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| 00:01.52 | geekie | ok thanks... this is all so hard. I just want a nice server not spend hours in and hours out trying to actually do stuff -_- |
| 00:02.32 | daemonkeeper | Get someone who does this kind of stuff for you |
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| 00:03.37 | xyan | raises hand |
| 00:03.58 | cast | suggests a {over,under}weight friend, evidence suggests they're best at these kind of things |
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| 00:04.50 | xyan | hehe |
| 00:04.56 | elraven | geekie... it takes alittle time don't be so hard on yourself |
| 00:05.14 | geekie | elraven: well, I don't want to be a serveradmin, I just wanna code :P |
| 00:05.30 | daemonkeeper | fears people having servers but no clue |
| 00:05.32 | cast | it takes a shittonne of time to learn enough to setup a 'nice' server setup |
| 00:05.51 | geekie | Sure, that's correct. Until you need to maintain it :P |
| 00:05.55 | geekie | It ALWAYS breaks -_- |
| 00:06.57 | daemonkeeper | Worse, you are a danger for people like me, being annoyed every once in a while by servers like yours, going wild/being rooted/hosting a botnet drone/spamming my inbox. |
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| 00:07.33 | cast | to be fair his server is not much more of a risk than the average desktop, in the age of high speed always on net |
| 00:07.42 | geekie | daemonkeeper: haha, I would never do that |
| 00:08.01 | geekie | ooh you mean the server would, perhaps yeah |
| 00:08.02 | daemonkeeper | You not, the bad guy taking over your server will |
| 00:08.30 | cast | why are we painted the educated individual in that scenario as the bad guy! |
| 00:08.33 | geekie | The thing is, you can't expect everyone to be born security experts or afford to pay one |
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| 00:08.53 | yucatan | hello guys i have installed munin to monitor my network traffic |
| 00:08.57 | elraven | i'd suggest the apache server then.... :) |
| 00:09.04 | yucatan | but in my /var/www my folder munin is emty... |
| 00:09.20 | daemonkeeper | geekie: Why? I can also assume only people knowing to drive, actually drive a car. This is at least what I hope when going along the street. |
| 00:09.24 | cast | yucatan: anything in /var/cache/munin? |
| 00:09.30 | yucatan | sec i check |
| 00:09.39 | geekie | daemonkeeper: there's a huuge difference on that. |
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| 00:09.48 | daemonkeeper | geekie: No it is not. |
| 00:09.50 | cast | might be munin*, i forget |
| 00:10.04 | yucatan | that folder dont exsist |
| 00:10.04 | geekie | you're saying I shoul dtsay off php because I'm not a linuxexpert :P |
| 00:10.05 | yucatan | cast |
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| 00:10.23 | cast | yucatan: do a search in /var for munin, it's in there somewhere |
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| 00:10.25 | daemonkeeper | geekie: I say you should hire one who does for you or get a managed server. |
| 00:10.35 | yucatan | yeah i have a /var/munin |
| 00:10.38 | yucatan | but its emty |
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| 00:11.14 | themill | dpkg: tell linuxdude21 about root |
| 00:11.19 | yucatan | nevermind all the files are created now |
| 00:11.33 | yucatan | it just taked some time thanks |
| 00:11.35 | geekie | daemonkeeper: I just had a client who refused to pay, I'm trying to fix up a site that uses namespaces, I'm on a tight deadline and I have bills to pay, I can't afford to hire someone or get a managed server so I, as many others, have to try this on my own and it's just so tricky :[ |
| 00:12.08 | cast | it must be hard to run a business without the skills neccessary ;P |
| 00:12.22 | daemonkeeper | geekie: Never mind, I get my money from other people being targeted by your server :p |
| 00:12.31 | cast | you could probably pay someone here 50/hr to sort out your server |
| 00:12.49 | geekie | daemonkeeper: this is a development server, I would never have one actually connectted to /world that I don't know how to secure |
| 00:12.52 | geekie | -_^ |
| 00:13.45 | daemonkeeper | geekie: Oh, no server in the Internet? |
| 00:15.11 | geekie | I connect it to Internet when I need it but mostly I run it offline |
| 00:15.55 | daemonkeeper | Ok, then I'm fine if you run it without clue. Mostly. |
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| 00:17.59 | geekie | I just got annoyed and you happened to be here to take my anger, thanks :p |
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| 00:18.38 | geekie | I just wanna code and then this gets in between and will take away hours and I can't afford to pay someone so I'll just stay up all night so I should probably part here before I scream :x |
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| 00:19.05 | ariaxu | geekie, I hope the pay's worth it. If the client refuses to pay you shouldn't be doing the work |
| 00:19.51 | themill | suspects that geekie would be half way through lenny->squeeze by now if he'd just got on with it |
| 00:20.02 | elraven | don't let them bother you geekie ,they are just hanking your chain.. |
| 00:20.23 | elraven | or yanking your chain ... |
| 00:20.33 | geekie | ariaxu: I had another that refused to pay |
| 00:20.44 | geekie | now I have a new one that has already paid a part |
| 00:20.49 | ariaxu | hanking, n. "To use as a handkerchief." |
| 00:21.10 | geekie | themill: and I'm a she btw -_^ |
| 00:21.16 | jhutchins2 | Also a term used in ropemaking. |
| 00:21.32 | daemonkeeper | a she? Sou you are the female quota! |
| 00:21.39 | ariaxu | looks for a piece of rope to hank with |
| 00:21.56 | jhutchins2 | Try a hank of yarn. |
| 00:22.17 | geekie | Anyway I will try this squeeze thingy :) |
| 00:22.29 | geekie | Tomorrow, after I calmed down a bit, getting kinda late |
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| 00:28.21 | kisisten | anyone playing ut on squeeze? |
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| 00:29.37 | geekie | fixed it ;D |
| 00:29.54 | geekie | Now I can sleep nn, thanks for listening to my rage ;) |
| 00:30.06 | elraven | way to go geekie :) |
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| 00:30.39 | jhutchins2 | geekie: Care to share how? |
| 00:30.57 | yucatan | can i configure ssh server that i only can connect to the server from 10 different ip adressen? |
| 00:31.17 | jhutchins2 | yucatan: Yes. |
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| 00:31.24 | yucatan | k thanks |
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| 00:31.36 | themill | yucatan: man 5 hosts.allow |
| 00:31.46 | ariaxu | yucatan, either use iptables to restrict access to port 22 or use hosts.allow |
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| 00:32.31 | cast | geekie: 50$/hr isn't so bad...given a few people here would nominate that you donate it to debian, it would be tax write off |
| 00:32.53 | ZykoticK9 | pw |
| 00:32.53 | ariaxu | way to go geekie :) |
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| 00:34.34 | adac | libmagick9-dev would install also the x server... but i cannot do that? any ideas? |
| 00:35.18 | vede | Is there a screen recorder available for Debian that's able to record specific windows or regions of the screen? My favorite screen recorder is xvidcap, but it's old and unmaintained, and barely works anymore. |
| 00:36.00 | vede | gtk-recordmydesktop is okay, but is a victim of this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=600876 |
| 00:36.05 | vede | Which renders it basically unusable. |
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| 00:36.18 | ariaxu | vede: did you try Istanbul? |
| 00:36.31 | vede | Heh, I was getting to that. |
| 00:36.46 | ariaxu | vede: Last time I tried it it was a bit flaky |
| 00:36.54 | ariaxu | Let me poke around and see what I can find |
| 00:37.01 | vede | Yes, I have, but it hangs when I try to record anything, and I have to kill it. |
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| 00:38.16 | ariaxu | I think mplayer can do it too if you don't need a fancy UI |
| 00:38.48 | vede | Can it record specific windows or regions of the screen? |
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| 00:39.04 | ariaxu | doubt it |
| 00:39.10 | ariaxu | you and your pesky requirements |
| 00:39.35 | vede | I know. :( |
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| 00:40.48 | ariaxu | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.58 | ariaxu | again, no region select |
| 00:41.08 | vede | I really just wish someone would pick up xvidcap. It was great. |
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| 00:41.28 | ariaxu | oh wait, you can just record a specific window with ffmpeg |
| 00:43.50 | cast | you could crop it easily enough |
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| 00:54.41 | dvs | Are all the new installs over? |
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| 00:55.12 | stew | ¿que? |
| 00:55.40 | dvs | it's too quiet after a new release |
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| 00:56.35 | stew | nah |
| 00:57.04 | amphi | you mean, squeeze works too well? ;) |
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| 00:57.10 | dvs | o_O |
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| 00:58.09 | vede | I had lots of trouble. |
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| 00:59.49 | dvs | the only problem I had was (is) courier |
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| 01:00.07 | jhutchins2 | The typeface? |
| 01:00.25 | dvs | the mail program |
| 01:00.47 | jhutchins2 | Oh. dovecot. |
| 01:01.13 | jhutchins2 | I was happy with imapd but dovecot does scale better. |
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| 01:01.56 | vede | Well, I guess not lots. |
| 01:02.02 | vede | But there was some swearing. |
| 01:02.28 | dvs | I'm not picky, as long as I can get a secure connection |
| 01:02.35 | vede | And now I'm pretty sure all my packages are broken or will become broken very soon. |
| 01:03.09 | vede | Is there some way to install the version of all installed packages available from the current repositories selected, even if it means downgrading? |
| 01:03.12 | dvs | well, not uwimap |
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| 01:03.58 | vede | So for example, if I have a smattering of packages from stable, unstable, and testing, could I tell apt to make everything go back to the version in stable? |
| 01:04.51 | dvs | vede: no |
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| 01:19.18 | Wickedspawn | uh.... why doesn't the default background show up in the list of backgrounds on the theme manager? |
| 01:19.44 | Wickedspawn | ugh nvm, it does, im just blind |
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| 01:23.16 | tharkun | ok gentlemen i tried to upgrade the apt file for some reason sasl2 got broken how can i revert the libc-bin file? |
| 01:24.07 | tharkun | ,versions libc-bin |
| 01:24.09 | judd | Package libc-bin on i386 -- squeeze-security: 2.11.2-6+squeeze1; squeeze: 2.11.2-10; wheezy: 2.11.2-10; sid: 2.11.2-11 |
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| 01:54.47 | sylar | what should I do in order to see mkv movies ? |
| 01:55.05 | cast | i'd try mplayer, with dmm if it doesn't work with main |
| 01:55.29 | sylar | currently it takes 100% cpu and is not displaying very well |
| 01:55.47 | daemonkeeper | Which codec? H264? |
| 01:56.05 | sylar | I don't know |
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| 01:56.18 | sylar | how to find out? |
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| 01:56.27 | sylar | cast, what package is dmm? |
| 01:56.35 | daemonkeeper | !debian multimedia |
| 01:56.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dmm is Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm ... |
| 01:57.30 | daemonkeeper | MKV is a container format. Most likely you do. In any case you won't get such a good performance unless you use acceleration provided by your video graphics adapter |
| 01:57.41 | daemonkeeper | (if it does) |
| 01:58.08 | sylar | I have a good video card |
| 01:58.15 | sylar | i don't knwo if it is used |
| 01:58.22 | daemonkeeper | Which one? |
| 01:58.54 | sylar | some ati with 64mb |
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| 02:00.17 | daemonkeeper | *g* That's probably not "good" but "ok". Find out whether it supports ATI's equivalent of CUDA and if there are display drivers for your video player supporting this. |
| 02:00.36 | daemonkeeper | If it does you can offload video decoding to your VGA |
| 02:00.49 | plucas | Hi - I had 'aptitude safe-upgrade' going when I lost my ssh connection (wasn't using screen atm) - I reconnected and the aptitude and child processes are still running, waiting on one of the blue-screen configuration windows. Can I attach the process to a new shell, or would killing it and restarting the upgrade not be too bad? |
| 02:00.56 | `Assassin | I have a system wide problem with viewing .svg files except in web browsers. I use Debian Squeeze. How do I fix this? |
| 02:01.00 | cast | he's a time traveller from 2002, who has bought his video card through the time rift |
| 02:02.24 | sylar | ops I didn't notice that debian released a new stable version :/ |
| 02:03.31 | sylar | anyway dmm minimum is stabel |
| 02:03.55 | daemonkeeper | plucas: You can't attach unless you used screen. You can safely resume the process by calling it again. |
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| 02:06.09 | daemonkeeper | plucas: Chances are you have to do "aptitude -f install" instead |
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| 02:06.51 | plucas | daemonkeeper: I'll try it, thanks |
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| 02:07.09 | sylar | how do I find out which codec the video need? |
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| 02:07.58 | plucas | daemonkeeper: hm - killing aptitude didn't kill dpkg |
| 02:08.19 | daemonkeeper | plucas: kill that too and every client process involved |
| 02:08.46 | daemonkeeper | sylar: Try mkvinfo |
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| 02:09.37 | plucas | daemonkeeper: actually after doing so and rerunning aptitude, since the lockfile was still extant, it had me call dkpg --configure -a which seems to have resumed nicely from where it left. |
| 02:09.53 | daemonkeeper | Yup, that is ok too |
| 02:10.29 | daemonkeeper | sylar: But as cast said, your computer is likely too old to decode high resolution MKV containers containing h264 or so |
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| 02:19.54 | queso | TrueCrypt looks like something I'd like to try but noticed it's not packaged in debian. Are there alternative encryption solutions of similar quality already packaged that I could try? |
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| 02:23.10 | daemonkeeper | Sorry, not in similar quality, only much better. |
| 02:23.35 | daemonkeeper | LUKS is the way to go. |
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| 02:24.25 | Jarvis | !hwid 00:40:63 |
| 02:24.38 | queso | daemonkeeper: Why is LUKS better? |
| 02:24.39 | Jarvis | umm anyone know the command to look up hardware id's |
| 02:24.52 | Jarvis | s/hw/vendor |
| 02:24.55 | daemonkeeper | judd: pciiid 00:40:63 |
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| 02:25.14 | Jarvis | judd: pciid 00:40:63 |
| 02:25.21 | Jarvis | cheers daemonkeeper |
| 02:25.24 | daemonkeeper | This is no PCI ID, isn't it |
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| 02:26.05 | daemonkeeper | queso: LUKS is free and open. |
| 02:26.44 | queso | daemonkeeper: ooh, I just found where it says on the TrueCrypt wikipedia entry that there's a problem with the TrueCrypt license. |
| 02:27.06 | Jarvis | daemonkeeper: no it wasnt but it gave me the info i was after :) |
| 02:29.15 | sylar | the codec is avc |
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| 02:38.36 | JasonWoof | recently in unstable: gnome-terminal's right-click -> Open Link thing has been calling chromium instead of the browser I've set under System -> Preferences -> Preferred Applications |
| 02:38.46 | JasonWoof | Is this a known issue? do other people have this too? |
| 02:39.18 | JasonWoof | gnome-open does the same thing |
| 02:39.39 | JasonWoof | though, maybe it always did |
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| 03:06.55 | hidensoft | hi every body |
| 03:07.24 | hidensoft | im new in debian , debian 6.0 squeez installed today |
| 03:07.53 | hidensoft | i can't connect to wireless network via network-manager |
| 03:08.01 | hidensoft | please help me |
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| 03:10.15 | hidensoft | anything ? |
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| 03:13.44 | thepro4ever | whats a good game to install on debian?? |
| 03:13.55 | thepro4ever | that i can install with apt-get |
| 03:14.11 | flypiper | hidensoft, is wireless your only connection? |
| 03:14.18 | buntunub | there are hundreds.. take ur pick |
| 03:14.29 | hidensoft | yes |
| 03:14.43 | flypiper | what card do you have? |
| 03:15.09 | flypiper | hidensoft, what card do you have? |
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| 03:15.42 | hidensoft | Atheros AR5001 wireless network |
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| 03:17.58 | JasonWoof | hidensoft: when you right-click the network icon in the system tray, do you get a (non greyed) checked box for "Enable Wireless"? |
| 03:18.37 | Faustus | hi all |
| 03:18.49 | hidensoft | Enable wireless have a tick |
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| 03:19.43 | JasonWoof | hidensoft: good sign, so what next, do you see networks when you left-click it? |
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| 03:22.01 | hidensoft | when i click it , below WIRELESS NETWORKS is this text "device not managed" |
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| 03:27.58 | hidensoft | no idea? |
| 03:28.27 | JasonWoof | hidensoft: this is a totally fresh install right? |
| 03:28.49 | hidensoft | yes |
| 03:29.02 | jwshields | I have a question, where can I go for support for BOPM? |
| 03:30.04 | JasonWoof | hidensoft: do you have a keyboard shortcut to disable wireless? I recently upgraded my lemote laptop from gnewsense to debian unstable (just before squeeze release, so it's basically the same software you'vegot) and since that release, I've had to enable the wireless card with fn+f4 or some such after each boot |
| 03:30.34 | JasonWoof | hidensoft: so that's one possibility. alternatively, it could be that NM for some reason thinks it shouldn't mess with the device |
| 03:31.16 | JasonWoof | hidensoft: you could search for NetworkManager in /var/log/syslog, and see if that says something useful |
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| 03:31.34 | mongrol | hiden: look in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManger.conf and see that managed=true |
| 03:31.44 | mongrol | default is false |
| 03:31.58 | mongrol | and NM will gladly ignore everything you do :) |
| 03:32.12 | JasonWoof | mine says false and works fine |
| 03:32.33 | mongrol | you need to set true if your device is in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:32.52 | hidensoft | mongrol, i have no file in that directory ! |
| 03:32.56 | NuxRo | hi, anyone using kernels from liquorix.net could tell me what is the difference between kernels named "dmz" and the others? |
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| 03:33.15 | mongrol | http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager |
| 03:33.34 | JasonWoof | hidensoft: that should be a file, not a directory |
| 03:34.58 | hidensoft | JasonWoof , in etc directory i just have 3 folder with name network , networks, news |
| 03:35.13 | mongrol | Network |
| 03:35.15 | mongrol | not network |
| 03:35.27 | mongrol | /etc/NetworkManager/ |
| 03:35.49 | hidensoft | mongrol, my folder is network not Network |
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| 03:36.01 | hidensoft | i don't have this directory :( |
| 03:36.02 | JasonWoof | hidensoft: there's two. |
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| 03:36.11 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 03:36.16 | JasonWoof | hidensoft: there's a _file_ /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:36.28 | JasonWoof | hidensoft: you'll probably want to remove your wireless card from being mentioned in that file |
| 03:36.33 | lenswipe | i have multiple monitors setup on debian, but i cant move applications between displays |
| 03:36.52 | lenswipe | how do i enable this? |
| 03:36.58 | hidensoft | i have this /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:37.05 | JasonWoof | hidensoft: or edit /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf to say managed=yes |
| 03:37.59 | JasonWoof | lenswipe: does gnome-display-properties see them all? |
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| 03:38.45 | computer13137 | Anybody know how to check if an installed apt package is 32 or 64-bit? |
| 03:38.46 | lenswipe | JasonWoof, oh, they work fine and they act as seperate monitors, i can even move the mouse between them, i just cant move apps between em |
| 03:38.48 | JasonWoof | hidensoft: you can run this command to see the device names of your network devices: ifconfig -a |
| 03:38.54 | computer13137 | The reason I ask is we're on a 64-bit system, trying to make a 30TB filesystem in JFS, and we're hitting the 32-bit 16TB limit... |
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| 03:39.24 | lenswipe | Commander1024, 30TB....!? holy f*** |
| 03:39.28 | hidensoft | JasonWoof, i cant find this file "/etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf" , actually i don't have NetworkManager folder in etc directory |
| 03:39.30 | JasonWoof | lenswipe: weird! so if you hang a window off the edge you don't see the rest on the other monitor? |
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| 03:39.33 | computer13137 | lenswipe, yes. |
| 03:39.36 | computer13137 | lenswipe, 30TB. |
| 03:39.45 | computer13137 | It's a 4u rack server with all hdds in the front. |
| 03:39.51 | lenswipe | JasonWoof, if i try to drag a window off the edge, it just stops at the edge |
| 03:40.07 | Strife89 | is attempting to save a YouTube video for reference purposes, but keeps running into roadblocks. |
| 03:40.10 | lenswipe | JasonWoof, but the mouse can freely move between displays |
| 03:40.11 | JasonWoof | hidensoft: you have network-manager installed? |
| 03:40.18 | lenswipe | JasonWoof, is this normal behaviour? |
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| 03:40.25 | Strife89 | One tool that requires Java, for instance, isn't seeing my current setup |
| 03:40.27 | Commander1024 | computer13137, wow, there must fit quite some huge amount of porn onto 30 TB :D |
| 03:40.29 | computer13137 | lenswipe, we actually had a filesystem on it before...but it was less than 16TB. We backed up our 15TB of stuff, were going to switch from JFS to ext4, but encountered the 32-bit 16TB limit. |
| 03:40.34 | Codingk | Will Debian use Gnome 3.0? |
| 03:40.36 | Strife89 | Any suggestions? |
| 03:40.36 | computer13137 | Now we're trying jfs and that's not working either. |
| 03:40.38 | Codingk | This is infamous for its shell |
| 03:40.41 | computer13137 | I thought jfs was a 64-bit filesystem... |
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| 03:40.45 | hidensoft | JasonWoof, how i can know is installed ? |
| 03:40.46 | Codingk | Or will it move to Unity |
| 03:40.47 | Codingk | Like ubuntu |
| 03:40.58 | lenswipe | Commander1024, thats what i was thinking |
| 03:41.05 | Codingk | ok. |
| 03:41.08 | JasonWoof | hidensoft: dpkg --listfiles network-manager |
| 03:41.09 | computer13137 | lenswipe, Commander1024, it's not my server. it's my friend's. |
| 03:41.13 | buntunub | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.13 | Commander1024 | ext4 has a practical 16TB limit? |
| 03:41.23 | computer13137 | Commander1024, only on 32-bit systems. |
| 03:41.31 | computer13137 | Because it's a 32-bit thing not an ext4 thing. |
| 03:41.34 | computer13137 | We're on a 64-bit system. |
| 03:41.37 | Commander1024 | yes, I see, but you are on 64 bit? |
| 03:41.40 | computer13137 | buntunub, ZFS is a resource hog. |
| 03:41.47 | Commander1024 | ok |
| 03:41.49 | computer13137 | Commander1024, yes. uname -a shows x86_64. |
| 03:41.51 | JasonWoof | lenswipe: I don't know a lot about this. Have you tried both with and without compiz? (desktop effects) |
| 03:41.54 | computer13137 | It's actually a Ubuntu system. |
| 03:41.56 | lenswipe | JasonWoof, yeah |
| 03:41.57 | Faustus | . |
| 03:42.12 | computer13137 | But I find I get better answers in #debian. |
| 03:42.18 | Commander1024 | but whats the problem then? you can't create it bigger than 16TB? |
| 03:42.34 | computer13137 | Commander1024, yes. when we do we get i\o errors when attempting to copy data. |
| 03:42.53 | computer13137 | We think the jfs_commit application is having problems... |
| 03:42.54 | Commander1024 | outch, fail |
| 03:43.03 | buntunub | XFS is 64-bit able to scale up to 16 tebibytes |
| 03:43.03 | computer13137 | We think it might be running as 32-bit. or something along those lines... |
| 03:43.19 | JasonWoof | Strife89: git clone https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl.git |
| 03:43.26 | computer13137 | buntunub, supposedly xfs is a high maintenance filesystem... |
| 03:43.31 | hidensoft | JasonWoof, yeah i see the network manager and i did edit NetworkManager.cong and set the managed to true |
| 03:43.39 | Commander1024 | but xfs has quite some problems when a) handling huge loads of small files and b) handling enormous files |
| 03:43.47 | hidensoft | now , i need to restart system ? |
| 03:44.02 | lenswipe | computer13137, tried ZFS? |
| 03:44.20 | JasonWoof | hidensoft: this should do it: /etc/init.d/network-manager restart |
| 03:44.29 | computer13137 | lenswipe, no, we're more concerned with the memory footprint with zfs. Server only has 4GB of ram. |
| 03:44.36 | JasonWoof | hidensoft: if that doesn't work, try doing it again after this: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 03:44.41 | Strife89 | JasonWoof: 404 |
| 03:44.41 | buntunub | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFS |
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| 03:44.58 | spersaud | how do I get a nice console font ? |
| 03:45.05 | Strife89 | JasonWoof: Or 500 rather |
| 03:45.08 | JasonWoof | Strife89: don't click it, execute the command |
| 03:45.18 | Strife89 | 500 from executing |
| 03:45.21 | hidensoft | JasonWoof , thanks for anything , its work now |
| 03:45.36 | spersaud | I tried console-setup |
| 03:45.39 | lenswipe | spersaud, Edit > Current profile or sth like that |
| 03:45.40 | hidensoft | mongrol, thanks |
| 03:45.47 | lenswipe | JasonWoof, any ideas about my extended desktop issues? |
| 03:46.03 | spersaud | lenswipe: ?? current profile ? |
| 03:46.09 | JasonWoof | Strife89: guess, you could download it from here: https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl/raw/master/youtube-dl |
| 03:46.13 | lenswipe | spersaud, lemme fire up terminal and ill tell you |
| 03:46.14 | spersaud | lenswipe: shit like that ? |
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| 03:46.25 | JasonWoof | Strife89: you'll need to stick that in a text file and make it executable, etc |
| 03:46.26 | hidensoft | JasonWoof, your a box of good things!:D |
| 03:46.29 | spersaud | lenswipe: not that console ... |
| 03:46.44 | lenswipe | spersaud, right click on the terminal window and click....ah right you mean the tty consoles? |
| 03:46.46 | spersaud | the default is nice but its soo small |
| 03:47.14 | JasonWoof | Strife89: glad it worked. Is your wireless device called eth0 or something? |
| 03:47.40 | JasonWoof | Strife89: oops, sorry, that was meant for hidensoft |
| 03:47.46 | Strife89 | JasonWoof: Beg pardo-- Ah. :) |
| 03:47.53 | JasonWoof | hidensoft: glad it worked. Is your wireless device called eth0 or something? |
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| 03:48.10 | computer13137 | Commander1024, buntunub |
| 03:48.14 | computer13137 | defunkt's the server guy. |
| 03:48.18 | defunkt | yo |
| 03:48.23 | JasonWoof | hidensoft: I think this shouldn't have happened, and I'm wondering if it happened to you (and not millions of others) because perhaps your wireless card device got a weird name |
| 03:48.48 | lenswipe | defunkt, 30TB is a serious load of pr0n ;) |
| 03:48.50 | defunkt | i was under the impression (with my recent readings) that ZFS had a large RAM footprint when doing FSCK |
| 03:48.53 | defunkt | lol |
| 03:49.02 | defunkt | not quite pr0n |
| 03:49.03 | computer13137 | lol |
| 03:49.04 | hidensoft | i dont know, but its work now |
| 03:49.07 | defunkt | but it is a nice collection |
| 03:49.13 | computer13137 | >.> |
| 03:49.20 | computer13137 | xD |
| 03:49.22 | hidensoft | JasonWoof. i dont know, but its work now |
| 03:49.26 | lenswipe | defunkt, is it the source code for vista? id fap to that |
| 03:49.27 | Strife89 | JasonWoof: That appears to be working. |
| 03:49.29 | lenswipe | defunkt, just kidding... |
| 03:49.35 | spersaud | lenswipe: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
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| 03:49.37 | hidensoft | goodbye every body |
| 03:49.39 | defunkt | lol |
| 03:49.43 | lenswipe | spersaud, O_O |
| 03:49.47 | defunkt | im not sure 30TB is enough for that!! |
| 03:50.04 | computer13137 | Yeah, they bloated Vista's source code with all the GOTO statements. |
| 03:50.05 | lenswipe | defunkt, 30TB of RAM or HDD space? |
| 03:50.18 | defunkt | 30TB of HDD space... |
| 03:50.30 | lenswipe | how much RAM then? |
| 03:50.31 | defunkt | but im concerned about the ram utilization during a FSCK of my drives |
| 03:50.34 | defunkt | 4GB ram |
| 03:50.43 | Strife89 | JasonWoof: Yeah, pretty sure it's working. :) http://pastebin.com/kA3qSNd2 |
| 03:50.50 | lenswipe | defunkt, not on your server, i mean for the winshit vista source code |
| 03:51.20 | computer13137 | No amount of ram is enough for Vista. |
| 03:51.23 | defunkt | who knows... im not sure how much code they stole/bullshitted/pulled out of their ass to make vista |
| 03:51.37 | lenswipe | defunkt, see if you ever get bored? |
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| 03:52.00 | lenswipe | defunkt, have a couple of beers and start writing a C++ app...then read through your code the following morning... |
| 03:52.03 | lenswipe | defunkt, its hilarious |
| 03:52.08 | defunkt | LOL |
| 03:52.08 | lenswipe | defunkt, i recon thats how vista came to be |
| 03:52.15 | defunkt | agrees |
| 03:52.30 | defunkt | i dont do c... but ben there done that... |
| 03:52.36 | lenswipe | PHP? |
| 03:52.37 | lenswipe | Rails? |
| 03:52.40 | lenswipe | Python? |
| 03:52.41 | computer13137 | I do php. |
| 03:52.46 | defunkt | waits for sigh... |
| 03:52.49 | defunkt | VB |
| 03:52.49 | lenswipe | likes PHP |
| 03:52.52 | lenswipe | *sigh* |
| 03:52.56 | computer13137 | xD |
| 03:52.58 | Commander1024 | computer13137, which ubuntu version? |
| 03:53.01 | defunkt | yea... that was "pre ubuntu" |
| 03:53.05 | computer13137 | Commander1024, on the server? |
| 03:53.07 | defunkt | and pre debian |
| 03:53.18 | Commander1024 | computer13137, jap, that 30tb box |
| 03:53.24 | lenswipe | computer13137, http://57o9.org <- Thats my ongoing PHP project :p |
| 03:53.32 | computer13137 | 10.10 x64 |
| 03:53.32 | JasonWoof | lenswipe: There's so much different advice on how to set up multiple monitors. Some of it is specific to certain graphics cards. I don't know what's recommended for debian. Guess you'll have to do your own research, experiment, or ask again here later. |
| 03:53.41 | lenswipe | right. |
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| 03:54.22 | Commander1024 | computer13137, k, that's quite recent |
| 03:54.33 | computer13137 | lenswipe, that's cool, what's the site for? |
| 03:54.44 | computer13137 | lenswipe, it just sorta looks like a random forums\irc\qdb |
| 03:54.51 | defunkt | well my originaly thought was to use ext4... but i didnt quite read up far enough on that.... |
| 03:54.54 | computer13137 | lenswipe, you write the forum software yourself? |
| 03:54.57 | lenswipe | computer13137, yes |
| 03:54.57 | defunkt | ext4 is capable... but the tools arnt there yet |
| 03:55.03 | lenswipe | computer13137, wrote the whole thing myself |
| 03:55.03 | Commander1024 | so, you have backed up your data elsewhere, an now hava a clean and empty raidset you try to format with something that can hold your data? |
| 03:55.05 | JasonWoof | Strife89: yeah, I love youtube-dl. I wrote a handy script for watching youtube without flash that uses it. |
| 03:55.12 | defunkt | Commander1024, correct |
| 03:55.16 | defunkt | lots of external drives |
| 03:55.18 | defunkt | :P |
| 03:55.18 | computer13137 | lenswipe, not bad. I did a forum system once, but it was a mess. It was like an 800 line php file. |
| 03:55.30 | lenswipe | computer13137, this one is quite long...although it does use MVC |
| 03:55.32 | Commander1024 | what kind of partition style do you use? |
| 03:55.38 | defunkt | gpt |
| 03:55.40 | lenswipe | computer13137, its sort of a basic social networking site, im gonna add wall posts and stuff soon |
| 03:55.41 | Commander1024 | mbr / msdos or gpt? |
| 03:55.41 | Commander1024 | k |
| 03:55.56 | lenswipe | computer13137, lemme show u the Admin CP Controlller, XD |
| 03:56.13 | Commander1024 | computer13137, hardware raid or md-dev? |
| 03:56.23 | defunkt | hardware raid... |
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| 03:56.36 | defunkt | areca 1680 or something... i can look it up |
| 03:56.41 | computer13137 | lenswipe, that's cool. lol |
| 03:56.50 | computer13137 | lenswipe, I was working on something similar. |
| 03:56.50 | Commander1024 | and that is capable of such big arrays? |
| 03:56.57 | lenswipe | computer13137, http://pastebin.com/BteCZCnW |
| 03:57.00 | computer13137 | lenswipe, haven't really finished... |
| 03:57.03 | lenswipe | computer13137, thats the controller for /only/ the admin cp |
| 03:57.05 | defunkt | yes |
| 03:57.09 | Commander1024 | many raidcontrollers have ppc cores for the logic, which might also be 32bit |
| 03:57.11 | defunkt | will double check |
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| 03:57.16 | Strife89 | JasonWoof: Thanks for sharing it. :) |
| 03:57.18 | computer13137 | lenswipe, holy crap. |
| 03:57.23 | lenswipe | mmhmm |
| 03:57.23 | computer13137 | lenswipe, at least it's neatly organized. |
| 03:57.25 | lenswipe | yeah |
| 03:57.33 | lenswipe | computer13137, its not what youd call concise though |
| 03:57.34 | defunkt | well the raid volume is expanded past that 32bit mark... |
| 03:57.42 | defunkt | the volume says i can expand to 32TB |
| 03:57.43 | computer13137 | lenswipe, I was still learning php when I did my forums. It was a total mess. Nothing I could ever try to repair\modify. |
| 03:58.02 | computer13137 | lenswipe, I am working on a new custom forum system, though. |
| 03:58.12 | computer13137 | lenswipe, although I'm spending a lot of time fixing defunkt's stuff lately. ;P |
| 03:58.13 | defunkt | (and i ahve a friend with the same card using a single NTFS partition consuming all 32TB) |
| 03:58.15 | lenswipe | computer13137, the original version of this site was a mess, so i threw it away and came up with that |
| 03:58.17 | Commander1024 | but you get i/o errors that must not necessarily mean, the FS is the bad guy |
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| 03:58.39 | lenswipe | computer13137, Me: http://57o9.org/index.php?page=channelmembers&uid=5&up=1 |
| 03:58.41 | Commander1024 | ok |
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| 03:59.00 | lenswipe | computer13137, oh, we got BBCode aswell :D |
| 03:59.06 | defunkt | but i only get the IO errors when the FS is larger than ~15TB |
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| 03:59.25 | defunkt | if i keep the FS around 10TB i dont get any errors and it works fine |
| 03:59.27 | computer13137 | lenswipe, cool |
| 03:59.32 | Commander1024 | the only way you can ensure it writes past the 16GB barrier, is to fill it up with stuff until that point? |
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| 03:59.37 | computer13137 | lenswipe, you got Skype or MSN? |
| 03:59.44 | lenswipe | computer13137, we got user blogs aswell, i got both |
| 03:59.49 | lenswipe | computer13137, hardly use msn though |
| 03:59.57 | computer13137 | lenswipe, no skype? |
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| 04:00.07 | lenswipe | computer13137, i got skype |
| 04:00.10 | Commander1024 | or do you get errors with any write, when FS is bitter than 15TB |
| 04:00.14 | lenswipe | computer13137, skype name is lenswipe(i think) |
| 04:00.15 | computer13137 | oh so much the better. use that more anyway. |
| 04:00.16 | defunkt | Commander1024, well if i make the FS larger than 16TB i get IO errors when writing data... if i keep it under i do not |
| 04:00.17 | Commander1024 | biggerà |
| 04:00.23 | computer13137 | lenswipe, do you idle here indefinitely? |
| 04:00.24 | defunkt | corect |
| 04:00.34 | lenswipe | computer13137, no, i usually idle in ##5709 |
| 04:00.40 | computer13137 | lenswipe, I mean on freenode. |
| 04:00.41 | defunkt | if the FS is > 15 i get IO errors on any WRITE |
| 04:00.44 | defunkt | not read tho |
| 04:00.49 | Commander1024 | defunkt, did you only try ext4 or also other fs'es? |
| 04:00.52 | lenswipe | computer13137, oh right, i dont idle here all the time, but im on alot |
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| 04:01.16 | computer13137 | lenswipe, ah, k, well if you want join my channel here...then I won't forget your nick and can pm you later and get your skype or w\e. |
| 04:01.17 | defunkt | ext4 is currently incapable of going >16TB due to the e2fsprogs not being compiled in 64bit yet |
| 04:01.20 | wooden | What subsystem(s) in Debian are responsible for automatically mounting media like DVDs and USB drives? |
| 04:01.20 | computer13137 | lenswipe, #tcng |
| 04:01.22 | defunkt | im currently trying to use JFS |
| 04:01.37 | computer13137 | lenswipe, working on trying to decypher traffic controller next generation. :P |
| 04:01.43 | computer13137 | lenswipe, if that's something that interests you... |
| 04:01.55 | computer13137 | lenswipe, got a few techs who wanna learn how to use it. so we're trying to pool resources\minds. |
| 04:01.56 | lenswipe | not my thing im afraid |
| 04:02.04 | Commander1024 | defunkt, would you mind, giving xfs a try, as I know some guy running 24TB with xfs |
| 04:02.04 | defunkt | im a bit cautios of XFS and ZFS so far as i havnt heard the "best" things about them |
| 04:02.13 | defunkt | sure... one min |
| 04:02.18 | Strife89 | JasonWoof: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1905158/broken-down_DS.JPG <--- reason I need the videos, if you're curious. :P |
| 04:02.20 | computer13137 | lenswipe, no need for traffic shaping? must have better internet than us...or don't hammer it so hard. :P |
| 04:02.29 | Commander1024 | just to see, what happens |
| 04:02.38 | lenswipe | computer13137, oh, traffic shaping |
| 04:02.47 | defunkt | sure np... i dont mind doing any troubleshooting with it... just concerned about long term use |
| 04:02.47 | computer13137 | lenswipe, yeah |
| 04:02.58 | lenswipe | computer13137, sorry, i thought you meant trafic control asin decyphering police broadcasts |
| 04:02.59 | lenswipe | XD |
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| 04:03.11 | computer13137 | lenswipe, tcng is an interpreter that creates "tc" syntax for linux traffic shaping. |
| 04:03.21 | computer13137 | lenswipe, we're trying to figure out the specifics about how to use it. |
| 04:03.23 | lenswipe | computer13137, i thought we were suddenly into CBRadio, hence why i wasnt really interested |
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| 04:03.30 | spersaud | lenswipe: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup ... then terminus bold a good choice |
| 04:03.31 | computer13137 | lenswipe, ahhh no. lol |
| 04:03.32 | lenswipe | computer13137, sounds interesting |
| 04:03.38 | lenswipe | spersaud, !? |
| 04:03.56 | spersaud | lenswipe: for a decent console |
| 04:04.18 | lenswipe | spersaud, i still have no idea what you mean by "a decent console" what do you define as a console? |
| 04:04.19 | spersaud | that and my vision sucks |
| 04:04.36 | spersaud | text terminal " |
| 04:04.48 | Commander1024 | xfs is quite old, stable and well maintained, but definitively not the fastest |
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| 04:05.18 | spersaud | how can I see how much battery I have remaining in the console ? |
| 04:06.30 | computer13137 | lenswipe, i'm running to mcdonalds before they close to get food for defunkt and I lol |
| 04:06.32 | computer13137 | I'll be back. |
| 04:06.40 | lenswipe | computer13137, ok |
| 04:07.48 | chipotle | i'm excited to use squeeze :))))) |
| 04:08.00 | defunkt | Commander1024, i have it formatted and copying |
| 04:08.36 | defunkt | so far its fine with no io problems |
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| 04:11.15 | defunkt | Commander1024, that means my assumption was probably correct with a jfs limitation of a tool being 32bit somewhere |
| 04:11.46 | Commander1024 | at least that is one possibility |
| 04:12.17 | Commander1024 | before filling it entirely with data, you might want to check if xfsprogs have some 32bit problem, too ;-) |
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| 04:13.34 | defunkt | well i dont see any immediate problems... but i will do some reading up on that... |
| 04:13.39 | defunkt | u have any other suggestions? |
| 04:13.53 | defunkt | will have to read up on xfs best practices |
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| 04:14.34 | Commander1024 | suggestions or recommendations on usable filesystems? |
| 04:14.38 | Commander1024 | ;-) |
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| 04:15.37 | DonkeyCongo | Why can I not see files in /var/www? |
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| 04:16.06 | Commander1024 | defunkt, but here on that ubuntu 10.10 x64 it says: |
| 04:16.08 | Commander1024 | /sbin/e2fsck: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, stripped |
| 04:16.13 | Commander1024 | for /sbin/e2fsck |
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| 04:16.34 | Commander1024 | (which does not mean, it uses 64bit interally, too)( |
| 04:17.46 | defunkt | well i was trying to figure out how you could run a 64bit filesystem on a 32bit machine... i know they are seperate architectures but there obviously is a way |
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| 04:18.06 | defunkt | i mean they've done it forever |
| 04:18.24 | defunkt | which is why im nto understanding why it matters what architecture version im using for the tools |
| 04:18.42 | defunkt | i duno... i mean youd hit the 32bit limit obviously |
| 04:18.52 | defunkt | just wierd on how im doing that on my 64bit system |
| 04:19.19 | Bushmills | DonkeyCongo: because you haven't installed the "see" program? |
| 04:19.21 | defunkt | Commander1024, whats your thought on XFS or "usable FS"??? |
| 04:19.48 | defunkt | DonkeyCongo, are you sudo? |
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| 04:22.53 | Commander1024 | XFS is stable for a dozen of years now, has been developed by SGI and has proven it has no major bugs |
| 04:23.38 | Commander1024 | but because of this age, it lacks some funky featues like btrfs etc. have and it is not too performant |
| 04:23.49 | Commander1024 | but what is supposed to be stored there? |
| 04:23.51 | DonkeyCongo | defunkt: Is that something you are? I can list the files in the terminal, but I cant see them through the file browser. |
| 04:23.53 | defunkt | well i was under the impression that it was "high maintenance" |
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| 04:24.20 | defunkt | Commander1024, media storage basically |
| 04:24.30 | defunkt | DonkeyCongo, do: sudo su |
| 04:24.39 | defunkt | you mean in the browser |
| 04:24.40 | defunkt | oh |
| 04:24.47 | defunkt | do sudo nautilus |
| 04:24.48 | Commander1024 | and accessed via network, I suppose? |
| 04:24.53 | defunkt | correct |
| 04:25.10 | Commander1024 | than xfs should be fine |
| 04:25.11 | Commander1024 | e |
| 04:25.18 | defunkt | i would think.... will ber very low load |
| 04:25.30 | DonkeyCongo | defunkt: Im not in the sudoers file, I just got reported 0_0 |
| 04:25.32 | defunkt | i mean... maybe up to 100Mb at times |
| 04:25.52 | defunkt | DonkeyCongo, then you wont be looking in the /var/www folder |
| 04:25.53 | defunkt | lol |
| 04:26.07 | Commander1024 | xfs reacts a little slow on enourmous files |
| 04:26.29 | DonkeyCongo | defunkt: So where do I find/edit this sudo file? |
| 04:26.32 | Commander1024 | but that no problem with mediafiles up to 40gb (blueray) |
| 04:26.54 | defunkt | yea... most are ~10GB matroska's |
| 04:27.07 | defunkt | DonkeyCongo, /etc/sudouers |
| 04:27.41 | defunkt | DonkeyCongo, but you need to be in the file to edit the file |
| 04:27.41 | defunkt | :P |
| 04:28.01 | Commander1024 | btrfs / zfs have nice features you might have fun with on a storage system |
| 04:28.17 | Commander1024 | live snapshots, deduplication and so on |
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| 04:29.01 | I-are- | do I use 'chmod -R <directory> a+xrw to change the settings for all subdirectories? |
| 04:29.15 | DonkeyCongo | defunkt: Im in it now |
| 04:29.19 | Commander1024 | but btrfs is not stable enough yet (even datastructures might still change in the future) and zfs is only usable through fuse or a kernel module, that's based on an outdated versioin |
| 04:29.37 | defunkt | Commander1024, yea i was reading up on that |
| 04:29.42 | Commander1024 | especially zfs also has some performance issues and lacks crypto |
| 04:30.02 | defunkt | Commander1024, well that and the ram requirements for that are insane... |
| 04:30.05 | Commander1024 | google uses btrfs for quite some months now |
| 04:30.10 | defunkt | ZFS designers recommend 2GiB of RAM for every 1TiB of storage. Example: at least 32 GiB of memory is recommended for 20TiB of storage |
| 04:30.18 | Commander1024 | defunkt, fullafck |
| 04:30.28 | Commander1024 | wow |
| 04:30.33 | defunkt | yea |
| 04:30.38 | defunkt | that was my concern |
| 04:30.46 | defunkt | i was like WTF |
| 04:30.54 | Commander1024 | i knew zfs is munching men lice pacman, but that's really insane |
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| 04:31.02 | Commander1024 | mem like* |
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| 04:31.31 | defunkt | yea... thats why i was really hesitant to even format my disk with that |
| 04:31.34 | defunkt | i mean... holy crap |
| 04:31.46 | defunkt | thats off of wikipedia |
| 04:31.55 | Commander1024 | google btrfs for speed reasons btw. 2. during the evaluation was ext4 |
| 04:32.06 | Commander1024 | but that fails for you now |
| 04:32.23 | computer13137 | I'm back and I've come bearing Big Macs xD |
| 04:32.28 | computer13137 | But it looks like lenswipe is gone. :P |
| 04:33.11 | Commander1024 | xfs is a sane choise I'd say |
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| 04:33.46 | simonrvn | 'choice' |
| 04:34.03 | Commander1024 | you're right, sorry |
| 04:34.28 | defunkt | The current e2fsprogs can only handle a filesystem of 16 TB,[10] but support for larger drives is under development. |
| 04:34.46 | Commander1024 | only once I lost all data on a xfs fs ;-) but that was the fault of the underlying raiddev, which had 2 disks failing during one night |
| 04:35.23 | simonrvn | np |
| 04:35.26 | defunkt | well out of curiosity... i was told there was no auto fsck on xfs... |
| 04:35.31 | defunkt | but i havnt read up on that yet |
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| 04:35.50 | DonkeyCongo | defunkt: Im sudo now, still cant see them. |
| 04:35.52 | simonrvn | fsck.xfs is equivalent of /bin/true |
| 04:36.06 | simonrvn | you need to run xfs_repair |
| 04:36.08 | defunkt | DonkeyCongo, are you sure the web site files are in /var/www |
| 04:36.15 | Commander1024 | xfs_check is also there |
| 04:36.21 | defunkt | simon_q, but it has to be run mannually correct? |
| 04:36.39 | Commander1024 | defunkt, it's in xfsprogs |
| 04:37.00 | defunkt | i know the fsck exists.. but it doesnt autofsck every X days |
| 04:37.05 | defunkt | or w/e |
| 04:37.26 | DonkeyCongo | defunkt: Ye, I can list them through the terminal |
| 04:37.31 | Commander1024 | luckily it does NOT do such stupid things |
| 04:37.50 | defunkt | DonkeyCongo, did you do: sudo nautilus |
| 04:37.51 | defunkt | ? |
| 04:37.58 | simonrvn | eew |
| 04:38.36 | defunkt | hmmi guess im do for some reading on fsck |
| 04:38.42 | defunkt | and xfs |
| 04:38.54 | defunkt | im used to ext3 doing this automatically every X reboots or X days |
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| 04:39.17 | Commander1024 | I think this is quite annoying |
| 04:39.21 | simonrvn | xfs came from irix |
| 04:40.00 | Commander1024 | offline checking, just delays boot or requires you to unmount the fs which makes it unavailable for quite some time on 30TB arrays |
| 04:40.07 | DonkeyCongo | defunkt: They are visible now. Will I have to do that everytime I want to edit the files? |
| 04:40.24 | defunkt | i agree... but on my media storage i have it fsck on every reboot.... however it can be up for months at a time |
| 04:40.40 | defunkt | id rather have correct data than potentially have corrupt data |
| 04:40.44 | Commander1024 | xfs does not only not do periodic checks, but it does not need them, I think its self-organizing on-the-fly |
| 04:40.55 | defunkt | DonkeyCongo, without modifying the permissions, yes |
| 04:41.43 | defunkt | so what kind of maintenance will i be looking to do with XFS? |
| 04:42.06 | defunkt | a friend who has some experience with xfs said that xfs was "high maintenance"... |
| 04:42.08 | Commander1024 | none? do you want to do maintenance? |
| 04:42.11 | defunkt | but im hereing different here |
| 04:42.16 | defunkt | absolutely not |
| 04:42.26 | defunkt | but i dont want data corruption either... thats why im asking |
| 04:42.28 | defunkt | :D |
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| 04:43.01 | Commander1024 | if you feel better you can execute a xfs_check every boot... |
| 04:43.21 | Commander1024 | ah, that's something you should try btw |
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| 04:43.37 | defunkt | agrees... |
| 04:43.45 | Commander1024 | fill the volume with some data, unmount and xfs_check / xfs_repair on it |
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| 04:44.10 | Commander1024 | i once had problems with a box running out of ram trying to do that |
| 04:44.39 | Commander1024 | but that was an embedded amd geode device with 256mb of ram |
| 04:44.47 | DonkeyCongo | defunkt: Ive tried chmod without luck |
| 04:45.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | DonkeyCongo: what are you doing? |
| 04:46.16 | defunkt | hes trying to change perms on files in /var/www so he can edit them without sudo'ing |
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| 04:46.32 | defunkt | this is bad practice... FYI |
| 04:46.49 | defunkt | but: chmod 777 -R /var/www |
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| 04:46.57 | defunkt | should work... although extremely unrecommended |
| 04:47.04 | smacnay | Can anyone recommend a decent cataloging software for music and or movie collections? |
| 04:47.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | then why suggest it? |
| 04:47.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | DonkeyCongo: if its just a personal site enable apaches userdir module and put your files in ~/public_html |
| 04:47.38 | defunkt | fair question... but it does what he asks... although not the best way to do it |
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| 04:48.21 | defunkt | Commander1024, interesting... it still thinks my FS is mounted when its not... |
| 04:48.24 | DonkeyCongo | defunkt: How come? You can probably figure out that Im a new linux user. I basically trying to set up a home server to develop on instead of those windows packagesæ |
| 04:48.26 | defunkt | sigh... |
| 04:48.29 | I-are- | I am running debain lenny Lxde. When I installed I chose not to have root as the default user. Is there a way to allow certain applications to run as root from the 'Application launcher' menu (for lack of a better term) and not others? |
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| 04:49.28 | defunkt | DonkeyCongo, changin the permissions to 777 makes them writable by any user who has access to your pc... and possibly open to exploits for websites |
| 04:49.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | I-are-: what sort of apps? (using gksudo is probably where its at though) |
| 04:49.52 | computer13137 | smacnay, try subsonic. www.subsonic.org I <3 it. |
| 04:49.53 | I-are- | Kamping_Kaiser, things like netbeans |
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| 04:50.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | I-are-: o.0 as root? |
| 04:50.32 | smacnay | computer13137, thanks |
| 04:51.02 | computer13137 | smacnay, no problem. |
| 04:51.31 | DonkeyCongo | hmm, alright |
| 04:51.48 | I-are- | Kamping_Kaiser, well I am running into an issue with this application I am writing in java. an api I am using needs access to the javatmp directory. That is apparently in an area that needs root privileges on my system. I can find that one directory and change permissions... but that seems worse than just running netbeans as root. |
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| 04:52.19 | I-are- | Kamping_Kaiser, and I cannot just change the api to suit my system because half the development is being done on windows machines. |
| 04:52.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | I-are-: check the permissions on the directory, you might need to be in a special group. (or the directory may beset up wrong) |
| 04:52.38 | Commander1024 | defunkt, hmmmm |
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| 04:52.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | DonkeyCongo: if its personal website dev, use your public_html directory |
| 04:52.56 | Commander1024 | lsof shows no open files on it? |
| 04:53.29 | I-are- | Kamping_Kaiser, well I know that the permissions won't let me in because I get a (permission denied) error when trying to write to it from netbeans. |
| 04:53.31 | defunkt | i got it to run... but holy shit the ram skyrocketed |
| 04:53.54 | defunkt | is watching ram usage... |
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| 04:53.57 | I-are- | what about adding my user account to the root group? |
| 04:54.01 | Commander1024 | ayayay |
| 04:54.08 | computer13137 | defunkt has no swap :P |
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| 04:54.15 | defunkt | yes i do.. |
| 04:54.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | I-are-: but you don't know why |
| 04:54.34 | computer13137 | defunkt, On your SSD? |
| 04:54.35 | Commander1024 | I can't tell you for sure, if ram is stressed more, when the raid is full? |
| 04:55.00 | DonkeyCongo | Kamping_Kaiser: Ye I might have to. Im just trying to figure out what Im missing. Im a hobby developer, so I dont know how it's done by the pros. |
| 04:55.15 | defunkt | honestly its only using aroun %20 of ram |
| 04:55.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | DonkeyCongo: the pros usually do it badly :p |
| 04:55.27 | defunkt | it loooks liek it plateau'd |
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| 04:55.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | I-are-: whats the path to the directory netbeans tries to write to? |
| 04:56.01 | I-are- | Kamping_Kaiser, no I don't. I need to track down what the exact directory is... java.io.tmpdir is all I know so far |
| 04:56.02 | Commander1024 | paletau'ed? checker app hangs or mem usage does not increase? |
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| 04:56.27 | defunkt | mem usage stopped increasing... |
| 04:56.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | ah, heh. that would make life harder. |
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| 04:57.37 | Technicus | Hello. |
| 04:58.08 | I-are- | Kamping_Kaiser, ok I see. I did an ls on my / directory and I see the file that netbeans created. it is writing to my root directory. |
| 04:58.17 | defunkt | Commander1024, actually... lol... xfs_check pegged out and was killed |
| 04:58.23 | Technicus | How do I direct sound to go through a Logitech USB headset? |
| 04:58.23 | defunkt | sighed... |
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| 04:58.33 | defunkt | this server has been givin me nothing but problems this week |
| 04:58.35 | Commander1024 | oh lol |
| 04:58.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | I-are-: ew. i don't know java or netbeans, but it sounds like you need to get that overriden somewhere :/ |
| 04:58.46 | I-are- | Kamping_Kaiser, I am not sure how to get java to look to a directory under my /home so that I can get write permissions. |
| 04:58.55 | defunkt | i dont even have >5GB on the raid yet |
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| 04:59.20 | Technicus | is trying to figure out how to adjust audio settings? |
| 04:59.21 | I-are- | Kamping_Kaiser, yeah I think so to. I will keep digging around on the net and poke around on the ##java channel. |
| 04:59.24 | I-are- | Kamping_Kaiser, thanks |
| 04:59.51 | Commander1024 | the problem is well know |
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| 05:00.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | I-are-: good luck with it |
| 05:01.06 | defunkt | Commander1024, out of memory: kill proces 1944 |
| 05:01.08 | defunkt | lol |
| 05:01.17 | defunkt | figures |
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| 05:03.58 | Commander1024 | se xfs_repair -n, xfs_check does not scale (and will |
| 05:03.58 | Commander1024 | > hopefully be replaced by xfs_repair -n someday). |
| 05:04.33 | defunkt | that runs |
| 05:04.36 | defunkt | and completes |
| 05:04.38 | Commander1024 | xfs_check seems to be know to be buggy and mem-consuming |
| 05:04.46 | defunkt | ya think |
| 05:04.47 | defunkt | lol |
| 05:04.56 | Commander1024 | xfs_check also has deprecated flag ;-) |
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| 05:05.01 | defunkt | aah |
| 05:05.03 | defunkt | didnt see that |
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| 05:05.44 | defunkt | alright well im about to start copying a bunch of shit... let her sit overnight.... and repeat |
| 05:06.01 | defunkt | thanks for the help Commander1024 |
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| 05:06.09 | computer13137 | lol |
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| 05:10.54 | blindrat | `/msg dpkg xorg.conf |
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| 05:14.05 | philoski | richard@debian-pc:~$ su Password: root@debian-pc:/home/richard# sudo apt-get install pidgin Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package pidgin root@debian-pc:/home/richard# |
| 05:14.17 | philoski | How do I make it so I can download Pidgin from the terminal? |
| 05:14.44 | defunkt | is pidgen depreciated? im not sure its supported... but do: apt-ache search pidgen |
| 05:14.51 | defunkt | that will help you find the package namwe |
| 05:15.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | philoski: update your sources list? |
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| 05:15.25 | defunkt | apt-cache |
| 05:15.26 | defunkt | *** |
| 05:15.28 | defunkt | typo |
| 05:15.30 | philoski | root@debian-pc:/home/richard# apt-cache search pidgin lxpanel - a lightweight desktop panel for X |
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| 05:15.42 | philoski | Kamping_Kaiser: How do I do that? |
| 05:15.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | philoski: why are you installing pidgin from a cli? |
| 05:16.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: tell philoski about paste |
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| 05:16.22 | philoski | I've never used Debian and I'm kind of confused about the GUI... It's using xfce. |
| 05:16.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | the default images don't, so you must have chosen to use it :) |
| 05:17.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | philoski: man apt-get covers it. check 'update' |
| 05:17.44 | philoski | Kamping_Kaiser: Yeah, I chose xfce on purpose. :) I thought I would be able to install stuff from the terminal with apt-get though... |
| 05:18.05 | defunkt | you can |
| 05:18.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | philoski: you used otehr distros in the past? |
| 05:18.12 | defunkt | just not as friendly |
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| 05:18.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | defunkt: thats a matter of preference |
| 05:18.30 | defunkt | i agree |
| 05:18.36 | defunkt | not as friendly for newer users |
| 05:18.38 | defunkt | :D |
| 05:18.41 | defunkt | i prefer cli |
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| 05:18.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | well, they think its not :) |
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| 05:19.22 | philoski | Kamping_Kaiser: http://paste.debian.net/107382/ |
| 05:19.24 | defunkt | cli ftw! |
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| 05:19.46 | philoski | Kamping_Kaiser: Yeah, I've tried Ubuntu, Mint and openSUSE and now Debian xfce. |
| 05:20.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | philoski: do you have aptitude/synaptic/ some other package manager open at the moment? |
| 05:20.53 | philoski | Not that I know of.. I only have one terminal open and a browser which I'm using to talk to you. |
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| 05:21.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | philoski: try `lsof |grep lock` and see if any of them match the path in your pastebin |
| 05:22.49 | pandrew | i have a laptop where pageup/down are only on the numpads. So scrolling xterm with Shift-PageUp/Down doesn't work. setxkbmap ro -option "numpad:microsoft" didn't help. Now Shift-pageup/down selects text in editors, but the terminal still isn't scrolling, what should i do? |
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| 05:24.39 | philoski | Kamping_Kaiser: I'm note sure what that means but this is what I got: http://paste.debian.net/107383/ |
| 05:24.54 | chemuduguntar | hello, what is the package for firefox on squeeze? |
| 05:24.58 | chemuduguntar | xul-runner? |
| 05:25.27 | pandrew | chemuduguntar: iceweasel |
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| 05:25.57 | chemuduguntar | pandrew, iceweasel is based on webkit :| |
| 05:26.09 | uoods | what? |
| 05:26.15 | pandrew | chemuduguntar: umm, no |
| 05:26.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | philoski: looks like you have an apt-get already running. is it in the background/another terminal? |
| 05:26.27 | chemuduguntar | help > about |
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| 05:26.32 | chemuduguntar | 'Powered by WebKit' |
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| 05:26.54 | philoski | Kamping_Kaiser: Really? I only have one terminal open. I'll restart my computer and see if that fixes it? |
| 05:27.00 | chemuduguntar | oh oops looking at the wrong browswer |
| 05:27.01 | chemuduguntar | :) |
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| 05:27.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | philoski: restart is a big hammer, but if you want to :) |
| 05:27.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | chemuduguntar: tut tut :) |
| 05:27.30 | uoods | philoski: fg |
| 05:27.43 | philoski | uoods: What's fg? |
| 05:28.01 | uoods | philoski: maybe you accidently background that process |
| 05:28.07 | uoods | fg brings it back to foreground |
| 05:28.11 | philoski | Kamping_Kaiser: It's worth a shot, let's hope the reboot does some magic. |
| 05:28.23 | philoski | uoods: root@debian-pc:/home/richard# fg bash: fg: current: no such job |
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| 05:28.45 | uoods | ok, nvm then |
| 05:29.08 | philoski | I'll be back. :) |
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| 05:34.33 | Technicus | I am about to attempt this: [ http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=32038 ], but I would like someone more advance to asvise me wether to actually do it or not. This was from 2008, but is it still relevant with the current stable version? |
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| 05:35.14 | philoski | Well, rebooting didn't change anything... |
| 05:35.16 | philoski | :( |
| 05:35.28 | Bushmills | philoski: are you root when running apt-get? |
| 05:35.46 | philoski | Bushmills: Yeah |
| 05:35.55 | philoski | I used root terminal |
| 05:36.22 | philoski | How do I cehck software sources? |
| 05:37.36 | philoski | ... Or is that just an Ubuntu thing and I'm making myself look super noob? |
| 05:37.42 | philoski | I am super noob.. |
| 05:37.45 | philoski | :( |
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| 05:38.54 | nvz | philoski: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:39.13 | nvz | philoski: look under "Repositories" in Synaptic if using gnome |
| 05:40.18 | philoski | nvz: Using xfce. This is the outpud I got from the command: http://paste.debian.net/107384/ |
| 05:40.43 | philoski | Is "#deb-src ://volatile.debian.org squeeze-updates main" the online repository? |
| 05:41.28 | nvz | philoski: looks like you only have the first squeeze cd for xfce in your sources |
| 05:41.49 | nvz | philoski: I thought there was not a volatile for squeeze.. idk |
| 05:41.55 | philoski | nvz: So, does that mean I don't have online sources? |
| 05:41.57 | nvz | philoski: thats not a main mirror though |
| 05:42.26 | nvz | philoski: where are you located? |
| 05:42.39 | philoski | nvz: Australia |
| 05:43.02 | nvz | philoski: http://ftp.au.debian.org/ perhaps |
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| 05:44.02 | philoski | nvz: What do I do with that link/website? Do I need to join it? |
| 05:44.39 | nvz | philoski: do this: echo "deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update |
| 05:45.05 | nvz | philoski: well you probably want that security.debian.org in there too actually |
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| 05:46.27 | philoski | nvz: This is what just happened: http://paste.debian.net/107385/ |
| 05:46.38 | philoski | I think it downloaded.. Something? |
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| 05:46.56 | philoski | And what do I do with the "security.debian.org"? |
| 05:47.10 | nvz | philoski: ok you now have online repos for main, contrib, non-free |
| 05:47.49 | nvz | philoski: you need to enable security.debian.org by removing the # from the front of that line |
| 05:47.56 | nvz | philoski: nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:48.17 | nvz | philoski: if you could easily copy/paste I could |
| 05:48.27 | nvz | have just given you a one liner to make a new file.. heh |
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| 05:50.00 | philoski | nvz: How do i delete the "#" in nano? |
| 05:50.12 | nvz | philoski: with the backspace key |
| 05:50.40 | nvz | philoski: or the delete key |
| 05:50.40 | philoski | It's not deleting :( |
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| 05:50.56 | philoski | Still not deleting :( |
| 05:51.03 | nvz | philoski: can you copy and paste what I type? |
| 05:51.04 | philoski | Is nano supposed to beinside the terminal? |
| 05:51.18 | philoski | nvz: Yeah, sure. |
| 05:51.19 | nvz | yes nano is text based |
| 05:51.32 | blindrat_ | 107386 |
| 05:51.36 | nvz | philoski: I'll type you a oneliner to write the new config and apply it |
| 05:51.43 | philoski | nvz: OK? |
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| 05:54.18 | nvz | philoski: echo -e "deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free\ndeb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" > /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update |
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| 05:55.01 | nvz | philoski: that creates a new sources list with the security repo, the Debian AU FTP repo, and updates your cache |
| 05:55.35 | nvz | philoski: also has the contrib and non-free sections |
| 05:56.58 | tonytraductor | I'm trying to put squeeze on a usb key to isntall on a laptop with no optical drive. I've tried with zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/$usb cp debian.blahblah.iso /dev/$usb , according to instructions http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Boot_Debian_from_an_USB_device, and I've tried with unetbootin. Both keep telling me I ran out of space on the usbkey and abort |
| 05:57.28 | tonytraductor | I had used the same key before th install lenny on a netbook. I erased everyting on the key before trying to put squeeze on it. It is a 2gb drive |
| 05:57.35 | tonytraductor | What am I doing wrong? |
| 05:57.38 | philoski | nvz: I'm not really sure what all that means (I kind of get what you said) but this is the output: http://paste.debian.net/107387/ |
| 05:58.00 | Commander1024 | defunkt, np ;-) |
| 05:58.19 | philoski | nvz: And now it lets me install pidgin! Thankyou so much! Seriously, that was really kind of you. Thanks for all the help once again. :D |
| 05:58.49 | nvz | philoski: yeah but it looks like I munged your file somehow |
| 05:59.00 | nvz | philoski: cause there were errors hitting ftp.au.debian.org |
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| 06:00.38 | philoski | nvz: Is that bad? Everything seems to be working fine? I'm going to be using this for computer for school assignments and stuff, it won't randomly delete files or anything? |
| 06:01.25 | nvz | philoski: haha, no. the command I gave you works for me |
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| 06:01.39 | nvz | philoski: I'm just not sure why aptitude seems to have missed the main mirror |
| 06:02.17 | nvz | philoski: looks like it was a network issue (timeout) cause it already had that mirror cached from the previous command I gave you |
| 06:02.26 | nvz | which is why it still worked |
| 06:02.37 | nvz | but it should have "hit" and not "err" on those lines |
| 06:02.56 | philoski | So... Everythings all good? :) |
| 06:03.06 | philoski | If anything it's working fine... |
| 06:03.16 | philoski | Seems to be anyway.. |
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| 06:04.02 | nvz | philoski: you could try aptitude update again |
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| 06:04.24 | tonytraductor | okay. I successfully stuck lenny on a usb key to install on a netbook only about 6 months ago. Using the same instructions, same usb key, trying to put squeeze on the usbkey, I keep getting a msg that I've run out of room, and the process aborts, either from cli or unetbootin |
| 06:04.34 | nvz | philoski: if it installed packages from ftp.au.debian.org then it should be fine |
| 06:04.44 | nvz | philoski: but it should have hit those mirrors during the update |
| 06:05.11 | tonytraductor | they usbkey is 2gb |
| 06:05.49 | philoski | Pidgin is working fine. :) |
| 06:06.16 | LinuxGuy2009 | In the software center there are screenshots of the programs you can install, but I noticed the ubuntu logo on a bunch of em. Is this just temporary? I hate seeing ubuntu in my debian. Im trying to stay away from ubuntu. |
| 06:06.48 | nvz | LinuxGuy2009: you are using ubuntu |
| 06:06.50 | tonytraductor | please help can't get squeeze onto usbkey |
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| 06:07.01 | nvz | LinuxGuy2009: hate to break it to ya.. |
| 06:07.12 | LinuxGuy2009 | nvz: No look at the screenshot for docky for example and you will see. |
| 06:07.19 | nvz | LinuxGuy2009: there is nothing called "software center" in debian |
| 06:07.24 | tonytraductor | I don't see any ubuntu in my debian |
| 06:07.25 | blindrat_ | paste.debian.net/107388 |
| 06:07.37 | tonytraductor | I don't have any software center |
| 06:08.19 | LinuxGuy2009 | Well I installed with the DVD so maybe if others used the CD install it may be missing by default. |
| 06:08.34 | LinuxGuy2009 | nvz: sure there is. |
| 06:09.12 | nvz | LinuxGuy2009: I'm afraid not.. I've been using debian for like 10 years.. |
| 06:09.30 | nvz | LinuxGuy2009: I have however installed ubuntu for clients.. and I know its in the ubuntu applications menu at the bottom |
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| 06:10.15 | LinuxGuy2009 | nvz: forget it its above your head |
| 06:10.37 | nvz | LinuxGuy2009: hah. ok then. |
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| 06:10.54 | YanksRule | Im gangsta |
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| 06:11.07 | philoski | LinuxGuy2009: typue "uname -a" in a terminal |
| 06:11.14 | YanksRule | !staff |
| 06:11.14 | dpkg | methinks staff is "/stats p" lists on call staff; failing that, try "staff <text>" here. |
| 06:11.14 | nvz | LinuxGuy2009: you can look at your /etc/apt/sources.list and maybe that will help your denial |
| 06:11.16 | YanksRule | !ops |
| 06:11.21 | madsci44 | does anyone know how i might be able to update the keyring during an install? I cant get past install base system because the keys changed since the latest install image was made |
| 06:11.25 | nvz | YanksRule: sup gangsta? |
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| 06:11.48 | nvz | ty whoever did that |
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| 06:15.02 | nvz | madsci44: authentication is not required to install |
| 06:16.44 | madsci44 | well - i get "debootstrap error - release file signed by unknown key (key id AED4B06F473041FA)" when I try "install base system" during this netboot install |
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| 06:17.07 | nutron | is there a site that provides "good" network tools, such as mx lookups, dig and traceroute? |
| 06:17.14 | madsci44 | apparantly the keys changed feb 10? but the install image is feb 6 |
| 06:17.41 | nvz | nutron: I used to use samspade.org but Idk what condition its in now |
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| 06:25.06 | tonytraductor | I see to have gotten the usbkey functional |
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| 06:25.25 | tonytraductor | I was hoping to do it with a livecd, thing, but I just have the netinst on it |
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| 06:25.33 | tonytraductor | so, doing my first netinst |
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| 06:26.00 | madsci44 | nvz: are you suggesting I can disable authentication somehow for install? |
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| 06:28.21 | madsci44 | maybe mistake was selecting emdebin archive keyring |
| 06:28.32 | PieceOndabed | i tried to get my wireless working in debian but the docs don't work for me |
| 06:28.55 | PieceOndabed | its frustrating when docs don't work for ya |
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| 06:35.29 | madsci44 | http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110209 |
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| 06:36.45 | tonytraductor | this is saying I have missing firmware (needs nonfree) for something to do with the wifi (this is a dell d420). Is that going to be difficult to find and install later? (do not have it to install during installation of squeeze) |
| 06:37.22 | robertzaccour | i think by Debian not supporting closed source drivers by default, that sorta makes it.... closed off hardware wise |
| 06:37.35 | ZykoticK9 | nvz, just FYI but Ubuntu's software center is infact installable in Squeeze's default repo as "software-center" (not that I have) |
| 06:38.01 | robertzaccour | more support for hardware would make it more open, which would be a good thing, right? :) |
| 06:38.21 | robertzaccour | whats nvz? |
| 06:38.50 | ZykoticK9 | robertzaccour, a user that is now gone ;| |
| 06:39.20 | robertzaccour | oh ok |
| 06:39.58 | robertzaccour | anyhow, i still think that if Debian supported hardware by default whether it was closed or not would make Debian more open and used |
| 06:40.28 | robertzaccour | a lot of users switch to something else because of hardware issues in that aspect for example, wireless drivers |
| 06:40.41 | tonytraductor | but that requies non-free stuff, like apparently some firmware I need for this dell |
| 06:41.35 | robertzaccour | my wireless card is a rtl8191se and none of the docs I followed would make it work |
| 06:41.43 | robertzaccour | works fine in other distros though |
| 06:42.22 | madsci44 | its good that they are strict to distinguish between free and non-free same as with firmware - its not good when its so difficult to apply non-free stuff. |
| 06:42.28 | tonytraductor | the wifi on this laptops works with peppermint os from liveusb, I did't anticipate problems with debian |
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| 06:42.43 | tonytraductor | Of course, for all I know it may work just fine with squeeze, still isntalling so no means to assess yet |
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| 06:43.19 | robertzaccour | not enabling closed source drivers by default indeed makes Debian more closed itself though |
| 06:43.37 | tonytraductor | just, pretty early in the installation it said it needed nonfree firmware iwlwifi-3495-2.ucode, or something. I have it hooked to ethernet right now, so wifi not needed for the isntall |
| 06:43.39 | robertzaccour | if they were installed by default not only would it be more open, but get a lot more users |
| 06:43.57 | robertzaccour | I figured this out years ago |
| 06:43.58 | tonytraductor | but Debian is Free Software |
| 06:44.30 | tonytraductor | you want closed source stuff, you can get it, but it is not nor should be part of Debian by default. |
| 06:44.37 | robertzaccour | true, but being more open to drivers would be an improvement |
| 06:44.57 | robertzaccour | I tried following the docs for my wireless, none worked |
| 06:44.59 | Rayonp | after 2 hours i got a problem that i cannot solve :s why if i uncomment the innodb's part in my my.cnf i got a problem with the PID |
| 06:45.02 | robertzaccour | I have a rtl8191se |
| 06:45.52 | tonytraductor | robertzaccour, did you see this: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=54167 ? |
| 06:47.22 | robertzaccour | tonytraductor, yes that was the first link in google search, I went through several pages of docs on the search I already said I tried the docs I searched |
| 06:47.27 | robertzaccour | tonytraductor, thanks anyway |
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| 06:47.54 | tonytraductor | If I choose to install "Graphical desktop environment" during netinstall, it is going to install gnome? because I don't want that bloated nonsense. Or will it give me a choice? |
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| 06:48.12 | tonytraductor | oh |
| 06:48.53 | madsci44 | tonytraductor: whenever i tried that it gave me a massive heap of packages i didnt want. |
| 06:49.01 | madsci44 | (including gnome) |
| 06:49.12 | robertzaccour | thats why I said they should enable closed source drivers by default. Debian would be more open, and there wouldn't be as many issues with following docs to no avail |
| 06:49.26 | tonytraductor | yeah, that's what I'm worried about...oaky, I will NOT install graphical desktop environment at this stage, but install wmii after, or something. |
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| 06:50.39 | madsci44 | I usually just install the minimum then after I update my sources, set aptitude not to install recommends, I pick what I want |
| 06:51.39 | waterloo2005 | How to update chromium in Debian 6 ? thanks |
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| 06:52.28 | robertzaccour | waterloo2005, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? |
| 06:52.37 | ZykoticK9 | waterloo2005, i had to break down and unfortunately switch to using Google's Chrome to get a more modern version :( very unhappy about it too. |
| 06:52.57 | ArtVandalae | Hi guys, I'm just messing around with Debian 6 (squeeze), and I've setup a two RAIDS, 1 in RAID 1, 1 in RAID 5 (they appear to be working :). I'm just not sure on some of the terminology and I can't find the definition on Google. In RAID terminology what does "clean" mean? |
| 06:53.03 | madsci44 | sudo aptitude update;sudo aptitude update chromium-browser |
| 06:54.23 | ZykoticK9 | robertzaccour, madsci44 that doesn't update to a version of Chromium that supports Apps unfortunately |
| 06:55.10 | robertzaccour | ZykoticK9, same for chrome? |
| 06:55.15 | madsci44 | ah.. |
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| 06:55.39 | madsci44 | guess i dont use Apps.. |
| 06:55.40 | ZykoticK9 | robertzaccour, no the chrome version will - i just MUCH prefer using the open source app |
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| 06:56.08 | robertzaccour | i thought chromium is supposed to get all the updates first |
| 06:56.28 | robertzaccour | ZykoticK9, are you a developer? |
| 06:56.29 | ZykoticK9 | robertzaccour, it's the old version that's in the Debian repos |
| 06:56.49 | robertzaccour | ZykoticK9, Oh, I've got Ubuntu goin here |
| 06:56.50 | ZykoticK9 | robertzaccour, nope - i couldn't program my way out of a paper bag |
| 06:57.01 | jkprg | Hi. Does trivial archive repo supports signatures for secure apt? thx |
| 06:57.20 | madsci44 | i thought chromium was sort of the foundry for chrome like mozilla was for netscape once upon a time |
| 06:57.23 | robertzaccour | ZykoticK9, how would open source apps be any different if you can't program? btw i'm not a programmer neither |
| 06:58.17 | peterrooney | just finished updating to squeeze, and icedove changes nearly gave me a heart attack - a "Migration Assistant" MOVED my email folder without so much as a how-do-you-do, or even telling me. "Make backups befoe you start" never rang so true... |
| 06:58.29 | ZykoticK9 | robertzaccour, I view using opensource as an improvement (personally and for the community at large) over closed source ones. |
| 06:58.42 | madsci44 | google mines TMI |
| 06:59.19 | philoski | <3 Google |
| 07:00.03 | dzup3 | peterrooney: just finished updating to squeeze, and icedove changes nearly gave me a heart attack - a "Migration Assistant" MOVED my email folder without so much as a how-do-you-do, or even telling me. "Make backups befoe you start" never rang so true... <----- wtf? |
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| 07:00.22 | waterloo2005 | madsci44, I run sudo aptitude update chromium-brower , it says , 'update' can not accept any parameters . thanks |
| 07:02.15 | madsci44 | erm upgrade ? not update sorry my bad |
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| 07:02.39 | madsci44 | (for that part) |
| 07:03.15 | waterloo2005 | madsci44, when I use upgrade , it upgrade nothing . Do I need to add sources of it ? thanks |
| 07:03.37 | ZykoticK9 | waterloo2005, i believe you'll have Chromium 6.0.472.63 if you're using the STABLE repo |
| 07:04.10 | madsci44 | the sudo aptitude update part should get you the latest versions in the database, if the aptitude upgrade chromium-browser doesnt change anything then prolly your using the newest available in your repository |
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| 07:04.35 | jkprg | What tool would you recommend to build small local repository? reprepro, debpool,.... |
| 07:05.33 | waterloo2005 | ZykoticK9, yes , I use stable 6 now. |
| 07:05.52 | home-alone | hi . does Debian 6 has "wubi" like installer which can install Debian in virtual drives to dual boot with windows |
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| 07:06.11 | ZykoticK9 | home-alone, Wubi is an Ubuntu thing. |
| 07:06.12 | dzup3 | http://ompldr.org/vN2U3Yw/1.jpg |
| 07:06.30 | home-alone | I am asking wubi-like not wubi |
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| 07:06.37 | robertzaccour | i don't wubi |
| 07:06.42 | robertzaccour | don't see the point in wubi |
| 07:06.45 | madsci44 | sounds like a furry kids toy to me |
| 07:07.01 | robertzaccour | haha yeah |
| 07:07.05 | ZykoticK9 | madsci44, lol - it is ;) |
| 07:07.19 | madsci44 | heeh |
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| 07:07.42 | home-alone | My windoes-loving friends wount format their windows for Linux thats why I am looking for a solution |
| 07:08.08 | waterloo2005 | madsci44, I find a package named chromium having version 0.9.14.1-2 . I am using now is named chromium-browser . Do I need to unload chromium-browser and install chromium instead ? thanks |
| 07:08.34 | robertzaccour | home-alone, they don't know how? |
| 07:08.35 | ZykoticK9 | waterloo2005, chromium is a video game |
| 07:09.11 | madsci44 | two different programs chromium != chromium-browser |
| 07:09.39 | home-alone | I dont want to repartition their harddrives to dual boot Linux |
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| 07:09.51 | waterloo2005 | ZykoticK9, yes, I see it . then how to update chromium-browser ? thanks |
| 07:09.51 | home-alone | they* |
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| 07:10.35 | ZykoticK9 | waterloo2005, build from source? Sorry man, i gave up and just installed Chrome after my attempts at getting a newer version of Chromium |
| 07:11.31 | home-alone | so , no wubi-like thing exists for Debian...???? |
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| 07:11.53 | robertzaccour | ZykoticK9, does ubuntu have the current chromium? |
| 07:12.13 | ZykoticK9 | home-alone, if your friends don't want to repartition they probably wouldn't be happy with Debian, Ubuntu would probably be a better fit anyway. |
| 07:12.19 | ZykoticK9 | robertzaccour, yes |
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| 07:12.43 | madsci44 | here you can compare your version against the latest available in debian : http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=chromium-browser&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 07:12.49 | ZykoticK9 | robertzaccour, i tried adding Ubuntu's Chromium PPA version - it didn't work out. |
| 07:13.07 | robertzaccour | ZykoticK9, so how is the download link different? |
| 07:13.17 | home-alone | @zykotick9 Ubuntu is less or more as buggy as windows so there is no point |
| 07:13.20 | robertzaccour | ZykoticK9, oops sorry chrome has the link i forgot |
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| 07:13.58 | robertzaccour | home-alone, actually for me its less buggy. my wireless driver works in Ubuntu, and all the docs I read to try to get it to work in Debian failed |
| 07:14.07 | ZykoticK9 | home-alone, i'm a recent convert from Ubuntu (still on their top contributors page) but it's NO WHERE near as buggy as Windows LOL |
| 07:15.03 | home-alone | @zykotick9 by windows I mean windows 7 , which is very stable |
| 07:15.11 | robertzaccour | so far I've only noticed one bug in windows 7 and it was an application bug. when ccleaner was open while a certain screencast app was it would turn off the aero theme because of an incompatibility |
| 07:15.43 | ZykoticK9 | home-alone, they use Win7?! |
| 07:15.50 | ZykoticK9 | s/they/then/ |
| 07:16.04 | home-alone | @zykotick9 yes they use win 7 |
| 07:16.24 | ZykoticK9 | home-alone, then why force them to use something they don't want to? |
| 07:16.32 | k1rk | That's...better. |
| 07:16.36 | k1rk | Kirk's not available. |
| 07:16.37 | k1rk | xD |
| 07:17.26 | madsci44 | windows... every time I start to think I have finally gotten rid of it for good... it grows back :( |
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| 07:17.49 | ZykoticK9 | madsci44, cancer has a way of coming back ;) |
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| 07:18.12 | madsci44 | yup |
| 07:18.15 | dzup3 | http://ompldr.org/vN2U3aw/7.jpg |
| 07:18.44 | home-alone | @zykotick9 they liked it and asked me to install as a dual-boot . I am using Debian 6 with mac os x style dock and . I told them about FOSS they liked the idea . I want them to use Debian which is super-stable and no bloatware |
| 07:19.52 | ZykoticK9 | home-alone, then try to convince them to dual-boot with real partitions, making linux rely on windows (a la Wubi) is craziness in my opinion. |
| 07:19.59 | madsci44 | if your trying to avoid partitioning - maybe you can use a live disc? or install onto a second drive /external |
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| 07:20.54 | ZykoticK9 | madsci44, LiveCD/USB are slow... |
| 07:22.23 | home-alone | making partition is just too much with other's computers . I dont want to end-up loosing their entire data |
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| 07:22.49 | ZykoticK9 | home-alone, VirtualBox then? |
| 07:23.07 | waterloo2005 | I am using debian 6 . Can I download chromium-browser 9 from sid and install it directly ? thanks |
| 07:23.14 | madsci44 | running it from windows is not so quick either? |
| 07:23.22 | MikeSee | i'm trying to get my logitech usb headset to work on debian 6, what would i look for in the repos? (it shows in lsusb, but not in pulse audio manager or alsamixer) |
| 07:23.23 | home-alone | I will go for Ubuntu or Linux mint for them using wubi and linux4win etc if they like they can install themselves |
| 07:23.58 | cahoot | MikeSee: cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 07:25.20 | MikeSee | cahoot: it displays there; 1 [Headset ]: USB-Audio - Logitech USB Headset Logitech Logitech USB Headset at usb-0000:00:1d.0-1, full |
| 07:25.52 | cahoot | MikeSee: so there you have it - but not as 'default' sound device |
| 07:26.05 | cahoot | MikeSee: alsamixer -c1 |
| 07:26.07 | madsci44 | maybe alsamixer -c 1 if itregards it as a separate card? |
| 07:26.14 | madsci44 | ya what he said |
| 07:26.41 | MikeSee | invalid card index |
| 07:26.53 | cahoot | someone lies |
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| 07:27.42 | MikeSee | alsamixer -c 1 invalid card index: 1 try `alsamixer --help' for more information |
| 07:27.44 | dzup3 | http://ompldr.org/l20dtyi1s- :DD :DD |
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| 07:28.10 | cahoot | MikeSee: speaker-test -t wav -c2 -D plughw:1 also fails? |
| 07:29.39 | MikeSee | yes, it just failed |
| 07:29.51 | cahoot | same error msg? |
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| 07:30.18 | MikeSee | ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1401:(_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory |
| 07:30.43 | cahoot | MikeSee: try alsa force-reload (as root) |
| 07:31.21 | MikeSee | Unknown id: alsa |
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| 07:31.35 | MikeSee | so alsa isnt installed then? |
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| 07:31.57 | cahoot | it obviously is as you have /proc/asound |
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| 07:32.10 | cahoot | it comes with the kernel |
| 07:32.11 | madsci44 | 's head explodes |
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| 07:32.38 | cahoot | there must be something else wrong with your system |
| 07:32.57 | madsci44 | everything up to date? modules and such? kernel? |
| 07:33.10 | MikeSee | ... wait it reloaded, i made a stupid mistake |
| 07:33.27 | cahoot | MikeSee: cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 07:34.28 | MikeSee | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:35.40 | cahoot | MikeSee: you have pulseaudio installed? |
| 07:35.45 | MikeSee | yes |
| 07:35.47 | nutron | how does one convert the printk timestamp found in dmesg to an absolute time? |
| 07:36.09 | cahoot | MikeSee: might be why alsamixer fails |
| 07:36.28 | cahoot | MikeSee: use pulseaudio tools |
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| 07:40.50 | cryptopsy | what creates the ~/.ne folder? |
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| 07:45.34 | Scramblejams | Hi all. Any mdadm wizards here? |
| 07:45.43 | MikeSee | ill have to sort this out tomorrow. thanks for you help cahoot. |
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| 07:47.54 | jon8 | is there an easy way from console, to list a directoy and grep it to only list empty filenames |
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| 07:49.37 | jon8 | well |
| 07:49.42 | jon8 | files that are empty. |
| 07:49.43 | jon8 | :) |
| 07:49.43 | sweetpi | jon8: find /foo -type f -size 0 |
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| 07:50.25 | jon8 | ty |
| 07:52.13 | Scramblejams | I upgraded from lenny to squeeze on a machine with an mdadm-controlled raid6 array. Now, mdadm doesn't see the raid device anymore. I've tried mdadm --detail <partition> of one of the drives and it professes to see nothing. Udev no longer has any mdadm rules, and running dpkg-reconfigure mdadm doesn't help. Any ideas where I should start? |
| 07:52.55 | xk | partition as in sdaX? |
| 07:53.07 | Scramblejams | Yes. Also tried the drive itself. |
| 07:53.18 | xk | --detail wont work unless it's mdX |
| 07:53.21 | Scramblejams | mdadm.conf is unchanged from before. |
| 07:53.38 | Scramblejams | Ahh, ok. No /dev/mdX devices to be found. |
| 07:53.44 | xk | hang on. |
| 07:53.53 | xk | i had to reggenerate mdadm.conf a few weeks ago |
| 07:54.38 | Scramblejams | Will that help? mdadm doesn't see anything with mdadm --detail --scan either |
| 07:54.49 | xk | hmm |
| 07:55.02 | xk | yeah... --scan should show it |
| 07:55.30 | Scramblejams | Looking around the net I saw some stuff about udev's handling of mdadm changing for squeeze, but didn't understand enough to know if that was relevant to my situation. |
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| 07:55.35 | xk | what does "dmesg| grep md" show |
| 07:55.41 | cryptopsy | RAID drivers are needed for usb booting, how can you disable MD raid array checking in the kernel boot? |
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| 07:56.11 | Scramblejams | dmesg|grep md gives me absolutely nothing (except for a spurious match) |
| 07:56.30 | xk | lsmod| grep md |
| 07:56.52 | Scramblejams | md_mon is loaded, raid456 is not. I tried loading that, then dmesg gives: |
| 07:56.57 | Scramblejams | [ 5820.632578] md: raid6 personality registered for level 6 |
| 07:56.57 | Scramblejams | [ 5820.632581] md: raid5 personality registered for level 5 |
| 07:56.57 | Scramblejams | [ 5820.632583] md: raid4 personality registered for level 4 |
| 07:57.12 | Scramblejams | --detail --scan still yields nothing. |
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| 08:01.51 | xk | Scramblejams: ok... one raid6 is loaded, try /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid start |
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| 08:02.36 | Scramblejams | xk, it started and --detail --scan is still empty. :-/ |
| 08:03.09 | Scramblejams | (apologies if my responses slow down a little -- my 8 month old daughter just woke up!) |
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| 08:04.27 | xk | hmm |
| 08:04.51 | Scramblejams | maybe time to boot off the lenny kernel? |
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| 08:05.02 | xk | yeah worth a try |
| 08:05.09 | Scramblejams | would like to join 2011 tho :-) |
| 08:05.52 | Scramblejams | now let's say i do that and the array comes up -- any suggestions from there? |
| 08:07.07 | xk | have to find out what changed between kernel versions |
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| 08:07.18 | xk | the array was created on lenny? |
| 08:07.36 | Scramblejams | yes |
| 08:07.44 | cryptopsy | cat /proc/config.gz > somefile, limits file size to 16kb, how to fix? in TTY |
| 08:08.18 | xk | Scramblejams: fdisk -l, I would like to see the partition id type |
| 08:08.29 | xk | (doubt that'd affect it) |
| 08:08.43 | cahoot | cryptopsy: out of space? |
| 08:08.50 | Scramblejams | they're all type fd, linux raid autodetect |
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| 08:09.32 | xk | hmm |
| 08:09.38 | cryptopsy | cahoot: ? |
| 08:10.06 | cahoot | cryptopsy: just checking the obvious - you have room left? |
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| 08:10.28 | xk | Scramblejams: I'm really guessing now. hmmm |
| 08:10.48 | xk | but it would be worth a shot to boot with a lenny kernel |
| 08:10.54 | Scramblejams | Hope you like puzzles :-) |
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| 08:11.29 | xk | i havent touched upgrading systems with RAID... let alone RAID6 ;) |
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| 08:11.44 | Scramblejams | with this grub2 business is there an easy way for me to set the old kernel as default? the machine's a bit hard to get at atm |
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| 08:11.59 | xk | grub2 is another thing I dislike. |
| 08:12.05 | Scramblejams | ya me too |
| 08:12.11 | Scramblejams | i'm chainloading |
| 08:12.25 | Scramblejams | i've had it whig out three laptops already |
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| 08:12.32 | cahoot | Scramblejams: look at GRUB_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub |
| 08:12.42 | Scramblejams | oooh thanks cahoot |
| 08:14.09 | Scramblejams | okay cahoot, one more q: where do i look to see which boot option corrsponds with which number? |
| 08:14.44 | xk | grub.cfg |
| 08:14.46 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:15.00 | Scramblejams | thank you |
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| 08:15.05 | cryptopsy | cahoot: oh of course not |
| 08:15.11 | cryptopsy | i thought you were talking about the cosmos |
| 08:15.18 | cryptopsy | 'space' ~ 'cosmos' |
| 08:15.21 | Scramblejams | holding daughter with left hand, typing with right |
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| 08:18.06 | Scramblejams | array's up on 2.6.26! |
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| 08:18.23 | xk | so raid6 is loaded? |
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| 08:19.13 | Scramblejams | err, it's still md_mod and raid456 |
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| 08:20.03 | Scramblejams | --detail --scan says: ARRAY /dev/md/0 metadata=0.90 UUID=7b90adc2:f0c162d3:b17e2b04:c9783ba3 |
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| 08:20.49 | xk | ok, on my squeeze box, it's 1.2 |
| 08:20.54 | xk | (for raid1) |
| 08:20.57 | Scramblejams | hmmm |
| 08:21.33 | Scramblejams | these are 2TB drives, i cant believe i built them on etch. |
| 08:21.55 | xk | did you align the sectors? |
| 08:22.14 | xk | (not related to raid) |
| 08:22.20 | Scramblejams | hrm. i'm not sure. any way to check? |
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| 08:23.13 | Scramblejams | Think I used: mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --chunk=128 --level=6 --raid-devices=4 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 /dev/sde1 /dev/sdf1 |
| 08:23.34 | Scramblejams | (back when it was smaller by one drive) |
| 08:25.28 | xk | sfdisk -d /dev/sda |
| 08:26.30 | Scramblejams | /dev/sda1 : start= 63, size= 7807527, Id=82 |
| 08:26.30 | Scramblejams | /dev/sda2 : start= 7807590, size=1457336475, Id=83, bootable |
| 08:26.30 | Scramblejams | /dev/sda3 : start= 0, size= 0, Id= 0 |
| 08:26.30 | Scramblejams | /dev/sda4 : start= 0, size= 0, Id= 0 |
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| 08:27.12 | xk | hmm... looks like an old sfdisk |
| 08:27.36 | xk | sfdisk --version |
| 08:27.51 | Scramblejams | Oh did you actually see that? haha, oops. It booted me. http://paste.debian.net/107389/ i put it there also |
| 08:27.57 | Scramblejams | sfdisk (util-linux-ng 2.17.2) |
| 08:28.00 | xk | when it comes to >1TB drives, you have to align them on 4K sector boundary, otherwise performance will suck. |
| 08:28.25 | xk | but this is going away from your original problem :) |
| 08:28.32 | Scramblejams | And /dev/sda is a boot drive, I'll look at one of my RAID drives... :) |
| 08:28.36 | xk | is sda part of the array? |
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| 08:29.26 | Scramblejams | nope. sdb is. that gives me http://paste.debian.net/107390/ |
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| 08:29.45 | xk | http://www.jan.exss.de/debian-4k-sectors.html, copy the wdsec.sh script |
| 08:29.55 | xk | to me it doesn't look aligned |
| 08:30.04 | xk | otherwise start= would say 2048 |
| 08:30.08 | xk | instead of 63 |
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| 08:30.49 | Scramblejams | -e sdb1 .03076171875000000000 61047250.03125000000000000000 |
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| 08:30.57 | xk | yeah, not aligned from the looks of it |
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| 08:31.41 | xk | oh well... something to remember for next time, although I think squeeze onwards don't suffer from that issue. |
| 08:31.42 | Scramblejams | Interesting. I'm getting 70 megs/sec from this array. Didn't think I could be leaving much on the floor. Okay, that goes on the todo list. Thanks very much for pointing me that that. |
| 08:31.55 | xk | apparently you lose quite a bit of performance if it's not aligned. |
| 08:31.58 | Scramblejams | ok |
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| 08:32.24 | hellyeah | hey there |
| 08:32.30 | Scramblejams | yo |
| 08:32.35 | xk | ok... now for this array-not-detected issue. |
| 08:32.41 | hellyeah | Err http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates/non-free Translation-en_US |
| 08:32.43 | hellyeah | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.44 | xk | so we know it was crated on etch? |
| 08:32.56 | Scramblejams | I believe strongly it was created on lenny. |
| 08:32.56 | hellyeah | it is not working. This mirror is out of work |
| 08:32.58 | hellyeah | ? |
| 08:33.05 | xk | hellyeah: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 08:33.39 | hellyeah | there is a thing like wgetpaste. It is package for gentoo but it is very useful. |
| 08:34.12 | hellyeah | nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 08:34.16 | hellyeah | thats all |
| 08:34.28 | xk | and 1.1 is the local machine? |
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| 08:34.56 | hellyeah | yeah this opens the modem interface |
| 08:35.37 | xk | Scramblejams: hmmm... http://marc.info/?l=linux-raid&m=126359991122831&w=2 |
| 08:36.15 | rozie | hellyeah: can you ping 8.8.8.8? |
| 08:36.16 | hellyeah | xk: what do you suggest |
| 08:36.22 | Scramblejams | Hmm. Now for a time I was running .32bpo, and that worked fine, so I'm not sure if that invalidates that theory. |
| 08:36.23 | hellyeah | check |
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| 08:36.35 | xk | hellyeah: do you have a nameserver running on 1.1? |
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| 08:36.57 | hellyeah | yeah i pinged |
| 08:37.24 | rozie | hellyeah: you probably don't have (running) DNS daemon on 192.168.1.1 |
| 08:37.31 | xk | Scramblejams: ok, "mdadm --examine --scan" is the same as mdadm.conf? |
| 08:37.36 | hellyeah | xk i am not sure |
| 08:37.42 | rozie | you can start dns forwarder there |
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| 08:38.05 | rozie | or add option to DHCP to use some public one (like 8.8.8.8 which is google dns) |
| 08:38.06 | hellyeah | how can i do that |
| 08:38.18 | Scramblejams | As far as UUID, yes. mdadm.conf's ARRAY line also has level=raid6 and num-devices=4 in it. |
| 08:38.32 | xk | Scramblejams: when you boot into squeeze kernel, the actual drives (sdX) are detected? |
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| 08:38.37 | hellyeah | dhcp.conf ? |
| 08:38.56 | Scramblejams | yes, in terms of them showing up under sfdisk -l and the like. Or do you mean another way? |
| 08:39.10 | xk | (s)fdisk |
| 08:39.22 | Scramblejams | Yes, I can look at them that way no problem under .35. |
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| 08:39.56 | xk | .35? that's not the default for squeeze |
| 08:40.27 | Scramblejams | whoops, sorry, meant .32-5 |
| 08:40.41 | rozie | hellyeah: there are many ways to solve this |
| 08:40.49 | rozie | dhcp.conf is one of them |
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| 08:41.04 | rozie | dhcpd.conf on dhcp server is another... |
| 08:41.20 | LinuxGuy2009 | I have a pair of matching 500GB SATA hdds, and I tried following some youtube software raid tutorials that setup raid1. I want to use raid0 for better speed rather than redundancy. I get through it and it installs the system but grub install throws a fatal error. Is this a known issue or am I doing something wrong? |
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| 08:41.56 | xk | Scramblejams: hmm... I really dont know. |
| 08:42.04 | rozie | LinuxGuy2009: what do you want to speed up/ |
| 08:42.26 | hellyeah | btw where is dhcp.conf |
| 08:42.36 | Scramblejams | xk, well I really appreciate you talking me through it. I'll stay on .26 at the moment and see if the intertubes shed any light on it over the next few days. |
| 08:42.42 | LinuxGuy2009 | rozie: reading and writing. Raid0 splits the work in half for each drive. |
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| 08:42.48 | rozie | LinuxGuy2009: you probably may want to have /boot on separate partition |
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| 08:43.19 | LinuxGuy2009 | rozie: Happen to know where there is a guide for this? |
| 08:43.24 | xk | Scramblejams: dpkg-reconfigure mdadm |
| 08:43.31 | xk | Scramblejams: does that print any warnings? |
| 08:43.44 | Scramblejams | want it under .26? |
| 08:43.54 | Scramblejams | under .32, it gives no warnings |
| 08:43.54 | rozie | LinuxGuy2009: haven't tested raid0, but squid recommends JBOD instead of RAID |
| 08:43.57 | Kazuha | RAID0... probably (to me) the most foolish one to use. |
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| 08:44.17 | rozie | Kazuha: that's why I never set it up ;-) |
| 08:44.45 | Kazuha | Yep. Why use RAID0 when you can just mount two separate 320s as two separate disks? |
| 08:44.48 | rozie | LinuxGuy2009: software raid howto was pretty good guide |
| 08:44.52 | LinuxGuy2009 | Kazuha: Well you dont use it if you need redundency, thats not the point of raid0. |
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| 08:45.22 | Kazuha | Its that if either/any disk in a RAID0 set fails... |
| 08:45.23 | rigved | hello everyone. when i was installing debian squeeze on a virtualbox machine, in the software selection screen, i had selected everything (except laptop), i.e., LXDE DE, Mail Server, DNS Server, SSH Server, SQL database, Print Server, Base System. But later when i came back to complete the installation and rebooted, only the base system had been installed. can anyone tell me how to find out the package names which i want, so that i can install them now? |
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| 08:45.28 | Kazuha | It can lead to massive data loss. |
| 08:45.30 | xk | Scramblejams: hmmm... .32 |
| 08:45.50 | Scramblejams | ok, reboot comin' up! |
| 08:45.57 | xk | ctually |
| 08:45.59 | LinuxGuy2009 | Kazuha: Yeah if your stupid about not making backups of your files regularly. |
| 08:46.03 | xk | only on a working system would be good |
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| 08:46.37 | ZykoticK9 | rigved, you could try "tasksel" |
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| 08:47.05 | rigved | ZykoticK9: ok. will give it a try |
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| 08:47.19 | Kazuha | To make one copy of a terabyte on DVDs takes around 232 disks. |
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| 08:47.54 | Scramblejams | xk, no warnings on .26 |
| 08:48.05 | hellyeah | debian multimedia repository doesnt work |
| 08:48.40 | ZykoticK9 | hellyeah, are you using Lenny? |
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| 08:48.52 | hellyeah | squeeze |
| 08:49.02 | ZykoticK9 | hellyeah, works for me? |
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| 08:51.14 | hellyeah | ZykoticK9: seems it doesnt work for me :D |
| 08:51.20 | hellyeah | anyway |
| 08:51.27 | hellyeah | i dont understand but anyway |
| 08:51.36 | xk | Scramblejams: grep DEVICE /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 08:51.56 | Kazuha | hellyeah: What about the error it spits out when trying to update from the repository? |
| 08:53.00 | iceroot_ | what is the common way to connect to a screen-session after using ssh? i tried "ssh host; screen -RaAD" but nothing happening |
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| 08:53.19 | hellyeah | yeah when i try to update |
| 08:53.25 | hellyeah | aptitude update gives that error |
| 08:53.47 | ZykoticK9 | iceroot_, "screen -ls" then "screen -r #####" is my typical usage |
| 08:54.02 | hellyeah | debian is more succesfull than ubuntu and mint |
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| 08:54.11 | iceroot_ | ZykoticK9: screen is not working after ssh here |
| 08:54.15 | hellyeah | it is speeder |
| 08:54.28 | Scramblejams | xk, DEVICE partitions |
| 08:54.30 | iceroot_ | ZykoticK9: it should start screen automaticly after the ssh-login |
| 08:54.33 | hellyeah | anyway i come back |
| 08:54.47 | Kazuha | ... |
| 08:54.48 | Scramblejams | and under .32-5, /dev/partitions looks good, it lists all the relevant partitions |
| 08:55.14 | Kazuha | One would think that they would have the error message available.... |
| 08:56.00 | ZykoticK9 | iceroot_, i tried with both ; and && - neither worked. |
| 08:56.12 | rigved | ZykoticK9: so, i did man tasksel and was about to use it when i remembered that aptitude also has tasks. when i checked it, it showed that all the packages which i had selected during install, were actually only marked for install. wow! this is actually a better way. this way once the base system is installed, i can install all. otherwise, earlier this once, my net connection had stopped working while install debian lenny and i had to do everything again. t |
| 08:56.14 | rigved | his is awesome! thanks for you help. |
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| 08:57.16 | gueriLLaPunK | boobs |
| 08:57.19 | iceroot_ | ZykoticK9: as i said |
| 08:57.38 | xk | Scramblejams: might be an idea to contact the mdadm maintainer. |
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| 08:58.22 | neibo | set activity_hide_level parts joins quits nicks modes |
| 08:58.26 | neibo | ups |
| 08:58.42 | ZykoticK9 | iceroot_, are you trying to script something? why can't you just ssh and log in then run screen? |
| 08:59.42 | Scramblejams | xk, ok, thank you. i really do appreciate you taking the time. |
| 09:00.05 | ZykoticK9 | iceroot_, lol - no ; or && required. just "ssh IP screen -foo" |
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| 09:00.43 | iceroot_ | ZykoticK9: i want to have a shortcut on the desktop which is connecting to my server and joining my irssi-screen session automaticly |
| 09:01.16 | xk | pkg-mdadm-devel hmm |
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| 09:02.05 | iceroot_ | ZykoticK9: and "ssh host screen -RaAD" is telling me i have to be connected to a terminal |
| 09:02.44 | ZykoticK9 | iceroot_, i was able to use "ssh host screen -ls" successfully, sorry man I don't know. good luck. |
| 09:03.11 | iceroot_ | ZykoticK9: -ls is working but joining a session not |
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| 09:03.41 | ashutosh | 1) How can I figure out whether I'm running Lenny or Squeeze or Sid? |
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| 09:03.57 | ZykoticK9 | ashutosh, "lsb_release -a" |
| 09:04.11 | iceroot_ | ashutosh: or "cat /etc/issue" |
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| 09:04.29 | ashutosh | hmm |
| 09:04.31 | ashutosh | Good |
| 09:05.22 | ashutosh | Ok, so I work on one program and have just moved to Debian. Since it is unstable, I do not install it and its libraries system wide. How can I tell the system to look for its libraries where I've placed them? |
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| 09:06.38 | ashutosh | (without having to play with LD_LIBRARY_PATH that is |
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| 09:08.11 | dzup3 | two hundred seventy seven .jpg is for sale! to see the complete series please ask for price, so, whats the end? taking ths snap shot 277.jpg now! |
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| 09:11.56 | dzup3 | http://ompldr.org/vN2U4bQ/253.jpg |
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| 09:13.55 | Scramblejams | dzup3, i like the cut of your jib, and want to subscribe to your newsletter |
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| 09:16.17 | dzup3 | is not a news letter |
| 09:16.22 | Scramblejams | :) |
| 09:16.31 | dzup3 | i found a crack on that site, am sharing |
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| 09:25.00 | Technicus | Hello . . . I am having troubles with Flash all of the sudden. How can I trouble shoot this? |
| 09:26.28 | Traubert | how are you using flash? flashplugin-nonfree? |
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| 09:28.26 | joe6 | when i run grub-install, it says: /usr/bin/grub-mkimage: error: cannot stat /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/ext4.mod. |
| 09:28.29 | joe6 | grub-install (GRUB) 1.98+20100804-14 |
| 09:28.38 | joe6 | does anyone know if I need a later version of grub? |
| 09:29.01 | Technicus | Traubert: Well . . . that is strange, I just did complete removal of flash non-free, then did not reinstall, and it is working ? ? |
| 09:29.06 | joe6 | there was supposedly a bug involving grub and ext4. Anyone ware of this. |
| 09:29.20 | joe6 | please? |
| 09:30.48 | Traubert | Technicus: I guess you've got some other way to deliver it and they're not conflicting anymore or something - have you even installed it manually for some browser? |
| 09:30.52 | Technicus | Traubert: But I am trying to get the sound from Firefox to go through Logitech USB Headset. |
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| 09:31.38 | Technicus | Traubert: I only installed it once and it worked just fine, never did anything else to it. |
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| 09:31.53 | Technicus | Until I uninstalled it. |
| 09:32.09 | Technicus | Maybe something did get installed. |
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| 09:32.45 | Traubert | could be |
| 09:32.55 | Traubert | you could check to see which flash-related packages are installed |
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| 09:34.20 | Traubert | btw: does anyone know what might be going on when, in gnome, on restart the launchers for a local package (google-chrome) always disappear until I reinstall the package? |
| 09:34.31 | Traubert | also default browser preference gets unset |
| 09:35.13 | Traubert | can't find a package against gnome, but then again I don't know which part of gnome is involved anyway |
| 09:35.19 | Traubert | *bug against gnome |
| 09:36.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | Traubert: re the preferences, there is a bug open against chrome for it |
| 09:37.07 | Traubert | Kamping_Kaiser: in google's bugtracker? where's that? |
| 09:37.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | in debians |
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| 09:38.16 | Traubert | you mean chromium? |
| 09:38.44 | Traubert | can't find it |
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| 09:41.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | #612876 |
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| 09:43.20 | Traubert | ah, thanks, I didn't realise the package was called chromium-browser |
| 09:43.28 | Traubert | that's kind of like the opposite of my bug though |
| 09:43.36 | Traubert | my chrome preference gets forgotten |
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| 09:45.20 | alphanet | hello, has anyone already thought of a cloud exchange point ? Where people with too many server / storage capacity could propose their services? does that exist? |
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| 09:46.05 | sweetpi | Traubert: I've seen this, I figured it was from having chromium-browser and google-chrome installed at the same time |
| 09:46.50 | sweetpi | I imagine they would use different locations for configs though |
| 09:47.11 | Traubert | sweetpi: okay, I have them both installed now but I think the problem happened before installing chromium - I'll check to see now though |
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| 09:47.17 | xtraeme | hi |
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| 10:04.31 | dzup3 | http://ompldr.org/vN2U5aw/wtf.zip |
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| 10:08.03 | hellyeah | hey |
| 10:08.12 | hellyeah | i have a problem i installed debian but... |
| 10:08.22 | hellyeah | my graphic card wasnt recognized |
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| 10:08.53 | hellyeah | my card is nvidia gt425m anything yall meantion about that ? I stuck resolution 800 * 600 |
| 10:09.03 | hellyeah | i actually know solution for ubuntu and mint |
| 10:09.13 | hellyeah | but applying ubuntu solution is deb |
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| 10:09.20 | hellyeah | an is a good choice ? |
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| 10:14.55 | Azuos100 | please, I am installing Debian in the vmware server 2.0 and it looks like my network adapter is not working. I am using bridge, but it does not receive an ip from my dhcp server (router). Every other computer within my network receives but my vm not. I have asked at vmware channel but they could not help me, so I think someone might can help me here. any idea? |
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| 10:17.28 | alphanet | BOINC |
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| 10:20.03 | EyesIsMine|iPod | is idle for the next 10 or so hours |
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| 10:21.47 | newbie | problem report |
| 10:21.51 | newbie | there is no sound |
| 10:22.07 | hellyeah | anyone there |
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| 10:22.46 | hellyeah | 01:00.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation Device 0bea (rev a1) but there is no sound |
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| 10:23.15 | geekie | |01:30:39| jhutchins2: geekie: Care to share how? |
| 10:23.24 | geekie | I upgraded to squeeze xD |
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| 10:25.56 | up365 | hellyeah, check your volume settings in alsamixer |
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| 10:26.28 | joe6 | anyone using extlinux instead of grub2? I am sick of grub2 and its' idiosyncracies. |
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| 10:28.17 | hellyeah | weird |
| 10:28.36 | hellyeah | i cannot connect and i connect same sitw within1 minutes |
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| 10:29.10 | zitter | hi, I've dist-upgraded to sqeeze but when it was installing pkg, debain freezed. i've restarted but i have no Xorg, no gnome, and so on. I would like to restart dist-upgrade but it tells me "0 package to install", even after apt-get update. any hint? |
| 10:29.26 | zitter | sorry for typos :) |
| 10:29.46 | hellyeah | tour wireless drivers sucks |
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| 10:30.33 | hellyeah | up365 everything open there is no sound |
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| 10:36.08 | mongrol | r |
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| 10:36.09 | up365 | hellyeah, onboard sound enabled in bios? I gotta ask |
| 10:36.09 | hellyeah | yeah |
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| 10:36.09 | hellyeah | it worked on windows, ubuntu, mint |
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| 10:36.10 | finetic | Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/sudo/sudo_1.6.9p17-1_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 130.89.149.226 80] |
| 10:36.10 | finetic | how can this be fixed? |
| 10:36.34 | finetic | i need to have visudo installed |
| 10:37.14 | finetic | like nothing can be found |
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| 10:37.29 | acemi | apt-get update |
| 10:38.33 | up365 | hellyeah, but not on squeeze or is it lenny? |
| 10:38.55 | hellyeah | i am on squeeze |
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| 10:39.20 | zitter | which package manage gnome splash-screen? |
| 10:40.23 | finetic | how can i change the hostname of my system? |
| 10:40.29 | hellyeah | i am comin back in five minute |
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| 10:41.41 | dzup3 | i knew i found a bug ;) http://ompldr.org/l |
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| 10:43.56 | themill | dzup3: I'm quite unconvinced that any of the links you've spammed in here are debian related. Please desist. |
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| 10:44.35 | xk | what the hell is that site? |
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| 10:48.37 | joe6 | finetic: how about "hostname <newname>" |
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| 10:50.54 | neoice | I assume the grub-pc to grub-legacy bugs got fixed before Squeeze, correct? |
| 10:51.37 | neoice | it used to put you in a situation with a grub2 stage2 but a grub-legacy stage1.... |
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| 10:52.24 | garo | I'm a upstream dev and one of the debian users found a bug and reported it on the debian bug tracker. Can i immediately mail to BUGNUM@bugs.debian.org to reply ? |
| 10:52.48 | garo | (or do i have to create a account or something first) |
| 10:54.16 | themill | garo: yes, you can mail to that yourself; the submitter won't be Cc'd by default however. (nnnn-submitter@bugs.d.o will go to them) |
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| 10:56.08 | garo | Is there some special line or something the mail should start/end with ? |
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| 10:56.42 | garo | (for example to prevent spam) |
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| 10:58.42 | CRCinAU | I've just installed debian for the first time ever, but I'm having issues installing grub... |
| 10:58.59 | CRCinAU | the root filesystem is detected as /dev/md126p4 - which is correct |
| 10:59.33 | CRCinAU | and I can boot from the netinstall CD and mount /dev/md126p4 and see the install |
| 10:59.49 | CRCinAU | however I can't quite figure out how to get grub to install correctly to /dev/md126... |
| 11:00.02 | CRCinAU | Fedora figures this bit out by itself... |
| 11:00.07 | xyzp | i have install the firefox 3.6, But how can i start it? in the consol also i presume the filename was ice... that i has installed |
| 11:00.14 | pmurias | E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages (1) |
| 11:00.53 | Kazuha | xyzp: Which... *Fire*fox or *ice*weasel did you install? |
| 11:00.54 | pmurias | what could be causing that? |
| 11:01.10 | pmurias | and how do i determin which debian version do i have installed? |
| 11:01.25 | Kazuha | uname -r will list the current kernel. |
| 11:01.25 | xyan | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 11:01.33 | Kazuha | Or that. >_<; |
| 11:01.33 | xyzp | Kazura *ice*weasel |
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| 11:01.52 | xyan | pmurias: apt-get update again, change the mirror maybe |
| 11:02.10 | xyan | pmurias: uh sorry aptitude is recommended here of course |
| 11:02.11 | xyzp | Kazura |
| 11:02.12 | Kazuha | You can start Iceweasel by just using it from the command line (IIRC) 'firefox' may alias to iceweasel. |
| 11:02.22 | Kazuha | eg, iceweasel. |
| 11:02.25 | pmurias | what's the difference between aptitude and apt-get? |
| 11:02.35 | Kazuha | apt-get is the friendly command line one. |
| 11:02.42 | Kazuha | Aptitude is the friendly package manager. |
| 11:02.44 | nkuttler | CRCinAU: are you chainloading grub? |
| 11:02.48 | Kazuha | That is interactive. |
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| 11:03.19 | pmurias | is the way they do stuff internally different? |
| 11:03.21 | CRCinAU | nkuttler: I want to boot into grub - then chainload to run windows 7 off a seperate option |
| 11:03.28 | Kazuha | If you know the exact package you want to install, apt-get install packagename will install it. |
| 11:03.42 | nkuttler | CRCinAU: so you don't have a separate root, just the raid? |
| 11:03.46 | Kazuha | aptitude allows you to look at the packages more easily. |
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| 11:04.19 | CRCinAU | yeah - /dev/md126p1, p2 & p3 are windows filesystems |
| 11:04.34 | CRCinAU | but / is /dev/md126p4 - no further partitions |
| 11:04.49 | finetic | sudo su |
| 11:04.50 | finetic | sudo: unable to resolve host myHost |
| 11:04.56 | finetic | any idea how come? |
| 11:05.19 | xyan | malformed /etc/hosts ? borken dns? |
| 11:05.32 | nkuttler | CRCinAU: hm, never done that myself, i'd ask in #grub |
| 11:05.54 | CRCinAU | Fedora seems to set it up automagically - so I've never had to tinker manually |
| 11:05.55 | xyan | finetic: and dont sudo su, use sudo -i |
| 11:06.08 | nkuttler | CRCinAU: actually, you could just check your fedore grub config then i guess |
| 11:06.12 | CRCinAU | I tried telling it to use /dev/sda - but that failed - which I figure it would |
| 11:06.29 | CRCinAU | nkuttler: the problem is that it seems to have wiped out my fedora grub config |
| 11:06.39 | CRCinAU | hence I can't boot the system at all at this stage |
| 11:06.46 | Kazuha | Try telling it to boot by UUIDs? |
| 11:06.49 | pmurias | how can i check which version of debian i have installed? that is determin if it's lenny/etch/etc. |
| 11:06.59 | nkuttler | CRCinAU: yeah, i'd avoid device names |
| 11:07.07 | CRCinAU | Kazuha: that would help if I could even get to a grub menu :\ |
| 11:07.09 | xyan | pmurias: cat /etc/debian_version as said earlier |
| 11:07.09 | nkuttler | pmurias: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 11:07.17 | hellyeah | i want to show two logs here |
| 11:07.25 | Kazuha | Rescue disk? |
| 11:07.41 | xyan | hellyeah: pastebin them |
| 11:07.52 | CRCinAU | yeah - I'm in a rescue disk now |
| 11:08.01 | hellyeah | wait a sec |
| 11:08.04 | xyan | !tell hellyeah about pastebinit |
| 11:08.12 | nkuttler | CRCinAU: there's also #debian-boot at oftc |
| 11:08.17 | pmurias | cat /etc/debian_version shows 3.1 |
| 11:08.21 | pmurias | how should i upgrade |
| 11:08.21 | CRCinAU | oftc? |
| 11:08.31 | Kazuha | O_o what? |
| 11:08.32 | WormFood | I'm looking for some suggestions, for debian packages to be the email server and web mail interface for my customers. I've always been a big fan of qmail in the past, and can work with it well, but was looking for something that is less work on my part, and does the job well...anyone have any suggestions for debian packages that fit my requirements? |
| 11:08.37 | Kazuha | That's... Sarge? |
| 11:08.39 | nkuttler | CRCinAU: irc network |
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| 11:08.52 | nkuttler | !debian-boot |
| 11:09.20 | xyan | !telll pmurias about sarge->edge |
| 11:09.39 | xyan | !telll pmurias about sarge->etch |
| 11:09.41 | xyan | sorry |
| 11:09.53 | Kazuha | Aren't there a couple missing? |
| 11:10.03 | rocking | hi.......Everybody |
| 11:10.19 | Kazuha | Namely... |
| 11:10.20 | xyan | pmurias: ask about etch->lenny and lenny->squeeze as well, have fun! |
| 11:10.24 | Kazuha | Lenny and Squeeze. |
| 11:10.40 | jelly-home | pmurias: that's three releases behind. Consider a fresh install and migrating the data instead. |
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| 11:10.49 | hellyeah | xyan: it is log here http://pastebin.com/tQQbssht |
| 11:11.17 | xyan | hellyeah: so what your xserver does not work? |
| 11:11.30 | Kazuha | Hmm... looking at that... |
| 11:11.42 | Kazuha | I think your NVidia module may not be installed. |
| 11:11.48 | hellyeah | xyan: good to know that tool |
| 11:11.52 | hellyeah | xyan: yes |
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| 11:12.28 | Kazuha | What kernel version are you running... or more precisely... |
| 11:12.33 | xyan | hellyeah: which nvidia card do you have? |
| 11:12.34 | Kazuha | Is the nouveau module installed? |
| 11:13.06 | hellyeah | yeah |
| 11:13.13 | hellyeah | xyan: nvidia gt425m |
| 11:13.30 | xyan | hellyeah: read your pastebin lines 124 to 135 |
| 11:13.40 | xyan | hellyeah: i dont think your chipset is supported yet |
| 11:13.41 | hellyeah | okey |
| 11:13.47 | hellyeah | xyan: |
| 11:13.56 | hellyeah | but i know a solution for ubuntu |
| 11:14.01 | hellyeah | ubuntu solution exist |
| 11:14.15 | xyan | yeah newer kernel, newer userland |
| 11:14.30 | hellyeah | hah |
| 11:14.32 | hellyeah | :X |
| 11:14.42 | hellyeah | but there is nothing for debian yet |
| 11:14.45 | hellyeah | ? |
| 11:14.57 | xyan | maybe in testing or rather sid |
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| 11:15.05 | Kazuha | Well, if you want to use the nvidia binary blob (?).... |
| 11:15.07 | hellyeah | may be |
| 11:15.23 | Kazuha | You can blacklist the nouveau module and use the blob. |
| 11:15.26 | xyan | if you are experienced and love to fix things when they break you can update...o or simply stick to the proprietary driver |
| 11:15.47 | hellyeah | i love to fix something if it is possible |
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| 11:16.08 | Kazuha | Low level driver fixing does not appeal to most users... I imagine. |
| 11:16.16 | Kazuha | Even among Debian users. |
| 11:16.35 | hellyeah | kanzure: |
| 11:16.49 | hellyeah | you cant take 1600 900 resolution even 1280 724 |
| 11:16.50 | Guthur | Is there a way to lock panel icons (xfce4) |
| 11:16.57 | hellyeah | kandinski: you stuck with 800 600 |
| 11:17.31 | Kazuha | Kazuha. ãã»ãã»ã¯ |
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| 11:18.15 | Kazuha | I tried nouveau recently on the 2.6.32-5 kernel -- found it lacking. |
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| 11:18.38 | hellyeah | can you give your x!! with nouverau |
| 11:18.39 | Kazuha | And switched back to the blob because I'm not about to give up 1600x1200. |
| 11:18.46 | hellyeah | anyway i wrote driver name wrong :ÇD |
| 11:18.56 | hellyeah | hahahaha |
| 11:19.04 | hellyeah | is that right |
| 11:19.13 | Kazuha | nvidia=binary blob. |
| 11:19.17 | hellyeah | yehah totally |
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| 11:19.25 | Kazuha | nouveau=open source blob. |
| 11:19.27 | hellyeah | i dont know blob |
| 11:19.28 | hellyeah | :D |
| 11:19.54 | hellyeah | anyway |
| 11:20.00 | hellyeah | i need working X11 |
| 11:20.07 | Kazuha | (I'm using "blob" as a colloquial form of 'driver'.) |
| 11:20.17 | hellyeah | what is your graphic card Kazuha |
| 11:20.22 | g0rd0n_ | if i got a softare array with mdadm, and i wish to install grub, shall i install it to /dev/sda or /dev/md0, which sda is part of? |
| 11:20.46 | Kazuha | GeForce 7300 or 7200. |
| 11:21.01 | hellyeah | hmm, |
| 11:21.06 | xyan | g0rd0n_: depends on your raid level, mirroring works with grub the others dont afair |
| 11:21.06 | hellyeah | it is not new generation |
| 11:21.12 | hellyeah | my card is new generation card |
| 11:21.39 | jelly-home | Kazuha: that's not really correct usage, it's not a blob if it's a result of a open source->binary compilation. BLOB implies a chunk of binary data from indeterminate or irrelevant origin |
| 11:21.58 | Kazuha | I don't understand either driver. |
| 11:22.33 | hellyeah | i need solution |
| 11:22.43 | hellyeah | look in debian touch pad doesnt work |
| 11:22.47 | hellyeah | sond doesnt work |
| 11:22.48 | Kazuha | Just, the nvidia driver let me use 1600x1200, while the nouveau one stopped at 1152xsomething (and didn't permit switching). |
| 11:22.53 | hellyeah | all of them are new |
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| 11:23.11 | hellyeah | my sound card is nvidia |
| 11:23.32 | jelly-home | hellyeah: could you please write out complete thoughts and use the Enter key less? |
| 11:23.42 | hellyeah | open source is good at intel sound driver. But it is not good in nvidia sound driver i think may be i am wrong |
| 11:23.51 | hellyeah | sure sorry |
| 11:24.44 | Kazuha | lspci and google are my top recommendations for the various bits of hardware. |
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| 11:25.25 | Kazuha | Laptops can be problematic, though. |
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| 11:25.57 | knubbzelaptop | hi, i have a problem, when I put in my earphones into my laptop |
| 11:26.02 | Kazuha | (Not sure how to identify the touch pad for googling it, however.) |
| 11:26.05 | hellyeah | i have sony vaio vpcf 136fx/b |
| 11:26.08 | knubbzelaptop | I can hear sound on them w/o problems, but it doesn't mute my laptop'S speakers |
| 11:26.47 | gnarface | ok so pidgin isn't showing online ICQ buddies as online, even when they actually are. additionally, i believe it is not showing me online either, even when i actually am. i have confirmed through multiple tests that i can still send and receive messages to these "offline" buddies. google suggests its libpurple's fault. anyone have a fix? |
| 11:27.07 | Kazuha | Maybe someone in #pidgin might. |
| 11:27.13 | gnarface | interesting idea |
| 11:27.23 | xyan | knubbzelaptop: fire up alsmixer see if you have seperate headphone and speaker levels you can mute them there |
| 11:27.25 | Kazuha | wouldn't immediately know. |
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| 11:27.43 | xyan | knubbzelaptop: automatic muting is a alsa driver feature it may not work for every sound card |
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| 11:28.30 | xyan | gnarface: everything fine here with pidgin 2.7.9, did you check their bugtracker? |
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| 11:29.22 | gnarface | gnarface: i did, and everything is NOT fine. perhaps the difference is that i'm on amd64? |
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| 11:29.29 | gnarface | xyan: ^^ |
| 11:29.38 | xyan | possible |
| 11:29.39 | iceisfun | how do i install openssl devel headers with apt? |
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| 11:30.00 | Kazuha | Probably, apt-get install openssl-dev ? |
| 11:30.04 | Kazuha | I think. |
| 11:30.20 | knubbzelaptop | it's libssl-dev |
| 11:30.22 | xyan | gnarface: did you edit your xml configs or something? i head similar sympthoms after i made some changes to my buddylist once |
| 11:30.23 | knubbzelaptop | afaik |
| 11:30.29 | xyan | s/head/had |
| 11:30.42 | knubbzelaptop | ckiewiet@spearmint> apt-cache search libssl-dev ~ |
| 11:30.42 | knubbzelaptop | libssl-dev - SSL development libraries, header files and documentation |
| 11:30.46 | iceisfun | That did it, thanks |
| 11:31.03 | gnarface | xyan: not that i recall |
| 11:32.05 | gnarface | xyan: i hadn't messed with the icq config at all for quite some time. around november(?) when everyone had those login failures i did change from slogin.icq.com to login.icq.com and toggled the ssl and clientlogin checkboxes a couple times but that's it. |
| 11:32.46 | gnarface | xyan: this problem MAY have appeared at the same time but i'm not sure, it could have just been in the previous or following weeks |
| 11:32.54 | xyan | gnarface: well i dont know, did you set the appear offline option for a buddy which could cause troubles? |
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| 11:33.15 | gnarface | xyan: nope, haven't set that for anyone. i just checked all those lists too and they're all empty |
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| 11:34.10 | hellyeah | i want to use debian |
| 11:34.14 | hellyeah | i dont like ubuntu |
| 11:34.18 | gnarface | xyan: fwiw i installed pigin on a old titanium ppc mac laptop which also runs debian sid and it exhibited the same exact behavior |
| 11:34.54 | gnarface | which suggests the problem is not specific to my local ~/.pidgin OR my choice of 64-bit hardware |
| 11:35.00 | xyan | gnarface: /me shrugs... i noticed that it ignores the "show/hide when offline" setting for buddy groups but users appear online whenever they are |
| 11:35.29 | hellyeah | hey |
| 11:35.40 | hellyeah | waglewhat about wheezy |
| 11:35.51 | hellyeah | i can download wheezy image |
| 11:36.06 | hellyeah | is there wheezy image with firmware ath9k |
| 11:37.05 | mosno | hellyeah: if you're new, start with squeeze |
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| 11:37.19 | hellyeah | no |
| 11:37.24 | hellyeah | i am using debian lot |
| 11:37.26 | xyan | hellyeah: no theres a firmware.tar.gz you can put on a usb stick and the installer will grab the firmware from tehre |
| 11:37.28 | hellyeah | used |
| 11:37.46 | xyan | hellyeah: dont isntall wheezy grab the kernel-headers and install the nvidia driver |
| 11:37.52 | hellyeah | i downloaded a squeeze cd with firmware yesterday |
| 11:38.15 | hellyeah | install wheezy nvidia driver you said |
| 11:38.29 | xyan | hellyeah: no nvidias proprietary driver in squeeze |
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| 11:38.54 | DelphiWorld | hi guys |
| 11:38.57 | DelphiWorld | how to shutdown a debian machine? |
| 11:38.59 | DelphiWorld | halt is not working |
| 11:39.08 | xyan | shutdown -h 0 |
| 11:39.28 | DelphiWorld | xyan: not found :( |
| 11:39.35 | hellyeah | okey i am loooking that later |
| 11:39.39 | hellyeah | will look at |
| 11:39.39 | xyan | delYsid: are you root? |
| 11:39.44 | xyan | DelphiWorld^ |
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| 11:39.57 | xyan | hellyeah: theres a howto on wiki.debian.org |
| 11:40.01 | DelphiWorld | xyan: lol need sudo :-P |
| 11:40.11 | xyan | need privileges |
| 11:40.11 | hellyeah | for nvidia |
| 11:40.14 | xyan | yeah |
| 11:40.19 | hellyeah | i applied wiki suggestion |
| 11:40.27 | hellyeah | and my screen collapse |
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| 11:40.42 | xyan | uhh |
| 11:41.01 | hellyeah | i took nvidia-kernel-common from squeeze |
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| 11:41.08 | hellyeah | may be wheezy was better |
| 11:41.13 | hellyeah | i will look at later |
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| 11:41.39 | xyan | nah thats way too old download the .run for the latest and greatest from nvidia directly |
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| 11:41.55 | nkuttler | hellyeah: uh, no, don't |
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| 11:42.00 | nkuttler | !tell hellyeah about nvidia |
| 11:42.41 | xyan | lol |
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| 11:43.02 | xyan | what should he do use vesa? his chipset is not supported by nouveau / nv |
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| 11:43.26 | nkuttler | xyan: please don't give advice if you don't know how debian does things |
| 11:44.08 | xyan | nkuttler: he tried the packaged nvidia driver which did not work, tried nouveau which did not work .. so whats left to try? sorry |
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| 11:45.24 | xyan | nkuttler: any idea? how does debian do things? when they are done? whats your advice knowing how debian does things? |
| 11:45.31 | xyan | excuses in advance |
| 11:45.39 | xyan | buts its stupid stepping in screamin no!!!!! |
| 11:45.42 | xyan | & |
| 11:46.41 | nkuttler | !tell xyan about nvidia |
| 11:46.45 | kaktusneedle | hey y'all. i've already been on squeeze for a while and i just noticed that thoughout the years [from etch iirc] i never really updated my lilo.conf and hence my kernel. now i've set lilo to use 2.6.30-2-686-bigmem , but i am not able to install the header files for that. |
| 11:46.59 | xk | people still use lilo? :> |
| 11:47.10 | ATIM3 | I've got a Dell Latitude C600 laptop which has ATI M3 graphics. I installed Squeeze and the installation was successful and the machine rebooted. Everything looked good until GDM starts but all I am left with is a black screen and the laptop locks completely |
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| 11:47.22 | ATIM3 | The issue has been reported: http://www.linux-archive.org/debian-user/440355-squeeze-cant-handle-ati-m3s-anymore-x11-issue.html |
| 11:47.36 | kaktusneedle | specifically: when running srv:~# apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.30-2-686-bigmem i get: linux-headers-2.6.30-2-686-bigmem : Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.30 but it is not installable |
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| 11:48.09 | xk | kaktusneedle: squeeze doesn't use 2.6.30, so i dont know what you're using. |
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| 11:48.29 | kaktusneedle | xk: ok, that may be the issue. |
| 11:48.35 | kaktusneedle | what does squeeze use then? |
| 11:48.49 | xk | 2.6.32-5 |
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| 11:49.00 | kaktusneedle | mkay |
| 11:49.06 | ATIM3 | abrotman told me to create an xorg.conf by executing Xorg -configure. I tested it but the problem remains the same |
| 11:49.07 | kaktusneedle | who knows where that came from.. |
| 11:49.22 | ATIM3 | http://pastebin.com/xhHBKuie |
| 11:49.29 | xk | and there is no more bigmem kernel |
| 11:49.45 | kaktusneedle | xk: i ONLY see bigmem.. ? |
| 11:49.51 | kaktusneedle | srv:~# apt-cache search 2.6.32-5 linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem - Linux 2.6 for PCs with 4GB+ RAM (meta-package) linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem - Linux 2.6.32 for PCs with 4GB+ RAM |
| 11:49.53 | gnarface | anyone have suggestions on an icq client that does not use libpurple? |
| 11:49.57 | xk | kaktusneedle: show sources.list |
| 11:50.00 | xk | weird. |
| 11:50.11 | xk | ahhh, that's why... i'm on amd64 :) |
| 11:50.13 | xk | so no need for bigmem |
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| 11:50.53 | xk | ignore my bigmem comment ;O |
| 11:51.03 | kaktusneedle | http://pastebin.com/SKc6uEvX << should be ok then , no? |
| 11:51.07 | aguitel | xyan, you try this:http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 11:51.11 | kaktusneedle | since squeeze is the new stable... |
| 11:51.22 | xk | yeah looks ok |
| 11:51.29 | kaktusneedle | cool |
| 11:51.33 | kaktusneedle | so, install bigmem? |
| 11:51.37 | xk | yep |
| 11:51.52 | xk | how much mem does the machine have |
| 11:51.56 | xk | what cpu |
| 11:51.59 | kaktusneedle | 2 gigs |
| 11:52.06 | kaktusneedle | and uhm... what cpu... |
| 11:52.10 | kaktusneedle | who knows |
| 11:52.11 | kaktusneedle | some intel |
| 11:52.15 | xk | hmm... bigmem is only needed for >1gig eh? or >4gig? |
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| 11:52.22 | xyan | nkuttler: so you buy a gfx card for half a grand to use it with nouveau and without 3d acceleration? |
| 11:52.28 | kaktusneedle | oh |
| 11:52.29 | kaktusneedle | no |
| 11:52.36 | kaktusneedle | some amd, fuck :) |
| 11:52.42 | kaktusneedle | model name: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5600+ |
| 11:52.54 | xk | well, you can run amd64 then |
| 11:53.02 | nkuttler | xyan: no, i can read. |
| 11:53.09 | kaktusneedle | xk: whats the name of the package you've got installed? |
| 11:53.23 | xyan | nkuttler: please elaborate |
| 11:53.31 | xk | kaktusneedle: my systems are ancient, so I haven't upgraded to squeeze apart from work machines. |
| 11:53.34 | nkuttler | xyan: do you have an nvidia card? |
| 11:53.51 | xyan | nkuttler: not at home |
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| 11:54.03 | kaktusneedle | xk: all i find is this: |
| 11:54.04 | kaktusneedle | rv:~# apt-cache search linux | grep 32 linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem - Linux 2.6.32 for PCs with 4GB+ RAM srv:~# |
| 11:54.09 | xk | hmm |
| 11:54.10 | nkuttler | xyan: the bot told you all you need to know. <keyword> is something you can msg the bot about |
| 11:54.16 | xk | no linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 ? |
| 11:54.30 | xyan | nkuttler: i know how to use it and i read it |
| 11:54.36 | kaktusneedle | well unless my grep is eliminating it, no |
| 11:54.40 | kaktusneedle | :) |
| 11:55.07 | xk | weird |
| 11:55.22 | kaktusneedle | i do have a bunch of 2.6.30 's though |
| 11:55.27 | kaktusneedle | inclusive of an amd64 |
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| 11:55.42 | xk | squeeze does have 686 without bigmem |
| 11:55.51 | kaktusneedle | is confused. |
| 11:55.56 | xk | apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 11:56.00 | xk | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-2.6.32-5-686&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 11:56.04 | xyan | nkuttler: and apt-cache show told me about non existing 3d support in nouveau, nvidia dkms told me about installing nvidia-glx using dkms, as i said earlier nvidia-glx did not function at all nouveau lacks 3d support |
| 11:56.21 | kaktusneedle | http://pastebin.com/1W0BFRbc << check this out |
| 11:56.39 | xk | that is weird |
| 11:56.41 | kaktusneedle | xk: do you see something i don't ? |
| 11:56.50 | ajikeshi | WTF y do you need facebook within a pastebin |
| 11:57.07 | kaktusneedle | ajikeshi: its all about social. |
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| 11:57.20 | kaktusneedle | debugging, networks, wasting time, watching porn |
| 11:57.23 | xk | my lenny machine only shows 2.6.26 |
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| 11:57.43 | kaktusneedle | mmmm |
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| 11:58.16 | kaktusneedle | so, could it be that my repo is still outdated in a way? |
| 11:58.24 | xk | squeeze has 2.6.30 hmmm |
| 11:58.52 | kaktusneedle | ok, then i should install 2.6.30 i guess... |
| 11:58.55 | themill | not really... 2.6.32 is the squeeze kernel |
| 11:59.08 | kaktusneedle | themill: then why do i only get bigmem ? |
| 11:59.18 | kaktusneedle | check out the patebin some 3 minutes ago |
| 11:59.39 | themill | might have missed that amongst the X crash ;( |
| 11:59.46 | kaktusneedle | http://pastebin.com/1W0BFRbc |
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| 12:01.27 | xyan | nkuttler: oh im reading /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-dkms/README.txt.gz for the hardware support list and theres no geforce gtx 465 mentioned there (nvidia-kernel-dkms_195.36.31-6_i386.deb from sid).. so that solution fails well maybe the experimental package would work |
| 12:01.36 | themill | kaktusneedle: perhaps you could show us your sources.list |
| 12:02.02 | xk | probably a dodgey non-official mirror |
| 12:02.32 | xk | bah @ pastebin being deleted. |
| 12:02.37 | xk | does it only have a 5 minute memory? |
| 12:02.42 | kaktusneedle | themill: http://pastebin.com/KtzKK6EH |
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| 12:03.37 | xk | nope, it's an official mirror |
| 12:04.10 | kaktusneedle | well netselect-apt chose that one for me |
| 12:04.37 | xk | can you forcefully install 686 without bigmem kernel? |
| 12:04.47 | kaktusneedle | whaddyamean |
| 12:04.58 | xk | apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 12:05.12 | xk | it says it doesnt exist? |
| 12:05.34 | kaktusneedle | no, wait let me pastebin this |
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| 12:05.57 | kaktusneedle | http://pastebin.com/7fHy4ZyQ |
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| 12:06.31 | xk | hmm... i dunno how debian works when it comes those specific kernels. |
| 12:06.39 | xk | on my lenny system, I can see normal and bigmem kernels. |
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| 12:06.55 | kaktusneedle | curses. |
| 12:07.06 | kaktusneedle | all of this just because of damned vmware server which needs to build custom modules |
| 12:07.08 | kaktusneedle | argh. |
| 12:07.15 | xk | hah |
| 12:07.24 | xk | why not xen? |
| 12:07.55 | kaktusneedle | because it's too late. already got vmware images lying around preconfigured and stuff |
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| 12:07.59 | xk | does vmware server even support block io devices? |
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| 12:08.40 | kaktusneedle | xk: i honestly dont care. i just have to get some retardedly old version of php and zendguard to work, and i dont want to mess around with my production system too much to get this to work |
| 12:08.45 | kaktusneedle | :) |
| 12:08.50 | xk | :) |
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| 12:09.03 | xk | how old? |
| 12:09.19 | kaktusneedle | 5.2 |
| 12:09.24 | xk | hmm |
| 12:09.25 | kaktusneedle | but perhaps even 4 |
| 12:09.29 | kaktusneedle | whatever was in 2007 |
| 12:09.41 | xk | I rebuilt php 5.2.x for squeeze. |
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| 12:09.47 | kaktusneedle | that and zendguard, combined with obfuscated sketchy scripts which i dont trust |
| 12:09.53 | kaktusneedle | aka > put it in a virtualmachine. |
| 12:10.49 | kaktusneedle | xk: point is that this is the only virtualdomain which would require php 5.2 or similar |
| 12:11.06 | kaktusneedle | and its only temporary as well, so i dont want to mess with global stuff at all |
| 12:11.22 | kaktusneedle | this kernel thing is already getting on my nerver 'nogh. |
| 12:11.34 | xk | hmm |
| 12:11.45 | xk | download and install the kernel deb manually |
| 12:11.51 | xk | is the only other thing I'd try. |
| 12:12.01 | kaktusneedle | i'll try that |
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| 12:13.24 | xk | -rw-rw-r-- 1 ftp ftp 27365528 Jan 12 18:19 linux-image-2.6.32-5-686_2.6.32-30_i386.deb |
| 12:13.44 | xk | then you have to fix up vmware server modules :) |
| 12:13.55 | xk | vmware server is temperamental when it comes to the kernel |
| 12:14.01 | xk | even just rebooting, it'd want to rebuild the modules |
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| 12:15.34 | ATIM3 | I've got a Dell Latitude C600 laptop which has ATI M3 graphics. I installed Squeeze and the installation was successful and the machine rebooted. Everything looked good until GDM starts but all I am left with is a black screen and the laptop locks completely |
| 12:15.39 | ATIM3 | The issue has been reported: http://www.linux-archive.org/debian-user/440355-squeeze-cant-handle-ati-m3s-anymore-x11-issue.html |
| 12:15.48 | ATIM3 | abrotman told me to create an xorg.conf by executing Xorg -configure. I tested it but the problem remains the same |
| 12:15.50 | ATIM3 | http://pastebin.com/xhHBKuie |
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| 12:19.26 | go^ | Does anybody has xfce 4.8 on debian? |
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| 12:20.36 | prolefeed | howdy |
| 12:20.46 | bitsandwich | hello |
| 12:21.18 | prolefeed | is there a way to get the new security.debian.org key? I'm looking at the upgrade docs from 5->6 and they don't mention updating to the new key |
| 12:21.59 | gnarface | apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
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| 12:22.46 | XRaimo | hello |
| 12:23.11 | prolefeed | k |
| 12:23.12 | XRaimo | how to mount reiserfs formatted partition in squezze? |
| 12:23.31 | gnarface | the same way you would in any other version of debian |
| 12:23.34 | prolefeed | it's complaining that the sign key is invalid, gnarface |
| 12:23.48 | XRaimo | /proc/filesystems shows nothing on reiserfs |
| 12:24.01 | gnarface | prolefeed: you have to update then install the new debian-archive-keyring package |
| 12:24.16 | knubbzelaptop | XRaimo: you should compile the reiserfs module w/ the kernel then |
| 12:24.24 | gnarface | XRaimo: make sure you have reiserfsprogs installed and make sure the reiserfs module is loaded |
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| 12:24.25 | prolefeed | gnarface: nod, did that, apt-get update says "key invalid" |
| 12:24.29 | XRaimo | I need to add this partition in /etc/fstab |
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| 12:24.41 | jelly-home | knubbzelaptop: it's already there. |
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| 12:24.46 | prolefeed | XRaimo: what happens if you just mount /dev/<your reiser> /mnt/reiser |
| 12:24.51 | apollo13 | any ideas why my grub (pulled form unstable) won't detect lvm on a md raid0? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/336970/ |
| 12:24.52 | knubbzelaptop | jelly-home: how do you know? |
| 12:24.54 | gnarface | prolefeed: pastebin full output. did you install opera, by chance? |
| 12:25.15 | jelly-home | knubbzelaptop: modinfo command is my friend |
| 12:25.15 | prolefeed | nah nothing but console on this machine (server) |
| 12:25.18 | XRaimo | prolefeed, it mounts |
| 12:25.30 | knubbzelaptop | jelly-home: how is that related to XRaimo's problem? |
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| 12:25.41 | XRaimo | i cannot mount it from /etc/fstab |
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| 12:26.09 | prolefeed | /dev/hda2 /media/hda2 reiserfs defaults 0 1 |
| 12:26.12 | prolefeed | try something like that |
| 12:26.16 | jelly-home | knubbzelaptop: it will show the kernel support for reiserfs is available if you do "modinfo reiserfs". |
| 12:26.23 | XRaimo | prolefeed, it fails |
| 12:26.27 | knubbzelaptop | jelly-home: ... what? |
| 12:26.43 | knubbzelaptop | what if you have compiled your kernel w/o reiserfs support? |
| 12:27.12 | jelly-home | knubbzelaptop: you don't compile your own kernel and then go here and complain about lack of support, that'd be silly |
| 12:27.27 | jelly-home | because then you _know_ you've done that |
| 12:27.28 | knubbzelaptop | what if he didn't compile the kernel but it was compiled for him? |
| 12:27.28 | XRaimo | i'll reboot |
| 12:27.40 | prolefeed | gnarface: no opera, no X11 even this is a server. it's got debian 5.0.5 on it and it says "key invalid" on the result of apt-get update |
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| 12:28.06 | prolefeed | so i was wondering if there was a way to grab it via gpg? |
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| 12:28.13 | jelly-home | knubbzelaptop: I'm assuming the default kernel. |
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| 12:28.54 | gnarface | prolefeed: there is but you'll have to ask google. i forget the exact syntax |
| 12:29.36 | gnarface | prolefeed: 5.0.5 which one is that now? lenny? |
| 12:30.06 | OpenTokix | gnarface: yes |
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| 12:30.56 | prolefeed | yep, lenny |
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| 12:31.39 | XRaimo | it mounts well after I installed reiserfsprogs. Thanx a lot |
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| 12:33.27 | XRaimo | one more question: what name of package related to kernel sources |
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| 12:33.30 | XRaimo | ? |
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| 12:34.05 | jelly-home | XRaimo: depends on what you need them for. Probably kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 12:34.18 | prolefeed | turn on deb-src but it should b e kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 12:34.21 | prolefeed | yeah what he said :-P |
| 12:34.28 | XRaimo | sources needed by vmware |
| 12:34.35 | XRaimo | sources needed by vmware player |
| 12:34.50 | jelly-home | XRaimo: that's it, then. Also install build-essential. |
| 12:34.55 | jelly-home | no need for deb-src |
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| 12:35.46 | jelly-home | prolefeed: can you paste the actual key your apt is choking on |
| 12:36.50 | XRaimo | it's linux-headers after all |
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| 12:37.29 | jelly-home | oh, sorry about that |
| 12:37.48 | twanny796 | I have an old laptop Compaq Armada with an Intel Pentium, which is the best deb dist? |
| 12:38.01 | prolefeed | jelly-home: it's got the old 5.0.5 key |
| 12:38.25 | prolefeed | twanny796: ram? clockspeed? |
| 12:39.11 | prolefeed | also make sure your sound drivers are supported |
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| 12:39.55 | j_ | hi there |
| 12:40.04 | j_ | please, I would love to have the the linux penguin logo at boot time (when init is running things), anybody know the best way to do it in Debian? |
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| 12:40.37 | gnarface | j_: it happens automatically if you get framebuffer console working |
| 12:41.14 | twanny796 | prolefeed: http://pastebin.com/8ixmjacC |
| 12:41.20 | j_ | gnarface, how can I do that? |
| 12:41.20 | kaktusneedle | xk: anyhow, the entire thing here actually got me thinking. |
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| 12:41.44 | kaktusneedle | as i've said before i've got an amd athlon 64 x2 |
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| 12:42.02 | kaktusneedle | yet for some reason i've installed a bigmem kernel for pentium arch |
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| 12:42.05 | j_ | gnarface, I thought it comes with squeeze |
| 12:42.07 | kaktusneedle | and it works |
| 12:42.18 | kaktusneedle | has a face expression that says "wtf?" |
| 12:42.45 | gnarface | j_: only on by default in some hardware platforms |
| 12:43.54 | j_ | gnarface, please, how can I enable it? |
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| 12:44.13 | gnarface | j_: i forget i think its just a package you install though |
| 12:44.36 | twanny796 | prolefeed: http://pastebin.com/9HHSmtqX |
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| 12:46.43 | xk | kaktusneedle: shouldn't be a problem, the athlon is running in x86 mode. |
| 12:47.35 | xk | I do know that debian behaves differently based on the arch you installed... but I am not sure if it does the same for variants, too. |
| 12:47.37 | kaktusneedle | all hail the package maintiner who made the intel kernels work on amd processors :) |
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| 12:47.58 | xk | heh |
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| 12:49.04 | j_ | ok, ty gnarface |
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| 12:49.46 | gnarface | j_: maybe google or do package search for framebuffer stuff |
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| 12:55.32 | kaktusneedle | ok, every time i try to choose a 2.6.30 series kernel i get: linux-headers-2.6.30-2-amd64 : Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.30 but it is not installable |
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| 12:55.49 | kaktusneedle | ideas on what to do to solve this? |
| 12:55.59 | gnarface | j_: fyi in the past i'd always recompiled my kernel to do that, but its been a while i don't know if that is still necessary... i thought it was not |
| 12:56.26 | gnarface | kaktusneedle: i don't think that's even a current kernel. |
| 12:56.33 | j_ | gnarface, I have found a package, linux-patch-debianlogo |
| 12:56.38 | kaktusneedle | slam head on desk |
| 12:56.40 | kaktusneedle | gnarface: so? |
| 12:56.43 | gnarface | kaktusneedle: apt-get update? then apt-cache search for the right kernel version |
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| 12:57.08 | gnarface | kaktusneedle: apt-get update then apt-cache search ^linux-image |
| 12:57.13 | xk | gnarface: his system is a bit weird :) |
| 12:57.14 | gnarface | kaktusneedle: then pastebin the output of that search |
| 12:57.21 | kaktusneedle | gnarface: thats what i did. |
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| 12:57.29 | kaktusneedle | i've pasted my output a few times already |
| 12:57.42 | kaktusneedle | and there is no 2.6.32 amd version |
| 12:57.48 | kaktusneedle | but only a 2.6.30 one |
| 12:57.52 | kaktusneedle | and i am on stable |
| 12:57.52 | xk | you can't change archs. |
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| 12:58.13 | kaktusneedle | xk: in what sense? amd > intel ? or what do you mean? |
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| 12:58.27 | xk | amd64 is a totally different arch to i386 |
| 12:58.33 | kaktusneedle | well that i know |
| 12:58.37 | xk | amd64 == 64bits, i386 == 32bits. |
| 12:58.51 | kaktusneedle | mmm |
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| 12:59.16 | gnarface | ooh... it wasn't an amd64 install originally... |
| 12:59.18 | gnarface | yea that's a problem |
| 12:59.24 | kaktusneedle | ok, so i should stay on 32bit at this point |
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| 12:59.40 | xk | gnarface: his system doesn't allowing installing linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 12:59.43 | xk | not sure why. |
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| 13:00.12 | gnarface | xk: version conflict with manually created or out-of-distro kernel package perhaps? |
| 13:00.25 | kaktusneedle | no |
| 13:00.33 | kaktusneedle | i never would have installed a kernel manually |
| 13:00.36 | xk | its just not listed in apt-cache |
| 13:00.42 | kaktusneedle | ^^ |
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| 13:02.13 | xk | hmmm |
| 13:02.14 | xk | ok |
| 13:02.14 | xk | one more time, sources.list please :) |
| 13:02.14 | kaktusneedle | lets do it all in one: |
| 13:02.14 | kaktusneedle | sources.list , apt-cache search linux-image , apt-cache search linux-headers , .. ? |
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| 13:02.14 | kaktusneedle | anything else? |
| 13:02.14 | xk | ^linux-image |
| 13:02.25 | gnarface | oh wait... not just sources.list... check in /etc/apt/sources.list.d for add-on sources |
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| 13:02.47 | cast | i like it here, i almost fit in |
| 13:02.48 | kaktusneedle | ok... give me a minute. |
| 13:02.58 | kaktusneedle | cast: are you human? |
| 13:03.44 | ATIM3 | I've got a Dell Latitude C600 laptop which has ATI M3 graphics. I installed Squeeze and the installation was successful and the machine rebooted. Everything looked good until GDM starts but all I am left with is a black screen and the laptop locks completely |
| 13:03.49 | ATIM3 | The issue has been reported: http://www.linux-archive.org/debian-user/440355-squeeze-cant-handle-ati-m3s-anymore-x11-issue.html |
| 13:03.56 | ATIM3 | abrotman told me to create an xorg.conf by executing Xorg -configure. I tested it but the problem remains the same |
| 13:04.00 | ATIM3 | http://pastebin.com/xhHBKuie |
| 13:04.04 | Azrael_- | how can i disable a service beside uninstalling it? |
| 13:04.11 | debiantonio | ???? |
| 13:04.14 | gnarface | kaktusneedle: i suspect that if you installed x86 and you want amd64 libs/userland, etc you can't fix it just by installing packages - not easily or with any degree of reliability at least |
| 13:04.32 | gnarface | ATIM3: pastebin your xorg log too |
| 13:04.35 | kaktusneedle | gnarface: all i need are headers of some kind |
| 13:04.36 | EyesIsMine | Hm |
| 13:04.41 | EyesIsMine | I have a 20GB main disk |
| 13:04.45 | kaktusneedle | i could care les about 64bit |
| 13:04.51 | EyesIsMine | And a 100GB HD |
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| 13:04.55 | ATIM3 | gnarface: http://pastebin.com/xhHBKuie |
| 13:05.06 | EyesIsMine | How can I get Aptitude to install on the 100GB disk? |
| 13:05.12 | ATIM3 | sorry that was my xorg.conf |
| 13:05.28 | gnarface | kaktusneedle: well that's fucking easy. just go to kernel.org and grab the source for that kernel version, extract it to /usr/src/linux and configure it once (don't even need to compile and all default config options are probably fine) |
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| 13:06.34 | kaktusneedle | http://pastebin.com/hxtxwCzi |
| 13:06.53 | kaktusneedle | mmm, true. why didnt i think about that. |
| 13:07.12 | kaktusneedle | gnarface: do you see anything unusual? |
| 13:07.28 | gnarface | EyesIsMine: your question requires clarification. do you mean that you want aptitude to install packages to the 100gb disk instead of the 20gb disk? that's easy, just mount /usr onto the 100GB disk |
| 13:07.39 | xk | kaktusneedle: nothing in sources.list.d/? |
| 13:07.48 | ATIM3 | gnarface, by xorg log you mean the one in /var/log ? |
| 13:07.53 | EyesIsMine | gnarface: Yes, exactly that |
| 13:08.00 | kaktusneedle | xk: i cat'ed the only file in there and its empty |
| 13:08.04 | xk | kaktusneedle: its quite possible that mirror isn't updated. |
| 13:08.07 | EyesIsMine | And mount /usr onto the 100GB disk? How? |
| 13:08.12 | kaktusneedle | meh. |
| 13:08.13 | xk | could you change to ftp.tr.debian.org? |
| 13:08.22 | kaktusneedle | is tr a tld? |
| 13:08.25 | kaktusneedle | transilvania? |
| 13:08.26 | gnarface | EyesIsMine: easier if you'd chosen it during install. i'm assuming you have already installed it? |
| 13:08.30 | EyesIsMine | Ya |
| 13:08.53 | xk | http://ftp.tr.debian.org/debian/ |
| 13:08.57 | dutchfish | !tell Azrael_- about update-rc.d |
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| 13:09.20 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell kaktusneedle about tr |
| 13:09.21 | g0rd0n | i installed debian squeeze via debootstrap on my hard drive, but how do i install grub2 on it? |
| 13:09.23 | gnarface | EyesIsMine: kinda risky, but basically what you'll want to do is manually copy everything in /usr to the new drive, then delete everything that's in /usr on the old drive, then change your /etc/fstab to mount /usr on the new drive |
| 13:09.38 | g0rd0n | i am getting this error: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?). |
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| 13:09.41 | EyesIsMine | Er, okay |
| 13:09.46 | EyesIsMine | reinstalles |
| 13:09.49 | cast | Azrael_-: i use sysv-rc-conf |
| 13:09.50 | EyesIsMine | Nothing to lose |
| 13:10.05 | gnarface | EyesIsMine: yea reinstall is easier. don't have to worry about preserving permissions and all that |
| 13:10.24 | Azrael_- | dutchfish: thx but as i use squeeze and the dependency based boot sequencing update-rc.d fails |
| 13:10.24 | EyesIsMine | Ah, okay. I have nothing to lose, its a VM anyway |
| 13:10.35 | kaktusneedle | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 130.89.149.226 80] W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/updates/contrib/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 130.89.149.226 80] |
| 13:10.37 | kaktusneedle | ... ? |
| 13:10.37 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: you'll have to bind-mount /dev, /proc and /sys from out of chroot into the chroot. mount --bind /dev /mnt/point/dev |
| 13:10.42 | cast | mutters something about people not using LVM enough |
| 13:10.43 | kaktusneedle | can i ignore that? |
| 13:10.56 | gnarface | ATIM3: yes /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 13:10.56 | xk | kaktusneedle: hmm |
| 13:11.24 | xk | kaktusneedle: deb http://ftp.tr.debian.org/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
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| 13:11.47 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: (do the same thing for /proc and /sys) |
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| 13:12.27 | EyesIsMine | Hm |
| 13:12.32 | EyesIsMine | I don't like Netinst |
| 13:12.33 | gnarface | kaktusneedle: yep, that source doesn't exist anymore, if it ever did. you can't find the right packages because that's your cached package list... apt-get update hasn't been actually updating your available packages |
| 13:12.50 | kaktusneedle | xk: now i get even more errors, even regarding non-free |
| 13:12.56 | dutchfish | Azrael_-: see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%23546580 |
| 13:13.00 | kaktusneedle | gnarface: so "what do" ? |
| 13:13.01 | kaktusneedle | :) |
| 13:13.12 | gnarface | kaktusneedle: is that the computer you're currently online with? |
| 13:13.18 | xk | are you behind some internet filter? |
| 13:13.20 | kaktusneedle | gnarface: no |
| 13:13.25 | jelly-home | xk, kaktusneedle: the correct line is deb http://ftp.tr.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 13:13.27 | gnarface | kaktusneedle: i mean... you checked to make sure the network cable is plugged in right? |
| 13:13.29 | kaktusneedle | xk: no |
| 13:13.37 | xk | ok, maybe you dont need the trailing slash :o |
| 13:13.40 | EyesIsMine | Do I have to download ALL of the debian dvd .iso for a proper install? |
| 13:13.45 | kaktusneedle | gnarface: it feches some packages, but not all of em |
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| 13:13.51 | jelly-home | xk: but you do need the "debian" directory |
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| 13:14.02 | xk | woops |
| 13:14.02 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: thanks, it works better now, but still get errors when i do grub-install /dev/md0: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no such disk. |
| 13:14.02 | g0rd0n | && Auto-detection of a filesystem of /dev/md0 failed. |
| 13:14.04 | xk | i wasn't paying attention! |
| 13:14.16 | gnarface | EyesIsMine: no you only really need the first one for a standard install in english... but i recommend using the netinst or the businesscard iso, that way you only have to download the packages you actually need |
| 13:14.26 | EyesIsMine | I got the netinst one |
| 13:14.29 | jelly-home | /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 13:14.34 | EyesIsMine | Took FOREVER to download |
| 13:14.39 | EyesIsMine | I'll get number 1 |
| 13:14.49 | gnarface | wait wait |
| 13:14.50 | EyesIsMine | Hm |
| 13:14.52 | gnarface | EyesIsMine: wait |
| 13:14.58 | EyesIsMine | I can wait for an hour. |
| 13:15.18 | gnarface | EyesIsMine: you mean netinstall took forever to finish once you started it? or it took forever to download the netinst iso? |
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| 13:15.20 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: don't install grub on MD devices, install it on actual physical disks |
| 13:15.25 | kaktusneedle | gnarface: xk : http://pastebin.com/5UgbFCX1 |
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| 13:15.41 | EyesIsMine|iPod | Once started |
| 13:15.51 | gnarface | EyesIsMine|iPod: if the problem is netinst is taking too long to finish, don't install everyting! don't select "install everything" or "desktop server" or whatever. select base system then just manually install the packages you need |
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| 13:15.59 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: so grub-install /dev/sda |
| 13:16.14 | g0rd0n | heh i still get the error about md0 |
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| 13:16.18 | EyesIsMine | I only installed the base and graphics |
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| 13:16.29 | EyesIsMine | Still tried to download 1187 packages |
| 13:16.31 | EyesIsMine | Or so |
| 13:16.50 | gnarface | EyesIsMine: just install base |
| 13:16.56 | xk | kaktusneedle: ok... now to fix your security line. |
| 13:17.14 | gnarface | EyesIsMine: "graphics" is pretty big |
| 13:17.22 | xk | kaktusneedle: deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
| 13:17.22 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: yes. In a md-raid setup, I strongly suggest making a small /boot with raid1 instead of a more complex geometry, and using the most compatible metadata format for it -- 0.9 |
| 13:17.47 | g0rd0n | yeah, /boot is a 128 MB raid1 |
| 13:17.49 | g0rd0n | ext2 |
| 13:17.58 | kaktusneedle | xk: do i just add that or do i replace it instead of the squeeze/updates ? |
| 13:18.00 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: which metadata format? |
| 13:18.05 | xk | kaktusneedle: replace it |
| 13:18.06 | g0rd0n | jelly: i have no idea |
| 13:18.11 | gnarface | EyesIsMine: it IS a big system if you select everyting... keep in mind downloading the dvd will be no different except that you will download more |
| 13:18.23 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: i used mdadm --create |
| 13:18.23 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: pastebin the output of mdadm --examine --scan |
| 13:18.35 | kaktusneedle | now we're talking. no errors. |
| 13:18.52 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: the default is v1.2 and I'm not sure grub2 handles that yet |
| 13:19.01 | kaktusneedle | woot, shitload o'kernels available. |
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| 13:19.13 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/mvGb5FDf |
| 13:19.16 | xk | looks like that other mirror is outdated. |
| 13:19.17 | kaktusneedle | so, which one do i want? |
| 13:19.20 | xk | even they it's a recent one. |
| 13:19.24 | xk | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 13:19.32 | ATIM3 | gnarface, My xorg log: http://pastebin.com/uJDcrLVy |
| 13:19.36 | gnarface | fyi kaktusneedle: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html (you can see which mirrors are in good condition currently) |
| 13:20.40 | kaktusneedle | yay |
| 13:20.40 | xk | wheres error 36? |
| 13:20.43 | kaktusneedle | installing :) |
| 13:20.47 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: just updated the pastbein to include the output of grub-probe, as suggested by the error message |
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| 13:21.05 | xk | so it was a dodgey mirror problem :) |
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| 13:21.15 | kaktusneedle | damn tr.debian.org is SLOW |
| 13:21.16 | xk | even though it was a new mirror since mid-2010 |
| 13:21.19 | xk | lol |
| 13:21.40 | kaktusneedle | 70k/sec on a 100mbit machine |
| 13:21.44 | kaktusneedle | sucks. |
| 13:21.51 | xk | try debian.comu.edu.tr ? |
| 13:21.55 | xk | ftp.linux.org.tr ? |
| 13:21.55 | gnarface | kaktusneedle: 70K or 70k? |
| 13:21.59 | xk | ftp.metu.edu.tr? |
| 13:22.01 | kaktusneedle | i'm not in TR :) |
| 13:22.06 | kaktusneedle | the server is in .de |
| 13:22.10 | xk | bah |
| 13:22.14 | xk | use a .de mirror |
| 13:22.29 | kaktusneedle | replace .tr with .de ? |
| 13:22.31 | jelly-home | g0rd0n: ok, those all look like v0.9 devices. You cna verify by adding -vv to the command |
| 13:22.34 | xk | kaktusneedle: yep |
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| 13:22.49 | gnarface | ATIM3: i've got an ancient ppc mac that has that same ATI card onboard. i know it's not an equal comparison, but on the mac that card is notorious for reporting the wrong PCI bus id |
| 13:22.51 | debiantonio | ATIM3, my Nvidia card cannot KDM |
| 13:23.07 | kaktusneedle | Fetched 22.9 MB in 3s (6,238 kB/s) |
| 13:23.10 | kaktusneedle | thats better. |
| 13:23.11 | kaktusneedle | :) |
| 13:23.12 | gnarface | ATIM3: also, double check your resolution/refresh rates were auto detected correctly |
| 13:23.44 | ATIM3 | sorry guys but I am a newbie desktop user and do not understand what you say |
| 13:23.55 | kaktusneedle | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:23.59 | kaktusneedle | can i ignore that? |
| 13:24.03 | kaktusneedle | sry for ugly paste. |
| 13:24.08 | xk | hmm. |
| 13:24.27 | themill | kaktusneedle: you can ignore that if you know that the drivers listed don't need firmware for your particular hardware. |
| 13:24.46 | ATIM3 | will be back in 30 minutes or so. thanks |
| 13:24.46 | xk | kaktusneedle: lspci |
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| 13:25.40 | kaktusneedle | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 01) |
| 13:25.43 | kaktusneedle | got one of these. |
| 13:25.58 | xk | hmm... apt-get install firmware-realtek |
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| 13:27.05 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: i updated the pastebin |
| 13:27.23 | kaktusneedle | rebooting.. lets see. |
| 13:27.35 | kaktusneedle | prays |
| 13:27.50 | xk | rebooting servers 1000km+ away is never good :) |
| 13:27.54 | EyesIsMine | lol |
| 13:28.12 | kaktusneedle | xk: fortunatley i've got a free remote console available |
| 13:28.16 | xk | ah |
| 13:28.20 | kaktusneedle | takes 30 minutes to set up though |
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| 13:29.06 | kaktusneedle | and in worse case i can reboot into a rescuse system which loads via netboot |
| 13:29.20 | kaktusneedle | yay, back online |
| 13:29.25 | hans_henrik | i wanna download a debian 6 "stable" CD iso, and im abit confused when looking at the download links, and i get links like "debian-6.0.0-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent" "debian-6.0.0-i386-CD-2.iso.torrent" etc all the way to debian-6.0.0-i386-CD-52.iso.torrent, which should i choose? (the newest by date is CD-9 , if that mean anything) |
| 13:29.37 | xk | kaktusneedle: now update all yours packages, since they are all ancient :) |
| 13:29.38 | EyesIsMine | CD1 |
| 13:29.48 | EyesIsMine | Add the others if you want them |
| 13:29.56 | EyesIsMine | As far as I know |
| 13:29.58 | kaktusneedle | the damn thing is still on the old kernel. ffs |
| 13:30.02 | xk | hahaha |
| 13:30.08 | kaktusneedle | have to manually update lilo.conf i guess |
| 13:30.28 | gnarface | hans_henrik: i recommend the businesscard iso or the netinstall iso. the DVD set is really just for if you want to install to a system that has no net connection |
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| 13:31.23 | kaktusneedle | say another prayer |
| 13:31.35 | xk | you odnt need to since you have backup access ;) |
| 13:31.37 | kaktusneedle | also needs a keyboard with a working "s" key |
| 13:31.46 | karlpinc | hans_henrik: (And if you use the netinstall you won't have to manually tell your system to get it's software from the net later.) |
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| 13:33.46 | kaktusneedle | yay. finally ! |
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| 13:37.05 | g0rd0n | jelly-home: found out the problem, i had to do grub-install --recheck /dev/sda |
| 13:37.09 | g0rd0n | now i have a new problem, lol |
| 13:37.17 | g0rd0n | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:37.20 | xk | kaktusneedle: did it work? |
| 13:37.28 | kaktusneedle | xk: yep. thanks a _LOT_ |
| 13:37.34 | xk | ;) |
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| 13:39.18 | kaktusneedle | oh OF COURSE. |
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| 13:39.30 | kaktusneedle | gcc versions between kernel and installed system mismatch |
| 13:39.59 | kaktusneedle | i feel the beast is eating my soul. |
| 13:40.04 | gnarface | kaktusneedle: you will probably want to do a full update at this point... good luck |
| 13:40.23 | gnarface | kaktusneedle: pretty much everything BUT the kernel is out of date now |
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| 13:40.38 | kaktusneedle | gnarface: you mean a dist-upgrade & upgrade ? already done. i only had one package [libdevmanager] to update |
| 13:41.48 | adb | !dist-upgrade |
| 13:41.48 | dpkg | dist-upgrade tells apt to also install/remove packages when handling dependencies; security updates may require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; in lenny, aptitude calls dist-upgrade "full-upgrade" to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. See also <why not dist-upgrade> <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze> <full-upgrade>. |
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| 13:42.59 | kaktusneedle | rv:/# aptitude full-upgrade No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
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| 13:43.34 | kaktusneedle | gnarface: i have the feeling i'm up to date |
| 13:43.43 | xk | hmm |
| 13:43.51 | xk | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:43.56 | kaktusneedle | same |
| 13:44.00 | xk | upgrade? |
| 13:44.03 | kaktusneedle | same |
| 13:44.09 | xk | weird. |
| 13:44.29 | kaktusneedle | well no, i did have working repos until yesterday. i just reconfigured them when i didnt see the darn kernels |
| 13:44.52 | kaktusneedle | and i run upgrades every once in a while, the last one being this morning |
| 13:45.12 | kaktusneedle | it was probably just missing the kernels for some odd reason. |
| 13:45.53 | kaktusneedle | also, my INSTALLED gcc is NEWER than the one used to compile the kernel |
| 13:46.09 | xk | reinstall gcc |
| 13:46.15 | kaktusneedle | specifically: gcc version 4.4.5 (Debian 4.4.5-8) |
| 13:46.17 | pipeline | yep kernel is compiled with gcc 4.3, but newer gcc versions are available in the repo |
| 13:46.22 | pipeline | install gcc-4.3 |
| 13:46.44 | Sealbhach | Anyone tried the new 2.6.38 kernel in Squeeze? |
| 13:46.45 | kaktusneedle | mkay... |
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| 13:47.29 | jelly-home | Sealbhach: is .38 released already? |
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| 13:47.43 | kaktusneedle | pipeline: it appears to be already installed, yet : |
| 13:47.44 | kaktusneedle | rv:/usr/bin# ls -la gcc lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Nov 17 22:14 gcc -> gcc-4.4 |
| 13:47.47 | Sealbhach | No, it's at rc 4, I'm using it on Ubuntu |
| 13:47.48 | xyan | Sealbhach: 2.6.38-rc4 broken lcd brightness controls, broken touchpad but otherwise ok |
| 13:47.49 | kaktusneedle | that probably explains it. |
| 13:47.57 | kaktusneedle | is there an utility to select which version of gcc to use? |
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| 13:48.09 | kaktusneedle | or should i just change that symlink potentially screwing my system? |
| 13:48.20 | xyan | kaktusneedle: you can append the version in aptitude with package=version |
| 13:48.39 | xyan | kaktusneedle: oh sorry update the symlinks if you already have it |
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| 13:48.45 | gnarface | kaktusneedle: fwiw i haven't had any trouble with using gcc-4.4 for userland and letting gcc-4.3 be just for compiling kernel modules and stuff |
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| 13:49.06 | kaktusneedle | gnarface: so you just change the symlink around depending on what you're building? |
| 13:49.15 | Sealbhach | My touchpad is fine with 2.6.38-rc4, but brightness never worked on my vaio anyway |
| 13:49.15 | _pingu | I just installed debian the first time. V6.0 pert netinstall. Is there a gui to install gcc? |
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| 13:49.42 | gnarface | gnarface: no i just prepend CC="/usr/bin/gcc-4.3" on the rare occasion i need to run a command that bitches that gcc-4.4 doesn't match the version the kernel was compiled with |
| 13:50.01 | kaktusneedle | aha |
| 13:50.05 | kaktusneedle | well, i'll try that then. |
| 13:50.06 | kaktusneedle | :) |
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| 13:56.03 | _pingu | I try to install vmware tools. I'am asked for the dir of the c header files of the running kernel. which one is that? |
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| 13:56.34 | gnarface | _pingu: /usr/src/linux typically, if they're installed |
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| 13:57.04 | Guest69041 | Hi. I am new debian user. There is a firefox addon that requires newer version then the one provided by default iceweasel install. What options do I have and what which be the most 'appropriate'? |
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| 13:57.17 | bluffer | hi |
| 13:57.19 | ATIM3 | gnarface, i am back, any newbie friendly solutions? |
| 13:57.20 | variable | Guest12074: the real firefox can be installed |
| 13:57.45 | bluffer | im aware this is not a horde forum, but got problems that might be linux problem |
| 13:57.48 | Guest69041 | variable, Additional repository or source install? |
| 13:57.50 | _pingu | gnarface: they are not installed. what is it's package name= |
| 13:57.54 | _pingu | gnarface: they are not installed. what is it's package name? |
| 13:58.05 | bluffer | I need help on setting debian so horde will work with danish characters |
| 13:58.17 | gnarface | _pingu: linux-headers[your kernel version] |
| 13:58.18 | variable | my default shell is bash -but I want to start zsh anytime I use a shell (and my default shell can't be changed). I tried adding [ -t 0 ] && exec zsh; to .bash_profile which works in nearly all cases - except when mecurial tries to do a hg push :-\ |
| 13:58.31 | variable | Guest69041: http://deviceguru.com/adding-real-firefox-to-debian-lenny/ |
| 13:58.37 | finetic | on a normal webserver, what is the use of installing bind9 ? |
| 13:58.38 | finetic | (its in the howtoforge tutorial on debian 6 webservers) |
| 13:58.39 | gnarface | ATIM3: uncomment that PCI bus id line in your autogenerated Xorg.conf but make sure its set to the right thing (check with lspci) |
| 13:58.40 | _linuxftw | My current debian version sqeeze/sid, is it possible to upgrade to squeeze? |
| 13:58.47 | bluffer | tried locale-gen and even downloaded locales-all package without luck |
| 13:59.06 | Guest69041 | variable, I will check it out. Thanks. |
| 13:59.12 | ATIM3 | gnarface, sorry but I am a newbie desktop user and do not understand what you say |
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| 13:59.25 | bluffer | anyone ? |
| 13:59.52 | waterloo2005 | I use Debian 6 . Now I can not login as 'root' . Why ? thanks |
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| 14:00.09 | bluffer | when locale -a there is no danish language package installed |
| 14:00.18 | bluffer | tryed apt-get without luck to find it |
| 14:00.43 | xk | kaktusneedle: going ok now? :> |
| 14:00.55 | Guest69041 | variable, tutorial mentions 'lenny' while I am running 'squezze'. Does this makes a difference? |
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| 14:01.13 | variable | Guest69041: doubt it |
| 14:01.21 | gnarface | ATIM3: i forget off the top of my head exactly... try google? |
| 14:01.26 | gnarface | ATIM3: it's not hard |
| 14:01.47 | bluffer | ? |
| 14:02.01 | kaktusneedle | xk: besides the fact that vmware is an utter peice of unupdated crap which requires third party patches for _ubuntu_, yes. |
| 14:02.17 | ATIM3 | gnarface, i did google for a newbie friendly solution relevant to debian gnu/linux squeeze but could not find any |
| 14:02.26 | bluffer | tried google several times but no page mention how to get horde to work with danish language... thougt it is not installed on system |
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| 14:02.44 | gnarface | ATIM3: you have to google for that specific card for that specific laptop and how to set the PCI BUS ID in xorg |
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| 14:03.03 | ATIM3 | The issue has been reported: http://www.linux-archive.org/debian-user/440355-squeeze-cant-handle-ati-m3s-anymore-x11-issue.html |
| 14:03.15 | ATIM3 | but no newbie friendly solution yet |
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| 14:04.24 | thewanderer1 | hi. how do I know which sensor is the CPU temperature when I have temp1, temp2 and temp3? |
| 14:04.44 | bluffer | no one got an idea how to configure locale to get horde to work with danish language ? |
| 14:04.52 | gnarface | thewanderer1: i'd like to know that too |
| 14:04.55 | _pingu | gnarface: ok, the headers ars installed. now under /etc/src are 3 dirs. linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686, linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common and linux-kbuild-2.6.32. the vmware installer says to all 3, that thewy are not valid. why? |
| 14:04.56 | bluffer | Seems there is no danish locale om debian bpx |
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| 14:05.04 | thewanderer1 | well, I'll just compile a kernel and see... |
| 14:05.20 | bluffer | speaking to me wanderer ? |
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| 14:05.29 | gnarface | _pingu: you mean /usr/src i assume.... and you need to symlink one of them with /usr/src/linux |
| 14:05.30 | bluffer | not a solution it is a running system |
| 14:05.34 | thewanderer1 | bluffer: sorry, no |
| 14:05.55 | gnarface | _pingu: or wait... i do'nt remember... maybe it shoudl work |
| 14:05.57 | ATIM3 | I've got a Dell Latitude C600 laptop which has ATI M3 graphics. I installed Squeeze and the installation was successful and the machine rebooted. Everything looked good until GDM starts but all I am left with is a black screen and the laptop locks completely |
| 14:06.01 | thewanderer1 | does Horde require a locale anyway? |
| 14:06.01 | ATIM3 | The issue has been reported: http://www.linux-archive.org/debian-user/440355-squeeze-cant-handle-ati-m3s-anymore-x11-issue.html |
| 14:06.10 | bluffer | is it so difficult to install extra locales on running system ? |
| 14:06.10 | _linuxftw | Is sid always the unstable distribution? |
| 14:06.13 | ATIM3 | abrotman told me to create an xorg.conf by executing Xorg -configure. I tested it but the problem remains the same |
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| 14:06.22 | thewanderer1 | _linuxftw: yes |
| 14:06.23 | bluffer | thewanderer : Cant get it to run danish... |
| 14:06.24 | _pingu | gnarface: yes, I mean /usr/src |
| 14:06.26 | ATIM3 | gnarface, by xorg log you mean the one in /var/log ? |
| 14:06.33 | _linuxftw | And is it possible to downgrade from sid to stable? |
| 14:06.34 | thewanderer1 | bluffer: okay, what steps were you trying? |
| 14:06.40 | thewanderer1 | _linuxftw: rather not |
| 14:06.44 | ATIM3 | My xorg log: http://pastebin.com/uJDcrLVy |
| 14:06.49 | bluffer | wanderer >> tried setting it inside program, but return to default = english |
| 14:07.01 | ATIM3 | My xorg.conf : http://pastebin.com/xhHBKuie |
| 14:07.04 | _linuxftw | What if I just removed all the unstable packages and replaced them with stable versions? |
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| 14:07.29 | xyan | bluffer: did you read /usr/share/doc/horde3/TRANSLATIONS.gz ? maybe theres a hint |
| 14:07.32 | _pingu | gnarface: if I ignore the not valid, which one of the 3 dirs should I set? |
| 14:07.34 | bluffer | wanderer : the normal in options inside horde... it says it is danish but it reload all time in english even ctrl+f5 didnt work |
| 14:07.34 | thewanderer1 | ATIM3: driver problems... tried some other driver, like 'ati', 'radeon', 'radeonhd' or even fglrx? |
| 14:07.43 | gnarface | ATIM3: i forget what i told you. your config is in /etc/X11 your log is in /var/log |
| 14:07.51 | xyan | bluffer: horde ships with da_DK translation so it should be possible (im not using it so i cant tell you how) |
| 14:08.07 | gnarface | _pingu: the one that has header files in it! |
| 14:08.16 | bluffer | xyan : yes... but setting it even in config files doesnt make a difference |
| 14:08.34 | thewanderer1 | bluffer: can you see the translation in some directory? |
| 14:08.38 | bluffer | xyan / wanderer : tried several different things to get it to run and :-/ |
| 14:08.48 | bluffer | wanderer ... one moment ill look |
| 14:08.52 | themill | bluffer: have you installed the same danish locale on the host machine |
| 14:08.53 | thewanderer1 | usually this behaviour would be caused by missing language files and the web application falling back to English |
| 14:09.06 | thewanderer1 | themill: would Horde really need a locale installed? it's a web app... |
| 14:09.23 | thewanderer1 | I'd be surprised if it used gettext |
| 14:09.42 | themill | thewanderer1: php can (and should) use gettext and for that you need the locale installed |
| 14:09.55 | bluffer | wanderer : is it in a library : |
| 14:10.05 | hans_henrik | is there some low-resource "desktop environment" available? (looking in the LiveCD; i can chose between KDE/LXDE/Xfce), got limited (512 mb) ram |
| 14:10.06 | thewanderer1 | I know it can... the question is, does Horde use gettext or not |
| 14:10.12 | _pingu | gnarface: common and 686 have both .h files in it |
| 14:10.19 | xyan | bluffer: check for /usr/share/horde3/locale/da_DK/ |
| 14:10.19 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: even squirrelmail uses gettext |
| 14:10.22 | hans_henrik | is there some low-resource "desktop environment" available? (looking in the netinst CD; i can chose between KDE/LXDE/Xfce), got limited (512 mb) ram* |
| 14:10.30 | bluffer | .../horde/locale got several languages |
| 14:10.37 | themill | ,suggests horde3 |
| 14:10.38 | judd | Package horde3 -- suggests: imp4, turba2, gollem, chora2, kronolith2, mnemo2, webcpp, xlhtml, ppthtml, wv, source-highlight, enscript, rpm, php5-mhash, gettext, php-net-imap, libgeoip1, unrtf, libwpd-tools, php5-auth-pam. |
| 14:10.44 | defunkt | hans_henrik, use kde... |
| 14:10.47 | ATIM3 | thewanderer1, the correct driver is r128 according what i found on google. using any other driver or wrong configuration with it can fry the laptop's screen |
| 14:10.48 | themill | I'd take that as a "yes" |
| 14:10.51 | thewanderer1 | hm, so yes, "suggests" |
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| 14:11.13 | gnarface | _pingu: i'm not sure. i don't use vmware |
| 14:11.16 | thewanderer1 | ATIM3: hm, okay. try searching for the exact model, driver name and linux :P |
| 14:11.30 | bluffer | xyan : it is installed in /usr/share/horde/locale/da_DK/ |
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| 14:11.50 | ATIM3 | gnarface, i did google for a newbie friendly solution relevant to debian gnu/linux squeeze but could not find any |
| 14:11.53 | thewanderer1 | bluffer: so run `dpkg-reconfigure locales` and enable da_DK |
| 14:11.54 | _pingu | gnarface: ok, thanks. |
| 14:11.56 | bluffer | judd... did use this installation to install it : |
| 14:12.07 | bluffer | wanderer does that work on ssh ? |
| 14:12.11 | ATIM3 | thewanderer1 , i did google for a newbie friendly solution relevant to debian gnu/linux squeeze but could not find any |
| 14:12.12 | prolefeed | hey i figured it out; you have to go |
| 14:12.17 | thewanderer1 | bluffer: yes |
| 14:12.17 | jelly-home | hans_henrik: lxde is fairly low-resource. Definitely better in that regard than Gnome or KDE |
| 14:12.21 | gnarface | ATIM3: i recommend googling for a NON_noobie friendly solution, and doing some reading |
| 14:12.29 | xyan | bluffer: locale -a does not list da_DK locales? |
| 14:12.31 | bluffer | wanderer : what happens with the other languages installes ? |
| 14:12.42 | bluffer | xyan : no it does not, already tried that one |
| 14:12.47 | xyan | bluffer: if so edit /etc/locale.gen comment out your da_DK locales there, run locale-gen |
| 14:13.00 | ATIM3 | the only non newbie solution i found was : http://www.linux-archive.org/debian-user/440355-squeeze-cant-handle-ati-m3s-anymore-x11-issue.html |
| 14:13.02 | thewanderer1 | bluffer: you just select the ones you need |
| 14:13.06 | bluffer | i dotn got a locales.gen file |
| 14:13.11 | thewanderer1 | bluffer: it is a multi select so you can enable or disable stuff... |
| 14:13.40 | bluffer | wanderer : it is a running installation and i dont need english language to get removed |
| 14:14.00 | prolefeed | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 473041FA (the new key) then go gpg --armour --export 473041FA > new.asc |
| 14:14.05 | prolefeed | then you can apt-key add that |
| 14:14.09 | prolefeed | sheesh. |
| 14:14.39 | go^ | argh!!! --> my pc doesn't see USB! can anyone help me, please? |
| 14:14.40 | go^ | root@doso:/dev# lsmod | grep usb |
| 14:14.40 | go^ | root@doso:/dev# |
| 14:14.50 | thewanderer1 | bluszcz: sure... just leave English as tagged, it will not remove the languages which you have selected |
| 14:14.50 | prolefeed | wow. |
| 14:14.51 | bluffer | is locales.gen just a normal txt file ? |
| 14:14.56 | thewanderer1 | bluffer: /etc/locale.gen |
| 14:15.00 | xyan | yes |
| 14:15.03 | _pingu | gnarface: after installation of the header files and a restart, the vmware installer detects /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/build/include as valid linux header files path |
| 14:15.09 | prolefeed | go^: that's pretty awesome, i wish my pc did that. i hate usb devices. |
| 14:15.11 | bluffer | wanderer : doesnt got that file locales.gen |
| 14:15.19 | prolefeed | go^: leave that as a security feature :-P |
| 14:15.25 | thewanderer1 | bluffer: without S in the end - locale.gen |
| 14:15.34 | go^ | prolefeed, lol |
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| 14:15.37 | bluffer | and i dont got that one either |
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| 14:15.42 | gnarface | _pingu: hooray! |
| 14:15.58 | thewanderer1 | bluffer: what does `dpkg -l locales` say? |
| 14:16.29 | bluffer | ii locales 2.7-18lenny7 GNU C Library: National Language (locale) da |
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| 14:17.02 | thewanderer1 | bluffer: alright. so `nano /etc/locale.gen` and you should be able to edit the file |
| 14:17.08 | thewanderer1 | (as root) |
| 14:17.24 | go^ | :| |
| 14:17.36 | hans_henrik | what is the default desktop envorment when installing from netinst? |
| 14:17.51 | go^ | hans_henrik, has no de with netinst... |
| 14:17.59 | xyan | hans_henrik: gnome, but none if you dont select it |
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| 14:18.17 | bluffer | wanderer : done |
| 14:18.31 | thewanderer1 | bluffer: so did you de-comment your locale? |
| 14:18.41 | bluffer | yes and saved it |
| 14:18.50 | thewanderer1 | okay... now run `locale-gen` |
| 14:18.57 | thewanderer1 | it should list your language, verify it |
| 14:18.58 | xyan | and make sure gettext is installed |
| 14:19.08 | bluffer | hmmm... gettext ? |
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| 14:19.17 | thewanderer1 | it is standard, it must be installed |
| 14:19.20 | bluffer | it did make a da file... thanks so far |
| 14:19.22 | xyan | php uses that for translation |
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| 14:19.29 | alegar | hi |
| 14:19.33 | bluffer | i try it horde works now one momemnt pls |
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| 14:20.16 | bluffer | thanks that all that was needed.... |
| 14:20.32 | xyan | bluffer: every of these steps is documented in /usr/share/doc/horde3/TRANSLATIONS.gz btw |
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| 14:20.50 | _pingu | yeah, works. (-: |
| 14:21.13 | bluffer | xyan : I have been several places including php.net and horde and didnt find out hot to fix the locale da problem but thanks... |
| 14:21.30 | bluffer | I need document it on howtoforge.com forum for other guy who helped me |
| 14:21.38 | bluffer | brb 10 minutes |
| 14:21.46 | xyan | bluffer: /usr/share/doc/<package-name> should be the first thing to watch out for, then manpages, google and whatnot |
| 14:21.46 | bluffer | and thanks for your help |
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| 14:23.29 | thewanderer1 | is there a package like apt-listbugs but one that will list the documentation in /usr/share/doc for a given package? |
| 14:23.56 | xyan | obviously not, but i thought about something like that as well |
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| 14:24.09 | thewanderer1 | well... |
| 14:24.15 | thewanderer1 | coming up with one in 10 minutes |
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| 14:24.50 | xyan | thewanderer1: ok spent another 10 minutes and make the documentation available without the need to install the package :p |
| 14:24.57 | brisingr | clicked urls in apps don't honor the default browser; I have traced the problem to gvfs-open and/or gnome-open but now I'm stuck. From where do these programs take information about the default application? tried to set in gconf, /etc/alternatives and "preferred application" but urls still open with the wrong browser. |
| 14:25.03 | versificator | allo. do debian pkgs ship with DEB_BUILD_HARDENING=1 by default? |
| 14:25.03 | EyesIsMine | Grah |
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| 14:25.17 | thewanderer1 | xyan: I'd need infrastructure for that... which is not in place |
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| 14:25.18 | EyesIsMine | Whats the min memory for Debian? |
| 14:25.25 | EyesIsMine | Its eating up my system in a virtual box |
| 14:25.27 | versificator | EyesIsMine works on 128MB |
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| 14:25.30 | EyesIsMine | Ah |
| 14:25.32 | thewanderer1 | EyesIsMine: currently 64MB |
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| 14:25.45 | EyesIsMine | I'll change it to 1024MB then |
| 14:25.55 | versificator | EyesIsMine ffox is a mem hog btw. |
| 14:26.03 | xyan | thewanderer1: yeah i think there was a discussion about a feature like that for aptitude which finally was abandoned due to the missing infrastructure |
| 14:26.08 | EyesIsMine | ffox? |
| 14:26.10 | themill | thewanderer1: "dpkg -L $packag | grep /usr/share/doc"; also look at doc-central |
| 14:26.21 | versificator | firefox/pheonix/whatever it's called these days |
| 14:26.30 | EyesIsMine | I'm only in the installation wizard :-/ |
| 14:26.37 | xk | phoenix... that's so long ago! |
| 14:26.39 | thewanderer1 | themill: yes, I know about this command - was going to make a script and hook into apt, like apt-listbugs does |
| 14:26.48 | versificator | i still have the install for it heh |
| 14:27.40 | versificator | what happened to the #hardened-debian and the hardened debian prject and Deb SbD? It looks like it died in 2004 and nothing's been released... not even a reason why it died? |
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| 14:27.58 | xk | it died because they all hardened to stone |
| 14:28.40 | versificator | well ok more importantly, do debian pkgs ship with these compiler options -- http://wiki.debian.org/Hardening --(do the pkg maintainers use DEB_HARDENED_BUILD?) |
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| 14:29.57 | themill | dpkg: tell thewanderer1 about doc-base |
| 14:29.59 | thewanderer1 | versificator: this variable only affects the wrapper script which sets g++/gcc options, so the options can as well be in the makefile... |
| 14:30.20 | variable | my default shell is bash -but I want to start zsh anytime I use a shell (and my default shell can't be changed). I tried adding [ -t 0 ] && exec zsh; to .bash_profile which works in nearly all cases - except when mecurial tries to do a hg push :-\ |
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| 14:30.48 | thewanderer1 | themill: I know... but I'd have to install *all* packages on one system to make the "infrastructure" available |
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| 14:31.03 | themill | eh? |
| 14:31.18 | thewanderer1 | e.g. to display the doc before installing the package |
| 14:31.28 | versificator | thewanderer1: so hrm i guess they only hardened sendmail and openssh (i think that's what this webpage is saying) |
| 14:31.31 | themill | there's not much need for that |
| 14:31.51 | thewanderer1 | hmm, perhaps |
| 14:31.52 | thewanderer1 | okay |
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| 14:31.57 | thewanderer1 | be right back :P |
| 14:32.43 | xyan | variable: why cant you change your default shell? did you try the chsh command (with your user password) yet? |
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| 14:34.02 | variable | xyan: because its on a networked machine where the default shell comes from ldap and the sysadmin will only let me choose bash or tcsh. He was nice enough to install zsh though :-) |
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| 14:36.40 | xyan | variable: so you test for an opened stdout what happens if you use something like [ -t 0 ] || [ ! -t 0 ] && zsh |
| 14:36.42 | EyesIsMine | Would my system fail hard if I tried to install 27,000 packages? |
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| 14:37.13 | EyesIsMine | Might be more, I think it's acutally 278,000 |
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| 14:37.45 | brisingr | EyesIsMine: it is not possible to install all applications as they conflict. |
| 14:37.53 | EyesIsMine | Awww. |
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| 14:38.16 | EyesIsMine | Will Aptitude auto-detect the conflicting packages? |
| 14:38.24 | brisingr | EyesIsMine: yes |
| 14:38.28 | EyesIsMine | Yay |
| 14:38.40 | EyesIsMine | aptitudes the entire Not installed section |
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| 14:39.49 | variable | xyan: still fails |
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| 14:40.55 | xyan | variable: do you source your .bashrc in .bash_profile for noninteractive shells? |
| 14:41.13 | variable | xyan: no |
| 14:41.16 | xyan | try that |
| 14:41.28 | variable | how does that help ? |
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| 14:42.02 | variable | xyan: the goal is *not* to start zsh when hg is logging in |
| 14:42.17 | xyan | woops |
| 14:42.24 | xyan | misread that |
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| 14:42.49 | xyan | then check for the variable $USER ? |
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| 14:44.22 | variable | xyan: hg logs in as me... |
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| 14:46.21 | variable | xyan: ssh g7 "hg -R .conf/ serve --stdio" -> this is the command that gets run |
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| 15:01.25 | xyan | variable: [ -z "`grep "hg -R" /proc/$$/cmdline`" ] && exec zsh |
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| 15:04.21 | variable | xyan: alright. To make it more portable I should probably use pgrep -P $$ instead of /proc - but I get the point |
| 15:05.06 | xyan | variable: you are quite limited in bashrc anyway for example that grep prints rubbish before the actual content of /proc/$$/cmdline |
| 15:05.18 | xyan | you can use /proc/self/cmdline of course |
| 15:05.36 | variable | xyan: why does it print rubbish? I'd like to avoid the use of /proc :-\ |
| 15:05.45 | variable | its not portable |
| 15:05.47 | xyan | yeah didnt find a solution |
| 15:05.50 | xyan | i dont know why it does |
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| 15:06.49 | variable | alright - thanks |
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| 15:21.48 | Bert_2 | Hi, I'm trying to force the installation of a package with a version dependancy error, what is the recommended method to do this from the command line ? |
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| 15:25.16 | dutchfish | Bert_2: apt-get -f foo , but that doesnt solve deps of couse |
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| 15:26.09 | Bert_2 | dutchfish: it still refuses then |
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| 15:26.16 | acxty | Hi guys, I have a problem on etch. It is showing segmentation fault every time I try doing something, even with ls |
| 15:26.26 | acxty | what may be causing it? |
| 15:27.02 | dutchfish | Bert_2: can you pastebin your command and output to pastebin? |
| 15:27.22 | versificator | whoa etch? |
| 15:27.28 | versificator | how are you keeping that updated? |
| 15:27.33 | EyesIsMine | Etch? |
| 15:27.40 | EyesIsMine | Etcha-sketch! |
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| 15:28.18 | acxty | sorry is a lenny |
| 15:29.20 | acxty | It keey showin segmentation fault |
| 15:29.31 | brisingr | acxty: I once had this problem |
| 15:29.32 | acxty | keep* |
| 15:29.42 | acxty | brisingr: how did you solve it? |
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| 15:29.55 | brisingr | acxty: there's the problem. I couldnt |
| 15:30.06 | brisingr | acxty: but I didn't try hard, though |
| 15:30.09 | brisingr | acxty: does it show only after an update? |
| 15:30.17 | Bert_2 | dutchfish: here you go http://pastebin.com/e0tk8ryY |
| 15:30.42 | beware | after upgrading to squeeze using apt-get dist-upgrade, after reboot, the system was unusable. there were no /dev entries for sda and so mount/fsck failed and it gave a rescue shell |
| 15:30.53 | acxty | brisingr: no update have been made lately |
| 15:31.15 | beware | there were other /dev entries and udev was reported to be running |
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| 15:31.37 | OpenTokix | beware: Maybe the order of the devices changed |
| 15:31.38 | dutchfish | Bert_2: is this an ubuntu install? |
| 15:31.50 | OpenTokix | beware: didn't you switch to uuid's? |
| 15:32.21 | beware | i use the same kernel in both situations, 2.6.35.11, custom compiled. i checked /etc/fstab and saw no uuids |
| 15:32.27 | Bert_2 | dutchfish: my desktop is, but I'm trying to do the same thing on my debian server |
| 15:32.52 | Bert_2 | it was just quicker on my desktop (too lazy to open up the ssh connection right now) |
| 15:33.14 | Bert_2 | dutchfish: or do you reckon the -f option works on debian ? |
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| 15:33.27 | dutchfish | Bert_2: 1. you should'nt mix 2. you could try to search for a newer package on bpo 3. If there isnt, ask dpkg about simple backport form sid |
| 15:34.07 | beware | this system isn't in production (i was preparing it to be), and i'll be reinstalling this with squeeze from scratch, but i thought i'd report this issue |
| 15:34.08 | dutchfish | !tell Bert_2 about ssbp |
| 15:34.19 | brisingr | acxty: was there any change at all you did prior to rebooting? |
| 15:34.35 | beware | this makes me afraid of upgrading other systems to squeeze |
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| 15:34.40 | Bert_2 | dutchfish: I'm using a few packages from repo's that have version issues (getdeb etc.) and that's why I have version problems |
| 15:34.51 | Bert_2 | I don't want any other packages, I want to force install it ;) |
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| 15:36.51 | dutchfish | Bert_2: i would not recommend it, because it will break your system. But here is how i do it. Download the deb and execute: dpkg -i --force-depends package.deb |
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| 15:37.55 | Bert_2 | dutchfish: thx, I think I found something already |
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| 15:39.29 | chipotle | github is basically a way to track all the changes you make to a server, and to add notes for other developers on the server so they know why you did whatever change you made? |
| 15:40.03 | bluffer | question : debian where do i find : MIME magic database ? |
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| 15:40.43 | bluffer | also imagemagick convert program ? |
| 15:40.51 | acxty | brisingr: no new changes |
| 15:41.34 | rocking | hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
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| 15:42.48 | brisingr | acxty: that's really strange. when it happened to me, I was resizing encrypted partitions |
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| 15:46.15 | dutchfish | bluffer: shared-mime-info |
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| 15:48.37 | EyesIsMine | What causes the Aptitude download to be "stalled"? |
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| 15:49.16 | bluffer | dutchfish ? not understood |
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| 15:49.28 | dutchfish | bluffer: you can use mime.h from imagemagick into your own code from the -dev package. |
| 15:49.30 | brisingr | acxty: sorry for exit |
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| 15:50.00 | dutchfish | bluffer: aptitude show shared-mime-info |
| 15:50.00 | bluffer | problem is pics is not showing up in html messages on horde |
| 15:50.35 | dutchfish | bluffer: no idee about that |
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| 15:53.26 | dutchfish | bluffer: Make sure that your logging is turned |
| 15:53.36 | dutchfish | all the way up for both your webserver and the horde log. That would prolly reveal it. |
| 15:53.56 | bluffer | i try see inside horde.log first |
| 15:54.28 | dutchfish | !tell bluffer about ask |
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| 15:55.25 | bluffer | nothing inside horde.log just login/logout |
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| 16:00.05 | brisingr | acxty: hmm, sorry for long delay, kinda mind-boggling |
| 16:00.43 | bluffer | how do i block one ip-address from accessing webserver permanent ? |
| 16:00.56 | bluffer | trying to hack server i can see from logfiles |
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| 16:01.56 | rocking | hiii |
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| 16:02.47 | ssacc | hey, simple linux question: how can i make a directory and immeadiately navigate to that dir with ONE command? |
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| 16:04.11 | kukibird1 | ssacc: mkdir test && cd test |
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| 16:06.11 | ssacc | kukibird1: the && cd test part is what i want to avoid, a mkdir -cd flag would be cool |
| 16:06.37 | mah454 | How many Package have in Debian DVD's ? |
| 16:06.44 | EyesIsMine | LOTS |
| 16:06.48 | ssacc | problem is mkdir -R /a/very/long/path && cd /a/very/long/path |
| 16:06.55 | EyesIsMine | How many dvd;s are there? |
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| 16:07.13 | justin | ssacc: function mcd { mkdir $1 && cd $1;} |
| 16:07.16 | justin | ssacc: ohhh |
| 16:07.18 | brisingr | EyesIsMine: I think they're 5 |
| 16:07.21 | EyesIsMine | 5? |
| 16:07.24 | justin | ssacc: mkdir -R /a/very/long/path |
| 16:07.29 | justin | ssacc: cd alt-. |
| 16:07.40 | ssacc | justin: ? |
| 16:07.50 | justin | no, not ?, . |
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| 16:08.11 | brisingr | EyesIsMine: correction, 8 |
| 16:08.26 | EyesIsMine | Ah |
| 16:08.31 | ssacc | justin: alt-. is a feature that i wasn' t aware of |
| 16:08.55 | EyesIsMine | 36GB of packages combined |
| 16:08.57 | EyesIsMine | Roughly |
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| 16:09.41 | ssacc | justin: what does cd alt-. do? |
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| 16:10.12 | brisingr | EyesIsMine: a rough calculation indicates that about 95% of packages are present on DVDs |
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| 16:13.29 | EyesIsMine | Does anyone know why my Aptitude keeps stalling on download? |
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| 16:13.37 | EyesIsMine | It even says (stalled) |
| 16:14.29 | brisingr | EyesIsMine: it's either stalled, which indicates bad internet, or it's still buffering the speed calculator |
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| 16:14.55 | EyesIsMine | I'm hitting speeds of 1.5MB/s with this connection |
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| 16:18.17 | brisingr | EyesIsMine: no idea. |
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| 16:28.17 | Sealbhach | Hi. If I move from Ubuntu to Debian, will I have problems if I use my old Ubuntu /home folder? Any problems with config files? What's the experience? |
| 16:28.45 | manhunter | Sealbhach, no |
| 16:29.03 | manhunter | Sealbhach, no problem |
| 16:29.10 | Sealbhach | OK, sounds good |
| 16:29.25 | themill | Sealbhach: possibly. |
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| 16:29.57 | Sealbhach | What might cause problems? I can't think of anything except gnome settings |
| 16:31.32 | themill | Sealbhach: any program that has a different config file format between the two distributions; gnome being an obvious problem. |
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| 16:33.35 | Sealbhach | OK, but I wouldn't think there are any major differences. I'm going to try it anyway, for the fun. Thanks |
| 16:34.24 | dforthman | Yo - Why does my rt61 wireless pci card work on Ubuntu but not Debian 6? Everything I find online says to compile a vanilla kernel. Is there a way to get it working that doesn't involve so much work? |
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| 16:34.42 | EyesIsMine | You already did |
| 16:34.49 | EyesIsMine | (16:34:20)Everything I find online |
| 16:35.06 | manhunter | what the latest version of debian kernel you have got? 2.6.32 .. |
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| 16:35.20 | justin | dforthman: did you install the firmware packages? |
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| 16:36.04 | dforthman | Sorry, I'm on an Ubuntu live cd so I don't have that information. Maybe I'll reboot, save some logs, and then run the live cd again. |
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| 16:48.22 | waterloo2005 | How to install Chromium 9 in Debian 6 ? thanks . Backports ? |
| 16:49.34 | cinix_ | waterloo2005: I see version 0.9.14.1-2 in squeeze right now, is that what you want? |
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| 16:50.39 | waterloo2005 | cinix_, I mean chromium browser , what u said is a game . |
| 16:50.50 | cinix_ | Oh your rigth |
| 16:51.11 | cinix_ | yea only version 6 in squeeze |
| 16:51.32 | cinix_ | I don't know about chromium, but you can get deb packages for the Google version of the browser. |
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| 16:53.47 | reavengrey | Whoa, nice |
| 16:53.47 | rubenfonseca | hi. I'm trying to try a patch on libtorrent (squeeze) but I'm failling. I've used apt-get source libtorrent, but inside the libtorrent-0.12.6/ I only have the upstream .tar.gz and the debian/ folder. Isn't it supposed to be expanded, so I can hack it? |
| 16:53.55 | reavengrey | Squeeze is stable now |
| 16:53.59 | rubenfonseca | (total n00b here, must be related to Git somehow) |
| 16:54.02 | reavengrey | *Download* |
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| 16:55.01 | InfectedSoul | can you have two iface eth0 static in ur network interfaces? |
| 16:55.22 | InfectedSoul | so like this http://pastebin.com/abpxfAmY |
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| 16:55.55 | iceroot_ | InfectedSoul: that is ipv4 + pv6 |
| 16:56.08 | InfectedSoul | ya i need both :) |
| 16:56.12 | InfectedSoul | i just did the ipv6 |
| 16:56.27 | InfectedSoul | so it will be fine? |
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| 16:57.34 | manhunter | what the latest version of debian kernel you have got? 2.6.32 .. |
| 16:58.02 | InfectedSoul | ya |
| 16:58.12 | reavengrey | Hi, could someone answer rubenfonseca 's question? |
| 16:58.28 | reavengrey | Specifically, if I want to apt-get source <foo> |
| 16:58.32 | reavengrey | Then apply a patch to it |
| 16:58.38 | reavengrey | I suppose I should extract the source |
| 16:58.41 | reavengrey | Then extract the patch |
| 16:58.54 | reavengrey | Aply, and dpkg rebuild? |
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| 16:59.55 | rubenfonseca | reavengrey: oh should I have to extract, patch, and then create the .tar.gz again? |
| 17:00.32 | reavengrey | Well, I'm asking so they could answer you and I'll know :/ |
| 17:00.41 | ZykoticK9 | waterloo2005, Google Chrome = 9.0.597.94 |
| 17:00.52 | syn-a-pse | can somebody help, how downgrade in squeeze php from 5.3 to 5.2 ? |
| 17:00.54 | reavengrey | But most likely, you need to extract the source |
| 17:01.01 | reavengrey | Apply the patch to the extracted source |
| 17:01.04 | rubenfonseca | reavengrey: I'm sure it must be somehow realted with git, because "apt-get source" says the package is git maintained |
| 17:01.06 | reavengrey | Then rebuild a deb package |
| 17:01.15 | reavengrey | No, git isn't anything to do with it |
| 17:01.19 | rubenfonseca | ok |
| 17:01.22 | reavengrey | 'patch' alone is good enough |
| 17:01.33 | rubenfonseca | let me try that |
| 17:01.46 | reavengrey | patch -p0 <file> |
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| 17:01.52 | reavengrey | Inside the folder where youe xtracted |
| 17:02.00 | rubenfonseca | reavengrey: right |
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| 17:02.49 | reavengrey | ! source | reavengrey |
| 17:02.53 | reavengrey | !source | reavengrey |
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| 17:03.20 | ZykoticK9 | waterloo2005, actually there was an update yesterday - it's now 9.0.597.98 (had to close all my browser windows) - I think using Google's evil version is your best bet to get a recent Chrom(ium|e) |
| 17:03.22 | dforthman | Ok, I'm much more prepared now. I'll put all my outputs in a pastebin. |
| 17:03.37 | waterloo2005 | ZykoticK9, then How to install Chromium browser 9 in Debian 6 ? thanks |
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| 17:03.49 | rubenfonseca | reavengrey: ok right now it's building, but I have no way of knowing if it's bulding the tarball or the extracted source :/ |
| 17:03.51 | PinkFreud | I have a new kFreeBSD install in kvm. Everything is *slow* - from the login dialog, to drawing the gnome desktop. Once I was able to check dmesg in a terminal, I find the kernel log is flooded with 'calcru: runtime went backwards ...' messages. |
| 17:04.01 | ZykoticK9 | waterloo2005, http://www.google.com/chrome |
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| 17:04.26 | ZykoticK9 | waterloo2005, fyi it will add google's repo in the process |
| 17:05.03 | reavengrey | As in, build with "make"? |
| 17:05.27 | dforthman | hmm, i guess i forgot to save the output if 'ifconfig wlan0 up' |
| 17:05.37 | ZykoticK9 | waterloo2005, it's chrome not chromium though :( |
| 17:05.39 | dforthman | http://pastebin.com/eDHjwdSy |
| 17:06.28 | waterloo2005 | ZykoticK9, thanks |
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| 17:08.04 | rubenfonseca | reavengrey: yup, it didn't build my patched source, it built the tarball :/ |
| 17:08.47 | reavengrey | Meh, wait until some pro answers then |
| 17:09.25 | rubenfonseca | ok :) |
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| 17:13.20 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
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| 17:18.49 | PinkFreud | hmmm. looks like a timer issue when running under kvm. setting kern.timecounter.hardware to ACPI-safe appears to alleviate the issue to the point where the 'runtime went backwards' messages quit appearing, but X is still unbelievably slow. |
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| 17:28.10 | Eyes|Infinite | Does package unpacking take place in alphabetical order? |
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| 17:31.32 | Eyes|Infinite | If it is, I hate myself. |
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| 17:32.03 | brisingr | Eyes|Infinite: I think it's in dependency order, then alphabetical |
| 17:32.08 | Eyes|Infinite | Ah |
| 17:33.00 | Eyes|Infinite | Ohgod |
| 17:33.22 | Eyes|Infinite | I just downloaded the entire GNOME utilites in Aptitude. |
| 17:33.30 | Eyes|Infinite | How long is this gonna take... |
| 17:34.05 | brisingr | ballpark, about 20-30 minutes for whole gnome |
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| 17:34.40 | brisingr | or faster. I'm bad at estimating time |
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| 17:50.34 | brainm | hi all, can anybody tell me how to install php5.2 to my debian6? |
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| 17:53.15 | nkuttler | brainm: um, like you install any other package? |
| 17:54.02 | brainm | Ñзе-пÑе |
| 17:54.05 | brainm | apt-get |
| 17:54.19 | brainm | but it's install php5.3 |
| 17:54.24 | Eyes|Infinite | Much slower |
| 17:54.36 | brisingr | my bad |
| 17:54.50 | brisingr | is it installing only gnome? or upgrading, or whatever? |
| 17:54.56 | nkuttler | brainm: which debian release? looks like 5.3 is in squeeze |
| 17:55.06 | brisingr | yes, he has squeeze |
| 17:55.16 | Eyes|Infinite | Gnome |
| 17:55.20 | Eyes|Infinite | Uh |
| 17:55.28 | Eyes|Infinite | It already has gnome |
| 17:55.29 | nkuttler | brainm: what's wrong with 5.3? |
| 17:55.33 | themill | !php paradox |
| 17:55.33 | dpkg | The PHP paradox is that the people running lenny with php 5.2 want to have php 5.3... while the people running squeeze with php 5.3 want to have php 5.2. This is actually a sad indictment of both php and the applications written in it. |
| 17:55.39 | brainm | nkuttler, yes debian 6 |
| 17:55.45 | Eyes|Infinite | But i'm installing a hell load of packages |
| 17:55.48 | nkuttler | :\ |
| 17:56.03 | nkuttler | brainm: well install yourself oldstable then |
| 17:56.56 | brainm | nkuttler, php5.3 do not work with my DB engine - "linter", only 5.2 |
| 17:56.57 | brisingr | Eyes|Infinite: hmm.. some machines may perform slower than others. the sad part is you don't know how far it has gone. wait it out |
| 17:57.03 | nkuttler | brainm: well install yourself oldstable then |
| 17:57.10 | Eyes|Infinite | Running a VM, sadly |
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| 17:57.49 | brainm | nkuttler, how can i do this via apt-get? |
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| 17:58.00 | nkuttler | brainm: you reinstall your server |
| 17:58.14 | brainm | oo, it's not good |
| 17:58.26 | nkuttler | brainm: actually, this linter looks like a proprietary product? go bug the vendor |
| 17:58.47 | nkuttler | !tell brainm about ssbp |
| 17:58.57 | nkuttler | brainm: or forwardport it... |
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| 17:59.50 | brainm | debian5 will install php5.2 if i run "apt-get install php5"? |
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| 18:00.22 | nkuttler | brainm: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9 |
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| 18:02.06 | imatsu | hello |
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| 18:02.32 | imatsu | I want to do a cpan mirror |
| 18:02.43 | brainm | nkuttler, ok, thanx. |
| 18:02.50 | imatsu | but -> rsync: failed to connect to ftp.funet.fi: Network is unreachable (101) |
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| 18:03.15 | imatsu | who can help me? |
| 18:04.05 | brainm | nkuttler, how much time debian 5 will supported by developer? |
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| 18:05.15 | nkuttler | brainm: i think you'll get security updates for one year from now, but check the security team site |
| 18:05.59 | brainm | nkuttler, ok, thanx |
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| 18:07.24 | jorginator | anybody here with experience of debarchiver? |
| 18:08.34 | ajikeshi | yes |
| 18:08.40 | ajikeshi | at least the devs |
| 18:08.59 | ajikeshi | and remember... meta questions are stupid |
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| 18:09.48 | jorginator | Question: How do I make an existing repository (managed by debarchiver) use a newly set-up PGP key? The key is created, config is updated, but multiple runs of debarchiver does nothing... I've tried a plethora of options on debarchiver to get it to sign the existing files, but no luck... |
| 18:10.48 | jorginator | I don't get any error messages - but using "--autoscanall" does produce the normal output ("Write X entries to output Packages file") |
| 18:11.52 | jorginator | ajikeshi: I was to about to ask "why are meta questions stupid", but I guess that would be a meta question... :-) |
| 18:12.14 | ajikeshi | hehe :D |
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| 18:15.54 | muatik | hi, where is php-config file in debian? I've installed lamp. |
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| 18:16.10 | spersaud | ls |
| 18:16.42 | jorginator | I believe there are two: one for the command-line php, and one for the stuff running through apache |
| 18:17.07 | jorginator | /etc/php5/cli/php.ini (command line) |
| 18:17.24 | muatik | I cannot find php executable files too |
| 18:17.47 | muatik | there is only conf files in /etc/php5 |
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| 18:18.07 | jorginator | /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 18:18.16 | jorginator | which packages did you install? |
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| 18:18.30 | muatik | "apt-get install apache2 php5 libapache2-mod-php5" |
| 18:18.54 | jorginator | that sounds about right. But if you need a command-line version of php, then you probably want php5-cli (i think) too |
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| 18:19.38 | jorginator | running php in apache does not require the php command line version |
| 18:19.59 | muatik | ohh yes, I forgot this. I'll install cli |
| 18:20.05 | muatik | thanks |
| 18:20.08 | jorginator | no probs |
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| 18:20.25 | henke | hello. I just upgraded lenny->squeeze. The harddrive went from being /dev/hda to /dev/sda, which seems to have confused blkid. It detects the ext2 fs as being of type crypto_LUKS, which is what used to be at /dev/sda1 before the names got changed around. How to get some sense into blkid? |
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| 18:29.55 | lemonchickenftl | http://bengoldacre.posterous.com/nerd-saves-entire-bbc-archive-for-399-you-can |
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| 18:30.01 | lemonchickenftl | i downloaded that could someone help me parse all the html for all the video urls and download those too? |
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| 18:34.22 | dsm | How do I use 'rename' to capitalize any letter immediately following a "_" in a filename ? |
| 18:34.53 | dsm | I have tried using 's/_[a-z]/[A-Z]/g', but it replaces it with the literal "[A-Z]" in place of the letters I am trying to capitalize |
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| 18:36.24 | jorginator | dsm: sed -r -e 's/_([a-z])/_\1/g' ? |
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| 18:37.18 | jorginator | dsm: ignore me :-( |
| 18:37.44 | dsm | Excuse me ? I was just trying that out. |
| 18:38.05 | dsm | But I need it to act on filenames |
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| 18:38.30 | mullein | is there some trick to having consoles use a standard mode? i have an intel 945gm chipset and edited /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf to set "options i915 modeset=0", plus i passed nomodeset to the kernel on boot..to no avail |
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| 18:39.58 | dsm | I get error "\1 better written as $1 at (eval 25) line 1." when I use rename 's/_([a-z])/_\1/g' * |
| 18:40.24 | jorginator | dsm: perl or sed ? |
| 18:40.32 | jorginator | sounds like perl... |
| 18:40.41 | dsm | I am just using "rename" |
| 18:40.55 | jorginator | ah - got you |
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| 18:47.00 | jorginator | dsm: sorry - don't know. my perl is rusty at best... |
| 18:47.49 | dsm | I got it: it was: for i in *; do filename=$i; mv "$filename" "$(sed 's/_[[:lower:]]/\U&/g' <<<"$filename")"; done |
| 18:48.05 | dsm | courtesy of #bash :-) |
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| 18:53.38 | sharp15 | anyone familiar with the cad software in the repositories willing to recommend one? |
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| 18:55.55 | pipeline | dsm: yeah just replace \1 with $1 |
| 18:56.01 | pipeline | dsm: the backtick syntax is deprecated, hence the warning |
| 18:56.08 | pipeline | dsm: err not backtick backslash |
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| 19:00.40 | D3814N | I got all debian wheezy repos but still seeing Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 in issue.net. is that ok ? |
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| 19:02.14 | Eyes|Infinite | Hm |
| 19:02.18 | Eyes|Infinite | I'm out of space. |
| 19:02.26 | Eyes|Infinite | WHADDYA MEAN IM OUT OF SPACE??????? |
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| 19:02.55 | Joe7 | hi |
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| 19:03.12 | Eyes|Infinite | ./dev/sdb9 has got 87GB of space left !.!!!!!! |
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| 19:03.45 | Joe7 | Managed to get a failing Grub setup when upgrading to Squeeze. Root/Boot is on a Sofware raid. Could you please help how to restore the system to boot from the sofware raid using a live cd? |
| 19:04.06 | sharp15 | Eyes|Infinite: what file system? |
| 19:04.11 | Eyes|Infinite | Uh |
| 19:04.27 | Eyes|Infinite | I selected separate partitions on load |
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| 19:04.49 | Eyes|Infinite | And it says I have 187.9MB left |
| 19:05.19 | Eyes|Infinite | Aptitude refuses to download packages |
| 19:05.29 | sharp15 | then you probably need to look into what files you have. |
| 19:05.44 | Eyes|Infinite | Hm |
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| 19:06.50 | xyzp | saturdau evinin ign |
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| 19:07.11 | Eyes|Infinite | Running gparted says that on /usr I have 2.6GB left, /home has about 86gb left, /tmp has 357MB free and /var has 160KB free, all ext3 |
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| 19:08.59 | sharp15 | Eyes|Infinite: try 'df -h' for that. |
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| 19:10.18 | sharp15 | Eyes|Infinite: i asked about filesystem in case you used one (i.e. vfat) with file/partition size limitations. |
| 19:10.35 | Eyes|Infinite | http://debian.pastebin.com/HKM3a2Uf |
| 19:10.46 | Eyes|Infinite | The results for df -h |
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| 19:11.42 | sharp15 | Eyes|Infinite: do you know exactly why /usr /var /tmp should be on separate partitions? |
| 19:11.47 | Eyes|Infinite | Nope |
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| 19:12.27 | mullein | does anyone here have information for getting an external monitor to work on a squeeze laptop? in lenny, i had it displaying both in console and in x without tweaking; in squeeze, the monitor never wakes up. xrandr shows it connected.... |
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| 19:12.58 | sharp15 | Eyes|Infinite: then it's probably best to have at most separate partitions for / and /home |
| 19:13.11 | Eyes|Infinite | I'm not reinstalling it. |
| 19:13.55 | cahoot | mullein: xrandr --output VGA-0 --on (or such)? |
| 19:14.14 | Eyes|Infinite | sharp15: Any suggestions for this? |
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| 19:14.19 | pipeline | cahoot, mullein : "--auto" |
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| 19:16.09 | sharp15 | Eyes|Infinite: you can reinstall, resize your partitions (tricky), or just clean out the package caches. depends on the result you want. |
| 19:16.17 | Eyes|Infinite | Gah |
| 19:16.31 | Eyes|Infinite | Resize partitions. |
| 19:16.32 | sharp15 | Eyes|Infinite: how customized is this install? |
| 19:16.38 | Eyes|Infinite | Not very |
| 19:16.45 | uoods | how do I change the keyboard rate in a virtual terminal, sort of like kbdrate for tty |
| 19:17.13 | Eyes|Infinite | Only packages are about 800 GNOME packages (the gnome section in Aptitude |
| 19:17.30 | mullein | cahoot, the laptop screen flashes when i do xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1280x1024, but nothing happens on the monitor. afterwards xrandr does say that VGA1 is connected at 1280x1024. |
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| 19:18.01 | cahoot | mullein: xrandr --output VGA1 --auto? |
| 19:18.16 | sharp15 | Eyes|Infinite: then a reinstall sounds the simplest. i know that partition resizing can be done but the filesystems never take it well and i've never actually done it. |
| 19:18.25 | Eyes|Infinite | Hmph. |
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| 19:18.40 | Eyes|Infinite | can't be bothered |
| 19:18.46 | Eyes|Infinite | I'll figure itout myslef |
| 19:19.08 | mullein | cahoot, that completes but doesn't affect the monitor |
| 19:19.10 | sharp15 | ok. sorry i couldn't be more help. |
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| 19:20.54 | cahoot | mullein: nothing elucidating in Xorg0.log? |
| 19:21.24 | mullein | cahoot: hmm, i just unplugged the power from the monitor and replugged it, got video. but many times of disconnecting and reconnecting vga cable did nothing...though xrandr did properly report VGA1 status each time |
| 19:21.50 | brisingr | Sorry for off-topic, is there a popular linux chat channel (not help)? |
| 19:21.59 | pipeline | brisingr: ##linux, #debian-offtopic come to mind |
| 19:22.07 | brisingr | thanks |
| 19:23.55 | mullein | cahoot, thank you for the help |
| 19:24.07 | cahoot | np |
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| 19:27.55 | Joe7 | any idea regarding my grub/boot failure? :/ |
| 19:28.39 | Gifford | I have intel classmate pc with 16 GB SSD Storage, can I install linux together with winxp on it? There is already winxp there on fat32 |
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| 19:32.05 | karlpinc | Gifford: The install guide recommends a minimum of 5G for a desktop for Debian. Of course you can make do with less but not necessarly be happy. |
| 19:32.07 | Eyes|Infinite | Darn |
| 19:32.12 | ggoes | Is there a way to remove all of the packages from a (third-party) source? I'd like to get rid of debian-multimedia and reinstall the regular Debian versions of those packages, but it doesn't look like I can without removing a ton of other pkgs in the process. :/ |
| 19:32.43 | karlpinc | Eyes|Infinite: You should be able to resize your partitions. The easy way is by booting from your install media an going into rescue mode. YMMV. |
| 19:32.52 | Gifford | karlpinc: I am more worried about winxp and linux coexisting. space should be enough |
| 19:32.56 | Eyes|Infinite | Thats what i'm doin |
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| 19:33.31 | karlpinc | Gifford: When you dual boot, either one or the other is running. All you need to worry about is getting both to boot and that problem was solved long ago. |
| 19:33.53 | Gifford | ok |
| 19:34.24 | karlpinc | ggoes: It should not be a problem. When you install the regular debian versions what's needed should re-install automatically. |
| 19:34.45 | thinksteve | Could squeeze it into 2Gb by using lightweight software on an eeepc 701, but that might not be comfortable for you. |
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| 19:35.39 | linuxxx | hello |
| 19:35.42 | mister_m | does debian install MS fonts by default? |
| 19:35.44 | karlpinc | ggoes: (See also http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware for more on dmm and enabling codecs in the regular debian packages.) |
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| 19:35.56 | Eyes|Infinite | DAMMNIT |
| 19:36.15 | Eyes|Infinite | The linux-swap partition is in the way of my VAR partition. |
| 19:36.22 | karlpinc | mister_m: No. Not unless they're free to redistribute and modify. |
| 19:36.33 | thinksteve | mister_m: Why should it? |
| 19:36.37 | karlpinc | Eyes|Infinite: (That's why I prefer lvm. But others say it's not so reliable.) |
| 19:36.43 | Eyes|Infinite | lvm? |
| 19:36.50 | karlpinc | !tell Eyes|Infinite about lvm |
| 19:37.12 | mister_m | thinksteve: I 'm trying to troubleshoot why comments on github are extremely hard to read. |
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| 19:37.41 | karlpinc | Eyes|Infinite: Basically lvm is virtual paritioning that allows resizing and migration to/from the underlying hard drives while the system is running. |
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| 19:37.48 | Eyes|Infinite | Meh |
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| 19:38.21 | jo___ | Is there a tool that can use different ip's to upload files quicker? (My ip limits the upload but I have a lot of ip's) |
| 19:38.29 | jo___ | isp* |
| 19:38.35 | ggoes | karlpinc: Uninstalling the debian-multimedia version of libdrm2 wants to remove all of X11 and GNOME. Is there any way to replace it with the Debian version so I don't have to remove/reinstall X11 and GNOME? |
| 19:38.51 | thinksteve | mister_m: Dejavu and Liberation fonts are doing fine here, no need for ugly microsoft fonts. Would you like to share a link? |
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| 19:39.04 | pipeline | karlpinc, Eyes|Infinite : You should always, ALWAYS use lvm |
| 19:39.05 | karlpinc | ggoes: Just use "aptitude unmarkauto gnome" or whatever to keep your gnome/x11 stuff installed. |
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| 19:39.22 | sharp15 | pipeline: why? |
| 19:39.24 | Eyes|Infinite | no know |
| 19:39.32 | pipeline | sharp15: because when you need LVM, it can save your ass |
| 19:39.48 | pipeline | sharp15: when you don't need LVM, well, no overhead. It didn't cost you anything to have it there all that time. |
| 19:40.05 | karlpinc | pipeline: Once upon a time snapshots did not work well on large volumes, but that was some time ago. (And some of the experts here say they have had problems, although I've not.) |
| 19:40.28 | karlpinc | finds lvm super handy |
| 19:40.46 | linuxxx | i've followed the method explained in 4.3.1 of http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s03.html and when i boot the usb the menu installation appears but it doesn't respond to the keyboard. I've tried with debian 6.0 netinst i386 and debian 6.0 netinst amd64 and checked md5sum of boot.img.gz and .iso files |
| 19:40.53 | pipeline | karlpinc: been using LVM since 2003, I haven't had a problem yet |
| 19:40.55 | sharp15 | is annoyed by being preached at instead of given a logical argument. |
| 19:40.55 | thinksteve | Plays along nicely with LUKS, so it should be on every notebook anyway :) |
| 19:41.38 | pipeline | sharp15: LVM can get you out of many ugly situations. If you never happen to encounter those ugly situations, LVM didn't cost you anything. Upside potential: huge. Downside potential: zero. |
| 19:41.54 | karlpinc | sharp15: Ok then. Because being restricted by physical partition constraints suck. For more, rtfm on lvm. |
| 19:42.01 | sharp15 | pipeline: example situations? documentation. |
| 19:42.13 | HackeMate | i lost the sound sudenly |
| 19:42.18 | HackeMate | it only comes back when i restart |
| 19:42.28 | HackeMate | i tried /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restar but nothing happen |
| 19:42.44 | karlpinc | sharp15: Your drive is failing and you don't want lots of downtime, so you install a new one and tell lvm to migrate the data while the system continues to run. |
| 19:42.44 | HackeMate | kmix is working and i can select the volume, but wont work |
| 19:42.47 | pipeline | sharp15: need to migrate storage devices live? can-do. Unforeseen need for a live snapshot? can do. Need to extend a filesystem? Yep. Need mirroring, but the system is already configured? Yep. |
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| 19:43.01 | thinksteve | Painless partition management, sharp15. |
| 19:43.09 | anisfarhana | Hello :) |
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| 19:43.29 | pipeline | sharp15: LVM gives you a lot of flexibility on a running system, and it costs you nothing if you don't use those features. Ergo it is a bad idea to say "Well I'll never need LVM." You may, in fact, need it. |
| 19:43.41 | sharp15 | thank you. the only reason anyone has ever mentioned for using lvm was partition resizing and the filesystems never seemed to support it. |
| 19:43.53 | sharp15 | s/has/had/ |
| 19:44.00 | karlpinc | linuxxx: That's odd. When you say the keyboard does not work, are you in text mode or gui mode? |
| 19:44.02 | pipeline | sharp15: ext3 supports online extend, but you have to unmount the FS to shrink it :\ |
| 19:44.16 | karlpinc | linuxxx: Or does it not work when the bootloader gives you choices? |
| 19:44.22 | pipeline | sharp15: fortunately, you can use LVM to migrate your troublesomely large partitions to another block device if you need to free up space in a contiguous block ;| |
| 19:44.45 | anisfarhana | I just got this error --> http://pastebin.com/QNtdi2F1 when performing 'apt-get update', anyone can advise me on this ? |
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| 19:45.32 | linuxxx | karlpinc, when i'm here http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5218/5391481141_6c760f1969.jpg i press down key and it does nothing or if i press enter it does do nothing |
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| 19:46.38 | karlpinc | linuxxx: That looks like the boot screen.... |
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| 19:47.49 | linuxxx | karlpinc, one user of this irc channel said me to do cat debian.iso > /dev/sdb and later sync and it works but i wanted to report that what says at the docuemtation doesn't work |
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| 19:48.08 | karlpinc | linuxxx: I'm stuck. If you don't get help now you could ask here again later. Or I think it may be approprite to ask about this in #debian-boot. |
| 19:48.26 | pipeline | sharp15: windows and HP-UX have their own proprietary LVM schemes that are in various ways similar and different to linux (sistina) LVM. None of these schemes are compatible with one another. |
| 19:49.01 | linuxxx | karlpinc, ok i will go there ;) thanks |
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| 19:49.33 | karlpinc | linuxxx: Ah, so you want to tell us there is a problem. The install guide says how to file a bug report against the install guide. See: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apes02.html.en |
| 19:49.35 | robertoo | does anyone know how to change the screen resolution under squeeze |
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| 19:49.44 | sharp15 | robertoo: xrandr |
| 19:49.47 | karlpinc | !tell linuxxx about reportbug |
| 19:50.00 | thinksteve | anisfarhana: With the release of Squeeze Lenny became oldstable. I'm not sure if Lenny already reached its end of life, but your mirror doesn't seem to offer updates anymore, try looking for fo a different one. |
| 19:50.06 | robertoo | sharp15, thanks |
| 19:50.11 | cabooski | so now with the release notes saying to use apt-get over aptitude for the upgrade, is there any caveats to continue using apt-get going forward |
| 19:50.22 | cabooski | with lenny i have always just used aptitude |
| 19:50.31 | linuxxx | karlpinc, maybe im doing something wrong |
| 19:50.33 | anisfarhana | thinksteve: good idea! Thanks |
| 19:50.36 | sharp15 | pipeline, karlpinc, thinksteve: thank you. |
| 19:50.39 | karlpinc | linuxxx: Yes, #debian-boot deals with bugfixes in the installer. |
| 19:51.03 | karlpinc | thinksteve: Lenny has a year of support after the release of squeeze. |
| 19:51.20 | linuxxx | karlpinc, im trying to enter to debian-boot using xchat and the command /j #debian-boot but i see no users and the chanel name is ##debian-boot so i supose i don't enter correctly why? |
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| 19:51.36 | karlpinc | linuxxx: Possibly, but maybe the instructions are not clear. In which case they'll want to fix them. |
| 19:51.56 | slawuta | Hi, I have a e2fsck question. I accidentally reset my BIOS. Now my last mount time is "in the future". The boot process stops, asks me for root password and I'm supposed to run fsck manually. |
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| 19:52.02 | karlpinc | linuxxx: Perhaps that channel's only on the irc.debian.org server. |
| 19:52.12 | linuxxx | karlpinc, a ok |
| 19:52.27 | slawuta | When I type "fsck", it says the filesystem is mounted and I could cause severe damage. So I answer "No". |
| 19:52.50 | karlpinc | slawuta: You set your clock back already, right? |
| 19:53.03 | slawuta | Then it asks me another question, about fxing superblock. Is it safe to answer "yes" this time ? |
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| 19:53.19 | slawuta | karlpinc: I can set it back, but I don't want to live in the past :-) |
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| 19:53.25 | linuxxx | karlpinc, ok im now at the channel |
| 19:53.31 | linuxxx | karlpinc, thanks |
| 19:53.38 | karlpinc | slawuta: You probably don't want to change anything unless your filesystem is mounted read-only. |
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| 19:53.56 | slawuta | it is mounted read-only. |
| 19:54.04 | syn-a-pse | somebody please tell me how downgrade php to 5.2 in squeeze ? |
| 19:54.41 | slawuta | Ah... ok. Nevermind. |
| 19:54.54 | karlpinc | slawuta: The easy thing to do is use the -p option, which just always answers the question yes for you. |
| 19:55.21 | slawuta | If I change time to 2002, let it mount normally, then it should update mount information and last mount will no longer be in the future ? |
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| 19:55.49 | karlpinc | syn-a-pse: You don't, using the debian packages. Perhaps if you told us the problem we could help come up with a better solution. |
| 19:55.55 | karlpinc | slawuta: Sure, but why not 2011? |
| 19:56.00 | slawuta | Then I would just have to endure forced "300 days ago" checks. |
| 19:56.24 | karlpinc | ,versions php5 |
| 19:56.26 | judd | Package php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; sid: 5.3.3-7; squeeze: 5.3.3-7; wheezy: 5.3.3-7 |
| 19:57.03 | cabooski | any thoughts on the apt-get vs aptitude question? |
| 19:57.34 | slawuta | karlpinc: I was fixing my date in BIOS after accidental reset, I changed it to 2nd of December instead of 12th of February. |
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| 19:58.57 | karlpinc | slawuta: mount -o remount,ro / (or whatever partition, while in single user mode) |
| 19:59.28 | slawuta | karlpinc: I already found another way to mount as root, using grub (append init=/bin/bash) |
| 19:59.46 | karlpinc | slawuta: Then you can fsck to your heart's content. |
| 19:59.53 | slawuta | The issue is that if I move BIOS clock back into the past, the successful mount will still be in the future. |
| 20:00.08 | slawuta | And If I more the clock into the future, it will complain once I move it back. |
| 20:00.29 | karlpinc | slawuta: Yes, but dosen't it keep track only of the _last_ successful mount? |
| 20:00.33 | slawuta | karlpinc: I won't break anything with fsck if it's mounted in read-only ? |
| 20:00.51 | syn-a-pse | karlpinc no better solution =-( i need to install proprietary cms for client, and it's endcoded by zend for 5.2 =-( |
| 20:00.59 | karlpinc | slawuta: No Read-only is ok. (Of course you need to remount rw, or reboot, if you bring it out of single user mode.) |
| 20:01.03 | syn-a-pse | thz for answers |
| 20:01.14 | karlpinc | syn-a-pse: Use lenny. It's good for another year. |
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| 20:02.01 | SPF | anyone running fit-pc2 with squeeze, any upgrade recommendations? |
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| 20:02.09 | karlpinc | syn-a-pse: Or you could probably build your own php5.2 package, but that's crazy because you'd need to keep up with security, etc. |
| 20:02.13 | slawuta | Okay, I got confused, let's see if it wrks. |
| 20:02.44 | karlpinc | slawuta: (Or boot from your install media and go into rescue mode.) |
| 20:03.08 | syn-a-pse | karlpinc yeah, i've already installed lenny, but still hope to find better solution )) no luck |
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| 20:03.19 | tomek_ | Hi All! I'm working on my package - and I need to clean up the source from all those .cvsignore files. Do you know if there is any debhelper to do that? |
| 20:03.52 | onoez_omg | sorry for not a debian related question and for my english, is there any nice tutorial for basic configuring of exim4? |
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| 20:04.19 | slawuta | karlpinc: if it's in read-only mode, how will fsck help fix last mount time ? |
| 20:04.24 | karlpinc | syn-a-pse: You might be able to "forwardport" they lenny source package, until it stops getting updates in a year. You'd need to frob the package version, or put it on hold, or something, to keep apt from replacing it. Pinning might be good. |
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| 20:04.38 | onoez_omg | i just need it to be configured properly to send outgoing emails and not being abused by spammers |
| 20:04.41 | slawuta | if its in ro it won't write anything :| |
| 20:04.55 | nkuttler | onoez_omg: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 20:05.20 | karlpinc | slawuta: fsck changes the disk. (There's probably something in tune2fs that will frob the last mount time as well.) In any case, it's just complaining that it wants a fsck. Give it one and it'll be happy. |
| 20:05.39 | robertoo | i installed lmms but it doesn't show up on the sound and video, anyone know how to add the icon to the menu? |
| 20:05.56 | onoez_omg | nkuttler, sure, but my knowledge level is too low to be sure i did everything fine |
| 20:06.05 | karlpinc | slawuta: (Because fsck changes the disk that you don't want to be in rw mode!) |
| 20:06.38 | onoez_omg | i mean everything works currently, but i don't want it to be a spam relay machine ) |
| 20:06.42 | nkuttler | onoez_omg: well, you only have to answer a few questions |
| 20:06.51 | nkuttler | onoez_omg: debian protects against that by default |
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| 20:07.38 | access_d | i have a usb printer connected to my debian box, printing works fine. now i have a gentoo box (same network) that i'm trying to get to be able to see/use that printer. i tried changing the hostname in /etc/cups/client.conf and then running lpstat -a, but it isn't finding the printer.. any ideas? |
| 20:07.48 | onoez_omg | nkuttler, so its fine if it just simply works for me? |
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| 20:08.06 | Eyes|Infinite | Hm |
| 20:08.12 | Eyes|Infinite | It seems I broke Debian. |
| 20:08.20 | Eyes|Infinite | Hm |
| 20:08.33 | Eyes|Infinite | Any ideas why it sits there with a black screen and a white underscore? |
| 20:08.36 | onoez_omg | in soviet russia debian brakes u!1 |
| 20:08.44 | nkuttler | onoez_omg: see also /usr/share/doc/exim4-* |
| 20:08.59 | access_d | sh*t, lol. sorry wrong channel. :) |
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| 20:09.04 | nkuttler | Eyes|Infinite: can you type anything? |
| 20:09.09 | Eyes|Infinite | Uh |
| 20:09.27 | Eyes|Infinite | I just gave it the KIll signal |
| 20:09.50 | Eyes|Infinite | Also |
| 20:09.53 | Eyes|Infinite | Debian EDU? |
| 20:09.59 | metrix | I have a debian Lenny xen server that I would like to upgrade to Squeeze.. are there any gotchas when upgrading? |
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| 20:10.40 | nkuttler | metrix: read the release notes |
| 20:11.00 | onoez_omg | nkuttler, thanks |
| 20:11.22 | Eyes|Infinite | Hm |
| 20:11.24 | Eyes|Infinite | Now it works |
| 20:12.01 | metrix | awesome. thank you |
| 20:12.29 | Eyes|Infinite | Now GNOME fails to start |
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| 20:12.48 | slawuta | Ok, I'm making it happy with fsck now :-). In read-only mode, no scary questions now. |
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| 20:13.27 | AciD | hi |
| 20:13.29 | slawuta | karlpinc: By the way I wanted to share this trick for getting root access if you have physical access. I've used it to run fsck. |
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| 20:13.58 | slawuta | karlpinc: in grub, press 'e' to edit, and append 'init=/bin/bash' to the end/. Press ctrl-x to boot, and you'll be root. |
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| 20:14.41 | slawuta | (to the end of the line with the kernel image) |
| 20:15.57 | AciD | I installed Squeeze on my laptop from an unetbootin kde image, but unfortunatly, there is no network at all in that fresh install. Now I'm chrooting in it from that system, but can't get the network to go through the chroot either. Any ideas how to get network on Debian (I'm on a samsung nc10, atheros wireless card) |
| 20:16.14 | Eyes|Infinite | Hm |
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| 20:17.00 | AciD | in addition, I have absolutly no network-manager-kde not network-manager packages installed on this fresh install |
| 20:17.06 | AciD | *nor |
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| 20:18.05 | maligor | AciD, configuring it from interfaces then? |
| 20:18.35 | AciD | maligor: long time since I did that, I'm trying right now, but without success |
| 20:18.40 | maligor | as far as I know, ath9k and ath5k should work |
| 20:18.50 | Eyes|Infinite | Hm |
| 20:18.56 | Eyes|Infinite | Where is the application chache stored/ |
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| 20:19.11 | Eyes|Infinite | I think its in /var somewhere, just don't know where |
| 20:19.58 | maligor | try: find /var -name *.deb |
| 20:20.09 | Eyes|Infinite | Ah |
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| 20:22.31 | Eyes|Infinite | Yess, I got into GNOME |
| 20:22.33 | maligor | AciD, looked at http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse ? |
| 20:23.23 | Eyes|Infinite | Hm |
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| 20:23.29 | AciD | maligor: I just managed to access internet from the chrooted environnement by mounting /proc /sys and /dev. I'll update the system then try the wifi again |
| 20:25.03 | maligor | AciD, it has interfaces configuration at the end of the wiki, if you really don't intend to use nm or wicd |
| 20:25.16 | maligor | never used interfaces for wifi really myself |
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| 20:25.30 | AciD | maligor: I do intend to use nm, but first I need to install it I guess :) |
| 20:25.59 | maligor | plug it by wire? |
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| 20:26.48 | hellyeah | hey |
| 20:26.51 | hellyeah | sorry to say that |
| 20:27.05 | hellyeah | but you debian people stuck |
| 20:27.21 | hellyeah | no sound no touch pad to graphic |
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| 20:28.37 | AciD | maligor: the wire wasn't recognized last time I checked, but I guess the install process didn't finished well since the system is stable, except no network :) |
| 20:29.12 | Bushmills | AciD: for wlan, wicd may actually be more useful |
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| 20:29.39 | AciD | Bushmills: wicd is the 'new' network-manager I heard ? |
| 20:30.07 | maligor | I rather like nm more |
| 20:30.08 | Bushmills | a while ago, those were sent to wicd who experienced problems with network manager |
| 20:30.19 | iluminator101 | how do i find out the which repo servers are fastest near me |
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| 20:30.46 | Bushmills | iluminator101: apt-spy |
| 20:31.16 | hellyeah | you stuck ppl |
| 20:31.25 | hellyeah | i want to use debian but i cnt |
| 20:32.47 | AciD | ok it definitly looks like the install process skipped the network part as typing 'apt-get install network-manager-kde' gives me 31MB of dependencies to install ! |
| 20:32.47 | Bushmills | then you're stuck |
| 20:32.48 | iluminator101 | apt-spy??? apt-spy update or... |
| 20:32.48 | hellyeah | no sound no touch pad no graphical support |
| 20:32.48 | hellyeah | what the hell |
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| 20:33.11 | simonrvn | ah, better |
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| 20:33.26 | AciD | iluminator101: if you find the answer, post it here :) |
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| 20:33.28 | hellyeah | why i cant join facebook on debian |
| 20:33.41 | hellyeah | i can join facebook on windows 7 with same wireless connection |
| 20:34.07 | Bushmills | you can't because you do it wrong |
| 20:34.16 | hellyeah | muhahahhaa |
| 20:34.28 | hellyeah | can you say my wrong |
| 20:34.59 | Bushmills | stops feeding the troll now |
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| 20:35.22 | streuner_ | Is it sunday today? ;-) |
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| 20:36.56 | aguitel | i have not login item under system administration ,where is it? |
| 20:37.22 | iluminator101 | wicd does not do dial up or ppp its not a full replacement for nm |
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| 20:39.40 | _Dave123_ | anyone know a good live cd that can perm wipe data from 2 hdd disks in my desktop |
| 20:39.58 | _Dave123_ | my chipset is not supported by dban so that one is not possible yet |
| 20:40.01 | Bushmills | any. dd is common to all |
| 20:40.28 | jhutchins | wicd also fails to see a lot of cards. |
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| 20:44.09 | cast | is it wicd's failure or the kernels? |
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| 20:44.22 | cryptopsy | Where does the fstab 'dump' flag store backups? dump is a backup utility |
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| 20:45.52 | Bushmills | it doesn't store them. it only flags to dump that a volume is set to be backupped |
| 20:46.26 | Bushmills | where backups are stored is left entirely to the discretion of dump, or the one who invokes it. |
| 20:47.27 | jhutchins | cast: wicd in my case - nm sees it fine. |
| 20:47.47 | jhutchins | cast: Also true in some other cases. |
| 20:47.52 | cast | curious, i would have thought they'd both see the same |
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| 20:53.11 | bAndie9100 | hi people! today i upgrade to squeeze. before i could control my laptop's fans via /proc/acpi/fan/*/state, |
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| 20:53.52 | bAndie9100 | and now when i start/stop the fans, something re-control they! |
| 20:54.30 | bAndie9100 | it turn fans on/off too frequently! |
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| 20:55.50 | mister_m | when I type man x, how do I gracefully exit the man entry without hitting control + z? |
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| 20:56.19 | KRF | mister_m: too easy: q |
| 20:56.33 | mister_m | KRF: thank you |
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| 20:59.16 | semko | hi |
| 20:59.17 | semko | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.22 | OpenTokix | semko: you can change mac-address on most modern nic's |
| 21:00.41 | semko | OpenTokix, yes i know. but i have not changed mine |
| 21:00.48 | OpenTokix | ok? |
| 21:01.43 | semko | OpenTokix, is software change permanent? |
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| 21:02.44 | OpenTokix | semko: you write it in a eeprom on the card, - I guess it's permanent |
| 21:02.45 | bAndie9100 | semko, you cannot change the MAC address penmanently |
| 21:02.46 | Deerku | Hello. Is something changed in suphp in squeeze? www-site working good, but asking "id" via test.php file prints nothing to browser. |
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| 21:03.21 | semko | bAndie9100, yes i am 90% sure i have not changed it at all. |
| 21:03.38 | semko | weird |
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| 21:04.17 | bAndie9100 | semko, so you find your MAC unregistered? what mac-database did you read? |
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| 21:04.46 | babilen | semko: "macchanger -A eth0" (for example) ;) |
| 21:04.55 | semko | bAndie9100, the ones that come up on the 1st site of google search "mac lookup" |
| 21:05.14 | semko | for instance: http://www.coffer.com/mac_find/ |
| 21:05.27 | babilen | semko: Ah, you don't want to change it. You wonder why yours isn't listed. :) |
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| 21:05.45 | semko | babilen, :) yes |
| 21:05.46 | bAndie9100 | since i upgraded to squeeze, laptop's fan turn on and off so frequently! |
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| 21:06.21 | semko | maybe ate a mac changer linux malware |
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| 21:06.52 | Joe7 | Any GRUB guru around? Would like to get the system boot, that's all :| /root is on a software raid, currently getting 'error file not found entering rescue mode' when booting with a grub rescue> prompt. Have live cd, would just like to get it booting |
| 21:06.56 | magicianlord | Why is Debian 6 using an old kernel 2.6.32? |
| 21:07.27 | babilen | magicianlord: Upstream provides long-term support and it was deemed a good choice overall. |
| 21:07.44 | magicianlord | babilen: are the newer kernels faster with ext4 |
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| 21:08.13 | babilen | magicianlord: Test them with bonnie++ :) |
| 21:08.28 | magicianlord | bonnie??? |
| 21:08.34 | babilen | ,info bonnie++ |
| 21:08.35 | judd | Package bonnie++ (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: Hard drive benchmark suite.. Version: 1.96; Size: 69.0k; Installed: 216k |
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| 21:08.41 | magicianlord | i wish my girlfriend was named bonnie |
| 21:08.50 | magicianlord | ok |
| 21:08.54 | babilen | magicianlord: Do you have performance problems with the 2.6.32 kernel? |
| 21:08.56 | magicianlord | thanks, homie |
| 21:08.58 | zamba | i need a light-weight mta just for forwarding email.. it'll send through a smarthost |
| 21:09.00 | babilen | np |
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| 21:09.20 | magicianlord | no, but i noticed that with ubuntu, 2.6.35 is much more responsive than 2.6.32 in 10.04 |
| 21:10.24 | babilen | magicianlord: That does not necessarily has to be the kernel. But you could install/compile a newer kernel if you think it is necessary. |
| 21:11.00 | magicianlord | it is the kernel in that case, because the same increase was noticed in Arch |
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| 21:11.13 | magicianlord | ok |
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| 21:12.13 | magicianlord | later |
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| 21:15.46 | yanu | is a raid0-1 setup with metadata=1.2 even possible to get it work together with grub-pc? there is no way grub-install /dev/sda want to write to the MBR of that sda-disk: /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Attempting to install GRUB to a disk with multiple partition labels or both partition label and filesystem. This is not supported yet.. |
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| 21:16.06 | Stefunel | Greetings! Guys, is there a gtk based app that's like smplayer? |
| 21:16.15 | yanu | or do i have to set all metadata to 0.90 ? |
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| 21:17.09 | vxp | how might I go about telling either defoma or X.org or whichever application would be the most relevant to talk to about the .ttf fonts installed by the `ttf-dejavu*' packages? |
| 21:17.55 | peja | hi. is there something broken at suphp ... simple asking id test fails... i's showing just blank page at browser |
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| 21:21.19 | aguitel | gdm3 is not starting ,i need to login with console ,why this? |
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| 21:21.41 | babilen | Stefunel: gmplayer ? |
| 21:22.09 | babilen | Stefunel: Or does "like" extend to software like "vlc" ? |
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| 21:23.27 | Stefunel | babilen, could extend to that, but I see that vlc requires qt and I would not want to mix gtk and qt on my system |
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| 21:23.54 | babilen | Stefunel: |
| 21:24.11 | aguitel | babilen, do you read me? |
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| 21:25.33 | babilen | Stefunel: That shouldn't be a problem. But you could just use "totem" "gmplayer" "vlc-nox" "mplayer" or so ... but I am intrigued, why don't you want to install qt? |
| 21:25.54 | babilen | aguitel: yes? |
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| 21:26.49 | Stefunel | babilen, I just switched from gentoo, started to hate all the hassle with everything. I had some problems when I mixed gtk + qt libs |
| 21:26.54 | aguitel | babilen, i am in stable with gdm3 installed,but it not start and i need to login with black screen |
| 21:27.00 | Stefunel | and I wanted to avoid them on debian :) |
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| 21:28.31 | babilen | Stefunel: I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with vlc and gtk software in Debian. I wouldn't worry about "mixing" libraries and all that. Doesn't mean that you can't try not to install those. I just don't think its necessary or even advantageous on most systems. |
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| 21:29.16 | babilen | aguitel: You X server is probably not configured correctly. |
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| 21:29.20 | xand | aguitel: does it start manually? |
| 21:29.21 | zamba | how can i restart the getty? |
| 21:29.31 | aguitel | xand, yes |
| 21:29.31 | zamba | is it possible? |
| 21:29.45 | babilen | aguitel: But gdm3 is not starting? |
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| 21:29.53 | aguitel | babilen, not |
| 21:29.54 | zamba | (i'm logged in over ssh, so i don't want to do something that can potentially shut me out) |
| 21:30.20 | babilen | aguitel: I would remove gdm3 and install gdm :) |
| 21:30.29 | Stefunel | babilen, thanks for the tip |
| 21:30.45 | aguitel | babilen, i try gdm and it works |
| 21:31.12 | babilen | Stefunel: It makes sense if you have some space (hdd/memory) constraints, but apart from that I just don't see the point. |
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| 21:31.25 | babilen | aguitel: gdm3 is a broken clusterfuck |
| 21:31.48 | aguitel | babilen, what that means |
| 21:32.00 | babilen | aguitel: What is your native language? |
| 21:32.08 | aguitel | babilen, spanish |
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| 21:32.51 | aguitel | babilen, have bugs? |
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| 21:33.57 | babilen | aguitel: Yes |
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| 21:34.19 | babilen | aguitel: I would just use gdm for now. </personal opinion> |
| 21:34.35 | aguitel | babilen, you recommend installing gdm |
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| 21:35.12 | babilen | aguitel: I recommend gdm over gdm3. My personal recommendation would be not to use a login manager at all. |
| 21:35.44 | aguitel | babilen, ok |
| 21:37.16 | xand | I would disagree with that c.c |
| 21:37.27 | babilen | xand: with what exactly? |
| 21:37.42 | xand | your second sentence |
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| 21:38.12 | babilen | hence the ample use of "personal" :) |
| 21:38.29 | Galaxyqweb | Is the defult iso the one linked on the home page? |
| 21:39.03 | babilen | Galaxyqweb: Given that it is linked on the homepage you might call it the default, yes. |
| 21:39.40 | Galaxyqweb | babilen: is it live or just an installer? |
| 21:39.41 | babilen | Galaxyqweb: It is by no means the correct or optimal image for every user though. |
| 21:39.49 | Galaxyqweb | babilen: I know that |
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| 21:40.35 | aguitel | i confirm gdm is working fine |
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| 21:41.24 | babilen | Galaxyqweb: It is the netinstall CD -- live images are available from http://live.debian.net |
| 21:41.45 | babilen | !debian live |
| 21:41.45 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
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| 21:43.40 | Galaxyqweb | babilen: and what is the main diffence between the dvd and cd in debian? |
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| 21:44.49 | babilen | Galaxyqweb: The DVD contains more packages. Note that you can easily download additional packages from the internet if your computer has a working network connection. |
| 21:45.13 | Galaxyqweb | babilen: okay thank you so much. |
| 21:46.16 | babilen | Galaxyqweb: Do you have a working connection? How do you connect? What kind of machine are you installing on? Do you want to install a graphical environment and if yes, which desktop environment / window manager do you prefer? |
| 21:46.53 | agike | Hi, my wheezy/sid distro freezes at login with no response to keybd and mouse. I can get into 'recovery' mode but update and upgrade don't work. I have updated /etc/X11/xorg.conf kbd and mouse sections with no change. I have tried (as root) 'dpkg -reconfigure -phigh xserver-org', 'hald --daemon=no --use-syslog --verbose=yes', and 'apt-get --reinstall install hal-info' and 'apt-get reinstall hal-info'. |
| 21:46.55 | agike | CTRL-ALT-F1 during boot does not get me into a text screen (frustrating !). I am writing this from a WattOS distro on the other drive, from which I can mount wheezy/sid via fstab. If I can get a working network connection on wheezy ol' sid, I think I should be OK. Any ideas ? |
| 21:47.26 | Galaxyqweb | babilen: Yes, Fiber Optic, 32 bit, Gnome and Kde. |
| 21:47.51 | babilen | agike: wheezy/sid? not a good idea right now. We've just released and you're in for a bumpy ride. |
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| 21:48.14 | agike | Heh, it's like a marriage. I'm committed. |
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| 21:48.46 | babilen | Galaxyqweb: Are you by any chance using a *NIX system with "lspci" installed right now? If yes, run "lspci -nn" and put it into a pastebin :) |
| 21:48.55 | cast | commited and beyond our help |
| 21:50.04 | Galaxyqweb | babilen: why do you want that? |
| 21:50.13 | agike | babilen: I might stick with WattOS for a while, thanks. |
| 21:50.23 | babilen | Galaxyqweb: But I guess you are fine with any netinstall. I wouldn't install the desktop task though, but install a minimal+standard system. Boot the new system and install xorg (aptitude install xorg) and gnome (aptitude install gnome-session) manually. The "Desktop" task contains a bunch of IMHO unneeded packages. |
| 21:50.50 | Galaxyqweb | babilen: I am downloading the live gnome cd right now... |
| 21:51.30 | babilen | Galaxyqweb: If you could provide that I could make sure that you don't need any firmware for your NIC, so you can indeed use the standard netinstall image. If you need firmware you could download an unofficla image with included firmware. |
| 21:51.45 | babilen | !tell Galaxyqweb -about firmware images |
| 21:52.16 | babilen | Galaxyqweb: Ah, the live variant. Ok, might be useful, but you don't need it if you just want to install. :) |
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| 21:52.59 | Galaxyqweb | babilen: I am going to try the live gnome on one computer and install it on my other one when I get it back.. |
| 21:53.20 | babilen | Galaxyqweb: Sure. Have fun! Just tried to recommend the best suited image. :) |
| 21:53.31 | Galaxyqweb | babilen: ty |
| 21:54.10 | cast | image is very important |
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| 21:56.40 | babilen | agike: xorg is massively broken in sid right now (or was the last time I checked) -- I would just use squeeze for the time being until sid/wheezy settled a bit or invest a lot of work+packages from squeeze/wheezy/sid/experimental to get it into a more or less "usable" state. |
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| 21:57.34 | Galaxyqweb | wheezy is a penguin =P |
| 21:57.45 | babilen | agike: There have been a bunch of mails on debian-user on this and some might even have figured out how to solve it. |
| 21:58.00 | babilen | Galaxyqweb: yes, tux's sister |
| 21:58.09 | babilen | (i am lying) |
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| 21:58.27 | babilen | s/ly/lie argh |
| 21:58.43 | peja | hi again. is there something broken at suphp ... simple asking id test fails... i's showing just blank page at browser (new confs or something?) |
| 21:58.51 | babilen | s:s/ly/lie::g |
| 21:59.06 | Galaxyqweb | is ubuntu based off of sid or testing? |
| 21:59.24 | cast | Galaxyqweb: who knows and why would we care |
| 21:59.53 | Galaxyqweb | cast: I was just woundoring |
| 22:00.15 | Galaxyqweb | ahhgg |
| 22:00.15 | Galaxyqweb | I can't spell |
| 22:00.17 | Galaxyqweb | wondering* |
| 22:00.22 | Galaxyqweb | =( |
| 22:01.59 | agike | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.04 | babilen | agike: http://lists.debian.org or GMANE ? |
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| 22:03.37 | lenswipe | why cant i move apps between displays on extended desktop? |
| 22:03.46 | lenswipe | the app gets to the edge of a display and refuses to go any further |
| 22:03.53 | lenswipe | is this a design feature or something? |
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| 22:05.09 | agike | babilen: thanks |
| 22:05.51 | cast | lenswipe: get a decent wm |
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| 22:06.02 | lenswipe | cast, im using GNOME |
| 22:06.08 | lenswipe | cast, using metacity |
| 22:06.13 | lenswipe | cast, mind reccomending one? |
| 22:06.26 | cast | e16 |
| 22:06.36 | babilen | hah! |
| 22:07.02 | lenswipe | cast, ... |
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| 22:07.53 | lenswipe | anyone else in here know of a way to move apps between displays? |
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| 22:08.31 | cast | you know GNOME used to use e right |
| 22:08.39 | lenswipe | no i didnt know that |
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| 22:10.28 | lenswipe | who decided that it would be a good idea to make applications only run on the primary monitor? |
| 22:10.29 | lenswipe | its fucking stupid |
| 22:11.09 | cast | that's GNOME's target audience, isn't it ;) |
| 22:11.34 | cast | i certainly don't regret moving away from those heavy DEs |
| 22:11.40 | lenswipe | right. |
| 22:12.19 | AciD | during the install, update-grub found all my other oses, but now when I use 'update-grub', it just find the debian kernel, and don't update the other oses ones. Am i doing something wrong ? |
| 22:12.23 | cast | turns out i only need something to manage terminals, www browser and have mplayer display to |
| 22:12.25 | lenswipe | cast, im listening to linux outlaws right now and they're on about linux on the desktop and the average user not being able to get to grips with linux |
| 22:12.28 | lenswipe | cast, i can see why |
| 22:12.48 | cast | your problem isn't why |
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| 22:12.54 | cast | nor is it insight into why |
| 22:13.01 | cast | windows is far more restricted |
| 22:13.03 | lenswipe | cast, its very much insight into why |
| 22:13.18 | lenswipe | cast, MS software does at least support more than one display |
| 22:13.29 | cast | i'm presuming these average users it talks about are the ones that can come to grips with windows |
| 22:13.36 | lenswipe | rather than having someone there saying shit like "oh, nobody will ever use more than 1 monitor" |
| 22:13.49 | cast | no one's said that ;( |
| 22:14.00 | cast | so whats your problem, is the right monitor an empty desktop? |
| 22:14.09 | thinksteve | What app are you actually trying to move? |
| 22:14.16 | lenswipe | cast, i can only run xchat on the right monitor |
| 22:14.27 | lenswipe | cast, anything more than that just appears on the left monitor and refuses to move |
| 22:14.29 | lenswipe | thinksteve, anything |
| 22:14.37 | lenswipe | i try and drag them accross, and they wont leave the monitor |
| 22:14.39 | lenswipe | WTF?! |
| 22:15.03 | cast | so you can't drag it with the 4 miniture boxes on the menubar/toolbar thingy GNOME has? |
| 22:15.21 | lenswipe | cast, what 4 miniture boxes? |
| 22:15.29 | lenswipe | right ok, i have say firefox running on my left monitor |
| 22:15.35 | lenswipe | i try and click and drag it to the right monitor |
| 22:15.43 | lenswipe | it reaches the edge of the left monitor and i cant drag it any further |
| 22:15.51 | lenswipe | i can move the mouse between displays |
| 22:15.54 | lenswipe | but not applications |
| 22:16.01 | lenswipe | WTF is going on? |
| 22:16.05 | cast | at the bottom right of a GNOME desktop by default there is 4 boxes, for your 4 virtual desktops |
| 22:16.09 | Joe7 | Is there any way to create /dev/sd* files? The system detects the drives (during boot) but I can not mount them as /dev/sd* files are missing except from a few. ?! |
| 22:16.19 | lenswipe | cast, im not trying to move apps between virtual desktops |
| 22:16.24 | lenswipe | cast, what does that have to do with anything? |
| 22:16.33 | cast | you can move *within* desktops, too |
| 22:16.34 | lenswipe | cast, im trying to move it between 2 mon....screw it ill show you... |
| 22:16.35 | lenswipe | hang on |
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| 22:18.32 | jhutchins | lenswipe: It sounds like you have a virtual desktop on each monitor rather than a single desktop spread across them. |
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| 22:18.45 | lenswipe | jhutchins, could be |
| 22:18.53 | cast | but he said he didn't |
| 22:18.57 | Fah | lenswipe: turn on xinirama |
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| 22:19.02 | lenswipe | Fah, what is that? |
| 22:19.03 | cast | brb getting a kitchen knife |
| 22:19.14 | Fah | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinerama |
| 22:19.17 | jhutchins | lenswipe: It's the feature you're looking for. |
| 22:19.24 | Fah | you want multihead display |
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| 22:19.27 | Fah | that is what you need in X111 |
| 22:19.28 | lenswipe | yeah i do |
| 22:19.32 | Fah | 11 even |
| 22:19.39 | jhutchins | lenswipe: One desktop stretched across multiple monitors. |
| 22:19.43 | lenswipe | yeah |
| 22:19.51 | lenswipe | how do i install it? |
| 22:19.59 | jhutchins | Fah: Ours goes to 111! |
| 22:20.08 | Fah | xorg supports it, you just have to configure xorg.conf |
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| 22:20.25 | lenswipe | Fah, and how do i do that? |
| 22:20.26 | jhutchins | !xinerama |
| 22:20.26 | dpkg | i guess xinerama is where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html , or functionality is provided by randr in recent Xorg drivers, ask me about <randr>. |
| 22:20.35 | Fah | you read the fine manual |
| 22:20.41 | lenswipe | Fah, i am doing |
| 22:20.43 | Fah | i dunno. I dont touch X11 desktops |
| 22:20.48 | Fah | that brain cell died |
| 22:20.56 | lenswipe | jhutchins, is it something i have to install, or just configure xorg? |
| 22:21.06 | Fah | you should just have to reconfigure things |
| 22:21.06 | ttiicc | does some one in here know how to configure/install a gamepad? cauase I would like to use my logitech precision while playing zsnes games |
| 22:21.07 | jhutchins | lenswipe: I think you just configure it. |
| 22:21.11 | lenswipe | kk |
| 22:21.16 | ttiicc | any help will be appreciated! |
| 22:21.29 | Fah | its's an xorg module you need to load and a couple of lines in xorg.conf to configure things if i recall |
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| 22:21.38 | Fah | its been ages since I had to muck with it. |
| 22:21.52 | agike | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.54 | Fah | to their credit, most distros detect multi monitors and do the right thing these days |
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| 22:23.14 | jhutchins | Fah: for certain values of "right". |
| 22:24.03 | Fah | it's a generalization, there's some grey areas |
| 22:24.33 | jhutchins | multihead is one of those things that some people like one way and some another. |
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| 22:25.27 | lenswipe | jhutchins, well bugger me... |
| 22:25.33 | lenswipe | i use the nvidia config thin |
| 22:25.36 | lenswipe | thing |
| 22:25.47 | lenswipe | theres a button in there - "Enable xinerama" |
| 22:25.55 | jhutchins | Spoing. |
| 22:26.02 | anddam | I just changed lenny/volatile to squeeze-updates in sources.list, dpkg talks about using "cdn.debian.net" can I still use the mirror I was using with lenny/volatile? |
| 22:26.20 | jhutchins | !volitile |
| 22:26.20 | dpkg | Squeeze users, ask me about <squeeze volatile>. Debian Volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <oldstable> distribution up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. http://www.debian.org/volatile/ |
| 22:26.30 | jhutchins | !squeeze volitile |
| 22:26.43 | jhutchins | !squeeze volatile |
| 22:26.43 | dpkg | The Debian <Volatile> archive is discontinued starting from Debian 6.0, replaced by the squeeze-updates suite on official mirrors. Your squeeze sources.list could have "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free". http://lists.debian.org/debian-volatile-announce/2011/msg00000.html . Not to be confused with <squeeze/updates>, ask me about <security>. |
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| 22:28.22 | anddam | jhutchins: that doesn't answer my question, I made the question exaclty because I had just asked that to dpkg |
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| 22:29.34 | jhutchins | anddam: Sorry, should have read more carefully. Yes, squeeze-updates should be on all the mirrors afaik. |
| 22:29.47 | anddam | thanks |
| 22:30.07 | babilen | anddam: no you can't use "volatile.debian.org" but you don't have to use cdn either. |
| 22:30.24 | anddam | I wasn't using volatile.debian.org |
| 22:30.37 | anddam | my VPS provider was using .de mirror |
| 22:30.55 | anddam | and I wonder why considering that AFAIK they are in .ca |
| 22:30.58 | babilen | anddam: Ah, That would have been the correct mirror for volatile. Hence ... ah well, I guess everyhting is clear now? |
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| 22:31.16 | anddam | sure, I'll check the mirror, eventually I'l fall back to what dpkg says |
| 22:31.19 | anddam | i'll |
| 22:31.21 | babilen | anddam: Its the german quality :) |
| 22:31.26 | anddam | indeed |
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| 22:32.26 | anddam | why no aptitude for upgrading? |
| 22:32.31 | jhutchins | Back when I used mandrake/mandriva the fastest mirrors for me were in Switzerland, even though I'm in the middle of the U.S. |
| 22:32.35 | anddam | " Use apt-get for the upgrade" |
| 22:32.42 | anddam | jhutchins: that's odd |
| 22:32.51 | jhutchins | anddam: It's possible for it to get caught in a resolution loop. |
| 22:32.54 | anddam | but .ch is pretty fast from here too |
| 22:33.43 | jhutchins | anddam: I really haven't had much trouble with the U.S. Debian mirrors - then again, we don't all upgrade on the same day (I especially don't). |
| 22:34.07 | anddam | "Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed" I think I don't need it because I don't know what that mean |
| 22:34.09 | anddam | means* |
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| 22:34.38 | anddam | how nice |
| 22:34.42 | anddam | Err http://ftp.de.debian.org squeeze/updates/main Packages |
| 22:34.42 | anddam | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:35.01 | ansgar | anddam: squeeze- |
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| 22:35.31 | ansgar | anddam: squeeze/updates is on secuity.d.o, the main mirrors have squeeze-updates (which is different). You probably want both. |
| 22:35.38 | anddam | that's for security |
| 22:35.47 | anddam | I have both |
| 22:36.19 | anddam | isn't squeeze/updates mirrored? |
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| 22:36.25 | anddam | only secuirty.d.o? |
| 22:37.01 | jhutchins | !mirrors |
| 22:37.01 | dpkg | it has been said that debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
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| 22:37.20 | anddam | I assumed security was mirrored too as I had deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-security lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
| 22:37.33 | ansgar | anddam: No, there are no official mirrors, cf. http://www.debian.org/security/faq#mirror |
| 22:37.35 | GaLaXY_ | I am using an ATI Radeon 9600 chipset on my d6 system. I'm wondering if the legacy fglrx are still maintained by ati? |
| 22:38.08 | amphi | GaLaXY_: does the radeon driver not support that card well? |
| 22:38.39 | GaLaXY_ | amphi: iḿ looking for improved 3d performance, but am unsure if |
| 22:38.44 | Dave_and_Damo | or rather you are the reason it died |
| 22:38.58 | GaLaXY_ | the legacy fglrx drivers would be preferred over radeon for this purpose |
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| 22:40.50 | lenswipe | how do i read and write NTFS from debian? |
| 22:41.49 | amphi | !ntfs |
| 22:41.49 | dpkg | [ntfs] Windows NT File System. There are 3 drivers in Debian: the read-only Linux kernel driver and <FUSE> drivers providing write support. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <ntfsck>, <label>. FAQ: http://linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en . http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS http://linux-ntfs.org/ #ntfs on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 22:42.25 | lenswipe | !ntfsrw |
| 22:42.26 | dpkg | If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from the ntfsprogs package (see also Debian bug #508982). See also <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 22:42.32 | lenswipe | !ntfs-3g |
| 22:42.33 | dpkg | from memory, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance, packaged for Debian. Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 22:42.40 | zulax | it doesnt work -> echo $PWD | xclip |
| 22:42.52 | zulax | trying to copy to clipboard |
| 22:42.57 | zulax | the content of pwd |
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| 22:50.03 | anddam | this was unexpected |
| 22:50.20 | anddam | uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,' returned 2.6.18-194.26.1.el5.028stab079.2.pony3 |
| 22:51.12 | amphi | heh |
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| 22:52.03 | plasticbag | Hi. I need some help setting up NFS. When I try to mount with mount.nfs /disk1 /mnt it says "No such file or directory". Here's some info: http://codepad.org/aFP4awEV |
| 22:53.28 | plasticbag | Actually, the command I'm using is mount.nfs 192.168.0.1:/disk1 /mnt |
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| 22:58.27 | Galaxyqweb | how well does debian run on intel macs? |
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| 23:04.49 | pipeline | Galaxyqweb: I'm told that it runs great |
| 23:05.05 | pipeline | Galaxyqweb: but linux does not support the multiple-graphics-chip stuff possibly present in the newest mac laptops |
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| 23:05.59 | streuner_ | Galaxyqweb: a Macbook Pro is very well supported, Knoppix just run fine on it... |
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| 23:06.28 | Galaxyqweb | streuner_: I am talking about debian not knoppix |
| 23:06.32 | streuner_ | Galaxyqweb: no problems to use wireless (atheros) or graphics (nividia) |
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| 23:06.53 | Galaxyqweb | I am just trying it in a live cd |
| 23:06.59 | streuner_ | Galaxyqweb: well, if it runs on 6.4, its not a problem with Debian as well |
| 23:07.01 | Galaxyqweb | no installing it on my mac |
| 23:07.12 | Galaxyqweb | not* |
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| 23:12.13 | debiantonio | guys, put my nvidia videocard to trash, debian 6.0 do it |
| 23:12.37 | amphi | debian ate my video card? ;) |
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| 23:13.18 | streuner_ | omg, its sunday here ... ;-) |
| 23:13.24 | debiantonio | onboard 16mb :) |
| 23:13.28 | streuner_ | So 13. Feb 00:13:17 CET 2011 |
| 23:13.52 | debiantonio | amphi, MX440 |
| 23:13.57 | tvm | mmm sunday. |
| 23:14.25 | amphi | debiantonio: I lost my one-time pad, sorry |
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| 23:15.12 | debiantonio | amphi, i lost 36 hours, nouveau fonts cannot display |
| 23:15.46 | amphi | debiantonio: I have never had an nvidia card, so no use telling me |
| 23:15.52 | amphi | !comfort debiantonio |
| 23:15.52 | dpkg | There, there, debiantonio. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:16.01 | amphi | that's the best I can do |
| 23:16.50 | debiantonio | AGP |
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| 23:33.00 | anao | hello@all does anyone know to setup debian on CF-Disk must /tmp setup as ramdrive? inside ram? |
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| 23:35.50 | johntramp | hi. when upgrading flash I am getting this error: ERROR: sha512sum rejected install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz |
| 23:36.05 | pipeline | anao: depends on the CF disk. Lots of flash systems will do their own wear levelling, now. |
| 23:36.11 | johntramp | this is on testing |
| 23:36.23 | johntramp | are others getting the same? |
| 23:36.24 | pipeline | anao: also just in general flash CHIPS, the underlying devices, behind the flash controller, are very very very durable in 2011 -- wear leveling is barely necessary at all |
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| 23:37.15 | anao | hello@all thanks |
| 23:37.29 | anao | i try to use for thinclient |
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| 23:48.50 | zvrk | hi new channel #eminem hwho want to follow go there |
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| 23:51.02 | wagle | hi -- how do I run the install scripts for a package? (eg b43-fwcutter) |
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| 23:52.44 | babilen | wagle: You can find them in /var/lib/dpkg/info -- but running them manually is rarely needed. |
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| 23:52.57 | zvrk | hi new channel #eminem hwho want to follow go there |
| 23:53.09 | babilen | wagle: dpkg-reconfigure or a reinstall might be all you need. |
| 23:53.35 | babilen | zvrk: You said that already and it is quite off-topic here |
| 23:53.40 | wagle | its the -reconfigure incantation I was looking for and not finding |
| 23:54.47 | babilen | wagle: it is "dpkg-reconfigure PKG" -- what are you trying to do? |
| 23:54.59 | Galaxyqweb | how often does debian stable update? |
| 23:56.33 | pipeline | Galaxyqweb: never |
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| 23:56.48 | rafuch0 | what means Bandwidth throttling ? |
| 23:56.48 | babilen | !release history |
| 23:56.49 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06). The next release will be Wheezy. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparc |
| 23:56.49 | babilen | dpkg: release history |
| 23:57.06 | babilen | Galaxyqweb: Apart from that there are "point" releases every now and then |
| 23:57.27 | wagle | babilen: its supposed to give a dialog asking questions when being installed.. not happening, even with reconfigure, or complete uninstall and install |
| 23:57.29 | montyboy | I cannot find anything on Debian's stance on LibreOffice. I know it is in sid at the moment. |
| 23:57.29 | streuner_ | Galaxyqweb: why are you interested at all? |
| 23:57.43 | Galaxyqweb | streuner_: ? |
| 23:58.06 | streuner_ | Galaxyqweb: you told us that you arent install Debian on your Macbook Pro :-) |
| 23:58.11 | Galaxyqweb | so every 2 years |
| 23:58.22 | babilen | wagle: Purge it and or change the priority for dpkg-reconfigure. Purging is probably the easiest solution |
| 23:58.23 | nkuttler | Galaxyqweb: there are security updates all the time |
| 23:58.28 | wagle | i'll try some other things |
| 23:58.28 | Galaxyqweb | streuner_: I did not say was not going to install it =P |
| 23:58.32 | anddam | what's the supposed output of 'uname -r' like? |
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| 23:58.52 | anddam | dpkg suggests apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev |
| 23:59.02 | nkuttler | anddam: why don't you just run the command? |
| 23:59.03 | Galaxyqweb | nkuttler: I mean distro updates |
| 23:59.03 | anddam | but that doesn't make sense on my system |
| 23:59.13 | rafuch0 | i am a Spanish speaker and i dont understand that word can someone please tell me what it means "Bandwidth throttling" that i can control the band-wide? |
| 23:59.21 | anddam | nkuttler: I didn't say I haven't run it |
| 23:59.32 | anddam | enjoy my uname |
| 23:59.34 | anddam | uname -r |
| 23:59.35 | anddam | 2.6.18-194.26.1.el5.028stab079.2.pony3 |
| 23:59.53 | nkuttler | anddam: that's not a debian kernel, is it? |
