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| 00:18.36 | zach23 | not recommended to upgrade a lenny box to squeeze (since it's not out but I want to get the update done during the weekend) |
| 00:19.05 | daemonkeeper | Was there a question? |
| 00:19.17 | zach23 | haha - sorry was meant to put a ? at the end of that |
| 00:19.37 | zach23 | in other words can i get a head start? |
| 00:19.54 | themill | yes. nothing is likely to change between now and tomorrow |
| 00:19.57 | daemonkeeper | Should be safe |
| 00:20.12 | zach23 | are there any pages which outlines how to upgrade? |
| 00:20.22 | daemonkeeper | Release Notes? |
| 00:20.34 | themill | dpkg: tell zach23 about lenny->squeeze |
| 00:20.41 | zach23 | ah thanks |
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| 00:24.45 | *** topic/#debian by themill -> squeeze release this weekend: /msg dpkg squeeze; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze | lenny (5.0.8) /msg dpkg 5.0.8 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | FAQ: http://bit.ly/DebFAQ | channel logs: http://bit.ly/DebFNDLog |
| 00:25.01 | dvs | yay |
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| 00:26.51 | stew | dpkg: squeeze pool 2 =~ s/!/! stew=2010-02-05/ |
| 00:26.52 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 00:27.04 | abrotman | cheater! |
| 00:27.07 | zach23 | probably best to install firmware-linux-nonfree right? just in case? especially if box is remote |
| 00:27.09 | stew | no, for realz |
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| 00:28.42 | themill | heh |
| 00:29.08 | themill | !squeeze pool 2 |
| 00:29.08 | dpkg | ! stew=2010-02-05 hid3=2011-02-05 tech13=2011-01-28 otzi=2011-03-17 peterrooney=2011-02-08=2011-02-08 Maulkin=2011-02-14 chealer=2011-04-15 |
| 00:29.20 | themill | I'm slightly disturbed that Maulkin didn't win... |
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| 00:37.53 | zach23 | crap. |
| 00:37.58 | zach23 | my box didnt come back up |
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| 00:38.39 | daemonkeeper | How come? |
| 00:38.53 | zach23 | oh it did - just took forever..phew..it's a colo |
| 00:39.03 | zach23 | okay squeeze running |
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| 00:41.05 | daemonkeeper | Make sure you have squeeze (the name) in your sources.list, not testing. |
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| 00:43.33 | zach23 | yes i have squeeze :) |
| 00:43.59 | zach23 | so now I am doing apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:44.04 | zach23 | so do i use aptitude or apt-get? |
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| 00:45.48 | daemonkeeper | zach23: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#pkgmgmt |
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| 00:53.53 | myrawbin | Hello. :) |
| 00:53.57 | myrawbin | It's about iptable rules, I'm running PPTPD and routing all traffic with nat trough eth0 to access internet with pptp-clients. But I also want to use eth0:0 for irssi in my shell. It keeps using eth0, and not eth0:0. I'm running command irssi -h ip. |
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| 00:56.53 | xuser | daemonkeeper: is that saying that apt-get is better for scripting? |
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| 00:57.51 | daemonkeeper | xuser: No, they say you should use aptitude if you want a (menu driven) interactive behaviour, e.g. as replacement to dselect |
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| 00:58.04 | daemonkeeper | xuser: Just type aptitude <enter> to see what I mean |
| 00:58.09 | toad_ | what's the opposite of hexdump? |
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| 00:59.02 | xuser | daemonkeeper: I don't think interactive there means visual mode |
| 00:59.18 | ws2k3 | hello guys |
| 00:59.26 | ws2k3 | i try to startup screen en and run an program |
| 00:59.32 | ws2k3 | this is the command line: screen -A -m -d bash -c './cod4_28961 +set ui_maxclients 64 +set sv_punkbuster 1 +set net_port 28961 +set fs_game promodlive +exec cfg.cfg +set sv_hostname test ^1by FreeGameHosting.tk +set sv_allowdownload 1 +set sv_maxclients 16 +set rcon_password test +set g_gametype sd +set scr_war_timelimit 10 +set scr_dm_timelimit 10 +set g_password war +map mp_crash' |
| 00:59.47 | ws2k3 | when i push enter i get a emty rule and nother happens |
| 01:00.19 | daemonkeeper | xuser: Well maybe someone knows better, but I think that means it. |
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| 01:20.24 | Bushmills | toad_: like, outputting chars from their asciis? |
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| 01:21.28 | ahimza | is this channel alive? |
| 01:21.31 | Bushmills | or. reading a string of hex numbers, and storing their binary representation in memory? |
| 01:22.05 | Bushmills | no. channels are just the containers, and as such no living entities |
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| 01:22.41 | ahimza | haha this is my first time at irc, so im looking around |
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| 01:23.29 | Bushmills | be aware that your comments are visible on a topic oriented channel with about 1000 people on |
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| 01:24.27 | ahimza | ok, i will be carefull |
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| 01:25.04 | maurer_ | So, I have a library that I want to install which is not packaged by debian |
| 01:25.22 | maurer_ | I don't care about all the fancy portability nonsense, I just want to be able to remove the library later if necessary |
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| 01:25.42 | maurer_ | Is there a good way to build a deb out of it without having to manually edit lots of things? |
| 01:25.44 | daemonkeeper | maurer_: Maybe you are looking for checkinstall |
| 01:25.54 | Bushmills | what the packaged install script does, is anybodies guess |
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| 01:26.24 | maurer_ | Bushmills: It's an automake based build, but doing dh_make followed by dpkg-buildpackage, which I've done in the past, fails |
| 01:26.55 | daemonkeeper | maurer_: As said, try checkinstall. All you need is an "install" target in a makefile. |
| 01:27.22 | daemonkeeper | Out of that you will get a fancy deb (not _that_ fancy actually, but enough to satisfy your request) |
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| 01:27.45 | daemonkeeper | ahimza: Also, please realize that IRC tends to have a large idle user base with people commenting from time to time across different time zones. |
| 01:28.11 | maddog | I can mount a USB flash drive using the command: mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /media However if I try to use fstab in order to auto-mount ... boot log says /dev/sdb1 does not exist ???? |
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| 01:30.09 | dvs | maddog: did you use the "noauto" option? |
| 01:30.18 | abrotman | maurer_: there is stow and checkinstall |
| 01:30.25 | Bushmills | maddog: i wonder whether usb_storage is already loaded when mount -a mounts all auto fstab devices |
| 01:30.55 | maurer_ | checkinstall does not seem to have packaged the header files, which are key. |
| 01:31.11 | maurer_ | I guess I can try stow. |
| 01:31.17 | daemonkeeper | maurer_: Ate those included in the install target? |
| 01:31.25 | daemonkeeper | *Are |
| 01:31.36 | maurer_ | daemonkeeper: If I run make install, I get them. If I install the deb on a similarly configured system, I do not. |
| 01:32.10 | maddog | the command in fstab was: /dev/sdb1 /media ext3 defaults 0 0 |
| 01:32.23 | amphi | maurer_: perhaps it makes a -dev package also? |
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| 01:32.40 | maurer_ | Oh, I may have made a mistake and grabbed the one from dpkg-buildpackage, onesec |
| 01:33.00 | daemonkeeper | maurer_: That's odd. checkinstall just creates a chroot where it grabs all the files the install target puts there |
| 01:33.07 | Bushmills | maddog: try to execute mount -a from /etc/rc.local |
| 01:33.22 | maurer_ | daemonkeeper: See above. I may have made a mistake, I'm checking over it now |
| 01:33.56 | maurer_ | Worked, thanks all. |
| 01:34.21 | maddog | thank you for the advice Bushmills |
| 01:34.52 | Bushmills | don't thank me before there's any result |
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| 01:35.38 | Bushmills | i'm just stabbing in the dark with that suggestion |
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| 01:45.17 | maddog | I'm afraid your stab missed Bushmills |
| 01:46.19 | maddog | The idea here is mount /home on the flash drive to avoid writes to the SSD drive |
| 01:46.37 | Bushmills | redirect from the same file output of fdisk -l to a temp file, look whether the flash drive shows in that file |
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| 01:48.29 | pipeline | maddog: modern flash doesn't really have a meaningful lifespan, write as much as you want |
| 01:48.37 | pipeline | maddog: the only reason to "minimize" writes is performance :P |
| 01:48.44 | pipeline | maddog: ssds are smart, thumb drives are dumb |
| 01:49.04 | Bushmills | i killed the internal flash of my network relatively quickly |
| 01:49.40 | Bushmills | netbook .. |
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| 01:51.11 | maddog | sorry duty calls, my greyhound is giving me that look ... get your priorities straight fool I gotta go. (thanks again) |
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| 01:51.34 | gp5st1 | using openssl, is there a way to tell if a file encrypted with a symetric cipher was decrypted correctly? |
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| 01:53.08 | abrotman | there is a #openssl if anyone is awake |
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| 02:12.31 | r\wWORLD | will squeeze include the kfreebsd kernel in the installer ? |
| 02:13.28 | abrotman | in the kfreebsd installer one would presume ... |
| 02:13.39 | abrotman | there's a kfreebsd channel on irc.oftc.net |
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| 02:18.42 | SARC | Hello. I am having trouble with kinit. Anyone have experience with this? |
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| 02:29.22 | Romulas | hi |
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| 05:55.23 | zach23 | stew: thank you, going through the packages... after the ~o packages are gone, anything else I can do? |
| 05:56.40 | zach23 | just apt-get remove each one? |
| 05:57.50 | stew | zach23: if you want to remove them all you can just "aptitude remove '~o'" |
| 05:58.06 | zach23 | it's not damaging right? well it will warn me |
| 05:58.53 | zach23 | that's it - done...anything else...? |
| 05:58.57 | stew | zach23: these are packages that aren't in squeeze. you should only have a problem doing that if you need packages not coming from debian |
| 05:58.58 | zach23 | to clean up the system a bit |
| 05:59.48 | stew | zach23: dunno. i suppose you could "aptitude search '~c'" to look at packages which were removed but still might have conffile left behind |
| 05:59.54 | stew | but now we are getting nit-picky |
| 06:00.44 | zach23 | yes and what can i do about those - 81 returned... |
| 06:01.04 | zach23 | how can i remove all their files? |
| 06:01.11 | stew | zach23: you could purge them |
| 06:01.53 | stew | zach23: but just note that they are kept around in case you want to reinstall them and keep the configuration they way you used to have it, if that might matter for any of the packages |
| 06:01.57 | zach23 | this is what confuses me...when I remove a package, I do apt-get remove .... - so this keeps conffiles as opposed to purge? |
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| 06:02.16 | stew | zach23: exactly |
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| 06:03.02 | zach23 | stew: well like linux-image-2.6.25-2-686-bigmem, I don't need anymore and it's already removed |
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| 06:04.18 | stew | zach23: many of them (like that one) will probably not have any conffiles anyway |
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| 06:06.44 | zach23 | stew: thank you very much |
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| 06:08.39 | zach23 | stew: okay awesome - the server rebooted and all seems well now |
| 06:08.40 | eirikb | Hello. Adding eval `ssh-agent` to .bashrc is a normal approach to get ssh-agent to work automatically? (Now I can run ssh-add whenever I want to 'open' my key) |
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| 06:11.42 | SuperMiguel | if i want to run a web server on my personal computer, i should do it on a virtual machine for security purposes right? |
| 06:11.46 | SuperMiguel | or it doesnt matter? |
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| 06:14.38 | rigved | SuperMiguel: yes...and using a VM ensures that you can easily control the amount space and RAM that the users of the server use |
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| 06:23.43 | Garda | hey guys |
| 06:23.56 | Garda | anyone know when debian 6 is coming out |
| 06:24.02 | Garda | last i heard it was this weekend |
| 06:24.58 | beford | /topic |
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| 06:27.26 | rigved | Garda: it been like that since Christmas...but just so that you know, the delay is for the better so that you get the best |
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| 07:25.58 | Adalid_Negro | hola |
| 07:26.01 | Adalid_Negro | hi |
| 07:26.41 | Essobi | Anyone using debian on ARM? |
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| 07:30.26 | nevyn | !anyone |
| 07:30.26 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 08:03.22 | Some_Person | Bop: I do occasionally |
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| 08:10.26 | Parsifal | The release coverage on https://identi.ca/debian has started, for anyone not already following it. |
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| 08:11.49 | grim | i'm making a package to be able to setup lighttpd for me (across multiple machines) but I can't get lintian to quit complaining about me creating dir's under /srv. I've add debian/source/lintian-overrides with "$packagename binary: dir-or-file-in-srv" but it keeps complaining, any thoughts? |
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| 08:12.37 | hid3 | Morning everyone. |
| 08:12.51 | hid3 | Has squeeze already released? |
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| 08:13.46 | sterna | i think the topic would have reflected |
| 08:13.58 | hid3 | topic is kinda strange |
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| 08:44.13 | TurboEgg | watch this hilarious moron http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAN4EfIPpkQ |
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| 08:47.09 | testeer | i have nvidia fx5900. installed nvidia 173 driver. Crashes my xorg. lspci -v tells me the capabilities of my nvidia is "access denied" why would it say that? |
| 08:47.36 | testeer | here's my output of lspci -v http://pastebin.com/qdhRPSxr |
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| 08:58.37 | schu | hey there. i got a debian server running postfix, apache and mysql and it seems like i'm past a load of 80 or more, can't login or administer with webmin anymore. is there a certain load limit when the will reboot or will it just freeze and i'll need to contact the ISP to reboot it? |
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| 08:59.01 | karlpinc_ | I just upgraded to squeeze and my console fonts are _tiny_. |
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| 08:59.28 | karlpinc_ | I tried dpkg-reconfigure console-settings (iirc) but it didn't seem to help. |
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| 09:00.24 | karlpinc_ | (console-setup it was) |
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| 09:08.20 | johntramp | hi. can any of you suggest how i could send a libnotify to another pc over lan? |
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| 09:11.13 | johntramp | i have tried `ssh 10.0.0.200 notify-send hello` but that doesnt work |
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| 09:14.10 | cahoot | http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/DBus%20notify-send%20over%20network.htm |
| 09:14.22 | johntramp | format_c: i think i have it sorted, i had to DISPLAY=:0 so it put it in a one line script and called that instead |
| 09:15.02 | johntramp | thanks cahoot , that should help too |
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| 09:18.26 | johntramp | cool, got it all working well now. cheers |
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| 09:40.09 | delby | hi. i am setting up squeeze with xmonad, starting with a base install and adding from there. xmonad depends on x11-utils which depends on x11-common. should i just install xorg prior to installing xmonad or will the x11 packages installed with xmonad be enough? |
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| 09:40.56 | krion | delby: are you using aptitude ? |
| 09:41.05 | delby | yes |
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| 09:42.35 | stew | delby: you need xorg, those packages are not enough, the order that you install stuff doesn't matter |
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| 09:43.14 | delby | so generally, whenever i need x, i should install xorg rather than just x11? |
| 09:43.29 | babilen | delby: It shouldn't really matter as xmonad will most certainly pull in all the needed dependencies. I, however, would still setup Xorg first, because I see it as a different entity and should not only be present on the system because xmonad wants it. That can be fixed with a "aptitude unmarkauto" run though too ... But the "just install xmonad" approach feels like running "aptitude install gedit" after a fresh install to pull in a bunch of packages. |
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| 09:44.10 | babilen | delby: Ah, and it does not even pull in all the dependencies. ;) |
| 09:44.33 | delby | xorg it is then :) |
| 09:44.38 | delby | thanks all |
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| 09:46.54 | stew | xmonad (and other x clients) wouldn't pull in the x server, just enough to run on one machine talking to an x server on another machine |
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| 09:47.23 | babilen | yeah, i just checked that |
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| 09:52.03 | wp | its about to be released now eh? :) |
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| 09:52.45 | hamid | waiting for good news |
| 09:53.11 | pinoyoragon | I'm planning to setup a domain controller / authentication server for our university with 2000 users. SAMBA or LDAP? |
| 09:53.16 | stew | yes, we've just started the process, but its a long process |
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| 09:53.31 | wp | all mirrors need to sync as well i guess |
| 09:54.35 | stew | yes, that's hours away, and that sync takes between hours and days depending on the mirror |
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| 09:55.52 | babilen | wp: http://identi.ca/debian/ |
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| 09:56.33 | wp | yeah, i saw it on twitter too (seems similar) :) |
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| 10:07.06 | akkark | put on his release pants |
| 10:07.38 | JordiGH | enjoys watching the play-by-play: http://identi.ca/debian |
| 10:07.49 | hamid_ | :D i love this moment |
| 10:09.30 | JordiGH | Last time Debian was in labour for 21 hours. |
| 10:09.31 | JordiGH | paces nervously, disheveled, smoking compulsively. |
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| 10:11.24 | *** topic/#debian by stew -> squeeze release in progress: http://identi.ca/debian/ ; /msg dpkg squeeze; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze | lenny (5.0.8) /msg dpkg 5.0.8 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | FAQ: http://bit.ly/DebFAQ | channel logs: http://bit.ly/DebFNDLog |
| 10:11.51 | stew | topicdiff s/this weekend/in progress/ ; add identi.ca url |
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| 10:12.53 | vieq | Hello, if I was running Debian-testing will I have to do an upgrade or testing means always NOT Stable? |
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| 10:13.13 | JordiGH | vieq: You're gonna see a horrible jump in your packages. |
| 10:13.18 | vieq | I mean, are Stable the only ones that do have upgrades? |
| 10:13.30 | JordiGH | vieq: If you want to stay with squeeze, put "squeeze" in your sources.list, not "testing". |
| 10:13.30 | vieq | JordiGH: did not fully understand that |
| 10:13.42 | stew | vieq: if you have "testing" in sources.list you stay with testing when testing becomes wheezy, if you have "squeeze" in sources.list you go to stable when squeeze becomes stable |
| 10:13.50 | JordiGH | vieq: You're gonna see huge breakage for a while after release if you full-upgrade right away. |
| 10:14.11 | vieq | stew: gotcha |
| 10:14.18 | vieq | cool then |
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| 10:14.32 | stew | vieq: testing will get thousands of new packages later today, running testing right after a release can be a little bumpy for the first few weeks/months |
| 10:14.56 | vieq | stew: no no, I am asking what if I was running testing all the time |
| 10:14.57 | JordiGH | It's all part of the show. |
| 10:15.05 | vieq | not moving from stable to testing or etc |
| 10:15.12 | MaDSeN | w00t squueze is coming?? |
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| 10:15.26 | stew | vieq: yes, i know. and testing will get thousands of new packages today |
| 10:15.27 | JordiGH | vieq: You *are* gonna move from stable to testing if your sources say "testing". |
| 10:15.39 | vieq | MaDSeN: it's only a day away, hope so |
| 10:15.50 | MaDSeN | rock on |
| 10:15.50 | JordiGH | vieq: Since current testing, as of this minute, is becoming stable. |
| 10:15.51 | MaDSeN | nice |
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| 10:16.02 | vieq | JordiGH: gotcha |
| 10:16.24 | JordiGH | And testing right after release... is a mess. |
| 10:16.37 | vieq | is not there any will to develop something like yum-presto? |
| 10:16.47 | vieq | or I mean an ongoing process? |
| 10:16.53 | JordiGH | vieq: CUT. |
| 10:16.59 | JordiGH | It's in the books post-squeeze. |
| 10:17.00 | JordiGH | !cut |
| 10:17.00 | dpkg | [cut] an utility to remove sections from each line of files, part of <coreutils>, or "constantly usable testing", ask me about <debian cut>. |
| 10:17.08 | JordiGH | !debian cut |
| 10:17.08 | dpkg | CUT is "constantly usable testing", a proposal to make a rolling branch of Debian. See the proposal: http://lwn.net/Articles/406301/ and the discussion: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/09/msg00502.html |
| 10:17.27 | vieq | JordiGH: super cool |
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| 10:29.13 | mongrol | hmm, very quiet here. I must be lagged |
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| 10:29.33 | JordiGH | We're all just too busy biting our fingernails in silent suspense. |
| 10:29.42 | MaDSeN | hehe yearh |
| 10:29.55 | MaDSeN | im excited.. |
| 10:30.00 | MaDSeN | for one... |
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| 10:30.33 | JordiGH | The oldstable repo seems nearing complete... |
| 10:30.35 | JordiGH | Oh, it's done. |
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| 10:31.03 | JordiGH | Okay, now they're moving testing to stable... http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseTimetable |
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| 10:32.51 | valkyrie | unstable->testing->stable->phase-out |
| 10:33.01 | valkyrie | is anything changed? |
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| 10:33.25 | JordiGH | lenny just got moved to oldstable. |
| 10:33.38 | stew | copied not moved |
| 10:33.42 | stew | but whatever |
| 10:33.50 | valkyrie | the unstable is called sid forever, afaik |
| 10:34.00 | JordiGH | Yes, that's true. |
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| 10:34.53 | mongrol | bye lenny |
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| 10:35.11 | JordiGH | I wonder how do the release managers coordinate this, are they all logged into the same tmux session? |
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| 10:35.30 | valkyrie | sigh*, time waits no human |
| 10:35.45 | JordiGH | Or are they physically in the same room performing the surgery? |
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| 10:36.17 | stew | JordiGH: the release manaagers are just wacthing ftp-team. ftp-master has screen sessions that are logging that many of us are tailing |
| 10:36.52 | JordiGH | Aw, I wish I could see those screen sessions. Is that a DD privilege? |
| 10:37.34 | d1b | is it out? |
| 10:37.40 | d1b | is squeeze out? |
| 10:37.42 | stew | JordiGH: no ftp-master box is very limited, not all DDs, basically ftp-team and release team |
| 10:38.00 | JordiGH | d1b: It's just started. It'll take a while. |
| 10:38.14 | JordiGH | stew: I didn't know you were on those teams. |
| 10:38.20 | d1b | JordiGH: awesome |
| 10:38.21 | dsm | exciting times |
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| 10:38.43 | stew | JordiGH: http://ftp-master.debian.org/#ftpteam :) |
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| 10:39.01 | akkark | get yourselves blank cdr btw |
| 10:39.28 | d1b | :P |
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| 10:40.53 | hamid_ | dsm, yeah :| |
| 10:41.18 | d1b | is there an irc room for the party :P |
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| 10:43.35 | JordiGH | d1b: #debian-release in OFTC, but it's a srs bsns place. |
| 10:43.44 | JordiGH | I think this channel is as festive as it gets. |
| 10:44.01 | sweetandy | so when should I change my sources.list from squeeze to wheezy? |
| 10:44.15 | sweetandy | I'm just about sick and tired of all this stability |
| 10:44.27 | JordiGH | sweetandy: When you think you're ready for some real excitement. |
| 10:44.32 | dsm | sweetandy: why not just change it to testing |
| 10:44.35 | d1b | JordiGH: doh! |
| 10:44.37 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
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| 10:44.44 | d1b | Thermi: :P |
| 10:44.47 | d1b | themill: :P |
| 10:44.52 | sweetandy | Oh come now, wheezy won't be that unstable at all |
| 10:45.16 | d1b | wheezy released in < 2 years next time :P ? |
| 10:45.20 | JordiGH | sweetandy: If you enjoy riding mechanical bulls and skydiving, you could just use "testing" right now. |
| 10:45.38 | sweetandy | testing is uber-stable |
| 10:45.40 | JordiGH | sweetandy: After release, testing is a huge mess. It takes a while to become stabler. |
| 10:45.52 | babilen | sweetandy: testing is by definition *not* stable |
| 10:45.55 | d1b | ride it out on stable for a while |
| 10:45.55 | sweetandy | stable is a rock |
| 10:46.10 | sweetandy | babilen, no, *unstable* is by definition not stable |
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| 10:46.28 | babilen | sweetandy: unstable is, just like testing, not stable. yes. |
| 10:46.28 | sweetandy | aka sid |
| 10:46.30 | JordiGH | sweetandy: And testing is gonna be a wild ride for a while after release. Don't believe us if you don't want to, but looks like you like living on the edge. |
| 10:46.53 | sweetandy | testing and unstable are so closely related, their only measurable difference is that testing is stable |
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| 10:47.07 | sweetandy | ;) |
| 10:47.07 | babilen | sweetandy: it is *not* stable |
| 10:47.10 | themill | sweetandy: err, no. testing is by no definition of the word "stable" |
| 10:47.12 | babilen | !tell sweetandy -about stable |
| 10:47.19 | dsm | I usually wait until just before testing gets frozen |
| 10:47.25 | sweetandy | I forgot, Debian has an absurdly wonderful definition of stable |
| 10:47.30 | JordiGH | sweetandy: whatever, do what you want, but at least listen to how testing is gonna be a wild ride after release. |
| 10:47.33 | dsm | ... and run stable the rest of the time |
| 10:47.38 | babilen | sweetandy: You seem to have a different understanding of "stable" -- quite common misunderstanding though |
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| 10:47.55 | sweetandy | stable == unchanging |
| 10:48.02 | babilen | more or less, yes |
| 10:48.17 | valkyrie | really? including backports? |
| 10:48.32 | JordiGH | sweetandy: All the packages that were frozen in unstable are gonna come crashing down to testing after the release. And they're gonna hate each other for a while, a few weeks to a couple of months. |
| 10:48.34 | babilen | valkyrie: backports are backports, not stable. |
| 10:48.37 | valkyrie | and security fixes? |
| 10:48.43 | valkyrie | oh |
| 10:49.03 | Thermi | d1b: :p |
| 10:49.03 | sweetandy | JordiGH, that's very helpful actually, thanks. I'll keep that in mind |
| 10:49.07 | babilen | valkyrie: exactly, stable except for carefully backported security fixes. |
| 10:49.19 | dsm | That is why I use release names in sources.list instead of "testing" |
| 10:49.19 | JordiGH | sweetandy: I had to say it like four different times before you listened, you stubborn brute. :-/ |
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| 10:49.26 | sweetandy | time to forwardport |
| 10:49.34 | babilen | dsm: Good choice :) |
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| 10:52.08 | tempore_lucem | Morning Kids, need to pick your brains about something: I've just started a job as IT coordinator at a local office. Said office is using a copy of Novell SBS from 1999 and I'm trying to replace it with a Linux-based Open Source equivalent for handling Single Sign-On logins etc. Can this be done? And if so, how? I've looked at Samba and OpenLDAP and don't seem to be getting anywhere. What about Kerberos? |
| 10:52.55 | JordiGH | tempore_lucem: Last time I had to do this, I used yp and NFS. Is that too piratical for your taste? |
| 10:53.05 | valkyrie | so, do you remain your noble tastes? |
| 10:53.40 | valkyrie | in old days, the internet is for people who think they are nobles |
| 10:53.44 | tempore_lucem | yp == NIS, right? |
| 10:53.53 | JordiGH | Ah, yes, they renamed it NIS. |
| 10:54.12 | tempore_lucem | JordiGH: I'll have a look, thanks |
| 10:54.27 | valkyrie | nis? it's so familar |
| 10:54.45 | JordiGH | tempore_lucem: Those two are pretty easy to set up, but I think they're not as paranoid/complex as AFS and Kerberos. |
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| 10:55.02 | ansgar | JordiGH: NIS can do single sign-on? I though it just distributes password databases etc. |
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| 10:55.21 | JordiGH | Does single sign-on not mean what I think it does? |
| 10:55.55 | ansgar | JordiGH: `With this property a user logs in once and gains access to all systems without being prompted to log in again at each of them.' (Wikipedia) |
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| 10:56.13 | JordiGH | Yeah, I read that. I guess I don't get how it works. |
| 10:56.19 | dsm | So, anybody want to start making predictions on when wheezy will be released ? |
| 10:56.22 | ansgar | E.g. only get asked for password by gdm and use the Kerberos token to access IMAP, Web pages, ... as well. |
| 10:56.33 | JordiGH | dsm: December 2012. |
| 10:57.00 | dsm | Well, it is meant to be frozen this December |
| 10:57.03 | JordiGH | ansgar: So if there are several terminals, how does that work? You sign into one of them, and how do you authenticate to the others? |
| 10:57.20 | JordiGH | dsm: Those predictions are always at least 4 months early. |
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| 10:57.27 | valkyrie | the world will be ended at 12/24/2012 |
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| 10:57.51 | JordiGH | I mean, physical terminals. |
| 10:57.55 | JordiGH | Like different machines. |
| 10:58.11 | safinaskar | !ru |
| 10:58.12 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here. |
| 10:58.15 | safinaskar | !de |
| 10:58.15 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 10:58.25 | ansgar | JordiGH: With Kerberos, when you enter your password, you get a ticket (with limited lifetime) that can be used to authenticate to other services. |
| 10:58.47 | JordiGH | ansgar: So if I stand up, walk to another machine, and sit down, how does this machine know I have a ticket? |
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| 10:59.13 | ansgar | JordiGH: It does not. |
| 10:59.23 | JordiGH | So that's not what single sign-on means? |
| 11:00.01 | tempore_lucem | JordiGH: I think Single Sign-On refers to a system whereby a single user can log in at any number of workstations using the same credentials and access their files |
| 11:00.19 | JordiGH | tempore_lucem: If that's what it means, then NIS does that. |
| 11:00.21 | ansgar | JordiGH: With SSO you can enter your password just once (at login) on your machine, then use the ticket from there to access other services (SSH, IMAP, SMTP, ...) without entering a password again. |
| 11:00.36 | babilen | exactly ^^^ |
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| 11:01.18 | tempore_lucem | Good good. But my question still stands: can I get Windows machines to perform 'network logins' to a Linux server? I think the term is a Domain Controller |
| 11:02.27 | nevyn | yes |
| 11:02.30 | bashext | http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingALinuxDomain |
| 11:02.49 | nevyn | you need to use samba |
| 11:03.26 | themill | !progress |
| 11:03.27 | dpkg | Follow the release progress at http://identi.ca/debian . archive frozen, cron jobs disabled, oldstable created, dak package database populated. Approximate schedule: http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseTimetable" |
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| 11:04.49 | stew | s/populated/populating/ |
| 11:05.02 | stew | actually it JUST finished :) |
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| 11:06.07 | themill | stew: see that's what happens when you're in a TZ 5 hours ahead ;) |
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| 11:10.29 | jelly-home | themill: where does that " come from |
| 11:11.07 | themill | jelly-home: from copy pasting a previous version of that factoid. (it's gone already) |
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| 11:13.18 | MikeH | hrm |
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| 11:13.25 | MikeH | is it possible to check available make targets? |
| 11:13.57 | jelly-home | MikeH: without inspecting the contents of the makefile? |
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| 11:14.50 | soundNICK | question when squeeze becomes debian stable, what will be testing ? |
| 11:15.00 | stew | soundNICK: wheezy |
| 11:15.06 | soundNICK | ah thx |
| 11:15.24 | ansgar | MikeH: dh does something like that. |
| 11:15.38 | MikeH | tbh, I didn't consider just looking at the Makefile |
| 11:15.39 | MikeH | all sorted :) |
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| 11:18.38 | [SkG] | Hi all, this is the first time I use encrypted LVM. At init seems to have some problem but it boot. It says: "Unable to find LVM volume debian/root" |
| 11:18.56 | simonrvn | zsh can do completions on the make targets |
| 11:19.04 | simonrvn | MikeH: jelly-home: |
| 11:20.21 | jelly-home | simonrvn: that can only be as good as the completion recipe is |
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| 11:20.59 | simonrvn | it's pretty decent |
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| 11:21.05 | themill | "make -qpr Makefile" is a good start |
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| 11:21.30 | themill | (see /etc/bash_completion.d/make for more) |
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| 11:32.15 | MaDSeN | go go |
| 11:33.18 | akkark | faster faster |
| 11:33.22 | dureyes_ | did I read the wrong info or is Debian 6.0 not coming out today? |
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| 11:33.33 | akkark | it is |
| 11:33.42 | rozie | dureyes_: you read wrong info |
| 11:33.44 | DotHack | w00t new release!! go Debian!! |
| 11:33.50 | abrotman | dureyes_: it's pretty early in the day |
| 11:34.10 | MaDSeN | 12.30 pm :D |
| 11:34.21 | rozie | http://identi.ca/debian |
| 11:34.23 | dureyes_ | anticipation is too much for me....damn it I want it now.. |
| 11:34.26 | dureyes_ | :) |
| 11:34.39 | MaDSeN | we do too |
| 11:34.45 | DotHack | yes!! |
| 11:34.49 | dureyes_ | good to know.. |
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| 11:35.01 | MaDSeN | so.. youre not alone |
| 11:35.03 | MaDSeN | hhaha |
| 11:35.24 | dureyes_ | good..misery loves company. |
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| 11:38.43 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 11:38.55 | ZenWalker | the new stable, today or tomorrow? |
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| 11:39.21 | Wyzard | ZenWalker: http://identi.ca/debian has updates |
| 11:39.34 | dureyes_ | ZenWalker: Later on today perhaps 12:30PM too early...I just asked the same question. |
| 11:39.58 | ZenWalker | ok thanks :D |
| 11:40.43 | stew | http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseTimetable |
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| 11:41.06 | stew | i have no idea, but I'm hoping the new cdbuilders can go faster this time |
| 11:41.20 | [SkG] | Yes I hope it too |
| 11:41.21 | abrotman | they uh .. need more power captain? |
| 11:41.31 | neoice | cool. I might still have time to update my stuff this weekend |
| 11:41.43 | [SkG] | Monday i have to install one testing machine and now repos are crazy ) |
| 11:42.18 | [SkG] | waiting for Wheezy |
| 11:42.38 | Wyzard | is looking forward to a stable shorewall that supports IPv6 |
| 11:42.54 | Wyzard | (well, shorewall package in a Debian stable release, that is) |
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| 11:43.07 | [SkG] | IPv6? u are from the past! |
| 11:43.07 | [SkG] | heh |
| 11:44.18 | MaDSeN | hah |
| 11:44.21 | neoice | I'm happy for a newer kernel. some cool virt stuff has been happening lately |
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| 11:48.51 | valkyrie | nobody can remember an ipv6 address |
| 11:48.55 | bzrk | is there a /msg dpkg for the squeeze release notes? |
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| 11:49.10 | DotHack | valkyrie: that where DNS comes in :) |
| 11:49.22 | stew | ::1 |
| 11:49.29 | valkyrie | don't help in some situations |
| 11:50.11 | stew | bzrk: yes |
| 11:50.28 | valkyrie | the ipv6 will have a dark future cause of its length |
| 11:50.37 | bzrk | stew: ah nice, could you elaborate? |
| 11:50.44 | Bushmills | right. what we need is 16 bit ip addresses |
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| 11:50.57 | Wyzard | ARPANET had 8-bit addresses originally |
| 11:51.10 | abrotman | bzrk: /msg dpkg squeeze release notes |
| 11:51.17 | bzrk | abrotman: tyvm |
| 11:51.22 | Wyzard | later expanded to 24, but 8 were reserved and unused IIRC |
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| 11:51.55 | Bushmills | just single-letter addressing would be even easier |
| 11:52.09 | Bushmills | google is G, debian is D |
| 11:52.21 | valkyrie | gay is g too |
| 11:52.24 | Parsifal | Or just a single end-to-end connection, no need for addressing at all |
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| 11:52.40 | Bushmills | and who needs network anyway |
| 11:53.00 | valkyrie | we should invent a borg cube soon |
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| 11:53.12 | DotHack | i´ll send text messages with 160 byte data over gsm |
| 11:53.14 | valdur55 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:57.06 | wissem | when squeeze will be anonced by debian as the stable version? |
| 11:57.19 | Cozminsky | today |
| 11:57.25 | Parsifal | wissem: See https://identi.ca/debian |
| 11:57.33 | babilen | wissem: check /topic |
| 11:57.48 | wissem | sorry |
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| 11:58.32 | babilen | no problem -- there'll be live comments by joey later on on http://debian-party-line.branchable.com/ |
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| 12:03.50 | [nix]sidro | hi |
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| 12:03.58 | [nix]sidro | texlive is latex ? |
| 12:04.07 | ripero | yup |
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| 12:05.23 | [nix]sidro | have similar syntax ? |
| 12:05.46 | ripero | http://www.tug.org/texlive/debian.html |
| 12:06.19 | ripero | texlive provides latex |
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| 12:16.52 | [SkG] | I have a problem using encrypted LVM. At init seems to have some problem but it boot. It says: "Unable to find LVM volume debian/root" Screenshot: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2228928/debianLVM.png |
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| 12:17.28 | Wyzard | [SkG]: That's normal |
| 12:17.45 | [SkG] | lol? |
| 12:17.58 | DotHack | [SkG]: it encrypted, you need to enter the passphrase to be able to read the lvm headers |
| 12:18.23 | Wyzard | After you enter the passphrase to unlock the dm-crypt volume, it'll rescan for LVM PVs and find it |
| 12:18.37 | [SkG] | oh. then that "error" its because cant read i |
| 12:18.42 | [SkG] | it* |
| 12:18.45 | [SkG] | ok |
| 12:18.56 | Wyzard | It's an error message, but it doesn't signify a real problem |
| 12:19.03 | valdyn | [SkG]: the error is because it cannot yet find swap, but it will try again later in the boot process |
| 12:19.15 | [SkG] | Its the first time that I use encrypted lvm on debian |
| 12:19.18 | valdyn | [SkG]: err, not just swap, but same deal |
| 12:19.39 | [SkG] | on other system dont show it (because use graphical boot) |
| 12:19.49 | [SkG] | ok then I feel better ty all |
| 12:20.25 | Wyzard | [SkG]: btw, consider renaming your volume group to something including the machine's hostname, rather than "debian" -- that way, if you have to move the disk(s) to another computer that also uses LVM (e.g. for troubleshooting), you won't confuse LVM with two different VGs having the same name in the same computer |
| 12:21.04 | Wyzard | I use "(hostname)_vg0" |
| 12:21.05 | [SkG] | Wyzard its a VM just testing because monday I have to setup a system with lvm on debian |
| 12:21.20 | [SkG] | but I will do it |
| 12:21.21 | [SkG] | :) |
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| 12:22.34 | DotHack | [SkG]: if your using it as VM i would not use the hostname is vg! that way if you template your vm for use with other vm´s the original vm´s hostanme keeps popping up in vg name |
| 12:23.08 | Kasreyn | i have two nics but only interested in using eth1. why do i get "SIOCSIFFLAGS cannot assign requested address" trying to bring up the network alias eth1:0 ? |
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| 12:23.26 | DotHack | Kasreyn: try using eth1:1 |
| 12:23.32 | [SkG] | As I said its a testing vm, will delete it later |
| 12:23.33 | Kasreyn | DotHack: alright .. |
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| 12:24.14 | Wyzard | Does Debian's ifupdown support having multiple IPs on an interface without having to use those old-style aliases? |
| 12:24.24 | ripero | debian is being released! |
| 12:24.40 | valdyn | Wyzard: is that even supported on ipv4? |
| 12:24.41 | stew | Wyzard: "up ip addr add 1.2.3.4/24" |
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| 12:24.47 | stew | it is |
| 12:24.53 | Wyzard | stew: hmm, klugey, but I guess that'd work |
| 12:25.04 | Wyzard | valdyn: yes, in 2.6 kernels |
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| 12:25.31 | Wyzard | valdyn: You have to use "ip addr add" (in the iproute package) rather than ifconfig (which uses older, 2.4.x APIs) |
| 12:25.52 | valdyn | Wyzard: i see |
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| 12:29.52 | macrobat | is grub2 able to boot debian on ext4 and lvm? do i need a separate boot partition? |
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| 12:30.26 | lord_rob | Yes ! Squeeze is stable :) sid will get new packages again :p |
| 12:30.32 | valdyn | macrobat: you dont need a seperate boot partition |
| 12:30.40 | Wyzard | macrobat: I believe so, but haven't tried it |
| 12:30.56 | Kasreyn_ | http://soundcloud.com/diskettedeluxe |
| 12:30.57 | DotHack | lord_rob: sid? you mean testing.. |
| 12:31.00 | macrobat | i haven't been able to boot for a very long time :D |
| 12:31.02 | valdyn | macrobat: but you need squeeze, not lenny |
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| 12:31.12 | macrobat | this is sid |
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| 12:31.32 | ZenWalker | when wheezy with new packages? |
| 12:32.09 | Wyzard | DotHack: During a freeze, maintainers refrain from putting some package updates into sid, because they'd complicate the process of uploading fixes for testing |
| 12:32.19 | Wyzard | DotHack: so a release means new stuff for sid too |
| 12:32.29 | lord_rob | DotHack: no sid, there were new packages but not really new when squeeze was frozen (developpers have other things to do than uploading new things in sid of course) |
| 12:32.33 | DotHack | Wyzard: cool didnt know that |
| 12:32.45 | macrobat | ZenWalker: see topic |
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| 12:34.22 | Kasreyn_ | DotHack, changing to eth1:1 didn't help .. this is my /etc/network/interfaces: http://codepad.org/81TqOgXM |
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| 12:36.06 | DotHack | Kasreyn_: whats the ip you get from dhcp? |
| 12:36.07 | Wyzard | Kasreyn_: I don't think you can configure an eth1:1 when eth1 isn't configured |
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| 12:36.21 | Kasreyn_ | Wyzard, alright but how can i make it wait for eth1? |
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| 12:36.52 | Kasreyn_ | DotHack, starts with 94.245 why do you ask? |
| 12:37.05 | Wyzard | Kasreyn_: I'm not sure if this'll help, but try changing the "allow-hotplug" to "auto" |
| 12:37.17 | Kasreyn_ | Wyzard, will do |
| 12:37.31 | Wyzard | Kasreyn_: I *think* "auto" interfaces are brought up immediately when "ifup -a" is done, and "allow-hotplug" interfaces are brought up later, asynchronously |
| 12:37.32 | DotHack | Kasreyn_: maybe it was the same... |
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| 12:38.08 | Kasreyn_ | DotHack, no the DHCP gives me external IP.. the alias is just for setting up NAT |
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| 12:38.17 | morsik | hi... |
| 12:38.31 | morsik | where i can find 'protocc'? |
| 12:38.46 | Wyzard | Kasreyn_: What kind of NAT involves both a DHCP address and a private address on the *same* network interface? |
| 12:38.54 | DotHack | Kasreyn_: so your are going to NAT packages over the same interface? |
| 12:38.57 | Kasreyn_ | Wyzard, a sneaky one? ;) |
| 12:39.05 | Kasreyn_ | that's the idea |
| 12:39.09 | Wyzard | That's a rather strange setup |
| 12:39.20 | Kasreyn_ | but it works |
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| 12:39.47 | Kasreyn_ | limited amount of IPv4 addresses and all that |
| 12:40.17 | DotHack | Kasreyn_: how do you know that.... i think you will have problems eventualy.. |
| 12:40.43 | Kasreyn_ | what problems do you predict ? |
| 12:41.32 | DotHack | DotHack: dont know yet :) |
| 12:42.02 | Kasreyn_ | Wyzard, you were right setting eth1 to auto instead of allow-hotplug allows for eth1:1 to wait for eth1 |
| 12:42.18 | Kasreyn_ | thanks a bunch it seems to work now |
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| 12:42.34 | Wyzard | You're welcome |
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| 12:44.40 | Wyzard | Kasreyn_: A better alternative, based on what stew said earlier, would be to install the "iproute" package and add "up ip addr add 192.168.5.1/24" to your "iface eth1 inet dhcp" block, then remove eth1:1 entirely |
| 12:44.58 | Wyzard | That'll give you both addresses on eth1 itself |
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| 12:46.15 | Wyzard | though, on second thought, you may actually need them on separate interfaces for iptables purposes |
| 12:46.24 | Kasreyn_ | Wyzard, oh ok.. didn't know about iproute |
| 12:46.34 | morsik | in which package i can find 'protocc' binary? |
| 12:46.56 | abrotman | !tell morsik about apt-file |
| 12:46.57 | Wyzard | Kasreyn_: yeah, it technically supersedes ifconfig, though the latter is still widely used |
| 12:47.11 | morsik | abrotman: i tried, i got: ks353501 ~ $ apt-file update |
| 12:47.11 | morsik | Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-amd64.gz |
| 12:47.22 | DotHack | Wyzard: iptables should be able to masq packets on one interface originating from the nat ip range |
| 12:47.24 | morsik | and search didn't find package for protocc |
| 12:47.25 | abrotman | that's normal |
| 12:47.43 | abrotman | judd: file protocc --release lenny |
| 12:47.46 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 12:47.50 | abrotman | there we go |
| 12:48.13 | morsik | yep, nothing |
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| 12:49.19 | funyun | can i use wget to download links like this? this is the download link for browsers but i can't seem to make it work with wget after reading the man.. http://username:password@downloads.members.website.com/membercheck?path=movie7735/streaming/&fname=movie7735_3000.mp4&fd=1&dontstream=1 |
| 12:49.37 | valdyn | funyun: use " |
| 12:49.42 | morsik | well, what's wrong? i need protocc to compile mumble server (in lenny repos theres old 1.1.X version) |
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| 12:50.46 | abrotman | funyun: i keep disappearing on you .. sorry |
| 12:51.01 | abrotman | funyun: you seem to coincide perfectly with busy periods at work :) |
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| 12:51.29 | funyun | valdyn: worked. thank you :) |
| 12:51.33 | funyun | abrotman: lol |
| 12:51.45 | hamid_ | checking and checking the topic. change it please :( :P |
| 12:52.07 | abrotman | change it to what? |
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| 12:52.18 | funyun | abrotman: when do ya think you'll have some free time? |
| 12:52.49 | abrotman | funyun: for what? still working on that kernel? |
| 12:53.28 | funyun | abrotman: i'm done with that. i've done update grub but when i restart, i am still booting into the old kernel |
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| 12:53.52 | abrotman | funyun: you have to change the /etc/default/grub to have the default be the Debian kernel |
| 12:54.54 | funyun | abrotman: so just change GRUB_DEFAULT=0 to GRUB_DEFAULT=1? |
| 12:54.57 | ws2k3 | how can i get back to a running screen session? |
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| 12:55.35 | dsm | !progress |
| 12:55.35 | dpkg | Follow the release progress at http://identi.ca/debian . Archive frozen, cron jobs disabled, oldstable created, dak package database populated. Approximate schedule: http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseTimetable |
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| 12:55.38 | abrotman | probably not '1' .. look in your /boot/grub/grub.cfg .. see which position the one you want has, enumeration starts at '0' |
| 12:55.43 | ws2k3 | ? |
| 12:55.52 | abrotman | ws2k3: screen -Rd |
| 12:56.42 | ws2k3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.42 | ws2k3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.46 | funyun | abrotman: the kernel i want to boot into is the first one |
| 12:56.50 | ws2k3 | what they mean with attached and detached? |
| 12:56.59 | abrotman | one is in use, one is not |
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| 12:57.15 | abrotman | funyun: then it should be fine? |
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| 12:57.42 | funyun | abrotman: uname -a shows the old kernel |
| 12:58.04 | abrotman | funyun: and you've done a reboot? maybe put your grub.cfg in a pastebin |
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| 12:58.36 | hamid_ | abrotman, new release :P |
| 12:58.37 | akkark | funyun: _first_ line is 0 option |
| 12:58.46 | abrotman | hamid_: not done yet |
| 12:58.59 | hamid_ | abrotman, when will it change ? |
| 12:59.09 | myrawbin | Hello I'm wondering if there is any iptable rules to PPTPD POSTROUTING without doing it on eth0 so route all traffic.. I wanna irc on my eth0:0, but it keeps routing all traffic through eth0. |
| 12:59.10 | abrotman | soon i would guess .. within a few hours |
| 12:59.18 | hamid_ | abrotman, thanks :) |
| 12:59.18 | abrotman | myrawbin: you may want #netfilter |
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| 12:59.26 | funyun | well maybe it is working correctly. do i have to update modules now? if so, how do i do that? |
| 12:59.43 | abrotman | if uname -r says the wrong kernel .. you're in the wrong kernel |
| 12:59.56 | makubi | hi, atm I am upgrading debian lenny --> squeeze. I got a RAID1 /boot and RAID5 crypto (/, /home,...). mdadm tells me that /dev/md/0 is not listed in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, but there are two entrys, 1 for /dev/md0 and one for /dev/md1. are these ok or do I have to change to /dev/md/X instead? /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf tells me /dev/md0 too. |
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| 13:02.13 | funyun | abrotman: well the thing is, this new kernel is identical to the old one. accept it has modules. which will allow vmware to run. i assumed since the new filename of the new kernel wasn't the same as uname -r output, that it was the old kernel. but now i'm assuming it doesn't output based on image filename |
| 13:02.35 | funyun | abrotman: because the kernel i want to use is in the #1 position |
| 13:02.36 | abrotman | head explode! |
| 13:02.53 | funyun | so possibly i just need to update modules and then i'm finished |
| 13:02.53 | abrotman | funyun: why not just install the vmware modules against the kernel that you're running now ? |
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| 13:03.42 | funyun | funfun: i emailed the server provider like you told me to. and they gave me the link to that tutorial and told me that is the only way to get vmware running on their custom kernel |
| 13:03.47 | ws2k3 | another question i have a php script i want that it exec a command in linux i know that the php code is good |
| 13:03.47 | funyun | abrotman: * |
| 13:04.09 | abrotman | funyun: ah okay .. so still not running a Debian kernel ? |
| 13:04.39 | ws2k3 | but for some reason it still fails the program is not showing up. |
| 13:04.44 | funyun | abrotman: they told me that it is debian. but it just has "some tweaks" |
| 13:04.47 | ws2k3 | how can i trubleshoot this |
| 13:04.52 | ws2k3 | of where can i find the error? |
| 13:05.02 | ws2k3 | apache2 maby? |
| 13:05.16 | abrotman | funyun: uh huh .. did they now ... |
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| 13:06.06 | babilen | You might be interested in: http://debian-party-line.branchable.com/ (official program starts in 1h) |
| 13:06.22 | funyun | abrotman: is there a way to update the modules from the new kernel image? |
| 13:07.10 | abrotman | run the vmware installer again ? |
| 13:07.26 | ws2k3 | somebody any advice for me? |
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| 13:08.57 | ws2k3 | ? |
| 13:08.58 | funyun | abrotman: same error FATAL: Could not open /lib/modules/2.6.34.6-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64/modules.dep.temp for writing: No such file or directory |
| 13:09.19 | abrotman | permissoins problem ? |
| 13:09.33 | funyun | abrotman: i did that from root |
| 13:09.51 | abrotman | running what command? |
| 13:10.05 | funyun | abrotman: ./vmware-install.pl |
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| 13:10.33 | frikinz | I hope there'll be some magazines including debian 6 cds! |
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| 13:10.56 | dureyes_ | Happy Squeeze Day ! |
| 13:11.06 | ws2k3 | can somebody help me out plz:$ |
| 13:11.10 | Creatura85 | same to you too dureyes_ |
| 13:12.02 | ws2k3 | i let www-user execute a command but its fail |
| 13:12.08 | ws2k3 | where can i see the error? |
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| 13:12.59 | bill_ | hi. quick question |
| 13:13.21 | Creatura85 | how are ya ? ;)) |
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| 13:13.42 | bill_ | when upgradeing apache, there is a message , how do i get out of message to finish upgrade |
| 13:13.44 | neglesaks | is there a channel for the debian release party? |
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| 13:14.13 | Goliath | hey i have a problem with grub2. when i enable the framebuffer, ttys get off the screen (appear at 2 bottom lines). Also this seems to happen only after x server starts. |
| 13:14.22 | jelly-home | neglesaks: what release party? |
| 13:14.25 | abrotman | neglesaks: probably the -offtopic channel you're already in |
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| 13:14.55 | neglesaks | alrighty then! |
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| 13:16.10 | ws2k3 | where can i find the logfile of user www-data? |
| 13:16.44 | phogg | ws2k3: users don't get individual log files. You want apache logs maybe? |
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| 13:17.16 | ws2k3 | phogg i let www-data execute a command |
| 13:17.17 | ws2k3 | but it fails |
| 13:17.22 | ws2k3 | where can i find the error |
| 13:17.44 | ws2k3 | i already looked apache logs |
| 13:17.56 | phogg | ws2k3: "execute a command" how? |
| 13:18.42 | ws2k3 | exec command |
| 13:18.43 | ws2k3 | php |
| 13:18.51 | bill_ | when upgradeing apache, there is a message , how do i get out of message to finish upgrade |
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| 13:19.24 | phogg | ws2k3: I should have asked "where?" |
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| 13:20.01 | ws2k3 | how u mean where |
| 13:20.11 | ws2k3 | just a php script |
| 13:20.15 | ws2k3 | i run it |
| 13:20.32 | ws2k3 | it should start screen |
| 13:20.37 | ws2k3 | but that doesnt happen |
| 13:20.40 | Cain | ws2k3 try syslog ==> cat /var/log/syslog maybe |
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| 13:21.55 | ws2k3 | cain no |
| 13:21.59 | ws2k3 | there nothing |
| 13:22.05 | akkark | ws2k3: safe_mode enabled? |
| 13:22.09 | jetscreamer | bill_: hit tab then enter on correct thing? |
| 13:22.17 | ws2k3 | akkark how u mean? |
| 13:22.52 | jetscreamer | tab to choose, enter to select i mean |
| 13:23.05 | akkark | ws2k3: is safe_mode enabled in your php configuration? |
| 13:23.19 | bill_ | nothing , there is an (END) but i can't quit message |
| 13:23.36 | Cain | ws2k3 : you may check your php code to see if it does really what you want, there is ##php in this server |
| 13:23.36 | ws2k3 | akkark i dont know |
| 13:23.40 | ws2k3 | i shall checl |
| 13:23.42 | jetscreamer | no idea sorry |
| 13:23.46 | ws2k3 | i know |
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| 13:23.49 | ws2k3 | but the php code is good |
| 13:23.56 | ws2k3 | script is running on 2 ubuntu servers |
| 13:24.00 | ws2k3 | and there it works just fine |
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| 13:24.31 | Cain | ws2k3 : can you paste the php portion code which run screen ? |
| 13:24.52 | bill_ | ok i did apt-get upgrade -q and it worked |
| 13:25.12 | ws2k3 | yeah |
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| 13:27.36 | ws2k3 | http://pastebin.com/VnSGwPRd |
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| 13:28.16 | ws2k3 | thats the script |
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| 13:29.30 | themill | oh my... that's the sort of php that makes me cry |
| 13:30.19 | ws2k3 | i know |
| 13:30.24 | ws2k3 | its a test script |
| 13:30.27 | ws2k3 | anyway |
| 13:30.28 | abrotman | running a CallOfDuty server from PHP? |
| 13:30.35 | ws2k3 | yeah |
| 13:30.54 | frikinz | humm |
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| 13:31.02 | themill | *sob* |
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| 13:31.43 | luichi | hello |
| 13:32.18 | stew | ws2k3: since i get to specify $port, do I get to run arbitrary shell commands by posting port="1234;cat /etc/passwd" |
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| 13:32.27 | frikinz | easily |
| 13:32.49 | frikinz | 1234&&cat /etc/passwd |
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| 13:32.58 | ws2k3 | stew i dont know what u mean |
| 13:33.07 | frikinz | ah no, port is not filtered even |
| 13:33.08 | ws2k3 | sorry i'm not realy a linux expert |
| 13:33.17 | ws2k3 | its just returns 1 2 3 or 4 |
| 13:33.26 | akkark | then read some http://php.net/manual/en/function.exec.php |
| 13:33.37 | ws2k3 | why |
| 13:33.51 | stew | ws2k3: you run "$a = shell_exec("pgrep cod4_2896$port"); " right? |
| 13:33.54 | luichi | i want to install sound on my lenovo n200 3000 which i've installed debian lenny 5.08 i386 netinst. I installed alsa-base and alsa-utils and then run alsaconf and tried with totem to play the mp3 but i have no sound |
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| 13:34.08 | ws2k3 | no i run |
| 13:34.15 | albech | i believe i have a routing problem. I have two external IPs pointing to my network through two different ISPs. They are served by two different routers (192.168.1.1 and 192.168.1.2). Now i was to DNAT both the external IPs to the internal webhost (192.168.1.33) so it doesnt matter which external IP I go. |
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| 13:34.29 | cahoot | luichi: alsa comes already with the kernel |
| 13:34.30 | ws2k3 | shell_exec("cd /home/server/cod4/; $cod4"); |
| 13:34.31 | ws2k3 | shell_exec("cd /home/server/cod4/kill; screen -A -m -d bash -c 'python kill_2896$port.py'"); |
| 13:34.42 | stew | ws2k3: and $port comes from an untrusted user. if i POST port="1234;cat /etc/passwd" then you run "shell_exec("pgrep cod4_28961234; cat /etc/passwd") |
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| 13:34.56 | frikinz | ws2k3: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4891301/top-bad-practices-in-php |
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| 13:35.02 | albech | The problem is that unless a return route is configured only the router configured to server default route will work |
| 13:35.05 | cahoot | luichi: what gives if you run speaker-test -t wav -c2 ? |
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| 13:35.23 | ws2k3 | stew yeah i know |
| 13:35.26 | ws2k3 | its just a test script |
| 13:35.30 | ws2k3 | but thats not the problem |
| 13:35.36 | ws2k3 | the problem is that screen wont start |
| 13:35.40 | ws2k3 | i know that my script is not safe |
| 13:35.41 | ws2k3 | its a test:P |
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| 13:35.45 | luichi | cahoot: this is what i read but do you mean that when i installed debian i have alsa packages installed? |
| 13:35.53 | cahoot | yes |
| 13:36.09 | cahoot | luichi: try run speaker-test -t wav -c2 |
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| 13:36.22 | ws2k3 | so i try to figure out why screen is not starting |
| 13:36.37 | frikinz | I'd have a process to do all the commands and from php do some IPC to this process |
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| 13:37.39 | ws2k3 | frikinz i know tha script is fine |
| 13:37.47 | luichi | cahoot: ok i put the comand now but i think that i don't have alsa installed in default installation it's possible because i didn't install any program in tasksel? |
| 13:37.50 | ws2k3 | like i sad |
| 13:37.58 | ws2k3 | its running on 2 ubuntu servers |
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| 13:39.03 | cahoot | luichi: alsa is part of the kernel, alsa-utils might be needed to install 'by hand' |
| 13:39.25 | luichi | cahoot: ok |
| 13:39.52 | luichi | cahoot: this is the output of the command you said: http://pastebin.com/H7PcMMUS |
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| 13:40.11 | cahoot | silence? |
| 13:40.26 | stew | ws2k3: have you checked stderr? |
| 13:40.32 | Cain | ws2k3 : try to add a log file to see the exec outputs exec(command >>logfile) |
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| 13:40.49 | cahoot | luichi: run /etc/init.d/alsa-util reset 0 (if no audible output) |
| 13:40.50 | stew | ws2k3: my guess is a permissions problem with the socket, or that its not on a tty |
| 13:40.58 | luichi | cahoot: oo wtfff it works |
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| 13:41.13 | stew | he'd want >>logfile 2>&1 |
| 13:41.13 | luichi | cahoot: i had my sound in silence |
| 13:41.26 | ws2k3 | stew maby |
| 13:41.32 | ws2k3 | but is it so hard to just find a logfile |
| 13:41.50 | luichi | cahoot: but i don't understand because yesterday i had the sound without silence and didn't work o.O |
| 13:41.59 | stew | ws2k3: what logfile? |
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| 13:42.21 | cahoot | luichi: I don't realy understand you |
| 13:42.22 | ws2k3 | the error |
| 13:42.24 | stew | ws2k3: is there a www-data directory in /var/run/screen ? |
| 13:42.37 | stew | ws2k3: it wouldn't be logged, you log it by redirecting stderr somewhere yourself |
| 13:42.43 | ws2k3 | no |
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| 13:42.51 | ws2k3 | only root s |
| 13:42.56 | ws2k3 | S-root |
| 13:43.03 | stew | ws2k3: can you su to www-data and start screen manually? |
| 13:43.19 | ws2k3 | i dont know |
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| 13:43.21 | ws2k3 | i dont have the password of www-data |
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| 13:44.00 | ws2k3 | i cannot start screen |
| 13:44.05 | ws2k3 | Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/0' - please check. |
| 13:44.39 | Dweezahr | Hello, we have a server running debian with LAMPS and php has root access, how big is this problem, can hackers gain root acces this way? It runs as user php with very limited user rights and /etc/passwords is shaddowed |
| 13:44.57 | ws2k3 | but how i fix this |
| 13:45.43 | ws2k3 | stew? |
| 13:45.44 | luichi | cahoot: sorry i'm spanish. Now sound works |
| 13:45.53 | cahoot | ok |
| 13:46.21 | phogg | ws2k3: if you are root you don't need the password to su |
| 13:46.28 | ws2k3 | i know |
| 13:46.31 | ws2k3 | i get this error |
| 13:46.32 | ws2k3 | Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/0' - please check. |
| 13:46.41 | ws2k3 | if i login as www-data |
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| 13:47.21 | phogg | ws2k3: probably because you have no permission as www-data, ls -l /dev/pts/0 |
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| 13:47.43 | ws2k3 | yeah |
| 13:47.47 | ws2k3 | premission denied |
| 13:47.58 | ws2k3 | crw------- 1 root tty 136, 0 2011-02-05 14:47 /dev/pts/0 |
| 13:48.22 | phogg | Dweezahr: it's only a problem if there's a vulnerability in your PHP somewhere. Which is to say, I would consider this risky. |
| 13:48.36 | phogg | ws2k3: so www-data has no access and screen cannot run |
| 13:48.50 | ws2k3 | so how can i give www-data access? |
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| 13:49.19 | phogg | ws2k3: don't know, sorry/ |
| 13:49.21 | superlinux | hi. I have a number of problems i want them solved: 1. I want to allow shutting down my PC even if there is someone logged in to it. 2- splashy does not run even if the boot parameters "vga" and "splashy" are set. 3- how can I make compiz the 1st application to run once I log-in? |
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| 13:49.49 | ws2k3 | anyone else maby |
| 13:49.54 | phogg | superlinux: shutdown -h now will cause shutdown no matter who is logged in. |
| 13:50.03 | superlinux | i have moved to squeeze yesterday. |
| 13:50.15 | superlinux | phogg, gnome has a policy banning me |
| 13:50.37 | superlinux | where should I look up changing the policy? |
| 13:50.43 | phogg | superlinux: compiz is a window manager, I thought. What do you mean by "first application run"? |
| 13:51.12 | phogg | superlinux: I have no idea. You mean GNOME doesn't permit you to shutdown while logged in? |
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| 13:52.00 | superlinux | phogg, if I want to run it, i am enlisting it in gnome's start up applications |
| 13:52.18 | Bushmills | superlinux: shutdown -h now |
| 13:52.40 | phogg | superlinux: that doesn't make much sense. You mean if you don't put compiz in the GNOME startup list you don't get a window manager, or do you mean that you get a different one? |
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| 13:53.04 | Bushmills | oh. as phogg said |
| 13:53.35 | rhada | Automatic synchronisation of Debian's website mirrors have now also been disabled in preparation of... a special suprise :) |
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| 13:54.34 | superlinux | guys. just a min. if I logged in from real terminal and i have another log-in from gdm into gnome, and when I want to shutdown from gnome, gnome asks me to put the password of root. |
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| 13:54.54 | Bushmills | makes sense |
| 13:55.02 | superlinux | and therefore i can shutdown |
| 13:55.06 | phogg | superlinux: so far I don't see a question |
| 13:55.16 | phogg | superlinux: put in root's password and you can |
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| 13:55.36 | superlinux | the question is I want to get rid of this policy |
| 13:55.48 | valdyn | superlinux: why dont you just hit the power button? |
| 13:55.50 | superlinux | and I dont know how |
| 13:55.51 | phogg | superlinux: you want to permit ordinary users to shut down the system? |
| 13:56.11 | superlinux | yes.. it's my PC |
| 13:56.13 | phogg | superlinux: you could allow shutdown via sudoers, if you use sudo. |
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| 13:56.44 | phogg | superlinux: it's not so much policy as basic security: shutdown is a privileged operation, thus you must be root. |
| 13:56.45 | themill | superlinux: are you in the powerdev group? |
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| 13:56.49 | superlinux | I just want to shutdown no matter who's logged in. |
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| 13:57.05 | superlinux | themill, let me check |
| 13:57.18 | superlinux | squeeze has change heaps on me |
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| 13:57.36 | themill | this was the case in etch and lenny too. (probably sarge... I can't remember) |
| 13:57.44 | akkark | what's the special surprice? |
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| 13:58.01 | akkark | i want it now! |
| 13:58.07 | Bushmills | that's why you upgraded, right? if you wanted nothing to change, you'd be sticking to lenny |
| 13:58.08 | phogg | themill: how does that control shutdown access? I see the group on my system, but no one is in it. The shutdown binary is group root. |
| 13:58.08 | micols | you can hit alt+printscreen+b or power button too for rebooting/shutting down most of the time |
| 13:58.10 | themill | akkark: patience, grasshopper. |
| 13:58.11 | dagon_ | patience is virtue |
| 13:58.18 | superlinux | ok, themill no I am not. so you mean I must belong to that group? |
| 13:58.23 | superlinux | ok , i'll do that |
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| 13:58.41 | inc0 | hi, how can I allow everyone to write on mounted windows partition fat32? chmod 777 -R doesnt seem to work, chown also |
| 13:58.41 | micols | first one isn't graceful, you should do 'reisub' |
| 13:58.42 | themill | superlinux: it may be managed through polkit these days actually. or both. |
| 13:58.57 | inc0 | I can write as root np, but as normal user I'm not allowed to |
| 13:59.08 | valdyn | inc0: chmod nor chown are support by fat filesystems |
| 13:59.08 | phogg | inc0: it's set at mount time |
| 13:59.21 | Bushmills | inc0: mount options. |
| 13:59.28 | Bushmills | look for uid |
| 13:59.40 | albech | still trying to make this routing issue work. I believe the problem is the return route of the second router (192.168.1.2) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4669371/dual-gateway.jpg |
| 13:59.59 | phogg | inc0: look also at dmask and fmask |
| 14:00.45 | valdyn | albech: nice picture, but we cannot deduce your problem from that |
| 14:00.46 | inc0 | UUID=7143-BCE4 <-this one? |
| 14:00.53 | phogg | inc0: not UUID, uid |
| 14:01.05 | phogg | inc0: also gid, which might be better for multi user cases |
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| 14:01.39 | superlinux | I still want compiz the 1st application to run once I login to gnome. |
| 14:01.40 | albech | valdyn, thanks ;) i believe it is a routing issue (return route) from .33 back through .2 when trying to access its external interface |
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| 14:02.19 | inc0 | and where should I put uid of my account |
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| 14:02.20 | inc0 | ? |
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| 14:02.27 | inc0 | to be able to write on disc? |
| 14:02.38 | phogg | inc0: in the mount options |
| 14:02.59 | phogg | inc0: e.g. mount /dev/whatever -o uid=NNNN /mnt/wherever, or in fstab |
| 14:03.11 | Bushmills | superlinux: then you should start gnome session, but, for example, add a session script which puts compiz far up |
| 14:03.14 | inc0 | in fstab in this case;) |
| 14:03.23 | Bushmills | sry. shouldn't |
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| 14:04.10 | superlinux | Bushmills, do you know where does gnome put the file having the info to edit? |
| 14:04.25 | Bushmills | you would *not* want to use gnome |
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| 14:04.44 | superlinux | ok |
| 14:05.01 | Bushmills | try debugging your session script first, by running it with startx /path/to/my-session-script |
| 14:05.31 | superlinux | Bushmills, I have mom uses the PC. not an answer |
| 14:05.45 | Bushmills | you can't start compiz first with gnome, because gnome starts programs from its session manager - which would be started before compiz |
| 14:06.02 | superlinux | ok |
| 14:06.49 | ws2k3 | can somebody help me to let www-data start screen? |
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| 14:06.53 | ws2k3 | i get acces denied |
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| 14:08.01 | valdyn | albech: why are both external ips not served by the same router? |
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| 14:09.12 | albech | valdyn, two different isps and we are in the process of switching to a new one.. the reason for wanting this setup is cause while the dns changes comes into effect all services will remain running |
| 14:09.13 | GNU\colossus | ws2k3, why would you ever want that? what are you trying to do? |
| 14:09.15 | valdyn | albech: in your picture youre creating needless complixity |
| 14:09.32 | ws2k3 | i wanne let a php script start a program |
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| 14:09.40 | valdyn | albech: thats not a reason that you have 2 isps |
| 14:09.42 | albech | valdyn, the old router does not support two WAN interfaces |
| 14:09.51 | valdyn | albech: then you need a 3rd router |
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| 14:10.03 | ws2k3 | but when try to start screen i get Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/0' - please check. |
| 14:10.13 | GNU\colossus | ws2k3, yeah, so? just fork it in the background, install signal handlers that prevent it from terminating once the parent exits, and be fine. |
| 14:10.15 | valdyn | albech: or setup 192.168.1.33 do take the place of the 3rd router |
| 14:10.32 | albech | valdyn, why do i need a 3rd router? |
| 14:10.47 | petemc | ws2k3: a kludge to get around that would be chown www-data `tty` |
| 14:10.58 | valdyn | albech: 192.168.1.33 needs to select the gateway depending on which gateway it recieved the packet from |
| 14:11.04 | ws2k3 | sorry i dont understand both answers |
| 14:11.09 | valdyn | albech: thats silly complex |
| 14:11.13 | ws2k3 | i'm not a very good linux expert |
| 14:11.19 | ws2k3 | and my english is not so great |
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| 14:11.47 | valdyn | albech: afaik you would have to mark packets and route depending on the mark |
| 14:11.48 | albech | valdyn, so my 'theory' that the problem i am experiencing is a return route problem is correct? |
| 14:11.55 | Zenox | I got loads of entries with "dirtied inode" in /var/log/debug. Is it indicating any problem or what is it really (can't find good info on google)? |
| 14:11.56 | valdyn | albech: sure |
| 14:12.06 | albech | valdyn, well thats a start ;) |
| 14:12.08 | superlinux | there is also splashy missing from startup, although splash and vga are mentioned. what should I do? |
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| 14:12.48 | albech | valdyn, im still not sure why a 3rd router would be needed |
| 14:13.05 | valdyn | albech: one of both routers should be able to have 3 network interfaces ( 1 wan and 2 local ) |
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| 14:13.36 | valdyn | albech: how can 192.168.1.33 know where to return a packet to? |
| 14:13.57 | albech | valdyn, it cannot |
| 14:14.25 | valdyn | albech: so.. you need a 3rd router or have features of that 3rd router |
| 14:14.33 | valdyn | albech: so.. you need a 3rd router or have features of that 3rd router in 192.168.1.33 |
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| 14:14.55 | albech | valdyn, i understand what you mean.. let me look at that |
| 14:15.00 | albech | valdyn, thx |
| 14:15.52 | valdyn | albech: or alternatively give only 1 of your 2 external facing routers direct access to the lan and put the other in between |
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| 14:21.12 | ws2k3 | how i can change the owned of a folder? |
| 14:21.14 | ws2k3 | owner |
| 14:21.28 | valdyn | !wikifaq ws2k3 Permissions |
| 14:21.28 | dpkg | ws2k3: check out http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
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| 14:23.12 | linker | how to look up the file system is root file system |
| 14:23.46 | valdyn | linker: "df" |
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| 14:24.03 | ws2k3 | thankx |
| 14:24.26 | linker | i need to edit the "menu.lst" for grub "root=/dev/hda??" |
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| 14:25.01 | linker | but when i boot it ,it show "waiting for root file system" |
| 14:25.25 | valdyn | linker: how did you fuck up your booting? |
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| 14:28.28 | ws2k3 | hello guys |
| 14:28.37 | ws2k3 | i'm trying to run screen as www-data |
| 14:28.39 | ws2k3 | thats working now |
| 14:28.42 | ws2k3 | but if i reboot |
| 14:28.45 | ws2k3 | i have to chmod again |
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| 14:32.54 | not_david | this error pokes its head on my console every few minutes. any ideas on how to make it go away? http://pastebin.com/73QVVCxh |
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| 14:38.20 | xk | dodgey sata hdd |
| 14:38.49 | xk | hmmm maybe smart is disabled in the bios, hence that error. |
| 14:39.05 | xk | is smartd running? |
| 14:39.30 | xk | actually... that cant be sata :) |
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| 14:41.29 | not_david | nope, smartd isnt up. bios has no mention of smart ot be found anywhere. and yes, the drive is a bit 'dodgey' :) |
| 14:41.38 | not_david | to* |
| 14:41.55 | xk | PATA drive? |
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| 14:43.42 | not_david | yup |
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| 14:44.24 | GNU\colossus | try `smartctl -s off /dev/thatdisk` |
| 14:44.29 | GNU\colossus | and get a new drive ;) |
| 14:44.55 | maxxe | squeeze released today? :> |
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| 14:45.56 | babilen | maxxe: /topic and "/msg dpkg progress" |
| 14:45.57 | Creatura85 | maxxe: http://identi.ca/debian |
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| 14:46.50 | maxxe | then maxxelito will be happy :> |
| 14:46.54 | maxxe | i long for it |
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| 14:48.15 | CoolCold | ho ho |
| 14:48.16 | CoolCold | 17:48:08 ::: Irssi: #debian: Total of 1024 nicks [3 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 1021 normal] |
| 14:48.23 | xk | half ops? |
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| 14:48.36 | CoolCold | yes |
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| 14:49.47 | Creatura85 | i wonder what`s the surprise |
| 14:49.54 | Creatura85 | mentioned on identi.ca |
| 14:49.55 | Creatura85 | :D |
| 14:49.59 | ws2k3 | hello guys |
| 14:50.08 | maxxe | go squeeze ! |
| 14:50.16 | ws2k3 | i have a question i'm trying to start screen with www-data |
| 14:50.34 | ws2k3 | i have to chmod the /dev/pts/0' for it |
| 14:50.42 | ws2k3 | but if i reboot i need to chmod it again? |
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| 14:51.16 | jackweb | hello, I'm using wine and I can't click three keys at the same time; it doesn't run; what to do? maybe keyboard drivers do I need? |
| 14:51.48 | jackweb | I don't know if the problem appears when I use every program or when I use program on wine ;) |
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| 14:54.41 | macrobat | jackweb: press 3 keyboard keys at the same time? |
| 14:54.42 | superlinux | guys! looks like splashy and usplash are mentioned in the pkg list of squeeze, however I cannot download it. |
| 14:55.08 | superlinux | looks like it was not uploaded |
| 14:55.23 | themill | superlinux: no, splashy and usplash are not in squeeze. plymouth is the replacement |
| 14:55.41 | superlinux | ok |
| 14:56.05 | jackweb | macrobat: yes, the last key is not caught ;) |
| 14:56.35 | jackweb | ah, in Supertux everything is OK, so the wine is a problem |
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| 14:58.36 | macrobat | no strafejumps, then :( |
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| 14:58.45 | superlinux | themill, i am downloading now plymouth. but splashy is listed in my synaptic |
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| 14:59.04 | superlinux | and i have removed lenny from my synaptic too |
| 14:59.41 | themill | superlinux: if it's installed then it will be listed still. /msg dpkg obsolete |
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| 15:02.04 | jdbs | i need some help configuring my sound since my upgrade from stable to squeeze.Sound used to work with stable and now it doesn't work at all.I am using xfce4 and i386 arch |
| 15:02.33 | not_david | GNU\colossus: thanks. smartctl complained about an i|o error, but, stated 'SMART Disabled' in the end. only time will tell now. |
| 15:02.51 | cahoot | jdbs: run speaker-test -t wav -c2 |
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| 15:04.21 | mikunos | hi guys |
| 15:04.31 | jdbs | cahoot: http://pastebin.com/a8HGPxe1 |
| 15:05.05 | cahoot | jdbs: cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 15:05.40 | mikunos | I have 4 pc and one public ip. In order to offer a better performances by my servers have I set a public ip for each server? |
| 15:05.43 | jdbs | cahoot: http://pastebin.com/NsV1nZ53 |
| 15:06.33 | cahoot | jdbs: seems your tv card(?) got the defualt position - try alsa force-reload |
| 15:07.32 | jdbs | cahoot: can you help me with the syntax of that command? |
| 15:07.41 | jdbs | john@DebianXFCE:~$ alsa-force-reload |
| 15:07.43 | jdbs | bash: alsa-force-reload: command not found |
| 15:07.47 | cahoot | (as root) |
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| 15:08.01 | cahoot | jdbs: alsa force-reload |
| 15:08.31 | jdbs | cahoot: http://pastebin.com/vte4ie11 |
| 15:08.52 | cahoot | jdbs: cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 15:09.22 | jdbs | cahoot: http://pastebin.com/CNyVvDZ4 |
| 15:10.02 | cahoot | jdbs: seems you have to explicitly make hda-intel get index 0 |
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| 15:11.01 | jdbs | cahoot: can you please give me the specific syntax?I am a complete newb when it comes to sound & alsa |
| 15:11.39 | cahoot | echo -e "options snd-usb-audio index=1 \noptions snd-hda-intel index=0" >> /etc/modprobe.d/alsaoptions.conf |
| 15:11.43 | cahoot | err |
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| 15:12.15 | saby | hi i was trying to install pptpd but it wont start as /etc/pptpd.conf is missing |
| 15:13.10 | saby | Starting PPTP Daemon: /etc/pptpd.conf: No such file or directory |
| 15:13.11 | saby | pptpd. |
| 15:13.47 | jdbs | cahoot: http://pastebin.com/WbNVaUrU |
| 15:13.56 | jdbs | cahoot: it seems that nothing happened |
| 15:14.21 | cahoot | did you reoad alsa? |
| 15:14.25 | cahoot | reload |
| 15:14.27 | jdbs | nope |
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| 15:15.06 | jdbs | cahoot: http://pastebin.com/Y9VY3mQ7 |
| 15:15.40 | jdbs | cahoot: http://pastebin.com/y69EGmM8 |
| 15:15.44 | retrofit | !ops |
| 15:15.44 | dpkg | ops is probably Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 15:16.02 | xk | ops? |
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| 15:16.07 | retrofit | dpkg: ops $my penis is itching, can someone scratch it? |
| 15:16.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: retrofit complains about: $my penis is itching, can someone scratch it |
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| 15:16.22 | cahoot | jdbs: paste the alsaoptions.conf to a pastebin |
| 15:16.23 | retrofit | dpkg: ops $lets all get naked |
| 15:16.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: retrofit complains about: $lets all get naked |
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| 15:16.37 | retrofit | dpkg: ops $lets masturbate |
| 15:16.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: retrofit complains about: $lets masturbate |
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| 15:16.50 | retrofit | dpkg: ops $you can do it, lets all get gay |
| 15:16.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: retrofit complains about: $you can do it, lets all get gay |
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| 15:17.04 | akkark | you don't need that $ moron |
| 15:17.33 | jdbs | cahoot: where can i find that file? |
| 15:17.59 | cahoot | jdbs: /etc/modprobe.d/alsaoptions.conf |
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| 15:18.34 | jdbs | cahoot: http://pastebin.com/nzi1Pqr7 |
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| 15:19.09 | cahoot | jdbs: remove the first three lines |
| 15:19.27 | cahoot | 4 actually |
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| 15:20.22 | jdbs | cahoot: then rolad alsa? |
| 15:20.30 | cahoot | yes |
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| 15:21.22 | jdbs | cahoot: http://pastebin.com/u28t8HfH |
| 15:22.12 | cahoot | jdbs: hmm - modprobe snd-hda-intel; alsa force-reload |
| 15:23.21 | jdbs | cahoot: http://pastebin.com/FirTf2SH |
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| 15:24.16 | GNU\colossus | does Squeeze's kernel support KMS on ATI video cards? |
| 15:24.33 | cahoot | jdbs: paste /etc/modprobe.d/alsaoptions.conf again please |
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| 15:25.03 | Goliath | so to use uvesafb framebuffer do i have to disable grub2 framebuffer or force the use of uvesafb in the /etc/default/grub ? |
| 15:25.20 | jdbs | cahoot: http://pastebin.com/ZXaB9bMN |
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| 15:27.44 | jdbs | cahoot: is something wrong with that file? |
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| 15:29.09 | cahoot | no not as far as I can see, does modprobe snd-hda-intel return an error? |
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| 15:29.54 | mikunos | any suggestion? |
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| 15:30.39 | Erbureth | GNU\colossus: it does |
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| 15:30.50 | jdbs | cahoot: ? |
| 15:30.53 | Erbureth | actually it has for some time |
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| 15:31.15 | cahoot | jdbs: does modprobe snd-hda-intel return an error? |
| 15:31.31 | GNU\colossus | Erbureth, thanks. what about nvidia/nouveau? |
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| 15:31.49 | jdbs | cahoot: no |
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| 15:32.07 | superlinux | ok. I can run plymouth instead now. now I just want to see boot messages as the system boots and runs plymouth, how? |
| 15:32.09 | Erbureth | not sure about that |
| 15:32.23 | xk | how do you set software raid sync speed? |
| 15:32.24 | cahoot | jdbs: cat /proc/asound/modules |
| 15:32.46 | Erbureth | it should, especially using the kernel from experimental, but i have no machine to try it |
| 15:33.03 | jdbs | cahoot: http://pastebin.com/HWLYVSGh |
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| 15:33.26 | Wyzard | xk: /sys/block/md0/md/sync_speed* |
| 15:33.56 | xk | thanks |
| 15:33.57 | cahoot | jdbs: modprobe -r saa7134_alsa; modprobe snd-hda-intel; cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 15:34.12 | xk | actually, it's speed_limit :) |
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| 15:34.26 | xk | er, that's the /proc way. |
| 15:34.27 | xk | bah |
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| 15:35.18 | jdbs | cahoot: http://pastebin.com/s92eM16J |
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| 15:36.04 | jdbs | cahoot: as far as i can understand we accidentally deleted the real sound card and left the TVcard? |
| 15:36.39 | cahoot | at least removed the module |
| 15:36.49 | cahoot | (well unloaded) |
| 15:37.14 | cahoot | jdbs: modprobe snd-hda-intel returned no error |
| 15:37.17 | cahoot | ? |
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| 15:38.23 | jdbs | cahoot: yes see for yourself: http://pastebin.com/CFayLAZq |
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| 15:39.28 | cahoot | and still no card in /proc/asound/cards? |
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| 15:39.32 | jdbs | cahoot: what really bugs me is that just before the upgrade to squeeze sound worked perfectly,and actually without any configuration at all |
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| 15:39.53 | jdbs | cahoot: yes no soundcards |
| 15:40.07 | cahoot | jdbs: the problem was your tv card got postiton 0 i e 'default' |
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| 15:40.47 | jdbs | cahoot: and how do we change that? |
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| 15:41.14 | dyek | Hi! I'm using Debian Testing and Gnome Terminal 2.30.2. I have the terminal's ScrollBack set to a large number of lines. However, copy-n-paste doesn't work when highlighting large number of lines, copy and paste into an editor. Any guess what could cause the problem? I suppose it could be that Debian Testing's X CLIPBOARD selection has a buffer limit set, but I have no idea what is the mechanism. |
| 15:41.18 | cahoot | jdbs: by explicitly give hda-intel index 0 |
| 15:41.50 | jdbs | cahoot: ok,how i do that? |
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| 15:42.16 | cahoot | jdbs: that's the idea behind the line in alsaoptions.conf |
| 15:42.37 | jdbs | cahoot: so that option is already set and it just ignores it? |
| 15:42.48 | ElDiabolo | Is there an easier way to prevent execution of files in /tmp than mount -o noexec ? |
| 15:43.28 | jdbs | cahoot: wow i just realized we didnt reload alsa.now watch that: http://pastebin.com/5umJxjBd |
| 15:43.33 | themill | ElDiabolo: there's nothing wrong with doing that at all, but you have to fiddle around with dpkg to get that to work; /msg dpkg tmp noexec |
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| 15:43.42 | cahoot | jdbs: you could add the line options saa7134_alsa index=1 to that file |
| 15:43.46 | superlinux | what's "$@" in shell vocab ? |
| 15:44.19 | cahoot | jdbs: ok so now speaker-test -t wav -c2 |
| 15:44.49 | jdbs | cahoot: ok now it works |
| 15:45.03 | themill | superlinux: each element of the array quoted separately |
| 15:45.04 | jdbs | cahoot: is there something else we need to do? |
| 15:45.08 | superlinux | ok |
| 15:45.11 | cahoot | jdbs: you could add the line options saa7134_alsa index=1 to that file - to keep the correct card as 0 |
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| 15:46.26 | jdbs | cahoot: that's my file: http://pastebin.com/fEuG0HB8 is it ok? |
| 15:47.14 | cahoot | jdbs: see the line above - you want options as the first word |
| 15:47.49 | jdbs | cahoot: like this: http://pastebin.com/snX6gr6T ? |
| 15:47.50 | cahoot | jdbs: then alsa force-reload to test |
| 15:48.12 | cahoot | jdbs: ok now alsa force-reload to test |
| 15:48.36 | Jarvis | !sources |
| 15:48.37 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
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| 15:48.45 | jdbs | cahoot: ok i restarted and thet run the test again,still works. |
| 15:48.55 | cahoot | restarted? |
| 15:48.58 | cahoot | ok |
| 15:49.00 | jdbs | cahoot: reload alsa ;p |
| 15:49.22 | cahoot | show be consistent now |
| 15:49.25 | jdbs | cahoot: it seems that the problem is solved |
| 15:49.26 | cahoot | should |
| 15:49.35 | jdbs | cahoot: thank you so much for your time and effort |
| 15:49.38 | cahoot | np |
| 15:49.44 | jdbs | keep up the good work :) |
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| 15:54.23 | tharkun | Topic sounds so "Delivery room news" xD |
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| 15:55.10 | dvs | tharkun: What news? :-P |
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| 16:01.24 | rgammans | does anyone know whether libapache2-mod-wsgi works in daemon mode under debian. I think (haven't tested and don't know) it might not because the mod-wsgi docs say it need apache to runs as root and in debian apache runs as www-data |
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| 16:02.18 | themill | !no, progress is <reply>Follow the release progress at http://identi.ca/debian and http://debian-party-line.branchable.com/ . Archive frozen, cron jobs disabled, oldstable created, squeeze now stable in internal archive, CDs created and tested, live-cd creation in progress. Approximate schedule: http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseTimetable |
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| 16:09.52 | valdyn | rgammans: it runs as packaged in and for debian |
| 16:10.37 | rgammans | valdyn: in daemon mode as opposed to embedded right? |
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| 16:11.02 | mibocote | if I restart iscsitarget, will clients continue to work as long as their targets don't go missing? |
| 16:11.04 | valdyn | rgammans: whats embedded mode supposed to mean? |
| 16:11.05 | rgammans | was planning on using the packaged versions |
| 16:11.13 | rgammans | valdyn |
| 16:11.16 | valdyn | rgammans: why would running it as daemon make any difference at all? |
| 16:11.35 | rgammans | valdn: because the daemon mode needs to user switch |
| 16:11.52 | valdyn | rgammans: sounds like nonsense |
| 16:12.11 | rgammans | valdyn: huh. Non-root users aren't allowed to su |
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| 16:12.28 | valdyn | rgammans: what has that to do with "daemon" mode? |
| 16:12.29 | ws2k3 | hello guys |
| 16:12.41 | valdyn | rgammans: youre making up things, just install the debian package |
| 16:12.58 | rgammans | valdyn: daemon mode has the option to run the python app under a different user. I want to do that |
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| 16:14.53 | valdyn | rgammans: i still dont see the problem |
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| 16:14.59 | valdyn | rgammans: debians apache starts as root |
| 16:15.12 | valdyn | rgammans: the www-data processes are spawned off by root |
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| 16:15.33 | rgammans | valdyn: true, but it casts away it's privs early. and need apache-suexec helper normall for suexeccgi |
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| 16:15.36 | ws2k3 | i need to chmod /dev/pts and /var/run/screen. but if i do that and i reboot then i need to chmod it again. how can i solve that |
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| 16:16.10 | stew | ws2k3: with your eventual goal of running screen from apache? |
| 16:16.21 | stew | ws2k3: realize that apache isn't going to be in a tty |
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| 16:16.59 | ws2k3 | stew what do u mean with tty |
| 16:17.23 | rgammans | stew: wsk3 didn't mention apache - thats me and different problem |
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| 16:20.13 | ws2k3 | sorry i realy dont understand |
| 16:20.23 | ws2k3 | what do u mean? |
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| 16:22.29 | Cain | Hi, i have the following error ==> http://pastebin.com/wXdzK0vP |
| 16:22.56 | Cain | do i have to reboot the server for the new hard disks to be mounted (with the UUID stuff) ? |
| 16:23.50 | JordiGH | doubts it, rebooting is for running a new kernel. |
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| 16:25.57 | funyun | abrotman: so if i install a debian kernel. all of these problems will dissappear? |
| 16:26.02 | Cain | JordiGH : so do you have any idea why the system can't fin them ? |
| 16:26.11 | Cain | s/fin/find |
| 16:27.00 | JordiGH | Cain: No, but I doubt rebooting will fix your problems. |
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| 16:27.44 | Cain | JordiGH : it will be so easy ? :D |
| 16:28.03 | abrotman | funyun: not sure .. how many problems are we up to? :) |
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| 16:42.32 | ws2k3 | i need to chmod /dev/pts and /var/run/screen. but if i do that and i reboot then i need to chmod it again. how can i solve that |
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| 16:43.59 | themill | ws2k3: if you think you need to do that, you're doing it all wrong. |
| 16:45.47 | ws2k3 | how should i do it then |
| 16:46.11 | ws2k3 | the goal is that i can startup the program screen with user www-data |
| 16:46.46 | ws2k3 | how should i do it then ? |
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| 16:48.31 | nsadmin | hi, getting this when I aptitude update: "E: Release file expired, ignoring http://<mirrorsite>/debian/dists/sqeeze/Release (invalid since 4d 2h 24min 29s)" |
| 16:49.01 | abrotman | try another mirror perhaps? |
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| 16:49.14 | nsadmin | and, this happens before it downloads the dmm source, and so apt-cache policy doesn't show the dmm |
| 16:49.21 | nsadmin | ok |
| 16:49.29 | Creatura85 | how about waiting |
| 16:49.30 | nsadmin | so it's something about the mirror? |
| 16:49.33 | Creatura85 | debian 6 will come |
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| 16:49.53 | Creatura85 | and after all mirrors are synced |
| 16:49.54 | abrotman | nsadmin: my mirror works fine .. no such error |
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| 16:50.02 | Creatura85 | the problem might get resolved |
| 16:50.09 | nsadmin | Creatura85, if I want packages from dmm, that's not an option |
| 16:50.33 | abrotman | nsadmin: i don't have the dmm stuff though |
| 16:50.36 | nsadmin | hmm, I want my m4 file :) |
| 16:50.52 | rgammans | ws2k3:after you've su'd to www-data right ? |
| 16:51.11 | nsadmin | I'm not so sure dmm is influential toward the problem... it errors before it even sees it |
| 16:51.18 | nsadmin | at least that's my theory |
| 16:51.19 | abrotman | what is the actual error ? |
| 16:51.27 | abrotman | instead of some vague <foo> junk |
| 16:52.07 | themill | nsadmin: is the date correct on that machine? |
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| 16:52.08 | nsadmin | well the actual error includes my mirror which I don't really want to give away; however I could /msg it to you |
| 16:52.18 | nsadmin | hmm, not sure |
| 16:52.18 | abrotman | nsadmin: your personal mirror? |
| 16:52.31 | nsadmin | no, just one that's really fast to me |
| 16:52.35 | abrotman | wtf |
| 16:52.36 | Cain | JordiGH : is the UUID change after formatting the disk ? |
| 16:52.43 | JordiGH | Cain: I don't know. |
| 16:53.01 | nsadmin | if you'd like to see it, I'd be willing to /msg it to you |
| 16:53.05 | Cain | i rebooted the server and now i have different uuids |
| 16:53.26 | abrotman | nsadmin: if it's a public mirror .. just put it in here .. not like you're giving away secret info |
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| 16:54.06 | nsadmin | let me see if I can solve the actual problem... |
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| 16:54.15 | rgammans | Cain:I belive mkeXfs will change a fs's UUID (where x=2,3,4 and probably others) |
| 16:54.42 | Cain | rgammans : that's what happened to me i guess |
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| 16:55.12 | gorthaug | hi |
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| 16:55.33 | nsadmin | security isn't up for squeeze, is it? |
| 16:55.48 | rgammans | Cain: mount by UUID can be a pain, if use tar to image desktops I always have to fix up afterwards ifmount be UUID is used. |
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| 16:56.09 | qwd | nsadmin: ftp-team reports, that the security archive is also ready. But similar to the main archive and the CD images not yet pushed to the public. (from identi.ca) |
| 16:56.31 | themill | nsadmin: has been for 2 years. |
| 16:57.05 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 16:57.35 | Cain | rgammans before that i mounted with the 'classic' /dev/Path/To/Disk but from to time to time when it reboot the path change (Disk 1 become /dev/sdb and disk 2 become /dev/sda...) |
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| 16:57.43 | nsadmin | qwd, themill, thanks for info |
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| 16:58.45 | gorthaug | i've a problem with my eeepc using debian squeeze. in the start, using only the battery, it stop saying "Setting super hybrid engine according to configuration...(battery)... " |
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| 16:59.19 | nsadmin | different mirror solved the problem |
| 16:59.36 | rgammans | Cain: yup. that's why mount by uuid is normally prefered these days. It's sda/b/c ordering depends on all sorts of thing which can't be guaranteed stable in the general case. particalurly not across kernel upgrades. |
| 17:00.13 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Remember fast for you isn't fast for everybody. |
| 17:00.15 | Agiofws | any particularities in installing wine in squeeze ? |
| 17:00.24 | Agiofws | !wine |
| 17:00.24 | dpkg | Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ . The beta Wine packages from lamaresh.net are not supported in #debian. http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ http://www.winehq.org/ #winehq on irc.freenode.net. See also <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. |
| 17:00.56 | rgammans | dpkg mmap_min_addr |
| 17:00.57 | dpkg | mmap_min_addr is a kernel tunable, specifying the minimum virtual address a process can map. Low values increase susceptibility to NULL pointer privilege escalation. The default value on Debian systems increased from 0 to 4096 as of <5.0.4>, which may impact the operation of <dosemu>, <qemu> and <wine>. See http://wiki.debian.org/mmap_min_addr for more information. |
| 17:01.02 | jhutchins_lt | intends to wait until Monday at least before trying to reach a server. |
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| 17:02.17 | Cain | rgammans : well fixed ^^ it was the mkreiserfs who change the uuid, i had to reboot to get the new uuids ^^ |
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| 17:07.11 | Bersam | some body correct this pictures! http://news.debian.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/squeeze_countdown.png i think Debian will published in few hours not 3 days |
| 17:07.20 | Nirgal | Does anyone knows why squeeze was not numbered 5.1 ? |
| 17:07.25 | Shockcore | hi, i have a 2.6.18 kernel on a machine that when it boot it ask a password to mount the root fs. i installed new kernel using apt-get (2.6.26) and when i try to boot this one i get cryptsetup: source device /dev/sda5 not found. how can i fix up the new kernel? |
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| 17:08.45 | superlinux | I just want to comment how resuming from a sleep is AWESOME!! |
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| 17:09.02 | superlinux | it's much like a tv on/off |
| 17:09.12 | cahoot | slept well obviously |
| 17:09.16 | qwd | Nirgal: Because 5 is Lenny. New release -> new number. |
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| 17:09.44 | markit | hi, I'm booting from a systemrescuecd, how can I tell the filesystem of the hard disk? |
| 17:09.57 | markit | (can't use "mount" since it's not mounted) |
| 17:10.11 | Nirgal | qwd: I mean lenny is 5.0.1 --> 5.0.8 .... nothing uses 5.1 ... why 6? |
| 17:10.20 | Bersam | Nirgal: i think bcaz etch numbreed 4.0.x and lenny numbered 5.0.x so squeeze might be 6.0.x |
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| 17:10.46 | Bersam | Nirgal: bcaz they can do that! |
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| 17:11.14 | ws2k3 | i need to chmod /dev/pts and /var/run/screen. but if i do that and i reboot then i need to chmod it again. how can i solve that |
| 17:11.23 | stew | Nirgal: the answer is "because this is the way the release team wanted it." i wouldn't worry about it too much |
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| 17:11.33 | Nirgal | ok ok then :) |
| 17:11.33 | Xplain | 5.1 should be lenny-n-half which was not (yet) released |
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| 17:11.50 | macrobat | ws2k3: put it in /etc/rc.local |
| 17:11.55 | Nirgal | Xplain: thanks |
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| 17:12.22 | cahoot | aren't ther perms set by some udevrule? |
| 17:12.27 | Cain | ws2k3 : you can use cron tu perform that ==> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-do-i-add-jobs-to-cron-under-linux-or-unix-oses/ |
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| 17:12.45 | el_lobo--d-_-b | buenas |
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| 17:12.46 | macrobat | my solution is worse |
| 17:12.52 | el_lobo--d-_-b | mmm sorry |
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| 17:13.16 | ws2k3 | cahoot |
| 17:13.19 | ws2k3 | no |
| 17:13.25 | ws2k3 | i dont know how to do that |
| 17:13.44 | ws2k3 | cain that walking around the problem instead of fixing it |
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| 17:14.49 | ws2k3 | cahoot how should u do that? |
| 17:15.03 | cahoot | I don't think I would |
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| 17:16.08 | ws2k3 | what do u mean i dont understand |
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| 17:17.30 | rgammans | ws2k3: screen won't run after su. Call screen then su to www-data |
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| 17:18.03 | ws2k3 | rgammans the problem that its called from php exec |
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| 17:18.16 | ws2k3 | and the user that runs that commands it www-data |
| 17:18.21 | rgammans | huh. why? |
| 17:18.36 | rgammans | as inwhy is php calling screen |
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| 17:19.00 | ws2k3 | i have a web page |
| 17:19.09 | ws2k3 | and i start a program with it |
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| 17:19.32 | rgammans | ws2k3: so... why do you need screen? |
| 17:19.53 | stew | ws2k3: apache won't be running in a tty |
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| 17:20.16 | ws2k3 | i want the program to be started in a different session |
| 17:20.29 | ws2k3 | so can i run and manage differens sessions |
| 17:20.31 | ws2k3 | start one |
| 17:20.35 | ws2k3 | stop one |
| 17:20.38 | ws2k3 | etc |
| 17:20.46 | stew | so when you try to run screen from your apache process, instead of "can't open your terminal" your error will be "Must be connected to a terminal." |
| 17:20.49 | Python132O | Anyone familiar with the Virtual Ethernet Tunnel? I can't get it to work with my bridge :( |
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| 17:21.35 | ws2k3 | stew how do u mean |
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| 17:22.58 | rgammans | ws2k3: so why use screen . does someone ssh in and connect to the sessions? |
| 17:23.20 | ws2k3 | yeah |
| 17:23.42 | ws2k3 | it already have tryed different things |
| 17:23.49 | ws2k3 | but it realy needs to be screen |
| 17:23.51 | stew | ws2k3: run "ps -eo tty,cmd" you'll see that when you run screen, its trying to take over the tty, when you were having trouble with www-data not owning /dev/pts/2 whatever, its becuase you are trying to run screen in this tty. if you look at your apache processes, they aren't running in a tty at all |
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| 17:25.04 | ws2k3 | stew sorry i still dont fully understand |
| 17:25.07 | ws2k3 | when irun that command |
| 17:25.09 | ws2k3 | i get a list |
| 17:25.12 | ws2k3 | with processes |
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| 17:25.30 | stew | ws2k3: ok, so you are trying to chmod /dev/pts/something so that www-data can run screen, right? |
| 17:25.39 | ws2k3 | yeah |
| 17:25.46 | ws2k3 | i need to chmod /dev/pts and /var/run/screen. but if i do that and i reboot then i need to chmod it again. how can i solve that |
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| 17:26.07 | stew | ws2k3: look in that list at your apache processes and see which pts they are attached to, those are the ones you need to chmod |
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| 17:26.34 | stew | ws2k3: but alas, there is none for apache, you get a "?" instead of something like "pts/2" becuase there is no terminal, and therefore screen cannot run |
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| 17:26.52 | ws2k3 | aah i understand |
| 17:26.59 | ws2k3 | i have a ? yeah that right |
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| 17:27.38 | ws2k3 | bu what is a tty1 |
| 17:27.48 | ws2k3 | or tty6 |
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| 17:27.56 | ws2k3 | and i have a pts/0 twice |
| 17:28.14 | juhaj_ | Bushmills, Essobi: The swap device is not the fastest there is (laptop hdd@5400), but I do not believe that's the problem. The problem is the amount of unnecessary swapping. |
| 17:28.37 | ws2k3 | stew the question is how we can solve that |
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| 17:29.17 | ws2k3 | some guys already talkes about udev? |
| 17:29.32 | ws2k3 | maby i can use that? |
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| 17:32.32 | juhaj_ | Can I see the age of cached blocks somewhere? I am quite sure my kernel completely forgets to write out some pages for some reason. Or, alternatively, it does not realize they should be written out. |
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| 17:35.04 | ws2k3 | ? |
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| 17:36.45 | xxtjaxx | congrats folks! ;) |
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| 17:40.46 | valdyn | juhaj_: any reason why you would have a kernel bug in mind primarily? |
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| 17:41.11 | tuxuser_ | could you maybe have a short look here http://pastebin.com/HiA8vwpB |
| 17:41.18 | tuxuser_ | Dont get what I am doin wrong |
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| 17:41.38 | tuxuser_ | also.. without supplying the --revision parameter it produces exact same filename |
| 17:42.14 | valdyn | tuxuser_: thats silly |
| 17:42.43 | tuxuser_ | the "error" or the procedure i am doin? |
| 17:43.17 | valdyn | tuxuser_: theres no error. Trying to get a kernel package labeled with a version that is different to debian standard |
| 17:43.23 | valdyn | tuxuser_: .. is silly |
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| 17:43.45 | tuxuser_ | oh.. so the tag HAS to be there twice? |
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| 17:44.24 | valdyn | tuxuser_: strictily speaking no, but make-kpkg probably supports only this |
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| 17:44.50 | tuxuser_ | shit, ok |
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| 17:45.53 | tuxuser_ | nvm |
| 17:46.03 | tuxuser_ | it produces proper filenames tho :) |
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| 17:46.11 | ws2k3 | ??? |
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| 17:48.59 | InfectedSoul | hello on my vps it says i need to install openssl dev and binary how do i? |
| 17:49.42 | Wulf | install libssl-dev package |
| 17:49.42 | stew | InfectedSoul: aptitude install libssl-dev |
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| 17:51.11 | Getty | i used the current testing netinstall for an USB stick, i also added the rtl-firmware file so that the installer finds it, he also says that it loads it proper, but DHCP doesnt work and also if i configure manually i dont get the networking to run, and yes ;) the cable works, if i boot my old installation of the system it works just fine (also squeeze with the same rtl firmware, but upgraded |
| 17:51.12 | Getty | from lenny)) |
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| 17:52.33 | rgammans | valdyn: you were right. I was worrying unnecessarily |
| 17:52.39 | JordiGH | I like how the release play-by-play is full of interesting Debian facts. |
| 17:52.51 | Lokpest | "he" :D |
| 17:53.07 | JordiGH | Underneath Debian's beard, there is only another Debian. Making a fist. |
| 17:53.19 | Lokpest | ofc! |
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| 17:54.46 | Lokpest | oblig: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8u7px_GzWQ |
| 17:54.49 | ws2k3 | i need to chmod /dev/pts and /var/run/screen. but if i do that and i reboot then i need to chmod it again. how can i solve that |
| 17:54.58 | Lokpest | sorry for the flash ;( |
| 17:55.34 | InfectedSoul | thanks :D |
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| 17:56.25 | stew | ws2k3: you don't want that, /dev/pts/foo is owned by the user that is logged in to that terminal at the time it is created. you don't want to change this |
| 17:56.31 | juhaj_ | valdyn: Since this behaviour started around 2.6.30 and all the /proc tricks that I (and some here) know of have been tried. |
| 17:56.37 | InfectedSoul | build something for make right? |
| 17:56.51 | juhaj_ | valdyn: That includes drop_caches, swappiness, dirty_ratios etc |
| 17:57.13 | ws2k3 | stew i understand that |
| 17:57.19 | InfectedSoul | !build-essintails |
| 17:57.24 | ws2k3 | but i realy want that www-data can startup screen |
| 17:57.40 | stew | ws2k3: it can when you login as www-data |
| 17:57.59 | ws2k3 | how u mean |
| 17:58.03 | juhaj_ | valdyn: But I am clutching for straws here, really. The kernel might be fine and some program just messing with cached memory (though I cannot see how - except by keeping huge mmaped files open) |
| 17:58.04 | ws2k3 | if i login as root |
| 17:58.13 | stew | ws2k3: no, if you login as www-data |
| 17:58.23 | ws2k3 | and then su www-data then i cant start screen |
| 17:58.35 | stew | ws2k3: why do you need screen running as the www-data user? |
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| 17:58.51 | ws2k3 | because www-data need to start program |
| 17:58.55 | ws2k3 | inside screen |
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| 17:59.35 | abrotman | *fear* |
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| 18:00.10 | rgammans | ws2k3: is www-data an appropriate user for that program? |
| 18:00.42 | ws2k3 | what u mean |
| 18:00.49 | stew | ws2k3: why does the program need to run as www-data? and does it really need screen? or is nohup enough? |
| 18:00.50 | yoshio | !build-essential |
| 18:00.50 | dpkg | from memory, build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 18:01.25 | ws2k3 | because i need to start screen from a .php page |
| 18:01.31 | ws2k3 | apache runs command as www-data |
| 18:01.36 | rgammans | ws2k3: does that program need _exactly_the same permissions to run that www-data is granted. if not perhaps you shoudl create a seperate user account for the program |
| 18:02.01 | ws2k3 | the program himself no |
| 18:02.03 | ws2k3 | every use can run it |
| 18:02.09 | ws2k3 | but the probleem is screen itself |
| 18:02.26 | stew | ws2k3: you can't, apache isn't running in a tty |
| 18:02.36 | un214 | I always found it amusing that apt-get install gcc doesn't install a working gcc |
| 18:02.45 | un214 | I used to do apt-get build-dep gcc |
| 18:02.52 | ws2k3 | stew so ur saying its impossible? |
| 18:03.06 | ws2k3 | its impossible to run screen as www-data? |
| 18:03.08 | Lokpest | define "working gcc"... :D |
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| 18:03.48 | stew | ws2k3: i'm able to run screen as www-data |
| 18:03.49 | Lokpest | GCC - God-awful Compiler Crap |
| 18:03.57 | ws2k3 | how |
| 18:04.03 | ws2k3 | yeah if u login with ssh? |
| 18:04.06 | stew | ws2k3: by logging in as www-data |
| 18:04.12 | rgammans | ws2k: have you tried the and '-d -m' switch |
| 18:04.16 | ws2k3 | and thats exacly what i dont want |
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| 18:04.22 | ws2k3 | i wanne startup my machine |
| 18:04.31 | ws2k3 | and then the website can execute the command |
| 18:04.37 | ws2k3 | rgammans when |
| 18:04.39 | stew | ws2k3: why does this need to be running in screen? |
| 18:04.40 | ws2k3 | in screen or what |
| 18:04.46 | Lokpest | http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/GCC Theo in his best |
| 18:04.53 | ws2k3 | its easyer to run multi sessions then |
| 18:05.02 | rgammans | ws2k3: when you start screen... |
| 18:05.09 | stew | rgammans: he can't start screen becuase there is no tty |
| 18:05.21 | rgammans | stew: -d -m doesn't need a tty |
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| 18:06.03 | ws2k3 | then i get the error |
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| 18:06.35 | ws2k3 | this /var/run/screen most have mode 777 |
| 18:06.45 | ws2k3 | but if i chmod that folder and i reboot it gone |
| 18:06.54 | ws2k3 | so thats the next problem them |
| 18:08.01 | ws2k3 | i can make a script that runs at startup that chmod that folder |
| 18:08.09 | ws2k3 | but is there not another way |
| 18:08.20 | valdyn | ws2k3: you should tell us what you really need to do, this is to ugly to be truely necessary |
| 18:08.30 | Arrowmaster | stew: i start screen from rc.local, i didnt think that had a tty... |
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| 18:09.03 | ws2k3 | valldyn its start a gameserver |
| 18:09.12 | ws2k3 | but because i run multiple gameservers |
| 18:09.21 | ws2k3 | and the web page most add some and kill some |
| 18:09.30 | ws2k3 | it was much easyer so to it with screen |
| 18:09.46 | valdyn | ws2k3: we have daemon-tools for this |
| 18:09.54 | ws2k3 | if i do it without screen i get bugs sometimes the program didnt stop |
| 18:10.07 | ws2k3 | explane what do u mean |
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| 18:10.25 | valdyn | ws2k3: apt-cache show daemontools |
| 18:10.40 | ws2k3 | i only know daemontools from windows:P |
| 18:10.50 | valdyn | ws2k3: thats something entirely different |
| 18:10.58 | ws2k3 | i know just kidding |
| 18:11.15 | ws2k3 | hmm |
| 18:11.25 | ws2k3 | so u sawy i should use daemontools? |
| 18:11.34 | valdyn | ws2k3: yes |
| 18:12.11 | ws2k3 | and can www-data start services |
| 18:12.13 | ws2k3 | and stop services |
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| 18:12.29 | valdyn | ws2k3: no user is restricted from running services |
| 18:12.41 | ws2k3 | so i cant use www-data? |
| 18:12.47 | valdyn | ws2k3: obviously non-root users cannot set a user id though |
| 18:13.04 | kj4 | how can I find out if debian-unstable includes xfce4.8? |
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| 18:13.22 | JordiGH | kj4: http://packages.debian.org |
| 18:13.30 | hid3 | Any ideas how's the squeeze release process going? |
| 18:13.35 | kj4 | JordiGH: thank you |
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| 18:13.41 | ws2k3 | valdyn i prefer so stick to screen |
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| 18:13.48 | JordiGH | hid3: http://identi.ca/debian |
| 18:13.51 | valdyn | ws2k3: your problem |
| 18:13.53 | ws2k3 | because the whole php page is based on that |
| 18:13.54 | akkark | omg, he just can't be serious |
| 18:14.31 | Lokpest | php... |
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| 18:14.34 | ws2k3 | valdyn are u sure i can do the same with daemontools as what i do with screen |
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| 18:15.00 | valdyn | ws2k3: daemontools is *made* for controlling services, screen is not |
| 18:15.00 | stew | ws2k3: what do you do with screen that you can't do with tailing logs / using kill |
| 18:15.01 | juann | hi |
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| 18:15.30 | valdyn | ws2k3: and while im sure screen can be used as part of the solution its silly to use screen at all for this |
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| 18:15.43 | juhaj_ | valdyn: Hmm... I just noticed my .xsession-errors is 4.5G in size... could that be forcing parts of it to stay in cache? |
| 18:15.51 | juann | any ideas where i can find scripts for generating deb pkgs? |
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| 18:16.14 | ws2k3 | so can i do the same with daemontools as with screen? |
| 18:16.18 | valdyn | juhaj_: no, but writing that file can force less used pages into swap |
| 18:16.21 | ws2k3 | i know screen isnt ment for this |
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| 18:17.19 | theprep_ | Looking to move from Ubuntu to Sqeeze, not sure which AMD64 ISO to download, there are several to choose from. Can someone tell me the correct one? |
| 18:17.37 | valdyn | theprep_: netinstall |
| 18:18.06 | valdyn | theprep_: they are all correct, but netinstall is small, which may be more convenient |
| 18:18.06 | theprep_ | [valdyn] thank you, just install extras after that? Does it have a GUI installer? |
| 18:18.21 | valdyn | theprep_: yes and I dont know |
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| 18:18.53 | kj4 | theprep_: have you ever tried the XFCE desktop? |
| 18:18.57 | theprep_ | I tried on an old Imac PPC version, got really fudged up. Like an alternate cd. Tons of required files were missing |
| 18:19.12 | theprep_ | [kj4] no I have not, is it POS? |
| 18:19.51 | kj4 | theprep_: i prefer it to gnome- the reason i ask, is there exists an xfce iso that is pretty nice- gui install. works great |
| 18:20.07 | ws2k3 | valdyn can u explane me how i should use daemontools? |
| 18:20.12 | bonjoyee | theprep_: look up the file listings for various discs..and decide what you need.. |
| 18:20.15 | Arrowmaster | netinstall can install all 4 desktop environments |
| 18:20.32 | theprep_ | this one : http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_rc2/amd64/iso-cd/debian-squeeze-di-rc2-amd64-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso |
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| 18:20.51 | theprep_ | [Arrowmaster] it ask which I'd like? |
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| 18:21.00 | bonjoyee | theprep_: personally..id say start with the minimal cd..and build it up from there..its not that hard.. |
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| 18:21.09 | kj4 | theprep_: that is the one i'd try, yes. you might like xfce, maybe not : ) |
| 18:21.17 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 18:21.21 | theprep_ | is it KDE? |
| 18:21.25 | Arrowmaster | its part of the boot menu |
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| 18:21.49 | ws2k3 | how should i start deamontools |
| 18:22.12 | theprep_ | Ok, I will burn both. If I hate one or the other, I'm covered. |
| 18:22.14 | ahimza | why should u use deamontools? |
| 18:22.16 | theprep_ | thanks for the 411 |
| 18:22.30 | Lokpest | 411? |
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| 18:22.39 | ahimza | i think it does'nt even exist for linux |
| 18:22.41 | theprep_ | 411= information |
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| 18:22.56 | theprep_ | US telephone code |
| 18:23.02 | Arrowmaster | ahimza: different daemontools |
| 18:23.06 | Lokpest | ah, Im getting that old? |
| 18:23.07 | theprep_ | for information on land/cellular |
| 18:23.15 | theprep_ | lol, nah. I'm weird |
| 18:23.22 | dotcoder | ws2k3: http://cr.yp.to/daemontools/faq/create.html |
| 18:23.35 | Lokpest | ah, Im european, im covered :) |
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| 18:24.46 | theprep_ | [Arrowmaster] is the net iso the one that goes to a USB? Or can you install on a CD. Never perfected the USB install |
| 18:25.18 | pistolpete | CD |
| 18:25.23 | Lokpest | yeah, dont confuse deamontools with "DAEMON tools" |
| 18:25.36 | ws2k3 | yeah i saw |
| 18:26.12 | ahimza | yes me too |
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| 18:26.28 | dotcoder | theprep_: squeeze net iso is hybrid - you can go both with CD or USB (just dd it) |
| 18:26.36 | stew | theprep_: either usb or cd |
| 18:26.47 | theprep_ | good to know, thanks guyes |
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| 18:27.14 | gnude | how far is squeeze? did it come this weekend? |
| 18:27.31 | akkark | it's in the process |
| 18:27.38 | akkark | few hours to go |
| 18:27.39 | dotcoder | gnude: topic |
| 18:27.58 | g0rd0n | lol |
| 18:28.06 | gnude | oh. i dont read. |
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| 18:28.13 | g0rd0n | who does |
| 18:28.14 | gnude | very very nice! |
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| 18:29.32 | Lokpest | yes, we are all on the internet just to look at the pictures |
| 18:29.44 | gnude | which pictures? |
| 18:29.50 | Lokpest | ;) |
| 18:30.11 | gnude | ok. i understand. |
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| 18:30.24 | gnude | the line in my head is very long.... |
| 18:30.32 | Arrowmaster | pictures are so 1990s, now its streaming video |
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| 18:31.08 | katsrc_ | hi all, what are some good web based torrent managers available on debian? |
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| 18:32.57 | akkark | transmission has web interface if i get you right |
| 18:33.09 | Arrowmaster | deluge does too |
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| 18:34.34 | akkark | not that those were debian-specific though :) |
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| 18:35.14 | dustymite | katsrc_: apt-cache search torrent |
| 18:35.24 | ws2k3 | hello guys |
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| 18:35.45 | gnude | hi |
| 18:35.56 | ws2k3 | at this time i have made a script that does chmod 777 to /var/run/screen thats runs at startup:P i know its a stupid silly way |
| 18:36.11 | gnude | i am shorty afk |
| 18:36.22 | ws2k3 | but at this point i use this in the future when i know a little bit more about linux i will chang eit |
| 18:36.31 | ws2k3 | thanks alot for all ur help guys ur great! |
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| 18:37.09 | yang | where are instruction on how to setup debian.net vhost ? |
| 18:37.28 | abrotman | yang: are you a DD? |
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| 18:39.15 | yang | abrotman: its only for DD's ? |
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| 18:39.32 | yang | i thought it was a public one |
| 18:40.01 | lordguinness | hi guys. I have an issue with lvm. I renamed my volume group, updated fstab and ran grup-update. |
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| 18:40.15 | lordguinness | somehow hibernate does not work after renaming the vg |
| 18:40.17 | abrotman | yang: all the ones i see listed are from DDs .. what hostname do you want ? |
| 18:40.34 | lordguinness | if i change the name back to the old vg name, everything is working fine |
| 18:40.53 | abrotman | yang: and what purpose do you want 'yang.debian.net' ? |
| 18:40.58 | abrotman | it's not for 'vanity domains' |
| 18:41.05 | lordguinness | update-initramfs doesn't help. what else is to do after renaming a vg ? |
| 18:41.27 | yang | maybe to run a blog on it |
| 18:41.45 | abrotman | that's not what they're for |
| 18:41.56 | hid3 | Good evening abrotman! |
| 18:42.00 | abrotman | hi |
| 18:42.04 | yang | ok, can you point me to the manual for the aliases ? |
| 18:42.16 | abrotman | still not what they're for |
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| 18:42.34 | jelly-home | who manages debian.net dns anyway |
| 18:42.36 | stew | yang: http://db.debian.org/doc-mail.html |
| 18:42.40 | stew | jelly-home: dsa |
| 18:42.51 | Raydiation | hi, what info do i have to have in the copyright file for packaging? |
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| 18:42.56 | abrotman | don't you have to be in the db to get a hostname ? |
| 18:42.59 | Raydiation | is it fine to just put the gpl text into it? |
| 18:43.03 | stew | Raydiation: see policy 12.5 |
| 18:43.30 | yang | so you can become a DD only if you package stuff, or are there also other roles (translations, help etc. ) |
| 18:43.45 | stew | yang: there are other roles since our most recent vote |
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| 18:47.12 | abrotman | wasn't there a domain that they were going to use for normal peopel to be associated with Debian ? |
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| 18:47.57 | Lokpest | debiandudes.org ? :D |
| 18:48.11 | abrotman | was that holger that was doing that ? |
| 18:48.22 | akkark | laugh @ _normal_ |
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| 18:53.51 | yang | stew: /win 4 |
| 18:54.48 | stew | YAY 4! |
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| 18:57.21 | juhaj_ | valdyn: *file* into swap? That would imply memmapped file, would it not? Or how do you mean .xsession-errors ends in swap? I am not trying to say you are wrong: I think this huge open file might indeed be the cause of the problem... |
| 18:58.06 | kaeser | didn't it come out yet? |
| 18:58.08 | juhaj_ | valdyn: Next step is to shrink that file and prevent it from growing so huge again - now THAT will be a challenge without killing X... =) |
| 18:58.14 | kaeser | debian, I am disappoint |
| 18:58.41 | Lokpest | ed |
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| 19:05.59 | dvs | Anything going on today? :-> |
| 19:06.29 | akkark | topic says yes |
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| 19:06.37 | Bersam | hehe |
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| 19:07.42 | Erbureth | dvs: nothing important... |
| 19:07.53 | dvs | oh ok... |
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| 19:11.41 | mordocai | So, i have a message similar to this: Feb 4 23:24:45 mordocai-debian pulseaudio[2757]: ratelimit.c: 16 events suppressed every 5ish seconds in /var/log/messages. Is this a problem? |
| 19:12.16 | neglesaks | i get the same in ubuntu and have had it for about a year. its not as much a problem as an annoyance |
| 19:12.38 | simonrvn | scroll up in the file, it'll say what it is |
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| 19:12.57 | neglesaks | some users report gettign it togetehr with choppy sound, but my sound is alright. i just dont know whats causing it |
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| 19:13.37 | cousin_mario | hello |
| 19:14.20 | mordocai | simonrvn: The only other thing I have is some of these: Feb 1 19:23:20 mordocai-debian pulseaudio[2757]: asyncq.c: q overrun, queuing locally(relating to pulseaudio anwyays). I also have: Feb 4 09:52:45 mordocai-debian kernel: [1006401.297280] svidl[6613]: segfault at 40 ip 00002ab5d6242d61 sp 00007fff8c24a7d0 error 4 in libtllx.so[2ab5d61c8000+c0000] which looks a bit more ominus. |
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| 19:15.12 | jordanm | mordocai: segfault is not good. bugs.debian.org |
| 19:15.13 | simonrvn | 'ominous'. that svidl thingy crashed. probably some bug. |
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| 19:15.22 | simonrvn | yes, ^^ |
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| 19:16.57 | Lokpest | segfaults are teh horror: http://xkcd.com/371/ |
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| 19:17.11 | neglesaks | libtllx.so appears to be tied to openoffice or libreoffice |
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| 19:17.46 | amphi | Lokpest: heh |
| 19:17.57 | jordanm | ,file libtllx.so |
| 19:18.00 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 19:18.14 | jordanm | ,file libtllx.so --release sid |
| 19:18.17 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
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| 19:19.41 | mordocai | neglesaks: That'd be it then, i've been compiling libreoffice and I ran into a segfault once. |
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| 19:25.16 | cousin_mario | Is it possible the images that have just been built or does one have to wait for all the archs to be finished? |
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| 19:25.36 | neglesaks | alright. |
| 19:26.53 | linuxguy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:28.00 | hid3 | hell yeah, squeeze! |
| 19:28.04 | linuxguy | is is out now pls? |
| 19:28.14 | hid3 | it's *almost*, I think |
| 19:28.46 | linuxguy | hid thanks........just the finishing touches for the mirrors? |
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| 19:29.46 | neglesaks | http://identi.ca/debian/ |
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| 19:31.56 | hid3 | They really need to make a squeeze release progess bar with percentage indication!! ;-) |
| 19:31.57 | simonrvn | supposed to be today/tomorrow |
| 19:32.22 | DotHack | go go go |
| 19:32.26 | hid3 | Hope it'll be today! |
| 19:32.39 | hid3 | althouh it's only 2 hours left of 'today' |
| 19:33.00 | jhutchins_lt | hid3: Ten hours left here. |
| 19:33.03 | geekosopher | hid3: its already tomorrow here ;) |
| 19:33.10 | hid3 | nice! ;-) |
| 19:33.28 | hid3 | and what's the timezone the release date is considered to be? |
| 19:33.31 | hid3 | is it UTC? |
| 19:33.37 | simonrvn | still 10h here... |
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| 19:33.39 | Raydiation | i got this postinst file and the script hangs at restarting apache http://paste.pocoo.org/show/332732/ |
| 19:33.40 | babilen | cousin_mario: No official images yet |
| 19:33.42 | dureyes_ | simonrvn: like dominos pizza ? |
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| 19:34.08 | hid3 | If it's UTC then we have 4 hours and say 20 minutes left. |
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| 19:34.41 | Raydiation | how can i kill this package so that i dont have to do a dpkg-reconfigure -a? |
| 19:34.57 | hid3 | it would be really cute if it'd release on the 5th of Feb... It's my GF's b-day today ;-) |
| 19:35.10 | simonrvn | dpkg --configure -a is what you'd do anyway |
| 19:35.10 | dpkg | simonrvn: I think you lost me on that one |
| 19:35.16 | simonrvn | dpkg: yes |
| 19:35.16 | dpkg | really??? wohoo! |
| 19:35.17 | kongnok | guys, kde4.6 will enter sid soon? |
| 19:35.33 | Raydiation | simonrvn: what if the install directive is wrong and it hangs? |
| 19:35.40 | simonrvn | kongnok: wait until squeeze releases first |
| 19:35.40 | Raydiation | how can i correct it? |
| 19:35.41 | geekosopher | hid3: then you should really think of taking here out, than chatting here ;) |
| 19:36.03 | Hydroxide | simonrvn: which is currently being done as we speak (the squeeze release, I mean, not kde4.6->sid) |
| 19:36.11 | Hydroxide | oh, I see, /topic :) |
| 19:36.20 | simonrvn | Hydroxide: \o/ go team |
| 19:36.46 | neglesaks | copynpaste: multi-arch and ppc images done, building armel now ... |
| 19:36.50 | Hydroxide | simonrvn: yep :) in addition to live microblogging as per /topic, there's also a ongoing voice-chat party line, and lots of in-person release parties |
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| 19:37.43 | Hydroxide | kongnok: so, probably kde4.6 will enter sid in a non-large number of days or weeks, but maybe the debian kde team will relax a bit after the squeeze release, or something :) |
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| 19:38.50 | kj4 | exit |
| 19:39.01 | simonrvn | "As some have asked: The new testing wheezy starts as a copy of the old testing squeeze and not unstable. Thus wheezy starts without rc bugs." << a good idea actually |
| 19:39.07 | Hydroxide | yup |
| 19:39.15 | DotHack | when is the suprise coming!! |
| 19:39.22 | simonrvn | more solid base to build on |
| 19:39.26 | Hydroxide | indeed |
| 19:39.29 | Hydroxide | -> food & |
| 19:39.36 | simonrvn | bon apetit |
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| 19:40.25 | kunwon0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.29 | funyun | i have a remove dedicated server running a custom kernel. can anyone help me create/build? a debian kernel and boot into it? |
| 19:40.33 | dadava | hi |
| 19:40.36 | funyun | remote* |
| 19:40.52 | hid3 | geekosopher: actually we're having some cake and champagne at the moment and we'll be gone in half an hour! ;-) |
| 19:41.15 | dadava | is today the 'squeeze stable day'? |
| 19:41.19 | gnude | i hope |
| 19:41.35 | themill | dadava: /topic |
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| 19:41.52 | KeksStern | Nabend leute |
| 19:41.53 | simonrvn | ah the bot got him |
| 19:41.58 | geekosopher | hid3: your gf's birthday seems lucky for you, won you the squeeze pool |
| 19:42.19 | simonrvn | !squeeze pool |
| 19:42.19 | dpkg | The pool about when <Squeeze> would release was won by hid3 with 2011-02-05. stew was the most off-track. Ask me about <squeeze pool 1> and <squeeze pool 2> to see the bets placed. See also <wheezy pool>. |
| 19:42.21 | karlpinc | funyun: Use make-kpkg |
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| 19:42.32 | dadava | themill, right tnks! |
| 19:42.48 | simonrvn | !wheezy pool |
| 19:42.49 | dpkg | See <wheezy pool 1> for bets placed on when Wheezy will release. To add one, ask me about <wheezy bet>. |
| 19:43.17 | karlpinc | simonrvn: Do you get credit for betting early? :) |
| 19:44.31 | karlpinc | finds the Spacefun theme entirely too Disney. |
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| 19:45.22 | hid3 | That's why I voted for it!! |
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| 19:45.36 | karlpinc | hid3: They only chose it because you won the pool. |
| 19:45.43 | simonrvn | themill: i didn't see your bet until after i set mine |
| 19:45.49 | themill | ;) |
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| 19:45.57 | simonrvn | take a look |
| 19:46.08 | themill | yeah |
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| 19:46.13 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 19:46.20 | KeksStern | gnude: hello o/ |
| 19:46.47 | gnude | hey keksstern |
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| 19:47.14 | simonrvn | fyi, orage in xfce 4.8 has ical support |
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| 20:00.09 | mstevens | are we nearly there yet |
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| 20:02.45 | flobo | hi |
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| 20:03.36 | flobo | anyone still at brussels party at madam olson? |
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| 20:05.56 | antivigilante | can smell what's cookin in da kitchen |
| 20:06.44 | jelly-home | !smell antivigilante |
| 20:06.46 | antivigilante | so like no more IPv4 ips huh |
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| 20:07.10 | jelly-home | antivigilante: they're just not free any more. |
| 20:07.13 | antivigilante | is that because people too lazy to create subnetworks |
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| 20:08.00 | antivigilante | i mean who the hell wants a remotely accessible set of q-tips |
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| 20:08.50 | antivigilante | you're in the hotel with your chick and you get texted - You need more qtips |
| 20:10.43 | funyun | i have a remote dedicated server running a custom kernel. can anyone help me create/build? a debian kernel and boot into it? |
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| 20:12.41 | antivigilante | funyun - maybay |
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| 20:13.48 | abrotman | !kp mantra |
| 20:13.48 | dpkg | kp mantra is, like, make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an <initrd>. |
| 20:14.00 | mordocai | Is there a package I need to install to get xchat to have spellcheck? I enabled the preferences option, but it still isn't working. |
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| 20:14.07 | mordocai | using debian testing/squeeze |
| 20:14.25 | abrotman | aspell or ispell likely |
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| 20:16.35 | funyun | abrotman: i don't understand :'( |
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| 20:17.04 | mordocai | abrotman: Alright, looks like I don't have aspell-en installed. That is probably it |
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| 20:19.20 | gnude | the blog says... ia64 is ready, building mips ..... great !!! |
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| 20:19.49 | gnude | needed 7 minutes from armel to ia64.... |
| 20:20.06 | mordocai | abrotman: Yep, installing aspell-en and deps did the trick. Thanks! |
| 20:20.14 | abrotman | enjoy |
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| 20:20.50 | funyun | abrotman: can you help me with setting up the debian kernel? |
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| 20:20.57 | abrotman | setting up? |
| 20:21.02 | abrotman | what's wrong with the one you already have? |
| 20:21.20 | funyun | abrotman: lol, really? |
| 20:21.23 | babilen | (non-standard ovh something kernel?) |
| 20:21.26 | funyun | i'm the vmware guy |
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| 20:21.51 | funyun | remember. you've been trying to help me for days with this kernel |
| 20:21.53 | abrotman | funyun: in lenny, it just works |
| 20:21.58 | abrotman | with the Debian packaged kernels |
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| 20:22.18 | funyun | abrotman: yes. that's why i need the debian kernel |
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| 20:22.33 | funyun | abrotman: right now i have OVH's custom kernel |
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| 20:22.38 | abrotman | i know nnothing about their |
| 20:22.40 | abrotman | kenrel |
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| 20:23.11 | funyun | abrotman: but i can switch to the debian kernel, correct? |
| 20:23.32 | abrotman | i have no idea, it's not my hardware |
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| 20:23.59 | dustymite | When will the 6.0 i386 images be available to download? (I know the images are currently being built but when can we actually download?) and where? |
| 20:24.35 | funyun | abrotman: if i give you the specs, would that help? |
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| 20:25.03 | abrotman | it's a hex-core opteron |
| 20:25.10 | abrotman | but it doesn't actually have the hardware specs |
| 20:25.18 | abrotman | dustymite: when they're done .. a couple more hours likely |
| 20:25.22 | Arrowmaster | you should really just ask the host |
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| 20:25.38 | hid3 | dustymite: from any mirror having debian-cd/ . And they will be available 6 hours to 1 week delayed from the official release |
| 20:26.11 | dustymite | abrotman / hid3 : Sweet, but the official release day is today? |
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| 20:26.28 | abrotman | dustymite: if they get everything done .. yes |
| 20:26.38 | dustymite | abrotman: Thanks |
| 20:27.18 | hid3 | yeah, but it takes some time for mirrors to have them |
| 20:27.19 | abrotman | dustymite: identi.ca/debian |
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| 20:27.26 | hid3 | depending on a mirror, it might be delayed |
| 20:27.39 | babilen | dustymite: last thing i heard is 23:00 UTC ETA |
| 20:28.01 | beardy | !wir |
| 20:28.01 | dpkg | wir is probably When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 20:28.09 | hid3 | !rsn |
| 20:28.10 | dpkg | [rsn] Real Soon Now (see <wir> and <siyh>), or Robust Security Network: the Wi-Fi Alliance's full 802.11i implementation (aka WPA2, see <wpa>). |
| 20:28.17 | hid3 | !siyh |
| 20:28.17 | dpkg | hmm... siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org/ , http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
| 20:28.21 | hid3 | LOL |
| 20:28.31 | dustymite | abrotman: I'm using Twitter to follow the progress, is that much different from following ident.ca? |
| 20:29.06 | abrotman | FIIK, i don't use either really |
| 20:29.08 | dustymite | indenti.ca * |
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| 20:29.36 | dustymite | FIIK? |
| 20:29.41 | dustymite | !fiik |
| 20:29.41 | dpkg | well, fiik is Fuck If I Know |
| 20:29.42 | Bersam | identi.ca maybe? |
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| 20:30.03 | hid3 | OK, cake is over and champagne is also over. We're leaving. Have a nice Squeeze release eevning! ;-) |
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| 20:33.20 | peterrooney | so who declared hid3 the squeeze pool winner before the release was actually finished? two badly timed power outages could mess the schedule... |
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| 20:35.55 | innociv | my server won't reboot.. things are hung up |
| 20:37.19 | jelly-home | innociv: is it hanging in the shutdown sequence, before the boot, or at startup, after reboot? |
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| 20:37.48 | innociv | just says it's going down for reboot. I'm using ssh so it doesnt' say much |
| 20:37.57 | innociv | and it never reboots. I can log right back in |
| 20:38.21 | innociv | nvm finally worked |
| 20:38.44 | beardy | !patience |
| 20:38.44 | dpkg | The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. |
| 20:38.58 | trebuchet | So they're building debian mipsel. Wonder how it will run on loongson CPUs. |
| 20:39.05 | beardy | Well, not what I meant, but anyway. |
| 20:39.10 | jelly-home | trebuchet: they? |
| 20:39.19 | trebuchet | jelly-home: The government! |
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| 20:39.59 | peterrooney | I KNEW IT. debian is the evil work of a TLA. |
| 20:40.03 | jelly-home | trebuchet: which country? |
| 20:40.22 | jelly-home | and why are they building it, it already exists!!!1 |
| 20:40.24 | trebuchet | jelly-home: I'm an internationalist, I don't recognize your sovereignty's boundaries. |
| 20:40.38 | jelly-home | !spank trebuchet |
| 20:40.38 | dpkg | bends trebuchet over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 20:40.55 | trebuchet | #!debian mips done and syncing, building mipsel. #squeeze about 5 minutes ago from web |
| 20:40.58 | trebuchet | :D |
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| 20:41.18 | jelly-home | trebuchet: that's not the gvt |
| 20:41.26 | ZitZ | what are they syncing to? |
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| 20:41.38 | trebuchet | Build-farm? |
| 20:41.47 | trebuchet | jelly-home: I'm being silly :< |
| 20:41.54 | daemonkeeper | I'm pretty sure everyone can follow identi.ca/twitter on its own, if one does care ... |
| 20:42.28 | themill | (ppc, s390 and sparc to go, at a guess) |
| 20:42.30 | jelly-home | that like requires reading the TOPIC for the link |
| 20:42.48 | Erbureth | (ppc is already done, isn't it?) |
| 20:42.53 | neglesaks | yes it is |
| 20:43.05 | babilen | kfreebsd |
| 20:43.13 | qwd | I've had Identi.ca crash Iceweasel three times now. Anyone else experiencing this? Guess it's possible that it's related to my addons. |
| 20:43.27 | ZitZ | i didn't see i386 done, unless it was like the first one they did |
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| 20:45.53 | stew | ppc was done |
| 20:46.03 | lost_soul | some flash pages seem to kill iceweasel on me quite frequently |
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| 20:46.20 | lost_soul | streaming tv shows and the like generally |
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| 20:46.36 | trebuchet | use gnash |
| 20:46.59 | neglesaks | can gnash do youtube yet? |
| 20:47.01 | qwd | lost_soul: Don't think there's any flash on identi.ca though, and even if there was I block it all. |
| 20:47.15 | jelly-home | lost_soul: firefox ~3.6.10 works around that by introducing a separate process for plugins |
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| 20:47.27 | qwd | neglesaks: yep, I haven't had much luck with it on any other sites though. |
| 20:47.40 | lost_soul | jelly-home: ah, nice.. ty for the heads up |
| 20:47.42 | neglesaks | thank you qwd |
| 20:47.51 | jelly-home | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 20:47.52 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-4~bpo50+1; sid: 3.5.16-4; squeeze: 3.5.16-4; experimental: 3.6.13-2 |
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| 20:48.01 | jelly-home | eh |
| 20:48.10 | ZitZ | if you want to use gnash, i would recommend the debian multimedia repository for newer, better versions |
| 20:48.12 | jelly-home | I won't ask. |
| 20:48.17 | lost_soul | will also give gnash a try, didn't have much luck last time I tried it though |
| 20:48.41 | Arrowmaster | iceweasel should get updated soon, hopefully |
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| 20:49.17 | eptalon | heyas |
| 20:49.23 | Arrowmaster | i thought i heard they were putting off 3.6.x because otherwise there would be two versions of xulrunner to maintain |
| 20:49.24 | lost_soul | I would think so considering squeeze is due to be released this weekend at some point. ATM I'm only on 5.0.8 |
| 20:49.37 | linuxguy | I cant work out if squeeze has been released yet? |
| 20:49.49 | eptalon | are there any tools in debian to easily shift all subtitles in an srt file by say 5 seconds? |
| 20:49.53 | Arrowmaster | linuxguy: soon |
| 20:49.55 | lost_soul | linuxguy: it's not showing on the main page yet |
| 20:50.20 | linuxguy | Arrowmaster, lost_soul thanks |
| 20:50.32 | qwd | neglesaks: There's an nice addon called Easy Youtube Video Downloader, I prefer to use that. Gnash can be a bit choppy for some videos. |
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| 20:51.27 | ZitZ | you can always use a greasemonkey script too, there's one that uses mplayer i think to play youtube videos, i used it for like a day |
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| 20:52.28 | robokop | eptalon: you can use some online service like http://subshifter.comli.eu/ |
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| 20:54.29 | eptalon | robokop: thx |
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| 20:55.54 | _linuxftw | Hi, I've got a server running debian squeeze/sid setup with some external drives attached to it. During large file copies across a network to these drives the copy is randomly pausing and hanging. If I run "touch ." on the server it hangs too for about 15 seconds, and then the file copy resumes and "touch ." completes. The drives don't appear to be spinning down. Anyone got any ideas what's going on? |
| 20:56.09 | neglesaks | thank you qwd |
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| 20:57.19 | epeen | Ho do i detect a printer? |
| 20:57.27 | epeen | How* |
| 20:57.33 | ZitZ | open your eyes and look around |
| 20:57.48 | epeen | Via debian squeeze, asshate. |
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| 20:57.53 | epeen | Asshat |
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| 20:58.08 | ZitZ | lol, sorry, well there are several different ways, how is it connected? |
| 20:58.13 | epeen | Usb |
| 20:58.22 | ZitZ | okay, what type of printer? |
| 20:58.27 | ZitZ | i mean brand? |
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| 20:58.35 | epeen | It's a BROTHER 2140- Laser |
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| 20:58.38 | Erbureth | the white one :) |
| 20:58.50 | robokop | epeen: does lsusb see it? |
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| 20:59.09 | ZitZ | yeah, that would be a good place to start, but i'd be surprised if it didn't |
| 20:59.10 | epeen | Yes |
| 20:59.26 | epeen | Bus 003 Device 003: ID 04f9:0033 Brother Industries, Ltd |
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| 21:00.01 | robokop | epeen: well there you are, it is detected |
| 21:00.22 | gnude | with this debian i will use the kfreebsd architecture |
| 21:00.24 | epeen | Now onto printing with it. |
| 21:00.30 | ZitZ | i actually don't know what i would do to get drivers for that on linux, i would check the cups webpage, and try to google the name of the printer with linux to see if anyone has got it working before |
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| 21:00.34 | gnude | what for file systems can i use there??? |
| 21:00.49 | abrotman | gnude: look in the installation manual |
| 21:01.00 | epeen | I need to print out an application! o.o |
| 21:01.07 | beardy | AKA Install Guide. |
| 21:01.36 | beardy | !ig gnude |
| 21:01.38 | ZitZ | epeen: for a job? |
| 21:01.49 | beardy | !ig |
| 21:01.49 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
| 21:01.59 | beardy | Meh, bah. |
| 21:02.04 | beardy | sleeps. |
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| 21:02.16 | Erbureth | gnude? Is that a porn viewer for Gnome? |
| 21:02.27 | robokop | epeen: cups is the printer subsystem, and if you can find a driver for it (a ppd file) then all applications should be able to use it |
| 21:02.37 | KRF | giggles |
| 21:02.46 | _linuxftw | Well if nobody knows what the problem might be, maybe you could recommend some tests I should try? |
| 21:03.13 | ZitZ | epeen: I just read online that the Brothers website has linux drivers |
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| 21:03.47 | tdn | I recently upgraded a Lenny machine to squeeze. Now that squeeze is (being) released. Should I do anything? Or will the usual apt-get dist-upgrade take care of everything? |
| 21:03.49 | ZitZ | also, i recommend system-config-printer for setting up printers, others may disagree, but it always works for me, small dependencies, simple configuration |
| 21:04.22 | ZitZ | tdn: you don't have to do anything other than change your sources.list to say "squeeze" instead of "lenny" or make it say "stable" |
| 21:04.24 | beardy | tdn: Make sure you have "squeeze" in your sources.list. |
| 21:04.25 | babilen | tdn: Just make sure that you have "squeeze" in your sources.list and not "testing" |
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| 21:04.34 | daemonkeeper | Wow, that's redundancy |
| 21:04.35 | babilen | yay! |
| 21:04.42 | ZitZ | lol |
| 21:04.53 | Erbureth | tdn: check your /etc/sources list for `deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main` line |
| 21:04.57 | mibocote | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.58 | mibocote | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.01 | samiamiam | Woe, I say, woe -- why is apt-get/dpkg wanting to install everything I don't want while removing libdirectfb-1.0-0 -- Can anyone explain why my beloved debian lenny is going crazy |
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| 21:05.22 | abrotman | samiamiam: are your sources pointing at lenny or stable / |
| 21:05.27 | abrotman | wait .. it hasn't pulsed yet |
| 21:05.43 | beardy | Might be a punishment for not using aptitude. |
| 21:05.48 | samiamiam | abrotman: lenny |
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| 21:06.39 | samiamiam | abrotman: I'm assuming a change to stable might make a difference -- I'll give it a go |
| 21:06.48 | abrotman | no, |
| 21:06.52 | abrotman | leave it pointed at lenny |
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| 21:07.45 | Erbureth | samiamiam: can you upload a list of packages that apt wants to install? |
| 21:08.07 | samiamiam | Erbureth: one sec |
| 21:08.10 | gnude | the manual says not much. etx2, ext3... |
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| 21:09.58 | simonrvn | whoah is probably the wanted 'woe/whoah' |
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| 21:10.07 | beardy | gnude: I'd guess any FS that the kernel supports. |
| 21:11.16 | epeen | ZitZ, A: yes, a job, B: do i have to actually restart? |
| 21:11.17 | kdog | in squeeze, I can't add a vpn. So I assume I need a vpn package installed. What's recommended? |
| 21:11.22 | jelly-home | beardy: does it support ZFS!!!111 |
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| 21:11.52 | gnude | beardy: what about jfs? |
| 21:11.56 | simonrvn | OHNOEZ ZFS!!!111oneone!!11 |
| 21:12.07 | jelly-home | gnude: if freebsd kernel supports jfs, sure |
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| 21:12.35 | samiamiam | Erbureth: http://pastebin.com/jAKudBgz -- it's not just what it wants to install, it's what it wants to remove |
| 21:12.36 | jelly-home | wonders wth would anyone use jfs |
| 21:12.36 | ZitZ | well, good luck with the job, i'm having bad luck with that myself, but no you shouldn't have to restart ever with linux unless upgrading a kernel |
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| 21:13.58 | simonrvn | it doesn't support jfs tmk |
| 21:14.24 | beardy | kdog: The recommended is a vpn-client capable of connecting to the type of vpn-server you want to connect to. |
| 21:14.47 | Lokpest | http://identi.ca/notice/63789871 "!debian Woa! A full #squeeze media set consists of either 52 CDs or 8 DVDs or 2 Blu-Rays ... (numbers may vary by arch)" |
| 21:14.51 | eptalon | beardy: are there any vpn server packages in debian? |
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| 21:14.57 | Lokpest | 52 CDs... lol! |
| 21:15.10 | beardy | eptalon: Yes, many. OpenVPN is one. |
| 21:15.11 | neglesaks | must be time to abandon cd sized images surely |
| 21:15.13 | KeksStern | oh my cookies 52 CDS?!? |
| 21:15.19 | eptalon | Lokpest: usual way is a netinst, which is 50-300MB. |
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| 21:15.37 | Lokpest | I know :) |
| 21:15.38 | Erbureth | samiamiam: looks pretty messed up. Try running aptitude and it's dependency solver |
| 21:15.53 | Erbureth | it should give you better picture what depends on what |
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| 21:16.04 | samiamiam | Erbureth: thanks for taken a look, I'll give that a go |
| 21:16.32 | simonrvn | Lokpest: KeksStern that's the whole archive... |
| 21:16.56 | kdog | beardy, I'm going to give pptp-client a shot since I know I need a pptp connection. |
| 21:16.59 | jelly-home | simonrvn: sounds like it's time to stop building cd images |
| 21:17.05 | Corin | Do you guys know how long it should take for Squeeze to be available with KDE 4.5 or 4.6? |
| 21:17.15 | KeksStern | skamikaze: oh i see:) |
| 21:17.29 | daemonkeeper | I doubt anyone uses the entire set of 50 CD images. |
| 21:17.30 | beardy | Corin: If it isn't in there now it never will be. |
| 21:17.34 | simonrvn | ak, no. not totally. maybe just install cds. |
| 21:17.38 | skamikaze | tabfail KeksStern ? |
| 21:17.39 | KeksStern | simonrvn: means* |
| 21:17.42 | Corin | beardy: That's absurd. |
| 21:17.43 | ProgVal | Corin: I don't think it will |
| 21:17.43 | Hydroxide | Corin: it won't. squeeze is releasing with 4.4.5. there will probably be a backport available if you want that, but not actually part of squeeze |
| 21:17.50 | beardy | Corin: Not at all. |
| 21:17.51 | Lokpest | yes, but that kind of says that CDs isnt really a suitable format then... like how many floppies would it take? |
| 21:17.57 | Hydroxide | Corin: testing, however, will soon be an alias for wheezy, which will have something newer |
| 21:18.02 | KeksStern | skamikaze: yes i should type more then one letter! |
| 21:18.05 | Corin | Ah. |
| 21:18.07 | Lokpest | or how much PAPER TAPE!!!111one |
| 21:18.10 | eptalon | daemonkeeper: what about systems without access to inet? |
| 21:18.10 | ProgVal | Corin: when a version is stable, there is no update but security one |
| 21:18.20 | simonrvn | multiple km long |
| 21:18.21 | Corin | Interesting. |
| 21:18.22 | beardy | Corin: It might be backported though. /msg dpkg backports |
| 21:18.22 | Corin | Alright. |
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| 21:18.40 | eptalon | Lokpest: 1 cd is like 650 floppies. |
| 21:18.48 | daemonkeeper | eptalon: Before downloading 52 times CDs you get Internet ;) |
| 21:19.01 | daemonkeeper | eptalon: No really, you can still use private Mirrors |
| 21:19.18 | eptalon | daemonkeeper: or you go to nice guy round the corner and buy large manual, plus set of 52 cds. |
| 21:19.20 | Corin | Meh. Squeeze should be fine with 4.4.5, right? |
| 21:19.45 | simonrvn | jelly-home: install cds are still useful ime ;) |
| 21:19.53 | simonrvn | Corin: 4.4.5 works ok |
| 21:20.18 | Corin | As well as 4.6, simonrvn? |
| 21:20.36 | daemonkeeper | eptalon: Sounds like fun to install a big package dependency list. Insert CD 1, 2, 5, 13, 21, 45, 48, 50, 51. Now imagine you have 50 systems. |
| 21:20.41 | simonrvn | i don't know, i use sid. sid has 4.4.x |
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| 21:20.57 | jelly-home | whatever KDE is in squeeze works for me, never had a reason to try 4.6 |
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| 21:21.17 | Lokpest | simonrvn: we probably sholuld give anyone funny ideas... *imagens several kilometers of paper tape of debian squeeze* :-D |
| 21:21.29 | Corin | Wait... what's Sid? |
| 21:21.39 | Lokpest | unstable |
| 21:21.42 | abrotman | we don't talk about sid here |
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| 21:21.49 | Corin | Oh, I see. |
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| 21:22.06 | Corin | So all unstable releases are 'Sid'? |
| 21:22.11 | jelly-home | Corin: /msg dpkg sid |
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| 21:22.34 | IRConan | 21:22:03 < daemonkeeper> eptalon: Sounds like fun to install a big package dependency list. Insert CD 1, 2, 5, 13, 21, 45, 48, 50, 51. Now imagine you have 50 systems. <--- installing 50 systems from CDs == DOING IT WRONG |
| 21:22.36 | Lokpest | are there "releases" of sid? |
| 21:22.37 | beardy | daemonkeeper: You then set up a local mirror and use the network. If you don't have one, you carry around a USB-connected disk with one on, to your 50 isolated machines instead. Or maybe invest in a DVD-ROM. |
| 21:22.44 | IRConan | Lokpest: no |
| 21:22.44 | jelly-home | Corin: it is more correct to say that "unstable" is never released |
| 21:22.47 | Corin | Sorry. I'm a Kubuntu user. I'm thinking of switching to Debian at some point. |
| 21:23.01 | Corin | Oh. Ok, jelly-home. |
| 21:23.18 | daemonkeeper | IRConan, beardy: That's exactly what I suggested. Hence I doubt /anyone/ would use the entire set of 52 CDs (or so). |
| 21:23.45 | beardy | daemonkeeper: It'd make a nice wall decoration. |
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| 21:23.53 | IRConan | I do my deployments mostly with debootstrap |
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| 21:24.03 | daemonkeeper | beardy: Until the next point release. Then you have to start over ;) |
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| 21:24.44 | mutante | so, when trying to build a .deb package, i defined a dependency on "bc" and i correctly get "depends on bc; however: Package bc is not installed." if thats not installed, but what do i need to add to the control file to make it just offer to install bc, and not just say "leaving unconfigured" and stop |
| 21:24.58 | neglesaks | gotta collect them all... |
| 21:25.30 | beardy | I only have Woody on cd:s. With nice labels. |
| 21:25.33 | daemonkeeper | btw. if I am not wrong, this would be equivalent to 25.884.444 floppies. Why not provide Squeeze on floppies, ain't that fun? |
| 21:26.00 | beardy | You assume everyone have a 1.44MB drive now.. |
| 21:26.01 | ProgVal | :) |
| 21:26.18 | daemonkeeper | Erm 25.278 floppies |
| 21:26.38 | daemonkeeper | beardy: haha, good point. |
| 21:26.42 | ProgVal | invents a one-byte-storage |
| 21:27.08 | Lokpest | I remember when I first enonterd linux, Slackware on 14 floppies IIRC |
| 21:27.08 | pingouin | !squeeze |
| 21:27.19 | Lokpest | encountered* |
| 21:27.55 | pingouin | someone would be kind enough to /msg dpkg squeeze to me, because this damn bot dont anwser me |
| 21:27.56 | daemonkeeper | beardy: I recently saw people asking why Windows starts drive letters with C:\, they couldn't imagine what A:\ and B:\ was for. Perhaps we're just getting old ... |
| 21:28.02 | neglesaks | squeezes pingouin |
| 21:28.21 | simonrvn | squeezy? |
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| 21:28.43 | pingouin | slaps neglesaks with a dusty genuine box of microsoft windows ME |
| 21:28.51 | beardy | daemonkeeper: *nod* |
| 21:28.54 | qwd | pingouin: done(?) |
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| 21:29.01 | sobersabre | hi. |
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| 21:29.04 | pingouin | qwd: nop |
| 21:29.08 | neglesaks | is knocked out. |
| 21:29.13 | pingouin | :) |
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| 21:29.43 | pingouin | this bot hates me :/ |
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| 21:30.21 | pingouin | thus i'm registered/identified on freenode |
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| 21:31.37 | Lokpest | daemonkeeper: and the reason the "built in" hard drive wasnt A:\ was iirc that in the begining there wasnt one |
| 21:32.14 | simonrvn | !squeeze |
| 21:32.14 | dpkg | somebody said squeeze was the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-05. Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 21:32.34 | daemonkeeper | Lokpest: Right. A DOS heritage. |
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| 21:33.48 | pingouin | i run lenny x86_64 now, is it a good idea to go for squeeze now ? and safe-upgrade when its out in few days, or it's better to wait ? |
| 21:34.26 | Lokpest | daemonkeeper: a friend of a friend of mine tried to rename C:\ to A:\ some years ago... the Windows XP install crashed so bad :D |
| 21:35.19 | daemonkeeper | Lokpest: As far as I know you just can't do that, for B:\ this works afaict. However we're getting off topic and I'm sure some ops are about to eat us. |
| 21:35.23 | mutante | waiting for "which isn't released yet." to disappear from http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes , then i'll say its here |
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| 21:35.49 | Lokpest | daemonkeeper: right :) |
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| 21:37.21 | pingouin | mutante: thank you |
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| 21:38.02 | Lokpest | thinking of remixing the simpsons "are we there yet, are we there yet, are we there yet..." changed to "is it released yet, is it released yet, is it released yet..." :-D :-D :-D |
| 21:38.31 | Erbureth | Lokpest: wasn't it Shrek? |
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| 21:39.22 | Raptors | I was trying to send a bug report and it failed to send it. Where does it save the file? |
| 21:39.23 | abrotman | Smurfs |
| 21:39.28 | abrotman | Raptors: /tmp/ |
| 21:39.39 | Raptors | thanks |
| 21:39.58 | MulX | daemonkeeper: 25,278 diskettes occupies less than one cubic meter :p |
| 21:40.14 | Lokpest | Erbureth: ah, Shrek might have been first yes, my brain remembered the simpsons version first |
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| 21:40.50 | Lokpest | one cubic meter ought to be enough for everyone!! |
| 21:40.54 | ZitZ | i don't even think it's Shrek, I remember doing it when I was a kid in the early 90s |
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| 21:41.21 | Lokpest | probably an old meme |
| 21:41.34 | Erbureth | ic, i don't watch the Simpsons regularry... |
| 21:42.12 | Raptors | abrotman, what is it called? |
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| 21:42.25 | DelphiWorld | thanks to the debian guys |
| 21:42.29 | simonrvn | Raptors: we wouldn't know |
| 21:42.30 | DelphiWorld | debian my dayly bed :-) |
| 21:42.38 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: :-P |
| 21:42.46 | abrotman | Raptors: you can `ls /tmp/` if you really want me to see |
| 21:42.54 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: very happy runing debian based voyage in my alix box |
| 21:44.04 | abrotman | okay then |
| 21:44.22 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: :) |
| 21:44.34 | DelphiWorld | abrothank you for all your previou help, evean the early one yeer one |
| 21:45.01 | ben11 | do you know exact the time of the squeeze release? |
| 21:45.21 | pingouin | fears the answers |
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| 21:45.55 | DelphiWorld | abrotman: thank you for all your previou help, evean the early one yeer one |
| 21:46.05 | abrotman | you're welcome |
| 21:46.08 | Bushmills | sideral time? thermodynamic time? subjective time? |
| 21:46.13 | abrotman | ben11: no, they're going as fast as they can .. |
| 21:46.44 | ben11 | ok |
| 21:46.52 | pingouin | :) |
| 21:47.12 | samiamiam | Erbureth: aptitide was a good suggestion -- it seems that it did one better for me, it did not install all the unnesessary packages for me. It did however remove a few things, such as gimp and some other libraries, which I let happen -- I just simply reinstalled gimp and anything else that I wanted to keep -- A good solution that I'll use from now on, no need to fight it |
| 21:47.38 | Erbureth | glad it helped |
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| 21:48.55 | DelphiWorld | ok have a nice weekend deb guys. |
| 21:49.02 | DelphiWorld | apt(-get install abrotman :) |
| 21:49.15 | Lokpest | a bit sad that ubuntu picked apt-get over aptitude as the standard installed software dont you think? |
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| 21:49.51 | Bushmills | why sad? how would that affect debian? |
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| 21:50.13 | Lokpest | I didnt say it would? |
| 21:50.57 | Bushmills | well, than it's just as relevant as ubuntu havong chosen a different desktop background image |
| 21:50.59 | Lokpest | just think that its another proof of "worse is better" |
| 21:51.00 | eptalon | Lokpest: afaik, aptitude uses apt-get... |
| 21:51.38 | eptalon | also, conflict resolution in both is different |
| 21:51.41 | ZykoticK9 | Lokpest, aptitude is a frontend to apt-get... Debian FAQ I believe |
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| 21:53.23 | Lokpest | hmm, front end to APT, not to apt-get IIRC |
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| 21:56.29 | ZykoticK9 | Lokpest, apt=apt-get from FAQ 8.1.2 APT is the Advanced Package Tool and provides the apt-get program |
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| 21:57.41 | ZykoticK9 | Lokpest, so aptitude uses apt-get which in turn uses dpkg... but does it really matter? install packages however you want, and the underlying APT mechanism looks after dependencies... |
| 21:58.51 | Raptors | Is there a way to change the email setting for Reportbug? |
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| 21:59.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | aptitude uses apt-get? |
| 21:59.11 | Raptors | ? |
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| 21:59.24 | CoolCold | anyone trye kfreebsd? what it looks like? |
| 21:59.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | Raptors: settings in what sense? read its doco, it has a man page, as does its configs |
| 21:59.40 | Lokpest | ZykoticK9: whatever, I just think ubuntu made the bad move (as always) |
| 22:00.03 | Raptors | Kamping_Kaiser, I need to change my email info |
| 22:00.09 | Raptors | I changed my password |
| 22:00.12 | daemonkeeper | CoolCold: What do you mean by "look"? It looks like a ... shell with a kernel? |
| 22:00.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | Raptors: .reportbugrc |
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| 22:00.47 | ZykoticK9 | Lokpest, i'm a very recent Ubuntu convert - because of the "bad move" that is Unity, coming down the line. |
| 22:01.01 | eptalon | CoolCold: what would you expect it to look like? - OSes, don't "look" great |
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| 22:01.19 | Lokpest | people will always use the inferior software because its what they used to because thats whats preinstalled, and its preinstalled because thats what people are used to |
| 22:01.35 | Lokpest | good circular argument there... |
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| 22:01.56 | zok | I've got a bunch of these in my /var/log/messages http://pastebin.com/sx8tiuaV |
| 22:02.01 | zok | Any idea what that means? |
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| 22:02.25 | abrotman | zok: you downloading something? |
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| 22:02.52 | zok | abrotman: nope |
| 22:02.58 | zok | It's a web server |
| 22:03.17 | abrotman | something is being rate-limited is what it looks like |
| 22:03.39 | zok | Like, bandwidth throttling? |
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| 22:09.23 | Lokpest | anyone have a good link on how posix-compliant Debian is? tried to searc but google gave me a mailinglist post form 1996 (!) |
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| 22:10.03 | jelly-home | Lokpest: can you define "posix-compliant"? |
| 22:10.51 | eptalon | jelly-home: "Looks like Solaris"... |
| 22:10.53 | Lokpest | any of the standards, POSIX:2008 for example |
| 22:11.04 | eptalon | Lokpest: forget it. |
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| 22:11.09 | Lokpest | or one of the older one of thats to new |
| 22:11.29 | Lokpest | eptalon: why? |
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| 22:12.26 | jhutchins_lt | I wouldn't think that it's changed all that much. |
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| 22:13.10 | eptalon | Lokpest: you must be new to the Unix world. There are several dialects, which are all "slightly different". To my knowledge those closest to posix are Solaris, and AIX. |
| 22:13.45 | eptalon | Lokpest: And we are talking unix, this does NOT INCLUDE LINUX varianzs |
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| 22:14.31 | Lokpest | I dont mean certification, I just mean conformance |
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| 22:15.37 | jhutchins_lt | Lokpest: Read the 1996 post and ask specific questions if you need to. |
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| 22:16.22 | jelly-home | Lokpest: it tries to be conformant in some aspects, except when it doesn't. Eg a shell that wants to pose as "/bin/sh" needs to be POSIX sh compliant. |
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| 22:17.59 | Lokpest | Unix is determined by the Single Unix Specification, wich is determined by POSIX, so if a Linux distibution adheres to posix it is in practice UNIX allthough trademark law makes it impossible to make that a comercial product under the unix name |
| 22:18.08 | abrotman | !ot |
| 22:18.09 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 22:19.38 | Lokpest | sure, I continue in #debian-offtopic instead then |
| 22:19.59 | ws2k3 | i have debian running in vmware now i wanne expend the hard disk |
| 22:20.04 | ws2k3 | is this possible? |
| 22:20.38 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: I believe you mean expand. |
| 22:20.44 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: Check the vmware documentation. |
| 22:20.50 | in2tactics | that depends on how big the virtual drive is |
| 22:20.57 | ws2k3 | its 10 gb now |
| 22:21.11 | ws2k3 | i wannt expand it to 20 gb in vmware its easy |
| 22:21.18 | ws2k3 | but how do i reise the partition? |
| 22:21.36 | eptalon | ws2k3: what kind of fs is it? |
| 22:21.40 | ws2k3 | defailt |
| 22:21.44 | ws2k3 | default |
| 22:21.52 | ws2k3 | i think debian default uses ext3 |
| 22:21.56 | eptalon | which probably means ext4. |
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| 22:22.00 | eptalon | er ext3 |
| 22:22.01 | ws2k3 | yeah |
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| 22:22.11 | ws2k3 | i dont know what debian uses default now |
| 22:22.12 | skutr3 | hey can someone help me install debian? |
| 22:22.20 | eptalon | ws2k3: look for something called ext3resize, or ext2resize.. |
| 22:22.33 | skutr3 | hey can someone help me install debian? |
| 22:22.34 | eptalon | skutr3: how much help do oyu need? |
| 22:22.42 | ws2k3 | wahahahahha |
| 22:22.48 | ws2k3 | sorry |
| 22:22.55 | skutr3 | eptalon: my disc doesnt appear to be working |
| 22:23.06 | Hydroxide | skutr3: my suggestion would be to wait a few hours, then you can directly install the new stable release (squeeze - currently being released) |
| 22:23.24 | eptalon | Hydroxide: as in right now? |
| 22:23.25 | Hydroxide | skutr3: if you are trying to a network-based install, that in-progress release is probably why :) |
| 22:23.26 | jhutchins_lt | ws2k3: parted should be able to expand the partition. |
| 22:23.29 | Hydroxide | eptalon: exactly as in right now |
| 22:23.32 | Hydroxide | eptalon: look at /topic :) |
| 22:23.49 | skutr3 | Hydroxide: im trying to disc install |
| 22:24.09 | eptalon | skutr3: from a Netinstall iso image? |
| 22:24.20 | juhaj_ | How do I make a debug build with cmake? |
| 22:24.23 | skutr3 | eptalon: i guess |
| 22:24.33 | ws2k3 | how can i find out what filesystem i have |
| 22:24.35 | ws2k3 | ext3 or ext4 |
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| 22:24.40 | Hydroxide | skutr3: if it's a netinstall iso, it will not work while they're currently moving stable to oldstable and testing to stable :) |
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| 22:24.50 | eptalon | ws2k3: mount |less |
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| 22:25.08 | skutr3 | eptalon: can we pm? |
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| 22:25.28 | ws2k3 | thanks ext3 |
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| 22:25.38 | skutr3 | or Hydroxide can we pm? |
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| 22:25.51 | Hydroxide | skutr3: if you're installing in a way that doesn't depend on the network, or if you wait a few hours, you can certainly install lenny if you want, but you'll get older software and the security support won't last as long |
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| 22:26.04 | eptalon | skutr3: I am not that versed in installation help |
| 22:26.06 | Hydroxide | skutr3: let's stay in the channel unless you have a good reason to move to /msg ... that way others can help you too |
| 22:26.14 | Hydroxide | skutr3: and if I have to go you can continue being helped |
| 22:26.42 | Raptors | Is there a way to use Reportbug with evolution? |
| 22:26.46 | skutr3 | Hydroxide: what are you talking about waiting a few hours |
| 22:27.03 | DeBiAn-FrEaKs | Hey!! Greeting from "Rostock Debian Release Party".. Are some other debian-people out there waiting for release?! Here we are: "http://maitag.de/~semmi/rostock_squeeze_drp/" |
| 22:27.18 | Hydroxide | skutr3: I am saying that currently debian's archive is in a major transition because the project is, right now, in the process of releasing the next stable version |
| 22:27.38 | skutr3 | Hydroxide: how long will it be? |
| 22:27.59 | Hydroxide | skutr3: that should be done in a few hours - check http://identi.ca/debian for live microblogs, or check www.debian.org for the announcement when it's done |
| 22:28.11 | Hydroxide | skutr3: or debian-announce or your favorite news source |
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| 22:28.19 | jhutchins_lt | skutr3: Final mirror sync of the iso's and everything will take a couple of days according to the schedule. |
| 22:28.45 | Hydroxide | yeah, I'm not sure how quickly every single mirror will be updated, but hopefully the announcement will make that clear |
| 22:29.08 | Hydroxide | I know at least some of the mirrors will have the new release by the time they announce it; maybe all, maybe not |
| 22:29.09 | jhutchins_lt | skutr3: They are in the process of building iso's now, and I think the repository sync is also in progress. |
| 22:29.17 | eptalon | Hydroxide: so the only thing that can be stable-ly installed is sid? |
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| 22:29.35 | jhutchins_lt | It takes time, even with a few hundred people working on it. |
| 22:29.36 | Hydroxide | eptalon: and only maybe that - sid is often but not always installable |
| 22:29.44 | skutr3 | Hydroxide: is the release today? |
| 22:29.46 | Hydroxide | eptalon: but that will of course not be true soon |
| 22:29.47 | anddam | hi |
| 22:29.53 | jhutchins_lt | skutr3: It's in progress. |
| 22:29.54 | Hydroxide | skutr3: yes, they are working on it right this moment |
| 22:30.00 | anddam | lol |
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| 22:30.12 | anddam | I just came to get instructions to upgrade to sid from dpkg |
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| 22:30.30 | skutr3 | Hydroxide: ok when it is released and you are still on can you help me install? |
| 22:30.50 | Hydroxide | skutr3: don't seek me out specifically - I may not be paying attention. jus thent ask here, and yes, people can help you |
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| 22:30.56 | jhutchins_lt | skutr3: The developer's work will probably be finished by tomorrow, with just automated processes continuing for a while. |
| 22:31.02 | skutr3 | ok |
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| 22:31.24 | jhutchins_lt | skutr3: There will be people here who can help you. |
| 22:31.30 | skutr3 | ok |
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| 22:32.07 | Hydroxide | anddam: I wouldn't recommend upgrading to sid right now, or if you do, be prepared for a very rocky time over the next few weeks - lots of development energy that has been on hold for squeeze's release will get unleashed into sid and it will take a bit of time to calm down :) |
| 22:32.09 | skutr3 | Surely when they release they will put a link on their identi.ca ? right? |
| 22:32.15 | Hydroxide | skutr3: almost certainly, yes |
| 22:32.19 | anddam | Hydroxide: I meant testing, not sid |
| 22:32.20 | skutr3 | ok |
| 22:32.33 | Hydroxide | skutr3: also debian-announce@lists.debian.org - which you should be on, it's very low-traffic - will get told |
| 22:32.39 | jeremym | !sns |
| 22:32.40 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 22:32.48 | Hydroxide | skutr3: maybe also debian-stable-announce@lists.debian.org |
| 22:32.50 | Hydroxide | haha |
| 22:33.03 | anddam | Hydroxide: I'm on lenny and wanted to go -> squeeze |
| 22:33.13 | anddam | Hydroxide: but I see squeeze is going stable just now |
| 22:33.14 | Hydroxide | anddam: right at this moment, "testing" is a very confusing word to use ... squeeze is currently transitioning from testing to stable right as we speak |
| 22:33.17 | jhutchins_lt | anddam: The new testing, wheezy, is probably not propagated to all the mirrors yet. |
| 22:33.29 | anddam | btw dpkg has 6.0 as stable |
| 22:33.31 | Hydroxide | anddam: wait a few hours for the release to be finished, then you can follow the release notes for the upgrade |
| 22:33.37 | linuxguy | is eagerly waiting for squeeze.......currently useing rc1/2 not sure |
| 22:33.39 | Hydroxide | anddam: and you can get help here if you need it |
| 22:33.45 | anddam | website debian.org has 5.0.8 |
| 22:33.56 | Hydroxide | anddam: yes, the release is currently in progress. things are transitioning right now |
| 22:34.05 | linuxguy | :) |
| 22:34.06 | anddam | Hydroxide: hope I won't need help |
| 22:34.23 | Hydroxide | anddam: go watch a couple of movies or go to sleep and then try :) and if you follow the upgrade instructions in the release notes it should go smoothly |
| 22:34.25 | skutr3 | Hydroxide: so this should definately be done soon? |
| 22:34.42 | Hydroxide | skutr3: I'm not going to guarantee anything, but... yes. they're actively doing the release now. |
| 22:34.42 | anddam | Hydroxide: almost sleeptime here |
| 22:34.48 | Hydroxide | anddam: so do the sleep option :) |
| 22:35.05 | anddam | I could get both |
| 22:35.10 | anddam | see you |
| 22:35.25 | Hydroxide | enjoy |
| 22:35.27 | anddam | bye |
| 22:35.41 | skutr3 | Im going afk |
| 22:36.07 | kaeser | why is it taking so loooong |
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| 22:37.01 | Lokpest | it is? |
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| 22:39.51 | llua | loooool "!sns" |
| 22:40.07 | jhutchins_lt | kaeser: What? |
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| 22:40.34 | kaeser | the release |
| 22:43.37 | _linuxftw | If I have a process with status "S" can I found out what IO it's waiting on? |
| 22:43.47 | juhaj_ | It is not |
| 22:43.53 | juhaj_ | D is waiting for IO |
| 22:43.57 | _linuxftw | what's S then? |
| 22:44.03 | juhaj_ | (Or various other things, but usually IO) |
| 22:44.12 | juhaj_ | Just "sleep", i.e. doing nothing |
| 22:44.24 | _linuxftw | Alright, can I find out why it's sleeping? |
| 22:44.36 | juhaj_ | No |
| 22:44.44 | _linuxftw | Also the process in question is a file copy, and it's randomly going to sleep and waking up every so often, which is very weird |
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| 22:45.09 | juhaj_ | Not easily, anyway. You'd need to know the code very well to guess why it sleeps. Debugger + source code is generally needed |
| 22:45.19 | skutr3_afk | Hydroxide: does this post on the identi.ca mean its out ? |
| 22:45.39 | abrotman | skutr3_afk: no |
| 22:45.45 | skutr3_afk | ok |
| 22:45.52 | _linuxftw | What if it's performing IO on a userland filesystem, would that cause status S instead of D? |
| 22:45.54 | juhaj_ | _linuxftw: What kind of file copy? cp certinly does not sleep on local files |
| 22:46.02 | _linuxftw | It's DD |
| 22:46.14 | skutr3_afk | are they posting that its running to torture us?? |
| 22:46.24 | juhaj_ | _linuxftw: Is DD reading /dev/*random? |
| 22:46.28 | _linuxftw | yes |
| 22:46.30 | _linuxftw | urandom |
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| 22:46.35 | juhaj_ | _linuxftw: There's your answer |
| 22:46.41 | _linuxftw | No I've ruled it out already |
| 22:46.51 | _linuxftw | I setup a parallel copy to /dev/null and it never paused |
| 22:46.53 | juhaj_ | _linuxftw: It needs more random bytes than your /dev/urandom currently has. |
| 22:46.55 | _linuxftw | It's something to do with the destination |
| 22:47.22 | juhaj_ | _linuxftw: It's very rarely that dd sleeps. It is D very easily, but not S. |
| 22:47.32 | Tramp | urandom has always bytes |
| 22:47.42 | juhaj_ | Tramp: Is it random, then, which does not? |
| 22:47.52 | Tramp | ?? |
| 22:48.01 | _linuxftw | IIRC /dev/random waits for sufficient entropy, but urandom never waits |
| 22:48.16 | ZitZ | urandom waits for no one |
| 22:48.16 | jhutchins | !tell kaeser about progress |
| 22:48.17 | juhaj_ | _linuxftw: Right, so I mixed the two up, then |
| 22:48.33 | Tramp | urandom is a cryptographically strong prng. random is entropy |
| 22:49.08 | jhutchins | kaeser: Like I said, it takes time. They have to build the iso images, which take time, check them, upload them, then when they're done with that they trigger the mirror transfers, and some of those will take two days to complete. |
| 22:49.43 | juhaj_ | _linuxftw: In general, any file-system-related syscall always results in D or R, never S. But there may be some which cause S, but I could not guess which. |
| 22:49.55 | ZitZ | i think they're on the upload step now, so it shouldn't be long now |
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| 22:50.04 | _linuxftw | so you're sure having a userland filesystem wouldn't cause an S instead of a D/R? |
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| 23:12.10 | *** topic/#debian is squeeze release in progress: http://identi.ca/debian/ ; /msg dpkg squeeze; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze | lenny (5.0.8) /msg dpkg 5.0.8 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | FAQ: http://bit.ly/DebFAQ | channel logs: http://bit.ly/DebFNDLog |
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| 23:17.14 | skutr3_afk | Hydroxide: so does debian require multiple discs to install? |
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| 23:17.56 | Hydroxide | skutr3_afk: only if you want to do it without a network connection. most of it can be downloaded only-as-needed over the network |
| 23:18.23 | Hydroxide | skutr3_afk: and, actually, you should be able to install with just one CD, for the most common packages. usually people with broadband internet simply use the netinstall iso though |
| 23:18.39 | skutr3_afk | Hydroxide: i dont understand all this stuff about a network install |
| 23:19.24 | gnude | the cd's are build. they do now final tests and will push it to the mirrors then. |
| 23:19.36 | gnude | debian squeeze is only one step away. |
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| 23:19.46 | Hydroxide | skutr3_afk: lots of people here can explain it to you. basically you don't need to download more than a tiny bit of debian to start the install. then the installer, and later your installed system, can get what it needs from your local debian mirror |
| 23:19.56 | Hydroxide | skutr3_afk: whenever you want new packages, security fixes, etc. |
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| 23:20.08 | skutr3_afk | Hydroxide: ok |
| 23:20.44 | skutr3_afk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:21.23 | abrotman | skutr3_afk: we can read, please don't paste that stuff in here |
| 23:21.46 | Thermi | how can i reset the top bar to the standard settings? |
| 23:21.48 | skutr3_afk | oik |
| 23:21.49 | Thermi | i fucked it up... |
| 23:21.50 | skutr3_afk | ok* |
| 23:21.51 | Thermi | D: |
| 23:21.51 | skutr3_afk | sorry |
| 23:22.48 | abrotman | Thermi: top bar in what? |
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| 23:22.53 | Thermi | gnome |
| 23:23.02 | Thermi | ah |
| 23:23.03 | Thermi | got it |
| 23:23.05 | Thermi | :D |
| 23:23.09 | abrotman | there you go! glad we could help |
| 23:23.22 | Thermi | hehe |
| 23:23.24 | Thermi | google ftw |
| 23:23.30 | Thermi | i hoped IRC was faster :D |
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| 23:26.09 | Raptors | Is there a way to use Reportbug with evolution? |
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| 23:27.40 | Megaf | hi all, how to update those packages? http://pastebin.com/hMNg88cQ |
| 23:28.22 | abrotman | did you try a full-upgrade? |
| 23:28.24 | ZitZ | Megaf: What does apt-get dist-upgrade do? |
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| 23:29.05 | Datz | Hi, Just wondering if there was a eta for debian.org to be updated with the new release. |
| 23:29.06 | Megaf | ZitZ: it seems to work :) |
| 23:29.20 | stew | Datz: no but very soon |
| 23:29.27 | Datz | ok, thanks stew |
| 23:29.27 | abrotman | Datz: when it's done .. today hopefully |
| 23:29.27 | ZitZ | cool :-D |
| 23:29.31 | Megaf | thanks ZitZ |
| 23:29.38 | dvs | Datz: almost there! |
| 23:29.40 | ZitZ | no problem |
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| 23:29.44 | Datz | great! :) |
| 23:29.51 | stew | it will be today for some values of today |
| 23:30.04 | abrotman | i presume it will happen during *my* today :) |
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| 23:36.54 | do0ob | Why do i keep getting this error: W: GPG error: http://download.virtualbox.org squeeze Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 54422A4B98AB5139 Oracle Corporation (VirtualBox archive signing key) <info@virtualbox.org> |
| 23:37.10 | do0ob | i used apt-key list and apt-key del to remove the old sun key but it still get that error |
| 23:38.16 | Wyzard | do0ob: The string "Oracle Corporation (VirtualBox archive signing key) <info@virtualbox.org>" is from the key, so you know it's finding the right one |
| 23:38.24 | Wyzard | do0ob: sounds like the data actually doesn't match the signature |
| 23:38.56 | Wyzard | do0ob: Could be a mistake on their part, or it could be that they're in the middle of pushing updates to the server and one file has been updated but the other hasn't yet |
| 23:39.23 | do0ob | I used this: wget -q http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/oracle_vbox.asc -O- | sudo apt-key add - |
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| 23:39.43 | Wyzard | That's not your problem |
| 23:40.18 | Wyzard | The fact that it shows the key ID and name in the message means that it found the key on your keyring that was used to make the signature -- it's not a problem of not having the necessary key |
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| 23:40.46 | themill | Sounds like a problem for #vbox |
| 23:42.24 | do0ob | I'll remove the old verison of virtual box and install 4.0 |
| 23:42.50 | skutr3_afk | ok what is the latest post on the identi.ca? |
| 23:43.02 | Wyzard | skutr3_afk: "Amost there! #squeeze" |
| 23:43.09 | jeremym | why ask...why not just go look for yourself |
| 23:43.16 | skutr3_afk | Wyzard: its not showing up for me..... |
| 23:43.33 | skutr3_afk | jeremym: its not showing up for me |
| 23:43.37 | Wyzard | identi.ca seems to be a little quirky: new posts appear automatially via whatever ajax updating it does, but if you reload the whole page, they're missing |
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| 23:43.56 | MulX | skutr3_afk: you can also follow with twitter |
| 23:44.11 | skutr3_afk | Wyzard: so dont refresh paage then? |
| 23:44.17 | skutr3_afk | and ok MulX |
| 23:44.29 | Wyzard | skutr3_afk: That seems like the best plan to me |
| 23:44.38 | Wyzard | skutr3_afk: irritating bug though |
| 23:44.48 | skutr3_afk | yeah reall |
| 23:44.53 | skutr3_afk | really |
| 23:45.29 | skutr3_afk | what is debians twitter page? |
| 23:45.43 | Cain | http://twitter.com/debian |
| 23:45.54 | skutr3_afk | oh lol |
| 23:46.17 | Cain | 'obvious?' :p |
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| 23:48.29 | Azrael_- | got some programs who don't close all sockets cleanly. any idea how i can forcefully close them? |
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| 23:49.14 | Wyzard | Azrael_-: the kernel will automatically close any remaining sockets/files/etc. when the program terminates |
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| 23:49.51 | Azrael_- | Wyzard: it doesn't. the established connections often take about 5 minutes until they are closed preventing me from restarting the service |
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| 23:50.14 | Raptors | Does anyone know how to get reportbug to use Evolution?! |
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| 23:50.20 | dadava | what is the command to show the version numb or name (lenny squeeze or sid) ? |
| 23:50.26 | skutr3_afk | yay when squeeze comes out one of you lucky linuxites gets to help me install it!!!!! |
| 23:50.33 | Azrael_- | dadava: cat /etc/issue |
| 23:50.41 | skutr3_afk | :) |
| 23:50.48 | dadava | Azrael_-, thks!! |
| 23:50.55 | MulX | dadava: cat /etc/debian_release |
| 23:51.12 | Wyzard | Azrael_-: Well, it'll initiate closing them; use wireshark to see if the FIN/ACK stuff actually completes in a timely fashion |
| 23:51.13 | dadava | MulX, tnks ! |
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| 23:53.05 | ndnihil | is debian multimedia down? |
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| 23:54.03 | ndnihil | and did the debian-unofficial key change recently? |
| 23:54.06 | valdyn | Azrael_-: how are you quitting the service that leaves sockets behind? |
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| 23:54.17 | jeremym | !snsdeb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile squeeze/volatile main contrib will that work once they release it? |
| 23:54.31 | quel | ndnihil: if you are referring to debian-multimedia.org - up for me |
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| 23:54.33 | jeremym | sorry abou the !snsdeb no idea... |
| 23:55.00 | ndnihil | quel: odd, I get a blank page with OVH logo |
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| 23:55.13 | ndnihil | and title of 'Serveur OVH' |
| 23:55.36 | ndnihil | oh |
| 23:55.37 | ndnihil | heh |
| 23:55.47 | dadava | i need for the conky the name of the dist. It's possible? |
| 23:55.50 | ndnihil | they dropped the cname to debian-multimedia.org |
| 23:55.51 | quel | ndnihil: weird...loads for me even with javascript disabled |
| 23:55.56 | ndnihil | requires the www. prefix now |
| 23:56.04 | jeremym | deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile squeeze/volatile main contrib anyways i was wondering if that url will work when the release is final |
| 23:56.04 | dadava | Azrael_-, MulX i need for the conky the name of the dist. It's possible? |
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| 23:56.07 | Azrael_- | valdyn: kill -9 most often |
| 23:56.15 | quel | ndnihil: ah I think icewasel adds the www for me |
| 23:56.19 | valdyn | Azrael_-: thats exactly your problem |
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| 23:56.28 | valdyn | Azrael_-: you should never use -9 |
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| 23:56.47 | ndnihil | there's nothing wrong with -9 if you need it |
| 23:56.59 | valdyn | ndnihil: except that you dont need it |
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| 23:57.08 | quel | ndnihil: nope I hit it with elinks and no www without issue...running my own dns that points straight to the root dns servers |
| 23:57.19 | MulX | dadava, try with : lsb_release -d |
| 23:57.19 | Azrael_- | valdyn: normal kill enough? |
| 23:57.21 | jasono | Hi. Is squeeze released today? |
| 23:57.22 | ndnihil | quel: very strange |
| 23:57.29 | quel | jasono: soon |
| 23:57.36 | quel | https://identi.ca/debian/ |
| 23:57.41 | valdyn | Azrael_-: yes |
| 23:57.43 | Wyzard | jasono: not officially yet, but getting close |
| 23:57.47 | valdyn | !uuok |
| 23:57.51 | jasono | quel Yeah I've seen the tweets. What is squueze? |
| 23:58.08 | abrotman | you just asked if it was released .. how do you not know what it is |
| 23:58.10 | dadava | MulX, its perfect, tnks !!! =) |
| 23:58.22 | quel | jasono: what abrotman said |
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| 23:58.31 | valdyn | Azrael_-: read: http://partmaps.org/era/unix/award.html#kill |
| 23:58.49 | valdyn | Azrael_-: oops, dead URL |
| 23:58.52 | quel | ndnihil: some signing keys changed recently http://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html |
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| 23:59.15 | BaD_CrC | Who runs the @debian Twitter account? |
| 23:59.19 | skutr3_afk | omg hurry up!! |
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| 23:59.24 | quel | er maybe it was unstable or volatile |
| 23:59.40 | Hydroxide | BaD_CrC: twitter or identi.ca? |
| 23:59.47 | valdyn | Azrael_-: or actually, scroll down, there it is... |
| 23:59.57 | BaD_CrC | twitter |
