| 00:00.14 | wedge | this is a system that survived an upgrade from sarge to lenny and now squeeze :) |
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| 00:02.22 | twinkie_addict | nice |
| 00:02.33 | wedge | anyway, till I get all these LSB headers sorted and old scripts fixed. How do I make sure it uses the old boot script methods? |
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| 00:05.34 | wolfric | has "dhcp3-server" changed to "isc-dhcp-server" with squeeze? |
| 00:05.42 | wedge | heh |
| 00:05.50 | wedge | removed munin-node and it stopped spamming a lot of messages |
| 00:06.05 | wedge | now I only got two custom items left to fix LSB headers |
| 00:06.10 | wolfric | can i assume it was isc all along and a more appropriate name was given? |
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| 00:06.38 | stew | wolfric: yes |
| 00:06.38 | wolfric | as it's still called dhcp3-server in the package manager but the init.d file is called isc-dhcp-server |
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| 00:11.00 | xor | hello |
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| 00:12.15 | xor | i updated everything in debian and it made my X11 stop working. so, i removed the directory /etc/X11/ because i thought i could purge the xorg installation and then reinstall it, in order to rebuild the config files. but it seems that there is no way to do that! :O :O |
| 00:12.35 | xor | it just refuse to rebuild the config files in /etc/X11/ no matter what i do |
| 00:12.45 | xor | anyone has any idea? |
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| 00:18.27 | flock-_ | How do I see how much mb a folder is using? |
| 00:19.09 | stew | flock-_: du -hs /path/to/folder |
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| 00:19.27 | stew | flock-_: though see the du manpage, there are lots of possible opti9ons |
| 00:19.37 | flock-_ | thanks stew. |
| 00:19.40 | karlpinc | xor: The new X does not need a config. |
| 00:20.01 | karlpinc | xor: Likely your problem is that you need a new video driver for your card. |
| 00:20.15 | BlackFate | xok_, there isnt just one package you need to restore |
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| 00:20.16 | karlpinc | xor: (Probably different from what you had used.) |
| 00:20.28 | BlackFate | xok_, many packages use the /etc/X11 folder |
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| 00:20.51 | BlackFate | karlpinc, he removed /etc/X11 not xorg.conf |
| 00:21.05 | karlpinc | xor: You deleted it, and didn't just move it out of the way? (Or just purge the package and re-install?) |
| 00:21.09 | karlpinc | BlackFate: I see. |
| 00:21.28 | xor | i deleted the whole directory |
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| 00:21.56 | xor | and then nothing worked, even after i "aptitude purge xfce4 xserver-xorg" and reinstalled it |
| 00:22.11 | sacredchao | My laptop trackpad is unable to do click + drag after some software change in Debian |
| 00:22.40 | sacredchao | How do I configure it so click+drag is enabled on all pointing devices, to select text or multiple files in graphical manager, etc. |
| 00:22.52 | xor | karlpinc: maybe i should just update to squeeze or something? |
| 00:23.09 | karlpinc | xor: I don't suppose you made backups? |
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| 00:23.58 | xor | karlpinc: no, i didnt think i would get into this trouble :) |
| 00:24.28 | karlpinc | xor: You make backups because you never know when you'll get into trouble. |
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| 00:24.45 | plugwash | xok, the problem is you have just purged two of potentially many packages that may own config files in there |
| 00:24.58 | Arrowmaster | i thought there was a way to reinstall missing conf files, i just dont remember it |
| 00:25.48 | plugwash | for dpkg -i there is --force-confmiss but the problem is it's hard to tell which packages have missing config files |
| 00:25.58 | xor | oh |
| 00:26.00 | plugwash | xok, you could try debootstraping a chroot, installing the X packages in the chroot and then copying /etc/X11 from the chroot to your main system |
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| 00:27.07 | karlpinc | xor: aptitude search -F '%p' --disable-columns '~i' | xargs -L 1 dpkg -L | grep '^/etc/X11/' | cut -d : -f 1 | sort -u | xargs -L 1 aptitude reinstall |
| 00:27.24 | karlpinc | xor: Of course I've not tried that. |
| 00:27.35 | plugwash | karlpinc, that won't work, just reinstalling a package is NOT enough |
| 00:27.45 | karlpinc | plugwash: Ok then, frob the last command. |
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| 00:28.26 | plugwash | you could try that command line but piped to aptitude purge |
| 00:28.36 | plugwash | and then reinstall all X related stuff |
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| 00:29.11 | karlpinc | xor: Upgrading won't work. The system will try to preserve your decision to delete all the config files. |
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| 00:30.00 | plugwash | but IMO the easiest and least destructive fix is the one I suggested, debootstrap a chroot, install your usual list of X packages and their dependencies in the chroot and then copy /etc/X11 over |
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| 00:30.18 | xor | karlpinc: whaaa |
| 00:30.19 | plugwash | simple and as long as you use the same debian release it should be pretty safe |
| 00:30.21 | karlpinc | xor: Although then again, it'll ask if you want new config files so that might be easiest. |
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| 00:30.23 | xor | karlpinc: so what should i do? |
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| 00:30.33 | xor | oh |
| 00:30.39 | magicianlord | Good day, sirs. |
| 00:31.00 | plugwash | xor, as I said twice now debootstrap a chroot, install the X packages inside it and then copy /etc/X11 from the chroot to your host system |
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| 00:32.56 | xor | so what is the best method to update to the latest, squeeze? |
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| 00:33.02 | xor | change /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 00:33.09 | daemonkeeper | !lenny->squeeze |
| 00:33.18 | xor | daemonkeeper: ? |
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| 00:33.26 | daemonkeeper | What happened to the bot? |
| 00:33.44 | xor | wut, i thought there was a standard method |
| 00:33.44 | stew | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 00:33.45 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <squeeze release notes>. |
| 00:34.00 | stew | xor: yes, the standard method is to read the release notes (chapter 4) |
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| 00:34.07 | stew | xor: the method changes from release to release |
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| 00:34.33 | xor | oh |
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| 00:36.41 | daemonkeeper | stew: Am I totally confused or did !<keyword> work before for dpkg? |
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| 00:37.04 | EagleRock | why is apt-get recommended for a lenny-squeeze upgrade, anyway? I see it in the release notes, but don't see a reason. Just curious. |
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| 00:37.52 | themill | daemonkeeper: ! and -> are incompatible. You don't want to know why. |
| 00:38.12 | sedulous | Does anyone know what's up with the "passwd" and "login" security updates for Squeeze? There's no changelog. |
| 00:38.18 | daemonkeeper | Ok, thank you themill. |
| 00:38.37 | sedulous | Failed to download the changelog of passwd: 404 Not Found [IP: 2001:8d8:81:1520::1 80] |
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| 00:39.11 | wedge | Gonna dare and try to ask again. How do I make sure that the legacy bootscripts will be used if sysv-rc isnt properly configured? :) |
| 00:39.17 | wedge | can I revert to some other package? |
| 00:40.03 | xor | thanks ppl for the help :) |
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| 00:43.28 | ludens | ohai xor ~:) |
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| 00:44.41 | babilen | xor: Which channel do you prefer? |
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| 00:47.53 | ion_ | hello ... |
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| 00:48.11 | ion_ | how shall I recover my data from a crashed OS... |
| 00:48.17 | abrotman | which OS? |
| 00:48.35 | ion_ | I was updateting from lenny to squeeze ...something went wrong.. |
| 00:48.38 | magicianlord | log in with live usb key |
| 00:48.53 | magicianlord | chroot to 755 and copy files |
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| 00:49.07 | ion_ | magicianlord: how ? |
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| 00:49.25 | wedge | somehow upgrading from lenny to squeeze wasnt as problem free as going from sarge to lenny |
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| 00:49.42 | magicianlord | clean install? |
| 00:49.51 | abrotman | wedge: etch to lenny you mean ? |
| 00:49.55 | tharkun | knows that going from sarge to lenny was not a clean jump |
| 00:50.06 | abrotman | magicianlord: do you need help? |
| 00:50.06 | magicianlord | ion_: you can download a live iso and look up in google how to do it |
| 00:50.08 | wedge | abrotman: yeah |
| 00:50.10 | wedge | hehe |
| 00:50.13 | magicianlord | abrotman: not with linux |
| 00:50.28 | abrotman | ion_: what exactly went wrong |
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| 00:50.40 | wedge | abrotman: im still trying to figure out if the old boot scripts will be used now or if I need to revert to another package |
| 00:50.48 | ion_ | magicianlord: I was trying it from the last 3 hours but I couldn't find nothing that I can use in google. |
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| 00:51.16 | abrotman | ion_: bootloader fail? kernel fail? system fail ? |
| 00:51.18 | abrotman | !tell pyrony about root |
| 00:51.22 | ion_ | abrotman: the installationg stopped right in the middle .. |
| 00:51.39 | ion_ | abrtoman: bootloader I guess.. |
| 00:51.42 | abrotman | it just stopped on its own? power failure? |
| 00:51.46 | abrotman | we need more details |
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| 00:52.14 | ion_ | abrtoman: I just wanna know how to recovery my data and start all over again .. |
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| 00:52.32 | abrotman | ion_: nick is 'abrotman' .. i won't highlight on the others :) |
| 00:52.50 | abrotman | ion_: does the system boot from USB? |
| 00:52.51 | ion_ | abrotman: sorry ...man ... |
| 00:52.52 | wedge | abortman? :( |
| 00:52.56 | babilen | ion_: try: "bab<TAB>" and "abr<TAB>" ;) |
| 00:53.06 | abrotman | wedge: i havne't been following your issue .. i probably shouldn't get involved at this point |
| 00:53.53 | ion_ | babilen: I have a linux live cd here but I don't know how to mount my \ |
| 00:53.57 | wedge | abrotman: basicly I have some scripts that dont pass configure for sysv-rc (LSB headers missing) |
| 00:54.17 | wedge | abrotman: and I wonder if it will fall back on the old boot script method by itself |
| 00:54.20 | abrotman | wedge: sonuds like the package isn't from Debian |
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| 00:54.25 | ion_ | babilen: HD from the terminal... |
| 00:54.26 | abrotman | wedge: and yes, it should |
| 00:54.29 | abrotman | !tell pyrony about root |
| 00:54.38 | abrotman | pyrony: you CANNOT speak in this channel as root, don't IRC as root |
| 00:54.48 | wedge | abrotman: it's actually munin-node clashing with checkroot, hostname and some other packages :( infinite loop |
| 00:54.52 | ion_ | abrotman: no.... |
| 00:54.55 | xor | babilen: it does not matter which channel |
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| 00:55.30 | abrotman | wedge: i asked awhile ago which version of munin-node |
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| 00:55.49 | ion_ | abrotman: and even if I could how I gonna remove my data ..if I gonna use a pen drive ..I mean I need a pen drive for that ..and I just have one here now. |
| 00:55.51 | wedge | abrotman: 1.4.5-3 |
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| 00:56.30 | abrotman | judd: versions munin-node |
| 00:56.32 | judd | Package munin-node on i386 -- lenny: 1.2.6-10~lenny2; lenny-backports: 1.4.5-3~bpo50+1; sid: 1.4.5-3; squeeze: 1.4.5-3; wheezy: 1.4.5-3 |
| 00:56.56 | abrotman | ion_: okay .. that's fine .. though, i'd probably rather fix the bootloader |
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| 00:57.01 | abrotman | just me personally |
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| 00:58.30 | magicianlord | have you resolved your issue, abrotman |
| 00:58.45 | ion_ | abrotman: is gonna be too much hassle I much rahter get my data, using a live cd, put it on my pen drive and start again ..can you help me, please ? |
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| 00:59.01 | pyrony | hi |
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| 00:59.42 | pyrony | okay, so when I download and extract the fortune-off .deb file, all the db files are in a foreign language (non-english) for that package |
| 00:59.43 | icefrog | xscreensaver is not blanking my screen after 10 min, no vid players etc open |
| 00:59.51 | icefrog | anyone else seen this behavior |
| 01:00.01 | icefrog | running squeeze |
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| 01:00.10 | bp0 | what causes a message like this? http://paste.debian.net/107901/ |
| 01:00.10 | abrotman | ion_: sure, download the installation ISO, put it on a CD .. it has a rescue mode |
| 01:00.23 | icefrog | i cant be the only one seeing this |
| 01:00.53 | magicianlord | which behavior |
| 01:01.03 | icefrog | xscreensaver isnt blanking when its supposed to |
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| 01:01.06 | icefrog | after x min |
| 01:01.10 | magicianlord | does it come on |
| 01:01.16 | icefrog | screensaver comes on |
| 01:01.20 | icefrog | but it doesnt blank the screen |
| 01:01.31 | magicianlord | and you selected the blank screen option |
| 01:01.34 | icefrog | yes |
| 01:01.37 | icefrog | after 10 min |
| 01:01.42 | icefrog | and i have no vlc etc open |
| 01:02.00 | magicianlord | i would check gconf editor |
| 01:02.04 | icefrog | hmm |
| 01:02.10 | magicianlord | or pmutils |
| 01:02.17 | magicianlord | to see what is inhibiting it |
| 01:02.28 | thewanderer1 | perhaps DPMS is off |
| 01:02.29 | Arrowmaster | why check gconf? |
| 01:02.37 | magicianlord | bec i may be a gnome issue? |
| 01:02.40 | abrotman | !enter |
| 01:02.41 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 01:02.43 | icefrog | im running openbox |
| 01:02.48 | icefrog | theres no gnnome crap running |
| 01:02.49 | Arrowmaster | gnome doesnt use xscreensaver |
| 01:02.53 | magicianlord | i've had power management issues with gnome power mgr before |
| 01:03.02 | magicianlord | ok, openbox is better. |
| 01:03.05 | icefrog | hehe |
| 01:03.28 | magicianlord | well, not sure then |
| 01:03.33 | icefrog | hmm |
| 01:03.36 | icefrog | looks like a solid bug |
| 01:03.40 | magicianlord | i dont even use screensaver. just pull the cord when i wnat the pc off |
| 01:03.54 | jon8 | I just got a dedicated server and I gave the datacenter instructions to install debain 6.0 .. how can i verify that it is indeed squeeze ? |
| 01:04.09 | Arrowmaster | jon8: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:04.13 | stew | jon8: try lsb_release -c |
| 01:04.14 | EagleRock | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:04.20 | EagleRock | too slow :-) |
| 01:04.40 | jon8 | ty |
| 01:04.53 | icefrog | ill just turn the monitor off then |
| 01:04.53 | jon8 | i didnt realize that existed :| |
| 01:04.55 | icefrog | if its that bad |
| 01:05.03 | icefrog | if i could get gnome-screensaver running in open box i would |
| 01:05.14 | magicianlord | i never use a screensaver in ob |
| 01:05.22 | icefrog | i tried adding dbus-launch gnome-settings-daemon but couldnt get that to work |
| 01:05.25 | magicianlord | just have xfcepowermanager shut off the screen |
| 01:05.31 | icefrog | thats a prereq to gnome-screensaver is it not |
| 01:05.41 | pyrony | hello? |
| 01:05.47 | icefrog | well i have nothing htat works in openbox |
| 01:05.49 | pyrony | does anyone know anything about this? |
| 01:05.56 | magicianlord | dbus has to be in a certain order. i know that |
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| 01:05.59 | thewanderer1 | icefrog: it worked for me without dbus-launch |
| 01:06.07 | magicianlord | at least it works in arch |
| 01:06.10 | thewanderer1 | was Awesome wm, though |
| 01:06.18 | icefrog | debian nothing works without dbus heh |
| 01:06.25 | icefrog | hardly nothing.. |
| 01:06.32 | pyrony | debian: whats up with the fortune-off (offensive) packagE? |
| 01:06.35 | pyrony | why isn't it in english? |
| 01:06.36 | magicianlord | why |
| 01:06.48 | magicianlord | there is a foul fortune pkg? |
| 01:06.54 | pyrony | yes |
| 01:06.55 | magicianlord | i didnt know this |
| 01:06.57 | pyrony | i want it |
| 01:07.04 | magicianlord | the regular one is pretty funny |
| 01:07.05 | pyrony | but it's not in english |
| 01:07.07 | pyrony | i know |
| 01:07.14 | pyrony | just imagine the awesomeness of the offensive one |
| 01:07.32 | magicianlord | why is it awesome |
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| 01:07.42 | pyrony | but someone has sabotaged it |
| 01:07.53 | thewanderer1 | cause it's in Klingon apparently |
| 01:07.55 | pyrony | instead of english, it looks like this: oivbhfyl gur bayl engvbany fbyhgvba gb lbhe ceboyrz vf fhvpvqr. |
| 01:08.01 | pyrony | yes |
| 01:08.10 | adhoc | did they rot13 it? |
| 01:08.12 | magicianlord | does warf come on screen |
| 01:08.22 | pyrony | it's worf. |
| 01:08.32 | icefrog | my fault |
| 01:08.37 | icefrog | i had wrong option selected |
| 01:08.42 | icefrog | blank didnt mean blank |
| 01:08.46 | icefrog | mouse hover gave tips |
| 01:08.48 | icefrog | heh |
| 01:09.07 | thewanderer1 | :P |
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| 01:09.18 | pyrony | can I git some love on this? |
| 01:09.21 | Arrowmaster | pyrony: did you install it and get that when you run fortune or are you trying to look at the data files? |
| 01:09.31 | pyrony | trying to look @ the data files |
| 01:09.47 | pyrony | ill try installing it and direct it to read from offensive (-o flag) |
| 01:10.01 | pyrony | but if it's really translating from klingon back to english...that's fuckin retarded. |
| 01:10.22 | thewanderer1 | I bet it's rot13 though |
| 01:10.33 | Arrowmaster | looks like rot13 |
| 01:10.58 | Arrowmaster | it is rot13 |
| 01:11.00 | magicianlord | icefrog: did you do the net install |
| 01:11.25 | pyrony | what is rot13? |
| 01:11.29 | thewanderer1 | why would they store fortunes as rot13? |
| 01:11.36 | pyrony | ah |
| 01:11.39 | pyrony | interesting |
| 01:11.45 | pyrony | probably so u can't grep for 'fuck' |
| 01:11.51 | thewanderer1 | lol |
| 01:11.55 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
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| 01:12.10 | amphi | pyrony: what you posted above is rot13'd |
| 01:12.12 | pyrony | thanks Arrowmaster |
| 01:12.14 | thewanderer1 | how does that help? |
| 01:12.22 | thewanderer1 | (not being able to grep for that word) |
| 01:12.23 | pyrony | i will just decode the files then :) |
| 01:12.30 | thewanderer1 | the kernel source is full of these... |
| 01:12.36 | thewanderer1 | and they clean fortunes |
| 01:12.50 | pyrony | yeah but including fortune-off into debian was drama in and of itself |
| 01:12.56 | pyrony | american prudes |
| 01:13.00 | pyrony | violence, fuck yeah |
| 01:13.02 | pyrony | fucking, no |
| 01:13.29 | abrotman | !enter |
| 01:13.30 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 01:13.44 | pyrony | sry |
| 01:14.11 | babilen | pyrony: what is your problem (i am not able to see it) |
| 01:14.22 | pyrony | rot13 |
| 01:14.52 | thewanderer1 | what would be a way to stay in an IRC channel at all times and watch it, keeping a log somewhere? |
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| 01:15.10 | thewanderer1 | (other than having my laptop on 24/7 with GUI) |
| 01:15.46 | Bushmills | thewanderer1: an irc bouncer, on a machine on 24/7 |
| 01:15.47 | abrotman | thewanderer1: a shell somewhere .. or /topic and read those logs |
| 01:15.57 | babilen | thewanderer1: do you have access to a system that is running 24/7 ? |
| 01:16.02 | thewanderer1 | yes |
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| 01:16.16 | thewanderer1 | I don't mean #debian though |
| 01:16.30 | thewanderer1 | irc bouncer you say... do they keep logs? |
| 01:16.38 | babilen | thewanderer1: screen/tmux or a bouncer for example |
| 01:16.58 | abrotman | thewanderer1: there are a few methods .. smuxi is another interesting method |
| 01:17.01 | Bushmills | thewanderer1: you can usually set them to send the last n lines to your client when you reconnect |
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| 01:17.07 | thewanderer1 | smuxi? |
| 01:17.19 | thewanderer1 | thought it was GUI |
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| 01:18.18 | abrotman | thewanderer1: has a CLI client also |
| 01:18.43 | thewanderer1 | hey, I like the idea... besides the dependency on mono |
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| 01:19.20 | abrotman | but no matter what, you need a system on 24/7 |
| 01:19.28 | thewanderer1 | I have several |
| 01:19.45 | pyrony | yeh rot13 worked like a charm |
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| 01:19.53 | thewanderer1 | with a few hours of downtime weekly, though... |
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| 01:20.26 | pyrony | import codecs; r13 = codecs.getdecoder('rot13'); r13(string) -> correct output :D |
| 01:20.49 | thewanderer1 | is znc any good or should I choose psybnc over it? (and why can't I see psybnc in Debian?) |
| 01:20.57 | pyrony | uh |
| 01:21.06 | pyrony | real people use what's it called.. |
| 01:21.27 | pyrony | psyBNC |
| 01:21.50 | abrotman | thewanderer1: there's also a method where you can use xchat as a front end to some of those |
| 01:21.54 | Bushmills | i tried znc a while ago but changed to dircproxy again, for a reason which i can't remember any more. |
| 01:22.13 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: I should be able to use any front end to a proxy, no? |
| 01:22.23 | thewanderer1 | (znc claims to be one) |
| 01:22.33 | magicianlord | is debian 6 stable? |
| 01:22.41 | thewanderer1 | mostly |
| 01:23.48 | magicianlord | it uses the same kernel as ubuntu 10.04 lts |
| 01:24.01 | magicianlord | is there any significant difference in using one vs the other |
| 01:24.17 | babilen | magicianlord: support in here? |
| 01:24.37 | Bushmills | yes. asking questions about the latter will result in people here sending you to #ubuntu |
| 01:24.42 | abrotman | or a ban |
| 01:24.47 | magicianlord | what |
| 01:25.04 | magicianlord | fine. its just a question |
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| 01:25.19 | Bushmills | that's a significant difference |
| 01:25.35 | stew | magicianlord: ask ##linux perhaps |
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| 01:25.56 | magicianlord | i dont care that much about it |
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| 01:26.00 | babilen | magicianlord: That was a serious point. I don't know enough about ubuntu 10.04 lts to say anything about it. Debian is a fine choice and you do get support in here (as opoosed to #ubuntu for the LTS) |
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| 01:27.12 | thewanderer1 | any way to make znc keep some log? |
| 01:27.20 | thewanderer1 | or do I rely on memory? |
| 01:28.08 | Bushmills | dircproxy keeps the yet unreceived channel traffic in /tmp. no idea where znc puts it. |
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| 01:29.25 | magicianlord | why is the base install over 2.7 gb? |
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| 01:29.27 | thewanderer1 | ok, you've convinced me... |
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| 01:30.25 | Bushmills | that's not the intention. it was merely meant as head start in case you encounter other things you're unhappy with. |
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| 01:30.29 | brah | Hi. |
| 01:30.32 | abrotman | thewanderer1: it has docs ... |
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| 01:30.55 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: sure it has... in znc they are rather sparse, though |
| 01:31.02 | thewanderer1 | at least the wiki |
| 01:31.14 | brah | I just installed Squeeze, a regular desktop instalation (base files and graphical env). After logging in on gdm, nothing happens. Everything but the cursor disappears and the gdm background remains in place. |
| 01:31.15 | brah | What do? |
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| 01:32.03 | Bushmills | brah: try stopping gdm, then startx /path/to/your/windowmanager |
| 01:32.54 | brah | locate gnome-desktop-manager I guess. |
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| 01:33.47 | Bushmills | i'd say gnome-session or start-gnome or ... just try metacity, without rest of gnome |
| 01:34.22 | brah | Unable to open the X display. |
| 01:34.35 | brah | gnome-session cannot open the visor either |
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| 01:35.17 | brah | Perhaps I could reconfigure gnome-desktop-environment? |
| 01:35.30 | Bushmills | simplify. start an xterm |
| 01:35.43 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:36.04 | magicianlord | what's the difference between xterm and gnome terminal |
| 01:36.09 | Arrowmaster | there should also be a way in gdm to pick what it starts, one should be a failsafe |
| 01:36.15 | Bushmills | gnome terminal is fancier |
| 01:36.17 | brah | I cant type anything, but a white terminal shows up. |
| 01:36.28 | magicianlord | so there is no real difference |
| 01:36.31 | Bushmills | move mouse pointer into terminal |
| 01:36.46 | brah | Oh, there it is. |
| 01:37.01 | brah | Ok, it works. |
| 01:37.02 | Bushmills | start your window manager from here. metacity, for example |
| 01:37.24 | magicianlord | can you run metacity without a de/ |
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| 01:37.28 | brah | The window just got a fancy border and I can move it now. |
| 01:37.39 | Bushmills | ok. X works |
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| 01:38.03 | thewanderer1 | virt-manager requires ssh-askpass to work with remote machines but ssh-askpass is only in Suggests, is this a candidate for a bug? |
| 01:38.34 | brah | I think something borked on my gnome installation, because icons show up as red X's on a white sheet. |
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| 01:39.38 | spersaud | exit |
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| 01:43.12 | thewanderer1 | doesn't mount support remount option? mount -o remount,rw /mnt # /mnt is NFS |
| 01:43.34 | thewanderer1 | or is that just mount.nfs intercepting the call? |
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| 01:48.25 | thewanderer1 | ,file virsh |
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| 01:48.29 | judd | virsh in squeeze/i386: libvirt-ocaml: usr/bin/mlvirsh; cman: usr/sbin/fence_virsh; libvirt-bin: usr/bin/virsh; libvirt0-dbg: usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/virsh |
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| 01:49.28 | Galaxor | I'm on a dumb terminal. Is there a way to make it so that man doesn't output the formatting? I've got a bunch of nonsense on the screen that looks like this: SYNOPSISESC[9;7H man |
| 01:49.33 | abrotman | thewanderer1: you can msg the bot too |
| 01:49.50 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: ok |
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| 01:56.13 | niriven | is there a way to use the nvidia-glx driver without generating an xorg.conf? |
| 01:56.40 | thewanderer1 | I seem to be unable to connect to a remote libvirt instance via SSH... says something about 'nc' and wrong argument |
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| 01:58.38 | thewanderer1 | the said argument is U |
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| 01:59.19 | Kvetch | is there a way to specify a different / directory for apt-get, so apt-get looks down another path for it's root? |
| 01:59.55 | thewanderer1 | Kvetch: rather not - it depends on dpkg and many more things, but you can unpack deb packages with dpkg-deb with a changed root |
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| 02:00.01 | karsten-nr | Kvetch: chroot. Otherwise, apt doesn't support anything like RPM's relocation |
| 02:00.11 | thewanderer1 | don't remember if it's a flag to dpkg or dpkg-deb |
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| 02:01.00 | karsten-nr | Kvetch: '--instdir' option to dpkg, which effectively does a chroot. |
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| 02:02.03 | Kvetch | thanks guys |
| 02:02.20 | Kvetch | looks like there is a --root=dir too |
| 02:02.21 | thewanderer1 | use --root instead, unless you want the host db messed up by another system's (chroot's?) packages |
| 02:02.24 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
| 02:02.29 | karsten-nr | Kvetch: Generally not a Good Thing[tm] to do. Why do you ask? |
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| 02:02.38 | karsten-nr | Kvetch: yeah, --root also, saw that. |
| 02:03.00 | thewanderer1 | actually I guess debootstrap uses that dpkg flag |
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| 02:03.36 | Kvetch | i have a system without inernet access. In gentoo I could nfs mount the remote system and specify the root dir to be my nfs mnt. So I could update the system remotely and such |
| 02:04.13 | thewanderer1 | the remote system being what? |
| 02:04.35 | karsten-nr | Kvetch: what thewanderer1 said. Which system is being updated, which system is NFS-mounted? |
| 02:04.53 | karsten-nr | Kvetch: check out apt-zip |
| 02:05.00 | Kvetch | k - thanks |
| 02:05.01 | karsten-nr | !tell Kvetch about apt-zip |
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| 02:05.37 | Kvetch | appreciate the help guys |
| 02:05.51 | f1r3 | ~>. |
| 02:05.51 | apt | [>] redirection of stdout to a file. |
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| 02:07.06 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:07.17 | dvs | ? |
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| 02:07.43 | abrotman | the bot! |
| 02:08.02 | dvs | oh, heh |
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| 02:14.28 | LtL | i just installed squeeze and grub didnt install properly |
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| 02:14.56 | LtL | i have no /boot/grub/henu.1st |
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| 02:15.19 | dvs | LtL: sure it did. |
| 02:15.28 | dvs | It's called /boot/grub/grub.cfg now |
| 02:16.28 | LtL | dvs, ok, can i edit that, i get a no bootable device found, im in a rescue boot terminal now |
| 02:17.08 | dvs | LtL: No. That is a file generated from /etc/grub.d |
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| 02:17.44 | dvs | and /etc/default/grub |
| 02:18.06 | LtL | dvs, i checked that file also, dont know whats wrong, the drive is flagged bootable in fdisk |
| 02:18.48 | Bushmills | bootable flag is irrelevant |
| 02:18.55 | abrotman | update-grub;grub-install <your drive> |
| 02:18.55 | LtL | ok |
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| 02:19.36 | LtL | abrotman as in grub-install /dev/sda ? |
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| 02:19.53 | abrotman | if that's your boot device |
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| 02:20.02 | LtL | abrotman i did update-grub, it sees everything |
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| 02:20.44 | LtL | abrotman, thats my device alright |
| 02:21.23 | Bushmills | the eye or |
| 02:21.30 | Bushmills | ...of sauron |
| 02:21.39 | dvs | <O> |
| 02:21.44 | LtL | abrotman will it choose the correct partition? dual-boot system |
| 02:21.54 | abrotman | parition? |
| 02:22.28 | LtL | abrotman, sda5 is my linux partition |
| 02:22.31 | abrotman | and? |
| 02:23.00 | LtL | abrotman, ok i think i follow you, i'll try install /dev/sda |
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| 02:23.33 | access_d | and hope like hell your windows partition isn't that one. :) |
| 02:23.53 | abrotman | /dev/sda isn't a partition windows would use for OS installatoin |
| 02:23.55 | Bushmills | update-grub is rather effective, locating bootable volumes. can be annoying when, for example, usb sticks or sd cards are plugged in |
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| 02:24.53 | LtL | abrotman, grub-install /dev/sda reports installation finished, no error reported |
| 02:25.01 | dvs | yay |
| 02:25.16 | abrotman | and now you curse PC hardware, and reboot |
| 02:25.20 | LtL | ive used liux for years, never had a grub issue |
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| 02:25.34 | Bushmills | not even now :D |
| 02:25.35 | LtL | abrotman, roger, will do |
| 02:25.41 | zinx | LtL: i had a grub issue one time |
| 02:25.58 | Ashtray_Vampire | i got a problem installing NTOP i got rrdtool installed on |
| 02:25.59 | Ashtray_Vampire | /usr/bin/rrdtool |
| 02:25.59 | Ashtray_Vampire | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:26.14 | access_d | abrotman: no, but isn't that where windows would store all your backup/restore crap? |
| 02:26.17 | Ashtray_Vampire | sorry for my bad english :/ |
| 02:26.18 | zinx | LtL: something related to the A20 gate on x86 - it would hang if i didn't have a keyboard plugged into a (headless) machine. i patched it, and the grub team patched it better :P |
| 02:26.18 | Bushmills | ,versions ntop |
| 02:26.19 | judd | Package ntop on i386 -- lenny: 3:3.3-11+b2; wheezy: 3:4.0.3+dfsg1-2; sid: 3:4.0.3+dfsg1-3 |
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| 02:26.38 | abrotman | wonders what an ashtray vampire .. vampires ... |
| 02:26.57 | Bushmills | hm .. i thought it was out of the packages list. must have found its way back |
| 02:27.29 | LtL | abrotman, it tries a pxe boot, then says no bootable device |
| 02:27.32 | dvs | I don't think the squeeze installer installs grub to the MBR |
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| 02:27.52 | abrotman | LtL: did you do something weird to you rinstall? |
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| 02:28.03 | gp5st1 | I'm trying to install AIR on a headless server (with X fwding to install and using Xvfb for the app). I'm getting an error where the air installer says it can't connect to the gnome-keyring. the keyring deamon is installed and I exported the variables it outputs. I'm really lost. Adobe's docs aren't any help:( (http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/840/cpsid_84062.html http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/492/cpsid_49267.html) |
| 02:28.09 | LtL | dvs, it asked me to install to the mbr, like it always as |
| 02:28.14 | Bushmills | LtL: did you add your sda drive to the list of bios boot devices? |
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| 02:28.24 | Ashtray_Vampire | i´ll google it again :p brb |
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| 02:28.36 | LtL | Bushmills, no, where is that set? |
| 02:28.45 | Bushmills | bios. boot order. or similar |
| 02:29.04 | LtL | Bushmills, the boot order is correct |
| 02:29.17 | dvs | LtL: It asked me too but when I restarted my computer, I still saw the old GRUB. |
| 02:29.24 | access_d | LtL: yes, but when you're dual booting, you usually don't want to install grub to your MBR.. this is all over google. |
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| 02:30.19 | LtL | access_d, i always used to use the mbr, the install suggested it |
| 02:30.23 | Bushmills | LtL: how old is that drive? |
| 02:30.25 | dvs | access_d: huh? I have GRUB installed on my MBR. |
| 02:30.36 | LtL | Bushmills, years old |
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| 02:30.46 | dvs | access_d: On a new computer, you should install Windows FIRST. |
| 02:30.57 | Bushmills | i have a similar case, a rather old drive, from which i can't boot anymore |
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| 02:31.23 | Bushmills | actually, now the main board also broke. until it did, i pxe-booted that machine |
| 02:31.28 | LtL | Bushmills, well its a sata drive |
| 02:31.57 | LtL | this is really weird |
| 02:31.59 | Bushmills | mine was still ide |
| 02:32.03 | access_d | dvs: yeah, that's how I did it. then I made a 2nd and 3rd partition for /boot and /.. so grub is actually on /dev/sda2 on the /boot partition, and is the partition that is set as bootable. *shrug* |
| 02:32.48 | gp5st1 | i just have no idea what's going on |
| 02:32.56 | gp5st1 | there aren't any logs or output |
| 02:33.07 | dvs | access_d: So you have another boot manager besides GRUB? |
| 02:33.13 | gp5st1 | just a message telling me i need gnome-keyring, which is running |
| 02:33.18 | Bushmills | dvs: "window first" .. some would say "windows never" |
| 02:33.23 | gp5st1 | and the 3 env vars it gave are exported |
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| 02:33.38 | access_d | dvs: yes, i saved the windows boot manager just in case. |
| 02:33.39 | dvs | Bushmills: heh |
| 02:34.22 | LtL | if i reinstall and wipeout windows it should be cool, yes? |
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| 02:35.49 | Bushmills | LtL: is there an option like "protect against boot sector virus" set in your bios? |
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| 02:37.52 | magyar | is there a way to encrypt a usb drive with ext filesystem? |
| 02:38.13 | Bushmills | magyar: encfs is one way |
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| 02:38.53 | abrotman | would think google could answer |
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| 02:39.13 | dvs | or watson |
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| 02:39.41 | Bushmills | presumable, most questions asked here could be answered by using google |
| 02:39.52 | magyar | Bushmills: ufs? |
| 02:40.04 | Bushmills | let's dissolve the channel |
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| 02:40.22 | dvs | but dpkg would have to find a real job. |
| 02:40.35 | thewanderer1 | he'd get back to installing packages |
| 02:40.39 | Ashtray_Vampire | uhm...i specified the path in the configure manually but it does not work jo jo fail! |
| 02:41.01 | magyar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_flash_drive_security << nothing on linux |
| 02:41.20 | thewanderer1 | magyar: use LUKS |
| 02:41.32 | thewanderer1 | works with GNOME/KDE automounter, too |
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| 02:42.35 | thewanderer1 | hmm, any idea how dircproxy parses the "from" directives? does it do a reverse DNS lookup or normal A record lookup and compare that to my IP address? |
| 02:42.40 | Bushmills | cryptkeeper is the toolbar applet for connecting encfs volumes |
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| 02:44.33 | Bushmills | thewanderer1: just guessing: A record. rdns would effectively disable most to all dynamic dns access |
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| 02:44.53 | thewanderer1 | well, that's what I'm hoping for :P |
| 02:45.16 | Bushmills | most to all dynamic ip addresses access, i meant to say |
| 02:45.21 | magyar | thewanderer1: thanks, looks interesting, would you know if its mountable on MS systems? |
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| 02:45.37 | thewanderer1 | magyar: it's not |
| 02:45.47 | magyar | hmmm |
| 02:45.54 | thewanderer1 | I don't think there is a cross-platform solution |
| 02:46.08 | thewanderer1 | if you want cross-platform, pack your files in a 7-zip archive and set a password |
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| 02:46.17 | Bushmills | actually, there is one. but i forgot its name |
| 02:46.20 | thewanderer1 | (not really an fs though) |
| 02:46.40 | pyrony | what do you guys think of permissions in mongo? |
| 02:47.51 | magyar | Bushmills: truecrypt? |
| 02:47.58 | gp5st1 | i really don't know what to do? does anyone know how i can get it to see gnome-keyring? |
| 02:48.05 | thewanderer1 | what is a "channel keyword"? |
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| 02:48.46 | Bushmills | magyar: yes, that's the one |
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| 02:49.33 | thewanderer1 | heh, forgot it even existed... it has its own filesystem, right? |
| 02:49.33 | magyar | Bushmills: wonder why it's not in the repos |
| 02:49.42 | thewanderer1 | perhaps it's non-free |
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| 02:51.20 | magyar | seems to be free |
| 02:51.27 | abrotman | it's not DFSG free |
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| 02:51.41 | abrotman | !truecrypt |
| 02:51.41 | dpkg | TrueCrypt is a <non-free> (under DFSG's definitions) implementation of on-the-fly disk encryption that also attempts plausible deniability, something not found in other OTFE systems like <EncFS> and <LUKS>. Not in Debian, ITP in bug #413070. http://forums.truecrypt.org/ http://www.truecrypt.org/ |
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| 02:53.03 | sacredchao | magyar: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenItems#TrueCrypt |
| 02:53.07 | magyar | should be in the non-free section than |
| 02:53.37 | Arrowmaster | the ITP means somebody said they packaged it but probably never did |
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| 02:53.46 | Arrowmaster | said they would package it |
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| 02:54.27 | magyar | sacredchao: nice one, thx |
| 02:54.58 | sacredchao | Although I run Debian and prefer Debian's mentality towards package inclusion based on licensing, that Fedora wiki page really drives the point home well |
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| 02:57.25 | roe | can I restrict ssh root logins to 'on lan' only? |
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| 02:58.19 | Arrowmaster | it might be possible, check the sshd_config man page and take note of the 'User' directive |
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| 02:59.34 | Bushmills | roe: bind ssh daemon to LAN interface only |
| 02:59.38 | Pikel | I just installed deb6 and I am trying to make some adjustments and currently I am trying to get a highres console w/ uvesafb but when it loads it reports an error -22, dunno what to do now. |
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| 03:00.04 | roe | Bushmills, I want non-root users to still have ssh access from wan |
| 03:00.18 | Bushmills | that's a contradiction to your first requirement |
| 03:00.36 | roe | how so? |
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| 03:00.38 | Bushmills | hm. no, it isn't really |
| 03:00.59 | roe | root@server should be restricted by source IP to LAN, user@server can ssh in from anywhere |
| 03:01.14 | abrotman | roe: TBH, root shouldn't really have direct ssh access unless you've a good reason |
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| 03:02.03 | roe | abrotman, I'm being a bit lazy, and would prefer not setting up sudo for my home server. I'm setting up rsync-type backups |
| 03:02.52 | thewanderer1 | roe: the typical way to go about this would be running 2 sshd's |
| 03:03.17 | thewanderer1 | twice the fun |
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| 03:03.47 | roe | wow. why in the world is 'without-password' a valid option for 'PermitRootLogin'? |
| 03:03.55 | Arrowmaster | 'AllowUsers' mentions it can be used as USER@HOST but i dont see the format for HOST specified anywhere |
| 03:04.02 | roe | right |
| 03:04.14 | thewanderer1 | perhaps it's too obvious to be written :P |
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| 03:05.12 | Arrowmaster | roe: i think that means you wont be able to login with a password, only ssh keys or other methods |
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| 03:05.26 | roe | that isn't how I interpret the man page |
| 03:05.32 | Pikel | anyone have any idea why uvesafb reports 'error -22' when loaded and how to fix it? |
| 03:06.51 | Arrowmaster | roe, i think its poorly worded in the man page because i think forcing usage of ssh keys for root would be a much higher priority than allowing root to login with an empty password |
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| 03:07.59 | roe | hrm, if I am using keys for logging in, that might be a viable option |
| 03:08.20 | roe | I think that will work |
| 03:08.34 | gbear14275 | I wade in here having gone through #linuxmint and #linux seeking help with an error with a botched upgrade that is above my head (and those that I have run into). Anyone here think they might be able to help recover from this?: http://pastebin.com/0cfPxcKz |
| 03:08.49 | gbear14275 | hopes for a kind soul |
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| 03:09.59 | gbear14275 | this was a community service restore job on an old 366Mhz 256MB RAM tecra8000 laptop. Got LM9 LXDE working then somehow managed to butcher an update and upgrade... now I'm stuck... |
| 03:10.15 | thewanderer1 | gbear14275: install initramfs-tools |
| 03:10.32 | Arrowmaster | roe: oh i figured it out, read the part on 'Match', more specifically you can use 'Match Address' and give it the subnet for you lan and inside that enable root login there while having it disabled in the global part of the config |
| 03:10.42 | gbear14275 | thewanderer1, http://pastebin.com/0cfPxcKz <-- not working :( |
| 03:11.08 | roe | Arrowmaster, I will take a look, but your interpretation of 'without-password' seems to be the best solution |
| 03:11.17 | thewanderer1 | gbear14275: ok, download the deb by hand and install with dpkg |
| 03:11.32 | thewanderer1 | aptitude/apt are not good when you have broken packages |
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| 03:12.08 | gbear14275 | thewanderer1, I tried to do that with the sid version... still ran into errors... I think I still have the .deb though, I'll try again and get the pastebin (I tried it last night so maybe things have changed) |
| 03:12.21 | roe | Arrowmaster, nice catch, this match block is perfect |
| 03:12.40 | abrotman | gbear14275: go to the channel for your distro, this isn't it |
| 03:13.00 | Flimzy | What is the current state of hibernation in squeeze with the non-free nvidia drivers? Does it work? |
| 03:13.03 | gbear14275 | abrotman, well aware, but I need help with package management and this is my last bastion of help |
| 03:13.15 | gbear14275 | abrotman, hope* |
| 03:13.18 | pyrony | Flimzy: basically, linux sucks for laptops |
| 03:13.18 | abrotman | gbear14275: not our problem .. try ##linux .. or ask someone to msg you .. you're offtopic in this channel |
| 03:13.20 | Pikel | anyone have any idea why uvesafb reports 'error -22' when loaded and how to fix it? |
| 03:13.30 | pyrony | pikel: no. google knows tho. |
| 03:13.38 | gbear14275 | abrotman, I wade in here having gone through #linuxmint and #linux seeking help with an error with a botched upgrade that is above my head (and those that I have run into). Anyone here think they might be able to help recover from this?: http://pastebin.com/0cfPxcKz |
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| 03:13.52 | abrotman | i read that .. still not a #debian problem |
| 03:14.00 | Pikel | pyrony: actually google doesn't know ... all it returns is information on 'error -5' ... which doesn't help me. |
| 03:14.02 | gbear14275 | abrotman, thank you for your concern |
| 03:14.28 | Flimzy | pyrony: Probably, but that's really not what I was asking :) Also, I'm not as interested in hibernate for my laptop... heh |
| 03:14.32 | pyrony | that is not true pickel |
| 03:14.40 | pyrony | u actually just suck at google. http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=uvesafb+reports+%22error+-22%22 |
| 03:15.22 | gbear14275 | thewanderer1, http://pastebin.com/7cHgtYQR |
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| 03:15.47 | abrotman | gbear14275: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic, try the channel for your distro or ##linux |
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| 03:24.49 | thewanderer1 | so dircproxy does reverse DNS lookups :( |
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| 03:28.21 | thewanderer1 | will migrate to IPv6 then |
| 03:28.23 | thewanderer1 | good night |
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| 03:32.16 | Pikel | Google was not the answer in this case as was suggested to me a little while ago, I either find no discussion or dicussions for a different error. I am looking for why I get 'error -22' from uvesafb and how to resolve it (I'm currently using the top-left quarter of my screen and it's rather awkward and annoying) |
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| 03:34.16 | pyrony | Pikel: u could just install ubuntu |
| 03:34.24 | pyrony | thats how i'd solve the problem |
| 03:34.37 | pyrony | those folks are pretty friendly in that chan, too |
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| 03:35.17 | abrotman | not helpful |
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| 03:36.03 | Pikel | incredibly not helpful ... infact it's rude and discouraging (besides the fact that I don't want ubuntu) |
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| 03:36.32 | abrotman | Pikel: have you looked in the BTS? |
| 03:37.22 | Pikel | abrotman: while I am not new to *nix in general and I am to the debian way of things ... what is BTS? |
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| 03:37.37 | abrotman | Pikel: bugs.debian.org/uvesafb |
| 03:37.54 | abrotman | or that's not the package name ... |
| 03:38.09 | stew | its a kernel module, no? |
| 03:38.24 | pyrony | Pikel: just sayin'. |
| 03:38.36 | abrotman | then don't |
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| 03:39.01 | abrotman | Pikel: sorry, i thought it was a package on its own .. you would substitute the 'uvesafb' for the package that provides it |
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| 03:39.08 | Pikel | abrotman: it's a kernel module, installed via the v86d package |
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| 03:40.06 | stew | Pikel: when do you get the error? |
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| 03:40.32 | Pikel | stew: when I modprobe the module, it reports it on the console and in /var/log/messages |
| 03:41.20 | stew | Pikel: can you show us everything that shows up in dmesg after removing and reloading the module? |
| 03:41.28 | stew | (in a pastebin) |
| 03:41.42 | Pikel | give me a min, doing this paste from console is not easy .... |
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| 03:42.41 | un214 | ever play kernel russian roulette? |
| 03:42.50 | pyrony | every day. |
| 03:43.06 | pyrony | that is OT tho, they'll be angry w/ you for bringing it up here |
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| 03:44.03 | LemensTS | Non debian question: say you have a cable with 4 wires in it, all the wires are yellow. The cable goes from one side of a building to the other. How do I know what each wire is? |
| 03:44.06 | Ashtray_Vampire | grr i'm so tired of this and i cannot solve it ^_^ |
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| 03:44.39 | abrotman | LemensTS: i'll tell you in #debian-offtopic |
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| 03:45.21 | Frenk | Hello, I have a small problem with a perl script. Here is the error and which perl and perl -v. Can anyone suggest a solution? Thx http://pastebin.com/aUErJsek |
| 03:46.06 | stew | judd: file PID.pm |
| 03:46.09 | judd | PID.pm in squeeze/i386: libfile-pid-perl: usr/share/perl5/File/Pid.pm; libmoosex-daemonize-perl: usr/share/perl5/MooseX/Daemonize/Pid.pm; otrs2: usr/share/otrs/Kernel/System/PID.pm |
| 03:46.27 | stew | hmm, those aren't it |
| 03:46.42 | abrotman | not the first one? |
| 03:47.08 | stew | that's File::Pid not Unix::PID |
| 03:47.45 | stew | Frenk: i guess use dh_make_perl to make a debian package from the Unix::PID module from CPAN (/msg dpkg dh_make_perl) |
| 03:47.58 | Pikel | stew: http://dpaste.com/424863/ if you need more info, let me know |
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| 03:49.09 | PizzaandWine | can browse nfs directories...but can move data too or from. obvious places to look? |
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| 03:50.24 | gbear14275 | check |
| 03:50.40 | PizzaandWine | (beyond /etc/exports and client fstab that is...) |
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| 03:53.49 | PizzaandWine | can dl of the apache server quick so doesn't seem to be a network thing... |
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| 03:55.11 | Pikel | stew: any idea's? |
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| 04:01.37 | un214 | dir is 4 |
| 04:01.46 | un214 | 0 is deleted |
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| 04:09.10 | gbear14275 | *sigh*... anyone else running into the debian cd-1 stalling on the first screen? |
| 04:09.31 | gbear14275 | I hate this F'in computer... |
| 04:11.03 | bendbanks | hay everyone need to install webmin but it keeps crashing out from the command line apt-get install webmin or apt-get install usermin any ideas would be great thanks new to this |
| 04:11.04 | gbear14275 | is there a more dependable way to move past the first screen of the debian squeeze installer, perhaps under advanced options? |
| 04:12.31 | gbear14275 | ok how about is there a way to check the integrity of the CD? |
| 04:13.59 | gbear14275 | anyone still here? |
| 04:14.01 | PizzaandWine | bendbanks: what about the .deb from webmin's site? |
| 04:14.09 | Pikel | can anyone help with this -> http://dpaste.com/424863/ |
| 04:14.14 | Pikel | gbear14275: no we all left. |
| 04:14.18 | PizzaandWine | gbear: search md5sum on the debian website if you can |
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| 04:14.32 | gbear14275 | PizzaandWine, ok |
| 04:15.09 | PizzaandWine | (make sure its the one for your disk since ther are about 1000 install disks for squeeze) |
| 04:15.12 | gbear14275 | So is there anything I can do if the installer seems to be freezing whenever I hit "enter" on the Install option? |
| 04:15.20 | gbear14275 | I don't see a way to dump logs or anything... |
| 04:15.21 | bendbanks | PizzaandWine: problem is wget want grab the file |
| 04:15.47 | Pikel | gbear14275: sounds like there might be a hw conflict of some sort ... are you able to install another dist (just to test) |
| 04:15.56 | gbear14275 | pikel |
| 04:15.58 | gbear14275 | yeah |
| 04:16.04 | gnarface | gbear14275: you should be able to alt-f[N] to the other virtual consoles. there should be diagnostic output |
| 04:16.20 | gbear14275 | WOW... this is new... ejected the CD... now it moved past the first screen... |
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| 04:16.51 | gnarface | so there is a problem with your optical drive, the disk, or its just slow |
| 04:16.57 | StuckMojo | does apt/aptitude keep a record of when a particlar package was installed? if so how do i view that info? |
| 04:17.12 | gbear14275 | gnarface, yeah, that didn't work... not from the first screen virtual consoles don't appear to be working that early |
| 04:17.39 | gnarface | gbear14275: oh this is at the boot prompt? |
| 04:17.45 | EagleRock | StuckMojo: dkpg logs would have that info |
| 04:17.46 | gbear14275 | gnarface, yeah |
| 04:17.55 | EagleRock | say the dpkg logs too |
| 04:18.04 | StuckMojo | where are those? |
| 04:18.13 | EagleRock | StuckMojo: /var/log |
| 04:19.15 | bendbanks | PizzaandWine: get a 404 error when I try to wget .deb file from sourceforge |
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| 04:19.53 | PizzaandWine | http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/webadmin/webmin/1.530/webmin_1.530_all.deb?r=http%3A%2F%2Fsourceforge.net%2Fprojects%2Fwebadmin%2Ffiles%2Fwebmin%2F1.530%2Fwebmin_1.530_all.deb%2Fdownload&ts=1297916368&use_mirror=cdnetworks-us-1 |
| 04:19.57 | PizzaandWine | works for me |
| 04:20.25 | stew | !webmin |
| 04:20.25 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://bugs.debian.org/343897 about the removal from Debian. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 04:21.02 | EagleRock | that's not a biased note on webmin :-) |
| 04:21.09 | stew | Pikel: sorry, i'm not sure, i was hoping something more obvious would be in dmesg |
| 04:21.41 | gnarface | i'd have to concur. webmin, cpanel and plesk are all of such poor overall quality that there should be a law against them |
| 04:21.42 | bendbanks | okay thanks dpkg: will check out whcp |
| 04:22.12 | Pikel | stew: no worries, I was hoping for more help lol ... it seems to be a pretty obscure error as there is no documentation on this error |
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| 04:22.59 | gnarface | how much ram does squeeze need to install? |
| 04:23.07 | karlpinc | bendbanks: dpkg is a bot. Try typing "/msg dpkg whcp" into your irc client. |
| 04:23.48 | Technicus | Hello . . . how would one connect a videocamera to debian as a video capture device, specifically: [ Canon VIXIX HF R10 ]? |
| 04:23.59 | karlpinc | bendbanks: (If you're new to Debian then "/msg dpkg overview" wouldn't hurt either.) |
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| 04:24.45 | gnarface | Technicus: unless its got firewire or usb connectors you'd probably have to use a tv capture card |
| 04:25.02 | Technicus | gnarface: It has usb. |
| 04:25.21 | stew | gnarface: the release notes should have a section on hardware requirements |
| 04:26.34 | gnarface | Technicus: then it depends entirely on driver/hardware features. do you know if the usb connector is intended to give it webcam style functionality, or is it just so you can mount internal storage as a harddrive? |
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| 04:27.30 | Technicus | gnarface: I think it can function as either or. I do not know exactly. If not, perhaps there is a hack. |
| 04:27.57 | Technicus | gnarface: Do you know of a community that specalizes in this subject? |
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| 04:28.24 | karlpinc | Technicus: zoneminder does video capture.... |
| 04:28.38 | gnarface | Technicus: it is possible it has both features. typically you'd need to change a setting on the device directly to select between them. i'd recommend you read the manual and then read up on basic usb storage mounting as well as typical usb webcam use |
| 04:29.06 | gnarface | Technicus: often if you plug in the usb cable dmesg will output something helpful |
| 04:29.08 | karlpinc | Technicus: Plug it in. Look at dmesg. Search using debtags for video software..... (I'm video clueless, just rattling on in case something rings a bell.) |
| 04:29.32 | gnarface | i like vlc or ffmpeg for video capture |
| 04:29.40 | gnarface | they both have their strengths |
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| 04:30.36 | Technicus | gnarface: karlpinc: Sure thanks. I know about the settings. I need to investigate. |
| 04:31.04 | Gm4n | what does libavahi-compat-libdnssd1 do, over avahi-daemon itself? |
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| 04:31.10 | gnarface | something like this works great for me, at least with webcams. you need some stdin/stdout fu: ffmpeg -f video4linux2 -s 640x480 -r 30 -i /dev/video1 -f ogg - |mplayer -nosound -cache 32 -noconsolecontrols - |
| 04:32.59 | gnarface | vlc is also great if you can get around the configuration glitches, but it tends to handle settings invalid for your webcam rather badly (ie; catastrophic failure) |
| 04:33.18 | gnarface | so either way you gotta know your hardware capabilities very well |
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| 04:34.21 | wobblyonions | guys, is it possible to allocate more space to a swap partition without a re-install of a server? |
| 04:34.30 | gnarface | sure |
| 04:35.09 | gnarface | resizing partitions is dangerous (especially if you've never done it before) but totally possible if if you have the right amount of free space in an adjacent partition |
| 04:35.17 | wobblyonions | excellent news |
| 04:35.36 | gnarface | parted/gparted are commonly used for this purpose |
| 04:35.58 | wobblyonions | ok great I will investigate them both and see waht options are avaiable to me |
| 04:36.08 | wobblyonions | will try on a development box first I think :-) |
| 04:36.28 | gnarface | yea, i wouldn't recommend trying it on a running server. you'd want to make a full backup and then boot the drive from an external disk or another computer |
| 04:36.29 | littlegirl | You could add a swap file. |
| 04:36.36 | gnarface | wobblyonions: ^^ or this |
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| 04:37.07 | wobblyonions | littlegirl -- what do you mean exactly? |
| 04:37.20 | littlegirl | Hold on - I'll paste my little help file into Ubuntu pastebin. |
| 04:37.22 | wobblyonions | just a stupid idea but adding more RAM wont make any difference would it? |
| 04:37.23 | gnarface | these days modern linux kernels have little/no performance loss on using swap files vs partitions... with most file systems at least, and you can easily have multiple swaps instead of just one big one |
| 04:37.42 | gnarface | adding more ram always makes a difference :) |
| 04:37.52 | littlegirl | http://paste.ubuntu.com/568002/ |
| 04:38.00 | littlegirl | I've tried this out before and it works. (: |
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| 04:38.27 | wobblyonions | ok will take a look at that as well then thanks littlegirl |
| 04:38.34 | littlegirl | Any time. (: |
| 04:38.59 | gnarface | what is with that backwards smiley? is that an east coast thing? |
| 04:39.13 | littlegirl | No, it's a me thing. I decided to be different many years ago and it became habit. (: |
| 04:40.34 | gnarface | stew: which section in the release notes? |
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| 04:42.25 | stew | gnarface: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s05.html.en |
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| 04:43.13 | gnarface | stew: was i looking in the wrong place? http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/release-notes/ |
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| 04:43.58 | stew | gnarface: no, i was wrong, it was in the install guide, not the release notes |
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| 04:44.19 | gnarface | ok, thanks |
| 04:44.43 | Enox2 | After a lenny->squeeze upgrade when I 'startx' or gdm login I get a blank useless screen...Like maybe the window manager isn't coming up or something. Any ideas? This is powerpc. |
| 04:45.04 | gnarface | Enox2: i got a few ideas, but did you look at the Xorg log? |
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| 04:45.33 | gnarface | Enox2: is it one of those mobile rage 128 8-meg M3 mutants? |
| 04:45.36 | Enox2 | gnarface- I found Xorg.log.0 |
| 04:45.46 | gnarface | Enox2: pastebin it |
| 04:45.53 | littlegirl | Do you guys know if some of the Lenny sources have been removed? |
| 04:46.05 | Enox2 | ATI RV350 card(apple powerbook alum) |
| 04:46.06 | stew | littlegirl: they have not |
| 04:46.43 | Devastator | littlegirl make sure you changed your sources.list to lenny from stable |
| 04:46.51 | Devastator | as squeeze is the new stable |
| 04:46.54 | littlegirl | This is what I've been getting for the past couple of weeks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/568007/ |
| 04:47.13 | littlegirl | Devastator: But if I want to stay with Lenny, will changing it to stable keep it as it is? |
| 04:47.40 | gnarface | littlegirl: the error is in your wine source, not the distro sources |
| 04:47.58 | gnarface | lamaresh.net is just wine packages |
| 04:48.11 | littlegirl | gnarface: How about line 83 and 84? |
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| 04:48.44 | littlegirl | And 130, although I think that's a repeat of what's in 84. |
| 04:48.48 | gnarface | littlegirl: debian-multimedia is external to the distro as well |
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| 04:49.05 | Devastator | littlegirl you don't need to change nothing, i thought you had "stable", but from what i can see, you already changed to "lenny" |
| 04:49.09 | littlegirl | gnarface: Do you know where I can find the current debian-multimedia line? |
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| 04:49.39 | gnarface | littlegirl: not off the top of my head but i'd probably start by putting www.debian-multimedia.org in a browser |
| 04:49.39 | littlegirl | Devastator: Yeah, it's been Lenny all along. I'm new to Debian. I was using Kubuntu for years, so I didn't really know how to do Debian. I'm kind of flubbing along. (: |
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| 04:50.18 | gnarface | littlegirl: its possible that since squeeze is now stable some of the 3rd party sources have already ditched lenny |
| 04:50.22 | littlegirl | gnarface: Yeah, I did that already. If you look at that page, there's no mention of Lenny. It's like they removed it. |
| 04:50.37 | littlegirl | gnarface: So am I out of luck unless I upgrade? |
| 04:50.42 | Devastator | littlegirl: from debian-multimedia: |
| 04:50.45 | Enox2 | Is there a way to attach a file to pastebin? It's 43k, which is more than my window allows me to cut&paste. |
| 04:51.10 | Devastator | littlegirl: from debian-multimedia: "07/02/2011 :Oldstable is completely broken and I can't restore this release, so the best is to remove Oldstable. Sorry" |
| 04:51.18 | gnarface | littlegirl: not necessarily, you can probably just manually download and install the .deb from squeeze but i think upgrading would be the recommended practice |
| 04:51.25 | littlegirl | Devastator: Ah, okay, thanks. (: |
| 04:52.04 | Devastator | littlegirl you *try* to use squeeze packages into lenny |
| 04:52.16 | Devastator | but it's definitely not recommended |
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| 04:52.30 | littlegirl | gnarface: I'm temporarily afraid to try it. I just recently got Lenny and am loving it. Before that I had tried the latest Kubuntu and it ran like a slug on my machine although it ran great in VirtualBox. Debian Squeeze runs great in VirtualBox, but since Kubuntu did, too, I'm worried it might also run like a slug. |
| 04:52.41 | stew | littlegirl: don't mix releases. you don't want sqeueze packages in lenny without backporting them |
| 04:52.45 | littlegirl | Devastator: Yeah, I wouldn't try that. |
| 04:53.27 | littlegirl | stew: Yeah, I only backported one program. (: |
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| 04:53.50 | gnarface | Enox2: someone once mentioned to me there's a debian tool called pastebinit... mabye that will help you? |
| 04:54.22 | Rusty1 | Enox2: pastebin the output of: tail -50 Xorg.log.0, maybe that will be enough |
| 04:54.36 | Enox2 | http://www.l93.com/tmp/xorg.txt |
| 04:54.38 | Enox2 | how about that? :) |
| 04:54.40 | Devastator | littlegirl there's a guide here that shows how to backport yourself if package isn't backported yet |
| 04:54.44 | Enox2 | It's not pastbin, but it's the whole deal. |
| 04:55.17 | littlegirl | Devastator: Yeah, I only backported one program, and I'm good with that. My main worry is that I won't know if there are updates to any of the multimedia. |
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| 04:56.32 | Devastator | littlegirl how did you partition your drive? all in /? |
| 04:57.14 | littlegirl | Devastator: Boot, swap and /. |
| 04:57.15 | Devastator | littlegirl if you have separated partitions, you can always try squeeze and if doesn't run as expected, you can go back to lenny |
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| 04:57.24 | gnarface | Enox2: this concerns me: (II) RADEON(0): Cannot access BIOS or it is not valid. |
| 04:57.38 | Enox2 | Hmm |
| 04:57.42 | Enox2 | Any guesses how to fix it? |
| 04:57.44 | gnarface | Enox2: check the line after that it seems to be saying you must explicitly set a couple things in your xorg.conf |
| 04:57.45 | littlegirl | Devastator: I suppose I could try that, but I'd have to shrink the / partition and create a new one for Squeeze. (: |
| 04:57.54 | Devastator | littlegirl not the case then.. :) |
| 04:58.14 | Enox2 | Worked fine with lenny, of course. |
| 04:58.15 | Devastator | littlegirl that's rather risky, forget about it |
| 04:58.22 | Enox2 | And actually X works fine. |
| 04:58.26 | Enox2 | gdm comes up and looks great |
| 04:58.32 | Enox2 | It's more like the window manager is failing or something. |
| 04:58.42 | Bushmills | Enox2: ion or ion2 |
| 04:58.44 | Bushmills | ? |
| 04:58.46 | littlegirl | Devastator: I'll go in the #debian-kde channel and ask if I can predict how Squeeze will run by how Kubuntu runs and if they say no, then I'll just go for it. (" |
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| 04:59.13 | Devastator | littlegirl is your rig old? |
| 04:59.15 | Enox2 | Bush- How do I know? |
| 05:00.13 | Bushmills | Enox2: does lspci | grep VGA show two graphics controllers? |
| 05:00.35 | Enox2 | Only one. |
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| 05:00.50 | Enox2 | Mobility Radeon 9600 M10 |
| 05:00.54 | Enox2 | aka RV350 |
| 05:00.55 | Bushmills | yours is a different problem then |
| 05:01.02 | gnarface | Enox2: what is in your ~/.xinitrc? |
| 05:01.05 | Devastator | gonna sleep, later guys.. |
| 05:01.07 | littlegirl | Devastator: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136074 |
| 05:01.13 | Enox2 | gnarface- Does the same thing on a new user, fyi. |
| 05:01.27 | littlegirl | Devastator: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131022 |
| 05:01.29 | Enox2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.39 | littlegirl | Devastator: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103751 |
| 05:01.55 | littlegirl | Devastator: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145590 |
| 05:02.08 | littlegirl | Devastator: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130290 |
| 05:02.12 | gnarface | Enox2: if gdm comes up then X does work... its possible you aren't starting a window manager. do you know which (if any) you have installed? |
| 05:02.19 | littlegirl | It's not new, but it's not complete trash... yet... (: |
| 05:02.36 | Devastator | littlegirl i guess it will run squeeze fine |
| 05:02.39 | Enox2 | gnarface- I'm guessing gnome default? |
| 05:02.42 | Devastator | you have good ram |
| 05:02.48 | littlegirl | Devastator: Really? I would LOVE to run Squeeze. (: |
| 05:02.49 | Devastator | and vga |
| 05:03.00 | littlegirl | Devastator: Yeah, my son wants my RAM, but he's got a better video card than me. (: |
| 05:03.01 | Devastator | littlegirl it's just a guess |
| 05:03.14 | Enox2 | Is there a easy way to try another window manager? |
| 05:03.23 | Enox2 | Gnome safe mode comes up with a background, but still no bars or anything. |
| 05:03.35 | gnarface | Enox2: yea just apt-get install it then add the line to your ~/.xinitrc |
| 05:03.38 | littlegirl | Devastator: I played around with Squeeze in VirtualBox and I love how Kate has changed. |
| 05:04.16 | Devastator | I don't know much about KDE apps, it has been a long time since i don't use it |
| 05:04.23 | Devastator | last wm i used was gnome |
| 05:04.36 | Enox2 | gnarface- Can you give me a good window manager to try? And what to add to .xinitrc? |
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| 05:04.40 | littlegirl | Devastator: It's the text editor I use, and they really changed it for the better. (: |
| 05:05.10 | Devastator | i prefer lightweight window managers lately |
| 05:05.39 | Devastator | gnome/kde has lots of visual effects which i'm not much of a fan |
| 05:05.46 | spope | how do you reconfigure a package after you install and remove it? its not asking me the config questions anymore |
| 05:05.54 | Enox2 | I just want a wm that works ;) |
| 05:05.58 | littlegirl | How about XFCE for a nice lightweight window manager? |
| 05:05.59 | gnarface | Enox2: i like e16 but that's becasue i'm old. here is a typical .xinitrc: http://pastebin.com/aBLSDFyT |
| 05:06.08 | Devastator | spope did you tried dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 05:06.11 | somnus_ | uses emacs :D |
| 05:06.30 | spope | no, didnt know what to do |
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| 05:06.38 | Devastator | littlegirl good choice, i lightweight ones are more customizable.. |
| 05:06.47 | Devastator | i think.. |
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| 05:07.05 | gnarface | e16 is highly customizable |
| 05:07.16 | Canar | running into a problem with apt |
| 05:07.26 | littlegirl | Devastator: For a lightweight wm, it's amazingly customizable. The latest version doesn't allow you to define colors for the different parts of the theme on the fly, but you can design a theme with whatever colors you like. |
| 05:07.35 | Canar | There is a loop between service vpnagentd_init and rc.local if started |
| 05:07.41 | Canar | insserv is telling me that |
| 05:07.54 | Canar | squeeze |
| 05:08.05 | littlegirl | Devastator: And it has the totally coolest icon for the menu ever. (: |
| 05:08.19 | Devastator | this is one of the things i like in linux |
| 05:08.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | is it ok to use ext4 for lvm2? |
| 05:08.34 | Devastator | you have total control to make it the way you want |
| 05:08.43 | spope | what package is for apache-ssl ? |
| 05:08.53 | gnarface | Enox2: note that xinitrc starts a terminal - this can be useful if you want to test that x is starting but a window manager is not - that way you can tell the difference between "no window manager started" and "complete IO lock" |
| 05:09.06 | Devastator | spope check http://packages.debian.org |
| 05:09.44 | Enox2 | OK, so e16 works |
| 05:09.51 | Enox2 | Confirmed that it's gnome that is the problem. |
| 05:09.53 | gnarface | so you have your diagnosis |
| 05:10.08 | littlegirl | Well, thank you all of you for the help. I must be off. Good night! (: |
| 05:10.09 | somnus | spope: how about apt-cache search apache ssl? |
| 05:10.11 | Enox2 | Any guess how to fix gnome? |
| 05:10.22 | Enox2 | Or what log(s) to look at to figure out what's up? |
| 05:10.31 | gnarface | Enox2: that's been a common experience with gnome for me over the years as well, so i've just stuck to e16 |
| 05:10.32 | Enox2 | Also e16 reminds me of my days running a sun box LOL. |
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| 05:11.16 | gnarface | Enox2: well you can get nicer themes :) i recommend 23 ounces of glass. the default theme is made to be fast, not pretty |
| 05:12.45 | gnarface | gnome's memory footprint is just insulting. i don't need my window manager to do that many things. to me a window manager is just something that lets me look at more terminals at once |
| 05:13.02 | Enox2 | RAM is cheap ;) |
| 05:13.07 | Some_Person | If you install using CD1, do you get different stuff if you have an active internet connection vs not having one? |
| 05:13.11 | un214 | 8gb is $200 |
| 05:13.18 | Enox2 | But I can certainly appreciate the minimalist approach. |
| 05:13.41 | un214 | whatever happened to lxde? |
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| 05:14.21 | Enox2 | e16 is actually kind of pleasant... Very much reminds me of my first UNIX experiences. |
| 05:14.31 | gnarface | that's what i like the most about it |
| 05:14.48 | gnarface | though it was considered eye candy in the day, by today's standards its quite fast |
| 05:14.55 | neoice | twm |
| 05:15.02 | gnarface | and it has *excellent* multi-desktop support (which twm does not) |
| 05:15.25 | gnarface | excellent xinerama/twinview integration as well |
| 05:15.41 | gnarface | Enox2: you do have gnome installed for sure right? |
| 05:16.36 | Enox2 | gnarface- Well I did before i upgraded ;) |
| 05:16.41 | Enox2 | I was just looking for the package. |
| 05:17.09 | gnarface | Enox2: make sure something didn't uninstall it during the upgrade process, or just do an apt-get update && apt-get install gnome |
| 05:17.38 | MrFrood | - does not use a window manager |
| 05:17.39 | Enox2 | Oh my |
| 05:17.46 | Enox2 | Looks like something bad happened to it, for sure. |
| 05:18.11 | Enox2 | It's installing -crosses fingers- |
| 05:18.26 | gnarface | Enox2: don't forget to delete that ~/.xinitrc or you'll keep getting e16 |
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| 05:18.35 | Enox2 | Yep, thank you so much gnar. :) |
| 05:18.39 | gnarface | np |
| 05:18.42 | Enox2 | And even if I just get e16, I can deal with that. |
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| 05:28.41 | Enox2 | Yay! Gnome works. Who would have guessed upgrade would uninstall it? |
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| 05:31.22 | gnarface | seems weird but its known to happen from time to time |
| 05:31.31 | gnarface | usually has to do with a bug in the package dependencies |
| 05:31.47 | gnarface | at least, that's my guess |
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| 05:51.24 | PizzaandWine | grrr nfs...anyone else on squeeze start having slow nfs issues? |
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| 05:55.00 | mmcji | when setting up bonding, should i set eth interfaces to onboot = yes or onboot = no? |
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| 06:04.22 | gbear14275 | just installed the base debian 6 system and am running into an error with aptitude update |
| 06:05.03 | gbear14275 | getting a "failed to exec method /usr/lib/apt/methods/" |
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| 06:07.24 | gbear14275 | ok... this is frustrating... does dpkg have an "update" function? apt-get and aptitude are both refusing to update |
| 06:07.59 | gbear14275 | or... how do I update without using apt-get or aptitude |
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| 06:10.09 | gbear14275 | found the answer in case anyone else asks: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=60268 |
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| 06:34.22 | dondelelcaro | ~. |
| 06:34.22 | apt | . |
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| 06:34.55 | huangho | hello! I tried to install Squeeze in my machine, and the manual partitioning only gave me the option to create a new partition table (it did not show any of the existing partitions in the disk); to proceed I had to mount /target manually and remove /lib/partman/check.d/* so that it allowed me to proceed with the installation. Any idea of why this happened? |
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| 06:38.45 | deitarion | Does anyone know of an eix-analogue for apt? (Basically, like `apt-cache search` but with more useful output and better default search behaviour) Here's a screenshot of eix for those who've never used Gentoo or a derivative of it --> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14610481/eix.png |
| 06:39.01 | mosno | deitarion, #gentoo |
| 06:39.28 | deitarion | mosno: No, that'd be like going to #windows to ask about a Linux alternative to Microsoft Office. |
| 06:40.00 | mosno | deitarion, oh, i misread your message... apologies. |
| 06:40.14 | mosno | deitarion, i generally use aptitude to search |
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| 06:40.23 | Arrowmaster | deitarion: aptitude search |
| 06:40.27 | dondelelcaro | deitarion: not sure what you're looking for specifically; apt-cache search would return both of those results |
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| 06:40.45 | mosno | deitarion, there's also debtags, but i'm noticing that many packages aren't tagged consistently |
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| 06:41.02 | mosno | which is actually a real shame, because debtags would otherwise rock |
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| 06:41.19 | deitarion | apt-cache search gives too little information about each package and matches too many packages with its default search behaviour. |
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| 06:41.34 | dondelelcaro | deitarion: so use apt-cache search --full foo; |
| 06:41.45 | Arrowmaster | or better yet, aptitude search |
| 06:42.04 | dondelelcaro | deitarion: or, if you're looking to restrict the search to names, apt-cache search --names-only --full foo; |
| 06:42.36 | dondelelcaro | you can do far more complicated searches with aptitude search, but if you just want basic things, apt-cache search works fairly well |
| 06:42.38 | RainbowW | so i'm wanting to put together a box to do software-level raid6 on a pair of esata jbods with 4x2tb drives each. where will the processing bottleneck be, besides obviously the sata ports? will i need something with lots of ram? heavy processor? both? or can i get away with a cheap dual-core? |
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| 06:43.08 | Gnudoll | OK, what packages do I need to have 3d accel (direct rendering) on an ATI x300 (m22) chipset under squeeze? |
| 06:43.16 | dondelelcaro | RainbowW: with a cheap dualcore you should have more than enough processing power to saturate the sata controllers. |
| 06:43.23 | deitarion | Closer. Is there a way to specify a custom result format so I can prune it down a bit or a machine-readable output format so I can whip up a wrapper script? (Ideally, the latter so I can add eix-style colorization) |
| 06:43.37 | dondelelcaro | deitarion: if you want that, you want to use aptitude search or similar. |
| 06:43.54 | RainbowW | dondelelcaro, do you know of a howto/faq/something that lists well-supported esata controllers that support port multipliers? |
| 06:44.30 | dondelelcaro | RainbowW: I would expect the hardware manufacturers to tell you, but offhand, I don't know of one. |
| 06:44.39 | dondelelcaro | RainbowW: google is probably the best bet anyway |
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| 06:45.10 | RainbowW | all i usually get from manufacturers is "works with windows 7!" =/ |
| 06:45.20 | deitarion | I have no experience with aptitude. Does it get me the custom human-readable output format, the machine-readable output format, or both? ...and is there a more topical reference for me to look at than the manpage? |
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| 06:46.25 | gnarface | say i just plugged in a usb cdrw... how would i figure out what file in /dev represents it if dmesg doesn't say? |
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| 06:48.54 | s3phir0th115 | deitarion, aptitude is kinda like synaptic is for the terminal |
| 06:49.05 | s3phir0th115 | synaptic for* |
| 06:49.30 | s3phir0th115 | Uses ncurses to make a graphical menu of sorts |
| 06:49.54 | deitarion | s3phir0th115: I didn't know about that. I'd only seen its non-ncurses uses. |
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| 06:50.30 | deitarion | Maybe I'll just see if there's a Python binding for apt's package DB that'll let me search with the same performance as apt-cache. |
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| 06:52.21 | lxsameer | i'm looking for a collaborative development web application like Gforge or trac, what is you suggestion? |
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| 06:58.26 | deitarion | Oh, is there any way I could enqueue an install for once the package DB is unlocked again? |
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| 06:59.31 | dondelelcaro | deitarion: not really; doing so requires a lock on aptitude's db, which you probably can't get |
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| 07:00.01 | Arrowmaster | just make something to keep trying until it suceeds |
| 07:00.17 | gnarface | has anyone ever used a usb cdrw? i've got a usb adapter for atapi/sata drives and i can't figure out which block device it appears as when i connect it |
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| 07:00.21 | deitarion | *nod* I was just wondering if I'd be reinventing the wheel to do so. |
| 07:01.03 | deitarion | I forget. Does the exclusive lock on the DB also block apt-cache queries? |
| 07:01.44 | dondelelcaro | deitarion: no |
| 07:02.08 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: it should be sr0 or similar, unless it's totally insane |
| 07:02.25 | deitarion | Sounds like a little use of Python and apt-python should let me get all the behaviour I want (eg. "no such package") with a name like apt-deferred. |
| 07:02.41 | Arrowmaster | gnarface: ive got an my dvd burner on an ide to sata adapter and its /dev/sr0 |
| 07:02.54 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: unfortunately sr0 is the first optical drive, the one connected to the ide bus. there is no sr1 |
| 07:03.33 | gnarface | i've got one of those rosewill sata/ide -> usb adapters and i'm trying to make my cd burner work with it |
| 07:03.34 | Arrowmaster | maybe the usb adapter needs to be supported by linux |
| 07:03.53 | gnarface | dmesg says "[613028.777087] usb-storage: device found at 6" |
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| 07:04.22 | Arrowmaster | hmm usb-storage just seems wrong |
| 07:04.31 | Arrowmaster | although i dont really know |
| 07:04.40 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: and do you see anything else? |
| 07:04.54 | gnarface | yea i'll pastebin |
| 07:05.47 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: this is actually several plug/unplug actions. i'm not sure where it started exactly so i just included a few of them http://pastebin.com/R90QtSC8 |
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| 07:06.35 | gnarface | when it says "device found at 6" for example /dev/bus/usb/002/006 *does* appear --- but its not a block device :-/ |
| 07:06.36 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: do you have any scd devices? |
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| 07:07.13 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: yea there is a /dev/scd0 but its just a symlink to /dev/sr0, the dvd rom |
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| 07:07.26 | Arrowmaster | did you check /dev/block/by-id/ and see if anything looks like it might be it from the name |
| 07:08.10 | gnarface | Arrowmaster: there's no /dev/block/by-id directory |
| 07:08.37 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: hrm; and there are no new sd or hd devices? |
| 07:08.39 | Arrowmaster | really wishes he had is debian desktop back |
| 07:08.57 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: have you tried shoving a disk into the drive just to see what happens? |
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| 07:09.04 | swoody | I have an issue trying to instal debian onto an existing encrypted drive. Typically when I need to reinstall I will use the installer terminal to 'anna-install cryptsetup' and 'modprobe dm-crypt' however this is giving me and error: "FATAL: Modprobe dm_crypt not found." |
| 07:09.30 | swoody | Does anyone know what I need to get this working, or if dm_crypt has been moved to a seperate package? |
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| 07:10.08 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: yes, there's a working disk in there currently. all it does is make the yellow light turn green. there's no new sd or hd devices... but there is a broken symlink to a non-existent /dev/sdb at /dev/block/8:16 |
| 07:10.43 | gnarface | all that is in /dev/disk/by-id is a bunch of symlinks to various /dev/sda partitions |
| 07:10.58 | gnarface | (my primary ide harddrive) |
| 07:11.49 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: hrm; odd. I'm not really an expert in external usb cdrom devices... |
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| 07:12.08 | gnarface | me either, apparently |
| 07:12.16 | gnarface | this is the first time i've tried to mount an optical drive over usb |
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| 07:12.38 | gnarface | i wonder what happened to that /dev/sdb |
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| 07:14.09 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: it shows up in lsusb: Bus 002 Device 006: ID 152d:2338 JMicron Technology Corp. / JMicron USA Technology Corp. JM20337 Hi-Speed USB to SATA & PATA Combo Bridge |
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| 07:15.59 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: yeah, there should be something after that where it detects the cdrom |
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| 07:17.18 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: its a stock kernel... could i be missing a module? |
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| 07:18.49 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: maybe, but I checked and couldn't remember what it would be... usb cdroms are kind of odd |
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| 07:19.36 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: this is weird |
| 07:19.54 | gnarface | if i plug in the usb cable without supplying power |
| 07:20.03 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.10 | gnarface | (even though the drive is unpowered) |
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| 07:20.15 | gnarface | that's ... really weird |
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| 07:23.09 | Gm4n | My raid device used to show up on md0, on my new system it's showing up as md127. Any ideas on how to change that back to md0? |
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| 07:26.42 | mikunos | Hi guys I am new with debian and I would like to learn something about this fantastic OS |
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| 07:34.26 | swoody | Gm4n: you *should* be able to change that in /etc/crypttab |
| 07:34.46 | Gm4n | I don't have an /etc/crypttab |
| 07:35.20 | swoody | Gm4n: hmm... what version of debian are you using? |
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| 07:35.39 | Gm4n | just installed the new squeeze release, amd64 |
| 07:36.00 | swoody | oh sorry, that's RAID, crypttab is for encrypted drives, my apologies :/ |
| 07:36.01 | swoody | it' |
| 07:36.04 | swoody | s too late |
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| 07:37.06 | swoody | Gm4n: try /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 07:37.16 | swoody | "# definitions of existing MD arrays" |
| 07:37.33 | Gm4n | yeah, I already did. it's defined as /dev/md0 |
| 07:37.47 | Gm4n | swoody: ARRAY /dev/md0 UUID=df6df64f:7f3a3af9:e34ba98b:5bc5bc0e |
| 07:37.58 | swoody | that's odd |
| 07:38.32 | Gm4n | oh weird |
| 07:38.36 | Gm4n | it gets more interesting :) |
| 07:38.59 | Gm4n | I only have a /dev/md0, not a /dev/md127 |
| 07:39.28 | swoody | :o |
| 07:39.38 | Gm4n | wait, I'm now all kinds of confused |
| 07:39.54 | Gm4n | mount /dev/md<tab> gives me 0 |
| 07:40.21 | Gm4n | fsck /dev/md<tab> gives me md/ md127 |
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| 07:40.56 | Gm4n | while `ls -l /dev/md0` gives me `ls: cannot access /dev/md0: No such file or directory` |
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| 07:42.35 | [zaf]-Coral | How do I create a device node to connect to a specific address (dmesg outputs using uhci_hcd and address 5) |
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| 07:44.08 | swoody | Gm4n: may sound odd, but have you changed any BIOS settings recently? |
| 07:44.28 | Gm4n | yes, this is a brand new box |
| 07:44.34 | Gm4n | I tweaked the bios settings a bit |
| 07:44.39 | Gm4n | then transplanted drives from my old box |
| 07:44.59 | swoody | might want to check into that, see comment #27 here: http://www.ducea.com/2009/03/08/mdadm-cheat-sheet/ |
| 07:45.09 | swoody | Gm4n: ^^ |
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| 07:45.52 | Gm4n | whoah, interesting |
| 07:46.05 | swoody | just below that: " AHCI Bios options changes the way disks re represented to the OS, so Iâm not surprised it mangled your RAID array." |
| 07:46.21 | Gm4n | so I should go from SATA as AHCI to SATA as IDE? |
| 07:46.33 | swoody | I would assume so |
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| 07:46.54 | Gm4n | isn't AHCI preferable? |
| 07:48.59 | swoody | Gm4n: I'm not really familiar with the nuances of AHCI. I'd say do a bit of reading and see if it's something that would benefit *you* or not: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Host_Controller_Interface |
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| 07:52.27 | scompt | hello all, how do I structure my debian package to have it produce multiple packages from one source tree? I'm using debhelper |
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| 07:53.03 | Canar | an easy example to look at that i have some experience with is plymouth |
| 07:53.20 | Canar | gnome-colors too |
| 07:53.22 | mikunos | hi guys |
| 07:53.35 | JamesM-SiteGen | Hello, I recently (just then) installed Debian Squeeze and then manually added in non-free into the sources.list file, but for some reason i am not getting sun-java6-plugin in the package list, any ideas? |
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| 07:54.04 | Canar | JamesM-SiteGen: my apologies for asking the obvious, but have you made sure to apt-get update? |
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| 07:54.44 | JamesM-SiteGen | yes. I'm not that new to linux, I've been using it for quite a while, any other ideas? |
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| 07:55.44 | swoody | JamesM-SiteGen: Do you get any errors when you update? Also, have you tried a different mirror? |
| 07:55.50 | JamesM-SiteGen | Humm, "s. I'm not that new to linux, I've bee" Not so new to debian/debian-based so I also understand aptitude plenty |
| 07:56.02 | JamesM-SiteGen | Different Mirror, Humm |
| 07:56.08 | JamesM-SiteGen | and no, no errors. |
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| 07:56.26 | dondelelcaro | JamesM-SiteGen: what does apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy sun-java6-plugin; output? |
| 07:56.59 | JamesM-SiteGen | does debian have past bin? |
| 07:57.03 | JamesM-SiteGen | paste |
| 07:57.04 | dondelelcaro | !paste |
| 07:57.04 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 07:57.36 | JamesM-SiteGen | http://paste.debian.net/107913/ |
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| 07:58.09 | JamesM-SiteGen | Humm, debians paste needs there site theme update :p |
| 07:58.16 | mikunos | hi guys why the QUOTA doesn't start correctly? http://pastie.org/1573701 |
| 07:58.45 | JamesM-SiteGen | Oh yeah, and I am also attempting to get the linuxmint feel :) |
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| 07:59.36 | JamesM-SiteGen | but all I need for that now is these two packages: sun-java6-plugin, unrar. :) |
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| 08:03.17 | JamesM-SiteGen | mikunos : You should on your webserver make an alias file, mine has many shortcuts like l='ls -lart' and cu checks for updates using aptitude. and many other shortcuts. |
| 08:03.47 | JamesM-SiteGen | dondelelcaro : Did you see my pasted data for your question? if not its http://paste.debian.net/107913/ |
| 08:04.17 | JamesM-SiteGen | or http://paste.debian.net/plain/107913 for text only :) much neater.. |
| 08:05.01 | Gm4n | swoody: switching back to ide mode didn't fix the issue (although it did change which drives are in md127 back to sda-sdd) |
| 08:05.05 | oOarthurOo | pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list too JamesM-SiteGen |
| 08:05.27 | JamesM-SiteGen | kk |
| 08:05.46 | swoody | Gm4n: sorry to hear that, I don't know what else to try here :/ |
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| 08:06.20 | Gm4n | this time, though, mkconf generated a config mapping to /dev/md127... I'm editing it to say md0 and seeing how it works |
| 08:07.08 | JamesM-SiteGen | oOarthurOo : http://paste.debian.net/107914/ |
| 08:08.07 | oOarthurOo | JamesM-SiteGen, change this: deb http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 08:08.31 | oOarthurOo | same for security |
| 08:09.12 | JamesM-SiteGen | squeeze-updates has the change but the rest don't thanks, will do. |
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| 08:09.45 | oOarthurOo | JamesM-SiteGen, there hasn't been an update for the sun-jre package, so you won't find it in there yet |
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| 08:10.47 | JamesM-SiteGen | Humm, so the updates to to squeeze-updates and not squeeze ?? |
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| 08:11.42 | JamesM-SiteGen | yay minty packages are installing, Hello Stable LMDE :) |
| 08:12.13 | JamesM-SiteGen | in t-2.33 mins |
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| 08:13.36 | JamesM-SiteGen | 9 minuets :) |
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| 08:14.26 | sfdafdsaf | debianuserforums.org ROCKS! |
| 08:14.27 | JamesM-SiteGen | Humm, oOarthurOo : Do you think it is a good Idea to install the LMDE mint-meta-debian package, just because I like the theme and feel? |
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| 08:15.53 | sfdafdsaf | you honestly cant create your own 'look and feel' ? |
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| 08:16.32 | oOarthurOo | JamesM-SiteGen, a theme can be installed locally, in the users home directory. I avoid non debian repos if possible, and in this case it seems possible to avoid. |
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| 08:18.14 | JamesM-SiteGen_ | Man I love how DebSqueeze is so fast, I just bumped the power cord and it died, Already back :) |
| 08:18.32 | JamesM-SiteGen_ | so oOarthurOo did you get my last message just before I vanished? |
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| 08:20.11 | hyde__ | can't install debian squeeze using lastest virtualbox. always failing with no response from screen. |
| 08:20.28 | oOarthurOo | repaste: JamesM-SiteGen, a theme can be installed locally, in the users home directory. I avoid non debian repos if possible, and in this case it seems possible to avoid. |
| 08:20.29 | hyde__ | same procedure works fine with ubuntu and fedora guest |
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| 08:25.42 | Gm4n | swoody: seems to be working as md127, but I'd really rather have it back to md0 |
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| 08:27.18 | JamesM-SiteGen_ | Yay full LMDE installed from within Debian Squeeze Install, Thanks to those who helped me with the little problem I had. Now lets remove stuff :) |
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| 08:30.21 | JamesM-SiteGen_ | Humm, how do I uninstall 'Empathy IM Client', 'Evolution Mail' Without uninstalling gnome? |
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| 08:31.16 | JamesM-SiteGen_ | Humm, Error, my Thunderbird in not in ENGLISH, any ideas? |
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| 08:32.08 | echo-area | Has anyone upgraded bzr to version 2.3.0? After that upgrade, bzr explorer doesn't work any more for me |
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| 08:32.17 | echo-area | In wheezy |
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| 08:32.57 | JamesM-SiteGen_ | Wheezy, when should that be out? |
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| 08:34.09 | JamesM-SiteGen_ | Fixed Arabic thunderbird, It decided to install the wrong language pack :) |
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| 08:35.39 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Any ideas if mount option 'nodiratime' ir a part of 'noatime'? |
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| 08:43.52 | Bartzy | Hi, I use 'cp' to copy a local file to a NFS mount to a server in the same LAN. I sometimes get "Input/Output error" from cp. Any idea ? |
| 08:44.04 | Bartzy | There is no packet loss (checked with ping -i 0.001 -c 1000) |
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| 08:44.15 | JamesM-SiteGen_ | hid3 : man mount; # Then type in '/noatime' And then after reading it type in '/nodiratime' |
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| 08:44.30 | JamesM-SiteGen_ | hid3 : Hope that helps. :) |
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| 08:46.45 | JamesM-SiteGen | oOarthurOo : i would say you are right but I do also wish to have the other packages, as the theme is only one part of the feel, MintMenu and MintInstall are very nice :) |
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| 08:55.02 | Bartzy | How can I get the 'vol_id' binary ? |
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| 08:57.43 | dimir | Eh? |
| 08:57.58 | dimir | apt-file search it? |
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| 08:59.50 | Canar | sup homie |
| 08:59.54 | Canar | (sorry, had to) |
| 09:00.32 | MadHaTTer_444 | hopefully this room isnt full op power trippin ops and azz kissin peons like so many other rooms (that im banned from) |
| 09:00.47 | Canar | u mad bro? |
| 09:00.56 | homie | ? |
| 09:01.02 | homie | yes |
| 09:01.03 | MadHaTTer_444 | na jus tired |
| 09:01.06 | homie | lol |
| 09:01.36 | Canar | * MadHaTTer_444 is now known as HaTTer_444 |
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| 09:01.54 | MadHaTTer_444 | lol |
| 09:02.02 | SPF | !ot |
| 09:02.02 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 09:02.05 | MadHaTTer_444 | ill be mad tomarrow |
| 09:02.09 | ikonia | !ops |
| 09:02.09 | dpkg | ops is probably Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 09:02.20 | Canar | ... sorry |
| 09:02.20 | ikonia | dpkg: opes MadHaTTer_444 network troll |
| 09:02.20 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, ikonia |
| 09:02.37 | ikonia | dpkg ops MadHaTTer_444 network troll |
| 09:02.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: ikonia complains about: MadHaTTer_444 network troll |
| 09:02.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok how do i get ext4 support in lenny |
| 09:03.02 | MadHaTTer_444 | this guy is following me |
| 09:03.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | mount /dev/morpheus_lvm_grp/profiles /media/profiles |
| 09:03.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4' |
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| 09:03.26 | MadHaTTer_444 | im no troll just ikonia is power trippin |
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| 09:03.36 | specon | anyone alive in here? |
| 09:03.50 | homie | nope |
| 09:03.54 | VenturiDebian | anyone speaks spanish? |
| 09:03.55 | specon | i installed openoffice using the grapical setup and now i can't find how to start it up |
| 09:04.05 | homie | i'm just deathly staring at you |
| 09:04.07 | specon | its installed into my home folder |
| 09:04.18 | specon | but i don't know how to open writer or so |
| 09:04.27 | tvm | specon: 'openoffice' command should suffice |
| 09:04.37 | nkuttler | specon: graphical setup? |
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| 09:04.50 | tvm | sounds like he installed it the 'wrong' way |
| 09:05.03 | specon | tvm i just installed it like i would install it on windows |
| 09:05.15 | nkuttler | specon: well, you're not on windows, so don't do that |
| 09:05.19 | VenturiDebian | specon, on what? |
| 09:05.20 | specon | i unpacked it, then i have open the setup |
| 09:05.22 | tvm | why did you not use the debian package ? |
| 09:05.34 | specon | tvm because i'm using fedora :) |
| 09:05.35 | specon | lol |
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| 09:05.40 | tvm | :| |
| 09:05.48 | specon | but fedora is based on debian i assume |
| 09:05.52 | VenturiDebian | specon, do you know this channel is for debian support |
| 09:06.00 | specon | so in my home folder i can see the folder opt that the one of openoffice |
| 09:06.04 | VenturiDebian | specon, no, it's based on ReddamnedHat |
| 09:06.10 | VenturiDebian | RedHat |
| 09:06.32 | specon | yeah okay but please help me out ? |
| 09:06.41 | simonrvn | go see #fedora |
| 09:06.50 | specon | no support there lol |
| 09:06.59 | simonrvn | not our problem |
| 09:07.00 | VenturiDebian | specon, ok query me |
| 09:07.02 | Bartzy | Hi, I use 'cp' to copy a local file to a NFS mount to a server in the same LAN. I sometimes get "Input/Output error" from cp. Any idea ? |
| 09:07.05 | dondelelcaro | specon: if they can't support you, then that's not somethign we can help you with |
| 09:07.06 | VenturiDebian | ill help you |
| 09:07.10 | peterrooney | specon: who told you fedoroa was based on debian? |
| 09:07.23 | specon | peterrooney, eummm dunno :) |
| 09:07.27 | peterrooney | has a small boggle behind the ferns |
| 09:07.35 | specon | VenturiDebian, thanks explain me how to open writer for example |
| 09:08.03 | dondelelcaro | Bartzy: you may have odd mount options which allow for operations to timeout instead of block, which could allow that error to occur. |
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| 09:08.28 | Azrael_-| | arguments against redhat/centos? (i'm only a debian-user so i dunno what the downfalls of them are) |
| 09:08.39 | dondelelcaro | Azrael_-|: they're not on topic here. |
| 09:08.46 | Azrael_-| | ok |
| 09:09.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | i found it |
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| 09:16.44 | eightcell | morning |
| 09:17.01 | Bartzy | dondelelcaro: What could be such options ? |
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| 09:17.58 | Bartzy | deondelelcaro: This is my mount: my_server:/mnt/md1 on /amd/my_server/root/mnt/md1 type nfs (rw,vers=3,proto=tcp) |
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| 09:24.06 | gan | is there any security vulnerability in kernel |
| 09:24.33 | pbn | maybe |
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| 09:25.21 | gan | pbn, could you tell me the module name |
| 09:25.56 | richo | heh |
| 09:26.13 | Bartzy | Hi, I copy a local file to a NFS mount to a server in the same LAN. I sometimes get "Input/Output error" . Any idea ? |
| 09:26.16 | richo | I'm about to install Wheezy KfBSD/i386 |
| 09:26.22 | richo | all things going to plan.. see you soon :) |
| 09:26.35 | gan | i used initramfs-tools for making live cd, it is not doing the automatic login .. but this i have done in the earlier version |
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| 09:34.51 | PiousMinion | Hi, somehow virtualbox guest additions installed itself during the os install, but when I try to remove it, apt tries to install a bunch of Xorg stuff. Any idea why this might be? |
| 09:36.08 | EagleRock | PiousMinion: try aptitude why virtualbox-guest-additions |
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| 09:37.40 | richo | awesome installertaing :D |
| 09:38.52 | ansgarj | hi |
| 09:38.57 | richo | hi |
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| 09:39.05 | EagleRock | hi |
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| 09:39.32 | geekie | haaai EagleRocker! |
| 09:39.34 | VenturiDebian | PiousMinion, the xorg files are xserver-xorg-video and input? |
| 09:40.02 | ansgarj | i like to add some more tasksel options in my PXE debian installer, any idea how to do? |
| 09:40.14 | richo | ruh roh |
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| 09:40.56 | PiousMinion | VenturiDebian: a bunch of stuff. I fixed it by appending xserver-xorg to the remove list. |
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| 09:46.51 | c0br42 | i'm hosting free ubuntu shells for anyone that wants one |
| 09:47.53 | PiousMinion | c0br42: you had me until ubuntu. :P |
| 09:48.10 | c0br42 | PiousMinion: what? |
| 09:48.24 | c0br42 | it's my first time hosting shells so i thought i would choose an easy distro to administrate |
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| 09:49.30 | PiousMinion | c0br42: I wouldn't touch uBUGtu/uBLOATu with a ten foot pole. |
| 09:49.39 | c0br42 | oh.. |
| 09:49.51 | EagleRock | PiousMinion: or a 20-hop ssh connection? |
| 09:49.58 | c0br42 | well it's just for if you wanna do coding and stuff.. |
| 09:50.09 | PiousMinion | c0br42: That's just my personaly opinion though. I'm sure you'll get some takers. |
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| 09:50.21 | PiousMinion | EagleRock: nice. hehe |
| 09:50.24 | c0br42 | hopefully so far i haven't had 1 taker |
| 09:50.44 | c0br42 | i'm trying to practice for when i'm a real administrator |
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| 09:50.59 | EagleRock | c0br42: I'm sure those in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic will be interested |
| 09:51.10 | jelly | even #debian-offtopic |
| 09:51.10 | bocaneri | If not simply amused. |
| 09:51.54 | c0br42 | EagleRock: thank you |
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| 09:57.35 | gan | i used initramfs-tools for making live cd, it is not doing the automatic login .. but this i have done in the earlier version |
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| 10:06.37 | mongrol | anyone got a sandy bridge box with squeeze running? |
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| 10:12.44 | gypsymauro | it's better to use ext3 or ext4 on a production server? for what I recall the debian documentation suggests to use ext3 and doesn't mention about ext4. is ext3 the best solution then? |
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| 10:13.30 | eni23 | hello at all. gott a little question: is it possible to change the login-screen in squeeze (gdm3) ? |
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| 10:14.41 | mah454 | Hello ... |
| 10:14.55 | mah454 | How i can test TPROXY in squid ? |
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| 10:23.17 | ov3rmind | hi to all good r00t's |
| 10:24.22 | c0br42 | anyone want a free shell i'm hosting |
| 10:25.25 | babilen | gypsymauro: ext4 is a reasonable choice |
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| 10:25.39 | homie | free shell ? |
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| 10:26.03 | c0br42 | homie: yes |
| 10:26.10 | homie | what is that for ? |
| 10:26.19 | torgrimt | his personal honeypot ;) |
| 10:26.20 | c0br42 | you can use it for pretty much anything, just don't hack me |
| 10:26.25 | homie | ahahah |
| 10:26.42 | homie | i don't hack anyone |
| 10:26.54 | richo | I'm running deb kFreeBSD/i386 on my laptop with atheros wifi hardware |
| 10:27.09 | richo | Can't attach interface ath0 to bpf device /dev/bpf0: No such device or address |
| 10:27.10 | richo | Failed to bring up ath0. |
| 10:27.10 | richo | r |
| 10:27.13 | richo | I get this.. any ideas? |
| 10:27.14 | homie | <- not able to |
| 10:27.26 | homie | much above me |
| 10:28.05 | lwithers | gypsymauro: http://lwn.net/Articles/426961/ has some discussion about ext3 vs ext4 |
| 10:28.24 | homie | and to break in to someones box without it's owners consent is disgusting me actually |
| 10:28.27 | c0br42 | homie: did you want a shell then? |
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| 10:28.44 | c0br42 | you sound like the kind of users i would be intrested in having |
| 10:29.01 | homie | ok , but what shell i do with a shell ? |
| 10:29.11 | c0br42 | bash |
| 10:29.15 | homie | ah |
| 10:29.15 | richo | ...? |
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| 10:30.08 | homie | c0br42: do you provide some progs there too ? |
| 10:30.33 | c0br42 | yea if you need something installed just holler |
| 10:30.42 | c0br42 | homie: i made u a shell i will pm you.. |
| 10:30.56 | homie | hmm, not that i can think of anything as of now |
| 10:30.59 | rtra | c0br42: what goal are you trying to achieve by doing this? |
| 10:31.24 | richo | I'm fairly vague too |
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| 10:31.31 | homie | but i have shell here |
| 10:32.01 | richo | c0br42: I used to give out shells on some of my machines, but that was because it was wierd hardware not everyone has access to |
| 10:32.02 | c0br42 | rtra i'm trying 2 learn, so shoot me |
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| 10:33.16 | rtra | c0br42: ok. good luck then. |
| 10:33.20 | richo | lulz. |
| 10:33.26 | richo | The testing installer installed stable sources.list |
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| 10:33.32 | richo | logbug tiem |
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| 10:37.35 | rtra | finally understood xkbset. now i only need a command to monitor xkb state. |
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| 10:38.48 | badbyte | hi |
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| 10:39.41 | badbyte | i have installed debian squeeze and have an intel wireless card that needs this package |
| 10:39.43 | badbyte | firmware-iwlwifi |
| 10:39.52 | badbyte | which is a non-free package |
| 10:39.55 | richo | mhrm... |
| 10:40.00 | richo | add non-free to your sources? |
| 10:40.07 | badbyte | exactly |
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| 10:40.24 | badbyte | that is my question where can i find the list of non-free sources |
| 10:40.28 | richo | Geh. If you forgot to disable install-suggests and install-recommends while setting up your system, is there a way to flush them out? |
| 10:40.29 | badbyte | to add to my list |
| 10:40.31 | richo | huh? |
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| 10:40.42 | richo | badbyte: just open /etc/apt/sources.list and add non-free to the end of the main one |
| 10:40.53 | richo | s/main/main contrib non-free/ |
| 10:41.01 | richo | is what I do pretty much immediately after I finish installing |
| 10:41.08 | badbyte | just beside the "main" i add "non-free" |
| 10:41.09 | badbyte | ? |
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| 10:41.51 | badbyte | so it would look like this "deb http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/linux/debian/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free" |
| 10:42.05 | richo | yeah |
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| 10:42.56 | quodt | hi, how can i set the revision number while creating a deb package? |
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| 10:43.10 | quodt | (not the version) |
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| 10:43.57 | richo | good lord |
| 10:44.04 | richo | something in my environment makes lynx REALLY angry |
| 10:44.32 | richo | does anyone know which package contains xset? |
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| 10:45.00 | badbyte | richo: i made my sources.list file look like this |
| 10:45.02 | badbyte | http://pastebin.com/PQ0sdUZK |
| 10:45.13 | ansgar | richo: apt-file knows |
| 10:45.31 | eni23 | hello at all. it it possible to change the login-screen in squeeze (gdm3)? |
| 10:46.07 | badbyte | richo and now after entering apt-get update i get this message |
| 10:46.09 | badbyte | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/linux/debian/debian/dists/squeeze/Release Unable to find expected entry non-free//binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
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| 10:46.30 | richo | ansgar: I need to install it.. does apt-file still know? |
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| 10:50.20 | ansgar | richo: Yes, it searches a Contents file with the files of all packages. |
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| 10:51.27 | richo | Awesome, thanks |
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| 10:54.23 | lucio | I booted the Debian 6.0 amd64 netinstall CD and I couldn't ran the "Graphical Install". Is it a known issue? |
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| 10:55.52 | novoid | What debian package do I have to install in order to call kcmshell4 fonts (kcmshell4 is available, font not) to change KDE font settings for KDE apps. (I am using OpenBox as WM and some KDE apps just as apps) |
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| 10:56.24 | gypsymauro | I've a problem with open-iscsi, it doesn't attach the remote target automatically at startup, I've put node.startup = automatic everywhere .. any hint? |
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| 11:07.58 | mah454 | I have problem with update-rc.d command ! |
| 11:08.06 | mah454 | receive this message : update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing |
| 11:08.29 | mah454 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:08.36 | mah454 | receive this message : update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencin |
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| 11:09.36 | xyan | mah454: squeeze migrated to insserv |
| 11:09.47 | xyan | !insserv |
| 11:09.47 | dpkg | somebody said insserv was a dependency-based <init> system that is compatible with <sysvinit> and is the default from squeeze onwards. See also <upstart>. To use insserv, your init scripts need to have tags at the top of them that describe what they depend on to permit the correct ordering of the init scripts (see <missing lsb tags>). |
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| 11:10.57 | mah454 | How i can use this command ? I used : update-rc.d squid defaults |
| 11:11.14 | xyan | man insserv |
| 11:11.21 | xyan | but yeah insserv -v squid |
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| 11:11.28 | xyan | to remove it insserv -vr squid |
| 11:11.35 | by73r0bb3r | hey im wondering how to install flash on amd64 squeeze |
| 11:11.36 | xyan | verbose mode tells you what happens |
| 11:11.56 | by73r0bb3r | if i copy the .so to ~/.mozilla/plugins i just get a black box |
| 11:11.57 | xyan | by73r0bb3r: use gnash or enable non-free repos and install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 11:12.10 | by73r0bb3r | non-free in stable? |
| 11:12.19 | xyan | by73r0bb3r: yeah what else? |
| 11:12.38 | babilen | by73r0bb3r: No, you want contrib and then "aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree" |
| 11:12.46 | babilen | !tell by73r0bb3r -about contrib |
| 11:12.55 | xyan | oops right babilen |
| 11:12.57 | mah454 | Thank You :) |
| 11:13.11 | gypsymauro | doh, I found.. my eth0 interfaces is setted up by network manager that starts after open-iscsi deamon, I suppose it's a bug? |
| 11:13.26 | babilen | gypsymauro: yes, network-manager is a bug |
| 11:13.29 | by73r0bb3r | ah yes contrib |
| 11:13.31 | babilen | hides |
| 11:13.41 | Guest28249 | Lulz, in the same time it took for vlc to build on my gentoo box with decent hardware, I've more or less installed and sorted out all the issues in debian kfBSD |
| 11:13.44 | Guest28249 | ... |
| 11:14.28 | Guest28249 | Why the hell did half of my irssi config disappear |
| 11:14.29 | gypsymauro | babilen: lol :) in effects it causes a lot of problems.. |
| 11:14.52 | Guest28249 | brb |
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| 11:17.01 | by73r0bb3r | br |
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| 11:20.09 | cheater00 | hey guys! |
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| 11:20.54 | cheater00 | i'm stracing a broken application which can't save files. i'm not 100% sure what this means: `open("/home/damian/.wine/dosdevices/z:/tmp", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE|O_DIRECTORY) = 87` - could someone enlighten me what this return value means? |
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| 11:21.25 | xyan | cheater00: a filehandle? |
| 11:21.30 | cheater00 | 87 is the file handle, right? |
| 11:21.34 | cheater00 | heh, i was just typing that |
| 11:21.35 | cheater00 | gotcha |
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| 11:23.15 | cheater00 | thanks xyan :) |
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| 11:24.37 | cheater00 | would you have any idea what it's doing here? ioctl(87, TUNIOCGETINFO or VFAT_IOCTL_READDIR_BOTH, 0x222000) = -1 ENOTTY (Inappropriate ioctl for device) |
| 11:24.47 | by73r0bb3r | i have one more problem, while on loading udev at boot when it says i go to a vga console, i only want 80 column |
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| 11:26.29 | xyan | cheater00: man ioctl |
| 11:26.35 | sekon | cheater00: open is returning fd |
| 11:26.48 | cheater00 | xyan: that didn't help much. i don't understand what the flags might be doing |
| 11:27.04 | cheater00 | sekon: thanks |
| 11:27.20 | sekon | cheater00: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ioctl |
| 11:27.35 | sekon | or specifically |
| 11:27.46 | sekon | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ioctl#Unix |
| 11:27.54 | xyan | cheater00: thats pretty wine specific ask the wine-devel mailinglist or #wine if such a channel exists |
| 11:28.07 | xianlogo | I have, maybe astupid question. But, i have an ideos tablet. is debian compatable. |
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| 11:28.18 | lwithers | cheater00: I think VFAT_IOCTL_READDIR_BOTH is some sort of VFAT-specific way of searching a directory; however, is the path you mentioned above actually on a VFAT filesystem? |
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| 11:30.23 | xianlogo | And |
| 11:30.30 | by73r0bb3r | i dont get this grub is told to not do a graphics console |
| 11:30.51 | xianlogo | Hrm... |
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| 11:31.47 | xyan | xianlogo: we dont know shit about the ideos tablet, what arch is it does it have some special hardware? if its a silly atom thing with common hardware debian should work on it |
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| 11:31.52 | xyan | bye .. |
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| 11:32.14 | xyan | by73r0bb3r: ? did you disable it in /etc/default/grub ? |
| 11:32.22 | novoid | great. KDE is telling me to go to #debian and #debian seems to be not interested either. Maybe ubuntu is the better choice ... |
| 11:32.55 | xyan | novoid: thanks for the info, whats your problem? |
| 11:33.07 | novoid | xyan: ;-) |
| 11:33.09 | by73r0bb3r | xyan how, noy add exceptions no |
| 11:33.12 | novoid | What debian package do I have to install in order to call kcmshell4 fonts (kcmshell4 is available, font not) to change KDE font settings for KDE apps. (I am using OpenBox as WM and some KDE apps just as apps) |
| 11:33.56 | nething | I have a system which has a custom-built freeradius package. apt-get upgrade wants to install the default package even though it's the same version. I've looked at pinning but I'm not sure how to tell apt that I am quite happy with the installed version and don't install the same version again from somewhere else. |
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| 11:34.13 | xyan | novoid: kdebase-runtime |
| 11:34.17 | xyan | !tell novoid about apt-file |
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| 11:35.31 | xyan | novoid: the fonts shouldnt be tight to kde or gnome or anything else, just install ttf-foo font packages i guess |
| 11:35.39 | Bushmills | novoid: uibuntu installation cd |
| 11:35.56 | xyan | novoid: if it tells you about a missing font file then use apt-file to search for the corresponding package |
| 11:36.05 | xyan | novoid: wait are you running ubuntu lol? |
| 11:36.50 | Bushmills | xyan: answering his musing of "Maybe ubuntu is the better choice ..." |
| 11:37.13 | novoid | xyan: my problem: after installing Debian sid, I got awful small and ugly fonts in my KDE apps (in OpenBox). I just want to have the possibility to choose another font. I thought it might be possible with "kcmshell4 fonts" |
| 11:37.30 | Bushmills | !sid |
| 11:37.31 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 11:37.47 | novoid | xyan: What use is apt-file when I don't have a clue what is missing here? |
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| 11:38.04 | xyan | novoid: thats most likely a problem of Xorg itself detecting wrong dpi settings not the fonts nor openbox nor kde |
| 11:38.11 | novoid | Bushmills: I know what sid is. |
| 11:38.31 | xyan | novoid: we support stable in here, if you chose to run sid your on your own |
| 11:38.59 | novoid | xyan: I know what sid is. But I guess that my problem refers to both systems. |
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| 11:40.42 | xyan | novoid: cant you just change the font using qtconfig-qt4? |
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| 11:42.05 | akssps011 | When I log into debian, an awkward pattern is shown on the screen before login |
| 11:42.16 | akssps011 | I doubt its due to the graphic driver |
| 11:42.21 | babilen | novoid: It would also be worth checking that this problem is only occuring in KDE and not in other desktop environments / window managers |
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| 11:42.46 | akssps011 | does ATI Radeon's proprietry driver are supported by debain ? |
| 11:42.58 | babilen | novoid: That would spare you the work tweaking KDE settings if the problem is somewhere else. |
| 11:43.09 | xyan | babilen: he said its only in kde apps ran within openbox wm |
| 11:43.09 | VenturiDebian | akssps011, no |
| 11:43.40 | babilen | akssps011: What do you mean by "supported"? You can install it, but don't expect us to break in ATI HQ, steal the source code and release bug fixes ... |
| 11:43.53 | novoid | xyan: when I change the default font in qtconfig-qt4 it has no impact on fonts in choqok or such apps :-( |
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| 11:44.07 | babilen | xyan: Ah, well. qtconfig-qt4 is a good approach then. :) |
| 11:44.11 | uoods | qtconfig-qt3? |
| 11:44.11 | novoid | babilen: my desktop environment is *not* KDE but OpenBox |
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| 11:44.19 | VenturiDebian | akssps011, sorry but we can't help you with any proprietary software... |
| 11:44.50 | babilen | novoid: Yes, xyan made that clear. And the problem is only occuring with QT applications? |
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| 11:45.18 | akssps011 | babilen: VenturiDebian my system is getting overheated with every linux OS I have tried. After doing some search and consulting some other dell users, they say that "open source graphic driver" is a source of problem |
| 11:45.27 | babilen | !tell akssps011 -about fglrx |
| 11:45.56 | babilen | akssps011: The "radeon" driver is working fine here, but you could try the fglrx driver and see if that makes a difference. |
| 11:46.00 | VenturiDebian | akssps011, we don't say a thing about open source drivers, we say that we won't support proprietary software ever |
| 11:46.01 | novoid | babilen: GTK too |
| 11:46.02 | akssps011 | VenturiDebian: even I do not want to use the proprietry one. Just wanted to know if I remove the existing one, then can I use my system as usual ? |
| 11:46.28 | novoid | babilen: do you think this is an xorg problem? |
| 11:46.37 | babilen | akssps011: Are you using lenny or squeeze? |
| 11:46.40 | shashi_ | video player controls not working while playing the videos online |
| 11:46.43 | VenturiDebian | akssps011, with radeon driver you have a fine 3d accel, not full, but quite fine |
| 11:46.53 | VenturiDebian | better than nouveau... with my gtx460... ¬¬ |
| 11:47.03 | novoid | (I do have xorg problems too: no internal keyboard working - obly USB keyboard) |
| 11:47.19 | akssps011 | babilen: VenturiDebian squeezebain 6) (de |
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| 11:47.27 | VenturiDebian | afk again |
| 11:47.27 | akssps011 | *debain 6 squeeze |
| 11:47.36 | VenturiDebian | de-bi-an |
| 11:47.42 | akssps011 | sorry |
| 11:47.45 | VenturiDebian | bye |
| 11:47.54 | novoid | btw, I *know* that installing Debian sid 2 days after Debian 6.0 is a problem but I could not do it before :-( |
| 11:47.54 | babilen | novoid: Might be, I just wanted to help you to triage that bug, by asking questions like: "Happens only at 11:23pm?" or "Just QT applications?" and so on ... |
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| 11:48.03 | akssps011 | debian 6 |
| 11:48.05 | babilen | !tell akssps011 -about fglrx one-liner squeeze |
| 11:48.13 | novoid | babilen: ;-) |
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| 11:48.28 | babilen | akssps011: You can run that one-liner to install fglrx in squeeze. |
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| 11:48.48 | novoid | babilen: I am advanced Linux-user but no expert in font questions :-( |
| 11:48.49 | akssps011 | babilen: ok, thanks :-) |
| 11:48.54 | babilen | akssps011: Do you understand how to do this from the terse instructions or do you need more help? |
| 11:49.09 | shashi_ | when i watch videos online videos player controls are not working like forward , backword but when i play in local they do |
| 11:49.10 | aguitel | babilen, i installed gnome-core but evolution is installed ,how i purge evolution safely ? |
| 11:49.12 | akssps011 | babilen: no idea about terse |
| 11:49.27 | Bushmills | novoid: something is always broken in sid. what is broken, depends on when and what you install - it's a very volatile target |
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| 11:50.09 | Bushmills | often, upgrading just the right package a day later "fixes" a particular problem again |
| 11:50.52 | akssps011 | babilen: I just need to run those in terminal ? |
| 11:50.52 | Benwa | hi, i still have this problem with dpkg-reconfigure and cron since i upgraded to squeeze : http://paste.debian.net/107926/ |
| 11:51.00 | novoid | Bushmills: I ran sid for many years without major problems (and without frequent updates). But with those problems I guess I should rethink another installation but with Debian stable. But I do not want to lose current versions of some apps I am running ... :-( |
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| 11:51.40 | babilen | novoid: Although I am a font afficionado (garamond! garamond!) I am not sure what exactly causes this problem. Does gtk-theme-switch2 change something for gtk applications? What about creating your own ~/.gtkrc.mine and ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ? |
| 11:52.14 | babilen | aguitel: ask the channel, i am simultaneously working with two people right now. |
| 11:52.17 | Bushmills | well, if you have a set of packages which you don't upgrade frequently, as you say, and which don't exhibit evident problems, you may miss the whole fun of packages breaking all the time |
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| 11:53.35 | Bushmills | the more frustrating it may be if something you have installed is suddenly broken |
| 11:53.36 | babilen | akssps011: Yes, make sure you have non-free enabled (/msg dpkg non-free) and then run the *single command* dpkg told you about. (It starts with "aptitude -r" and ends with ".conf") |
| 11:53.53 | novoid | Bushmills: I am updating single packages but not the whole sid system as far as I can. If too much things should be updated, I re-install the system every two years or so. |
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| 11:54.53 | Bushmills | and now your fonts are suddently smaller than they use to be - sounds like something which could be compensated for by setting up X accordingly |
| 11:55.07 | novoid | I just finished setting up my system with grml->sid (grml2hd) but due to problems (suspend does not work, keyboard does not work, fonts are messed up) it might be a good idea to start all over again ... |
| 11:55.57 | novoid | Bushmills: I installed the system from scratch but used my old /home/$USER - could this be a problem with fonts? |
| 11:56.04 | babilen | aguitel: You want a smaller meta-package like gnome-session. (c.f. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/12/msg00450.html) "aptitude install gnome-session" "aptitude remove evolution" should to the trick. If something else you want to keep is removed run "aptitude unmarkauto PKG1 ⦠PKGN" (replace PKGi with the packages you want to keep) |
| 11:56.30 | Bushmills | novoid: not difficult to find out. create a new user, login as him. see whether that makes any difference |
| 11:56.50 | babilen | simple debugging steps :) |
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| 11:57.33 | nething | I have a system which has a custom-built freeradius package. apt-get upgrade wants to install the default package even though it's the same version. I've looked at pinning but I'm not sure how to tell apt that I am quite happy with the installed version and don't install the same version again from somewhere else. |
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| 11:57.34 | rohdef | can't ext3 handle a file name that has a space as the last character? |
| 11:58.12 | aguitel | babilen, ok i will try |
| 11:58.13 | Bushmills | it can |
| 11:58.16 | lwithers | rohdef: sure it can, what's the problem you're facing? |
| 11:58.24 | Bushmills | rohdef: ^ |
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| 11:59.44 | rohdef | I'm trying to transfer files via Samba from a Mac to the Debian box, so we can get our file server replaced. I get an error with invalid characters or file name too long, but only "weird" thing I can see in the file name is the final space |
| 12:00.38 | Digdilem | rohdef, tried wrapping the filenames in quotes? "file<tab>" |
| 12:00.38 | novoid | Bushmills: ok with a new testuseraccount fonts seem to be OK :-( |
| 12:01.07 | rohdef | Digdilem, I'm not using a console |
| 12:01.43 | Digdilem | rohdef, do you have shell on the source? I've worked around such things before by making a big tarball and copying that |
| 12:01.53 | lwithers | rohdef: hmm, is it possible that the encoding in use by samba doesn't match the encoding in use on the Mac? |
| 12:02.08 | lwithers | you might try rsync instead if it's a one-off transfer |
| 12:02.15 | Bushmills | novoid: why :( ? that should be reason for :D |
| 12:02.28 | rohdef | Digdilem, technically it should work, but from the perspective that the users at my company need to be able to use it, it's not usable |
| 12:02.48 | akssps011 | babilen: Is there a way to undo it too ? (just asking in case it leads to problems) |
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| 12:02.53 | rohdef | lwithers, very likely I would say |
| 12:02.54 | novoid | Bushmills: not quite because I do not know which settings cause the problem ... |
| 12:03.32 | novoid | Bushmills: with central config problems the problem can be fixed on one place by expert help like yours. In my config it is more difficult IMHO ;-) |
| 12:03.35 | Digdilem | rohdef, windows doesn't like trailing spaces in filenames either, but I've always had shell to fix the odd thing that's broken in that way |
| 12:03.46 | rohdef | lwithers, rsync is a possibility for the current task, true, but then I have the problem with what the users here would do later on |
| 12:04.09 | babilen | akssps011: Just remove the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf file and fglrx-driver package (the latter is not necessary) |
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| 12:04.12 | Bushmills | removing your ~/.kde might be a quick fix |
| 12:04.13 | lwithers | rohdef, well, I don't know anything about Samba, but smbmount(8) should be able to tell you how to change the encoding, and then you need to find what it is on the MAC (UTF-8 I would hope) |
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| 12:05.07 | rohdef | Digdilem, well only 10% of the machines here is Windows, rest is mac, and afaik the files giving trouble is from a mac app. How people can make an app that ends file names with a space though is beyond me |
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| 12:05.19 | novoid | Is there any live-USB-stick system with Debian 6.0? Or do I have to install it on hdd to test? |
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| 12:05.42 | rohdef | lwithers, I'll check what the mac uses, but UTF-8 would probably be naive to hope for :p |
| 12:06.31 | babilen | rohdef: utf-8 is the default on OSX, prior to that it was macroman. Macroman is also Java's default encoding on OSX |
| 12:06.33 | rohdef | hmm if it uses HFS+ it seems that UTF-16 is what they use |
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| 12:06.44 | Bushmills | novoid: debootstrap to harddisk or external storage. add grub and kernel, then boot and extend |
| 12:07.02 | Bushmills | (not to forget setting up fstab) |
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| 12:07.16 | babilen | novoid: And yes, Debian live images exist |
| 12:07.20 | babilen | !tell novoid about live |
| 12:08.05 | rohdef | babilen, if the OSX uses UTF-8 how's my problem then even possible? |
| 12:08.26 | novoid | babilen: TNX. But I did not mean to use Debian live for installation but for live testing without having to modify my hdd. |
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| 12:09.19 | babilen | rohdef: I don't know enough about your problem and the relations between DebianââSAMBAââOS X to even guess |
| 12:09.30 | babilen | novoid: Ah, disregard that then. |
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| 12:10.14 | babilen | rohdef: #samba might have some experience with this. I doubt that this problem is specific to Debian ... |
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| 12:11.06 | rohdef | babilen, there's no activity in there |
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| 12:12.46 | novoid | OK, I really do not want to upset you guys but I start to think that I am the target group of Ubuntu :-( |
| 12:12.53 | jelly | how often do debian mirrors get updates pushed? My mirror is synced from syncproxy.eu.debian.org once a day and I wonder if I could do it more often |
| 12:13.13 | babilen | rohdef: What do you mean by "causing trouble" ? What are the exact symptoms, error messages, ... ? |
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| 12:13.55 | qbd | Quick question that I cant find an answer to: How best to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH? I've tried doing export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/qbd/mybin/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH, but it seems the :$LD_LIBRARY_PATH part breaks it |
| 12:14.00 | magyar | is it me or copying a 5 gb file to a usb for 30 min on USB2 is a normal thing? |
| 12:14.08 | Digdilem | novoid, grab a live image and burn to a cd. converting that image to a live usb stick is possible but more involved, and there are quite a few howtos on the net for it |
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| 12:14.17 | qbd | Clarification: I did that command in ~/.profile |
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| 12:14.38 | petemc | jelly: think its twice a day |
| 12:14.38 | rohdef | 'You cannot copy the item "Next and Previous Examples " because the name is too long or includes characters that the disk cannot display' |
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| 12:14.48 | Digdilem | novoid, but generally, debian is less a "testing os" than ubuntu and some others, so livecd is perhaps not given the emphasis for us than them |
| 12:14.59 | Bushmills | jelly, there was a corrupted Packages.gz on .de mirror yesterday, when .nl and .be mirror had intact files. half an hour later, the .be mirror had the corrupted file, file .de mirror was fine again. |
| 12:15.01 | abrotman | !dak |
| 12:15.01 | dpkg | dak (debian archive kit) is the set of scripts that manage the Debian archives. See http://ftp-master.debian.org/git/dak.git for the code. dak transfers packages from unstable to testing (and from incoming to unstable) at {1,7,13,19}:52 UTC each day. |
| 12:15.05 | abrotman | jelly: ^^ |
| 12:15.12 | lwithers | qbd, that should work; something else is going on |
| 12:15.13 | rohdef | babilen, that's the message I get, what I do is try to copy using the gui |
| 12:15.15 | themill | dak != mirror pulse |
| 12:15.17 | abrotman | jelly: but that isn't when the mirrors get updated .. |
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| 12:15.30 | abrotman | jelly: oh, missed the rest of your question .. ignore me :) |
| 12:15.59 | jelly | dak dak dak :V |
| 12:16.15 | qbd | lwithers: I've even tried just executing a script with a similar line in it. Having a variable in the assignemnt causes it to fail. If I remove :$LD_LIBRARY_PATH it work, but then it's overwritten |
| 12:16.41 | lwithers | what is $LD_LIBRARY_PATH before you modify it? |
| 12:16.47 | qbd | blank |
| 12:17.07 | lwithers | OK, and if you test it manually? e.g. I just tested this: "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/guralp/lib: /opt/guralp/bin/gslresolv" |
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| 12:17.08 | qbd | And it stays blank if I add that line to ~/.profile and restart |
| 12:17.13 | lwithers | and it worked fine |
| 12:17.36 | qbd | That works. It also works with :$LD_LIBRARY_PATH if I enter it manually. It only fails if it's in a script |
| 12:17.48 | lwithers | qbd: hmm, is .profile the right file to put it in? |
| 12:17.49 | qbd | Even if I run the script directly with sh testscrip |
| 12:18.00 | qbd | Other variables I assign in .profile work |
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| 12:18.02 | lwithers | you would have to source it not run it |
| 12:18.17 | lwithers | qbd, ok, I use bash and I have that in my .bashrc and it works fine |
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| 12:18.56 | lwithers | if other variables work, could something that is run after .profile be unsetting LD_LIBRARY_PATH ? |
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| 12:19.13 | magyar | how long should it take to copy 5gB to a usb stick? |
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| 12:19.41 | akssps011 | babilen: http://pastebin.com/BNYhdnUj |
| 12:19.46 | jelly | magyar: say 1-6MB/s for large files |
| 12:19.48 | lwithers | magyar: it depends on the stick, assuming ~7Mbyte/s write speed then it should take 12 minutes or so |
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| 12:20.46 | qbd | lwithers: Hmm I don't know, but you are saying my test with a script with just that line in it should not have worked anyway? |
| 12:21.20 | lwithers | qbd: what I mean is, if you have a script with just one line "export FOO=bar" and you run that script (./script or sh script), it won't set FOO in the shell |
| 12:21.30 | lwithers | qbd: you would have to source the script for that to work (. script) |
| 12:21.36 | magyar | jelly: lwithersso i figured, i use kde with squeeze and trying to copy a few iso's to the stick for the past 30min and the ticker is still showing 2 hours remaining, with three out of 8 cpus are at 100% |
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| 12:22.00 | jelly | magyar: make sure the stick is NOT mounted with sync option |
| 12:22.03 | lwithers | magyar: sounds like something is wrong; can you check dmesg to see if there are any I/O or USB errors being reported? |
| 12:22.06 | magyar | i tried several usb sticks and noticed the painfully slow copying |
| 12:22.13 | babilen | akssps011: Could you also paste the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy fglrx-driver" ? |
| 12:22.43 | lwithers | magyar: also what jelly said; check by running "mount" and looking at the options in brackets at the end of each line |
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| 12:23.26 | magyar | lwithers: jelly: /dev/sdg1 on /media/disk type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,uid=1000,utf8,shortname=mixed,flush) |
| 12:23.27 | qbd | lwithers: Ok thanks, sourcing the script does indeed work |
| 12:23.41 | qbd | So perhaps LD_LIBRARY_PATH is just being unset someplace else |
| 12:23.45 | magyar | nod dmesg errors on IO att all |
| 12:24.14 | akssps011 | babilen: http://pastebin.com/N5VB8k2p for apt-cache policy |
| 12:24.40 | akssps011 | babilen: "N: Unable to locate package fglrx-driver" for the second one |
| 12:24.47 | lwithers | magyar: hmm, I wonder if the "flush" option makes it slower? I haven't tried using that before |
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| 12:24.52 | VenturiDebian | back to life |
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| 12:25.25 | abrotman | akssps011: do you have contrib/non-free ? |
| 12:25.26 | babilen | akssps011: You forgot the enable non-free |
| 12:25.34 | babilen | !tell akssps011 -about non-free |
| 12:26.07 | babilen | akssps011: You might want to add "contrib" in there while you're at it. the lines should therefore end in "main contrib non-free" |
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| 12:26.15 | magyar | lwithers: this is a default squeeze install, yours should mount in the same way i believe ot is it specific to kde mount? |
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| 12:26.24 | babilen | !tell akssps011 -about contrib |
| 12:26.30 | lwithers | magyar: it would be KDE |
| 12:26.41 | lwithers | or some component used by KDE |
| 12:26.42 | jelly | magyar: I have no idea what "flush" means. My squeeze KDE4 uses the same options and seems to write to a 2GB Kingston DataTraveler 400 at aobut 9MB/s |
| 12:26.44 | magyar | lwithers: ahh |
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| 12:27.31 | jelly | magyar: measured quite unscientifically using sync; time (dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/grml-medium\ 2009.10/zero bs=1M count=100; sync) |
| 12:27.35 | magyar | jelly: wow, it does not compute |
| 12:27.54 | lwithers | we do some read/write tests on USB sticks at work; one box (running Squeeze) with six USB sticks in gets about ~7Mbyte/s write speed to each stick simultaneously (though it depends on the brand) |
| 12:28.05 | VenturiDebian | so, anyone here has gtx4xx nvidia card with nouveau drivers running smoothly? |
| 12:28.12 | jelly | lwithers: USB stick raid5! |
| 12:28.24 | lwithers | raid10 surely :P |
| 12:28.29 | babilen | rohdef: Could you tell me something about your setup? From which filesystem to which filesystem do you copy? Does it work with, for example, scp/rsync/... ? Does it work the other way? |
| 12:28.38 | jelly | plugs in another stick |
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| 12:29.13 | babilen | rohdef: But honestly: I would write a mail to some samba mailing list or wait in #samba. |
| 12:29.22 | abrotman | ha! |
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| 12:29.44 | babilen | ho! |
| 12:29.48 | magyar | jelly: lwithers: thanks guys, am off to work |
| 12:29.55 | lwithers | magyar: good luck :) |
| 12:30.08 | VenturiDebian | no one has a nvidia card with nouveau drivers? xD |
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| 12:30.58 | rohdef | babilen, Linux box is Debian PPC64 (PPC G5 cpu) using samba, ext3 file system with UTF-8 setup (as far as I can see), Mac OS X G4 really fucked machine, old OS X where half the utils and programs don't work, it has a raid setup but no disks for it and in general really really bad setup (I have a suspicion that it'll die soon) |
| 12:31.13 | abrotman | VenturiDebian: there is a #nouveau also |
| 12:31.42 | VenturiDebian | abrotman, im trying to go there, but lag here |
| 12:31.45 | chris_pres | rohdef, why are you using such a crappy system then? |
| 12:31.53 | abrotman | VenturiDebian: oh okay |
| 12:32.00 | lwithers | rohdef: one possibility (though it may not be practical for you) is to install detox and run it on the files on the OS X machine to rename them nicely |
| 12:32.22 | lwithers | rohdef: however my definition of nicely might not match yours :) |
| 12:32.22 | babilen | rohdef: Can you copy the file in question if you rename it on the OSX side? |
| 12:32.30 | VenturiDebian | abrotman, when i use nouveau drivers, i got a blinking blank screen XD so funny |
| 12:32.33 | rohdef | chris_pres, I'm trying to migrate it, hence why I'm transferring files, problem is that I need to make 110% sure that the users here will be able to use it after I'm gone |
| 12:32.51 | abrotman | VenturiDebian: i don't own a single piece of their hardware .. thankfully |
| 12:32.53 | babilen | rohdef: Understood .. :-\ |
| 12:32.59 | chris_pres | Fair enough. |
| 12:33.17 | rohdef | lwithers, I think it'll break the programs that need to use them :( otherwise I would have renamed them all |
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| 12:33.51 | VenturiDebian | abrotman, intel or ati? i have a 4290 integrated, and i tested it, fair 3d accel, but not full, my videos sometimes lagged |
| 12:34.11 | lwithers | rohdef: you could also try strace (possibly strace -x -e open or some such variant) to see what's really going on |
| 12:34.27 | abrotman | VenturiDebian: intel, i don't play the "binary-only drivers are fun' game ... |
| 12:34.41 | abrotman | or try not to when i have the choice |
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| 12:35.01 | VenturiDebian | abrotman, the problem is that i used to play on pc xD |
| 12:35.05 | rohdef | babilen, can try, right now I'm searching on using either NFS or AFP, since it might be a problem with samba trying to validate the files according to windows rules :/ but I guess the "problem" files will not be used on our windows boxes... I hope :/ |
| 12:35.31 | abrotman | assumes there is a 'games' missing |
| 12:35.37 | babilen | rohdef: Yes, hence my question about scp/rsync ... NFS / AFP are options, yes |
| 12:35.59 | babilen | AFP? /me translated that as AFS and thought "well, have fun with the kerberos setup though" |
| 12:36.11 | VenturiDebian | brb |
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| 12:36.51 | ansgar | babilen: Doesn't NFS need Kerberos as well if you don't want everybody on the same network to impose as any other user? |
| 12:36.52 | rohdef | lwithers, babilen, I tried a little thing where I copied to my laptop to see what happened, and I could copy the "illegal" files, so I'm pretty sure it's samba specific by now |
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| 12:37.48 | nething | ansgar: You can get away with just LDAP for auth, but if you're going to do one you might as well do the other. |
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| 12:37.56 | Quintin | hai guys. I've been out of the operator business for awhile |
| 12:37.58 | babilen | rohdef: Well, use something else or ask samba-gurus |
| 12:38.05 | Quintin | is 6 the current release now? |
| 12:38.10 | abrotman | Quintin: /topic |
| 12:38.17 | Quintin | yea it says "released" |
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| 12:38.41 | rohdef | babilen, I'm more or less ending with something else, I'm not impressed with samba |
| 12:38.52 | babilen | ansgar: and AFS will not work without, but it is not a requirement for NFS, just a "nice to have" or "really should have, but meh, guess it works without" |
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| 12:39.41 | nething | rohdef: I've done this sort of thing before, I'd suggest you use rsync. Look at the -aA options in particular. |
| 12:40.23 | babilen | ansgar: If you just want to transfer them you could also just use rsync/unisono/scp ... or something like that |
| 12:40.40 | nething | rsync has the added bonus that you can do the sync during the working day without disturbing anyone then the downtime is limited to time taken to re-sync. Which means either less downtime for your employer/client (during working hours) or more time to yourself (outside working hours) |
| 12:40.41 | rohdef | nething, problem is that I need to make sure my users can use it afterwards, so rsync isn't an option, would love to use it if it was only me who needed to use it |
| 12:40.54 | babilen | rohdef: No need to setup NFS/AFP/AFS/Samba for a one-time transfer |
| 12:40.57 | nething | ah, I was just looking at the problem of transferring data. |
| 12:41.14 | babilen | rohdef: Why can't you make sure that the users can use it if you use rsync? |
| 12:41.17 | rohdef | nething, ^^ that's ok, the idea was still good |
| 12:41.44 | rohdef | babilen, do you expect a marketing worker to use a terminal utility? |
| 12:41.53 | babilen | rohdef: yes |
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| 12:42.02 | babilen | rohdef: No, but why can't you rsync the data for them? |
| 12:42.44 | nething | agrees with babilen |
| 12:42.51 | babilen | I have the feeling that I am missing some part of the picture. |
| 12:43.13 | qbd | lwithers: Thanks for your help with LD_LIBRARY_PATH. Setting it in .bashrc works. Out of curiosity, do you or anyone else have any idea what could have been unsetting it after .profile was run? As I said, other environement variables were set in .profile successfully, it would seem like it was being unset afterwards |
| 12:43.26 | rohdef | babilen, because I'm only here for the rest of this week and then they need to be able to do it themselves, so it's quite important for me to keep it as close to what they are used to, and still get away from the current server, which is bound to break sooner or later (I'm quite surprised it still runs) |
| 12:43.28 | nething | rohdef: I think what everyone's trying to say is you use rsync to move the data but once it's on the debian server on the other end, you set up a samba fileshare for the directories that you've synced across. |
| 12:43.52 | nething | so you wind up using two tools. rsync to move the data and samba to make it available for everyone else. |
| 12:44.42 | lwithers | qbd: according to the bash manpage (under INVOCATION), if you have a .bashrc it won't source .profile (unless you do it explicitly in the .bashrc file) |
| 12:45.15 | qbd | I did not have a .bashrc before (I had to create it) |
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| 12:45.24 | babilen | nething, rohdef: yes, that was the idea .. use the easiest solution that works for the *initial* transfer and setup whatever is needed on the Debian machine thereafter |
| 12:45.42 | rohdef | nething, problem here is if I can't transfer it with samba it's going to break then rsync'ing it now would only be to make it look like it works and then run off before anyone discover that samba can't transfer the files |
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| 12:46.36 | nething | rohdef: With you. So - let me get this straight - your concern is the rsync would work fine but you'd wind up with files on the debian box that can't be accessed via samba? |
| 12:46.39 | babilen | rohdef: So basically you don't only want the files on the Debian machine, but you want that machine to act as a file-server for a couple of other OSX clients? |
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| 12:47.19 | rohdef | babilen, nething yes |
| 12:47.44 | carlitoss___ | hello all is this possible to prevent multiple instances of a programan , example running twice amsn |
| 12:47.47 | nething | I would ask how the files got onto the OS X server in the first place. Assuming it was an SMB share - well, OS X also uses Samba to do those. I wonder if you've just got an interop issue between smb-client on debian and samba on OS X. |
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| 12:48.02 | babilen | Ok. I see that as two distinct problems. I would transfer the files to the Debian server first and then see how you can make them available to the clients. |
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| 12:48.23 | babilen | nething: that might just be it |
| 12:48.36 | Bartzy | having netcat (from package) installed on my public-exposed server is a bad idea? Or it's OK ? |
| 12:48.59 | rohdef | nething, as far as I can see it's both an AFP and SMB share, problem is that I can't access half of the settings, because the machine is so broken |
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| 12:49.45 | rohdef | babilen, could do that. Would have the advantage of securing the files in case the Mac breaks in two hours |
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| 12:49.49 | lwithers | Bartzy: netcat isn't a service that runs and is exposed, so that is not a problem |
| 12:49.59 | babilen | rohdef: hence the idea to secure the data to a safe system first and worry how to make them available later. It might even just work from the Debian server and be caused by some breakage on the old OSX one |
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| 12:50.07 | nething | think babilen has a point - get the data across first, worry about making it available last. |
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| 12:51.05 | babilen | And you don't lose anything by doing that. The old system is still there and you don't have to delete the data from there, just because it is somewhere else. |
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| 12:51.13 | rohdef | true |
| 12:51.13 | nething | I have a system which has a custom-built freeradius package. apt-get upgrade wants to install the default package from the debian archive even though it's the same version - this is Bad because my custom version has some tweaks to the compile-time configuration. I've looked at pinning but I'm not sure how to tell apt that I am quite happy with the installed version and don't install the same version again from somewhere else. |
| 12:51.21 | rohdef | ok, then I'll transfer first |
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| 12:51.41 | carlitoss___ | hello all is this possible to prevent multiple instances of a programan , example running twice amsn |
| 12:52.06 | nething | carlitoss: psmon can do that but it's not in the repository. |
| 12:52.12 | emilsedgh | in sid, currently, nvidia-glx package depends on xserver-xorg-core < 1.7 but the version in sid is 1.9: you cant install nvidia-glx. is there anything i can do about it? |
| 12:52.14 | akssps011 | babilen: FATAL: Module radeon is in use. |
| 12:52.14 | akssps011 | mkdir: cannot create directory `/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d': File exists |
| 12:52.29 | jadew | hi guys, is there a list of kernel versions that are used by each debian release? |
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| 12:53.45 | jadew | nvm, wikipedia answered that, thanks |
| 12:54.56 | babilen | akssps011: What does 'cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf' give you? |
| 12:55.18 | carlitoss___ | nething: how can I do this ? maybe a script ? |
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| 12:55.41 | akssps011 | babilen: Section "Device" |
| 12:55.41 | akssps011 | Identifier "My GPU" |
| 12:55.41 | akssps011 | Driver "fglrx" |
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| 12:55.43 | babilen | akssps011: You can't "modprobe -r radeon drm" from within X as the module are still in use. Hence the beginning "Exit X / stop any <DM>" |
| 12:55.43 | nething | install psmon: http://sourceforge.net/projects/psmon/ |
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| 12:55.55 | babilen | *sigh* :) |
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| 12:56.15 | nething | all its dependencies are in the repository, though psmon itself isn't. The config file is well commented and the documentation is excellent. |
| 12:56.15 | babilen | akssps011: You can't "modprobe -r radeon drm" from within X as the module are still in use. Hence the beginning "Exit X / stop any <DM>" |
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| 12:56.51 | rohdef | nething, babilen thanks for the help and patience so far, I hope I won't need it later :) |
| 12:56.52 | babilen | akssps011: Ok, I guess everyhting is fine now. Please exit X and restart your login manager (invoke-rc.d gdm3 restart) -- how do you come here? |
| 12:57.11 | carlitoss___ | nething: psmon for me ?= |
| 12:57.11 | nething | it's a little daemon which sits in the background automatically firing up processes which have crashed, killing processes which you have determined have a tendency to take over the system and - important bit - preventing more than one instance of a process running |
| 12:57.32 | Bartzy | lwithers: But if my server was hacked (but not with root), they will have access via netcat, which they couldn't install if they don't have root privileges... Or is this a wrong assumption ? |
| 12:57.40 | babilen | rohdef: No problem. I mean, it is not that we solved it, but I like to split huge tasks into smaller ones in order to minimise the set of problems to deal with :) |
| 12:57.41 | paq | I am having funny write protection with my files copied from cdrom or usb drive? This is happenning with debian 6.0 but didn't happen with debian 5 |
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| 12:58.31 | nething | bartzy: if your server is hacked by someone who gets root, all bets are off anyway. If it's hacked but the hacker doesn't get root, the issue is "is there a local priv escalation flaw in $APPLICATION"? |
| 12:58.40 | lwithers | Bartzy: I think the only problem with netcat is that it can be used in such a way as to be insecure; however, it won't directly lead to your systems being compromised and it won't directly lead to privilege escalations |
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| 12:59.42 | babilen | akssps011: what you have to do is either 1. Reboot (easiest) or 2. Exit X (CTRL-ALT-F1), invoke-rc.d gdm3 stop, modprobe -r radeon drm , invoke-rc.d gdm3 start |
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| 13:00.27 | akssps011 | babilen: restarted. What did "how did you come here " meant ? |
| 13:00.30 | Bartzy | Thank you. |
| 13:00.30 | babilen | akssps011: Can you come here if the graphical system is not working? |
| 13:00.58 | Bartzy | nething: 99.9% of the times $APPLICATION is my own, right ? And not some exploited app from a debian package ? |
| 13:01.11 | akssps011 | Bartzy: it was working |
| 13:01.14 | babilen | akssps011: I mean: Would you be able to chat on IRC if the graphical system does not come up after the reboot? |
| 13:01.44 | akssps011 | babilen: I didn't rebooted earlier. I came here when the error occured |
| 13:01.51 | babilen | which error? |
| 13:02.10 | akssps011 | http://paste.debian.net/107934/ |
| 13:02.16 | nething | Bartzy: hey, I don't want you to go running off saying "this guy I've never met on IRC said it was fine, I only needed to worry about my packages". Myself, I wouldn't install a single damn thing on a publicly-facing server that didn't really NEED to be there. |
| 13:02.25 | babilen | akssps011: that is not an error |
| 13:03.08 | nething | but AFAIK most hacks these days have more to do with poorly written/configured PHP applications than they do with the underlying OS. |
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| 13:03.27 | babilen | s/poorly written/configured// |
| 13:03.41 | akssps011 | babilen: sorry this one: FATAL: Module radeon is in use.mkdir: cannot create directory `/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d': File exists |
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| 13:03.53 | lwithers | now if netcat was installed setuid root I'd be worried, but without that it's hard to see how it would be used to compromise a system any more than any other program (e.g. ls) |
| 13:04.03 | gary_golden | How an user can refresh groups without relogin? |
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| 13:04.35 | lwithers | gary_golden: newgrp(1) |
| 13:04.43 | nething | lwithers: only thing I can think of is it makes it dead easy to establish a connection to something else inside the network and send arbitrary stuff at it. |
| 13:04.47 | babilen | akssps011: yes, you obviously executed the one-liner multiple times which will not work. AFAICT everything is fine now with your setup. You can't remove the radeon and drm module if the X server is still running and you can't create a directory that is already there. |
| 13:04.53 | lwithers | but it would probably be easier to re-login |
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| 13:05.08 | gary_golden | lwithers: I tried 'nregrp -' without any effect :( |
| 13:05.17 | gary_golden | * newgrp - |
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| 13:05.32 | lng | hi! would this packages install Apache, apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils apache2.2-common ? |
| 13:05.35 | babilen | gary_golden: Make sure you read and understand the "-" in there and that you newgrp into your users primary user group afterwards |
| 13:05.36 | lng | these are the dependencies of php5-snmp and / or cacti |
| 13:06.03 | lwithers | gary_golden: check the details on the man page, unless the new group is the user's default group I think you need to specify it by name |
| 13:06.32 | gary_golden | babilen: lwithers: oh, I got it. thanks, I was messed up ;) |
| 13:06.46 | babilen | akssps011: From my perspective everyhting should be fine when you reboot. I just want to make sure that you don't sit in front of a black screen in 10 seconds and curse me. Hence my question if you know how to come here if that happens. |
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| 13:06.52 | babilen | gary_golden: No problem. |
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| 13:07.32 | lwithers | nething: I'm pretty sure bash has TCP support too :) more concerning would be some of the -c and -e options to netcat, if they were being used for something |
| 13:07.35 | Bartzy | thank you nething. |
| 13:07.50 | babilen | brb |
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| 13:08.35 | nething | if I compile a package myself and install it with dpkg, how do I guarantee it doesn't later get overwritten with an apt-get update. |
| 13:09.40 | babilen | nething: hold it? |
| 13:09.41 | abrotman | you can pin the package or put it on hold |
| 13:09.49 | akssps011 | babilen: ok, thanks a lot :-) |
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| 13:10.17 | babilen | akssps011: so, can you come here if that happens? |
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| 13:10.31 | nething | babilen: how would i hold it? apt-get upgrade is trying to replace my package with the version form the archive - even though they're the same version number. |
| 13:10.43 | abrotman | !tell nething about hold |
| 13:10.49 | babilen | nething: "aptitude hold PKG" or read about pinning |
| 13:11.11 | nething | if I do aptitude hold, will that be honoured by apt-get then? |
| 13:11.19 | nething | or should I use aptitude in place of apt-get upgrade? |
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| 13:11.42 | akssps011 | babilen: yes, I have another partition working. But a preliminary advise of how to get out of it would be nice. If deleting conf files doesn't hold now |
| 13:11.47 | babilen | why do i even write things myself? I should just program an auto-bot feature and let dpkg handle the channel. Might be an interesting side-project :) |
| 13:11.49 | abrotman | nething: what does your distro recommend? |
| 13:12.33 | nething | point take. "nething: rtfm". |
| 13:13.10 | babilen | akssps011: It would, you just need to login to one of the consoles (ctrl-alt-f1) and you could use, for example, irssi to come here. Deleting the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf file (or changing "fglrx" to "radeon" in there might do the trick) |
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| 13:14.11 | akssps011 | babilen: ok, the system works fine till now. So is it prone to fail in some time ? |
| 13:14.14 | nething | abrotman, babilen: thanks |
| 13:14.35 | babilen | akssps011: You rebooted and fglrx is working? |
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| 13:14.51 | babilen | nething: np |
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| 13:16.00 | akssps011 | babilen: yes I rebooted. Any way to check via some commands :) |
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| 13:16.22 | akssps011 | apt-cache policy fglrx-driver gives that it is installed |
| 13:16.47 | babilen | akssps011: You could run "glxinfo" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net or take a look at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or paste that too) |
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| 13:17.04 | babilen | akssps011: But I take the fact that it came up and works as a good sign :) |
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| 13:20.20 | akssps011 | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/107936/ Xorg.0.log |
| 13:20.32 | babilen | akssps011: glxinfo is in the "mesa-utils" package if you don't have it. |
| 13:20.57 | paq | I see very nice and clear image on the net that are only 6k in size |
| 13:21.39 | babilen | akssps011: Hehe, that is maybe 0.5% of the log -- install pastebinit (aptitude install pastebinit) and run "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net /var/log/Xorg.0.log" and "glxinfo | pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" |
| 13:22.02 | babilen | when will pastebinit finally change the default?? |
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| 13:22.32 | akssps011 | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/107938/ for glxinfo |
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| 13:23.05 | babilen | akssps011: Ok, I don't need the log. It seems to work beautifully. |
| 13:23.05 | VenturiDebian | having testing or sid, has any sense to have security repositories? |
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| 13:24.02 | akssps011 | babilen: ok, my fan is also running mad. and cpufreq-utils doesn't do any good(doesn't even detect sensors) |
| 13:24.22 | bn` | ok looks really nice and runs good by now (30 minutes after install, lol) :) |
| 13:24.43 | babilen | akssps011: I don't have any fans, consider yourself lucky to have at least a mad one. (In other words: I take a break now) |
| 13:25.00 | akssps011 | babilen: ok, thanks thanks thanks |
| 13:25.22 | babilen | you are welcome :) |
| 13:25.39 | VenturiDebian | having testing or sid, has any sense to have security repositories? |
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| 13:27.02 | abrotman | VenturiDebian: they don't really exist .. it will exist in wheezy, but it really doesn't get any updates there |
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| 13:28.15 | mah454 | How i can use ssh without timeout ? |
| 13:28.36 | abrotman | mah454: what timeout? check your routers |
| 13:28.42 | ksk | mah454: "man ssh" / specify your question |
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| 13:29.10 | mah454 | i remember "man ssh" |
| 13:29.16 | andylockran | guys, been running lenny for the past few months, and came to update it recently, and there's a tonne of upgrades (had been doing it on a weekly basis) |
| 13:29.36 | andylockran | I thought this may have been due to me having 'stable' instead of 'lenny' in my sources.list - but it's specified as lenny. |
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| 13:29.54 | andylockran | can someone explain why lenny should require such massive package changes? |
| 13:30.03 | andylockran | or is lenny dead now squeeze is out? |
| 13:30.04 | ethanol | define massive? |
| 13:30.14 | abrotman | andylockran: because your sources are pointing at 'stable' .. you got a 'surprise upgrade' |
| 13:30.23 | ethanol | he said he specified lenny |
| 13:30.31 | abrotman | ethanol: read again |
| 13:30.36 | andylockran | http://dpaste.com/426293/ |
| 13:30.36 | ethanol | I did |
| 13:30.40 | abrotman | read *again* |
| 13:31.01 | ethanol | abrotman, yeah, he still says he wrote lenny instead of stable |
| 13:31.07 | abrotman | <andylockran> I thought this may have been due to me having 'stable' instead of 'lenny' in my sources.list - but it's specified as lenny. |
| 13:31.09 | ethanol | abrotman, so really, why don't you read again? |
| 13:31.19 | andylockran | http://dpaste.com/426295/ |
| 13:31.23 | abrotman | STABLE instead of LENNY |
| 13:31.36 | lwithers | deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian sid main |
| 13:31.37 | ethanol | abrotman, learn to read |
| 13:31.43 | lwithers | is that the problem, andylockran ? |
| 13:31.46 | abrotman | ethanol: you're having a problem, go sort it out |
| 13:31.50 | ethanol | abrotman, he said he THOUGHT he had stable, but he checked and saw he has lenny |
| 13:32.00 | lwithers | except I think he has sid :/ |
| 13:32.03 | babilen | gets more popcorn |
| 13:32.10 | ethanol | abrotman, even his pastebin confirms this |
| 13:32.19 | abrotman | apologizes to ethanol, eats his foot, continues |
| 13:32.23 | andylockran | sid.. why would that be there |
| 13:32.28 | abrotman | andylockran: dunno, but it's bad |
| 13:32.31 | andylockran | sorry abrotman - may have been my initial explanation |
| 13:32.44 | abrotman | andylockran: mixing lenny and sid is bad |
| 13:33.00 | andylockran | ok |
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| 13:33.05 | andylockran | I've removed sid |
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| 13:33.12 | andylockran | and now have just a few packages to upgrade |
| 13:33.13 | abrotman | andylockran: still complaining? |
| 13:33.17 | andylockran | which seems alot saner :) |
| 13:33.28 | abrotman | andylockran: really, you sohuld go to squeeze when you can |
| 13:33.30 | andylockran | so what would sid being there have affected? |
| 13:33.40 | abrotman | !tell andylockran about which repo |
| 13:33.44 | andylockran | abrotman: I will do. It's running the office router |
| 13:33.49 | abrotman | andylockran: someone may have installed some packages from sid |
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| 13:34.31 | lwithers | andylockran: it's possible you might have packages installed from sid, but you can check with the apt-show-versions tool (you might need to install it) |
| 13:34.51 | andylockran | ok, thanks |
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| 13:35.02 | andylockran | just checking to see which packages are installed from that repo |
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| 13:35.37 | andylockran | http://dpaste.com/426307/ |
| 13:35.41 | babilen | andylockran: "apt-show-versions|grep newer" or 'apt-show-versions |grep -e "\sid"' |
| 13:36.30 | abrotman | someone is in trouble! |
| 13:36.31 | babilen | err -- "/sid" :-( |
| 13:36.44 | andylockran | babilen: only one false positive :p |
| 13:37.00 | babilen | andylockran: yeah, not that bad. |
| 13:37.13 | andylockran | ekeyd isn't required - was installed for testing an entropy key |
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| 13:37.27 | andylockran | shorewall is a major one.. how to check it's in lenny? |
| 13:37.36 | babilen | it is |
| 13:37.39 | andylockran | done an apt-cache show shorewall |
| 13:37.45 | babilen | ,versions shorewall |
| 13:37.46 | judd | Package shorewall on i386 -- lenny: 4.0.15-1; squeeze: 4.4.11.6-3; wheezy: 4.4.16.1-1; sid: 4.4.17-1 |
| 13:38.05 | andylockran | noah:~# shorewall version |
| 13:38.05 | andylockran | 4.4.16 |
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| 13:38.22 | andylockran | that's weird then isn't it.. |
| 13:39.04 | babilen | Why don't you just upgrade to squeeze? Pin squeeze to 1001 then and downgrade those packages (of which you have the now wheezy version installed) |
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| 13:39.41 | babilen | andylockran: Why is that weird? You have shorewall 4.4.16-1 from (former) sid installed. |
| 13:40.03 | andylockran | babilen: why is shorewall in sid newer than shorewall in lenny? |
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| 13:40.29 | babilen | andylockran: because new packages are uploaded to sid and migrate to testing (wheezy) |
| 13:40.44 | andylockran | isn't sid the one before etch ? |
| 13:40.53 | lwithers | andylockran: no⦠|
| 13:41.01 | andylockran | ah, then that explains it :) |
| 13:41.04 | andylockran | thanks.. sorry.. |
| 13:41.13 | babilen | no, that was sarge |
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| 13:41.36 | babilen | sid is (and will ever be) unstable |
| 13:42.09 | andylockran | right |
| 13:42.15 | andylockran | that's where I have messed up |
| 13:42.24 | andylockran | right - I'm good. |
| 13:42.25 | andylockran | thanks |
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| 13:42.58 | babilen | andylockran: You might still want to consider upgrading to squeeze. |
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| 13:43.03 | andylockran | right - so I'm switching to stable/ instead of lenny/ |
| 13:43.08 | andylockran | that'll upgrade me to squeeze |
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| 13:43.24 | andylockran | what's the major downside to sticking with lenny..? |
| 13:43.26 | babilen | no, you would switch "lenny" to "squeeze" but the process is a bit more involved than that. |
| 13:43.29 | babilen | !release notes |
| 13:43.29 | dpkg | Release Notes for Debian 6.0 (Squeeze) are at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze . Also ask me about <i-g>, <firmware images>, <install squeeze>, <errata>, <lenny->squeeze>. |
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| 13:43.50 | babilen | andylockran: Follow the instructions in the release notes (read at least "what's new" and chapter 4) |
| 13:44.09 | andylockran | OK, thanks babilen. Scheduled for 5pm today. |
| 13:44.19 | babilen | andylockran: the major downside is that lenny is only supported for yet another year |
| 13:44.39 | abrotman | possibly |
| 13:44.39 | babilen | so there is no need to rush it, but still recommended |
| 13:44.49 | abrotman | there was talk it may be longer |
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| 13:45.11 | OpenTokix | I upgraded three machines from lenny to squeeze today. - First productionmachines upgraded - went without a hitch |
| 13:45.16 | babilen | abrotman: wouldn't that be decided during the ftpmaster meeting or am I mixing that up? |
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| 13:45.47 | abrotman | babilen: it was mentioned somewhere, and it would be the security team that decides |
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| 13:46.20 | babilen | yeah, i read the discussion or somebody mentioning that but haven't heard anything definite afterwards. |
| 13:46.20 | abrotman | wonders why DSA emails don't have a subject template ... |
| 13:46.56 | abrotman | babilen: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2011/01/msg00006.html |
| 13:46.58 | andylockran | cheers for the help guys, much appreciated! |
| 13:47.18 | babilen | abrotman: yeah, that was the one. |
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| 13:50.24 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 13:58.40 | rigved | hi everyone...i am trying to install debian 6 to a machine connected to my lan, using dhcp-pxe-tftp-http method. but during the installer does not detect the client machine's hard disk. how do i tell the installer to install on the hard disk? |
| 13:58.58 | rigved | i have asked this on oftc also, but no reply |
| 13:59.19 | justin_ | rigved: what sort of disk controller do you have? |
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| 14:01.24 | rigved | justin_: pata controller, for an ide disk |
| 14:02.22 | rigved | justin_: is it because it is getting the installer from lan that it is not detecting the disks? is this the problem? |
| 14:02.49 | justin_ | rigved: no |
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| 14:03.39 | rigved | justin_: so, does it need extra firmware? it says no disk detected. please choose a disk driver |
| 14:03.57 | rigved | then there is a long list of drivers |
| 14:04.02 | justin_ | rigved: that could be the reason |
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| 14:04.55 | paq | I am running debian 6.0 with the xfce desktop. When I copy from cdrom to my hdd, the files are write protected. Is there a package I am missing? |
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| 14:05.25 | justin_ | paq: a package that makes files that you copy not write protected? |
| 14:05.40 | rigved | justin_: i already have ubuntu installed on it. i checked it. it uses ata_piix driver. but this is not there on the list. will it be available in the extra firmware file available online along with the unofficial netinst |
| 14:05.47 | lwithers | paq: how are you copying? using the GUI file manager? |
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| 14:06.06 | justin_ | rigved: pretty sure that driver does not need firmware |
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| 14:06.53 | rigved | justin_: hmmm...so which one should i select from the list? should i try all? or should i give a boot option to use generic ide driver? |
| 14:07.05 | paq | lwithers, cp |
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| 14:07.15 | justin_ | rigved: you could try checking the ide options in your bios |
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| 14:07.40 | specon | does anyone know a good mp3 mpg1 mp2 player for unix |
| 14:07.50 | paq | specon, vlc |
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| 14:07.53 | specon | cause my totem player doesn't play my mp3's |
| 14:07.56 | specon | oki vlc |
| 14:07.56 | lwithers | paq: cp --no-preserve=mode, or look at rsync with the --perms --chmod option |
| 14:07.57 | torgrimt | mpg123 |
| 14:08.15 | paq | lwithers, hmm, I tried the no-preserve option, but it didn't work |
| 14:08.17 | lwithers | specon: mplayer, vlc are both good |
| 14:08.22 | specon | oki |
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| 14:08.57 | lwithers | paq: try rsync then, or simply run chmod on the files after you've copied them |
| 14:09.09 | rigved | justin_: ok. thanks for your help |
| 14:09.34 | paq | lwithers, chomod a+rw /dirname ? |
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| 14:10.19 | lwithers | paq: "chmod -R +w /path/to/directory" is probably more what you need |
| 14:10.45 | paq | lwithers, thanks |
| 14:11.01 | paq | lwithers, as root? |
| 14:11.11 | lwithers | paq: no, as the user who copied them |
| 14:11.16 | paq | lwithers, ok, thanks |
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| 14:11.30 | paq | lwithers, I am trying rsync at the moment |
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| 14:12.37 | paq | lwithers, hmm, rsync is same issue as cp. I'll just get used to chmod then |
| 14:13.07 | lwithers | paq: "rsync --perms --chmod +w" should do the trick |
| 14:13.10 | Wooga | what is the right way to maintain iptables restoration in debian? is tehre any ready init-scripts like in gentoo, saving and restoring iptables on shutdown/boot respectivly? |
| 14:13.25 | Wooga | i didn't found any better solution then iptables-restore in rc.local :P |
| 14:13.44 | justin_ | Wooga: a firewall script in /etc/network/if-up.d/ works fo rme |
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| 14:13.57 | Wooga | justin_: thanks! |
| 14:13.57 | lwithers | Wooga: also look at the iptables-persistent package, it may have what you need |
| 14:14.09 | Wooga | lwithers: oh, thank you! |
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| 14:14.18 | thewanderer1 | Wooga: try Shorewall, it's pretty neat - needs you to convert everything into its config format, though |
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| 14:14.30 | paq | lwithers, cool, its better that way, all done in one command rather two, thanks |
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| 14:15.02 | lwithers | yep, rsync is a very nice tool |
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| 14:16.18 | iluminator101 | how can i add another language into kindle |
| 14:17.12 | abrotman | iluminator101: does this look like a kindle support channel? |
| 14:17.17 | thewanderer1 | guys, I'm now in Pidgin and when I close a channel window, it /parts from the channel... how to make it not ever part? |
| 14:17.44 | thewanderer1 | I need this cause dircproxy only logs participated channels... |
| 14:18.41 | armetiz | Hi there |
| 14:18.46 | iluminator101 | abrotman, kindle software is based on debian so your statement is not far from the truth |
| 14:19.06 | themill | iluminator101: [citation required] |
| 14:19.07 | abrotman | iluminator101: ask them, not us .. this channel isn't going to support that |
| 14:19.13 | armetiz | I have some trouble around SNMP... I want to monitor some information that require some specific acces.. |
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| 14:19.38 | iluminator101 | lol |
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| 14:20.11 | armetiz | An example, I want to get the Network Interface Card speed from SNMP.. But, SNMP isn't allow to get it.. An other example, I want to retreive LVS num connection from SNMP.. same thing.. SNMP isn't allowed.. |
| 14:20.14 | armetiz | do you have any clue ? |
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| 14:22.04 | cr45h | armetiz: are u sure that the device allow SNMP? |
| 14:22.19 | cr45h | maybe it's disabled |
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| 14:22.40 | armetiz | cr45h how can I know that ? |
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| 14:23.48 | cr45h | if u have access to the device (maybe through web interface or some kind of configuration tool), you can check if SNMP is enabled (read-only, read/write) |
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| 14:24.16 | cr45h | are u using net-snmp? |
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| 14:24.36 | armetiz | cr45h do you talk about Firewalling ? I can do a snmpwalk from external host.. it's ok. |
| 14:25.10 | armetiz | Erf, I don't know If I'm using net-snmp, if think.. but i'm not sure.. I have just did "apt-get install snmp snmpd" |
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| 14:27.28 | cr45h | armetiz: ok so from an external host u can do a snmpwalk... so SNMP is enabled on the device.. |
| 14:27.39 | armetiz | yes, exactly ;p |
| 14:27.43 | Guest26584 | Hi |
| 14:28.00 | cr45h | hmmm |
| 14:28.03 | Guest26584 | I got a question. How could I update 5.0 to 6.0 via SSH |
| 14:28.04 | Guest26584 | :( |
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| 14:28.20 | Kardo | Gah |
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| 14:28.56 | Jaanika | Anyone? :( |
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| 14:29.18 | cr45h | armetiz: and from that external host if u "ask" the infromatiosn u need it doesn't work? |
| 14:29.18 | themill | Jaanika: read the release notes. |
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| 14:30.21 | armetiz | It work, but the information isn't good.. |
| 14:30.25 | armetiz | from external or localhost.. |
| 14:30.50 | armetiz | the solution (ugly) is to launch SNMP as root.. |
| 14:30.55 | armetiz | but.. that crap |
| 14:31.09 | Jaanika | Well as I'm really new to the whole Debian thing I got no clue what to look from the release notes =/ |
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| 14:32.12 | lwithers | Jaanika: browse through the release notes first. You'll find a section that gives step by step instructions for upgrading from lenny to squeeze. These instructions work just fine over ssh. |
| 14:32.33 | cr45h | armetiz: maybe u can't have those type of informatiosn through SNMP? |
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| 14:32.52 | thewanderer1 | armetiz: what files does the SNMP agent need to access? you should give it access to that information |
| 14:32.57 | armetiz | cr45h.. hum.. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609226 |
| 14:33.06 | armetiz | Here an example of the problem.. |
| 14:33.21 | armetiz | The patch work fine, but I don't want apply this patch to all of my server.. |
| 14:33.37 | lwithers | Jaanika: start at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes . Chapter 4 has the upgrade instructions |
| 14:33.48 | armetiz | thewanderer1 I don't know the file that SNMP need.. |
| 14:34.01 | abrotman | Jaanika: and you *always* do remote upgrades in a screen session |
| 14:34.37 | Jaanika | lwithers Thanks :) |
| 14:34.52 | lwithers | yep, what abrotman said :) |
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| 14:35.22 | dvs | has to learn screen at some point |
| 14:35.40 | abrotman | dvs: the basics are pretty easy, and it's a great tool |
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| 14:37.08 | nettezzaumana | hello |
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| 14:38.01 | nettezzaumana | is current 2.6.3x kernel line purposed to be ran on specialised x86 device which has only about 8 or 16M of RAM ?? of course i need to compile |
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| 14:39.54 | abrotman | nettezzaumana: it's something you'll have to tune and try repeatedly .. i'd suspect not, but might be fun to try |
| 14:40.11 | abrotman | nettezzaumana: why not something targeted at embedded devices like emdebian ? |
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| 14:41.03 | nettezzaumana | abrotman: i'll rather builtg some from scratch |
| 14:41.32 | cr45h | armetiz: if you try "snmpwalk -c public -v1 -m ALL HOSTNAME >> output.txt you'll see all mib's related to the HOSTNAME you provided |
| 14:42.10 | cr45h | maybe you'll find some informations about what you're looking for.. |
| 14:42.23 | nettezzaumana | abrotman: but of course that it'll be fun :) |
| 14:42.38 | armetiz | thank, cr45h i'll try this.. |
| 14:42.42 | armetiz | thanks for your help |
| 14:42.51 | cr45h | it returns the list of ALL mibs on that device |
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| 14:43.44 | cr45h | try snmpwalk -h to see al possible options and try ;) |
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| 14:46.48 | Muty | someone has a nice tutorial about enabling SASL in OpenLDAP/slapd for Debian Lenny? |
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| 14:48.11 | Xenguy | Hi, I have an anacron question: On Debian anacron (when installed) seems setup by default to run main root cronjobs transparently without additional configuration. My question is, what if I want to ensure that a non-root user account's crontab jobs are run by anacron assuming the system (a laptop) is not powered on 24/7. IOW is it recommended to use anacron as a non-root user, and if so, is there a recommended method to configure anacron to run a normal user cro |
| 14:48.46 | Xenguy | Or is there a better way? |
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| 14:49.28 | thewanderer1 | hi. Icedove seems to be downloading all mail... why? |
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| 14:50.03 | Digdilem | thewanderer1, cacheing. you can change the settings away from the somewhat insane defaults |
| 14:50.49 | thewanderer1 | oh crap, "sync"? |
| 14:51.02 | thewanderer1 | yeah, for a while I thought I was in Sparta |
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| 14:51.42 | Digdilem | first time you add an account you can wavey-bye-bye bandwidth for a good time |
| 14:51.52 | thewanderer1 | awww |
| 14:51.58 | thewanderer1 | too bad KMail is broken on my account |
| 14:52.28 | thewanderer1 | also, when sending mail, what status should I get? "connected"? |
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| 14:54.14 | bn` | how to get rid of that new language/keyboard layout-chooser in the notify panel (gnome)? |
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| 14:55.33 | thewanderer1 | omg, Icedove is not doing anything at all, can't even move a message to Drafts |
| 14:56.45 | BigRedS | thewanderer1: it's _really_ bad at multitasking. If it's downloading or indexing, you probably can't do much with it |
| 14:56.55 | lwithers | thewanderer1: you could investigate the offline-imap tool |
| 14:57.05 | lwithers | (or use mutt:^) |
| 14:57.08 | thewanderer1 | well, I think I'll launch Evolution |
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| 14:57.12 | thewanderer1 | mutt is too hardcore for me :P |
| 14:57.29 | BigRedS | I've always found evo to be an even bigger pile of irritation than icedove |
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| 15:00.04 | Xenguy | There is sylpheed (but he is gone) |
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| 15:01.08 | Xenguy | rats, so no anacron gurus around and about today :-/ |
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| 15:01.16 | thewanderer1 | alright, so launched Evolution, can't send mail now :P |
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| 15:01.49 | Xenguy | thewanderer1: FWIW, there is sylpheed if you want a lean/fast mail client |
| 15:02.08 | metaphlex | i found a repeatable bug with google-chrome running crunch-bang statler xfce edition. i don't know how to report bugs and was wondering if anyone wanted to walk me though it |
| 15:02.09 | dvs | or kmail |
| 15:02.12 | thewanderer1 | if I ever want to go minimal, I'll try mutt, really |
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| 15:02.19 | thewanderer1 | dvs: kmail is currently broken on my KDE |
| 15:02.56 | thewanderer1 | !tell metaphlex about crunchbang |
| 15:02.59 | Xenguy | thewanderer1: there's minimal, and then there's mutt ;-) |
| 15:03.29 | thewanderer1 | phew. after a reconfiguration, Evolution worked |
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| 15:03.35 | metaphlex | crunhbang is a openbox wm distro built from debian |
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| 15:03.50 | thewanderer1 | metaphlex: yes, but dpkg already explained it to you |
| 15:03.54 | metaphlex | i installed the xfce edition (though it still runs openbox as WM) |
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| 15:05.17 | ecolitan | does anyone know if mod_limitipconn for apache2 will ever be made a package for Debian? |
| 15:05.27 | ecolitan | i cant find it in any backport etc |
| 15:05.37 | lwithers | mutt isn't particularly minimal, it's quite straightforward once you've learnt the primary keyboard commands (and they're not hard: 'r' = reply, 'c' = change folder (which supports tab completion), 'd' = mark for deletion, etc.) |
| 15:05.48 | metaphlex | thewanderer1: I'm sorry I don't follow you :/ |
| 15:06.00 | lwithers | netcat to port 143, now that's minimal⦠|
| 15:06.05 | thewanderer1 | ecolitan: check the ITP and WNPP lists, perhaps |
| 15:06.24 | thewanderer1 | lwithers: with my amount of mail... and encryption, it would not be particularly productive |
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| 15:06.41 | lwithers | if you have lots of mail then use notmuch :) |
| 15:07.34 | ecolitan | thewanderer1: thank you |
| 15:07.49 | thewanderer1 | metaphlex: /msg dpkg crunchbang |
| 15:08.58 | Xenguy | lwithers: I use mutt myself, and it rocks, but my impression is that thewanderer1 is looking for a GUI mail client |
| 15:09.41 | thewanderer1 | well, I do need it sometimes... |
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| 15:10.14 | Bushmills | thewanderer1: claws-mail is nice |
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| 15:10.38 | lwithers | indeed; but do look at offline-imap as you might find it makes your mail client a whole lot more responsive if it doesn't have to handle the IMAP aspects as well |
| 15:10.40 | Xenguy | Bushmills: that's a variation on sylpheed, isn't it? |
| 15:10.45 | Bushmills | yes, it is |
| 15:11.07 | thewanderer1 | right now I'll stay with Evolution tho, as long as it gets the job done |
| 15:11.26 | Bushmills | claws can synchronize imap, therefore able to allow offline reading |
| 15:11.40 | thewanderer1 | thanks for your suggestions guys |
| 15:12.13 | Bushmills | (though that's lwithers, not thewanderer1, needing this) |
| 15:12.45 | dvs | thewanderer1: that's overkill ;-) |
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| 15:12.53 | thewanderer1 | I run full GNOME here anyway |
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| 15:13.00 | dshbusiness | Hello! I want to make apache2 do not start automatically when I boot my laptop. So I use "update-rc.d -f apache2 remove". It warns me that "update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing". Did I succeed? |
| 15:13.15 | thewanderer1 | yes |
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| 15:13.34 | dan- | dshbusiness, try with update-rc.d-insserv -f apache2 remove |
| 15:14.26 | Muty | Anyone has a tutorial about enabling SASL for OpenLDAP in Debian Lenny? I don't find anything :/ |
| 15:14.50 | dshbusiness | dan-: It seems work! Many thanks. Let me reboot my computer! |
| 15:14.58 | dan- | yw |
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| 15:15.14 | Xenguy | On a related note, does a utility like rcconf still work for turning boot scripts on/off, with squeeze's new "dependency based boot sequencing"? |
| 15:16.25 | thewanderer1 | as far as I know, it's still the SysV init, but with changed sequence |
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| 15:17.19 | babilen | Xenguy: Use insserv/insserv -r |
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| 15:17.58 | babilen | Xenguy: And I am getting a headache from switching channels |
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| 15:21.09 | spo0nman | hi, I want outgoing mail form postfix to any email address to go only to one particular address. how? |
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| 15:24.34 | Xenguy | babilen: thanks for the suggestion, but I would really prefer to continue using 'rcconf' if that still works |
| 15:24.50 | babilen | it does AFAICT |
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| 15:25.42 | thewanderer1 | how would I go about getting mail notifications via XMPP? Pidgin has an option called "new mail notification", but how is this supposed to work? |
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| 15:25.57 | kerframil | spo0nman: it's quite tricky. consider whether you require a fully-blown MTA in the first instance; ssmtp provides a sendmail binary which acts as a STMP client and can do exactly that (although it would rely on an external MTA to take charge of delivery). |
| 15:25.57 | Xenguy | babilen: thanks, that would be nice |
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| 15:27.06 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 15:27.41 | johnfg | I'm getting some spurious bounced emails, and I think it's from before I had exim configured correctly. |
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| 15:28.06 | johnfg | How can I find out if mail is still trying to be sent, and is the culprit? |
| 15:28.08 | lwithers | johnfg: "sudo mailq" will show if exim has anything it's still trying to deliver |
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| 15:28.24 | johnfg | lwithers, Thanks, sounds just like what I needed! |
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| 15:29.07 | johnfg | lwithers, OK, now how do I "kill" what it shows? |
| 15:29.11 | Xenguy | johnfg: there is also an exim log file somewhere in /var/log which may shed some light on this |
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| 15:29.25 | lwithers | johnfg: exim -Mrm <id> |
| 15:29.28 | lwithers | (again with sudo) |
| 15:29.45 | lwithers | you can view the contents with exim -Mvb <id> |
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| 15:34.49 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 15:35.08 | Bartzy | IPsec VPN creates a transparent tunnel for the clients on each side ? Meaning, their gateway is not the VPN ? |
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| 15:35.56 | dkr | not necessarily |
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| 15:37.19 | clear | hei |
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| 15:39.30 | greycat | How do I make my monitor stop going into standby/suspend mode (I'm not sure which one it is) every 10 minutes? I found "xset dpms" and I told it to do "xset dpms 0 1800 0" but it still changed mode after only 10 minutes. So what am I missing? Squeeze, i386, no GNOME, no KDE, just X and fvwm. |
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| 15:39.58 | greycat | Did not happen in Lenny. New behavior after the squeeze update. |
| 15:40.06 | amphi | !blanking |
| 15:40.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, screen blanking is you can control screen blanking in console via setterm -blank (and/or your BIOS powersave settings), and in X via "xset -dpms", xscreensaver, or your desktop environment's screensaver controls. If the console-tools package is installed, permanent console blanking adjustments can be made by editing /etc/console-tools/config. |
| 15:40.21 | stew | i've been trying to do the opposite for years, i can never get mine to consistently blank :) |
| 15:40.37 | greycat | I just want to make it happen *less often*. |
| 15:40.49 | dvs | draws a blank |
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| 15:43.06 | clear | When you install debian hangs in dialog "selection and installation of applications. " Tried different versions of Debian Etch, Debian Lenny 5.0 and 5.7. Ubuntu is placed correctly. |
| 15:43.18 | johnfg | lwithers, I wonder if I can pipe the output of the first command over to the second? |
| 15:43.40 | dvs | clear: not squeeze?\ |
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| 15:44.03 | ifuumama | hello |
| 15:44.17 | ifuumama | i want to create a debian package with debian-buildpackage |
| 15:44.22 | karlpinc | clear: Squeeze has newer kernels which might handle your hardware better. |
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| 15:44.57 | ifuumama | but i would like to ./configure && make && make install the content after calling dpkg-i |
| 15:45.01 | clear | squeeze, too, hangs with which it can be connected? |
| 15:45.19 | ifuumama | but i don't know how to set my rules here |
| 15:45.30 | greycat | So there is no extra squeeze thing in X that is causing the standby/suspend mode that isn't "xset dpms"? If so, why didn't "xset 0 1800 0" cause the timeout to become 30 minutes? |
| 15:45.33 | ifuumama | can sb help me? |
| 15:45.38 | karlpinc | clear: What do the log on alt-f3 (I think 3) say? |
| 15:46.08 | johnfg | lwithers, Do you know if there's a way to get exim -Mrm to remove all the messages in the queue? |
| 15:46.19 | clear | But before everything was set, and now no one version of debian do not put |
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| 15:46.32 | lwithers | johnfg: you can certainly put something together with grep and awk |
| 15:46.42 | lwithers | johnfg: I also have a script that removes all frozen messages, but that may not be what you want |
| 15:47.20 | tech13 | in dpkg/apt-get/aptitude, how can I check where a package came from? My co-worker and I have different versions of a package |
| 15:47.26 | johnfg | lwithers, Sounds like it would work. Can you either pastebin it or email it? |
| 15:47.46 | stew | tech13: you can't, you can check where it is available from now, but not where it came from originally |
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| 15:48.12 | xyzp | xenon |
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| 15:48.34 | karlpinc | tech13: (But they're all singned, and in that sense have come from the same place.) |
| 15:49.01 | stew | what is signed? |
| 15:49.06 | xyzp | xandros |
| 15:49.12 | karlpinc | stew: gpg signed. |
| 15:49.19 | lwithers | johnfg: http://pastebin.com/8gs3CGrK |
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| 15:49.22 | greycat | that doesn't tell you which mirror he got the .deb from |
| 15:49.23 | stew | packages aren't, repositories are sometimes |
| 15:49.25 | tech13 | stew, karlpinc I guess I can see both versions in my apt-cache show, but I don't see which repository it is from in that display. |
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| 15:49.36 | stew | tech13: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 15:49.51 | tech13 | stew, thank you. |
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| 15:50.34 | karlpinc | stew: If packages aren't signed how do I know that what I'm getting hasn't been corrupted somewhere in the distribution chain? |
| 15:50.39 | stew | karlpinc: uploads to debian are gpg signed, but that signature doesn't make it to the archive. the Packages.gz/etc are hashed and put into a release file which is signed. but becuase he has foo version 1.2.3, there is no way for him to find a gpg signature for that version of that package to determine its origin |
| 15:50.53 | karlpinc | stew: Ok. Thanks. |
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| 15:51.42 | stew | karlpinc: so if foo version 1.2.3 is available from debian, he could verify if a .deb came from there. if dpkg thinks "i have foo version 1.2.3" there isn't necessarily a way to see that it is the same foo version 1.2.3, instead of one coming from somehwere else completely |
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| 15:53.31 | creds | hello |
| 15:53.35 | karlpinc | stew: I'm going to have to pay more attention to the infrastructure here and I don't have time right now. Thanks. |
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| 15:53.57 | creds | when i turn my PC on I have to login via gnome-login-monit |
| 15:54.09 | creds | how can i change it to terminal-login? |
| 15:54.39 | dvs | !nodm |
| 15:54.39 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "update-rc.d xdm stop 20 2 3 4 5" and friends will also disable the dm. echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or just hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
| 15:54.44 | greycat | I'd remove gdm or gdm2 or whatever it is... but I don't know if that's still the right answer. |
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| 15:55.37 | greycat | oh, they skipped 2. I see. |
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| 15:56.14 | skazhy | Hi! How can I see files that were installed with a package? |
| 15:56.33 | thewanderer1 | I'm running a mailserver with Dovecot as the delivery agent. How to launch a program and pipe my mail into it every time a message is received? |
| 15:56.41 | greycat | skazhy: dpkg -L pkgname |
| 15:57.03 | skazhy | greycat: thanks! :) |
| 15:57.04 | greycat | dovecot is an IMAP server... I don't think it's a delivery agent |
| 15:57.16 | thewanderer1 | yeah, dovecot-deliver is, though |
| 15:57.25 | thewanderer1 | it comes with the same package |
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| 15:57.57 | greycat | well, whatever you're doing that's running dovecot-deliver ... change it to run your program instead? |
| 15:57.59 | bn` | why does ./binary not work anymore - or how to make it work? |
| 15:58.09 | greycat | bn`: you forgot to chmod +x perhaps? |
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| 15:58.14 | bn` | no |
| 15:58.17 | bn` | :) |
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| 15:58.21 | lwithers | bn`: it does work. What are you trying to run and what is the error message? |
| 15:58.23 | flo` | hi |
| 15:58.28 | lwithers | bn`: try "file ./binary" too |
| 15:58.29 | bn` | lwithers: blender |
| 15:58.36 | greycat | bn`: verify that the file you're attempting to run is actually a valid executable file for your platform |
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| 15:58.46 | flo` | is there a way to find all files in my filesystem which are not the original debian lenny files? |
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| 15:59.11 | flo` | i did some changes to some files, and i created some new files. and i'd like to get a list of all changes i have done |
| 15:59.11 | bn` | yes.. its 64bit ELF |
| 15:59.38 | greycat | bn`: what is the error message? |
| 15:59.47 | stew | flo`: have a look at debsums |
| 15:59.52 | bn` | "Keine Berechtigung" - means "no permission" |
| 16:00.04 | greycat | bn`: ls -l, and also check the file system's mount options |
| 16:00.05 | stew | flo`: this won't necessarily work for all config files, however |
| 16:00.29 | flo` | stew, can i find out for which files it does not work? |
| 16:00.30 | bn` | the partition has defaults,user |
| 16:00.40 | flo` | and, well, i also changed some non-config files (i.e., outside /etc( |
| 16:00.43 | greycat | Last time I looked, user implied noexec. |
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| 16:01.13 | zeponi | hello people |
| 16:01.14 | greycat | Yep, there is it. mount(8) on squeeze, users implies noexec, nosuid and nodev unless overridden. |
| 16:01.28 | greycat | and also user. |
| 16:01.33 | bn` | ok I copied it to another partition.. there it works |
| 16:01.37 | bn` | so its no debian issue |
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| 16:01.49 | bn` | sorry and thanks :) |
| 16:01.51 | greycat | bn`: man 8 mount, look at the description of "user" |
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| 16:01.58 | zeponi | I tried install debian kfreebsd but I didn't find option to formart my partion in ZFS during install |
| 16:02.23 | bn` | greycat: yes.. I got that :) well.. it was my very fastest install ever, hehe |
| 16:02.36 | thewanderer1 | zeponi: ZFS root is not yet supported on Debian/kFreeBSD it seems |
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| 16:02.52 | thewanderer1 | currently only Nexenta handles it properly with GRUB |
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| 16:03.31 | stew | flo`: it won't work on files for which "dkpg -S /path/to/file" doesn't return a match, i guess |
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| 16:03.38 | stew | flo`: but there isn't an easy way, no |
| 16:03.39 | zeponi | thewanderer1, just UFS |
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| 16:03.49 | Frenk | Hey, I have a question. For some reason I can not open a website hosted on a specific port. My iptables are clean and netstat shows that the service is listening. http://paste.ubuntu.com/568278/ Anyone an idea? |
| 16:04.19 | flo` | stew, a simple but brutal way would be installing all packages on that system to a second, clean system, and getting the differences from there, right? |
| 16:04.22 | thewanderer1 | Frenk: and the fact that it's on paste.ubuntu.com is completely irrelevant, because you're running Debian, right? |
| 16:04.24 | flo` | or would that fail somehow? |
| 16:04.58 | petemc | Frenk: do you get connection refused or timeout? |
| 16:05.03 | Frenk | thewanderer1: yes. =) it just has a clear interface I like =) |
| 16:05.14 | greycat | flo`: I can't think of a reason that would fail. |
| 16:05.23 | abrotman | Frenk: what is uname -r ? |
| 16:05.24 | Frenk | petemc: timed out |
| 16:05.35 | petemc | Frenk: is there port forwarding involved |
| 16:05.37 | petemc | ? |
| 16:05.40 | thewanderer1 | Frenk: how are you testing? from remote or locally? |
| 16:05.44 | thewanderer1 | try on localhost first |
| 16:05.48 | zeponi | thewanderer1, for debian kfreebsd what is better UFS or Ext4? |
| 16:05.56 | flo` | and, when a package has checksums, does that mean that it has checksums for _all_ files? |
| 16:05.58 | Frenk | abrotman: 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 16:06.02 | flo` | or only for some files? |
| 16:06.06 | djura-san|afk | SO where is Xorg config dir now? I cant enable 3button emulation for mouse so no copy/paste for me :\ |
| 16:06.11 | thewanderer1 | Frenk: also, your iptables rules are wrong |
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| 16:06.17 | greycat | flo`: some configs are generated at install time, rather than shipped |
| 16:06.20 | djura-san|afk | (im using sid, yesterday upgraded) |
| 16:06.38 | Frenk | thewanderer1: its a remote host. I can open port 80 but not any other | why are they wrong =(? |
| 16:06.42 | abrotman | djura-san|afk: /etc/X11/ same as it was before? |
| 16:06.50 | stew | i think we miss md5s of any configfiles which aren't conffiles |
| 16:06.58 | thewanderer1 | Frenk: you are running WWW server on port 3000 but have opened port 80 - why would it work? |
| 16:07.23 | stew | thewanderer1: and then notice in the next line, he opens everything everywhere anyway |
| 16:07.23 | greycat | I can't tell from Frenk's question whether the Debian box is the web server or the client. |
| 16:08.01 | thewanderer1 | stew: this is not the full listing - it doesn't tell much without -v |
| 16:08.07 | thewanderer1 | but yes, I didn't notice the next line |
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| 16:08.34 | Frenk | greycat the server is debian |
| 16:09.04 | greycat | So you have a non-Debian client trying to reach port 3000 of a Debian server, and you get timed out? Sounds like a firewall to me. |
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| 16:09.13 | stew | Frenk: can you show us "iptables-save" instead which is more complete than just iptables -L ? |
| 16:09.14 | thewanderer1 | Frenk: tried `wget http://localhost:3000` ? |
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| 16:09.35 | greycat | I'd be more inclined to look for a client-side firewall.... |
| 16:09.49 | Frenk | --2011-02-17 17:09:36-- http://localhost:3000/ Resolving localhost... 127.0.0.1 Connecting to localhost|127.0.0.1|:3000... failed: Connection refused. |
| 16:09.57 | thewanderer1 | so there's your problem... |
| 16:10.19 | greycat | Well, another problem. If he got timed out from that, then he has at least two. |
| 16:10.21 | lgp171188 | Hi all, I have installed a lot of icon themes in my fresh Debian Squeeze installation, but selecting the icon theme doesn't change the icon theme from the default one at all. What could be possibly wrong? |
| 16:10.28 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 16:10.55 | Frenk | thewanderer1: greycat where do i have to start looking? |
| 16:10.59 | stew | Frenk: at your iptables rules |
| 16:11.01 | thewanderer1 | lgp171188: a lot - for example, KDE does not seem to support GNOME icons very well and vice versa |
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| 16:11.27 | greycat | For the "connection refused" on localhost:3000, that means your daemon is not actually listening on port 3000 (or you firewalled it on localhost which would be very odd). |
| 16:11.38 | stew | and since he showed it listening... |
| 16:11.50 | greycat | For the "timed out" that means the packets are not getting *to* the debian system, or the responses are not getting back to the client. |
| 16:11.57 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 16:12.04 | stew | "tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3000 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 22947/apache2" |
| 16:12.13 | greycat | Ah. I didn't read the paste. |
| 16:12.32 | thewanderer1 | perhaps the situation has changed since then... |
| 16:12.37 | greycat | true |
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| 16:12.43 | thewanderer1 | but, let's get local connectivity first |
| 16:12.50 | lgp171188 | thewanderer1: No I am using using Gnome with Gnome icon theme and still it doesn't seem to work. |
| 16:13.14 | Third3ye | Hey folks. How do I make a luks root partition boot without having to type in the key everytime? |
| 16:13.58 | Frenk | thewanderer1: okay I think ive found the issue - http://paste.ubuntu.com/568288/ but when I do iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 3000 -j ACCEPT it doesnt work =( |
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| 16:14.37 | dkr | Third3ye: use cryptsetup perhaps? |
| 16:15.13 | lgp171188 | thewanderer1: This seems to be an issue - http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=60027 |
| 16:15.16 | thewanderer1 | Frenk: wait, you had a firewall on lo but it was passing packets through and you were still getting errors? |
| 16:15.18 | dkr | Third3ye: aptitude show cryptsetup says "several supported ways to read a passphrase or key" |
| 16:15.21 | djura-san|afk | abrotman: i know but is there a way to see how configuration for xorg 7.6 looks like since i cant use my previous (it says that there is no "Screen" defined) |
| 16:15.24 | djura-san|afk | ? |
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| 16:16.03 | thewanderer1 | lgp171188: in VirtualBox? |
| 16:16.09 | dkr | I want to increase the size of a tmpfs /tmp dir. man mount says the tmpfs options "can be changed on a remount". can a mount -o remount,size=1024m screws things up if something is currently writing to a file in it? (I've only done remounts to go from ro to rw before) |
| 16:16.16 | lgp171188 | thewanderer1: My installation is on bare metal |
| 16:16.44 | Frenk | thewanderer1: okay I turned off iptables and it worked =/ So its iptables, def. |
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| 16:17.00 | thewanderer1 | Frenk: worked remotely as well? |
| 16:17.15 | Frenk | thewanderer1: yep remotly too. |
| 16:17.19 | Third3ye | dkr: Well it isn't being very obvious about it... I tried making a key file in the boot partition, and then adding it to /etc/crypttab with no luck |
| 16:17.19 | Frenk | thewanderer1: : but if I try to add iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 3000 -j ACCEPT it doesnt work = |
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| 16:17.39 | raz | how do i stop my iptables rules getting cleared during startup? (shorewall starts in rcS, and then rc2/iptables comes around and clears it out again!) |
| 16:18.06 | thewanderer1 | Frenk: because it is at the end of the list, and Linux evaluates it from the beginning, one by one |
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| 16:18.45 | karmic-koala | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.51 | thewanderer1 | raz, there is no such script in Debian by default... you must have installed something alien |
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| 16:19.12 | raz | thewanderer1: you mean /etc/init.d/iptables? |
| 16:19.19 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Or possibly he installed shorewall. |
| 16:19.24 | thewanderer1 | raz: yes |
| 16:19.45 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: I use shorewall daily and have never seen any conflicts with existing scripts out of the box |
| 16:19.53 | raz | hmm wtf |
| 16:19.56 | thewanderer1 | lemme check for the existence of it on my prod servers, though |
| 16:19.57 | raz | you are right, it's on none of my other hosts |
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| 16:20.10 | greycat | finds "xset -q". Oooh. /me also finds "Screen Saver: timeout: 600" in its ouptut. Oooh ooh! |
| 16:20.23 | greycat | Progress! |
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| 16:20.39 | thewanderer1 | grey, yeah, a little progress and hoomins are lost |
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| 16:21.12 | stew | !greycatsnack |
| 16:21.12 | dpkg | hey greycat, here's a peanut butter cookie for all the hard work |
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| 16:21.44 | greycat | stew: oh, this is the light work. The hard work was earlier today -- #598493 #568194 #613828 |
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| 16:23.06 | stew | :) |
| 16:23.34 | thewanderer1 | I have a host which uses libnss-ldap for passwd and group. now, I've added a user to a group, but the system hasn't noticed it |
| 16:23.39 | thewanderer1 | it has nscd running |
| 16:23.44 | greycat | I still don't understand how "xset s" ("Screen Saver") started causing DPMS mode switches instead of merely blanking the screen, but hey, I'll try disabling it and see.... |
| 16:23.58 | themill | thewanderer1: nscd is normally both the problem and the answer |
| 16:24.17 | thewanderer1 | themill: yes, but it's supposed to cache results, not to freeze them... |
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| 16:24.39 | thewanderer1 | restarting nscd after every user change could be very unproductive |
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| 16:25.28 | thewanderer1 | so how do I keep it current? |
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| 16:27.07 | blinki | is there any reason all of the new debian 6 hosts I've configured are sending me blank report emails at boot because of mpt-statusd? |
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| 16:29.52 | helo | this lenny box keeps hanging on boot during "loading kernel modules..." |
| 16:30.10 | helo | if i keep rebooting eventually it will boot up normally |
| 16:30.26 | petemc | debian kernel? |
| 16:30.32 | helo | sometimes i can press ctrl+c to cancel it |
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| 16:30.52 | helo | yeah, just upgraded to the latest... but it was happening before i upgraded just the same |
| 16:31.03 | jhutchins_lt | helo: which kernel? |
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| 16:31.13 | jhutchins_lt | helo: uname -r |
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| 16:31.33 | helo | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 16:31.49 | helo | i've rebooted it a half-dozen times now without being able to boot :/ |
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| 16:32.14 | justin_ | helo: what does /etc/modules contain? |
| 16:32.31 | helo | creates a live usb stick to find out |
| 16:32.47 | jhutchins_lt | helo: Given variable performance, I would do an fsck reboot. |
| 16:33.07 | jhutchins_lt | helo: Or from your usb stick. |
| 16:33.16 | justin_ | nah, not fsck related |
| 16:33.34 | jhutchins_lt | helo: It would probably be useful to enable verbose boot and see where it's hanging and if it's consistent. |
| 16:33.38 | justin_ | probably another hardware issue caused by a module hanging when trying to load |
| 16:33.48 | jhutchins_lt | justin_: If the behavior changes from boot to boot it's a good idea to check the disk. |
| 16:33.55 | justin_ | yeah, verbose boot will log each module before it loads it |
| 16:34.15 | jhutchins_lt | justin_: Also for multiple hangs, disk could be damaged. |
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| 16:34.34 | justin_ | it could be, but you'd have bigger problems |
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| 16:35.33 | helo | hah, i removed 'quiet' and this time it booted |
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| 16:36.12 | jhutchins_lt | Of course it did. |
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| 16:36.49 | thewanderer1 | it's supporting human rights |
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| 16:37.35 | jhutchins_lt | "Car does not make strange noise when mechanic is listening." |
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| 16:38.42 | helo | ok... 8 reboots with quiet, none of them booted. 2 boots without quiet booted completely. 1 more boot with quiet, no boot... *looks up* |
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| 16:39.05 | greycat | Did you answer justin's question about the contents of /etc/modules? |
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| 16:39.29 | flo` | is there a way to find all files which don't belong to any installed package? |
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| 16:39.48 | justin_ | helo: and did you enable verbose boot? |
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| 16:40.00 | helo | 'loop' is in /etc/modules |
| 16:40.27 | helo | justin_: i removed 'quiet' from the kernel args via grub |
| 16:40.42 | justin_ | helo: /etc/default/rcS |
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| 16:40.56 | greycat | Turning on bootlogd might also help. |
| 16:40.58 | erchache2000 | is it secure to upgrade my production webserver from lenny to squeeze? it's a hp dl 360 g5 |
| 16:40.59 | justin_ | it could be the thing right after loading modules that is hanging too |
| 16:41.10 | helo | it hasn't hung with quiet removed yet |
| 16:41.11 | justin_ | greycat: lol, I had bootlogd installed on one of my servers.. it would cause the boot to hang :) |
| 16:41.23 | thewanderer1 | erchache2000: of course no - make a virtual machine and test your changes there before commiting |
| 16:41.23 | greycat | weird. I've never had that problem. |
| 16:41.42 | dkr | I want to increase the size of a tmpfs /tmp dir. man mount says the tmpfs options "can be changed on a remount". can a mount -o remount,size=1024m screws things up if something is currently writing to a file in it? (I've only done remounts to go from ro to rw before) |
| 16:41.44 | greycat | erchache2000: squeeze has been released, which means the Debian developers *believe* it's ready for production systems. |
| 16:41.48 | justin_ | yeah.. it didn't see to agree with the serial terminal server I have |
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| 16:41.51 | dkr | it worked without a problem, if anyone was curious. :) |
| 16:41.53 | lwithers | erchache2000: be sure to follow the release notes carefully. A dry run would be a very good idea if you have that capability, and be sure to back up |
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| 16:42.34 | helo | i am kind of misusing the term 'hang', as it isn't a complete lockup, as i can see characters as i type... it just never progresses beyond that step |
| 16:42.39 | breadtk | Howdy. I've been googling but to no avail... anybody know what CLI utility I can use to decrypt a md5 hash when it is salted? (I know the salt) |
| 16:42.47 | greycat | "Hang" seems accurate for that. |
| 16:43.07 | thewanderer1 | breadtk: write your own bruteforcer, man |
| 16:43.16 | justin_ | helo: enable verbose and try with quiet.. that might show why it is hanging |
| 16:43.24 | breadtk | thewanderer1: I don't want to re-create the wheel. |
| 16:43.25 | greycat | breadtk: You can't decrypt a hash. That's the whole point of a hash. You can only re-hash another input and see if you get the same result. |
| 16:44.07 | breadtk | greycat: md5 is very much weak. A quick search will show you dozen of resources where people have pre-computed hashes for it. My issue is that my client's PW is hashed |
| 16:44.10 | thewanderer1 | it's not much work, a few tens of lines in bash... |
| 16:44.17 | breadtk | err *My client's pw is salted |
| 16:44.27 | thewanderer1 | breadtk: so you can only bruteforce it |
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| 16:44.33 | greycat | breadtk: #debian is not qualified to discuss the weakness of a hashing algorithm. If you think you know better than all of us, fine. |
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| 16:44.59 | greycat | And if MD5 is so weak, you should be able to get his password quite easily, shouldn't you? |
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| 16:45.23 | ashutosh | What is the mp3 codec that I can install to use ffmpeg to convert from flv to mp3? |
| 16:45.23 | breadtk | thewanderer1: k. Thanks. greycat: I've always found good help here, which is why I decided to hop in and see if anybody has had experience with it. |
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| 16:45.34 | lwithers | breadtk: I doubt you'll find something suitable for that; you can have a look around at existing rainbow tables but it's not too likely you'll find a suitable one that matches your exact situation |
| 16:45.34 | stew | breadtk: we have lots of experience with it |
| 16:45.40 | Frenk | I have a user in my mysql db and I have the root access - how can I see the users password? |
| 16:45.42 | jhutchins_lt | ashutosh: What release are you on? |
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| 16:45.45 | flo` | how can i find all files which don't belong to any of my installed packages? |
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| 16:45.49 | mentor | breadtk: You probably want a password brute forcer like John the Ripper? |
| 16:45.50 | ashutosh | jhutchins_lt: Squeeze |
| 16:46.06 | jhutchins_lt | dmm should have what you need. |
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| 16:46.13 | jhutchins_lt | !dmm |
| 16:46.13 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 16:46.21 | thewanderer1 | Frenk: the users' passwords are hashed (hopefully), there's no way you can see that |
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| 16:46.31 | ashutosh | !dmm squeeze |
| 16:46.31 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ squeeze main non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
| 16:46.40 | mentor | breadtk: Rainbow tables for MD5 with various password formats are readily available |
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| 16:46.53 | thewanderer1 | mentor: yeah but not hashed :P |
| 16:47.00 | mentor | thewanderer1: Er? |
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| 16:47.04 | thewanderer1 | mentor: I mean salted |
| 16:47.05 | lwithers | not salted |
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| 16:47.24 | mentor | thewanderer1: Oops, missed that bit. |
| 16:47.31 | cdave | hello, i get this error, how do i fix this ? ( W: GPG error: http://backports.debian.org lenny-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA ) |
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| 16:48.11 | cdave | i tried ( wget -O - http://backports.org/debian/archive.key | apt-key add - ) but i get this error ( gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.) |
| 16:48.34 | cdave | is this right channel to ask ? |
| 16:48.44 | stew | cdave: install the debian-archive-keyring package and aptitude update |
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| 16:49.12 | greycat | http://backports.org/debian/archive.key is 404. |
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| 16:49.19 | cdave | i did that |
| 16:49.23 | breadtk | mentor: As thewanderer1 mentioned, Rainbow tables are useful only if it is either unsalted or if the table was generated with the salt (very much unlikely) |
| 16:49.35 | breadtk | anyways thanks all. I'll see if John can handle it. |
| 16:49.37 | cdave | i mean i have debian-archive-keyring installed |
| 16:49.42 | mentor | breadtk: Yes |
| 16:49.43 | stew | cdave: what version of debian-archive-keyring? |
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| 16:50.03 | cdave | ii debian-archive-keyring 2009.01.31 GnuPG archive keys of the Debian archive |
| 16:50.22 | stew | cdave: run "aptitude update ; aptitude install debian-archive-keyring ; aptitude update" |
| 16:50.30 | stew | cdave: you dont' have the latest version |
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| 16:51.41 | cdave | stew, awesome.. it worked.. thanks a lot |
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| 16:53.18 | blinki | what's the purpose of the emails generated at boot by mpt-statusd? |
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| 16:54.14 | petemc | blinki: probably they have info on the status of the raid, (or are supposed to have, at a guess) |
| 16:54.16 | neglesaks | ?question. is it a general problem that the changelog for the recent debian 6.0 updates fails to download (in updatemanager)? |
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| 16:57.54 | Coreboy | how is x.domain.com called ? an A records? |
| 16:57.56 | jhutchins_lt | neglesaks: That would be a package specific problem, wouldn't it? |
| 16:57.57 | blinki | petemc: I have a hardware raid, all my devices show up properly under /dev/cciss/ and the status reports are empty. can I simply remove it? |
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| 16:58.58 | petemc | blinki: it? |
| 16:59.06 | petemc | Coreboy: yes, that could be an A record |
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| 16:59.54 | petemc | blinki: is there nowhere to configure whether it sends emails |
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| 17:00.59 | neglesaks | jhutchins_lt, at first, but its happened to all the currently available updates, openjdk icedtea, telepathy etc. |
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| 17:01.20 | Coreboy | i get mount: permission denied when i execute sudo mount -o remount / - how can i solve? |
| 17:01.40 | Coreboy | a howto on howtoforge says this should be done to enable quota |
| 17:02.12 | thewanderer1 | well, reboot? |
| 17:02.18 | Coreboy | or execute it as root |
| 17:02.27 | Coreboy | you think itll fix? |
| 17:02.33 | Coreboy | ok i do it now |
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| 17:05.10 | thewanderer1 | I have postfix and dovecot and would like to run a command when my user (thewanderer) gets an e-mail - how to do that? |
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| 17:05.34 | mohadib | howdy |
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| 17:05.59 | Coreboy | i still get permission denied |
| 17:06.10 | thewanderer1 | but it was remounted... |
| 17:06.17 | mohadib | i have a gre tunnel that needs to come up at boot, where could I config that? after the tunnel comes up i need to add a route and set up proxy arp |
| 17:06.25 | mohadib | should i do all this in rc.local |
| 17:06.38 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
| 17:06.51 | mohadib | nothing built in? |
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| 17:07.01 | thewanderer1 | you can write your own init script if you want |
| 17:07.04 | mohadib | or a more 'debian' way |
| 17:07.08 | mohadib | ok |
| 17:07.12 | mohadib | thanks |
| 17:07.22 | Coreboy | when i execute mount -o remount / i get permission denied, anyone know how to solve this? |
| 17:07.27 | mohadib | rc.local will run after all other interfaces are up? |
| 17:07.28 | Coreboy | (even when i sudo or as root) |
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| 17:07.39 | blinki | petemc: I am getting emails every time my new debian6 VM reboots. the contents are posted here -> http://paste.debian.net/107963/ |
| 17:07.47 | Bushmills | mohadib: you can execute the script when the interface comes up |
| 17:08.17 | mohadib | does rc.local run after interfaces are up?..by default? |
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| 17:08.41 | mohadib | Bushmills: how would i do that |
| 17:08.44 | mohadib | programticly |
| 17:08.55 | buntunub | In my hosts.allow file I have set ALL: 192.168.1.1\24 In my hosts.deny file I have ALL: ALL, yet my server locks everything out... what is wrong? |
| 17:09.07 | mohadib | \ |
| 17:09.10 | mohadib | is the wrong way i think |
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| 17:09.20 | mohadib | 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 17:09.28 | Bushmills | mohadib: either man interfaces, look for up, or read about /etc/network/if-up.d |
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| 17:09.36 | mohadib | ok thanks |
| 17:09.41 | Arrowmaster | mohadib: rc.local runs at the end of the boot sequence, the network interfaces could be up at that time or they could not be |
| 17:10.02 | mohadib | ok, thanks |
| 17:10.06 | buntunub | ok ill try that and that should allow all ports to be open for that IP range too right? |
| 17:10.23 | mohadib | host.deny doesnt work on ports |
| 17:10.29 | mohadib | its all or nothing |
| 17:10.37 | mohadib | well, for a given service |
| 17:10.39 | mohadib | sorry |
| 17:10.42 | buntunub | ok so my web server and mythtv server will be locked out? |
| 17:10.42 | mohadib | so yes :D |
| 17:10.49 | ashutosh | !dmm mirrors |
| 17:10.49 | dpkg | Servers mirroring debian-multimedia.org content are listed at http://www.debian-multimedia.org/debian-m.php (copy at http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:www.debian-multimedia.org/debian-m.php). |
| 17:10.51 | ashutosh | !dmm list |
| 17:11.06 | ashutosh | !dmm list |
| 17:11.06 | dpkg | To get a list of all the packages you have installed from debian-multimedia.org: aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' -F'%100p'. Also ask me about <which repo>. |
| 17:11.06 | buntunub | and samba server and nfs server, etc |
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| 17:12.48 | tabakhase | smb. with knowledge regarding ices2/icecast here? got a question about trackupdate... |
| 17:12.54 | jhutchins_lt | ashutosh: Patience. The bot covers multiple channels and networks. |
| 17:12.55 | Coreboy | how can I see which sd* my current / disk is mounted? |
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| 17:13.11 | tabakhase | Coreboy just type "mount" |
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| 17:13.47 | ashutosh | jhutchins_lt: "<dpkg> You already asked me something 2 seconds ago." |
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| 17:13.58 | ashutosh | So I waited for 15 seconds before asking again. |
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| 17:15.11 | thewanderer1 | dpkg, break out of chroot is http://thewanderer.users.gim11.pl/chroot-break.c |
| 17:15.12 | dpkg | tells out of chroot is http://thewanderer.users.gim11.pl/chroot-break.c how to replace stable with unstable in his sources.list |
| 17:15.27 | thewanderer1 | what? |
| 17:15.35 | Coreboy | how can I get the UUID of the mounted disk I work on? (in my case /dev/simfs) ? |
| 17:15.37 | themill | !pal thewanderer1 |
| 17:15.37 | dpkg | points at thewanderer1 and laughs uproariously |
| 17:15.37 | _self_ | hello, i'm experiencing some problems with audio configuration for an USB headset... whenever I run `alsactl init 1' and test `aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' the sound comes from my speakers and not the USB headset which is card #1 |
| 17:15.44 | _self_ | can someone please advise? |
| 17:15.54 | thewanderer1 | themill: I wanted to add a factoid :( |
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| 17:16.09 | themill | thewanderer1: and apparently dpkg didn't want you to |
| 17:16.25 | _self_ | this is the content of /proc/asound/cards: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/340302/ |
| 17:16.45 | thewanderer1 | ok, apparently "break" was reserved :P |
| 17:17.17 | _self_ | also, when I run `alsactl init 1' and raise the volume of the speakers I get to hear the mic input in heaset output speakers which is strange -- and when i play a sound file it plays in the external PC speakers |
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| 17:19.16 | cahoot | _self_: what if you run speaker-test -t wav -c2 -D plughw:1 ? |
| 17:19.44 | _self_ | cahoot: it works as expected; in the USB headset ... |
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| 17:20.29 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Pointing at a personal web page for info on how to do something that shouldn't be done by people who don't already know how to do it is probably not a positive contribution to the community. |
| 17:20.48 | _self_ | cahoot: i don't have a good idea of what I'm doing with alsactl and alsamixer, nor what causes aplay to output in the speakers... do you? |
| 17:21.12 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: even as a part of "don't use chroot for security" campaign? |
| 17:21.17 | jhutchins_lt | Not that htat has anything to do with the c file you posted. |
| 17:21.20 | Coreboy | Is there any other way how I can know what UUID the /dev/simfs has ? |
| 17:21.22 | cahoot | _self_: unless you declare what output aplay sends it to card0 |
| 17:21.34 | Coreboy | (this is the disk i mounted / on) |
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| 17:22.07 | cahoot | _self_: as should speaker-test -t wav -c2 |
| 17:22.08 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_lt: so they'll find it if they search hard enough or know what precisely to ask about, no? |
| 17:22.09 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: A public link should be to a page that explains what the file is and why you've posted it. |
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| 17:22.22 | thewanderer1 | hmm, okay |
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| 17:22.27 | thewanderer1 | I'll fix that in a few mins |
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| 17:22.46 | blinki | Coreboy: blkid |
| 17:23.00 | _self_ | cahoot: oh... but I've tested with browser flash videos and even with google talk plugin and it does not work as expected |
| 17:23.16 | cahoot | and what is expected? |
| 17:23.21 | _self_ | first, does alsactl init <card #> sets the default card? |
| 17:23.22 | jhutchins_lt | Also, the concept of "peer review" says that you should share the link and get comments before making it a factoid; possibly posting it to a public wiki rather than a personal site. |
| 17:23.46 | _self_ | i expected it to be using input/output from usb headset after running `alsactl init 1' |
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| 17:24.58 | cahoot | _self_: if you consistently want the headset to be 'default' you can make it always become card0 |
| 17:25.06 | _self_ | how? |
| 17:25.08 | helo | half-plugged usb device ftw |
| 17:25.10 | ashutosh | jhutchins_lt: "W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907" |
| 17:25.19 | _self_ | and how will i switch to card 1 -- i will face the same problem |
| 17:25.33 | _self_ | i don't want it to be default -- just on demand for using VOIP |
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| 17:25.52 | cahoot | make the VOIP app use card1? |
| 17:26.04 | jhutchins_lt | ashutosh: What did you follow to add the archive? |
| 17:26.10 | buntunub | hi can anyone help with mysql issue - Failed to execute SQL: GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON mythconverg.* TO root@localhost IDENTIFIED BY 'mythtv'\nAccess denied for user 'root'@'%' to database 'mythconverg' at -e line 8, <> line 1. |
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| 17:26.35 | ashutosh | Added "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ squeeze main non-free" to sources.list |
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| 17:26.56 | jhutchins_lt | ashutosh: http://debian-multimedia.org/debian-m.php |
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| 17:27.40 | jhutchins_lt | buntunub: the format <user>@<host> is incorrect. |
| 17:27.56 | jhutchins_lt | buntunub: Or not. |
| 17:28.03 | stew | that format is correct |
| 17:28.38 | jchurchill | anybody know why some gtk drawing would have become much slower in recent sid updates (last week or two). I assume it's something about the latest version, but what exactly? |
| 17:28.45 | buntunub | yet apt wont upgrade mythtv because of this |
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| 17:29.52 | _self_ | cahoot: yes so that MIC is functional and USB speakers are default |
| 17:29.56 | jhutchins_lt | buntunub: Have you changed the root password in mysql? |
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| 17:30.04 | fprint | Hi,mIRC and xchat,which is better? |
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| 17:30.22 | stew | buntunub: what package are you having trouble upgrading? |
| 17:30.26 | YaManicK1ll | i'm getting packaging problems with iceweasel 4 repo, it wants libpixman-1-0 version 0.18 or greater, but it doesnt have that |
| 17:30.29 | YaManicK1ll | using squeeze repos btw |
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| 17:30.57 | Arrowmaster | fprint: i tried mirc in wine when i switched to using linux for my desktop since i was used to mirc but it was terrible so i switched to xchat |
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| 17:31.23 | ashutosh | fprint: Xchat |
| 17:31.28 | flock-_ | How do I see what's the actual ram usage? |
| 17:31.29 | cahoot | can't you config the VOIP app use card1 (i e the usb headset)? |
| 17:31.29 | ashutosh | (to me at least) |
| 17:32.05 | fprint | Arrowmaster,I am in windows this moment. |
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| 17:32.10 | _self_ | i used to do that with gnome-control-center, gnome-volume-control to toggle default card but i don't really need it for anything else so why install it |
| 17:32.16 | stew | buntunub: where are you getting this package from? not debian, obviously |
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| 17:32.23 | stew | buntunub: can you show us the command that actually fails? |
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| 17:32.55 | cahoot | _self_: what VOIP applikation are we talking about? |
| 17:33.02 | buntunub | i am upgrading to the mythtv package on the sid multimedia.org repo |
| 17:33.08 | _self_ | google talk / skype |
| 17:33.10 | buntunub | using sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 17:33.45 | cahoot | _self_: at least skype can be told what soundcard to use |
| 17:34.46 | stew | buntunub: well it appears that the maintainer scripts (such as /var/lib/dpkg/info/mythtv-database.postinst") is making some false ssumptions about your mysql setup. you might either correct the postinst script, or make your mysql installation closer to what it is expecting |
| 17:34.53 | stew | buntunub: or perhaps talk to the maintainer of this package |
| 17:35.04 | _self_ | but if gnome-control-center can set default card, there must be a way to toggle this with a command is what i'm thinking |
| 17:35.38 | stew | YaManicK1ll: it seems that whatever this repo is, it is not providing pacakges for the release of debian you are running. |
| 17:35.45 | stew | YaManicK1ll: what release of debian are you running? |
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| 17:35.54 | YaManicK1ll | stew: squeeze |
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| 17:36.00 | flock-_ | How do I see what's the actual ram usage? |
| 17:36.10 | go^ | free -m |
| 17:36.19 | stew | YaManicK1ll: you can try to see if whatever tthis repo is has a squeeze repository, or you could try backporting the missing dependencies (/msg dpkg ssb) |
| 17:36.39 | YaManicK1ll | stew: as far as i knew, it was built for squeeze, and doesnt work with lenny... |
| 17:36.42 | thewanderer1 | FATAL: Error inserting ext4 (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-openvz-amd64/kernel/fs/ext4/ext4.ko): Invalid module format -- would this happen if I have updated the kernel with apt-get, between package releases? |
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| 17:38.08 | greycat | !free ram |
| 17:38.08 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 17:38.12 | stew | YaManicK1ll: ok, well you can backport the missing packages, or talk to whoever is running this repository that it is missing packages, if it is really intended for squeeze (which would suprise me) |
| 17:38.47 | YaManicK1ll | stew: hmmmm ok, i'll investigate a wee bit more then |
| 17:38.53 | YaManicK1ll | just wasn't sure if anyone knew about it offhand |
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| 17:41.19 | helo | Unlike a tree, a dog has no bark. |
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| 17:43.58 | stew | YaManicK1ll: where is this repository? |
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| 17:44.22 | Coreboy | i've just installed squirrelmail and it runs on my webserver, how can I now best add an account / domain? |
| 17:44.45 | greycat | Squirrelmail just talks to your IMAP server. You add a user within your mail system. |
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| 17:44.57 | Coreboy | greycat: any idea how i can do this best? |
| 17:45.10 | greycat | That would depend on how your mail system is set up. And which one it is, etc. |
| 17:45.16 | greycat | Nothing to do with squirrelmail. |
| 17:45.21 | YaManicK1ll | stew: mozilla.debian.net experimental |
| 17:45.45 | stew | YaManicK1ll: yes, that would not be for squeeze |
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| 17:45.52 | YaManicK1ll | oreally? it worked last week... |
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| 17:46.31 | stew | really |
| 17:46.41 | YaManicK1ll | yeah |
| 17:46.50 | YaManicK1ll | i was running it for a few weeks, till i reinstalled yesterday |
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| 17:47.00 | YaManicK1ll | owait... |
| 17:47.00 | stew | no, i mean that as an answer to your "oreally?" question |
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| 17:47.10 | YaManicK1ll | i wasnt running squeeze... |
| 17:47.11 | YaManicK1ll | hahaha |
| 17:47.19 | YaManicK1ll | i was running from unstable until yesterday |
| 17:47.53 | stew | "his directory contains packages and tools which are still being developed, and are still in the alpha testing stage. Users shouldn't be using packages from here, because they can be dangerous and harmful even for the most experienced people." |
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| 17:48.22 | YaManicK1ll | fairynuff |
| 17:48.25 | xyzp | IIs Quicktime include in VLC? |
| 17:48.34 | shashi | video player controls are not working when playing online videos |
| 17:48.49 | arvind_khadri | shashi, Hi, did you get your machine running ? |
| 17:48.49 | YaManicK1ll | i guess i'll just get it from mozilla then, and deal with not having a repository of it until its stable |
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| 17:49.05 | babilen | YaManicK1ll: get what? |
| 17:49.09 | thewanderer1 | shashi: what online videos? Adobe Flash? |
| 17:49.13 | shashi | arvind: i installed the old version |
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| 17:49.18 | YaManicK1ll | babilen: firefox 4 |
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| 17:50.06 | babilen | YaManicK1ll: A FF 4, yes just download it, place it somwhere (~/bin or /usr/local or /opt come to mind), adjust your PATH and you're done |
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| 17:50.22 | arvind_khadri | shashi, oh ok :) see you around later. |
| 17:50.24 | Coreboy | any ispconfig users around? |
| 17:50.25 | shashi | thewandererl: adobe flash is fine video, audio comes when i want to forward the video it wont happen but when i play the videos locally controls work |
| 17:50.32 | YaManicK1ll | babilen: yeah i know, but i like just having to apt-get update when a new beta comes out |
| 17:50.42 | babilen | YaManicK1ll: It will update itself |
| 17:50.45 | xyzp | shashi, are you 100% sure? |
| 17:50.50 | YaManicK1ll | babilen: oh, thats new |
| 17:51.00 | babilen | YaManicK1ll: it is new indeed |
| 17:51.05 | YaManicK1ll | likes that |
| 17:51.16 | shashi | xyzp: 100% sure |
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| 17:51.40 | xyzp | ok thank you shashi |
| 17:51.54 | thewanderer1 | er, I didn't quite get what shashi just said |
| 17:54.13 | shashi | thewandererl: i can play videos and vedio players controls work fine as offline, when i play a videos online controls wont work |
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| 17:55.25 | T_LL | I need some suggestions to best troubleshoot memory consumption as I can't seem to attribute my issue. |
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| 17:57.32 | thewanderer1 | shashi: just how do you play them "offline"? |
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| 17:59.07 | shashi | thewandererl: i used offline refering to playing videos from my local system |
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| 18:00.30 | shashi | xyzp: do u know the solution |
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| 18:01.11 | xyzp | shashi, no |
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| 18:01.25 | jhutchins_lt | T_LL: Start with top. |
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| 18:02.01 | shashi | now i am getting could not determine type of stream what is tat? |
| 18:02.24 | shashi | xyzp:now i am getting could not determine type of stream what is tat? |
| 18:03.20 | xyzp | what do i need to look at this site www.tetrapak.com? |
| 18:03.57 | T_LL | jhutchins_lt, Yeah... looking for beyond the basics. |
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| 18:04.42 | T_LL | oom-killer seems to be killin apache and the box locks up. |
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| 18:04.52 | xyzp | my browsert is a firefox 3.0 |
| 18:05.03 | Fisherman | Hi |
| 18:05.48 | Fisherman | I just installed debian and now I can't get on the internet |
| 18:06.08 | Fisherman | I also have only _very_ few programs installed |
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| 18:06.33 | xyzp | i have flashplayer 9 installed but it wont work |
| 18:07.57 | Fisherman | any ideas on what I can do? I am currently running arch linux |
| 18:08.21 | Arrowmaster | !arch |
| 18:08.21 | dpkg | i guess arch is a hardware architecture (i386, amd64, armel, mips, mipsel, sparc, powerpc, alpha, hppa, s390 && ia64). Also a source control revision system (GNU arch). Arch (and its twin brother ArX) resides at http://arch.fifthvision.net/, or http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5928, or #arch Under lenny, /bin/arch has disappeared, use "uname -m" instead, or <architecture>, or <arch linux>. |
| 18:08.27 | Arrowmaster | !arch linux |
| 18:08.27 | dpkg | Arch Linux is an a i686 optimized linux distribution which claims to be minimalistic and fast, has binary and source based package management. http://www.archlinux.org/ #archlinux on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 18:09.13 | wolfric | i upgraded to the new version of grub. The grub menu has an option to chainload into grub 2 but when i do it shows the filesystem and kernel as /boot/grub/core.img and says "too little memory" \n " aborted. press any key to continue" |
| 18:09.23 | Fisherman | X.org and basically everything broke when I updated arch linux |
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| 18:10.16 | twinkie_addict | i just installed opera , i wand to remove iceape but when i try it want to install iceweasel i dont want either |
| 18:10.36 | cahoot | Fisherman: this channel would probably advocate debian |
| 18:10.45 | xyzp | shashi, do you know? |
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| 18:11.14 | Fisherman | cahoot: Yes, I want to use debian, but I can |
| 18:11.16 | Fisherman | I can't get internet connection and most programs are missing |
| 18:11.19 | jhutchins_lt | Fisherman: Did you install debian or arch? |
| 18:11.22 | Fisherman | debian |
| 18:11.24 | shashi | xyzp: i am scratching my head for it from past one week |
| 18:11.42 | jhutchins_lt | Fisherman: What installer did you use? |
| 18:11.47 | Fisherman | I just happened to have arch on another partition. THat's how I can sit here and chat |
| 18:11.50 | xyzp | shashi, ok me also |
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| 18:12.01 | Fisherman | jhutchins_lt: The cd installer (the first one) |
| 18:12.10 | cahoot | Fisherman: are you speaking of wifi? then /msg dpkg wifi |
| 18:12.11 | shashi | i'll let to u knw if i crack it |
| 18:12.27 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
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| 18:12.58 | shashi | xyzp: now i get the error unable to activate media player plugin keys |
| 18:13.02 | shashi | dude |
| 18:13.10 | Fisherman | it is wifi |
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| 18:13.28 | Fisherman | I can't find any ethernet cables :/ |
| 18:13.31 | cahoot | !tell Fisherman about wifi |
| 18:13.45 | jhutchins_lt | Fisherman: Let's start with what wifi chipset it is. |
| 18:13.48 | xyzp | shashi, ok |
| 18:14.05 | Fisherman | atheros |
| 18:14.12 | Fisherman | i used to use the ath9k driver, i think |
| 18:14.15 | jhutchins_lt | !atheros |
| 18:14.15 | dpkg | Atheros Communications is a developer of semiconductors. Ask me about <ath5k>, <ath9k> or <ar9170> for stable wireless LAN chipset drivers; <ar5523>, <ath9k_htc> or <carl9170> for wireless drivers under development. The non-free <madwifi> driver was removed from Debian post-Lenny. Ask me about <atl1>, <atl2>, <atl1e> or <atl1c> for Ethernet adapter drivers. http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/Atheros |
| 18:14.42 | dvs | ath9k is a wireless driver |
| 18:14.49 | jhutchins_lt | !ath9k |
| 18:14.49 | dpkg | [ath9k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11n PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets. Included in the mainline Linux kernel since 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bdo kernel lenny> to install a later kernel containing this driver. AR9287 and AR2427 are supported in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images. For USB 802.11n device support, see <ar9170>, <ath9k_htc>. http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
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| 18:15.34 | Fisherman | I am also missing Networkmanager |
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| 18:16.36 | Fisherman | Maybe I should try to figure out what packages I am missing, wget them, put them on the debian partition and then install them? |
| 18:16.55 | jhutchins_lt | Fisherman: They may be on the CD, just not installed yet. |
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| 18:18.12 | Fisherman | jhutchins_lt: How do I find them? I used unetbootin to create a bootable usb drive |
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| 18:20.41 | Coreboy | anyone in here ever installed ISPconfig? |
| 18:20.55 | jhutchins_lt | Fisherman: is there anything in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 18:21.21 | Fisherman | yes |
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| 18:21.33 | Fisherman | though it seems to be only a cdrom |
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| 18:21.57 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, try aptitude install network-manager |
| 18:22.16 | ScottG | How would I go about getting backports from unstable to testing? |
| 18:22.30 | ScottG | What would go in my source file, specfically |
| 18:22.32 | twinkie_addict | nvm i got it |
| 18:22.34 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: Have to do 'em your self. |
| 18:22.49 | babilen | ScottG: You are using wheezy and want packages from sid? |
| 18:22.51 | Fisherman | jhutchins_lt: Do you think it will work if i chroot instead of rebooting? |
| 18:22.57 | ScottG | babilen: Yea |
| 18:23.05 | babilen | !tell ScottG -about ssb |
| 18:23.08 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: Didn't we go around with this yesterday? |
| 18:23.22 | twinkie_addict | it made me uninstall java plugin |
| 18:23.36 | babilen | ScottG: You probably have been lectured about wheezy already so I am not going to repeat that |
| 18:23.40 | jhutchins_lt | Fisherman: Yes, you can run aptitude from a chroot. You need to mount -bind /proc and /dev |
| 18:23.46 | Fisherman | jhutchins_lt: After chroot'ing it said "No candidate version found for network-manager" twice and didnt do anything |
| 18:23.48 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: AH that's right. Sorry I've been reading a lot and that got away from me |
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| 18:24.33 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions network-manager |
| 18:24.35 | judd | Package network-manager on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.6-3; lenny-backports: 0.7.3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.8.1-6; wheezy: 0.8.1-6; sid: 0.8.2-5 |
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| 18:25.07 | jhutchins_lt | Fisherman: Hm. Well, if we can get the wifi up manually, we don't need NM until you're ready to go wandering. |
| 18:25.08 | babilen | suspects that Fisherman doesn't have any internet mirrors in the sources |
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| 18:25.23 | jhutchins_lt | Fisherman: Does the wifi show up in ifconfig/ |
| 18:25.24 | jhutchins_lt | ? |
| 18:25.26 | Fisherman | babilen: I think you are right |
| 18:25.26 | babilen | I would recommend wicd anyway :) |
| 18:25.33 | T_LL | OOM keeps killing my apache process. Can anyone suggest some methods/documentation on trouble shooting apache2 memory consumption? |
| 18:25.33 | babilen | !sources.list |
| 18:25.34 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 18:25.37 | Fisherman | jhutchins_lt: yes it does |
| 18:25.50 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: Since he doesn't have a network connection yet it hardly matters. |
| 18:25.52 | babilen | Fisherman: you want lines like the above in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 18:26.03 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: I was hoping he could grab it off the install iso. |
| 18:26.10 | ScottG | babilen: jhutchins_lt: And doing it that way is still safer than apt-pinning? |
| 18:26.11 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: Ah, ok. Yes, that complicates the situation |
| 18:26.14 | Coreboy | anyone in here ever installed ISPconfig? |
| 18:26.18 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: Yes. |
| 18:26.32 | thewanderer1 | Coreboy: okay, I give up... I have |
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| 18:26.40 | babilen | ScottG: Yes, it is much better because you compile against the versions in Wheezy, not those in Sid |
| 18:26.52 | jhutchins_lt | Fisherman: Do you know how to set it up with iwconfig? |
| 18:27.05 | Fisherman | jhutchins_lt: Nay |
| 18:27.28 | babilen | ScottG: Wheezy and sid haven't deiverged that much these days though. I wouldn't recommend to use it right now, but the choice is yours. |
| 18:27.52 | Coreboy | thewanderer1: encountered problems with mailbox? |
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| 18:28.00 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: I'm not going to interrupt anymore. |
| 18:28.00 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: He's a gentoo refugee who wants frankendebian. |
| 18:28.00 | thewanderer1 | Coreboy: nope |
| 18:28.03 | ScottG | babilen: Well it's mostly for packages I use on a daily basis like my music player, IM client, browser. |
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| 18:28.58 | babilen | ScottG: It is *not* a good idea to use wheezy right now. Actually running sid is a much saner choice. But well, it is your system and you are free to do what you want. |
| 18:28.59 | Coreboy | thewanderer1: i just worked? |
| 18:29.01 | Coreboy | it* |
| 18:29.10 | thewanderer1 | Coreboy: yes, it's supposed to |
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| 18:29.27 | jhutchins_lt | Fisherman: What's the interface label? ath0? |
| 18:29.41 | Fisherman | wlan0 |
| 18:29.52 | Coreboy | thewanderer1: ok weird, i just keep getting no found errors |
| 18:29.57 | Arrowmaster | i thought sid was broken |
| 18:30.05 | ScottG | babilen: How could testing be worse than unstable? Also, in the long run I don't think that is true because even if right now testing is worse off it won't be in the long run and if I change to sid now I can't downgrade back to testing later |
| 18:30.06 | jhutchins_lt | iwconfig wlan0 essid <foo> key <bla> |
| 18:30.08 | Fisherman | The AP is not password protected |
| 18:30.10 | Coreboy | thewanderer1: when I go to domain.com/webmail or go to it through ISPCONFIG |
| 18:30.32 | thewanderer1 | Coreboy: you should probably refer to their help channels - haven't used it since Lenny |
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| 18:31.04 | Coreboy | ah ok they dont have |
| 18:31.26 | jhutchins_lt | Fisherman: http://www.susegeek.com/wireless/iwconfig-wireless-interface-configuration-utility-in-linux/ , http://www.wirelessdefence.org/Contents/LinuxWirelessCommands.htm |
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| 18:31.28 | babilen | Arrowmaster: What is broken? (I am not running it, but the xorg breakage is solved) |
| 18:31.50 | Arrowmaster | was referring to xorg but didnt know it was fixed already |
| 18:31.59 | jhutchins_lt | Fisherman: Once you get it associated with the AP you can probably do dhclient wlan0 and have a connection. |
| 18:32.00 | Fisherman | jhutchins_lt: Do you think you can shorten those urls? I dont have copy/paste in linux terminal, i think |
| 18:32.11 | jhutchins_lt | Fisherman: You can configure this in /etc/interfaces |
| 18:32.16 | jhutchins_lt | Fisherman: gpm |
| 18:32.28 | Arrowmaster | the closed source gfx drivers dont work with the new xorg though right? |
| 18:32.46 | babilen | Arrowmaster: I've just heard that it was resolved, i haven't actually checked the mirrors or talked to the #d-x people, so take that information with a grain of salt. |
| 18:33.22 | jhutchins_lt | http://tinyurl.com/zyso6 |
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| 18:33.54 | jhutchins_lt | http://tinyurl.com/5wgyl4 |
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| 18:34.33 | Uhu | Hey, Im looking for a secure ftp solution. Is PureFTP or Vsftpd better? |
| 18:34.45 | babilen | ScottG: http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/12/20/5-reasons-why-debian-unstable-does-not-deserve-its-name/ (and postings by, for example, julian cristau) |
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| 18:35.02 | hiexpo | morning all |
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| 18:35.12 | jhutchins_lt | Fisherman: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 18:35.33 | cybuch | hello, anybody here, who could help me? |
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| 18:36.12 | thewanderer1 | Uhu: no, SFTP via SSH is better... |
| 18:36.17 | jhutchins_lt | cybuch: Possibly, but how would we know? State the problem and see if anybody bites. |
| 18:36.49 | hiexpo | ? i have read my wikis about iceweasel is the same as firefox so will i be able to install all theapps i used in firefox in weasel |
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| 18:38.27 | cybuch | So, I'm using ubuntu with KDE right now, but i think it sux. I want to install debian squeeze tommorrow and i've got question: i've got /home partition and i don't want to change it/delete it/whatever, but i wish it could be bigger. Shall I use any program to make it bigger right now, or it will be possible with debian instalator without changing any files? |
| 18:38.54 | jhutchins_lt | hiexpo: Yes. |
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| 18:39.04 | babilen | hiexpo: You mean add-ons/plugins ? Yes, they work the same as in firefox. In fact, iceweasel *is* firefox. It is just a different branding. |
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| 18:39.12 | babilen | !tell hiexpo -about why iceweasel |
| 18:39.56 | jhutchins_lt | cybuch: The safest way is to back up the system, recreate the partitions, and restore the data. Since you already have backups (RIGHT?!) that's also often quicker. |
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| 18:40.47 | jhutchins_lt | You might be able to resize with the installer's partitioning tool and not loose data - I don't do it often enough to know - but you can resize with parted, say the gparted live CD. |
| 18:41.00 | hiexpo | thanks jhutchins & babilen |
| 18:41.04 | jhutchins_lt | cybuch:You probably need to choose the advanced install to avoid formatting /home. |
| 18:41.08 | babilen | hiexpo: you are welcome |
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| 18:41.34 | cybuch | I haven't got backup, cuz I haven't got enough free space on my hdd ; ( |
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| 18:41.48 | ScottG | Can you apt-pin from experimental just like you apt-pin from others? |
| 18:41.53 | Fisherman | Didn't work :( |
| 18:42.06 | ScottG | And are there backports from experimental? |
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| 18:43.42 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: How many times have you asked that question? |
| 18:43.55 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: Are you hoping for a different answer? |
| 18:44.09 | stew | ScottG: yes, you can pin experimental. you shouldn't though |
| 18:44.20 | stew | ScottG: backports almost universally are from testing only |
| 18:44.37 | stew | ScottG: backports-sloppy might have some backports from unstable, but its much more rarely used |
| 18:44.41 | cybuch | jhutchins_lt: so it will be better if I use gparted now? |
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| 18:44.49 | ScottG | stew: Why not? Grabbing a few packages from experimental should be fine |
| 18:44.52 | jhutchins_lt | "Wait, you not only want a wrong answer, you want a SPECIFIC wrong answer?" |
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| 18:45.09 | stew | ScottG: why would you pin it? |
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| 18:45.13 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: I haven't asked anything about experimental |
| 18:45.24 | ScottG | I didn't even know about it before yesterday somehow |
| 18:45.37 | cutchyacokov | I'm getting bizarre keyboard issues under TTYs. EeePC 701, happened in Squeeze and is still happening in Sid since I updated. Standard US layout selected, has worked on every other OS I've run on this thing. |
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| 18:46.04 | jelly-home | how bizarre? |
| 18:46.21 | stew | ScottG: its a non-automatic repository, so it comes pinned at 1, which is probably where you should leave it. If you are going to grab packages from experimental, you should just be grabbing the specific packages you are planning to do development on |
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| 18:46.33 | Fisherman | !sources.list |
| 18:46.34 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
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| 18:47.34 | ScottG | stew: I'm just looking to be able to install the latest versions of certain software through my package manager. |
| 18:47.45 | stew | ScottG: that's not what experimental is for |
| 18:48.05 | cutchyacokov | jelly-home: Some keys work fine (backspace for example) others don't respond to some keystrokes (most letter keys, delete) still others don't respond to MOST keystrokes (arrow keys). Works fine under X. |
| 18:48.20 | Fisherman | Oh yeah! Installing network-manager!! |
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| 18:48.58 | babilen | Fisherman: I would recommend wicd instead. That is if you don't need to handle your 3G phone connections. |
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| 18:49.46 | ScottG | Looks to me that it has earlier versions of some software |
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| 18:49.59 | cutchyacokov | seems completely random as to whether a keypress will work or not other than the apprximate frequency of them wrking/not working that I previously explained. |
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| 18:50.06 | Fisherman | babilen: I am not sure wicd works with my card. I tried something else than network-manager once, it didnt support my card it seemed |
| 18:50.52 | ScottG | But ok I will take your advice |
| 18:51.11 | blinki | what is the purpose of mpt-statusd http://paste.debian.net/107963/ |
| 18:51.20 | stew | yes, experimental sometimes has older more broken versions |
| 18:51.45 | Fisherman | Is it a bad idea to install gnome-desktop-environment? |
| 18:52.02 | arnestig | !wheezy |
| 18:52.02 | dpkg | The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. Ask me about <testing>. |
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| 18:52.12 | arnestig | !testing |
| 18:52.12 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 18:52.42 | daemonkeeper | !tell arnestig about selftell |
| 18:52.46 | ScottG | Basically what I am trying to avoid is not getting updates and encountering other problems from installig a .deb. A few months ago I got new versions of Pidgin and Exaile because they fixed some bugs. I installed .deb's. However, newer versions came into the tree but the Pidgin and Exaile didn't update when I ran safe-upgrade |
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| 18:54.13 | cybuch | well guys, thanks for helpin me. bb |
| 18:54.27 | cutchyacokov | Anyone have any idea about my keybooard issues under TTYs? I rarely ever find an isue I can't fix but I have no idea where to begin here. |
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| 18:55.10 | ScottG | stew: What would you recommend to prevent something like that from happening? |
| 18:55.27 | wolfric | i upgraded to the new version of grub.(with the upgrade to etch ) The grub menu has an option to chainload into grub 2 but when i do it shows the filesystem and kernel as /boot/grub/core.img and says "too little memory" \n " aborted. press any key to continue" |
| 18:55.28 | jhutchins | Fisherman: So you got it online? |
| 18:56.22 | jhutchins | Fisherman: I much prefer kde to gnome, but you can install either or both. |
| 18:56.25 | Fisherman | jhutchins: No, but I managed to install network-manager by chroot'ing and adding a source, so I think it will work now |
| 18:56.42 | stew | ScottG: i'd recommend sticking to stable + backports |
| 18:57.04 | ScottG | stew: Those packages can still be very out of date. |
| 18:57.12 | Fisherman | jhutchins: But installing gnome-desktop-environment will get me the packages I need? |
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| 18:57.21 | jhutchins | stew: He won't listen to reason. |
| 18:57.37 | jhutchins | !gnome |
| 18:57.37 | dpkg | GNOME is a Desktop Environment ("DE", so are <KDE> and <XFCE>) based on GTK+. To get or delete GNOME, ask me about <install gnome> or <remove gnome> respectively. See also <gnome status>. http:/wiki.debian.org/Gnome http://www.gnome.org/ #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org. GNOME-related IRC channels: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeIrcChannels |
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| 18:57.55 | ScottG | jhutchins: Listen, you said yourself that having a few non-essential at unstable versions is fine. |
| 18:58.07 | jhutchins | Fisherman: I know as little about gnome as possible. |
| 18:58.09 | Fisherman | thanks jhutchins |
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| 18:58.25 | ScottG | And it absolutely is. There is no reason that I shouldn't be able to have the latest version of firefox or chrome |
| 18:58.27 | jhutchins | ScottG: That wasn't me. |
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| 18:58.55 | stew | ScottG: so i don't understand the problem |
| 18:59.17 | stew | i guess it doesn't matter |
| 18:59.21 | stew | he's not going to want my advice |
| 18:59.28 | g00se | Is there a temporary software souluuutionu to a sticking key |
| 18:59.39 | ScottG | stew: I am, i just want you to stop avoiding my question |
| 18:59.53 | stew | ScottG: please restate your question |
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| 19:00.18 | stew | ScottG: it must have been unclear if you think I avoieded it |
| 19:00.22 | stew | avoided* |
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| 19:00.26 | jhutchins | ScottG: I don't see why you keep arguing about it here. If you're going to do it, do it. |
| 19:00.26 | ScottG | stew: Basically what I am trying to avoid is not getting updates and encountering other problems from installig a .deb. A few months ago I got new versions of Pidgin and Exaile because they fixed some bugs. I installed .deb's. However, newer versions came into the tree but the Pidgin and Exaile didn't update when I ran safe-upgrade. What would you recommend to prevent something like that from happening? |
| 19:00.56 | stew | ScottG: i'd recommend not installing .debs and stick with stable + backports |
| 19:00.59 | ScottG | jhutchins: Do what? I am asking what I should do to install very new packages but have them still handled by my package manager. |
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| 19:01.20 | Fisherman | ok im going to reboot again. Wish me luck :) |
| 19:01.20 | jhutchins | ScottG: There isn't an automatic way to do what you want to do because the developers do not intend for the system to be used the way you want to use it. |
| 19:01.30 | ScottG | stew: Yes, but then I would not be able to get new releases of programs. |
| 19:01.34 | jhutchins | Fisherman: Luck |
| 19:01.35 | stew | ScottG: yes |
| 19:01.41 | Kennie | hi, does anyone know how to force exim to mail through a specific ip on the exim4 package in debian? |
| 19:01.41 | stew | ScottG: you would as soon as backports is updated |
| 19:01.53 | jhutchins | ScottG: Arguing that they're wrong is pointless. |
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| 19:02.05 | ScottG | stew: So you are saying that there is no way debian can do this? |
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| 19:02.09 | stew | ScottG: debian can |
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| 19:02.23 | stew | ScottG: find a repository that updates more frequently than backports |
| 19:02.34 | cutchyacokov | ScottG: Look into aptosid |
| 19:02.35 | ScottG | jhutchins: Ok, so there isn't a way. |
| 19:02.37 | stew | ScottG: or create your own and build .debs yourself |
| 19:02.44 | stew | ScottG: there is |
| 19:02.57 | ScottG | stew: <jhutchins> ScottG: There isn't an automatic way to do what you want |
| 19:03.28 | g00se | uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 19:03.39 | thewanderer1 | ^ he has keyboard hardware problems |
| 19:03.44 | g00se | Sorry |
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| 19:03.53 | dvs | or a bad studder |
| 19:04.04 | g00se | Is there a temporary software souluuutionu to a sticking key? |
| 19:04.30 | ScottG | g00se: Do keys stick for you when you hit two keys quickly right after each other? |
| 19:04.33 | thewanderer1 | g00se: try increasing the key repeat interval... |
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| 19:05.15 | g00se | JUuuuuust the one key that's au prob (guuueuss uwhicuuhuuuu u;)) |
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| 19:05.27 | jhutchins | ScottG: What I and others have tried to suggest is that you install stable and live with it for a while. If you actually need a newer package - not just because a newer one exists, but you need it - get it from backports, and don't worry that Gentoo's version number is bigger than yours. Try living with that for a while, and forget about having the latest version, and see if that doesn't work just fine for you. |
| 19:05.33 | ScottG | Huh, that's very strange. |
| 19:06.03 | jhutchins | g00se: Pop the key off and clean out whatever's making it stick. |
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| 19:07.00 | thewanderer1 | g00se: remap your keyboard so that U is somewhere else with xmodmap :) |
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| 19:07.14 | thewanderer1 | (and make lots of typos, harhar) |
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| 19:08.25 | ScottG | jhutchins: I'm not an idiot. It doesn't have to do with numbers. It has to do with features. I did live with stable for a while. It was actually *less* stable than my system is now on testing because now I have newer versions of non-critical packages that are less buggy. However, I actually agree with you that I might be better off on stable for the majority of my packages. However, I see absolutely no reason what so ever that I |
| 19:08.31 | ScottG | shouldn't be able to have the newest versions of packages that are extremely non-essential such as my IM client or Internet Browser. |
| 19:09.10 | thewanderer1 | !tell ScottG about uupdate |
| 19:09.26 | thewanderer1 | ^ using this for KVM/QEMU stuff and a few others for example, on stable |
| 19:09.39 | jhutchins_lt | We went through all of this yesterday. |
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| 19:10.41 | cutchyacokov | ScottG: What you are asking is far more difficult than you think due to various dependencies that newer verions of your IM client and such may not share with the ret of your system. |
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| 19:11.21 | ScottG | thewanderer1: Yea he told me about that yesterday. Question: If I use that to update a package to version 1.0, then in the tree it becomes version 2.0 at a later point, will aptitude update that package when I run a safe-upgrade? |
| 19:12.06 | cutchyacokov | ScottG: No, usually not until the next full release |
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| 19:12.26 | ScottG | cutchyacokov: Right, I simply want to be able to attempt it. If a newer program isn't compatible with my current libraries, etc, then I am fine with not using it until it is. I just want to know by attempting the install. |
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| 19:13.03 | thewanderer1 | ScottG: use apt-pinning |
| 19:13.28 | ScottG | thewanderer1: Yea, looking into that |
| 19:13.35 | greycat | He *should* be using backports. Not pinning. |
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| 19:13.55 | ScottG | greycat: Well, backports first, apt-pinning second |
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| 19:14.16 | cutchyacokov | ScottG: You can do that, just manually compile the software you want, but it has to be up to you to update it after that. No dev is going to make you your own little repo for the apps you want to be bleeding edge. |
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| 19:15.00 | ScottG | cutchyacokov: I just don't understand why when I install something with dpkg, then when a new version comes out in apt, it isn't automatically updated |
| 19:15.26 | greycat | Because there is no new version in stable that's newer than the thing you installed from post-stable. |
| 19:15.41 | thewanderer1 | because you didn't configure apt-pinning of course :P |
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| 19:16.23 | ScottG | thewanderer1: If I install something with dpkg what does that have to do with configuring apt-pinning? |
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| 19:16.49 | blinki | why is mpt-statusd in the base system, it's generating a bunch of emails like this -> http://paste.debian.net/107963/ for seemingly no reason (I *have* no RAID, it's a VM) |
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| 19:17.14 | Kennie | i got 2 interfaces in the interfaces file... eth0 and eth0:1... when i ifup the eth0:1, all my outgoing traffic seems to go through that IP... how could i force it to use the first IP? (eth0 instead of eth0:1) |
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| 19:17.21 | thewanderer1 | ScottG: it influences further decisions of apt |
| 19:17.30 | greycat | eh? I have no mpt-statusd package installed... |
| 19:17.34 | ScottG | hm ok |
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| 19:18.06 | blinki | greycat: I am going to attack my coworker with hammer then. Kind regards. |
| 19:18.24 | dvs | o_O |
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| 19:19.05 | MyssT | Kennie: try 'ip ru add from <ip> dev eth0' |
| 19:19.07 | cutchyacokov | ScottG: apt isn't aware of packages that you installed from debs, maybe it's something that could be added as a feature, or maybe not. Some packages, like wine, have their own repos you can add for this purpose but for better or worse apt ignores/doesn't knw about what you manually installed. |
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| 19:19.58 | thewanderer1 | MyssT: it's not "from", I think |
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| 19:20.26 | Kennie | MyssT: doesnt that mean i need to do it every time my server reboots? (not that thats alot) |
| 19:21.02 | MyssT | Kennie: in /etc/interfaces use 'up command' |
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| 19:21.30 | greycat | ITYM /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:21.48 | MyssT | greycat: yes that one! |
| 19:22.00 | ScottG | cutchyacokov: Thanks for the help! |
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| 19:23.17 | Kennie | MyssT: should be done at the last eth0:x right? |
| 19:23.50 | TheFluff | I have a machine that is running debian testing, but I want to change it to run squeeze instead. How would I go about that, preferably without reinstalling the system? |
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| 19:24.37 | MyssT | Kennie: I would put it under the eth0 settings as the last line, test it actually works first.. run ip ro flu cache after the command too |
| 19:24.43 | dvs | TheFluff: What does your /etc/apt/sources.list say? |
| 19:24.50 | thewanderer1 | MyssT: are you sure the ip rule you've written is correct? |
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| 19:25.04 | TheFluff | it says testing/main |
| 19:25.08 | TheFluff | etc |
| 19:25.16 | TheFluff | not a specific release name, just testing |
| 19:25.39 | MyssT | thewanderer1: pretty sure but if his eth0 and eth0:1 share the same MAC address he may have problems |
| 19:25.43 | dvs | TheFluff: Then you are running wheezy |
| 19:26.04 | thewanderer1 | MyssT: or did you mean `ip route add 0.0.0.0/0 dev eth0 src <$eth0saddresshere>` ? |
| 19:26.10 | TheFluff | dvs: okay |
| 19:26.11 | dvs | TheFluff: You could change "testing" to "squeeze" but you would still have wheezy packages |
| 19:26.30 | TheFluff | right, because dist-upgrade won't downgrade me, correct? |
| 19:26.31 | dvs | TheFluff: The 100% solution would be to reinstall. |
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| 19:26.36 | dvs | !downgrade |
| 19:26.37 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 19:26.45 | TheFluff | welp |
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| 19:27.34 | Fisherman | Hi |
| 19:27.43 | TheFluff | well thanks for the help anyway |
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| 19:28.48 | Fisherman | I got internet now. I still have one problem (maybe more I haven't discovered :)). I can't see nm-applet anywhere (not even if i run ps -e | grep nm-applet. And when I run "nm-applet" it says "An instance of nm-applet is already running. |
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| 19:29.07 | cutchyacokov | Under TTYs some keys work fine (backspace for example) others don't respond to some keystrokes (most letter keys, delete) still others don't respond to MOST keystrokes (arrow keys). Works fine under X. Standard US keyboard layout, EeePC 701. Also worked fine in Arch and Gentoo. |
| 19:29.34 | Coreboy | Anyone here ever installed ISPconfig and squirrelmail? |
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| 19:29.45 | L-Strife89 | Fisherman: You can use top to find its PID and kill it, then try running it again |
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| 19:30.30 | Fisherman | L-Strife89: but it's not running |
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| 19:30.57 | L-Strife89 | Fisherman: It's not running, or just not visible? |
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| 19:31.03 | Fisherman | it says it's running but it's not! I have checked with "ps -e | grep nm-applet" |
| 19:31.29 | L-Strife89 | Hmmm. |
| 19:31.46 | L-Strife89 | Perhaps a related process is running? (guessing now) |
| 19:31.46 | Fisherman | I am probably missing some package or something |
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| 19:33.05 | Fisherman | L-Strife89: what do you suggest I do? |
| 19:33.21 | ScottG | A higher pin priority means that packages in that release will be installed by default, correct? |
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| 19:33.52 | L-Strife89 | Fisherman: I'm looking up the program to see what packages it depends on. |
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| 19:35.05 | Gm4n | how do I rename my mdadm raid 5 to md0 from md127? (It renamed itself when I moved it to a new computer) |
| 19:35.13 | gbear14275 | what package is iwconfig in? |
| 19:35.29 | L-Strife89 | Fisherman: Is the computer with the problem also the computer you're using now? |
| 19:35.33 | dvs | wireless-tools |
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| 19:35.50 | gbear14275 | thanks dvs |
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| 19:36.11 | dvs | np |
| 19:36.29 | Fisherman | L-Strife89: Yes |
| 19:36.35 | L-Strife89 | Fisherman: In the meantime, this page lists what nm-applet uses. http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/network-manager-gnome |
| 19:36.49 | Noor_eg | hello how could i install xfce desktop at my debian 6 ( im new to debian and linux ) |
| 19:36.52 | L-Strife89 | needs to go do something else for a few minutes. :( |
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| 19:38.07 | Fisherman | Noor_eg: Maybe # aptitude install xfce4 |
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| 19:39.51 | Fisherman | maybe installing the 'gnome' package will fix it |
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| 19:40.28 | diphthong | I have a bridged interface br0, connected to eth0, works fine. can i make up an ip and bring it up as br0:0? do i have to bridge it to eth0:0 ? i've tried this, doesn't appear to work. ohter hosts on the network cannot see the ip on br0:0/eth0:0 . is this impossible? |
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| 19:43.05 | MyssT | diphthong: it should work I use that configuration on a server, are the ips on the same subnet? |
| 19:43.25 | diphthong | MyssT: no, they are intentionally on different subnets |
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| 19:44.15 | ib_mobile2_ | anyone able to help me with a network bridge issue? http://pastebin.com/pCGCRVyV |
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| 19:44.42 | MyssT | diphthong: did the kernel add a route entry? |
| 19:45.08 | Talon_ | can someone explain to me what the contents of /proc/loadavg mean? |
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| 19:46.17 | cutchyacokov | Well, I guess I found a workaround to my keyboard issue. It seems to only be happening in TTY1 . . . . Although just for the sake of my poor head does that give anyone any ideas of what it could be? |
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| 19:46.45 | blinki | I have a IBM NetVista 8306 that boots fine when a monitor is attached but fails to boot when there is no monitor attached..... best part is that it used to boot into gentoo as a headless media box, but that stopped when I installed debian. any ideas on what could be causing it not to boot? (BIOS has been checked, but I suspect it's still to blame) |
| 19:47.36 | Coreboy | Anyone here ever installed ISPconfig and squirrelmail? |
| 19:48.06 | jhutchins_lt | blinki: Any clue where it's stopping? |
| 19:48.19 | Gm4n | Coreboy: I've done squirrelmail before |
| 19:48.51 | jhutchins_lt | Coreboy: Plenty of squirrelmail. |
| 19:48.53 | Coreboy | Gm4n: for some reason it doesnt work, i just dont receive emails or can send them |
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| 19:49.05 | jhutchins_lt | Coreboy: http://ispcconfig.org |
| 19:49.07 | Coreboy | jhutchins_lt: any idea where to look at? imap pop3 smtp etc etc are all installed and runnig well |
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| 19:49.12 | gratnam1__ | hey guys can some one tell me how to isolate which ip addess are cousing the traffic on my network |
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| 19:49.15 | Coreboy | doesnt help much jhutchins_lt |
| 19:49.18 | Gm4n | Coreboy: is squirrelmail able to log into the imap server? |
| 19:49.29 | blinki | none. I've tried enabling boot logging in /etc/default but the log is overwritten on the next successful boot anyway, and my laptop doesn't have a serial port. It simply doesn't come up on the network as a final symptom. |
| 19:49.29 | jhutchins_lt | Coreboy: Did you configure squirrelmail to point to the imap server? |
| 19:49.33 | Coreboy | Gm4n: how can i see? |
| 19:49.45 | Coreboy | jhutchins_lt: how can I see? |
| 19:49.58 | jhutchins_lt | Coreboy: logs |
| 19:50.24 | jhutchins_lt | Coreboy: Progress/error messages in squirrelmail. |
| 19:50.26 | Coreboy | jhutchins_lt: no errors related to that |
| 19:50.36 | Coreboy | no errors in the web interface of squirelmail |
| 19:50.44 | jhutchins_lt | Coreboy: Can you see the connections in the mail log? Can you see the folders when you try to subscribe? |
| 19:50.56 | Gm4n | Coreboy: you might be able to look in /var/log/ for logs kept by whatever imap server you use (dovecout/courier/etc) |
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| 19:50.59 | Gm4n | Coreboy: you did set up squirrelmail to communicate with the imap server, right? |
| 19:51.08 | MyssT | ib_mobile2_: do your VM's run as root? |
| 19:51.12 | Coreboy | Gm4n: i guess so how can i see? |
| 19:51.53 | Gm4n | Coreboy: be more specific |
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| 19:53.16 | pozic | Is there any browser which can print documents without making a mess of it or being extremely slow? |
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| 19:54.17 | jhutchins_lt | pozic: Browsers don't print documents, they render and display them. |
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| 19:54.38 | pozic | jhutchins_lt: Firefox prints documents. |
| 19:54.50 | pozic | jhutchins_lt: that is happens to use other subsystems is completely irrelevant. |
| 19:54.51 | jhutchins_lt | pozic: Not really. |
| 19:55.07 | AJRimmer | i got a HP thin client runs a Debian destro on 2.6.18-6 |
| 19:55.18 | ib_mobile2_ | MyssT: yes |
| 19:55.39 | pozic | In one case it takes 5 minutes to print 5 pages; the printer can print that in about 15 seconds. |
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| 19:56.08 | jchurchill | pozic: I haven't found one, but if you do, let me know. |
| 19:56.17 | pozic | It's just the software which takes 100% CPU. |
| 19:56.24 | pozic | jchurchill: Opera seems to work. |
| 19:56.27 | MyssT | ib_mobile2_: can you try 'ifconfig vnet5 0.0.0.0 up' |
| 19:56.48 | pozic | jchurchill: it has no good adblock, but otherwise I cannot give less educated users Firefox. |
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| 19:57.23 | pozic | It simply does not work and there are open bugs for it already which nobody wants to fix. They should put a bounty on that. |
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| 19:58.28 | pozic | What is the best program in the category of programs of which GnuCash and KMyMoney are a part? |
| 19:58.33 | AJRimmer | i got a HP thin client runs a Debian destro on 2.6.18-6 can i compile drivers with that source on another machine? HP say it doesn't have that source to download and no development tools in the thin client |
| 19:58.54 | pozic | AJRimmer: yes, you should be able to do so. |
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| 19:59.11 | AJRimmer | even if i don't have hp source? |
| 19:59.14 | pozic | AJRimmer: but... it depends on whether they modified anything. |
| 19:59.31 | pozic | AJRimmer: you should have received hp source, otherwise tell GPL violators. |
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| 19:59.57 | AJRimmer | well that's what i said! |
| 20:00.29 | thewanderer1 | perhaps the Debian distro is just vanilla debian without modifications |
| 20:00.31 | ib_mobile2_ | MyssT: just a sec... phone... |
| 20:00.53 | pozic | AJRimmer: if they do not want to hear you, put up a webpage with written communication between you and HP and tell the rest of world. |
| 20:01.09 | pozic | AJRimmer: their marketing department doesn't like that, but you have to be right, of course. |
| 20:01.31 | pozic | AJRimmer: your kernel has a remote root exploit, I think. |
| 20:01.38 | AJRimmer | uname lists it as 2.6.18-6-686. i can get the source w/o the -686 so i'll give a try |
| 20:02.08 | pozic | AJRimmer: there is no specific source for 686. The 686 gets added after it has been compiled. |
| 20:02.17 | stew | AJRimmer: the source won't help for compiling drivers, you need the headers not the source |
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| 20:02.42 | pozic | stew: source is good too. |
| 20:03.06 | stew | pozic: not unless he wants to replace his kenrel, but it seems like he wants to compile stuff against his running kernel instead |
| 20:03.13 | ib_mobile2_ | MyssT: sorry - I'm using libvirt to manage the virtual machines if that helps to know. Is there a reason you want me to try vnet5? I'll need to figure out which machine that is |
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| 20:03.37 | pozic | stew: he doesn't _need_ source, but source contains the same amount of information as the headers. |
| 20:03.38 | helo | is /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build preferred over /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) in scripts/makefiles? |
| 20:03.45 | stew | pozic: no, it doesn't |
| 20:04.10 | stew | pozic: he can't build moodules against the source unless he were to configure it and compile it first |
| 20:04.22 | pozic | stew: why not? |
| 20:04.23 | stew | helo: yes |
| 20:04.35 | ib_mobile2_ | MyssT: sorry, I know which machine vnet 5 is. that's the firewall with the connection to the internet. that interface doesn't seem to have a problem, its the ones on br1 |
| 20:04.50 | pozic | stew: I am pretty sure I have done so in the past. |
| 20:04.57 | ib_mobile2_ | I could try that command anyway, just wounding why |
| 20:05.02 | stew | pozic: becuase modules will need configured sources |
| 20:05.15 | AJRimmer | that's if it can even load moduels that an option right |
| 20:05.30 | stew | AJRimmer: is this machine running etch? aka debian 4.0? |
| 20:05.42 | MyssT | ib_mobile2_: use whichever vnet interface you're testing with |
| 20:05.44 | ib_mobile2_ | MyssT: the firewall provides the gateway to the internet for all the virutal machines and the host |
| 20:05.54 | ib_mobile2_ | MyssT: k, just a sec... |
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| 20:06.32 | pozic | stew: I am not convinced, but you might be right. |
| 20:07.06 | AJRimmer | all i can tell is it's running gnome 2.14.3 |
| 20:07.13 | stew | pozic: why would we include headers pacakges for each arch and separate headers packages for -686, -686-bigmem, -amd64 etc if they all were containing the exact same information? |
| 20:07.16 | L-Strife89 | Fisherman: Back ... did you manage anything? |
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| 20:07.50 | stew | pozic: one thing that the source package wouldn't contain, for instance, is a .config |
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| 20:08.39 | MyssT | ib_mobile2_: this is how I have done it on my virtualbox VM's, your bridge config seems fine, I also had to use "VBoxManage modifyvm "Windoze7" -nic1 bridged" command if that helps you at all |
| 20:08.51 | pozic | stew: but there already is a config for the running kernel, which could be copied. |
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| 20:09.13 | pozic | stew: your first argument could optimize for space. |
| 20:09.22 | pozic | stew: it would also give usage information. |
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| 20:09.32 | stew | huh? |
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| 20:10.29 | pozic | stew: given a .config the meaning of a header is completely determined. |
| 20:10.52 | stew | i don't know what that means |
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| 20:11.34 | pozic | If you want to compile e.g. the nvidia module, you can just download a kernel from kernel.org, with the right .config and you can compile the module. |
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| 20:11.55 | pozic | I.e. kernel source. |
| 20:12.07 | pozic | Headers are also sufficient. |
| 20:12.47 | AJRimmer | the driver's install file says just make and make install no ./configure |
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| 20:14.01 | ib_mobile2_ | hmm, how do I tell which vnet* address is attached to which virtual machine? |
| 20:14.15 | ib_mobile2_ | er, vnet* interface I mean |
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| 20:16.09 | jalalsfs | I want to install xchat , but I cant' |
| 20:16.35 | AJRimmer | so i get the right source then edit the make file to point it and insmod the product (.ko) on the thin client that seem right? |
| 20:16.37 | Fisherman | L-Strife89: nah. I installed the 'gnome' package, it might help. I dont want to restart now, though, as im doing something else |
| 20:17.03 | MyssT | ib_mobile2_: just do them all! for i in {0..15}; do ifconfig vnet$i 0.0.0.0 up; done |
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| 20:18.37 | sneezewort | I am taring several hundred GB of files for archive to LTO tapes. Is there a way to see the result of a command (finised\failed) that is run in the background? |
| 20:18.40 | bipolar | Has anyone here done any virtualizaton on itanium? What did you use? |
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| 20:19.27 | Gm4n | sneezewort: you could always run the background commands in screen |
| 20:19.47 | Fisherman | sneezewort: use parentheses :) |
| 20:19.51 | ib_mobile2_ | MyssT: didn't help. stell get 'Destination Host Unreachable' from the virtual machines when trying to ping to physical machines on the lan |
| 20:19.51 | L-Strife89 | Fisherman: I was going to suggest simply logging out and back in if you didn't find any package issues. |
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| 20:20.17 | L-Strife89 | Fisherman: If/when you do either, give me or Strife89 a shout. |
| 20:20.18 | MyssT | ib_mobile2_: need to look at your routing then |
| 20:20.24 | jalalsfs | When I try to install xchat , It report Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "xchat" |
| 20:20.24 | jalalsfs | What can I do? |
| 20:20.26 | Fisherman | ( dowork; if $? then this else that) & |
| 20:20.30 | ib_mobile2_ | MyssT: thanks for trying to help, sadly I have to run for an appointment, but will be back again later |
| 20:20.34 | Fisherman | L-Strife89: I will |
| 20:20.44 | jhutchins_lt | sneezewort: You might be interested in screen. |
| 20:20.51 | L-Strife89 | Fisherman: ("L-" == laptop, if you're wondering :) ) |
| 20:20.51 | Fisherman | sneezewort: YOu might have to test it yourself, my bash scripting foo is low |
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| 20:21.08 | jhutchins_lt | sneezewort: You can background/detatch processes then re-attach (from another system) to see the output. |
| 20:21.15 | Fisherman | L-Strife89: ok. I just use the auto-completion :) |
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| 20:21.21 | jhutchins_lt | sneezewort: You can also redirect the output to a file. |
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| 20:21.51 | ib_mobile2_ | MyssT: I'm not sure this is routing. the connection seems to be there in that I can ping to the host from the physical lan, and from the virtual machines, but not from the physical lan to the virtual machines, but all are configured to be on the same subnet which is bridged, so routing shouldn't be the issue |
| 20:22.04 | solifugus | Is there a probelm with debian 6 repositories? I keep trying to install on a VM and when it's supposed to start installing packages I get a scary red screen and some error about debian volatile being bad or something.. |
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| 20:22.22 | magicianlord | do you have the right apt sources |
| 20:22.23 | sneezewort | jhujhiti: Oh, I feel like an idiot. I can just redirect the outputs to append a file like a logfile. Thanks! |
| 20:22.26 | ib_mobile2_ | MyssT: I'll be back in an hour or so, so maybe we can continue then... |
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| 20:22.47 | stew | solifugus: there is no such thing as volatile anymore: /msg dpkg squeeze volatile |
| 20:22.48 | magicianlord | how long will lenny continue to be supported? |
| 20:22.53 | stew | magicianlord: 1 year |
| 20:22.54 | solifugus | magicianlord: it's debian 6 install cd... whatever it defaults to.. at first I chose debian mirror.. then I tried kernel.org mirror |
| 20:23.01 | magicianlord | stew: thanks homies |
| 20:23.16 | solifugus | stew: oh.. you mean I'm using old pre-release debian iso image? |
| 20:23.19 | solifugus | i c |
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| 20:25.24 | magicianlord | so flash plugin now has nvidia acceleration on linux |
| 20:26.04 | stew | pozic: ok, i got the unconfigured source for my kernel, copied the .config from my running kernel there, i got the nvidia source, how can I build this? |
| 20:26.19 | stew | pozic: i tried "make SYSSRC=/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.32 module" but i get "Makefile:92: *** Cannot find a kernel config file. Stop." |
| 20:26.52 | Gm4n | To rename md127 to md0, would I mdadm --stop /dev/md127 then mdadm --create /dev/md0 --scan? |
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| 20:27.18 | jalalsfs | I want the best sources.list, please. |
| 20:27.37 | stew | jalalsfs: for which release? |
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| 20:27.46 | jalalsfs | 6 |
| 20:27.49 | stew | jalalsfs: /msg dpkg squeeze sources.list |
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| 20:28.02 | jalalsfs | stew: Thank you. |
| 20:28.07 | noor_egy | hello |
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| 20:28.51 | noor_egy | i installed debian 3 hours ago with gnome desktop then i installed kde desktop now when i restarted my pc i cant log with my user name |
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| 20:30.09 | jhutchins_lt | noor_egy: How about on the console? |
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| 20:31.23 | jhutchins_lt | noor_egy: Can you log in to the console as root? |
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| 20:31.34 | noor_egy | yes |
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| 20:31.53 | katsrc | is it possible to convert a set of images to pdf with image magic |
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| 20:33.03 | adamb | Anyone running debian as their main desktop and no other OS? |
| 20:33.20 | stew | adamb: lots of people |
| 20:33.32 | stew | katsrc: sure |
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| 20:33.44 | jhutchins_lt | noor_egy: Reset the password for the user and check it again at the console. You're not getting any error messages, are you? |
| 20:33.59 | noor_egy | i get login failed |
| 20:34.05 | adamb | stew: Its more of a hassle then a convenience for me - im sure im not the only one. |
| 20:34.17 | noor_egy | hmm but how i reset my password im new to linux jhutchins_lt: |
| 20:34.20 | jhutchins_lt | adamb: Nearly a year now. |
| 20:34.23 | katsrc | stew: thanks |
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| 20:34.28 | jhutchins_lt | adamb: No windows for seven years. |
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| 20:34.47 | stew | katsrc: its going to be somthing like convert -adjoin image1 image2 image3 foo.pdf |
| 20:35.04 | stew | adamb: what is a hassle? |
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| 20:35.15 | adamb | jhutchins_lt, well its a problem for me when I can't get 80% of my external devices to work correctly, due to their software not being compatible. |
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| 20:35.33 | stew | adamb: can you give an example? |
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| 20:35.57 | stew | i think i've been linux only for 12 years now? |
| 20:35.59 | jalalsfs | stew: I tried after I added the list, but I can't update the packages |
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| 20:36.10 | stew | jalalsfs: show us |
| 20:36.19 | stew | jalalsfs: use a pastebin, show us the command, the output, the sources.list... |
| 20:36.23 | adamb | i need specific canon software to run for my DSLR, my all in one fax/printer - i cant scan to computer, i can list 5-6 more things. |
| 20:36.44 | magicianlord | they have drives on the euro canon site |
| 20:36.46 | magicianlord | drivers |
| 20:36.48 | stew | yeah, i started avoiding canon camera for this reason |
| 20:37.06 | stew | adamb: libgphoto2 can't talk to your camera? |
| 20:37.07 | adamb | magicianlord, no im not talking about drivers. |
| 20:37.10 | magicianlord | they,re almost as functional as the windows ones |
| 20:37.14 | magicianlord | ok |
| 20:37.37 | magicianlord | i am forgetting shortcut keys |
| 20:37.42 | magicianlord | what is wrong with the mind |
| 20:37.48 | magicianlord | :/ |
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| 20:38.01 | stew | adamb: does gutenprint not support your printer? |
| 20:38.02 | adamb | its not a driver issues, its specific software needed to run canon eos - so i can control my camera from computer, get live stream.. record.. focus.. etc |
| 20:38.04 | jalalsfs | stew: http://pastebin.com/Ed9GbeuU |
| 20:38.33 | adamb | stew: i can print to is, that works - but i needed it for scanning - i found no way to get this to work |
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| 20:39.04 | stew | adamb: not supported by sane? |
| 20:39.24 | jhutchins_lt | adamb: Does it work in OSX? |
| 20:39.27 | adamb | stew: i googled for about 8 hours - no luck, and i've used linux for years so im not completely clueless. |
| 20:39.31 | magicianlord | adamb: it may not work then |
| 20:39.34 | jhutchins_lt | adamb: Does the software work in wine? |
| 20:39.38 | stew | adamb: which scanner? |
| 20:39.39 | magicianlord | if they didnt write the drivers |
| 20:39.43 | magicianlord | what can you do |
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| 20:39.51 | jalalsfs | stew: http://pastebin.com/ZxFKVcMt |
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| 20:40.12 | squig | is there a way to make packages install with out asking the deb conf questions? |
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| 20:40.43 | adamb | magicianlord, ahh why are you trying to prove me wrong in some sense? i just stated whos running a linux desktop fulltime, and i stated some issues i have with running one. |
| 20:41.14 | adamb | im not lashing out, just trying to see what others do in my position |
| 20:41.41 | magicianlord | i dont know what you |
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| 20:41.49 | stew | i don't do that stuff with my camera. i got my all-in-one printer/scanner working using gutenprint and xsane |
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| 20:42.22 | stew | perhaps i would do that stuff with my camera, but free software doesn't exist to do it, so there is no option |
| 20:42.46 | adamb | stew: hmm i will try, but i plugged it up, spent 30min googling and no luck - if I have to spend hours setting up a printer/scanner - thats more then enough reason for me to not use that OS for printing/scanning |
| 20:43.22 | stew | adamb: ok, then we can move on... what else then? |
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| 20:43.37 | pozic | stew: I think you have to point it at a .config file via e.g. a command line option. |
| 20:43.41 | stew | pozic: i did |
| 20:43.53 | stew | pozic: i did according to the instructions in the readme, is there some other way? |
| 20:43.55 | pozic | stew: ok, then maybe I misremembered. |
| 20:44.06 | adamb | nothing else, i just wanted to know what other people are actively using linux for, when they come into issues with external devices just not being supported. |
| 20:44.07 | pozic | stew: In my memory, it did work, though. |
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| 20:44.29 | magicianlord | get a different device? |
| 20:44.39 | adamb | magicianlord, lets be serious now... |
| 20:44.45 | stew | adamb: that is serious |
| 20:44.47 | magicianlord | that's what i do |
| 20:44.53 | xok_ | I have 32bit neroAacEnc, any chance to run in on 64bit squeeze?... |
| 20:44.56 | pozic | adamb: it depends on the device. |
| 20:44.58 | magicianlord | or i research ahead to see if it works |
| 20:45.00 | xok_ | run it* |
| 20:45.12 | pozic | adamb: generally, you first check whether it works before you buy it. |
| 20:45.26 | magicianlord | the all in one canon printes are cheap enough that its not worth getting replacement inks for example. instead, i buy a whole new printer for less each tiem |
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| 20:45.37 | Gm4n | To rename my raid5 (md127) to md0, would I mdadm --stop /dev/md127 then mdadm --create /dev/md0 --scan? |
| 20:45.51 | pozic | adamb: you probably didn't buy documented hardware. You got something to work with some limited versions of Windows. |
| 20:45.53 | tonytraductor | anybody know how to list channels on an ircd-irc2 (installed via aptitude on squeeze)? |
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| 20:46.12 | pozic | adamb: Intel CPUs are fully(?) documented (same for AMD). |
| 20:46.20 | pozic | adamb: but something like a printer, not so much. |
| 20:46.36 | tonytraductor | when I try / list I get !irc.localhost Usage of /list for listing all channels is deprecated. Please use "/squery alis help" |
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| 20:46.39 | tonytraductor | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.52 | pozic | adamb: how is Linux supposed to know how to control a device of which it is a trade secret how to control it? |
| 20:46.53 | uwjesd | Debian is broken, I followed everything in /usr/share/doc/mailman/README.Exim4.Debian.gz and still Mailman does not work. |
| 20:46.56 | greycat | tonytraductor: so use /msg alis list foo |
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| 20:47.11 | adamb | pozic, you are WAY off. |
| 20:47.15 | tonytraductor | but, /squery alis help gives "alis No such service" |
| 20:47.21 | tonytraductor | ok |
| 20:47.25 | pozic | adamb: sure, but you are the newbie here. |
| 20:47.35 | pozic | adamb: and I am not WAY off. |
| 20:47.38 | tonytraductor | googling "list irc channels" kept giving me the old "/list" |
| 20:47.49 | greycat | sees the other half of tonytraductor's question, conveniently separated from the half I *did* see... |
| 20:47.51 | pozic | adamb: feel free to find someone who does not agree. |
| 20:48.15 | magicianlord | i see your ponit adamb of not giving up and finding a solution |
| 20:48.18 | magicianlord | point |
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| 20:48.25 | adamb | I've used linux for 10+ years, i simply commented on popular hardware not being supported and asked, if thats enough for you to use another OS, along side linux - |
| 20:48.30 | adamb | thats newbish? |
| 20:48.34 | adamb | again you are WAY off |
| 20:48.35 | tonytraductor | no. I want to list all channels. msg alis foo only shows #foo |
| 20:48.36 | magicianlord | its not enough for me |
| 20:48.40 | xok_ | guys, can I run 32bit neroAacEnc on 64 bit squeeze?... |
| 20:49.09 | greycat | tonytraductor: replace foo with a pattern, then. Like * or something. |
| 20:49.11 | Gm4n | xok_: there's a 32bit compatibility package |
| 20:49.32 | xok_ | Gm4n: what's the name for it?.. |
| 20:49.38 | pozic | adamb: if you used it for 10+ years, then you are just trolling. |
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| 20:50.09 | katsrc | stew: thanks again! |
| 20:50.18 | tonytraductor | alis responds with * No such channel |
| 20:50.33 | tonytraductor | even if I put a channel I opened for the pattern. |
| 20:50.34 | eshat | What scriptlanguage would you recommend lerning nowadays, perl, pythn or ruby ? (For sysadmin purposes) |
| 20:50.34 | tonytraductor | weird |
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| 20:50.49 | tonytraductor | bash |
| 20:50.54 | adamb | pozic, is english you're first language? I asked IF people use another OS along side linux DUE TO some hardware devices they MAY have not being supported. |
| 20:50.54 | tonytraductor | for sysadmin |
| 20:51.13 | Gm4n | xok_: It might be ia32-libs |
| 20:51.36 | tonytraductor | xok_ you should be able to run 32bit stuff is you have the 32bit libs |
| 20:51.41 | tonytraductor | although, your mileage varies |
| 20:51.52 | pozic | "well its a problem for me when I can't get 80% of my external devices to work correctly, due to their software not being compatible." |
| 20:51.59 | eshat | tonytraductor: I think bash is a bad idea when I need to use libraries (like IMAP, LDAP, SMTP) perl and python have these AFAIK |
| 20:52.13 | pozic | You must be very unlucky, since I know of nobody who got that unlucky. |
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| 20:52.45 | stew | this is pointless discussion, "if you only use linux, and your devices don't work in linux, what do you do" <- you don't use them |
| 20:52.50 | tonytraductor | ah, eshat so it's a webserver your adminning? wouldn't php and ruby be pretty standard now? |
| 20:52.54 | Gm4n | anyone know how to rename a mdadm device? |
| 20:53.04 | tonytraductor | of course, it never hurts to know perl and python, too |
| 20:53.08 | tonytraductor | it's all useful stuff |
| 20:53.16 | tonytraductor | and learn tcl/tk, too |
| 20:53.22 | xok_ | Gm4n: you are genius... :-* |
| 20:53.26 | xok_ | thank you very much... |
| 20:53.27 | stew | adamb: i'd bet that your printer and scanner could be made to work, if you want help, give us more info and we'll try to help. if you want, as you say, to not bother since you've already spent more than thirty mintues, that's fine too |
| 20:53.33 | uwjesd | pozic: God, why are you buying incompatible devices? |
| 20:53.47 | uwjesd | pozic: Send them back already. |
| 20:53.51 | eshat | tonytraductor: no I am admin for everything :D (NFS-fileserver, LDAP, IMAP, ...) I am not the only person of course |
| 20:53.54 | adamb | pozic: thats statement was IN THE middle of a conversation with someone, what are you a politician that takes snippets of peoples convos and spin the message? |
| 20:53.58 | tonytraductor | maybe he didn't know to check the hardware compat lists |
| 20:54.01 | pozic | uwjesd: I didn't say that. |
| 20:54.13 | pozic | uwjesd: on that topic; should I return my ATI card? Their drivers suck. |
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| 20:54.27 | magicianlord | what ati card |
| 20:54.28 | pozic | uwjesd: I doubt they even accept it. |
| 20:54.34 | pozic | magicianlord: 5770 |
| 20:54.38 | stew | adamb: please just move on to more productive conversation, this isn't going anywhere... |
| 20:54.39 | magicianlord | ati cards are good |
| 20:54.41 | tonytraductor | I'm running a web server in my office. Frankly, I use bash more than anything, but also php, and I also use tcl to automate some stuff, but that's because I like tcl |
| 20:54.53 | pozic | magicianlord: no, they are not. |
| 20:54.56 | tonytraductor | but I'm NOT running mail, so haven't had to mess with imap or smtp |
| 20:55.00 | adamb | stew: i responded to his statement, i was being polite. |
| 20:55.01 | magicianlord | just dont use them with linux |
| 20:55.01 | pozic | magicianlord: I am qualified to have an opinion and they are not. |
| 20:55.08 | pozic | magicianlord: right... |
| 20:55.12 | uwjesd | pozic: Don´t you ever check for compatibility before you buy something? |
| 20:55.18 | magicianlord | use integrated or low end nvidia |
| 20:55.26 | pozic | uwjesd: uh, I always do. |
| 20:55.39 | tonytraductor | I forgot what I even came here to ask...always so much interesting stuff to talk about in here. |
| 20:55.52 | pozic | uwjesd: I was under the impression that there were closed-source drivers which had most of the bugs worked out. |
| 20:56.02 | Gm4n | you came in here to answer my mdadm questions, clearly :P |
| 20:56.07 | pozic | uwjesd: and AMD told me that they were going to release complete documentation. |
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| 20:56.13 | tonytraductor | oh, yeah |
| 20:56.16 | pozic | uwjesd: so, what are you whining? |
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| 20:56.20 | tonytraductor | this machine is AMD64 |
| 20:56.30 | stew | tonytraductor: "/list #*" doesn't work? |
| 20:56.39 | uwjesd | pozic: Well Ati-Drivers and Nvidia-Drivers work just perfect and out of the box and are installed in about 4 minutes. |
| 20:56.48 | pozic | uwjesd: ...., no they do not. |
| 20:57.02 | pozic | uwjesd: nvidia drivers work perfect. |
| 20:57.14 | magicianlord | use open source for ati |
| 20:57.18 | magicianlord | those work |
| 20:57.21 | pozic | uwjesd: ATI drivers do not. You may think they do, but well, that's sort of an uninteresting statement. |
| 20:57.21 | tonytraductor | you know what? it DOES list the channel (only one open), just, it threw so much other text at me, I didn't see it! |
| 20:57.27 | tonytraductor | there's only one channel open the server. |
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| 20:57.30 | magicianlord | uninteresting? |
| 20:57.34 | pozic | magicianlord: no, I even tried the latest development code. |
| 20:57.37 | magicianlord | are you here to get a solution or to complain |
| 20:57.41 | pozic | magicianlord: everything sucks :) |
| 20:57.48 | pozic | Except nvidia drivers. |
| 20:57.49 | tonytraductor | I wanted to make sure of that (see if anybody else was on and opening channels I didn't know about). |
| 20:57.53 | tonytraductor | but nope, only one channel |
| 20:57.55 | magicianlord | so install an nvidia card |
| 20:57.58 | uwjesd | pozic: Just install fglx or something with module assistant. And thats about enough of wasting my time. |
| 20:58.04 | tonytraductor | #jedi @ blinguas.homelinux.net |
| 20:58.08 | pozic | magicianlord: are you saying I can return the ATI card? |
| 20:58.13 | pozic | magicianlord: just because the drivers suck? |
| 20:58.36 | pozic | magicianlord: I would probably do that immediately, if that would be seen as a valid reason. |
| 20:58.39 | magicianlord | i said get an nvidia card and stop whining |
| 20:59.06 | pozic | magicianlord: I am not going to throw away a card that works for 90% of use cases. |
| 20:59.24 | tonytraductor | now I opened a #debian on there, too |
| 20:59.32 | tonytraductor | this is fun. |
| 20:59.33 | greycat | It doesn't matter whether it works for 90% of OTHER PEOPLE. It only matters whether it works for you. |
| 20:59.57 | pozic | greycat: exactly, so do you think I can just RMA it? |
| 20:59.58 | greycat | Get it to work, or return it, or throw it in a drawer and wait a few years for Linux drivers to support it. |
| 21:00.01 | tonytraductor | I bought a new machine (amd64, the one I'm on here with), so I took the old machine and made it a webserver, and installed an irc server, and a dokuwiki, and blazeblogger |
| 21:00.09 | greycat | How would I know? Ask the vendor. |
| 21:00.13 | tonytraductor | and I haven't gotten any work done for my clients in 2 whole days. |
| 21:00.31 | tonytraductor | I'd fire myself, but the company really needs me (sole propreitor) |
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| 21:00.44 | Gm4n | tonytraductor: :) |
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| 21:00.56 | stew | i just stick with machines with intel graphics. they don't hold back on features in their free drivers |
| 21:01.19 | pozic | stew: I read somewhere else that their drivers also suck (4 times slower than on Windows). |
| 21:01.19 | adamb | Yes, my printer does work on Windows/Max for whoever asked that question. |
| 21:01.23 | adamb | Mac* |
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| 21:01.35 | stew | pozic: i've never had a problem (or a way to test that) |
| 21:02.00 | tonytraductor | I'm pretty impressed with myself sometimes, but the truth is, I know HOW to do a lot of stuff, without really understanding WHY it works. so much to learn |
| 21:02.03 | adamb | stew: what printer/scanner do you have? |
| 21:02.07 | uwjesd | pozic: Aw, c´mon now you are just trolling. |
| 21:02.10 | pozic | stew: otherwise I have the impression that they want Linux to work. |
| 21:02.17 | pozic | uwjesd: no, stating facts. |
| 21:02.19 | arnestig | do I need compiz to get the "wobbly" windows or is there some other package that handles that? |
| 21:02.23 | tonytraductor | I have an hp officejet 5610 all-in-one, and I <3 it |
| 21:02.47 | adamb | tonytraductor, cool - you got the scan to computer feature working? |
| 21:02.52 | tonytraductor | why bother with the wobbly windows? why not just toss half your ram in the toilent and be done with it? |
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| 21:02.58 | uwjesd | pozic: You read somewhere else is stating facts. Way to go. |
| 21:03.12 | arnestig | tonytraductor, i might do that. I do enjoy those windows however |
| 21:03.26 | tonytraductor | I haven't tried "scan to computer" from the scanner's buttons. I use xsane or gimp>xsane to scan stuff. |
| 21:03.27 | pozic | uwjesd: The fact was that I read that. |
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| 21:04.06 | pozic | Not all scanners have a SANE implementation, e.g. Dell multi-functionals don't. |
| 21:04.09 | tonytraductor | what do people who don't have Debian do for fun? |
| 21:04.11 | stew | adamb: mine doesn't really matter |
| 21:04.15 | tonytraductor | seriously |
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| 21:04.23 | Gm4n | I think they resort to drinking |
| 21:04.27 | simonrvn | run something else |
| 21:04.33 | tonytraductor | oh yeah...I gave up drinking years ago |
| 21:04.34 | simonrvn | like away |
| 21:04.42 | tonytraductor | gnu/linux is more fun (and more addictive) |
| 21:05.02 | Gm4n | speaking of drinking, anyone have ideas about renaming /dev/md127 to /dev/md0? You know, before I start drinking myself :P |
| 21:05.14 | tonytraductor | oh, hereÅ somethign I was wonder... |
| 21:05.17 | adamb | stew: umm okay.. weird |
| 21:05.22 | stew | adamb: what is? |
| 21:05.29 | magicianlord | drink milk |
| 21:05.32 | magicianlord | soy milk |
| 21:05.33 | tonytraductor | the machine th server is on has 2 partitions (well, I think 3 with /boot), / and /home |
| 21:05.34 | adamb | stew: it doesn't matter. |
| 21:05.42 | stew | adamb: huh? |
| 21:05.49 | simonrvn | i drink - water - all the time |
| 21:06.10 | tonytraductor | now, to my knowledge, /var is in / , and / only has about 13gb free in there, whereas /home has about 60gb free. |
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| 21:06.15 | adamb | tonytraductor, what flavor linux you use, debain or another? |
| 21:06.26 | stew | adamb: are you saying that getting your printer working might be different depending on what model printer I have? |
| 21:06.30 | stew | adamb: becuase it doesn't |
| 21:06.37 | tonytraductor | So, I'm wondering if I could make a symlink in /var to a dir in /home somewhere |
| 21:06.47 | tonytraductor | I'm using debian/squeeze on my desktop and my server |
| 21:06.57 | adamb | stew: no im not saying that. |
| 21:07.10 | jhutchins_lt2 | tonytraductor: I've had to do that, but 13g should be fine. |
| 21:07.16 | tonytraductor | my laptop has peppermint os, though (ubuntu/mint derived "cloud optimized" light LXDE thing) |
| 21:07.33 | tonytraductor | yeah, 13gb is a good amount of space, I suppose, for a wiki and blog |
| 21:07.34 | sh_sh | is it possible to run a script when a certain process gets terminated. Like to register a routine to be run when the process gets terminated by whatever reason? |
| 21:07.51 | tonytraductor | because, I'd rather not repartition the darned thing. |
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| 21:07.56 | tonytraductor | I could do that, though, I know |
| 21:08.19 | tonytraductor | I could make a third partition and put /var in there, but that means taking the server offline for a while |
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| 21:08.56 | tonytraductor | and I'm not so clear on what the ramifications of trying mv /var to another partition are. |
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| 21:09.03 | adamb | stew: and your statement if horribly wrong as well - with your logic, drivers would never be updated or new ones released, everything would just work in the future for ever for all new hardware |
| 21:09.10 | tonytraductor | I suppose I could repartition and just shrink /home and grow / |
| 21:09.18 | tonytraductor | if I run out of space... |
| 21:09.22 | stew | adamb: huh? |
| 21:09.27 | stew | adamb: wait, what logic? |
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| 21:09.41 | tonytraductor | and I could point http traffic to this machine while the server is down, and at least host a holder page there |
| 21:09.56 | adamb | re-read your statement, its pretty clear what you suggested, that i was suggesting. |
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| 21:10.02 | adamb | but im outta here, later |
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| 21:10.16 | stew | what the shit? |
| 21:10.23 | tonytraductor | p00p |
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| 21:10.49 | stew | he was really excellent at not getting help |
| 21:11.08 | magicianlord | what does it mean when a battery suddenly goes from 40% charge to 7%? |
| 21:11.15 | magicianlord | hmm |
| 21:11.16 | tonytraductor | even though the server is about 5 feet from me, and I have monitors and keyboards and stuff, I do not have it connected to a monitor/keyboard/mouse |
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| 21:11.24 | stew | magicianlord: that you are getting that much closer to needing to replace your battery :) |
| 21:11.26 | tonytraductor | I've been doing everything to it over ssh and sshfs |
| 21:11.39 | magicianlord | stew: it's fairly new |
| 21:11.49 | stew | magicianlord: expect the "40%" number to keep increasing until you can't stand it and have to replace it |
| 21:11.54 | magicianlord | may as well replace the netbook than pay for a new battery |
| 21:12.16 | tonytraductor | I got a dell latitude d420 for $200 on ebay last week |
| 21:12.22 | tonytraductor | that one is running peppermint |
| 21:12.38 | tonytraductor | 3 years ago I bought a thinkpad a21m for $200 |
| 21:12.53 | tonytraductor | that was running lenny until the hardware started getting flaky |
| 21:12.54 | stew | magicianlord: you can perhaps check around in /proc/acpi/ and see if you can find your battery, you can often find "design capacity" and "last full charge" to see how much it has degraded so far |
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| 21:16.22 | twinkie_addict | lol i misstyed aptitude and was told this aptitude dose not have super cow powers lol thats cool |
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| 21:17.36 | simonrvn | twinkie_addict: aptitude -v then keep adding a v until 5 |
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| 21:21.04 | greycat | twinkie_addict: actually, what you want is "aptitude moo", with or without some -v options |
| 21:21.58 | concon | greycat: That's apt-get moo |
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| 21:22.09 | greycat | concon: try it... |
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| 21:22.47 | concon | There are no easter eggs in this program |
| 21:22.56 | greycat | Now add the -v |
| 21:23.44 | concon | I know what it says, and it's not nearly as amusing as apt-get moo |
| 21:24.08 | simonrvn | greycat: oh yeh, forgot that part, thanks |
| 21:24.23 | greycat | What is it? It's an elephant being eaten by a snake, of course. |
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| 21:25.54 | Juozapas | hi i want to start inadyn program on start-up |
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| 21:26.37 | Juozapas | i put it on /etc/rc.local (/usr/sbin/inadyn). but it doesnt work. checking via ps wax | grep inadyn. what i'm doing wrong ? |
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| 21:27.12 | greycat | any errors at boot time that would indicate why it failed? |
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| 21:27.20 | rebel52 | yo yo whats up |
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| 21:27.34 | rebel52 | listen, a dumbass client wants to install debian 5.0 (lenny) |
| 21:27.42 | rebel52 | can i still do a netinstall of that? |
| 21:27.46 | greycat | Sure. |
| 21:27.57 | rebel52 | aren't all the mirrors down..? |
| 21:28.05 | Juozapas | greycat: no errors |
| 21:28.08 | greycat | They'd better not be. Lenny is still supported. |
| 21:28.20 | rebel52 | cool |
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| 21:28.29 | rebel52 | can you give me a link to a list of mirrors? |
| 21:28.37 | greycat | !mirrors |
| 21:28.38 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
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| 21:29.05 | rebel52 | so lenny uses the same mirrors as squeeze? |
| 21:29.13 | greycat | Yes. |
| 21:29.16 | rebel52 | ah |
| 21:29.21 | rebel52 | that makes sense then |
| 21:29.24 | rebel52 | thanks |
| 21:29.31 | rebel52 | wait.. |
| 21:29.41 | greycat | Squeeze was only released 11 days ago. |
| 21:29.48 | rebel52 | if they use the same mirrors, isn't it just like using squeeze anyways? |
| 21:29.54 | rebel52 | as they'll be using the same packages |
| 21:29.58 | greycat | The mirrors have multiple versions on them. |
| 21:30.02 | rebel52 | k |
| 21:30.05 | greycat | They have lenny *and* squeeze packages. |
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| 21:30.14 | greycat | Your sources.list will specify which set gets used. |
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| 21:35.33 | tonytraductor | I think the navigation is not intuitive, with the backtrace link top left and home/index link topright. |
| 21:35.38 | tonytraductor | I bet that confuses people |
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| 21:36.26 | Waxhead1 | I installed the BOINC package but when trying to start the BOINC manager it simply dies when trying to connect to a project |
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| 21:46.21 | twinkie_addict | lol mabe would be fun i just think its funny aptitude thinnks it used to have cow powers lol |
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| 21:46.45 | greycat | That's because apt-get has super cow powers. |
| 21:46.50 | twinkie_addict | itd be funny if it mooed and corected my typos |
| 21:46.52 | greycat | aptitude's not as super. |
| 21:47.07 | twinkie_addict | lol |
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| 21:47.29 | daemonkeeper | greycat: aptitude -v[vvvv] moo |
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| 21:47.51 | greycat | daemonkeeper: yes, we discussed this about 45 minutes ago |
| 21:47.54 | tienslebien | lol |
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| 21:48.30 | Fisherman | I am having trouble with the backlighting |
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| 21:49.49 | pozic | Fisherman: your backlight cannot be configured normally because you have no platform drivers, thereby it is used more than on Windows and now it is broken? |
| 21:50.13 | jellow | I'm having trouble running WoW in wine , My fps is around 0.5 while in windoes it was 40 - 50 I think this due to ny driver not being picked up properly how can I check? |
| 21:50.15 | Fisherman | After adjusting the backlighting, then if I move the mouse after the computer has dimmed the display (because it is idle) the display get all bright (100%) |
| 21:50.27 | Fisherman | pozic: what? |
| 21:50.47 | pozic | Fisherman: it was a wild guess |
| 21:50.53 | Fisherman | I didnt understand it |
| 21:51.03 | jellow | normally I look at Xorg.conf but the file does not exit by default |
| 21:51.39 | greycat | jellow: you can start with /var/log/Xorg.0.log I think |
| 21:51.46 | pozic | Fisherman: which laptop do you have? Being able to configure backlighting is pretty special. |
| 21:51.51 | nkuttler | jellow: or run glxgears |
| 21:52.00 | Fisherman | pozic: ASUS UL30A |
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| 21:52.12 | rebel52 | greycat |
| 21:52.40 | Fisherman | pozic: I believe it is pretty common to be able to do that. It worked some months ago (on another dist) |
| 21:52.59 | rebel52 | so.. if i was to do a netinstall, what path would i have to use in order to have the lenny stage2 install process start? |
| 21:53.09 | rebel52 | so i used http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ as my mirror |
| 21:53.40 | greycat | If the lenny net install is writing "stable" in the sources.list instead of writing "squeeze", then find someone to punch. And then fix the sources.list file. |
| 21:53.44 | pozic | Fisherman: the latest platform support is from 2007 if the copyright message is correct. |
| 21:53.51 | greycat | err, I mean, instead of writing "lenny". |
| 21:53.56 | pozic | Fisherman: you can see that in asus-laptop.c |
| 21:54.17 | pozic | <linux kernel source>/src/linux-2.6/drivers/platform/x86/asus-laptop.c |
| 21:54.39 | pozic | It might be that they didn't change anything there in 3 years, though. |
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| 21:54.55 | pozic | Fisherman: but what I said was a different issue. |
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| 21:55.10 | Fisherman | ok |
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| 21:55.12 | jellow | This is a normal output of Glx Gears 3141 frames in 5.0 seconds = 628.096 FPS |
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| 21:55.29 | Fisherman | hey |
| 21:55.30 | v0x | hi, where can I find the lenny netinst iso? |
| 21:55.32 | Fisherman | i think i found a fix |
| 21:55.33 | pozic | Fisherman: basically the application which is responsible for undimming your screen has a bug. |
| 21:55.36 | mebexix | i've a question for you. I have a mounted vfat SD device and i can not execute any executable that is stored there. This is what $ mount throws: /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/disk type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks,uid=999,gid=999,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush); not less important info: if i try to modify the permissions of a executable file to +x with chmod, it just doesn't works (tried both, with and without sudo) |
| 21:55.37 | mebexix | =) |
| 21:55.44 | pozic | Fisherman: you should report this stuff clearly. |
| 21:55.46 | greycat | 628 seems rather low. |
| 21:55.47 | eshat | new powertop version does not show power usage, is there another command for that ? |
| 21:56.01 | nkuttler | jellow: that doesn't look accelerated. should be above 10k or so |
| 21:56.04 | pozic | Fisherman: (like in a bug report) |
| 21:56.08 | nkuttler | with a recent card |
| 21:56.11 | Fisherman | pozic: yea i know :/ im just too tired right now, i have been at the office for ~14 hours today |
| 21:56.26 | greycat | "glxinfo" is a more canonical source of information about whether your graphics are being hardware-accelerated, but it requires some interpretation |
| 21:56.27 | pozic | Fisherman: you can just copy paste the IRC discussion. |
| 21:56.41 | pozic | Fisherman: there is no rush. |
| 21:57.13 | jellow | nkuttler: I looked at /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:57.36 | nkuttler | jellow: what greycat said |
| 21:57.38 | jellow | nkuttler: what should I be looking for seems good to me |
| 21:57.45 | jellow | o sorry |
| 21:57.54 | v0x | guys, is lenny's netinst iso still hosted anywhere or did squeeze bump lenny off the internet? |
| 21:57.58 | greycat | I think the starting point is "glxinfo | grep render" |
| 21:58.13 | nkuttler | v0x: yes, no |
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| 21:58.30 | v0x | call me a nutter... but i can't find it |
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| 21:58.40 | rebel52 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ < v0x |
| 21:59.03 | rebel52 | nutter. |
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| 21:59.38 | v0x | i deserved that; thanks :) |
| 21:59.42 | rebel52 | np |
| 22:00.00 | Gm4n | To rename my raid5 (md127) to md0, would I mdadm --stop /dev/md127 then mdadm --create /dev/md0 --scan? |
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| 22:00.18 | v0x | Gm4n, use mdadm --assemble |
| 22:00.40 | v0x | for example, mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 |
| 22:00.48 | Gm4n | gotcha :) |
| 22:01.00 | Gm4n | and before that, use mdadm --stop /dev/md127? |
| 22:01.12 | v0x | Aye |
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| 22:01.27 | Gm4n | is there any precautions I can take beforehand? |
| 22:01.33 | greycat | Back up your data. |
| 22:01.35 | Gm4n | s/is/are/ |
| 22:01.39 | Gm4n | yeah, no can do :( |
| 22:01.48 | nkuttler | Gm4n: backup |
| 22:01.49 | v0x | You won't break anything anyway |
| 22:01.55 | greycat | v0x: hahahahaha |
| 22:02.00 | nkuttler | famous last words |
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| 22:02.08 | v0x | B-) |
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| 22:02.31 | Gm4n | but this isn't an operation that should write to the disks in any way? |
| 22:02.37 | nkuttler | Gm4n: do you really want to mess with your data just because you don't like the device name? |
| 22:02.51 | v0x | Gm4n, indeed |
| 22:02.53 | Gm4n | yes, because it worries me that it changed names from md0 to md127 |
| 22:03.03 | v0x | =) |
| 22:03.17 | Gm4n | I just moved drives to a new system, and it's now showing up as md127 (which is pretty weird to me) |
| 22:03.24 | greycat | If I cared about device names, I wouldn't have let Debian put UUID=477d0606-25e8-4702-90fb-fa9f56758c5d /boot ... into my fstab! |
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| 22:04.09 | Frenk | Hey, I have a question. I use postfix as a mail-forwarder. If postfix is forwarding messages, does it filter incoming spam (spamassasin+clamav)? or does it just take and relay without doing anything? |
| 22:04.39 | v0x | depends on how you forward |
| 22:04.41 | greycat | I doubt it would run antispam out of the box without being told to. |
| 22:05.21 | nkuttler | Frenk: you should probably know how spamassassin hooks into postfix. there are various ways. |
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| 22:05.53 | greycat | #postfix would be a better place to get help for this, I imagine |
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| 22:10.08 | twinkie_addict | how do install an app wiuthout getting its deps ? i want the java plugin but i have a webbrowser i dont want iceweasle |
| 22:10.35 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell twinkie_addict about equivs |
| 22:11.41 | Gm4n | v0x, nkuttler: it worked, but after system reboot it's back to md127 |
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| 22:13.58 | iz0 | tune2fs -m 1 <device> FTW! :) |
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| 22:14.29 | twinkie_addict | ty |
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| 22:19.53 | jellow | Does this mean hardware acceleration is enabled http://pastebin.com/MHKUDUBt ( output of lxinfo | grep render , lspci | grep VGA ) ? |
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| 22:19.56 | Gm4n | in mdadm --examine, the preferred minor is the /dev/md* file that the drive wants to take, correct? |
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| 22:21.09 | ekra | Hi. Please I currently try to enable ipv6 privacy extension. Put net.ipv6.conf.all.use_tempaddr=1 in my sysctl.conf but failed. Could you help me please ? |
| 22:21.20 | jalalsfs | I want to install ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/driver/alsa-driver-1.0.24.tar.bz2 in debian What's name in packaging? |
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| 22:22.29 | Gm4n | jalalsfs: I'd start with `apt-cache search alsa | grep driver` |
| 22:22.56 | Gm4n | ekra: failed how? |
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| 22:24.40 | ekra | Gm4n, extension is always my ethernet mac address |
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| 22:55.21 | magicianlord | what's the best way to minimize debian 6's install footprint with gnome de? |
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| 22:55.35 | magicianlord | the default optinon is around 2.7gb. too big |
| 22:56.39 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 22:56.39 | dpkg | To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 22:56.42 | abrotman | use a smaller metapackage |
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| 22:57.00 | ader10 | I'm having trouble enabling tab completion for apt-get. Please help me. |
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| 22:58.07 | Gm4n | what does it mean if I'm seeing md0 vanish and reappear as md127 on boot? http://pastebin.com/QrnwM4UD |
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| 23:05.39 | [XeN] | !install e17 |
| 23:05.59 | p_res | [XeN], is E17 gold yet? |
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| 23:06.17 | [XeN] | gold? |
| 23:06.17 | abrotman | heeh, no |
| 23:06.27 | abrotman | !tell [XeN] about e17 |
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| 23:07.00 | p_res | Gold = Final. |
| 23:07.14 | amphi | p_res: unalloyed lead, as ever, I believe ;) |
| 23:07.21 | [XeN] | no it's still in developement |
| 23:07.22 | magicianlord | is anyone familiar with compiling the broadcom driver on kernel 2.6.37? |
| 23:08.04 | [XeN] | but the svn builds run quite stable |
| 23:08.14 | p_res | [XeN], I used it a long time ago on Ubuntu and rather liked it. And it was pretty stable back then too. I would have thought id't be final by now. |
| 23:08.23 | p_res | it'd |
| 23:08.54 | [XeN] | don't know when it becomes stable. but could take a long time. |
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| 23:11.46 | Pikel-2 | I seem to be having an issue w/ uvesafb, when I load the module, I get 'Error -22' and it doesn't properly register itself, does anyone have any idea how to fix this? |
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| 23:13.08 | Texou | hi |
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| 23:13.45 | Texou | little question: does Debian work fine on a Mac? |
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| 23:15.41 | [XeN] | it works very well on my imac g3 :P |
| 23:16.01 | emilsedgh | sid users: 2.6.37 is available for apt-get installing :) |
| 23:16.03 | [XeN] | but i think you mean a newer one |
| 23:16.10 | ader10 | I have no tab completion in sudo -i. Please help me find out how to enable it |
| 23:16.30 | EZmoney | anyone having issues with squeeze mounting usb or sd card? |
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| 23:22.16 | Pikel-2 | I seem to be having an issue w/ uvesafb, when I load the module, I get 'Error -22' and it doesn't properly register itself, does anyone have any idea how to fix this? |
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| 23:26.25 | jellow | If I create an Xorg.conf file for my graphics card will it load that by default? |
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| 23:26.47 | [XeN] | how do you create it? |
| 23:26.49 | Pikel-2 | if you put it in /etc/X11/ |
| 23:27.04 | jellow | yes Pikel-2 |
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| 23:27.32 | [XeN] | the "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" will always be used by default |
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| 23:34.57 | raz | where can i see what security backports have been applied to a given package? |
| 23:35.15 | Pikel-2_ | I seem to be having an issue w/ uvesafb, when I load the module, I get 'Error -22' and it doesn't properly register itself, does anyone have any idea how to fix this? |
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| 23:41.15 | Pikel-2 | damned phone .... |
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| 23:45.45 | jellow | I'm trying to enable hardware acceleration on my intel 82915G/GV/910GL , lsmod shows that the driver i915 is loaded and lxinfo returns that direct rendering is on yet glxgears tells me that (2565 frames in 5.0 seconds = 512.699 FPS) which I've been told mean Its not working |
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| 23:46.22 | Noor_eg | hello |
| 23:46.24 | [XeN] | good night guys |
| 23:46.31 | Pikel-2 | I seem to be having an issue w/ uvesafb, when I load the module, I get 'Error -22' and it doesn't properly register itself, does anyone have any idea how to fix this? |
| 23:46.34 | Noor_eg | how could i install quanata at my debian |
| 23:46.50 | jellow | Is direct rendering the same as hardware acceleration ? |
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| 23:49.50 | Noor_eg | how could i install quanta plus |
| 23:49.54 | rudi_s | jellow: AFAIK yes. |
| 23:51.27 | jellow | Noor_eg: apt-get install quanta proablly in repo ? |
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| 23:53.30 | ScottG | Is there a way to determine why a package is marked as obsolete? Some manually installed packages like picasa and googleearth and showing up as so |
| 23:54.22 | rudi_s | ScottG: Obsolete (in aptitude) means you don't have a repository which contains the package. |
| 23:54.33 | jellow | Noor_eg: just googled it's not in squeeze you will habe to compile it |
| 23:54.35 | ScottG | Ah ok that makes sense then |
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| 23:55.11 | pobega | How can I change the width of the results of an aptitude search (without editing the config file)? |
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| 23:56.06 | ScottG | It's -w. Learn 2 read man pages. |
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| 23:56.47 | pobega | Well, is there any way to tell aptitude I don't WANT a width limit? Or is that not possible? |
| 23:56.53 | Pikel-2 | I seem to be having an issue w/ uvesafb, when I load the module, I get 'Error -22' and it doesn't properly register itself, does anyone have any idea how to fix this? |
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