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| 00:01.10 | sillykone | Anyone else getting a seg fault with Blender? |
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| 00:04.39 | magicianlord | sillykone: what fruit are you blending |
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| 00:05.02 | sgn | I'm trying to allow a non-root user to mount using ntfs-3g on squeeze. Not all that simple, really... |
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| 00:07.44 | sharp15 | is update-notifier-kde from the kde project or did debian write it? and how many other programs do i have installed that are calling home at will? |
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| 00:11.55 | themill | sharp15: update-notifier runs apt-get update for you occasionally and if there are updates causes the dbus event to go out that update-notifier-kde shows you. You should be running apt-get update and acting on that fairly regularly yourself anyway, and there are several other implementations of precisely this function in the archive because it's so important. |
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| 00:13.23 | Psi-Jack | Anyone know how to properly setup a HE IPv6 tunnel in the interfaces configuration? |
| 00:13.43 | pipeline | Psi-Jack: I don't, but I salute you for your forward thinking :) |
| 00:13.55 | neoice | Psi-Jack: can I message you? |
| 00:14.11 | Psi-Jack | Well, my ISP has outright refused to care about IPv6 right now, even spoke to their management about my concerns of their lack of concerns. |
| 00:14.24 | sharp15 | it may be important but i really don't like things doing this automatically. especially when not advertised. |
| 00:14.28 | Psi-Jack | neoice: Umm. Sure? If it's relevant to my question. |
| 00:14.41 | neoice | I'll jsut pastebin it |
| 00:15.02 | themill | sharp15: so uninstall it. |
| 00:15.15 | magicianlord | Psi-Jack: i tend to disable ipv6in firefox |
| 00:15.27 | Psi-Jack | magicianlord: Well, that's not a good idea. :p |
| 00:15.31 | neoice | Psi-Jack: this is what I'm doing: http://pastebin.com/DPLUXEjD |
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| 00:19.09 | sillykone | I get a seg fault from Blender 2.49, 2.56 and empathy. Also my window manager paints really slowly. |
| 00:19.24 | pipeline | sillykone: glxinfo | grep irect |
| 00:20.10 | sillykone | Nothing. When I leave off the grep I get a seg fault. |
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| 00:20.56 | sharp15 | themill: i did. i wanted to know if i should expect more of that behavior from other packages. |
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| 00:21.26 | themill | sharp15: hth would we know what you've installed? |
| 00:21.39 | sharp15 | themill: nevermind. |
| 00:21.58 | Psi-Jack | Hmmm, strange. When I do ifup tun6to4, I get: ioctl: no buffer space available. Failed to bring up tun6to4. |
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| 00:24.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps can you help me with rsyslogd? |
| 00:24.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://pastebin.com/bFSFNhs1 |
| 00:25.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am trying to seperate my sftp/ssh traffic and make my firewall not to go syslog file.. |
| 00:25.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | it seems to go there and the firewall log |
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| 00:26.12 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 00:26.34 | lenswipe | im trying to install docky on debian lenny |
| 00:26.54 | lenswipe | ive been doing some RTFM and it says to run sudo add-apt-repository ppa:docky-core/ppa |
| 00:27.14 | lenswipe | which gives me an error saying it doesnt know what the command means, is there an alternative to what im trying to do here? |
| 00:27.15 | themill | lenswipe: don't mix ubuntu ppas with debian |
| 00:27.22 | lenswipe | ?? |
| 00:27.31 | lenswipe | what is ppa? |
| 00:27.57 | lenswipe | themill: what is ppa? |
| 00:27.59 | themill | perhaps you should reread the command you tried to give |
| 00:27.59 | Arrowmaster | lenswipe: add-apt-repository is ubuntu specific |
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| 00:28.16 | Arrowmaster | not supported by debian |
| 00:28.17 | lenswipe | Arrowmaster: i know its ubuntu specific, im asking what the debian alternative is |
| 00:28.22 | themill | !ppa |
| 00:28.22 | dpkg | [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>. |
| 00:28.50 | Arrowmaster | !why not use a ppa |
| 00:28.50 | dpkg | PPAs (Ubuntu's Personal Package Archives, see <PPA>) are not built against Debian releases, they are built against Ubuntu releases. This makes using packages from them on a Debian box highly unlikely to work out well. Ask me about <ssb> <package recompile> <bobbitt>. |
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| 00:29.12 | lenswipe | Arrowmaster: i saw it the first time, doing it twice, wont make it any more visible |
| 00:29.34 | Arrowmaster | those were two different messages |
| 00:29.41 | themill | reading is still hard. |
| 00:29.56 | lenswipe | maybe i should go back to my original question |
| 00:30.03 | lenswipe | can someone tell me how to install docky on debian? |
| 00:30.14 | themill | lenswipe: docky is available from squeeze onwards |
| 00:30.18 | lenswipe | im not allowed to use ppa, and if build from source people bitch at me |
| 00:30.27 | lenswipe | themill: okay, so i upgrade to squeeze? |
| 00:30.29 | lenswipe | how do i do that? |
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| 00:30.37 | themill | lenswipe: //topic |
| 00:30.44 | lenswipe | ty |
| 00:31.11 | lenswipe | themill: so they managed to squeeze it out in the end did they? |
| 00:31.21 | themill | boomtish |
| 00:31.26 | lenswipe | :) |
| 00:31.51 | lenswipe | themill: http://www.go2linux.org/how-to-upgrade-from-debian-lenny-to-squeeze do those look like instructions that would be ok to follow? |
| 00:32.21 | themill | no, they're crap. the release notes were written for a reason |
| 00:32.25 | Arrowmaster | dpkg: tell lenswipe about lenny->squeeze |
| 00:32.41 | lenswipe | this IRC client isnt notifying me of PMs |
| 00:32.45 | lenswipe | im using irssi |
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| 00:34.07 | magicianlord | lenswipe: it is cool |
| 00:34.19 | magicianlord | i wonder how netbook can cost $250 and the battery for it costs $150 |
| 00:34.30 | lantanas | I have an Acer laptop and there's a physical button that turns the trackpad on or off. After turning it off and back on again, it ceases to work entirely. The linux on laptops website had no new ideas and synaptics doesn't have much in the way of potential solutions either. Anyone experience something similar? |
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| 00:35.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok i got a question |
| 00:35.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | why arn't all of your Gfs and wifes mad at you for staying on here during valentines day? |
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| 00:36.46 | magicianlord | lantanas: try the function key combo, the mouse setting, and the physical button |
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| 00:39.37 | lenswipe | themill: the release notes are telling me to remount /root and /usr with read and write perms, but when i try mount -o remount,rw /mountpoint i get the error: mount: can't find /root in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 00:39.41 | lenswipe | themill: any ideas> |
| 00:39.43 | lenswipe | ?* |
| 00:40.41 | Arrowmaster | you should only have to do that if you have them as seperate filesystems and mounted as read-only |
| 00:40.48 | lenswipe | oh right |
| 00:40.52 | themill | do you normally have ro-mounted partitions? |
| 00:40.54 | lenswipe | no im pretty sure i set them up as one disk |
| 00:40.58 | lenswipe | themill: no |
| 00:41.16 | themill | so they don't need to be remounted as rw |
| 00:41.19 | lenswipe | ok :)( |
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| 00:41.38 | lenswipe | themill: should i record a transcript of the upgrade as it suggests? |
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| 00:41.58 | themill | always a good idea. that's why it's suggested. |
| 00:42.02 | lenswipe | okay |
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| 00:44.02 | lenswipe | themill: it says in the release notes to add the squeeze repo to the bottom, but it complains of a duplicate entry in sources.list if i do... |
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| 00:44.38 | lenswipe | themill: http://openpaste.org/en/24775/ thats my sources.list |
| 00:45.04 | lenswipe | themill: can i just remove the lenny main contrib-nonfree at the top |
| 00:45.19 | themill | is that before or after adding squeeze to it? |
| 00:45.24 | lenswipe | before |
| 00:45.37 | themill | so you've already got squeeze there, don't you |
| 00:45.42 | lenswipe | no |
| 00:45.44 | lenswipe | oh |
| 00:45.59 | lenswipe | the one you're looking at right now |
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| 00:46.05 | lenswipe | thats the one that is throwing the error |
| 00:46.15 | lenswipe | themill: i havent added the squeeze line again, if thats what you mean |
| 00:46.36 | themill | lenswipe: you have duplicate entries for lenny-backports; it will have been throwing this message at you for a while. |
| 00:46.48 | lenswipe | it hasnt, oddly enough.... O_O |
| 00:47.24 | lenswipe | themill: oh, before i upgrade, i had issues with my graphics drivers and stuff and SATA controller drivers, i had to backport them, will i have to do this again? |
| 00:47.39 | themill | "had to backport them"? |
| 00:47.45 | lenswipe | yep |
| 00:49.24 | lenswipe | themill: i had to backport SATA drivers for my computer, so that debian would recognise my SATA controller |
| 00:49.30 | lenswipe | will i have to do that again after the upgrade? |
| 00:49.43 | themill | what exactly did you backport from where? |
| 00:50.03 | themill | did you just grab a kernel from backports.org? |
| 00:50.11 | lenswipe | themill: i grabbed that linux liveCD with a backported kernel to install debian |
| 00:50.19 | lenswipe | themill: i cant remember what its called, its a japanese thing |
| 00:50.24 | lenswipe | koyoto or something |
| 00:50.25 | Arrowmaster | kmuto |
| 00:50.28 | lenswipe | thats it |
| 00:50.35 | themill | lenswipe: what's "uname -r" say |
| 00:50.43 | lenswipe | 2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 |
| 00:50.47 | lenswipe | themill: ^ |
| 00:50.59 | themill | so that's the same kernel as squeeze |
| 00:51.02 | lenswipe | ok |
| 00:51.15 | simonrvn | so like, whatever |
| 00:51.37 | simonrvn | </valley girl> |
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| 00:53.09 | simonrvn | install, away! |
| 00:53.22 | simonrvn | stops |
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| 00:55.00 | simonrvn | (no one was laughing, so *shrug*). laughter is medicine, like our elders say |
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| 00:55.44 | streuner_ | hands everyone in channel laughing gas |
| 00:56.06 | lenswipe | laughs |
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| 00:59.23 | peterrooney | starts to panic |
| 00:59.33 | lenswipe | picks peterrooney up |
| 00:59.40 | lenswipe | takes peterrooney's batteries out |
| 00:59.45 | lenswipe | >:D |
| 00:59.50 | bamccaig | doesn't know what to do and bumps his head. |
| 00:59.58 | blast_hardcheese | bleh. NFS hung; I've got the backlog, but it's locking up every process that tries to access the NFS mount. |
| 01:00.06 | blast_hardcheese | Anyone have any ideas? |
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| 01:00.17 | blast_hardcheese | Here's the log from dmesg: http://blast.hardchee.se/pnopaste/?69 |
| 01:01.07 | lenswipe | themill: im not seeing those duplicate entries for lenny backports |
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| 01:02.21 | lenswipe | so... |
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| 01:02.35 | lenswipe | didnt wana miss any of the action while i switch clients |
| 01:02.51 | lenswipe | prods themill |
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| 01:04.44 | niriven | is it a best bet to install stable and just install unstable softare as needed? (eg. wine, eclipse for me). |
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| 01:05.33 | dvs | niriven: use backports instead |
| 01:05.46 | niriven | dvs, ok thanks |
| 01:05.51 | dvs | np |
| 01:06.02 | lenswipe | themill, you said i had duplicate entries for backports, im reallly not seeing them, where are they? |
| 01:06.05 | blast_hardcheese | Anyone have any ideas regarding my NFS issue? |
| 01:06.37 | blast_hardcheese | or is there any way I can kill nfsd without rebooting the machine? |
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| 01:07.30 | lenswipe | blast_hardcheese, /etc/init.d/nfsd restart maybe ? |
| 01:07.38 | lenswipe | blast_hardcheese, or invoke rc.d nfds restart |
| 01:08.12 | blast_hardcheese | lenswipe: I figured that'd interrupt all the operations that were hung |
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| 01:08.25 | lenswipe | blast_hardcheese, yes it would |
| 01:08.51 | blast_hardcheese | Crap, so there's no way to recover from this? |
| 01:08.54 | MrFrood | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:09.21 | MrFrood | oops sorry :( |
| 01:09.22 | lenswipe | blast_hardcheese, idk |
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| 01:10.21 | niriven | so the latest backport for wine is 1.0.1? |
| 01:10.56 | blast_hardcheese | lenswipe: Crap, alright. |
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| 01:23.21 | sdelic | <--Trying to install mysql-5.0 in ubuntu 10.10, apt-get wants to install 5.1, anyone have a clue how to force 5.0? |
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| 01:26.26 | Bushmills | ,versions mysql-5.0 |
| 01:26.26 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'mysql-5.0' was found in i386. |
| 01:26.57 | ZykoticK9 | sdelic, even Debian Stable has 5.1 |
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| 01:27.22 | ZykoticK9 | ,versions mysql-common |
| 01:27.24 | judd | Package mysql-common on i386 -- lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-backports: 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.49-3; wheezy: 5.1.49-3; sid: 5.1.54-2; sid: 5.1.55-1 |
| 01:27.34 | xuser | ,versions mysql-server |
| 01:27.37 | judd | Package mysql-server on i386 -- lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-backports: 5.1.49-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.49-3; wheezy: 5.1.49-3; sid: 5.1.54-2; sid: 5.1.55-1 |
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| 01:27.45 | xuser | ,versions mysql-server-5.0 |
| 01:27.48 | judd | Package mysql-server-5.0 on i386 -- lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny5 |
| 01:27.58 | Rienzilla | eww |
| 01:28.42 | Rienzilla | xenserver 5.5 doesn't like grub2 :( |
| 01:28.48 | Bushmills | if there is a ubuntu lenny, you could try that one |
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| 01:30.07 | Some_Person | latest ubuntu = maverick |
| 01:30.38 | Bushmills | do they choose different names just for confusion? |
| 01:32.19 | lenswipe | Bushmills, poke |
| 01:32.54 | lenswipe | Bushmills, http://openpaste.org/en/24776/ do you know why im getting a duplicate entry for that? |
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| 01:33.43 | Arrowmaster | lenswipe: there are two backports entries |
| 01:34.00 | lenswipe | Arrowmaster, um, but dont i need both of them? |
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| 01:34.09 | hardbop200 | hi everyone - how can I swap my capslog and ctrl key in a way that isn't dependant on x (i.e. xmodmap)? |
| 01:34.14 | Arrowmaster | lenswipe: no |
| 01:34.44 | Arrowmaster | lenswipe: you would remove the first one with just 'main' and keep the one with 'main contrib non-free' |
| 01:34.50 | lenswipe | Arrowmaster, does deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports lenny-backports main contrib non-free supercede deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports lenny-backports main |
| 01:35.00 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 01:35.03 | Bushmills | no idea. maybe because your brain told your fingers to type that entry twice? |
| 01:35.06 | Arrowmaster | since main in in both of them |
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| 01:36.11 | dondelelcaro | hardbop200: using setkeycodes or by making a custom keymap |
| 01:36.32 | hardbop200 | dondelelcaro: thanks, I'll check it out! |
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| 01:38.20 | mosno | squeeze's installer detected which non-free firmware was required on my system, but i skipped the installation of the firmware. now that the system is installed, how can i get debian to detect what firmware i need again? |
| 01:39.01 | mosno | also, why does grub have a nice splash screen when i run it in virtualbox on windows, but when i run debian on the bare metal, i get the old character-based grub? |
| 01:39.13 | lenswipe | Arrowmaster, ah right, i see i thought the spaces acted like directory seperators, rather than commas if you're with me |
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| 01:44.49 | lenswipe | Arrowmaster, its asking me what init scripts i want to restart or something |
| 01:45.01 | lenswipe | Arrowmaster, i have gdm, cups, cron and atd |
| 01:45.03 | lenswipe | is that okay? |
| 01:45.08 | Arrowmaster | whatever the defaults are |
| 01:45.21 | Arrowmaster | since youll be restarting the entire system soon anyway |
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| 01:46.58 | lenswipe | Arrowmaster, okay |
| 01:47.11 | bamccaig | Has anybody been having issues with ssh-agent? |
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| 01:48.53 | centaurus | nope |
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| 01:51.23 | tonytraductor | why is apache running on my system if I'm not running a webserver? |
| 01:51.48 | tonytraductor | and since it IS running, does this mean I COULD run a webserver (I have ddclient running with a domain name even). |
| 01:52.16 | Rienzilla | no, if it is running, it means you ARE running a webserver |
| 01:52.40 | tonytraductor | does this have something to do with installing php5 stuff I wonder... |
| 01:52.45 | Arrowmaster | probably |
| 01:52.50 | tonytraductor | makes sense. |
| 01:53.13 | lenswipe | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl8168d-2.fw for module r8169 |
| 01:53.13 | lenswipe | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl8168d-1.fw for module r8169 |
| 01:53.19 | lenswipe | is that something i need to worry about? |
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| 01:53.32 | tonytraductor | I'm going to google around and figure out how, then, I can set up an actual site somewhere here on my machine, since I have ddclient running, that shouldn't be hard, no? |
| 01:53.33 | lenswipe | and before you ask no i dont know what "module r8169" is |
| 01:53.46 | tonytraductor | I'd google that |
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| 01:53.51 | dvs | lenswipe: it's for a wired NIC |
| 01:53.57 | tonytraductor | or exalead.com or ask.com it. or something |
| 01:53.59 | lenswipe | dvs, oh shit. |
| 01:54.24 | lenswipe | dvs, does that mean networking will go to hell for me when i boot into squeeze? |
| 01:54.36 | dvs | lenswipe: if you're wired NIC is working, you don't have to worry about it. |
| 01:54.48 | lenswipe | dvs, its working now, but i havent rebooted yet |
| 01:54.58 | lenswipe | dvs, will it screw up when i reboot? |
| 01:55.00 | dvs | lenswipe: you upgraded the kernel? |
| 01:55.07 | lenswipe | dvs, i dont belive so... |
| 01:55.11 | Arrowmaster | lenswipe: probably not, i get those same exact messages since i have an rtl8169 nic too but mines a rtl8169a i think |
| 01:55.19 | lenswipe | Arrowmaster, okay |
| 01:55.25 | lenswipe | ok guys ima reboot |
| 01:55.29 | dvs | lenswipe: if it's working now then I wouldn't worry about it. |
| 01:55.30 | lenswipe | lets all think good thoughts |
| 01:55.37 | lenswipe | *sends happy vibes round the room* |
| 01:55.42 | niriven | does the installer have wpa_supplicant on it to connect to a wpa router? |
| 01:55.50 | lenswipe | oh |
| 01:55.53 | lenswipe | i forgot to dist-upgrade |
| 01:55.54 | dvs | niriven: no |
| 01:55.59 | niriven | :( |
| 01:56.17 | dvs | lenswipe: are you following the squeeze instructions to upgrade? |
| 01:56.52 | Arrowmaster | yes hes following the instructions from the release notes |
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| 01:57.26 | lenswipe | dvs, yes |
| 01:57.34 | dvs | lenswipe: then don't do dist-upgrade yet. Reboot first. |
| 01:57.37 | lenswipe | dvs, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 01:57.40 | lenswipe | dvs, oh shit |
| 01:57.49 | lenswipe | dvs, i ran it before reboot, does it matter? |
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| 01:58.17 | dvs | lenswipe: no critically. It just makes the package conflicts easier to manager. |
| 01:58.21 | dvs | *manage |
| 01:58.22 | lenswipe | ok |
| 01:58.34 | lenswipe | dvs, 564 upgraded, 554 newly installed, 41 to remove and 2 not upgraded. |
| 01:58.41 | lenswipe | dvs, ....i think i might be here a while... |
| 01:58.44 | lenswipe | *sigh* |
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| 01:59.06 | dvs | lenswipe: yea, the regular upgrade would do about half that amount |
| 01:59.19 | lenswipe | dvs, meh, oh well |
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| 02:13.50 | thewanderer1 | can't make headphones work on my Dell Inspiron N5010 |
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| 02:14.25 | thewanderer1 | have just compiled and installed the newest alsa from the repo (1.0.23) - no improvement |
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| 02:18.12 | OldParr | my machine with windows 7 has 3 pARTITIONS : #1 primary 524 Mb B, #2 primary 6 Gb, #3 primary 493 Gb, the debian installer does not has he option to share the disk with another o.s. how do i install debian |
| 02:19.01 | thewanderer1 | OldParr: read the installation manual, ok? |
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| 02:23.01 | dvs | hang on |
| 02:23.55 | thewanderer1 | hangs himself on The Paperclip |
| 02:23.56 | lenswipe | guys... |
| 02:24.05 | lenswipe | dvs, i have "The following Linux command line was extracted from /etc/default/grub or the `kopt' parameter in GRUB Legacy's menu.lst. Please verify that it correct, and modify it if necessary." |
| 02:24.12 | lenswipe | dvs, and a prompt under it and an ok button |
| 02:24.15 | lenswipe | what do i do? |
| 02:24.28 | dvs | lenswipe: click oK |
| 02:24.36 | lenswipe | dvs, okay |
| 02:24.43 | dvs | lenswipe: it just means that you specified something on the linux kernel option |
| 02:24.50 | lenswipe | ok |
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| 02:31.55 | [gnubie] | waves |
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| 02:32.42 | [gnubie] | how am i going to reduce the buffer and cache memory in my system? |
| 02:33.12 | thewanderer1 | [gnubie]: open the computer's case and rip out a memory stick... or two |
| 02:33.14 | dvs | [gnubie]: you don't. It gets reduced automatically as you load more programs |
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| 02:33.49 | [gnubie] | dvs: i need to reduce it as it affects the entire memory usage |
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| 02:34.01 | dvs | how? |
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| 02:34.15 | thewanderer1 | [gnubie]: http://linuxatemyram.com |
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| 02:35.32 | [gnubie] | thewanderer1: i know that but somehow, it affects my system |
| 02:35.41 | intok | Is there a PPC build of LXSplit? |
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| 02:35.57 | [gnubie] | dvs: given the below output of my "free -m" command: |
| 02:35.58 | OldParr | my machine with windows 7 has 3 pARTITIONS : #1 primary 524 Mb B, #2 primary 6 Gb, #3 primary 493 Gb, should i reduce the size of the partition with 493 Gb to install debian in there? |
| 02:36.00 | [gnubie] | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.01 | [gnubie] | Mem: 1678 1496 182 0 397 987 |
| 02:36.19 | thewanderer1 | [gnubie]: yes, have you read through the whole webpage? |
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| 02:37.06 | peterrooney | [gnubie]: you are complaining about a non-issue. |
| 02:37.32 | [gnubie] | thewanderer1: i know that one and that's what my understanding |
| 02:37.45 | [gnubie] | peterrooney: it's an issue to me |
| 02:37.47 | thewanderer1 | [gnubie]: therefore it's not affecting your memory usage... |
| 02:38.01 | thewanderer1 | [gnubie]: look at the line below, +/- buffers/cache |
| 02:38.01 | [gnubie] | sorry, but i am actually in an aws ec2 environment |
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| 02:38.09 | thewanderer1 | [gnubie]: that changes nothing |
| 02:38.11 | [gnubie] | my system goes unresponsive |
| 02:38.26 | [gnubie] | i've been monitoring and trying to look for the root cause |
| 02:38.26 | thewanderer1 | well, how do they account memory usage? |
| 02:38.38 | [gnubie] | the mem used |
| 02:38.55 | [gnubie] | and not the buffer/cached used |
| 02:39.08 | gh0st3r | I have two Debian boxes, each with a 1TB partition, there is a 1gbit connection between the two, i want one to be a primary fs and the other to be a secondary, i want it to mirror automagically the primary to the secondary |
| 02:39.19 | gh0st3r | what service can i use/ |
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| 02:39.22 | gh0st3r | ? |
| 02:39.36 | [gnubie] | i could be wrong but that's what i noticed on my system |
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| 02:39.57 | thewanderer1 | gh0st3r: drbd |
| 02:40.29 | thewanderer1 | [gnubie]: the cache is freed up when any application needs it, so it can not be the cause of any problems |
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| 02:41.05 | OldParr | my machine with windows 7 has 3 pARTITIONS : #1 primary 524 Mb B, #2 primary 6 Gb, #3 primary 493 Gb, should i reduce the size of the partition with 493 Gb to install debian in there, it does not matters if that partition is not marked as boot? |
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| 02:42.04 | max_sharpe | shouldnt matter. |
| 02:42.12 | max_sharpe | debian would install grub as a boot loader. |
| 02:42.23 | max_sharpe | I'm pretty sure that sounds right. |
| 02:43.22 | thewanderer1 | *some* partition is marked as boot right now |
| 02:43.35 | thewanderer1 | but the Debian's partition should be marked as boot I think |
| 02:43.45 | [gnubie] | thewanderer1: my application uses less than 100mb but buffer uses up the entire 1.7gb ram for my system.. |
| 02:44.05 | thewanderer1 | [gnubie]: yes, because it caches things. why is that an issue? |
| 02:44.11 | thewanderer1 | it makes it run faster... |
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| 02:44.23 | [gnubie] | thewanderer1: the system freezes |
| 02:44.35 | thewanderer1 | which system? |
| 02:44.38 | [gnubie] | as it starts to swap |
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| 02:44.49 | thewanderer1 | swap what?! |
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| 02:45.02 | [gnubie] | my instance at amazon |
| 02:45.10 | thewanderer1 | so... make it not swap |
| 02:45.11 | [gnubie] | running debian |
| 02:45.23 | thewanderer1 | it's Amazon who's swapping, right? |
| 02:45.33 | thewanderer1 | not the VM guest |
| 02:46.14 | [gnubie] | it's because the entire memory is used up as per "mem used".. i know that i have to base the memory usage on the buffer/cache used memory |
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| 02:46.33 | [gnubie] | thewanderer1: the vm guest, my running instance which is a xen domU |
| 02:46.40 | thewanderer1 | alright... |
| 02:46.48 | thewanderer1 | so when cache uses memory, it does not swap |
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| 02:46.59 | thewanderer1 | if it did, it would defy the purpose of cache anyway |
| 02:47.05 | [gnubie] | thewanderer1: it start to swap |
| 02:47.11 | thewanderer1 | your VM? |
| 02:47.14 | [gnubie] | thewanderer1: i know that |
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| 02:47.20 | thewanderer1 | well, have you checked? |
| 02:47.39 | thewanderer1 | it's highly unlikely that Linux starts to swap after it uses its cache |
| 02:47.49 | [gnubie] | thewanderer1: but, that's not what is happening now.. i've been monitoring my system for several weeks already.. i can't find the root cause until recently |
| 02:48.08 | thewanderer1 | looks like a bug in Xen to me... really bad memory accounting |
| 02:48.32 | OldParr | max_sharpe: were yiou talking to me? |
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| 02:48.59 | thewanderer1 | [gnubie]: do you have swap enabled in your VM? |
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| 02:49.56 | [gnubie] | thewanderer1: i can't just fire up a complain to amazon to fix their xen.. i posted this problem in their forum but i got no concrete answer from them on how to fix it.. and overtime, some users who also posted their complains about this issue |
| 02:50.10 | [gnubie] | thewanderer1: yes, i have a swap enabled |
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| 02:50.21 | rafuch0 | i am editong with edquota a file space for a user .... i want lets says a limitation of 50MB now i execute edquota user and i get this |
| 02:50.22 | rafuch0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.22 | rafuch0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.22 | rafuch0 | how do calculate how many blocks and inodes 50MB use? |
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| 02:50.41 | thewanderer1 | [gnubie]: so disable it and problem is solved |
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| 02:51.13 | pipeline | Rienzilla: one inode per file, each block is typically 4 kB |
| 02:51.25 | pipeline | whoops tab complete defeats me |
| 02:51.27 | [gnubie] | thewanderer1: that's it? |
| 02:51.44 | [gnubie] | tsk |
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| 02:52.02 | AndroUser | what would the default password be in a bootstrap? I forgot to set it in cheroot, and don't wanna have to reboot. |
| 02:52.39 | ranix | hey I have a stupid question. Or a smart question about doing stupid things. If I try to log in, and type my password as my username, and fail - where do I then delete the record of that nonexistent user attempting to log in so my password isn't sitting around somewhere? |
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| 02:53.02 | thewanderer1 | AndroUser: of course it's LetMeInPenguin... just joking, there is no default password - you need to set one before you can log on |
| 02:53.06 | pipeline | ranix: just change your password |
| 02:53.34 | AndroUser | okay, thanks |
| 02:53.35 | ranix | that's onerous and I can be certain I am the only user who has had access to this system since I did this stupid thing |
| 02:54.02 | thewanderer1 | ranix: so what's the problem if nobody can read the logs? :P |
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| 02:55.13 | thewanderer1 | rafuch0: 1 block seems to be 1KB, and inode is just an inode |
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| 03:02.03 | gnarface | hey people i'm trying to figure out how to pass a module parameter to a module and i can't find any examples. i've passed integer values to them before but modinfo for this says that the parameter's value must be "an adapter/address pair, (array type of short)" |
| 03:02.27 | dvs | gnarface: look in the /etc/modprobe.d directory |
| 03:02.31 | gnarface | can someone show me the syntax for passing an "array type of short" as a module parameter? i think i know the adapter address pair in question (sensors-detect tells me) |
| 03:02.43 | gnarface | dvs: i did. nothing in there has anything non-integer being passed |
| 03:03.12 | dvs | huh? |
| 03:03.26 | gnarface | dvs: run modinfo lm75 |
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| 03:04.20 | gnarface | modinfo lm75 has this line: "parm: force:List of adapter,address pairs to boldly assume to be present (array of short)" |
| 03:04.21 | LordVorp | is there a *real* way to get snmp mibs other than "wait, we discovered MIBs aren't "FREE" so you can just suck it." ? There's a link to a downloader script on GIT but that has no docs and doesn't work out of the box |
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| 03:04.35 | gnarface | so how do i pass "array of short" as a parameter? |
| 03:05.31 | LordVorp | gnarface: that would be a list of integers 0-65535, probably comma separated as that's normal for modules. |
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| 03:05.54 | diegoCapixaba | hi |
| 03:06.19 | LordVorp | gnarface: just guessing, but that would probably be something like: force=0x1234,0x2345 presuming you know the addresses |
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| 03:06.41 | LordVorp | gnarface: (and 4 byted, like 0xABCD, fit into a short) |
| 03:06.53 | gnarface | LordVorp: well i've been "just guessing" too but so far nothing has worked :-p, i need an example from someone who has actually done this |
| 03:07.09 | int0 | anyone wanna query me and talk about some basic configuration & installation of sendmail (?) |
| 03:07.12 | LordVorp | what are you trying to do? what does sensors-detect tell you? |
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| 03:07.39 | LordVorp | int0: sure, as long as you're using NOTsendmail. like postifx. or exim4. I forget which comes with debian by default but ... I hope you see the point |
| 03:07.55 | LordVorp | int0: I think it's exim that comes with deb |
| 03:08.06 | LordVorp | gnarface: what are you trying to do? what does sensors-detect tell you? |
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| 03:08.53 | gnarface | LordVorp: i'm trying to get around the fact the lm75 module doesn't auto-detect my sensor on load. sensors-detect finds it twice, and then i hear the fan spin up. it even tells me the memory address on each bus |
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| 03:09.21 | LordVorp | gnarface: just use the one bus? |
| 03:09.38 | gnarface | LordVorp: you're failing to understand the problem. |
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| 03:10.06 | LordVorp | ok but sensors-detect picks the system bus list & probes them all. |
| 03:10.20 | LordVorp | i'm suggesting that if you're loading the support modules for multiple busses |
| 03:10.21 | LordVorp | stop that |
| 03:10.23 | LordVorp | and just use the one |
| 03:10.27 | gnarface | *sigh* |
| 03:10.32 | LordVorp | not enough, eh? :) |
| 03:10.39 | gnarface | LordVorp: no, look you're still not understanding the issue |
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| 03:11.37 | gnarface | LordVorp: according to lm75's kernel doc page i need to pass the bus and address pair(s) to the module on load using the "force" parameter. i just need to know the syntax for doing that, as it is "array of short" which i can't find an example for |
| 03:11.43 | LordVorp | OK well then back to your original question: did you write down the address(s) of the lm75 as presented in the sensors-detect output? |
| 03:12.02 | LordVorp | cuz that's what you'll need to feed to the modprobe options for that module |
| 03:12.28 | LordVorp | if not, run sensors-detect again and grab that data |
| 03:12.43 | gnarface | LordLamer: yes, i have that info. 0x49 on both busses its detected on, the busses are "uni-n 1" and "uni-n 0" ... now how do i put that info in the form of "array type short" |
| 03:13.00 | gnarface | short is an integer |
| 03:13.05 | gnarface | 0x49 is not |
| 03:13.07 | LordVorp | lm75 force=0x49 |
| 03:13.09 | gnarface | neither is "uni-n 1" |
| 03:13.19 | LordVorp | 0x49 is an integer value represented as HEX |
| 03:13.54 | LordVorp | if force=0x49 doesn't work in the module options, then you can try 0x0049 to pad it out to a (2-byte) short integer. |
| 03:14.07 | gnarface | LordVorp: i tried that, in fact that was the very first syntax i tried. it neither works nor matches what the documentation says to do. its clearly neither a short nor an integer |
| 03:14.24 | gnarface | nor an array |
| 03:14.39 | LordVorp | you are absolutely wrong in thingkinx that 0x49 is not an integer value. all hex values are integers, unless you're dealing with an explicit float(). |
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| 03:14.53 | gnarface | LordVorp: have you actually done this yourself? |
| 03:15.15 | LordVorp | 0x49 hex == 73 decimal. |
| 03:15.24 | LordVorp | a "SHORT" integer is a 2-byte integer. |
| 03:15.31 | LordVorp | yes, for other chips |
| 03:15.33 | gnarface | LordVorp: i'm well aware of the fact that integers can be represented as hex values. that has nothing to do with what the docs say though. is not 0x49 is NOT of type "short" |
| 03:16.33 | gnarface | i could convert 0x49 from hex to int... that's easy, the int value is 73, which i also tried passing but that doesn't work either because i'm not passing it in array form, nor am i passing the bus number |
| 03:16.44 | gnarface | so here is what i need |
| 03:16.48 | LordVorp | well a one-byte value like 0x49 fits into a 2-byte short. and that was why I suggested possibly 0x0049, which is 2-bytes wide... |
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| 03:17.36 | gnarface | LordVorp: i don't think that this module does what other modules you've used do. it clearly says "force:List of adapter,address pairs to boldly assume to be present (array of short)" |
| 03:18.00 | gnarface | if it were javascript, i'd know how to pass an array |
| 03:18.24 | gnarface | it would be modprobe lm75 force=[0,75] |
| 03:18.38 | gnarface | (assuming the bus id was 0, which it is not and i still need to know the bus id as well) |
| 03:18.43 | _jesse_ | I'm having some trouble taking a recording via webcam; is there any other recommended package than cheese? |
| 03:18.47 | _jesse_ | cheese seems to hate me for some reason |
| 03:19.02 | gnarface | _jesse_: i like ffmpeg for that stuff |
| 03:19.51 | mosno | with libvirt on squeeze, if i add my hosts smbus controller as a physical device to the guest, can windows use this to read the oem bios? |
| 03:19.56 | gnarface | _jesse_: something like this: ffmpeg -f video4linux2 -s 640x480 -r 30 -i /dev/video1 -f ogg - |
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| 03:20.21 | _jesse_ | gnarface: I need to see what I'm recording though |
| 03:20.56 | gnarface | _jesse_: well that pipes to standard out, you can do anything with it... ffmpeg -f video4linux2 -s 640x480 -r 30 -i /dev/video1 -f ogg - |mplayer -nosound -cache 32 -noconsolecontrols - |
| 03:20.57 | _jesse_ | ideally at least, I guess I could keep re-taking |
| 03:21.11 | LordVorp | gnarface: i'm looking at the module source, and it doesn't seem to have cmdline parameter support |
| 03:21.14 | gnarface | _jesse_: you could pipe it to tee and send one copy to a file while you play the other copy |
| 03:21.32 | _jesse_ | gnarface: you're crazy; haha I'll give it a shot |
| 03:21.41 | gnarface | _jesse_: also, vlc does this stuff well if you can get around the configuration glitches (PITA) |
| 03:22.09 | LordVorp | so, no snmp MIB modules to be had in a "standard" fashion? |
| 03:22.16 | gnarface | LordVorp: then where is modinfo getting this dump of parameters? |
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| 03:22.36 | gnarface | LordVorp: check the output of "modinfo lm75 |
| 03:22.39 | LordVorp | k |
| 03:23.04 | davetoo | um, |
| 03:23.07 | davetoo | ok, I think I have a problem :) |
| 03:23.20 | _jesse_ | gnarface: I'll give ffmpeg a shot first; thanks for the pointers |
| 03:23.29 | davetoo | /var/log/daemon.log and syslog are both full of 63GB worth of cnid_metadb errors |
| 03:23.30 | gnarface | _jesse_: np, good luck |
| 03:23.53 | davetoo | I am currentyl trying to figure out what cnid_dbd is, and what's using it |
| 03:24.14 | davetoo | (and currently forgetting how to type) |
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| 03:25.56 | gnarface | _jesse_: fyi don't use my ffmpeg parameters verbetim... youll need to set at least whatever device, frame rate and resolution is appropriate for your camera... cameras tend to be picky about such things |
| 03:28.02 | gnarface | LordVorp: the only other info i have came from the kernel docs for the module: Documentation/hwmon/lm75 (which if you read you'll see clearly mentions i will have to use force= but doesn't give me an example of the syntax that modinfo claims it requires) |
| 03:28.21 | gnarface | i think the assumption here is that everyone should already know that but i've never passed an array to a kernel module |
| 03:28.27 | LordVorp | gnarface: More google sez, your param should be "force=0x49", and say "force=0x49,0x59" if there was more than one |
| 03:28.35 | heg | gnarface: try #bash, i am sure they know the answer |
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| 03:29.00 | gnarface | LordVorp: but that doesn't pass the bus number like modinfo says?.... |
| 03:29.06 | davetoo | heh |
| 03:29.16 | _jesse_ | gnarface: yeah believe the framerate is too fast for it; seems to record 1/4 of what it should at 4x the speed |
| 03:29.27 | davetoo | I think maybe I killed the box with nmap |
| 03:29.38 | davetoo | anybody know what cnid_dbd/cnid_metadb is about? |
| 03:29.57 | davetoo | seems to be related to netatalk |
| 03:30.01 | gnarface | LordVorp: you got a link? |
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| 03:30.16 | simonrvn | davetoo: comes from netatalk. next time try dpkg -S foo or dlocate foo (locate for debian packages, not installed by default) |
| 03:30.21 | LordVorp | gnarface: mine sez, ...SIS96x SMBus adapter at 0x10c0 (i2c-0). is there a hex value before your symbolic bus name, in the output? |
| 03:30.33 | davetoo | I'm booted in single-user mode right now |
| 03:30.40 | davetoo | thanks |
| 03:30.48 | davetoo | my deb-fu is very weak |
| 03:30.53 | simonrvn | np. just remove the rc2.d symlink |
| 03:31.02 | simonrvn | it won't start then ;) |
| 03:31.18 | davetoo | wow |
| 03:31.20 | davetoo | this is impressive |
| 03:31.32 | LordVorp | gnarface: here's one, there's an example of usage on a kernel cmdline, serach for 'force': http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=72845&sid=b873fb314241119eb318e448995ed72b |
| 03:31.34 | dvs | insserv! |
| 03:31.36 | gnarface | _jesse_: i've found that webcams tend to be notoriously shady about framerates/resolutions. the max framerates they claim to support often are not supported at their max resolutions or color depths, also your kernel driver for the webcam may not support the device 100% |
| 03:31.39 | davetoo | 128GB of syslog messages in a day |
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| 03:31.52 | gnarface | LordVorp: thanks |
| 03:32.14 | simonrvn | i use that when i need something to not start (emergency use). dvs, i haven't figured out how to use that yet. there doesn't seem to be any interface for it. |
| 03:32.39 | gnarface | yea i'm curious how that works too |
| 03:32.53 | gnarface | rc?.d symlinks ... are they deprecated now or what? |
| 03:32.56 | dvs | it's new to me too. I'd like to learn it someday? |
| 03:32.58 | davetoo | It may have to do with my mucking with nsswitch.conf after I set up BIND :) I set hosts to dns only and I think that broke a lot of stuff |
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| 03:33.30 | davetoo | still hasn't gotten his brain around 'alternatives' |
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| 03:33.47 | LordVorp | davetoo: hosts needs a 'files' entry too |
| 03:33.51 | LordVorp | otherwise /etc/hosts isn't read |
| 03:34.12 | davetoo | LordVorp: I think I just demonstrated to myself why that's very important :) |
| 03:34.29 | simonrvn | gnarface: nah, still useful. though i hear solid rumours about systemd |
| 03:34.35 | LordVorp | mine says, and there aer entries here I don't get: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
| 03:34.50 | LordVorp | whereas my experience would have it: hosts: files dns |
| 03:35.33 | davetoo | I have never quite figured out the NOTFOUND stuff; ' |
| 03:35.34 | simonrvn | mdns4* is for 168.254.x.x addresses, with avahi stuff |
| 03:35.46 | simonrvn | man nswwitch.conf |
| 03:35.55 | simonrvn | nsswitch.conf* |
| 03:35.57 | davetoo | sure; |
| 03:36.13 | davetoo | I think I *used* to have it figured out, years ago, |
| 03:36.20 | davetoo | probably when I was trying to do NIS+ |
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| 03:36.53 | LordVorp | davetoo: well try setting: hosts: files dns and see if it gets sane |
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| 03:38.39 | davetoo | aye |
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| 03:40.55 | LordVorp | gnarface: a note: all the examples I've seen have: .force (notice the leading '.') and another one sez: lm75.force=-1,0x48, again the '.' |
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| 03:43.01 | LordVorp | OH EXCESSIVELY-ANAL DEBIAN ADMINS, WHERE ARE MY SNMP MIBS? |
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| 03:44.37 | LordVorp | AND WHY, IF YOU HAVE TO REMOVE THEM, WON'T YOU TELL ANYBODY WHERE THEY ARE? |
| 03:44.41 | LordVorp | </rant> |
| 03:44.54 | davetoo | hahah |
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| 03:50.47 | simonrvn | LordVorp: there's a package to download them all |
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| 03:51.01 | simonrvn | LordVorp: licensing issues :/ |
| 03:51.13 | karlpinc | simonrvn: You forgot to add: BWAHHHAAH! |
| 03:51.15 | simonrvn | snmp-mib-something IIRC |
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| 03:51.39 | simonrvn | karlpinc: hehe, i'm not an 'admin' with debian, i can't ;p |
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| 03:52.31 | simonrvn | LordVorp: it's called a README.Debian ;) |
| 03:54.51 | LordVorp | simonrvn: I believe I covered that: "EXCESSIVELY-ANAL". I also believe I mentioned that snmp-mib-downloader-mumble from GIt doesn't work. or have docs. |
| 03:55.08 | simonrvn | from git? it's packaged already |
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| 03:56.10 | simonrvn | also, don't you know admins are anal anyway, not just debian ones? :P |
| 03:56.12 | LordVorp | I never thought I could possibly say this: I think I'm gonna switch to Ubuntu for servers, because when I want to use something, All I have to say is "apt-get install foo" and it "just works." That's not true anymore for deb. |
| 03:56.33 | simonrvn | *blink* |
| 03:57.11 | LordVorp | simonrvn: there's "I'm anal about any changes cuz I don't trust you not to break things." Then there's "Somebody somewhere said they owned this free software...RUN AWAY!!! Make everybody ELSE run away!!!" |
| 03:57.15 | simonrvn | i'm sure the net-snmp maints didn't want to do that, but were forced to by the fricking licenses |
| 03:57.32 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 03:58.07 | LordVorp | as in, i'm not as impressed by "This is all CERTIFIED FREE!" when it's different from "This has all been tested and is known to work." |
| 03:58.15 | simonrvn | well, that downloader package does do the Right Thing, i've used it |
| 03:58.19 | LordVorp | I think I'm gonna stop bitching now. |
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| 03:58.33 | LordVorp | simonrvn: is that a squeeze thing? my lennys don't have mention of it |
| 03:58.54 | simonrvn | puts them in /usr/share/mibs IIRC, and then makes links and such |
| 03:59.00 | simonrvn | yes, squeeze |
| 03:59.33 | LordVorp | k |
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| 04:00.14 | simonrvn | it even got a few i didn't have already ;p |
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| 04:06.44 | humbolt | in lenny, which kernel do I use for xen dom0 and which for domU? |
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| 04:06.47 | humbolt | I am confused |
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| 04:08.17 | LemensTS | can you push the time to devices via DHCP, besides "option ntp-servers XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX" ?? Im on a network without internet |
| 04:08.28 | laidback_01 | humbolt, iirc the kernels are good for both now: vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 is how it's identified on my system and I've been using it for both domain U and 0 |
| 04:08.28 | LemensTS | They could user the dhcp servers time |
| 04:08.45 | buntunub | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:11.29 | humbolt | how do I get network and disks paravirtualized? |
| 04:12.02 | buntunub | all of that is in the link i sent you |
| 04:12.07 | buntunub | spells out the whole procedure |
| 04:12.27 | karlpinc | humbolt: Or use kvm. |
| 04:12.56 | buntunub | or virtualbox |
| 04:13.20 | buntunub | if you cant stand the Oracle stench of it |
| 04:13.57 | karlpinc | buntunub: Xen is beholden to MS these days I thought. |
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| 04:14.40 | laidback_01 | xen is beholden to MS? the Xen company is owned by Citrix... so far as I know they are a MS partner, not MS owned. |
| 04:15.23 | gnarface | LordVorp: force=3,0x49,4,0x49 appears to work in the sense that when i then run "sensors" it gives me temps instead of complaining that there are no sensors.... but the fan still doesn't kick on. when i run sensors-detect WITHOUT passing any parameters to lm75 first, the fan DOES kick on. any ideas on why that might be? i also tried the probe= option but that proved useless |
| 04:15.33 | karlpinc | laidback_01: Citrix exists at the whim of MS. But we should take this to #debian-offtopic and I don't have time right now. |
| 04:15.44 | buntunub | MS has put alot of work into the Xen Hypervisor and making it play well on windows |
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| 04:16.48 | karlpinc | buntunub: And to suck the Xen developers time. |
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| 04:16.57 | froggyman | How do I switch my current install from Squeeze to Testing? |
| 04:17.20 | buntunub | change your sources to wheezy |
| 04:17.24 | laidback_01 | and I don't know. I don't really care either. Xen work well for me. VirtualBox works well. I've paid money for VmWare. it works well. i've paid for Crossover, donated to linux mint, bought windows, etc. They are all tools. Doens't matter who owns what. |
| 04:17.51 | gnarface | well... vmware works well for some values of "works" |
| 04:18.55 | karlpinc | laidback_01: Ah, you're one of the folks that does not care about standards or openness then, so eventually the time you put into developing skills for proprietary stuff will be wasted, because the product will go away. |
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| 04:19.19 | laidback_01 | Actually, I develop only in open source. |
| 04:19.30 | buntunub | hey its all good.. didnt Torvalds say Open Source works because everyone has an itch they need to scratch and contribute back to the code base by it |
| 04:19.30 | karlpinc | laidback_01: A Unix admin from 1974 has skills that would work today. |
| 04:19.39 | laidback_01 | I'm the only one at my hospital IT group pushing open standards... but make assumptions all you want ;) |
| 04:19.40 | froggyman | buntunub, that was easy... Thanks |
| 04:20.40 | peterrooney | LemensTS: isn't running an NTP server enough? nothing in rfc2132 says you can't run an NTP server on same machine as DHCP server. |
| 04:20.40 | karlpinc | laidback_01: Well then it's hard to see how that jibes with your "whatever works I don't care" statement. But ok. |
| 04:20.44 | laidback_01 | karlpinc, I use catalyst, perl, postgres, freebsd every day instead of windows, asp, ms sql server, and whatever else is there. |
| 04:21.12 | laidback_01 | karlpinc, you can have opinions and still have an open enough mind to choose the right tool for the job. I don't see how they are problematic. |
| 04:21.37 | karlpinc | laidback_01: Obviously the job must be done, yes. |
| 04:22.43 | laidback_01 | karlpinc, I've recently replaced a $75k software (dGate, Egate) with Mirth... at the horror of all my superiors and coworkers. This is opensource software... and (Oh my GOD), I've given them money in the hopes they will continue. We paid $5k for a documentation and video education course. |
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| 04:23.55 | laidback_01 | don't ever knock someone for choosing tools to get the job done. Ripping on Microsoft because they don't fit your personal idea of "what's good for this world" is just another way of saying "I've got my opinions, they are right, and anything that differs from them is absolutely wrong" |
| 04:24.00 | laidback_01 | anyway... |
| 04:24.28 | gnarface | does anyone have any idea why my laptop's fan would come on when sensors-detect probes the bus my temperature sensor is on but no amount of passing options directly to the module itself will make the fan come on at boot? |
| 04:25.35 | gnarface | anyone? |
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| 04:26.03 | laidback_01 | wait a little bit, someone who knows will see the question and answer. |
| 04:26.05 | gnarface | in fact, if i pass the right options to the module so it detects the sensors immediately, then not only does the fan not come on, but running sensors-detect stops making it come on too |
| 04:26.47 | laidback_01 | have you looked in your bios? it might be possible to lower the fan-threshold temperatures. |
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| 04:30.52 | LemensTS | peterrooney: its just package ntp for ntp server now right? |
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| 04:32.04 | peterrooney | judd: ,versions ntp |
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| 04:33.30 | gnarface | laidback_01: ppc mac. got no bios |
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| 04:33.42 | peterrooney | ,versions ntp |
| 04:33.44 | judd | Package ntp on i386 -- lenny: 1:4.2.4p4+dfsg-8lenny3; lenny-security: 1:4.2.4p4+dfsg-8lenny3; sid: 1:4.2.6.p2+dfsg-1+b1; squeeze: 1:4.2.6.p2+dfsg-1+b1; wheezy: 1:4.2.6.p2+dfsg-1+b1 |
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| 04:34.56 | peterrooney | ,info ntp |
| 04:34.57 | judd | Package ntp (net, optional) in squeeze/i386: Network Time Protocol daemon and utility programs. Version: 1:4.2.6.p2+dfsg-1+b1; Size: 436.3k; Installed: 1092k; Homepage: http://support.ntp.org/ |
| 04:35.19 | peterrooney | gnarface: there's #debianppc |
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| 04:38.56 | trump | hi, a 32bit binary is using /usr/lib/ but several 32bit libraries are in /usr/lib32/. Is there a method to let only that programm use another path? |
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| 04:41.33 | intok | Where can I get a PPC build of LXSplit? |
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| 04:43.34 | laidback_01 | intok, ask in #debianppc |
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| 04:44.43 | ranjan | Hi all |
| 04:45.06 | ranjan | i have downloaded the DVD of debian squeeze. |
| 04:45.21 | ranjan | but i dont have a dvd drive but i am on a network |
| 04:45.34 | ranjan | how can i install debian? |
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| 04:45.53 | ranjan | i have dvd drive on other machine |
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| 04:52.34 | Arrowmaster | ranjan: use the netinstall |
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| 04:53.08 | ranjan | Arrowmaster: for netinstall can i use the dvd for installation? |
| 04:53.37 | Arrowmaster | no the netinstall is very small and downloads the majority of the stuff while it installs |
| 04:53.40 | simonrvn | the netinst is not even a cd's worth of data |
| 04:53.52 | simonrvn | it's usually around 150-175 MB |
| 04:54.01 | ranjan | Arrowmaster: but it downloads from the internet isnt it? |
| 04:54.18 | Arrowmaster | the install guide has info on how to create a bootable usb stick to install from using either the netinstall or cd1 (i dont know if dvd1 can be used) |
| 04:54.21 | ranjan | i want to use the dvd which is placed on machine on the network |
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| 04:54.32 | karlpinc | ranjan: Not easily, but it's a lot eaiser than trying to use the dvd. (See the install guide. It probably has instructions for your situation, which you've not fully explained AFAICT.) |
| 04:55.14 | karlpinc | ranjan: Why? |
| 04:55.22 | ranjan | karlpinc: i have downloaded the 4.4GB debian squeeze DVD1 , but the machine i want to install doesnt have a dvd drive. |
| 04:55.52 | Arrowmaster | does it have a cd drive? |
| 04:55.54 | Rusty1 | pxe an option ? http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s05.html |
| 04:55.56 | karlpinc | ranjan: Does it have a cd drive or can it boot from usb? If so, use the netinstall image -- that's easiest.) |
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| 04:56.23 | karlpinc | Rusty1: He could download a debian-live cd and setup a pixeboot environment on his box with the dvd drive, but why? |
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| 04:56.40 | ranjan | karlpinc: yes, it have a cd drive and also i have a usb with debian buisiness card image bootable |
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| 04:57.48 | ranjan | karlpinc: i shared the dvd using http on another machine on my network and in the step where we want to specify the download mirror i specified my http server on the lan |
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| 04:58.08 | ranjan | but it starts the installation and tries to fetch some release.gpg and fails. |
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| 04:58.58 | karlpinc | ranjan: You need to follow the install guide. It may or may not be possible to use the dvd as a repostiory, but in any case you'll want to use a real repository too in case there's software you need that's not on the dvd. |
| 04:59.40 | ranjan | karlpinc: hm. |
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| 05:00.10 | ranjan | these setup i have done easily on redhat variants |
| 05:00.17 | ranjan | like fedora centos and redhat |
| 05:00.35 | karlpinc | ranjan: Downloading a dvd image is wasteful unless you don't have net access because there's lots of stuff on it that you won't be installing. That's why the netinstall is generally recommended. (And because you want the install to be left with a configured sofware source that's always going to be there and has everything.) |
| 05:01.06 | karlpinc | ranjan: There's plenty of ways to setup a local repo, but you need to read the instructions. |
| 05:01.15 | ranjan | ok |
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| 05:03.20 | karlpinc | ranjan: type "/msg dpkg mirror" or "/msg dpkg apt-cacher" to get started with the factoids about local caches. There may or may not be links to setting up a local repo with custom software in those factoids, but there surely is in the reference guide. |
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| 05:04.05 | karlpinc | ranjan: Also if you're new to debian you may find http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware a useful overview of available software that may not be installable in a default install. |
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| 05:12.19 | nvz | so I wanna allow S to ssh into my computer T so that I can SSH into computer S.. I've done this sort of thing for RDP before, but it doesn't listen on the same port as SSH.. |
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| 05:12.26 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 05:12.37 | nvz | so can someone give me a lil hint on what has to happen so I can ssh into S which is behind a firewall? |
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| 05:13.27 | johnfg | Lenny's had the warning triangle with exclamation point in it, pop up a couple of times this evening. |
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| 05:14.47 | johnfg | Where do I verify the address I have for multimedia? |
| 05:15.12 | nvz | johnfg: your address book? what the heck are you talking about? |
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| 05:16.20 | woonix | nvz: How are you able to tell S to connect to T in the first place? |
| 05:16.28 | woonix | since it is remote |
| 05:16.32 | johnfg | No, in /etc/apt/sources.list. The warning is saying something about the line I have for multimedia being incorrect. |
| 05:17.00 | nvz | woonix: I want T to connect to me (I can forward my SSH port, S cannot) and enable a tunnel that I can then SSH into S from |
| 05:17.10 | nvz | erm I want S to connect to me (T) |
| 05:17.21 | simonrvn | johnfg: should read like: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main non-free |
| 05:17.23 | simonrvn | deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main non-free |
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| 05:18.05 | johnfg | simonrvn, Or, in my case, lenny. |
| 05:18.13 | woonix | nvz: You can read about ssh port forwarding here: http://www.debianadmin.com/howto-use-ssh-local-and-remote-port-forwarding.html |
| 05:18.30 | simonrvn | do whatever you need to do ;). but i do suggest you upgrade to squeeze asap |
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| 05:19.08 | simonrvn | johnfg: our chan bot dpkg has a lot of info too |
| 05:19.32 | nvz | woonix: the big problem I have reading the docs is understanding what local and remote mean when I'm ssh'ing in out and back in again |
| 05:19.38 | nvz | heh |
| 05:20.03 | johnfg | Wonder why the rest of the repos run fine ( this is *not* a new system), but I get the error for multimedia. And my line is as it should be. |
| 05:20.22 | woonix | nvz: That's understandable. I can give you an example. |
| 05:20.56 | simonrvn | i was just on their site, and they still have 'oldstable' (lenny) there |
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| 05:22.07 | woonix | nvz: In this case, you want local port forwarding, not remote. Look at it from the perspective of the ssh client. You are sitting at machine S and say "I want my local port 22 to be available to the other end of the tunnel" |
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| 05:23.39 | woonix | I'm double checking here before I give you my example so I dont' confuse myself |
| 05:24.26 | nvz | woonix: yeah the scenario is that I have access to my router, my friend doesnt.. he needs help.. so all I can do is forward my port, let him SSH into a dummy account to setup a tunnel, then SSH back into him bypassing his router |
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| 05:25.43 | nvz | I do this often with RDP but the tunnel through SSh is straigh point to point over port 22, and then the 5900 RDP is over that.. its where I got two servers both running SSH going all homo on one another that confuses me |
| 05:25.51 | nvz | I assume I have to change the port on one of them |
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| 05:28.03 | woonix | I had myself confused before and I think it's actually remote port forwarding that you want, so if you did ssh user@hostB -R 22:x.x.x.x:2222, then when someone on the other end of the pipe connected to port 2222 on hostB, it would really connect them to port 22 on x.x.x.x. |
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| 05:28.47 | nvz | so in your scenario I would be changing my port to 2222, I'll give that a shot.. |
| 05:28.53 | woonix | The reason you'd have to make it something like 2222 is you probably would not be able to redirect the remote port 22 because either something would already be listening on that port or you'd have to be logging in with a root account for anything under port 1024 |
| 05:29.27 | nvz | oh really? I was trying this before but with port 24 and it wasnt working at all |
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| 05:30.39 | woonix | yeah, ports < 1024 are considered privileged |
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| 05:31.50 | nvz | woonix: I recall that now that you mentioned it.. its like a posix standard or something.. and I'm certified.. just goes to show how little those things mean |
| 05:32.19 | nvz | don't really gotta know your shit to pass a cert exam.. haha.. I didn't study one bit for either of them.. |
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| 05:32.56 | woonix | depends on the exam, I think. I heard the Redhat one is not easy because you actually have to perform tasks in a lab. |
| 05:32.59 | gnarface | peterrooney: i've had this problem for years, not just with debian either. its never worked properly in linux. nobody in #debianppc seems to have ever installed linux on one of these macs though, they're of no help |
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| 05:41.12 | cantido | theres are reason SSH etc run on ports < 1024 and you shouldn't move it to something users can bind ;) |
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| 05:41.32 | cantido | gnarface: I cant find your question in the scrollback.. what problem/what mac? |
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| 05:43.39 | gnarface | cantido: series 1 titanium powerbook (500mhz) the fan doesn't come on unless i run sensors-detect, but though passing the relevant busses/addresses probed directly to the module (modprobe lm75 force=3,0x49,4,0x49) does appear to make the temperature sensors work on boot, it does NOT make the fan come on... that only happens when running sensors-detect to probe them, and then ONLY if i have NOT already passed the addresses to the |
| 05:43.39 | gnarface | lm75 module |
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| 05:44.01 | gnarface | cantido: also i tried to pass the same info to the probe= option instead of the force= option but that didn't do shit |
| 05:44.42 | cantido | have you tried fancontrol once you've probed the modules? |
| 05:44.58 | cantido | Those powerbooks are weird.. like if the battery goes they go totally dead |
| 05:45.40 | gnarface | yes, it says to run pwmconfig first, which when run says that there are no pwm-capable sensors or something like that (regardless of whether i've set the force= option to make temperatures show or not) |
| 05:46.23 | gnarface | my guess is these are trivial bugs in the configuration or the software that haven't been fixed in the last 7 or so years simply because i'm the only one stupid enough to still be using one of these laptops |
| 05:46.38 | cantido | haha, I know that feeling |
| 05:47.04 | gnarface | if i pass the right options to force=, then running 'sensors' does work, and show temps |
| 05:47.13 | cantido | I got an SH4 machine.. recent kernels still have "support" but they dont boot, people have moved the support code around and not tested in on the hardware.. doh |
| 05:47.32 | cantido | gnarface: the fan kicks in when you run sensors too? |
| 05:47.40 | gnarface | nope |
| 05:47.54 | cantido | but it does with sensors-detect? |
| 05:47.57 | gnarface | fan ONLY kicks on if i run sensors-detect, and then ONLY if i have NOT already used the force= option on the module parameter |
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| 05:48.39 | gnarface | though if i HAVE applied the force= option, sensors-detect DOES mention that i have, and lists the correct sensor without probing it (which is why the fan doesn't come on in that cse, i think) |
| 05:49.23 | gnarface | but what i don't know is what sensors-detect is doing differently when it probes the bus that i can't do by passing the proper parameters to the lm75 module at boot time (or any time after) |
| 05:49.27 | gnarface | that's the puzzle |
| 05:49.41 | cantido | mmm I'd try and work out what sensors-detect is doing.. maybe when it probes the sensors its writing some register that is left out otherwise |
| 05:50.33 | gnarface | i thought if i could figure out the correct syntax to pass to the module that would fix it, but it only fixed half the problem (the part where temperatures weren't showing up) |
| 05:50.33 | gnarface | anyway. i'm gonna go watch farscape reruns. i'll come back to scroll back in case anyone has any other ideas |
| 05:51.06 | cantido | I did run debian on a similar powerbook though. And I can't remember having any issues.. |
| 05:51.32 | cantido | I think it was a 500mhz model.. but I don't have it anymore. :/ |
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| 05:59.45 | ranjan | hi all, just now i managed to make the dvd as local mirror, and now using pxe installation, but unfortunately my harddisk is not detected :( |
| 05:59.53 | ranjan | any solution? |
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| 06:11.27 | mosno | how can i figure out why my squeeze install doesn't have the cool grub splash? |
| 06:11.50 | oOarthurOo | mosno, have you installed desktop-base? |
| 06:12.07 | mosno | oOarthurOo, yes |
| 06:12.24 | oOarthurOo | mosno, and you have a grub timeout of greater than 0? |
| 06:12.47 | mosno | oOarthurOo, the only thing i can think of is because i had two monitors plugged-in (one native laptop display, one D-SUB external) during install |
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| 06:13.09 | mosno | oOarthurOo, yes, whatever the default is |
| 06:13.18 | mosno | oOarthurOo, i see a text-based menu for a second or two |
| 06:13.57 | mosno | oOarthurOo, i basically did a text-based expert install (so i could do ext4/LUKS/LVM) but the rest is standard (ie. GNOME via tasksel during install) |
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| 06:15.07 | oOarthurOo | mosno, the text based shouldn't matter. That's how I always install. Did you install minimal then build up, and if so have you called update-grub since installing the desktop-base package? Oh, and you're on squeeze? Because that's what my questions have assumed |
| 06:15.36 | mosno | oOarthurOo, no, i let the debian installer select the default tasks (desktop env, laptop, standard system) |
| 06:15.47 | mosno | oOarthurOo, yes, debian 6.0.0 amd64 netinst |
| 06:16.51 | mosno | oOarthurOo, should i run update-grub? do you think the external monitor affected the install? |
| 06:16.54 | oOarthurOo | mosno, interesting. Well.. I'd be happy to take guesses and help you troubleshoot it somewhat, without any promises. Or you can just sit tight as 99% of the people on here know 999% more than me, so could offer an answer to your question in a second if we don't clutter up the screen :) |
| 06:17.48 | anddam | can 6.0 run on 2.6.18 ? |
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| 06:17.52 | oOarthurOo | for instance, does this show a commented line: cat /etc/default/grub | grep TERMINAL |
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| 06:18.44 | mosno | oOarthurOo, yes, commented |
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| 06:18.57 | mosno | oOarthurOo, ps. lol |
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| 06:20.01 | shirish | does anybody know of a good photo-editor (simple and *not* gimp) |
| 06:20.10 | drexl | hello, I'm wondering how to mount my floppy drive. udisks --mount /dev/fd0 works but it mounts it as root only. |
| 06:21.42 | anddam | shirish: I doubt good and simple go togheter |
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| 06:22.25 | oOarthurOo | mosno, that's strange... this is the first time I haven't found a readme.Debian file under /usr/share/doc |
| 06:22.26 | anddam | drexl: if you add it to fstab with user option then you can mount it as an user and the user will be the owner |
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| 06:22.56 | shirish | anddam: true, ok another attempt at query, I'm looking for a software which can take my screenshot and I should be able to highlight some parts of this and do it easy understandable manner, any ideas ? |
| 06:22.57 | oOarthurOo | for grub-pc obviously... oh wait... clean install, amd, squeeze, yeah, you've got to be on grub2 aka grub-pc |
| 06:23.03 | drexl | /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto noauto,sync 0 0 |
| 06:23.08 | mosno | oOarthurOo, it's obviously not a showstopper, but i was sad to see that it wasn't a pretty boot. but i have bigger issues (virtual console mangled printing, probably due to the external monitor) |
| 06:23.14 | anddam | shirish: not on debian, sorry |
| 06:23.22 | anddam | shirish: btw that wouldn't be photo editing |
| 06:23.34 | mosno | oOarthurOo, yeah, grub-pc |
| 06:24.00 | oOarthurOo | mosno, a second change is to do with pretty graphics during boot. adding nomodeset to the boot line resolves a lot of those problems, and can't do any harm as a one-off experiement |
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| 06:24.31 | shirish | anddam: right, so what would/should it be called ? |
| 06:24.44 | oOarthurOo | mosno, do you have an older nvidia card? |
| 06:24.48 | Eliotim | hi guys how can i set a variable with the output of a given command? |
| 06:25.14 | drexl | anddam: /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 vfat,msdos rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 06:25.15 | woonix | FOO=$(ls) |
| 06:25.16 | mosno | oOarthurOo, ATI RV710/730 apparently. i swear i had both Intel and ATI graphics in this laptop... |
| 06:25.16 | oOarthurOo | mosno, that's what I see complaints most frequently associated with |
| 06:25.34 | anddam | shirish: I guess just "drawing" |
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| 06:25.59 | anddam | drexl: can you mount it? |
| 06:26.28 | shirish | anddam: hmm.... nope, not really drawing, no. |
| 06:26.29 | oOarthurOo | mosno, hmm.. here's a possible solution, https://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.maint.boot/browse_thread/thread/33f95923e94ea196?hl=bn&pli=1 |
| 06:26.31 | drexl | anddam: only with udisks --mount /dev/fd0 |
| 06:27.05 | mosno | oOarthurOo, aah i remember something about missing firmware. one was for my wifi, not sure what the other was for... |
| 06:27.20 | drexl | anddam: it only mounts as root with this command but not at boot time. |
| 06:27.22 | anddam | drexl: can't help, having not seen a floppy disk in years |
| 06:27.26 | oOarthurOo | the bug report says that once you install the firmware for your card, you life should become much better. |
| 06:27.37 | drexl | anddam: no doubt |
| 06:27.54 | oOarthurOo | mosno apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-ati && apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd && apt-get install install firmware-linux |
| 06:28.12 | drexl | I need to boot ms dos |
| 06:28.18 | anddam | drexl: I don't even know udisks |
| 06:28.21 | oOarthurOo | mosno, keep in mind, I'm guessing and just trying to help troubleshoot here. Read the bug report if you doubt me (as you should!) |
| 06:28.29 | mosno | oOarthurOo, i should have taken the extra 5min to do it, since there's probably a whole bunch of automagic that d-i would have done, that i now have to do manually, right? |
| 06:28.40 | mosno | :( |
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| 06:28.56 | drexl | anddam: I think it has something to do with org.freedesktop |
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| 06:29.25 | oOarthurOo | mosno, no. the d-i doesn't have any non-free firmware on the discs. If this stuff is in non-free you'll have to add "contrib non-free" to the end of each line in /etc/apt/sources.list then aptitude update before trying to install |
| 06:29.54 | mosno | oOarthurOo, yeah, i mean i should have taken the step to make the supplementary firmware CD |
| 06:29.59 | oOarthurOo | mosno, you won't find this on the cd's you installed. There's a quasi official netinst cd with the non-free stuff built in, for future reference |
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| 06:30.41 | oOarthurOo | mosno, funny story, I tried that. It failed. I had to enable non-free anyway. That extra cd can't just be added when prompted for additional discs during the install. |
| 06:31.03 | oOarthurOo | you'd have to (guessing!) apt-cd-add or some such after install |
| 06:31.07 | mosno | oOarthurOo, ok. adding those packages now. so you think once i add them, just reboot and see? or do i have to regenerate grub somehow? |
| 06:31.30 | oOarthurOo | no, regenerate grub should't be necessary.Reboot should do it, if missing firmware is the cause |
| 06:31.48 | mosno | oOarthurOo, brb 5min |
| 06:32.07 | oOarthurOo | woa... long reboot |
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| 06:32.22 | oOarthurOo | install readahead-fedora :P |
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| 06:34.30 | mosno | oOarthurOo, okay, those packages helped the garbled virtual console (thanks!)... but grub is still ugly |
| 06:35.30 | mosno | oOarthurOo, could it be because i did a targeted initrd? |
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| 06:35.47 | mosno | oOarthurOo, ie. where d-i asks you to choose a generic or targeted initrd |
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| 06:38.23 | oOarthurOo | mosno, interesting... I've really no idea. I bothered with the expert install once and ended up with a virtually useless install. Couldn't boot if I recall correctly. There is a command to update-initrd IIRC.. that by default should switch that "targeted" to a generic. If you'd like to try that out. |
| 06:38.34 | mosno | oOarthurOo, ok. thanks |
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| 06:39.20 | cantido | wonders what the advantage of a targetted initrd would be |
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| 06:39.56 | oOarthurOo | cantido, perhaps if you don't want to build a kernel without an initrd, but still hate wasting those few kilobytes of HD space? |
| 06:40.09 | mosno | cantido, i regret it now :) |
| 06:40.12 | cantido | oOarthurOo: you still have all the modules |
| 06:40.16 | oOarthurOo | I exagerrate... it's probably at least a few MBs |
| 06:40.43 | cantido | oOarthurOo: you would save maybe a meg or something having a copy of some module in the initramfs.. ;) |
| 06:40.47 | oOarthurOo | cantido, then I can't think of one and don't care to google it. But would happily read any explanation |
| 06:41.01 | oOarthurOo | :) |
| 06:41.09 | cantido | maybe if your bootloader is shitty and cant load that much |
| 06:41.38 | oOarthurOo | On non-encrypted systems I do without them, but i'm running a fully encrupted laptop now and am currently looking into whether I can get away without the initrd |
| 06:41.58 | cantido | has had problems with the targetted (I think?) setting not including modules needed to boot heh |
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| 06:42.24 | cantido | mmm you need userland tools to get the encrypted block device configured |
| 06:42.28 | cantido | so a bit of a catch 22 |
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| 06:43.48 | cantido | oOarthurOo: there is that cpio inside the kernel image thingy |
| 06:44.04 | oOarthurOo | That's what one fellow on the mailinst lists said too... and I was googling looking for a way to confirm. Probably not necessary now. :) |
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| 06:44.57 | cantido | oOarthurOo: you might be able to compile enough tools against klibc and include them inside a cpio in the kernel.. I might be talking out of my arse though ;) |
| 06:45.03 | nvz | I am having someone SSH into me, so I can tunnel back through and SSH into them, however it says that remote forwarding failed unless I put my server in debug mode.. |
| 06:45.12 | nvz | any ideas why that is? |
| 06:45.16 | cantido | I'm sure that was an option for platforms that didnt have initramfs support in their loaders |
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| 06:45.41 | cantido | nvz: it works with debugging turned on? |
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| 06:45.56 | nvz | cantido: yeah. I |
| 06:46.08 | nvz | cantido: I am currently SSH'd into the remote machine via the tunnel |
| 06:46.14 | oOarthurOo | It's somewhat trivial, since I suspend the computer more than I reboot, especially now that I'm on running ecrypted, which means stable rathter than testing/sid, so I'm quite happy simply doing an optimized kernel with an initrd. It was more about answering the question "can this be done?" |
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| 06:46.35 | nvz | cantido: however when I attempted to scp something back to me, it wouldnt let me of course cause my SSHd is in debug mode and only allows one connection |
| 06:46.37 | cantido | nvz: probably not what you want to hear.. but if the tunnel is going to be long term, is there any reason no to use openvpn? |
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| 06:47.11 | nvz | cantido: I don't know jack about openvpn and this is just something I do when people are alseep and he doesn't have access to his router to forward his damn SSH port |
| 06:47.17 | oOarthurOo | cantido, frankly, that is all a bit beyond me. I have my Greg's Linux Kernel in a Nutshell book and Stephen's woway websites as references. They get me a long way, but not quitre there. :) |
| 06:47.31 | intok | Are there any trusted repos worth checking out for squeeze? |
| 06:47.52 | cantido | nvz: a static key config can be setup in 5 minutes :) |
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| 06:48.32 | cantido | http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/miscellaneous/78-static-key-mini-howto.html |
| 06:48.53 | cantido | And you get nice things like openvpn reconnecting automagically should the tunnel die |
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| 06:49.52 | nvz | cantido: I'm reading up on it now.. just for future reference.. I solved his X issue, so now I can play with other options |
| 06:50.14 | cantido | oOarthurOo: I was tempted to try it.. I have a root disk that wont work unless I eject it and reinsert in right before the kernel boots.. if I had an initial environment I could possible eject the disk in software. My bootloader doesnt have initramfs support though |
| 06:50.24 | mischief | hello |
| 06:50.28 | mischief | i have a small problem... |
| 06:50.36 | nvz | cantido: can this be used in this scenario though? oh nm.. I guess _I_ need to run the server and he connects to me |
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| 06:50.47 | mischief | when i run aptitude, there is a missing shared library. when i run ldd on aptitude, it also says the library is missing. |
| 06:50.54 | cantido | nvz: one machine needs to be visible on the intawebs |
| 06:51.01 | mosno | why aren't my gvfs connections mounted under ~/.gvfs? |
| 06:51.10 | cantido | nvz: openvpn can travel through nat though.. so if SSH works openvpn should |
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| 06:51.39 | nvz | cantido: well we both have typical router appliances.. I jsut have access to mine to port forward, he does not.. |
| 06:51.57 | nvz | cantido: hence why we SSH two ways for me to do remote support. |
| 06:52.14 | cantido | nvz: yeah, you would just forward openvpns UDP port on your side and have his box connect |
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| 06:52.45 | cantido | if you have issues with UDP it will run over TCP too I think |
| 06:53.50 | mosno | hrm, i think i was missing gvfs-fuse package... logging out to test... |
| 06:53.59 | mosno | (damn X11-based IRC client) |
| 06:54.00 | cantido | I have a machine behind a resnet sort of setup that connects to a vps over openvpn and that vps forwards traffic on a public ip over the tunnel.. so it has a public ip :) |
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| 06:55.02 | nvz | cantido: I was reading howto on the openvpn website says its suppose to have a web config.. doesn't seem like I have that on this debian openvpn package |
| 06:55.07 | oOarthurOo | mosno that doesn't get loaded until well after grub |
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| 06:55.32 | mosno | nope, that wasn't it :( |
| 06:55.48 | oOarthurOo | try aptitude purge desktop-base && aptitude clean && aptitude update && aptitude install desktop-base |
| 06:55.59 | mosno | me? |
| 06:56.00 | oOarthurOo | that's an old windows trick, called "reinstall" :P |
| 06:56.26 | cantido | nvz: nah, you just drop a something.conf in /etc/openvpn and the init script will start all those configs for you |
| 06:56.32 | nvz | cantido: I'm not a real big network guru here.. this essentially creates a virtual network between the two machines but maintains their normal internet routes? |
| 06:56.41 | cantido | nvz: so you can have multiple tunnels.. the config is simple enough |
| 06:56.54 | oOarthurOo | mosno, yeah... normally I'd said it wouldn't do a thing, but *if* your external monitor did mess something up, and again, I'm not sure how it could, then perhaps reinstalling desktop-base without it around would help? |
| 06:56.58 | nvz | looks for examples in /usr/share/doc/ |
| 06:57.03 | cantido | nvz: yeah, you can push a new default route to client if you want.. but you don't have to |
| 06:57.24 | oOarthurOo | mosno, I'm really grasping at straws now btw |
| 06:57.31 | mosno | oOarthurOo, ah. i was actually talking about my gvfs issue now, but i might give that a shot sometime re. grub |
| 06:58.09 | mosno | oOarthurOo, although right now i think i'll just live with it and be slightly sad that my debian isn't pretty |
| 06:58.13 | mosno | at least it's functional |
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| 06:58.25 | nvz | cantido: well I just don't want it to effect the internet connectivity of either machine, and also need to vaguely understand it as far as what IP to connect to once the tunnel is up |
| 06:58.28 | cantido | nvz: that page I posted has all the config you need.. |
| 06:58.32 | mosno | wow, i spoke too soon (laptop screen is going crazy after switch from X11 to VC3 back to X11) |
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| 06:58.40 | oOarthurOo | mosno, spacefun isn't really that pretty anyway. change the default to 1 or 0 so that you don't have to see it at all |
| 06:58.42 | mosno | FML. |
| 06:59.08 | cantido | nvz: with a p-to-p tunnel like that you give one side x.x.x.1 and the other side x.x.x.2 or something.. and thats it |
| 06:59.10 | mosno | when i switch back to X11 i get a weird looking thing where the backlight gets brighter and brighter |
| 06:59.16 | cantido | nvz: theres no dhcp or anything |
| 06:59.17 | mosno | as if someone is showing an x-ray on a projector |
| 06:59.24 | mosno | and turning up the brightness until everything goes white |
| 06:59.35 | mosno | i hope that isn't damaging my laptop |
| 07:00.21 | nvz | cantido: yeah well I figure I should learn to use this, because I do this sort of thing from time to time, and this allows me to keep all configs and complex stuff on my end |
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| 07:00.32 | SNow | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-2.fw for module r8169 |
| 07:00.35 | SNow | how to solve this? |
| 07:00.38 | SNow | lenny -> squezee |
| 07:00.40 | nvz | cantido: the client needing remote support need only know how to bring up a VPN client which is simple enough |
| 07:00.44 | SNow | non free added @ apt sources.list |
| 07:00.56 | cantido | nvz: well, it also has the advantage that it works like a real tunnel and not just forwarding tcp traffic |
| 07:01.13 | cantido | nvz: for openvpn there are pretty windows and osx clients too ;) |
| 07:01.19 | nvz | cantido: that way I can easily add in RDP, SMB..etc.. as need arises.. |
| 07:02.04 | nvz | cantido: wait, this would tunnel all ports right? |
| 07:02.19 | nvz | makes it like they are on my LAN |
| 07:03.01 | cantido | nvz: SMB is a bit of a nightmare, all the broadcast would go over the tunnel.. |
| 07:03.10 | cantido | nvz: but NFS etc should work |
| 07:03.44 | cantido | nvz: you get a tun0 interface.. so you can basically do anything you would do with a normal nic |
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| 07:04.23 | Stargazers | Hi! |
| 07:04.43 | Stargazers | I have an IBM System x3550 M3 where is Intel Xeon 5600. Should I install i386 version of Debian? |
| 07:05.03 | Stargazers | Or ia64 |
| 07:05.06 | cantido | Stargazers: mmm I would check, you might be able to run amd64 |
| 07:05.13 | nvz | cantido: yeah in this case he's going to sleep now, but left the current ssh forward open.. if I can setup this openvpn from here, I can try some nfs shares |
| 07:05.13 | Stargazers | It is Intel? |
| 07:05.16 | cantido | Stargazers: ia64 is not for 64bit x86 machines |
| 07:05.25 | Stargazers | Oh. |
| 07:05.30 | Technicus | Hello Debianites, how do I configure: [ toggle window shade ] for responding to: [ mouse wheel ] on: [ titlebar ]; while using: [ Gnome desktop environment ] with the current stable? |
| 07:05.37 | nvz | cantido: nfs is way easier to setup.. and they're both debian machines, so.. |
| 07:06.02 | Stargazers | cantido: So amd64 might work on Intels too? |
| 07:06.20 | nvz | Technicus: I replaced metacity with sawfish.. makes life easier.. I'd recommend you do the same |
| 07:06.26 | cantido | Stargazers: yes, its called amd64 because amd invented it etc etc.. but intel x86 64 machines will run it |
| 07:06.38 | Stargazers | All right, I might try that then ) |
| 07:06.40 | cantido | ia64 is something totally different, rare, expensive, slow |
| 07:06.40 | Stargazers | :) |
| 07:06.49 | nvz | Technicus: sawfish packages in debian are kinda old, and don't as smoothly integrate with themes, but the WM is FAR more powerful |
| 07:06.50 | Stargazers | What is "ia" in the beginning of it? |
| 07:06.54 | Stargazers | Where it comes from |
| 07:07.07 | Technicus | nvz: Sure, I'm not familiar with it though. Definatly try it. |
| 07:07.10 | nvz | Technicus: if you like to change these sorts of things, sawfish makes it EASY to do |
| 07:07.27 | nvz | Technicus: apt-get install sawfish && apt-get remove metacity |
| 07:07.33 | cantido | Stargazers: ia32 is intel arch 32bit.. ia64 is intels 64bit Itanium range |
| 07:07.44 | Stargazers | Ok. |
| 07:07.47 | Stargazers | Thanks. |
| 07:08.00 | Stargazers | Well, I will try that amd64 version if that will work well on that machine. \o. |
| 07:08.04 | cantido | Stargazers: They arent compatiable, expect that ia64 can run i386 code in emulation |
| 07:08.15 | cantido | s/expect/except/ |
| 07:08.21 | nvz | Technicus: then login again, and you will be using sawfish.. middle click on the desktop to bring up the sawfish menu, goto configure -> bindings, choose the "title" context.. viola |
| 07:08.25 | Stargazers | Nice. |
| 07:08.44 | cantido | is surprised debian ia64 is still around |
| 07:08.52 | nvz | Technicus: sawfish's bindings are context based.. the same command (keyboard and/or mouse) can be bound to different actions based on the context of where the pointer is |
| 07:08.54 | Stargazers | Heh |
| 07:09.05 | Stargazers | Well, have to go and try to make that work. See ya \o. Thanks for help. |
| 07:09.16 | Technicus | nvz: AWESOME! |
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| 07:09.21 | cantido | nvz: openvpn is crazy useful.. multi client configurations are a bit more complex.. but they have a ton of examples |
| 07:09.38 | nvz | Technicus: you can even setup global context bindings like a shortcut that works anywhere to bring up your "sawfish-ui" so you can configure on the fly |
| 07:10.06 | nvz | cantido: it'd be easier if it had a web UI.. haha.. but I'm sure I'll get the hang of it |
| 07:10.06 | Technicus | nvz: This requires logging out? |
| 07:10.25 | nvz | Technicus: only so that it'll restart your gnome session and load sawfish instead of metacity |
| 07:10.40 | nvz | Technicus: you can do it without logging out but thats much easier |
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| 07:11.10 | Technicus | nvz: I would really rather not log out. |
| 07:11.23 | cantido | thinks web interfaces are fooking awful |
| 07:11.26 | Technicus | nvz: Unless I can save my window states. |
| 07:11.27 | nvz | Technicus: ok, well did you install the sawfish and remove metacity? |
| 07:11.39 | Technicus | Yes. |
| 07:12.06 | Technicus | is on the edge of his seat! |
| 07:12.08 | nvz | Technicus: killall metacity; nohup sawfish& |
| 07:12.13 | nvz | Technicus: should do the trick |
| 07:12.23 | nvz | if not, it'll make you WISH you logged out. heh |
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| 07:12.40 | nvz | Technicus: do that AS YOUR USER btw |
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| 07:13.34 | nvz | Technicus: the only indication its working would be the frames of your windows will have changed |
| 07:14.44 | Technicus | nvz: Well, it didn't work . . . but nothing freaked out. |
| 07:14.57 | Technicus | I shall be logging out. |
| 07:15.08 | nvz | Technicus: come again.. wanna talk more to ya.. heh |
| 07:15.24 | nvz | Something tells me he's gonna love matched windows |
| 07:15.28 | nvz | heh |
| 07:15.50 | nvz | I really wish there was some way I could get newer sawfish packages into debian.. |
| 07:16.08 | cantido | nvz: post a bug report.. |
| 07:16.11 | nvz | but considering I can't even figure out how to compile the damn thing, there isn't much I can do to help |
| 07:16.14 | cantido | maybe theres some reason |
| 07:16.57 | nvz | cantido: oh, I'm sure there is.. sawfish development halted for quite some time... around 1.3.x which is whats in Lenny, but its resumed and 1.7.1 is current stable IIRC |
| 07:17.14 | nvz | the newest in Debian is 1.5.x |
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| 07:17.25 | nvz | they've added all sorts of new hooks and tabbed windows..etc |
| 07:17.41 | nvz | Sawfish is the GUI power users dream |
| 07:17.57 | nvz | ION or such are great, but they are more for reluctant console users |
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| 07:20.22 | nvz | Hmm.. I wonder if that user is having trouble, or just doesn't plan on coming back.. |
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| 07:22.07 | nvz | Technicus: all working? |
| 07:22.22 | Technicus | nvz: Nothing seems to have changed. |
| 07:22.30 | Technicus | Well middle click does not prompt menu. |
| 07:23.01 | nvz | Technicus: are you sure you installed sawfish and removed metacity? |
| 07:23.25 | nvz | Technicus: if you did not remove metacity, then its still using it |
| 07:23.48 | nvz | Technicus: I get the feeling you will love sawfish.. since you asked about bindings and also mentioned window positioning |
| 07:23.50 | Technicus | nvz: I am double checking. |
| 07:23.58 | nvz | Technicus: sawfish also does "Matched Windows" |
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| 07:25.09 | Technicus | nvz: The shared files are still installed. Sawfish is installed. |
| 07:25.43 | nvz | if your windows look the same, then somehow or other metacity is still running |
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| 07:26.13 | Technicus | nvz: It is not installed and if I uninstall the commonfiles it will uninstall compiz. |
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| 07:28.50 | nvz | Technicus: ah.. you're using compiz.. that explains a lot |
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| 07:31.27 | nvz | Technicus: compiz is a window manager |
| 07:31.35 | nvz | quite an extensible one at that |
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| 07:32.08 | Technicus | nvz: I am using kwin at the moment. |
| 07:32.33 | Technicus | nvz: Sawfish does not seem to be willing to start. |
| 07:32.53 | nvz | Technicus: it is, just that its not set to, because compiz is default.. I didnt know you had that |
| 07:33.02 | nvz | Technicus: gconftool-2 --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager sawfish |
| 07:33.09 | nvz | Technicus: should solve that problem |
| 07:33.58 | nvz | Technicus: normally removing metacity does the trick, but you were not using metacity, you were using compiz |
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| 07:34.26 | Technicus | nvz: I'll try this again. |
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| 07:36.29 | nvz | Technicus: able to get to the sawfish-ui now? |
| 07:36.48 | Technicus | nvz: not happening. |
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| 07:37.35 | nvz | Technicus: killall compiz; nohup sawfish& |
| 07:37.54 | nvz | Technicus: should start it right now, but as for getting it to happen on login, that last command should have done it |
| 07:39.07 | Technicus | nvz: It indicates this: [ $ nohup: ignoring input and appending output to `nohup.out' ], but nothing. |
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| 07:39.33 | nvz | Technicus: yeah well that command is just suppose to run sawfish in the background |
| 07:39.42 | Technicus | nvz: Entheuasium is fading. |
| 07:40.17 | Technicus | nvz: How do I convince it to do anything? |
| 07:41.19 | Technicus | nvz: Nevermind, I have other thinks I must tend to. Thank you for your direction and assistance. |
| 07:41.22 | nvz | Technicus: you can run a custom session if need be.. which is what I used to do.. but it all depends on your preference. If you want compiz, then you can't really switch wm's in this case |
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| 07:42.19 | nvz | Its sad with all that compiz does eye-candy wise, that it doesn't have simple features |
| 07:44.43 | concon | Yeah, but that's what happens when you set design over function |
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| 07:45.54 | cantido | I prefer my environment to be snappy than spinning and fading shit all the time |
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| 07:50.37 | gnarface | know what would be my perfect window manager for compiz? enlightenment 0.16. emerald is dumb and don't even get me started on how useless "gtk-window-decorator" is |
| 07:51.14 | simonrvn | e17 performs better than compiz ;p |
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| 07:54.21 | cantido | is it not possible for other wm's to work with compiz? |
| 07:54.41 | cantido | i.e. implement some spec for compiz to operate? |
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| 07:56.45 | simonrvn | no. compiz is a wm |
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| 07:57.01 | simonrvn | just doesn't do the win decos o_O |
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| 07:57.46 | cantido | mmm I'll avoid that then.. kwin does have some compiz-ish effects though |
| 07:58.19 | simonrvn | so if you're running compiz, and wanna switch to another wm, you have to run --replace on the new wm (most have that nowadays), or pkill whatever; otherwm & |
| 07:58.31 | simonrvn | it has a compositor yes |
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| 07:59.09 | cantido | I've never understood why people want everything to fade in and out etc.. |
| 07:59.48 | cantido | It doesnt improve user interaction all that much and makes it feel like you're working with a system made from toffee |
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| 08:01.36 | anddam | can 6.0 run on 2.6.18 ?I'm asking because I've been told new udev needs a newer kernel but on a VPS I've installed 6.0 and I see this http://pastesite.com/21754 |
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| 08:01.55 | simonrvn | that's why gnarface mentioned gtk-window-decorator, that's the win deco "manager" (usually) meh, irssi locked up.... |
| 08:02.26 | cantido | anddam: if you dont use udev it should work.. |
| 08:02.27 | simonrvn | anddam: probably not, but you take your chances |
| 08:03.05 | anddam | simonrvn: how could it not work? |
| 08:03.30 | anddam | I mean how can I notice a malfunctioning? |
| 08:03.31 | simonrvn | it wouldn't work very well ;) |
| 08:03.37 | simonrvn | yes |
| 08:03.40 | cantido | anddam: what is the vps running on? |
| 08:03.45 | cantido | anddam: is it a shared kernel? |
| 08:03.46 | anddam | openvz |
| 08:03.50 | anddam | I guess so |
| 08:03.55 | cantido | ah, so you have no choice |
| 08:04.08 | anddam | I don't, but I have the choice to stay in 5.0 |
| 08:04.24 | cantido | that version number is a centos or rhel build I think to.. |
| 08:04.47 | simonrvn | 2.6.18 is etch |
| 08:04.49 | cantido | anddam: I cant see there being huge problems.. unless support for that kernel isnt in the glibc that is in 6.0 |
| 08:04.58 | cantido | 2.6.18-194.26.1.el5.028 |
| 08:05.07 | simonrvn | ah, yeh rhel |
| 08:05.26 | SPF | hmm, I have the same problem. I have a kernel with non-free drivers, 2.6.28. But a friend of mine said it was working in squeeze |
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| 08:06.15 | cantido | well udev is an issue if the version of udev doesnt like your kernel.. stuff like initramfs tools etc might be a problem too.. on a vps you dont have that issue though |
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| 08:06.56 | anddam | no I don't, the system is already starting from a prebuilt image |
| 08:06.58 | cantido | can you even run udev on openvz.. I didnt think the glorified jails were allowed to do anything like that |
| 08:07.04 | simonrvn | oldstable will continue to get security updates from 6 months to a year after new stable release, so you have time to switch to another host or convince your current to update. |
| 08:07.21 | nvz | I always think someone is talking about me, when they talk about openvz |
| 08:07.23 | gnarface | hey back on that issue of trying to get compiz to mix with an actually good window manager... doesn't the current knoppix disk load kde on top of compiz somehow? or is it that kde has adopted compiz features (like the spinning cube desktop manager) |
| 08:07.27 | gnarface | ? |
| 08:07.38 | cantido | anddam: get a xen vps at least ;) |
| 08:07.50 | simonrvn | no, like i said, kde's wm has a compositor |
| 08:07.57 | nvz | gnarface: some window managers are compiz aware is how that works |
| 08:08.01 | simonrvn | has the same plugins though |
| 08:08.09 | gnarface | hmm |
| 08:08.12 | anddam | udev is a daemon, should I see it in ps output? |
| 08:08.13 | valdyn | gnarface: kde has a window manager which can support compositing too |
| 08:08.24 | gnarface | oh i see |
| 08:08.25 | simonrvn | xfce4, gnome, and kde all have compositing support |
| 08:08.35 | simonrvn | anddam: yes |
| 08:08.36 | cantido | anddam: /etc/init.d/udev restart.. if its a pre-build image they have probably removed it |
| 08:08.40 | anddam | I mean I can't see any reference to udev |
| 08:08.44 | anddam | so I should be fine |
| 08:08.47 | anddam | thanks |
| 08:08.47 | gnarface | but e16 claims to have compositing features as well... does that mean that what i'm asking is possible with compiz and e16? |
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| 08:09.08 | simonrvn | e17 works differently |
| 08:09.12 | gnarface | i think i don't understand this correctly... based on my flawed assumptions simonrvn and nvz your statements contradict each other... |
| 08:09.14 | valdyn | gnarface: you cant mix 2 wm |
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| 08:09.20 | cantido | anddam: some parts of glibc and other libraries a linked to different kernel versions IIRC.. thats a problem you could come up against |
| 08:09.28 | simonrvn | yes, and i'm sure nvz is wrong ;) |
| 08:09.34 | nvz | haha.. me too |
| 08:09.54 | gnarface | ok so kde just smells a bit like compiz now, that's all? |
| 08:09.55 | anddam | cantido: I guess if that'll happen I'll have some noticeable error |
| 08:10.00 | simonrvn | i'm in kde now, i can confirm it |
| 08:10.01 | valdyn | guess you meant: some desktop environments work with compiz too |
| 08:10.05 | simonrvn | gnarface: yep |
| 08:10.09 | anddam | also does this table seems good? http://pastesite.com/21757 |
| 08:10.14 | cantido | grumbles about vps's being a false economy etc |
| 08:10.31 | nvz | grumbles about ca certificates |
| 08:10.38 | valdyn | anddam: yes |
| 08:10.50 | cantido | doesnt trust verisign |
| 08:11.16 | simonrvn | they're rotten |
| 08:11.17 | anddam | this is a guest Debian on OS X host, I can ping from guest to host and vice versa on vboxnet0 but the guest Debian can't reach other OS X 's interfaces |
| 08:11.27 | gnarface | grumbles about bean counters and marketing execs failing to realize that cloud computing is just lots of vps's |
| 08:11.43 | valdyn | anddam: your osx needs ip forwading enabled at least |
| 08:11.55 | simonrvn | easy to enable |
| 08:12.01 | cantido | gnarface: cloud computing is distributed computing.. VPS resellers are mismarketing their products |
| 08:12.05 | simonrvn | and OT for here ;) |
| 08:12.10 | anddam | valdyn: I thought I could at least ping en0 iface |
| 08:12.33 | anddam | valdyn: I mean os x has both vboxnet0 and en0 |
| 08:12.52 | anddam | valdyn: but that need forwarding rules too, doesn't it? |
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| 08:12.58 | valdyn | anddam: yes |
| 08:13.22 | cantido | is doing his first 6.0 install |
| 08:13.43 | valdyn | anddam: actually, it could be OS specific, and i dont know osx, but it may be required |
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| 08:14.03 | anddam | valdyn: anyway not a fault of the table I pasted |
| 08:14.06 | anddam | thanks |
| 08:14.20 | valdyn | anddam: not if the gw is correct |
| 08:14.24 | mah454 | Hello ... |
| 08:14.36 | anddam | valdyn: the gateway is vboxnet0 inet address on OS X |
| 08:14.43 | mah454 | how i can upgrade debian with iso file ? |
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| 08:14.49 | anddam | ~ $ ifconfig vboxnet0 | grep inet |
| 08:14.50 | anddam | inet 192.168.56.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.56.255 |
| 08:14.51 | valdyn | mah454: not at all |
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| 08:15.07 | gnarface | mah454: burn it onto a disk then boot from it :-p |
| 08:15.08 | valdyn | mah454: err, you could, but why ? no network? |
| 08:15.09 | anddam | I'll check #macosx |
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| 08:15.28 | mah454 | I must write iso files to DVD/CD and upgrade ? |
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| 08:15.59 | valdyn | mah454: you add cd media or any other to /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 08:16.33 | gnarface | mah454: you could mount the iso loopback... but the question remains, ... no network?? cause you're doing this the hardest possible way |
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| 08:17.22 | cantido | whos kid drew the grub background on the installer.. oh dear! |
| 08:17.33 | mah454 | I have network ... |
| 08:18.21 | gnarface | mah454: then perhaps you just weren't aware that debian is an entirely network-enabled operating system. unlike windows or mac osX you can upgrade from one major version to the next simply via the normal features of the network-enabled package manger |
| 08:18.53 | nevyn | cantido: cmon it's cute! |
| 08:18.56 | gnarface | mah454: the isos are only for people who don't have a network connection |
| 08:19.17 | cantido | nevyn: it looks toystory.. maybe that was the idea? |
| 08:19.39 | mah454 | Ok ... tnx :) |
| 08:20.16 | nevyn | cantido: wait till you hit the desktop...... |
| 08:20.19 | gnarface | does the bot have a link to instructions for mah454 ? |
| 08:20.24 | simonrvn | cantido: uh, duh? ;) |
| 08:20.47 | simonrvn | gnarface: for? |
| 08:20.56 | cantido | nevyn: I'm installing a VM to do some coding for a client on.. so I wont install that stuff |
| 08:20.59 | gnarface | simonrvn: upgrading debian |
| 08:20.59 | simonrvn | oh, hd-media way |
| 08:21.00 | nevyn | cantido: umm debian "squeeze" from toystory. |
| 08:21.09 | simonrvn | i guess |
| 08:21.19 | gnarface | simonrvn: no he has network he just didn't know. he needs an explanation of sources.list |
| 08:21.20 | cantido | nevyn: yeah, but its had toystory codename from the start ;) |
| 08:21.24 | nevyn | as in the release (as with all releases of debian) is named for a toystory char. |
| 08:21.31 | simonrvn | oh, to upgrade to squeeze? wtf, no net? |
| 08:21.34 | cantido | did we only just get around to doing some artwork related to that? heh |
| 08:21.44 | simonrvn | ah |
| 08:21.52 | simonrvn | !sources.list |
| 08:21.52 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 08:21.56 | nevyn | cantido: grub only got these capabilities recently |
| 08:22.07 | cantido | nevyn: backgrounds? |
| 08:22.09 | gnarface | simonrvn: he HAS network he just didn't know you can upgrade debian without a cd/dvd disk. its a mental illness common to windows users |
| 08:22.16 | cantido | There was a swirl one for ages.. |
| 08:22.30 | simonrvn | s,illness,delusion, |
| 08:22.40 | simonrvn | bad info, yada yada |
| 08:23.04 | simonrvn | or, assumption that all oses operate like windows |
| 08:23.22 | simonrvn | anyway, ^^^ sources.list |
| 08:23.36 | simonrvn | editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:23.41 | woonix | I think of it more as a mental template for how computing works |
| 08:23.55 | woonix | people think that all web sites must start with www. for example |
| 08:23.55 | cantido | gnarface: windows gains all those package distribution-ish features when you attach it to a domain.. |
| 08:24.05 | cantido | gnarface: the common name just wants to install shit.. |
| 08:24.11 | cantido | gnarface: s/name/man/ |
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| 08:24.26 | gnarface | thanks. once i tried to get someone who constantly complained about their windows box to install linux and just try it and after weeks of debate the final concern was "well... i dunno, i mean... does Linux have the Internet? cause i use that all the time on my windows. i don't know what i would do without it" |
| 08:24.28 | cantido | woonix: did you know all domains end it a dot! |
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| 08:24.43 | cantido | s/it/in/ |
| 08:25.00 | simonrvn | i did |
| 08:25.14 | cantido | gnarface: the internet is a blanket term for "youtube, facebook, porn, warez.." |
| 08:25.20 | simonrvn | er, do rather |
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| 08:25.32 | cantido | so if youtube or something doesnt work "it doesnt have internet" |
| 08:25.43 | woonix | cantido: I do from my days of playing with BIND. Is Cisco still the . in .com btw? I just remembered those commercials from way back for some reason. |
| 08:25.50 | simonrvn | there's a lot of ignorance ... |
| 08:26.11 | simonrvn | no, verisign is now |
| 08:26.16 | cantido | woonix: the last dot is the root |
| 08:26.32 | simonrvn | for .com ... |
| 08:26.34 | woonix | I'll take self-signed certificates, thank you very much :P |
| 08:26.37 | cantido | oh, yeah verisign control .com |
| 08:26.38 | rohdef | I'm trying to install debian on a PPC G5, most of the installation works fine till I hit yaboot (the boot loader) install, some investigation hints that the installer is simply missing from the cd, what can I do? |
| 08:26.50 | nevyn | woonix: and it was sun. |
| 08:26.53 | gnarface | cantido: yea i get your meaning... although this conversation actually took place well before youtube existed or flash was very important for anything |
| 08:26.54 | nevyn | not cisco. |
| 08:26.55 | cantido | they did stuff like nx-domain redirection.. lovely people |
| 08:26.59 | simonrvn | root, well, depends on where you get your root file ;) |
| 08:27.01 | woonix | oh yeah... I forgot all about sun |
| 08:27.15 | woonix | wait, what was their claim to fame? |
| 08:27.21 | nevyn | wishes he could forget sun... |
| 08:27.21 | woonix | the server hardware? |
| 08:27.26 | simonrvn | rohdef: wtf |
| 08:27.28 | cantido | woonix: java, sparc, solaris.. |
| 08:27.41 | rohdef | simonrvn, my exact though |
| 08:27.45 | nevyn | woonix: java, sparc, solaris "openwindows" |
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| 08:28.02 | cantido | woonix: they owned mysql, openoffice.. |
| 08:28.09 | rohdef | simonrvn, but I can't find ybin, which (according to what I searched) is supposed to be there |
| 08:28.13 | gnarface | aah i do sometimes think fondly of CDE on those old sparc 10's in the computer lab at school |
| 08:28.31 | simonrvn | it's not in the yaboot udeb ? should be... |
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| 08:28.51 | cantido | gnarface: solaris' package manager is total crap those isnt it.. if you use that and then use apt/dpkg you feel very happy |
| 08:28.57 | cantido | s/those/though/ |
| 08:29.01 | rohdef | simonrvn, might be, how do I check that? |
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| 08:29.37 | nevyn | cantido: solaris doesn't really have packages. and still had a patching system built around actually modifying binaries. |
| 08:29.56 | nevyn | cantido: solaris pkg files are effectively tar with a bit of indexing logic |
| 08:30.04 | cantido | nevyn: they have that pkgadd crap.. that doesn't resolve deps or anything |
| 08:30.06 | simonrvn | rohdef: there was a recent update ... |
| 08:30.10 | simonrvn | rohdef: sec |
| 08:30.15 | yalu | long live IPS then |
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| 08:30.26 | rohdef | I downloaded the image yesterday :/ |
| 08:30.26 | nevyn | needs an imp. |
| 08:30.28 | simonrvn | i haven't done a ppc install in 6 months |
| 08:30.30 | gnarface | had to patch netscape 4 on a solaris desktop once. still has nightmares |
| 08:30.32 | cantido | nevyn: so you have to make sure you install everything with the install or its pain in the arse to install it later ;) |
| 08:30.51 | cantido | installer |
| 08:30.58 | nevyn | cantido: not quite. |
| 08:31.13 | nevyn | you can add things without too much trouble. |
| 08:31.24 | nevyn | the major hassle remains patching. |
| 08:31.32 | simonrvn | dpkg -c yaboot_1.3.16-2_powerpc.deb | grep ybin |
| 08:31.32 | dpkg | drwxr-xr-x root/root 2769 2005-1-04 11:47:81 ./usr/share/yaboot_1.3.16-2_powerpc.deb | grep ybin/pr0n/ariana.jpeg |
| 08:31.33 | simonrvn | -rwxr-xr-x root/root 54108 2010-12-11 21:00 ./usr/sbin/ybin |
| 08:31.44 | cantido | nevyn: mmm I remember trying to add the management console or something in sol9.. and it was a pain |
| 08:31.44 | simonrvn | dpkg: hush you |
| 08:31.44 | dpkg | try again, bub. |
| 08:31.51 | simonrvn | rohdef: ^^^ |
| 08:32.26 | simonrvn | rohdef: it's there, but i don't know what they did to d-i (debian-installer) |
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| 08:32.58 | cantido | is surprised ppc, ia64 etc haven't been religated to ports yet.. |
| 08:33.05 | nevyn | ports? |
| 08:33.15 | simonrvn | er? |
| 08:33.20 | nevyn | oh like m68k? |
| 08:33.25 | simonrvn | 'relegated' |
| 08:33.26 | cantido | nevyn: debian-ports.. different arm builds, SH etc |
| 08:33.32 | nevyn | yeah |
| 08:33.46 | cantido | yeah, I did think that looked wrong |
| 08:33.57 | nevyn | the thing is all those arch's are reasonably fast. so they can keep up with incomming |
| 08:33.59 | simonrvn | yw |
| 08:34.11 | nevyn | and you can get machines with reasonable ammounts of ram. |
| 08:34.14 | cantido | should have googled before commiting with enter |
| 08:34.24 | simonrvn | one of the buildds for ppc is a dual-proc g4 |
| 08:34.27 | cantido | committing |
| 08:34.42 | simonrvn | it's still fast enough |
| 08:34.55 | cantido | from the popcon stats though.. those archs dont see much action.. |
| 08:34.58 | simonrvn | hell, even a dual-g3 could |
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| 08:35.42 | simonrvn | i expect ppc to make a comeback in debian though, there's some new desktops coming out |
| 08:35.48 | cantido | simonrvn: really? |
| 08:36.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | cantido: popcon is just a guide |
| 08:36.01 | simonrvn | high end stuff |
| 08:36.04 | anddam | simonrvn: nice, what are they? |
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| 08:36.09 | cantido | There are some embedded PPC machines.. they are like 603e generation |
| 08:36.22 | gnarface | still wants to install debian on his gamecube |
| 08:36.28 | simonrvn | hold, lemme check my logs |
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| 08:36.38 | cantido | Kamping_Kaiser: yes,.. |
| 08:36.51 | cantido | gnarface: 24meg of ram.. hmm |
| 08:36.58 | gnarface | bought the network adapter and keyboard just for phantasy star online, but could always use a few spare network nodes to burn electricity and keep the house warm :) |
| 08:37.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | cantido: someone suggested removing s390 because of its low popcon, until a bunch of people spoke up and poitned out it was used in corps with firewall policies :) |
| 08:37.39 | gnarface | cantido: i'll have you know that back in the quake 1 days i was a force to be reconed with on a linux box with only 24 megs of ram and WAY less cpu power than that 400mhz dolphin chip |
| 08:38.01 | cantido | Kamping_Kaiser: it could move to ports though.. |
| 08:38.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | cantido: so could everything... |
| 08:38.34 | cantido | gnarface: I used to use a machine with 2MB of ram.. doesnt mean I want to now ;) |
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| 08:38.57 | jelly-home | I used to have a phone with 2MB RAM |
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| 08:39.10 | cantido | Kamping_Kaiser: well, except i386 and amd64 ;) |
| 08:39.28 | cantido | my phone has more ram than this machine.. |
| 08:39.38 | cantido | is running a debian-ports arch |
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| 08:39.58 | simonrvn | cantido: http://www.osnews.com/story/24151/A-EON_Reveals_AmigaOne_X1000_Processor_Through_Cake/ |
| 08:40.07 | simonrvn | real sweet proc |
| 08:40.14 | cantido | simonrvn: ah, you realise those are going to be expensive as hell right? |
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| 08:40.26 | gnarface | cantido: see there is where we differ. the other day i was just pondering the overclocking capabilities of the commodore 64 |
| 08:40.35 | simonrvn | yes. i *did* say 'high end' |
| 08:40.35 | jelly-home | cake! |
| 08:40.35 | cantido | had a PPC amiga back in the day |
| 08:40.44 | gnarface | is jealous |
| 08:40.59 | rohdef | simonrvn, you have no idea about what I can do? :/ |
| 08:41.00 | simonrvn | amigas were way ahead of their time |
| 08:41.07 | gnarface | had poor parents so had to settle for the commodore 64/128 hybrid |
| 08:41.09 | cantido | simonrvn: There are a few other PPC "amigas".. like the Pegasos etc.. they was a $99 PPC board too |
| 08:41.15 | cantido | s/they/there/ |
| 08:41.37 | simonrvn | rohdef: try having the yaboot .deb on a usb stick, and then install it from there, or stick it on your network and do same |
| 08:41.45 | cantido | gnarface: heh, my brother worked serious overtime at the local shop to get a Blizzard PPC.. and it was a total pile of crap |
| 08:41.56 | gnarface | so how long before we can have amiga os ported to debian like they did with freebsd? |
| 08:42.13 | simonrvn | SIYH :P |
| 08:42.17 | gnarface | lol |
| 08:42.21 | cantido | SIYH? |
| 08:42.23 | gnarface | starts to learn C |
| 08:42.30 | gnarface | cantido: "sooner if you help" |
| 08:42.30 | simonrvn | sooner if you help |
| 08:42.50 | cantido | gnarface: do you know of geekgadgets? |
| 08:42.56 | cantido | gnarface: i.e. gnu on AmigaOS |
| 08:43.04 | gnarface | hmm. no i was not aware of that |
| 08:43.13 | gnarface | we should take this to offtopic |
| 08:43.27 | cantido | there is lib ixemul (I think thats right).. maybe you could get debian bootstrapped ;) |
| 08:43.30 | gnarface | or abrotman will come in and kick my ass again |
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| 08:43.48 | simonrvn | rohdef: key here is to have the .deb accessible to the installer environment. then you can just go to vt2 or 3 and run a dpkg -i there or unpack it into the new system |
| 08:43.48 | rohdef | simonrvn, can't find dpkg on the install cd :/ well if I recall correctly I would be able to start from a recovery cd and do it from that, right? |
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| 08:43.51 | cantido | porting debian to a kernel without any memory protection is on topic isnt it? |
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| 08:44.18 | rohdef | simonrvn, then I should be able to wget the deb |
| 08:44.22 | gnarface | well my next question was gonna be about what ever happened to that last version of amigaos that was supposed to run in a virtual machine for devs |
| 08:44.34 | gnarface | there was gonna be new hardware and everything |
| 08:44.51 | simonrvn | rohdef: i used to have neat little ar one-liner to unpack a .deb ... sec |
| 08:44.58 | cantido | gnarface: Amiga DE was basically a VM thingy which was like a mix of multimedia stuff like flash and portable runtime like Java.. it was going nowhere |
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| 08:45.37 | cantido | gnarface: PPC OSes have happened now.. but its nothing you would want to use instead of debian |
| 08:45.53 | gnarface | yea |
| 08:46.06 | gnarface | would probably be happier just using e16 with an amiga-like theme loaded |
| 08:46.25 | cantido | back in the day (tm) I used debian on Linux APUS (Amiga PPC), wasnt much fun |
| 08:46.29 | simonrvn | i know ar is in d-i, so |
| 08:46.32 | gnarface | but the novelty of loading up old games from that era would wear off far more slowly on me than others |
| 08:46.54 | simonrvn | rohdef: ar p yaboot*.deb data.tar.gz | tar -xz |
| 08:46.54 | nvz | I'm in no hurry here, but I just installed openvpn on two machines one local, one remote, and seem to have the server and client configs all setup but its failing on TLS key negotiation when the client tries to connect |
| 08:47.11 | nvz | I am wondering if someone can walk me through proper creation and placement of these keys/certs..etc |
| 08:47.14 | cantido | nvz: did you use a static key or certs? |
| 08:47.18 | simonrvn | rohdef: that'll unpack it in $PWD, so make sure you're in the right dir |
| 08:47.28 | nvz | cantido: uh.. idk? hah |
| 08:47.34 | cantido | nvz: if you want it really simple dont bother with certs and just use a static key |
| 08:47.53 | rohdef | simonrvn, otherwise I can copy the files to the right place? |
| 08:47.54 | woonix | nvz: Is this related to that earlier ssh issue? Just curious. |
| 08:47.57 | nvz | cantido: yeah I want it simple.. wanna see the server/client configs I made? |
| 08:47.59 | simonrvn | sure |
| 08:48.09 | cantido | nvz: http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/miscellaneous/78-static-key-mini-howto.html |
| 08:48.14 | cantido | nvz: mostly copy n paste |
| 08:48.26 | nvz | woonix: well sort-of.. trying to setup a more perminant openvpn between here and there.. I'm currently in through SSH.. |
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| 08:48.49 | simonrvn | rohdef: ybin goes in /usr/sbin, for instance |
| 08:48.50 | anddam | simonrvn: not fair, he got the cake too |
| 08:48.55 | woonix | nvz: I like your idea. The ssh think feels more like a hack than a solution. |
| 08:48.59 | woonix | thing* |
| 08:49.11 | simonrvn | anddam: oh, the link i posted? heh =) |
| 08:49.14 | rohdef | simonrvn, yup, I can see the directory structure, online seems to work nice and easy :) |
| 08:49.16 | anddam | ah PASemi |
| 08:49.23 | simonrvn | sweet |
| 08:49.40 | cantido | Those PASemi chips on the x1000 are apparently old stock.. |
| 08:49.50 | anddam | I really didn't like the apple intel transition, I used to do a little disassembling on ppc and it's way much cleaner |
| 08:49.55 | cantido | so if you buy one.. hope it doesnt die when they run out ;) |
| 08:49.56 | nvz | cantido: that does look easier than what I got.. heh |
| 08:50.09 | anddam | I'd like a ppc updated notebook |
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| 08:50.21 | cantido | nvz: the certs setup is head ache.. for two machines a static key is enough |
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| 08:50.39 | simonrvn | rohdef: you might have to chroot to the install (mount /proc, /sys, etc.) and unpack it there, and make your own yaboot.conf |
| 08:50.45 | cantido | anddam: PPC would be great if you could get the same performance as x86 |
| 08:50.48 | nvz | woonix: well its not really something perminant per-se.. but if I just setup openvpn on both our boxes, it joins our networks seemlessly without need to fuck with things when he's already having an issue.. |
| 08:51.09 | simonrvn | i suspect the installer won't read that you've put the right stuff there |
| 08:51.10 | anddam | cantido: raw performance or performance/power ? |
| 08:51.18 | nvz | woonix: plus we can file share and crap like that.. |
| 08:51.34 | cantido | anddam: Raw power.. I suspect that recent x86 chips are just as good on power usage too |
| 08:51.38 | rohdef | simonrvn, will try if this don't work, now I'm ready to test :) |
| 08:51.43 | simonrvn | rohdef: and i'd file a serious bug on 'debian-installer' if you see no sign of yaboot anywhere on the install cd |
| 08:51.48 | nvz | cantido: yeah well I don't really understand certs.. I was just doing what the most relevant example config in the package said to do |
| 08:52.06 | cantido | anddam: there are 1.2ghz ARM cores with DSP etc floating around though.. that could "happen" |
| 08:52.09 | anddam | cantido: I don't need a lot of horsepower on a notebook tho', even the late g4 could handle it |
| 08:52.13 | rohdef | simonrvn, do they use bugzilla? |
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| 08:52.20 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 08:52.21 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 08:52.36 | cantido | nvz: if you follow that page and look at syslog you'll have it up and running in minutes.. I did it twice today ;) |
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| 08:53.28 | rohdef | simonrvn, they might have a chance if it's not too bugzilla-like, I refuse to use overly complicated bugtrackers ;) |
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| 08:53.38 | nvz | cantido: yeah that looks a bit overly simplistic.. doesn't have any options about compression, or persistance..etc |
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| 08:53.46 | simonrvn | nah, debian's is nice |
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| 08:53.54 | wald0 | i dont know if this is the best channel to ask but... how i can add a full directory with quilt ? (just like "quilt add newfile ; vim newfile") |
| 08:54.06 | cantido | nvz: you just add those to the end of the config file once you have it working |
| 08:54.09 | nvz | cantido: but had I not already hacked configs with all that crap I wouldn't have known/cared in the first place ;) |
| 08:54.23 | cantido | nvz: get the 4/5 line config working and then add keepalive etc |
| 08:54.24 | simonrvn | rohdef: reportbug and querybts are easy cli interfaces to it |
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| 08:55.54 | dreamer | I just did a dist-upgrade, but apt is unable to install nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 08:56.14 | gnarface | dreamer: did it say why? |
| 08:56.37 | cantido | nvz: if your ip changes you'll want to setup dyndns or similar too |
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| 08:57.22 | dreamer | gnarface: depends nvidia-kernel-common (>= 20100522) but it is not installable |
| 08:57.39 | gnarface | dreamer: you gotta put contrib and non-free in your sources |
| 08:57.46 | nvz | cantido: well I'm gonna setup a static route for my internal IP, but I have my external IP in his /etc/hosts already which is how I'm calling it in the OpenVPN config.. and he's not too stupid to change the IP in there if/when it changes |
| 08:57.56 | gnarface | dreamer: (so is my guess, at least, from being a nvidia hardware fan) |
| 08:58.40 | dreamer | gnarface: afaik I have |
| 08:58.41 | cantido | nvz: you have to remember how to configure openvpn after this.. its great for creating routes back into ex-employers networks ;) |
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| 08:59.10 | gnarface | dreamer: i'm assuming you ran apt-get update after that right? if so, paste your sources.list i just wanna look to make sure |
| 08:59.16 | rohdef | simonrvn, now I get and error with `apt-install yaboot hfsutils` failed :S |
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| 09:00.00 | dreamer | gnarface: yes, I now added contrib to the first entry, but that did not help |
| 09:00.37 | nvz | cantido: yeah, well.. I won't be doing any of that.. just using it for remote support.. and will probably start setting it up on every box I install. |
| 09:00.50 | dreamer | gnarface: how can I put a file to pastebin from the cli? |
| 09:01.09 | nvz | cantido: is this an encrypted tunnel by default? |
| 09:01.24 | cantido | nvz: if you have multiple clients you'll need to look at the cert stuff.. the debian init script support multiple configs/tunnels |
| 09:01.30 | cantido | nvz: yes, it uses OpenSSL |
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| 09:01.52 | cantido | IIRC you can select the cipher etc |
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| 09:02.26 | nvz | cantido: idk, I'll perhaps play with it more locally at some point.. right now I just wanna get it up so I can close the SSH tunnel |
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| 09:03.13 | gnarface | dreamer: uh... pastebin would assume you have a mouse, so you'd have to have gpm installed (the console mouse daemon) or else somehow get irc running from within the same text editor that you open the file with (emacs might be able to do that) |
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| 09:03.43 | cantido | nvz: if you follow the guide creating all the CA and key stuff it does work.. but you have to read it all and take it in |
| 09:03.53 | cantido | nvz: the static key is lazy mans OpenVPN |
| 09:03.55 | courpse | pastebinit is in the repos yes? |
| 09:03.58 | gnarface | dreamer: actually technically when i mean pastebin i mean clipboard... but what you really would need to do to make my statement false in that case you don't want to |
| 09:04.23 | gnarface | had not heard of pastebinit but should have guessed such a thing exited |
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| 09:04.28 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:06.16 | dreamer | gnarface: yeah I have gpm, but I can't copy/paste from different tty to elinks |
| 09:06.48 | dreamer | gnarface: there are many pastebins around the globe .. basicallt made for troubleshooting on irc to prevend flood ;) |
| 09:06.53 | gnarface | dreamer: you know that you highlight the text, then carefully alt-f[N] to the other virtual terminal and then middle-click to paste, right? |
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| 09:07.25 | dreamer | eh, yes, but like I said: does not work when going to other tty |
| 09:07.40 | gnarface | dreamer: i mean, you know how to paste using gpm right? you're not trying to ctrl-c, ctrl-v like in windows are you? forgive me if that's an insulting question |
| 09:07.47 | dreamer | anyway, my sources.list is ok |
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| 09:07.58 | gnarface | dreamer: just paste the one deb line |
| 09:08.01 | dreamer | I never use ctrlc/v |
| 09:08.02 | gnarface | you should only have one relevant one |
| 09:08.11 | gnarface | you can paste one line into irc |
| 09:08.13 | dreamer | deb http://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/debian/ squeeze main non-free contrib |
| 09:08.28 | dreamer | I added contrib to this line, but did not help |
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| 09:09.03 | gnarface | dreamer: and after you added contrib you DID apt-get update (or aptitude update) right? |
| 09:09.14 | dreamer | yes |
| 09:09.18 | dreamer | update/upgrade |
| 09:09.25 | gnarface | weird |
| 09:09.38 | gnarface | did you try installing that package manually? |
| 09:09.49 | gnarface | just apt-get install nvidia-firmware-nonfree or whatever it was? |
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| 09:10.21 | anddam | bye |
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| 09:10.25 | dreamer | yes, no install candidate |
| 09:10.59 | dreamer | I will try to install manually, as suggested on the debian wiki |
| 09:11.20 | dreamer | hmmm, elinks doesn't allow select/paste |
| 09:11.24 | gnarface | dreamer: hmm. odd. sounds like a bug in the package tree (or maybe just that mirror) |
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| 09:11.32 | gnarface | dreamer: you tried other mirrors, right? |
| 09:12.02 | dreamer | no, not yet |
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| 09:13.10 | gnarface | dreamer: what's that package for, by the way. i haven't seen a nvidia motherboard that didn't have drivers in the main kernel for a while now, i've only needed contrib/non-free stuff for video cards |
| 09:13.13 | tralala | dreamer: did you apt-cache search nvidia firmware? |
| 09:13.14 | gnarface | ? |
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| 09:14.28 | dreamer | tralala: like I said, there is no install candidate for nvidia-kernel-common |
| 09:15.05 | tralala | dreamer: maybe you've got the package name wrong |
| 09:15.17 | tralala | or maybe the name has been changed |
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| 09:16.01 | tralala | or it might be out of stable/testing for some reason |
| 09:16.01 | dreamer | ok, wth, now it is installing .. |
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| 09:16.09 | dreamer | I am 100% sure I used the same line |
| 09:16.38 | gnarface | dreamer: yea... my guess is it was a temporary failure of your mirror, possibly because it was in the process of being updated currently. you can check here for mirror statuses: |
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| 09:16.46 | gnarface | dreamer: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
| 09:16.49 | dreamer | gnarface: I guess so |
| 09:16.58 | gnarface | dreamer: if a mirror behaves weird, check there ^^^ for error codes |
| 09:17.09 | gnarface | dreamer: they're not always reliable while they're being update |
| 09:17.12 | gnarface | d |
| 09:17.21 | Jck_True | I'm running Debian in a VPS - but I got an issue with the clock running out of sync - and for some reason the clock keeps reverting when i try seeting it with ntpdate |
| 09:17.32 | dreamer | reboot and hope things go fine |
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| 09:17.50 | bandie91|scolae | hi people! |
| 09:17.52 | gnarface | Jck_True: you have to do that on the host system. if you don't own the host system, call your ISP and tell them they are fuck tards |
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| 09:18.57 | bandie91|scolae | please tell me: how to fix char-encodig issue which comes up in GTK1 application after dist-upgrade? |
| 09:18.59 | Jck_True | gnarface: Well I did get some advice here last time on how to disable it so i could use ntpdate - but reinstall removed that |
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| 09:20.37 | gnarface | Jck_True: really? not something i know how to do, unfortunately. i was under the impression that pretty much ANY sort of VPS will have a clock that is inherent to the host system - the most you can do is change the timezone. if you find information to the contrary i'd love to know how to do it |
| 09:20.48 | tralala | bandie91|scolae: there are .rc files for gtk1 encodings, but I don't remember them anymore. A web search will likly find it. |
| 09:21.19 | gnarface | bandie91|scolae: tralala doesn't he just need to dpkg-reconfigure locales and set the right encodings for his local environment? |
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| 09:21.55 | Jck_True | gnarface: I'm not an expert at all but if i recall correctly it's something about missing modules on the host system which transfer the hw clock to the guest - Instead the clock is software based now which makes it drift over time |
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| 09:22.08 | bAndie9100|scola | gnarface: i did dpkg-reconfigure and select hu_hu.utf-8 as default! |
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| 09:22.54 | tralala | gnarface: I don't think it is worthed to switch to non utf environment only to get some gtk1 app showing correctly |
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| 09:23.07 | gnarface | bAndie9100|scola, tralala oh sorry its not the issue i thought it was then, ignore me |
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| 09:24.19 | gnarface | Jck_True: my own experience with various VPSes i administer is this: 1) set clock on host to utc. then set timezone on host correctly. 2) install ntpd on host or your shit will drift. 3) all guests will then have proper time implicitly without the ability to screw with it further than setting a custom timezone offset |
| 09:24.39 | gnarface | Jck_True: ^^^ in my experience if this process is not followed, all bets are off |
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| 09:25.22 | cantido | gnarface: really, the underlying software should be keeping the time for the guests |
| 09:26.00 | gnarface | cantido: with an inaccurate/drifting system hardware clock? how? |
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| 09:26.28 | cantido | gnarface: the real os should keep the clock in check and inform the guests |
| 09:26.32 | cantido | Xen does that IIRC |
| 09:26.41 | Jck_True | gnarface: I guess I would have to hit up support - just anoys me i fixed it last time and don't remember how :D |
| 09:26.44 | bAndie91|scolae | i did ln -vfs gtkrc.iso-8859-2 /etc/gtk/gtkrc.hu and no change! |
| 09:27.00 | cantido | you have to actually disconnect the guest clock from the system clock if you want to look after it in the guest |
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| 09:27.10 | Jck_True | cantido: How can i do that? |
| 09:27.16 | gnarface | cantido: i suppose it would be theoretically possible to install ntpd on the guest and then have guests have their own system time and just ignore the host clock hardware, but i was under the impression that this feature is explicitly removed from pretty much every VPS implementation for security reasons... no? |
| 09:27.37 | Jck_True | echo 1 > /proc/sys/xen/independent_wallclock |
| 09:27.44 | cantido | gnarface: you can do it in the guest.. xen allows that |
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| 09:27.57 | gnarface | cantido: news to me. that's relatively unique to xen then |
| 09:28.17 | jelly-home | gnarface: and vmware |
| 09:28.19 | cantido | gnarface: with shared kernel systems you have to have the same clock |
| 09:28.29 | cantido | gnarface: one kernel, one clock |
| 09:28.30 | jelly-home | gnarface: and vbox |
| 09:28.40 | gnarface | Jck_True: regardless of cantido's accuracy, i honestly recommend you bark up your ISP's tree if you're paying for this. no excuses for their host to have the wrong clock time. that's unacceptable under any circumstances for a paid service |
| 09:28.56 | jelly-home | indeed |
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| 09:29.08 | cantido | gnarface: I wasnt arguing against you ;) |
| 09:29.21 | cantido | thought you were telling him to install ntpd in the guest initially.. |
| 09:29.24 | gnarface | jelly-home, cantido ah that's the issue. i'm a linux zealot so my primary experiences have been with stuff like uml and vservers |
| 09:29.49 | jelly-home | I can't afford to be a zealot |
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| 09:30.10 | cantido | thought vserver was dead.. |
| 09:30.17 | cantido | lxc ftw! |
| 09:30.27 | gnarface | assumed due to the security hazard of local time control that ANY VPS would remove that feature, as had vservers.... PHP even bitches at you if you don't have a timezone set explicitly |
| 09:31.13 | cantido | gnarface: timezone is able the kernel clock layer though |
| 09:31.15 | gnarface | vserver is far from dead. it rules and it's faster than any other implementation out there - of course all your guests have to share the linux kernel the host has and other operating systems are pretty much out of the question at that point but for what it does it does well |
| 09:31.28 | cantido | I think thats actually handled by libc.. |
| 09:31.39 | gnarface | timezone? |
| 09:31.44 | styxnsoon | Hello all. I managed to break my partition table by smartly installing WinXP over a HDD formatted for Debian. It was a kinda-standard layout, some separate partitions, all ext3. Just wanted to ask if there is a recommended way to try a rescue, I had important data on this, I failed at recently backing it up. |
| 09:31.57 | cantido | gnarface: the vserver idea is good.. but lxc is in-kernel ;) |
| 09:32.20 | cantido | styxnsoon: if you can recreate the partition table you'll be fine |
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| 09:32.40 | gnarface | cantido: lxc what? you got a link? vserver is in-kernel too... |
| 09:32.43 | Jck_True | xen.independent_wallclock = 1 written to /etc/sysctl.conf and a reboot solved it |
| 09:33.02 | gnarface | Jck_True: hooraaay! i learned something too |
| 09:33.04 | gnarface | thanks guys |
| 09:33.09 | cantido | gnarface: http://lxc.sourceforge.net/ |
| 09:33.20 | gnarface | i only run linux guests |
| 09:33.27 | gnarface | for that matter i only run DEBIAN linux guests |
| 09:33.36 | gnarface | and i generally don't even diverge the version of debian |
| 09:33.42 | cantido | thought debian was getting rid of vserver |
| 09:33.49 | cantido | has that changed recently? |
| 09:33.53 | Jck_True | Reminds me i gotta take Debian 6.0 for a spin - I've been waiting for that a long time :) |
| 09:34.12 | styxnsoon | cantido: Are there tools trying to do that for me, because I dont know the exact size anymore... Im gonna use the rescue-shell from a debian-squeeze-netinst-cd, thats okay? |
| 09:34.15 | gnarface | i've heard the rumor too but i still see vservers in the debian 6.0 kernel list... to this day i haven't had a better experience with any other VPS solution |
| 09:34.35 | gnarface | but i do have a very homogeneous network topology, when it comes to the linux installs |
| 09:34.45 | cantido | styxnsoon: mmm I'm not sure |
| 09:35.04 | gnarface | that gives me the luxury of benefitting from vservers's strengths without being limited by any of its weaknesses |
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| 09:35.14 | cantido | gnarface: openvz etc are awful.. if you just want chroot++ vserver or lxc is great |
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| 09:35.27 | cantido | the main problem with vserver was that the patches were always behind |
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| 09:36.13 | woonix | styxnsoon: Just to clarify, did you install windows over the same drive and parition that Linux was using, or were the on different hard drives? |
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| 09:36.17 | dreamer | hmmm, now I get an API Mismatch error when starting gdm |
| 09:36.19 | styxnsoon | To give some more information, I created a single NTFS-part that does only occupy like 20% of the disk. And most importantly doesnt touch the part of my disk where /home used to be |
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| 09:36.38 | gnarface | cantido: yea, that's unfortunate. i did have to resort to patching&compiling my own vserver just to make it play nice with stock debian userland once or twice, but that's not a big deal to me, i'm used to that after years of running bleeding-edge nvidia gaming hardware and playing games through wine/cedega on linux |
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| 09:37.01 | cantido | gnarface: I would have a look at LXC though, you might like it |
| 09:37.02 | gnarface | when you game on linux with gaming hardware, you get used to having to compile custom kernels |
| 09:37.06 | styxnsoon | I would be sufficient to rescue /home, I didn't do much to the rest... |
| 09:37.31 | cantido | styxnsoon: the problem is you need to recreate at least the starting points of your partitions exactly |
| 09:37.33 | styxnsoon | *it |
| 09:37.43 | gnarface | cantido: despite the fact their website looks like something auto-generated by domain-squatters trying to filter search engine results to porn sites and shady online clothing stores, i'm looking at it :-P |
| 09:37.45 | cantido | styxnsoon: there are tools the attempt to pull files out of raw data |
| 09:38.00 | woonix | I feel like backing up my partition tables after all these recent stories of data loss. |
| 09:38.07 | cantido | gnarface: haha, nothing in the mainline has a decent site ;) |
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| 09:40.24 | gnarface | i have a left 4 dead 1 server running on a vserver guest that's in the top 4,000 of servers :) |
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| 09:40.47 | gnarface | debian lenny with a later (but at this point still quite old) patched vserver kernel |
| 09:41.04 | gnarface | uptime.... (checking) |
| 09:41.14 | gnarface | 305 days |
| 09:41.37 | cantido | I think I have a box that has been up since just after lenny was released.. |
| 09:41.46 | styxnsoon | woonix: thats what im gonna do once ive repaired the system. but if u dont plan on bricking your hdd by installing winxp, you should be safe. At least from this specific problem :) |
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| 09:41.54 | cantido | which means it has not kernel security updates.. so I'm not going to publish the ip ;) |
| 09:41.56 | kshallid | hey all |
| 09:42.29 | kshallid | is there any rebuild gurb2 package with support for multipath |
| 09:42.36 | kshallid | for amd64 arch |
| 09:42.37 | Jck_True | I got a battle with my boss - He's got a slackware running for 630 days - i'm on 500 something - just waiting for a crash :P |
| 09:42.54 | gnarface | damn |
| 09:43.04 | cantido | Jck_True: reboot the machine and tell him it rolled over |
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| 09:43.26 | gnarface | max i ever had was 460 and then i had to reboot it to replace the power supply because the exhaust fan in it melted and was practically smoking |
| 09:43.39 | cantido | gnarface: you dont have multiple psus? |
| 09:43.55 | gnarface | nah it was already old/used hardware, and it was used PC desktop hardware at that |
| 09:44.09 | Jck_True | cantido: It's a consumer grade desktop pc - I could accidentially slip something through the fan :P |
| 09:45.01 | cantido | I used to have a few 1U boxes at home.. |
| 09:45.08 | cantido | under my kitchen sink.. |
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| 09:45.23 | cantido | with some SPARC pizzaboxes and network hardware.. |
| 09:45.32 | cantido | mumbles those were the days |
| 09:45.33 | gnarface | cantido: i can't afford redundant power supplies in my hobby home game server network - its all made of used hardware. on-the-job the servers i've set up rarely even lasted a few months at a time because for some bizarre reason i keep getting hired by people with EXTREME SNS |
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| 09:45.45 | styxnsoon | cantido, Im gonna try with http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk if no one says i shouldnt... They claim to be able to "Fix partition table, recover deleted partition" |
| 09:46.01 | cantido | gnarface: SNS? You can get refurb servers pretty cheap now |
| 09:46.13 | gnarface | !sns |
| 09:46.14 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 09:46.37 | cantido | thats a good thing.. you dont want to work with people that dont want to buy new hardware.. |
| 09:47.20 | cantido | Like I was working at one place and we had a ton of shitty old sun stuff.. really shitty old stuff. but it was working, just a bit slow. So instead of buying new stuff they bought secound hand upgrades.. and killed all the machines |
| 09:47.27 | gnarface | cantido: yea but working with people who want the latest kernel THAT DAY under any circumstances without having any idea why they want it other than that it is the newest version number can be problematic in maintaining uptimes.... |
| 09:47.33 | cantido | so, they had to buy new stuff anyway. |
| 09:47.35 | nvz | well I got OpenVPN all working, but I didn't setup that auto-reconnect before screwing with my local settings, so until he wakes up, I'm currently locked out.. heh |
| 09:47.47 | cantido | nvz: whoops |
| 09:47.51 | styxnsoon | TestDisk is in the repos, im off trying, gonna report back with failure or success |
| 09:48.06 | cantido | gnarface: I cant understand having the latest software though |
| 09:48.16 | nvz | cantido: yeah well I was thinking something along the lines of ssh being persistant.. when its not. |
| 09:48.20 | cantido | gnarface: a lot of people wont run debian because "it isnt RHEL" |
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| 09:48.34 | cantido | nvz: ssh has keepalive if you configure it |
| 09:48.42 | nvz | cantido: I was setting up static IP on my machine and changing the port for openvpn |
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| 09:49.02 | gnarface | cantido: yea, i know. :( as a former Redhat advocate i usually never get hired by those people because my middle finger usually comes out during the intervew at some point |
| 09:49.28 | cantido | gnarface: meh, if someone wants to pay me I'm a redhat expert, freebsd expert.. |
| 09:49.35 | nvz | cantido: didn't wanna run the service on the standard port, or using DHCP.. which is how I lost the connection because I didn't make changes on the client to reconnect first |
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| 09:50.06 | nvz | cantido: ssh keepalive is useless when you're only way into the machine was via that machine SSH'ing into yours with a tunnel and you going back through that tunnel |
| 09:50.09 | cantido | nvz: you dont need dhcp with peer-to-peer ;) you set the ips of each end in your config |
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| 09:50.33 | gnarface | cantido: once i fixed an apache problem well within budget by installing debian in a chroot. the client was happy but i felt dirty and then just stopped taking those type of jobs |
| 09:50.36 | nvz | cantido: I mean DHCP for my local interface.. cant have my LAN IP changing when I have a port forward setup.. |
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| 09:50.50 | cantido | nvz: ah, i see |
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| 09:51.19 | cantido | gnarface: well, at least it has security support.. those control panels that install their own stack are a nightmare |
| 09:51.29 | cantido | whoever decided to do that should be shot |
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| 09:52.10 | nvz | cantido: I should have learned how to do this a LONG time ago.. I think I shall start using this as my standard remote access method.. will be way better for servers instead of logging in over the internet, I can login over VPN.. added security layer.. |
| 09:52.17 | gnarface | cantido: agreed. i can't say enough bad things about cpanel and plesk, but i do envision a future where that type of shady business is as carefully scrutinized as torent traffic is by the *IAA(fia) |
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| 09:52.40 | cantido | nvz: having the tunnel come up on boot and reconnect automatically is a life saver |
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| 09:52.51 | Almindor | hello |
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| 09:53.04 | smhar | I know that some time ago I entered a long command in the terminal, is there a way to find that easier and faster than scrolling with the arrow keys? |
| 09:53.10 | nvz | cantido: yeah, its all setup and working for that.. just not setup to auto reconnect right now.. |
| 09:53.15 | gnarface | nvz: congratulations to you! it is refreshing to see enlightenment spring up of its own accord :) |
| 09:53.24 | Iridos | smhar, history |
| 09:53.31 | Almindor | since debian doesn't supply library (non-dev) packages with .so symlinks to major/non-version filename, is there ANY deterministic way for a program using dlopen to know which file to load for a given library? |
| 09:53.42 | cantido | gnarface: I was moving a site for some guy and I said "look, install debian and I'll do it properly with just apache etc".. "no I want it done properly with cpanel".. :/ |
| 09:53.44 | Almindor | something like "give_me_lib_installed_version(libname)" mechanism |
| 09:53.53 | nvz | gnarface: hah, until I got my old friend using linux regularly, it had been a LONG time since I learned something new |
| 09:54.10 | cantido | nvz: I think, just ping-reconnect <timeout> is all you need there |
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| 09:54.40 | nvz | gnarface: His laptop recently crapped out to the point it will not boot locally.. I learned how to PXE boot a bios flash utility among other things |
| 09:54.56 | gnarface | cantido: yea after a few bad experiences i just have turned down cpanel/plesk support jobs at this point. after more than a decade in the industry i decided i'd rather die broke than angry |
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| 09:55.17 | nvz | needless to say his machine still will not boot locally.. but I gave him an old 700mhz optiplex box I had to use as a PXE "jump box" |
| 09:55.38 | smhar | Iridos, where is this file? |
| 09:55.48 | Iridos | smhar, it's a command in bash |
| 09:55.59 | nvz | configured it to play a sound after the TFTP/DHCP starts, so he knows he can boot, then just press the power button and shut the jump box down again. heh |
| 09:56.04 | gnarface | nvz: you are a master of life and death at this point. if you could do that with humans they'd say you're the second coming of christ |
| 09:57.00 | gnarface | i had a friend who had a windows 98se install that had a driver table so corrupted that sound and usb didn't work |
| 09:57.13 | gnarface | and he was afraid to reboot it because the network often failed to come up on boot |
| 09:57.34 | Iridos | smhar, also ctrl-r<text> starts a search backwards in history, showing you each closest match so far |
| 09:57.34 | gnarface | one day i finally got him to boot with a knoppix disk.... he still hasnt' rebooted to this day. LOL |
| 09:57.47 | nvz | the strange thing about that whole scenario though, is that copying the kernel and initrd directly off his HDD to the PXE server will not boot, but copying the same package only i386 rather than amd64 from my machine to the PXE server does boot |
| 09:57.50 | smhar | Iridos, wonderful, thanks |
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| 09:58.09 | nvz | they are both AMD64 kernels, but one is the i386 arch package, the other is the AMD64 arch package |
| 09:58.32 | gnarface | ah yes, smhar, Iridos some of the handiest things about bash are the features it inherited from emacs :-P |
| 09:58.38 | nvz | I still don't know why the i386 one boots, and the AMD64 one doesnt |
| 09:58.53 | niklasfi | hello, i would like to install this http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/gitolite package. I added "deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports lenny-backports main" to my sources.list but still "aptitude -t lenny-backports search gito" does not return gitolite. Any ideas? |
| 09:59.13 | cantido | nvz: um EFI macs have a similar problem.. |
| 09:59.26 | gnarface | niklasfi: i only half-read your post but i think its because you forgot to run aptitude update first? |
| 09:59.28 | tralala | nvz: maybe his machine isn't 64bit or there's something special about 64bit netboot |
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| 09:59.34 | cantido | nvz: the firmware is 32bit and doesnt understand amd64 binaries.. |
| 09:59.34 | EagleRock | niklasfi: you ran /aptitude update, right? |
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| 09:59.46 | EagleRock | gnarface: beat me to it :-) |
| 09:59.47 | cantido | nvz: the kernel switches the machine into 64bit mode IIRC |
| 09:59.52 | Rienzilla | hmm |
| 09:59.54 | Rienzilla | this is weird |
| 09:59.56 | nvz | tralala: his machine is def 64bit, and I copied the kernels right off his HDD |
| 10:00.11 | cantido | so basically on older EFI macs with 32bit firmware you need 32bit grub |
| 10:00.18 | niklasfi | :( that is embarassing... aptitude update fixes ist :( |
| 10:00.42 | EagleRock | niklasfi: nah, it happens. Glad it worked out! |
| 10:00.54 | Rienzilla | I updated my mailserver to squeeze. The resulting machine seems to work, however the munin graphs of exims received, completed and rejected mails list no completed mails at all |
| 10:01.01 | nvz | cantido: idk.. something is def fucked up about his machine.. cause the PXE bios flash worked, and flashed it from 1.50 to 1.90.. you see the Toshiba screen, can get into the CMOS setup..etc.. but it will NOT boot from SD, USB, HDD, nothing.. |
| 10:01.03 | cantido | nvz: the PC boot sequence isnt all that simple |
| 10:01.08 | Rienzilla | (while the eximlogs contain lots of 'Completed <id>' messages |
| 10:01.25 | Iridos | Rienzilla, looked in the bts? |
| 10:01.28 | cantido | nvz: the HDD etc once booted though? |
| 10:01.31 | Rienzilla | munin-run exim_mailstats gives U, U, V for received, completed and rejected |
| 10:01.33 | Rienzilla | Iridos: bts? |
| 10:01.42 | nvz | cantido: a few days prior to all that, his windows partition died, then his whole HDD died.. and when I got there to fix the HDD, the whole machine was in that state |
| 10:01.43 | gnarface | EagleRock: took a typing class in high school after growing up with a father who sat me down in front of Zork I on a commodore 64 at the age of 5. the teacher hated me so much |
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| 10:01.51 | nvz | cantido: it won't boot other than PXE |
| 10:01.52 | Iridos | Rienzilla, bugs.debian.org/munin |
| 10:02.09 | tralala | nvz: is the hard drive alive once booted? |
| 10:02.15 | EagleRock | gnarface: nice :-) |
| 10:02.31 | nvz | tralala: once PXE booted EVERYTHING works normally.. |
| 10:02.31 | bonjoyee | now that squeeze is out..how will the unfreeze phase be? expect a complete overhaul? |
| 10:02.39 | cantido | nvz: did you replace the drive? |
| 10:02.53 | nvz | tralala: I installed debian on the new HDD via PXE, and he's been booting that new HDD via PXE ever since |
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| 10:03.02 | Rienzilla | nothing there afaics |
| 10:03.02 | Bushmills | Rienzilla: U is usually returned if a value can't be determnes. maybe the plugin doesn't habe the necessary permissions |
| 10:03.04 | Bushmills | have |
| 10:03.13 | tralala | nvz: you've got some spectacular hardware failure right there... |
| 10:03.19 | Rienzilla | Bushmills: I know, but the weird thing is, I do get graphs |
| 10:03.23 | cantido | nvz: maybe it has one of those bios that will only load from a drive with a special "tattoo" thing |
| 10:03.31 | Rienzilla | https://yoghoyogho.rename-it.nl/munin/rename-it.nl/drpepper.rename-it.nl-exim_mailstats-day.png <-- |
| 10:03.48 | nvz | cantido: yeah.. and I thought maybe it had some sort of IML (mirocode) thing going on like IBMs used to.. but he had the machine running off a USB live distro for several days with the old HDD removed prior to me getting there with a new HDD |
| 10:03.48 | Rienzilla | I upgraded between 0:00 and 3:00, and after that the blue line is gone, the rest is still there |
| 10:03.52 | cantido | nvz: some machines wont register devices on the pci bus etc that aren't in their allowed list for example |
| 10:04.03 | gnarface | does anyone in here personally know the sensors-detect maintainer? |
| 10:04.06 | EagleRock | bonjoyee: devs were encouraged to not flood with updates, but it might get crazy |
| 10:04.35 | kshallid | could u tell me if this 1.98+20100804-14 version of grub support multipath ? |
| 10:04.42 | tralala | nvz: do suspend2ram and resume work once booted? |
| 10:04.51 | cantido | kshallid: have you googled it? |
| 10:05.05 | kshallid | i have tried already ofcourse |
| 10:05.06 | nvz | tralala: idk, never tried it.. but obviously a hibernate won't work.. |
| 10:05.31 | bonjoyee | EagleRock: ok..this is my first time experience with debian post release...so getting curios.. |
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| 10:05.54 | Iridos | kshallid, what the heck is "multipath" supposed to be in regard of grub |
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| 10:06.20 | gnarface | Iridos, kshallid that's my question too |
| 10:06.27 | Rienzilla | I really don't understand. The plugin just parses the logfile for lines containing 'Completed' . There are plenty, but it stays 0 |
| 10:06.33 | cantido | kshallid: grub2 is based on modules.. see if there is something thats called multipath ;) |
| 10:06.35 | Iridos | s/regard/context of/ |
| 10:06.36 | nvz | cantido: idk that can't be the issue given that it was running off a USB drive with the old HDD removed for a few days prior to this.. then decided it won't boot that or anything else |
| 10:06.36 | styxnsoon | TestDisk is my package of the month. Really sophisticated, got loads of options, and nevertheless let me do what I wanted on first try. /home now mounted read-only, data accesible, copying to external hdd at the moment. |
| 10:06.45 | aazz | hi all, what s happend with sqeeze, NFS server doesn t work ?! |
| 10:06.48 | styxnsoon | cantido, Thx for your help |
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| 10:06.53 | cantido | nvz: weirdness |
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| 10:07.04 | cantido | doesnt remember what he helped with |
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| 10:07.16 | nvz | cantido: its certainly a mystery.. one that I found a work around for.. using what was a paperweight of an old computer surely bound to end up in the trash in the near future |
| 10:07.31 | wolfric | is there a page with typical sources.list on it? |
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| 10:07.49 | gnarface | uses his old computers as space heaters, not paperweights |
| 10:08.10 | styxnsoon | cantido, u pointed me in the right direction when I tried to fix my partition table, just some good keywords that helped my google up what i was looking for. thx again |
| 10:08.49 | kshallid | Iridos: well i have problem with that in installation system detected lot of network disk but when i boot it see just one, so that is correct question, or it isn't, i try find solution for my problem |
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| 10:09.04 | Iridos | aazz, you're not perhaps using nfs4 server with older clients? |
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| 10:09.12 | gnarface | wolfric: here is a typical sources.list: |
| 10:09.13 | gnarface | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main |
| 10:09.14 | gnarface | deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main |
| 10:09.24 | kichawa | how install php5 without apache2 :< ? |
| 10:09.39 | gnarface | kichawa: i recommend you get over it |
| 10:09.45 | wolfric | i'm having an issue installing packages. http://pastebin.com/cnTAQyqm |
| 10:09.56 | wolfric | version 5.0.7 |
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| 10:10.06 | styxnsoon | Just a question out of curiousity: How can a cp -r to usb-hdd occupy all cpu-time? I would guess the bottleneck is USB2-speed. |
| 10:10.09 | aazz | Iridos : nfs3 don t start any nfs process |
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| 10:10.46 | gnarface | wolfric: pastebin your literal sources.list. all it should have is the 2 literal lines i have pasted there. |
| 10:11.00 | aazz | Iridos: so i try nfs4 and : Not starting NFS kernel daemon: no support in current kernel. ... (warning). |
| 10:11.14 | gnarface | wolfric: mine were sid though, if you're using lenny switch "sid" with "lenny" but you should know squeeze is the new current stable |
| 10:11.19 | wolfric | gnarface: i did... see above |
| 10:11.43 | wolfric | gnarface: without the cd entries which are commented out anyway |
| 10:11.44 | aazz | Iridos: the client is debian squeeze too |
| 10:12.19 | cantido | kichawa: do you need a webserver with php? or just php? |
| 10:12.28 | Bushmills | Rienzilla: observe that the legend says "0" for completed mails per second, not "0.01" |
| 10:12.29 | gnarface | wolfric: then its jacked because it doesn't have the right lines. take mine, switch "sid" with "lenny" then paste just it again literally before you do anything else so i can be sure you did it right |
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| 10:12.43 | Iridos | oh well, not the same as what I remember someone else having a problem with |
| 10:12.46 | aazz | Iridos: i think the problem come from the server, where i dont know how to start an nfs server. it was so easy in lenny |
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| 10:12.52 | anddam | hi |
| 10:13.00 | anddam | is there a package with manual pages for C lib |
| 10:13.01 | anddam | ? |
| 10:13.06 | gnarface | kichawa: fyi running apache 1 is NOT recommended OR supported by anyone anymore. what is your reason for avoiding apache2? |
| 10:13.24 | anddam | I have not 'man malloc' |
| 10:13.26 | cantido | gnarface: you can run php without apache.. lighttpd works just fine |
| 10:13.27 | anddam | no* |
| 10:13.57 | cantido | gnarface: openbsd do still ship apache1.3 IIRC.. so someone is supporting it ;) |
| 10:13.58 | aazz | Iridos: it s a big problem, nfs is a basic fonctionnality |
| 10:14.24 | gnarface | cantido: you can run php from a console too. also, lighttpd runs "just fine" for some values of "just" and "fine" ... php works best in mod_php mode and everyone who uses it daily knows the cgi/fastcgi mode blows goats |
| 10:14.49 | cantido | <3 fastcgi |
| 10:14.53 | aazz | Iridos: do you with i must try with nfs3 or nfs4 for much more sucess |
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| 10:15.02 | gnarface | cantido: my condolences |
| 10:15.31 | cantido | also <3 big java application servers heheh! |
| 10:15.37 | gnarface | *sigh* |
| 10:15.42 | gnarface | cantido is crazy |
| 10:15.50 | cantido | loves the glassfish |
| 10:15.56 | kichawa | cantido: nginx |
| 10:16.00 | kichawa | gnarface: ^^ |
| 10:16.11 | gnarface | kichawa: you beat me to it |
| 10:16.32 | gnarface | still prefers apache2 though |
| 10:16.44 | cantido | gnarface: I actually know of a fairly big internet body that is running a weird mash up of apache 1 and 2.. its quite a sight |
| 10:16.45 | wolfric | gnarface: is there any cli program to add sources to it automaticaly? |
| 10:17.07 | wolfric | gnarface: or rather not automatically but as in tick them off a list |
| 10:17.29 | cantido | kichawa: for some reason though, if you install any php requiring package in debian apt-get/aptitude will try to pull in mod-php and apache.. its one of my pet hates |
| 10:17.32 | Iridos | aazz, did you do the usual stuff? (look for errors in /var/log/messages, check permissions with rpcinfo -p <host> and showmount -e <host>) |
| 10:17.43 | nvz | cantido: I can see how that might be tempting.. some of us don't like spending a week taking a class on how to configure and use something we've been using for a decade until some jagoff comes along and DRASTICALLY changes the configuration |
| 10:18.23 | Bushmills | wolfric: a text editor maybe, and using a leading # as tick mark? |
| 10:18.25 | cantido | nvz: yeah, they have a package build/distribution network based on freebsd ports but running on RHEL mostly too.. |
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| 10:18.41 | cantido | nvz: a crazy crazy mess.. but you can sort of see why its like that |
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| 10:19.34 | wolfric | Bushmills: halerious... Why don't i make you the automated mirror read out. tell you what. i'll cal out next and you read them out from a list |
| 10:19.44 | gnarface | .all i know for sure is that the debian requirements aren't annoying to me because after 2 years of trying to get lighttpd to work for a client in place of apache (with paid support/feature additions from the lighttpd team) 1) we decided it could not do it and 2) our company developers were banned from lighttpd's irc channel for trying to continue to pay them to fix it |
| 10:19.48 | aazz | Iridos: yes, and it tell me that no nfs process are running |
| 10:19.58 | aazz | i cant start them |
| 10:20.05 | aazz | =( |
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| 10:20.15 | cantido | gnarface: what do you mean by "work"? |
| 10:20.19 | Iridos | well, that should produce errors... |
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| 10:20.28 | Iridos | oh, you said for one |
| 10:20.39 | Bushmills | wolfric: why not save such a list as text file, becoming your new sources.list? |
| 10:21.03 | gnarface | cantido: not crash and then IO lock the box under load. there were also inaccuracies in their answer to apache's "mod_rewrite" |
| 10:21.27 | cantido | gnarface: I was going to say that.. if your application depends on mod_rewrite you are basically out of luck |
| 10:21.30 | Iridos | aazz, did you look at /usr/share/doc/nfs-common/README.Debian.nfsv4 |
| 10:21.31 | gnarface | wolfric: you don't need a util. you need two lines. you need THESE two lines: |
| 10:21.40 | gnarface | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 10:21.44 | cantido | there are some hacks.. but mod_rewrite is another piece of crazy software |
| 10:21.49 | gnarface | deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main |
| 10:22.31 | cantido | mmm the drupal6 package isnt creating any db tables.. |
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| 10:22.38 | gnarface | cantido: mod_rewrite is crazy but it has a pcre implementation that was written understanding the basic transmission mode of input progression all the other regex implementations in the wild (except lighttpd's) uses |
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| 10:23.01 | styxnsoon | Would there be any good reason to download and burn a new netinst-cd if I got one for squeeze just before its release? |
| 10:23.16 | petemc | styxnsoon: not really |
| 10:23.25 | cantido | gnarface: I wasnt aware that lighttpd had a mod_rewrite work alike.. I thought there was some proxy thing you bolt on the front |
| 10:23.31 | styxnsoon | petemc, thats what i wanted to hear, thx |
| 10:23.32 | gnarface | styxnsoon: if this is in regards to a running debian system that already works, boots, and has a network connection, NO |
| 10:24.01 | styxnsoon | gnarface, i wanna install debian on an old pentiumII-notebook |
| 10:24.21 | styxnsoon | this piece of hardware hasnt seen linux yet id guess |
| 10:24.25 | aazz | Iridos: thx for the doc about nfsv4, but why nfsv3 doesn t work too? |
| 10:24.32 | gnarface | cantido: yea it has features. they just dont' work right. thus nginx, but i chose to stay with apache2 because IMO the complaints about "bloat" and "poor performance" are mitigated by just reading the apache docs and learning to turn off shit you don't need |
| 10:24.38 | Bushmills | styxnsoon: how much RAM? |
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| 10:24.56 | styxnsoon | bushmills: i think 128mb |
| 10:25.05 | cantido | gnarface: meh, people that go on and on about "performance" are generally talking out of their rear |
| 10:25.16 | Bushmills | that'd be ok |
| 10:25.19 | styxnsoon | its supposed to become a headless setup |
| 10:25.23 | styxnsoon | no gui |
| 10:25.25 | gnarface | cantido: agreed 100% |
| 10:25.35 | cantido | gnarface: I had a 4 hour argument about turning on htaccess not being a major issue.. the thing is, it was already turned on |
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| 10:26.08 | cantido | and when you're using layers and layers of high level code, firmworks etc.. a tiny amount of well written C code is the least of your problems |
| 10:26.15 | styxnsoon | its the most silent piece of hardware i got, plus i think its not that energy-hungry |
| 10:26.24 | cantido | s/firmworks/frameworks/ |
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| 10:26.33 | StyXman | I notices that there are no setuid programs in /sbin/, /bin and /usr/bin/. I have a vague memory that it was replaced with something else, but for the life of me I can't reember what. any hints? |
| 10:26.40 | cantido | invented a word for firmware frameworks |
| 10:26.54 | gnarface | cantido: exactly. if there's a performance problem with .htaccess files being enabled in apache, its usually due to what is in the .htaccess files themselves, nothing to do with the fact it is enabled |
| 10:27.27 | gnarface | runs with .htaccess disabled on his personal servers anyway, because he is root |
| 10:28.05 | Bushmills | StyXman: ls -l /bin/ping |
| 10:28.29 | cantido | gnarface: well, the arguement was that .htaccess would "have an affect on performance".. this is on a massive set of boxes, think with the top ten internet traffic rated.. the application was written in PHP with a database backend.. and... .htaccess was already turned on :/ |
| 10:28.31 | gnarface | styxnsoon: i've never tried what you're trying. personally i'd get a new iso for the day, if the old one was downloaded before squeeze went stable, but if it wasn't long before i doubt it matters. |
| 10:28.32 | StyXman | Bushmills: beh |
| 10:28.50 | cantido | gnarface: s/think with/think within/ |
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| 10:29.13 | gnarface | cantido: lol@.htaccess being a performance bottleneck on a PHP system. |
| 10:29.21 | gnarface | writes php for a living. that's a bullshit arguement |
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| 10:30.00 | cantido | gnarface: the complaint is that apache traverses the whole directory tree looking for .htaccess files.. I wonder how long that is going to take verus one query against mysql on a different box heh |
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| 10:30.32 | styxnsoon | I havent ever installed without a gui. I just go expert-install and can opt-out from desktop-environment, right? |
| 10:30.32 | gnarface | lol yea people don't get how much more latency network latency is compared to ANY disk latency |
| 10:30.37 | lxsameer | i set some entry in incrontab but they does not run, where do you think is the problem |
| 10:30.37 | dondelelcaro | it's not like it's difficult to measure; just time the stat times |
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| 10:31.09 | cantido | dondelelcaro: yep, if you google it someone has tested it and its not worth caring about |
| 10:31.13 | gnarface | styxnsoon: yea when it prompts you for that list of stuff to install (server, desktop, base-system, etc) just pick nothing and install what you want manually |
| 10:31.32 | cantido | i would rather not have packages fucking with the apache config files directly and use local .htaccess files.. |
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| 10:32.02 | gnarface | styxnsoon: but do know that when you pick NOTHING it will install about 380MB of debian that's capable of little other than booting and installing other things - so you'll want to know what you want to install |
| 10:32.11 | dondelelcaro | cantido: you almost always want to use configuration files instead of .htaccess files, because you want to minimize the set of configuration options which can be controlled via .htaccess |
| 10:32.42 | cantido | dondelelcaro: that setup had a massive autobuilding and distribution setup behind it |
| 10:32.53 | styxnsoon | gnarface, thx a lot, I suppose Im capable of picking the packages I want after installation, if im not, ill try again... |
| 10:33.04 | cantido | dondelelcaro: one package with a broken config could take out all the stuff running on that box.. |
| 10:33.28 | dondelelcaro | cantido: that's why you use staging areas and disallow configuration changes which break the running config |
| 10:33.30 | cantido | dondelelcaro: its not like it was shared hosting with random people installing stuff. So it wasnt a question of security |
| 10:33.31 | gnarface | styxnsoon: don't worry, either apt-get and aptitude will handle dependencies just fine. you just have to know what you DO want |
| 10:33.51 | cantido | dondelelcaro: yeah, "agile development" ;) |
| 10:34.13 | dondelelcaro | cantido: so instead, you end up with random bits breaking without anyone knowing it until they try to access that page... not really an advantage |
| 10:34.13 | StyXman | styxnsoon: most probably the first thing to install is the ssh server |
| 10:34.24 | styxnsoon | gnarface: Im planning on using the box as a fileserver, though i still gotta test its performance with a usb2-pcmcia |
| 10:34.35 | gnarface | agile, scrum, jad < these can all suck my balls. none of them stands up to a team of developers that know how to type and use IRC |
| 10:34.36 | styxnsoon | styxman: sure |
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| 10:34.52 | cantido | dondelelcaro: better to have one site broken than the whole lot |
| 10:35.24 | gnarface | styxnsoon: all the better, that will mean you have a very simple system that requires very little compared to any of the pre-sets |
| 10:35.25 | dondelelcaro | cantido: again, that's why you use a staging area, so nothing breaks. If it's going to break the config, you don't let it promulgate to the active configuratoin |
| 10:35.32 | dondelelcaro | s/oin/ion/ |
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| 10:35.59 | cantido | dondelelcaro: they also had the problem with developers writing rewrite rules that affected everything on the machine.. and those packages ending up boxes from the distribution network and breaking shit |
| 10:36.15 | styxnsoon | the laptop has no 10baseT-ethernet btw :p |
| 10:36.31 | gnarface | yea that's the one thing that .htaccess has that's of some use - directory-specific rewrite rule context |
| 10:36.49 | cantido | dondelelcaro: oh of course. In this situation I was suggesting they learn how to use config snippets or at least use .htaccess instead of appending stuff to the main config.. |
| 10:36.58 | gnarface | elsewise its just a feature for giving security hazards to the hands of virtualized end users or else just laziness |
| 10:37.20 | dondelelcaro | cantido: that's why you use <Directory> or <Location> directives... there's no way to protect yourself completely from idiots |
| 10:37.39 | cantido | dondelelcaro: not letting them temper with the main config is a start ;) |
| 10:37.40 | StyXman | a developer, writing rewrite rules? they don't even know how to write 'apache' |
| 10:37.52 | dondelelcaro | (since no matter what you do, you'll still have to have server-wide directives to handle specific issues that you'd want to work around) |
| 10:38.23 | anddam | anyone? I'm missing section 3 of man pages |
| 10:38.36 | anddam | how would I search for such a package? |
| 10:38.54 | StyXman | anddam: apt-file |
| 10:39.02 | dondelelcaro | anddam: you probably are looking for manpages-dev |
| 10:39.05 | anddam | no I mean what search terms |
| 10:39.10 | anddam | k thanks |
| 10:39.33 | cantido | dondelelcaro: I'm not sure there are too many specific issues you need to handle with PHP based pages.. |
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| 10:40.10 | dondelelcaro | cantido: oh, there are lots of things; if you transition from one set of uri to another, change site layout, etc. |
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| 10:40.37 | cantido | dondelelcaro: you would need server-wide directives for that? |
| 10:40.59 | dondelelcaro | cantido: sure |
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| 10:42.18 | judgen | Howdy |
| 10:42.47 | judgen | How do i set my screens do different resolutions in command line? |
| 10:42.48 | cantido | dondelelcaro: mmm never experienced that.. The main point was though that turning a feature on that is already turned on wont make things perform worse ;) |
| 10:42.59 | cantido | judgen: xrandr |
| 10:43.01 | iceroot_ | judgen: with xrandr |
| 10:43.11 | judgen | cantido: is that not for X? |
| 10:43.21 | cantido | judgen: you mean the virtual consoles? |
| 10:43.29 | iceroot_ | judgen: xrandr is a cli-tool |
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| 10:43.34 | judgen | cantido: I do not have xserver installed. |
| 10:43.47 | cantido | I'm not sure if the virtual consoles can change resolution on the fly.. |
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| 10:44.03 | cantido | you still just pass a parameter on the kernel command line AFAIK |
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| 10:44.05 | judgen | cantido: It is done by modesetting at boot i think. |
| 10:44.06 | AlexC_ | morning |
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| 10:44.24 | AlexC_ | what defines a group as a "system" group? Would a name such as "sftp-users" be a system group or a normal group? |
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| 10:45.11 | dondelelcaro | judgen: if you're using fb, you use fbset. |
| 10:45.19 | judgen | And for my other question: How do i separated my two monitors so they do not use the same terminal. I would like tt3 and 4 to be on one screen and 1 and 2 on the other. |
| 10:45.28 | judgen | dondelelcaro: thanks, i will try that. |
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| 10:46.35 | acemi | AlexC_: AFAIK group id |
| 10:47.25 | gnarface | acemi, AlexC_ anything below gid/uid 1000, i believe |
| 10:47.57 | AlexC_ | acemi: gnarface sure I know the GID limit, but what *is* a system group? |
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| 10:48.24 | anddam | by |
| 10:48.26 | anddam | bye |
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| 10:48.36 | dondelelcaro | judgen: you use X, generally speaking; you may be able to do something else if you use FB, but I don't know of anyone who does that |
| 10:49.21 | Merry | Hi All Debian Team Members |
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| 10:49.23 | Merry | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:49.54 | gnarface | AlexC_: oh that's easy. it's a user/group used for daemons and system processes and the like - any user in the system that is required to NOT allow login shells of real human users |
| 10:49.59 | acemi | AlexC_: for example normal group members can not open a TCP socket less than 1024 afaik |
| 10:50.23 | judgen | it is not a big deal, but i know i used to have two monitors about 10 years ago with different tty's on them. I think it was a redhat install, not that it should matter. |
| 10:50.30 | AlexC_ | gnarface: ok thanks, that helps. So a group name "sftp-users" would not be a system group |
| 10:50.44 | AlexC_ | acemi: indeed they can not |
| 10:50.54 | cantido | judgen: maybe thats some getty setting? |
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| 10:51.28 | gnarface | AlexC_: it's not controlled in any way by group names themselves, it's by group id/user id. check your /etc/passwd and /etc/group files to see what's already on the system |
| 10:52.11 | gnarface | AlexC_: so sftp-users COULD be a system group - depending on your setup... but if you see it in /etc/group and it's got a gid > 1000, it is definitely not |
| 10:52.15 | Merry | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:52.26 | gnarface | Merry, are you a bot? |
| 10:52.47 | Merry | nops... |
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| 10:52.59 | gnarface | that's highly suspicious... bots never admit it |
| 10:52.59 | AlexC_ | gnarface: I know, I provided that name as a way to help people to help me to know if it would be a system group. It would be a group that contained users that login and have SFTP access |
| 10:53.23 | AlexC_ | thanks for the help |
| 10:53.24 | cantido | Merry: I think you need to look at the debian-devel list or something, I dont think anyone here can help with that |
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| 10:53.44 | judgen | cantido: ill look into it, |
| 10:53.49 | gnarface | AlexC_: ah np. yea that's not by definition a system group. that's just a group for some users |
| 10:53.51 | nilesh | I installed debian initially in a standard way (simple partitions), and later created two raid0 arrays. How to activate them @boot? |
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| 10:54.32 | gnarface | nilesh: put them in your /etc/fstab |
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| 10:55.14 | Merry | ok cantidio... can u plz let me know if there is any GSOC mentor |
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| 10:55.16 | nilesh | gnarface: /dev/md0 /data ... and same for md1 in /etc/fstab? It will do the job? I'm using 6.0 squeeze |
| 10:56.01 | gnarface | nilesh: not sure from memory. i know you can even put nfs mounts in your fstab, if you have the right syntax though. you'll have to check the docs. |
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| 11:00.46 | thomax | hi |
| 11:01.14 | thomax | is there a way to get the old grub (pre-grub2) installed? |
| 11:01.37 | styxnsoon | thomax, the package is grub-legacy |
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| 11:01.54 | thomax | i really hate grub2, it's overcomlicated |
| 11:02.16 | gnarface | oh and grub 1 is not? |
| 11:02.24 | styxnsoon | thomax, endless discussions have been made on this topic. |
| 11:02.25 | gnarface | lilo is still an option, you know |
| 11:02.46 | thomax | sure, lilo is always an option |
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| 11:03.05 | benschwarz | hey folks |
| 11:03.07 | gnarface | lilo still saves my ass now and then |
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| 11:03.26 | benschwarz | I have a debian headless system that isn't connecting to the network (it used to) |
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| 11:03.30 | styxnsoon | gnarface, i still remember using lilo in the days i started using linux, with opensuse. u cant imagine how dumb i felt when i told them in a forum im using lilo. Havent tried since... |
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| 11:03.38 | judgen | oh well ill install xorg for now... hopefully i figure something out when i have a better web browser to use for searching. |
| 11:03.44 | benschwarz | is it possible to boot from usb using some form of debian live-cd |
| 11:03.47 | testerUser | hello people, aybody awake? |
| 11:04.02 | benschwarz | something small that ships wtih dynamic IP and ssh turned on? |
| 11:04.03 | thomax | ok, i purged everything related to grub2 and installed grub-legacy but it dont get me a /boot/grub :-( |
| 11:04.05 | go^ | what is wrong? -->[ 1417.926834] EXT4-fs (sda5): Unrecognized mount option "uid=1000" or missing value |
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| 11:04.16 | testerUser | is there any way to check if apt-get is connecting without a problem to a repository ? |
| 11:04.39 | petemc | run apt-get update |
| 11:04.54 | gnarface | testerUser: yea it should tell you right away in its literal output. but this mirror status monitor might help you too: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
| 11:05.27 | styxnsoon | benschwarz: sure, http://live.debian.net/manual/en/html/live-manual.html |
| 11:05.27 | gnarface | (how come nobody knows about the mirror status page?) |
| 11:05.27 | Bushmills | go^: the file system type you're mounting doesn't support that option |
| 11:05.27 | go^ | Bushmills, ext4 |
| 11:05.28 | testerUser | petemc: I run it and is ignoring the repository |
| 11:05.39 | gnarface | go^: you were root, when you tried that, right? |
| 11:05.50 | go^ | gnarface, yess i used mount -a |
| 11:05.57 | testerUser | gnarface: the problem is that I have multiples repos and aparently is reading only the official ones |
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| 11:06.20 | styxnsoon | benschwarz, or go take a look at the live forks, like knoppix - http://www.knopper.net/knoppix |
| 11:06.29 | testerUser | gnarface: so now I have a big incotibility of libs in my server |
| 11:06.38 | benschwarz | styxnsoon it needs to run on armel architechure |
| 11:07.49 | Bushmills | go^: search in man mount for "option for ext4" and you won't find uid option |
| 11:08.01 | Bushmills | "options for ext4" actually |
| 11:08.05 | gnarface | testerUser: shame on you for not using official mirrors. if the mirror is not on this list, shame on you and you will get what you deserve: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
| 11:08.13 | go^ | Bushmills, ok sorry...thank you! |
| 11:08.18 | styxnsoon | benschwarz, http://distrowatch.com/search.php?category=Live+Medium&origin=All&basedon=Debian¬basedon=None&desktop=All&architecture=armel&status=Active |
| 11:08.48 | styxnsoon | seems ur only option is debian :) |
| 11:08.48 | gnarface | ext4 is still "EXPERIMENTAL" in the kernel, right? |
| 11:08.51 | benschwarz | debian |
| 11:08.51 | benschwarz | hah |
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| 11:09.16 | benschwarz | styxnsoon whats the fastest easiest way to get it installed to a stick? |
| 11:09.18 | styxnsoon | u could look for distros not basing on debian, but thats not recommended here |
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| 11:10.02 | styxnsoon | benschwarz, u can simply dd a live-usb-img and boot from it |
| 11:10.29 | gnarface | actually if abrotman comes in here and catches any of you supporting knoppix as a solution to someone's debian problem (however helpfully) you'll get your ass whipped anyway |
| 11:10.31 | styxnsoon | benschwarz, there are some charms about allowing the sys to change data on the stick, youll probably want that |
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| 11:10.36 | thomax | grub-legacy all done, thanks |
| 11:10.52 | styxnsoon | thomax, u r welcome |
| 11:11.05 | benschwarz | styxnsoon right, so I just need to find a prebuild armel image :/ |
| 11:11.11 | testerUser | why debian ignore specific repos in the source.list ? |
| 11:11.31 | petemc | testerUser: they're ignored if they dont work |
| 11:12.02 | gnarface | testerUser: because they're broken. please review this link i sent you: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
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| 11:12.21 | gnarface | testerUser: if its not listed there, you shouldn't be using it |
| 11:13.03 | jelly | gnarface: well if it's a valid mirror the gpg signatures will still match |
| 11:13.04 | styxnsoon | benschwarz, right, prebuilt live only for i386 and amd64 |
| 11:13.36 | styxnsoon | benschwarz, u should be able to accomplish building your own with the help of the debian-live-manual i linked earlier |
| 11:13.38 | testerUser | gnarface: the problem is that the mirror Im ussing are from alienvault ossim apps, so is not in the mirror status list |
| 11:13.45 | gnarface | jelly: yea if he's got a local mirror that's kosher then it might not be in the list but might still work... but that's clearly not the case here. |
| 11:13.58 | benschwarz | styxnsoon grabbing a netinstall for virtualbox, then maybe I can build one (I use a mac) |
| 11:14.25 | testerUser | petemc: thank you |
| 11:14.26 | gnarface | testerUser: alien what? and they're broken and the relevance to debian support is what exactly? |
| 11:14.34 | styxnsoon | benschwarz, its gonna be a long journey, but its worth it. |
| 11:14.46 | testerUser | gnarface: there is no relevance to debian support, it was only a general question |
| 11:14.52 | benschwarz | styxnsoon I hope so. This device has a lot of data on it. Very sad :/ |
| 11:14.54 | testerUser | gnarface: thank you for your answer, good bye |
| 11:14.59 | gnarface | testerUser: good luck. |
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| 11:15.12 | benschwarz | It was up over a year, not sure what is happening with him :( |
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| 11:15.20 | styxnsoon | benschwarz, backup is recommended anyways. |
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| 11:15.56 | styxnsoon | benschwarz, go grab an usb-stick or an external hdd, buy some dvd-rws, anything |
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| 11:16.26 | nsi | hi |
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| 11:16.37 | styxnsoon | benschwarz, ive been through nearly losing my data today as well, but i cant complain since i havent done backups... |
| 11:17.14 | nsi | which is the best WM/DE for small screens(netbook 1024x600)??? |
| 11:18.56 | gnarface | nsi: pretty much anything but kde or gnome, assuming you have a very light theme loaded (no graphical gtk themes) |
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| 11:19.53 | jelly | I found Gnome-but-maximize-each-window ubuntu netbook edition usable |
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| 11:20.33 | gnarface | nsi: personally i like e16 but you have to know it well enough to tweak/theme it for small resolutions/video horsepower |
| 11:20.42 | twinkie_addict | whats the view on kfreebsd so far |
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| 11:23.00 | nilesh | How am I supposed to get source of a package? apt-get source package doesn't work. It complains no source package found |
| 11:23.17 | jelly | dpkg, tell nilesh about deb-src |
| 11:24.20 | jelly | nilesh: see also: "/msg dpkg source package", "/msg dpkg package rebuild" |
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| 11:26.22 | gnarface | twinkie_addict: i'm curious too. i'm even more curious about how pf runs in debian though. i LOVE using openbsd for firewalls but i hate using it for everythying else. i'm curious whether pf in debian can be a suitable replacement |
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| 11:27.54 | nilesh | another question: how do I setup default c(xx) flags as default for dpkg while compiling source packages. Also no. of jobs that make should run? |
| 11:28.30 | cantido | nilesh: make -j2 runs two jobs |
| 11:28.44 | nilesh | I know that |
| 11:29.03 | nilesh | Am I supposed to compile source packages the standard way? ./configure ... make... make install? |
| 11:29.08 | cantido | gnarface: I found OpenBSD to be pretty nice recently.. its configuration makes more sense that netbsd |
| 11:29.24 | cantido | nilesh: look at the package maint. guide.. |
| 11:29.45 | cantido | you call make etc.. if you want to wedge extra flags in you can |
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| 11:30.01 | deno | HI there |
| 11:30.06 | deno | I'm compiling the kernel |
| 11:30.13 | cantido | why? |
| 11:30.15 | deno | I have modified the /debian/control in order to get rid of a dependency but when I try to build it it says |
| 11:30.32 | nilesh | cantido: can you point me to the right guide please? |
| 11:30.36 | deno | that I have that unmet dependence even if I have modifed that file |
| 11:30.43 | deno | cantido, are you speaking with me? |
| 11:30.53 | cantido | deno: yes, why are you building a kernel |
| 11:31.09 | cantido | nilesh: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 11:31.42 | deno | cantido, I have modified the kernel because I need to get rid of some error messages |
| 11:32.00 | cantido | deno: passing quiet isnt enough? |
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| 11:32.55 | deno | cantido, uhm, can you explain it better? |
| 11:33.22 | cantido | deno: if you pass quiet on the kernel command line (look at your grub config).. the kernel will output almost nothing |
| 11:34.44 | deno | cantido, I think I have not explained myself. I m not trying to boot it, I m trying to recompile it :) |
| 11:35.41 | cantido | deno: yes, but unless you have a good reason there is no need to build your own kernel ;) |
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| 11:37.33 | deno | cantido, I have a very good reason trust me :) |
| 11:37.43 | cantido | but you cant share it? |
| 11:38.35 | deno | yep |
| 11:38.38 | deno | I said you |
| 11:38.50 | cantido | to get rid of some error messages? |
| 11:39.10 | deno | yep because I'm using this kernel on a phone |
| 11:39.18 | deno | it's a long story |
| 11:39.41 | cantido | quiet will surpress kernel output just a well on a phone |
| 11:39.47 | cantido | your bootloader should support that |
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| 11:40.39 | cantido | if you want to build custom kernels you should be using kernel-package |
| 11:41.08 | nvz | unless you wanna build kernel packages |
| 11:41.20 | nvz | in which case kernel package is useless |
| 11:41.25 | deno | i'm trying to compile it with apt-get build-dep kernel-power |
| 11:41.43 | cantido | nvz: kernel package is useless for building kernel packages? |
| 11:41.49 | cantido | really misleading name |
| 11:41.59 | deno | I'm using a modified version of debian |
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| 11:42.09 | nvz | cantido: well maybe not the new one.. but the one in Lenny, yes.. |
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| 11:42.56 | cantido | nvz: I dont think its easy to just use the package structure from a debian kernel though.. I thought that was all generated by kernel-package |
| 11:43.35 | nvz | idk about all that.. hell I don't even know if the issues with kernel-package are just incompatibilities with newer kernel source.. |
| 11:43.44 | nvz | cause I don't try building OLD kernel source |
| 11:43.51 | cantido | .35? |
| 11:44.19 | cantido | nvz: there are newer kernels in experimental of course ;) |
| 11:44.25 | nvz | all I know is the last few times I spent an hour configuring and seeral more compiling, I come to find out kernel-package is not as cool as I used to think it was |
| 11:44.41 | deno | so do you know why I have that unmet dependence even if I have modifed the debian/control |
| 11:44.42 | deno | ? |
| 11:44.54 | cantido | deno: use kernel-package.. |
| 11:44.59 | deno | I can't |
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| 11:45.00 | gnarface | cantido: openbsd configuration makes more sense to me than ANY other BSD, but that doesnt' mean i wouldn't still prefer to run debian on my firewalls if it was better :-p |
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| 11:45.11 | cantido | gnarface: PF is nice ;) |
| 11:45.13 | deno | I have to use that modified kernel |
| 11:45.24 | gnarface | cantido: yes i really like it |
| 11:45.34 | cantido | deno: is that already shipped as a deb package? |
| 11:45.55 | cantido | nvz: building a kernel on x86 doesnt take me an hour anymore :) |
| 11:46.03 | deno | I did: apt-get source kernel-power |
| 11:46.07 | cantido | building a kernel on this machine took about a day |
| 11:46.16 | deno | apt-get build-dep kernel-power |
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| 11:46.22 | cantido | deno: kernel- p a c k a g e |
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| 11:46.37 | cantido | deno: apt-cache search kernel package |
| 11:46.38 | deno | cantido, lol I can't use it |
| 11:46.47 | deno | cantido, is not the normal debian |
| 11:46.52 | nvz | cantido: yeah well last one I did was on an intel atom.. why I didn't use a different machine I'll never know |
| 11:46.53 | deno | it's an arm processor |
| 11:46.56 | cantido | Anyhow, I think you need the kbuild tree or something to actually rebuild kernel packages.. |
| 11:47.07 | gnarface | once tried to bootstrap gentoo on a 500mhz ppc laptop and ended up frying all 750MB of its pc133 RAM |
| 11:47.14 | cantido | nvz: mmm I use an Atom for everything.. |
| 11:47.25 | nvz | ugh.. I hate those things |
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| 11:47.37 | cantido | deno: debian support arm.. I presume you are using debian with a chroot in android or something |
| 11:47.42 | Stargazers | Hi. I am trying to install x3550 M3 but it does not detect my hard drives? |
| 11:47.44 | Stargazers | And ideas? |
| 11:48.20 | Stargazers | (installation hangs when partitioner tries to startup) |
| 11:48.23 | nvz | my 1.6ghz Pentium M in this 10+ year old IBM smokes my netbook with its hyper-threaded Atom, more and faster ram, faster IO controllers and disks.. etc.. |
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| 11:48.31 | deno | cantido, I'm using maemo (nokia n900) |
| 11:48.42 | nvz | leads me to believe either the atom or the HT technology sucks |
| 11:48.42 | cantido | nvz: I have ION :) muhahaha |
| 11:48.56 | deno | cantido, I need that kernel because it has been modified in order to support host mode and other cool stuff |
| 11:49.29 | cantido | deno: um.. so ask #maemo how to build kernels |
| 11:49.49 | cantido | I guess you will need a cross compiler setup as you probably dont want to build it on the device.. unless you are insane |
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| 11:50.20 | deno | cantido, already done |
| 11:50.31 | deno | cantido, I'm using a cross-compiler yep |
| 11:50.39 | deno | thank you anyway |
| 11:50.50 | cantido | deno: anyhow, I dont think you can just mess with the layout of the kernel packages.. I think kernel-package generates that |
| 11:51.13 | deno | kk |
| 11:51.17 | deno | :( |
| 11:51.29 | cantido | you can just install a normal kernel and libs though.. |
| 11:51.40 | styxnsoon | deno, maybe a stupid question, but why r u using maemo when its discontinued? meego still not sufficient for your needs? |
| 11:52.12 | cantido | s/libs/modules in /libs/ |
| 11:52.53 | jelly | !maemo |
| 11:52.53 | dpkg | Maemo is a development platform to create applications for the Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices. http://maemo.org/ #maemo on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 11:53.07 | deno | styxnsoon, what do yyou mean with discontinued? |
| 11:53.44 | jelly | deno: if you're not asking for help with a debian chroot or a debian image, try asking in #maemo channel |
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| 11:53.55 | styxnsoon | deno, i mean there will be no more maemo devices. Im holding the last of its kind in my hand right now, the nokia n900. |
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| 11:54.22 | styxnsoon | deno, nokia and intel teamed up to develop meego, fully compatible with maemo |
| 11:54.35 | cantido | styxnsoon: and now nokia have teamed up with microsoft |
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| 11:54.43 | cantido | styxnsoon: so bye bye nokia linux devices |
| 11:54.44 | styxnsoon | deno, but last week nokia thought it might be a good idea to jump in bed with ms |
| 11:54.45 | rhada | where can I get the live image of squuze that I boot from a usb drive |
| 11:54.54 | styxnsoon | dont tell me, im already crying |
| 11:54.57 | rhada | squeeze |
| 11:54.57 | deno | styxnsoon, yes I'm also using a N900 and I don't mind about that |
| 11:55.15 | gnarface | Stargazers: its just an idea but have you tried setting it's bios to parallel ide compatibility mode? |
| 11:55.29 | styxnsoon | meego is really cool on netbooks already, booting in less than 10s |
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| 11:55.30 | deno | styxnsoon, I know.. no more nokia phones for me :) |
| 11:55.34 | Stargazers | gnarface: There is "native" and "compatibility" mode, I havbe tried both -> no success. |
| 11:55.41 | cantido | they should have just adopted android.. they killed symbian in the west |
| 11:55.42 | sunkan | I find that sometimes when doing "apt-get update" the updates don't show. I see no other errors, but my suspiscion is that it's due to tha caching squid proxies being used. I have only fixed it by removing the files in /var/lib/apt/lists/* sounds familiar to anyone? |
| 11:55.43 | styxnsoon | http://nokiaplanb.com/2011/02/14/an-open-letter-to-nokia-shareholders-and-institutional-investors/ |
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| 11:55.55 | gnarface | Stargazers: sorry it was just an idea :-/ |
| 11:56.04 | Stargazers | gnarface: Thank you anyway :) |
| 11:56.06 | deno | styxnsoon, have you tried to compile the power-kernel source on scratchbox? |
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| 11:56.44 | styxnsoon | deno, i have been quite happy with what community provides until now, sry |
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| 11:56.59 | deno | k |
| 11:57.31 | nilesh | I was able to set CFLAGS, CXXFLAGS. How do I set no. of make jobs that should run parallely? I'm compiling a source pacakge. Not creating a new package. make -j2 will run two jobs, where to config this as a default? |
| 11:57.38 | gnarface | Stargazers: its possible the raid controller isn't supported by the installer you're using. you could try the unstable installer, or the backports-enabled installer (i forget what it's called but it starts with a K) |
| 11:57.46 | nilesh | I used dpkg-buildpkg -rfakeroot to build it |
| 11:57.46 | styxnsoon | deno, but u know maemo garage for asking that kind of stuff? |
| 11:58.00 | cantido | nilesh: make is called in the package scripts.. |
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| 11:58.01 | Stargazers | Jeah. I will try if even Ubuntu works :/ |
| 11:58.06 | Stargazers | When it is downloaded... |
| 11:58.09 | styxnsoon | deno, https://garage.maemo.org/ |
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| 11:58.42 | nilesh | cantido: Can't we set the no. of jobs make should run as a default? Like its possible by setting MAKEOPTS=-j2 in /etc/make.conf (freebsd,gentoo) |
| 11:58.46 | nilesh | there's no such way? |
| 11:59.04 | deno | styxnsoon, i didn't thanks |
| 11:59.08 | cantido | nilesh: well, you arent meant to build all your stuff yourself |
| 11:59.41 | rhada | I am looking for the live squeeze image I can boot from a usb can someone give me a url please |
| 11:59.41 | nilesh | cantido: but the things I'm building are big, openssl, php, mysql.. and it will be much better if I use all 7 cores of my cpu instead of just one? |
| 11:59.52 | cantido | think off all the dolphins gentoo users are killing with there useless compiling |
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| 12:00.07 | benschwarz | how can I list ipv6 devices on my network? |
| 12:00.13 | cantido | nilesh: you think compiling with different CFLAGS will make those magically multithreaded? |
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| 12:00.41 | nilesh | cantido: nah I'm not looking for multithreading. I'm looking for faster compilation |
| 12:00.53 | nilesh | make -j7 will be much faster than make |
| 12:00.55 | nilesh | that's why |
| 12:00.57 | cantido | nilesh: why are you rebuilding them in the first place? |
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| 12:01.29 | benschwarz | I was thinking I might be able to ssh to my non ipv4 connecting machine using ipv6? |
| 12:01.30 | nilesh | Well, to get efficency [now don't fight that compiler optimization isn't of any use] |
| 12:01.55 | cantido | nilesh: except that there are no benchmarks to suggest any decent improvement? |
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| 12:02.16 | nilesh | cantido: leave that part... just tell me how to configure make jobs |
| 12:02.18 | nilesh | that's all |
| 12:02.57 | cantido | if you were on ARM and everything was configured for softfloat when you have a hard FPU you might want to recompile.. weird enough there is an attempt to do that within debian |
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| 12:03.05 | cantido | because it might actually make a difference |
| 12:03.56 | nilesh | cantido: The stuff in repos is compiled for general cpu. I compile with -march=native -mtune=native. Which improves loops, etc. of the program |
| 12:04.11 | cantido | nilesh: really? really really? |
| 12:04.20 | sunkan | rhada: Go to debian.org - click "Getting Debian" - click "Download a small installation image" - then click the link for "Tiny CDs, USB sticks, etc." and the type of machine you are using.. |
| 12:04.24 | nilesh | cantido: ask bonsaikitten on #gentoo |
| 12:04.32 | cantido | yes, on #gentoo |
| 12:04.42 | nilesh | cantido: he has benchmarked them |
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| 12:05.01 | cantido | is it a bigger than 0.00001% difference? |
| 12:05.16 | sunkan | rhada: Hmm.. live you said.. Then go to http://live.debian.net/ |
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| 12:05.50 | nilesh | cantido: I don't know. As far as my experience is considered, the compiled things work way faster than precompiled ones |
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| 12:06.50 | cantido | nilesh: I've seen benchmarks that show precompiled debian binaries being "faster" |
| 12:07.27 | nilesh | cantido: can you let me do what I want? Just tell me how to increase the no. of make jobs. That's all. |
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| 12:07.45 | nilesh | sorry if i was rude |
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| 12:08.18 | cantido | nilesh: well, I'm amazed that you can know about the huge performance differences changing a few flags can have, but can't work out where make is called in those packages ;) |
| 12:08.20 | rhada | sunkan: thanks i saw this page http://live.debian.net/cdimage/weekly-builds/squeeze/current/amd64/usb-hdd/ dated 01/02/11 |
| 12:08.42 | stew | nilesh: you'd want to send make a -j, see the make manpage |
| 12:09.02 | sunkan | rhada: Then you want http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/amd64/usb-hdd/ |
| 12:09.10 | nilesh | stew: I want to build .debs but compile the things faster using make -j7 |
| 12:09.22 | nilesh | stew: make -j7 is for traditional process |
| 12:09.23 | rigved | hi everyone...can anyone tell me where i can get the pxeboot image for debian squeeze? i already have the dvd 1 image. |
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| 12:09.30 | nilesh | stew: how to do this in dpkg-buildpkg one |
| 12:09.31 | nilesh | ? |
| 12:09.32 | stew | nilesh: so what is the problem then? |
| 12:09.51 | stew | nilesh: you edit debian/ruiles (/msg dpkg debian/rules) |
| 12:10.01 | stew | debian/rules rather |
| 12:10.10 | cantido | dpkg-buildpackage supports -j apparently.. |
| 12:10.23 | cantido | but I'm pretty sure its up to how the package has been created |
| 12:10.31 | stew | it doesn't |
| 12:10.44 | cantido | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-dpkg-bugs@lists.debian.org/msg04422.html |
| 12:10.53 | cantido | not integrated yet? |
| 12:10.56 | stew | ahh, i guess it does now |
| 12:11.10 | dimir | http://www.infoworld.com/t/unix/nine-traits-the-veteran-unix-admin-276 |
| 12:11.13 | rhada | sunkan: yes I have seen this page and I did make a usb boot of the kde version but it will not update or it will not let be update it appears very buggy the applications fail to start |
| 12:11.13 | stew | but it relies on support from the source package itself |
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| 12:11.49 | cantido | I dont get how you can know about cflags and not use grep to find where make is called though ;) |
| 12:12.05 | sunkan | rhada: Ok, I have not been using current live images much yet so I can't comment on that. |
| 12:12.08 | stew | nilesh: so you can try passing -j to dpkg-buildpackag, but I wouldn't expect it to have an effect on every source package |
| 12:12.42 | nilesh | stew: hmm, as per the man page it says it is equivalent to make -jX |
| 12:12.45 | rhada | sunkan: i will try another desktop version thanks |
| 12:12.47 | nilesh | stew: thanks |
| 12:13.00 | nilesh | cantido: I setup cflags in /etc/dpkg/buildpackage.conf |
| 12:13.06 | cantido | nilesh: it needs to be integrated with the call to make in the package though |
| 12:13.14 | cantido | nilesh: so it might not work for everything |
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| 12:15.48 | aguitel | is dpkg-reconfigure -a a valid operation to fix the system ? |
| 12:16.50 | stew | aguitel: how is the system broken? |
| 12:17.46 | aguitel | stew, gdm3 is not working for me |
| 12:17.55 | Bartzy | Is it possible to extend ext3 partitions online ? |
| 12:17.57 | Bartzy | while mounted ? |
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| 12:18.33 | stew | aguitel: then "dpkg-reconfigure gdm3" is a much more targetted command |
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| 12:19.06 | stew | aguitel: or running gdmsetup |
| 12:19.15 | aguitel | stew, i remove gdm3 and install gdm |
| 12:19.17 | stew | Bartzy: yes, using resize2fs |
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| 12:21.01 | aguitel | stew, do you heard some bugs in gdm3? |
| 12:21.31 | stew | aguitel: they would be listed here: http://bugs.debian.org/gdm3 |
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| 12:22.14 | abrotman | some bugs ... |
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| 12:24.22 | Bartzy | stew: thanks. |
| 12:24.30 | Bartzy | Is it recommended to use LVM for the root partition ? |
| 12:24.57 | Bartzy | Or should I use regular ext3 partitions for /boot and /root (20gb for example) and leave the rest for LVM (my data) ? |
| 12:25.03 | Bartzy | This is a File server. |
| 12:25.18 | aguitel | abrotman, stew with gdm3 installed ,cannot login when startup or shutdown option ,it not load and only login with console |
| 12:25.40 | abrotman | aguitel: in squeeze? |
| 12:25.44 | aguitel | sorry for my english |
| 12:25.50 | aguitel | abrotman, yes |
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| 12:27.39 | styxnsoon | Bartzy, no concerns with your plans from my place. lvm for root is no problem, if u dont want access to that partition with some medieval tool not knowing lvm. |
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| 12:30.52 | abrotman | Does this mean the debian-volatile list/project are completely dead ? |
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| 12:31.58 | Cozminsky | abrotman: volatile is now under squeeze-updates on the main mirrors, I don't think that means they're dead |
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| 12:33.18 | Bartzy | styxnsoon: How grub handles root partition on LVM ? |
| 12:33.26 | Bartzy | styxnsoon: I also think /boot can't be on LVM ? |
| 12:33.35 | abrotman | Cozminsky: i'm aware of that .. that wasn't really what i was asking |
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| 12:47.24 | twinkie_addict | o/ |
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| 12:49.10 | abrotman | wolfric: instead of? |
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| 13:00.40 | Daniellllllllll | When I try to move a copy of a folder (with files and subdirs/files) into the original folder, I get an error message: mv -f copy-of-folder/* folder/ ERROR IS mv: cannot move `/home/daniel/copy-of-folder/' to `folder/': Directory not empty |
| 13:00.50 | Daniellllllllll | How to fix it? |
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| 13:07.28 | wolfric | abrotman: sha512 for example? |
| 13:07.47 | Bartzy | Is it recommended to use LVM for the root partition ? |
| 13:07.50 | Bartzy | Or should I use regular ext3 partitions for /boot and /root (20gb for example) and leave the rest for LVM (my data) ? |
| 13:07.52 | Bartzy | This is a File server. |
| 13:08.02 | abrotman | wolfric: i thought i saw a discussion about this on a mailing list a bit ago .. though I may be mistaken |
| 13:08.15 | abrotman | wolfric: i'd imagine it ended something like "md5 is good enough" ? |
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| 13:09.14 | abrotman | wolfric: and the admin can change if they want to |
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| 13:10.00 | homie | cause my unicode table for 2200.. does only show just a few symbols |
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| 13:18.54 | Bartzy | abrotman: How ? |
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| 13:19.06 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 13:24.20 | apollo13 | twinkie_addict: hmm I use both of them and have no problem with either of them⦠|
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| 13:47.39 | raidghost | I need to know what symtoms i should look for. I got a motherboard with some ram. I connected the powersystem. And added a AGP grapical card. |
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| 13:47.56 | raidghost | The fan is running on both cpu and the card. But nothing more happends. What could be wrong? |
| 13:48.06 | raidghost | no response at the screen and no beeping. |
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| 13:48.30 | Tidz | i have had a similar problem lately.. check your ram |
| 13:48.46 | raidghost | The ram is brand new |
| 13:48.49 | raidghost | 8GB of DDR2 |
| 13:49.14 | tvm | i'd try to reseat the RAM and GFX. |
| 13:49.17 | dvs | could be the wrong speed |
| 13:49.18 | Tidz | doesn't guarantee anything, you should try with ram you're sure works fine. |
| 13:49.27 | tvm | maybe bios reset if this doesn't helps. |
| 13:49.46 | raidghost | bios reset i\ve tried to do. But bios wont let me reset |
| 13:49.48 | petern_ | hi, some times when rhythmbox changes song, empathy goes offline... any... help? |
| 13:49.49 | RichiH | just to make sure: i have a lvm volume with xfs mounted and exported via nfs. i need to grow said xfs fily system. from all i know, i should be able to resize the lvm volume while it's mounted. i _must_ grow the xfs partition while it's mounted and nfs should be able to handle this without a glitch as well, no? |
| 13:50.12 | raidghost | tvm: have tried to reseat the ram and the GFX |
| 13:50.21 | raidghost | But nothing more specical is happening. |
| 13:50.22 | Tidz | you can reset your cmos by placing a jumper |
| 13:50.32 | tvm | yep, as tidz said. |
| 13:50.38 | raidghost | i*ve been searching the motherboard for that jumper |
| 13:50.42 | raidghost | but all i find is a red button |
| 13:50.43 | tvm | there should be one. |
| 13:50.50 | raidghost | That the manual says i should press for 5 sec to reset |
| 13:50.55 | raidghost | but no response at all |
| 13:50.58 | tvm | hmm. |
| 13:51.15 | tvm | so maybe one of the components if fubar. |
| 13:51.21 | tvm | s/if/is/ |
| 13:51.26 | raidghost | Have not added any components |
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| 13:51.34 | raidghost | the motherboard is a: |
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| 13:52.23 | raidghost | K9N SLI Platinum MS 7250 VER 1.0 from msi. It says N1996 |
| 13:52.30 | raidghost | dont know if that gives much of info. |
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| 13:53.49 | raidghost | i have another motherboard that counts 8GB when ram added. but only support 4GB |
| 13:53.55 | raidghost | If i install windows 7 with 64bits support |
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| 13:54.01 | raidghost | will i get to use the 4 left GB ? |
| 13:54.23 | Tidz | i do suppose you have tried replacing yoru CMOS battery? |
| 13:54.30 | sep | raidghost, no led. or led connector so you get more diagnostics ? |
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| 13:55.45 | raidghost | sep: no led. |
| 13:55.55 | raidghost | Nothing. just a green ugly colorfull motherboard. |
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| 13:56.26 | smhar | I am not getting sound in gnome, I tried alsamixer and enabled everything. then alsa force-reload but the setting in alsamixer settings are not kept |
| 13:56.53 | Tidz | CMOS battery shouldn't prevent post though.. |
| 13:56.59 | raidghost | Tidz: replacing the battery ive tried |
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| 13:58.22 | Tidz | raidghost: it has occured to me new, but defunct ram prevented post |
| 13:58.29 | Kohlrabi | I got a weird problem after upgrading from lenny to squeeze: On this box both KDE3 and GNOME were installed, so KDE got updated to KDE4 in the process. When strating a GNOME session both Icedove and Iceweasel have display errors (items in lists are moved half a row down). This does not occur in KDE4. What could be the cause? |
| 13:58.33 | sep | raidghost, there are multiple agp versions as well iirc. you have the right card ? |
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| 13:59.08 | sep | you should also try to boot it without ram and verify you get to correct error message beeps |
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| 13:59.38 | sep | this sounds almost like #hardware |
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| 14:00.09 | raidghost | sep: Ive tried with different cards |
| 14:00.15 | Skyld | Wondering if anyone has experience with installing Squeeze on a Samsung N150 netbook, I am having trouble with the backlight |
| 14:00.20 | raidghost | and normal default vga cards . No response at all |
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| 14:00.41 | raidghost | So i guess i just dump it in the trashbin. |
| 14:00.57 | raidghost | been using to much time on searching for what could be wrong. |
| 14:01.12 | Tidz | raidghost:.. have you already tried booting with a single unit of tested ram? |
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| 14:01.26 | raidghost | Tidz: YES. |
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| 14:02.14 | Tidz | you could always consider a pci diagnostic card.. |
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| 14:02.29 | raidghost | on. Do that exist. didnt know that |
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| 14:02.56 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 14:03.19 | raidghost | morning |
| 14:03.53 | Tidz | it seems very likely it won't be of much use.. |
| 14:03.59 | Tidz | though |
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| 14:04.24 | gnarface | raidghost: that's #hardware for sure, but if your motherboard manual lists trouble codes its fairly easy to figure out what's burnt out simply by booting it with one thing at a time (first power supply and motherboard only, then power supply and cpu, then power supply cpu, ram, etc) |
| 14:06.05 | raidghost | gnarface: i dont have the manual for the card. I got it from a friend that did upgrade to another CPU. |
| 14:06.41 | mentor | gnarface: Modern systems generally won't even turn on with out a CPU |
| 14:07.07 | gnarface | raidghost: now i really know you're in way over your head. lemme give you a hint: msi is still in business and you know the motherboard model; go download a pdf of the freaking manual |
| 14:07.35 | gnarface | mentor: this is his first time lets not skip steps. |
| 14:07.44 | mentor | er |
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| 14:09.11 | gnarface | raidghost: fyi the FIRST thing you should have done is get a recent edition of the manual from the official source and then read it cover to cover. but this is really a #hardware discussion. |
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| 14:09.15 | mentor | My point was that I don't think any information can be gained from the first steps because nothing will happen. There is no failure mode. |
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| 14:09.43 | gnarface | mentor: you don't even KNOW that for sure though. the point is to be systematic and he hasn't even read the manual |
| 14:09.52 | gnarface | and its OFF TOPIC |
| 14:10.09 | mentor | sighs |
| 14:10.18 | mentor | It doesn't matter if I don't know that for sure |
| 14:10.20 | gnarface | he could have his ram chips in the wrong slots |
| 14:10.28 | gnarface | his pwm could be DOA |
| 14:10.37 | gnarface | his friend could have given him a bunk board |
| 14:10.46 | gnarface | you can't know crap at this point |
| 14:10.58 | mentor | The fact there is doubt means that the logical inference "nothing happens->something is wrong" cannot be made |
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| 14:12.05 | gnarface | yea its also possible he suffers from a bios bug that makes his video card take super long to post (more than 60 seconds) and he's just turning it back off and it would work fine if he was just patient |
| 14:13.14 | mentor | gnarface: RIght, let's do this step by step. With only the power supply and motherboard connected, what outcomes are you expecting? |
| 14:13.55 | gnarface | i would expect "no cpu" beep trouble code |
| 14:13.57 | smhar | I am not getting sound in gnome, I tried alsamixer and enabled everything. then alsa force-reload but the setting in alsamixer settings are not kept |
| 14:14.07 | gnarface | or else the "no ram" beep trouble code |
| 14:14.27 | gnarface | if nothing - motherboard suspect |
| 14:14.45 | gnarface | but plug everything in at once and get nothing - how do you know what is wrong? |
| 14:14.47 | mentor | gnarface: Yes, exactly wrong. |
| 14:14.48 | gnarface | it could be anything at that point |
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| 14:15.14 | mentor | gnarface: Some systems just won't do anything, which means you cannot infer that the motherboard is broken. |
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| 14:15.52 | gnarface | mentor: you are right about that, but if it does nothing with everything plugged in then it can be ANYTHING that is plugged in. so you have to start somewhere, no? |
| 14:16.42 | gnarface | without a read through of the manual its speculation anyway. the manual would say what to expect, if it's not bottom-grade hardware |
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| 14:18.01 | mentor | Not even wrong |
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| 14:18.07 | gnarface | most motherboards when powered correctly will at least throw a series of beeps to tell you a major component (cpu, ram, etc) is missing |
| 14:18.27 | gnarface | assuming you got the pc speaker hooked up at least |
| 14:18.43 | mentor | sighs |
| 14:18.54 | Bushmills | most systems do the "zero beeps" error indicator if there's no speaker connected |
| 14:19.11 | mentor | This test won't verify the false hypothesis is my point |
| 14:19.16 | gnarface | Bushmills: certainly but i told him to read the motherboard manual first did i not? |
| 14:19.17 | mentor | Bushmills: What's that? |
| 14:20.23 | Bushmills | mentor: if you hear zero beeps, there's no speaker connected. otherwise, if there is, the warning will not sound. |
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| 14:21.44 | mentor | looks enpizzled |
| 14:21.49 | mentor | enpuzzled |
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| 14:22.15 | gnarface | mentor: Bushmills statement about the "zero beeps" trouble code is a statement made in satire |
| 14:22.27 | mentor | :) |
| 14:22.58 | cantido | you can get a "POST" card to see whats going on |
| 14:23.00 | deno | hi |
| 14:23.08 | cantido | but getting the codes for your board can be difficult |
| 14:23.39 | gnarface | cantido: can but shouldn't. if it's not 3rd rate hardware that's one of the primary things that is always in the manual, along with what types of cpu and ram the thing supports |
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| 14:24.01 | gnarface | or how strong the power supply needs to be to even power up the motherboard |
| 14:24.07 | gnarface | to name a few examplesfor example |
| 14:24.07 | spink | hi, I haven't got the time yet to upgrade from lenny->squeeze, but I see there are security updates already for squeeze, especially the one for openssl. Is there a way to install the squeeze security updates to my lenny system ? |
| 14:24.23 | gnarface | spink: are you mental? |
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| 14:24.27 | cantido | gnarface: you can still have errors though... |
| 14:24.32 | dockimble | i have an installation of debian squeeze and it will not mount fat32 filesystems (e.g. USB drives) - how do i fix this? |
| 14:24.51 | spink | gnarface, last time I checked yes |
| 14:24.54 | cantido | gnarface: boards with the POST output on the back panel give you a lot more info than the beeps do |
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| 14:25.38 | gnarface | cantido: no doubt but we're not all that fancy :-p most of us have to rely on the beeps then if something still doesn't work try swapping pieces one at a time for equivalent hardware |
| 14:26.18 | gnarface | its remarkably effective, if you're systematic and don't just plug everything in at once and go on irc and beg for help without reading the manual first when nothing works on the first try |
| 14:26.43 | cantido | yeah, thats fair enough.. you can only encode so much into beeps |
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| 14:26.55 | cantido | removing stuff and jamming it back in is a good plan |
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| 14:27.36 | grandmoun | Hi |
| 14:27.50 | grandmoun | I use mysql 5.0 on debian lenny! |
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| 14:28.05 | gnarface | lemme give an example... say you got power supply, video card, and ram plugged in and you get a "no cpu" trouble beep, but when you plug in the cpu you get silence.... by deductive logic can you get what is broken? |
| 14:28.09 | cantido | weldone! |
| 14:28.11 | grandmoun | I need to upgrade to mysql-server 5.1 from backport |
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| 14:28.30 | OpenTokix | grandmoun: Why not just upgrade to squeeze? |
| 14:28.46 | grandmoun | good idea |
| 14:28.59 | gnarface | sure at that point the cpu could be functional and just need special bios-config hand-holding (or a full bios upgrade) but at least you've narrowed it down to NOT THE ANYTHING ELSE |
| 14:29.04 | dockimble | nevermind, found it |
| 14:29.13 | cantido | gnarface: um, dont you need the cpu for it to beep? |
| 14:29.13 | dockimble | /dev/sdb1 was pointing to cdrom |
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| 14:30.57 | cantido | I thought the beeps codes where "can't init memory" and "can't init primary graphics" and that was about it |
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| 14:31.08 | gnarface | cantido: i think it depends on the motherboard but the last few manuals i've read i recall clearly stating error beep codes for failing to post for typical standard reasons of ram fail and cpu fail AT LEAST. now hearing a error beep without a power supply, that would be something special.... |
| 14:32.00 | cantido | power supply issues can be really weird.. I dont think you get a beep for those, just the machine does weird shit all the time |
| 14:32.00 | Skyld | Anyone know how I can find the brightness_in_hardware option for laptop backlights? Lots of forum posts seem to point to it being in a HAL FDI file, but I cannot even find those on Squeeze |
| 14:32.05 | cantido | like suddenly cutting out |
| 14:32.38 | grandmoun | How can i migrate to squeeze from lenny? |
| 14:33.06 | dvs | grandmoun: Install manual |
| 14:33.07 | OpenTokix | grandmoun: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and then dist-upgrade, I am sure there is something on the debian wiki for details |
| 14:33.11 | themill | grandmoun: /topic |
| 14:33.29 | themill | OpenTokix, grandmoun: there's quite a bit more to it than that; please read the release notes. |
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| 14:33.45 | gnarface | cantido: yea if it's functional but irregular in voltage/amperage, or it works fine until the optical drives spin up then they put it under too much load and it starts to dip slightly below the specs the motherboard needs... yea you can get all kinds of weird shit (usually random reboots similar in behavior to overheating) |
| 14:33.46 | OpenTokix | themill: usually not |
| 14:33.51 | OpenTokix | themill: but I told him to read |
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| 14:34.01 | dvs | OpenTokix: you will get stuck if you just dist-upgrade |
| 14:34.07 | OpenTokix | dvs: I havent |
| 14:34.24 | OpenTokix | Done it many times |
| 14:34.27 | themill | OpenTokix: there most definitely is a lot more to it than that for most installations. The instructions in the release notes are there for a reason. |
| 14:34.27 | dvs | OpenTokix: you're lucky because you probably upgraded your kernel |
| 14:34.35 | OpenTokix | dvs: ofc I did. |
| 14:34.43 | dvs | that's why |
| 14:35.05 | OpenTokix | dvs: why wouldnt I? |
| 14:35.19 | themill | grandmoun: note that you'll probably have to manually reinstall mysql after the upgrade; /msg dpkg mysql squeeze |
| 14:35.38 | dvs | OpenTokix: That's why you lucked out and the upgrade worked for you. |
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| 14:35.42 | grandmoun | thanks guy!! |
| 14:35.46 | OpenTokix | dvs: Luck has nothing to do with it. |
| 14:36.21 | dvs | Oh yes it did |
| 14:36.32 | dvs | Without reading the instructions, it sure did. |
| 14:36.40 | OpenTokix | dvs: ok |
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| 14:37.02 | themill | OpenTokix: if you're upgrading from lenny to squeeze without following the procedure outlined in the release notes, then luck *does* have a lot to do with it. You have one of the package sets that upgrades nicely and simply and hardware that doesn't cause the udev upgrade problems.. There are many package sets that cause significant problems if you follow the instructions you gave. |
| 14:37.15 | Tidz | hm, apparently my brightness problem was caused by some conflict between kms and uvesafb |
| 14:37.29 | Tidz | :p solved |
| 14:37.30 | OpenTokix | themill: yes, I know - I dont have piece of shit systems on piece of shit hardware. |
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| 14:45.06 | Skyld | Interesting problem with the gnome power manager's backlight bar: It supports values between 0-100%, but my backlight only supports 0-7, and as a result, if I adjust that bar, it doesn't correspond properly to the backlight settings |
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| 14:45.40 | Skyld | It works properly from 0-7% and then when I go above that, it starts back at 0, and because of this, the backlight dimming is broken too and causing an annoying backlight flickering |
| 14:45.42 | Skyld | Any ideas? :( |
| 14:45.42 | robokop | is there a way to start gnome-screensaver from gdm for all logins? it should ie also work if the user chooses xfce or kde as session |
| 14:47.51 | gnarface | know what seems surprising to me? stock debian exim has no way to set up spam filtering on virtual mail domains without tons of manual config editing. don't get me wrong i can do this manually at this point... but doesn't it seem weird that most people install some huge postfix nightmare (email in databases... something about that just gives me the shivers) to accomplish it because there's no drop-in solution otherwise? |
| 14:48.22 | stew | gnarface: if you are saying that most people put email in a database, you are wrong |
| 14:48.43 | cantido | people store mail in databases?? |
| 14:48.57 | gnarface | stew: does not postfix require mysql? am i wrong about that? |
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| 14:49.31 | cantido | gnarface: people use mysql for users etc |
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| 14:49.52 | gnarface | oh i thought it was the whole thing. i thought postfix put all the data into the database |
| 14:50.10 | cantido | I didnt have any issues configuring spam filtering for exim in a bunch of different configs.. including domains/users coming from mysql |
| 14:50.48 | gnarface | anyway i hate it purely for superstitious reasons not founded in personal experience, i just think its weird you have to spend 3 months reading exim4 config syntax to be able to set up virtual domains using exim |
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| 14:51.20 | cantido | gnarface: mail servers are beastly.. thats nothing new ;) |
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| 14:51.39 | gnarface | cantido: but ... postfix... it's a crime against humanity! |
| 14:52.00 | cantido | qmails human unreadable logfiles are a crime |
| 14:52.17 | gnarface | qmail's LICENSE terms are a crime |
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| 14:52.29 | ansgar | gnarface: Why? I find Postfix rather painles... |
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| 14:52.47 | gnarface | cantido: see what i mean? ^^^ |
| 14:53.40 | cantido | Im not sure if you are for postfix or against it heh |
| 14:53.46 | johnfg | Just installed & configured fetchmail, but only put the places I wanted to pop. |
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| 14:54.01 | cantido | debians exim config is hackable, you can get what you want out of it without much pain |
| 14:54.07 | cantido | testing all the time helps ;) |
| 14:54.15 | johnfg | fetchmail downloaded (fetched) a bunch of mail, but I don't see it anywhere. Mutt doesn't see it. |
| 14:54.27 | johnfg | Do I have to tell fetchmail where to put what it pops? |
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| 14:54.41 | gnarface | i'm against it but here's what i'm saying... i should be able to dpkg-reconfigure exim4 and setup virtual domains. i shouldn't have had to read that fucking cambridge book. don't get me wrong it was enlightening but now i'm wondering why such a common setup has slipped out of the realm of stock features |
| 14:55.37 | gnarface | i LOVE exim4 but most people i know who run mail servers hate it mostly because postfix shows it up from the standpoint of ease of setup for common multi-domain configurations |
| 14:55.42 | cantido | gnarface: are you delivering to real users? |
| 14:55.46 | petemc | gnarface: that argument is well trodden ground, check the bts for people saying similar and the developers response |
| 14:55.56 | gnarface | petemc: bts? |
| 14:56.00 | abrotman | really? |
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| 14:56.04 | abrotman | !btssmite gnarface |
| 14:56.05 | dpkg | beats gnarface around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if gnarface is running testing or unstable |
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| 14:56.10 | gnarface | cantido: some real users AND some non-real users |
| 14:56.31 | themill | Anyone setting up that sort of mailing should have sufficient clue to do this themselves. I don't want them setting up a mailserver if they can't do that. Or work out how to replace exim with postfix. |
| 14:56.44 | cantido | mmm I wrote some lines for pulling users from LDAP etc and it wasnt all the bad |
| 14:56.45 | gnarface | abrotman: sorry just wasn't aware the shorthand for it was 'bts' |
| 14:56.56 | courpse | Im doing something real stupid im sure, but sudo chroot --userspec=test:test /home/test |
| 14:57.02 | courpse | Keeps saying invalid user... |
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| 14:58.06 | gnarface | themill: but see, postfix lets you do this without the requisite knowledge you suggest is mandatory, and that's exactly what bothers me about the dichotomy between it and exim's highly manual config (which for myself i'd still choose mind you) - it makes it really hard to justify exim in commercial deployment |
| 14:58.39 | themill | gnarface: are you saying that "dpkg-reconfigure postfix" is all you need to do for that? |
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| 14:59.09 | gnarface | no, what i'm saying is i can't ever convince clients to let me set up exim because everyone thinks postfix is far easier to manage |
| 14:59.12 | gnarface | that's what i'm saying |
| 14:59.16 | cantido | if you have some real and some virtual users would a configuration script be able to do that? |
| 14:59.18 | gnarface | and it hurts me badly inside |
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| 15:00.12 | cantido | gnarface: people deploy exchange too.. does that make you cry? |
| 15:00.23 | gnarface | every. fucking. day. |
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| 15:00.46 | cantido | doesnt mind exchange or AD |
| 15:00.57 | cantido | someone had to make LDAP usable heh |
| 15:01.09 | themill | So this is really just an argument about exim's config system and postfix's config system? And here was I thinking it was something to do with #debian. |
| 15:02.09 | stew | gnarface: postfix doesn't require mysql at all |
| 15:02.19 | gnarface | shuts up before he violates his probation and gets banned again |
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| 15:02.56 | cantido | people do deploy postfix with mysql for dynamic reconfiguration.. |
| 15:03.01 | cantido | you can do the same with exim though |
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| 15:03.14 | cantido | exim has ldap lookups etc built in |
| 15:03.21 | themill | gnarface: if you have great ideas for making exim easier to configure, I'm sure #exim would love you to share them, preferably with patches, of course. |
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| 15:04.44 | gnarface | well i did put together a good default configuration that i'm proud of, but i have a feeling they'd tell me that if they wanted that shit in their mainline they'd just be postfix |
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| 15:05.43 | cantido | does postfix have those configs built in? |
| 15:05.57 | gnarface | so i've been told |
| 15:06.14 | gnarface | trivially configurable on install, at least |
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| 15:11.13 | gnarface | it honestly seemed to me to be more of a distro specific issue |
| 15:11.24 | gnarface | i mean there's exim-deamon-heavy and exim-daemon-light right? |
| 15:11.32 | gnarface | why can't there be exim-daemon-multidomain |
| 15:11.34 | gnarface | or something? |
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| 15:11.50 | gnarface | too much to ask? |
| 15:11.52 | abrotman | gnarface: have you offered to help co-maintain the package? |
| 15:12.26 | petemc | marc haber is keen to pass it on |
| 15:12.43 | gnarface | abrotman: i'm in no position to offer any such assistance if i can't even convince #debian it's not a stupid, misplaced idea |
| 15:12.45 | abrotman | would be too |
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| 15:13.07 | abrotman | gnarface: #debian is not a Developer's channel .. very few people here even maintain packages for Debian |
| 15:13.10 | stew | is there someone arguing that exim should be difficult to configure? |
| 15:13.32 | stew | perhaps I'm really just not understanding the problem |
| 15:13.44 | stew | or how postfix is any different in this regard |
| 15:13.56 | gnarface | ... i uh... no? the arguement i read between the lines was "you're an idiot, its already easy enough. you just had a hard time doing it because you're a noob. nobody needs this as a default config" |
| 15:14.42 | stew | what argument? |
| 15:14.46 | gnarface | postfix is only different in this regard according to everyone else i've talked to who chose it instead of exim to do virtual domains |
| 15:15.12 | gnarface | stew: virtual domain mail serving with spam filtering and ssl |
| 15:15.43 | gnarface | MULTIPLE virtual domains, that is.... as setting up just one is actually trivial |
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| 15:16.11 | stew | gnarface: do exim-daemon-heavy and exim-daemon-light provide a different configuration? |
| 15:16.37 | gnarface | yes... don't they? |
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| 15:18.11 | gnarface | at the very least i'm sure they provide different configuration options... i would assume that means a different default configuration as well, even if most of it is commented out |
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| 15:19.47 | silverhand | Hi, I would appreciate some help with installing the latest version of git on my Debian System. The articles a google search yielded were for updating to versions older than the one I've already got. |
| 15:20.13 | daemonkeeper | !release notes |
| 15:20.13 | dpkg | Release Notes for Debian 6.0 (Squeeze) are at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze . Also ask me about <i-g>, <firmware images>, <install squeeze>, <errata>, <lenny->squeeze>. |
| 15:20.26 | dkr | silverhand: aptitude install git? |
| 15:20.36 | mullein | git-core actually |
| 15:20.41 | daemonkeeper | Oh, sorry missed "git" *g* |
| 15:20.57 | silverhand | dkr: I've read this does not install the latest. |
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| 15:21.20 | mullein | dkr, i may be wrong. i thought git was something separate, at least at one time |
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| 15:21.43 | dkr | silverhand: debian doesn't use the latest, it uses tested and debugged and secure. :) |
| 15:21.45 | silverhand | mullein, you are correct. Git seems to be something different on Debian systems. I need "git-core" |
| 15:22.01 | themill | (not from squeeze onwards) |
| 15:22.11 | silverhand | dkr: I would like having the latest. :-) |
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| 15:23.34 | dkr | judd: versions git |
| 15:23.36 | judd | Package git on i386 -- lenny: 4.9.4-1; lenny-backports: 1:1.7.2.3-2.2~bpo50+1; sid: 1:1.7.2.3-2.2; squeeze: 1:1.7.2.3-2.2; wheezy: 1:1.7.2.3-2.2 |
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| 15:25.02 | silverhand | judd: I have lenny and received that version also for git, but when I version git-core I get 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny3.2 |
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| 15:25.11 | drexl | hi all, I'm missing the floppy module, how do I install it? |
| 15:25.26 | silverhand | judd: http://git-scm.com/ says the latest version is 1.7.4.1 |
| 15:25.38 | abrotman | drexl: missing in what way? what is 'uname -r' ? |
| 15:26.01 | drexl | 2.6.33-pureos |
| 15:26.11 | dvs | silverhand: uh, judd is a bogt |
| 15:26.12 | mullein | silverhand, if you were to use lenny-backports, then you'd have 1.7.2.3 |
| 15:26.13 | dvs | *bot |
| 15:26.24 | abrotman | drexl: you should ask them, this channel is for Debian |
| 15:26.41 | mullein | silverhand: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 15:26.43 | silverhand | mullein, I read an article about backports somewhere a long the line. So this is the way to go, then? |
| 15:26.44 | drexl | pureos is debian isn't it? |
| 15:26.46 | abrotman | no |
| 15:27.03 | dkr | silverhand: or if you could upgrade to the current stable version of debian. :) |
| 15:27.20 | abrotman | drexl: http://pureos.org/ .. they're based on Debian .. this channel does not support PureOS |
| 15:27.26 | silverhand | dkr: I'm on severe bandwidth restrictions atm. |
| 15:27.31 | mullein | silverhand, that's how i prefer to do it if i'm on lenny; 2nd preference being to do apt-pinning and install the testing version |
| 15:27.41 | abrotman | drexl: perhaps try a general purpose channel like ##linux |
| 15:28.06 | drexl | abrotman: alright |
| 15:28.28 | jeward | I'm using ice-owl extension in icedove (squeeze) to make calendaring kiosks for our conference rooms. The calendar is not rolling over at midnight to the next day. Is there a way to make it do so? |
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| 15:29.57 | silverhand | mullein, here is that article I remember reading: http://blog.katipo.co.nz/2008/07/31/upgrading-git-on-debian-etch/ It's correct? I ask because the version at the bottom is older than what I have and things change in 3 years. |
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| 15:31.30 | deno | hi there |
| 15:31.32 | themill | silverhand: I would advise following the advice you get here and on official websites rather than random 3 year old website. (particularly when it contains much that is out of date, plain wrong, or simply stupid) |
| 15:31.36 | deno | if compiling the kernel I get this message: |
| 15:31.38 | deno | dpkg-source: building kernel-power using existing kernel-power_2.6.28.orig.tar.gz |
| 15:31.58 | Chocobo | Hi All, does anyone know of a low-powered sbc that will run a standard variant of Debian? I am looking for something in the 1W range if possible. I have found OpenRD, but it has much higher power consumption than is acceptable for my application. |
| 15:32.16 | deno | what does it means? I have modified one .c file so does this message means that is not building my source but the old source? |
| 15:33.03 | RichiH | wtf? http://paste.debian.net/107716/ happenend on current squeeze (that directory is mounted via nfs with rw,soft,intr,tcp) |
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| 15:35.05 | silverhand | themill, I thought much the same. |
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| 15:35.50 | justin_ | RichiH: afaik, squeeze defaults to nfs4, maybe that has something to do with it |
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| 15:36.16 | RichiH | hmm, i will try and google for that |
| 15:36.20 | RichiH | but this Should Not Happen |
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| 15:36.32 | RichiH | those are plaina ccess bits, after all |
| 15:36.40 | Roasted | has anybody set up freeradius on a debian box by chance? |
| 15:37.01 | jelly | not by chance. by INTENT |
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| 15:37.11 | stew | RichiH: does it work after "newgrp foo_bar"? |
| 15:37.12 | Roasted | jelly, is that a yes? |
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| 15:37.18 | jelly | Roasted: yes. |
| 15:37.21 | jelly | !ask |
| 15:37.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 15:37.31 | Roasted | jelly, think you could help me out with a few questions I have regarding freeradius? |
| 15:37.32 | abrotman | Chocobo: why standard? what's about emdebian ? |
| 15:37.55 | jelly | Roasted: I don't know. Try asking. |
| 15:38.14 | jelly | I think there's also a freeradius channel |
| 15:38.16 | Roasted | jelly, well I generated the CA. I think. Do I have to put it in a specific directory for it to function? |
| 15:38.22 | Roasted | lol. there is. Have you ever been in there? |
| 15:38.25 | Chocobo | abrotman, I guess I meant "non-vendor controlled distribution" |
| 15:38.29 | Roasted | I was in there for 10 hours yesterday and nobody spoke a word besides me. |
| 15:38.36 | abrotman | Chocobo: like emdebian ? |
| 15:38.41 | Roasted | Why it even exists is beyond me. |
| 15:38.46 | silverhand | Is installing git from the source files a simple matter? I've tried to install programs from the source before, but always unsuccessfully. |
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| 15:39.00 | Chocobo | abrotman, I am looking at it now. |
| 15:39.05 | jelly | Roasted: be patient, small channels can be like that. It's possible the community prefers their mailing lists |
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| 15:39.24 | Roasted | jelly, patient? I was hoping someone would at least say hi to me, but I sit in there daily while at work. It's been weeks now. |
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| 15:39.30 | jelly | Roasted: it's not unusual to wait for a response a day or more in #qmail, for example |
| 15:39.37 | Roasted | jelly, there's no hope in that channel. That's why I'm asking around in other linux channels. |
| 15:39.45 | jelly | heheh |
| 15:39.47 | Roasted | jelly, that being said, do I have to put the CA anywhere in particular? |
| 15:40.00 | niklaswe | hmm any ide why my debian-sys-maint mysql-user disappear after an mysql import... |
| 15:40.03 | niklaswe | ? |
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| 15:40.51 | RichiH | stew: i'll try. fwiw on non-nfs, everythign works fine |
| 15:40.54 | RichiH | on the same machine |
| 15:40.59 | RichiH | with exactly the same layout |
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| 15:42.18 | cantido | niklaswe: you're overwriting the users table? |
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| 15:42.50 | Chocobo | Ugh, embedian's datasheets are in .doc format? |
| 15:42.53 | niklaswe | cantido: but i have only dump the the database, not the mysql-database |
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| 15:43.09 | Chocobo | err.. no. |
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| 15:43.34 | niklaswe | cantido: and i never touch the mysql-user database.. |
| 15:43.38 | jelly | Roasted: welp. I seem to have a /etc/freeradius/certs/ directory |
| 15:44.06 | Roasted | jelly, and you just copy and pasted there? |
| 15:44.31 | jelly | Roasted: to be honest, I don't remember |
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| 15:45.00 | Roasted | jelly, I'm not even sure which particular cert I need. It seems once I got done I have quite a few more files in the examples/certs directory that I generated than If irst thought I would |
| 15:45.01 | jelly | lemme see if there's a script that set this up instead of me, provided by my helpful academic provider |
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| 15:46.00 | jeward | We had a debian kernel update about Feb 2. Where can I see a list of the changes in that kernel? |
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| 15:46.40 | disco | hello |
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| 15:47.31 | karlpinc | jeward: /usr/share/doc/linux-image*/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 15:47.50 | jeward | karlpinc: Thanks! |
| 15:47.55 | karlpinc | jeward: If you want the code download the source package and look at the patches. |
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| 15:49.40 | jelly | jeward: also aptitude changelog packagename if you haven't installed it yet. Also2, install and use apt-listchanges. |
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| 15:49.44 | RichiH | stew: this might sound weird, but i have no idea what password newgrp is asking for |
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| 15:50.10 | RichiH | my user's, the user's into whose group i want to newgrp, root's & empty -- none work |
| 15:50.19 | danols | hi guys I think I'm doing something wrong but how can I add a user to the root group so they have full access ? |
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| 15:50.23 | danols | I created a user using useradd |
| 15:50.37 | danols | than I used usermod -G user root |
| 15:50.49 | danols | but they can't seem to create directories and such |
| 15:51.12 | stew | RichiH: it would be asking for the group password from gshadow if one exists, iirc |
| 15:51.15 | karlpinc | RichiH: The group itself can have a password. |
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| 15:51.44 | RichiH | the group has !, i.e. no password |
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| 15:51.56 | RichiH | though i guess i can just make that password empty and try again |
| 15:52.26 | karlpinc | danols: That sounds like a bad idea. If you told us what you were trying to accomplish we might be able to help. |
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| 15:52.35 | RichiH | nope |
| 15:52.52 | Chocobo | abrotman, Do you have experience with embedian? The website is a little... lacking. |
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| 15:53.14 | karlpinc | Chocobo: Ask your real question. |
| 15:53.43 | karlpinc | Chocobo: It's just debian, without the docs and changes to default shells, etc. |
| 15:53.57 | karlpinc | Chocobo: stripped |
| 15:54.03 | danols | karlpinc: it's for a test server for one employee to play arround with - so I really just want to make the root |
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| 15:54.21 | Chocobo | karlpinc, That was my real question. |
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| 15:54.34 | danols | karlpinc: I know it's not a good idea on a sensetive server but this not the case here |
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| 15:55.06 | Chocobo | karlpinc, I am just trying to verify that these products really exist, are functional, and in general don't suck. |
| 15:55.11 | karlpinc | danols: If you trust the user just give him the root password and let him su. Otherwise, don't give him access. :) |
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| 15:55.56 | RichiH | stew: could a long user & group name and/or the underscore cause problems?> |
| 15:56.04 | danols | karlpinc: I can do that but I want to learn |
| 15:56.07 | karlpinc | Chocobo: You probably want to ask on the mailing list for emdebian. It's been going for some time so I assume it's viable and active, but that's a guess. |
| 15:56.17 | danols | how can I check which user group the user belongs too ? |
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| 15:56.55 | karlpinc | danols: Did the user log out and back in again? Is group rights really enough to do what you want? |
| 15:57.06 | b_jonas | little help please. I upgraded to Debian squeeze, and now X.org uses the vesa graphics module even though it should use the intel module. http://hpaste.org/43997/xorg0log |
| 15:57.07 | danols | karlpinc: they didn't! let me test |
| 15:57.17 | karlpinc | danols: id |
| 15:57.23 | b_jonas | What could be the problem? |
| 15:58.00 | karlpinc | b_jonas: That's happened to me, twice. I think there should be mention in the release notes. Just install the right driver and it'll work fine. |
| 15:58.12 | b_jonas | karlpinc: but which driver? the intel driver is installed |
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| 15:58.18 | b_jonas | the logfile even shows that it's loaded |
| 15:58.22 | b_jonas | it's just not used for some reason |
| 15:58.24 | abrotman | Chocobo: no, but they have a channel on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:59.12 | danols | karlpinc: no loging in/out didn't help |
| 15:59.29 | danols | karlpinc: I'm confused just tested and user is part of root and his personal group |
| 15:59.38 | intok | what other trusted repos like debian multimedia are worth checking out? |
| 15:59.43 | Chocobo | abrotman, thanks. |
| 15:59.49 | karlpinc | b_jonas: You have a config file. Move that out of the way and see if it autodetects properly. |
| 15:59.56 | abrotman | intok: what makes you think that it's trusted? |
| 16:00.00 | karlpinc | !tell intok about overview |
| 16:00.00 | danols | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.15 | b_jonas | karlpinc: I can try that, but it doesn't actually have any config in it now |
| 16:00.18 | danols | karlpinc: any idea ? |
| 16:00.29 | karlpinc | intok: Some think dmm sucks and people should be rebuilding the source with the codecs enabled. |
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| 16:01.25 | karlpinc | danols: Use id to see what's what. You'd have to give specifics here, what's the permissions, what's the command, what's the error, for more help. |
| 16:01.36 | intok | abrotman it was recommended by several people for a few codecs and apps that aren't in the standard repos |
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| 16:02.55 | RichiH | fwiw, the long name & underscore is not the cause |
| 16:03.03 | danols | karlpinc: the user id longfieldr |
| 16:03.03 | danols | uid=1000(longfieldr) gid=1000(longfieldr) groups=1000(longfieldr),0(root) |
| 16:03.12 | danols | karlpinc: they still can't create a directory through ftp |
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| 16:04.20 | b_jonas | karlpinc: I've removed /etc/X11/xorg.conf : http://hpaste.org/43999/xorg0log_again |
| 16:04.31 | b_jonas | it isn't enough |
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| 16:04.47 | karlpinc | danols: Are you still on lenny? http://wiki.debian.org/UserPrivateGroups will likely help. |
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| 16:05.17 | karlpinc | b_jonas: Get the pciid from lspci -nn it looks like [xxxx:yyyy] |
| 16:05.19 | danols | karlpinc: you are not understanding my question how do I create another root account - and why is adding a user to root group not enough? |
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| 16:05.58 | karlpinc | danols: Oh. You need to change the user's uid to 1 in /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow. That gives root another name. |
| 16:06.17 | karlpinc | danols: (And likewise with the gid) |
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| 16:06.35 | b_jonas | karlpinc: 00:02.1 Display controller [0380]: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2776] (rev 02) |
| 16:06.45 | karlpinc | danols: But again, you don't want to do that. People should get used to logging in as themselves and su-ing to root so there's logs of who did what. |
| 16:06.53 | b_jonas | wait, that's not the right one |
| 16:06.55 | b_jonas | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2772] (rev 02) |
| 16:07.05 | danols | karlpinc: true again just wanted to learn |
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| 16:07.11 | karlpinc | ,pciid [8086:2776] |
| 16:07.13 | danols | anywho anyone ever needs to make another root user see http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/creating-root-user-account-in-linux-unix/#comment-45568 |
| 16:07.13 | judd | [8086:2776] is '82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2776 |
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| 16:07.40 | karlpinc | ,pciid [8086:2772] |
| 16:07.41 | judd | [8086:2772] is '82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'i915' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2772 |
| 16:07.43 | Omega11 | linux sucks |
| 16:08.17 | b_jonas | the intel module for x.org in lenny does handle it |
| 16:08.35 | karlpinc | b_jonas: So you need the i915 module in squeeze. |
| 16:08.54 | b_jonas | hmm wait, that's not the same as the intel module? |
| 16:09.53 | karlpinc | b_jonas: Apparently not. As I said, I've had the same thing happen, twice, with two different cards. A different module was needed. I don't suppose you could check the bts and complain to the release-notes package. It should mention the problem. |
| 16:10.21 | b_jonas | afk 1h and will look at it |
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| 16:12.45 | johnfg | howdy |
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| 16:13.40 | karlpinc | wonders how to replicate judds pciid functionality without judd. |
| 16:13.41 | johnfg | where does epiphany/download keep the files it's downloading until they're complete?com |
| 16:13.59 | johnfg | I needed to check one that went into the ether last night. |
| 16:14.03 | stew | karlpinc: grep "8086.*10de" /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules* |
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| 16:15.00 | arnestig | has anyone experienced issues with hibernate on HP pavilion laptops? |
| 16:15.23 | arnestig | in my case, the computer doesn't seem to wake up |
| 16:16.06 | johnfg | for some reason aptitude generates an error from: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main non-free. |
| 16:16.11 | johnfg | Anyone else seeing this? |
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| 16:16.31 | Arrowmaster | !dmm lenny |
| 16:16.31 | dpkg | Following the squeeze release, the debian-multimedia.org repository for lenny was lost and will not be restored. Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. |
| 16:16.41 | Bartzy | my gnome-terminal title doesn't update when I exit remote connections (ssh). Any idea ? Using debian squeeze, gnome-terminal 2.30.2 . any idea ? |
| 16:16.55 | johnfg | Arrowmaster, Good enough. Thanks! |
| 16:17.28 | Arrowmaster | Bartzy: would most likely be a problem with your local shell setup and not gnome-terminal |
| 16:18.00 | Bartzy | Arrowmaster: How can I check/fix that ? |
| 16:18.14 | johnfg | Arrowmaster, Since I'm asking about sources.list for lenny, I've got volatile.debian.org, but can't remember why! |
| 16:18.30 | Arrowmaster | !volatile |
| 16:18.30 | dpkg | Squeeze users, ask me about <squeeze volatile>. Debian Volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <oldstable> distribution up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. http://www.debian.org/volatile/ |
| 16:19.04 | Arrowmaster | Bartzy: from what i remember im not even sure the default bash config even sets the term title |
| 16:19.29 | Bartzy | Arrowmaster: Can you point me to somewhere I can read about this ? I don't know where to look |
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| 16:19.51 | Arrowmaster | google bash xterm title |
| 16:19.57 | stew | karlpinc: uh, that probably should be grep -i, or make sure to use uppercase |
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| 16:21.17 | Solarwar2 | hi a part of my package system is broken because I entered escape characters while configuring mailx-bsd, now postfix will not insttall as its failing to match a regex in its preconfiguration stage of installation, how can I get around this problem? apt-get -f install keeps runing the preconfiguration stage, anyway to wipe all memory of the configuration entered? |
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| 16:22.54 | uwjweq | Ruby is broken in Lenny. I keep getting ERROR: could not find gem gollum locally or in a repository |
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| 16:23.10 | karlpinc | stew: I see. Clever. Thanks. |
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| 16:25.11 | stew | uwjweq: what command gives you that error? |
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| 16:26.20 | uwjweq | stew: gem install gollum |
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| 16:27.37 | Arrowmaster | i dont see how thats broken, it states clearly what is wrong |
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| 16:28.36 | uwjweq | gem update --system tells me I am not allowed to do this since debian is managing this. |
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| 16:29.01 | uwjweq | Arrowmaster: You mean I should switch to ubuntu, where this is working? |
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| 16:30.22 | Arrowmaster | where what is working? the `gem update --system` or the `gem install gollum`? |
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| 16:30.39 | uwjweq | gem install gollum does work there. |
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| 16:31.40 | Arrowmaster | have you tried on debian squeeze? |
| 16:32.17 | uwjweq | I have no squeeze-machine within reach. |
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| 16:32.39 | f1r3 | hi there |
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| 16:35.58 | Arrowmaster | uwjweq: well squeeze and maverick look like they have the same version of rubygems, but lenny has a much older one |
| 16:36.21 | stew | when i try to search for it, i get, "bad response Found 302 (http://gems.rubyforge.org/latest_specs.4.8)" |
| 16:36.33 | stew | i don't know if that is trying to say that it wants you to upgrade to rubygems 3.6 |
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| 16:38.22 | stew | uwjweq: it seems that lenny is pointing at http://gems.rubyforge.org/, but the location has changed a few times since lenny was released |
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| 16:39.32 | Arrowmaster | there is a backport of rubygems for lenny |
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| 16:39.57 | AlexC_ | how can I get the ID of a group by name? |
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| 16:40.17 | stew | AlexC_: getent group groupname |
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| 16:40.52 | AlexC_ | stew: ok, that's what I was trying but was wondering if there was a single way to just get the ID. Cool, I'll get the data from here |
| 16:40.54 | AlexC_ | thanks |
| 16:40.57 | germixxx | hi |
| 16:41.11 | Solarwar2 | to rephrase my earliar question, duringinstallation of a package I messed up the onfiguration, and teh package failed to install, anyway to wipe the configuration somehow? |
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| 16:41.43 | germixxx | i dont want to do netinstall |
| 16:41.55 | germixxx | but i dont want to download 30 cds |
| 16:42.10 | AlexC_ | so what do you actually want, germixxx? |
| 16:42.12 | germixxx | is there some medium point? |
| 16:42.16 | stew | uwjweq: run "gem sources --remove http://gems.rubyforge.org/" and "gem sources --add http://rubygems.org/" and try again |
| 16:42.17 | tabris | germixxx: well... kinda. |
| 16:42.22 | germixxx | one or two cd |
| 16:42.24 | tabris | germixxx: what I just put together is apt-cacher. |
| 16:42.28 | germixxx | debian + kde |
| 16:42.37 | stew | germixxx: get the first two cds then |
| 16:42.39 | tabris | germixxx: so you do end up using netinstall, but you only download as much as you need, once. |
| 16:42.46 | tabris | germixxx: even if installing to multiple hosts. |
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| 16:43.37 | germixxx | a year ago i download first debian cd |
| 16:43.44 | germixxx | (sorry about my english) |
| 16:44.50 | styxnsoon | Solarwar2: take a look at dpkg-reconfigure, its there to do exactly what u want |
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| 16:45.09 | germixxx | but when installing, when installation ask for the packets you want to install, it doesnt tell you which cds you need to install the packets |
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| 16:45.27 | germixxx | so its end up asking me all the cds.. |
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| 16:48.00 | tabris | germixxx: are you installing to multiple boxes? is the problem limited/slow bandwidth? what are you actually trying to solve? |
| 16:48.00 | germixxx | the problem is that probably i broke the installation on the first week and i dont want to wait it download again |
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| 16:48.52 | karlpinc | germixxx: How can you avoid downloading the software you are going to put on the computer? If your connectivity is that bad buy a complete cd set. |
| 16:49.05 | iluminator101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.19 | iluminator101 | apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 83FBA1751378B444 |
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| 16:49.37 | tabris | iluminator101: not the ubuntu channel? |
| 16:50.04 | iluminator101 | i am using debian squeeze this is a repo for libreoffice |
| 16:50.07 | germixxx | okey maybe there is no way to avoid this.. ill go with netinst |
| 16:50.20 | tabris | germixxx: are you installing to just one box, or to multiple? |
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| 16:50.51 | karlpinc | germixxx: The netinstall also has the resultant system get it's updates/software from the net, instead of cds, so you don't have to change that after install. |
| 16:51.50 | germixxx | then each installation take 3 hours |
| 16:52.00 | tabris | germixxx: I ask again, HOW MANY MACHINES ? |
| 16:52.02 | germixxx | im shure that i will broke it |
| 16:52.21 | germixxx | one computer but when i broke the installation i will have to reinstall |
| 16:52.53 | tabris | the only other option is jigdo... and I doubt you want to go _there_ either. |
| 16:52.55 | germixxx | if i need it again i will have to wait again |
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| 16:53.32 | karlpinc | germixxx: With the netinstall you download only what you use, so it's most efficient. |
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| 16:54.57 | LemensTS | I want to install a NTP server, the package is "ntp" right? |
| 16:55.02 | LemensTS | I dont see ntp-server anymore |
| 16:55.22 | germixxx | i think that linux mind that keep new users away |
| 16:55.26 | peterrooney | LemensTS: true. |
| 16:55.29 | peterrooney | ,info ntp |
| 16:55.30 | judd | Package ntp (net, optional) in squeeze/i386: Network Time Protocol daemon and utility programs. Version: 1:4.2.6.p2+dfsg-1+b1; Size: 436.3k; Installed: 1092k; Homepage: http://support.ntp.org/ |
| 16:55.44 | germixxx | you download and burn 30 cd or 20 mb, you choose |
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| 16:55.59 | ksk | LemensTS: you can do an "aptitude show $package" to get an idea what its doing |
| 16:56.00 | germixxx | why not a full usable cd |
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| 16:56.10 | tabris | germixxx: then go download a different more newbie friendly distro. |
| 16:56.16 | germixxx | you will burn a cd anyway |
| 16:56.17 | peterrooney | germixxx: I typically copy all downloaded debs onto a flash drive, ready to copy over to /target/var/cache/apt/archive/ during the install. |
| 16:56.21 | tabris | germixxx: there are a dozen other distros out there. |
| 16:56.26 | LemensTS | peterrooney: Ok good, I instaleld NTP on my server. Is there a way I can test it on the same server? |
| 16:56.31 | tabris | germixxx: you can either complain, or do the needful, your choice. |
| 16:57.18 | ksk | LemensTS: you could try "ntpate" |
| 16:57.27 | Arrowmaster | germixxx: you dont need to download all the cds, just download cd1 |
| 16:57.27 | ksk | LemensTS: you could try "ntpdate" |
| 16:57.35 | Arrowmaster | ksk: ntpdate is deprecated |
| 16:57.40 | peterrooney | germixxx: that way, I don't have to download packages that have a history of me installing them. |
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| 16:58.13 | tabris | peterrooney: newbie. he just wants it to be easy/simple/short. |
| 16:58.16 | germixxx | i tried to download cd 1 but when installing i dont know which packet are in cd 1 |
| 16:58.43 | germixxx | that a good idea peterrooney |
| 16:58.45 | ksk | Arrowmaster: how can i look up if a package is "deprecated"? |
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| 16:59.12 | peterrooney | germixxx: I've hosed my own install on numerous occasions. |
| 16:59.28 | Arrowmaster | i havent done anything but a netinstall recently but i thought you could have cd1 download missing parts from the net, although most should be on cd1 anyway |
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| 16:59.40 | erwan_taf | hey folks |
| 16:59.51 | germixxx | i just making a sugestion to the linux comunity |
| 16:59.56 | erwan_taf | I'm currently trying to rebuild a squeeze on my i386 system |
| 17:00.15 | erwan_taf | and I found that qemu-system requires 3 packages that can't be built on a i386 host |
| 17:00.24 | erwan_taf | does it means that x86 depends on the ppc arch ? |
| 17:00.41 | Arrowmaster | ksk: the package hasnt been deprecated but upstream has said that ntpdate is deprecated and will be removed at some point |
| 17:01.02 | erwan_taf | qemu-system requires openbios-ppc & openbios-sparc & openhackware |
| 17:01.02 | stew | uhh, I'll deprecate the package right now |
| 17:01.16 | stew | we deprecate the pacakge all the time |
| 17:01.22 | erwan_taf | all the 3 of them tell " debian/rules:14: *** "this package needs to be built with a powerpc-linux-gnu toolchain". Stop." |
| 17:01.39 | erwan_taf | or "This package must be built on a PowerPC machine" |
| 17:01.40 | karlpinc | erwan_taf: I'm under the impression that 486 or better is now required for debian. For what my impression's worth. |
| 17:01.40 | stew | i think you can assume that if upstream deprecates the software in a package you can consider using the package containing the software deprecated |
| 17:01.45 | jhutchins_lt | Yes, the ntp package includes the daemon. |
| 17:02.01 | erwan_taf | karlpinc: I told i386 in place of the x86 family sorry |
| 17:02.22 | germixxx | installation should ask you which cds you have and then ask you the packets, or at least when listing the packet also tell the cds you need |
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| 17:03.03 | Arrowmaster | germixxx: you dont have to install everything right away, just install it later from the net |
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| 17:03.20 | jhutchins_lt | germixxx: With about sixty CD images available, and the majority of users moving to netinstall, managing the CD's is an under-addressed issue. |
| 17:03.26 | stew | germixxx: are you installing onto a machine without a network? otherwise, why do you want to install from CDs? |
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| 17:03.45 | karlpinc | germixxx: That makes sense to me, but maybe they have their reasons. You could file a wishlist bug report against the installer. |
| 17:03.45 | jhutchins_lt | germixxx: Debian has some 30,000 packages available. |
| 17:03.49 | stew | germixxx: "/msg dpkg cd contents" or "/msg dpkg which cd" to tell what is on which cd |
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| 17:04.30 | honschu_ | Hi, do you have the same bug? Look for the id of your mouse with "xinput list". Then test if you see mouse clicks (not only motion-events) in the list when you do "xinput test 8". |
| 17:04.31 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Is there a master list that describes what each CD is, or only the ~60 content listings? |
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| 17:04.46 | stew | jhutchins_lt: yes, the .jigdo file |
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| 17:05.14 | jhutchins_lt | stew: You wouldn't have the url handy... |
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| 17:05.33 | stew | jhutchins_lt: go to debian.org and click on "getting debian" |
| 17:05.42 | jhutchins_lt | Right. |
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| 17:06.04 | jhutchins_lt | stew: I'm going to try to cobble a guide of some sort together. |
| 17:06.38 | stew | jhutchins_lt: check the other links from those factoids. there might be somehting easier to use than the .jigdo files |
| 17:06.51 | Arrowmaster | like a dvd |
| 17:06.57 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Didn't find anything yesterday. |
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| 17:07.02 | germixxx | i think a one cd basic installation is necessary |
| 17:07.18 | germixxx | just put your basic cd and install |
| 17:07.21 | jhutchins_lt | Arrowmaster: Some people still don't have the option of using dvds. |
| 17:07.22 | Arrowmaster | germixxx: BUY A BLURAY DRIVE THEN |
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| 17:07.36 | stew | germixxx: there typically is, this time, however, kde spilled over onto the second cd. for gnome/xfce it is all on one cd |
| 17:07.53 | Arrowmaster | thats the only way you are going to get a 1 disc install with everything available on the disc |
| 17:07.55 | karlpinc | germixxx: It already exists. I believe you can do a bare minimal install from a netinstall without hitting the net for other than security updates. Surely you can from the first cd. |
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| 17:08.31 | Solarwar2 | hi a part of my package system is broken because I entered escape characters while configuring mailx-bsd, now postfix will not insttall as its failing to match a regex in its preconfiguration stage of installation, how can I get around this problem? apt-get -f install keeps runing the preconfiguration stage, anyway to wipe all memory of the configuration entered? |
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| 17:09.29 | karlpinc | Solarwar2: Dunno. But that sounds like a bug worth filing. |
| 17:09.34 | germixxx | linux comunity needs more moderate "hotplug" mind |
| 17:09.39 | jhutchins_lt | Solarwar2: purge it? |
| 17:09.45 | germixxx | you have livecd or netinst |
| 17:09.48 | honschu_ | Do you have the same bug that xinput only lists motion events? Please help me to verify if this is a general bug: Look for the id of your mouse with "xinput list". Then test if you see mouse clicks (not only motion-events) in the list when you do "xinput test <ID_NUMBER>" and clicking+moving the mouse. |
| 17:10.00 | pinkisntwell | what do i need to reliably unrar? how do i install unrar-nonfree? it doesn't show up on aptitude |
| 17:10.02 | Arrowmaster | germixxx: livecd is completely seperate from the normal cds |
| 17:10.08 | pinkisntwell | unrar-free hardly ever works |
| 17:10.15 | jhutchins_lt | honschu_: Don't repeat like that. Post to the mailing list. |
| 17:10.18 | karlpinc | !tell pinkisntwell about overview |
| 17:10.45 | karlpinc | pinkisntwell: The wiki tells you about options and points to how to install non-free stuff etc. |
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| 17:11.00 | karlpinc | pinkisntwell: (or use the factoids here) |
| 17:11.04 | jhutchins_lt | live cd is installable now. |
| 17:11.16 | Arrowmaster | although people have run into issues with it |
| 17:11.25 | petemc | pinkisntwell: ensure you have non-free sources enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list , then just aptitude install unrar |
| 17:11.26 | germixxx | hope that netinst dont disapoint me to much |
| 17:11.54 | jhutchins_lt | germixxx: Given your expectations that should be pretty easy. |
| 17:12.16 | Arrowmaster | somebody just yesterday i think found that installing from a livecd installed kexec unexpectedly so he couldnt reboot the system normally |
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| 17:13.02 | karlpinc | pinkisntwell: Well, you will also need to "aptitude update" before installing. |
| 17:13.15 | petemc | that was implied! |
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| 17:14.16 | romel | hi guys. I installed mdadm on my linux box but `lsmod` says noting ralated to raid (no md_mod or such). What's the problem? |
| 17:14.34 | xyan | what would be the right aptitude search string to find all packages that where installed as recommended packages |
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| 17:14.50 | pinkisntwell | i added the non-free repos, i updated, but i still can't find the unrar-nonfree package |
| 17:14.57 | petemc | pinkisntwell: its called unrar |
| 17:15.08 | pinkisntwell | oh great |
| 17:15.08 | petemc | pinkisntwell: the other package is unrar-free |
| 17:15.26 | petemc | happy pirating! |
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| 17:16.15 | germixxx | i found debian-6.0.0-i386-kde-CD-1.iso that way more reasonable! |
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| 17:17.12 | karlpinc | germixxx: Don't forget to updates your sources.list so you've a source of software from the Internet. |
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| 17:19.24 | germixxx | okey! |
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| 17:20.13 | germixxx | im shure i will be here again |
| 17:20.16 | germixxx | lol |
| 17:20.46 | germixxx | asking thing like how to change the time-zone |
| 17:21.08 | pinkisntwell | thanks all |
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| 17:24.25 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 17:24.39 | lenswipe | can anyone help me with xinerama and compiz? |
| 17:24.44 | lenswipe | the two seem to be mutually exclusive |
| 17:24.57 | lenswipe | enabling xinerama, seems to prevent compositing from working |
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| 17:27.12 | b_jonas | back |
| 17:27.33 | disco | Anyone experience with installing Debian GNU/Linux on a HP ProLiant ML330 G6 server ? |
| 17:27.52 | b_jonas | disco: don't ask to ask |
| 17:28.01 | Iridos | petemc, iirc, it's only the unfree rar package that needs registering, using the non-free unrar is ok |
| 17:28.08 | Iridos | but lemme check |
| 17:28.22 | disco | b_jonas: ok. Don't want to splash too much stuff here, that's why |
| 17:28.51 | Iridos | petemc, right... at least the package description only mentions the shareware aspect for the rar package |
| 17:29.10 | iluminator101 | libreoffice in testing??? |
| 17:29.19 | b_jonas | so in the x.org log, the intel driver lists the types of cards it supports, and mine doesn't seem to be among it |
| 17:29.32 | lenswipe | can someone help me with getting compositing and xinerama working? |
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| 17:29.36 | Iridos | I must admit, though, that some additional message about the license on installing rar would have been helpful to not violate the license |
| 17:29.39 | b_jonas | but the strange thing is, this does seem to be the i810 driver (because it lists i810) and I think I used to use the i810 driver |
| 17:29.50 | lenswipe | enabling xinerama, seems to break compiz |
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| 17:29.56 | lenswipe | anyone got any ideas on that one? |
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| 17:30.15 | b_jonas | I think I'm going to boot from this squeeze live disk I recently burnt and see what x.org driver it uses |
| 17:30.24 | cahoot | tried google on the subject? |
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| 17:31.13 | disco | It looks like I've some bad performances on a HP server. bonnie++ gives 82 Mb/s in writting and 150 Mo/s when reading. However when the test is processed there is big latency. ie. when saving a file from Vim it takes about 5-10 seconds to save it and gives control back. NCQ is activated. Server is a HP ProLiant ML 330 G6 |
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| 17:31.44 | Iridos | lenswipe, check the bts, if there is no report consider writing one if you think the two should work together. I don't see _how_ they could work together, though, as compiz wouldprobably turn thw whole virtual desktop, which would look stupid anyway |
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| 17:32.15 | Iridos | wonderful... |
| 17:32.17 | Iridos | lenswipe, check the bts, if there is no report consider writing one if you think the two should work together. I don't see _how_ they could work together, though, as compiz wouldprobably turn thw whole virtual desktop, which would look stupid anyway |
| 17:32.30 | lenswipe | Iridos, what are you on about? |
| 17:32.55 | lenswipe | Iridos, why would compiz turn the whole virtual desktop, and what does writing a report have to do with anything? |
| 17:33.15 | Iridos | what _else_ could it turn? |
| 17:33.26 | lenswipe | Iridos, why does it have to turn anything |
| 17:34.00 | Iridos | that's what it does, no? it puts the visible desktop on the sides of a cube, which you can turn |
| 17:34.00 | lenswipe | Iridos, why are you assuming automatically that it has to have a turning desktop cube |
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| 17:34.21 | lenswipe | Iridos, no, compiz is much more than that, i suggest you look into what it does before telling me how it works |
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| 17:34.53 | Iridos | so you deny it's turning a cube |
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| 17:35.00 | Iridos | fine with me |
| 17:35.01 | reavengr1y | Debian <3 |
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| 17:35.37 | reavengr1y | Once I got network-manager installed to deal with my internet, it's been amazing <3 |
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| 17:36.11 | homie | huloo |
| 17:36.14 | homie | my /dev/disk/by-uuid is not there |
| 17:36.20 | homie | i had problems with grub therefore |
| 17:37.02 | homie | is there a way to get grub configure to by-id or --label ? i tried --label but those have to be put in the grub config generator rather |
| 17:37.36 | grandmoun | hello guys |
| 17:37.46 | lenswipe | Iridos, i dont deny its a turning cube, im denying that its /just/ a turning cube, and i suggest you go and do your homework before shooting your mouth off and making yourself look stupid |
| 17:37.54 | grandmoun | i upgrade from lenny 64 to squeeze 64 |
| 17:38.11 | grandmoun | and upgrade mysql server from 5.0 to 5.1 |
| 17:38.20 | cahoot | lenswipe: as might you |
| 17:38.24 | grandmoun | but the sql server refuse now to start |
| 17:38.31 | lenswipe | cahoot, care to expand on that? |
| 17:38.34 | xyan | grandmoun: check syslog and dmesg |
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| 17:38.47 | adb | homie, uuid is installed ?; dpkg -l | grep uuid |
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| 17:39.06 | lenswipe | cahoot, im not the one suggesting that "COMPIZ MUST ALWAYS BE A ROTATING CUBE AND IT IS INCAPABLE OF DOING ANYTHING ELSE AND IS THEREFORE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH XINERAMA" |
| 17:39.09 | rubin110 | Does curl remember 301 status? |
| 17:39.21 | grandmoun | nothing on the syslog ( message| syslog| daemon| mysql.log ) |
| 17:39.22 | Iridos | lenswipe, in your case I would consider twice before making personal remarks like this... I'm not in school and I would suggest you make yourself look stupid, not me, thank you |
| 17:39.28 | lenswipe | cahoot, my point is that, while it /can/ be a rotating cube, theres no reason to asume it has to be |
| 17:39.44 | lenswipe | Iridos, dude, go find another channel to troll, seriously...grow the hell up |
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| 17:39.53 | amphi | lenswipe: ISTR xinerama breaks glx or some such, and in consequence, compiz |
| 17:40.02 | cahoot | lenswipe: why stick here quarreling instead of consulting google? |
| 17:40.04 | Iridos | lenswipe, listen to your own advice |
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| 17:40.14 | lenswipe | cahoot, i am consulting google |
| 17:40.19 | jhutchins_lt | I think the most important contribution that compiz has made to modern computing, and for which it should long be remembered and celebrated is JIGGLY WINDOWS! |
| 17:40.31 | amphi | lenswipe: why do you need xinerama? |
| 17:40.46 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, THANK YOU! |
| 17:40.52 | lenswipe | someone who actually knows what compiz can do |
| 17:40.57 | homie | adb: thanks, it was installed but seems some upgrade removed it, now i reinstall |
| 17:40.58 | lenswipe | amphi, because i have 2 monitors |
| 17:41.22 | adb | np |
| 17:41.27 | amphi | having the screen obscured by smoke and flames whenever you close a window is a useful procutivity feature |
| 17:41.30 | lenswipe | amphi, although if you know of another way to do extended desktop, im willing to listen |
| 17:41.38 | amphi | lenswipe: why not use xrandr? |
| 17:41.45 | lenswipe | what is xrandr? |
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| 17:41.49 | cahoot | lenswipe: a qoute (from an unverified source) 'You can't use xinerama and compiz at the same time. Period. End of story. The one way that it used to be possible was with Xgl, but that's completely unsupported, undeveloped, and dead.' |
| 17:41.51 | jhutchins_lt | amphi: That IS xinerama. |
| 17:42.11 | amphi | jhutchins_lt: I thought xinerama was something else |
| 17:42.19 | lenswipe | amphi, the deal with compiz, is i installed docky, and unless i get compiz working i have a black bar at the bottom of my screen |
| 17:42.24 | lenswipe | amphi, would you like a screenshot? |
| 17:42.36 | amphi | lenswipe: no thank you |
| 17:42.39 | jhutchins_lt | amphi: xinerama is the multi-monitor utilities that randr uses. |
| 17:42.52 | amphi | jhutchins_lt: oh, ok |
| 17:42.57 | pipeline | there's no technology reason you can't have xinerama and compositing working at the same time. The question is whether compiz, the specific window manager, supports xinerama. I think that's an open question. |
| 17:43.11 | lenswipe | pipeline, thats what im having trouble getting my head round |
| 17:43.18 | b_jonas | I just checked, the squeeze live disk uses the intel driver |
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| 17:43.35 | lenswipe | pipeline, okay, lets assume they break each other, why hasnt someone fixed them? surely there must be other people out there with this issue |
| 17:43.40 | amphi | lenswipe: no idea about compiz, but I use xcompmgr with xmonad here on two monitors with no problem |
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| 17:44.07 | lenswipe | amphi, is it extended desktop though? |
| 17:44.11 | b_jonas | however, I also found that the intel driver does claim to support this card |
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| 17:46.24 | amphi | lenswipe: no, xmonad has separate workspaces on each monitor, which is much more useful than a single huge workspace, IMHO |
| 17:47.03 | pipeline | lenswipe: like I said, there's no technology problem here. |
| 17:47.06 | pipeline | lenswipe: I don't work on or use compiz, so I can't tell you why they choose not to support multimonitor configurations. Ask them. |
| 17:47.33 | pipeline | lenswipe: the underlying X11 extensions (composite, xrandr, xinerama) are all totally compatible |
| 17:48.24 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: I used to think that but I finally found a use for a compositing window manager |
| 17:48.30 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: now when I move windows, instead of just showing the window border, it makes the window transparent, so I don't forget what I am dragging |
| 17:48.52 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt: a minor usability tweak, twenty years and hundreds of MIPS in the making! |
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| 18:12.15 | b_jonas | I've installed linux-firmware, rebooted, it didn't help |
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| 18:12.16 | jemark | b_jonas, http://ask.debian.net/questions/how-does-firmware-linux-work |
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| 18:12.28 | jemark | b_jonas, which modules are loaded? can u send link to http://debian.pastebin.com/ |
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| 18:13.14 | b_jonas | jemark: lsmod: http://dpaste.com/419861/ |
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| 18:14.27 | b_jonas | but why am I getting this error when modprobing the module? |
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| 18:15.52 | lenswipe | i ran a compiz check on my system |
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| 18:15.56 | lenswipe | i got the following: |
| 18:15.56 | lenswipe | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.56 | lenswipe | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.59 | lenswipe | what do they mean? |
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| 18:18.12 | simonrvn | texture_from_pixmap is used by compositors as basic compositing support check and run-time, it's an opengl thingy. |
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| 18:19.22 | lenswipe | simonrvn, hmm, it was working under lenny, it just broke under squeeze |
| 18:19.32 | lenswipe | simonrvn, how do i fix that? |
| 18:19.53 | jemark | b_jonas, did u try insmod i915 modeset=1 |
| 18:20.00 | abrotman | modprobe ? |
| 18:20.08 | lenswipe | simonrvn, to be truthful, i get 3 errors.... |
| 18:20.08 | lenswipe | compiz (core) - Fatal: No valid GL extensions string found. |
| 18:20.08 | lenswipe | compiz (core) - Error: Failed to manage screen: 0 |
| 18:20.08 | lenswipe | compiz (core) - Fatal: No manageable screens found on display :0.0 |
| 18:20.39 | abrotman | lenswipe: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
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| 18:20.39 | lenswipe | abrotman, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation GT216 [GeForce GT 220] [10de:0a20] (rev a2) |
| 18:20.39 | amphi | lenswipe: have you got anything about xinerama in your xorg.conf? |
| 18:20.42 | simonrvn | that's the main string compiz looks for, that texture_blah |
| 18:20.48 | lenswipe | amphi, i disabled that |
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| 18:21.08 | amphi | nvidia? doesn't that do its own thing, twinview or summat? |
| 18:21.10 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: which chipset? |
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| 18:21.23 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, NVIDIA |
| 18:21.36 | lenswipe | amphi, no they call it xinerama too |
| 18:21.44 | amphi | lenswipe: #compiz on freenode might be the place to ask such things |
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| 18:22.00 | jhutchins_lt | amphi: convergence of code. |
| 18:22.08 | lenswipe | amphi, ive got a sneaking suspicion it might be dead |
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| 18:22.20 | jemark | b_jonas, what' s the output of this? dmesg | grep drm |
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| 18:22.39 | jhutchins_lt | I thought compiz forked and died. |
| 18:22.43 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, could i delete my xorg.conf and have xorg generate a new one for me without all the xinerama stuff in? |
| 18:22.44 | amphi | jhutchins_lt: ah |
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| 18:25.55 | jhutchins_lt | I think I'm seriously wrong though. |
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| 18:25.55 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: they remerged |
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| 18:25.56 | b_jonas | jemark: only one line: [ 30.930010] [drm] Initialized drm 1.1.0 20060810 |
| 18:25.56 | jhutchins_lt | Maybe it revived. |
| 18:26.03 | amphi | lenswipe: you don't need an xorg.conf on squeeze - or perhaps you do, for nvidia |
| 18:26.04 | abrotman | beryl is the one that is now dead |
| 18:26.07 | jhutchins_lt | Ah. |
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| 18:26.07 | lenswipe | amphi, ima mv it to my desktop so if things go back i can mv it back |
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| 18:26.08 | b_jonas | jemark: insmod wants full path, should I try that way? |
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| 18:26.09 | lenswipe | then ima restart x and see what happens |
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| 18:26.09 | lenswipe | be right back everyone |
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| 18:26.55 | b_jonas | let me also see the boot log, because my init scripts are a bit messed up |
| 18:26.55 | themill | dpkg: spank debhelper |
| 18:26.55 | Big_Brother | . |
| 18:26.56 | dpkg | bends debhelper over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
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| 18:27.05 | themill | hmm... no I didn't, but whatever. |
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| 18:28.06 | b_jonas | no, it doesn't tell anything |
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| 18:32.49 | tonytraductor | ok, I have http forwarded through pot 80 and 443 (in case comcast blocks 80), I have dydns set up on the router, but also have ddclient running on the machine. Should I kill it on my machine and let the router handle this? |
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| 18:33.29 | tonytraductor | and how do I get the http traffic to a specific directory? is that something I need to configure in apache? |
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| 18:34.39 | styxnsoon | Is it normal behaviour for the debian-installer to not find the volatile-repository nowadays? |
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| 18:34.53 | styxnsoon | I tried with different mirror, same behaviour |
| 18:34.57 | simonrvn | tonytraductor: last question: yes; other one: only if your router supports it |
| 18:35.08 | stew | tonytraductor: hey, did I get a manpage from you? |
| 18:35.20 | b_jonas | styxnsoon: yes |
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| 18:35.38 | styxnsoon | b_jonas: Thanks, i suppose bug is filed, gonna go on... |
| 18:36.11 | b_jonas | styxnsoon: http://lists.debian.org/debian-volatile-announce/2011/msg00000.html |
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| 18:37.13 | tonytraductor | stew, yes, I sent a man page for tritium |
| 18:37.56 | tosse | got an issue with preseed and debian 5 (yes, i know its old) even to i have d-i grub-installer/only_debian boolean true and d-i grub-installer/with_other_os boolean false it stops and says You chose not to install GRUB to any devices. ... and if i choose No it comes back to the same |
| 18:37.57 | tosse | any ideas? |
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| 18:38.04 | styxnsoon | b_jonas: now i know what to put in sources.list. I gotta ask, the bug is filed against debian-installer? |
| 18:38.05 | tonytraductor | ok, so yes, configure direction of http traffic with apache, and yes, let router manage dydns (it does support that)? |
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| 18:38.54 | styxnsoon | i imagine someone not knowing much about computers seeing this red screen while installing. can be intimidating. |
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| 18:40.41 | simonrvn | tonytraductor: apache handles http type requests, virtualhosts in apache (and other httpds) handle what sort of content is served when a request is made to that vhost. |
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| 18:41.58 | simonrvn | tonytraductor: so you'd make your dyndns thingy in a vhost, then configure access and so on there |
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| 18:42.46 | simonrvn | styxnsoon: certainly makes it clear somethings up ;p |
| 18:42.47 | grimace-wormtong | hello people |
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| 18:43.27 | grimace-wormtong | I was wondering if there was a way to get a color output when search with aptitude in the terminal so things can be little clear for new user. |
| 18:43.29 | grimace-wormtong | ?* |
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| 18:44.04 | tonytraductor | I have the http traffic routed from the router to this machine, and the dydns pointing the domain at the router |
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| 18:44.14 | tonytraductor | I just don't know what to do with the traffic once it gets to this machine |
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| 18:44.46 | tonytraductor | but directing this traffic would be apache2's job? |
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| 18:44.53 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: By default you're serving the contents of /var/www/http |
| 18:45.44 | grimace-wormtong | is there away to get color out put? |
| 18:45.48 | tonytraductor | I'm googling the heck out of this stuff, finding videos by dudes in India and stuff |
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| 18:46.14 | tonytraductor | aha |
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| 18:47.09 | tonytraductor | so why don't I see that index.html when I try to point my browser to the domain? is that a dydns problem? |
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| 18:48.18 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: Well, first hit the server from the internal network. |
| 18:48.20 | tonytraductor | or could it be because the router and ddclient on the machine are fighting over the domain? all I'm getting is the usual "chrome couldn't find that" |
| 18:48.38 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: Next, you'll need an external source to test the forwarding. |
| 18:49.03 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: The router does not redirect internal traffic. |
| 18:49.16 | tonytraductor | okay, when I go to another machine on THIS side of the router, and type the IP address of THIS machine, I see that apache page. |
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| 18:49.31 | tonytraductor | but with the dydns domain name (blinguas.homelinux.net) I get the google error |
| 18:49.35 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: I'd be willing to test it for you. |
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| 18:50.10 | tonytraductor | okay, can anybody try http://blinguas.homelinux.net or http://71.235.82.118 ? |
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| 18:51.03 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: confirmed. |
| 18:51.30 | tonytraductor | You should see a little page I just moved into that dir (replaced the index.html that was thee) |
| 18:51.40 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: portscanning you to see what nmap says. |
| 18:51.57 | tonytraductor | that tickles |
| 18:52.12 | jhutchins_lt | The redirect probably isn't working. |
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| 18:52.39 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: Did you say comcast? |
| 18:52.42 | tonytraductor | if the router handles dydns, I should kill ddclient on this machine, yes? |
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| 18:53.27 | hosler | i cant get pure ftpd to start on lenny |
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| 18:53.28 | tonytraductor | yeah, comcast, but I routed http through both 80 and 443, b/c I hear they may block 80 |
| 18:53.29 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: Yes. |
| 18:53.33 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: To kill ddns client on server if running on router. |
| 18:54.05 | b_jonas | There's also another bug here. When I start to autoscroll in firefox (with the middle mouse button), it sort of hangs: X won't react to any mouse clicks or keypresses. I can't even change to another window. |
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| 18:54.06 | jhutchins_lt | I'm geting the correct io. |
| 18:54.10 | b_jonas | The mouse cursor still keeps moving, and the firefox window keeps autoscrolling. |
| 18:54.10 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: Correct IP rather. |
| 18:54.13 | tonytraductor | ok killed ddlicnet here |
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| 18:54.33 | b_jonas | It gets alive again when the autoscroll reaches the end of the page, or when I switch to text console and back. |
| 18:54.38 | b_jonas | Maybe also after time. |
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| 18:54.46 | tonytraductor | the public ip address of the router is 71.235.82.118 |
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| 18:55.04 | b_jonas | To clarify, after it's started, it keeps autoscrolling with the same speed no matter how I move the mouse. |
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| 18:55.22 | tonytraductor | I can get the page from another machine here using the internal ip (168.192.1.*** |
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| 18:55.36 | manhunter | hi |
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| 18:56.18 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: nmap sees 22, 80,443 as "closed". |
| 18:56.34 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: So forwarding is not working. |
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| 18:57.23 | jordanm | often when forwarding is not working you would see "filtered" instead of closed |
| 18:57.29 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: Make sure that it allows traffic from any external address to be forwarded. |
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| 18:58.37 | tonytraductor | any external addres... |
| 18:58.38 | tonytraductor | brb |
| 18:58.39 | lgp171188 | Hi, I just installed Debian Squeeze on my laptop. I find that I am unable to drag and drop icons onto the gnome-panel. Any clues? |
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| 18:59.36 | Old_Spike0 | Am I wrong or is debian lacking a bash-info package, whether in main or not? |
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| 18:59.53 | themill | Old_Spike0: you are not wrong, unfortunately. |
| 19:00.06 | Technicus | How come Emerald is no longer in the repository? |
| 19:00.09 | Corellian | I'm trying to mount an usb-stick to recover data, but the kernel doesn't create a device file (e.g. /dev/sda1), dmesg outputs: can't set config #1, error â110 |
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| 19:00.40 | Old_Spike0 | themill: issues like free vs non-free? |
| 19:00.47 | jordanm | Technicus: don't think it ever was. I recall seeing the ITP |
| 19:01.03 | b_jonas | Old_Spike0: it's in the non-free section I think |
| 19:01.04 | themill | Old_Spike0: it's not in main because it is non-free and no-one has yet spent the time putting it in non-free |
| 19:01.15 | b_jonas | oh wait |
| 19:01.20 | tonytraductor | it doesn't look like I have anythig blocked at all. |
| 19:01.27 | b_jonas | right, that |
| 19:01.40 | b_jonas | sorry |
| 19:01.53 | jordanm | Technicus: yeah, never was: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=522935 |
| 19:01.53 | b_jonas | however, these days bash claims that the manpage is the official documentation |
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| 19:01.55 | Technicus | jordanm: I have installed it before. Maybe . . . I had done some modifications to the repository list I was using. |
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| 19:02.06 | b_jonas | so probably that's why they didn't bother with it, unlike some other non-free docs |
| 19:02.07 | themill | Old_Spike0: it's on my todo list fwiw... but then so are a lot of things |
| 19:02.17 | b_jonas | even though the bash info page is useful, and it documents readline |
| 19:02.27 | jordanm | Technicus: didn't come from debian repositories |
| 19:02.31 | Old_Spike0 | themill: so it is to be found in non-free, then? |
| 19:02.46 | themill | Old_Spike0: one day, but not at the moment. |
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| 19:03.50 | Old_Spike0 | themill: I see. Thank you. |
| 19:03.54 | b_jonas | hmm, I have an idea |
| 19:04.28 | b_jonas | what if this driver problem is related to the difference between amd64 and i386 |
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| 19:04.32 | b_jonas | say, if it _does_ need some firmware |
| 19:04.35 | b_jonas | but that firmware is only there in the i386 version or something |
| 19:04.51 | tonytraductor | does it matter if I'm blocking multicast? |
| 19:05.31 | jordanm | Technicus: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-mentors@lists.debian.org/msg70053.html he had trouble getting a sponsor |
| 19:05.51 | Corellian | I'm trying to mount an usb-stick to recover data, but the kernel doesn't create a device file (e.g. /dev/sda1), dmesg outputs: can't set config #1, error â110, any hint to mount it? |
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| 19:06.51 | b_jonas | Corellian: try to plug it to a different usb port, just in case it's a hardware problem |
| 19:07.02 | b_jonas | and check if that usb stick can be read from another computer |
| 19:07.15 | Corellian | b_jonas: can't be read from another computer |
| 19:07.46 | Corellian | b_jonas: it's not hardware fault, it's usb-stick fault (maybe fs corruption) |
| 19:07.55 | hosler | i need help getting pure-ftpd-mysql to start. the init script says it starts, i cant see it in netstat or when running top. how do i figure out whats going on? |
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| 19:08.25 | jordanm | hosler: is it using inetd? |
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| 19:08.39 | hosler | jordanm: the config is set to use standalone |
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| 19:08.56 | b_jonas | also, apparently whenever I try to load a page in firefox, if that's the first time I load from that domain name, it gives an error, but it does load it if I retry |
| 19:08.58 | jordanm | hosler: is the process itself running? |
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| 19:09.11 | b_jonas | at least sometimes |
| 19:09.13 | b_jonas | it doesn't always do that |
| 19:09.15 | hosler | jordanm: i dont think so. i cant see it in top |
| 19:09.31 | DimmuR | I'm having issues with pendrive - i've created partition on pendrive, formated it with mkfs.vfat then mounted but when i try copy files i get write error and logs like that http://wklej.to/oOAwf how can i make this pendrive work? (before recreating partition everything worked fine) |
| 19:09.35 | hosler | or ps -ax | grep ftp |
| 19:09.46 | nsi | hi! how i can set up bash like in fedora, when cd to other folder, its does show full path only current directory...thanks cheers ;) |
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| 19:10.11 | benjamindees | is there a program to compare different fonts side-by-side? |
| 19:10.34 | benjamindees | I want to see the letter 'A' in different fonts |
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| 19:10.54 | jordanm | nsi: its the PS1 variable. just set it the same in your ~/.bashrc as the fedora box |
| 19:10.59 | abrotman | nsi: look at your $PS1 |
| 19:11.14 | b_jonas | benjamindees: try the gimp font chooser dialog maybe |
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| 19:11.44 | blinki | is anybody familiar with the behavior of zsh when `sudo -s` is invoked? |
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| 19:11.53 | Technicus | jordanm: Well, I don't understand this and am poor at compiling from source. |
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| 19:13.10 | benjamindees | heh yeah I guess that works |
| 19:13.28 | nsi | jordanm, abrotman: thanks! |
| 19:13.42 | peterrooney | blinki: I'm sure someone is, but they're probably hanging out in #zsh |
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| 19:14.22 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: Try rebooting the router, then check the forwarding settings again. |
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| 19:14.41 | tonytraductor | ok |
| 19:14.43 | tonytraductor | brb |
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| 19:15.36 | jordanm | Technicus: you can build the propossed source package. dget http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/e/emerald/emerald_0.8.4-1.dsc |
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| 19:16.12 | ws2k3 | hello guys i have a python script that i wanne find its proces id using pgrep but i cant use any spaces in the pgrep command. the proces name is python myscript.py how can i get the proces id? |
| 19:16.23 | Technicus | jordanm: I don't have sufficient confidence to do that. |
| 19:16.26 | blinki | nevermind, I figured it out myself. |
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| 19:16.30 | hosler | how can i figure out why pure-ftpd is not starting when i run the command. it gives no error messages and logs are empty |
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| 19:16.54 | Technicus | jordanm: Thanks though. |
| 19:16.58 | jordanm | Technicus: ok... use gtk-window-decorator instead |
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| 19:19.55 | Technicus | jordanm: The only feature I really want this for is: [ toggle window shade ] with: [ mouswheel ] over: [ title bar ]. I can't seem to find that feature. I use to do it with Emerald. |
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| 19:20.31 | Technicus | jordanm: It is not a feature of Gnome but it is in KDE, I am using Gnome. |
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| 19:20.56 | jordanm | Technicus: I use xfce, and its a feature in that |
| 19:22.12 | Technicus | jordanm: I also use Compiz, but it doesn't seem to cooperate with xfce. |
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| 19:22.23 | Spec | ws2k3: I think most people think the best way to figure that out is to get the PID of the process when you launch it. it'll be saved in a variable named $! |
| 19:22.30 | Spec | ws2k3: and write it to a file. |
| 19:22.40 | jordanm | Technicus: I used compiz with xfce for years |
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| 19:22.55 | Spec | ws2k3: so you could launch your python script with a shell script that just calls the python script, and does something like: echo $! > /var/run/scriptname.pid |
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| 19:23.34 | stew | ws2k3: use pgrep -f to search the entire command line |
| 19:23.46 | tonytraductor | oh...seems my dydns services expired, but, still, using the public IP address should work, no? |
| 19:23.53 | stew | ws2k3: so "pgrep -f 'python myscript'" |
| 19:24.07 | tonytraductor | http://71.235.82.118 can anybody see what's there? |
| 19:24.15 | stew | tonytraductor: thanks for the manpage, I'll try to get a new debian upload containing it and some other fixes I've been sitting on |
| 19:24.43 | tonytraductor | from here, I can not, but that's trying to access the public IP from within the same network, not sure if that works |
| 19:24.43 | Technicus | jordanm: It is possible that the features of Compiz you use do not conflict with xfce and the features I use do. |
| 19:24.44 | tonytraductor | sure, Stew, thanks for writing a cool window manager |
| 19:24.49 | jhutchins_lt | Nope. |
| 19:24.49 | stew | tonytraductor: "Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused" |
| 19:25.15 | tonytraductor | F12 doesn't give me a menu in tritium. it should be like dmenu in dwm or the menu in ion3, no? |
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| 19:25.20 | tonytraductor | everything else works. |
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| 19:25.43 | tonytraductor | also, the only way I know to log-out of tritium is to kill it. did I miss something in the bindings? |
| 19:25.52 | stew | tonytraductor: oh, yes, it should. it used to, i'll figure out where that went |
| 19:26.06 | tonytraductor | connection refused...that would seem to indicate that the problem is at my router |
| 19:26.18 | stew | !connection refused |
| 19:26.18 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified IP address at all (e.g. apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 19:26.21 | tonytraductor | but I swear, http traffic is forward through ports 80 and 443 to this machine |
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| 19:27.04 | tonytraductor | I only have http and ssh enabled, no tco |
| 19:27.06 | tonytraductor | no tcp |
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| 19:27.25 | jordanm | tonytraductor: http is a TCP protocol |
| 19:27.30 | jhutchins_lt | You may have intende that, but it's not working. Even ssh. |
| 19:27.30 | tonytraductor | apache is running |
| 19:27.35 | tonytraductor | oh yeah, I knew that |
| 19:27.36 | b_jonas | tonytraductor: does it work locally? |
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| 19:27.56 | tonytraductor | yes, from another machine inside the house, using the internal IP of this machine, I get the page in /var/www |
| 19:28.10 | tonytraductor | so, it seems apache is doing it's job in here |
| 19:29.12 | soa2ii | Hi. Right now I just wonder about my new server os. I'm considering debian and centos. Now I would like to read something about selinux on debian and just find the wiki talking about testing/unstable http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux/Setup What is SELinux support like in debian 6? |
| 19:29.15 | b_jonas | and does it work from outside if you use an ip address directly? |
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| 19:29.58 | jordanm | soa2ii: not great. a lot of the work on selinux policies are incomplete, unless there was a lot of work done in the last year |
| 19:31.05 | b_jonas | so as to make sure it's not a dns problem |
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| 19:31.47 | jelly-home | soa2ii: don't count on usable policies |
| 19:32.00 | tonytraductor | wait according dydns, it IS sending blinguas.homelinux.net to the IP in my router |
| 19:32.00 | tonytraductor | the problem must be my router or my ISP? |
| 19:32.40 | soa2ii | jelly-home: I won't that's why I aks about debian6 since it's quite new and the wiki propably isn't. |
| 19:32.40 | b_jonas | sure, it could be that you configured the forwarding in the router wrong |
| 19:32.40 | soa2ii | But that's sad that debian isn't quite into SELinux |
| 19:32.42 | tonytraductor | hostname: blinguas.homelinux.net service: Host details: 71.235.82.118 last updated: Feb. 15, 2011 12:33 PM |
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| 19:33.00 | tonytraductor | it's a linksys, and in the admin page for applications, I set ssh and http to be sent to this machine, ssh on port 22, http on 80 and on 443 |
| 19:33.00 | soa2ii | tonytraductor: What's the problem? |
| 19:33.00 | jelly-home | soa2ii: implementing and testing selinux policy for one package is a lot of work. RHEL basically has it because they a) basically offloaded the initial creation to Fedora and b) because they have a very limited set of packages |
| 19:33.00 | stew | tonytraductor: the problem could be upstream of you, at your isp |
| 19:33.01 | tonytraductor | trying to host a page here, first attempt at hosting from home, dydns is pointing here, apache working here, but no traffic gets in |
| 19:33.06 | jordanm | jelly-home: last I checked there were working policies for exim but not postfix :\ odd priorities |
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| 19:33.18 | tonytraductor | Comcast blocking incoming http traffic? |
| 19:33.22 | stew | right |
| 19:33.25 | jelly-home | jordanm: odd? exim is the default mta |
| 19:33.26 | stew | (could be) |
| 19:33.43 | tonytraductor | they probably want to screw me out of even more money to allow http traffic in, is that it? |
| 19:33.47 | jordanm | jelly-home: erm.. I mean there were policies for postfix but not exim... I said that totally wrong |
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| 19:34.26 | jordanm | tonytraductor: very possible. when I moved to texas with comcast, I could no longer relay email through my server because of their port blocking crap |
| 19:34.48 | soa2ii | tonytraductor: Checked your router config? |
| 19:34.48 | jelly-home | jordanm: oh. In that case, that's because postfix totally rules and should be the default MTA! |
| 19:34.59 | jelly-home | jordanm: do they block outbound tcp/587 as well? |
| 19:35.06 | jordanm | disagrees with jelly-home |
| 19:35.15 | b_jonas | tonytraductor: sorry for asking the obvious, but did you make sure to "apply" the router config after setting it? |
| 19:35.56 | jordanm | jelly-home: no |
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| 19:36.17 | jordanm | jelly-home: I never looked into if it was possible to configure smarthost relay on an alternate port. I am sure that it is |
| 19:36.18 | soa2ii | tonytraductor: Could you give me your dyndns? |
| 19:36.20 | b_jonas | tonytraductor: also, make sure it's "port forwarding", not "port triggering" |
| 19:36.20 | tonytraductor | yes, I did apply the settings, and have even rebooted the router, and they're still set that way. |
| 19:36.37 | tonytraductor | the dydns domain? it's http://blinguas.homelinux.net/ |
| 19:37.03 | tonytraductor | yeah, triggering is off, fowarding is on. |
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| 19:37.08 | jelly-home | jordanm: 587 is the standard submission service port. Use that. $employer also blocks outbound tcp/25... it's a sensible thing to do considering the costs and benefits. |
| 19:37.26 | soa2ii | tonytraductor: That's what nmap says: 80/tcp closed http |
| 19:37.26 | jelly-home | jordanm: with postfix it's a one line uncomment and restart! |
| 19:37.40 | b_jonas | jelly-home: now blocking smtp totally makes sense |
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| 19:38.04 | b_jonas | so that other mail providers don't ban the whole company for a virus on someone's computer |
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| 19:38.27 | tonytraductor | 80/tcp closed http...what does this mean? that http is not allowed? |
| 19:38.31 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: Strange thing is that port 22 appears to be blocked as well. |
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| 19:38.42 | tonytraductor | but it is, I swear! could only be my ISP interfering then? |
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| 19:38.48 | tonytraductor | ssh should be open on 22 |
| 19:38.56 | jordanm | tonytraductor: comcast ToS will state that you are not allowed to run services on their home connections |
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| 19:39.31 | b_jonas | they really do that? |
| 19:39.35 | b_jonas | wow, and I thought our isp was bad |
| 19:39.36 | b_jonas | :-) |
| 19:39.39 | soa2ii | tonytraductor: ssh: connect to host blinguas.homelinux.net port 22: Connection refused |
| 19:39.47 | jordanm | b_jonas: very common for U.S. ISPs |
| 19:40.00 | soa2ii | tonytraductor: There's nothing reachable |
| 19:40.43 | b_jonas | jordanm: even for non-mobile ones? I know mobile phone isps do it |
| 19:41.09 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: http://portforward.com/ |
| 19:41.20 | tonytraductor | here is a screenshot of the linksys admin page: http://www.baldwinsoftware.com/images/portsforward.jpg |
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| 19:41.31 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: You could try an alternative port like 8080 - just forward it to 80 on the server. |
| 19:41.31 | jordanm | b_jonas: yes, at&t, comcast, and even my old local cable company back in louisville all did not all services on their home services per ToS |
| 19:41.37 | b_jonas | tonytraductor: and is that still the internal ip address of the server |
| 19:41.47 | tonytraductor | yes |
| 19:41.51 | tonytraductor | I can access it from other machines inside |
| 19:42.54 | tonytraductor | oh...darn it...no....that's the wrong machine! DOh! |
| 19:42.56 | b_jonas | I guess it's the isp then |
| 19:42.56 | b_jonas | oh |
| 19:42.56 | tonytraductor | shnould be 101, no 1011 |
| 19:42.56 | tonytraductor | not 100 |
| 19:42.58 | Pumba | I just figured out why my vision was so strange after my bike crash earlier today :) |
| 19:42.58 | soa2ii | omg :P |
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| 19:42.59 | b_jonas | Pumba: your glasses shattered? |
| 19:42.59 | simonrvn | concussion? |
| 19:42.59 | tonytraductor | ok, I just went to fix that, and was clicking on my screenshot trying to figure out why I could not ... |
| 19:43.21 | Pumba | ...but you could always get in touch with your ISP for a connection allowing to run a server at home ;) |
| 19:43.22 | tonytraductor | aw man...I need more coffeee, or something |
| 19:43.22 | tonytraductor | one moment |
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| 19:43.27 | Pumba | b_jonas: not exactly shattered ... but I lost the left glass |
| 19:43.28 | dvs | !beer tonytraductor |
| 19:43.28 | dpkg | pulls out an exquisite Spaten Optimator for tonytraductor |
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| 19:43.33 | dvs | The taps are dry today? |
| 19:43.39 | tonytraductor | okay, set the correct machine. try now, please: http://blinguas.homelinux.net/ |
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| 19:45.16 | b_jonas | tonytraductor: better |
| 19:45.17 | b_jonas | it says "These aren't the droids you're looking for" |
| 19:45.19 | jhutchins_lt | I think we lost dpkg in the netsplit. |
| 19:45.20 | tonytraductor | IT WORKS!! |
| 19:45.20 | tonytraductor | :) |
| 19:45.20 | tonytraductor | awesome |
| 19:45.20 | b_jonas | and shows an image of 3cpo and r2d2 with fake moustache |
| 19:45.22 | tonytraductor | I'm going to put something else in there. see if I can install mediawiki locally or something, maybe pmwiki |
| 19:45.26 | b_jonas | and either it's a large image or I only see it that way because the intel video driver still doesn't work so I'm using a low resolution |
| 19:45.27 | jhutchins_lt | Pumba: comcast doesn't allow it at all. Their commerial network is physically seperate. |
| 19:45.58 | jelly-home | ikiwiki is the palindromic wiki! |
| 19:45.59 | Technicus | jordanm: after inquiring on #gnome and #compiz this was discovered: Juhaz: sri: nikitis: on the Compiz channel: [ coz_ ] found this: [ http://geek-out-blog.blogspot.com/2010/01/scroll-your-mouse-wheel-in-up-direction.html ] and it works! |
| 19:45.59 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: w00t! |
| 19:46.18 | tonytraductor | thank you all once again! |
| 19:46.24 | tonytraductor | the Debian Community is unequaled! I've tried the rest, Debian is the best! |
| 19:46.27 | Technicus | jordanm: Thanks for your assistance! |
| 19:46.37 | tonytraductor | I'm going to go and shower before I have to get my kid at school. |
| 19:46.48 | tonytraductor | I'll be back! |
| 19:46.51 | Pumba | jhutchins_lt: I can see reasons why to do such a thing ;) |
| 19:47.26 | dvs | Don't bring Debian in the shower! |
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| 19:49.34 | b_jonas | ah look! |
| 19:49.34 | b_jonas | I solved the problem with the driver! |
| 19:49.34 | dvs | looks |
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| 19:49.52 | b_jonas | I compiled the kernel with the correct options |
| 19:49.52 | b_jonas | and now it works |
| 19:49.54 | b_jonas | but I still don't understand why it doesn't work with the debian kernel |
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| 19:50.27 | miasma | b_jonas: what doesn't work |
| 19:50.45 | b_jonas | miasma: X.org wouldn't use the intel driver, only the vesa driver |
| 19:50.52 | miasma | oh |
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| 19:51.29 | miasma | b_jonas: you probably need to enable the kernel driver + set up X.org to use xorg-intel drivers |
| 19:52.02 | miasma | b_jonas: maybe the intel drivers in the debian kernel are older or don't autodetect it |
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| 19:52.26 | ttiicc | does fsck and badblocks do the same thing? is fsck a front-end for badblocks? |
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| 19:53.41 | simonrvn | no, they don't. read the manuals for them |
| 19:53.51 | benjamindees | no they don't do the same thing but I think fsck has an option to call badblocks |
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| 19:55.32 | b_jonas | miasma: with the debian kernel, modprobe i915 complained about "i915: Unknown parameter `modeset'" |
| 19:55.38 | b_jonas | miasma: so probably that's how it also couldn't automatically load the module |
| 19:55.41 | b_jonas | I don't know why that is though |
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| 19:56.54 | b_jonas | The bug with firefox and autoscrolling also seems to be gone now. |
| 19:57.07 | rubberneck | Is there a command that will tell me current bandwidth usage for a specified interface in Kb/sec? |
| 19:57.35 | rubberneck | Or do I have to use something like netstat and do the math myself? |
| 19:57.42 | soa2ii | rubberneck: iftop |
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| 19:58.06 | rubberneck | soa2ii: Im looking for something that comes with the distro |
| 19:58.22 | soa2ii | rubberneck: iftop |
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| 19:58.27 | peterrooney | ,versions iftop |
| 19:58.29 | judd | Package iftop on i386 -- lenny: 0.17-8; sid: 0.17-16; squeeze: 0.17-16; wheezy: 0.17-16; experimental: 0.17-17 |
| 19:58.29 | soa2ii | aptitude install |
| 19:58.37 | miasma | b_jonas: ah, that's probably an incompatibility with X.org. you see the modeset is a new feature in linux graphics. modern X.org supports and might depend on it |
| 19:58.44 | peterrooney | rubberneck: yep, it is available in debian. |
| 19:59.10 | rubberneck | Im looking for something that is installed with the distro by default. |
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| 19:59.34 | ws2k3 | is it possible to take a screen session of another user? |
| 19:59.36 | b_jonas | miasma: still, modprobe tries to use it yet it's not in the Debian kernel. isn't that a bug? |
| 19:59.45 | soa2ii | rubberneck: Why? It's a tiny tool without deps. But I don't know anxything installed. |
| 20:00.02 | miasma | b_jonas: althought i'm not sure why the modprobe would show that error. i915 works here both with and without modeset compiled in the kernel. i use a custom kernel |
| 20:00.20 | b_jonas | it's not actually modprobe that shows it but dmesg after modprobe actually |
| 20:00.38 | b_jonas | but modprobe -v i915 confirms that it tries to pass the argument |
| 20:00.47 | miasma | b_jonas: maybe somebody else knows this better. the modprobe might pull in the modeset argument from some config file in /etc |
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| 20:01.32 | miasma | b_jonas: and if the kernel driver is too old, it doesn't support the setting |
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| 20:01.55 | karlpinc | b_jonas: Glad you got it working. (You could file a bug and see...) |
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| 20:02.27 | miasma | b_jonas: ah yes /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf contains it |
| 20:02.29 | miasma | you might try removing the option from there |
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| 20:03.18 | b_jonas | thanks to jhutchins_lt, jemark, miasma, and everyone else on the channel that helped |
| 20:03.24 | b_jonas | miasma: well, I tried to insmod directly once and I think it didn't help |
| 20:03.25 | miasma | ok |
| 20:03.25 | b_jonas | that is, it loaded the module but X wouldn't use it |
| 20:03.32 | miasma | heh |
| 20:03.36 | b_jonas | but I could be wrong there |
| 20:03.36 | miasma | maybe it was too old |
| 20:03.38 | b_jonas | I only tried it once |
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| 20:04.08 | b_jonas | and in any case, I definitely want to use a custom kernel, so I'm not too interested in fixing it with the debian kernel |
| 20:04.09 | miasma | right |
| 20:04.31 | b_jonas | though I might still try whether it works fine with the debian squeeze amd64 live disk |
| 20:04.34 | b_jonas | it does work wity the i386 live disk |
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| 20:05.03 | miasma | b_jonas: i'm using i915 with 2.6.37. basic desktop works just fine. some small problems with more exotic opengl, but there's no fix for that i think |
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| 20:05.07 | twanny796 | running lenny, can I apt-get install another kernel? |
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| 20:06.37 | b_jonas | twanny796: what kind of kernel? |
| 20:06.42 | twanny796 | b_jonas: one that has pata_it821x |
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| 20:06.51 | b_jonas | twanny796: you'll probably have to look for a package with a kernel module, not one with a whole kernel |
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| 20:07.06 | b_jonas | hmm wait no |
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| 20:07.20 | b_jonas | what kind of module is that? is it one you need at boot time? is it an ATA controller? |
| 20:07.25 | AEX | hi i have problem with configuring of wlan0. can anyone help? |
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| 20:07.58 | twanny796 | b_jonas: where do I search for packages? |
| 20:08.23 | ttiicc | will fsck find physical bad blocks? or will I have to use badblocks for finding the physical damaged blocks? |
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| 20:08.46 | miasma | b_jonas: if it's the driver for the controller of the drive that contains the root partition, linux naturally won't boot without the driver built in |
| 20:08.46 | AEX | ignoring unknown interface wlan0 can anyone help? |
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| 20:09.31 | jhutchins_lt | AEX: you don't have a wlan0, but have specified one in some configuration. |
| 20:09.32 | stew | AEX: that means you haven't described wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces yet |
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| 20:11.13 | stew | AEX: i'm assuming this came from "ifup wlan0"? |
| 20:11.22 | AEX | now he said: Failed to bring up wlan0 |
| 20:11.25 | AEX | where i find what i must insert into interfaces |
| 20:11.27 | b_jonas | hmm wait |
| 20:11.28 | b_jonas | is debian squeeze really supposed to use a kernel based on linux 2.6.26 ? |
| 20:11.28 | b_jonas | shouldn't it be something newer, like 2.6.32? |
| 20:11.28 | b_jonas | maybe _that's_ my problem |
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| 20:11.35 | AEX | i have only: adress, netmask and gateway ^^ |
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| 20:12.04 | jhutchins_lt | !tell AEX about wifi |
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| 20:12.09 | stew | AEX: are you trying to connect to an encrypted network? |
| 20:12.17 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: tell AEX about wifi |
| 20:12.24 | stew | AEX: do you often connect to different networks? or do you always connect to the same network? |
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| 20:12.32 | b_jonas | sorry |
| 20:12.35 | AEX | i try into my wpa2 network |
| 20:12.36 | b_jonas | so my problem was that I didn't have the linux kernel for squeeze installed |
| 20:12.39 | stew | b_jonas: squeeze ships with 2.6.32, it doesn't contain 2.6.26 |
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| 20:12.52 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 20:12.55 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.37-trunk-686 (2.6.37-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); wheezy: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 20:12.56 | Rienzilla | hmm |
| 20:13.09 | jhutchins_lt | b_jonas: did you do an apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 20:13.12 | Rienzilla | did anyone try to upgrade to squeeze on a xenserver vm? |
| 20:13.33 | Rienzilla | My first try resulted in xenserver not being able to boot the upgraded machine |
| 20:13.46 | AEX | :stew can i write about qry for a minute? |
| 20:13.48 | jhutchins_lt | Rienzilla: Yes there are issues. |
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| 20:14.00 | jhutchins_lt | AEX: please see the message from dpkg. |
| 20:14.15 | AEX | i'm looking :) |
| 20:14.17 | Rienzilla | I worked around by not booting it in PV-mode, and having grub2 handle the booting, but that's not all too nice |
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| 20:14.18 | stew | AEX: you can, but you're more likely to get better help in here |
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| 20:15.52 | Guest87255 | Hello. |
| 20:16.05 | Guest87255 | What are my options as far as installing the latest debian on a Compaq Armada E500 |
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| 20:16.14 | Guest87255 | with a 11GB hard drive and Intel Pentium 3 |
| 20:16.55 | jelly-home | Guest87255: how much RAM? If you put in 256-512MB it might be usable |
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| 20:17.16 | jelly-home | ||||||||||||||||: srsly |
| 20:17.39 | miasma | Guest87255: depends more on the desktop and how it is used. the linux / distro specific stuff doesn't need much resources |
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| 20:19.42 | Rienzilla | jhutchins_lt: is there a list with xenserver/squeeze specific issues somewhere? |
| 20:19.44 | Guest87255 | How can I install it via usb devices |
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| 20:20.28 | Guest87255 | Can I install it via usb flash drive. |
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| 20:20.30 | Guest87255 | was my question, sorry. |
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| 20:20.31 | stew | AEX: for wpa, i'd recommend using something like wicd or network-manager |
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| 20:20.33 | stew | AEX: otherwise, install wpasuppicant and configure wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 20:20.34 | miasma | Guest87255: you can make a bootable usb flash drive. you also need to check that the machine supports it. the bios might be old |
| 20:20.34 | stew | and i believe you have to start a wpa daemon by hand in that case |
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| 20:20.45 | miasma | Guest87255: the compaq systems have a shitty bios IMHO. don't support anything fancy |
| 20:20.45 | jelly-home | Guest87255: I found Debian lenny with xfce 4.4 to be usable when my old E500 had 320MB. That was 5+ years ago. Don't remember if it could boot off USB. |
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| 20:20.59 | AEX | last time i have configured it complete in interfaces i think |
| 20:21.09 | jelly-home | miasma: it's a business model |
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| 20:21.14 | jelly-home | !ops please make [[[[[[]]]]]] stop |
| 20:21.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jelly-home complains about: please make [[[[[[]]]]]] stop |
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| 20:21.32 | miasma | jelly-home: it was a terrible business model XD not many compaqs on sale anymore |
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| 20:22.22 | Guest87255 | Trying to instsall it. |
| 20:22.23 | Guest87255 | using the usb flash drive |
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| 20:22.26 | jelly-home | miasma: it has served me well runnig under Debian is what I'm saying |
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| 20:22.34 | miasma | jelly-home: sure |
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| 20:22.37 | Guest87255 | Is there any way I can install it through Windows? (Windows 2000) |
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| 20:22.59 | miasma | Guest87255: i recommend first testing whether the bios supports that. if it doesn't, you can't use your flash drive |
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| 20:24.08 | jelly-home | miasma: that includes tidbits like suspend/hibernate and other stuff that can be problematic on notebooks |
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| 20:24.09 | Guest87255 | Is there an exe I can downloa |
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| 20:24.20 | miasma | jelly-home: ah, well that sounds pretty good then |
| 20:24.34 | jelly-home | miasma: had an Armada 7800 before that. It was also nice for Linux. |
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| 20:25.22 | Guest87255 | Is there an exe I can download to install debian? |
| 20:25.22 | miasma | jelly-home: i recently had a fujitsu-siemens amilo or something. the acpi was terribly broken. the machine kind of went into a sleep state between every key press |
| 20:26.12 | miasma | never seen that kind of problem before |
| 20:26.12 | peterrooney | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.16 | adb | !debian.exe |
| 20:26.16 | dpkg | http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues), see site for all FAQ. #goodbye-windows.com on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:26.30 | jelly-home | miasma: is that a low end/consumer or business series? |
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| 20:27.02 | miasma | jelly-home: yes, it's the lowest end consumer model. and it contains a broken acpi especially for linux :S |
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| 20:27.07 | miasma | jelly-home: i got it for free. i thought that it might be ok for powerpoints and web surfing. i was wrong |
| 20:27.31 | jelly-home | miasma: that's kind of expected. Business-class brands tend to fare better (they recieve at least some testing with different versions of...windows) |
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| 20:27.47 | miasma | jelly-home: the s3/via graphics also refused to believe the physical dimensions of the screen were 1024x768. the rest of the 1600x1200 screen was naturally cut off by the frame around the panel :F |
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| 20:28.03 | Guest87255 | do the debian.exe you suggested me to need to be connected to the internet install? |
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| 20:28.15 | Guest87255 | If it does, then I don't think I can do it.... |
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| 20:29.54 | Guest87255 | if I can get away with installing a small portion of debian then yes. |
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| 20:30.47 | miasma | Guest87255: there are several versions of debian installers. if you manage to install apt + network drivers, you can install the rest from debian |
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| 20:30.54 | doughj3 | I have configured /etc/network/interfaces with a static ipv6 address, but I am also getting another global address through dhcp. Why might this be? |
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| 20:32.45 | miasma | Guest87255: you might need extra effort with wifi + proprietary firmware |
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| 20:44.21 | twinkie_addict | o/ |
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| 20:48.48 | dgm_077 | hey people, does anyone know an easy way to get openvpn to dont ask every startup/boot for the passphrase? in a previous install of squeeze it works fine ... asks me one time for phrase then never again |
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| 20:49.57 | Kobaz | how would i regenerate /var/lib/dpkg/available |
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| 20:52.44 | itchi | dgm_077: you didn't had set a passphrase then i guess |
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| 20:53.19 | drawks | hey all |
| 20:53.24 | itchi | dgm_077: or, the service didn't started automagically... |
| 20:53.24 | dgm_077 | no there was also a passphras |
| 20:53.25 | dgm_077 | e |
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| 20:53.45 | dgm_077 | hm k point 2 seems possible |
| 20:53.49 | simonrvn | !seen all |
| 20:53.50 | dpkg | simonrvn: i haven't seen 'all' |
| 20:53.57 | itchi | dgm_077: yeah, then it didn't started automatically |
| 20:54.00 | drawks | nyuck nyuck nyuck |
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| 20:54.34 | itchi | dgm_077: in most cases, it's a bad idea to let it start automatically, or your doing a bridge |
| 20:54.37 | drawks | anyone know the partman magic to specify FS labels during preseed? |
| 20:54.51 | rubberneck | Is there a kickstart equivelent for Debian? |
| 20:54.56 | peterrooney | Kobaz: most likely, aptitude update |
| 20:55.16 | drawks | rubberneck: preseed |
| 20:55.28 | dgm_077 | itchi: you know a way do safe the phrase in a credential or something like that an let openvpn start automatically? |
| 20:55.54 | jhutchins | dgm_077: Are you talking about starting the server or the vpn connection? |
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| 20:56.15 | dgm_077 | start vpnclient at boot |
| 20:56.16 | itchi | dgm_077: well, That way isn't secure, that way a passphrase is useless heh |
| 20:56.19 | rubberneck | drawks: Thx Ill take a look. |
| 20:56.31 | dgm_077 | hm yes i know |
| 20:56.36 | Kobaz | peterrooney: apt-get update is the same... right? |
| 20:56.51 | jhutchins | itchi: What did you use to set it up? |
| 20:57.00 | itchi | jhutchins: openvpn |
| 20:57.09 | peterrooney | Kobaz: yep |
| 20:57.15 | jhutchins | itchi: I mean what did you use to set up the specific connection? |
| 20:57.16 | itchi | that's client & server |
| 20:57.26 | jhutchins | Grr, doing it again. |
| 20:57.33 | dgm_077 | itchi: but it seems not usefull to ask for a passphrase at startup |
| 20:57.43 | jhutchins | dgm_077: what tool did you use to set up the connection. |
| 20:57.48 | itchi | dgm_077: don't give one, and none will be asked :) |
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| 20:57.55 | Kobaz | hmm |
| 20:58.00 | jhutchins | itSorry, got my nics mixed again. |
| 20:58.06 | dgm_077 | hm its not my server its from my company |
| 20:58.23 | jhutchins | The password should be in /etc/ppp/secrets |
| 20:58.27 | peterrooney | Kobaz: if the file is seriously corrupted, you might try "dpkg --clear-available; aptitude update" |
| 20:58.50 | simonrvn | oh, that's new (to me) |
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| 20:59.23 | simonrvn | i wonder if that's less characters to type than rm /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 20:59.29 | dgm_077 | hm ok i try to save the pw in /etc/ppp/secrets |
| 20:59.32 | simonrvn | about the same |
| 20:59.49 | itchi | dgm_077: keep in mind that it's insecure! |
| 20:59.59 | itchi | dgm_077: check file permissions on that too! |
| 21:00.03 | simonrvn | it's an itchi! |
| 21:00.05 | dgm_077 | yes i keep it in mind |
| 21:00.06 | jhutchins | itchi: Are you at all familiar with ppp/vpn? |
| 21:00.11 | itchi | simonrvn: :P |
| 21:00.22 | itchi | jhutchins: openvpn yeah, ppp no |
| 21:00.24 | dgm_077 | itchi: permission should 600? |
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| 21:00.42 | jhutchins | itchi: Allmost all clients store the passwords for the connections. |
| 21:00.49 | itchi | dgm_077: shouldn't be readable by everyone :D |
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| 21:00.56 | dgm_077 | kk |
| 21:01.00 | dgm_077 | thanks |
| 21:01.03 | itchi | jhutchins: that's not true |
| 21:01.07 | stew | itchi: why is it insecure? is there a secure alternative? |
| 21:01.15 | jhutchins | dgm_077: You can't just put the password in the file. THere's a whole procedure for setting up a connection. |
| 21:01.26 | itchi | stew: yeah, don't store passwords :) |
| 21:01.32 | itchi | just type it |
| 21:01.33 | jhutchins | itchi: Sure is. Connection managers on router store them too. |
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| 21:01.51 | stew | itchi: its more security to make a user type the password you mean? |
| 21:01.53 | simonrvn | yes, there is, you might want to run pppconfig |
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| 21:02.00 | jhutchins | itchi: He wants his networking to start up when he boots. Quit being pedantic. |
| 21:02.16 | simonrvn | at least to show you the format |
| 21:02.19 | itchi | stew: well, i meant that it isn't safe to store a password in a file |
| 21:02.23 | dgm_077 | jhutchins: oh ok so maybee i ask the internet for the procedure and dont bother you ;) |
| 21:02.24 | simonrvn | or read the manual ;p |
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| 21:02.55 | jhutchins | dgm_077: wgat stu said - pppconfig |
| 21:02.56 | itchi | at least for that openvpn stuff... |
| 21:03.12 | itchi | ok, i give up, Store your password where you want guys :D |
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| 21:03.27 | jhutchins | dgm_077: That or use a network manager applet from a gui. |
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| 21:04.10 | b_jonas | jhutchins_lt: sorry, interrupt. yes, I did dist-upgrade, but as I used a custom kernel, I apparently didn't have this metapacakge that installs the latest kernel. |
| 21:04.20 | dgm_077 | hm i think the gui is not realy good. or can i make openvpn dont start while booting |
| 21:04.25 | jhutchins | b_jonas: Ah. |
| 21:04.27 | dgm_077 | i thing thats more secure |
| 21:04.28 | b_jonas | I'll install "linux-image-2.6-amd64" now, that should depend on the latest kernel |
| 21:04.38 | aarkerio | Hi! anybody know a doc about how change the beep system? |
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| 21:04.44 | b_jonas | maybe it was actually recommended and I uninstalled it |
| 21:04.49 | dkr | aarkerio: man xset |
| 21:04.53 | b_jonas | that is, recommended in the default config |
| 21:04.54 | itchi | dgm_077: check /etc/default/openvpn |
| 21:05.07 | jhutchins | dgm_077: What you want is fine - you don't really need to worry about it on a single user system. |
| 21:05.30 | jhutchins | dgm_077: Yes, there's some risk in storing the plain-text password, but I've never heard of a linux system having the ppp password file compromized. |
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| 21:06.41 | aarkerio | dkr, thx! |
| 21:06.50 | jhutchins | Actually, openvpn uses ssl keys, so if you don't put a password on the key it works fine. |
| 21:06.52 | dgm_077 | jhutchins: hm ok so i ask the internet for storing pw in ppp thanks a lot |
| 21:07.18 | jhutchins | dgm_077: What I recommend is using one of the tools to set up the connection. |
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| 21:07.54 | dkr | aarkerio: and it's called "bell" rather than beep, for historical reasons, :) |
| 21:07.54 | jhutchins | dgm_077: I don't know of a step-by-step guide... |
| 21:08.17 | dgm_077 | jhutchins: hm i put the conffiles and so in in the openvpen folder and it connects very well |
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| 21:08.43 | jhutchins | dgm_077: Ok, I was mixing up a different type of VPN |
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| 21:08.53 | jhutchins | dgm_077: Sorry. |
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| 21:09.00 | dgm_077 | jhutchins: np |
| 21:09.22 | jhutchins | has used a console that had a real bell. |
| 21:09.36 | dgm_077 | jhutchins: i ll try to save it in ppp and learn more about that stuff ;) |
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| 21:10.11 | jhutchins | dgm_077: ppp is a different kind of vpn. |
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| 21:10.38 | dgm_077 | jhutchins: oh right i mixed up them too ... meh |
| 21:10.50 | jhutchins | dgm_077: Lots of info on openvpn.net |
| 21:11.00 | smacnay | there is no longer a gnome-shell package in Debian sid? |
| 21:11.55 | dgm_077 | jhutchins: yes i know i tryed to get throu the information but nothing real makes that the boot will not be stoped |
| 21:12.42 | itchi | well openvpn isn't that hard at all |
| 21:13.17 | itchi | but i'm kinda confussed now haha :D |
| 21:13.19 | stew | smacnay: not since december: http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gnome-shell/news/20101211T102629Z.html |
| 21:13.58 | smacnay | stew, thanks - I must have missed a bunch of stuff. Thanks for the link - I will read up on that. |
| 21:14.13 | dgm_077 | hm i heard about --askpass .. and --auth-user-pass.. or something like that |
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| 21:14.57 | itchi | dgm_077: just saw that too. Maybe need to check the file: /etc/default/openvpn about that OPTARGS="" |
| 21:15.03 | b_jonas | and indeed, with the right debian kernel ( 2.6.32-5-amd64) it does work |
| 21:15.07 | b_jonas | thanks for all the help |
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| 21:16.37 | dgm_077 | itchi: what about OPTARGS? its emty at my config |
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| 21:16.42 | itchi | dgm_077: What i wanted to point out is that if this get compromissed, it's about the direct "LAN" access, which will be hard to debug if there's some hole into it |
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| 21:17.07 | itchi | dgm_077: here too, maybe need to add there that argument with your password, but honesty, dunno about that |
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| 21:17.20 | itchi | dgm_077: and i wouldn't do that way too |
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| 21:20.58 | dgm_077 | ok itchi i think it is better to dont start openvpn at startup |
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| 21:21.27 | itchi | dgm_077: well, someone pointed it, if it's single user machine... (or i shall says single admin machine) then it's more "safe" |
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| 21:22.50 | itchi | dgm_077: Have you a reason to let it automatically started at boot time? |
| 21:22.57 | dgm_077 | itchi: i think there is more then the safty problem if it starts when i need it i can oontrol when someone from my company can connect to my ps |
| 21:23.06 | lcb | hi have a laptop running with external monitor and keyboard. i would like backlist the modules for the original keyboard and monitor. is there a specific option to look for it ?... modprobe --list key* doesn't look right. |
| 21:23.14 | dgm_077 | itchi: hm no there is no reason |
| 21:23.17 | itchi | dgm_077: could that routing isn't ok, that all data pass to the "work" pipeline :) |
| 21:23.26 | dgm_077 | it was the default after install openvpn |
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| 21:23.52 | itchi | dgm_077: well don't do it the :) |
| 21:23.54 | itchi | then* |
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| 21:24.35 | dgm_077 | itchi: yes your right i just tried to figure out what is easeier |
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| 21:25.38 | dgm_077 | itchi: startup with credential or switch of that autostart |
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| 21:27.23 | itchi | dgm_077: it's of the principe of: don't need it, don't use it |
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| 21:27.35 | itchi | dgm_077: just need to see if you need it or not :P |
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| 21:28.11 | dgm_077 | itchi: yep your right and it is the easiest way |
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| 21:28.38 | dgm_077 | maybee i creat a little script to start it when i need it |
| 21:28.58 | dgm_077 | and stop when work is done :D |
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| 21:29.02 | itchi | dgm_077: hhhmm, just remote access it, start it manually and there you go |
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| 21:30.08 | itchi | dgm_077: do you need that little script?? :D |
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| 21:30.20 | dgm_077 | ok itchi can you tell me where i find that openvpn dont start at startup? |
| 21:30.27 | dgm_077 | itchi: no i dont need |
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| 21:30.42 | dgm_077 | itchi: but thanks ;) |
| 21:30.46 | itchi | dgm_077: /etc/default/openvpn ,8,9,10] [1065 nicks (*0 @3 %0 +0 1062)] [2.41 2.35 1.63] |
| 21:30.49 | itchi | [#debian] dgm_077: /etc/default/openvpn |
| 21:30.53 | itchi | oeps |
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| 21:30.58 | itchi | AUTOSTART="none" |
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| 21:31.12 | dgm_077 | uncommand? |
| 21:31.22 | itchi | dgm_077: just set there AUTOSTART="none" |
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| 21:31.45 | dgm_077 | ok i dit |
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| 21:32.07 | itchi | dgm_077: then try to restart the openvpn service :) |
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| 21:32.32 | itchi | dgm_077: if you get the warning, then it's ok :) |
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| 21:33.23 | dgm_077 | itchi: hm but the problem was the openvpn startup at boot not the autoconnect to my company |
| 21:33.34 | anoob | i've made two patchs and attached then to the bug reports but nobody answers... is it the right place for patchs? |
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| 21:34.24 | stew | anoob: yes, its a good place. you also might consider sending patches upstream if that is appropriate |
| 21:34.45 | itchi | dgm_077: openvpn will start at boot anyway, he will see if there somethings to load. If yes, tries to start the connection, ask for passphrase if there's one... |
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| 21:35.13 | mentor | anoob: Which packages? |
| 21:35.14 | itchi | s/load/autostart/ |
| 21:35.20 | dgm_077 | oh ok now i get it sry was a looong day ;) |
| 21:35.29 | itchi | dgm_077: no problem mate :) |
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| 21:35.49 | itchi | dgm_077: you can make in sort that openvpn doesn't start at all, but ... :D |
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| 21:36.51 | dgm_077 | itchi: erm no thats too much ;) |
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| 21:37.23 | itchi | dgm_077: yeah, don't look to far away ;) |
| 21:37.39 | itchi | (even if it's peace of cake haha) |
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| 21:38.10 | dgm_077 | itchi: sounds like fortunes :P |
| 21:38.17 | itchi | dgm_077: :D |
| 21:38.22 | itchi | dgm_077: kind of tire too :P |
| 21:38.28 | dgm_077 | ^^ |
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| 21:38.29 | itchi | bah, tired* |
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| 21:39.18 | itchi | dgm_077: was this all clear? |
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| 21:39.56 | dgm_077 | itchi: i think so but if there is a question i m not afraid to ask freenode/debian again |
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| 21:40.01 | dgm_077 | thanks a lot |
| 21:40.04 | dgm_077 | :D |
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| 21:40.11 | itchi | dgm_077: your welcome :) will sleep better now :P |
| 21:40.22 | itchi | Good night all, and thanks for your fish ;) |
| 21:40.26 | dgm_077 | hope sp |
| 21:40.29 | dgm_077 | *so |
| 21:40.34 | dgm_077 | good night |
| 21:40.50 | axisys | I have this isolinux.cfg file http://pastebin.com/X1AWbeU8 .. but my linux installation is not reading it .. anyway to debug it? |
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| 21:48.19 | wolfric | http://pastebin.com/TMPLBN2Z does this mean the file is locked? Are these temporary caches of package listings debian uses when it does apt-get update? |
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| 21:48.30 | wolfric | can i find out what's locked it and unlock it? |
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| 21:49.36 | jhutchins | ... |
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| 21:50.23 | stew | wolfric: no, it doesn't appear to be a locking problem. what command gave you that error? |
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| 21:51.31 | jhutchins | wolfric: That file should contain a deb source line or two. |
| 21:51.40 | jhutchins | wolfric: Can _you_ read the file? |
| 21:52.02 | jhutchins | axisys: This really isn't isolinux support here. What are you trying to do? |
| 21:52.10 | lcb | i removed laptop keyboard - now i need to remove or blacklist the module. on modprobe --list *kbd* i get 9 modules running. how can i know the one corresponding to the laptop keyboard? |
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| 21:52.23 | anigma | how does a file get its permissions in linux? (in this case, I copy into a directory) |
| 21:52.43 | stew | anigma: 666 - umask |
| 21:53.05 | anigma | ah |
| 21:53.06 | axisys | jhutchins: sorry about that.. do you know of a isolinux channel.. I am trying to install linux using the preseeded content |
| 21:53.11 | jhutchins | anigma: Either the copying program preserves the existing ownership and permissions, or they are assigned via the mask for the directory. |
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| 21:53.33 | jhutchins | axisys: Is it located in the correct folder? |
| 21:53.35 | stew | anigma: jhutchins seems to be assuming you are using linux extended acls |
| 21:53.47 | axisys | jhutchins: it is .. |
| 21:54.01 | jhutchins | axisys: Correct ownership and permissions? |
| 21:54.20 | wolfric | stew: i just did apt-get update |
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| 21:54.32 | axisys | jhutchins: i think so .. |
| 21:54.35 | axisys | jhutchins: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3071 Feb 15 16:14 preseed.cfg |
| 21:54.51 | jhutchins | axisys: Ah, I believe the filename matters. |
| 21:55.11 | wolfric | jhutchins: and i can read that file just fine |
| 21:55.35 | jhutchins | wolfric: pastebin it's contents then. |
| 21:55.39 | wolfric | Apologies for the long delay |
| 21:55.41 | axisys | jhutchins: some more details |
| 21:55.45 | axisys | jhutchins: http://pastebin.com/4f9teuiG |
| 21:56.13 | axisys | jhutchins: so I did put the right file name |
| 21:56.21 | stew | that file should be several megabytes, i'm not sure pastebinning it is really worth the trouble |
| 21:56.24 | axisys | jhutchins: append preseed/file=/cdrom/preseed.cfg initrd=/install/initrd.gz -- console=ttyS0,9600n8 |
| 21:56.42 | axisys | jhutchins: append works .. cuz I get the output in my ttyS0 |
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| 21:56.51 | jhutchins | axisys: Ok, so it's just not reading the preseed.cfg file, right? |
| 21:57.00 | axisys | jhutchins: correct! |
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| 21:57.24 | axisys | jhutchins: i can install file.. so it reads the initrd.gz as well.. |
| 21:57.26 | jhutchins | axisys: Sorry then, my very limited expertise ends at the isolinux.cfg file. |
| 21:57.30 | axisys | s/file/fine/ |
| 21:57.45 | stew | wolfric: apt-get update is the command that gives that error? |
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| 21:58.09 | axisys | jhutchins: would you know of a irc channel that discusses isolinux or some mailing list.. i have been trying to fig it out for a day.. but not sure where i can ask |
| 21:58.28 | jhutchins | axisys: dpkg suggests http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 . |
| 21:58.45 | jhutchins | axisys: I think the problem is not with isolinux. |
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| 21:59.04 | wolfric | jhutchins: it's 32 megs tarred... |
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| 21:59.11 | wolfric | stew: and yes |
| 21:59.15 | axisys | jhutchins: i knew about the first link.. let me read it again.. thanks for the links |
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| 22:00.35 | stew | wolfric: you might try moving it out of the way (like to some other directory) and see if apt-get update replaces it with a good version |
| 22:01.32 | jhutchins | wolfric: Follow stew, I'm striking out today. |
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| 22:02.43 | flock-_ | what's the command to see the size/space left on hd? |
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| 22:02.58 | wolfric | jhutchins: thanks |
| 22:03.10 | stew | flock-_: df |
| 22:03.10 | wolfric | stew: tried that... it starts downloading and then spouts out the same error |
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| 22:03.27 | stew | wolfric: i'd try a different mirror then |
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| 22:04.00 | solars | guys I need your help, does anyone know how I can solve this for mplayer: relocation error: mplayer: symbol codec_wav_tags, version LIBAVFORMAT_52 not defined in file libavformat.so.52 with link time reference - apparently it works with the deb multimedia version but I have no idea how to isntall it |
| 22:04.22 | wolfric | stew: will do brb |
| 22:04.38 | stew | wolfric: check the permissions on the directory and the file |
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| 22:05.30 | wolfric | stew: tell me... if you have 2 sources that are the same but in different countries.. does it try download from 2 different places at once? |
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| 22:06.00 | stew | wolfric: apt-get update will, packages themselves won't be unless they are from different suites or different components |
| 22:06.07 | wolfric | hmm nvm it saves them in 2 separate locations |
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| 22:09.37 | mentor | I think apt will try to download as many packages at once if it can. |
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| 22:11.10 | stew | mentor: it won't |
| 22:11.16 | mentor | hmmm |
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| 22:11.37 | stew | mentor: if you add a dozen "squeeze - main" sources it won't download a dozen packages at once, just one |
| 22:11.58 | wolfric | http://pastebin.com/bsHcA2kt this was built by someone else. I'm not an expert on source files but shouldn't there be a version name in there like sid or lenny? |
| 22:12.05 | stew | mentor: if you have one for squeeze, one for squeeze-updates, one for somethingelse, it will try to download from each at the same time |
| 22:12.12 | wolfric | They are the only 2 active source lines in the file |
| 22:12.36 | stew | wolfric: yes, one should never use "stable", it should say either lenny or squeeze. which is a good question. what version of libc6 do you have installed? |
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| 22:13.08 | RminFX | How to add PPA in Debian ? |
| 22:13.16 | mentor | stew: It'll probably be dependent on the Release file |
| 22:13.32 | wolfric | stew: how do i tell? |
| 22:13.39 | RminFX | sudo: add-apt-repository: command not found |
| 22:13.44 | Arrowmaster | RminFX: PPAs arent supported in debian |
| 22:13.46 | RminFX | :( |
| 22:14.01 | syn4pse | http://tinyurl.com/4aq2cfj |
| 22:14.07 | syn4pse | 1st link ;) |
| 22:14.25 | RminFX | but i want install Nautilus Elementary |
| 22:14.35 | Arrowmaster | syn4pse: not for me |
| 22:15.00 | wolfric | stew: from dpkg libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13et GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 22:15.06 | RminFX | tinyurl filtered in my count |
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| 22:26.17 | Worf | i broke my grub. initrd system fails to mount root. however, inside the busybox i manage to mount it manually. can i continue init somehow? |
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| 22:29.22 | jimcooncat | Worf, if you have access to the filesystem, why not back it off and reinstall? |
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| 22:30.15 | nvz | Worf: how about fix your grub and reboot |
| 22:30.37 | nvz | Worf: update-grub && grub-install hd0 |
| 22:30.40 | babilen | jimcooncat: a bit drastic, don't you think? |
| 22:30.42 | stew | Worf: try "update-initramfs -k all" |
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| 22:30.56 | stew | it doesn't sound like grub is broken, but the initrd is broken |
| 22:31.01 | jimcooncat | babilen, sorry, sometimes I get carried away |
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| 22:31.11 | nvz | stew: kudos for reading between the lines |
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| 22:32.14 | Worf | well, i seem to have messed things up with btrfs ... i hoped to fix it without screwing with the hardware ... |
| 22:33.12 | Worf | but until i found out the internals of the initrd init i have done so |
| 22:33.25 | Worf | ... shutting down, i need this pc's cdrom now ... |
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| 22:36.03 | aveny | I'm compiling the kernel with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us -sa. Before compiling it applies patches that are in debian/patches |
| 22:36.25 | aveny | do you know how can I create a patch |
| 22:36.41 | aveny | I mean, do you know how |
| 22:36.58 | aveny | can see the final patched code without compiling the kernel? |
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| 22:37.54 | nvz | aveny: with a little help from your eyes and a text editor? |
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| 22:38.08 | _Sam-- | hey ive got the latest amd64 netinst cd and am trying to install.....when it tries to downlaod what it needs from the mirros, in the 4th console it says something like it cant find the proper release on ft.debian.org...squeeze |
| 22:38.22 | _Sam-- | downloaded and burned to cd like two hours ago |
| 22:38.41 | nvz | _Sam--: are you sure it is connected to the internet? |
| 22:39.18 | mentor | aveny: There's usually a patch Makefile target |
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| 22:39.32 | aveny | nvz, yes but I mean, there are a lot of patches and if I want to modify one of these but if I modify it I get errors because it says that the patch is malformed.. is there any specific program that usually one uses in this cases? |
| 22:39.54 | nvz | aveny: patch perhaps... its how you apply patches manually |
| 22:39.54 | mentor | aveny: diff creates a patch, but you probably want quilt |
| 22:39.58 | _Sam-- | nvz: it appeared that way -- that it was connected to the network fine. |
| 22:40.01 | aveny | uhm |
| 22:40.09 | aveny | quilt? |
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| 22:40.14 | _Sam-- | thanks , i will double check. |
| 22:40.18 | aveny | I will check on google |
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| 22:40.32 | nvz | _Sam--: wired network? |
| 22:40.40 | _Sam-- | nvz: yes |
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| 22:40.47 | aveny | and another thing: do you know what's the file where there is written the installation patch order? |
| 22:41.01 | aveny | btw thanks :) |
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| 22:41.53 | shad0w1e | hey is it safe to upgrade lenny to squeeze? |
| 22:42.02 | krion | heartbeat driving me crazy @#@#@#%*! |
| 22:42.10 | tharkun | krion: /topic |
| 22:42.15 | krion | it's safe to try on a dev env firt |
| 22:42.31 | dvs | shad0w1e: if you read the install instructions |
| 22:42.53 | dvs | !tell shad0w1e -about ig |
| 22:42.58 | krion | tharkun: i'm out off topic that's what you point me ? |
| 22:43.02 | nvz | _Sam--: have you tried a different mirror? |
| 22:43.10 | shad0w1e | aha. thanks |
| 22:43.21 | tharkun | krion: no, look at the topic |
| 22:43.26 | dvs | np |
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| 22:44.53 | krion | i did |
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| 22:50.33 | wolfric | under mirroretc.debian.org/debian/dists where is etch? Or is it no longer being supplied? |
| 22:50.46 | wolfric | for exmaple http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/ |
| 22:51.00 | wolfric | is that what's in stable by any chance? |
| 22:51.21 | jhutchins_lt | !etch |
| 22:51.21 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 22:51.58 | jhutchins_lt | wolfric: lenny's oldstable now, which bumps etch to what, fossil? |
| 22:52.23 | peja | Hmm, I have no idea "why" in lenny env path is PATH=/bin:/usr/bin and in squeeze env path is just PATH=/bin . Is it just new feature or bug? ... trying execute system commands via php (suphp). |
| 22:52.50 | wolfric | that's right... squeeze is in stable now isn't it.. |
| 22:53.08 | jhutchins_lt | wolfric: Yep. |
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| 22:53.44 | wolfric | jhutchins_lt: i don't own the server. There's some software on it that might break if we upgrade. Any idea what i'd put in my sources if i need new software then? Anywhere that might still mirror etch? |
| 22:54.17 | jhutchins_lt | !tell wolfric about etch sources.list |
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| 22:54.22 | jhutchins_lt | wolfric: Yes. |
| 22:54.48 | wolfric | thank you sir, most kind |
| 22:54.57 | Chelsea__ | Hmmm... to use the chatfunction in Stackexchange, you need FF 3.6. What would be the right way to just upgrade Iceweasel without dist-upgrading? |
| 22:55.04 | xok_ | hello guys... |
| 22:55.09 | jhutchins_lt | wolfric: It would be great if you could test lenny at least, etch isn't supported for security any more. |
| 22:55.16 | xok_ | I want to install w64codecs on debian lenny... |
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| 22:55.32 | jhutchins_lt | wolfric: lenny was a significant improvement too, and will be supported for a year. |
| 22:55.37 | xok_ | any chances?... debian-multimedia repo has been gone for lenny it seems... |
| 22:55.40 | xok_ | ;-( |
| 22:56.14 | jhutchins_lt | xok_: Send Cedric money and find him a postgresql guru. It's a problem with the database. |
| 22:56.37 | jhutchins_lt | xok_: Or upgrade to squeeze. |
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| 22:56.53 | xok_ | jhutchins_lt: sad to hear that... |
| 22:57.02 | xok_ | I am almost unable to upgrade... |
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| 22:57.18 | xok_ | the server is running months without even restarting... |
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| 22:59.01 | dvs | xok_: why would a server uptime prevent you from upgrading? |
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| 23:00.22 | wolfric | jhutchins_lt: it'll be upgraded soon, It's honestly a disaster i was handed but i just have to keep it online until i've a chance to rebuild the whole network |
| 23:00.35 | jhutchins_lt | xok_: Which means you haven't applied security updates to the kernel... |
| 23:01.03 | jhutchins_lt | wolfric: Get 'er up to date then, good luck. |
| 23:01.05 | wolfric | It's a web server but most of the website will break if i upgrade anything like php or mysql etc |
| 23:01.29 | wolfric | jhutchins_lt: lol oh don't worry. Until then it's in it's very own ==HOSTILE!!!!!== vlan |
| 23:01.44 | jhutchins_lt | wolfric: I inherited one that I that was built when etch was testing, it had etch, testing, and sid all active. |
| 23:01.54 | jhutchins_lt | testing by the time I got it being squeeze. |
| 23:02.14 | jhutchins_lt | I'm still amazed that it ran at all. |
| 23:02.18 | wolfric | lol |
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| 23:26.25 | TREVORDLAEY | DLKHVLD |
| 23:26.26 | TREVORDLAEY | F\BHSD |
| 23:26.36 | TREVORDLAEY | ANYBODY THERE |
| 23:26.44 | TREVORDLAEY | NOW ANSWER |
| 23:26.47 | TREVORDLAEY | NOW |
| 23:26.49 | TREVORDLAEY | NOW |
| 23:26.50 | TREVORDLAEY | MNOW |
| 23:26.51 | TREVORDLAEY | NO |
| 23:26.52 | TREVORDLAEY | WNO |
| 23:26.54 | TREVORDLAEY | NOW |
| 23:26.57 | jhutchins_lt | !ops TREVORDLAEY |
| 23:26.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jhutchins_lt complains about: TREVORDLAEY |
| 23:27.04 | TREVORDLAEY | HEY' |
| 23:27.08 | TREVORDLAEY | sorry |
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| 23:27.18 | RichiH | hmm |
| 23:27.24 | mentor | Where's idoru? |
| 23:27.50 | RichiH | in here |
| 23:27.57 | streuner_ | debhelper didnt work too |
| 23:28.13 | nvz | who is idoru? |
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| 23:28.19 | nvz | is that like the new waldo? |
| 23:28.57 | streuner_ | well, it seems to me debhelper's tolerance is a little bit high |
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| 23:30.49 | Devastator | hey streuner_, how are you? |
| 23:31.12 | streuner_ | thanks :-) |
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| 23:32.01 | Devastator | streuner_ can i pm you? |
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| 23:32.33 | streuner_ | sure :-) |
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| 23:34.24 | sirderigo | hello you very hacktive people |
| 23:34.46 | nvz | meh? |
| 23:34.52 | elraven | hello to you too :) |
| 23:35.04 | sirderigo | i am trying to get working in Debian a Ricoh SP 3200sf |
| 23:35.16 | sirderigo | i need to get it working... ¿can someone help me? |
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| 23:35.33 | sirderigo | the USB ID is Bus 001 Device 020: ID 05ca:0418 Ricoh Co., Ltd |
| 23:35.44 | streuner_ | siderigo: digital camera? |
| 23:36.52 | sirderigo | streuner_: no, this god-damn-thing is a multifunctional printer |
| 23:37.15 | streuner_ | sirderigo: just visit linuxprinting.org |
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| 23:37.41 | sirderigo | streuner_: thanks :) |
| 23:37.50 | sirderigo | *click* |
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| 23:39.49 | sirderigo | god damn its not supported, ¿isnt there something like ndiswrapper? |
| 23:39.49 | sirderigo | for printers i mean |
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| 23:40.59 | streuner_ | sirderigo: would be easier if that printer just support networking too... |
| 23:41.18 | sirderigo | streuner_: it does |
| 23:41.31 | streuner_ | well, why not just use that? |
| 23:41.33 | LemensTS | Hello. I am trying to setup an ntp server. I have a debian server, and a debian client. I am trying to get the time from the debian server, to the debian client. Here is the ntp.conf on both machines and what I have tried: http://pastebin.com/aiHLbuVw |
| 23:41.33 | sirderigo | this printer have a pretty network-connection |
| 23:41.59 | sirderigo | streuner_: i cant find-out the printer IP :-$ |
| 23:42.19 | Aust | I'm running exim4 under debian squeeze, and I'm trying to setup a catchall based on emails sent to a domain, but it is not working. I've tried setting a config such as: *@example.com: catchalluser in /etc/aliases. What am I doing wrong? I've read the docs, and nowhere did they specify anything about domain forwarding. I've also googled around, and there are methods using dsearch inside the routers, but those are no longer supported by exim. |
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| 23:43.46 | nvz | Or sell the damn thing and get the Canon: ImageCLASS MF4350d instead |
| 23:44.03 | nvz | which seems to better support linux and is half the weight |
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| 23:45.24 | Takfin | hello everybody |
| 23:45.36 | Takfin | help please |
| 23:46.06 | Takfin | first, excuse me cause my english is not well |
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| 23:46.21 | Takfin | but i'll try |
| 23:46.38 | nvz | its not your language that is a problem thus far |
| 23:46.46 | nvz | more so |
| 23:46.51 | nvz | that you keep pressing enter |
| 23:46.56 | Takfin | thanks nvs |
| 23:46.56 | nvz | without getting to the point |
| 23:47.04 | Takfin | sorry, nvz |
| 23:47.05 | tharkun | Takfin: state your facts, the expected results and the actual behaviour. |
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| 23:47.15 | Takfin | ok |
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| 23:48.05 | streuner_ | sirderigo: there is nice tool (hp-setup), it auto search for everything, not sure if it works only for HP's |
| 23:48.22 | Takfin | so, i want to know if i can install debian squeeze in graphical ? actuly iam in ubuntu10.10 |
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| 23:48.50 | sirderigo | streuner_: that whould be awesome, i haved a shitty day |
| 23:48.57 | nvz | Takfin: you want to replace Ubuntu with Debian? |
| 23:48.58 | Takfin | do i reboot to install with cd debian, or i can install directly in debian |
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| 23:49.08 | babilen | Takfin: Yes, there is a graphical installer for Debian. |
| 23:49.11 | juniorsa | Hi, I'm looking for a perl package to install using apt, I know it has the file parent.pm in it, can anyone tell me how to find the package name? |
| 23:49.11 | Takfin | nvz>yes |
| 23:49.30 | Takfin | babilen>thanks for answer |
| 23:49.40 | nvz | Takfin: the easiest way would be to use a cd/usb drive and reboot, yes. However there are other ways if need be |
| 23:49.51 | themill | dpkg: tell juniorsa about apt-file |
| 23:50.15 | nvz | Takfin: if you are going to replace Ubuntu, it would probably be best to boot and run the installer. |
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| 23:51.31 | peterrooney | LemensTS: have you checked bug 436029 and de-installed ntpdate? |
| 23:51.58 | Takfin | nvz>ok, i asked for that cause lot of partitions, i don't want make mistakes |
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| 23:52.22 | nvz | Takfin: so you do have other OS on that machine that you want to keep? |
| 23:52.30 | matrix | hey guys im trying live debian |
| 23:52.39 | matrix | has any1 got to install it??? |
| 23:52.41 | nvz | Takfin: are you merely experimenting just to try other OSes? |
| 23:52.54 | Takfin | yes i have winxp and fedora |
| 23:53.28 | Takfin | no i want to install it difinitly |
| 23:53.34 | nvz | Takfin: does this machine have a resonably fast CPU (1ghz or better) and 1gb of ram or more? |
| 23:54.01 | Takfin | yes 2,40 Ghz |
| 23:54.04 | matrix | has any1 installed live debian to hd?? |
| 23:54.12 | Takfin | 4 gb ram |
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| 23:54.24 | nvz | Takfin: having all these OSes on a machine is fairly pointless.. you can run them all simultaneously.. using one good stable OS and running them all inside a virtual machine |
| 23:54.52 | nvz | Takfin: without worrying about data loss or anything, and easily installing any new ones you like |
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| 23:55.30 | Takfin | i had install virtualbox also in winxp, but i want to try it with debian as server |
| 23:55.34 | babilen | matrix: be the first |
| 23:56.09 | nvz | Takfin: I'm just advising you to zoom out your perspective and realize you will eventually screw something up and there is no point in what you are doing |
| 23:56.19 | Takfin | that's why i want to install it difitly |
| 23:56.22 | nvz | Takfin: you cannot run but one host OS at a time |
| 23:56.39 | Takfin | yes i think so |
| 23:57.13 | nvz | Takfin: where as with 4gb of ram, you could install debian as the host, and use virtualbox to run probably easily 5 or more guest OSes simultaneously and start/stop countless others when you want |
| 23:57.57 | Takfin | nvz>that's exactly what i want to make |
| 23:58.26 | nvz | Takfin: do you have a fast wired network connection available? |
| 23:58.27 | lassiethebrave | This is new to me, installing grub (from squeeze d-i) just made a laptop not boot... I get "Failed to boot from Hardrive <long name of drive>" on this thoshiba satellite c660. I'm fairly certain this is not a hardware issue (since I can use the "rescue mode" on the cd.). Help please? |
| 23:58.49 | Takfin | yes i think it's correct |
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| 23:59.06 | Takfin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.31 | nvz | Takfin: the quickest and easiest way is with a USB thumbdrive, but if you have a CD and don't mind wasting it for this highly temporary use, then that will work as well |
| 23:59.33 | MindWarper | how do i make a image of a winxp for use in virtualbox ? |
| 23:59.43 | jhutchins_lt | Takfin: THere is debbootstrap, available in ubuntu, that will install a minimal debian on a target directory (partition), which you can then use to build a full install. |
| 23:59.55 | nvz | Takfin: ubuntu should have "unetbootin" which can load the debian installer onto a thumbdrive |
