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| 00:00.50 | ByteChang | sorry, I don't understand what judd is telling me.... ack... hehe |
| 00:00.52 | flock-_ | how can I do a cron, that every 10 minutes or so check a /home/user/folder and if theres a new file (any name) with a extension .lol (for example) he converts it to .tar.gz and delete the file |
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| 00:01.29 | ByteChang | oh i get it.... |
| 00:01.35 | ByteChang | here is my sources.list |
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| 00:02.23 | twinkie_addict | brb going to reboot want to check something out |
| 00:02.24 | ByteChang | deb http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ squeeze main |
| 00:02.24 | ByteChang | deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main |
| 00:02.24 | ByteChang | deb http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ squeeze-updates main |
| 00:02.41 | ByteChang | I did add contrib non-free earlier, but just removed them a few minutes ago... |
| 00:04.00 | stew | ByteChang: the problem is that your sources are pointing to squeeze but you've already (at least partially) upgraded beyond squeeze to wheezy |
| 00:04.22 | ByteChang | ahhh. ok... did that happen when I added 'contrib'? |
| 00:04.23 | stew | ByteChang: at least that's hw it appears, since itlooks like you have th gcc-4.4-base from wheezy |
| 00:04.26 | stew | ByteChang: no |
| 00:04.47 | amphi | ByteChang: did you perhaps have 'testing' in there rather than 'squeeze' until recently? |
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| 00:04.54 | stew | ByteChang: contrib is just stuff outside of debian that depends on other stuff outside of debian, this is gcc-4.4-base which is certainly in debian |
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| 00:05.04 | ByteChang | no... absolutly for sure... |
| 00:05.48 | amphi | so where did apt hear of gcc-4.4-base verdion 4.4.5-10 ? |
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| 00:05.59 | amphi | *version |
| 00:06.10 | ByteChang | hmmm, good question. |
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| 00:07.06 | ByteChang | ok. I'll re-install and see what happens right after boot up.... back in a bit... |
| 00:07.12 | ByteChang | (Thanks very much by the way) |
| 00:07.28 | ByteChang | (10-20 mins) |
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| 00:08.36 | ByteChang | I'll run this at first logon: apt-cache show gcc | grep Version |
| 00:08.45 | ByteChang | sound good? |
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| 00:09.18 | amphi | just install build-essential |
| 00:09.56 | ByteChang | (apt-get install build-essential) build-essential : Depends: gcc (>= 4:4.4.3) but it is not going to be installed |
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| 00:10.12 | ByteChang | oddly, I used that command earlier though and it worked. |
| 00:10.17 | ByteChang | way earlier. |
| 00:10.39 | ByteChang | after I updated my sources w/ contrib non-free. I needed a tigon driver for my eth0 card... |
| 00:10.44 | amphi | it won't work now, no |
| 00:10.58 | amphi | but you could try it after a fresh install |
| 00:11.20 | stew | ByteChang: yes, this stuff "is not going to be installed" because it depends on you NOT having had upgraded some stuff to wheezy |
| 00:11.32 | ByteChang | Ah, ok. thanks. I'll do that. Do you think it is okay to put the contrib non-free in my sources.list? |
| 00:11.54 | ByteChang | stew: thanks. Its starting to make sense ... but I dunno why wheezy stuff is there... |
| 00:12.21 | ByteChang | ok, well, I'll get the install going. Thanks again! (Verymuch) |
| 00:12.48 | amphi | ByteChang: yes, this breakage was not caused by adding contrib & non-free |
| 00:12.58 | stew | ByteChang: because you has "testing" in your sources.list at some point |
| 00:13.09 | stew | (that is our guess at least) |
| 00:13.19 | ByteChang | no, honestly... I never did that... |
| 00:13.41 | ByteChang | but now I'm wondering... I wonder if I grabbed testing and it was wheezy.... |
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| 00:14.44 | ByteChang | ok, no. the help screen says 'debian 6.0 squeeze install cd'... |
| 00:14.46 | ByteChang | phew... |
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| 00:16.00 | amphi | heh |
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| 00:19.47 | ByteChang | ok. (512 MB mounted /boot, 2 G mounted swap, rest of disk mounted LVM /) |
| 00:19.57 | ByteChang | I noticed I forgot to mount /boot ... |
| 00:20.22 | ByteChang | anyway, its installing... |
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| 00:27.00 | ByteChang | quick question before I proceed. My guide is telling me "When it asks what to install, deselect everything including 'Standard Adminstration Utilities'. And also uncheck 'Graphical Desktop Environment'." |
| 00:27.16 | ByteChang | Do you think they mean 'Standard System Utilities'? |
| 00:27.50 | ByteChang | There is no standard administration utilities on the list... |
| 00:28.51 | ByteChang | Originally, I removed standard system utils, then when it didn't work, I re-installed w/ standard system utils... But I am getting no further either way.... |
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| 00:29.41 | ByteChang | I guess if I leave it, it won't hurt much... just a little extra pkg's installed.... |
| 00:29.52 | ByteChang | Don't think it should be a show stopper though... |
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| 00:31.58 | ByteChang | ok. i left standard system utilities enabled.... I figured, their the standard so.... hehe |
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| 00:45.54 | ByteChang | ok. wierd. I didn't modify my sources.list. I just ran 'apt-get install build-essential' |
| 00:46.14 | ByteChang | (I only did a apt-get install ssh openssh-server) |
| 00:46.19 | twanny796 | I installed the linux source with apt-get install linux-souce-version, then I deleted the source tree and now I cannot download the sources again??? |
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| 00:46.23 | ByteChang | (previously) |
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| 00:46.42 | ByteChang | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.43 | ByteChang | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.25 | ByteChang | 'apt-cache show gcc | grep Version' returns 'Version: 4:4.4.5-1' |
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| 00:48.48 | amphi | ByteChang: did you do an aptitude update ? |
| 00:48.58 | ByteChang | no. i'll try that now. |
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| 00:49.27 | ByteChang | I made a mistake earlier by saying i ran it successfully. I was running 'apt-get install firmware-linux' |
| 00:49.59 | ByteChang | hmm, should I be using aptitude install or apt-get install? in general... |
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| 00:50.14 | twinkie_addict | im installing build-essential right now it works fine |
| 00:50.31 | amphi | ByteChang: aptitude, generally |
| 00:50.36 | ByteChang | ok. thanks. |
| 00:50.49 | amphi | ByteChang: after aptitude update, aptitude install build-essential works? |
| 00:50.50 | ByteChang | I still get the same msg as above... |
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| 00:51.10 | twinkie_addict | but im installing it on a fresh install of 6.0 |
| 00:51.32 | ByteChang | twinkie: me2.... hmmm |
| 00:51.48 | amphi | ByteChang: I don't know what you're doing, but I think you should stop it |
| 00:51.50 | amphi | ;) |
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| 00:51.55 | twinkie_addict | one reason i always do a clean install no old cprap hanging around |
| 00:52.09 | ByteChang | aptitude install build-essential gives me a 'accept this solution' |
| 00:52.24 | amphi | what is the proffered solution? |
| 00:52.34 | ByteChang | amphi... It must be my netinst download I'm guessing.... |
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| 00:52.53 | ByteChang | I couldn't find the md5sum for it though to check... ack. |
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| 00:52.59 | twinkie_addict | i used the netinst iso to install with no issues here |
| 00:52.59 | amphi | ByteChang: it's a squeeze release netinstall ? |
| 00:53.18 | ByteChang | amphi: Yes, correct. squeeze netinst cd. |
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| 00:53.32 | twinkie_addict | i transfered it usb via cat it worked fine |
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| 00:53.48 | ByteChang | do you want me to paste the result in #flood? |
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| 00:53.59 | amphi | ByteChang: ok |
| 00:55.01 | twinkie_addict | build-essential installed without a hitch |
| 00:55.14 | amphi | ByteChang: it seems like the solution is to do nothing ;) |
| 00:55.31 | ByteChang | ok, I'll accept the solution and see what happens then... |
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| 00:55.41 | amphi | ByteChang: perhaps you need another image; something is very odd, if it's doing this straight after a clean install |
| 00:55.44 | metrix | I would like to setup a monitoring application to alert me via e-mail when my drive is full, the network is acting up, etc. I need to configure the software via the command line. any suggestions on what to use? |
| 00:56.06 | ByteChang | amphi: Yes, I'm starting to think the same thing.... |
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| 00:56.13 | ByteChang | No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 00:56.13 | ByteChang | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 00:56.13 | ByteChang | Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used. |
| 00:56.25 | ByteChang | Thats what happened when I accepted the solution.... |
| 00:56.40 | amphi | yes, that's what I said ;) |
| 00:56.47 | ByteChang | hehe.... |
| 00:57.12 | ByteChang | ummm, wheere can I find the md5sum for the squeeze netinst CD? |
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| 00:57.45 | ByteChang | I couldn't find it @ debian.... I thought it was usually near the link to download... |
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| 01:00.27 | dachary | Hi, I would like to know what the best practice is regarding automatic installation of security fixes for lenny / squeeze ? |
| 01:00.51 | ByteChang | ok, I'm d/ling debian-6.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso from 'www.debian.org/distrib/netinst' |
| 01:00.57 | bjk | does dpkg know what the fingerprint is of the archive signing key? |
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| 01:03.44 | ByteChang | twinkie_addict: Could you mind doing a md5sum against your .iso for me? |
| 01:03.55 | ByteChang | er, would you mind... |
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| 01:04.55 | Abbas- | wow, ppl actually use debian? |
| 01:05.04 | Abbas- | OS Info: Windows 7 Ultimate (Build #7600) [Abbas] installed on Tuesday, July 14 2009 |
| 01:05.09 | mdmarmer | lots of people |
| 01:05.10 | Abbas- | more epic and powerful |
| 01:05.22 | Abbas- | see the ultimate in my OS name |
| 01:05.25 | Abbas- | that speaks for itself. |
| 01:05.33 | anigma | Abbas-: are you being serious now? |
| 01:05.39 | mdmarmer | people actually use windoze? |
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| 01:05.52 | Abbas- | mdmarmer yes like 100% of the planet |
| 01:05.56 | ByteChang | I guess it is just their reputation for making crap... lol |
| 01:05.58 | Abbas- | the world runs on Windows OS |
| 01:07.37 | kdog | Abbas-: why are you in here? |
| 01:07.42 | ByteChang | Can you say Windows ME or Vista... |
| 01:07.48 | mdmarmer | at least in Windows 7 users dont log in as administrator all the time |
| 01:07.56 | ByteChang | ME was the biggest joke ever... |
| 01:07.58 | mdmarmer | could be a little more secure |
| 01:08.19 | mdmarmer | we have to use Vista at work |
| 01:08.34 | ByteChang | I heard it was not that good... |
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| 01:08.53 | ByteChang | ie: skip it for Win 7.... kinda like the same story for windows ME... |
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| 01:09.40 | Abs-afk | why would people resort to inferior products like debian |
| 01:09.42 | ByteChang | It is a joy to work on from an administrative point of view.... "Are you sure you want to do this?" |
| 01:09.45 | Abs-afk | when windows 7 can do so much more |
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| 01:10.09 | dan- | troll alert |
| 01:10.16 | ByteChang | granted, MS might be more user friendly, but I don't think it is nearly ..... |
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| 01:10.23 | ByteChang | doh... I bit.... |
| 01:10.23 | amphi | Abs-afk: perhaps you want to be in #windows |
| 01:10.44 | Abs-afk | i'm just curious |
| 01:10.51 | ByteChang | cost is a big factor. |
| 01:11.08 | ByteChang | try setting up a internet hosting service on a budget.... |
| 01:11.15 | mdmarmer | security security |
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| 01:11.25 | mdmarmer | no viruses or spyware here |
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| 01:11.32 | ib_mobile2 | Abs-afk: why would you come to a linux channel to make such comments? clearly you're in the wrong place |
| 01:11.37 | Abs-afk | ^ security through obscurity mdmarmer |
| 01:11.46 | mdmarmer | and u can build your system exactly as you like it |
| 01:11.47 | ByteChang | I think Dan hit the nail on the head... |
| 01:12.00 | amphi | ByteChang: ya think? ;) |
| 01:12.02 | jordanm | Abs-afk: do you have a debian support question? |
| 01:12.04 | ByteChang | without all the extra garbage you never use... |
| 01:12.05 | mdmarmer | no -- it really is more secure |
| 01:12.29 | ByteChang | amphi: I just can't resist.... lol |
| 01:12.37 | amphi | Abs-afk: this is a debian support channel |
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| 01:14.39 | amphi | < Abbas-> see the ultimate in my OS name |
| 01:14.48 | amphi | haha, I missed that earlier |
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| 01:15.22 | ByteChang | how can you refute that... hehe |
| 01:16.12 | TASAIRES | When Leave Debian Linux 12.0.0 "ANDY"?? left less TRUE ;) |
| 01:16.16 | anigma | clearly had to be a joke |
| 01:16.44 | jordanm | its called trolling, and you have been doing a pretty good job of feeding |
| 01:16.45 | TASAIRES | But now Try "Squeeze " |
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| 01:16.58 | TASAIRES | XD |
| 01:17.06 | mdmarmer | windows support is at #aptosid on OFTC |
| 01:17.17 | mdmarmer | i was tempted to tell him that lol |
| 01:17.25 | TASAIRES | hahaha |
| 01:17.57 | TASAIRES | aptosid is the one tahti boot Linux Debian on 64bits |
| 01:18.07 | Abs-afk | even north korean military uses win 7 ultimate |
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| 01:18.50 | TASAIRES | Abs-afk: because they Buy U.S. Arms |
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| 01:19.52 | TASAIRES | Abs-afk: alls the World sell and Buy Debian Linux, but with variant and name comercials, |
| 01:20.06 | TASAIRES | How Android, |
| 01:20.09 | TASAIRES | Xd |
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| 01:21.11 | TASAIRES | The middle use Linux Hidden how other! and The 75% use any variant to RED Hat and Debian, Both the most popular and Stable |
| 01:21.21 | TASAIRES | The Rest use Ubuntu! |
| 01:21.35 | tharkun | TASAIRES: cool off please. no need for that |
| 01:21.36 | dondelelcaro | TASAIRES: what other people use is not on topic here. |
| 01:21.39 | TASAIRES | Windows is Sell on more PC, by default |
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| 01:24.07 | TASAIRES | tharkun, dondelelcaro , the tolerance is a Privilegy, not is a LOCK |
| 01:24.16 | tharkun | Gentlemen i am trying to pack a program i've developing for quite some time. Can someone slap me in the right direction to get the pertinent information? I've seen lots of programs use several RDBMS backends Can someone point me to an elegan solution to implement that in several packages for debian |
| 01:24.31 | jordanm | TASAIRES: ranting can go to #debian-offtopic |
| 01:26.08 | jordanm | tharkun: why would you need some kind of RDBMS to package an application? |
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| 01:26.28 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: depends on what you're doing; if you don't need a huge RDBMS, consider sqlite or similar. Most people use various things, but see things like libyada or similar. |
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| 01:26.40 | TASAIRES | Debian, and The rest of the comunity work, many hard, for a Free and Open (GNU/Linux) and Other opens solution , based on Debian, and more otheres Solutions integrate Down This Critery ( more gone form diferente Source and Distributions) and too gone integrate on Debian |
| 01:27.27 | adb | TASAIRES, soit mon con mon fils |
| 01:27.35 | TASAIRES | There many part to this distro and community, integrate on this work, not all i ONLY by Debian |
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| 01:28.12 | TASAIRES | But all make a nice Distro! with one some Heart! DEBIAN! |
| 01:28.40 | TASAIRES | 29.000 packs and more by Now! |
| 01:28.57 | adb | TASAIRES, stop it |
| 01:29.12 | ByteChang | ok. md5sum is correct. |
| 01:29.23 | dondelelcaro | TASAIRES: that's all great, but it's not really on topic here. If you have a question, ask it. Otherwise, answer other people's questions. There's no third option. |
| 01:29.58 | tharkun | jordanm: i use the RDBMS on my aplication. I want to split the program in two. The logic and frontend in one part. And in another part the functions that actually connect to the RDBMS. |
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| 01:30.54 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: thanks i'll look at that as soon as i get home. This connection is kind of crappy |
| 01:30.54 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: that's why you use shared libraries or similar; yada is one mechanism of doing this; there are others too |
| 01:30.54 | jordanm | tharkun: I am not a developer, but I wouldn't see much reason to splitting unless one portion has usefulness independantly |
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| 01:31.38 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: any google term to research that. As you should have noticed by now my technical English is a bit rusty |
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| 01:32.16 | toolz | hi, I think my hdd is failing... shutdown/reboot doesnt work, I believe filesystem was mounted ro and I cannot reboot to fsck, I did fsck now and /dev/sda1: clean |
| 01:32.18 | toolz | what should I do |
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| 01:32.55 | tharkun | Is crying an option on your OS xD |
| 01:32.57 | toolz | /var/log/messages: ata1: hard resetting link ata1: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310) ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100 ata1: EH complete |
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| 01:33.46 | TASAIRES | dondeelcaro: despues me lo dice en espaƱol! pero no impongas tu opinion sobre los demas! Debian, now is part to many Linux, PURE DEBIAN is DEAD, the rest of distros variant is only a bad Copy to Debian. But is part to the comunity Debian. |
| 01:34.18 | toolz | I tryed: mount -n -o remount,rw / and I get: mount: block device /dev/sda1 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 01:34.30 | jordanm | dondelelcaro: I would say that is enough... |
| 01:34.44 | adb | too |
| 01:34.57 | Faustus | ??? Why is pure Debian dead? |
| 01:34.58 | r\wWorld | TASAIRES, not true, alot of people who start at ubuntu migrate to debian |
| 01:35.09 | TASAIRES | dondelelcaro: One question, because on Source DVD, not there now Installer? |
| 01:35.47 | TASAIRES | dondelelcaro: since what version? because on Debian Woody and Etch , yes There, |
| 01:35.56 | jordanm | toolz: what does smartctl -a /dev/sda look like? |
| 01:36.42 | TASAIRES | r\wWorld: yes, becaus Ubuntu is Debian, (the mod part is on the Kernel) los the GNU/Linux |
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| 01:37.55 | toolz | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/BLbrXg0f |
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| 01:39.35 | TASAIRES | r\wWorld: and more people gone to the source, but many solution (application and code), gone 1st make on a Derivate of Debian, or Other Import Gnu/linux, and before THis was include how part to Debian, and Acepted, how Gnu or gpl packets |
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| 01:40.14 | r\wWorld | TASAIRES, so sorry, but i can't make sense of what you're saying |
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| 01:41.02 | TASAIRES | r\wWorld: can be because i not Know the English , more nice, and too Write any time more spped on Keyboard |
| 01:41.19 | TASAIRES | r\wWorld: can be |
| 01:41.34 | r\wWorld | no worries |
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| 01:42.21 | jordanm | toolz: why can't you reboot for a fsck? |
| 01:42.42 | toolz | doesnt work, I send the command and nothing happens |
| 01:42.59 | toolz | tryed shutdown, reboot, nothing. |
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| 01:43.36 | toolz | shutdown -rF now, nothing |
| 01:44.12 | toolz | tryed to touch /forcefsck from /, it complaints about read only mounted file system, cannot remount |
| 01:44.18 | toolz | dunno what to do .. |
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| 01:45.26 | jhutchins2 | Fregh. he default kde 3.5 opening sound is really abysmally too damned loud. |
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| 01:47.25 | jordanm | toolz: yeah, I see the problem there. use a recovery environment such as a livecd |
| 01:47.58 | toolz | the problem is I dont have psyhical access to it.. cand I do anything to reboot it at this hour? its 03 47 here.. :( |
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| 01:48.37 | toolz | physical |
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| 01:49.15 | jordanm | toolz: do you need to write to / for it to perform its function? |
| 01:49.29 | toolz | prolly |
| 01:49.38 | toolz | but I dont know how, at least what I tryed didnt worked out |
| 01:49.40 | TASAIRES | Nice 2 New Questions, i like make many diferent PC installation of debian Squeeze. |
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| 01:50.42 | jordanm | toolz: I mean.. if its a webserver and you have other partitions, there is a good chance you don't need to write to / and can wait until someone at the data center or w/e can put it in recovery |
| 01:50.44 | TASAIRES | x86 pc and x86_64 AMD pc! i like try with this CD and DVD for a OFFliNe Installation (FULLY) |
| 01:51.15 | TASAIRES | firmware-6.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso and the 8 DVD AMD64, and the other 8 DVD i386 |
| 01:51.23 | toolz | jordanm its not a webserver and I have backups, I only have / |
| 01:51.57 | jordanm | toolz: what does uname -r say? |
| 01:52.19 | toolz | 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 |
| 01:52.33 | TASAIRES | For 1 hauppauge TV card, and other Need dowload MULTIMEDIA (dvb-t) or No-free package more or There any other ISO, official or not for that ?? |
| 01:52.45 | jordanm | toolz: so you are running an ancient version of testing on a webserver? |
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| 01:53.35 | jordanm | toolz: I would say you need physical access, or support from your webhost to resolve this issue |
| 01:53.42 | toolz | I dont get you - ancient version of testing? and its not a webserver... got some stuff there |
| 01:54.00 | jordanm | toolz: oh, you said "not" a webserver |
| 01:54.08 | toolz | yes |
| 01:54.20 | jordanm | toolz: that kernel like 9 months old or so, and from a bad upload to the testing suite |
| 01:54.29 | jordanm | perhaps older |
| 01:54.42 | toolz | 9 months old, wtf, what should I use then? |
| 01:54.54 | toolz | I just installed it few weeks ago from an USB |
| 01:55.01 | jordanm | 2.6.32-5 |
| 01:55.08 | jordanm | toolz: you used an old testing installer... |
| 01:55.15 | toolz | I believe its kuto or something like that's install |
| 01:55.35 | ByteChang | ah, beautiful. build-essential is working. Thanks guys! |
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| 01:55.43 | jordanm | toolz: the -trunk should have never been included in the package version, as it caused other kernels not be booted by default, and trunk to stay in place |
| 01:56.19 | homecable | why cant i find 5.0.8 download anymore ? |
| 01:56.28 | toolz | jordanm, linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 should be ok? |
| 01:56.44 | jordanm | toolz: anyways, the read failure doesn't look good, but doesn't indicate a bad drive. had you tried just a regular reboot? |
| 01:56.49 | jordanm | toolz: yes |
| 01:57.07 | toolz | I tryed |
| 01:57.17 | toolz | weird cause only shutdown and reboot does not work |
| 01:57.43 | toolz | filsystem is mounted read only |
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| 01:59.27 | toolz | I think it went into a shutdown -f now |
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| 01:59.38 | toolz | the only thing that worked, but its without fsck.. |
| 01:59.40 | maxxe | cd /win 1 |
| 01:59.55 | jordanm | toolz: -f tells it not to fsck |
| 02:00.07 | homecable | trying to test my uplink wget http://darkinfo.org/foo.bar <<< want to see alot of people hitting it for download load if u all dont mind :P |
| 02:00.19 | jordanm | toolz: shutdown -F -r now |
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| 02:00.44 | toolz | I tryed but it didnt went |
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| 02:03.24 | jhutchins2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.06 | jhutchins2 | toolz: What does Ctrl-Alt-Delete do? |
| 02:04.20 | toolz | in putty.. I believe it doesnt work? |
| 02:04.26 | TASAIRES | homecable: you can Fix and Lock you version on OLD Stable, ever! |
| 02:04.54 | toolz | well I'll wait till someone will be available in datacenter |
| 02:05.02 | TASAIRES | homecable: and return to old Lenny 5.0.8 (last old Stable) |
| 02:05.02 | toolz | after few hrs |
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| 02:06.08 | homecable | TASAIRES looking for iso |
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| 02:06.32 | TASAIRES | homecable: and from Ftp or repositories Too |
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| 02:07.15 | homecable | whats diff in debian 6 and 5.0.8 ? |
| 02:07.30 | dvs | homecable: about 30 months |
| 02:08.05 | homecable | 6 stable for server install do u think ? |
| 02:08.12 | jordanm | sure |
| 02:08.13 | TASAIRES | deb uri distribution [component...] |
| 02:08.18 | dvs | homecable: yup |
| 02:08.34 | homecable | because i hate ubuntu |
| 02:08.47 | TASAIRES | homecable: this is only a example -> |
| 02:08.49 | TASAIRES | deb-src http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ oldstable main contrib non-free |
| 02:09.10 | dvs | TASAIRES: why not "lenny" instead of "oldstable"? |
| 02:09.15 | TASAIRES | homyou can see on line 2oldstable" ?? TRU?? |
| 02:09.56 | TASAIRES | homecable: yo can fix how version OLD stable, or Specific OLD stable Version |
| 02:10.23 | TASAIRES | deb-src http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 02:10.29 | TASAIRES | By example |
| 02:10.45 | karlpinc | TASAIRES: Always better to be specific. That way new releases don't break your system by suprise. |
| 02:12.00 | TASAIRES | homecable: see, the proble is You have "stable" on line, and Automatic you update to Actaul Squeeze, because this is The Stable nOw |
| 02:12.47 | TASAIRES | homecable: and you problem is You not like Update or change by the moment from lenny to squeeze |
| 02:13.44 | TASAIRES | karlpinc: not there a similar how "oldstable/lenny" or similar?? |
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| 02:14.03 | TASAIRES | karlpinc: i give many time out to debian |
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| 02:14.56 | gajbooks | Did anyone ever answer my question? (i left accidentaly and i lost chatroom history) |
| 02:14.59 | karlpinc | TASAIRES: Just say "lenny". Lenny is lenny forever. |
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| 02:16.15 | Marotte | gajbooks, nobody I'm afraid |
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| 02:17.33 | octocpp | i had a device in fstab by UUId,, and it is not connected anymore, but fsck keeps trying to check it when I boot, is there a way to get it to stop checking for it? |
| 02:18.28 | dondelelcaro | octocpp: remove the line from your fstab |
| 02:18.50 | octocpp | i did that, but it still trys to check it |
| 02:19.07 | rsouthard | is there a place online i can see package versions in debian unstable? |
| 02:19.08 | dondelelcaro | octocpp: if it's not in your fstab, it doesn't know anything about the filesystem, so it can't check it |
| 02:19.13 | dondelelcaro | rsouthard: packages.debian.org |
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| 02:19.29 | octocpp | it was a usb drive, and i think i pulled it when the box was still on, but now it keeps trying to fsck it at boot |
| 02:20.07 | rsouthard | dondecaro: thank you! |
| 02:20.22 | dondelelcaro | octocpp: if it's not listed in the fstab, it won't mount it, nor will it try to fsck it. (unless you're using one of the automounters or similar) |
| 02:20.29 | dondelelcaro | octocpp: what is the precise fsck message you're getting? |
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| 02:20.49 | octocpp | one sec |
| 02:20.58 | rideh | trying to install python2.6 on debian 5 - server wants to include a bunch of audio libraries. Is there a better way? |
| 02:21.35 | Arrowmaster | upgrade to debian 6 if you want python2.6 |
| 02:21.40 | Marotte | rideh, yes bet on the 9.... |
| 02:22.05 | rideh | vps hosting |
| 02:22.37 | jordanm | rideh: doesn't matter, install 2.6 on lenny will very likely leave you with a broken system, due to the way the paths changed between the version in debian |
| 02:22.40 | dondelelcaro | rideh: we don't distribute python2.6 for lenny, and even if it's a vps, you can still upgrade to squeeze. |
| 02:22.41 | Marotte | and.. |
| 02:22.44 | Arrowmaster | python2.6 isnt supported on debian 5, if you manage to install it youll likely break a lot of stuff |
| 02:22.49 | jordanm | rideh: lenny was not designed for multiple version of python to be installed |
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| 02:23.00 | rideh | Ah :( |
| 02:23.04 | rideh | well sheet |
| 02:23.09 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: any aditional docs within debian that i should look into to make a package or yada is enough. I recall something about a guide |
| 02:23.24 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: there's the NM guide |
| 02:23.28 | jordanm | rideh: squeeze was designed a bit better, and 2.5 + 2.6 can be concurrently installed |
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| 02:24.31 | Marotte | buena note |
| 02:24.31 | dondelelcaro | jordanm: you've been able to install them concurrently for a while |
| 02:24.37 | octocpp | dondelelcaro: it tryed to do fsck on /media/VERBATIM fsck.ext3 -a /UUID=fafgafhiawvnfiawifvaiuwnvistuff |
| 02:24.42 | jordanm | dondelelcaro: on lenny? |
| 02:24.46 | dondelelcaro | jordanm: yes |
| 02:24.55 | jordanm | ,versions python2.6 |
| 02:24.55 | rideh | jordanm, thanks i guess i'll do that |
| 02:24.57 | judd | Package python2.6 on i386 -- sid: 2.6.6-8+b1; squeeze: 2.6.6-8+b1; wheezy: 2.6.6-8+b1 |
| 02:25.02 | octocpp | dondelelcaro: fsck.ext3: Unable to resolve' UUID=rghasnhgchnwstuff |
| 02:25.17 | octocpp | dondelelcaro: that is because the drive is no longer hooked up |
| 02:25.19 | dondelelcaro | octocpp: what is the contents of your fstab? |
| 02:25.22 | dondelelcaro | s/is/are/ |
| 02:25.23 | jordanm | dondelelcaro: I recall having this discussion with themill for quite a while about 6 months back or so |
| 02:25.42 | octocpp | dondelelcaro: It was in there but i put a / in front of it |
| 02:25.53 | octocpp | dondelelcaro: do i need # ? |
| 02:25.54 | dondelelcaro | octocpp: uh... / doesn't escape anything. |
| 02:26.00 | jordanm | dondelelcaro: just a /usr/local install? |
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| 02:26.23 | dondelelcaro | ,versions python2.4 |
| 02:26.24 | dondelelcaro | ,versions python2.5 |
| 02:26.25 | judd | Package python2.4 on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.6-1+lenny1; lenny-security: 2.4.6-1+lenny1 |
| 02:26.26 | judd | Package python2.5 on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.2-15+lenny1; lenny-security: 2.5.2-15+lenny1; sid: 2.5.5-11; squeeze: 2.5.5-11; wheezy: 2.5.5-11 |
| 02:26.31 | octocpp | dondelelcaro: hehe, i saw that in front of some other ones in there and tricked myself |
| 02:26.36 | octocpp | dondelelcaro: how can I rem it out? |
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| 02:26.49 | octocpp | dondelelcaro: ill just delete it i dont need it anyway |
| 02:27.08 | dondelelcaro | octocpp: A # starting the line. man 5 fstab; for details |
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| 02:27.24 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: thanks again nice startup. |
| 02:27.30 | octocpp | dondelelcaro: im an idiot lol |
| 02:28.01 | octocpp | dondelelcaro: i dont have anything remed out in there, I was looking at it and thinking it was a fstab from another box, where i have stuff remed out |
| 02:28.05 | jordanm | dondelelcaro: I see. perhaps our conversation only applied to 2.6 |
| 02:28.13 | octocpp | dondelelcaro: and saw the / and thought that was the remed stuff lol |
| 02:28.25 | dondelelcaro | jordanm: could be |
| 02:28.25 | maxxe | just got uvesafb working.. thought of writing a howto.. a bit tricky to get it working :\ |
| 02:28.25 | octocpp | dondelelcaro: and copied like a dork |
| 02:28.40 | dondelelcaro | octocpp: it happens; that's why the man pages exist |
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| 02:30.25 | octocpp | dondelelcaro: that is why irc exists too :) |
| 02:30.30 | octocpp | dondelelcaro: thanks :) |
| 02:30.41 | octocpp | i think well be good not lol |
| 02:30.47 | octocpp | now* |
| 02:31.49 | congerro | hi, i can't get virtualbox to start my windows7 image correctly. it always hangs at "Press F12 ..." i suspect that my ram usage is the problem: -/+ buffers/cache: 3016 933 |
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| 02:33.44 | boota2 | Flame-mode: use vmware |
| 02:33.54 | boota2 | It's available for free as i know |
| 02:34.00 | boota2 | And it really just works better |
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| 02:34.43 | congerro | if i am correct 3016mb of ram is in aktive use but i have no programs running which can consume that much |
| 02:34.56 | un214 | disk cache |
| 02:35.24 | congerro | hmmmm |
| 02:35.26 | dvs | congerro: linux will use the rest of the memory as cache memory |
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| 02:35.59 | dvs | "unused memory is wasted memory" |
| 02:36.48 | congerro | so there is absolutely no way that some programm can block memory after i killed it? |
| 02:36.50 | jordanm | dvs: idk, sometimes cached memory is pretty wasted too :). eg. an rsync backup will cache a lot of stuff into RAM that will likely not be need again |
| 02:37.41 | dvs | jordanm: But that's an actual program, not the system doing something useful. |
| 02:38.04 | jordanm | dvs: well, the kernel is doing the caching... just from the read() calls from rsync |
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| 02:40.21 | congerro | but if i do "echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches" it should show me that space was freed with "free -m" ? |
| 02:40.55 | jordanm | yes, but you shouldn't really do that. disk caching is good |
| 02:41.04 | congerro | i know |
| 02:41.09 | un214 | there are reasons to flush the cache |
| 02:41.13 | jordanm | you do that on a web server and watch i/o wait kill the box |
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| 02:41.20 | congerro | but i doesn't frees any memory |
| 02:41.43 | un214 | I have 8GB ram |
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| 02:41.50 | un214 | about 7GB of that is disk cache |
| 02:42.04 | dvs | congerro: cached memory is considered free memory |
| 02:42.11 | un214 | the parts of debian I use don't way 7GB |
| 02:42.17 | dvs | it will be freed once programs need it |
| 02:42.54 | congerro | "echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches" <-- so this doesn't anything? |
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| 02:43.35 | katsrc | do people tend to test experimental and report bugs frequently? |
| 02:44.52 | dondelelcaro | katsrc: people test packages from experimental; they don't really test experimental itself |
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| 02:52.06 | Technicus | Hello, for some reason I am not able to find the the url for the Debian package database. Will someone please post it? |
| 02:52.24 | un214 | packages.debian.org |
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| 02:53.58 | congerro | ha! i knew it. |
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| 02:54.30 | congerro | rebooting did free the memory. |
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| 02:55.16 | congerro | and now i can start my image |
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| 02:57.08 | Technicus | I am trying to install Emerald but it is not in the packages.debian.org |
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| 03:02.50 | dondelelcaro | Technicus: that may be because we don't suport it, or alternatively, because it's in one of the compiz-fusion-plugins packages |
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| 03:03.51 | Technicus | dondelelcaro: Does the Debian community still support Compiz? |
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| 03:04.51 | dondelelcaro | Technicus: we're still distributing it, yes. |
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| 03:14.26 | Onryo | Was just reading on the wiki about the Nouveau drivers for Nvidia cards. Anybody know if they work with a GTX 460 card. |
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| 03:15.02 | tharkun | Gentlemen is there a way to make awesom not pop up so many windows but to have a more static set up. like having multiple tags on a preassigned frame distribuition? |
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| 03:19.18 | abrotman | Onryo: the nouveau wiki has a matrix |
| 03:20.20 | un214 | chews a red pill |
| 03:20.28 | Onryo | Ill be sure to take a look at that. I was reading one. wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 03:20.45 | tharkun | un214: it seems green pills are the norm |
| 03:20.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | /win// |
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| 03:25.57 | Onryo | lol, the NVC0 (i.e. GTX 460) seres is not the best cards for the Nouveau drivers. nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix |
| 03:27.06 | Onryo | Are there any good vendors of graphics cards that support 3D that are 100% open? |
| 03:27.47 | pipeline | Onryo: No. |
| 03:28.14 | abrotman | Onryo: intel |
| 03:28.30 | pipeline | Onryo: the only high performance graphics option under linux is nvidia. Intel and ATI have open drivers, but are pretty pokey. There are no open hardware vendors of note. |
| 03:29.04 | pipeline | Onryo: so, uh, pick your poison. If openness were a priority, I would probably buy Intel, knowing that performance will be very poor. |
| 03:29.32 | abrotman | it's not really that bad .. i can play every opengl game that i've tried in Debian |
| 03:29.41 | pipeline | Onryo: as it stands, when given a choice, I buy nvidia. I'd rather have high-performance closed source drivers than nothing. |
| 03:29.57 | dvs | Really? ATI opens the specs to their cards. |
| 03:30.05 | abrotman | dvs: not all of them .. yet |
| 03:30.08 | pipeline | abrotman: I hate my Intel laptop. Very unstable. Slower than iced treacle. |
| 03:30.15 | Onryo | All the same I would think that the Sandy Bridge GPU is open. As of now GNU/Linux has some issues with SB but in the future it might be an option. |
| 03:30.17 | pipeline | dvs: yeah, but the drivers are pokey as hell. |
| 03:30.25 | abrotman | pipeline: i have more than one .. they all work great |
| 03:30.29 | dvs | pipeline: That'll take time |
| 03:30.31 | pipeline | dvs: supposedly r7xx/r8xx is supposed to be faster than r3xx/r5xx/etc :\ |
| 03:30.35 | abrotman | pipeline: is it a Dell? :) |
| 03:30.38 | pipeline | dvs: I've heard that for years and years |
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| 03:31.03 | pipeline | abrotman: HP elitebook w/ core i5 integrated graphics. Horrendously slow. My Dell (other work laptop) has nvidia, so it runs starcraft 2 reasonably fast ;) |
| 03:31.30 | abrotman | pipeline: i have thinkpads, and a little hp netbook .. all very stable, and fantastic .. wouldn't trade it for any proprietary crap |
| 03:31.45 | Onryo | Intel is working hand in hand with the devs ... so I hear. I don't know how true that is though. |
| 03:31.46 | dvs | is glad that he had two r7xx chips |
| 03:31.51 | pipeline | abrotman: congratulations ? I have recurring problems with my intel graphics, and I hate'em. |
| 03:32.08 | pipeline | Onryo: Intel is definitely super-cooperative with outside collaborators |
| 03:32.22 | pipeline | Onryo: they have a substantial staff and the drivers are updated contsantly |
| 03:32.27 | Onryo | That is really good to hear. |
| 03:32.50 | abrotman | Onryo: there is only one chipset i've heard of that intel isn't putting a lot of weight behind |
| 03:32.51 | Onryo | I am looking forward to Sandy Bridge when the times comes. |
| 03:33.12 | tharkun | pipeline: <rant> least they could do after slowing the development of cpus for the last 15 years </rant> |
| 03:33.12 | Onryo | what chipset is that? |
| 03:33.50 | pipeline | Onryo: Intel bought a chipset from a third-party vendor for some of the graphics that come with Atom chips. |
| 03:34.04 | pipeline | Onryo: that chipset is not supported by the normal Intel drivers :\ |
| 03:34.07 | Onryo | ahh the GMI? |
| 03:34.13 | Onryo | GMA I mean |
| 03:34.22 | pipeline | Onryo: they use "GMA" to refer to a ton of products, so I dunno |
| 03:34.42 | abrotman | the embedded one .. don't recall |
| 03:34.44 | pipeline | tharkun: heh I don't accept that proposition. Intel may be driving the price upwards, but they're certaintly not slowing development :P |
| 03:35.00 | pipeline | Onryo: the point is, if you buy an intel desktop, as opposed to an atom-based notebook, it's not an issue |
| 03:35.03 | tharkun | lol |
| 03:35.49 | Onryo | Seems that google is not as evil as I thought. Really happy to hear/use WebM and VP8. Props to Intel too! |
| 03:35.59 | abrotman | whatever guy on planet that complains about ACPI a lot is the one i saw complaining about that chipset |
| 03:36.08 | Onryo | Nice to watch Adobe crash and burn |
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| 03:37.05 | tharkun | Adobe does have fine products. Problem is they have an attitude towards opensource |
| 03:37.27 | abrotman | Meego ? |
| 03:37.35 | abrotman | eh, no, that's the OS |
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| 03:37.49 | tharkun | !meego |
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| 03:38.13 | tharkun | read something about it. Just can't recall |
| 03:38.16 | Onryo | Sadly I use hardware acceleration a lot. Hope OpenCL works with the Sandy Bridge GPU. |
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| 03:38.36 | tharkun | Onryo: gaming? |
| 03:38.43 | abrotman | GMA500 seems to be the one |
| 03:39.02 | abrotman | tharkun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MeeGo_(operating_system) |
| 03:39.15 | Onryo | No I use Pyrit a lot for massive computing power. |
| 03:39.45 | Onryo | Nvidia likes CUDA |
| 03:40.18 | jordanm | abrotman: http://lwn.net/Articles/427035/ |
| 03:40.49 | jordanm | thought CUDA was nvidia's technology |
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| 03:41.00 | abrotman | yay |
| 03:41.02 | tharkun | also |
| 03:41.05 | jordanm | ...and AMD/ATI called their's "stream" |
| 03:42.17 | Onryo | Yeah the 5870 card is pure insanitary as far as mega power in Pyrit |
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| 03:42.58 | jordanm | I think I can squeeze another year out of my GTX 260 |
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| 03:45.10 | BillHarris | I'm somewhat used to Debian 32-bit; should I expect installing the AMD64 port on a new machine to take a bit of time to get set up to run 32-bit apps, too? |
| 03:45.31 | Onryo | Linux 2.6.37, Mesa 7.10, and the xf86-video-intel 2.14 DDX that are the versions reported to play well with the new Intel graphics. |
| 03:45.51 | BillHarris | IOW, if I need the machine running soon, is it safer to do 32-bit now and then reinstall 64-bit later? |
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| 03:46.22 | metalfan___ | hi |
| 03:46.26 | Onryo | In Sandy Bridge that is |
| 03:46.30 | un214 | I discovered I had 32 bit libs by accident |
| 03:46.41 | un214 | Sandy Bridge = recalled |
| 03:47.08 | jordanm | BillHarris: I would stick with 32bit. you can run bigmem or 64bit kernel on 32bit if you need to |
| 03:47.21 | metalfan___ | i get this: mono: error while loading shared libraries: libgthread-2.0.so.0: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 on a debian lenny, do i need a 32bit libglib package or should it run through ia32-libs (which are installed) ? |
| 03:47.51 | BillHarris | @jordanm: how much memory will bigmem get me? I've got 8GB in the new machine. |
| 03:48.00 | BillHarris | and thx, BTW. |
| 03:48.03 | Onryo | Well there is nothing wrong with the Sandy Bridge CPU it is the chipset it needs. In April the kinks will be worked out. |
| 03:48.11 | jordanm | BillHarris: 8GB with about 2.8G limit per process |
| 03:48.44 | BillHarris | @jordanm: thx. R is my main problem, then, but that can wait... |
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| 03:49.26 | jordanm | BillHarris: its very rare a proc will use 2.8G itself. I have seen the limit hit twice.. once with a game in wine, and once with a *very* high traffic web server hitting it on MySQL |
| 03:49.29 | BillHarris | Can I upgrade to AMD64 someday by using the Debian installer and writing over the existing / and /boot, without touching my /home. |
| 03:49.37 | jordanm | BillHarris: yes |
| 03:50.21 | BillHarris | I hit mem. limits on R at work all the time (32-bit), but that's not as important on this machine. Thanks; I know how to get 32-bit going (or at least I hope I do :-) |
| 03:50.28 | Onryo | I did some test in Ubuntu and I have to say the performance was really really good as long as I did not use the SB GPU. |
| 03:51.15 | Onryo | Thing is that I don't like the kernel that Ubuntu uses. BLOB city! |
| 03:51.20 | jordanm | Onryo: I think the NB usually has the GPU? or with modern intel, the CPU itself |
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| 03:53.24 | marklde | I am installing a printer here in cups (lenny, with backported hpijs) and I have three options: 1. "HP LaserJet Pro m1212nf MFP (en)" 2. the same, with "hpijs" and 3. the same, with "hpijs, 3.10.4.16" -- what's the difference between these? |
| 03:53.37 | marklde | actually maybe I should ask #cups, duh |
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| 03:54.30 | Onryo | I know that Debian has spent a hell of a lot of work on riding the kernel of blobs. Deb is really doing a good job. I am happy to till they get around to Sandy Bridge. I am in no hurry. |
| 03:55.28 | jordanm | just got a laptop that did not require the installation of any additional blobs! |
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| 03:56.19 | Onryo | I use to use Libre-Linux but I trust the Debian's track record a lot more then say gNewSense |
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| 03:58.42 | Onryo | also I don't fully agree with all that Richard S. ideas. I mean if I am using Firefox I don't want to see the name changed just to prove a point. |
| 03:59.09 | stew | to prove a point? |
| 03:59.12 | abrotman | !why iceweasel |
| 03:59.13 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 03:59.17 | abrotman | it wasn't RMS |
| 03:59.45 | Onryo | stew yeah they just called it "browser" and removed the Firefox logo. |
| 03:59.56 | stew | when mozilla corporation tells us "stop infringing on our trademark you are no longer allowed to use it" we should just say "I dare you to sue us"? |
| 03:59.59 | stew | no thanks |
| 04:00.17 | drunkendentist | epiphany and mozilla firefox are not the same |
| 04:00.49 | Onryo | lol, I can see your point of view there stew. |
| 04:01.02 | stew | wait, which browser are you talking about? |
| 04:01.26 | stew | iceweasel? or something else? |
| 04:02.11 | jordanm | stew: well.. if they did sew, is there really money to be had? I know the project has money, but I doubt enough to be lucrative to sue |
| 04:02.13 | Onryo | Well Trisquel is a good example. I don't even know for sure if it is Firefox. Looks like it. |
| 04:02.28 | stew | jordanm: what if they sue me personally? |
| 04:02.45 | jordanm | stew: I have read the thread, and I aggree with the switch to iceweasel. just saying |
| 04:02.59 | stew | and yes, there is money to be had |
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| 04:05.05 | Onryo | This might be a dumb exhaustion but is the Mozilla group in the habit of sue'n the open source users? |
| 04:05.11 | stew | but even if there is little and people decide not to worry about them going after individuals or that the money is too small to attract their attention. why bother, just in order to promote their mark |
| 04:05.32 | stew | and obviously we DID attract their attention |
| 04:06.37 | Onryo | stew Now this is interesting. When did we do that? I might have missed something. |
| 04:06.47 | stew | Onryo: when did we do what? |
| 04:06.49 | jordanm | !iceweasel |
| 04:06.49 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 04:06.58 | jordanm | !tell Onryo about why iceweasel |
| 04:07.31 | jordanm | that no longer links to the mailing list thread? |
| 04:08.13 | Onryo | lol, OK I am going to look into this for sure. Anybody that sues true open source....emmm...free software users is not a friend of mine. |
| 04:08.29 | stew | Onryo: mozilla filed bugs in our bug tracker that stated we are no longer allowed to use the firefox mark if we are going to provide our own security patches and if we aren't going to distribute their artwork |
| 04:08.58 | stew | nobody sued anybody |
| 04:09.05 | stew | but they were using legal arguments |
| 04:09.10 | stew | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project |
| 04:09.13 | marklde | I am looking here: https://answers.launchpad.net/hplip/+question/89196 and I am wondering how to recreate CUPS ppd files. I don't see any such options in the cups web frontend, perhaps I am looking in the wrong place? |
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| 04:09.51 | Onryo | My god what is the world coming too. Something as lame as "artwork" |
| 04:09.53 | stew | Onryo: here's the bug that was filed: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 |
| 04:10.08 | Onryo | Looking at it asap |
| 04:10.49 | jordanm | marklde: if you are actually running debian, something like that should be reported to the debian BTS if it has not already |
| 04:11.07 | Onryo | Holy crap "Uses Mozilla Firefox trademark without permission" - Severity: serious |
| 04:11.11 | marklde | jordanm: lenny, with backported hpijs |
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| 04:11.33 | marklde | jordanm: and I'm happy to report, but I would like to get the problem fixed first... it helps the bug report, too ;) |
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| 04:11.51 | daedhel | its been 3 days without xorg |
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| 04:12.01 | daedhel | there must be an easy way |
| 04:12.19 | jordanm | marklde: ah, backports bugs go to backports-user@lists.debian.org instead of the BTS. the BTS still lacks support for tracking backported versions |
| 04:12.21 | marklde | Onryo: uhm... it's not all that different from movies which the mpaa sues over, or music by the riaa |
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| 04:12.43 | jordanm | marklde: those movies are not open source |
| 04:12.46 | marklde | jordanm: any idea how to recreate the cups ppd files, though? |
| 04:13.02 | marklde | jordanm: oh yeah, the firefox artwork is, isn't it |
| 04:13.09 | Onryo | when will people stop fighting over money like kids over candy. Makes me sick. |
| 04:13.29 | jordanm | marklde: the ppd files are distributed with the packages |
| 04:13.43 | jordanm | marklde: it is now, it was not at the time |
| 04:14.14 | marklde | jordanm: so it sounds like what you're saying is that there is a bug in the package because it does not include updated ppds/ |
| 04:14.51 | jordanm | marklde: or an old PPD is being left behind and being used. might want to try #cups |
| 04:15.21 | marklde | jordanm: yeah, I'm in there, but it is pretty quiet |
| 04:15.49 | marklde | jordanm: perhaps I should try deleting the ppd and see if it figures out how to regenerate it on its own or something |
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| 04:17.24 | jordanm | marklde: I think that this bug would actually be in hplip, not hpjis |
| 04:17.37 | daedhel | how do sid users currently manage to have an xserver installed ? |
| 04:18.05 | ZykoticK9 | daedhel, i'm under the impression "they don't" |
| 04:18.18 | jordanm | !pieces |
| 04:18.18 | dpkg | ( The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! ) |
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| 04:18.36 | daedhel | well |
| 04:18.36 | un214 | sudo un-break-sid |
| 04:18.40 | daedhel | hmmm |
| 04:18.42 | daedhel | well |
| 04:18.46 | jordanm | command not found |
| 04:18.52 | daedhel | THIS IS RATHER UNFORTUNATE |
| 04:19.00 | un214 | sudo apt-get install dpkg-oracle |
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| 04:19.06 | unkmar | what is recommended method of backup of my lenny system beofre I attempt an upgrade? |
| 04:19.20 | daedhel | unkmar: backup the partition |
| 04:19.26 | marklde | unkmar: /home /etc /var/spool ... uhm ... some other stuff probably |
| 04:19.33 | jordanm | unkmar: rsync |
| 04:19.39 | daedhel | unkmar: with the clonezilla livecd |
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| 04:21.44 | daedhel | i mean... i'm here, with a broken install |
| 04:21.50 | daedhel | and its just gonna stay that way? |
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| 04:22.09 | unkmar | daedhel: sorry to hear that? |
| 04:22.19 | daedhel | any estimate for the delay before the deps are fixed ? |
| 04:22.29 | unkmar | broken in what way/ |
| 04:23.10 | daedhel | xorg |
| 04:23.12 | daedhel | cant install |
| 04:23.15 | daedhel | broken deps |
| 04:23.39 | jordanm | daedhel: install the xorg from squeeze? |
| 04:23.45 | stew | daedhel: we removed a bunch of xorg packages which were abandoned and unmaintained, they are still, however, available for other suites, right? |
| 04:23.47 | daedhel | i'm an ass because I hit aptitude full-upgrade in sid |
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| 04:24.16 | daedhel | stew: dunno |
| 04:25.01 | un214 | try xserver-xorg-vesa |
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| 04:30.57 | homecable | want partings a drive do i have to use boot for / |
| 04:31.05 | homecable | when* |
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| 04:33.11 | dvs | homecable: if you have a modern computer, there's no need to put /boot in a separate partition. |
| 04:33.25 | homecable | i mean boot flag |
| 04:33.45 | unkmar | or as windows calls it. Activate the partition. |
| 04:33.57 | homecable | is it needed |
| 04:34.07 | dvs | homecable: not sure. I doesn't hurt though |
| 04:34.31 | jordanm | dvs: there are reasons.. like if you want a LVM / |
| 04:35.18 | homecable | when i installed ubuntu they never set a boot flag |
| 04:35.22 | homecable | thats why i was askin |
| 04:35.30 | jordanm | its not needed |
| 04:35.47 | homecable | alright |
| 04:36.26 | homecable | how come debian has some Acrap when u wget a file |
| 04:36.48 | unkmar | an upgrade should only risk the install and/or usability. Not the parition viability. right? |
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| 04:38.46 | homecable | 8 gig swap / 5 gig /usr 50 gig /var 50gig /tmp 5 /home gig left over / |
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| 04:39.46 | unkmar | the thing is. My system is USB 1.1 and 10/100 NIC. so, backups kinda suck. |
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| 04:40.26 | unkmar | and it is a laptop, so dual drive isn't an option either. :( |
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| 04:44.46 | marklde | jordanm: it looks like this printer may require a non-free plugin, obtained by running this "hp-setup" program, as noted here: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/laserjet/hp_laserjet_professional_m1212nf_mfp.html |
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| 04:48.27 | civillian | Trying to dist-upgrade lenny to squeeze, will this kill my box?? http://pastebin.com/fGpDekPe |
| 04:48.50 | civillian | why does it want to remove g++ and friends? |
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| 04:49.53 | unkmar | set talk_chans=bitlbee:unkmar,EFnet:unkmar,Freenode:unkmar,EFnet:#Chattanooga,Freenode:#chugalug,Freenode:#unkmar,Freenode:#mortal,Freenode:#Tiggrbox,Freenode:#debian,Freenode:#debian-overflow,Freenode:euphori |
| 04:50.39 | stew | civillian: are you following the upgrade procedure in the releaes notes? |
| 04:50.53 | unkmar | sory. |
| 04:51.07 | civillian | stew: I'm following http://www.go2linux.org/how-to-upgrade-from-debian-lenny-to-squeeze |
| 04:52.03 | stew | civillian: i'd recommend you follow the procedure debian recommends instead of whatever this is |
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| 04:52.43 | civillian | stew: google is failing me here, can you point out a URL? |
| 04:53.02 | gnarface | greetings people! Squeeze is released! OMG i'm so excited i pooped myself!! |
| 04:53.22 | stew | civillian: (from the /topic) /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 04:53.28 | unkmar | gnarface: I'm a 7, You're an 8. |
| 04:53.40 | stew | civillian: you want chapter 4 of the release notes |
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| 04:54.30 | gnarface | I have a Lenny mail/web server with a highly customized exim4 configuration (virtual domains, courier-imap-ssl, spamassassin, the whole 9 yards) and I was wondering what type of catastrophe i could expect doing an upgrade to squeeze. it's not smart enough to automatically merge my customized config safely, is it? |
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| 04:54.52 | civillian | stew: thanks mate |
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| 04:57.49 | jordanm | gnarface: I wouldn't be suprised if the exact same config works. I don't think exim saw that kind of major change |
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| 04:58.05 | jordanm | gnarface: courier... I am sorry :\ |
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| 04:58.54 | gnarface | jordanm: courier actually works great once you can figure out how to configure it. the problem is the documentation is so bad and vague it might as well be nonexistent |
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| 04:59.03 | kblessinggr | I'm reading this : http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/apf-firewall and I have it installed and such, but I'm trying to figure out if it supports IPv6 at all |
| 04:59.23 | gnarface | jordanm: in fact courier's documentation is so bad i'd *almost* go so far as to say its actually harmful and the project would be better off with NO documentation than with what it has |
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| 05:00.45 | dvs | agrees |
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| 05:01.44 | Loshki | gnarface: try also #exim |
| 05:01.57 | kblessinggr | can someone confirm if this : http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/apf-firewall supports IPv6 or not |
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| 05:02.28 | jordanm | gnarface: I have to admin it on systems with 10k email users... dovecot works considerably better from my experience |
| 05:02.46 | gnarface | oh hey... also about sid... i just did a major update on my desktop and now X says the v4l module does not exist... am i missing something or is `Load "v4l"` no longer required in the xorg.conf? |
| 05:02.54 | gnarface | Loshki: ah, yes, thanks |
| 05:03.31 | gnarface | jordanm: yea its not fast but FWIW this server actually is just my own mail accounts and around 350 spams a day |
| 05:03.49 | jordanm | gnarface: xorg.conf hasn't been required for a long time. some xorg packages were recently removed from sid |
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| 05:04.18 | jordanm | gnarface: its not speed.. its the inability to handle a ton of auth attempts at once |
| 05:04.32 | jordanm | so I guess my complaint is really courier-authlib |
| 05:04.32 | gnarface | jordanm: so i should still HAVE v4l1 AND v4l2 support? or should i get out my old webcams and check them? |
| 05:04.50 | jordanm | no, the packages may have been removed |
| 05:05.19 | gnarface | wait, so i *don't* have v4l1 anymore? |
| 05:05.39 | gnarface | or its merged into the core or the kernel or v4l2? |
| 05:05.52 | jordanm | ,versions xserver-xorg-video-v4l |
| 05:05.54 | judd | Package xserver-xorg-video-v4l on i386 -- lenny: 0.2.0-1; experimental: 1:0.2.0-5 |
| 05:06.18 | t3a | !jordanm |
| 05:06.22 | jordanm | aparently I have it installed from experimental |
| 05:06.49 | stew | gnarface: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=612191 |
| 05:07.20 | stew | lots of xorg packages just got removed |
| 05:07.26 | gnarface | jordanm: fwiw when i originally set this mail server up for myself (back when whatever was before etch was stable) i tried dovecot first but couldn't figure out how to integrate it into exim4 with virtual domains and spamassassin the way i wanted, courier-imap-ssl was a bitch too but i managed to get it working first (perhaps by chance) |
| 05:08.14 | gnarface | stew: thanks. so your advice on this matter? think it will come back? |
| 05:08.51 | jordanm | gnarface: my last job ran a sendmail+dovecot. new job runs exim+courier and exim+dovecot. I have just found the dovecot to have the least problems of those applications |
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| 05:09.34 | stew | gnarface: did you read the bug? |
| 05:09.49 | gnarface | jordanm: ok, noted. perhaps i'll give dovecot another try. i was a long standing sendmail advocate since my redhat days but when exim4 became debian's default MTA i bought their book and never looked back |
| 05:10.04 | homecable | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.10 | homecable | how come i get that a shit |
| 05:10.20 | jordanm | gnarface: if its not causing you issues I wouldn't bother twitching though |
| 05:10.29 | gnarface | stew: unmaintained and they're talking about merging it into the v4l2 api as reverse compat... but i thought that happened like last year?? |
| 05:10.56 | stew | gnarface: not unmaintained |
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| 05:11.28 | stew | gnarface: the maintainer notes that there was suddenly upstream activity and they should return |
| 05:11.46 | jordanm | gnarface: I believe the debian-x team is always looking for help |
| 05:12.15 | gnarface | jordanm: i'd love to be good enough at C for that to be encouraging :( |
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| 05:12.51 | gnarface | stew: ok i'll be patient for a bit |
| 05:13.13 | stew | they are (though in this instance, the question was of upstream maintenence) |
| 05:13.59 | gnarface | should not have forced the issue when all those xorg packages were kept back |
| 05:15.11 | gnarface | jordanm: what types of problems were you having with too many auths using courier? early on i was having serious issues with my server hanging on auths because it was running out of entropy but that got fixed at the kernel level |
| 05:15.25 | gnarface | years ago in fact |
| 05:16.18 | jordanm | gnarface: if it gets more than say, 100 auth requests in 30 seconds it starts throw "resource not available" errors. there is an issue of each autlib daemon can only handle a single auth request at a time |
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| 05:18.34 | gnarface | jordanm: aaah, i see. yea that is bad. that does explain why dovecot seemed more popular just from the sheer volume of 3rd party documentation about setting it up. for my own purposes that is unlikely to be an issue though. |
| 05:19.00 | gnarface | has a mail server with dozens of accounts and domains, but only one user actually |
| 05:19.09 | jordanm | gnarface: yeah.. I couldn't imagine those kind of problems outside of shared web hosting actually |
| 05:19.15 | gnarface | would be rich if he had a nickel for every spam he got |
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| 05:20.21 | jordanm | would be rich if he had a nickel for every compromised web account he discovered sending out spam |
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| 05:23.04 | gnarface | hell you don't even have to have compromised accounts... judging from a lot of the spam i get most the "contact us" forms in existence can be trivially subverted to spam without even needing to gain user permission |
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| 05:24.28 | jordanm | gnarface: my personal mailserver deletes anything with a sa score > 5. my last job ran a baracuda spam firewall, which worked quite well. 300 or so email users, 98% of incomming email spam |
| 05:25.00 | jordanm | they were an open sendmail relay back in the 90s, which probably didn't help |
| 05:25.07 | ajikeshi | O_o |
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| 05:26.20 | gnarface | jordanm: oh yea, 9 get around 98% accuracy doing the same thing with exim4/courier. when i said 350 spams a day i meant that's just what makes it through the filter |
| 05:26.29 | gnarface | shouldn't have given his email address out to all those porn sites |
| 05:26.34 | BillHarris | I have a new HP Pavilion w/ W7 that I want to dual boot with Debian Stable. HP has 4 partitions already set up; what have people done to make this work? |
| 05:27.47 | sash_ | BillHarris: moving them |
| 05:28.07 | gnarface | BillHarris: if you still want to use windows i advise you not remove the first 2 partitions (one is your C:, the other is your recovery partition) |
| 05:28.12 | jordanm | BillHarris: presumably, there are not all primary, so resizing one shouldn't be an issue |
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| 05:28.28 | sash_ | BillHarris: or, better... removing. i dont need those, what are they? HP-Tools and HP-Recovery |
| 05:28.30 | jordanm | gnarface: w7 also uses a boot partition |
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| 05:28.35 | BillHarris | Argh. HP is downstairs; I'll check. |
| 05:28.46 | BillHarris | Yes, HP-Tools and Recovery are the last two. |
| 05:28.50 | gnarface | jordanm: shows what i know. haven't installed windows since 2001 |
| 05:28.55 | sash_ | jordanm: i think they are. |
| 05:29.01 | sash_ | primary |
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| 05:29.33 | jordanm | my asus came with 4.. not all primary |
| 05:31.11 | gnarface | BillHarris: here is my advice to you. 1) get a knoppix disk and an external usb harddrive of >= size your HP's harddrive. 2) boot knoppix and use dd to mirror the internal drive to the external drive. make the external drive's label "security blanket" 3) wipe the internal drive clean and install debian squeeze and never look back |
| 05:31.41 | stew | if you are going to install squeeze, why bother downloading an knoppix disk to do something the squeeze disk could do |
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| 05:32.23 | gnarface | stew, BillHarris: oh sorry, i keep forgetting that debian has a livecd now too |
| 05:32.27 | BillHarris | All 4 primary partitions: system, C:, tools, recovery (c: is crosshatched in the computer management display) |
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| 05:33.25 | BillHarris | gnarface: I've been tempted, and I may do that still. I have about 1 or 2 times a year I need Windows (last time was an Adobe Connect meeting) |
| 05:34.22 | BillHarris | Is the debian squeeze disk now a livecd, or do I still need to find a separate livecd? |
| 05:34.28 | gnarface | BillHarris: with a clever enough grub install i think you could actually boot windows from the external harddrive in those cases.... but don't quote me on that. you might prefer to run it inside linux with xen or something |
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| 05:36.14 | gnarface | that's a good question BillHarris |
| 05:36.45 | gnarface | guys, do the squeeze install disks now have native livecd mode? i thought it was a separate disk image? |
| 05:36.59 | BillHarris | Wiping the disk and starting over sounds attractive, and buying the external as a safety blanket sounds okay (but I hate wasting the disk space :-). It sounds like no one here has tried removing Tools or moving it into another partition? I can't make one of the primary partitions into an extended/logical one, right? |
| 05:37.01 | jordanm | gnarface: yeah, debian-live but it now as an installer |
| 05:37.24 | jordanm | BillHarris: you can if you delete it... |
| 05:37.45 | BillHarris | jordanm: if I delete Tools, any idea what I lose? |
| 05:38.13 | jordanm | nope, but I am betting its too small for a linux install |
| 05:38.44 | BillHarris | jordanm: Oh, I thought about shrinking C:, deleting Tools, creating a new, larger ext3 FS. |
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| 05:38.58 | jordanm | that could work |
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| 05:39.31 | BillHarris | Then I can put everything I need for Debian (swap included?) in that extended partition? |
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| 05:39.52 | ska | exit |
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| 05:39.57 | jordanm | yes, and extended partition is divided into multiple logical partitions |
| 05:39.59 | BillHarris | There's also a Windows backup that claims to write a full system backup. Maybe I do that and wipe Windows. |
| 05:40.01 | jordanm | s/and/an/ |
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| 05:40.14 | BillHarris | jordanm: gotcha. |
| 05:40.35 | jordanm | BillHarris: however, /boot needs to be on a primary |
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| 05:40.58 | t3a | why are so many packages such as python-imaging not available through aptitude |
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| 05:41.40 | BillHarris | jordanm: Good catch. That means I need to kill _2_ primary partitions. My last HP was easy: C: and Restore, leaving me 2 free. |
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| 05:42.59 | BillHarris | Anyone know if a system backup on W7 is like dd or more of a file copy? IOW, if I do a system backup, could I restore someday to a smaller partition on the same HW? |
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| 05:43.36 | jordanm | BillHarris: #windows for that question |
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| 05:45.31 | BillHarris | jordanm: right |
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| 05:48.20 | sash_ | jordanm: /boot must be on a primary? i dont think so |
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| 05:48.45 | jordanm | sash_: is that no longer a limitation with grub2? |
| 05:48.57 | jordanm | it was a limitation of grub |
| 05:48.59 | vasuvi | sash_: no, /boot can be absolutely anywhere, or nowhere at all (I never use it) |
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| 05:49.18 | vasuvi | grub 1 works just fine off of logical partitions too |
| 05:49.28 | sash_ | jordanm: it also wasn't a limitation with gtub1 |
| 05:49.31 | sash_ | grub1 |
| 05:49.51 | ajikeshi | sash_, wasnt that a thing of before grub? when the kernel had to be within the first 1023 cylinders? |
| 05:49.54 | sash_ | it cannot be on an lvm or raid, taht is the limitation |
| 05:49.57 | vasuvi | the only limitation I can find for GRUB 1 is that it doesn't like GPT-formatted drives; you need GRUB 2 for that |
| 05:50.11 | ajikeshi | vader-, GPT O_o |
| 05:50.16 | ajikeshi | macuser? |
| 05:50.31 | vasuvi | no, I have one drive that uses GPT just to try it out |
| 05:50.36 | vasuvi | rest are all normal MBR |
| 05:50.44 | ajikeshi | y is that so? |
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| 05:50.49 | sash_ | ajikeshi: i dont know. i never used anything else than grub |
| 05:50.58 | ajikeshi | i started with lilo xD |
| 05:51.07 | ajikeshi | and the move to grub was... quite weird |
| 05:51.22 | ajikeshi | same as the move to grub 2 :D |
| 05:51.32 | ajikeshi | yout dont know how its working anymore :D |
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| 05:51.52 | sash_ | i am afraid of moving to grub2... |
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| 05:52.14 | ajikeshi | sash_, nah... if you get used to it you see many benefits |
| 05:52.15 | jordanm | sash_: that must have been what I was thinking. I always use lvm.. |
| 05:52.37 | sash_ | jordanm: me too, but i also use /boot on another partition ;) |
| 05:53.31 | sash_ | ajikeshi: i think so, too. but i know grub. how to recover things, how to use it manually, how to configure it manually, how to find errors etc... have to learn all that once again ;) |
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| 05:54.07 | gnarface | sash_, jordanm i think what you guys are thinking of is a legacy limitation with boot sectors and cylandar counts from start-of-disk that was related to old-ass PC BIOS limitations, nothing to do with whatever boot loader you use, and no longer an issue with modern hardware anyway |
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| 05:54.18 | ajikeshi | sash_, nah.. its not that bad |
| 05:54.33 | Loshki | ajikeshi: Er, can you say what some of the benefits of grub2 over grub1 are? |
| 05:54.41 | ajikeshi | its more like... everything stays the same but the config is generated automatically |
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| 05:55.48 | sash_ | Loshki: booting from lvm and raid, booting isos (not native isos but something like this), gpt, nice colours and backgrounds/wallpapers... |
| 05:55.55 | gnarface | i still have to be rescued occasionally by lilo on weird hardware and boot configurations that grub fails on, though since i learned how to make grub do chainloading that's far less often |
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| 05:56.17 | Loshki | sash_: thanks |
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| 05:58.10 | zleslie | Hello |
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| 05:58.58 | gnarface | Hello, zleslie. welcome to SQUEEZE! hoooraaay! |
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| 05:59.08 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 05:59.22 | gnarface | hello johnfg! SQUEEZE! |
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| 05:59.50 | johnfg | btw...flashplayer will now download/install cleanly! thanks to those who fixed the problem! |
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| 05:59.58 | zleslie | yay for squeeze |
| 06:00.19 | gnarface | johnfg: yea too bad we can't now fix flashplayer |
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| 06:00.54 | gnarface | HD flash, 100%cpu usage on a 64-bit dual-core 2.7GHZ amd proc? unacceptable |
| 06:01.05 | gnarface | plus it still skips frames to all hell |
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| 06:02.10 | sash_ | well. there is a reason |
| 06:02.14 | sash_ | flash sucks |
| 06:02.24 | zleslie | anyone tell me if zfs root is possible? Or usb kfbsd root? |
| 06:02.44 | gnarface | zfs root... intriguing |
| 06:02.51 | gnarface | what is kfbsd root? |
| 06:03.09 | johnfg | what do I need to install to have my mouse work in the console? |
| 06:03.19 | gnarface | johnfg: gpm |
| 06:03.20 | zleslie | johnfg: gpm |
| 06:03.29 | johnfg | Thanks! |
| 06:03.32 | zleslie | gnarface: kfreebsd is the freebsd kernwl with debian |
| 06:03.38 | zleslie | sounds amazing |
| 06:03.45 | gnarface | ooh ooh that's right! we got bsd now too! |
| 06:04.06 | gnarface | can't wait to replace his openbsd PF firewall with a debian PF firewall :-D!!! |
| 06:04.27 | zleslie | pfsense |
| 06:05.09 | gnarface | pfsense? is that in contrib or non-free? |
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| 06:05.38 | zleslie | ot |
| 06:06.04 | zleslie | #pfsense |
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| 06:06.30 | gnarface | off topic? i thought pf was in debian now too? |
| 06:07.06 | jordanm | openbsd pf is in debian now, but pfsense is a freebsd-based distro |
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| 06:08.01 | gnarface | openbsd pf != freebsd pf ? |
| 06:08.03 | gnarface | i didn't know that |
| 06:08.19 | jordanm | gnarface: no, its the same |
| 06:08.24 | jordanm | but "pfsense" is a distro |
| 06:08.25 | gnarface | so confused |
| 06:08.53 | jordanm | gnarface: "pfSense is a free, open source customized distribution of FreeBSD tailored for use as a firewall and router." |
| 06:09.02 | gnarface | ah!, i see. zleslie is telling me i should not try to firewall with debian |
| 06:09.14 | gnarface | i'd stick with openbsd in that case |
| 06:09.17 | jordanm | gnarface: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/ (also available in fbsd) |
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| 06:09.49 | johnfg | Have any of you migrated your evolution data files from lenny to squeeze? |
| 06:09.56 | johnfg | I tried, but it failed. |
| 06:10.34 | johnfg | Wondering if there's any other way to get that data over to squeeze's evolution. |
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| 06:11.49 | gnarface | what is evolution again? |
| 06:12.13 | jordanm | ,info evolution |
| 06:12.14 | judd | Package evolution (gnome, optional) in squeeze/i386: groupware suite with mail client and organizer. Version: 2.30.3-5; Size: 1087.9k; Installed: 4596k; Homepage: http://www.gnome.org/projects/evolution/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/evolution |
| 06:12.29 | zleslie | dpkg: ping |
| 06:12.30 | dpkg | pong |
| 06:12.38 | zleslie | who is judd? |
| 06:12.46 | johnfg | evolution data server, it's mail, contacts, calendar, notes, etc. |
| 06:16.00 | simonrvn | a bot |
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| 06:26.21 | mosno | is debtags-edit still around? i can't seem to find it in squeeze |
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| 06:29.56 | mosno | hrm, looks like it didn't make it to stable :( |
| 06:31.01 | jordanm | ,info debtags-edit |
| 06:31.02 | judd | No record of package 'debtags-edit' in squeeze/i386. |
| 06:31.09 | jordanm | ,versions debtags-edit |
| 06:31.12 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'debtags-edit' was found in i386. |
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| 06:31.24 | jordanm | mosno: didn't make it to any release |
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| 06:35.08 | mosno | jordanm: http://packages.debian.org/sid/debtags-edit |
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| 06:40.02 | gnarface | you guys know what i love about debian? |
| 06:40.07 | gnarface | fucking everything |
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| 06:40.59 | gnarface | should start The Church of Debian |
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| 06:48.03 | ElDiabolo | gnarface, Huh, you are so positive :) I rather have a "sucks less" attitude ... |
| 06:48.11 | piezo | morning |
| 06:49.03 | gnarface | i spent a long time with windows 95. debian is the way, the truth, and the light |
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| 06:54.02 | ElDiabolo | piezo, so you are in europe ... :) |
| 06:55.57 | gnarface | ElDiabolo: you should try to use ubuntu for a mission-critical server some day. your love for debian will magnify 10x |
| 06:56.10 | ElDiabolo | gnarface, OK, I admit I like it. If you feel overhelmed by euphoria, ask google for memory overcommitment. |
| 06:56.54 | gnarface | indeed! |
| 06:57.21 | gnarface | graduated from slackware to redhat |
| 06:57.27 | ElDiabolo | gnarface, Uh, OK, Ubuntu is for desktops, obviuosly. |
| 06:57.58 | gnarface | then graduated from redhat to gentoo |
| 06:58.12 | gnarface | stayed on gentoo for about a week then graduated to debian, didn't look back |
| 06:58.19 | jordanm | not sure that was a "graduation". sounds like a downgrade |
| 06:58.40 | jordanm | rh -> gentoo I mean :\ |
| 06:58.40 | gnarface | tried ubuntu 3x after that and was disgusted every time |
| 06:59.00 | gnarface | jordanm: keep in mind this was in 2006, before fedora, i believe |
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| 06:59.17 | gnarface | or at least before fedora was any good |
| 06:59.26 | gnarface | redhat was crap from about 7.2 on, IMO |
| 07:00.00 | ElDiabolo | gnarface, I worked in an enviroment where redhead enterprise linux was standard, from there ubuntu looked like a happy option. |
| 07:00.26 | gnarface | see, that's the thing... ubuntu had a server and desktop version, they both failed me utterly. debian can be as easily used on servers or workstations. i like that |
| 07:01.55 | gnarface | don't get me wrong, i'd certainly pick ubuntu over redhat, but ONLY because it's a "debian derivitive" which means that i can break all sorts of rules in a pinch and shoehorn actual debian packages into it |
| 07:01.55 | jordanm | ElDiabolo: I am a CentOS admin... and I would much rather keep that than ubuntu |
| 07:01.55 | gnarface | and that is the ONLY reason i'd pick ubuntu |
| 07:01.57 | gnarface | if debian wasn't an option |
| 07:02.15 | marklde | Anyone know what is the debian (lenny) equivalent of libnetsnmp-devel? |
| 07:02.19 | ElDiabolo | My impression was that red hat enterprise linux has some expensive certification process for each package. So as a result I had to learn RPM packaging, because a lot was missing :) |
| 07:02.53 | jordanm | marklde: libsnmp-dev? |
| 07:03.12 | jordanm | ElDiabolo: these days there is the EPEL |
| 07:03.27 | marklde | jordanm: uh ... duh ... thank you. I had thought I installed that. oops. |
| 07:03.51 | gnarface | ElDiabolo: all red hat enterprise has that debian doesn't is a bunch of corporate paper trail shit that has no beneficial contribution (and in fact i would go so far as to say is harmful to) to real-world stability, performance and compatibility |
| 07:04.31 | jordanm | gnarface: uhh, they contribute a lot to the upstream kernel development |
| 07:04.54 | marklde | man, this is the part I hate... giving this mysterious hp printer installer permission to use dpkg and install shit on my system? I don't like it. but what choice do I have? :( |
| 07:05.24 | gnarface | jordanm: i wouldn't disagree with that but also their package stratification is bogus. one php package for everything? come on. the reason i like debian is because it taught me that i don't have to recompile my own packages for every god damned thing |
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| 07:05.36 | jordanm | marklde: I have never seen an HP printer that I didn't just "aptitdue install hplip-gui" and done with... |
| 07:05.52 | marklde | jordanm: neither had I until today :-( |
| 07:06.14 | ElDiabolo | jordanm, What is the EPEL? |
| 07:06.17 | jordanm | gnarface: well I am also a cPanel admin which is *much* worse than any of those rh strategies |
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| 07:06.23 | marklde | jordanm: I guess hp has become more aggressive in linux driver idiocy. At least we don't have those 600 MB driver installs that windows does. (yet?) |
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| 07:06.30 | DizzyLizzy | Is typing '/' at the gnome desktop new in this version? |
| 07:06.34 | jordanm | gnarface: need a php module? well, you have to recompile php AND apache |
| 07:06.36 | gnarface | jordanm: god i'm sorry. cpanel/plesk == the bane of humanity |
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| 07:06.49 | jordanm | gnarface: I am a plesk admin too... |
| 07:07.18 | jordanm | plesk is harder to fix when it breaks, but atleast it uses packages and is FHS compliant |
| 07:07.29 | gnarface | jordanm: yea i apt-cache searche ^php5 for the first time on a debian system after all that monthly redhat php/apache recompile shit and nearly spooged in my pants |
| 07:07.39 | jordanm | plesk won't allow you to debug it. it sends itself a SIGKILL if you attach to it with strace |
| 07:08.42 | marklde | it is like hp thinks I am running gentoo ... it is building this crap from source |
| 07:08.56 | gnarface | writes PHP for a living. almost ALWAYS had to compile custom apache/php packages on every other system to fit any job. almost never has to now on debian, because of how modular the packages are.. |
| 07:09.16 | gnarface | its not even about the package management system, its about the packages themselves, Debian's packages are just much better modularized |
| 07:09.28 | marklde | gnarface: that's nice, man, I' |
| 07:09.32 | marklde | erm, I'll remember that story |
| 07:09.32 | xk | all your packages are belong to redhat |
| 07:09.32 | gnarface | this is something redhat could do too but for some reason that boggles my mind they have not |
| 07:09.52 | marklde | their engineers are just not as smart as ours |
| 07:09.57 | marklde | oops, did I just say that out loud |
| 07:10.07 | gnarface | i don't thin its even that... i think its that their engineers just don't use their own software |
| 07:10.13 | jordanm | because they like the idea of just giving you everything. that way proprietary applications can be crappier and just expect things to be there |
| 07:10.14 | gnarface | debian is by+for the users |
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| 07:10.20 | gnarface | redhat has become by+for profit |
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| 07:11.02 | gnarface | just try it |
| 07:11.17 | gnarface | search redhat's package tree (unless its changed in the last year) you get one php package |
| 07:11.19 | gnarface | one fucking package |
| 07:11.36 | gnarface | search debians just for the php5 packages.... every php module is in a separate package |
| 07:11.39 | jordanm | gnarface: its split up some, but nothing like debian |
| 07:12.11 | gnarface | i almost stopped even needing pickl/pear, except for bleeding-edge php modules |
| 07:12.47 | jordanm | I have never needed cpan in debian... all the time in centos |
| 07:12.51 | vsmatck | Hm. Just ran upgrade-from-grub-legacy now my system hangs on grub. Is there a way to undo that? |
| 07:13.01 | vsmatck | It's a really old computer. 440lx. |
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| 07:13.17 | gnarface | holy crap an LX? |
| 07:13.19 | gnarface | man i had one of those |
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| 07:13.26 | gnarface | burned out overclocking |
| 07:13.33 | vsmatck | dual p2 266 :) |
| 07:13.34 | gnarface | that's a pentium 1 system, isn't it? |
| 07:13.38 | gnarface | oh |
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| 07:13.43 | gnarface | didnt' know LX made it to p2's |
| 07:13.56 | vsmatck | I think you can put up to 333mhz p2 overdrives in it. |
| 07:14.07 | gnarface | dear lord |
| 07:14.26 | vsmatck | I'm booted off a debian lenny installer CD now and I have my drive mounted. *pokes around* |
| 07:14.31 | gnarface | wishes the 440BX chipset had lived on. |
| 07:14.58 | gnarface | almost 15 years on and i've got BX boards still running |
| 07:15.16 | gnarface | i hadn't heard of an LX survive this long |
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| 07:16.08 | gnarface | my theory is they finished designing the 440BX on a wednesday |
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| 07:16.20 | gnarface | everything built on a wednesday lasts longer |
| 07:16.59 | legn | Hi, I need to set up up a Debian system with specific(quite old) versions of a lot of packages - how can I do that starting at base install? |
| 07:17.12 | gnarface | oh boy |
| 07:17.28 | gnarface | legn: i don't think i know the answer but it sounds exciting. have you heard of backports? |
| 07:17.39 | legn | nope - sounds painful |
| 07:17.57 | gnarface | legn: don't worry i think actually that backports is opposite of what you need |
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| 07:18.04 | legn | ok |
| 07:18.23 | jordanm | legn: what packages, which versions, and why? |
| 07:18.26 | gnarface | legn: out of curiosity, which packages |
| 07:18.29 | vsmatck | Still boned. Just hangs on black screen with GRUB and a little blinking underscore. |
| 07:18.36 | legn | lemme see.. |
| 07:18.50 | vsmatck | Tried renaming the backup menu.lst_backup.. to menu.lst. |
| 07:18.54 | legn | adduser-3.102 |
| 07:18.55 | legn | apache2-2.2.6 |
| 07:18.55 | legn | apr-1.2.7 |
| 07:18.55 | legn | apr-util-1.2.7+dfsg |
| 07:18.55 | legn | apt-0.6.46.4 |
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| 07:18.57 | gnarface | vsmatck: you CAN boot this machine with a livecd right? you know the hardware isn't jacked? |
| 07:18.58 | vsmatck | I really don't fully understand how grub works tho. |
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| 07:19.09 | jordanm | vsmatck: menu.list is no longer used. |
| 07:19.27 | vsmatck | yeah, I upgraded it and rebooted. It was working fine until I did the upgrade-from-grub-legacy command and rebooted. |
| 07:19.28 | gnarface | vsmatck: yea everything moved to /etc/grub, idon't know how it works either anymore |
| 07:19.33 | vsmatck | oh |
| 07:19.40 | jordanm | vsmatck: chroot into the install. aptitude remove grub-pc; aptitude install grub; grub-install <drive>; update-grub |
| 07:19.42 | gnarface | vsmatck: grub2 !== grub1 |
| 07:19.58 | vsmatck | I'll go look in there. |
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| 07:20.23 | gnarface | vsmatck: /etc/grub.d maybe |
| 07:20.45 | jordanm | legn: ok, now why would you need a really outdated a version of apt? |
| 07:20.51 | jordanm | !tell legn about paste? |
| 07:20.52 | jordanm | !tell legn about paste |
| 07:21.03 | gnarface | legn: fyi don't paste in here, pastebin and then paste the link in here |
| 07:21.24 | gnarface | damn jordanm you're beating me to every reply. i must be lagging |
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| 07:21.40 | gnarface | (or you're just really fast) |
| 07:22.44 | legn | ok... forgot about irc flood-thing |
| 07:22.44 | legn | ..sorry |
| 07:22.44 | legn | http://paste.debian.net/107124/ |
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| 07:23.29 | jordanm | legn: ok, that lists looks really dumb. whats it for? |
| 07:23.29 | Arrowmaster | !snapshots |
| 07:23.30 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 07:23.33 | legn | I need to compile som stuff for a NetGear NAS-box |
| 07:23.43 | gnarface | legn: you need the old version of ALL those packages? if that's true then you should just not upgrade the software OR the hardware (ever) but i'm skeptical that you really need that old of a version of ALL that stuff |
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| 07:24.01 | vsmatck | blech, every time I upgrade this thing it robs a day or two of my life. |
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| 07:24.19 | legn | it's what's on the box... running apt-get or anything has a 70% chance of bricking the box |
| 07:24.28 | jordanm | legn: but you have specific versions for many things that would not affect compiling anything |
| 07:24.35 | legn | ....so I'm trying to replicate the system |
| 07:24.50 | jordanm | eg. unzip, wget, adduser |
| 07:24.50 | OrigenAG | Hi All, something is preventing me from unmounting a a drive (device busy) but I cannot see anythign using lsof or fuser - any suggestions as to what else I can do to diagnose the issue? |
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| 07:24.56 | gnarface | legn: what era? etch? older?? |
| 07:24.58 | jordanm | legn: it basically looks like etch |
| 07:25.16 | legn | I know - I jst unzipped and dumped the file list for the *latest* firmware |
| 07:25.56 | legn | dunnu much about debian I'm afraid - I'm *cough* a gentoo user :s |
| 07:25.58 | gnarface | legn: chances are your problem is that you didn't upgrade it to lenny when you had the chance, now that lenny is old too you might want to consider a fresh squeeze install then manual integration of whatever it is you're trying to compile from there |
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| 07:26.41 | gnarface | legn: unless that is someone here can walk you through an upgrade from etch -> lenny then from lenny -> squeeze |
| 07:26.47 | jordanm | gnarface: no, I have seen that before. its a fairly specific embedded device. doubtful it will run squeeze kernel needed for udev |
| 07:26.55 | jordanm | and it has its own community support IIRC |
| 07:27.03 | legn | it does? |
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| 07:27.08 | legn | cool |
| 07:27.14 | gnarface | jordanm: ah i see. so legn should just check with the community and/or not upgrade? |
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| 07:27.31 | jordanm | I would say so, yes |
| 07:27.31 | gnarface | legn: what is your hardware again? |
| 07:27.57 | gnarface | didn't understand what legn's hardware even was |
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| 07:28.12 | legn | don't wanna upgrade, I wanna recreate the system under qemu - so I can make packages for all that is missing |
| 07:28.14 | jordanm | probably a readynas |
| 07:28.26 | legn | .....like LDAP ffs! |
| 07:28.36 | legn | thx guys |
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| 07:28.55 | legn | *my hardware is ultra 4 |
| 07:29.00 | gnarface | jordanm: network audio server set top box? is that what i'm hearing? i didn't even know there was consumer grade things such as this, other than like... appletv |
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| 07:29.22 | legn | ...and no, it's not sparc (oddly) |
| 07:29.28 | legn | intel atom |
| 07:29.31 | jordanm | gnarface: network attached storage |
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| 07:30.27 | legn | * I meant, my hardware is a ReadyNAS Ultra 4 |
| 07:30.35 | gnarface | jordanm: aah. sorry, i'm dumb |
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| 07:31.19 | gnarface | now i'm really confused though.... intel atom processor support in etch? doesn't etch predate the atom processor? |
| 07:31.50 | gnarface | legn: you really gotta see if this device has a dedicated community. sounds like its running some bastardized debian install, that might be most your problem |
| 07:32.24 | legn | bastardized is the word I was looking for |
| 07:32.26 | jordanm | gnarface: atoms are i686 arch chips |
| 07:32.26 | Arrowmaster | atom is just an i386 processor isnt it? |
| 07:32.34 | legn | you should see what they did to init ;( |
| 07:32.48 | gnarface | jordanm, Arrowmaster hell if i know |
| 07:32.49 | legn | no, atom is 64-bits (of sorts) |
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| 07:33.05 | legn | *this one is anyway |
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| 07:33.33 | gnarface | owns a gp2x wiz handheld gaming device (basically a linux emulator box) produced out of korea. mostly it runs a debian derivitive but i'd sooner shoot myself in the foot then actually try to install stock debian on it |
| 07:33.36 | jordanm | legn: looks like only the newer ones |
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| 07:33.53 | legn | Linux 2.6.33.7.RNx86_64.2.2 #1 SMP Fri Oct 15 13:20:46 PDT 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 07:34.39 | legn | qoth teh box! |
| 07:35.13 | gnarface | dual core even |
| 07:35.15 | gnarface | sounds fancy |
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| 07:36.00 | legn | only NAS in my price range that managed half the transfer speed of my antique ppc server :-/ |
| 07:36.14 | Master | hey ; www.isitmeengelliler.com come please?? |
| 07:36.20 | gnarface | legn: now i'm almost sure that you're looking in the wrong place for updates for this thing - not that shoehorning stock debian on it isn't a noble goal |
| 07:36.30 | legn | nono |
| 07:36.46 | legn | Not doing anything to the box |
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| 07:37.25 | legn | I need to make a development environment for it - not putting a compiler on that thing |
| 07:37.42 | gnarface | oh i see |
| 07:37.54 | gnarface | that's even more interesting, but i personally really can't help |
| 07:37.56 | legn | ...and i need to put in what's missing: LDAP. KERBEROS etc etc etc |
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| 07:39.11 | legn | how the "#$%%!$& anyone can make a nas oblivious to LDAP is beyond me, but... |
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| 07:40.14 | legn | Well, thx anyway |
| 07:40.33 | legn | guess LFS might be the way to go... |
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| 07:40.35 | gnarface | legn: how many concurrent connections/ how much throughput do you really need for this thing? have you considered the possibility of replacing it with commodity hardware might cost less than the time you're spending on it? |
| 07:41.02 | gnarface | i know that this is about debian which makes that suggestion Off Topic |
| 07:41.08 | gnarface | but seriously... |
| 07:41.13 | gnarface | how much is your time worth per hour? |
| 07:41.26 | gnarface | think about it |
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| 07:41.58 | legn | well...need... it was to replace a monstrous ppc server making too much noise for my wifes taste; and doublig our power bill... |
| 07:42.20 | Talon_ | I want to give debian 6 a try on my laptop, its currently got windows XP on it, i would like to dual-boot, does the debian installer have a tool which can resize my partition so i have freespace to make linux partitions? |
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| 07:42.44 | legn | and as the NAS on a good day can make half of the 80MB/Sec I got from the server it kinda seems like a downgrade |
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| 07:43.00 | gnarface | legn: i've totally been there myself... not that in my experience ppc server throughput is superior to ... anything at all, but formulaicly i get you |
| 07:43.02 | legn | still lightyears better than that QNAP-mess |
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| 07:43.39 | gnarface | Talon_: just boot the liveCD if you want to try it out with no commitments. don't be crazy |
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| 07:44.03 | Talon_ | i've evaluated it in a virtual machine and i want to try it natively |
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| 07:44.28 | rajendrau | how to run a linux executable without putting more IO on system (i.e. to run smoothly) |
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| 07:44.34 | Talon_ | i know i got an ubuntu cd that can do it, and I think i got partition magic that can also do it, my question was more, do i haveto search for one of em or can debian do it? :) |
| 07:45.03 | jordanm | rajendrau: you could ionice -c 3 it |
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| 07:45.56 | jordanm | Talon_: you can probably install gparted in debian-live if it does not come with it |
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| 07:46.05 | jordanm | Talon_: debian-live has an installer now |
| 07:46.21 | gnarface | Talon_: i'd assume the debian livecd can do it easily. personally i've only ever done that with knoppix though because at the time debian didn't have a native livecd (knoppix is essentially a livecd derivitive of debian created as an answer to the previous lack of debian having a live cd) |
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| 07:48.05 | vsmatck | What is a debian rescue cd? I can't seem to find a debian live cd that fits on a cd. |
| 07:48.15 | Talon_ | yea i didn't download a live-cd, i just downloaded debian6-[amd64 for my main, i386 for my laptop]-cd-1.iso ... I don't have the internet speeds to effectively install by net, unless i want to let my computer run for a couple days lol. |
| 07:48.17 | jordanm | !debian-live |
| 07:48.17 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 07:48.27 | gnarface | vsmatck: check your default boot kernel options, the rescue mode is built in niow |
| 07:48.49 | vsmatck | I don't have a squeeze cd. Only a lenny one. |
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| 07:48.55 | kblessinggr | hrm, If I'm SSH tunneling into the server to connect to mysql I should be able to do so just fine if my SSH port is open in the firewall... little confused cuz I can still login via SSH after enabling apf, but I can't get connected (navicat premium) which would SSH tunnel before. So not sure if there's another port I need to open |
| 07:49.43 | jordanm | kblessinggr: does that application support using a SOCKS proxy? |
| 07:49.59 | gnarface | kblessinggr: i'm assuming user error on the part of your tunneling command. keep in mind that by default debian's mysql only connects to localhost |
| 07:50.01 | vsmatck | Ah, I just get the install CD. Gotcha. |
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| 07:51.05 | kblessinggr | gnarface I'm well aware of that, thus why tunnel thru SSH to connec tto a .sock which has worked before (and yes in my.cnf its bound only to 127.0.0.1) , just enabling afp doesn't let it work anymore, it can connect to the SSH tunnel which that dialog pops up but hangs when trying to connect to Mysql aftwards, and not sure if the firewall also applies to local connections too |
| 07:51.37 | kblessinggr | in the application I'm using a SSH tunnel with a paired-key as I've always done before |
| 07:52.04 | kblessinggr | and under advanced I tell it to use a socket file for localhost connections (which again worked before after logging in via SSH tunnel) |
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| 07:52.18 | kblessinggr | so just wondering if there's an apf rule I need to ensure some kind of localhost connection |
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| 07:52.45 | gnarface | kblessinggr: the only three parts of this that confuse me are that 1) you are using socks AND ssh tunnels how/why??? 2) what is afp again??? how is it relevant? 3) this always works for me |
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| 07:53.55 | kblessinggr | gnarface the application itself logs into the server via an SSH tunnel, then connect to mysql via the localhost socket |
| 07:54.03 | kblessinggr | apf = apf-firewall |
| 07:54.07 | kblessinggr | its in aptitude |
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| 07:54.16 | gnarface | kblessinggr: fyi the newest versions of mysql *i think* may have native ssl support for remote database connections... you might want to check that out to simplify your setup |
| 07:54.20 | kblessinggr | and I did not say "always works for me" don't go there |
| 07:55.09 | gnarface | kblessinggr: what i meant by #3 is that it always works for ME |
| 07:55.15 | gnarface | me personally |
| 07:55.16 | gnarface | not you |
| 07:55.20 | kblessinggr | sec, I'll get a quick vid, might be easier |
| 07:55.30 | gnarface | ok |
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| 07:56.36 | gnarface | puts his firewalls on different physical machines from his database/email/web servers |
| 07:57.08 | gnarface | i know it wastes electricity, but i like to adhere to tradition |
| 07:57.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | sigh. debian still fscking on boot? welcome to 2005 -.- |
| 07:57.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | stabs laptops |
| 07:57.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | s/boot/battery boot/ |
| 07:57.39 | jordanm | if you are on ext4, it fsck's *much* faster than ext3 |
| 07:57.46 | gnarface | Kamping_Kaiser: use reiserfs and be happy. ignore reiserfs haters in channel |
| 07:58.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | no thanks, i'll stick with ext3. |
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| 07:58.19 | gnarface | contrary to popular believe reiserfs fsck's itself every fucking time it boots. it just happens so fast people think it can't |
| 07:58.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'm annoyed the problem still exists, not that i can easilyh work around it :} |
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| 07:59.16 | gnarface | Kamping_Kaiser: seriously.... default ext[3|4] behavior. hate it? you have several other filesysems to choose from. i recommend reiserfs for a system with lots of small files, and xfs for a system iwth lots of large files |
| 07:59.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | gnarface: i'm not objecting to the filesystems behaviour, i'm objecting to the init systems |
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| 07:59.55 | gnarface | ditched ext3 specfically *because* i was tired of it fscking the hell out of itself during mission-cricital reboots |
| 08:00.34 | Bushmills | Kamping_Kaiser: "welcome to 2005" .. what do you expect with a file system from 2001 ... |
| 08:00.34 | gnarface | though it certainly helped that at the time reiserfs3 was benchmarking WAY better for my web servers |
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| 08:02.00 | gnarface | here's my rule of thumb: most-read files on system < 4k, reiserfs...... most-read files on system > 100MB, XFS.... don't know? ext3, and just suffer fucking excessive fscking |
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| 08:03.07 | jordanm | I wouldn't put ext4 on my servers, but its perfectly suitable for desktops, and I just want it for the faster fsck |
| 08:03.16 | jordanm | it is *considerably* faster |
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| 08:04.00 | gnarface | although reiserfs doesn't do well with large deletes, so if you have a lot of automated deletes on a system you might want to go with something else as well... but for 4k files and less, with primary access being READ, it wins epic |
| 08:05.01 | gnarface | (IE, standard webservers typically reiserfs ftw, standard database servers or backup servers typically XFS wins... else it hardly matters, use ext3) |
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| 08:08.43 | gnarface | i still wonder about the stigma against reiserfs. in real-world tests it benchmarks great for the test cases it is purported to emphasize. so what if the guy who made it killed his wife? i heard she was asking for it |
| 08:09.42 | boota2 | 1. |
| 08:09.47 | boota2 | 1 |
| 08:09.56 | boota2 | Oh. |
| 08:10.24 | boota2 | 1. be cool nerd |
| 08:10.24 | boota2 | 2. design new filesystem |
| 08:10.24 | boota2 | 3. kill your wife |
| 08:10.24 | boota2 | 4. ???? |
| 08:10.24 | boota2 | 5. PROFIT |
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| 08:10.52 | gnarface | well, its probably truthfully a lot more complicated than ever came out in the court stories |
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| 08:12.13 | gnarface | doesn't really matter. we all know genius and madness are closely paired |
| 08:12.22 | gnarface | reiserfs does great for what it was intended to do |
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| 08:12.56 | gnarface | ext3 is a good general purpose system with a lot of care and feeding, but the fact of the matter is that corner cases aren't always well served by general-purpose file systems |
| 08:13.06 | homecable | <jordanm> I wouldn't put ext4 on my servers, but its perfectly suitable for desktops, and I just want it for the faster fsck |
| 08:13.10 | homecable | lol |
| 08:13.17 | homecable | ext4 is just fine |
| 08:13.53 | gnarface | xfs is massively undervalued, and reiserfs is also given less credit than it is due because of the political fallout of the reiser murder trial |
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| 08:14.03 | gnarface | ext4 is very promising |
| 08:14.11 | gnarface | btrfs ? i keep hearing about that too |
| 08:14.13 | jordanm | brtfs is promising |
| 08:14.21 | gnarface | some day both of them will replace everything, i think |
| 08:14.23 | dokaya | is this support channel for debian linux only ? |
| 08:14.29 | jordanm | dokaya: yes |
| 08:14.36 | gnarface | sorry dokaya i brought it offtopic with my rand |
| 08:14.39 | gnarface | rant |
| 08:14.42 | gnarface | dokaya: what's up? |
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| 08:15.22 | homecable | xfs would be good for larger file systems |
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| 08:16.06 | homecable | XFS is a 64-bit file system. It supports a maximum file system size of 8 exbibytes minus one byte, though this is subject to block limits imposed by the host operating system. On 32-bit Linux systems, this limits the file and file system sizes to 16 tebibytes. |
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| 08:17.21 | homecable | XFS is a high-performance journaling file system created by Silicon Graphics, originally for their IRIX operating system and later ported to the Linux kernel. XFS is particularly proficient at handling large files and at offering smooth data transfers. |
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| 08:17.43 | gnarface | XFS its VERY good, in fact i'd go so far as to say it is irreplaceable if you're doing backups of large raw video content files (like if you're running a HD pornography production studio, just to site an example) |
| 08:17.53 | jordanm | !zfs |
| 08:17.53 | dpkg | ZFS (originally Zettabyte File System) is a file system / logical volume manager developed by Sun Microsystems (http://deb.li/7xXU). The Debian GNU/kFreeBSD kernel since 7.2 has ZFS support, the userland utilities are packaged as zfsutils in squeeze. A <FUSE> implementation for Debian GNU/Linux systems is in zfs-fuse. For ZFS on Squeeze, see http://deb.li/i4JhI . http://zfs-fuse.net/ #zfs-fuse on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 08:18.22 | jordanm | if your talking backups, ZFS supports deduplication at filesystem level |
| 08:18.27 | jordanm | you're |
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| 08:18.39 | gnarface | only useful for backups to clusters |
| 08:18.45 | gnarface | say you just have a very large SAN |
| 08:18.49 | Rienzilla | the onl drawback of xfs is that _if_ the filesystem becomes corrupt, you're gonna have a hard time fixing it |
| 08:18.50 | gnarface | xfs wins |
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| 08:19.16 | gnarface | Rienzilla: people say this about reiserfs too... but i havn't seen such a corruption for either since the 90's. |
| 08:19.41 | jordanm | gnarface: we recently implemented on some plain NAS boxes using nexenta. the difference was noticable from ext3 |
| 08:20.03 | gnarface | 90% of the time for EITHER such corruptions are hardware-failure induced. |
| 08:20.26 | Rienzilla | gnarface: yes, that's true. But hardware failure happens :) |
| 08:20.41 | gnarface | if you're backing up 16GB files to a raid array with parity (and how the hell would you be backing them up anywhere else?) then such a problem is non existent |
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| 08:20.59 | gnarface | sorry meant to say 16TB |
| 08:21.02 | Rienzilla | I have never had my xfs's die for another reason |
| 08:21.06 | kblessinggr | gnarface funny thing btw, in the app which previously has been set to localhost and has worked fine before, suddenly is all good if I change localhost to 127.0.0.1. (guessing maybe I need to check my hosts on the box itself), But here's the video so you can see what I was talking bout in terms of SSH Tunnel + Socket. http://img.xlu.be/navicat.m4v |
| 08:21.41 | gnarface | kblessinggr: i'll look at the video but i'd bet its your hosts file as well |
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| 08:22.41 | kblessinggr | this is at the top of my /etc/hosts on the box itself http://paste.pocoo.org/show/335565/ so i mean , its there... |
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| 08:24.35 | gnarface | kblessinggr: doesn't look right to me. i'm not good with ipv6 but it looks like your ipv4 line is right and should be the first line in the file, but the ipv6 line is utterly wrong |
| 08:24.38 | vsmatck | The 440LX lives!!!1 |
| 08:24.54 | kblessinggr | gnarface IPv6? |
| 08:24.55 | gnarface | vsmatck: hooraay! you must have got the one built on a wednesday |
| 08:24.58 | kblessinggr | oh in there |
| 08:24.59 | vsmatck | Found directions on how to use the recovery mode on debian.org. Worked like a charm. |
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| 08:25.33 | kblessinggr | gnarface actually come think of it, it might have tried to connect locally on IPv6 which I do not have mysql listening on. |
| 08:25.40 | vsmatck | gnarface: Thanks for pointing me in the right direction man. |
| 08:25.42 | kblessinggr | ie: via the resolving of 'localhost' |
| 08:25.43 | yagoo | lol |
| 08:25.48 | gnarface | kblessinggr: yea your first line should be ::1 ip6-localhost ip6-loopback i think but there are like 5 other standard ipv6 lines missing that are in mine |
| 08:26.05 | gnarface | vsmatck: happy to be of service |
| 08:26.36 | gnarface | kblessinggr: lemme paste my /etc/hosts to show you what it should look like |
| 08:26.40 | kblessinggr | gnarface it was auto generated, so not sure what it should be |
| 08:27.13 | kblessinggr | gnarface the only thing I can think of is the squeeze dist-upgrade but you wouldn't think it would touch the hosts file |
| 08:27.14 | twanny796 | I need a precompiled pata_it821x module for 2.6.26-2-686 ?? |
| 08:27.41 | twanny796 | how come it's not included in lenny? |
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| 08:28.03 | gnarface | kblessinggr: here, look at this, http://pastebin.com/xhMTep9v |
| 08:28.25 | kblessinggr | hrm |
| 08:28.30 | kblessinggr | well can't hurt for me to add em |
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| 08:28.46 | kblessinggr | and to remove the whole localhost line (ie: making it strictly 127.0.0.1) |
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| 08:28.56 | gnarface | kblessinggr: i dunno, all i know is the part after "# The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts" is supposed to be universal and static. |
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| 08:30.21 | kblessinggr | gnarface but yea getting rid of the IPv6 association to localhost does allow me to use localhost in the app (and its not like I NEED to use an ipv6 loopback for something like internal mysql connectino) |
| 08:30.31 | gnarface | kblessinggr: that's just an example, i have a few other ipv4 rules custom to my setup , but the ipv6 part is after them all and it was autogenerated and i'm led to believe should not be changed as it is the standard ipv6 eqivalent of the ipv4 loopback stuff |
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| 08:30.57 | kblessinggr | gnarface I just simply copied your IPv6 ones |
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| 08:31.13 | kblessinggr | only services I have listening on IPv6 are for remote connections anyways |
| 08:31.26 | gnarface | kblessinggr: is the issue here that you have only ipv6 addresses available? i was under the impression that ipv6 contains reverse-compatibility for ipv4... on my lan i run both in parallel |
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| 08:32.09 | kblessinggr | I wanted to use ufw for a firewall but it doesn't work with IPv6 (won't ever update the ip6tables , and actually causes it to deny all), least with apf it won't touch ip6table , but won't flush em either when it restarts so I use that for the IPv4 stuff (Since it keeps up to date with spamhaus and such) |
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| 08:32.21 | yagoo | gnarface, there are tunnels for ipv4 ipv6.. but they're initrinsically incompatible.. different headers |
| 08:32.29 | kblessinggr | gnarface naw I got IPv4 , the issue was thinking I needed to add something to my firewall |
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| 08:32.31 | gnarface | yagoo: good to know |
| 08:32.36 | kblessinggr | but just turns out to be a bad host setup |
| 08:33.03 | kblessinggr | also my home computer I use a 4-to-6 tunnel for IPv6 but my server is natively IPv6 (but does IPv4 traffic mostly) |
| 08:33.35 | gnarface | kblessinggr: here's my guess what is wrong based on your /etc/hosts... you got a ipv4 mysql server that something is trying to locate using ipv6 addresses it doesn't have, due to the fact you got 'localhost' in your /etc/hosts set to an ipv6 address rather than an ipv4 address.... |
| 08:33.39 | kblessinggr | ever since I turned on console output for apf alerts, I'm having fun seeing all these odd attempts at various ports |
| 08:33.41 | gnarface | that's just my guess, at least |
| 08:33.55 | kblessinggr | gnarface I'd agree with that |
| 08:34.21 | waka | I'm really struggling to get my very old sound card to work on squeeze |
| 08:34.24 | kblessinggr | hrm that last alert was to 3306 |
| 08:34.27 | kblessinggr | hehe guess someone tried to log in |
| 08:34.30 | yagoo | kblessinggr, if you do ping localhost, is it ipv6 or ipv4? my guess it's ipv4 |
| 08:34.33 | gnarface | kblessinggr: newer debian installs default to having ipv6 and ipv4 both concurrently, fyi |
| 08:34.42 | kblessinggr | yagoo well NOW its ipv4 |
| 08:34.54 | kblessinggr | cuz I removed the localhost line for IPv6 and used gnarface's suggestion/hosts |
| 08:35.38 | gnarface | kblessinggr: that hosts file is what i got auto-generated from my debian install... so how you got something so massively different is what makes me nervous |
| 08:35.49 | yagoo | kblessinggr, according to debianv6, i do have localhost for ::1 .. |
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| 08:36.16 | kblessinggr | gnarface well the difference we may have is that my OS was originally a lenny template from OpenVz "precreated" and that it was upgraded to squeeze later |
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| 08:36.25 | yagoo | kblessinggr, but it's after the 127.0.0.1 line |
| 08:36.29 | tarzeau | my apt-get and aptitude segfault on update on sparc sid... E: Method rred has died unexpectedly! |
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| 08:36.32 | tarzeau | E: Sub-process rred received a segmentation fault. |
| 08:36.38 | jampola | Hi All. I am absolutely struggling to get an external USB NTFS drive to mount on boot. I am mounting with ntfs-3g in my fstab file but it will fail at boot, but if I "mount -a" after boot, all is fine and mounts normally |
| 08:36.45 | kblessinggr | yagoo so it would take precendence then, I could try it and see what happens |
| 08:36.45 | waka | anyone please recommend a sound card that will give me no sweat? |
| 08:36.54 | gnarface | kblessinggr: aaah, yea my installs are all debian on bare hardware |
| 08:37.02 | yagoo | kblessinggr, was this your issue? |
| 08:37.32 | yagoo | kblessinggr, ::1 localhost ip6-localhost ip6-looopback |
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| 08:37.56 | gnarface | jampola: just make sure your ntfs module is loaded before it tries to mount... |
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| 08:38.49 | jampola | gnarface: I am pretty sure it is, as the error at boot is coming directly from the ntfs-3g module, it errors saying it cannot find the device |
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| 08:39.01 | kblessinggr | yagoo basically my original issue that I *thought * I had was simply that the firewall I setup needed more than just 3306 open locally, but just turns out after the application SSH Tunnel'd in , it was trying to connec tto whatever 'localhost' address was avail |
| 08:39.13 | kblessinggr | and since ID on't have mysql listening on IPv6 it'd time out since it tried to use ::1 by default |
| 08:39.14 | yagoo | jampola, fstab should have "ntfs-3g" as filesystem type.. |
| 08:39.25 | jampola | yagoo: it does |
| 08:39.36 | yagoo | kblessinggr, i noticed it's actually a mac app :pp |
| 08:39.47 | kblessinggr | yea it is :P |
| 08:39.49 | yagoo | jampola, are you on sid? |
| 08:40.01 | yagoo | jampola, it should work.. try posting (pastebinit) |
| 08:40.07 | jampola | yagoo: nope, lenny |
| 08:40.09 | kblessinggr | I can use the mysql console just fine, but I prefer to do things like transfers and time consuming stuff via the app |
| 08:40.10 | jampola | hold on |
| 08:40.35 | s3phir0th115 | Any reason sshfs won't work in the latest stable, even though the user was added to the fuse group? |
| 08:40.43 | s3phir0th115 | Tried googling this to no avail |
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| 08:41.21 | yagoo | s3phir0th115, can you sftp into it:? |
| 08:41.29 | gnarface | waka: if you only need stereo sound (no dolby digital 5.1 crap) and you don't care that the card has NO hardware acceleration for audio, i recommend the ensoniq audio pci 1317 (or one of the similar revision) else, any creative labs "live!" based card (though the drivers for those in linux tend to get the audio channels in the wrong order often and need hand tweaking to correct) |
| 08:41.36 | s3phir0th115 | yagoo, yes |
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| 08:42.07 | s3phir0th115 | Keeps giving me permission denied |
| 08:42.17 | jampola | yagoo: http://paste.debian.net/107130/ |
| 08:42.35 | gnarface | waka: (i meant ensoniq 1371 when i said 1317) |
| 08:43.01 | jampola | yagoo: and you're right, it SHOULD work, but it don't. bah. I have a feeling it might be that it takes too long for the drive to be recognized during boot or something? |
| 08:43.25 | yagoo | jampola, selinux. haha |
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| 08:45.14 | yagoo | jampola, not for ur case.. i meant selinux for s3phir0th115, .. |
| 08:45.35 | jampola | yagoo, I have even tried adding a mount line into init files left right and center with no success! I am wondering if it would make a diff if i reformat the drive as ext3... but then I don't know if it is a ntfs-3g issue or a usb issue. |
| 08:45.39 | yagoo | jampola, for ur case, try using "rw,auto" instead of defaults |
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| 08:45.53 | s3phir0th115 | Oh? I don't recall selecting anything like that for the install |
| 08:45.57 | s3phir0th115 | Any way to fix it? |
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| 08:46.15 | yagoo | s3phir0th115, look into if selinux has anything to do with it.. if it's on .. check out anything for sshfs for selinux |
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| 08:47.16 | jampola | yagoo, i'll give it a shot. i'll have a try tonight as it's acting as a file server and I might piss off a few people if I restart. thanks mate, i'll report back with success or failure. |
| 08:47.53 | gnarface | know what i like most about being a debian/gnu/linux zealot? when someone asks me to figure out how to do something with ntfs i can tell them to fuck off |
| 08:48.05 | yagoo | s3phir0th115, i'm seeing this from a nondebian helppage-> "If you get a fusermount denied error you may need to set sshfs to SUID:" su -c 'chmod u+s /usr/bin/sshfs' |
| 08:48.09 | yagoo | dunno if that helps |
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| 08:49.34 | s3phir0th115 | That did it |
| 08:49.38 | yagoo | ok |
| 08:49.40 | s3phir0th115 | Thanks |
| 08:49.44 | yagoo | np |
| 08:49.55 | s3phir0th115 | Wonder why though.... |
| 08:50.31 | yagoo | s3phir0th115, you were turning off "auto" and defaults was being triggered.. |
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| 08:50.40 | yagoo | s3phir0th115, defaults implies auto.. |
| 08:50.49 | yagoo | s3phir0th115, i believe defaults is meant to be used alone.. |
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| 08:51.49 | yagoo | ,defaults was being triggered, but what u had after it was undoing it |
| 08:52.30 | yagoo | gosh im so confused today |
| 08:52.32 | yagoo | haha |
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| 08:52.53 | yagoo | s3phir0th115, jampola, pardon me.. |
| 08:52.56 | yagoo | :/ |
| 08:53.11 | s3phir0th115 | I'm confused too. :p |
| 08:53.21 | yagoo | likes simple nick names to tap quickly with the tab key |
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| 08:53.46 | s3phir0th115 | Oddly, when I ran groups as my normal user |
| 08:53.58 | s3phir0th115 | Even after adding it to fuse, it still wouldn't list that the user was a member |
| 08:54.00 | home-alone | I ahve just downloaded Debian 6 iso from torrent and burnt it on a CD . how can I check its integrity to know whether its fine |
| 08:54.18 | s3phir0th115 | home-alone, torrents do that for you. |
| 08:54.31 | s3phir0th115 | Hashing is built in |
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| 08:54.40 | kblessinggr | all the fun stuff apf is reporting since I turned on the firewall couple hours ago http://paste.pocoo.org/show/335575/ |
| 08:54.41 | home-alone | no the promlem may be with burner or disc |
| 08:55.00 | yagoo | s3phir0th115 are u u sing selinux with the debian setup? |
| 08:55.11 | robokop_ | s3phir0th115: you have to start a new session to get in the group |
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| 08:56.04 | s3phir0th115 | Oh, well in that case home-alone, you could make an image of the cd using something like dd or k3b, then to md5sum on both it and the original, and if they match, you're good |
| 08:56.13 | kblessinggr | now thats odd, why would someone point their domain at my IP... |
| 08:56.15 | s3phir0th115 | yagoo, not that I know of. |
| 08:56.29 | kblessinggr | one of my server's has colo.oioi.io resolving to it |
| 08:56.33 | yagoo | s3phir0th115, so i guess it was just a silly chmod command that fixed it haha |
| 08:56.39 | s3phir0th115 | And robokop_ , would starting another terminal count for that? |
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| 08:57.00 | cast | kblessinggr: was it previously their IP? |
| 08:57.02 | s3phir0th115 | Cause I tried that |
| 08:57.10 | robokop_ | s3phir0th115: depends on your window manager, does it run your terminal as a login shell or not |
| 08:57.29 | kblessinggr | cast heck if I know, had the lil BSD box for bout 2 months now, I suppose it could be recycled |
| 08:57.53 | s3phir0th115 | Whatever Gnome does robokop_ |
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| 08:58.03 | kblessinggr | course now I gota go figure out why my bsd box is trying to hit up my deb box on 8080 |
| 08:58.04 | s3phir0th115 | Hmm... that's odd |
| 08:58.27 | s3phir0th115 | When I ctrl+alt+f1, then login that way, and use groups, then I'm listed properly in fuse |
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| 08:58.33 | s3phir0th115 | The hell... |
| 08:58.53 | jmarsden | s3phir0th115: After adding a user to a group you need to reboot or relogin before the shell or session "knows" it is in the new group. |
| 08:58.54 | robokop | s3phir0th115: then most likely gnome doesn't start a login shell for each terminal |
| 08:59.01 | cast | s3phir0th115: if you get added to a new group, you either have to a: relogin, or b: run newgrp fuse |
| 08:59.06 | yagoo | s3phir0th115, yeah.. u gotta totally relogin ur X session |
| 08:59.10 | simonrvn | s3phir0th115: like was said to you previously, you need to log out then in again to make it take |
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| 08:59.19 | simonrvn | or that ^^ |
| 08:59.24 | s3phir0th115 | Huh, ok |
| 08:59.36 | cast | [newgrp fuse will only work for that specific terminal instance though] |
| 09:00.04 | s3phir0th115 | I thought user group changes would take effect immediately or just by opening terminal/Guake again |
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| 09:00.35 | cast | one would think that, if one hadn't experience. unfortunately not :( |
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| 09:02.20 | Sergio33 | Hi ! |
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| 09:06.05 | s3phir0th115 | Ahh, well thanks for the help on that everyone |
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| 09:06.34 | kblessinggr | cast I did a whois on that domain over at nic.io ... "National Association of Retarded Doctors", heh, whoever it is regged it out of DC |
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| 09:06.57 | twanny796 | command to install ncurses-devel?? |
| 09:07.14 | little_owl1 | Is there some way how to remove a metapackage and not remove packages in it? I want to remove Evolution but due dependencies it is going to remove Gnome ... sorry for a stupid question, I used to use only RedHat distros ... |
| 09:07.55 | robokop | little_owl1: it will remove the metapackage gnome, not the gnome-core etc packages. |
| 09:08.28 | simonrvn | unless to Auto-installed the stuff, then it will if the settings are right in aptitude |
| 09:08.34 | simonrvn | s,to,it, |
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| 09:09.00 | simonrvn | twanny796: you're looking for libncurese5-dev |
| 09:09.04 | simonrvn | curses* |
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| 09:09.18 | little_owl1 | OK, thanks for hints. |
| 09:10.01 | robokop | simonrvn: see there the reason i don't like aptitude, it tries to be smart |
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| 09:10.42 | simonrvn | i turn that stuff off, most of it. like auto-install recommends |
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| 09:11.05 | simonrvn | you end up with too many packages installed ime ;p |
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| 09:13.31 | robokop | as do these metapackages |
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| 09:14.05 | gachu | hi there |
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| 09:14.48 | gachu | i've got a question about apache configuration, could anyone help me? |
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| 09:15.42 | robokop | gachu: is it debian specific or should you be joining #apache? |
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| 09:16.57 | howtoo | hello, I've just upgraded to debian 6.0, but now I'm unable to mount any windows shares using cifs. I get :mount error(13): Permission denied |
| 09:17.14 | gachu | well, #apache channel is empty. I'm using Debian Lenny on my server so i thought I could seek help here, cause configuration may vary depending on used distro |
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| 09:17.23 | howtoo | anybody know what cause this? I'm mounting from fstab using a credentials file |
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| 09:18.35 | ksk | gachu: its #httpd |
| 09:18.44 | themill | gachu: you won't get an answer until you actually ask your question. |
| 09:18.48 | gachu | the thing is: i'd like to make an alias that would redirect my main address to a specific directory, without changing documentroot. Is that possible? |
| 09:18.52 | trial_error | i'm having some issues with crontab, can anyone explain to me why this script works in bash but not in cron - http://pastebin.com/auUHGww5 |
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| 09:18.54 | dokaya | i thought i can ask about Debian/kfreeBSD here |
| 09:18.55 | dokaya | :) |
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| 09:20.10 | dokaya | howtoo, permission denied, what about checking the user |
| 09:20.23 | gachu | ie. i want do have www.test.com redirected to /www/test and www.test.com/other -> /www/other |
| 09:20.26 | dokaya | @howtoo, for mounting samba |
| 09:20.51 | howtoo | dokaya: yeah, but the thing is that it worked using debian etch |
| 09:21.13 | howtoo | nothing has changed on the server I want to mount |
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| 09:22.40 | howtoo | I can list the share using smbclient with the same user I try to mount as |
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| 09:32.06 | howtoo | err, sorry, got the error. wrong permissions on mount point =/ hehe |
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| 09:33.01 | trial_error | its frustrating when things don't work right |
| 09:33.02 | twanny796 | trying to install pata-modules for lenny, cannot find packages?? |
| 09:33.52 | iusumon | though the question may be out of syllabus- is it possible to upgrade mepis 8.5 to debian 6.0 |
| 09:34.12 | iusumon | I use debian in my desktop and mepis 8.5 on my laptop (Toshiba) |
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| 09:35.18 | Rapp | hi everybody |
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| 09:35.54 | cast | iusumon: no. |
| 09:36.00 | Rapp | i upgraded to squeeze and now my courier imap only listens on ipv6, though i have only ipv4 addresses... what can i do to fix this? |
| 09:37.01 | iusumon | cast: why? please let me explain- if u faced any problem |
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| 09:38.12 | iusumon | sorry: it will be pls tell me |
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| 09:52.38 | gnugr | great |
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| 09:53.10 | gnugr | no language switcher on squeeze |
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| 09:55.43 | gnugr | oh sorry is microsoft windows |
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| 09:56.11 | ziroux | on the front and it says "power" |
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| 10:09.11 | MooookiE_ | Hello, can someone please tell me how i can downgrad the package libcurl3 and all dependencys? (I'm using squeeze) I have a problem with the actual version of libcurl3 like in this bugreport: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/curl/+bug/675974 |
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| 10:10.14 | xk | apt-get install libcurl3/lenny |
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| 10:11.30 | MooookiE_ | release "lenny" cannot found for "libcurl3" |
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| 10:11.44 | xk | need lenny deb lines in sources.list |
| 10:11.48 | aLemmer | I'm going to try to get Debian working on an IBM 3153. |
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| 10:12.37 | rozie | aLemmer: and the problem is? |
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| 10:13.00 | aLemmer | rozie: No problem, just awesome. |
| 10:13.06 | rozie | ;-] |
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| 10:13.28 | rozie | thought you encountered some problems on IBM |
| 10:13.36 | rozie | mine upgraded OK, so far |
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| 10:16.01 | aLemmer | Dude, an IBM 3153 is an old terminal computer. |
| 10:16.02 | aLemmer | Luls. |
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| 10:48.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | where should i open sockets on my system? /var/run perhaps? |
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| 10:52.35 | xk | hmm |
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| 10:57.43 | utrrrongeeb | Can I put /opt in the /home partition and use a symlink, or is that a FSH travesty? |
| 10:58.21 | petemc | do you anticipate using /opt much ? |
| 10:58.27 | utrrrongeeb | yes |
| 10:58.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | utrrrongeeb: its your filesystem |
| 10:59.12 | joltcan | utrrrongeeb: next time, use LVM on top of you drives, so you can dynamically change partitions instead |
| 10:59.54 | utrrrongeeb | Kamping_Kaiser, joltcan: Are there any problems with doing that? (symlink to /home) |
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| 11:00.29 | joltcan | utrrrongeeb: none at all |
| 11:00.29 | joltcan | utrrrongeeb: just go ahead |
| 11:00.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | utrrrongeeb: nope |
| 11:01.22 | utrrrongeeb | I'd like to keep it to two partitions, with /home+/opt having room to grow -- and being persistent through reinstalls. |
| 11:01.34 | utrrrongeeb | But /root should be kept under /? |
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| 11:03.34 | utrrrongeeb | Or is it safe to symlink to /home as well? |
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| 11:05.39 | joltcan | it should be under /, since you want to be able to reach root's homedir without mounting any partitions other than / |
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| 11:06.01 | utrrrongeeb | joltcan: Okay, thought there was some good reason to leave it alone.... |
| 11:06.04 | joltcan | utrrrongeeb: You shouldn't really have anything under /root anyway, except config files for root |
| 11:06.48 | utrrrongeeb | joltcan: Makes sense.... |
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| 11:08.57 | amoe | Hey, anyone know debian wiki? Where would be the right place to put notes about using a certain MP3 player (dap) under debian? |
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| 11:09.25 | utrrrongeeb | On a separate topic -- what do I have to do to remove packages from an ISO image of Debian Live? Obviously, delete the .debs with 7zip, but which index files will need editing? |
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| 11:10.40 | utrrrongeeb | [why? I'd like to cram Debian-Live XFCE on a CD-R but cutting Openoffice.] |
| 11:11.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | utrrrongeeb: you build the cd from start, not cutting bits out :) |
| 11:11.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | utrrrongeeb:dunno if you're on the mail list, but this was discussed there recently too |
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| 11:11.48 | utrrrongeeb | Kamping_Kaiser: I'm not; which mailing list? [Debian Live's?] |
| 11:12.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | yeah, -lives |
| 11:12.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | !live |
| 11:12.08 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 11:12.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | the list should be linked off the website |
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| 11:12.40 | utrrrongeeb | Kamping_Kaiser: ok, thanks. Can it be done? |
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| 11:13.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | utrrrongeeb: making smaller images? yeah |
| 11:13.42 | utrrrongeeb | Kamping_Kaiser: cutting out packages? |
| 11:13.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | utrrrongeeb: i doubt it. maybe, but probably not. |
| 11:14.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | depends what you mean cutting out , sorry |
| 11:14.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | if you mean 'not include from the start', then yes |
| 11:14.37 | utrrrongeeb | Deleting .debs from ISO, and editing any index files so apt isn't confused. |
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| 11:16.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | live images don't have debs |
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| 11:16.40 | utrrrongeeb | Makes it harder then.... |
| 11:17.23 | utrrrongeeb | I'll look into it [eg the mailing list] more than; have to leave now. Thanks! |
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| 11:23.19 | zck | hi there |
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| 11:26.30 | zck | I'm running out of inodes in ext3, what other filesystem would you advise me? |
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| 11:27.26 | xk | reformat with "small" fs_types |
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| 11:28.25 | Noob | i'm on Debian testing KDE4, what is the graphic manager package for my version? |
| 11:29.12 | Noob | synaptic is GTK |
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| 11:31.56 | Devastator | can this error be debian related? http://codepad.org/rmwqoZbR |
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| 11:33.26 | MrFrood | Noob: I'm not a kde user but I think most people just set the GTK+ theme to mimic the qt/kde theme |
| 11:34.21 | MrFrood | bah... he quit |
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| 11:40.47 | datenritter | hi! my udev does not set the links /dev/cdrom /dev/dvd etc. on boot and also forgets to set g+rw and group=cdrom for my dvd-burner. any ideas why? |
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| 11:44.43 | mazingo | hi there |
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| 11:48.10 | mazingo | if I have a project that uses automake, and I want to add a library |
| 11:48.19 | mazingo | is it enought to modify the Makefile.am? |
| 11:48.26 | mazingo | or is it compulsory to modify also the configure.ac |
| 11:48.27 | mazingo | ? |
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| 11:50.35 | little_owl1 | Gnome - Menu and Toolbar Preferences .... where are they hidden? :-/ |
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| 11:59.38 | moldovean | right click on Applications gives > Edit Menus ; if not System > Preferences , or in terminal run gnome-control-center |
| 11:59.48 | schmrz | Hello Everyone! Could anyone tell me how to install sudo on debian 6.0. I just installed it and sudo is not installed by default and I can't find it in the repository :\ |
| 12:00.46 | moldovean | missing 'main' repos in sources.list ? |
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| 12:01.08 | sep | schmrz, or not updated after editing sources.list ? |
| 12:01.33 | schmrz | sep, moldovean: I only have security.debian,org repository :\ |
| 12:01.36 | mrtnt | Is it possible to do: md5sum /dev/sdb ? |
| 12:01.45 | little_owl1 | moldovean: Thanks. |
| 12:01.46 | moldovean | schmrz, so fix it |
| 12:01.50 | sep | schmrz, add one |
| 12:02.00 | themill | dpkg: tell schmrz about make squeeze sources.list |
| 12:02.15 | moldovean | little_owl1, np |
| 12:02.25 | schmrz | Thanks |
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| 12:23.17 | sveajobb | which one is newest? etch or lenny? |
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| 12:24.14 | MaDSeN | HenningSartor: lenny is 5 |
| 12:24.18 | MaDSeN | etch is 4 |
| 12:24.25 | MaDSeN | if im not mistaken |
| 12:24.34 | MaDSeN | oops |
| 12:24.38 | MaDSeN | Lenny is 5 :D |
| 12:24.50 | Iridos | that's what you said |
| 12:24.53 | Iridos | and squeeze is 6 |
| 12:25.01 | sveajobb | :D |
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| 12:25.12 | Iridos | and it's the newest stable since about a week |
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| 12:25.45 | crilly | Has anyone here used SOGo? |
| 12:25.57 | Iridos | http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a |
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| 12:29.18 | ewet | hi, is there a viable alternative to http://www.xenoclast.org/nca/ that is still maintained? |
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| 12:41.30 | e-anima | can you recommend some analyzing tools, for cheking brute attemnpts, relay attempts, security related in general, no analysis like pwik |
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| 12:45.22 | abrotman | ewet: it seems like you could use screen for that? |
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| 12:47.23 | xelister | how to edit sudoers, so that: user USER runs program PROGRAM without password ? |
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| 12:48.31 | OpenTokix | xelister: username ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/local/sbin/command |
| 12:48.39 | OpenTokix | xelister: in sudoers-file |
| 12:48.54 | OpenTokix | xelister: Generally a bad idea for a user with a loginshell |
| 12:49.02 | OpenTokix | xelister: if its exposed on the internet |
| 12:49.35 | sohum | hm. so new wheezy install, old /home. I haven't used gnome in a long long time. gdm starts fine, I log in, screen goes black, busy mouse, then it politely kicks me back to gdm. which error log should I be looking at? |
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| 12:49.55 | jillsmitt | hello everybody |
| 12:50.03 | debianer | hi |
| 12:50.03 | jillsmitt | where can i readabout |
| 12:50.06 | OpenTokix | sohum: /var/log/Xorg.0.log is a good place to start |
| 12:50.22 | debianer | why I can no find 'arp' in debian |
| 12:50.26 | jillsmitt | where can i read about versions of software in debian stable? |
| 12:50.33 | xelister | OpenTokix: hm ok |
| 12:50.35 | abrotman | !tell debianer about apt-file |
| 12:50.41 | jillsmitt | i want to know kde and gnome version |
| 12:50.55 | abrotman | jillsmitt: normally, packages.debian.org .. but i think it's still broken |
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| 12:51.07 | abrotman | oh, no, it's baaack! |
| 12:51.11 | abrotman | !pdo |
| 12:51.12 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for Debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/ in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 12:51.16 | jillsmitt | i need to decide need i to install new debian or not |
| 12:51.31 | abrotman | jillsmitt: gnome is 2.28/2.30 .. kde is 4.4.x IIRC |
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| 12:51.42 | jillsmitt | thanks |
| 12:52.22 | abrotman | judd: file bin/arp |
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| 12:52.26 | judd | bin/arp in squeeze/i386: net-tools: usr/sbin/arp |
| 12:52.32 | abrotman | debianer: ^^ |
| 12:52.50 | abrotman | debianer: notice it's in /usr/sbin/ .. you'll need the full path if you're not root |
| 12:53.16 | sohum | OpenTokix: the only thing even remotely weird in there is that it fell back to the old probe method for vesa and fbdev. |
| 12:53.28 | sohum | OpenTokix: which makes sense, I guess, because gdm started fine |
| 12:53.38 | OpenTokix | sohum: Sounds like your drivers are pooch then? |
| 12:54.18 | sohum | OpenTokix: um, no? Because it seems to be running on the intel driver just fine |
| 12:54.49 | OpenTokix | sohum: ok, if you create a new spicking span user, can that user login? Ie. - is there some problems with your personal settings |
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| 12:57.21 | sohum | OpenTokix: yep. Testy McTest logs in just fine. Let's see if I can find gnome's logs, then... |
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| 12:58.28 | OpenTokix | sohum: Then you are on the right track |
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| 12:58.38 | OpenTokix | sohum: Why did you use my login credentials... spooky |
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| 12:59.47 | skutr3 | hey |
| 12:59.53 | Mmike | Lad's, is there a tool for queueing batch jobs? Let's say I have 10 cron entries that start every 1,5,10 or 20 minutes. Sometimes all the jobs would be running at once and I want only one job running at the time. So I was thinking into letting cron to put jobs into queue and then have 'something else' to actually run the jobs when emptying a queue... |
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| 13:00.30 | ion_ | how do I know which version of the gcc compiler I have installed in my machine ? |
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| 13:00.38 | skutr3 | when i booted debian i got an error that said could not load ICEAuthority file...... |
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| 13:00.44 | skutr3 | i need help |
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| 13:01.08 | skutr3 | when i booted debian i got an error that said could not load ICEAuthority file can anyone help? |
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| 13:01.22 | themill | dpkg: tell ion_ about version |
| 13:01.49 | ewet | abrotman: not likely... I'm searching for a cheap alternative to a kvm switch for my homeserver |
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| 13:02.22 | ion_ | themill: how? |
| 13:02.24 | skutr3 | when i booted debian i got an error that said could not load ICEAuthority file can anyone help? |
| 13:02.24 | abrotman | ewet: synergy? |
| 13:02.27 | petemc | ewet: looked at synergy ? |
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| 13:02.29 | petemc | damn |
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| 13:03.38 | skutr3 | when i booted debian i got an error that said could not load ICEAuthority file can anyone help? |
| 13:04.43 | abrotman | you just said that |
| 13:04.49 | abrotman | four times |
| 13:05.17 | xk | lol |
| 13:05.34 | xk | hi i have a problem repeating myself |
| 13:05.38 | ewet | abrotman, petemc: I need it very early at boot time for cases when I have to take control while the system is booting up (luks passwords etc.) |
| 13:05.50 | aguitel | is this command correct :aptitude install -f ? |
| 13:05.55 | abrotman | it can be |
| 13:06.04 | abrotman | ewet: serial console ? |
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| 13:06.41 | kblessinggr | all the sudden I can't ping6 out of my squeeze container... |
| 13:07.09 | skutr3 | when i booted i got an error that said could not load ICEAuthority file can anyone help? |
| 13:07.11 | ewet | abrotman: exactly... only I don't want to spend 250 bucks on it ;-) nca seemed so useful - it's just not maintained anymore... |
| 13:07.27 | abrotman | ewet: uhm .. a serial cable costs like 10$ |
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| 13:07.43 | abrotman | skutr3: stop repeating, it's annoying and makes people not want to help |
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| 13:08.34 | skutr3 | abrotman: well i just woke up and am not going to find creative and different ways to ask my question |
| 13:08.46 | abrotman | stop repeating |
| 13:08.53 | damex | skutr3: google it |
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| 13:09.27 | skutr3 | i got a failed to load ICEAuthority error at boot can anyone help? |
| 13:09.34 | damex | +b skutr3 |
| 13:09.37 | damex | better :D |
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| 13:09.41 | ewet | abrotman: well yeah but I was thinking more about remote controlling. as in kvm over ip or serial console. nca can do that via ssh |
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| 13:10.14 | skutr3 | damex: lol |
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| 13:11.40 | themill | skutr3: it would also pay you to decide if you are having this problem with debian or ubuntu. I find it hard to believe that you're having this problem with both at the same time. |
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| 13:13.08 | Devastator | god, squeeze screwed my console font for pt_BR :| |
| 13:13.26 | Devastator | i need to install a package to fix it but can't remember which.. |
| 13:13.31 | Devastator | i18n something... |
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| 13:17.19 | RichiH | hmm, is there any place where i can read up on what a hybrid iso is, what the rescue install image does, etc? |
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| 13:17.37 | RichiH | that information is lacking/not linked from the official download links |
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| 13:19.04 | ewet | sorry.. had to change my pc |
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| 13:20.31 | ion_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:21.09 | damex | ion_: update sources.list and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:21.30 | Sevet | http://www.go2linux.org/how-to-upgrade-from-debian-lenny-to-squeeze |
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| 13:22.08 | damex | same thing ^ |
| 13:22.24 | themill | ion_, damex, Sevet: please read the release notes not random websites that may or may not have any clue |
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| 13:22.59 | damex | wut o_O |
| 13:23.19 | Sevet | ok :) |
| 13:23.21 | Sevet | http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 13:24.51 | themill | you'll note that the upgrade procedure that has been developed and tested for lenny->squeeze is considerably more complicated than that. That 3-step approach will only work on fairly minimal installations |
| 13:25.57 | Sevet | since mysql cluster is no longer available (packaged) in squeeze, is there a recommended way of configuring it? |
| 13:26.16 | Sevet | should i use the generic linux install, or will that cause problems with libmysqlclient etc? |
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| 13:29.32 | Devastator | was gcc-3.3 pulled off in squeeze? |
| 13:30.18 | themill | Devastator: 3.3 wasn't even in lenny |
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| 13:31.14 | xk123 | hi |
| 13:31.17 | Devastator | erm.. what about 3.4? :D |
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| 13:32.43 | Sevet | that too i believe |
| 13:32.46 | Sevet | what's wrong with the latest gcc? |
| 13:33.16 | Sevet | (4.x) |
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| 13:34.14 | themill | Devastator: packages.debian.org and judd both know |
| 13:34.15 | Devastator | Sevet well, i'm trying to compile a thing that some people had success with gcc-3.x |
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| 13:35.47 | jfer | hi i was interested on how the progress of adding MariaDB to the repository is going? |
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| 13:38.59 | abrotman | jfer: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=565308 .. taht one? |
| 13:39.27 | Sevet | does anyone know why this doesn't work on lenny? http://pastebin.com/8j1zev0K |
| 13:39.51 | Sevet | inet addresses are loaded ok, but inet6 on bond0 isn't |
| 13:40.16 | Sevet | but ipv6 is loaded, and 'ip -6 addr add' will add the ip after boot |
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| 13:40.54 | Sevet | (does work on squeeze though, but this isn't a server i can upgrade remotely) |
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| 13:43.40 | Sevet | unless there's a way to boot a debian installer via dhcp+tftp with ssh/vnc/etc access to the install interface? |
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| 13:44.33 | Sevet | something like this http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=1357 but without having to have physical access to load the ssh component in the first place |
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| 13:56.24 | Sevet | ok, preseed will solve the ssh problem i think :) |
| 13:56.37 | Sevet | but no-one has an answer about the inet6 interface? |
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| 13:57.57 | Mmike | Lad's, is there a tool for queueing batch jobs? Let's say I have 10 cron entries that start every 1,5,10 or 20 minutes. Sometimes all the jobs would be running at once and I want only one job running at the time. So I was thinking into letting cron to put jobs into queue and then have 'something else' to actually run the jobs when emptying a queue... |
| 13:58.26 | abrotman | lock files? |
| 13:59.02 | xk | hmmm |
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| 13:59.17 | xk | i remember reading about some cron-like system with queuing ability. |
| 14:00.09 | rgr | run them all from the same script |
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| 14:01.04 | xk | can't believe I didnt bookmark it. |
| 14:01.20 | jampola | Mmike, have a look at cron scheduling on google. I remember ages ago reading about a web based cron scheduling tool. |
| 14:01.22 | Sevet | does anyone know a tool that might allow me to enable network boot in the bios, from within linux? |
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| 14:01.30 | themill | Mmike: you need two 10 line shell scripts to implement that yourself... a submitter and a runner. There may be more sophisticated things around too... |
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| 14:02.24 | Mmike | themill, yeps, queue loader and queue emptier. I just tought that you guys might now of an allready available tool |
| 14:02.28 | Mmike | jampola, i will, thnx |
| 14:03.01 | themill | Mmike: not that I know of -- well there are significantly more sophisticated schedulers, but they're not what you want either ;) |
| 14:03.09 | jampola | Sevet, I believe network boot takes place on the network card (unless your network card is onboard) then it should be a bios option. When you say within linux, do you mean without needing to reboot? |
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| 14:04.00 | zck | hi |
| 14:04.12 | rgr | doing a squeeze install (fresh) but the installter wont let me use one of the sata drives as it says its already in an lvm. But how to delete this lvm? installer says it cant as its in use. There must be some thing in the installer options I have missed here. |
| 14:04.45 | zck | please, how can I run partman from a debian installed system? |
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| 14:05.55 | kblessinggr | having a problem with ufw on squeeze. Even though I've allowed 80 in, I still can't connect to the webserver, this is ufw status and optables -nvL : http://paste.pocoo.org/show/335772/ |
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| 14:06.29 | jampola | zck, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/Partman ? |
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| 14:07.36 | xk | ufw doesn't look so u to me :) |
| 14:08.19 | zck | jampola: I want to create a new partition on an installed debian system using partman, is it possible? |
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| 14:11.31 | JosefAssad_ | uh |
| 14:11.36 | Sevet | jampola: it means i can't get physical access to update the bios settings... i'm going to try using grub's pxe support |
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| 14:11.49 | JosefAssad_ | so, looking ofr dpkg's instructions for upgrading, I reboot into the new kernel BEFORE dst-upgrade? |
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| 14:13.27 | jampola | Sevet, i'm not 100% sure... maybe some bios' do? I'm assuming rebooting and looking into the bios is not an option? |
| 14:14.14 | abrotman | JosefAssad_: yes, very important |
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| 14:14.56 | jampola | Sevet, looking at Grub PXE would be more promising, especially if your network interface doesn't support booting from the network. |
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| 14:15.53 | TomatoBros | hi i have a vps and i am trying to get httpfs run on it but gettin fuse problems anyone know howto solve this |
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| 14:16.25 | JosefAssad_ | abrotman: got it. Thanks :) (also printed out release notes to help me through it) |
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| 14:20.33 | JosefAssad_ | hm |
| 14:20.49 | JosefAssad_ | ok, I'm getting some errors in the initial apt-get update: http://paste.ubuntu.com/565384/ |
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| 14:21.31 | JosefAssad_ | my sources.list here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/565385/ |
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| 14:22.04 | stew | JosefAssad_: replace the volatile link with "deb http://ftp.dk.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main" |
| 14:22.12 | stew | ^link^sources |
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| 14:22.29 | Mohammeds | Hi, I am trying to install ettercap on debian. I tried to apt-get install ettercap-gtk. It worked fine. I ran ettercap, however it crashed after it scanned for hosts. I removed it and true compiling it from source, and I got the same issue .... Any ideas on how to get it working? |
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| 14:22.54 | Mohammeds | Tried** |
| 14:23.04 | kblessinggr | is there a way to nuke the iptables back to system default, chains and all? |
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| 14:23.35 | JosefAssad_ | stew: like so? http://paste.ubuntu.com/565387/ |
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| 14:23.48 | stew | JosefAssad_: yes |
| 14:23.54 | JosefAssad_ | stew: thanks! |
| 14:24.44 | Mohammeds | Any ideas for ettercap? |
| 14:25.11 | stew | kblessinggr: set all the chans (OUTPUT,INPUT,FORWARD) to accept: iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT ;, flush with iptables -F, kill all the user chains with iptables -X ; then if you edited the other tables like nat,mangle, do similar |
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| 14:25.57 | kblessinggr | stew... nice |
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| 14:26.44 | kblessinggr | I feel like smacking ufw around today |
| 14:26.58 | kblessinggr | was hoping by flushing it and letting ufw reload it'd remake the chains correctly |
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| 14:28.50 | Mohammeds | Any ideas for ettercap? |
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| 14:31.03 | Mohammeds | MohammedsHi, I am trying to install ettercap on debian. I tried to apt-get install ettercap-gtk. It worked fine. I ran ettercap, however it crashed after it scanned for hosts. I removed it and true compiling it from source, and I got the same issue .... Any ideas on how to get it working? |
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| 14:33.17 | kblessinggr | *sigh* any idea what's going on here? I've removed/purged both ufw and iptables, and then reinstalled them, added my rules, re-enabled, but it basically doesn't accept traffic when ufw is enabled : http://paste.pocoo.org/show/jWc0zTacFNBklJWI2bpm/ |
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| 14:36.03 | unkmar | my kernel appears to be unhappy |
| 14:36.59 | unkmar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:37.24 | AlexC_ | morning |
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| 14:37.53 | unkmar | hi AlexC_ |
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| 14:38.22 | pasky | Hi! Is it possible to install gnome on squeeze *without* installing apache2.2-bin? |
| 14:38.22 | AlexC_ | I have a JFS filesystem that I am exporting via NFSv4, with this I want to use ACL. Do I install the normal 'acl' or 'nfs4-acl-tools' package on the server/client? I take it I need to mount the filesystem on the server with the 'acl' mount option too? |
| 14:39.10 | jargon- | could someone point me to a guide for installing and configuring openssl (TLS) for openldap? |
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| 14:40.11 | pasky | (ideally while keeping the gnome-desktop-environment metapackage) |
| 14:40.30 | jargon- | yeah |
| 14:40.47 | jargon- | actually no. it's got no gui this box |
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| 14:42.08 | jampola | pasky, wouldn't it be easier to remove apache post install? Or you can do the advanced deb installation when you boot your install media (pretty sure it allows you to select/deselect apache? |
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| 14:43.02 | wsxws | hi all |
| 14:43.12 | wsxws | someone familar with lftp ? |
| 14:43.18 | pasky | jampola: well of course i got it installed now and want it removed |
| 14:43.24 | kblessinggr | bangs head up against wall |
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| 14:43.29 | pasky | jampola: but that will also remove the metapackage and all the convenience associated with that |
| 14:43.31 | var100 | i just did a *fresh* install of squeeze and my /var partition which is 1.2 GB is completely full? How come? |
| 14:44.21 | TomatoBros | http://pastebin.com/mzy58KjZ some one help pls :S |
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| 14:46.03 | TomatoBros | i try dpkg-statoverride -add root users 775 fuse still don't work in /etc/fuse.conf i give permission to users and root still can't mount with httpfs |
| 14:46.20 | dvs | var100: that's too small |
| 14:46.39 | Iridos | root wouldn't need to be in the fuse group |
| 14:47.01 | TomatoBros | so why i am gettin permission error ? |
| 14:47.57 | Iridos | that's the question |
| 14:48.02 | TomatoBros | :) |
| 14:48.12 | var100 | what? we are talking a fresh install here. My / partition is 1.2 GB, /usr is 5 GB, /home is 100 GB, /var is 1.2 GB and swap is 1.2GB. What is wrong with that? |
| 14:48.29 | Cozminsky | var100: it'll download packages to /var/cache if you're doing netinstall, so if you're installing anything substantial it'll run out of space quickly |
| 14:48.36 | Iridos | TomatoBros, check dmesg for errors |
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| 14:49.12 | var100 | I did NOT perform a netinstall. it was a fresh install using a CD. |
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| 14:50.07 | Cozminsky | var100: what does du say is using var then? |
| 14:50.26 | Iridos | but full debian is what... 50 CDs? |
| 14:50.54 | Cozminsky | var100: I'd be tempted to do 5 to 10 gig for var at minimum |
| 14:50.58 | Iridos | so you would still do "something substantial" over the net when installing from CD in many cases |
| 14:51.01 | superlinux | hi. they are telling me that in fedora there is a way to update pkgs through diffs . is that possible debian-ly? |
| 14:51.18 | dvs | 5GB is still a bit small |
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| 14:52.16 | Iridos | TomatoBros, what _do_ the permissions of /dev/fuse look like? (ls -la /dev/fuse) |
| 14:52.58 | filePeter | superlinux: Im not sure if there were rsync mirrors... |
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| 14:53.11 | TomatoBros | Iridos: crw-rw-rw- 1 root fuse 10, 229 Feb 10 05:09 /dev/fuse |
| 14:53.14 | xopher | I can't run screen in user mode, only as root/sudo, any ideas? Chrooted Debian 6.0 |
| 14:53.18 | superlinux | mmm |
| 14:53.35 | Cozminsky | xopher: /dev/pts mounted? |
| 14:53.51 | Iridos | TomatoBros, well, with that it doesn't matter anymore if anyone is in the fuse group... |
| 14:54.19 | superlinux | cos that can save heaps of time and download bandwidth on me. my download quota is very small in Lebanon |
| 14:54.38 | Cain | Can I enable Quota on a ReiserFS partition ? |
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| 14:54.42 | superlinux | 3GB max |
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| 14:55.08 | xopher | Cozminsky, yes, but I'm not sure If I've done it correctly. |
| 14:55.08 | Iridos | Cain, I think you need a specially patched kernel for that (but last time I tried is some years ago) |
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| 14:55.51 | Cain | Iridos : which FS support Quota natively ? ext3 ? |
| 14:56.03 | TomatoBros | Iridos: hmm maybe problem is openvz :S |
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| 14:57.06 | var100 | Cozminsky, du says var is using 1.1G. I do not understand why. I installed lenny on the very same machine last year. Today I made a backup, kept the partitions sizes untouched but did format them all. How come I did not have that problem when installing lenny when its /var was the same size, that is 1.2GB? |
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| 14:58.58 | Iridos | TomatoBros, maybe, the command you gave works for me without error |
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| 14:59.15 | Iridos | although I'm not sure it does what you expected it to |
| 14:59.15 | AlexC_ | I'm wanting to use the commands "getfacl" and "setfacl" on a NFSv4 exported filesystem (which is JFS on the server) from the client, currently I get 'Operation not supported' |
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| 15:00.21 | Cozminsky | Cain: ext3 supports quota, as does xfs, pretty sure there would be a few others |
| 15:00.39 | Cozminsky | var100: I meant which directory under var is using the space? |
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| 15:01.41 | var100 | By the way, /var/log/ is using 1.1 G and i repeat, i did a fresh install using a CD |
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| 15:02.37 | Iridos | Cain, yes, but I think it's just too long ago I fiddled with quotas... google for debian quota and you get http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-set-up-journaled-quota-on-debian-lenny for lenny, which should still work the same on squeeze |
| 15:02.57 | Cozminsky | var100: and what file(s) in /var/log? |
| 15:03.13 | Cain | Iridos : i'm on that link but it's for ext3, will be the same for reiserfs ? |
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| 15:03.34 | Cozminsky | Cain: reiserfs doesn't support quota |
| 15:03.59 | AlexC_ | has libacl in Squeeze been patched for NFSv4 ACL? |
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| 15:04.05 | Cain | Cozminsky : that's clear enough ^^ thx ! |
| 15:04.41 | var100 | /var/log gdm is 528M |
| 15:04.49 | var100 | /var/log/gdm is 528M |
| 15:05.06 | Iridos | Cain, would be easy enough to try |
| 15:05.09 | TomatoBros | Iridos: thx for help |
| 15:05.20 | Cozminsky | var100: okay, so what is the gnome display manager complaining about that it's generated that amount of data |
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| 15:06.03 | Cain | Iridos : yep, on a vm or testing machine :) |
| 15:06.12 | Iridos | Cozminsky, this here http://faq.jensbenecke.de/wiki/Quota lists reiserfs as a filesystem with quota support (3rd line)... |
| 15:06.15 | JosefAssad_ | alright, well that was a damn easy upgrade to squeeze. Thanks debian developers :) |
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| 15:07.28 | Iridos | Cain, I dunno, what I remember I could have run quotas without problems on ext2, but needed to patch the kernel for reiser... but that's a long time ago... and it seems many things have changed... among others all of the quota system |
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| 15:08.09 | Iridos | Cain, there's /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Quota.gz in doc-linux-nonfree-text, but that's from 2003, too |
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| 15:08.40 | Cain | Iridos : aptitude safe-upgrade Iridos ? :p |
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| 15:08.43 | Cozminsky | I was looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReiserFS |
| 15:08.44 | var100 | And in /var/log there are two files which are enormous, they are: Xorg.0.log which is 244M and Xorg.0.log.old which is 248M |
| 15:08.52 | Iridos | Cain, ha... |
| 15:09.07 | Cain | joking ^^ |
| 15:09.22 | Cain | i guess i'll test on a vm to see how it goes |
| 15:09.36 | Iridos | Cain, there hasn't been a need for quotas for me anymore, as I was pretty much the only person on the machines in my hands afterwards |
| 15:10.07 | Iridos | Cozminsky, good idea, but [citation needed] |
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| 15:10.28 | Cain | Iridos : it's for remote users (ftp & samba shares) |
| 15:11.46 | greycat | After lenny->squeeze, the squeeze boxes are not able to attempt an NFS mount of file systems from our HP-UX servers. The mount command just *hangs* (doesn't give any errors). Any ideas what I should look at first? |
| 15:12.08 | var100 | Upon finishing the fresh install, I rebooted and the system went through the boot procedure and it was about to start gdm when the screen went solid black for 10 minutes. This happened 3 times and the only thing i could do was to press the power button. |
| 15:12.35 | Cozminsky | greycat: it might be trying to use nfs4 |
| 15:12.36 | var100 | I chose recovery mode and found out /var was full |
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| 15:13.35 | greycat | Hmm, after a couple minutes, this one came back with "mount.nfs: mount system call failed" |
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| 15:13.53 | greycat | Nothing written in /var/log |
| 15:13.57 | Iridos | Cain, cannot safe-upgrade Iridos, unmet dependencies on brain |
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| 15:15.26 | Cozminsky | Iridos: maybe linux-image-doc |
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| 15:19.41 | Iridos | greycat, wasn't one of the first things rpcinfo -p <host> ? |
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| 15:20.03 | greycat | Cozminsky: An explicit "mount -t nfs" gives the same hang. And that appears to be the way one differentiates nfs or nfs4 mounts. |
| 15:20.40 | greycat | Iridos: rpcinfo and showmount -e both seem to work fine. It's just the actual mount that hangs. |
| 15:20.46 | Iridos | also showmount -e <host> to see permi... allright |
| 15:20.54 | Iridos | well, you did ask for the first thing :) |
| 15:21.02 | greycat | I'd be ecstatic if it would give me a "permission denied" error. |
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| 15:21.38 | Iridos | does dmesg print any more than /var/log/messages? |
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| 15:22.20 | greycat | nothing at all there |
| 15:22.29 | greycat | (last thing is NTFS-fs warning at 56.x seconds) |
| 15:22.56 | Cozminsky | greycat: don't you mean a -o mountvers=3? |
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| 15:23.17 | Cozminsky | or is it nfsvers=n |
| 15:23.30 | greycat | Cozminsky: Well, I found "-t nfs" and "-t nfs4" first, so that's what I thought it was... |
| 15:23.37 | k1ch4w4 | squeze, nginx + postgres + phppgadmin, i have to login via phppgadmin every time after any action |
| 15:24.02 | greycat | But "mount -o mountvers=3 host:/dir" does indeed seem to work better. |
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| 15:24.26 | k1ch4w4 | i've checked cookie, its turn on, i've checked /var/lib/php5 permission session file |
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| 15:25.41 | Vega79 | hi all |
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| 15:26.11 | ttyS1 | Hello what is the correct way to restart networking. I noticed it says /etc/init.d/networkingĆĀ restart is deprecated |
| 15:27.07 | greycat | So, um... now the question is "how do I tell autofs to use -o mountvers=3 whenever it's mounting something". |
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| 15:27.34 | Vega79 | i have an issue with a wireless interface at boot...basically what happens is that by the time the network scripts tries to setup the interface the driver is not ready yet and the wlan0 is not setup once i log in if i do /etc/init.d/networking restart everything goes fine. The question is...how can i delay the system to try to setup the wireless device at boot? |
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| 15:28.27 | Cozminsky | greycat: that's what the options column is for, so host:/foo /path/to/foo nfs nfsvers=3 |
| 15:28.45 | greycat | The map in question is served by NIS. |
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| 15:29.07 | greycat | auto.home map has entries like "wooledg imadev:/home/wooledg" |
| 15:29.57 | Cozminsky | greycat: what does the automounting? pam module or something? |
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| 15:30.36 | greycat | There's an autofs daemon and there's a kernel part. I don't really know much about the internals of either. |
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| 15:35.13 | greycat | Hmm, auto.master(5) says there's an optional third field (of course it doesn't give an EXAMPLE of it). |
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| 15:36.19 | greycat | This still doesn't seem like the right place, though. There ought to be a way to tell *nfs* (or "mount") never to attempt an NFSv4 mount, ever, ever, ever. |
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| 15:36.41 | greycat | And the maps that are defined via NIS aren't even *in* auto.master for me to hack up. |
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| 15:40.54 | kelwynsa8 | how can i clear my cache of sources? |
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| 15:41.26 | kelwynsa8 | or is it done automatically when i run apt-get update? |
| 15:41.28 | greycat | remove the lines you don't want from sources.list and run apt-get update |
| 15:41.47 | OpenTokix | kelwynsa8: apt-get clean |
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| 15:41.53 | kelwynsa8 | <greycat> yeah ive done that, just changed default openvz sources.list as it was returning errors |
| 15:41.55 | ttyS1 | what is the replacement command to use instead of /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 15:41.55 | kelwynsa8 | thanks |
| 15:42.34 | shirish | hi all, when running wget how can I have the units of downloading come in bytes or kilobytes rather than in bytes. |
| 15:42.35 | shirish | I am looking for file size and how much I'm downloading/downloaded in bytes formats |
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| 15:43.15 | shirish | simplest example would be the output difference between $ls and $lsh -h |
| 15:44.00 | greycat | if it's not in "man wget" then ask in #wget |
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| 15:44.52 | shirish | greycat: didn't know there was a #wget channel as well, thank you. |
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| 15:51.48 | JyZyXEL | how can i run multiple dhcp clients on a single interface? |
| 15:52.14 | JyZyXEL | using virtual interfaces or something similar |
| 15:52.19 | jargon- | `dpkg-reconfigure libpam-ldap` doesn't return anything. i want to point an ldap client to a different ldap server. which files do i need to edit? |
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| 15:57.02 | greycat | OK, for whatever it's worth to the 0 other people here who use autofs+NIS+non-Linux NFS servers: explicitly putting the contents of the auto.master map *into* /etc/auto.master and then adding ,mountvers=3 to the options in field 3 seems to work fine. |
| 15:57.50 | Sevet | when using a netboot image |
| 15:57.58 | Sevet | is it possible to supply a tftp file to preseed/url? |
| 15:58.24 | xk | what's so good about autofs? |
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| 15:59.16 | greycat | It's how our entire development team works. We have home directories scattered all over everywhere. |
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| 16:00.02 | greycat | When I login to a squeeze box, it should mount my home directory from the HP-UX box that it's physically on. Which, now, it can do. |
| 16:00.30 | xk | but what's good about autofs vs permanent mount? |
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| 16:01.41 | greycat | If you permanently mount a hundred weird home directories from workstations scattered around different buildings, not only do you clog up the output of df, but eventually one of them will crash and then everything will hang. |
| 16:01.49 | xk | ;) |
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| 16:01.54 | yesi | hi |
| 16:01.58 | xk | fair enough |
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| 16:02.22 | Astronom | ĆĀŗĆĀøĆĀĆĀøĆĀ»ĆĀ»ĆĀøĆĀĆĀ° ĆĀĆĀĆĀ ĆĀĆĀ°ĆĀ±ĆĀ¾ĆĀĆĀ°ĆĀµĆĀ? |
| 16:02.25 | toogreen | hi guys, question... When running a server, is it best to put in the word "squeeze" or "stable" in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 16:03.26 | greycat | squeeze |
| 16:03.31 | toogreen | I had a machine that had "stable" in /etc/apt/sources.list, and i just realized that it upgraded itself to squeeze when running a normal upgrade |
| 16:03.36 | Cozminsky | toogreen: best to put squeeze, it'll be fine with stable right up until they release another version of debian |
| 16:03.38 | greycat | that way you don't get a horrible surprise whenever wheeze stabilizies |
| 16:03.46 | Agiofws | hello |
| 16:03.48 | greycat | (minus the typos) |
| 16:03.58 | AlexC_ | Can "getfacl" and "setfacl" be used on NFSv4 mounts (which the server has JFS filesystem for them)? |
| 16:04.17 | Agiofws | can someone tell me why debian is disconnecting my usb device ? http://codepad.org/MgoE47NK ? |
| 16:04.25 | themill | toogreen: it's probably not actually upgraded cleanly... there's probably some more for you to do still |
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| 16:04.35 | toogreen | ok I see, but now my machine that had "stable" and that i just upgraded, is it messed? Or could it be?? I'm scared to reboot it!! |
| 16:05.17 | themill | toogreen: you should complete the upgrade from lenny to squeeze following the release notes. /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 16:05.19 | xk | lol |
| 16:05.53 | toogreen | @themill ok so what should I do next then? change "stable" to "squeeze" in etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 16:06.17 | xk | so it was stable for how long? |
| 16:06.22 | greycat | toogreen: yes, that would be the first step. |
| 16:06.30 | toogreen | ok thanks guys |
| 16:07.31 | lessthanzero | does debian handle daemons with /etc/init.d by default? or is it something I need to setup? (I'm not talking about individual init scripts but the convention itself) |
| 16:07.47 | yesi | I'd like to know whether there's an option to do incrementation of UID of the "adduser" command from adduser.conf. I create "toto", "tata", "titi" users with UID:"1001 1002 1003". I delete toto user. and i create a new user "tutu". So "tutu" user get the free UID of "toto" i.e. 1001. I'd like it get the following UID i.e. 1004 ! How could i do that behaviour ? Either from the "adduser" command or from the /etc/adduser.conf. |
| 16:08.15 | Agiofws | can someone tell me why debian is disconnecting my usb device ? http://codepad.org/MgoE47NK ? |
| 16:09.02 | slidesinger | A question about hold on a package: I don't want my accounting package on my production box to upgrade without my having tried the upgrade on my testing box for a few days, so I put it on hold. Do I have to take it off hold to upgrade it or is there another option? |
| 16:09.09 | greycat | lessthanzero: yes, see /etc/init.d/README |
| 16:09.27 | xk | slidesinger: apt-get install <pkg-on-hold> to upgrade. |
| 16:09.32 | yesi | I don't want use the option "--uid". |
| 16:09.36 | xk | "upgrade" won't touch it. |
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| 16:09.48 | lessthanzero | greycat: I haven't installed debian yet, doing research but I'm sure I can find the file :) thanks~ |
| 16:10.01 | slidesinger | xk: thanks. I knew it was something simple! |
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| 16:11.34 | Iridos | greycat, I think it's not a _so very_ uncommon setup... despite of the security problems... specially if you have non-linux machines |
| 16:12.05 | Iridos | (about the "0 people" comment from some time ago) |
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| 16:12.20 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 16:12.25 | greycat | We have a plethora of non-Linux machines here. |
| 16:13.08 | johnfg | Has anyone been able to restore the evolution backup made in lenny to the newer evolution in squeeze? |
| 16:13.19 | johnfg | It failed when I tried it. |
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| 16:20.55 | cmeiklejohn | Hey there -- I was wondering if someone could help me out with a debian unstable openvpn problem I'm experiencing? |
| 16:22.06 | cmeiklejohn | I seem to be getting SIOCSIFADDR: No such device when trying to configure tun0 -- lsmod shows that the tun module is installed. |
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| 16:22.30 | ibrahim | hello, i try to boot from my usb, but debian says the usb is not a bootable one. but i booted from the usb before. how come? how can I fix it? or is there any other way? |
| 16:22.40 | toogreen | I think my system that was set to "stable" is now messed up, as when I try to apt-get upgrade now, it tells me a huge bunch of packages have been kept back and won't upgrade them..? |
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| 16:23.42 | toogreen | does it just need a dist-upgrade? |
| 16:24.27 | greycat | toogreen: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 16:28.00 | Sevet | does anyone here have experience with netboot & preseed/url? i'm trying to use it but d-i is ignoring anything i add to the append line |
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| 16:30.25 | ibrahim | as always, I got no help. |
| 16:30.27 | ibrahim | Thanks. |
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| 16:31.04 | themill | toogreen: are you following the release notes? Have you upgraded your kernel and udev to the ones in squeeze and rebooted into that kernel? Please do follow the release notes; they were written for a reason. |
| 16:31.15 | greycat | why would *debian* be saying anything about his USB device's bootability? makes no sense... |
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| 16:31.40 | stew | the previous iso were not bootable from usb, but the current ones are |
| 16:31.53 | stew | is my guess |
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| 16:33.35 | pasky | What is the proper way to switch /bin/sh between dash and bash? |
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| 16:34.37 | themill | dpkg-reconfigure dash |
| 16:34.48 | Sevet | pasky: if you do you'll slow the bootupdown |
| 16:35.28 | cmeiklejohn | hi themill -- do you know why i'd be getting a tun0 No such device error when using the openvpn pckage? i've made sure that the tun module is loaded -- just looking to be pointed in the right direction |
| 16:35.29 | Sevet | it's better to either update your scripts to be posix compatible, or use #!/bin/bash at the top where you need the bash features |
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| 16:35.42 | cmeiklejohn | running debian unstable |
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| 16:35.47 | pasky | themill: oh cool it switches back too, thanks a lot! |
| 16:36.06 | themill | pasky: alternatively, you can fix your bash scripts.... |
| 16:36.21 | pasky | Sevet: i know, we have carefully considered the problem and decided it won't make a difference to our deployment and we don't want to create additional troubles for our users who are rather conservative |
| 16:37.19 | themill | pasky: just replacing the shebang line in problematic scripts is enough; the checkbashisms script is quite good btw |
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| 16:37.57 | simonrvn | yeh, it is. |
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| 16:38.14 | greycat | I don't understand, pasky. You're deploying stuff to your users...? |
| 16:38.35 | greycat | If you're writing scripts and sending them to other people, you'd think *you'd* be the one who should be super-conservative. |
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| 16:39.08 | simonrvn | or at least, very careful |
| 16:40.02 | greycat | As we tell people in #bash all the time, if your script uses bash extensions, your shebang line needs to run bash, not sh. |
| 16:40.35 | pasky | greycat: i'm admining a ~50-machine deployment for uni department; the users are writing the scripts for themselves and forcing our processors to suddenly go and fix stuff (even just replacing shebang lines) in their scripts seems utterly pointless |
| 16:40.45 | pasky | *professors :) |
| 16:41.27 | greycat | Oh, you're *not* deploying software... you're deploying machines. |
| 16:41.49 | pasky | greycat: of course, but sometimes it is not obvious at all that one is using a bash extension; just about an hour ago i was hunting down a strange issue and it took me quite a while that it was caused by ". rc" where there should have been ". ./rc" (and checkbashisms doesn't catch that either, btw) |
| 16:41.55 | pasky | greycat: yes |
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| 16:43.25 | greycat | Deploying machines is a very different issue. ;-) |
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| 16:44.03 | themill | pasky: please create a minimal example of that behaviour that checkbashims misses and report it as a bug so it can get caught for the future |
| 16:44.18 | greycat | I think he just did the first half. |
| 16:45.08 | pasky | i will |
| 16:45.23 | themill | (I'd never noticed that difference.... I should go check some scripts....) |
| 16:45.31 | simonrvn | just need the other half now |
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| 16:46.09 | Sevet | why on the initrd's append line does netcfg/choose_interface=auto not take effect, i still get prompted? |
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| 16:57.47 | jk_ | How can I add protocols to gigolo? With Ubuntu I have a whole range of them available, but with squeeze I have only "file" and have not been able to locate a config file to add others... |
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| 17:01.31 | Iridos | I'd say read README.Debian, but there doesn't seem to be one |
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| 17:01.32 | Iridos | it's only a frontend, I guess you're missing the needed backends |
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| 17:02.09 | Bartzy|work | Hi |
| 17:02.15 | Bartzy|work | I have MAILTO configured in my crontab |
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| 17:02.44 | Bartzy|work | after some cronjobs that have that MAILTO, I want to have 2 cronjobs that won't send mail with their output. |
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| 17:02.51 | jk_ | Iridos, so what would they be, for smb and nfs? is there a list anywhere? |
| 17:03.07 | Bartzy|work | "MAILTO=" doesn't work. I don't want to place those 2 cronjobs on the start of the crontab. |
| 17:04.09 | martin3z | I have Debian lenny, 2.6.26, and no network. Installed ratpoison window manager from deb package, changed .xinitrc to:ratpoison, my X starts with fluxbox still. how force to run ratpoison? |
| 17:05.03 | toogreen | is "libc-bin" still relevant in Squeeze? When i simulate a dist-upgrade, it tells me that will be a broken package!? |
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| 17:06.02 | Bushmills | apt-cache why libc-bin |
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| 17:06.06 | toogreen | @themill just saw your message... yes i am following the release notes... I'm just about to upgrade udev now but when i simulate it, i get a broken package with libc-bin |
| 17:06.17 | stew | toogreen: very jmuch relevant |
| 17:06.27 | stew | without a j |
| 17:07.04 | toogreen | Ok well would that be because I was on "stable" in my /etc/apt/sources.list and updated? |
| 17:07.13 | toogreen | I think my system is messed :-( |
| 17:07.35 | Iridos | jk_, not sure... you probably have... gvfs-bin... and that pulled in gvfs-fuse and gvfs-backends? (just guessing from gigolos package description) |
| 17:07.52 | stew | toogreen: show us the output of apt-cache policy libc6-bin libc6 |
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| 17:09.31 | Bartzy|work | I have MAILTO configured in my crontab |
| 17:09.33 | Bartzy|work | after some cronjobs that have that MAILTO, I want to have 2 cronjobs that won't send mail with their output. |
| 17:09.35 | Bartzy|work | "MAILTO=" doesn't work. I don't want to place those 2 cronjobs on the start of the crontab. |
| 17:09.38 | Bartzy|work | any suggestions ? |
| 17:10.23 | kdog | How do I get an ls output into a file without the control characters? |
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| 17:10.52 | themill | Bartzy|work: how about sending the output of those jobs to /dev/null instead? |
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| 17:11.09 | jk_ | Iridos, sorry to be slow; was on the phone. I have the gvfs packages, and smbclient, but what seems to be missing are any config files to tie things together. |
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| 17:11.34 | toogreen | http://pastebin.com/xaLq2rCC |
| 17:11.53 | Bartzy|work | themill: Sounds good. But why MAILTO= doesn't work ? |
| 17:12.33 | themill | Bartzy|work: your crontab isn't a shell script, it's a config file. |
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| 17:13.09 | Bartzy|work | themill: So how can I send the cron output when I'm setting MAILTO ? I can also set MAILTO multiple times in the crontab |
| 17:13.10 | martin3z | any ide how to run othe window manager? .xinitrc settings doesn't work, running xdm. |
| 17:13.12 | toogreen | @stew Hold on there was a part missing http://pastebin.com/KwYzZDfP |
| 17:13.32 | toogreen | W: Unable to locate package libc6-bin !? |
| 17:13.44 | Bartzy|work | themill: that should do it ? my_command > my_output_file.txt 2> /dev/null |
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| 17:14.53 | themill | Bartzy|work: if you want to keep the normal output in a file, yes. |
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| 17:15.07 | toogreen | Let me re-explain my situation here. My system was set to "stable" word in sources.list... Then I ran a normal apt-get upgrade, and it seemed as if it did a dist-upgrade... So now I changed "stable" to "squeeze" and im about to dist-upgrade, but it seems like my system will be broken if i do so |
| 17:15.28 | JyZyXEL | doesn't Squeeze support ipsets? |
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| 17:15.40 | JyZyXEL | ipset -N foo iphash |
| 17:15.43 | JyZyXEL | FATAL: Module ip_set not found. |
| 17:16.36 | Bartzy|work | themill: OK, thanks. Any idea why the cron outputs /bin/sh: -c: line 1: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' /bin/sh: -c: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file |
| 17:16.37 | Bartzy|work | ? |
| 17:17.07 | abrotman | your script is broken? |
| 17:17.08 | themill | toogreen: "apt-cache policy libc-bin" not "libc6-bin" |
| 17:17.58 | Bartzy|work | abrotman: My script is working in the command line. |
| 17:18.49 | themill | Bartzy|work: sticking the entire crontab in a pastebin would be easier than guessing |
| 17:19.01 | Bartzy|work | themill, abrotman: /bin/gzip -c /var/log/clock.log > /tmp/clock.log-`date +%H%M`.gz 2> /dev/null |
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| 17:19.06 | Bartzy|work | That's the cronjob |
| 17:19.19 | Bartzy|work | working when I just execute it in shell |
| 17:19.20 | toogreen | is it even possible at all to go from stable->squeeze after it seemed to have partly dist-upgraded? |
| 17:19.24 | toogreen | @themill: http://pastebin.com/SsnLj9yf |
| 17:20.02 | themill | toogreen: so that looks fine. What's "uname -r" and "apt-cache policy udev" looking like? |
| 17:20.14 | karlpinc | I can't figure out how to run a jar file. What package do I install to read about executing java? (on lenny) |
| 17:20.46 | toogreen | uname -r = 2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 17:21.03 | themill | karlpinc: "/msg dpkg install java"; you can either use "java -jar" or binfmt-misc |
| 17:21.36 | toogreen | @themill: udev policy: http://pastebin.com/DR3nWwWK |
| 17:21.53 | toogreen | @themill: uname -r = 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 17:21.54 | martin3z | ok, handled by /usr/share/ratpoison.desktop, many thx for help |
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| 17:22.49 | themill | toogreen: ok, so the next step is to look at what apt wants to do when you upgrade udev and the kernel -- can you pastebin the output of "apt-get install linux-image-686 udev" |
| 17:23.30 | Bartzy|work | how can I see cronjob output without mailing it ? |
| 17:23.49 | Bartzy|work | /var/log/syslog just shows that the cronjob has been executed. But not the output.. |
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| 17:24.39 | toogreen | @themill: err, im a little worried to do that, cuz i just simulated it (using apt-get -s |
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| 17:24.53 | toogreen | @themill: and it told me that it would break libc6 |
| 17:25.03 | toogreen | @themill: apt-get install li |
| 17:25.05 | toogreen | ooops |
| 17:25.18 | toogreen | @themill: i meant to paste: E: Conf Broken libc-bin |
| 17:25.21 | themill | toogreen: I'd like to see the command and entire output in a pastebin please. |
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| 17:25.30 | Bartzy|work | anyone ? |
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| 17:25.43 | toogreen | @themill yup doing that hold on |
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| 17:26.09 | Bartzy|work | themill : I pasted my cronjob above... |
| 17:26.22 | toogreen | @themill: http://pastebin.com/Wjp2tWvL |
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| 17:28.31 | xindz | Is it possible to bind ctrl + alt + t to terminal? If yes, How ? |
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| 17:29.05 | phogg | xindz: there are many ways to make that work depending on your environment. Generically, try xbindkeys |
| 17:29.24 | xindz | Okay, It is a Hp probook 4520s laptop |
| 17:29.40 | phogg | xindz: that's irrelevant, I mean your software environment. |
| 17:29.45 | xindz | aha |
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| 17:30.09 | Fisiu | hi |
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| 17:30.34 | Fisiu | does 6.0 net iso support wifi during installation? |
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| 17:31.27 | xindz | phogg thanks for the tip. I'lltry it tomorrow! |
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| 17:33.42 | mohadib_ | howdy, I have installed vim on Squeeze, but Vi is being used, do I need to config something? |
| 17:33.44 | toogreen | @themill: just a thought, could it be a bad repos? |
| 17:33.46 | mohadib_ | to use vim |
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| 17:34.21 | toogreen | @themill nevermind, just tried to change repos, same thing.. :-( |
| 17:34.34 | simonrvn | mohadib_: might be in vi emulation mode |
| 17:35.03 | Iridos | mohadib_, we don't know what you mean... "vi" is normally a link to vim... perhaps you mean you have vim-tiny instead of vim |
| 17:35.19 | mohadib_ | uh |
| 17:35.23 | mohadib_ | there is not vim package |
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| 17:35.32 | mohadib_ | its vim-tiny ot vim-cmmon |
| 17:35.41 | mohadib_ | i have them both installed |
| 17:35.45 | mohadib_ | the config shows vi compat off |
| 17:35.57 | mohadib_ | yet, when i 'vi foo' it works like vi |
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| 17:36.29 | mohadib_ | synatx highlighting is on |
| 17:36.35 | justin | mohadib_: ls -l /etc/alternatives/vi |
| 17:36.38 | mohadib_ | and nothing is happending, and all the keys work like vi |
| 17:37.00 | mohadib_ | http://pastebin.com/Bn7c90WK |
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| 17:37.23 | justin | pastebin is for pasting multiple lines of output |
| 17:37.31 | mohadib_ | there was 2 |
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| 17:37.42 | mohadib_ | RIF |
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| 17:37.53 | ziroux | 1 input and 1 output |
| 17:37.54 | justin | the first being the exact command I told you to type, which obviously is redundant |
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| 17:37.58 | justin | anyway, you are using vim-tiny |
| 17:38.09 | justin | you probably don't want to be using vim-tiny |
| 17:38.09 | mohadib_ | and? |
| 17:38.13 | mohadib_ | ah |
| 17:38.40 | Iridos | judd, versions vim |
| 17:38.42 | judd | Package vim on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2; squeeze: 2:7.2.445+hg~cb94c42c0e1a-1; sid: 2:7.3.035+hg~8fdc12103333-1; wheezy: 2:7.3.035+hg~8fdc12103333-1 |
| 17:38.58 | Iridos | mohadib_, I would say there is a package called vim |
| 17:39.01 | justin | try installing plain 'vim' and running update-alternatives --config vi and for vim also |
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| 17:39.34 | justin | something like 'apt-get install vim vim-tiny-' may work also |
| 17:39.35 | mohadib_ | http://pastebin.com/KSqtd3G3 |
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| 17:40.08 | Iridos | I dunno why vim-tiny is installed by default... I've found only two types of people... those who don't use vi at all (and don't care) and those who don't like vim-tiny |
| 17:40.25 | justin | mohadib_: looks like your sources.list is broken |
| 17:40.38 | crilly | I need to get to grips with more than the vim basics; it would make on the CLI a lot easier. |
| 17:40.43 | justin | apt-cache search vim should return about 50 things |
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| 17:40.52 | dantes_ono | hello, anyone can offer some help regarding headless virtualbox on debian? |
| 17:40.53 | mohadib_ | http://pastebin.com/tLSsQBrf |
| 17:40.57 | justin | apt-cache search ^vim would return 20 |
| 17:40.59 | mohadib_ | look messed up? |
| 17:41.03 | Iridos | I would say looks like he has only the CD in his sources.list |
| 17:41.03 | mohadib_ | hmm |
| 17:41.10 | snow_man | Iridos: for quick editing I prefer vi/vim-tiny to the full vim |
| 17:41.16 | mohadib_ | the network went down during install |
| 17:41.19 | justin | mohadib_: s/main/main contrib/ |
| 17:41.23 | mohadib_ | but i have ran update/updgreade etc |
| 17:41.23 | snow_man | Iridos: but for coding I prefer full vim |
| 17:41.26 | Iridos | snow_man, you just said that to be annoying! |
| 17:41.35 | justin | mohadib_: or s/main/main contrib non-free/ |
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| 17:42.42 | Bartzy|work | how can I see cronjob output without mailing it ? |
| 17:42.44 | Bartzy|work | /var/log/syslog just shows that the cronjob has been executed. But not the output.. |
| 17:43.26 | becks` | hi, having a textfile that looks like a table (with a lot of whitespaces to separate the columns), how could I select a column using e.g. cut? |
| 17:43.38 | Iridos | !tell mohadib_ -about sources.list |
| 17:43.39 | mohadib_ | that did it , thanks a lot Justin and everyone else |
| 17:43.52 | mohadib_ | not sure how it got in that state |
| 17:44.03 | mohadib_ | its a fresh install, maybe the install process was buggered |
| 17:44.40 | justin | becks`: is it fixed width whitespace that separates the columns, or tabs? |
| 17:44.55 | Iridos | becks`, awk '{print $2}' file |
| 17:44.59 | becks` | justin it is fixed only with whitespaces, no tabs at all |
| 17:45.09 | Bartzy|work | becks`: echo "column1 column2 column3" | awk '{print $2}' |
| 17:45.31 | Iridos | ($2 obviously standing for the 2nd column) |
| 17:45.32 | becks` | thanks a lot Iridos and Bartzy :-) |
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| 17:46.32 | Iridos | that miserably fails on some files supposed to be parsed by fortran, with columns being on fixed positions from begin of line... and sometimes no whitespace between columns |
| 17:46.37 | mohadib_ | one more question |
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| 17:46.40 | themill | toogreen: it's not obvious to me what apt is complaining about here. The package versions look right and what it is going to do seems right. Is this a remote machine or a local machine, btw? |
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| 17:47.00 | mohadib_ | my tech does installs, sometimes his installs only come with ssh, opther times it comes with nfs rpcbind etc |
| 17:47.05 | mohadib_ | i ask him, and he has no clue |
| 17:47.15 | mohadib_ | any idea how to get the most minimal install? |
| 17:47.18 | toogreen | @themill: remote, and I have no physical access to it ATM. which worries me quite a bit. |
| 17:47.24 | justin | mohadib_: don't select any tasks during the install |
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| 17:47.29 | themill | toogreen: indeed. |
| 17:47.34 | mohadib_ | hmm, thats what i told him lol |
| 17:47.41 | justin | mohadib_: using something like puppet to make all your machines the same helps too |
| 17:47.42 | mohadib_ | maybe the tech is "special" |
| 17:47.49 | mohadib_ | ah, ill look into that |
| 17:47.50 | mohadib_ | thanks |
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| 17:48.31 | toogreen | @themill: I just hate myself right now, i just logged in to do a routine update... Forgetting it was set as "stable" in sources.list... So I wasn't expecting it to go mad and upgrade release |
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| 17:48.49 | AbuDhabi | Any reason why Ctrl+Alt+Backspace won't work on Squeeze? |
| 17:49.02 | themill | dpkg: tell AbuDhabi about dontzap |
| 17:49.20 | toogreen | @themill: now it seems like it upgraded parts of itself to squeeze, and there's no release notes or instructions for such case as mine... |
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| 17:49.54 | greycat | toogreen: this is perfectly normal in the lenny->squeeze process |
| 17:49.57 | AbuDhabi | themill: Thanks. |
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| 17:50.26 | toogreen | @themill: the system seems to be working fine ATM though. In a couple days I may be able to get access to it... Should I just leave it as it is now, I mean is it safe or this may crash at some point? |
| 17:50.52 | themill | !dbugs 559733 |
| 17:50.57 | dpkg | #559733:N[apt] Conf libc-bin broken Breaks:libc6 (); Sun, 06 Dec 2009 18:15:02 UTC [559328] |
| 17:51.27 | toogreen | woah this is an old bug.. |
| 17:51.28 | themill | toogreen: according to that bug, it's just apt saying that everything will end in tears in simulation mode when it would actually be ok in the end |
| 17:51.57 | Bartzy|work | how can I see cronjob output without mailing it ? /var/log/syslog just shows that the cronjob has been executed. But not the output. |
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| 17:52.25 | justin | Bartzy|work: add | logger to the end of the cron job? |
| 17:52.26 | toogreen | @themill Ok, sounds "kinda" reassuring, heheh.. So what do you reckon I should do for now? Leave it like that for now and wait a few days? Or go ahead anyway?? |
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| 17:52.31 | greycat | You can use >/var/tmp/somelogfile 2>&1 |
| 17:52.55 | toogreen | @themill - go ahead with the dist-upgrade i meant... |
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| 17:53.12 | Bartzy|work | OK, thanks. |
| 17:53.24 | Bartzy|work | Also, why you can't use '%' in cronjobs ? You have to escape it for some reason... |
| 17:53.26 | greycat | toogreen: kernel+udev, then dist-upgrade, then pick up any odds and ends. |
| 17:53.30 | toogreen | @themill my question is more like, is it safe to leave my system as it is now or is it in an unstable state? |
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| 17:53.39 | greycat | Bartzy|work: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/043 |
| 17:54.00 | themill | toogreen: the machine is presumably in a working and hopefully still bootable state for the moment. it depends on the consequences of it failing vs having to travel to get to it |
| 17:54.13 | toogreen | @greycat: after installing kernel+udev i should reboot right? Or not? Release notes said so.. |
| 17:54.25 | greycat | !lenny->squeeze |
| 17:54.29 | AimHere | You won't get your new kernel up and running until you reboot |
| 17:54.37 | themill | greycat: we're somewhere off the lenny->squeeze script with this one, btw |
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| 17:54.45 | damex | AimHere: fail |
| 17:54.46 | Bartzy|work | greycat: Thanks, but I didn't find the '%' explaination in the man pages |
| 17:54.48 | damex | there is way :D |
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| 17:54.49 | toogreen | ok so dist-upgrade should be ran under the new kernel.. i get it |
| 17:54.50 | damex | its kexec |
| 17:55.00 | greycat | Bartzy|work: it should be in *one* of the crontab man pages. I don't remember which one. |
| 17:55.05 | Bartzy|work | found it |
| 17:55.06 | themill | toogreen: I suspect that failure is perfectly normal based on that bug, but I'ver seen it before |
| 17:55.11 | Bartzy|work | thanks greycat, as always.. |
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| 17:56.18 | toogreen | Ok thanks guys... I still hate myself though for running this upgrade... i wasn't quite ready for dist-upgrading yet |
| 17:56.54 | themill | toogreen: it's not so much that the dist-upgrade won't work if running on the old kernel+udev, more that the udev maintainer believes that the machine should be rebooted immediately after installing the new version as no-one knows what might break when you run the old one... |
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| 17:59.45 | toogreen | @themill I see. I just hope that my system is in a bootable state that's all!! |
| 17:59.59 | JyZyXEL | how do you build xtable-addons-source with make-kpkg? |
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| 18:01.02 | Bartzy|work | /bin/sh: line 1: fg: no job control - My cronjob returned this - haa? :\ |
| 18:01.12 | jhambo | Is there any way to get an x screensaver that shows a running terminal? |
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| 18:01.32 | Bartzy|work | /usr/bin/mysqldump --opt --database my_db --tables test | gzip > /tmp/mysql-db-`%H00`.sql.gz |
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| 18:02.00 | enli | Hello, I wanted to make some changes to Nautilus so I did, apt-get source and changed few things. Now before getting the source my nautilus was of old version. How do I build the new deb file out of source so after installing it, synaptic/dpkg will correctly understand that the latest version is installed? |
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| 18:02.50 | themill | Bartzy|work: `%H00` looks pretty wrong |
| 18:03.27 | Bartzy|work | themill: why? |
| 18:03.33 | Bartzy|work | oh |
| 18:03.37 | Bartzy|work | sorry that's with date |
| 18:03.49 | jhambo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.06 | karlpinc | enli: There's some recommendations for rebuilding and repackaging source debs at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware in the multi-media section. I don't know that would be helpful or not. |
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| 18:04.54 | simonrvn | Bartzy|work: non-interactive shells don't have job control |
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| 18:05.41 | gnarf | hey there, i'm trying to install from an old lenny netinst CD and am getting an "untrusted" package for the linux kernel that is halting the install |
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| 18:06.23 | greycat | You realize that lenny is not the most recent stable release? |
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| 18:08.17 | gnarf | i do |
| 18:08.23 | gnarf | downloading fresh isos |
| 18:08.45 | gnarf | was just curious why it would be giving me a untrusted error |
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| 18:09.50 | Sevet | i have a lenny server with grub2 installed. how can i reconfigure it to try a pxe boot, and use the existing boot if the pxe one fails? |
| 18:11.13 | pipeline | Sevet: PXE is a creature of the system firmware. You can load grup through PXE, but there's no way to handle 100% automatic fallback if PXE succeeds but the boot process fails. |
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| 18:11.20 | pipeline | Sevet: HOWEVER |
| 18:11.34 | pipeline | Sevet: you should be able to configure the system firmware to try PXE, and if the PXE process itself fails, fall back to booting a local device |
| 18:11.50 | Sevet | yea... no physical access to do that though :) |
| 18:12.09 | pipeline | Sevet: then you can't do what you want to do :P |
| 18:12.16 | pipeline | Sevet: at least not with PXE |
| 18:12.17 | Sevet | i have a working pxe boot setup - just worried that it won't be reachable if the grub2 pxe isn't configured right |
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| 18:12.35 | pipeline | Sevet: most servers support serial-over-LAN now |
| 18:12.50 | pipeline | Sevet: so you could configure grub to speak serial, then use the BMC for out-of-band access |
| 18:13.03 | pipeline | Sevet: that way if something goes wrong in the grub process, you can troubleshoot interactively from afar |
| 18:13.18 | avis | i have a desktop in debian 6.0 with files and icons on it, yet, none of them appear can anyone please assist me ? |
| 18:13.22 | pipeline | Sevet: of course you will probably need someone with access to the local console to do the initial setup on the BMC :( |
| 18:13.40 | pipeline | Sevet: what vendor/server/motherboard do you have ? |
| 18:13.42 | Sevet | old server - no bmc :( |
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| 18:13.50 | pipeline | Sevet: uhhhh it would have to be *really* old. Like pre-2005. |
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| 18:13.53 | Sevet | i might try pxe and pray |
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| 18:14.27 | Sevet | there's remote hands support, they might be able to configure pxe in the bios but i think it has a password set and my predecessor didn't document any of his passwords :) |
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| 18:15.00 | avis | is it just me or has this channel changed since the squeeze release ? |
| 18:15.06 | Sevet | pipeline: bought in 2006 at a very low budget :/ |
| 18:15.36 | greycat | One would expect a new release to change the kinds of questions that are seen. |
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| 18:16.18 | pipeline | Sevet: yeah that almost certainly has a BMC on it whether you like it or not |
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| 18:16.46 | pipeline | Sevet: almost all "server" hardware from that era does, even though it was pre-IPMI-2.0, there were pre-standard things for serial over lan from Intel, Tyan, Sun, HP etc |
| 18:17.05 | pipeline | Sevet: I had a Tyan whitebox PC from 2002 that had serial over LAN for fuck's sake :P |
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| 18:17.41 | ericpersson | i upgraded to squeeze this week, and it feels like my laptop got warmer, strangely enough. I still have ondemand cpu scaling on, so that should be the issue.. any other ideas? |
| 18:17.55 | avis | Tyans were good stuff |
| 18:18.01 | avis | :) |
| 18:18.14 | ericpersson | btw, how much fun isnt it every time a new version arrives, feels like christmas.. :) |
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| 18:18.17 | Sevet | pipeline: trust me, not this one - i've even checked with the manufacturer. it really annoys me because every other server does have one |
| 18:18.18 | johnfg | howdy! |
| 18:18.33 | Sevet | it's basically a normal pc motherboard but in a 1u case |
| 18:18.55 | Sevet | perhaps that's what you mean by "server" |
| 18:18.57 | Sevet | :) |
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| 18:19.15 | johnfg | I can't seem to get openafs to run correctly. Same problem, it seems, as when squeeze was in testing. No problem at all in lenny. |
| 18:19.46 | johnfg | I've got kerberos and openldap without too much trouble, but not openafs. |
| 18:20.19 | Datz | Hi, I'm having trouble installing POE, can someone take a look and let me know what the problem may be? http://pastebin.com/R9uvxzyK |
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| 18:20.29 | Datz | via cpan^ |
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| 18:23.05 | skrewlaa | help, i umounted a /dev/vg1/blah did lvextend on it, now /dev/vg1 doesn't exist. it still exists under /dev/mapper .. how can I get /dev/vg1 to show up again?? |
| 18:23.24 | petemc | vgchange -ay |
| 18:23.44 | skrewlaa | thank you! crap i was freaking out |
| 18:23.57 | petemc | nop |
| 18:23.59 | petemc | erm, np |
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| 18:24.48 | niklasfi | how do i install ngnix (http://packages.debian.org/de/lenny/nginx) if aptitude does not find that package? |
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| 18:25.47 | Datz | niklasfi: try something like "aptitude search ngnix" to check if the package goes by a different name. |
| 18:26.06 | niklasfi | Datz: no hits |
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| 18:26.07 | Datz | humm.. finds nothing |
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| 18:26.19 | changeling | hello everybody |
| 18:26.37 | Datz | niklasfi: maybe try nginx :P |
| 18:27.12 | niklasfi | Datz: that sounds better |
| 18:27.36 | petemc | niklasfi: does /etc/apt/sources.list contain a line pointing to a mirror like http://ftp.de.debian.org lenny main ? |
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| 18:27.52 | niklasfi | by the way what do i do about all the perl warnings "setting locale failed"? i tried serveral things but none of them worked |
| 18:28.00 | petemc | dpkg-reconfogure locales |
| 18:28.09 | greycat | niklasfi: if they occur during upgrade, ignore them. |
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| 18:28.13 | niklasfi | petemc: sorry it was just a typo |
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| 18:28.28 | niklasfi | petemc tryied that |
| 18:28.33 | greycat | if they occur *afterward*, then look into that /etc/default/locale vs. /etc/environment thing maybe, which reminds me... |
| 18:28.39 | JasonWoof | yay :) no conflicts for updating all in sid (xorg in particular) |
| 18:28.56 | JasonWoof | thanks everybody for all the updates! |
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| 18:30.58 | Craigwd_2000 | I'm in physic contact with The WikiMedia sisters who have decided that OS-tans should be referred to as OS-sans. |
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| 18:32.29 | Craigwd_2000 | What's the general consensus on OS-tans versus OS-sans...? Personally I think calling them OS-tans is a misuse of Japanese honorifics... |
| 18:32.44 | amazon10x | i'm on debian testing and i'm having this bizzare issue where when i try to launch X apps (specifically xfce4-session), i'm getting this error "symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libXi.so.6: undefined symbol: XESetWireToEventCookie" |
| 18:33.58 | greycat | Craigwd_2000: do you have a Debian question? |
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| 18:34.50 | Craigwd_2000 | No: I'm just asking in this channel to get a Linux opinion on OS-tans versus OS-sans... |
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| 18:36.15 | Craigwd_2000 | On the other hand I'd like to know if the current Squeeze version of Debian kFreeBSD is based on Gnome or KDE... |
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| 18:36.59 | pipeline | Craigwd_2000: it's not based on anything |
| 18:37.01 | _jesse_ | hey all, I'm having issues connecting to a hidden SSID that uses MAC filtering, but no encryption |
| 18:37.11 | pipeline | Craigwd_2000: debian is not tied to a specific desktop environment |
| 18:37.22 | pipeline | Craigwd_2000: install kde. or gnome. or both. or neither. |
| 18:37.32 | _jesse_ | strangely, one of the syslog entries says 'NetworkManager[1286]: <info> (ra0): reset MAC address to 00:00:00:00:00:00' |
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| 18:39.35 | _jesse_ | Complete log excerpt: http://pastebin.com/e0xRsFuF |
| 18:40.11 | _jesse_ | this only started happening recently so I assume an update caused it |
| 18:40.30 | wildc4rd | evening all |
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| 18:42.15 | niklasfi | what should the output of locale -a be? |
| 18:42.25 | greycat | *sigh* Damn, it appears that squeeze is just as bad as lenny was about overriding locale. |
| 18:42.29 | _jesse_ | On a side note; the wireless card also never comes back after hibernating too (any terminal I have open says IRQ Interrupt 19 disabled" |
| 18:42.31 | greycat | niklasfi: whatever you want it to be |
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| 18:43.06 | _jesse_ | ifconfig up returns that the operation is not permitted |
| 18:43.25 | niklasfi | greycat: well with my server the output is https://gist.github.com/821077 . that does not look as if that is how it should be |
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| 18:43.42 | greycat | niklasfi: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:44.00 | greycat | pick some locales (for example, en_US.UTF-8) and generate 'em. |
| 18:44.09 | Craigwd_2000 | Oh: because I saw a screenshot of it running Gnome on a Debian Linux versus Debian kFreeBSD benchmarking site... Why whenever I try to install KDE 4.5.X or the LXDE hybrid distro it never seems to work quite right... |
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| 18:45.27 | greycat | /etc/pam.d/su:session required pam_env.so readenv=1 envfile=/etc/default/locale |
| 18:45.30 | greycat | GAH! |
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| 18:45.53 | greycat | watches the pieces of that particular shattered dream twinkle in the breeze |
| 18:46.04 | pipeline | _jesse_: failure to come back after suspend is a very common problem |
| 18:46.13 | pipeline | _jesse_: every laptop I've had in recent years has that problem |
| 18:46.14 | malik | just installed debian per netinstall cd. i move a few windows, xorg jumps to 30% cpu, i hold the backspace key in a terminal, metacity goes to 100% cpu. is this normal? |
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| 18:46.21 | pipeline | _jesse_: solution; unload the wireless driver before suspend, reload at resume |
| 18:46.33 | _jesse_ | pipeline: I was worried it would be; it never happend up until about a week ago though |
| 18:46.56 | pipeline | _jesse_: as for your MAC filtering problem... MAC filtering is non-standard, ergo unpredictable. I can't really help you with that. I would suggest troubleshooting without networkmanager, as N-M makes everything about 100x as complicated as it needs to be. |
| 18:46.58 | _jesse_ | around when I updated; possibly to squeeze though I've been using sid anyway |
| 18:47.02 | rvause | I have a really strange problem with audio on a Sony Vaio. It has an Intel HDA chipset. When I plug my head phones in with all mixer level maxed I can just hear a very quiet and feint sound. Does anybody know what could possibly be the problem? |
| 18:47.11 | pipeline | _jesse_: also, MACs are trivially spoofed, so it's not security in any meaningful way. |
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| 18:47.35 | _jesse_ | pipeline: I know, I'm not the one who set up the network; I believe it's just to keep normal people off |
| 18:47.48 | pipeline | _jesse_: That's stupid. Configure security. |
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| 18:48.14 | _jesse_ | pipeline: I can suggest that, but I don't think tech will entertain such a switch ;) |
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| 18:48.31 | pipeline | _jesse_: it's 2011. If you're not using WPA2+AES you fucked up :P |
| 18:48.41 | _jesse_ | hahaha |
| 18:48.44 | cahoot | rvause: some hda-intel devices need a special module option - ALSA-Configuration.txt might be worth a look |
| 18:49.14 | _jesse_ | pipeline: the `normal` netowrk is 802.1x, I think the hidden one is legacy from before they set the new one up |
| 18:49.27 | _jesse_ | but unfortunately my wireless driver hates 802.1x so it is very unpredictable |
| 18:50.01 | _jesse_ | thus I was using the hidden SSID one |
| 18:50.34 | pipeline | _jesse_: ughh a wireless driver with bad 802.1x support, useless. I would just remove it entirely and buy an expresscard wifi unit at that point. |
| 18:50.53 | peterrooney | I'm still wondering if there is some way to have network-manager die a slow and painful death. |
| 18:50.56 | rvause | cahoot: So if my device is not listed there would it be unsupported? |
| 18:51.03 | greycat | wonders, not for the first time, precisely *why* the locale names in "dpkg-reconfigure locales" do not match the locale names in "locale -a" |
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| 18:51.10 | _jesse_ | pipeline: it's a netbook so no PCI slots |
| 18:51.13 | pipeline | peterrooney: uninstall it and learn to love manual use of iwconfig and wpa_supplicant |
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| 18:51.19 | pipeline | _jesse_: throw it away and buy a not-trash laptop then P: |
| 18:51.26 | _jesse_ | hahaha |
| 18:51.29 | pipeline | _jesse_: I have literally no use for a wireless chip that doesn't do 802.1x |
| 18:51.37 | pipeline | _jesse_: that's like a car that doesn't have any forward gears |
| 18:51.43 | cahoot | rvause: not really - might only indicate there's no known moduleoption to use |
| 18:51.44 | pipeline | _jesse_: a boat with a pre-drilled hole |
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| 18:51.54 | pipeline | _jesse_: a fork with no tines |
| 18:52.17 | _jesse_ | pipeline: well it does, it just drops intermittedly and the bandwidth is lower than it should be |
| 18:52.23 | greycat | a computer with Windows installed |
| 18:52.26 | _jesse_ | *lower than I think it should be |
| 18:52.35 | pipeline | _jesse_: yeah that's solidly in the category of non-watertight boating |
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| 18:52.46 | _jesse_ | pipeline: :P I like the analogies though |
| 18:52.48 | kdog | where can I change the settings for the pop up messages in gnome? |
| 18:53.04 | pipeline | _jesse_: I'm sure your netbook would make a very fine door stop |
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| 18:53.33 | rvause | What is strange that up until this afternoon, I was using Ubuntu and I had no problems with sound. Is it possible Ubuntu is more up to date with audio support? |
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| 18:53.54 | _jesse_ | pipeline: hehe; well the driver is the same from before (when it was working) as I compiled it from source; I'm not sure what I updated that could have broken it though |
| 18:54.01 | ericpersson | solved the tempissue with squeeze, the wrong graphics card got activated.. |
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| 18:54.50 | pipeline | rvause: who knows. There are literally hundreds of flavors of Intel HDA, with more flavors added all the time. If you don't have the right module argument for the flavor you have, the input/output plugs can be misrouted. (e.g. mic could become headphone out) |
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| 18:55.20 | pipeline | rvause: it's somewhat likely that is happening to you. Fixing it involves spending quality time reading the ALSA notes on Intel HDA, trying shit, and crossing your fingers. It's not something anyone can give you a canned solution for. |
| 18:55.52 | pipeline | _jesse_: it could have nothing to do with your end of things though |
| 18:55.55 | rvause | Ok. Thanks for the advice. |
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| 18:56.00 | pipeline | _jesse_: mac filtering is non-standard, problem could be on the other end :( |
| 18:56.25 | pipeline | _jesse_: I would try disabling network manager and wpa_supplicant entirely, then configuring for the hidden ssid with iwconfig, watch logs, see what happens. |
| 18:56.51 | peterrooney | pipeline: wicd, for when i absolutely must use wireless. |
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| 18:57.10 | _jesse_ | pipeline: yeah I did find it strange that the WPA supplicant thought it should get involved |
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| 18:57.24 | _jesse_ | I'll give the manual configuration a shot; thanks for the advice |
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| 18:57.39 | pipeline | _jesse_: wpa_supplicant handles configuring the ssid for network manager, but you don't actually NEED it for a non-802.1x network |
| 18:57.47 | cahoot | rvause: /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/HD-Audio-Models.txt.gz |
| 18:57.48 | pipeline | _jesse_: you can do unencrypted and WEP networks with iwconfig alone |
| 18:57.58 | _jesse_ | pipeline: mmm I see |
| 18:58.08 | _jesse_ | maybe I should try wicd too, I forgot about that one |
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| 18:59.55 | rvause | cahoot: it is mentioned in this file. |
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| 19:01.20 | zrin | is there a way to check from a bash script if a HDD (like /dev/sda) is in use in the system (before performing write tests)? |
| 19:02.08 | bluesceada | hey anyone can recommend some advanced scanning software for sane |
| 19:02.12 | greycat | You'd have to check for swap partitions as well as mounted partitions. Even that isn't a 100% foolproof test, especially if you have to unmangle LVM to raw devices. |
| 19:02.27 | bluesceada | kde's default is somewhat limited (cant even select the exact letter,A4,whatever region) |
| 19:03.45 | pipeline | zrin: fdisk -u -l --- if there's no partition table, then it's probably not in use :D |
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| 19:03.57 | xyan | bluesceada: im pretty happy with xsane |
| 19:04.12 | greycat | pipeline: but the inverse (or is it converse?) isn't true. |
| 19:04.21 | bluesceada | hmm ok, why is the best software always that "non-stylish" xD |
| 19:04.32 | zrin | greycat: you mean I'd have to parse md-raid, LVM and mount state? |
| 19:04.34 | bluesceada | xpdf was a long time the best pdf reader ... (or still is in some cases) |
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| 19:04.57 | bluesceada | xyan: can it select a4,letter region? |
| 19:05.11 | zrin | greycat: ... and swapon -s |
| 19:05.14 | justin | xpdf was turned into a library (poppler) that is used by many other programs these days |
| 19:05.39 | phogg | but xpdf's UI is so nice, why use anything else? |
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| 19:06.08 | greycat | zrin: I don't know what the comprehensive list would be. I just listed the ones I could think of. And that won't detect oracle-using-a-raw-partition etc. |
| 19:06.11 | pipeline | greycat: yeah, a much harder problem to solve |
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| 19:06.27 | zrin | greycat: I see, thank you |
| 19:06.57 | pipeline | zrin: man when I start thinking of all the thingsy ou gotta check for a block device in use... swapon -s, /proc/mdstat, mdadm -E the device itself, lvm pvdisplay |
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| 19:07.23 | pipeline | zrin: maybe just replace with big prompt for user: "Are you SURE /dev/cciss0 isn't in use?" |
| 19:07.37 | zrin | I thought there might be something like lsof to check for open "handle"... |
| 19:07.58 | zrin | pipeline: this is what i have now :) |
| 19:08.03 | greycat | zrin: that breaks down due to the LVM layer, possibly among other things |
| 19:08.10 | pipeline | heh the kernel knows which block devices are in use, because it won't refresh partition data on used block devices... but there's no easy way to get that data out of the kernel :( |
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| 19:08.47 | jbl | How can I recreate the default config files for a package? I've upgraded from Karmic to Lucid and php stopped working probably because of some missing extensions. I've moved the /etc/php5 directory and now I'm trying to recreate it, but I apt-get says: Not replacing deleted config file ..... |
| 19:09.01 | xyan | bluesceada: im not sure, cant check right now cause i dont have a scanner at home. but if you really need to crop something run xsane from gimp and do it there |
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| 19:09.04 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 19:09.06 | pipeline | jbl: try install with "--reinstall" |
| 19:09.13 | AlexC_ | does Squeezes 'acl' "getfacl" and "setfacl" support NFSv4? |
| 19:09.16 | pipeline | jbl: there's also an apt option you can fidddle |
| 19:09.26 | justin | !+confmiss |
| 19:09.26 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>. |
| 19:09.28 | peterrooney | jbl: /join #ubuntu |
| 19:09.31 | bluesceada | xyan: no it's about printing it afterwards and really get the correct size |
| 19:09.34 | pipeline | AlexC_: unfortunately NFSv4 ACLs and Linux "POSIX" ACLs don't line up very well |
| 19:09.48 | bluesceada | or making a pdf or whatever, so you can really get exactly A4 or letter size |
| 19:09.50 | pipeline | AlexC_: so even if the support were present, I can't tell you exactly how well it would work :( |
| 19:09.55 | xyan | bluesceada: thats a matter of the print setup then isnt it? |
| 19:10.08 | bluesceada | no if it's already scanned correctly it will be the correct size |
| 19:10.08 | AlexC_ | pipeline: so it's easier to just use the 'nfs4-acl-tools' package and 'nfs4_getfacl'? |
| 19:10.15 | pipeline | AlexC_: definitely |
| 19:10.26 | bluesceada | like some more or less official document or whatever you want to scan |
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| 19:10.38 | pipeline | AlexC_: to repeat: NFSv4 ACLs are not compatible with traditional filesystem ACLs. I don't know why that wheel had to be reinvented, but it did. |
| 19:10.39 | AlexC_ | pipeline: ok, and do you know where or even if I need to set mount options such as 'acl'? |
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| 19:11.17 | AlexC_ | the filesystem that is being exported via NFS is a JFS ... which AFAIK supports ACL, but not NFSv4 ACL, will that cause an issue? |
| 19:11.26 | jbl | pipeline: thanks, but it doesn't seem to work for all the packages, for example libapache2-mod-php5 still gives the message |
| 19:11.29 | xyan | bluesceada: hrm try xsane, you can remove it if does not serve your purpose |
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| 19:11.42 | pipeline | AlexC_: I don't know all the details, I'm afraid. I don't know whether that will be an issue or not, because I don't know how NFSv4 ACLs are implemented on the server side |
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| 19:11.55 | AlexC_ | ok thank you |
| 19:11.57 | johnfg | I've got /usr/local mounted on my /dev/sda8, but am not using it. How can I change it to /vicepa for openafs? Simply unmount /usr/local, then mount /vicepa? |
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| 19:12.02 | pipeline | jbl: the dpkg tip that justin gave you is better advice |
| 19:12.14 | bluesceada | xyan: yeh of course, i will, thanks |
| 19:12.15 | AlexC_ | johnfg: yes |
| 19:12.18 | greycat | johnfg: probably edit /etc/fstab also |
| 19:12.30 | pipeline | AlexC_: it's possible that NFSv4 ACLs are just stored as "extended atrtibutes" in which case I would bet JFS would work |
| 19:12.53 | AlexC_ | pipeline: I think you're right on that. Ok I'll keep playing around with it and see what I can get working |
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| 19:15.03 | pipeline | AlexC_: NFS is a real clusterfuck right now... NFSv4 isn't really "finished" on Linux, pNFS isn't really "finished" on any OS or product, and NFS-on-IPv6 is a work-in-progress on linux. -_- |
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| 19:16.06 | greycat | And I ran into a fun NFS incompatibility upon doing lenny->squeeze. |
| 19:16.18 | greycat | Documented it on wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze for anyone else out there... |
| 19:16.23 | jbl | pipeline: justin: I've tried both. (sudo apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install libapache2-mod-php5) but I still get Not replacing deleted config file /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini :S |
| 19:16.26 | AlexC_ | pipeline: yep, unfortunately there is no other viable solution for me |
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| 19:17.06 | AlexC_ | GlusterFS wont allow me to have ACL or Quota, then using DRBD + GFS or OCFS + AoE is just overkill |
| 19:17.07 | pipeline | AlexC_: yeah I don't think there are any viable solutions right now. You just get to pick from a variety of ways to suffer. |
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| 19:17.37 | AlexC_ | right now I'm working with DRBD + NFS, which seems to be working. So long as I can get ACL working then that's fine |
| 19:17.40 | pipeline | jbl: yeah omit the reinstall and just do the dpkg options argument |
| 19:17.47 | mohadib__ | in a deb control file, can i specify that a given package should be removed? |
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| 19:17.57 | pipeline | mohadib__: "conflicts" |
| 19:18.15 | mohadib__ | that wont just cause the install to be aborted? |
| 19:18.33 | mohadib__ | ill tias, thanks |
| 19:18.35 | greycat | No. It's how it's done. |
| 19:18.42 | mohadib__ | thanks |
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| 19:18.51 | greycat | If you're installing Foo and Foo conflicts with Bar, apt-get will decide you want to remove Bar. |
| 19:18.57 | mohadib__ | nice |
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| 19:22.07 | mohadib__ | hmm |
| 19:22.17 | mohadib__ | maybe gdebi just doesnt do it right |
| 19:22.35 | mohadib__ | when i add conflicts gdebi just exits with : Conflicts with the installed package 'exim4' |
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| 19:23.03 | jbl | pipeline: you mean sudo apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" install libapache2-mod-php5 ? it just says it's already the newest version. If you mean use dpkg I'm not sure where to find the deb file |
| 19:23.21 | pipeline | jbl: oh you already have it installed |
| 19:23.25 | pipeline | jbl: well uninstall and reinstall then :P |
| 19:23.48 | jbl | pipeline: I'll try but I couldn't last time I tried :P something blocking it |
| 19:23.48 | mohadib__ | so am i stuffed? :D |
| 19:23.54 | mohadib__ | using gdebi anyway |
| 19:24.13 | jbl | pipeline: nvm it's removed now |
| 19:24.22 | pipeline | mohadib__: yeah that's just gdebi acting strange |
| 19:24.29 | greycat | !gdebi |
| 19:24.29 | dpkg | from memory, gdebi is a tool to install manually downloaded .deb packages. It is useful as it automatically resolves dependencies for you. aptitude install gdebi or aptitude install gdebi-kde. And/or aptitude install gdebi-core for the command-line utility. https://launchpad.net/gdebi |
| 19:24.29 | mohadib__ | ah bummer |
| 19:24.30 | mohadib__ | thanks |
| 19:24.45 | greycat | Um, isn't that what apt-get does? |
| 19:24.58 | mohadib__ | will apt-get install from the filesystem? |
| 19:25.06 | mohadib__ | apt-get install someFIle |
| 19:25.08 | mohadib__ | ? |
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| 19:25.25 | mohadib__ | this is like dpkg but with dep resolution i think |
| 19:25.27 | greycat | Ah, "manually downloaded". Missed that bit. |
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| 19:25.42 | k[l | wheezy?? |
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| 19:27.03 | jbl | pipeline: same error when I install it again :( is there another way to do it? |
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| 19:28.37 | Dfoolz | Does anyone have any idea why aptitude would begin uninstalling a shitload of important packages like php,mysql,etc... when I ran "apt-get uninstall --purge librmagick-ruby1.8" |
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| 19:28.54 | Dfoolz | how the f*** are any of those packages dependent or even related to librmagick-ruby1.8????? |
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| 19:29.15 | Dfoolz | I'm lucky as hell I caught it right away cause aptitude was about to purge all of my data |
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| 19:30.21 | Bushmills | Dfoolz: aptitude wouldn't do that without asking for confirmation |
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| 19:30.51 | Dfoolz | Right, but I hastily said yes and noticed it only a second afterwards. My question is why would it even do that in the first place? |
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| 19:35.08 | reber | hi all. |
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| 19:35.37 | reber | how to convert a php package from i386 to armel ? |
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| 19:37.24 | greycat | ... huh? |
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| 19:39.06 | Bushmills | Dfoolz: aptitude why librmagick-ruby1.8 |
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| 19:39.29 | Dfoolz | Unable to find a reason to install librmagick-ruby1.8. |
| 19:40.30 | Bushmills | then removal of those other packages shouldn't be related to librmagick-ruby1.8 |
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| 19:40.52 | unop | Would anyone know which debian package provides the 'DatabaseAccess' python module? |
| 19:41.00 | reber | greycat, i have a .deb made for i386 (in release stuff). Inside all is just php, no binaries at all. I need to convert it to run on arm (armel) proc. Any clues how to do that ? |
| 19:41.01 | Dfoolz | Yeah I know.... That's why this shit is so confusing. |
| 19:41.08 | Bushmills | those may be autoinstalled, and the package which recommended or required them had been uninstalled |
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| 19:41.50 | Dfoolz | Well I installed the LAMP and RoR framework all seperately and before librmagick, so I don't see how aptitude made that connection. |
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| 19:42.50 | Guest36032 | hey guys, im having a bit trouble with simple logrotate |
| 19:43.12 | Bushmills | apt-cache depends, and aptitude why ... should be able to give answers to those questions |
| 19:43.13 | Guest36032 | it is giving me Permission denied.. everything looks fine though |
| 19:43.15 | Guest36032 | any help |
| 19:43.20 | Guest36032 | lemme pastebin the error |
| 19:44.14 | Dfoolz | librmagick-ruby1.8 |
| 19:44.15 | Dfoolz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.15 | Dfoolz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.15 | Dfoolz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:44.27 | Dfoolz | whooops |
| 19:44.42 | StyXman | unop: none, says apt-file |
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| 19:44.53 | unop | StyXman, so i see .. hmm, well |
| 19:45.01 | Guest36032 | http://pastebin.com/6GNMxVC9 <- anyone? |
| 19:45.10 | Guest36032 | simple cron stuff ^ |
| 19:45.13 | Guest36032 | help hehe |
| 19:45.55 | Bushmills | Dfoolz: add apt-cache rdepends to the set of tools |
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| 19:55.43 | mohadib__ | is there a tool to make an installable cd from an existing install? |
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| 19:57.39 | k[l | votes syslinux... |
| 19:58.17 | cahoot | vado: lspci -nn? |
| 19:58.56 | bluegene | is it possible to run a service with another user than root using runit? similar to the setuidgid function of daemontools |
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| 19:59.12 | greycat | you could install daemontools and then actually use setuidgid... |
| 19:59.15 | bluegene | and what exactly is the difference between those two? actually i thought they were the same at first sight, but apparently they are not |
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| 19:59.21 | bluegene | greycat: good idea |
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| 19:59.59 | greycat | I've never used runit, so I don't know how it differs. |
| 20:00.18 | vado | cahoot not seing it there either http://pastebin.com/Sh932gE6 |
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| 20:02.50 | Joe7 | Could you please advise regarding Fastest way to copy _data_ across 2 drives? Both drives are software raid ones, target being (much) bigger. All I want is to copy all data from source (md1) to empty target (md2) and then get rid of md1 entirely. 10s of millions of tiny files on the mount so som low level thingie would be the best I guess. |
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| 20:03.03 | greycat | rsync is good. |
| 20:03.16 | greycat | assuming you are talking about mountable file systems, and not raw partitions. |
| 20:03.24 | Joe7 | mountable indeed |
| 20:04.13 | karsten-nr | Joe7: The stats() will cost you. I'd go with rsync or tar regardless. Disabling atime on both sides for the duration of teh transfer might help. |
| 20:04.17 | Joe7 | last time I checked rsync it spent 30mins+ to build list (well md5 hash or something I guess) of like 300k files, now I have ~30Million. |
| 20:04.29 | Joe7 | noatime is set anyway yeah |
| 20:04.32 | karsten-nr | Joe7: rsync >=3.0 does incremental lists now. |
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| 20:04.44 | karsten-nr | Joe7: There has been *much* rejoicing. |
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| 20:05.09 | Joe7 | incremental doesn't matter for me I guess, I want to copy all data to an empty drive :) |
| 20:05.14 | karsten-nr | Joe7: tar won't check file contents. If you have no target instance of the file, rsync should be pretty quick as well. |
| 20:06.05 | Joe7 | @tar: how would that work though? would make a tar on the target drive then I'd need to untar it? |
| 20:06.15 | karsten-nr | Joe7: cd /disk1; tar cvf - . | ( cd /disk2; tar xf - ) |
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| 20:06.23 | karsten-nr | Joe7: streaming tar :) |
| 20:06.50 | greycat | You usually want the v on the extract side, not the create side. |
| 20:06.53 | Joe7 | uhm ic, sorry I missed the tape age => tar newbie :P thx |
| 20:06.59 | karsten-nr | greycat: Sure, whatever. |
| 20:07.02 | greycat | Although it only *really* matters when one of the tars is over ssh. |
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| 20:07.31 | karsten-nr | greycat: Yeah, this is local. I thought of leaving it off entirely as screen writing may be a slow point in the process. |
| 20:07.52 | Joe7 | prolly yeah |
| 20:07.56 | JyZyXEL | how do you select which dhcp client is used to bring up dhcp interfaces from /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 20:08.17 | greycat | By installing it. |
| 20:08.28 | JyZyXEL | you can have multiple dhcp clients installed |
| 20:08.29 | Joe7 | 'only' 500GB of data but something like 30-40M of files, tried simply cp (with screen write), but that was damn slow ;> |
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| 20:08.41 | greycat | Why would you? |
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| 20:08.53 | greycat | So you can troll #debian for answers to dumb questions? |
| 20:09.02 | JyZyXEL | oh wow |
| 20:09.34 | karsten-nr | JyZyXEL: man (8) update-alternatives |
| 20:09.58 | karsten-nr | JyZyXEL: You might also want to see how ifupdown handles its dhcp negotiations. |
| 20:10.29 | greycat | I'm not seeing dhcp under /etc/alternatives/ or in that man page |
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| 20:11.38 | karsten-nr | JyZyXEL: There's also some discussion of that in the /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/changelog.Debian.gz file. |
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| 20:11.58 | S1kx | when I am getting a lot of EAGAIN errors on socket reads, do I have to change kernel fd settings or what could be causing it? |
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| 20:14.17 | JyZyXEL | it talks about /sbin/dhclient |
| 20:14.53 | JyZyXEL | i wonder if its actually hardcoded to ics-dhcp-client |
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| 20:16.28 | rvause | cahoot, pipeline: I managed to fix my intel audio problem. Thanks for the advice. |
| 20:16.48 | cahoot | rvause: how? |
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| 20:19.17 | rvause | The only difference between my Ubuntu setup and my Debian stable set up was that Ubuntu ships with alsa v 1.0.23 and debian with 1.0.21. So I used the source from alsa-project.org to upgrade to 1.0.24 |
| 20:19.48 | cahoot | ok |
| 20:20.00 | greycat | rvause: you're on lenny? squeeze has 1.0.23. |
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| 20:20.57 | phox | hi. |
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| 20:21.16 | phox | anyone here in a position to make an important change to debian init scripts? |
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| 20:21.34 | greycat | You are. To your own scripts. |
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| 20:21.59 | phox | very funny |
| 20:22.17 | greycat | Did you find a bug? If so, did you report it? |
| 20:22.29 | greycat | That would be the primary means of initiating change. |
| 20:22.39 | DusteD | I've mounted /dev/md1 to /mnt, but it does not show up in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ should I take additional measures to assign an uuid to the device? |
| 20:22.39 | phox | seriously, though, I believe I filed a bug on this a while ago and then some nitwit dropped it on the floor because they weren't sure whether to upstream it or not |
| 20:22.43 | phox | the issue is this: |
| 20:22.48 | phox | phox@medusa:/proc/2825$ cat /proc/1/oom_adj |
| 20:22.48 | phox | 0 |
| 20:22.58 | phox | I'm sure you can see why that's a big fucking huge problem. |
| 20:23.11 | phox | sshd, watchdog, etc., are set correctly. but THAT right there is unacceptable. |
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| 20:23.30 | phox | that right there leads to machines becoming useless because the oomkiller is imperfect. |
| 20:23.33 | greycat | You can reopen the bug. Not sure what else to tell you. |
| 20:23.35 | rvause | greycat: I am on squeeze. I notice the package is marked as 1.0.23+dfsg-2. But "cat /proc/asound/version" told a different story. |
| 20:23.44 | AlexC_ | phox: I don't know what that does, but here on Arch Linux I also get 0 |
| 20:23.53 | greycat | rvause: huh... that's interesting. |
| 20:23.55 | phox | AlexC_: yeah, I think this may be appropriate for upstreaming. |
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| 20:24.09 | phox | AlexC_: but if kernel.org is going to be stupid about it then it should be fixed at the distro level |
| 20:24.24 | AlexC_ | phox: *shrugs* I can offer no input, I have no idea what it does |
| 20:24.36 | phox | AlexC_: keeps init from getting killed when the system runs out of memory? |
| 20:24.42 | greycat | I have a guess what it means, but I'm not sure either. |
| 20:24.42 | phox | AlexC_: this is always good |
| 20:24.48 | rvause | greycat: are you on squeeze? it would be interesting to know what your result is |
| 20:24.52 | greycat | rvause: same. |
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| 20:25.50 | nowox | hi |
| 20:26.20 | dutchfish | phox: on my squeeze/x86_64 with stock kernel cat /proc/1/oom_adj |
| 20:26.29 | dutchfish | phox: on my squeeze/x86_64 with stock kernel cat /proc/1/oom_adj returns also 0 |
| 20:26.42 | phox | dutchfish: yep I know |
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| 20:28.02 | dutchfish | phox: so if i understand correclty oomkiller will perfectly kill init when system is running out of mem? |
| 20:28.21 | vado | Why can't I find my Texas Instruments TAS3001C sound chip? http://pastebin.com/8ssUcydN LSHW http://pastebin.com/wSYWV5jg |
| 20:28.24 | xopher | question: If I run screen as root, then in screen, login as user, is it potentially dangerous? |
| 20:28.32 | jroysdon | Can anyone point me to the location or method that would show what services are enabled on a Debian host? I am familiar with Red Hat, which uses /etc/rc.d/, but I'm not seeing it on a system I need to do some documentation on. |
| 20:28.55 | greycat | xopher: don't see why it would be...? |
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| 20:29.06 | greycat | jroysdon: /etc/init.d/ |
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| 20:29.45 | xopher | greycat, ok, thanks, because I'm having issues running screen as non-root or sudo, so this would then be a temporary workaround |
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| 20:31.32 | Iridos | do you know what replaces the program "pamscale"? It seems to have been part of the netpbm package in 2008 (at least it's mentioned in bug #458969) |
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| 20:32.04 | larry_ | Hi! I am running a Debian server with several VMS, I have 2 FakeRaids and 1 real raid using a 3ware 5650 as well as 2 backup drives. It seems that the linux /dev addressing is random, and I can not accuratley predict which drive will be on /dev/sda /dev/sdb /dev/sdc /dev/sde /dev/sdf etc. Is there any way to lock down these /dev assignments? The problem I am having is that the VMs are using the /dev/ addresses to mount virtual disks, wh |
| 20:32.13 | greycat | larry_: use UUIDs instead of device nodes |
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| 20:32.33 | jroysdon | greycat, ack, yeah, I guess this system is more customized than that. I don't appear to have that directory. I do have an /etc/default which appears to have files named service_SERVICENAME and show disabled or enabled. (This is a custom Debian 4 box distributed as RuggedCom's "ROX" router appliance) |
| 20:33.12 | _jesse_ | pipeline: (if you're still around) I can't get iwconfig to stick e.g. it won't set the essid |
| 20:33.12 | larry_ | greycat: I will look into that, so KVM can use UUIDs to address the drives? |
| 20:34.22 | greycat | larry_: /dev/disk/by-uuid/UUID |
| 20:34.40 | larry_ | greycat: Thx! :D |
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| 20:36.53 | greycat | (The other way would be to use LVM, let that worry about the UUID mapping, and then have KVM use the LVM devices.) |
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| 20:40.13 | dutchfish | phox: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=e18641e19a9204f241f04a5ac700168dcd18de4f |
| 20:40.45 | dutchfish | phox: and http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=203f40a5a030ed4048cd40e3bd9ab5df6c5df589 |
| 20:40.50 | greycat | are semicolons allowed in URLs? |
| 20:41.07 | greycat | that's nasty. my double-clicking is configured to stop there. |
| 20:41.15 | dutchfish | greycat: no, but yes in params |
| 20:41.19 | larry_ | greycat: I don't think they are |
| 20:42.20 | phox | dutchfish: ah yeah, finding that myself too |
| 20:42.22 | phox | dutchfish: thanks |
| 20:42.28 | phox | well, seems it's actually resolved. |
| 20:42.34 | dutchfish | greycat: correction, as a separator for params. |
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| 20:44.11 | dutchfish | phox: i think its indeed fixed upstream by obeleting oom_adj, i dont know if it hurts the curent squeeze kernel, its seams simular as the sshd fix and preventing oomkiller to kill. |
| 20:44.37 | dutchfish | obseleting* |
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| 20:45.42 | phox | dutchfish: for other reasons we're running far newer kernels than squeeze would like to give us. we should definitely have it patched. |
| 20:46.03 | phox | dutchfish: something else similar happened today so I was inclined to go fishing for an answer as to what was going on with that gong-show |
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| 20:46.41 | dutchfish | phox: well, but the other link shows me that all inherited processes will decide along, and only one needs unkillable to prevent that disaster. I have to test it out in practise. |
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| 20:47.11 | dutchfish | phox: intresting cal btw, thanks. |
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| 20:47.48 | phox | it's curious that it managed to be around for so long too |
| 20:47.51 | phox | not just in 2.6 |
| 20:47.53 | phox | o.O |
| 20:48.00 | dutchfish | nods |
| 20:48.03 | phox | oomkiller has always been a bit unruly |
| 20:48.22 | Iridos | for the about 0 people interested, it seems pnmscale is the equivalent in squeeze |
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| 20:48.41 | dutchfish | phox: thats why we have well supported distros and userland ;) |
| 20:48.51 | Iridos | (and also was before it was replaced by pamscale... slightly strange) |
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| 20:49.32 | dutchfish | phox: but obseleting oom_adj is even better |
| 20:49.56 | phox | dutchfish: for some values of "well-supported" :P things seem to go much better on freenode than the bug tracker. there it seems newbie triage people drop things like this on the floor because they're not a common category of bug. |
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| 20:50.05 | Flash_ | speaking of oomkiller, I have a server that's randomly invoking it before halting. How best to log usage to find out which process is causing the problem? |
| 20:50.08 | phox | as opposed to "foo segfaults when ____" :P |
| 20:50.20 | dutchfish | phox: fair enough |
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| 20:51.55 | dutchfish | phox: reporting it should be trivial, but i havent tested this case yet, so i cant tell. |
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| 20:53.30 | melo | simonrvn : about my /usr/lib/apt/methods/http, I solved ask to some myfriend anpther one of them. Now it's works. After squeeze updtated it was corrupted |
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| 21:00.14 | dutchfish | Flash_: Its hard to give a general recipe. But this might help to develop one: http://prefetch.net/blog/index.php/2009/09/30/how-the-linux-oom-killer-works/ along with the kernel docs. |
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| 21:01.23 | dutchfish | Flash_: if nothing works out well or is obvious in regards of mem needs start disecting the kernel with git. |
| 21:01.48 | Flash_ | thanks dutchfish. is there any mileage in logging memory usage using smem or similar beforehand? it's usually apache that oomkiller targets, and can be culling for ages or just a few seconds before it takes out something critical and the system halts. |
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| 21:02.19 | Flash_ | it's been going on for some time and I've even moved to a different vm provider, so it must be userspace configuration |
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| 21:02.30 | Flash_ | i am beginning to suspect an exploit on a cms i use |
| 21:02.41 | dutchfish | Flash_: you could rsyslog, script a free and remotely store, etc etc |
| 21:02.56 | DotHack | hi all! |
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| 21:03.30 | dutchfish | Flash_: in case of apache prevent connections longer then xxx time |
| 21:03.48 | Flash_ | that's not a bad workaround, thx |
| 21:04.00 | dutchfish | Flash_: apache has params for that |
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| 21:04.40 | dutchfish | Flash_: oomkiller is just a last resort. No more no less. |
| 21:04.50 | Flash_ | yes. I'd rather find out how, but it's proving elusive |
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| 21:05.01 | dutchfish | Flash_: and more mem wont harm ;) |
| 21:05.15 | agike | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.17 | agike | E: Encountered a section with no Package: header |
| 21:05.18 | agike | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/packages.debian.org_unstable_source_pygtk_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 21:05.21 | agike | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 21:05.22 | Flash_ | did try that on the last vm. 512 to 768 - just made it wait a few more minutes before hanging |
| 21:05.39 | dutchfish | Flash_: apache can also run in debug mode, but be aware of it needed more resources then. |
| 21:05.47 | deego | I couldn't find in release notes if squeeze has moved to ext4 as the default fs? |
| 21:05.58 | greycat | agike: comment out that source, redo apt-get update |
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| 21:06.26 | agike | greycat: thanks. |
| 21:06.45 | Flash_ | dutchfish, just had the thought of checking apache's access logs to see if it is an exploit |
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| 21:07.47 | dutchfish | Devastator: yes ;) |
| 21:08.04 | dutchfish | oops, wrong channel |
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| 21:08.21 | dutchfish | Flash_: you also might consult apache docs or irc channel ... |
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| 21:09.23 | Flash_ | i am seeing a lot of unusual apache behavior and proxy attempts at that time, so I might be onto something along the lines of a scripted attack |
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| 21:09.29 | Flash_ | thanks for your help |
| 21:09.45 | dutchfish | Flash_: yw |
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| 21:10.09 | kjfletch | Running squeeze with emacs (emacs23-gtk) and ran info (C-h i). Lots of the OS info docs are there but I can't see the emacs docs (emacs manual, elisp manaual, etc). Am I being blind? Are they in another package? |
| 21:10.36 | ArMo3 | I'm on Gentoo and a f**d up CD Drive. I have net install iso file. Can I somehow install Debian on my hard disk without a CD Drive? |
| 21:12.00 | Loshki | ArMo3: Maybe http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/, the 'frugal install' option... |
| 21:12.22 | ArMo3 | Kewl |
| 21:12.32 | abrotman | grub2 can boot an ISO |
| 21:12.43 | ArMo3 | abrotman: O.o |
| 21:12.44 | ArMo3 | how? |
| 21:13.08 | abrotman | google? |
| 21:13.25 | deego | Does anyone know if ext4 is the default fs in squeeze? |
| 21:13.28 | JonJ | In fact, if you just type "grub2 boot iso" it will pretty much tell you how |
| 21:13.44 | JonJ | *type into google |
| 21:15.31 | brisingr | quick question, after a recent upgrade (sid) gnome seems to eat more memory than usual - almost 200M extra. what happened? (ignoring cached memory, all apps seem to use more- inhibit uses a staggering 18.5MiB, gnome-system-monitor over 20, gdm has 2 instances totalling almost 50 etc. etc.) |
| 21:15.48 | larry_ | Gnome team are nuts |
| 21:16.47 | verac | or pistachio |
| 21:16.53 | dimir | LULz |
| 21:18.07 | brisingr | thinking about switching, pity that some of the features are nicely integrated |
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| 21:31.22 | abrotman | deego: i don't think it is |
| 21:32.43 | vado | Why can't I find my Texas Instruments TAS3001C sound chip? http://pastebin.com/8ssUcydN LSHW http://pastebin.com/wSYWV5jg |
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| 21:35.31 | ArMo3 | Where on the CD is the kernel located? |
| 21:35.57 | evilt0ne | ho |
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| 21:37.32 | ArMo3 | no? |
| 21:37.46 | Argafal | hi, I was wondering about hot plugging support for SATA drives. Specifically I want to take out my CD drive and replace it by a harddrive, on the fly. could someone point me to a good resource to read about what I have to take care of for that? |
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| 21:39.23 | greycat | ArMo3: what are you actually asking, and why do you need to know? |
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| 21:41.14 | ArMo3 | greycat: I need to know the location of the kernel on the netinstall disk so I can boot it from grub. |
| 21:41.18 | ArMo3 | My CD drive is crippled |
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| 21:42.56 | greycat | googles "grub2 boot iso" so he can attempt to understand the question... |
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| 21:43.22 | greycat | it appears you need to know the FILE PATH of the bootable kernel file within the ISO file system, yes? not, for example, the CD sector number or some other nonsense? |
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| 21:43.28 | ArMo3 | linux (loop)/boot/grmlsmall/linux26 isofrom=/dev/sda1/grml/grml-small_2008.11.iso boot=live quiet vga=791 noeject noprompt |
| 21:43.33 | ArMo3 | That one ^ |
| 21:43.43 | ArMo3 | Yes |
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| 21:44.02 | greycat | Dunno. Mount it yourself and try to find one? |
| 21:44.10 | streuner | there is a #grml channel |
| 21:44.12 | ArMo3 | Yeah trying.. All failed |
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| 21:44.23 | ArMo3 | streuner: I'm not about GRML, |
| 21:44.30 | greycat | streuner: the examples on the page you get from google (7th result or so) just happen to have grml on them. |
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| 21:44.41 | greycat | he just assumed we all knew that, apparently. |
| 21:45.10 | streuner | nm, just switched to #d, i just listen to N24 about .eg |
| 21:46.11 | greycat | hmm, I just remembered, I actually do have an older squeeze net install iso |
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| 21:46.32 | ArMo3 | :/install.amd/vmlinux l) |
| 21:46.38 | ArMo3 | *z |
| 21:46.46 | pipeline | _jesse_: that's not good, sounds like card not working :( |
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| 21:47.27 | greycat | ArMo3: yup, that's what I found too |
| 21:47.39 | greycat | except mine's vmlinuz |
| 21:47.57 | ArMo3 | Well the *z |
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| 21:56.43 | kingsley | At least for me, bugs.debian.org is currently quite slow. |
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| 21:58.34 | streuner | tell news |
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| 21:59.24 | vado | Why can't I find my Texas Instruments TAS3001C sound chip? http://pastebin.com/8ssUcydN LSHW http://pastebin.com/wSYWV5jg |
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| 22:00.04 | greycat | retrace your steps? check under the sofa cushions? when did you last see it? |
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| 22:00.43 | kingsley | streuner: What's "news"? |
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| 22:01.13 | streuner | kingsley: its easy to critizses, but it much harder to make stuff |
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| 22:02.59 | streuner | vado: is that chip supported by ALSA or not? |
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| 22:04.15 | streuner | kingsley: (basically BTS work, but it need more time as usual) |
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| 22:05.03 | streuner | and, its a known problem... |
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| 22:10.28 | exes | hello, I'm using squeeze... so far so good, with the one exception of no openntpd. however if I want to modify LVMs, I've been using a Debian LiveCD... can I do it without media? perhaps by booting differently? |
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| 22:11.46 | yucatan | hello |
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| 22:11.57 | vado | streuner well it looks like it from the ancient postings I found on google, but somewhere between 2002 and now it seems to have disappeared |
| 22:12.25 | Iridos | vado, that should be supported by alsas snd-powermac, check if that is loaded with "lsmod", if not, try loading it with "modprobe snd-powermac" (and check dmesg before and after loading for new errors to appear) |
| 22:12.33 | streuner | vado: *cough* there is always an alternative *cough* OSS4 ;-) |
| 22:12.43 | yucatan | i use vmware for a while but i found out that there is a vmware workstation for linux is this cli based? or how does this works |
| 22:13.53 | Arrowmaster | exes: you might be interested in this http://michael-prokop.at/blog/2011/01/07/booting-iso-images-from-within-grub2/ |
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| 22:14.27 | streuner | vado: OSS4 supports almost all chipset, but you maybe have problems with plugins |
| 22:14.43 | exes | Arrowmaster: thank you, I'm reading it now. |
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| 22:15.04 | karmatronic | yeah! |
| 22:15.09 | deego | I did an "apt-show-versions |grep -v stable". I see packages like atlantik. When I try to purge them, it says Virtual packages like 'atlantik' can't be removed |
| 22:15.09 | deego | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.21 | deego | (How do I remove it then? ) |
| 22:16.08 | ArMo3 | So, I tried my both options (Boot the ISO from Grub2 and UNetBootin) but both freeze at the point where it fails to detect the CDRom image. Help! |
| 22:16.32 | deego | Or, is there a more proper way to run apt-show-versions where it does not show virtual packages? |
| 22:16.33 | ArMo3 | For others: I have my CD Drive crippled and need to install Debian without a CD drive. I'm trying those ^ . |
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| 22:16.56 | karmatronic | !stable |
| 22:16.56 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Squeeze (6.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 22:17.17 | karmatronic | !testing |
| 22:17.17 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
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| 22:19.03 | nsadmin | is WWW::Google::Contacts packaged for squeeze? |
| 22:19.18 | jhutchins | deego: What are you actually trying to do? |
| 22:19.43 | ArMo3 | I have my CD Drive crippled and need to install Debian without a CD drive. So, I tried my both options (Boot the ISO from Grub2 and UNetBootin) but both freeze at the point where it fails to detect the CDRom image. Help! |
| 22:19.59 | deego | jhutchins: to purge older packages, from woody, etc. |
| 22:20.01 | jhutchins | !patience |
| 22:20.01 | dpkg | The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. |
| 22:20.26 | ArMo3 | Just rephrased the question to make it more readable and easily understandable. |
| 22:20.51 | nsadmin | deego: if you have upgraded properly you won't have any older packages... what makes you think you do? |
| 22:20.57 | jhutchins | ArMo3: The unetbootin netinstall version shouldn't require an iso. |
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| 22:21.29 | jhutchins | deego: It's also probably better to use the release names rather than "stable". |
| 22:21.32 | _jesse_ | pipeline: :( |
| 22:21.32 | deego | nsadmin: I do have older packages. |
| 22:21.42 | deego | jhutchins: yes, I use -v squeeze |
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| 22:21.51 | jhutchins | deego: Perhaps aptitude would purge them? |
| 22:22.04 | Bushmills | ArMo3: any usb stick bootable linux, which has or allows you to install debootstrap, should do. |
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| 22:22.10 | mazdok | hi there |
| 22:22.19 | mazdok | do you know a channel about automake and autoconf |
| 22:22.19 | mazdok | ? |
| 22:22.23 | deego | jhutchins: Oh, I still use apt-get. |
| 22:22.27 | Bushmills | (assuming you machine can boot from usb flash) |
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| 22:22.48 | smacnay | Is pulse now the default sound server for gnome? Is it stable? |
| 22:22.50 | phox | pets cmake in mazdok's general direction |
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| 22:23.04 | mazdok | thx |
| 22:23.12 | deego | I mean, my question is: why is atlantik showing up as a virtual package on my system. And if it is, what is the way to purge it when it is not available from my sources.list? |
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| 22:23.38 | nsadmin | deego: under squeeze you should consider switching to aptitude |
| 22:23.42 | phox | cmake is kinda twisted too. yes, it ALSO targets MSVS and xcode =/ |
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| 22:24.43 | nsadmin | what's the cpan builder that considers deps? |
| 22:24.44 | deego | nsadmin: Regarding aptitude, I have another question. What is the way under aptitude to run "apt-get upgrade --purge". (Not talking of --purge-unused or of apt-get remove."). That is, looking for a --purge with aptitute. |
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| 22:25.00 | deego | I never found that out, so never able to switch till now. |
| 22:25.02 | jhutchins | smacnay: Some oaf has decided that pulseaudio should be installed by default on everything, even though it breaks more things than it fixes. |
| 22:25.19 | phox | most sound servers break more things than they fix |
| 22:25.38 | nsadmin | thinks jack instead of pulse |
| 22:25.47 | deego | That is, looking for a --purge when doing an "upgrade." |
| 22:25.51 | streuner | nsadmin: apt-cache search cpan? :-P |
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| 22:26.16 | nsadmin | iirc, there are two, one does not feed dep info to the package |
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| 22:27.03 | streuner | well, just ask "HE" about :-P |
| 22:27.18 | nsadmin | hoo hee? |
| 22:27.19 | jhutchins | deego: Generally a dist-upgrade/full-upgrade should remove packages that are superceded, but you might not want to loose a package just because it's not supported. I think that should be up to the user anyway. |
| 22:27.42 | streuner | nsadmin: some DD, who maint. cpan package builder... |
| 22:27.52 | deego | jhutchins: understood. |
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| 22:28.34 | streuner | nsadmin: if i have i problem about cpan i would just ask HE |
| 22:28.36 | nsadmin | let's see what the bot sez |
| 22:28.50 | smacnay | jhutchins, thanks for the tip - I removed it and haven't missed it but wondered if it was now necessary for robust sound support in Gnome |
| 22:28.56 | nsadmin | !perl policy |
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| 22:29.06 | streuner | nsadmin: forget the bot, its all PERL |
| 22:29.06 | nsadmin | !perl module |
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| 22:29.48 | nsadmin | is it bod that still maintains all that stuff? |
| 22:30.00 | streuner | haha |
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| 22:30.31 | nsadmin | , maint perl-base |
| 22:30.33 | judd | Package perl-base version 5.004.05-1.1 was uploaded by Raphael Hertzog on 1999-12-19, last changed by and maintained by Raphael Hertzog. (non-maintainer upload) |
| 22:30.53 | nsadmin | wow, ancient :) |
| 22:31.06 | nsadmin | , maint perl |
| 22:31.07 | judd | Package perl version 5.12.3-1 was uploaded by Niko Tyni on 2011-02-06, last changed by Niko Tyni and maintained by Niko Tyni. |
| 22:31.51 | streuner | dpkg, info dh-make-perl |
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| 22:32.17 | dpkg | dh-make-perl: (helper for creating Debian packages from perl modules), section perl, is optional. Version: 0.71-1 (sid), Packaged size: 158 kB, Installed size: 408 kB |
| 22:32.23 | streuner | , maint dh-make-perl |
| 22:32.26 | judd | Package dh-make-perl version 0.71-1 was uploaded by Damyan Ivanov on 2010-12-28, last changed by Damyan Ivanov and maintained by Debian Perl Group. |
| 22:32.39 | streuner | hm, a new DD |
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| 22:33.09 | ion_ | hi what's the pastbin url ? |
| 22:33.17 | streuner | dpkg, paste |
| 22:33.17 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 22:33.29 | nsadmin | just use pastebinit and it figures that out :) |
| 22:34.25 | ion_ | anyone can help me out, please : http://paste.debian.net/107230/ |
| 22:35.17 | Bushmills | ion_: ask in channel, provide required information in pastebin |
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| 22:35.52 | ion_ | Bushmills: what ? |
| 22:35.59 | deego | ion_: squeeze's volatile is now called squeeze-updates. See release notes. |
| 22:36.29 | ion_ | deego: is not good the change no you mean ? |
| 22:36.36 | Bushmills | ion_: i'm not going to open every pasted link only to find out that the posters' problems are |
| 22:36.40 | deego | ion_: ? |
| 22:36.44 | Bushmills | what the posters' ... |
| 22:37.47 | nkuttler | heh. apt-get again, not aptitude.. |
| 22:37.50 | deego | ion_: deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian squeeze-updates main contrib |
| 22:37.50 | deego | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:37.55 | ion_ | Bushmills: update from lenny to squeeze |
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| 22:41.04 | Iridos | what was the replacement for xterm with ... utf8 support? |
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| 22:41.31 | nkuttler | Iridos: various. i like rxvt |
| 22:41.34 | Iridos | wxterm? uxterm? |
| 22:41.59 | Iridos | oh, uxterm it was |
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| 22:43.34 | Iridos | nkuttler, I still find character encoding rather confusing, though |
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| 22:45.53 | Iridos | nkuttler, is there a specific advantage of rxvt over uxterm? |
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| 22:52.42 | MrFrood | Iridos: although I use urxvt if you start xterm with the 'uxterm' wrapper it supports utf8 |
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| 22:53.21 | JonSparks | Hey, I neede help enabling the ppp module in my kernel. |
| 22:53.25 | JonSparks | I have a VPS. |
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| 22:53.44 | jhutchins | ppp |
| 22:53.49 | jordanm | JonSparks: if its a VZ container, you don't have access to the kernel |
| 22:54.00 | jhutchins | ppp is in the debian kernels. |
| 22:54.04 | JonSparks | Is there any way I can get a VPN server running then? |
| 22:54.08 | JonSparks | Other than ppp? |
| 22:54.27 | jordanm | JonSparks: openvpn, but that require tun/tap support. if you are on a VZ container, probably not |
| 22:54.39 | jordanm | next time buy xen :) |
| 22:54.42 | JonSparks | It's worth a try I guess. |
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| 22:58.10 | aLemmer | I'm using Debian 6 and I'm having troubles with sound. My chipset is ALC883. It's an nVidia HDA MCP55. |
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| 22:58.26 | aLemmer | Er, MP51. |
| 22:58.38 | aLemmer | I can't play any audio. |
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| 23:00.01 | aLemmer | Hello? |
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| 23:01.47 | jhutchins | aLemmer: Try removing pulseaudio |
| 23:02.09 | aLemmer | >.> And re-installing? |
| 23:02.55 | Bushmills | aLemmer: does lspci -k show any module associated with your audio device? |
| 23:02.59 | Iridos | what character encoding is used with LANG=C? |
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| 23:03.36 | yucatan | hello |
| 23:03.50 | aLemmer | Bushmills: yeah. |
| 23:04.10 | aLemmer | 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
| 23:04.10 | aLemmer | Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 829e |
| 23:04.10 | aLemmer | Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel |
| 23:04.11 | JonSparks | So is there any way I can get a VPN other and OpenVPN and ppp? |
| 23:04.22 | JonSparks | l2tp maybe? |
| 23:04.30 | Bushmills | that's good. does a mixer give you sliders for volume levels? |
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| 23:04.38 | aLemmer | Bushmills: yes. |
| 23:05.03 | Bushmills | you happened to pull those up? |
| 23:05.10 | aLemmer | Bushmills I'm looking at the Alsa mixer now. |
| 23:05.15 | aLemmer | Bushmills: yes. |
| 23:05.32 | yucatan | i use vmware for a while but i found out that there is a vmware workstation for linux is this cli based? or how does this works |
| 23:05.50 | Bushmills | try both with and without headphones plugged in |
| 23:06.10 | aLemmer | Bushmills: besides obvious symptoms like audio not working inside the browser without error, Rhythmbox gives me import errors and stream switching errors when it tries to play a song. |
| 23:06.11 | aLemmer | Okay. |
| 23:06.13 | twinkie_addict | i had to reboot to get my sound to work after installing alsa-utils and make sure your in the audio group |
| 23:06.22 | Bushmills | (only if it's a notebook, with internal speakers) |
| 23:06.29 | JonSparks | If I can't get VPN, is there any way I can run a socks proxy server? |
| 23:06.44 | JonSparks | That doesnt require me to ssh in from the device? |
| 23:06.46 | ArMo3 | I'm trying to install debian but I don't have a CD drive. I'm using UNetBootin |
| 23:07.03 | Bushmills | JonSparks: dante, but that's supposedly renamed now. |
| 23:07.07 | twinkie_addict | im on a netbook with internal speakers :) |
| 23:07.14 | JonSparks | Bushmills: To what? |
| 23:07.18 | ArMo3 | It will go fine but when it has to "Detect and Mount CD-ROM", it can't do that. I tried my flash drive as well as my hard drivfe. |
| 23:07.27 | aLemmer | Headphones didn't help. |
| 23:07.30 | Bushmills | JonSparks: i forgot |
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| 23:07.35 | JonSparks | lol |
| 23:07.52 | aLemmer | Bushmills headphones didn't help and I'm in the audio group. |
| 23:08.03 | quuxman | So I use mplayer to play music, and it works great... has seeking and plays every format I throw at it. But just now I noticed seeking isn't working with plain audio files. Anybody know what's up? |
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| 23:09.09 | Bushmills | aLemmer: try some raw audio source, like cp /dev/urandom /dev/audio |
| 23:10.02 | Bushmills | alternatively, speaker-test |
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| 23:10.28 | aLemmer | Bushmills: want me to paste the results of speaker-test? |
| 23:10.45 | JonSparks | Bushmills: Would an older version of dante work on Lenny. |
| 23:10.47 | JonSparks | ? |
| 23:10.51 | Bushmills | if it's repetitive, a single line would probably do |
| 23:11.04 | aLemmer | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1018:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 23:11.04 | aLemmer | Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory |
| 23:11.08 | Bushmills | JonSparks: i'd say so, yes. |
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| 23:11.50 | Bushmills | seem that squeeze still knows it as dante |
| 23:11.59 | Bushmills | ,versions dante-server |
| 23:12.01 | judd | Package dante-server on i386 -- sid: 1.1.19.dfsg-3+b2; squeeze: 1.1.19.dfsg-3+b2; wheezy: 1.1.19.dfsg-3+b2; experimental: 1.2.2+dfsg-3 |
| 23:12.22 | Bushmills | ehm. no lenny ... |
| 23:12.33 | JonSparks | hmm |
| 23:12.47 | JonSparks | So I can;t use it? |
| 23:12.56 | Bushmills | check backports |
| 23:13.05 | JonSparks | ok |
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| 23:13.33 | aLemmer | Bushmills: any ideas? |
| 23:14.01 | Bushmills | aLemmer: no, not really. |
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| 23:15.43 | JonSparks | Would Squid work? |
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| 23:18.18 | Bushmills | JonSparks: as http proxy, yes. as socks proxy, no |
| 23:18.31 | JonSparks | Ah |
| 23:18.42 | JonSparks | So I can;t use anything as a socks or vpn? |
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| 23:19.13 | Bushmills | for vpn are several choices. many of them tun/tap based. |
| 23:19.40 | JonSparks | Anything thats not tun/tap based? |
| 23:19.41 | Bushmills | some use ssh port forwarding |
| 23:20.34 | JonSparks | I need something to use on my iPod, I can;t ssh tunnel. |
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| 23:21.40 | sacredchao | I just tried to start installing sqeeze, but I want to use encryption with dm-crypt and it doesn't seem d-i has an option for XTS mode |
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| 23:22.08 | sacredchao | I would like to use XTS mode for the disk encryption with dm-crypt/LUKS, not CBC mode.... |
| 23:22.17 | sacredchao | Was this option taken out of d-i? |
| 23:23.21 | Bushmills | JonSparks: you could upgrade server to stable, and install dante from debian repository |
| 23:23.30 | JonSparks | Upgrade to what> |
| 23:23.43 | Bushmills | !squeeze |
| 23:23.43 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 23:23.55 | JonSparks | Ah ok |
| 23:24.04 | JonSparks | I'll contact my host and ask them to do it |
| 23:24.15 | JonSparks | Or can I upgrade from my server? |
| 23:25.00 | Bushmills | depends. do you have an alternate boot, sometimes called "rescue system"? |
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| 23:25.15 | JonSparks | I don't think so |
| 23:25.43 | Bushmills | does your VPS run its own kernel? |
| 23:25.48 | JonSparks | no |
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| 23:26.19 | Bushmills | i'd say you need provider collaboration |
| 23:26.22 | JonSparks | ok |
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| 23:26.49 | JonSparks | I'll get them to do it then. |
| 23:26.52 | JonSparks | I have to go now. |
| 23:27.09 | JonSparks | See ya |
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| 23:27.15 | Bushmills | gl |
| 23:27.49 | aLemmer | Bushmills: I just thought of something. |
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| 23:28.00 | aLemmer | Bushmills: I think another device may be selected as the default. |
| 23:28.21 | aLemmer | Yeah, "asound" says "USB-Audio," which is actually my microphone, is my default device. |
| 23:28.28 | aLemmer | Bushmills: how do I switch default devices? |
| 23:28.43 | Bushmills | aLemmer: i forgot |
| 23:28.50 | sanooj | what's the #MINVER# in the symbols diff created by dpkg-gensymbols? I haven't found a good reference for the format of the symbols file. |
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| 23:30.16 | sacredchao | Wow maybe d-i doesn't support xts mode at all |
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| 23:30.48 | sanooj | aLemmer: try creating a ~/.asoundrc file. http://alsa.opensrc.org/.asoundrc#Default_PCM_device |
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| 23:31.39 | sanooj | random advice based on partial context :) ^ |
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| 23:33.06 | sanooj | ah. man deb-symbols(5) sorts me out. |
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| 23:54.51 | luichi | hello |
| 23:56.42 | yucatan | i use vmware for a while but i found out that there is a vmware workstation for linux is this cli based? or how does this works |
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| 23:57.24 | luichi | how can i do netinst from an usb? |
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| 23:58.36 | Knorrie | luichi: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
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