
| 16:59.30 | Bushmills | trying to open http://www.debian.org/ gives "The requested URL / was not found on this server." ?? |
| 16:59.35 | tonytraductor | maybe that will solve something |
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| 17:00.01 | tonytraductor | so tempted to just go to squeeze today |
| 17:00.02 | Polynomial | karlpinc - your tone suggests that might be overkill / too verbose |
| 17:00.37 | Polynomial | I preferably want to have individual control over which users/directories are logged |
| 17:00.38 | karlpinc | Polynomial: What your trying to do sounds like they'll be a lot of overhead. |
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| 17:00.50 | karlpinc | Polynomial: You can do that with incron. (You'll have to write your own script that logs.) |
| 17:00.51 | tonytraductor | I don't have any work currently pending, and the weekend to play with necessary tweakage...this is a serious temptation... |
| 17:01.07 | karlpinc | Polynomial: Perhaps there's fuse filesystem that will help. Dunno. |
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| 17:01.52 | themill | Bushmills: being worked on; thanks |
| 17:01.53 | thinksteve | tonytraductor: Squeeze is stable for me since December 2010, mirrors are not crowded atm, why don't you try it? |
| 17:02.31 | Polynomial | karlpinc - well the only edits I want to log are ones made by our tech users (e.g. tech_poly, tech_cleo, etc) who don't have any daemons running under them, so it should only ever show logs about operations they did in the terminal. |
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| 17:02.41 | karlpinc | will be moving 2 boxes to squeeze this afternoon. Yay! |
| 17:02.52 | Polynomial | but I'd also like minimal logging of /etc for root |
| 17:02.54 | blinki | I'm using exim4 to send to a smarthost; it works when I test from the command line but segfaults when freeswitch invokes it to send voicemail, is this a known thing? |
| 17:03.02 | Polynomial | in case we have a security breach |
| 17:03.27 | karlpinc | Polynomial: It'll have to check each time anything changes to see if you really want to log. |
| 17:03.33 | Polynomial | yeah |
| 17:03.36 | Polynomial | perhaps logging bash would be a better idea |
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| 17:04.10 | Polynomial | any idea how to glob all the bash logs for all users into one file (or at least one directory)? |
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| 17:04.23 | karlpinc | Polynomial: incron is sane. (So are backups! And possibly some sort of rcs.) |
| 17:04.31 | tonytraductor | allright then, darn it...that decides it...I'm going to squeeze now. |
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| 17:04.46 | rawtaz | great :) |
| 17:04.51 | rawtaz | cant go wrong with squeeze! |
| 17:04.57 | tonytraductor | oh, I'd better run a back up first |
| 17:05.01 | rawtaz | totally |
| 17:05.10 | galaxy_ | test |
| 17:05.20 | blinki | is anybody here an exim4 expert? |
| 17:05.33 | galaxy_ | I use it but not an expert |
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| 17:05.59 | Polynomial | karlpinc - incron looks like it's cron but using fs as a trigger rather than a timer...? |
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| 17:06.16 | Polynomial | seems like overhead might be ludicrous |
| 17:06.22 | galaxy_ | sometimes I use mutt to send mail and have exim4 configured for that |
| 17:06.53 | tonytraductor | running a backup now |
| 17:06.53 | petemc | blinki: how does freeswitch call exim4? sendmail or smtp ? |
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| 17:07.08 | tonytraductor | I just rsync with an external hdd. that will take about 20 minutes, usually |
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| 17:07.58 | blinki | petemc: I believe it does exec exim4 -t |
| 17:08.05 | lcb | hi.how is possible to check which module / driver is running a particular device (in this case a webcam 0ac8:3420 ) by its id? |
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| 17:08.36 | blinki | sendmail I think: http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Mod_voicemail#Exim4_settings |
| 17:08.37 | petemc | blinki: what does the exim log say? |
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| 17:09.15 | tonytraductor | do I change lenny-backports to squeeze-backports in sources.list? |
| 17:09.39 | tonytraductor | or should I think of disabling backports, initially, on squeeze? |
| 17:10.06 | stew | tonytraductor: up to you. squeeze-backports will work but is an empty repository until a wheezy exists to backport from |
| 17:10.06 | karlpinc | tonytraductor: You should follow the advice in the release notes. |
| 17:11.22 | galaxy_ | using squeeze here and it is stable |
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| 17:13.45 | tonytraductor | reading release notes |
| 17:13.50 | blinki | petemc: it says nothing |
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| 17:14.00 | blinki | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:15.31 | nsadmin | does it segfault in the exact same place at other times? |
| 17:15.46 | tonytraductor | do I understand that I should disable the multimedia and google repos during upgrade? |
| 17:15.52 | blinki | doesn't seem to misbehave at all in other instances. |
| 17:16.14 | blinki | test messages make it to my smarthost, and in turn, to my inbox, when sent on the cli |
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| 17:16.38 | nsadmin | so there has been one segfault which caused exim to die and it's never happened before or since |
| 17:16.53 | nsadmin | wait, it did not cause exim to die? |
| 17:17.04 | nsadmin | or was exim used when you send on cli? |
| 17:17.16 | petemc | blinki: /var/log/exim4/ |
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| 17:17.28 | petemc | blinki: do you still have the mails in /tmp/ ? |
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| 17:17.56 | blinki | nsadmin: it happens any time a voicemail is emailed using freeswitch. so the main daemon seems to stay up, just no log in /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
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| 17:18.16 | blinki | petemc: /tmp is empty |
| 17:18.23 | petemc | blinki: what does exim -bP log_file_path say ? |
| 17:18.25 | nsadmin | tmpty. |
| 17:18.41 | blinki | log_file_path = /var/log/exim4/%slog |
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| 17:19.07 | petemc | blinki: see if you can get a copy of the mails freeswitch generates, you can then run exim with debugging enabled |
| 17:19.39 | blinki | k |
| 17:20.58 | intx | is there a port forwarding application that lets you choose between different 'exit ip addresses'? |
| 17:21.00 | blinki | <- lunchbreak |
| 17:21.27 | petemc | irc is hard work |
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| 17:24.34 | Tom01 | Is there a way to close the dvd tray with Gnome, except the bash? |
| 17:24.56 | Tom01 | I can open it, but it does not wnat to close it. |
| 17:25.13 | Bushmills | eject -t |
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| 17:25.34 | akkark | Alt+F2 eject -t |
| 17:25.42 | Tom01 | shell only? |
| 17:25.43 | Polynomial | any idea how I might set my server up so I log into my account with one password and then sudo with another password? |
| 17:25.48 | Bushmills | put it on a launcher |
| 17:26.14 | kyo | Hi, I have problems with my video intel card(x4500) in testing, any advise? |
| 17:27.03 | kyo | without any configuration load vesa driver, and with configuration I got "device not detected" |
| 17:28.06 | kyo | with Xorg -configure detect PCI 0:2:0 but when I restart also I have message "device not detected" |
| 17:28.33 | Tom01 | Bushmills, akkark thanks |
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| 17:29.09 | akkark | technically it might be shell too, i'm not sure |
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| 17:30.32 | tonytraductor | repos pointing to "stable" are still lenny, at this juncture, no? If I want squeeze I need to change all "stable" and "lenny" to squeeze in source.list, yes? |
| 17:31.04 | stew | tonytraductor: yes, and people should not be using 'stable' in sources.list anyway |
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| 17:32.13 | akkark | why, i always thought that having stable would make you have stable whatever |
| 17:32.32 | akkark | ... whatever codename id |
| 17:32.34 | akkark | is* |
| 17:32.53 | stew | akkark: it makes it so that when stable switches from one release to another, you get a half way upgraded broken install if you aren't paying attention |
| 17:33.00 | thinksteve | tonytraductor: debian-multimedia.org and backports.debian.org are already available for squeeze |
| 17:33.07 | stew | akkark: switching from one release to another should be a deliberate action |
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| 17:34.15 | thinksteve | tonytraductor: Following the Upgrade-Guide makes it even more painless: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html :) |
| 17:34.15 | akkark | like if i know new debian released and run safe-upgrade without editing sources.list? |
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| 17:35.42 | frikinz | is it possible to boot a kernel&initrd on the hdd with the debian installer? |
| 17:36.04 | stew | akkark: yes |
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| 17:36.41 | frikinz | debian installer cd |
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| 17:48.31 | BlaDe^ | Hi guys --- why does cpufreq report the wrong max speed? it shows 1.9GHz as a hardware limit but I have dualcore 2.4GHz |
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| 17:51.51 | akkark | it can be a marketing stuff |
| 17:51.54 | mentor | BlaDe^: dunno, but you probably don't want to be using cpufreq |
| 17:52.05 | BlaDe^ | mentor: http://pastie.org/1528884 <- that's wrong also |
| 17:52.29 | mentor | er |
| 17:52.30 | mentor | right |
| 17:52.37 | mentor | BlaDe^: Are you sure you're logged into the right machine? |
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| 17:52.48 | BlaDe^ | mentor: yes |
| 17:53.26 | BlaDe^ | can you even get "AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual-Core Processor TK-57" at 800MHz ? ol |
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| 17:54.34 | Sashi | with vsftpd, how can i limit how many files a person can transfer within 24hs? |
| 17:54.47 | mentor | BlaDe^: I think it probably can run at 800 MHz |
| 17:54.59 | BlaDe^ | it does run at 800MHz, and every step from there to 1.9GHz |
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| 17:55.02 | BlaDe^ | but I want it to run at 2.4GHz |
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| 17:55.30 | mentor | You should probably be using ondemand anyway |
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| 17:56.03 | BlaDe^ | mentor: I am... but it will only go up to 1.9GHz even if at 100% cpu usage |
| 17:56.12 | krish_debian | ping |
| 17:57.03 | Sashi | pong |
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| 17:57.30 | DanDare | yeah, help controlling gases emissions to athmosphere :) |
| 17:57.43 | mentor | eh? |
| 17:58.06 | mentor | BlaDe^: tk-57 only goes up to 1.9 GHz |
| 17:58.38 | BlaDe^ | mentor: why does it say on the box that it's dual core 2.4GHz then? and it did in windows, too |
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| 17:59.26 | mentor | BlaDe^: Dunno |
| 17:59.53 | mentor | Maybe the wrong id. is registered with Linux or something |
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| 18:00.41 | Bushmills | maybe "runs at actual speed of 1.9 GHz as if it was a 2.4 GHz CPU" |
| 18:00.51 | mentor | BlaDe^: Where did you buy it from? |
| 18:00.53 | Sashi | so anyone know about vsftpd? |
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| 18:01.10 | BlaDe^ | mentor: acerdirect I think... like 3-4years ago |
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| 18:02.52 | jhutchins_lt | BlaDe^: BIOS could be limiting it. |
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| 18:03.08 | maligor | BlaDe^, have you checked cpufreq-info? |
| 18:03.11 | jhutchins_lt | BlaDe^: What does /proc/cpu say about the chip? |
| 18:03.27 | BlaDe^ | http://pastie.org/1528898 |
| 18:03.37 | BlaDe^ | jhutchins: it says it's 800MHz |
| 18:04.22 | jhutchins_lt | BlaDe^: That looks a lot like it isn't a 2.4G CPU. |
| 18:04.33 | jhutchins_lt | BlaDe^: Pull the heatsink if you want to be sure. |
| 18:04.44 | BlaDe^ | is it written on it, then? |
| 18:05.25 | jhutchins_lt | Might be. Might be mis-marked as well. |
| 18:05.40 | BlaDe^ | okay no problem- thanks for your help guys |
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| 18:06.02 | jhutchins_lt | Unless the BIOS has limited it for some reason, cpufreq and /proc/cpuinfo should be correct. |
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| 18:06.12 | jhutchins_lt | cpuinfo should list the model so you can check. |
| 18:07.10 | jhutchins_lt | Then again, AMD used to play tricks with model numbers implying a higher clock frequency due to supposed better efficiency. |
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| 18:08.30 | skamikaze | can you tell me what cpu is faster if you just now the clock frequenzy jhutchins ? |
| 18:08.31 | skamikaze | :) |
| 18:09.25 | maligor | jhutchins_lt, no, not really, they played the model game, but they never claimed any frequency higher than the cpu had |
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| 18:11.48 | tonytraductor | okay, back up done |
| 18:11.57 | tonytraductor | starting the upgrade process to squeeze |
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| 18:13.34 | tonytraductor | getting 404s on volatile.debian.org ... is that bad? is it safe to proceed? |
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| 18:14.01 | ChrisW | how do I pipe to append to a file? |
| 18:14.13 | tonytraductor | oh no...I got W: Failed to fetch on a lot of stuff |
| 18:14.19 | ChrisW | some_command > somefile.log ? |
| 18:14.24 | tonytraductor | trying to apt-get update after changing sources.list to squeeze |
| 18:14.34 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: Did you actually read the install guide? |
| 18:14.41 | tonytraductor | yes |
| 18:14.45 | tonytraductor | I'm doing what it said |
| 18:14.49 | tonytraductor | said record session with script |
| 18:14.53 | tonytraductor | run apt-get update |
| 18:14.59 | sha | ChrisW: >> for appending |
| 18:15.00 | ChrisW | some_command >> somefile.log ? |
| 18:15.02 | ChrisW | gotcha |
| 18:15.03 | ChrisW | thanks |
| 18:15.04 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: I don't believe volitile for squeeze exists yet. In any case, you should disable volitile and backports for the first round of the upgrade. |
| 18:15.14 | tonytraductor | okay |
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| 18:15.36 | ChrisW | sha is &>> valid to take both err and out ? |
| 18:15.37 | stew | volatile for squeeze exists but it is called squeeze-updates |
| 18:15.43 | jhutchins_lt | Once you get a solid main-line install you can start tweaking stuff that needs to be newer. |
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| 18:15.59 | jhutchins_lt | stew: That's right, and they have some updates already I think. |
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| 18:16.07 | jhutchins_lt | stew: how about backports? |
| 18:16.32 | tonytraductor | I disabled volative and backports (already had done bp) |
| 18:16.49 | stew | jhutchins_lt: no, they don't have updates yet. backports for squeeze has existed for a while now |
| 18:17.02 | stew | jhutchins_lt: i mean the repository, obviously there are no backports yet, since wheezy doesn't yet exist |
| 18:17.25 | tonytraductor | also, I assume 3rd party repos should be disabled (google.chrome, multimedia). Yes? release notes don't seem to implicitly state that, but it seems logical to me |
| 18:17.44 | jhutchins_lt | I thought I saw clam or something updated, but maybe that was just an example. |
| 18:17.51 | ChrisW | sha: hmm, no, that's not right, so how do I redirect stdout and stderr to append to a file? |
| 18:17.51 | stew | tonytraductor: when volatile returns it won't be on volatile.debian.org, it will be on the main mirrors (but named squeeze-updates instead of squeeze) |
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| 18:18.16 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: I think dmm's ok. No idea what repos for chrome exist. |
| 18:18.28 | stew | jhutchins_lt: check for yourself: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/main/source/Sources.gz |
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| 18:19.00 | tonytraductor | google has their own repos for their browser. here deb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable non-free main |
| 18:19.06 | tonytraductor | I'm disabling it for now |
| 18:19.23 | tonytraductor | also disabling dmm, for now. can uncomment it later |
| 18:19.27 | jhutchins_lt | I sure wish firefox' "Open With" dialog had a text entry field instead of mouse browse only. |
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| 18:20.03 | tonytraductor | Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/Release |
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| 18:20.35 | tonytraductor | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.40 | stew | tonytraductor: works for me. what ip address is givin g you the problem? |
| 18:20.48 | stew | oh |
| 18:21.06 | tonytraductor | well, after disabling stuff, I'm not getting any 404s, so much |
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| 18:21.21 | mentor | jhutchins_lt: Should use the gnome default |
| 18:21.28 | sha | ChrisW: are you sure? i would guess &>> is right |
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| 18:21.31 | tonytraductor | just failed to fecth something from ftp.us.debian.or for experimental/binary-amd64/Packages |
| 18:21.35 | jhutchins_lt | mentor: No gnome allowed here. |
| 18:21.39 | tonytraductor | I posted the error message |
| 18:21.45 | tonytraductor | I see no 404 msgs anymore, though |
| 18:21.55 | stew | tonytraductor: do you actually have experimental in sources.list? |
| 18:21.56 | mentor | Qt then |
| 18:21.58 | sha | ChrisW: what exactly is wrong with this? |
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| 18:22.12 | tonytraductor | yes, I have experimental in sources.list |
| 18:22.31 | stew | "< tonytraductor> no, I do not want sid on my production box" |
| 18:22.34 | tonytraductor | I have squeeze main non-free contrib experimental |
| 18:22.42 | stew | but you want experiemntal ⸘ |
| 18:22.49 | tonytraductor | so I should take "experimental" off |
| 18:22.57 | stew | yes, there is no such component |
| 18:23.25 | stew | there is a partial release named experimental that you definately don't want |
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| 18:23.45 | tonytraductor | oky,without that apt-get update seems to go smoothly |
| 18:24.11 | jhutchins_lt | !lenny->squeeze |
| 18:24.34 | jhutchins_lt | Hm. |
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| 18:24.52 | stew | jhutchins_lt: /msg the bot |
| 18:25.17 | ChrisW | sha &>> gives "syntax error near unexpected token `>'" |
| 18:25.46 | ChrisW | sha: I went with "2>&1 >> " |
| 18:25.52 | ChrisW | seems to work :-) |
| 18:25.56 | stew | ChrisW: &>> is not posix, it will work in bash, but not necessarily sh |
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| 18:26.22 | sha | ChrisW: okay, then your command might be wrong, but &>> is working fine without syntax error |
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| 18:26.39 | stew | ChrisW: "2>&1 >> foo" is different, you'd want ">> foo 2>&1" for the same behavior as "&>>foo" |
| 18:26.47 | sha | ah ok ... thought we're talking about bash |
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| 18:27.45 | stew | ChrisW: "2>&1 >> foo" is "stdout into foo, replace stdout with stderr", you probably want ">> foo 2>&1" which is effectively "combine stderr and stdout and send them to foo" |
| 18:29.02 | ChrisW | stew: okay, thanks, got that now |
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| 18:37.49 | SparFux | Hi all. |
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| 18:39.16 | SparFux | My /etc/resolv.conf file gets written to on network setup. I guess the dns servers are automatically put in there. How can I make ifupdown use my local dnsmasq server instead? |
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| 18:41.22 | ram0 | What is the situation with radeon driver 3D support for lenny? I have 2.26 stock kernel with libgl1-mesa-dri and libgl1-mesa-glx (7.0.3-7) installed but I can not get DRI work. I also added necessary options in xorg.conf and Xorg.log confirms that dri is enabled. |
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| 18:42.11 | maligor | ram0, squeeze is going to be released in a few days |
| 18:42.15 | tharkun | SparFux: how much mobility those this particular piece of hw has? |
| 18:42.18 | Bushmills | SparFux: tell the dhcp compionent of dnsmasq to reply to dhcp requests by also giving the ip address your nameserver (i.e. the machine where dnsmasq runs on) |
| 18:42.22 | ram0 | Do I need mesa with a higher version? |
| 18:42.40 | maligor | ram0, mostly it depends on your graphics card |
| 18:42.57 | funyun | hi. noob here. can anyone help me convert this tutorial to debian? http://vermorel.com/journal/2008/11/2/installing-vmware-server-20-on-a-ovh-rps.html |
| 18:42.59 | ram0 | maligor: Are you saying it does not yet work in lenny? |
| 18:43.05 | Bushmills | SparFux: and make sure that dhcp client requests name server - which is usually done by default |
| 18:43.09 | maligor | ram0, what graphics card is it? |
| 18:43.20 | funyun | i'm doing this on my dedicated server and don't want to screw anything up |
| 18:43.30 | ram0 | maligor: Radeon Mobility X1400 |
| 18:43.40 | Bushmills | SparFux: your clients *do* dhcp request, don't they? |
| 18:43.41 | funyun | i'm on the step "yum install emacs" |
| 18:44.04 | maligor | ram0, well, it should work in lenny |
| 18:44.22 | maligor | ram0, the name atleast implies it's a r500 or earlier |
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| 18:45.17 | ram0 | maligor: Ah, all my searches comment that it works in lenny but also there are conflicting comments as well. |
| 18:45.26 | SparFux | tharkun: my hardware? it's a desktop pc. close to no mobility. |
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| 18:45.51 | ram0 | maligor: Yeah it is r500 series. |
| 18:45.52 | SparFux | Bushmills: the dnsmasq is running on this same machine here. locally. |
| 18:45.52 | maligor | ram0, well, squeeze will have a newer mesa |
| 18:45.53 | krion | i'm OT but anyone with a hetzner server in order to do a speed test ? |
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| 18:46.10 | babilen | funyun: https://wiki.debian.org/VMware#InstallingVMwareServer2onLenny might be a better guide. Doesn't vmware provide some documentation as well? |
| 18:46.12 | nogo | new mesa = gallium 3d? |
| 18:46.24 | maligor | no, gallium3d isn't ready yet |
| 18:46.26 | Bushmills | krion: i got a machine there |
| 18:46.34 | blinki | petemc: I have the email that was generated by freeswitch; using the cli and cat'ing the file into exim4 -t it does NOT crash. |
| 18:46.42 | SparFux | Bushmills: I am dialing in to my dsl provider and this provider gives back dns nameservers. I don't know wether it works over dhcp. |
| 18:46.45 | babilen | funyun: I would also recommend to ask in #vmware -- they probably know best. |
| 18:46.59 | ram0 | maligor: unstable has mesa 7.7 but it breaks my installation. |
| 18:47.01 | funyun | babilen: well the problem is my ovh server and it's kernel |
| 18:47.09 | tharkun | SparFux: you have several options the one Bushmill told you to do or make the dhcp server feed your machine and only your machine those parameters. The third one is to have a static ip that will be fully configured by you |
| 18:47.13 | ram0 | maligor: Thank you anyway. |
| 18:47.20 | krion | Bushmills: if you can just do a wget on an iso like lenny or some, and give me the link in order to compare |
| 18:47.24 | Bushmills | SparFux: that's pppoe, most likely. nothing to do with your dnsmasq |
| 18:47.24 | funyun | babilen: i can install vmware fine once i figure do the kernel steps |
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| 18:47.57 | babilen | funyun: I can't help you with that, just wanted to point out other resources. If you would provide more details of the actual problems you run into we might be able to help. |
| 18:48.00 | SparFux | Bushmills: oh, ok. I would have to tell it to just leave the resolv.conf alone or so. |
| 18:48.50 | Bushmills | krion: i need this one anyway on the server: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.8/amd64/iso-cd/debian-508-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 18:49.18 | SparFux | Bushmills: ah yeah, it's the pppoe stuff and in /etc/ppp. What a mess :-) |
| 18:49.27 | funyun | babilen: well for one. it tells me to do emacs /etc/lilo.conf, but a user here told me i don't use lilo |
| 18:49.46 | krion | Bushmills: and so ? |
| 18:49.52 | babilen | funyun: yes, you are probably using grub (1 or 2) |
| 18:50.03 | funyun | babilen: how can i check? |
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| 18:50.04 | krion | i'm at 35K/s with a EQ4... |
| 18:50.28 | Bushmills | krion: debian.org is slow today. maxing out at about 3 MiB/sec |
| 18:50.37 | Bushmills | EQ4 too here |
| 18:50.43 | babilen | funyun: "dpkg -l '*grub*'" will list installed grub packages |
| 18:50.44 | krion | 3MiB ! |
| 18:50.50 | Bushmills | that's slow |
| 18:51.02 | krion | i'm at 35K/s, that's slow :) |
| 18:51.10 | Bushmills | from university server, i usually get > 10 MiB/sec |
| 18:51.17 | krion | Bushmills: i've big trouble with them... but it's OT |
| 18:51.41 | funyun | babilen: http://pastebin.com/XCYBE2id |
| 18:51.44 | krion | (and bushmills taste good :)) |
| 18:51.50 | Bushmills | average was 2.19MiB/sec |
| 18:51.59 | krion | ok |
| 18:52.02 | babilen | funyun: Yes, you have grub2 installed. |
| 18:52.15 | Bushmills | real 1m0.303s for transfer |
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| 18:52.56 | tonytraductor | okay, when it asks me to correct a list of services to restart for PAM, I'm a bit lost... |
| 18:53.10 | tonytraductor | says "gdm exim4 cups cron atd" looks reasonable enough to me... |
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| 18:53.17 | funyun | babilen: okay. so what would i change in this so it will work with grub2? http://pastebin.com/phBtqB5L |
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| 18:54.44 | Bushmills | SparFux: is you use resolvconf, you can specify your server, as server 127.0.0.1, in the header config file |
| 18:54.48 | Bushmills | if you ... |
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| 18:54.59 | tonytraductor | It appears as though I will shortly be using Squeeze...and happily... |
| 18:55.32 | tonytraductor | although< I am a little concerned about not having a CIDSupplement for Batan-Regular |
| 18:55.32 | Bushmills | otherwise you'd tell pppoe to not touch your resolv.conf, and set your own resolver manually in there |
| 18:55.37 | tonytraductor | not really... |
| 18:55.44 | tonytraductor | not too worried about Batang- |
| 18:56.02 | tonytraductor | this really is moving rather quickly...I'm surprised |
| 18:56.12 | SparFux | Bushmills: I am not using it. The modification of /etc/resolf.conf in my host is done by option "userpeerdns" to pppd I suppose. I turn this off. |
| 18:56.24 | Bushmills | right |
| 18:56.34 | tonytraductor | I jumped onto the Debian bandwagon less than two years ago, so this is my first ever dist-upgrade |
| 18:56.45 | SparFux | Bushmills: have to test later on. but I think it's it. |
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| 18:57.10 | tonytraductor | I can say, with RH/Fedora, PCLinuxOS and Ubuntu, I don't think I ever successfully upgraded via apt (or yum) without breaking tonso stuff, and then doing a fresh install from CD |
| 18:57.41 | Bushmills | tonytraductor: debian upgrades tend to be rather painless |
| 18:57.43 | nogo | yum update is a pain in the ass |
| 18:57.52 | nogo | it's too slow |
| 18:58.04 | tonytraductor | yum broke everything. I swear. That's why Igave up fedora back in about 2006 |
| 18:58.15 | tonytraductor | I used ubuntu for about 1.5 years, then moved to PCLinuxOS for a while |
| 18:58.19 | Bushmills | looking at diffs between installed and new config files may be a bit tedious |
| 18:58.24 | tonytraductor | then to Lenny, and have LOVED Lenny since day 1 |
| 18:58.47 | tonytraductor | honestly, if this upgrade comes off without a hitch (looks like it will) I will probably never ever change distros |
| 18:59.07 | tonytraductor | although I do have peppermint os on my netbook, now. I had lenny on there, but it was buggy with the display and the wifi was very fickle |
| 18:59.20 | tonytraductor | I'm starting to think that's the old hardware (everex cloudbook) |
| 18:59.31 | tonytraductor | peppermint doesn't have any trouble with the display, but the wifi still sucks |
| 18:59.35 | tonytraductor | works one minute, not the next |
| 18:59.37 | nogo | peppermint is made for cloud |
| 18:59.49 | tonytraductor | a vanilly ubuntu sucked badly on that thing |
| 18:59.56 | tonytraductor | and ubuntu netboo remix is a gaudy nightmare |
| 19:00.15 | nogo | netbook is out of fashion now |
| 19:00.16 | tonytraductor | yeah, cloudy...but that's sufficient for my netbook thingy |
| 19:00.28 | nogo | arm tablet is the future |
| 19:00.33 | tonytraductor | well, I'd rather a small machine with an actual keyboard than some tablet crap |
| 19:00.35 | abrotman | #debian ? |
| 19:00.45 | tonytraductor | of course, my phone does aabout as much as my netbook! |
| 19:00.51 | Ergo^ | so release is scheduled on 6th ? |
| 19:00.56 | Bushmills | fashionable or not, a netbook is about my only machine i ever use, locally |
| 19:00.58 | tonytraductor | excpt ssh into my home box (haven't rooted it, yet) |
| 19:00.59 | frikinz | nogo: nokia did it some time ago with debian. but they failed miserably |
| 19:01.07 | Ergo^ | i always wondered how big operation is syncing all the mirrors |
| 19:01.19 | funyun | can anyone tell me what would i change in this so it will work with grub2? http://pastebin.com/phBtqB5L |
| 19:01.21 | maligor | frikinz, you mean maemo? |
| 19:01.26 | frikinz | maligor: yes |
| 19:01.27 | nogo | debian should catch up the cloud |
| 19:01.34 | maligor | frikinz, maemo isn't debian |
| 19:01.38 | tonytraductor | okay, do I want to keep my current package manager, or install the pkg maintainer's version? |
| 19:01.47 | tonytraductor | default is keep the current version... |
| 19:01.49 | frikinz | maligor: well, the core is debian clearly. the UI maybe not |
| 19:01.52 | maligor | frikinz, and they didn't really fail |
| 19:02.01 | Bushmills | tonytraductor: look at config file diffs |
| 19:02.10 | Bushmills | your old config may miss new config statements |
| 19:02.15 | frikinz | maligor: they failed. it had so much potential.. 1y before anyone |
| 19:02.22 | maligor | frikinz, they failed in that that they didn't push it forward |
| 19:02.32 | maligor | but it wasn't a failure as such |
| 19:02.37 | tonytraductor | I'm looking at the diffs, but not making much sense of them |
| 19:02.50 | maligor | but maemo isn't debian |
| 19:02.52 | tonytraductor | just, the new one has something from 2009, while my current one seems to have been updated in january...weird |
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| 19:02.54 | maligor | so it's OT |
| 19:03.15 | Bushmills | tonytraductor: for config files which you haven't customised, you can go with maintainers' versions |
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| 19:03.25 | tonytraductor | looks like the biggest difference is that the new one has DPMS set to off by default |
| 19:03.29 | tonytraductor | whatever that is |
| 19:04.13 | tonytraductor | I'm assuming I customized the configs, since the current/old version was last configed on Jan 8. |
| 19:04.17 | Bushmills | any way, you'll have both old and new files sitting in the directory after upgrade |
| 19:04.37 | tonytraductor | keeping my current version |
| 19:04.51 | Bushmills | once you're sure that configs are ok after upgrade, you can remove the unneeded version |
| 19:05.05 | funyun | can anyone tell me what would i change in this so it will work with grub2? http://pastebin.com/phBtqB5L |
| 19:06.07 | tonytraductor | boy, it spends a lot of time concerning itself with fonts |
| 19:06.39 | tonytraductor | I didn't remove 3rd party stuff. |
| 19:06.55 | tonytraductor | not that I have much (google-chrome, OmegaT, libreoffice) |
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| 19:10.23 | rphillips | is there a web tool I can install as a front-end to generate debian packages? |
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| 19:10.53 | deed02392 | How can I specify a username with a forward slash in when using 'scp'? |
| 19:11.12 | goofy03 | Hi i just migrate an lvm2 raid soft server on sqeeze but grub2 cant find lvm root partion on new kernel but i can boot with my old kernel someone can help please ? |
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| 19:11.17 | abrotman | deed02392: escape it? |
| 19:11.30 | deed02392 | tried that abrotman, I get the same error: cannot stat directory |
| 19:11.39 | abrotman | rphillips: there's a web tool called a browser where you can read the docs on how to create a package |
| 19:12.00 | tonytraductor | w0w...apt-get upgrade done...no error msgs |
| 19:12.01 | deed02392 | cp: cannot stat `george-7/george@*.*.*.*:/F/': No such file or directory |
| 19:12.10 | abrotman | you didn't escape it? |
| 19:12.11 | funyun | abrotman: can you tell me what would i change in this so it will work with grub2? http://pastebin.com/phBtqB5L |
| 19:12.17 | abrotman | he came back! |
| 19:12.25 | deed02392 | that's the error message, even when I escape it abrotman |
| 19:12.42 | abrotman | deed02392: try \\ instead of just \ ? |
| 19:12.56 | abrotman | funyun: what is "it" in this case? |
| 19:12.59 | deed02392 | cp: cannot stat `george-7\\/george@ |
| 19:13.02 | tonytraductor | I did apt-get upgrade |
| 19:13.05 | stew | funyun: run "update-grub" |
| 19:13.08 | tonytraductor | now doing apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 19:13.26 | funyun | abrotman: the pastebin = it |
| 19:13.28 | tonytraductor | then, (I suppose after a reboot?) apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:13.34 | Bushmills | !aptitude |
| 19:13.34 | dpkg | i guess aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> <aptitude ops> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
| 19:13.47 | Bushmills | !why aptitude |
| 19:13.47 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Be careful. |
| 19:14.05 | funyun | stew: so don't use emacs at all? |
| 19:14.10 | tonytraductor | I really don't |
| 19:14.21 | deed02392 | is SCP not up for this task? |
| 19:14.29 | deed02392 | the default debian version |
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| 19:14.55 | deed02392 | i could login using 'WinSCP' |
| 19:14.58 | tonytraductor | meant to say, don't understand this whole device renaming business |
| 19:15.01 | deed02392 | which I used to test the server locally |
| 19:15.06 | Talon_ | anybody know if squeeze stable will be released tomorrow or sunday? |
| 19:15.08 | tonytraductor | seems the older system was human-readable, at least |
| 19:15.10 | deed02392 | the remote machine i want to scp to is running Windows |
| 19:15.26 | deed02392 | the slash being required is inherant to RemotelyAnywhere on this platform |
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| 19:16.02 | stew | funyun: no |
| 19:16.10 | stew | funyun: grub will configure itself |
| 19:16.37 | funyun | stew: alright. do i still do shutdown -r now ? |
| 19:16.42 | omani | do I need to update grub, whenever I take configurations in menu.lst? |
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| 19:16.58 | stew | funyun: that will reboot, if that is what you want to do. i have no idea what you are doing |
| 19:17.03 | eldowan | omani: I don't think so, no |
| 19:17.06 | Bushmills | omani: no |
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| 19:18.04 | funyun | stew: here's what i'm trying to accomplish. can you skim it? i really don't wanna screw anything up http://vermorel.com/journal/2008/11/2/installing-vmware-server-20-on-a-ovh-rps.html |
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| 19:18.05 | rphillips | abrotman: i know how to read docs. I want to deploy a central deb package builder for work |
| 19:18.08 | tuXXX | hey guys |
| 19:18.23 | tuXXX | you were extremely helpful last time |
| 19:18.25 | funyun | stew: the parts about install vmware are irrelevant |
| 19:18.27 | tuXXX | maybe you could help me agian |
| 19:18.29 | tuXXX | *again |
| 19:18.31 | funyun | installing* |
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| 19:18.47 | tuXXX | I got a NFS-Boot running on my xbox360 .. but i get what i would call "blinking cursor of death" .. its a fresh debootstrapped powerpc ubuntu system (built via livecd) |
| 19:18.53 | tuXXX | and here goes the bootlog http://pastebin.com/7SdAekyk |
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| 19:19.00 | tuXXX | fstab contains the following.. but also with empty fstab I get the exact same error: |
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| 19:19.07 | tuXXX | 192.168.11.20:/mnt/nfsroot/xbox/gentoo / nfs defaults 0 0 |
| 19:19.10 | Bushmills | tuXXX: and what is your debian question? |
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| 19:19.33 | tuXXX | look at the end of the pastebin pls |
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| 19:19.46 | Bushmills | i see gentoo, ubuntu and xbox |
| 19:19.53 | tuXXX | ureadahead shouldnt be a problem as its ment for block devices right? |
| 19:20.05 | tuXXX | gentoo is just the mountpount |
| 19:20.14 | tuXXX | my kernel-CMDLINE is hardcoded to that path |
| 19:20.26 | funyun | stew: i'm at the part where it says "yum install emacs" |
| 19:20.28 | tuXXX | but its in reality booting ubuntu/debian |
| 19:20.40 | Bushmills | both at the same time? |
| 19:20.47 | tuXXX | only ubuntu.. |
| 19:21.06 | tuXXX | it seems in ubuntu channel they cant help.. and i made good experience in this channel ago |
| 19:21.13 | tuXXX | so I thought i try it here |
| 19:21.18 | Bushmills | ah, so putting a "debian" there was more for decorative purposes? |
| 19:21.46 | tuXXX | i meen.. ubuntu is based on debian.. |
| 19:21.53 | Bushmills | we know that |
| 19:22.04 | tuXXX | :P yeah |
| 19:22.11 | abrotman | rphillips: there are front ends, don't think they're web based though |
| 19:22.18 | Bushmills | but this is not the ubuntu channel, this is the debian channel |
| 19:22.27 | tonytraductor | what part of ubuntu did they base on Debian? |
| 19:22.37 | Bushmills | it is also not the ubuntu-is-based-on-debian-channel |
| 19:22.38 | tonytraductor | the fact the they're both gnu/linux distributions? |
| 19:22.39 | abrotman | please take the ubuntu chatter somewhere else |
| 19:22.48 | tuXXX | ok.. sorry guys |
| 19:22.55 | tonytraductor | because I never noticed any similarity |
| 19:23.00 | deed02392 | can anyone recommend me an 'scp' client for linux? |
| 19:23.01 | abrotman | move along |
| 19:23.02 | tonytraductor | for one thing, Debian rocks, and is stable and solid |
| 19:23.10 | tonytraductor | and doesn't suck |
| 19:23.22 | tonytraductor | probably scp |
| 19:23.24 | tuXXX | prolly I will install a debian system first |
| 19:23.39 | abrotman | deed02392: what's wrong with 'scp' ? |
| 19:23.50 | tonytraductor | I really have determined that Debian, in fact, is much better for n00bs |
| 19:23.53 | deed02392 | abrotman, it won't work with remotelyanywhere's scp server |
| 19:23.59 | tonytraductor | consider, with Ubuntu, it's really not that hard to break stuff |
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| 19:24.05 | ws2k3 | hell |
| 19:24.06 | Bushmills | tonytraductor: there are noobs and there are noobs |
| 19:24.07 | ws2k3 | hello |
| 19:24.07 | tonytraductor | in Debian/Stable, it seems nearly impossible |
| 19:24.17 | Bushmills | one size doesn't fit all |
| 19:24.20 | tonytraductor | do you want noobs breaking stuff? that only frustrates |
| 19:24.22 | tonytraductor | them |
| 19:24.30 | tonytraductor | I installed lenny on my mom's computer, and she loves it |
| 19:24.33 | tonytraductor | with XFCE |
| 19:25.05 | tonytraductor | runs great, nothing ever breaks, let's her write her recipe book in OOo, surf recipe websites, and shop on amazon |
| 19:25.05 | abrotman | deed02392: uhm, what did they do to their scp server/ |
| 19:25.06 | abrotman | ? |
| 19:25.09 | tonytraductor | that's all she wants anyway |
| 19:25.21 | Bushmills | breaking stuff is good. one learns from putting the pieces together again :) |
| 19:25.29 | nogo | a real woman uses windows |
| 19:25.55 | tonytraductor | uh-huh, real women use Debian |
| 19:26.00 | funyun | abrotman: you were helping me yesterday. i am now on the very last step of solving this problem. can you help? |
| 19:26.03 | tonytraductor | nix-geek-chix are the hawttest |
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| 19:26.19 | babilen | real woman talk about *on-topic* things ;) |
| 19:26.49 | Bushmills | my GF was two weeks angry at me after i installed linux on here machine on her express request :( |
| 19:26.54 | Bushmills | her |
| 19:27.18 | tonytraductor | my exwife had some WinXP PoS, and I got so tired of "fixing" it, that I installed,at that time, Kubuntu, for her |
| 19:27.27 | mordocai_work | now knows why Bushmills is so cranky :). |
| 19:27.37 | tonytraductor | she never had another problem...well, until she left, and I could still ssh into her machine remotely |
| 19:27.38 | abrotman | tonytraductor: seriously .. keep it on topic .. |
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| 19:27.46 | abrotman | this isn't on-topic |
| 19:27.55 | abrotman | funyun: what problem are you trying to solve? |
| 19:28.01 | Bushmills | mordocai_work: no, that's not it. i'm actually in a cheerful mood today :P |
| 19:28.28 | juhaj_ | Any linux VM experts around? I have ~450MB of cache which won't get freed no matter how desperately apps require more memory. Result: hellish swapping. Swappiness, drop_caches, dirty_ratios etc "easy tricks" do now help. |
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| 19:29.13 | tonytraductor | saying that Debian is best for noobs is off-topic in #debian? |
| 19:29.17 | tonytraductor | I'm confused by that. |
| 19:29.29 | mordocai_work | juhaj_: try sync; echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches? |
| 19:29.45 | tonytraductor | w0w, this upgrade is so close to being done |
| 19:29.47 | tonytraductor | this is amazing |
| 19:29.51 | abrotman | tonytraductor: try #debian-offtopic .. you'll have more fun |
| 19:29.58 | tonytraductor | aha! |
| 19:30.05 | funyun | abrotman: i'm trying to install this kernel to my ovh server. i contacted the provider and they tell me there's only one way to do it without breaking the system. but the tutorial they gave me isn't for debian and is for servers with lilo. i have debian and grub2. here's the tutorial, i'm on the last step where it says "yum install emacs". http://vermorel.com/journal/2008/11/2/installing-vmware-server-20-on-a-ovh-rps.html |
| 19:30.13 | juhaj_ | mordocai_work: That's the "drop_caches" easy trick. Tried all those already, to no avail. =( |
| 19:30.32 | tonytraductor | well, aptitude install emacs, instead |
| 19:30.33 | deed02392 | no idea abrotman, but sftp works |
| 19:30.34 | Bushmills | kernel? provider? yum? |
| 19:30.36 | deed02392 | i guess they've mislabelled it |
| 19:30.39 | Bushmills | wrong movie i'm in |
| 19:30.46 | mordocai_work | juhaj_: Ah, sorry, yeah. |
| 19:30.50 | tonytraductor | or apt-get install emacs, if you prefer |
| 19:31.00 | juhaj_ | mordocai_work: It seems as if there were some huge open mmapped files or something which cannot be freed |
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| 19:31.21 | juhaj_ | mordocai_work: That's the only thing I can think of which could behave like this |
| 19:31.27 | funyun | tonytraductor: yes, i've installed that |
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| 19:32.05 | tonytraductor | oh, ok |
| 19:32.07 | mordocai_work | juhaj_: Well, I suppose the easiest solution would be the Windows fix-all: reboot. |
| 19:32.31 | funyun | tonytraductor: i just need help with the next 4 lines. aside from the cp line |
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| 19:32.36 | juhaj_ | mordocai_work: No it is not. This reoccurs very soon after a reboot, so I need a real fix. |
| 19:32.49 | juhaj_ | mordocai_work: I cannot keep on rebooting once a week... |
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| 19:33.21 | Bushmills | juhaj_: does vmstat tell you anything interesting? |
| 19:33.35 | babilen | funyun: emac won't help you anything. it is an editor, just like vi or whatever editor you know. grub 2 is typically automatically configured and you don't actually seem to know what changes you need to make. Please, ask in #vmware -- they are much more likely to know how to install vmware than we. |
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| 19:33.53 | tonytraductor | well, they want you to edit the lilo.conf (you didn't really need emacs for that. nano or vim would have done fine) |
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| 19:34.19 | funyun | babilen: like i said, i don't need to install vmware. i just need to do everything before that |
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| 19:34.38 | mordocai_work | juhaj_: Windows admins do it! :P. Nah, truthfully i've not run into caching that stubborn before. I'll see if I can dig something up to help. |
| 19:34.48 | babilen | funyun: why are you doing it if you don't want to install vmware server? |
| 19:34.49 | juhaj_ | Bushmills: Depends on what is "interesting". It says swpd: 1842296, free: 35650, cache: 541388, some context switches, etc but none of them are over 50 |
| 19:35.02 | tonytraductor | ok, I'm getting the grub chainload thing |
| 19:35.06 | tonytraductor | and told it to chainload from legacy |
| 19:35.19 | juhaj_ | mordocai_work: I'd be thankful. Meanwhile, can I check for mmaped files somehow? |
| 19:35.22 | tonytraductor | and now it's asking me to verify that a line is correct from menu.lst, but the line shown is empty |
| 19:35.22 | funyun | babilen: because i can install vmware without any problems. the only thing standing in my way is this kernel/grub2 problem |
| 19:35.27 | tonytraductor | that doesn't seem too good |
| 19:36.14 | Bushmills | juhaj_: try vmstat -m |
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| 19:36.46 | babilen | funyun: I am suggesting that you ask them which changes are necessary for grub2. It might be that you are just lucke and that an "update-grub" is all you need though. |
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| 19:36.59 | pankajthegeek | unable to get package info updated in debian squeeze inside virtualbox . Any good mirrors for access from india |
| 19:37.44 | babilen | funyun: I am merely suggesting to ask the vendor of the product you are trying to install about how to do that. |
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| 19:38.14 | juhaj_ | Bushmills: slab? There is nothing that would catch my eye there. There used to be a problem with inode/dentry caches, but that was older kernel. There also used to be a problem with i915 making much memory SUnreclaim, but that's just 70M now, not 700M as it used to. |
| 19:38.45 | juhaj_ | Bushmills: Which lines of slabinfo were you interested in? |
| 19:38.47 | mordocai_work | pankajthegeek: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list. There is an india section with only two mirrors in it. You could check those two out. |
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| 19:38.59 | funyun | babilen: i understand that and i have tried. they told me to come here because my problem is not vmware related. it's a problem with my dedicated server kernel |
| 19:39.14 | Bushmills | those with large numbers. maybe ext3 inode cache, or extent buffers |
| 19:39.28 | funyun | babilen: i'll try update-grub |
| 19:39.32 | babilen | funyun: Come, join #vmware and ask there. It is quite a huge channel and if you need Debian specific help a few of them might use it or ask in here. I'll hang out in that channel for a while as well. |
| 19:39.54 | babilen | funyun: Ah, you might have mentioned that earlier. |
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| 19:41.36 | funyun | babilen: i'll try again |
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| 19:43.21 | babilen | funyun: I was not around in #vmware earlier and can't tell you what they need to know or not. I also don't know what is so special about your "dedicated server kernel" or how to install vmware. /me over and out |
| 19:44.05 | juhaj_ | Bushmills: There's nothing suspicious there. How big is "big"? |
| 19:44.10 | funyun | babilen: it's a custom kernel |
| 19:44.41 | Bushmills | juhaj_: awk '{total+=$3} END {print total}' < <(vmstat -m) # what does that say? watch the spaces. |
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| 19:45.03 | juhaj_ | Bushmills: You can have a look, if you like: http://pastebin.com/zDxQXpj1 |
| 19:45.09 | tonytraductor | I don't understand why it's telling him to use lynx to download stuff |
| 19:45.11 | tonytraductor | that's weird |
| 19:45.28 | tonytraductor | couldn't he just wget whatever it is he needs, without a browser (especially lynx)? |
| 19:45.32 | juhaj_ | Bushmills: awk says 437945 |
| 19:45.35 | trebuchet | Because it is safe and you can control the http headers easier. |
| 19:45.47 | Bushmills | nothing out of the ordinary |
| 19:45.53 | tonytraductor | I mean in reference to funyun's vmware isntructions there |
| 19:45.57 | SparFux | The hassle is, that the pppd tries to handle things on its own, and does not give control back to ifupdown so the admin has one place to configure e.g. which services are started on dial-in. |
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| 19:46.22 | tonytraductor | it would never occur to me to use lynx to download stuff. |
| 19:46.33 | tonytraductor | I guess you learn something new everyday |
| 19:46.36 | juhaj_ | Bushmills: It's not that having 500M of cache is bad. What is bad is it never frees more than about 450 MB of it. No matter how much memory pressure there is. |
| 19:46.38 | tonytraductor | or more like every 5 minutes in here |
| 19:46.49 | Bushmills | juhaj_: no idea. you might want to consider to graph mem use, like http://stats.scarydevilmonastery.net/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/memory-week.png - to find correlation between actions and cache use |
| 19:47.04 | SARC | Hello, I am having some trouble finding pam_krb5 |
| 19:47.05 | Bushmills | that's the mem use plugin from munin graphing that |
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| 19:51.23 | Bushmills | juhaj_: what does cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness say on your system? |
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| 19:52.58 | juhaj_ | Bushmills: There is no correlation, I've been following this already. The cache stays at >450MB constantly. It actually seems to slowly creep higher, but I am not sure of that. If I kill some memory hogs (kontact, iceweasel), the cache jumps to 800 MB (as expected by having more memory free - the "free" memory stays around 40 MB always, which is ok). But if I then try to use that 800 MB, only 350 of it ever gets freed and hellish swapping starts. |
| 19:53.25 | juhaj_ | Bushmills: I've tried swappiness from 0 to 101, with various values in between - no effect. Currently it's back to the defult 60 |
| 19:54.08 | Essobi | Hmm.. if your swap device slow? |
| 19:54.11 | Essobi | Is* |
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| 19:54.49 | Essobi | kdog: whatup |
| 19:55.09 | Essobi | Anyone running emebian? |
| 19:55.13 | Essobi | err |
| 19:55.18 | Essobi | emdebian? |
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| 20:01.03 | tonytraductor | never even heard of it |
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| 20:01.20 | tonytraductor | oh, embedded |
| 20:01.35 | stew | Essobi: try #emdebian on irc.debian.org |
| 20:01.38 | tonytraductor | they should have called it "Embedian" |
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| 20:02.34 | tonytraductor | whoa...looks like the upgrade is done...I will now reboot, and return to you, baptized in the shiny greatness that is SQUEEZE |
| 20:02.36 | Essobi | stew: roger that |
| 20:02.37 | tonytraductor | brb |
| 20:02.49 | RoozbehOnline | do we have debian 6.0 tomarrow ? |
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| 20:03.41 | stew | RoozbehOnline: the release process starts in a matter of hours. not sure if the process finishes tomorrow or sunday |
| 20:04.47 | RoozbehOnline | stew: great ! |
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| 20:06.44 | themill | stew: is there actually a published schedule somewhere? People are organising release parties on both saturday and sunday but i've seen nothing more concrete than the original email from Maulkin |
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| 20:07.24 | SparFux | How to get the ip adress from within an ifupdown ip-up.d script? |
| 20:07.35 | tonytraductor | d000oods...it's so BEAUTIFUL! What does it mean?! Squeeze...OMG..it's so beautiful! |
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| 20:08.22 | stew | themill: not that I've seen, other than brittney is already out of cron, ftp team starts at 1000-1100 utc |
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| 20:09.19 | stew | themill: when we are done we have release team check and sign off, then sledge starts building cds, which if it is anything like last time, will take many hours |
| 20:10.14 | themill | stew: ok... so not quite following the timings from lenny that are still at http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseTimetable |
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| 20:11.07 | soma6 | who use this bridge-wrapper script? http://wiki.debian.org/Xen#A.22networkbridgingforxen4.0withmultipleinterfaces.3A.22 |
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| 20:12.08 | themill | stew: I'm a little surprised that even the 10/11 UTC start didn't make it to d-d-a (or even d-d or d-release...). |
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| 20:13.20 | tonytraductor | I just feel SO MUCH LOVE right now! |
| 20:13.32 | tonytraductor | let's have one great debian family group hug! |
| 20:13.39 | tonytraductor | SQUEEZE IS BEAUTIFUL! |
| 20:13.40 | nikin | hy. i have to install a small server, and i wanted to wait for the squeeze release, but it turns out that i can not, as i have to finish this weekend. Is there a way to install squeeze now? So i have to just upgrade the things that changed in the last couple of days, on monday? |
| 20:13.46 | themill | !love tonytraductor |
| 20:13.46 | dpkg | makes love to tonytraductor, caressing tonytraductor's hair, whispering sweet nothings in tonytraductor's ear... |
| 20:13.55 | tonytraductor | :D |
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| 20:15.39 | stew | themill: *shrug*. i think the 10/11 was "what time is ftp-master waking up tomorrow" as much as anything |
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| 20:16.02 | stew | themill: i assume thatt will rougly be the order of events though. |
| 20:16.34 | themill | stew: yeah, and that's a quite fine way of deciding. No-one actually said whether the process would start on 5th or 6th though which is a bit odd. |
| 20:17.02 | mordocai_work | nikin: Yeah, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ (or the similar pages for other formats) will get you the latest snapshot of squeeze. |
| 20:17.51 | nikin | mordocai_work: thank you, and this will leave me with a plain squeeze after it gets released, right? |
| 20:18.37 | mordocai_work | nikin: As far as I know, as long as the sources.list says squeeze and NOT testing (which I believe is the default) that is how it will work. |
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| 20:20.19 | nikin | mordocai_work: thank you. And for a server install the first CD is enough? |
| 20:20.54 | mordocai_work | nikin: Yeah, the first cd will at least get you aptitude/apt-get and wired networking so you can get anything else you need |
| 20:21.12 | SparFux | would a dhclient enter hook be the right place to configure an ipv6 tunnel when ppp0 comes up? |
| 20:21.15 | nikin | mordocai_work: thank you. |
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| 20:23.59 | soma6 | SparFux write an ip-up.d script |
| 20:24.17 | soma6 | to etc/ppp/ip-up.d |
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| 20:25.03 | SparFux | soma6: then it is pppd specific. I'd like to have a solution which would also work when my computer sits behind a router. |
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| 20:25.22 | SparFux | soma6: on the other hand, hm... then the router would have to handle the tunnel, I guess. |
| 20:26.14 | funyun | i built a custom kernel image on a remote dedicated server with grub2. can anyone help me boot into it? |
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| 20:27.12 | soma6 | SparFux router handle the tunnel |
| 20:27.17 | soma6 | with radvd |
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| 20:27.25 | soma6 | for lan pcs |
| 20:28.48 | Essobi | SparFux: lolol... It's a small world. |
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| 20:29.20 | Essobi | stew: That channel isn't very active. |
| 20:30.23 | SparFux | soma6: ok, I only have a crap old wlan router which cannot do this. So I connect directly to the internet with pppd and thus I only need an ip-up script, you are right. |
| 20:30.32 | SparFux | Essobi: small world? |
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| 20:33.15 | Essobi | ... |
| 20:33.27 | Essobi | SparFux: lol |
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| 20:34.24 | bashext | I need to bootstrap a new system this weeekend, what's the diference between the today available squeeze installers, and the released these days ? |
| 20:34.28 | bashext | bug fixes ? |
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| 20:36.26 | jhutchins_lt | SparFux: Routers will often pass VPN traffic. |
| 20:36.35 | abrotman | bashext: hopefully it won't be much ... |
| 20:37.22 | jhutchins_lt | bashext: All the squeeze mirrors will be swamped due to the release tomorrow and Sunday. |
| 20:38.12 | bashext | nice to know it :) |
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| 20:39.07 | SparFux | jhutchins_lt: so? you think I should try setting up a vpn and do ipv6 tunneling over it? |
| 20:39.42 | jhutchins_lt | I wouldn't bother with ipv6, it'll only slow the link down. |
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| 20:49.12 | blinki | my exim4 segfaults continue |
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| 20:50.26 | jhutchins_lt | blinki: sid? |
| 20:50.57 | blinki | 5.0.8 |
| 20:51.23 | jhutchins_lt | blinki: Stock packages? |
| 20:51.36 | blinki | standard system install with freeswitch from git |
| 20:52.00 | blinki | exim4 points to a smarthost, works when invoked at the cli, delivers the emails that are generated with freeswitch from the cli |
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| 20:52.24 | blinki | but when it gets it directly from freeswitch it drops a segfault error 6 |
| 20:52.51 | jhutchins_lt | blinki: Hate to say it, but it's got to be something freeswitch is doing. |
| 20:53.00 | jhutchins_lt | blinki: Standard kernel? |
| 20:53.17 | blinki | yeah, all stock |
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| 20:53.33 | blinki | jhutchins_lt: they even have a wiki page about it -> http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Mod_voicemail#Exim4_settings |
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| 20:53.41 | jhutchins_lt | Could be some kind of memory conflict. It _might_ be worthwhile to run a memcheck sesssion on it. |
| 20:55.27 | jhutchins_lt | You might be able to catch something by bumping up exim's log level. |
| 20:57.30 | blinki | I'm doing that, and running fs in strace now |
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| 21:06.29 | Gryllida | ZNC in the repo is out of date. What can I do to apt-get install a newer version? |
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| 21:08.43 | stew | Gryllida: what version do you have now? |
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| 21:11.26 | Gryllida | stew, Debian lenny ; the ZNC repo version is 0.058-2+lenny4 while latest is 0.96 or something like that. |
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| 21:18.22 | macrobat | ,versions znc |
| 21:18.24 | judd | Package znc on i386 -- lenny: 0.058-2+lenny4; lenny-security: 0.058-2+lenny4; lenny-backports: 0.092-3~bpo50+1; sid: 0.092-3; squeeze: 0.092-3; experimental: 0.096-1 |
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| 21:23.03 | Essobi | :\ |
| 21:23.16 | Essobi | emdebian is dead. :\ |
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| 21:30.26 | stew | Gryllida: "/msg dpkg bdo" to get the 'lenny-backports' version from judd above, or consider upgrading to squeeze (which is going to be released this weekend) |
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| 21:49.02 | ma3x | hi, i scanned 10 times with badblocks in non-destructive mode and it found a lot of bad blocks. next thing i scanned with badblocks in destructive read-write mode and it destroyed the file system and the partition, i recreated it and next thing i know ... i scanned 10 times it doesn't find bad blocks anymore. can anyone explain? |
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| 21:51.47 | jelly-home | ma3x: an ATA (IDE or SATA) disk? |
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| 21:53.56 | jelly-home | ma3x: sound like the writes triggered http://www.google.com/search?q=sector+reallocation+OR+reassignment+ATA |
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| 21:58.46 | ma3x | jelly-home: sata |
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| 21:59.39 | ma3x | jelly-home: if the sector allocation occured, badblocks won't list the bad sectors after the reallocation? |
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| 22:00.29 | jelly-home | yes. they'd have been reallocated and spare sectors are now used instead |
| 22:00.45 | jelly-home | details are outside of the scope of #debian |
| 22:00.46 | wildc4rd | evenin' |
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| 22:06.35 | oOarthurOo | I must be doing something silly, because I've run mixed systems before without difficulty using pinning instructions for /etc/apt/preferences... but now it wants to upgrade my system to experimental! Here is my sources.list and preferences file if someone can help my tired eyes find the silly mistake http://pastebin.com/Rvgs56QG |
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| 22:08.42 | doomster__ | greetings! |
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| 22:10.32 | doomster | Are there any usable PC-emulators/VMs than can be run on an Intel Atom330 CPU? |
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| 22:14.48 | Gryllida | stew, awwww nice thanks, i'll try squeeze, how do I update now? |
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| 22:22.05 | Nussi | Hello. I've made an apt-get upgrade, and since then, kde keeps bugging me about restarting. This is not acceptable, as it pops into fullscreen strategy games, where such things are absolutely uncomely. |
| 22:22.12 | Nussi | I am wondering how to make it stop forever. |
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| 22:22.21 | Nussi | Not just now. For the future as well. |
| 22:22.37 | Nussi | Might be I upgrade in the background and, for some reason, won't restart immediately. |
| 22:23.12 | jelly-home | Nussi: which debian release are you using, and which desktop environment? |
| 22:23.22 | jelly-home | oh, you said kde already |
| 22:23.31 | Bushmills | sounds like something you could accomplish by closing the games, then saving the session |
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| 22:23.58 | Nussi | Let's say I play during upgrades and the game goes on beyond the completion of the upgrading process. |
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| 22:25.01 | mikunos | hi guys, how have I checking which ports iptables is blocking? |
| 22:25.15 | Nussi | Or imagine one is working on something and doesn't want to stop immediately for some restart. Depending on what one is doing, it might be very annoying for the notification to pop into the working area. |
| 22:25.37 | jelly-home | Nussi: again, which debian release are you using? |
| 22:25.42 | Nussi | Squeeze :o |
| 22:25.49 | Bushmills | mikunos: you should cjeck which ports iptables allows to access, and assume (and setup) the rest to be closed |
| 22:25.55 | doomster | mikunos: you could ask it (man iptables) or e.g. run nmap on the according host |
| 22:25.55 | Nussi | I was rather wondering whether there is something in KDE to disable it. |
| 22:26.12 | mikunos | ok guys |
| 22:26.12 | Bushmills | mikunos: iptables -nvL to see the active rules |
| 22:26.13 | Nussi | Things are rather hidden in that thing sometimes. =\ |
| 22:27.06 | jelly-home | yeah, I don't know where that reboot notification comes from either; it appears after upgrading or installing a kernel image package and some other stuff |
| 22:27.12 | jelly-home | it's not well thought out |
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| 22:27.32 | mikunos | this is my iptables http://pastie.org/1529743 |
| 22:27.32 | jelly-home | (I don't want to say "badly imported Ubuntu feature") |
| 22:27.46 | Nussi | KDE ought to have something to prevent this. Other software could do something like that as well, unasked. |
| 22:27.59 | mikunos | I don't understand how I have set the tftp |
| 22:28.11 | jelly-home | or you can give in, reboot and continue playing |
| 22:28.26 | mikunos | I have set the eth1 to accept the request to the port 69 |
| 22:28.49 | mikunos | but it is not sufficent |
| 22:29.07 | mikunos | the tftp goes on timeout |
| 22:29.17 | mikunos | any suggestion? |
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| 22:30.06 | Nussi | jelly-home: Unfortunately, the game is not stable these days when it comes to focus shifts. It sometimes crashes when the focus changes, including when things pop into it. It is a competitive multiplayer game. No matter what happens, pop ups might just cover a target area or whatever, it may not happen. |
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| 22:30.53 | doomster | Nussi: you can control what software runs on your system |
| 22:31.05 | Nussi | doomster: Truth be told. |
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| 22:31.15 | doomster | you could install a plain windowmanager instead of a full desktop-environment |
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| 22:31.45 | Nussi | Yeah, absolutely. |
| 22:31.46 | jelly-home | doomster: in truth, he IS asking which part of KDE is responsible for the popup notifications |
| 22:31.48 | doomster | use that for gaming, it might even free up a few resources for another two FPSs ;) |
| 22:32.00 | Nussi | I do not play FPS games. |
| 22:32.13 | doomster | Frames Per Second |
| 22:32.18 | doomster | not First Person Shooter |
| 22:32.30 | jelly-home | shoots frames into doomster |
| 22:32.34 | Nussi | xD |
| 22:32.36 | doomster | (= |
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| 22:33.24 | Nussi | And, "which part of KDE"... since KDE4, one is left wondering whether there are any "parts" to speak of. :x |
| 22:34.03 | Nussi | Maybe there is some notification daemon I could simply shoot to the moon or something. I'll have to see. |
| 22:34.28 | doomster | I remember when I found a dozen mysql processes running because I started a filemanager... |
| 22:34.34 | Nussi | xP |
| 22:35.14 | doomster | on the other hand I shouldn't be running a 5+ year old computer... |
| 22:35.57 | Nussi | And on the other hand, it was likely just mysql parallelizing. Still, sqlite 'd probably be the more formidable choice for a standalone filemanager. |
| 22:36.01 | Bushmills | right, those recent models are much too powerful |
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| 22:37.39 | mikunos | any help? |
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| 23:40.59 | locojay | hi would like to benk to debian server what bash tool should i use? |
| 23:41.11 | locojay | to bench cpu / mem / disk ... |
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| 23:42.51 | locojay | thnks |
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