| 00:00.19 | Galaxyqweb | rafuch0: bandwidth throttling means that someone is limiting the amount of bandwidth you can use |
| 00:00.20 | anddam | it's an el-cheapo VPS running a debian system, am I not supposed to upgrade the kernel too? |
| 00:00.43 | nkuttler | anddam: fwiw, that seems to ouput the architecutre, 686 for me on this box |
| 00:00.44 | babilen | anddam: Yes, please upgrade. .18 is ancient |
| 00:01.22 | nkuttler | usually the hoster upgrades vps kernels |
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| 00:01.40 | rafuch0 | ohh ok ... thanks so basically means Bandwidth control... thanks Galaxyqweb :) |
| 00:01.50 | anddam | should I go with .30 or .32? |
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| 00:02.02 | Galaxyqweb | rafuch0: your welcome |
| 00:02.07 | babilen | rafuch0: #debian-es or a dictionay might be able to help. It is basically capping the bandwith "throttle" as in "reducing speed" |
| 00:03.10 | rafuch0 | no no i check the google translator and stuff but you know how translators are ..... they are WACK X ) |
| 00:03.21 | Galaxyqweb | The main debian download server is slow =P |
| 00:03.59 | nkuttler | !tell Galaxyqweb about netselect |
| 00:03.59 | babilen | !mirrors |
| 00:04.00 | streuner_ | Galaxyqweb: 8 |
| 00:04.12 | babilen | slow dpkg is slow |
| 00:04.28 | streuner_ | Galaxyqweb: you didnt unterstand Debian at all |
| 00:04.58 | streuner_ | Galaxyqweb: if you want change something, YOU have to do something then... |
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| 00:05.13 | Galaxyqweb | streuner_: I was joking... |
| 00:05.16 | babilen | Galaxyqweb: You might want to use apt-spy or netselect or choose a different mirror at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 00:05.30 | Galaxyqweb | babilen: I was joking |
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| 00:06.01 | wagle | hmm.. b43_fwcutter is the firmware installer.. a DIFFERENT package actually installs the firmware (unlike the instructions at the website the kernel driver sends you to says) |
| 00:06.07 | babilen | Galaxyqweb: Well, thanks for getting me to think about your problems and working for you. |
| 00:06.11 | anddam | babilen: probably I should have updated the kernel while still in lenny |
| 00:06.12 | streuner_ | Galaxyqweb: i wasnt joking if i said, Debian just run fine on Macbook Pro |
| 00:06.21 | streuner_ | s/if/when/ |
| 00:06.36 | babilen | wagle: It might help if you let us know what you are actually trying to do. |
| 00:06.48 | Galaxyqweb | babilen: sorry =( |
| 00:06.53 | babilen | anddam: Which kernel do you run now? |
| 00:07.13 | frikimaster | Can someone helpme with netboot to install kfreebsd? |
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| 00:07.49 | wagle | babilen: i just did.. it works.. the install config for fwcutter was supposed to do the install, but this other package did that |
| 00:07.59 | anddam | babilen: actually, uname apart, I can't say |
| 00:08.02 | wagle | babilen: thanks! |
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| 00:10.49 | anddam | babilen: wanna guess? http://pastesite.com/21711 |
| 00:10.49 | babilen | wagle: Are you talking about firmware-b43-installer ? |
| 00:10.49 | babilen | wagle: Anyway, good you sorted it out. Have a nice evening :) |
| 00:10.49 | wagle | babilen: yes, searched for fwcutter the first time, didnt see it |
| 00:11.06 | frikimaster | when netbooting, grub2pxe show "Welcome to GRUB!" and freeze |
| 00:12.22 | anddam | babilen: even more important http://pastesite.com/21712 |
| 00:12.29 | babilen | wagle: Yes, in the old days you had to extract the firmware from some windows/osx drivers manually with fwcutter and place them in /lib/firmware/ :) |
| 00:12.35 | frikimaster | i just check the documentation, but seems to be incomplete ( http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/kfreebsd-i386/ch04s05.html.en ) |
| 00:13.17 | babilen | anddam: Ok - why don't you install a recent Debian kernel? |
| 00:13.39 | anddam | because I don't know which one I should install, that's what I'm asking |
| 00:13.42 | anddam | .32 ? |
| 00:14.02 | babilen | anddam: Ah, ok. Which architecture do you use? |
| 00:14.05 | anddam | i686 |
| 00:14.35 | anddam | but I can't see a bootloader and seems to be no linux-image installed so even installing a deb package witha a kernel probably won't make the system boot into it |
| 00:14.49 | babilen | anddam: Just install linux-image-2.6-686 then -- It depends on the newest kernel (.32 in this case) |
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| 00:15.19 | anddam | installing a new kernel image makes sense when there's an older kernel image |
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| 00:15.33 | babilen | anddam: You don't have a boot loader installed? You might want to install grub-pc then, which will be configured automatically to boot the kernel. |
| 00:15.49 | Arrowmaster | anddam: this is for a VPS right? |
| 00:15.57 | anddam | Arrowmaster: it is |
| 00:16.01 | babilen | ah, ok |
| 00:16.13 | Arrowmaster | do you know what kind of VPS? like Xen or OpenVZ? |
| 00:16.22 | anddam | Arrowmaster: I think they have made some auto-magic vodoo, I never seen an uname output like that |
| 00:16.25 | anddam | actually I don't know |
| 00:16.35 | anddam | any /proc misterious path I could check in? |
| 00:16.48 | anddam | I'm checking the VPS control panel |
| 00:17.14 | Arrowmaster | no clue, i dont actually have any experience with VPS myself but ive seen people run into issues trying to upgrade their OpenVZ VPSs |
| 00:17.27 | Arrowmaster | and those are also the ones that seem to have custom kernels |
| 00:18.06 | Arrowmaster | so i figured it might be good to bring this up before you get too far |
| 00:18.21 | anddam | Arrowmaster: this seems to be openvz |
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| 00:19.12 | Arrowmaster | somebody else might be able to confirm but i vaguely remember people saying it wasnt possible to upgrade the kernel on an openvz vps |
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| 00:19.40 | anddam | so I'm just leaving the kernel as it is |
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| 00:19.58 | Arrowmaster | and that it prevented upgrading to squeeze because the new udev needs a new kernel |
| 00:20.12 | babilen | anddam: I would either contact your provider/hoster or ask in #openvz |
| 00:20.13 | yagoo | do i simply use pcm.card0{ card1 << if i want to use card1 for alsa? |
| 00:20.28 | yagoo | (as the default) |
| 00:20.29 | anddam | I see the cpanel has a squeeze image option marked as "beta" |
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| 00:20.54 | techouse | congrats on 6.0 :) |
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| 00:22.37 | debiantonio | flight by night - Rush :) |
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| 00:34.57 | Joint | HEY |
| 00:35.00 | Joint | can someone help me |
| 00:35.11 | Joint | I'm having some trouble with nvidia module |
| 00:35.33 | Joint | for example it does not boot up with my graphics the nvidia card, and it the module has been loaded it |
| 00:35.44 | Joint | and is not showing no sign of working with the driver that I've download it, |
| 00:36.05 | babilen | Joint: Download? |
| 00:36.13 | babilen | !nvidia dkms |
| 00:36.14 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>. |
| 00:36.22 | babilen | Joint: Like this ^^^ ? |
| 00:36.25 | Joint | babilen yeah from apt-get |
| 00:36.39 | Joint | but the driver seem not working |
| 00:37.53 | macrobat | Joint: default kernel? |
| 00:37.57 | anddam | I just checked the 6.0 VPS image and it's still on 2.6.18 |
| 00:37.58 | Joint | yeah |
| 00:38.09 | Joint | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 00:38.42 | Joint | ls |
| 00:39.17 | macrobat | old card? |
| 00:39.17 | babilen | Two things: Are you sure that you've installed the correct version for your card? (you might need the 173xx or 96xx one) -- Also, have you created/edited your xorg.conf or ran a command like in the factoid above? You might also want to paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://paste.debian.net |
| 00:39.39 | yagoo | anyone knows where to get a low cost mini/macro-itx hardware? (headless mini server for 4-5 users) |
| 00:40.04 | Joint | nope is not old |
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| 00:43.20 | babilen | Joint: ^^ + lspci -nn |
| 00:43.40 | Joint | geforce 8200m |
| 00:44.14 | Joint | geforce 8200 |
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| 00:45.43 | Joint | that's my graphic card |
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| 00:47.05 | mylox | win 1 |
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| 00:48.59 | Joint | any help? |
| 00:49.11 | usr13 | I see debian-6.0.0-i386-DVD-1.iso and DVD-2.iso and DVD-3.iso all the way up to 8. Which one do I need for a Debian install? |
| 00:49.23 | Joint | the first |
| 00:49.25 | Joint | usr13 |
| 00:49.48 | usr13 | Joint: Is there a default install or what? |
| 00:49.57 | mhi^ | Hi. I have some problems with Xmodmap (mapping Control to Caps_Lock). The exact problem is described in the link: http://ideone.com/il8FG |
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| 00:50.09 | babilen | usr13: the netinstall if you have a working (wired) internet connection during the install. CD1 flavour of your choice or DVD1 |
| 00:50.11 | streuner_ | usr13: netinstall |
| 00:50.11 | usr13 | Joint: I guess my question is: What are my options? |
| 00:50.23 | streuner_ | !netinstall |
| 00:50.24 | dpkg | well, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 00:50.29 | debiantonio | usr13, cd1 |
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| 00:51.05 | usr13 | debiantonio: And that gives us a sort of base or default set of applications? |
| 00:51.48 | streuner_ | nah, you install everything later :-) |
| 00:52.02 | streuner_ | default apps and kernel |
| 00:52.12 | streuner_ | everything you install later then |
| 00:52.22 | debiantonio | usr13, system base and graphical only ,1001 packages |
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| 00:53.09 | streuner_ | Debian Users are usually pretty lazy and dont want waste bandwith :-P |
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| 00:53.24 | streuner_ | so they use netinstall :- |
| 00:53.43 | mhi^ | stabs xmodmap in the back |
| 00:54.01 | debiantonio | i'm get cd1 |
| 00:54.16 | debiantonio | always...mania :) |
| 00:54.20 | babilen | Joint: Please give us the information I requested ... Also did you follow the stops in the factoid above? (i.e. installed the -dkms package / configured a device section) -- also lspci -nn output |
| 00:55.41 | babilen | s/stops/steps :) |
| 00:56.48 | Joint | the card is geforce 8200 babilen |
| 00:56.57 | Joint | that's the one it says in lspci -nn |
| 00:57.11 | streuner_ | dpkg, listvals 8200 |
| 00:57.12 | dpkg | Factoid search of '8200' by value returned no results. |
| 00:57.38 | Joint | dpkg owner is Joint |
| 00:57.38 | dpkg | ...but owner is already something else... |
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| 00:57.43 | debiantonio | streuner, time install for netinstall? |
| 00:57.44 | Joint | !owner |
| 00:57.44 | dpkg | dondelelcaro owns me |
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| 00:58.13 | streuner_ | debiantonio: sure :-) |
| 00:58.27 | streuner_ | debiantonio: just /msg dpkg install |
| 00:58.32 | streuner_ | debiantonio: just /msg dpkg netinstall |
| 00:58.46 | debiantonio | streuner, time to install |
| 00:59.32 | debiantonio | streuner, 5 mins, 60 mins.... |
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| 01:01.19 | babilen | Joint: No lspci for me? Also no xorg log? Well, i'll head to bed then. Have a good night -- You might want to ask judd about "pciid PCIID" and "xorg PCIID" -- Also make sure to follow the one-liner above and paste the LOGS. Have fun. |
| 01:01.43 | streuner | babilen: gn |
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| 01:04.39 | streuner | babilen: you cant give up, do you? :-) |
| 01:05.04 | streuner | throw babilen into bed :- |
| 01:05.06 | streuner | :-) |
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| 01:06.19 | Devastator | streuner night :) |
| 01:07.07 | debiantonio | yeahhh, beer break :) |
| 01:07.18 | Big_Brother | Does a console use a type of 'cleartype' |
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| 01:08.36 | Arrowmaster | cleartype? as in the microsoft font stuff? |
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| 01:09.22 | Big_Brother | A type of it, yes, Arrowmaster. |
| 01:09.37 | Big_Brother | Just, uh, smoothin' out the edges, etc. |
| 01:10.09 | Arrowmaster | i dont think anything like that is possible on a tty |
| 01:10.21 | Big_Brother | K |
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| 01:14.21 | streuner | hm |
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| 01:35.11 | agike | baliben: I tried "update-rc.d gdm defaults" in recovery mode without success. |
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| 01:36.34 | agike | Is there any way of going into text mode from CLI, rather than pressing |
| 01:36.50 | agike | ALT-CTRL-F1 ? |
| 01:37.09 | Big_Brother | Make a launcher. |
| 01:37.38 | agike | BB: a luncher ? |
| 01:37.57 | Big_Brother | Program launcher. |
| 01:38.12 | Big_Brother | Write a script, make a launcher, done. etc. |
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| 01:40.07 | agike | BB: sorry, I'm a non comp.sci user. That would have to be done from GRUB2. Can you point me to any examples or sources ? |
| 01:40.53 | Joe7 | Noob question, but is it possible to update etc/blkid.tab? Seems to be out of sync, drives missing from there (and from /dev/drives/ as well) |
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| 01:41.51 | agike | # debian ? |
| 01:42.01 | agike | Ah ! |
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| 01:43.33 | agike | BB: got it |
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| 01:52.55 | ariaxu | has decided to commit to working towards becoming a DD. Lots of reading to do. |
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| 01:56.38 | karlpinc | What does this dmesg line mean, bad hardware? APIC error on CPU0: 02(02) |
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| 02:01.27 | mmind | my End and PgDn keys no longer give the right effect in squeeze. has this come up before? |
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| 02:05.55 | agike | BB: .. I think |
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| 02:15.34 | htek | Hello what does it mean in /etc/shadow if a '!' is before the encrypted password? |
| 02:16.44 | ZykoticK9 | htek, i'm surprised you'd see a ! before a set password, as ! means password is disabled or not set usually |
| 02:18.08 | htek | ZykoticK9: Nah I think it makes sense, thanks :) I couldnt find that anywhere in the manual |
| 02:18.08 | Tramp | htek: man shadow |
| 02:18.09 | htek | Tramp: what I just said ... |
| 02:18.09 | Tramp | also man usermode, search for "lock" |
| 02:18.10 | Tramp | usermod |
| 02:18.16 | htek | Tramp ahhh thanks |
| 02:18.38 | Tramp | what do you mean by "what I just said"? |
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| 02:19.32 | htek | that it wasn't in shadow :) |
| 02:19.48 | Tramp | it sure is in mine |
| 02:20.11 | htek | I'm on another distro atm =/ |
| 02:20.15 | Tramp | "A password field which starts with a exclamation mark means that the password is locked." |
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| 02:27.39 | trebuchet | Parsifal: How goes gnewsense |
| 02:28.04 | Parsifal | trebuchet: I don't know, I don't use it. |
| 02:28.18 | trebuchet | Parsifal: Not anymore? |
| 02:29.17 | trebuchet | What about hacking Jackd to run on GNU/Linux using OSSv4? |
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| 02:31.39 | tonytraductor | Is stew/mike the tritium guy here? |
| 02:32.53 | agike | BB: I think .. |
| 02:33.11 | tonytraductor | there really is NO documentation for this wm |
| 02:33.18 | tonytraductor | I'm using it right now, but a bit lost |
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| 02:33.41 | tonytraductor | I suspect it functions similar to ion3, in terms of keybindings, but I haven' t used that since 2009 |
| 02:34.00 | tonytraductor | and I' m reading the keys.py script, but don't know what M4 is, etc. |
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| 02:34.24 | tonytraductor | m1 I assume is left-alt, likely m2 is right-alt, but m3 and m4? |
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| 02:38.34 | tonytraductor | hmmm |
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| 02:41.23 | tonytraductor | how does a guy release a window manager without any documentation, and get it into debian? |
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| 02:41.55 | tonytraductor | I' ve written more useful software, and none of my stuff is in debian |
| 02:42.25 | johntramp | what does tritium have going for it? I have never heard of it before |
| 02:43.12 | tonytraductor | it LOOKS like ion3, tabbed/tiling, which I do like |
| 02:43.31 | tonytraductor | and, it's written in python, instead of C with Lua bindings like ion3 |
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| 02:43.39 | tonytraductor | so, I figured it was worth trying |
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| 02:43.47 | tonytraductor | I used ion3 for quite some time and love it |
| 02:44.07 | tonytraductor | until Tuomo went off the deep end and turned to the Dark Side |
| 02:44.53 | johntramp | but apparently the ion3 dev has caused problems? |
| 02:45.02 | johntramp | is that tuomo |
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| 02:45.59 | tonytraductor | but the only instructions the author of this thing gives is to look at the keys.py script to figure out how to navigate the wm |
| 02:46.08 | tonytraductor | and there aren' t even any comments in his code |
| 02:46.11 | johntramp | nice |
| 02:46.23 | tonytraductor | well, a few comments |
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| 02:49.22 | tonytraductor | hmmm, figuring some of this out by trial and error |
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| 02:51.11 | tonytraductor | okay, so, if you had a spare machine and time to waste...whaddaya think...try Debian kFreeBSD on it? |
| 02:51.14 | aroman | hey guys, I'm trying to remaster an Ubuntu ISO, and I'm getting this error running my remaster script: cryptsetup: WARNING: could not determine root device from /etc/fstab. i'm convinced that's what's causing me to drop to Busybox when I try and boot the remastered ISO Am I wrong? |
| 02:51.27 | tonytraductor | or maybe something like Syallbus or HaikuOS? |
| 02:51.36 | tonytraductor | syllabus, I meant |
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| 02:54.57 | versificator | tonytraductor: plan 9 |
| 02:55.17 | versificator | actually, seriously, try to get a chromium OS build on it. |
| 02:56.06 | babilen | aroman: #ubuntu ? |
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| 02:56.47 | aroman | babilen: no dice, but yeah, that was my first choice |
| 02:56.50 | tonytraductor | plan9? haven't tried it |
| 02:56.57 | aroman | i really don't think it has anything to do with ubuntu though |
| 02:57.02 | tonytraductor | that's from the suckless folks, no? who made dwm and wmii? |
| 02:57.06 | aroman | ubuntu specifically, that is |
| 02:57.57 | versificator | tonytraductor: get a chromium OS build going |
| 02:58.15 | versificator | tonytraductor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_OS |
| 02:58.51 | tonytraductor | I use chromium browser |
| 02:59.05 | babilen | tonytraductor: plan 9 is *not* from the suckless people. they use some tools from plan 9, but have not developed it. Plan 9 is much older and was developed at bell labs |
| 02:59.27 | tonytraductor | I also thought of playing with opensolaris, but since that's probably going the way of the d0d0, maybe not worth time wasted |
| 02:59.56 | babilen | tonytraductor: freebsd? |
| 03:00.16 | versificator | tonytraductor: openbsd |
| 03:00.22 | babilen | netbsd! |
| 03:00.24 | babilen | ;) |
| 03:00.35 | versificator | nah, he said he had i386 |
| 03:01.12 | versificator | hey tonytraductor since you're bored, can you see if http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivenerforwindows/ works in debian wine? |
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| 03:01.54 | tonytraductor | also considering just playing with gnewsense, but that's not much different than playing with ubuntu, no? |
| 03:02.03 | tonytraductor | I did try the livecd of that....meh |
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| 03:02.21 | tonytraductor | I don't have wine installed, don't use it |
| 03:02.30 | Nach | Is there a simple way to remove all transitional packages? |
| 03:02.41 | Nach | all installed transitional packages |
| 03:02.55 | tonytraductor | you want writers tools, use LaTeX! |
| 03:02.57 | tonytraductor | :) |
| 03:03.20 | versificator | passes on the lame-tex koolaid |
| 03:03.20 | tonytraductor | then convert your work to djvu, and publish as djvu files |
| 03:03.36 | versificator | spent semesters handing tex'd up homework |
| 03:04.10 | versificator | it's pretty crappy for anything but math and only good for math because it fools the ta's into thinking you have the answer key cos the output looks like the answer key |
| 03:04.11 | babilen | xelatex+libetine fwiw |
| 03:04.16 | versificator | Lyx was ok |
| 03:04.19 | tonytraductor | like this: http://www.baldwinsoftware.com/tonyb/poetrybytonybaldwin.djvu |
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| 03:04.47 | versificator | heh this is a pretty cool tool http://www.gns3.net/ |
| 03:05.06 | babilen | versificator: huh? apart from this being quite offtopic I wouldn't want to write my thesis, or letters, or publications in anything but (Xe)LaTeX |
| 03:05.33 | versificator | shrugs have fun with maths |
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| 03:06.20 | versificator | ugh; why don't they officially publish the new .asc of the new security.debian.org key |
| 03:06.40 | babilen | versificator: No really. I am serious, calling Latex *crappy* is wrong on so many levels. |
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| 03:07.29 | tonytraductor | texmaker is better than lyx for editing LaTeX |
| 03:07.31 | versificator | i mean yeah you can get it with gpg --key-recv subkeys.pgp.net 473041FA but still |
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| 03:07.44 | tonytraductor | frankly, LyX confuses me. In texmaker you actually write LaTeX |
| 03:07.46 | versificator | enh, we all went thru the latex/tex phase, eventually grew out of it heh |
| 03:08.00 | versificator | ugh |
| 03:08.08 | versificator | so there is no good upgrade path from 5.0 to 6 then? for the key |
| 03:08.11 | versificator | have to reinstall? |
| 03:08.32 | babilen | versificator: You want debian-archive-keyring -- And what would one grow into? |
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| 03:09.02 | cilkay | Hello. In my sources.list, I had specified 'stable'. I had been running PostgreSQL 8.3 until I ran apt-get update; apt-get upgrade after which 8.3 was removed and 8.4 installed. The problem is that the 8.3 binaries must be presents apparently for pg_upgradecluster to work but they're no longer available in the repo, not to mention that I don't see any obvious way to have both versions of PG running at the same time. |
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| 03:09.37 | cilkay | Apparently, others have appeared in #postgresql asking the same question and there doesn't seem to be a good answer, yet. |
| 03:09.41 | babilen | *sigh* the wonders of "stable" in sources.list |
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| 03:10.14 | cilkay | I don't think explicitly specifying "lenny" and changing to "squeeze" would have made any difference. |
| 03:10.30 | cilkay | I would have had the same problem. |
| 03:11.05 | cilkay | BTW, I'm doing this in a test server with backed up data. |
| 03:12.08 | cilkay | In another test instance, I've done a pg_dumpall and restored from that into the 8.4 cluster but there are differences between 8.3 and 8.4 that pg_upgradecluster deals with that I'd rather not have to deal with manually. |
| 03:12.27 | cilkay | between the 8.3 and 8.4 config files, I meant |
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| 03:16.59 | Onryo | I just got a Radeon HD 6950. I know that ATI is nice when it comes to open source drivers. I was wondering if there were blobs in the source divers. |
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| 03:17.41 | PlagueRat | Hi. I'm installing debian on an old machine to be a file server. For that end, I have a 3.5 GB disk that I installed debian on, and bigger one for the file server. While trying to run Samba it says that the partition wiht /usr is filled, and sure enough, it is... is there any bloat that I can safely delete to make room for samba ??? |
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| 03:17.59 | tonytraductor | well, this tritium IS usable |
| 03:18.02 | Raydiation | can i select to not format the /home partition if i install squeeze? |
| 03:18.50 | cilkay | Raydiation: Yes but it's *always* a good idea to have a backup just in case. A finger fumble or a bug could have unintended consequences. |
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| 03:19.35 | Coweater | Onryo: the blobs are part of the kernel, for example my r600 uses firmware found in the firmware-linux-nonfree package |
| 03:20.26 | versificator | Raydiation: back it up, and imho for the next week or so check evrything on vmware versions, you know how new releases are |
| 03:20.29 | cilkay | PlagueRat: You must have installed lots of stuff because I can have a minimal install in under a gig. |
| 03:21.01 | versificator | minimal install < 500 megs. can confirm that, looking at my df -h right now |
| 03:21.26 | Onryo | Coweater Debian 6 is free of blobs from what I under stand. I am a fan of real GNU/Linux. I did not think there were blobs in the 6 kernel?? |
| 03:21.39 | PlagueRat | cilkay - I elected to use the last partitioning scheme... / /usr /tmp /var etc... all in separate partitions... so /usr got short shrift and filled up REALLY quick |
| 03:21.55 | Coweater | they aren't, they're in the package i mentioned, which is in non-free (not part of debian) |
| 03:21.57 | cilkay | PlagueRat: Did you use LVM? |
| 03:22.03 | PlagueRat | no LVM |
| 03:22.08 | cilkay | If so, you can resize easily. |
| 03:22.27 | PlagueRat | oh heck, maybe I'll just reinstall... it only took a short while |
| 03:22.30 | Onryo | Coweater but I can get the source code and compile the divers...or are they in the repos? |
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| 03:22.41 | Coweater | i'm not sure how/if the drivers work without the blobs, they may just be more limited |
| 03:22.44 | mmind | since upgrading to squeeze, PgDn generates a "multi_key" symbol and End generates a "menu". has anyone heard of this problem? |
| 03:22.52 | cilkay | PlagueRat: I wouldn't bother with partitioning with only a 3.5GB drive. |
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| 03:23.21 | versificator | PlagueRat: / and swap imho. |
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| 03:23.34 | cilkay | I'd have / on the 3.5GB drive and /home on the other drive. |
| 03:23.46 | cilkay | Yes, and swap on the 3.5GB drive, too. |
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| 03:24.11 | cilkay | You don't have any disk space to spare with such a small drive so no point in wasting it in free space in partitions. |
| 03:24.12 | Onryo | Coweater yeah that is what I was worried about. I need all the shader for massive parallel computing using pyrit. |
| 03:24.14 | PlagueRat | yup... lets go play REINSTALL ... it's not a bad game, I'm geting quick at it |
| 03:24.43 | Raydiation | cilkay: versificator: youre right |
| 03:25.07 | Raydiation | does 05:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000 |
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| 03:25.57 | FilipeMaia | Is there a way to use find(1) to find to find files with extended attributes? |
| 03:26.19 | yagoo | Raydiation, like in the movie? the blob? |
| 03:26.26 | Raydiation | yagoo: firmware blobs |
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| 03:26.33 | babilen | cilkay: I can work with you on this tomorrow, but not now. |
| 03:26.42 | tonytraductor | blobs should always be required, imho |
| 03:26.45 | yagoo | Raydiation, ????? |
| 03:26.53 | cilkay | babilen: What is that? The PG issue? |
| 03:26.55 | Coweater | Raydiation: yes, in firmware-iwlwifi |
| 03:27.00 | Raydiation | Coweater: ty |
| 03:27.01 | s3phir0th115 | Can anyone suggest a good music player? |
| 03:27.07 | Raydiation | s3phir0th115: basnhee |
| 03:27.08 | babilen | cilkay: yes, did you have a problem with anything else? |
| 03:27.09 | yagoo | s3phir0th115, windows media player |
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| 03:27.28 | Raydiation | s3phir0th115: banshee* |
| 03:27.35 | Onryo | FilipeMaia can you give an example? |
| 03:27.47 | karlpinc | s3phir0th115: I thought people liked rythembox, but then I don't use anything. |
| 03:27.56 | cilkay | babilen: No, that was it. I'm installing 8.3 from source on my test server. I don't care that it won't be under package management because that server will be burned down after I get the cluster migrated. |
| 03:27.59 | theIan | does anybody know the package name for the Linux Programmer's Manual man pages? |
| 03:28.08 | tonytraductor | I use mocp for music most of the time |
| 03:28.09 | yagoo | lol |
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| 03:28.12 | yagoo | !rtfm |
| 03:28.12 | dpkg | from memory, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 03:28.17 | tonytraductor | but if you want a gui musicplayer, exaile is nice |
| 03:28.18 | versificator | Raydiation: back in the day we had this trick where we'd put 2 swaps on hda and hdc. |
| 03:28.18 | Coweater | Onryo: the firmware may only be required for kernel-mode switching, what i'm reading is unclear, can't test it right now myself |
| 03:28.22 | cilkay | babilen: I'll take you up on it tomorrow if I don't have it working. |
| 03:28.24 | s3phir0th115 | I've been wanting to move from amarok |
| 03:28.30 | s3phir0th115 | It seems like the smallest thing will make it stop playing |
| 03:28.47 | Onryo | FikopMania if I want to get just the IP out of my logs I do somthing like this "awk '{print $1}' access.log|sort -u > filename" |
| 03:28.52 | FilipeMaia | Onryo: like anything you can get with getfattr |
| 03:28.56 | s3phir0th115 | And I've managed to somehow mess up it's song database several times. It's just not very usable for me |
| 03:28.57 | tonytraductor | try exaile |
| 03:29.02 | versificator | Raydiation: don't bother to put it in hda and hdb (eg drives on the same channel) it won't speed it up. Also for a drive that old/small you might wanna make sure swap is at the end part of the disk (the end of the platter moves faster, radially, than the centre) |
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| 03:29.05 | babilen | cilkay: Just drop in at around 12-22 UTC |
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| 03:29.34 | versificator | thelan: apt-get install manpages-dev |
| 03:29.35 | Raydiation | versificator: hm i guess youre highlightning the wrong person |
| 03:29.39 | Onryo | Coweater could you be so nice and give me a URL on what your reading |
| 03:29.41 | cilkay | babilen: Thank you. |
| 03:29.42 | yagoo | s3phir0th115, i tend to use smplayer and kaffeine for media playing, hey even vlc works too |
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| 03:30.13 | Raydiation | s3phir0th115: i firmly advocate banshee :) basically like itunes but not so slow |
| 03:30.23 | versificator | whoops yeah sorry |
| 03:30.33 | versificator | cilkay: did you see what I said |
| 03:30.54 | s3phir0th115 | hmm.. Is it good on general format support Raydiation ? |
| 03:30.54 | versificator | about the channels for swap and the positioning of the disk (i mis highlighted it to ray) |
| 03:30.59 | mharrison | +1 for banshee |
| 03:31.04 | Raydiation | s3phir0th115: it uses gstreamer |
| 03:31.18 | cilkay | versificator: I'm not installing anything. |
| 03:31.19 | Raydiation | s3phir0th115: depends on the gstreamer codecs you install |
| 03:31.36 | s3phir0th115 | I mainly have flac, some AAC, and lots of mp3s |
| 03:31.37 | Coweater | Onryo: just things like "It's needed for R600/R700 KMS support beginning with 2.6.33 series kernels." on a package page at rpmfind.net, and mentions here http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonBuildHowTo#Prerequisitesforradeon-KMS |
| 03:31.45 | Raydiation | s3phir0th115: that will be fine |
| 03:31.51 | theIan | versificator: Thanks! |
| 03:31.54 | versificator | man ugh i mean PlagueRat |
| 03:31.56 | Raydiation | s3phir0th115: install the gst-plugins-bad and ugly |
| 03:32.03 | Raydiation | is that in debian main? |
| 03:32.19 | Onryo | FilipeMaia I think there is a bug report on getfatter -d |
| 03:33.25 | Onryo | FilipeMaia ahhh found it. Bug 513070 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=513070 |
| 03:33.56 | Onryo | Coweater thx tons! Ill be looking into that |
| 03:34.07 | FilipeMaia | Onryo: still doesn't help me to find those files? |
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| 03:35.04 | Raydiation | Coweater: is that for radeon 4500? |
| 03:35.57 | debiantonio | beers stop |
| 03:37.22 | Onryo | FilipeMania you can find anything you like with ie find $jpegdirectory -iname "*.jpg" -print0 | xargs -0 -i cp --parents -rvu "{}" $finaldirectory |
| 03:38.08 | debiantonio | :9 |
| 03:38.27 | s3phir0th115 | Wow, I have 8.1 days of music... |
| 03:38.30 | s3phir0th115 | Jesus Christ. lol |
| 03:39.22 | Onryo | FilipMania ie if you want to find jpegs that are 50k or more you could do something like this for example "find /home/you/Desktop/all_jpgs/ -size +50k -print0 | xargs -0 -i cp --parents -rvu "{}" /home/you/Desktop/size/" |
| 03:40.13 | Raydiation | are there any backports for the kernel? + firmware? |
| 03:40.49 | versificator | s3phir0th115: welcome to the audio saturation level :-P |
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| 03:41.04 | Raydiation | versificator: 3 months here |
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| 03:41.32 | Onryo | FilipeMaia also using using getfatter -m '.*' should list all the attributes ... and it does work |
| 03:42.29 | FilipeMaia | Onryo: Yes i know how to use find, the question is how to use find to find files with extended attributes |
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| 03:45.35 | compromised | Hi, I just like ask if exim4 is installed default in debian 5.0 lenny? |
| 03:46.08 | versificator | compromised: on kde, yes |
| 03:46.51 | versificator | compromised: if you go full minimal install it won't be installed. |
| 03:46.57 | Coweater | Raydiation: 4500 is a r600 core, so yes it's relevant |
| 03:47.20 | Raydiation | Coweater: aww, in that case im going fedora prealpha xD |
| 03:47.36 | compromised | On server edition without DE? |
| 03:47.46 | Raydiation | either stable and everything works, or new with lots of problems |
| 03:48.29 | versificator | Raydiation: tho right now aren't stable/testing about the same? like ideally isn't this the best time to track testing? |
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| 03:49.34 | Raydiation | versificator: dunno ive been disappointed with testing in the past |
| 03:49.40 | evilbulg1rian | hi, is there a way to schedule an fsck on reboot with the bad blocks option? |
| 03:50.11 | versificator | Raydiation: i used to, back in the potato days, track woody and then go apt-get -b source all the time, does that still work? |
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| 03:50.20 | Technicus | Hello. |
| 03:50.28 | versificator | Jello |
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| 03:50.35 | Coweater | Raydiation: huh? not sure why the driver requiring firmware is going to create a problem, it's the same on any other distro, or is there some other issue? |
| 03:51.22 | Raydiation | Coweater: dunno, maybe because i had experiences with building that stuff for gentoo |
| 03:51.54 | Technicus | The multiverse repositories, I am trying to find a listing of them. Is there one somewhere? |
| 03:52.10 | Coweater | oh, there's nothing to build on debian, i'm using it right now, just have to setup a non-free repo or download the firmware-non-free package separately |
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| 03:53.21 | Coweater | i was linking that page because he was interested in the firmware necessity to the driver usage, that's all |
| 03:53.32 | rafaelsoaresbr | hello, quick question: whats the default MTA in Debian? |
| 03:53.38 | Onryo | FilipeMaia Hmmmm.... sux that fattr -d is borked in deb but you could try changing getfattr -d with getfattr -m |
| 03:54.09 | versificator | rafaelsoaresbr: i think exim; tho they patched sendmail with hardened options. |
| 03:54.13 | Raydiation | Coweater: hm dunno, maybe its because im distrohopping a lot. ive never found a distro (except gentoo) which lasted longer than 6 months. either it was too unstable or too boring |
| 03:54.13 | mharrison | Technicus: Are you looking to add Ubuntu repositories to Debian? Because, that would cause issues on your system? I've only ever heard of Multiverse repositories when referring to Ubuntu |
| 03:54.15 | Onryo | FilipeMaia ie like this for a test |
| 03:54.23 | Onryo | #!/bin/bash |
| 03:54.23 | Onryo | if [ $# -lt 3 ] ; then |
| 03:54.24 | Onryo | echo "Usage: find_by_attr attribute value files…" |
| 03:54.24 | Onryo | exit -1 |
| 03:54.24 | Onryo | fi |
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| 03:55.18 | Coweater | Raydiation: i've been there, i'm pretty happy sticking to recent stable debian releases and testing as stable ages |
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| 03:55.32 | Onryo | lol did not expect that |
| 03:55.45 | versificator | Technicus: i've had problems with interoperation especially with *-dev stuff (the libs are not the same). YMMV |
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| 03:56.43 | rafaelsoaresbr | versificator, thanks, I need do run a script and it needs a MTA agent. |
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| 03:57.54 | Technicus | versificator: mharrison: Then I do not want to do that. I just want to install java, and restricted extras. |
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| 03:58.25 | versificator | rafaelsoaresbr: http://wiki.debian.org/Hardening |
| 03:58.33 | versificator | see the part(s) where they mention sendmail |
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| 03:59.44 | versificator | java huh, man i hope scala finally made it in 6.0 |
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| 04:00.35 | mharrison | well Java can be installed from the non-free repositories...however the package entitled "restricted-extras" belongs to Ubuntu |
| 04:00.56 | Onryo | night is about time to go to bed ... 5am =) |
| 04:01.05 | Technicus | mharrison: Isn't there a Devian version of that? |
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| 04:01.29 | mharrison | Check out http://wiki.debian.org/Java and http://www.debian-multimedia.org |
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| 04:02.31 | Big_Brother | How can i get 'eye of gnome' to line up my pictures as they are sorted in the file browser? |
| 04:02.33 | Technicus | mharrison: Thankyou. |
| 04:02.55 | versificator | Technicus did you already do s/main/main contrib non-free/g in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 04:03.13 | Technicus | versificator: No. |
| 04:03.22 | versificator | yeah the non-free section is key |
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| 04:03.31 | versificator | i don't think you'll even see flash or java if it's not there |
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| 04:03.59 | versificator | that's some powerful remote quit action going on there :-P |
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| 04:08.06 | versificator | say, whatever happened to the debian-hardened project? it looks like nothing's been done since 2004 from their website, and their wiki links are all linkrotted |
| 04:08.34 | versificator | did debian community just give up on the idea? |
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| 04:20.28 | davidg | hello there, I'm in the middle of upgrading a remote server to Squeeze... And during the Grub 2 install, after it suggested me to chainload it into grub-legacy, at "configuring grub-pc" screen, it's supposed to show me the Linux command line but... it's blank. Is that normal? I'm a little worried. |
| 04:21.09 | davidg | should I just hit OK? That's the only option... |
| 04:21.24 | davidg | Or should I input something manually in there? |
| 04:21.33 | davidg | help pls :-/ |
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| 04:23.59 | davidg | should i input something like this: /vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686 root=UUID=809f790f-8e5b-4d32-b12c-cd3e122523a8 ro ? |
| 04:24.37 | davidg | or do i just leave it blank and trust that it knows what its doing? |
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| 04:31.33 | davidg | or this? kopt=root=UUID=809f790f-8e5b-4d32-b12c-cd3e122523a8 ro |
| 04:31.40 | antivigilante | flash 10 gives me static on mp3 players and other sites but not youtube in firefox |
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| 04:34.27 | davidg | my issue seems the same as http://forum.soft32.com/linux/Bug-545292-grub-pc-upgrade-grub1-kopt-ambigious-confusing-ftopict493678.html |
| 04:34.58 | davidg | but i'm still confused... is this normal behaviour? Should I simply ignore the blank line or do I have to add the kopt line manually? |
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| 04:35.17 | davidg | help please!! that prompt is staring at me and waiting! |
| 04:37.49 | versificator | anyone here use moonlight (silverlight) on debian? |
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| 04:45.10 | toogreen | ok let's try this again. Please help. I'm in the middle of upgrading a remote server to Squeeze... And during the Grub 2 install, after it suggested me to chainload it into grub-legacy, at "configuring grub-pc" screen, it's supposed to show me the Linux command line but... it's blank. Is that normal? I'm a little worried. |
| 04:45.31 | toogreen | should I just hit OK? That's the only option... |
| 04:45.38 | toogreen | Or should I input something manually in there? |
| 04:45.56 | toogreen | my issue seems the same as http://forum.soft32.com/linux/Bug-545292-grub-pc-upgrade-grub1-kopt-ambigious-confusing-ftopict493678.html |
| 04:46.37 | Strife89 | had a problematic memory card with a "corrupt" device name, and now I can't get its entry to vanish from the devices list (including its icon on the desktop). Any way to remove it without logging out? |
| 04:47.15 | Ergo^ | !backport |
| 04:47.15 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 04:47.35 | debiantonio | antivigilante, juk plays all mp3 here, Shockwave Flash 10.1 r102 |
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| 04:48.32 | robertzaccour | does anyone have a link for new computers with completely open hardware? wanna make my next purchase one that will guaranteed have no hardware issues |
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| 04:49.52 | ajikeshi | robert_, then you wouldn buy any recent laptop? |
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| 04:50.44 | robertzaccour | ajikeshi, recent laptops don't have open drivers huh? |
| 04:51.15 | karlpinc | robertzaccour: There's one that rms uses. Begins with a 'y' and sounds japanese, but may not be. |
| 04:51.36 | toogreen | please someone help... this is a headless, remote box.. it HAS to boot :-( |
| 04:51.46 | robertzaccour | what about system76, are all theirs open hardware? |
| 04:51.53 | karlpinc | robertzaccour: You could talk to the folks at eracks.com and see what they say. They sell with Debian pre-installed (which I know is not what you're asking.) |
| 04:52.21 | robertzaccour | karlpinc, ok thanks |
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| 04:52.35 | karlpinc | robertzaccour: I think most just care that the box runs with whatever they pre-install. |
| 04:53.00 | s3phir0th115 | gah, now banshee is acting up too |
| 04:53.05 | robertzaccour | karlpinc, yeah bit i would like to install whatever i want and for the most part know that there won't be issues |
| 04:53.10 | karlpinc | toogreen: Humm. You still have the box up? |
| 04:53.19 | robertzaccour | karlpinc, i think it would be a good investment :) |
| 04:53.41 | toogreen | karlpinc, yeah i'm still at the configure grub-pc prompt |
| 04:53.43 | karlpinc | robertzaccour: I understand completely. Best to ask the people who sell they hardware. They'll know. |
| 04:54.01 | toogreen | karlpinc, it's asking me if the linux command line is ok... but there's nothing! it's blank |
| 04:54.42 | karlpinc | toogreen: If it _has_ to come up I'd say you want to yes, chainload grub2, but do the grub1 stuff that switches the default after one boot... But.... |
| 04:54.50 | karlpinc | toogreen: Nothing wrong with a blank line. |
| 04:54.51 | toogreen | karlpinc, only option i have is choose OK. Should i do that or should i put in the kopt line manually? |
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| 04:55.03 | ajikeshi | robertzaccour, in laptops.. there are always almost guarantied some elements that arent supportet by linux |
| 04:55.04 | karlpinc | toogreen: You can frob the config after install and before reboot. |
| 04:55.19 | robertzaccour | karlpinc, whoa those are pricey |
| 04:55.21 | karlpinc | toogreen: Do you know you need any kopt stuff? |
| 04:55.26 | toogreen | karlpinc, ok so just hit yes now yah? |
| 04:55.47 | robertzaccour | karlpinc, I'd assume if it has Linux preinstalled there should be no issues, especially with whats installed on it? |
| 04:55.59 | karlpinc | toogreen: I'd say so. This requires thinking through. (You could always uninstall grub2, but eventually you'll need to migrate.) |
| 04:56.07 | toogreen | karlpinc, no idea! the prompt i'm at now mentioned this: The following Linux command line was extracted from /etc/default/grub or the `kopt' parameter in GRUB Legacy's menu.lst. Please verify that it is │ |
| 04:56.08 | toogreen | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:56.24 | karlpinc | robertzaccour: If it has linux pre-installed then it may have non-free sections enabled and use non-free firmware. |
| 04:56.36 | karlpinc | toogreen: It's very very likely fine. |
| 04:57.10 | robertzaccour | karlpinc, even debian preinstalled ones? |
| 04:57.12 | karlpinc | toogreen: However, you're chainloading grub2, so it'll boot grub1, then grub2, then boot. If grub2 fails then you've problems. |
| 04:57.13 | toogreen | karlpinc, ok /me choosing yes then :-/ |
| 04:57.16 | karlpinc | robertzaccour: Sure. |
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| 04:57.44 | toogreen | karlpinc, ok but then before I reboot is there any way to check if the grub2 setup is alright? |
| 04:57.51 | karlpinc | toogreen: So, you need something that can recover from that case. |
| 04:57.58 | thatandroidguy | im in need of some help getting my sound card working. think you guys could be of assistance? |
| 04:58.02 | karlpinc | toogreen: Not without trying to boot. Do you have serial console access? |
| 04:58.14 | karlpinc | toogreen: Or can you tell somebody to power cycle or some such? |
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| 04:58.22 | toogreen | karlpinc, nope, not that I know of. :-/ |
| 04:58.40 | toogreen | karlpinc, in the worst case i can get to the site |
| 04:58.50 | toogreen | karlpinc, its just far, and i probably cannot go until tomorrow morning |
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| 04:59.25 | toogreen | karlpinc, but once i get physical access to the machine I can still fix it right? using a livecd or rescue cd? |
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| 04:59.35 | karlpinc | toogreen: I'd say be conservative and adjust your grub1 default to not use the chainloaded grub2 as the default until you're ready. |
| 05:00.17 | karlpinc | toogreen: With physical access you just tell grub1 to boot from the desired config, the one that does not boot grub2. |
| 05:00.18 | toogreen | karlpinc, hmm, sounds like a plan. |
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| 05:00.24 | thatandroidguy | my card is an : 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio (rev 05) and im only getting headphone output |
| 05:00.40 | karlpinc | toogreen: grub2 will likely work, but if it does not then you need some way to reboot. |
| 05:00.54 | toogreen | karlpinc, ok wait i will first just choose "ok" |
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| 05:01.22 | karlpinc | toogreen: If you could tell someone to pull the plug and re-apply power then you could configure grub1 to "try" grub2 for one boot, and if it fails you power cycle and are back where you started. |
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| 05:01.38 | Arrowmaster | why are you still using grub1? is it a multiboot system? |
| 05:01.40 | toogreen | karlpinc, i just hit OK, and it installed grub2 with no errors. Good sign? |
| 05:01.46 | karlpinc | toogreen: Sure. |
| 05:01.50 | karlpinc | Arrowmaster: He's upgrading from lenny. |
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| 05:02.00 | thatandroidguy | ... |
| 05:02.31 | Arrowmaster | shouldnt he just replace grub1 with grub2 then |
| 05:02.33 | karlpinc | toogreen: But you don't really know until you try to boot. So before you reboot, change the grub1 default choice. |
| 05:02.46 | karlpinc | Arrowmaster: And if it does not boot? It's a remote box and access is limited. |
| 05:02.47 | toogreen | karlpinc, ok now however I got a new problem which halted dist-upgrade: Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 05:02.49 | toogreen | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:02.49 | toogreen | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 05:03.07 | toogreen | :-/ sorry for the bad paste |
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| 05:03.22 | antivigilante | debiantonio yeah but i mean the flash plugin - i hear it's related to the sample rate |
| 05:03.28 | antivigilante | 44100 or 4800 |
| 05:03.34 | antivigilante | er 48000 |
| 05:03.45 | toogreen | karlpinc, do i run dist-upgrade again? or dpkg --configure -a |
| 05:03.50 | toogreen | ? |
| 05:04.05 | debiantonio | ok |
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| 05:08.16 | Rusty1 | toogreen: get another session going on that machine. and don't reboot it until you or somebody else is physically there if its a production box |
| 05:08.38 | toogreen | Rusty1, already did. Here are more details: http://pastebin.com/HF6xpeW2 |
| 05:08.49 | s3phir0th115 | Anyone remember that xpadder like thing for Linux? |
| 05:09.00 | s3phir0th115 | Can't remember the name for the life of me |
| 05:09.10 | toogreen | Rusty1, any idea what I can try next?? no way to fix the dependency problem? |
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| 05:09.47 | Rusty1 | toogreen: get a good night sleep and deal with it onsite |
| 05:10.30 | toogreen | Rusty1, dang. But then even if I'm on site what do I do?? |
| 05:10.57 | Rusty1 | come back in here and ask then |
| 05:11.14 | toogreen | ohh come on :-P |
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| 05:16.53 | toogreen | Rusty was not very reassuring... if you guys don't have a clue how i can fix this then i have no guarantee i will not go on site for nothing... |
| 05:17.17 | toogreen | i don't see how i can't fix dependency problems remotely anyway... |
| 05:17.39 | toogreen | should i try changing repository? |
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| 05:19.53 | toogreen | should i delete some package from /var/cache? |
| 05:19.56 | toogreen | damn! |
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| 05:26.04 | ubiquitous1980 | I must say that debian 6.0 is very impressive. Thanks Debian community. |
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| 05:27.41 | ubiquitous1980 | with regards to his broad picture perspective? |
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| 05:30.23 | simonrvn | toogreen: i haven't been following, but bootloader things tend to be a bit dicey so it is better to be on-site. you could try that reboot, but expect it to not come up and have to go there anyway. you could set up some ssh thing or remote console thing if you like .... |
| 05:31.31 | toogreen | simonrvn, i think the bootloader stuff is fine now, i had another unrelated problem with a dependency problem with php5.. but i think i fixed now |
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| 06:05.02 | cwg | Hi folks - I've just installed the new CrunchBang Statler (Squeeze/stable with Openbox) and having login errors. |
| 06:05.47 | cwg | start off with this error: |
| 06:05.53 | cwg | "User's $HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored, preventing default session and language from being saved. File should be owned by user and have 644 permissions. User's $HOME directory must be owned by user and not writable by other users." |
| 06:07.03 | cwg | and then get "Your session only lasted less than 10 seconds..." |
| 06:07.16 | cwg | I tried the failsafe options, but no luck |
| 06:07.41 | cwg | the details for the second message are: "/etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup... |
| 06:07.50 | cwg | Can't save user-dirs.dirs |
| 06:08.20 | cwg | Unable to create /home/USERNAME/.dbus/session.bus" |
| 06:08.56 | cwg | tried running chmod 700 on my home directory, but it didn't help. |
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| 06:14.05 | cwg | will try a different angle |
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| 06:14.50 | kuze | cwg: check to see if /home is mounted rw, or mounted at all even |
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| 06:15.54 | cwg | kuze: I was able to get into command line, navigate directories, and issued chmod commands without an error... that would mean it was mounted rw, wouldn't it? |
| 06:16.02 | cwg | is on a LiveCD now |
| 06:16.24 | kuze | cwg: not neccessarily |
| 06:16.29 | dD0T | Hi. Do I need to install vmware tools for automatic resolution switching to work within a VMWare 7.1 workstation? I hoped xserver-xorg-video-vmware would do the trick but atm. it doesn't. Thanks. |
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| 06:17.32 | cwg | kuze - ok, so how would I check? and what would I do if it's not mounted rw? |
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| 06:17.52 | kuze | cwg: boot back into it, type mount to check |
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| 06:18.01 | cwg | ah, ok. |
| 06:18.58 | s3phir0th115 | Is there any good xpadder like app I can use in Squeeze? |
| 06:19.05 | s3phir0th115 | Been googling for a good bit now, and haven't found anything |
| 06:19.25 | cwg | Also - should I check that the LiveCD I installed from isn't faulty? The ISO's md5sum matched, but I had a problem with a LiveCD once before. (This ones CD-RW - usually not a problem, but maybe it's a factor) |
| 06:19.42 | kuze | what liveCD? |
| 06:20.04 | cwg | kuze; the CD I installed from |
| 06:20.14 | kuze | crunchbang? |
| 06:20.17 | cwg | yes |
| 06:20.21 | kuze | I've no idea |
| 06:20.59 | kuze | cwg: a crunchbang channel would be better help for you |
| 06:21.03 | cwg | ok - I know LiveCD's can have problems, but... I burnt it at slow speed so I thought it should be fine. |
| 06:21.28 | kuze | cwg: that should be fine then |
| 06:21.41 | cwg | kuze: I tried there - and it's actually Debian Squeeze anyway (with an Openbox based DE) |
| 06:22.09 | cwg | thanks kuze - I'll go check the mounting, try some other things... |
| 06:22.10 | kuze | cwg: a lot of debian based distros want to call themselves debian, but they aren't debian |
| 06:22.23 | kuze | sure |
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| 06:23.21 | cwg | kuze: like Ubuntu, you mean? Ubuntu has a modified kernel, but Crunchbang Statler (and Linux Mint Debian I think, and MEPIS) are all binary compatible, AFAIK |
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| 06:24.10 | cwg | I like it when they stay binary compatible - a lot less room for new things to go wrong. |
| 06:24.11 | kuze | cwg: tbh, no one knows what changes were made to crunchbang but the crunchbang people |
| 06:24.50 | cwg | I should check up on that, but I'll try to get my system working first |
| 06:25.04 | cwg | thanks... signing out |
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| 06:25.24 | kuze | cwg: gl |
| 06:27.46 | rolandpish | which file does "crontab -e" modify? |
| 06:28.05 | johntramp | hi. how can I downgrade flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 06:30.27 | johntramp | reason being, my pc is too slow to play fullscreen videos (youtube etc) in the browser, but i have some scripts which instead use mplayer to play the /tmp/FLASH* files, only the newest adobe flashplugin doesnt store those temp files anymore |
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| 06:34.24 | peterrooney | rolandpish: the immediate file is semi-random in /tmp; the final file (if vetted) is put in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ |
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| 06:45.05 | shifty | Group permissions to /etc/cups are to group 'lp'. Shouldn't they be group 'lpadmin' instead? /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html specifies the 'lpadmin' group as being able to well, administer printers. The 'lp' group has direct access to parallel ports, etc, which is hardly what we want as group permissions to /etc/cups! Does anyone else consider this a bug? (Running sid here.) |
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| 06:46.40 | JasonWoof | how does gnome-terminal decide what web browser to open links with? (right-click -> Open Link) |
| 06:47.37 | shifty | JasonWoof: gnome menu, system, preferences, Preferred Applications. System tab. |
| 06:47.52 | JasonWoof | shifty: yes, that's what I want it to do |
| 06:48.00 | Arrowmaster | it probably just runs gnome-open, so it would be changed in the prefered applications settings |
| 06:48.01 | JasonWoof | shifty: but instead it runs chromium |
| 06:48.04 | shifty | JasonWoof: correction, Internet tab. |
| 06:48.23 | JasonWoof | shifty: yeah, under preferred applications. I'm running unstable |
| 06:48.43 | JasonWoof | shifty: now gnom-open and gnome-terminal both open in chromium, despite my setting in preferred applicanions |
| 06:48.58 | JasonWoof | and my protocol handler thing for http in gconf-editor |
| 06:49.17 | JasonWoof | (which is probably set by preferred applications) |
| 06:49.35 | Arrowmaster | what are you setting them to? |
| 06:49.49 | JasonWoof | Arrowmaster: /home/jasonwoof/bin/default-browser |
| 06:50.02 | shifty | JasonWoof: sorry - you might need a GNOME guru. It's a bit of mistery to me when things don't go right. Took me days to stop my gnome-terminal cursor blinking ;-) |
| 06:50.07 | JasonWoof | a script I wrote with doesn't spam the calling terminal (and switches to the first workspace first) |
| 06:50.53 | Arrowmaster | what does xdg-open launch when you try it with a url? |
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| 06:51.08 | JasonWoof | shifty: heh, yeah, they hid that one under "keyboard" |
| 06:51.35 | JasonWoof | Arrowmaster: chromium (not my setting) |
| 06:51.46 | Arrowmaster | i got nothing |
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| 06:53.20 | JasonWoof | I've just set $BROWSER, and now /usr/bin/sensible-browser opens my ~/bin/default-browser |
| 06:53.21 | JasonWoof | but no love from gnome-open, xdg-open, or any gnome program (pidgin, gnome-terminal, gwibber, etc) |
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| 06:53.21 | shifty | JasonWoof: did you ever tell your system to prefer chromium in the past? |
| 06:53.21 | JasonWoof | shifty: probably |
| 06:53.28 | JasonWoof | well, I don't know |
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| 06:58.19 | WormFood | I'm looking for some suggestions, for debian packages to be the email server and web mail interface for my customers. I've always been a big fan of qmail in the past, and can work with it well, but was looking for something that is less work on my part, and does the job well...anyone have any suggestions for debian packages that fit my requirements? |
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| 07:00.14 | rolandpish | how can I execute manually cron jobs under /etc/cron.d? (they don't appear to be scripts) |
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| 07:01.49 | shifty | rolandpish: once off, or many (scripts)? |
| 07:01.51 | WormFood | rolandpish, look at the cron file, and see what script they are calling |
| 07:01.53 | CrazyWoods | how to install Plone on Debian? |
| 07:02.13 | Big_Brother | . |
| 07:03.46 | shifty | rolandpish: or you could cheat and edit /etc/crontab to next minute from the group of scripts you want, then set it back to original. Undertand the implications b4 you do that, might have unwanted consequences. |
| 07:03.48 | versificator | johntramp: curious, what's your pc speed/ram |
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| 07:04.43 | rolandpish | shifty, yeah, absolutely agreed. Just wanted to execute what is in /etc/cron.d to test if they execute correctly. |
| 07:05.06 | ham5 | cron makes logs |
| 07:05.27 | rolandpish | WormFood, where is cron file located? is it the same as /etc/crontab? |
| 07:05.43 | WormFood | what is in your /etc/cron.d directory? |
| 07:06.11 | rolandpish | WormFood, there are two files: php5 and awstats |
| 07:06.16 | WormFood | the crontab can have different formats, depending on if it is a user cron file, or the system cron file |
| 07:06.24 | WormFood | rolandpish, did you look at those files? |
| 07:06.46 | rolandpish | WormFood, yes, their contents are "cron" formatted lines |
| 07:06.48 | WormFood | rolandpish, you do know the syntax for the crontab files, right? |
| 07:06.59 | WormFood | ok...then you can see what it is calling, and call it manually |
| 07:07.32 | rolandpish | WormFood, oh ok, cool :) |
| 07:07.42 | shifty | WormFood: (unless he wants to duplicate the environment), but otherwise I completely agree this is a better solution. |
| 07:07.54 | WormFood | I remember when I had problems with cron....it seemed like some of my programs were not running...so I just did a "touch /some/file" to make sure it was running as expected |
| 07:08.20 | WormFood | right shifty, I agree....not exactly the same as testing it from cron, but should be 98% the same in most cases |
| 07:08.27 | rolandpish | where does squeeze stores cron logs? |
| 07:08.43 | WormFood | usually the output of cron jobs are emailed to the owner |
| 07:09.02 | shifty | WormFood: yeah, but how come that 2% keeps tripping me up 50% of the time??? I kid :-) |
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| 07:09.54 | rolandpish | WormFood, shifty, thanks a lot for your help. I'll then test my cron jobs. |
| 07:10.02 | WormFood | your auth.log shows when the system runs cron (I know, not exactly what you're looking for) |
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| 07:10.19 | WormFood | and syslog has the rest |
| 07:10.26 | SJr | Where do I get the .config file used by debian to make the default kernel? |
| 07:10.48 | shifty | rolandpish: and what the cronjob RAN is logged in /var/log/syslog |
| 07:11.10 | WormFood | good question SJr...I too have been looking for that lately (as the debian stock kernel does not work a majority of the time for me, but all other kernels works great) |
| 07:11.17 | shifty | rolandpish: good luck and enjoy |
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| 07:11.27 | Kvant | SJr, try look in /boot |
| 07:12.43 | WormFood | I've compiled my own kernel on a different computer than what the kernel is running on...where do I find the info I need to make the kernel headers package? |
| 07:13.32 | shifty | could I get a couple of people to post the GROUP owners of their /etc/cups? Try "ls -ld /etc/cups" |
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| 07:15.05 | AbuDhabi | Is there a way to set a command to execute when the box comes out of suspension? |
| 07:15.08 | WormFood | shifty, they're either root or 'lp' group |
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| 07:15.39 | shifty | WormFood: which one? Needs to be specific - I'm filling a bug report. |
| 07:15.49 | WormFood | yes AbuDhabi....don't ask me how, I don't know...but I do know it is possible. |
| 07:16.08 | shifty | anyone else able to report the group owner of /etc/cups please? |
| 07:16.35 | WormFood | yeah, the directory is owned by "lp"....sorry, I thought you were talking about the files in that directory |
| 07:17.06 | shifty | AbuDhabi: maybe /etc/apm ? |
| 07:17.40 | shifty | WormFood: ta. |
| 07:17.57 | shifty | AbuDhabi: or /etc/acpi |
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| 07:18.45 | AbuDhabi | Hmm. |
| 07:18.49 | dxrt | I'm running dist-upgrade, and its saying that: /usr/bin/mandb: can't write to /var/cache/man/24083: No space left on device. Should I be concerned? |
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| 07:19.29 | shifty | AbuDhabi: try http://www.linux-archive.org/debian-user/248911-suspend-resume-issues-custom-scripts-not-running-mouse-frozen.html |
| 07:19.49 | WormFood | I need to make it so that when I open my laptop lid, it does NOT resume from a suspend...that "feature" makes it impossible for me to use suspend, and move my laptop, because if you touch the lid, when it is closed, it will activate the lid switch, and come out of suspend mode |
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| 07:20.45 | WormFood | windows did that aspect right....open the lid, and it does not come out of suspend...you have to hit the power button to come out of suspend....I want Linux to act the same way |
| 07:20.51 | AbuDhabi | I don't have the suspend.d directory. |
| 07:21.35 | WormFood | I'm sure some developer somewhere thought that was a good idea...but it really isn't a good idea, it is a shit idea |
| 07:22.15 | AbuDhabi | Is 'sleep' synonymous with 'suspend'? |
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| 07:22.52 | WormFood | yes |
| 07:23.04 | WormFood | or suspend-to-ram...all the same |
| 07:23.28 | WormFood | hibernate is to disk....suspend is to ram....suspend-to-disk is hibernate |
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| 07:24.19 | WormFood | and I don't think Linux supports it, but winblows supports a hybrid mode, where it goes to sleep, and hibernates itself....if you have a power failure, it resumed from the hard drive....if you don't, then it resumes from ram |
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| 07:27.58 | AbuDhabi | Hmmm. Okay, next issue - how do I kill a specific perl script? 'pgrep perl' gets me all perl scripts (I have only one, but might be more) and I don't want kill them all, just this one specific one. I'm not sure how to get its PID. |
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| 07:32.59 | shifty | AbuDhabi: write the script's PID to a run file with the variable $$ - you have to be able to identify WHICH script somehow. |
| 07:33.32 | WormFood | you may be able to poke around in /proc/PID and figure out what is what |
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| 07:37.26 | shifty | AbuDhabi: if you know WHY you are killing a script, you are half way to identifying which one it is. Can you tell us why you need to kill it? |
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| 07:38.46 | AbuDhabi | Sure. It's an IRC dice bot, and I figure restarting the script is easier than modifying the script to handle reconnection after suspension. |
| 07:38.57 | AbuDhabi | This might not be the case. |
| 07:40.03 | Loshki | AbuDhabi: Why not start with using the perl script's name in pgrep instead of 'perl'? |
| 07:40.16 | shifty | AbuDhabi: OK, try this: have your script die after suspension. Have a parent spawn more of this children up to a defined limit. |
| 07:40.30 | shifty | AbuDhabi: although we might be going off topic... |
| 07:40.53 | AbuDhabi | Loshki: I've tried that, and it seems that pgrep doesn't have access to the full command line. |
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| 07:41.27 | AbuDhabi | ps aux correctly views the line that was invoked to run the script, and that would be great, if I could extract the PID from that. |
| 07:41.36 | treebeen | does squeeze installer have drive encryption option? |
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| 07:42.06 | versificator | treebeen: it did in the testing phase |
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| 07:42.26 | treebeen | versificator: ok, thanks |
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| 07:42.53 | shifty | AbuDhabi: seriously, you'll end up with a more robust solution if you prefork child processes that die after "suspension". |
| 07:43.31 | Loshki | AbuDhabi: then try something like: ps aux | egrep <pattern> | awk { print $2 } |
| 07:44.36 | Loshki | AbuDhabi: or try the -f flag to pgrep... |
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| 07:45.36 | AbuDhabi | shifty: That sounds arcane. I've never tried doing something like that. |
| 07:45.51 | AbuDhabi | Loshki: Thanks! The -f flag works. |
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| 07:56.27 | shifty | AbuDhabi: arcane, possibly, but very elegant, and simple. Read here: http://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/perl/cookbook/ch17_13.htm |
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| 07:58.41 | versificator | ouch perl |
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| 08:06.00 | gp5st1 | is there a way to test if an X display is running on a given screen number |
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| 08:11.30 | tehrabbitt | not sure if anyone here knows this, but are all MiniGBICs universal? |
| 08:11.55 | tehrabbitt | want to buy a media converter to go from fiber to ethernet, and it's got a MiniGBIC slot, and I wanna make sure they're universal before I dish out the money |
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| 08:12.17 | jmarsden | tehrabbitt: I think they are, but ask in ##hardware, not here |
| 08:13.04 | dutchfish | gp5st1: if possible it should be by querying dbus, however i dont know the correct query string, whould be something like qdbus xorg.session.xxxxx |
| 08:14.07 | dutchfish | gp5st1: there is a tool to inspect dbus and delve into its strings |
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| 08:14.50 | dutchfish | tehrabbitt: no, basically 2 groups, short wave and long wave. |
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| 08:15.51 | dutchfish | tehrabbitt: if you want gbic->gbic of a switch, see th emanual of your switch. |
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| 08:18.14 | dutchfish | tehrabbitt: the converters on not critical as long as you have the correct wavelength and cable thickness |
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| 08:25.17 | xzibit55 | is it busy in here or is my client broken? |
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| 08:25.47 | xzibit55 | so the debian base install doesn't come with sudo. what's up with that? |
| 08:25.47 | petemc | its not busy |
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| 08:26.07 | petemc | xzibit55: not everyone wants sudo |
| 08:26.17 | petemc | its easy to install it if you do want it |
| 08:27.10 | johntramp | sudo is for pussies |
| 08:27.48 | xzibit55 | sudo is a useful program because it tracks the usage of sudo commands through auth.log on a multiuser system |
| 08:28.34 | xzibit55 | but yeah, it's generally a pain to type an extra five characters to get something useful done |
| 08:30.05 | xzibit55 | well i have a basic question about debian: generally, the ubuntu 'multiverse' repo provides a whole bunchload of packages, extra stuff and what not. if i add nonfree and contrib to my debian sources.list will i get the same kind of stuff, or more, or less? |
| 08:30.15 | johntramp | i know there are legitimate uses for sudo, but i dont like the default ubuntu way of using sudo at all |
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| 08:30.42 | cahoot | what's that got to do with debian? |
| 08:31.04 | ham5 | debian rules! |
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| 08:31.59 | jelly-home | xzibit55: well, put it another way -- what free software are you missing in main? |
| 08:33.48 | xzibit55 | jelly-home: ah not much, there hasn't been anything yet i couldn't find, the repo seems pretty complete to me |
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| 08:40.36 | treebeen | xzibit55: alias s=sudo |
| 08:41.02 | treebeen | xzibit55: for completion add 's' to bash_completion of sudo |
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| 08:47.39 | treebeen | nice work on the artwork for squeeze, very consistent |
| 08:48.58 | jelly-home | if you have to do stuff as root that often you need a shortcut for sudo, you might be doing something wrong |
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| 08:49.37 | treebeen | jelly-home: like I often install new software? very wrong |
| 08:50.38 | jelly-home | treebeen: on a production system? Yes. |
| 08:50.45 | jmarsden | thinks... if installing new software is a significantly large fraction of the total typing you do, then something probably *is* wrong! |
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| 08:51.28 | treebeen | jelly-home: no, i use debian on my desktops |
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| 08:52.59 | jelly-home | tre...sigh |
| 08:53.12 | Andorin | Attempting to install TrueCrypt 7.0a on Debian Squeeze gave me this error: (gksudo:2439): GLib-CRITICAL **:g_str_has_prefix: assertion `str != NULL' failed |
| 08:53.20 | Andorin | Anyone know what it means? |
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| 09:05.23 | simonrvn | error in gksudo and glib... use the command line to install it, use a packaged version... |
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| 09:08.01 | Andorin | simonrvn: Yeah, I'm using the cli. Installation is performed via a script. And there's no packaged version of TrueCrypt that I know of because of its license |
| 09:08.34 | simonrvn | um, if you're using gksudo you're not using a command line. ok. |
| 09:09.04 | simonrvn | whatever, just use sudo or su to root |
| 09:09.19 | simonrvn | to run make install you don't need x running.. |
| 09:10.03 | Andorin | Thank you, that fixed it. |
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| 09:10.47 | simonrvn | that bug's been fixed in later gtk and glib iirc |
| 09:11.03 | simonrvn | you may want to go see the bts |
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| 09:12.39 | mongrol | evenin |
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| 09:21.28 | mongrol | can anyone recommend a blog client? |
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| 09:21.45 | ajikeshi | blog client??ß |
| 09:22.01 | mongrol | as in local client for posting and editing |
| 09:22.26 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:22.35 | ajikeshi | you mean like iceweasel? |
| 09:22.35 | mongrol | hmm, kde though |
| 09:23.07 | mongrol | aj: funny guy huh? ;) |
| 09:23.37 | simonrvn | a web browser was my second thought ;) |
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| 09:24.27 | mongrol | anyone know where I can get a web browser? ;) |
| 09:24.33 | mongrol | (and an irc client?) |
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| 09:25.19 | hid3 | apt repository? |
| 09:25.35 | Joe7 | hi. What's the simpelst way to save current mount setup into /etc/fstab? |
| 09:25.55 | simonrvn | run mount and look at it, and edit fstab |
| 09:26.36 | Joe7 | no automated way? also I want to add them usin UUIID-s |
| 09:27.08 | simonrvn | automated way? |
| 09:27.14 | cahoot | mtab? |
| 09:27.18 | Joe7 | something without copy paste :) |
| 09:27.22 | simonrvn | ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/* |
| 09:27.27 | amphi | DWIM ? |
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| 09:34.07 | homie | fucking shit, why is my sound devices knacking out of nothing now |
| 09:34.15 | homie | whenever io is active |
| 09:34.32 | homie | like doing a ps -e on console |
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| 09:34.55 | homie | and even doing nothing i hear it |
| 09:35.17 | OpenTokix | homie: built in on mobo-sound? |
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| 09:36.55 | homie | yep |
| 09:37.05 | homie | it did not do it before yesterday |
| 09:37.20 | homie | now i even restarted, without effect |
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| 09:39.31 | OpenTokix | homie: It has to do how the irq's are distributed, maybe you can try to assign irq's in bios. - but its a long shot |
| 09:39.54 | OpenTokix | homie: it is annoying as hell |
| 09:40.14 | homie | but how the change ? |
| 09:40.31 | homie | i mean i did not do anything to assign irq's in bios for sure |
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| 09:40.50 | homie | and if they are all auto |
| 09:40.59 | homie | if, |
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| 09:42.53 | homie | and i get now network timeout on youtub as well |
| 09:43.08 | homie | in firefox, wtf |
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| 10:07.09 | crissi | hello |
| 10:07.39 | crissi | i found a bug a pdo... lenny is missing at search option |
| 10:07.56 | homie | ??pdo |
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| 10:08.01 | homie | what is pdo ? |
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| 10:10.15 | Mr_Queue | please don't obscure? |
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| 10:11.44 | Bushmills | assuming that "do" stands for "debian.org", "p" could be "packages", with some imagination |
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| 10:12.05 | crissi | homie: packages.debian.org |
| 10:12.14 | crissi | :-D |
| 10:12.17 | Bushmills | but using such acronyms, kcrt |
| 10:12.31 | homie | ah ok |
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| 10:26.00 | ham5 | neat |
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| 10:28.28 | EyesIsMine|iPod | SendQ? |
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| 10:29.18 | psyklown | does crunchbang provide any support for madbox? |
| 10:30.49 | cahoot | maybe ask them? |
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| 10:34.30 | iceroot_ | debian based distro |
| 10:35.18 | Mr_Queue | made in a crunch to go down in a bang? |
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| 10:40.11 | jelly-home | !crunchbang |
| 10:40.11 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on Debian>. |
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| 10:46.59 | mongrol | is it possible to install lib32 version of openal on the AMD64 distro? |
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| 10:49.50 | delby | hi. when i look at a page of a package on packages.debian.org (for example gnome-core), i sometimes get depends on foo1 or foo2 (epiphany-browser or gnome-www-browser, which can be provided by iceweasel and i am intending to install iceweasel anyway) so how can i tell aptitude to use foo2 instead of foo1? |
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| 10:52.15 | jelly-home | install foo2 first |
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| 10:54.11 | delby | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 11:03.04 | homie | fight clicks with clicks |
| 11:03.08 | homie | lol |
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| 11:04.00 | homie | click to click and knack to knack! |
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| 11:06.19 | treebeen | can someone tell me how much space a squeeze install with GNOME uses approx.? I have a 4gb usb and I'm not sure if it will fit |
| 11:06.41 | homie | more than that |
| 11:07.00 | mosno | treebeen: i can tell you if you give me 5 min so i can boot that machine... |
| 11:07.04 | ham5 | i know some installs are ~3g mine is 4.7 |
| 11:07.10 | homie | it will suffice but for the basic things...if you want full kde it's not sufficient |
| 11:07.14 | ham5 | i think the requriments is 10g |
| 11:07.18 | homie | err full gnome |
| 11:07.36 | treebeen | mosno: yeah, if you would be so kind... |
| 11:07.38 | homie | in gnome case i'm not sure |
| 11:07.47 | homie | in kde case, kde-base is ok to install |
| 11:08.03 | mosno | treebeen: ok, booting |
| 11:08.24 | mosno | treebeen: this is a default debian 6.0 install, amd64 |
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| 11:09.17 | homie | but get rid of all depends which are optional |
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| 11:09.42 | homie | i mean don't pull in automatically recommended and suggested packages |
| 11:09.59 | homie | then it maybe possible |
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| 11:10.10 | homie | but again for gnome i'm not sure |
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| 11:10.35 | treebeen | i guess i'll skip the GUI in the installer and get gnome-base or something later |
| 11:10.58 | homie | yep |
| 11:11.13 | mosno | treebeen: 3.5G inc some small utils like vim, screen, apt-file, dctrl-tools |
| 11:11.13 | thewanderer1 | guys, if I setuid() within a process, does it lose CAP_SETUID ? |
| 11:11.37 | treebeen | mosno: aha, thanks. then I will avoid the full gnome :) |
| 11:12.01 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:18.47 | meliowant | hi guys. May somebody explain me some issues related to thermal zone of CPU? |
| 11:18.47 | meliowant | Yesterday I reinstalled Debian from scratch and now my CPU's temperature is hidden for me. |
| 11:18.47 | meliowant | sensors-detect says I need "k10temp" driver, so I installed it, but no success. |
| 11:18.47 | meliowant | As for now using Debian/testing. |
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| 11:20.32 | meliowant | Hi guys. May somebody explain me some issues related to thermal zone of CPU? |
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| 11:23.01 | nalex | Just ask meliowant |
| 11:23.16 | nalex | oh you asked already |
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| 11:23.53 | meliowant | :) |
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| 11:24.24 | meliowant | nalex, sensors-detect are showing that I need a module, after I installed it it seems not used ;( |
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| 11:24.46 | Stefunel | guys, how can I see what version of eclipse is going to be installed with apt-get install eclipse ? |
| 11:25.08 | meliowant | Stefunel: apt-cache madison ecplise |
| 11:25.18 | mr | hi |
| 11:25.27 | meliowant | and check about your dist |
| 11:25.56 | valdyn | Stefunel: apt-cache policy eclipse |
| 11:25.56 | mr | helo |
| 11:26.26 | valdyn | Stefunel: madison shows nearly all the same info, except which package available would be installed |
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| 11:28.13 | meliowant | nalex: may you help me? |
| 11:28.29 | ajikeshi | lol.. never heard of madison |
| 11:28.36 | nalex | meliowant, I would if I could |
| 11:28.42 | meliowant | :) |
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| 11:28.58 | meliowant | ok... I'm just not sure if I need to recompile the kernel |
| 11:29.10 | meliowant | and a bit lazy to do that now :) |
| 11:29.35 | valdyn | meliowant: its ok if it is not listed as used |
| 11:30.02 | valdyn | meliowant: but in fact i dont know how you want to see if a module is "used" |
| 11:30.18 | valdyn | meliowant: ( lsmod does not tell you ) |
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| 11:30.38 | meliowant | thermal 11674 0 |
| 11:30.44 | valdyn | meliowant: so? |
| 11:31.01 | meliowant | and /proc/acpi/thermal is empty |
| 11:31.15 | valdyn | meliowant: run "sensors" |
| 11:31.25 | meliowant | not found |
| 11:31.35 | valdyn | meliowant: /usr/sbin/sensors |
| 11:31.46 | meliowant | no sensors are found :) |
| 11:31.55 | meliowant | sensors-detect founds, and says I need to install "k10temp" module |
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| 11:32.43 | meliowant | I've installed it already, but nothing is changed. |
| 11:33.12 | Stefunel | thanks meliowant, valdyn |
| 11:33.39 | valdyn | meliowant: how did you load "k10temp" ? |
| 11:33.52 | meliowant | via modprobe, of course ;) |
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| 11:34.14 | meliowant | according to this: http://blog.morrigan.ch/?p=9 |
| 11:35.23 | valdyn | meliowant: ok, thats tough to support from here considering you compiled some external module for this |
| 11:35.43 | valdyn | !find k10temp.ko |
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| 11:36.44 | meliowant | the funniest thing is that I had testing before re-install and everything was ok... Maybe it was so because of upgrade from lenny |
| 11:36.57 | valdyn | meliowant: uname -r |
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| 11:37.09 | meliowant | valdyn: 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 11:37.31 | valdyn | meliowant: and lm-sensors is the version from squeeze also? |
| 11:37.41 | valdyn | judd: versions lm-sensors |
| 11:37.42 | judd | Package lm-sensors on i386 -- lenny: 1:3.0.2-1+b2; squeeze: 1:3.1.2-6; wheezy: 1:3.1.2-6; sid: 1:3.2.0-1 |
| 11:39.13 | MrFrood | I've just done a forced re-install after some hardware failures. Ive got openbox installed but I cannot get xterm (or urxvt) to open - they flsh up on the screen and the disappesr |
| 11:39.14 | meliowant | valdyn: sure |
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| 11:39.32 | MrFrood | *flash |
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| 11:39.46 | valdyn | MrFrood: start it from a terminal so you can see the error message |
| 11:40.09 | MrFrood | I can't open a terminal |
| 11:40.16 | valdyn | MrFrood: yes you can |
| 11:40.22 | valdyn | MrFrood: ctrl-alt-F1 |
| 11:40.30 | meliowant | :D |
| 11:40.36 | valdyn | MrFrood: log in there as the same user as you are in X |
| 11:40.47 | valdyn | MrFrood: then run "DISPLAY=:0 xterm" |
| 11:41.02 | MrFrood | I started there with the startx command |
| 11:41.18 | valdyn | MrFrood: so use ctrl-alt-f2 instead, theres another terminal |
| 11:41.22 | MrFrood | I'll try F3 |
| 11:41.29 | valdyn | MrFrood: right, whichever |
| 11:41.33 | MrFrood | f2 is irc |
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| 11:42.10 | valdyn | MrFrood: is it true that you preserved your $HOME accross that reinstall? |
| 11:42.57 | meliowant | valdyn: should I try lm-sensors from sid? |
| 11:43.13 | valdyn | meliowant: no i dont think that would be useful |
| 11:43.21 | MrFrood | no error messages and yes to HOME |
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| 11:43.41 | valdyn | meliowant: well, if it doesnt pull deps, it wont hurt to try |
| 11:43.41 | meliowant | Hmmm... Ok... So what I have to do right now? |
| 11:43.42 | MrFrood | works fine from a terminal |
| 11:44.17 | valdyn | MrFrood: xterm works fine? |
| 11:44.48 | meliowant | I've found something like this in my dmesg: "ACPI Exception: AE_OK, No or invalid critical threshold (20090903/thermal-386)" |
| 11:45.44 | MrFrood | strted from F3 yes, starting from the xterm started in F3 yes, from the openbox menu No |
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| 11:47.08 | rigved | hi everyone...i am on Debian Squeeze. i want to set up a netboot server. so, when a client machine on this network starts up (using netboot in the BIOS), the server should send an image to the client machine. the client machine should load this image and boot into it. can anyone tell me how to set up this server? even if you can point me to the right resources, that will also be fine. |
| 11:47.30 | valdyn | MrFrood: move your ~/.bashrc away for now |
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| 11:47.43 | valdyn | MrFrood: same for your ~/.profile and ~/.bash_profile |
| 11:47.57 | valdyn | MrFrood: and retry without those files |
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| 11:48.44 | valdyn | MrFrood: i assume all the relevant files in /etc are untouched and still as supplied by debian |
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| 11:50.06 | valdyn | MrFrood: I assume xterm works fine, but if the shell inside quits, so will xterm. You want to see if the shell inside quits without customisation |
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| 11:51.04 | MrFrood | no joy woth .profile .bashrc - my root partition was reformatted, only kept /Home |
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| 11:51.17 | valdyn | MrFrood: uh? |
| 11:51.25 | valdyn | MrFrood: is your X not running as your user? |
| 11:51.46 | MrFrood | start was done from my user |
| 11:51.57 | valdyn | MrFrood: so your ~/.* files are relevant |
| 11:52.04 | valdyn | MrFrood: thats inside /home |
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| 11:53.05 | MrFrood | I don't normally use bash or xterm so any configs should be as installed |
| 11:53.09 | valdyn | rigved: its in the debian documentation |
| 11:53.20 | Bartzy|work | Anyone knows of a rsync management utility ? |
| 11:53.25 | Bartzy|work | I want something that I can easily add time of rsync, what to rsync and from what host.. and it will do it... for a backup server. |
| 11:53.33 | valdyn | rigved: theres several way, I use tfpd + config in my dhcp server |
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| 11:53.47 | valdyn | rigved: its all documented in the debian manual |
| 11:54.04 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: thats a silly idea |
| 11:54.18 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: you have cron already and you have rsync, thats all you need |
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| 11:55.08 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: *but* theres various backup tool that will do this much better than you can acomplish by rewriting what already exists |
| 11:55.13 | Bartzy|work | valdyn: Yeah, but I would like something that would send logs, be responsible for trying again if there was a problem, etc... |
| 11:55.18 | rigved | valdyn, ok. thanks! i'll check it out |
| 11:55.25 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: look at backuppc |
| 11:55.26 | Bartzy|work | valdyn: Bacula/Amanda ? |
| 11:55.43 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: i use backuppc, its excellent |
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| 11:56.04 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: except that it cannot do vss, but so cant rsync |
| 11:56.17 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: and you probably are not backing up windows machines, are you |
| 11:56.24 | Bartzy|work | valdyn: I want to use ZFS in the backup server, and use its snapshot capabilites... I don't want the backups to be tarred or anything - just the same files, and then an ability to do a ZFS snapshot |
| 11:56.42 | _Dave123_ | what type of record should i pick to assign an ip address to a domain name i just buy? |
| 11:56.45 | Bartzy|work | valdyn: Actually, might be.. but I only need the files, without gzip or tar |
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| 11:56.51 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: you want to recreate a backup system on top of zfs |
| 11:56.58 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: thats not worth the effort |
| 11:57.13 | Bartzy|work | valdyn: Why not? I want to use ZFS snapshots. |
| 11:57.16 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: i never talked about tar |
| 11:57.28 | Bartzy|work | To save space |
| 11:57.34 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: as good as they might be - recreating a backup system is hard |
| 11:57.47 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: backuppc does this just aswell ( saving space ) |
| 11:57.52 | Bartzy|work | How ? |
| 11:58.13 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: just like zfs does, but it does it above the filesystem layer |
| 11:58.24 | Bartzy|work | hard links ? |
| 11:58.32 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: yes |
| 11:58.37 | Bartzy|work | :\ |
| 11:58.45 | Bartzy|work | It's stable ? |
| 11:59.00 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: see for yourself please - all I can say is that it works for me |
| 11:59.01 | Bartzy|work | And I can view the backups online? |
| 11:59.11 | Bartzy|work | OK, thanks. |
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| 11:59.33 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: you will no way be able to recreate its features yourself with a "rsync management tool" |
| 11:59.36 | meliowant | valdyn: it seems the prob;lem is solved with this driver: http://khali.linux-fr.org/devel/misc/k10temp/ |
| 11:59.52 | meliowant | everything is ok no. Thank you for your time :) |
| 12:00.25 | valdyn | !wine meliowant |
| 12:00.25 | dpkg | pours meliowant a nice glass of Sancerre |
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| 12:00.57 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: backuppc is really good, just try it |
| 12:01.06 | Bartzy|work | valdyn: What's the difference between bacula and backuppc ? |
| 12:01.11 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: only lack for my purposes is native vss support |
| 12:01.16 | Bartzy|work | I will |
| 12:01.37 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: bacuppc can easily be managed via just the web interface |
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| 12:01.49 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: bacula cant, I believe, but i have not used it |
| 12:01.50 | Bartzy|work | Well, how can it have VSS support if it has no client ? It backup via SMB shares right (Windows machines) ? |
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| 12:01.55 | meliowant | No is the question how to tell gnome-sensors-applet to use data from hwmon and not from /proc |
| 12:02.05 | meliowant | s/No/Now/ |
| 12:02.13 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: it backups up via smb or rsync or custom commands |
| 12:02.32 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: using those custom command hooks one can implement vss support |
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| 12:02.49 | Drepanon | hello guys |
| 12:02.49 | anoob | hi, how do i install roundcube (via apt-get) using a mysql user (root) without password? |
| 12:03.06 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: its been done as you will see if you google, but its not native support, thats why i say its a missing feature |
| 12:03.08 | Bartzy|work | valdyn: You can view the backups content online ? |
| 12:03.12 | Bartzy|work | like a snapshot ? |
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| 12:03.33 | Drepanon | I would like to install the latest intel video driver (sid) on my lenny. How do I do that ? |
| 12:03.50 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: you can browse the backed up directory trees with different file versions listed |
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| 12:04.11 | Bartzy|work | valdyn: But only through the web console? |
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| 12:04.30 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: this a cli too, but i dont use it |
| 12:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'k10temp.ko' returned no results. |
| 12:05.23 | Bartzy|work | valdyn: The benefit of ZFS snapshots is you can just view it like a regular filesystem |
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| 12:05.29 | Bartzy|work | over NFS or CIFS... |
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| 12:05.57 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: if thats a benefit, sure |
| 12:06.17 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: you can do the same nearly with backuppc, but files are slightly renamed |
| 12:06.18 | anoob | i get this error: http://pastebin.com/LvvkULr3 |
| 12:06.34 | Bartzy|work | all I need is something that does what backuppc does (schedules, rsync, easy config) but doesn't do fancy snapshot, compression and archiving stuff |
| 12:06.36 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: i find that quite pointless though |
| 12:07.22 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: i dont know a backup tool that supports zfs |
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| 12:07.40 | nkuttler | wouldn't you just make snapshots on zfs anyway? |
| 12:07.51 | valdyn | nkuttler: no |
| 12:07.51 | Bartzy|work | nkuttler: Meaning ? |
| 12:08.03 | valdyn | nkuttler: thats only doing the backup, thats the easiest |
| 12:08.13 | Bartzy|work | If the backup program implements snapshots in someway.... |
| 12:08.14 | valdyn | nkuttler: "just run rsync" or "just run snapshot command" |
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| 12:09.10 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: theres various smaller tools that will do rsync incremental or full backups, scheduled |
| 12:09.12 | meliowant | apt-get install computertemp and this Gnome applet resolves the last issue... It's really wine time :D |
| 12:09.22 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: but i dont know any that will add zfs snapshots to that |
| 12:10.01 | ekra | Hi *. Please, do you know how to run 2 instances of postfix (different ports) ? |
| 12:10.05 | nkuttler | Bartzy|work: fwiw, backuppc has command line tools as well |
| 12:10.32 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: i dont know where you put in rsync though, either you do rsync *or* zfs snapshots, wheres the place for both? |
| 12:10.37 | meliowant | judd: versions netbeans-platform |
| 12:10.38 | judd | Package netbeans-platform on i386 -- lenny/contrib: 6.0.1+dfsg-2; sid/contrib: 6.0.1+dfsg-3 |
| 12:11.01 | nkuttler | maybe he wants to rsync to the backup host and snapshot there.. |
| 12:11.15 | _Dave123_ | what type of record should i pick to assign an ip address to a domain name i just buy? |
| 12:11.29 | Bartzy|work | valdyn: rsync moves the data from my servers to the ZFS backup server |
| 12:11.36 | valdyn | nkuttler: and the point of that beyond being a little faster than rsync + hard links is beyond me |
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| 12:11.39 | Bartzy|work | valdyn: Then, I'll do a snapshot via ZFS... |
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| 12:12.09 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: yea, what i said |
| 12:12.18 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: probably best use cron then |
| 12:12.27 | nkuttler | yeah, sounds like simple cronjobs |
| 12:12.36 | Bartzy|work | valdyn: It's just that hard links seems kinda hacky |
| 12:12.45 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: why is it hacky? |
| 12:12.59 | ekra | _Dave123_, A => ipv4, AAAA ipv6 |
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| 12:13.44 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: no doubt, snapshots on fs level will perform much better |
| 12:14.08 | Bartzy|work | valdyn: It just seems to me that ZFS snapshots are a much better idea |
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| 12:14.20 | Bartzy|work | valdyn: It's a lower level |
| 12:14.24 | Bartzy|work | valdyn: yep. :) |
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| 12:14.44 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: youre completely right, but i would think very hard about which features i really need |
| 12:14.48 | sacredchao | I run LXDE, but I want to configure my screen to lock when I close my laptop lid |
| 12:15.00 | sacredchao | Any idea how to do this? An Xscreensaver config option? |
| 12:15.19 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: and if no backup system exists that supports zfs properly then i would not really care *how* snapshots are done, as long as its fast enough |
| 12:15.25 | nkuttler | sacredchao: i think that should fire an acpi event where you can run any lock app |
| 12:16.00 | Bartzy|work | valdyn: backuppc is doing well with Windows machines ? |
| 12:16.07 | nkuttler | ah |
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| 12:16.31 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: except that it cannot properly handle permissions and vss, yes |
| 12:17.45 | valdyn | ( but rsync is limited by the same issues ) |
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| 12:18.52 | valdyn | Bartzy|work: btw, Im mainly trying to get across that fs level snapshots are not worth it if you lose features and reliability that you need, im not endorsing backupps over bacula or proper backup system |
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| 12:20.34 | Eyes|Infinite | Hm |
| 12:20.49 | Eyes|Infinite | "Executing grub-install /dev/sda failed" |
| 12:20.56 | Eyes|Infinite | Can I ignore that? |
| 12:21.07 | ewet | hi, is there a cheap way to emulate a serial console (over ip) that at least makes it possible for me to type in a luks password? |
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| 12:26.39 | thewanderer1 | ewet: sure... it's also possible via SSH though |
| 12:27.12 | thewanderer1 | provided that you configure IP networking and the SSH server accordingly |
| 12:28.38 | Eyes|Infinite | You know, screw re-installing |
| 12:28.50 | Eyes|Infinite | gives up and installls it on a fresh disk |
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| 12:34.59 | ewet | thewanderer1: the ssh daemon would have to run _before_ any fs (except initrd) is mounted because / is encrypted (therefore luks)... |
| 12:35.12 | thewanderer1 | ewet: indeed |
| 12:35.34 | thewanderer1 | seen people do that with dropbear in initramfs |
| 12:35.50 | thewanderer1 | why do you need to LUKS-encrypt a remote machine anyway? |
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| 12:37.29 | ewet | thewanderer1: because that way it's easier for me to destroy drives with personal data. |
| 12:37.38 | ewet | it's a home server |
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| 12:38.47 | thewanderer1 | you could force Linux to use ttyS0 as console, too |
| 12:38.54 | ewet | that's also the reason for this cheap attempt because in general there are better ways... but I don't want to spend too much money on a cheap consumer hardware "server" |
| 12:39.05 | thewanderer1 | but you need a console server for this... a nullmodem cable and a capable host system |
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| 12:39.31 | thewanderer1 | you can do this with Linksys WRT54GL, OpenWRT and some soldering iron |
| 12:40.01 | thewanderer1 | got some Linux Magazine laying nearby which describes this kind of setup... |
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| 12:40.47 | judgen | Hi |
| 12:41.23 | ewet | i would prefer any solution without tampering with the hardware... i'll go and read about dropbear first |
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| 12:41.41 | thewanderer1 | it's not secure anyway :P |
| 12:41.46 | judgen | I am at console now, trying to figure out how to change the wm from nothing to amiwm. Any help? |
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| 12:42.47 | thewanderer1 | judgen: how do you launch the wm? |
| 12:42.51 | judgen | when i xinit i get a cursor and checkers desktop as it tries to load some kind of gnome session that is not installed- |
| 12:42.57 | frgomes | hello guys :) Please help me! I'm trying to install Debian Squeeze/kfreebsd on a laptop and it is freezing. Where I could find help on installation process? Thanks :) |
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| 12:43.19 | thewanderer1 | judgen: write an .xinitrc and put your commands there |
| 12:43.24 | thewanderer1 | or was it .Xsession ? |
| 12:44.02 | judgen | thewanderer is there a global file for that or do i have to edit thet for every user? (about 120 people) |
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| 12:45.58 | judgen | or could i edit one and do a recursive copy to all user folders? or even symlink to a specific one? |
| 12:47.16 | judgen | ln -s -r does not provide that kind of functionality |
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| 12:47.46 | judgen | I would like this server to load up amiwm at every xsession |
| 12:48.04 | judgen | and not that broken gnome i have installed due to installing synaptic. |
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| 12:48.32 | thewanderer1 | judgen: do them all a favour and install a display manager... |
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| 12:49.07 | judgen | thewanderer1 problem is that most display managers load by default and much of the work is done via the terminal. |
| 12:49.15 | m3tti_ | judgen: is it for one user or every user |
| 12:49.23 | frgomes | hello guys :) Please help me! I'm trying to install Debian Squeeze/kfreebsd on a laptop and it is freezing. Where I could find help on installation process? Thanks :) |
| 12:49.31 | thewanderer1 | judgen: so write a custom script for xinit |
| 12:49.36 | judgen | m3tti_ about 30 of them want gui. |
| 12:50.06 | thewanderer1 | judgen: read /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc |
| 12:50.09 | m3tti_ | judgen: i guess than you have to change some file in /etc/X11/ |
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| 12:51.04 | judgen | thank you, but why is the default loading gnome now, when it loaded amiwm perfectly before? Is there a prio list? |
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| 12:51.15 | m3tti_ | the file tells to create a xsession file in /etc/X11 |
| 12:51.22 | m3tti_ | no clue judgen |
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| 12:52.17 | thewanderer1 | judgen: probably something to do with installed session files |
| 12:52.37 | thewanderer1 | SYSSESSIONDIR=/etc/X11/Xsession.d |
| 12:52.54 | judgen | thewanderer, any suggestion how to set amiwm (or any other wm) as permanent non touchable file? |
| 12:53.15 | thewanderer1 | what kind of permanent non touchable file? the binary of the WM itself? |
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| 12:54.05 | judgen | no but we have two root accounts. No biggy. |
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| 12:54.27 | judgen | i figure it out.. |
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| 12:54.35 | thewanderer1 | like two users with UID 0? scary |
| 12:54.55 | judgen | thewanderer1 i know.. but it is not decided by me. |
| 12:54.57 | thewanderer1 | if you have 2 roots then you can not prevent one from interfering with the other :P |
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| 12:55.23 | judgen | thewanderer i had the problem with file locks when both are using the same file. |
| 12:55.25 | thewanderer1 | gotta burn the file on a ROM, along with all root filesystem, and solder onto the board... |
| 12:56.01 | thewanderer1 | this isn't relevant to the amiwm problem, is it? |
| 12:56.03 | c3l | Im on squeeze, with xmonad, and even though Ive set the screens to shut down/sleep no sooner than an hour after last activity, they die after about 10-15 min. why? and where do I configure this? |
| 12:56.22 | judgen | ok back to the question: "where is the prio order for WM's" |
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| 12:56.38 | thewanderer1 | judgen: I don't think there's any - it picks one that it likes |
| 12:57.22 | judgen | thewanderer the problem is just the same as at my home desktop that it prefers gnome over everything else. |
| 12:57.32 | thewanderer1 | let's see... |
| 12:57.36 | judgen | i never install gnome, in fact i hate it. |
| 12:57.53 | judgen | but i like gtk and the apps that uses gtk |
| 12:58.04 | judgen | some apps iaf |
| 12:58.34 | thewanderer1 | /usr/share/xsessions/ |
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| 12:58.57 | judgen | Would i have to install a dm it would mess with the users that does not want a slow conn to a terminal. |
| 12:59.26 | judgen | and i can't tell the 30 users that want gui to take a hike, as i would be fired. |
| 13:00.52 | frgomes | . |
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| 13:00.53 | frgomes | hello guys :) Please help me! I'm trying to install Debian Squeeze/kfreebsd on a laptop and it is freezing. Where I could find help on installation process? Thanks :) |
| 13:00.55 | frgomes | . |
| 13:01.07 | judgen | frgomes looping much? |
| 13:01.31 | thewanderer1 | let's start xinit and see what it does on my system |
| 13:01.36 | frgomes | judgen: thanks for replying. The installation manual does not help much :( |
| 13:01.39 | yucatan | how can i attach a screen session? |
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| 13:02.11 | judgen | frgomes my best bet is looking at the freebsd docs as that is pretty much waht kFreebsd is |
| 13:02.14 | nkuttler | yucatan: man screen |
| 13:02.38 | frgomes | judgen: thanks :) |
| 13:02.54 | judgen | thewanderer1 thanks for helping me in this matter. |
| 13:03.54 | judgen | frgnomes, no problem. Is there a particular issue that stops the process of booting? I have some knowledge about OpenBSD that can be applied somewhat to some issues. |
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| 13:05.07 | judgen | thewanderer1, found anything that i can use? |
| 13:05.44 | thewanderer1 | judgen: you can use /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc and put the exec command for your WM there, but I still don't know where the default comes from |
| 13:05.56 | ewet | thewanderer1: cool debian can do that out of the box - read /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/README.remote.gz :) |
| 13:06.09 | frgomes | judgen: well... first of all, it's not clear how i should enter boot parameters. I mean, if I press 'e' to change boot parameters, there's no example anywhere telling if I should set a parameters before the kfreebsd line or not. It's not clear if parameters should be specified in the end of that line or whaterver. |
| 13:06.25 | ewet | thewanderer1: thanks for your hint to dropbear! |
| 13:06.55 | judgen | thewanderer1 what would be the proper line to use in this scenario? |
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| 13:07.18 | frgomes | judgen: I've tried to set "set BOOT_DEBUG=2" before the kfreebsd line and also "BOOT_DEBUG=2" in the end of kfreebsd line. |
| 13:07.19 | thewanderer1 | judgen: something like 'exec amiwm &' |
| 13:07.20 | judgen | lets say it is jut a empty file |
| 13:07.36 | thewanderer1 | judgen: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50x11-common_determine-startup holds the ultimate answer - and it's not 42 this time |
| 13:07.47 | judgen | hehe |
| 13:07.51 | judgen | good one |
| 13:07.58 | judgen | ok i will try now |
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| 13:08.06 | thewanderer1 | read it and you'll know :) |
| 13:08.45 | thewanderer1 | of course it's managed by the alternatives system :P |
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| 13:10.43 | judgen | Ok, that did not work at all |
| 13:11.09 | judgen | locked up the computer |
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| 13:12.13 | frgomes | judgen: after many trials (and it should much easier if an example is available!) looks like I have to put BOOT_DEBUG in the end of kfreebsd line. I tid it because I know how grub and lilo work... not because it is written anywhere in the installation manual. :( OK... going ahead ... |
| 13:12.54 | judgen | frgnomes bsd documentation is scrappy at bes sometimes. |
| 13:13.00 | judgen | best* |
| 13:13.13 | frgomes | judgen: in expert mode with BOOT_DEBUG=2 it shows that it freezes trying to probe ehci0: Intel 82801FB |
| 13:13.30 | thewanderer1 | judgen: did you use alternatives to switch x-session-manager to amiwm? |
| 13:13.32 | treebeen | wow, that's fun, the debian installer just wrote the mbr to my company's laptop hdd instead of the usb stick I was installing to, luckily I had a backup of the mbr... |
| 13:13.39 | thewanderer1 | judgen: or at least x-window-manager |
| 13:13.46 | ajikeshi | LOL |
| 13:13.55 | thewanderer1 | treebeen: it always writes MBR wherever it sees fit :) |
| 13:14.22 | thewanderer1 | treebeen: didn't it ask you where to put it, actually? |
| 13:14.44 | treebeen | thewanderer1: no, just asked if i want it on the mbr |
| 13:14.54 | thewanderer1 | ah-ha... |
| 13:14.56 | thewanderer1 | Lenny? |
| 13:15.11 | treebeen | thewanderer1: thought it will take the mbr of the device i was installing to... wrong I was... no, squeeze |
| 13:15.17 | judgen | bsd has problems with ehci in general. As it uses a very old module that is not working well. It was the BOMB at supporting OHCI when it was released though. |
| 13:15.26 | judgen | AMD put a lot of effort into that one |
| 13:15.48 | thewanderer1 | treebeen: perhaps it only asks in expert mode :P |
| 13:15.51 | frgomes | judgen: I suppose this is non-free firmware which needs to be included in the installation somehow. Or maybe I should exclude something. From what I read, in expert mode it probes the hardware and lets you choose which modules you'd like to include/exclude. But the probe process is failing very early and nothing happens. The system freezes. Any clue? |
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| 13:16.55 | treebeen | thewanderer1: ah well, another proof for: don't take your laptop from the business and mess with linux :) |
| 13:16.59 | judgen | thewanderer1 it still loads gnome.. not the added line of amiwm. |
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| 13:17.26 | thewanderer1 | judgen: did you modify xinitrc? |
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| 13:17.44 | enoch_ | hi all |
| 13:17.52 | judgen | this client sucks so fierce, i had a good one earlier but i can not for the love of me remeber it's name |
| 13:17.55 | thewanderer1 | treebeen: it is rather a proof of "backups pay off" and "always take all hard drives out before messing" :D |
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| 13:18.03 | enoch_ | im having problems during the install of 6.0 on a intel quad core |
| 13:18.05 | judgen | thewanderer1 yes indeed i did |
| 13:18.15 | enoch_ | the system hangs up after hardware detect |
| 13:18.17 | judgen | still loads gnome |
| 13:18.23 | enoch_ | how can i see some logs? |
| 13:18.38 | thewanderer1 | judgen: okay, revert that and set x-window-manager via update-alternatives |
| 13:18.44 | judgen | enoch_ /var /log |
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| 13:18.51 | enoch_ | judgen how? |
| 13:19.13 | enoch_ | how can i open a shell |
| 13:19.14 | enoch_ | ? |
| 13:20.05 | judgen | enoch_ tried atl+f2 keys? |
| 13:20.06 | treebeen | thewanderer1: backup really was worth it, hehe. |
| 13:20.52 | enoch_ | judgen whait i have a strange keyboard :D now im trying the graphical installation |
| 13:21.32 | thewanderer1 | heh, graphical install is less stable than the text one :P |
| 13:22.16 | judgen | thewanderer1 i hav problems understanding the language of the server as the man pages is in swedish... |
| 13:22.18 | enoch_ | mhh he dmesg says something about fd0 and something about a fat partition that does not support utf8 |
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| 13:22.46 | judgen | enoch_ remove the floppy or usb drive. |
| 13:22.48 | frgomes | enoch_ I'm having troubles too. |
| 13:22.51 | thewanderer1 | judgen: linux.die.net has good online manpages |
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| 13:23.10 | frgomes | enoch_ I'm trying to install squeeze/kfreebsd on a laptop |
| 13:23.10 | enoch_ | i have no floppy and now im tryiung to disable it in the cmos |
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| 13:23.31 | judgen | thewanderer i have no framebuffer driver and no working X.... so big problem |
| 13:23.37 | thewanderer1 | enoch_: fd0 does not usually cause problems |
| 13:23.51 | thewanderer1 | judgen: err... so you're trying to run amiwm without X? |
| 13:23.55 | enoch_ | maybe the sata controller? |
| 13:24.06 | thewanderer1 | yeah, SATA is often picky |
| 13:24.19 | enoch_ | what i have to set in the bios AHCI or IDE? I have a sata hard drive and a sata cd-rom |
| 13:24.25 | thewanderer1 | AHCI |
| 13:24.34 | enoch_ | ok working |
| 13:24.37 | thewanderer1 | the controller is not related to AHCI anyway |
| 13:24.48 | aguitel | thewanderer1, gdm3 have bugs in squeeze? |
| 13:24.55 | frgomes | enoch_ : Pass BOOT_DEBUG=2 in order to see what is happening. "Seems like" you have to pass it as a kernel parameter, i.e: in the end of a line which loads the kernel |
| 13:25.03 | judgen | thewanderer1 no! i am trying to run amiwm, the xserver works, but my gnome session is not installed so i get stuck with a cursor and checkers desktop. |
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| 13:25.08 | thewanderer1 | aguitel: dunno... works rather fine for me |
| 13:25.17 | judgen | so i can not do anything in there |
| 13:25.29 | thewanderer1 | judgen: okay... doesn't ctrl+alt+bksp work? |
| 13:25.42 | judgen | nope |
| 13:25.45 | aguitel | thewanderer1, ok |
| 13:25.46 | frgomes | enoch_ I'm trying kfreebsd, so I have to pass BOOT_DEBUG=2 on the end of that line. It may be different for you, if you are not trying kfreebsd. |
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| 13:25.50 | thewanderer1 | judgen: if not, use alt+SysRq+K to get out |
| 13:25.51 | enoch_ | fd0 was the problem |
| 13:26.03 | thewanderer1 | huh O.o |
| 13:26.32 | judgen | thewanderer1 sysreq`??? |
| 13:26.35 | thewanderer1 | wants to see AHCI SATA floppies |
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| 13:26.37 | thewanderer1 | judgen: yes |
| 13:26.55 | thewanderer1 | judgen: it kills all processes on the current terminal |
| 13:27.14 | judgen | thewanderer1 is there such a key on swedish keyboards? |
| 13:27.27 | thewanderer1 | judgen: do you have Print Screen? it's the same |
| 13:27.32 | judgen | aaah |
| 13:28.59 | judgen | thewander1 i have low hopes now of finding out why gnome is prio 1... i will just remove all gnome apps with a purge and hope it helps |
| 13:29.07 | enoch_ | another question: can i use a wireless pci card as AP? all cards have this support? on ubuntu i got some problem configuring an interface as MASTER |
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| 13:30.04 | thewanderer1 | judgen: it is prio 1 because it's set in alternatives |
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| 13:30.22 | thewanderer1 | judgen: update-alternatives --list x-session-manager |
| 13:31.16 | thewanderer1 | enoch_: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers - look for AP support here |
| 13:31.38 | judgen | ok all gtk and gnome packages removed... brb |
| 13:31.54 | thewanderer1 | actually you could have used alternatives to configure that :P |
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| 13:33.42 | yucatan | how can i attach a screen session? |
| 13:33.55 | yucatan | i try to open a exsisting screen session but i cant get it done. |
| 13:34.13 | thewanderer1 | yucatan: screen -R sessionname |
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| 13:35.32 | djura-san | o/ |
| 13:36.09 | enoch_ | thanks all fopr the support see u guys |
| 13:36.35 | yucatan | can i use procesid? |
| 13:36.41 | xand | yes. |
| 13:37.03 | yucatan | then i get new screen |
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| 13:37.12 | yucatan | screen -r procesid |
| 13:37.16 | yucatan | then i get a new screen |
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| 13:37.18 | yucatan | emty |
| 13:37.34 | yucatan | it dont open the exsisting session |
| 13:37.38 | frgomes | judgen: thanks for helping me. Better try kfreebsd in 2 years time. I needed only dprobe... better use systemtap on linux, instead. Cheers :) |
| 13:37.40 | thewanderer1 | so try name.pid |
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| 13:37.49 | yucatan | and what is the session name? |
| 13:37.52 | yucatan | how can i see that |
| 13:37.55 | thewanderer1 | screen -ls |
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| 13:40.59 | yucatan | i get : Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/4' - please check. |
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| 13:43.17 | Eyes|Infinite | I want to download a cd image, which one should I get? |
| 13:44.42 | enoch_ | thewanderer1: when i set an interface as master it says: Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06): Set failed on device wlan0 ; Invalit argument. |
| 13:45.05 | thewanderer1 | enoch_: have you verified that your drivers support it? |
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| 13:45.08 | enoch_ | thewanderer1: sure |
| 13:45.12 | enoch_ | b43 |
| 13:45.20 | thewanderer1 | perhaps you don't have firmware installed? |
| 13:45.27 | enoch_ | ... |
| 13:45.35 | enoch_ | thewanderer1 how can i install it? |
| 13:45.40 | thewanderer1 | b43-fwcutter |
| 13:45.53 | thewanderer1 | it should be documented on wiki.debian.org or on the site mentioned |
| 13:45.54 | enoch_ | mhh |
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| 13:47.34 | enoch_ | thewanderer1 and for rt61pci? is there another firmware? how is named? |
| 13:47.46 | cahoot | !wifi |
| 13:47.46 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <brcm80211>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 13:47.47 | thewanderer1 | firmware-realtek |
| 13:48.00 | enoch_ | i have two wireless card and i have to make a wireless bridge and i have to decide what to use as ap |
| 13:48.05 | enoch_ | ok thanks again |
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| 13:48.13 | enoch_ | going to try all |
| 13:48.15 | enoch_ | cya guys |
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| 13:48.50 | Dupa343224 | Test |
| 13:48.51 | test_ | Hi |
| 13:49.43 | rigved | Eyes|Infinite, go for Ubuntu 10.04.2 Desktop Edition. you can download the 32-bit or 64-bit depending on what your processor supports |
| 13:50.09 | Eyes|Infinite | I mean for Debian. CD1,CD2 ETC |
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| 13:50.50 | cahoot | Eyes|Infinite: only the first needed, simplest/smaller is the netinst inmage |
| 13:50.57 | rigved | Eyes|Infinite, oh sorry. i have both chat channels open |
| 13:51.00 | Eyes|Infinite | I don't like netinst |
| 13:51.04 | Eyes|Infinite | Ah |
| 13:51.21 | rigved | Eyes|Infinite, go for the 1st one like cahoot said |
| 13:51.26 | Eyes|Infinite | Okay |
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| 13:52.41 | Test007 | /msg bots |
| 13:53.20 | thewanderer1 | Eyes|Infinite: you should use DVD if possible |
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| 13:53.36 | Eyes|Infinite | Far pt much to downloads |
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| 13:54.32 | treebeen | !killswitch |
| 13:54.32 | dpkg | Many wireless drivers (including the ipw* and iwl* drivers) will complain about the kill switch. This is either a keystroke (like Fn+F2) or a physical switch that you need to toggle to turn the radio on. When the kill switch is on, the radio is off (odd way of expressing things, isn't it?) and your network card won't work. See also <rfkill>. |
| 13:55.19 | treebeen | !what's my wirless |
| 13:55.28 | treebeen | !what's my wireless |
| 13:55.28 | dpkg | Install the hwinfo package and execute "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan", or http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ , or ask me about <whats my hardware>. See also <wireless>. |
| 13:55.58 | treebeen | oh, all kinds of neat info I've never heard about :) |
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| 14:05.16 | jmeeuwen | hi, i'm building (or trying to build) some packages of my own, but I'm getting an error when trying to install them stating "trying to overwrite '/usr/share/php/doc', which is also in package php-pear" |
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| 14:06.36 | ssssssssssssssss | tekst |
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| 14:07.20 | jmeeuwen | out of a trio of php-pear, php-http-request and php-date, only php-date is stock lenny, for the full output i have http://fpaste.org/mHjT/ |
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| 14:08.10 | jmeeuwen | i'm sort of clueless as well as curious as to how i am to resolve this issue |
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| 14:10.15 | jmeeuwen | noted i would like to resolve this on the packaging side, not on the client side |
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| 14:18.07 | Iridos | is there a way of finding the window id of a window as used by wmctrl by clicking on it? |
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| 14:18.41 | Iridos | xprop reports a "_NET_WM_USER_TIME_WINDOW(WINDOW): window id #", but that doesn't match any window ids given by wmctrl |
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| 14:19.47 | uoods | Iridos: xwininfo |
| 14:20.37 | Iridos | doesn't print anything like that.... |
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| 14:21.11 | penguin42 | is there a way to persuade apt to do a download only even though it can see there are many broken dependencies on the system ? apt-get -d install seems to still moan about dependencies which seems wrong |
| 14:21.23 | Iridos | oh, it does... and I overlooked it 3 times :) |
| 14:21.40 | Iridos | uoods, do you know what the id shown by xprop is? |
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| 14:22.08 | uoods | I don't, sorry |
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| 14:22.24 | root|toor | Heya |
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| 14:23.06 | root|toor | i got this vps and i setup their only debian image they had.. Im trying to add a user, but everytime it askes for kerboes password |
| 14:23.15 | root|toor | anyone know wtf is up? lol |
| 14:23.38 | nkuttler | root|toor: talk to your hoster |
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| 14:23.59 | root|toor | nkuttler: they wouldnt know :) |
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| 14:24.19 | root|toor | i smell something rotten tho |
| 14:24.42 | Iridos | look underneath the sofa |
| 14:24.58 | root|toor | hehe i doubt they are hiding there hehe |
| 14:25.03 | nkuttler | root|toor: debian doesn't install any kerberos by default afaik |
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| 14:25.11 | root|toor | same afaik hehe |
| 14:25.27 | root|toor | i did ask for a new image of debian 6 |
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| 14:25.40 | root|toor | lets see if i get it, second time i ask |
| 14:26.02 | root|toor | ( they have a whole range of centos images, so i guess you know what im dealing with ) |
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| 14:27.15 | root|toor | nkuttler: are you on debian right now? |
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| 14:31.34 | root|toor | hmm apt says i dont have Kerberos |
| 14:31.38 | root|toor | this is wicked |
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| 14:34.06 | root|toor | ah its krb5 |
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| 14:36.02 | root|toor | works now hehe |
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| 14:36.47 | root|toor | gonna go test it |
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| 14:38.54 | apollo13 | can someone point me to debian 5.0 iso downloads, I fail to find them |
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| 14:39.14 | apollo13 | (and yes I know 6.0 is released but I want to upgrade to 5 first *gg*) |
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| 14:40.16 | themill | apollo13: /msg dpkg install lenny |
| 14:40.25 | apollo13 | themill: thx |
| 14:42.23 | robokop | but why do you need cd's to upgrade? no network on that machine? |
| 14:43.55 | apollo13 | robokop: I want no downtime, so I am installing lenny on a new machine copying xen domUs over from an etch dom0 upgrade that one to squeeze and copy back |
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| 14:44.55 | apollo13 | that is if I upgrade the other machine at all, xen4 on squeeze is giving me a hard time |
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| 14:55.36 | t3sting | ola |
| 14:55.39 | t3sting | hi |
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| 14:55.59 | t3st | hi |
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| 15:05.26 | silidan | hi, i have currently installed debian lenny on my main machine, now i want to test a laptop with this os, how can i just coppy my current install to a usb drive and make it bootable? |
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| 15:07.07 | Iridos | "just" |
| 15:08.32 | nkuttler | silidan: you want to make a fresh install, preferably squeeze |
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| 15:09.15 | PerfDave | Any recommendations for something I can run on top of Debian Squeeze as an XBMC-style media player with remote (network) control? XBMC requires a high-end graphics card *just* for its own UI. |
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| 15:12.28 | pipeline | PerfDave: XBMC is by far your best choice |
| 15:12.45 | silidan | nkuttler: no i dont want to make a fresh install... there is alot of custom build software i dont want to reinstall from scratch... |
| 15:12.52 | pipeline | PerfDave: scoff at the "high end graphics" requirement, if you like, but you can get away with a very low power CPU for that reason |
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| 15:13.12 | pipeline | PerfDave: modern nvidia chips can 100% offload video decoding, so you can have a totally adequate XBMC system with an intel atom in it |
| 15:13.39 | nkuttler | silidan: yes, you want to make a new install. why do you build custom software anyway? sounds like you're missing the point. |
| 15:14.15 | PerfDave | pipeline: I don't have a modern nvidia chip. |
| 15:14.15 | pipeline | PerfDave: my XBMC box is a 1 GHz pentium M ... runs 1080 smooth as silk thanks to dedicated HW for that purpose. The entire thing has a single 40 mm fan :) |
| 15:14.20 | cronix | is it possible to merge diffrent remote mirrors into one local mirror and keep that local mirror up2date with the remote mirrors? for eg. combine official debian apt mirrors with e-tobi's vdr mirrors and debianmultimedia mirrors and host them as 1 local mirror for network installation purposes? |
| 15:14.24 | silidan | nkuttler: yes my fault was that i installed debian... instead of switching to other distro i made the mistake to build the newer stuff i needed from source... |
| 15:14.24 | pipeline | PerfDave: then go buy one, they're not very expensive |
| 15:15.05 | PerfDave | pipeline: I have hardware that's perfectly capable of playing the video I want to play. I just want some software to enable me to have a nice interface for that. I shouldn't need to buy an entire new system just to run a fucking media player UI :) |
| 15:15.07 | nkuttler | silidan: that's wrong indeed. you can install backports, there's been a new release a few days ago, and there are other options besides stable |
| 15:15.24 | pipeline | PerfDave: it's clearly not adequate, because most things that can run the XBMC UI are way too slow to play media |
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| 15:15.36 | PerfDave | pipeline: It clearly is adequate, because that's what I use it for. |
| 15:15.37 | pipeline | PerfDave: like I said, I run it on a 1 GHz Pentium M. How slow is your hardware? |
| 15:15.47 | PerfDave | pipeline: *plonk* |
| 15:16.03 | pipeline | not my problem |
| 15:16.28 | PerfDave | Does anybody have any useful suggestions for a media player I can run on top of Squeeze? I can play video just fine, I just want a nice UI with network control for it. |
| 15:16.30 | pipeline | it's hilarious to see a man complain that 100% free software provided by professionals working for free is too slow to run on his 10 year old hardware |
| 15:17.39 | silidan | nkuttler: ok well at lleast thanks for pointin that this is not possible... so a new install it will be... any always up to date source based distro to consider for me? (hint: sid is also too much too out of date for me...) |
| 15:17.43 | MrFrood | pipeline: I'm using 10 year old hardware with no speed issues |
| 15:17.55 | themill | pipeline: offering answers that are commensurate to the question asked is usually more helpful. |
| 15:18.08 | pipeline | themill: the correct answer to his question is the solution he rejected at the outset |
| 15:18.13 | nkuttler | silidan: if sid is too old for you i can't help you |
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| 15:19.19 | MrFrood | PerfDave: Try vlc or smplayer |
| 15:19.59 | Iridos | silidan, partition new disk/stick with swap and root filesystem, tar -cvf / | cd /usbstick && tar -xvf - -X /tmp/myexcludes,... boot on the laptop with help of a rescue-CD or similar, adjust fstab and make bootable with update-grub |
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| 15:21.06 | PerfDave | MrFrood: Yeah, VLC doesn't seem to do what I want - I basically want to turn on my desktop, have the display manager auto-login to a media playing account, and that brings up a full-screen remote-controlled media player. VLC can be network controlled, but needs some set-up first. I'll check out smplayer. |
| 15:22.15 | Iridos | but I don't see much of a point... seems you made a mess of it anyway and should do a fresh install |
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| 15:23.59 | thewanderer1 | what was that TV program called? |
| 15:24.04 | thewanderer1 | MythTV it seems |
| 15:24.09 | MrFrood | PerfDave: XMBC might be what you are looking for |
| 15:24.37 | thewanderer1 | I think MythTV has multiple interfaces and is modular and networked as well... dunno what it can play, but check it out |
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| 15:25.50 | PerfDave | MrFrood: Its UI is far too heavyweight. |
| 15:26.58 | MrFrood | PerfDave: Thats why I stick with mplayer - I on't even need X running to use it |
| 15:27.39 | project2501a | yay! |
| 15:27.43 | project2501a | congrats debian :D |
| 15:27.50 | project2501a | now ubuntu can leech off. |
| 15:28.09 | PerfDave | MrFrood: See, I can play the videos just fine locally, using xine or mplayer, but the XBMC UI just sits there and eats all my CPU. |
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| 15:30.24 | pipeline | now something sounds as if it is wrong... xbmc shoudln't eat a lot of cpu at idle :\ |
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| 15:32.06 | SPF | lenny->squeeze problem. My system has some non-free drivers. The 3pp provides kernels in .deb format, but I dont know which ones I can install for squeeze. Currently I have 2.6.28-34. Available are 2.6.31-34 and 2.6.35-34 |
| 15:32.58 | uoods | I have a bad internet connection, is there a way to throttle my aptitude upgrades? |
| 15:33.06 | rigved | SPF, squeeze uses 2.6.32-5 |
| 15:33.18 | themill | SPF: none of them are the squeeze kernel. /msg judd kernels --release squeeze |
| 15:33.30 | SPF | 2.6.28-34 aint a lenny kernel either |
| 15:33.42 | SPF | if I would install 2.6.32-5, some devices might not work anymore |
| 15:34.17 | PerfDave | uoods: man apt.conf, look for Acquire::http::Dl-Limit |
| 15:34.21 | ajikeshi | what weird 3pp do u use? |
| 15:34.25 | SPF | fitpc2 |
| 15:34.44 | SPF | for starters I'm missing the r8169: rtl_nic/rtl8168d-2.fw, rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw |
| 15:35.07 | uoods | PerfDave: thank you |
| 15:35.11 | blackest_mamba | I'm having problems pulling out the postgres-8.3 for lenny |
| 15:35.16 | blackest_mamba | it's marked as pc |
| 15:35.28 | blackest_mamba | when I try to remove, it says it isn't installed. |
| 15:35.51 | blackest_mamba | I upgraded to squeeze and all seems fine except this one package refuses to come out |
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| 15:36.05 | blackest_mamba | any tips? |
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| 15:39.30 | uoods | blackest_mamba: by pulling/come out you mean removing it? |
| 15:39.39 | blackest_mamba | yes. |
| 15:40.03 | blackest_mamba | 8.4 for squeeze is installed fine |
| 15:40.11 | uoods | blackest_mamba: what else does it say? pastebin it preferably |
| 15:40.24 | blackest_mamba | that's the thing it doesn't say anything |
| 15:41.01 | blackest_mamba | Package postgresql-8.3 is not installed, so not removed |
| 15:41.06 | blackest_mamba | that's it |
| 15:41.10 | uoods | blackest_mamba: dpkg -l | grep -i postgres |
| 15:41.29 | blackest_mamba | exactly |
| 15:41.33 | blackest_mamba | but it shows up there |
| 15:41.40 | blackest_mamba | marked as 'pc' |
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| 15:41.58 | uoods | blackest_mamba: dpkg -P <package name> |
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| 15:42.59 | cinix_ | Where can I find information on scripting the dpkg configure options. I want to pass my preset arguments instead of the interactive interface |
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| 15:43.48 | pipeline | cinix_: check out the debconf-set-selections and debconf-get-selections tools... you can set the debconf options ahead of time, then when dpkg runs, it won't need to prompt the user |
| 15:43.53 | PerfDave | cinix_: IS this for a custom installation? |
| 15:44.04 | cinix_ | yeap |
| 15:44.13 | blackest_mamba | uoods: http://pastebin.com/2KM9Rd3q |
| 15:44.15 | PerfDave | cinix_: Check out the "Debian Pure Blends" docs and preseeding |
| 15:44.18 | cinix_ | I'm setting up a test site, and I'll probably want to rebuild it a few times |
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| 15:44.51 | pipeline | cinix_: so set it up once, use debconf-get-selections to save your choices, then in future installs, use debconf-set-selections to make your choices ahead-of-installation |
| 15:45.06 | cinix_ | wonderful, thanks! |
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| 15:46.21 | uoods | blackest_mamba: I would look in at the /var/lib/dpkg/info/postgres*.postinst scripts |
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| 15:46.46 | uoods | blackest_mamba: uh, not postinst, postrm |
| 15:47.05 | PerfDave | cinix_: Of course, if you want to install lots of stuff the same way over one site, you might look at cfengine2 or puppet or similar deployment / config tools. |
| 15:47.19 | Iridos | uoods, trickle, perhaps |
| 15:47.22 | blackest_mamba | uoods: only hav e postrm and list |
| 15:47.39 | uoods | blackest_mamba: yes, look at postrm |
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| 15:48.05 | blackest_mamba | uoods: what am I looking for? |
| 15:48.18 | uoods | Iridos: thanks, the Acquire method in apt.conf did what I wanted for aptitude |
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| 15:48.53 | blackest_mamba | hrm |
| 15:49.01 | uoods | blackest_mamba: just see anything related to pg_ctlcluster and comment it out maybe? |
| 15:49.05 | blackest_mamba | seems like it's getting stuck on this dropcluster thing |
| 15:51.06 | blackest_mamba | uoods: http://pastebin.com/Ry2MZMb8 |
| 15:51.13 | blackest_mamba | that's what's in the postrm file |
| 15:51.42 | blackest_mamba | I wonder if I blow away the part about pg_dropcluster if it would work |
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| 15:51.50 | blackest_mamba | but I don't want to damage my 8.4 install |
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| 15:52.45 | uoods | blackest_mamba: heh odd, it complains about /usr/bin/pg_ctlcluster but I don't see such a thing in postrm |
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| 15:53.07 | blackest_mamba | right |
| 15:53.17 | blackest_mamba | I'm surprised I'm the only one seeing this |
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| 15:54.08 | uoods | blackest_mamba: and I'm not sure what file line 289 belongs to |
| 15:54.19 | blackest_mamba | Yeah, i was thinking the same thing |
| 15:54.25 | blackest_mamba | it must be using some other file |
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| 15:54.37 | blackest_mamba | I wonder if it's trying to use the one for 8.4 or something |
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| 15:55.21 | uoods | blackest_mamba: I don't use/have postgresql so I'm just stabbing in the dark here |
| 15:56.01 | uoods | blackest_mamba: so is 8.4 running? |
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| 15:56.44 | blackest_mamba | it appears so |
| 15:57.06 | blackest_mamba | I'm normally a FreeBSD user so Debian is sort of a new animal for me |
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| 15:57.36 | uoods | blackest_mamba: I would backup 8.4's configs and databases just in case |
| 15:57.37 | blackest_mamba | how can I stop postgres |
| 15:58.20 | uoods | blackest_mamba: I don't use it but I would guess invoke-rc.d postgresql stop |
| 15:58.28 | uoods | or something like that |
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| 15:59.28 | uoods | blackest_mamba: I see, check /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.3* |
| 16:00.14 | blackest_mamba | Stopping PostgreSQL 8.4 database server: main. |
| 16:00.31 | uoods | blackest_mamba: ^ |
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| 16:00.54 | uoods | blackest_mamba: that is line 5 of .postrm |
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| 16:01.03 | blackest_mamba | it still gives the same error: http://pastebin.com/2KM9Rd3q |
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| 16:01.28 | uoods | blackest_mamba: look into the above ^ |
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| 16:02.03 | home-alone | do I need to install grub if I am installing Debian as my only OS |
| 16:02.12 | pipeline | home-alone: yes |
| 16:02.29 | pipeline | home-alone: you might be able to get lilo to work, but grub is the preferred choice |
| 16:03.01 | home-alone | ok thank you |
| 16:03.07 | lwithers | blackest_mamba: probably too late, but did you follow the 8.3 to 8.4 upgrade instructions in /usr/share/doc/postgresql-common/README.Debian.gz ? |
| 16:03.08 | blackest_mamba | uoods: update-rc.d postgresql-8.3 remove >/dev/null |
| 16:03.22 | lwithers | you might need to drop the 8.3 cluster, for example? |
| 16:03.23 | uoods | blackest_mamba: 10.59.24 <uoods> blackest_mamba: I see, check /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.3* |
| 16:04.06 | blackest_mamba | lwithers: I did not. I didn't even know it exsisted. |
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| 16:04.15 | blackest_mamba | looking into it now |
| 16:04.26 | joe6 | is there a gnome alternative of qmake? |
| 16:04.28 | lwithers | ok; it does point that out during the upgrade |
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| 16:06.47 | blackest_mamba | Error: could not get cluster default encoding |
| 16:06.58 | blackest_mamba | that's what I get when I try to upgrade it |
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| 16:07.31 | lwithers | do you have data in your 8.3 cluster that you want to keep? |
| 16:07.53 | blackest_mamba | unlikely - this is just a box for testing and playing with FreeSwitch |
| 16:07.56 | lwithers | pg_upgradecluster is basically a wrapper around pg_dump and pg_restore to automate upgrades |
| 16:08.12 | lwithers | then probably just "pg_dropcluster 8.3 main" is what you need |
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| 16:08.30 | blackest_mamba | Error: This cluster is still running. Stop it or supply the --stop option |
| 16:08.39 | lwithers | add --stop … |
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| 16:08.55 | blackest_mamba | heh |
| 16:08.59 | blackest_mamba | same error |
| 16:09.05 | blackest_mamba | hang on |
| 16:09.10 | blackest_mamba | let me pastebin it |
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| 16:09.37 | blackest_mamba | http://pastebin.com/rsnPQd5d |
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| 16:10.44 | blackest_mamba | cockaroaches and my postgres-8.3 install will be the only things left after the nuclear apocalypse. |
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| 16:12.29 | lwithers | what are the contents of /etc/postgresql/8.3/main/pg_ctl.conf ? |
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| 16:13.47 | blackest_mamba | no such file |
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| 16:14.17 | blackest_mamba | environment pg_hba.conf pg_ident.conf postgresql.conf start.conf |
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| 16:14.24 | blackest_mamba | that's all I've got in there |
| 16:14.44 | blackest_mamba | in /etc/postgresql/8.3/main |
| 16:15.47 | blackest_mamba | I don't know how this could be so messed up...this is essentially a totally default install of everything |
| 16:15.47 | lwithers | I think the error message is caused by a missing /usr/lib/postgresql/8.3/bin/pg_ctl |
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| 16:15.48 | [sr] | howdy |
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| 16:15.49 | [sr] | where's the umask setting of apache2 package? |
| 16:15.49 | lwithers | and that belongs to the postgresql-8.3 package |
| 16:16.00 | [sr] | not seeing it on /etc/apache2/envvars |
| 16:16.13 | lwithers | so what I might suggest is that you reinstall the postgresql-8.3 package and then retry the upgrade or drop cluster stuff |
| 16:16.31 | blackest_mamba | I don't think it will let me reinstall 8.3 though |
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| 16:16.38 | lwithers | you can do it manually |
| 16:16.50 | Guest83043 | Hi. How can I allow user to mount iso images? |
| 16:17.12 | lwithers | blackest_mamba: download it from http://packages.debian.org/lenny/postgresql-8.3 and install the file with dpkg --install <file.deb> |
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| 16:18.17 | [sr] | neither envvars or apache2.conf has it |
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| 16:19.13 | alteregoa | i re-added a mdadm device, forgot to plug in the power chord, now mdadm reports a failed device i readded them with mdadm --re-add /dev/md1 /dev/sdg, but i see it only as spare |
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| 16:20.32 | wildc4rd | afternoon |
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| 16:20.56 | blackest_mamba | how can I tell what architecture I'm on |
| 16:21.05 | blackest_mamba | is it dmesg? |
| 16:21.17 | alteregoa | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 16:21.19 | lwithers | blackest_mamba: uname -m |
| 16:21.21 | GhostInTheShell | blackest_mamba: arch |
| 16:22.07 | blackest_mamba | 686 using i386 files correct? |
| 16:22.09 | alteregoa | sdg shows as a spare |
| 16:22.12 | alteregoa | yes |
| 16:22.13 | blackest_mamba | whoa - glad I checked |
| 16:22.18 | blackest_mamba | I have some many different machiens |
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| 16:22.23 | blackest_mamba | I can't keep track any more |
| 16:22.23 | alteregoa | i386 is IA32 or something |
| 16:22.35 | blackest_mamba | almost tried to intsall amd64 |
| 16:22.37 | lwithers | [sr]: I believe umask is optional; you can just add it in /etc/apache2/envvars |
| 16:23.06 | [sr] | hi lwithers, was just reading that on the web, tested and works fine, tks :) |
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| 16:25.10 | blackest_mamba | lwithers: http://pastebin.com/FhYArbNi |
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| 16:26.25 | blackest_mamba | hrm |
| 16:26.31 | blackest_mamba | now package status is iF |
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| 16:26.47 | blackest_mamba | would be nice if the man page would tell about the different package status definitions :( |
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| 16:27.45 | akio | I installed testing before the release on a laptop. |
| 16:28.03 | blackest_mamba | lwithers: think I get it out |
| 16:28.10 | blackest_mamba | finally deleted |
| 16:28.15 | akio | Now the apt keys are out of order. |
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| 16:28.46 | akio | How do I tell it to forget all the keys and go get new ones so that I don't get key warnings when doing package management? |
| 16:28.56 | novoid | I installed Debian unstable on my lenovo X200s notebook and now the internal keyboard does not work. external USB keyboard works. what can I check? |
| 16:29.02 | blackest_mamba | thanks to lwithers and uoods |
| 16:29.16 | uoods | np |
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| 16:29.31 | themill | blackest_mamba: the states are documented btw -- in the header to the output of dpkg -l and also in man dpkg-query |
| 16:30.41 | blackest_mamba | great tip |
| 16:30.42 | blackest_mamba | thanks |
| 16:30.58 | blackest_mamba | so should I have any lenny packages left after upgrading? |
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| 16:31.45 | airola5stelle | hi all |
| 16:32.09 | airola5stelle | im trying to set my wireless in master mode but i get this msg |
| 16:32.14 | airola5stelle | http://pastebin.com/Q2VrtJuG |
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| 16:34.38 | akio | How do you get apt-keys back in order? |
| 16:34.46 | un214 | sort? |
| 16:35.02 | akio | I have tried to sort it. |
| 16:35.09 | akio | It won't be sorted. |
| 16:35.12 | akio | lol |
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| 16:35.26 | akio | Tried by reinstalling debain-archive-keyring but no go. |
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| 16:35.40 | Kottizen | Is it possible to make a .patch-file that adds new files, with content? |
| 16:35.51 | un214 | yes |
| 16:35.58 | un214 | the older version is /dev/null |
| 16:35.59 | lwithers | Kottizen: patch -N is probably what you want |
| 16:36.22 | Kottizen | lwithers: Thank you. |
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| 16:41.18 | blackest_mamba | is there a way to use dpkg to list the packages that require a given package |
| 16:41.30 | blackest_mamba | nothing sticks out in the man page |
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| 16:41.55 | blackest_mamba | info? |
| 16:41.56 | karlpinc | blackest_mamba: apt-cache and aptitude do that. |
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| 16:42.25 | karlpinc | blackest_mamba: (I _think_ aptitude, anyway, apt-cache.) |
| 16:42.36 | blackest_mamba | reading apt-cache man page now |
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| 16:43.21 | blackest_mamba | i guess it's rdepends? |
| 16:44.12 | babilen | hands blackest_mamba a cookie |
| 16:44.17 | blackest_mamba | hrm |
| 16:44.37 | blackest_mamba | yeah, but this looks like a list of all the packages - i just want to know about the ones I have installed |
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| 16:45.12 | babilen | blackest_mamba: Use aptitude then. It has powerful search terms. |
| 16:45.19 | blackest_mamba | eats cookie |
| 16:45.45 | karlpinc | blackest_mamba: You'll find the aptitude docs in their ugly html glory in file:///usr/share/doc/aptitude..... |
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| 16:45.58 | blackest_mamba | ugh |
| 16:46.09 | blackest_mamba | this is why I like my ports system |
| 16:46.46 | blackest_mamba | hrm |
| 16:46.50 | blackest_mamba | --show-summary |
| 16:47.22 | Mr_Queue | Where has Daniel run off to on aptitude? |
| 16:47.36 | Mr_Queue | Maybe he's in jail. :) |
| 16:47.37 | blackest_mamba | that's it |
| 16:47.40 | blackest_mamba | thanks to all |
| 16:47.44 | babilen | What is so bad about the search term reference? |
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| 16:48.15 | blackest_mamba | if anyone is curious: aptitude -v --show-summary why foomatic-db |
| 16:49.53 | karlpinc | babilen: Well, it's sucks that it's not in the man page. (At least on lenny.) |
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| 17:00.26 | robert00 | does anybody know if squeeze's mail server along with evolution should use "mail" under evolutions imap? |
| 17:01.11 | babilen | what? |
| 17:01.34 | PerfDave | robert00: For starters, what do you mean by "squeeze's mail server" :) |
| 17:01.59 | robert00 | i installed a mail server during squeeze's setup, i wondered if i should type in "mail" under evolution's imap option |
| 17:02.07 | PerfDave | Which mail server did you install? |
| 17:02.08 | Krunk | Hi. does anyone have the link for the repositories - couldn't find it on debian.org. |
| 17:02.14 | novoid | I installed Debian unstable on my lenovo X200s notebook and now the internal keyboard does not work. external USB keyboard works. what can I check? |
| 17:02.28 | robert00 | PerfDave, not sure, the defualt i guess |
| 17:02.52 | PerfDave | robert00: There isn't really a "default mail server". You may well have installed Exim, which is an SMTP server, not an IMAP server. |
| 17:03.06 | babilen | PerfDave: there is, it is exim4 |
| 17:03.21 | robert00 | PerfDave, thanks |
| 17:03.30 | babilen | robert00: What are you trying to do? |
| 17:03.32 | PerfDave | babilen: It's not installed by default though, it's just the default choice of MTA :) |
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| 17:03.50 | robert00 | configuring evoultion to use the default mail server in squeeze |
| 17:03.57 | babilen | PerfDave: It is in most (if not almost all) setups. (cron pulls it in) |
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| 17:04.35 | robert00 | PerfDave, what should i fill in under smtp? |
| 17:04.37 | babilen | robert00: Why would you want to do that? What do you want to use your own MTA (mail transer agent / mail server) for? |
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| 17:05.38 | robert00 | i want to receive email in evolution |
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| 17:06.08 | babilen | robert00: You typically use your ISPs / email providers SMTP server. You could configure exim4 as smarthost, but that does not buy you much. |
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| 17:06.40 | babilen | robert00: Just setup whatever server is used by your ISP or freemail provider. What are you using? |
| 17:06.53 | robert00 | debian 6.0 |
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| 17:07.20 | babilen | robert00: Ok, thanks. But I meant: Where do you have an email address? |
| 17:07.53 | robert00 | babilen, i use dyndns and i want to receive email in evolution |
| 17:08.25 | babilen | robert00: From where do you want to receive mail? |
| 17:08.41 | robert00 | from anyone on the internet |
| 17:08.51 | robert00 | anywhere on the net |
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| 17:09.40 | robert00 | does anyone think that the debian survival guide will have what i might be looking for? |
| 17:10.24 | babilen | robert00: Ah! Ok, in that case you would indeed use "localhost" as SMTP server and configure exim as "internet site" (or something like that) ... You also have to make sure that your MX is configured correctly and that you don't end up on any blacklist. |
| 17:11.10 | robert00 | babilen, thank you |
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| 17:17.48 | ttiicc | Im gonna install debian with either gnome, LXDE or xcfe. Does anyone in here know if on of these desktop environments are more stable then the other and if I should stay away from any of them? |
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| 17:19.18 | jelly-home | ttiicc: if they were deemed unusable they would probably not be part of a debian release |
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| 17:19.49 | ttiicc | okej so they are more or less the same stable all of them |
| 17:20.02 | ttiicc | which one do you use? |
| 17:20.15 | jhutchins | ttiicc: Debian stable is possibly the most stable distribution of linux available. If you install any of the environments you list you should be fine. |
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| 17:20.47 | jhutchins | ttiicc: Bleding edge things like compiz and kde4 are still just a touch on the unstable side, but any standard installation should be very reliable. |
| 17:21.55 | Eyes|Infinite | Hm |
| 17:21.59 | ttiicc | thanks for the information, Im just gonna use a desktop environment which is stable that all. Will probably goo for either gnome of LXDE |
| 17:22.10 | jhutchins | ttiicc: They are all stable, mature environments. Gnome would have the most features and the most integrated software, not sure how the other two would compare with each other. |
| 17:22.25 | Eyes|Infinite | Is there a server edition of Debian? I'm thinking of putting it on a server in 4 months times |
| 17:22.57 | PerfDave | Eyes|Infinite: Not specifically, Debian's just awesome for everything ;) |
| 17:23.01 | ttiicc | Eyes: debian is mostly used as a server |
| 17:23.15 | Eyes|Infinite | Ah |
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| 17:23.51 | jhutchins | Eyes|Infinite: It's just a question of what packages you choose. Other Distros' "server editions" have pre-programmed choices. |
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| 17:29.56 | _abc_ | Hello. #knoppix is empty. Does anyone know if knoppix 6.4.4 has a functional C compiler installed in the CDROM version? It seems pretty hard to find this info. Thanks? |
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| 17:32.05 | jelly-home | !knoppix |
| 17:32.05 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems. |
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| 17:33.01 | jelly-home | _abc_: if their channel is not resposive, idle on it for a couple hours or days or consider a different support venue (mailing list or forum) |
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| 17:34.05 | babilen | _abc_: Or just have a look ;) |
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| 17:35.00 | Eyes|Infinite | Can iPlayer run on Debian? |
| 17:35.36 | MrFrood | bbc iplayer? |
| 17:35.40 | Eyes|Infinite | Ya |
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| 17:36.05 | MrFrood | web site yes (uses flash) |
| 17:36.10 | Eyes|Infinite | YAY |
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| 17:36.20 | Eyes|Infinite | Whats the flash package? |
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| 17:36.52 | lamah | how can i disable sound console beep? |
| 17:36.53 | MrFrood | the downloader use adobe air which is available for linux but I've not tried it |
| 17:37.12 | MrFrood | lamah: almixer |
| 17:37.29 | lamah | MrFrood: alsamixer? |
| 17:37.40 | MrFrood | lamah: yes |
| 17:37.49 | jelly-home | !beep |
| 17:37.49 | dpkg | [beep] echo -ne 'a', or aptitude install beep, or ask me about <bell>, <qotd89>. For the audio player, ask me about <bmp>. For the protocol framework, see http://beepcore.org/ |
| 17:37.51 | lamah | which section? |
| 17:38.05 | MrFrood | alteregoa: should be an entry for pc speaker |
| 17:38.20 | jelly-home | lamah: /msg dpkg bell |
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| 17:39.52 | themill | Eyes|Infinite: watching or downloading (with get_iplayer) from the website works just fine (/msg dpkg adobe flash). I've heard of people having trouble with the standalone player that uses adobe air. |
| 17:40.54 | MrFrood | Eyes|Infinite: lash is in non-free, enable non-free in your sources list and run the command 'aptitude search flash' |
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| 17:41.21 | lamah | jelly-home: 10x |
| 17:41.45 | home-alone | what is sid btw |
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| 17:42.55 | MrFrood | !sid |
| 17:42.55 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
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| 17:44.39 | home-alone | seems strange but I must not forget Linux guyz are geek |
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| 17:48.57 | Eyes|Infinite | How do I make it so the system DOESN'T autolock |
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| 17:50.25 | phogg | home-alone: also remember that Bruce Perens worked for Pixar |
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| 17:55.31 | MarceloVaz | hello, anyone know please tell me the maximum amount of characters allowed in a file name in ftp? |
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| 17:57.20 | frox | hello, i have a serious problem with my sound in debian 6 @ amd64. ich realy can't tell whats the problem. everything seams to be right but i can't hear anything :-( |
| 17:57.53 | jordanm | MarceloVaz: I would expect the limitation to be of the filesystem, not FTP |
| 17:58.35 | jordanm | MarceloVaz: 255 characters for ext2/3/4 |
| 17:58.41 | ttiicc | Im gonna run debian as an music server. which package do you recommend ices or mpd? or any other package? |
| 17:58.43 | MarceloVaz | jordanm hmmm suspect the system, if it is a microsoft ftp server .. |
| 17:59.02 | jordanm | MarceloVaz: NTFS is limited to 255 characters for *absolute path* |
| 17:59.23 | jordanm | MarceloVaz: so if you have serval nested directories, you can easily hit that limitation |
| 17:59.43 | jordanm | MarceloVaz: IIRC there is a work-around, but its not pretty. see #windows |
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| 17:59.57 | MarceloVaz | jordanm ok, thanks |
| 18:00.16 | jordanm | now wonders what MarceloVaz's question had to do with debian... |
| 18:00.30 | MarceloVaz | I doubt it was just that, and you just help me |
| 18:00.32 | MarceloVaz | =) |
| 18:01.01 | jordanm | regretfully |
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| 18:02.40 | MarceloVaz | I'm using an application data synchronization, data from several servers debian, ftp windows for a centralized, end up sorry for help here, believed to be a limitation in the protocol, and the staff here just know it =) |
| 18:03.20 | jordanm | MarceloVaz: there is also ##networking |
| 18:03.28 | jordanm | !ftpmustdie |
| 18:03.28 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
| 18:04.09 | phogg | But what about anonymous upload of files? |
| 18:04.26 | MrFrood | gopher is much nicer than FTP |
| 18:04.54 | jordanm | phogg: when is anonymous upload of files ever a good idea? |
| 18:05.25 | pipeline | ttiicc: MPD and icecast do completely opposite things |
| 18:05.35 | pipeline | ttiicc: mpd plays music through the server's sound card |
| 18:05.46 | pipeline | ttiicc: ices and friends serve content to remote clients, and it plays through the client's sound card |
| 18:05.53 | pipeline | ttiicc: there are lots of options in this area -- what are you trying to do ? |
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| 18:09.18 | Jaja | on debian squeeze i try to set Quota system, but I got it: quota: Cannot stat() mounted device /dev/root: No such file or directory, don't know why he try to use /dev/root, I dont have it in /etc/fstab and my main partision is : /dev/xvda |
| 18:09.22 | Jaja | any idea? |
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| 18:14.17 | thatandroidguy | im getting a : SIOCSIFFLAGS: Unknown error 132 |
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| 18:14.31 | thatandroidguy | everytime i try to ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 18:14.44 | thatandroidguy | any thoughts? |
| 18:14.45 | jordanm | dmesg |
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| 18:14.56 | hosler | i have the option of installing debian 64 or 32 bit for a server. i have 64 bit processor. is there any reason not to use 64 bit for server? |
| 18:15.09 | hosler | ah nm |
| 18:15.13 | hosler | just gonna do 32 bit |
| 18:15.14 | thatandroidguy | jordanm: what am i looking for in the dmesg? |
| 18:15.14 | jordanm | hosler: not unless you plan to run some proprietary application |
| 18:15.26 | hosler | ok |
| 18:15.28 | jordanm | thatandroidguy: errors related to your interface |
| 18:15.32 | thatandroidguy | ok |
| 18:16.40 | thatandroidguy | jordanm: im not really seeing anything that would be a problem in dmesg |
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| 18:17.01 | jordanm | thatandroidguy: pastebin it |
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| 18:17.31 | jordanm | thatandroidguy: also, what is the pciid of the wifi device? lspci -nn what version of debian? |
| 18:17.34 | bodai | hi there.need some advice.got a server and a domain name.how may I setup it? |
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| 18:17.56 | jordanm | bodai: that questions is extremely vague and lacks a goal |
| 18:18.08 | thatandroidguy | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/KcctdzCJ |
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| 18:18.51 | thatandroidguy | 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) [168c:002b] (rev 01) |
| 18:18.53 | bodai | well,before used dyndns.now got a fix ip with own domain name |
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| 18:18.59 | thatandroidguy | and im running debian squeeze |
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| 18:19.17 | jordanm | thatandroidguy: well, you don't even appear to have a wlan0 device, but that should work fine without firmware or anything |
| 18:19.24 | jordanm | ,pciid 168c:002b |
| 18:19.26 | judd | [168c:002b] is 'AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath9k' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:002b http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 18:19.52 | thatandroidguy | i modprobed it. |
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| 18:20.01 | thatandroidguy | and that stuff. and it still doesnt work |
| 18:20.31 | bodai | is it any daemon to use a domain name like dyndns? |
| 18:20.40 | jordanm | thatandroidguy: does wlan0 even show in ifconfig -a? |
| 18:20.52 | thatandroidguy | yeah |
| 18:20.57 | jordanm | ,info dyndns |
| 18:21.00 | judd | Package dyndns (web, optional) in squeeze/i386: dynamic DNS (DDNS) update client implemented in Perl. Version: 2010.0301+gitdd160bd-1; Size: 73.8k; Installed: 296k; Homepage: http://freshmeat.net/projects/perl-dyndns |
| 18:21.11 | daryl_ | i need help. i have debian lenny and all of a sudden my web browsers won't browse but i am able to ping websites. |
| 18:21.30 | jordanm | thatandroidguy: sounds like a bug, or a hardware problem |
| 18:21.48 | thatandroidguy | wonderful. worked in my last install of squeeze |
| 18:22.12 | thatandroidguy | i did a fresh install last night and have problems ever since. that and ive had sound problems |
| 18:22.37 | thatandroidguy | the sound problems i havent been able to fix since i got this thing a week ago |
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| 18:24.08 | thatandroidguy | ok jordanm thanks for the help hopefully i can find a way to get this working |
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| 18:31.25 | qwertyuiop | Does anybody know how to convert man pages to PDFs or HTML? |
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| 18:32.10 | Strife89 | looks for a suitable PDF tool |
| 18:32.54 | pipeline | qwertyuiop: http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20051020122911920 |
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| 18:34.09 | jhutchins | Gah. All he needs to do is google the error message. |
| 18:34.13 | machtfuernacht | Hi, is there something wrong with the NFS Client in squeeze? All shares have uid nobody and gid nogroup instead of the correct values. |
| 18:34.26 | qwertyuiop | pipeline: thanks! |
| 18:35.10 | pipeline | machtfuernacht: NFS doesn't sync user/group data |
| 18:35.16 | pipeline | machtfuernacht: only the literal uid/gid numbers are carried across |
| 18:35.24 | Strife89 | man groff > ~/Documents/groff-basic-manual.txt |
| 18:35.29 | Strife89 | Gah |
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| 18:35.44 | machtfuernacht | Yes but the uid number on the server is 33 and on the client it's 4294967294 |
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| 18:35.54 | pipeline | machtfuernacht: what OS is the server running ? |
| 18:36.01 | phsi | How to I pin packages that belong to "nothing" - I don't want same-version packages be superseded by offocial repo builds |
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| 18:36.37 | machtfuernacht | pipeline Squeeze with custom 2.6.34 Xen Kernel |
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| 18:37.27 | phorce1 | <grumble> lenny-backports key changed nad updating debian-keyring doesn't seem to fix it |
| 18:37.48 | phorce1 | !bdo key |
| 18:37.48 | dpkg | As backports.debian.org is an official service, installing the debian-backports-keyring package is no longer necessary. Debian Backports release files are signed with the official ftpmaster key. |
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| 18:38.29 | pipeline | machtfuernacht: that's very, very fucked up. Let me think about this. |
| 18:38.38 | pipeline | machtfuernacht: oh yeah -- what are your mount options ? |
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| 18:39.14 | machtfuernacht | pipeline nfs rw,exec,auto |
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| 18:39.29 | Tr0n | hi all my felas... |
| 18:39.47 | Tr0n | Does anybody know if "iwlist" performs ACTIVE or PASSIVE scanning???? |
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| 18:39.58 | mac0r | hi |
| 18:40.34 | bodai | well,is it any daemon for a server to run a domain name? |
| 18:41.09 | mac0r | i am upgrading from lenny to squeeze on a remote server, now im running "upgrade-from-grub-legacy" and grub asks me where to install to bootloader |
| 18:41.23 | mac0r | the server runs a software raid (md0, md1) |
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| 18:41.44 | mac0r | should i install the bootloader on the /boot md device or on /dev/sda? |
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| 18:43.49 | machtfuernacht | pipeline any ide? |
| 18:43.51 | machtfuernacht | idea |
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| 18:44.59 | mac0r | here is a screenshot: http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2116/auswahl016.png |
| 18:45.15 | pipeline | machtfuernacht: is rpcidmapd running ? |
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| 18:45.29 | machtfuernacht | No |
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| 18:46.02 | machtfuernacht | But it should use NFSv3. |
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| 18:47.00 | pipeline | machtfuernacht: you don't have vers=3 in your options, so it's not gonna use v3 |
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| 18:48.04 | machtfuernacht | Ah perfect thx pipeline |
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| 18:48.25 | pipeline | machtfuernacht: you probably want to add "intr" to that, too |
| 18:48.32 | Ryan_Lane | I'd like to download the entire source package for this: http://packages.debian.org/source/experimental/func |
| 18:48.41 | Ryan_Lane | how can I get it without using debian? |
| 18:48.42 | pipeline | machtfuernacht: also rsize=8192,wsize=8192 often improve performance, unless you're doing tons of tiny reads/writes |
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| 18:49.05 | Ryan_Lane | (specifically, I'd like the debian directory, so I can rebuild it for ubuntu) |
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| 18:49.55 | mac0r | ryan: you could download the original source https://fedorahosted.org/func/ |
| 18:49.59 | pipeline | Ryan_Lane: configure pinning correctly to favor ubuntu sources, then add the relevant debian "deb" and "deb-src" lines to your sources.list |
| 18:50.09 | pipeline | Ryan_Lane: then proceed as normal -- apt-get source, edit control files etc |
| 18:50.10 | krsna | how to set the formatter for manpages? I have set troff in /etc/manpath.config and done "man -C /etc/manpath.config COMMAND" but it does not work... I want to set troff instead of groff |
| 18:50.21 | Ryan_Lane | I can pull the debian version using that? ah. cool. that's helpful |
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| 18:50.41 | Ryan_Lane | mac0r: I'm not looking for the source, I'm looking for the control files ;) |
| 18:51.26 | pipeline | Ryan_Lane: make sure you set up pinning on origin first -- a mixed debian/ubuntu system is gonna be a world of hurt. |
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| 18:51.44 | Ryan_Lane | I'm just going to enable to source repo, download it, and remove the source repo |
| 18:51.53 | pipeline | Ryan_Lane: all-in-all, if you care about up to date software, it's probably better to just install debian |
| 18:52.03 | mac0r | ;) |
| 18:52.08 | Ryan_Lane | I'm just going to maintain the package myself |
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| 18:52.33 | pipeline | Ryan_Lane: heh having debian unstable with a few experimental components would probably save you a lot of heartache relevant to dealing with your own package maintenance on ubuntu |
| 18:52.36 | pipeline | Ryan_Lane: but it's your time, not mine :P |
| 18:52.48 | Ryan_Lane | we maintain a number of packages ourself already, I think we can handle it: http://apt.wikimedia.org/wikimedia |
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| 18:53.50 | jhutchins | Ryan_Lane: I think the .dsc file on the package page is the source. |
| 18:54.23 | phsi | How do I pin local packages properly? For example, when I built stuff with apt-source apt-get upgrade wants to replace them with official builds. |
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| 18:54.32 | Ryan_Lane | jhutchins: nope. it just describes a little about the package |
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| 18:55.06 | phsi | I don't want to increment version numbers |
| 18:55.14 | Ryan_Lane | though the diff does contain the debian directory |
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| 18:55.48 | jhutchins | Ryan_Lane: I'm afraid I don't understand the mirrors or the paths to the source files. They're handled by databases these days instead of just flat file directories. |
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| 18:56.14 | jhutchins | phsi: Append the version numbers. |
| 18:56.15 | Ryan_Lane | looks like I can download the individual files and use dpkg-source |
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| 18:56.23 | jhutchins | !pinning |
| 18:56.23 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 18:56.30 | phsi | jhutchins: I don't want to change anything, i want to be lazy. |
| 18:56.37 | heinzes | I want to set the mysql admin password for freshly installed mysql on squeeze. dpkg-reconfigure does not work; trying to set the password using mysql SET command does not work, no user admin or root. Do I have to do something after install before I can use mysql? |
| 18:56.39 | phsi | jhutchins: I just need local packages to have priority of xyz |
| 18:56.46 | jhutchins | phsi: So you want to know how to do something without doing anything. |
| 18:56.53 | jhutchins | phsi: Can't help with that. |
| 18:56.57 | pipeline | phsi: can't be done |
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| 18:57.08 | pipeline | phsi: you have to pin based on some property |
| 18:57.14 | phsi | pipeline: Thanks, that's what I wanted to know. |
| 18:57.21 | pipeline | phsi: the easiest way is to pin either on release "a=" or pin on origin "o=" |
| 18:57.26 | pipeline | phsi: or you can pin individual packages by package name |
| 18:57.35 | pipeline | phsi: but you can't just say "pin all local packages" unless they hvae a shared origin or shared release |
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| 18:58.09 | pipeline | phsi: the obvious solution is to set an origin property on all the local packages you create, so that it is trivial to set up an origin pin and a single apt repository :) |
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| 19:00.30 | pipeline | Ryan_Lane: you poor bastards, trying to use ubuntu as a stable server platform. Come into the light, folk.s |
| 19:00.56 | mac0r | pipeline: why not? |
| 19:00.59 | dvs | blasphemy! |
| 19:01.26 | engla | hi, any known dangers in updating my old laptop to wheezy? |
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| 19:01.48 | dvs | engla: read the release notes |
| 19:02.04 | engla | dvs: for debian testing/wheezy? |
| 19:02.13 | dvs | oh wheezy |
| 19:02.16 | dvs | sorry |
| 19:02.39 | jhutchins | dvs: Of course there are. It's a brand-new testing. |
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| 19:02.45 | Ryan_Lane | pipeline: if debian released a stable more often, we'd probably use it |
| 19:02.58 | jhutchins | dvs: That's why you test it, to see what the dangers are so they can be fixed. |
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| 19:03.17 | Ryan_Lane | pipeline: ubuntu LTS is useful. a 2 year release cycle is just about perfect |
| 19:03.36 | dvs | jhutchins: That's really for engla |
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| 19:03.44 | pipeline | Ryan_Lane: except that you find yourself in your present situation any time you need something from universe/multiverse, because canonical can't support the whole package tree :P |
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| 19:03.50 | Ryan_Lane | I also very much dislike debian's backporting policy in stable. |
| 19:03.50 | jhutchins | dvs: Right, sorry. |
| 19:04.00 | engla | jhutchins: ah ok, but any *known* dangers? |
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| 19:04.01 | pipeline | Ryan_Lane: the fact that you're here, right now, talking to me, is the evidence for why you should be on the mainstream debian in the first place :) |
| 19:04.06 | Ryan_Lane | pipeline: hah. it appears ubuntu won't accept func because it also isn't in debian right now :) |
| 19:04.16 | Ryan_Lane | it's in experimental |
| 19:04.18 | jhutchins | engla: I'm sure there are some that are known already, including that it's not stable yet. |
| 19:04.31 | pipeline | Ryan_Lane: yes, but if you were on debian, you would have no trouble drawing in the experimental package :) |
| 19:04.32 | jhutchins | engla: That is the whole point of testing. |
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| 19:04.47 | engla | jhutchins: your way of answering this makes the question pointless. I've used testing all the way except now it's declared stable |
| 19:04.50 | pipeline | engla: testing should, in theory, be basically release-ready at any time. But sometimes it's not. |
| 19:05.08 | Ryan_Lane | and we'd either be stuck using unstable, or we'd have packages that are a million years old |
| 19:05.10 | jhutchins | engla: If you're interested in helping to test it, but need a working computer, install it as a boot option. |
| 19:05.36 | pipeline | Ryan_Lane: "stuck" using unstable and getting prompt security updates instead of waiting on some hobbyist to upload a patch to universe. A terrible fate :) |
| 19:05.41 | engla | heh thanks everyone for introducing me to debian, but I've already used it for a long time. |
| 19:06.08 | pipeline | engla: if you're worried enough to ask us then maybe testing wasn't a great plan :P |
| 19:06.12 | Ryan_Lane | pipeline: don't get me wrong. I love debian, and debian does like 95% of the work for ubuntu, but there's a nicety in having a consistent stable release cycle |
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| 19:06.20 | pipeline | engla: I've run unstable on my work laptop for many years. Catastrophic breakage is pretty rare. |
| 19:06.27 | Ryan_Lane | this is the same reason we don't use centos or fedora |
| 19:06.30 | dvs | will upgrade to wheezy on his laptop once they get a recent kernel package. |
| 19:06.37 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Ryan_Lane about experimental |
| 19:06.39 | pipeline | Ryan_Lane: that would be great if canonical could support the entire package tree, but they don't. CentOS and Debian do. |
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| 19:06.53 | pipeline | Ryan_Lane: it's one of those things that sounds better in theory than it works in practice :\ |
| 19:06.57 | jelly-home | pipeline, Ryan_Lane: please take this to #debian-offtopic |
| 19:07.00 | engla | pipeline: my question was clear, I was asking for known problems (known to people here) |
| 19:07.07 | Kre10s | hello. I'm having a problem with my apache server eating up lots of memory. |
| 19:07.13 | bodai | well,there is a static ip addres.if I assign this static address to server name I can see the page loading.but if I use the domain name nothing happens.what can I do? |
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| 19:07.26 | pipeline | Kre10s: Are you swapping ? |
| 19:07.27 | Ryan_Lane | jelly-home: I'll just stop talking about it, I wasn't the one who brought it up anyway :) |
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| 19:07.39 | Kre10s | pipeline: right on the money. |
| 19:07.42 | jelly-home | Ryan_Lane: func packaging in particular was rather sketchy just a year ago and doesn't seem to have progressed |
| 19:07.49 | Ryan_Lane | nods |
| 19:07.51 | pipeline | Kre10s: that's not an answer; are you swapping ? |
| 19:07.55 | Ryan_Lane | maybe I'll fix it up some |
| 19:08.04 | Kre10s | a few requests an im looking at 4k of free swap. |
| 19:08.12 | Kre10s | not funny |
| 19:08.16 | Ryan_Lane | jelly-home: any pointers to what problems existed in it? |
| 19:08.16 | pipeline | Kre10s: holy crap |
| 19:08.25 | pipeline | Kre10s: ps -ef | grep httpd | wc |
| 19:08.43 | jhutchins | engla: http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?base=only&rc=1 |
| 19:08.48 | Kre10s | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.51 | jhutchins | engla: Don't know if there's an errata page yet. |
| 19:09.03 | Ryan_Lane | I'd like to use func, but would much prefer to debian or ubuntu to manage the package, if possible :) |
| 19:09.18 | Ryan_Lane | so if I can fix it to a point someone else could take it over, I'd be happy |
| 19:09.26 | Kre10s | root 2138 2002 0 19:08 pts/0 00:00:00 grep httpd |
| 19:09.27 | krsna | how to make a package made with checkinstall overwrite parts of another package? |
| 19:09.30 | jelly-home | Ryan_Lane: what didn't? It had basic setup and unix permission issues -- not completed at all |
| 19:09.35 | Kre10s | theres only one httpd daemin... |
| 19:10.16 | pipeline | Kre10s: that doesn't make very much sense... a single http daemon should not be consuming all of your memory. Have you actually looked at what's using RAM on the system ? |
| 19:10.20 | Ryan_Lane | what else would it need? init script needs fixing? |
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| 19:10.37 | engla | jhutchins: thanks a lot |
| 19:11.01 | jelly-home | Ryan_Lane: didn't look at it further after filing an obvious bug report |
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| 19:11.28 | krsna | how to set the formatter for manpages? I have set troff in /etc/manpath.config and done "man -C /etc/manpath.config COMMAND" but it does not work... I want to set troff as the formatter instead of groff |
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| 19:12.09 | Kre10s | pipeline: yes. top shows 8 apache2 threads using ~70% mem. |
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| 19:12.48 | pipeline | Kre10s: I can't wrap my head around this ... can you pastebin free -m output |
| 19:13.02 | jelly-home | Ryan_Lane: I see it's still there, http://bugs.debian.org/544729 |
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| 19:13.14 | pipeline | Kre10s: also, if possible, pidstat -r output |
| 19:13.47 | Kre10s | http://pastebin.me/898b2a3003ee027817b706fe38f9eadc |
| 19:14.10 | Kre10s | note that I have restarted apache, and it hasn't eaten all the mem yet. |
| 19:14.20 | Ryan_Lane | jelly-home: great. thanks |
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| 19:14.30 | badzo | hi |
| 19:14.40 | pipeline | Kre10s: I see your problem now -- you have 256M of RAM. haha |
| 19:14.57 | pipeline | Kre10s: I mean, you may actually have a catastrophic memory leak, but I don't know enough about your application to assert that |
| 19:15.24 | badzo | i cant change default browser to iceweasel in gnome:( i tried to change that in preferences as well as using update-alternatives --config x-www-browser. what can I do? |
| 19:15.43 | badzo | i mean it says that the default browser has changed, but i still get my links opened by opera |
| 19:15.54 | Ryan_Lane | this should be easy enough to fix. so basically I just need to make sure that it installs properly, has proper file permissions, works as intended, and deals with shared libraries correctly (via dependencies)? |
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| 19:16.05 | Kre10s | 256M is a little shmall.. but im only serving like 2 pages. |
| 19:16.09 | pipeline | Kre10s: in general, 256M is too little to do very much without occasionally hitting swap. For example, ootb every PHP instance is gonna knock out another 8M per request :P |
| 19:16.13 | pipeline | Kre10s: what are the pages ? |
| 19:16.34 | Kre10s | err pages/sites. |
| 19:16.36 | pipeline | Kre10s: serving static content, 256M should be more than ample for a fairly large number fo threads |
| 19:16.46 | Kre10s | Drupal installations. |
| 19:17.13 | pipeline | Kre10s: yeah you're boned -- 256M is only going to cover a handful of simultaneous clients, because you just can't serve many requests in 256M. |
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| 19:17.36 | denis_ | Hi, I'm french I have a problem with Iceweasel at level of scrolling of several page |
| 19:17.41 | pipeline | Kre10s: it's possible that something you're doing inside drupal is allocating an insane amount of memory per request... you can force that to die/crash/burn instead of forcing the server to its knees by setting memory_limit in php.ini |
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| 19:18.07 | pipeline | Kre10s: I would implement a php memory_limit *and* sharply limit my total number of threads/clients to 16 or so |
| 19:18.25 | pipeline | Kre10s: in my opinion, it's better to handle some of your requests in a timely manner than to go into swap and start timing out :) |
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| 19:19.33 | pipeline | Kre10s: let's be honest with ourselves -- just to run the kernel, basic system services, disk cache, and apache, you're gonna want 64M-128M. That doesn't leave you very much space for PHP instances and your DB backend to share. |
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| 19:21.39 | pipeline | Kre10s: alternatively, you could just let the sucker swap. I once had a mediawiki instance running inside a 128M VM. It thrashed swap constantly, but it could handle 3-4 concurrent users before the swapping induced HTTP timeouts :P |
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| 19:26.03 | tonytraductor | I' ve been playing around with other OSes (not that I'll ever give up debian as my main OS). |
| 19:27.12 | tonytraductor | I have a spare machine, and I've successfully run HaikuOS (BeOS fork) on it. I tried Syllabe (AmigaOS fork) but it wouldn't boot. I tried Storm OS (OpenSOlaris>Nexenta, but with XFCE) and that wouldn't boot. |
| 19:27.57 | tonytraductor | I have an OpenSolaris disk in hand...also thinking about some *BSD. Not sure Debian kfreebsd is the best choice, however, and since you fellers is smart, I thought I'd ask for recommendations in the *BSD world |
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| 19:28.32 | t3sting | nick t3st |
| 19:28.44 | jelly-home | tonytraductor: uh... try a bsd channel? |
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| 19:30.24 | Galaxyqweb | can you do a netinstall over wifi? |
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| 19:31.21 | dvs | Galaxyqweb: only with no security or WEP |
| 19:31.42 | dvs | and with a supported wifi card |
| 19:32.14 | Galaxyqweb | dvs: WPA |
| 19:32.35 | dvs | nope |
| 19:32.43 | Galaxyqweb | dvs: ... why not... |
| 19:32.58 | cahoot | disaböing wpa temporarily isn't an option? |
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| 19:33.16 | badzo | i cant set my default browser to iceweasel. gnome says the default browser is actually iceweasel, but it keeps opening links in opera. |
| 19:33.21 | badzo | i tried changing options in 'preferences' and changing it using " update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" command |
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| 19:34.04 | dvs | Galaxyqweb: the powers that be decided not to implement it in the installer. |
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| 19:35.09 | Galaxyqweb | that is just stupied |
| 19:35.18 | dvs | agees |
| 19:35.28 | dvs | agrees |
| 19:35.49 | Galaxyqweb | who can I contact to get this fixed? |
| 19:35.59 | dvs | file a bug |
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| 19:36.58 | Galaxyqweb | is the dvd the same as the net install but get does not require internet... |
| 19:36.58 | tonytraductor | yeah, but if I try a BSD channel whichever one I'm in is going to say THEIRS is the best. i was looking for an unbiased, objective opinion |
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| 19:37.08 | jelly-home | Galaxyqweb: it's not likely to be fixed in the current release |
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| 19:37.32 | tonytraductor | I think I'll just try the deb kfreebsd, since I already LOVE Debian |
| 19:37.33 | Galaxyqweb | jelly-home: I juts have to wait 2 years.. -_- |
| 19:37.42 | Galaxyqweb | jelly-home: just* |
| 19:37.43 | dvs | Galaxyqweb: the netinstlal doesn't require the internet either, but you just get a minimal system. |
| 19:37.46 | tonytraductor | I might play with gnu/hurd, too...why not? |
| 19:37.48 | simonrvn | tonytraductor: the best - you decide for yourself. try them all, or the ones that appeal to you. |
| 19:37.57 | Galaxyqweb | dvs: OH |
| 19:38.05 | dvs | very minimal |
| 19:38.14 | Galaxyqweb | dvs: what is in the minimal... |
| 19:38.42 | Galaxyqweb | dvs: Is it gui or do I have to install it later? |
| 19:38.49 | dvs | Galaxyqweb: no gui |
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| 19:39.29 | Galaxyqweb | I will run the minimal install in a vm |
| 19:39.52 | PerfDave | tends to torrent full CD1 and install from that |
| 19:40.10 | syn4pse- | you can also choose to install a desktop with the netinstaller |
| 19:40.17 | dvs | tends to put the first DVD on a USB flash drive and install from that |
| 19:40.31 | dvs | syn4pse-: that would mean a network connectioni |
| 19:40.46 | simonrvn | notices it's snowing again |
| 19:40.54 | Galaxyqweb | I just don't get why they would leave WPA out, WEP sucks... |
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| 19:40.57 | syn4pse- | okey then i did not read up enough hehe |
| 19:41.19 | dvs | Galaxyqweb: and their WiFi wiki doesn't recommend WEP either. |
| 19:41.35 | jelly-home | Galaxyqweb: the safest thing is to use wired, ethernet connection |
| 19:42.03 | Galaxyqweb | jelly-home: I know. |
| 19:42.24 | Galaxyqweb | I still want the choice to use wpa |
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| 19:42.49 | cahoot | disabling wpa temporarily (during install) isn't an option? |
| 19:42.59 | jelly-home | Galaxyqweb: file a bug against debian-installer |
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| 19:43.42 | Mr_Love | help |
| 19:43.43 | Mr_Love | me |
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| 19:43.56 | Galaxyqweb | jelly-home: what is URL for the bug website |
| 19:44.14 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 19:44.14 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 19:44.49 | PerfDave | Mr_Love: Why don't you tell us what your Debian related problem is :) |
| 19:45.05 | Mr_Love | pwt |
| 19:45.07 | Mr_Love | pls |
| 19:45.21 | Galaxyqweb | what is the name of the net installer |
| 19:45.45 | simonrvn | jelly-home mentioned it, 'debian-installer' |
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| 19:45.59 | syn4pse- | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 19:46.26 | Mr_Love | see |
| 19:46.30 | Mr_Love | i have problem |
| 19:46.31 | Mr_Love | in |
| 19:46.33 | Mr_Love | install |
| 19:46.40 | Mr_Love | typ ./configure |
| 19:46.46 | Mr_Love | eroor |
| 19:46.47 | Mr_Love | #bot |
| 19:46.50 | Mr_Love | bom |
| 19:46.51 | PerfDave | Mr_Love: What are you trying to install? |
| 19:46.57 | Mr_Love | checking non-blocking sockets style... O_NONBLOCK |
| 19:46.57 | Mr_Love | checking for in_addr_t... (cached) yes |
| 19:46.57 | Mr_Love | checking if "localhost" resolves... no |
| 19:46.57 | Mr_Love | configure: error: can't figure out gethostbyname_r() since localhost doesn't resolve |
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| 19:47.07 | simonrvn | !paste |
| 19:47.07 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 19:47.11 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 19:47.11 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:47.18 | jelly-home | !enter |
| 19:47.18 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 19:47.34 | syn4pse- | haha massive failure on his end :D |
| 19:47.50 | Mr_Love | my enlglish is bad |
| 19:48.16 | TrueDD | where are you from Mr_Love ? |
| 19:48.18 | Mr_Love | my version is Linux debian 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
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| 19:48.22 | Mr_Love | macedonia |
| 19:48.29 | linuxxx | hello |
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| 19:48.38 | linuxxx | i installed fluxbox how i start it? |
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| 19:48.54 | MaDSeN | start x ? |
| 19:49.03 | TrueDD | startx* |
| 19:49.11 | MaDSeN | :-D |
| 19:49.14 | TrueDD | :) |
| 19:49.16 | linuxxx | okk |
| 19:49.17 | MaDSeN | y u hate |
| 19:49.17 | MaDSeN | :D |
| 19:49.30 | linuxxx | but i have no menus |
| 19:49.33 | TrueDD | I don't |
| 19:49.36 | MaDSeN | hehe |
| 19:49.39 | linuxxx | is possible to install menu like gnome? |
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| 19:49.47 | Mr_Love | for my |
| 19:49.47 | simonrvn | install 'menu' package |
| 19:49.55 | gnugr | anyone how to get Prism on squeeze |
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| 19:50.09 | Galaxyqweb | what is on the large dvd that the large cd does not have? |
| 19:50.10 | TrueDD | linuxxx, by unsing gnome instead of fluxbox :) |
| 19:50.28 | dvs | Galaxyqweb: six times more packages. |
| 19:50.45 | Galaxyqweb | dvs: does it install all of it? |
| 19:50.56 | Galaxyqweb | dvs: or do you pick? |
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| 19:51.13 | dvs | !tell Galaxyqweb about cd contents |
| 19:51.16 | babilen | Galaxyqweb: No and you can install all of those packages directly from the internet. The DVDs/CDs are meant for offline systems |
| 19:51.30 | Galaxyqweb | babilen: ... |
| 19:51.41 | Galaxyqweb | babilen: I am offline |
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| 19:51.58 | Galaxyqweb | babilen: you can't do a wpa net install |
| 19:51.58 | dvs | Galaxyqweb: you can change it to an online system after the CD/DVD install |
| 19:52.15 | babilen | Galaxyqweb: You will never be online with that box? |
| 19:52.39 | Galaxyqweb | babilen: I just want to install it over wpa |
| 19:52.48 | Galaxyqweb | babilen: after I install debian |
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| 19:53.11 | dvs | Galaxyqweb: wpa-supplicant is on CD1 |
| 19:53.25 | dvs | (and I guess DVD1 too) |
| 19:53.26 | linuxxx | when i start the pc it starts in the command line how i start from x instead of command line?? |
| 19:53.38 | babilen | Galaxyqweb: Yes, not problem. You most likely want your preferred CD1 flavour + firmware packages (if needed) |
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| 19:55.09 | Galaxyqweb | babilen: and why are there 52 cds? |
| 19:55.25 | babilen | Galaxyqweb: Those CDs contain *all* packages. |
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| 19:55.52 | Galaxyqweb | babilen: so cd1 is the base stuff and gnome? |
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| 19:56.29 | Sia- | if the main router address is 192.168.1.1 , how to access the secound one on the same network? which address via webbrowser? |
| 19:56.33 | Iridos | look at what dpkg told you in a pm and you can check yourself... |
| 19:56.59 | Iridos | we don't actually learn the content of CD1 by heart, as a rule |
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| 19:57.14 | dvs | you dont? ;-) |
| 19:57.19 | babilen | Galaxyqweb: There are different CD1 flavours, but yes. The CD1/DVD1 contain the most often used packages. |
| 19:57.27 | Iridos | dvs, only on weekends :) |
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| 19:57.33 | dvs | heh |
| 19:57.48 | Galaxyqweb | so I just download large cd1 and install it... |
| 19:57.54 | babilen | Wasn't there a problem with KDE CD1, so that you need KDE CD1 + CD2 in order to install the complete desktop task? |
| 19:58.14 | dvs | Galaxyqweb: yes, and then get wireless to work from that. |
| 19:58.18 | babilen | Galaxyqweb: Yes, that is the idea. Which Desktop Environment do you want to use? |
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| 19:58.36 | Galaxyqweb | babilen: gnome and kde |
| 19:58.49 | babilen | Galaxyqweb: Both? |
| 19:58.51 | Galaxyqweb | and gnome-shell if possible |
| 19:58.52 | honschu | Hi, why is no kde-program listed in the debian-menu? |
| 19:58.59 | Galaxyqweb | babilen: yes both |
| 19:59.14 | babilen | Galaxyqweb: Ok, you might want to use one first and install the other later. |
| 19:59.25 | Galaxyqweb | babilen: that is what I do |
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| 20:00.37 | babilen | Galaxyqweb: Make sure you have all the needed firmware for your hardware. I would suggest to download the firmware tar.gz as detailed in the installation guide or the packages you need. |
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| 20:01.28 | Galaxyqweb | babilen: I will. |
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| 20:02.07 | Galaxyqweb | it is just that there are 100s of cds/dvds with 10s of different ways to install each... |
| 20:02.33 | babilen | Yes, users have different needs. |
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| 20:02.49 | Galaxyqweb | babilen: I just want the standard install. |
| 20:03.05 | Galaxyqweb | but no, it does not work over wpa |
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| 20:03.36 | babilen | There is no standard install - The closest thing to that is what you get when you use the netinstall/CD1 and install the "Desktop" task. |
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| 20:04.23 | babilen | Galaxyqweb: Disable wpa, use ethernet or just use an image that contains the packages of the Desktop task. |
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| 20:05.04 | Galaxyqweb | babilen: I am going to download the iso that I think I need and try them in a vm |
| 20:05.18 | Ryan_Lane | jelly-home: this version of the func package seems to not have the security issues: http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-pkglist?action=details;package=func |
| 20:05.18 | babilen | Which image is that if I may ask? |
| 20:05.35 | Ryan_Lane | it also works correctly |
| 20:05.46 | Galaxyqweb | babilen: wait... |
| 20:06.02 | Galaxyqweb | babilen: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/iso-cd/ cd1 |
| 20:06.10 | babilen | yes |
| 20:06.27 | Galaxyqweb | yes? |
| 20:06.35 | babilen | good choice |
| 20:06.40 | Galaxyqweb | as in that is what I want? |
| 20:06.54 | babilen | It is a reasonable choice, yes |
| 20:07.27 | [switch] | hello, what is the correct way to disable certain init.d scripts under squeeze? .... is it correct to run update-rc.d -f <service> remove, or is it better to edit the "Default-Start" section of the init.d script itself, or another way? |
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| 20:08.55 | babilen | [switch]: You can use update-rc.d or front-ends like rcconf / sysv-rc-conf -- Do *not* edit the script itself |
| 20:08.57 | honschu | Why are there no menu-files in "/usr/share/menu" for most of the KDE applications? |
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| 20:10.26 | babilen | !tell Galaxyqweb -about if |
| 20:10.27 | babilen | !tell Galaxyqweb -about ig |
| 20:10.40 | suw | hello |
| 20:10.44 | babilen | Galaxyqweb: You probably want to keep the Installation Guide nearby. :) |
| 20:10.46 | babilen | suw: welcome |
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| 20:10.58 | [switch] | babilen: understood ... whan I use "update-rc.d -f atd remove", I get the message "update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing", can this be ignored? |
| 20:11.13 | Iridos | I noted that now programs I send in the background from bash with & are killed when I close the xterm I opened them from... did the default behavior of bash change? huponexit is off (by default and for me) |
| 20:11.16 | tonytraductor | actually, I finally DID get OpenSolaris to boot, but it there was a problem with my USB, so, no mouse or keyboard...thus, useless |
| 20:11.26 | tonytraductor | I just downloaded GhostBSD, burning the iso now. |
| 20:11.36 | babilen | [switch]: you are using dependency based boot system probably, so what is the problem? |
| 20:11.40 | tonytraductor | I suppose this is offtopic here...I'll go find a ghostbsd chan |
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| 20:11.55 | babilen | tonytraductor: have fun |
| 20:12.04 | honschu | Why are there no menu-files in "/usr/share/menu" for most KDE applications (e.g. konqueror)? |
| 20:12.24 | [switch] | babilen: atd & dbus-daemon are being started at boot and I don't want them to |
| 20:12.25 | babilen | !tell honschu -about repeat |
| 20:12.45 | suw | I'm in a BIIIG trouble - I tried to upgrade remotely my server, using apt-get dist-upgrade, all went ok but, |
| 20:12.47 | suw | I got disconnected, internet connection fail, now dpkg-configure -a say "Processing was halted because there were too many errors. ... E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" |
| 20:13.16 | suw | what can I do now? to fix it? |
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| 20:13.23 | simonrvn | that's why you do that kind of thing in screen |
| 20:13.38 | tonytraductor | chucha la wea... can you get it to run apt-get update or aptitude update now? |
| 20:13.43 | simonrvn | dpkg --configure -a is what you want |
| 20:13.43 | dpkg | simonrvn: I think you lost me on that one |
| 20:13.54 | simonrvn | pats dpkg on the head |
| 20:14.11 | Iridos | simonrvn, I tink you've lost dpkg on that one |
| 20:14.30 | suw | I still have some perl and whiptail command - should I kill them? |
| 20:15.13 | simonrvn | you'll have to |
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| 20:15.28 | suw | dpkg --configure -a => Processing was halted because there were too many errors. |
| 20:15.28 | dpkg | suw: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 20:15.52 | suw | dpkg: at least I am first at something... |
| 20:15.53 | dpkg | suw: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 20:16.14 | zophy | dpkg hello |
| 20:16.14 | dpkg | niihau |
| 20:16.29 | simonrvn | dpkg --configure somepackage |
| 20:16.29 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, simonrvn |
| 20:16.41 | Iridos | stop playing with the bot, guys! |
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| 20:16.49 | wessly | dpkg is gay :) |
| 20:16.49 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, wessly |
| 20:16.52 | simonrvn | you'll have to do the libs first, and any deps |
| 20:17.02 | EmleyMoor | deepackage |
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| 20:17.23 | topi` | quick question: does debian include such a package as ubuntu10.10 does, bcmwl-kernel-source for compiling the bloody broadcom 43xx wifi driver? |
| 20:17.24 | Iridos | suw, pastebin the whole error |
| 20:17.29 | simonrvn | wonders how a bot could have a sexual orientation |
| 20:17.53 | Iridos | simonrvn, watch more futurama |
| 20:18.15 | simonrvn | that requires me to have basic cable |
| 20:18.23 | zophy | what happened to dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 20:18.30 | topi` | anyone here using a Broadcom BCM4321 wifi with debian? |
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| 20:18.39 | simonrvn | zophy: that's a debconf command |
| 20:18.40 | suw | Iridos: I've killed whiptail and all perl, and restart dpkg-reconfigure -a |
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| 20:18.46 | suw | now started working. |
| 20:18.46 | topi` | I know it's a crappy card, but this is a Macbook :/ |
| 20:19.06 | babilen | topi`: I guess there are some people using it, why? |
| 20:19.09 | cilkay | babilen: I gave up on converting the cluster and just imported into the 8.4 cluster the export file I'd created with pg_dumpall, copied the changes from pg_hba.conf and postgresql.conf from 8.3 to 8.4, and everything seems fine. |
| 20:19.23 | babilen | !tell topi` -about bcm4321 |
| 20:19.26 | topi` | babilen: I need to get that wifi working in order to have networking on my macbook :/ |
| 20:19.52 | topi` | so I need to install the vendor driver using wl? |
| 20:20.09 | dvs | topi`: http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 20:20.09 | babilen | cilkay: Hmm, ok. I guess it is OK if everyhting is fine now. |
| 20:20.13 | topi` | but is it possible, since I compiled a 64bit kernel? |
| 20:20.50 | topi` | ok, it seems x86_64 is supported |
| 20:20.51 | topi` | thanks |
| 20:21.00 | babilen | topi`: http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 20:21.41 | dvs | np |
| 20:22.31 | simonrvn | suw: was probably all the stray whiptail and perl processes |
| 20:22.49 | cilkay | babilen: I didn't find any obvious way of installing 8.3 and 8.4 on the same machine to be able to run pg_upgradecluster. I built 8.3 from source but never managed to get it running and found it easier just to copy the few changes from the two config files from 8.3 to 8.4. What did you do? |
| 20:23.50 | babilen | cilkay: I used 8.4 from the beginning (backport) |
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| 20:24.21 | cilkay | You didn't have 8.3 databases? |
| 20:24.39 | cilkay | If not, then you wouldn't have encountered the problems. |
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| 20:25.15 | cilkay | I've been dragging these databases forward from 7x. I've never had as much hassle with the upgrade as I did this time but I think this is the first one I've done on Debian. |
| 20:25.20 | lassiethebrave | so... It seems I've gone full derp. during a recent dist-upgrade I got postgresql-9.0, I always run with the --purge switch... My databases/users are gone, right? |
| 20:25.21 | babilen | topi`: Could you do me a favour and paste the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" in here please? |
| 20:26.39 | cilkay | lassiethebrave: ls -l /var/lib/postgresql will tell you. Hope you had a backup because I think --purge does remove the cluster. |
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| 20:26.57 | babilen | cilkay: We have 8.3 around, but my personal ones are 8.4 ... |
| 20:27.09 | simonrvn | it does remove it. i did it last night. |
| 20:27.11 | babilen | lassiethebrave: Yes, probably gone. |
| 20:27.23 | simonrvn | made a dump first |
| 20:27.33 | babilen | lassiethebrave: Why do you always purge? |
| 20:27.47 | tonytraductor | purging makes me feel light and skinny and sexy |
| 20:27.49 | babilen | uuh, look at simonrvn! he made a dump :) |
| 20:27.50 | tonytraductor | jk |
| 20:27.55 | cilkay | Because disk space is so expensive. :) |
| 20:27.57 | simonrvn | fyi, 8.4 to 9.0 is ok |
| 20:27.59 | dvs | pew! |
| 20:28.04 | tonytraductor | I'll be back |
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| 20:28.05 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 20:28.28 | cilkay | simonrvn: Did the upgrade convert the cluster automatically? |
| 20:28.56 | simonrvn | no, put it on another port and started it. |
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| 20:29.01 | lassiethebrave | babilen: damn... I'm an idiot. I purge as to not leave any residual files. most likley very meaningless but it makes me feeel as said "skinny and sexy". |
| 20:29.53 | simonrvn | made a dump, added it to the 9 cluster, switched ports on both, checked it, then purged |
| 20:30.00 | cilkay | simonrvn: That's the same behaviour as 8.3 to 8.4 then. The problem is that you need binaries for both installed in order to run pg_upgradecluster. |
| 20:30.30 | simonrvn | took all of ~30 minutes (be faster if the xz compression was faster ;p) |
| 20:30.38 | simonrvn | yes |
| 20:30.43 | [switch] | babilen: the correct approch appears to be "insserv -r <service>" under squeeze. |
| 20:30.43 | topi` | babilen: ok, but first gotta reboot to get rid of this stupid OSX.. |
| 20:30.47 | simonrvn | i had both installed and running |
| 20:30.54 | cilkay | simonrvn: I did a pg_dumpall from 8.3, imported into 8.4, and then manually copied the changes in the 8.3 config files to 8.4. |
| 20:31.16 | simonrvn | same; i had 8.3 before 8.4. i did the same for 9.0 |
| 20:32.04 | simonrvn | my pg-dependent sites didn't even 'notice' |
| 20:32.12 | cilkay | simonrvn: Not on the same machine, I presume. BTW, some of the parameters in the 8.3 config were deprecated so using the 8.3 files probably wouldn't be a good idea, which is why I copied only the changes I'd made. |
| 20:34.32 | linuxxx | to make autologin at command line? |
| 20:35.37 | linuxxx | installiing gdm if i use autologin and only have one user has sense? |
| 20:35.46 | simonrvn | yes, same machine |
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| 20:36.44 | simonrvn | i don't recommend that btw, just my current situation ;) |
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| 20:39.29 | GaLaXY_ | Are the ati fglrx legacy drivers for the radeon 9x series in the repos? |
| 20:40.00 | simonrvn | um, use the open source one? |
| 20:40.24 | GaLaXY_ | i am having some trouble with brightness after starting full screen applications using the radeon driver |
| 20:40.44 | GaLaXY_ | xgamma doesn't seem to be a decent solution |
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| 20:42.52 | simonrvn | WorksForMe |
| 20:43.22 | GaLaXY_ | ic.. could always fakeroot the installer ;p |
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| 20:47.28 | simonrvn | radeon 9k here. the foss driver works well for me |
| 20:48.39 | sbine | +++++ |
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| 20:53.11 | Tasser | is it usual for a /etc/init.d/amavis restart to take several minutes? |
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| 20:55.25 | ntat | Jakie jest polecenie, żeby sprawdzić, czy są dostępne nowsze wersje pakietów w systemie? |
| 20:55.36 | ntat | apt-get update? |
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| 21:00.20 | ntat | Ktoś pomoże? |
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| 21:01.52 | simonrvn | try english, or : |
| 21:01.54 | simonrvn | !pl |
| 21:01.54 | dpkg | pl is, like, polska -> #debian-pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss". |
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| 21:14.03 | cronix | herm |
| 21:14.05 | cronix | tha heck? |
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| 21:14.14 | cronix | fresh debian squeeze netinst setup |
| 21:14.21 | cronix | reboot after installation |
| 21:14.28 | cronix | grub error: out of disk |
| 21:14.35 | keropok | lol |
| 21:14.38 | cronix | anyone has an idea what the heck this error is about? |
| 21:14.56 | cronix | grub -> mbr |
| 21:14.58 | cronix | and just 1 p |
| 21:15.01 | cronix | artition for everything |
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| 21:15.50 | tzanger | good afternoon. I'm trying to build something outside the debian tree that requires the kernel sources for the currently running kernel (i.e. the /lib/modules/kernel-ver/build softlink must be valid) -- which package do I install to get this link? |
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| 21:16.20 | AimHere | Probably one of the kernel-headers packages |
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| 21:16.37 | tzanger | AimHere: ahh, I was looking at sources but yes, headers is probably a must as well. :-) |
| 21:16.49 | cronix | i had the same error with ubuntu maverick installation |
| 21:17.00 | cronix | old debian lenny worked fine |
| 21:17.13 | cronix | so i guess the problem is grub2 related |
| 21:17.17 | AimHere | linux-headers-foo |
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| 21:17.50 | tzanger | AimHere: thank you, I think this is the problem |
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| 21:19.53 | Gnewt | So I think I need to write some insserv overrides for scripts lacking LSB tags, is there a guide anywhere? |
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| 21:20.24 | simonrvn | !ops zacker spam |
| 21:20.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: simonrvn complains about: zacker spam |
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| 21:21.22 | simonrvn | bah, sorry, didn't see the bot killing him.. i *did* look for it though |
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| 21:21.32 | mentor | Yep |
| 21:21.35 | mentor | The bot got it :) |
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| 21:23.45 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 21:24.29 | johnfg | Was going to install pybliographer on lenny, but it's only in squeeze, wheezy, sid and experimental. How do I install it on lenny? |
| 21:24.41 | cronix | use the backports |
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| 21:25.21 | johnfg | cronix: it's not in lenny-backports. |
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| 21:27.36 | johnfg | cronix, Since it's not in backports, is there a way for me to install it from squeeze? Or do I need to wait until it 'is' backported? |
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| 21:28.18 | cronix | no clue then sorry ;/ |
| 21:28.21 | topi` | damn, no lspci on my debian64 installation... |
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| 21:28.57 | johnfg | cronix, np. Thanks for the suggestion. |
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| 21:30.41 | cronix | GRUB error: out of disk. HELP! |
| 21:30.43 | suw | Where can I find mysql_upgrade is not in packages? |
| 21:30.45 | suw | Column count of mysql.db is wrong. Expected 22, found 20. Created with MySQL 50051, now running 50149. Please use mysql_upgrade to fix this error |
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| 21:31.14 | cronix | already tryed to fix using this hint but i cant find the mentioned lines: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux/160485-grub-error-out-disk.html |
| 21:31.47 | apollo13 | suw: mysql-server-core-5.1 (for ubuntu at least) |
| 21:31.48 | tremo | suw: mysql-server-5.1: /usr/bin/mysql_upgrade |
| 21:32.08 | apollo13 | woah they even repackaged that |
| 21:32.23 | suw | tremo: no such file... |
| 21:32.43 | tremo | aptitude install apt-file, apt-file update, apt-file search mysql_upgrade |
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| 21:53.37 | concon | How can I find out which modules are included in the different releases, and even better which modules are included in the installation media? |
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| 21:57.48 | wessly | clear |
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| 22:06.12 | jhutchins | concon: http://wiki.debian.org/Modules |
| 22:06.40 | jhutchins | wessly: I think you meant Ctrl-L |
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| 22:08.14 | concon | Thanks, that's a million times better than what the efnet guys managed to come up with |
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| 22:09.32 | jhutchins | concon: Any particular hardware you're worried about? |
| 22:09.58 | homie | still could not get rid of the knacks completely, but i reduced it immensely |
| 22:10.00 | jhutchins | concon: Some things need firmware as well. |
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| 22:10.24 | jhutchins | homie: knacks... |
| 22:10.25 | homie | by the way kde config option for multimedia does not work anymore |
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| 22:10.40 | homie | clicks/knacks/hoots/toots |
| 22:10.41 | jhutchins | homie: Which option is that? |
| 22:10.46 | concon | jhutchins: Yeah, I need the r8192e_pci module |
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| 22:10.54 | concon | I don't have an ethernet connection available |
| 22:11.08 | concon | A wired ethernet connection, rather |
| 22:11.11 | homie | jhutchins: i mean the kde system settings menu for multimedia |
| 22:11.23 | homie | jhutchins: it does nothing now |
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| 22:11.43 | jhutchins | rtl819x |
| 22:11.47 | jhutchins | !rtl819x |
| 22:11.47 | dpkg | For support of Realtek 802.11n wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rtl8191se>, <rtl8192se>, <rtl8192e>, <rtl8188ce> (PCI-E chipsets); <rtl8192su>, <rtl8192u> (USB chipsets). http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 22:12.06 | homie | seems somehow related to kde, since rebooting i noticed not muck clicks other than once at the start of dphys-swapfile |
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| 22:12.13 | homie | which i turned off now |
| 22:12.19 | jhutchins | homie: Squeeze? |
| 22:12.23 | homie | yes |
| 22:12.49 | homie | i completely took it off the power (the pc) and rebooted... |
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| 22:13.29 | homie | sometimes there are loads on the power net i think which cause something like static or such |
| 22:14.14 | homie | not often, but 2 or 3 times maybe in a year |
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| 22:14.53 | homie | but this time i think it was not due to it |
| 22:14.58 | topi` | ok, now I fucked up my debian system ;) the boot ends up with a kernel panic since my root can't be mounted since everything in the debian kernel is in modules, hence I'd need to load up initramfs |
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| 22:15.13 | jhutchins | might be smart to have an EFI/Surge supressor on it. A ups is even better. |
| 22:15.13 | s3phir0th115 | Virtualbox is running really slow for me in Squeeze |
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| 22:15.18 | s3phir0th115 | Am I forgetting something? |
| 22:15.27 | topi` | so, the question is: what kind of kernel params do I need to get that initramfs kicking? boot= param is innecessary i suppose? |
| 22:15.43 | jhutchins | topi`: What modules are you missing? |
| 22:15.47 | topi` | (I am using an ELILO bootloader directly from EFI) |
| 22:15.51 | concon | Sweet, the module is included in the 2.6.32-5 kernel, which means it'll be on the installation media for wheeze, right? |
| 22:16.03 | topi` | jhutchins: everything, since it can't mount the root (ext3) |
| 22:16.21 | topi` | or probably the SATA module needs to be loaded first |
| 22:16.30 | jhutchins | concon: Um, yeah, might not want to start out with wheezy. 32-5 is on squeeze as well. |
| 22:16.38 | topi` | this is a NVIDIA chipset, dunno what kind of IDE controller it has |
| 22:16.54 | concon | Wheeze is brand new? |
| 22:17.14 | concon | I guess I can ask dpkg |
| 22:17.49 | concon | Ahh.... February 8th? |
| 22:17.54 | jhutchins | !tell topi about targeted |
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| 22:18.19 | jhutchins | concon: Wheezy just started testing. Going to be a rough road for a while. |
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| 22:18.39 | concon | So you just had a new release, how nice |
| 22:18.43 | topi` | bot isn't online? |
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| 22:19.11 | concon | jhutchins: Yeah, your bot just told me. |
| 22:19.14 | topi` | jhutchins: sorry for not being in the loop, I was a debian user back in 2000, but have been out of the loop since then |
| 22:19.38 | jhutchins | No worries. |
| 22:19.40 | topi` | I just compile my own kernel and make everything built-in for mounting root |
| 22:19.42 | homie | what ? squeeze already stable ? |
| 22:19.51 | concon | I think I'm too used to support on efnet, the bots over there are usually more sarcastic than helpful |
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| 22:20.01 | jhutchins | topi`: That'll work too. |
| 22:20.17 | jhutchins | homie: Officially as of last weekend. |
| 22:20.21 | topi` | but this time I wanted to use linux-image-* because my m-a install broadcom sucked because WIRELESS_EXT was undefined |
| 22:20.35 | homie | oh man, i totally missed that |
| 22:20.41 | topi` | so I wanted to use the same source as the packager of the wl package |
| 22:20.47 | homie | lol |
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| 22:21.03 | topi` | I don't know how this 'wl' is supposed to work or to be built |
| 22:22.56 | linuxxx | the right button of hp mini 210 keypad doesn't work what can i do? |
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| 22:25.52 | jhutchins | linuxxx: Tell us what the button is, and what you expect it to do that it fails to. |
| 22:25.52 | jeybop | hi there |
| 22:26.01 | homie | hulloo |
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| 22:26.14 | jeybop | I get some trouble with gdm3 since toda |
| 22:26.17 | jeybop | today |
| 22:26.31 | jhutchins | ,versions gdm3 |
| 22:26.33 | judd | Package gdm3 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.30.5-6; sid: 2.30.5-7; wheezy: 2.30.5-7 |
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| 22:26.45 | jeybop | am I the only one? |
| 22:26.48 | linuxxx | jhutchins, i press right button and the computer does nothing |
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| 22:27.51 | homie | jeybop: you maybe need to swipe the old dirs for gnome in your home folder ? |
| 22:28.00 | linuxxx | jhutchins, sorry i wanted to say mousepad |
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| 22:28.10 | neur0n | hey how do you do that thing with names |
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| 22:28.19 | jeybop | homie, wht do you mean? |
| 22:28.28 | neur0n | like to to highlight name in an irc |
| 22:28.37 | neur0n | whats the syntax |
| 22:28.40 | homie | jeybop: .gnome .gnome2 .gnome2_private .gconf .gconf2 or so |
| 22:28.56 | jeybop | I could give it a try |
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| 22:29.18 | homie | jeybop: not must but sometimes it helps, like in kde i have to sometimes delete my old stuff too .kde etc.. |
| 22:29.31 | linuxxx | when i press left button on my mousepad computer does nothing what can i do? |
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| 22:29.44 | homie | jeybop: check the message in /var/log first |
| 22:29.52 | jeybop | no special messages |
| 22:30.11 | homie | and X is up ? |
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| 22:30.33 | jeybop | homie, I can start X with startx, and wdm |
| 22:30.46 | homie | ok it seems then to be some config stuff only |
| 22:31.05 | homie | which maybe due to something missing |
| 22:31.18 | jeybop | homie, BUT doing that, I have problems with a lot of gnome stuff: shutdown button, disk mounter, help etc... |
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| 22:32.33 | homie | i know once that i have wiped the .kde/socket-user .kde/cache-user etc. things and couldn't login anymore |
| 22:33.01 | Stefunel | guys, something strange just happened. If I open a terminal and press tab so it will autocomplete anything, it stalls, no input whatsoever. Also, nothing on the desktop is shown after I clicked unmount on a mounted drive |
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| 22:33.02 | topi` | I searched thru the wiki.debian.org pages about initramfs and bootup, but still no idea as to how to load the initramfs from /boot, using GRUB2 |
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| 22:33.05 | homie | don't know if something similar is the problem there for gnome |
| 22:33.19 | jeybop | I did not do anything like remove a gnome config file |
| 22:33.26 | jeybop | I give it a try and let you know |
| 22:33.31 | homie | ok |
| 22:33.34 | topi` | there is the initrd.img-2.6.32-5-amd64 in /boot, but how do I load it with the kernel? |
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| 22:35.14 | mocca | is it a need to put volatile repository or is it doesnt matter if not? |
| 22:35.33 | homie | not a need no |
| 22:36.31 | mocca | thank you. |
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| 22:39.44 | jeybop | hi |
| 22:39.51 | jeybop | homie, it does not help |
| 22:40.09 | homie | well, did you try to dpkg-reconfigure gdm ? |
| 22:40.13 | jeybop | yeap |
| 22:40.47 | jeybop | I tried many many things |
| 22:40.53 | homie | reinstall ? |
| 22:40.58 | jeybop | lol |
| 22:41.09 | homie | rm -rf /etc/gdm /usr/share/gdm etc...and reinstall ? |
| 22:41.10 | jeybop | I would prefer not |
| 22:41.17 | jeybop | ah |
| 22:41.19 | homie | hmmm, well |
| 22:41.22 | jeybop | reinstall gdm |
| 22:41.22 | arand | I have vm images lying on a ntfs partition, mounted with my user as owner, however virt-manager errors out with permission denied when I try to attach and use said images. |
| 22:41.38 | babilen | jeybop: what are you trying to do? |
| 22:41.41 | jeybop | I though you suggested reinstall debian... ;) |
| 22:41.48 | homie | no only gdm |
| 22:42.03 | jeybop | babilen, get gdm3 work |
| 22:42.11 | jeybop | babilen, it does work since today |
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| 22:42.26 | homie | does not |
| 22:42.26 | babilen | Ah, have fun. /me will not participate in that. |
| 22:42.34 | homie | lol |
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| 22:43.51 | jeybop | thanks for your contribution babilen ^^ |
| 22:45.42 | babilen | jeybop: It is just that *I* don't think gdm3 is quite ready yet and that you should rather use gdm or no login manager at all. AFAICT you haven't said anything about the particular problems you have with gdm3 since today ... |
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| 22:49.29 | jeybop | babilen, gdm3 worked fine until today. Now, gdm3 does not show up. I can launch X with startx, or wdm. BUT doing that, I encounter lot of problems with gnome: shutdown panel button does not work anymore, disk-mounter neither... I can not state this is because I do not use gdm, but it seems to be related. And I can not use gdm, since it is not compatible anymore with gnome 2.30 |
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| 22:50.49 | homie | jeybop: do you remember what you did before it got borked ? |
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| 22:50.59 | Stefunel | I've got another problem. If I try to unzip something, and I create a directory directly in my home, it gets deleted almost instantly |
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| 22:51.13 | jeybop | well, I mainly wanted to know if I was the only one with this problem, or if it was related to any recent upgrade |
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| 22:51.20 | jeybop | homie, nothing special |
| 22:51.41 | jeybop | I am pretty sure it is related to a side effect of a recent upgrade |
| 22:51.54 | jeybop | but I can't say which one |
| 22:51.55 | un214 | changes to files / dirs not sticking can be disk that is read-only but not indicating write errors |
| 22:52.18 | homie | yep, it maybe totally unrelated to gdm3 |
| 22:52.32 | homie | did you fsck before your drives ? |
| 22:53.11 | homie | go into single user mode and remount root / read-only then fsck |
| 22:53.20 | jeybop | it did on last reboot |
| 22:53.26 | jeybop | nope that much |
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| 22:54.07 | homie | hmm, i'm outta ideas here |
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| 22:56.07 | jeybop | me too |
| 22:56.22 | jeybop | I give for now |
| 22:56.26 | jeybop | give up |
| 22:56.34 | jeybop | I'll try later |
| 22:56.44 | homie | ok, maybe tomorrow will be another update |
| 22:56.53 | homie | or upgrade |
| 22:57.07 | homie | else try getting gdm3 from another repo |
| 22:57.08 | jeybop | I hope it would be that simple |
| 22:57.14 | jeybop | yeap |
| 22:57.16 | jeybop | I'll see |
| 22:57.23 | jeybop | anyway, thanks |
| 22:57.39 | homie | yw |
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| 23:00.10 | rubberneck | Somewhat new to Debian and the package management system, whenever I want to use aptitue to install Audacious, it wants to upgrade the kernal. How can I prevent this? |
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| 23:00.32 | themill | rubberneck: can you pastebin the command you gave and the entire output for us? |
| 23:00.42 | rubberneck | sure |
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| 23:02.24 | Some_Person | There's a grocery store near here that's using the Debian logo (something very similar at least) on some of their decor |
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| 23:03.20 | rubberneck | themill: http://pastebin.com/bXEbW43N |
| 23:03.21 | propm | nice |
| 23:03.36 | Some_Person | It's a Kroger |
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| 23:04.11 | themill | dpkg: tell rubberneck about show sources.list |
| 23:04.21 | themill | rubberneck: the output of "apt-cache policy" would be handy too |
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| 23:05.32 | dlo4r | can anyone help me? i just opened the software center and tried to remove aisleriot solitaire but it doesnt do anything |
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| 23:06.47 | rubberneck | themill: I see, got it fixed thanks. I have sid in my sources.list |
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| 23:07.00 | Some_Person | dlo4r: sudo apt-get install gnome-games |
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| 23:07.05 | themill | rubberneck: you have an interesting mix of releases, yes. Never a good plan. |
| 23:07.19 | Some_Person | dlo4r: s/install/remove |
| 23:07.53 | dlo4r | Some_Person: cant i do it with the software center? |
| 23:08.24 | Some_Person | dlo4r: Maybe. Generally, Software Center = fail |
| 23:08.48 | Some_Person | I don't really get why people use it instead of Synaptic |
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| 23:09.15 | dvs | likes dselect |
| 23:09.21 | dlo4r | i dont understand why the button is there if its not supposed to work |
| 23:09.57 | Stefunel | guys, how can i check the alert sounds in gnome? I keep geting a random sound, but it is not like an error message, some kind of notification. I can't link it to any event and it drives me crazy |
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| 23:12.12 | lantana | is there a trick for finding touchpad drivers? |
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| 23:12.35 | Some_Person | Langer: problem? |
| 23:12.36 | PerfDave | lantana: Depends on the touchpad - check the "linux on laptops" site? Most are plain USB devices these days. |
| 23:12.45 | lantana | i'd rather not fuck around with X, but i will if i have to. the subject is pretty scarcely covered in google |
| 23:12.50 | streuner | lantana: synaptics |
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| 23:13.15 | Some_Person | lantana: What's the problem? |
| 23:13.25 | streuner | lantana: it should call xorg-synaptics or such |
| 23:13.51 | streuner | ii xserver-xorg-input-synaptics 1.3.0-2 Synaptics TouchPad driver for X.Org server |
| 23:14.42 | lantana | i'll try getting that. i downloaded gsynaptics the first time and was frustrated with how unhelpful it was despite being listed in multiple threads on the subject |
| 23:14.47 | lantana | now i'm thinking i misinterpreted them :p |
| 23:15.04 | Some_Person | lantana: What's wrong with your touchpad? |
| 23:15.18 | streuner | !synaptics |
| 23:15.19 | dpkg | Synaptics is a X.org driver for laptop touchpads. For use in X, install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and "man synaptics" for driver options; Configuration tools include synclient, gsynaptics and gpointing-device-settings (Squeeze). Not working? -> "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". Driver does not support X.org auto-configuration in Lenny. http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad . See also <clickpad>, <trackpoint>. |
| 23:16.06 | lantana | Some_Person: simply put, it doesn't respond. there's no entry for it in /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 23:16.09 | lantana | either |
| 23:17.01 | lantana | oh, and i already have all the xorg synaptics packages |
| 23:17.18 | streuner | !laptops |
| 23:17.18 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about Linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/mylaptops.html . For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. Also ask me about <acpi>, <laptop mode>, <netbook>, <pcmcia>, <suspend>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn . See also the debian-laptop mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
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| 23:17.42 | streuner | look at the URL above, there is hopefully a tric or workaround available |
| 23:18.11 | lantana | i've been browsing |
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| 23:18.51 | f00bar | does anyone know how to get a logitech 9000 pro usb camera to work ? |
| 23:19.01 | f00bar | thus far .. it seems to be a mystery to me |
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| 23:20.06 | DeathNostril | f00bar: Have you installed the UVC driver? |
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| 23:20.20 | f00bar | not sure .. do I check that with lsmod ? |
| 23:20.22 | DeathNostril | I havent tried it in Debian but I had that camera working okay in Gentoo |
| 23:20.34 | DeathNostril | probably but they are packages |
| 23:20.39 | DeathNostril | try apt-cache search uvc |
| 23:20.50 | f00bar | I have Linux aster 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 03:40:32 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 23:21.30 | f00bar | hrmm .. let me check if I have those |
| 23:21.55 | DeathNostril | try modprobe uvcvideo |
| 23:21.59 | f00bar | ahh .. I do not |
| 23:21.59 | DeathNostril | that will load the driver |
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| 23:22.09 | f00bar | p guvcview - GTK+ base UVC Viewer |
| 23:22.09 | f00bar | p luvcview - USB Video Class grabber |
| 23:22.14 | f00bar | I guess I need those |
| 23:22.17 | DeathNostril | well |
| 23:22.21 | DeathNostril | modprobe uvcvideo first |
| 23:22.24 | DeathNostril | if it isnt already |
| 23:22.30 | DeathNostril | then install guvcview |
| 23:22.33 | DeathNostril | and see if you get a pic |
| 23:23.01 | DeathNostril | @ work so only semi-here but that is definitely the road you want to go down - uvc drivers |
| 23:23.05 | DeathNostril | gotta run |
| 23:23.10 | f00bar | yes ... looks like I have those |
| 23:23.13 | f00bar | uvcvideo 52063 0 |
| 23:23.13 | f00bar | videodev 29993 1 uvcvideo |
| 23:23.13 | f00bar | v4l1_compat 11442 2 uvcvideo,videodev |
| 23:23.19 | DeathNostril | install guvcview and run it |
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| 23:24.00 | f00bar | installing |
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| 23:24.14 | f00bar | okay .. let's see what that did if anything |
| 23:24.30 | f00bar | yee haw .. works |
| 23:24.34 | f00bar | well that was easy |
| 23:24.37 | f00bar | thank you ! |
| 23:24.44 | f00bar | must go eat .. back shortly |
| 23:24.54 | DeathNostril | :) np, there is another viewer, luvcview you can try when you get a chance |
| 23:24.55 | DeathNostril | ok I am out |
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| 23:29.28 | moot_ | so I've got a touchpad on an acer laptop and I can't get the kernel to recognize the trackpad. It won't populate it into /dev. What do I do? |
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| 23:36.56 | johnfg | Don't know if anyone else uses it, but pybliographer/pybliographic built & installed with no problem at all. |
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| 23:39.46 | Syniq | OK |
| 23:39.53 | Syniq | What is going on with Debian 6? |
| 23:40.03 | PerfDave | Syniq: What do you mean? |
| 23:40.06 | Syniq | apt-get install 6, followed by screen |
| 23:40.33 | Syniq | This should not get me "No more PTYs" followed by "Sorry, could not find a PTY." |
| 23:40.38 | Syniq | This is a new clean installation. |
| 23:40.41 | peja | anyone running suphp on "squeeze" ? |
| 23:40.43 | Syniq | On Linode, of all places. |
| 23:40.59 | PerfDave | I don't think that "6" is a package, Syniq |
| 23:41.10 | Syniq | er |
| 23:41.14 | Syniq | branefart |
| 23:41.19 | Syniq | apt-get install screen even >.< |
| 23:41.29 | Syniq | It's been a long week |
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| 23:41.34 | PerfDave | Syniq: How did you install Debian? |
| 23:41.47 | Syniq | PerfDave: However Linode do it. |
| 23:41.55 | PerfDave | Syniq: Sounds like you want to take it up with Linode support. |
| 23:44.10 | Syniq | Blegh |
| 23:44.10 | Syniq | Sod it, Lenny forever. >< |
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| 23:44.28 | boxbeatsy | hi, i'm running a bottle server in the background and it's crashing without any log to standard output. i've found that if i DONT run it in the background, it never crashes. does anyone know why this might happen? |
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| 23:45.49 | Syniq | AAAAAGH |
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| 23:48.56 | beware | wide-dhcpv6-server requires me to specify the interfaces it will listen on, in /etc/default/wide-dhcpv6-server, but this is extremely inconvenient in my setup because it means duplicated configuration |
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| 23:49.21 | beware | of a rather large and possibly dynamic list of interfaces. so this will result in vague failures later on |
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| 23:50.31 | khaleel5000 | hi i have debian sid, i did apt-get distupgrade yesterday, rebooted and now when i boot up X doesnt start, i boot up at CLI, login and when i type startx it says /usr/bin/X not found (i have kde4 and kdm, i am on wifi that kde automatically connected to so cant connect to net , currently in windows for trouble shooting tip |
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| 23:52.08 | PerfDave | khaleel5000: Is /usr/bin/X there? |
| 23:52.34 | PerfDave | Because if it's not, install the package that puts it there ;) |
| 23:52.44 | Gnudoll | does anyone here know why fglrx stopped working recently? |
| 23:53.06 | Gnudoll | it was working then it stopped, and I did nothing to it |
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| 23:53.50 | Gnudoll | Lenny with an X300 (M22) |
| 23:54.42 | Gnudoll | I installed with the fresh install (non-free packages) and the installed kernel |
| 23:56.16 | Gnudoll | it was working like that, then a few updates later, it started showing "mesa indirect", and not the ATI line anymore |
| 23:56.42 | Gnudoll | and 3D accel was no longer working |
| 23:57.01 | Gnudoll | I tried reinstalling fglrx, but no joy on that |
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| 23:57.31 | Gnudoll | I tried DRIconf, but that is not working either |
| 23:58.20 | khaleel5000 | PerfDave no its not, which package needs to be installed |
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