| 00:00.00 | MulX | BaD_CrC: twitter receive msg from identi.ca |
| 00:00.04 | Azrael_- | valdyn: also happened on centos when i restarted dante using the normal init-script |
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| 00:00.07 | BaD_CrC | ahh |
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| 00:00.33 | Hydroxide | BaD_CrC: and those messages are coming from a member of debian's press team |
| 00:01.02 | valdyn | Azrael_-: thats a severe bug, happens |
| 00:01.13 | huglester | guys, are there any packages for iptables supporting mullti wan (two isp's) and shaping? |
| 00:01.25 | BaD_CrC | I've been following that account for quite some time. I like that it had finally come to life with play by play updates of what's going on. |
| 00:01.45 | Azrael_- | valdyn: that's why i asked how i could forcefully close the sockets |
| 00:02.00 | jasono | abrotman I follow on Twitter. My guess is it's the version of debian? |
| 00:02.06 | valdyn | Azrael_-: you cant |
| 00:02.12 | skutr3_afk | powerbot sucks!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 00:02.20 | valdyn | Azrael_-: you shouldnt use a program that requires kill -9 |
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| 00:02.40 | Azrael_- | fake somehow a fin-packet to the socket? |
| 00:02.45 | un214 | how about one that survives kill -9? |
| 00:02.52 | abrotman | skutr3_afk: please keep it on topic .. you've been silenced for a bit |
| 00:02.57 | valdyn | un214: uh? |
| 00:03.14 | un214 | yes I have one kill -9 does not kill |
| 00:03.29 | valdyn | un214: when your program is stuck in a system call, then -9 might not help |
| 00:03.30 | quel | un214: I/O bound or zombied then |
| 00:03.45 | un214 | ps says state = S |
| 00:03.51 | valdyn | un214: -9 is just dangerous in that case |
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| 00:04.10 | quel | un214: ps auxwwwf and see if it is a parent/child |
| 00:04.23 | jeremym | if you have lenny are you able to upgrade to squeeze using: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev |
| 00:04.27 | jeremym | and get the stable version? |
| 00:04.42 | td123 | valdyn: why? (curious) |
| 00:04.47 | Azrael_- | jeremym: you forgot dist-upgrade |
| 00:04.52 | un214 | root 1 0.0 0.0 8352 92 ? Ss Jan05 0:03 init [5] |
| 00:04.54 | quel | jeremym: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 00:05.07 | quel | pid 1 is init |
| 00:05.16 | quel | killing init == kill system |
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| 00:05.23 | un214 | yeah and it eats -9 signals |
| 00:05.33 | quel | that's a nice improvement |
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| 00:05.50 | quel | years ago you could kill -9 1 and it would kernel panic :P |
| 00:05.54 | abrotman | jeremym: tha't's not right |
| 00:06.01 | abrotman | jeremym: that will result in a bad situation |
| 00:06.06 | un214 | I remember when kill -9 1 didn't panic |
| 00:06.19 | un214 | but zombies fill up the system after awhile |
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| 00:06.25 | jeremym | abrotman, i was going by what dpkg says about the upgrade process |
| 00:06.27 | jeremym | is it wrong? |
| 00:06.48 | quel | jeremym: release notes are always good to read too ;) |
| 00:06.54 | valdyn | td123: if a program is stuck forever in a system call, then thats a kernel bug. A kernel bug means that you have absolutely no idea what could happen, and anything could happen. You want to not touch it and reboot asap. |
| 00:06.59 | abrotman | well, that is what it says .. /me thought installing udev would break it .. carry on! |
| 00:07.13 | themill | jeremym: a 450 summary isn't nearly as good as the release notes. |
| 00:07.17 | themill | *character |
| 00:07.46 | jeremym | do you have a link to the release notes |
| 00:07.51 | jeremym | i only get 5's release notes |
| 00:08.06 | ndnihil | volatile dropped squeeze? |
| 00:08.18 | themill | dpkg: tell jeremym about squeeze release notes |
| 00:08.27 | themill | jeremym: in exactly the place dpkg said they would be |
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| 00:08.50 | jeremym | ty |
| 00:08.57 | quel | ndnihil: it's called squeeze-updates now and comes from the main repo |
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| 00:09.00 | Lokpest | # !debian Testing finished! Main images are now being signed! |
| 00:09.09 | ndnihil | quel: thanks |
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| 00:09.24 | ndnihil | I really should subscribe to the lists |
| 00:09.28 | ndnihil | but I get enough email as it is |
| 00:09.40 | quel | a few lists with such information are generally low traffic |
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| 00:10.15 | quel | tho I'll admit to a long .procmailrc |
| 00:10.20 | ndnihil | heheh |
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| 00:11.10 | quel | at least this signing isn't like the root dnssec key signing that took 6 hours and makes for the most boring video (without audio) to watch |
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| 00:12.44 | un214 | has anybody here got double panic? |
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| 00:13.20 | mutante | congrats! there it is ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/Release |
| 00:13.29 | Phlosten_ | is it a boy or a girl? |
| 00:13.35 | stew | mirror push just started |
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| 00:13.44 | stew | mutante: that's going to vary wildly depending on which server you get |
| 00:13.58 | DanDare | \o/ |
| 00:14.15 | quel | ya lol |
| 00:14.22 | quel | dns round robin |
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| 00:14.31 | neglesaks | we have a go/no go for launch? |
| 00:14.52 | mutante | yep, well, getting a "not released" message under the "stable" URL |
| 00:14.56 | un214 | well boosters are ignited a no-go now is dangerous |
| 00:15.31 | quuxman | is there a way to disassociate monitors and workspaces in X? |
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| 00:15.51 | quuxman | I want to be able to switch workspaces on one monitor, without it changing what's going on with my other monitor |
| 00:16.11 | neglesaks | # |
| 00:16.12 | neglesaks | !debian #squeeze is now being pushed to mirrors around the world. This is it people, we have released! ! |
| 00:16.12 | neglesaks | a few seconds ago from web |
| 00:16.12 | dpkg | okay, neglesaks |
| 00:16.15 | mutante | tadaa! |
| 00:16.16 | neglesaks | pardon that |
| 00:16.21 | DanDare | \o/ |
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| 00:16.37 | Lokpest | neglesaks: you beat me to it! :) |
| 00:16.43 | neglesaks | hehe |
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| 00:16.56 | quel | 6.0.0-live dir popped up on http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ |
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| 00:17.17 | stew | quel: we won't have live until monday or so |
| 00:17.19 | quel | I hope this doesn't go like lenny and the torrents aren't fully released for like a week :P |
| 00:17.37 | quel | esp for the multi-arch dvd net installer |
| 00:17.41 | abrotman | quel: we have identi.ca/debian for play-by-play |
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| 00:17.48 | quel | abrotman: I'm there |
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| 00:18.14 | *** topic/#debian by stew -> squeeze released (YAY!) /msg dpkg squeeze ; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze | lenny (5.0.8) /msg dpkg 5.0.8 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | FAQ: http://bit.ly/DebFAQ | channel logs: http://bit.ly/DebFNDLog |
| 00:18.15 | DanDare | well... i may wait +- month anyway |
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| 00:18.17 | DanDare | if i can !! |
| 00:18.19 | paradigm | omfggggg |
| 00:18.47 | quel | I won't...have a brand new machine at the office for a workstation that is getting unboxed monday |
| 00:19.07 | g0rd0n | gogogogogogogogogogogo |
| 00:19.08 | Lokpest | so it was born 06-Feb-2011 01:16 UTC? |
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| 00:19.13 | quel | servers...that's a different story :P |
| 00:19.18 | Ricardo__ | yessssss |
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| 00:19.37 | daemonkeeper | Lokpest: 00:16 UTC (aren't we 1:16 UTC+1 now?) |
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| 00:19.47 | cordell | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ |
| 00:19.50 | neglesaks | anyone got a torrent yet? |
| 00:19.50 | cordell | released |
| 00:19.52 | quel | this is way more exciting than the superbowl could ever be |
| 00:19.53 | *** topic/#debian by themill -> squeeze released (YAY! mirrors will take time to update) /msg dpkg squeeze ; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze | lenny (5.0.8) /msg dpkg 5.0.8 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | FAQ: http://bit.ly/DebFAQ | channel logs: http://bit.ly/DebFNDLog |
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| 00:20.19 | Ricardo__ | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/ |
| 00:20.50 | neglesaks | got it. |
| 00:21.17 | quel | w00 multi-arch cd iso net inst torrent already there |
| 00:21.23 | jeremym | i have come down with sns |
| 00:21.28 | jeremym | !sns |
| 00:21.28 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 00:21.47 | quuxman | I suspect this isn't really feasible, given how X treats multiple monitors as just one big monitor |
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| 00:21.52 | quel | hehe |
| 00:21.52 | quuxman | You'd have to do some serious window manager hacking |
| 00:22.04 | quuxman | so that when you changed workspaces, it juggled windows |
| 00:22.39 | neglesaks | lol |
| 00:22.56 | Wyzard | quuxman: Actually, that's only if you use Xinerama, or the similar TwinView/HydraVision features in the proprietary drivers... otherwise, multiple monitors are quite independent of each other -- you can't even drag windows between them |
| 00:22.56 | quuxman | actually it's totally feasible |
| 00:22.57 | dxrt | is the torrent out yet |
| 00:23.09 | quel | uaho wife wants the digital tv tuner card in the mythtv backend to work tomorrow...guess I shouldn't upgrade yet :P |
| 00:23.12 | dxrt | Got 500GB b/w to throw at it. |
| 00:23.26 | quuxman | Wyzard: the way it is now I can drag between them... I'm not really attached to that functionality though |
| 00:23.27 | un214 | who says you can't run one X per monitor? |
| 00:23.44 | quuxman | I'd much rather be able to switch between workspaces independently on each screen |
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| 00:24.07 | Wyzard | quuxman: With Xinerama, they act as one big monitor picture-wise, but there's metadata available describing the boundaries between them (which is how the window manager knows to center a window on one monitor, rather than centering it across the split between them) |
| 00:24.08 | quuxman | so have all my workspace hotkeys refer to the workspace that my cursor is in |
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| 00:24.33 | quuxman | Wyzard: ah. I don't really understand how workspaces work |
| 00:24.35 | Wyzard | quuxman: Anyway, X11 itself has no notion of workspaces; those are implemented in the window manager by hiding and showing windows |
| 00:24.43 | quuxman | Wyzard: ah, that's what i had figured |
| 00:24.50 | Bersam | :D |
| 00:24.53 | Wyzard | quuxman: It would be entirely possible for a window manager to do what you want, but I don't know of any that actually support it |
| 00:25.00 | quuxman | Wyzard: I'll have to hack some shit up... good thing I use sawfish... |
| 00:25.04 | gnude | Thanks to all Debian Developer ! |
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| 00:25.08 | gnude | Great Work! |
| 00:25.10 | quuxman | Wyzard: it's just a matter of lisp hacking |
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| 00:28.06 | Bersam | some body please correct this image !!!!! http://news.debian.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/squeeze_countdown.png it's 3 days yet ! |
| 00:28.11 | neglesaks | thank you to all debian developers, supporters, team members et al |
| 00:28.38 | themill | Bersam: your browser is lying to you... |
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| 00:29.31 | ari-tczew | is 6.0 released? |
| 00:29.36 | Ricardo__ | ye |
| 00:29.38 | neglesaks | yes |
| 00:29.43 | themill | ari-tczew: /topic |
| 00:29.52 | ari-tczew | themill: I saw, just making sure. |
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| 00:30.28 | dvs | yay |
| 00:30.29 | quuxman | Wyzard: basically I just have to dig up the workspace switching code, and put a condition in there to not touch any windows that are in the wrong screen |
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| 00:32.04 | ari-tczew | when next devel cycle is starting? |
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| 00:32.16 | Wyzard | quuxman: In principle, yes, though you'll probably find that the implementation is more complex than that |
| 00:32.20 | Kazen | Congrats on squeeze |
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| 00:33.07 | Wyzard | quuxman: There's probably some list or other structure that represents a workspace, and a variable that holds the "current" workspace, and you'll need to change it to a list of multiple "current" workspaces, once for each screen |
| 00:33.10 | quuxman | Wyzard: any particular reason? |
| 00:33.22 | quuxman | Wyzard: ah |
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| 00:33.25 | un214 | hey this time I don't have to tweak lilo as it did it automatically |
| 00:33.46 | jeremym | debian:~# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:33.46 | jeremym | 6.0 |
| 00:33.52 | jeremym | thanks for the upgrade advice |
| 00:34.09 | Gryllida | argh, why could a package name be followed by {a}? |
| 00:34.18 | quel | isn't squeeze deprecating lilo completely? or is that sid? |
| 00:34.33 | dvs | Gryllida: auto-install |
| 00:34.48 | Hydroxide | w |
| 00:34.52 | un214 | I found it necessary to revert to lilo |
| 00:34.53 | Gryllida | dvs, why didn't I see that before? |
| 00:35.07 | Gryllida | I'm just doing a regular aptitude upgrade |
| 00:35.15 | un214 | something peverse about the usb keyboard support in bios |
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| 00:35.22 | un214 | at least I think |
| 00:35.23 | quel | un214: weird |
| 00:35.30 | un214 | edit command line on grub -> crash |
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| 00:35.46 | dvs | Gryllida: dunno. (new version of aptitude?) |
| 00:36.01 | Gryllida | maybe |
| 00:36.08 | un214 | so yeah depricating lilo = bad idea |
| 00:36.11 | MaDSeN | anyone got links to .torrents ? |
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| 00:36.54 | dxrt | Madsen: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.8/i386/bt-dvd/ |
| 00:36.59 | PizzaandWine | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 00:37.01 | MaDSeN | lol |
| 00:37.16 | stew | dxrt: i'm guessing he wants squeeze not lenny |
| 00:37.34 | dxrt | oops, my bad. |
| 00:37.39 | quel | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/multi-arch/bt-cd/ |
| 00:37.45 | dxrt | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/bt-dvd/ :) |
| 00:37.48 | peterrooney | i guess it may be a few hours before the website finishes updating |
| 00:38.05 | neglesaks | use torrent everyone. |
| 00:38.08 | Getty | i get crazy about that netinstall problem.... the network just doesnt work under the squeeze netinstall.... but on a squeeze from an upgraded lenny on the same system it works |
| 00:38.09 | MaDSeN | dxrt: haha no worries |
| 00:38.21 | Benhuard | torrent on the way |
| 00:38.33 | linuxguy | is squueze out now :) |
| 00:38.47 | quel | un214: fortunately even my new machine at the office has a ps2 port...http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/linux101.html |
| 00:38.48 | BaD_CrC | *glare* linuxguy |
| 00:38.52 | BaD_CrC | :D |
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| 00:39.17 | dvs | !topicsmite linuxguy |
| 00:39.17 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon linuxguy. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 00:40.17 | linuxguy | sorry I forgot about /topic |
| 00:40.19 | un214 | !topicsmite dpkg |
| 00:40.20 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon dpkg. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 00:40.25 | quel | un214: layout2 :) |
| 00:41.01 | linuxguy | i was looking at the updating site |
| 00:42.09 | linuxguy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:43.24 | neglesaks | lol |
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| 00:43.56 | quel | maybe sites indeed update |
| 00:43.59 | quel | s/maybe/many |
| 00:44.06 | BaD_CrC | i'll upgrade my testing system later with aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade - :D |
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| 00:44.18 | quuxman | how do I turn off the xinerama behavior of treating multiple monitors as one virtual screen? |
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| 00:44.53 | quuxman | ah nevermind, it's too handy moving the cursor between them |
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| 00:45.11 | linuxguy | ah I see the cds now........is there a mirror with just debian 6 kde 1 on it or are they all dvds with multiple desktops on the dvds? |
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| 00:45.49 | Hydroxide | linuxguy: there is an iso with just kde I think - I forget whether cd or dvd |
| 00:45.52 | Hydroxide | (or both) |
| 00:45.54 | ws2k3 | i wanne resize the partition on my debian machine |
| 00:45.58 | mrkotfw | Hello everyone! |
| 00:46.01 | jeremym | parted |
| 00:46.03 | ws2k3 | hard disk is 20 gb partition is 5 gb now |
| 00:46.06 | quel | only 2 blu-ray discs and you can have it all ;) |
| 00:46.25 | mrkotfw | Anyone using http://unofficial.debian-maintainers.org/? |
| 00:46.28 | ws2k3 | jeremym i have folowed this guide http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_resizing_ext3_partitions |
| 00:46.29 | linuxguy | Hydroxide, thanks......its useually named as kde-1 |
| 00:46.46 | linuxguy | >>busy looking for kde-1 |
| 00:46.55 | cordell | im seeding KDE right now |
| 00:46.57 | mrkotfw | I tried to add their key, but when I update -- I get: W: GPG error: http://unofficial.debian-maintainers.org squeeze Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1296569123 |
| 00:47.01 | mrkotfw | Any ideas? |
| 00:47.25 | jeremym | ws2k3, how did it work out? |
| 00:47.30 | MaDSeN | uploading debian 6 torrents @ 6.5 MB/s :) |
| 00:47.38 | MaDSeN | holy .... |
| 00:47.50 | stew | mrkotfw: i'm not sure anyone uses that site other than its owner |
| 00:47.54 | dvs | send them here! |
| 00:47.57 | dxrt | Madsen: Which torrents you on? The DVDs are fairly quiet for me :/ |
| 00:48.17 | mrkotfw | stew: What do you mean? |
| 00:48.18 | MaDSeN | amd64 dvd 1.8 |
| 00:48.19 | MaDSeN | ones |
| 00:48.27 | MaDSeN | 1-8 that is |
| 00:48.33 | dxrt | ah |
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| 00:49.04 | ws2k3 | not very well |
| 00:49.06 | Mininessie | is debian 6 out yet |
| 00:49.10 | MaDSeN | yes |
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| 00:49.29 | ndnihil | what about squeeze, is it out yet? |
| 00:49.29 | Wyzard | though the debian.org homepage hasn't been updated yet |
| 00:49.45 | ndnihil | ducks |
| 00:49.46 | Mininessie | is debian 6 out yet |
| 00:49.46 | brian183 | any idea when the debian.org will update their news? |
| 00:49.50 | dvs | !topicsmite ndnihil |
| 00:49.50 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon ndnihil. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 00:49.59 | ndnihil | :) |
| 00:50.06 | quel | I don't think I can take much more of people asking if it's out yet |
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| 00:50.13 | MaDSeN | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/bt-cd/debian-6.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 00:50.15 | linuxguy | cordell, are you seeding a kde dvd or a kde1 cd pls? |
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| 00:50.36 | MaDSeN | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/bt-cd/ |
| 00:50.44 | MaDSeN | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 00:50.46 | Mininessie | so debian 6 is final |
| 00:50.57 | quel | Mininessie: no it's just a trick |
| 00:50.57 | Wyzard | yes |
| 00:50.57 | robert00 | anyone know how easy an install is, is it optional gui? |
| 00:50.59 | neglesaks | yus! |
| 00:51.21 | Talon_ | ooo I can't wait to switch from ubuntu 10.04 :) |
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| 00:51.32 | Mininessie | if its out why hasen't distrowatch say anything about it |
| 00:51.35 | un214 | I did so 6 months ago Talon_ |
| 00:51.36 | ws2k3 | jeremym i get some errors in parted |
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| 00:51.39 | ws2k3 | i cant resize |
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| 00:51.50 | dvs | un214: and...? |
| 00:51.53 | un214 | Mininessie: because it happened an hour ago |
| 00:52.07 | Wyzard | less than an hour |
| 00:52.17 | Mininessie | un214, i see |
| 00:52.24 | Talon_ | i did too un214 but i had display corruption with nvidias proprietary drivers, so i went back to ubuntu. I couldn't get compiz working with testing without makin my system act all strange. |
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| 00:53.07 | Arrowmaster | compiz in debian is rather old |
| 00:53.13 | jeremym | what errors do you get |
| 00:53.23 | ws2k3 | imcompatible features |
| 00:53.32 | mrkotfw | "2010-01-31 [expired: 2011-02-01]" -- doh! |
| 00:53.34 | mrkotfw | No wonder! |
| 00:53.37 | Arrowmaster | and compiz has never been known to be the most stable software outthere if you know what i mean |
| 00:53.38 | jeremym | does it list the incompatible features |
| 00:53.48 | un214 | talon_: I've been running vesa instead due to memory corruption due to damanged hardware\ |
| 00:53.56 | ws2k3 | no |
| 00:54.03 | ws2k3 | it only say run debugfs |
| 00:54.06 | ws2k3 | or tune2fs |
| 00:54.07 | Azrael_- | grrrr, seems like it isn't that easy to properly create a debian package... |
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| 00:54.29 | ws2k3 | the system still boots so that nice |
| 00:54.32 | jeremym | ws2k3, http://www.hermann-uwe.de/blog/resizing-ext3-partitions-with-parted <<<-----take a look at that |
| 00:54.36 | Talon_ | well i definately wanna make the switch, when i was running testing, it had 1/2 the processes running compared to ubuntu 10.04 (using top to count processes) |
| 00:54.40 | un214 | Azrael_: ever use ar to make dpkg files? |
| 00:54.58 | un214 | Azrael_: works every time |
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| 00:55.07 | Arrowmaster | he said properly |
| 00:55.40 | jmarsden | Azrael_-: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian has info on the basics, and pointers to the longer reference documentation if you need it. |
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| 00:56.23 | MaDSeN | :) |
| 00:56.41 | un214 | the first time I needed to make a package it was to stop some dependency from being installed |
| 00:56.46 | mdmarmer | squeeze release tomorrow? |
| 00:56.56 | jeremym | yes tomorrow |
| 00:57.01 | jeremym | wont be out today |
| 00:57.05 | un214 | package dependency list lied, and dependent package -> crash |
| 00:57.08 | MaDSeN | look @ topic ffs |
| 00:57.09 | MaDSeN | :) |
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| 00:57.23 | Cozminsky | I'm in Australia, does that mean I get it now? |
| 00:57.26 | stew | mdmarmer: squeeze released an hour ago |
| 00:57.28 | jeremym | yea |
| 00:57.39 | jeremym | you can have it now since its tomorrow for you |
| 00:57.51 | jeremym | !topicsmite mdmarmer |
| 00:57.52 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon mdmarmer. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 00:57.52 | MaDSeN | hehe |
| 00:57.54 | mdmarmer | or does this mean it's already released? |
| 00:57.54 | mdmarmer | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 00:58.05 | Arrowmaster | debian.org still says 5.0.... |
| 00:58.12 | stew | mdmarmer: an official announcement here: http://identi.ca/debian/ |
| 00:58.24 | stew | Arrowmaster: we're getting a completely new website soon |
| 00:58.41 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 00:58.51 | neoice | on a package like bridge-utils, the version number didnt change between Lenny and Squeeze, so it appears to be overlooked by the updater? |
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| 01:00.30 | Cozminsky | http://planet.debian.org/ also seems to have extensive coverage |
| 01:00.38 | mdmarmer | thanks! |
| 01:01.03 | mrkotfw | Won't Debian run out of codenames from Toy Story? |
| 01:01.04 | sacredchao | So there is no release message on the website? |
| 01:01.12 | Arrowmaster | neoice: what is it not doing correctly? |
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| 01:01.34 | Cozminsky | I think wheezy is from toy story 2 |
| 01:01.41 | holoseen_ | ghost holoseen pazz |
| 01:02.00 | Lokpest | mrkotfw: obviously Pixar has to producy more sequels!! ;) |
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| 01:02.03 | jeremym | www.debian.org had a quick change |
| 01:02.08 | neoice | Arrowmaster: looks like aptitude ignores it when I update+upgrade and forcing it with 'apt-get -t squeeze upgrade bridge-utils' doesnt do anything |
| 01:02.25 | Arrowmaster | why would it have to do anything? |
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| 01:02.53 | neglesaks | congrats all on 6.0 and the new debian.org layout :) |
| 01:02.57 | peterrooney | mrkotfw: i would say it would be a wonderful thing if debian rand out of toy story code names - viz, as a mark of its logevity. |
| 01:03.14 | mrkotfw | That's true |
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| 01:03.37 | neoice | Arrowmaster: 'apt-show-versions' still reports that its from lenny? |
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| 01:03.41 | g0rd0n | new website lol |
| 01:03.44 | Azrael_- | jmarsden: thx |
| 01:03.45 | peterrooney | s/rand/ran/ |
| 01:03.46 | g0rd0n | was about time :) |
| 01:03.49 | *** topic/#debian by themill -> squeeze released (YAY! mirrors will take time to update) /msg dpkg squeeze ; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze | /msg dpkg new website | lenny (5.0.8) /msg dpkg 5.0.8 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | FAQ: http://bit.ly/DebFAQ | channel logs: http://bit.ly/DebFNDLog |
| 01:03.56 | Arrowmaster | neoice: that will change once you remove lenny from your sources.list |
| 01:03.56 | themill | !new website |
| 01:03.56 | dpkg | As part of the Squeeze release party, the http://www.debian.org site has had a face-lift. Enjoy! |
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| 01:04.03 | jmarsden | Azrael_-: You're welcome. |
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| 01:04.41 | Azrael_- | had only found the maintainers-guide and this is a "little" bit overwhelming :) |
| 01:04.51 | sacredchao | Ohhh, multi-arch netinst CD |
| 01:04.52 | DanDare | \o/ |
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| 01:06.03 | Benhuard | Congrats to all the team for the release and the new web site ! |
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| 01:06.50 | themill | stew: you still managed to lose squeeze pool even on the weekend of the release ;) |
| 01:06.53 | mrkotfw | Damn, I need MPlayer! |
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| 01:07.03 | FluxD | Is new website live? |
| 01:07.09 | MaDSeN | not here |
| 01:07.11 | streuner_ | asking himself why he downloads the torrent when d.o points to an iso directy :-) |
| 01:07.18 | FluxD | It is now |
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| 01:07.21 | sacredchao | Does Squeeze support additional microarchitectures? |
| 01:07.27 | peterrooney | wonders how the changes have made the website 'easier to navigate' |
| 01:07.27 | sacredchao | FluxD: Yes it is |
| 01:07.47 | FluxD | I was refrshing for 10 minutes, then when I stopped it came live :p |
| 01:07.47 | MaDSeN | yay.. there it was |
| 01:07.49 | frikinz | Let the fun begin! |
| 01:07.52 | Arrowmaster | themill: i clicked the "Report it!" button for fun and it did nothing |
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| 01:08.23 | themill | Arrowmaster: hmm? |
| 01:08.24 | MaDSeN | im really sorry.. im chatting through ubuntu :D |
| 01:08.37 | sacredchao | Does Squeeze support additional microarchitectures? Also how many more packages are in Squeeze rather than Lenny? |
| 01:08.45 | ZenWalker | congratulations to all the team, and thanks all, welcome wheezy!!! :D |
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| 01:09.52 | Arrowmaster | themill: on debian.org, i assume the "Report it!" button is supposed to do something other than send you to a thank you page |
| 01:10.04 | ZenWalker | the news on debian.org, translated to spanish, is wrong |
| 01:10.10 | themill | Arrowmaster: don't look at me |
| 01:10.40 | MaDSeN | so is sponsor.html :) |
| 01:10.43 | streuner_ | ZenWalker: become part of the translation team :-) |
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| 01:11.10 | streuner_ | ZenWalker: but just try #debian-www on OFTC |
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| 01:11.27 | PlagueRat | anybody ever heard of RAID's causing a S5 power down on synchronization ???? |
| 01:11.43 | ZenWalker | ok |
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| 01:11.59 | Lokpest | ZenWalker: http://xkcd.com/386/ |
| 01:12.03 | cordell | http://www.debian.org/sponsor.html is a broken link |
| 01:12.23 | abrotman | ZenWalker: it was likely translated by a native speaker .. |
| 01:12.44 | stew | sacredchao: last I looked there were about 4300 source packages in squeeze but not lenny (and about 1000 in lenny but not squeeze) |
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| 01:13.33 | stew | sacredchao: we lose arches but gain kfreebsd |
| 01:13.56 | abrotman | waves goodbye to Alpha |
| 01:14.07 | dvs | poor DEC |
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| 01:14.20 | sacredchao | stew: Is hurd lost? |
| 01:14.22 | Arrowmaster | can you even still get Alpha's? |
| 01:14.27 | abrotman | dvs: no .. you don't understand .. i still have an Alpha in use at work |
| 01:14.31 | tk8 | hi, im tyring to figure out global vim plugin directory |
| 01:14.35 | dvs | o_O |
| 01:14.37 | abrotman | Arrowmaster: get, yes .. new, no |
| 01:14.42 | tk8 | any idea how i cna figure this out? |
| 01:14.49 | linuxguy | hhmm......Ive got a torrent for debian 6......but I cant find a site with just a kde6.iso file on it via http/ftp........ is it all torrents for now? |
| 01:15.02 | abrotman | linuxguy: which arch ? |
| 01:15.05 | sacredchao | Also what about arm changes |
| 01:15.14 | stew | sacredchao: its not released. its not lost (yet) but we are discussing about discussing obout losing it |
| 01:15.32 | stew | sacredchao: we drop arm and only have armel now |
| 01:15.40 | ZenWalker | when packages.debian.org squeeze -> stable ? |
| 01:15.41 | linuxguy | abrotman, debian 6 kde1.iso pls |
| 01:15.52 | linuxguy | oops dc1.iso I meant |
| 01:15.59 | abrotman | linuxguy: which arch ? |
| 01:16.09 | sacredchao | Anything else lost besides arm, alpha, and hurd? |
| 01:16.17 | linuxguy | abrotman, arch..as in i386 |
| 01:16.22 | abrotman | sacredchao: hppa |
| 01:16.24 | dvs | hurd is gone? |
| 01:16.31 | abrotman | linuxguy: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/6.0.0/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 01:16.41 | abrotman | dvs: not released with the rest, possibly going away |
| 01:16.49 | linuxguy | abr thanks |
| 01:17.30 | stew | sacredchao: hurd was not lost |
| 01:17.51 | sacredchao | How much realistically has be changed from the i386 or amd64 package sets when you change kernels though? |
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| 01:18.25 | streuner_ | ZenWalker: yes, squeeze is stable now |
| 01:18.40 | sacredchao | I mean most of kFreeBSD-i386 must be the same as i386 surely... |
| 01:18.40 | stew | sacredchao: hppa is gone too |
| 01:18.47 | linuxguy | abrotman, thanks getting a lot faster download now....maybe the torrents are being hammered! |
| 01:18.51 | sacredchao | Wouldn't hurd-i386 be mostly the same as i386? |
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| 01:19.01 | streuner_ | ZenWalker: /topic |
| 01:19.04 | abrotman | linuxguy: or not enough people helping :( |
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| 01:19.17 | IRConan | sacredchao: erm... every package would have to be compiled differently |
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| 01:19.34 | sacredchao | linuxguy: Torrents being hammered makes no sense... the more people using torrents the faster they become |
| 01:19.42 | sacredchao | IRConan: Even though only the kernel changes? |
| 01:19.44 | abrotman | streuner_: uhm .. that doesn't help |
| 01:19.50 | stew | sacredchao: no, its not justa kernel change, all the packages are different |
| 01:20.01 | IRConan | the packages are compiled against kernel headers |
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| 01:20.10 | IRConan | the kernel has different system calls, etc |
| 01:20.15 | streuner_ | abrotman: if you have a better answer just try it :- |
| 01:20.29 | abrotman | streuner_: you know when packages.debian.org will change? |
| 01:20.45 | Arrowmaster | it has changed, somewhat |
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| 01:20.58 | linuxguy | abrotman, i seeing here in the uk just 2 ppl seeding and out leeches about 3 out of 20....my download speed is only 50kb/sec.....with the iso Im hetting over 170 kb/sec |
| 01:21.01 | stew | sacredchao: libc is different on hurd/kfreebsd, which changes everything |
| 01:21.09 | sacredchao | I see okay. |
| 01:21.10 | streuner_ | abrotman: well, you *prolly* untersand the question better then :-) |
| 01:21.31 | MaDSeN | im seeding @ 6MB/s |
| 01:21.33 | MaDSeN | soo |
| 01:21.33 | abrotman | linuxguy: up to you .. |
| 01:21.40 | kgoetz | irc from freerunner with debian! wooo! thanks all :) |
| 01:22.01 | ndnihil | woot freerunner |
| 01:22.18 | ndnihil | phone:~# uptime |
| 01:22.19 | ndnihil | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.22 | ndnihil | ^my FR |
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| 01:22.43 | DanDare | Almost every page on Debian's site says that "Warning ! This translation is very outdated, please read the _original_". It seems it needs more help. Im looking for where can I start to get engaged with translations, any clue? Where should I start? |
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| 01:22.56 | InfectedSoul | whats another ftp program proftpd isnt working on my box |
| 01:22.57 | kgoetz | ndnihil: nice |
| 01:23.12 | DanDare | And maybe this is a good time to start some new compromise :) |
| 01:23.44 | abrotman | InfectedSoul: vsftpd |
| 01:23.48 | InfectedSoul | ty :D |
| 01:24.14 | streuner_ | ZenWalker: please rephrase that question again. |
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| 01:24.31 | JordiGH | Woohoo, release. |
| 01:24.42 | InfectedSoul | Response:530 This FTP server is anonymous only. |
| 01:24.43 | InfectedSoul | Error:Could not connect to server |
| 01:24.44 | InfectedSoul | wtf |
| 01:25.09 | ndnihil | InfectedSoul: regardless which ftpd you use, you're going to have to configure it |
| 01:25.27 | JordiGH | So with the new webpage design, does this mean that whatever bug about the webpages not being free is now closed? |
| 01:25.28 | InfectedSoul | i never had to do that to proftpd lol |
| 01:25.30 | JordiGH | lol |
| 01:25.51 | ndnihil | and you say proftpd isn't working |
| 01:25.57 | ndnihil | so you obviously do |
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| 01:26.17 | InfectedSoul | no when i configured it i put it in inetd and it wont start in anything |
| 01:26.28 | mbn | happy squeeze everyone :-) |
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| 01:26.32 | ndnihil | did you -HUP inetd? |
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| 01:26.39 | JordiGH | Squeeeeeeeze me! |
| 01:26.47 | JordiGH | !champagne mbn |
| 01:26.48 | dpkg | puts on a black catsuit and showers mbn in the finest Dom Perignon champagne. |
| 01:27.01 | mbn | :-) |
| 01:27.02 | dvs | !hug JordiGH |
| 01:27.03 | dpkg | gives JordiGH a hug |
| 01:27.34 | InfectedSoul | psychoshield:/home/infected# kill -HUP inetd |
| 01:27.34 | InfectedSoul | bash: kill: inetd: arguments must be process or job IDs |
| 01:27.56 | ndnihil | erm, yeah you might want to use the PID there |
| 01:28.01 | ndnihil | or killall |
| 01:28.19 | InfectedSoul | command not found for killall |
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| 01:28.43 | ndnihil | kill -HUP `pidof inetd` |
| 01:28.52 | ndnihil | shakes his head |
| 01:29.05 | ndnihil | or if you wanted to type some more |
| 01:29.20 | InfectedSoul | inetd isnt running |
| 01:29.21 | ndnihil | ps uaxwww |grep inetd |awk '{print $2}' |xargs kill -HUP |
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| 01:29.47 | MaDSeN | do the Bart dance |
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| 01:30.17 | InfectedSoul | kill: no such process |
| 01:31.02 | JordiGH | MaDSeN: How about the Macarena instead? |
| 01:31.16 | ndnihil | if inetd isn't running, you should probably start it |
| 01:31.17 | JordiGH | She was only in labour for 17 hours. Lenny was in labour for 21 hours. |
| 01:31.32 | JordiGH | hands everyone cigars. |
| 01:31.35 | InfectedSoul | how so? |
| 01:31.50 | MaDSeN | JordiGH: that'll work too :) |
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| 01:32.06 | grapsus | YEAH |
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| 01:32.46 | ZenWalker | when new packages on wheezy? :D |
| 01:33.17 | mbn | ZenWalker, it will take some time until the gates are opened and unstable packages start falling into testing |
| 01:33.18 | JordiGH | squeeze is a very good release, what's the rush, why can't you kids appreciate the birth of a new release? |
| 01:33.19 | streuner_ | ZenWalker: i guess that *bunt* stuff, so please ask #ubuntu |
| 01:33.22 | grapsus | what was the last critical bug ? |
| 01:33.33 | InfectedSoul | dont even think theres inetd |
| 01:33.41 | csmart | anyone know if there's a way to specify default groups for new users? like an option in /etc/default/useradd ? |
| 01:34.21 | stew | csmart: /etc/adduser.conf has such an option |
| 01:34.44 | csmart | stew: thanks, I'll check it out.. |
| 01:34.45 | grapsus | alias useradd='useradd --group mygroup' :p |
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| 01:34.54 | csmart | grapsus: indeed :-) |
| 01:35.03 | JordiGH | !nickometer _____________ |
| 01:35.05 | dpkg | '_____________' is 99.9929% lame, jordigh |
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| 01:35.06 | trebuchet | Does Debian use GNU inetutil's inetd? |
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| 01:35.19 | whatthefuzz | i wonder if logindefs can do it |
| 01:35.27 | csmart | whatthefuzz: I looked there, but couldn't see an option... |
| 01:35.29 | grapsus | !nickometer grapsus |
| 01:35.30 | dpkg | 'grapsus' is 0.000% lame, grapsus |
| 01:35.31 | ZenWalker | streuner_: #ubuntu ? I dont understand you |
| 01:35.38 | grapsus | how does it work ? |
| 01:35.58 | JordiGH | grapsus: CamelCaps, non-ASCII, and other things add to the lameness. |
| 01:36.08 | trebuchet | !nickometer trebuchet |
| 01:36.10 | trebuchet | :< |
| 01:36.10 | dpkg | 'trebuchet' is 0.000% lame, trebuchet |
| 01:36.10 | grapsus | nice |
| 01:36.11 | JordiGH | Er, non-alphabetic. |
| 01:36.21 | InfectedSoul | fixed vsftpd bye |
| 01:36.33 | streuner_ | ZenWalker: so you mean with wheezy squeeze? |
| 01:36.39 | grapsus | JordiGH: I coded an anti rick roll bot for my chan |
| 01:36.53 | Bravewolf | I need to get used to new website.... it seems less well organized as the older, even thought it is sexier |
| 01:36.54 | grapsus | wget + grep + ircbot |
| 01:37.01 | trebuchet | grapsus: You have too much time. Just forbid and +m the offenders. |
| 01:37.03 | Bravewolf | what do you think about it? |
| 01:37.04 | MaDSeN | what did Rick do nau :D |
| 01:37.07 | JordiGH | Squeezy wheeze. |
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| 01:37.23 | grapsus | trebuchet: offenders are people from my school |
| 01:37.34 | trebuchet | grapsus: Then you can punch them in the face, that's great! |
| 01:37.42 | grapsus | we juste opened the chan and we're not enough to just ban people |
| 01:37.48 | grapsus | indeed |
| 01:38.15 | streuner_ | JordiGH: exactly :-) |
| 01:38.30 | samiamiam | There's a side project to Android that is attempting to make things even more open, right down to the hardware -- The strange thing is I cannot find the project home page anymore, no matter how many different keyword searches I do, I just can't get through the other hits |
| 01:38.45 | abrotman | samiamiam: and you're asking here why? |
| 01:38.51 | abrotman | samiamiam: Maemo ? |
| 01:38.51 | samiamiam | why not |
| 01:38.58 | samiamiam | nope |
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| 01:39.22 | zinx | samiamiam: Android has absolutely nothing to do with Debian |
| 01:39.25 | abrotman | samiamiam: because this channel is about Debian .. Android isn't Debian? there are a few android channels |
| 01:39.43 | jsubl2 | congrats debian developers |
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| 01:40.10 | ZenWalker | streuner_: I am spanish, my english is poor, sorry |
| 01:40.24 | samiamiam | Ok, I don't want to get anyone upset here, I just thought I'd see if someone might be able to no what I'm talking about |
| 01:40.30 | grapsus | it's kind of off-topic, but I need to choose between Desire, Desire HD and Desire Z |
| 01:40.39 | abrotman | samiamiam: there is a #defocus for all sorts of random questions :) |
| 01:40.42 | grapsus | need help |
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| 01:40.46 | abrotman | grapsus: totally offtopic .. try #debian-offtopic |
| 01:40.49 | Kotori | Yah! |
| 01:40.55 | grapsus | does it exist ? |
| 01:40.56 | Kotori | Squeeze come in stable! |
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| 01:42.12 | Mad7Scientst | I think I need some kind of debian guide to show me how to install and uninstall things, add and remove packages sources from the Internet or CD/DVD-rom, configure Xorg and configure networking |
| 01:42.23 | s3a | Why is Squeeze released?? It has 12 RC bugs left! Or is this out of sync for now?: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 01:42.39 | abrotman | out of sync |
| 01:42.43 | abrotman | kind of |
| 01:42.44 | dvs | gasps |
| 01:43.03 | abrotman | s3a: they can be marked ignore |
| 01:43.45 | s3a | abrotman, wait is out of sync or what because ignored and out of sync are different things |
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| 01:44.03 | cheche | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:44.45 | abrotman | s3a: /msg dpkg rc bugs |
| 01:44.59 | stew | s3a: bugs were being filed against squeeze while it was being released, and after |
| 01:45.56 | s3a | stew, o ok that makes sense, the bugs should still be adressed, right? even though it's already marked as stable |
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| 01:47.01 | stew | s3a: some will be addressed in a point release, some will have their priorities lowered by release team. some will remain |
| 01:47.26 | s3a | stew, is it true that non-rc bugs are ignored for stable releases? |
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| 01:48.02 | stew | s3a: yes |
| 01:48.09 | s3a | :( |
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| 01:48.33 | s3a | but if the debian dev chooses to do so, he/she can not ignore it right? lol like there's no rool that says ur not allowed to fix a non-rc bug, right? |
| 01:48.42 | s3a | rule* |
| 01:48.43 | s3a | LOL |
| 01:48.44 | s3a | "rool" |
| 01:48.58 | x0b | are you high upon crack |
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| 01:49.09 | s3a | lol no, i just zone out while typing |
| 01:49.10 | JordiGH | lol |
| 01:49.16 | dvs | s3a: depends how minor the bug is. |
| 01:49.24 | jeremym | what is the kernel that squeeze uses? |
| 01:49.27 | jeremym | what version |
| 01:49.28 | s3a | 2.6.32 |
| 01:49.37 | JordiGH | With a large Debian revision number. |
| 01:49.44 | jeremym | 2.6.32-5? |
| 01:49.56 | s3a | jeremym, not sure im on a lenny system now |
| 01:50.02 | jeremym | what does lenny use |
| 01:50.10 | s3a | i'm using 2.6.32 on lenny |
| 01:50.12 | s3a | but it uses 2.6.26 |
| 01:50.15 | grapsus | 2.6.32-42squeeze1337 :p |
| 01:50.16 | dvs | waits for squeeze-and-a-half |
| 01:50.22 | s3a | lol |
| 01:50.27 | s3a | i'm actually waiting |
| 01:50.31 | s3a | i need it for a tablet |
| 01:50.36 | aidaho | 2.6.32-5 |
| 01:50.53 | jeremym | ok aidaho ty |
| 01:50.56 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 01:50.57 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.37-trunk-686 (2.6.37-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 01:51.03 | s3a | ok so in a few years if i become a debian developper i can upload bug fixes that are super minor to debian stable? |
| 01:51.20 | abrotman | s3a: you can send patches now .. why wait? |
| 01:51.29 | s3a | abrotman, because i'm not smart enough |
| 01:51.35 | s3a | i'm not in university |
| 01:51.39 | s3a | i only know basic GUI programming |
| 01:51.54 | s3a | i'm going to uni next year |
| 01:51.57 | stew | s3a: no, not to stable. you don't upload to stable without approval from a stable release manager, and they aren't going to approve fixes for minor bugs |
| 01:52.05 | abrotman | s3a: not all patches are programming |
| 01:52.18 | stew | s3a: it would go against the principle of "stable" |
| 01:52.43 | s3a | stew, ok well as long as i can do it during the freeze |
| 01:52.51 | s3a | abrotman, that doesn't make sense to me |
| 01:53.06 | s3a | so i guess i'll upgrade to squeeze while doing my homework!!! :D |
| 01:53.18 | stew | s3a: no, not during the freeze |
| 01:53.23 | abrotman | s3a: you can patch documentation also or write documentation |
| 01:53.37 | s3a | stew, so when? |
| 01:53.42 | s3a | before it? |
| 01:53.57 | s3a | stew, i hope debian adopts scheduled freezes |
| 01:54.03 | s3a | it really should |
| 01:54.04 | stew | yes, and then still you don't upload other people's packages for minor fixes without working with them |
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| 01:54.34 | s3a | working with them meaning being responsible for the package in question? |
| 01:55.04 | stew | s3a: typically it means sending patches to the bts to let them upload |
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| 01:55.28 | stew | s3a: or asking them if they mind an NMU, but an NMU is typically done when the regular maintainer is unavailalbe |
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| 01:56.08 | rektide | i accidentally deleted a /etc/default/postfix |
| 01:56.13 | rektide | any suggestions for how to restore it? |
| 01:57.24 | rektide | rather, how to get the package default ? |
| 01:57.36 | amphi | !confmiss |
| 01:57.36 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>. |
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| 01:58.38 | stew | however /etc/default/postfix isn't a conffile |
| 01:58.50 | s3a | stew, what's the best way to get minor fixes in then? |
| 01:59.00 | stew | s3a: send patches to the bts |
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| 02:00.16 | Achylles_ | which is the new testing name for Debian and when is it going to appear in the repos? |
| 02:00.26 | JordiGH | wheeze |
| 02:00.42 | JordiGH | And as for the latter.... soon... and you don't want to touch it, because it's going to be a mess for a while. |
| 02:00.44 | D-HUND | *wheezy? |
| 02:00.48 | JordiGH | wheezy, yeah. |
| 02:00.51 | JordiGH | Or squeezy. |
| 02:00.52 | JordiGH | I forget. |
| 02:01.03 | JordiGH | Or buzzy. |
| 02:01.06 | JordiGH | Or Wood. |
| 02:01.07 | stew | Achylles_: wheezy and its appearing now. some mirrors have it, some will take a while to sync |
| 02:01.28 | rektide | how many toy story chars are left ? :/ |
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| 02:01.48 | JordiGH | rektide: Oh, we aren't gonna run out for a while. There's like 60 total with names or something like that, maybe more. |
| 02:02.23 | Achylles_ | rektide, I am already bored whit toy story names for Debian. I could be changed (...) |
| 02:02.36 | JordiGH | It breaks my heart that the only thing people seem to be happy about release is that packages are gonna get uploaded into unstable instead of experimental. :-/ |
| 02:02.39 | DanDare | So... its time to get a minimal image and try Squeeze? I mean, it may just work? Should I wait a bit more ? |
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| 02:03.04 | JordiGH | DanDare: squeeze is officially ready. It's been tested and its RC bugs have been squashed. |
| 02:03.12 | DanDare | \o/ |
| 02:03.16 | DanDare | thanks |
| 02:03.27 | mbn | JordiGH, that is what the louder voices say, but it's not true |
| 02:03.43 | stew | mbn: what is not true? |
| 02:03.50 | DanDare | causes me anxiety |
| 02:04.04 | mbn | JordiGH, I'm honestly happy that squeeze is released as the new stable, and not because new stuff will arrive to sid |
| 02:04.22 | DanDare | yeah fair enough |
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| 02:04.53 | abrotman | huh? |
| 02:04.53 | DanDare | its not for nothing it was "freeze" sooome months ago |
| 02:04.57 | JordiGH | My family runs stable. |
| 02:04.57 | rektide | so, /etc/default/postfix isnt a conffile... any suggestions? i can go download and un, ah, tar-gzip? the .deb files and pull the files out? |
| 02:05.03 | JordiGH | And nothing else. |
| 02:05.03 | cesurasean1 | Hehe |
| 02:05.06 | JordiGH | Because they don't like bugs. |
| 02:05.06 | rektide | was wondering if there were alternatives |
| 02:05.19 | DanDare | loves Debian |
| 02:05.23 | mbn | I used to be an unstable guy, but now I'm older and need more stability in my life :-) |
| 02:05.41 | mbn | oh, and most important of all... |
| 02:05.44 | mbn | loves Debian :-) |
| 02:05.45 | streuner_ | good idea |
| 02:05.53 | JordiGH | loves Debian. |
| 02:05.55 | Achylles_ | Does it make any difference if I leave my sources.list which testing or I have to change it to wheezy in this initial fase? |
| 02:06.09 | nsadmin | is going to love DebiAn... tonite! |
| 02:06.19 | streuner_ | wth is wheezy? :-) |
| 02:06.22 | JordiGH | Achylles_: If you leave it as testing, you'll start getting wheezy packages as they're available... but you honestly probably don't want to do that right now. |
| 02:06.53 | JordiGH | Achylles_: There's gonna be a deluge of packages from unstable flooding into testing, and they're not gonna get along for a while. |
| 02:07.01 | sacredchao | I am trying to update an install to squeeze but apparently am having issues with dpkg and libc6: |
| 02:07.01 | sacredchao | http://pastebin.com/RH1Rp4Rp |
| 02:07.07 | mbn | streuner_, wheezy == ++squeeze |
| 02:07.18 | nsadmin | oh, yeah, use the name not "testing" |
| 02:07.40 | DanDare | so mbn, if i start from fresh install. It will just work or not? Should i just wait more or no ? |
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| 02:08.30 | Cozminsky | no empty repos on volatile for squeeze I take it? |
| 02:08.37 | stew | DanDare: if will work, as long as you are using a mirror that has been synced |
| 02:08.49 | ZykoticK9 | Do I assume correctly that the debian-6.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso is a Netinstall for both i386 and amd64? |
| 02:08.50 | DanDare | got it stew |
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| 02:09.04 | stew | Cozminsky: volatile is now "squeeze-updates" and its on the main mirrors not on volatile.debian.org |
| 02:09.11 | stew | Cozminsky: (and its currently empty) |
| 02:09.22 | dvs | ZykoticK9: No, that is just for i386 |
| 02:09.26 | Achylles_ | I will leave "testing" and wait for the deluge then. Because I do not want to downgrade my sistem. |
| 02:09.31 | nsadmin | of course... if you want to spend the time restoring from the backup you -better- make, recovering from hundreds of small "fires" and fixing your package db by hand, by all means... go for it... but unless you back up every day or every hour (if you really do work), don't do real work on it |
| 02:09.41 | ZykoticK9 | dvs, why the amd64 part? |
| 02:09.56 | ZykoticK9 | dvs, and the huge size (for a netinstall)? |
| 02:10.08 | karlpinc | Likes the new website. |
| 02:10.14 | nsadmin | Achylles_, testing and squeeze are the same right now. |
| 02:10.45 | karlpinc | nsadmin: Perhaps for an instant, they will now diverge. |
| 02:10.55 | nsadmin | just so you know. you're not going to come back and say you weren't warned about this, right? |
| 02:10.58 | DanDare | yeah, that unique event in time and space i suppose |
| 02:10.59 | nsadmin | why now? |
| 02:11.13 | s3a | stew, ok thanks |
| 02:11.24 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 02:11.28 | s3a | i'm gonna go study now |
| 02:11.30 | DanDare | or it was just at time the boss finally hit the ENTER key |
| 02:11.34 | karlpinc | nsadmin: Thereris now a new testing getting ready for the wheezy release. |
| 02:11.36 | nsadmin | interesting, I guess I have stable again |
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| 02:12.10 | dvs | ZykoticK9: where did you get this? |
| 02:12.18 | nsadmin | so the previous mirror pulse is not squeeze stable? |
| 02:12.31 | karlpinc | ZykoticK9: So that people don't have to know whether their box is 32 or 64 bit? |
| 02:12.32 | ZykoticK9 | dvs, main page - linked at top right |
| 02:12.43 | Achylles_ | nsadmin, I known. But, my sources.list have testing and it means that it is pointing to wheezy whenever that is ready. |
| 02:12.44 | ZykoticK9 | karlpinc, ? i don't know. |
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| 02:13.03 | karlpinc | ZykoticK9: You'd have to read the lists to be sure, but no doubt that's why. |
| 02:13.12 | nsadmin | Achylles_: good enuf. enjoy. |
| 02:13.28 | stew | nsadmin: a mirror pulse was manually started 2 hours ago |
| 02:13.35 | karlpinc | Achylles_: Just be sure to report the bugs. |
| 02:13.37 | Achylles_ | nsadmin, :) |
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| 02:14.00 | nsadmin | stew: oh, what about the one before that? I think my upgrade was just before |
| 02:14.03 | ZykoticK9 | karlpinc, it does appear to be the size of the i386+amd64 - it would be great if it was for either (very handy to only have 1 cd) |
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| 02:14.05 | skutr3 | can i get a link to the 6.0 images |
| 02:14.08 | Cozminsky | whereabouts are backports now? |
| 02:14.17 | ndnihil | soo, udev changed? my rules for mapping devices to more reasonable names aren't working and udevinfo is gone |
| 02:14.47 | stew | nsadmin: the one that happened, uh 18 hours before? |
| 02:14.52 | dvs | ndnihil: I think it's called 'udevutil' now |
| 02:15.01 | ndnihil | udevadm |
| 02:15.23 | Achylles_ | karlpinc, there will be not many bugs because i have done that before with lenny <> squeeze and my system work very well. I am not afraid of taking the risks. |
| 02:15.52 | ndnihil | grabbed the serial numbers for the devices, but the udev rules to symlink them to /dev/mynamingNNN dont work |
| 02:16.19 | nsadmin | stew: yeah |
| 02:16.24 | ndnihil | same rule format I'm using on a lenny host |
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| 02:16.43 | stew | nsadmin: that was the last one with lenny as stable |
| 02:17.19 | stew | nsadmin: would have been triggered by the 07:52 dinstall run, and we turned off cron around 09:30 |
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| 02:17.36 | Lewoco | Most programs take ages (5-20 seconds) to resolve names. For example "lynx -dump www.google.com" takes 20 seconds because it takes so long at the "Looking up 'www.google.com' first" step. |
| 02:17.40 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.41 | stew | (turning off cron being the start of the release process, i guess) |
| 02:17.43 | stew | yes |
| 02:17.52 | skutr3 | can someone help me i wanna make sure im downloading the right file!! |
| 02:18.05 | nsadmin | and the end of it being turning the cron back on?\ |
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| 02:18.39 | nsadmin | skutr3: have some patience... the mirrors need time to settle |
| 02:18.41 | streuner_ | skutr3: if you have to ask, its most likely i386 |
| 02:18.42 | stew | nsadmin: cron is not on yet |
| 02:18.49 | stew | (for either release or ftp) |
| 02:19.00 | nsadmin | but that would be the last step? |
| 02:19.21 | skutr3 | nsadmin: it is called debian 6.0 amd64 its a 4g file |
| 02:19.39 | nsadmin | that sounds like a dvd image |
| 02:19.44 | skutr3 | it is |
| 02:19.45 | nsadmin | are you sure you need one? |
| 02:19.51 | skutr3 | idk |
| 02:20.13 | skutr3 | ive never used debian before |
| 02:20.14 | quuxman | Wyzard: this is going to be easier than you thought possibly. In the (select-workspace) function, it loops through windows calling (define (window-appears-in-workspace-p w space) |
| 02:20.19 | nsadmin | oh ok... maybe a way that's less load on the mirrors would be acceptable to you? |
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| 02:20.25 | quuxman | Wyzard: oh sorry, miss |
| 02:20.27 | abrotman | there's a link on the top of the front page fo debian.org that points to a multi-arch installer |
| 02:20.41 | InfectedSoul | is there a reason why vsftpd cant write to the home directory of the user they are using? |
| 02:20.42 | skutr3 | uhh sure nsadmin |
| 02:20.45 | quuxman | Wyzard: miss-paste. Anyway, probably only have to redefine window-appears-in-workspace-p |
| 02:20.50 | InfectedSoul | Response:550 Permission denied. |
| 02:20.50 | InfectedSoul | Error:Critical file transfer error |
| 02:20.51 | InfectedSoul | Status:Disconnected from server |
| 02:21.37 | nsadmin | ok, here's what you -could- do... you could get a lenny netinst, install the lenny base (only), then do upgrade over the net in a day or two |
| 02:21.51 | stew | nsadmin: i'd guess we'll have cron back on this time tomorrow |
| 02:22.08 | skutr3 | nsadmin: other options? |
| 02:22.27 | InfectedSoul | ls -l shows this |
| 02:22.28 | InfectedSoul | drwx------ 12 ircd ircd 12288 Feb 5 18:01 Unreal3.2 |
| 02:22.39 | nsadmin | there are a buncch of options |
| 02:23.00 | skutr3 | like? |
| 02:23.19 | nsadmin | well they're all outlined in the install guide |
| 02:23.41 | nsadmin | -maybe- you could upgrade to squeeze sooner |
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| 02:23.46 | nsadmin | one sec, |
| 02:23.55 | skutr3 | if i go with the dics image do i have to have multiple discs? |
| 02:24.07 | skutr3 | disc* |
| 02:24.24 | Schoentoon | Is there some kind of list with the updated mirrors available? |
| 02:24.30 | InfectedSoul | get the minimal :D |
| 02:24.47 | skutr3 | Schoentoon: yeah im downloading squeeze now |
| 02:25.05 | skutr3 | its taking a while though\ |
| 02:25.11 | Schoentoon | skutr3: That isn't what I meant lol. |
| 02:25.22 | skutr3 | oh |
| 02:25.25 | skutr3 | lol |
| 02:25.30 | skutr3 | ill shut up now |
| 02:25.43 | Schoentoon | Because I'm installing squeeze right now and like every mirror gives me an error :/ |
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| 02:25.56 | streuner_ | so have some patience |
| 02:26.07 | streuner_ | its only 1 hour ago... |
| 02:26.12 | skutr3 | how are you installing now i still have hours left on download |
| 02:26.14 | nsadmin | the thing is you don't need a 4g image most likely |
| 02:26.22 | Schoentoon | skutr3: netinstall :P |
| 02:26.26 | cesurasean1 | Lol |
| 02:26.26 | nsadmin | AND it will be superceeded in hours |
| 02:26.27 | skutr3 | how |
| 02:26.46 | skutr3 | i wanna do a netinstall |
| 02:26.51 | nsadmin | a netinstall cd image (170 mb) |
| 02:26.59 | abrotman | link on the front page |
| 02:27.00 | skutr3 | damn |
| 02:27.03 | skutr3 | ok |
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| 02:27.48 | skutr3 | ok where is it |
| 02:27.48 | skutr3 | ? |
| 02:27.53 | nsadmin | there's downloads after that to get the bulk of your system installed but they would be from package mirrors, which can take a bigger hit |
| 02:27.56 | Schoentoon | only problem I have right now with the netinstall is choosing the mirror.. any mirrors that are fully up to date? |
| 02:28.04 | abrotman | seriously? the link is right on the front page |
| 02:28.16 | abrotman | there are numerous even |
| 02:28.29 | skutr3 | on debian.org? |
| 02:28.30 | streuner_ | skutr3: www.debian.org right on the top :-) |
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| 02:29.18 | abrotman | or inthe middle, or in the news .. |
| 02:29.39 | skutr3 | soryy |
| 02:29.43 | skutr3 | sorry* |
| 02:29.44 | nsadmin | where's the scrolly irc party?! |
| 02:29.49 | skutr3 | im dumb |
| 02:29.58 | streuner_ | or just tired |
| 02:30.03 | skutr3 | wow 30 minutes |
| 02:30.10 | skutr3 | and yeah im tired |
| 02:30.41 | skutr3 | does debian come preloaded with firefox too? |
| 02:31.11 | streuner_ | nah, netinstall has some essential packages, just to install... |
| 02:31.16 | nsadmin | "preloaded" no, but there's a package of it. might be actually called iceweasel |
| 02:31.30 | skutr3 | is the netinst same concept as the reg iso |
| 02:31.36 | nsadmin | debian is split into packages |
| 02:31.48 | skutr3 | just burn to disc and boot from disc? |
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| 02:31.52 | DanDare | \o/ http://zz.ath.cx/squeeze.jpg |
| 02:32.07 | nsadmin | one of the isos is bootable (cd #1) |
| 02:32.16 | nsadmin | and does act like a netinst |
| 02:32.20 | Schoentoon | DanDare: A cd with both 32 and 64 bit? Nice |
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| 02:32.52 | skutr3 | so can i just burn iso to disc and boot from disc with netinst? |
| 02:33.00 | Schoentoon | skutr3: yes. |
| 02:33.00 | cesurasean1 | Newbies; p |
| 02:33.07 | skutr3 | sorry |
| 02:33.08 | DanDare | Schoentoon, seems it's :) |
| 02:33.16 | Schoentoon | DanDare awesome |
| 02:33.46 | DanDare | yeah indeed |
| 02:34.08 | Schoentoon | So, nobody knows a fully updated mirror? |
| 02:34.12 | streuner_ | skutr3: how did you recognises that Debian has a new release, btw? |
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| 02:34.20 | skutr3 | i hope i have enough space for a dual boot |
| 02:34.46 | skutr3 | streuner_: Hydroxide told me when i joined channel |
| 02:34.53 | streuner_ | hm |
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| 02:35.07 | streuner_ | so it was just good luck? |
| 02:36.16 | skutr3 | i guess |
| 02:36.30 | acx0 | is it recommended to upgrade apt, dpkg, and aptitude before doing a dist-upgrade? or does it not make a difference? |
| 02:36.30 | streuner_ | Schoentoon: you waited long enough, is that still important to wait 1 day more? ;-) |
| 02:36.56 | abrotman | Schoentoon: if you're pointed at 'squeeze' in your sources, it really shouldn't matter much |
| 02:37.12 | dvs | acx0: read the install instructions. |
| 02:37.26 | skutr3 | i have a 250gig harddrive and idk if ill have enough space for a dual boot |
| 02:37.38 | Schoentoon | abrotman: Not doing an upgrade, clean install in vm. |
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| 02:38.45 | streuner_ | skutr3: new HDs are cheap nowadays |
| 02:39.41 | skutr3 | streuner_: im getting a new pc soon |
| 02:40.47 | skutr3 | streuner_: will that be enough space? |
| 02:41.20 | streuner_ | 250GB was enough many years ago, woody and 98, but nowadays? no |
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| 02:41.56 | skutr3 | streuner_: well its going to be a dual boot with windows so less than that |
| 02:42.03 | Raptors | sudo hidd --connect aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff |
| 02:42.10 | Raptors | How do I enter in the pin? |
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| 02:43.15 | streuner_ | skutr3: in order to get some features and fun with Debian, its not enough, IMO |
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| 02:43.34 | streuner_ | skutr3: oh wait, i read 250MB... |
| 02:43.43 | streuner_ | skutr3: sure, its enough |
| 02:43.45 | skutr3 | streuner_: fail |
| 02:44.21 | streuner_ | well, iam tired too :-P |
| 02:44.32 | skutr3 | skutr3: so 250 GB (gigabytes) will be enough |
| 02:44.38 | streuner_ | yes |
| 02:44.48 | skutr3 | i just tagged my own name |
| 02:44.50 | skutr3 | lol |
| 02:44.50 | streuner_ | more than enough |
| 02:45.04 | skutr3 | even with a dual boot with windows? |
| 02:45.09 | streuner_ | sure |
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| 02:45.24 | skutr3 | idk how to partition and all that stuff |
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| 02:46.16 | skutr3 | what is the difference between a netinstall and an install from a full image? |
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| 02:47.31 | streuner_ | skutr3: netinstall is a limited iso which has mostly essential packages (kernel and a few packages) |
| 02:47.40 | skutr3 | ok |
| 02:47.48 | DevinMorin | If I want to add a block of IPv4 addresses to a single network interface how would I go about doing that? |
| 02:47.53 | skutr3 | 3 minutes left!!!! |
| 02:48.14 | skutr3 | 1 minute |
| 02:49.58 | skutr3 | 30 seconds till i can install the greatest OS to date |
| 02:50.01 | Tramp | DevinMorin: probably with a bunch of "ip addr add" lines as post-up (or up) commands |
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| 02:50.32 | DevinMorin | what abut defining virtual interfaces like eth1:1? |
| 02:51.08 | Tramp | well, virtual interfaces are deprecated since about a decade, iirc. |
| 02:51.13 | ring2 | squeeze is stable by now right? |
| 02:51.21 | streuner_ | yes |
| 02:51.36 | DevinMorin | :Tramp crap, im old... whats the best way to do it then? |
| 02:51.54 | streuner_ | ring2: /topic |
| 02:52.08 | Tramp | DevinMorin: what I just suggested? |
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| 02:52.17 | ring2 | streuner_, i see :) |
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| 02:52.28 | skutr3 | burning to disc |
| 02:52.32 | arand | I've rmmodded pcspkr, but my laptop still is kind enough to blast my ears, are there further steps to get rid of the system beep? |
| 02:52.52 | streuner_ | dpkg, beep |
| 02:52.52 | dpkg | beep is probably echo -ne 'a', or aptitude install beep, or ask me about <bell>, <qotd89>. For the audio player, ask me about <bmp>. For the protocol framework, see http://beepcore.org/ |
| 02:53.25 | streuner_ | dpkg, listkeys beep |
| 02:53.27 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'beep' by key (9): _default shell beep ;; shell beep ;; #debian beep ;; make ferret beep ;; metacity beep bug ;; [beep] ;; _default beep ;; beep ;; bios beep codes. |
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| 02:53.51 | DevinMorin | :Tramp how would those interfaces be listed in ifconfig? |
| 02:54.15 | Tramp | DevinMorin: ifconfig is deprecated since about a decade, iirc |
| 02:54.25 | DevinMorin | :Tramp and why are virtual interfaces phased out |
| 02:54.38 | dadava | I have not yet wheezy, why?? |
| 02:54.40 | streuner_ | arand: /msg dpkg pcspkr |
| 02:54.40 | DevinMorin | :Tramp you be trolling... |
| 02:54.43 | Tramp | because they always were a hack |
| 02:55.07 | DevinMorin | :Tramp ifconfig, depricated... what would replace it xD |
| 02:55.18 | sha_ | ip |
| 02:55.20 | Tramp | DevinMorin: iproute(2) |
| 02:55.35 | Tramp | well, iproute, also called iproute2 |
| 02:55.44 | Tramp | the () notation was misleading |
| 02:55.57 | Cozminsky | DevinMorin: ip [addr|route|...] |
| 02:56.04 | Tramp | DevinMorin: and stop insulting me |
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| 02:56.51 | DevinMorin | Tramp: sorry, its been awhile since ive worked on linux. I just never thought that ifconfig would be deprecated thats all... |
| 02:57.10 | Tramp | ok then. |
| 02:57.20 | DevinMorin | Tramp: is /etc/network/interfaces deprecated as well? |
| 02:57.26 | Tramp | no |
| 02:57.37 | Cozminsky | DevinMorin: ifconfig still works, it's just pretty limited in comparison to iproute |
| 02:58.11 | epeen | Is there an eeprom burner software for squeeze yet (console) ? |
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| 02:58.54 | DevinMorin | Cozminsky: Well then, it looks like im back to square one. Thanks for the help. Are there any other changes I should be aware of? |
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| 02:59.53 | Tramp | I wonder if I live to see the day ifconfig is no longer hardwired into ifup |
| 03:00.17 | arand | streuner_: I did blacklist it just in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf and confirmed that it wasn't loaded on boot, neither was snd-pcsp. the simple balcklist has worked for me in ubuntu and earlier versions of debian (I think), hence I'm a bit at a miss. |
| 03:00.32 | johngalt | just did an apt-get upgrade, now wireless networking does not work at all. modules for atheros seem to be loaded but not finding any access points. where should I be looking for problems? not really sure what to search google for to start. |
| 03:00.39 | trebuchet | Crap. I know non-free is bad, but I was given some Cisco software that allows me to play with packets on their gear(virtual IOS stuff). It is "ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, not stripped" I don't have source, what is a quick/easy way to get this thing running with 32bit compat on my AMD64 port Debian Squeeze box? |
| 03:01.45 | jmarsden | epeen: Maybe eepc24 ? http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/eep24c |
| 03:01.49 | Cozminsky | trebuchet: install ia32libs and hope all the libraries your program link to are part of them? |
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| 03:02.08 | trebuchet | Cozminsky: It (in theory) is possibly that easy? Huh. Let's try. |
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| 03:02.43 | dadava | I have not yet wheezy, why?? |
| 03:02.48 | dadava | I have not yet wheezy, why???? |
| 03:03.19 | trebuchet | why?????????????????!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 03:04.42 | dvs | johngalt: I had to upgrade my kernel to get my atheros to work. |
| 03:04.51 | dvs | and even now it's still shaky |
| 03:05.40 | trebuchet | ath9k? |
| 03:06.23 | t3a | why would you release squeeze on !trollday |
| 03:06.33 | johngalt | it worked before, I think it may have been the new kernel that killed it, but booting to old kernel doesn't work either. yes, ath9k |
| 03:06.58 | streuner_ | t3a: you didnt unterstand HOW releases works |
| 03:07.15 | dvs | trebuchet: yup |
| 03:07.19 | streuner_ | Fix all RC-Bugs, release then |
| 03:07.36 | t3a | delay one day |
| 03:07.40 | t3a | :p |
| 03:07.48 | laidback_01 | anyone in here having trouble installing the latest xen 4.0.1-2 ? |
| 03:07.51 | streuner_ | true too |
| 03:08.12 | laidback_01 | I cannot get it to run because it's not creating the devices for xen in /dev, and there is no /proc/xen directory either. |
| 03:08.12 | trebuchet | !trollday |
| 03:08.18 | trebuchet | t3a: What is trollday |
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| 03:08.30 | streuner_ | every sunday? |
| 03:08.41 | trebuchet | Releases just "happen". Kind of like nocturnal emissions. |
| 03:08.42 | t3a | !sunday |
| 03:08.43 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 03:09.01 | ham5 | troll day is april 5th |
| 03:09.20 | bosyak | I want install software via apt-get. How to find which version will be installed? |
| 03:09.29 | t3a | why not aptitude |
| 03:09.55 | streuner_ | bosyak: -s as option? |
| 03:10.14 | bosyak | t3a, hm... I have no aptitude on my debian :( |
| 03:10.23 | t3a | apt-get update |
| 03:10.25 | t3a | or |
| 03:10.30 | t3a | apt-get aptitude |
| 03:10.40 | t3a | *install aptitude |
| 03:10.45 | dvs | aptitude update? |
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| 03:11.04 | bosyak | t3a, apt-get install aptitude? |
| 03:11.16 | t3a | yes |
| 03:11.31 | bosyak | t3a, it's better then apt-get? |
| 03:11.40 | t3a | yes |
| 03:12.43 | t3a | they're similar, but apt-get is outdated |
| 03:12.54 | bosyak | t3a, ... I want find what version of software aptitude will install. how to check? |
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| 03:13.14 | dvs | bosyak: apt-cache policy <package-name> |
| 03:13.15 | t3a | they both get the file by reading the sources.list file and fetching it |
| 03:13.52 | bosyak | dvs, thanks :) |
| 03:14.14 | dvs | np |
| 03:14.14 | t3a | if you want a full list then nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:14.18 | t3a | nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:14.43 | bosyak | I new question :) I want install maven2 (java) but debian offer old version :( |
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| 03:15.02 | bosyak | ubuntu 10.4 has the new one! |
| 03:15.08 | johngalt | if I see output from iwlist/iwconfig what should that tell me about the problems I'm having with wireless network? |
| 03:15.37 | bosyak | t3a, full list of what? |
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| 03:16.29 | magyar | is there a installer for stable with both 386 and amd64? |
| 03:16.56 | dvs | magyar: www.debian.org |
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| 03:18.42 | magyar | dvs, guess not |
| 03:18.53 | Arrowmaster | multi_arch |
| 03:18.56 | streuner_ | he didnt |
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| 03:19.25 | streuner_ | magyar: just visit the website and look at the right top |
| 03:19.27 | magyar | Arrowmaster: thanks |
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| 03:19.59 | magyar | streuner_: got it, multi_arch |
| 03:20.43 | Arrowmaster | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/ |
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| 03:20.48 | Arrowmaster | looks to only be a netinst |
| 03:21.14 | topgun21 | Is tonight a good night to do a fresh istall of Squeeze and start over? |
| 03:21.24 | Arrowmaster | although its listed under the normal cds and not under the netinst |
| 03:21.41 | babilen | topgun21: it is *the* night to do is. there is no other like this one :) |
| 03:21.42 | JyZyXEL | topgun21: if you have beer |
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| 03:23.32 | jazzdog | hi |
| 03:24.08 | jazzdog | why i can not mount filesystems before the installer tries to scan hard drives for iso? |
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| 03:24.36 | jazzdog | how could I exclude hard drives or devices from that scan? |
| 03:25.01 | topgun21 | what is the difference between kfreebsd and the regular i386 install discs other than the fact that he kernel is based on freebsd. Would that fact brevent me from runnig wine and other programs? |
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| 03:28.43 | topgun21 | What is the dfeerence f\between the two kernels |
| 03:29.24 | trebuchet | Licensing. |
| 03:29.29 | Cozminsky | topgun21: they're quite different, but wine should still work on bsd |
| 03:29.33 | babilen | topgun21: wine is not in kfreebsd-* for squeeze -- experimental has packages for kfreebsd-i386 though, which might migrate to sidâwheezy soon |
| 03:30.33 | Cozminsky | what're peoples thoughts on trinity? |
| 03:30.50 | Cozminsky | will it be adopted in sid? |
| 03:31.07 | topgun21 | babilen: So it is only an experimental releae and probably won't stick around thus making not wrth risking the chance. |
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| 03:31.30 | Arrowmaster | wine hasnt been packaged for debian in a long time due to policy issues |
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| 03:32.01 | Cozminsky | topgun21: it will probably stick around, it might be in experimental simply so that it would not prevent squeeze from being released |
| 03:32.41 | dyek | Hi! I ran out of disk space at (debian package) INSTALL, when building kernel source using 'fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --revision=NouveauKernel.1.0', which corresponds to "debian/rules DEBIAN_REVISION=NouveauKernel.1.0 INITRD=YES". Now that I freed some space to continue, how should I continue with package building as if I hadn't ran into disk space issue? Do I run debian/rules with an appropriate make-target? Or there is another (higher-lev |
| 03:32.41 | dyek | el) command that make-kpkg invokes? |
| 03:32.43 | babilen | topgun21: I would expect those packages to migrate to sid (unstable), wheezy (the next release) and squeeze backports eventually (can't be certain though) |
| 03:32.47 | topgun21 | So I would be bleeding edgeif iadopted kfreebsd now, Would this prevet the prepackaged source and common files for my BCM 4312 wifi card from working properly? |
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| 03:34.02 | Arrowmaster | actually all the wine packages in experimental are just transitional packages and should probably be removed at some point |
| 03:34.26 | babilen | topgun21: You really don't have to (or should) use experimental packages. I just wanted to mention them, because they are *indeed* available and will be evailable outside of experimental. |
| 03:34.27 | Arrowmaster | doesnt look like there is a wine package for kfreebsd at all |
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| 03:34.48 | babilen | Arrowmaster: What is the package in experimental then? |
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| 03:35.04 | Arrowmaster | just a transitional one to wine-unstable |
| 03:35.04 | topgun21 | has ay one had any issues with bcm 4312 based wifi cards not funtioning under kfreebsd or sid? |
| 03:36.07 | jazzdog | how can i skip scanning for iso files and select or mount it manually when installing from an usb stick? |
| 03:36.13 | topgun21 | thanks for the advice babilen |
| 03:36.15 | babilen | Arrowmaster: Ah, thanks for pointing that out. Should have taken a look at the description and not only at rmadison :) |
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| 03:37.00 | babilen | topgun21: I wouldn't use kfreebsd if you plan to install wine |
| 03:37.23 | Arrowmaster | if you plan to install wine you probably arent going to use the debian packages anyway |
| 03:37.34 | Arrowmaster | atleast not for squeeze |
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| 03:37.51 | topgun21 | babilen: is because of the experimental nature of kfreebsd? |
| 03:38.17 | topgun21 | ok then I will wait untill next release? |
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| 03:41.47 | kgarbutt | Hurrrray for Squeeze 6 |
| 03:41.59 | MacGyverNL | First and foremost, congratulations on the release. Second, I've been using the Shorewall package in Lenny from the package maintainer's site directly, and it appears he hasn't got squeeze packages in his personal repository yet. Anyone running shorewall this way and can advice on the best course of action before upgrading to squeeze? |
| 03:42.37 | babilen | topgun21: kfreebsd it not experimental -- it is just that wine is not available for it (from Debian at least) |
| 03:42.56 | Cozminsky | only another 8hours of downloads to upgrade to squeeze |
| 03:43.21 | Blue1 | can you tell me why this ip is banned? 64.255.64.98 |
| 03:44.05 | Blue1 | woo hoo I got 6 |
| 03:44.12 | topgun21 | babilen: I do not mind comiling software from scsources inface\tthatho iplan to get python3 from the get go on my next install f squeeze/ |
| 03:44.30 | cesurasean1 | Already at squeeze. ;0 |
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| 03:44.45 | babilen | topgun21: no need to compile py3 yourself |
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| 03:45.47 | topgun21 | babilen: what about support for software fro the google repositories such as pcassa andchromium? |
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| 03:46.06 | topgun21 | unde squeeze kfreebsd |
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| 03:48.14 | topgun21 | has anyone in this here channel put squeeze inkfrebsd into usein a production. Is squeeze kfreebsdpersay more stable than the regular kernal? |
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| 03:49.10 | babilen | topgun21: http://packages.debian.net â search yourself (chromium-browser is not available, no idea about picasa) |
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| 03:51.26 | teabaghacker | Sorry about the mid discussion nickname change? |
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| 03:51.57 | Blue1 | good night folks. |
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| 03:53.06 | dyek | Anybody knows how to continue an interrupted make-kpkg run from the debian package building stage? |
| 03:53.11 | quuxman | is there an option to ls, or another command that does the same thing but with the full file path? |
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| 03:54.19 | jmarsden | quuxman: find $(pwd) -maxdepth 1 |
| 03:54.26 | jmarsden | Is that what you mean? |
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| 03:55.18 | jazzdog | Feb 6 04:49:48 main-menu[351]: (process:1358): sh: Sex: unknown operand |
| 03:55.45 | jazzdog | any idea what could cause this? (installing squeeze from usb stick) |
| 03:55.46 | jmarsden | Or even find $(pwd) -maxdepth 1 -ls # if you want ls -l style output |
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| 03:56.15 | teabaghacker | From hat i have read so far on Squeeze kfreebsd ther are stll quie alot of inoperable packages? |
| 03:56.47 | doughj3 | What is kfreebsd exactly? |
| 03:57.24 | jmarsden | doughj3: try googling for it and reading the first hit in the list? |
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| 03:57.50 | Arrowmaster | bsd kernel with typical debian/gnu userland instead of the typical bsd userland |
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| 03:58.07 | jazzdog | http://paste.debian.net/106653/ |
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| 04:00.39 | arand | I'm trying to get rid of the shutdown/reboot pcspkr-beep, a normal blacklist.local.conf entry removed it fro normal bash usage but it still voilently blasts as the ssystem is going down, I've tried adding "install pcspkr /bin/true" but that did nothing what I can see, not even disable pcspkr if I left out the blacklisting. |
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| 04:01.03 | opakavic | guys, i'm in lenny 5.08, jus i want to go squeeze, i did replacing lenny as squeeze in sources.list |
| 04:01.04 | quuxman | jmarsden: ah thanks! I will alias that |
| 04:01.06 | opakavic | am i rught |
| 04:01.11 | opakavic | right* |
| 04:01.14 | anigma | you only need the first CD to install the core system of Debian, right? |
| 04:01.30 | doughj3 | Yes. |
| 04:01.44 | opakavic | for me? am i right? |
| 04:01.53 | doughj3 | Was replying to anigma, sorry. |
| 04:02.08 | doughj3 | opakavic: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 04:02.13 | opakavic | oh ;) |
| 04:02.18 | teabaghacker | how can iinstall the kfeebsd veriant of squeeze over the regular squeeze? |
| 04:02.24 | jmarsden | jazzdog: "Found ISO images/winxp-eng01.iso on /dev/sda6" ... so this (lack of Sex) is apparently caused by having a windows ISO instead of a Debian ISO... |
| 04:02.26 | babilen | !tell opakavic -about release notes |
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| 04:03.06 | jmarsden | teabaghacker: Maybe read http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD |
| 04:03.24 | babilen | opakavic: Follow the upgrade instructions in the release notes. The whole process is broken down into basic steps and well explained. The leny->squeeze factoid contains the essence :) |
| 04:03.25 | jazzdog | jmarsden: i have the debian iso on sdg1 but stupid installer founds eveything else (even ubuntu iso) and dies or tries to go on with ubuntu iso... |
| 04:03.46 | jmarsden | jazzdog: So rename the other .iso files to .isx temporarily :) |
| 04:03.52 | jazzdog | no way |
| 04:03.59 | doughj3 | !tell doughj3 -about release notes |
| 04:04.03 | jazzdog | i want a good behaved installer |
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| 04:04.18 | jmarsden | jazzdog: OK, submit patches :) |
| 04:04.34 | jazzdog | I actually would like to see the code that emits the Sex stuff but I'm new to debian |
| 04:04.42 | babilen | teabaghacker: there is no "regular" squeeze ... and you might want to ask in #debian-kbsd on irc.debian.org -- I would think that most people are sleeping now though |
| 04:04.48 | jazzdog | tried to look inside initrd.gz |
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| 04:06.14 | kgarbutt | Running Sequeeze and it is really nice. |
| 04:06.24 | jazzdog | it can't even install :) |
| 04:06.47 | torgrimt | seems to be the same as yesterday, so it ran nice then aswell |
| 04:06.47 | torgrimt | ;) |
| 04:06.53 | kgarbutt | i am sorry to hear that. why don't it install? |
| 04:07.10 | jazzdog | kgarbutt: http://paste.debian.net/106653/ |
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| 04:07.35 | jazzdog | kgarbutt: scanning dies a long way before reaching the correct device |
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| 04:11.19 | debainteebag | wat is the channel for debian kfreebsd? |
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| 04:12.53 | jmarsden | debainteebag: #debian-kbsd BUT on OFTC not here on Freenode. |
| 04:13.00 | babilen | yeah, highlight in #d after the release :) (d-i "Found ISO images/winxp-eng01.iso on /dev/sda6") |
| 04:14.28 | anigma | isn't violate.debian.org updated yet? |
| 04:16.51 | Cozminsky | anigma: someone said before that volatile has been put in squeeze-updates |
| 04:17.24 | jmarsden | was thinking... he wants to *violate* Debian? :) |
| 04:17.35 | anigma | oups, I said violate... heh |
| 04:19.27 | trebuchet | I installed ia32-libs to try to get a software program built for 32bit running on my 64bit debian squeeze. However, it does not include <somelibrary>, what is the method to go from here? |
| 04:19.28 | jazzdog | jmarsden: i guess the error is caused by some other file, so renaming isos would not solve my problem |
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| 04:19.54 | anigma | Cozminsky: has been put in squeeze updates? meaning it's still updating? |
| 04:20.26 | jazzdog | jmarsden: but the guys at #debian-boot on oftc spotted the bug in 10 minutes and filed a patch for it and recommended me to write out an iso to the stick to avoid hdmedia as a workaround |
| 04:21.54 | jmarsden | jazzdog: OK, glad you found a solution that works for you. |
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| 04:24.58 | ZykoticK9 | trebuchet, in Ubuntu there is a script called getlibs that will install 32bit libs on 64bit OS, I have no idea how to do it in Debian. I hope someone answers you so I can learn as well. |
| 04:25.02 | Cozminsky | anigma: meaning the URL for it is now deb http://yourmirror/debian squeeze-updates instead of http://volatile... |
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| 04:25.21 | trebuchet | ZykoticK9: Hmm, thanks. |
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| 04:27.40 | babilen | trebuchet: ia32-libs-* -- which lib do you need? |
| 04:28.17 | trebuchet | babilen: libQtWebKit |
| 04:28.37 | trebuchet | Also, IIRC you have to have an enormous build-system and build a bunch of other crap to get anything specialized out of Qt |
| 04:28.51 | trebuchet | I'm not cross-compiling/thunking down to 32bit |
| 04:28.54 | trebuchet | L:( |
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| 04:35.00 | GEEGEEGEE | I accidently just did chown www-data:www-data /*/*/*/*/*/*/* |
| 04:35.05 | GEEGEEGEE | What shall i do? |
| 04:35.18 | cesurasean1 | Lol |
| 04:35.22 | tharkun | GEEGEEGEE: cry |
| 04:35.29 | GEEGEEGEE | will it break everything? |
| 04:35.57 | tharkun | GEEGEEGEE: no, just everything that is on the 7th level of your directory tree |
| 04:36.00 | tharkun | i think |
| 04:36.12 | Cozminsky | tharkun: I think it will break everything |
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| 04:36.42 | tharkun | Cozminsky: do you have to be so negative. let the man have some hope ;P |
| 04:36.42 | Cozminsky | GEEGEEGEE: stuff will still work, but not everything |
| 04:37.27 | Cozminsky | tharkun: hrm, maybe not because * doesn't match hidden files |
| 04:38.05 | tharkun | Cozminsky: if he didn't use root privilidges nothing happened. But i don't think that is the case |
| 04:38.15 | GEEGEEGEE | I was root when i did it |
| 04:38.41 | tharkun | GEEGEEGEE: ls -l /bin Does everything belong to www-data? |
| 04:38.45 | GEEGEEGEE | Shall i just reimage it? or will it not really matter? |
| 04:38.57 | Cozminsky | I think tharkun might be right, it might be only directories 7 levels deep |
| 04:38.58 | GEEGEEGEE | tharkun, root |
| 04:39.12 | tharkun | GEEGEEGEE: you are ok nothing happened |
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| 04:39.22 | GEEGEEGEE | oh ok, thanks guys. |
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| 04:39.30 | tharkun | But do check your directory tree on the 7th level |
| 04:39.36 | asarch | The fastest mirror in the USA? |
| 04:39.44 | Cozminsky | too late, he's already gone |
| 04:39.55 | Cozminsky | asarch: ftp.us.debian.org? |
| 04:39.57 | tharkun | Too bad for him |
| 04:40.07 | asarch | Thank you Cozminsky |
| 04:40.11 | asarch | Thank you very much :-) |
| 04:40.46 | Cozminsky | there is a program that goes through all the mirrors and finds the one with the best connection too |
| 04:41.24 | Citizen666-1 | wich one |
| 04:41.33 | Cozminsky | apt-spy |
| 04:42.19 | cesurasean1 | Cool |
| 04:43.21 | Cozminsky | but it's static, i.e. it does bandwidth test of the mirrors and writes out a mirror selection in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
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| 04:48.35 | MacGyverNL_ | Hmm. |
| 04:48.40 | MacGyverNL_ | This is not nice. |
| 04:48.55 | MacGyverNL_ | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.32-5-openvz-amd64_2.6.32-30_amd64.deb (--unpack) |
| 04:48.55 | dpkg | macgyvernl_: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 04:49.04 | MacGyverNL_ | Yeah, yeah. |
| 04:49.13 | MacGyverNL_ | is in doubt. |
| 04:49.17 | MacGyverNL_ | Go to bed or fix this. |
| 04:49.32 | tharkun | MacGyverNL_: check that you have enough free space on your / partition |
| 04:49.42 | tharkun | or the /boot one if you have it |
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| 04:50.52 | MacGyverNL_ | Hmm. |
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| 04:51.04 | MacGyverNL_ | Why was I so utterly convinced I had space on root? |
| 04:51.15 | tharkun | Beats me ;P |
| 04:51.17 | MacGyverNL_ | Must be tiredness. |
| 04:51.29 | MacGyverNL_ | Also, what's this about Debian dropping OpenVZ next release? |
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| 04:54.31 | tharkun | MacGyverNL_: try kvm with some newer hw it do works great |
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| 04:55.03 | MacGyverNL_ | tharkun: KVM is on an entire different level of virtualization. |
| 04:55.17 | MacGyverNL_ | The alternative on the same scope is LXC. |
| 04:55.24 | MacGyverNL_ | And LXC is far from the maturity OpenVZ has. |
| 04:55.27 | Cozminsky | http://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization seems to indicate LinuxVserver is going away, not openvz |
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| 04:55.43 | MacGyverNL_ | Cozminsky: In that case, why do the release notes state that OpenVZ is being deprecated? |
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| 04:55.53 | MacGyverNL_ | Section 4.9. |
| 04:56.12 | tharkun | !OpenVZ |
| 04:56.12 | dpkg | OpenVZ provides OS-level <virtualization>, creating isolated and secure virtual private servers on a single physical server. <KMS> is disabled in Debian -openvz kernel image packages since linux-2.6 2.6.32-22 (BTS #585864). Deprecated in Debian (BTS #574529); ask me about <lxc>, <kvm>, <xen>. http://wiki.debian.org/OpenVz http://wiki.openvz.org/Installation_on_Debian http://www.openvz.org/ #openvz on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 04:57.14 | dondelelcaro | MacGyverNL_: because it is being deprecated. maintaining out-of-tree virtualization systems is something we don't have the manpower for |
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| 04:57.34 | ChrisF-- | anybody installed debian on an Intel iMac? |
| 04:57.44 | dondelelcaro | ChrisF--: yes, people have. |
| 04:58.07 | ChrisF-- | does the net install work out of the box or does it take some tinkering? |
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| 04:58.16 | Cozminsky | MacGyverNL_: looks like lxc is the replacement which is equivalent to openvz |
| 04:58.40 | Cozminsky | MacGyverNL_: and that it's because this is in the mainline kernel and openvz is a patch against the kernel |
| 04:58.44 | MacGyverNL_ | Cozminsky: That's what I said. I also said that LXC has a long way to go to reach the maturity level that OpenVZ has. |
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| 04:58.59 | nvz | nvz, on the other hand doesn't require any manpower... heh |
| 04:59.27 | Strife89 | Good evening. I currently have Squeeze RC2 installed on my desktop (this machine, in fact). Should I bother updating to the Squeeze release, and if so, what's a good way to do it? |
| 04:59.28 | MacGyverNL_ | And I understand the difference between maintaining it yourself and having it in-tree, and I can respect that. Doesn't mean I have to like it. |
| 04:59.35 | MacGyverNL_ | Meh. |
| 04:59.46 | MacGyverNL_ | Here's to hoping that LXC will get its act together in the next year. |
| 05:00.03 | Cozminsky | MacGyverNL_: yes, but it it's only deprecated in squeeze, meaning we have until wheezy until it's obsoleted, hopefull lxc will be mature by then |
| 05:00.29 | tharkun | greets mr. abrotman |
| 05:00.47 | abrotman | hibye |
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| 05:01.10 | MacGyverNL_ | Still, what I don't entirely get is, all discussions I can find on the subject specifically state vserver is going away and actually *recommend* switching to OpenVZ. These release notes are the first I see that state that OpenVZ is deprecated as well. |
| 05:01.33 | MacGyverNL_ | It's all a bit confusing on what's true and what's a mistake. |
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| 05:04.51 | tharkun | MacGyverNL_: i don't know the specifics of your case but i believe that either 1) you start building your own packages from source 2) hope OpenVZ has no major bugs and stick with the available packages 3) switch to a different virtualization environment |
| 05:04.58 | DanDare | "basic system" install in Squeeze seems more reasonable than it was on Lenny. With basic system now you got packages as binutils and other basic stuff to compile software etc... (IIRC !) |
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| 05:06.58 | ebegin | What should I use in my /etc/apt/sources.list to get the universe repo for debian lenny ? |
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| 05:07.57 | Cozminsky | ebegin: there is no universe, you probably mean non-free |
| 05:08.02 | SARC | Hello, I have sucessfully integrated debian with active directory lookups, but i am having trouble getting the gid's mapped to a group name. |
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| 05:08.52 | ebegin | Cozminsky, hmmm... i want to install libgraphics-magick-perl |
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| 05:09.06 | ebegin | Cozminsky, version 1.3.5 |
| 05:09.51 | Cozminsky | ebegin: it's in main |
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| 05:10.16 | ebegin | Cozminsky, really... let me check... |
| 05:10.35 | cdahmedeh | greetings !... congratulations on the new debian release ! ... i haven't tested it yet, but i do know for sure that debian is the most stable and secure distro ! keep up the good work |
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| 05:13.31 | Cozminsky | aha, I thought that was rain, but it's actually fireworks |
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| 05:15.24 | SARC | hwo do i fix a problem like this? id: cannot find name for group ID 10001 |
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| 05:16.03 | ebegin | Cozminsky, fireworks? You are probably not in quebec ;) |
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| 05:19.06 | hunterp | the sky turned green and my net went down....anyone else see it?? |
| 05:19.38 | anigma | for some reason enabling wireless from the network-manager icon is not an option anymore after I did the upgrade. |
| 05:19.38 | SARC | ufos? |
| 05:19.59 | hunterp | SARC....maybe...or electrical activity.... |
| 05:20.49 | hunterp | the sky literally went bright green.... |
| 05:20.53 | hunterp | for a full second |
| 05:21.01 | hunterp | maybe it was localized to my street |
| 05:21.06 | hunterp | a street light going out.... |
| 05:21.17 | neoice | I have some packages that are still reporting their version as lenny. there wasnt a version number change between lenny and squeeze, so apt doesnt seem to want to "update" them. |
| 05:21.41 | SARC | is there a way to modify pam_nssldap so that a numerical gid is mapped to an actual group name that matches the users name when they log on the first time |
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| 05:26.04 | ebegin | can I use ubuntu lucid universe package on lenny? |
| 05:26.19 | anigma | for some reason enabling wireless from the network-manager icon is not an option anymore after I did the upgrade. Why is that? |
| 05:27.45 | SARC | i installed debian 5 last night and i see 6 is out today... if i do apt-get upgrade it doesn't pull down anything new... do i need to reinstall the new version or will i be ok to get upgrades? |
| 05:28.25 | jmarsden | !tell SARC about lenny->squeeze |
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| 05:28.42 | BaD_CrC | jigdo ftw |
| 05:29.07 | jmarsden | ebegin: No. Not if you want it to work, anyway. |
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| 05:29.39 | frewsxcv | i did a grub update (i'm running debian testing) and when i rebooted, grub doesn't load anymore |
| 05:29.42 | ebegin | ok, thanks jmarsden |
| 05:30.25 | frewsxcv | i booted into an old arch cd and ran `cfdisk`. i get "FATAL ERROR: bad primary partition 3: partition ends in the final partial cylinder" |
| 05:30.36 | frewsxcv | any idea? |
| 05:30.44 | Ataxian | toss the drive in the trash can =P |
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| 05:31.12 | SARC | jmarsden, dpkg's explanation is not clear |
| 05:31.16 | frewsxcv | Ataxian: i would reformat the whole thing, but i don't want to have to reinstall everything :-( |
| 05:31.20 | sontek | Anyone have experience streaming audio/video to a xbox 360? Trying to figure out the best software to do it :) |
| 05:31.35 | jmarsden | SARC: Which part of it is unclear? |
| 05:31.37 | sontek | I've seen suggestions but most of it seems out of date |
| 05:32.01 | Ataxian | frewsxcv: eh.. a bad partition is a bad partiion.. can't say much more |
| 05:32.18 | frewsxcv | Ataxian: does that mean partition 3 is a bad partition? |
| 05:32.39 | SARC | jmarsdnen: Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. do i remove them or rename them? |
| 05:32.44 | Ataxian | bad drive itself by chance? |
| 05:32.44 | frewsxcv | i can succesfully mount partition 3 |
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| 05:32.55 | frewsxcv | Ataxian: how would i check? it's worked great in the past |
| 05:32.58 | Ataxian | doesnt mean sectors arent corrupted |
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| 05:33.20 | frewsxcv | Ataxian: can't you repair sectors? |
| 05:33.24 | Ataxian | google checkdisk |
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| 05:33.44 | Ataxian | eh ive never had luck trying =p |
| 05:33.46 | frewsxcv | checkdisk is for windows? |
| 05:33.52 | jmarsden | SARC: OK, remove volatile and backports and then in what lines are left, change lenny to squeeze. |
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| 05:34.13 | Ataxian | im sure theres a prompt to do chkdsk for debian |
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| 05:34.38 | frewsxcv | Ataxian: this is not a windows partition. are you talking about fsck and e2fsck? |
| 05:35.14 | Ataxian | like i said frewsxcv: google magic |
| 05:35.19 | SARC | jmarsden: then run the following as a single command? apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev |
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| 05:35.35 | jmarsden | SARC: Yes. |
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| 05:35.51 | Ataxian | lol |
| 05:35.52 | frewsxcv | Ataxian: i have no idea what you're talking about anymore |
| 05:35.58 | Ataxian | google it |
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| 05:36.01 | Ataxian | i dont have the answers |
| 05:36.15 | DanDare | Im not so used to window managers and got stuck. Where to setup which window manager 'startx' brings up ? |
| 05:36.25 | frewsxcv | well does anyone know how to wipe partitions with fdisk? |
| 05:36.26 | DanDare | <-- Squeeze |
| 05:36.42 | DanDare | freespace, removing/deleting partitions ? |
| 05:36.44 | frewsxcv | DanDare: ~/.xinit |
| 05:36.51 | jmarsden | frewsxcv: Try http://ultimatebootcd.com/ if you want free generic hard drive test tools etc. |
| 05:36.55 | DanDare | thanks |
| 05:36.55 | frewsxcv | DanDare: yes |
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| 05:37.10 | bonjoyee | frewsxcv: u mean delete them or rezero them? |
| 05:37.18 | DanDare | freespace, type 'm' for instructions |
| 05:37.20 | frewsxcv | bonjoyee: delete |
| 05:37.28 | DanDare | freespace, right after you start, type 'm' |
| 05:37.31 | frewsxcv | DanDare: my name is frewsxcv for the record |
| 05:37.51 | DanDare | frewsxcv, sorry... TAB traps |
| 05:37.55 | bonjoyee | frewsxcv: do what DanDare said.. |
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| 05:38.06 | frewsxcv | will do |
| 05:38.14 | bonjoyee | frewsxcv: the option to delete a partition is "d"... |
| 05:39.55 | Ataxian | fdisk -d /home =D |
| 05:39.57 | frewsxcv | what is an extended partition? |
| 05:40.04 | Ataxian | im kidding, that means nothing lol |
| 05:40.31 | bonjoyee | frewsxcv: one in which u can create logical partitions... |
| 05:40.42 | jmarsden | frewsxcv: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1k count=1k will write 1M bytes of zeroes at the start of the disk, which will wipe the MBR, partition table, and some of the data following it, if you prefer not to use fdisk. |
| 05:40.44 | jmarsden | frewsxcv: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_partitioning#Extended_partition |
| 05:40.48 | DanDare | frewsxcv, i dont even have a unique .xinit file in hole file system. I first installed xfce4 (thats what i use), and then gnome to take a look. startx just brings xfce4. any clue ? |
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| 05:41.21 | DanDare | frewsxcv: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_partitioning |
| 05:41.21 | frewsxcv | DanDare: sorry, i forgot this is debian not arch. i don't have an answer. sorry to confuse you |
| 05:41.34 | DanDare | frewsxcv, no problem. thanks anyway |
| 05:42.12 | frewsxcv | so logical partitionsn live inside extended partitions? |
| 05:42.52 | bonjoyee | DanDare: look for ~/.dmrc |
| 05:43.20 | frewsxcv | well i think i found the problem. /dev/sda3: end: 59586 --- /dev/sda4 start: 59586 |
| 05:44.46 | frewsxcv | sda3 is ext4 with data, sda4 is extended. this is a problem, correct? |
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| 05:48.03 | DanDare | bonjoyee, dont have .dmrc also |
| 05:48.28 | bonjoyee | DanDare: under your home folder? |
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| 05:48.58 | DanDare | bonjoyee, yeah |
| 05:49.03 | frewsxcv | bonjoyee: i don't have it either |
| 05:49.59 | bonjoyee | DanDare: as far as i understand, you are trying to change the default DE right? |
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| 05:52.09 | quuxman | How do I get a list of alsa device names, that I can pass to mplayer -ao alsa:device=<name> ? |
| 05:53.09 | SARC | when you create a new user account, it creates it with a group of the same name, correct? |
| 05:54.11 | Cozminsky | SARC: by default in debian, yes |
| 05:54.14 | DanDare | bonjoyee, trying to change default window manager 'startx' brings up |
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| 05:57.00 | quuxman | hmm, I'm pretty sure the device I want is hw:1 (or in mplayer hw=1), but I don't hear shit when I play to that device, even though mplayer seems to be working |
| 05:57.33 | bonjoyee | DanDare: create a file .dmrc in you home folder with this content and restart X > http://pastebin.com/kJbTn4ZU |
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| 05:57.38 | quuxman | In fact I know it's the right device, because alsamixer lists it. I also know it works because it works in google chat |
| 05:57.40 | Cozminsky | quuxman: is stuff muted if you look at your mixer? |
| 05:57.52 | DanDare | bonjoyee, nice, thanks. Will try it now |
| 05:58.14 | Cozminsky | quuxman: guess so then |
| 05:58.15 | quuxman | Cozminsky: ah duh |
| 05:59.13 | quuxman | Linux is pretty freaking cool when it works |
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| 05:59.19 | DanDare | bonjoyee, its doesnt go ... |
| 05:59.21 | quuxman | (like you expect it to) |
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| 06:00.00 | Cozminsky | I need faster internet |
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| 06:03.06 | Lewoco | If I do "dig aaaa www.google.com" it returns immediately, but if I do "lynx -dump www.google.com" then wireshark indicates that the aaaa record is not returned (until it times out and tries again). Why does this happen? |
| 06:03.18 | spvensko | hi, can anyone explain why the release of squeeze is so exciting? i don't reall ykeep up with debian but people seem to be really excited about this. |
| 06:03.20 | ZykoticK9 | I'm trying to use a 6.0 Netinstall cd to perform a new installation on an ASUS M3A32-MVP board with an AMD64 CPU. I've tried the 64bit, 32bit and the 32/64 versions all with the same result - it boots from CD, then just hangs at the ISOLINUX 4.02 copyright notice, just prior to the actual installation page. A 5.0.8 cd gets to the install screen. Any suggestions? Or should I just install the old version then upgrade? |
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| 06:07.01 | karlpinc | spvensko: Because debian does not release very often, and it's upstream of many other distros. (And it's Free, and has probably more packages than any other distro, and in general has the "goodness of |
| 06:07.12 | karlpinc | Debian" baked in. ;-) |
| 06:07.14 | SARC | i am having trouble with ldap mapping a gid to group name... it maps the uid correctly but not gid. |
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| 06:07.48 | Cozminsky | SARC: what's you libnss-ldap say about the query for groups? |
| 06:07.57 | karlpinc | SARC: Is /etc/nsswitch configured properly? |
| 06:08.16 | SARC | my libnss-ldap.conf has the following: nss_base_group dc=sarc-wv,dc=com?sub?&(objectCategory=group)(gidnumber |
| 06:08.31 | SARC | my libnss-ldap.conf has the following: nss_base_group dc=sarc-wv,dc=com?sub?&(objectCategory=group)(gidnumber=*) |
| 06:08.39 | samiamiam | Zykotick9: your best bet is to try and find a log, see if you can find the problem, fix it by modifying a option -- if not, it's probably easiest to try and find something that works, like you said another version |
| 06:09.09 | spvensko | karlpinc: ty for the answer |
| 06:09.45 | karlpinc | ZykoticK9: I like the log idea, but it seems like a bootloader problem. Could it possibly have to do with non-free firmware in the core of the system? ?? A bug report might get you an answer. |
| 06:09.59 | SARC | nsswitch has ldap for passwd, group, and shadow |
| 06:10.17 | karlpinc | SARC: It was just a thought. |
| 06:10.36 | karlpinc | ZykoticK9: You could install an absolute minimal lenny and upgrade. :-P |
| 06:10.39 | ZykoticK9 | samiamiam, karlpinc ya a log would be great but keep in mind this is like step 0 of an install, there are no logs yet and no way to access them even if there where... |
| 06:10.56 | SARC | i think there's something wrong with the libnss-ldap.conf i listed above |
| 06:11.07 | ZykoticK9 | karlpinc, looking for old version now, thanks. very disappointing... |
| 06:11.20 | babilen | DanDare: Either create a ~/.xinitrc (and start the desired WM from there) or configure it with "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager" system-wide |
| 06:11.26 | karlpinc | ZykoticK9: File a bug report once you get it installed. |
| 06:11.40 | DanDare | babilen, many thanks. Will do it right now |
| 06:11.42 | babilen | DanDare: I would recommend the first approach to set the desired WM on a per-user basis |
| 06:11.47 | DanDare | ok |
| 06:12.05 | babilen | DanDare: Which window manager do you want to start? |
| 06:12.09 | karlpinc | ZykoticK9: You could try pxebooting. That gives you more control over the bootloader. But if you don't have that already setup then it's probably easiest to upgrade. |
| 06:12.10 | SARC | Cozminsky, did i paste the correct entry you are talking about? |
| 06:12.41 | karlpinc | ZykoticK9: Are you using the multiarch netinstall or one for your arch? |
| 06:13.15 | DanDare | babilen, gnome. I installed xfce4 as first. Now installed gnome to take a look |
| 06:13.27 | DanDare | babilen, sorry. Want to start gnome |
| 06:13.49 | ZykoticK9 | karlpinc, i've tried 32bit 64bit and the multi one |
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| 06:14.13 | Cozminsky | SARC: yes, that's it, what does that query return when you run it? |
| 06:14.35 | babilen | DanDare: And you don't want a graphical login manager? This would enable you to select the desktop environment of your choice quite easily |
| 06:14.42 | ZykoticK9 | does anyone know where to find the 5.0.8 net install for AMD64. Seems the site is all pointing to the 6 version. |
| 06:15.01 | SARC | Cozminsky, getent? it returns : chad.davis:*:10001:10001:Chad W. Davis:/home/chad.davis:/bin/bash |
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| 06:15.59 | Cozminsky | SARC: I mean ldapsearch (objectCategory=group) |
| 06:16.14 | karlpinc | ZykoticK9: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 06:16.22 | ZykoticK9 | karlpinc, thanks |
| 06:17.05 | SARC | Cozminsky: ldapsearch command not found |
| 06:17.13 | karlpinc | ZykoticK9: What about my last question? |
| 06:17.36 | Cozminsky | SARC: if you haven't got ldap-utils installed then use your favourite ldap browser |
| 06:17.37 | babilen | DanDare: hmm? |
| 06:18.54 | ZykoticK9 | karlpinc, the arch question? perhaps i'm not understanding it. I tried the 32, 64 and 32/64bit all x86 or x86_64. Am I misunderstanding? |
| 06:19.08 | babilen | DanDare: Ah, well. You can either: "exec /usr/bin/gnome-session > ~/.xsession" and "startx" OR "aptitude install gdm" "invoke-rc.d gdm start" and select gnome in the graphical login manager. your choice -- if you use gnome, you might actually prefer the second approach. |
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| 06:20.19 | karlpinc | ZykoticK9: Yes, which netinstall image did you try, all of those? |
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| 06:20.40 | SARC | Cozminsky: I installed ldap-utils. Says "ldap_sasl_interactive_bind_s: Can't contact LDAP server (-1)" |
| 06:20.44 | ZykoticK9 | karlpinc, all of them - 3 failures |
| 06:21.01 | SARC | not familiar with ldapsearch |
| 06:21.05 | karlpinc | ZykoticK9: So it's not just the mutiarch image.... |
| 06:21.19 | Cozminsky | SARC: you'll usually want ldapsearch -x |
| 06:21.22 | ZykoticK9 | karlpinc, no - it's all of them. |
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| 06:22.00 | SARC | Cozminsky: ldap_sasl_bind(SIMPLE): Can't contact LDAP server (-1) |
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| 06:22.17 | twanny796 | just installed debian by netinst cd, how do I install cdrecord? |
| 06:22.23 | karlpinc | ZykoticK9: I'm still wondering if it's not something like your cd needing non-free firmware. |
| 06:22.46 | karlpinc | twanny796: aptitude install wodim. cdrecord is obsolete. |
| 06:22.56 | karlpinc | twanny796: See also the debtags package for easy ways to search. |
| 06:23.33 | Cozminsky | SARC: you'll either need to configure /etc/ldap/ldap.conf or put in the host name and basedn and possibly a bind dn unless you allow anonymous bind |
| 06:23.34 | ZykoticK9 | karlpinc, i suppose that possible, but the old version works fine - and every other distro i've installed works fine. It seems limited to just Debian 6.0 cds |
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| 06:23.55 | aiwass | hi, grub2 won't install at the end of debian installation. i have raid 0 2x200 gb. can anyone help me? |
| 06:23.59 | karlpinc | ZykoticK9: 6.0 is where they finished removing non-free firmware. |
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| 06:24.15 | karlpinc | ZykoticK9: If that is the problem it'd be nice to have some sort of diagnostic.... somewhere. |
| 06:24.17 | ZykoticK9 | karlpinc, umm interesting. |
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| 06:24.50 | superlinux | .. so does it mean it's time i have to apt-get update? |
| 06:24.51 | twanny796 | karlpinc: did not understand |
| 06:25.12 | karlpinc | superlinux: ? Follow the release notes to upgrade. |
| 06:25.23 | karlpinc | twanny796: cdrecord is depreciated. Used wodim instead. |
| 06:25.34 | karlpinc | twanny796: It's exactly the same but for the name. |
| 06:25.39 | superlinux | karlpinc, I have moved to squeeze yesterday |
| 06:25.59 | karlpinc | superlinux: Ah. Then, yes. But the mirrors may not be updated yet. |
| 06:26.12 | superlinux | ok |
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| 06:26.34 | superlinux | i am using the USA mirror |
| 06:26.52 | superlinux | i wish there is a Lebanese mirror |
| 06:27.12 | shamrock | how does oneconfigure the login manager theme now with gdm3? The option has vanished from the admin menu. |
| 06:28.12 | karlpinc | superlinux: I'm in the usa and the mirror I use mirrors from Europe, and I find I get the best transfer rates from Germany. Go figure. |
| 06:28.28 | superlinux | ok |
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| 06:29.36 | SARC | Cozminsky: updated /etc/ldap/ldap.conf to match info in /etc/libnss_ldap.conf ... performed ldapsearch, says "In order to perform this operation a successful bind must be completed on the connection" |
| 06:30.19 | Cozminsky | SARC: so you'll want to put in a binddn with the -D option, take the DN from your libnss_ldap.conf too |
| 06:30.24 | karlpinc | SARC: That means you've not given the right credentials on the command line. (I once upon a time used ldapsearch extensively, but my brain has since leaked out.) |
| 06:30.43 | babilen | DanDare: is it working? |
| 06:30.49 | twanny796 | karlpinc: still I cannot find wodim in aptitude |
| 06:31.33 | shamrock | r4 |
| 06:31.38 | karlpinc | ,versions wodim |
| 06:31.39 | judd | Package wodim on i386 -- lenny: 9:1.1.9-1; sid: 9:1.1.11-1; squeeze: 9:1.1.11-1; wheezy: 9:1.1.11-1 |
| 06:31.58 | karlpinc | twanny796: Have you done a "aptitude update"? Is your sources.list file pointing to the net? |
| 06:32.22 | SARC | Cozminsky: in the command line like this? ldapsearch -x -D ADLookup@sarc-wv.com |
| 06:32.29 | DanDare | sorry babilen for the horrid delay. Just realized that it just load GDM after i restarted the machine. |
| 06:32.55 | babilen | DanDare: And that is basically what you want? |
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| 06:33.04 | karlpinc | twanny796: (If you don't install from the netinstall then you're still pointing to the cd for packages.) |
| 06:33.38 | Cozminsky | SARC: yes, but you might want to quote the bind dn, not sure if it will work if it's not in ldap form either |
| 06:34.10 | superlinux | text chat in skype now does not work perfectly. anytime i want to send text, skype gets killed. |
| 06:34.11 | DanDare | babilen, nothing more. Was trying to load by 'startx' before rebooting but now i just have gnome, so im done. thanks for the help |
| 06:34.18 | superlinux | i am on amd64 |
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| 06:34.23 | twanny796 | karlpinc: moment |
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| 06:36.31 | SARC | Cozminsky: ok i got it working using the following: ldapsearch -x -D ADLookup@sarc-wv.com -w mypassword |
| 06:36.44 | SARC | but it returned a lot of information... what am i looking for? |
| 06:36.47 | DanDare | babilen, but it seems ive got a mixed window manager, xfce4 loaded but gnome stuff like gnome terminal. Will just try update-alternatives --config x-window-manager" system-wide |
| 06:37.24 | twanny796 | karlpinc: http://pastebin.com/UFuwALBx |
| 06:37.46 | sedulous | Is the mdadm RAID metadata related to the hard drive's serial number in any way? |
| 06:37.47 | twanny796 | karlpinc: that's the output of aptitude update |
| 06:38.13 | DanDare | babilen, but it just show "metacity" or "xfce4". Is metacity = gnome ? |
| 06:38.18 | karlpinc | twanny796: So now what happens when you type "aptitude install wodim"? |
| 06:38.34 | anigma | could I just download the CD-1.iso and do "cat debian.iso > /dev/usb" then "sync" and install the core system? |
| 06:38.39 | karlpinc | DanDare: metacity is gnome's default window manager. |
| 06:39.01 | DanDare | ok thanks |
| 06:39.27 | karlpinc | anigma: You're probably better off with the netinstall. But yes, I've heard that images can now be directly copied to usb stick for booting. But better read the install guide to be sure because that's just my impression. |
| 06:39.28 | twanny796 | karlpinc: couldn't find any package with that name |
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| 06:39.58 | Action | hello all |
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| 06:40.42 | babilen | DanDare: Yeah, just leave the alternatives at metacity. Good that it is working now. May you have a nice day. |
| 06:41.06 | karlpinc | twanny796: Didn't you say you were running squeeze? (Which is not relevent, but....) |
| 06:41.16 | DanDare | babilen, i think so. Lets hope. Same for you. Thanks |
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| 06:41.47 | karlpinc | twanny796: Let's see the paste for "aptitude install wodim", including the command line. |
| 06:42.03 | twanny796 | karlpinc: running Lenny |
| 06:42.09 | karlpinc | twanny796: Ok. |
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| 06:44.19 | twanny796 | karlpinc: http://pastebin.com/K0nmrzKT |
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| 06:45.18 | Cozminsky | SARC: that's promising, I think you're looking for the gidnumber attribute |
| 06:45.54 | Cozminsky | SARC: it's been a while since I've looked at this stuff, so I might have to install libnss-ldap soon |
| 06:46.19 | karlpinc | twanny796: Humm. Look at lines 13 and 14 of http://pastebin.com/UFuwALBx Try another mirror. |
| 06:46.36 | karlpinc | twanny796: (And don't forget to "aptitude update" after changing your sources.list.) |
| 06:46.41 | twanny796 | karlpinc: how do I change the mirror ;) |
| 06:46.59 | karlpinc | twanny796: You know how to use some text editor? |
| 06:47.08 | twanny796 | karlpinc: yes vi |
| 06:47.54 | SARC | Cozminsky: gidNumber: 10001 |
| 06:48.04 | karlpinc | twanny796: Ok. (Ugh, I'm an emacs man myself.) See http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change the name of the mirror. |
| 06:48.17 | SARC | msSFU30SearchAttributes: gidNumber |
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| 06:48.40 | karlpinc | twanny796: (You can probably also comment out those cd lines, because you'll not really want to get stuff off cd.) |
| 06:48.40 | SARC | msSFU30ResultAttributes: gidNumber |
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| 06:49.04 | SARC | msSFU30MapFilter: (&(objectCategory=group)(gidNumber=*)) |
| 06:49.12 | SARC | does any of this help? |
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| 07:00.41 | Cozminsky | SARC: it's AD right, you might want to look at the section # RFC 2307 (AD) mappings |
| 07:00.54 | SARC | ok |
| 07:01.01 | Cozminsky | SARC: anyway, have to go help prepare dinner |
| 07:01.02 | SARC | yeah its ad in win2k8 r2 |
| 07:01.12 | SARC | thanks for all your help cozminsky |
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| 07:02.52 | karlpinc | SARC: The schemas are on your box. (The rfcs for are plentyful and, while useful, I've found hard to navigate.) |
| 07:07.46 | karlpinc | ZykoticK9: What about following the install guide and installing off of something besides cd? (hard drive or some such?) |
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| 07:15.47 | ZykoticK9 | karlpinc, my MB doesn't support booting from USB which is super crappy. I suppose HD might be possible. I just finished installing the old version and am about to edit the sources list and start upgrading. |
| 07:16.31 | karlpinc | ZykoticK9: Good luck. |
| 07:17.21 | karlpinc | ZykoticK9: (HD would be possible now that you've got an install....) |
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| 07:40.45 | aiwass | can anyone help me installing grub2 after i install debian? i can't install grub2, nor lilo. i have hdd raid 0 an i would really like to install now-stable version squeeze today :) |
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| 07:45.29 | twanny796 | still with the same prob, cannot install anything |
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| 07:48.56 | hyper_ch | hi there, I'm just upgrading from lenny to squeeze and I get stuck phpmyadmin upgrade.... it fails and I just can't get out of that loop |
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| 07:51.49 | Wulf | hyper_ch: I don't know the "correct" way to fix it, but you can put "exit 0" or similar into /var/lib/dpkg/info/phpmyadmin.{pre,post}rm |
| 07:52.16 | hyper_ch | Wulf: I was able to exit the phpmyadmin loop now... will look at it later... thx for the reply |
| 07:52.29 | Wulf | maybe dpkg has a flag which makes it ignore problems in the scripts |
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| 07:57.06 | sedulous | how does mdadm generate the UUID? |
| 07:58.19 | hyper_ch | does mdadm generate uuids? |
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| 07:59.38 | sedulous | hyper_ch: yes, I think so |
| 07:59.59 | sedulous | mdadm --misc -E /dev/foo (where foo is a raid member) |
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| 08:00.46 | hyper_ch | I'm scared of rebooting after the upgrade |
| 08:00.52 | Infra_HDC | oh, I will try dist-upgrade virtually within disk image of host, and if OK, then dist-upgrade host ) |
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| 08:11.14 | twinkie_addict | hi |
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| 08:12.00 | twinkie_addict | Squeeze is very nice |
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| 08:13.29 | KB1JWQ | So Lenny goes EOL in one year from today? |
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| 08:17.08 | twinkie_addict | probbly |
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| 08:19.06 | trebuchet | 1024 limit |
| 08:19.20 | trebuchet | 2^10 |
| 08:19.24 | trebuchet | users |
| 08:19.31 | trebuchet | fat channel is fat |
| 08:19.55 | sedulous | we all exist only in your imagination, trebuchet |
| 08:20.28 | trebuchet | sedulous: Well, can you help my brain from not being so anxious all the time |
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| 08:22.55 | Creatura85 | good morning all/ buna dimineata tuturor |
| 08:23.03 | Creatura85 | can wait for those mirrors to sync :D |
| 08:25.09 | sedulous | has anyone checked the temperatures in hell? http://debian.org got an overhaul :-O |
| 08:25.19 | sedulous | looks nice so far =) |
| 08:25.21 | Infra_HDC | KB1JWQ, russian wikipedia says: end of lenny support is feb 2012 |
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| 08:27.38 | Azoff | hello |
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| 08:28.42 | Azoff | Good work with Squeeze! I've såpted a small typo in the Swedish release notes; At the bottom of this page, there's an XML tag visisble to the user: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/release-notes/index.sv.html |
| 08:28.46 | trebuchet | !pam |
| 08:28.46 | dpkg | it has been said that pam is the Pluggable Authentication Modules. Check http://www.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/ for more information. Linux-PAM SysAdmin's Guide is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/Linux-PAM_SAG.html . PAM Always Malfunctions |
| 08:29.03 | trebuchet | !MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE |
| 08:29.03 | dpkg | mit-magic-cookie is a key that a client application is required to possess in order to use your X11 display. Running xhost + removes this requirement which is why you should never use <xhost>. The xauth utility is in the xauth package (formerly xbase-clients) and is used to manipulate the mit-magic-cookie; ask me about <mit-magic-cookie export>. For other, easier ways of running apps as another user, ask me about <root x>. |
| 08:29.06 | trebuchet | holy shit |
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| 08:30.18 | Creatura85 | what`s the problem trebuchet |
| 08:30.18 | Creatura85 | ? |
| 08:30.31 | trebuchet | dpkg knows like, everything man |
| 08:30.32 | dpkg | trebuchet: wish i knew |
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| 08:31.28 | cahoot | !tell Azoff about bts |
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| 08:31.57 | Azoff | cahoot: so you thinks it's worth creating a bug for that typo? |
| 08:32.28 | buntunub | yay for squeeze release congratz all |
| 08:32.31 | cahoot | Azoff: I doubt mentioning it here will do much for any change |
| 08:32.36 | trebuchet | Azoff: I got a bug fixed in some GNU software because it was called "linux" not "GNU+Linux". |
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| 08:33.44 | Azoff | cahoot: Ok. |
| 08:33.48 | buntunub | I installed squeeze kde 3 days ago << couldnt wait :P |
| 08:34.10 | cahoot | Azoff: actually there's a contach passus on the page |
| 08:34.26 | cahoot | http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 08:35.31 | Creatura85 | buntunub: i have squeeze installed from 10.01.2011 |
| 08:35.33 | Creatura85 | :P |
| 08:35.37 | Creatura85 | works fine |
| 08:35.47 | Creatura85 | waiting for things to settle in testing as well |
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| 08:41.15 | delby | hi. should i be using jigdo? on the main jigdo website http://atterer.org/jigdo/ it says development has stopped. |
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| 08:41.44 | NoOova | hi all. what mean -@ |
| 08:41.46 | NoOova | ? |
| 08:41.49 | NoOova | why on cat content.xml|zip -q 1.zip -@content.xml |
| 08:41.55 | NoOova | system ask my password |
| 08:42.19 | NoOova | - is stdin, as i know |
| 08:42.24 | Creatura85 | delby: if it`s stable use it, if not use a mirror or a bittorrent client |
| 08:42.46 | hyper_ch | I have a weird thing.... I can't connect to a lot of sites: https://www.pastee.org/z4wp4 |
| 08:43.11 | delby | Creatura85: thanks |
| 08:43.14 | hyper_ch | but I can ping them just fine |
| 08:44.49 | epeen | Hyper_ch, why use a site with SSL? |
| 08:45.22 | epeen | I had to hit 'OK' like 12 times. |
| 08:45.43 | KB1JWQ | Pro tip, it works better when upgrading Lenny to Squeeze when you're using a mirror that's received the updates. :-p |
| 08:46.51 | hyper_ch | epeen: what ssl? |
| 08:47.27 | hyper_ch | epeen: where do you see ssl? |
| 08:47.37 | epeen | Hyper_ch, that site you linked wouldn't let me pass normally, it insisted on an SSL connection with an unsigned certificate. |
| 08:47.58 | hyper_ch | epeen: ah, the pastebin site..... |
| 08:48.10 | hyper_ch | epeen: a plugin in my browser that auto-selects ssl if available |
| 08:48.13 | epeen | What else have you linked? |
| 08:48.21 | hyper_ch | epeen: ???? |
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| 08:48.32 | hyper_ch | epeen: it's a pastebin of problems with connection with apt |
| 08:48.47 | epeen | So i saw. |
| 08:49.01 | cahoot | hyper_ch: debian mirrors busy updating? |
| 08:49.10 | hyper_ch | cahoot: I can ping them just fine |
| 08:49.25 | hyper_ch | and before I upgraded they worked fine... now after upgrade they all fail |
| 08:49.52 | epeen | Hyper_ch, recheck your repo list. |
| 08:49.59 | cahoot | checked your sources |
| 08:49.59 | epeen | Looks like there's a bad link. |
| 08:50.16 | epeen | (there's a space in the link where there shouldn't be) |
| 08:50.47 | hyper_ch | epeen: where? |
| 08:51.33 | hyper_ch | deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 08:51.35 | epeen | 3 Err http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ stable/main Translation-en |
| 08:51.37 | hyper_ch | that one is fine |
| 08:52.04 | epeen | stable/main should be part of the url as far as i know. |
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| 08:52.32 | hyper_ch | epeen: check your sources.list... it's not |
| 08:53.37 | Cozminsky | 3 hours 30 minutes left on my download |
| 08:54.48 | hyper_ch | epeen: when I call http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ in my browser here, it works.... when I lynx it from my server, it doesnt |
| 08:55.15 | hid3 | so the lynx is broken? |
| 08:55.37 | hyper_ch | hid3: no, I can't apt-get update the file.... |
| 08:55.43 | cahoot | hyper_ch: empty lynx's cache? |
| 08:55.47 | hyper_ch | hid3: I can however ping it just fine |
| 08:56.00 | hid3 | it IS just fine |
| 08:56.06 | Creatura85 | hyper_ch: "squeeze released (YAY! mirrors will take time to update) " |
| 08:56.11 | hid3 | I'm rsyncing the debian-cd/'s at the moment from there |
| 08:56.13 | hyper_ch | Creatura85: it's not that |
| 08:56.19 | Creatura85 | wait untill mirrors are synced |
| 08:56.20 | Creatura85 | :) |
| 08:56.27 | hyper_ch | hid3: when why do I get that result when updating https://www.pastee.org/z4wp4 ? |
| 08:56.52 | cahoot | hyper_ch: bogus data left in lynx's cache? |
| 08:56.52 | hyper_ch | Creatura85: I already updated to squeeze and since then I can't reach the apt repository servers anymore |
| 08:56.57 | hyper_ch | cahoot: forget about lynx |
| 08:57.24 | cahoot | hyper_ch: you pulled it into discussion |
| 08:57.42 | hyper_ch | cahoot: but it's not a lynx problem but a general problem with the update |
| 08:57.42 | Creatura85 | hyper_ch: http://www.google.ro/search?hl=&q=connect+%28111%3A+Connection+refused%29&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B7GGLL_enRO414RO414&ie=UTF-8 |
| 08:57.55 | Creatura85 | first link |
| 08:58.10 | Creatura85 | same issue the problem where in the sources.list file |
| 08:58.18 | hid3 | hyper_ch: show your apt sources.list file |
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| 08:59.06 | hyper_ch | hid3: https://www.pastee.org/jbp55 |
| 09:00.06 | hid3 | Strange, it looks okay |
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| 09:00.26 | Creatura85 | yes |
| 09:00.39 | Creatura85 | hyper_ch: i can give you mine but it is a bit different |
| 09:00.39 | hyper_ch | hid3: before I upgrade to squeeze, it worked... after I upgraded it doesn't anymore |
| 09:00.40 | Creatura85 | :P |
| 09:00.52 | hid3 | maybe try another mirror and see if the problem still exists? |
| 09:01.10 | hyper_ch | hid3: I can ping the mirror just fine |
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| 09:01.27 | hyper_ch | hid3: when I call the mirror in my browser from home it works just fine |
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| 09:02.32 | hid3 | yeah, but you have a problem... |
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| 09:03.26 | hyper_ch | I know... that's why |
| 09:03.27 | hyper_ch | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:03.29 | hyper_ch | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:03.33 | hyper_ch | sorry, wrong window |
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| 09:04.15 | Creatura85 | a network problem |
| 09:04.16 | Creatura85 | maybe |
| 09:04.56 | cahoot | hyper_ch: change stable to squeeze? |
| 09:05.12 | hyper_ch | Creatura85: with a network problem I couldn't ping it |
| 09:05.32 | hyper_ch | cahoot: I can try thta |
| 09:05.39 | Creatura85 | have you read the first link from my google search |
| 09:05.39 | Creatura85 | ? |
| 09:06.31 | hyper_ch | Creatura85: yes, doesn't help because that one couldn't even ping google.com |
| 09:06.40 | Creatura85 | i see |
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| 09:06.48 | Creatura85 | what country are you from ? |
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| 09:07.15 | hyper_ch | Creatura85: switzerland |
| 09:07.23 | hyper_ch | but server's in germany |
| 09:07.37 | Creatura85 | try mirrors from ND |
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| 09:08.12 | twinkie_addict | im in us useing ibilo server |
| 09:08.37 | Creatura85 | i use a romanian mirror but i can use mirrors from usa , DE, ND or even HU with no problems |
| 09:08.55 | cahoot | nd? nl? |
| 09:09.13 | Creatura85 | i got somewhere between 1mb and 8mb |
| 09:09.20 | Creatura85 | per second |
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| 09:10.05 | twinkie_addict | nice |
| 09:10.21 | Creatura85 | cahoot: nd= nederlands |
| 09:10.21 | Creatura85 | :) |
| 09:10.31 | Creatura85 | i dont know about nl |
| 09:10.39 | cahoot | !nl |
| 09:10.40 | dpkg | Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl. |
| 09:11.01 | Creatura85 | oh |
| 09:11.04 | Creatura85 | my bad then |
| 09:11.07 | Creatura85 | nl :) |
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| 09:13.50 | Creatura85 | hyper_ch: here is my sources.list and preferences file if it helps you: http://creation.no-ip.org/downloads/mydebian/ |
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| 09:15.33 | Creatura85 | just replace ro with another country symbol |
| 09:15.58 | Creatura85 | and put squeeze instead of testing and delete the sid repo |
| 09:16.00 | Creatura85 | :) |
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| 09:20.16 | twinkie_addict | i nearly had a haert attack when i saw debian had a new stable version lol |
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| 09:20.44 | twinkie_addict | it was like 2 years ago when i ran lenny |
| 09:21.59 | HackeMate | chance to fsck a ntfs partition? |
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| 09:22.22 | twinkie_addict | not here |
| 09:22.36 | nsadmin | hole's hard to find |
| 09:22.48 | twinkie_addict | lol |
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| 09:23.04 | robokop | nsadmin: no sex talk in here please |
| 09:24.15 | nsadmin | first... I said nothing sexual... second, there is not channel rule against it |
| 09:24.32 | sontek | anyone know of a good upnp client? |
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| 09:24.35 | sontek | not server |
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| 09:24.53 | nsadmin | you would have to REALLY stretch to claim that had anything to do with sex |
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| 09:25.55 | cahoot | and be really starved |
| 09:26.28 | Cozminsky | is robokop even human? |
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| 09:26.37 | robokop | nope |
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| 09:29.52 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 09:30.29 | streuner_ | maybe his first name is Clark ;-) |
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| 09:31.21 | robokop | nope Klark, that is why it is robokop and not robocop |
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| 09:33.26 | Tempore | Hay, quick Samba-related question; I've just set up a Samba PDC using OpenLDAP as a backend. For some reason, it's requiring users to change their password upon first login, but then telling them that they don't have permission to change their password. Any ideas? |
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| 09:35.31 | streuner_ | #samba 119 Got questions? See http://www.samba.org/samba/irc.html READ IT! This is the place to ask all questions about samba. (#samba-technical is ONLY for development questions.) Are you still using the Samba 2.x or 3.0 series? Why? Upgrade to at least 3.5, which has been out since March 2010. | Unable to speak? Register your nick with nickserv. |
| 09:36.08 | Tempore | steuner_: already did; no response |
| 09:36.16 | Tempore | streuner_: already did; no response |
| 09:36.18 | streuner_ | so have some patience |
| 09:36.39 | streuner_ | its early in europe and late over the sea... |
| 09:37.02 | robokop | and it is lazy sunday |
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| 09:42.30 | teclo- | Hi there, I know 6.0 is released, that's great :) but I've put "squeeze" in /etc/apt/sources.list everywhere like 2 years go, and this morning I see like 345 packages to be upgraded... is this normal... ? will I still be running squeeze when I will have upgraded ? |
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| 09:43.01 | robokop | teclo-: you sure you have squeeze and not testing there? |
| 09:43.09 | robokop | and how long have you not upgraded? |
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| 09:43.19 | teclo- | robokop: I'm pretty sure but I'll check |
| 09:43.27 | teclo- | robokop: like, four days ago |
| 09:44.03 | teclo- | ah wait, damn it, now I know |
| 09:44.08 | Creatura85 | :) |
| 09:44.11 | teclo- | it's not in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:44.41 | teclo- | it's in /etc/apt/apt.conf, I've been told to put testing in there, I guess I jsut need to replace testing with squeeze ? |
| 09:44.57 | robokop | yes |
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| 09:45.30 | teclo- | ok thanks a lot robokop :) |
| 09:45.43 | teclo- | writes down: next time, grep -i testing /etc/apt/* |
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| 09:46.25 | bashext | has volatile changed for squeeze ? |
| 09:46.49 | pyrohotdog | Hi, fresh installation of Squeeze up and running, but I run apt-get update and I get "Failed to exec method" and Method has died unexpectedly! |
| 09:47.03 | pyrohotdog | Sub-process returned error code (100) |
| 09:47.03 | bashext | I masive changed my sources.list, but volatile.d.o gives me 404 |
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| 09:47.44 | bashext | pyrohotdog, is the date/time ok ? |
| 09:47.53 | pyrohotdog | bashext: YEs |
| 09:48.07 | twinkie_addict | works for me |
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| 09:48.34 | twinkie_addict | both apt-get and aptitude update work |
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| 09:48.51 | twinkie_addict | aand im on a fresh install of squeeze too |
| 09:49.00 | pyrohotdog | Neither works for me |
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| 09:49.19 | twinkie_addict | what mirror did you pick ? |
| 09:49.26 | streuner_ | well, on another machine packages could be very different |
| 09:49.31 | twinkie_addict | the ibilo one is working for me |
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| 09:49.48 | pyrohotdog | I did not have network available on install |
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| 09:50.01 | streuner_ | pyrohotdog: please pastebin the command and the whole error |
| 09:50.22 | twinkie_addict | i had network on install even wifi |
| 09:50.24 | streuner_ | pyrohotdog: wireless? |
| 09:50.48 | twinkie_addict | with encrition |
| 09:50.55 | pyrohotdog | pastebin.com/JnQdc4HE |
| 09:51.07 | pyrohotdog | Yes, wireless |
| 09:51.21 | pyrohotdog | Jump drived the rt73usb firmware over |
| 09:51.34 | pyrohotdog | Network works fine |
| 09:51.49 | delby | hi. i am running gnome on squeeze. is there a way to make epiphany show the open new tab + sign like in iceweasel? |
| 09:52.08 | JyZyXEL | does netinst have a graphical installer or ncurses based one? |
| 09:52.20 | streuner_ | sure, it has a gui |
| 09:52.22 | twinkie_addict | netinst has both |
| 09:52.27 | nvz | delby: close epiphany, open iceweasel. ;) |
| 09:52.29 | JyZyXEL | awesomeness |
| 09:53.07 | delby | nvz: i find iceweasel slower then epiphany |
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| 09:53.16 | Creatura85 | use chromium |
| 09:53.25 | streuner_ | pyrohotdog: please pastebin your sources.list too |
| 09:53.27 | twinkie_addict | install opera ") |
| 09:53.29 | nvz | delby: true, google chrome is better in that respect |
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| 09:54.12 | delby | nvz: not a fan of chrome/chromium |
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| 09:54.31 | in2tactics | 64bit chrome... nice but doesn't seem much different than 32bit in performance arena |
| 09:54.40 | twinkie_addict | opera |
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| 09:54.42 | pyrohotdog | pastebin.com/6zgrs4cg |
| 09:54.50 | nvz | delby: in Soviet Russia, chrome is not a fan of YOU! |
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| 09:55.32 | cahoot | nvz: newsflash soviet russia is no more |
| 09:55.34 | streuner_ | pyrohotdog: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 09:55.55 | nvz | cahoot: yeah well debstats says otherwise |
| 09:56.52 | simplechat | Hey guys, i'm wondering what the process is to get software produced into the debian repositories? Is there a form to fill out/somebody to talk to/etc? |
| 09:56.58 | cahoot | debstats dont exist - no? |
| 09:57.48 | bashext | simplechat, produced = packaged ? try #mentors on irc.debian.org |
| 09:57.57 | simplechat | produced and packaged |
| 09:57.59 | simplechat | ok, thank you |
| 09:58.05 | pyrohotdog | Uh...okay..? |
| 09:58.52 | streuner_ | pyrohotdog: there is a line for squeeze missing, you cannot expect much for security now... |
| 09:59.04 | simplechat | bashext, is irc.debian.org working? I'm getting Connection failed. Error: Connection refused |
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| 09:59.28 | simplechat | actually, network issue on my end. sorry |
| 09:59.28 | bashext | i'm not conected, don't know |
| 09:59.43 | pyrohotdog | Okay well what can I do to get it up and running? |
| 09:59.53 | bashext | ssl (telnet irc.debian.org 7000) works |
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| 10:01.07 | pyrohotdog | Oooooooh got it |
| 10:01.34 | pyrohotdog | Thanks guys |
| 10:01.39 | bashext | at 93% of squeezeing the home firewall |
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| 10:03.09 | bashext | grub, features, legacy, choose a car, choose a boot loader, choose a life |
| 10:03.45 | streuner_ | pyrohotdog: also /msg dpkg squeeze volatile |
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| 10:05.26 | bashext | ouch, sysstat backward incompatible changes.... I can delete the files, or keep them (incompatible format with the program) arf... |
| 10:06.22 | pyrohotdog | streuner_: Thank you for your help and advice. =-] |
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| 10:06.45 | streuner_ | np |
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| 10:12.31 | bashext | I wish enterprise upgrades where so beatiful |
| 10:12.39 | bashext | congrats Debian folks! |
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| 10:13.31 | jelly-home | 80% of Linux enterprise OS where I work _is_ Debian |
| 10:13.45 | bashext | this lenny=> squeeze seems Debian on Rails |
| 10:13.50 | [SkG] | any bugtracker for website? I have a problem with language selection... |
| 10:14.12 | bashext | jelly-home, me too, but I suffer "enterprise upgrades" of other environments |
| 10:14.44 | bashext | [SkG], there is a button at bottom of front page for that if i have see ok |
| 10:15.38 | [SkG] | yes but that is for layout problems |
| 10:15.44 | [SkG] | and is not the case |
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| 10:16.28 | [SkG] | oh well there is an email too |
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| 10:17.43 | matthiaskrgr_ | hi there |
| 10:17.59 | matthiaskrgr_ | just wanted to give you a big thanks and congratulations! |
| 10:18.09 | matthiaskrgr_ | will update to 6.0 as soon as possible :D |
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| 10:18.49 | matthiaskrgr_ | the new website looks nice, too :) |
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| 10:21.37 | twinkie_addict | yeh the new website looks great |
| 10:21.51 | twinkie_addict | and 6.0 is too |
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| 10:24.02 | MaDSeN | 2011-02-06 11:38:45 (7,42 MB/s) - `debian-6.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso' saved |
| 10:24.05 | MaDSeN | :-) |
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| 10:33.35 | couannette | squeeze released: congratulations ! |
| 10:33.54 | JetBoy | how can I make "apt-get dist-upgrade" not stop on errors and continue updating other packages (like emerge --keep-going in Gentoo)? |
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| 10:34.18 | babilen | [SkG]: "reportbug www.debian.org" to report against the appropriate pseudo-package -- See http://www.debian.org/Bugs/pseudo-packages |
| 10:34.46 | MoDaX | JetBoy: just rerun it after failure |
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| 10:35.55 | JetBoy | MoDaX, no, it wants to restart pymsnt, and pymsnt won't start because of some stupid deprecated Python call |
| 10:36.14 | mongrol | hey folks |
| 10:36.14 | babilen | JetBoy: What are you doing? Could you paste the output of that apt-get run along with your sources.list to http://paste.debian.net |
| 10:36.19 | babilen | mongrol: cheers |
| 10:36.33 | mongrol | I've found a fairly obvious bug |
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| 10:36.38 | babilen | hmm? |
| 10:37.01 | mongrol | network-manager by default doesn't manage wifi conections in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:37.12 | mongrol | then evolution thinks its not online so won't sync IMAP accounts |
| 10:37.46 | JetBoy | babilen, here: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/332989/ |
| 10:37.55 | valdyn | mongrol: why is that a bug? |
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| 10:38.36 | mongrol | evolution thinks its offline but its not |
| 10:38.46 | valdyn | mongrol: its a gnome feature, as annoying as that might be - im not sure it should qualify as a bug |
| 10:39.22 | mongrol | yes, technically its not a bug |
| 10:39.47 | JetBoy | babilen, I wanted to remove PyMSNt because I don't need it, but get the same error |
| 10:40.12 | hyper_ch | how do you force-reinstall the config files of packages? |
| 10:41.03 | babilen | !tell hyper_ch -about confmiss |
| 10:41.17 | babilen | JetBoy: One second please |
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| 10:45.06 | valdyn | mongrol: just remove nm, that seems to be the sanest solution right now |
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| 10:48.25 | babilen | JetBoy: Can you manually stop pymsnt? (invoke-pc.d pymsnt) Is it running? (pgrep pymsnt) Do you have /var/run/pymsnt*/* ? |
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| 10:49.46 | JetBoy | babilen, stopping says "Stopping MSN transport for Jabber: No python found running; none killed." and I have the dir with no files inside |
| 10:50.13 | babilen | Is it running? |
| 10:50.18 | JetBoy | no |
| 10:50.46 | JetBoy | it crashes after starting (and ejabberd crashes too, but I don't know the reason yet) |
| 10:50.58 | |switch| | congratulations on the release of squeeze, good job! |
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| 10:52.18 | openport1096 | Sorry if this has been asked lots already: squeeze/volatile's giving 404 errors for me. debian.org/volatile suggests: "deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile squeeze/volatile main contrib non-free" |
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| 10:52.57 | ginet | hi what is the full size of the achive.debian.org mirror? i only have 340gb available |
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| 10:53.47 | hyper_ch | I found the problem with apt-get update... as soon as I have bind9 running, it failes to connect to the repositories |
| 10:53.56 | babilen | Ok. It looks as if the installation is somehow broken. Do you have a /var/lib/dpkg/info/pymsnt.prerm ? |
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| 10:54.27 | JetBoy | babilen, yes, I do |
| 10:54.33 | matthias__ | I have a problem with deinstalling a package |
| 10:54.41 | babilen | JetBoy: May I have a look at that file please? |
| 10:55.02 | matthias__ | dpkg: error processing pidgin-ppa (--purge): subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 2 |
| 10:55.03 | dpkg | matthias__: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 10:55.29 | babilen | matthias__: that is not a Debian package |
| 10:55.35 | JetBoy | babilen, it's here http://paste.pocoo.org/show/332993/ |
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| 10:56.05 | matthias__ | http://pastebin.com/UQYF81Kg |
| 10:57.04 | babilen | JetBoy: You could comment line 4-10 and run it again. Although there *is* something wrong with your installation. (the errors concerning python and twisted don't look good) |
| 10:57.27 | matthias__ | -P --force doesn't work either |
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| 10:58.52 | babilen | matthias__: That is a broken .deb of unknown origin -- You have to edit the pre/postrm scripts. (And I would take a look at what it has done in its pre/postinst scripts too) |
| 10:59.43 | matthias__ | babilen: where can I find these scipts? |
| 10:59.58 | babilen | JetBoy: when those lines are commented try to remove pymsnt with "aptitude purge pymsnt" (assuming you don't care about the configuration files, remove otherwise) |
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| 11:02.46 | babilen | matthias__: well, the scripts are in /var/lib/dpkg/info/pidgin-ppa.* -- but you might need help understanding them, or? |
| 11:03.05 | babilen | matthias__: Where do you have that .deb from? |
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| 11:03.15 | babilen | matthias__: some random ppa? |
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| 11:04.36 | matthias__ | babilen: probably from http://www.pidgin.im/download/ubuntu/ |
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| 11:06.05 | babilen | matthias__: Are you using ubuntu? |
| 11:06.10 | matthias__ | no, debian |
| 11:06.44 | matthias__ | but I think I once started to use the ubuntu pidgin because the debian one wasn't working anymore because it was too outdate or so |
| 11:06.44 | simonrvn | i imagine NEW is gonna get pushed eventually |
| 11:07.49 | simonrvn | you would have been better off with a backport pidgin (if it's there) |
| 11:07.54 | babilen | matthias__: there are much better options than installing third-party .debs designed for a different distribution |
| 11:07.58 | simonrvn | ,info pidgin |
| 11:07.59 | judd | Package pidgin (net, optional) in squeeze/i386: graphical multi-protocol instant messaging client for X. Version: 2.7.3-1+squeeze1; Size: 706.3k; Installed: 2060k; Homepage: http://www.pidgin.im; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/pidgin |
| 11:08.14 | simonrvn | ,version pidgin |
| 11:08.21 | simonrvn | ,versions pidgin |
| 11:08.22 | judd | Package pidgin on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-backports: 2.7.3-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.7.3-1+squeeze1; wheezy: 2.7.3-1+squeeze1; sid: 2.7.9-2 |
| 11:08.27 | matthias__ | hmm, will deleting pidgin-ppa.* and the files listed in pidgin-ppa.list fix the problem? |
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| 11:08.39 | babilen | matthias__: no |
| 11:08.49 | simonrvn | ah well, see, the bdo one would have been better ;) |
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| 11:10.09 | piranha | hi all. I'm going to upgrade my lenny to squeeze, but dist-upgrade says that apache2 will be installed package. I don't have it on server right now and I don't need it. Is there any possibility to determine why it tries to install apache2? |
| 11:10.10 | [SkG] | uhm... are this images (http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/) installing wheezy? |
| 11:10.46 | valdyn | piranha: try "aptitude why" |
| 11:11.12 | piranha | ah |
| 11:11.18 | piranha | valdyn: thank you, this explains a bit :) |
| 11:11.29 | babilen | matthias__: I would ask in #pidgin how to remove that .deb -- My idea of the problem is this: 1. The deb automatically configured the PPA when it is installed along with the GPG key (may I have a look at your sources list?) They try to reverse that setup when you remove the package, but fail. Their scripts might be faulty or whatnot -- I would ask them, they wrote it. |
| 11:11.34 | piranha | suggestions/recommendations... |
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| 11:12.33 | matthias__ | ok, thanks! I'll ask #pidgin |
| 11:12.54 | babilen | [SkG]: Yes, but you shouldn't download the dailies -- A brand-new set of stable CDs has been created last night. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 11:13.18 | babilen | JetBoy: any progress? |
| 11:13.24 | [SkG] | well babilen I'm looking for testing branch ;) |
| 11:13.28 | [SkG] | not stable one |
| 11:13.38 | babilen | [SkG]: It is the same |
| 11:13.41 | JetBoy | babilen, yes, I'm reviewing the configs |
| 11:13.52 | JetBoy | upgraded fully now |
| 11:13.53 | babilen | JetBoy: Ah, carry on |
| 11:14.28 | babilen | JetBoy: upgraded fully now? what do you mean? the pymsnt problem is solved? |
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| 11:15.11 | JetBoy | yes, and it starts now (after some python packages updates were done, it seems) |
| 11:15.30 | babilen | JetBoy: Ain't that wonderful? |
| 11:15.37 | JetBoy | yes, thank you |
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| 11:16.19 | babilen | JetBoy: Just make sure you revert your edit (if those lines are still commented -- the file might have been replaced) |
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| 11:16.53 | babilen | still wonders how that happened though |
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| 11:20.43 | HoldenC | "In addition to the regular installation media, Debian GNU/Linux may also be directly used without prior installation. The special images used, known as live images, are available for CDs, USB sticks and netboot setups. Initially, these are provided for the amd64 and i386 architectures only. It is also possible to use these live images to install Debian GNU/Linux." Where can I get the live image? Is it the same as i386-CD-1? |
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| 11:22.31 | themill | no, the live image is a different image and is still being prepared |
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| 11:23.35 | ipnoz | Hi, what can be the problem when GRUB freeze? I've installed Squeeze and GRUB2 freeze ( it's prompt GRUB, nothing else, I need to shutdown the PC manually ). I've reinstalled Lenny, with GRUB 0.97 , no problem... |
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| 11:24.24 | twinkie_addict | odd im not having any issue with squeeze |
| 11:24.37 | HoldenC | themill: thanks :) I'll wait then. |
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| 11:25.30 | twinkie_addict | did you do a clean install of sqeeze or did you upgrade to it |
| 11:25.32 | stew | I think we're currently expecting live images on monday |
| 11:26.12 | Cain | temp1 is 61 C (http://pastebin.com/ukPQzaA3) do i have to worry ? |
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| 11:27.37 | streuner_ | in hades? no! |
| 11:27.52 | streuner_ | Cain: well, 61 C. isnt much |
| 11:27.56 | Cain | streuner_ : what a 'dangerous temperature' ? |
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| 11:28.28 | streuner_ | depends on the specs.... |
| 11:28.57 | streuner_ | look at the spezifications of your CPU/Mobo |
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| 11:29.43 | Cain | streuner_ : ok (it's an IBM Thinkcentre with P4 2.66GHz) |
| 11:30.03 | Bushmills | ipnoz: on a netbook? |
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| 11:30.52 | ipnoz | Bushmills: no on a regular PC |
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| 11:31.07 | twinkie_addict | night all |
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| 11:32.36 | Bushmills | ipnoz: have you tried powercycling the pc, rather than just rebooting it? |
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| 11:37.09 | ipnoz | Bushmills: I didnt try, but it doesn't looks like a materiel problem. Or maybe just the disk where squeeze is installed. |
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| 11:40.42 | icedtea | what version of xorg is debian experimental on? |
| 11:41.05 | sy | can i run a microsoft msi file with debian ? |
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| 11:41.14 | MaDSeN | rofl |
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| 11:41.40 | EmleyMoor | sy: If it's an application rather than a driver, wine may help... |
| 11:42.14 | EmleyMoor | looks at the new-style www.debian.org |
| 11:42.27 | MaDSeN | its nice aye |
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| 11:42.35 | MaDSeN | I like it |
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| 11:42.48 | sy | the msi would download a video and some source files |
| 11:42.53 | simonrvn | quite nice yes |
| 11:43.22 | simonrvn | sy: you'd need wine to do that... |
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| 11:43.51 | simonrvn | fyi, wine can get infected like windows... |
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| 11:44.31 | sy | the debian org sidebar was a bit clunky, this seems to present the info more simply |
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| 11:45.32 | sy | one click net.iso install |
| 11:46.29 | rhada | does anyone know if the debian live mirrors have been updated I am hoping to use a ubs stck |
| 11:46.36 | EmleyMoor | is planning to merge two of his machines now that squeeze is out |
| 11:47.35 | babilen | rhada: no live images yet -- you can use the regular ISOs to install from USB (just cat them to the stick) -- /msg dpkg usb install |
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| 11:48.37 | rhada | babilen: wow just found them updated 2 hours ago http://live.debian.net/archive/images/6.0.0/amd64/usb-hdd/ |
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| 11:50.27 | EmleyMoor | Are there any docs on installing squeeze kFreeBSD? |
| 11:50.42 | homecable | any one need deibna netinstall 6 |
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| 11:50.48 | homecable | i got 100mbit |
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| 11:50.52 | homecable | can dcc send |
| 11:50.59 | homecable | just let me know |
| 11:51.01 | babilen | rhada: Ah great, had the impression yesterday night that it would take longer. |
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| 11:52.01 | rhada | can someone tell me what the advantages are of useing the freeDSB iso/images |
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| 11:52.20 | JyZyXEL | what is "expert install" and "graphical expert install"? |
| 11:53.03 | rhada | uups BSD |
| 11:53.28 | EmleyMoor | JyZyXEL: Install modes, text and graphical respectively, that ask more questions, giving the installer more control, but increasing the risk of a mistake |
| 11:53.29 | babilen | rhada: You can use pf and XFS? |
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| 11:53.59 | JyZyXEL | how text is text and how graphical is graphical |
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| 11:55.15 | rhada | pf! |
| 11:55.24 | mario_ | I have a native IPV4 uplink and added an 6to4 tunnel for IPV6 connectivity. Is it possible to prioritize IPV4 on a DNS query, when e.g. wget http://ipv6andv4host/big.file? I guess there is no way. My concern it the waste of traffic through the tunnel provider. |
| 11:55.30 | babilen | rhada: great isn't it? |
| 11:56.21 | Dagger2 | mario_: check /etc/gai.conf, although the defaults should prefer ipv4 over a 6to4->native_ipv6 connection |
| 11:56.34 | rhada | babilen: yes I have knew what pf and XFS are |
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| 11:57.07 | Dagger2 | mario_: (6to4 will still be used when the remote has a 6to4 address, but 6to4->6to4 traffic travels directly over ipv4 and so won't use the router's bandwidth anyway) |
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| 11:57.49 | EmleyMoor | JyZyXEL: text is quite fancy - the sort of thing that may be (and might have been) achieved with curses. Graphical is not much different really but does use drawn boxes and a proportional font |
| 11:57.59 | wissem | hi |
| 11:58.11 | babilen | JyZyXEL: Try and see? |
| 11:58.16 | mario_ | Dagger2: thank you, i have a look. I did this on a fresh squeeze install. Did wget from asterisk.org. I saw that the it returned an IPV6 + IPV4 addr, but was using IPV6 |
| 11:58.51 | rhada | sorry what I meant to say was if I knew what you are refering to pf and XFS |
| 11:59.00 | [SkG] | babilen: I'm using the image from the url u said me... it installs stable debian, I cant select on install testing branch. |
| 11:59.34 | wissem | i want to change my grub menu,to make another kernel different from the one i'm using.so i edited /boot/grub.menu.lst and moved it to first position allthought when i rebooted there was no changes ! |
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| 11:59.41 | cousin_mario | hello |
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| 11:59.56 | babilen | [SkG]: use the expert install -- and stable is the same as testing at this momemt. And I would expect testing to be a bumpy ride in the coming days/weeks ... |
| 11:59.59 | cousin_mario | has there been a major release of debian-kfreebsd along with squeeze? |
| 12:00.00 | Dagger2 | mario_: hm, asterisk.org doesn't seem to have an AAAA record here? |
| 12:00.17 | [SkG] | babilen I'm using expert install, I didnt saw that option |
| 12:00.34 | babilen | [SkG]: Just install squeeze and s/squeeze/wheezy + other stable specific stuff in your sources.list |
| 12:01.00 | babilen | [SkG]: There is absolutely *no* difference between squeeze and wheezy right now |
| 12:01.05 | mario_ | Dagger2: my fault, it should be downloads.asterisk.org. It resolves to 2001:470:e0d4::e9, 76.164.171.233 and IPV6 is used. |
| 12:01.13 | [SkG] | on right now there is no difference I know |
| 12:01.21 | [SkG] | ok* |
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| 12:02.54 | EmleyMoor | cousin_mario: squeeze includes kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 architectures. It is described as a "technology preview" |
| 12:02.56 | Julinux | I need Help Please |
| 12:03.09 | Dagger2 | mario_: ah, ok, I see it. odd; on my (freshly upgraded, using 6to4) squeeze box, wget defaults to ipv4 unless I give it -6 |
| 12:03.33 | babilen | [SkG]: AFAIK the expert install lets you install testing/unstable as well ... |
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| 12:03.58 | [SkG] | jum then I must read better, lets see |
| 12:04.09 | wissem | i want to change my grub menu,to make another kernel different from the one i'm using.so i edited /boot/grub/menu.lst and moved it to first position allthought when i rebooted there was no changes ! |
| 12:04.10 | mario_ | Dagger2: but you pointed me to the right direction. You know, i fixed it by gai.conf. I added a precedence for IPV4. |
| 12:04.11 | jeff_hann | Julinux, tell us what the problem is |
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| 12:04.16 | Julinux | I want to mount an ntfs partition with BitLocker enabled! how? |
| 12:04.18 | wissem | any idea how to do that? |
| 12:05.00 | Julinux | how? |
| 12:05.20 | doubleukay | hey guys, congrats on release of 6.0. looking forward to upgrading my servers to it one day :) |
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| 12:05.24 | jeff_hann | Julinux, BitLocker is winblows-only |
| 12:05.28 | jeff_hann | right? |
| 12:05.32 | Julinux | Yeah |
| 12:06.24 | jeff_hann | so what does this has to do with Debian? |
| 12:06.58 | jeff_hann | *have |
| 12:07.03 | Julinux | You want to mount the partition in Debian |
| 12:07.29 | EmleyMoor | Julinux wants to know how to mount such a partition in Debian, if it can be done. |
| 12:07.55 | Julinux | Yeah |
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| 12:08.25 | jeff_hann | Julinux, so the partition is on a Win machine with BitLocker |
| 12:08.28 | Julinux | If I mount the ntfs partition with BitLocker enabled in debian lenny |
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| 12:09.34 | cousin_mario | bbl |
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| 12:09.38 | Julinux | I have to disable BitLocker to be able to mount the partition? |
| 12:09.45 | EmleyMoor | I do next to nothing with ntfs and have never come across BitLocker |
| 12:09.53 | jeff_hann | ditto |
| 12:09.57 | babilen | same here -- what is bitlocker? |
| 12:10.03 | Julinux | Cool |
| 12:10.07 | jeff_hann | seems I initially misunderstood the question |
| 12:10.09 | abrotman | this seems like a question google could answer |
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| 12:10.26 | abrotman | "Can I mount a BitLocker Partition in Linux" ? |
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| 12:11.22 | Julinux | BitLocker is a tool present in versions of Windows Vista and Windows 7. Is to encodethe HD partitions, protecting your data against possible thefts. This tool has been enhanced with an additional Windows Ultimate Extras in Windows Vista, and camenatively optimized for Windows 7. |
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| 12:11.45 | Julinux | BitLocker: Drive Encryption |
| 12:11.48 | crissi | hello |
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| 12:12.01 | Julinux | Thank's for help |
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| 12:12.25 | Julinux | bye |
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| 12:12.34 | alistra | hey, i'm having the "sid" version of debian for a few years and it still haven't gone stable, what's up with that? |
| 12:12.35 | crissi | i just see that squeeze has been released. but why the hell debian ship (quite old) kde 4.4.5? current is 4.6.0 which is lightyears forward |
| 12:12.53 | crissi | nobody want 4.4.x |
| 12:12.58 | babilen | alistra: honestly? |
| 12:13.10 | ike | crissi: because it's stable. |
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| 12:13.15 | Bushmills | alistra: keep waiting |
| 12:13.19 | EmleyMoor | crissi: Maybe 4.4.5 was what was in and considered fit to release when squeeze froze |
| 12:13.22 | crissi | 4.4.5 is not stable |
| 12:13.28 | alistra | :D |
| 12:13.28 | babilen | !tell alistra about sid |
| 12:13.37 | crissi | it should be 4.6.0 |
| 12:13.44 | alistra | just trolling |
| 12:13.44 | crissi | its was released before squeeze |
| 12:13.52 | crissi | no trolling. |
| 12:13.55 | ike | crissi: well. You can help if you want. backports.d.o. is now official. |
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| 12:14.13 | babilen | alistra: Play somewhere else please :) |
| 12:14.36 | crissi | backports is a good idea, i use it. but 4.6.0 should really in squeeze instead of 4.4.5 |
| 12:14.46 | aguitel | what about the squeeze live image ? |
| 12:14.58 | EmleyMoor | crissi: Maybe it wasn't ready when squeeze froze |
| 12:14.58 | doubleukay | is squeeze/volatile up? am getting a 404 |
| 12:15.01 | ike | aguitel: it will be available later. |
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| 12:15.09 | ike | doubleukay: there are no volatile repo for squeeze. |
| 12:15.13 | ike | Read release notes about it. |
| 12:15.19 | aguitel | it will be instable image? |
| 12:15.21 | doubleukay | thanks |
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| 12:15.28 | babilen | aguitel: http://live.debian.net/archive/images/6.0.0/ |
| 12:15.39 | crissi | EmleyMoor: right but in this case its better to update the rule. |
| 12:15.41 | [SkG] | babilen, after mirror selection it dont prompt me for branch selection... |
| 12:15.53 | matthiaskrgr_ | how can I upgrade to current "testing" ? |
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| 12:16.12 | abrotman | matthiaskrgr_: you probably don't want to for a little bit |
| 12:16.13 | crissi | kde4.4.x was beta quality. |
| 12:16.19 | EmleyMoor | crissi: No. KDE 4.6.0 was released on 26th January - much too recently to be in squeeze |
| 12:16.21 | itchi | Cool that the Debian's website got a lifting, looks cool and perfect in timing! Great dudes and thanks!!! |
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| 12:16.33 | ike | matthiaskrgr: just use testing in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:16.34 | aguitel | babilen, what means "iso-hybrid" ? |
| 12:16.37 | matthiaskrgr_ | hm, ok, is it 'that' untested? :P |
| 12:16.39 | abrotman | ike: don't tell him to do that |
| 12:16.48 | matthiaskrgr_ | ike: thanks :P |
| 12:16.50 | abrotman | ike: unless you're going to be here when it breaks .. don't tell him |
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| 12:16.59 | ike | abrotman: hm. |
| 12:17.10 | ike | I just answered his/hers question. |
| 12:17.17 | abrotman | the period after a release is usually pretty volatile in 'testing' .. and it's likely going ot break |
| 12:17.19 | ike | But actually you're right. |
| 12:17.27 | ike | testing will be messy soon. |
| 12:17.31 | abrotman | ike: i realize that .. but you didn't even try to warn him that it's going to get ugly |
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| 12:17.39 | ike | abrotman: ack. |
| 12:17.40 | EmleyMoor | testing will soon start to move - FAST! |
| 12:17.50 | crissi | EmleyMoor: 4.4.x is beta quality! |
| 12:17.54 | matthiaskrgr_ | I am already using testing since quite some time now, just testing became stable recently :) |
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| 12:18.03 | matthiaskrgr_ | so I think i'll wait a few weeks/a month and upgrade then |
| 12:18.16 | abrotman | matthiaskrgr_: "some time" is how long? a few months? that's not very long at all |
| 12:18.18 | crissi | if you want to release stable kde... then offer 3.5.x series |
| 12:18.22 | crissi | or 4.6.x |
| 12:18.30 | EmleyMoor | crissi: OK - so, if 4.6 is too new and 4.4 beta quality, what do you suggest could have been included? |
| 12:18.37 | EmleyMoor | 3.5? Erx! |
| 12:18.40 | crissi | 3.5.10 |
| 12:18.41 | EmleyMoor | Erk! |
| 12:18.49 | abrotman | why are you even arguing about the version of KDE? which of you is a DD? |
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| 12:19.22 | abrotman | !tell crissi about trinity |
| 12:19.24 | abrotman | good luck! |
| 12:19.35 | crissi | trinity we use in some cases |
| 12:19.37 | ike | ;-) |
| 12:19.38 | doubleukay | ike: thanks, I have the squeeze-updates added to my repo now. |
| 12:20.03 | crissi | it has some issues so we use on machines for stable work lenny. |
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| 12:20.51 | crissi | for machines which need kde 4.6.x we use kubuntu |
| 12:20.52 | aguitel | the live images are official from debian project ? |
| 12:21.07 | abrotman | crissi: what's the point of this argument? |
| 12:21.34 | matthiaskrgr_ | hehe, I just checked, if I updated to wheezy now, there are _no_ updates I could do, but there are 9039 new packages :) |
| 12:21.47 | ike | doubleukay: ;-) n/p |
| 12:21.53 | crissi | the point is that every new kde4 release is a step forward to get the functionality of kde 3.5.x back and less bugs |
| 12:21.58 | abrotman | matthiaskrgr_: but again, it will get very ugly in a few days |
| 12:22.08 | |switch| | guess it is about time I upgraded from Etch then ... |
| 12:22.10 | abrotman | crissi: yes .. but why are you discussing that in here? |
| 12:22.12 | matthiaskrgr_ | yeah, I'll wait some time :) |
| 12:22.18 | crissi | i think for kde should be a exception at freeze |
| 12:22.42 | e-anima | hi |
| 12:22.45 | EmleyMoor | There should be NO exceptions at freeze - that's the point |
| 12:22.46 | abrotman | crissi: KDE is a monster (in more than one way) .. not going to happen .. if you don't like the version of KDE that squeeze released with, go use another distro .. end of discussion |
| 12:22.47 | crissi | for now, lenny is out, at next service release the last kde sc should be there. |
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| 12:23.09 | e-anima | any good links on postfix config. i already have some but some more reading is always good |
| 12:23.14 | abrotman | and squeeze isn't going to update to kde4.6.x at the next "service release" |
| 12:23.27 | abrotman | e-anima: #postfix has tons of links, many very good |
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| 12:24.18 | nettezzaumana | heya |
| 12:24.20 | nettezzaumana | oh bloody hell .. can i somehow kill stucked screen session from his list ctrl^a shift^" |
| 12:24.33 | e-anima | abrotman thx |
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| 12:24.55 | abrotman | nettezzaumana: kill the PID? |
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| 12:25.52 | EmleyMoor | Does squeeze have a volatile repo? |
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| 12:25.58 | nettezzaumana | abrotman: tru dat |
| 12:26.03 | ansgar | EmleyMoor: No. |
| 12:26.05 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: it's gone .. it's called squeeze-updates |
| 12:26.43 | babilen | EmleyMoor: Read the "What's new in the distribution? |
| 12:26.49 | ike | EmleyMoor: read release notes please. |
| 12:26.51 | babilen | ... chapter in the release ntoes |
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| 12:30.50 | crissi | abrotman: thats bad. |
| 12:31.01 | abrotman | that's good |
| 12:31.04 | crissi | no., |
| 12:31.10 | crissi | bad for users. |
| 12:31.12 | abrotman | if you don't like the way Debian works, don't use it |
| 12:31.25 | abrotman | crissi: then maybe they shouldn't use the KDE stuff .. use something sensible |
| 12:31.43 | abrotman | or .. maybe that's just your opinion, and they don't care what you think :) |
| 12:31.44 | crissi | you can backport all patches to 4.4.5.. how funny :-D |
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| 12:32.16 | abrotman | crissi: you're complaining to the wrong people .. if you want to "fix" kde in Debian, join the debian-kde team .. otherwise, we can't help you |
| 12:32.26 | abrotman | other than to explain, you don't understand how Debian works |
| 12:32.30 | EmleyMoor | The point of stable is it's supposed to be stable, not "wobbly" |
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| 12:32.45 | ike | Debian Wobbly. Nice name. |
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| 12:33.02 | JetBoy | running "dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc", fixed |
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| 12:33.21 | abrotman | that was easy! |
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| 12:42.20 | swoody | yay 6.0! \o/ |
| 12:43.12 | swoody | quick question, if you were already running a squeeze install, does it already contain the new 100% free kernel, or do you have to install it? |
| 12:43.44 | abrotman | swoody: cat /proc/version |
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| 12:44.09 | swoody | Linux version 2.6.32-5-amd64 (Debian 2.6.32-30) (ben@decadent.org.uk) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) ) #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 03:40:32 UTC 2011 |
| 12:45.15 | abrotman | judd: versions |
| 12:45.15 | judd | (versions <pattern> [--arch <i386>] [--release <squeeze>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and i386 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages. |
| 12:45.20 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 12:45.21 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.37-trunk-686 (2.6.37-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); wheezy: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 12:45.33 | abrotman | swoody: so if you have none of the 'firmware' packages installed, you have a 'free' kernel |
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| 12:46.49 | swoody | abrotman: right, how can I check that they are or not though? :/ |
| 12:47.15 | abrotman | swoody: dpkg -l "*firmware*" ? |
| 12:47.39 | abrotman | and of course, using any nvidia/ati stuff includes binary-bits |
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| 12:48.51 | abrotman | (and various other drivers as well) |
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| 12:49.25 | geever | hi guys |
| 12:50.03 | geever | I'm downloading the new netinst image and wonder where are the others? |
| 12:50.10 | abrotman | the other what? |
| 12:50.18 | geever | only bittorrent dl is working but it's speed is a horror |
| 12:50.33 | abrotman | geever: which one? there are numerous |
| 12:50.42 | geever | 2k per sec |
| 12:50.46 | abrotman | it's also possible your ISP is filtering? |
| 12:51.03 | abrotman | amd64? i386? multiarch? |
| 12:51.07 | geever | i386 |
| 12:51.08 | GNU\colossus | anyone upgraded to squeeze on his/her Linksys NSLU2 yet? |
| 12:51.43 | abrotman | geever: i'm sure lots of people are seeding, but there may also be lots of downloaders/leechers ? |
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| 12:52.16 | sha | support for lenny will end today in one year, is that right? |
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| 12:52.35 | fbs | somehow i cant scroll through manpages anymore |
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| 12:52.48 | swoody | abrotman: this is the output: http://pastebin.com/fBqR7Puy although I don't have bluez-firmware, realtek-firmware, or firmware-iwlwifi installed :/ |
| 12:52.52 | fbs | pageup/pagedown, arrows etc downt work |
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| 12:52.59 | geever | I'm using deluge |
| 12:53.12 | geever | hooops. it's boosted |
| 12:53.18 | abrotman | sha: that's the current plan, roughly one year .. but it may go longer .. or shorter (not likely) |
| 12:53.24 | geever | from 2k to ~2M it's a bit difference :) |
| 12:53.28 | abrotman | cute |
| 12:54.11 | geever | maybe someone get off his foot from the UTP cable :D |
| 12:54.12 | ike | sha: probably. but the security team thinks about longer stable support. there was an e-mail on d-d-a. |
| 12:54.31 | tacit | Hi, congrats from #opensuse for releasing squeeze! It's been a long way coming. |
| 12:55.11 | sha | abrotman: ike: okay... so i'd have to follow the mailinglist to get updated on this subjcet? or is there a website for that? |
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| 12:55.41 | abrotman | sha: it will be on a website .. they will tell people |
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| 12:55.47 | ike | sha: I believe that if the support will be extended an announce at announce mailing list will appera. |
| 12:55.50 | ike | appear even. |
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| 12:55.59 | sha | okay... thank you! |
| 12:56.12 | abrotman | sha: http://debian.org/News/2010/20100121 .. for example |
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| 12:57.01 | sha | yeah, i donn't follow the debian.org/news ... just subscribed the announce mailing list recently |
| 12:57.27 | abrotman | sha: there is debian-announce and debian-devel-announce .. both are reasonably informative and low traffic |
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| 12:58.08 | sha | abrotman: ok, fine. thanks again :) |
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| 12:58.48 | ubertroll | DEBIAN SUXX |
| 12:58.51 | ike | There is debian-news also ;-) |
| 12:59.02 | ubertroll | DEBIAN SUXX |
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| 12:59.04 | ubertroll | DEBIAN SUXX |
| 12:59.07 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 12:59.08 | amphi | ubertroll: that's very feeble trolling |
| 12:59.21 | abrotman | not a very smart troll either |
| 12:59.33 | abrotman | can't spell, can't use more than two words ... |
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| 12:59.40 | toxbot | lol |
| 12:59.58 | toxbot | A trolling bot, I guess. xD |
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| 13:00.33 | ike | Well. It's nickname says it all. |
| 13:01.01 | anoob | is this document obsolete: http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingTutorial ? |
| 13:01.04 | eshat | ohh new xserver just hit sid |
| 13:01.12 | abrotman | !inout |
| 13:01.13 | dpkg | To see which packages are going in/out of testing today: http://release.debian.org/migration/accepted.html To see why a package is not in testing "/msg dpkg why is <foo> not in testing" or go to http://release.debian.org/migration/ For packages coming into unstable use http://incoming.debian.org/ and see <removed> |
| 13:01.33 | abrotman | anoob: why do you ask? seems reasonable |
| 13:01.54 | bkraptor | for some reason after updating from testing/squeeze to squeeze today, one of my VM's refuses to boot with kernel panic - Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 13:01.56 | anoob | i don't want to learn something obsolete :) abrotman |
| 13:02.07 | abrotman | oh, it seems fine |
| 13:02.15 | anoob | thank you very much abrotman |
| 13:02.20 | geever | bye |
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| 13:02.27 | abrotman | bkraptor: how out of date was it? |
| 13:02.36 | anoob | congratulations debian team! squeeze is awesome! |
| 13:03.22 | bkraptor | abrotman: it was installed from scratch about 3 weeks ago |
| 13:03.28 | bkraptor | abrotman: and never had any updates since |
| 13:03.55 | abrotman | shouldn't have had much change ... |
| 13:03.56 | JyZyXEL | the Detect and mount cd-rom fails |
| 13:04.10 | bkraptor | abrotman: it did change the kernel image |
| 13:04.18 | JyZyXEL | isn't there a USB installer |
| 13:04.36 | stew | JyZyXEL: the isos can be copied directly to usb and booted |
| 13:05.03 | abrotman | bkraptor: but it shouldn't have been a major change |
| 13:05.10 | abrotman | unless you used very old installation media |
| 13:05.50 | JyZyXEL | well i copied: "dists/, install.amd/, pics/, pool/" |
| 13:05.57 | bkraptor | abrotman: the installation media was a net-install cd from that time, I think it was either beta2 or rc1 |
| 13:05.58 | JyZyXEL | and it didn't work |
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| 13:06.29 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: that's not what he said .. |
| 13:06.46 | abrotman | bkraptor: does the bootloader see any partitions ? |
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| 13:06.52 | JyZyXEL | you can't copy the iso to a USB stick and boot that up |
| 13:07.13 | bkraptor | abrotman: hope this doesn't sound very stupid - how do I do that? |
| 13:07.16 | JyZyXEL | or can it be used with emulation? |
| 13:07.33 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: they're hybrid ISOs .. you can do that |
| 13:07.47 | abrotman | bkraptor: grub lets you use a command line to look around |
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| 13:07.55 | bkraptor | ok, what commands? |
| 13:07.57 | JyZyXEL | abrotman: cp debian-6.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso /mount/usb/ |
| 13:08.00 | JyZyXEL | like that? |
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| 13:08.04 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 13:08.05 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 13:08.32 | abrotman | see 4.3.1 |
| 13:08.38 | JyZyXEL | i can't destroy the other data on the stick |
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| 13:08.56 | go^ | boot with grub? |
| 13:09.20 | JyZyXEL | im booting with grub4dos |
| 13:09.21 | bkraptor | abrotman: is that intended for me? |
| 13:09.26 | JyZyXEL | it has iso emulation |
| 13:09.34 | go^ | grub2 has too |
| 13:09.36 | abrotman | bkraptor: no |
| 13:09.39 | JyZyXEL | i wonder if that can be used |
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| 13:09.47 | anoob | how do i remove apt-get buildep packages? |
| 13:09.50 | JyZyXEL | it only works with INT13 |
| 13:10.13 | jelly-hme | JyZyXEL: if you can chainload the .iso, it might |
| 13:10.25 | JyZyXEL | i tried and it still gave the cdrom error |
| 13:10.45 | bkraptor | abrotman: ls outputs (hd0) (hd0, msdos2) (hd0, msdos1) |
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| 13:11.27 | JyZyXEL | but the text installer worked |
| 13:11.30 | delby | hi, how do i alert whoever maintains the installation manual to a part that needs updating? |
| 13:11.34 | abrotman | are those labels? |
| 13:11.44 | JyZyXEL | so theres a bug in the gfx installer |
| 13:11.46 | abrotman | delby: i believe the document tells you in the appendix |
| 13:11.58 | abrotman | bkraptor: are those labvels? what is hd0 ? what is msdos2 ? |
| 13:12.11 | delby | abrotman: thanks |
| 13:12.19 | JyZyXEL | is there a debug mode for the gfx installer? |
| 13:12.29 | bkraptor | abrotman: that's the output from the ls command |
| 13:12.32 | JyZyXEL | i would like to see how its trying to search for a "cd-rom" |
| 13:12.46 | bkraptor | abrotman: I didn't label anything manually |
| 13:12.53 | abrotman | delby: the "Contributing to this Document' section |
| 13:13.03 | bkraptor | abrotman: but I do remember installing everything on a / (ext3) and a swap partition |
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| 13:13.35 | abrotman | bkraptor: can you use a liveCD on the VM to make sure your data is still there? |
| 13:13.44 | bkraptor | abrotman: also the root command outputs: (hd0,msdos1): Filesystem is ext2. |
| 13:13.53 | bkraptor | abrotman: I'll do that |
| 13:14.19 | m3asmi | how can I execute python script from apache |
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| 13:14.43 | GNU\colossus | m3asmi, by using CGI, for example |
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| 13:15.17 | m3asmi | yes Iound some about that |
| 13:15.21 | bkraptor | are there any torrents for downloading the iso? |
| 13:15.46 | a7x | hi, while i was update my remote server through SSH my computer shutted down, there is anyway to get again the hover on apt-get? i didn't use screen. |
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| 13:16.18 | stew | JyZyXEL: no i meant something like just "cp foo.iso /dev/sdb" or whatever /dev/sdb is for your usb drive |
| 13:16.36 | JyZyXEL | thatll destroy all the data on the stick so no go |
| 13:16.39 | a7x | s/update/updating/ |
| 13:16.47 | m3asmi | GNU\colossus: the are no interpritation of html code !! |
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| 13:17.10 | tacit | stew: "dd" |
| 13:17.11 | stew | bkraptor: go to debian.org and click on "getting debian" |
| 13:17.15 | stew | tacit: "cp" |
| 13:17.22 | tacit | stew: "dd"! |
| 13:17.28 | stew | tacit: why are you telling me this? |
| 13:17.45 | tacit | stew: Because "cp" won't work and "dd" will. |
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| 13:18.02 | stew | tacit: not only will cp work, but it will be better than you at choosing a good blocksize |
| 13:18.32 | bkraptor | stew: I'm blind, thanks |
| 13:18.53 | stew | tacit: they both do the same thing "open up both, copy buts until you run out or run out of room" dd uses a too small 512 block by default, cp tries to determine a more efficient blocksize for you depending on where you are copying to/from |
| 13:19.09 | stew | ^buts^bits |
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| 13:19.52 | babilen | Hei -- Is the typescript of the release session online somewhere? I'm just curious and would like to take a look. (don't want to bother -release if not necessary) |
| 13:20.22 | apollo13 | hi, I am running a debian 4.0 with xen as dom0, can I upgrade my domU to 6.0 or will tat cause problems? |
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| 13:20.46 | JyZyXEL | what the hell is netinstall image even doing trying to mount a cdrom |
| 13:20.50 | babilen | apollo13: Upgrade to lenny first, then squeeze ... |
| 13:21.20 | babilen | apollo13: Both procedures are explained in the respective release notes |
| 13:21.23 | apollo13 | babilen: on the dom0 or domU |
| 13:21.40 | apollo13 | I'd like to leave dom0 on 4.0 for now if possible *gg* |
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| 13:24.09 | babilen | apollo13: You know that 4.0 is not supported anymore, don't you? I can't give you a definite answer on the "will I have a problem running squeeze on an etch dom0" though, sorry. |
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| 13:24.56 | apollo13 | babilen: Yes I am aware of that, and I am trying to figure out the sanest upgrade path (eg with order of domU and dom0 upgrades); thx for your help |
| 13:25.13 | JyZyXEL | wheres the source code for the installer? |
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| 13:25.22 | tacit | stew: Thanks. |
| 13:27.16 | themill | JyZyXEL: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=source+code+debian+installer |
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| 13:28.12 | JyZyXEL | is there a git for it? |
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| 13:29.12 | bkraptor | abrotman: I've booted the install cd with rescue mode. all files seem to be where they are supposed to be |
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| 13:29.52 | JyZyXEL | http://git.debian.org/?p=d-i/debian-installer.git;a=tree;f=doc/devel |
| 13:29.54 | JyZyXEL | is that it |
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| 13:30.33 | JyZyXEL | oh wait i think this is the root http://git.debian.org/?p=d-i/debian-installer.git;a=tree;hb=HEAD |
| 13:30.48 | bkraptor | abrotman: issuing "grub-install /dev/sda" seems to have fixed the boot problem |
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| 13:35.23 | bkraptor | abrotman: should I file a bug for this problem or is it a knwn issue? |
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| 13:36.57 | bkraptor | abrotman: btw, thanks |
| 13:37.29 | stew | so wheezy is going to get >2300 new source packages today |
| 13:37.45 | stew | lets get ready to rumble! |
| 13:38.04 | stew | (that's updated packages, not NEW) |
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| 13:41.13 | Bushmills | finally |
| 13:41.23 | Bushmills | freeze is a boring period |
| 13:41.33 | GNU\colossus | hehe |
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| 13:43.13 | lithpr | which DVDs do i need to download to do a normal install w/ Gnome? |
| 13:43.31 | valdyn | lithpr: why download a whole dvd? |
| 13:43.50 | lithpr | okay, do most people just use the small cd image? |
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| 13:43.58 | valdyn | lithpr: the netinstall |
| 13:44.03 | lithpr | i've never installed debian before, sorry |
| 13:44.05 | lithpr | okay, thansk |
| 13:44.15 | robinsmidsrod | I've been trying out Debian 6 kfreebsd today, and so far so good - but when it boots it complains that vm.kmem_size is set lower than 512MB, and when I try to set it with sysctl it says "read-only" - the message says to change /boot/loader.conf, but that is a freebsd-specific file which is not present - how do I incorporate this into the grub boot loading process? |
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| 13:44.33 | robinsmidsrod | can I set it in the kernel command line in /etc/default/grub ? |
| 13:44.41 | hans123 | hi! |
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| 13:44.57 | valdyn | lithpr: if you have fast enough internet access and if the network interface is supported out of the box, then netinstall is probably the best choice |
| 13:44.59 | hans123 | what are the policies re inclusion of apps into official debian repos? |
| 13:45.05 | robinsmidsrod | and if so, is it vm.kmem_size_min=512MB or something else? |
| 13:45.13 | valdyn | !dfsg |
| 13:45.13 | dpkg | DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
| 13:45.16 | valdyn | hans123: ^^ |
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| 13:46.04 | hans123 | @valdyn: ok, now suppose license is ok, what else is needed? |
| 13:46.24 | rethus | is it recommended to use lenny-backports for a live-server to upgrade the apache openssl and other packages? |
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| 13:46.54 | tomreyn | congrats for the release :-) |
| 13:47.25 | abrotman | bkraptor: it shouldn't have happened at all .. weird |
| 13:47.49 | tomreyn | on another topic: there used to be some package which allows for defining other packages' dependencies to be overridden. can you help me with the name of this? |
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| 13:48.29 | hans123 | we have a software that's fully GPL, BSD and public domain, and we have .deb's. what would be needed for Debian to include them in official repos?? |
| 13:48.48 | tomreyn | note: i know about dpkg --force-depends, that's _not_ what i'm looking for. |
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| 13:49.18 | GNU\colossus | hans123, a Debian package maintainer picking it up. |
| 13:49.24 | xingu | hans123: each of those licenses conflicts with the other - I'm tempted to quip "a good lawyer" |
| 13:49.32 | abrotman | hans123: /msg dpkg mentors |
| 13:49.59 | abrotman | hans123: /msg dpkg nmg |
| 13:50.05 | epsilon | whats correct way to disable ipv6 in squeeze? |
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| 13:50.14 | hans123 | xingu: afaik, FSF considers BSD to be compatible with GPL, as well as public domain |
| 13:50.37 | hans123 | GNU\colossus, abrotman thanks |
| 13:50.41 | ws2k3 | hello guys. i have a installed debian. and now i wanne resize the partition where debian is installed. |
| 13:51.02 | abrotman | hans123: the 'mentors' method might be the easier route .. |
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| 13:51.13 | abrotman | hans123: or of course, you could be come a DD/DM yourself |
| 13:51.26 | ws2k3 | but in parted i get a error |
| 13:51.42 | ws2k3 | file system has incompatible featerus enabled. |
| 13:51.52 | hans123 | DD/DM? |
| 13:52.09 | tomreyn | debian developer/(package) maintainer |
| 13:52.19 | hans123 | ah, ok |
| 13:52.20 | hans123 | lol |
| 13:52.22 | hans123 | sorry |
| 13:52.59 | tomreyn | ws2k3: you're probably trying to make parted work on a file system it does not support (such as ext4) |
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| 13:53.31 | hans123 | #debian-mentors here is +i |
| 13:53.54 | ws2k3 | how can i see what kind i have? |
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| 13:54.51 | tomreyn | ws2k3: 'mount' if it is mounted, otherwise /etc/fstab of the operating system which normally mounts it |
| 13:54.57 | valdyn | ws2k3: its ext4, theres not really a choice |
| 13:55.12 | jimcooncat | where to find a description of businesscard.iso, please? |
| 13:55.20 | valdyn | ws2k3: but - feel free to mount it and look at the output of mount |
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| 13:55.43 | abrotman | hans123: irc.oftc.net |
| 13:55.52 | hans123 | abrotman, thx |
| 13:55.53 | abrotman | jimcooncat: in general, you don't want it |
| 13:56.13 | ws2k3 | its ext2 i see |
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| 13:56.21 | ws2k3 | i halready have tryed to folow some guide |
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| 13:56.24 | abrotman | jimcooncat: it *requires* network access .. if the driver for your network isn't working, or it rquires some special config .. you're stuck |
| 13:56.24 | jimcooncat | abrotman, ok |
| 13:56.34 | abrotman | !bizcard |
| 13:56.37 | abrotman | bleh |
| 13:56.40 | stew | jimcooncat: an iso for burning ondo cds the size of a business card. if you have a cd that can fit a netinst, there is no reason not to use a netinst |
| 13:56.44 | ws2k3 | and they where sayting that i need to remove the journal? and then resize and then add the journal again? |
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| 13:57.02 | stew | jimcooncat: the first thing that the businesscard cd does is to download whatever is on the netinst that isn't on the businesscard cd, so you aren't saving anything |
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| 13:57.11 | abrotman | !businesscard |
| 13:57.11 | dpkg | The "businesscard" CD image is a minimal Debian installer (about 50MB) that *requires* an Internet connection to finish installation of the base system. The BC image can be used to install various versions of Debian directly. A better option is likely the <netinst> image, which does not require Internet to get the base install. Does not support installation over <PPP>, use netinst. Also ask about <install debian>. |
| 13:57.15 | jimcooncat | thanks all |
| 13:57.19 | abrotman | wonder how old that is :) |
| 13:57.40 | tomreyn | ws2k3: it's unlikely to be ext2 if you recently installed this system with default file system settings. |
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| 13:59.19 | ws2k3 | i know |
| 13:59.22 | tomreyn | ws2k3: also, every non-stone age version of parted does support ext2 |
| 13:59.24 | jimcooncat | is it simple to install alongside Ubuntu 10.10? Will it add an entry to grub2, or overwrite it? |
| 13:59.45 | abrotman | jimcooncat: it offers to install a bootloader .. if you choose not to, you'll ahve to alter the one in ubuntu somehow |
| 14:00.01 | ws2k3 | i recently installed it |
| 14:00.04 | ws2k3 | yesterday:P |
| 14:00.13 | abrotman | linker: please keep it in the channel |
| 14:00.15 | ws2k3 | but what should i do now then. |
| 14:00.16 | lapfrog | hm apt-get update says it can't find some debian-multimedia files... |
| 14:00.29 | tomreyn | abrotman: any idea which package I am thinking of? there used to be some package which allows for defining other packages' dependencies to be overridden. can you help me with the name of this? |
| 14:00.36 | lapfrog | !multimedia |
| 14:00.36 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 14:00.50 | abrotman | tomreyn: equivs? |
| 14:00.56 | lapfrog | !dmm squeeze |
| 14:00.56 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ squeeze main non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
| 14:01.00 | tomreyn | abrotman: right, that's it :-) |
| 14:01.00 | abrotman | lapfrog: msg the bot please |
| 14:01.03 | lapfrog | k |
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| 14:01.20 | jimcooncat | abrotman, good. |
| 14:01.53 | abrotman | wonders if xk is the only person on the 'net still using bitchx :( |
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| 14:02.19 | ws2k3 | or how can i contunie now resizeing my disk? |
| 14:02.40 | linker | when i use aptitude to install input method and other package ,it always tell me can't find the package,who can help me |
| 14:02.47 | abrotman | linker: aptitude update first |
| 14:02.56 | tomreyn | ws2k3: either use the e2fs utils to resize it, or reinstall (which may be easier for you in case you have little experience with CLI) |
| 14:03.02 | lapfrog | nobody needs attitude from their irc client :P |
| 14:03.05 | abrotman | linker: if that still fails .. show us the error in a pastebin |
| 14:03.27 | tomreyn | ws2k3: what makes you think it is ext2? |
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| 14:03.37 | ws2k3 | i saw on the mount command |
| 14:04.06 | ws2k3 | when i typ mount |
| 14:04.18 | ws2k3 | i see /dev/sda1 on /mount type ext2 |
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| 14:05.38 | tomreyn | ws2k3: i see. did you explicitly choose to format this partition as ext2 when installing? did you select manual partitioning then? |
| 14:05.46 | abrotman | linker: ask in the channel, i'm not going to respond to support questoins in /msg |
| 14:05.50 | JyZyXEL | i figured it out |
| 14:05.57 | JyZyXEL | .disk needs to be in the install media |
| 14:05.59 | ws2k3 | no |
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| 14:06.01 | JyZyXEL | but theres a bug |
| 14:06.06 | ws2k3 | i hit everything default |
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| 14:06.16 | JyZyXEL | the filenames collide with ubuntus install media |
| 14:06.17 | ws2k3 | all in one partition write change to disk ans go |
| 14:06.24 | linker | when i use aptitude to install input method and other package ,it always tell me can't find the package,who can help me |
| 14:06.24 | sacredchao | Where can I read the discussion about wether or not to drop hurd-i386 ? |
| 14:06.33 | twanny796 | is there something like yast in debian? |
| 14:06.39 | abrotman | linker: i already told you .. put the error in a paste bin |
| 14:06.40 | tomreyn | ws2k3: did you edit /etc/fstab manually? |
| 14:06.43 | abrotman | twanny796: to do what exactly? |
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| 14:07.07 | twanny796 | abrotman: I want to pass an option to the kernel |
| 14:07.19 | twanny796 | abrotman: while booting |
| 14:07.25 | abrotman | twanny796: edit /etc/default/grub .. probably |
| 14:07.36 | tomreyn | ws2k3: oh you're right thi can indeed be ext2 if it's the boot partition. |
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| 14:08.09 | raz | hmm i just had an interesting discussion about squeeze still shipping 0.9.8 openssl |
| 14:08.29 | twanny796 | abrotman: prob /boot/grub/menu.lst ?? |
| 14:08.35 | raz | is there any documentation about the debian policy to backport security fixes instead of just keeping up with the official openssl? |
| 14:08.40 | abrotman | twanny796: are you using grub1 ? |
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| 14:08.50 | tomreyn | ws2k3: so, do as i suggested: <tomreyn> ws2k3: either use the e2fs utils to resize it, or reinstall (which may be easier for you in case you have little experience with CLI) |
| 14:08.52 | abrotman | raz: that's kind of the way debian works .. in general |
| 14:09.05 | twanny796 | abrotman: dunno, debian 5.0.8 |
| 14:09.16 | JyZyXEL | how do i tell the installer .disk path is not /.disk/? |
| 14:09.19 | mocca | hi, what is the sypnatic pakage manager keyword? i need to install it. |
| 14:09.19 | abrotman | twanny796: ugh .. uhm .. yeah, that file sounds right for grub1 |
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| 14:09.52 | twanny796 | abrotman: trying to pass pata_it821x.noraid=0x01, but it's not working |
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| 14:10.05 | twanny796 | abrotman: it works with OpenSUSE |
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| 14:10.25 | abrotman | twanny796: you may want to put your menu.lst in a pastebin |
| 14:10.28 | raz | abrotman: yes, i never questioned before, but some interesting points were raised. e.g. the 2008 ssl desaster, and just generally the question if it wouldn't simply be *easier* to build rather than patch (and potentially break) |
| 14:10.34 | abrotman | are you sure it's grub1 and not grub2 ? |
| 14:10.34 | twanny796 | abrotman: ok |
| 14:10.48 | abrotman | raz: 2008 ssh disaster you mean ? |
| 14:11.00 | jelly-hme | both ssl and ssh. |
| 14:11.19 | abrotman | raz: it's about functionality change .. the way stable works is to have a stable system to work against, no unexpected changes in fucntionality .. it was probably too late in the process to go with a newer version |
| 14:11.29 | raz | abrotman: http://digitaloffense.net/tools/debian-openssl/ |
| 14:11.39 | sacredchao | Where can I read the discussion about wether or not to drop hurd-i386 ? |
| 14:11.49 | jelly-hme | raz: we calls it dsa1571 |
| 14:11.55 | jelly-hme | !dsa1571 jokes |
| 14:11.55 | dpkg | For some light relief between changing your keys, see http://xkcd.com/221/ http://picpaste.com/glasbergen_-_new_encryption_code.gif, or http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2996/pmeo9hcjp7aw9.jpg, or http://xkcd.com/424/, or http://www.random.org/analysis/dilbert.jpg |
| 14:12.07 | raz | jelly: ah, didn't know that hehe |
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| 14:12.13 | mocca | i just fresh install debian xcfe. What is the sypnatic pakage manager keyword? i want to install it from apt-get. |
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| 14:12.55 | raz | abrotman: hm, understood. |
| 14:13.18 | abrotman | !tell raz about meaning of stable |
| 14:13.18 | twanny796 | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/Tb5buC43 |
| 14:13.36 | soundNICK | so umm... squeeze = debian 5 ? |
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| 14:13.43 | doubleukay | 6... |
| 14:13.49 | soundNICK | 6 okey, thx |
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| 14:14.07 | mocca | i just fresh install debian xcfe. What is the sypnatic pakage manager keyword? i want to install it from apt-get. anybody? |
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| 14:14.23 | abrotman | twanny796: you want to change the kopt line, then update-grub most likely |
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| 14:14.28 | raz | abrotman: yea, i guess this discussion has been had many times before. |
| 14:14.41 | abrotman | mocca: apt-get update; apt-get install synaptics ? |
| 14:14.45 | twanny796 | abrotman: moment |
| 14:15.03 | abrotman | raz: yeah .. if you really wanted to know, you could ask the maintainer, but you'll likely get a similar response |
| 14:16.03 | raz | abrotman: it's not a big deal to me personally. i was just cornered in the discussion when i had to admit that in order to achieve PCI compliance you'd have to move from debian stable to (at least) testing - which seems entirely counter-intuitive ;) |
| 14:16.22 | abrotman | PCI compliance? and why? |
| 14:16.23 | ws2k3 | how can i resize with e2fs |
| 14:16.33 | ws2k3 | if i type e2fs it say command not found |
| 14:16.38 | raz | abrotman: PCI apparently demands the latest openssl version |
| 14:16.53 | mocca | abrotman: Package 'synaptics' has no installation candidate |
| 14:17.08 | abrotman | raz: then it's checking wrong |
| 14:17.08 | babilen | ws2k3: It is "resize2fs" you are after |
| 14:17.14 | abrotman | mocca: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
| 14:17.30 | abrotman | raz: it's checking a versoin nubmer, instead of the actual vulnerability |
| 14:17.35 | ws2k3 | what the full commando should give |
| 14:17.45 | mocca | abrotman: whats pastebin address? |
| 14:17.50 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
| 14:18.03 | babilen | isn't it "synaptic" as opposed to "synapticS" -- (synaptics being the touchpad xorg thingie) |
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| 14:18.21 | ws2k3 | when i hit resize2fs /dev/sda1 |
| 14:18.27 | abrotman | raz: sometihng like openvas does it in a similar fashion .. it will do something like get the verison string from apache and then decide thta it's 'vulnerable', but really, it's not |
| 14:18.32 | abrotman | !tell raz about tracker of doom |
| 14:18.41 | ws2k3 | i get resizing the filesystem in /dev/sda1 to 1994060 (4k) block |
| 14:18.46 | raz | abrotman: well, in their defense, there is some sense in demanding the official packages. how should they possibly track all the backports that "someone" made for the various distros. |
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| 14:18.57 | ws2k3 | the filesystem on /dev/sda1 is now 1994060 blocks long |
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| 14:19.02 | abrotman | raz: and that 'tracker of doom' is a few days behind .. check 'testing' in that case, squeeze was just released |
| 14:19.17 | eshat | Is there a cheap GraphicsCard that supports video accelartion ? If so, which one ? |
| 14:19.21 | abrotman | raz: they could actually check the vuln instead of just assuming that people don't know how to apply patches |
| 14:19.29 | babilen | ws2k3: What are you trying to do? |
| 14:19.37 | ws2k3 | resize a filesystem |
| 14:19.41 | ws2k3 | its now 6 gb |
| 14:19.45 | ws2k3 | i wanne reize it 20 20 gb |
| 14:20.10 | raz | abrotman: yea, but I guess you can't expect a government(?) institution to make sense like that ;) |
| 14:20.15 | mocca | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/106677 |
| 14:20.37 | ws2k3 | what should i type then? |
| 14:20.43 | raz | abrotman: and also in their defense, the 2008 debacle demonstrated that sometimes people do indeed not know how to apply patches ;) |
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| 14:21.03 | abrotman | mocca: and 'aptitude update; aptitude install synaptics' ... put that in the pastebin |
| 14:21.05 | RedEyess | is there anyway to change the gdm login screen resolution? |
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| 14:21.15 | abrotman | raz: that patch was "okayed" by upstream .. |
| 14:21.28 | babilen | ws2k3: You have to resize the underlying partition/vg first -- you can then use resize2fs to resize the fs |
| 14:21.44 | Crashbit | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ <--- Problem with blue and red line :-) |
| 14:22.07 | ws2k3 | babulen wich command i should use to do that |
| 14:22.25 | raz | abrotman: yea i don't want to discuss that 2008 issue again. i guess there's just no optimal solution to this problem. |
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| 14:22.57 | abrotman | raz: not if you want to use distro packages |
| 14:23.00 | mocca | abrotman: solved. babilen> isn't it "synaptic" as opposed to "synapticS" -- (synaptics |
| 14:23.14 | babilen | ws2k3: try: bab<TAB> -- I have no idea as this depends on your setup. Do you have partitions? Do you use LVM? |
| 14:23.27 | tomreyn | ws2k3: fdisk. read the resize2fs man page, it nicely describes the process. |
| 14:23.39 | abrotman | mocca: see, you fooled me! :) |
| 14:23.42 | babilen | mocca: /me recommends aptitude/aptitude-gtk |
| 14:23.46 | mocca | abrotman: solved. like babilen say> "synaptic" |
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| 14:24.14 | ws2k3 | so i should use fdisk? |
| 14:24.15 | raz | abrotman: hum. this list is a bit disturbing http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/status/release/stable |
| 14:24.22 | raz | somehow i felt better before knowing that url |
| 14:24.37 | piranha | I have a problem with upgrade to squeeze, somewhy procps can't be upgraded: http://paste.in.ua/1704/ Any ideas how to handle that? |
| 14:24.48 | abrotman | raz: that's for lenny, not squeeze |
| 14:24.55 | mocca | abrotman: i spell wrong, sorry |
| 14:25.04 | abrotman | mocca: it's okay .. have a nice day! |
| 14:25.05 | babilen | ws2k3: answer my questions please :) |
| 14:25.10 | tomreyn | ws2k3: if it's /dev/sda1 that contains your file system, and there is no other layer such as LVM between the partition and the file system, yes. |
| 14:25.15 | mocca | aptitude, oh ok. |
| 14:25.17 | raz | abrotman: yes. but squeeze is only 1 day old, the list applies to pretty much every production debian out there. |
| 14:25.38 | abrotman | raz: you could join the security team and help out? :) |
| 14:25.48 | raz | abrotman: sure, how's pay? ;) |
| 14:25.52 | ws2k3 | so what should i do with fdisk? |
| 14:25.57 | abrotman | raz: same as other Debian positions :) |
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| 14:26.14 | raz | abrotman: i'll have to negotiate with my landlord and will get back to you ;) |
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| 14:26.25 | asarch | Torrents for the 6.0 aren't ready yet, are they? |
| 14:26.28 | ws2k3 | if i type /fdisk /dev/sda1 |
| 14:26.39 | hardisk | Hi guys, quick question is the no-ip client gone from Squeeze? |
| 14:26.40 | abrotman | raz: it's a part-time job .. |
| 14:26.41 | babilen | asarch: They are |
| 14:26.44 | abrotman | asarch: yes, they are .. |
| 14:27.15 | ws2k3 | verrify i get: remaning 25171304 unallocated 512 bytes sectoers |
| 14:27.24 | asarch | They don't download anything |
| 14:27.34 | abrotman | asarch: which ones? |
| 14:27.45 | babilen | asarch: The tracker has been seeding right from the start -- See the stats: http://bttracker.acc.umu.se:6969/ |
| 14:27.47 | ws2k3 | so what should i do with fdisk? |
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| 14:27.56 | babilen | s/tracker/seeder |
| 14:27.57 | asarch | This one: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/bt-dvd/debian-6.0.0-i386-DVD-1.iso.torrent |
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| 14:28.21 | abrotman | asarch: i'm personally seeding the netinst and CD1 .. |
| 14:28.31 | xyzp | how most i write in the consol to install firefox-3.6.13.tar.bz2? |
| 14:28.32 | skutr3 | hey can someone help me with the netinstall of debian? |
| 14:28.34 | skutr3 | please |
| 14:28.35 | skutr3 | ? |
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| 14:28.48 | ws2k3 | what kind of help do u wan |
| 14:28.54 | ws2k3 | whats the problem? |
| 14:29.00 | amphi | !tell skutr3 about ask |
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| 14:29.01 | abrotman | xyzp: aptitude install iceweasel |
| 14:29.22 | asarch | Ok. Here we go |
| 14:29.28 | asarch | It's working |
| 14:29.38 | babilen | ws2k3: answer my questions please |
| 14:29.41 | skutr3 | ws2k3: i need help installing |
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| 14:29.52 | ws2k3 | ok what do u need to know |
| 14:30.02 | ws2k3 | or what kind of help do u need with the installion? |
| 14:30.06 | babilen | skutr3: What do you have a problem with? |
| 14:30.20 | babilen | ws2k3: Do you use LVM? |
| 14:30.25 | skutr3 | !tell amphi about ask |
| 14:30.34 | ws2k3 | i dont know |
| 14:30.35 | babilen | skutr3: huh? |
| 14:30.35 | abrotman | skutr3: don't do that |
| 14:31.00 | skutr3 | babilen: installing |
| 14:31.13 | ws2k3 | balilen i just install debian defauly |
| 14:31.18 | ws2k3 | all files in one partition |
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| 14:31.41 | skutr3 | babilen: the whole installation i tried last night but i messed it up and had to fix windows |
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| 14:32.45 | babilen | ws2k3: Ok, and you want to shrink another partition and resize the one used for Debian? |
| 14:33.07 | babilen | !tell skutr3 -about ig |
| 14:33.21 | ws2k3 | i only wanne resize the debian partition |
| 14:33.23 | ws2k3 | i only have one |
| 14:33.29 | xyzp | abrotman, ok, what most i do then? |
| 14:33.30 | ws2k3 | i only have one partition |
| 14:33.36 | babilen | skutr3: The installation guide should answer most of you questions. If you have particular problems ask in here. How did you screw up? |
| 14:33.45 | abrotman | xyzp: i told you |
| 14:34.00 | skutr3 | babilen: does this cover netisntall |
| 14:34.05 | babilen | ws2k3: But the partition size does not match your disk size? Where should the additional space come from? |
| 14:34.08 | babilen | skutr3: Sure |
| 14:34.23 | ws2k3 | i have installed debian in vmware |
| 14:34.37 | babilen | asarch: btw -- that torrent works without a problem |
| 14:34.52 | skutr3 | babilen: idk where i screwed up i just netinstalled and then when it loaded and it was just a black screen and it asked for login |
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| 14:35.17 | abrotman | that is correct |
| 14:35.24 | thewanderer1 | Sl+ process - is it a zombie or not? |
| 14:35.26 | xyzp | abrotman, what is iceweasel? |
| 14:35.32 | robinsmidsrod | what is the /boot/loader.conf equivalent for debian kfreebsd? |
| 14:35.38 | sha | skutr3: sounds like a successful install |
| 14:35.42 | abrotman | xyzp: it's firefox in Debian |
| 14:35.46 | robinsmidsrod | needs to set som parameters |
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| 14:35.55 | abrotman | thewanderer1: doesn't sound like it ... |
| 14:36.06 | ws2k3 | babilen i resized the vmware disk |
| 14:36.09 | xyzp | abrotman, ok thanks |
| 14:36.11 | abrotman | robinsmidsrod: there is a kfreebsd channel on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:36.14 | skutr3 | sha: so that is all debian is then? |
| 14:36.21 | ma3x | is it proper to use 'squeeze' or 'stable' in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 14:36.21 | skutr3 | lol |
| 14:36.46 | sha | skutr3: i don't know what you expected... when you wanted a minimal install without a graphical environment, all went fine |
| 14:36.48 | streuner_ | skutr3: sure, we all machoshits :-P |
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| 14:36.53 | jelly-hme | ma3x: use squeeze |
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| 14:37.03 | babilen | ws2k3: AH! Good you mention that ... yes, then fdisk is the tool you want to use. |
| 14:37.09 | skutr3 | sha: i didnt though |
| 14:37.11 | ws2k3 | babilen so what should i do now |
| 14:37.13 | robinsmidsrod | abrotman: kfreebsd is off-topic here? |
| 14:37.14 | streuner_ | skutr3: you install everything later then... |
| 14:37.17 | ws2k3 | how wich command should i do |
| 14:37.29 | ws2k3 | in fdisk |
| 14:37.40 | skutr3 | sha: i so do graphical install then? |
| 14:37.51 | jelly-hme | robinsmidsrod: it's not, but you might get better answers there |
| 14:37.55 | streuner_ | skutr3: we told you, netinstall should only install essential packages, and you have to install packages later... |
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| 14:38.04 | sha | skutr3: no, its not about graphical installer or text installer |
| 14:38.13 | abrotman | robinsmidsrod: no, but they would likely be more familiar .. it's pretty new to most of us |
| 14:38.21 | thewanderer1 | eh, cherokee-admin just hangs instead of presenting a user interface to me... |
| 14:38.24 | sha | skutr3: anyways, your installation is not "screwed up", you just have to install a graphical environment, when you want it |
| 14:38.24 | rigved | hi...finally squeeze is out...:) |
| 14:38.27 | asarch | I had to restart it babilen |
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| 14:38.38 | skutr3 | sah: how do i do that? |
| 14:38.51 | robinsmidsrod | takes it to OFTC |
| 14:38.54 | jelly-hme | dpkg, tell robinsmidsrod about kfreebsd |
| 14:39.04 | asarch | But now it is working |
| 14:39.10 | qwd | ma3x: always use the code name, because one day stable=wheezy. If you were running "testing" now instead of "squeeze" you'd go straight to wheezy as well. |
| 14:39.18 | xand | OMG |
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| 14:39.56 | sha | skutr3: you could login and use aptitude to install the software you need... or you can install from scratch, but then don't miss to tick that you want a desktop environment |
| 14:39.57 | phaidros | trying a squeeze xen setup, when using xm console (part of xm tools) I get: ERROR! Can't find default version of xen utils, bailing out! |
| 14:40.00 | phaidros | any hints? |
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| 14:40.32 | babilen | ws2k3: Easiest way is probably to use parted |
| 14:40.36 | ma3x | ok thanks |
| 14:40.36 | babilen | !tell ws2k3 -about parted |
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| 14:41.17 | skutr3 | sha: im going to go with the full install |
| 14:41.26 | ws2k3 | babilen i already tryed |
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| 14:41.39 | DotHack | whoho!!! |
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| 14:41.44 | dutchfish | phaidros: have you installed xen-utils-4.0 ? |
| 14:41.49 | babilen | ws2k3: and? |
| 14:41.55 | ws2k3 | when i start parted and i type resize |
| 14:42.00 | ws2k3 | and then partition number 1 |
| 14:42.04 | ws2k3 | i get a error |
| 14:42.10 | babilen | which error? |
| 14:42.11 | Bushmills | ws2k3: is the partition mounted? |
| 14:42.16 | babilen | and ^^^ |
| 14:42.19 | ws2k3 | error file system has incompatible features enabled |
| 14:42.28 | skutr3 | where is a link to the full 4gig squeeze? |
| 14:43.26 | ws2k3 | no |
| 14:43.33 | ws2k3 | u unmounted it before starting parted |
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| 14:43.46 | abrotman | skutr3: you don't need it .. just login and install a GUI .. it takes a little bit, but it's much easier |
| 14:44.03 | skutr3 | abrotman: idk how |
| 14:44.04 | babilen | !tell skutr3 -about install xorg |
| 14:44.22 | abrotman | skutr3: which GUI would oyu like? Gnome? KDE? |
| 14:44.38 | babilen | skutr3: And you want to install a desktop environment. Check Gnome, LXDE, XFCE and KDE and pick one. Then ask how to install that. |
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| 14:44.41 | thingfish | abrotman, good to see you're still here after all these years. |
| 14:44.46 | abrotman | thingfish: hiya! |
| 14:44.47 | noodles900 | lxde? xfce4? |
| 14:44.56 | skutr3 | idk idk |
| 14:45.00 | babilen | ws2k3: Sorry, the wee one needs attention. afk for a while ... |
| 14:45.03 | abrotman | skutr3: which GUI have you used before? |
| 14:45.11 | skutr3 | which one of those is sexiest |
| 14:45.14 | abrotman | skutr3: which GUI have you used before? |
| 14:45.29 | skutr3 | abrotman: whichever one comes with ubuntu |
| 14:45.35 | qwd | skutr3: that's gnome then |
| 14:45.35 | ws2k3 | so somebody else maby? |
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| 14:45.50 | skutr3 | qwd: ok |
| 14:45.51 | abrotman | skutr3: login as root, type `aptitude update; aptitude install gdm gnome xorg' .. then reboot |
| 14:46.10 | skutr3 | ok i have to install again |
| 14:46.11 | skutr3 | lol |
| 14:46.15 | abrotman | no! |
| 14:46.19 | skutr3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:46.23 | abrotman | oh .. that's your fault |
| 14:46.24 | qwd | abrotman: not gdm! |
| 14:46.35 | abrotman | skutr3: login as root, type `aptitude update; aptitude install gdm3 gnome xorg' .. then reboot |
| 14:46.37 | abrotman | better? |
| 14:46.57 | abrotman | it really doesn't matter if he's using gdm or gdm3 .. he just wants a GUI login |
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| 14:47.06 | skutr3 | i got that abrotman i have to reinstall debian though i took it off last night |
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| 14:48.13 | qwd | abrotman: Oh, I thought there might be some conflict considering gnome already depends on gdm3 |
| 14:48.18 | ma3x | apt-get dist-upgrade wants me to remove 55 packages. and apt-get upgrade leaves about 460 not upgraded packages. what should i do |
| 14:48.24 | abrotman | qwd: either can happen |
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| 14:48.31 | abrotman | ma3x: did you read the release notes? |
| 14:48.40 | streuner_ | skutr3: another thing, make sure in the install process, DUAL Boot is supported... |
| 14:48.45 | factor | whatis the process to get the released version of squeeze |
| 14:49.08 | factor | I use unstable with was Squeeze |
| 14:49.18 | abrotman | factor: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 14:49.21 | ma3x | where? |
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| 14:49.23 | factor | so I just change all my apt.conf to stable now |
| 14:49.26 | factor | ok |
| 14:49.28 | skutr3 | streuner_: what do you mean? |
| 14:49.29 | ma3x | ah ok i see |
| 14:49.46 | skutr3 | abrotman: so is this going to look exactly like ubuntu |
| 14:49.53 | qwd | factor: unstable was never squeeze, it was unstable. testing was squeeze. I don't know if you'll have any problems with that though. |
| 14:49.54 | abrotman | hell if i know .. i don't use ubuntu |
| 14:50.00 | raz | oh while i'm here.. another question. what is that status of apt-get vs aptitude, any docs about that? i never liked aptitude much and in the squeeze-upgrade guide the use of apt-get is recommended. will those two converge at some point or what's the deal here? |
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| 14:50.13 | streuner_ | skutr3: the installer should ask you about, i get the feeling you missed something because you got only a "black" screen... |
| 14:50.26 | qwd | skutr3: no it won't since it doesn't have the same theme. it will be gnome just like what you used on ubuntu. I'm sure it's possible to use the same theme if you really want to. |
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| 14:50.35 | abrotman | raz: use whichever you like, most people here will say aptitude .. but no one will hit you in the head if you use apt-get |
| 14:50.54 | grand_grunt | Weird.. the squeeze release is provided with a netinstall CD that includes both i386 and AMD64 platforms.. the netinstall CD is able to detect both and install the right one? |
| 14:50.56 | abrotman | or use cupt if you really want |
| 14:51.10 | raz | abrotman: well. my question was rather hinting towards hitting the person in the head that decided it'd be a good idea to have two competing tools for the same task ;) |
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| 14:51.11 | factor | sorry testing is what i use |
| 14:51.19 | factor | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/gp7uanHG |
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| 14:51.22 | abrotman | raz: far more than two |
| 14:51.28 | raz | abrotman: roundhouse kick. |
| 14:51.44 | abrotman | factor: comment out hte one that says "stable" .. then aptitude update; aptitude full-upgrade .. have fun |
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| 14:51.48 | raz | abrotman: is there any process going on to agree on one and drop the other? i mean, this doesn't make sense, does it? |
| 14:52.02 | abrotman | raz: they work differently |
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| 14:52.07 | abrotman | and have different functions |
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| 14:52.22 | raz | abrotman: yes, but they are redundant |
| 14:52.28 | abrotman | not really |
| 14:52.34 | manhunter | abrotman, hi |
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| 14:52.39 | abrotman | FE, aptitude has no 'source' function |
| 14:52.45 | abrotman | and apt-get has no TUI interface |
| 14:52.47 | abrotman | manhunter: hi |
| 14:53.00 | qwd | raz: The preferred program for interactive package management from a terminal is aptitude. For a non-interactive command line interface for package management, it is recommended to use apt-get. apt-get is also the preferred tool for upgrades between major releases. (from http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#pkgmgmt ) |
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| 14:53.10 | manhunter | abrotman, which debian version do you use? |
| 14:53.12 | factor | abrotman, since I have squeeze it should automatically get stable , just comment out the first line that says stable |
| 14:53.21 | manhunter | abrotman, lenny/squeeze/sid ? |
| 14:53.21 | abrotman | manhunter: this machine is on squeeze |
| 14:53.26 | abrotman | factor: right |
| 14:53.32 | abrotman | manhunter: in a week or so, i'll move to wheezy |
| 14:53.34 | raz | i say they should be merged |
| 14:53.36 | factor | abrotman, k |
| 14:53.48 | raz | unless there's a good reason why there should be two tools for effectively the same task |
| 14:53.59 | abrotman | raz: aptitude also has a much more advanced problem solver .. though someitmes it gets in trouble with it |
| 14:54.03 | manhunter | abrotman, wheezy ! what is that ? |
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| 14:54.14 | abrotman | raz: what about synaptic? adept? cupt? apt2 ? |
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| 14:54.21 | abrotman | !tell manhunter about wheezy |
| 14:54.48 | factor | abrotman, ok apt-get upgrading int |
| 14:54.51 | factor | ing^ |
| 14:55.04 | abrotman | sorry, 'apt2' is now 'ups' |
| 14:55.13 | abrotman | judd: info ups --release unstable |
| 14:55.15 | judd | No record of package 'ups' in sid/i386. |
| 14:55.17 | abrotman | hrm |
| 14:55.30 | raz | abrotman: none of them get the treatment as "official" like aptitude. i.e. you'll find about as many guides suggesting apt-get as well as aptitude. it's a source of confusion. |
| 14:55.40 | abrotman | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/08/msg00321.html |
| 14:56.01 | abrotman | raz: interestingly, many novice users never see apt-get or aptitude |
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| 14:56.32 | raz | abrotman: i'd say the confusion starts at intermediate users. |
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| 14:56.52 | abrotman | raz: if the backends were merged, that'd be fine |
| 14:56.53 | dadava | hi! |
| 14:56.54 | raz | i.e. make a poll, ask 100 users about the difference between apt-get and aptitude - and which to use for what |
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| 14:57.05 | raz | you'll probably get 98 "uh, no idea" |
| 14:57.06 | sanmarcos | is it safe for me to upgrade a lenny with backports to squeeze, and where can I find instructions? |
| 14:57.07 | raz | 98% |
| 14:57.25 | abrotman | raz: they don't sound very 'intermediate' :) |
| 14:57.36 | abrotman | !tell sanmarcos about lenny release notes |
| 14:57.38 | abrotman | erm |
| 14:57.43 | abrotman | !tell sanmarcos about squeeze release notes |
| 14:57.46 | abrotman | sorry .. knee jerk :) |
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| 14:58.07 | manhunter | abrotman, why wheezy ? what's the problem with squeeze ? |
| 14:58.07 | raz | abrotman: heh. i'm just making stuff up here. just saying, as a >8yr debian user even I'm not quite sure what the deal is. |
| 14:58.16 | abrotman | manhunter: nothing, use squeeze |
| 14:58.22 | dadava | my repos are in testing... why im not in wheezy yet? |
| 14:58.27 | abrotman | dadava: you are |
| 14:58.31 | raz | sometimes i use aptitude, most of the itme i use apt-get. and often i wonder why there are two equal tools for the same thing. |
| 14:58.45 | abrotman | raz: but they aren't exactly equal .. that's what i'm saying |
| 14:59.18 | manhunter | i use aptitude |
| 14:59.32 | qwd | !why aptitude |
| 14:59.33 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades (lenny->squeeze) apt-get is better though. Be careful. |
| 14:59.54 | raz | abrotman: yea, to sum it up, i'm saying debian should decide for one and drop the other. |
| 15:00.00 | dadava | abrotman, lsb_release -d print this: Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 (squeeze) |
| 15:00.03 | raz | </rant> ;) |
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| 15:00.08 | abrotman | raz: they still do different things :) |
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| 15:00.16 | raz | grrr |
| 15:00.18 | abrotman | dadava: and it will for a bit .. just ignore it |
| 15:00.22 | manhunter | abrotman, why would you go for the next testing version , why not with the stable version of debian ? |
| 15:00.30 | abrotman | raz: i know, it's confusing ... but they still do different things |
| 15:00.33 | abrotman | manhunter: because i can |
| 15:00.43 | manhunter | abrotman, what ? |
| 15:00.45 | dadava | abrotman, i think so... ok tnks ! =) |
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| 15:00.53 | zgreg | I wonder, is there any rationale for the changes regarding firmware inclusion? What stops Debian from shipping redistributable blobs? |
| 15:01.04 | raz | abrotman: yea as said. then the missing features from one should be merged into the other. |
| 15:01.19 | sanmarcos | so squeeze has no more volatile? |
| 15:01.33 | sanmarcos | lenny->squeeze says "Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze" |
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| 15:02.04 | zgreg | I was just discussing this with someone. It seems that in most cases there are no legal reasons why firmware cannot be shipped |
| 15:02.11 | zgreg | Or are there? |
| 15:02.11 | qwd | zgreg: the social policy? |
| 15:02.57 | manhunter | abrotman, you can what ? |
| 15:02.58 | zgreg | is that part of the debian policy? |
| 15:03.03 | abrotman | raz: really, it's about choice :) |
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| 15:03.08 | qwd | zgreg: http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
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| 15:03.22 | abrotman | !tell zgreg about social contract |
| 15:03.26 | zgreg | I just think it was a really really bad idea to not include firmware by default |
| 15:03.28 | raz | abrotman: what's the pkg tool for gentoo? emerge. readhat? yum. debian? uhh, apt-get.. and well, aptitude. |
| 15:03.49 | abrotman | raz: you mean yum/rpm ? :) |
| 15:04.02 | raz | abrotman: i'm not arguing apt-get/dpkg, that split makes sense. ;) |
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| 15:04.17 | raz | i'm arguing the separated siamese twin of apt-get :P |
| 15:04.17 | zgreg | abrotman: so there are no legal reasons? |
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| 15:04.28 | abrotman | zgreg: in some cases, there are |
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| 15:04.45 | zgreg | abrotman: I know, but most firmware is perfectly redistributable |
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| 15:05.01 | zgreg | ideology aside, I think this was a bad decision |
| 15:05.13 | abrotman | zgreg: well, you're in luck |
| 15:05.19 | abrotman | !tell zgreg about installer firmware |
| 15:05.26 | zgreg | much hardware needs firmware, this creates a lot of practical problems |
| 15:05.27 | abrotman | !tell zgreg about firmware images |
| 15:05.33 | UnknownHero | Hello, i tried install gde and xorg, and installed vnc4server, when i tried to run "startx" got error: Fatal server error: |
| 15:05.34 | UnknownHero | xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (No such file or directory) |
| 15:05.35 | zgreg | abrotman: I know about these |
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| 15:05.48 | UnknownHero | os is debian running on vps (openvz) |
| 15:05.48 | zgreg | abrotman: you don't need to spam me :) |
| 15:06.04 | abrotman | zgreg: it's not spam .. i'm just sharing info |
| 15:06.23 | zgreg | maybe it would have been a wiser choice to include firmware in the default images and offer a "pure" variant for those people who want it |
| 15:06.39 | abrotman | zgreg: I don't disagree with you, but i understand the decision |
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| 15:07.33 | qwd | zgreg: or maybe not considering the debian social contract? it's unfortunate that you bought hardware which requires nonfree firmware but it's not like the firmware was removed, you can still get it. |
| 15:08.26 | abrotman | qwd: uh, it was removed |
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| 15:09.06 | zgreg | qwd: I know you can still get it and I know about the social contract. it's just that I think debian is a bit too strict. or in other words, too ideological. |
| 15:09.16 | qwd | abrotman: well, I guess that depends on how you look at it, it was moved to non-free :) |
| 15:09.26 | sanmarcos | when I press Y on a config change, the old file is saved as .dpkg-old right? |
| 15:10.12 | abrotman | qwd: it was in the installer, it's not now ... |
| 15:10.16 | abrotman | sanmarcos: yes |
| 15:11.11 | sanmarcos | abrotman: there is still volatile in squeeze right, I just disable it for the upgrade?, thanks for the links by the way |
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| 15:11.33 | abrotman | sanmarcos: read the release notes, it tells you |
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| 15:12.16 | sanmarcos | abrotman: 2.1.8 thanks! |
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| 15:18.00 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 15:18.00 | dpkg | <legba7> How do i find out what makes my woody beep and do not stop to beep till i create another beep. |
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| 15:27.05 | sanmarcos | should I worry about this lenny->squeeze http://gist.github.com/65968c42580d4ca0777d |
| 15:27.26 | abrotman | you could easily fix that |
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| 15:27.42 | sanmarcos | how? |
| 15:28.01 | abrotman | they just want a .conf extension .. man rename |
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| 15:29.03 | juniorsa | Hi, I would like some advice of how to do a home setup. I have a web server that gets all port 80 requests from the router so it can be accessed externally, when I am on my lan, I find the performance is not so good unless I access this server via the local internal access, is there a best practice for this type of situation? any link on the subject would be appreciated, thoughts? |
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| 15:29.52 | Linuturk | with the freebsd kernel using the debian userland now, does that mean a) all packages for debian work on the freebsd kernel debian b) jails are now available? |
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| 15:30.56 | abrotman | Linuturk: i doubt *all* packages are available .. and one owuld assume jails are there |
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| 15:34.10 | juniorsa | does anyone have suggestions? local dns? setup a caching server and resolve to local lan for domain? |
| 15:34.37 | Linuturk | is it possible to use the freebsd ports tree in debian? |
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| 15:36.06 | abrotman | !kfreebsd |
| 15:36.06 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 were released as "technology preview" for Squeeze, ask me about <install guide>. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:36.18 | abrotman | that #debian-kbsd may know more .. it's pretty new to most of us |
| 15:36.24 | Linuturk | thanks |
| 15:36.24 | toropisco | Linuturk: No. You may have luck with pkgsrc though. |
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| 15:38.07 | dvs | still demands hurd! ;-) |
| 15:38.13 | hid3 | will there be Debian GNU/NetBSD? |
| 15:38.24 | hid3 | I would prefer this much more |
| 15:38.37 | hid3 | FreeBSD's kernel is doggy |
| 15:38.42 | poli | I am trying to find this patch: http://patch-tracking.debian.net/patch/series/view/rssh/2.3.2-8/rsync-protocol but seems like it doesn't exist anymore. Was it transfered somewhere? |
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| 15:49.02 | dyek | Hi! Anybody knows how monitor is detected on Linux? I suspect that it isn't depending on /usr/share/hwdata/MonitorsDB (as the file doesn't contain Dell UltraSharp U2311H, and yet Debian kernel is able to detect it.) Initrd's modules.order doesn't appear to be it too. Is there some other mechanism that allows monitor recognition? Does the recognition depend on udev (hotplug) rules? Any suggestion on where I should look? |
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| 15:49.59 | GNU\colossus | dyek, your monitor provides data about itseld in an EDID block that the kernel's DRM and your video card retrieve over the cable connecting those two hardware parts |
| 15:50.24 | GNU\colossus | in the old, non-KMS days, it was probably the Xorg DDX who retrieved this data. |
| 15:50.28 | GNU\colossus | why do you ask? |
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| 15:52.39 | otzi | hello. Anyone know of a program that allows me to hear what the mic is capturing in real time |
| 15:52.49 | dutchfish | poli: http://patch-tracker.debian.org/package/rssh/2.3.2-8 |
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| 15:53.57 | dyek | Thanks! GNU\colossus. I had a problem with Debian's Nouveau DRM code in the kernel. So, I follow their recommendation to build a Nouveau Linux kernel using Debian's .config and build script (from the .diff file in Debian's source package). It booted fine, but with only the difference in the kernel, the monitor isn't detected after Nouveau kernel booted. So, I am hoping to find out what is missing in Nouveau kernel and fix that so that I can use |
| 15:53.57 | dyek | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:54.54 | abrotman | otzi: audacity used to let you |
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| 15:55.24 | GNU\colossus | dyek, some combinations of nouveau version and NVIDIA hardware require non-free firmware blobs to work, afaik. you might be lacking needed firmware for your card to work as intended. |
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| 15:59.58 | eshat | How can I find out, if vlc plays videos with hardware acceleration ? |
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| 16:00.53 | raz | meh. the squeeze upgrade blew up my boot from raid1. |
| 16:01.09 | raz | it shouldn't fail on such a basic thing |
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| 16:01.26 | thingfish | eshat: I'd look on their website for that kind of information. |
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| 16:01.54 | dyek | GNU\colossus: Thanks again. Yeah, but poking around in the initrd, I can't find the new initrd lacks anything compared to that from Debian. The root FS is the same, so I thought it could only be the difference in initrd. |
| 16:01.59 | thingfish | eshat: it's probably in the release notes somewhere. |
| 16:02.09 | raz | it seems initrd doesn't discover the raid anymore (drops me to shell, can't find md0). i can mount md0 from the rescue cd. any idea how to fix this? |
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| 16:02.15 | otzi | I've been trying audacity I haven't found how to use that feature |
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| 16:02.59 | bp0 | after upgrade tab auto-complete breaks when using sudo |
| 16:03.32 | Corin | Upgrade to what? :o |
| 16:03.39 | bp0 | sudo nano /etc/<tab> ---> bash: complete: nano: no completion specification |
| 16:03.44 | bp0 | lenny->squeeze |
| 16:04.12 | Corin | That's absurd! Only Sid can have bugs! :O |
| 16:04.34 | ZykoticK9 | bp0, i upgraded from lenny to squeeze and my sudo tab complete works |
| 16:04.34 | rambam | Why does Debian install GNOME as the default desktop environment? |
| 16:04.44 | poli | dutchfish: thanks |
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| 16:04.50 | Corin | rambam: Because GNOME is popular? |
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| 16:05.09 | earthian | Hi is anybody experiencing a very slow connection on the debian uk mirror? |
| 16:05.15 | Corin | You can install it with KDE or Xfce/LXDE, I'm pretty sure. |
| 16:05.18 | abrotman | earthian: so use another .. there are many |
| 16:05.27 | AimHere | You can install it with none of the three too, if you like |
| 16:05.29 | access_d | earthian: not sure what mirror i'm on right now, but i'm getting about 20k/s :( |
| 16:05.29 | earthian | 10 minutes ago i had 1.3mbps but now it dropped to 20kbps :/ |
| 16:05.30 | froschi | rambam: gnome was full-featured and free, wehn K wasn't |
| 16:05.35 | Bushmills | rambam: to prevent people from asking why debian default desktop is ion3 |
| 16:05.38 | AimHere | Something's got to be default. |
| 16:05.40 | earthian | ok. so its not only me :) |
| 16:05.43 | abrotman | Bushmills: that's easy :) |
| 16:05.53 | hid3 | all mirrors are slow now |
| 16:05.56 | abrotman | Bushmills: ion3 is non-free :) |
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| 16:06.09 | hsa2 | hello |
| 16:06.14 | access_d | earthian: caesar.acc.umu.se |
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| 16:06.28 | earthian | nevermind I will go make coffee while i wait :) |
| 16:06.38 | Bushmills | s/ion3/awesome/ :) |
| 16:06.45 | bp0 | ZykoticK9, sudo nano ? |
| 16:06.47 | AusME | Google isn't helping much. Does anyone know what version of Gnome is in the ia64 Debian 6.0 release? |
| 16:06.49 | jvm | hi. i am running rkhunter hourly in a cron script on my debian lenny server, and noticed that apparently random over the last 9 months it reported 6 times "Warning: Network TCP port x is being used by /usr/lib/libice.log. Possible rootkit: y" with both x and y being changing variables. an hour later the message is gone. now i would think it is just a random and unimportant occurrence. but could someone tell that i am most likely right about tha |
| 16:06.49 | jvm | t, to release some of my fear? |
| 16:06.51 | rambam | But why not present me with a choice of what environment? |
| 16:07.07 | hsa2 | i am now using ubuntu, but due to flash' sound latency problem i am thinking of switching to debian |
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| 16:07.28 | hsa2 | but the last time i try to install debian, it didn't recognize my on board sound card :) |
| 16:07.44 | Bushmills | debian might be sub-ideal for flash based environment |
| 16:07.47 | hsa2 | and also, i want to make sure sound latency problem doesn't exist on debian |
| 16:07.51 | AimHere | You do have the choice of environment |
| 16:07.52 | ZykoticK9 | bp0, "sudo nano /etc/"<TAB> gives "Display all 212 possibilities? (y or n)" |
| 16:07.52 | thewanderer1 | jvm: there should normally be no runnable programs in /usr/lib... it looks wrong |
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| 16:08.38 | bp0 | hmm |
| 16:08.44 | bp0 | no idea whats going on then |
| 16:09.04 | jvm | thewanderer1, the erlang interpreter running ejabberd is located there, apparently. |
| 16:09.12 | jvm | maybe that's it? |
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| 16:09.54 | thewanderer1 | jvm: yes, that could be it, but check the port numbers and whether they correspond to anything legitimate |
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| 16:12.22 | AimHere | rambam, if you were presented with a couple of dozen choices of window manager setup, then it's quite likely a random newbie would pick some tiling window manager like larswm or even something like openbox or twm and it would be no more newbie-friendly than before. |
| 16:12.36 | thewanderer1 | jvm: what is the exact filename from the report? |
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| 16:13.17 | jvm | thewanderer1, one of the complete messages would be "Warning: Network TCP port 47107 is being used by /usr/lib/libice.log. Possible rootkit: T0rn |
| 16:13.18 | jvm | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.40 | thewanderer1 | libice.log is not a Debian thing, you have something unwanted there |
| 16:13.45 | AimHere | Won't the '-p' flag for netstat be the one you want |
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| 16:15.29 | jvm | thewanderer1, as mentioned, i can not ever reproduce the effect in an rkhunter run, or locate the file mentioned, or see the port open at the time of a manual checkup. now i do not know if rkhunter maybe just sees some open port x, thinks "oh, i know some rootkit that's using it" and reports it along with whatever. for example http://osdir.com/ml/fedora-list/2010-01/msg00399.html describes a similar problem, but with thunderbird-bin being the f |
| 16:15.30 | jvm | ile mentioned... mhmm. |
| 16:16.01 | thewanderer1 | do you have such file on your system? |
| 16:16.06 | thewanderer1 | (/usr/lib/libice.log) |
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| 16:17.08 | jvm | thewanderer1, no. not at the time of manually checking, at least. |
| 16:17.20 | stuckey | {41444d494e}: libgthread-2.0.so.0 |
| 16:17.22 | stuckey | where do I find that? |
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| 16:17.44 | AimHere | If you're dealing with a semi-clever rootkit author, it might be a good plan to run rkhunter from a liveCD, if you've not done so already. |
| 16:18.02 | AimHere | And you can bring yourself to shut your server down of course |
| 16:18.03 | thewanderer1 | stuckey: libglib2.0-0 |
| 16:18.35 | thewanderer1 | jvm: grep -d recurse libice.log /etc/init.d/ #does it output anything? |
| 16:18.46 | stuckey | thewanderer1: yeah that's installed but I'm running a program and it says it can't find it. |
| 16:18.52 | stuckey | error while loading shared libraries: libgthread-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 16:19.00 | jvm | AimHere, unfortunately, it is a production virtual server i have no hardware access to. |
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| 16:19.06 | jvm | thewanderer1, it dosn't. |
| 16:19.21 | thewanderer1 | jvm: how about grepping /sbin/init ? |
| 16:19.56 | thewanderer1 | strings /sbin/init | grep libice |
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| 16:20.14 | jvm | it does not, either. grepping whole /usr now, it's not as if i had anything better to do... |
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| 16:20.39 | thewanderer1 | do you have debsums installed? |
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| 16:20.53 | thewanderer1 | (needs being installed before now) |
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| 16:21.45 | bp0 | i've got another problem, mysql won't start after lenny->squeeze |
| 16:21.59 | thewanderer1 | jvm: also, install chkrootkit now - it should detect something. |
| 16:22.02 | hid3 | very common problem |
| 16:22.11 | bp0 | 110206 10:20:17 [ERROR] Can't open the mysql.plugin table. Please run mysql_upgrade to create it. |
| 16:22.16 | jvm | thewanderer1, i have not. however, the rkhunter md5 checks should be sufficient, or not? |
| 16:22.17 | hid3 | I think you need to apt-get mysql-server-5.1 |
| 16:22.18 | bp0 | anyone have that? |
| 16:22.20 | hid3 | or similar package |
| 16:22.35 | thewanderer1 | jvm: not if it's a kernel exploit - I'm specifically thinking about Suckit rootkit |
| 16:22.37 | hid3 | bp0: YES ;-D |
| 16:22.45 | jvm | thewanderer1, chkrootkit is running along with rkhunter in the cron script, and is perfectly happy. (except for one ejabberd known false positive.) |
| 16:23.04 | jvm | thewanderer1, we are talking about a virtual server. kernel exploits should be out of the question? |
| 16:23.08 | sanmarcos | is this a problem https://img.skitch.com/20110206-pttfdu3tsiqxjrywk8xxi92e8f.jpg ? |
| 16:23.15 | bp0 | hid3, sorry, thanks i'll try that |
| 16:23.19 | thewanderer1 | jvm: no, why? are you in OpenVZ? |
| 16:23.42 | sanmarcos | error: Problems detected: insserv: script console-screen.kbd.sh: service console-screen already provided!, , package kbd removed but not purged |
| 16:24.17 | jvm | thewanderer1, ive root access, but can not change the kernel. it is being managed and updated by the provider. |
| 16:24.26 | bp0 | hid3, thanks, it works |
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| 16:25.27 | Corin | Root is supreme. :o |
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| 16:26.08 | thewanderer1 | jvm: that was not my question... it's possible to hijack the kernel even if you are netbooting |
| 16:26.20 | thewanderer1 | or launching it via Xen or QEMU or UML... |
| 16:26.42 | jvm | thewanderer1, mhmmmm... okay. |
| 16:26.53 | thewanderer1 | the attacker can just insmod his own module and you're doomed |
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| 16:27.57 | jvm | thewanderer1, why does rkhunter inconsistenly show different ports associated with different rootkits? does that not suggest that a) rkhunter does not actually know the malware actually deployed or b) we are dealing with a false positive? |
| 16:28.34 | thewanderer1 | jvm: yes, it implies one of the two |
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| 16:29.04 | thewanderer1 | however, the file mentioned (libice.log) is not a part of any Debian package - what is more, it has been mentioned as a known part of malware |
| 16:29.42 | Tuurlijk | Can anyone tell me why www-data user needs a shell in Squeeze? |
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| 16:29.57 | thewanderer1 | Tuurlijk: how do you know that it does? |
| 16:30.46 | Tuurlijk | the base-passwd package updates my /etc/passwd and changes the sheel from nologin to sh |
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| 16:33.11 | thewanderer1 | Tuurlijk: well, perhaps it's the default... some CGI scripts and WWW servers like to execute shell scripts to launch other programs, like the HTTPD when it forks and fires a FastCGI process |
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| 16:34.21 | daemonkeeper | This is default, yes. And the reason is pretty much what you told. www-data is used for server side script processing as well, and most likely some web apps in Debian need it. |
| 16:34.42 | Tuurlijk | ok, thx |
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| 16:35.29 | ZykoticK9 | How can I remove Abiword without installing OpenOffice.org? LibreOffice is already installed. |
| 16:35.45 | thewanderer1 | err what? you simply uninstall it... |
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| 16:36.37 | gribouille | hi |
| 16:36.53 | gribouille | how can I get a list of all packages providing ftp-server ? |
| 16:36.56 | daemonkeeper | Abiword is not related to OpenOffice? |
| 16:37.18 | ZykoticK9 | thewanderer1, ya with apt-get it tells me OO.o will be install during the remove - trying with aptitude and it doesn't seem to be happening. Issue seem to be caused by gnome-office package. |
| 16:37.56 | daemonkeeper | gnome-office might be a meta package |
| 16:37.59 | apollo13 | ZykoticK9: kill gnome-office then |
| 16:38.03 | apollo13 | yeah it's a meta package |
| 16:38.26 | ZykoticK9 | thanks guys - aptitude FTW (gotta break my Ubuntu habits) |
| 16:38.51 | apollo13 | hu? don't see how that's related to aptitude |
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| 16:39.15 | ZykoticK9 | apollo13, aptitude removed abiword with only minor complaints ;) |
| 16:40.09 | gribouille | how can I get a list of all packages providing ftp-server ? |
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| 16:43.06 | jvm | thewanderer1, AimHere, thanks for your help. enjoy your day. |
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| 16:43.13 | sanmarcos | gribouille: tag-search maybe |
| 16:43.21 | themill | dpkg: tell gribouille about ubuntu |
| 16:43.39 | ZykoticK9 | I'm trying to remove apps I never use: Abiword, Brasero |
| 16:43.44 | themill | gribouille: (apt-cache showpkg ftp-server) |
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| 16:43.50 | sanmarcos | if I dont install a new configuration, does it get saved as dpkg.new? |
| 16:43.54 | ZykoticK9 | sorry - wrong window to hit enter in |
| 16:43.55 | Raydiation | congratz, nice new webdesign! |
| 16:44.05 | pipeline | sanmarcos: no, but dpkg also won't overwrite your existing config |
| 16:44.13 | sanmarcos | ah so it is better to always say Y |
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| 16:44.46 | gribouille | ok, thanks |
| 16:44.47 | apollo13 | sanmarcos: no, you read the diff and do what makes more sense |
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| 16:45.48 | sanmarcos | apollo13: sometimes I want to merge what snew with whats mine |
| 16:45.58 | sanmarcos | dpkg doesnt give me that option, I have to say Y and then go and merge it from -old |
| 16:45.58 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, sanmarcos |
| 16:46.02 | ZykoticK9 | I'm trying to remove apps I never use: Abiword, Brasero, Ekiga, etc. but this keeps trying to remove all of Gnome, is this just more trouble then it's worth? Or can I remove the gnome or gnome-desktop-environment meta package to stop the dependency checking (without remove Gnome itself)? |
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| 16:46.19 | daemonkeeper | That's again a meta package |
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| 16:47.07 | ZykoticK9 | daemonkeeper, i agree - can the meta package(s) be manually removed somehow, without removing Gnome itself? |
| 16:47.20 | daemonkeeper | You don't remove anything actually |
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| 16:47.31 | daemonkeeper | You can safely remove meta packages without damaging something |
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| 16:47.40 | ZykoticK9 | daemonkeeper, "aptitude remove gnome" will actually remove everything though? |
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| 16:49.12 | mihi | daemonkeeper: you should be careful though when you have marked packages as automatically installed in aptitude, as those will be removed if nobody depends on them any more :) |
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| 16:50.27 | daemonkeeper | Which is most likely ZykoticK9's problem |
| 16:50.37 | rgr | which package gives an applet to monitor mail that I can add to my gnome panel? Neither gnubigg or cgmail have added something to the applets I can add. |
| 16:50.47 | rgr | gnubiff |
| 16:50.58 | ZykoticK9 | ya, I'll just leave them and delete the menu entries |
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| 16:52.21 | rambam | gnubeef |
| 16:52.39 | sanmarcos | ok, apt-get dist-upgrade failedErrors were encountered while processing: calendarserver |
| 16:52.41 | sanmarcos | what do I do? |
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| 16:52.54 | toropisco | ZykoticK9: use the menu editor instead. Right click on the applications menu and... |
| 16:52.55 | daemonkeeper | ZykoticK9: Or use apt-get. |
| 16:53.18 | daemonkeeper | ZykoticK9: There might be a solution for aptitude, but I'm not really used to it. |
| 16:53.32 | ZykoticK9 | daemonkeeper, i started with apt-get - same issue(s) |
| 16:53.56 | gribouille | with apt or deb, is it possible to list the documentation files in a package ? |
| 16:53.57 | ZykoticK9 | toropisco, done ;) daemonkeeper thanks for the input! |
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| 16:54.04 | rambam | AimHere: (sorry for the delay) So why not remove all the choices one has in the installer? |
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| 16:54.32 | daemonkeeper | gribouille: /usr/share/doc/<package name>. This is required by the Debian policy. |
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| 16:55.46 | gribouille | daemonkeeper, the man pages aren't included |
| 16:56.09 | AimHere | That would also be newbie unfriendly. Giving the new guy a reasonable default if he asks for 'Desktop environment' works because (s)he at least isn't completely lost from the outset, and letting it be overridden by anyone who has half a clue what they're doing works because everyone is different |
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| 16:56.31 | daemonkeeper | gribouille: Ah, you mean man pages? |
| 16:56.41 | gribouille | daemonkeeper, I mean all documentation |
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| 16:57.29 | gribouille | daemonkeeper, are files in a package tagged as configuration or documentation, etc ? |
| 16:57.45 | daemonkeeper | Configuration yes, documentation no. |
| 16:57.47 | rambam | AimHere: Maybe they think "No, I don't want an environment, I want to be alone." and then unchecks that. |
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| 16:58.09 | gribouille | daemonkeeper, ok, thanks |
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| 16:58.20 | AimHere | That's also a good option, probably for someone who knows what they're doing |
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| 16:59.21 | AimHere | Anyone completely clueless and lost at the DOS prompt either gives up and we never hear from them again, or reinstalls from scratch |
| 16:59.31 | AimHere | DOS-style prompt, ;) |
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| 16:59.51 | rambam | AimHere: So it's not very newbie friendly. |
| 16:59.58 | sanmarcos | anyone else have conflicts with console-screen.kbd.sh and console-screen with the new boto process in squeeze? |
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| 17:01.05 | stuckey | ./unetbootin-linux-494: error while loading shared libraries: libgthread-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 17:01.13 | stuckey | I get that when trying to run unetbootin, but I have libglib installed. |
| 17:01.15 | stuckey | What do? |
| 17:01.28 | AimHere | If you pick the wrong install options, it might be slightly problematic. But I can't see how giving a choice of 20 ways to configure your desktop at the outset improves that. |
| 17:01.55 | AimHere | Except that you have the choice already, if you bother to look for it. |
| 17:02.03 | xyzp | abrotman, en fråga om iceweasel? |
| 17:02.19 | sanmarcos | ok goot it dpkg âpurge kbd did it |
| 17:02.28 | sanmarcos | is there a way to find all packages which are removed but not purged with dpkg? |
| 17:02.37 | gribouille | daemonkeeper, how can I get a list of configuration files in a package ? |
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| 17:03.20 | peterS | gribouille: 'dpkg -L packagename' shows all the files. configuration files generally live in /etc so | grep /etc |
| 17:03.31 | rambam | AimHere: So why even give a choice of having it or not? |
| 17:03.49 | peterS | gribouille: but note that if a configuration file is not _shipped_ by the package, it won't be listed there, even if the package uses it when it exists |
| 17:04.10 | gribouille | peterS, ok, thanks |
| 17:04.30 | AimHere | Errr, because this is Debian. Many, many, Debian users want the ability to change stuff. |
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| 17:04.47 | rambam | AimHere: So Debian is not for newbies? |
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| 17:04.58 | AimHere | Debian is for everybody |
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| 17:05.15 | xyzp | i newbie |
| 17:05.17 | AimHere | It's a general purpose OS |
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| 17:05.52 | daemonkeeper | gribouille: Generally speaking you might find apropos helpful. Regarding conffiles: dpkg-query -W -f='${Conffiles}\n' bash |
| 17:06.23 | Sicelo | rambam: I'm one dumb newbie myself, but decided to use Debian instead of the others, and I am very pleased with my decision :) |
| 17:06.26 | daemonkeeper | As peterS said, files in /etc are automatically tagged as conffile. |
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| 17:06.51 | peterS | well, automatically by default if you use debhelper (: but who doesn't |
| 17:06.58 | gribouille | ok, thanks |
| 17:07.45 | thewanderer1 | builds files with dpkg-deb |
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| 17:08.34 | niklaswe | Â |
| 17:08.35 | daemonkeeper | thewanderer1: That doesn't exclude each other |
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| 17:09.01 | mihi | sanmarcos: dpkg -l | grep ^rc |
| 17:10.07 | rambam | AimHere: Newbie unfriendly general purpose OS. |
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| 17:10.35 | sanmarcos | dpkg -l|grep -E "^rc" |awk '{ print $2 }'|xargs dpkg --purge |
| 17:10.35 | dpkg | sanmarcos: no idea |
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| 17:10.40 | sanmarcos | got it |
| 17:10.58 | Sicelo | rambam: it has been very friendly to me |
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| 17:13.39 | Sicelo | rambam: what other distro have you used besides Debian? |
| 17:13.46 | rambam | Sicelo: I was thinking in the lines of grandmothers and such extreme cases |
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| 17:14.02 | rambam | Sicelo: A lot. From around '97. |
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| 17:14.50 | user0 | how do you check if a package is installed as a normal user? |
| 17:14.51 | Sicelo | rambam: ok |
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| 17:15.12 | dvs | user0: dpkg -l <package name> |
| 17:15.21 | user0 | ty |
| 17:15.24 | xyzp | a questin about iceweasel, i have firefox ver 2.0 now and have install iceweasel, |
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| 17:16.58 | macrobat | xyzp: what question? |
| 17:17.18 | nollidj | hi there. i just upgraded a system from lenny to squeeze, and now an lvm group living on a raid isn't appearing in /dev/mapper. the raid is assembled properly, but i set it not to be assembled at boot time (i think) in the upgrade from lenny to squeeze. anyone know how to kick lvm or do something else to try to recover the volumes on the raid? i already tried vgscan/lvm vgscan |
| 17:17.20 | macrobat | iceweasel has version 3.5.16-4 in squeeze |
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| 17:17.59 | Bushmills | rambam: distinguish between "using" and "administrating" an OS |
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| 17:18.05 | user0 | dvs : so if dpkg shows any info regarding a package that would mean its installed , correct? |
| 17:18.15 | xyzp | does the bookmarks follow too the iceweasel from my firefox 2.0? |
| 17:18.18 | macrobat | idk if it matters, there was some lvm2 bug |
| 17:18.30 | Bushmills | easy-to-use checkboxes don't make a skilled admin from a user |
| 17:18.30 | macrobat | xyzp: you can import bookmarks |
| 17:18.47 | nollidj | user0: look at the explanatory header when you run dpkg -l |
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| 17:19.15 | xyzp | macrobat, ok |
| 17:19.25 | nollidj | user0: the first two characters tell you the status of the package. for example, ii means installed, rc means removed but config not necessarily purged |
| 17:19.44 | rambam | Bushmills: What brought you that question? |
| 17:20.03 | Bushmills | even though some systems seem to want to suggest that if the user interface is simple, anything you'd want to do with the system must consequently be simple as well. "what brought you..." : your grandmother |
| 17:20.06 | user0 | ty |
| 17:20.16 | nollidj | macrobat: ah, i'll check. maybe i should have checked bugs before upgrading so hastily |
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| 17:21.05 | asperon | hi guys, i just updated to squeeze and the sys-rv migration failed, what should i do to fix it? |
| 17:21.16 | asperon | i dont belive i have anything in there that i need to keep |
| 17:21.17 | Bushmills | your grandma would probably need somebody to set up the system in a way which suits her anyway. |
| 17:21.21 | asperon | is there a purge option? |
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| 17:21.40 | themill | asperon: sticking the actual error in a pastebin would be helpful |
| 17:22.00 | asperon | themill: ill do that as soon as the dist-upgrade is done |
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| 17:22.39 | rambam | Bushmills: Does the same apply to other popular operating systems? I don't think they ask if the user wants a desktop environment. |
| 17:22.51 | user0 | is there a way to install dependencies in /home/user to be able to compile something? |
| 17:23.24 | bassliner | user0: it is. |
| 17:23.34 | thewanderer1 | rambam: the installer is supposed to be run by the user qualified to perform this operation :P |
| 17:23.57 | bassliner | user0: you could have a look at the netbsd ports system which you could even use to compile their ports on any linux. |
| 17:24.05 | bassliner | user0: and see how they do it |
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| 17:24.28 | Bushmills | i suppose that's true for other systems too, but some appear to want to hide the fact that for some - sometimes necessary - operations, one would benefit from having more OS admin skills than the average grandma. |
| 17:24.28 | user0 | ty i'll look that up |
| 17:24.32 | bassliner | user0: i'm not sure how exactly it's done but i've done that without root on a machine and it works. |
| 17:24.46 | user0 | if theres any other ways to do this please let me know |
| 17:25.04 | myrawbin | why cant i use my eth0:0 ip on irc? irssi -h ip |
| 17:25.07 | user0 | i need all these libungif4-dev libungif-bin libpng12-dev libpng12-0 libjasper1 libjasper-dev libjpeg62 libjpeg62-dev zlib1g build-essential |
| 17:25.11 | rambam | thewanderer1: So if the installer is all CLI, I'd guess a lot of people (experienced users, but still newbies) wouldn't use Debian, as they aren't "qualified" for that. |
| 17:25.20 | user0 | :D |
| 17:25.31 | bassliner | user0: what exactly is missing in your compile? |
| 17:25.58 | user0 | i didnt try to compile it yet since it needs all those |
| 17:26.02 | user0 | it will fail badly |
| 17:26.03 | Bushmills | imagines his grandma setting up system protection measures, such as a firewall |
| 17:26.06 | myrawbin | why cant i use my eth0:0 ip on irc? irssi -h ip. the only iptable rule i´ve got is postrouting for eth0 on pptpd. ^^ |
| 17:26.14 | bassliner | user0: a lot of dependencies can be set via commandline switches to ./configure or by setting environment variables. if that still doesn't help maybe chroot may help you? |
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| 17:26.20 | thewanderer1 | user0: you can install libraries manually (./configure, make, make install) |
| 17:26.32 | thewanderer1 | bassliner: chroot needs CAP_SYS_CHROOT which typically only root has |
| 17:26.46 | bassliner | thewanderer1: ah didn't know that. thank you. |
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| 17:26.59 | rambam | Bushmills: Shouldn't the system be set as secure as possible from the get-go? |
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| 17:27.28 | Bushmills | "the system" ... yes. but - how would you prevent the user from adding things which make it less secure? |
| 17:27.36 | thewanderer1 | rambam: people who don't know how to set up an OS just get a person to do that... |
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| 17:27.58 | thewanderer1 | user != admin and that is the core principle of UNIX... yet 95% of desktop users think otherwise |
| 17:27.58 | themill | rambam, Bushmills: perhaps this should move to a /msg or at least to #debian-offtopic. We're busy enough today with user support. |
| 17:28.00 | user0 | ty, i'll give it a try |
| 17:28.02 | Bushmills | say, grandma want to connect to her pc from remote, installs ssh, and uses her password "linux" |
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| 17:28.04 | rambam | Bushmills: That's something else |
| 17:28.05 | thewanderer1 | in fact, they *SHOULD* be separate people |
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| 17:28.46 | asperon | themill: this was the error http://paste2.org/p/1232088 |
| 17:28.59 | Bushmills | thewanderer1: was my initial statement: (18:17:58) Bushmills: rambam: distinguish between "using" and "administrating" an OS |
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| 17:29.40 | thewanderer1 | yes Bushmills, I know, now take it to #debian-offtopic, it's better suited for philosophy than here :) |
| 17:29.50 | alnr1 | hello. I need to install a newer version of mediawiki than what apt-get thinks is the latest. i'm not expert on apt, (pinning/backports/ etc). my sources.list says " deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main". what would be the path of least resistance? |
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| 17:30.30 | thewanderer1 | alnr1: install manually from the upstream tarball |
| 17:30.45 | Bushmills | !lenny |
| 17:30.46 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-15 and superseded by Squeeze as of 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 . Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>, <lenny release notes>, <install lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.8>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 17:30.46 | alnr1 | ie with deb? |
| 17:30.58 | alnr1 | er d pkg |
| 17:31.15 | thewanderer1 | yeah yeah, not everyone is upgrading on the release day 0 though... |
| 17:31.55 | macrobat | debtorrent would be great these days |
| 17:31.58 | Bushmills | also with the intention to check whether the factoid has been updated already, in case i want to refer somebody to it. |
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| 17:32.23 | themill | alnr1: newer meaning what vesion exactly |
| 17:32.58 | alnr1 | themill: i need one in which Namespace.php got renamed since php no like. i'm not sure exactly which rev of mediawiki that is |
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| 17:33.29 | themill | alnr1: there is a newer version of mediawiki both on backports (/msg dpkg bdo) and in squeeze (/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze) |
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| 17:34.51 | alnr1 | themill: i'm guessing that would work. newb to backports but i guess its time |
| 17:35.12 | themill | asperon: you should purge some of the packages that are removed but not purged: "aptitude search ~c" to list them, "aptitude purge ~c" to get rid of them all. Then have a look at what packages weren't upgraded: remove lenny from sources.list and "aptitude search ~o". |
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| 17:35.22 | asperon | themill: i did that |
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| 17:35.34 | skutr3 | hey guys i got squeeze to install! |
| 17:36.01 | skutr3 | and installed gnoe |
| 17:36.03 | skutr3 | gnome |
| 17:36.10 | asperon | themill: what should i look at in the aptitude search? |
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| 17:36.42 | themill | asperon: both should return no packages (or almost no packages in the "obsolete" case) |
| 17:36.54 | asperon | ok, the o one returns a bunch |
| 17:37.21 | asperon | http://paste2.org/p/1232110 |
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| 17:38.59 | themill | asperon: most of them should be uninstalled. Some you probably want to upgrade to the newer version in squeeze (like cyrus!) |
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| 17:39.41 | asperon | themill: shouldn't dist-upgrade solve that for me? |
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| 17:40.27 | Datz | debhelper limiting the size of our party :( |
| 17:40.38 | JyZyXEL | Detect network hardware doesn't list the hardware detected |
| 17:40.56 | themill | asperon: ideally it should sort out an upgrade path for you yes. Package renames are hard to cope with though as that relies on you installing things in a particular way (e..g having mysql-server not just mysql-server-5.0 installer) |
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| 17:41.04 | babilen | Datz: it is not |
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| 17:41.35 | asperon | themill, so what should i do now? |
| 17:41.45 | Datz | babilen: so what's it doing? |
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| 17:41.56 | babilen | Datz: Preventing join floods |
| 17:42.00 | JyZyXEL | netinst doesn't support wireless? |
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| 17:42.51 | Datz | babilen: well, +l 1108 is a channel size limit |
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| 17:43.15 | babilen | Datz: Lets take it out of the channel -- PM ok? |
| 17:43.26 | Datz | sure |
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| 17:44.44 | themill | asperon: look over the list of packages and look for any that you know you need (you probably don't need any of the lib* package). If you need things like cyrus, then install the squeeze version. Purge the rest. |
| 17:44.55 | JyZyXEL | which wireless drivers does netinst have? |
| 17:44.57 | JyZyXEL | wheres the list |
| 17:45.16 | asperon | themill: thanks, ill do that |
| 17:45.49 | kj4 | how do I upgrade an existing squeeze install to testing? |
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| 17:46.04 | themill | dpkg, squeeze->wheezy |
| 17:46.05 | dpkg | Want to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy? We've only just had a release and users of testing are in for a bumpy ride... if you have to ask how to do this, you shouldn't do it. (in the 12 hours after squeeze released, 2306 packages where changed in wheezy. That's almost 10% of the archive changing.) |
| 17:46.37 | spersaud | wheezy .. haha |
| 17:46.48 | spersaud | I never saw toy story .. I will download now |
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| 17:47.58 | pbm | where can i find iso images for 5.0? in every place that i looked for there is only 6.0.. :| |
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| 17:49.41 | snowrichard | hi...main us mirror seems a little slow, but it might be my connection too. Guess its cause of new release |
| 17:50.02 | themill | pbm: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.8/ |
| 17:50.26 | asperon | themill: i installed the new cyrus, the rest i can live without i think, how do i purge them? |
| 17:50.29 | pbm | themill: thx.. |
| 17:50.44 | stew | was the 2306 packages source packages or binary packages; |
| 17:50.47 | snowrichard | installing the amd_64 version in virtualbox-ose |
| 17:51.01 | kj4 | thanks themill |
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| 17:51.17 | themill | stew: nfc; Ganneff just reported that number from the run this morning. |
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| 17:51.35 | stew | probably src then |
| 17:51.41 | themill | asperon: if you want to get rid of every package in the output of "aptitude search ~o" then you can "aptitude purge ~o". |
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| 17:51.53 | themill | stew: so that's a fair bit more than 10% then |
| 17:52.09 | stew | 14% |
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| 17:52.29 | stew | i count 15461 src packages in testing |
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| 17:52.31 | skutr3 | hey will someone help me install java on debian? |
| 17:52.39 | stew | (well, i have postgres count for me) :) |
| 17:52.49 | themill | stew: s/Ganneff/asdb/ |
| 17:52.55 | stew | skutr3: aptitude install openjdk-6-jre (or jdk) |
| 17:53.02 | snowrichard | i need an soda |
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| 17:53.17 | skutr3 | stew: doesnt jre come with jdk? |
| 17:53.30 | babilen | skutr3: it is the otherway round :) |
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| 17:53.44 | skutr3 | babilen: jdk with jre? |
| 17:53.49 | stew | themill: i see 2184 different src packages now |
| 17:54.08 | babilen | skutr3: jdk is what you need to develop in java |
| 17:54.16 | stew | skutr3: jre is what you need to run stuff, jdk includes the jre and is what you need to compile stuff |
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| 17:54.43 | skutr3 | stew: what would i do for sun java |
| 17:55.03 | skutr3 | stew: you gave command for openjdk |
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| 17:55.45 | babilen | skutr3: opnejdk is essentially sun's java -- but you can also install sun-java6-{jre,jdk} |
| 17:56.05 | babilen | !tell skutr3 -about openjdk |
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| 17:57.34 | teabaghackery | Hod does wpne fix a busted grub boot menu so that windows shows up unde other operatingsystems I ned to have accessto my windows p install due to Dreamweaver CS and Illustrator CSD not working under wine? |
| 17:57.38 | skutr3 | stew: those commands didnt work |
| 17:57.57 | _linuxftw | I need a tool that'll read randomly from a device and tell me the read speed, any suggestions? |
| 17:58.00 | babilen | skutr3: show us â http://paste.debian.net |
| 17:58.32 | stew | skutr3: be more specific |
| 17:58.55 | babilen | teabaghackery: Make sure you have os-prober installed and run "update-grub" |
| 17:59.01 | skutr3 | stew: http://paste.debian.net/106697/ |
| 17:59.28 | stew | _linuxftw: can you explain what you mean by "randomly" ? |
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| 17:59.39 | spersaud | I installed lilo, this is with kmuto custom install |
| 17:59.46 | spersaud | grub failed |
| 17:59.51 | _linuxftw | stew, it just needs to read randomly chosen chunks so whatever caching is going on doesn't skew the results |
| 18:00.30 | stew | skutr3: i was telling you to install openjdk-6, sun-java isn't in debian since it isn't free, you'd have to first enable the non-free repositories, /msg dpkg non-free |
| 18:00.56 | themill | skutr3: your spelling of the openjdk package was incorrect |
| 18:01.03 | JyZyXEL | doesn't the installer support luks encryption? |
| 18:01.29 | skutr3 | stew: since what isnt free |
| 18:01.30 | babilen | teabaghackery: Does it find windows? |
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| 18:01.41 | skutr3 | themill: i spelled it right |
| 18:01.54 | stew | skutr3: sun's java isn't free |
| 18:02.04 | themill | skutr3: you did not. Sun java is not free so it is not in debian. /msg dpkg non-free sources |
| 18:02.07 | stew | skutr3: openjdk is the free reiplementation of sun's java |
| 18:02.20 | skutr3 | stew: i know |
| 18:02.21 | stew | mostly the same with the non-free bits rerwitten |
| 18:02.33 | babilen | skutr3: no -- you wrote "openjdk6-jdk" but it is "penjdk-6-jdk" -- run "aptitude search openjdk" |
| 18:02.38 | stew | skutr3: if you know, i didn't understand your question |
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| 18:02.54 | skutr3 | stew: i looked at software center and it said openjdk is installed |
| 18:02.57 | babilen | argh, "openjdk-6-jdk" that is :) |
| 18:03.06 | stew | skutr3: cool |
| 18:03.50 | _linuxftw | so anyone know a suitable tool? |
| 18:04.00 | skutr3 | thanks babilen :) |
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| 18:04.12 | spal | what is the recommended package manager? aptitude or apt-get? |
| 18:04.14 | nollidj | anyone here familiar with troubleshooting lvm2? i have a raid housing an lvm volume, and after upgrading to squeeze the volume from the raid isn't showing up in /dev/mapper |
| 18:04.20 | spal | I have been using aptitude for so long. |
| 18:04.32 | babilen | spal: keep on using it |
| 18:04.39 | skutr3 | babilen: this is all i have to do? |
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| 18:05.14 | stew | skutr3: if you want a browser plugin, you'd also want icedtea6-plugin |
| 18:05.23 | babilen | skutr3: I have no idea what you need java for, so i don't know if that is all you need. you might want to install a browser plugin as well. (aptitude install icedtea6-plugin) |
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| 18:05.32 | jordanm | it will take me a while to get used to this "32-bit PC" crap :\ |
| 18:05.34 | JyZyXEL | wasn't squeeze supposed to be eeepc compatible? |
| 18:05.41 | babilen | redundancy! hooray :) |
| 18:06.21 | ZykoticK9 | Is it possible to install handbrake-gtk from debian-multimedia in squeeze? I'm getting dependency on 2 virutal packages libdvdread3 and libfaad0 - neither seem to be installable. |
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| 18:07.02 | babilen | jordanm: yeah (but better than million of ia32 downloads) |
| 18:07.13 | babilen | jordanm: s/32/64 |
| 18:07.39 | sanmarcos | how do I remove the old lenny gpg key? |
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| 18:07.46 | ZykoticK9 | JyZyXEL, squeeze installed nearly flawlessly on my EEE 1005PE |
| 18:07.59 | JyZyXEL | it doesn't even have a networking driver for my eeepc |
| 18:07.59 | skutr3 | babilen: how would i update java? |
| 18:08.02 | JyZyXEL | its pretty sad |
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| 18:08.13 | sanmarcos | nearly flawless here too |
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| 18:08.23 | ZykoticK9 | JyZyXEL, netinstall had support for both wired and wireless for me? |
| 18:08.41 | JyZyXEL | i can't even find a list what it supports |
| 18:08.47 | babilen | skutr3: You should have the latest package -- make sure by running "aptitude update ; aptitude safe-upgrade" |
| 18:08.53 | jhutchins_lt | Support for everything but the flash reader on this acer one. |
| 18:09.19 | JyZyXEL | isn't there a list of supported hardware |
| 18:09.31 | jordanm | !hcl |
| 18:09.31 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists for Linux include http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/ , http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatdb/lists/hardware_linux.html and http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ . Also ask me about <driver locator>, <judd-hardware>. |
| 18:09.46 | JyZyXEL | thats not related in any way |
| 18:09.59 | skutr3 | babilen: well im running the test applet on javas site and it says there is an update available |
| 18:10.06 | themill | JyZyXEL: of course it's not related. We're supposed to do this by ESP. I remember this game. |
| 18:10.12 | jordanm | JyZyXEL: its almost exactly what you asked for |
| 18:10.28 | JyZyXEL | jordanm: hardware compatibility of debian installer? |
| 18:10.43 | themill | JyZyXEL: this is covered in the install manual. |
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| 18:11.30 | JyZyXEL | !install manual |
| 18:11.30 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
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| 18:11.58 | user0 | how do you specify where a lib is with ./configure ? |
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| 18:12.34 | user0 | like not in /usr/lib/libgif but in /home/user/libgif for example |
| 18:12.37 | JyZyXEL | that is nice |
| 18:13.11 | spal | what is the codename of the next testing version? |
| 18:13.17 | spal | i mean the current testing version. |
| 18:13.18 | spal | ? |
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| 18:13.28 | jordanm | user0: typically can't for a single lib. --libpath= perhaps for all libs |
| 18:13.38 | JyZyXEL | "Support for encrypted wireless during installation is currently limited to WEP. If your access point uses stronger encryption, it cannot be used during the installation process. " haha |
| 18:13.58 | JyZyXEL | that is quite surprising for a 2011 release |
| 18:14.14 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: Support for wifi installation is a reletively recent innovation. |
| 18:14.15 | jordanm | user0: why not use the libgif provided by debian? |
| 18:14.16 | user0 | jordanm : and could i just extract the lib from a deb file from http://packages.debian.org or do i have to compile everything? |
| 18:14.17 | themill | JyZyXEL: your patches are eagerly awaited. |
| 18:14.24 | JyZyXEL | i bet they are |
| 18:14.30 | user0 | jordanm : no root access |
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| 18:14.45 | babilen | spal: wheezy |
| 18:14.58 | jordanm | user0: I would statically compile it elsewhere, and copy over the binaries |
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| 18:16.21 | user0 | jordanm : all these libs are only needed for compiling only ? |
| 18:16.48 | user0 | goes to see what jordanm means by statically compile |
| 18:16.54 | spal | I am planning to upgrade to wheezy now. I hope all will be fine. |
| 18:17.14 | user2 | hellp guy i see 6.0 is out, gooooooooooooooood |
| 18:17.55 | user2 | what do youy thoink of new debian website layout? i am a bit disappointed |
| 18:18.00 | babilen | !tell spal -about squeeze->wheezy |
| 18:18.02 | jordanm | user0: no, they will be needed at runtime too. statically combiling basically builds the lib into the binary. |
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| 18:18.37 | user0 | hallelujah! |
| 18:18.38 | babilen | spal: Wait for some time. It is a *very* bad time right now. To quote a member of the release team: "its just wheezy. noone sane should be using that RIGHT NOW :)" |
| 18:18.40 | user2 | somehone try debian wit kfrebed kernel? |
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| 18:20.19 | babilen | user2: I guess you'll find some in #debian-kbsd on irc.debian.org |
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| 18:20.40 | user2 | ops thanks fot info i will jpoin that channel |
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| 18:23.43 | teabaghackery | Is it a good idea to boot windows 7 with lilo? |
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| 18:23.56 | pipeline | it's not a good idea to boot anything with lilo |
| 18:23.57 | pipeline | use grub |
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| 18:28.06 | ChrisW | hi all, anyone know what might cause python-apt to fail to install when upgrading to the new squeeze release? |
| 18:28.17 | ChrisW | the paste of the output is here: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/333170/ |
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| 18:28.56 | jordanm | ,depends python-apt |
| 18:28.58 | judd | Package python-apt -- depends: python2.6 | python2.5, python (>= 2.6.5-11~), libapt-inst1.2, libapt-pkg4.10, libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.4.0), python-apt-common. |
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| 18:29.09 | jordanm | ,depends python-apt --release squeeze |
| 18:29.09 | judd | Package python-apt -- depends: python2.6 | python2.5, python (>= 2.6.5-11~), libapt-inst1.2, libapt-pkg4.10, libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.4.0), python-apt-common. |
| 18:29.26 | ChrisW | jordanm: I don't follow... |
| 18:29.32 | nkuttler | that trace looks rather odd |
| 18:29.48 | jordanm | ChrisW: I was checking to see if python should have been upgraded to 2.6 prior to postinst of python-apt |
| 18:29.49 | nkuttler | ChrisW: please paste the complete error |
| 18:30.21 | jordanm | for w/e reason the "file" variable is containing "-" |
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| 18:30.48 | ChrisW | nkuttler: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/333173/ |
| 18:31.31 | themill | ChrisW: can you pastebin the output of "aptitude versions ~npython" |
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| 18:33.00 | ChrisW | themill: quite big, name a pastebin that'll work with it |
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| 18:33.14 | themill | ChrisW: paste.debian.net should be fine |
| 18:33.42 | ChrisW | "Length of code is not allowed to exceed 90kb" |
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| 18:33.50 | themill | ChrisW: make it "aptitude versions ~npython~i" if you like |
| 18:34.23 | ChrisW | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/333181/ |
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| 18:36.19 | ChrisW | what is the '-' in question? where is that being found? |
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| 18:37.14 | hotwings | W: Failed to fetch http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/testing/main/source/Sources.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch <-- why does debian-multimedia.org always seem to have one problem or another like this? :\ |
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| 18:38.15 | themill | ChrisW: you have a locally installed python there in /usr/local -- this is your problem |
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| 18:39.09 | ChrisW | themill: yep, source compiled, but alt-installed |
| 18:39.19 | ChrisW | what's the issue with it? |
| 18:39.25 | buntunub | hey anyone else having a kdm/gdm login screen that looks like scrambled eggs and/or know how to fix it (nvidia graphics) |
| 18:39.44 | themill | ChrisW: it's earlier on PATH that debian's python and it's not compiling things properly. |
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| 18:40.33 | ChrisW | themill: which path? |
| 18:40.55 | hotwings | scrambled eggs? no.. hashbrowns, eggs over easy, toast, and bacon yes |
| 18:41.17 | buntunub | ya i think thats a better description hotwings |
| 18:41.34 | ndnihil | mmm, bacon |
| 18:41.41 | themill | ChrisW: in your terminal, type "which python" |
| 18:41.46 | robokop | bacon |
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| 18:41.57 | ChrisW | /usr/bin/python |
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| 18:42.58 | access_d | is there any easy way to install a 'thread safe' libmozjs.so ? |
| 18:44.08 | buntunub | glad i am thats really the only graphics issue im having this time around though :P |
| 18:44.08 | themill | ChrisW: do you have a funny PYTHONPATH defined? |
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| 18:44.24 | buntunub | the spacefun plymouth animation is nice |
| 18:44.28 | access_d | well, though apt anyway. otherwise i'll probably have to apt-get source it and edit it myself? |
| 18:44.59 | ChrisW | themill: nope |
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| 18:45.26 | themill | ChrisW: in any case... dpkg is picking up this locally compiled python and that is breaking your upgrade. Whatever modules you've got in /usr/local are breaking /usr/bin/python. |
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| 18:45.48 | cordell | can someone post the /etc/apt/sources.list of debian 6, or tell me where to find it |
| 18:45.49 | ChrisW | nonetheless, I'm trying to recompile my source install of python2.5, currently failing and tcl/tk step in make :-( |
| 18:45.53 | themill | ChrisW: whether it's because it's picking up /usr/local/bin/python or just the module I can't tell you. But that's the source of your problem. |
| 18:46.22 | themill | ChrisW: why do you have a source install of python anyway? That's a pretty massive thing to be doing and would hopefully be unnecessary. |
| 18:46.26 | ChrisW | themill: yeah, my guess is the glibc upgrade broke my source install of python2.5, andthat's being picked up for whatever reason |
| 18:47.11 | ChrisW | themill: debian's bastardisation of a python distribution as caused me so many problems over the last decade, as standard, I just do a source build, but alt-install it, rather than trusting the packaged verson |
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| 18:47.44 | stew | cordell: /msg dpkg squeeze sources.list |
| 18:47.50 | themill | ChrisW: python in squeeze is packaged exactly as requested by python upstream. |
| 18:48.03 | ChrisW | themill: yeah, but I am where I am ;-) |
| 18:48.18 | themill | ChrisW: kill off your broken local snake and its modules. |
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| 18:48.38 | ChrisW | and if the debian guys still rip it up into a million packages, rather than just matching what a python source install would do, then I'll stick with a source install, thanks ;-) |
| 18:48.48 | spm_Draget | aptitude is somewhat a little more advance than apt. So far I understood this. They both share the same repositories. I should not nessecarily mix apititude and apt, but generally it should still work, org? |
| 18:48.49 | spm_Draget | *or |
| 18:48.54 | verbatim | Does Debian 6 have restrictions on how ports can be bound for 127.0.0.1? Trying to understand http://paste.debian.net/106706/ |
| 18:49.04 | themill | ChrisW: enjoy your broken system then... Good luck with it. |
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| 18:49.51 | ChrisW | themill: well, I'm open to suggestions |
| 18:50.08 | ChrisW | I'm surprised apt's install of python2.5 didn't just stomp on my source install |
| 18:50.41 | macrobat | spm_Draget: you confuse apt-get with apt |
| 18:51.35 | spm_Draget | macrobat: apt-get, sorry. So what about mixing apt-get and aptitude? |
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| 18:52.11 | nollidj | ah, for anyone else who has lost an lvm on raid when upgrading from lenny to squeeze: see bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=509523 |
| 18:52.35 | macrobat | !tell spm_Draget about why aptitude |
| 18:53.58 | spm_Draget | So as long as installing works, I can use apt-get and aptitude according to these infos. |
| 18:54.21 | spm_Draget | I always wondered... why not mark apt-get as deprecated and move over to aptitude compeltely? |
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| 18:55.20 | jhutchins_lt | !why not aptitude |
| 18:55.20 | dpkg | Many never use the curses frontend but it is still in the binary; aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than apt-get. Its resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results. Many features of aptitude are now in libapt and used by apt-get as well, so the differences between the two have reduced. That said, aptitude is still the best way of to get out of tight spots when running sid; for lenny->squeeze use apt-get. |
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| 18:58.42 | macrobat | i use apt-get source and apt-get build-dep |
| 18:59.08 | asperon | did the way mysql is handled change in squeeze? |
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| 18:59.53 | ZykoticK9 | spm_Draget, even the lenny->squeeze instructions use apt-get |
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| 19:00.37 | spm_Draget | Too many little green gremlins in there? A somewhat more defined and predictable behavor would really lessen the confusion on the enduser side. |
| 19:01.10 | spm_Draget | But yeah yeah, I know, old discussion. *shrugs it off* I am happy with my portage =) |
| 19:01.21 | katsrc | i'm trying to create a self signed SSL key but i keep getting this error: "apache2-ssl-certificate: command not found" |
| 19:01.35 | DanDare | Hello. Supposing i want to check and find for some command sequence in all bash history.. how can I start? bash history are rotated in daily basis it seems so how to retrieve old history ? |
| 19:01.46 | katsrc | is apache2-ssl-certificate part of a package in debian? |
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| 19:05.27 | mentor | DanDare: If it's not in your history file, it's gone. |
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| 19:05.38 | DanDare | :( |
| 19:05.45 | asperon | trying to start mysql under squezze i get: http://paste2.org/p/1232272 |
| 19:05.53 | asperon | cant really see whats gone wrong? |
| 19:05.53 | zach23 | I updated to squeeze on friday and I know today it was officially released but through apt-get there were no packages remaining to upgrade; is this okay? I am on squeeze, correct? |
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| 19:06.20 | keith80403 | DanDare, Or, install PuTTY as a terminal client, turn on logging, and then you'll have a full record of what was typed and the output. |
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| 19:06.49 | DanDare | keith80403, so nice because its what i use here. Thanks ! |
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| 19:07.51 | keith80403 | Ok, good. Set PuTTY logging to go to a known directory (like your home dir) and use the date/timestamp params to get a different logging file for every session, helps to keep things organized. |
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| 19:07.56 | robokop | DanDare: you can also use script |
| 19:07.57 | mentor | You can extend the amount of history your shell keeps |
| 19:08.49 | SolomonKull | Dumb question: is the last rc disk, prior to today's release, usable to install the new testing with just a simple apt-get upgrade, or do I need to do a dist-upgrade (in which case I') |
| 19:09.01 | SolomonKull | **I'll redownload the new release |
| 19:09.19 | mentor | I think you misunderstand what the two commands do |
| 19:09.35 | mentor | Both will likely end up with the same amount of downloaded packages |
| 19:10.01 | mentor | Either way |
| 19:10.07 | mentor | Use aptitude |
| 19:10.16 | SolomonKull | You did not answer my question. |
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| 19:11.01 | mentor | SolomonKull: That's because your question doesn't really make sense |
| 19:11.29 | mentor | SolomonKull: You've apparently ignored my answer. |
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| 19:12.58 | raz | has anyone else seen ext3 issues after the squeeze update? |
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| 19:13.24 | asperon | anybody know why mysql says this after the squeeze update? http://paste2.org/p/1232272 |
| 19:14.38 | mentor | asperon: Have you tried reading the message and following the advice? |
| 19:15.11 | SolomonKull | How so? If testing moved to stable, then does testing *not* have new packages (wheezy)? If this is the case, is the last rc the exact same as the new Stable, only the sources are changed and and aptitude update would be needed? *OR*, would I need to run a dist-upgrade (which should grab the newest version of debian based on my sources) which would require me to redownload the new release since |
| 19:15.13 | SolomonKull | I'll be deploying it across several machines, one not on a network so no upgrades can be done. |
| 19:15.14 | Tului | raz what issue? |
| 19:16.00 | epsilon | SolomonKull wheezy already has 2000+ new packages |
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| 19:16.20 | raz | Tului: ext3_free_blocks_sb: bit already cleared for block 1234. then remounts as read-only. on next boot there's corruption. |
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| 19:16.24 | asperon | mentor: i have, didn't do me any good i am afraid |
| 19:16.26 | epsilon | just added today, after squeeze release |
| 19:16.41 | mentor | SolomonKull: The difference between dist-upgrade and upgrade is only that upgrade will not remove packages |
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| 19:17.24 | Vele|AFK | hmm |
| 19:18.00 | SolomonKull | epsilon: I know. Ughh.. Okay, let me say ask again - is the last rc disk that was available prior to today the same as the new disk release today (with a different sources.list file)? |
| 19:18.03 | Vele|AFK | netinstall has the binarys for openssl and zlib yeah? |
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| 19:20.03 | Tului | raz: i've had no issues and my machine was running the last rc with updates |
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| 19:20.19 | babilen | SolomonKull: No, there are other differences. But those differ between specific CDs (netinst, CD1(gnome,kde, ...)) and architectures. Why do you ask? Is it important that the images are exactly the same? |
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| 19:21.51 | SolomonKull | babilen: one would enable me to use much less bandwidth. I will be using the netinstall to deploy to my home network and I dont want to have to upgrade all these boxes when the new disk can save me (and you) some bandwidth. |
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| 19:22.28 | Kevin` | SolomonKull: are you using something like apt-cacher? |
| 19:22.45 | babilen | It will not make much of a difference if you use the netinstall anyway. Are the boxes installed yet? |
| 19:22.46 | rhada | will this line deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports lenny-backports main now change to squeeze |
| 19:22.47 | raz | well, i'm suspecting this is related to my raid1. squeeze completely annihilated the settings during the update. it's now "barely" booting again, but this corruption hints at either a really bad kernel bug, or it's somehow mounting md0 and one of the raid-members at the same time (although i checked all involved files about 50 times now) |
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| 19:23.00 | babilen | rhada: yes |
| 19:23.10 | deed02392 | How do I change the system time? |
| 19:23.19 | mentor | SolomonKull: Yeah, but they'll only update the changes |
| 19:23.26 | thewanderer1 | deed02392: man date |
| 19:23.26 | babilen | rhada: no squeeze-backports as of now though |
| 19:23.30 | mentor | SolomonKull: And if you want, you can download those just once too |
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| 19:23.58 | rhada | banilen:yes I though so is it ok to use the lenny line? |
| 19:23.59 | SolomonKull | mentor: I only plan on downloading it once and then using a local machine to push updates to the others. |
| 19:23.59 | atax|work | ok so i did, apt-get -y install openssl |
| 19:24.13 | SolomonKull | *Canadian |
| 19:24.15 | SolomonKull | Capped. |
| 19:24.16 | mentor | Then what's the problem? |
| 19:24.20 | SolomonKull | ISP hates me. |
| 19:24.28 | SolomonKull | I waNT TO SAVE BANDWIDTH. |
| 19:24.30 | atax|work | says 0 packages installed/updated, any idea what abouts? |
| 19:24.32 | mentor | Yes |
| 19:24.32 | SolomonKull | oops, caps. |
| 19:24.33 | babilen | rhada: try bab<TAB> ;) -- You don't need that line at all if you are running squeeze |
| 19:24.46 | Kevin` | SolomonKull: apt-cacher is nice, it does all of that automatically. run a different copy of it if you install ubuntu too |
| 19:24.50 | mentor | And you'll only have to use the bandwidth needed |
| 19:25.12 | mentor | As I said, you can deploy any upgrades from local |
| 19:25.14 | thewanderer1 | recommends apt-cacher-ng over apt-cacher |
| 19:25.15 | simonrvn | SolomonKull: that decision's implementation has been put on hold until a decision is made |
| 19:25.20 | babilen | SolomonKull: Or apt-cacher-ng -- so the boxes are not installed yet? |
| 19:25.27 | Tului | raz md0 members are devices or partitions? |
| 19:25.28 | rhada | ok thanks |
| 19:25.34 | simonrvn | SolomonKull: heir gov't is likely to over turn it |
| 19:25.35 | SolomonKull | babilen: no, they are not installed. Reading man pages now. |
| 19:25.40 | simonrvn | their* |
| 19:25.58 | simonrvn | overturn* bah my typing sucks right now |
| 19:26.01 | SolomonKull | simonrvn: I know, but I'm in a localtion that has limited options, all of which already cap. |
| 19:26.13 | simonrvn | :( |
| 19:26.17 | babilen | SolomonKull: I would download the 6.0.0 netinst or business -- install one box with apt-cacher-ng and use that to provide packages for the other boxen |
| 19:26.22 | mentor | So, you've got one CD image already |
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| 19:26.25 | Kevin` | thewanderer1: diff for -ng? |
| 19:26.26 | SolomonKull | Sypatico tyrants hate technology -_- |
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| 19:26.37 | thewanderer1 | Kevin`: it's NEW :D |
| 19:26.39 | mentor | You can either download an entire other CD, or download just the diffences |
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| 19:26.45 | babilen | Kevin`: it is the "next generation" duh! |
| 19:27.08 | ouned | hi. I just noticed that 6.0 is released and i want to switch from win xp to a linux distri. Would you guys prefer debian 6 oder ubuntu 10.10? |
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| 19:27.29 | mentor | ouned: Given the channel title, what would you assume? |
| 19:27.33 | cristi8 | hi.. i have a running process that has to compute something, and i expect it to finish in a couple of hours.. can i move it into "screen", or somehow redirect it's stdout to a file now? (it's been running for some time) |
| 19:27.34 | thewanderer1 | ouned: it depends on how much time you're willing to spend and if you are going to actually *read documentation* |
| 19:27.36 | Pinchiukas | Is it possible that my machine will have no network if after upgrading packages I got "W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw for module r8169"? |
| 19:27.40 | Bushmills | we all use ubuntu, that's why we are on #debian |
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| 19:27.53 | thewanderer1 | Pinchiukas: yes, it is very possible |
| 19:27.55 | babilen | SolomonKull: Or go to a place with unlimited bandwith (uni, company, isp, you-name-it) and download the blu-rays/dvds |
| 19:27.57 | mentor | cristi8: Is it running on a straight terminal? |
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| 19:28.04 | ZykoticK9 | ouned, as someone who has just switched from Ubuntu to Debian - i must say Ubuntu is "easier" in many regards. |
| 19:28.04 | Pinchiukas | Aw, shoot! |
| 19:28.11 | Pinchiukas | thewanderer1: so what am I to do? |
| 19:28.14 | cristi8 | mentor: it's running inside gnome terminal |
| 19:28.22 | Tului | pinchi firmware was removed if nonfree i believe |
| 19:28.25 | SolomonKull | ouned: I prefer Debian, but Ubuntu may suit yoru needs. Why dont you try both and see which one you like more? I suggest using VirtualBox to test them, and if you cannot use VirtualBox then I would suggest burning a LiveCD. If you like it after you use the LiveCD you can simply click on install :) |
| 19:28.27 | asperon | guys, if i want to reinstall /etc/init.d/mysql, what package is it in? |
| 19:28.35 | Pinchiukas | Tului: so what do I do? :) |
| 19:28.40 | mentor | cristi8: It might be running on a pseudo-tty that you can redirect, but I'm really not sure |
| 19:28.44 | zorganae | now that pm-utils superseed laptop-mode, how can we configure pm-utils accordingly (like forcing certain parameters even if power is available)? |
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| 19:29.02 | Bushmills | asperon: dpkg -S /etc/init.d/mysql |
| 19:29.14 | thewanderer1 | Pinchiukas: install install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 19:29.25 | thewanderer1 | install install install, even... :P |
| 19:29.37 | babilen | Kevin`: But jokes aside: It is a reimplementation in C that is working very well. resource friendly, fast and generally well-behaved. I have not developed it, so I can't tell you anything about the innards |
| 19:29.40 | Castrona | Having a problem that I hope someone can help with: When I insert a blank dvd+r disk into dvd burner K3b (and debian) recognizes it. When I insert a dvd-r disk it is not recognized. Does anyone know what would cause this. PS: I'm running on lenny. |
| 19:30.07 | cristi8 | mentor: the process TTY is pts/3 |
| 19:30.10 | thewanderer1 | Castrona: perhaps your burner only supports dvd+r disks? |
| 19:30.15 | babilen | Castrona: Maybe your burner can not burn -r blanks? |
| 19:30.28 | Castrona | hmmm that is possible. The burner is old |
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| 19:30.37 | Tului | anyone that can help pinchiukas with his realtek 8169 firmware after the libreation? |
| 19:30.40 | thewanderer1 | Castrona: check on the front plate and also in the manual |
| 19:30.42 | Pinchiukas | thewanderer1: the description doesn't contain my NIC. |
| 19:31.01 | asperon | Bushmills: thanks |
| 19:31.09 | babilen | Castrona: I remember early models to be quite picky |
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| 19:31.19 | mentor | cristi8: There will be a corresponding master pty |
| 19:31.20 | thewanderer1 | Pinchiukas: hmm, install firmware-linux-free as well... |
| 19:31.30 | SparFux | Hi all. Why is my lsb_release -a command reporting squeeze when actually I am on sid? |
| 19:31.37 | SolomonKull | apt-cacher-ng looks usefull and my questions have been answered. Thanks for the hints, guys. |
| 19:31.50 | babilen | Castrona: But that is just my intuition ... and given that the device is indeed old, it might actually be true. no proof though |
| 19:31.52 | Castrona | thanks guys. I'll look online to see if my dvd burner model supports only dvd+r |
| 19:32.06 | Castrona | thats probably the case |
| 19:32.08 | babilen | SolomonKull: May you enjoy the installation and have a nice evening/day! |
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| 19:32.47 | Pinchiukas | thewanderer1: I don't see anything 8169 there either. |
| 19:33.21 | asperon | is there a way to force an install of a package that is already installed? |
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| 19:33.28 | asperon | ie, i want to get some files from it |
| 19:33.29 | ouned | Im not new to linux and debian, im useing debian for years on my server. Im just wondering if it's true that software is often not as fast updated then on ubuntu (I've read about that in a forum) is it true? |
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| 19:33.54 | babilen | Pinchiukas: (assuming firmware) -- that is firmware-realtek |
| 19:34.07 | thewanderer1 | hm ok... never seen that one before |
| 19:34.10 | dutchfish | SparFux: because lsb-release was migrated before squeeze release, it should be filed prolly now, the release is done in testing/sid |
| 19:34.10 | babilen | Pinchiukas: "apt-cache search 8169" ;) |
| 19:34.58 | Pinchiukas | babilen: nothing. |
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| 19:35.03 | peterrooney | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.05 | user0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.12 | SparFux | dutchfish: ah ok. so it's not supposed to report the very actual and detailed version I think. |
| 19:35.14 | asperon | peterrooney: thanks |
| 19:35.20 | valdyn | ouned: its not even debatable, debian only releases 2 years or somesuch while ubuntu every few months (3?) |
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| 19:35.37 | user0 | i did ./configure --enable-static , but when i transfer the file to another server is still get lib errors |
| 19:35.46 | ChrisW | hmm, so how do I upgrade my postgres 8.3 cluster to 8.4 once an aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade has already gotten rid of 8.3?! |
| 19:35.52 | dutchfish | SparFux: it should in stable, but testing and sid, should have wheezy/sid now i gues |
| 19:35.59 | user0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.02 | babilen | Pinchiukas: Are you using squeeze? |
| 19:36.10 | SparFux | ouned: debian is known the demand for stability. But it depends, use debian unstable and you get quite recent software. |
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| 19:36.27 | Pinchiukas | babilen: yes. |
| 19:36.45 | babilen | Pinchiukas: And non-free is enabled? -- /msg dpkg non-free sources |
| 19:36.58 | dutchfish | SparFux: you can file this as a normal bug against lsb-release in tetsing/sid |
| 19:37.12 | dutchfish | s/tetsing/testing |
| 19:37.51 | SparFux | dutchfish: ok :-) |
| 19:38.23 | Pinchiukas | babilen: was disabled, I enabled it and installed the package. I guess I can now safely reboot? :) |
| 19:38.30 | asperon | im going insane, i cant get mysql to run, and now all my sites are down, anybody able to lend me a hand? |
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| 19:38.41 | peterrooney | ouned: frequent updates are not, of themselves, a good thing. |
| 19:38.47 | babilen | Pinchiukas: What do you think might make the reboot unsafe? |
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| 19:39.11 | Pinchiukas | babilen: I'm not sure. Something to do with the firmware. :) |
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| 19:40.03 | babilen | Pinchiukas: Why do you want to reboot anyway? |
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| 19:40.43 | Tului | you can just insmod now |
| 19:40.55 | Tului | with the firmware |
| 19:40.59 | arand | I'm trying to get rid of the system beep: Have tried blacklisting pcspkr and snd-pcsp, "install pcspkr /bin/true", adding pcspkr to /etc/hotplug/blacklist, none of which made any difference whatsoever, I'm currently using "set bell-style none" in my inputrc, but that does not get rid of the beeps on shutdown, how would I completely get rid of it? |
| 19:41.08 | valdyn | !beep |
| 19:41.09 | dpkg | i heard beep is echo -ne 'a', or aptitude install beep, or ask me about <bell>, <qotd89>. For the audio player, ask me about <bmp>. For the protocol framework, see http://beepcore.org/ |
| 19:41.14 | valdyn | !bell |
| 19:41.15 | dpkg | To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. See also <pcspkr>, <shell beep>, <metacity bell bug>. |
| 19:41.30 | Pinchiukas | babilen: enable ipv6. :) |
| 19:41.33 | Pinchiukas | Don't know how. |
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| 19:41.45 | Pinchiukas | I commented out the line in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases.conf. |
| 19:42.06 | Tului | insmod r8169 i believe |
| 19:42.10 | babilen | Pinchiukas: Just "modprobe -r r8169 ; modprobe r8169" "dmesg|tail -10" afterwards â http://paste.debian.net |
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| 19:42.13 | valdyn | !insmod |
| 19:42.14 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"? modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under Linux 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
| 19:42.22 | ouned | peterrooney: why not? |
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| 19:42.26 | babilen | Tului: modprobe is preferred |
| 19:43.00 | ring1 | is the debian standardtool for package management using terminal aptitude or apt-get? |
| 19:43.19 | atax|work | can anyone answer as to how getting openssl installed? http://pastebin.com/yz3nY51Q |
| 19:43.19 | Tului | old habits die hard babilen. fwiw, i just woke up and still in bed |
| 19:43.25 | Pinchiukas | babilen: that should load the ipv6 module? |
| 19:43.25 | babilen | ring1: err, the debian standard for package management *is* aptitude |
| 19:43.35 | babilen | !coffee Tului |
| 19:43.36 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of organic, fair trade Peruvian for Tului, courtesy of babilen |
| 19:43.52 | ring1 | babilen, thanks |
| 19:44.04 | babilen | Pinchiukas: No, that should load the firmware and enable your wireless adaptor |
| 19:44.05 | gsb | babilen: ring1 for non-interactive installations it is not apt-get |
| 19:44.07 | Tului | that loads the network card driver pinch |
| 19:44.14 | gsb | babilen: ring1 for non-interactive installations it is NOW apt-get |
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| 19:44.24 | hid3 | Pinchiukas, out of curiousity, which apt mirror do you use? |
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| 19:44.35 | Pinchiukas | babilen: it's not wireless. :) |
| 19:44.39 | Pinchiukas | I want to enable ipv6. |
| 19:44.41 | Tului | babilen: i think 8169 is aired gig |
| 19:44.50 | Tului | wired |
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| 19:45.24 | ring1 | gsb, so sticking with apt-get would be correct too |
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| 19:45.55 | babilen | Pinchiukas: Ah, yes, right. How could I ... /me shakes head ... yes, your ethernet device should now work. Could you paste the output I requested to verify and "ifconfig -a" please? ipv6 should be enabled by default |
| 19:45.57 | gsb | ring1: if you use command line to install packages then its recommended that you use apt-get |
| 19:46.13 | ring1 | gsb, that's what i'm planning to do |
| 19:46.21 | babilen | gsb: Where is that stipulated? |
| 19:46.32 | atax|work | gsb: http://pastebin.com/yz3nY51Q <---any chance you know what this is? |
| 19:46.33 | gsb | debian 6 release notes |
| 19:46.39 | gsb | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#pkgmgmt |
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| 19:46.46 | matt8686 | If I run "adduser", then what utility is used to create a hash to /etc/shadow file? |
| 19:46.58 | Pinchiukas | babilen: I disabled it by commenting the line in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases.conf. :) There is no v6 address on any of the interfaces. |
| 19:47.11 | gsb | babilen: ^^^ |
| 19:47.36 | sanmarcos | grub2 is quite a change |
| 19:47.40 | daemonkeeper | matt8686: Most likely you mean pwconf |
| 19:48.06 | babilen | ring1: Note that the default pacakge manager for interactive usage is aptitude *not* apt-get -- but just use what you prefer. |
| 19:48.23 | babilen | ring1: aptitude has far superiour (interactive) dependency resolution |
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| 19:48.47 | gsb | atax|work: that means latest version of openssl is already installed |
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| 19:49.11 | illissius | hi all. I would like to install gcc 4.6 so I can play around with C++0x, but without having it adversely affect the rest of things if possible. I added experimental to sources.list and tried aptitude install g++-4.6, and see that it also wants to upgrade binutils, libgcc1, libgomp1, and libstdc++6. is this safe? or is there any better way? (I'm using sid) |
| 19:49.16 | atax|work | thats what i thought to, but when compiling UnrealIRCd, it says OpenSSL is not installed =\ |
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| 19:49.33 | nsadmin | illissius: one way is to build it from source |
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| 19:49.43 | nsadmin | get the source, read INSTALL |
| 19:49.43 | Tului | illi make a separate /tools |
| 19:49.56 | Tului | and use --prefix |
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| 19:50.05 | gsb | atax|work: may be UnrealIRCd wants a particular version of openssl |
| 19:50.05 | thewanderer1 | make a chroot man! |
| 19:50.06 | ring1 | babilen, thanks for pointing this out. i'll stick with apt-get since i don't need an interactive mode |
| 19:50.24 | illissius | hmm, ok |
| 19:50.27 | atax|work | hrm |
| 19:50.36 | Tului | and as said build from source |
| 19:50.43 | illissius | i was hoping there might be an easier way but ok, I'll give that a try :) |
| 19:50.44 | nsadmin | is 4.6 packaged? |
| 19:50.44 | illissius | thanks |
| 19:50.47 | peterrooney | ouned: because frequent updates suggests one of (a) numerous bugs, or (b) frequent operational changes, which is the OPPOSITE of what people generally want for a server. |
| 19:50.51 | atax|work | gsb: ive never had that argument before, is possible however never been an issue in previous versions |
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| 19:51.04 | babilen | ring1: "you should switch to aptitude as the official front-end for package management." |
| 19:51.04 | illissius | nsadmin: there are packages in experimental, as mentioned they also depend on binutils etc. |
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| 19:51.28 | nsadmin | well if you build from source, it will detect and use the binutils you have |
| 19:51.31 | Kvant | atax|work, do you have libssl-dev installed? |
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| 19:51.36 | illissius | ok |
| 19:51.46 | atax|work | exziah |
| 19:51.48 | atax|work | probally not =P |
| 19:51.48 | babilen | ring1: but meh ... do what *you* are most comfortable with. don't let "standards" dictate your life |
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| 19:52.14 | illissius | nsadmin: my intuition that upgrading to binutils from experimental would be unwise is probably correct? |
| 19:52.16 | atax|work | hehe go figure, answer is no =D |
| 19:52.16 | babilen | Pinchiukas: Well, why did you comment it if you want to enable it? |
| 19:52.29 | Kvant | atax|work, so install it |
| 19:52.30 | Tului | babilen: its like me and insmod eh? |
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| 19:52.42 | atax|work | done and done |
| 19:52.43 | robokop | illissius: yes, that would be unwise indeed |
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| 19:52.45 | Pinchiukas | babilen: I wanted to disable it then, but I want to briefly enable it now. :) |
| 19:52.50 | nsadmin | well experimental packages may or may not be able to: install, remove, upgrade |
| 19:53.01 | babilen | Pinchiukas: Well, I guess you know what you have to do :) |
| 19:53.08 | Tului | illi: build a new binutils too if needed |
| 19:53.09 | Pinchiukas | Reboot? :) |
| 19:53.16 | nsadmin | due to the packaging not being finished (but that's not necessarily the case here) |
| 19:53.35 | Kevin` | how long will lenny be supported for? |
| 19:53.42 | illissius | ok. thanks again for the help :) |
| 19:54.21 | atax|work | Kvant: Thanks a million, that fixed it =) |
| 19:54.25 | thewanderer1 | hey, is there a Squeeze volatile yet? |
| 19:54.27 | Kvant | :) |
| 19:54.45 | thewanderer1 | Kevin`: I'd bet around one year... |
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| 19:54.52 | babilen | Pinchiukas: Err ... Which line in aliases.conf were you referring to? |
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| 19:55.15 | Tului | im not tossing out bad advice on using source and a separate prefix for testing new gcc am i? |
| 19:55.15 | nsadmin | the main thing is to get --target right in ./configure; see the debianized source of a somewhat recent gcc , and look at its call to ./configure to see what it sets target and host to |
| 19:55.34 | ring1 | babilen, i was just curious what the actual "standard" is. as far as i read there is no problem in using one of the two, as long as i don't mix them |
| 19:56.10 | nsadmin | or you can try guessing based on the info from the file INSTALL |
| 19:56.16 | babilen | ring1: You can even mix them. The time where this was problematic is long gone |
| 19:56.23 | blackest_mamba | anyway to remove the config files left behind from removed packages? |
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| 19:57.05 | Kevin` | blackest_mamba: purge |
| 19:57.07 | gsb | blackest_mamba: apt-get purge |
| 19:57.18 | arand | valdyn: I still don't get how I'm supposed to remove the system beep on shutdown, it seems to only happen if I shutdown whilst root is currently logged in, also, even though I have rmmodded pcspkr, #echo -e "\007" >/dev/tty1# still blasts my ears, is that really supposed to happen? |
| 19:57.35 | blackest_mamba | the purge command won't do it |
| 19:57.36 | ring1 | babilen, ok, thanks again :) |
| 19:57.38 | blackest_mamba | or isn't for me |
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| 19:57.53 | Pinchiukas | babilen: "alias net-pf-10 ipv6". |
| 19:57.54 | blackest_mamba | most of the lenny packages removed are still marked as rc |
| 19:58.39 | robokop | blackest_mamba: dpkg -l | awk '$1 == "rc" {print $2}' | xargs dpkg --purge |
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| 19:58.47 | blackest_mamba | hrm |
| 19:58.53 | blackest_mamba | would aptitude purge ~c do it? |
| 19:58.54 | maxxe | hello. i use gpt partition table, and have a bios boot parition on /dev/hda which is the first partition on that disk, would grub-install /dev/hda install grub on that partition? |
| 19:59.15 | robokop | blackest_mamba: might be, i never used aptitude |
| 19:59.16 | babilen | Pinchiukas: could you let me have a look at "ifconfig -a" please? |
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| 19:59.50 | babilen | Pinchiukas: IPv6 is built into the kernel since squeeze ... |
| 20:00.15 | Pinchiukas | babilen: http://pastebin.com/tFvusfvN |
| 20:00.20 | Pinchiukas | babilen: yeah, I found that out. :) |
| 20:00.20 | blackest_mamba | yeah that did it |
| 20:00.38 | blackest_mamba | postgresql 8.3 refuses to go away though |
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| 20:01.03 | babilen | So, you disabled ipv6 by booting with "ipv6.disable=1" ? |
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| 20:01.46 | Pinchiukas | babilen: no, just that line in aliases.conf, I guess. |
| 20:02.03 | Pinchiukas | Maybe I did something else which I can't remember now. |
| 20:02.23 | Tului | if you use /dev/hda it'll install to the boot record |
| 20:02.30 | babilen | Pinchiukas: What is the output of: "sysctl net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6" (as root) |
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| 20:03.52 | babilen | robokop, blackest_mamba: Much better way: "aptitude purge ~c" |
| 20:03.53 | Tului | at least for me with gpt, the disks are dev/sdx and partitions sdx123 etc |
| 20:04.08 | blackest_mamba | babilen: that's what I did |
| 20:04.11 | babilen | ring1: ^^^^ aptitude's search patterns are *very* powerful |
| 20:04.22 | blackest_mamba | But postgresql 8.3 is now marked as pc and won't remove |
| 20:04.29 | babilen | blackest_mamba: Ah, I was just processing backlog ... disregard me |
| 20:04.41 | blackest_mamba | just upgraded to squeeze and 8.4 is installed |
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| 20:04.54 | blackest_mamba | so I don't know why 8.3 won't cleanly remove |
| 20:05.19 | babilen | blackest_mamba: May I have a look at the removal attempt? (http://paste.debian.net) |
| 20:05.20 | arand | I'm trying to get rid of the system beep: Have tried blacklisting pcspkr and snd-pcsp, "install pcspkr /bin/true", adding pcspkr to /etc/hotplug/blacklist, none of which made any difference whatsoever, I'm currently using "set bell-style none" in my inputrc, but that does not get rid of the beeps on shutdown, how would I completely get rid of it? The dpkg hints about the system bell doesn't help me. |
| 20:05.33 | Tului | maxxe: you still have hda devices? |
| 20:05.58 | blackest_mamba | babilen: it just says: "Package postgresql-8.3 is not installed, so not removed" |
| 20:06.12 | blackest_mamba | but it shows up in dpkg -l |
| 20:06.33 | robokop | blackest_mamba: use dpkg --purge |
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| 20:07.04 | babilen | blackest_mamba: And aptitude purge ~c? |
| 20:07.06 | Pinchiukas | babilen: net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1 |
| 20:07.13 | maxxe | Tului: what do you mean.. ? i just want to make sure i am able to boot in to squeeze :) |
| 20:07.15 | ring1 | babilen, i'll check it out. but usually i know which package i want to install or purge, so for me there's no real need of searching in packages ;) |
| 20:07.28 | babilen | Pinchiukas: Ah, you set that ... do you remember where/how? |
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| 20:07.55 | Tului | your drives still show as /dev/hda? |
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| 20:08.06 | babilen | ring1: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html (just trying to give you some ideas about the differences) |
| 20:08.24 | Pinchiukas | babilen: don't think I did, anyway, I just want to enable it for a test so 'sysctl -w' will be just fine. |
| 20:08.24 | babilen | ring1: It is also quite a bit slower than apt- tools most of the time |
| 20:08.25 | maxxe | Tului: yes my first drive is /dev/hda second is /dev/hdc but bios boot partition is on /dev/hda |
| 20:08.33 | babilen | Pinchiukas: xactly |
| 20:08.43 | maxxe | Tului: probably /dev/hda1 to be more precise |
| 20:08.51 | Tului | ok |
| 20:08.52 | blackest_mamba | hrm |
| 20:08.55 | blackest_mamba | subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
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| 20:09.10 | ring1 | babilen, i appreciate your effort |
| 20:09.17 | blackest_mamba | clear |
| 20:09.20 | blackest_mamba | oops |
| 20:09.25 | nsadmin | is fglrx packaged in non-free? how can I tell definitively which driver my card needs to do the 3d stuff? |
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| 20:09.36 | Tului | maxxe: is there a reason it isnt the new ata style /dev/sda ? |
| 20:09.37 | babilen | Pinchiukas: I would still be interested why/where/who disabled it on your box. you might want to look in /etc/sysctl.conf*/* |
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| 20:09.54 | blackest_mamba | robokop: http://pastebin.com/07FivXnn |
| 20:10.13 | blackest_mamba | that's what I see when I do dpkg --purge postgresql-8.3 |
| 20:10.18 | Pinchiukas | babilen: ah, that might be it, I might have disabled it there. :) |
| 20:10.33 | javahater | hey y'all! i've spent the better part of the afternoon cursing to get tomcat6 up and running to work with java 1.5 on my mac, and at the failure of that i gave up and booted up a fresh debian based system. now i've got sun-java5-jdk installed due to my addition of jaunty repos in sources.list, but when i try to install tomcat6 it wants to install openjdk-6-jre-headless and openjdk-6-jre-lib . I want NO TRACE of java 1.6 on this sys |
| 20:10.34 | Pinchiukas | Yup! |
| 20:10.43 | babilen | !nickometer javahater |
| 20:10.44 | dpkg | 'javahater' is 0.000% lame, babilen |
| 20:10.49 | babilen | hmm ... |
| 20:10.53 | javahater | lol |
| 20:10.54 | xyzp | i have install firefox for debian in the consol, but i can se it in GUI |
| 20:11.05 | xyzp | can |
| 20:11.06 | javahater | i win babilen |
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| 20:11.34 | maxxe | Tului: i have pata drives not sata |
| 20:11.38 | Tului | maxxe: for me with gpt and doing grub-install /dev/sda works with no problems. if sda1 or hda1 is flagged bootable i think you could put grub there and it would boot too |
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| 20:11.48 | robokop | javahater: why jaunty repros on debian |
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| 20:11.50 | babilen | javahater: no you don't ... you have ubuntu repositories in your sources.list (and i understand why you are hating java now) |
| 20:11.50 | nsadmin | my card is... 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series] [1002:791e] |
| 20:11.58 | eptalon | heyas |
| 20:12.06 | javahater | robokop: i'm actually using debian |
| 20:12.10 | javahater | err, ubuntu |
| 20:12.10 | maxxe | Tului: ok i will install it to a boot disk as well probably safest :) but i think it will boot |
| 20:12.20 | xyzp | how most i do to se it in debian GUI? |
| 20:12.23 | javahater | its been a long day |
| 20:12.25 | nsadmin | javahater: look in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:12.31 | babilen | javahater: Why on earth did you think it is a good idea to add ubuntu repositories? |
| 20:12.32 | Tului | maxxe: ah ok. i thought the new libata even gave pata sda |
| 20:12.39 | eptalon | xyzp: set what in debian gui? |
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| 20:12.44 | javahater | babilen: because i am using ubuntu |
| 20:12.48 | jhutchins | babilen: He's running ubuntu. |
| 20:12.52 | Agiofws | is there anew kind of kernel for linux ? |
| 20:12.54 | babilen | javahater: You might want to ask in #ubuntu then .. they are likely to know ubuntu |
| 20:12.56 | jhutchins | javahater: We can't help you here. |
| 20:12.57 | luckman212_ | would Debian be a wise choice for the basis of an Asterisk pbx installation? |
| 20:13.11 | jhutchins | luckman212_: Yes. |
| 20:13.27 | javahater | babilen, jhutchins cmon ubuntu is about desktop and netbooks, you debian guys are more server stuff. share some love please. |
| 20:13.31 | luckman212_ | I am pondering Debian, Arch Linux or Ubuntu. |
| 20:13.45 | eptalon | Agiofws: "Debian" is collection of cool programs that runs using a "kernel". One of the kernels is Linux, the other is BSD. |
| 20:13.59 | jhutchins | javahater: We can't. We don't know ubuntu. We know debian. They're different. |
| 20:14.05 | nsadmin | javahater: you're expecting us to study ubuntu so we can answer your questions? |
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| 20:14.09 | xyzp | eptalon, i have instal ice... that is firefox in the consol, but how can i start it? |
| 20:14.10 | simonrvn | javahater: go to #ubuntu - it's not about "desktops" "servers" it's about distributions |
| 20:14.12 | Agiofws | whats the difference between the bsd kernel ? |
| 20:14.14 | Tului | dont forget the Hurd!!!! |
| 20:14.16 | babilen | javahater: that is wrong -- debian is wonderful on laptops and desktops or workstations as well. But still, Ubuntu is a fine choice, but not supported in here. Try #ubuntu ;) |
| 20:14.30 | javahater | apt & aptitude is still the same, no? :) |
| 20:14.30 | apt | javahater: okay |
| 20:14.37 | simonrvn | Agiofws: it's a bsd kernel. totally different. it's not another kind of linux |
| 20:14.38 | jhutchins | javahater: No. |
| 20:14.41 | babilen | javahater: No idea is Canonical patched them ... |
| 20:14.44 | nsadmin | Tului: is hurd any faster these days? |
| 20:14.47 | eptalon | xyzp: type "iceweasel &" (without "..") |
| 20:14.58 | javahater | meh |
| 20:15.22 | babilen | quotd? "simonrvn: bsd is another kind of linux" ;) |
| 20:15.22 | javahater | ok, wait, i'll go see if there is a DEBIAN vmware appliance, then i'll ask again in like 10 minutes |
| 20:15.27 | eptalon | javahater: there's a channel called #ubuntu, with the guys that know ubuntu.. |
| 20:15.47 | jelly-hme | asterisk in a vm? don't vms typically have timing issues? |
| 20:16.03 | Tului | in that my hardware is faster it is. wont boot on the real machine, just vbox |
| 20:16.05 | babilen | javahater: Yes, please come here when you are using debian. Otherwise as in Ubuntu please. They know their packages. |
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| 20:16.07 | Agiofws | is the bsd kernel compatible with other distros ? does it work faster ? |
| 20:16.11 | nsadmin | javahater, actually that may not be true: ubuntu takes unstable and then goes on its own, so even dpkg/apt is likely to not be the same |
| 20:16.18 | xyzp | eptalon, can you give me more info please i am only newbie with the consol |
| 20:16.50 | jhutchins | xyzp: What is your native language? |
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| 20:16.53 | luckman212_ | so why would one choose the Deb/BSD flavor over the linux kernel? sorry for the n00b'ishness. |
| 20:17.01 | Tului | Agiofws: no |
| 20:17.02 | Tului | they need to build for it |
| 20:17.03 | dutchfish | np |
| 20:17.06 | valdyn | Agiofws: what "other" distros, the only "other" freebsd distro is like freebsd and maybe one more |
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| 20:17.12 | ajwak95 | I just upgraded to squeeze and I get this error when executing 'xend' http://pastebin.com/0UV0VHr0 |
| 20:17.13 | Tului | different licensing |
| 20:17.17 | javahater | so, i need tomcat6 and java 1.5 . what version of debian do i want? etch? |
| 20:17.18 | jelly-hme | Agiofws: the freebsd kernel + glibc is pretty much unique. if you get the freebsd libc in there, you'll be able to run freebsd binaries as well |
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| 20:17.58 | jhutchins | ,versions tomcat |
| 20:17.59 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'tomcat' was found in i386. |
| 20:18.03 | eptalon | xyzp: I have a window with a black screen, saying something that ends in :~$. There I type iceweasel (or I type icew and hit <tab>). I add the "&" at the end, because I want to re-use the terminal, and I hit enter. |
| 20:18.05 | jhutchins | ,versions tomcat6 |
| 20:18.06 | judd | Package tomcat6 on i386 -- sid: 6.0.28-9; squeeze: 6.0.28-9; wheezy: 6.0.28-9 |
| 20:18.21 | jhutchins | javahater: Looks like squeeze should do it. |
| 20:18.30 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 20:18.32 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.37-trunk-686 (2.6.37-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); wheezy: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 20:18.39 | javahater | my issue is more about java 1.5 |
| 20:18.42 | jelly-hme | javahater: does "java 1.5" mean "at least java 1.5"? |
| 20:18.51 | javahater | no, means "exactly 1.5" |
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| 20:18.58 | xyzp | jhutchins, i speak swedish here in Sweden, you? |
| 20:19.07 | ajwak95 | I just upgraded to squeeze and I get this error when executing 'xend' http://pastebin.com/0UV0VHr0 |
| 20:19.09 | javahater | 1.6 has cost me my sunday afternoon |
| 20:19.12 | ajwak95 | any ideas? |
| 20:19.12 | babilen | javahater: why is that? the tomcat version in squeeze should work with java1.6 |
| 20:19.16 | jelly-hme | javahater: that will be unsupported by Oracle, but you're already aware of that. |
| 20:19.23 | jhutchins | xyzp: Just wondering if we could get you better help in your own language. |
| 20:19.26 | jhutchins | !se |
| 20:19.27 | dpkg | Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i #debian.se på FreeNode (irc.freenode.net), SE is also the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code for Sweden, it was included in the standard 1974. |
| 20:19.28 | eptalon | javahater: Sun's version or OpenJDK, and you are talking about Java SE? |
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| 20:19.35 | nsadmin | blame it on a version... hmm. |
| 20:19.43 | Agiofws | whats debian 6.0 ? squeeze ? |
| 20:19.47 | javahater | i need jdk5 and java 1.5 |
| 20:19.47 | jelly-hme | eptalon: there is no Sun <g> |
| 20:19.49 | nsadmin | yep |
| 20:19.53 | babilen | Agiofws: yes |
| 20:19.59 | javahater | anything above that causes my application deployment to fail |
| 20:20.01 | babilen | javahater: why? |
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| 20:20.05 | eptalon | jelly-hme: Well, what used to be sun. Oracle. |
| 20:20.08 | Agiofws | "After two years of work, the Debian Project has announced the release of Debian 6.0. 'There are many goodies in Debian 6.0 GNU/Linux, not the least of which is the new completely free-as-in-freedom Linux kernel |
| 20:20.11 | simonrvn | Agiofws: that just means there's no binary blobs at all in the linux kernel |
| 20:20.12 | jelly-hme | javahater: so get the old tarballs from the vendor, and use them. |
| 20:20.32 | nsadmin | Agiofws, 6.0 is squeeze |
| 20:20.33 | javahater | jelly-hme: which i cant find on the java.com site anymore |
| 20:20.34 | simonrvn | Agiofws: in debian's version of it anyway |
| 20:20.36 | javahater | .... |
| 20:20.39 | eptalon | javahater: What kind of app deployment? |
| 20:20.51 | babilen | javahater: Or use debian lenny -- it is supported for one more year and you have time to fix your application |
| 20:21.08 | Agiofws | 'Debian GNU/kFreeBSD will port both a 32- and 64-bit PC version of the FreeBSD kernel into the Debian userspace, making them the first Debian release without a Linux kernel,' |
| 20:21.10 | simonrvn | why are you guys giving javahater support? |
| 20:21.19 | jelly-hme | javahater: oh, did you hope an old debian release would have those? |
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| 20:21.27 | javahater | jelly-hme: totally |
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| 20:21.31 | eptalon | javahater: I am aware of very few cases where an app does not run in a newer version of java. |
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| 20:21.33 | babilen | javahater: But why don't you fix the deployment. Relying on 1.5 seems to be the wrong tactic. You *will* have to support 1.X (X > 5) eventually |
| 20:21.36 | Agiofws | so freeBSD kernel is compatible with debian 6.0 ? |
| 20:21.40 | simonrvn | Agiofws: that uses the freebsd kernel + mods |
| 20:21.43 | javahater | eptalon: i have one of those cases. |
| 20:21.56 | jhutchins | simonrvn: He allegedly wants to get the release of Debian with the software versions he needs. |
| 20:21.59 | simonrvn | Agiofws: the userspace changes a lot |
| 20:22.05 | Tului | Agiofws: if you insyall the system yes |
| 20:22.06 | javahater | babilen: i'm not the person in charge for that. i'm just a developer for another part of the app |
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| 20:22.08 | Agiofws | whats a userspace ? |
| 20:22.10 | xyzp | dqkg, det frinns ingen sån |
| 20:22.12 | eptalon | javahater: The prime case for this is if you use JNI (the Java Native Interface) |
| 20:22.17 | Tului | you cant plug and play them |
| 20:22.21 | simonrvn | Agiofws: applications |
| 20:22.25 | Agiofws | i have squeeze running here |
| 20:22.28 | jhutchins | !botsnack |
| 20:22.28 | dpkg | jhutchins: :) |
| 20:22.31 | Agiofws | so the system is installed |
| 20:22.36 | javahater | so, anyhow, lenny? squeeze? |
| 20:22.37 | jelly-hme | javahater: http://snapshots.debian.org/ and search for eg. sun-java5-jdk |
| 20:22.41 | nsadmin | !buttsnack |
| 20:22.41 | dpkg | Man, I'd rather have a doughnut... |
| 20:22.53 | Agiofws | you mean xchat will run differently ? simonrvn ? |
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| 20:23.04 | Tului | not differently |
| 20:23.05 | jelly-hme | javahater: I'm not sure a recent tomcat like 6.0 will work with that old a Java VM. |
| 20:23.06 | javahater | jelly-hme: server not found ? |
| 20:23.16 | babilen | javahater: Well, I told you your options. You have another year with lenny in which you can fix your buggy application. Are you sure it is broken with java 1.6 and tomcat6 on squeeze? |
| 20:23.23 | ajwak95 | I just upgraded to squeeze and I get this error when executing 'xend' http://pastebin.com/0UV0VHr0 , any ideas? |
| 20:23.23 | jelly-hme | javahater: sorry, http://snapshot.debian.org/ |
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| 20:23.34 | javahater | babilen: it sure as hell is broken on java 1.6 on macos |
| 20:23.34 | simonrvn | Agiofws: to use your example. xchat would have to be rebuilt to run on the kfreebsd kernel |
| 20:23.35 | Tului | Agiofws: as a user you wouldnt notice much difference |
| 20:23.42 | eptalon | javahater: does it run with openjdk? |
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| 20:23.48 | javahater | eptalon: no clue |
| 20:23.53 | jhutchins | Agiofws: "space" controlled by users as opposed to by root or the system. |
| 20:24.05 | javahater | thanks jelly-hme |
| 20:24.08 | babilen | javahater: Still, I would strongly recommend to fix the problem, rather than relying on an obsolete java version. (this feels way too much like all the 6 year old absolutely buggy, unmaintained and unsupported PHP4 web-thingies out there) |
| 20:24.14 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.22 | javahater | babilen: dont get me started on this topic... :) |
| 20:24.22 | nsadmin | , pciid 1002:791e |
| 20:24.24 | judd | [1002:791e] is 'RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:791e and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 20:24.25 | babilen | javahater: What does macos has to do with Debian? |
| 20:24.27 | simonrvn | i was referring to the kernelspace/userspace "dichotomy" |
| 20:24.36 | Tului | Agiofws: if you use the repositories its all premade |
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| 20:25.01 | Agiofws | so there are binaries for 'Debian GNU/kFreeBSD |
| 20:25.05 | valdyn | Agiofws: no one compiles "for a kernel" except for very few specific tools |
| 20:25.10 | simonrvn | Agiofws: like Tului said, it's all pre-built like the linux versions |
| 20:25.16 | javahater | babilen: if you read my first message, i said i spent the afternoon setting up a non-working dev environment on macos. now i'm pissed and looking at something to run within vmware which is not connected to my regular OS |
| 20:25.16 | Tului | any self compiled binaries youd have to recompile |
| 20:25.16 | valdyn | Agiofws: no |
| 20:25.21 | Agiofws | i compile for my kernel ... simonrvn |
| 20:25.29 | valdyn | Agiofws: nonsense |
| 20:25.29 | simonrvn | Agiofws: i don't |
| 20:25.30 | eptalon | javahater: Oracle stopped support for JDK 1.5 in like 2005 or 2006. |
| 20:25.43 | jelly-hme | eptalon: you mean, Sun did. <g> |
| 20:25.50 | Agiofws | i compile my kernel aswell :) |
| 20:25.52 | simonrvn | Agiofws: the bsd and linux kernels are very different |
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| 20:26.09 | eptalon | jelly-hme: well, the company that developed java... |
| 20:26.09 | javahater | eptalon: i am totally aware of that. and again, its not my area of competence, and i just need to get this sucker to work |
| 20:26.17 | Agiofws | simonrvn, exactly i wonder if it would effect performance ? |
| 20:26.20 | javahater | eptalon: "those bastards" |
| 20:26.34 | Agiofws | i remember that its a Microkernel ? |
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| 20:26.40 | valdyn | Agiofws: its not |
| 20:26.40 | simonrvn | Agiofws: that's like comparing apples and rocks |
| 20:26.45 | babilen | javahater: I would try Debian Squeeze with the normal tomcat+java versions ... it might be an OSX problem. If that does not work you can use Debian Lenny which is Debian <oldstable> now, but still supported (security wise) for another year) |
| 20:26.47 | jelly-hme | eptalon: the last 1.5.0_22 release page is dated 2007 (still effin old) |
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| 20:26.53 | ajwak95 | oh my bad, I didn't reailize I was in #java |
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| 20:27.00 | babilen | ajwak95: You are not ... |
| 20:27.10 | eptalon | javahater: I am a decent Java programmer, and I can assure you the changes from 1.5 to 1.6 are pretty minimal. |
| 20:27.13 | simonrvn | doh! |
| 20:27.19 | Tului | Agiofws: as an example: you could get freebsd's more mature kernel space zfs |
| 20:27.31 | nsadmin | javahater: try an earlier version of a linux dist, and check to see if the versions of what you want are there before taking action |
| 20:27.33 | simonrvn | OMG OHNOEZ ZFS |
| 20:27.35 | Agiofws | is it the kernel that GNU didn't develop in time before linux developed his own kernel ? |
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| 20:27.43 | valdyn | Agiofws: no |
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| 20:27.47 | Agiofws | ok |
| 20:27.49 | amphi | Agiofws: you think of the Hurd |
| 20:27.53 | simonrvn | Agiofws: no |
| 20:28.01 | Agiofws | ok |
| 20:28.09 | valdyn | !microkernel |
| 20:28.21 | Tului | is zfs verboetten here? |
| 20:28.25 | Agiofws | i wonder when that kernel is going to finish |
| 20:28.44 | javahater | mm, eptalon so you think that it |
| 20:28.47 | javahater | argh |
| 20:28.48 | babilen | Tului: no, it is not "verboten" here -- just not very common on Linux |
| 20:28.56 | babilen | javahater: argh? |
| 20:28.58 | javahater | that it's apple's java implementation which is borked? thats quite possible |
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| 20:29.02 | eptalon | javahater: Also try running the app with OpenJDK... |
| 20:29.06 | valdyn | Agiofws: why do you care? microkernels are not faster, if that is what youre looking for |
| 20:29.14 | Raptors | bash@debian:~/Downloads$ sudo hcitool cc 00:22:A6:0C:4B:1D | bash@debian:~/Downloads$ sudo hcitool auth 00:22:A6:0C:4B:1D | Not connected. |
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| 20:29.18 | simonrvn | Tului: nah, just poking fun at fanbois of zfs |
| 20:29.22 | Raptors | Does anyone know how to fix that? |
| 20:29.28 | jelly-hme | simonrvn: zfs rules!!!!1 |
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| 20:29.32 | babilen | javahater: I would at least try that and figure out *what* is the problem. so you (and your company) know .. which platforms you can deploy on |
| 20:29.34 | Agiofws | i am just inquisitive ... |
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| 20:29.44 | simonrvn | Tului: like jelly-hme here |
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| 20:30.01 | simonrvn | Agiofws: nothing wrong with asking questions and being curious |
| 20:30.04 | Agiofws | it would be nice to have 2-3 kernels to choose from ... |
| 20:30.05 | Tului | breakfast time then off to see what squeeze has to offer |
| 20:30.10 | Agiofws | simonrvn, i agree |
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| 20:30.22 | Agiofws | i generally ask questions |
| 20:30.24 | Raptors | Anyone? :( |
| 20:30.40 | hamid_rostami | Hi All, I'm from Iran/Guilan, Can i create a relase party information in debian wiki? ( http://wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartySqueeze/Iran/Guilan ) |
| 20:30.48 | Raptors | 00:22:A6:0C:4B:1D = headset |
| 20:31.01 | Tului | Agiofws: the bsd linux difference is almost like linux windows. totally dofferent binaries |
| 20:31.10 | babilen | hamid_rostami: You could, but there release parties were all yesterday :-\ |
| 20:31.15 | amphi | Agiofws: there is a debian hurd port |
| 20:31.22 | babilen | not anymore |
| 20:31.22 | eptalon | javahater: Case in point, I did develop an app with a company (using J2EE 5, and JDK6), and I had to switch from Sun/Oracle JDK to OpenJDK to the app to work. The problem was related with some JCE ("Crypto"/"Key") stuff |
| 20:31.55 | simonrvn | hamid_rostami: you have to register at the wiki before you can create pages. and yes, they're pretty much all over. unless you like to party :P. |
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| 20:32.16 | hamid_rostami | babilen: simonrvn : Ty very much :) |
| 20:32.25 | babilen | no problem .. have a nice evening |
| 20:32.44 | simonrvn | enjoy |
| 20:32.48 | Agiofws | Tului, xchat runs on windows and on linux quiet the same maybe the code is different .. i don;t know i guess the code is the same you just have to crossCompile for the certain kernel i guess |
| 20:33.05 | babilen | hamid_rostami: and party all you want! it is great and much appreciated. ;) |
| 20:33.06 | javahater | eptalon: in my case it's more like failing during the deployment using ant |
| 20:33.21 | arand | Does a simple echo -ne '\a' > /dev/tty1 use the pcspkr module, since my pcspkr module is not loaded, what else could be causing the infernal sound? |
| 20:33.22 | javahater | but i'm totally no java expert, hence my nick which expresses pure noobness. |
| 20:33.26 | simonrvn | Agiofws: there's many underlying differences so the same functionality is available to the various platforms |
| 20:33.47 | hamid_rostami | babilen: yes, thanks ;) |
| 20:33.48 | eptalon | javahater: then it's probably a porblem in the ant script. |
| 20:34.09 | babilen | javahater: I would try it on Debian with openjdk and sun-java6-jdk -- And I am sure that you+#java+epatalon+#debian can figure it out |
| 20:34.25 | simonrvn | Agiofws: you couldn't run an xchat built on linux in windows, or a debian/kfreebsd built one on a linux-based install |
| 20:34.30 | babilen | *eptalon |
| 20:34.31 | eptalon | javahater: ant -v (for verbose), redirect somewhere, and analyse what is going wrong. |
| 20:34.44 | javahater | will do. |
| 20:34.57 | javahater | :) |
| 20:35.03 | Agiofws | simonrvn, you could cross compile it for windows though right ? |
| 20:35.03 | babilen | javahater: good luck (and java support *is* offtopic in here) |
| 20:35.08 | simonrvn | Agiofws: (there's exceptions, but we'll stick to that for the sake of argument) |
| 20:35.20 | javahater | babilen: thanks, and i am aware of that |
| 20:35.27 | javahater | :) |
| 20:35.57 | eptalon | to be more ontopic, since yesterday sid's dist-upgrade wants to remove about half of the xorg packages? |
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| 20:36.18 | simonrvn | Agiofws: eh, not likely. i've never done it, but you'd have to have some extreme setup. |
| 20:36.24 | nsadmin | sid is kinda off topic too :) |
| 20:36.36 | simonrvn | Agiofws: i have experience with freebsd and linux mostly |
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| 20:37.11 | Agiofws | well there is MING a compiler for windows or something like that |
| 20:37.19 | robokop | eptalon: most likely part of the packages are already a new version and dependencies can't be resolved |
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| 20:37.58 | caraconan | Hi. Appart of edit /etc/default/snmp I have to perform additional steps in order to get snmp agent available from outside the LAN where sits my SNMP-enabled server? |
| 20:37.59 | eptalon | robokop: xserver-xorg-core? |
| 20:38.13 | robokop | eptalon: something like that |
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| 20:38.21 | robokop | eptalon: wait a few days |
| 20:38.43 | caraconan | I already checked that listens on port 161 UDP (using netcat - nc pair), but I just can do snmpwalk from the server itself, I get timeouts from a host in the cloud |
| 20:38.46 | caraconan | Any idea? |
| 20:39.21 | Mad7Scientst | I noticed that xterm is not on install CD 1 |
| 20:39.40 | Mad7Scientst | I understand that the more popular packages are put on CD 1 |
| 20:39.49 | Sicelo | Raptors: sorry that I have not worked with Bluetooth so much, but iirc you have to check if you have the correct pin first |
| 20:39.51 | Mad7Scientst | but more weight should be given to smaller packages maybe? |
| 20:40.21 | valdyn | Mad7Scientst: why? isnt it trivial get install xterm still? |
| 20:40.26 | nsadmin | Mad7Scientst: you don't need a cd image of any kind... but if you have cd 1, you can get debian installed, and the net configured after which you can install xterm |
| 20:40.37 | nsadmin | or whatever you want which is packaged |
| 20:41.49 | simonrvn | Agiofws: yeh, there's various windows-based thingies to run linux stuff. but it's built for ming/whatever+windows. |
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| 20:44.47 | nsadmin | Mad7Scientst, besides maybe that indicates xterm is not sufficiently popular to be placed on cd 2 |
| 20:44.51 | nsadmin | err 1 |
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| 20:45.03 | eptalon | Mad7Scientst: The complete set is like about 50 CDs. I doubt many people will download that. |
| 20:45.33 | nsadmin | wow... bloat city... |
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| 20:47.52 | Mad7Scientst | thanks |
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| 20:48.25 | Mad7Scientst | Well I mean CD1 seems to contain gnome |
| 20:48.48 | pipeline | sane persons use the netinstall disc to install a base system, and then install fresh packages from the net |
| 20:48.49 | nsadmin | so what does that mean... gnome popularity > xterm popularity? |
| 20:48.55 | Mad7Scientst | anyway I'm new and I'm looking for a guide to use the package manager, configure networking, and edit xorg.conf |
| 20:49.01 | pipeline | why in the hell would you want to install old versions of packages off of a CD |
| 20:49.31 | Mad7Scientst | nsadmin, maybe, but what if it was gnome popularity / gnome size vs. xterm popularity / xterm size? |
| 20:50.06 | Mad7Scientst | There's nothing wrong with old packages unless they have security holes! |
| 20:50.09 | nsadmin | popularity is determined by the package popularity-context. explore it for the facts |
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| 20:50.22 | nsadmin | and they may not work |
| 20:51.27 | eptalon | Mad7Scientst: "Common" installation is to get a minimal (read 80-150MB) image to configure networking, and then directly get the packages you need off the network. |
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| 20:52.11 | eptalon | As an alternative to this, you can also get CD1/DVD1/BD1... |
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| 20:52.27 | nsadmin | how do I search for the glx libs I have installed currently? |
| 20:53.12 | caraconan | Does someone have a host with SNMP configured to respond from request that comes from outside it's LAN? |
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| 20:54.01 | thewanderer1 | SNMP works on top of IP... you only need working routing |
| 20:54.25 | thewanderer1 | (especially that LAN is an abstract term understood by humans but not by machines) |
| 20:54.30 | nsadmin | check the snmp server config file |
| 20:55.13 | caraconan | I already did it, I'm googling but with no luck |
| 20:55.19 | pipeline | caraconan: snmp doesn't always work well through NAT, as it is a UDP-based protocol. Other than that, yes, you shuold need no special configuration. |
| 20:55.28 | caraconan | I already checked UDP 161 connectivity between 'client' and 'server' |
| 20:55.49 | caraconan | mmm really? That can be the reason |
| 20:56.31 | caraconan | But currenlty the router is in 'DMZ mode' that means (unless I'm wrong) it redirects all the incoming traffic to my internal server |
| 20:56.41 | caraconan | And I already checked UDP connectivity... |
| 20:57.04 | nsadmin | Dan the man in span plans a lan in iran who cam be a fan of a woman |
| 20:58.22 | caraconan | Well, I will continue tomorrow. Bye guys and thanks for your help |
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| 21:04.09 | Mad7Scientst | So are the cd images / torrenst of Lenny now removed for download? |
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| 21:05.14 | themill | Mad7Scientst: not at all; /msg dpkg install lenny |
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| 21:06.18 | Ewald` | Hey hi! |
| 21:06.23 | Datz | couldn't resolve ftp.us.debian.org? |
| 21:06.44 | Datz | humm, it's there.. |
| 21:06.53 | Ewald` | I've a question about installing *sun* java. |
| 21:07.02 | Ewald` | Is here anybody who can help me with that? |
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| 21:07.24 | nsadmin | Ewald`, -no- since you have not asked a question |
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| 21:07.29 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 21:07.30 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
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| 21:07.50 | Datz | does anyone know why when I try and install something via aptitude ftp.us.debian.org can't resolve. and what I should do? |
| 21:07.58 | Ewald` | ok! |
| 21:08.48 | thewanderer1 | Datz: probably misconfigured IPv6 |
| 21:08.51 | nsadmin | Datz: I found 5 resolutions for that address |
| 21:08.59 | AimHere | ftping there worked for me |
| 21:09.02 | nsadmin | ipv4 |
| 21:09.03 | Datz | ic |
| 21:09.14 | Datz | what should I do? |
| 21:09.25 | Datz | I can ping the address fine |
| 21:09.27 | thewanderer1 | hm. configure IPv6 properly or disable it altogether |
| 21:09.30 | Ewald` | I've a java bot which needs sunjava, not others. I downloaded the jre-6u23-linux-i586.bin package from the sun website, and ran it. It made a folder etc with everything in it. But when I do java --version, it doesn't work. So the 'command' 'java' is not recognized by the OS. How do I fix that? |
| 21:09.35 | thewanderer1 | !ipv6 |
| 21:09.35 | dpkg | Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is the next-generation IP version designed to replace IPv4. Available in Debian since <potato>, full IPv6 support is a release goal for Squeeze. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 http://ipv6.debian.net/ http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ http://www.ipv6.org/ #debian-ipv6 on irc.oftc.net, #ipv6 on irc.freenode.net. To disable IPv6 on your system, ask me about <noipv6>. |
| 21:10.07 | Datz | !noipv6 |
| 21:10.07 | dpkg | To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 21:10.08 | nsadmin | do you directly use ipv6? that is, your provider directly routes to you via ipv6? |
| 21:10.17 | Datz | no |
| 21:10.20 | pipeline | Ewald`: you just asked a question that requires a lot of knowledge to answer |
| 21:10.38 | Datz | as far as I know my setup is not ipv6 cabable |
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| 21:10.43 | Datz | capable* |
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| 21:10.48 | pipeline | Ewald`: so instead I'm gonna short-circuit the whole thing. Don't bother fucking around with your Sun-provided installer. Just install the sun-java6-jre package from debian's non-free repository, and let debian configure Sun java for you. |
| 21:10.49 | Ewald` | Like what pipeline? |
| 21:10.56 | Ewald` | oh |
| 21:11.00 | Bushmills | ,versions sun-java6-jre |
| 21:11.01 | judd | Package sun-java6-jre on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 6-22-0lenny1; sid/non-free: 6.22-1; squeeze/non-free: 6.22-1; wheezy/non-free: 6.22-1 |
| 21:11.19 | Bushmills | Ewald`: aptitude install sun-java6-jre |
| 21:11.24 | pipeline | Ewald`: I don't have time to explain all the things you would need to know to keep barking up your original tree, so just install the debian packaged Sun java and have done :) |
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| 21:12.45 | nsadmin | if you've installed java from, eg, a download from sun.com, you'll have to find where the binaries are and add that to your $PATH |
| 21:13.00 | Ewald` | btw @ Bushmills: |
| 21:13.01 | Ewald` | No candidate version found for sun-java6-jre |
| 21:13.01 | Ewald` | No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
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| 21:13.10 | Ewald` | lala. |
| 21:13.14 | Bushmills | Ewald`: add non-free to your sources |
| 21:13.17 | Datz | alright. well I'm unsure of how to do this: add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 21:13.18 | mentor | It's in non-free |
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| 21:15.41 | Datz | could someone help me with this^ |
| 21:16.20 | MaDSeN | hmmm.. vmware-tools wont show in cd-rom on squeezy? |
| 21:16.35 | D-HUND | which bootloader? Datz |
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| 21:17.21 | Datz | D-HUND: I'm not sure. just trying to follow from: !noipv6 |
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| 21:17.42 | Waxhead | 1st: Congratulations with the Squeeze release, 2nd How can I umount using a label?! |
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| 21:18.14 | Datz | D-HUND: aptitude can't resolve ftp.us.debian.org. I was told to disable ipv6 |
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| 21:18.35 | mutante | i booted into rescue mode from an installer cd, says i wont be able to mount the filesystem but i can inspect from a shell in the installer environment, ok, so i do that, and i can mount the filesystem anyways. So now i am just lacking one thing: a texteditor? no vi,no vim and cant find any others either |
| 21:19.03 | babilen | Datz: Edit /etc/default/grub -- GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX + "update-grub" *OR* "echo "net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1" > /etc/sysctl.d/disable-ipv6.conf" |
| 21:19.21 | Datz | thanks |
| 21:19.46 | Ewald` | ah got it Bushmills :> |
| 21:19.51 | Datz | babilen: with second option. I leave quotes? |
| 21:20.25 | babilen | Datz: The outermost quotes have to be removed (they indicate command-start command-end) |
| 21:20.36 | Datz | babilen: ok thanks |
| 21:20.43 | babilen | Datz: But try it first ... one second |
| 21:21.07 | babilen | Datz: "sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1" -- has this the desired effect? |
| 21:21.16 | Datz | let me see |
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| 21:21.54 | Datz | babilen: do I have to restart? |
| 21:21.56 | babilen | Mad7Scientst: Keep it in the channel and don't randomly message people please. Why do you have the impression that Debian is bad? |
| 21:21.59 | babilen | Datz: no |
| 21:22.15 | Bushmills | Waxhead: you can't directly - you need to specify device or mount point |
| 21:22.31 | Mad7Scientst | sorry babilen I was trying to message vxp |
| 21:22.32 | babilen | Datz: There are few cases in which you *have* to restart .. |
| 21:22.46 | mentor | Don't feed the trolls |
| 21:22.59 | Datz | babilen: ok. I was only asking as !noipv6 says to once changes are made |
| 21:23.00 | babilen | Mad7Scientst: Leave vxp -- Spammer and troll |
| 21:23.13 | babilen | Datz: I know |
| 21:23.43 | babilen | Datz: The "restart" is often a good way to make sure that settings are actually applied and that you start from a clean state |
| 21:23.44 | Datz | babilen: looks like aptitude is resolving ftp.us.debian.org fine now. thanks. (I won't have to run this command again?) |
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| 21:25.05 | babilen | Datz: You do, that is the reason why you create the "disable-ipv6.conf" with that setting in /etc/sysctl.d/ -- so that this setting is applied. But I would rather sugges to add the "noipv6" line to /etc/default/grub and run "update-grub" |
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| 21:25.38 | Datz | babilen: I see.. |
| 21:26.00 | babilen | themill: Do you know why aptitude sometimes chokes on ipv6? |
| 21:26.16 | babilen | Datz: You have basically both options |
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| 21:26.33 | Datz | but you said I should add the line in /etc/default/grub instead? |
| 21:26.48 | themill | babilen: everything assumes that, if configured, ipv6 works. Trouble is that some have it configured without it working for internet routes. |
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| 21:27.35 | orflon | Should I run apt-get dist-upgrade after rebooting? |
| 21:27.50 | orflon | (upgrading from lenny to squeeze) |
| 21:27.53 | babilen | themill: I mean, I have ipv6 not disabled, but aptitude is still happily using ipv4 (correctly as I don't have an ipv6 uplink) -- why do some people have to disable ipv6 ... |
| 21:28.20 | themill | if they have an ipv6 link defined, it gets used. |
| 21:28.21 | mentor | orflon: Er, why were you rebooting? |
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| 21:28.35 | orflon | mentor, dpkg says so. |
| 21:28.38 | orflon | for the kernel. |
| 21:28.42 | thewanderer1 | babilen: I have no idea... I'd tell them all to switch to OpenDNS if the response times were better than my ISP's DNS |
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| 21:28.51 | themill | babilen: this can perhaps be tuned in gai.conf |
| 21:28.52 | mentor | orflon: So the upgrade otherwise finished? |
| 21:28.54 | babilen | themill: So the problem is rather that an ipv6 link (and route) is defined and not that ipv6 is disabled in the kernel |
| 21:29.01 | Quibus | hi all, congratulations for the release :-) |
| 21:29.06 | pipeline | thewanderer1: no reason to put up with opendns anymore.. google runs anycast dns geographically distributed now |
| 21:29.12 | orflon | mentor, you mean the dist-upgrade? It hasn't finished yet. |
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| 21:29.19 | babilen | themill: *enabled in the kernel |
| 21:29.23 | Mad7Scientst | Google has DNS now ... 8.8.8.8 |
| 21:29.24 | pipeline | babilen, themill : if you disable ipv6 all your ipv6 links and routes will die |
| 21:29.37 | Quibus | Question though: since a few weeeks my webcam stopped working. In which package should I look in the BTS? |
| 21:29.40 | mentor | orflon: You should wait for it to finish before rebooting? |
| 21:29.42 | babilen | pipeline: Sure, but I find that quite an invasive change |
| 21:29.42 | thewanderer1 | pipeline: yes, and they treat privacy like crap... |
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| 21:30.14 | orflon | mentor, my question is that, should I reboot before running dist-upgrade? I ran an update command before, which updated the kernel. |
| 21:30.21 | niklaswe | in which packages are the command bundle in.. (for ruby) |
| 21:30.32 | thewanderer1 | Quibus: first you should look at the changelog for whatever packages you upgraded |
| 21:30.37 | mentor | orflon: You can postpone the reboot until after you've finished |
| 21:30.48 | orflon | mentor, ah ok. Cool. Thanks. |
| 21:30.50 | babilen | Datz: How do you configure your interfaces? Could you paste "ip route" and "ifconfig -a" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 21:30.58 | Quibus | thewanderer1: I update daily and do not use the webcam often. It may have started to get broken a few months ago |
| 21:31.06 | pipeline | thewanderer1: and you expect one advertising firm to be more trustworthy than another ? |
| 21:31.24 | pipeline | thewanderer1: either way you are entrusting your dns queries to a less than trustworthy party, but with the google dns, you don't have frustrating bogus responses |
| 21:31.37 | Mad7Scientst | Is there a list of which packages are on which CDs? |
| 21:31.41 | themill | mentor: udev maintainer (and release notes) recommends rebooting immediately after installing squeeze kernel and udev then completing the rest of the dist-upgrade. |
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| 21:32.30 | thewanderer1 | actually, how hard would it be for me to run my own DNS? |
| 21:32.32 | babilen | !tell Mad7Scientst -about cd content |
| 21:32.43 | Quibus | Hmm, BTS is offline? |
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| 21:32.50 | babilen | thewanderer1: not hard at all (aptitude install bind9) |
| 21:32.55 | thewanderer1 | babilen: like, a DNS server which does not call any doubtful third parties |
| 21:32.57 | babilen | Quibus: it is not |
| 21:33.08 | Quibus | Unable to connect to Debian BTS; continue [y|N|?]? y |
| 21:33.10 | Bushmills | thewanderer1: recursive or authoritative? |
| 21:33.13 | Quibus | weird |
| 21:33.18 | babilen | thewanderer1: what do you mean? dns is a decentralised service you *have* to recurse |
| 21:33.21 | thewanderer1 | Bushmills: recursive... I know how to make a zone |
| 21:33.32 | Bushmills | thewanderer1: piece of cake |
| 21:33.37 | thewanderer1 | babilen: I know, but I want to recurse to authoritative parties only |
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| 21:33.46 | Spreadsheet | Are there any screenshots of Debian Squeeze already out? |
| 21:33.51 | Spreadsheet | I want to see what it is like |
| 21:34.23 | Bushmills | thewanderer1: i'd check out maradns instead of bind, though. easy config. small memory footprint, fast. simple setup |
| 21:34.37 | Spreadsheet | Does Squeeze have a dark or light theme like etch? |
| 21:34.44 | eptalon | Spreadsheet: what do you expect it to be like? - And what reasonable screenshot could they produce? |
| 21:34.57 | Spreadsheet | I expect it to be like a plain old GNOME desktop |
| 21:35.00 | Spreadsheet | I hope. Without dark themes |
| 21:35.04 | Spreadsheet | I don't like dark themes |
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| 21:35.18 | mentor | themill: I can only reply to that with my opinion of Md, so I shall refrain |
| 21:35.21 | thewanderer1 | Bushmills: yeah, I hate bind... the only reason I ever used it was split view... thanks to NAT :P |
| 21:35.26 | Waxhead | Spreadsheet: it is quite simmilar to lenny |
| 21:35.36 | Spreadsheet | err, i meant etch |
| 21:35.40 | Spreadsheet | >.< |
| 21:35.42 | Spreadsheet | I meant lenny! |
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| 21:35.50 | Spreadsheet | clear |
| 21:36.09 | verbatim | I have no "lo" network interface configured -- how do I fix this? |
| 21:36.11 | mutante | hah, yeah, changing the login dir in /etc/passwd with just cp/sed/grep in rescue mode took a while, but access again :) (really cant have vi in rescue?) |
| 21:36.36 | Bushmills | thewanderer1: there are use cases where bind is not easy to beat |
| 21:36.47 | Quibus | so, where do I put a bug about my gspca webcam which stopped working? |
| 21:37.05 | Quibus | See http://openmsx.pastebin.com/uyhstT29 |
| 21:37.09 | thewanderer1 | Bushmills: so... with MaraDNS I could link up directly to root servers? |
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| 21:37.18 | babilen | Spreadsheet: http://i.imgur.com/CVs4g.png :-þ |
| 21:37.26 | Spreadsheet | babilen: is that a shock image? |
| 21:37.27 | thewanderer1 | (or how else should I do that?) |
| 21:37.34 | babilen | Spreadsheet: no |
| 21:37.36 | Spreadsheet | good it's not |
| 21:37.46 | robokop | mutante fix that you atleast have ed to fix that stuff |
| 21:37.49 | Spreadsheet | I meant default GNOME install :S |
| 21:37.51 | thewanderer1 | heh, awesome is awesome |
| 21:38.03 | Bushmills | thewanderer1: yes, possibly. and easy, actually |
| 21:38.07 | mutante | robokop: couldnt even find "ed" |
| 21:38.26 | aLemmer | I need help getting my NTFS drive to mount, which is the second SATA HD, which only holds media and can be browsed via Windows. I am running Debian 6. |
| 21:38.34 | babilen | Datz: hmm? |
| 21:38.39 | Raptors | bash@debian:~/Downloads$ sudo hcitool cc 00:22:A6:0C:4B:1D | bash@debian:~/Downloads$ sudo hcitool auth 00:22:A6:0C:4B:1D | Not connected. |
| 21:38.43 | mutante | robokop: that was from installer -> enter rescue mode -> "can't mount, but you can check from a shell in installer environment" |
| 21:38.44 | Raptors | Does anyone know how to fix that? |
| 21:38.52 | Quibus | well, I guess I'll ask some time later |
| 21:38.54 | Quibus | good night |
| 21:38.55 | Raptors | 00:22:A6:0C:4B:1D = headset |
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| 21:39.03 | aLemmer | Here's the message I get when attempting to mount, "ntfs Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 12: Failed to read last sector." |
| 21:39.04 | Datz | babilen: idk. did I say something? |
| 21:39.20 | mutante | robokop: and also, it claimed i will not be able to mount anything, but i can check manually, but then mounting is no problem..shrug |
| 21:39.31 | babilen | Datz: No, I asked you something :) |
| 21:39.32 | Datz | babilen: ah, I see what you wrote previously |
| 21:39.38 | babilen | Datz: How do you configure your interfaces? Could you paste "ip route" and "ifconfig -a" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 21:39.39 | Datz | one sec |
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| 21:39.46 | Bushmills | thewanderer1: http://www.maradns.org/tutorial/recursive.html#basic <- basic recursive setup |
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| 21:39.51 | babilen | Datz: ah, ok -- take your time |
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| 21:40.24 | thewanderer1 | Bushmills: thanks, I'll get down to it when it gets more early than late |
| 21:40.51 | Bushmills | thewanderer1: just make sure that the squeeze version has the update from jan21 already |
| 21:41.19 | Datz | babilen: http://pastebin.com/WQBF7vEk |
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| 21:43.56 | babilen | Datz: ah, that is with ipv6 disabled isn't it? |
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| 21:44.31 | ChrisW | so, the squeeze update upgraded postgres from 8.3 to 8.4, but haven't left me with an 8.3 install to run the upgradecluster with |
| 21:44.33 | ChrisW | ideas? |
| 21:44.42 | babilen | Datz: I was interested if we could fix it without the need to disable ipv6 ... it should work. but if you are happy i'm happy as well :) |
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| 21:47.02 | variable | .xsession is run on login - right ? |
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| 21:48.36 | Datz | babilen: I almost thought so :P |
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| 21:48.47 | Datz | I'm not sure how to disable it. |
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| 21:49.33 | jhutchins_lt | !noipv6 |
| 21:49.33 | dpkg | To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 21:50.25 | babilen | Datz: Don't worry .. you don't have to disable the disabling -- I was just in the mood to play a bit more and find the most elegant solution. |
| 21:50.29 | maxxe | i get this error: 'dpkg-maintscript-helper: error: couldn't identify the package' when i try to reconfigure cron, i saw that it was known. actually i tried to run dpkg-reconfigure -a, always do that on fresh installations :) |
| 21:51.00 | maxxe | is there a way to skip just cron on a dpkg-reconfigure -a |
| 21:51.01 | maxxe | ? |
| 21:51.50 | Datz | babilen: ok :) |
| 21:52.08 | Datz | babilen: seems like a good idea, I'll have some time later anyway. |
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| 21:55.26 | valdyn | maxxe: this should be the same as dpkg -l | awk '{ print $2}' | grep -v ^cron$ | xargs dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 21:56.33 | valdyn | maxxe: unless you already removed packages then you need to skip the not-installed but listed packages |
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| 21:57.21 | maxxe | valdyn: yep thanks.. gonna find out a solution |
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| 22:04.30 | Flashtek | does a little dance on his install CD ISO |
| 22:05.40 | LaChouffe | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.44 | ChrisW | gah, anyone know how I can get postgres 8.3 on squeeze? |
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| 22:09.06 | Waxhead | is there some way I can umount by using a label? |
| 22:09.20 | Bushmills | Flash, ice scates are especially well suited for dancing on CDs |
| 22:09.28 | Bushmills | skates |
| 22:09.29 | simonrvn | umount LABEL=foo ? |
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| 22:10.07 | Waxhead | simonrvn: really? thanks (me and google could not find that in any manpage so far) |
| 22:10.22 | Bushmills | won't do |
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| 22:11.23 | simonrvn | it was a guess, after all |
| 22:11.50 | simonrvn | my guesses aren't always right ;p |
| 22:11.51 | Flashtek | is installing in a VM.. |
| 22:11.59 | Flashtek | simonrvn: hey, it was better than mine.. |
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| 22:13.12 | cyberix_ | Can I test multi-arch somehow? |
| 22:13.35 | cyberix_ | Can I apt-get install a bsd kernel to my Linux based Squeeze? |
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| 22:14.27 | ChrisW | any postgres on debian users here? |
| 22:14.31 | simonrvn | Bushmills: won't do, but it is the "intuitive" thing |
| 22:14.42 | simonrvn | cyberix_: why? |
| 22:14.43 | buntunub | maxxe - This was already reported in #596369. It turned out to be a bug in |
| 22:14.43 | buntunub | dpkg-reconfigure, therefore reassigning to debconf. |
| 22:14.43 | buntunub | Christian |
| 22:14.47 | pipeline | How can I prevent my MD devices from starting at boot ? I would like the system to come up with SW RAID disabled |
| 22:15.20 | simonrvn | that's multi-platform, not multi-arch anyway |
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| 22:16.44 | ChrisW | how do I set the locale to utf8 rather than latin1? |
| 22:16.45 | maxxe | buntunub: yeah i saw it.. |
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| 22:17.36 | buntunub | <maxxe> following up on that bug report it looks like a patch is in the works |
| 22:18.16 | blast_hardcheese | I'm having a weird problem installing lenny on a Dell Inspiron 2100. Installer proceeds without a hitch, everything installs fine, just when it comes time to actually boot into the system something hangs right after probing hardware |
| 22:18.21 | buntunub | christian listed the code so maybe you can do the patch yourself and run it |
| 22:19.10 | blast_hardcheese | I tried doing a dist-upgrade from lenny to testing in rescue mode, but I'm getting the same problem |
| 22:19.12 | Bushmills | blast_hardcheese: try to disable acpi as kernel option |
| 22:19.28 | blast_hardcheese | Bushmills: I'll do that now, one second |
| 22:20.07 | cyberix_ | to try it out easily |
| 22:20.17 | blast_hardcheese | Bushmills: awesome, worked like a charm |
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| 22:20.56 | blast_hardcheese | Wish I had asked before, I would have kept my xfs root instead of reverting back to ext3 in an attempt to reduce potential problems |
| 22:21.13 | hecatexx | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.28 | Bushmills | nothing wrong with doing some experimentation |
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| 22:22.03 | Mad7Scientst | what file do I edit to get eth0 working on startup with DHCP or static IP? |
| 22:22.10 | blast_hardcheese | Huh; It fscked and rebooted, now the machine is stuck in the BIOS |
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| 22:22.18 | Mad7Scientst | I'm looking at the networking hand book now but it is really long |
| 22:22.58 | blast_hardcheese | Mad7Scientst: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:23.10 | lapsusbrutus | Mad7Scientst /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:23.32 | riddlebox | hello, what is the best way to upgrade stable to testing, just replace "stable" for testing in apt sources? |
| 22:23.36 | stew | Mad7Scientst: man 5 networking |
| 22:23.46 | Mad7Scientst | thanks |
| 22:23.50 | stew | Mad7Scientst: err, man 5 interfaces, nm |
| 22:24.03 | buntunub | #maxxe I just tried it and it failed as well... had to restart cron |
| 22:24.09 | Mad7Scientst | I see so I have to get ifup / ifdown working first before I put that in interfaces |
| 22:24.20 | babilen | riddlebox: The process is detailed in the release notes -- It is a good idea to follow them |
| 22:24.29 | babilen | !tell riddlebox -about squeeze release notes |
| 22:24.31 | stew | Mad7Scientst: you can't as ifup / ifdown work by reading interfaces |
| 22:24.38 | babilen | !tell riddlebox -about lenny->squeeze |
| 22:25.02 | babilen | riddlebox: The last factoid contains the process in a nutshell -- /me would still recommend to follow the release notes. (ch 4) |
| 22:25.03 | Mad7Scientst | how do I set a static IP? |
| 22:25.21 | riddlebox | ok thanks! |
| 22:25.37 | Mad7Scientst | n/m I see it |
| 22:25.40 | Bushmills | Mad7Scientst: man interfaces |
| 22:25.43 | babilen | riddlebox: If you have any questions during the upgrade just ask. |
| 22:26.06 | Flashtek | arew there upgrade notes anywhere handy ? |
| 22:26.14 | mikepark | does anyone know when we can expect to see the sueeze live install CDs go up? |
| 22:26.31 | babilen | !tell Flashtek about squeeze release notes |
| 22:26.39 | Flashtek | thanks babilen |
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| 22:26.53 | babilen | np |
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| 22:29.48 | mikepark | err... clearly i meant squeeze |
| 22:30.06 | babilen | mikepark: http://live.debian.net/archive/images/6.0.0/ |
| 22:30.25 | simonrvn | mikepark: exsqueeze me? |
| 22:31.14 | riddlebox | babilen: I am used to upgrading ubuntu, just really havent messed with straight debian |
| 22:31.41 | nsadmin | mikepark: try a squeeze netinst |
| 22:31.56 | bkraptor | how do I measure the throughput of a tcp connection? I need to sample it every second |
| 22:31.59 | babilen | mikepark: I am not quite sure what the status of these images is -- You should ask in #debian-live on irc.debian.org -- Particularly in the light of http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/amd64/iso-cd/README |
| 22:32.06 | simonrvn | well debian is designed/packaged so that upgrades are smooth. ubuntu and many other distros don't do this. |
| 22:32.10 | riddlebox | my asterisk/zoneminder server wont boot any other distro now, but debian works perfect on it |
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| 22:32.17 | twinkie_addict | squeeze netinst works great |
| 22:32.28 | mikepark | babilen: hey, thanks! i was looking here http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ :-/ |
| 22:32.31 | babilen | mikepark: What do you need the live image for? |
| 22:32.32 | twinkie_addict | i used it on my netbook |
| 22:32.50 | ma3x | why is kde4 not detecting my default sound device?i see some dummy device in the settings.... mplayer plays fine ... |
| 22:33.07 | babilen | mikepark: I know -- please check with the live people. That might be some (secret) staging area ... |
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| 22:33.24 | mikepark | babilen: i would like to try it on my system. |
| 22:33.33 | twinkie_addict | lol networkmanager cant tell im connected to the internet :) |
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| 22:33.54 | twinkie_addict | says not connectioned |
| 22:34.09 | twinkie_addict | yet im browsing and chating with u |
| 22:34.16 | twinkie_addict | via wifi |
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| 22:35.11 | DotHack | i´m trying a live debian image on usb but it hangs when displaying the syslinux line what could be wrong? |
| 22:35.28 | twinkie_addict | maybe the installer used wicd to config my wi so it dissable networkmanager |
| 22:36.01 | twinkie_addict | how did u transfer it to the usb |
| 22:36.19 | babilen | twinkie_addict: You are most likely not using network-manager to configure your devices then |
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| 22:36.26 | DotHack | with the usb installer app on windows |
| 22:36.49 | twinkie_addict | that may be why |
| 22:36.52 | DotHack | i used it before... for ubuntu live cd |
| 22:37.08 | twinkie_addict | try from a cd |
| 22:37.19 | DotHack | twinkie_addict: i have no empty cd´s here |
| 22:37.37 | babilen | DotHack: which image are you talking about? I am still not sure if there are official live images yet .. |
| 22:37.47 | simonrvn | probably not |
| 22:38.05 | twinkie_addict | unetbootin fails on newr version of linux it once suported |
| 22:38.30 | nsadmin | DotHack better for you to find out what IS wrong rather than having someone else guess what could be wrong |
| 22:38.36 | DotHack | babilen: i found it here: http://live.debian.net/archive/images/6.0.0/ and its dating feb 5th |
| 22:38.39 | twinkie_addict | try dd for win |
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| 22:38.49 | simonrvn | hm ok |
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| 22:39.03 | twinkie_addict | google how set up |
| 22:39.30 | babilen | DotHack: As I said, I am still waiting for confirmation from the live team that these images are ready. |
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| 22:39.47 | nsadmin | at the very least, once you start on that path, you will discover things that will help |
| 22:39.51 | DotHack | babilen: ah ok |
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| 22:40.35 | nsadmin | it could be that even if you write the same image onto a cd it might do the same thing unless the problem is before the cd image is reached |
| 22:41.00 | babilen | DotHack: And I don't think they are until they are pushed to the cdimage mirror -- http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/6.0.0-live/ |
| 22:41.34 | DotHack | babilen: ok i´ll wait for it then! maybe the final will wotk |
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| 22:42.44 | Fudge | hi what channel discusses debian with freebsd kernel please |
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| 22:43.05 | babilen | Fudge: #debian-kbsd on irc.debian.org |
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| 22:43.46 | themill | mentor: ack. That and an opinion of udev and unwritten udev+kernel dependencies. |
| 22:43.58 | Fudge | thanks babilen :D |
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| 22:44.40 | sivik_ | What would cause debian to stop accepting connections even through netstat -nat still shows active ports opened and connections waiting? |
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| 22:45.55 | aLemmer | Can anyone help me with a NTFS drive problem? |
| 22:46.27 | mocca | hi. just want to ask. whats in "debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free" ? i found it disable in sources/list. |
| 22:46.27 | phogg | !ask |
| 22:46.28 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 22:46.46 | spersaud | why would anyone use debian with freebsd kernel ? when there is open bsd ?? |
| 22:46.50 | aLemmer | I need help getting my NTFS drive to mount, which is the second SATA HD, which only holds media and can be browsed via Windows. I am running Debian 6. |
| 22:46.53 | aLemmer | Here's the message I get when attempting to mount, "ntfs Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 12: Failed to read last sector." |
| 22:47.02 | aLemmer | Or rather, here's the Pastebin... |
| 22:47.03 | phogg | spersaud: because some of us like Debian but want ZFS |
| 22:47.18 | aLemmer | http://pastebin.com/ACFxkcyk |
| 22:47.22 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell mocca about bdo |
| 22:47.22 | spersaud | phogg: oh ok |
| 22:47.23 | aLemmer | I'm using Debian 6. |
| 22:47.31 | spersaud | ZFS ..... it is then :) |
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| 22:47.46 | aLemmer | Any ideas? |
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| 22:47.57 | phogg | spersaud: there are other reason, but that's one that tends to click with people |
| 22:48.11 | babilen | spersaud: or pf ... or a freebsd kernel in general. lots of reasons. different choices are always great and debian is not only about linux. |
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| 22:49.12 | Mad7Scientst | aLemmer, 750TB drive? |
| 22:49.19 | Mad7Scientst | 750GB |
| 22:49.32 | aLemmer | Whoah, did I say "TB?" |
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| 22:49.58 | Mad7Scientst | It was my mistake that last sectors is at about 750GB |
| 22:50.05 | aLemmer | Ah, right. |
| 22:50.22 | aLemmer | I thought it was only ~700 GB. |
| 22:50.40 | Mad7Scientst | I'm formatting my 750TB, I'll see you guys in 3 months |
| 22:50.43 | aLemmer | Yeah, it is. |
| 22:50.52 | Mad7Scientst | :P |
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| 22:51.02 | mocca | jelly-home: dpkg not telling. |
| 22:51.16 | aLemmer | It's only 700 GB; not 750 GB, but it shows up as 750 GB in my places menu. |
| 22:51.29 | jelly-home | mocca: http://backports.debian.org/ |
| 22:51.44 | yareckon | Hi folks, now that squeeze is out, when will unstable explode in a giant ball of flames? |
| 22:51.45 | DotHack | aLemmer: do a fdisk -l on the disk |
| 22:51.47 | mocca | jelly-home: thanks |
| 22:51.58 | Mad7Scientst | aLemmer, fdisk -l /dev/sdb |
| 22:52.10 | yareckon | haven't seen a new package tidal wave yet, but wondering what the policy is on that? |
| 22:52.22 | Mad7Scientst | dmesg|grep sdb |
| 22:52.27 | Bushmills | 700 GiB = 751619276800 bytes |
| 22:52.27 | aLemmer | Mad7Scientst can I do that without mounting it? |
| 22:52.31 | Mad7Scientst | yes |
| 22:52.44 | Mad7Scientst | hard drives are in GB |
| 22:53.00 | klync | i just came here to give a w00t! w00t! and say congrats to the makers of the best OS ever. thank you to everyone who helped put together squeeze |
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| 22:53.20 | aLemmer | Oh, nevermind. |
| 22:53.21 | yareckon | I sync with klync |
| 22:53.22 | DotHack | aLemmer: yes it´l just list your partition table |
| 22:53.31 | dvs | klync: Do you have a questions? ;-P Just kidding. |
| 22:53.33 | aLemmer | DotHack: I misunderstood. |
| 22:53.35 | aLemmer | XD |
| 22:54.03 | Mad7Scientst | does debian have wgetpaste? |
| 22:54.07 | yareckon | no one knows about giant balls of flame? |
| 22:54.30 | yareckon | oh well, night all |
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| 22:54.42 | yareckon | :) |
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| 22:58.27 | TuxPowers | Hey, I have some Debian Lenny servers running, but after the release of Squeeze this morning, they are no longer able to update repos, it worked yesterday - Do I have to change anything in /etc/apt/source.list.? At the moment every repo is set with lenny eg. deb http://ftp.dk.debian.org/debian/ lenny. |
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| 22:59.35 | buntunub | i think you just change repo's to squeeze and then upgrade |
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| 22:59.37 | streuner_ | TuxPowers: lenny is supported about 1 year, after this release |
| 23:00.56 | aLemmer | Here's the output of the command: http://pastebin.com/6gT0s6wu |
| 23:01.02 | aLemmer | Where do I go from here? |
| 23:01.14 | TuxPowers | streuner_: yes, but my old lenny servers can't get hold of any repos at all |
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| 23:01.34 | themill | buntunub: umm... no he doesn't want to do that |
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| 23:02.01 | themill | TuxPowers: lenny is still on that mirror. Can you pastebin your sources.list and the output of "apt-get update"? |
| 23:02.49 | buntunub | !TuxPowers http://www.linux-archive.org/debian-user/467647-keeping-lenny-via-etc-apt-sources-list-when-squeeze-becomes-stable.html |
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| 23:04.32 | aLemmer | Can anyone help me mount this NTFS drive that is showing up as 750 GB, whereas the real size is ~700 GB? |
| 23:07.51 | buntunub | hey if you run dpkg-reconfigure -a and it does not finish.. does that break your install? |
| 23:08.14 | streuner_ | no |
| 23:08.16 | mentor | It's more a case of part of your install won't have happened |
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| 23:08.41 | streuner_ | to be concret, its already broken |
| 23:08.52 | buntunub | k i got caught by the debconf bug and the reconfigure stopped at cron |
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| 23:09.03 | TuxPowers | themill: http://pastebin.com/1KGGHHPt I have tried to ping the repo and it answers, and I have tried to dig and nslookup and correct answer from both |
| 23:09.29 | DotHack | aLemmer: looks like that partition type isnt NTFS |
| 23:09.33 | mentor | buntunub: Fix it and hit it again |
| 23:09.42 | buntunub | you cant mento |
| 23:09.55 | buntunub | its a bug in debconf hasnt been fixed yet |
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| 23:10.12 | mentor | Downgrade debconf? |
| 23:10.27 | Mad7Scientst | aLemmer, I don't see /dev/sdb2 |
| 23:10.28 | buntunub | im guessing anyone that runs dpkg-reconfigure -a in squeeze is gonna get hit |
| 23:10.30 | Mad7Scientst | you only have sdb1 |
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| 23:10.59 | aLemmer | Mad7Scientst: Yeah, sorry, typo. |
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| 23:11.13 | jelly-home | buntunub: I've never used that in 12+ years of debconf. |
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| 23:11.43 | aLemmer | Lemme repost... I entered "fdisk -l /dev/sdb1." |
| 23:12.04 | themill | TuxPowers: that's an enormous list of mirrors that is entirely unnecessary, btw. |
| 23:12.53 | jelly-home | buntunub: what would be the usage scenario ie. why would you do that? |
| 23:12.54 | DotHack | aLemmer: ? did you alter the out pout you pasted then? |
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| 23:13.03 | aLemmer | DotHack: http://pastebin.com/a3i7Y9Dj |
| 23:13.10 | aLemmer | I didn't alter the output, no. |
| 23:13.11 | Mad7Scientst | aLemmer, you mean sdb not sdb1 |
| 23:13.24 | Mad7Scientst | if you run fdisk on sdb1 you'll corrupt the partition sector |
| 23:13.25 | aLemmer | Oh well then my previous link was just fine. |
| 23:13.31 | TuxPowers | themill: I have just taken over the server configured, but to have a lot of redundant mirrors cant be the problem |
| 23:13.37 | buntunub | just wanted to optimize the base install |
| 23:14.02 | aLemmer | Mad7Scientst: http://pastebin.com/6gT0s6wu |
| 23:14.04 | DotHack | aLemmer: as Mad7Scientst said there is no sdb2 |
| 23:14.12 | themill | TuxPowers: correct. It's not the problem. But that error also doesn't correspond to anything in the sources.list that you pasted. Do you have anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? |
| 23:14.13 | Mad7Scientst | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.13 | aLemmer | DotHack: Indeed, I am sorry. |
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| 23:14.55 | aLemmer | Mad7Scientst: that just brings up the error I'm trying to solve. |
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| 23:15.17 | aLemmer | http://pastebin.com/FN9xB65p |
| 23:15.47 | Mad7Scientst | what partition code is NTFS? |
| 23:16.00 | Mad7Scientst | his sdb1 is type 42 SFS right now |
| 23:16.45 | katsrc | quick question, if i use ssh and i'm on an unsecured wifi connection does the password to the remote server get encrypted |
| 23:16.46 | TuxPowers | themill: nope, but the error is for security.debian.org (line 38 in pastebin) |
| 23:16.46 | Mad7Scientst | But that shouldn't matter for mounting sdb1 directly should it the mount program and ntfs doesn't look at the parition taable |
| 23:16.55 | katsrc | or is it shown in plain text? |
| 23:16.55 | streuner_ | /dev/sda2 * 1314 34572 38912000 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 23:16.56 | Bushmills | katsrc: yes |
| 23:16.59 | Mad7Scientst | Everything is encypted |
| 23:17.05 | Bushmills | katsrc: still better would be to use keys |
| 23:17.07 | streuner_ | oh |
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| 23:17.16 | Mad7Scientst | ahh type 7 thanks |
| 23:17.21 | katsrc | Bushmills: great, thank you |
| 23:17.28 | themill | TuxPowers: no -- that deb line would generate a URL with "updates" in it and that url would work. |
| 23:17.57 | Mad7Scientst | aLemmer, you can set your sdb1 to type "7" HPFS/NTFS but I don't know that that will fix anything. It's fdisk /dev/sdb, t, 7, w, q |
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| 23:18.12 | TuxPowers | themill: I will try to go through it again - just a sec |
| 23:18.26 | aLemmer | Mad7Scientst hey, so I'm going to execute, "fdisk /dev/sdb, t, 7, w, q", right? |
| 23:18.39 | Mad7Scientst | press t then 7 then w then q |
| 23:18.41 | Ryushin | Just updated to squeeze on my home firewall. Something is throttling bandwidth and I cant seem to find out what it is. |
| 23:19.00 | riddlebox | babilen: |
| 23:19.10 | themill | TuxPowers: perhaps you can pastebin the entire output. Use "pastebinit" if you want a convenient tool to get the entire output. Also /msg dpkg show sources.list me |
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| 23:19.21 | DotHack | aLemmer: please remeber to change it back to 42 when u want to use it from windows! |
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| 23:31.37 | *** topic/#debian is squeeze released (YAY! mirrors will take time to update) /msg dpkg squeeze ; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze | /msg dpkg new website | lenny (5.0.8) /msg dpkg 5.0.8 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | FAQ: http://bit.ly/DebFAQ | channel logs: http://bit.ly/DebFNDLog |
| 23:31.38 | themill | TuxPowers: do you have some sort of proxy or firewall in the way? |
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| 23:32.02 | beardy | !kfreebsd |
| 23:32.03 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 were released as "technology preview" for Squeeze, ask me about <install guide>. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 23:32.16 | KipMacy | how about in a system i install brand new ? also why would i want to run a freebsd kernel in my debian system? i have blown plenty of hours of my life editing KERNEL file and doing make buildworld && blah blah blah , but that was years ago |
| 23:32.22 | ChrisW | I'm getting temporary failures when trying to deliver to dovecot from postfix as a result of the squeeze update, anyone know what might cause that? |
| 23:32.22 | TuxPowers | themill: I know about the ipv6 error, we a in the process of getting an ipv6 tunnel cause our ISP doesn't provide IPv6 support yet |
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| 23:32.48 | daemonkeeper | KipMacy: Because FreeBSD brings you things you haven't in Linux, think of ZFS for example |
| 23:33.02 | beardy | KipMacy: If you don't see a reason, don't? |
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| 23:33.08 | TuxPowers | themill: no proxy but a firewall-server yes, and it runs lenny, and it can update its repo def, and its the same source.list file |
| 23:33.35 | TuxPowers | and my lap can also update repo :S |
| 23:33.44 | KipMacy | so i could possibly run non giant hack ZFS in Debian? |
| 23:33.50 | daemonkeeper | Yes |
| 23:33.55 | beardy | !zfs |
| 23:33.55 | dpkg | ZFS (originally Zettabyte File System) is a file system / logical volume manager developed by Sun Microsystems (http://deb.li/7xXU). The Debian GNU/kFreeBSD kernel since 7.2 has ZFS support, the userland utilities are packaged as zfsutils in squeeze. A <FUSE> implementation for Debian GNU/Linux systems is in zfs-fuse. For ZFS on Squeeze, see http://deb.li/i4JhI . http://zfs-fuse.net/ #zfs-fuse on irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:33.55 | trebuchet | where the hell is the regular debian site, this looks too hipster/new |
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| 23:34.11 | daemonkeeper | trebuchet: You found it. |
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| 23:34.14 | DotHack | bar if you dont thrust it you shouldnt use -y... this will try to autofix all problems... sometimes this goed wrong |
| 23:34.14 | trebuchet | only openbsd will keep the simplicity of the website looks |
| 23:34.52 | DotHack | ChrisW: you use sieve? |
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| 23:34.58 | frol | hi |
| 23:35.11 | frol | is it normal that i didn't have the command xrandr |
| 23:35.21 | frol | i'm running on debian |
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| 23:35.35 | streuner_ | judd, file xrandr |
| 23:35.40 | judd | xrandr in squeeze/i386: bash-completion: etc/bash_completion.d/xrandr; lxrandr: usr/bin/lxrandr; x11-xserver-utils: usr/bin/xrandr; ltsp-client-core: usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc.d/I10-xrandr; zsh-beta: usr/share/zsh-beta/functions/Completion/X/_xrandr; zsh: usr/share/zsh/functions/Completion/X/_xrandr |
| 23:36.02 | beardy | !installit |
| 23:36.02 | dpkg | Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 23:36.37 | ChrisW | DotHack: yep, just found about the changes |
| 23:37.05 | ChrisW | *sigh* is there any way to find out what is going to break as a result of a major upgrade rather than just having to try it and see what breaks? |
| 23:37.17 | DotHack | ChrisW: reaf the release notes!! |
| 23:37.20 | DotHack | read! |
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| 23:38.07 | TuxPowers | themill: found the problem, it was a rung netmask on the interface... sorry :P |
| 23:38.22 | themill | TuxPowers: ahh... very good. Nice to have it solved :) |
| 23:38.28 | ChrisW | DotHack: where are they? |
| 23:38.43 | ChrisW | how do I know which packages are going to have break-ing changes? |
| 23:38.46 | themill | ChrisW: if it were an important system, you'd try it out in advance on a dummy box or in a vm. Most important changes are either in the release notes or in the packages NEWS files that the apt-listchanges package will show to you during upgrade. |
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| 23:39.39 | phaer | frol: Depends on your definition of "normal" but if you have x11-xserver-utils installed you should have xrandr. |
| 23:39.40 | ChrisW | themill: what's apt-listchanges? |
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| 23:40.03 | themill | dpkg: tell ChrisW about apt-listchanges |
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| 23:40.25 | DotHack | ChrisW: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ |
| 23:40.32 | frol | my problem is i didn't foud xrandr. aptitude install xrandr doesn't foud any version, apt-cache search xrandr doesn't give me what i need |
| 23:40.33 | ChrisW | themill: heh! why isn't that part of the standard packages? |
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| 23:41.15 | phaer | frol: Did you install x11-xserver-utils? |
| 23:41.56 | streuner_ | ChrisW: thats a decision of a DD |
| 23:42.09 | frol | phaer: no thanks ;) how can i foud the package in wich a program is |
| 23:42.10 | themill | frol: as judd just pointed out, it's in x11-xserver-utils. You might like to know about apt-file; apt-file is your friend; /msg dpkg apt-file. |
| 23:42.23 | ChrisW | streuner_: what's a DD? |
| 23:42.27 | DotHack | ChrisW: everybody knows to read the release notes on a new release duhhhh |
| 23:42.51 | ChrisW | DotHack: *shrugs* in 10 years of using debian, I've never been pointed at them |
| 23:42.58 | streuner_ | ChrisW: but , anyway, apt-listchanges are important for testing and unstable, so they prolly think you should know it by default |
| 23:43.09 | streuner_ | ChrisW: Debian-Developer |
| 23:43.16 | phaer | frol: apt-file for example. |
| 23:44.11 | phaer | frol: Or using judd, a bot in this channel like streuner_ did after you wrote your question. |
| 23:44.15 | DotHack | ChrisW: well now you are :) the change of sieve is in there you know |
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| 23:44.29 | aLemmer | I'm back. |
| 23:44.30 | streuner_ | ChrisW: its kinda a basic lesson to use apt-listchanges for testing or unstable |
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| 23:44.43 | ChrisW | streuner_: again, no-one ever mentioned it ;-) |
| 23:44.48 | un214 | where to get a complete sources.list for debian squeeze to merge? |
| 23:44.49 | ChrisW | I'll use it for stable... |
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| 23:45.15 | streuner_ | ChrisW: its almost impossible to mention everything |
| 23:45.36 | SimonS | HI |
| 23:45.36 | themill | un214: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze; /msg dpke lenny sources.list |
| 23:45.39 | Cain | when a job is added to /etc/cron.* it will be executed as root ? |
| 23:45.47 | TMM | how feasible is it to side/down grade a sid box to squeeze? |
| 23:45.51 | ChrisW | ah well, got to sleep now |
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| 23:45.56 | ChrisW | thanks for the help |
| 23:46.00 | frol | sorry power failure |
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| 23:46.05 | themill | TMM: when did you last update? |
| 23:46.17 | TMM | week or two ago I think themill |
| 23:46.39 | themill | TMM: "easily" is probably not a good word for the process then. /msg dpkg partial downgrade; good luck. |
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| 23:47.01 | aLemmer | How do I switch partition codes on an HD? |
| 23:47.07 | un214 | themill: sorry can't use that as I don't have a sources.list for lenny |
| 23:47.10 | SimonS | ah thank god, my question just solved herself |
| 23:47.17 | dvs | aLemmer: fdisk |
| 23:47.25 | TMM | themill, well, 'easily' isn't what I'm going for 'feasible' I have a remote box that I had to upgrade to sid because they gave me a testing box, and testing was horribly broken at the time... but I'd rather have a debian stable on there |
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| 23:47.44 | un214 | I have only ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib nonfree |
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| 23:47.58 | un214 | I think there's supposed to be more |
| 23:48.00 | dvs | un214: NON-FREE |
| 23:48.03 | themill | un214: what more do you want? (you should have a line for security) |
| 23:48.07 | dvs | oops |
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| 23:48.11 | un214 | themill: exactly |
| 23:48.24 | themill | dpkg: tell un214 about squeeze security |
| 23:48.25 | un214 | I haven't got it or any other such lines |
| 23:48.42 | themill | TMM: give it a bash then... there shouldn't be too many problems... but downgrading is not really supported so you could easily have a lot of trouble. |
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| 23:49.30 | jhambo | hi folks trying to install 6.0 from scratch. the installer asks for firmware files iwlwifi1000-1.ucode as well as -2 -3. Where do I get those files? |
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| 23:50.31 | amorel | anyone know why a custome installed kernel, 2.6.35 and 2.6.37 cant find the root filesystem? I'm using UUIDs, the stable kernel loads fine |
| 23:50.38 | amorel | 2.6.36 even |
| 23:50.47 | amorel | after upgrqading to squeeze |
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| 23:51.34 | mentor | amorel: It worked before? |
| 23:51.36 | un214 | themill: any others I need to know about? |
| 23:51.41 | mentor | amorel: Regenerate the initrd? |
| 23:51.55 | themill | amorel: didn't include relevant filesystem or hardware drivers, usually. (either in compile or in initramfs) |
| 23:51.59 | amorel | hm yes i could try |
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| 23:52.32 | themill | un214: there's also squeeze-updates (volatile) but that's much lower priority. Ask dpkg about them too. |
| 23:53.14 | jhambo | when the installer asks for some firmware, how do I figure out where to find that firmware? |
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| 23:53.36 | TMM | themill, thanks, I guess I'll just rebuild my remote box in a KVM and test the procedure... I once installed debian on a box that ran CentOS, completely remotely and that worked out fine in the end :) |
| 23:53.36 | streuner_ | they live usually in /lib/firmware |
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| 23:53.48 | phaer | I'm using a custom kernel (voyage linux) which seems to miss a module (ipw2200) which is included in standard debian kernels. How do i build this module for the custom kernel? |
| 23:54.03 | streuner_ | jhambo: Debian isnt care much about FW at all... |
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| 23:54.47 | streuner_ | jhambo: so just install/download that FW into /lib/firmware and pray |
| 23:54.55 | jham | urgh.. |
| 23:54.59 | Grell | hey, where can i get an image of (testing/wheezy)? i just d/led the latest "testing" netinst image but when i tried to install it, everything was 'squeeze' |
| 23:55.51 | ggoes | jhambo: The installer can pick it up from a USB stick (best with FAT32) or you can try dumping them in /lib/firmware. Sometimes it will show you where to get the firmware in the messages window. |
| 23:55.54 | streuner_ | Grell: do you think there is a whezzy netinstall image after one day of a releas? |
| 23:55.54 | amorel | mentor: its complaining /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxx doesnt exist |
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| 23:56.17 | sansen | greedo, today squeeze and wheezy are practically the same |
| 23:56.26 | amorel | i re-installed the custom kernel whioch should have regenerated the initrd |
| 23:56.29 | jhambo | ggoes: I'm trying to find where the firmware files are so that I can put them onto usb stick during installation |
| 23:56.33 | buntunub | for nonfree firmware you have to download the tarball for that |
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| 23:56.54 | sansen | oops Grell ^ |
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| 23:56.55 | streuner_ | into /lib/firmware |
| 23:57.26 | buntunub | nah i think the installer takes care of all that for you |
| 23:57.31 | ggoes | I think he means where to download the firmware online. |
| 23:57.32 | themill | dpkg: tell Grell about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 23:57.51 | buntunub | yea just follow the install guide its all there |
| 23:58.05 | themill | sansen: careful... there's already 15% of source packages differing between squeeze and wheezy. They diverge very quickly. |
| 23:58.29 | jhambo | buntunub: I downloaded firmware-nonfree.tar.gz, and put it onto usb stick. That solved one think the installer was looking for, rtl8168-1.fw. But now it's asking for iwlwifi1000-1.ucode, iwlwifi1000-2.ucode, and iwlwifi1000-1.ucode. and firmware-nonfree doesn't seem to provide those... |
| 23:59.54 | sansen | dpkg: tell sansen about squeeze->wheezy |
