| 00:00.03 | SimonS | jhambo, i think both firmwares are in the non-free repo |
| 00:00.48 | SimonS | maybe try firmware-iwlwifi |
| 00:01.29 | jhambo | SimonS: ah goood call lemme try that |
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| 00:01.53 | luichi | hello |
| 00:02.09 | SimonS | hi luichi |
| 00:02.44 | dvs | it's Susan! |
| 00:03.09 | flock-_ | It's possible to make some kind of script that every X minutes check a dir like /home/user/stuff and if theres a file name something.NAME he .zip it and remove the non zip file? or any method to do it? thank you. |
| 00:03.25 | dvs | flock-_: cron |
| 00:03.52 | amorel | ok i tried re-install udev |
| 00:03.55 | jhambo | SimonS: hmm somehow that is the same .tar.gz as the one I already tried: firmware-nonfree.tar.gz. It has iwlwifi1000-3.ucode in it but not -1 or -2... |
| 00:04.12 | SimonS | hmm |
| 00:04.20 | SimonS | so your wireless doesn't work atm |
| 00:04.21 | SimonS | ?? |
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| 00:04.40 | jhambo | SimonS: nope. I'm trying to install debian from scratch |
| 00:04.51 | amorel | when I boot a custom kernel it can't find the root FS and complains /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxx does not exist |
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| 00:05.16 | amorel | something must not be triggered but I dont know what |
| 00:05.19 | phaer | I've got an Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG listed in "lspci" output, but not in "ifconfig -a". What could be wrong? A missing driver? |
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| 00:06.01 | SimonS | hmm ok jhambo, you are still using the installer? i think the installer uses a different kernel, so maybe some firmware files are not compatible... |
| 00:06.04 | jjohnson | any advantages of using debian bsd? |
| 00:06.19 | SimonS | jjohnson, you have the bsd kernel ;) |
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| 00:06.38 | jhambo | SimonS: seems to be that the files iwlwifi1000-1 and -2 just don't exist, even though the installer wants them... |
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| 00:07.27 | SimonS | maybe try installing withoud wireless and after install check if wireless works... as i sayd -> different kernels.. |
| 00:07.59 | jjohnson | true, is the bsd kernel better/more efficient as a router/firewall |
| 00:08.06 | jjohnson | ? |
| 00:08.18 | twinkie_addict | \gnome network-mangeler should handel you wifi aftyer install |
| 00:08.22 | jhambo | SimonS: yah.... I was hoping this would finally be the debian that would let me use wireless without spending a week of fiddling to get it right... ah well |
| 00:08.44 | SimonS | you booted the installer cd right? |
| 00:09.20 | jhambo | SimonS: yes. |
| 00:09.21 | SimonS | try uname -r |
| 00:09.47 | jhambo | SimonS: I haven't even installed a base system yet. It's still in the installer asking for firmware. |
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| 00:10.06 | ggoes | jhambo: This is very weird.. From what I'm reading ucode-1 and ucode-2 were only required in kernel versions prior to 2.6.32. |
| 00:10.21 | SimonS | and the installer uses an older one |
| 00:10.27 | SimonS | prioer to 2.6.32 |
| 00:10.37 | jhambo | ggoes: what kernel does the installer install by default? |
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| 00:10.44 | SimonS | 2.6.32 i think |
| 00:10.49 | SimonS | 2.6.32-5 i think |
| 00:10.55 | SimonS | but it boots an older one during install |
| 00:11.00 | bocaneri | The debian running on the bsd kernel has bsd firewall? Does it also have zfs? |
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| 00:11.13 | luichi | imagine a package 'a' which depends of 'b' and 'c'. 'b' depends of 'd'. if i put aptitude install a package 'd' will beinstalled? |
| 00:11.28 | jhambo | SimonS: ahhh okay so maybe I'll just try plugging in via ethernet for the install... |
| 00:11.39 | SimonS | yap |
| 00:11.58 | dvs | luichi: yes |
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| 00:12.09 | luichi | dvs: ok thanks |
| 00:12.16 | dvs | np |
| 00:12.20 | phaer | bocaneri: I've never used debian on freebsd, but because fs support is a kernel thing: I guess so :) |
| 00:12.43 | phaer | bocaneri: http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_why says it has ZFS support. |
| 00:12.52 | bocaneri | It's *at* the kernel level, yes, but I'm not sure I ever properly understood exactly how it's positioned. |
| 00:13.05 | SimonS | i'm not sure if the userspace-tools for zfs are in the debian-repo |
| 00:13.21 | toropisco | bocaneri: Debian/kFreeBSD supports both ipfw and pf |
| 00:13.22 | SimonS | in the default repos there is just zfs-fuse |
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| 00:13.54 | bocaneri | I'm not sure I'd want to trust zfs-fuse |
| 00:14.03 | jjohnson | btw does debian/bsd support xfs and jfs? |
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| 00:14.11 | toropisco | jjohnson: no |
| 00:14.27 | streuner_ | strange |
| 00:15.06 | phaer | bocaneri, toropisco: according to http://tucobsd.blogspot.com/2010/08/apt-get-install-zfsutils.html zfsutils are in the Debian GNU/kFreeBSD repos |
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| 00:15.38 | toropisco | why? xfs and jfs depend heavily on the Linux VFS. A completely different animal to the VFS in each BSD. |
| 00:15.41 | SimonS | btw. does anybody know details about debian on embedded systems... i'm still looking for a goot system for a sharp zaurus |
| 00:15.49 | phaer | bocaneri, toropisco: but, of course, i don't know anything about its stability |
| 00:16.33 | jjohnson | k, ill stick with linux debian on my server but my firewall router might get a bsd distro |
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| 00:17.11 | toropisco | phaer: Hmm...? Youse talking to me? Don't preach to the choir. :-) |
| 00:17.17 | bocaneri | From this all, I'm extrapolating that kfreebsd won't support the same range of hardware that debian linux would - modules won't just "work". |
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| 00:19.06 | toropisco | bocaneri: you are correct. The emphasis on FreeBSD (kernels) is to support server-class hardware. But it runs swell in modern desktop hardware, as long as it isn't too bleeding edge. |
| 00:19.17 | toropisco | And it has no Intel video. |
| 00:19.37 | bocaneri | I'm worried about laptops that I can't run pcbsd on. :D |
| 00:20.01 | toropisco | bocaneri: then they won't be able to run Debian/kFreeBSD either. |
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| 00:20.22 | assurbanipal | hi i just installed debian and lxde with the network install cd on a laptop.the laptop seems to start but i get nothing on screen... seems to be an x prob.plz help me out |
| 00:20.29 | bocaneri | yes, they can, just not on bare metal. I'm thinking about giving kfreebsd a spin in VirtualBox |
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| 00:20.52 | toropisco | In fact, as I wrote above. Debian/kFreeBSD doesn't support Intel video because the Xorg is newer than in FreeBSD 8. |
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| 00:22.57 | tuxroot | how can hi |
| 00:23.41 | toropisco | bocaneri: Last time I tried to install Debian/kFreeBSD (last month) it didn't work out under VBox. FreeBSD 8.2RC did install. There is something weird with the kernel packaging in Debian/kFBSD. |
| 00:23.48 | tuxroot | how can i change my passphr |
| 00:24.24 | bocaneri | tuxroot, your passphrase in what? |
| 00:24.46 | tuxroot | my passphrase cryt |
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| 00:25.08 | luichi | how can i see which files a .deb installs? |
| 00:25.21 | tuxroot | i can not boot anymore my debian |
| 00:25.30 | themill | luichi: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 00:26.04 | twinkie_addict | clean istall is your friend |
| 00:26.14 | twinkie_addict | install even lol |
| 00:26.27 | luichi | themill: sorry i don't understand your command |
| 00:26.38 | luichi | themill: imagin |
| 00:26.38 | themill | dpkg: tell luichi about apt-file |
| 00:26.51 | themill | luichi: the bot dpkg just gave you some useful info |
| 00:26.55 | phaer | I see my ipw2200 in lspci but not in ifconfig -a. What could that be? |
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| 00:27.12 | luichi | themill: so if i have a file called epson.deb? |
| 00:27.40 | themill | luichi: ahh, in that case, use "dpkg-deb -c" |
| 00:28.09 | jelly-home | phaer: is firmware-ipw2x00 installed? |
| 00:28.16 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell phaer about ipw2200 |
| 00:28.22 | phaer | jelly-home: Yes it is |
| 00:28.28 | luichi | themill: ok thanks |
| 00:28.58 | babilen | phaer: and what is the output of "modrobe -r ipw2200 ; modprobe ipw2200 ; dmesg|tail -10" ? |
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| 00:29.10 | jelly-home | phaer: did you reboot or modprobe -r/modprobe the driver after installing the firmware? |
| 00:29.11 | phaer | jelly-home: But the ipw2200 kernel module is not. I'm using a non-standard kernel (voyage linux). Any suggestion how i could build that module for this kernel |
| 00:29.18 | themill | phaer: is this still a custom kernel? |
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| 00:29.31 | babilen | phaer: voyage linux? |
| 00:29.39 | jelly-home | phaer: it's part of the kernel. Rebuild your custom kernel. |
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| 00:30.00 | babilen | phaer: Just install a standard Debian kernel and don't waste your time. |
| 00:30.01 | tuxroot | bocaneri> how can i change the passphrase crypt |
| 00:30.13 | themill | !voyage linux |
| 00:30.13 | dpkg | Voyage Linux is a distribution <based on Debian> targetted for x86 embedded platforms. Supported via mailing list. http://linux.voyage.hk/ Not supported in #debian. |
| 00:31.08 | phaer | babilen: Yes. It's a customized debian for stuff like the alix |
| 00:31.08 | phaer | jelly-home: i'll do. thank you |
| 00:31.11 | bocaneri | I don't understand what's meant by "passphrase crypt". |
| 00:31.15 | babilen | assurbanipal: ping |
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| 00:31.58 | nutron-home | what's the magical disk usage command? du -h|sort ... somethingorother? |
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| 00:32.27 | babilen | phaer: Ask them -- but you really just want to recompile the kernel. it is a standard module and should be easy to enable/compile in the kernel. |
| 00:32.35 | tuxroot | bocaneri> the password for the crypt passphrase during |
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| 00:32.59 | babilen | tuxroot: You end your sentences in the middle ... during the what? install? |
| 00:33.00 | ZykoticK9 | Where (if possible) can I access Fuse/Gvfs mounts in Debian? Under Ubuntu they would appear in ~/.gvfs. I've used Places / Connect to Server / SSH and would like to be able with a terminal. |
| 00:33.12 | phaer | babilen: Already recompiling ;) |
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| 00:34.43 | babilen | tuxroot: If I understand you correctly: You installed Debian, encrypted your harddisk (dm-crypt) and forgot the passphrase? |
| 00:35.16 | babilen | assurbanipal: still there? |
| 00:35.47 | tuxroot | babilen i have the password, but after kernel update i can not give, because the keyboard has changed |
| 00:35.50 | assurbanipal | babilen, yes, also trying to get help in othre irc channel too.... can u help me? |
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| 00:36.41 | babilen | assurbanipal: I can't be certain. What is the current status? |
| 00:36.58 | babilen | tuxroot: Ah, and you have no way to guess/know the current keymap? |
| 00:36.58 | assurbanipal | babilen, the laptop boots but no X |
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| 00:37.34 | babilen | assurbanipal: Ok. Can you switch to a console (ctrl-alt-f1) ? |
| 00:37.41 | assurbanipal | ok |
| 00:37.49 | assurbanipal | i get the terminal working |
| 00:37.51 | tuxroot | babilen i have rescue mode startet but i need change the password in p |
| 00:38.01 | babilen | tuxroot: in p? |
| 00:38.20 | tuxroot | in passhrase |
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| 00:38.49 | nsadmin | heya, I have this card: 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RS690 [Radeon X1200 Series] [1002:791e]... when trying to start x, the log produced seen at http://pastebin.com/dtX817hx |
| 00:39.15 | babilen | assurbanipal: wonderful -- please install "pastebinit" and run "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net /var/log/Xorg.0.log" and "lspci -nn|pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" |
| 00:39.24 | nsadmin | the error says that symbols can't be found, there's only one (EE) in the log |
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| 00:40.19 | nsadmin | (EE) GLX error: Can not get required symbols. |
| 00:40.55 | babilen | tuxroot: can you luksOpen it from the rescue system? if so you can give another passphrase with "luksAddKey" |
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| 00:41.15 | nsadmin | what seems weird to me is it's loading ati and vesa drivers as it thinks those are the ones that match |
| 00:41.16 | tuxroot | ok i try thnx |
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| 00:42.17 | babilen | tuxroot: I am talking about "cryptsetup luksOpen/luksAddKey" here if that wasn't clear :) |
| 00:42.17 | nsadmin | would that mean the lib isn't present? |
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| 00:42.29 | assurbanipal | babilen, it sais i m not in sudoers file,should i try loging in as root? |
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| 00:42.50 | babilen | assurbanipal: sure |
| 00:43.02 | babilen | assurbanipal: "su" â root password |
| 00:43.40 | babilen | assurbanipal: sudo is not installed by default on Debian if you enter a root password |
| 00:44.11 | babilen | (or configured for your user -- we can do that later) |
| 00:45.35 | twinkie_addict | i hate sudo any way :) |
| 00:45.47 | twinkie_addict | prefers good old su |
| 00:46.32 | assurbanipal | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/106730 |
| 00:46.53 | bocaneri | I actually like sudo. |
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| 00:48.17 | assurbanipal | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/106731 |
| 00:48.21 | babilen | twinkie_addict: sudo is powerful and needed for a bunch of setups |
| 00:48.28 | babilen | assurbanipal: thank you |
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| 00:48.53 | amorel | anyone have an idea why a custom kernel fails to find the root FS after upgrading to squeeze? I am using UUIDs and regenerated the initrd. The error is /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxx does not exist |
| 00:49.04 | amorel | i can boot a stable kernel fine |
| 00:50.09 | Loafers | is it normal for the debian installer to take 10+ minutes for the hardware detection phase? |
| 00:50.10 | nevyn | you havn't included your disk controller? |
| 00:50.19 | nevyn | or sd disk support |
| 00:50.25 | nevyn | or initrd support? |
| 00:50.38 | jimmybgood | amorel: what version kernel? |
| 00:50.50 | amorel | 2.6.36-1 and 2.6.37 |
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| 00:51.44 | assurbanipal | babilen, any ideas? |
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| 00:51.56 | jimmybgood | amorel: well, newer kernels should work with squeeze udev, i was just thinking an older kermel might not |
| 00:52.03 | babilen | assurbanipal: Give me a second -- /me reads logs |
| 00:52.30 | amorel | yeah so i wonder whats up with that |
| 00:52.37 | mordocai_laptop | So using debian testing (not squeeze anymore) I noticed that I get this from debian-multimedia: W: Failed to fetch http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/testing/main/source/Sources.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch. Is this just something on their end? |
| 00:52.42 | babilen | assurbanipal: Just a short question: Do you actually see anything during the boot? Grub? when is the monitor turning black? |
| 00:53.14 | assurbanipal | yes i get through grub but when it should start x and lxde just black |
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| 00:53.59 | luichi | when you do /etc/init.d/cups start cups has to appear if you use 'top' command? |
| 00:54.29 | mordocai_laptop | assurbanipal: Just seen the part since "any ideas?" but tried runlevel 3 to make sure you can at least get there? |
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| 00:54.57 | jimmybgood | amorel: you could try mounting by label or device at least to see if the uuid is being properly noted |
| 00:55.09 | assurbanipal | mordocai_laptop, not gettung u mate.. |
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| 00:55.49 | babilen | assurbanipal: So, you see the complete boot? |
| 00:55.49 | mordocai_laptop | assurbanipal: Well, you said x isn't starting. Have you tried booting into runlevel 3? http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 |
| 00:56.22 | amorel | jimmybgood: it's the correct UUID and I tried root=/dev/sda1 as a boot parameter also |
| 00:56.49 | assurbanipal | babilen, yes i see the boot but nothing after that |
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| 00:57.08 | babilen | assurbanipal: ok |
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| 00:58.46 | jimmybgood | amorel: do you have any other disks besides /dev/sda? |
| 00:59.31 | mordocai_laptop | Hmmm... is that article I linked assurbanipal outdated? I happen to know that at least in squeeze run level 3 is indeed text console mode, and 5 is graphical. |
| 00:59.42 | mordocai_laptop | At least, init 3 switched me to text console mode |
| 01:00.20 | babilen | mordocai_laptop: assurbanipal already has access to the console |
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| 01:00.31 | jimmybgood | amorel: do you have an initrd? are drivers for the disk controller and file system available? |
| 01:01.06 | mordocai_laptop | babilen: Cool, that was what I was asking when I talked to him (sucks coming in late sometimes :) ). In any case, do you know the answer to my question? |
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| 01:02.17 | amorel | jimmybgood: yes I do |
| 01:02.19 | babilen | I haven't read the article, so I can't tell you if it is outdated |
| 01:02.23 | flaccid | ah squeeze goodness |
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| 01:02.24 | amorel | things is it loaded fine before the upgrade |
| 01:02.42 | amorel | maybe i have to add some module/driver to the kernel for the newer udev? |
| 01:03.03 | amorel | or create a more generic initrd? how? |
| 01:03.04 | babilen | !tell mordocai_laptop -about runlevel |
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| 01:05.34 | jimmybgood | amorel: you could try skipping the initrd and build into the kernel all drivers needed to mount the root file system |
| 01:05.53 | ex-parrot | does anyone know why the upgrade process to squeeze wants to remove my "wheel" group? also is there a published explanation for why apt-get is preferred for lenny->squeeze upgrades? |
| 01:06.13 | amorel | jimmybgood: i could but thats avoiding the problem, i need top know what's the problem |
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| 01:06.41 | Skeeter- | is it possible to make a reverse usb share??? |
| 01:06.53 | jimmybgood | amorel: true, but it might make give you a position to troubleshoot |
| 01:06.56 | ex-parrot | Skeeter-: can you be more specific about what you're trying to do? |
| 01:07.01 | amorel | i'm gonna reconfigure/rebuild this custom kernel |
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| 01:07.13 | amorel | yes i will keep it in mind |
| 01:08.04 | babilen | assurbanipal: I can't quite see the problem. What is strange is that the driver wants to set a resolution of 800x600 and nothing else. I would suggest to ask in #intel-gfx and show them that log ... i am blind right now :-\ |
| 01:08.17 | flaccid | bbl |
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| 01:08.23 | amorel | it is 81F here in California and I am inside hacking debian ;-( |
| 01:08.30 | amorel | or say 22C |
| 01:08.34 | Skeeter- | ex-parrot, i have a Seagate Dockstar with Debian Squeeze installed on it. I would like to use 1 of the USB port of the Dockstar and plug it into my computer so it gets recognize as an USB drive or watever |
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| 01:09.18 | ex-parrot | Skeeter-: that is a really complex thing to do unfortunately. the easiest thing to do is probably to buy one of those "USB network cables" and set up a little LAN between them over the USB |
| 01:09.53 | ex-parrot | this is probably not the best channel to ask in though, Skeeter- :) |
| 01:09.56 | Skeeter- | ex-parrot, that was Plan B |
| 01:10.08 | Skeeter- | uhhh sry XD |
| 01:11.30 | Skeeter- | i still dont think the usb-lan thing will work since the only eternet port i have is already taken |
| 01:11.48 | ex-parrot | Skeeter-: why not? it doesn't require any ethernet ports |
| 01:12.26 | Skeeter- | ex-parrot, if i go from USB to Ethernet, i will need another Eterhnet to USb adapter then.. id ont think im getting ur point |
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| 01:12.45 | ex-parrot | Skeeter-: use a USB to USB network cable like this: http://www.usbgear.com/link/usb_link_cable.html |
| 01:12.54 | assurbanipal | babilen, tnx anyway mate |
| 01:13.12 | ex-parrot | Skeeter-: no guarantees it's supported in Debian, mind you |
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| 01:14.43 | Skeeter- | th |
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| 01:15.54 | Lalaland1125 | Does anyone know where I can find a list of requirements for an application to be allowed into debian repos? |
| 01:16.51 | ex-parrot | Lalaland1125: it's in here somewhere <http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/> |
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| 01:29.16 | the_gnoll | hi all |
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| 01:30.39 | in2tactics | o/ |
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| 01:32.41 | Bop | anyone uses knockd ? |
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| 01:39.34 | keith80403 | Where is the timeline documented that shows how unstable is managed after a release goes into freeze, then release (as Squeeze has done) and soon after the release? |
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| 01:40.11 | bar | If I want to reboot my system and have fsck check my / drive, how do I do that? (I have multiple drives installed) - hmmm |
| 01:41.13 | un214 | boot with init=/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 |
| 01:41.23 | nsadmin | this is not recommended... but you could hit reset |
| 01:41.31 | flock-_ | It's possible to make some kind of script that every X minutes check a dir like /home/user/stuff and if theres a file name something.NAME he .zip it and remove the non zip file? or any method to do it? thank you. |
| 01:41.34 | un214 | issue fsck / |
| 01:41.38 | bar | nsadmin: who's that to? |
| 01:41.47 | un214 | then exec /sbin/init |
| 01:42.02 | nsadmin | reboot cold without proper umount on all fses. |
| 01:42.02 | un214 | oh, and your root password has to be set for this to work |
| 01:42.04 | dvs | flock-_: as i said before, cron |
| 01:42.17 | bar | hm , fsck -y / says io manager magic bad! |
| 01:42.18 | bar | heh |
| 01:42.28 | nsadmin | not recommended, probably beyond last resort. |
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| 01:42.46 | un214 | can't check / while its mounted rw |
| 01:43.08 | doughj3 | http://debian.org/distrib/netinst#smallcd <-- is this the netinstall cd? |
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| 01:43.21 | doughj3 | Are there torrents for netinstall? |
| 01:43.30 | un214 | you following bar? |
| 01:43.49 | bar | un214: yes, that's why I asked on doing it on reboot :) hmm |
| 01:43.56 | bar | didn't think that would wokr |
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| 01:44.44 | un214 | bar: 1. set root password. 2. boot with init=/sbin/getty 57600 tty1 3. log in as root 4. run fsck -f / 5. exec /sbin/init to continue |
| 01:45.21 | Getty | ... |
| 01:45.45 | bar | un214: my keyboard doesn't work during grub for some reason |
| 01:45.48 | bar | any other ideas? |
| 01:45.53 | un214 | lilo |
| 01:46.17 | bar | un214: uh, I have grub... |
| 01:46.33 | un214 | if your keyboard doesn't work using grub you're in serious trouble |
| 01:46.35 | bar | thanks for the help, appreciate this. stupid issues. |
| 01:46.50 | bar | un214: err, I just can't select a kernel to boot... but it usually gets past that. some conflict or something, I think |
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| 01:47.12 | un214 | ok the boot from cd |
| 01:47.15 | bar | I think / is dying |
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| 01:47.30 | bar | un214: hm, thought about that. system didn't detect / last time I tried that |
| 01:47.33 | bar | will try again |
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| 01:47.49 | un214 | you do realize how serious trouble you are in right? |
| 01:47.56 | Terminus | hmmm... no changes between squeeze as it was last thursday and the official release right? aptitude update doesn't show me anything new. |
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| 01:48.28 | bar | un214: yes. I have backups... just don't want to deal with this :) I'll try boot disk again |
| 01:48.28 | Getty | Terminus: probably you would see them if you would have ALL packages installed ;) |
| 01:48.34 | bar | thank |
| 01:48.35 | bar | s |
| 01:48.49 | Terminus | Getty: ah... i just went with the standard and ssh task. =) |
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| 01:49.08 | Terminus | should have said base system. hehe |
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| 01:49.21 | ZitZ | hi, i'm trying to set up samba, i'm using security=share, i've created users and given them password, but it won't let me connect from a remote computer and the logs say that i have the password wrong, but I don't, any idea what's wrong? |
| 01:49.25 | Getty | Terminus: would be a serious bad sign if they do stuff on that part in last minute ;) lol |
| 01:49.42 | un214 | ZitZ: try running smbpasswd |
| 01:50.04 | ZitZ | un214: the password i set for the users are the same as the ones i set with smbpasswd |
| 01:50.05 | un214 | ZitZ: samba password is not unix password |
| 01:50.11 | Terminus | Getty: true. just confirming. i figured that area was pretty stable which is why i just went ahead with an install last week. =) |
| 01:50.13 | un214 | hmmm |
| 01:50.50 | ZitZ | i know, it's weird |
| 01:51.08 | Getty | Terminus: i see the release always not as an important timestamp, you decide yourself when you switch to squeeze dont force yourself to the date, i started switching over my systems to squeeze 1 week ago already |
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| 01:51.56 | Getty | nothing changes on release date, lenny still gets update and squeeze is updated ;) logical ;) hehe |
| 01:53.02 | Terminus | Getty: i just wasn't really tracking it. figured since squeeze is so near, i just decided to use it as a git repo. my box at home is still on lenny, and will remain on that until my gf doesn't have clients who need to access it anymore. =) |
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| 01:53.43 | Getty | Terminus: all my upgrades went without any consequences (as in all services worked 1:1 as before) |
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| 01:56.21 | Terminus | Getty: well, i'm very conservative. lenny still works anyway. i'll do the upgrade when i have a decent maintainance window. |
| 01:56.40 | ZitZ | oh, how can i find out what version of samba i'm running? |
| 01:56.43 | Terminus | well, that's silly. i need a maintainance window for a home server. =)) |
| 01:56.44 | Getty | Terminus: yeah :) i'm also that way normally, i thought i will wait more time |
| 01:57.01 | Getty | Terminus: but then i did the first upgrade and it was the most smooth one ever with debian |
| 01:57.12 | Getty | (probably cause we dont have a huge kernel step for the first time LOL) |
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| 01:58.13 | Terminus | hehe. at one point in my life, a friend and i would clog up the uni lines because we were running sid. |
| 01:58.15 | ZitZ | smbstatus |
| 01:58.44 | Terminus | didn't really understand what sid meant so i had trouble once in a while when packages would break. |
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| 02:09.16 | jhambo | fresh 6.0 install. Trying to use the "windows" key in kde keybindings. It seems to recognize the windows key at "meta" but then my keybinding doesn't work. what do I need to do? |
| 02:10.41 | jhambo | at--> as |
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| 02:14.43 | Cataphract | is there any potential problem in using aptitude for upgrading? |
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| 02:16.38 | aLemmer | Hello, I was in here earlier trying to mount my NTFS drive (gave me an error). Someone told me to apply the partition code "7" to the drive. Now when I boot into Windows the drive is a "raw" drive, with 0b/0b free. |
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| 02:16.46 | aLemmer | How do I undo this? |
| 02:16.56 | aLemmer | Isn't the partition code I want 47? |
| 02:17.01 | Tordek | how can I set apt-listchanges to show me what's changed when I do apt-get upgrade? |
| 02:17.01 | aLemmer | And what's the command? |
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| 02:28.26 | kevin01123 | Does anyone know how to setup Iceweasel to display Unicode characters? |
| 02:28.56 | zibriman007 | hi how can I know if a file belonging to a deb package has been changed or not from the original setting the package was installed ..something similar to rpm -V packagename in RH |
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| 02:32.34 | babilen | Live images in place now |
| 02:33.30 | wash | I've been a debian user for awhile, not even sure if this is possible, but hoping somewhere here can help. In my /etc/apt/sources.list, I have a local mirror as my primary source for sid/experimental... sometimes that mirror will be down or will be missing packages (they have a not-great update system in place). Is it possible to tell aptitude/apt to try another mirror if it can't get a package from my preferred local mirror? |
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| 02:41.14 | Datz | babilen: I think I might still be having problems resolving sites. I'm not sure if it would be related to ipv6 this time or not. |
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| 02:42.09 | zibriman007 | hi this strkes me kind of odd, http://pastebin.com/1kErcZPe apache2 logrotate filee has apache.pid and /var/log/apache and calls apache rc.d scripts...is this correct ? |
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| 02:46.53 | Tordek | how can I set apt-listchanges to show me what's changed when I do apt-get upgrade? |
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| 02:49.37 | ChmEarl | if I install testing, what shows in /etc/debian_version ? |
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| 02:50.10 | ChmEarl | is it sid or testing? |
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| 02:51.56 | Datz | I'm having a problem with wget resolving a live host. |
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| 02:54.13 | babilen | ChmEarl: I would strongly recommend *not* to install/upgrade to testing at this time |
| 02:54.32 | ChmEarl | babilen, ty |
| 02:54.58 | ddWorld | hey guys, can anyone tell me what the second row (directly besides on the right side of the archive's rights) if you type an "ls -la" ? e.j. -rw-r--r-- 1 daniel daniel 2 2011-02-07 01:15 cgiFolder.info <--- in this case the "1" |
| 02:55.03 | nsadmin | if you install testing now, it's likely to break. you plan on doing real work with it? |
| 02:55.07 | babilen | dpkg: squeeze->wheezy |
| 02:55.08 | dpkg | Want to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy? We've only just had a release and users of testing are in for a bumpy ride... if you have to ask how to do this, you shouldn't do it. (in the 12 hours after squeeze released, 2184 packages where changed in wheezy. That's about 14% of the archive changing.) |
| 02:55.15 | babilen | ChmEarl: ^^^^ |
| 02:55.57 | nsadmin | " if you have to ask how to do this, you shouldn't do it." <-- abusive, presumptive, insulting language. |
| 02:56.36 | buntunub | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.03 | buntunub | -u, --show-upgraded |
| 02:57.03 | buntunub | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.03 | buntunub | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.06 | nevyn | whee... yay for the unfreezing and the consequent turmoil in sid and testing. |
| 02:57.10 | Ataxian | lmao |
| 02:58.14 | nsadmin | the truth is: if you have to ask, the person answering is afraid he'd have to expend effort to bring you up to speed. |
| 02:58.49 | nsadmin | and rather than expend effort, he'd rather assume a posture. |
| 02:58.53 | babilen | nsadmin: not really |
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| 02:59.24 | nevyn | nsadmin: moving to testing for the 3-4 weeks following a release is generally a bad idea. |
| 02:59.26 | Datz | babilen: wget isn't resolving any hosts. Do you think that this could be related to the ipv6 issue I was having earlier? |
| 02:59.47 | babilen | Datz: *shrug* ... you might want to ask in #debian about that ;) |
| 03:00.09 | Datz | hah, ok |
| 03:00.10 | nsadmin | Datz: what on your machine is successfully resolving hosts? |
| 03:00.46 | Datz | well, I can ping hosts. and aptitude can get packages |
| 03:00.52 | nsadmin | by name? |
| 03:01.01 | Datz | yes |
| 03:01.38 | nsadmin | ok, when you do the wget, exactly how does it respond? (possibly use a pastebin for the exact text of the response) |
| 03:01.45 | Loafers | hi, i'm trying to get my usb wifi adapter working. wicd for some reason doesn't list wpa networks. i have wpa supplicant installed. i also amended /etc/network/interfaces to contain only the thingy listed in the wiki, added my user to netdev. do i also need to need to define the appropriate stanza for my wireless interface in the interfaces file? i thought wicd did all that for the user. and completely unrelated: i thought ath9k_htc was inclu |
| 03:01.46 | Loafers | ded in the kernel already? |
| 03:02.09 | babilen | nsadmin: Just to explain my "not really" statement. Yes, everything can be learned and therefore taught with enough effort. BUT somebody who does not know how to upgrade from stable to testing is not in the position to tame the shitstorm wheezy is right now. Hell, even one of the release managers said something like "no sane person would use wheezy RIGHT NOW" |
| 03:02.21 | Datz | nsadmin: humm, actually aptitude couldn't resolve ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 03:02.26 | Datz | it was earlier |
| 03:02.45 | Datz | babilen: looks like the problem I was having earlier is back |
| 03:03.08 | nsadmin | babilen: while I still say that's assumptive, I do agree that it would be a challenge for them |
| 03:03.41 | nsadmin | but in addition to being assumptive, the language I cited earlier is also discouraging |
| 03:04.45 | nsadmin | Datz: so, so far, wget and aptitude can't resolve. the conclusion I'm starting to form is nothing can resolve, and you need to find out why |
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| 03:04.54 | babilen | Datz: disable ipv6 or figure out why you are routing over ipv6, (ip route/ /etc/network/interface sysctl values, dig runs, ...) |
| 03:05.06 | babilen | Datz: But I'm not starting to work on that now. |
| 03:05.15 | gary_golden1 | Is there a fast tool to find files which not belongs to a package? |
| 03:05.26 | Datz | babilen: ok, thanks |
| 03:05.36 | gary_golden1 | of course find/dpkg-query would be a solution, but it's slow |
| 03:05.45 | nsadmin | gary_golden1 look at apt-file |
| 03:06.00 | gary_golden1 | nsadmin: thanks, I'll take a look |
| 03:06.24 | nsadmin | gary_golden1: or, http://packages.debian.org |
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| 03:06.45 | nsadmin | gary_golden1: or, http://packages.debian.org |
| 03:07.07 | babilen | nsadmin: It is not particularly polite and is meant for people suffering SNS -- It'll be changed soon but is meant to b discouraging right now. Feel free to make it better. |
| 03:07.18 | gary_golden | nsadmin: how would I use that site? |
| 03:07.48 | babilen | gary_golden: All files that do not belong to a package? |
| 03:07.50 | nsadmin | babilen: admittedly, I bounce around from being more socratic to more just-give-them-the-answer |
| 03:08.07 | nsadmin | and pretty often I'm wrong about which I should do |
| 03:08.15 | gary_golden | babilen: that's it. files created by user, not by a package |
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| 03:08.39 | nsadmin | those would be in /home/user/ |
| 03:08.57 | babilen | gary_golden: hmm, can't name a tool right now. if something pops into my mind i'll let you know |
| 03:09.11 | gary_golden | nsadmin: no. it could be /etc/apt/sources.d/* files for example |
| 03:09.12 | babilen | nsadmin: should be |
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| 03:09.21 | nsadmin | neither can directly find files -not- part of any package, but you can probably script something' |
| 03:09.21 | gary_golden | babilen: ok, great |
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| 03:10.02 | gary_golden | yes, script is for sure. but i was hoping for ready to use program |
| 03:10.44 | nsadmin | like: get a list of all files which would be part of a package, feed thru sort and redirect to a file... then get a list of all files on your system, feed thru sort, save in another file |
| 03:10.48 | nsadmin | then run diff |
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| 03:12.03 | nsadmin | the diff will show you three different lists (in a weird way; you'll see)... |
| 03:12.18 | gary_golden | I'm gonna to implement this idea. I'll post script later |
| 03:12.21 | nsadmin | list of files that come from packages that are not installed on your machine |
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| 03:12.24 | x1250 | is aptitude not recommended for a lenny->squeeze upgrade? |
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| 03:12.29 | avis | did i hear a new debian was released ? |
| 03:12.34 | nsadmin | no |
| 03:12.37 | nsadmin | yes |
| 03:12.38 | nsadmin | maybe |
| 03:12.47 | oneguynick | I upgraded my unstable tonight and now xserver-xorg is broke |
| 03:12.49 | avis | sorry |
| 03:12.50 | avis | thank you |
| 03:12.51 | oneguynick | anyone have the same issue? |
| 03:13.11 | nsadmin | avis squeeze was released as debian 6 |
| 03:13.11 | gary_golden | avis: I'm using it rigth now. It's quite stable |
| 03:13.26 | babilen | gary_golden: one problem is that a lot of packages create symlinks and other files when they are installed ... otherwise something like the complement of "find /" and cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list could be a start (not elegant 3am idea) |
| 03:14.05 | simonrvn | oneguynick: put xserver-xorg on hold, the rest can update |
| 03:14.06 | nsadmin | oneguynick: you can also find people with issues on bugs.debian.org (this is not to say that people are insects) |
| 03:14.40 | oneguynick | simonrvn: just wanted to check to see if I was alone in this. Thanks |
| 03:15.08 | oneguynick | nsadmin: bug will be filled tomorrow AM if the xserver-xorg package holds haven't been fixed |
| 03:15.28 | avis | how many discs might i need to install debian 6 ? if i may ask. i always get confused when it comes to debian. i can also do a single dvd. |
| 03:15.40 | nsadmin | so you've checked to see if bug exists already? |
| 03:15.42 | tonsofpcs | need? 0. |
| 03:15.48 | oneguynick | nsadmin: checking now |
| 03:15.59 | gary_golden | babilen: oh, my. that directory is exactly what I was looking for. without such tools like apt-file. the final solution is one liner like this: |
| 03:16.01 | avis | tonsofpcs, funny nick :) |
| 03:16.32 | avis | i'll try the hard way. i'm used to a one cd or dvd does all. |
| 03:16.38 | avis | going to debian website |
| 03:16.46 | gary_golden | find /etc > /tmp/foobar; cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list | grep /etc | diff /tmp/foobar - |
| 03:17.00 | nsadmin | avis: you could try the squeeze netinstall |
| 03:17.29 | gary_golden | thanks for useful tip babilen |
| 03:17.30 | babilen | gary_golden: well, it is 3am .. there might be better things but its not *that* bad :) |
| 03:17.38 | babilen | gary_golden: no problem, you are welcome |
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| 03:18.07 | avis | nsadmin, my at&t connection is a bit slow. perhaps the single cd will do just fine. the new website looks great, and much less cryptic. |
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| 03:19.01 | NiftyLettuce | any good ruby dev environments? |
| 03:19.05 | NiftyLettuce | aptana radrails? |
| 03:19.09 | simonrvn | avis: 1 |
| 03:19.11 | avis | i'm curious are they former bsd users that would opt to choose the optional bsd kernel ? i suppose that is a bit entirely not linux like ? |
| 03:19.13 | babilen | gary_golden: you'll still have false positives, as there are files that are not listed in *.list but actualyl belong to a package (or under the control of it) -- (c.f. "man ucf") |
| 03:19.27 | simonrvn | NiftyLettuce: komodo, aptana/eclipse |
| 03:19.41 | simonrvn | NiftyLettuce: geany |
| 03:19.51 | NiftyLettuce | simonrvn: gedit? |
| 03:20.02 | simonrvn | has its uses |
| 03:20.07 | babilen | avis: https://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_why |
| 03:20.13 | avis | thank you sir |
| 03:20.16 | NiftyLettuce | anyone here tried gnome3 yet? |
| 03:20.22 | gary_golden | hm. need to scratch that man |
| 03:20.44 | simonrvn | emacs, vim as the standards ;) |
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| 03:21.19 | babilen | simonrvn++ |
| 03:21.45 | simonrvn | there's reasons why those are still around |
| 03:22.09 | avis | wow. i'm aside myself. i just asked a question of curiousity and i see no reason why not to use the bsd based kernel for debian, provided, functionality is still the same ? |
| 03:22.10 | tonsofpcs | avis: if you just use disc 1 (or the live disc or a usb boot) you can do netinstall |
| 03:22.19 | simonrvn | brb, going to my xsession |
| 03:22.29 | babilen | avis: hehe :) |
| 03:22.30 | simonrvn | avis: uh, different userspace |
| 03:22.37 | simonrvn | but yeh, go ahead ;) |
| 03:22.41 | avis | i know nothing about userspace |
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| 03:23.03 | avis | the live disc might not have all i need for a base system ? |
| 03:23.18 | avis | you all are very kind to be helpful to me btw. |
| 03:23.28 | Datz | !ipv6 |
| 03:23.28 | dpkg | Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is the next-generation IP version designed to replace IPv4. Available in Debian since <potato>, full IPv6 support is a release goal for Squeeze. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 http://ipv6.debian.net/ http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ http://www.ipv6.org/ #debian-ipv6 on irc.oftc.net, #ipv6 on irc.freenode.net. To disable IPv6 on your system, ask me about <noipv6>. |
| 03:23.40 | Datz | !noipv6 |
| 03:23.40 | dpkg | To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 03:23.47 | babilen | Datz: /msg dpkg ipv6 :) |
| 03:23.53 | Datz | sorry |
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| 03:24.55 | avis | i'm going for failsafe grabbing the kfreebsd-amd64 dvd |
| 03:24.58 | avis | its time, only time. |
| 03:25.10 | Datz | btw.. Go Packers |
| 03:25.37 | avis | are silly questions tolerated. like can i run miro on debian ? |
| 03:25.49 | ZitZ | answer = yes |
| 03:25.49 | babilen | avis: If you are new to Debian you most likely don't want kfreebsd. /me recommends plain amd64 netinstall or CD1 |
| 03:25.59 | ZitZ | miro will run well on debian |
| 03:26.06 | avis | babilen, it sounds so much more better tho |
| 03:26.14 | avis | babilen, is it functionally any different ? |
| 03:26.24 | avis | thank you ZitZ |
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| 03:26.43 | simonrvn | !bsd |
| 03:26.43 | dpkg | bsd is probably read also <bsd license>, or a brand of free UNIX clones, freebsd for x86 and sparc64, netbsd for damn near every arch, and openbsd for paranoid people, or dying, or <debian bsd>, <kfreebsd> |
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| 03:27.26 | simonrvn | !bsd =~ s/, or dying// |
| 03:27.26 | dpkg | OK, simonrvn |
| 03:27.42 | babilen | avis: It is more or less a technical preview ... but i can't tell you a lot about it as I have neither spoken to people who have used it extensively nor used it myself. You find kfreebsd users in #debian-kbsd on irc.debian.net -- I would still recommend linux amd64 if you are new ... |
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| 03:27.59 | avis | then i'll do that |
| 03:28.29 | babilen | wonders if #d-kbsd will send envois to #d soon :) |
| 03:28.48 | avis | is ia64 a xeon architecture ? |
| 03:29.09 | babilen | !itanium |
| 03:29.09 | dpkg | Intel Itanium Architecture (IA-64) is Intel's *other* 64-bit architecture. Itanium processors are primarily found in HP-UX systems and are supported by Debian's <ia64> port. It is not the same as the amd64/x86-64 chips used in PCs, ask me about <amd64>. |
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| 03:29.34 | babilen | avis: not xeon -- xeon == amd64 |
| 03:29.59 | avis | got it thank you |
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| 03:30.13 | babilen | !tell avis -about why amd64 |
| 03:30.19 | paq7512 | i am moving from ubuntu gonna try debian is there a guide what software to use, like nvidia install, non free, stuff like this? |
| 03:31.27 | avis | i may need propietary drivers for my radeon 5670 hoping its at least 2d functional after fresh install |
| 03:31.33 | babilen | paq7512: Can't you install a base system, come back and we work on it? |
| 03:31.44 | avis | paq7512, i've installed debian before and there are ways to install the propietary nvidia driver |
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| 03:32.25 | simonrvn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 03:32.25 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia m-a> or <nvidia dkms> might work; see <nvidia lenny> for oldstable procedures. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 03:32.46 | avis | i suppose i should nuke all the crumbs in my /home directory before going through with the actual installation. make sure i get the full squeeze of that which it is. |
| 03:33.04 | babilen | !nvidia dkms |
| 03:33.04 | dpkg | [nvidia dkms] For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. See also <nvidia>. |
| 03:33.08 | simonrvn | exsqueeze me? |
| 03:33.10 | babilen | good stuff ^^ |
| 03:33.11 | paq7512 | did you all move to 6.0 or have 5.8? |
| 03:33.38 | babilen | paq7512: 6.0.0 should be used for new installs |
| 03:33.51 | simonrvn | 5.0.8 you mean? |
| 03:33.59 | simonrvn | yes, use 6 |
| 03:34.05 | paq7512 | ok, yes simonrvn :) |
| 03:34.06 | avis | !radeon |
| 03:34.07 | dpkg | [radeon] A brand of graphic processing units by ATI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Squeeze users: ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. See also <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. |
| 03:34.14 | JasonWoof | new website looks nice. There's kerning issues with "the universal operating system" in the banner on the home page |
| 03:34.39 | paq7512 | why advantages am i missing using debian the father instead of ubuntu the son? |
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| 03:34.42 | zinx | JasonWoof: going to guess it's patent free or something |
| 03:34.44 | babilen | JasonWoof: minor bug against www.debian.org |
| 03:34.55 | avis | !tell avis - radeon firmware |
| 03:35.16 | avis | !tell avis - fglrx |
| 03:35.22 | babilen | avis: /msg dpkg WHATEVER -- /msg dpkg radeon firmware |
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| 03:35.29 | avis | got it thank you |
| 03:35.35 | babilen | np |
| 03:35.46 | babilen | paq7512: Are you unsure what you should download? |
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| 03:36.28 | babilen | I would like to point out that there are: |
| 03:36.32 | paq7512 | i just don't know if i know enough to install debian, i moved to ubuntu a month ago, but know debian is older, i just am unsure of myself |
| 03:36.32 | babilen | !firmware images |
| 03:36.33 | dpkg | Unofficial daily built <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing the testing release are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/6.0.0/ . See also <install testing>. |
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| 03:36.47 | texta | Heya. |
| 03:37.49 | mosno | can squeeze do virtio devices, ie. when running as a kvm guest? |
| 03:39.04 | paq7512 | can i pm someone veteran and ask some questions? |
| 03:39.13 | babilen | paq7512: I would just try it. You can always come back here and ask questions and there is excellent documentation. |
| 03:39.23 | babilen | paq7512: just ask in here |
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| 03:40.14 | paq7512 | what software sources do you need to install proprietary packages? just the non-free? what sources are recommended for most desktop software? |
| 03:40.33 | dvs | !non-free |
| 03:40.33 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>, or are encumbered by patents or other legal issues. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 03:40.52 | babilen | paq7512: What exactly do you need? |
| 03:40.57 | dvs | !non-free sources |
| 03:40.58 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 03:41.03 | dvs | sorry |
| 03:41.23 | Ataxian | anyone else have issues with PHP5 on the newest version? |
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| 03:41.48 | babilen | Ataxian: I don't use PHP5, so no. Do you? |
| 03:41.52 | Ataxian | i did the sources update and the box locked =P although could have been its a crap box =) |
| 03:41.59 | babilen | err, s/PHP5/PHP |
| 03:42.12 | texta | Does anyone reckon they can help me fix my modem woes? :{ |
| 03:42.20 | Ataxian | babilen: I was trying to, fresh install of debian on dell precision 340, p4 2.2ghz |
| 03:42.21 | paq7512 | flash, nvidiadrivers, k9copy, gns3 |
| 03:42.22 | ajone | Hi, I just installed debian 6.0 on my macbook using netinst version. The problem is that it doesn't have wired or wireless working at all. |
| 03:43.18 | gary_golden | I just found out that dpkg uses i386 architecture, while actual is amd64. How can I safely reinstall all packages to be 64bit? |
| 03:43.28 | babilen | paq7512: flash is no problem (enable non-free+aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree) as are nvidia drivers (/msg dpkg nvidia dkms) -- no idea what k9copy and gns3 is though |
| 03:43.34 | texta | I'm trying to get at the very least wvdial to work, and I have both a serial port and a modem. Here are some outputs yo. http://pastie.org/private/2cedkopxmqmj4vefluota |
| 03:43.47 | babilen | gary_golden: what? |
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| 03:44.23 | belak | Are there CDs for right now? |
| 03:44.30 | belak | Sorry |
| 03:44.32 | belak | For testing |
| 03:44.55 | gary_golden | babilen: when I was installing debian using debootstrap I specified i386 arch for dpkg. But really I have amd64. I require dpkg update all packages to those 64bit versions |
| 03:45.16 | paq7512 | is there a 32/64 v6 netinstaller torrent? |
| 03:45.16 | babilen | belak: Do not install wheezy right now ... and no, we've just released there are no wheezy install images. Install squeeze and be happy. |
| 03:45.41 | belak | So, just update to wheezy when it's a little more stable? |
| 03:45.43 | Datz | Hi, my squeeze install is having a problem with resolving host names. I've added "ipv6.disable=1" to /etc/default/grub and restarted, but it has not helped. both aptitude, and wget cannot reslove host names. but I can ping sites like google.com successfully |
| 03:45.46 | babilen | paq7512: I think so ... give me a second |
| 03:45.51 | RichiH | is stable/will testing be able to install to btfs? |
| 03:46.12 | babilen | belak: exactly -- it is a shitstorm right now (~15% of the packages changed *today*) |
| 03:46.28 | gary_golden | Datz: check your /etc/resolv.conf at first |
| 03:46.31 | belak | babilen: fun stuff. thanks. |
| 03:46.39 | Datz | gary_golden: thanks. will do |
| 03:46.39 | paq7512 | babilen: thanks |
| 03:46.53 | RichiH | s/shitstorm/blessing of new stuff in unstable/ :) |
| 03:47.06 | babilen | RichiH: btrfs is absolutely not recommended as filesystem for everyday use (it has for example no fsck tool to repair broken filesystems) |
| 03:47.18 | dvs | paq7512: www.debian.org, top right corner (not a torrent though) |
| 03:47.33 | Datz | gary_golden: I'm not sure how that file should be set up. Are there documents? |
| 03:47.35 | paq7512 | dvs: i saw i will suck it up |
| 03:47.50 | babilen | paq7512: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/multi-arch/bt-cd/ |
| 03:47.51 | RichiH | babilen: i know. but i keep backups and i am willing to risk it :) |
| 03:48.00 | gary_golden | Datz: it's easy. like |
| 03:48.00 | gary_golden | nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 03:48.00 | avis | does debian squeeze gnome look any different than fedora gnome ? |
| 03:48.06 | Datz | gary_golden: http://pastebin.com/zNQ3nGS6 |
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| 03:48.13 | stew | paq7512: go to cdimage.debian.org, click on bittorrent and look for multiarch |
| 03:48.15 | babilen | RichiH: No AFAIK |
| 03:48.32 | avis | the only way i could locate a amd64 live dvd image was to not use a torrent, but plain old http is good enough for me. |
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| 03:48.42 | RichiH | pity |
| 03:48.43 | paq7512 | thanks all, thanks babilen |
| 03:48.54 | gary_golden | Datz: check that you can reach dns server there: nc 192.168.2.1 53 -u |
| 03:49.04 | gary_golden | Datz: have to run, sorry |
| 03:49.19 | Datz | k, thnaks |
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| 03:49.45 | babilen | Datz: you executed "update-grub" afterwards? |
| 03:49.45 | paq7512 | ubuntu has ubuntu-restricted-extras, is there someone like that in 6, i want to learn how to install this in the masses |
| 03:49.49 | JasonWoof | babilen: done, thanks. (Re: kerning -> minor bug against www.debian.org) |
| 03:50.10 | babilen | paq7512: What is ubuntu-restricted-extras? |
| 03:50.11 | stew | avis: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/ |
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| 03:50.22 | Datz | babilen: nope. whoops |
| 03:50.22 | stew | paq7512: what is "ubuntu-restricted-extras" ? |
| 03:50.29 | babilen | JasonWoof: Thank you :) |
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| 03:50.47 | paq7512 | stew: it is like someone that install codecs, and such all in one simple command |
| 03:50.49 | Datz | babilen: humm /etc/default/grub: 10: ipv6.disable=1: not found |
| 03:51.04 | babilen | Datz: Show me that file please |
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| 03:51.33 | stew | paq7512: then no |
| 03:51.42 | Datz | babilen: http://pastebin.com/vc8XkM7n |
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| 03:52.27 | stew | paq7512: which codecs are you after? |
| 03:52.41 | paq7512 | is rute still a book to read first for noobs, or another? or just debians site? |
| 03:52.52 | paq7512 | movies, xvid so on |
| 03:53.08 | babilen | Datz: http://pastebin.com/B194bgKs try this ;) |
| 03:53.19 | hyde | how to show all history command using history command? it only shows 500 by default .. |
| 03:53.26 | babilen | paq7512: I would start with the Debian reference |
| 03:54.11 | babilen | !tell paq7512 -about fundamentals |
| 03:54.14 | Datz | babilen: thanks. trying |
| 03:54.14 | babilen | err |
| 03:54.22 | stew | i'm not sure if there is a free implementation of xvid or not |
| 03:54.23 | babilen | !tell paq7512 -about grounding |
| 03:55.01 | paq7512 | can i print that reference into pdf? I have a kindle and read a lot on it |
| 03:55.08 | stew | but if its coming from a "restricted extras" package in ubuntu, i'd guess not |
| 03:55.14 | avis | rute is very old. i looked at it not too long ago, and it visually appeared outdated, at least, in the manner in which it came. if its up to date with current information, i've no clue. |
| 03:55.36 | paq7512 | avis: isn't linux-linux? |
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| 03:55.50 | ajone | Any idea on why my ethernet isn't working after instalation of debian 6.0? I've installed on a macbook4,1 |
| 03:55.54 | paq7512 | why does debian 6 not have the latest stable version of gnome? |
| 03:56.17 | stew | paq7512: debian 6 was frozen in august. when was the latest stable version of gnome released? |
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| 03:56.42 | paq7512 | o |
| 03:56.49 | paq7512 | what does the mean exactly? |
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| 03:57.13 | stew | in august, we started only allowing bugfixes, no new versions for the sake of having new versions |
| 03:57.36 | babilen | paq7512: Just pick dpkg's brain. But I would still recommend the Debian reference ... |
| 03:57.38 | paq7512 | okay stable not cutting edge that is what i need |
| 03:57.41 | Datz | babilen: thanks. Grub updated successfully, However, then problem still remains |
| 03:58.37 | babilen | Datz: what is the output of sysctl net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 ? |
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| 03:59.17 | Datz | error: "net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6" is an unknown key |
| 03:59.39 | babilen | Datz: Ah, but stop. Show me "ifconfig -a" "ip route" /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf please |
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| 03:59.56 | babilen | Datz: And te actual error you get |
| 03:59.59 | Datz | ok |
| 04:00.04 | babilen | Datz: no ipv6 for you then ... |
| 04:00.05 | Diytto | Hey |
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| 04:00.29 | Diytto | Does anyone have a tutorial handy on how to make a bootable usb drive |
| 04:00.33 | Diytto | For a beginner |
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| 04:00.39 | Diytto | Ive never done one :p |
| 04:00.42 | stew | Diytto: what are you intending to boot from it? |
| 04:00.48 | paq7512 | diytto: unetbootin |
| 04:00.55 | Diytto | Either debian or ubuntu |
| 04:01.10 | stew | Diytto: you can just copy debian to the drive and boot it |
| 04:01.15 | Diytto | Probably the newest debian since its pretty nice |
| 04:01.21 | Diytto | Really |
| 04:01.22 | babilen | paq7512: unetbootin does not work (people had problems with it) |
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| 04:01.36 | Diytto | Well i have an iso |
| 04:01.48 | babilen | !usb install |
| 04:01.48 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 04:01.52 | Diytto | Which would be more compatible with a usb |
| 04:01.57 | stew | Diytto: yes. if you have a debian installer iso, and you know for instance that your usb drive is /dev/foo "cp /path/to/iso /dev/foo" would create a bootable usb installer |
| 04:01.58 | Diytto | Ubuntu or debian |
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| 04:02.18 | babilen | Diytto: This is #debian ;) |
| 04:02.21 | Diytto | Well i dont exactly want an installer |
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| 04:02.26 | Diytto | I know |
| 04:02.34 | Diytto | I want to try debian first |
| 04:02.35 | Diytto | :p |
| 04:02.35 | ZitZ | dd -if=/path/to/iso.iso of=/dev/sd* |
| 04:02.40 | babilen | paq7512: Debian Squeeze has a mixture of 2.30 and 2.32 |
| 04:02.51 | stew | ZitZ: no |
| 04:02.55 | babilen | ZitZ: no |
| 04:02.59 | Datz | babilen: http://pastebin.com/WiZyY5J6 |
| 04:03.06 | stew | and why use dd instead of cp anyway? |
| 04:03.12 | babilen | or cat? |
| 04:03.15 | babilen | *purr* |
| 04:03.23 | stew | cp is easier to remember and saves you from misremembering the paramaters as you just did |
| 04:03.29 | paq7512 | from the net install is there a way to install software you want like xchat right away? |
| 04:03.42 | stew | paq7512: "aptitude install xchat" |
| 04:04.06 | Diytto | Gtg |
| 04:04.07 | Diytto | :/ |
| 04:04.12 | stew | if you mean before you boot into the actually installed system, not easily, it would be manual |
| 04:04.46 | babilen | paq7512: You can select certain "tasks" or install a minimal system and add to it. The tasks are quite large, so if you select "Desktop" you'll get openoffice and such things ... I don't like this, your taste might differ. |
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| 04:04.57 | babilen | Datz: That looks good. What is the problem? |
| 04:05.36 | nevyn | stew: dd works on things that contain eof markers. and is more explicit. |
| 04:05.41 | paq7512 | cool |
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| 04:05.58 | stew | nevyn: in what way is it more explicit? |
| 04:05.58 | babilen | !tell paq7512 -about ig |
| 04:06.29 | nevyn | stew: there's no obvious cp equivilent to dd if=/dev/bootsector of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 |
| 04:06.31 | stew | "cp source target" is pretty clear and easy to understand, and does the same thing "open both files, write until you run out of room or hit an eof" |
| 04:06.50 | nevyn | stew: sometimes you don't want to write until you hit an eof. |
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| 04:07.12 | stew | nevyn: when would you want to write only part of an installer iso? |
| 04:07.16 | nevyn | stew: like copying th boot block from disk A to disk B to handle certain disk failure modes. |
| 04:07.43 | babilen | paq7512: The easiest way is probably to install the desktop task though ... you'll download a bunch of unnecessary stuff, but you'll have everyhting you need. And things can be removed later on if you have the feeling that the installation is too bloated. |
| 04:07.47 | stew | nevyn: i understand what both tools do, in this case, dd is not a superior tool |
| 04:08.03 | paq7512 | cool |
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| 04:08.40 | stew | nevyn: for someone new to all this and asking how to make a bootable usb key, cp is easier to remember, easier to understand, and probably faster |
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| 04:09.27 | nevyn | stew: historically cp has had issues with things that contain eof markers. (like whole filesystems.) |
| 04:09.30 | debclair | greetings. I just installed squeeze and i only get one item in the Administration Item. Is that normal? I installed using the CD 1 |
| 04:09.30 | babilen | isn't cp or cat using a better bs as well and therefore faster? i have the feeling i heard something like that ... |
| 04:09.40 | stew | nevyn: is there a bug filed about this? |
| 04:09.53 | nevyn | historically.. ie not now. but in the past. |
| 04:10.10 | stew | why do we care about bugs that no longer exist? |
| 04:10.18 | nevyn | babilen: they don't use blocksize optimising blocksize is no longer a good idea. |
| 04:10.25 | babilen | debclair: Please elaborate on "one item in the administration iten" |
| 04:10.39 | stew | babilen: probably not cat, since it doesn't know what it is writing to, but if you look at copy.c in coreutils you'll see that it is trying to be smart about the blocksize |
| 04:11.05 | nevyn | babilen: all modern storage subsystems do so much block aggregation and junk that trying to workout the right thing is nigh on impossible |
| 04:11.06 | debclair | babilen, my bad. I meant, one item in the Administration Menu. I only get the "Login Window" item. Not Network nor anything else. |
| 04:11.29 | stew | however, cp still goes faster than dd without a bs argument |
| 04:11.52 | babilen | nevyn, stew: the gist was more or less: don't try to find a good bs for dd and just use cat as it is faster .... |
| 04:12.00 | nevyn | and even worse many modern disks are natively 4k clusters and present a bogus 512byte cluster shim on top and do the translation in firmware |
| 04:12.02 | Datz | babilen: I guess the problem now is wget isn |
| 04:12.12 | babilen | Datz: Show me ... |
| 04:12.14 | Datz | isn't resolving sites |
| 04:12.18 | Datz | ok |
| 04:12.21 | stew | nevyn: so why NOT use cp? |
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| 04:13.07 | Datz | babilen: http://pastebin.com/vBThZrf1 |
| 04:14.36 | babilen | Datz: That is a different issue .... |
| 04:15.20 | Datz | babilen: i see |
| 04:15.20 | babilen | Datz: Edit your /etc/resolv.conf to just contain "nameserver 8.8.8.8" and try again |
| 04:15.27 | Datz | ok |
| 04:16.58 | nevyn | stew: it's less reliable in particuar it may omit final blocks of an image if the size isn't what it expects. |
| 04:17.19 | Datz | babilen: working this time. thanks :) |
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| 04:17.33 | Datz | wonder what the address 8.8.8.8 is for.. |
| 04:17.36 | stew | nevyn: is there a bug filed about this? |
| 04:17.52 | stew | nevyn: i'd be amazed to find out that cp actually fails to copy files sometimes |
| 04:18.35 | stew | nevyn: how does it occur that the size of a file isn't 'what it expects'? |
| 04:18.54 | babilen | Datz: Obviously the namesever from your ISP is not working. 8.8.8.8 is an open DNS server from google. This might explain the ipv6 oddities earlier as well. |
| 04:18.54 | stew | Datz: its google's public nameserver |
| 04:19.20 | stew | http://code.google.com/speed/public-dns/ |
| 04:19.22 | Datz | ah. thanks |
| 04:19.37 | paq7512 | do you all use debian-multimedia? |
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| 04:20.01 | babilen | Datz: Or your router's ... Be that as it may. How do you configure your network right now? /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 04:20.29 | babilen | paq7512: some do, yes |
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| 04:20.40 | Datz | babilen: yes, I believe |
| 04:20.50 | babilen | paq7512: but far from all ... |
| 04:20.50 | Bushmills | "all" as in "no exception"? |
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| 04:23.25 | nevyn | stew: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dd_%28Unix%29 see the line cp may fail to write a final block if it's an unexpected size |
| 04:24.04 | babilen | Datz: You could install "resolvconf" and add "dns-nameservers 8.8.8.8 4.2.2.4" to your interface in /etc/network/interfaces OR issue: echo "supersede domain-name-servers 8.8.8.8, 4.2.2.4;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf |
| 04:24.30 | stew | nevyn: all my questions still stand |
| 04:24.57 | nevyn | stew: the unix model of everything's a file isn't quite true. |
| 04:24.59 | babilen | Datz: 4.2.2.4 is another free DNS server operated by hurricane electric. google's is probably one of the fastest servers you could use. |
| 04:25.08 | stew | nevyn: how is an iso not a file? |
| 04:25.14 | nevyn | in particular. things that pretend to be files may not have EOF markers. |
| 04:25.31 | KipMacy | ive found google (8.8.8.8) to be a lot slower than 4.2.2.2 |
| 04:25.39 | nevyn | like filesystem images and disks and terminals and all sorts of things. |
| 04:25.42 | babilen | KipMacy: hence my comment |
| 04:25.44 | stew | nevyn: what is an example of something that doens't have an eof marker? |
| 04:25.53 | nevyn | stew: a terminal. |
| 04:25.56 | nevyn | stew: a disk. |
| 04:26.05 | babilen | KipMacy: oh, you mean the other way round? |
| 04:26.08 | stew | nevyn: so i shouldn't copy my terminal to my usb drive? |
| 04:26.23 | stew | nevyn: i copy disks all the time using cp |
| 04:26.27 | KipMacy | babilen: nope! |
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| 04:26.59 | babilen | KipMacy: yes, i understand. you mean what you said :) |
| 04:27.21 | babilen | Datz: everyhting OK now? |
| 04:27.29 | nevyn | stew: good for you. |
| 04:27.36 | nevyn | stew: doesn't actually make it reliable |
| 04:27.42 | stew | nevyn: how do I reproduce this bug? |
| 04:27.43 | nevyn | or a good idea. |
| 04:27.58 | nevyn | it's not a bug. |
| 04:28.02 | stew | nevyn: or is there a bug already filed that you can point me at? |
| 04:28.04 | stew | nevyn: it sure is! |
| 04:28.11 | nevyn | nope. |
| 04:28.14 | Datz | babilen: yep, thanks a bunch dude :P |
| 04:28.15 | nevyn | cp copies files. |
| 04:28.28 | babilen | well, i'm tired. ttfn and until the morrow -- /me tips hat |
| 04:28.29 | stew | nevyn: ok, and an ISO isn't a file? |
| 04:28.32 | nevyn | from filesystem to filesystem. |
| 04:28.59 | stew | this is the classic "I don't know why, but i think you have to use dd when it is filesystem image" |
| 04:29.04 | nevyn | stew: nope. it's a filesystem. |
| 04:29.13 | nevyn | stew: I do know why. |
| 04:29.24 | babilen | Datz: You might want to note KipMacy comment on 4.2.2.2 (and 4.2.2.4) good night |
| 04:29.39 | nevyn | because cp makes assumptions about lenght of blocks in the source and destination which don't always hold true for filesystems. |
| 04:29.47 | nevyn | even if they do for iso files usually. |
| 04:29.56 | nevyn | or for arbitary partitions usually |
| 04:29.58 | KipMacy | you'd have to be seriously nerdy though to really care if 8.8.8.8 is slower than 4.2.2.2 . |
| 04:30.05 | nevyn | because usually isn't always. |
| 04:30.28 | stew | nevyn: so if i have a file named /home/stew/foo.iso and I want to cp it to /tmp/foo.iso i have to use dd? "cp /home/stew/foo.iso /tmp/foo.iso" will maybe fail? |
| 04:31.00 | babilen | KipMacy: Isn't that a good thing? |
| 04:31.36 | stew | nevyn: so it seems like you are saying there are bugs in the filesystem |
| 04:31.44 | maxxe | wrote a simple program to reconfigure all packages since dpkg-reconfigure -a will fail now: http://paste.debian.net/106741/ .. :) |
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| 04:31.49 | stew | if the filesystem containing the file is misreporting the size of a file |
| 04:32.03 | nevyn | stew: using cp on files is fine. |
| 04:32.06 | KipMacy | i dont think it matters. you could dnsmasq and cache your requests if the speed bugs you |
| 04:32.27 | nevyn | stew: using cp on thigns that look like files but arn't may have undesirable side effects. |
| 04:32.28 | stew | nevyn: but coping an iso to a usb drive isn't? |
| 04:33.08 | nevyn | stew: the aim of cp is to be fast in the general case. dealing with devices is not the general case. |
| 04:33.25 | stew | nevyn: so coping an iso to a usb drive might not work? |
| 04:34.23 | nevyn | depends if you're copying the iso to a usb drive filesystem then that's fine. |
| 04:34.35 | stew | what? |
| 04:35.04 | nevyn | stew: if you're copying from ~stew/foo.iso to /media/disk/foo.iso |
| 04:35.22 | nevyn | that's just dandy. |
| 04:35.37 | nevyn | if you're copying to /dev/sdb1 then I'd rather use dd. |
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| 04:36.19 | stew | who cares what you'd rather use |
| 04:36.31 | tables | what package do i install to get flash? |
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| 04:38.28 | nevyn | stew: well I do ;) |
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| 04:40.17 | uzy | msg dpkg new website |
| 04:40.21 | uzy | sorry |
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| 04:42.22 | stew | and lots of comments on the wikipedia article also claim the article is full of shit when saying that cp and dd don't do the same thing anyway |
| 04:43.10 | stew | really, if cp were failing to copy an entire file, it would have been fixed long ago |
| 04:43.26 | dondelelcaro | stew: well, they don't really do the same thing, but they do have the same effect |
| 04:43.56 | cptkrf | Anybody besides me think that the default Squeeze/KDE desktop colors and background look like a 12 year old girl's home page? |
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| 04:45.19 | djveer | hey guys, is the 'dd' utility the best way to create an image file of a windows NTFS partition contents? I was hoping to make an ISO or TAR.GZ possibly |
| 04:45.26 | djveer | before I install Deb to it |
| 04:46.13 | dondelelcaro | djveer: dd is one way, but it will just make an exact image. |
| 04:47.06 | stew | you can use cp instead of dd! :)... |
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| 04:47.19 | djveer | dondelelcaro, perhaps maybe I should just tar or 7zip to extract all the contents? |
| 04:47.27 | djveer | windows wouldn't be runnning so I can copy everything |
| 04:47.42 | jimmybgood | djveer: partimage will make an image with only the blocks actually used and optionally compress it |
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| 04:48.01 | nevyn | partimage is a good option. |
| 04:48.02 | djveer | and I can open that image and browse the content? |
| 04:48.14 | djveer | what format image does it create? |
| 04:48.21 | nevyn | djveer: a ntfs filesystem image |
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| 04:48.24 | djveer | oh sweet, Squeeze was released |
| 04:48.53 | jimmybgood | djveer: you would probably have too mount it loopback to read it |
| 04:48.59 | jhambo_ | hi folks, fresh squeeze install with kde. None of the kde menu shortcuts that I make work. Any suggestions how to fix? |
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| 04:49.52 | djveer | jimmybgood, okay and failing partimage ... what's the next best option? |
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| 04:50.56 | jimmybgood | djveer: just copy it all to another device? |
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| 04:51.57 | jo_kep | anyone hear anything about windows 7 starter causing problems for gparted ? |
| 04:52.07 | djveer | jimmybgood: okay hehe sounds good thanks for your help |
| 04:52.10 | djveer | thanks all |
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| 04:53.34 | jhambo_ | ha, solved it. Have to go to input actions and enable kmenuedit. Confusing that one would have to do that... |
| 04:53.43 | alkisg | Where can I see what squeeze dvd 1 contains? I'm interested in lxde + greek, no net connection where I'll be using it |
| 04:54.38 | tharkun | Gentlemen ,hmm Nice revamping of debian site. Can someon instruct me how to find the rc chart bugs for testing now? |
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| 04:58.45 | paq7512 | i want to switch to debian at work what i need to accomplish this: a parition imager/clone, data recover software, and window virus scanner; any suggestions about making this possible? |
| 04:59.42 | tharkun | what is a parition? |
| 04:59.50 | jo_kep | paq7512, why do you need a windows virus scanner? |
| 05:00.03 | nsadmin | he means an aparition |
| 05:00.28 | paq7512 | i work on pcs |
| 05:00.50 | paq7512 | i currenlty use acronis, getdataback, and eset |
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| 05:01.23 | nsadmin | paq7512, out of curiousity, what has you interested in debian? |
| 05:01.58 | paq7512 | Debian's reputation |
| 05:02.22 | nevyn | paq7512: windows virus scanner? |
| 05:02.48 | paq7512 | yes, i think i can get away with avast |
| 05:03.10 | alkisg | data recovery on windows file systems? |
| 05:03.16 | tharkun | paq7512: What do you want to acomplish whith this machine? |
| 05:03.20 | nsadmin | if you want to try it, build a pc with a cdrom writer, write a netinst cd, use it to install, see what you think |
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| 05:04.05 | paq7512 | i want to run linux at work |
| 05:04.15 | paq7512 | while i work on mainly pcs |
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| 05:04.24 | nsadmin | then: build a machine and install debian on it |
| 05:04.32 | Terminus | you could just use a VM. i did a netinstall with squeeze on vmware last week. |
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| 05:04.58 | paq7512 | my question was about software choices :/ |
| 05:04.59 | nsadmin | that's a good suggestion too |
| 05:05.22 | nsadmin | I won't personally answer any choice question. |
| 05:05.30 | nsadmin | you make your choice, period. |
| 05:05.52 | paq7512 | i need suggestions |
| 05:05.52 | nsadmin | I'm not involved in your choice in any way, shape or form. |
| 05:05.54 | Terminus | in any case, i'd install on a USB stick instead if it was for recovery purposes. |
| 05:06.24 | tharkun | paq7512: Strange question it is when you cant mention the purpose of the machine. It is indeed ok to do it nontheless strange |
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| 05:07.41 | paq7512 | lol okay, i will post on the forums |
| 05:07.42 | nsadmin | is the distribution-howto uptodate? |
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| 05:08.34 | teabaghackery | How doe one migrate from grub to lilo? |
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| 05:08.48 | nibalizer | RELEASE PARTY WOOOOOO |
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| 05:08.57 | nsadmin | I will suggest one thing... if you do decide to run linux or any unix-alike (which macos x is also), learn your shell and basic commands. |
| 05:09.28 | nsadmin | scrolls the screen one line for nibalizer |
| 05:09.43 | nevyn | paq7512: the short version is while it's doable it's not going to be convienient initially linux works differently from how you think about computers almost certainly if you're a moderately advanced windows user. |
| 05:09.51 | bonjoyee | after adding debian-multimedia.org and updating, my vlc screen capture is just green screen, anyone experienced the same? |
| 05:09.58 | other_donkey | wait, did someone just tell osx users to learn shell commands? |
| 05:10.02 | blkperl | nibalizer: WOOT |
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| 05:10.34 | nibalizer | ubiquill: we doing a PDX debian release party ya? tonight? when? |
| 05:11.07 | bonjoyee | <<using debian squeeze 64bit |
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| 05:12.05 | nibalizer | blkperl: do we have out-of-band communication with ubiquill? |
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| 05:12.22 | Terminus | other_donkey: heh, i have a mac and the first thing i open is terminal everytime i login. |
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| 05:12.56 | nibalizer | Terminus: but then you have to bow to macports right? |
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| 05:13.31 | other_donkey | Terminus: that's usually what happens when I get on my wife's mac, when I'm not ssh-ing in from my computer, unmuting her sound and making it say things |
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| 05:14.08 | Raptors | Hey guys, I'm trying ot get my PS3 headset to work with debian |
| 05:14.22 | nsadmin | paq7512 so I'm not trying to be hostile... but I don't want to suggest something only to have you try it, not like it or not understand it and then blame debian or blame me for a supposedly bad choice you wouldn't have thought you made |
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| 05:14.39 | Raptors | I have it connected via bluetooth but I can't get it to record anything or get any sound |
| 05:15.03 | nsadmin | paq7512 so my thing is try it, you might like it. |
| 05:15.17 | Terminus | nibalizer: yes. all hail macports! \o/ |
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| 05:15.29 | paq7512 | i am running ubuntu now, i just need software suggestions, no worries, i will google around |
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| 05:15.47 | teabaghackery | How doe one migrate from grub to lilo? |
| 05:15.59 | coolmadmax | wow squeeze is beatiful -- just installed -- yes |
| 05:16.07 | un214 | apt-get install lilo |
| 05:16.12 | un214 | set up /etc/lilo.conf |
| 05:16.18 | un214 | lilo -t && lilo |
| 05:16.23 | un214 | apt-get remove grub |
| 05:16.49 | nsadmin | can I use grub0.9x on squeeze? |
| 05:17.08 | un214 | not recommended unless you are more familiar with lilo or grub is acting up |
| 05:17.13 | teabaghackery | I have to hand rollmyown liloconfigor just convert to a distribution like slackware that uses il from point one |
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| 05:17.53 | nsadmin | well lilo has been around pretty much since the beginning |
| 05:18.20 | debclair | coolmadmax, how many items do you have in your Administration menu? |
| 05:18.28 | teabaghackery | Is it bpossibleto boot Squeeze and windows 7 useing long horn loader? |
| 05:18.38 | freakabcd | hi all |
| 05:18.40 | un214 | before then we dd'd vmlinuz onto a floppy |
| 05:18.59 | nsadmin | which I used for like 2 years |
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| 05:19.01 | freakabcd | is there a live/install dvd image of debian which is 4.0GB or similar in size? |
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| 05:19.06 | coolmadmax | debclair, 10 |
| 05:19.26 | debclair | coolmadmax, what installation media did you use? |
| 05:19.39 | coolmadmax | debclair, dvd1 |
| 05:19.40 | Terminus | it's been around 10 years since i last used lilo. that was also around the last time i compiled a kernel. |
| 05:19.52 | freakabcd | i'd like to have live/install dvd similar to the ubuntu live/install image |
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| 05:20.12 | debclair | coolmadmax, thanks a lot for your info. I used the cd1 and only got one. This clears it for me. I'm downloading dvd1 now. |
| 05:20.39 | coolmadmax | debclair, no problems |
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| 05:20.57 | freakabcd | the reason i ask is because i see debian live/install dvd image is only about 1.0GB in size |
| 05:20.57 | bonjoyee | after adding debian-multimedia.org and updating, my vlc screen capture is just green screen, anyone experienced the same? |
| 05:21.22 | paq7512 | by default what filesystem does debian 6 use? |
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| 05:21.47 | NuxRo | Hi, guys what init system is Squeeze using? |
| 05:21.59 | un214 | ext3 |
| 05:22.00 | babilen | bonjoyee: I am not sure if marillat has dmm in shape for the release. stick with squeeze for now |
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| 05:22.10 | coolmadmax | paq7512:ex3 |
| 05:22.24 | stew | NuxRo: sysv + insserv |
| 05:22.45 | NuxRo | stew: cheers for that (so the switch to upstart did not happen..) |
| 05:22.51 | bonjoyee | babilen: i am on squeeze..you mean not adding dmm for now? |
| 05:23.03 | Raptors | I have it connected via bluetooth but I can't get it to record anything or get any sound |
| 05:23.06 | Raptors | Anyone? |
| 05:23.08 | stew | NuxRo: i've never heard of debian planning on switching to upstart |
| 05:23.08 | Raptors | I |
| 05:23.13 | Terminus | is there anything like chkconfig --list on squeeze? i don't see anything like it in the update-rc.d manpage. |
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| 05:23.19 | Raptors | I've been trying to get this working for ages :( |
| 05:23.28 | stew | NuxRo: we switched to adding insserv, which is a dependency based boot system on top of sysv however |
| 05:23.55 | paq7512 | will it read my ext4 secondary drive or do i have to install some sort of software? |
| 05:23.56 | stew | Terminus: what does "chkconfig --list" do ? |
| 05:24.09 | hiexpo | ? hello all downloaded http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0-live/i386/usb-hdd/debian-live-6.0.0-i386-gnome-desktop.img and used unetbootin to put it on usb stick but not booting am i doing something wrong as in method to install to usb ? |
| 05:24.34 | Terminus | stew: it lists all of the services installed, and shows you which runlevels they're enabled or disabled on. |
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| 05:24.47 | stew | Terminus: ls /etc/rc?.d/* ? |
| 05:25.04 | Terminus | stew: that's what i do right now, just wondering if there's a friendlier tool. |
| 05:25.07 | NuxRo | stew: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/09/msg00003.html |
| 05:25.21 | NuxRo | stew: ctrl+f upstart |
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| 05:26.40 | stew | NuxRo: well, Petter Reinholdtsen is the person who made the change to insserv, so i guess his plans changed |
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| 05:27.21 | NuxRo | stew: thanks for the info, much appreciated |
| 05:27.30 | un214 | good |
| 05:27.40 | un214 | if upstart showed up I'd have patched it out or jumped |
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| 05:28.48 | hiexpo | well i guess no answer for my problem |
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| 05:30.57 | hiexpo | will just stay with ubuntu than |
| 05:31.46 | ZitZ | what was your problem hiexpo? i'm bored |
| 05:32.35 | stew | hiexpo: you shold not be using unetbootin, just cp it to your usb |
| 05:32.39 | ZitZ | oh, i saw it |
| 05:32.46 | ZitZ | yeah, you don't need unetbootin |
| 05:33.08 | stew | hiexpo: unetbootin is for trying (and often failing) to make bootable images out of .iso images, but you don't have an .iso, you have a usb imagee already |
| 05:33.11 | ZitZ | since squeeze, we have hybrid isos |
| 05:33.18 | stew | he's not using an iso |
| 05:33.26 | stew | he's using a usb hd image |
| 05:33.44 | ZitZ | oh, even better |
| 05:33.55 | hiexpo | ZitZ, well downloaded the live 6 iso and used unetbootin to install it to the usb rebooted and screen cam up hit default > only option started loading ubint kern than just stoped after aboyt 3 minutes |
| 05:34.30 | hiexpo | oh ok so i have the wrong image |
| 05:34.54 | stew | hiexpo: forget the .iso, if you downloaded a usb-hdd image, why not use that? |
| 05:35.21 | ZitZ | yeah, i didn't know you had the usb image |
| 05:35.52 | hiexpo | thats what i downloaded right ? |
| 05:36.06 | stew | "hello all downloaded |
| 05:36.08 | stew | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0-live/i386/usb-hdd/debian-live-6.0.0-i386-gnome-desktop.img " |
| 05:36.09 | ZitZ | personally, if you're a beginner, i would go with a full CD1 iso |
| 05:36.42 | alkisg | Where can I find a list of what's in the DVD1 iso? |
| 05:36.47 | stew | ZitZ: you would recommend he install debian using a cd instead of booting a live image with a usb? |
| 05:37.10 | stew | alkisg: the .jigdo files are a gzipped list of pakcages |
| 05:37.21 | alkisg | stew, thanks |
| 05:37.35 | stew | alkisg: oh, /msg dpkg cd contents |
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| 05:38.13 | maxxe | no use netinst iso |
| 05:38.31 | alkisg | Ah even better :) |
| 05:38.40 | ZitZ | if you're not used to using a usb, yes, i would go with a cd install, it wasn't until recently that debian made usb installing easier with the hybrid isos |
| 05:39.10 | hiexpo | ok maybe i misunderstood was thinking this was a live umg file so i could run it live to check it out |
| 05:39.26 | hiexpo | ^img |
| 05:39.41 | ZitZ | you can do that, i'm not trying to stop you |
| 05:40.15 | ZitZ | you can even do that with a live cd if you wanted |
| 05:40.25 | hiexpo | ok so what did i do wrong why will it not completely boot into the xserver |
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| 05:40.56 | stew | hiexpo: it is a live usb file and you can run it live to check it out, yes |
| 05:40.57 | karlpinc | What controls the selection of default shell in squeeze? Is it just the link in /bin/sh? I looked though update-alternatives and can't find anything. Is there a "right way" to change this? |
| 05:41.05 | ZitZ | which image did you download? |
| 05:41.08 | hiexpo | should i just dd the image to the usb ? |
| 05:41.13 | stew | hiexpo: instead of trying to use unetbootin to put it onto a usb, just cp it |
| 05:41.20 | ZitZ | yes, use dd |
| 05:41.25 | stew | hiexpo: do you know the /dev/whatever name of your usb? |
| 05:41.37 | ZitZ | or cp |
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| 05:41.46 | hiexpo | yes i know how |
| 05:41.51 | stew | hiexpo: cp foo.img /dev/whatever |
| 05:41.56 | ZitZ | yep |
| 05:42.04 | hiexpo | kk |
| 05:42.34 | ZitZ | it sounded like unebootin gave you some type of kernel panic |
| 05:42.55 | hiexpo | i think so also |
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| 05:43.48 | ZitZ | i used to get those when you had to get the right boot files for the testing image you were putting on the usb, it was such a headache, the hybrid isos are the best thing since sliced bread |
| 05:46.43 | hiexpo | kool |
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| 05:49.47 | hiexpo | see i tried getting the hybrid iso and when i click on the link i get page not found page so the link to it is bad |
| 05:51.14 | hiexpo | The requested URL /debian-cd/6.0.0-live/i386/iso-cd/ was not found on this server. |
| 05:52.29 | hiexpo | brb |
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| 05:59.05 | hiexpo | ok booted into oknow |
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| 06:00.49 | ZitZ | cool, thats great! |
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| 06:01.53 | hiexpo | now what is the new hybrid iso's |
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| 06:02.58 | InfectedSoul | is there a program that will upload screenshots automatic? |
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| 06:03.11 | ZitZ | the isos for the netinst images and the cd images will work if you burn them to cd or if you copy them to usb, it used to not be that way, you would have to copy the right boot.img files for the given kernel and stuff, it was a headache, but you can install straight from the live session |
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| 06:04.39 | ZitZ | InfectedSoul: I don't know, but that sounds cool, might be possible through a python script if it hasn't been done already |
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| 06:04.55 | Ugly_Duck | hey, you know hwo mysql can sync databases all the time everytime data is changed, whats the best thing to use to do the same thing with imap/email |
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| 06:06.33 | hiexpo | ZitZ, oh ok kool much better than but why can't i get to them > I click the link and not there the only one i can get is the hdd image is why i downloaded that |
| 06:06.52 | stew | hiexpo: what is the url that is not working for you? |
| 06:06.56 | InfectedSoul | is there a program that will upload screenshots automatic? |
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| 06:07.22 | hiexpo | stew, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0-live/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 06:07.54 | Ugly_Duck | i guess i could run imapsync on a cron job right |
| 06:08.03 | hiexpo | stew, or http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0-live/i386/bt-cd/ |
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| 06:09.37 | stew | hiexpo: use this: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0-live/i386/ |
| 06:09.50 | stew | hiexpo: where what that linked to from? |
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| 06:10.37 | ZitZ | hiexpo: you could just browse from there and find the image you want, like this one for instance, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.0-i386-gnome-desktop.iso |
| 06:11.11 | hiexpo | stew ok and the were linked from here at debians page http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
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| 06:12.06 | ZitZ | looks like the links are broken, haven't been updated yet, the site was just revamped yesterday |
| 06:12.32 | hiexpo | ZitZ, yup ok het and what is the standard iso ? |
| 06:12.43 | hiexpo | ^hey |
| 06:12.59 | ZitZ | what do you mean standard iso? |
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| 06:14.10 | hiexpo | ZitZ, there is gnome kde lxde xfce rescue and standard iso's i know what they all are except the standard one |
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| 06:15.36 | hiexpo | it is here ZitZ look http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0-live/i386/bt-hybrid/ |
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| 06:16.19 | ZitZ | hiexpo, i'm not sure, i'm guessing it is whatever they deem a standard install, which i'm not sure of, does stew know for sure? |
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| 06:16.57 | ZitZ | i've actually never seen those before, but a quick google showed one that existed for etch, so i assume they've been around a while |
| 06:17.43 | hiexpo | ok |
| 06:17.54 | ZitZ | oh, i just found that both the standard and the rescue do not have a gui |
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| 06:19.38 | hiexpo | ZitZ, oh ok makes sense so all terminal based |
| 06:20.20 | ZitZ | yep |
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| 06:21.25 | hiexpo | ZitZ, ok getting the new hybrid now but the bit torrent onedon't work with transmission for some reason got an error so wentto just normal download |
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| 06:22.28 | ZitZ | strange, but this was all done yesterday, so there may still be some small problems with the web site |
| 06:22.56 | hiexpo | yep probally still moving stuff around |
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| 06:24.00 | asarch | What is the name of the firmware package for the Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG wireless card for Debian 6? |
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| 06:24.48 | cahoot | firmwarw-iwlwifi? |
| 06:24.53 | cahoot | firmware-iwlwifi? |
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| 06:25.34 | asarch | Thank cahoot |
| 06:25.40 | asarch | Thank you very much |
| 06:25.41 | asarch | :-) |
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| 06:25.46 | asarch | See you there! |
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| 06:32.00 | belak | I just wanted to say that the website is a HUGE improvement over what it was. Still not the greatest... but it's at least easier to navigate now... |
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| 06:37.02 | stew | hiexpo: thanks for pointing out the broken links. they should be fixed soonish |
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| 06:38.42 | hiexpo | stew, no problem thank you guys for the help also and hey i didn't look but what internet browser is debian 6 useing |
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| 06:42.18 | mcloy | can any one please recommend a desent web host for an open source (opencart) ecommerce online shopping website to host ? |
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| 06:44.01 | simonrvn | hiexpo: debian has iceweasel, similar to ff ('using') |
| 06:45.06 | hiexpo | simonrvn, ok kool > do all the ff apps work with it ? |
| 06:45.15 | stew | hiexpo: but also has many many others |
| 06:45.37 | stew | yes, the only real difference from ff is the name and the artwork |
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| 06:46.02 | hiexpo | stew, ok |
| 06:46.29 | stew | and a lot of extensions/plugins are packaged and apt-gettable even |
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| 06:48.52 | hiexpo | stew, oh kool > one last ? is running Debian pretty much like running Ubuntu same procedures and all the apps i use on Ubuntu will be available in Debian |
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| 06:52.38 | solidrock | guys, where do i locate schema for dhcp debian lenny |
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| 06:54.02 | simonrvn | on the web, or the packages |
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| 06:55.03 | hiexpo | packages |
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| 06:56.21 | solidrock | what should be the followup for apt-get if im going to use the package manager |
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| 06:59.09 | ham5 | have had problems building transmission lately, have to do an extra step, was curious if anyone else built it and had the same problem/ mabey a fix... http://pastebin.com/CGgzzzXd |
| 07:00.05 | nvz | why on earth would anyone even build transmission? |
| 07:00.19 | ham5 | i know right, my bad. |
| 07:01.06 | nvz | its all good, just forward me your pr0n collection |
| 07:01.21 | ham5 | sure your hd can take it all? |
| 07:01.30 | ham5 | 60g |
| 07:02.05 | ham5 | fix me i give u ftp access |
| 07:02.51 | PsyquoQulerHayd | Hello . . . I just saw that Squeeze is the official stable now. What are all the other project names and their development status? |
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| 07:03.18 | ham5 | wheezy, just use 'stable' 'testing' and 'unstable' |
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| 07:04.45 | civillia1 | gah, parisc is dropped in squeeze? |
| 07:04.54 | nvz | Bo, Rex, Buzz, Slink, Potato, Etch are all obsolete stable, Lenny is old stable, Squeeze is current stable, Wheezy is testing, Sid is as always unstable |
| 07:05.07 | nvz | PsyquoQulerHayd: ^ |
| 07:05.27 | civillia1 | can someone put it back in please |
| 07:05.29 | civillia1 | !! |
| 07:05.29 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 07:05.54 | civillia1 | so it seems.. |
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| 07:06.51 | PsyquoQulerHayd | If I use stable, and configure the package manager to use some testing and unstable packages, do I then have an unstable install? |
| 07:07.08 | ham5 | looking for palo civillial? |
| 07:07.21 | civillia1 | yeah ... |
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| 07:07.39 | ham5 | its in stable, and testing.... |
| 07:07.58 | civillia1 | actually I'm looking for /hppa/ |
| 07:08.15 | ham5 | !dpkg palo |
| 07:08.24 | ham5 | Linux boot loader for parisc/hppa |
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| 07:08.56 | civillia1 | hppa support is continued into squeeze though? It's not listed at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ |
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| 07:10.14 | ham5 | no clue |
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| 07:10.38 | civillia1 | yet http://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/ has it there |
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| 07:12.02 | civillia1 | it isn't explicitly stated that it has been removed at http://www.debian.org/ports/hppa/ |
| 07:12.33 | Bushmills | civillia1: nope, what i read was that hppa is one of the dropped architectures |
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| 07:13.04 | Bushmills | along with arm and alpha |
| 07:14.15 | civillia1 | cry! I have an HP B2000 |
| 07:14.28 | Bushmills | then don't upgrade |
| 07:14.29 | civillia1 | damned if HPUX is going back on |
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| 07:16.05 | civillia1 | Bushmills: thanks for that info. I was hoping debian wouldn't drop an arch, but maybe it's too much to maintain for the small user base |
| 07:16.15 | GreatLord | Hi I got a nas from dlink dns-320 and dlink have release chroot with debain for it at ftp://ftp.dlink.pl/dns/dns-320/driver_software/ I wonder how I can get tightvnc start automatic and offer login screen |
| 07:16.21 | GreatLord | it is arm base |
| 07:16.51 | indecipherable | SQUEEZE!!! |
| 07:17.00 | indecipherable | That is all. |
| 07:18.30 | ahimza | so, is everybody lenny uprading now? |
| 07:18.42 | GreatLord | any good guide or help how todo it ? |
| 07:18.53 | Bushmills | "everybody" as in "no exception"? |
| 07:19.17 | ahimza | there are always exceptions... |
| 07:19.18 | civillia1 | is on etch/hppa still here so I fail that first test |
| 07:19.34 | Bushmills | then you answered your own question |
| 07:19.51 | ahimza | i think so :-) |
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| 07:20.41 | nvz | ahimza: I'm staying the weekend at a friends house, was upgrading their machine until it just randomly shut off |
| 07:20.49 | niftylettuce | Using debian 6.0 -- my alsamixer doesn't let me select my bluetooth headset as audio output -- in addition Gnash doesn't work on YouTube -- should I uninstall Gnash and install flash? |
| 07:20.51 | nvz | turns out all their fans are full of dust |
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| 07:21.21 | ahimza | mm strange |
| 07:21.50 | ahimza | what do the logs tell you? |
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| 07:22.35 | solidrock | dhcp schema for debian lenny |
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| 07:22.42 | civillia1 | logs say fan is full of crap :) |
| 07:22.51 | meder | should I migrate legacy boot sequencing to dependency based sequencing on my development debian server? |
| 07:23.11 | nvz | civillia1: heh.. seriously.. needs taken apart and cleaned if you wanna run it again |
| 07:23.29 | ahimza | i think dependency booting is smarter |
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| 07:29.21 | paulq | how do i add the nvidia driver non-free |
| 07:29.40 | nvz | !nvidia |
| 07:29.40 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia m-a> or <nvidia dkms> might work; see <nvidia lenny> for oldstable procedures. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 07:30.08 | civillia1 | Bushmills, nvz: I will have to pick another arch from the list that sounds interesting and new |
| 07:30.29 | civillia1 | sparc perhaps |
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| 07:48.50 | Tuinslak | anyone aware of uptimed (uprecords) resetting its database on a system crash (= not clean shutdown) |
| 07:49.26 | Tuinslak | version 0.3.16 (squeeze) |
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| 07:53.59 | Gryllida | what in earth is Kerberos password? I don't remember setting it, but the system asks me to enter it each time I try to run `passwd` to change a regular user password. all I remember doing is an upgrade to squeeze by replacing lenny with squeeze in /etc/sources.list and running aptitude safe-upgrade |
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| 08:02.00 | Micko | hi all |
| 08:02.32 | Micko | I have this issue also after installing new 6.0 version http://debian-user.blogspot.com/2007/05/uuid-instead-of-devsda1.html |
| 08:03.34 | Micko | can someone help me bring it back to /dev/sda1 , /dev/sda2 etc. ? |
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| 08:04.05 | nvz | Micko: uh... why> |
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| 08:09.56 | hardcore | how can i show the package version in the repo? |
| 08:10.08 | hardcore | if i search with apt-cache search i can't see the version |
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| 08:10.26 | Micko | I've had Lenny installed before and I had /dev/sda1 why is this now? |
| 08:10.33 | JyZyXEL | "You have selected the root file system to be stored on an encrypted partition. This feature requires separate /boot partition on which kernel and initrd can be stored." |
| 08:10.34 | JyZyXEL | what the hell |
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| 08:11.12 | nvz | JyZyXEL: your bootloader cannot boot from an encrypted volume |
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| 08:11.19 | JyZyXEL | your? |
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| 08:11.29 | nvz | Micko: its now using UUIDs because they make more sense |
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| 08:12.02 | JyZyXEL | nvz: what do you mean "your" |
| 08:12.08 | nvz | Micko: if I put a thumbdrive in as my kernel is loading, it could detect that as sda and not my hdd and my system will not boot.. with UUID it cannot make that mistake |
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| 08:12.27 | Kasreyn | just wondering. i never added dl.google.com to my /etc/apt/sources yet it still pulls from it? how come? Get:1 http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable/main google-chrome-stable i386 9.0.597.84-r72991 [23.5 MB] |
| 08:12.30 | bonjoyee | i cant find dropbox in squeeze? has it been removed from the repos? |
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| 08:12.44 | bocaneri | I love uuid because it makes it very simple to make a given external drive mount to a specific mountpoint. |
| 08:13.05 | nvz | JyZyXEL: nevermind. THe point is, the message is telling you to make a NON ENCRYPTED /boot patition so you don't have problems booting. |
| 08:13.17 | Micko | ok, so UUID is better and from now on it'll be like that, I mean new versions? |
| 08:13.29 | JyZyXEL | nvz: why, grub2 supports booting off encrypted partition |
| 08:13.51 | nvz | Micko: its wise yes.. bocaneri gave you another scenario where UUID is useful |
| 08:13.56 | JyZyXEL | and second of all how the hell do you make an unencrypted /boot partition when you already partitioned the whole disk as a big partition |
| 08:14.16 | JyZyXEL | the installer doesn't allow removing encrypted volumes just created |
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| 08:14.28 | nvz | JyZyXEL: you delete it and make two partitions? |
| 08:14.34 | JyZyXEL | how do you delete it? |
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| 08:14.42 | JyZyXEL | theres no delete feature anywhere |
| 08:14.47 | nvz | JyZyXEL: are you in the debian installer? |
| 08:14.51 | JyZyXEL | yes |
| 08:15.11 | Micko | ok, cool. Thanks guys! |
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| 08:15.15 | nvz | JyZyXEL: click on or press enter on the partition |
| 08:15.27 | nvz | JyZyXEL: it is in there if I recall correctly.. |
| 08:15.29 | JyZyXEL | which partition |
| 08:15.37 | nvz | the one you want to delete |
| 08:16.03 | JyZyXEL | the one over dm or the physical one |
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| 08:18.07 | JyZyXEL | the logic is broken |
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| 08:18.11 | nvz | if there is no data on the drive yet, just click on the drive itself above all the partitions, create a new partition table and start over |
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| 08:18.56 | Gryllida | what in earth is Kerberos password? I don't remember setting it, but the system asks me to enter it each time I try to run `passwd` to change a regular user password. all I remember doing is an upgrade to squeeze by replacing lenny with squeeze in /etc/sources.list and running aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 08:19.00 | JyZyXEL | "No modification can be made to the partition for the following reasons: In use as physical volume for encrypted volume sdd1_crypt" |
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| 08:20.40 | nvz | you seem to be unable to read and understand things and ask real questions |
| 08:21.22 | JyZyXEL | no you seem to be unable to understand the installer doesn't let you modify the partition table after you have crypto running on it |
| 08:22.29 | Gryllida | ....? |
| 08:22.31 | nvz | heh. you're still in the partitioner.. nothing is doins anything yet |
| 08:22.55 | JyZyXEL | yes it is |
| 08:23.48 | nvz | you obviously have to delete the crypt before the physical if you just do it like that, or just write a new partition table from scratch |
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| 08:24.11 | JyZyXEL | you cannot delete the _crypt |
| 08:24.19 | nvz | bullshit |
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| 08:24.37 | JyZyXEL | i couldn't find any menu selection to do that |
| 08:24.43 | nvz | I can use dd and write whatever the hell I want over your entire hard drive |
| 08:25.04 | JyZyXEL | how is that related to anything |
| 08:25.45 | nvz | its related to the fact that you can still erase the whole damn drive and start over |
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| 08:25.56 | nvz | which I said at least twice now |
| 08:25.58 | JyZyXEL | no you can't |
| 08:26.14 | JyZyXEL | the installer doesn't allow you to do that |
| 08:26.30 | twinkie_addict | wow it hot in here to night lol |
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| 08:26.36 | assurbanipal | hi guys, i installed debian 6 + xfce on a laptop,but getting no x.plz help me out! |
| 08:26.42 | nvz | ugh.. you're seriously going to make me d/l an installer ISO and run virtualbox?! |
| 08:26.49 | JyZyXEL | yes i am |
| 08:27.08 | JyZyXEL | im telling you its a trap |
| 08:27.21 | twinkie_addict | how no x ? what error ? |
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| 08:27.34 | nvz | I just ran it last night, but I don't have the ISO here, its on another machine.. |
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| 08:27.47 | JyZyXEL | if you partition your whole disk as a one huge encrypted partition the installation comes to a dead end |
| 08:27.59 | assurbanipal | twinkie_addict: just black screen |
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| 08:28.09 | JyZyXEL | you have to reboot after that |
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| 08:29.05 | twinkie_addict | ok it happened to me when i installed x by hand but ewhen i let the installer inster install the gui option it works fine |
| 08:29.10 | asperon_work | hi guys, can anybody recommend a debian based distro to use for a firewall/router? |
| 08:29.24 | twinkie_addict | gebian |
| 08:29.30 | twinkie_addict | debian |
| 08:29.31 | assurbanipal | anybody who can help me? |
| 08:29.31 | nvz | I find that hard to believe, but even so.. a reboot isn't a big deal |
| 08:29.58 | nvz | it'll take me another half an hour on this DSL to download the damn 6.0 installer ISO |
| 08:30.13 | GorillaPatch | Hello all. I am interested in the new squeeze kernel based on BSD. Is there a good introductory page I can get more information? |
| 08:30.22 | twinkie_addict | i used the net inst |
| 08:30.48 | GorillaPatch | How stable is the ZFS support? |
| 08:31.12 | robinsmidsrod | GorillaPatch: there is a wiki page |
| 08:31.30 | robinsmidsrod | there is also a dedicated irc channel on irc.oftc.net #debian-kbsd |
| 08:31.46 | robinsmidsrod | GorillaPatch: it is freebsd 8.1 kernel, so as stable as it is there |
| 08:31.53 | GorillaPatch | robinsmidsrod: Thanks. Sounds interesting. |
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| 08:32.14 | JyZyXEL | "After the encrypted volumes have been configured, no additional changes to the partitions on the disk containing encrypted volumes are allowed. Please decide if you are satisfied with the current partitioning scheme for the disks before continuing" |
| 08:32.24 | robinsmidsrod | GorillaPatch: got a box up and running with it yesterday - seems to be working okay, even on 32bit |
| 08:32.28 | JyZyXEL | so if you don't leave room for /boot your fucked |
| 08:32.39 | GorillaPatch | I would like to better understand the differences. |
| 08:32.44 | JyZyXEL | you have to start from the beginning if you fuck that up |
| 08:33.09 | GorillaPatch | What about iptables? Is it ported to the BSD kernel? |
| 08:33.14 | robinsmidsrod | GorillaPatch: there is a FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ |
| 08:33.23 | robinsmidsrod | GorillaPatch: nope, you'll have to use PF |
| 08:33.29 | twinkie_addict | im having great success with debian 6.0 |
| 08:33.46 | nvz | well my original point stands.. you are quoting to me from the installer stuff you should have read and understood to have avoided this |
| 08:34.08 | bocaneri | I'm debating upgrading in-place rather than going with a clean install. |
| 08:34.10 | robinsmidsrod | GorillaPatch: start here and work your way outwards: http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD |
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| 08:34.22 | GorillaPatch | robinsmidsrod: Thanks for the URL before bothering you more I will read the FAQ first. |
| 08:35.09 | mutante | http://packages.debian.org/testing/php/ " |
| 08:35.09 | mutante | couldn't read index file wheezy/php/index.en.html: No such file or directory |
| 08:38.29 | epsilon | what's curret mirror size for i386 & amd64 without source / ISO images? |
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| 08:44.06 | assurbanipal | hi guys, i installed debian 6 + xfce on a laptop,but getting no x.plz can someone help me out? |
| 08:44.30 | JyZyXEL | "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources. You may try to continue without a kernel, and manually install your own kernel later. This is only recommended for experts, otherwise you will likely end up with a machine that doesn't boot. |
| 08:44.33 | JyZyXEL | what the fuck |
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| 08:45.14 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL: check /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 08:46.12 | JyZyXEL | im pretty much done trying to use this installer |
| 08:46.27 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL: also, if you install from incomplete media and havent setup apt repository this might be the issue. |
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| 08:47.23 | JyZyXEL | the base system installation step comes before setting up apt thats true |
| 08:47.23 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL: or you are behind a proxy and apt cant connect to the configured repo |
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| 08:48.04 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL: what install media you did exactly use? |
| 08:48.09 | JyZyXEL | a usb stick |
| 08:48.24 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL: what install MEDIA you did exactly use? |
| 08:48.39 | JyZyXEL | debian-6.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 08:49.15 | dutchfish | scratches head |
| 08:49.36 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL: that sounds ok for the media. |
| 08:49.57 | JyZyXEL | i copied files: ".disk, dists, install.382, install.amd, pics, pool, g2ldr, g2ldr.mbr" |
| 08:50.05 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL: wait, is your stick mounted and have you verified the content? |
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| 08:50.31 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL: form the main, check media |
| 08:50.39 | dutchfish | s/form/from |
| 08:50.40 | JyZyXEL | it only has CD-ROM check |
| 08:50.46 | dutchfish | yep |
| 08:50.56 | JyZyXEL | that doesn't work |
| 08:51.00 | dutchfish | its an akward name, but try |
| 08:51.22 | JyZyXEL | The CD-ROM you have inserted is not a valid Debian CD-ROM. Please change the disk. |
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| 08:51.33 | dutchfish | usb uses loop mounted image as cdrom |
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| 08:52.04 | JyZyXEL | [ ] load-media: Load installer components from removable media |
| 08:52.07 | JyZyXEL | do i need that |
| 08:52.28 | jmarsden | dutchfish: I think you missed: <JyZyXEL> i copied files: ".disk, dists, install.382, install.amd, pics, pool, g2ldr, g2ldr.mbr" |
| 08:52.30 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL: i would first check, if the image is not corrupted on the usb |
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| 08:52.45 | dutchfish | jmarsden: ah ok |
| 08:52.55 | JyZyXEL | ill copy the md5sum.txt too so i can do the check |
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| 08:53.29 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL: did you create the usb stick according to the howto? |
| 08:53.52 | JyZyXEL | no cause the howto destroyed all the data |
| 08:54.18 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL: then backup that stick, and rince and repeat |
| 08:55.54 | JyZyXEL | no im done with this hit |
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| 08:57.08 | JyZyXEL | ill try debootstrapping it with lenny |
| 08:57.39 | nvz | heh |
| 08:57.53 | JyZyXEL | and hope lenny does good enough job writing ext4 |
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| 08:58.57 | dutchfish | well i used section A.2.2 from http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apas02.html#howto-getting-images-usb a couple of times and that worked pretty well, except for the final write out (under lenny) when the image is copied, i use: sync && sync |
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| 08:59.32 | dutchfish | that ensures that all bytes are written to the usb |
| 09:00.30 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL: lenny and ext4 has its quircks due to the old kernel, i would not recommend that |
| 09:00.45 | JyZyXEL | ill just fsck it after installation |
| 09:01.01 | JyZyXEL | with squeeze |
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| 09:01.17 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL: i think letting ext3 and when fully upgrade you can go to ext4 (after a backup) |
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| 09:01.57 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL: that is whe you have booted in squeeze kernel |
| 09:02.21 | dutchfish | s/whe/when |
| 09:02.30 | JyZyXEL | well /boot will go on ext3 so it should boot up |
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| 09:03.41 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL: its your call, but i suggest to read at least: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Migrating_a_live_system_from_ext3_to_ext4_filesystem |
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| 09:04.58 | JyZyXEL | i wouldn't trust the conversion much |
| 09:05.04 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL: there are more things you should take account for when migrating see lenny->squeeze |
| 09:05.17 | JyZyXEL | that upgrading |
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| 09:05.34 | dutchfish | yes |
| 09:05.43 | JyZyXEL | im just bootstrapping |
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| 09:05.56 | dutchfish | ok |
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| 09:18.47 | oxman | elle est bien compliqué la méthode de dpkg pour mettre à jour :x |
| 09:18.58 | oxman | pourquoi pas juste faire update / upgrade ? |
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| 09:19.01 | bluegene | is it possible to send a compressed post request using curl? or do i rather have to set the header and compress the contents manually? |
| 09:19.02 | oxman | pourquoi pas juste faire update / dist-upgrade ? |
| 09:19.08 | nvz | !fr |
| 09:19.08 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
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| 09:20.33 | Rapp | hi everybody! |
| 09:20.44 | paulojack | hi rapp |
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| 09:21.42 | Rapp | i just upgraded to squeeze, and now my mysql does not start anymore. if i run mysqld manually, it starts, but /etc/init.d/mysql start says "failed". how can i debug this? |
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| 09:22.04 | bluegene | have a look at the logs in /var/log |
| 09:22.25 | Rapp | they are 0 bytes |
| 09:22.31 | bluegene | increase the log level then |
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| 09:25.07 | dachary | Hi, I'm looking for a way to output the dependency graph of a given set of packages. I know a pbuilder script does this. I wonder if there is something else, standalone or part of the standard apt suite ? |
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| 09:29.36 | Rapp | thanks so far. will try. |
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| 09:30.48 | mongrol | what is the system in gnome that sees and automounts other partitions? I need to change the permissions one my hfs+ disk |
| 09:31.09 | moulip | Hi all |
| 09:31.30 | moulip | I have an issue with my fresh squeeze install |
| 09:31.48 | nvz | mongrol: you either have to change for all hfs or put that specific device by uuid into fstab |
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| 09:32.08 | mongrol | nvz: gotcha thanks |
| 09:32.14 | moulip | The first boot after the installation finished I have a 1280*something resolution |
| 09:32.16 | nvz | mongrol: its done using gconf-editor |
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| 09:32.29 | mongrol | nvz: for hfsplus? |
| 09:32.45 | moulip | but if I reboot it's blocked on 800*600 and can't change it anymore |
| 09:32.51 | nvz | mongrol: the gnome default mount options will be found in there, yes.. or use fstab |
| 09:32.58 | mongrol | k, ta |
| 09:33.00 | mongrol | goes digging |
| 09:33.10 | TASAIRES | Hello! |
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| 09:34.00 | TASAIRES | I have a dude about Install disk . debian squeeze source |
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| 09:34.23 | arossouw | hi, anyone have idea when debian squeeze will be releaseD? |
| 09:34.39 | dutchfish | !squeeze |
| 09:34.39 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
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| 09:35.25 | TASAIRES | I download debian-6.0.0-source-DVD-1.iso and i test boot the iso on VM VirtualBox |
| 09:36.02 | dutchfish | TASAIRES: that wont work |
| 09:36.07 | TASAIRES | And give me a error not install media |
| 09:36.18 | dutchfish | exactly |
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| 09:36.47 | TASAIRES | Ah ok! but i open with zip and there a Folde install, but not have none file ;) |
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| 09:37.03 | dutchfish | TASAIRES: either download a netinstall cd for your architecture or cd/dvd 1 |
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| 09:37.59 | TASAIRES | dutchfish: on next released, can leave any from DVD source with install on future Update? |
| 09:38.09 | dutchfish | TASAIRES: i gues debian-6.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 09:38.27 | dutchfish | TASAIRES: or debian-6.0.0-amd64-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 09:38.39 | TASAIRES | yes i test now taht, but have some problem, there 3 install folden |
| 09:38.42 | dutchfish | TASAIRES: or debian-6.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso* |
| 09:38.57 | dajune | TASAIRES: don't extract the .iso |
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| 09:39.19 | TASAIRES | And install (for source) is without files too XD |
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| 09:40.27 | TASAIRES | dutchfish: Ok, nice, i download all 6 ISO source, Now try download i386, and AMD64 |
| 09:40.51 | Cerales | does anyone know how to sync an iPhone running IOS4 using Debian? The wiki says the rhythmbox method "appears not to work" but I don't know how up to date that is. |
| 09:40.55 | dutchfish | TASAIRES: you only need 1 cd image normally |
| 09:41.21 | TASAIRES | dutchfish: i was waiting, not need download the i386, and AMD64, with the source |
| 09:41.58 | TASAIRES | dutchfish: but i was wrong, or is a fail from developeds? |
| 09:42.05 | TASAIRES | XD |
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| 09:42.37 | dutchfish | TASAIRES: http://wiki.debian.org/QuickInstall |
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| 09:43.13 | TASAIRES | dutchfish: Yes i like make the some, that my Experience on Woody, and not Need NET for Install, and make many install offline |
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| 09:45.04 | dutchfish | TASAIRES: if you have the bandwidth to waste, sure, but the netinstaller does a pretty decent job |
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| 09:45.25 | TASAIRES | dutchfish: I have many machines 2 PC AMD_K8_x64 and 1 Old AMD_k7_x32, and 2 intel Petium2 |
| 09:45.41 | dutchfish | TASAIRES: ok |
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| 09:45.57 | TASAIRES | dutchfish: but alls not have Net connection |
| 09:46.13 | dutchfish | TASAIRES: ok, fair enough |
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| 09:46.55 | TASAIRES | dutchfish: But taht was my intention, try use source, for have all need for BOTH type Install x86 and x64 |
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| 09:47.54 | TASAIRES | dutchfish: Many Thanks but you help, and many thanks you, but resolve my dude about that version ans the source |
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| 09:48.17 | TASAIRES | dutchfish: bye bye From Spain, |
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| 09:48.25 | grharry | What is the "Life expectancy" of Lenny now ?? |
| 09:48.26 | dutchfish | TASAIRES: with sources you wont be able to install, an installer needs files to run ;) |
| 09:48.34 | aiwass | when debian is booted, i get an error: madm: container /dev/md/imsm0 has been assembled with 2 drives / failure: failed to assemble all arrays / done / done. can anyone help me to reparir this error, please? |
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| 09:49.59 | themill | grharry: about 12 months, although the security team did discuss whether they could support it for longer. |
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| 09:51.45 | grharry | That's fair enough considering the "Maya End of calendar - World" event ;) |
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| 09:56.16 | wsxws | hi all |
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| 09:56.56 | p_res | wsxws, hey mate. |
| 09:57.19 | wsxws | i have /boot on /dev/sda1 and / on /dev/sda3 (swap is on 2). but / becomes monted as read-only always |
| 09:57.32 | wsxws | in fstab it is marke as RW |
| 09:57.37 | wsxws | (its a webserver) |
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| 09:58.00 | wsxws | when i boot with rescue-media, the /dev/sda is mountable without any errors and can be written |
| 09:58.07 | wsxws | 3 |
| 09:58.17 | wsxws | when i boot with rescue-media, the /dev/sda3 is mountable without any errors and can be written |
| 09:58.29 | p_res | wsxws, not too sure mate. I can't help you there. |
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| 09:59.05 | wsxws | it wont be a big thing i guess, but im close to giving up on finding it |
| 09:59.36 | p_res | wsxws, tried Google? |
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| 10:00.28 | Rapp | ok, back again |
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| 10:00.46 | linker | just a question yestoday i had asked,about the aptitude install package |
| 10:01.01 | linker | who can help me |
| 10:01.13 | Rapp | so on squeeze my mysql does not want to start, yet. i now found out, that /etc/init.d/mysql tries to run /usr/bin/mysqld_safe, but that does not exist on my system... i figure something during the upgrade got borked...? |
| 10:01.15 | wsxws | p_res you habe suggestions for keywords to search for |
| 10:01.45 | linker | i can't get any package by use "aptitude install keywords" |
| 10:01.54 | wsxws | Rapp check permissions with all pathes in /var/lib/mysql |
| 10:02.13 | linker | the system have not show me any error info |
| 10:02.14 | wsxws | sometimes it creates som new files with owner root on upgrades |
| 10:02.25 | Rapp | well, i'd rather let debian re-install mysql-server... :) |
| 10:02.38 | wsxws | it wont fix that im afraid to say |
| 10:02.48 | wsxws | unless you deinstall with --purge |
| 10:03.51 | Rapp | hm. but why does /etc/init.d/mysql have a reference to something in /usr/bin that does not exist? |
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| 10:04.36 | dutchfish | Rapp: maybe /etc/init.d/mysql was not upgraded, hence not up 2 date |
| 10:04.58 | Rapp | dutchfish: that was my guess as well... |
| 10:05.00 | dutchfish | Rapp: what debian version are you running? |
| 10:05.52 | Rapp | squeeze |
| 10:05.55 | Rapp | so, new stable |
| 10:06.58 | dutchfish | Rapp: ok, a sec |
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| 10:08.00 | Rapp | find / -name mysqld_safe also returns nil |
| 10:08.21 | Rapp | and this is my init script: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5755 Feb 3 2009 mysql |
| 10:08.32 | Rapp | 2009 looks old... |
| 10:09.19 | themill | Rapp: do you have the "mysql-server-5.1" package installed? |
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| 10:09.46 | Rapp | nope |
| 10:09.49 | Rapp | just server-core |
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| 10:10.01 | mosno | how does one exit from a debconf ncurses dialog? |
| 10:10.03 | themill | (there's a known problem with lenny->squeeze not correctly transitioning from mysql-server-5.0 to mysql-server-5.1) |
| 10:10.11 | Rapp | i see! |
| 10:10.18 | mosno | ie. without continuing |
| 10:10.24 | Rapp | i think that's it |
| 10:10.40 | ethanol | themill: unless you already had 5.1 from backports, then one has already faced this problem :< |
| 10:11.13 | themill | ethanol: heh |
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| 10:11.35 | ethanol | a quick look into the syslog made the problem quite clear. but it was annoying regardless. |
| 10:11.42 | Rapp | perfect. installing mysql-server fixed everything :) |
| 10:11.44 | m4r35n357 | still no live images . . . :( |
| 10:11.57 | Rapp | thanks all! you were very helpful. |
| 10:12.19 | themill | m4r35n357: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/ ? |
| 10:12.34 | themill | Rapp: happy hunting! |
| 10:12.36 | dutchfish | Rapp: http://pastebin.com/H0ahN0Qc this is curent /etc/init.d/mysql for mysql-server-5.1 (but i think its better to backup you db's and reinstall after a purge) |
| 10:13.22 | m4r35n357 | themill, OK thanks, strange they're there but not in the place they are meant to be . . . |
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| 10:14.33 | m4r35n357 | hmm, not sure which one I need |
| 10:15.01 | m4r35n357 | ie which corresponds to which on the official download page http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
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| 10:15.49 | babilen | !debian live |
| 10:15.49 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 10:15.53 | m4r35n357 | especially since they are torrents so I can't even see the file sizes |
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| 10:16.43 | m4r35n357 | so which is the i386 live CD image ? |
| 10:16.58 | m4r35n357 | they are categorized differently, and no file sizes are available |
| 10:17.04 | its-me-again | hi i would just like to know y i would get this error after running update manager E: grub-pc: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 127 |
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| 10:18.59 | m4r35n357 | is iso-hybrid the right one? |
| 10:19.08 | m4r35n357 | or web? |
| 10:19.43 | m4r35n357 | actually I want the BT anyway, so there is no choice . . . |
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| 10:20.02 | m4r35n357 | guess I can just download it anyway and see what I get . . . |
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| 10:21.12 | its-me-again | hello any ideas to ^^^ |
| 10:21.52 | m4r35n357 | aqh, I give up |
| 10:22.10 | m4r35n357 | suppose they will update the proper pages at some point . . . |
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| 10:25.02 | babilen | m4r35n357: I would suggest to ask in #debian-live on irc.debian.org |
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| 10:25.37 | m4r35n357 | ah OK ta I thought this was the right place! |
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| 10:27.13 | babilen | m4r35n357: It is, just wanted to point out another, even more, related channel |
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| 10:28.10 | m4r35n357 | babilen, yep, I was just saying thanks ;) |
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| 10:40.00 | omid8bimo | hey i have an issue which whatever i do, some users are left out. what is the best permission to set on ssh private key id_dsa? |
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| 10:40.49 | omid8bimo | when i set it to 600, root can use it but normal user gets permission denied, when i set it to 755, normal user can use it by root ignores it |
| 10:40.52 | omid8bimo | any idea? |
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| 10:42.15 | orflon | hello, after the upgrade from lenny to squeeze, I tried to reconfigure the nvidia drivers. I get the login screen, but after the login, it doesn't get into the Desktop. Any ideas on how to debug this? |
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| 10:44.10 | saintk | Good morning. I've just upgraded one of our machines from Lenny to Squeeze, now i have this error spamming my ssh session every second, any idea what that is about? http://nopaste.info/5a2b81f3a7.html |
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| 10:45.05 | wsxws | hm |
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| 10:46.30 | tim_flatus | I've been tracking testing, thinking of moving to sid. At this stage in the cycle do I need to upgrade to wheezy first? Or may I just as well go straight for sid? |
| 10:47.40 | bluesceada | hmm can i use the same debian squeeze system to either boot with a freebsd or linux kernel? |
| 10:48.40 | Cerales | Does anyone know how to sync with an iPhone running IOS 4 in Debian? The wiki says the rhythmbox method doesn't work with ios 4 but i don't know how up to date it s. |
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| 10:54.49 | babilen | omid8bimo: What is wrong with 600 ? I don't quite understand the problem ... shouldn't only the owner be allowed to read/write it? |
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| 10:56.02 | babilen | orflon: How do you install/configure the nvidia driver? I would recommend using the -dkms package -- /msg dpkg nvidia dkms -- for a one-liner that summarises the configuration. |
| 10:56.42 | orflon | babilen, thanks a lot , i'll try it out. I used m-a, and the stuff about nvidia in debian.org |
| 10:56.56 | babilen | tim_flatus: Wheezy is notthing you want to run right now |
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| 10:58.19 | pistolpete | babilen: I've got Wheezy up and running without any major problems. |
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| 10:59.06 | babilen | orflon: Ok. That'll work too. I would still use dkms and configure your nvidia card in a snippet /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ -- typically only the "Device" section is needed. Would you mind to make that change, mv/rm your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and try again? |
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| 10:59.53 | orflon | babilen, sure, I run aptitude at the moment. |
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| 10:59.56 | babilen | pistolpete: You are braver than me ;) |
| 11:00.57 | babilen | pistolpete: "its just wheezy. noone sane should be using that RIGHT NOW :)" (release manager on wheezy) |
| 11:01.16 | pistolpete | babilen: not really, was running testing all along and forget not to update and the rest is history. ;) |
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| 11:01.41 | babilen | well, may i suggest a s/testing/wheezy in your sources then? |
| 11:02.05 | its-me-again | hi i getting this error when installing grub-pc E: grub-pc: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 127 |
| 11:02.44 | orflon | babilen, should I do anything else apart from what dpkg message says? |
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| 11:02.48 | babilen | bluesceada: No, seperate installations. (just like amd64 and i386) |
| 11:02.57 | bluesceada | okay, thanks |
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| 11:03.13 | babilen | orflon: If you had a /etc/X11/xorg.conf you should move that out of the way (into your home, for example) |
| 11:03.15 | ma3x | hi does it make sense to still use lenny? there are far too many upgraded packages in squeeze that I don't like |
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| 11:03.25 | stephen | hi guys |
| 11:03.28 | bluesceada | babilen: though i can use a 64bit kernel with my 32bit userspace :> |
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| 11:03.42 | tim_flatus | babilen: Thanks. Not thinking of using wheezy, just wondering about upgrade path. Can I take it that going straight for sid from squeeze is unlikely to cause me any great problems (IYO)? |
| 11:03.43 | Guest83703 | does anyone know of a way of changing the file stamps of a current file when scping over to a server |
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| 11:03.46 | orflon | babilen, ok and then I reboot. |
| 11:03.58 | babilen | Cerales: I would ask in some iPhone specific channel like gtkpod or so, they are likely to know more about iphones than #debian -- Sorry, can't help you there |
| 11:04.04 | Guest83703 | when someone uploads a file its the creation timestamp.. and its preserved on the serve.r. I want to be able to change it to the upload time |
| 11:04.52 | babilen | ma3x: Lenny is supported for another year, but you'll have to upgrade eventually so you might just get it done today. What is the problem with Squeeze? (k d e?) |
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| 11:05.23 | babilen | bluesceada: True, and there my analogy breaks down ... |
| 11:05.35 | bluesceada | okay :D |
| 11:06.01 | bluesceada | but thanks, then i won't try that so soon |
| 11:06.24 | pistolpete | babilen: kde was the major changes in wheezy when I updated testing yesterday, things seem to be working fine! |
| 11:06.28 | babilen | tim_flatus: just upgrade directly to sid if you want that ... but sid too will see an influx of a bunch of new/upgraded packages these days so be prepared for a bumpy ride |
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| 11:06.59 | ma3x | babilen kde has gone way mad yeh, but other things too like insserv and boot dependency, grub2, modules blacklisting .... |
| 11:07.03 | babilen | orflon: yes (cya in a second) |
| 11:07.03 | markitoxs | hello |
| 11:07.20 | orflon | babilen, after typing "startx", I just get a black screen with the mouse pointer. |
| 11:07.21 | markitoxs | i was wondering if there is a possibility to do a hot backup on a filesystem without LVM |
| 11:07.21 | tim_flatus | babilen: Thanks. I'm a grown-up & been using Debian for 7 years. I won't hold anybody personally responsible. ;-) |
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| 11:08.23 | orflon | babilen, there is no xorg.conf at all. You said about the Device section above needed.. :S |
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| 11:09.51 | babilen | ma3x: You don't *have* to upgrade to insserv (it is, however, stringly recommended) -- See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/01/msg00507.html (and probably earlier messages in that thread) |
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| 11:10.59 | ma3x | i've been using kde for 7 years now i have to switch to gnome |
| 11:11.11 | babilen | orflon: That sounds Ok .. Do you have a ~/.xinitrc? Are you using a graphical login manager? Which WM/DE do you want to use? |
| 11:11.12 | ma3x | those fools made kde unusable |
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| 11:11.55 | babilen | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:11.57 | orflon | babilen, I used to have a graphical login manager. What is WM/DE? The only xinitrc is: /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc |
| 11:12.12 | orflon | babilen, did that. |
| 11:12.14 | babilen | orflon: err, haven't you run ^^^^^ ? |
| 11:12.37 | orflon | yes, that exists. |
| 11:13.02 | babilen | orflon: The xorg.conf can be split into several snippets in xorg.conf.d -- you do *in fact* have a xorg.conf (just the relevant and needed part for nvidia in 20-nvidia.conf) |
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| 11:13.20 | orflon | ah got it. |
| 11:13.23 | babilen | orflon: wm == window manager, de == desktop environment |
| 11:13.32 | orflon | babilen, like gnome or kde? |
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| 11:14.19 | babilen | orflon: It's snss (shiny new shit in squeeze) |
| 11:14.39 | orflon | babilen, I've no clue. Can you choose the best for me? :P |
| 11:14.43 | babilen | orflon: yeah, like gnome, kde (both DE) or fluxbox, awesomewm, wmii (WMs) |
| 11:15.09 | orflon | babilen, anyway gnome would be good. I just want to see my Desktop in the first place :P |
| 11:15.33 | babilen | orflon: Hell, no ... That decision has a lot to do with personal preferences. What are you looking for? What kind of features do you want? |
| 11:15.52 | orflon | babilen, does compiz play a role here? Just that. |
| 11:15.56 | babilen | orflon: Hehe ... OK. Do you have "gdm" installed? |
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| 11:16.21 | orflon | babilen, it used to be. I ran an apt-get autoremove before and threw me in terminal mode. |
| 11:16.25 | orflon | So let me check. |
| 11:16.37 | babilen | orflon: compiz is a window manager that replaces the Gnome window manager (metacity) ... and yes it plays a role, but lets not get into that (/me dislikes compiz) |
| 11:17.09 | babilen | (or kde or whatever) |
| 11:17.14 | orflon | I had it installed before, I hope that's not the problem here. It is installed yes. |
| 11:17.23 | orflon | (the gdm) |
| 11:17.31 | ma3x | can i reinstall without formatting the partition? i want to delete everything else on / but leave the /home directory |
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| 11:17.58 | babilen | orflon: Just as a note. If you look for a desktop environment I would also look into LXDE or XFCE (in that order) .. |
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| 11:18.12 | orflon | babilen, I might try them out. :) |
| 11:18.30 | babilen | orflon: Wonderful -- just run "invoke-rc.d gmd start" and tell me what happens |
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| 11:18.39 | babilen | orflon: gdm not gmd :) |
| 11:18.48 | orflon | yes, it did nothing. |
| 11:19.33 | babilen | orflon: http://lxde.org/ + /msg dpkg install lxde |
| 11:19.41 | CreatixEA | Hi, I've got a really simple problem : as root of a debian server I need to authorize a specific user to be able to bind it's tomcat server to 80 (I've apache that bind on ip:80 and I would like tomcat on ip2:80 but not as root neither as www-data) |
| 11:19.51 | babilen | orflon: nothing at all? what about "invoke-rc.d gdm restart" ? |
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| 11:20.42 | orflon | babilen, neither, I reboot now, because it was stuck in the black screen before. Just a sec. |
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| 11:21.09 | orflon | babilen, ok I get login through terminal |
| 11:21.29 | babilen | i'll get me a coffee while you reboot :) |
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| 11:22.10 | babilen | the m-a stuff is uninstalled, isn't it? |
| 11:22.10 | orflon | no. |
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| 11:24.23 | orflon | babilen, oh wait, gdm wasn't installed, wtf! I installed it, and I get a login screen. |
| 11:24.28 | tim_flatus | ma3x: You can do that, but I have had problems with it in the past, so I took to keeping my actual data on a separate partition, creating a minimal /home, which just holds non-critical information and making a link to my data partition. |
| 11:25.07 | babilen | orflon: surprise! |
| 11:25.17 | babilen | orflon: So all is well now? |
| 11:25.20 | orflon | babilen, I put my credentials and I get the blue background of debian and the mouse pointer. |
| 11:25.26 | orflon | still can't see my desktop. |
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| 11:25.57 | babilen | orflon: which session did you select? any errors in ~/.xsession-errors ? Does this happen with another user too ? |
| 11:26.11 | babilen | orflon: But the login manager comes up fine? |
| 11:26.17 | orflon | yes it comes fine. |
| 11:26.59 | CreatixEA | Anyone knows about the permission systm about ports on debian ? |
| 11:27.11 | CreatixEA | Looking for on google with no result than patching kernel ... |
| 11:27.23 | CreatixEA | I though that was a "common sysadmin task" |
| 11:27.37 | orflon | babilen, that's the xsession-errors of my user: http://pastebin.com/CRbrnt97 |
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| 11:27.44 | babilen | orflon: great, xorg configuration seems to work fine then (we could check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to verify that) -- this is a problem with your desktop environment configuration. Is this a completely new install? |
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| 11:28.07 | orflon | babilen, no, upgrade from lenny. |
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| 11:28.36 | saintk | Good morning. I've just upgraded one of our machines from Lenny to Squeeze, now i have this error spamming my ssh session every second, any idea what that is about? http://nopaste.info/5a2b81f3a7.html |
| 11:29.04 | babilen | orflon: Hmm, ok. Do you used compiz or something like that before? I would try another user or LXDE (or both ;) to verify that this is a problem with your personal settings |
| 11:29.17 | orflon | babilen, I used compiz yes. |
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| 11:29.43 | orflon | babilen, in order to choose lxde? What dpkg says? |
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| 11:30.40 | babilen | saintk: Is mrpink updated yet? Let him go funky on mrblonde's syslog ;) -- Sorry, no idea what this is from the top of my head. Haven't seen it (neither IRC nor reported here) |
| 11:30.47 | babilen | IRC == IRL |
| 11:31.10 | saintk | babilen: Funny enough, MrPink and MrWhite still need updating =) |
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| 11:31.35 | babilen | orflon: Ok, I strongly suspect that this is a problem with your user's configuration. (compiz in particular) -- try with another user, and yes |
| 11:31.52 | orflon | babilen, the other user has also compiz. |
| 11:32.10 | verbatim | saintk: your kernel is detecting ECC memory errors |
| 11:32.31 | saintk | verbatim: Would that suggest a broken memory module? |
| 11:32.40 | babilen | orflon: Create a new user, and yes "aptitude install lxde" to install lxde |
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| 11:33.01 | babilen | saintk: most likely |
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| 11:33.25 | babilen | saintk: And I approve your naming scheme :) |
| 11:33.31 | verbatim | saintk: Most likely -- I think "row 0" indicates which module it is on your system, but not sure how to interpret all of that. |
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| 11:33.58 | saintk | babilen: thank you =) |
| 11:34.07 | saintk | verbatim: Thanks for the info |
| 11:34.20 | saintk | I'll swap the modules around when im in the DC, see if that changes the error |
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| 11:34.30 | babilen | good idea |
| 11:34.33 | saintk | Any idea how i can stop this error from constantly nagging me in my SSH sessions? |
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| 11:34.44 | riffraff | hi everyone |
| 11:35.11 | verbatim | saintk: memtest86 might be worth a look. Not sure about making the error stop... that's something with how syslog is configured to send certain messages to the console, I think. |
| 11:35.44 | CreatixEA | For everyone to authorize other user to bind on low ports, you'll need to install authbind or privbind :) Thanks for help :) |
| 11:35.48 | saintk | okay cool, I'll do some reading up on the syslog configuration |
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| 11:36.53 | babilen | saintk: There is most likely a snippet in your syslog configuration, like this one for rsyslog: http://paste.debian.net/106753/ ( /etc/rsyslog.conf ) |
| 11:37.24 | saintk | thanks, i'll have a look |
| 11:37.51 | babilen | orflon: "adduser test" in the console â check with user "test" â Check OK! / Check FAILED! â ??? |
| 11:38.17 | orflon | babilen, just did. Same thing. |
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| 11:42.04 | babilen | orflon: damn! may i see that user's ~/.xsession-errors ? You tried to start Gnome didn't you? |
| 11:42.32 | orflon | babilen, I tried to run failsafe Gnome, and now I get a message: Could not find GNOME installation, will try running the "Failsafe xterm" session. |
| 11:42.37 | orflon | Isn't gnome installed?! |
| 11:43.08 | saintk | interestingly enough my system does not contain a rsyslog.conf |
| 11:43.22 | saintk | my other system however does |
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| 11:43.48 | orflon | babilen, these are xsession-errors: http://pastebin.com/CRbrnt97 |
| 11:43.59 | babilen | orflon: I would have asked the same thing -- Just install "lxde" and try that (much smaller download than gnome) -- You probably "autoremoved" gnome earlier |
| 11:44.17 | Shadur | Hokay, starting the process of migrating the main servers here to squeeze. |
| 11:44.23 | orflon | ok, talk to you in a few seconds. (thanks a lot already :)) |
| 11:44.58 | babilen | orflon: And could you paste "dpkg -l '*gnome*'" â dpkg -l '*gnome*' | pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net (make sure pastebinit is installed) |
| 11:47.43 | orflon | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/106755/ |
| 11:47.53 | babilen | orflon: The error you posted is 100% related to compiz -- Could you please make sure that compiz is not iterfering ... Why is it started for the "test" user as well? |
| 11:48.24 | babilen | orflon: ugh ... that does not look good |
| 11:48.50 | orflon | babilen, yeah, I remember those were autoremoved. |
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| 11:49.20 | orflon | babilen, I don't care about uninstalling compiz if that could solve an issue. |
| 11:49.34 | orflon | (lxde was installed btw) |
| 11:51.12 | babilen | orflon: Ok, you have to work on your packages. Can you start lxde? |
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| 11:52.43 | orflon | phew at least a desktop. babilen it did start yes. |
| 11:52.59 | babilen | wonderful .. Ok, what do you want now? |
| 11:53.24 | orflon | babilen, I'll keep lxde, and clean up my system. |
| 11:53.35 | orflon | there is a lot of garbage with gnome right? |
| 11:53.42 | orflon | and I have 3 more kernels in :/ |
| 11:53.43 | babilen | orflon: Ok, start with "aptitude search ~c" â paste.debian.net |
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| 11:54.48 | orflon | http://paste.debian.net/106756/ |
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| 11:56.23 | babilen | orflon: Ok, those are all the removed, but not purged packages. (Those that still have their configuration files) -- You might want to start installing those you actually want and purge the rest with "aptitude purge ~c" -- But let me have a look at "aptitude search ~o" first |
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| 11:57.19 | orflon | babilen, ok, http://paste.debian.net/106757/ |
| 11:57.42 | saintk | babilen: Any idea's, my upgraded Squeeze install doesn't contain a syslog config file, my Lenny system however does |
| 11:57.55 | petemc | very romantic |
| 11:58.03 | petemc | erm, wrongchan |
| 11:58.16 | saintk | lol |
| 11:59.13 | babilen | orflon: The latter are obsolete packages (installed, but not downloadable anymore because they are not not in squeeze) -- You might want to remove/purge them too. |
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| 11:59.51 | orflon | babilen, is there a specific command of purging them all? |
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| 12:01.02 | babilen | orflon: Well, '~c' and '~o' are aptitude search terms. You could just run (for obsolete ones): aptitude purge '~o' (if you relly want to purge them all, but i guess you do) |
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| 12:01.22 | babilen | orflon: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 12:02.54 | orflon | babilen, there is an "Other" option which has all the gnome-stuff. Should that exist there? |
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| 12:03.55 | babilen | orflon: "there" ? |
| 12:04.12 | orflon | in the start menu. |
| 12:05.17 | babilen | which start menu? lxde's? and what is "all the gnome-stuff" ? |
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| 12:07.02 | orflon | babilen, yes lxde's. Some of them are: Gnome partition editor, bash, xkill, xload... actually it seems that are all the programs in my previous installation. Most of them are there :S |
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| 12:09.12 | babilen | orflon: *shrug* -- i don't use lxde ... does it bother you? |
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| 12:11.09 | orflon | babilen, ok, not for now :) |
| 12:11.17 | orflon | babilen, thanks a lot mate! I appreciate it! |
| 12:11.23 | babilen | orflon: You might want to learn about it http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Main_Page and #lxde on this channel. I just heard good things about it and liked what (little) i've seen and their approach. Hence my recommendation. |
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| 12:11.42 | babilen | orflon: No problem. Hope you enjoy it! |
| 12:11.44 | babilen | !next |
| 12:11.44 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 12:11.46 | orflon | thanks again :) |
| 12:11.50 | orflon | lol |
| 12:12.12 | Undisclosedpower | anyone have any thoughts on why a squeeze xen vm just create using xen-create-image would die on boot with the error: |
| 12:12.16 | babilen | s/on this channel/on this network |
| 12:12.24 | Undisclosedpower | ALERT! /dev/sda2 does not exist. Dropping to a shell! |
| 12:12.28 | Undisclosedpower | oops, double paste |
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| 12:15.01 | Undisclosedpower | a maverick vm created with the same parameters, works fine :( |
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| 12:17.04 | spal | When I try the PHP mail() function, I get this error in the Apache error log: /usr/sbin/sendmail: invalid option -- 't'. Anyone knows this issue? (I am using PHP 5.3.3 on Debian Wheezy (Testing).) |
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| 12:18.51 | petemc | spal: what does readlink -f /usr/sbin/sendmail say ? |
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| 12:19.10 | spal | petemc, /usr/bin/nbsmt |
| 12:19.30 | petemc | it would appear that whatever that is doesnt support -t |
| 12:20.14 | babilen | nbsmt? what might that be? |
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| 12:20.35 | petemc | nbsmtp, at a guess |
| 12:20.57 | spal | yes, nbsmtp. That was a copy paste error. sorry. |
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| 12:23.58 | abrotman | judd: file bin/nbsmt --release squeeze |
| 12:24.01 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
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| 12:24.05 | abrotman | judd: file bin/nbsmtp --release squeeze |
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| 12:24.07 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 12:24.12 | abrotman | wtf is that? |
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| 12:24.17 | petemc | a typo |
| 12:24.28 | abrotman | i tried the corrected one! |
| 12:24.43 | petemc | so you did |
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| 12:24.51 | aguitel | squeeze live image is working with unetbootin ? |
| 12:24.53 | rdz | Congrats to everyone involved with the new squeeze release!!! |
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| 12:28.17 | manhunter | hi |
| 12:28.29 | manhunter | hello debian squeeze |
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| 12:29.36 | abrotman | hides |
| 12:29.43 | manhunter | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/iso-cd/ , is that debian squeeze ? |
| 12:29.53 | manhunter | or the debian squeeze installer ? |
| 12:29.56 | yonax | did anyone encountered X problems with sid recently? |
| 12:30.07 | manhunter | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 12:30.15 | manhunter | debian squeeze is released ,good |
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| 12:32.15 | spal | Removed nbsmtp, installed sendmail and it fixed the PHP mail() issue. Now, I do not get any error but I do not see any message arriving at my inbox as well. |
| 12:32.25 | manhunter | when would debian squeeze reach the end of it's life ? |
| 12:32.49 | spal | Also, tried something simple like: sendmail myuserid@gmail.com Typed a message and ended it with a . sendmail exited with exit code: 0 but still no mail. |
| 12:33.57 | manhunter | do not hide |
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| 12:34.02 | manhunter | when would debian squeeze reach the end of it's life ? |
| 12:34.25 | manhunter | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/iso-cd/ , is that debian squeeze ? or the debian squeeze installer ? |
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| 12:40.50 | uoods | yonax: can you pastebin "dpkg -l | grep xorg"? |
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| 12:44.52 | wrksx | hi all. |
| 12:45.05 | wrksx | is it allowed to use "+" char in a filename ? |
| 12:45.41 | frostschutz | wrksx: depends on the filesystem, usually yes |
| 12:46.10 | wrksx | ok, how can I check the filesystem ? |
| 12:47.06 | yonax | uoods: http://pastebin.com/8kgeK4iG |
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| 12:48.30 | abrotman | yonax: aptitude install xorg ? |
| 12:48.47 | uoods | yonax: what he said |
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| 12:49.50 | uoods | yonax: how did they get remove? |
| 12:49.57 | abrotman | it's sid .. things happen |
| 12:50.04 | yonax | dist-upgrade :/ |
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| 12:50.27 | yonax | ok so i run the aptitude command: Accept This solution: Y .. No packages will be installed |
| 12:51.16 | uoods | yonax: what solution? |
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| 12:52.08 | uoods | yonax: actually, pastebin dpkg -l | grep -v '^ii' |
| 12:52.24 | abrotman | yonax: and your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:52.39 | yonax | sorry I never use aptitude. O |
| 12:52.41 | yonax | okay will do. |
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| 12:55.10 | dreamer | anyone know why tsocks doesn't support dns over tcp? (using ssh -D) |
| 12:55.20 | dreamer | oh, congrats with the 6.0 release :) |
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| 12:56.12 | yonax | http://pastebin.com/PPK1mGbB and http://pastebin.com/UNCG6axq |
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| 12:57.05 | abrotman | yonax: you can comment out line #9 |
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| 12:57.21 | abrotman | yonax: so, 'apt-get update;apt-get install xorg' .. does it install anything ? |
| 12:58.02 | uoods | yonax: you probably forgot the -v in grep |
| 12:58.20 | i5noc | hrmz |
| 12:58.25 | abrotman | it's pretty clear he doesn't have Xorg installed |
| 12:58.36 | i5noc | so i've been out of touch for a while, big things happened apparently - what's with the fbsd kernels? |
| 12:58.44 | i5noc | any links for reading on the why?> |
| 12:58.45 | uoods | I'm just wondering what else is broke |
| 12:59.22 | abrotman | i5noc: because they could? :) |
| 12:59.27 | i5noc | lol |
| 12:59.33 | yonax | xorg: depends xserver-xorg but it is not going to be installed |
| 12:59.46 | i5noc | i mean was licensing a primary concern or what, thats a huge project - i'm stoked can't wait to try it out |
| 13:00.24 | yonax | uoods: i did forget -v, let me reupload it |
| 13:00.36 | uoods | yonax: that's fine |
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| 13:00.53 | abrotman | yonax: let's try `aptitude update; aptitude install xorg' |
| 13:01.07 | peroncho | hi folks |
| 13:01.09 | peroncho | tail: error reading `/etc/ld.so.conf': Is a directory |
| 13:01.09 | peroncho | dpkg: error processing libc6 (--configure): |
| 13:01.09 | dpkg | peroncho: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 13:01.12 | abrotman | yonax: actually .. let's do this the right way .. `aptitude update; aptitude full-upgrade; aptitude install xorg' |
| 13:01.14 | peroncho | what could be causing such error? |
| 13:01.24 | peroncho | box running a 2.6.26-2-686 SMP lenny |
| 13:01.26 | yonax | abrotman: with the ` and '? |
| 13:01.30 | abrotman | peroncho: it tells you why .. that is supposed to be a file .. not a directory, who broke it |
| 13:01.43 | abrotman | yonax: no, i'm just quoting it so you see the whole command |
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| 13:02.13 | i5noc | peroncho, when seeing that try doing a ls -lh on the resource. if its a directory ls -lh inside it.... |
| 13:02.34 | peroncho | let me check... |
| 13:02.41 | Skeeter- | Anyone Familiar with the Seagate Dockstar, Debian Squeeze and Samba here?? |
| 13:03.15 | i5noc | !kfreebsd |
| 13:03.15 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 were released as "technology preview" for Squeeze, ask me about <install guide>. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 13:03.17 | i5noc | ah |
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| 13:04.09 | yonax | abrotman: I don't get why apt-get or aptitude will try to reach google servers |
| 13:04.28 | abrotman | yonax: pastebin to show us what you're talking about |
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| 13:05.25 | Skeeter- | i am having an hard time configuring SAMBA, i followed this guide: http://forum.doozan.com/read.php?2,2340,2351#msg-2351 |
| 13:05.33 | yonax | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/rCxnCXkG |
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| 13:06.06 | abrotman | yonax: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ .. there's a file in there |
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| 13:06.38 | uoods | yonax: you probably have chrome or google earth installed? |
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| 13:06.51 | yonax | chrome yes |
| 13:07.04 | yonax | oh right |
| 13:07.12 | yonax | so this shouldn't cause any problems |
| 13:07.23 | i5noc | ahahaha |
| 13:07.26 | uoods | it shouldn't |
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| 13:08.03 | i5noc | ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ in the future..... |
| 13:08.04 | abrotman | did the full-upgrade work ? |
| 13:08.25 | i5noc | or cat your sources.list if you keep it all in one handy place... |
| 13:08.31 | yonax | 'no packages will be installed, upgraded or removed' |
| 13:08.54 | abrotman | yonax: and now 'aptitude install xorg' ? |
| 13:09.01 | uoods | sid is fucked atm with xorg |
| 13:09.14 | uoods | you may have to downgrade xorg* to testing |
| 13:09.29 | yonax | abrotman: I get this 'accept the solution thing' |
| 13:09.36 | yonax | and i type Y, then enter |
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| 13:10.03 | yonax | and the same message '0 packages upgraded ...' |
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| 13:11.20 | abrotman | yonax: pastebin |
| 13:11.23 | abrotman | i can't see your screen |
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| 13:11.58 | yonax | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/2aZRiTiy |
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| 13:12.30 | abrotman | yonax: hit 'n', look at the next solution |
| 13:13.10 | yonax | abrotman: it's always the same solution showing up |
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| 13:13.50 | abrotman | yonax: add a source for wheezy also |
| 13:14.05 | abrotman | (this is why people shouldn't run sid) |
| 13:14.15 | jargon- | i've been trying to find a configuration guide for openldap on squeeze. i hear there is no more slapd.conf in squeeze's openldap? so can this guide be used to properly set up openldap on squeeze? http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html |
| 13:15.03 | yonax | is that debian testing? |
| 13:15.16 | uoods | yonax: I would suggest "apt-get install xserver-xorg/testing xserver-xorg-core/testing" ; but I can't guarantee that it won't break anything else |
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| 13:15.49 | abrotman | would suggest to not use apt-get |
| 13:16.00 | uoods | :P |
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| 13:16.56 | soczol | I just upgraded to squeeze and am experimenting with LXC a bit. I noticed that 'lxc-execute' and 'lxc-attach' don't work (the latter for example gives an error: failed to open /proc/<n>/ns/pid, which indeed doesn't exist), I did find a similar bug (#595920), which mentions that applying a kernel patch might work (but no further responses there - so no idea if it did), but I was under the |
| 13:16.56 | soczol | impression that squeeze would have full support for LXC. Am I doing something unsupported? Has anyone encountered this yet? Suggestions are welcome. |
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| 13:17.08 | fureddo | Hi! To upgrade from lenny to squeeze, is it better to use aptitude or apt-get? |
| 13:17.38 | themill | fureddo: apt-get for that |
| 13:17.42 | fureddo | ok |
| 13:18.11 | freenick | hi, and thx for the release. Just one question about armel. Is it that badly seeded on bt? Or are the trackers not working right? |
| 13:18.13 | themill | fureddo: normally aptitude does a much better job, but with all the package renames etc on lenny->squeeze, aptitude gets too clever for its own good. |
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| 13:18.46 | fureddo | themill, I see. Interesting. |
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| 13:19.46 | bfrog | nice new site! |
| 13:20.00 | Joelio | Hi, I'm trying to disable IPv6 in squeeze. I've added GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="disable_ipv6=1" to /etc/default/grub.cfg and ran update-grub, rebooted but to no avail.. tcp6 0 0 :::22 :::* LISTEN 1296/sshd |
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| 13:20.22 | ham5 | http://pastebin.com/CGgzzzXd |
| 13:20.31 | Joelio | It's causing issues as I'm getting AAAA records for debian sources |
| 13:20.45 | Joelio | .. whcih I don't have transport for |
| 13:21.00 | ham5 | troubles building transmission lately, have to do an extra step, has to be debian, im just not sure what changed, and what to change back to fix |
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| 13:21.44 | yonax | uoods: alright thaty got my xorg back |
| 13:21.48 | jstarek_ | Hi everyone, I found a problem with a torrent file on cdimage.debian.org. Since that is not a problem with a package, I don't think the bugtracker is a good place to report it -- where should I look? |
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| 13:21.57 | jmm | hello. |
| 13:21.58 | yonax | thanks abrotman and uoods :) |
| 13:21.59 | jstarek_ | @freenick: Seems to be badly seeded |
| 13:22.11 | uoods | yonax: sweet! |
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| 13:22.44 | i5noc | jstarek, wait |
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| 13:22.53 | i5noc | so your looking to report a torrent that's not well seeded? |
| 13:22.55 | i5noc | really? |
| 13:23.00 | i5noc | I mean... really? |
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| 13:23.07 | i5noc | is there at least one seed? |
| 13:23.10 | freenick | jstarek: okie, then i seed a bit from university :) |
| 13:23.14 | freenick | i5noc: nope there werent |
| 13:23.21 | i5noc | sighs |
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| 13:24.01 | freenick | now one is back :) are there more platforms that need seeds? i could set up a box here to help |
| 13:24.07 | jstarek | @i5noc: no, *i* found an official Debian-provided torrent that reports "requested download is not authorized for use with this [debian's] tracker]. The other comment referred to freenick's question, above, and is unrelated. |
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| 13:24.23 | i5noc | now that needs reporting, agreed |
| 13:24.25 | ma3x | since the release of squeeze all mirrors are are freakin slow |
| 13:24.25 | frikinz | Joelio: I've used ipv6.disable=1 on the kernel line |
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| 13:24.41 | i5noc | sorry i just have seen so many stupid issues over the years i was about to screencap this :)P |
| 13:24.49 | jstarek | np :-) |
| 13:24.50 | aguitel | what is the roor password in debian live cd ? |
| 13:25.03 | i5noc | 'bug 236856 - only 600 seeds on torrent' |
| 13:25.04 | i5noc | :P |
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| 13:25.21 | i5noc | aguitel, try sudo -i |
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| 13:25.37 | aguitel | i5noc, and then? |
| 13:25.39 | themill | jstarek, i5noc: "cdimage.debian.org" is the appropriate pseudo package for cd issues. Both to browse (bugs.debian.org/cdimage.debian.org) and also to "reportbug cdimage.debian.org". |
| 13:25.56 | freenick | i5noc: yeah, but getting no peers on armel architecture with rtorrent for half an hour was kinda ... strange :) |
| 13:26.12 | jstarek | @themill: I'll report against that, thanks! |
| 13:26.54 | i5noc | lol @ freenick; themill cd issues sure, torrent seeding.. mehbbie not, torrent not auth'd by tracker sure; aguitel hopefully it shoots u right to root, not gone live in a while |
| 13:27.07 | i5noc | which reminds me |
| 13:27.10 | freenick | nah, i wouldnt bugreport that :) just wondering |
| 13:27.21 | i5noc | dht should make the tracker irrelevant |
| 13:27.40 | i5noc | and rtorrent should have that, but of course it would have had to have been seeded out already somewhere.. |
| 13:27.47 | jmm | I got a small problem after upgrading to squeeze. name resolution fail in some case( when using resolv from glibc's or something ), I use 2 dns, one for local domains resolution, and another one for internet domains name.here are /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/nsswitch.conf http://pastebin.com/bdZGuEhG |
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| 13:30.09 | DotHack | i´ve now updated a VM to squeeze but i feel its slower when using apache icm modperl |
| 13:30.31 | DotHack | the weird thing is when i wget the page through localhost its very fast |
| 13:30.42 | Flashtek | hmm... my install on a VM keeps stalling at downloading package 18.. |
| 13:30.50 | Flashtek | anyone know how to find what package that might be ? |
| 13:30.57 | Skeeter- | SUp Flashtek |
| 13:31.00 | i5noc | ctl+alt+f4 ? |
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| 13:31.20 | i5noc | doesnt the f4 screen show what its doing and f1 the normal interface? |
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| 13:32.03 | Flashtek | it suggests 'discover' |
| 13:35.30 | Flashtek | aha.. through chroot and ps|grep goodness it looks like virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 |
| 13:35.34 | Flashtek | even though I don't want x11.. |
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| 13:36.36 | bafman | hello, just upgraded to debian 6.0 and there is one weird thing. Issuing reboot seems bypass grub. |
| 13:36.56 | hsa2 | to install debian, should i download all cds or dvds? |
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| 13:37.49 | jmm | no hsa2 , just 1 is prolly enough, unless you doesn't have internet on the computer you install to. |
| 13:38.27 | hsa2 | jmm, and what is the difference between cd and dvd? |
| 13:38.46 | Flashtek | hsa2: one has larger capacity |
| 13:38.51 | jmm | dvd have more stuff on it I guess. but I didn't tried it. |
| 13:38.53 | hsa2 | :P |
| 13:38.54 | DotHack | wget localhost goes very fast, wget ip adres is slow what can be the problem ?? |
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| 13:39.04 | hsa2 | Flashtek, i know it but what are content differences |
| 13:39.08 | DotHack | doing wget on the server where apache is running |
| 13:39.18 | Flashtek | hsa2: the DVDs are more designed for offline installs |
| 13:39.32 | bafman | quit |
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| 13:39.39 | Flashtek | DotHack: hostname works fast, ip works slow ? |
| 13:39.52 | jmm | DotHack: depend if ip address is a public one or something, if it's not bind directly to your computer, the request isn't local. |
| 13:40.14 | Flashtek | could it also be that the apache service is trying to do a reverse lookup..? |
| 13:40.38 | jmm | right. |
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| 13:41.08 | Flashtek | mind you.. that doesn't add up.. |
| 13:41.16 | Flashtek | i've not had caffeine yet.. |
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| 13:42.26 | DotHack | Flashtek: how can i disable this |
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| 13:42.48 | Flashtek | DotHack: in the apache log config section |
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| 13:44.07 | Flashtek | brb.. food needed.. |
| 13:44.12 | Flashtek | and cafeine |
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| 13:44.32 | BiG_NoBoDy | !squeeze pool |
| 13:44.32 | dpkg | The pool about when <Squeeze> would release was won by hid3 with 2011-02-05. stew was the most off-track. Ask me about <squeeze pool 1> and <squeeze pool 2> to see the bets placed. See also <wheezy pool>. |
| 13:44.49 | BiG_NoBoDy | !wheezy pool |
| 13:44.49 | dpkg | See <wheezy pool 1> for bets placed on when Wheezy will release. To add one, ask me about <wheezy bet>. |
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| 13:45.20 | orflon | do you also have high cpu statistics for xulrunner-stub? On average it is 50% (2 flash sites open), and it can hit 90%. |
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| 13:46.42 | Flashtek | yay, they added ssh server as an instal option :-) |
| 13:46.53 | DotHack | weird hostnamelookups is off and its still placing hostnames in the logs |
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| 13:47.34 | Flashtek | DotHack: ensure that's across any vhosts too |
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| 13:51.04 | ws2k3 | hello guys i have a question i have a linux machine with a samba server |
| 13:51.19 | ws2k3 | is it possible to reset all the ntfs premissions on all the files and folders~ |
| 13:51.41 | Flashtek | ntfs ? |
| 13:51.43 | DotHack | Flashtek: its off and still doing lookups is this a bug/ |
| 13:51.55 | Flashtek | DotHack: maybe.. |
| 13:51.58 | dreamer | anyone here experience with tsocks? |
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| 13:52.10 | Flashtek | DotHack: did you stop and restart the service ? |
| 13:52.21 | ws2k3 | yeah ntfs premissions |
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| 13:52.26 | MikeH | Hrm, is it possible to determine more details of RAM under Linux? Ie. whether it is registered, timings etc? |
| 13:52.28 | ws2k3 | or what filesystem have samba |
| 13:52.44 | Flashtek | ws2k3: generally ext? |
| 13:52.52 | Flashtek | ws2k3: and chmod would work |
| 13:53.02 | DotHack | Flashtek: off course |
| 13:53.07 | ws2k3 | for removing all the ntfs premissions |
| 13:53.13 | ws2k3 | mikeh cat proc meminfo |
| 13:53.26 | ws2k3 | so ur saying that i can remove all the ntfs premissions with chmod |
| 13:53.59 | MikeH | ws2k3, /proc/meminfo doesn't give me this information |
| 13:54.37 | ws2k3 | aah sorry i misunderstuud ur question |
| 13:54.40 | arand | poppler has not been updated in debian for a long while it seems, is there any particular way one would ask nicely for it? There is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=611874 but is there more? |
| 13:54.57 | frikinz | MikeH: dmidecode ? |
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| 13:55.37 | dachary | Hi, is there a way to list all sources packages found a given apt source ? |
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| 13:56.13 | MikeH | frikinz, Thanks |
| 13:56.20 | MikeH | that seems to provide me with similar info to lshw |
| 13:56.30 | MikeH | Not sure if it'd mention whether the ram was registered or not |
| 13:56.44 | themill | dachary: awk '/^Package/{print $2}' /var/lib/apt/lists/cdn.debian.net_debian_dists_sid_main_source_Sources |
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| 13:57.19 | mrtnt | Is there a possibility to check, when the HDD first booted up? Or at least total runtime since manufacturing? I mean is this sort of data kept in S.M.A.R.T and is hadparm/smartctl abel to read this? |
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| 13:57.59 | phogg | mrtnt: smart should have that data |
| 14:00.53 | mrtnt | phogg: I tried with "hdparm -I /dev/hdb", but I couldn't verify such information.. |
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| 14:03.53 | dachary | themill: thanks ! |
| 14:03.57 | pocket_ | Hello |
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| 14:04.12 | pocket_ | I updated from lenny to squeeze. |
| 14:04.14 | AlexC_ | g'morning |
| 14:04.37 | AlexC_ | is it possible to build packages on Squeeze for both Squeeze and Lenny? |
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| 14:04.47 | pocket_ | When I reboot my machine, Then I got gnu grub 0.97's prompt... |
| 14:04.56 | pocket_ | How can I boot my system? |
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| 14:10.05 | macrobat | pocket_: try "find /boot/grub/stage1" then "root (hd0,1)" |
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| 14:10.40 | macrobat | i mean, root (hdbla,bla) whatever the first command gives |
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| 14:10.52 | macrobat | then "boot" |
| 14:11.32 | Wilson44 | i got a question about sandy bridge |
| 14:11.42 | Wilson44 | i use a sata raid controler, am i affected too? |
| 14:12.22 | macrobat | pocket_: if that doesn't work, try to restore grub from the debian install cd or a live cd, like grml.org |
| 14:12.42 | pocket_ | Thanks |
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| 14:13.30 | pocket_ | How can I specific kernel? |
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| 14:15.24 | macrobat | kernel /path/to/vmlinuzblabla |
| 14:15.25 | DotHack | i see a 3 second pause between the PTR lookup an A looup in tcpdump when requesting the site |
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| 14:15.40 | macrobat | then the same for initrd |
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| 14:20.31 | katsrc | has the key for http://unofficial.debian-maintainers.org/ expired? |
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| 14:24.21 | abrotman | katsrc: if it was only signed for a year, then yes |
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| 14:24.40 | Flashtek | Is there some way I can check that a given file is on a given mirror ? |
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| 14:25.17 | aguitel | how install nvidia drivers in last debian stable release ? |
| 14:25.21 | abrotman | Flashtek: wget ? |
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| 14:25.46 | abrotman | katsrc: you could also go to their IRC channel and ask |
| 14:26.14 | dachary | Hi, I have a few control files and I would like to build Makefile like lines showing their dependencies. For instance foo depends on bar and bar depends on frob would give me foo: bar and bar: frob. Is there something that does this or that could help me write a script that does the same ? |
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| 14:26.48 | alkisg_debian | Hi, I had installed testing so now it became squeeze. To make it again testing, all I need to do is modify my sources.list? |
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| 14:27.00 | themill | dpkg: tell alkisg_debian about squeeze->wheezy |
| 14:27.16 | alkisg_debian | thank you themill |
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| 14:27.46 | alkisg_debian | themill: ah, that was just a notice for noobs. :D |
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| 14:28.13 | themill | "if you have to ask you shouldn't" sounds perfectly valid right now |
| 14:28.33 | alkisg_debian | themill: well... ok, thank you for your help |
| 14:28.36 | alkisg_debian | Invoking w3m... :-/ |
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| 14:28.51 | ashak | is here the right place to ask about netbooting debian kfreebsd? |
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| 14:33.10 | ashak | I can't find any doco about it anywhere, so wondered if someone could point me in the right direction |
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| 14:43.12 | mguy | I have a fresh install of Debian 6, I can't install anything with apt! http://debian.pastebin.com/G6UQVfUw |
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| 14:44.06 | dvs | mguy: the package is not called "gcc" |
| 14:44.15 | mguy | Here is my sources.list, if I un-comment out the volatile lines apt crashes http://debian.pastebin.com/rD7cfXZa |
| 14:44.17 | xk | you dont have any other sources than security? |
| 14:44.20 | mguy | dvs: I can't install anything |
| 14:45.02 | dvs | mguy: you only have security as a source. |
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| 14:45.18 | mguy | Right, read the part where volatile is commented out |
| 14:45.24 | mguy | http://debian.pastebin.com/yMrQbTNp |
| 14:45.28 | mguy | That's what happens if I uncomment |
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| 14:45.39 | xk | volatile != main repo |
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| 14:46.05 | mguy | What should the main repo be? |
| 14:46.25 | xk | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 14:46.33 | dvs | if in the US |
| 14:46.36 | xk | yeah |
| 14:46.49 | mguy | I have never understood why they don't just put that in there when it installs |
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| 14:46.50 | ma3x | hi |
| 14:47.03 | justin | mguy: it does, not sure how you managed to break it like that |
| 14:47.09 | dvs | mguy: you must have installed from CD |
| 14:47.22 | mguy | dvs: Right, you can see it's in the first line |
| 14:47.30 | justin | even when you install from CD it usually gives you the option to add network based sources |
| 14:47.31 | ma3x | are there any instructions on how to write debian hdd image to a usb hdd large? (80 GB) All procedures fail because the hard drive is too large |
| 14:47.43 | dvs | mguy: a netinstall would have sourced from the Internet |
| 14:47.45 | mguy | justin: very slow connection so I told it not to |
| 14:47.50 | xk | ma3x: how much used space? |
| 14:47.51 | mguy | They should still have it in there |
| 14:47.55 | justin | mguy: lol |
| 14:48.05 | mguy | I should be all set now |
| 14:48.11 | justin | mguy: so you told it not to do the thing you wanted it to do, and now are wondering why it didn't do the thing you told it not to do? |
| 14:48.21 | macrobat | mguy: everyone should use the same mirror? |
| 14:48.32 | mguy | justin: it should still put it in there and maybe comment it out so that you can use it later isntead of having ot ask or look it up |
| 14:48.45 | mguy | Not to mention the new installer doesn't like my computer |
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| 14:49.12 | xk | "doesnt like"? |
| 14:49.19 | ma3x | xk: what do you mean? i have empty usb hdd of 80 gb. i wanna write the hdd image to it and boot form it |
| 14:49.29 | DimmuR | i found on my hdd files like: ?????????? ? ? ? ? ? dc8f.cache |
| 14:49.29 | DimmuR | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:49.32 | xk | ma3x: the source harddrive... how much space is used? |
| 14:49.58 | mguy | xk: Basically crashes it, i had to pass vga=normal for it to run. That or increase video memory in biso |
| 14:50.01 | xk | ma3x: you do know you can't write a bigger drive to a smaller drive :) |
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| 14:50.16 | SPF | DimmuR: if it's the only file ending with .cache, rm *cache |
| 14:50.23 | stew | ma3x: you are trying to boot a debian installer? |
| 14:50.38 | xk | an 80gb debian installer? |
| 14:50.45 | DimmuR | SPF, that kind of stuff doesn't work i get 'no file found' |
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| 14:50.57 | stew | xk: no, a smaller installer booted from an 80 gb disk |
| 14:51.15 | stew | (is my interpretation) |
| 14:51.37 | SPF | DimmuR: did you do a filesystem check? |
| 14:51.38 | ma3x | i have downloaded the image (1.1 GB) and i wanna write it to usb hdd of 80 GB and install from there |
| 14:51.47 | xk | mguy: I noticed why it was crashing. |
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| 14:51.52 | stew | ma3x: what image did you download? |
| 14:51.55 | xk | mguy: you have no protocol set for your volatile lines!!! |
| 14:52.01 | xk | #deb ://volatile.debian.org squeeze-updates main |
| 14:52.03 | DimmuR | SPF, yesterday fsck after boot did check - found nothing wrong |
| 14:52.29 | mguy | xk: the installer commented them out, look at the comments! |
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| 14:52.37 | xk | mguy: no. see :// |
| 14:52.41 | xk | you have no http!!! |
| 14:52.46 | SPF | DimmuR: what is the output of echo $LANG? |
| 14:52.59 | DimmuR | pl_PL.UTF-8 |
| 14:53.01 | mguy | xk: I see |
| 14:53.06 | mguy | xk: What is volatile again? |
| 14:53.11 | DimmuR | file was created by some wine application |
| 14:53.11 | ma3x | stew: debian-live-6.0.0-i386-gnome-desktop.img |
| 14:53.14 | stew | that url won't work for squeeze anyway. volatile is renamed "squeeze-updates" in squeeze and is on the main mirrors, not on volatile.debian.org |
| 14:53.21 | xk | repo with frequent changing data/packages. |
| 14:53.41 | mguy | xk: gets a 404 not found when trying to apt-get update after fixing those lines, shoudl they be ftp? |
| 14:53.52 | xk | read what stew said |
| 14:53.52 | DimmuR | ok i will try xfs_repair |
| 14:54.05 | mguy | Ahh |
| 14:54.06 | stew | ma3x: that's a live image not an installer, you realize? |
| 14:54.32 | Flashtek | damn |
| 14:54.35 | stew | mguy: its typically used for things like spamassassin or clamav which benefit from frequent updates in stable |
| 14:54.46 | Flashtek | how long should it take for the mirrors to sync up ?? |
| 14:54.58 | stew | Flashtek: somewhere between 15 minutes and 2 days |
| 14:55.20 | Flashtek | stew: thanks |
| 14:55.20 | soczol | is there anyone here with LXC (Linux Containers) and a working 'lxc-attach', I really can't mine to work, it complains about /proc/<n>/ns being missing, even tho 'lcx-checkconfig' says namespaces are enabled |
| 14:55.27 | Flashtek | ftp.uk.debian.org is not sync'ed yet |
| 14:55.38 | soczol | err.. that is lxc-checkconfig |
| 14:56.02 | ma3x | stew from this quote i understand that you can use it and then install from it. "Also offered as a new alternative to the standard images are live images which you can use to try Debian first and then install the contents of the image." |
| 14:56.07 | stew | Flashtek: ftp.uk.debian.org was the very first mirror synced after the release. it was synced by hand before the real mirror push |
| 14:56.51 | stew | ma3x: ok. "cp debian-live-6.0.0-i386-gnome-desktop.img /dev/whatever" where /dev/whatever is the device for your harddrive. but note that data on the hard drive will be LOST |
| 14:57.25 | mguy | stew: wouldn't you normally use dd? |
| 14:57.31 | stew | ma3x: if you intend on installing to that hard drive, you'll have to do more complicated stuff to partition to leave room for an install |
| 14:57.37 | stew | mguy: i'd certainly not |
| 14:57.47 | stew | mguy: many would, but not for any good reason |
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| 14:59.00 | ma3x | stew should i copy it to the usb hdd that im trying to boot from, or to the internal hdd that i want to install to |
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| 14:59.24 | stew | ma3x: boot from, knowing it will trash any data that is on that drive |
| 14:59.28 | ma3x | and should i make it bootable with syslinux |
| 14:59.50 | stew | ma3x: no, its already bootable |
| 15:02.41 | ma3x | hm, ok i'll try now |
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| 15:02.42 | WormFood | does debian have any packages, that are web based, to administer an email server (on a domain level), such as adding new mail boxes, and changing password and the like. |
| 15:02.42 | ma3x | should the drive be fat32 formatted? |
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| 15:02.43 | stew | ma3x: it doesn't matter what is on the drive you are replacing the contents with this image |
| 15:02.43 | stew | ma3x: which is why you must be careful to get the right drive |
| 15:02.49 | justin | I don't see this working out very well for ma3x |
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| 15:03.05 | txxt | should be any reason to stay away from dash when upgrading my debian, and stay with bash ? |
| 15:03.25 | ma3x | it should work out why not |
| 15:03.28 | ma3x | i'll try it now |
| 15:03.37 | dreamer | hmm, I just registered to Alioth. I clicked the verification-link, but when I try to login I get 'Could Not Get User' |
| 15:03.47 | WormFood | txxt, not unless you have specific scripts that have problems with dash...which you probably don't |
| 15:03.55 | stew | txxt: if you use broken scripts from third parties that assume /bin/sh is bash, the scripts in debian should all work |
| 15:04.12 | ma3x | i just noticed there are 2 different images : debian-live-6.0.0-i386-gnome-desktop.iso and debian-live-6.0.0-i386-gnome-desktop.img |
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| 15:04.31 | ma3x | i guess i made the mistake downloading the second one but i'll try with it now |
| 15:04.37 | stew | dreamer: try #alioth on irc.debian.org |
| 15:04.39 | justin | ma3x: and neither one is the installer image |
| 15:04.40 | yakamo | is it possible to install emdebian on to a normal laptop |
| 15:04.44 | dreamer | stew: ok |
| 15:04.54 | txxt | thanks stew and WormFood . but there is no less features in dash ? compared with bash ? |
| 15:04.59 | stew | yakamo: ask #emdebian on irc.debian.org |
| 15:05.10 | DotHack | i see a 3 second wait between an ack and the next seq how can i figure this out? |
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| 15:05.20 | stew | txxt: there are far fewer features in dash, which is the entire point, because of this, its much faster to start up |
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| 15:06.11 | txxt | stew: i think i would stay with bash then. i don t think bash i slow |
| 15:06.12 | jk | justin: they include the installer as well |
| 15:07.41 | Bushmills | txxt: most users have bash as interactive shell, and run dash for scripts, while they're free to run any script under bash, for a cost of two extra letters |
| 15:07.42 | WormFood | but the point is, dash aims for POSIX compliance....only scripts that use the extra features of bash, and don't explicitly call bash, will have problems....google for "dash vs bash" |
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| 15:08.06 | Bushmills | txxt: no reason to not have and use both |
| 15:08.22 | txxt | sure ;) Bushmills . but this is about system upgrade. |
| 15:08.24 | WormFood | txxt, the ONLY scripts you will have problems with are BROKEN scrips...which are trivial to "fix" |
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| 15:08.42 | txxt | WormFood: yes, it makes sense |
| 15:08.42 | Bushmills | why would that make any difference? |
| 15:08.56 | WormFood | like Bushmills said...there is no reason not to run it, as you can use either/both |
| 15:09.04 | txxt | correct ;) |
| 15:09.08 | txxt | thanks once more |
| 15:09.20 | Flashtek | stew: I can't pull files from there.. |
| 15:09.35 | Flashtek | also the mirror status page suggests its out of date.. |
| 15:09.42 | Flashtek | http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
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| 15:12.29 | sylar | anyone knows a graph plotting software that can plot an equation? (with x, and y not separated) |
| 15:12.50 | Flashtek | sylar: will gnuplot ? |
| 15:13.02 | Flashtek | I'm simply guessing here. |
| 15:13.04 | sylar | idk, will try |
| 15:13.18 | WormFood | I'd expect gnuplot to do it |
| 15:13.29 | Joelio | frikinz: That's what I've done and it's still listening on v6 |
| 15:13.36 | Joelio | root@sysadmin02:~# cat /proc/cmdline |
| 15:13.36 | Joelio | BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 root=/dev/mapper/zenbuild-_root ro disable_ipv6=1 quiet |
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| 15:14.16 | rigved | hi everyone...can someone tell me where I can find the md5 hash of debian 6.0 x64 netinst iso? |
| 15:14.31 | Joelio | frikinz: Ahh, you've got something different, will try that |
| 15:14.53 | Flashtek | rigved: from the same place you downloaded the ISO ? |
| 15:15.04 | WormFood | rigved, you're better off to use the unofficial CD, which has firmware files, unless your NIC does not need them |
| 15:15.20 | dvs | rigved: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 15:15.31 | sylar | how do you operate this gnuplot |
| 15:15.54 | WormFood | sylar, rtfm? |
| 15:16.18 | sylar | frtfm |
| 15:16.21 | WormFood | to start with anyways....you can probably find some tutorials with google |
| 15:16.21 | justin | gnuplot is not really for plotting equations |
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| 15:16.47 | justin | try apt-cache search plot equation |
| 15:17.24 | Flashtek | justin: apt-cache !!?? |
| 15:17.31 | WormFood | "gnuplot is a command-line program that can generate two- and three-dimensional plots of functions, data, and data fits." |
| 15:17.43 | rigved | Flashtek: i downloaded from a link on the home page of debian squeeze |
| 15:17.53 | WormFood | so, at the very least, you need to know how to use the command line ;) |
| 15:17.58 | Flashtek | rigved: look at dvs ^ |
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| 15:18.13 | dvs | hides |
| 15:18.26 | rigved | WormFood: those are too big...thanks for the suggestion |
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| 15:18.32 | justin | shrugs |
| 15:18.33 | rigved | dvs: thanks! :) |
| 15:18.38 | dvs | np |
| 15:18.44 | justin | sylar: try plot 10-x*x |
| 15:19.12 | sylar | justin, that did nothing |
| 15:19.20 | sylar | I tried euler |
| 15:19.31 | sylar | got: (euler:7240): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_char_width: assertion `font != NULL' failed |
| 15:19.31 | sylar | Segmentation fault |
| 15:19.37 | WormFood | too big? the addition of firmware files makes the image too big? if the difference in size is that much of a problem for you, then I suspect you have bigger problems |
| 15:19.40 | justin | sylar: in gnuplot |
| 15:19.46 | justin | it surely doesn't do 'nothing' |
| 15:20.08 | sylar | justin I did do it in gnuplot |
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| 15:21.07 | rigved | WormFood: no, i mean that there are 52 cd images i don't have time right now to search the database for which cd images to download for the packages that i want |
| 15:21.12 | phaedral | looking for torrent for DebianEeePC... |
| 15:21.22 | sylar | justin, I am doing things off of the tutorial, and nothing comes out |
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| 15:22.14 | justin | what happens if you do a 'print 5*4' |
| 15:22.27 | phaedral | currently have download in progress of eeepc-live-1.1~rc1-hybrid.iso but wondering if that is now outdated due to squeeze being released |
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| 15:22.31 | WormFood | rigved, the cd image I'm talking about is clearly labeled, and just includes the extra firmware images that debian removed....of course, it is just a suggestion, but will save you the hassle of putting your firmware on a usb stick IF your NIC needs the firmware files |
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| 15:23.15 | WormFood | rigved, I don't know what you've found, but clearly a netinstall wouldn't have 52 CDs :P |
| 15:23.30 | rigved | WormFood: hmmm...i remember having to do that with 5.0.6...ok. thanks for the suggestion...will do it :) |
| 15:23.43 | WormFood | chuckles at the idea of a 52 CD net install |
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| 15:24.16 | Flashtek | WormFood: 52 floppies maybe ;-) |
| 15:24.17 | _val_ | Hello everyone. I've created CA certificates for the apache webserver. When starting apache webserver I get the following error. OK: Pass Phrase Dialog successful. failed! |
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| 15:24.37 | WormFood | Flashtek, I've done some pretty impressive things with just a single floppy |
| 15:24.46 | Flashtek | WormFood: i'll bet.. |
| 15:24.52 | Flashtek | WormFood: i have 2 kids too.. |
| 15:24.57 | rigved | WormFood: no there are 52 cd images in the link - http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/, i thought you were referring to these |
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| 15:25.06 | _val_ | after it says sucessful it then says "Failed!" any idea? |
| 15:25.12 | WormFood | now one thing I never understood, is when people make a bootable CD, and they emulate the floppy disk...why don't they emulate a 2.88 meg floppy when they need the extra space? |
| 15:25.20 | Flashtek | _val_: passworded keyfile ? |
| 15:25.39 | _val_ | Flashtek: yes I entered a passphrase when creating the certificates |
| 15:25.50 | WormFood | rigved, no, there is an unofficial netinstall, that is just like the official netinstall, it just has all the firmware files on it. |
| 15:25.53 | Flashtek | _val_: and the keyfile ? |
| 15:26.11 | _val_ | Flashtek: it's companyname.com |
| 15:26.17 | rigved | WormFood: ok. i'll look into it. thanks again. :) |
| 15:26.17 | _val_ | err. companyname.key |
| 15:26.21 | WormFood | and if you have the official net install, and don't want to download a new one, then you can just put your firmware on a usb stick |
| 15:26.32 | Flashtek | _val_: password on the keyfile ? |
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| 15:26.38 | WormFood | yes Flashtek |
| 15:26.40 | jmm | hi. |
| 15:26.42 | _val_ | Flashtek: no there is no password. |
| 15:26.49 | geekbri | does squeeze have any sort of official AMI for ec2? |
| 15:27.17 | Joelio | frikinz: sed -i 's|GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""|GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="ipv6.disable=1"|' /etc/default/grub && update-grub2 |
| 15:27.22 | Joelio | worked flawlessly, cheers |
| 15:27.38 | WormFood | goes back to work |
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| 15:27.58 | sylar | now it opens a window |
| 15:28.29 | _val_ | Flashtek: in the apache2.conf I've ErrorLog set to /var/log/ssl_engine_log and in the log I see this. [Mon Feb 07 16:23:24 2011] [warn] RSA server certificate is a CA certificate (BasicConstraints: CA == TRUE !? |
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| 15:29.10 | stew | Flashtek: i just checked the md5sum of the Release file for squeeze and it is 496623d484d6c7ed0058217c0faa7ddf which matches ftp-master from the last run |
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| 15:29.44 | frikinz | 52 cds oh my good :) and this is compressed.. |
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| 15:30.35 | twinkie_addict | the netinst is thway to go lol |
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| 15:31.07 | rigved | WormFood: no. last time my (very old) laptop did not detect my usb during the install. i had to install the firmware after the install was over. i think i'll download the unofficial netinst. :) |
| 15:31.07 | dvs | 2 Blu-ray disks?!? |
| 15:31.14 | dvs | that's big |
| 15:31.24 | companion_cube | hi, is there a way to prevent dpkg/aptitude to restart a service after an upgrade ? |
| 15:31.37 | xindz | amd64 or i386 to a Intel i3 Mobile? |
| 15:31.50 | dvs | xindz: yes |
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| 15:35.47 | _val_ | Flashtek: http://pastebin.com/bfWmzgqX |
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| 15:36.19 | jgalt | after apt-get upgrade my atheros wifi no longer associates with my access point. AP is clearly listed in iwlist and Wlan0 interface shows up in iwconfig and ifconfig. How can I get it to associate? (presently limited to this damn splashtop and web irc) |
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| 15:37.35 | twinkie_addict | try wicd |
| 15:37.57 | abrotman | jgalt: using which driver? |
| 15:38.06 | twinkie_addict | ath9k |
| 15:38.14 | twinkie_addict | 9k |
| 15:38.18 | twinkie_addict | sorry |
| 15:38.25 | jgalt | ath9k yes |
| 15:38.47 | syn4pse | hello, trying to setup postfix here but when i want to send a mail using mailsend it always comes up with: lost connection with mx0.gmx.net[213.165.64.100] while receiving the initial server greeting, any ideas? |
| 15:38.54 | jhutchins_lt | wicd couldn't even see my atheros. |
| 15:39.02 | twinkie_addict | if your card is to old for that than ath5k |
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| 15:39.06 | companion_cube | daemonkeeper, you mean by disabling the service ? |
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| 15:39.31 | Bartzy|work | Hi |
| 15:39.37 | twinkie_addict | hi |
| 15:39.47 | Bartzy|work | Why should I use LVM when I only have 1 distro ? |
| 15:40.03 | petemc | to easily resize partitions |
| 15:40.14 | Bartzy|work | I mean, if I just use the whole disk space for my partition, what's the difference between that and a LVM (If I would never want to decrease the size of my partition) |
| 15:40.20 | syn4pse | <Bartzy|work> you can dynamically change partition sizes later on |
| 15:40.26 | syn4pse | maybe you need to inc your swap or something ;) |
| 15:40.29 | sahko | because you might want flexility and many other possible reasons |
| 15:40.49 | sahko | what are the debian standard isos? eg debian-live-6.0.0-i386-standard.iso ? |
| 15:41.03 | jhutchins_lt | LVM offers an additional point of failure for a more interesting experience. |
| 15:41.32 | pipeline | Bartzy|work: Always use LVM. |
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| 15:41.36 | dvs | sahko: looks like no GUI |
| 15:41.48 | pipeline | Bartzy|work: you may never need any LVM features, in which case LVM cost you nothing |
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| 15:42.04 | pipeline | Bartzy|work: if you DO come to need LVM, you're gonna cry when you realize yo udo not have it :P |
| 15:42.17 | daemonkeeper | companion_cube: No, in Debian you can tell invoke-rc.d (this is, which starts scripts in policy compliant Debian packages) to follow a policy script which can deny to start a service. |
| 15:42.26 | sahko | dvs: yeah i looked at the package list, is it capable of doing network installations? |
| 15:42.38 | sharp15 | anyone downloading the netinstall iso over bittorrent? i'm trying to determine if something is broken on my end. |
| 15:42.59 | justin | sharp15: broken how? |
| 15:43.01 | jhutchins_lt | Nobody needs LVM. |
| 15:43.03 | pipeline | Bartzy|work: live mirroring, live disk migration, JBOD spanning (again live), snapshotting, tons of good stuff. |
| 15:43.10 | twinkie_addict | no i got it through ftp |
| 15:43.10 | jhutchins_lt | gparted resizes just fine without it. |
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| 15:43.22 | justin | the trackers seem a bit slow, but once you get matched up with peers things are working well |
| 15:43.28 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: gparted will not span disks for you... nor will it handle disk migration. |
| 15:43.29 | companion_cube | daemonkeeper, my actual problem is that during an upgrade, mpd tries to restart, but the socket is already taken (thus restart fails), and mpd is tagged as partially configured... |
| 15:43.41 | jhutchins_lt | pipeline: Spanning disks is stupid. |
| 15:44.02 | pipeline | Bartzy|work: if you never ever ever use any of those features, LVM cost you nothing -- it's essentially zero overhead. |
| 15:44.03 | justin | companion_cube: delete the socket ? |
| 15:44.13 | sharp15 | justin: deluge just says downloading and isn't moving. i assumed i had broken something. |
| 15:44.17 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: it sure is stupid. And sometimes unavoidable. |
| 15:44.29 | daemonkeeper | companion_cube: As quick workaround stop the program obtaining the socket |
| 15:44.33 | justin | sharp15: does deluge have a button to get new peers? |
| 15:44.37 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: another thing LVM helps you out with -- when you did something stupid with disk spanning to solve an immediate problem, you can then use LVM to fix your problem :) |
| 15:44.39 | jhutchins_lt | pipeline: There's always overhead, and it's an additional point of failure, and we DO see people who have failures and problems with it here. |
| 15:44.46 | companion_cube | yeah, but it's annoying not to have a clean solution :/ |
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| 15:45.09 | justin | my client says seeding to 2 of 2 peers on the 32bit netinstall but it's not uploading to anyone |
| 15:45.11 | daemonkeeper | companion_cube: The clean solution is to create a a policy-rc.d file which prevents scripts to be started by packages. |
| 15:45.14 | companion_cube | this behavior of restarting services on updates can be really annoying |
| 15:45.20 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: there is certainly not overhead. The additional level of indirection is too small to be meaningful relative to the latency in your i/o |
| 15:45.22 | sharp15 | justin: actually now it says there is an error "Tracker Status: debian.org: Error: Network is unreachable" |
| 15:45.32 | companion_cube | oh, ok, thanks daemonkeeper |
| 15:45.37 | jhutchins_lt | pipeline: I've been managing linux professionally since RH2.1 came out and I have never had a need for LVM. |
| 15:45.41 | justin | sharp15: can you open http://bttracker.debian.org:6969/ ? |
| 15:45.50 | daemonkeeper | companion_cube: As said read invoke-rc.d(8) about "init script policies" |
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| 15:46.01 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: I've been in this game longer than that, and LVM has saved my bacon dozens of times on HP-UX and Linux |
| 15:46.33 | justin | sharp15: I'm seeding the other isos at over 1MB/s so something is working :) |
| 15:46.47 | abrotman | show off |
| 15:47.06 | twinkie_addict | i still stand by the old backup home and do a cvlean install over an upgrade to new version via pkg manager |
| 15:47.11 | jhutchins_lt | Some people never learn, no matter how long you give 'em. |
| 15:47.15 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: additionally, sistina LVM (linux) fixes a lot of the design problems in HP-UX, eliminating annoying points of failure notably the fucking lvmtab |
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| 15:47.25 | justin | abrotman: I downloaded them at 5MB/s ;) |
| 15:47.29 | aguitel | how install nvidia drivers in last debian stable release ? |
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| 15:47.50 | jhutchins_lt | !nvidia |
| 15:47.50 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a> might work; see <nvidia lenny> for oldstable procedures. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 15:48.28 | stoned | hmm. |
| 15:48.39 | dvs | hmm? |
| 15:48.40 | stoned | I installed my first copy of Debian on Feb. 7th, 2001 back in college. |
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| 15:49.01 | dvs | !beer stoned |
| 15:49.01 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Spaten Pils for stoned |
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| 15:49.05 | stoned | Today is a good day. |
| 15:49.14 | dvs | to die! |
| 15:49.16 | stoned | Been with FreeBSD for a year. |
| 15:49.17 | dvs | ;-) |
| 15:49.18 | stoned | Peace out |
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| 15:50.56 | sharp15 | justin: i filter outbound ports on this box. iptables and bittorrent don't get along well. |
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| 15:51.17 | sharp15 | justin: so problem fixed. it's working now. thank you. |
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| 15:52.37 | justin | sharp15: that'll do it :) |
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| 15:53.08 | ElDiabolo | Any hints why compiz is not a x-window-manager alternative? Is there a policy against? |
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| 15:55.39 | ibrahim | I've tried Debian, liked it, but can't use. |
| 15:55.54 | ibrahim | I guess, I couldn't get the pylosophy. |
| 15:56.01 | pipeline | pylosophy |
| 15:56.11 | pipeline | philosophy ? |
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| 15:56.55 | ibrahim | I don't know, pipeline. Why people use Debian or Linux based Operating Systems, where they can make things with only 2-3 clicks? |
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| 15:57.14 | twinkie_addict | how do i set up port forwarding ? i need to set it up for a game |
| 15:57.20 | ibrahim | What is the pylosophy? |
| 15:57.39 | ibrahim | *philosophy, whatever. |
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| 15:57.55 | joltcan | twinkie_addict: http://www.hackorama.com/network/portfwd.shtml |
| 15:58.00 | pipeline | twinkie_addict: you want to set up a destination NAT with iptables, -j DNAT |
| 15:58.03 | ElDiabolo | ibrahim, are you saying you can't do things with 2-3 clicks on debian? |
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| 15:58.12 | pipeline | ibrahim: #debian-offtopic |
| 15:58.48 | ibrahim | ElDiabolo, i didn't give names, but I couldn't even install a program with Debian style. :) |
| 15:58.51 | ibrahim | ok pipeline. |
| 15:59.19 | twinkie_addict | thanks |
| 16:00.18 | ElDiabolo | ibrahim, did you use a package manager? |
| 16:01.15 | ibrahim | ElDiabolo, yes, with package manager all is fine. But I tried to install some .tar.bz2 files as said in forums, but can't do it. |
| 16:01.29 | ashak | grins |
| 16:01.36 | ibrahim | A lot of commands just to do one thing. That's what I mean. |
| 16:01.49 | ibrahim | anyway, I'm not supposed to talk about general things here. |
| 16:01.59 | ElDiabolo | ibrahim, Installing with a package manger is very easy, without is pretty hard. |
| 16:02.25 | ElDiabolo | ibrahim, The software you needed was not packaged? |
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| 16:05.43 | ElDiabolo | 's tram arrives. He'll have to walk 10 minutes now. |
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| 16:12.30 | nsadmin | so I'm trying to get glx working on my radeon, and it can't find the lib symbols. my first problem is I don't understand which lib goes with which driver, and how to find out on my own... so let's go there first |
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| 16:13.04 | justin | nsadmin: it can't find what? |
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| 16:13.18 | xindz | Hm, When im trying to install Debian 6 @ my laptop i get this "The missing firmware files are rtl8168d-2.fw" Were can i find it? I looked at http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=squeeze but i can't find it there either |
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| 16:14.10 | vasundhar | Hi Any one successfully installed pidgin with video on debian lenny? can you please share the tips? |
| 16:14.21 | nsadmin | unfortunately it doesn't say, all I get is: (EE) GLX error: Can not get required symbols. |
| 16:14.24 | justin | xindz: firmware-realtek |
| 16:14.32 | nsadmin | that came from the log which I can pastebin |
| 16:14.37 | xindz | justin aha |
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| 16:15.54 | justin | xindz: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.html.en |
| 16:15.57 | nsadmin | justin, here's the log: http://pastebin.com/Q2As4kEf |
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| 16:17.17 | justin | nsadmin: did you try installing the fglrx stuff? |
| 16:18.07 | nsadmin | not sure I did a complete job; remember that my original question here is how do I understand what lib goes with what driver |
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| 16:18.44 | justin | so is that a yes? |
| 16:19.11 | nsadmin | that's an "I don't know"... I did try building the driver |
| 16:19.34 | justin | I asked you if you had tried to install it |
| 16:19.39 | justin | you either know if you tried to install it or not |
| 16:19.53 | nsadmin | I did try, yes |
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| 16:20.08 | justin | ok then, that is likely the cause of your problems.. It may be half installed |
| 16:20.14 | nsadmin | what I don't know is whether I got the whole thing |
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| 16:20.35 | justin | you may be trying to use the xorg radeon driver with the firegl opengl libs |
| 16:20.52 | jasond`` | why does the upgrade to squeeze recommend using apt-get when the upgrade to lenny recommended using aptitude? |
| 16:21.05 | nsadmin | you're talking to someone who figured out on my own how to build gcc by myself before 1990, so I'm not a total beginner on everything under the sun |
| 16:21.23 | EyesIsMine | Err, whats the BitTorrent link for the latest Debian? |
| 16:21.44 | justin | well, I'd try just removing everything related to the radeon drivers and reinstall the one you want |
| 16:21.48 | justin | that should fix things |
| 16:21.52 | justin | EyesIsMine: depends on what you want |
| 16:22.03 | EyesIsMine | Hm |
| 16:22.13 | justin | EyesIsMine: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/multi-arch/bt-cd/debian-6.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 16:22.18 | EyesIsMine | Ah |
| 16:22.26 | nsadmin | justin, but I don't even know how to find out what lib goes with what driver, and what the shape of the depend tree is around the libs |
| 16:22.34 | justin | that'll install on amd64 and i386, so is probably good for you |
| 16:22.47 | justin | nsadmin: strings can probably help |
| 16:23.00 | nsadmin | oh ok, on what binary? |
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| 16:23.30 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 16:23.36 | twinkie_addict | hi |
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| 16:23.53 | EyesIsMine | Meh |
| 16:24.05 | nsadmin | also what path list is xorg using when it tries to pull in libs? |
| 16:24.11 | justin | nsadmin: /usr/lib/libGL* |
| 16:24.14 | stew | EyesIsMine: there are literally hundreds of different images available for download, try going to debian.org and clicking on 'Getting Debian" |
| 16:24.20 | EyesIsMine | I did |
| 16:24.24 | EyesIsMine | It sits there |
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| 16:24.32 | EyesIsMine | When I try to download a CD img |
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| 16:24.40 | justin | it? |
| 16:24.41 | stew | EyesIsMine: what is "it"? |
| 16:24.49 | EyesIsMine | My browser |
| 16:24.56 | stew | EyesIsMine: where is "there"? |
| 16:24.58 | johnfg | Where does arno ip tables keep its config? I wanted to print out its config for my installation of squeeze. |
| 16:25.01 | nsadmin | /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1 |
| 16:25.02 | EyesIsMine | On the download page |
| 16:25.02 | nsadmin | /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1.3.070701 |
| 16:25.06 | stew | EyesIsMine: which page? |
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| 16:25.10 | EyesIsMine | Erh |
| 16:25.17 | EyesIsMine | I need to reboot anyway |
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| 16:25.25 | EyesIsMine | I'll brb |
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| 16:25.47 | justin | nsadmin: the fglrx packages divert those out of the way |
| 16:25.57 | justin | but if you used the installer from ati I don't know what they would have done |
| 16:26.09 | nsadmin | didn't do that |
| 16:26.22 | nsadmin | I used debian method from: |
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| 16:26.27 | nsadmin | !fglrx |
| 16:26.27 | dpkg | [fglrx] "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver for Radeon R5xx, R6xx, R7xx and Evergreen chipsets. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series are supported; use <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner squeeze>, <fglrx one-liner lenny> or see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 16:26.40 | frikinz | the ones from debian build well, not for 2.6.37 and not for 2.6.38 irrc |
| 16:26.42 | JyZyXEL | debootsrap doesn't generate a /etc/fstab file? |
| 16:26.43 | twinkie_addict | is almost glad he has an intel card lol |
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| 16:26.54 | justin | nsadmin: oh, so if you just purge the fglrx-glx packages you should be back to normal |
| 16:26.59 | stew | JyZyXEL: it does not |
| 16:27.03 | EyesIsMine|iPod | has Radeon 5450 |
| 16:27.06 | JyZyXEL | stew: how do you generate one? |
| 16:27.14 | stew | JyZyXEL: editor /etc/fstab |
| 16:27.27 | JyZyXEL | stew: you have to make it manually, theres no tool? |
| 16:27.35 | stew | JyZyXEL: i don't know |
| 16:27.49 | nsadmin | justin, |
| 16:28.10 | nsadmin | No diversion 'diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 by fglrx-glx', none removed. |
| 16:28.10 | nsadmin | No diversion 'diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 by fglrx-glx', none removed. |
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| 16:28.37 | justin | do you know what that means? I've never seen that before |
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| 16:29.00 | ElDiabolo | nsadmin, ATI cards may need firmware-linux-nonfree. |
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| 16:29.44 | nsadmin | ElDiablo, will give that a shot; hmm. I thought I installed that for something else |
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| 16:30.35 | ElDiabolo | nsadmin, Both, radeon and fglrx (non-free) are packaged. |
| 16:30.48 | nsadmin | root@mysqueeze:~# aptitude search firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 16:30.48 | nsadmin | i firmware-linux-nonfree - Binary firmware for various drivers in the |
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| 16:31.36 | superlinux | hi. I wanted to use enlightenment e16 in debian squeeze. but i faced a problem that I cannot type in Arabic. i used the setup mentioned here: http://www.linuxac.org/forum/showthread.php?27369-%CA%DD%DA%ED%E1-%E1%E6%CD%C9-%E3%DD%C7%CA%ED%CD-%C7%E1%DA%D1%C8%ED-%DD%ED-xorg.conf. This xorg.conf topic I wrote it. I used to use it in debian lenny. so what am I supposed to do? |
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| 16:31.54 | stew | top |
| 16:31.57 | stew | er |
| 16:31.59 | nsadmin | justin: I'm pretty sure it means "aptitude expected a diversion, but it wasn't there... hmm, cool..." |
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| 16:32.34 | ma3x | jeez, sqeeze sucks so bad |
| 16:32.43 | ma3x | this grub2 and all that **** |
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| 16:33.03 | ma3x | gonna reinstall and use lenny again |
| 16:33.19 | nsadmin | that will be supported another year |
| 16:33.35 | WormFood | they don't force you to use grub2, do they? |
| 16:33.36 | nsadmin | but wait, you're reinstalling because squeeze has grub2? |
| 16:33.43 | WormFood | I've upgraded to grub2 anyways |
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| 16:33.48 | ma3x | and because of kde4 |
| 16:33.57 | ma3x | and because of all other new stuff |
| 16:34.09 | nsadmin | grub2 is not seeing all the partitions on the laptop I have |
| 16:34.11 | ma3x | which is miles away from old lenny |
| 16:34.13 | twinkie_addict | i like squeeze :) |
| 16:34.21 | abrotman | judd: info grub --release squeeze |
| 16:34.23 | judd | Package grub (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: GRand Unified Bootloader (dummy package). Version: 0.97-64; Size: 115.0k; Installed: 168k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/grub |
| 16:34.25 | stew | dingy old s*** syndrome |
| 16:34.44 | ma3x | haha damn right |
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| 16:35.07 | ma3x | even after a year i wont upgrade |
| 16:35.19 | ma3x | squeeze has become so much like ubuntu now, i hate it |
| 16:35.26 | abrotman | then don't use it .. no need to whine here |
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| 16:35.32 | stew | ma3x: do you have a question? or are you just here to complain? |
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| 16:35.42 | superlinux | squeeze boots fast on my AMD Athlon64 |
| 16:35.44 | Rienzilla | what's wrong with ubuntu? :) |
| 16:35.49 | Digdilem | lftp using sftp is failing with "Fatal error: Host key verification failed" after I changed hosts. I've clearned the ~/.ssh/known_hosts for it and can now connect cleanly with ssh, but lftp still failing. Where's it store it's known hosts? |
| 16:35.52 | jelly | Rienzilla: exactly. |
| 16:35.52 | stew | Rienzilla: not here please |
| 16:36.05 | Rienzilla | If I could have the stability of debian with the features of ubuntu I would be super-happy :) |
| 16:36.08 | nsadmin | stew, notice the first thing out of his mouth/kbd after his join msg |
| 16:36.21 | Rienzilla | oh I was't trying to start a holy war, just to make holy peace :) |
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| 16:36.25 | twinkie_addict | i dont like ubuntu either but im just fine with sqeeze :) |
| 16:36.31 | Rienzilla | crawls back into his cave |
| 16:36.47 | nsadmin | you can't make holy peace without a holey shirt |
| 16:36.59 | Digdilem | holy peace requires holy carrots |
| 16:37.01 | twinkie_addict | and holy jeans |
| 16:37.05 | ma3x | what im trying to point out is you don't make software miles away different from the old one |
| 16:37.18 | ma3x | even experienced users can't adapt to it |
| 16:37.20 | justin | ma3x: how is squeeze 'miles away' from lenny? |
| 16:37.35 | ma3x | for example grub2 is totally different from grub |
| 16:37.38 | nsadmin | ma3x: it's been 2 years :P what do you expect |
| 16:37.48 | Rienzilla | ma3x: debian has a new major release once every... 2? years? The release cycle is quite long, so of course there will be quite some changes with a new release |
| 16:37.54 | justin | who cares about grub? |
| 16:38.08 | Rienzilla | gives max a hamm floppy |
| 16:38.08 | cahoot | grubs mother? |
| 16:38.20 | ansgar | ma3x: So complain to all those evil upstream developers who change their software. Seems pretty unrelated to any distribution. |
| 16:38.33 | twinkie_addict | grub 2 is not an ubuntu thing and the only ubuntu thing i see so far in sqeezs is software center but i can live with that |
| 16:38.48 | ma3x | and is there an option to keep kde3? |
| 16:38.52 | ma3x | or you gotta upgrade to kde4 now |
| 16:39.03 | ansgar | ma3x: KDE 3 is no longer maintained upstream. |
| 16:39.05 | twinkie_addict | no idea i use gnome :) |
| 16:39.13 | ElDiabolo | especially dislikes the evil gnome upstreamers (thx for keeping gdm2 an option :) |
| 16:39.16 | abrotman | ma3x: go use another distro, |
| 16:39.21 | tuvwx | which set of install media (cd/dvd - arch) is the most downloaded? (want to help with torrent seeding) |
| 16:39.28 | stew | ma3x: there is no supported option to keep kde3 in squeeze |
| 16:39.32 | nsadmin | legacy grub is unsupported by the devs and by #grub... but having said that, grub2 is for some reason unable to see two new partitions I added to the internal drive |
| 16:39.38 | ma3x | i tried apt-get remove gdm3 before and it was gonna remove gnome completly |
| 16:39.40 | justin | tuvwx: http://bttracker.debian.org:6969/ |
| 16:39.43 | cahoot | ma3x: http://yoush.homelinux.org:8079/ |
| 16:39.55 | superlinux | abrotman, can you help me please? |
| 16:40.17 | ElDiabolo | ma3x, Do apt-get install gdm |
| 16:40.56 | twinkie_addict | apps eventualy get upgrade some ugrades we like some we dont but it happens like or lum it |
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| 16:42.32 | nsadmin | justin, so I removed that package fglrx-glx, and still getting the problem with the symbols. still looking to understand how things work |
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| 16:43.36 | ElDiabolo | nsadmin, Are your kernel module loaded? lsmod | grep radeon ? |
| 16:43.43 | justin | nsadmin: try reinstalling libgl1-mesa-glx to make sure you have the xorg libs and not the fgl libs |
| 16:44.13 | nsadmin | but what I gather so far, each glx driver needs specific glx libs |
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| 16:44.23 | justin | sort of |
| 16:44.39 | justin | all the standard xorg drivers use mesa, the nvidia and ati drivers need their own |
| 16:44.47 | nsadmin | what I'm still clueless about is how to find out which goes with which |
| 16:45.26 | justin | why are you clueless about that? |
| 16:45.34 | justin | the xorg drivers go with the xorg libs. the ati drivers go with the ati libs |
| 16:45.38 | nsadmin | ok for ati, you could use radeon, radeonhd and fglrx |
| 16:45.50 | nsadmin | do any of those use the mesa libs? |
| 16:46.04 | justin | no |
| 16:46.06 | justin | nonono |
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| 16:46.16 | justin | "the ati drivers" meaning the firegl crap from ati |
| 16:46.22 | ElDiabolo | nsadmin, Do you have libdrm-radeon1 ? |
| 16:46.28 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 16:46.37 | nsadmin | ElDiabolo, checking |
| 16:46.44 | justin | just purge all the firegl crap and reinstall the standard xorg drivers and things should work |
| 16:46.57 | jgalt | Need to install testing over wifi but the net-inst cd's aparently don't support wifi cards. any suggestions for an istall route that does support wifi? |
| 16:47.28 | nsadmin | i A libdrm-radeon1 - Userspace interface to radeon-specific ker |
| 16:48.05 | ElDiabolo | jgalt, I did install squeeze over wifi. |
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| 16:48.25 | ElDiabolo | Was on the obvious path |
| 16:48.41 | nsadmin | ElDiabolo, so yes. |
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| 16:49.32 | nsadmin | justin: oh, ok... so I'll try purging/reinstalling the xorg glx libs |
| 16:49.35 | jgalt | ElDiabolo, so, the web page describing the Net install CD's lies then.... Good news... |
| 16:49.44 | justin | nsadmin: just a reinstall should be fine |
| 16:51.07 | ElDiabolo | jgalt, I used the non-graphical installer. |
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| 16:52.39 | sharp15 | is there a way to tell which pgp key debian chose to sign the hash databases with for the squeeze ISOs? |
| 16:52.42 | jgalt | ElDiablo, is that on the install cd's still? come to think of it not sure I've ever used the graphical installer for debian. |
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| 16:53.15 | jhambo | fuse |
| 16:53.26 | DotHack | mod_perl in squeeze is vry slwo!!! |
| 16:54.49 | nsadmin | justin, ok did that, still can't get required symbols |
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| 16:55.14 | justin | strange |
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| 16:55.23 | nsadmin | yeah |
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| 16:55.57 | justin | I think approx is the greatest invention ever |
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| 16:56.46 | nsadmin | this is interesting... |
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| 16:57.15 | nsadmin | I just installed and removed fglrx-glx, and the diversion message when I install says: |
| 16:57.36 | nsadmin | Adding 'diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 to /usr/lib/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1.2 by fglrx-glx' |
| 16:57.36 | nsadmin | Adding 'diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/lib/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1 by fglrx-glx' |
| 16:57.51 | nsadmin | but when I remove, it says: |
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| 16:58.02 | nsadmin | No diversion 'diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 by fglrx-glx', none removed. |
| 16:58.03 | nsadmin | No diversion 'diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 by fglrx-glx', none removed. |
| 16:58.54 | nsadmin | why would it divert then fail to remove the diversion? |
| 16:59.06 | ElDiabolo | nsadmin, Bug. |
| 16:59.25 | rocking | hiiiiii |
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| 16:59.49 | ElDiabolo | nsadmin, What do the /usr/lib/lbGLs point to? |
| 16:59.51 | nsadmin | ok, can we expand on that bug... it could help me solve my problem and maybe find an outstanding bug in squeeze |
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| 17:01.04 | nsadmin | /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.2 and /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1 -> libGLU.so.1.3.070701 |
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| 17:02.12 | JyZyXEL | http://pastebin.com/bpE2i4di why do i keep getting messages like that |
| 17:02.16 | nsadmin | and when I install fglrx-glx, it's the same |
| 17:02.23 | ElDiabolo | nsadmin, This looks OK. If the diversion was still present, these should be symlinks to fglrx, I think. |
| 17:02.29 | ElDiabolo | Oh |
| 17:03.00 | ElDiabolo | Need to finish no .... |
| 17:03.08 | nsadmin | maybe fglrx-glx doesn't install the libs? or something used rm to remove something |
| 17:03.08 | thewanderer1 | JyZyXEL: install `locales` package and run `dpkg-reconfigure locales`, select the one you need |
| 17:03.09 | themill | dpkg: tell JyZyXEL about locales |
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| 17:05.19 | nsadmin | is there supposed to be a kernel module radeonhd? |
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| 17:06.17 | pipeline | nsadmin: radeonhd the driver is more-or-less dead |
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| 17:06.28 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 17:06.31 | pipeline | nsadmin: the radeon driver and radeon kernel modules now support the stuff supported by radeonhd |
| 17:06.36 | nsadmin | what happened to it? |
| 17:06.46 | nsadmin | oh, it got folded in? |
| 17:06.50 | pipeline | nsadmin: the radeon driver had support for new chipsets added to it, so radeonhd didn't really have a purpose anymore |
| 17:07.01 | pipeline | nsadmin: radeonhd is still maintained in the sense that I think they still fix bugs, but I don't think it has a future |
| 17:07.15 | JyZyXEL | isn't grub-install the command to install a stage1 grub MBR on a device? |
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| 17:07.53 | nsadmin | grub2 doesn't have a "stage1", they must have renamed it |
| 17:08.01 | pipeline | JyZyXEL: yeah, but it's just a shell script that basically does "grub" and "install (hd0,0)" or whatever |
| 17:08.14 | JyZyXEL | because i get "/usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Your embedding area is unusually small. core.img won't fit in it.." |
| 17:08.24 | JyZyXEL | when i executed "grub-install --recheck --no-floppy /dev/sdc" |
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| 17:11.57 | nsadmin | pipeline: so they folded all the radeonhd stuff back into radeon? |
| 17:12.50 | goofy03 | Hi i try to upgrade a RAID+LVM2 server to squeeze + grub2 but i cant boot anymore with squeeze kernel it cant find the root partition but with my old kernel (leny) in grub2 with same config, it's ok could u help please ? |
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| 17:13.38 | nsadmin | goofy03, so it's the same grub that boots? |
| 17:13.55 | goofy03 | the two kernej yes |
| 17:14.01 | goofy03 | kernels |
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| 17:14.16 | goofy03 | i try with /dev/mapper and UIID |
| 17:14.19 | nsadmin | not sure how to interpret that in context of my question |
| 17:14.21 | goofy03 | UUID |
| 17:14.40 | goofy03 | the same grub2 boot my two kernel |
| 17:14.50 | goofy03 | there in same menu |
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| 17:15.01 | nsadmin | and does it successfully get the new kernel? |
| 17:15.14 | nsadmin | (just the kernel) |
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| 17:15.47 | bitsandwich | hello |
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| 17:16.29 | goofy03 | i dont know when i boot with new kernel it complain about it cant find root part and i a busybox sheel something like that |
| 17:16.39 | cptkrf | Where did Squeeze/KDE put the desktop background options? |
| 17:16.46 | goofy03 | s/sheel/shell |
| 17:18.00 | goofy03 | nsadmin: I've try a update-initramfs -d and -c on this kernel too but same punition |
| 17:18.25 | goofy03 | nsadmin: I have no more idea what to do ⦠|
| 17:18.51 | nsadmin | what does it say exactly to tell you it fails to find the root fs? |
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| 17:20.59 | nsadmin | goofy03 does it say anything like VFS: or kernel panic? |
| 17:21.03 | macrobat | goofy03: maybe pastebin your grub.cfg and fstab |
| 17:21.26 | macrobat | i can't boot my lvm with grub2 either :D |
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| 17:21.46 | goofy03 | nope it's not a kernel panit |
| 17:21.50 | goofy03 | panic |
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| 17:22.07 | nsadmin | does it say VFS: at the start of the line? |
| 17:22.34 | nsadmin | what I'm trying to find out, is did grub actually succeed in booting the kernel |
| 17:23.14 | nsadmin | what is the root fs called? /dev/what? |
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| 17:23.45 | jelly | cptkrf: right-click on desktop, Desktop Activity settings |
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| 17:24.03 | goofy03 | macrobat: http://pastebin.com/azWcJExg |
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| 17:24.38 | pipeline | nsadmin: more or less |
| 17:24.44 | pipeline | nsadmin: they have an faq page about this |
| 17:24.57 | pipeline | nsadmin: some cards *may* still work better with radeonhd, but in general, focus on radeon |
| 17:25.08 | macrobat | goofy03: try insmod lvm also |
| 17:25.11 | goofy03 | nsadmin: i try to find the message but the computer is my internet gateway i cant boot it now ⦠|
| 17:25.38 | cptkrf | Jelly: Thanks. Thats what I thought but it aint working. I get a task manager option panel. Hmmm... |
| 17:25.39 | goofy03 | nsadmin: i try to find the message but the computer is my internet gateway i cant boot it now ⦠|
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| 17:26.09 | nsadmin | ok... |
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| 17:26.56 | nsadmin | pipeline: worked like a champ under lenny :) |
| 17:26.57 | goofy03 | nsadmin: i try to find the message but the computer is my internet gateway i cant boot it now ⦠|
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| 17:27.14 | nsadmin | point being the card works |
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| 17:27.34 | nsadmin | goofy03, maybe the vg is not activated |
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| 17:29.02 | goofy03|2 | yes with the busybox shell if i go in dev mapper i just get /control but any lvm volume ⦠|
| 17:29.15 | katsrc | what is used in spell check? |
| 17:29.33 | katsrc | is it aspell for everything? |
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| 17:30.22 | thewanderer1 | katsrc: some programs (like OpenOffice) use myspell, it seems |
| 17:30.45 | goofy03 | nsadmin: how can i activate vg ? and why it work in my old kernel Q |
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| 17:32.36 | goofy03 | nsadmin: The error is "can't find /dev/mapper/lvmvolume-root |
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| 17:35.24 | goofy03 | nsadmin: allo ? |
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| 17:35.36 | macrobat | goofy03: have you tried "insmod lvm"? |
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| 17:35.42 | nsadmin | put on da sox |
| 17:35.53 | nsadmin | make kofee |
| 17:35.58 | goofy03 | macrobat: where in busybox shell ? |
| 17:36.13 | stew | goofy03: try "vgchange -a y" |
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| 17:36.25 | goofy03 | stew: where ? |
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| 17:36.39 | stew | goofy03: in the shell |
| 17:36.46 | kdog | anyone recommend a Quicksilver-like app launcher? Gnome Do? |
| 17:36.53 | goofy03 | but i cant boot ⦠|
| 17:36.54 | nsadmin | goofy03, can't tell if that error message came from the kernel or from grub |
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| 17:37.00 | macrobat | i really don't know how to use a buzybox, i was thinking "reboot" then pressing e at the grub2 menu item to edit |
| 17:37.13 | stew | macrobat: and make what edit? |
| 17:37.23 | nsadmin | mever had one as a kid? :) |
| 17:37.28 | stew | macrobat: you mean dm not lvm, righ? |
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| 17:37.55 | goofy03 | macrobat: i can do an insmod in grub shell ? |
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| 17:38.08 | stew | goofy03: yes, but the module he's telling you to load doesn't exist |
| 17:38.14 | nsadmin | the insmod is for grub modules |
| 17:38.14 | macrobat | ok, i don't know much about raid |
| 17:38.32 | stew | wait, what raid? |
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| 17:38.38 | macrobat | isn't "lvm" a grub module? |
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| 17:38.46 | stew | oh |
| 17:39.13 | stew | doesn't seem like a grub problem to me, since he actually boots his kernel |
| 17:39.21 | macrobat | aha |
| 17:39.25 | stew | seems like an initrd problem |
| 17:39.37 | macrobat | rebuild initrd? |
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| 17:39.48 | goofy03 | stew: I have a raid lvm2 server wich cant boot after squeeze upgrade but fortunatly i can boot on my old kernel with same grub2 config |
| 17:39.52 | deego | If I want to stay with lenny for now, what should I do in my sources.list? Changing stable to lenny: not found. Changing www.debian.. to archive.debian - still no luck. |
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| 17:40.19 | stew | goofy03: try rebuilding the initrd for the non-working kernel |
| 17:40.34 | Erbureth | deego: ftp.debian.org should work? |
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| 17:40.50 | goofy03 | macrobat: i already done an update-initramfs -d -k 2.6.32-5-686 and update-initramfs -c -k 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 17:41.06 | goofy03 | but nothing change |
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| 17:41.17 | nsadmin | ftp.us.debian.org or ftp.yourcountry.debian.org |
| 17:41.18 | stew | goofy03: what happens if you run "vgchange -a y"? |
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| 17:41.39 | nsadmin | you can run that in grub2 shell? |
| 17:41.45 | goofy03 | stew: but where in my old kernel ? |
| 17:41.57 | stew | goofy03: no, in the initrd of the broken kernel |
| 17:42.11 | stew | in busybox |
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| 17:42.49 | deego | Erbureth, nsadmin: thanks, trying. |
| 17:43.00 | goofy03 | ok i gone try ⦠i came back ( yes i know this server is my internet gateway) |
| 17:43.12 | deego | Yes, it found it. www must not have updated yet (tried last night) for lenny. |
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| 17:43.22 | ari-tczew | is new debian wheezy open? |
| 17:43.43 | Erbureth | deego: good |
| 17:43.54 | Erbureth | ari-tczew: it is already in the repos |
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| 17:43.56 | stew | deego: what do you mean by "www"? |
| 17:44.19 | K_Dallas | Hello everyone! Q: When I try to update squeeze (VM on Win7), a few of the repositories are failing on me no matter which server I use (some have TRANSLATION in their name or so). Is it normal, temporary, or something that I need to attend to immediately? Thanks |
| 17:44.35 | stew | K_Dallas: please show us the error |
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| 17:44.52 | K_Dallas | one second stew |
| 17:45.11 | deego | Erbureth: BTW, shouldn't the proper spec. for lenny be now archive.debian.org instead of ftp.us.debian.org? |
| 17:45.29 | stew | deego: no, its not on archive for a least a year |
| 17:45.33 | ari-tczew | Erbureth: I mean that squeeze was frozen until release and what is current status of unstable. |
| 17:45.44 | deego | stew: Ah, thanks. |
| 17:45.49 | stew | ari-tczew: unstable is the same as it always is |
| 17:46.00 | stew | ari-tczew: testing is unfrozen if that is what you mean |
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| 17:46.26 | devnet | hi, got an interesting problem |
| 17:46.31 | stew | ari-tczew: its gotten > 2000 new packages since the release, something like 15% of it has already changed, so expect it to be a bumpy ride for a while |
| 17:46.35 | K_Dallas | This is what I get running apt-get update. There are many IGN there too instead of HIT. |
| 17:46.36 | K_Dallas | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.40 | ari-tczew | so is unstable going to change its toolchain? new gcc or enable binutils-gold? |
| 17:46.45 | devnet | I upgraded a server from Lenny ----> Squeeze today |
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| 17:46.51 | devnet | mysql won't start now |
| 17:47.00 | devnet | so I try dpkg to reconfigure |
| 17:47.03 | goofy03 | stew: i get no volume group found |
| 17:47.15 | stew | K_Dallas: "updates" shouldn't be in there, or it should be squeeze-updates, depending on what repo you are trying to hit. put your sources.list into a pastebin |
| 17:47.25 | devnet | but it errors out |
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| 17:47.33 | stew | devnet: with what error? |
| 17:47.40 | devnet | stew: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) when trying to connect |
| 17:47.44 | devnet | of course, this means it's not running |
| 17:47.45 | K_Dallas | OK stew, one sec please |
| 17:47.45 | karlpinc | devnet: I had that problem but can't recall what I did to fix it. I think there was a package that needed to be installed.... |
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| 17:47.52 | karlpinc | devnet: A mysql package.... |
| 17:48.00 | devnet | I try to start it, but it won't stay started :| |
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| 17:48.03 | stew | its usually that you have a configuration option which is no longer suppoorted |
| 17:48.18 | stew | devnet: run "mysqld" as root on the command line and you'll get the error in stderr |
| 17:48.23 | devnet | stew: doing a diff on the new cnf and the old results in nothing odd |
| 17:48.26 | keith4 | should I remove lenny-backports sources before upgrading to squeeze? |
| 17:48.30 | karlpinc | devnet: Yes. Same with me. |
| 17:48.36 | themill | devnet: make sure that you actually have the mysql-server-5.1 package installed. |
| 17:48.43 | stew | devnet: yes, and I think that might be the problem. that your configuration didn't change when it should have |
| 17:48.43 | devnet | 110207 17:48:30 [ERROR] Can't open the mysql.plugin table. Please run mysql_upgrade to create it. |
| 17:48.56 | devnet | however, when running mysql_upgrade it results in the previous error |
| 17:49.07 | devnet | stew: that's why I tried to do dpkg reconfig |
| 17:49.28 | devnet | I'm in a catch 22 I think |
| 17:49.32 | devnet | perfect storm |
| 17:49.43 | stew | devnet: run "mysqld" as root on the command line and you'll get the error in stderr |
| 17:49.49 | K_Dallas | stew, here it is: http://pastebin.com/QSrQAY9q |
| 17:49.52 | devnet | stew: I pasted it above |
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| 17:50.13 | karlpinc | devnet: What themill said. Is mysql-server-5.1 isntalled? |
| 17:50.16 | goofy03 | stew: on a blkid with my old kernel i get hda1 is normal ? |
| 17:50.29 | devnet | karlpinc: yes |
| 17:50.32 | stew | goofy03: i'm not sure I understood that question |
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| 17:50.50 | goofy03 | stew: with squeeze it not to be sda ? |
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| 17:51.22 | stew | goofy03: maybe |
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| 17:51.45 | stew | devnet: and running mysql_upgrade tells you to run mysql_upgrade? |
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| 17:51.57 | devnet | stew: it gives me the first error with mysql.sock |
| 17:51.58 | stew | devnet: or you get the "cannot connect" error? |
| 17:52.01 | devnet | ya |
| 17:52.08 | goofy03 | stew: with busybox i have look in /dev/disk/byuuid and i get only too disk swap partiton not md0 or Md1 and neither lvm partition |
| 17:52.11 | stew | devnet: can you paste your my.cnf somewhere? |
| 17:52.18 | devnet | stew: sure |
| 17:52.21 | devnet | standby |
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| 17:52.41 | goofy03 | stew: but vgchange -ay :Â i get no volume group found |
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| 17:53.31 | nsadmin | try -a y (note space) |
| 17:53.40 | stew | goofy03: so its probably not an lvm problem but that the mdadm isn't assembling so there is nothing for lvm to do yet |
| 17:54.22 | nsadmin | goofy03, so you're in the busybox of the new system? |
| 17:54.30 | goofy03 | nsadmin: yes |
| 17:54.49 | nsadmin | that would answer my question from before... grub2 is working fine. |
| 17:55.03 | nsadmin | your kernel boots but can't find / |
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| 17:55.11 | goofy03 | yes |
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| 17:55.26 | deego | If I run apt-show-versions, it prints output as normal on the screen, but if I issue this command: apt-show-versions >tmp.versions to try to capture the output, I get this error: Use of uninitialized value $_[0] in hash element at /usr/bin/apt-show-versions line 733. |
| 17:55.26 | deego | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.35 | goofy03 | nsadmin: sorry for my english |
| 17:55.49 | deego | This is apt-show-versions 0.15 of lenny. Am I doing something wrong? |
| 17:56.02 | nsadmin | your english wasn't a problem |
| 17:56.05 | deego | I have a pure lenny system (no mixing of packages, etc.) |
| 17:57.55 | devnet | stew: http://slexy.org/view/s21WvaJYJ0 |
| 17:58.00 | nsadmin | deego, looks like a perl err msg |
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| 17:58.33 | stew | deego: is tmp.versions writable? it looks like that part of the code is handleing exiting from an error |
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| 17:59.18 | rozie | deego: touch testfile.tmp; apt-show-versions > testfile.tmp |
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| 18:00.10 | deego | Ah, though it shows that message on the screen, it does write to tmp.versions. Thanks, guys. |
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| 18:01.07 | goofy03 | nsadmin: then what i can do ? because i'd like to boot on new kernel :) |
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| 18:01.45 | stew | goofy03: what versions of udev/mdadm/initramfs-tools are installed? |
| 18:02.04 | goofy03 | nsadmin: can it be a hda sda switch problem in my RAID array ? |
| 18:03.39 | deego | One more question: On one of my machines, I want to downgrade, for example, xautomation back to lenny (unattended-upgrades upgraded it to stable). I pin lenny to 2000. Then, it does not want to downgrade because I still see it as 500: 500 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main Packages. My pins are as follows: http://paste.debian.net/106770/ |
| 18:03.59 | nsadmin | goofy03 that part, I don't know.. haven't tried raid or softraid |
| 18:04.03 | deego | I did apt-get update after creating the pins. |
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| 18:05.07 | ksk | hello |
| 18:05.14 | ksk | is there something like "/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 18:05.14 | goofy03 | nsadmin: udev : 164 mdadm - v3.1.4 and initramfs-tools Version: 0.98.8 |
| 18:05.15 | goofy03 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.17 | ksk | " for ipv6? |
| 18:05.18 | drexl | grub2 ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! |
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| 18:06.35 | macrobat | i know, right |
| 18:06.48 | Dagger2 | ksk: `find /proc/sys | grep ipv6 | grep forward` |
| 18:06.56 | devnet | well at the very least I can copy the databases as is in /var/lib/mysql |
| 18:07.01 | devnet | for backup |
| 18:07.31 | ksk | its ipv6/conf/INTERFACE/forwarding |
| 18:07.32 | ksk | thanks |
| 18:07.48 | devnet | unless the upgrade made them corrupt |
| 18:08.09 | devnet | in which case, my last backup 20 hrs ago will suffice and I have to rebuild the server |
| 18:08.38 | devnet | if so, it will be the least graceful debian upgrade I've had :( |
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| 18:09.03 | soczol | my mysql got borked too - had to reinstall mysql-server-5.1 for it to work again :/ |
| 18:09.12 | soczol | it'd start and then shutdown again, without any (visible) errors |
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| 18:09.58 | stew | deego: you want n=lenny not a=lenny, or you want a=stable |
| 18:10.12 | stew | deego: see the output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 18:10.51 | devnet | soczol: did you do a full purge? |
| 18:11.07 | devnet | like rm -rf /var/lib/mysql? |
| 18:11.18 | devnet | or just an apt purge? |
| 18:11.19 | stew | there is no reason to do that |
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| 18:12.00 | devnet | I've never hit anything like this one since I started hosting my own site in 2004 |
| 18:12.10 | deego | stew: changed it to n=. Apt-cache policy still shows the lenny version as 500 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main Packages, instead of 2000. And, apt-get install xautomation failed to downgrade it again. |
| 18:12.11 | deego | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:12.29 | justin | deego: can you just download the .deb from packages.debian.org, dpkg -i it, and then put it on hold? |
| 18:12.36 | justin | deego: seems like that would be a lot simpler method |
| 18:12.38 | stew | deego: are you actually trying to dongrade everything to lenny? |
| 18:12.59 | deego | Just a few packages. I am trying to understand why pinning is not working |
| 18:13.01 | stew | deego: seems like you should just be pinning the single package |
| 18:13.13 | stew | deego: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 18:13.28 | stew | devnet: can you run "mysql_upgrade --verbose" ? |
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| 18:13.47 | devnet | sure |
| 18:13.58 | deego | stew: http://paste.debian.net/106771/ |
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| 18:14.28 | stew | deego: show us the output of just "apt-cache policy" |
| 18:15.00 | devnet | stew: http://slexy.org/view/s20Kg9XNPs |
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| 18:15.42 | deego | stew: that was indeed the output of apt-cache policy xautomation. Here's a combined output that shows both my pinning, and the output: http://paste.debian.net/106772/ |
| 18:15.56 | stew | deego: can you show us the outpt of "apt-cache policy" though |
| 18:16.09 | karlpinc | devnet: Did you remember to reboot after installing the new kernel? |
| 18:16.17 | deego | Ah, sorry, one sec. |
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| 18:16.30 | devnet | karlpinc: yup |
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| 18:16.59 | deego | stew: Bottom of this: http://paste.debian.net/106774/ |
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| 18:17.10 | deego | Am I using the right file for pinning: /etc/apt/preferences ? |
| 18:17.51 | soczol | devnet: nope, just reinstalled mysql-server-5.1 (sorry, was afk) |
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| 18:18.11 | devnet | soczol: ok, I might give that a go i guess |
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| 18:19.58 | stew | deego: oh, perhaps lenny isn't including n=lenny for some reason, see "release v=5.0.8,o=Debian,a=oldstable,l=Debian,c=main" |
| 18:19.59 | soczol | devnet: oh yeah, I also removed this 'skip-dbd' line from /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
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| 18:20.02 | stew | deego: you'd want a=oldstable |
| 18:20.55 | goofy03 | stew: ok i think i've find something in busybox my disk are named sda and on my old kernel hda and mdadm.conf refere too hda |
| 18:20.56 | soczol | devnet: err, skip-bdb :D |
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| 18:21.17 | deego | Ah, that worked. Thanks so much, stew. |
| 18:21.27 | stew | the release file does have Codename=lenny, i'm not sure why policy isn't showing it |
| 18:21.35 | goofy03 | stew: if i change hda to sda in mdadm.conf do you think is gonna work ? |
| 18:21.44 | stew | goofy03: wait, your mdadm refers to actual device names? |
| 18:21.51 | stew | goofy03: no, i don't think it should refer to either |
| 18:22.44 | goofy03 | i think my raid array is not mouted in the new kernel because in squeeze hd have change their names |
| 18:23.15 | goofy03 | how i cant "rebuild" my raid array in the new kernel in busy box ? |
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| 18:23.36 | themill | stew: I don't know if that's a change in apt between lenny and squeeze. I never managed to get n= pinning working until squeeze. |
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| 18:23.55 | deego | What is the difference between n= and a= ? |
| 18:24.29 | MicrosoftEmploye | i have been running squeeze for a while now by editing my sources.list do i need to do anything now squeeze is stable? |
| 18:24.40 | stew | deego: a comes from the "Suite" entry of Release and n comes from "Codename" |
| 18:24.53 | themill | deego: n=squeeze will always be the case for that particular release of debian. As the release changes from testing to stable to oldstable, the a= would change. |
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| 18:25.16 | themill | n= pinning is much more useful than a= pinning for most practical purposes |
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| 18:25.26 | devnet | god, this is frustrating |
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| 18:25.29 | deego | themill, stew: thanks. |
| 18:25.32 | stew | theoretically he's still running squeeze, since he's failing at downgrading |
| 18:25.39 | sharp15 | why is the installer demanding lvm be used with encrypted partitions? |
| 18:25.58 | deego | Thus, "n=woody" and "a=experimental", right? |
| 18:26.02 | funky | hello |
| 18:26.17 | stew | deego: are you planning on adding woody or experimental repositories? |
| 18:26.24 | deego | No, just figuring out. |
| 18:26.25 | soczol | devnet: tried removing that line yet? |
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| 18:26.45 | themill | stew: I've not paid any attention to the context here... just the pinning bit :) |
| 18:26.52 | devnet | soczol: no joy |
| 18:27.00 | funky | Internal error: found 2 (choice -> promotion) mappings for a single choice. |
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| 18:27.07 | devnet | trying complete removal now |
| 18:27.07 | funky | ^ does anyone can explain this? |
| 18:27.16 | devnet | tried --reinstall and dpkg reconfig |
| 18:27.27 | devnet | EXCELLENT |
| 18:27.31 | devnet | I can't remove it either |
| 18:27.33 | funky | it comes from aptitude |
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| 18:27.36 | devnet | :| |
| 18:27.45 | soczol | why not? :o |
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| 18:28.23 | stew | devnet: i'd try (temporarily?) commenting out everything in the [mysqld] section after tmpdir |
| 18:28.29 | devnet | soczol and stew http://slexy.org/view/s21zIkk4xl |
| 18:28.41 | devnet | that's what happens when I try to remove it |
| 18:28.42 | stew | devnet: and check /etc/mysql/conf.d for possible problems |
| 18:29.36 | stew | you didn't remove the right package, but I don't see the point in removing it anyway, remove + install is the same as reinstall which you say you've already tried |
| 18:29.51 | devnet | reisntall gives the same error |
| 18:29.59 | stew | yes, as expected |
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| 18:30.18 | justin | mysql-server is just a meta package |
| 18:30.28 | devnet | there's nothing inside etc/mysql/conf.d that should give me problems |
| 18:30.35 | devnet | just a .cnf for mysql_safe |
| 18:30.47 | justin | devnet: did you read whatever logs mysql writes to? |
| 18:30.51 | stew | devnet: what is in there? |
| 18:30.57 | stew | it won't write to logs if it cannot start |
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| 18:31.18 | devnet | [mysqld_safe] |
| 18:31.18 | devnet | syslog |
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| 18:31.22 | devnet | that's it |
| 18:31.23 | stew | devnet: can you show us both your current my.cnf and whatever is in /etc/mysql/conf.d ? |
| 18:31.24 | DelphiWorld | hello guys |
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| 18:31.29 | justin | stew: not even a "not starting because of fatal error foo"? |
| 18:31.31 | DelphiWorld | how do i stop a init.d file from auto starting? |
| 18:31.40 | devnet | stew: My first pastebin has my.cnf |
| 18:31.40 | justin | postgresql will do that if, for example, the port is already in use |
| 18:31.53 | devnet | stew: second cnf has those two lines I show above |
| 18:31.55 | stew | devnet: you have to comment out skip-bdb |
| 18:32.04 | stew | devnet: see "Using BerkeleyDB is now discouraged as its support will cease in 5.1.12." |
| 18:32.10 | justin | DelphiWorld: the easiest way is to just uninstall the thing you dont want starting |
| 18:32.19 | DelphiWorld | justin: bad idea |
| 18:32.30 | DelphiWorld | justin: i need to start it only if i need it |
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| 18:32.52 | derik | how i make a script that run a file on a random time ? |
| 18:32.54 | stew | DelphiWorld: rename the S?? links to K?? links in /etc/rc?.d or use update-rc.d to do this |
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| 18:33.06 | DelphiWorld | while try |
| 18:33.08 | DelphiWorld | thank you |
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| 18:34.35 | devnet | that's it? |
| 18:34.38 | devnet | holy crap |
| 18:34.40 | deego | Since aptitude is now to be preferred over apt-get, how does one specify --purge when running "aptitude upgrade"? (not talking of aptitude purge foo, but of upgrade.) (Also, not talking of --purge-unused either.) |
| 18:34.59 | devnet | soczol: I think I forgot to save the file when I commented it out last time |
| 18:35.03 | devnet | because it works now |
| 18:35.09 | devnet | that single line caused that much trouble |
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| 18:35.16 | soczol | devnet: heh, yeah it is! :D |
| 18:35.26 | devnet | amazing |
| 18:35.33 | soczol | happy it works for you now then |
| 18:35.47 | devnet | hope it does...doing some testing...it started anyway |
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| 18:36.40 | devnet | soczol and stew looks like it worked...I just wrote to a table :\ :) Can't believe it was something so trivial |
| 18:36.46 | devnet | thanks for the help you guys :) |
| 18:36.58 | soczol | ;) |
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| 18:37.53 | ma3x | hi i wanna write this iso to usb hdd and boot and install from it. can i just do 'cp debian-508-i386-CD-1.iso /dev/sdc' ? |
| 18:38.13 | stew | ma3x: yes, provided /dev/sdc is your usb hdd |
| 18:38.15 | babilen | ma3x: yes, or use "cat" |
| 18:38.23 | justin | stew: he is trying to reinstall lenny now |
| 18:38.36 | stew | justin: ok |
| 18:38.39 | justin | ma3x: you are seriously going to reinstall lenny over squeeze because you don't like grub2? |
| 18:38.39 | babilen | ma3x: That will not work with lenny images |
| 18:38.40 | ma3x | justin you got any problem with that? |
| 18:38.50 | ma3x | not over, clean lenny install |
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| 18:39.05 | stew | oh, right, that won't work with a lenny image |
| 18:39.10 | stew | ma3x: you'd need to follow the procedure in the lenny release notes |
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| 18:39.19 | ma3x | why wouldn't it work? |
| 18:39.40 | babilen | ma3x: Because the image layout that makes this possible is new in squeeze |
| 18:39.40 | ma3x | well what image should i download for lenny to write to usb hdd and install from it? |
| 18:39.43 | stew | ma3x: becuase after it boots its going to be confused about not being able to find a cdrom device |
| 18:39.58 | stew | ma3x: that image is fine along with a hdinstall image |
| 18:40.18 | stew | ma3x: you'll need hdinstall + some iso, that iso would work, as would a netinst iso |
| 18:40.34 | justin | stew: pretty sure it won't even boot if he does that |
| 18:40.37 | babilen | ma3x: Follow the installation guide for lenny -- but honestly, your action is, well a bit drastic |
| 18:40.40 | justin | as there is no bootloader |
| 18:40.40 | stew | justin: why wouldn't it? |
| 18:40.49 | stew | justin: yes there is |
| 18:41.01 | justin | how so? |
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| 18:41.07 | stew | justin: look at the release notes, there are two working methods in there |
| 18:41.17 | justin | stew: for squeeze... |
| 18:41.25 | babilen | justin: plenty of people installed that way. You "zcat boot.img > /dev/sdX" and copy other things |
| 18:41.29 | stew | justin: for squeeze just copy it to the usb hddd |
| 18:41.30 | stew | hdd* |
| 18:41.32 | ma3x | stew so i should get this cd image + netinst image right? |
| 18:41.42 | ma3x | and how should i write the netinst image to the hdd? with cp again? |
| 18:41.43 | stew | ma3x: no, just use the one you have |
| 18:41.56 | justin | babilen: that does not work for any random .iso |
| 18:41.57 | stew | ma3x: follow the procedure in the lenny release notes |
| 18:42.10 | stew | justin: no, it won't, but it will in this case |
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| 18:42.23 | stew | justin: nobody is talking about doing this with random .isos |
| 18:42.27 | ma3x | what's hdinstall? procedure or image? |
| 18:42.36 | justin | stew: how exactly is that going to work? |
| 18:42.38 | babilen | justin: No, that is why one should follow the method in the *lenny* installation guide. The situation is different (and much better) for *squeeze* |
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| 18:42.47 | justin | babilen: I know that! |
| 18:42.51 | stew | justin: can you be more specific about your question? |
| 18:42.55 | stew | justin: there is a lot that is going to happen |
| 18:43.04 | justin | stew: how is dumping the lenny iso onto a hard drive going to boot? |
| 18:43.10 | justin | pretty sure the hybrid images didn't exist back then |
| 18:43.12 | 92AACCP87 | Is there any major post-release unstable breakage? |
| 18:43.14 | arosen | Hello, are there any debian repos that will let me upgrade my kernel so something really new? For example ~2.6.36 ? |
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| 18:43.22 | 92AACCP87 | Um. Lemme get a proper name... |
| 18:43.32 | stew | justin: please read the procedure in the release notes |
| 18:43.33 | babilen | ma3x: You need boot.img.gz from hd-media + matching installer image + other files (read the *installation guide for lenny* it *is* detailed in there) |
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| 18:43.48 | ma3x | ok thanks |
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| 18:43.59 | karsten-nr | Is there any major post-release unstable breakage? |
| 18:44.05 | babilen | ma3x: still: why? |
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| 18:44.52 | justin | karsten-nr: do you count people like ma3x having a fit that squeeze comes with grub2? |
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| 18:45.37 | abrotman | justin: that wasn't in unstable though? |
| 18:45.45 | karsten-nr | justin: Send 'im to Egypt. Let him learn what a *real* bootstrap is. |
| 18:45.57 | justin | heh |
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| 18:46.31 | karsten-nr | justin: Trying to figure how many days of settle I want to give this before casting my work laptop onto Unstable again. I've got "squeeze" specified in sources. |
| 18:47.01 | rolandpish_ | is it normal messages like "/dev/dm-0 doesn't contain a valid partition table" when executing a fdisk -l ? (those dm-x are logical volumes) |
| 18:48.00 | jelly-home | justin: there are many annoyances with squeeze, but they're mostly upstream effected |
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| 18:48.29 | jhutchins_lt | karsten-nr: Do you think you might switch to wheezy/testing, or are you going right for hardcore sid. |
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| 18:50.04 | arosen | Hello, is there a place besides bpo where I can get newer kernels? |
| 18:50.25 | nsadmin | santa cruz? |
| 18:50.34 | tharkun | arosen: What release are you working with? |
| 18:50.52 | nsadmin | kernel.org? |
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| 18:50.55 | aguitel | anyway to select fastest mirror and choose with gui? |
| 18:51.00 | arosen | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l 2.6.32-bpo.5-486 |
| 18:51.06 | babilen | arosen: And which kernel version are you after? |
| 18:51.25 | tharkun | arosen: that is old-stable Squeeze got released 2 days ago |
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| 18:51.56 | arosen | babilen: It would be nice to get to 2.6.36 ish |
| 18:52.07 | arosen | tharkun: how do i upgrade? |
| 18:52.14 | tharkun | arosen: /topic |
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| 18:52.16 | babilen | arosen: You might want to upgrade to Squeeze first. The process is outlines in the release notes |
| 18:52.18 | Erbureth | arosen: debian experimental has 2.6.37 |
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| 18:52.27 | tharkun | ,kernel |
| 18:52.28 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.37-trunk-686 (2.6.37-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); wheezy: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 18:52.31 | babilen | !tell arosen -about squeeze release notes |
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| 18:52.43 | wifiuser | hi. I have atheros TL-WN422Gv2.how to use it inubuntu?? I do not see the network icon!! How to show list of wifi networks aroundtoconnect to one of them?? |
| 18:52.47 | nsadmin | arosen, is all your hardware working with the kernel you have? |
| 18:52.56 | wifiuser | or in debian if it workbetter there |
| 18:53.15 | babilen | arosen: You can then set squeeze as default release and install 2.6.37 from experimental if you need or wait for a while until a .37 kernel lands in sid |
| 18:53.28 | arosen | nsadmin: no |
| 18:53.42 | babilen | dpkg: tell arosen -about lenny->squeeze |
| 18:53.46 | nsadmin | wifiuser, ubuntu support is over there --> |
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| 18:53.58 | nsadmin | what's not working? |
| 18:53.59 | babilen | (I tend to write "squeezy" these days) |
| 18:54.21 | jhutchins_lt | Speaking of which, what is the method of getting the release name for the current install? |
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| 18:54.32 | nsadmin | ice cream... a wheezy squeezy brain freezy |
| 18:54.40 | stew | jhutchins_lt: lsb_release -c |
| 18:55.04 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Any file in /etc/ or anything? |
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| 18:55.30 | advorak | . |
| 18:55.38 | nsadmin | , |
| 18:55.51 | babilen | arosen: The last factoid from dpkg is the upgrade process in a nutshell. I recommend to follow the release notes though. They explain it all nice and cosy and contain more information |
| 18:55.55 | jhutchins_lt | I'm looking for whatever used to day squeeze/sid to now say just squeeze, which lsb-release -c does. |
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| 18:56.07 | stew | jhutchins_lt: not that I know of |
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| 18:56.32 | jhutchins_lt | Is there an explanation of why apt-get is recommended for lenny->squeeze instead of aptitude? |
| 18:56.57 | wp | good question jhutchins_lt :) |
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| 18:57.26 | jhutchins_lt | It's been Frequently Asked here and I don't know. |
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| 18:58.33 | tharkun | because the person that did the factoid uses apt-get instead of aptitude? |
| 18:58.47 | nsadmin | something about the dep resolution in aptitude causing problems in the upgrade, iirc |
| 18:58.52 | shashidhar | command to open VIm editor like in Ubuntu10.10 its CTL + ALT + t |
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| 19:00.47 | stew | jhutchins_lt: i believe because of things like #590470 |
| 19:00.52 | babilen | tharkun: no, that is not the reason. apt-get handles the upgrade without problems, while aptitude does not. I can't tell you the reasons exact symptoms for it though. I used aptitude all along for the transitions in the last year and it worked. udev+kernel was a little bit of work, but meh |
| 19:00.55 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: I think it's on the wiki too, there's a statement that while previous upgrades recommended aptitude, apt-get is recommended for squeeze. |
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| 19:01.16 | wildc4rd | evenin' |
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| 19:02.16 | Ins|de | hello, where can i find a debian-squeeze template for LXC ? i tried to change the default one, it works, but i simply can't do an lxc-console to it, if i dont run it as a deamon i can login and work on it, any idea? |
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| 19:02.56 | jhutchins_lt | stew: That's pretty much what I figured, aptitude over-thinks it. |
| 19:03.38 | kjoller | Hello. I need to build an xbmc-package without libfaac0-dependencies. I have apt-got source and build-dep, an the configure flag is --disable-faac. How do I proceed? |
| 19:03.41 | stew | i think it would probably be fine for many installations, but there are some which would confuse it |
| 19:03.50 | simonrvn | i'm starting to see mention of systemd in the changelogs... is that going to be the new default init? |
| 19:04.17 | petemc | !tell kjoller about debian/rules |
| 19:04.18 | soczol | Ins|de: that's because /dev/tty1,2,3,4 etc are missing in the container (at least they were for me) |
| 19:04.20 | stew | kjoller: edit the control file, add a new changelog entry with "dch --nmu" |
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| 19:04.40 | Ins|de | soczol, i'm pretty sure i have them, let me check |
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| 19:05.00 | tharkun | babilen, jhutchins_lt: IIRC aptitude fell on an infinite loop while resolving dependencies on certain package combinations. for some reaso apt-get did not |
| 19:05.28 | babilen | tharkun: yes, see #590470 stew pointed us at |
| 19:05.31 | soczol | Ins|de: I had to do 'mknod -m 666 $rootfs/dev/tty1 c 4 1', and then lxc-console worked for me |
| 19:05.38 | petemc | stew: is that essential? ive rebuilt packages with different options without doing what you describe |
| 19:05.39 | Ins|de | soczol, you were right, i only have tty0 |
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| 19:06.20 | stew | petemc: the control file is for his goal at least |
| 19:06.27 | cosmos2 | hello |
| 19:06.41 | soczol | Ins|de: could make tty2, etc. too with mknod -m 666 $rootfs/dev/tty1 c 4 <N>, replacing <N> with the tty number |
| 19:06.42 | cosmos2 | Battery is not detected on squeeze ppc |
| 19:06.49 | cosmos2 | iBook g$ |
| 19:06.51 | cosmos2 | g4 |
| 19:06.55 | karsten-nr | jhutchins_lt: Prolly testing w/ some sid pins. That's what I generally do. |
| 19:07.10 | Ins|de | soczol, thanks a lot! its working fine now :-) |
| 19:07.17 | soczol | Ins|de: great! :) |
| 19:07.18 | stew | kjoller: after installing your package, you'll probably want to put it on hold so that its not upgraded on you, /msg dpkg hold |
| 19:07.23 | simonrvn | tty<N> c 4 <N> ;) |
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| 19:07.38 | soczol | simonrvn: err yeah.. :D |
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| 19:08.21 | simonrvn | cosmos2: that's a statment, not a question :P |
| 19:08.25 | simonrvn | state* |
| 19:09.26 | cosmos2 | simonrvn: hhave you an idea on this issue? |
| 19:10.20 | aidalgol | How do I tell the installer to reuse an encrypted device/partition (instead of just starting from scratch and overwriting what's there)? |
| 19:10.29 | simonrvn | no. it should Just Work. check the BTS |
| 19:10.33 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 19:10.33 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 19:10.35 | tharkun | babilen: read the bug report I didn't know the details |
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| 19:11.07 | derik | if i have a .php file on server how i run from CLI ? |
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| 19:12.17 | DevinMorin | derik: you can use the php interpreter from the command line |
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| 19:13.09 | simonrvn | i guess no one has a clue about my question about systemd? |
| 19:13.24 | stew | derik: php /path/to/foo.php |
| 19:13.56 | derik | stew thanks |
| 19:13.58 | cosmos2 | ok, thanks, bye |
| 19:14.11 | justin | simonrvn: i dunno about defualt, but I'd imagine people may be changing things to enable it to be used as an alternative |
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| 19:14.38 | simonrvn | makes sense |
| 19:14.48 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 19:14.59 | Flashtek | incidentally, if anyone is having issues with ftp.uk.debian.org being slow and clunky, use ftp.debian.org instead |
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| 19:15.05 | Flashtek | erm.. ftp.debian.de even |
| 19:15.45 | simonrvn | porbably ftp.de. even |
| 19:15.48 | simonrvn | pro* |
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| 19:16.37 | stew | in the uk, ftp.debian.org should get you to ftp.uk.debian.org, since ftp.debian.org is geo based fake dns |
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| 19:17.18 | stew | oh, or perhaps there isn't a uk view and you just get the eu view, which yes, might get you ftp.de |
| 19:17.52 | crodjer | how can I create a usb disk for debian netinst? |
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| 19:18.20 | pipeline | crodjer: download the thumb drive zip, dd the image to a drive, then mount the drive and copy the netinst iso to root |
| 19:18.35 | simonrvn | stew: oh it's been geoip'ed? oh wait, i remember themill mentioning that this autumn |
| 19:18.48 | stew | crodjer: download an iso and copy it directly to the device |
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| 19:19.03 | stew | crodjer: noting that it will replace all the device contents |
| 19:19.19 | stew | simonrvn: yes try "host -t TXT ftp.debian.org" you'd probably see "NA view" meaning "north america" |
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| 19:19.31 | crodjer | yeah stew |
| 19:19.39 | extra11 | love debian |
| 19:19.42 | crodjer | thanks |
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| 19:19.51 | simonrvn | ftp.debian.org descriptive text "NA view" |
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| 19:19.52 | stew | which oddly enough gets me a utwente machine |
| 19:19.56 | extra11 | have a good day |
| 19:19.57 | simonrvn | nice |
| 19:20.05 | aguitel | i am in squeeze and when i start googleearth there is a black screen ,anyone know this ussue ? |
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| 19:20.55 | simonrvn | i wonder how you'd rig that up? stew, do they have some docs up on what they did to implement that? |
| 19:20.58 | stew | pipeline: note that the iso's (such as netinst) can just be copied directly to a usb and will be bootable, no need for hdinstall anymore |
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| 19:21.11 | pipeline | stew: no shit, that is awesome |
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| 19:21.19 | arosen | I just changed lenny to squeeze in my source list and did an apt-get update but I don't see any newer kernels there than before? |
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| 19:21.52 | stew | simonrvn: don't know. i was assuming it was http://www.caraytech.com/geodns/ |
| 19:21.54 | stew | or similar |
| 19:22.20 | simonrvn | i'll google it. thanks |
| 19:22.34 | arosen | babilen: you still around? |
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| 19:22.46 | tharkun | arosen: upgrading to squeeze will put all the needed dependencies on your file system so you can upgrade to a newer kernel from there |
| 19:22.54 | karlpinc | arosen: You'd be best served by following the release notes to upgrade. |
| 19:22.56 | crodjer | stew: I was asking that some times back, I tried usb install, The installer used to try to look for a cd in mid configuration |
| 19:23.01 | tharkun | arosen: actually lenny bpo has the same kernel as squeeze |
| 19:23.09 | stew | crodjer: the current images fix this problem |
| 19:23.13 | crodjer | k |
| 19:23.16 | crodjer | thanks again |
| 19:23.28 | arosen | tharkun: which kernel version does that have? The newest i can find is 2.6.32-bpo.5-486 |
| 19:23.50 | PlagueRat | I imagine all the chat is about squeeze... however, I have a lenny problem. Trying to mkfs.ext3 on a 1 TB disk does a hard S5 shoutdown on my system. Where are the reasons logged ??? |
| 19:24.00 | tharkun | arosen: /msg judd kernel <-- that should tell you what kernels are where |
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| 19:24.16 | valdyn | PlagueRat: they are probably not |
| 19:24.24 | valdyn | PlagueRat: linux does not just shut down |
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| 19:24.35 | tharkun | arosen: but if you do need a newer kernel. Better to do it from squeeze than from lenny |
| 19:24.36 | valdyn | PlagueRat: hence it probably cant log the cause either |
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| 19:25.13 | arosen | tharkun: how do I get a newer kernel from squeeze the newest judd is telling me is 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 19:25.31 | PlagueRat | valdyn - I suspect it might be an overtemp shutdown on the southbridge ... I can reliably cause the machine to panic shutdown by doing any lengthy file transfer or formating on the SATA 1 TB disk |
| 19:25.42 | SARC | Hello, does anyone use and like FreeNX? We have been using NX from nomachine.org for some time now. Thinking about switching to the FreeNX. |
| 19:25.45 | valdyn | PlagueRat: so you already know the cause |
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| 19:26.00 | derik | i can se logs on crontab ? |
| 19:26.27 | deego | derik: I thought crontab emails you the logs. |
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| 19:26.30 | simonrvn | nice. so it's just adding support for geoip. |
| 19:26.38 | deego | derik: just joined, may have missed something |
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| 19:27.04 | PlagueRat | I said I suspect... I'd like to get confirmation... I have looked in /var/log/messages and it seems the last messages right during the shutdown are about imklog started and rsyslogd .... |
| 19:27.10 | karsten-nr | SARC: parts or all of that have recently been taken non-free, FYI. |
| 19:27.13 | tharkun | arosen: There are several options. Wait for someone to package it which might be the noob solution. Compile it from source (not so noob option). Compile from source and package it (expert option). It is indeed your option |
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| 19:27.18 | valdyn | PlagueRat: for something like this to be logged properly you would need proper hardware supporting this |
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| 19:27.37 | karsten-nr | SARC: I've never used it extensively myself. Usually use VNC or SSH-tunneled X11 sessions / clients. |
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| 19:27.39 | tharkun | arosen: did i mention option before ? |
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| 19:27.47 | PlagueRat | valdyn - okay... just hoping... maybe some acpi log or something |
| 19:27.49 | valdyn | PlagueRat: but as it is you can probably set up logging what your sensors see, thats all |
| 19:27.50 | arosen | tharkun: where would I go to find if someone has already compiled it for me? |
| 19:28.02 | sharp15 | how do i setup an encrypted partition without the lvm garbage? |
| 19:28.16 | PlagueRat | valdyn - never done that... new territory for me... hoping to get a few pointers ? |
| 19:28.18 | valdyn | PlagueRat: theres nothing unless you have ( very expensive ) "enterprise" hardware |
| 19:28.31 | tharkun | arosen: squeeze bpo but since squeeze was released 2 days ago i would expect a little time to have something newer there |
| 19:28.32 | PlagueRat | debian lenny 5.03 |
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| 19:28.43 | tharkun | arosen: what hw is not running properly ? |
| 19:28.56 | arosen | tharkun: ath5k module has some problem in adhoc mode. |
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| 19:29.05 | valdyn | PlagueRat: "watch sensors > logfile" ( also see man watch and try just sensors too see what you get there |
| 19:29.09 | arosen | And it is fixed in the newer kernels from what i'm reading from the bug reports. |
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| 19:29.36 | kjoller | btw, thanks petemc, The package was actually configured to do what I wanted when not being built on an ubuntu system. |
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| 19:30.05 | valdyn | PlagueRat: standard hardware will just shut down, but it wont report "hello, i got temp issues, shutting down", but you can still continously check temps |
| 19:30.18 | tharkun | arosen: hmm what can i tell you. There are two other options that i didn't mention before. 1.- Learn to live with the limitiations of your hw. 2.- Get some decent HW :D |
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| 19:30.36 | tharkun | hides |
| 19:30.50 | arosen | tharkun: I could compile it myself but the node i'm running this on is 500mhz and its going to take for ever to do that. |
| 19:31.08 | tharkun | arosen: yes and a half an hour extra too |
| 19:31.11 | arosen | Everything else i have is x86_64 so i would have to figure out how to compile it for 486 from that. |
| 19:31.11 | valdyn | PlagueRat: but even then, your sensors will not necessarily see that some internal check is failing and activating the shut down |
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| 19:31.37 | valdyn | PlagueRat: i mean , sensors only measure local temp, overheating though may happen somewhere else, even on that same cpu |
| 19:31.45 | PlagueRat | okay... sensors doesn't give me anything.. but I guess there is something in /proc/sys/class/thermal |
| 19:32.05 | tharkun | arosen: you can use a different machine to compile the kernel then you copy the compile environment to that particular machine and install it there |
| 19:32.07 | valdyn | PlagueRat: "sensors-detect" first |
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| 19:32.19 | babilen | arosen: Aren't you just in the process of upgrading to squeeze? You can install 2.6.37 from experimental if you want or wait until it is available in backports. (might be a while, has to go to sid first then bdo) -- Or compile a kernel yourself -- /msg dpkg make-kpkg -- https://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
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| 19:32.36 | PlagueRat | valdyn - bash command not found |
| 19:32.38 | derik | where i set maximum time for a process sleeping ? |
| 19:32.54 | arosen | babilen: yea i'll try to install 2.6.37 from experimental |
| 19:32.55 | babilen | arosen: If you go the "experimental" way, make sure you set squeeze as default repository in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 19:33.15 | jordanm | derik: I wouldn't think that you can |
| 19:33.36 | babilen | arosen: Ah, you're done with the upgrade? That is wonderful! |
| 19:33.40 | arosen | babilen: I followed your instructions for replacing all lenny with squeeze; then apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; |
| 19:33.50 | babilen | arosen: That was *not* my advice |
| 19:33.50 | arosen | Now how do i get to experimental? |
| 19:33.50 | PlagueRat | valdyn - do be more clear bash: sensors-detect: command not found |
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| 19:33.58 | derik | jordanm how i see what process are sleeping ? |
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| 19:34.01 | valdyn | PlagueRat: install it |
| 19:34.05 | valdyn | PlagueRat: package lm-sensors |
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| 19:34.12 | jordanm | derik: otherwise, anything that does multiplexed I/O |
| 19:34.13 | arosen | babilen: the message from dpkg i mean.. |
| 19:34.15 | PlagueRat | valdyn - thank you |
| 19:34.26 | jordanm | derik: err otherwise, anything that does multiplexed I/O would have major issue |
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| 19:34.38 | valdyn | PlagueRat: or you alreay have it, run as root... at /usr/sbin/sensors-detect |
| 19:35.04 | babilen | arosen: that was also not in the message from dpkg -- read it again! Make sure you upgrade your kernel and udev and that you run apt-get dist-upgrade ... Did you even look at the release notes? |
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| 19:35.21 | babilen | arosen: Or was it like "release notes" == "release noes" ? |
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| 19:36.27 | arosen | gotcha i still need to do apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev sorry. |
| 19:37.04 | tharkun | goes fixing his upgrade calendar |
| 19:37.13 | babilen | arosen: And reboot and the rest ... :) -- But really, follow the release notes. The process is explained in there and all the commands are given in there. |
| 19:37.44 | tharkun | babilen: if i buy you a beer would you upgrade all my desktops? |
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| 19:38.43 | babilen | tharkun: which beer? |
| 19:39.06 | babilen | tharkun: And how many desktops? |
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| 19:44.04 | tdn | How do I add another file as a swap file? |
| 19:44.15 | tdn | A local file on the filesystem. |
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| 19:45.09 | llutz | tdn: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-add-a-swap-file-howto/ |
| 19:45.36 | tdn | llutz, thanks. |
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| 19:47.26 | Flaim | howdy. I just upgraded to squeeze and am having trouble upgrading procps. Says it can't rename /bin/kill.. any thoughts? |
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| 19:47.55 | justin | Flaim: what does it say? |
| 19:47.56 | jordanm | Flaim: provide the actual output of the upgrade command |
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| 19:49.02 | Flaim | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/procps_1%3a3.2.8-9_amd64.deb (--unpack): unable to make backup link of `./bin/kill' before installing new version: Operation not permitted |
| 19:49.02 | dpkg | flaim: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 19:49.20 | Flaim | heh |
| 19:49.23 | justin | stupid bot :) |
| 19:49.43 | justin | Flaim: /bin isn't mounted read only or anything funny like that is it? |
| 19:49.47 | KipMacy | so if i install Debian with FreeBSD kernel, ZFS will magically work now ? |
| 19:49.51 | justin | KipMacy: yes |
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| 19:50.27 | justin | can't wait to purge opensolaris and use debian kfreebsd :) |
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| 19:50.44 | Flaim | no, I can create files in /bin just fine |
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| 19:51.33 | justin | lsattr /bin/kill show anything? |
| 19:51.56 | Flaim | # lsattr /bin/kill |
| 19:51.56 | Flaim | ----ia------------- /bin/kill |
| 19:52.02 | justin | there you go |
| 19:52.10 | jordanm | chattr -ia /bin/kill |
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| 19:52.38 | Ins|de | how can i deny the execution of certain commands for non-root users? |
| 19:53.18 | jordanm | Ins|de: give them root:root perms and take away execute ability to other |
| 19:53.23 | stew | Ins|de: chmod 775 then put the people who are allowed to execute into the group owning the file |
| 19:53.40 | jordanm | root:root ownership I mean |
| 19:53.46 | Flaim | hmm, wonder waht set that.. |
| 19:53.49 | justin | 750 |
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| 19:53.59 | stew | doh |
| 19:54.02 | stew | pardonme |
| 19:54.05 | arosen | babilen: ok its upgraded now. But when I type apt-get install linux-image-2.6.37-trunk-486 I get an error about unmet dependencies for linux-base and firmware-linux-free |
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| 19:54.25 | Ins|de | stew, jordanm: thank you! :) |
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| 19:55.39 | soczol | Flaim: could be that some kiddies managed to compromise your machine, it's a common tactic to then replace OS binaries with backdoored ones and setting 'chattr +ia' on them to make sure they aren't removed easily |
| 19:55.49 | babilen | arosen: Did you set the default release? and why do you want the -486 kernel? |
| 19:55.58 | soczol | Flaim: might want to do lsattr on whole /bin to see if any other files have those attributes set |
| 19:56.09 | Flaim | aye, a few of them do. |
| 19:56.38 | soczol | then I guess someone managed to compromise your box, assuming none of the admins set those attributes |
| 19:56.44 | arosen | babilen: I got it i needed to do -t experimental. (This is for an embedded system that is 486) |
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| 19:57.56 | babilen | arosen: And you set the default release? |
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| 19:58.25 | Flaim | well shit. |
| 19:58.49 | Flaim | :) thanks fokls |
| 19:59.00 | arosen | babilen: no i didn't. |
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| 19:59.11 | arosen | I didn't have a /etc/apt/preference for it. |
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| 19:59.43 | keith4 | how do I set my default file creation to 664 instead of 644? |
| 19:59.53 | soczol | Flaim: you might be better off reinstalling the whole box (after securing important 'user data' of course, which you should have backed up already :D) |
| 20:00.08 | stew | keith4: "umask 002" will set it for that shell |
| 20:00.31 | babilen | arosen: It is quite important that you do .. Please add 'APT::Default-Release "squeeze";' to /etc/apt/apt.conf and run aptitude update |
| 20:00.43 | babilen | arosen: (that is without the ' ') |
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| 20:01.07 | babilen | and create that file if you don't have it |
| 20:01.15 | keith4 | stew: oh duh. any way to set that so that scp and/or sftp will honor it, too? |
| 20:01.25 | marmotte | hi, does someone success to install the virtualbox 4 additions tools on a squeeze guest ? |
| 20:01.43 | babilen | arosen: Do you by chance use synaptic to manage packages? |
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| 20:02.01 | arosen | babilen: no just apt-get. |
| 20:02.12 | stew | babilen: are you telling him to do this because he added experimental? or does he have other non-squeeze sources? |
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| 20:03.26 | babilen | stew: just experimental so far, but i wanted to make sure it is set regardless of that to prevent havoc in the future if other changes are made. Do you see a problem with that? |
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| 20:03.49 | stew | keith4: i don't know, if you *aren't* using the internal sftp you can wrap that one. a better thing to do might be to use acls to accomlish whatever you are trying to accomplis |
| 20:03.58 | Flaim | soczol: aye, i may just. it's a hosted VM, so i could just create a new instance and migrate.. easy peasey. heh |
| 20:04.31 | stew | babilen: well, experimental doesn't need it because its not-automatic (and will be pinned at one). there is a downside when he forgets about that when upgrading to wheezy |
| 20:04.44 | stew | babilen: well, when he tries to upgrade to wheezy and is ignoring the release notes, i guess |
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| 20:05.03 | babilen | stew: True. Well, I guess it is not necessary. |
| 20:05.08 | stew | babilen: (and I'm thinking out loud as much as anything) |
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| 20:05.17 | babilen | arosen: ^^^ |
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| 20:06.02 | arosen | I'm hopping that I don't really have to go to experimental. I'm compiling a newer version of compat-wireless which may fix my problem expect that its taking for ever to build since i'm doing it on this 500mhz embedded node. |
| 20:06.07 | babilen | arosen: Basically your decision. Not absolutely necessary, but you should set it if you think about adding wheezy or sid in the future. But you should be fine. |
| 20:06.17 | stew | how about we all just agree to stick to squeeze sources :) |
| 20:06.31 | babilen | stew: :-þ |
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| 20:07.50 | marmotte | hum, someone can help me to install vbox4 addons in my squeeze guest ? |
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| 20:09.31 | jordanm | marmotte: aptitude install virtualbox-ose-guest-modules |
| 20:09.31 | keith4 | stew: yah, i was trying to avoid ACLs here. but that's probably easier than teaching users how to set file modes so that their fellow users can access them |
| 20:09.35 | jordanm | marmotte: otherwise #vbox |
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| 20:10.20 | marmotte | @jordam : ok I will try |
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| 20:12.03 | stew | keith4: there are hacks you can do with ssh, like using a wrapper around the external sftp server (if you don't want the chroot capability of the internal one). i don't know about scp |
| 20:12.23 | simonrvn | most irc clients have what's called highlighting. that silly @ stuff isn't needed. |
| 20:12.28 | marmotte | @jordanm : ok in progress, thanks a lot ;) |
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| 20:13.15 | rudi_s | marmotte: No @, just jordanm: .. |
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| 20:13.25 | marmotte | ok |
| 20:13.28 | ibrahim | when i install debian, do i need to install also the drivers as in windows or ...? |
| 20:14.03 | jordanm | ibrahim: no, drivers are included but some may require non-free firmware (wifi) |
| 20:15.15 | ibrahim | i have a hp computer, because i installed windows many times, i also downloaded the drivers for windows also. but now i am about to install debian to all the hdd. but i am not sure if i need to install the drivers on debian too. |
| 20:15.27 | ibrahim | jordanm, how do i know which of them is non-free? |
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| 20:16.13 | jordanm | ibrahim: you will know when something doesn't work |
| 20:16.15 | bow4it | I realize 4.0 is no longer supported, and outdated, but I need to install ssh...I added "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian etch main" to /etc/apt/sources.list, and do "apt-get install openssh-server" but it tells me that openssh-server has no install candidates. How can i get ssh installed on 4.0? |
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| 20:16.33 | jordanm | !archives |
| 20:16.33 | dpkg | methinks archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 20:17.27 | jordanm | !snapshot |
| 20:17.27 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 20:17.41 | ibrahim | is there a way to see all things going well when i installed debian, about the drivers-debian? jordanm? |
| 20:17.49 | jeremym | in squeeze why is there a /etc/samba and a /usr/share/samba |
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| 20:18.13 | jordanm | ibrahim: yeah, if it works you can assume its not broken |
| 20:18.25 | ibrahim | ok then. |
| 20:18.27 | jeremym | both have a different smb.conf file but the smb daemon uses /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 20:18.34 | ibrahim | i hope i can connect to internet. |
| 20:18.36 | ibrahim | ;D |
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| 20:19.40 | stew | jeremym: its common for packages to store default copies of config files which aren't conffiles in /usr/share somewhere, you might read the samba-common postinst scipt and see it cpoying that to /etc/samba on fresh installs |
| 20:20.19 | ibrahim | this is my 2nd installing of debian. but this time, i am not coming back. |
| 20:20.32 | jeremym | where would the post install script be located |
| 20:20.39 | stew | er not just fresh installs, it uses it for a 3 way merge on upgrased using ucf |
| 20:20.49 | stew | jeremym: /var/lib/dpkg/info/samba-common.postinst |
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| 20:21.52 | aguitel | how choose fastest mirror in squeeze? |
| 20:21.56 | jeremym | stew, yea it is copying it to /usr/share/samba/smb.conf but what is the point of doing that do you know? |
| 20:22.29 | stew | jeremym: "man ucf" should give you an idea |
| 20:22.33 | jeremym | ok |
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| 20:22.50 | eikenberry | aguitel. check out netselect-apt |
| 20:23.01 | keith4 | stew: FYI: think i'll give this a try http://jeff.robbins.ws/articles/setting-the-umask-for-sftp-transactions |
| 20:24.21 | eikenberry | aguitel. After installing the netselect-apt package just run something like... |
| 20:24.25 | kjoller | Hmm.. Is there some easy way to check which flags a package is built with? According to debian/rules, --disable-faac should be enabled, but the resulting package still depends on libfaac0. Should dependencies be set manually somewhere? |
| 20:24.41 | eikenberry | sudo netselect-apt -s -o ./sources.list stable |
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| 20:25.20 | stew | kjoller: is there an explicit dependency in debian/control? |
| 20:25.47 | kjoller | stew only place I can find it is in the build-deps. |
| 20:26.03 | aguitel | eikenberry, it write new sources.list ? |
| 20:26.18 | stew | kjoller: if you run ldd on the resulting binary, does it list faac? |
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| 20:26.32 | keith4 | stew: and fwiw, this changes the umask for sftp, but not scp |
| 20:26.34 | eikenberry | aguitel. It will overwrite your system sources.list if you don't provide it with '-o file'. |
| 20:26.57 | stew | keith4: yup |
| 20:27.04 | jeremym | ah ok so ucf will provide the defualt files in /usr/share if you do not wish to merge them...however it will always put them in /usr/share if its updating something found in /etc/ |
| 20:27.13 | eikenberry | aguitel. I prefer to output it to a tmp file to review it. |
| 20:27.27 | aguitel | eikenberry, ok |
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| 20:28.19 | DelphiWorld | hi guys |
| 20:28.25 | DelphiWorld | while using module_assistant |
| 20:28.30 | DelphiWorld | what'd the command to use for prepare? |
| 20:28.32 | kjoller | stew: it does. Then the flag isn't being enabled (or is not working), right? |
| 20:28.37 | DelphiWorld | m-prepare or something like |
| 20:28.44 | DelphiWorld | i lost it |
| 20:28.52 | xyan | m-a prepare |
| 20:28.54 | stew | kjoller: sounds like it |
| 20:29.00 | kjoller | sigh |
| 20:29.05 | stew | jordanm: no, the package is putting it in /usr/share no matter what |
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| 20:29.24 | DelphiWorld | stew, do you know it? |
| 20:29.28 | kjoller | I will try again tomorrow. Now, off to sleep. |
| 20:29.35 | stew | DelphiWorld: m-a prepare |
| 20:29.45 | DelphiWorld | wow thanks stew |
| 20:30.02 | kjoller | stew: But thanks for the help, nonetheless :) |
| 20:30.37 | stew | kjoller: take it out of the build-depends, remove the -dev package, rebuild and see what happens? |
| 20:30.45 | stew | kjoller: show us the debian/rules and the build log? |
| 20:31.21 | jelly-home | hey, does squeeze d-i deal with 4KiB sector alignment? |
| 20:31.36 | jelly-home | jus' askin' <g> |
| 20:32.09 | Ins|de | soczol, did you had to change your lxc init script? as far as i saw it seems to look for configuration files all in the same directory, and i have them inside the container folder |
| 20:33.02 | soczol | Ins|de: nope not yet, hadn't gotten that far yet :) |
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| 20:33.18 | soczol | Ins|de: I was fighting with 'lxc-attach' and 'lxc-execute' which wouldn't work on my kernel |
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| 20:35.29 | paradoxmonkey | Do dell servers require special drivers to regulate the fans under debian? |
| 20:36.34 | ndnihil | paradoxmonkey: none of the dell servers I have require it, the only issue I've ever run into with dell and debian is lack of perc5 in the default install of etch |
| 20:37.29 | Ins|de | soczol, oh ok, i'll look into it, i found a custom init script for that, but didn't try it yet. i'm starting with my first virtualization setup :) |
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| 20:37.45 | soczol | Ins|de: heh, good luck then! :) |
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| 20:38.26 | bow4it | ok so..to install packages from snapshot / archive, I put "deb http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian etch main" in my sources.list? |
| 20:38.38 | paradoxmonkey | ndnihil: so the dell bios slows down the fans after POST? I have a PE 2600 and the fans are always fully on. |
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| 20:39.08 | paradoxmonkey | ndnihil: I tried with omsa, cpufreq and govenors |
| 20:39.17 | themill | stew: oh? when did ftp.d.o get geodns? Last I heard DSA were dead against it. Does that mean that using ftp.d.o is no longer such a bad thing to do? (/msg dpkg ftp.debian.org) |
| 20:39.40 | soczol | Ins|de: might want to ask in #lxcontainers too, although not that many people ther :) |
| 20:39.48 | soczol | *there |
| 20:40.10 | SARC | I am modifying sudoers using visudo, tryingto add a group that has spaces in the name... I thought you escaped spaces with a "\ " but it is not working. |
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| 20:40.33 | stew | themill: i don't know when it happened. i was suprised by it recently. and yes, DSA are against it. they are also against another working solution which is cdn.debian.net |
| 20:40.37 | Ins|de | soczol, thanks, hah cool, i was in #lxc but its quiet in there! |
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| 20:41.02 | stew | themill: hmm |
| 20:41.03 | ansgar | themill: dig NS ftp.debian.org â geo{1,2,3}.debian.org are nameservers for it which sounds like geodns is used. |
| 20:41.26 | stew | themill: though i'm getting kassia, which suprises me. what ip do you get? |
| 20:41.29 | frikinz | SARC: no space is allowed.. |
| 20:42.02 | themill | stew: I made the mistake of using cdn.d.n with google dns the other day. kassia3.snt.utwente.nl |
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| 20:42.09 | stew | ansgar: its definitely geodns, "dig TXT ftp.debian.org' gets different views for different people |
| 20:42.19 | stew | themill: what do you get for A and TXT? |
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| 20:42.56 | ibrahim | os, it's the time. |
| 20:43.00 | ibrahim | wish me luck. |
| 20:43.01 | ibrahim | :) |
| 20:43.10 | themill | stew: "EU view" 130.89.149.226 |
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| 20:43.29 | stew | themill: yeah, so i'm not sure sure, that's kassia as well |
| 20:43.31 | SARC | frikinz: incorrect. spaces are allowed, and it worked the second time i tried it |
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| 20:43.47 | frikinz | SARC: ah then sudoers group. i thought unix group |
| 20:44.21 | stew | themill: so yeah, i think it should probably still not be used |
| 20:44.36 | stew | too bad if they already have the infastructure in place |
| 20:45.07 | themill | stew: yeah, both north american and european servers are being sent to .nl for ftp.d.o. |
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| 20:45.58 | stew | ok, who is in .au or .jp :) |
| 20:46.03 | stew | or .za or something? |
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| 20:47.18 | themill | stew: in .au => "OC view", 130.89.149.226 |
| 20:47.42 | KipMacy | why would someone use opendns? |
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| 20:48.43 | paradoxmonkey | KipMacy what's wrong with opendns? |
| 20:48.50 | h3po | hi there |
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| 20:50.54 | arosen | How can I tell which services are set to startup during boot? |
| 20:51.13 | streuner_ | dpkg, listvals services |
| 20:51.15 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'services' by value (15 of 98): basix ;; courier ;; gnunet ;; kerberos ;; last.fm ;; rfc1107 ;; rfc1261 ;; rfc1270 ;; rfc1309 ;; rfc2213 ;; rfc2219 ;; rfc369 ;; rfc722 ;; unstable security ;; why an mta. |
| 20:51.35 | streuner_ | dpkg, listkeys services |
| 20:51.37 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'services' by key (3): #debian services ;; services ;; _default services. |
| 20:51.41 | sharp15 | is there a way to tell what software is on each of the ISOs without downloading them? |
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| 20:51.47 | streuner_ | dpkg, services |
| 20:51.47 | dpkg | [services] To view and alter system services, use one or more of <rcconf>, <sysv-rc-conf>, <update-rc.d>; or use ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/ . The /etc/services file provides a port numbers list, which is updated from http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers and other sources. |
| 20:52.02 | troubleshooter69 | ok i've got a box where df tells me i've got space, but i get errors consistent with a full disk and mysql says no space left....i'm trying to see if something's open but not done writing yet but have no lsof....how do i find out what files are open in memory, etc? |
| 20:52.08 | stew | sharp15: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 20:52.19 | sharp15 | stew: thanks. |
| 20:52.44 | Bushmills | arosen: ls /etc/rc2.d/S* , or 3. look with runlevel or in inittab what runlevel your system boots into |
| 20:53.02 | stew | troubleshooter69: in "df -h" what are the "Size, Used, Avail" for that filesystem? |
| 20:53.22 | stew | Bushmills: are you in asia? |
| 20:53.44 | arosen | Bushmills: I have /etc/rc3.d/S16ssh there but it seems like its not starting for me anymore... I put /etc/init.d/ssh start in my rc.local to make it start. |
| 20:53.44 | troubleshooter69 | stew: size 4gb, used 2gb, avail 1.7, 56% used |
| 20:53.48 | Bushmills | because of lag? |
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| 20:54.04 | csabo | afternoon folks, someone told me ZFS support is in debian 6? is this true |
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| 20:54.09 | KipMacy | paradoxmonkey: im just wondering... why. whats wrong with using DNS ? you know the dns the rest of us use? |
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| 20:54.45 | stew | Bushmills: no because I'm wondering what "host -t TXT ftp.debian.org ; host -t A ftp.debian.org" returns |
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| 20:54.45 | grogo | Hey ppl! Where I can download debian/freebsd(kernel) iso? |
| 20:54.52 | jhutchins_lt | Does Amarok no longer have device management features? |
| 20:54.53 | stew | Bushmills: (it returns different values for different people around the world, and I'm curious about asia) |
| 20:54.53 | Bushmills | stew: sorry, no. europe |
| 20:55.13 | stew | grogo: go to debian.org and click on "getting debian" |
| 20:55.19 | ansgar | grogo: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst, choose kfreebsd-i386 or kfreebsd-amd64. |
| 20:55.24 | stew | Bushmills: nm :) |
| 20:55.36 | Bushmills | WormFood is in asia, i think |
| 20:56.04 | stew | right! |
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| 20:56.13 | grogo | ansgar: thanks! does it works as normal linux? all programs from linux can be run on debian/kfreebsd? |
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| 20:57.03 | ansgar | grogo: It's a bit different, but most programs should work. I've never really tried it myself so I cannot say much. |
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| 20:59.28 | troubleshooter69 | ok so i guess i could reboot and maybe that would write the file to disk or whatever, but i'm curious if there's some sort of alternative to lsof to show me which files are being used and how big they are |
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| 20:59.46 | troubleshooter69 | i'd use lsof except i can't install packages on account of the disk space issue |
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| 21:00.44 | justin | troubleshooter69: sure you are looking at the right filesystem in DF? |
| 21:00.48 | troubleshooter69 | something in /proc maybe? |
| 21:00.56 | justin | df does not count deleted-but-open files as free |
| 21:01.09 | justin | so if df is really showing 56% used, you should have free space |
| 21:01.16 | Kendall | i mistakenly uninstalled SSH from a debian 4.0 install --when I try to do "apt-get install ssh" it fails saying no candidate is found. I added http://snapshot.debian.org/debian to my sources.list --still no candidates. can someone please enlighten me as to the fastest/easiest way to get SSH installed again? |
| 21:01.39 | troubleshooter69 | justin: so this could be a fs issue? |
| 21:01.49 | LtL | Kendall: try openssh |
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| 21:02.07 | justin | troubleshooter69: sure you are looking at the right filesystem? |
| 21:02.14 | justin | openssh is a metapackage |
| 21:02.19 | troubleshooter69 | justin: definitely |
| 21:02.19 | justin | Kendall: do you have another etch box? |
| 21:02.23 | stew | Kendall: /msg dpkg etch sources.list |
| 21:02.26 | justin | troubleshooter69: is that a VM or something? |
| 21:02.33 | troubleshooter69 | justin: yessir |
| 21:02.52 | Kendall | LtL: openssh-server also gives "no candidates". there is another 4.0 box, somewhere, I think, but heck if I know where it is |
| 21:03.22 | LtL | Kendall: try apt-cache search ssh |
| 21:03.41 | justin | troubleshooter69: du -acx / | egrep "^[0-9]{5}" |sort -n show anything useful? |
| 21:03.42 | stew | LtL: we know the packagename to be openssh-server |
| 21:03.57 | daemonkeeper | LtL: You noticed, Kendall is talking about etch? |
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| 21:04.20 | LtL | stew: ok, I've butted in here, etch got it. Sorry Kendall |
| 21:04.21 | paradoxmonkey | ndnihil: could it be that the server cover is open? |
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| 21:05.04 | daemonkeeper | (Although it might be a bad idea to run a server with Etch) |
| 21:05.27 | sylar | anyone knows if gnuplot can use hardware acceleration? |
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| 21:05.33 | qjcg | when preseeding, anyone know if i can create more than one user using "d-i passwd/username..." ? |
| 21:05.44 | ndnihil | paradoxmonkey: could be that your servers are simply running hot and need the cooling. have you checked the hvac in your server room? |
| 21:06.00 | Kendall | stew: so you advise to put the info from /msg dpkg in my sources.list --and it should work? |
| 21:06.08 | daemonkeeper | Yes |
| 21:06.18 | stew | Kendall: yes, and get rid of snapshot.debian.org |
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| 21:06.33 | troubleshooter69 | justin: nah....nothing stands outs....and the total equals the used portion of the fs according to df |
| 21:06.46 | Kendall | stew: thanks, ill try that |
| 21:06.48 | justin | qjcg: doubt it, but you can always run custom commands at the end to add users |
| 21:07.12 | stew | troubleshooter69: are you sure you are looking at the right fs? |
| 21:07.17 | justin | stew: lol |
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| 21:07.26 | justin | troubleshooter69: what exactly was the message you were getting? |
| 21:07.33 | troubleshooter69 | stew: yess |
| 21:07.34 | qjcg | justin: yep, i was looking at preseed/late_command if the first method doesn't work |
| 21:07.54 | stew | troubleshooter69: errors in dmesg? is it mounted rw according to "mount"? |
| 21:07.56 | Kendall | stew: any other suggestions incase that fails? I tried downloading the openssh-server .deb and installing it, but I didn't get the right version to satisfy dependicies of my installed packages |
| 21:07.58 | troubleshooter69 | justin: # man du |
| 21:07.58 | troubleshooter69 | man: can't create a temporary filename: No space left on device |
| 21:08.09 | paradoxmonkey | ndnihil: the temp is not a problem omsa reports 29C |
| 21:08.11 | justin | troubleshooter69: df -h /tmp ? |
| 21:08.21 | troubleshooter69 | yep, mounted rw, errors in dmesg related to no space left |
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| 21:08.44 | justin | troubleshooter69: df -i / ? |
| 21:08.52 | troubleshooter69 | justin: /tmp is on the same mount as / which is where my problem exists |
| 21:08.58 | stew | Kendall: you downloaded which version of openssh-server? |
| 21:09.06 | troubleshooter69 | oh now that's interesting, man |
| 21:09.23 | l_r | how fast is the debian 6 boot process compared to ubuntu? (out of the box) |
| 21:09.26 | thewanderer1 | troubleshooter69: so now you need to do everything as root since only root can access the reserved disk resources... |
| 21:09.40 | troubleshooter69 | thewanderer1: yep root already |
| 21:09.44 | stew | l_r: it depends on what packages you've installed |
| 21:09.46 | thewanderer1 | l_r: get 2 virtual machines and test :P |
| 21:09.52 | justin | troubleshooter69: you out of inodes? |
| 21:09.59 | troubleshooter69 | justin: yea |
| 21:10.06 | thewanderer1 | so... delete some crap! |
| 21:10.20 | Kendall | stew: openssh_5-8p1-1, but dpkg -i failed depency checks (needed newer version of some libraries than I have installed) |
| 21:10.37 | stew | judd: versions openssh-server |
| 21:10.39 | judd | Package openssh-server on i386 -- lenny: 1:5.1p1-5; sid: 1:5.5p1-6; squeeze: 1:5.5p1-6; wheezy: 1:5.5p1-6; experimental: 1:5.8p1-1 |
| 21:11.07 | stew | Kendall: yes, becuase you didnt download a version for etch |
| 21:11.23 | troubleshooter69 | justin: thanks! |
| 21:11.34 | stew | Kendall: the dependencies for that version would not be satisfyable on etch |
| 21:11.49 | thewanderer1 | does `iptables -F` delete all user-defined tables? |
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| 21:12.22 | stew | thewanderer1: no, just clears them |
| 21:12.28 | stew | thewanderer1: err |
| 21:12.32 | stew | thewanderer1: do you mean chains? |
| 21:12.36 | thewanderer1 | yes... |
| 21:12.46 | stew | thewanderer1: no, it clears them, and the remain existant and empty |
| 21:12.57 | thewanderer1 | oh great... |
| 21:12.59 | ekra | -F, --flush [chain] Flush the selected chain (all the chains in the table if none is given). This is equivalent to deleting all the rules one by one. |
| 21:13.17 | stew | thewanderer1: you have to -X to delete them |
| 21:13.36 | thewanderer1 | ok... |
| 21:14.19 | SARC | ntpdate <server_ip> worked flawlessly under lenny, now it wont work, saying "ntpdate[4555]: no server suitable for synchronization found". Did something change with the new release? |
| 21:14.44 | stew | !ntpdate |
| 21:14.45 | dpkg | ntpdate is an obsolete and unmaintained program to set a system clock via <NTP>. Just install the ntp package instead. Since Lenny, ntp's default configuration files (NTPD_OPTS='-g' in /etc/default/ntp, 'iburst' option for default servers in /etc/ntp.conf) make ntpdate unnecessary. See also <why not ntpdate>. |
| 21:15.39 | SARC | stew: so the full ntp package will sync as a client like ntpdate did? |
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| 21:16.14 | stew | SARC: no, it will just keep you in sync always |
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| 21:18.11 | SARC | stew: ph wow, major fail when attempting to install ntp |
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| 21:19.45 | zerohero | i took one of those debian live iso's and wrote it to my usb stick |
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| 21:20.10 | stew | SARC: if you need help with that, show us |
| 21:20.13 | zerohero | but after grub it said it couldn't find a kernel and gave me the boot: prompt |
| 21:20.29 | zerohero | are the live iso's not hybrid iso's atm? |
| 21:20.48 | thewanderer1 | does Debian have xtables in the kernel by default? |
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| 21:21.08 | tables | what package do i install to get flash on iceweasel? |
| 21:21.21 | stew | thewanderer1: CONFIG_NETFILTER_XTABLES=m |
| 21:21.24 | jhutchins_lt | tables: relese/arch? |
| 21:21.40 | SARC | stew: http://debian.pastebin.com/C12xEn4J |
| 21:22.01 | Kendall | stew: I added the info from /msg dpkg etch but everytime I run "apt-get install openssh-server" is always complains that my deps. aren't up to date |
| 21:22.09 | tables | jhutchins_lt, whatever is netinstall |
| 21:22.10 | thewanderer1 | stew: hmm, does that imply having "xtables-addons" installed as well? |
| 21:22.15 | tables | i think the stable arch |
| 21:22.28 | Kendall | stew: i did apt-get update and apt-get -f install openssh-server but no change |
| 21:22.38 | stew | SARC: looks like your nx init scripts (which didnt' come from debian) are broken |
| 21:22.51 | jhutchins_lt | tables: Kind of depends on when you installed it. Squeeze was released as stable this weekend. |
| 21:23.02 | stew | SARC: you'll have to get fixed ones, or purge them or fix their LSB headers |
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| 21:23.14 | ElDiabolo | tables, flashplayer-nonfree iirc |
| 21:23.18 | jhutchins_lt | tables: as far as architecture, you should know if you have i386 or amd64. |
| 21:23.20 | SARC | nx from nomachine is absolute garbage.... ive never had good luck with it |
| 21:23.47 | thewanderer1 | I happen to need the xtables-addons module but with a non-modular Linux kernel... |
| 21:23.47 | thewanderer1 | so module-assistant won't help me much |
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| 21:24.53 | Kendall | is there a way to cross reference the dependicies on a package to figure out which version I need so I can just download the .deb and stop messing with apt-get ? |
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| 21:25.26 | jhutchins_lt | tables: http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 21:25.32 | tables | got it guys, i just used the deb (ubuntu) on adobe's site |
| 21:25.33 | stew | Kendall: "apt-get --print-uris install packagename" would tell you, but then you might as well just install it |
| 21:25.39 | tables | and dpkg -i'd it |
| 21:25.51 | stew | tables: we'd strongly discourage you from doing that |
| 21:27.02 | Kendall | stew: I can't install it; apt-get always fails on openssh-server because it's trying to install the latest release, and its dependicies don't match my system |
| 21:27.30 | stew | Kendall: show us the output of "apt-cache policy openssh-server" |
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| 21:28.02 | stew | Kendall: oh, this is becuase you tried to dpkg -i the one from experimental probably. you didn't add experimental to sources.list, did you? |
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| 21:29.04 | SARC | stew: i (thought) i had uninstalled nx by dpkg -P nxserver, node, and client |
| 21:29.15 | SARC | and reran apt for ntp but its giving the same error |
| 21:29.47 | Kendall | openssh-server: Installed: 1:5.8p1-1 |
| 21:29.49 | Kendall | Candidate: 1:5.8p1-1 |
| 21:29.49 | Kendall | Versoin Table *** 1:5.8p1-1 0 |
| 21:29.49 | Kendall | 100 /var/lib/dpkgs/status |
| 21:29.49 | Kendall | 1:4.3p2-9etch 0 |
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| 21:30.12 | stew | SARC: see if some package owns the broken files with "dpkg -S /etc/init.d/whatever" |
| 21:30.31 | jelly-home | someone is trying to skip releases |
| 21:30.48 | Kendall | stew: http://paste.debian.net/106805/ |
| 21:30.59 | stew | jelly-home: he removed openssh-server from etch by mistake and didn't know how to get it back so he somehow tried the version from experimental |
| 21:31.10 | jelly-home | fun? |
| 21:31.19 | jelly-home | !etch sources.list |
| 21:31.20 | dpkg | i heard etch sources.list is "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main contrib non-free". But realise that Etch has not had security support since February 2010 and that you should upgrade to a newer release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>. |
| 21:31.32 | SARC | stew : dpkg: /etc/init.d/nxserver not found. |
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| 21:32.28 | stew | Kendall: i'd try "dpkg -r openssh-server" first, then try apt-get install again |
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| 21:32.42 | Kendall | stew: ok, one sec, I just uninstalled it |
| 21:32.52 | stew | Kendall: or "apt-get install openssh-server=1:4.3p2-9etch" |
| 21:33.22 | SARC | stew : purged it again, deleted the NX directory and it worked |
| 21:33.59 | AbuDhabi | Hello. I have a question: How do I view/save the output I get when the system boots? |
| 21:34.00 | Kendall | stew: apt-get says: Version 1:4.3p2-9etch for openssh-server was not found" |
| 21:34.09 | AbuDhabi | I've tried dmesg, but that's not the same thing. |
| 21:34.34 | stew | i see it right therre though |
| 21:34.47 | stew | AbuDhabi: /msg dpkg bootlog |
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| 21:35.41 | Kendall | stew: I did apt-get update and then tried to install the version you provided, and it still says it's not found |
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| 21:35.52 | Kendall | stew: do you have a link I can just download the .deb and install that? |
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| 21:36.17 | AbuDhabi | stew: Thank you. |
| 21:37.02 | stew | Kendall: apt-get --print-uris install openssh-server |
| 21:37.22 | stew | but i still think "apt-get install openssh-server" would work |
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| 21:38.11 | Kendall | stew: apt-get --print-uris openssh-server gives "Package openssh-server has no insallation candidate" |
| 21:38.32 | stew | Kendall: do you have an apt_preferences? |
| 21:38.38 | stew | err /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 21:38.41 | Kendall | ls |
| 21:38.53 | Kendall | stew: yes |
| 21:38.59 | stew | Kendall: can you show us the contents? |
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| 21:40.22 | SimonS | hi everyone, someone there with any experience running debian on embedded systems... just installing squeeze on an old pda |
| 21:40.39 | Kendall | stew: http://paste.debian.net/106806/ |
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| 21:41.44 | stew | Kendall: yeah, you said there "don't install stuff from debian unless it is woody or unstable" and you don't have (and shouldn't have) sources for either |
| 21:41.49 | tuvwx | doesn't /bin/sh understand 'rm x.{aaa,bbb}' ? |
| 21:42.02 | stew | Kendall: just delete that file, apt-get update, and probably everything will be fixed |
| 21:42.16 | kingsley | Which command line utility, if any, can generate a pure tone at a certain frequency, and at a certain dB level? |
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| 21:43.42 | justin | kingsley: http://tinycode.com/tonegen.tar.gz can do that sort of thing |
| 21:44.01 | justin | haven't used it in years.. used it use one of the example scripts to dial my phone |
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| 21:44.21 | Kendall | stew: awesome! it worked. Thank you so much, and sorry for the trouble --I've never used debian before, I was a bit out of my element |
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| 21:44.49 | stew | Kendall: so you really should be upgrading this box to lenny, since etch is no longer supported (/msg dpkg etch->lenny) |
| 21:45.31 | Kendall | stew: if it stays up, I certainly will, but right now I just need data off it |
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| 21:46.25 | kingsley | justin: I'm checking it out. |
| 21:46.34 | ElDiabolo | Kendall, and there are things like the exim vulnerability (not 100% that it affects etch), that really need to get patched. |
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| 21:46.52 | daemonkeeper | Kendall: Well, its not that Etch would be deprecated since 1-2 days. :) |
| 21:47.17 | Kendall | ahh well...now ssh is installed..but now I can't ssh in :-P it says "connection reset by peer" I dont get prompted for a password or anything |
| 21:47.32 | SimonS | try ssh -vv for verbose output |
| 21:47.38 | stew | more like deprecated for almost a year |
| 21:47.44 | stew | security support ended for it a year ago |
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| 21:48.16 | stew | Kendall: check /var/log/auth.log or /msg dpkg debug sshd |
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| 21:48.28 | daemonkeeper | That's what I mean. And even its successor, Lenny is not the top of the hill anymore. |
| 21:48.40 | daemonkeeper | Although there is still support for a while |
| 21:48.48 | ndnihil | heh, I still run sarge on this workstation |
| 21:48.48 | stew | for 1 year |
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| 21:50.10 | Corin | This is kind of a dumb question but... |
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| 21:50.47 | Corin | Where do I download an ISO image for 6.0 with KDE? |
| 21:50.58 | Kendall | looks like it's just a key error from re-installing openssh, it created a new key. the machine I'm ssh'ing from wants me to add the key to known_hosts. do i just paste the RSA fingerprint? |
| 21:51.24 | daemonkeeper | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/6.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.0-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 21:51.28 | daemonkeeper | Feel free to replace arch |
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| 21:52.04 | justin | Corin: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0-live/i386/bt-hybrid/debian-live-6.0.0-i386-kde-desktop.iso.torrent |
| 21:52.30 | Corin | The first one works. |
| 21:52.33 | Corin | Thanks, daemonkeeper. |
| 21:52.33 | jhutchins | Kendall: It should offer to add the key automatically, although you might have to delete it manually. |
| 21:53.03 | justin | Corin: unless you just want the normal netinstall image, which will install kde too |
| 21:53.04 | daemonkeeper | Corin: Mind this is for AMD64 though, that is what you want? |
| 21:53.12 | Corin | Yes. |
| 21:53.26 | Corin | That's exactly what I wanted. |
| 21:53.42 | daemonkeeper | Great |
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| 21:53.50 | daemonkeeper | Nonetheless justin is right. |
| 21:53.57 | Corin | Net install image, justin? |
| 21:54.07 | Kendall | jhutchins: thanks for that, I had a brain fart |
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| 21:54.20 | daemonkeeper | Yes, he means you can install from every source media you want, just install kde afterwards. |
| 21:54.34 | Corin | Oh. |
| 21:54.40 | Corin | Nah. |
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| 21:55.23 | daemonkeeper | !tell Corin install kde4 |
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| 21:55.33 | Corin | ??? |
| 21:55.37 | daemonkeeper | !tell Corin about install kde4 |
| 21:55.39 | Coded1 | hello all |
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| 21:58.34 | Coded1 | I have a dell inspiron 6000 that was given to me for free, trying to do an netinst on it but the install prompts for firmware for ipw2200, going by these instructions http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200#InstallationviaDebianInstaller I need to do "apt-get update" as part of it but of course I won't have internet access until the driver/firmware is loaded, any tips? |
| 21:58.37 | niteye | which repository do i need to add so i can upgrade to 6.0 with just "dist-upgrade" ? |
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| 21:58.47 | thewanderer1 | when a message hits the kernel buffer, what is responsible for saving it to a log file? and where do I find it |
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| 21:59.35 | valdyn | thewanderer1: the syslog daemon |
| 21:59.58 | thewanderer1 | valdyn: so... the daemon reads the message from dmesg, or uses Netlink or what? I'm running rsyslogd btw. |
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| 22:00.37 | jhutchins | thewanderer1: /var/log/dmesg |
| 22:00.50 | valdyn | thewanderer1: surely something in /dev |
| 22:00.56 | deuterium | hi all. does anybody know a site with downloadable xen-appliance of debian 6.0? |
| 22:00.59 | valdyn | thewanderer1: theres no other way |
| 22:01.09 | thewanderer1 | valdyn: well, that or syscalls... |
| 22:01.21 | valdyn | thewanderer1: theoretically |
| 22:01.21 | daemonkeeper | deuterium: Appliance in what sense? |
| 22:01.24 | h3po | could somebody please point me to a tutorial where i can learn to configure some binary as a service and where to put the config files/binary etc? i just compiled psybnc but it is all in the same folder and i don't want to leave it where it is |
| 22:01.30 | valdyn | thewanderer1: practically that would be silly |
| 22:01.50 | deuterium | daemonkeeper: image that can be run as a xen domU |
| 22:02.00 | xyan | Coded1: there are unofficial install images with firmware here http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/ |
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| 22:02.13 | Coded1 | xyan thanks! |
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| 22:02.24 | xyan | Coded1: er not images, just put the firmware.tar.gz on a usb stick |
| 22:02.31 | thewanderer1 | and what's a good event correlator? something that would notice a few events happening on the system and alert me if they are close enough time-wise... |
| 22:02.38 | mister_m | What are the advantages of a freeBSD kernel over a linux kernel? |
| 22:02.48 | xyan | Coded1: the installer should find the needed firmware by itself (didnt try this method but i heard its working) |
| 22:02.52 | thewanderer1 | mister_m: if you don't know this, you're probably better off with Linux :) |
| 22:03.02 | mister_m | thewanderer1, but I would like to know |
| 22:03.05 | daemonkeeper | deuterium: Debian runs out of the box. Special xm netboot images are available on http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/netboot/xen/. Please note, I don't know whether they are already updated to honor Squeeze |
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| 22:03.24 | thewanderer1 | mister_m: you should refer to the FreeBSD manual for a description of kernel features and options |
| 22:03.25 | jhutchins | mister_m: If you know freebsd, the freebsd kernel is more familiar. |
| 22:03.34 | valdyn | mister_m: pf and zfs |
| 22:03.46 | jhutchins | thewanderer1: Look at Intrusion Detection Systems. |
| 22:03.55 | valdyn | mister_m: other than that probably nothing except some very special use cases |
| 22:05.03 | deuterium | daemonkeeper: thanks. i was thinking of sth like http://stacklet.com/downloads/images/xen/debian/6.0/x86-64 . but these are payware for unknown reason. |
| 22:05.03 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins: sure... how about event correlator, though? Snort is unlikely to detect, for example, an OOM situation I guess... |
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| 22:05.28 | jhutchins | nagios for system monitoring |
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| 22:06.07 | daemonkeeper | deuterium: Well people can charge you for everything. Doesn't mean you need to. Either use standard Debian image or use the netinst image i linked you |
| 22:06.17 | daemonkeeper | ... well, or pay for :) |
| 22:06.41 | thewanderer1 | is not deploying any system monitoring solution anytime soon... last time I tried the much-vaunted ZenOSS, I ended up with a monster eating up 1GB of RAM and doing nothing |
| 22:06.49 | alexxio | may i have more than one hostname? |
| 22:06.54 | daemonkeeper | No |
| 22:07.08 | daemonkeeper | Note, the hostname is not related to your DNS name. |
| 22:07.12 | SimonS | yes, on different machines |
| 22:07.22 | daemonkeeper | You can have as many DNS names per host as you want |
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| 22:07.28 | alexxio | mmmh |
| 22:07.34 | deuterium | daemonkeeper: i think i'll create an image from scratch myself. |
| 22:07.34 | thewanderer1 | (you can also define aliases in /etc/hosts...) |
| 22:07.51 | frikinz | thewanderer1: http://simple-evcorr.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:07.52 | alexxio | right! /etc/hosts is the aswer (maybe!) thanks |
| 22:08.04 | daemonkeeper | deuterium: Feel free, no reason though. |
| 22:08.16 | SimonS | anybody an idea how to limit debian to 60Megabytes of Ram... just getting out-of-memory errors |
| 22:08.19 | thewanderer1 | frikinz: hey, looks nice! thanks |
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| 22:08.33 | thewanderer1 | SimonS: "limit Debian"? |
| 22:08.41 | SimonS | wrong expression |
| 22:08.45 | alexxio | if i set mysql to connect to aaaa.no-ip.org, (and it is localhost actually!) , it will follow the net or connect to localhost? |
| 22:08.48 | SimonS | use debian with max 60 megabytes of ram |
| 22:09.09 | thewanderer1 | SimonS: sure, it is possible - just give it about 400MB of swap and it'll be happy |
| 22:09.10 | alexxio | i redo the question: if i set mysql to connect as hostname = aaaa.no-ip.org, (and it is localhost actually!) , it will follow the net or connect to localhost? |
| 22:09.12 | ndnihil | or buy some more ram |
| 22:09.15 | ndnihil | it's cheap these days |
| 22:09.20 | valdyn | thewanderer1: man syslog btw, system call |
| 22:09.20 | thewanderer1 | SimonS: also, use LXDE, not GNOME/Xfce... |
| 22:09.33 | daemonkeeper | alexxio: As I already said, the hostname has no relation to your DNS name. |
| 22:09.33 | SimonS | withoud window manager etc. pp. |
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| 22:09.38 | SimonS | just running apt-get upgrade.. |
| 22:09.52 | SimonS | on an embedded device, so ramupgrade is impossible atm |
| 22:10.00 | daemonkeeper | alexxio: If you resolve your no-ip hostname to localhost this won't work (obviously) |
| 22:10.06 | thewanderer1 | alexxio: mysql will most probably connect via TCP/IP |
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| 22:10.28 | JonSparks | Hey, what is the default local IP in Lenny? |
| 22:10.37 | thewanderer1 | alexxio: however, if you use libmysql (client), and point it to "localhost" explicitly or some other name which points to 127.0.0.1, it will attempt to use a UNIX socket |
| 22:10.41 | SimonS | and swap is quite a bad idea with old flashdrives and microdrive.. |
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| 22:10.57 | amphi | JonSparks: localhost is 127.0.0.1 usually |
| 22:10.59 | thewanderer1 | JonSparks: loopback IP addresses are everything inside 127.0.0.0/8 |
| 22:11.04 | JonSparks | Ok |
| 22:11.06 | alexxio | maybe i just have to put 127.0.0.1 more than localhost in the .cnf file |
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| 22:11.32 | frikinz | there's also swap compressed in ram possible :) |
| 22:11.48 | SimonS | a nice idea.. compcache right? |
| 22:11.56 | JonSparks | I can't seem to get my pptp server to work, whenever I try to connect Windows says it's not able. |
| 22:11.59 | thewanderer1 | SimonS: delete some unused entries from sources.list - possibly unstable/experimental |
| 22:12.06 | JonSparks | I can connect to other VPNs just fine. |
| 22:12.11 | alexxio | thanks for the answer, the fact is that i'm learning about sendmail and hostname, and all other programs i have used since now are actually making me crazy!! :) |
| 22:12.42 | SimonS | there are just 3 entries.. main problem is, some package config scripts just fill up the ram... |
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| 22:13.27 | thewanderer1 | SimonS: I'd advise to take the thing offline and do it via a host system which would be reasonably more powerful |
| 22:13.28 | frikinz | SimonS: ah yes compcache right, I couldn't find the name again |
| 22:13.37 | JonSparks | Error 619: A connection cannot be established. |
| 22:13.46 | JonSparks | Anyone want to help me with my pptn server? |
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| 22:14.25 | SimonS | thewanderer1, maybe the better solution... setting up qemu-arm.. i'll try |
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| 22:15.12 | nodie | hi |
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| 22:15.23 | frikinz | SimonS: there's something called scratchbox which uses qemu transparently. |
| 22:15.24 | amphi | frikinz: swap in ram? wtf? |
| 22:15.43 | SimonS | frikinz, thx... |
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| 22:17.38 | frikinz | amphi: compache, when you have no ram but more cpu.. |
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| 22:18.04 | SimonS | or both is limited and your hard-drive/rom/whatever is very,very slow |
| 22:18.15 | SimonS | or flash memory -> limited lifetime |
| 22:18.37 | DotHack | my mod_perl site is slower on squeeze than it was on lenny? hows that possible? |
| 22:18.49 | alexxio | i get connect to server at '192.168.1.9' failed, even if i put 127.0.0.1 or others... what should i insert in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf ? |
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| 22:19.07 | DotHack | i did a dist upgrade and i now have large delays loading the site |
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| 22:21.06 | MicrosoftEmploye | Hi, if I was running Squeeze whilst it was in testing, do I need to do anything out of the norm now it's stable? My sources.list: http://pastebin.com/nvyiAGuq |
| 22:21.19 | frikinz | DotHack: what do you use mod_perl for? |
| 22:21.32 | valdyn | MicrosoftEmploye: no |
| 22:21.34 | JonSparks | Anyone know why I can't connect to my pptp server? Windows says a connection cannot be established. |
| 22:21.40 | MicrosoftEmploye | OK, thanks. |
| 22:21.57 | Coded1 | im trying the netinstall via WIFI (WPA) the script asks for my ESSID + WEP key, of course it never connects is there a howto that will show me how to do a wpa connection? |
| 22:21.59 | valdyn | MicrosoftEmploye: you should fix that deb http://debian-multimedia.fx-services.com/ testing main at once though |
| 22:22.09 | valdyn | MicrosoftEmploye: it should read not testing but squeeze |
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| 22:22.50 | DotHack | frikinz: our companys site is build in perl |
| 22:22.55 | valdyn | MicrosoftEmploye: that sid source line is now dangerous and was before dangerous, but you probably know what youre doing there |
| 22:23.36 | MrFrood | MicrosoftEmploye: I' doing the same thing over at http://ftp.uk.debian.org and it also is running slow tonight :( |
| 22:23.42 | MicrosoftEmploye | Well that was there as I use esniper packaged that needs to be upto-the-minute update for it to work, so I get that from sid |
| 22:24.00 | frikinz | DotHack: in mod_perl? |
| 22:24.16 | MicrosoftEmploye | so is there a new unstable rather than sid? |
| 22:24.28 | valdyn | MicrosoftEmploye: no, and there never will be |
| 22:24.28 | jelly-home | MicrosoftEmploye: no, sid=unstable forever |
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| 22:25.25 | DotHack | frikinz: in perl yes! |
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| 22:26.12 | jelly-home | frikinz: does anyone still use mod_perl anywya |
| 22:26.30 | babilen | MicrosoftEmploye: Is esniper more or less useless if the package is not absolutely up-to-date? (comparable to virus scanner) |
| 22:26.46 | keith4 | during a lenny -> squeeze upgrade, grub2 was installed as chainloaded from grub. i could've sworn it said to run update-from-grub-legacy after i confirmed grub2 was working, but i don't have a script with that name anywhere, nor can I find any package that has it |
| 22:26.47 | MicrosoftEmploye | babilen: yes |
| 22:27.10 | frikinz | from #perl factoid about mod_perl: every time you use this to write a webapp, god kills a baby camel. |
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| 22:27.21 | MicrosoftEmploye | ironically the stable package is horribly broken the moment ebay change their site. |
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| 22:27.38 | MicrosoftEmploye | it's the only page I get from sid. |
| 22:27.42 | frikinz | DotHack: did you try #perl ? |
| 22:27.43 | MicrosoftEmploye | package |
| 22:28.06 | babilen | MicrosoftEmploye: You might want to ask the maintainer (Dima) what he thinks about getting it into stable-updates then. |
| 22:28.13 | mmInd_ | does anyone know a command to show all packages from a certain "Section" from the command line? For example, list all packages from the "Editors" section? |
| 22:28.25 | keith4 | d'oh. it's upgrade, not update. nm |
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| 22:28.50 | DotHack | frikinz: no.... to problem occured when updating debian.. not changing the sites code |
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| 22:29.14 | mmInd_ | apt-cache doesn't seem to have an option to search in a particular section |
| 22:29.40 | ansgar | mmInd_: aptitude search '?section(editors)'. Look in the documentation for search patterns for more information. |
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| 22:30.18 | frikinz | DotHack: yes but to the perl core, there were updates? |
| 22:30.19 | valdyn | mmInd_: you could use "debtags search role::editing |
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| 22:30.50 | mmInd_ | ansgar, valdyn, awesome, I'll take a look at those. Thanks |
| 22:30.51 | pfrog | is there something akin to archlinux's makepkg for debian packaging? |
| 22:31.01 | daemonkeeper | What does makepkg? |
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| 22:31.50 | valdyn | mmInd_: err,its: "debtags search use::editing", but you might want to add more tags |
| 22:31.54 | DotHack | frikinz: dunno, perl got updated.. |
| 22:32.10 | JonSparks | Anyone know why I can't connect to my pptp server? Windows says a connection cannot be established. |
| 22:32.24 | pfrog | builds a package from a single file, a file that looks like http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/tremulous-gpp/tremulous-gpp/PKGBUILD for example |
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| 22:32.52 | pfrog | the file is really just shell scripting with some environment variables set |
| 22:33.15 | babilen | pfrog: "builds" as in creating a binary package? |
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| 22:33.27 | pfrog | but it does quite a lot, makepkg will fetch the source file, verify the hash_sum, untar/whatever, and build a binary package |
| 22:33.27 | daemonkeeper | pfrog: You can build existing Debian packages from source, see debuild/dpkg-buildpackage or debhelper in general. For a general installation tracking use checkinstall. |
| 22:33.45 | pfrog | thats not really the same, I want to make my own .deb's |
| 22:33.59 | pfrog | makepkg makes archlinux packages, its the way archlinux makes all their packages in fact |
| 22:34.00 | babilen | pfrog: Look into dh_make for initial debianisation |
| 22:34.01 | daemonkeeper | Then install devscripts and debhelper |
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| 22:34.13 | daemonkeeper | Also read the New Maintainer Guide |
| 22:34.21 | daemonkeeper | http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 22:34.24 | pfrog | I looked at that, it looked like a huge pita |
| 22:34.26 | frikinz | jelly-home: I don't know, never played with mod_perl. but Dancer was fun. I only used it for a few pages for an embedded system |
| 22:34.37 | pfrog | makepkg is stupidly simple |
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| 22:34.55 | daemonkeeper | Well, Debian packages are more powerful than arch, aren't they ;) |
| 22:35.06 | pfrog | in what way :-/ |
| 22:35.18 | pfrog | I guess the configuration stuff? |
| 22:35.23 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 22:36.19 | daemonkeeper | Yes, but not only. Feel free to ask in #debian-mentors on OFTC for support regarding Debian packaging. |
| 22:36.38 | Posterdati | please help, I downloaded a netinst image from debian.org site (amd64, i386) but it fails to install at detecting network hardware (floppy led stays on). Tx |
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| 22:37.06 | pfrog | daemonkeeper: I mean, I guess what I really want to know is there just a single file and program I need to use to make a .deb package and is there a quick howto for it or some simple examples? |
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| 22:37.15 | pfrog | the new maintainers guide looks like a novel |
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| 22:37.18 | Laugarhraun | Hi! |
| 22:37.39 | Laugarhraun | So my server is a debian. In French, which I chose at the installation |
| 22:37.44 | pfrog | is dh_make what I'm looking for? |
| 22:37.48 | Laugarhraun | however, I'd like to turn it back to full English |
| 22:37.49 | daemonkeeper | No |
| 22:37.53 | xyan | pfrog: checkinstall most likely |
| 22:37.53 | babilen | pfrog: dh_make |
| 22:38.03 | daemonkeeper | pfrog: if you don't care about Debian policies (i.e. you package for your own requirements) use checkinstall. It will catch the "make install" target and build a deb out of it |
| 22:38.07 | valdyn | Laugarhraun: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 22:38.09 | Laugarhraun | but... set-langugage-env does not offer english! |
| 22:38.28 | babilen | pfrog: But it is the *beginning* of the debianisation, not the end. What is the purpose of the .deb you are creating? |
| 22:38.32 | daemonkeeper | pfrog: dh_make generates a minimum skeleton required to use Debian build scripts (eg. dpkg-buildpackage) |
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| 22:38.38 | flypiper | Posterdati, what are you options on the install page? |
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| 22:38.54 | SimonS | anybody an idea, how to find out which touchscreen is connected to the system, and which driver to use |
| 22:38.59 | Posterdati | flypiper: ? |
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| 22:39.03 | pfrog | daemonkeeper: its not just a single file? |
| 22:39.09 | Posterdati | flypiper: only language and keyboard |
| 22:39.23 | SimonS | especially which kernel module |
| 22:39.30 | flypiper | Posterdati, yes.. then it tried to detect your network? |
| 22:39.41 | daemonkeeper | pfrog: No, Debian package sources are located in the ./debian/ directory. The most essential thing is the debian/rules makefile |
| 22:39.43 | Posterdati | flypiper: I'm using graphical install (but text install fails too) |
| 22:39.46 | Laugarhraun | valdyn: then what is the use of set-langugage-env? |
| 22:39.47 | Posterdati | flypiper: yes |
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| 22:40.05 | flypiper | Posterdati, do you know what card you have in the box? |
| 22:40.20 | daemonkeeper | pfrog: Most of the debian/ contents are optional (as in: not essential) though |
| 22:40.30 | babilen | pfrog: What is the purpose of the .deb you are creating? Or is this just out of general interest? |
| 22:40.32 | Tasser | I can I pull off a stunt like install debian on the same FS as another linux? |
| 22:40.38 | Posterdati | flypiper: two connectors (integrated on mobo) |
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| 22:40.56 | valdyn | Laugarhraun: its for setting locales only for a user or a specific session |
| 22:40.57 | flypiper | Posterdati, unplug one of them for now and try it again |
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| 22:40.59 | Posterdati | flypiper: I'm running debian 5.0 on it, so I could know |
| 22:41.01 | Laugarhraun | ok |
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| 22:41.06 | Laugarhraun | thank you valdyn |
| 22:41.18 | flypiper | Posterdati, lspci will tell you |
| 22:41.19 | pfrog | babilen: I will at some point need to maintain a set of custom packages for custom software running on an application style machine, like we ship out a big box to a customer with a bunch of stuff, that big box is then ours to maintain |
| 22:41.22 | Posterdati | flypiper: sis |
| 22:41.23 | Laugarhraun | back in English, yeaaah |
| 22:41.24 | Phil | is it possible to assign multiple ipv6 addresses to a single interface in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 22:41.25 | ghenry | Hi, I'm on a default install of lenny and can't login over ssh, but can locally. What am I missing? |
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| 22:41.35 | valdyn | Phil: yes |
| 22:41.38 | ghenry | I can locally over ssh that is |
| 22:41.41 | Phil | valdyn, how is it done? |
| 22:41.41 | JonSparks | Anyone know why I can't connect to my pptp server? Windows says a connection cannot be established. |
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| 22:41.50 | daemonkeeper | pfrog: If you want to do it clean, you can't avoid to read that kind of "novel" as you called it. |
| 22:41.50 | ghenry | root login is enabled for now |
| 22:42.41 | flypiper | Posterdati, with the graphical install if it hangs up ... I think esc will take you to a menu where you can install the needed modules for your card.. if the installer doesn't. Unless that has been taken out |
| 22:42.42 | daemonkeeper | pfrog: Debian packages are complex thing (well, sort of), yet they are really powerful and /the/ reason people choose Debian. |
| 22:42.42 | pfrog | daemonkeeper: well... I mean if I were packaging something in arch, I take something like this example http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/python25/python25/PKGBUILD then run makepkg and I'm done :-P |
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| 22:42.52 | pfrog | no doubt |
| 22:42.55 | babilen | pfrog: I would recommend real packaging then as opposed to something like checkinstall. That unfortunately means that you have to read the nmg+policy+developer guide |
| 22:43.06 | valdyn | Phil: i dont know if multiple "address" lines are supported in any way, but you can always use "up ip addr add <addr>" |
| 22:43.08 | Posterdati | flypiper: floppy led stays on during this phase |
| 22:43.22 | Phil | valdyn, yeh - I figured the up hook |
| 22:43.33 | pfrog | but I've seen spec files, they look similiar |
| 22:43.34 | daemonkeeper | pfrog: Well, for the easiest possible package, the debian/rules file is 3 lines. |
| 22:43.36 | Phil | was wondering if there was a way to do it in config |
| 22:43.39 | pfrog | ok, I'll read up |
| 22:43.44 | flypiper | Posterdati, yea, I would imagine it's trying to find a card. unplug one of your connections and try it again |
| 22:43.47 | pfrog | I'm sure debian is very similar in the simple cases |
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| 22:44.08 | pfrog | daemonkeeper: for sure, just a lot to read in new maintainers guide without the .deb in my directory to play with :-P |
| 22:44.12 | babilen | pfrog: dh_make does a lot of work for you and it might be enough, but you *have* to know about packaging. There is no single "do_what_i_mean" tool unfortunately :) |
| 22:44.15 | Laugarhraun | another thing: |
| 22:44.30 | Laugarhraun | I got trouble with broken packages during dist-upgrade. Here is paste: http://fpaste.org/ILcG/ |
| 22:44.32 | Posterdati | flypiper: ok |
| 22:44.39 | daemonkeeper | pfrog: To get a general idea, you can download Debian source packages and take a look |
| 22:44.44 | Laugarhraun | I'm using dotdeb packages to have a more recent version of php |
| 22:44.59 | Posterdati | flypiper: I'm trying it on virtualbox now |
| 22:45.06 | flypiper | Posterdati, if that doesn't work... unplug the other connection and plug in the one you unplugged.. and try that card |
| 22:45.16 | Posterdati | flypiper: ok thanks |
| 22:45.26 | Laugarhraun | and this is my sources.list: http://fpaste.org/5eGj/ |
| 22:45.31 | valdyn | Laugarhraun: Internal Server Error |
| 22:45.34 | babilen | !tell Laugarhraun -about dotdeb |
| 22:45.38 | pfrog | daemonkeeper: cool, also if I need to take a debian package and modify slightly for my own purposes is there some source control repo or ftp where I can download the files needed to then modify and make my own? |
| 22:45.42 | flypiper | Posterdati, the installer should find one of them |
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| 22:45.51 | alexxio | mysql fails to run after upgrade to squeeze, please help!!! :(((( |
| 22:45.52 | Posterdati | flypiper: ok |
| 22:45.58 | Posterdati | flypiper: I'll try tomorrow |
| 22:46.01 | babilen | !tell pfrog -about package recompile |
| 22:46.07 | flypiper | Posterdati, ok |
| 22:46.08 | babilen | pfrog: If that is what you mean |
| 22:46.10 | hamid_rostami | Hi everyone, Is this How-to good way for upgrade to squuze ? http://www.go2linux.org/how-to-upgrade-from-debian-lenny-to-squeeze |
| 22:46.12 | Posterdati | flypiper: I'd like to see if it is possible to upgrade debian using installer |
| 22:46.13 | valdyn | pfrog: theres deb-src lines for /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:46.19 | Posterdati | flypiper: never tried |
| 22:46.28 | valdyn | pfrog: and the corresponding command "apt-get source <packagename>" |
| 22:46.34 | JonSparks | You guys are helpful. I;ve been here an hour waiting for help with pptp server and no ones helping. |
| 22:46.41 | hamid_rostami | *Squeeze |
| 22:46.42 | daemonkeeper | pfrog: You can download source package with "apt-get source". You will find source packages resp. the /debian directory on packages.debian.org as well |
| 22:46.50 | pfrog | cool, thanks |
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| 22:47.12 | Laugarhraun | babilen: I'll look for debian's own backports, I did not know it existed |
| 22:47.22 | pfrog | I guess as a final question since I want to use this as a desktop as well is there a way of getting an up to date version of kde all the time with debian stable? |
| 22:47.29 | booi | Does anybody know if the Dell OMSA ubuntu repo works on debian? |
| 22:47.40 | babilen | Laugarhraun: You probably want to upgrade to Squeeze anyway. |
| 22:47.41 | valdyn | pfrog: probably not with debian packages |
| 22:47.45 | daemonkeeper | pfrog: No, but you might want to use Debian Sid. |
| 22:47.46 | pfrog | arch usually has kde updated the day they anounce the release |
| 22:47.54 | nevyn | pfrog: backports? |
| 22:48.04 | daemonkeeper | pfrog: This is not how Debian works. |
| 22:48.04 | Laugarhraun | babilen: that is what I'm trying to do... |
| 22:48.06 | nevyn | pfrog: debian don't generally work that way. |
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| 22:48.24 | Laugarhraun | oh, lenny's written in sources.list! |
| 22:48.34 | babilen | Laugarhraun: Well, remove the dotdeb hell you have. Upgrade. Install packages from Squeeze. |
| 22:48.46 | pfrog | why not out of curiousity? |
| 22:48.51 | babilen | Laugarhraun: And follow the release notes for the upgrade. |
| 22:48.56 | pfrog | I mean I can understand a stable base system, but desktop apps? |
| 22:48.57 | babilen | !tell Laugarhraun -about squeeze release notes |
| 22:49.03 | Jasw | alexxio: any error on /var/log/daemon? |
| 22:49.08 | babilen | !tell Laugarhraun -about lenny->squeeze |
| 22:49.44 | daemonkeeper | pfrog: Because Debian votes for stability and tested software over recency. |
| 22:50.15 | daemonkeeper | pfrog: So, when using Debian Stable, you get _no_ new upstream version over its entire life cycle. |
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| 22:50.29 | daemonkeeper | !stable |
| 22:50.29 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Squeeze (6.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 22:51.16 | pfrog | I guess bug fixes and new features are a no no then? :-( |
| 22:51.33 | daemonkeeper | Bug fixes are |
| 22:51.35 | pfrog | desktop apps would seem like a prime place to update more often |
| 22:51.37 | maplebed | How long will Lenny be supported (re: security updates)? (Sorry, I'm not sure what I should ask the bot, though I'm confident it knows the answer...) |
| 22:51.37 | daemonkeeper | But they are backported |
| 22:51.39 | babilen | pfrog: critacal that is |
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| 22:51.51 | babilen | maplebed: another year |
| 22:51.59 | maplebed | only 12 months, not 18? |
| 22:52.17 | maplebed | (I thought I had heard something about extending security support) |
| 22:52.43 | daemonkeeper | pfrog: Feel free to use unstable, and live with a broken system from time to time (having the same problems as Arch then) |
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| 22:52.52 | pfrog | I've never had arch break |
| 22:52.54 | pfrog | never |
| 22:53.14 | pfrog | but, I don't want to maintain boxes for other people where to get a security patch I have to update everything |
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| 22:53.29 | pfrog | so I truely appreciate debians packaging |
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| 22:53.49 | pfrog | but at the same time as a desktop it seems less than ideal but so it goes I guess, give a little take a little |
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| 22:53.57 | daemonkeeper | Well, by "break" I mean you should experience from time to time a package that is not compatible to other components, unmet dependencies and so on |
| 22:54.24 | maplebed | ah. babilen, thank you. I found my answer at http://www.debian.org/security/faq#lifespan, and you're right: "about one year." |
| 22:54.34 | daemonkeeper | Nothing you can't fix if you know about Debian's package system (hopefully) |
| 22:54.40 | daemonkeeper | However there is no guarantee. |
| 22:54.43 | pfrog | in that case then yes, I have had that problem, but typically only with packages no in the arch repos or binary packages |
| 22:54.51 | babilen | maplebed: I wouldn't have lied to you :) |
| 22:54.52 | pfrog | *not |
| 22:54.59 | maplebed | :D |
| 22:55.04 | pfrog | but those packages in my case will be the applications I'm writting :-P |
| 22:55.05 | ben11 | do you know why aircrack-ng isn't in the courrent stable squeeze but in the unstable and old-stable tree |
| 22:55.26 | maplebed | I guess what I heard about extending it was only a proposal, not fact. |
| 22:55.28 | maplebed | ah well. |
| 22:55.36 | babilen | ben11: #605519 |
| 22:55.48 | daemonkeeper | pfrog: Generally you can safely use Debian Sid (Unstable). I do so on my notebook as well. This is just the disclaimer, like "don't blame us, we told you not to use it" |
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| 22:56.04 | babilen | ben11: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%23605519 (if that wasn't clear) |
| 22:56.38 | Diytto | Hey |
| 22:56.55 | babilen | maplebed: What you've heard has not yet been implemented. |
| 22:56.58 | ben11 | ok thx |
| 22:57.11 | pfrog | I guess I'll keep that in mind |
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| 22:57.19 | Diytto | How can i make a bootable usb? I have a 8GB usb :p |
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| 22:59.31 | soczol | does '/etc/network/interfaces' support creating bridges without any interfaces (they are added later)? as it doesn't work for me with the following config: http://paste.debian.net/106815/ Simply running 'brctl add br1' and 'ifconfig br1 1.2.3.4 netmask..' works fine, but i'd rather to it the 'debian way'. |
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| 23:00.48 | mister_m | When I am partitioning my disk with a fresh install is it better to use the entire disk? Or to create a separate /home partition? |
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| 23:01.11 | soundNICK | its better if you know what its for |
| 23:01.19 | soundNICK | its easier not to |
| 23:01.28 | jeward | So I'm trying to install squeeze on a Mac pro, but the keyboard doesn't work with either the netinst or live CD. |
| 23:01.40 | mister_m | soundNICK: why would I want a separate /home partition? |
| 23:01.40 | jeward | Any suggestions? |
| 23:02.10 | SimonS | mister_m, because you maybe use different installs or, if you have to reinstall the system, you can simply format the root partition |
| 23:02.14 | soundNICK | mister_m its not necessary... you could have all your files in one directory... |
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| 23:02.56 | mister_m | SimonS: that sounds like something I would like |
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| 23:03.23 | mister_m | SimonS: does it interrupt regular operations at all? |
| 23:03.29 | maplebed | mister_m: the cost is less flexibility; you need to choose ahead of time how much room you need on your drive for "your stuff" vs. applications, etc. |
| 23:03.36 | monkeyboy42 | Can someone point me to a link to Debian Lenny 5.0.8 network install ISO files? It's like they've been wiped from the face of the Earth |
| 23:04.28 | SimonS | maplebed, your right, but depending on what distribution and which software you use, you don't need to much space |
| 23:04.56 | mister_m | What do you guys think a good ratio would be |
| 23:05.03 | mister_m | for general use |
| 23:05.08 | soczol | monkeyboy42: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 23:05.13 | mister_m | for a /home partition |
| 23:05.29 | mister_m | 70% of the disk? |
| 23:05.42 | maplebed | true! I would guess that when you're in the learning-spectrum of not knowingc whether or not you watn it partitioned, it's easier to recover from mistakes by just not partitioning it. :P (just my personal preference, of course.) |
| 23:05.43 | SimonS | i use 30GB for root |
| 23:05.45 | thewanderer1 | I usually give it all that remains after giving 12GB to / |
| 23:05.56 | thewanderer1 | (I've never exceeded 12GB...) |
| 23:06.15 | soczol | monkeyboy42: f.e. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.8/i386/iso-cd/debian-508-i386-netinst.iso for i386 |
| 23:06.21 | amphi | mister_m: FWIW, I have 14GB / here, not half used, even with much stuff installed |
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| 23:06.40 | chivito | greetings! |
| 23:06.53 | mister_m | I'll try out maybe 16 to start. Thank you for the explanation guys |
| 23:06.55 | daemonkeeper | Somewhat within [10, 20] GB should be resonable for / on a desktop system without /home |
| 23:08.07 | SimonS | with debian its hard to crack the 20GB, so 10-20 is a goud choice |
| 23:08.49 | maplebed | mister_m: if you want further reading, http://aplawrence.com/Linux/linux_partitioning.html is a reasonable article on the subject of how one should partition a disk for linux. |
| 23:08.51 | jeward | So I'm trying to install squeeze on a Mac pro, but the keyboard doesn't work with either the netinst or live CD. |
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| 23:09.07 | jeward | Any way to get past the initial menu? |
| 23:09.28 | maplebed | jeward: tried an external USB keyboard? (just to see...) |
| 23:09.41 | thewanderer1 | jeward: pull the disk out, plug into a supported piece of hardware, install... |
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| 23:10.05 | stuckey | !boot from flash drive |
| 23:10.20 | jeward | ItIt only has external USB keyboard as an option. Mac Pro, not MacBook Pro. |
| 23:10.21 | mister_m | the / partition needs to be bootable right? |
| 23:10.29 | monkeyboy42 | @soczol Thank You! |
| 23:10.32 | stuckey | anyone here know how to make a bootable flash drive? |
| 23:10.40 | jeward | thewanderer1: Mac Pro is unsupported? |
| 23:11.00 | thewanderer1 | jeward: apparently its keyboard doesn't work, does it? :P |
| 23:11.19 | thewanderer1 | stuckey: we |
| 23:11.31 | thewanderer1 | stuckey: well. just a normal disk... |
| 23:11.36 | jeward | http://www.exposingfashion.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Mac-Pro.jpg |
| 23:11.49 | stuckey | thewanderer1: there are a few files that need to go on it, and it needs to be formatted fat32, and then you need to put the iso on it, right? |
| 23:11.50 | jeward | thewanderer1: works with every other OS... |
| 23:11.58 | stuckey | thewanderer1: which files do I need and where do I get them? |
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| 23:12.39 | thewanderer1 | stuckey: a "bootable" flash drive is the same as a "bootable" hard disk... what you are referring to is a system used to boot from an ISO image on a pendrive |
| 23:12.53 | stuckey | thewanderer1: yes that's what I need. Can you tell me how I do it? |
| 23:13.13 | thewanderer1 | stuckey: if you want the debian-installer on flash drive, read the installation manual |
| 23:13.23 | thewanderer1 | otherwise, just use UNetBootin... |
| 23:13.56 | stuckey | unetbootin is garbage. |
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| 23:14.25 | stuckey | I'm tired of wasting time trying to get it to work. I was hoping someone here would be knowledgeable enough to know how this process actually goes. |
| 23:14.28 | aguitel | anyway to install grub-customizer in squeeze ? |
| 23:14.47 | thewanderer1 | stuckey: you install a bootloader on the pendrive, obviously... |
| 23:14.55 | stuckey | that's not obvious. |
| 23:14.56 | thewanderer1 | but booting an ISO is magic to me, really |
| 23:15.04 | soundNICK | stuckey what do you want to boot ? |
| 23:15.30 | soundNICK | and why do you want to ruin a good USB stick |
| 23:15.30 | mister_m | does the / partition need to be bootable? or not |
| 23:15.34 | stuckey | soundNICK: I have one of those atom mini-pcs and I want to put squeeze on it with a usb flash drive. |
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| 23:15.49 | thewanderer1 | mister_m: /boot needs to be bootable, or whatever GRUB images are on |
| 23:15.51 | stuckey | soundNICK: There isn't another way (that I know of) to put squeeze on this thing. It does not have a CD drive. |
| 23:16.09 | mister_m | thewanderer1: right now I'm, just creating partitions I think |
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| 23:16.23 | soundNICK | stuckey ohhh I get it |
| 23:16.30 | thewanderer1 | stuckey: just get Squeeze Live image and boot from there... it has the installer included |
| 23:16.30 | stuckey | soundNICK: You know how to do this? |
| 23:16.43 | stuckey | thewanderer1: You'll have to be more verbose. |
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| 23:16.48 | soundNICK | stuckey yes and no... I do it all the time... but only with puppylinux |
| 23:17.11 | thewanderer1 | stuckey: live.debian.net -- obtain Squeeze image -- dd onto a pendrive |
| 23:17.19 | thewanderer1 | it has instructions, too |
| 23:17.25 | stuckey | thewanderer1: I have to use windoze to put it on there. |
| 23:17.43 | thewanderer1 | then use rawrite program, described in the Debian Installation Manual |
| 23:18.03 | thewanderer1 | (yes, you have to combine those 2 sources to get something useful :P ) |
| 23:19.07 | stuckey | is confused. |
| 23:19.20 | stuckey | I really need like a step-by-step |
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| 23:19.41 | flypiper | stuckey, doesn't the windoz manual cover how to do it? |
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| 23:19.52 | stuckey | flypiper: my windoze didn't come with a manual. |
| 23:20.04 | ibrahim | i've just installed debian lenny and how can i upgrade it to debian squeeze? |
| 23:20.10 | flypiper | stuckey, www.microsoft.com... I think it's there |
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| 23:20.24 | stuckey | flypiper: Why would that tell me how to install squeeze? |
| 23:20.28 | soundNICK | ibrahim the same way ? |
| 23:20.41 | ibrahim | soundNICK: a new installation? |
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| 23:21.16 | flypiper | stuckey, your using that to install to a pen drive..... I don't think anyone here is running windoz |
| 23:21.16 | soundNICK | ibrahim thats what I would choose, rather than "upgrade" |
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| 23:21.42 | ibrahim | soundNICK: i don't have the CD, and i don't have any CD to burn at this hour. so i might go for "upgrade" |
| 23:21.49 | ibrahim | so, how can i do it? |
| 23:22.12 | MacCoaster1 | Hi guys. Just installed squeeze. Nouveau still taking control of my Nvidia card, even though I have the Nvidia drivers from non-free repository. What gives. I see the nouveau blacklist file in /etc/modprobe.d but no go. |
| 23:22.13 | soundNICK | doesnt do upgrades... cant advise... so sorry |
| 23:22.27 | ibrahim | ok, thank you, anyway. |
| 23:22.34 | MacCoaster1 | I'm running the xen-amd64 kernel, does that matter? |
| 23:22.57 | MacCoaster1 | does the nvidia driver work only on the regular amd64 kernel rather than the xen-amd64 kernel? |
| 23:23.00 | stuckey | Can anyone here tell me how I can install squeeze to a machine without a CDROM drive? I have the machine, an ethernet connection, and a couple of USB sticks. I'm a user, not a developer. |
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| 23:23.14 | stuckey | I also have a windoze machine that I |
| 23:23.17 | stuckey | 'm using now. |
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| 23:23.53 | ibrahim | stuckey: that usb way didn't work for me while installing debian lenny. |
| 23:24.14 | ibrahim | but you need to boot from your usb when the squeeze .iso in it. |
| 23:24.16 | h3po | installing from the squeeze live-usb version works fine |
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| 23:24.42 | soundNICK | stuckey I think its all wrong to use a standard USB stick for that... maybe an el cheapo external drive would have more permanence ? |
| 23:25.09 | stuckey | I just need to get this done. |
| 23:25.34 | h3po | as a remark to the developers, live-install fucks up the grub stage 1 in mbr when installing to another usb drive |
| 23:25.57 | blizzow | My box is acting super weird right now. I was running squeeze already, and did an aptitude upgrade this morning. |
| 23:25.59 | blizzow | The box said it had to update 137 packages and is now just sitting at "Preconfiguring packages ..." |
| 23:26.00 | soundNICK | thats not a very polite remark |
| 23:26.35 | h3po | wasn't meant to be inpolite ;) |
| 23:26.45 | h3po | it just cost me 2 nights |
| 23:26.51 | soundNICK | sad |
| 23:26.51 | blizzow | I don't like interrupting aptitude with ctrl-c but it's not sitting pretty at the moment. |
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| 23:29.03 | soundNICK | wonders if the Squeeze live disk acts like a "live-CD" or, it if will want to install to a drive ? |
| 23:29.11 | Methamorpheus | http://projectmessiah.com/x6/shop.html |
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| 23:30.28 | toad_ | how do i get a root terminal in KDE4? i keep running it from the menu/search thing and it shows the dialog and then does nothing |
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| 23:30.42 | daemonkeeper | soundNICK: http://live.debian.net/project/about/ |
| 23:30.53 | soundNICK | daemonkeeper, thx |
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| 23:31.06 | MrFrood | I've just upgraded to wheezy (I normally track testing) - all is ok except sound - Itried to open alsamixer as a noemal user and got the message |
| 23:31.11 | MrFrood | cannot open mixer: No such file or directory |
| 23:31.35 | MrFrood | but su -c '/usr/bin/alsamixer' will open it |
| 23:31.41 | toad_ | i can get it by su'ing within a konsole or xterm, but THIS IS NOT SECURE |
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| 23:31.55 | toad_ | because of the possibility of capturing keys etc |
| 23:32.06 | Spec | you're probably missing membership into a group, MrFrood. (audio?) |
| 23:32.09 | toad_ | what happened to the superuser terminal during the upgrade? |
| 23:32.42 | MrFrood | Spec: would an upgrade cause groups to change? |
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| 23:33.03 | StarWars | Hi all |
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| 23:33.41 | StarWars | i have a HP ProLiant DL380 wich CD`s DVD Iso i need for Debian stable to download. Pls |
| 23:33.55 | daemonkeeper | What do you have as NIC? |
| 23:34.27 | StarWars | not via NIC network ...via CD`s :) |
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| 23:34.55 | daemonkeeper | Sure, but chances are you want a network afterwards. You are safe to use any image you want |
| 23:34.55 | StarWars | what ISO i must download and instal i have 64Bit Sistem |
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| 23:35.12 | daemonkeeper | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/6.0.0/amd64/ |
| 23:35.15 | daemonkeeper | Choose one |
| 23:35.33 | StarWars | but i get Error ....on Ubuntu i can install ...but i Love Debian |
| 23:36.02 | DotHack | is there a possibiliy to completely disable ipv6 in all lookups? |
| 23:36.14 | StarWars | debian-6.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso will be OK ? no need other Iso ? |
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| 23:36.37 | daemonkeeper | That one is fine. CD1 works too if you want to save some bandwidth |
| 23:36.45 | daemonkeeper | Same for netinst |
| 23:37.09 | StarWars | i try cd 1 and cd8 ...no one work :(( |
| 23:37.12 | MrFrood | ok, I did "su -c 'usermod -G audio myuser'" still no audio still no alsamixer |
| 23:37.31 | daemonkeeper | What do you mean by "no one work" |
| 23:37.41 | daemonkeeper | MrFrood: Logout and in again |
| 23:37.42 | StarWars | i after i make mai RAID ... the HHD partition ..i go F1 and cant go |
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| 23:38.08 | MrFrood | BRB |
| 23:39.01 | daemonkeeper | StarWars: Could you be more verbose? |
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| 23:41.22 | MrFrood | YAY.. that worked, I now have noise |
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| 23:42.11 | daemonkeeper | That does not sound like an improvement :) |
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| 23:43.36 | MrFrood | I'm still confused as to how updating packages would cause a user to loose a group? |
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| 23:43.58 | alexxio | if i remove mysql-server, will db be erased ? |
| 23:44.30 | SimonS | no |
| 23:44.40 | Bushmills | alexxio: i think you will be asked |
| 23:44.50 | SimonS | as long as you dont purge it, |
| 23:44.52 | alexxio | something is wrong with my lenny to squeeze update |
| 23:45.00 | daemonkeeper | Depending on the debconf priority, but yes, Bushmills |
| 23:45.01 | alexxio | Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code |
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| 23:45.20 | alexxio | it's trying to ripristinate mysql-server |
| 23:45.28 | alexxio | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 23:45.37 | alexxio | invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed. |
| 23:45.39 | alexxio | dpkg: errore nell'elaborare mysql-server-5.1 (--configure): |
| 23:45.39 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, alexxio |
| 23:46.17 | alexxio | i dunno what happened |
| 23:46.35 | alexxio | is upgrade to mysql-server-5,1 safe? |
| 23:46.43 | hsa2 | hello again |
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| 23:47.10 | stew | alexxio: this is often caused when you have an obsolete config in /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 23:47.23 | ridin | grats on the new release. |
| 23:47.27 | daemonkeeper | I guess "skip-bdb" |
| 23:47.29 | stew | alexxio: like, for instance, is "skip-bdb" in there |
| 23:48.02 | alexxio | now i removed both mysql server and mysql-server5.1, how can i see if they are installed anymore and which to install now? |
| 23:48.14 | alexxio | *which one should i install now? |
| 23:48.15 | daemonkeeper | mysql-server is a meta package |
| 23:48.49 | stew | alexxio: either, they will both end up installing mysql-sever-5.1 since mysql-server only exists to depend on whatever the current version is |
| 23:48.58 | Bushmills | alexxio: dpkg -l name-of-package |
| 23:49.00 | alexxio | mysqld: unknown option '--skip-bdb' <---you told about this?? |
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| 23:49.22 | daemonkeeper | alexxio: stew and I did. Just remove it from your my.cnf |
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| 23:50.51 | alexxio | now i removed? |
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| 23:51.07 | daemonkeeper | Start MySQL again |
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| 23:53.35 | ibrahim | how can i upgrade lenny to squeeze? |
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| 23:54.10 | daemonkeeper | !tell ibrahim about lenny->squeeze |
| 23:54.48 | ibrahim | ok, but i almost know nothing about linux. |
| 23:55.05 | ibrahim | i don't know how to do this, i've just installed debian lenny. |
| 23:55.11 | ridin | apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 23:55.21 | ridin | i haven't been on debian for a long time... |
| 23:55.27 | linoge | ibrahim: change your sources and then update & upgrade |
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| 23:55.42 | daemonkeeper | ibrahim: What is unclear about dpkg's hints? |
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| 23:55.50 | ibrahim | linoge: how to change sources.list from the terminal? |
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| 23:56.10 | ridin | linoge, nano /etc/apt/sources.list as root |
| 23:56.11 | linoge | ibrahim: mmm, vim? like vim /etc/whatevergoesafter/sources.list |
| 23:56.16 | ibrahim | daemonkeeper: i don't know how to change sources.list on the terminal, and save it from there. |
| 23:56.16 | carlosf | it's funny to believe that there will be a Debian Barbie release |
| 23:56.55 | ibrahim | ok i found this on web: sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:57.10 | ibrahim | but how to edit, then? there comes sources.list |
| 23:57.11 | ridin | nano instead of vim is easier |
| 23:57.24 | linoge | ibrahim: yes, then you do something like :.,$ s/lenny/squeeze/g |
| 23:57.32 | linoge | ibrahim: :wq |
| 23:57.40 | linoge | ibrahim: and then update & upgrade |
| 23:58.17 | babilen | linoge: wrong |
| 23:58.27 | babilen | ibrahim: Please follow the release notes |
| 23:58.38 | babilen | !tell ibrahim -about squeeze release notes |
| 23:58.47 | ibrahim | linoge: you mean :%s/lenny/squeez/g? |
| 23:59.02 | daemonkeeper | squeeze |
| 23:59.06 | ibrahim | babilen: i don't know to do things on linux. i really need help step by step. |
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| 23:59.22 | babilen | ibrahim: They detail the process quite well. And you do not have to use "vim" if you don't know how to use it. nano is fine too. |
| 23:59.43 | linoge | babilen: why? it works for me |
| 23:59.43 | babilen | ibrahim: The release notes explain the whole process in great detail. Did you have a look? |
| 23:59.52 | babilen | linoge: unlikely |
