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| 00:01.56 | Takfin | yes i tried , i think you guess my problems nvz |
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| 00:02.33 | Takfin | but i can not , it's my second problem unfortunely |
| 00:02.44 | nvz | Takfin: no, but I think you're going to tell me what part of the process you are having trouble with if you need help |
| 00:02.46 | jhutchins_lt | Takfin: debootstrap I think... |
| 00:02.51 | Takfin | i am trying to explain you |
| 00:02.52 | jhutchins_lt | !debootstrap |
| 00:02.52 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
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| 00:03.20 | Quex | ok |
| 00:03.26 | Takfin | actualy i want to install that in my laptop |
| 00:03.32 | Quex | whoas goin on? |
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| 00:03.46 | Quex | yoo conversatin to me? |
| 00:03.48 | Quex | yes |
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| 00:03.58 | Quex | no? |
| 00:04.01 | Quex | go it |
| 00:04.19 | Quex | me making yoo famous |
| 00:04.23 | jhutchins_lt | Quex: This is a technical support channel, not a social channel. |
| 00:04.24 | Quex | ok? |
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| 00:04.47 | Takfin | nvz>i tried to boot with usb but and i forgot my bios password |
| 00:04.47 | jhutchins_lt | quuxman: /join debian-social |
| 00:05.05 | nvz | Takfin: ah.. that is a rub.. can you still boot from CD or are you looking for a way to solve the bios issue? |
| 00:05.18 | Takfin | i think as you tald it's easier for me |
| 00:05.57 | nvz | Takfin: debootstrap is another way to go.. you can do that from within ubuntu. However if it were me, I'd get that password issue resolved |
| 00:06.27 | Takfin | yes it's my 2nd problem , cause i want to unlock psw bios |
| 00:06.51 | Takfin | that's why i can not change anything in my bios |
| 00:06.54 | nvz | Takfin: I'm wondering if a flash utility would do the trick |
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| 00:09.19 | babilen | nvz: FYI -- You can just "cat foo.iso > /dev/sdX" with the squeeze isos. Absolutely no need for unetbootin. |
| 00:09.44 | Takfin | sincerly, i tried manything , i tested withdrawn battery, but it deosn't work , the problem remained nevertheless |
| 00:09.53 | aef | hi, my root partition (10GiB) seems to be full but i can't find the source of the high capacity consumption. the only strange thing I recognized was that /proc is 9GiB big according to baobab |
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| 00:10.29 | aef | can a filesystem be corrupted in such a way that it seems to be full but isn't? |
| 00:10.29 | tharkun | aef: du -ckh should help you |
| 00:10.36 | tharkun | yes |
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| 00:11.15 | aleray | Hi, fontforge is not build with the python flag in deb repositories. How can I build it myself and install it with the python flag? |
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| 00:12.04 | aef | tharkun: one problem is, that parts of the standard hierarchy are not on the root partion, is there a way to use du while ignoring everything mounted to other partitions? |
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| 00:12.59 | tharkun | aef: man du will tell you exactly that. But you can start by using it on parts of the / partition only |
| 00:13.53 | Takfin | nvz>i m testing with update of the bios directly of dell site , same not work |
| 00:14.50 | Takfin | nvz>so , i don't know what's the solution! what do you think? |
| 00:15.44 | nvz | Takfin: well I KNOW how to solve it.. but I'm not going to explain to you how to go to your local electronics store and build a device to manually override that if we can't find a fairly simple approach |
| 00:16.13 | nvz | Takfin: the question is, can you still boot from CD? |
| 00:16.21 | Takfin | yes i can |
| 00:16.33 | peterrooney | aleray: have you checked apt-src? |
| 00:16.46 | nvz | Takfin: well there is a utilitiy that can find your BIOS password.. I think it was on the Spotmau Powersuite disk |
| 00:17.00 | stew | aleray: there is a python-fontforge package |
| 00:17.04 | nvz | how exactly it works, IDK.. but I have used it, and it does work.. |
| 00:17.15 | aleray | peterrooney, no. I've done apt-get source I pulled the sources. But I don't know where to change the flag |
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| 00:17.23 | aleray | stew, oh nice! |
| 00:17.55 | stew | aleray: in fact, it comes from the fontforge source package, so I assume that is what you are looking for |
| 00:18.06 | aleray | stew that solves my problem I guess! |
| 00:18.26 | Takfin | <nvz>Spotmau Powersuite disk? |
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| 00:19.30 | stew | aef: note that /proc isn't a real filesystem, its a view of the running kernel, its not actually stored on any media |
| 00:19.47 | aef | tharkun: well, it seems the space consumption is 150516 KiB, which is not really 10 GiB |
| 00:20.01 | nvz | Takfin: that is one thing I used to have that I know can do it. Its a commercial software that runs from CD and does all sorts of things. |
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| 00:20.45 | Takfin | ok, did you try it? |
| 00:20.50 | tharkun | aef: reboot your computer and see if the problem gets solved. if it is the /proc then you should be ok. Please DO NOT take my word for it. |
| 00:20.54 | nvz | Takfin: for right now if you are able to, burning a Debian CD or doing a debootstrap should get debian installed for you.. but as for the BIOS issue I will need to do some googling and see if I can find something |
| 00:21.13 | nvz | Takfin: yes, I've used that software to detect BIOS passwords before |
| 00:21.14 | stew | reboot? what is this, windows? |
| 00:21.58 | stew | aef: can you put the output of "df" into a pastebin so we can see exactly what you are talking about? |
| 00:22.47 | Takfin | <nvz> i am able now, to unlockbios before |
| 00:23.05 | aef | stew: http://pastie.org/1568722 |
| 00:23.46 | stew | aef: ok, so yes, you have no available space in /, you are trying to figure out how to find out where it is going? or what? |
| 00:23.55 | robert_ | so what's the deal with clang staying at version 1.1? |
| 00:24.09 | stew | aef: (its probably being eaten up in /tmp) |
| 00:24.36 | Takfin | <nvz>if you have for few time, i install debian and wainting your answer, what do you think? |
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| 00:24.58 | aef | stew: exactly. i ran baobab, a disk space analyser and there was nothing taking up that much space other than /proc, which shouldn't require any space normally. |
| 00:25.12 | stew | aef: i'd recommend "du -kx / | sort -n" which will show you the largest files at the end of the list |
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| 00:26.16 | stew | aef: i'd also check to see if there are big files that are deleted but still open, which will continue to take up disk space until they are closed, for this: "lsof | grep -i deleted" |
| 00:26.41 | Takfin | nvz>Spotmau Powersuite disk, is it the name of the utility? |
| 00:27.05 | aef | stew: the du -kx show nothing special, but nice to know there is the -x option on du. |
| 00:27.10 | nvz | Takfin: yes its called Spotmau Powersuite, its a commercial CD full of utilities for about US$39 |
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| 00:27.56 | stew | aef: what did you mean by this: "well, it seems the space consumption is 150516 KiB, which is not really 10 GiB". ? |
| 00:27.56 | Takfin | ok |
| 00:28.15 | stew | aef: (150516 KiB is a very small fraction of 10 GiB) |
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| 00:28.27 | nvz | Takfin: I'm searching for alternatives.. but I have used this utility to find BIOS passwords before |
| 00:28.35 | aef | stew: du shows me the 150516 KiB. df shows me 10GiB consumed |
| 00:28.45 | Takfin | i tried also CmosPwd, neither |
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| 00:29.01 | nvz | Takfin: BIOS are rumored to have "backdoor passwords" installed for recovery.. I don't know how true that is as I've never tested it |
| 00:29.36 | aef | stew: about the lsof output, which column is the consumption? |
| 00:29.51 | nvz | Takfin: CmosPwd did not work? |
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| 00:30.23 | aef | stew: i guess i know it already |
| 00:30.36 | aef | stew: there's a file called dead.letter opened by sendmail |
| 00:30.48 | Takfin | yes it's utility i've tried but it doesn't work, i mean doesn't resolve the problem |
| 00:30.49 | aef | stew: with a big number |
| 00:31.44 | stew | aef: the "SIZE/OFF" colunn is size, which is the 7th column |
| 00:32.00 | stew | aef: are you sure about "150516 KiB" ? |
| 00:32.29 | aef | stew: 9877608085 on column 7 for /root/dead.letter opened by sendmail |
| 00:32.48 | aef | stew: that's my file. but what the heck is this? |
| 00:32.51 | Takfin | nvz>have you find the link for the utility? |
| 00:33.56 | nvz | Takfin: is this a dell dimension desktop? |
| 00:34.13 | stew | aef: it's an unsent email |
| 00:34.28 | Takfin | nvz>this one "http://support.euro.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/latd630/en/SM_EN/coincell.htm#wp1113924 |
| 00:34.57 | nvz | Takfin: a latitude then? |
| 00:34.59 | stew | dpkg: convert 9877608085 bytes to mebibytes |
| 00:35.00 | dpkg | 9877608085 bytes is approximately 9420.02 mebibytes |
| 00:35.06 | Takfin | yes it is |
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| 00:35.51 | robert_ | apt won't upgrade clang to 2.x.x; what gives? |
| 00:36.09 | stew | judd: versions clang |
| 00:36.12 | judd | Package clang on i386 -- sid: 2.7-3; squeeze: 2.7-3; wheezy: 2.7-3 |
| 00:36.31 | stew | robert_: what version of debian are you running? |
| 00:36.33 | robert_ | clang version 1.1 (Debian 2.7-3) |
| 00:36.44 | nvz | Takfin: do you still have your service tag? |
| 00:37.00 | Takfin | i had number |
| 00:37.28 | stew | robert_: so you are saying that you have the 2.7-3 clang package from debian, but you are looking for a newer one? |
| 00:37.42 | nvz | Takfin: its usually on a white sticker on the machine that says Service Tag.. do you have it? |
| 00:37.57 | robert_ | clang is up at like 2.8 or something. |
| 00:38.03 | robert_ | and yet you guys have version 1.1 |
| 00:38.11 | robert_ | which is crash-y for me. |
| 00:38.22 | stew | robert_: are you sure we don't have version 2.7? |
| 00:38.56 | robert_ | if you have it, then apt is refusing to find/upgrade 2.7 |
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| 00:39.22 | themill | robert_: perhaps you need to double check the line you pasted earlier |
| 00:40.01 | stew | robert_: what does "apt-cache policy clang" show for "Installed:"? |
| 00:40.36 | robert_ | 2.7.3 for "Installed:" |
| 00:40.37 | robert_ | brb. |
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| 00:40.52 | Takfin | i don't know what it means , sorry but i've number "ownership Tag "and number of "Asset Tag" |
| 00:40.54 | Trae32566 | hey, anyone ever seen this? |
| 00:40.58 | Trae32566 | : Failed to fetch http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/testing/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz Something wicked happened resolving 'www.debian-multimedia.org:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname) |
| 00:41.12 | Trae32566 | freakin weird...never seen it |
| 00:41.29 | nvz | Takfin: it should be a 5 letter code.. on the "service tag" but idk.. |
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| 00:42.05 | intok | How do I move from squeeze to wheezy? Is it as simple as checking the source box for squeeze proposed? |
| 00:42.39 | nvz | dpkg, tell intok -about Squeeze->Wheezy |
| 00:43.00 | robert_ | back |
| 00:43.04 | robert_ | sorry, food came. |
| 00:43.06 | Trae32566 | lol |
| 00:43.12 | Trae32566 | food ftw |
| 00:43.21 | robert_ | Trae32566: Olive garden. :D |
| 00:43.23 | streuner_ | Pizza |
| 00:43.29 | Trae32566 | mmm... |
| 00:43.35 | nvz | well thats not really an upgrade proceedure.. but I do agree with it |
| 00:43.44 | robert_ | it's the latest packge version, but It's NOT the latest version of clang. |
| 00:43.50 | Trae32566 | @robert: check my message above...it's weird |
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| 00:43.58 | streuner_ | robert_: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 00:44.08 | stew | robert_: no, ignore ssb, its not going tohelp you |
| 00:44.24 | streuner_ | robert_: and just use the source to make your own package |
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| 00:44.35 | stew | robert_: you have the latest version that has been uploaded to debian. a new version of clang was released recently but it hasn't been uploaded to debian yet |
| 00:44.36 | themill | robert_: it was the latest version of clang (2.7) when squeeze was frozen; there was a newer version released about 4 months ago. |
| 00:44.58 | Takfin | Asset Tag: 46letters and ownership Tag: 4 letters and system number 11 letters |
| 00:45.07 | streuner_ | dpkg, info clang |
| 00:45.16 | Trae32566 | #flood |
| 00:45.20 | Trae32566 | lol |
| 00:45.20 | Takfin | sorry asset Tag : 6 letters |
| 00:45.33 | dpkg | clang: (Low-Level Virtual Machine (LLVM), C language family frontend), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.7-3 (sid), Packaged size: 6755 kB, Installed size: 16040 kB |
| 00:45.47 | themill | ,versions clang --arch amd64 |
| 00:45.47 | judd | Package clang on amd64 -- sid: 2.7-3; squeeze: 2.7-3; wheezy: 2.7-3; experimental: 2.8-1 |
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| 00:45.59 | streuner_ | doesnt sound trivial to me in order to make his own package |
| 00:46.01 | themill | (yay for experimental buildds not keeping up) |
| 00:46.02 | robert_ | ah. experimental. |
| 00:46.11 | streuner_ | yes |
| 00:46.40 | streuner_ | robert_: are you sure you need the latest version? |
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| 00:46.48 | themill | BD-Uninstallable? hmm |
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| 00:47.14 | Takfin | <nvz>are you there? |
| 00:47.15 | robert_ | streuner_: I got clang to segfault with some code I'm writing, lol. |
| 00:47.29 | nvz | Takfin: either way, dell should be able to solve this problem... |
| 00:47.29 | stew | robert_: has the bug been reported? |
| 00:47.36 | streuner_ | uh, good luck with experimental packages then :-P |
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| 00:47.53 | nvz | Takfin: I just thought I may be able to lookup your bios master reset by service tag.. but if you don't have a service tag then IDK |
| 00:48.10 | nutron | hmm firefox-bin seems to do a lot of disk writes even though I've told it not to use on-disk cache. Anyone know what I can do lower the demand on io when running on a multi-user system? |
| 00:48.18 | robert_ | stew: I've used newer releases, and it seems to have been fixed. |
| 00:48.26 | Takfin | IDK? |
| 00:48.39 | Takfin | you don't know? |
| 00:48.41 | streuner_ | dpkg, idk |
| 00:48.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, idk is I don't know... Do you? |
| 00:49.28 | nvz | Takfin: there is always a way to reset the password, but with Dell's it varies greately from one machine to the next, just how that is done. The people to ask would be Dell tech support |
| 00:49.51 | stew | yeah, it looks like clang in experimental build-deps on not yet existant llvm-2.8 libs |
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| 00:50.35 | Trae32566 | hmm. looks like I got it, some reason deb dropped my internet? odd |
| 00:50.37 | Takfin | i see |
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| 00:51.02 | Trae32566 | what's really odd, it's in a VM, so it has a constant connection |
| 00:51.08 | Trae32566 | no hardware to have issues with really |
| 00:51.18 | Trae32566 | restart fixed it |
| 00:51.35 | nutron | my io is pegged and causing nothing but grief with users who have their homes mounted on an nfs server. seems that writes are being cached, then flushed to disk by pdflush which then causes the io to hang nfs.. (or the workstations with gnome running on top of these home shares). Anyone know what I can do to nfs to ensure these flushes don't lag out everyone? |
| 00:52.00 | Takfin | so you think it's possible to resolve the probleme right now ? |
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| 00:53.37 | nvz | Takfin: by calling Dell tech support for the BIOS issue, or either burning a debian installer CD or using debootstrap to solve the installing debian problem |
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| 00:54.14 | Trae32566 | wait, what's the BIOS issue exactly |
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| 00:55.58 | streuner_ | stew: [2011-02-14] Accepted 2.8-1 in experimental (low) (Sylvestre Ledru) |
| 00:56.18 | robert_ | sweet. |
| 00:56.22 | robert_ | testing is my tag. |
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| 00:59.19 | nvz | Trae32566: lost BIOS password |
| 00:59.29 | Trae32566 | oh shiz.. |
| 00:59.34 | Trae32566 | reset BIOS... |
| 00:59.37 | Trae32566 | it's the only way |
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| 00:59.51 | Trae32566 | hard reset; either remove CMOS for 10 sec, or move jumpers |
| 00:59.55 | Takfin | sorry nvz, what's debootstrap? it this one "debian-6.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso" |
| 00:59.57 | nvz | Trae32566: there are many ways.. but with a Dell they never kept it consistant. |
| 01:00.11 | Trae32566 | removing CMOS always does it |
| 01:00.14 | Trae32566 | no matter what |
| 01:00.22 | sjs205_ | Is there a standard firewall included by default with debian? |
| 01:00.32 | Trae32566 | it works on anything from a 486 to an i7, to servers. |
| 01:00.38 | nvz | Takfin: debootstrap is a utility that will install from within another OS.. that ISO image you have will work though if you burn it to CD. I think it will be easier than debootstrap |
| 01:00.54 | Takfin | <Trae32566>i triend tha unfortunely it didn't work |
| 01:01.13 | Trae32566 | you make sure you left it out for 10~15 seconds, and unplugged power? |
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| 01:01.47 | nvz | Takfin: does your IRC client automatically put the <> around someone's name? |
| 01:02.05 | Takfin | no sorry |
| 01:02.11 | sjs205_ | Anyone got any hints for getting NFS server working on debian system? tried just about everything... |
| 01:02.32 | dondelelcaro | sjs205_: install nfs-kernel-server, set up /etc/exports, and reload the kernel server. That's it |
| 01:02.48 | sjs205_ | dondelelcaro, I wish that was it! |
| 01:03.01 | dondelelcaro | sjs205_: it is just that simple; I've got lots of them... |
| 01:03.24 | nvz | Takfin: its quite alright.. I just do not get highlights for my nick when its in <> cause I have very strict highlighting due to the fact my nick is small and there are applications like openvz which would trigger a more sensitive highlight |
| 01:03.32 | sjs205_ | Done all that but I keep getting and "Looking up port of RPC 100003/2 on 192.168.5.20 |
| 01:03.32 | sjs205_ | rpcbind: server 192.168.5.20 not responding, timed out |
| 01:03.32 | sjs205_ | " |
| 01:03.47 | dondelelcaro | sjs205_: you don't have portmap listening on an external ip |
| 01:03.59 | sjs205_ | ahh... that sounds interesting! |
| 01:04.05 | dondelelcaro | sjs205_: edit /etc/default/portmap accordingly |
| 01:04.19 | Takfin | nvz>can you guive me link of deboostrap tutorial please? |
| 01:05.04 | sjs205_ | dondelelcaro, That looks promising... All of the NFS pages i've looked at have never mentioned it.,.. |
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| 01:05.23 | nvz | Takfin: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/426 or http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&sqi=2&ved=0CCoQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.debian.org%2FDebootstrap&rct=j&q=debian%20debootstrap%20howto&ei=pCJbTbuQKsH78Aa6yuzjDQ&usg=AFQjCNErPDZaGdXb4PlXHCTiBPbbNE7Rlg&cad=rja |
| 01:05.27 | dondelelcaro | sjs205_: well, you need portmap to map rpc interfaces to ports |
| 01:05.33 | nvz | ugh.. my bad.. |
| 01:05.59 | sjs205_ | dondelelcaro, ok... let me have a look... |
| 01:06.03 | nvz | Takfin: http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap -or- http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/426 |
| 01:06.17 | nvz | I should know better than trying to copy links right from google |
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| 01:07.38 | tekzilla | anyone who used teamspeak3 with PulseAudio and had to resolve choppy mic input ? |
| 01:08.21 | nvz | Has anyone ever used pulseaudio and thought, wow, this is cool, without thinking, wow, does this shit ever work? |
| 01:08.22 | Takfin | nvz>tell me, if i understood, deboostrap is using for graphical os, is it? |
| 01:09.02 | mentor | nvz: Yes? |
| 01:09.05 | nvz | Takfin: debootstrap runs from your existing OS, it has nothing to do with graphics really.. its just a utility to install debian onto a partition from an existing OS |
| 01:09.23 | lessthanzero | How does one go about creating an overflow server - ie. if someone connects and the server is overloaded - I redirect them to a different server. Is this a serverside os, or more of an app solution (DNS/BIND, Apache etc?) |
| 01:09.27 | nvz | mentor: I'm just saying PulseAudio rarely does anything but cause problems |
| 01:09.34 | tekzilla | nvz: lol i like it for everything else, only TS is bugging |
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| 01:10.20 | nvz | tekzilla: I first tried it just cause I wanted to use my headphones without sitting behind my computer or buying an extension cable.. heh.. I had a netbook, so I figured.. wth.. |
| 01:10.23 | mentor | nvz: I may have been expressing a counter statement? |
| 01:10.34 | nvz | mentor: appears so |
| 01:10.53 | Takfin | ok |
| 01:11.09 | Takfin | i think it's so easier with this one |
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| 01:12.37 | Takfin | especialy if we 've slow connexion |
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| 01:13.22 | nvz | Takfin: go for it.. just read the documentation |
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| 01:16.02 | no_maam | hi |
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| 01:16.11 | no_maam | I have a very strange problem, I am trying to install squeeze on amd64 |
| 01:16.19 | no_maam | in the boot menue, the keyboard still works |
| 01:16.29 | no_maam | after I bootet the installer or the graphical installer, the keyboard is looked up |
| 01:16.36 | no_maam | I cannot even use numlock anymore |
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| 01:16.48 | Noah0504 | no_maam: USB or PS/2 keyboard? |
| 01:16.52 | no_maam | Noah0504: usb |
| 01:16.57 | nvz | duh |
| 01:17.02 | no_maam | Noah0504: standard cherry keyboard, very common |
| 01:17.09 | no_maam | Noah0504: connected to a usb2.0 port |
| 01:17.24 | Takfin | nvz>ok i thank you very mutch for you help |
| 01:17.27 | Noah0504 | no_maam: Do you have the option to connect a PS/2 keyboard? |
| 01:17.31 | nvz | generally when people talk about something being standard, they say vanilla, not cherry.. heh |
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| 01:18.26 | no_maam | Noah0504: yes, let me try |
| 01:18.38 | Noah0504 | no_maam: Okay, let me know. |
| 01:19.01 | no_maam | Noah0504: works |
| 01:19.03 | no_maam | Noah0504: strange |
| 01:19.31 | Noah0504 | Yeah, I run into that a lot. Not sure what it is. However, it should work once it is installed. |
| 01:19.38 | Noah0504 | So, you'll just have to use it for the install. |
| 01:19.58 | Noah0504 | And then you should be good to go after that! |
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| 01:20.52 | neur0n | \_ay_: sg\ |
| 01:20.56 | neur0n | hey |
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| 01:21.55 | Takfin | nvz>debootstrap works only if we have same os or same ditribution? |
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| 01:24.28 | nvz | Takfin: thats irrelevant. it will install whatever you configure it to install |
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| 01:24.59 | holoseen | Can Lenny kernel be upgraded to read ext4? I can't upgrade to Squeeze because of video issues... |
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| 01:26.31 | nvz | holoseen: you can always upgrade a kernel.. but filesystem support is often about more than kernel support |
| 01:26.31 | abrotman | holoseen: use the kernel at backports.org |
| 01:26.41 | Takfin | nvz>ok thanks, but i already started with cd |
| 01:26.47 | nvz | you would still I assume need to be able to fsck it and such |
| 01:26.52 | abrotman | though, why do you really need ext4 ? |
| 01:27.15 | holoseen | ext4 more a convenience since other boxes use it. |
| 01:27.31 | holoseen | want to be consistent. |
| 01:27.37 | nvz | except the one you want to use it on.. real convenient |
| 01:27.39 | twinkie_addict | i had prblems with iso from the link on the uper right on the main debian site the x86/amd64-netinstall.iso it didnt pull down all the files for the gui destop andi had to get the 186 meg x86 netinstall disk to get a proper installl |
| 01:27.49 | ssacc | hey, i'm trying to run a javascript based wiki (TiddlyWiki) which needs to store it's own data via JavaScript, it works just fine with Firefox, but when i use Konqueror or Arora, it won't work, is this behaviour changeable? |
| 01:28.06 | Takfin | but i's good to knowing |
| 01:28.08 | holoseen | multiple boxes run ext4 so one does not. |
| 01:28.21 | nvz | sounds like a dumb move to me.. I for one have no intention of using it.. all the limits of ext2/3 are not limits I am anywhere near reaching |
| 01:28.46 | holoseen | ext4 is dumb move? |
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| 01:29.10 | nvz | anything done without need is pretty dumb |
| 01:29.17 | twinkie_addict | i prefer ext3 to ext4 anyway handle power outaage based impropershutdows better |
| 01:29.47 | nvz | twinkie_addict: especially considering he wants to use it on a system that cannot fsck it or anything.. |
| 01:29.55 | nvz | cause all he asked about was kernel support for it |
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| 01:30.07 | twinkie_addict | and ext3 is rock sollid |
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| 01:30.32 | holoseen | well, right now I have about 200GB on a usb drive in ext3 format I need to put on the other system. would be nice to copy it over via usb plug. |
| 01:30.41 | nvz | there are people who try new stuff just because everyone else is doing it, and then there are debian users |
| 01:30.48 | twinkie_addict | if i want to take it to experimental way i go with xfs |
| 01:31.04 | streuner_ | try JFS |
| 01:31.14 | twinkie_addict | havnt used jfs |
| 01:31.43 | nvz | Moving 200GB over USB is known to cause old age |
| 01:31.44 | Trae32566 | lol |
| 01:31.47 | Trae32566 | I wanna try HAMMER |
| 01:31.48 | Trae32566 | :P |
| 01:32.09 | twinkie_addict | hammer is great |
| 01:32.19 | Trae32566 | how's it compare to EXT4 |
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| 01:32.25 | twinkie_addict | but dragonflybsdf hated my netbook |
| 01:33.04 | streuner_ | no idea :-) |
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| 01:33.13 | twinkie_addict | supperior ufs2 is on par with ext4 |
| 01:33.22 | streuner_ | ext2 was really bad at powerouttages |
| 01:33.34 | twinkie_addict | yes |
| 01:33.42 | twinkie_addict | thats what ext3 is for |
| 01:33.53 | streuner_ | and XFS made a real good job, but sometimes (kernel upgrade) it looses everything |
| 01:33.55 | Trae32566 | it's also what a UPS is for lol |
| 01:34.01 | javagamer | I'm doing an aptitude dist-upgrade, but my connection is acting up, is there any way to cancel or pause it? |
| 01:34.02 | twinkie_addict | handals poweroutages well |
| 01:34.09 | Trae32566 | anyone tried anything with BTRFS? |
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| 01:34.17 | Trae32566 | I tried it, had huge issues with writing Lol |
| 01:34.19 | twinkie_addict | i have |
| 01:34.48 | twinkie_addict | btrfs is very fast but to exerimental yet for me |
| 01:34.49 | streuner_ | dpkg, start a FS war |
| 01:34.49 | dpkg | Who needs a file system? Use orthogonal persistency! |
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| 01:35.38 | streuner_ | twinkie_addict: most people have there own experiences... |
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| 01:35.46 | twinkie_addict | true |
| 01:35.57 | streuner_ | and FS in Linux are sometimes a nightmare |
| 01:35.57 | abrotman | javagamer: which step is it on? |
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| 01:37.04 | twinkie_addict | i realy like squeeeze as long i dont get a shitty mirror durring install lol |
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| 01:37.42 | twinkie_addict | i run in cli any way gpm works better with my touchpad than synaptics |
| 01:38.04 | twinkie_addict | and i love the big fonts |
| 01:38.09 | yanger | i'm being a n00b i'm sure, but trying debian gnu/kfreebsd x86 on my virtualbox - off the dvd iso, it installed fine, but after that trying to log in it hangs at the login screen.. |
| 01:38.23 | twinkie_addict | i dont see well so i like that |
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| 01:38.47 | abrotman | yanger: there's a kfreebsd channel on irc.oftc.net that owuld probably be more knowledgeable |
| 01:39.04 | yanger | ahh.. i thought so. just didn't know the server |
| 01:39.13 | twinkie_addict | yanger check your video driver |
| 01:39.39 | twinkie_addict | if you have an intell card its terrable in freebsd |
| 01:39.45 | twinkie_addict | use vsa |
| 01:39.47 | yanger | virtualbox |
| 01:39.51 | twinkie_addict | vesa |
| 01:40.11 | Takfin | nvz>hey my new friend, sorry i am asking for security of my docs, if it's better to have ext3 or ext4, what do you think about ext4? |
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| 01:42.55 | Trae32566 | @Tafkin: EXT4 |
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| 01:43.28 | Trae32566 | Although if you need to access from inside windows, EXT3 |
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| 01:46.01 | javagamer | abrotman, it's downloading packages (sorry for the slow response) |
| 01:46.06 | dsockwell | so I just installed 6.0.0, and opted for a CD-only distribution because I need to install firmware for my network cards. I fixed the firmware issue, and am trying to configure apt, and I see: |
| 01:46.13 | dsockwell | E: Method /usr/lib/apt/methods/ did not start correctly |
| 01:46.37 | dsockwell | from looking through various sources I intuit that I'm supposed to specify a method |
| 01:46.47 | dsockwell | or something |
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| 01:46.54 | dsockwell | how do I specify a method? |
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| 01:47.32 | dsockwell | never mind |
| 01:47.51 | dsockwell | i see it's part of the syntax of sources.list that the installer left out |
| 01:48.34 | dsockwell | thanks guys, i wouldn't have figured it out without you |
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| 01:49.20 | Takfin | nvz>are you there? |
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| 01:52.27 | Takfin | dsockwell>hi, where is nvz? |
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| 01:53.58 | dsockwell | Takfin: i don't know who that is, i'm sorry. |
| 01:54.20 | ScottG | What's better, links or lynx? |
| 01:54.34 | twinkie_addict | i like lynx |
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| 01:54.53 | twinkie_addict | lets you chose wheather to accept cookies |
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| 01:55.10 | jelly-home | ScottG: elinks! |
| 01:55.16 | jelly-home | w3m? |
| 01:55.17 | Takfin | <dsockwell>no problem, thank you |
| 01:55.23 | twinkie_addict | wich is important if you want to check your emain onlie |
| 01:55.27 | ScottG | jelly-home: Which one and why? |
| 01:55.41 | twinkie_addict | w3m is cool |
| 01:55.44 | twinkie_addict | to |
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| 01:56.06 | jelly-home | ScottG: links2 has better overall featureset; elinks has a bit better encodings support |
| 01:56.14 | twinkie_addict | but i still prefer lynx |
| 01:56.27 | jelly-home | w3m has... keybindings I don't like |
| 01:56.38 | twinkie_addict | agreed |
| 01:56.54 | jelly-home | lynx is old and still doesn't render tables correctly |
| 01:56.55 | twinkie_addict | its a tad odd to use |
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| 01:57.48 | twinkie_addict | i need lynx though i use online email and i hate the clibased email clients |
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| 01:58.20 | sjs205_ | should dpkg-reconfigure portmap add anything to vim /etc/default/portmap |
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| 01:58.59 | jelly-home | I'd take mutt -f imap:// over any terminal-based browser any day of the wekk |
| 01:59.00 | twinkie_addict | i dont know of a good cli email client that isnt a pain in the a** to setup |
| 01:59.01 | richo | I'm considering hosing my current sid laptop and install kfreebsd/i386 on it. It's a pretty old laptop (pentium M, 1.3 ghz), what's performance like? |
| 01:59.03 | jelly-home | week, too |
| 01:59.19 | richo | mutt isn't too bad |
| 01:59.53 | jelly-home | if the initial setup means "oh you need to setup a MTA as well"... |
| 02:00.02 | MrFrood | I use lynx for gopher, elinks for general browsing and alpine for email |
| 02:00.05 | anisfarhana | i failed blocking the youtube using iptables! |
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| 02:00.36 | twinkie_addict | i have heard good things aboud alpine how is it ? |
| 02:00.36 | richo | jelly-home: not any more |
| 02:01.07 | jelly-home | richo: I know, but set smtp_url= is a recent development |
| 02:01.30 | MrFrood | twinkie_addict: rock solid, I've been using pine/alpine for over a decade |
| 02:02.40 | richo | jelly-home: yep, yay progress? |
| 02:02.45 | twinkie_addict | to be honnest though i love ny cli settup :) lynx tmux mc gpm weechat moc greed and ninvaders |
| 02:03.03 | twinkie_addict | nano for editor |
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| 02:03.11 | MrFrood | it's threading for lists/news groups is outstanding but you will want to spend some time with the config |
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| 02:03.46 | twinkie_addict | i will look into it |
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| 02:04.43 | MrFrood | twinkie_addict: I prefer vim for the editor but alpines default is nano |
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| 02:05.16 | MrFrood | twinkie_addict: and I prefer dvtm running inside gnu screen to tmux |
| 02:05.37 | twinkie_addict | i never could get vim i kinda hate it lol if i need the heavy lifting i go emacs i uderstzand it at least |
| 02:06.09 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic |
| 02:06.36 | twinkie_addict | sorry |
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| 02:07.31 | MrFrood | twinkie_addict: without wishing to restart the editors wars I don't think vim can be compaired to em,acs size wise (and nvi is even lighter) |
| 02:08.06 | richo | Anyone got experience wth kfreebsd performance or know where I should ask? |
| 02:08.24 | Trae32566 | not me |
| 02:08.33 | MrFrood | i'm in off-topic if you want to continue... |
| 02:08.39 | twinkie_addict | i know freebsd but not kfreebsd |
| 02:08.58 | twinkie_addict | MrFrood: im there too |
| 02:09.08 | MrFrood | !kfreebsd |
| 02:09.08 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 were released as a "technology preview" for Squeeze, ask me about <install guide>. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 02:09.33 | micols | richo: why would you go back in time and install freebsd? you think you gain performance ? think again |
| 02:09.41 | micols | with linux you can get fast filesystems, such as xfs etc. |
| 02:09.51 | richo | micols: heh? I'm going to install debian kfreebsd/i386 |
| 02:09.53 | micols | install a debian base-install without xorg |
| 02:09.56 | micols | oh.. |
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| 02:10.11 | richo | and I'm just asking what the performance is like, as atm I'm on sid i386 and it's pretty decent on an ancient laptop |
| 02:10.11 | twinkie_addict | agreed |
| 02:10.13 | micols | does xfs and lvm2 work on that? |
| 02:10.19 | micols | else you will miss it :) |
| 02:10.36 | micols | I agree that freebsd kernel is less vulnerable to local exploits these days |
| 02:10.39 | richo | I would assume so, I'm using reiser atm.. no need for lvm when i'm never ever going to change the storage in the machine |
| 02:10.46 | micols | too many local root exploits recently for linux |
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| 02:11.46 | micols | I considered switching to freebsd recently due to all those exploits, but I might consider debian/freebsd kernel that sounds like a nice combination (been using debian for 10 years or so) |
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| 02:11.58 | micols | (for laptop) |
| 02:12.13 | micols | then servers, if it is stable and does what I need :) |
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| 02:12.20 | micols | would like to use xfs |
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| 02:13.18 | twinkie_addict | xfs is fast aand can handle large files nicely |
| 02:13.52 | Trae32566 | isn't it slightly unstable? |
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| 02:14.05 | micols | it was unstable 1½ year ago, I had about 10 oopses a day |
| 02:14.11 | micols | and 10 resynces of my raid6 a day |
| 02:14.29 | micols | but they fixed it, it was in about 3-5 stable linux releases it was very unstable |
| 02:14.34 | micols | no problems since iirc. |
| 02:14.39 | micols | was around 2.6.30 |
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| 02:15.48 | micols | ext4 is probably unstable as well |
| 02:16.28 | micols | chose between xfs and ext4 I don't regret using xfs, no check at startup, quotas built into the filesystem (no need for quotacheck), xfs advanced acl's |
| 02:16.55 | streuner_ | dpkg, filesystems |
| 02:16.55 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. medium-speed but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. slow, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use <ext3>. Old benchmarks at http://fsbench.netnation.com/ . http://wiki.debian.org/FileSystem #linuxfs on irc.oftc.net. |
| 02:17.06 | chrisb | what about btrfs? |
| 02:17.27 | micols | yeah right, is it even 10% done nowadays?:) |
| 02:17.34 | streuner_ | dpkg, factinfo filesystems |
| 02:17.34 | dpkg | filesystems -- last modified at Sat May 30 03:23:48 2009 by gsimmons!~gsimmons@gsimmons.org; it has been requested 140 times, last by streuner_, 39s ago. |
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| 02:18.01 | streuner_ | chrisb: just alter the factoid |
| 02:18.34 | abrotman | that is old .. really not accurate anymore anyway |
| 02:18.59 | micols | why is reiserfs dangerous? |
| 02:19.01 | twinkie_addict | agreed |
| 02:19.16 | twinkie_addict | murderfs is ok |
| 02:19.17 | streuner_ | micols: too many changes |
| 02:19.26 | streuner_ | without enough tests |
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| 02:19.37 | twinkie_addict | i havent used it in like 11 years |
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| 02:21.26 | Takfin | nvz>it works perfectly, thank you very mutch , i'll see for unlock bios problem's, i'll let you know, |
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| 02:22.12 | Takfin | well have good time everybody |
| 02:22.16 | Takfin | bye |
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| 02:23.14 | sjs205_ | NFS question... If my client does not have the correct time will this cause mounts to fail??? |
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| 02:33.14 | sparc | Hey there. Is Common Debian Build System (CDBS) still the accepted standard method of building a package? |
| 02:33.20 | soulofmischief87 | hi can anyone help me set an up to my deb machine |
| 02:33.21 | soulofmischief87 | ? |
| 02:33.29 | soulofmischief87 | ip* |
| 02:33.35 | soulofmischief87 | where does it go |
| 02:33.40 | soulofmischief87 | debian make sense |
| 02:33.42 | soulofmischief87 | centos does |
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| 02:49.22 | mocca | hi, I install debian in my netbook, durin setup it ays some of my hardware need non-free firmware files to operate. the missing firmware are b43/ucode15.fw and b43-open/ucode15.fw. Where can i get this file? can i continue setup without loading this firmware first? |
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| 02:49.52 | abrotman | you can .. it's for oyur wifi |
| 02:50.36 | mocca | abrotman: so after i finish installing, i can get this firmware in non-free repo? |
| 02:50.49 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:51.13 | mocca | abrotman: thanks. I'll continue now. |
| 02:51.21 | twinkie_addict | yes |
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| 02:52.01 | fredden | What's the best way to get attention on an old bug? |
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| 02:52.43 | sjs205_ | bump |
| 02:52.47 | sjs205_ | :) |
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| 02:54.39 | abrotman | fredden: attention in what way? |
| 02:54.49 | dthree | Hi, i try to install debian 6 and i cant |
| 02:55.06 | streuner_ | dthree: give us more details, please. |
| 02:55.34 | dthree | streuner_: when i try boot |
| 02:55.36 | dthree | say> Syslinux 3.82 2009-06-09 EBIOS Copyright (C) 1994-2009 H. Peter Avin et al |
| 02:55.46 | dthree | and stay here ... |
| 02:55.48 | dthree | :( |
| 02:55.57 | fredden | abrotman, It's preventing a smooth lenny->squeeze upgrade, so I'd like to have it fixed. I'll try to spend some time on it and offer a patch. |
| 02:56.14 | fredden | abrotman, bug 561864 FYI |
| 02:56.19 | streuner_ | dthree: what iso (download) and what CPU do you have? |
| 02:57.19 | streuner_ | dthree: did you download the multiarch thingie of the debian website? |
| 02:57.25 | dthree | i386 is the iso that ive downloaded |
| 02:57.28 | dthree | and i have core 2 duo |
| 02:57.31 | dthree | intel* |
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| 02:58.17 | streuner_ | dthree: just try the multiarch iso of Debian website |
| 02:58.32 | abrotman | !dbugs 561864 |
| 02:58.34 | mosno | wonders how long it will take him to read the package descriptions of every package in squeeze |
| 02:58.36 | dpkg | #561864:I[snmpd] snmpd: Fails to install if not using shadow passwords (); Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:33:01 UTC [] |
| 03:00.25 | dthree | streuner_: the same problem : |
| 03:00.27 | dthree | :( |
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| 03:01.25 | stew | fredden: there is not much to do about it until there is a known fix |
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| 03:02.08 | fredden | okay, I'll see if I can offer a patch |
| 03:02.14 | stew | fredden: once there is and a patch is sent to that bug, the mainatiners can talk to the stable release managers to see if they would accept a fix |
| 03:02.54 | fredden | this is a regression, as the lenny version installed/installs fine. |
| 03:03.34 | dthree | mmm and what about install lenny and upgrate do 6.0 testing? |
| 03:03.49 | streuner_ | dthree: should be ok |
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| 03:04.04 | dthree | streuner_: i see in some forums that not recomend make it :S |
| 03:04.13 | dthree | sory for my english is very bad xD |
| 03:04.15 | streuner_ | dthree: keep in mind, 6.0 is stable/squeeze now |
| 03:04.38 | streuner_ | if a lenny debian-installer works, why not... |
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| 03:05.12 | dthree | yes, debian lenny installer work fine |
| 03:05.19 | fredden | dthree, are you suggesting installing the working (lenny) version and upgrade to the broken (squeeze) version? |
| 03:05.26 | dthree | and the pendrive with squeeze work fine too xD |
| 03:05.34 | dthree | fredden: yes :$ |
| 03:05.37 | homie | shit the drivers broke my monitor |
| 03:06.04 | stew | dthree: why not install from the pendrive then? |
| 03:06.13 | fredden | dthree, that's what I'm trying to do. it's the "setting up snmpd" part that fails if it's an upgrade or a fresh install |
| 03:06.15 | dthree | streuner_: i have other notebook and work well i dont know why not work here |
| 03:06.29 | dthree | stew: the same problem install form cd and pendrive |
| 03:07.04 | dthree | i try with netinstall |
| 03:07.11 | dthree | mm i can try with complete cd |
| 03:07.12 | dthree | :O |
| 03:07.35 | dthree | what do you recomend for my notebook, testing or stable? |
| 03:08.06 | streuner_ | stable if you using the notebook for your work... |
| 03:08.10 | stew | dthree: if the netinstall fails to boot, the complete cd should be the same |
| 03:08.27 | dthree | stew: :( |
| 03:08.31 | streuner_ | testing if you using the notebook for your work, but you know what you doing |
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| 03:08.49 | streuner_ | testing if you just play |
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| 03:08.58 | dthree | streuner_: i use it for develop in java with netbeans and sites xD |
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| 03:09.09 | stew | dthree: stable for now |
| 03:09.13 | streuner_ | hm, then sid :-P |
| 03:09.14 | stew | dthree: testing is too new |
| 03:09.16 | stew | no |
| 03:09.18 | stew | not sid |
| 03:09.20 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 03:09.32 | dthree | stew: the stable for now is squeze? |
| 03:09.38 | stew | yes |
| 03:09.39 | dthree | hold i will read wikipedia |
| 03:09.39 | dthree | xD |
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| 03:09.57 | streuner_ | dthree: listen to stew, he is right, testing is too new now... |
| 03:10.07 | streuner_ | you have to wait some time |
| 03:10.07 | dthree | fine i will install this: |
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| 03:10.24 | dthree | This is squezze: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.0-i386-CD-1.iso ? |
| 03:10.54 | streuner_ | well, you told us, it didnt work? |
| 03:11.01 | streuner_ | to boot? |
| 03:11.02 | stew | dthree: yes, that is squeeze |
| 03:11.29 | stew | dthree: you could also try a amd64 image which would get you a 64 bit system instead |
| 03:11.51 | dthree | stew: the problem of 64bits is the drivers :( |
| 03:12.02 | stew | dthree: which drivers? |
| 03:12.02 | dthree | in lenny i have a lot of time to fix all drivers probelm in 64bits |
| 03:12.18 | dthree | *uking nvidia :( |
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| 03:14.23 | homie | i hear feaps from the monitor i think |
| 03:14.31 | homie | feeeep, feeeeeep |
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| 03:17.17 | dthree | Other noob question, if i put /home in other particion, if i need resintall and i select this like home, when i install i only make adduser and indicate home folders and all is like after resintall? |
| 03:17.30 | dthree | Do you undestand my english? Or is very hard understand it? |
| 03:17.47 | streuner_ | i have no problems |
| 03:18.05 | dthree | stew: oH Oh some problem |
| 03:18.11 | dthree | the iso that not boot is this: debian-6.0.0-i386-businesscard :( |
| 03:18.39 | dthree | and this: debian-testing-i386-netinst |
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| 03:19.24 | streuner_ | wait, debian-testing sounds to me like a buggy new DI :-P |
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| 03:20.02 | streuner_ | but debian-6* should be alright, in most cases |
| 03:20.58 | streuner_ | strange, but OSs are like this way, sometimes they doesnt work on random reasons |
| 03:21.11 | streuner_ | without logicial reasons |
| 03:21.43 | streuner_ | just use a working installer and upgrade to squeeze, thats is what i would do |
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| 03:22.34 | streuner_ | dthree: if you using a NEW/seperate partition for your /home, all changes/configurations are lost |
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| 03:24.58 | dthree | streuner_: if i install old version, only i need change repositories and |
| 03:25.08 | dthree | apt-get update |
| 03:25.13 | dthree | apt-get upgrade and ready? |
| 03:25.19 | streuner_ | dthree: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 03:25.42 | streuner_ | usually you have to read release-notes |
| 03:25.57 | streuner_ | its recommended |
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| 03:26.29 | twinkie_addict | sqeeze is good just make sue you pick a good repo ibilo craped on me during a instal but easynews has been very good for me |
| 03:26.31 | dthree | streuner_: are you sure that the upgrade is good? and dont install a broken system? |
| 03:26.46 | streuner_ | but release-notes are very important for people who using a server(s) |
| 03:27.22 | dthree | streuner_: ok thank in my server i use rhel :D |
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| 03:27.29 | xelister | how to check CPU correctness? stress it, benchmark speed, and verify validity of cpu? |
| 03:27.29 | fredden | dthree, upgrade process went well here |
| 03:27.33 | streuner_ | dthree: maybe one or another package failed, but upgrading to stable/squeeze should work |
| 03:27.43 | twinkie_addict | i still prefer clean install to dist-upgrade every time for any distro that isnt a rolling release mechanic |
| 03:27.57 | streuner_ | dthree: your own fault :-P |
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| 03:28.13 | dthree | streuner_: :P |
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| 03:28.28 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 03:28.38 | lenswipe | can someone help with the following: The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
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| 03:28.38 | lenswipe | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:28.38 | lenswipe | E: Broken packages |
| 03:28.58 | dthree | im agree with fredden xD the dist upgrades not is very secure xD |
| 03:29.38 | twinkie_addict | lenswipe: maybe the mirror dosnt have the needed deps |
| 03:29.43 | stew | lenswipe: show us the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-ache policy alien-arena-common alien-arena" in a pastebin |
| 03:29.55 | streuner_ | judd, versions alien-arena-common |
| 03:29.57 | judd | Package alien-arena-common on i386 -- sid/contrib: 7.40-2; squeeze/contrib: 7.40-2; wheezy/contrib: 7.40-2 |
| 03:32.05 | lenswipe | stew, http://pastebin.com/zh3CL24b |
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| 03:35.50 | dthree | i will go to resintall streuner_ , stew , fredden thanks for the help if all is ok i will back in an hour xD |
| 03:35.53 | stew | lenswipe: well, since you failed to show us the output of "apt-cache policy" i'll guess that the problem is that the -common package depends on package in the non-free repository and you don't have a non-free source |
| 03:36.08 | lenswipe | stew, i did show you the output |
| 03:36.20 | lenswipe | stew, oh wait a minute, i know what went wrong, ill try it again |
| 03:36.21 | stew | lenswipe: i don't see it |
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| 03:37.45 | streuner_ | lenswipe: please give us the output of your sources.list too |
| 03:37.50 | lenswipe | stew, http://pastebin.com/T2zBnEcX |
| 03:38.25 | stew | lenswipe: "the problem is that the -common package depends on package in the non-free repository and you don't have a non-free source" |
| 03:38.27 | streuner_ | omg |
| 03:38.44 | lenswipe | stew, so i just need to enable the nonfree repo? |
| 03:38.48 | stew | lenswipe: well you do, but only for lenny, and not for squeeze |
| 03:38.57 | lenswipe | for lenny? O_O |
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| 03:39.07 | lenswipe | stew, im not on lenny |
| 03:39.10 | stew | lenswipe: you ahve a non-free source for lenny for not for squeeze |
| 03:39.19 | ib_mobile2_ | I'm having a network bridge problem on debian lenny. http://pastebin.com/pCGCRVyV anyone able to point me in the right direction? |
| 03:39.27 | stew | lenswipe: yes, i know. you have a lot of lenny sources that you probably should have gotten rid of at some point |
| 03:39.44 | stew | lenswipe: you should check the license to see why it is non-free before installing it |
| 03:39.45 | lenswipe | i just upgraded yesterday |
| 03:40.01 | lenswipe | stew, do i just find/replace the word "lenny" with the word "squeeze" and then apt-get update? |
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| 03:40.26 | twinkie_addict | that might help |
| 03:40.52 | stew | lenswipe: in the future we'd recommend following the procedure in the release notes when upgrading from one release to another |
| 03:40.57 | streuner_ | his sources.list looks/seems to me like a big mess |
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| 03:41.54 | stew | lenswipe: volatile changed in squeeze, so replacing lenny with squeeze there won't wokr |
| 03:41.57 | stew | work* |
| 03:42.00 | sjs205_ | For an NFS server what should i have enabled in my inet.conf? |
| 03:42.17 | stew | lenswipe: /msg dpkg squeeze volatile |
| 03:42.27 | lenswipe | W: Failed to fetch http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile/dists/squeeze/volatile/main/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 128.31.0.51 80] |
| 03:42.27 | lenswipe | W: Failed to fetch http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile/dists/squeeze/volatile/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 128.31.0.51 80] |
| 03:42.27 | lenswipe | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 03:42.43 | streuner_ | sure |
| 03:42.44 | stew | lenswipe: exactly |
| 03:42.56 | lenswipe | so what do i need to do to fix this? |
| 03:43.08 | streuner_ | stew already told you |
| 03:43.13 | lenswipe | /msg dpkg squeeze volitile |
| 03:43.16 | lenswipe | is that it? |
| 03:43.53 | stew | nope |
| 03:44.05 | stew | 22:42 < stew> lenswipe: /msg dpkg squeeze volatile |
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| 03:45.08 | lenswipe | okay i followed dpkg's instructions and its not throwing any more errors |
| 03:45.13 | lenswipe | lets see what happens now :p |
| 03:45.42 | lenswipe | works, heh |
| 03:45.44 | lenswipe | \o/ |
| 03:45.45 | lenswipe | thanks :D |
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| 04:10.56 | Big_Brother | Ty |
| 04:11.03 | mocca | hi. finished install debian om my netbook. so which firmware should i install for my wireless? in synaptic i saw 4 firmware, firmware-b43-installer, firmware-b43-lpphy-installer, b43-fwcutter and firmware-b43legacy-installer. |
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| 04:11.59 | dvs | mocca: http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
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| 04:13.11 | dvs | (assuming you have a Broadcom) |
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| 04:14.01 | Infra_HDC | setup all of this, for heap ) |
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| 04:15.03 | mocca | dvs: during setup it syas i need this non-free firmware b43/ucode15.fw and b43-open/ucode15.fw for my hardware to work. so this is broadcom right? |
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| 04:15.56 | Getty | i feel confused but .. could it be that initctl of squeeze is compiled with a wrong socket to connect to the upstart? Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused |
| 04:15.57 | dvs | mocca: Those files are for Broadcom, yes |
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| 04:16.22 | mocca | dvs: ok thankyou. im reading the wiki page now. |
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| 04:18.35 | adhoc|work | i've install squeeze on a couple of machines from dvd and cd .isos i've burnt, but now installing from the uncompressed hd image; boot.img.bz |
| 04:18.53 | adhoc|work | however it doesn;t have a installer ISO image and prompts for one |
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| 04:19.20 | adhoc|work | is there an image i can use to put on a USB thumb drive to install from that has the whole lot? |
| 04:19.47 | dvs | adhoc|work: you need an ISO image to go with the boot.img.bz image. |
| 04:19.59 | adhoc|work | right, that narrows it down |
| 04:20.10 | adhoc|work | so i dd the image onto the same USB drive? |
| 04:20.38 | dvs | adhoc|work: No. You just copy it to the partition created by boot.img.bz |
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| 04:21.10 | dvs | adhoc|work: or create a separate, larger partition on the same USB drive |
| 04:21.50 | _jesse_ | adhoc|work: if you dd'd boot.img.bz you'll generally need one of the smaller isos |
| 04:22.05 | _jesse_ | like the netistat or whatever it's called |
| 04:22.05 | homie | oh man, the feeping did not go away even with a new install, means hardware is broke |
| 04:22.15 | fredden | grr.. name collision between Debconf (perl configuration stuffs) and DebConf (conference) |
| 04:22.16 | dvs | feep? |
| 04:22.27 | _jesse_ | to fit on the partition; or create a larger partition as dvs notes |
| 04:22.28 | homie | that's the third monitor now |
| 04:22.30 | adhoc|work | _jesse_: right |
| 04:22.38 | adhoc|work | dvs: will try that, thanks =) |
| 04:22.43 | dvs | np |
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| 04:24.31 | diabo | How can I see the logs of the ips that joined ftp server? |
| 04:24.41 | tehrabbitt | Hi, i'm trying to add a printer in KDE and I go to the "manage system" then printers, then when I hit add it gives me an error saying that the password may be incorrect... any way to fix this? it's not prompting me for a password |
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| 04:28.02 | tehrabbitt | i've tried google but this is all i can find on it: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=550620 |
| 04:28.19 | tehrabbitt | i've tried the sudo route, but it says "cannot connect to X server: 0.0" when I run as root |
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| 04:31.17 | tehrabbitt | anyone have any ideas? |
| 04:31.32 | adhoc|work | tehrabbitt: perhaps you can run; sudo su - |
| 04:31.39 | adhoc|work | first and then run; route -n |
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| 04:31.52 | adhoc|work | see which step is calling the X connection |
| 04:32.17 | cantido | tehrabbitt: you need to allow root to use your x server |
| 04:32.47 | cantido | adhoc|work: I dont think he/she meant "route" as in the route command.. I think they mean they used sudo |
| 04:32.50 | tehrabbitt | cantido, how do I do that? |
| 04:32.56 | adhoc|work | cantido: why would either sudo or route be making an X connection? |
| 04:33.04 | cantido | tehrabbitt: I use sux.. |
| 04:33.18 | adhoc|work | cantido: ah right |
| 04:33.25 | cantido | tehrabbitt: apparently with Gnome sudo just works for x11 apps, I havent seen that in kde |
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| 04:33.45 | cantido | adhoc|work: "I took the long route home", "I took the expert install route".. ;) |
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| 04:33.47 | tehrabbitt | hm, idk what to do :-\ |
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| 04:33.56 | adhoc|work | cantido: roger that |
| 04:34.07 | cantido | tehrabbitt: you can just use the cups web interface |
| 04:34.10 | dhtree | Hi again :( |
| 04:34.15 | tehrabbitt | cantido, how do I do that? |
| 04:34.18 | cantido | tehrabbitt: the kde printer thing was wank last time I used it |
| 04:34.21 | tehrabbitt | didn't know there was a web interface |
| 04:34.27 | dhtree | streuner_: |
| 04:34.29 | dhtree | are you here? |
| 04:34.38 | adhoc|work | tehrabbitt: has been a cups web interface for along time =) |
| 04:34.48 | cantido | tehrabbitt: http://localhost:631 I think |
| 04:35.00 | cantido | Copyright Apple.. heh |
| 04:35.20 | dhtree | stew? |
| 04:35.21 | tehrabbitt | basically I have a Dell 1710 printer I want to get working, which I know has problems with linux to begin with.. lol but sadly i've never, installed a printer using cups 0_o... always either just used a linux machine that had printers set up already, or never had use for a printer |
| 04:35.37 | cantido | tehrabbitt: network printer? |
| 04:35.58 | cantido | IIRC those dell printers are rebadged Xerox and work fine with cups and a bit of fiddling |
| 04:36.00 | karlpinc | tehrabbitt: (There is a command line interface to cups configuration, but I forget all details.) |
| 04:36.34 | tehrabbitt | cantido, Yes, i'm using a netgear print server... supports lpd:// |
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| 04:37.07 | tehrabbitt | well it should.. it says to set a print queue to "lp1" or use port "9100" if it doesn't support lp (windows config) |
| 04:37.22 | cantido | tehrabbitt: ok, I think you just go to the web interface for cups and add printer and it either finds it or you enter the ip |
| 04:37.46 | dhtree | if i boot form debian live cd, i can install form this like ubuntu? |
| 04:37.52 | sjs205_ | Is there a single website which provides details of all, if not, most kernel config option details?? |
| 04:38.08 | cantido | dhtree: I don't know, but why not just download the netinst image |
| 04:38.15 | karlpinc | dhtree: Yes, although there are reported problems from some people. |
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| 04:38.19 | cantido | sjs205_: you mean build options? |
| 04:38.35 | dhtree | cantido: i cant install debian 6 form netinstall, and complete cd in my notebook |
| 04:38.50 | cantido | dhtree: you can install from USB |
| 04:38.54 | sjs205_ | cantido, yeah, the .config options |
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| 04:39.01 | karlpinc | sjs205_: The kernel source code has details built into it's X configuration interfaace. |
| 04:39.06 | dhtree | cantido: i not work form usb and cd |
| 04:39.19 | cantido | sjs205_: they are documented in the config interface.. i.e make menuconfig and in the Documentation directory |
| 04:39.29 | sjs205_ | karlpinc, I know, but there doesn't seem to be much infomation |
| 04:39.32 | karlpinc | sjs205_: s/built into/accessable from/ (And from other interfaces too.) |
| 04:39.45 | cantido | sjs205_: if you can find a browsable copy of the tree online browse to Documentation and there you go |
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| 04:40.05 | sjs205_ | cantido, yeah, i guess soo... cheers... |
| 04:40.12 | cantido | sjs205_: sadly there isn't a ton of verbose documentation for everything |
| 04:40.13 | karlpinc | sjs205_: If you want more there's often more in the source, or other ancellary documentation depending on what you're looking at. |
| 04:40.36 | cantido | sjs205_: if you play enough you'll notice that changes go into linux that people dont even check.. they just guess it should work ;) |
| 04:40.44 | cantido | s/play/play around/ |
| 04:40.51 | karlpinc | dhtree: If you tell us what goes wrong we might be able to help. |
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| 04:41.42 | dhtree | Say: Syslinux 3.82 2009-06-09 EBIOS Copyright (C) 1994-2009 H. Peter Avin et al |
| 04:41.50 | dhtree | and stay here, and the pendrive activity led stop |
| 04:41.59 | cantido | dhtree: is that booting from USB? |
| 04:42.01 | sjs205_ | cantido, Yeah, I've noticed this quite a bit ;) |
| 04:42.03 | dhtree | and if try form cd, the activity led of cdrom stop too |
| 04:42.16 | dhtree | cantido: form cd and pendrive the same problem |
| 04:42.27 | sjs205_ | cheers guys... I remember seeing a page for bios options years ago and was hoping there was something similar... |
| 04:42.38 | sjs205_ | but i guess it is the good ole kernel docs |
| 04:42.43 | cantido | sjs205_: I have posted a few things to specific linux kernel sublists.. i.e. these changes stopped the board etc from actually booting.. never get a reply heh |
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| 04:42.52 | dhtree | cantido: the problen with this isos: debian-6.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst, debian-6.0.0-i386-CD-1, debian-testing-i386-netinst |
| 04:43.05 | sjs205_ | cantido, Man, that sucks! |
| 04:43.12 | cantido | dhtree: thats pretty weird, the live CD just boots though? |
| 04:43.33 | cantido | sjs205_: the driver for my PATA chipset has been ported to libata but apparently never checked on the real hardware heh |
| 04:43.40 | dhtree | i-ve now downloading the debian-testing-i386-cd-1 and debian live 6.0.0.0 i386 to try |
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| 04:43.54 | dhtree | if it not work i will download lenny and upgrade to squeze |
| 04:43.56 | sjs205_ | cantido, haha... |
| 04:43.59 | karlpinc | dhtree: You might try #debian-boot on irc.debian.org. They wrote the installer and are interested in problem reports (I think.) |
| 04:44.00 | cantido | so I have to disconnect and reconnect my drive just after the kernel has loaded for it to be detected .. yay! |
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| 04:44.12 | johnfg | howdy |
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| 04:44.28 | cantido | karlpinc: the live cd uses the same loader though,.. weird that the install disc craps out there |
| 04:44.42 | karlpinc | dhtree: It's annoying to upgrade but I suppose if you do a bare minimal install it'd be easy. |
| 04:45.05 | karlpinc | cantido: Someone else had a similar problem the other day, although I don't know about booting the livecd part. |
| 04:45.10 | cantido | dhtree: I have personally found that USB install devices made in line with the debian instructions havent booted.. but unetbootin created ones do.. |
| 04:45.27 | karlpinc | cantido: With the squeeze installer? |
| 04:45.45 | johnfg | I just got exim configured (reconfigured) to mail off this machine, to anywhere. |
| 04:45.48 | karlpinc | cantido: The squeeze installer is "new" in regards usb boot. |
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| 04:45.57 | cantido | karlpinc: mmm probably squeeze as it was a month or so ago |
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| 04:46.33 | cantido | karlpinc: There was a long rant here about why using unetbootin was evil because its a ubuntu tool or something |
| 04:46.38 | karlpinc | dhtree: I know. You're supposed to be able to install from a live cd. You could always try that. (Or isn't that where you started?) |
| 04:47.05 | karlpinc | cantido: No, it's evil because we can't support it -- or so that's my impression. |
| 04:47.19 | karlpinc | cantido: So, it's offtopic. |
| 04:47.31 | cantido | the guy could get unetbootin sticks to boot but not official debian ones.. but refused to use the unetbootin ones for that weird reason |
| 04:47.38 | cantido | karlpinc: unetbootin is in debian |
| 04:47.57 | chrisb | cantido: ah, i had the same problems with netbooting my laptop with the installer |
| 04:48.10 | chrisb | cantido: i wanted to do some repair/rescue |
| 04:48.12 | karlpinc | cantido: Take it up with the installer folks. |
| 04:48.15 | johnfg | However, I must still be missing something, as mail is rejected to this machine itself. |
| 04:48.41 | cantido | my guess was that the syslinux unetbootin was installing was newer than what debian was using or something |
| 04:48.46 | chrisb | could not recognize the disk on a toshiba laptop, then ibm laptop |
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| 04:49.08 | dhtree | karlpinc: irc.debian.org have a webchat?> |
| 04:49.15 | cantido | chrisb: did it just stop at the syslinux line? |
| 04:49.32 | johnfg | Of course evolution, or thunderbird, etc, work fine, but not for here. Do I need another program or have I missed configuring something? |
| 04:49.49 | chrisb | cantido: no, it got into the install menu |
| 04:49.59 | chrisb | cantido: so maybe this is different |
| 04:50.05 | karlpinc | dhtree: It's Debian's irc server. Most who hang out in this channel hang out in #debian there too, but there's some debian channels that are only there and not on freenode. |
| 04:50.08 | cantido | chrisb: but then wouldn't detect the disk? |
| 04:50.11 | chrisb | cantido: pxelinux was the loader |
| 04:50.37 | chrisb | cantido: correct, it could not detect ata_piix disck |
| 04:51.12 | cantido | chrisb: mmm the newer kernel in squeeze might help with that |
| 04:51.16 | dhtree | cantido i try usb install make with unetbint and with isohunt |
| 04:51.20 | dhtree | and the same problem |
| 04:51.26 | dhtree | and i try with cd and the same problem :( |
| 04:51.30 | cantido | chrisb: common PC pata/sata chipsets seem to get tested ;) |
| 04:51.58 | karlpinc | dhtree: I suppose you could try flashing your bios with something newer and see if that helps. :-P |
| 04:52.05 | cantido | dhtree: I'm not sure if the live cd can do the install for you.. theres nothing to stop you using debootstrap though |
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| 04:52.41 | dhtree | cantido: yes, i now donwloading the iso and i will try to install form it |
| 04:52.44 | chrisb | cantido: thanks |
| 04:52.56 | cantido | chrisb: it is SATA right? |
| 04:53.13 | cantido | chrisb: sometimes there is a bios option or two that will help with that.. emulation settings |
| 04:53.24 | johnfg | does fetchmail use exim? |
| 04:53.39 | karlpinc | johnfg: fetchmail is entirely separate. |
| 04:54.25 | dhtree | karlpinc: very good idea!!! |
| 04:54.43 | johnfg | karlpinc: Right, but after installing fetchmail last night, and it downloaded the messages, but they went nowhere! |
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| 04:55.30 | johnfg | exim is my MTA, and I thought it would just work, so I could read the messages with mutt. But they weren't in the mailbox. |
| 04:55.53 | cantido | johnfg: how have you configured exim to deliver mail? |
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| 04:56.49 | karlpinc | prefers postfix and knows nothing of exim configs |
| 04:57.06 | cantido | johnfg: if you want to know what is happening take a look at exims log.. |
| 04:57.36 | cantido | cant actually remember what fetchmail does with mail after downloading it.. |
| 04:58.42 | dvs | buries it |
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| 04:59.22 | johnfg | cantido: I just did a dpkg reconfig and chose Internet site; mail is sent and received directly using SMTP. |
| 05:00.14 | johnfg | cantido: Where does fetchmail put the mail it fetches? |
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| 05:00.51 | johnfg | cantido: Oops, I missed that above, but just saw that you don't remember. |
| 05:01.05 | cantido | johnfg: what does exim -bt <youruser> say? |
| 05:01.07 | karlpinc | johnfg: An MTA hands off to something else for local delivery, like procmail or cyrus or something, although there's usually something, IIRC, included that will do the job absent anything else. |
| 05:04.31 | johnfg | cantido: Oy, I got some output, but I'm in a terminal and don't know how to paste from here to pastebin. |
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| 05:04.47 | red_ | hi |
| 05:04.47 | cantido | fetchmail by default pulls the mail and uses the local MTA to deliver it to the user that called fetch I thought.. I havent used it in ages |
| 05:05.08 | cantido | johnfg: does it say it will deliver it to your local user? |
| 05:05.13 | red_ | I have a xmodmap line in my xinitrc but it doesn't work |
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| 05:05.24 | red_ | it works when I run it manually though |
| 05:06.54 | johnfg | cantido: Yeah, it looks like it, if I'm reading it right. |
| 05:07.00 | ib_mobile2_ | anyone know about bridges in lenny? http://pastebin.com/pCGCRVyV |
| 05:08.05 | johnfg | I wanted to be able to use mutt when I putty from the office to this server. I was almost there, when I saw it downloading the messages, but I don't know where they went! |
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| 05:08.39 | cantido | johnfg: have you checked /var/mail |
| 05:09.15 | cantido | johnfg: if exim is getting the mails and saving them to your mail box it will be in the log.. its possible fetchmail changes your mbox files itself though |
| 05:09.19 | karlpinc | johnfg: /var/log/mail.log should say what the mail got handed to. |
| 05:09.25 | dhtree | karlpinc, now new version on hp site :*( |
| 05:10.09 | karlpinc | dhtree: Is it supposed to fix your problem, or don't they say? |
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| 05:10.42 | dhtree | karlpinc: i think may be if i updated the bios version to the last it work |
| 05:10.54 | dhtree | but i dont see in hp site a new version for my notebook :( |
| 05:11.04 | dhtree | only this:http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareDownloadIndex?softwareitem=ob-74837-1&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&os=4063&product=3860674&sw_lang= but is very old |
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| 05:12.38 | karlpinc | dhtree: In cases like yours where the OEM is torturing me I sometimes like to call their tech support and torture them asking for a new bios. YMMV. |
| 05:13.01 | cantido | could possibly be a bug in the loader though .. ;) |
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| 05:13.25 | dhtree | i now trying with two isos more and if not work |
| 05:13.31 | dhtree | i will instal lenny and make dist upgrade xD |
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| 05:13.44 | dhtree | or install ubuntu xD |
| 05:13.50 | dvs | o_O |
| 05:14.20 | karlpinc | dhtree: Go into expert mode and do a very minimal install. Then follow the squeeze release notes to upgrade. Then run tasksel to get your desktop/etc. |
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| 05:15.14 | dhtree | karlpinc: i cant select expert mode xD |
| 05:15.27 | dhtree | the boot fail after install show |
| 05:15.31 | karlpinc | dhtree: Not in the lenny installer? |
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| 05:16.02 | johnfg | ok, I'll check the log. |
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| 05:17.41 | karlpinc | dhtree: Do not just "dist-upgrade". Follow the upgrade instructions in the squeeze release notes, or the abbreviated version here: |
| 05:17.49 | karlpinc | !tell dhtree about lenny->squeeze |
| 05:18.52 | cantido | If you can boot ubuntu though.. you can install debian with debootstrap |
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| 05:19.07 | cantido | a bit more manual, but more fun ;) |
| 05:19.21 | dhtree | cantido: do you have some tutorial that recomend? |
| 05:19.28 | dhtree | turorial=hwo to xD |
| 05:19.31 | dhtree | sory xD |
| 05:19.36 | dhtree | how* |
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| 05:19.59 | EagleRock | !tell dhtree about debootstrap |
| 05:20.02 | EagleRock | dhtree: that should help |
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| 05:29.48 | johnfg | Well, good news. Probably because I got exim right, the mail is now showing up so I can read it with mutt. Thanks for the help cantido & karlpinc. |
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| 05:31.00 | johnfg | Now, If I could figure out how to get mail to a user on this machine itself! |
| 05:31.32 | johnfg | I can send it from here, and it shows up as such, but when I reply to it, it bounces. |
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| 05:38.19 | johnfg | aha, I can send mail to <user@this.machine> from the command line, or from mutt, and it arrives. |
| 05:38.49 | johnfg | However, I can't reply from the X mailers without it bouncing. |
| 05:38.54 | Maarten | is it me or do repositories, regardless of which mirror I pick particulary slow tonight? |
| 05:39.20 | johnfg | And, no one will be able to respond to me if I mail them from here. |
| 05:39.26 | johnfg | Can this be fixed? |
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| 05:44.13 | yagoo | johnfg, you know what's funny? |
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| 05:46.07 | yagoo | "<johnfg> Can this be fixed?" << LOL |
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| 05:54.26 | johnfg | yagoo: I'm dense tonight. too tired. I don't get it. |
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| 05:59.38 | Alcor | Even though I have added my partitions to /etc/fstab [ http://pastebin.com/9d63pbWV ], just after boot up, none of the partitions are mounted [ http://pastebin.com/Te6E54y2 ] . |
| 05:59.51 | EagleRock | asdf |
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| 06:00.03 | EagleRock | asdfa |
| 06:00.45 | Alcor | WTF |
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| 06:01.28 | EagleRock | listsfasd |
| 06:01.33 | EagleRock | sorry |
| 06:01.38 | EagleRock | irc client hung up on me |
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| 06:05.24 | EagleRock | Alcor: fixed it for you |
| 06:05.48 | Alcor | ? |
| 06:05.48 | EagleRock | Alcor: those two filesystems are dependent on root, so they need to be mounted after root, not before it |
| 06:05.58 | EagleRock | http://pastebin.com/hY8jK2Ff |
| 06:06.16 | EagleRock | Alcor: you were attempting to mount them on pass 0 |
| 06:06.53 | Alcor | Ah |
| 06:06.54 | Alcor | I get |
| 06:06.57 | Alcor | Thx |
| 06:06.58 | EagleRock | wait |
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| 06:07.09 | dan_smith | Hello, I have a core 2 duo (64 bit) intel cpu, Which kernel version would I use? There is no intel 64 bit kernel, but a AMD64 one, this is somewhat confusing. I would like the pc to recognize more than the 3.666666 gb of mem I have installed, can I use the AMD64 kernel on an intel chip? |
| 06:07.47 | EagleRock | !tell dan_smith about AMD64 |
| 06:07.48 | KB1JWQ | Yes. |
| 06:08.10 | dan_smith | thanks, got it |
| 06:08.26 | beerbroy | !tell beerbroy about AMD64 |
| 06:09.04 | Rafa652 | !tell rafa652 about AMD64 |
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| 06:11.18 | EagleRock | btw guys, there's an easier way to look up stuff yourself: |
| 06:11.20 | EagleRock | !selftell |
| 06:11.21 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
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| 06:11.47 | zeno | After a recent upgrade I get keybd & mouse frozen at gdm, alt-ctrl-f* does not work, and /var/log/xorg.0.log tells me it "Failed to initialise GLX extension, module ABI major version (11) doesn't match the servers version (7), it failed to load module "evdev" (module requirement mismatch,0), and there is no input driver matching "evdev". I can get into recovery mode which has no net connection, and can |
| 06:11.48 | zeno | mount that drive from another running ubuntu WattOS. Any ideas how I could use that to upgrade the debian drive ? |
| 06:12.35 | Sicelo | thanks EagleRock. :) |
| 06:13.17 | rigved | hi everyone...i am installing debian squeeze via the dhcp-pxe-tftp method. the installer gets the /dists/stable/Release file successfully. but after that, it gets stuck. the error is /dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Release file is unsigned. can any one tell me what's going wrong here? i am using the debian 6 dvd 1 file (which i downloaded via the official torrent) for the installation. |
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| 06:25.49 | zeno | After a recent upgrade I get keybd & mouse frozen at gdm, alt-ctrl-f* does |
| 06:26.05 | zeno | rigved: why the dhcp-pxe-tftp method ? |
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| 06:26.52 | nutron | I have a feeling one of my hard drives in a raid is performing excruciatingly slow. No dmesg output, how can I diagnose a possible faulty disk? |
| 06:27.04 | nutron | smartctl shows me nothing out of the ordinary |
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| 06:29.38 | rigved | zeno: it's to setup a machine in my college without a cd-rom. i'll be using this machine for a linux workshop being conducted in my college. the professor teaching this is using centos, but i have requested him that i'll be working on debian, cause i have been using this as well as ubuntu for over a year now |
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| 06:30.56 | zeno | Hmm .. I did that some time ago. From my experience, some of the most knowledgable people on that are at #ltsp .. |
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| 06:31.57 | zeno | Give them a go. I don't know if Mike Mquillan (spelling ?) is still there. |
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| 06:44.04 | Raptors | Hey |
| 06:44.19 | centHOGG | hola |
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| 06:44.30 | Raptors | Is there a way to figure out what filetype this compressed file is? |
| 06:44.31 | EagleRock | howdy |
| 06:44.49 | Raptors | I downloaded it and it says its rar but I tried to extract it, it says its not a rar :/ |
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| 06:45.09 | EagleRock | Raptors: are you sure it's not corrupt? |
| 06:45.49 | Raptors | There is no .sfv so I can't be sure :/ |
| 06:45.53 | Strife89 | drops in, spots the word "Raptors", and ducks for cover. :) |
| 06:46.44 | Raptors | it is a 15GB files though. I can't redownload it |
| 06:46.56 | Raptors | I guess I'm stuff |
| 06:48.05 | EagleRock | Raptors: I can't imagine it would be a different compressed file type if it was labeled with .rar |
| 06:48.27 | madrik | Raptors: Did you try using 'file' on it? |
| 06:48.39 | Raptors | yes, it just says "data" |
| 06:48.59 | dsm | It should say "RAR archive data" |
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| 06:49.13 | Raptors | so its corrupted? |
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| 06:50.00 | Raptors | hmm one of the other rar files says rar data |
| 06:50.12 | Raptors | I guess some of the files are corrupted |
| 06:50.32 | EagleRock | Raptors: it's probably corrupt. Did your source provide CRC values for the files? |
| 06:50.58 | Raptors | No. I'll use "file" on all the files to see which are corrupted |
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| 06:51.32 | dsm | "unrar l [filename]" will also show the contents of a .rar |
| 06:52.14 | Raptors | looks like only the first file is corrupted |
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| 06:53.51 | [gnubie] | waves |
| 06:54.12 | EagleRock | swims for shore |
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| 06:54.35 | [gnubie] | i have a wildcard certificate from cacert.org and it expired yesterday. how am i going to renew it? |
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| 06:57.33 | cantido | [gnubie]: renew it at cacert.org.. |
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| 06:58.17 | [gnubie] | cantido: yes. but which part of their website? sorry for the OT |
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| 06:58.43 | cantido | You generate a new CSR etc and get it signed IIRc |
| 06:58.56 | cantido | they do have howtos AFAIK |
| 06:59.06 | dthree | cantido: can you help me to find a link to download debian lenny? |
| 06:59.29 | dthree | all debian 6.0 cant boot on my notebook :( |
| 07:00.07 | zeno | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.34 | dthree | rolf xD |
| 07:00.43 | zeno | Ha ! |
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| 07:01.33 | cantido | dthree: it should be on ftp.debian.org |
| 07:02.58 | dthree | cantido: do you try the win-loader? |
| 07:03.01 | dthree | its work well? |
| 07:03.51 | dsm | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.8/ |
| 07:04.17 | dsm | you can download lenny there |
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| 07:09.02 | dthree | dsm: thanks!! |
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| 07:11.15 | dsm | btw, if you are having trouble booting squeeze, you might try acpi=off or noapic |
| 07:11.40 | dsm | I get bother with buggy acpi, and that sometimes works |
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| 07:12.44 | dthree | dsm: the problem |
| 07:12.49 | dthree | is that apear this: Syslinux 3.82 2009-06-09 EBIOS copyright (c) 1994-2009 H. Peter Avin et al |
| 07:12.51 | dthree | and nothing more |
| 07:12.56 | dthree | :( |
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| 07:14.07 | dthree | i think that my notebook is incompatible with thomething :S but i dont know, i try: Debian-testing, Debian stable, in cd1, netsintall and live cd, all make the same i will try now with lenny |
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| 07:17.39 | Bhavicp | Hi all, Just wondering, anyone know how i can change the password for a user through bash? I've been googleing but can't find anything. |
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| 07:18.06 | dsm | passwd |
| 07:18.08 | EagleRock | Bhavicp: # passwd <user> |
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| 07:18.19 | Bhavicp | sorry, i ment through a script. |
| 07:18.21 | Bhavicp | bash script* |
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| 07:22.25 | vampi-the-frog | hi guys |
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| 07:22.46 | vampi-the-frog | i made a md device and mounted it but df -h says Avail=0 |
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| 07:23.02 | vampi-the-frog | even though it says Size=459G and Used=448G |
| 07:23.15 | vampi-the-frog | i suspect this is a df bug |
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| 07:23.44 | vampi-the-frog | /dev/md1 459G 448G 0 100% /root/md1 |
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| 07:32.38 | spope | is debian a good server production distro? |
| 07:32.49 | centHOGG | yessir |
| 07:33.04 | simonrvn | damn straight |
| 07:33.09 | spope | what are the major differences between centos and debian? |
| 07:33.18 | simonrvn | never used centos |
| 07:33.21 | centHOGG | well centos is red hat |
| 07:33.35 | centHOGG | is good, but not as later as debian |
| 07:33.51 | spope | as later as debian, what do you mean? |
| 07:33.51 | EagleRock | it's just a de-branded RHEL build |
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| 07:34.06 | spope | ok, but what does that really mean? |
| 07:34.07 | EagleRock | uses the .rpm package system as opposed to .deb |
| 07:34.18 | centHOGG | ok |
| 07:34.22 | spope | why does debian renamed httpd to apache? |
| 07:34.26 | centHOGG | like debian works on later hw |
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| 07:34.32 | centHOGG | centos is solid |
| 07:34.38 | cantido | spope: because there are other httpds |
| 07:35.01 | spope | so is the basica difference between the 2, just preference? |
| 07:35.02 | CruX| | hello, is any1 here using google calendar in command line ? how I can add event on 17 february at 13:00-14:00 ? this is not working: calendar add --cal=jojo 02/17/2011 13:00-14:00 'Lunch with Jim' |
| 07:35.05 | cantido | doesnt see how the same software on the same kernel can be more solid.. |
| 07:35.06 | centHOGG | like when you set up RAID and other stuff |
| 07:35.30 | cantido | spope: debians packaging system is just better and easier to work with |
| 07:35.39 | centHOGG | concur |
| 07:35.40 | EagleRock | spope: not quite...centos (redhat) is a corporate distro, while debian is community-developed |
| 07:35.51 | cantido | spope: either way, you get a linux kernel and most of the same software |
| 07:35.52 | centHOGG | I like em both |
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| 07:35.59 | vampi-the-frog | get him! stick doctrine up his choof! |
| 07:36.41 | spope | EagleRock, so what does the corp vs community really mean, how will it feel different? |
| 07:36.47 | cantido | rhel has that crappy chkconfig stuff too.. meh |
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| 07:37.15 | cantido | spope: its the same software.. debian will have better integration of some thing, rhel/centos others.. |
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| 07:37.36 | centHOGG | like if it doesn't work on one, try the other (simple) |
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| 07:37.45 | centHOGG | sound |
| 07:37.53 | cantido | the software should work on both |
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| 07:38.03 | EagleRock | spope: it won't "feel" different, but the two distros have different focuses |
| 07:38.11 | centHOGG | i don't really use yum |
| 07:38.21 | centHOGG | like debian style better |
| 07:38.28 | spope | EagleRock, ok, what are those different focuses? |
| 07:38.34 | cantido | distros like rhel usually have a more "put together" feel.. but I personally dont like being forced to use a set of software |
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| 07:39.00 | EagleRock | Redhat's focus is to provide a stable server platform that companies can get behind. They also sell support for the distro |
| 07:39.15 | EagleRock | CentOS is the debranding of the premium distro |
| 07:39.28 | centHOGG | y |
| 07:39.37 | spope | so debian doesnt focus on beind stable? |
| 07:39.39 | spope | : ) |
| 07:39.39 | EagleRock | Debian's focus is to provide free software (free as in freedom) as well as be the universal operating system |
| 07:39.42 | cantido | they also sell application servers etc.. which of course will integrate nicely into their platform |
| 07:39.50 | cantido | spope: what do you mean by stable |
| 07:39.59 | cantido | do you mean "not crash"? |
| 07:40.18 | spope | cantido, I guess the same thing EagleRock means when he says redhats is stable |
| 07:40.32 | EagleRock | spope: well, I didn't say Debian wasn't stable either |
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| 07:40.39 | spope | i know |
| 07:40.41 | cantido | spope: any work redhat do to their kernels that isnt insane ends up in the main source.. |
| 07:40.44 | EagleRock | but the Debian Project doesn't sell support |
| 07:40.48 | cantido | spope: and would end up in debian |
| 07:41.21 | EagleRock | either distro is super-stable IMO |
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| 07:41.28 | EagleRock | they just approach it from different ways |
| 07:41.32 | cantido | redhat sell support contracts, so if you have an issue you can blame someone and have SLA's etc.. that doesnt mean that the exact same source code compiled and shipped by them is magically different |
| 07:41.33 | centHOGG | y |
| 07:42.43 | cantido | debian uses basically the same kernel, toolchains etc.. so other than packaging style, config etc and overall integration of software there isnt a major about of difference |
| 07:42.48 | centHOGG | kernel age |
| 07:43.25 | EagleRock | of course, with Debian, you get releases named after Toy Story characters ;-) |
| 07:43.26 | cantido | s/about/amount/ |
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| 07:44.11 | centHOGG | spope: y'know those big hdd now? |
| 07:44.24 | cantido | I'm not sure why you would use centos though.. RHEL is good if your boss wants SLA's etc, centos doesnt have that. |
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| 07:44.45 | spope | im getting this on apt-get update |
| 07:44.46 | spope | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:45.06 | EagleRock | CentOS is good if you are used to RHEL but don't want to pay for it...keeps the systems easier to maintain, as they are all basically teh same |
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| 07:45.25 | simonrvn | !security key |
| 07:45.27 | cantido | spope: you need to import the archive keys |
| 07:45.35 | simonrvn | !security |
| 07:45.35 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>. |
| 07:45.44 | EagleRock | e.g. a company might use centos for development platforms but RHEL for production systems |
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| 07:45.54 | cantido | EagleRock: you can also download RHEL directly from redhat ;) |
| 07:46.00 | simonrvn | forgot the factoid |
| 07:46.13 | spope | how do I import the archive keys |
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| 07:46.28 | cantido | EagleRock: if you sign up on redhats site though.. their reps will constantly call you and try to sell you contracts though |
| 07:46.34 | simonrvn | there's a package for it |
| 07:46.40 | simonrvn | spope: ^^ |
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| 07:46.52 | EagleRock | cantido: or do what my last company did: buy one copy of RHEL and simply rotate your one license among your 25 machines on RHN to keep them all updated :-) |
| 07:47.01 | spope | simonrvn, what do you mean? |
| 07:47.20 | simonrvn | spope: there's a keyring package for stable and testing |
| 07:47.30 | simonrvn | er, stable |
| 07:47.36 | cantido | simonrvn: he's runny lenny I think.. |
| 07:47.56 | simonrvn | still applies |
| 07:48.00 | spope | how do I get it for stable? |
| 07:48.14 | simonrvn | !keyring |
| 07:48.14 | dpkg | from memory, keyring is a circular ring of metal for holding keys... in the context of Debian, the public GPG keys. |
| 07:48.20 | simonrvn | bah |
| 07:48.46 | simonrvn | install debian-archive-keyring |
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| 07:49.16 | simonrvn | then you'll need to re-run the update. it will then not give you errors |
| 07:49.22 | spope | install: missing destination file operand after `debian-archive-keyring' |
| 07:49.38 | simonrvn | um, aptitude install debian-archive-keyring |
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| 07:49.58 | spope | this is for stable? |
| 07:50.08 | simonrvn | that wasn't a command the first i said ;) |
| 07:50.09 | cantido | you're not running stable.. |
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| 07:50.23 | cantido | http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release: << |
| 07:50.25 | simonrvn | lenny is oldstable, but it has the key for that too |
| 07:50.46 | cantido | thought the archive keys package was automagically installed now |
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| 07:51.52 | vampi-the-frog | hi guys i just made a raid partition with mdadm, how can i list information about it? |
| 07:52.08 | vega- | can the replacement for debian volatile be used in old-stable (ie. squeeze-updates) ? |
| 07:52.09 | cantido | man mdadm |
| 07:52.19 | vega- | referring to this news: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110215 |
| 07:52.20 | vampi-the-frog | cantido: i looked but i couldn't figure it out |
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| 07:52.47 | cantido | mdadm --detail /dev/md? I think |
| 07:53.22 | vampi-the-frog | oh that looks great |
| 07:53.29 | vampi-the-frog | what is raid number? |
| 07:53.40 | cantido | vampi-the-frog: level number? |
| 07:53.44 | vampi-the-frog | no |
| 07:53.48 | vampi-the-frog | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.48 | vampi-the-frog | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.48 | vampi-the-frog | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.53 | vampi-the-frog | first col |
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| 07:54.48 | cantido | no idea.. my disks are 0 and 1, did you add a new disk to the array? |
| 07:55.00 | vampi-the-frog | yes it was first just sdb3 and then i added sda3 |
| 07:55.08 | cantido | maybe its the number of the disk in the array, so 2 is the third disk that has been in the array |
| 07:55.15 | vampi-the-frog | second |
| 07:55.17 | vampi-the-frog | :P |
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| 07:55.24 | cantido | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:55.37 | cantido | shouldt have pasted.. |
| 07:55.39 | vampi-the-frog | oh |
| 07:55.46 | vampi-the-frog | your looks more logical |
| 07:55.47 | cantido | anyhow.. as you can see, its counting from 0 |
| 07:55.58 | vampi-the-frog | yeah i've no idea |
| 07:56.01 | vampi-the-frog | as long as it works :> |
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| 07:57.38 | cantido | vampi-the-frog: I also built that array while the machine was running.. so thats why sdb1 was first in |
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| 07:58.26 | cantido | I installed to sda, built a raid1 with a missing disk on sdb.. copied everything across, rebooted and used the new raid1 as root and then added sda.. |
| 07:58.38 | cantido | which is scary stuff on a machine thats on the other side of the world |
| 07:59.16 | vampi-the-frog | oh i did it the other way around i started with sdb1 |
| 07:59.20 | vampi-the-frog | sdb3 * |
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| 07:59.27 | vampi-the-frog | and this is a data partition |
| 07:59.34 | vampi-the-frog | so next up i'll do the same thing to the boot partition |
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| 07:59.51 | vampi-the-frog | but i'll be right next to the machine when doing this :P |
| 07:59.55 | cantido | vampi-the-frog: grub doesnt like installing to arrays that arent complete.. keep that in mind |
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| 08:00.32 | vampi-the-frog | i think i can wait for it to complete |
| 08:00.51 | vampi-the-frog | maybe if i do a cd-rom boot |
| 08:00.53 | cantido | vampi-the-frog: boot isn't a big problem.. moving root is ;) |
| 08:00.56 | centHOGG | concur cantido |
| 08:01.13 | vampi-the-frog | i was thinking |
| 08:01.25 | vampi-the-frog | of booting a rescue disk and moving the hdd root with it |
| 08:01.27 | cantido | vampi-the-frog: if you have a cdrom use the installer disc to do it.. |
| 08:01.32 | vampi-the-frog | yeah |
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| 08:01.59 | cantido | and at least then you have something bootable if you can't boot of off the raid |
| 08:02.11 | Jimmy89 | how do I disable mail forwarding on my debian machine? It seems to be currently set to email messages for root externally |
| 08:02.37 | zeno | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:03.22 | zeno | vampi-the-frog: have you got pointer/kbd frozen at gdm on boot ? |
| 08:03.53 | vampi-the-frog | no, why do you ask me this? |
| 08:04.02 | cantido | Jimmy89: check /etc/alias |
| 08:04.12 | cantido | aliases |
| 08:04.57 | zeno | It's my current problem. Can't get into a tty with net acces and am thinking of booting via live CD. |
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| 08:05.23 | vampi-the-frog | zeno: try installer cd in rescue mode or live cd or whatever |
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| 08:06.18 | zeno | Yep, sounds like the way to. I'll have to get some sleep first. zzz |
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| 08:07.41 | Jimmy89 | just has each user : root and mailer-daemon: postmaster |
| 08:08.01 | cantido | Jimmy89: are you running exim? |
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| 08:08.16 | cantido | exim4 -bt root .. it will tell you what it is doing |
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| 08:08.39 | vampi-the-frog | well you could telnet to his IP :D |
| 08:08.48 | Jimmy89 | yes it is sent via my gmail atm |
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| 08:09.08 | Jimmy89 | I want to turn that off as I am getting an email everytime a cronjob of mine fails |
| 08:09.14 | vampi-the-frog | isn't gmail the default host or something? |
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| 08:09.26 | cantido | Jimmy89: Thats a feature.. |
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| 08:09.44 | cantido | you have MAILTO= in cron too |
| 08:09.49 | lbs | hi, since I recently update my system, I got "Unable to mount [], Not Authorized" when mounting from nautilus. Could anyone help? |
| 08:10.35 | ABLomas | hello, after upgrading lenny --> squeeze, mdadm fails to recognize arrays in mdadm.conf file - it says "invalid name for md device", but "mdadm -D /dev/big" still shows all details, and array is still working (afraid to reboot ;-) |
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| 08:12.28 | shashi_ | i cant install debian 6.0 on pentium 3, with 600MHz , 512 Mb Ram |
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| 08:12.39 | shashi_ | it stuck on main page |
| 08:12.42 | centHOGG | shashi_: hilarious |
| 08:12.46 | shashi_ | ya |
| 08:12.50 | cantido | shashi_: what is the problem? |
| 08:13.23 | centHOGG | old hw > puppy linux |
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| 08:13.50 | cantido | centHOGG: I'm running unstable on a 266mhz machine with 64mb of ram.. and its not x86 |
| 08:14.07 | centHOGG | kewl |
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| 08:14.33 | cantido | ram is the main problem if anything |
| 08:14.33 | centHOGG | i've got like 5 old rigs |
| 08:14.50 | shashi_ | cantido: when i select install option my screen starts jumping |
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| 08:15.32 | cantido | shashi_: graphical or text? |
| 08:15.53 | cantido | centHOGG: http://www.imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=3436 -- debian on my desk ;) |
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| 08:16.36 | shashi_ | graphical |
| 08:16.42 | cantido | shashi_: try the text option |
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| 08:17.05 | centHOGG | too kewl! |
| 08:17.15 | shashi_ | ya one thing i get two options one is 1) install 2) graphical install |
| 08:17.27 | cantido | shashi_: I think its 1 |
| 08:17.31 | shashi_ | i tried both i got the same problem |
| 08:17.54 | cantido | shashi_: does it not give you the text interface.. lots of blue with characters? |
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| 08:18.36 | cantido | centHOGG: the power switch is taped on to make it more ghetto |
| 08:18.48 | centHOGG | badass |
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| 08:20.34 | noodles900 | [C |
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| 08:21.05 | ABLomas | well, nobody expierenced problem, that squeeze-mdadm disallow custom device names? |
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| 08:21.35 | vega- | can the replacement for debian volatile be used in old-stable (ie. squeeze-updates) ? |
| 08:21.42 | vega- | referring to this news: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110215 |
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| 08:21.59 | vega- | or how does one get updates to clamav in oldstable, for instance |
| 08:22.05 | centHOGG | cantido: have any apples or macs? |
| 08:22.07 | oOarthurOo | quick question, need a pdf or odt of this for printing/reading offline: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ |
| 08:22.10 | centHOGG | i got some old ones |
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| 08:22.30 | oOarthurOo | any tool to quickly turn all those html links into something printable or editable? |
| 08:22.36 | oOarthurOo | offline |
| 08:22.39 | cantido | centHOGG: I had a x86 mac.. got killed by a pint of cider. Pain in the arse to keep debian running on |
| 08:22.58 | centHOGG | i have motorola and power pc macs |
| 08:23.01 | centHOGG | oldies |
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| 08:23.29 | cantido | centHOGG: debian m68k would be interesting to play with, but I'm not going to install debian on anything with less than 64mb of ram |
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| 08:25.16 | centHOGG | also it's hard to get a copy |
| 08:25.24 | cantido | debian m68k? |
| 08:25.33 | centHOGG | yeah old debian |
| 08:25.45 | cantido | I thought someone had recently managed to bring it back to life.. |
| 08:25.51 | cantido | look on debian-ports.org I think |
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| 08:26.08 | cantido | http://www.debian.org/ports/m68k/ |
| 08:26.42 | centHOGG | iv'e got them sitting in the garage |
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| 08:27.45 | cantido | centHOGG: donate them as buildd's so that the single person that runs m68k can install the latest kde quicker? ;) |
| 08:27.54 | centHOGG | heh |
| 08:28.04 | centHOGG | I got them free :) |
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| 08:31.34 | wl_winky | ? |
| 08:32.12 | wl_winky | æ人å¨å |
| 08:33.11 | cantido | ã±ã¼ãï¼ |
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| 08:33.40 | wl_winky | what? |
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| 08:33.49 | cantido | cake! |
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| 08:36.01 | Andorin | I torrented the live installer for Debian Squeeze with GNOME. I'm trying to use Ubuntu's Startup Disk Creator tool to add it to my flash drive. However, right at the end I get this error: "An uncaught exception was raised: Invalid version string 'GNU/Linux'" |
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| 08:41.55 | Bushmills | seems there is a bug in that Ubuntu Startup Disk Creator tool |
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| 08:43.28 | Andorin | Can I create the disk from a Debian system? I have Squeeze installed on my laptop |
| 08:43.45 | ntsasng | how to active grub after install windows 7? |
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| 08:44.06 | ntsasng | is it same http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-restore-grub-boot-loader-after-installing-windows.html? |
| 08:44.15 | ABLomas | well, after reading mdadm source code changes - new mdadm does not allow (lenny mdadm still works) device names in "/dev/name" format - only "/dev/md/name". May break configurations, working from old times... |
| 08:44.30 | ABLomas | going to fix all configs... |
| 08:44.30 | ntsasng | i need help |
| 08:44.47 | ntsasng | i'm using Debian squeeze |
| 08:45.01 | EagleRock | !tell ntsasng about fixmbr |
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| 08:46.30 | cantido | wonders who thought it was a good idea to disable lighttpd's accesslog by default |
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| 08:46.44 | dhtree | cantido: |
| 08:46.48 | dhtree | do you remember my problem? |
| 08:47.12 | dhtree | debian 6 install problem? |
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| 08:47.53 | cantido | dhtree: you couldnt boot? |
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| 08:48.43 | dhtree | yes, iso linux mesagge ans stop here |
| 08:48.53 | dhtree | i'd tryed with lenny and bot well |
| 08:49.14 | dhtree | and i'd tryed with unestable and work well too |
| 08:49.22 | dhtree | i try with 6.0 and dont work :( |
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| 08:49.33 | dhtree | do you know what iso linux version have debian unestable? |
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| 08:49.50 | dhtree | becouse i think that the problem may be that my notebook is incompatible with isolinux 3.83 |
| 08:51.08 | dhtree | cantido: debian 6 for x64 works well :S |
| 08:51.13 | dhtree | and i386 not ÃS |
| 08:51.14 | dhtree | :S |
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| 08:51.17 | dhtree | wtf? xD |
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| 08:52.15 | cantido | dhtree: you mean amd64? |
| 08:52.42 | cantido | an ia64 laptop would be something special |
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| 08:53.11 | EagleRock | cantido: your lap would be burning all the time :-) |
| 08:53.22 | dhtree | cantido: yes, amd64 xd |
| 08:53.29 | dhtree | my notebook have a core 2 duo processor |
| 08:53.30 | dhtree | :S |
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| 08:56.16 | user___ | could anyone please post the output for "openssl s_client -connect imap.gmail.com:993 | openssl x509 -text | grep Issuer " I belive i'm seeing an mitm attack but not sure |
| 08:56.37 | mah454 | hello |
| 08:56.50 | mah454 | logrotate in squid not work ! why ? |
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| 08:57.33 | mah454 | I compile and installed squid with src package ... |
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| 08:58.01 | ABLomas | user___: ,--8<- |
| 08:58.01 | ABLomas | user___: | Issuer: C=US, O=Google Inc, CN=Google Internet Authority |
| 08:58.01 | ABLomas | user___: | CA Issuers - URI:http://www.gstatic.com/GoogleInternetAuthority/GoogleInternetAuthority.crt |
| 08:58.04 | ABLomas | user___: `-->8- |
| 08:58.05 | ABLomas | oops |
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| 08:58.15 | ABLomas | but do not forget - google has many servers around |
| 08:58.26 | ABLomas | sorry for multiline paste |
| 08:58.32 | user___ | ABLomas thank you |
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| 08:58.51 | user___ | I get FortiGate issuer and this is why I ask |
| 08:59.00 | ABLomas | he |
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| 08:59.10 | bonjoyee1 | user___: http://pastebin.com/T9in1Ypr |
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| 09:00.11 | little_owl1 | Hi, I have a set of Debian DVDs, is it possible to build a local repository? How should I generate a new repository data? |
| 09:00.18 | user___ | bonjoyee and ABlomas thank you |
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| 09:00.54 | bonjoyee | little_owl1: you can add the dvds to the apt sources.list.. |
| 09:00.59 | user___ | little_owl1 ,perhaps apt-mirror if you need a full mirror in the local net |
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| 09:02.04 | little_owl1 | user___: apt-mirror is usefull, but is it possible to use DVD set? |
| 09:02.05 | bonjoyee | little_owl1: or copy the *.deb packages from the dvd to a folder on disk and use dpkg-scanpackages to build the package metadata |
| 09:02.22 | little_owl1 | bonjoyee: bingo! |
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| 09:02.48 | little_owl1 | Thanks all, I am fairly new in Debian. |
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| 09:05.03 | bonjoyee | little_owl1: in fact i use dpkg-scanpackages so much that i have added an option to it to scan only the latest packages and DELETE the older ones..so you only have the most recent versions |
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| 09:07.49 | little_owl1 | bonjoyee: Yes, it is a really nice feature. |
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| 09:15.52 | bonjoyee | little_owl1: check http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1575915 post#19 |
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| 09:19.53 | Penix | wenas |
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| 09:20.34 | Penix | hey |
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| 09:24.24 | lucagiove | hello everybody |
| 09:24.35 | lucagiove | anyone has a good link for learning more about udev? |
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| 09:24.53 | lucagiove | because I've a little problem with it.. |
| 09:26.16 | shifty | anyone know why the smb: method seems to be missing from my CUPS install? |
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| 09:26.52 | lucagiove | this is my easy rule: http://pastie.org/1569820 for usb_modeswitch |
| 09:26.54 | lucagiove | http://bugs.endian.it/view.php?id=3374 |
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| 09:27.10 | lucagiove | it works like charm |
| 09:27.44 | lucagiove | but if i plug the modem while booting the udev rule is not applied :/ |
| 09:27.52 | lucagiove | any hints? |
| 09:28.33 | simonrvn | did you rehup udev ? |
| 09:28.41 | simonrvn | oh, you rebooted |
| 09:29.03 | simonrvn | check dmesg, syslog for any sign of it |
| 09:29.14 | Penix | wish I had this ten years ago |
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| 09:29.19 | Penix | hmm. wrong win |
| 09:29.26 | simonrvn | as a start, then start looking at the msgs |
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| 09:29.43 | lucagiove | simonrvn: good idea |
| 09:30.04 | lucagiove | it think the udev rules are not triggered I don't know if it's a matter of my rule.. |
| 09:30.33 | lucagiove | but I'll check the logs.. looking for hints.. |
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| 09:40.20 | karika200 | hi |
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| 09:40.42 | karika200 | In fact, what does the udisks-daemon? |
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| 09:41.30 | armetiz | I there, |
| 09:41.53 | armetiz | I want to disable TSO (TCP Segmentation Offload) permanently on a Debian 5.. Do you have any idea ? |
| 09:42.00 | karika200 | If I change the owner of the udisks service in the dbus config to my user, my gnome starts fine... but with the default settings(root is the owner of the service) wont start the gnome-panel |
| 09:42.30 | armetiz | To disable it, I'm using "ethtool -K eth0 tso off".. Do you know a permanent solution |
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| 09:43.51 | Shadur | armetiz: write an init script to do it at start? Or maybe there's a value you can set under /proc/sys somewhere. |
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| 09:44.34 | karika200 | armetiz: put that line into /etc/rc.local |
| 09:44.51 | armetiz | yes, I have think about a boot script |
| 09:45.11 | armetiz | But I want to be sure that a other solution, like /etc/sysctl.conf doesn't exist |
| 09:47.20 | armetiz | I just find a /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_tso_win_divisor |
| 09:47.33 | armetiz | but, this is not the purpose |
| 09:47.39 | ophiel | has anyone used a lenovo laptop with one of these stupid recovery partitions? |
| 09:47.52 | ophiel | and has experience ... deleting it |
| 09:47.55 | ophiel | :) |
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| 09:48.09 | ophiel | i wish to install debian there |
| 09:49.18 | shifty | ophiel: hope it's not like those U3 partitions on usb sticks that just keep regenerating! |
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| 09:49.40 | ophiel | nah i doubt that, my concern is that they have a custom MBR |
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| 09:49.50 | ophiel | and I think it might just break everything |
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| 09:50.03 | jelly | ophiel: Lenovo or Thinkpad brand? |
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| 09:50.08 | ophiel | Lenovo |
| 09:50.15 | jelly | I don't know then. |
| 09:50.25 | ophiel | jelly: :( |
| 09:50.57 | ophiel | well, if i can create my own really good backup, then i should be safe to experiment |
| 09:51.13 | ophiel | i suppose i could use ghost |
| 09:51.20 | jelly | the custom MBR code on my Thinkpad just facilitates booting into the recovery partition. If I wanted to delete it, no harm would be done from wiping that code |
| 09:51.51 | jelly | well, not wiping; replacing it with something more typical like grub |
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| 09:52.01 | ophiel | jelly: It's likely the same thing with lenovo |
| 09:52.23 | apollo13 | hmm that explains why I can't start my lenovo recovery partition :þ |
| 09:52.43 | ophiel | :D |
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| 09:53.20 | twinkie_addict | o/ |
| 09:53.33 | jelly | ophiel: exact setups can be model specific |
| 09:53.37 | ophiel | even stranger is that when you make a "rescue CD" with these, they do not contain the data, they point to the existing rescue partition |
| 09:53.47 | ophiel | i mean what a stupid design |
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| 09:54.10 | ophiel | so if your HD dies, you can't even restore from CD to a new disk |
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| 09:54.26 | apollo13 | well that wouldn't be such a problem |
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| 09:54.33 | apollo13 | but the don't ship a windows cd at all :/ |
| 09:54.33 | ophiel | lol |
| 09:54.38 | apollo13 | they* |
| 09:54.42 | ophiel | right true |
| 09:54.44 | korencia | !tell me releases |
| 09:54.56 | babilen | ophiel: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Rescue_and_Recovery (and the rest of that fine page) |
| 09:55.11 | babilen | !tell korencia -about selftell |
| 09:56.00 | ophiel | yeah i saw that page, but i wanted to see if anyone had actually tried it |
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| 09:56.22 | ophiel | i think i'll just try to make a proper backup, then experiment |
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| 09:58.59 | babilen | I haven't tried it in *ages* but os-prober picks up the recovery partition and creates a grub boot entry. The bios/boot-key-combo based method still works too if you wrie grub to the mbr |
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| 10:00.58 | johntramp | hi. is there any way i can downgrade adobe-flashplugin to the previous version? |
| 10:01.19 | johntramp | i am using testing repos if that makes any difference |
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| 10:01.41 | streuner_ | judd, versions adobe-flashplugin |
| 10:01.43 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'adobe-flashplugin' was found in i386. |
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| 10:02.16 | jelly | babilen: however, that way it doesn't work as advertised (using the special vendor key at boot) |
| 10:02.32 | jelly | babilen: at least not on some Thinkpads |
| 10:02.39 | johntramp | streuner_: what does that mean? |
| 10:02.41 | streuner_ | johntramp: adobereader-deu, just get the package of adobe |
| 10:03.06 | babilen | jelly: it does not? i tried it years ago and could boot the rescue and recovery something .. |
| 10:03.11 | streuner_ | johntramp: it almost works perfect, version 9.4 |
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| 10:03.40 | streuner_ | johntramp: any yes, they have a deb available |
| 10:04.13 | jelly | babilen: implementations are model specific. |
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| 10:04.45 | babilen | johntramp: The Debian package (flashplugin-nonfree) just downloads and installs the version that is available on the Adobe site. There is not a new version of flashplugin-nonfree for every adobe version ... you might have to download the libflashplayer.so yourself ... why do you want an old version anyway? |
| 10:05.05 | jelly | babilen: my Z60m requires original mbr code or the blue key does nothing |
| 10:05.23 | babilen | jelly: Quite likely. It works like this on my trusted t60, can't say anything about other models. |
| 10:05.47 | babilen | (or worked it has been years) |
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| 10:06.23 | johntramp | babilen: ok, i see. i want the old version because this one doesnt save the temp files to /tmp/FLASH* anymore, and my pc is too slow to play videos in the browser, so i have a script to have mplayer play the /tmp/ files instead |
| 10:07.27 | babilen | johntramp: Hmm, ok. You might be interested in a firefox plugin called "downloadhelper" or a program called youtube-dl |
| 10:07.33 | babilen | ,info youtube-dl |
| 10:07.34 | judd | No record of package 'youtube-dl' in squeeze/i386. |
| 10:07.40 | johntramp | i use youtube-dl |
| 10:07.40 | babilen | hmm |
| 10:07.50 | johntramp | but firefox is too slow, chromium is a bit better |
| 10:07.53 | Bastihase | pfff, http://debian.be just redirect to a porno site :( :( |
| 10:08.03 | streuner_ | judd, version flashplugin-nonfree |
| 10:08.15 | streuner_ | judd, versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 10:08.17 | judd | Package flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.3; wheezy/contrib: 1:2.8.3 |
| 10:08.19 | babilen | johntramp: ff4 is great |
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| 10:08.33 | itchi | hmm, there clive... to download from youtube... didn't followed the discussion |
| 10:09.08 | itchi | Bastihase: yeah man, kinda kinda sad!!! saw it a few days ago :( |
| 10:09.15 | streuner_ | dpkg, info youtube-dl |
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| 10:09.26 | babilen | streuner_: That package just downloads and installs whatever is available on the adobe site. in order to upgrade the flashplugin you have to "aptitude reinstall flashplugin-nonfree" -- Check "about:plugins" run the reinstall and see the difference (or not if no newer version is available) |
| 10:09.48 | dpkg | youtube-dl: (download videos from youtube), section web, is extra. Version: 2011.01.30-2 (sid), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 152 kB |
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| 10:10.00 | streuner_ | johntramp: ^^^^ listen what babilen told you |
| 10:10.20 | itchi | i use clive here, works ok |
| 10:10.26 | babilen | streuner_: I told *you* :) |
| 10:10.38 | streuner_ | haha |
| 10:11.16 | streuner_ | babilen: i use youtube-dl :-P |
| 10:11.39 | streuner_ | and i avoid everything else of flash :-) |
| 10:12.08 | johntramp | they all only work on a few sites though, not for eg videos on aljazeera.net |
| 10:12.55 | simonrvn | with a bit of work you can find the direct link for the video |
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| 10:13.23 | simonrvn | that's what those c(c)live and youtube-dl do for people |
| 10:13.25 | babilen | or just use downloadhelper |
| 10:13.50 | babilen | ah right, that doesn't work for every concivable site as well ... |
| 10:13.54 | johntramp | yeah but it was perfect before, i would just pause any video to let it buffer, then hit mod4+y to play the most recent /tmp/FLASH* video with mplayer -fs |
| 10:14.14 | simonrvn | well yes, i keep forgetting about those |
| 10:14.31 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 10:15.07 | streuner_ | whatever HTML stuff supports flash next, its a good idea ... |
| 10:16.07 | simonrvn | f**k flash, gimme <video> |
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| 11:14.35 | its-me-again | lol finally |
| 11:15.08 | its-me-again | sholmes: sont be put of if there is no chat going on here just ask your question and wait for a reply |
| 11:15.19 | its-me-again | sont = don't |
| 11:15.46 | sholmes | Feels like a clean, good smelling lobby. |
| 11:16.11 | jelly | !ask |
| 11:16.11 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 11:16.53 | sholmes | Is Debian good for beginners just as much as Ubuntu, or more so? |
| 11:17.03 | Bushmills | depends on the beginner |
| 11:17.19 | its-me-again | shogunx_: debian is more comand line based. |
| 11:17.19 | sholmes | Bushmills: the beginner is sexy |
| 11:17.26 | Cozminsky | sholmes: it's not too disimilar |
| 11:17.40 | jelly | sholmes: steeper learning curve. Is the beginner smart? |
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| 11:17.55 | sholmes | The beginner thinks he's smart |
| 11:18.03 | Zaraphrax | sholmes: it doesn't hold your hand as much |
| 11:18.03 | its-me-again | sholmes: this is not a pick up channel |
| 11:18.17 | sholmes | I'm talking about CLI based versions of both said distros |
| 11:18.39 | its-me-again | sho put /me first if you are not saying it. like this |
| 11:18.40 | sholmes | its-me-again: haha |
| 11:18.52 | its-me-again | thinks he is a smart plinux user |
| 11:18.53 | creamdog | one of the distros is based on the other distro, so.. |
| 11:18.59 | Zaraphrax | sholmes: CLI is pretty much the same from my experience |
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| 11:19.16 | EagleRock | sholmes: you'll find yourself eventually having to learn the CLI if you want to use Linux. Ubuntu tries to hide you from it, while Debian starts you off in the right direction, at least IMHO |
| 11:19.29 | its-me-again | shogunx_: if you know ubuntu comand line (terminal commands) they will work in debian |
| 11:19.44 | sholmes | Zaraphrax: so comparing both CLI version of debian and ubuntu, how would ubuntu hold your hand more so than debian? |
| 11:19.46 | Bushmills | sholmes: when i initially installed debian, i was disappointed. |
| 11:19.49 | babilen | Ubuntu does more automagic stuff and holds your hand a bit more. Also provides access to proprietary stuff without any moral ;) |
| 11:19.50 | jelly | its-me-again: your Tab key is misbehaving |
| 11:19.51 | stew | sholmes: debian can be setup to be very similar to ubuntu. one probably has more choices about how debian is setup, which could perhaps be not what a new user is looking for. |
| 11:20.31 | its-me-again | babilen: what do you mean by proprietary |
| 11:20.31 | sholmes | EagleRock: I'm already using CLI with ubuntu. In fact I wouldn't be using linux without the CLI -- the GUIs aren't to hot IMO. |
| 11:20.55 | its-me-again | jelly: no its not i just not press it enough times lol |
| 11:21.48 | its-me-again | sholmes: what do you want debian for |
| 11:22.19 | its-me-again | sholmes: and what do you use ubuntu for atm |
| 11:22.43 | sholmes | stew: is set up time longer with ubuntu? I mean, I can go into my VPS right now and install it in 1-5 minutes, but will it take me a while to get things configured? There wasn't really any configuration process with ubuntu other than needing to install certain web server software. |
| 11:22.57 | sholmes | its-me-again: hosting web applications |
| 11:23.23 | its-me-again | sholmes: such as |
| 11:23.24 | stew | sholmes: if you aren't using a gui, i'd expect things to be very similar from one to another |
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| 11:24.10 | sholmes | its-me-again: such as a LAMP stack or Node.js |
| 11:24.15 | Cozminsky | sholmes: debian and ubuntu are fairly similar, ubuntu's releases tend to be a little rockier, but once they're in the middle of a release it evens out. And if you want more modern stuff then unstable and testing do require more care than one of the 6 month releases of ubuntu |
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| 11:24.56 | sholmes | How about preinstalled shite? Is ubuntu preloaded with more stuff than Debain? |
| 11:25.10 | SexyKen | Hey guys - I'm trying to use Adaptec arcconf to update some firmware on seagate drives that have timeout issues. The arcconf util is asking for a chunk size...any ideas? |
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| 11:25.21 | sholmes | Is Debian more light-weight? |
| 11:25.22 | its-me-again | sholmes: kind of depends what you mean by that ] |
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| 11:25.34 | ikonia | its-me-again: does it ? how |
| 11:25.47 | EagleRock | sholmes: depends on what you select at installation time |
| 11:26.00 | sholmes | EagleRock: which version I select? |
| 11:26.04 | its-me-again | sholmes: the net install server edition of debian is verry light |
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| 11:26.14 | lix | Hi. How do I contact a package maintainer if his mailbox is full (over quota)? |
| 11:26.24 | Cozminsky | sholmes: if you install the gnome task in debian you'll get something similar to a default install of ubuntu desktop |
| 11:26.44 | sholmes | gnome task is GUI? |
| 11:26.46 | EagleRock | sholmes: it's all the same version, but you select "tasks" during the install for whatever functions you want on your system, such as a LAMP install, a desktop environment, etc. |
| 11:26.59 | ikonia | its-me-again: a net install version of ubuntu is very light |
| 11:27.07 | EagleRock | !tasksel |
| 11:27.07 | dpkg | tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>. http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 11:27.12 | its-me-again | am i right in saying that for server cli si better |
| 11:27.36 | its-me-again | or a lightweight de such as xfce |
| 11:27.41 | stew | sholmes: no, both debian and ubuntu will be similar, one won't be significantly different enough to call "light weight" |
| 11:28.06 | ikonia | its-me-again: it doesn't matter, desktop choice is personal preference |
| 11:28.09 | Bushmills | its-me-again: maybe it's better to say that for a server, an admin who doesn't need a GUI is better |
| 11:28.16 | sholmes | stew: do they have the same number of applications? |
| 11:28.28 | sholmes | They're both linux, so I suppose they're all compatible |
| 11:28.33 | its-me-again | Bushmills: ok then what is the best gui |
| 11:28.39 | stew | !best |
| 11:28.39 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 11:28.40 | its-me-again | for debian server |
| 11:28.49 | Bushmills | the one with the nicest colour on its box |
| 11:28.56 | stew | its-me-again: why would you use a gui on a server? |
| 11:28.58 | its-me-again | stew: i said best gui |
| 11:29.04 | ikonia | its-me-again: "best" it's personal choice |
| 11:29.15 | stew | its-me-again: what do you mean by best? |
| 11:29.24 | its-me-again | stew: it is as Bushmills just said to me |
| 11:29.27 | stew | its-me-again: i suppose our answer is probably going to end up being "none" |
| 11:29.46 | Cozminsky | what if your server is for vnc clients? |
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| 11:30.33 | stew | Cozminsky: i'm going to assume you are just yak shaving at this point |
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| 11:30.33 | its-me-again | ok i prefer a gui interface. so what is the best lightweight gui something like xfce, i know openbox dn fluxbox use alot of gnome things |
| 11:30.44 | stew | its-me-again: whichever you prefer |
| 11:31.01 | Cozminsky | stew: not yak shaving, but definitely chain yanking |
| 11:31.36 | EagleRock | its-me-again: there are many things to like about a DE/WM..it also depends on what you mean by lightweight |
| 11:31.53 | johntramp | my eth0 all of a sudden doesnt work anymore, all i get is endless eth0: Corrupted packet received, buffer status = .... have any of you seen that before? |
| 11:31.58 | EagleRock | xfce is lightweight, but ratpoison is lightweight on a whole different level |
| 11:32.05 | its-me-again | stew: i know probabbly cli is the best for servers. but a lightweight gui would be all i need. i prefer xfce myself |
| 11:32.10 | its-me-again | for lightweight |
| 11:32.28 | its-me-again | EagleRock: what si ratpoison |
| 11:32.37 | Cozminsky | its-me-again: xfce isn't all that lightweight anymore |
| 11:33.02 | EagleRock | !tell its-me-again about ratpoison |
| 11:33.07 | stew | and ratpoison can be a lot slower than one would expect |
| 11:33.16 | its-me-again | Cozminsky: ok then what are my lightweight options then |
| 11:33.33 | stew | because of the way for some operations its a shell script which is posting a command to a hidden window |
| 11:33.37 | its-me-again | what si ratpoison is it another linux gui |
| 11:33.43 | EagleRock | let's face it: choosing a DE/WM is about 84% conjecture at this point :-) |
| 11:33.44 | stew | its-me-again: its a window manager |
| 11:33.49 | Bushmills | xterm or terminator could be run as initial X client |
| 11:34.03 | EagleRock | for my money, I like LXDE, but you might not |
| 11:34.03 | Cozminsky | its-me-again: your window managers, rather than desktop environments, icewm, fluxbox, fvwm, ... |
| 11:34.03 | its-me-again | stew what does ratpoison run on then |
| 11:34.27 | sholmes | Is debian more efficient at memory handling than ubuntu? |
| 11:34.29 | its-me-again | lxde si similar to xfce in look adn feel |
| 11:34.40 | Bushmills | sholmes: that's a task of the linux kernel |
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| 11:34.50 | Cozminsky | sholmes: probably not |
| 11:35.18 | its-me-again | shogunx_: they use the same linux kernels |
| 11:35.26 | sholmes | Is there any reason for me to switch over to debian on my already installed ubuntu server? |
| 11:35.27 | EagleRock | sholmes: they use the same kernel. if you mean if one uses more memory or not, then that's up to what's installed on the system |
| 11:35.52 | Bushmills | sholmes: you're the one who should be able to answer that |
| 11:36.25 | EagleRock | sholmes: it sounds to me like you're looking for a reason to switch distros. Fact is, you could run a good Linux system with either distro, but you should ultimately go with what you like the most |
| 11:36.25 | its-me-again | sholmes: are you saying is there any benefits or advantages in doing so |
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| 11:37.02 | EagleRock | sholmes: also, you're in a #debian, not #ubuntu, so you know where people's biases will lead :-) |
| 11:37.03 | sholmes | EagleRock: I don't know which I like becaues the difference to me is very vague. |
| 11:37.11 | sholmes | its-me-again: yes |
| 11:37.12 | EagleRock | in #debian* |
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| 11:37.31 | stew | sholmes: probably little reason to switch unless you can tell us something about ubuntu that is bugging you |
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| 11:37.38 | Bushmills | well, you could correlate replies here with those you get from #ubuntu, by asking the same |
| 11:38.01 | stew | sholmes: it also might depend on if you are on a LTS release of debian and when you are planning to upgrade and things like that |
| 11:38.04 | its-me-again | EagleRock: i think sholmes is wanting the best linux server os adn is comparying ubuntu his current server os to debian. he wants to know if debian is better or more taylored |
| 11:38.11 | sholmes | I suppose I could just stay with ubuntu for now see how well it goes. |
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| 11:38.22 | its-me-again | sholmes: then ask that |
| 11:38.25 | EagleRock | sholmes: the big difference between the two is that Debian is a first-tier distro, and ubuntu is dependent on debian |
| 11:38.55 | sholmes | its-me-again: yes that's what I'm saying/asking |
| 11:39.01 | Cozminsky | unless you're talking about the small subset of packages that they care about |
| 11:39.19 | EagleRock | if you're not really interested in Ubuntu's fancy-schmancy GUI tools, nor are interested in looking to Canonical for support, there's really nothing Ubuntu offers that Debian does not |
| 11:39.30 | its-me-again | EagleRock: ok so to maximise the use of the server (the most out of it) is debian a better choice than ubuntu ??? |
| 11:39.42 | ikonia | its-me-again: maximise the use of the serve ? |
| 11:39.45 | ikonia | they are the same kernel ! |
| 11:39.47 | ikonia | they are the same gnu tools |
| 11:39.50 | ikonia | it's how you configure it |
| 11:40.08 | ikonia | how many times do you need telling |
| 11:40.13 | EagleRock | its-me-again: the only way I can answer that is to mention that Debian has more precompiled packages to offer than ubuntu...that's about it |
| 11:40.19 | EagleRock | but they can otherwise run the same exact software |
| 11:41.05 | its-me-again | sholmes: did you get what EagleRock just said ^ |
| 11:41.08 | sholmes | if all GUI aside, Ubuntu and Debian are roughly the same CLI-wise, then why should I was time re-installing and re-configuring my server? |
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| 11:41.37 | Bushmills | we don't know, you tell us. |
| 11:41.56 | ikonia | its-me-again: he's in the same channel he doesn't need you repeating things for him |
| 11:41.59 | vampi-the-frog | amaze us |
| 11:42.09 | ikonia | he's asking more sensible questions than you, so stop trying to teach him by proxy |
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| 11:42.23 | its-me-again | Bushmills: alot of people in #linux recommend debian as one of the best os for a server over even ubuntu |
| 11:42.43 | vampi-the-frog | ubuntu = large disappointment for me |
| 11:42.49 | sholmes | ikonia: he's just trying to help. |
| 11:42.56 | EagleRock | its-me-again: what I mean is that the official ubuntu repos have about 3K packages in them, while debian repos have almost 30K |
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| 11:42.57 | Bushmills | its-me-again: and some probably favour something else. |
| 11:42.59 | sholmes | or, be helpful even. |
| 11:43.48 | its-me-again | Bushmills: i think sholmes just wants to know if there is any benifit in moving if basically both os are the same. |
| 11:43.51 | sholmes | EagleRock: but of course you can manually install more applications with ubunut? |
| 11:43.55 | EagleRock | but if I had to make an honest suggestion, I'd try debian in a virtual machine or a spare box so you can compare and contrast |
| 11:44.13 | Bushmills | its-me-again: than he should present as with a list of things important to him, rather than lets us think up reasons for him to change |
| 11:44.16 | EagleRock | sholmes: yes, but you'd have to either find the packages yourself, find an unofficial repository, or compile them yourself |
| 11:44.17 | Bushmills | us |
| 11:45.06 | sholmes | EagleRock: no chance to apt-get? |
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| 11:45.10 | lukosanthropos | Hi guys |
| 11:45.33 | ikonia | sholmes: what are the odds that you won't be able to find something you want to use in 3K of packages ? |
| 11:45.37 | ikonia | sholmes: what do you want to run on this server |
| 11:45.38 | EagleRock | sholmes: not if it's not in the ubuntu repos, or in a third-party repo you can find |
| 11:45.40 | vampi-the-frog | ubu-nut |
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| 11:46.21 | Cozminsky | universe takes most of the debian packages, the real difference is release cycle and the fact that upgrades between LTS releases (which is probably what you want for a server) aren't tested as well as the 6 month releases in ubuntu |
| 11:46.25 | sholmes | ikonia: just a pretty basic web application with high concurrency |
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| 11:46.34 | its-me-again | sholmes: can i pm you |
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| 11:47.10 | ikonia | sholmes: ok, so then you won't really see a difference between ubuntu and debian as they are the same OS with the same core web application packages (apache/mysql/php/perl/etc) |
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| 11:47.31 | Cozminsky | whereas the debian releases, which are on a similar timescale to LTS are very thorougly tested and not released until deemed ready |
| 11:47.47 | sholmes | ikonia: think that concludes it then. |
| 11:48.57 | ikonia | if that's the bulk of your need, it's pretty much the same |
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| 11:51.10 | sholmes | ikonia: yeah I'm pretty much just doing LAMP stuff and Node.js |
| 11:52.34 | ikonia | sholmes: you'll be fine with either, it's about how you set them up rather than the "differences" |
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| 11:55.23 | babilen | sholmes: Why don't you just try it? It is just one "aptitude install virtualbox-ose" + installation away ... Make up your own mind. Another huge advantage of Debian is that you get support in #debian ;) |
| 11:55.59 | babilen | sholmes: And start with a minimal system and built it from there (no desktop task) -- that way you really get a good feeling for Debian |
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| 11:56.49 | its-me-again | ikonia: good that advice is spot on. you know your stuff |
| 11:56.52 | ethanol | I basically see it like this: debian = server #1, ubuntu = desktop #1 |
| 11:56.59 | sholmes | babilen: there's a minimal option for my VPS control panel |
| 11:57.09 | its-me-again | ethanol: good point |
| 11:57.19 | babilen | sholmes: Ah, we are talking about a server here? |
| 11:57.34 | babilen | ethanol: I beg to differ, but that are just personal preferences |
| 11:57.41 | ethanol | babilen, of course it is :) |
| 11:57.44 | sholmes | bebilen: yes servesr |
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| 12:00.57 | mutante | on lenny, 32bit , cant just "apt-get install mysql-server": mysql-server depends on mysql-server-5.0; however: Package mysql-server-5.0 is not configured yet. dpkg: error processing mysql-server (--configure): Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! ...etc |
| 12:01.04 | babilen | sholmes: Ok, than virtualbox is not the best option. I would use Debian on every server, but I have not enough experience with Ubuntu to argue about it. |
| 12:01.18 | ethanol | mutante, configuration error, check syslog |
| 12:01.22 | ethanol | mutante, fix your my.cnf |
| 12:01.39 | mutante | ethanol: surprising i have one before installing the package.. checking thouhg |
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| 12:02.48 | themill | mutante: it might be handy if you pastebin the entire output rather than just some of it |
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| 12:09.52 | its-me-again | sholmes: pm |
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| 12:11.36 | mutante | themill: http://pastebin.com/wGNXjEp5 |
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| 12:13.51 | dreamer | hmmm, I'm trying out BALLview on squeez, but regularly it crashes with a "QGLShaderProgram: could not create shader program". I couldn't find much about this, other than it might be buggy videodrivers. I have nvidia drivers 195.36.31 built with module assistant |
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| 12:26.56 | dreamer | hmmm, direct rendering seems to be off. I have to check this later .. |
| 12:27.24 | classical | i have broken package error can someone help me ? http://pastebin.com/0qdwJ362 |
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| 12:31.14 | babilen | ,versions dia-common |
| 12:31.17 | judd | Package dia-common on i386 -- lenny: 0.96.1-7.1; lenny-backports: 0.97-2~bpo50+1; sid: 0.97.1-7; squeeze: 0.97.1-7; wheezy: 0.97.1-7 |
| 12:31.52 | babilen | classical: "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy dia-gnome dia-common" â http://paste.debian.net |
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| 12:32.12 | classical | xok_, ? |
| 12:32.50 | babilen | Please run the command I gave you (in "") and paste it to the site :) |
| 12:33.01 | babilen | s/it/the output |
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| 12:33.23 | Tuinslak | hey, can I masquerade on a virtual interface address (eth1:0) ? |
| 12:33.38 | Tuinslak | iptables seems to give me an error |
| 12:33.58 | Devastator | Tuinslak no, only vlans |
| 12:34.01 | Tuinslak | the machine has just one accessible NIC, and it's running openvpn |
| 12:34.02 | classical | babilen, http://pastebin.com/YBr7BupW http://pastebin.com/J8v0A381 :) |
| 12:34.03 | Devastator | this is an alias |
| 12:34.23 | Tuinslak | any way to solve this ? |
| 12:34.55 | babilen | classical: It wasn't necessary to execute two commands, but thank you |
| 12:35.20 | Devastator | modprobe 8021q; vconfig add eth1 1; iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1.1 -j MASQUERADE |
| 12:35.29 | classical | babilen, so what can i do with this ? :) |
| 12:35.35 | Tuinslak | the layout is like this: public_ip > cisco firewall > lan_ip > openvpn-server -- but every vpn client should be able to access all IPs in the lan + certain other static routes |
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| 12:36.13 | Devastator | Tuinslak you are better asking thins in ##networking, not really a debian related question |
| 12:36.23 | Devastator | s/thins/this |
| 12:36.28 | Tuinslak | oki, thanks |
| 12:36.32 | Cozminsky | okay, I know how to see nfs server side locks on a netapp, but what about linux? |
| 12:36.48 | babilen | classical: You have a mixture of "stable" and "lenny" in your sources list. The current stable release of Debian is "Squeeze" -- I would recommend to upgrade to Squeeze. It is quite likely that you have a strange miz right now. What is the last line of "dpkg -l libc6" ? |
| 12:36.58 | babilen | !tell classical -about squeeze release notes |
| 12:37.08 | babilen | classical: The release notes contain detailed upgrade instructions |
| 12:38.18 | babilen | classical: If you want to stay with lenny, just replace "stable" with "lenny" in your sources.list, pray that you have no squeeze packages installed so far and stay there. /me would recommend the update though. It is a *very* bad idea to use "stable" (or testing fwiw) in your sources.list |
| 12:38.20 | sholmes | thanks guy, I'm going to bed |
| 12:38.25 | sholmes | peace |
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| 12:39.57 | classical | babilen, thanks for your help :) i did not notice this repo on my source list i prefer to stay on lenny :)) |
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| 12:41.28 | babilen | classical: could you run "dpkg -l libc6" and 'apt-show-versions | grep "/squeeze"' and paste the result? |
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| 12:42.10 | babilen | classical: Lenny will only be supported for another year. I would strongly recommend to upgrade. Why do you want to stay with lenny? |
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| 12:43.51 | classical | babilen, because i have an old computer |
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| 12:44.23 | classical | i will upgrade when i buy good hardware |
| 12:44.32 | babilen | classical: That is not necessarily a good reason. How "old" is old? Like 486 SX 25Mhz? ;) |
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| 12:45.02 | classical | babilen, haha nah not so old :) |
| 12:45.05 | Elirips | Hello all. What would you recommend to do the following task: Monitor a directory and its subdir(s), whenever a file in one of the monitored dirs changes, copy the changed file via ssh to some other machine |
| 12:45.23 | Cozminsky | Elirips: fileschanged |
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| 12:45.49 | Cozminsky | Elirips: or one of the replication things |
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| 12:46.29 | Bushmills | Elirips: lsyncd |
| 12:46.30 | babilen | classical: So how old? Ok, regardless of that discussion. I don't think that if you computer runs lenny that you'll have problems to run squeeze. It depends a bit on the software you use. I would still like to see the output of the commands I gave you earlier :) |
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| 12:47.08 | babilen | classical: What are your system specs? |
| 12:47.31 | Bushmills | or invoking scp from incron |
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| 12:48.17 | Elirips | Cozminsky, Bushmills thanks, i'll look into things |
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| 12:53.01 | Cozminsky | Elirips: unison was the one I was trying to think of |
| 12:54.05 | Cozminsky | Elirips: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_File_synchronization_software maybe |
| 12:54.38 | Elirips | Cozminsky, lol, this is funny |
| 12:55.15 | Elirips | Cozminsky, one of the tools in the list was started by me back in 2003, now I see its still alive. that makes this day a good day :D |
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| 12:55.40 | qknight | is there a way in debian to prove that the source-code was not altered before the binary was shipped? something like, hey i don't trust you, so i recompile the code and look for differences. |
| 12:55.46 | Elirips | Cozminsky, anyway, thanks |
| 12:56.01 | hans_ | hello, what is the name of the configuration-file for 'System->Administration->Services' ? when i click on Services, i'm getting the answer : configuration not found, unknown error |
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| 12:58.04 | classical | babilen, pentium 4 2.6 ghz with 1 gb ram |
| 12:58.32 | babilen | classical: That is more than enough. Could you paste the output of those commands? |
| 12:58.45 | classical | babilen, if you do not use gui you can run ubuntu too :-D |
| 12:58.46 | fossala | I am trying to set up an ftp server with proftpd. I can login in localy with it fine, But when I try thought the interweb (ddns) it fails log in. any ideas? |
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| 12:59.00 | classical | babilen, which commands ? :) |
| 12:59.54 | Cozminsky | so anyone know how I can get around this locking problem with iceweasel. It crashed and now it's coming up with Iceweasel is already running... |
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| 13:00.19 | Cozminsky | I've already deleted lock from profile directory |
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| 13:00.35 | Cozminsky | nfs home directory though |
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| 13:02.53 | babilen | classical: could you run "dpkg -l libc6" and 'apt-show-versions | grep "/squeeze"' and paste the result? |
| 13:02.58 | babilen | classical: those ^^^ |
| 13:03.32 | HackeMate | hello |
| 13:03.33 | classical | babilen, yes sure ;) |
| 13:03.40 | classical | babilen, yes sure :)* |
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| 13:05.55 | classical | babilen, http://pastebin.com/51P7HcV4 |
| 13:06.38 | Cozminsky | aha, .parentlock, sneaky buggers |
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| 13:07.51 | babilen | classical: ok, that looks good. what about the other one? |
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| 13:09.21 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 13:09.51 | HackeMate | hello, what is wrong here http://pastebin.com/WbquMC8R |
| 13:10.13 | HackeMate | when i enalbe the SSL options i cant access the server unless i use server:80/webdav |
| 13:10.32 | classical | babilen, it does not have output and seems that there is no apt-show-versions command |
| 13:11.03 | stew | HackeMate: since it is listening to port :80 and not the default https port of :443, you'd have to specify the port when using https, yes |
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| 13:11.22 | babilen | no output? could you run "apt-cache-show-versions| tail -10" please? Do you get output? |
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| 13:11.42 | stew | HackeMate: it doesn't make much sense to try to load mod_ssl after you use SSLEngine on, the SSLEngine directive will not exist if mod_ssl isn't already loaded |
| 13:11.47 | babilen | classical: It could just be that you don't have any squeeze packages installed yet (good thing) which is why it does not provide any output |
| 13:12.22 | HackeMate | shall i create a <virtualhost *:443> for the webdav directory? |
| 13:12.49 | HackeMate | or since 443 is the default, just leaving a virtualbox tag |
| 13:12.56 | stew | HackeMate: yes, and you'll have to add a Listen directive for port :443 outside this virtualhost definition (which is often done in ports.conf) |
| 13:13.07 | HackeMate | yes that part is done |
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| 13:13.10 | HackeMate | ok thank you, there i go |
| 13:13.18 | stew | i don't know what a virtualbox tag is |
| 13:13.30 | HackeMate | lol sorry, im stupid |
| 13:13.33 | HackeMate | i meant virtualhost |
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| 13:15.03 | babilen | classical: I still recommend to upgrade to squeeze (absolutely fine with your system). But if you don't want to do that right now, make sure that you replace every "stable" in your sources.list with "lenny" and that you run "aptitude update" afterwards ... |
| 13:15.54 | classical | babilen, yes i have just edited my source.list and i corrected it in proper time |
| 13:16.29 | classical | babilen, thanks you were very helpfull :)) |
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| 13:17.41 | babilen | classical: No problem. Have a nice day! :) |
| 13:18.19 | babilen | classical: You should be able to install dia-gnome without problems now (i think) |
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| 13:18.45 | kingdon | anyone familiar with lxc might have seen this error message before: |
| 13:19.02 | classical | babilen, yes i have already installed it :) |
| 13:19.08 | kingdon | can't initialize pseudo-tty, aborting |
| 13:19.39 | kingdon | it's pretty rough... i have to open enough xterms before I launch my lxc guests so that I don't have to open any more until the next time I'm going to reboot the host |
| 13:19.48 | kingdon | though actually i'm using urxvt |
| 13:20.55 | babilen | classical: marvelous :-D |
| 13:21.30 | kingdon | similar error with gnome-terminal |
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| 13:25.46 | xok_ | hello all.. |
| 13:26.00 | xok_ | I am willing to include h_264_streaming in lighttpd.... |
| 13:26.13 | xok_ | can anyone suggest anything how do I achieve this?... |
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| 13:31.12 | iluminator101 | is libreoffice in the repos??? |
| 13:31.25 | jelly | iluminator101: /msg judd versions libreoffice |
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| 13:32.01 | babilen | Hi all. Is somebody using rxvt-unicode-256color (sid) and has recommendations regarding it's terminfo. (c.f. #605951, #491812 (length restriction on TERM), #613226) |
| 13:32.21 | iluminator101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.27 | babilen | I am a bit lost and set TERM=rxvt-256color right now, but that does not feel completely right |
| 13:32.38 | babilen | iluminator101: you had a leading space in there |
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| 13:33.24 | iluminator101 | thats not the stable version |
| 13:33.26 | smacnay | iluminator101, it is in sid |
| 13:33.35 | babilen | I am considering "installing" the term{info,cap} from upstream and setting it manually in my bashrc ... |
| 13:33.54 | iluminator101 | sid meaning testing |
| 13:34.01 | jelly | !sid |
| 13:34.01 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 13:34.03 | StyXman | iluminator101: unstable |
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| 13:34.35 | babilen | Or can somebody recommend another terminal with 256 colour support where the maintainerââupstream relation is a bit better? |
| 13:34.39 | jelly | iluminator101: you asked whether it was in the repos. judd tells you which Debian repos it is in, if any |
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| 13:38.15 | jelly | iluminator101: compare eg. /msg judd versions libc6 |
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| 13:58.03 | HozsiNekedTesoka | ola bryder |
| 13:58.12 | HozsiNekedTesoka | ikonaia bro aloha my good friend:) |
| 13:58.19 | HozsiNekedTesoka | ikonia bro aloha my good friend:) |
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| 13:58.51 | stew | HozsiNekedTesoka: if you want to talk with ikonia, can you please do it privately? if you have debian related questions, please just ask them |
| 13:59.16 | HozsiNekedTesoka | stew brotha aloha to you && hozsanna to you |
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| 13:59.33 | HozsiNekedTesoka | where is the temperature sensors modules from debian 2.26 kernel? |
| 13:59.34 | stew | HozsiNekedTesoka: ahh, tuxkiller. haven't seen you in a while |
| 13:59.55 | HozsiNekedTesoka | What a stupid thingz some modules removed from kernel? |
| 14:00.20 | HozsiNekedTesoka | Yes, my name is da TUKSKILLAH |
| 14:00.31 | HozsiNekedTesoka | tukskillah && kdekillah |
| 14:00.51 | HozsiNekedTesoka | ikonia thieved the code of debian |
| 14:00.59 | HozsiNekedTesoka | ubuntu = fake |
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| 14:01.44 | stew | HozsiNekedTesoka: please keep your comments constructive and on-topic |
| 14:02.01 | HozsiNekedTesoka | stew bro: it is true:D |
| 14:02.20 | stew | HozsiNekedTesoka: whatever. please keep it out of this channel |
| 14:02.51 | HozsiNekedTesoka | what kind of channel here? |
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| 14:04.24 | stew | HozsiNekedTesoka: a debian end-user support channel |
| 14:05.00 | HozsiNekedTesoka | great |
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| 14:05.35 | HozsiNekedTesoka | i2c-isa kernel module wanted to us. what a stupid man removed from 2.26 kernel? |
| 14:05.58 | Develman | i have a problem, which ,might not be directly connected to debian, but I am searching for a solution and maybe someone has a hint for me. My pc does not start when no monitor is connected. |
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| 14:06.15 | Develman | it is a onboard card |
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| 14:07.30 | lucagiove | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:07.42 | lucagiove | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.00 | Develman | ok, which option might be the problem? |
| 14:08.12 | lucagiove | errors |
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| 14:08.19 | lucagiove | i don't remember |
| 14:08.32 | lucagiove | but for example the same happens with keyboard sometimes |
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| 14:08.45 | lucagiove | you have to select no errors somewhere |
| 14:08.50 | stew | HozsiNekedTesoka: it doesn't seem to be a config option in recent kernel's. I guess you need to be asking about the linux kernel in some kernel related channel, as it is not a debian specific issu |
| 14:08.59 | stew | HozsiNekedTesoka: and I'd strongly encourage you to not call people stupid |
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| 14:09.04 | Develman | ok thnx for your hint, now i need a monitor, to check the settings :D |
| 14:09.11 | lucagiove | i have this menu in my mind keyboard error etc |
| 14:09.13 | lucagiove | eheh |
| 14:09.19 | lucagiove | if yours is a good server |
| 14:09.20 | stew | Develman: does it fail to boot at all or does it boot but fail to start x? |
| 14:09.23 | lucagiove | maybe also the serial |
| 14:10.01 | Benwa | Hi, after a dist-upgrade from lenny to squeeze, i've got this problem. Any idea ? http://paste.debian.net/107825/ |
| 14:10.34 | stew | HozsiNekedTesoka: http://www.mail-archive.com/git-commits-head@vger.kernel.org/msg18515.html here is it being removed upstream |
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| 14:11.04 | stew | HozsiNekedTesoka: or here is bettter: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=e24b8cb4fa2bb779bdf48656152366b6f52f748f |
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| 14:12.41 | Develman | @lucagiove: I will try to find it by mind ;) |
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| 14:13.01 | lucagiove | Develman: don't know if its a good idea ;) |
| 14:13.11 | Develman | trial and error ;) |
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| 14:13.28 | lucagiove | Develman: but of course it could be a different boot problem.. |
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| 14:14.26 | Develman | hmm yesterday it booted up without any problem. But since this morning (where i disconnected the monitor) it does not boot up |
| 14:15.13 | twinkie_addict | strange |
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| 14:15.43 | twinkie_addict | dissconnecting the monitor sould have nothing to do with booting up or not |
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| 14:17.30 | babilen | Hi all. Is somebody using rxvt-unicode-256color (sid) and has recommendations regarding it's terminfo. (c.f. #605951, #491812 (length restriction on TERM), #613226) I am alsa worried about the mass RFA from Decklin Foster in this regard (yes, *that* thread) |
| 14:17.44 | Bombo | i upgraded from lenny to squeeze with first editing sources.list, replaceing lenny to squeeze, then aptitude update, then aptitude full-upgrade, now i rebooted and i get some errors about udev, then i get the console login screen, i can login as root, but after a few seconds the keyboard wont react anymore, cant type, numlock led etc wont light, probably the whole system is frozen, what can i do now? |
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| 14:19.56 | Bombo | whats the difference between full-upgrade and dist-upgrade? |
| 14:19.57 | Cozminsky | Bombo: did you update the kernel? |
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| 14:20.20 | Bombo | Cozminsky: yes before the full-upgrade i booted into 2.6.32 |
| 14:20.24 | babilen | Bombo: "full" vs "dist" -- other than that: nothing |
| 14:20.35 | babilen | Bombo: Read the manpage :) |
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| 14:21.00 | Bombo | babilen: ok |
| 14:21.33 | roellen | Using openOffice 3.2 in Squeeze. Is there a debian package for th SUN PDF import extension? if not, can i install it from Softpedia? |
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| 14:22.25 | Bombo | so the kernel 2.6.32 worked at first, but after the upgrade its fscked |
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| 14:22.59 | babilen | Bombo: And *follow* the release notes when you upgrade. Rebooting was a very bad idea and you might have to start over. I would restore from backups and follow http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes (chapter 4 + "What's New") |
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| 14:23.30 | babilen | Bombo: You have to make sure that you upgrade the kernel *and* udev at the same time, before upgrading everything else |
| 14:24.02 | twinkie_addict | clean install is your freind :) |
| 14:24.14 | twinkie_addict | friend |
| 14:24.20 | pbn | Hi there, I'd like to keep running Debian testing on my workstation. So I guess I just need to replace "squeeeze" with "wheezy" in /etc/apt/* , aptitude update && aptitude upgrade.... and perhaps pray ? ;) |
| 14:24.24 | mikunos | Hi guys I am trying to install the debian distro using the net install on my DELLs but I have some problem with the nic card. I have copied the nic card driver in the usb key and then plug it in the usb port and reboot but when I try to partition the HDs, the device is the sdc or sdd. Is it normal? |
| 14:24.26 | babilen | Or that -- but that might be a lot of work if you have a bunch of services running |
| 14:24.46 | babilen | pbn: don't do that |
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| 14:24.54 | pbn | babilen: do what then ? |
| 14:25.08 | Bombo | babilen: the old lenny kernel what was it .24 or so boots, so i could upgrade udev from there? |
| 14:25.23 | Bombo | clean install??? ffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 14:25.25 | Bombo | ;/( |
| 14:25.27 | babilen | pbn: And yes, praying is what you want. The procedure you outlined is correct. It is just not a good idea to track wheezy right now. |
| 14:25.45 | pbn | babilen: ah. too much broken stuff in testing right now ? :) |
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| 14:26.26 | Cozminsky | Bombo: you could try booting from rescue cd and try upgrading udev from chroot mount of you actual root filesystem |
| 14:26.27 | babilen | Bombo: Read the release notes, the upgrade procedure is explained in there in great detail. A Debian upgrade, although easy, is not alway just a "aptitude full-upgrade" away ... In this case you shouldn't even be using aptitude for the upgrade |
| 14:26.33 | babilen | pbn: yes |
| 14:26.44 | mikunos | any idea? |
| 14:26.51 | pbn | babilen: thank you |
| 14:27.05 | Bombo | Cozminsky: old kernel boots |
| 14:27.15 | pbn | babilen: but well I've been running squeeze when it was testing for two years and I never had any problem :) |
| 14:27.24 | pbn | except perhaps kcheckgmail fails |
| 14:27.33 | pbn | and krunner is slow |
| 14:27.42 | Bombo | babilen: hm it worked from etch -> lenny with aptitude iirc |
| 14:28.10 | babilen | Bombo: I would say: Either restore from your backups and start over or just do a fresh install with squeeze (after creating backups of your data) -- Everything else might be a lot of work and might need some expertise. It could be easy to do from a rescue CD or from the .26 kernel though ... I have no idea what state your system is in, but "freezes completely" does not sound good. *READ THE RELEASE NOTES* |
| 14:29.24 | babilen | Bombo: Yes, the procedure is different for lenny->squeeze because the udev version in squeeze is incompatible with the .26 kernel -- you could just try to reboot into the .26 kernel and take it from there or work from a rescue system (chroot into your installation) |
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| 14:29.50 | babilen | Bombo: And use "apt-get" for the upgrade (this time, squeeze->wheezy might be different again) |
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| 14:30.40 | babilen | pbn: Squeeze was just released. Testing (and unstable) are bumpy rides directly after the release. Give it *some* time! |
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| 14:31.09 | babilen | pbn: You could use it, report bugs and fix them. I have no problem with that, just don't expect this to happen without any problems. |
| 14:31.14 | twinkie_addict | agreed |
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| 14:32.04 | Bombo | babilen: the old kernel boots up i just tested it... i'll try to fix it with apt-get |
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| 14:32.55 | babilen | Bombo: If the old kernel boots and your system still has the old udev version, follow the release notes (start with 4.1.1. Back up any data or configuration information) and work yourself up to 4.4.5. Upgrading the kernel and udev) |
| 14:33.19 | babilen | Bombo: Those notes exist for a reason :) |
| 14:33.34 | babilen | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 14:33.34 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <squeeze release notes>. |
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| 14:34.15 | babilen | Bombo: That ^^^ is the procedure in a nutshell -- It is still *highly* recommended to read the release notes. You want, for example, be aware of http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#stable-updates |
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| 14:35.23 | digitalice | hi |
| 14:35.25 | quodt | hey, i like to create a custom version of an nginx.deb. where can i find the original build scrips (rules, control, â¦) to get started? |
| 14:35.30 | twinkie_addict | always read release notes and damn if i havnt sead it enough its better to backup /home and clean install |
| 14:35.37 | babilen | !tell quodt -about package recompile |
| 14:35.42 | digitalice | ive got 2 network interfaces, dhcp and static ip |
| 14:35.55 | babilen | quodt: If you just want to change compile options. But it is a good starting point for forks/customisations as well. |
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| 14:36.33 | Bombo | babilen: *reading* |
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| 14:36.45 | quodt | babilen: em, how to execute the tell-command |
| 14:36.56 | babilen | Bombo: Keep in mind that creating a backup of your data and reinstalling with squeeze *is* an option too. I can't tell you what is best. |
| 14:37.04 | Guest45063 | hello ! I have problem. I have a bunch of files like this books(1) books(2) ... books(102), but I whant to remove the '(' ')' from the file, does any one have a sugestion ? |
| 14:37.31 | Cozminsky | Guest45063: rename |
| 14:37.44 | babilen | quodt: You can just "/msg dpkg deb-src" (for example) to ask dpkg .. or just enter the stuff in < > when you are "chatting" with dpkg ... |
| 14:37.46 | Guest45063 | yes, but how can i do automatic |
| 14:38.12 | quodt | babilen: cool! thanks |
| 14:38.14 | babilen | Guest45063: "man rename" |
| 14:38.14 | Cozminsky | Guest45063: no, I meant the command rename, it lets you specify a regexp for renaming files |
| 14:38.15 | stew | Guest45063: rename 's/[\(\)]//g' * |
| 14:38.53 | stew | Guest45063: you can add a -n to see what it is going to do without doing anything |
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| 14:39.11 | smacnay | bows to stew's command line god powers |
| 14:39.18 | Guest45063 | stew, did not work your ! |
| 14:39.23 | twinkie_addict | lol |
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| 14:39.45 | stew | Guest45063: huh? |
| 14:39.56 | Guest45063 | the rename 's/[\(\)]//g' * |
| 14:39.57 | Cozminsky | Guest45063: try without the quoting inside the class |
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| 14:40.10 | stew | Guest45063: works for me |
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| 14:41.14 | homie | apt-cdrom add does not add the cdrom to the sources list in my old install |
| 14:41.20 | homie | meh |
| 14:41.26 | homie | new install works |
| 14:42.09 | mikunos | any help? |
| 14:42.48 | stew | actually just "rename 's/[()]//g' *" works as well |
| 14:43.03 | Guest45063 | let me try this |
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| 14:43.10 | Guest45063 | do i need to put inside some loop ? |
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| 14:43.45 | Cozminsky | Guest45063: nope |
| 14:44.06 | Guest45063 | uhmm |
| 14:44.13 | Guest45063 | but it isant working |
| 14:44.26 | uoods | define not working |
| 14:44.29 | Guest45063 | hehe |
| 14:44.35 | Guest45063 | it dont rename the files |
| 14:44.42 | stew | Guest45063: you can replace the * with a list of files. this assumed that all the files were in the current directory, if they are in subdirectories, we'll have to do more |
| 14:44.42 | uoods | errors? |
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| 14:44.57 | Guest45063 | none |
| 14:45.04 | Guest45063 | i did |
| 14:45.14 | Guest45063 | rename 's/[()]//g' books* |
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| 14:45.36 | Guest45063 | nothing happens |
| 14:46.10 | Guest45063 | my files are like this : books(103) books(125) books(147) books(23) books(45) books(67) books(89) |
| 14:46.10 | Guest45063 | books(104) books(126) books(148) books(24) books(46) books(68) books(9) |
| 14:46.10 | Guest45063 | books(105) books(127) books(149) books(25) books(47) books(69) books(90) |
| 14:46.29 | HackeMate | what's wrong now http://pastebin.com/c3yFKs9S it wont connect |
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| 14:47.20 | OpenTokix | HackeMate: is ssl-module enabled? What does apache error say? |
| 14:47.35 | stew | Guest45063: http://paste.debian.net/107830/ |
| 14:47.38 | Guest45063 | any Idea ? |
| 14:47.38 | alexxio | after my last upgrade to squeeze, my desktop appears with only grey wallpaper, with no icons..what has changed? i have lxde, how to turn icons back? |
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| 14:47.48 | sxpert | afternoon people. |
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| 14:48.15 | sxpert | it seems the main repo for amd64 is bork, in stable and unstable |
| 14:48.35 | sxpert | it fails to be able to grab the Packages file |
| 14:48.50 | sxpert | ftp.de.debian.org wheezy works though |
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| 14:49.12 | stew | sxpert: show us the command you are running and the error, use a pastebin |
| 14:49.29 | sxpert | one sec |
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| 14:51.30 | dreamer | hmmm, my nvidia-driver seems to be very old. how do I make sure it get's updated to the latest version? atm I'm running 195.36.31 but latest is 260.19.36 |
| 14:51.34 | albech | how do i prevent dhcpc from overwriting /etc/resolv.conf every time it gets a new lease? |
| 14:51.36 | Guest45063 | stew, i've tried all steps that you gave me, but in the end nothing happens |
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| 14:51.48 | Guest45063 | there is no message no error no renaming |
| 14:52.17 | llutz | albech: edit dhclient.conf, prepend/supersede dns-nameservers |
| 14:52.29 | uoods | Guest45063: it works fine here too, you need to pastebin what you did |
| 14:52.32 | albech | llutz, thanks |
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| 14:53.44 | uoods | Guest45063: do the files have some weird unicode characters in them? |
| 14:53.45 | sxpert | stew: wtf it seems to have fixed itself... |
| 14:54.15 | HackeMate | OpenTokix: ssl-module should be enabled and error.log says this: http://pastebin.com/2tmhENMf |
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| 14:55.01 | lgp171188 | Hi all, I installed Squeeze from cd iso. I find that the users and groups gui admin tool called users-admin is not installed by default. What package should be installed to make it available? |
| 14:55.16 | HackeMate | and webbrowser says this: SSL has received too length allowed (sorry for the translate) Code error: ssl_error_rx_record_too_log |
| 14:55.38 | llutz | lgp171188: gnome-system-tools: /usr/bin/users-admin |
| 14:55.53 | albech | llutz, can i remove some of the items from the 'request' statement like domain-name and domain-search to prevent my own ones from being overwritten? |
| 14:56.09 | llutz | albech: yes |
| 14:56.33 | Guest45063 | [rafa@rafa lala]$ touch 'books(103)' 'books(125)' 'books(147)' 'books(23)' |
| 14:56.33 | Guest45063 | [rafa@rafa lala]$ ls |
| 14:56.33 | Guest45063 | books(103) books(125) books(147) books(23) |
| 14:56.33 | Guest45063 | [rafa@rafa lala]$ rename 's/[()]//g' books* |
| 14:56.33 | Guest45063 | [rafa@rafa lala]$ ls |
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| 14:56.52 | OpenTokix | HackeMate: Did you do apache2 stop and start, for ssl to load? |
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| 14:57.37 | HackeMate | well i restarted the daemon, not stop and start,anyway is a thing i can do right now |
| 14:58.09 | HackeMate | if it helps i cant telnet localhost 443 |
| 14:58.21 | HackeMate | sorry i can |
| 14:58.22 | lgp171188 | llutz: Thank you. That worked. |
| 14:58.24 | Cozminsky | HackeMate: I'll bet to http://blah:yourhttpsport/ will work |
| 14:58.40 | dreamer | hmm, so somehow nvidia-glx doesn't work. since I don't have direct rendering |
| 14:58.44 | Cozminsky | HackeMate: s/to/you/ |
| 14:58.47 | stew | i'll bet Guest45063 was on a redhat machine |
| 14:59.06 | HackeMate | Cozminsky: wont work either |
| 14:59.22 | uoods | stew: how so? |
| 14:59.37 | uoods | oh, and I did tell him to use pastebin |
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| 14:59.43 | uoods | :| |
| 14:59.55 | stew | uoods: his prompt looks like one that is typically redhat not debian, and redhat has a rename completely different from debian's |
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| 15:00.06 | brainsoft | any german? |
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| 15:00.22 | stew | !de |
| 15:00.22 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
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| 15:00.58 | uoods | I see |
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| 15:01.37 | homie | what's the prob |
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| 15:01.41 | Cozminsky | HackeMate: openssl s_client -connect host:port -showcerts? |
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| 15:03.44 | abrotman | _____________: knock it off, right now |
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| 15:04.35 | sebcorbin | where are the lenny packages in http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ ? |
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| 15:04.42 | jelly | sebcorbin: gone, forever |
| 15:04.59 | sebcorbin | jelly: what do i do ? distupgrade ? |
| 15:05.05 | jelly | abrotman: why not just outright ban $a _____________ and be done with it |
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| 15:05.33 | jelly | sebcorbin: if that's an option for you, yeah |
| 15:05.35 | Cozminsky | jelly: I'll bite, it's apt 0.8.11.3 from sid |
| 15:05.36 | stew | jelly: for now he's silenced |
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| 15:05.46 | HackeMate | return: CONNECTED(00000003) 12117:error:140770FC:SSL routunes:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:unknown protocol:s23_clnt.c:607: |
| 15:05.52 | sebcorbin | jelly: is there another option ? |
| 15:06.04 | jelly | stew: by ip, yes. |
| 15:06.07 | stew | jelly: yes |
| 15:07.16 | jelly | sebcorbin: I don't know the details of your setup; there're always options of building the software yourself |
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| 15:07.39 | Cozminsky | HackeMate: echo -e "GET / HTTP/1.1\r\nHost: foo\r\n\r\n" | nc host port |
| 15:08.23 | jelly | Cozminsky: you'll want to ask the full question here, not many people here have read the #d-o discussion |
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| 15:09.37 | Cozminsky | why do apt/aptitude/dpkg and popularity-contest are still use savelog in cron.daily instead of logrotate? |
| 15:09.50 | Cozminsky | s/are// |
| 15:10.27 | HackeMate | Cozminsky: returns nothing |
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| 15:11.05 | stew | Cozminsky: i would guess it is in order to keep logrotate and its dependencies from having to be Priority:required |
| 15:11.22 | HackeMate | trying nc localhost 443 and adding manually the GET / HTTP/1.1 at least return a 400 bad request |
| 15:11.52 | Cozminsky | HackeMate: then your ssl setup is not configured correctly, you're talking http over port 443 |
| 15:12.09 | HackeMate | ok, i'll check this |
| 15:12.49 | hosmakix | hello |
| 15:12.57 | sebcorbin | when dpkg says "check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it" |
| 15:13.02 | Cozminsky | stew: that makes sense |
| 15:13.07 | sebcorbin | "reboot into it means" ... ? |
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| 15:13.40 | bodvar | !whisky |
| 15:13.41 | dpkg | somebody said whisky was from scotland. Whiskey is from everywhere else. Scotch doesn't exist; it's just what eejit americans call Whisky. |
| 15:14.14 | rozie | sebcorbin: I guess they want you to have 2.6.32 in uname -a |
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| 15:14.52 | stew | that's silly since some american whiske?y does call itself whisky not whiskey |
| 15:15.02 | sebcorbin | rozie: ok nice i have it |
| 15:15.21 | hosmakix | I'm creating my repository for internal deployment of applications, and I'm looking on how to create a keyring package. Any idea on the way to do it ? |
| 15:15.40 | sebcorbin | dafuk ?!? apt-get dist-upgrade gives me nothing |
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| 15:20.31 | Cozminsky | hosmakix: why a keyring, what's wrong with just apt-key add for your gpg key manually? |
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| 15:21.52 | hosmakix | Cozminsky: because I'm lazy © |
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| 15:22.26 | Cozminsky | hosmakix: otherwise just apt-get source debian-archive-keyring and just rename the package and change some stuff to contain your keys |
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| 15:22.52 | stew | hosmakix: have you looked at the source for the debian-archive-keyring package? |
| 15:23.15 | hosmakix | stew + Cozminsky : I'll probably end up doing that, but it's a bit frightening :) |
| 15:23.25 | stew | why? |
| 15:23.28 | yogg | Hi |
| 15:23.28 | yogg | If I install Debian with an CD it asks me which packages should be installed (deskdop, ssh, apache, ...) there is also a point like "standart packages". How can I install the "standard packages" after the install process? |
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| 15:23.55 | Cozminsky | yogg: go into aptitude or tasksel |
| 15:24.31 | Iridos | dpkg, tell yogg about tasksel |
| 15:24.46 | Iridos | dpkg, tell yogg about standard task |
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| 15:25.25 | yogg | CompWizrd: thx |
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| 15:31.41 | vega- | can the replacement for debian volatile be used in old-stable (ie. squeeze-updates) ? |
| 15:31.46 | vega- | referring to this news: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110215 |
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| 15:32.15 | stew | vega-: no, only for squeeze |
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| 15:32.30 | vega- | hmm, so oldstable won't get updated clamav anymore? |
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| 15:33.34 | vega- | which is on volatile |
| 15:34.19 | stew | vega-: i believe that volatile will still get updates for lenny |
| 15:35.03 | HackeMate | Cozminsky: thanks you were right |
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| 15:38.41 | Odaym | is debian a good choice for a desktop user? |
| 15:38.46 | Odaym | but a power user, nonetheless |
| 15:38.51 | tvm | yes. |
| 15:38.57 | vega- | stew: hmm ok |
| 15:38.57 | Odaym | using Netbeans in times, VM.. |
| 15:38.57 | tvm | any other questions ? ;] |
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| 15:39.10 | Odaym | is it difficult to work with, tvm? |
| 15:39.11 | vega- | stew: sounds sensible |
| 15:39.12 | Odaym | seriously.. |
| 15:39.14 | Odaym | hehe |
| 15:39.26 | thm | how do I change /usr/bin/python from 2.6 to 2.5 in an "official" way? |
| 15:39.27 | tvm | just as with any other distribution i guess. |
| 15:39.40 | Odaym | but im very pampered here in Ubuntu |
| 15:39.42 | tvm | there are might be more straightforward distros i guess. |
| 15:39.44 | Odaym | but i dont like it |
| 15:39.47 | tvm | s/are// |
| 15:40.03 | sterna | debian is quite similar to ubuntu |
| 15:40.09 | sterna | but more on the safe side regarding licensing |
| 15:40.20 | Odaym | ok |
| 15:40.25 | Odaym | i will read up on it |
| 15:40.50 | sterna | if you're working with enterprise tools rpm based distributions tend to work better |
| 15:41.00 | Odaym | rpm based? |
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| 15:41.06 | Odaym | like Ubuntu? |
| 15:41.14 | Odaym | they come in packages? |
| 15:41.15 | sterna | no, ubuntu is deb based |
| 15:41.16 | abrotman | Could we not have this discussion again? |
| 15:41.23 | Odaym | oh, you're talking about .deb and .rpm |
| 15:41.24 | Odaym | ok |
| 15:41.48 | sterna | it's the same, only enterprise tools usually come in rpm packages for various reasons |
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| 15:42.16 | tvm | abrotman: discussion about RPMs being more viable for corporate use ? |
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| 15:42.28 | sterna | you said netbeans so i guess you often rely on downloads from third parties |
| 15:42.30 | abrotman | or any of this |
| 15:42.35 | Odaym | yes |
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| 15:43.00 | sterna | you can use debian for that, but it's more work and sometimes frustrating |
| 15:43.11 | Odaym | but i dont want frustrating |
| 15:43.14 | Odaym | i want to get stuff done |
| 15:43.23 | LemensTS | In GIT, how can I ignore a modified file so it is not commited at this time, but I can at a later time? |
| 15:43.29 | Odaym | well but then again im sure its only frustrating in the beginning |
| 15:43.38 | Odaym | then gets pretty easy |
| 15:43.39 | sterna | then pick a distro with enterprise support and stick to it |
| 15:43.43 | abrotman | LemensTS: #git ? |
| 15:43.51 | abrotman | sterna: that's pretty crappy advice |
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| 15:44.02 | sterna | come to think of it, yes, it is |
| 15:44.13 | sterna | as far as getting work done is concerned |
| 15:44.19 | sterna | but you have a corporate excuse |
| 15:44.35 | Odaym | you have shit manners, abrotman |
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| 15:45.01 | Odaym | but thank you for the help :) |
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| 15:45.03 | sterna | well i must declare i'm biased, i find netbeans frustrating |
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| 15:45.15 | abrotman | that wasn't any help |
| 15:45.18 | atula | which flavor of debian should I install for macbook pro? |
| 15:45.26 | atula | I was thinking of going with i386 |
| 15:45.28 | atula | but I am not sure |
| 15:45.29 | abrotman | atula: amd64 or i386 |
| 15:45.33 | atula | cool. thanks |
| 15:45.37 | sterna | amd64 if you have more than 3G ram |
| 15:45.45 | abrotman | not relevant |
| 15:45.54 | abrotman | i386 can address 64GB with -bigmem kernels |
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| 15:46.13 | UukGoblin | where do I look for / submit bugs related to bash completion functions? |
| 15:46.24 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org/bash-completion ? |
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| 15:46.47 | UukGoblin | 1. pdebuild --basetgz /path/<tab> doesn't work, and 2. sqlite3 /path/<tab> doesn't work either |
| 15:46.50 | UukGoblin | abrotman, thanks |
| 15:46.56 | scompt | hi, how do I create a user inside of a debian package that I'm building? do I just manually call adduser somewhere? |
| 15:47.10 | thm | how do I change /usr/bin/python from 2.6 to 2.5 in an "official" way? |
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| 15:48.34 | themill | thm: you don't. But you can change shebangs in scripts that you know need python 2.5 to have #!/usr/bin/python2.5 (or fix the scripts) |
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| 15:50.27 | eightcell | morning |
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| 15:54.01 | HackeMate | i have a h laserjet p1005 that cups detects, i send a file to print and it says the file was sucessfully sent and its printed but the printer does nothing |
| 15:54.15 | HackeMate | it doesnt receive any job to print but the debian says it was all ok |
| 15:54.20 | Sevet | hi everyone, are there any plans to package mysql cluster 7 for squeeze? |
| 15:54.28 | HackeMate | the printer has paper and toner |
| 15:54.43 | Sevet | and in the meantime is there a recommended way of setting it up? |
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| 15:56.00 | tonytraductor | if I have root access over ssh disabled, but my user on that machine is in sudo group, can I do sudo stuff over there? Or do I need to allow rootlogin over ssh? |
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| 15:56.39 | tonytraductor | I opened up rootlogin to the machine, but I'm thinking, I might be able to turn it back off, since I gave my regular user sudo privileges. |
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| 15:58.03 | Sevet | you can sudo once logged in, or switch to the root user |
| 15:58.08 | Sevet | disabling ssh root access just prevents the root user logging in directly |
| 15:58.32 | tonytraductor | okay, so I can change PermitRootLogin back to "no", and just use sudo when I'm in. Okay. Thanks. |
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| 15:59.27 | little_owl1 | Hi all, I would like to have the default installation (Squeeze), but without Evolution. What is the easist way to achieve that? I migrate from a RPM distro and metapackages are beyond my skills ... :-( |
| 15:59.49 | tonytraductor | this is fun |
| 15:59.52 | Digdilem | little_owl1, use the netinst image and select any packages after |
| 16:00.03 | tonytraductor | I never ran a server before, but yesterday I set one up here. Then I moved it to another machine. |
| 16:00.21 | Iridos | actually the new xauth file with gdm3 is really horrible.. yesterday, the stupid gnome-focus got stuck on an opened menu and I wanted to see if I could change focus with wmctrl... well, hard to do when logging in from console doesn't allow you to access :0 because XAUTHORITY is only set by gdm3 |
| 16:00.23 | tonytraductor | I'm going to see if I can run an IRC server on it. That would be cool. |
| 16:00.25 | Lorentz | Has anyone here tried to set up nginx (stock squeeze package) to use alternative log paths, and find out it fails to start? |
| 16:00.53 | Lorentz | Because as I see it, it seems to have been compiled with error path to /var/log/nginx/errors.log etc, which I don't have, and can't find. |
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| 16:01.31 | Lorentz | /var/log/nginx doesn't exist for me since I'm loading /var/log as tmpfs, since I use an SSD. I could add mkdir /var/log/nginx to /etc/rc.local or something, but that's so dirty. |
| 16:02.17 | Lorentz | Or is this nginx's fault for having weirdly "compiled in" values for error logs? |
| 16:02.21 | albech | Lorentz, set the error_log path manually in the nginx.conf |
| 16:02.35 | Lorentz | albech: I did, it still looks for /var/log/nginx/* |
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| 16:03.24 | albech | Lorentz, is that cause one of your virt hosts point to a dir in /var/log/nginx ?? |
| 16:03.43 | Benwa | hi, got this problem when doing upgrade/install : http://paste.debian.net/107836/ |
| 16:03.57 | albech | Lorentz, normally it shouldnt fail with that unless you have specified that path somewhere |
| 16:03.59 | Lorentz | No, it's not. They all point strictly to, say, /var/log/nginx-dev.error.log instead of /var/log/nginx/dev.error.log etc. |
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| 16:04.19 | Lorentz | I grepped over and over, and only place I seem to find it's hinted is right inside /usr/sbin/nginx :| |
| 16:05.54 | Iridos | looks french to me |
| 16:06.05 | Chocobo | Hi All. I have Debian running in VirtualBox... I rebooted the VM, entered the grub command line, ran vbeinfo and saw that 1600x1200x32 were valid resolutions. I edited the line in /etc/default/grub, ran update-grub and rebooted. It looked like it was working until after it loaded the initrd. Then the res. dropped down again. Any ideas? |
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| 16:06.32 | Lorentz | albech: If you have nginx too, it'd be wonderful if you could see if it has the same issues or not. |
| 16:06.53 | Iridos | judd, versions python2.6-minimal |
| 16:06.54 | judd | Package python2.6-minimal on i386 -- sid: 2.6.6-8+b1; squeeze: 2.6.6-8+b1; wheezy: 2.6.6-8+b1 |
| 16:07.03 | albech | Lorentz, i dont have that issue and I am logging to /var/log/nginx_error.log |
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| 16:07.39 | Benwa | nobody ? |
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| 16:08.46 | themill | Benwa: you have a local installation of python (/usr/local) that doesn't find the installed debian tools and is breaking your upgrade. Local installs of important things like python should not be in your $PATH. |
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| 16:09.00 | Lorentz | albech: http://pastebin.com/q93ehRLX <--- nothing too surprising here |
| 16:09.04 | Lorentz | Did I miss something? I don't know |
| 16:09.22 | Benwa | themill: sooo, how do i fix it ? |
| 16:09.34 | tonytraductor | brb |
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| 16:10.15 | themill | Benwa: in the long run, you should probably remove that source install of python2.6; in the short term, you could just remove (or move) /usr/local/bin/python* so that they don't get picked up during the installation process. |
| 16:10.41 | Lorentz | albech: And are you sure there's no /var/log/nginx/ for you? Completely removed and gone and not there, and nginx still manages to start? |
| 16:11.06 | Benwa | themill: thanks |
| 16:11.22 | themill | no worries |
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| 16:13.40 | albech | Lorentz, yes |
| 16:13.59 | bonjoyee | i just did "aptitude update" and realized that 15 packages have been removed from the squeeze repo...does this happen in debian stable? |
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| 16:14.31 | Lorentz | albech: I have no idea what the difference between our setups are :| |
| 16:14.42 | stew | bonjoyee: typically not. it would have happened in squeeze before it was stable though |
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| 16:14.49 | stew | bonjoyee: can you give an example pacakge? |
| 16:15.35 | thm | what is considered better admin style: disabling a service via editing /etc/default/foo or via rcconf --off foo ? |
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| 16:16.00 | bonjoyee | stew: well..aptitude does not give the name of packages that are removed...but yeah this was fully updated debian squeeze before i did this... |
| 16:16.01 | stew | thm: what does rcconf --off do? delete S links? rename S to K? |
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| 16:16.35 | thm | delete S links I think |
| 16:16.53 | stew | thm: that would be an incorrect way of doing it, hopefully it is renaming S to K |
| 16:17.17 | thm | (it stores numbers privately for later restoration |
| 16:17.36 | stew | if it just deletes them, they would return on a package upgrade |
| 16:17.53 | thm | ok. so what is the preferred way? |
| 16:18.07 | thm | update-rc.d ? |
| 16:18.29 | thm | I am a bit confused about the multitude of possibilities |
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| 16:18.55 | stew | thm: whatever you wish |
| 16:19.08 | stew | thm: disabling in /etc/default is fine, but not every init script will support that |
| 16:19.33 | stew | thm: renaming the S links to K links is good and should always work. use whatever tool you wish for this |
| 16:19.44 | bonjoyee | stew: its not much of an issue..but i thought after release the debian repos are frozen..no more packages added/removed..just updates.. right? |
| 16:20.17 | stew | bonjoyee: right |
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| 16:20.42 | stew | bonjoyee: except for very unusual circumstances. neither has happened so far in squeeze |
| 16:21.02 | stew | !dbugs 613491 |
| 16:21.06 | dpkg | #613491:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: gdm -- ROM; obsolete; superseded by gdm3 (moreinfo); Tue, 15 Feb 2011 07:54:02 UTC [] |
| 16:21.07 | stew | ^^^ going to get exciting |
| 16:21.15 | jelly | oh dear |
| 16:21.19 | stew | people will complain about that loudly |
| 16:21.20 | Big_Brother | How can i get totem movie player to use an intel GPU for video playback? |
| 16:21.27 | jelly | Blame upstream! |
| 16:21.34 | stew | ok |
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| 16:21.54 | bonjoyee | stew: ? |
| 16:21.57 | tharkun | uses his brand new 500,000 volt tazer on jelly |
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| 16:22.07 | Lorentz | albech: ... I hex edited /usr/sbin/nginx to change out the log paths, and it fixed it. |
| 16:22.23 | stew | bonjoyee: hi! |
| 16:22.26 | jelly | I can't be bothered any more, silly decisions like not using default XAUTHORITY path and breaking scripts that used to work for decades don't faze me that much |
| 16:22.32 | Lorentz | That said, it's probable that I'm not setting up the error logs properly somehow, and it's defaulting to the compiled path. Maybe? |
| 16:22.33 | quodt | hi, does one of you know howto exclude files whiles creating .deb packages? |
| 16:22.34 | tonytraductor | I installed ircd-irc2 on my server and it's running, but when I try to access irc there the connection times out every time. I forwarded port 6667 from the router to that machine, and have a domain from dydns pointing to the router |
| 16:22.37 | albech | Lorentz, did you compile it yourself? |
| 16:22.54 | tonytraductor | should I go bug some ircd-irc2 chan? the machine is running squeeze |
| 16:23.09 | tonytraductor | you can see a page on the server at http://blinguas.homelinux.net/ |
| 16:23.17 | stew | tonytraductor: does netstat show a process as listening on 6667? |
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| 16:23.34 | Lorentz | albech: No, this is stock debian package |
| 16:23.40 | quodt | what ever i do, i get: dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file ... |
| 16:23.47 | Lorentz | albech: But I think I know what the problem is now, let me test my theory out |
| 16:23.51 | tharkun | tonytraductor: Does telnet show anything while trying to access it from the outside? |
| 16:24.11 | babilen | Hi all. I am currently investigating 256 colour support for terminals (rxvt-unicode in particular). rxvt-unicode(color256) seems to be -- what was the right description again? ah, right -- a complete clusterfuck (#613226, #605951 + mass RFA from Decklin Foster). Also ncurses is *not* compiled with "--enable-ext-colors" which prevents, for example, irssi to use 256 colours. I am looking for recommendations on how to handle the situation. Any ... |
| 16:24.17 | babilen | ... advice? Better terminal than rxvt-unicode? |
| 16:24.27 | Lorentz | albech: Nope, still not, I tried adding error_log path everywhere, but it's still not solving it. |
| 16:24.32 | stew | quodt: so you are trying to remove somehting that is in the .orig.tar.gz? why? |
| 16:24.34 | tonytraductor | I haven't tried to use telnet since about 1995. |
| 16:24.46 | Lorentz | (thought it might be doing "it's not set, so let's go to the real real base default, instead of what's in /etc/nginx/nginx.conf") |
| 16:24.51 | quodt | stew: yes |
| 16:24.56 | stew | quodt: why? |
| 16:25.08 | quodt | i dont need it |
| 16:25.14 | quodt | i.E config |
| 16:25.24 | stew | quodt: why not just leave it in the source package and not install it? |
| 16:25.45 | tonytraductor | I don't even see 6667 mentioned in the output from netstat |
| 16:25.55 | quodt | stew: i dont like not requred stuff in my package |
| 16:26.05 | tonytraductor | do I need to restart the ircd? ps aux | grep ircd seems to indicate there is a process |
| 16:26.10 | tharkun | tonytraductor: there you go fix where your irc server is binding |
| 16:26.24 | Lorentz | albech: And actually, it seems the nginx process starts up. Hrm. That's nice. It's still throwing up the alert though :S |
| 16:26.26 | stew | quodt: then you need to create a new .orig.tar.gz that doesn't contain the file, and make a comment in debian/README.Source about the change and why you made it |
| 16:26.26 | tharkun | and yes, you should restart it |
| 16:26.40 | atula | how do I install openssl with crypto.h? I am on Debian 6 Squeeze. |
| 16:26.42 | stew | quodt: though this seems like creating useless work for people for now reason |
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| 16:26.54 | atula | apt-get install openssl shows I have the latest version |
| 16:27.09 | stew | atula: aptitude install libssl-dev |
| 16:27.10 | quodt | stew, this is a custom package of nginx |
| 16:27.24 | quodt | stew, i dont like to publish it to the world |
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| 16:27.45 | stew | quodt: ok |
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| 16:28.36 | tonytraductor | restarted it, but got some error "no working P line ni .conf" |
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| 16:28.55 | tonytraductor | I see $ P-line \n P::::6667: |
| 16:29.06 | Lorentz | albech: Well, thanks for the help anyhow. I guess I can live with an alert. |
| 16:29.26 | albech | Lorentz, hehe np.. I didnt do anything ;) |
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| 16:33.26 | sxpert | anybody knows what kernel makes the stupid nvidia 3100M in dell laptops work proprely ? |
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| 16:34.36 | Frenk | Hey. I have a IP adstill ipress and the person cant access services on the server. Even ping does not work. For all others it does work well. There is no entry in deny-hosts or iptables. Any suggestions? |
| 16:35.02 | Frenk | Hey. I have a IP adress and the person cant access services on a server. Even ping does not work. For all others it does work well. There is no entry in deny-hosts or iptables. Any suggestions? |
| 16:35.23 | bzrk | Frenk: do a traceroute |
| 16:35.27 | sxpert | network on client not set up properly ? |
| 16:35.29 | Simon_S | asking once is enough i think, ehm, maybe the problem is at the "persons" computer |
| 16:35.31 | bzrk | probably some routing issue |
| 16:35.38 | Simon_S | or "persons" isp |
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| 16:36.51 | tonytraductor | brb |
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| 16:38.44 | snow__crash | Question, wouldn't know where to ask...The hardware channel is invite only... is there some other #hardware channel for non-invitees? |
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| 16:39.02 | tonytraductor | okay, the ircd is running, but now, instead of getting "connection timed out" I'm getting "connection refused". 6667 is open -> that machine |
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| 16:39.40 | stew | tonytraductor: if something is listening to :6667, but you get "Connection Refused" when trying to connect to it, there is a firewall preventing the connection |
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| 16:39.57 | stew | snow__crash: you want ##hardware not #hardware |
| 16:39.59 | llutz | sxpert: nvidia+intel dual-vga using optimus? afaik it's not supported atm, disable intel in BIOS |
| 16:40.14 | snow__crash | Stew, thanks! |
| 16:40.23 | sxpert | llutz: no idea. I just want to have this screen to light up |
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| 16:40.42 | stew | snow__crash: #hardware forwards there, perhaps you have your irc client configured to not allow forwarding |
| 16:40.48 | sxpert | llutz: what I get with 2.6.32 for now is text mode ok, then poof, screen turns off when graphics mode shows up |
| 16:40.48 | snow__crash | Arg... need to be identified/register... *sigh* |
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| 16:41.03 | snow__crash | Will fix that |
| 16:41.04 | stew | or perhaps that |
| 16:41.10 | snow__crash | Thanks :) |
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| 16:42.00 | babilen | Hi all. I am currently investigating 256 colour support for terminals (rxvt-unicode in particular). rxvt-unicode(color256) seems to be -- what was the right description again? ah, right -- a complete clusterfuck (#613226, #605951 + mass RFA from Decklin Foster) Any advice? Better terminal than rxvt-unicode? Fork ncurses to include the rxvt-unicode-256color terminfo from upstream? |
| 16:42.02 | tonytraductor | no firewall here. I'm serving page over http |
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| 16:42.21 | tonytraductor | netstat doesn't show aything on 6667 over there, but ircd IS running |
| 16:42.24 | tonytraductor | I'm confused by that |
| 16:42.51 | tonytraductor | 6667 is open on the router, forwarding to the machine running ircd |
| 16:42.52 | rgr | babilen: been there done that. Had to manually merge some 256 color patch in. I went back to xterm. |
| 16:42.55 | tharkun | tonytraductor: it might be running but not binding to the ip:port you want it to |
| 16:43.26 | rgr | and donr even talk to me about then using tmux or screen with it and emacs key chords .... |
| 16:43.38 | tonytraductor | itÅ running with iauth, and the iauth config mentions 3 other ports, but seems to be denying traffic from those (which aren't open on the router anyway). |
| 16:44.22 | babilen | rgr: That is not necessary anymore, but the terminfo is a "complete clusterfuck" -- I am just not sure how to handle this and have the feeling that the people working on this don't have an idea as well. |
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| 16:45.12 | tonytraductor | i'm trying to get there with irssi -c blinguas.homelinux.net:6667, irssi finds the host (shows correct ip address) Connecting to blinguas.homelinux.net [71.235.82.118] port 6667 |
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| 16:45.22 | tonytraductor | then says connection refused |
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| 16:45.38 | tonytraductor | it does seem ircd is not listening to that port, or something...but shouldn't that be default? |
| 16:45.47 | tonytraductor | I'm going to look at the ircd.config again |
| 16:45.51 | dokma | hey guyz, my aptitude is telling me that I have 995 upgradable packages all of a sudden... I do regular updates and upgrades |
| 16:45.59 | dokma | any idea how this could've come about? |
| 16:46.01 | stew | tonytraductor: until netstat -lnt shows it listening to :6667, there is no point in trying to connect |
| 16:46.15 | stew | dokma: do you have "stable" in sources.list? |
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| 16:46.27 | dokma | stew: let me check |
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| 16:46.55 | dokma | deb http://ftp.hr.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 16:47.00 | tonytraductor | ircd.conf has P::::6667:: |
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| 16:47.21 | dokma | stew: first line in sources.list |
| 16:47.22 | stew | dokma: yes, that is why. you shouldn't use stable, repace that with lenny. a new version of stable (squeeze) was released (/msg dpkg squeeze) |
| 16:47.40 | tonytraductor | oh wait... I DO have: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:6667 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 16:47.46 | stew | tonytraductor: there you go |
| 16:47.46 | babilen | rgr: Well, I am not using xterm because i require better font support (I regularly deal with chinese, korean, japanese and arabic) |
| 16:47.47 | dokma | hmmmm, thank you!!! |
| 16:47.59 | stew | tonytraductor: that means listening on port 6667 on all ips |
| 16:48.11 | tonytraductor | but I still get Unable to connect server blinguas.homelinux.net port 6667 [Connection refused |
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| 16:48.26 | stew | tonytraductor: then it is a firewall/router problem |
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| 16:48.32 | stew | !connection refused |
| 16:48.32 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified IP address at all (e.g. apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 16:48.40 | babilen | rgr: And rxvt-unicode's Xft support is quite nice. Screen's problem is basically #491812 -- what issues do you get with tmux? |
| 16:48.53 | tech13 | is there a way to setup a local cow (copy on write) over a ro-nfs ? |
| 16:48.59 | tonytraductor | oh weird...I CAN connect using the internal IP (168.192.1.100) |
| 16:49.04 | Frenk | bzrk , sxpert , Simon_S - the routing should be as the person can access other websites and servers (smtp, pop3, http) - just this one does not work. Ping does not work either. Now he has a new IP but the host is still blocked for some reasons. |
| 16:49.04 | tonytraductor | but not from outside |
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| 16:49.31 | stew | 168.192 or 192.168? |
| 16:49.41 | sxpert | is cable plugged in ? driver loaded ? can you ping the first gateway ? |
| 16:49.46 | Simon_S | Frenk, tried a traceroute? |
| 16:50.30 | dokma | stew: does that stable to lenny things goes for this line as well? deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 16:50.43 | stew | dokma: yes, anywhere you have stable |
| 16:50.54 | dokma | stew: thanks man |
| 16:51.01 | stew | dokma: and you should consider upgrading from lenny to squeeze sometime: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 16:51.24 | dokma | stew: will check that as soon as I sort this mess out |
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| 16:51.58 | tonytraductor | weird...I am definitely forwaring 6666 to 6668 to that machine ont he router |
| 16:52.11 | Frenk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:52.23 | tonytraductor | the router is forwarding http successfully on 80 and 443 to that machine |
| 16:52.39 | Frenk | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.39 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: You are listening on 6667. |
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| 16:52.51 | tonytraductor | yes, netstat says LISTEN on 6667 |
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| 16:53.08 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: You said you're forwarding to 6668 |
| 16:53.15 | jhutchins_lt | tonytraductor: That ain't gonna work. |
| 16:53.16 | Simon_S | Frenk hmm maybe try a tcpdump on the server and filter the packages from the special client... |
| 16:53.18 | stew | 6666 through 6668 |
| 16:53.32 | stew | or 6666,6667,6668 |
| 16:53.44 | fprint | hi |
| 16:53.50 | Simon_S | but i think tcpdump doens't recognize pings etc.. (icmp)... |
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| 16:54.14 | Simon_S | any iptables rules on the server... or wrong routes for the clients ip range? |
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| 16:54.40 | Frenk | Simon_S: there are no routes for the ip/ip-range |
| 16:55.15 | Frenk | Simon_S: but there are indeed some iptables rules (snort and psad) |
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| 16:55.20 | Sevet | Simon_S: tcpdump will recognise icmp |
| 16:55.34 | Frenk | Can I do iptables -F remotly? without loosing the connection? |
| 16:55.54 | Simon_S | if there is no rule that makes you get the connection then yes |
| 16:56.05 | Sevet | Frenk: that depends on the table and policies... you can -F INPUT if the default policy is ACCEPT |
| 16:56.19 | stew | tcpdump definitely understands icmp |
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| 16:56.34 | Sevet | but if it's anything else you'll lose your connection... with -F on other chains it'll depend on what the rest of your rules look like |
| 16:56.39 | stew | Simon_S: for example: tcpdump -i eth0 'icmp[icmptype] == icmp-echo or icmp[icmptype] == icmp-echoreply'" |
| 16:56.43 | kvanderw | looking for 'lenny' standard iso |
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| 16:57.07 | kvanderw | found 'live'... but can't install from it - or don't know how. |
| 16:57.24 | jhutchins_lt | Frenk: A simple safety is to set up a timed or scheduled reboot which you can kill if you DON'T loose the connection. |
| 16:57.26 | stew | kvanderw: since its no longer current, its in the archive: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
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| 16:57.58 | jhutchins_lt | kvanderw: The new squeeze live CD's are installable, lenny's are not. |
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| 16:58.20 | kvanderw | there are 31 iso images.... which one is for a basic server? |
| 16:58.20 | Sevet | jhutchins_it: or do iptables-save and use at to schedule a iptables-restore |
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| 16:59.18 | stew | kvanderw: use the netinst |
| 16:59.55 | kvanderw | stew: thanks... I'll try that... |
| 17:00.19 | Sevet | kvanderw: or CD-1/DVD-1... the others are optional, if you try to install a package not on that disk you can either use one of the other images or use a network mirror |
| 17:00.24 | Sevet | network mirror is easier :) |
| 17:00.42 | romel | hi guys. What's the package's name for LAME MP3 Encoder in debian lenny? Can't find anything related. |
| 17:00.44 | kvanderw | jhutchins_lt: I would love to use squeeze... but am installing 'aegir' on top and it still needs php 5.2.... |
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| 17:01.04 | Sevet | netinst installs everything from a mirror (cd just has enough on it for the installer) - it's what i use |
| 17:01.12 | jhutchins_lt | kvanderw: All my servers are still lenny. |
| 17:01.22 | stew | romel: its not in debian currently do to the fact that it is protected by patent |
| 17:01.25 | nutron | while obviously not familiar with the technology, can someone tell me how "stable" ocfs2 is nowadays? |
| 17:01.34 | jhutchins_lt | Very bad php developers breaking backward compatability. |
| 17:02.04 | tonytraductor | okay restarting ircd gives this (but I don't know what it means): binding stream socket example.irc.org[0.0.0.0@71.235.82.118.6668]:Cannot assign requested address |
| 17:02.17 | tonytraductor | oh, I know whee that line is |
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| 17:02.37 | tonytraductor | that IP 71.235.82.118 is my public IP, blinguas.homelinux.net points here via dydns |
| 17:02.40 | kvanderw | jhutchins_lt: good... the drupal community is not fully spec'd up on the php 5.3 stuff... I keep running into oops... so want to stay at 5.2 for now. |
| 17:02.47 | tonytraductor | I'm going to comment that out |
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| 17:03.22 | Iridos | romel, there is libmp3lame0 in debian-multimedia, but the repo for lenny just disappeared when squeeze became stable |
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| 17:05.26 | cm_ | nutron, actually im trying to get a working configuration with corosync and ocfs2 on top of drbd for a few days and i cant get it working properly.. as long as i do clean shutdown all is fine but with if i reboot -fn one box, the other does a kernel oops + backtrace on ocfs functions .. |
| 17:05.46 | tonytraductor | I only need TCP throught the port, right? I don't need UDP for IRC? |
| 17:06.01 | cm_ | nutron, maybe a version (even though i'm using squeeze standard packages) or configuration problem anyway. |
| 17:06.11 | cm_ | nutron, but its quite scary :) |
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| 17:06.53 | tonytraductor | the irc demon is running fine, it seems, I don't understand why it doesn't work from outside. |
| 17:07.35 | tonytraductor | dydns is definitely sending traffic to 71.235.82.118, because you can see the html pages in /var/www. the router is set to send irc through 6666 to 6668 to that same machine |
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| 17:07.56 | Frenk | Okay, I cleaned deny.hosts, stopped and started ip tables so no rules are in there (just the default rules which are accepting anything anywhere) but I still can not connect to the server. Pls help =( |
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| 17:08.08 | Frenk | hosts.deny i mean |
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| 17:11.04 | nutron | cm_: that sounds unfortunate. :/ |
| 17:11.17 | romel | another question, guys. I have two 80 Gb disks and I want to build raid1 with them, but disks have different geometry. So I can't just create identical partitions using Start and End values. |
| 17:11.31 | nutron | I was looking at NFS HA and failover, but overall DRBD really seems to be the only real glue I need. |
| 17:11.52 | romel | (I am going to build several raid1 arrays with mdadm) |
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| 17:12.07 | nutron | cm_: I've learned over the years that stable does not necessarily mean bug-free, lenny was horrid for bugs |
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| 17:12.42 | romel | What I supposed to do now? Is the geometry difference critical for creating md-arrays? |
| 17:13.02 | esaym153 | isn't there a way to see why a package is installed? like how depends on it? |
| 17:13.49 | cm_ | nutron: i agree, we are using lenny with drbd for years and it works really great. (appart from distribution bugs yeah, package upgrade are sometimes tricky :) |
| 17:14.14 | cm_ | but its still coherent and works great appart from that |
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| 17:15.21 | Frenk | I need your advice! I can not connect to a server, even I can not ping the server. I can tracoroute it and it ends one ip-adress before my server. then the connection is timed out. I cleared hosts.deny and all ip-table rules. The laptop can access any other website and service. =( |
| 17:16.38 | cm_ | Frenk, it seems you have a network problem somewhere between the server and its gateway |
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| 17:17.07 | esaym153 | n/m apt-cache rdepends |
| 17:17.19 | Frenk | cm_ I can access the server from other laptops, just not that one. |
| 17:17.29 | sxpert | ok; the nvidia card appears functionnal in 2d now with 2.6.37. good ;) |
| 17:17.38 | usr13 | Frenk: You have a network problem, not a Ubuntu problem. You need to seek advise elsewhere. |
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| 17:17.59 | usr13 | Frenk: Sorry buddy, but we just can't help you here. |
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| 17:19.11 | cm_ | Frantic, oh ok. check the routing table if you dont have a wrong route for this host. appart from that i dunno what can be wrong from here |
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| 17:20.07 | usr13 | cm_ This issue is not related to Ubuntu. If you guys are going to discuss the issue, you really need to take it elswhere. This is a busy channel |
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| 17:21.20 | usr13 | Sorry I meant to say Debian not Ubuntu |
| 17:21.23 | cm_ | right. |
| 17:21.59 | usr13 | (Frenk was just on Ubuntu earlier) |
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| 17:23.08 | Bartzy | What's the difference between 'search' and 'domain' in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 17:24.00 | usr13 | search Search list for host-name lookup. |
| 17:24.12 | usr13 | nameserver Name server IP address |
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| 17:25.06 | tonytraductor | could somebody else try to join #debian @ blinguas.homelinux.net ? |
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| 17:25.49 | usr13 | nameserver is an Internet address (in dot notation) of a name server that the resolver should query for domain name resolution. |
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| 17:27.04 | stew | tonytraductor: telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out |
| 17:27.07 | usr13 | The search list is normally determined from the local domain name; by default, it contains only the local domain name. This may be changed by listing the desired domain search path following the search keyword with spaces or tabs separating the names. Resolver queries having fewer than ndots dots (default is 1) in them will be attempted using each component of the search path in turn until a match is found. |
| 17:27.12 | tonytraductor | weird |
| 17:27.28 | tonytraductor | but you CAN see a page at http://blinguas.homelinux.net yes? |
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| 17:32.45 | MaDSeN | yes |
| 17:32.57 | MaDSeN | although it hurts my eyes :D |
| 17:33.06 | tonytraductor | this is just not making sense. ircd is running fine (can access itnernally), dydns domain works, and the router successfully forwards http to that machine...why is IRC not getting through? |
| 17:33.55 | Sevet | blocked by isp? |
| 17:34.01 | MaDSeN | portforward listening port? on outside? |
| 17:34.09 | MaDSeN | from* |
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| 17:34.22 | jelly-home | port 6667 is EVIL? |
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| 17:34.27 | MaDSeN | haha |
| 17:34.33 | tonytraductor | omfg....it's senility... I didn't tick the little Enabled [] check box...fml |
| 17:34.38 | tonytraductor | okay, try now! |
| 17:35.13 | tonytraductor | aha! traffic comes in, but it gets "unauthorized connection" |
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| 17:35.27 | tonytraductor | apparently I need to read some docs...I haven't intentionally blocked anybody from that |
| 17:37.39 | sniffle | good day |
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| 17:41.12 | Bartzy | What's the difference between 'search' and 'domain' in /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 17:43.13 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: Good question. |
| 17:43.28 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: Possibly one works, the other doesn't? Or they're redundant. |
| 17:43.55 | Bartzy | jhutchins_lt: I guess you can only have 1 domain, but multiple search-list domains for hostname lookup ? |
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| 17:44.30 | Ramattack | Hi all!! |
| 17:44.57 | Ramattack | does anybody know why Debian squeeze has a slow resolution if you don't specify to use ipv4?? could it be solved?? |
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| 17:45.16 | Ramattack | if you do telnet -4 aaaa goes fast resolving... if you do telnet aaaa goes slower... |
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| 17:47.37 | Ramattack | telnet aaa goes slow... telnet -4 aaa goes fast |
| 17:48.23 | jhutchins_lt | Ramattack: Disable ipv6 |
| 17:48.28 | jhutchins_lt | !noipv6 |
| 17:48.28 | dpkg | To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 17:48.45 | jhutchins_lt | Ramattack: It tries 6 first and has to wait for it to time out. |
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| 17:50.09 | kibibyte | hi |
| 17:51.19 | Bartzy | jhutchins_lt: Why do you need to disable ipv6 ? |
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| 17:51.48 | kibibyte | im trying to allow users to scp only certain types (ie. texy only) of files how to do i |
| 17:51.53 | kibibyte | t |
| 17:51.54 | kibibyte | ? |
| 17:52.13 | RichiH | kibibyte: you can't |
| 17:52.16 | kibibyte | hm |
| 17:52.17 | kibibyte | why? |
| 17:52.21 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: Because it's an idiotic pyramid scheme that doesn't do anybody any good and just gets in the way of clean networking? |
| 17:52.38 | karlpinc | kibibyte: You could filter them after the fact using something like incron. |
| 17:52.42 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: Because the resolver's going to try to use it first and time out before getting an actual ip address? |
| 17:52.43 | Bartzy | jhutchins_lt: Yeah, but why it gets in the way and where ? |
| 17:53.08 | RichiH | kibibyte: scp implies a remote shell; which implies being able to do pretty much everything |
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| 17:53.24 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: See previous. |
| 17:53.25 | karlpinc | kibibyte: Or you can allow them to cat files to a custom program you specifiy in authorized_hosts. |
| 17:53.43 | RichiH | including renaming files and prepending the magic bytes which make a mime checker think it's a texy file |
| 17:53.59 | Ramattack | I'm testing about boot loader |
| 17:54.09 | RichiH | karlpinc: and how do you verify it's a tex file? |
| 17:54.21 | RichiH | compile it and make sure there no errors? |
| 17:54.27 | karlpinc | RichiH: Sure. |
| 17:54.39 | kibibyte | RichiH, karlpinc i was thinkg about some shell script which test if argument is certain file type, if yes then scp it. But then it they have access to that script they have also accessto scp p. |
| 17:54.45 | RichiH | if yes, i will simply ascii armour the file and put it into the tex as text or comment |
| 17:55.20 | Bartzy | jhutchins_lt: how can I check if ipv6 is enabled or disabled on my system ? |
| 17:55.24 | RichiH | and i will have a valid .tex with all your precious data in it |
| 17:55.25 | tonytraductor | got it working! |
| 17:55.25 | karlpinc | RichiH: So, it's still a tex file. |
| 17:55.29 | RichiH | which i will then copy away |
| 17:55.31 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: It's enabled by default |
| 17:55.36 | Bartzy | how can I check ? |
| 17:55.37 | kibibyte | so what i want to do is to forbid them to use scp but scren may be executed by them |
| 17:55.40 | tonytraductor | I now have an irc server running at blinguas.homelinux.net |
| 17:55.44 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: in a misguided attempt to force it's adoption. |
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| 17:55.51 | karlpinc | kibibyte: What are you really trying to do? |
| 17:55.52 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: lsmod | grep ipv6 |
| 17:56.06 | Bartzy | jhutchins_lt: that's really stupid since not a lot of network equipment supports it |
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| 17:56.22 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: You have that exactly correct. |
| 17:56.27 | themill | jhutchins_lt: that's not a very good check once ipv6 is built in |
| 17:56.29 | RichiH | kibibyte: remember to forbid rcp, telnet, netcat, wget, lynx, links, elinks, links2, mail, mutt, ssh, cat, print etc as well |
| 17:56.29 | kibibyte | karlpinc, im trying to allow users to scp only certain types (ie. texy only) |
| 17:56.32 | Bartzy | I don't get how the migration to ipv6 will happen exactly.. it seems impossible |
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| 17:56.45 | RichiH | which brings us back to the fact that you can not forbid this kind of thing |
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| 17:56.55 | Bartzy | jhutchins_lt: But if it's built into the kernel in squeeze, it won't be a module... |
| 17:56.57 | themill | Bartzy: the trouble is that you do have equipment that supports it... if you did not, you would not have an ipv6 address bound to your interface and you would not have this problem |
| 17:56.57 | karlpinc | kibibyte: Why do they have to scp? What is your use-case? |
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| 17:57.25 | karlpinc | kibibyte: Allowing people to just scp tex files does not accomplish a useful purpose. What are you trying to do? |
| 17:57.35 | kibibyte | karlpinc, i must allow to copy only binary files from 1 host to another |
| 17:57.50 | kibibyte | other things must be forbidden |
| 17:57.56 | karlpinc | kibibyte: because.... |
| 17:58.07 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: One of the useless features of ipv6 is that it sets up a private ipv6 address even if there's no ipv6 network available. |
| 17:58.19 | karlpinc | kibibyte: If you don't tell us the goal we won't be able to help. |
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| 17:58.29 | kibibyte | becacouse this is demand from some guy;/ |
| 17:58.39 | Bartzy | jhutchins_lt: lsmod | grep ipv6 returned nothing. I have a regular squeeze installation |
| 17:58.46 | Bartzy | I think it has to be in /proc somewhere |
| 17:58.52 | kibibyte | users cannot copy anything other binary |
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| 17:59.08 | kibibyte | for securiy reasons |
| 17:59.25 | kibibyte | i know you can convert text to binary but .. |
| 17:59.32 | kibibyte | tahts what he wants |
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| 17:59.53 | karlpinc | kibibyte: And they have to use scp because....? |
| 17:59.58 | jhutchins_lt | Bartzy: If you have a stock installation, ipv6 is enabled, you need to add ipv6.disable=1 to your kernel options in /etc/default/grub and reboot. |
| 17:59.59 | RichiH | kibibyte: as long as you know that it's impossible, just implement something to make him happy |
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| 18:00.11 | RichiH | but be aware that if anything gets out, and it will, you are the one to blame |
| 18:00.14 | stew | kibibyte: how do you define "binary file"? |
| 18:00.15 | kibibyte | karlpinc, this is their workflow |
| 18:00.31 | Ramattack | in grub2 does anybody how to do it?? |
| 18:00.44 | Bartzy | jhutchins_lt: But resolving works perfectly for me |
| 18:00.53 | stew | Ramattack: how to do what? |
| 18:01.02 | kibibyte | stew, file encoded in binary form |
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| 18:01.10 | karlpinc | Ramattack: Ah, "it". I knew how, but I couldn't get her to agree. |
| 18:01.18 | kibibyte | RichiH, yeah i must do soemthing |
| 18:01.29 | Bartzy | How a filesystem's UUID is defined ? |
| 18:01.32 | stew | kibibyte: so all files? |
| 18:01.50 | stew | kibibyte: or what is a file not encoded in binary form? |
| 18:01.52 | antivigilante | there must be a sadistic clown in charge at debian.org - the same day that linux-kbuild is updated to be in line with the headers and kernel, the kernel and headers for that version drop off the repos |
| 18:01.55 | kibibyte | yeah i know but this is deamnd |
| 18:02.02 | kibibyte | demand |
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| 18:02.23 | antivigilante | can anyone actually explain what the whole linux-kbuild fiasco is about? |
| 18:02.25 | Ramattack | I have added to /etc/default/grub GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="ipv6.disable=1 quiet spalsh" |
| 18:02.32 | Ramattack | well really modified the line... |
| 18:02.39 | Ramattack | later update-grub and update2-grub |
| 18:02.41 | Ramattack | but no way... |
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| 18:02.56 | amphi | kibibyte: you could perhaps use file(1) to determine whether a file is 'ASCII text' or utf8 text or whatever |
| 18:02.59 | sniffle | i demand pancakes! |
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| 18:03.32 | kibibyte | amphi, yeah i know |
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| 18:03.55 | Bartzy | How a filesystem's UUID is defined ? |
| 18:04.11 | amphi | kibibyte: I thought you were asking |
| 18:04.14 | karlpinc | kibibyte: Have them scp into a holding area and have incron examine the file and send it where it belongs. |
| 18:04.21 | stew | antivigilante: can you tell us which versions of linux-2.6 and linux-kbuild-2.6 you are talking about? |
| 18:04.30 | dvs | Bartzy: It's created when you format the partition |
| 18:04.37 | stew | antivigilante: it looks like new versions of each were uploaded yesterday |
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| 18:04.43 | antivigilante | 2.6.37 |
| 18:04.45 | Bartzy | dvs: By what tool ? all filesystems ? |
| 18:04.51 | antivigilante | 2.6.37-1 |
| 18:04.55 | kibibyte | karlpinc, yeah ill try this |
| 18:04.59 | Bartzy | dvs: And where it is being saved ? in the start of the file system ? |
| 18:05.01 | dvs | Bartzy: mkfs |
| 18:05.14 | karlpinc | kibibyte: incron is a little hard to debug, mostly $PATH problems iirc. |
| 18:05.30 | stew | antivigilante: and what problem are you having with these? |
| 18:05.34 | antivigilante | i'll check it out later maybe they're not up on the mirrors |
| 18:05.41 | Ramattack | shoould go mates bye |
| 18:05.50 | stew | antivigilante: for which arch? |
| 18:06.09 | antivigilante | well - wireless is only supported by experimental for me |
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| 18:06.28 | stew | judd: versions linux-kbuild-2.6.37 |
| 18:06.30 | judd | Package linux-kbuild-2.6.37 on i386 -- sid: 2.6.37-1 |
| 18:06.50 | antivigilante | amd64 |
| 18:06.50 | stew | antivigilante: which mirror are you using, with which arch? |
| 18:07.05 | antivigilante | ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 18:07.21 | Bartzy | dvs: And where it is being saved ? in the start of the file system ? |
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| 18:07.45 | dvs | Bartzy: dunno. It's on the partition somewhere. |
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| 18:07.59 | drummerboy | hi |
| 18:08.08 | kibibyte | http://i.min.us/ijA7Sa.jpg |
| 18:08.12 | stew | antivigilante: wget -O- ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz | zcat | grep '^Package: linux-kbuild-2.6.37' |
| 18:08.16 | stew | antivigilante: seems to find it for me |
| 18:08.17 | kibibyte | diffrence between mexico and usa |
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| 18:08.25 | kibibyte | lol |
| 18:08.32 | Bartzy | thanks dvs. |
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| 18:08.37 | stew | kibibyte: wrong channel |
| 18:08.42 | dvs | np |
| 18:08.46 | stew | kibibyte: perhaps try #debian-offtopic or ##defocus |
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| 18:08.49 | Bartzy | dvs: And when I'll take that HDD to another machine, the UUID of all the partitions in it will remain the same ? |
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| 18:09.16 | karlpinc | Bartzy: yes. |
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| 18:09.19 | dvs | Bartzy: It depends how you "take it" |
| 18:09.33 | dvs | Bartzy: Oh, physically? |
| 18:09.40 | Bartzy | karlpinc: So it is HDD-specific? If I create another machine and put the same /etc/fstab in it, it won't work right ? |
| 18:09.52 | stew | antivigilante: can you tell me exactly what problem you are having? |
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| 18:10.48 | Bartzy | karlpinc: Because I want to backup my /etc/fstab, because I have some tmpfs partitions set up there.. and this is a server that I have a provisioning system for... it dumps the /etc/fstab file where needed, so the tmpfs filesystems will be there if the old server crashed and I created a new one. so with UUIDs I'm in a bit of a problem right ? |
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| 18:11.36 | Bartzy | meaning I want the tmpfs rows to be provisioned, but not the UUID rows... only if /etc/fstab was modular :p |
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| 18:12.00 | karlpinc | Bartzy: grep? |
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| 18:12.21 | Bartzy | karlpinc: Yeah, but that's a bit complicated to implement on my current provisioning system |
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| 18:13.23 | dvs | Bartzy: LABEL ? |
| 18:13.25 | karlpinc | Bartzy: I'm not clear on what your doing, and not thinking today. But you could also look into disklabels and use those instead. (?) |
| 18:14.00 | Bartzy | I'm taking /etc/fstab and copying it to another server |
| 18:14.09 | antivigilante | stew - in the past i've had to rebuild linux-kbuild (and I am a lil clumsy) to reach the level of support I have - kbuild can take months to show up - so I was 'un'amused to see the headers and kbuild slip versions past each other again |
| 18:14.25 | Bartzy | if the server crashes, then I can copy /etc/fstab with all the data on it (tmpfs filesystems etc) to a newly created server. |
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| 18:14.49 | stew | antivigilante: what do you mean by "slip versions past eachother"? |
| 18:14.55 | Bartzy | without UUIDs, I just need the HDDs of the new server to be in the same order as the old one... with UUIDs, I actually need to replace the lines of the UUID-mounted filesystems. |
| 18:15.11 | karlpinc | Bartzy: I think your vocabularly is off. fstab is a file, it has little information. All the information is in the partitions of the disks it references. |
| 18:15.20 | Bartzy | karlpinc: I know. |
| 18:15.29 | Bartzy | I have some tmpfs definions on it. |
| 18:15.46 | Bartzy | I don't want to lose them and rewrite them in-case my server blows. |
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| 18:16.00 | sako | Err http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates/contrib Sources 404 Not Found [IP: 149.20.20.6 80] |
| 18:16.03 | Bartzy | I also don't want to manually copy them to /etc/fstab on the new server (when the old one crashes) |
| 18:16.05 | karlpinc | Bartzy: Why not use the same disklabels for the filesystems of the 2 boxes and use those to mount in fstab instead of uuids. |
| 18:16.09 | karlpinc | Bartzy: ? |
| 18:16.12 | antivigilante | i have the headers linux-2.6.37-1~experimental (which fell off the repos) and here comes kbuild-2.6.37-1 |
| 18:16.20 | sako | i keep getting that 404 error, is it just because there are no packages yet? |
| 18:16.28 | Bartzy | karlpinc: Oh. I thought that UUIDs are superior in some way ? |
| 18:16.44 | dvs | Bartzy: You can use UUID or LABEL. |
| 18:16.46 | karlpinc | Bartzy: Superior if you want universal uniqueness, which you don't. |
| 18:16.54 | stew | antivigilante: don't use experimental |
| 18:16.56 | jordanm | Bartzy: superior to device names. label is just as good if not better |
| 18:17.01 | dvs | Bartzy: but using the physical device name is no longer reliable. |
| 18:17.02 | Bartzy | and using /dev/sda1 etc is also fine ? |
| 18:17.05 | stew | antivigilante: the versions in sid were made available at very close to the same time |
| 18:17.12 | Bartzy | OK. |
| 18:17.13 | dvs | Bartzy: but using the physical device name is no longer reliable. |
| 18:17.14 | karlpinc | Bartzy: No. see dvs. |
| 18:17.14 | c3l | how can I mount a host with sshfs so that more users than me can read/write to the mountpoint? (more specifically im mounting my fileserver with sshfs, and want mpd to be able to acces the music dir in the mountpoint). currently I simply get permission denied, permissions for the mountpoint gets taken over and set by fusermount automatically at mout it seems |
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| 18:17.21 | antivigilante | stew no wifi for me w/o experimental |
| 18:17.21 | stew | antivigilante: or if you are going to use experiemental, you build the -kbuild pacakge yourself |
| 18:17.21 | Bartzy | Why it is not reliable ? |
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| 18:17.33 | stew | antivigilante: use 2.6.37 from sid then |
| 18:17.37 | antivigilante | stew - aha i see |
| 18:17.45 | antivigilante | k |
| 18:17.46 | Bartzy | labels are "Stable" ? Not causing any problems whatsoever ? |
| 18:17.50 | jhutchins_lt | That or backport the module. |
| 18:17.52 | antivigilante | thx |
| 18:17.57 | dvs | Bartzy: The linux kernel now start the disk subsystem in parallel. so devices get assigned in no determined order. |
| 18:18.01 | karlpinc | Bartzy: Because the hardware is allow to report devices in various orders. This may or may not have to do with the PCI standard, which does not fix device order detection. |
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| 18:18.13 | Bartzy | dvs: "now" = in what version ? |
| 18:18.19 | karlpinc | Bartzy: squeeze. |
| 18:18.28 | dvs | Bartzy: Not sure of the exact kernel version. |
| 18:18.30 | Bartzy | 2.6.36 ? |
| 18:18.31 | Bartzy | ok |
| 18:18.33 | karlpinc | Bartzy: Lables are stable. |
| 18:18.47 | Bartzy | OK, so basically labels are the way to go for servers. |
| 18:18.51 | karlpinc | Bartzy: (They were there before uuids.) |
| 18:18.51 | dvs | When SATA hard drive labels changed to sda instead of hda |
| 18:19.01 | dvs | Bartzy: in your case, yes. |
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| 18:19.11 | Bartzy | dvs: In what cases it isn't ? |
| 18:19.12 | karlpinc | Bartzy: Labels are good when mirroring boxes, say with rsync. |
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| 18:19.18 | Bartzy | Why would you want universal uniquness ? |
| 18:19.21 | stew | antivigilante: it looks like this time the two packages were accepted withing 1.5 hours of eachother |
| 18:19.29 | stew | antivigilante: which means they probably were pare of the same dinstall run |
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| 18:19.35 | Bartzy | karlpinc: Why ? sorry for all the questions :) |
| 18:19.37 | karlpinc | Bartzy: So you can take a bunch of drives from different boxes and put them all in one box and know what's what. |
| 18:19.42 | Bartzy | oh you explained |
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| 18:19.46 | dvs | Bartzy: When you want to copy your fstab to different machines. ;-) |
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| 18:20.19 | Bartzy | karlpinc: But you won't know what's what. Labels are part of the filesystem, and rsync only copies data. |
| 18:20.27 | karlpinc | Bartzy: (You _can_ manually set uuids, and make them non-unique thereby. But that's a perversion and what labels are for.) |
| 18:20.34 | vaasu | hi, what is the appropriate channel for asking questions about gnu texinfo? |
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| 18:20.38 | dvs | Bartzy: Which brings me back to the question I asked a while ago: are you physically moving the disks between servers? |
| 18:20.45 | Bartzy | dvs: No. |
| 18:20.54 | karlpinc | Bartzy: Yes, you have to keep the labels in sync manually. But that's not hard because you also have to provision the storage manually too. |
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| 18:21.13 | stew | antivigilante: yeah, it looks like they were avilable at the same time |
| 18:21.25 | Bartzy | So last question - When will I want universally unique IDs for filesystems ? |
| 18:21.26 | karlpinc | Bartzy: If you want to do something else you use drdb or one of the cluster file systems like gfs. (IIRC.) |
| 18:21.43 | stew | antivigilante: see here about building a linux-kbuild pacakge yourself: |
| 18:21.44 | stew | http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
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| 18:22.11 | jelly-home | there's a kbuild factoid |
| 18:22.31 | jelly-home | (points to the same page anyway) |
| 18:22.43 | karlpinc | Bartzy: When you want to be able to move drives between boxes and identify the drive itself. |
| 18:22.50 | antivigilante | stew - i hacked that support rc versions so I can have my wifi - i still have to snd-hda-tools from *buntu to get sound working |
| 18:22.57 | karlpinc | Bartzy: Physically move. |
| 18:23.04 | Bartzy | karlpinc: OK, but then Label moves with the drive |
| 18:23.15 | stew | antivigilante: what version does "cat /proc/asound/version" report |
| 18:23.28 | karlpinc | Bartzy: But labels are not unique so don't uniquely identify the drive. |
| 18:23.45 | antivigilante | Bartzy - but what if you have a back up clone drive? |
| 18:23.47 | Bartzy | but UUID is per partition, not drive, right ? |
| 18:23.58 | jelly-home | uuid is per filesystem |
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| 18:24.11 | Bartzy | OK so how do I refer to a disk ? by /dev/sdX ? |
| 18:24.16 | antivigilante | partitions are what you need any |
| 18:24.19 | antivigilante | way |
| 18:24.21 | Bartzy | ok. |
| 18:24.31 | karlpinc | Bartzy: Right, but it's all the same. You're moving partititions and need to identify them. In fact it lets you backup partitions should a drive fail. |
| 18:24.33 | jelly-home | partitions suck! lvm rules! |
| 18:24.35 | stew | Bartzy: per filesystem |
| 18:24.52 | Bartzy | so nothing has changed, UUIDs are just a unique label. Thanks guys :) |
| 18:24.54 | antivigilante | stew - 1.0.23 |
| 18:25.01 | karlpinc | Bartzy: Right. |
| 18:25.02 | Bartzy | karlpinc: Backup partitions? How so ? |
| 18:25.06 | stew | antivigilante: that's the version that works or that doesn't work? |
| 18:25.07 | karlpinc | Bartzy: dd |
| 18:25.17 | Bartzy | karlpinc: And why a simple label won't cut it for that ? |
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| 18:25.23 | stew | Bartzy: cp /dev/whatever /path/to/new/backup/file |
| 18:25.29 | stew | Bartzy: (is one easy way) |
| 18:25.43 | karlpinc | Bartzy: A label may be the same as on some _other_ backed up partition. |
| 18:25.51 | Bartzy | ok. got it. thanks. |
| 18:25.53 | antivigilante | stew - i get the famous low sound volume in the side |
| 18:26.16 | antivigilante | MSI Cx700 laptop |
| 18:26.17 | jelly-home | karlpinc: dd only works well with online filesystems if you have snapshot capabilities (see my previous, silly line) |
| 18:26.18 | stew | antivigilante: i don't know about it? this is a problem with which version of alsa? or with which kernel? |
| 18:26.28 | karlpinc | jelly-home:) |
| 18:26.35 | antivigilante | 1.0.23 |
| 18:26.42 | Uksus | Hello, I have a question - are there "community" rules for iptables? I mean a database of offensive ips to block? |
| 18:26.51 | stew | antivigilante: which version of alsa do ubuntu have that works? |
| 18:27.00 | Bartzy | stew: Wow, the cp stuff actually creates a 'sda1' file in the destination.. how do you restore that ? |
| 18:27.26 | karlpinc | Bartzy: with cp to a real device. |
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| 18:27.41 | karlpinc | Bartzy: (which had better be offline.) |
| 18:27.42 | stew | Bartzy: cp just copies all the bits from the device to a file. to restore it you do the opposite. jelly is correct that you shouldn't do it with a mounted filessystem |
| 18:28.05 | antivigilante | stew - i don't think they have 1.0.23 or + that works - they use the snd-hda-tools set to tweak the pins/nodes in the config to make it work |
| 18:28.11 | jelly-home | rw* mounted |
| 18:28.37 | Bartzy | stew: Because it will destroy the filesystem, or the recovery just won't work ? |
| 18:28.53 | jelly-home | in 5-10 years, Linux _might_ even gain incremental block-based backups |
| 18:28.59 | jelly-home | don't hold your breath |
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| 18:29.01 | antivigilante | snd-hda-tools seems to be part of also so should be on debian but it's not |
| 18:29.09 | karlpinc | Bartzy: If the fs is being written and you write to the underlying device there's no concurrency checks and things will break. |
| 18:29.21 | antivigilante | block/based? |
| 18:29.35 | Bartzy | Thanks guys. :) |
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| 18:34.49 | jelly-home | antivigilante: dd |
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| 18:36.19 | jelly-home | imagine if the filesystem kept track of what was changed since the last dd backup image, so you could make an quick, smaller image with only those differences |
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| 18:37.17 | stew | jelly-home: can you code that up real quick, plz? |
| 18:38.09 | jelly-home | stew: sure wanna buy my jelly-totally-not-repackaged-vxfs |
| 18:40.13 | jhutchins_lt | dump |
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| 18:40.30 | jelly-home | there's zumastor.org but it will never be finished or made decent enough to be put back into vanilla tree |
| 18:40.46 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: is there a safe dump for ext[34]? |
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| 18:41.58 | Bartzy | nfsd is in kernel or user mode ? |
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| 18:43.03 | jelly-home | Bartzy: kernel is the one everyone uses |
| 18:43.25 | Bartzy | jelly-home: Differences are performance ? |
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| 18:45.06 | shirish | hi all, I'm looking for a package which syncs package updates between online and offline systems, I know the package but don't remember the name. |
| 18:45.30 | jelly-home | Bartzy: I forgot what the differences were, but I'd imagine that would be one. |
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| 18:46.44 | Bartzy | thanks jelly-home. |
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| 18:47.54 | antivigilante | is /boot + grub ready for ext4 |
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| 18:49.20 | shirish | antivigilante: yes it is, I have/am using ext4 without issues. |
| 18:50.01 | antivigilante | no speshul settingz? |
| 18:50.09 | shirish | don't remember though if I used ext4 on / or not, on /home for yes. |
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| 18:50.18 | shirish | nope, didn't do any special settings. |
| 18:50.59 | antivigilante | so i can put ext4 on /boot part which is in lvm? |
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| 18:51.30 | antivigilante | (lvm /boot works btw) |
| 18:51.41 | antivigilante | i don't have to separate nada |
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| 18:51.46 | shirish | antivigilante: sorry, no to slight ideas about lvm so cannot suggest. |
| 18:52.02 | antivigilante | modularity FTW |
| 18:52.14 | shirish | I do know what lvm does, meaning to play with that, maybe next month would do that. |
| 18:52.24 | shirish | antivigilante: what's FTW ? |
| 18:52.37 | antivigilante | lvm + /boot + ext3 works |
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| 18:52.41 | antivigilante | for the win |
| 18:52.54 | shirish | do not understand. |
| 18:53.11 | antivigilante | wtf is what the frog |
| 18:53.19 | antivigilante | ftw is for the win |
| 18:53.53 | antivigilante | as in Yay! Hallelujah! |
| 18:54.04 | shirish | no idea but guess you can try out, am on a windows machine atm, would be in debian side of things in a while. |
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| 19:00.27 | mudfly | I am having trouble configuring LVM using preseeding with the debian installer. install dies with "No root file system is defined." here is the section of my preseed that creates partitions. http://pastebin.com/W1CXFFAC can someone tell what I am doing wrong? |
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| 19:05.55 | reavengrey | Oi, I'm having an interesting issue: |
| 19:06.07 | reavengrey | If I place an entry into /etc/fstab like so: |
| 19:06.40 | reavengrey | /dev/sda5 /void vfat rw,users,exec |
| 19:06.51 | reavengrey | And I mount it, it'll mound as noexec |
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| 19:07.28 | reavengrey | Even though I say, to mount as exec |
| 19:07.50 | reavengrey | Also, if I put auto in the options |
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| 19:08.05 | reavengrey | When it mounts on startup, it'll mount as noexec |
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| 19:08.14 | stew | reavengrey: is it actually mounted noexec, or is it that you got an undesirable default umask |
| 19:08.31 | reavengrey | Nope, when I run "mount" |
| 19:08.35 | reavengrey | It shows noexec |
| 19:08.39 | reavengrey | Lemme write up a pastebin |
| 19:08.49 | stew | oh, users implies noexec |
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| 19:09.02 | stew | hmm, but it does say you can override it |
| 19:09.03 | reavengrey | Yea, I found that with experimentations |
| 19:09.10 | reavengrey | When I used "user" instead |
| 19:09.16 | reavengrey | It allowed me to mount as exec |
| 19:09.23 | reavengrey | But that doesn't happen in ubuntu |
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| 19:09.28 | reavengrey | Or in debian |
| 19:09.32 | reavengrey | When you don't install GNOME |
| 19:09.33 | justin_ | it probably doesn't matter much as vfat can't support setuid binaries anyway |
| 19:09.55 | reavengrey | Setuid has nothing to do with not being able to execute stuff on a partition :/ |
| 19:09.56 | stew | he wants exec, not suid |
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| 19:10.19 | justin_ | no, I mean that the reason for mounting with noexec is because if users can mount ext[234] partitions, they can just put setuid binaries on them |
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| 19:11.22 | reavengrey | Re: Oh okay |
| 19:12.29 | stew | i'm not sure i follow that logic |
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| 19:13.14 | justin_ | ext[234] filesystems can contain setuid binaries. users can not normally mount filesystems |
| 19:13.15 | reavengrey | I didn't either |
| 19:13.24 | reavengrey | I just agreed to be sociable XD |
| 19:13.48 | stew | justin_: so? |
| 19:13.53 | justin_ | if you enable users to mount filesystems, it potentially opens security issues |
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| 19:14.13 | stew | justin_: such as? |
| 19:14.30 | justin_ | wtf did I just say? |
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| 19:14.47 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.55 | amphi | heh |
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| 19:15.00 | stew | justin_: i mean sure, if you let a user mount any block device from anywhere... |
| 19:15.04 | jelly-home | stew: carefully crafted fs images to trigger kernel bugs. |
| 19:15.08 | stew | sure |
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| 19:15.15 | justin_ | so which is why I said |
| 19:15.21 | justin_ | 14:09 < justin_> it probably doesn't matter much as vfat can't support setuid binaries anyway |
| 19:15.39 | jelly-home | vfat is possibly safeish |
| 19:16.05 | reavengrey | No |
| 19:16.08 | reavengrey | The thing is |
| 19:16.17 | jelly-home | workaround: make all the user-mountable devices mount via FUSE only ;-) |
| 19:16.18 | reavengrey | Onlu root can modify /etc/fstab |
| 19:16.24 | reavengrey | So the kernel shouldn't interfere like that |
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| 19:16.32 | reavengrey | When root edits it to say, mount as exec |
| 19:16.38 | reavengrey | That's just annoying |
| 19:16.41 | reavengrey | I know what I'm doing |
| 19:16.44 | reavengrey | so what I say :/ |
| 19:16.47 | reavengrey | *Do |
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| 19:16.53 | stew | reavengrey: please don't hit enter so often, use punctuation instead |
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| 19:17.17 | reavengrey | The safety issue there isn't ebout alloting people to use "users" and not have to use "sudo" to mount |
| 19:17.32 | reavengrey | It's about the fact that someone unauthorized had the sudo password |
| 19:17.43 | justin_ | sudo password? |
| 19:17.49 | reavengrey | Root, w/e |
| 19:18.09 | jelly-home | that's already game over |
| 19:18.12 | reavengrey | If you protect root, then the issue doesn't arise, since only root can edit fstab, so that's an oversecurity measure that's just annoying |
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| 19:18.53 | justin_ | yes, that worked before usb drives, when systems didn't have removable media other than a floppy disk or a zip drive |
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| 19:19.08 | justin_ | which is why it sounds like his problem has something to do with the gnome automounter stuffs |
| 19:19.17 | jelly-home | simple rule: don't allow physical access, be it a usb stick or anything else |
| 19:19.22 | reavengrey | Yup, I are about to google and look into it |
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| 19:19.42 | reavengrey | prepares to dive into linux internals and ugly GNOME stuffs |
| 19:19.43 | probe_ | http://www.facebook.com/pages/Unions-Des-Revolutionnaires-Tunisiens-%D8%A5%D8%AA%D9%91%D8%AD%D8%A7%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AB%D9%91%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AA%D9%91%D9%88%D9%86%D8%B3%D9%8A%D9%8A%D9%86/184036958298680 |
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| 19:20.05 | jelly-home | doesn't click |
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| 19:20.10 | tharkun | Gentlemen i need to install a gui for decompression. Someone suggested File Roller. Any idea on what package that might be? |
| 19:20.12 | reavengrey | Yea, looks to ugly :/ |
| 19:20.28 | stew | and then when you don't allow physical access, and you specify which filesystems can be mounted by user, allowing user to mount ext[234] (which allows setuid) doesn't cause the same problem |
| 19:21.07 | justin_ | tharkun: aptitude search 'file roller' |
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| 19:21.26 | nobi08 | hi there, is there ANY chance to get a serial wacom tablet to work under xserver 1.7 in debian squeeze without patching source files? I am struggling for nearly 3 days in doing that... |
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| 19:21.34 | tjack | tharkun: Package is "file-roller" |
| 19:21.41 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions redshift |
| 19:21.43 | judd | Package redshift on i386 -- squeeze: 1.2-3; sid: 1.6-1; wheezy: 1.6-1 |
| 19:21.49 | tharkun | tjack, justin_ thx |
| 19:22.07 | tharkun | i did apt-cache search 'file roller' nothing came out as a result why? |
| 19:22.23 | reavengrey | Probably does a full string match search :) |
| 19:22.29 | reavengrey | Try just looking for "roller" |
| 19:22.32 | reavengrey | Or google |
| 19:22.37 | justin_ | apt-cache search file roller |
| 19:22.43 | justin_ | aptitude wants quotes, apt-cache doesn't |
| 19:22.45 | reavengrey | Or the debian package repo site |
| 19:23.02 | reavengrey | I doubt the package name has a space... |
| 19:23.14 | justin_ | apt-cache search --names-only file roller |
| 19:23.17 | justin_ | works even better |
| 19:23.24 | jelly-home | reavengrey: that does not matter with apt-cache search |
| 19:23.30 | tjack | why not just search for file-roller? |
| 19:23.33 | reavengrey | Okay, no wonder he found it |
| 19:23.40 | reavengrey | tjack: ;-) |
| 19:23.44 | reavengrey | Noes, leave the space |
| 19:23.47 | reavengrey | It'll work |
| 19:23.47 | justin_ | tjack: if you knew it was called file-roller you wouldn't need to search for it |
| 19:23.53 | reavengrey | It doesn't matter |
| 19:24.00 | stew | tharkun: without the quotes would have given you results, as would: apt-cache search 'file.roller' |
| 19:24.05 | tjack | dpkg -S "file roller" |
| 19:24.05 | dpkg | There is no record of a "file roller" package |
| 19:24.10 | tjack | that does the magic |
| 19:24.18 | tjack | dpkg -S "file-roller" |
| 19:24.18 | dpkg | Badgers ate my "file-roller"! |
| 19:24.18 | stew | tharkun: you specfied a regex that didn't match any package description |
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| 19:24.22 | reavengrey | dpkg -S "roller" |
| 19:24.22 | dpkg | You Fool! "roller" is installed! |
| 19:24.29 | tjack | oO |
| 19:24.32 | jelly-home | !boy abuse |
| 19:24.32 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 19:24.32 | dvs | heh |
| 19:24.33 | reavengrey | Err lol? |
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| 19:24.50 | tharkun | stew: ok now i get the idea on how it works |
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| 19:24.59 | dvs | is glad reavengrey didn't install a package |
| 19:25.07 | reavengrey | :(( |
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| 19:25.47 | KaffeeJunky123 | Hello, I've a problem with my debian squeeze since the latest update no usb device seems to work when booting in normal mode |
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| 19:26.09 | KaffeeJunky123 | I can't use my keyboard nor my mouse to perform any actions, so I'm stuck at the login screen |
| 19:26.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | I've seen a message about some udev fail during boot, but now that i've booted in failsave I cannot find said message in the systemlogs :/ |
| 19:26.49 | reavengrey | PCs are supposed to emulate ISA's PS/2 for USB mice/kbds at boot |
| 19:27.07 | reavengrey | So I'm sure there's probably a kernel command line |
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| 19:27.21 | reavengrey | That'll make linux not load the usb driver and not disable the emulation |
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| 19:27.36 | justin_ | KaffeeJunky123: if you hit capslock does the light on your keyboard go on and off? |
| 19:27.40 | reavengrey | So you'll have a working mouse and kbd with the mobo doing the work |
| 19:27.54 | thewanderer1 | awww. KDE's just eaten my Plasma note :/ |
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| 19:28.17 | KaffeeJunky123 | justin_: numlock worked |
| 19:28.19 | thewanderer1 | apparently moving a sticky note between the desktop and the panel crashes it and causes data loss |
| 19:28.40 | KaffeeJunky123 | justin_: is that the same deal as caps? |
| 19:28.41 | stew | thewanderer1: data loss other than what is on the sticky note? |
| 19:28.49 | thewanderer1 | stew: nope |
| 19:28.59 | thewanderer1 | it just "unsticked" itself and went to the data hell |
| 19:29.14 | stew | thewanderer1: but this would happen for a sticky note that was already persistent? |
| 19:29.28 | stew | thewanderer1: like you could have one, reboot, its still there, the move it and it goes away for ever? |
| 19:29.34 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 19:29.41 | stew | thewanderer1: file a Severity: critical bug |
| 19:29.45 | thewanderer1 | I was storing my favourite track names there for months :P |
| 19:29.56 | thewanderer1 | let's see if it's really gone or if the config is still there |
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| 19:30.22 | jelly-home | Subject: sticky notes fall down into the bit bucket |
| 19:30.28 | thewanderer1 | sure |
| 19:30.47 | thewanderer1 | where would KDE keep the widgets? |
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| 19:31.48 | thewanderer1 | oh, a monolithic ini file with stuff... let's see what happens if I back it up and relogin |
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| 19:31.57 | jelly-home | "plasmoids" :-| |
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| 19:32.08 | fbs | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.12 | thewanderer1 | yeah... apparently plasma is a bit unstable |
| 19:32.19 | Uhu | Hey, when I try to execute a perl-script I get the following error: http://pastebin.com/tUsux0J3 What Ive done wrong? |
| 19:32.22 | nutron | so I'm looking for help on how to use google heh. I don't know what to search for, I want to assign say Ctrl-Shift-+ for XFreeVolUp (can't remember the key names).. ie. A media key combination... anyone know what I'm looking for? I run a very sparse system so I don't run gnome or ever plan to. :) |
| 19:32.31 | reavengrey | Hey, how do I put commands to run at Linux stratup? |
| 19:32.41 | reavengrey | I assume I put a script in /etc/init, no? |
| 19:32.42 | justin_ | KaffeeJunky123: not sure.. actually, does something like control-alt-delete work? |
| 19:32.44 | reavengrey | Or |
| 19:32.49 | reavengrey | /etc/init.d/* |
| 19:32.51 | thewanderer1 | nutron: Xmodmap |
| 19:32.52 | stew | Uhu: what you've done wrong is to insatll another perl into /usr/local |
| 19:32.53 | nutron | /etc/rc.local |
| 19:33.00 | KaffeeJunky123 | justin_: no, that didn't work |
| 19:33.04 | reavengrey | Kay, and it'll be run at startup? |
| 19:33.10 | nutron | thewanderer1: uhh really? wow, too easy |
| 19:33.17 | thewanderer1 | reavengrey: open that file, read it, it'll explain everything |
| 19:33.19 | KaffeeJunky123 | justin_: I had to use the power button to restart the computer |
| 19:33.24 | reavengrey | Ah, thanks, yo |
| 19:33.25 | Uhu | stew: how do i get rid of it? just rm? |
| 19:33.28 | stew | Uhu: or what you've done wrong is not installing Net::IP::Match::Regex for this version of perl |
| 19:33.48 | stew | Uhu: how did you install it? |
| 19:33.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | justin_: if I only could find that error message :/ |
| 19:33.59 | Uhu | stew: apt-get install perl |
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| 19:34.30 | thewanderer1 | nutron: hmm, you also need some hotkey daemon apparently :P |
| 19:34.36 | thewanderer1 | seem to have mistaken this for sth else |
| 19:34.37 | justin_ | KaffeeJunky123: what did you boot off of to get the failsafe option to work? a cd? |
| 19:34.38 | stew | Uhu: no, the one in /usr/local |
| 19:35.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | justin_: grub |
| 19:35.11 | nutron | thewanderer1: ugh. wth |
| 19:35.16 | KaffeeJunky123 | justin_: it's actually called rescue system I think |
| 19:35.26 | justin_ | KaffeeJunky123: oh, so things work until X starts? |
| 19:35.36 | antivigilante | i read that as hot monkey man |
| 19:35.44 | thewanderer1 | nutron: there was an easy automation tool though... lemme apt-cache search that |
| 19:36.11 | justin_ | thewanderer1: you can do that as part of most lightweight window managers |
| 19:36.17 | thewanderer1 | ah, xbindkeys |
| 19:36.27 | stew | Uhu: what does "which perl" return? |
| 19:36.28 | thewanderer1 | justin_: I know, but you are then bound to a particular WM |
| 19:36.35 | justin_ | shrugs |
| 19:36.36 | reavengrey | Gonna start up debian without gnome |
| 19:36.48 | KaffeeJunky123 | justin_: I'm not sure about that, is there a simple switch to not startx when booting so I could try? |
| 19:36.50 | reavengrey | and see if it's gnome making the users partitions mount as noexec |
| 19:37.04 | Uhu | stew: /usr/bin/perl |
| 19:37.08 | reavengrey | Rlly annoying shyt |
| 19:37.11 | stew | reavengrey: it would be easier to follow what you say if you would use puntuation instead of the enter key |
| 19:37.17 | thewanderer1 | reavengrey: err, just how do you "mount users partitions"? |
| 19:37.30 | stew | Uhu: wait, perhaps I'm all wrong then, forgive me |
| 19:37.36 | justin_ | KaffeeJunky123: not really simple.. /msg dpkg nodm |
| 19:37.39 | reavengrey | thewanderer1: Read again :/ |
| 19:37.51 | reavengrey | See if it's GNOME making the "users" partitions mount as noexec |
| 19:37.52 | Uhu | stew: any other ideas =/? |
| 19:38.12 | thewanderer1 | reavengrey: yes, but does every user have their own partition and filesystem? |
| 19:38.33 | reavengrey | The statement held state from when I talked before: when I add a partition with the "users" mount option, debian mounts it with noexec |
| 19:38.34 | stew | Uhu: i don't see Net/IP/Match/Regexp.pm in debian, you'd have to install it from cpan perhaps, see /msg dpkg dh_make_perl |
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| 19:38.57 | stew | reavengrey: what command to you run to mount this? |
| 19:39.03 | thewanderer1 | reavengrey: ok, I had to leave for a while when you were saying that apparently... was testing for a KDE bug |
| 19:39.12 | reavengrey | NP |
| 19:39.16 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 19:39.16 | thewanderer1 | are you sure it should be 'users' not 'user'? |
| 19:39.19 | reavengrey | stew: I use a custom command |
| 19:39.25 | KaffeeJunky123 | justin_: I'm using gdm3, so "update-rc.d gdm3 stop 20 2 3 4 5" should work, right? |
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| 19:39.30 | stew | reavengrey: a secret custom command? |
| 19:39.32 | reavengrey | I want anyone on the comp to be able to mount it without using sudo |
| 19:39.38 | reavengrey | It's a drive with games on it |
| 19:39.41 | reavengrey | So yea, users |
| 19:39.45 | reavengrey | Yesh |
| 19:39.47 | thewanderer1 | reavengrey: consider using pmount |
| 19:39.49 | reavengrey | I uses "mount" |
| 19:39.50 | justin_ | KaffeeJunky123: I'd just do mv /etc/rc2.d/*gdm /root , and then put it back after, but that's just me |
| 19:39.59 | reavengrey | It's hyper arcane and for the very elite |
| 19:40.05 | stew | dpkg: tell Uhu about dh_make_perl |
| 19:40.07 | justin_ | update-rc.d always confuses the hell out of me |
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| 19:40.26 | reavengrey | looks up pmount |
| 19:40.37 | stew | Uhu: that should tell you how you might get Net/IP/Match/Regexp.pm by trying to find that module on cpan and making a debian pacakge out of it |
| 19:40.43 | KaffeeJunky123 | justin_: well, I'll brb if it does work without X |
| 19:40.48 | thewanderer1 | reavengrey: yes, it's in the manpage: user implies noexec |
| 19:40.49 | stew | i'd expect pmount to mount it noexec |
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| 19:41.01 | stew | thewanderer1: yes, but it is overridable |
| 19:41.10 | Uhu | stew: thx |
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| 19:41.18 | stew | thewanderer1: that is if its looking at fstab, but we don't know, since he is using a secret mount command |
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| 19:41.30 | reavengrey | stew: Sarcasm!! |
| 19:41.34 | reavengrey | :(( |
| 19:41.37 | reavengrey | Meanie |
| 19:41.45 | stew | 14:38 < stew> reavengrey: what command to you run to mount this? |
| 19:41.52 | reavengrey | It looks at /etc/fstab |
| 19:42.03 | thewanderer1 | so... add "exec" option :P |
| 19:42.07 | stew | he did |
| 19:42.12 | reavengrey | Yesh, I did that |
| 19:42.20 | reavengrey | I tried other things, too |
| 19:42.26 | tjack | tharkun: or search with: dpkg-query -l "file*roller" |
| 19:42.31 | thewanderer1 | and yes, GNOME mounts stuff by default with noexec |
| 19:42.32 | reavengrey | Like making the entry look exactly like the one used to mount / |
| 19:42.35 | thewanderer1 | since it's "wiser" than us |
| 19:42.56 | thewanderer1 | and I am not really sure it respects fstab... I think it has its own logic and suexec binaries for that |
| 19:43.05 | justin_ | tjack: dpkg -l only lists packages that are installed or removed, it is no help searching for something new to install |
| 19:43.09 | reavengrey | Assuming that I was doing something wrong, and I could execute stuff on root, ifI mad eit look like the root entry |
| 19:43.20 | tjack | justin_: ah ok, didn't notice |
| 19:43.25 | reavengrey | It should work for my entry, but it still thinks it knows better than me :/ |
| 19:43.27 | justin_ | thewanderer1: right, hot pluggable usb drives will not be found in fstab, so it has its own logic for mounting them |
| 19:43.31 | stew | thewanderer1: yeah, if only we knew what command he was using to mount it or whatever, maybe we'd know if it was gnome or what |
| 19:43.49 | reavengrey | Meh, okay I'll get to that pastebin :/ |
| 19:44.09 | thewanderer1 | I suppose that "mount /dev/sdb1" would suffice :P |
| 19:44.11 | tjack | justin_: Well it shows me not installed packages, too |
| 19:44.15 | jelly-home | TINC (there is no command) |
| 19:44.32 | justin_ | tjack: it shows you removed packages, which is not the same as not installed |
| 19:44.33 | tjack | justin_: maybe it is a difference between dpkg and dpkg-query |
| 19:44.42 | tjack | alright then |
| 19:45.07 | justin_ | tjack: dpkg-query -l | wc -l ; apt-cache search "" | wc -l |
| 19:45.49 | thewanderer1 | so the note Plasmoid is still there in the config, but apparently not anywhere on the desktop |
| 19:45.53 | thewanderer1 | so data loss is apparent |
| 19:46.08 | thewanderer1 | yet pretty confusing... the note itself is "lost" |
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| 19:46.44 | wolfric | is it possible to set dhcp on bootup and have a static ip as a backup? |
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| 19:49.02 | Bushmills | wolfric: you could configure a static ip address in interfaces, and call dhcp client after boot |
| 19:49.10 | reavengrey | http://pastebin.com/jUtMZF1p |
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| 19:49.16 | reavengrey | Here's the pastebin that explains it all |
| 19:49.26 | reavengrey | When I change their options to "user" and not "users" |
| 19:49.40 | reavengrey | And I therefore have to use "sudo" to mount, I don't get noexec forced on me |
| 19:49.47 | Bushmills | though chances are that after failed dhcp request the interface may be deconfigured |
| 19:50.00 | reavengrey | stew: thewanderer1 ^^^ |
| 19:50.04 | reavengrey | Pastebin above |
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| 19:50.36 | wolfric | Bushmills: I suppose i could just write a script for it to set it but i don't want to assign ips if there is dhcp available |
| 19:51.06 | stew | reavengrey: put exec after users or user |
| 19:51.13 | Bushmills | doesn't matter if after successful dhcp request it will obtain a new address |
| 19:51.28 | reavengrey | Kay, I'll try it now |
| 19:51.35 | stew | reavengrey: (the way you said you had it before) |
| 19:51.42 | wolfric | Bushmills: but in the mean time it will have an ip that i might not want it to have |
| 19:52.03 | Bushmills | why would you not want to have the fallback address? |
| 19:52.19 | wolfric | Bushmills: in case it's already been assigned |
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| 19:52.42 | reavengrey | Oh, stew thanks |
| 19:52.43 | reavengrey | It worked |
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| 19:52.48 | Bushmills | that'd disqualify the same address in case dhcp doesn't replay |
| 19:52.50 | Bushmills | reply |
| 19:52.52 | reavengrey | I had no idea the order mattered :/ |
| 19:52.54 | dvs | !beer stew |
| 19:52.54 | dpkg | pulls out a tasty Jever for stew |
| 19:52.56 | wolfric | and i'm fairly sure if you do dhcp and cancel it, it removes the ip. |
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| 19:53.02 | reavengrey | Lol |
| 19:53.11 | reavengrey | Thanks, yo |
| 19:53.19 | wolfric | as in your static ip will no longer work |
| 19:53.28 | stew | 14:06 < reavengrey> If I place an entry into /etc/fstab like so: |
| 19:53.28 | stew | 14:06 < reavengrey> /dev/sda5 /void vfat rw,users,exec |
| 19:53.34 | stew | i wonder why that didn't work then |
| 19:53.56 | reavengrey | That was an example I typed up from my head to explain the problem |
| 19:54.03 | stew | that's why we wasted so much time, then |
| 19:54.16 | reavengrey | Yea, but how was I to know the order mattered? :(( |
| 19:54.25 | reavengrey | Sorry, yo |
| 19:54.29 | stew | reavengrey: because you were looking at the same manpage I was? |
| 19:54.45 | reavengrey | I've read it before, never talked about order :/ |
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| 19:55.06 | oxi_ | hi |
| 19:55.08 | stew | hah |
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| 19:55.14 | reavengrey | whatup whatup |
| 19:55.27 | oxi | how can I create a tar.bz2 of /mnt/sda1, where a /mnt/sda1/somedir/samplefile.txt is stored with the absolute path /somedir/samplefile.txt within the tar.bz2? |
| 19:55.37 | oxi | I'd like to strip out the mount path, but still store an absolute path ( example: /somedir/samplefile.txt ) within the tar.bz2 ... |
| 19:55.46 | oxi | ... and not store a relative path ( example: ./somedir/samplefile.txt ) within the tar.bz2. |
| 19:56.27 | thewanderer1 | oxi: tar --help | grep absolute |
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| 19:57.34 | thewanderer1 | oxi: note that, to avoid tar bombs, tar may remove the leading slash from pathnames while extracting, so if it doesn't extract it correctly, use the same option when unpacking |
| 19:58.02 | oxi | ok |
| 19:58.05 | oxi | thanks a lot |
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| 19:59.17 | Bushmills | wolfric: assign a static address which is not in the dhcp pool - maybe leave a few addresses out at the end of dhcp pool, and keep them reserved for static fallback use that way |
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| 19:59.30 | thewanderer1 | I'm now facing this problem and are looking for a solution: distributed backup. I have a few friends and we'll dedicate some disk space to one another's backups. I know they should be stored encrypted with GPG, but... how to preserve all metadata (with ACL and extattr) that I possibly can? |
| 19:59.55 | thewanderer1 | I could mirror whole filesystems but the links are currently too slow for this |
| 20:00.08 | Bushmills | or, add a section to dhcpd config which assigns the interface with your mac a static address |
| 20:00.48 | thewanderer1 | wolfric: how about running dual-stack boxes and relying on IPv6 link-local addressing when IPv4 is not available from the DHCP server? |
| 20:00.56 | thewanderer1 | (link-local always works) |
| 20:01.18 | dvs | thewanderer1: you could use rsync to do the backup. It's suppose to be very efficient (but I haven't used it myself) |
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| 20:01.40 | thewanderer1 | dvs: sure, but the main concern is metadata... I need to keep everything |
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| 20:02.01 | dvs | ok, I tried ;-) |
| 20:02.03 | thewanderer1 | and I have no guarantee that the destination machines will support ext4 which I currently use - it might end up on VFAT as well... :/ |
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| 20:04.03 | Bushmills | thewanderer1: create a file system image on backup drive, mount backup volume with sshfs (or other), then loop mount the file system image. write files there using some encryption driver, for example encfs |
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| 20:05.12 | thewanderer1 | Bushmills: hey, sounds quite reasonable... actually I was thinking about LUKS if images would be needed. any advantage of EncFS over LUKS? |
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| 20:05.24 | blinki | where can I see a list of what's installed when "Standard system utilities" is selected? |
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| 20:05.28 | Bushmills | not sure. encfs is simple to use. |
| 20:05.56 | stew | blinki: aptitude search '~prequired' '~pimportant' '~pstandard' |
| 20:06.01 | riot | anyone here with a wacom tablet? My pen works as pointing device but doesn't "press buttons" :( |
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| 20:06.47 | blinki | stew: on another debian6 box then |
| 20:06.58 | stew | yes |
| 20:07.07 | thewanderer1 | Bushmills: so encfs is a filesystem within a filesystem... however, metadata could be tricky with that |
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| 20:07.24 | blinki | ty |
| 20:07.50 | thewanderer1 | but the client managing the remote FS is neat indeed |
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| 20:08.01 | Bushmills | it'd not a real file system. it just encrypts file names and contents |
| 20:08.15 | thewanderer1 | yes, but the lack of ACL support is a show-stopper |
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| 20:09.33 | jelly-home | my ubuntu single-user netbook is doing encfs for $HOME and it works rather nice |
| 20:09.42 | thewanderer1 | sure, but it breaks ACL |
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| 20:09.54 | thewanderer1 | and it's really crucial here |
| 20:10.01 | jelly-home | single-user |
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| 20:10.05 | thewanderer1 | I know... |
| 20:10.09 | Bushmills | does that matter for backupped data? |
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| 20:10.17 | thewanderer1 | yes |
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| 20:10.29 | jelly-home | Bushmills: only if you need to back up your ACLs (and you do if you have them) |
| 20:10.44 | thewanderer1 | cause I have no external database with privilege levels - it's all in metadata |
| 20:11.29 | jelly-home | so add ACL support to encfs ;-) |
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| 20:11.33 | thewanderer1 | eh |
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| 20:11.42 | thewanderer1 | even then, native filesystem backups are better |
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| 20:12.27 | thewanderer1 | hmm... with LUKS, would I know if someone changed the contents of the image? |
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| 20:15.29 | jelly-home | where's debhelper gone? |
| 20:15.44 | MaDSeN | smoking I guess |
| 20:15.45 | MaDSeN | :D |
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| 20:17.29 | KaffeeJunky123 | I found out why udev bugged, there was a script in rc2.d named S02udev, so the system tried to start udev twice ^^ |
| 20:17.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | it's already started in rcS.d |
| 20:18.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | note to self, never ever enable udev in services-admin |
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| 20:19.21 | jelly-home | services-what? |
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| 20:20.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | jelly-home: a stupid gnome application that is supposed to manage some rc.d stuff |
| 20:20.15 | jelly-home | ah, Gnome |
| 20:20.33 | jelly-home | sounds like a RC bug to me! |
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| 20:21.00 | KaffeeJunky123 | jelly-home: it is definitly a bug in services-admin, that silly thing doesn't work at all |
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| 20:21.44 | KaffeeJunky123 | jelly-home: it seems to bug the rc.d config for the services that it is supposed to enable when you're enabling the checkbox |
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| 20:22.53 | debiantonio | my MX440 128 mb AGP 8x cannot play Debian 6.0, old MX440 64 mb AGP 8x play fine 8), i'm crazy 8[ |
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| 20:24.32 | thewanderer1 | debiantonio: define "can't play" |
| 20:24.36 | KaffeeJunky123 | debiantonio: how did you install the nvidia driver? |
| 20:24.57 | KaffeeJunky123 | thewanderer1: I'd guess opengl doesn't work, because that's the only thing that would make sense ^^ |
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| 20:25.38 | thewanderer1 | I have one of these cards, just don't remember which... works fine with nvidia tho |
| 20:25.54 | thewanderer1 | perhaps now it's nvidia-legacy |
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| 20:26.38 | debiantonio | not install, black display, block pc, have switch only |
| 20:27.20 | debiantonio | loking dmesg |
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| 20:29.11 | debiantonio | Detected an NV10 generation card (0x018100a2) |
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| 20:31.46 | thewanderer1 | where is "star", the enhanced tar? |
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| 20:33.54 | jelly-home | judd: versions star |
| 20:33.57 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'star' was found in i386. |
| 20:34.15 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: could it be Schily took it away |
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| 20:34.25 | thewanderer1 | who? |
| 20:34.31 | jelly-home | the author |
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| 20:34.44 | thewanderer1 | O.o need a tar with metadata support |
| 20:34.53 | jelly-home | build it from source |
| 20:34.54 | thewanderer1 | or any equivalent (not exactly for tapes) archiver |
| 20:34.56 | stew | there should be no more schillyware in the archive |
| 20:35.12 | stew | i don't know if star once was |
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| 20:35.34 | thewanderer1 | Schillyware? |
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| 20:35.53 | jelly-home | stew: did he get pissed at Debian and revoke rights to redistribute all of his software? I vaguely remember star. |
| 20:36.14 | thewanderer1 | strange |
| 20:36.28 | jelly-home | Version: 1.5final-2 |
| 20:36.34 | jelly-home | 'swhat I have installed |
| 20:36.39 | thewanderer1 | anyway, I need a readily-available tool, that is, from the repo... |
| 20:36.44 | stew | jelly-home: schilly threatens lawsuits against debian maintainers, and then also threatens lawsuits when we don't distribute his software. we are going to try to keep him at a distance |
| 20:36.51 | justin_ | wonders if shilling does anything other than make tar archives and burn them on cds all day |
| 20:37.07 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: star is a decent piece of software -- if you need it, use it |
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| 20:37.12 | stew | here's the removal reason: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=564806 |
| 20:37.24 | stew | thewanderer1: it was unmaintained ^^^ |
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| 20:37.48 | thewanderer1 | heeeey bsdtar supports ACL |
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| 20:37.53 | thewanderer1 | thanks for the link stew |
| 20:37.58 | reavengrey | Noes! |
| 20:38.30 | jelly-home | no silly shenanigans this time |
| 20:38.31 | rioch | I'm creating a .deb. It works, but the resulting deb (and others) are created in the directory one-level up from my project. Is it possible to change this location? |
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| 20:39.17 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: star also handles sparse files efficiently when it can |
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| 20:39.49 | stew | oh, star also appears to be nonfree |
| 20:39.54 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: thanks, I won't be needing that tho |
| 20:40.02 | thewanderer1 | and if it's non free, it's out of the question :P |
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| 20:40.08 | debiantonio | thewandererm, compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 2.1.17 |
| 20:40.11 | jelly-home | yeah, fsvo nonfree |
| 20:40.50 | thewanderer1 | debiantonio: broader context please, this is not very informative |
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| 20:41.35 | KaffeeJunky123 | rioch: yes it is |
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| 20:42.01 | debiantonio | grep -B2 'Module class: X.Org Video Driver' /var/log/Xorg |
| 20:42.10 | KaffeeJunky123 | rioch: you should read http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 20:42.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | rioch: I think it was some command to dh_make |
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| 20:42.54 | justin_ | KaffeeJunky123: that would not be an argument to dh_make |
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| 20:44.12 | KaffeeJunky123 | justin_: you're right, I've just checked the man page of dh_make |
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| 20:45.52 | pyrophelia | is there any way to get detailed information on why I can't move or delete a file? |
| 20:46.14 | VenturiDebian | pyrophelia, check owner and permissions first |
| 20:46.30 | balleyne | is there a way to set umask for a specific directory? just the sticky bit method, or any other options? |
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| 20:46.35 | pyrophelia | i'm the owner and mod is set to 777 |
| 20:46.43 | thewanderer1 | balleyne: ACL mask |
| 20:46.44 | VenturiDebian | pyrophelia, and the target directory? |
| 20:47.01 | pyrophelia | 755 but i'm still the owner |
| 20:47.07 | balleyne | thewanderer1: thanks |
| 20:47.10 | VenturiDebian | pyrophelia, is that file in use? |
| 20:47.13 | thewanderer1 | pyrophelia: you need write access to the mother directory to delete a directory entry |
| 20:47.19 | stew | pyrophelia: moving/deleting a file requires permissions int he containing directory as well |
| 20:47.32 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: and the father directory? |
| 20:47.46 | pyrophelia | i'm sure he meant parent, I get it |
| 20:47.59 | VenturiDebian | i agree xD |
| 20:47.59 | pyrophelia | i'm in the group of the directory and it's set to 775 |
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| 20:48.32 | thewanderer1 | pyrophelia: does it have extended ACL applied? |
| 20:48.35 | stew | pyrophelia: are there attr or acls? |
| 20:48.42 | pyrophelia | lsattr shows nothing |
| 20:48.48 | pyrophelia | how do I see if there is an ACL |
| 20:49.02 | thewanderer1 | getfacl filename |
| 20:49.06 | stew | pyrophelia: if there is an acl, there will be a + at the end of the perms, and you can read them with getfacl |
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| 20:49.29 | thewanderer1 | (at the end of the perms of `ls -l` listing) |
| 20:49.52 | pyrophelia | hmm |
| 20:49.53 | pyrophelia | command not found |
| 20:50.00 | pyrophelia | but there isn't a + either |
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| 20:50.42 | thewanderer1 | then it's locked or on a VFS which prohibits this |
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| 20:51.11 | pyrophelia | vfs.. |
| 20:51.13 | pyrophelia | like lvm? |
| 20:51.21 | pyrophelia | i'm almost 100% sure it's rw let me check |
| 20:51.22 | debiantonio | thewanderer, exists modules nouveau, nv and vesa |
| 20:52.14 | pyrophelia | the LV is set to RW for sure |
| 20:52.22 | pyrophelia | if it wasn't root wouldn't be able to do anything anyway |
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| 20:52.31 | pyrophelia | how can I tell where it's locked? |
| 20:53.44 | pyrophelia | I mean there has to be something that lets me see why permission was denied. |
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| 20:54.45 | thewanderer1 | pyrophelia: perhaps "lsof | grep /where/it/is" |
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| 20:55.06 | thewanderer1 | debiantonio: alright, tried nv with it? |
| 20:55.15 | thewanderer1 | usually has decent results |
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| 20:55.35 | pyrophelia | thewanderer1: nothing |
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| 20:56.09 | thewanderer1 | pyrophelia: so run the operation you're trying to perform with strace and see what error is returned |
| 20:56.19 | stew | pyrophelia: can you use a pastebin to show us the permissions of the directory/file and the command you are running, the output of "mount" so we can double check what you are doing |
| 20:56.35 | thewanderer1 | also, are you able to write to the file? |
| 20:56.47 | pyrophelia | it's a psd so I can't really write to it |
| 20:57.07 | thewanderer1 | a what? |
| 20:57.07 | pyrophelia | and no I can't mount the FS, it's a 67TB multiuser system. unmounting right now would cause a lot of chaos. |
| 20:57.15 | pyrophelia | photoshop file |
| 20:57.22 | thewanderer1 | aha |
| 20:57.29 | stew | i mean run "mount" so that we see the mount options it is currently mounted with |
| 20:57.36 | pyrophelia | oh sure |
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| 20:58.24 | oxi | hi |
| 20:59.00 | jelly-home | pyrophelia: how do those users access that filesystem? |
| 20:59.08 | jelly-home | nfs? samba? |
| 20:59.27 | jelly-home | eitch tee tee pee? |
| 20:59.53 | sxpert | has an acpi bug with 2.6.37... battery doesn't show up (erh woot ?) |
| 21:00.11 | sxpert | trying 2.6.38_rc5 now |
| 21:00.18 | thewanderer1 | sxpert: despite 2.6.37 being a very buggy release, are you sure you've compiled in what you need? |
| 21:00.49 | oxi | what tool can I use to create a complete snapshot/backup of an EXT3 filesystem? (being root) |
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| 21:00.57 | jelly-home | sxpert: I see mt thinkpad battery stats with 2.6.37-trunk-686 |
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| 21:01.04 | oxi | I've heard that tar doesn't save xattr's and acls, possibly more |
| 21:01.46 | jelly-home | oxi: a block-based image? |
| 21:01.56 | sxpert | thewanderer1: It may be buggy but it fixed the "black screen" issue I had |
| 21:01.59 | justin_ | oxi: dump? |
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| 21:02.04 | oxi | no idea |
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| 21:02.19 | sxpert | jelly-home: dell e6510 battery doesn't show up |
| 21:02.29 | jelly-home | oxi: if the fs is on a LVM2 logical volume, you can take a snapshot and copy the snapshot device somewhere |
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| 21:02.40 | jelly-home | justin_: is there a reliable dump for ext3? |
| 21:02.46 | sxpert | according to acpi bugzilla 2.6.38_rc5 is supposed to fix that |
| 21:02.49 | thewanderer1 | oxi: copy the filesystem to somewhere else, just as it is |
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| 21:02.55 | thewanderer1 | dd |
| 21:03.12 | oxi | actually I have some linux appliance ( bomgar.com ) and I'd like to store the filesystem in some accessible/mountable state, so that I can completely restore the filesystem to if I want |
| 21:03.13 | jelly-home | but unmounted, or mounted read-only, or a snapshot thereof |
| 21:03.16 | sxpert | thewanderer1: I have the "battery" module, which doesn't appear to have any option |
| 21:03.50 | thewanderer1 | oxi: a dd dump is perfectly mountable |
| 21:03.51 | oxi | thewanderer1: I think a dd snapshot isn't that easy to access/mount? |
| 21:04.00 | oxi | ah, I didn't know that |
| 21:04.10 | thewanderer1 | mount -o loop -t ext3 wtf.img /mnt/dump |
| 21:04.17 | oxi | wow |
| 21:04.21 | pyrophelia | http://pastebin.com/G0TutYsW |
| 21:04.22 | oxi | that rocks :-) |
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| 21:04.32 | pyrophelia | I had to filter some stuff out |
| 21:04.51 | oxi | thewanderer1: what if I don't dd a partition, but the whole disk? |
| 21:05.12 | oxi | could I still mount a partition out of that dump of the whole disk? |
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| 21:05.48 | stew | oxi: yes, kpartx helps setup the devices in this case, or you have to use "offset" options to mountt |
| 21:05.48 | thewanderer1 | oxi: then you need to specify offset parameter to mount, but it still works |
| 21:05.52 | oxi | jelly-home: how do I check if it's a LVM2 logical volume? |
| 21:06.00 | pyrophelia | any ideas? |
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| 21:06.09 | thewanderer1 | pyrophelia: what does strace tell you? |
| 21:06.13 | oxi | thwanderer1: very nice, thanks! |
| 21:06.14 | pyrophelia | didn't do it yet |
| 21:06.20 | pyrophelia | also I've never used it before |
| 21:06.23 | pyrophelia | what is the syntax? |
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| 21:06.33 | thewanderer1 | just prepend whatever command you will use with "strace" |
| 21:06.34 | pyrophelia | just strace | foo -bar ? |
| 21:06.45 | pyrophelia | oh so just strace foo -bar? |
| 21:06.47 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
| 21:06.49 | pyrophelia | ok ty |
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| 21:07.01 | jelly-home | oxi: if the device is called /dev/dm-* or /dev/mapper/*-* it might be, if it's just a normal partition like /dev/sdXN it's not |
| 21:07.21 | oxi | thewanderer1: that means, if I save fdisk -l and dump dd of a disk, then I should easily be able to mount a partition out of that dump using the params of the fdisk -l list |
| 21:07.36 | thewanderer1 | oxi: yes, as far as I know |
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| 21:07.47 | oxi | jelly'home: normal partition, like /dev/sda1 |
| 21:07.58 | thewanderer1 | there was some qemu documentation that showed how to get the offsets and such... |
| 21:08.02 | jelly-home | oxi: not lvm then |
| 21:08.10 | oxi | jelly: thanks |
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| 21:08.31 | stew | oxi: or instead of messing with the offsets, let kpartx do the work for you |
| 21:08.40 | pyrophelia | um |
| 21:08.45 | pyrophelia | ok pastebin time |
| 21:08.49 | pyrophelia | I have no idea what it's saying |
| 21:08.56 | stew | pyrophelia: what is the command the fails? |
| 21:09.09 | stew | pyrophelia: and what is the output of "groups" for that user? |
| 21:09.10 | oxi | though it's attached by a sata2usb adapter and ubuntu automagically set it to /dev/sda |
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| 21:09.16 | pyrophelia | http://pastebin.com/gbuy6ta0 |
| 21:09.21 | pyrophelia | what the heck does that mean? |
| 21:09.22 | oxi | stew: nice |
| 21:10.15 | lwithers | pyrophelia: line 87 is your clue |
| 21:10.26 | lwithers | it means you don't have write permissions on whatever directory you are in |
| 21:10.46 | lwithers | what does "ls -lad ." show you? |
| 21:10.46 | thewanderer1 | this is xfs, perhaps it has some bugs lurking in the dark? |
| 21:10.58 | thewanderer1 | can you modify other files in the directory? |
| 21:11.02 | pyrophelia | neg. |
| 21:11.09 | stew | pyrophelia: what does "groups" say? |
| 21:11.10 | oxi | so, ... only dd can save/restore a comple ext3 filesystem state? (assuming the filesystem is not in a corrupt state) |
| 21:11.14 | thewanderer1 | so the whole dir is locked up? |
| 21:11.20 | pyrophelia | yea |
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| 21:11.47 | pyrophelia | http://pastebin.com/66Hx6TFy |
| 21:11.49 | pyrophelia | ls -lsa . |
| 21:11.54 | stew | oxi: not just dd, dd doesn't do anything special, you could also use more familiar tools like cp, cat, etc |
| 21:12.14 | lwithers | pyrophelia: and you are in the fusco group? |
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| 21:12.28 | pyrophelia | almost positive, how do i double check again? |
| 21:12.37 | oxi | stew: I've heard that tar doesn't save "everything": xattr's and acls, possibly more |
| 21:12.37 | lwithers | run "groups" |
| 21:12.39 | stew | 16:11 < stew> pyrophelia: what does "groups" say? |
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| 21:12.57 | stew | oxi: it doesn't |
| 21:13.09 | thewanderer1 | oxi: bsdtar saves ACL, but for complete backup still use filesystem dumps |
| 21:13.09 | pyrophelia | wow....um that's intresting. |
| 21:13.11 | oxi | stew: you feel like cp & cat would copy/save "everything of an ext3 fs? |
| 21:13.19 | thewanderer1 | pyrophelia: make a backup now please |
| 21:13.24 | pyrophelia | michaelb@fusco1:/opt/fs/legacy/LaCie$ groups |
| 21:13.24 | pyrophelia | fusprod |
| 21:13.28 | stew | oxi: yes, since they do the same thing as dd |
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| 21:13.36 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 21:13.38 | jelly-home | oxi: cp or cat of the device in question |
| 21:13.38 | thewanderer1 | pyrophelia: oh, so you weren't running as root... |
| 21:13.41 | pyrophelia | thewanderer1: I'll be doing that tonight, what do you suspect |
| 21:13.46 | crilly | Is Samba4 in the Debian repositories? |
| 21:13.51 | lwithers | oxi, rsync has options to copy and preserve xattrs/ACLs/etc. |
| 21:13.52 | oxi | stew: wow, cool, didn't know they rely on dd :-) |
| 21:13.52 | stew | oxi: if you would "dd if=src of=dest", "cp src dest" does the same (possibly faster) |
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| 21:13.57 | thewanderer1 | crilly: yes |
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| 21:14.07 | stew | oxi: they don't rely on dd |
| 21:14.09 | pyrophelia | thewanderer1: I have root open in a different window, I would never paste directly from it |
| 21:14.14 | oxi | stew: ok, very interesting |
| 21:14.24 | AlexC_ | I am trying to understand the debian/rules file for making a package from scratch; however when doing 'dpkg-buildpackage' it configures, compiles and then starts to configure again - it gets stuck in a loop! This is my file: http://paste2.org/p/1250437 - any ideas? |
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| 21:14.36 | lwithers | pyrophelia: so it looks like you're not in the fusco group, which I guess is the problem |
| 21:14.43 | pyrophelia | that's odd. |
| 21:14.45 | stew | oxi: but they all just do the same thing in this case, which is very simple: open both files, copy bits from one to the other until you run out of room or run out of bits |
| 21:14.54 | thewanderer1 | AlexC_: you should probably try #debian-mentors (or whatever it was called) |
| 21:14.58 | pyrophelia | why would it matter if the file is 775 and i'm the owner? |
| 21:15.02 | lwithers | you can also inspect the file /etc/group if you like |
| 21:15.06 | stew | pyrophelia: you are root? |
| 21:15.14 | pyrophelia | I can be, but I rarely use it |
| 21:15.22 | pyrophelia | I know I can move the file as root but i'm trying to avoid that |
| 21:15.23 | AlexC_ | thewanderer1: seems to be invite only |
| 21:15.25 | stew | pyrophelia: the owner is root, so if you are not root, you are not the owner |
| 21:15.29 | Iridos | pyrophelia, it's not the file, it is the directory it is in |
| 21:15.38 | crilly | Hmm. Using apt, how do I list the version od software inside of a package? |
| 21:15.44 | pyrophelia | hmm |
| 21:15.47 | stew | AlexC_: its on irc.debian.org, not here |
| 21:16.04 | AlexC_ | I think I know what's causing it though, I have "build-stamp: configure", so I guess that is where it's doing the configure twice |
| 21:16.07 | lwithers | stew, pyrophelia: if a directory has group write permissions, and you are a member of the group, you can create, rename and remove files in that directory |
| 21:16.10 | AlexC_ | stew: ah, thank you |
| 21:16.16 | Iridos | pyrophelia, moving (removing) a file makes a change to the directory it is in, which you are not allowed to |
| 21:16.20 | stew | lwithers: yes, but he isn't |
| 21:16.24 | pyrophelia | WTF? |
| 21:16.27 | pyrophelia | how the hell did that happen? |
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| 21:16.30 | pyrophelia | i'm not in fusco |
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| 21:16.51 | stew | pyrophelia: did you just get added to that group? (if so, it wouldn't affect sessions that existed before being added) |
| 21:16.51 | thewanderer1 | pyrophelia: you're no longer in Kansas, even |
| 21:16.55 | lwithers | pyrophelia: if you changed the groups recently (i.e. in your current session) you have to start a new login for that change to take effect |
| 21:17.14 | stew | (or run newgrp fusco in that shell) |
| 21:17.17 | pyrophelia | no I did that months ago |
| 21:17.34 | pyrophelia | hang on a sec, let me see if I can't fix this.... |
| 21:17.36 | pyrophelia | sorry about this |
| 21:17.39 | thewanderer1 | cosmic rays :) |
| 21:17.40 | pyrophelia | I should have checked that first |
| 21:17.40 | lwithers | I guess somebody reverted it then :) |
| 21:18.06 | pyrophelia | I'm going to beat her ass. I know she did this to fuck with me. |
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| 21:19.15 | oxi | how do I verify a "dd | gz > foobar.gz" was completely successful? |
| 21:19.39 | lwithers | well, it will print an error message if it fails, is that what you mean? |
| 21:19.42 | OpenTokix | oxi: it throws an error |
| 21:19.53 | OpenTokix | oxi: tip: use lzop, alot faster |
| 21:19.53 | stew | oxi: compare zcat foobar.gz | md5sum to md5sum /dev/whatever |
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| 21:20.01 | oxi | I had it running for a whole day to a smb mount and one time I stumpled over the network cable, but I quickly plugged in the cable again |
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| 21:21.02 | oxi | OpenTokix: so if it didn't show any error, I can be confident I did a full low-level, complete 1/0 snapshot of the whole disk (excluding it's SMART information and excluding it's firmware) |
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| 21:21.20 | OpenTokix | oxi: i think it ignored the smart-info |
| 21:21.28 | OpenTokix | oxi: its a byte by byte copy of the blockdevice |
| 21:22.02 | oxi | the fact that I stumbled over the network cable and had it unpugged for about 5 seconds didn't cause any data loss? |
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| 21:22.10 | oxi | I was storing to a smb mount |
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| 21:22.24 | ScottG | What is the method called for getting newer packages into Debian? apt-pinning or something? |
| 21:22.31 | KB1JWQ | Backports, usually. |
| 21:22.32 | KB1JWQ | :-) |
| 21:22.33 | lwithers | oki, I don't believe it would be a problem; that sort of thing is typically recovered very quickly by the network stack |
| 21:22.35 | OpenTokix | oxi: well... then I would redo it |
| 21:22.39 | lwithers | oxi, ^^ |
| 21:22.46 | oxi | OpenTokix: ok :-) |
| 21:22.51 | stew | or just check the md5sum |
| 21:22.56 | OpenTokix | oxi: and try to sit still. |
| 21:23.20 | OpenTokix | stew: Please explain how |
| 21:23.26 | stew | again? |
| 21:23.32 | pyrophelia | and she's laughing hysterically. nerd humor I guess. thanks guys |
| 21:23.40 | pyrophelia | that was the problem |
| 21:23.41 | OpenTokix | stew: he is dd:ing a blockdevice thru gzip |
| 21:23.47 | stew | OpenTokix: zcat foo.img.gz | md5sum |
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| 21:23.54 | oxi | I was just wondering if when doing a pipe: dd | gz, if it then would only verify reading and throwing errors when reading or if it would also throw errors on write errors (smb mount disconnect for example) |
| 21:23.55 | stew | OpenTokix: compared to md5sum /dev/whatever |
| 21:24.19 | OpenTokix | intresting |
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| 21:24.53 | oxi | stew: good idea, cool |
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| 21:25.17 | plugwash | anyone else getting key issues with security.debian.org on lenny? |
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| 21:25.40 | homie | yes |
| 21:25.50 | homie | not only that, also sid |
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| 21:25.55 | stew | plugwash: we recently changed our signing key |
| 21:25.56 | lwithers | oxi: it would abort and print an error message on any sort of error, including if it was unable to successfully write the data to the destination device (in your case the SMB mount) |
| 21:25.57 | oxi | stew: md5sum /dev/sda |
| 21:25.57 | pyrophelia | ok I know this is off topic, but that was slick. how can I get back at another admin without risking dmg to data? |
| 21:25.59 | homie | md5sum |
| 21:26.01 | ScottG | Are the instructions on this page geared towards people who are running stable or will it work for someone who is using unstable? http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 21:26.12 | stew | plugwash: http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2011/msg00002.html |
| 21:26.14 | oxi | md5sum: /dev/sda: No such file or directory |
| 21:26.37 | oxi | stew: that doesn't work for a block device |
| 21:26.46 | stew | oxi: yes it does |
| 21:26.49 | lwithers | is the block device actually present? |
| 21:26.54 | lwithers | what does ls show you? |
| 21:27.02 | stew | oxi: it doesn't work for block devices that don't exist, sure |
| 21:27.05 | plugwash | stew, hmm I'd have expected any new key to be pushed out in new versions of debian-archive-keyring before it was used |
| 21:27.15 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: Unstable doesn't get backports, the backports come from unstable. |
| 21:27.35 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: So if I wanted newer versions of packages in unstable what would I have to do? |
| 21:27.39 | stew | ScottG: for running stable. there wouldn't be stuff on backports newer than what is available from unstable anyway |
| 21:27.45 | oxi | stew: oops, drive accidently disconnected :-) |
| 21:27.46 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: Unstable is where we find out what the new packages break. |
| 21:27.53 | stew | ScottG: (backports don't come from unstable, they come from testing, btw) |
| 21:28.02 | stew | (backports-sloppy comes from unstable maybe) |
| 21:28.18 | jhutchins_lt | They start out in unstable. |
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| 21:28.51 | ScottG | stew: Wait im sorry, I am on testing. I'm confused now. There is stable, testing, unstable, experimental? |
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| 21:29.07 | jhutchins_lt | !uupdate |
| 21:29.08 | dpkg | uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile> |
| 21:29.10 | oxi | stew: yeah, very cool, that works |
| 21:29.24 | stew | ScottG: yes, but note that experimental is only a partial set of broken packages, not a full release |
| 21:29.27 | oxi | stew: nice hint, thanks |
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| 21:29.39 | stew | ScottG: and if you are on testing, backports should never have anything newer than what is already available to you |
| 21:30.21 | Bushmills | ScottG: there's also oldstable |
| 21:30.41 | ScottG | stew: I thought there were just 3 different types. Stable testing and unstable |
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| 21:31.29 | ScottG | Does experimental come after unstable and have newer packages? |
| 21:31.29 | stew | ScottG: there is oldstable. experimental is worth ignoring, its a dumping ground for dangerous garbage |
| 21:31.39 | stew | ScottG: sometimes newer, sometimes older |
| 21:31.45 | plugwash | ok found the issue, it seems virgin media need a slap, their mirror is FIVE point releases behind current |
| 21:31.51 | ScottG | stew: What is the point of experimental? |
| 21:31.59 | VenturiDebian | does anyone knows what's the best freenode.net server to connect from Spain, please? |
| 21:32.03 | stew | ScottG: a place to put broken dangerous garbage that might not work |
| 21:32.04 | VenturiDebian | know* |
| 21:32.10 | queso | How do I do a minimal install? Deselect "Standard system utilities"? Also, if for a virtual machine, is there a specially optimized kernel I should use? |
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| 21:32.23 | Bushmills | VenturiDebian: find out by using apt-spy |
| 21:32.47 | Bushmills | ehm ... never mind... "freenode" not "debian"... |
| 21:32.50 | plugwash | the point of experimental is to provide a place for devs to put packages that they do not yet consider suitable for putting in unstable either because of a freeze, because they are betas, because the packaing is broken or whatever |
| 21:33.04 | sako | how would you start a process at boot (for example httpd) |
| 21:33.04 | plugwash | you can use stuff from there is you want but be careful |
| 21:33.16 | ScottG | stew: Well basically what I want to do is enable myself to have newer versions of a few packages but do it the correct way for Debian. |
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| 21:33.30 | ScottG | stew: For example I might want a newer version of pidgin or firefox. |
| 21:33.32 | VenturiDebian | Bushmills, i meant to connect irc using freenode.net server |
| 21:33.46 | jelly-home | ScottG: sometimes, helping the maintainer make a usable package; other times, using a driver that is known to break on some hardware but may work better on some other |
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| 21:34.24 | jelly-home | ScottG: the latter is how sometime I use xorg drivers from experimental |
| 21:34.53 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: Did you see the earlier message from dpkg regarding uupdate? |
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| 21:35.15 | VenturiDebian | Bushmills, but thanks for the hint, i knew it yet but thank you |
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| 21:35.52 | jhutchins_lt | VenturiDebian: You should just connect to irc.freenode.net and let the system pick the best server. |
| 21:36.44 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: Yea. I didn't really understand it or how it related to what I was trying to do |
| 21:36.51 | MrFrood | VenturiDebian: jhutchins_lt use the regional node |
| 21:36.56 | stew | VenturiDebian: ask #freenode |
| 21:37.11 | VenturiDebian | :-S |
| 21:37.16 | stew | VenturiDebian: but its probably chat.eu.freenode.net |
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| 21:37.26 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: uupdate is a script that will allow you to update packages newer than sid. |
| 21:37.30 | VenturiDebian | yes, i use it, and i still feel laggy |
| 21:37.41 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: ssb is the method to backport your own copy from sid. |
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| 21:38.01 | VenturiDebian | thanks everybody |
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| 21:38.23 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: Backporting your own is much safer than installing directly from sid to squeeze or wheezy. |
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| 21:39.50 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: I thought backporting was irrelevant to someone like me who uses testing |
| 21:40.14 | VenturiDebian | does anyone has a gtx460 nvidia card with nouveau drivers working with smooth video playback? |
| 21:41.00 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: No, you can still backport from sid. |
| 21:41.05 | VenturiDebian | again have* sorry xD |
| 21:41.10 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: It's just that there isn't a backports repository for testing. |
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| 21:42.14 | Anon667 | hi |
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| 21:42.43 | TREVORDALEY | HI |
| 21:42.47 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: Ah ok. How would I backport from sid/ |
| 21:42.51 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: Usually though, if something like pidgin needs to be updated because Yahoo pulled a fast one with their servers it will move through the system pretty quickly on it's own. |
| 21:43.01 | jhutchins_lt | !tell ScottG about ssb |
| 21:43.09 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: See msg from dpkg. |
| 21:43.09 | TREVORDALEY | what about GOOGLE |
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| 21:43.41 | TREVORDALEY | GOOGLE is the fastest |
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| 21:43.48 | TREVORDALEY | with roadrunner |
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| 21:44.23 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: I mean, right now I have maually installed packages of pidgin and exaile but they mess up every so often. They need to be updated |
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| 21:44.30 | ScottG | And they are in sid |
| 21:44.30 | TREVORDALEY | oh |
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| 21:44.37 | oxi | hi |
| 21:44.45 | TREVORDALEY | hi |
| 21:44.51 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: So backport them via ssb. |
| 21:45.02 | ScottG | Checking into that now |
| 21:45.10 | ScottG | What does ssb stand for? |
| 21:45.11 | TREVORDALEY | wereere talking about stupid stuff WHY? |
| 21:45.18 | abrotman | !tell ScottG about ssb |
| 21:45.21 | TREVORDALEY | why |
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| 21:45.47 | ScottG | lol he already "told" me about it. It doesn't say what it stands for. I was just curious |
| 21:45.49 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: You would ignore the parts about checking and enabling backports. |
| 21:45.56 | oxi | stew: I'm wondering: is it possible to "multipipe"? .... do a dd /dev/sda | gz and a md5sum /dev/sda in one shot? |
| 21:46.01 | abrotman | ScottG: simple sid backport |
| 21:46.08 | jhutchins_lt | Simple or Single Sid Backport |
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| 21:46.20 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, lag. |
| 21:46.31 | oxi | ie. calc the md5 sum of a block device and do a lowlevel backup of a block device in one shot |
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| 21:47.16 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: If I ignore the parts about checking and enabling backports all that's left to do is this: |
| 21:47.23 | oxi | is there a concept for parallel/threaded/serial/.... piping? |
| 21:47.24 | ScottG | aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs |
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| 21:47.33 | lwithers | oki, yes, you can use a named pipe/FIFO: |
| 21:47.35 | oxi | or piping "network" |
| 21:47.38 | oxi | ok |
| 21:47.44 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: Correct. |
| 21:47.55 | lwithers | oxi: mkfifo "my_pipe" && cat file | tee my_pipe | gzip > dest |
| 21:47.59 | lwithers | for example |
| 21:48.03 | oxi | wow |
| 21:48.12 | oxi | awesome! :-) |
| 21:48.18 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: Well, that and first add the deb-src entry for sid. |
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| 21:48.27 | oxi | the piping concept can really go far - I didn't expect that |
| 21:48.47 | lwithers | at some point it becomes easier to write small C programs though :) |
| 21:48.57 | oxi | :-) |
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| 21:52.49 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: Kind of a newb question, but how would I add that line to my sources file? Do I need to remove another line? |
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| 21:53.35 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: http://pastebin.com/hbesmcc6 That's what my file looks like now |
| 21:53.57 | jhutchins_lt | look at the lines that begin with deb-src, and one just like that but with "sid" or "unstable" in place of "wheezy". |
| 21:54.18 | GBGames | Is the time command a good way to check how long an application runs in terms of clock-on-the-wall time, or does the "real" mean CPU time? |
| 21:54.19 | joewefwef | what porn irc is there? |
| 21:54.59 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: so echo "deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable contrib main non-free" >> /etc/apt/source.list |
| 21:55.04 | lwithers | GBGames: it is good for that, real is the wall elapsed time (try "time sleep 1" for example) |
| 21:55.09 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: You mean in place of testing? |
| 21:55.13 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: BTW you want to replace "testing" with "wheezy". |
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| 21:55.29 | GBGames | lwithers: Ah, thanks for the example! |
| 21:55.31 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: On the existing lines. |
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| 21:55.39 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: I don't think so. I don't want to get frozen into stable. I want to stay on testing |
| 21:55.59 | Hyperi | Hi, does someone remember this cool and fun looking Apache access log parser? I remember it running in console - having 'clients' move around the screen |
| 21:56.00 | GBGames | lwithers: I had an application that came back saying it took 5 real minutes and 3 user minutes, and the disparity made me wonder which one I needed to pay attention to. |
| 21:56.02 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: It's not a rolling release. Just pay attention to what's going on and switch when the time comes. |
| 21:56.09 | Hyperi | And on right side it has more detailed list |
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| 21:56.26 | Hyperi | 1.5h googling didn't help me much, and I'm sure I ran into it some months ago :/ |
| 21:56.37 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: Why wouldn't I just stay on testing? |
| 21:56.51 | lwithers | GBGames: user is time spent doing work in userspace (e.g. calculations); sys is time spent in system calls (e.g. writing data to disk or network) |
| 21:57.07 | ScottG | I thought the only difference was that the current testing version name would get frozen but if you had "testing" in there it wouldn't |
| 21:57.17 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: There can be serious issues at the changeover, and one of the things that is very untested and unprepared is the upgrade process. |
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| 21:57.39 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: Things like hal to udev, ide consolidation with scsi, etc. |
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| 21:58.31 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: You get packages and subsystems that are replaced with different package names, no method to follow the change, system br0ken. |
| 21:58.32 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: Hm, well my friend who as used Debian for a while told me to put testing in there |
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| 21:59.14 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: Probably thinks you should run testing instead of stable because it's "newer packages" too. |
| 21:59.16 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: Although I'm not sure if I have done an aptitude upgrade since squeeze was frozen. I just do safe-upgrades |
| 21:59.21 | twinkie_addict | wtf is the diferance between iceweasel and iceape ? |
| 21:59.35 | jelly-home | completely different animals |
| 21:59.42 | cm_ | :D |
| 21:59.45 | jhutchins_lt | ,info iceape |
| 21:59.45 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: Well stable is really only for servers in my opinion |
| 21:59.46 | judd | Package iceape (web, optional) in squeeze/i386: The Iceape Internet Suite. Version: 2.0.11-2; Size: 40.8k; Installed: 88k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/iceape |
| 21:59.51 | plugwash | iceweasel is rebranded firefox, iceape is rebranded seamonkey |
| 22:00.14 | twinkie_addict | ah |
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| 22:00.14 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: If I am going to backport everything in testing to stable if I am on stable, why not just use testing? |
| 22:00.29 | enthdegree | how hard would it be to program a driver for an IR keyboard? |
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| 22:00.50 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: Because you need a reliable system that doesn't break and make you spend time working on the computer instead of with the computer. |
| 22:01.07 | jelly-home | ScottG: you're not going to backport "everything", noone _needs_ new versions of "everything" |
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| 22:01.12 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: If you're just doing it for fun to help the testing team, no reason not to run testing. |
| 22:01.36 | boinker | How do I shutdown x? |
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| 22:01.41 | lwithers | enthdegree: I'm not too sure, but take a look at the lirc package to see if it has something you can use or build on |
| 22:01.45 | ScottG | True. But I have a very stable system now. The most stable system I have ever had and I am on testing |
| 22:01.46 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: If you're obsessed with having the latest version numbers as opposed to a reliable system, Debian is probably not for you. |
| 22:02.06 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: I only want the latest version of things I regularly interact with |
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| 22:02.18 | jhutchins_lt | Sigh. Numberitis strikes again. |
| 22:02.43 | ScottG | You do realize "stable" is not always better |
| 22:02.55 | ScottG | I was on stable for a while and packages had numerous problems that were fixed in testing |
| 22:03.11 | jelly-home | ScottG: what is the set of packages you absolutely require newest verions of? |
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| 22:03.34 | jelly-home | ScottG: is it more than 5 apps? |
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| 22:04.16 | ScottG | I don't absolutely require. I would just like to have the option of having them. For example, I upgraded my version of exaile and it worked much better overall. However, had it not worked better I would have just stayed with the older version |
| 22:04.48 | jelly-home | you usually have that option via backporting. |
| 22:05.17 | boinker | Anyone? How do I shutdown x? |
| 22:05.32 | ScottG | How exactly does backporting work? When I set up backporting how do I selectively upgrade a few packages? |
| 22:05.50 | VenturiDebian | anyone having problems with netbeans on sid? |
| 22:05.56 | ScottG | boinker: What is your desktop manager? |
| 22:06.06 | ScottG | boinker: gdm? |
| 22:06.09 | jelly-home | boinker: /msg dpkg nodm ... after disabling the login manager, log out from your current session. |
| 22:06.15 | boinker | ScottG: yes, gnome |
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| 22:06.40 | ScottG | boinker: I believe you do `service gdm stop` |
| 22:06.43 | jelly-home | boinker: why do you want to shut X down completely instead of just logging out? |
| 22:07.15 | karsten-nr | ScottG: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html#_volatile_and_backports |
| 22:07.16 | boinker | i guess i want to log out, how do i do that? |
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| 22:07.43 | ScottG | Not sure. I think in one of the toolbars there should be a logout option |
| 22:07.44 | karsten-nr | !tell ScottG about backports |
| 22:07.46 | jelly-home | ScottG: the way I've done it was manual, one-off basis building of select source packages. |
| 22:08.00 | jelly-home | ScottG: this: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 22:08.27 | plugwash | jelly-home, backports can help to a degree but not all packages have distro supplied backports and manual backporting while sometimes trivial can also sometimes be a massive PITA |
| 22:08.30 | ScottG | jelly-home: Well that is what I did with exaile. I got a .deb of it and dpkg -i <package> but that seems to have caused issues |
| 22:08.52 | plugwash | really if it's your own desktop and you are prepared to fix it if/when it breaks I see little reason not to just use testing |
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| 22:09.02 | jelly-home | plugwash: I wasn't referring to "distro supplied backports" at all, only to own builds. |
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| 22:10.23 | lwithers | ScottG, you might also find something like Fedora meets your requirements better if you like to keep closer to current upstream versions |
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| 22:11.07 | ScottG | Nah. I've only heard bad things about Fedora. The only other distro I am interested in trying out is Arch |
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| 22:11.31 | buntunub | Arch = upstream |
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| 22:12.01 | buntunub | its like Sid on severe steroids :P |
| 22:12.09 | lwithers | fair enough, it depends on what you're interested in. Personally I found Gentoo was very nice for developing software and much easier to create packages (ebuilds) for, but looking after 12 machines was just too much work; Debian has proved better for my needs |
| 22:12.22 | tuzok | anyone got radeon 5770 with "radeon" driver working on Squeeze? |
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| 22:12.33 | buntunub | yea Gentoo is nice |
| 22:12.35 | cafuego | I've had the misfortune of having to fix someones Arch box at some stage |
| 22:12.40 | lwithers | Fedora is supposed to be pretty good for developers too and they are targetting desktop users who want pretty up-to-date releases of things |
| 22:12.48 | cafuego | I really don't understand why they reinvented a broken init setup. |
| 22:12.58 | ScottG | Yea, I was on Gentoo before this |
| 22:13.04 | buntunub | if you really want a super optimized ultra stable build then Gentoo is it |
| 22:13.12 | lwithers | honestly, I got fed up of having to fix Gentoo and work around its brokenness, but that was just my experience. Different people like different things |
| 22:13.21 | fredden | is the best place to discuss a bug on its bug page? #debian-bugs seems a little empty... |
| 22:13.33 | cafuego | I like having software work without needing to spend an hour compiling it. |
| 22:13.37 | ScottG | Yea, Gentoo was nice when I had the time to mess around with it. But it was a lot of work |
| 22:13.44 | lwithers | yeah, that's a nice change cafuego :) |
| 22:13.57 | cafuego | I did that in the 90s. Really REALLY did enough of that. |
| 22:14.26 | lwithers | and Debian have done a huge amount more work integrating packages than Gentoo did, which has helped reduce my admin workload to almost nothing |
| 22:14.29 | buntunub | yea lot of work to setup your system but once thats done its good to go |
| 22:14.59 | cafuego | buntunub: Until there's a security fix, then you have to compile shit *again* |
| 22:15.10 | buntunub | Arch is the same way but updates are so frequent and untested that breakages can really screw you |
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| 22:15.17 | cafuego | And fixes are released about once a day for most systems I admin. |
| 22:15.18 | lwithers | things like exim and postgres just work out of the box, and you're not on your own when it comes to upgrade time |
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| 22:15.44 | ScottG | How does the /etc/apt/profiles.d directory work? |
| 22:15.51 | ScottG | s/profiles/preferences |
| 22:16.12 | cafuego | So they're now riddled with security holes, buntunub? |
| 22:16.25 | sshock | I upgraded debian to squeeze and now it won't run my .xinitrc even though it is in my "Startup Applications". |
| 22:16.38 | sshock | how can I figure out why it is not working? |
| 22:17.24 | sshock | I tried changing the command from "/home/sshock/.xinitrc" to "/bin/bash /home/sshock/.xinitrc" but that didn't help. |
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| 22:18.24 | tuzok | sshock: check .xsession-error if there is anything... |
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| 22:18.40 | ScottG | sshock: That's one reason why I stopped using de's. I just start everything up myself |
| 22:18.45 | cafuego | I don't think I'll ever hire you as a sysadmin, buntunub ;-0 |
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| 22:19.32 | sshock | de's ? |
| 22:19.49 | sshock | tuzok: thanks I will look at that |
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| 22:22.29 | Chelsea__ | Hi all, I've been meaning to ask, everytime I start conky (default values, ugly black screen) in Xmonad, cpu-usage goes to 100%. Seen it in Ubuntu 10.4, Debian 5.0 stable, Virtualboxed Ubuntu 10.10. |
| 22:22.35 | cafuego | Oh he went away. |
| 22:22.48 | cafuego | I thought he had to use .xsession because .xinit was deprecated |
| 22:22.50 | Chelsea__ | Am I the only one? |
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| 22:23.18 | sshock | I do see a handful of "Could not launch application" in my .xsession-errors, but none of them refers to my .xinitrc. |
| 22:23.29 | cafuego | sshock: rename .xinitrc to .xsession |
| 22:23.39 | cafuego | sshock: and start X using 'startx' and not 'xinit'. |
| 22:23.42 | ScottG | or make a link |
| 22:24.15 | sshock | cafuego: X gets started by gdm or something |
| 22:24.37 | sshock | but I will try renaming it |
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| 22:25.29 | sshock | (but you'd think if I have it in gnome startup applications, I can call it anything I want) |
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| 22:31.03 | sshock | renaming my script to .xsession made it so gnome wouldn't even start |
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| 22:32.27 | sshock | I'm thinking now my script actually will run with any name I want (except .xsession), but what it does gets immediately overridden. |
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| 22:39.06 | linuxguy | Hi.....Im having a problem with sounKonverter on debian 6...........a "segmentation fault"......i know it has something to do with memory.......but Im unsure what to do\ how to fix this...any help would be great |
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| 22:40.25 | sshock | I think my xmodmap settings are being overridden by something gnome launches, perhaps a keyboard layout program. |
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| 22:40.51 | fetinho | why etoys is in non-free? |
| 22:41.18 | fetinho | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/etoys |
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| 22:42.33 | freebse | fetinho: http://www.mail-archive.com/devel@lists.laptop.org/msg10363.html |
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| 22:45.31 | freebse | has anyone in here got some experience in moving LDAP from Solaris to Debian |
| 22:46.19 | freebse | I do have a problem with the versions of slapcat / slappadd |
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| 22:47.11 | sshock | I found an alternate solution; rather than try to modify the right alt in a startup script |
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| 22:47.39 | sshock | I used keyboard preferences to map it to "ISO Level 3 Shift" |
| 22:47.55 | freebse | lol, I am going to ask somewhere else I guess ;) |
| 22:47.56 | sshock | I was mapping it to Super_L (Windows key) aka Mod4 |
| 22:48.15 | sshock | now it maps to Mod5, which works fine for me |
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| 22:49.07 | Lanther | I use mod4 as the mod key in XMonad |
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| 22:49.44 | babilen | freebse: I don't think that migrating LDAP server from solaris to Debian is a very common task. It does happen, but is just not an everyday thing. I would suggest to come back later, or provide more details about the actual problems you face on the Debian side. |
| 22:50.08 | babilen | freebse: You might also ask somewhere else (slapd channel, #linux come to mind) |
| 22:50.17 | babilen | ##linux |
| 22:50.50 | karsten-nr | freebse: That's a better question for a mailing list than IRC. Technical, complex, not suited to short one-offs, and the people you want to talk to may not be online when you are. |
| 22:50.52 | freebse | babilen: ya I know, but before posting the problem I thought this is not debian specific question and I doubt there will be an answer in here |
| 22:51.09 | babilen | And I completely agree with karsten-nr as well |
| 22:51.13 | karsten-nr | freebse: I'd ping, say, the debian-user list, or one dedicated to open-ldap. |
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| 22:51.39 | babilen | I would think that a ML specific to LDAP is best |
| 22:51.49 | karsten-nr | babilen: http://www.openldap.org/lists/ |
| 22:51.53 | karsten-nr | freebse: ^^ |
| 22:52.01 | babilen | Excet if you are dealing with Debian specific problems |
| 22:52.02 | eshat | the load value keeps rising on one of our server but I can't find the responsable process |
| 22:52.03 | karsten-nr | babilen: Sorry, saw your nick first ;-) |
| 22:52.11 | freebse | It is related to version conflicts on the debian box, which I am not able to compile against a modern debian system, and the new version does not import correct, anyway I will ask somewhere else, I guess it is a bug in a newer version |
| 22:52.15 | babilen | karsten-nr: no problem at all :) |
| 22:52.22 | eshat | I just killed a zombies parent but load is still rising... any help ? |
| 22:52.25 | karsten-nr | eshat: any processes in runnable but blocked state? What's iowait look like? |
| 22:52.34 | karsten-nr | eshat: zombies don't increase load. |
| 22:52.38 | eshat | hmmm |
| 22:52.42 | karsten-nr | eshat: And you can't kill them, they're already dead. |
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| 22:52.49 | babilen | freebse: If it turns out to be a bug, file it in the Debian bug tracker too please |
| 22:52.56 | eshat | karsten-nr: I killed the parent which was syslog0ng |
| 22:53.02 | eshat | s/0/-/ |
| 22:53.11 | eshat | what is iowait ? |
| 22:53.22 | karsten-nr | eshat: that's more likely to be what I first suggested: blocked IO or network operations. |
| 22:53.26 | karsten-nr | !iowait |
| 22:53.47 | karsten-nr | Hrm... iowait is the percentage of CPU time spent waiting for IO operations. |
| 22:53.58 | freebse | babilen: off course, the prob is not realted to debian really if it is a bug than it comes down to the developer of the program, anyways thx a lot for some conversation :) happy hacking mates |
| 22:54.08 | karsten-nr | eshat: 'vmstat 4' will give you a good idea of that. |
| 22:54.34 | babilen | freebse: Good luck and may you find an answer/solution soon. Have a nice day/night :) |
| 22:55.22 | freebse | babilen: I could go home if this c*** would just run LDAP, anyways |
| 22:55.31 | karsten-nr | eshat: what's the 3rd line of 'top' output show? Paste that here *once*. |
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| 22:56.26 | karsten-nr | eshat: from the iostat and top output you pasted, iowait is 98%. |
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| 22:56.58 | anderbubble_ | IBM used a stock photo of me standing next to Intrepid (Argonne's Blue Gene/P) on Jeopardy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nt-abT8gKw |
| 22:56.59 | karsten-nr | eshat: You've likely got one or more processes blocked on disk or network IO. What is this box used for? Eg: personal desktop, database server, web server ... ? |
| 22:57.13 | eshat | karsten-nr: it is our file-server |
| 22:57.14 | karsten-nr | notes: output was pasted to private message |
| 22:57.22 | eshat | nfs |
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| 22:58.09 | babilen | karsten-nr: ah, i was just planning to steal your crystal ball |
| 22:58.32 | eshat | karsten-nr: how can I find out which process is hanging ? |
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| 22:59.00 | eshat | there are couple nfsd running... |
| 22:59.07 | karsten-nr | eshat: 'ps waux | grep ' D ' |
| 22:59.31 | karsten-nr | babilen: just don't touch the brass ones. |
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| 23:00.06 | eshat | there are almos 60 of these: nobody 338 0.0 0.0 2300 508 ? D< 21:54 0:00 /lib/udev/vol_id --export /dev/.tmp-254-24 |
| 23:00.12 | freebse | the problem is related to OpenLDAP in common and slapadd etc. it is not a debian problem, while other methods of import do work as i found out, I will write the developers, it is no debian bug |
| 23:01.35 | karsten-nr | eshat: Something's borked in your NFS setup, I'll warrant. Check your logs for any recent OOM-killer messages to see if any services were killed. |
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| 23:03.52 | lwithers | also check dmesg to see if you're getting errors from the hardware |
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| 23:04.36 | adub_ | why is the ubuntu community so much larger than debian and ubuntu is based on debian |
| 23:04.38 | karsten-nr | eshat: No specific idea of what's going wrong here, but check dmesg / system logs for helpful errors. 'sar' will give you an idea when load started climbing, which may help narrow down the point in time you're looking for. |
| 23:04.46 | karsten-nr | adub_: steroids. |
| 23:04.59 | adub_ | karsten-nr what do you mean steroids |
| 23:05.16 | karsten-nr | adub_: I mean that's an idiot question and utterly off topic. |
| 23:05.33 | eshat | karsten-nr: thank you very much |
| 23:05.42 | karsten-nr | eshat: YW. |
| 23:06.12 | adub_ | does 6.0 run the latest linux kernel |
| 23:06.15 | adub_ | stable one |
| 23:06.18 | eshat | after killing all vol_id process things seem fin for now,... but I'll check the logs after I reboot the machine tomorrow |
| 23:06.19 | adub_ | how often is debian updated |
| 23:06.29 | adub_ | how often are releases |
| 23:06.34 | lwithers | karsten-nr: what is sar ? |
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| 23:06.49 | karsten-nr | lwithers: aptitude show sysstat |
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| 23:07.20 | freebse | lwithers: Specific absorption rate :) no just kidding |
| 23:07.24 | karsten-nr | lwithers: 'sar' is the system activity reporter, which shows you sysstat-logged activity (default: 10 minute granularity). Debian includes some plotting/graphing utiliies as well. |
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| 23:07.45 | lwithers | lovely, thanks |
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| 23:08.01 | karsten-nr | lwithers: If you're not running cacti (or similar, or even if you are) it's a very useful way of seeing what's happening on the box in a general sort of way. |
| 23:08.03 | freebse | I couldn't explain this any better |
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| 23:09.13 | babilen | s/cacti/icinga |
| 23:10.50 | dondelelcaro | personally would suggest munin instead, but whatever works |
| 23:10.50 | babilen | !tell adub_ about debian |
| 23:10.55 | babilen | !tell adub_ about release history |
| 23:11.14 | karsten-nr | babilen: I'd hand him a Windows ME install disk myself, but whatever. |
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| 23:11.29 | babilen | karsten-nr: hehe |
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| 23:14.53 | fram | hi, when I do "export DISPLAY=:1.0" and launch an app, the app doesn't "see" the xinerama, which I am sure is active on the screen. Is there an environment variable I am missing? |
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| 23:15.49 | lwithers | hmm, doesn't the .0 on the end make it see only the first screen? try export DISPLAY=:1 |
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| 23:16.27 | fram | I had read it was the opposite, I'll try now |
| 23:16.41 | fram | same |
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| 23:17.29 | Flashtek | I'm still having a problem going lenny->squeeze with specific packages downloading.. |
| 23:17.59 | Flashtek | this is now on a different server.. on a different ISP, but the same damned packages giving grief.. |
| 23:18.13 | Flashtek | mlocate |
| 23:18.15 | babilen | Flashtek: I for once have no idea what you are referring to |
| 23:18.23 | Flashtek | babilen: :) |
| 23:18.39 | Flashtek | babilen: my packages are failing to download... |
| 23:18.45 | Flashtek | thus the installs fail !! |
| 23:19.21 | babilen | Yes, you said that. But you seemed to assume that people listening to you know what you are talking about. "this is now" "same damned packages" |
| 23:19.34 | lwithers | which package/version is failing, exactly |
| 23:19.45 | Flashtek | mlocate 0.22.2-1 |
| 23:19.46 | lwithers | perhaps something others are likely to have installed? |
| 23:20.03 | babilen | Flashtek: Please provide exact output and try a different mirror. |
| 23:20.09 | babilen | ,versions mlocate |
| 23:20.10 | judd | Package mlocate on i386 -- lenny: 0.21.1-1; squeeze: 0.22.2-1; sid: 0.23.1-1; wheezy: 0.23.1-1 |
| 23:20.10 | lwithers | well, I have squeeze, and my version is 0.23.1-1 |
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| 23:20.31 | Flashtek | upgrading to squeeze |
| 23:20.32 | babilen | lwithers: then something is wrong with your system |
| 23:20.46 | Flashtek | i have tried ftp.uk. and ftp.de. |
| 23:21.21 | lwithers | babilen: yeah, perhaps it is a backport or something |
| 23:22.05 | babilen | Flashtek: Can you download the package manually and place it in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
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| 23:22.23 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 23:22.26 | babilen | lwithers: it is not "apt-cache policy mlocate" will tell us more. |
| 23:22.37 | babilen | Flashtek: I would also be interested in seeing the exact output. |
| 23:22.57 | ZenWalker | why ext3 default on squeeze? ext4 is not stable? |
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| 23:23.23 | babilen | ZenWalker: Use ext4 if you want to use it |
| 23:23.24 | lwithers | babilen, under the version table I have 0.23.1-1 referenced as "100 /var/lib/dpkg/status" |
| 23:23.27 | Flashtek | http://pastebin.com/SDNhRrDK |
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| 23:23.57 | lwithers | I did recently change my sources.list from "testing" to "squeeze", perhaps I did this after installing some things from testing post-Squeeze-release? |
| 23:24.00 | babilen | lwithers: That refers to the installed version -- if there is nothing else, i can't tell you where it is from, but it is not from squeeze |
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| 23:24.14 | lwithers | indeed, I believe you :) |
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| 23:25.03 | lwithers | now, is there any way to find a list of such not-from-squeeze packages and revert them? |
| 23:25.32 | babilen | lwithers: you have most likely some packages from wheezy installed. ("testing" is bad in your sources.list) -- You could pin squeeze to 1001 and downgrade the packages. Could you run 'apt-show-versions|grep -e "/wheezy"' and paste the output (if any) |
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| 23:26.16 | _Sam-- | does anyone know if this package php5-sybase: "Sybase / MS SQL Server module for php5" allows for the use of the php mssql functions? or it would use the sybase functions? |
| 23:26.29 | babilen | Flashtek: no, i meant the failed download one |
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| 23:26.55 | Flashtek | babilen: the download just times out.. |
| 23:26.55 | karsten-nr | What's the usual delivery-only SMTP server -- smail, or are there others I'm forgetting about? |
| 23:27.06 | lwithers | babilen: nothing from wheezy, but a fair few things say "newer than version in archive" |
| 23:27.26 | babilen | Flashtek: Can you download the file manually? Does it happen for other packages as well? What about even other mirrors? |
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| 23:27.40 | karsten-nr | _Sam--: MS SQL server _is_ licensed Sybase, AFAIR. Should be both, though you might want to ask a PHP channel. |
| 23:27.58 | _Sam-- | karsten-nr : thanks, im on there now checking too. |
| 23:28.10 | babilen | lwithers: well, that is not good -- you might be lucky and able to downgrade with the pinning method. which packages are we talking about here? (paste) |
| 23:29.11 | lwithers | http://paste2.org/p/1250656 |
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| 23:29.50 | babilen | lwithers: *sigh* welcome to your frankendebian |
| 23:30.16 | lwithers | that bad huh? if you point me to a man page or guide about pinning I'll sort it tomorrow |
| 23:30.32 | babilen | i doubt it'll work |
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| 23:31.39 | babilen | some major packages have been upgraded. you could make sure your backups are up-to-date and try it. it might work or not ... other options include: run wheezy/sid or reinstall squeeze |
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| 23:32.05 | babilen | !pinning |
| 23:32.05 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 23:32.18 | lwithers | well the good news is I do have full daily backups for the last couple of years, but maybe I'll try wheezy |
| 23:32.28 | babilen | lwithers: I was referring to that ^^^ (pin priority >= 1001 allows downgrades) |
| 23:32.35 | Flashtek | ok, I downloaded the one file.. the rest are now working.. |
| 23:32.43 | babilen | Flashtek: strange :-\ |
| 23:32.54 | babilen | dpkg: squeeze->wheezy |
| 23:32.55 | dpkg | Want to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy? We've only just had a release and users of testing are in for a bumpy ride... if you have to ask how to do this, you shouldn't do it. (in the 12 hours after squeeze released, 2184 packages where changed in wheezy. That's about 14% of the archive changing.) |
| 23:33.57 | lwithers | babilen, thanks :) |
| 23:34.00 | Flashtek | babilen: exactly what happened at home.. |
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| 23:41.41 | thewanderer1 | hey, someone was asking about the OpenVZ OOM killer lately, like a week ago... you still there? |
| 23:42.21 | Flashtek | slinks out.. |
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| 23:42.41 | thewanderer1 | should have squeezed out instead, stop living in the past |
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| 23:45.54 | evilbulgarian | anyone know what option i have to add to pxe's mboot to get solaris to use pxe's networking info? |
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| 23:46.54 | thewanderer1 | perhaps it's just the small hours, but that doesn't seem right in here |
| 23:46.57 | wedge | "package mysql-server-5.0 removed but not purged" - how can I purge this without deleting databases? Im trying to get insserv to not throw up |
| 23:47.12 | thewanderer1 | wedge: backup the databases |
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| 23:47.30 | karsten-nr | wedge: purging *does* delete DBs. |
| 23:47.45 | karsten-nr | wedge: Unless you move the data elsewhere, you'll delete your database if you purge that package. |
| 23:47.50 | thewanderer1 | I think he wants to preserve his data... |
| 23:47.58 | wedge | yeah I want to preserve data :) |
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| 23:48.00 | thewanderer1 | just copy it over to somewhere |
| 23:48.04 | wedge | k |
| 23:48.31 | themill | isn't deleting the dbs or not a debconf question that defaults to "no"? |
| 23:48.42 | thewanderer1 | better safe than sorry |
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| 23:49.07 | wedge | also, there are some other packages who dont have LSB headers in init scripts. What is the recommended way to deal with this, wait till packages get updated to support new headers? |
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| 23:50.00 | JustCJs | lastlog file irc.log |
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| 23:51.01 | thewanderer1 | where'd you get headerless scripts from? I thought they are all supposed to have them now |
| 23:51.11 | wedge | thewanderer1: munin-node for example |
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| 23:52.07 | themill | wedge: all packages in squeeze should have the appropriate headers |
| 23:52.47 | thewanderer1 | you should probably write the missing headers |
| 23:53.31 | jhutchins_lt | wedge: Adapt an appropriate set of headers and submit them in a bugreport. |
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| 23:53.37 | abrotman | wedge: which version of the package? |
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| 23:53.53 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions munin-node |
| 23:53.54 | judd | Package munin-node on i386 -- lenny: 1.2.6-10~lenny2; lenny-backports: 1.4.5-3~bpo50+1; sid: 1.4.5-3; squeeze: 1.4.5-3; wheezy: 1.4.5-3 |
| 23:54.14 | themill | given that the init script is a conffile, it could easily just be left over from an old version because it was changed |
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| 23:56.18 | wedge | how do I check the current version? |
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| 23:56.46 | jhutchins_lt | wedge: dpkg -l munin-node |
| 23:56.52 | eshat | wedge: dpkg -l packagename |
| 23:56.53 | jhutchins_lt | wedge: Should also be in the script. |
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| 23:57.16 | wedge | oh wait, Im reading the error wrong |
| 23:57.26 | wedge | sorry all, munin-node does have the LSB headers |
| 23:57.56 | wedge | it's a loop between munin-node and checkfs |
| 23:58.43 | themill | jhutchins_lt: what should be in the script? |
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| 23:59.27 | wedge | http://pastebin.com/tpNQRMAH <- this is the error I get when attempting dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc |
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