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| 00:04.36 | jellow | if my driver is Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL should I be using the i810 driver or the i915 driver? |
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| 00:05.20 | oOarthurOo | jellow, is there an option (c)? |
| 00:06.18 | jellow | oOarthurOo: not sure , i used to use the i810 on ubuntu |
| 00:08.47 | oOarthurOo | Jellow http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/IntelGraphicsDriver |
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| 00:11.29 | oOarthurOo | what do these debhelper sets channel lmit message mean... is it anti spam measure? |
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| 00:12.57 | Pikel-2 | what's the debian way to blacklist nouveau? |
| 00:13.51 | jellow | oOarthurOo: this is talking about the one in the debian repo? |
| 00:14.31 | peterrooney | oOarthurOo: pretty much. sometimes a spammer will have a hundred computers join a channel at once, all spewing the same message. |
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| 00:14.43 | jellow | I thought intel had a native driver for linux |
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| 00:15.51 | oOarthurOo | jellow I'm saying for the 910GL graphics card you probably don't want either i810 or i915, you probably want the intel one. the matrix there can help you decide that. the intel one is in the repos |
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| 00:16.08 | oOarthurOo | peterrooney, interesting. thx |
| 00:16.16 | hiexpo | another ? after i install debian squeeze am i going to have to install better video drivers for my nvidia card or will deb detect it |
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| 00:17.14 | jellow | oOarthurOo: debian does not enable them as they are not 100% open source , or are they not stable |
| 00:18.11 | pipeline | !nvidia |
| 00:18.11 | dpkg | Install either <nouveau> (no 3D support) or the appropriate proprietary driver package for your card. For GeForce 6xxx through to some GeForce 400 series, ask me about <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>; for older series, ask about <nvidia dkms-173xx> <nvidia dkms-96xx>. For oldstable, see <nvidia lenny>. nvidia.com packages are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 00:20.22 | jellow | oOarthurOo: I installed this one xserver-xorg-video-intel from squeeze repo , Do i need to backlist the old ones? |
| 00:21.08 | hiexpo | pipeline, ok i am useing the 185 driver here on ubuntu |
| 00:21.15 | oOarthurOo | jellow, no |
| 00:21.37 | access_d | is there a powerpoint viewer available that _doesn't_ require wine? |
| 00:21.56 | access_d | wait, oo.org does, doesn't it? |
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| 00:22.30 | access_d | nevermind.. :) |
| 00:22.32 | access_d | facepalms |
| 00:23.07 | Yeow | good night people.. any can help me with one thing? i am new in debian and have a little error and i do not know what i must do now. |
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| 00:23.49 | jhutchins_lt | Yeow: We will not know if we can help you until we know what the problem is. |
| 00:23.51 | jellow | how can I tell that I'm running the propierty intel drivers apposed to open source ones |
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| 00:24.54 | Yeow | i have a little problem with #apt-get update jhutchins_lt |
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| 00:25.25 | jhutchins_lt | jellow: You're running something other than linux. |
| 00:25.39 | jhutchins_lt | jellow: (AFIK there are no proprietary intel drivers.) |
| 00:26.04 | jhutchins_lt | Yeow: Again, no-one will know whether they can help you unless you tell us what the problem is. |
| 00:26.40 | Yeow | jeje ok. sorry.. the problem it's this |
| 00:27.08 | Yeow | when i try to make #apt-get update say me this |
| 00:27.15 | Yeow | Fetched 41.6kB in 1s (31.7kB/s) |
| 00:27.15 | Yeow | Reading package lists... Done |
| 00:27.15 | Yeow | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
| 00:27.15 | Yeow | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
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| 00:27.40 | Yeow | sorry.. disconnect me the chat |
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| 00:28.10 | Yeow | >Fetched 41.6kB in 1s (31.7kB/s) |
| 00:28.10 | Yeow | > Reading package lists... Done |
| 00:28.10 | Yeow | > W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
| 00:28.10 | Yeow | > W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
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| 00:29.30 | Yeow | this error: http://paste.debian.net/108021 |
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| 00:31.04 | jhutchins_lt | Yeow: Just the error was enough - we got it. Now let's see who knows how to fix it. |
| 00:32.26 | Yeow | thanks jhutchins_lt .. i do not know how fix that.... i never use debian before (sorry) |
| 00:33.13 | jhutchins_lt | Yeow: I'm not sure either, I'm relatively new to it and haven't had many problems. I'm looking though. |
| 00:33.25 | themill | Yeow: what version of "debian-archive-keyring" do you have installed? |
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| 00:34.21 | Yeow | 5.x lenny |
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| 00:34.38 | debiantonio | hiexpo: my older mx440 64mb has autodetect |
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| 00:35.25 | themill | Yeow: the output of "apt-cache policy debian-archive-keyring; apt-cache policy" would be more precise. |
| 00:36.20 | Yeow | sorry.. i do not understand you themill ... |
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| 00:36.30 | Yeow | i make a #apt-cache policy ? |
| 00:36.50 | themill | Yeow: please pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy debian-archive-keyring; apt-cache policy" |
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| 00:37.14 | jhutchins_lt | Yeow: According to http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt#Otherproblems that error is advisory only and your system will still work fine. |
| 00:37.35 | jhutchins_lt | Yeow: You should probably do an aptitude upgrade. |
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| 00:38.27 | Yeow | aptitude don't work |
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| 00:39.42 | themill | more real facts and less speculation would be handy |
| 00:40.10 | jhutchins_lt | Perhaps that page is wrong then. |
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| 00:40.49 | Yeow | aptitude say me the same error |
| 00:41.20 | themill | jhutchins_lt: that's the most likely cause, but until we have that pastebin, we don't know. Offering random distractions don't help us get the information we need. |
| 00:41.27 | themill | Yeow: please pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy debian-archive-keyring; apt-cache policy" |
| 00:44.24 | Yeow | themill: http://paste.debian.net/108024 |
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| 00:45.16 | jnewt | hello, I just checked my raid array (i actually forgot i had raided the disks, and it shows Failed Devices: 1 |
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| 00:45.58 | jnewt | State: clean, degraded |
| 00:46.05 | jnewt | what does degraded mean? |
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| 00:47.21 | themill | Yeow: so you have an out of date keyring package there; "aptitude install debian-archive-keyring; aptitude update" will solve your problem. You will probably find that you are missing quite a few other security updates too if this is the case, so an "aptitude full-upgrade" is probably needed |
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| 00:49.38 | Yeow | ok.. i will try |
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| 00:52.15 | jellow | I need help enabling hardware accelaeration on my Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL |
| 00:52.36 | jellow | ^acceleration |
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| 00:54.24 | amphi | !intel-gfx shadow |
| 00:54.24 | dpkg | The shadow option for the intel Xorg driver in Debian is automatically enabled if an 8xx chipset is detected (http://bugs.debian.org/597993#64). Use of the shadow buffer disables GPU acceleration, forcing software fallbacks; see intel(4) for rationale. To override (n.b. this is a system stability risk), create an xorg.conf file - ask me about <xorg config squeeze> - and define 'Option "Shadow" "false"' in the Device section. |
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| 00:55.16 | amphi | jellow: dunno if the above applies to you, it might be worth looking at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see if this shadow buffer business is enabled there |
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| 00:56.34 | jonas__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.43 | jonas__ | now i wonder how to take it back apt-get -f install "libstdc++6: Depends: gcc-4.4-base (= 4.4.5-12) but it is not installable E: Unable to correct dependencies" |
| 00:57.23 | antivigilante | has anyone got a deb with the fix for the flash/glibc memcpy -> memmove strange sound bug |
| 00:57.30 | antivigilante | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=638477 |
| 00:57.51 | antivigilante | how do I revert? |
| 00:58.16 | antivigilante | it saves two cycles per call and causes problems |
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| 00:59.09 | jellow | amphi: can't see anything that says it has or has not been enabled , any keywords so that I can use grep? |
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| 00:59.42 | amphi | grep -i shadow /var/log/Xorg.0.log is what I would do |
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| 01:01.19 | hiexpo | ok booted my live usb and went to do the install > got as far as clicked wlan0 as my interface asked for essid so i entered it than wep code which was none so than it came back with an dhcp error |
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| 01:03.07 | asarch | How do you remove the 'n character left to the "Name" field? http://imgur.com/PXCEq |
| 01:03.49 | mocca | any remote desktop applications in Debian like Teamviewer in windows? |
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| 01:06.53 | jellow | amphi: did not return anything , If i make an xorg.conf do i need the include Device or everything? |
| 01:07.15 | jellow | I screen keyboard ect |
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| 01:08.07 | amphi | jellow: I would think it would mention shadow buffer if it were being used; I would make sure that it is before flailing about in the config |
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| 01:12.47 | zorganae | anyone knows why my laptop's wifi light does not turn off when I press the kill switch, even though the radio itself is disabled? |
| 01:12.52 | zorganae | iwl3945 |
| 01:13.12 | jellow | amphi: If you can be asked here is /var/log/Xorg.0.log , http://pastebin.com/R896Lpx8 |
| 01:13.15 | Makuew | what does blue arrows in htop mean? |
| 01:13.16 | zorganae | it turns off with 2.6.32-5 |
| 01:13.32 | zorganae | and I think I have this problem since at least 2.6.35 |
| 01:13.34 | Makuew | Never seen itb efore today |
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| 01:15.26 | jellow | Makuew: you mean the blue bars ? |
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| 01:16.15 | thepro4ever | how do i install firefox on debian? |
| 01:16.17 | Makuew | | | | | |
| 01:16.19 | Makuew | like this |
| 01:16.26 | amphi | jellow: it would appear that 3d accel is working from that |
| 01:16.43 | Makuew | thepro4ever: apt-get install firefox? |
| 01:16.47 | thepro4ever | how do i install firefox on debian or at least make webservers think my browser is firefox |
| 01:17.18 | BlackFate | thepro4ever, install iceweasel and change your user agent from about:config |
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| 01:17.38 | thepro4ever | BlackFate: how do i change the user agent |
| 01:17.43 | karlpinc | thepro4ever: There's a user agent plugin for firefox/iceweasel I've found very handy..... Hang on. |
| 01:18.01 | Arrowmaster | most servers should think iceweasel is firefox |
| 01:18.02 | BlackFate | thepro4ever, "and change your user agent from about:config" |
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| 01:18.32 | jellow | amphi: how come I have such a terrible fps in glxgears ( 2662 frames in 5.0 seconds = 532.364 FPS |
| 01:18.37 | thepro4ever | BlackFate: i went to about:config but i don't see user agent in that list |
| 01:18.42 | karlpinc | thepro4ever: It's called "user agent switcher" and can be had on the firefox plugin page via mozilla.org. (And works fine with iceweasel.) |
| 01:18.47 | BlackFate | thepro4ever, search for it |
| 01:18.55 | amphi | jellow: dunno |
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| 01:19.06 | thepro4ever | BlackFate: i did, its not there |
| 01:19.15 | karlpinc | thepro4ever: The nice thing about the plugin is that there is also occasion to lie about your os. |
| 01:19.15 | BlackFate | thepro4ever, it is |
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| 01:19.45 | fender0107401 | Hi all, I have a question about the Debian GNU/KFreeBSD. |
| 01:19.45 | Teddy__ | when building an installer iso does any one know what oem-config tasks option does? it's not documented anywhere :( |
| 01:19.50 | fender0107401 | After searching debian |
| 01:20.13 | fender0107401 | After searching debian package list, I found 8.1 freebsd kernel was included in Debian Stable |
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| 01:20.45 | karlpinc | thepro4ever: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/user-agent-switcher/ |
| 01:20.58 | jellow | amphi: thanks for your help perhaps Its just because my computer is olf |
| 01:21.00 | jellow | old |
| 01:21.13 | fender0107401 | My question is if 8.1 freebsd kernel is no longer supported by freebsd officially who will provide security update for 8.1 which is included in Debian Stable? |
| 01:21.21 | karlpinc | jellow: I don't know what your problem is, but old usually works better. |
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| 01:21.26 | amphi | jellow: I don't know if that is slow or not, for that card |
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| 01:21.58 | karlpinc | fender0107401: The security team backports and does not change the release number unless there's incompatibilities introduced. AFAIK. |
| 01:22.07 | jellow | I can't find a site that benchmarks graphics cars with glxgears , shame |
| 01:22.51 | jhutchins_lt | jellow: Intel graphics are known to be fairly reliable in 2d on linux (until recent upgrades on xorg and kms), but have never done great 3d. |
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| 01:23.11 | jhutchins_lt | jellow: (It's one of the ways we know we don't have proprietary drivers for 'em!) |
| 01:23.46 | fender0107401 | you mean backport 8.2? |
| 01:24.08 | jellow | I Miss my old nvidia card , intel have always been a pain |
| 01:24.19 | karlpinc | fender0107401: Backport security related patches that go in to fix all known security issues. |
| 01:24.42 | karlpinc | fender0107401: That would include patches that go into 8.2. (Or whatever.) |
| 01:25.42 | thepro4ever | karlpinc: argggg that broke ice weasel |
| 01:25.52 | thepro4ever | karlpinc: i can't view my sites anymore |
| 01:26.03 | karlpinc | thepro4ever: Humm. It's worked for me, forever. |
| 01:26.28 | thepro4ever | karlpinc: well it says iceweasel is running in offline mode now, how do i bring it online |
| 01:27.04 | CompWizrd | File, Work Offline, if i remember right |
| 01:27.17 | thepro4ever | thanks |
| 01:27.25 | hiexpo | welp can't get over this dhcp error upon the install and searched the wikis and nothing and nobody answer in here so oh well \ |
| 01:27.31 | karlpinc | thepro4ever: I don't suppose you could stop and restart it? That might, possibly, make sense after installing a plugin. (But why?) |
| 01:28.28 | karlpinc | hiexpo: Did you need to install proprietary firmware? |
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| 01:30.22 | hiexpo | karlpinc, went to do the install from the live cd and gotto the interface in which i selected wlan0 my atheros card and than entered the essid of the network to connect to and npo wep so left it blank than it came up with an error dhcp error |
| 01:31.06 | karlpinc | hiexpo: I know nothing of wireless. All I can suggest is following the installation guide. |
| 01:31.51 | hiexpo | karlpinc, well how am i suppose to install it if it don't connectto the net to do the install |
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| 01:32.09 | hiexpo | with out downloading 5 dvds |
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| 01:32.28 | karlpinc | hiexpo: The recommended way is to use the netinstall image. |
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| 01:32.54 | karlpinc | hiexpo: You download only what you need and are left with a system that wants to get software from the net (which is updated) instaed of from dvds (which arn't.) |
| 01:33.02 | maher | anyone want to give me some remedial help with btrfs? btrfs subvolume list /mnt/spare says "ERROR: can't perform the search" - any idea what I'm doing wrong? |
| 01:33.17 | karlpinc | hiexpo: (Of course you can change your software source after install, but that's just another thing to do.) |
| 01:33.22 | hiexpo | oh so this live dvd i downloaded is useless for that |
| 01:33.44 | karlpinc | hiexpo: They are mostly for when you don't have net access, or want to install to lots of boxes, or suchlike. |
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| 01:34.37 | karlpinc | hiexpo: (That's the install dvds. The live dvds are useful for testing, or fixing boxes with broken drives, or such.) |
| 01:34.40 | maher | hiexpo: if you've already downloaded the dvd you migth as well install the packages from it, otherwise you just have to dl them all again |
| 01:34.53 | karlpinc | maher: But he has a live dvd, not an install dvd. |
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| 01:35.15 | hiexpo | well ya thats what i thought and i clicked the debian installer and it went straight to that i was wondering why the dvd was so large but it wanted to connect to the net |
| 01:35.30 | karlpinc | hiexpo: (Although the netinstall has a rescue mode too.) |
| 01:35.41 | maher | hiexpo: karlpinc: nevermind |
| 01:35.45 | karlpinc | hiexpo: You'd have to tell us what you clicked.... |
| 01:36.17 | hiexpo | i clicked the debian installer from the desktop in the live system |
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| 01:37.19 | Arrowmaster | wild guess but im thinking the majority of the people in this channel have never even touched the live cd/dvds |
| 01:37.22 | karlpinc | hiexpo: Ah. That's why it went straight to the net. (I've heard that some have problems installing from alive cd, but hand't dealt with them first hand.) |
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| 01:38.35 | karlpinc | hiexpo: The link in the graphic in the upper right of debian.org will download a combo 32/64bit netinstaller, but if you know whether you've a 32 or 64 bit system you could download something half that big. |
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| 01:39.05 | hiexpo | ok yes i have a 32 bit system |
| 01:39.32 | karlpinc | hiexpo: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.0-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 01:39.57 | Pavlz | hello |
| 01:40.15 | karlpinc | hiexpo: It'll also boot off a usb key. (Again, read the install guide for details.) |
| 01:40.28 | Pavlz | is there a GNU/linux Deb-Ian for cpu intel socket7 133 Mhz ? |
| 01:41.14 | dvs | Pavlz: 386 |
| 01:41.38 | hiexpo | ok yes thats what i need it to do is boot from usb just wil cp it to usb |
| 01:41.41 | Pavlz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.53 | Pavlz | yes, classic 386 |
| 01:42.09 | Pavlz | i need that one ! |
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| 01:42.27 | hiexpo | Pavlz, click that link |
| 01:42.47 | Pavlz | which link ? |
| 01:43.07 | hiexpo | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.0-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 01:44.15 | hiexpo | karlpinc, how big is that iso ? |
| 01:44.37 | Pavlz | are you sure that can supports a GNU/linux Debian Squeeze ? |
| 01:44.50 | Pavlz | it is a old socket7 133 mhz |
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| 01:45.57 | hiexpo | it's a 32 bit |
| 01:45.57 | zzeezz | ftyt |
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| 01:47.35 | hiexpo | 189 megs ok |
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| 01:48.13 | jnewt | anyone use mdadm here? |
| 01:48.21 | dvs | !ask |
| 01:48.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 01:48.29 | boota2 | jnewt i tried once. |
| 01:48.36 | boota2 | ened with FAIL |
| 01:48.38 | boota2 | *ended |
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| 01:50.15 | jnewt | i find it unbelievably difficult to understand how to use it beyond setup. why is there md, md0, md1, md10, md2 created for one raid1 array |
| 01:50.31 | jnewt | md2 being the only one i can mount |
| 01:50.50 | boota2 | how do you create it |
| 01:50.54 | boota2 | gimme all ze commands |
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| 01:52.31 | jnewt | it's been a year, i can't give you all the commands. i can't even figure out which of the physical disks are supposed to be in the array. |
| 01:52.55 | jnewt | it shows one active / sync, one removed, status is degraded. |
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| 01:54.56 | jnewt | i have 4 physical disks in my computer, 1 250gb, 1 320gb, and 2 500gb, boot is on the 250gb, sdc1 partition. sdb shows as 500gb, sdd shows as 320gb, and the other 500gb is lost in neverland |
| 01:55.28 | jnewt | but maybe it's the failed device in the raid array, but i don't know which 500gb it is. |
| 01:56.59 | jnewt | so how do i find the missing disk? |
| 01:57.03 | dvs | jnewt: i'd guess that it would be sda |
| 01:57.31 | dvs | jnewt: but fdisk -L will tell you |
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| 01:58.27 | jnewt | that's how i found sdb (1,2,4,5,6) , sdc (1,2,5) , sdd (1) , md (0,1,10,2) |
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| 01:59.11 | jnewt | it also shows me that md (0,1,10,2) all lack a valid parition table. |
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| 02:00.57 | jnewt | i believe i have a failed disk. but i have no idea how to locate and test it safely |
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| 02:02.27 | dvs | jnewt: The failed disk should be the one that doesn't show up in fdisk |
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| 02:04.12 | jnewt | dvs: how do i tie what i see in fdisk, to what i actually see looking in the computer? |
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| 02:06.14 | ranix | jnewt: look in /sys/bus/scsi/devices |
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| 02:06.40 | jnewt | it shows 3 disks |
| 02:06.41 | ranix | for each scsi drive there will be an address like 0:0:0:0 or 1:0:0:0 |
| 02:06.48 | jnewt | 1,3,4 |
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| 02:08.17 | ranix | the failed drive is the one that doesn't appear |
| 02:08.23 | ranix | probably 2 |
| 02:08.37 | jnewt | agreed, how do i locate "2" |
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| 02:09.06 | ranix | are the drives identical? |
| 02:09.12 | jnewt | yup |
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| 02:09.50 | ranix | the drives should be enumerated in order when the machine boots, the failed drive should be plugged into the second physical port |
| 02:09.53 | ranix | should be marked sata1 |
| 02:09.54 | jellow | I'm trying to black list a module , added an entery in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf yet a reboot later it still shows up in lsmod |
| 02:10.11 | ranix | or maybe sata2 if there is no sata0 |
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| 02:11.20 | ranix | jnewt: you could also use smartctl -i /dev/sd* |
| 02:11.46 | ranix | jnewt: and the dead drive is the one that has a serial number uou don't see |
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| 02:12.12 | ranix | jnewt: smartctl -i /dev/sd* | grep "Serial Number" |
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| 02:13.21 | jnewt | ah, that's the ticket! thanks ranix! |
| 02:13.37 | ranix | np ;) |
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| 02:15.46 | Guest15319 | Hey guys. I have a directory here with a collection of .deb files not from any repo and I am wondering if anyone knows if there is a way I can see what deb(s) contain a specific file |
| 02:16.37 | jellow | Guest15319: -x extract ? |
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| 02:17.09 | Guest15319 | jellow: thanks |
| 02:17.12 | jellow | Guest15319: dpkg -x , look at the man pages |
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| 02:18.00 | un214 | how can I install lxde *without* changing default to it? |
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| 02:19.02 | Guest15319 | wtf. I am trying to change my nick (which I don't know why it was unset since I own my nick via nickserv) and I keep getting lines like "##networking Cannot change nickname while banned on channel" |
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| 02:22.12 | Ahoalton | hello |
| 02:22.18 | penrod | greetings, what is the major difference between ext3 and ext4 ? |
| 02:22.31 | Ahoalton | I have a problem that I can't seem to find in documentation |
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| 02:23.05 | pyrophelia | how do I update the IP on eth0? I typed ifconfig eth0 down then up but it kept the old IP |
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| 02:23.11 | un214 | how to tell apt to install this package and all recommends except for recommends rooted in these two |
| 02:23.33 | un214 | apt-get install lxde but not gksu or gdm |
| 02:25.18 | Ahoalton | I got almost all the way through the install and it asks where to put the MBR |
| 02:25.24 | Ahoalton | I want to put it on the Ext HD that I installed Debian to, but I didn't know which command to put it the box |
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| 02:30.24 | Ahoalton | can anyone help me |
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| 02:33.38 | jellow | trying to blacklist i915 yet after adding to /etc/modprobe.d an rebooting it still there |
| 02:33.48 | nkuttler | Ahoalton: um, can your bios boot from that hd? |
| 02:33.54 | Ahoalton | yeah |
| 02:34.06 | Ahoalton | I've done it on another distro before |
| 02:34.19 | Ahoalton | it gave me options but I didn't know what to put in |
| 02:34.28 | nkuttler | Ahoalton: doesn't the installer list your disks/partitions so that you can pick where to install grub? |
| 02:34.31 | nkuttler | ah |
| 02:34.34 | Ahoalton | yeah |
| 02:34.38 | nkuttler | Ahoalton: are you still in the installer? |
| 02:34.42 | Ahoalton | but the actual MBR it wants to do it |
| 02:34.44 | Ahoalton | no |
| 02:34.48 | Ahoalton | I only have one computer |
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| 02:34.51 | un214 | jellow: you need to rebuild initramfs |
| 02:34.55 | nkuttler | Ahoalton: what have you done then? |
| 02:35.06 | Ahoalton | I canceled it and came to ask here |
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| 02:35.13 | nkuttler | Ahoalton: .. |
| 02:35.16 | un214 | jellow: update-initramfs -m |
| 02:35.20 | Ahoalton | I looked on the site |
| 02:35.22 | nkuttler | that was the last step of the install |
| 02:35.26 | Ahoalton | through toe documentation |
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| 02:35.37 | jellow | un214: i did that oddly , I did sudo update-initramfs -u |
| 02:35.38 | Ahoalton | I belive it was the last step or close to it |
| 02:35.45 | Ahoalton | it installed everything else |
| 02:35.51 | nkuttler | Ahoalton: did you write down the choices? |
| 02:36.07 | Ahoalton | bashes head against keyboard |
| 02:36.09 | Ahoalton | no I didn't |
| 02:36.13 | nkuttler | yeah |
| 02:36.22 | un214 | jellow: is i915 a video driver |
| 02:36.34 | jellow | un214: yes |
| 02:36.40 | nkuttler | Ahoalton: well.. do you know how to use the grub shell? |
| 02:36.47 | Ahoalton | the what? |
| 02:36.55 | un214 | jellow: blacklist of video drivers doesn't work. alias i195 to off |
| 02:37.00 | Ahoalton | I'm not a complete noob to linux, but ltill pretty close |
| 02:37.03 | Ahoalton | stilll* |
| 02:37.10 | nkuttler | Ahoalton: well, not sure how to help you then thb |
| 02:37.23 | Ahoalton | what do you eman the grub shell? |
| 02:37.31 | nkuttler | Ahoalton: i would just boot the box from cd, maybe you'd need supergrub |
| 02:37.33 | Ahoalton | I don't know my terminology real well |
| 02:37.41 | nkuttler | and then install grub manually.. |
| 02:37.45 | Ahoalton | I was booting from a CD |
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| 02:37.52 | Ahoalton | trying to install to my ext HD |
| 02:38.12 | jellow | un214: If i do this will it drop me into a tty or panic? |
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| 02:38.29 | un214 | jellow: it drops you into a tty assuming vgaconsole works on your box |
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| 02:38.42 | un214 | jellow: if it doesn't work you get black screen but can ssh in |
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| 02:39.09 | oOarthurOo | jellow, are you still working on your intel / i915 thing? |
| 02:39.23 | jellow | oOarthurOo: Not given up yet |
| 02:39.31 | Ahoalton | any ideas nkuttler? |
| 02:40.29 | nkuttler | Ahoalton: not if you don't remember the choices |
| 02:41.11 | Ahoalton | what do hd0, hd1 mean? |
| 02:41.17 | nkuttler | Ahoalton: what you can actually do next time is go to a shell, and use mount to figure which hd you're installing to |
| 02:41.17 | oOarthurOo | Jellow when you use the intel driver, the i915 module is still loaded to provide drm |
| 02:41.23 | nkuttler | oh right, grub syntax.. |
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| 02:41.48 | Ahoalton | how do I go to the shell |
| 02:41.55 | nkuttler | Ahoalton: get yourself a supergrub cd and use that to boot into the debian install |
| 02:41.56 | Ahoalton | I was doning the graphical install |
| 02:42.25 | Ahoalton | will you explain the supergrub and will I have to use it everytime I want to run debian? |
| 02:42.41 | nkuttler | Ahoalton: no, once you're in debian install an irc client and come back |
| 02:42.53 | Ahoalton | I can't get in debian! |
| 02:43.05 | nkuttler | Ahoalton: .... that's why you need supergrub |
| 02:43.09 | Ahoalton | so is the supergrub a one time thing? |
| 02:43.22 | nkuttler | Ahoalton: yes |
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| 02:43.28 | un214 | how to I tell update-alternatives to user /usr/bin/firefox for web browser? |
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| 02:43.45 | timewriter | hi |
| 02:44.14 | Ahoalton | so I boot from the supergrub disc? how does that fix the MBR problem |
| 02:44.19 | jellow | oOarthurOo: can't i810 do that |
| 02:44.28 | nkuttler | Ahoalton: it does not. read what i told you |
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| 02:44.43 | oOarthurOo | jellow, what does this say: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep driver | grep Loading |
| 02:45.01 | Ahoalton | what you told me, Idon't understand |
| 02:45.52 | nkuttler | Ahoalton: 1. boot into debian with supergrub. 2. come back here |
| 02:45.59 | Anthro | I have exim4 running on my Debian server and it is successfully sending and receiving mail (receiving via fetchmail, sending through my ISP). It is configured to accept mail from the LAN, and I can manually telnet to it from another machine and go through EHLO and QUIT. I'm trying to set up mutt and ssmtp on a machine to go through my server, but I need help with it. Right now I get "Error sending message, child exited 127 (Exec erro |
| 02:45.59 | Anthro | r.)." Help? |
| 02:46.01 | timewriter | is debian gnome live cd enough to install ? |
| 02:46.09 | jellow | oOarthurOo: intel_drv.so vesa_drv.so fbdev_drv.so |
| 02:46.11 | timewriter | or do i need additional discs ? |
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| 02:46.29 | Ahoalton | where I am I don't have high speed and debian isn't compatible with my winmodem |
| 02:46.46 | nkuttler | Ahoalton: how did you install then? |
| 02:47.16 | oOarthurOo | jellow, there you go. You're using the best driver available for your video card. |
| 02:47.16 | Anthro | Oh, foo, it's segfaulting. |
| 02:47.37 | Ahoalton | with the DVD iso |
| 02:47.43 | Ahoalton | I downloaded elsewhere |
| 02:47.58 | nkuttler | Ahoalton: i see. i give up then |
| 02:48.27 | Ahoalton | would unplugging my Hard drives from inside my computer force it to utomatically place the MBR on my ext HD? |
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| 02:49.12 | oOarthurOo | jellow you're doing so many things wrong it's hard to know where to start. glxgears isn't a benchmark. and blacklisting a module won't prevent it from being loaded later on, for instance when xorg starts up and the intel driver asks the system "can we do 3d?" and the system says "sure, let me load i915" |
| 02:49.49 | EZmoney | <Ahoalton> only if you unplug it before the install and only if you tell it too |
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| 02:50.11 | un214 | oOartuhrOo: ah yes but aliasing it to off will |
| 02:50.16 | un214 | I had to do that long ago |
| 02:50.28 | EZmoney | <Ahoalton> is it a live DVD or install DVD |
| 02:51.05 | Ahoalton | I believe its an install DVD how do I check? |
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| 02:51.14 | nkuttler | EZmoney: install. no network, windmodem |
| 02:51.17 | Ahoalton | I downloaded the torrent |
| 02:51.28 | Ahoalton | is a network necessary |
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| 02:51.40 | Ahoalton | and I plan on taking my HD other places to use it |
| 02:51.41 | EZmoney | does it start a installer on boot up or boot into the desktop? |
| 02:52.07 | Ahoalton | dunno let me try |
| 02:52.16 | Ahoalton | I just booted from it to install to HD |
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| 02:52.45 | Ahoalton | its the installer DVE |
| 02:53.00 | jellow | oOarthurOo: I'm not particulay well informed when it comes graphics cards or the internals of linux , Just trying to find a way to get my old fps thought perhaps loading the old driver would work |
| 02:53.29 | EZmoney | ok then I would reinstall it again and install grub to mbr also you have to select booting the external drive in the bois |
| 02:53.36 | nkuttler | jellow: what kind of card do you have? |
| 02:54.02 | phorce1 | un214: follow along, it's convoluted. "update-alternatives --install x-www-browser x-www-browser /usr/bin/firefox 5" |
| 02:54.21 | Ahoalton | I thought I did all that EZmoney til the end |
| 02:54.30 | jellow | nkuttler: 82915G/GV/910GL Integrated Graphics |
| 02:54.31 | Ahoalton | I'll try it again tomorrow and write the problem screen down |
| 02:54.33 | Ahoalton | thanks |
| 02:54.36 | EZmoney | ok |
| 02:54.36 | phorce1 | un214: then "update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" and select /usr/bin/firefox |
| 02:54.37 | jellow | nkuttler: intel |
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| 02:55.30 | un214 | phorce1: thank you |
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| 02:56.14 | phorce1 | it has to be added to the index of possible alternatives before it can be selected |
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| 02:57.04 | avb | guys, does anybody knows if gnome 2.32 will be build for debian or team will be concentrated on 3.0? |
| 02:57.24 | un214 | I just keep iceweasel on my system to keep package dependencies working |
| 02:57.32 | un214 | I never actually use it |
| 02:58.18 | un214 | unfixed bug not in stock firefox |
| 03:00.07 | Gm4n | is there anything stopping me from adding multiple disks at once to a mdadm raid5? |
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| 03:01.51 | dvs | Gm4n: No, but they should be the same size. |
| 03:03.58 | Gm4n | dvs: yep, I just have 4 disks in my raid5 right now, and 3 more that I'm about to add |
| 03:04.18 | tonytraductor | running an IRC server from your home server is no fun if nobody logs in to chat for a spell |
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| 03:04.42 | Gm4n | tonytraductor: get all your friends to join? :P |
| 03:05.03 | dvs | Gm4n: Well, raid5 will only take three drives. The fourth drive will be a spare. You could make another raid5 with the other three drives. |
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| 03:06.32 | Gm4n | dvs: why is that? raid 5 has no theoretical maximum for disk count |
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| 03:07.19 | dvs | Gm4n: no, but any disk you add after three will be considered a spare. They wont be used until one of the first three drives fails. |
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| 03:07.55 | stones_ | Hello, I have a fresh install of debian and having loads of trouble. |
| 03:08.14 | stones_ | I am trying to install screen using 'apt-get install screen' and am getting a bunch of errors... am I missing something? |
| 03:08.57 | Gm4n | dvs: You're totally sure I can't grow the array after? I find references to people on the internet using 6 drives in a single raid5 |
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| 03:09.08 | indecipherable | stones_:have you configured apt? |
| 03:09.38 | dvs | Gm4n: I couldn't imagine how that would work. Anyone else? |
| 03:09.41 | tonytraductor | none of my IRL friends, it seems, use IRC, or even know what the heck it is...lusers... |
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| 03:09.59 | stones_ | Actually, that worked |
| 03:10.00 | tonytraductor | this computer is my only friend...I'm going to go eat worms... |
| 03:10.08 | stones_ | The problem is, this seems to be a very minimal installation of screen |
| 03:10.11 | Gm4n | dvs: mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sdx1, mdadm --grow /dev/md0 --raid-devices=7 |
| 03:10.12 | stones_ | of debian* |
| 03:10.13 | tonytraductor | 1 guy stopped in yesterday a bit, a fellow tcl hacker |
| 03:10.17 | Gm4n | then grow the filesystem |
| 03:10.23 | stones_ | I used a server before where all of this was pre-installed |
| 03:10.42 | stones_ | I know on CentOS, they have "BASE" which comes with the common apps |
| 03:10.53 | stones_ | Is there a way I can install all of the basic commands with debian? |
| 03:12.13 | simonrvn | pastebin all the erros you got when you tried installing screen |
| 03:12.33 | simonrvn | stones_: ^^ |
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| 03:12.44 | stones_ | Is there a way I can install all the basic commands? |
| 03:12.51 | stones_ | This template doesnt seem to have much at all |
| 03:13.04 | stones_ | I know with CentOS you can use yum to install base |
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| 03:13.19 | stew | stones_: perhaps "tasksel install standard" |
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| 03:13.58 | simonrvn | suspects stones_ didn't finish the installation |
| 03:13.59 | stones_ | http://pastebin.com/qkkW42wq |
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| 03:14.14 | stones_ | Screen seems to have installed, but I see a bunch of errors during the install |
| 03:14.33 | stones_ | -bash: tasksel: command not found |
| 03:14.42 | simonrvn | you haven't set up a locale yet |
| 03:15.02 | stew | stones_: aptitude install locales ~prequired ~pimportant ~pstandard |
| 03:15.19 | simonrvn | yeh, good call ;) |
| 03:15.20 | stew | if there is no tasksel installed that is quite odd |
| 03:15.37 | stones_ | http://pastebin.com/CxD5Btqt |
| 03:15.55 | stones_ | This is a Xen template, which seems to be very basic |
| 03:16.03 | stones_ | any idea why I am getting all these errors? |
| 03:16.06 | stew | stones_: yes |
| 03:16.13 | stew | stones_: because you don't have locales installed |
| 03:16.18 | stew | stones_: aptitude install locales ~prequired ~pimportant ~pstandard |
| 03:16.30 | stones_ | ah ok |
| 03:16.33 | stones_ | Running the command now |
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| 03:17.36 | simonrvn | eh. your provider didn't finish... it looks like. "template"? |
| 03:18.04 | stones_ | Ok, its done |
| 03:18.10 | stones_ | what should I do now? |
| 03:18.14 | stew | enjoy? |
| 03:18.25 | stew | stones_: did it ask you to select a default locale? |
| 03:18.40 | stones_ | I removed screen and re-installed it |
| 03:18.42 | stones_ | but still errors |
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| 03:18.48 | stones_ | No, asked nothing |
| 03:18.49 | stew | stones_: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 03:18.52 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure locales and set some |
| 03:19.11 | stew | stones_: you must have you debconf level set pretty high, I'd recommend "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" and set it to medium |
| 03:19.51 | stones_ | Can I select all? |
| 03:20.06 | simonrvn | i wouldn't. only ones you'll use. |
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| 03:20.13 | stew | stones_: you can but it is a waste of time and disk space |
| 03:20.30 | stones_ | I need one for chinese :) |
| 03:20.34 | stones_ | Which one is that? |
| 03:21.00 | simonrvn | should be in the list. probably near the botom, for zh-* |
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| 03:21.23 | simonrvn | bott* |
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| 03:25.37 | DonG | Hi, want to install debian from netinstall cd/dvd, what to set up raid1 at the same time, do I need to do expert install to get the options I'll need? |
| 03:26.09 | magyar | is there a way to get the copy speed from console? |
| 03:27.06 | stones_ | How would I install php/nginx/mysql under debian? |
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| 03:27.18 | karlpinc | DonG: You'd have to see the install guide. My guess would be yes, but that's a guess. |
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| 03:28.06 | DonG | karlpinc: thanks. I've done this before, just don't recall how I did it. |
| 03:28.22 | karlpinc | DonG: Never hurts to use expert mode. |
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| 03:29.29 | karlpinc | stones_: aptitude install ... ? |
| 03:29.46 | karlpinc | magyar: What's a "copy speed"? |
| 03:29.50 | stones_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.38 | karlpinc | stones_: That's one of the encodings. There's various way of encoding Chinese characters in binary and I don't know any details. |
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| 03:30.56 | DonG | karlpinc: yip, that's what I'm doing. I'm sure it's an option after formatting iirc |
| 03:31.11 | DonG | I really need to build more debian machines! |
| 03:31.32 | karlpinc | DonG: I find apt-cacher (or it's friends) useful. |
| 03:31.49 | stones_ | The locales are for what exactly? Are these like repos or something? |
| 03:31.50 | magyar | karlpinc: copy speed, is the speed in kB or mB transferred between drive a to drive b |
| 03:32.33 | karlpinc | magyar: You could use "time", or benchmark the drives with bonnie++. |
| 03:33.45 | magyar | my USB transfer on squeeze is so crappy, it takes an hour to copy 4gB of data from harrdive to usb2 |
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| 03:33.55 | karlpinc | stones_: Locales are ways of storing and displaying non-ASCII charsets, as well as entry methods (keymaps, right-to-left, etc.) |
| 03:34.09 | magyar | plus my CPU is topping out |
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| 03:34.37 | karlpinc | magyar: Flash sucks for write performance, in general. Some filesystems can mitigate this. |
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| 03:35.15 | magyar | karlpinc: i have an 8GB flash formated with vfat 32 lba |
| 03:35.26 | karlpinc | magyar: vmstat for an overview. ps for details. |
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| 03:35.41 | DonG | karlpinc: I find squid quite helpful too, but at present I confess I'm just running right off the net as I just replace the fw with a Mikrotik router and haven't figured how to config the http proxy yet to point at the nix box |
| 03:36.04 | DonG | I'm still cleaning up from an earth quake 5 months ago |
| 03:37.29 | karlpinc | magyar: It's hard to believe vfat is good for anything. But in general you may need better flash. (Ideally you get one that allows you to use a filesystem designed for flash, where the fs does wear-leveling and not the hardware.) I bet if you used a fs with a 4k blocksize, and were able to align in properly you'd find your write performance would more than double. But I've not tried it. |
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| 03:38.13 | karlpinc | magyar: It's probably not possible to get a usb stick without hardware wear leveling. |
| 03:38.25 | magyar | hmm |
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| 03:40.24 | thepro4ever | how do i run a .deb package |
| 03:40.25 | mister_m | where do I get libSDL-1.2.so.0 ? |
| 03:40.28 | karlpinc | magyar: I can't say why the cpu is topping out. There may be tunable parameters, somewhere, that would help with vfat. Or not. Dunno. Something like telling the OS to flush in 4K blocks.... |
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| 03:40.46 | karlpinc | thepro4ever: Did you get the user agent switcher plugin to work? |
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| 03:40.50 | froggyman | Is there a package to do replaygain in Debian? |
| 03:40.57 | JasonWoof | thepro4ever: you can install the contents of one like so: sudo dpkg --install foo.deb |
| 03:41.13 | karlpinc | thepro4ever: Or better, use gdebi. |
| 03:41.16 | thepro4ever | karlpinc: yes sir i did |
| 03:41.23 | karlpinc | thepro4ever: What was the trick? |
| 03:41.29 | thepro4ever | karlpinc: that user agent addon was a pro tip |
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| 03:41.41 | karlpinc | thepro4ever: Except it broke your browser. |
| 03:41.53 | mister_m | I am trying to get dwarf fortress to run but it can't find libSDL-1.2.so.0. where can I get it? |
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| 03:42.31 | magyar | karlpinc: i gave up, i talked to some guys here and everyone can copy to usb stick in reasonable amount, like 56 minutes for 4gB, me on the other hand an hour |
| 03:43.13 | karlpinc | magyar: ? An hour is 4 minutes longer than 56 minutes. |
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| 03:43.51 | karlpinc | magyar: You could try asking again later. Someone else might know more. |
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| 03:45.06 | mister_m | how do I search aptitude for libSDL-1.2.so.0 |
| 03:45.16 | karlpinc | !tell mister_m about search |
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| 03:47.09 | karlpinc | magyar: How did you mount the stick? |
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| 03:47.12 | mister_m | karlpinc: I already searched for it, it doesn't show up |
| 03:47.21 | mister_m | karlpinc: undert hat name' |
| 03:47.25 | karlpinc | mister_m: You tried apt-file? |
| 03:47.37 | magyar | karlpinc: kde, console, you name it |
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| 03:51.18 | mister_m | karlpinc: no because it is not installed |
| 03:51.39 | mister_m | karlpinc: by default |
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| 03:53.05 | karlpinc | mister_m: You could try installing it. |
| 03:53.08 | karlpinc | !tell mister_m about apt-file |
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| 03:56.46 | mister_m | karlpinc: it says it is in libsdl1.2debian-all, but I already have that installed |
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| 04:04.34 | JasonWoof | aptitude seems to think there are no packages in unstable/main... everything I have installed shows under obsolete/local. Anybody know what's up? |
| 04:05.20 | JasonWoof | oop, nm, that last update fixed it |
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| 04:13.05 | Corin | How do I access my LOIC via Debian? |
| 04:13.39 | Corin | Oh wait. |
| 04:13.40 | Corin | xD |
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| 04:18.28 | Frenk | Hello, I would like to know, if Debian 6 is more secure then Ubuntu 10.04 LTS - I know it depends on my skills, but nevertheless the Ubuntu server does have AppArmour and afaik Debian not ... (It will be a mail=server) |
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| 04:19.42 | mister_m | could someone tell me why this is happening? http://pastebin.com/yPvzhXmx |
| 04:20.09 | mister_m | I am pretty sure /usr/lib is correctly in my path |
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| 04:22.23 | Teddy | is any one familiar with preseeding? I've written a valid seed file and changed the boot options, but the seed file is just being ignored wholesale |
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| 04:36.52 | JasonWoof | mister_m: what do you get for this command: file "`readlink -f /usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0`" |
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| 04:38.31 | JasonWoof | mister_m: and, btw, $PATH is not used for finding libraries, only for programs |
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| 04:39.19 | mister_m | JasonWoof: /usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0.11.3: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped |
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| 04:40.36 | JasonWoof | mister_m: looks good. I'm stumped |
| 04:40.56 | mister_m | JasonWoof: what a bummer. people say the actual game is hard and I can't even get it running |
| 04:41.34 | JasonWoof | mister_m: does it need sdlimage or sdlmixer or sdlttf? |
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| 04:42.43 | mister_m | JasonWoof: I'm guessing it probably does need more stuff, but I have the libsdl1.2debian-all |
| 04:42.47 | mister_m | package |
| 04:43.15 | mister_m | and it should be finding libSDL-1.2.so.0 and then the others |
| 04:43.44 | JasonWoof | mister_m: oh, that just gives you support for all sound systems |
| 04:44.51 | karlpinc | mister_m: You could try running ldd on the binary; perhaps "man ld.so" would help? |
| 04:45.21 | mister_m | karlpinc: ldd shows notfound for all the SDL stuff |
| 04:45.53 | mister_m | JasonWoof: apt-file search points to libsdl1.2debian-all |
| 04:46.26 | nsadmin | maybe installing the sdl libs would help? |
| 04:47.21 | mister_m | nsadmin: i A libsdl1.2debian |
| 04:47.28 | JasonWoof | mister_m: try: sudo apt-get install libsdl-image1.2 |
| 04:47.55 | mister_m | JasonWoof: have it already |
| 04:48.00 | nsadmin | if you're running a less-than-stable debian, note that deps and other types of connections might not all be working properly |
| 04:48.04 | JasonWoof | mister_m: you running 32 bit or 64-bit? |
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| 04:48.24 | mister_m | JasonWoof: 64 |
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| 04:49.05 | mister_m | JasonWoof: actually that might be the problem |
| 04:50.03 | mister_m | JasonWoof: "On 24 December, 2008 Toady released the first native Linux version of Dwarf Fortress. It is compiled for 32-bit environments, however, and may not run under 64-bit environments without additional libraries, depending on the Linux distribution." |
| 04:50.55 | mister_m | I could install the 32bit libs |
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| 04:51.28 | JasonWoof | yeah, I think you'll have to. |
| 04:51.38 | JasonWoof | mister_m: this page says how to just unpack them locally: |
| 04:52.00 | JasonWoof | mister_m: http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/40d:System_requirements#Ubuntu.2FKubuntu |
| 04:52.17 | JasonWoof | (and by "locally" I mean ind the dwarf fortress folder) |
| 04:53.26 | mister_m | JasonWoof: right |
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| 04:56.20 | mister_m | JasonWoof: I should have checked that first I guess |
| 04:56.29 | mister_m | JasonWoof: lesson learned |
| 04:57.12 | JasonWoof | shrugs |
| 04:57.44 | mister_m | I wonder if I should have stayed on the 32bit install |
| 04:58.17 | nsadmin | well presently it's not possible to go from one to the other without full wipe and install |
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| 05:13.57 | JasonWoof | nsadmin: is that something that's likely to be possible in the next 5 years? |
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| 05:40.06 | sedulous | I've got a packaging question. I want to package a Java application which is already available as a precompiled .jar archive. Should my source package compile it on its own nevertheless even though it seems redundant? |
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| 05:51.14 | Fudge | how in debian do you perform a, form ubuntu add-apt-repository |
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| 06:02.13 | ultra420 | the host is debian,the vbox is xp |
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| 06:14.59 | jnewt | i'm thinking about implementing lvm to ease the pains of gradual drive size increases, as discussed here: http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_lvm however, assuming i'm backing up the lvm to external devices, or even a second lvm on another box, what happens when one of the drives fails, and you need to restore only one drive from the system, how do you know what goes there? or do you just restore the lv? |
| 06:15.33 | Fudge | is speakup in the debian repositries now? |
| 06:15.53 | macrobat | !pdo |
| 06:15.53 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for Debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/ in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 06:16.33 | brbrbr | why not "!rtfm" or just "get off!"? :) |
| 06:16.51 | macrobat | that would be rude and un-debian-like |
| 06:17.43 | macrobat | jnewt: you want the logical volumes to span more than one disk? |
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| 06:17.51 | brbrbr | thats actually my point |
| 06:17.54 | brbrbr | both was |
| 06:18.13 | Fudge | dpkg ty :D |
| 06:18.13 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Fudge |
| 06:18.29 | jnewt | macrobat: yeah, i am planning to create 1 volume like in that article, from 2 500gb and 1 1tb volume |
| 06:21.03 | macrobat | i guess it would be easier to restore when vg, lv and files do not span disks |
| 06:21.06 | jnewt | vgcreate fileserver /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 /dev/sde1 or something along those lines |
| 06:21.37 | jnewt | if the lv don't span volumes, i see no point |
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| 06:23.47 | karlpinc | jnewt: Generally you backup filesystems. lvm just makes volume managment easier, and reduces downtime. |
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| 06:24.34 | jnewt | i use rsync to do incremental backups right now, seems to be working ok, saved me once already. |
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| 06:25.15 | karlpinc | jnewt: Rsync rocks, with hard links. |
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| 06:26.00 | jnewt | i'm just a bit confused about the restoring part. say a drive dies. the the volume group either shrinks gracefully, only loosing whatever it had on that one volume, or completely craps out. |
| 06:26.23 | macrobat | you can have it your way too, when restoring, you would need to make a large enough volume to hold the lv |
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| 06:26.51 | karlpinc | jnewt: A drive dies it's content is gone, and all the lvms that use any pvs that are on the drive. |
| 06:27.06 | karlpinc | jnewt: So one drive lost can take out lots of others. |
| 06:27.18 | karlpinc | jnewt: Hence, raid/backup. |
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| 06:28.00 | macrobat | means more work to recreate stuff |
| 06:29.10 | karlpinc | macrobat: Not exactly. Perhaps longer because there's more data to restore. If you worry about that you use raid to ensure you can lose a drive. |
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| 06:32.00 | jnewt | karlpinc, yeah, i have two mirrored drives now, that are then backed up, but the problem is, if i wanted to go raid5, i don't like that it always goes with the smallest drive, if i've got 2 500gb and 1 250gb in raid 5, i end up with 500gb, which is a horrible waste in my eyes. |
| 06:32.32 | karlpinc | jnewt: And raid5 is slow on write. Tradeoffs everywhere. |
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| 06:33.24 | jnewt | shoudl be faster than raid1 though right? |
| 06:33.31 | jnewt | but slower than 0 |
| 06:33.32 | karlpinc | jnewt: But you don't have to raid whole drives, you can raid partitions. (Of course you want to be sane and have them on different drives.) Then you can stick the partitions back together again with lvm. |
| 06:34.41 | karlpinc | jnewt: No. Raid5 write is slower than raid1 write. It has to read so it can caculate the, uh, not-exactly-checksum it puts on the "extra" drive. |
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| 06:35.43 | diverse | !dmm |
| 06:35.43 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 06:35.46 | karlpinc | jnewt: Anyway, so if you've 250G left over on some drive you can raid that with a 250G partition on another drive. |
| 06:35.53 | karlpinc | !tell diverse about overview |
| 06:35.53 | diverse | !dmm squeeze |
| 06:36.13 | karlpinc | diverse: There's some dmm related info on the referenced page. Some don't like the quality of dmm. |
| 06:36.39 | diverse | What's a better way to have ffmpeg convert .flv -> .mp3 ? |
| 06:38.08 | karlpinc | (or maybe it is a checksum. My brain is full.) |
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| 06:42.54 | macrobat | diverse: ffmpeg -i on the file to see bitrates. then see manpage |
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| 07:31.22 | oOarthurOo | vooze better than the upgrade notes in the release notes you mean? |
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| 07:36.18 | VenturiDebian | good morning |
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| 07:37.17 | _pingu | http://www.regular-expressions.info/email.html which qr separator can I use for the last but one regex? qr|| or qr{} ..? |
| 07:37.37 | _pingu | sorry, wrong channel |
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| 07:43.24 | paulfm | can anyone tell me how I keep my Maildir tmp dirs cleaned up? |
| 07:43.34 | phorce1 | on my lenny machine I plug in a 2GB SD card. I start copying LOTS of small files to the card. when I reach 128 files in the root it tells me the card is full. Why? It should be default formatted as FAT32, right? |
| 07:43.36 | paulfm | I have 2million items in a tmp dir. |
| 07:44.32 | paulfm | 2,000,000 - I didnt think that was even possible |
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| 07:46.39 | CruX| | hello all, is it possible to run network QOS on multiple CPU/cores ? |
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| 07:54.43 | arossouw | hi, i found some old linux boxes with debian etch, is it still possible to upgrade to squeeze, or would most of the files have been removed |
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| 08:12.02 | quentusrex | Anyone have some ideas why I can use dig to look up a domain, and it works. but 'curl google.com' fails to resolve. |
| 08:12.32 | quentusrex | it fails with: curl: (7) couldn't connect to host |
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| 08:15.21 | EyesIsMine|iPod | Would http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/barebones/Novatech/BB-674GB4.html be suitable fir running Debian? |
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| 08:20.37 | jelly-home | EyesIsMine|iPod: considering the oldish chipset, it's reasonable to expect Linux will run on it |
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| 08:21.12 | SlayerXP | quentusrex: " couldn't connect to host" is no way means that same things as "I can look up the domain" |
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| 08:22.30 | quentusrex | SlayerXP, so, I'm able to do a dns lookup and resolve the domain. but any curl or wget request times out. |
| 08:22.40 | quentusrex | I've disabled iptables but no luck. |
| 08:22.55 | SlayerXP | quentusrex: yes, one is a DNS lookup, the other is a TCP socket connection request. |
| 08:23.03 | quentusrex | yes, I'm aware. |
| 08:23.20 | quentusrex | I say it so that you know there is 'some' network connection working. |
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| 08:48.19 | ttiicc | I have been working with mysql for a time and now that I migrated my mysql server to debian there's no workbench in the packages repository? wonder if someone in here knows why that package is missing? |
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| 08:50.05 | fenugreek | ttiicc: http://agrarianresearch.org/blog/?p=217 ? etc.: http://www.google.com/search?q=mysql%20workbench%20debian |
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| 08:51.57 | ttiicc | fenugreek: thanks, but wonder why it's not in the package repositories? |
| 08:52.38 | greenmang0 | ttiicc: if i recall correctly... it was never available in repos |
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| 08:53.27 | ttiicc | greenmang0:why not? |
| 08:53.42 | greenmang0 | ttiicc: don't know :) |
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| 08:54.05 | fenugreek | ttiicc: probably because it's for newbies |
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| 08:54.34 | ttiicc | that dosn't bother packages from been included in the repositories |
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| 08:55.30 | fenugreek | ttiicc: doesn't it |
| 08:56.34 | ttiicc | no they don't care that packages are for newbies or not. as long as it's stable and lgpl they should be included |
| 08:57.06 | fenugreek | philosophically they probably don't |
| 08:57.12 | fenugreek | but you still have to get a maintainer interested in it |
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| 08:57.24 | fenugreek | and why should they be interested in something they've never needed before |
| 08:57.47 | fenugreek | newbie tools for DB administration is some kind of niche |
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| 08:58.28 | ttiicc | strange! |
| 08:59.25 | ttiicc | Im not a newbie considering mysql administration but still I prefer to use the workbench when Im runnning the mysql server on the machine which Im working on |
| 08:59.31 | fenugreek | I wonder if the mariadb guys forked it yet |
| 08:59.37 | ttiicc | Im only using the command program over ssh |
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| 09:23.52 | reynir | How do I install irssi? |
| 09:24.11 | EyesIsMine|iPod | Sudo apt-get install irssi |
| 09:24.18 | EyesIsMine|iPod | Then do irssi |
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| 09:24.28 | reynir | ok thanks |
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| 09:29.40 | bolt-work | sudo is not standard on debian |
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| 09:31.23 | oOarthurOo | bolt-work, good point. better sudo apt-get install sudo |
| 09:31.36 | EyesIsMine|iPod | Lol |
| 09:32.02 | oOarthurOo | is beyond tired |
| 09:32.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps whats the package to install to get a X windows system |
| 09:32.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | in lenny |
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| 09:33.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | ? |
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| 09:33.26 | oOarthurOo | Eryn_1983_FL, xorg |
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| 09:33.56 | reynir | apt-get vs. aptitude? |
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| 09:34.33 | oOarthurOo | reynir, potatoes vs. potahtooos |
| 09:35.00 | reynir | ok thanks |
| 09:35.03 | oOarthurOo | reynir, unlesss upgrading from Lenny! |
| 09:35.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 09:35.40 | oOarthurOo | but day to day... whatever you like |
| 09:35.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | aptitude |
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| 09:36.47 | EyesIsMine|iPod | sudo apt-get remove Sufi |
| 09:37.13 | fenugreek | aptitude tries to be smarter, which can be good and bad |
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| 09:37.49 | jelly | reynir: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 09:38.06 | reynir | thanks guys |
| 09:39.07 | oOarthurOo | @ fenugreek think apt-get tries to be slutty, which can be good and bad. |
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| 09:39.22 | fenugreek | oOarthurOo: heh |
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| 09:39.26 | fenugreek | but apt-get came first! |
| 09:39.34 | oOarthurOo | she always does! that's my point! |
| 09:39.48 | oOarthurOo | ok.. i'm offtopic |
| 09:39.51 | oOarthurOo | goodnight |
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| 09:46.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey are there any good manuals for X-org and remote X sessions |
| 09:46.48 | Eryn_1983_FL | i need to setup fluxbox and ratposion |
| 09:47.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | and the login managers are a pain. |
| 09:47.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | i need them started when i boot uplol |
| 09:47.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | or atleast from xdm or something |
| 09:48.00 | Eryn_1983_FL | just need to be pointed in the right direction... ok a litlbe bit more then a finger would be nice.. |
| 09:48.13 | bolt-work | !sudo |
| 09:48.13 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 09:48.58 | bolt-work | sudo is bad. people do stupid things with sudo |
| 09:49.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | like what bolt |
| 09:49.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | if we do bad things we should know they are bad |
| 09:49.40 | jelly | bolt-work: blaming the tool for misuse is silly. |
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| 09:50.06 | jelly | let's ban knives! People do stupid things with knives. |
| 09:50.08 | bolt-work | recommending the installation of an unneeded tool just to install another one which you actually want is also silly |
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| 09:56.12 | capri | hey guys |
| 09:56.44 | capri | could someone told me if it is possible to power on a debian systemm at a before configured time |
| 09:56.52 | capri | like 10 o´clock at the morning |
| 09:57.49 | ksk | guess your bios needs to support this |
| 09:58.05 | functor | or WoL |
| 09:58.07 | ksk | if you want to do it from an "power off" state |
| 09:58.44 | ksk | maybe you can tell debian to go into some "sleep" state and make it "wake up" at a specific time |
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| 09:59.53 | bolt-work | if the system is supposed to be off at the time, the operating system is largely irrelevant |
| 10:00.13 | bolt-work | you need wake on lan, or wakeup from the bios. your bios likely has options for this. i haven't seen any recent one that doesn't |
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| 10:04.36 | capri | ok, so i have to look at teh bios! because i bought a QNAP 410 and the storage management isn´t correctly what i need, so i want to install debian on this system and configure it by myself |
| 10:04.40 | capri | thanks all :-) |
| 10:05.08 | capri | but one moment |
| 10:05.47 | capri | the qnap firmware could configure it out of the webgui so it should be configurable from out of the console. like acpi |
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| 10:13.16 | Sweetshark | Hi all, I cannot find a package in packages.debian.org although it is on http://ftp-master.debian.org/new. Can anyone drop me a hint why? |
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| 10:14.35 | ksk | not rly,sorry. but whats your link? some testing state for future debian packages? |
| 10:15.04 | sep | packages.debian.org only lists packages that are in debian. /new is packages that are waiting to join debian http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
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| 10:15.33 | ksk | thanks |
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| 10:15.59 | sep | http://wiki.debian.org/NewQueue |
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| 10:17.46 | Sweetshark | ksk, sep: Thanks! That makes sense. nlpsolver is the package I was looking for and it is there patiently waiting in the queue ;) |
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| 10:24.28 | dthree | hola alguien vive? xD |
| 10:24.41 | dthree | tengo una consulta sobre alsa, ya que no hay mas alsaconf ahora xD |
| 10:24.58 | dthree | sory xD |
| 10:25.03 | dthree | hi, somebody alive? |
| 10:25.38 | dthree | i have a question about alsa, becouse i see that alsaconf not is include on debian 6 |
| 10:26.06 | dthree | i cant make that my sound work well |
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| 10:26.36 | dthree | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) |
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| 10:43.16 | Steppenwolf | Hi, I have set LXDE as my X server, but there is something wrong, when I restart my compurer, it crashes. How do I reset to KDE without getting in through X |
| 10:43.25 | Steppenwolf | (Squeeze) |
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| 10:56.19 | rvsjoen | for debian, does the exist something similar to the pciid directory for usb id's ? i'm trying to figure out if there are drivers that support usb id 03eb:210a which is an usb stick from Atmel (at90usb), and packs a 802.15.4 radio |
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| 10:56.57 | simonrvn | yes - /usr/share/misc iirc |
| 10:57.24 | rvsjoen | nice, thank you |
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| 10:58.52 | simonrvn | update-usbids works |
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| 11:00.02 | simonrvn | rvsjoen: sticks it in /var/lib/usbutils/and there's a symlink in /usr/share/misc |
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| 11:00.15 | simonrvn | er, " and " |
| 11:00.25 | rvsjoen | yeh, found it, but having a hard time making sence of it, it doesnt seem to list and drivers |
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| 11:01.14 | simonrvn | lsusb should be the tool to parse it |
| 11:01.21 | simonrvn | lsusb |
| 11:03.27 | rvsjoen | indeed, it finds the device, by name |
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| 11:05.40 | diegol | Hello is there anyone having problems with grub on debian/kfreebsd while using ZFS? |
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| 11:09.17 | jelly | !kfreebsd |
| 11:09.17 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 were released as a "technology preview" for Squeeze, ask me about <install guide>. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 11:09.31 | jelly | diegol: try that channel on that there network |
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| 11:10.03 | diegol | hey thanks jelly ! |
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| 11:22.37 | guesst123 | hi |
| 11:22.52 | guesst123 | could somebody tell me how to run latest chromium-browser on debian ? |
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| 11:28.59 | MaDSeN | install it? |
| 11:29.23 | aguitel | how remove iceweasel ? |
| 11:29.40 | mongrol | apt-get remove iceweasel |
| 11:29.47 | go^ | apt-get remove --purge iceweasel |
| 11:29.48 | MaDSeN | its not a sin to have 2 browsers |
| 11:30.04 | Nightmeister | apt-get remove? or he will delete depends? |
| 11:30.07 | MaDSeN | if you do.. I'll forgive you :) |
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| 11:30.31 | aguitel | mongrol, ok |
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| 11:30.43 | Nightmeister | how to remove epiphany? )) |
| 11:30.49 | Nightmeister | and save gnome )) |
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| 11:31.15 | tim_flatus | Nightmeister: shut it muppet. ;-) |
| 11:31.19 | go^ | i DON'T have epiphany in gnome O_o |
| 11:31.30 | go^ | Nightmeister, did you install gnome-core? |
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| 11:31.39 | Nightmeister | yep, gnome-core |
| 11:31.45 | go^ | boh |
| 11:31.51 | go^ | Nightmeister, try removing epiphany ? |
| 11:31.58 | go^ | apt-get remove |
| 11:32.48 | go^ | i have gnome without epiphany...evolution i think can't be removed with apt... |
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| 11:34.01 | Nightmeister | apt-get wants to remove gnome-core too |
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| 11:34.47 | tim_flatus | Nightmeister: sorry, I see, serious question. |
| 11:35.22 | adb | , versions icigna |
| 11:35.23 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'icigna' was found in i386. |
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| 11:36.04 | adb | , versions icingna |
| 11:36.06 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'icingna' was found in i386. |
| 11:36.07 | tim_flatus | Nightmeister: if it's a dependency of gnome, then you can't easily remove it. Do you really need to? |
| 11:36.30 | adb | , versions icinga |
| 11:36.32 | judd | Package icinga on i386 -- lenny-backports: 1.0.2-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.0.2-2; lenny-backports-sloppy: 1.2.1-1~bpo50+1; squeeze-backports: 1.2.1-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.2.1-1; sid: 1.3.0-1 |
| 11:36.35 | Nightmeister | tim_flatus : it is not so important, but it would be useful |
| 11:36.38 | concon | Nightmeister: gnome-core is a metapackage, if you want to remove individual packages from that meta-package it needs to be uninstalled. I'm not sure if that will uninstall the actual packages, though |
| 11:36.41 | Nightmeister | for me |
| 11:36.53 | concon | !info meta package |
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| 11:38.04 | Nightmeister | I need to install gnome without meta packages right? |
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| 11:41.04 | DotHack | i have an urgent question |
| 11:41.11 | cast | aha |
| 11:41.25 | DotHack | i have kjournald hanging and see that my db file are not udated anymore since 14 feb |
| 11:41.51 | DotHack | is it possible that all changes are in the journal and not commited to the disk? |
| 11:41.59 | DotHack | what will happen if i restart this server? |
| 11:42.07 | DotHack | will the journal be committed? |
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| 11:42.20 | simonrvn | could try running sync 3 times but it might hang... |
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| 11:43.13 | DotHack | how can i find out whats in the journal |
| 11:43.26 | EyesIsMine | I did sudo rm -rf /var/cache to save some space, but now I can't run anything, is there a way to regenerate this? |
| 11:44.03 | simonrvn | um. why did you do that? reinstall a bunch of packages might help.. |
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| 11:45.23 | DotHack | what does kjounrald do? |
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| 11:45.47 | simonrvn | it's a kernel thread, it takes care of the fs journal |
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| 11:46.20 | simonrvn | you *might* be able to spawn another one |
| 11:46.22 | kjelle | hello, is there anything I can call in /proc that will do the same as when i type "reboot" in the shell? |
| 11:47.05 | simonrvn | kjelle: nly if you have magic-sysreq enabled in the kernel (which debian kernels tend to have) |
| 11:47.05 | DotHack | is see this in dmesg [1695985.150591] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 4096s! [kjournald:822] |
| 11:47.22 | kjelle | simonrvn: I dont want magic-systeq, as I want a proper boot (system is running on a flash) |
| 11:47.31 | sterna | DotHack: i've seen this in kvm guests |
| 11:47.36 | sterna | kvm upgrade fixed it |
| 11:47.41 | DotHack | sterna: its a xen guest |
| 11:47.45 | kjelle | I got a PoCo on the board we run the debian on, so I can do a hardware reset of the power, but I also want the option to boot properly |
| 11:48.06 | sterna | i suppose hypervisor was busy and your VM didn't get a time slot for a while |
| 11:48.14 | DotHack | the question is will i loose data ? |
| 11:48.17 | sterna | or there was a clock issue |
| 11:48.22 | sterna | no, not because of this |
| 11:48.23 | simonrvn | 'lose' |
| 11:48.42 | sterna | i've also seen guest clock issues that manifested like this |
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| 11:48.55 | DotHack | but when i ls de db dir the modify times are on 14 feb.. these should be today |
| 11:48.58 | simonrvn | kjelle: then run reboot or init 6 |
| 11:49.12 | sterna | DotHack: has your clock moved instantaneously for hours/days? |
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| 11:49.33 | simonrvn | the dir timestamp isn't always the file update timestamp |
| 11:49.38 | DotHack | mm the clock has halted |
| 11:49.56 | DotHack | i mean the clock is on 14 feb |
| 11:50.01 | kjelle | simonrvn: so it seems |
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| 11:50.08 | simonrvn | run 'date' |
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| 11:50.16 | EyesIsMine | Whats actually on disk 2? |
| 11:50.18 | EyesIsMine | CD |
| 11:50.25 | simonrvn | !cd contents |
| 11:50.25 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/). |
| 11:50.37 | DotHack | weird the host has the rigth date |
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| 11:50.48 | EyesIsMine | Ah |
| 11:54.36 | DotHack | its probably not a good idea to set it to the right date... |
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| 11:59.59 | DotHack | It seems that the time is stuck in the hour |
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| 12:03.00 | ycat | hi. anyone running windows7 on kvm/squuze NOT using the --noapic option? |
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| 12:03.40 | DotHack | I can see syslog entries date from 14 feb 2300 to 2359 and then some again in the same hour |
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| 12:06.16 | capri | @ycat yes |
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| 12:06.43 | Bastihase | what is the problem: collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
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| 12:08.38 | ycat | capri: could you please tell me your kvm/libvirt/os versions? |
| 12:08.49 | DotHack | weird all file i create are dated 14 feb 23:01 |
| 12:09.02 | DotHack | and time on the server now is 23:37 |
| 12:09.05 | capri | don´t use libvirt kvm 0.13 |
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| 12:11.22 | ycat | capri: thx |
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| 12:11.43 | capri | ycat: np |
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| 12:14.00 | DotHack | whereis does ´date´ read its date from.... when i do a watch the date is different |
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| 12:15.23 | cast | strace date |
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| 12:15.43 | DotHack | cast i have no strace on the server |
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| 12:16.59 | richo | Hi, if you set ssid and psk in /etc/network/interfaces, is it possible to find out what options it actually passes to wpa_supplicant when you start the if? |
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| 12:23.50 | ycat | capri: did you have problems on install? it's strange; i have win7 running perfectly on one machine, on the other it hangs on install... do you remember what options you used? |
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| 12:24.53 | capri | ycat: i don´t configure something strange! just normal settings |
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| 12:28.50 | DotHack | date calls clock_gettime(CLOCK_REALTIME, {1298032082, 765142556}) = 0 |
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| 12:30.14 | DotHack | what do the contents of /proc/uptime mean? |
| 12:30.30 | richo | how long your machine has been up..? |
| 12:30.52 | DotHack | richo: there are 2 entries in it |
| 12:31.45 | jelly | DotHack: man 5 proc |
| 12:31.55 | DotHack | the command uptime calls time() |
| 12:31.55 | jelly | (manpages package) |
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| 12:36.08 | DotHack | my system is behaving very weird.... i think i should restart it.... how can this happen that the time suddenly stops? |
| 12:36.35 | abrotman | You have reached the end of the Internet. |
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| 12:40.03 | DotHack | weird stuff!!!! |
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| 12:40.15 | richo | Sysadmins busy fighting SPAM. |
| 12:40.22 | richo | There's your answer ^^ |
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| 12:40.43 | Masdjo | squeeze LTSP |
| 12:42.19 | jelly | debian is kind-of LTSP by default |
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| 12:48.05 | Masdjo | my LTSP client fail connect to server |
| 12:48.21 | Hertz | I'm running debian squeeze on my laptop and my Fn hotkey stop working properly. For example when I press <Fn> + -> It should increase my monitor brightness, but nothing happens.I already try to change my keyboard layout but it still doesn't work. I was shearching for a way to remap my keyboard, but I wasn't able to find anything I could use. I would to like to know if there are so way to fix that, or some kind of path to me look for. |
| 12:50.35 | Masdjo | i have follow all instruction on lenny-ltsp, but no success |
| 12:51.40 | Masdjo | I install from debian-live-6.0.0-i386-gnome-desktop.iso |
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| 12:56.20 | toe | i created a multiboot pen drive with grub2. my menu entries seem to work, the respective iso will be used for booting. the problem is: after starting the debian installer, it checks for a cd rom drive and the respective machine doesn't even *have* a cd rom drive (that's the reason, why i wanted to boot via usb in the first place) |
| 12:56.32 | toe | can you tell me, if this is an issue with my grub2 menu entries? and how to eventually fix them? |
| 12:56.55 | toe | i tried 5.03 and 6.0 netinstallers => same problem |
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| 12:57.25 | abrotman | the 6.0 netinst is a hybrid image .. the 5.0.x stuff requires some extra work .. |
| 12:57.46 | toe | 5.x doesn't matter anymore... just mentioned that it's the same problem with both isos |
| 12:58.05 | toe | (doesn't matter anymore in this particular case, to be precise ;) ) |
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| 12:59.07 | toe | the installer starts but it gets an error after trying to check the cdrom drive |
| 12:59.18 | Masdjo | @toe : add cdrom-detect/try-usb=true |
| 12:59.40 | toe | i will try that, thanks |
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| 13:04.22 | abrotman | toe: how did you put the ISO on the stick ? |
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| 13:04.57 | jelly | so... will sun-java6-* packages be renamed oracle-java6-*? :-) |
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| 13:05.15 | abrotman | snoracle ? |
| 13:05.30 | toe | abrotman: i got 3 partitions on that stick |
| 13:05.32 | simonrvn | sunacle |
| 13:05.50 | abrotman | toe: that didn't really answer the question |
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| 13:05.57 | toe | i am writing ;) |
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| 13:06.21 | toe | large fat32, medium ext2 for iso files, small ext2 for grub2 |
| 13:06.22 | amoe | Hi, does anyone have any workaround for "pdf files now opened by gimp by default" (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=522998)? |
| 13:06.34 | jelly | gets sun-java6 (6.24-1) fomr unstaebl for security raisins |
| 13:06.38 | toe | on that iso partition i got iso files for netinst installers 5.03 and 6.0 |
| 13:06.44 | amoe | I think every GNOME user is affected by this, no? |
| 13:07.18 | toe | so no dd or something to install the hybrid isos to that stick |
| 13:07.35 | toe | i use loopback for it |
| 13:08.30 | abrotman | amoe: you can change it with nautilus .. but i haven't had that issue |
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| 13:10.05 | amoe | abrotman: changing with nautilus has no affect for me, gimp still opens them every time afterwards... |
| 13:10.46 | Masdjo | I made live multi ISO in flashdisk with : http://liveusb.info/dotclear/ |
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| 13:12.14 | abrotman | amoe: did you change the "Open With" ? |
| 13:12.42 | amoe | abrotman: yes, used Remember and everything, it opens with evince that time, but ignores it in the future. |
| 13:13.03 | abrotman | amoe: what is your normal reader? evince? |
| 13:13.08 | amoe | abrotman: yep |
| 13:13.14 | abrotman | tried reinstalling evince? |
| 13:13.48 | amoe | abrotman: will try it now... |
| 13:13.54 | richo | dpkg --reconfigure evince? |
| 13:13.55 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, richo |
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| 13:14.07 | toe | :D |
| 13:14.13 | richo | :D |
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| 13:14.35 | amoe | lol |
| 13:15.12 | amoe | looks like aptitude hates me atm (this is sid), will give it a try in a bit, cheers abrotman |
| 13:15.15 | abrotman | richo: it would be 'dpkg-reconfigure evince' |
| 13:15.31 | abrotman | amoe: but really, i haven't seen this issue at all .. |
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| 13:16.02 | simonrvn | i have; but it usually resolved itself if i did what you suggested abrotman |
| 13:16.18 | amoe | abrotman: that's good to know, ty |
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| 13:17.35 | simonrvn | then i did rm -rf ~/.local/share/mime/ ;p |
| 13:17.47 | simonrvn | and it started working a lot better |
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| 13:18.30 | amoe | I don't have that but I do have ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list |
| 13:18.36 | amoe | which has suspicious contents |
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| 13:19.13 | simonrvn | no, that's ok |
| 13:19.23 | simonrvn | it's a .desktop format file |
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| 13:20.08 | amoe | after I edited /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache and removed gimp, and ALSO nuked that file under ~/local/share/applications, evince started winning |
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| 13:20.21 | simonrvn | might want to edit that manually if it doesn't fix itself |
| 13:20.40 | amoe | but update-desktop-database puts gimp back in /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache, so let's hope that never runs automatically ;) |
| 13:20.42 | simonrvn | um, usually no reason to screw with /usr/share stuff |
| 13:21.04 | amoe | simonrvn: got that from the bug so thought i would try it |
| 13:21.25 | simonrvn | home dir stuff is more likely to be stale |
| 13:21.34 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 13:28.59 | jeeger | Greetings! Is there a package for the emacs elisp sources in debian? |
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| 13:29.28 | ansgar | jeeger: emacs23-el? |
| 13:30.39 | jeeger | Ah, thanks. I was looking for emacs-el |
| 13:30.50 | JyZyXEL | if i don't give the vga= argument at boot time can you still change it later? |
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| 13:37.40 | JyZyXEL | how do you get a bigger screen when you boot debian with virtualbox? |
| 13:37.58 | JyZyXEL | all you get is this tiny ass window and the terminal has huge text |
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| 13:39.37 | EyesIsMine | Uh |
| 13:39.49 | EyesIsMine | I think you just drag the corner |
| 13:39.59 | JyZyXEL | it doesn't resize the OS area |
| 13:40.10 | EyesIsMine | No, Host+A |
| 13:40.42 | JyZyXEL | that just resizes the window to OS size |
| 13:40.46 | EyesIsMine | Hm |
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| 13:40.53 | djura-san | o/ |
| 13:41.01 | EyesIsMine | Running in teminal or gui? |
| 13:41.07 | JyZyXEL | terminal like i said |
| 13:41.13 | EyesIsMine | No solutio |
| 13:41.17 | EyesIsMine | GUI is bigger |
| 13:41.26 | EyesIsMine | And terminal is small |
| 13:41.57 | JyZyXEL | i want a bigger terminal with smaller text |
| 13:42.16 | EyesIsMine | Also, whne I try to install certain software, it comes back with an error on dpkg |
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| 13:44.57 | amoe | Anyone know a good tool to get google search results from the CLI? |
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| 13:46.30 | EyesIsMine | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 13:48.19 | dkr | amoe: lynx |
| 13:49.15 | ttiicc | smoe:elinks |
| 13:49.53 | dkr | heh, aptitude search good showed me googlecl but that is a cl tool apparently for every service except search |
| 13:50.03 | dkr | er, s/good/goog/ |
| 13:50.27 | amoe | I was thinking of something more pipe orientated |
| 13:50.52 | petemc | there are plenty of recipes for making your own google search function |
| 13:50.59 | petemc | what would you do with the results? |
| 13:51.00 | JyZyXEL | how do you make the console bigger? |
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| 13:51.20 | dkr | !svga |
| 13:51.30 | JyZyXEL | the bot is gone |
| 13:51.43 | petemc | dpkg: yo |
| 13:51.43 | dpkg | yao! |
| 13:51.51 | JyZyXEL | !svga |
| 13:52.04 | tech13 | dpkg svga |
| 13:52.04 | dpkg | i don't know, tech13 |
| 13:52.33 | dkr | just no factoid for that. I think it's either svga or vga option you can give to increase resolution of console. never used it myself |
| 13:52.50 | petemc | hes using virtualbox, which he neglected to mention there |
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| 13:53.06 | amoe | petemc: I know, just wondering if there was any existing tool. goose looks ok but it's not in debian, will try it out |
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| 13:53.47 | goose | wat? |
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| 13:54.15 | goose | you rang, amoe? :p |
| 13:55.15 | amoe | ahahah http://goose-search.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 13:56.20 | goose | "Goose uses Google's web APIs to execute searches and retrieve the results." |
| 13:56.33 | goose | No I don't, I fly around eating stale bread and crapping on things from the air :p |
| 13:56.49 | goose | anyways.. :> o/ |
| 13:57.24 | amoe | goose: sounds like more fun to be fair, I don't blame you |
| 13:57.29 | JyZyXEL | and the default size is small |
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| 13:58.16 | JyZyXEL | petemc: and i did mention it |
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| 13:59.32 | Prajwal | guys i get a error Failed to exec method /usr/lib/apt/methods/ |
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| 14:01.42 | JyZyXEL | how do i get rid of this 80x25 text console?? |
| 14:01.49 | JyZyXEL | i need something more sane |
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| 14:05.19 | Makuew | Hello, is vnc supported on all pxe network cards? |
| 14:06.26 | abrotman | VNC? |
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| 14:08.32 | Bushmills | Makuew: network cards don't support VNC |
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| 14:09.52 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: fbterm -s ... if you're running with framebuffer support |
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| 14:10.15 | AlexC_ | mornign |
| 14:10.18 | JyZyXEL | !framebuffer |
| 14:10.18 | dpkg | Framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. X is a framebuffer system, as is berlin. If you're looking for the framebuffer console, ask me about <fbcon>, or ask about <blacklist> to negate it. To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. See also <uvesafb>. |
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| 14:11.44 | AlexC_ | I'm getting the following errors in Apache logs: "(11)Resource temporarily unavailable: apr_thread_create: unable to create worker thread" I can't work out why, the settings are the same on my Lenny setup, but this is Squeeze and things just don't work |
| 14:11.56 | AlexC_ | by don't work I mean Apache will not start |
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| 14:12.58 | JyZyXEL | !fbcon |
| 14:12.58 | dpkg | fbcon is probably a graphics driver built into the kernel that accesses the video cards memory directly in a linear io, framebuffered X is just a way of using that kernel's framebuffer for graphics instead of the application itself having to know how the card works.. executive summary: it's hardware abstraction of the video, or slow, slow, slow... ask me about <fbcon resolution>. |
| 14:13.09 | JyZyXEL | !fbcon resolution |
| 14:13.09 | dpkg | well, fbcon resolution is run "aptitude install hwinfo && hwinfo --framebuffer" as root, choose a mode from the resulting list of available modes. The mode will be named in hex, something like 0x305. Edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and find the line that starts with "# kopt=" and add "vga=0x305" (substituting your chosen mode), then run "update-grub" and reboot. |
| 14:13.14 | JyZyXEL | isn't that stuff deprecated? |
| 14:13.26 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: msg the damn bot |
| 14:13.49 | JyZyXEL | abrotman: eh |
| 14:14.05 | abrotman | you know .. use /msg |
| 14:14.24 | JyZyXEL | there was a good reason why i used it in the channel |
| 14:14.29 | Makuew | Bushmills: hmm, all servers i have had i edited boot grub to load pxe install with vnc acess, and it allways worked. But on this server it doesent come up after boot. |
| 14:14.34 | JyZyXEL | cause i wanna know if that piece of information is deprecated |
| 14:14.44 | JyZyXEL | atleast in squeeze if you use vga= you just get error |
| 14:14.48 | abrotman | all five of those? |
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| 14:15.03 | Makuew | Bushmills: http://www.ovh.co.uk/products/hg_2010_extralarge.xml this server is the one im trying on. I appericate if u could check it out and see if it supports it |
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| 14:17.24 | Bushmills | Makuew: vnc is a service, provided by a machine on the net. it is not provided by the network card. |
| 14:17.32 | AlexC_ | what sort of process/thread limits are in place with Squeeze for Apache? Nothing else can explain it, but there are no limits setup =( |
| 14:17.58 | solifugus | To backport a package (virtuoso-opensource) from Squeeze to Lenny, would I just add Squeeze's repositories to Lenny? |
| 14:18.25 | abrotman | solifugus: you could, but why not just upgrade to squeeze, it's been released now |
| 14:18.27 | Makuew | Bushmills: oh i see. I just find it wierd it works on all other machines at their site. But i see on this machint the network interface is called eth2 and not eth0. Can that be a problem? |
| 14:18.35 | dkr | since squeeze is stable now, yeah, what abrotman said. :) |
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| 14:18.49 | EyesIsMine | Hm |
| 14:19.02 | solifugus | abrotman: because I don't own the server.. the sysadmins won't be ready to do that for at least another six months |
| 14:19.20 | solifugus | (they say 3 months, which means at least 6) |
| 14:19.35 | Bushmills | Makuew: not impossible, but also not extremely likely. check out to what interface(s) vnc server is bound |
| 14:19.40 | solifugus | I do have root access, but they won't let me migrate to squeeze.. |
| 14:21.20 | Bushmills | solifugus: if you're fine running an older kernel, consider to chroot to a squeeze installation |
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| 14:22.19 | solifugus | I only need to add virtuoso-opensource for a web application, currently using mysql on there. |
| 14:22.34 | solifugus | switch from mysql to virtuoso (for semantic web integration) |
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| 14:23.12 | Bushmills | dpendencies of packages for squeeze can bite you when trying to install them to lenny |
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| 14:23.25 | Makuew | Makuew: All i do is edit the menu.1st to have a command with vnc including it. and i reboot it. All seems correct there. Can i pastebin it so u can have a look? |
| 14:23.36 | abrotman | !tell solifugus about ssb |
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| 14:25.19 | is00k | hi |
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| 14:25.31 | is00k | i've some problems with aptitude |
| 14:26.03 | is00k | i'm using puppet and i need to do aptitude update or upgrade from some repositories only |
| 14:26.09 | is00k | here is my conf |
| 14:26.21 | is00k | in /etc/apt/ i've deleted the sources.list |
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| 14:26.49 | is00k | I've created 3 files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d each one with their repos: |
| 14:26.49 | is00k | 00-debian_sources.list |
| 14:26.49 | is00k | deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 14:26.49 | is00k | deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 14:26.49 | is00k | 01-debian_security_updates.list |
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| 14:27.01 | Makuew | Bushmills: http://pastebin.com/7gJBGsv8 |
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| 14:27.06 | is00k | aptitude update -o dir::etc::sourcelist=/etc/apt/sources.list.d/01-debian_security_updates.list |
| 14:27.11 | Makuew | Do anyone see a problem here http://pastebin.com/7gJBGsv8 ? |
| 14:27.15 | justin_ | is00k: why do you "need" to do that? |
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| 14:27.28 | is00k | because i'm using puppetd |
| 14:27.45 | is00k | and i need to apply updates on one reposity |
| 14:27.45 | justin_ | that is not a reason for "needing" to do what you are doing |
| 14:27.55 | justin_ | WHY |
| 14:28.14 | is00k | upgrade packages from security repository |
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| 14:28.29 | justin_ | I don't think you understand how debian works |
| 14:28.43 | justin_ | just run aptitude update. |
| 14:28.43 | is00k | why ? |
| 14:28.57 | is00k | aptitude update yes |
| 14:29.07 | is00k | really it's not a requirement |
| 14:29.19 | is00k | but if I want to do aptitude upgrade |
| 14:29.30 | is00k | i want only upgrade packages from the security repo |
| 14:29.32 | is00k | for example |
| 14:29.43 | justin_ | if you do an aptitude upgrade you will only get updates from the security repo |
| 14:30.10 | is00k | really ? |
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| 14:30.18 | justin_ | what else would you get? |
| 14:30.42 | is00k | but...if I want to update only packages from proposed-updates ? |
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| 14:31.07 | justin_ | that is not the right way to go about upgrading things |
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| 14:31.59 | is00k | well...then how should i do distribute different repos for ubuntu/debian from puppetmaster ? |
| 14:32.09 | is00k | and the apply security patches |
| 14:32.26 | justin_ | you are distributing the repos correctly |
| 14:32.27 | is00k | ? |
| 14:32.30 | is00k | yes |
| 14:32.37 | justin_ | you just don't run aptitude against repositories like that |
| 14:33.00 | is00k | i'm distributing the repos in 3 files normals, updates, proposed-updates |
| 14:33.11 | is00k | and i want to update only security packages |
| 14:33.15 | justin_ | no! |
| 14:33.27 | is00k | to make sure that the configuration does't need to be changed |
| 14:33.37 | abrotman | why would you want to do that? you'll miss updates |
| 14:33.54 | justin_ | you either want proposed-updates, or you don't |
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| 14:34.05 | justin_ | if you don't want proposed-updates, don't distribute the sources for it |
| 14:34.12 | is00k | in some systems yes and not in other systems |
| 14:34.21 | is00k | that's not the problem |
| 14:34.49 | is00k | are u telling me that i can't select the repositories where the updates come from ¿? |
| 14:35.04 | justin_ | I'm telling you that you are doing this wrong |
| 14:35.20 | is00k | why ? |
| 14:35.21 | justin_ | if you don't want updates from proposed-updates, don't push out the proposed updates apt sources |
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| 14:35.41 | themill | [14:35] [D-Bus] 110.138.177.104 (110.138.177.104) is Indonesia [ID], , (-5.0000, 120.0000) |
| 14:35.46 | themill | gah |
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| 14:36.48 | is00k | on the other hand i need this for use it with zabbix, i've some commands that tell me how many updates are available |
| 14:37.18 | justin_ | no, you still do not "need" this |
| 14:37.26 | is00k | aptitude -o Dir::Etc::sourcelist=/etc/apt/sources.list.d/$1.sources.list -o Dir::Etc::sourceparts=/etc/apt/sources.list.d/$1.sources.list search '~U' | wc -l |
| 14:37.43 | is00k | then.... |
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| 14:37.59 | is00k | the sources.list must contain security repos |
| 14:38.13 | is00k | and with a single aptitude upgrade i upgrade only the security packages ? |
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| 14:38.30 | justin_ | sigh |
| 14:38.50 | justin_ | just run aptitude upgrade |
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| 14:39.14 | is00k | well i understand |
| 14:39.21 | is00k | an example |
| 14:39.32 | is00k | i've have a local repository |
| 14:39.44 | is00k | and i add this repos in /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 14:40.07 | is00k | and i want to upgrade ONLY packages from this repository |
| 14:40.12 | justin_ | why? |
| 14:40.13 | is00k | what should i do |
| 14:40.24 | is00k | it's an example |
| 14:40.40 | is00k | or it's not possible |
| 14:40.52 | justin_ | tell puppet to use ensure=>"latest" when you install packages from that repository? |
| 14:41.00 | is00k | grrr |
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| 14:41.38 | is00k | you win |
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| 14:41.57 | is00k | i don't have to do anything in puppet |
| 14:42.01 | justin_ | that method has the added benefit of working no matter what the repository is |
| 14:42.22 | is00k | well |
| 14:42.24 | is00k | then |
| 14:42.42 | is00k | if've do a calls named unattended_upgrades for example |
| 14:43.07 | is00k | and in my sources list i've the normal repos, security repos, and proposed repos |
| 14:43.08 | solifugus | So does this look safe? http://pastebin.com/TV6vVDU0 (won't it start overriding all packages?) |
| 14:43.26 | is00k | i mean a class |
| 14:43.35 | solifugus | Should I/can I just copy over the package I need and any dependencies it complains about (from squeeze to lenny)? |
| 14:43.44 | justin_ | solifugus: what are you doing? |
| 14:44.00 | is00k | and inside the class I do... exec { "aptitude upgrade" |
| 14:44.01 | solifugus | trying to get virtuoso-opensource package from squeeze on lenny |
| 14:44.23 | justin_ | uhh, I wouldn't expect that to work out well for you |
| 14:44.28 | is00k | it's sure to run this without configuration problems ..... |
| 14:44.30 | justin_ | why don't you just upgrade to squeeze? |
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| 14:44.49 | solifugus | justin_: I can't.. they won't let me migrate to squeeze... |
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| 14:44.58 | justin_ | is00k: i'd just use unattended-upgrades |
| 14:45.04 | justin_ | they? |
| 14:45.10 | solifugus | actually, can you "upgrade" to squeeze from lenny? is that safe for a production server? |
| 14:45.18 | solifugus | justin_: sys admins group |
| 14:45.19 | justin_ | yes |
| 14:45.31 | jelly | solifugus: it's likely "they" wouldn't like you to install binary packages from a newer release then, either |
| 14:45.39 | protozoa | anyone here know how i can complete an install of etch-sparc? |
| 14:46.10 | is00k | justin_ i mean if it's safe |
| 14:46.18 | solifugus | jelly: the imfamous "they" are only in charge of the underlying operating system... I am in charge of what's installed on it. |
| 14:46.19 | protozoa | i downloaded the 30mb netinst iso and it only shows the recent releases |
| 14:46.20 | justin_ | is00k: doubt it |
| 14:46.30 | EyesIsMine | Hm |
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| 14:46.41 | jelly | solifugus: installing packages from release+1 _IS_ messing with the OS. |
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| 14:46.58 | jelly | solifugus: consult your admin. |
| 14:47.10 | EyesIsMine | Why is removing the package libssl0.9.8 removing all of my system >.< |
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| 14:47.16 | is00k | then i should do a class on this style : class lastest {package1: ensure=> latests, packageX: ensure=> latests |
| 14:47.17 | is00k | ¿? |
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| 14:47.24 | justin_ | EyesIsMine: because a lot of things need ssl? |
| 14:47.28 | solifugus | jelly: yes, I know that. because of how linux distros work... (I've always fundamentally dislike that packages are tied to specific releases of specific distros) but they don't seem to get that |
| 14:47.29 | faenor | solifugus: GNU/Linux, not linux |
| 14:47.43 | justin_ | is00k: not usually a bad idea, no |
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| 14:47.52 | solifugus | faenor: GNU/GNOME/and lots of others/Linux, actually |
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| 14:47.54 | jelly | faenor: please don't. |
| 14:48.11 | is00k | justin_ thanks for all |
| 14:48.28 | jelly | faenor: we all know what colloquial usage of "linux distros" mean |
| 14:48.28 | is00k | your help really have been very apreciate |
| 14:48.32 | justin_ | is00k: though you can write package { ['one','two','three','four']: ensure => latest} |
| 14:48.41 | is00k | i know |
| 14:48.49 | is00k | there was an example |
| 14:49.03 | justin_ | what I do is use puppet to keep all security sensitive things up to date |
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| 14:49.16 | justin_ | and use something like fabric to install other updates |
| 14:49.23 | is00k | fabric ? |
| 14:49.51 | justin_ | is00k: not really important.. basically something like 'for host in hosts;do ssh root@host apt-get upgrade;done' |
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| 14:50.01 | is00k | ahmmm ok |
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| 14:50.20 | jelly | solifugus: virtuoso-opensource-6.1 seems quite large, you may or may not be successful in building a local backport instead |
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| 14:51.20 | solifugus | jelly: the actual base source code is pretty small. The bulk of that size are packages that run within virtuoso.. |
| 14:51.40 | solifugus | like "vad" packages.. |
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| 14:52.44 | ron__ | Does anyone know whats wrong with aptitude? http://pastebin.com/eeFESNiJ |
| 14:52.50 | is00k | buttt |
| 14:52.58 | ron__ | debian 6 |
| 14:53.20 | is00k | justin_ i think that if you've the normal repos and the security repos |
| 14:53.29 | is00k | and if you do and aptitude upgrade |
| 14:53.44 | is00k | you don't upgrade only the security upgrades |
| 14:53.59 | themill | ron__: you have an error in the header of your local "firewall_rules" init script |
| 14:54.12 | justin_ | is00k: the normal repositories only get security updates and critical bug updates(a few times a year) |
| 14:54.27 | ron__ | themill: its the first time ive seen this which file do i need to fix? |
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| 14:55.25 | is00k | i think you're wrong |
| 14:55.44 | justin_ | nope |
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| 14:56.07 | solifugus | jelly: virtuoso has a build-in web server (sql, sparql, and xml data/information queries can be made via odbc, rest, or soap calls). vad packages can hold whole web application setups pretty much plug-n-play. The non-free version also provides transpearant clustering capabilities. |
| 14:56.12 | is00k | are yot sure ? |
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| 14:56.19 | justin_ | very |
| 14:56.40 | is00k | i think that with the normal repos and the security updates |
| 14:56.49 | is00k | you upgrade all the packages |
| 14:57.04 | is00k | not only the security upgrades |
| 14:57.22 | justin_ | there ARE NO updates |
| 14:57.22 | themill | dpkg: tell is00k about stable |
| 14:57.27 | dariusss | with debian preseed, can you have multiple user accounts automatically created? I'm only seeing one account being created in all of the examples |
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| 15:02.18 | mohadib | how can i disable debian from checking my mysql tables |
| 15:03.22 | is00k | justin_ |
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| 15:03.27 | is00k | for example in one server |
| 15:03.38 | is00k | in lenny doing an aptitude upgrade |
| 15:03.45 | themill | dpkg: tell is00k about enter |
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| 15:04.17 | mohadib | is00k: your enter key is making themill sad |
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| 15:04.31 | mohadib | you know he only has so much space on his screen |
| 15:04.39 | mohadib | plesae be thoughtful of the little feller |
| 15:04.52 | themill | mohadib: you're not helping |
| 15:05.07 | mohadib | so? |
| 15:05.15 | mohadib | want a metal captian obvious? |
| 15:05.23 | themill | is00k: please try to compose your thoughts into coherent sentences so we have a chance of following you. |
| 15:06.41 | ron__ | Ah i fixed it, thanks :) |
| 15:06.57 | simonrvn | mohadib: tip: don't annoy ops |
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| 15:07.22 | is00k | an example: in a lenny debian, now, if i do a aptitude upgrade the aptitude want to upgrade the package base-files. The installed package base-files it's in version 5lenny8 and the repository version it's in version 5lenny9, this package it's in the normal (not security) repository, what i want to do it's install packages from the security repository |
| 15:07.32 | stew | s/ops/anybody/ |
| 15:07.46 | themill | is00k: have you had a look at what is in "base-files" and what that upgrade is? |
| 15:07.49 | simonrvn | yes, that's also wise |
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| 15:08.08 | simonrvn | mohadib: how childish |
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| 15:08.18 | simonrvn | mohadib: besides, you're not my type |
| 15:08.24 | mohadib | simonrvn: no replying to my pm is very not childish |
| 15:08.30 | mohadib | please flood the channel |
| 15:08.33 | is00k | administering 100 severs it's impossible to look at that |
| 15:08.34 | simonrvn | i just did |
| 15:08.38 | mohadib | i saw that |
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| 15:08.50 | themill | mohadib: please take a break from #debian for a while... |
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| 15:09.56 | is00k | it's really simple i need the command to upgrade only the packages from the security repository, i think that it's i thing that it's possible to do |
| 15:10.02 | themill | is00k: it's the same package on each of those servers, not 100 different packages. And the changelog tells you what the change is (it changed /etc/debian_version) |
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| 15:10.44 | mohadib_ | you bguys are still fags |
| 15:10.44 | themill | is00k: not all security related upgrade go via security.d.o; things only get pushed to the stable repo very very occasionally (9 times in the 2 years since lenny released). |
| 15:10.45 | mohadib_ | fyi |
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| 15:11.31 | is00k | well suppose that i don't want to get upgrades from the "normal" repo |
| 15:11.36 | is00k | what should i do |
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| 15:12.03 | dshbusiness | Hello, I've got a problem. Once I compiled my own kernel, my virtualbox could not startup. It says I should use "/etc/init.d/vbox setup"(or so) to recompile virtualbox's kernel. But every time I execute that command, it fails. I have tried on ubuntu, debian, fedora and get the same result. Anyone can help me? Thanks |
| 15:12.03 | is00k | ive update a lo t of servers and a lot of times some configuration parameters have been deprecated |
| 15:12.31 | justin_ | is00k: reeducate yourself to what the updates to the stable are for and stop fighting them |
| 15:12.34 | themill | is00k: not in a stable release you won't. |
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| 15:14.04 | is00k | i can tell you about a lot of amavis, clamav changes |
| 15:14.08 | is00k | in stable release |
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| 15:14.19 | themill | is00k: not in stable. If you enabled "volatile" perhaps |
| 15:14.31 | is00k | not in volatile |
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| 15:15.44 | is00k | then you're saying that almost all the updates are from security but some updates can fail, then I mean that in Debian it's impossible to get the system automatically updated |
| 15:15.56 | rhineshell | I have a conflict in my new stable former testing installation. Aptitute tries to throws out xorg |
| 15:16.02 | rhineshell | xorg depents on xserver-xorg |
| 15:16.08 | rhineshell | xserver-xorg on xserver-xorg-core. And this is weired because I have precisely this version |
| 15:16.09 | JiYu | Is it possible to create a deb file out of the vmware tools? |
| 15:16.18 | JiYu | does somebody have a howto? |
| 15:16.23 | stew | rhineshell: /msg dpkg bat |
| 15:16.23 | themill | is00k: It's possible, but I don't think you're going to find anyone wanting to do this for you. if you really want it, you can arrange for this yourself but the use case is so limited... |
| 15:16.45 | justin_ | is00k: 09:44 < justin_> is00k: i'd just use unattended-upgrades |
| 15:16.51 | is00k | yes |
| 15:17.05 | is00k | for that reason i'm trying to use puppet to manage updates |
| 15:17.19 | justin_ | no |
| 15:17.24 | justin_ | use puppet to install unattended-upgrades |
| 15:17.25 | is00k | yes |
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| 15:17.48 | is00k | i'm not sure if unattended-upgrades it's really safe |
| 15:17.56 | is00k | i should take a look |
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| 15:18.38 | justin_ | you're not sure about a lot of things, yet you continue to insist that you need very specific requirements for upgrading packages |
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| 15:19.21 | is00k | i think i'm sure about more things than you, i'm thinking about integrating differents things |
| 15:19.44 | is00k | and now i know that i was wrong and i 've a new approach |
| 15:20.04 | justin_ | yes, for starters you need to better understand what 'stable' means |
| 15:20.08 | rhineshell | stew: ? |
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| 15:20.15 | stew | !bat |
| 15:20.15 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 15:20.25 | stew | rhineshell: ^^^ if you get us this info, this will help us help you troubleshoot |
| 15:20.32 | is00k | i now what stable mean |
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| 15:20.48 | rhineshell | ahh paste-service okay |
| 15:21.00 | justin_ | is00k: you were just complaining that you didn't want to install an update to 'base-files' on your machine |
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| 15:21.18 | is00k | there was just a simple example |
| 15:21.31 | justin_ | yes, an example of how you don't understand what stable is |
| 15:22.02 | is00k | maybe you didn't understand my example |
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| 15:24.00 | stew | is00k: i suppose you'd have to use pinning to pin based on the release label |
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| 15:24.04 | stew | is00k: man apt_preferences |
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| 15:24.18 | stew | is00k: we'd strongly discourage you from doing this however |
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| 15:24.25 | is00k | i don't need pinning |
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| 15:24.38 | is00k | we're using only the stable / security repos |
| 15:24.44 | themill | *sigh* |
| 15:25.06 | stew | is00k: ok, i thought you wanted to not upgrade pacakges from the non-security repository? |
| 15:25.09 | drogba | Although I have my fstab set to http://pastebin.com/Dwnz9mDM , my sda{8,9} are not mounted as shown in http://pastebin.com/4ANLHybL . Help! |
| 15:25.23 | rhineshell | this problem only accurs in aptitute? Neither with apt nor with dpkg |
| 15:25.32 | is00k | stew that was a good example |
| 15:25.43 | themill | is00k: you've so far rejected every suggestion that people have made -- all of which would work btw. There's little more we can do. |
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| 15:25.46 | stew | is00k: you would do this by using pinning |
| 15:25.53 | justin_ | drogba: what do you think noauto means? |
| 15:26.00 | stew | is00k: or you would do this by deteting the source from sources.list |
| 15:26.13 | is00k | i've solved my doubt |
| 15:26.13 | rhineshell | and in aptitute logfile are no complainments |
| 15:26.16 | stew | is00k: and I'd not recomend doing either |
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| 15:26.27 | stew | rhineshell: can you show us the command you run and the output? |
| 15:26.35 | drogba | justin_: That I just entered a random option! :D |
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| 15:27.49 | dariusss | anyone know where I can find this file: partman-auto-raid-recipe.txt It's not in the debian-installer package as suggested in preseed documentation |
| 15:27.49 | is00k | i will manage my sources lists with puppet, it will use stable, security and proposed-updates, and i will not and aptitude upgrade (each night for example) i will do a class that upgrade the packages that i want, or i will configure puppet to use unnatended-upgrades |
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| 15:28.23 | pozic_ | debsrc <URL of binaries> section is a correct line, right? |
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| 15:28.30 | rhineshell | stew: this is strange, because it accours only in aptitude, but not if I call aptitude from shell |
| 15:28.50 | is00k | themill all of you have help to to arrive to my conclusion, i'm rejecting suggests, i'm only thinking in my scenario |
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| 15:28.54 | homie | helloooo |
| 15:28.59 | pozic_ | I need some src line to be able to reinstall an nvidia driver of which the configuration has been destroyed on upgrade. |
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| 15:29.02 | homie | does anyone know why i get NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
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| 15:29.59 | rhineshell | no output on the shell or logfile for my problem |
| 15:30.32 | homie | and why do i get login and password programs for apt-get -s upgrade ? |
| 15:30.34 | pozic_ | I think I got it already. |
| 15:30.37 | stew | homie: we just switched what key we use to sign the archive, you cna upgrade the debian-archive-keyring package and apt-get update |
| 15:30.38 | anoob | hi, when i try to copy files over a nfs network the mount point crashes... logs: http://www.forumdebian.com.br/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=12127#p68102 |
| 15:30.52 | justin_ | homie: install apt-listchanges |
| 15:31.00 | homie | stew: is that key valid i showed ? |
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| 15:31.26 | stew | homie: yes, you can also "gpg --recv-keys AED4B06F473041FA" and check your trust path to the key, of course |
| 15:31.28 | pozic_ | stew: why does that key switch every time? I also have the impression that one always gets those messages after some time. That cannot be how it is designed to work, right? |
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| 15:32.02 | pozic_ | stew: Switching keys can be a good idea, but should in principle also not be necessary more than every 20 years. |
| 15:32.20 | stew | pozic_: we switch the key at a minimum of every three years to minimize the chance that someonne has been able to compromize the key we use to sign the Release files |
| 15:32.29 | is00k | stew justin_ thanks for all |
| 15:32.40 | pozic_ | The cryptography is designed to last for millenia. |
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| 15:32.56 | homie | stew: which keyserver do i have to use ? |
| 15:33.38 | stew | homie: i recommend pool.sks-keyservers.net but any commonly used keyserver would work as would keyring.debian.org |
| 15:34.05 | pozic_ | I used the nvidia dkms in dpkg, but that command fails here. There are some unsatisfied requirements. |
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| 15:36.21 | homie | hmm, not found there |
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| 15:37.13 | rhineshell | hello again, my problem was just a weired aptitude-bug? However its gone |
| 15:37.18 | pozic_ | Starting GNOME Display Manager: gdm/lib/lsb/init-functions: line 30 <some pid> segmentation fault. |
| 15:37.28 | homie | stew: --keyserver keyring.debian.org ? |
| 15:37.28 | pozic_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:37.56 | homie | stew: or what is the exact server spec ? it seems to not find it there |
| 15:37.59 | pozic_ | Why on Earth does that happen? |
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| 15:38.43 | stew | homie: oh, sorry, it doesn't actually appear to be there, use sks-keyservers.net |
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| 15:39.10 | homie | stew: not found too |
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| 15:39.20 | pozic_ | I can try with kdm, but it smells like a pile of FAIL. |
| 15:40.13 | pozic_ | The inconsistency of this system. Arg. |
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| 15:41.09 | pozic_ | "Please be sure to run dpkg --configure kdm" and then it says "It has been configured and installed. There are errors while handling kdm". |
| 15:41.20 | pozic_ | Really, who makes up these jokes? |
| 15:41.35 | abrotman | use a pastebin to show us |
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| 15:42.04 | Big_Aziz | hi people |
| 15:42.06 | pozic_ | abrotman: I don't have X running (because it doesn't work). Anything friendly for a text browser? |
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| 15:42.30 | abrotman | !pastebinit |
| 15:42.30 | dpkg | [pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". |
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| 15:42.57 | homie | stew: wtf it does not, even when i reinstall debian-archive-keyring |
| 15:43.10 | stew | what version of debian-archive-keyring is installed? |
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| 15:43.33 | homie | stew: appears to be some old one |
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| 15:44.53 | pozic_ | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/sDYubvh7 |
| 15:45.36 | stew | pozic_: dpkg-reconfigure not dpkg --reconfigure |
| 15:45.40 | arvind_khadri | Hi, can netinst image be used from a USB? |
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| 15:45.51 | abrotman | yes |
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| 15:46.01 | stew | arvind_khadri: yes for squeeze they can be copied directly to usb, for older, you have to do more work |
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| 15:46.26 | pozic_ | stew: that is not what the output says I should do. |
| 15:46.27 | arvind_khadri | am talking about 6.0 :) would "sync" work? |
| 15:46.53 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, thanks :) |
| 15:46.59 | pozic_ | stew: I am just repeating what the software said. The software then is wrong and should be fixed. |
| 15:47.16 | stew | pozic_: what software said this? |
| 15:47.25 | homie | man my mobo was defect, had to buy a new one, and it took me half a day to get that and the cooler installed.. |
| 15:47.36 | stew | pozic_: which release are you running? |
| 15:47.37 | pozic_ | stew: dpkg-reconfigure gdm and then choosing for the kdm option. |
| 15:47.56 | homie | yeh, i'm not sure if i got the power, led and disk led cables plugged in right |
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| 15:48.17 | pozic_ | stew: some unstable version. |
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| 15:48.25 | stew | pozic_: notice that gdm is no longer in unstable |
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| 15:48.35 | pozic_ | stew: wow. |
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| 15:48.47 | homie | but the cooler is really cool, better than before now, quiter |
| 15:48.48 | pozic_ | stew: I now installed kdm, but it starts, and then does ... nothing. |
| 15:48.52 | homie | quieter |
| 15:49.02 | AlexC_ | does anyone know of a CLI tol that I can use as a filemanager to connect to an SFTP server? |
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| 15:49.13 | AlexC_ | actually, one that works would be good. That rules out MC |
| 15:49.32 | pozic_ | The kdm process is still running, but it is nowhere to be found. |
| 15:49.33 | stew | pozic_: what does "cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager" return? |
| 15:49.33 | pipeline | AlexC_: mc is the classic choice. You could try emacs in a tty w/ tramp + dired-mode |
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| 15:49.44 | pipeline | AlexC_: there are really very few choices that are not simply clones of mc |
| 15:49.53 | pozic_ | stew: /usr/bin/kdm |
| 15:50.08 | AlexC_ | pipeline: MC just freezes with SFTP on a non-standard port, I reported it for Lenny and still not fixed for Squeeze unfortunately. I'll give the emacs way a try |
| 15:50.53 | pozic_ | stew: I ran /etc/init.d/kdm start directly after installing kdm |
| 15:51.28 | stew | if you run start when it is already running you should expect nothing to happen |
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| 15:51.37 | pozic_ | stew: it said |
| 15:51.44 | pozic_ | stew: ' starting kdm...' |
| 15:51.58 | martianlobster | is there some way to call ulimit, so it sets everything back to the default sizes, like when the OS was first installed? |
| 15:51.59 | pozic_ | stew: so, it started, but it didn't actually switch to an X server. |
| 15:52.13 | pozic_ | stew: that is what should have happened. |
| 15:52.46 | stew | pozic_: that is what would happen if it were already running, try ctrl-alt-f7 and ctrl-alt-f8 to see if you find a running x server |
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| 15:53.16 | pozic_ | stew: I tried 1-12 already before. Nothing. |
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| 15:53.57 | pipeline | AlexC_: emacs has a generalized "do stuff remotely" module called tramp. It's not picky about the mode of transport: telnet rsh ssh sftp whatever. You can even chain transports together: ssh to host 1, then telnet to host 2, then invoke dired-mode on ~/my-cool-stuff |
| 15:54.12 | stew | pozic_: if it is running i'd try restarting it |
| 15:54.26 | stew | pozic_: and if that doesn't work, i'd make sure 'stop' actually stops it |
| 15:54.34 | pipeline | AlexC_: the downside to all this flexibility is that tramp is super-pokey. On a 200-300 ms latency connection to a remote host, it can take me 5+ seconds to edit a file. |
| 15:54.46 | pozic_ | stew: I think I can just reboot and it might work then. At least something else must happen. Still, it feels like it is a broken system. |
| 15:54.57 | stew | pozic_: how did you determine it was running? |
| 15:54.58 | pipeline | AlexC_: naturally it is faster on a lower-latency connection... and editing files is about the pokiest tramp operation. Directory operations are faster. |
| 15:54.59 | pozic_ | stew: it says it stops and starts, but otherwise no observable behaviour. |
| 15:55.09 | pozic_ | stew: ps aux | grep blah |
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| 15:57.03 | stew | pozic_: then I'd check the X logs to see that X is actually doing anything |
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| 15:57.18 | pozic_ | stew: nvidia-xconfig also prints the wrong device to xorg.conf |
| 15:57.35 | pozic_ | stew: it contains an NV5, while I have a NV55. |
| 15:57.43 | pozic_ | stew: er NV44 |
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| 15:57.55 | pozic_ | stew: lspci prints NV44. |
| 15:58.12 | pozic_ | Is there nobody who can write good software anymore? |
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| 15:59.13 | pozic_ | Ok, now, it seems to have ignored the old configuration. |
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| 15:59.27 | pozic_ | Kind of useless to even try to use the old information if that is incorrect information. |
| 15:59.58 | homie | one thing, does the dvi interface to the monitors make any change for screen resolution or aspect-ratio ? |
| 16:00.05 | pozic_ | Ok, that also doesn' t work. I will restart now. BRB |
| 16:00.48 | thewanderer1 | http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/gvpe_2.22-1.html |
| 16:00.58 | thewanderer1 | does it mean it's coming to Debian? |
| 16:01.04 | thewanderer1 | za |
| 16:01.10 | thewanderer1 | oops. AltGr not working. |
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| 16:01.30 | thewanderer1 | (will debug this altgr+a == enter later) |
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| 16:02.52 | abrotman | thewanderer1: yes, or it's an update |
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| 16:03.09 | abrotman | or it means, they're trying to get it in .. it may not happen |
| 16:03.19 | thewanderer1 | the ITP bug is still pending |
| 16:03.26 | thewanderer1 | how to see the status of this submissio? |
| 16:03.32 | stew | thewanderer1: it means its in the queue to be audited to see if its suitable for debian, if it is (which is likely) it will end up in debian |
| 16:03.38 | stew | thewanderer1: this is it, the status is "NEW" |
| 16:03.46 | thewanderer1 | ah, ok |
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| 16:04.04 | thewanderer1 | so new is the queue, right? |
| 16:04.09 | stew | thewanderer1: it sits in the (currently overly long) queue waiting to be processed: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
| 16:04.24 | dsm | i have a question regarding dropbox |
| 16:04.27 | stew | thewanderer1: yes, the NEW queue is the place where new packages go to be audited |
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| 16:04.30 | pozic_ | stew: (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 16:04.53 | pozic_ | stew: that seems to be the problem, which is not that surprising, but the instructions as in the dpkg bot do not work. |
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| 16:05.15 | thewanderer1 | thanks abrotman and stew |
| 16:05.16 | dsm | is it safe to use my existing ssh pubkey (~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub) in /etc/initramfs-tools/root/.ssh/authorized_keys |
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| 16:06.07 | arvind_khadri | stew, the USB is not booting. I directly reach the grub menu. |
| 16:06.11 | thewanderer1 | dsm: yes, the public key doesn't reveal any confidential information - in fact you may post it publicly on a website |
| 16:06.15 | pozic_ | How can I install nvidia drivers for a 6xxx card in Unstable? |
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| 16:06.20 | joltcan | dsm: as long as your private key is good enough thats fine |
| 16:06.22 | dsm | i meant to say dropbear i think |
| 16:06.50 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, , the USB is not booting. I directly reach the grub menu. |
| 16:07.06 | stew | arvind_khadri: the grub menu on the hard drive? meaning it skips usb? |
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| 16:07.24 | dsm | ok. i just prefer the security of my existing RSA 4096 key rather than the smaller key that is automatically generated |
| 16:07.34 | Harpyas | enoch |
| 16:08.19 | arvind_khadri | stew, yes. I have a amd64 image of squeeze. I did cat img.iso > /dev/sdX; sync . I can see the contents of the USB to be fine, but it does'nt boot. |
| 16:08.35 | Harpyas | lolzlolzlolzlolz |
| 16:08.37 | stew | arvind_khadri: i'd check your bios settings then |
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| 16:08.49 | stew | arvind_khadri: and/or see if it would boot in another machine |
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| 16:09.19 | esaym153 | how do I define what options a module automatically gets loaded with? |
| 16:09.37 | arvind_khadri | stew, actually it booted earlier when I created the startup disk using Startup disk creator through Ubuntu. But then it halted showing boot |
| 16:09.46 | arvind_khadri | boot: . |
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| 16:10.29 | pozic_ | !nvidia kms |
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| 16:12.20 | pozic_ | Can someone please tell me how I am supposed to install the nvidia drivers or are those not supported in Debian? |
| 16:12.54 | pozic_ | I have never _ever_ had that the nvidia installer failed to work. It has always been some Debian component destroying a working configuration. |
| 16:13.00 | babilen | !tell pozic_ -about nvidia |
| 16:13.00 | jhutchins_lt | !tell pozic_ about nvidia |
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| 16:13.12 | pozic_ | I followed those instructions and they do not work. |
| 16:13.15 | thewanderer1 | pozic_ probably needs nvidia legacy |
| 16:13.20 | pozic_ | thewanderer1: uh, no. |
| 16:13.31 | jhutchins_lt | pozic_: Maybe you shouldn't be running debian. |
| 16:13.31 | thewanderer1 | 6xxx still supported by current NVIDIA? |
| 16:13.31 | babilen | pozic_: sure? |
| 16:13.32 | pozic_ | thewanderer1: NV44 is fairly new. |
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| 16:14.15 | thewanderer1 | ah, ok, nvidia it is |
| 16:14.17 | pozic_ | babilen: yes |
| 16:14.18 | sirderigo | hi! i´ve downloaded a live debian iso from live.debian.net and I DONT KNOW THE PASSWORD!!! o_o |
| 16:14.41 | thewanderer1 | sirderigo: tried 'live'? |
| 16:15.07 | sirderigo | thewanderer1: ¿wich password? |
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| 16:16.03 | jelly | sirderigo: err... if you asked for the password, don't you know which one you were asking about? |
| 16:16.13 | stew | arvind_khadri: i'm not sure what to tell you then. i'm not sure what might be wrong. do you know what exact image you downloaded? |
| 16:16.24 | sirderigo | sorry, i mean the username and password |
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| 16:17.39 | arvind_khadri | stew, debian-6.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 16:17.41 | thewanderer1 | sirderigo: try debian / debian now |
| 16:17.58 | pozic_ | Where do I get xorg-video-abi-6.0? |
| 16:18.13 | pozic_ | That is what the nvidia driver needs according to aptitude |
| 16:18.16 | stew | pozic_: aptitude search '~Pxorg-video-abi-6.0' |
| 16:18.28 | jalalsfs | I want to install the open source driver for my nVidia card, What can I do? |
| 16:18.33 | sirderigo | thewanderer1: no, it doesnt work |
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| 16:18.51 | stew | thewanderer1: are you trying to remotely brute force a password? or are you reading some documentation? |
| 16:18.51 | jelly | judd: provides xorg-video-abi-6.0 --release squeeze |
| 16:18.52 | judd | Cannot find the package xorg-video-abi-6.0 in squeeze/i386. |
| 16:19.08 | jelly | judd: provides xserver-xorg-core --release squeeze |
| 16:19.08 | stew | he's running unstable |
| 16:19.09 | judd | Package xserver-xorg-core in squeeze/i386 provides: xorg-input-abi-7.0, xorg-video-abi-6.0, xserver. |
| 16:19.31 | jelly | stew: well then he gets what he asks for, eh? |
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| 16:19.42 | jelly | s/asks for/deserves/ |
| 16:19.43 | shashi | totem player controls r not working |
| 16:20.04 | thewanderer1 | sirderigo: another combo to try is user / live and live / live |
| 16:20.17 | stew | the live image should auto-login |
| 16:20.33 | stew | thewanderer1: where are you getting these usernames/passwords from? |
| 16:20.36 | pozic_ | stew: your command returns nothing. I have the package installed which judd mentioned. |
| 16:20.41 | pozic_ | stew: or at least the latest version. |
| 16:20.42 | arvind_khadri | stew, from here, http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 16:20.54 | stew | arvind_khadri: that should really work |
| 16:20.58 | sirderigo | stew it doesnt, it shows 6.0 in the hostname |
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| 16:21.16 | thewanderer1 | stew: from the top of my head, actually... or rather bottom. some of these used to work |
| 16:21.24 | arvind_khadri | stew, hmmm, maybe I should try another method. |
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| 16:22.12 | jelly | pozic_: well... you could either downgrade xorg packages, or wait until the nvidia ones are fixed |
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| 16:22.46 | stew | pozic_: if it returns nothing, its no longer available, it used to be provided by xserver-xorg-core |
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| 16:24.49 | toe | i created a multiboot usb drive with grub2. my menu entries seem to work, the respective iso will be used for booting. the problem is: after starting the debian installer, it checks for a cdrom drive and the respective machine doesn't even *have* a cd rom drive (that's the reason, why i wanted to boot via usb in the first place) |
| 16:25.11 | stew | toe: which iso are you using? |
| 16:25.17 | toe | 6.0 netinst |
| 16:25.28 | toe | on another partition than grub2 |
| 16:26.00 | toe | http://dpaste.org/7IMH/ |
| 16:26.05 | toe | this is my grub2 menuentry |
| 16:26.33 | stew | where did the initrd come from? |
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| 16:26.47 | toe | from inside the iso |
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| 16:27.00 | is00k | anybody have used the netinstall debian 6 in sphere 4 ? |
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| 16:27.30 | toe | tty4 tells me: cdrom-detect: CD-ROM mount failed blabla *sdbx* |
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| 16:27.48 | toe | but it doesn't try to probe sdaX for the iso |
| 16:27.50 | is00k | i also have problems with the cdrom mount |
| 16:28.14 | stew | toe: check bugs against the debian-installer pseudo package |
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| 16:28.46 | toe | i don't really expect that to be the problem because the netinst 5.03 has the same issue |
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| 16:29.28 | stew | toe: 5.0.3 was expected to have this problem. 6.0.0 attempts to fix it by making it a hybrid iso |
| 16:29.31 | arvind_khadri | stew, netboot image and netinst image are same? |
| 16:29.42 | stew | arvind_khadri: no, very different |
| 16:29.49 | stew | arvind_khadri: netboot is for pxe |
| 16:29.58 | arvind_khadri | ohh ok :) thanks |
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| 16:31.04 | dsm | another question regarding dropbear |
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| 16:31.49 | dsm | i am entering my passphrase using echo "[passphrase]" > /lib/cryptsetup/passfifo |
| 16:31.53 | dsm | is this secure ? |
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| 16:32.18 | dsm | note: i am doing this after ssh root@host |
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| 16:39.25 | EyesIsMine | Hm |
| 16:39.39 | EyesIsMine | My pc failed so hard I lost the mouse. |
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| 16:45.08 | solifugus | will squeeze's version of libc break if installed on lenny? |
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| 16:46.39 | pozic_ | jelly: but downgrading is not a supported operation. |
| 16:46.59 | pozic_ | jelly: how can I downgrade these packages? I don't even know which versions do work. |
| 16:47.04 | VenturiDebian | solifugus, i had sid before squeeze and i did so many apt-get dist-upgrade and no harm |
| 16:47.39 | pozic_ | jelly: If I just use the binary installer from nvidia, wouldn't that work? |
| 16:48.01 | VenturiDebian | certainly, i was always in sid |
| 16:48.07 | VenturiDebian | and i am... xD |
| 16:48.42 | phorce1 | on my lenny machine I plug in a 2GB SD card. I start copying LOTS of small files to the card. when I reach 128 files in the root it tells me the card is full. Why? It should be default formatted as FAT32, right? |
| 16:49.11 | jelly | pozic_: I have no idea whether it would work, but I suspect there is legitimate reason why the xorg team changed the virtual package dependency |
| 16:49.28 | VenturiDebian | phorce1, check the file system |
| 16:49.56 | solifugus | VenturiDebian: I appended squeeze repos into /etc/apt/sources.list and did apt-get install virtuoso-opensource.. it worked without a hitch on dev, but the production installed more packages... mainly libc and wants to restart a bunch of key services: ssh openbsd-inetd exim4 cron apache2 |
| 16:50.11 | solifugus | If I press enter on it, and it doesn't come up.. I'll be a LOT of trouble. |
| 16:50.42 | jhutchins_lt | phorce1: Some of them are formatted fat12 or fat16. |
| 16:50.52 | solifugus | so my screen is just sitting there waiting for me to hit enter to restart those services... |
| 16:50.53 | VenturiDebian | solifugus, appended? do you have lenny repos yet? |
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| 16:51.20 | VenturiDebian | solifugus, i had the same message |
| 16:51.23 | solifugus | VenturiDebian: it's a lenny install.. but i need virtuoso which is in squeeze |
| 16:51.24 | VenturiDebian | and no damage |
| 16:51.33 | phorce1 | VenturiDebian, jhutchins_lt thx looking --- must be tired |
| 16:51.53 | solifugus | I am nervous.. |
| 16:52.04 | phorce1 | ----> <facepalm> fat16 |
| 16:52.15 | Arrowmaster | pozic_: from my understanding both the nvidia and ati drivers need new versions from nvidia and ati respectivly to work with the new xorg |
| 16:52.17 | jhutchins_lt | solifugus: Mixing releases can be dangerous, but you've already done it. Did you have a backup? |
| 16:52.17 | VenturiDebian | solifugus, i did it before, from lenny to sid and it had to update libc6 too |
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| 16:52.28 | peterrooney | solifugus: i suspect the difference between dev and production is the debconf priority |
| 16:52.42 | VenturiDebian | phorce1, well, just format to fat32 xD |
| 16:52.51 | VenturiDebian | save your data and then do the job |
| 16:52.53 | pozic_ | Arrowmaster: that sort of sucks then. |
| 16:53.03 | solifugus | VenturiDebian: but this is from squeeze to lenny... the other direction |
| 16:53.05 | pozic_ | Arrowmaster: is there any other driver which can run Google Earth? |
| 16:53.13 | jhutchins_lt | solifugus: What you should have done is either get the packages from backports or backport them yourself. |
| 16:53.19 | pozic_ | Arrowmaster: I don't care about games on this machine. |
| 16:53.19 | Arrowmaster | have you tried nouveau yet? |
| 16:53.28 | pozic_ | Arrowmaster: dpkg says it is only 2D. |
| 16:53.28 | jhutchins_lt | solifugus: You might be able to save it by doing a full squeeze upgrade - assuming you have a problem. |
| 16:53.29 | phorce1 | why would *anyone* factory format a 2GB partition to FAT16? That's why I never looked |
| 16:53.38 | VenturiDebian | solifugus, so you will restore your libc6 from lenny |
| 16:53.40 | pozic_ | phorce1: licensing? |
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| 16:53.51 | jhutchins_lt | solifugus: Frankenrelease systems have been known to run, they're just no fun to maintain. |
| 16:54.00 | solifugus | jhutchins_lt: backports looks like its only for between unstable, testing, and stable... rather than between squeeze and lenny |
| 16:54.07 | Arrowmaster | i thought nouveau had limited 3d, as in not enough to game on but good enough otherwise |
| 16:54.09 | VenturiDebian | pozic_, i hate to say this but stay with nvidia drivers... nouveau is still too experimental for new cards |
| 16:54.28 | VenturiDebian | Arrowmaster, it's not limited, there's no 3d accel xD |
| 16:54.32 | jhutchins_lt | solifugus: Remember that two weeks ago lenny was stable and squeeze was testing. |
| 16:54.32 | VenturiDebian | at least for new cards |
| 16:54.41 | solifugus | If I just clear out all those services and press enter, they'll keep running as they are until next reboot, right? |
| 16:54.57 | pozic_ | VenturiDebian: so, Arrowmaster says it doesn't work with nvidia and you say it doesn't work with nouveau. |
| 16:55.12 | pozic_ | That is really awesome. |
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| 16:55.30 | Arrowmaster | hey your the one running sid |
| 16:55.31 | VenturiDebian | pozic_, please tell me what card do u have and what are you installing for the drivers |
| 16:55.51 | VenturiDebian | i have sid too |
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| 16:56.53 | pozic_ | VenturiDebian: 6200. I used the instructions that dpkg gave me for keywords nvidia dkms |
| 16:57.00 | jhutchins_lt | As long as people keep buying hardware that doesn't support linux... |
| 16:57.00 | faenor | jhutchins_lt: GNU/Linux, not linux |
| 16:57.38 | pozic_ | jhutchins_lt: there is nothing that can be bought. |
| 16:57.48 | stew | faenor: linux is fine in this case, its got nothing to do with userspace |
| 16:57.48 | faenor | stew: GNU/Linux, not linux |
| 16:57.55 | pozic_ | jhutchins_lt: there is no point in saying these things if there is no alternative. |
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| 16:58.03 | stew | faenor: did you read what I said at all? |
| 16:58.14 | Arrowmaster | pozic_: thats a pretty old card, i would try nouveau |
| 16:58.20 | stew | faenor: are you a bot that just reponds to people saying "linux"? |
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| 16:58.47 | Arrowmaster | also does the latest nvidia drivers even support it? i know they drop support a lot and make people with old cards use the legacy drivers |
| 16:59.09 | solifugus | ok.. I just let it go without restarting those services... I will find a good time, later to reboot everything. |
| 16:59.22 | DaveAG | faenor: test by saying linux |
| 16:59.22 | faenor | DaveAG: GNU/Linux, not linux |
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| 16:59.43 | Arrowmaster | somebodies about to get banned |
| 16:59.54 | solifugus | a dist-upgrade would convert lenny into squeeze, right? |
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| 16:59.57 | solifugus | safely |
| 17:00.03 | jhutchins_lt | solifugus: Consider doing a full upgrade, and you might want to read about pinning. |
| 17:00.08 | stew | solifugus: not that simple. follow the release notes |
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| 17:00.29 | jhutchins_lt | solifugus: Yes, but you should follow the notes. |
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| 17:01.45 | solifugus | I'm going to try intentionally upgrade libc6 from squeeze on my test lenny VM, then reboot and see if it works ok. |
| 17:01.47 | tharkun | Gentlemen sorry to bother i have 486.7 MB used on /usr/locales which i don't use at all. How do i get rid of those on an orderly fashion? i could as well do an rm on the unneeded folders but i want aptitude to know about the changes |
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| 17:02.29 | Arrowmaster | tharkun: theres local(e?)purge but i think theres a better way to do it now with recent dpkg features |
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| 17:02.57 | pozic_ | And there we go. Installing the binaries from nvidia.com works. How can you make something which works (the binaries) into something which doesn't? |
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| 17:03.34 | stew | pozic_: aiui, you will do that by upgrading in the future, if you are going to use their installer |
| 17:03.34 | thewanderer1 | !tell tharkun about localepurge |
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| 17:03.50 | thewanderer1 | aha, so there's a thing dpkg doesn't know |
| 17:04.24 | VenturiDebian | pozic_, sorry i was at phone |
| 17:04.24 | pozic_ | stew: I used the Debian installer last time and upgrading destroyed the configuration. |
| 17:04.34 | pozic_ | VenturiDebian: no need to be sorry for free support. |
| 17:04.36 | stew | pozic_: did you file a bug? |
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| 17:04.47 | pozic_ | stew: I just found out, but it is _always_ the same crap. |
| 17:04.51 | VenturiDebian | pozic_, yeah but i like to give as much as i can xD |
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| 17:05.05 | stew | pozic_: does a bug already exist about this problem? |
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| 17:05.14 | pozic_ | stew: I don't know, I just got X back. |
| 17:05.32 | stew | pozic_: you should check and file one if it doesn't exist |
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| 17:05.59 | homie | how can i get to know which driver supports my graphics card ? |
| 17:06.12 | tharkun | thewanderer1: it seems noone fed that factoid or a combination of thosese |
| 17:06.34 | pozic_ | homie: ask here and I will give you the answer. |
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| 17:06.53 | homie | pozic_: nvidia, but it tells me the driver does not support my device |
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| 17:07.00 | pozic_ | homie: what is your device? |
| 17:07.23 | homie | not supported stays here in kdm.log |
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| 17:08.31 | sedulous | Does any Debian repo have a Java SDL binding? (I can't find one at least.) |
| 17:08.43 | sedulous | (like http://sdljava.sourceforge.net/ ) |
| 17:08.47 | arvind_khadri | stew, I got as far as loading the GUI, but then it says wrong CD image. I am following this, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 . |
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| 17:12.10 | jhutchins | homie: You can search on http://www.x.org |
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| 17:13.29 | stew | arvind_khadri: i don't know then. that really should work, and works for many. you should probably file an installation-report or a bug against the debian-installer pseudo-package |
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| 17:13.37 | stew | arvind_khadri: or check lists.debian.org/debian-boot |
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| 17:14.49 | arvind_khadri | stew, hmmm, one question, should vmlinuz and initrd.gz come from the same folder? or can they be from different folders. |
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| 17:15.32 | stew | arvind_khadri: if you are doing the manual method, the should both be in / |
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| 17:16.47 | arvind_khadri | stew, ya they are there, but my question is that can vmlinuz come from the gtk folder and initrd.gz be from the folder above it. Also these files must be extracted from the .ISO right? |
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| 17:17.17 | stew | arvind_khadri: no, in that method they dont' come from the iso, they come from the hd img |
| 17:17.40 | stew | "There is an all-in-one file hd-media/boot.img.gz which contains all the installer files (including the kernel) as well as syslinux and its configuration file" |
| 17:18.00 | arvind_khadri | stew, hmmm, so I need to download that image ? |
| 17:18.16 | stew | if you are trying to follow 4.3.2 or 4.3.3, then yes |
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| 17:19.49 | pozic_ | In Thunderbird I can click on a file and then it can be opened with e.g. evince. In the version as packaged by Debian I cannot do that. I can only 'save' it. |
| 17:19.58 | pozic_ | I.e. Icedove. |
| 17:20.10 | pozic_ | Who makes those decisions? |
| 17:20.15 | arvind_khadri | stew, I dont see a download link for it, in that page, do you have it handy ?? Am sorry if am asking for too much. |
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| 17:20.22 | pozic_ | More importantly, why do we let those people control these packages? |
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| 17:21.19 | pozic_ | It is another example where the version distributed by the original vendor works and where modifications done by Debian destroy value of the package. |
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| 17:21.46 | pozic_ | Debian should be _adding_ value. |
| 17:21.48 | thewanderer1 | pozic_: it was probably a security decision meant to discourage careless running of exploits and .desktop files sent to you via mail. now go complain somewhere else... |
| 17:22.13 | arvind_khadri | stew, got it, thanks :) |
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| 17:22.37 | themill | pozic_: it's more likely that you've not configured icedove properly. If you want to ask questions, please whine less and ask more. The bitching and moaning is getting a little dull for the rest of us. /msg dpkg ranting |
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| 17:23.39 | tharkun | pozic_: a mua is a powerfull program. It does need some customization by the user. My sensible defaults might not be the ones you need or for the matter. Your sensible defaults might not fit my needs |
| 17:23.41 | pozic_ | Ok, let's try this little experiment. How can I configure Icedove such that it opens PDF files when I click on 'open' or e.g. double click on it? |
| 17:23.49 | stew | pozic_: this functionailty used to be provided by the icedove-gnome-support package which was subsequently removed, find the removal bug and see why or if it was replaced by something |
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| 17:24.34 | pozic_ | stew: ok, I will definitely want to know that. Do you know why gdm was removed, btw? |
| 17:24.39 | tharkun | stew: any hint on how to remove the locales using dpkg? |
| 17:24.40 | pozic_ | I will also look for that otherwise |
| 17:24.55 | Arrowmaster | because gdm was replaced upstream |
| 17:24.57 | tharkun | pozic_: technically speaking gdm was not removed it only evolved to gdm3 |
| 17:25.04 | jelly | pozic_: replaced by gdm3, is what the request for removal said |
| 17:25.21 | stew | pozic_: see #613491 |
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| 17:25.24 | dutchfish | tharkun: dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
| 17:25.26 | jelly | tharkun: FSVO evolving...! <g> |
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| 17:25.49 | Arrowmaster | although other DEs use GDM so it seems weird to remove it completely |
| 17:26.24 | greedo | anyone tried to get xen runnning with grub2? |
| 17:26.29 | tharkun | dutchfish: i got 465MB extra of un-needed info because of that xD |
| 17:26.37 | greedo | http://pastie.org/private/f0d4fcun88i1kkyrzplfrq |
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| 17:26.49 | greedo | it doesn't boot |
| 17:27.01 | stew | Arrowmaster: yes, it could perhaps return if ssomeone volunteers to maintain it, but the gnome team will not maintain it for wheezy |
| 17:27.53 | Arrowmaster | so i guess lxde is working to get its own DM added, what is xfce doing? |
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| 17:30.03 | pozic_ | I cannot find any message which says that it has been explicitly deleted with some good reason. When I try to install it, it says that now icedove provides this functionality. |
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| 17:30.28 | Arrowmaster | it was merged into icedove |
| 17:30.53 | pozic_ | Ok, so the original problem which is that I can just open a PDF attachment without saving it first has not been resolved. |
| 17:31.13 | pozic_ | That functionality works by default in Thunderbird. |
| 17:32.04 | pozic_ | Regarding security, one chooses to open only certain files. If one first have to save it and then open it, the same security issues are still there; the software has to be fixed. You won't stop the user. |
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| 17:32.26 | pozic_ | has to save* |
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| 17:32.51 | tharkun | pozic_: Would you volunteer to do it? |
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| 17:33.35 | laurento | hi all |
| 17:33.42 | laurento | I need help with dnsmasq... |
| 17:33.54 | thewanderer1 | tharkun: your locale issue is usually fixed by localepurge, I haven't heard of any smart dpkg ways |
| 17:34.05 | laurento | I need to serve both eth0 and wlan0 but dnsmasq seems to ignore reqs from wlan0 |
| 17:34.33 | laurento | I've two dhcp-range definition one for each net |
| 17:34.43 | thewanderer1 | laurento: perhaps you told it to listen only on eth0? |
| 17:34.50 | pozic_ | tharkun: is there even a maintainer? |
| 17:34.54 | tharkun | thewanderer1: thanks i was doing lots of rm -rf it does help |
| 17:35.02 | pozic_ | tharkun: just dropping the package from Debian would also be fine with me. |
| 17:35.06 | stew | pozic_: there are multiple maintainers |
| 17:35.17 | stew | pozic_: then just remove the package and pretend it doesn't exist |
| 17:35.26 | stew | pozic_: did you check the bts? |
| 17:35.30 | tharkun | pozic_: there is a team of maintainers IRRC |
| 17:35.40 | laurento | thewanderer1: I've both interface=eth0 and interface=wlan0 |
| 17:35.46 | thewanderer1 | there's also mutt without this feature handicap... |
| 17:35.53 | pozic_ | stew: yes, I will just install the real Thunderbird. I checked bts, but I looked for other info before. I did see the maintainer for the old gnome support. |
| 17:35.58 | laurento | thewanderer1: the DNS works well on both, the dhcp doesn't |
| 17:36.09 | thewanderer1 | laurento: and are you sure that requests are coming in? checked with wireshark? |
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| 17:36.26 | laurento | thewanderer1: yup... using tcpdump I can see reqs |
| 17:36.37 | thewanderer1 | laurento: do they show up in /var/log/daemon.log ? |
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| 17:37.17 | laurento | thewanderer1: no... I can try enabling log-dhcp |
| 17:38.02 | nafur | Hello. I had some bug with the mainboard, making my harddisk appear to have only 500GB instead of 1500GB. now, the harddisk (as well as the only partition on it) "has 1500GB again", but the raid I create with this partition only has 500GB... How can I fix this? |
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| 17:38.52 | dex- | Hello |
| 17:39.07 | laurento | thewanderer1: nope... I can see reqs in tcpdump but nothing in "dnsmasq -d" |
| 17:39.43 | dex- | Is debian supporting armv6? (I want to put debian on my Samsung I5700, anybody tried this) |
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| 17:41.46 | tharkun | thewanderer1: 460MB freed thanks a lot |
| 17:42.37 | pozic_ | It appears the Thunderbird team also consists of a pile of FAIL. |
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| 17:43.40 | pozic_ | There isn't even an official 64 bits version. |
| 17:44.04 | dutchfish | pozic_: please be so kind to keep it constructive, if you have a debian question, feel free to ask. |
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| 17:44.35 | thewanderer1 | laurento: does the DHCP pool belong to the same subnet that your wlan0 interface? |
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| 17:44.57 | nafur | is noone here, who knows how to fix a "broken" raid with mdadm & co. ? |
| 17:45.34 | cfchris6_ | how can I configure a box running squeeze to do dhcp on multiple network interfaces, but use a different dhcp configuration for each? |
| 17:45.47 | jhutchins_kc | I bought a motherboard for a server I was building, and the chipset wasn't supported by the Debian installer, so I took it back and got one that was supported. |
| 17:46.05 | laurento | thewanderer1: yes eth1 192.168.1.50-192.168.1.100 and wlan0 192.168.2.50-192.168.2.100 eth1 has 192.168.1.1 and wlan0 192.168.2.1 |
| 17:46.05 | pozic_ | dutchfish: I was just saying that is wasn't Debian's complete fault, since apparently upstream doesn't have their stuff together. It does work in Fedora, btw. |
| 17:46.17 | pozic_ | it* |
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| 17:47.25 | pozic_ | I wouldn't mind to occassionally fix a package that I build from source for myself and just scp it to some machine, but I am not going to beg for commit access. |
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| 17:48.23 | dutchfish | pozic_: you can file a bug with a patch. np. |
| 17:48.26 | pozic_ | One can also question the activity of trying to fix a broken upstream. |
| 17:48.28 | stew | pozic_: but you think the current icedove maintainers should be henceforth disallowed from volunteering to contribute to debian? |
| 17:48.43 | pozic_ | stew: the new information I found changes matters slightly. |
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| 17:48.54 | pozic_ | stew: so, in this particular case, no. |
| 17:49.05 | stew | its nice of you to make that suggestion though |
| 17:49.18 | thewanderer1 | laurento: remove the eth0-related config from dnsmasq config, try with wlan0 only, see if it persists |
| 17:49.20 | Arrowmaster | also i checked and this bug has already been reported |
| 17:49.22 | pozic_ | stew: it is however a fact that it does work perfectly in Fedora. |
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| 17:49.31 | pozic_ | stew: so, clearly there is some skill difference there. |
| 17:49.48 | pozic_ | stew: or resources difference. |
| 17:49.50 | stew | pozic_: have you checked for a bug yet? |
| 17:50.20 | Arrowmaster | and its probably related to the same issue i have in iceweasel opening files from the download manager, mozilla apps only use the mailcap entries and gnome has its own little way it likes to configure what opens a filetype |
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| 17:50.59 | pozic_ | stew: there are a few hundred bugs(!) |
| 17:51.12 | stew | yes |
| 17:51.26 | stew | pozic_: it would help if you would go through them and see if you can help with any of them |
| 17:51.41 | stew | pozic_: or see if some of them are no longer relevant and see if they can be closed |
| 17:51.57 | pozic_ | stew: yes, the bug is already there. |
| 17:52.06 | stew | pozic_: which bug? |
| 17:52.21 | Arrowmaster | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=427792 |
| 17:52.28 | stew | pozic_: is there a patch? if not, perhaps you can work on a patch? |
| 17:52.29 | pozic_ | stew: although reported for a different version of icedove. |
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| 17:52.52 | pozic_ | stew: I can check all of them; it's sort of nice what crap I am running. |
| 17:53.04 | stew | what? |
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| 17:54.02 | stew | i'm going to merge the two bugs and tag it with moreinfo |
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| 17:55.25 | pozic_ | stew: I think I might understand somewhat more of the problem. In Attachments tab I do not even see any file association. |
| 17:55.43 | laurento | thewanderer1: noooooooooooooooooooo shorewall!!! ok it works :) |
| 17:55.49 | pozic_ | Still, it should ask something like "how do you want to open it?". |
| 17:56.39 | Arrowmaster | like i said, mozilla seems to still be completely dependent on mailcap |
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| 17:57.33 | laurento | thewanderer1: thz |
| 17:59.04 | thewanderer1 | laurento: hehe, good catch :D |
| 17:59.12 | jon8 | if this.. find * -type f -size 0 .. finds all files that have a size of 0 .. how can i delete those files as well |
| 17:59.13 | pozic_ | stew: 453805 on bugs.mozilla.org seems to be related. |
| 17:59.32 | thewanderer1 | jon8: man find - look for -exec |
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| 17:59.35 | pozic_ | stew: I have no doubt that whoever sent this was on some non-standard system and as a result sent the wrong headers. |
| 17:59.41 | jon8 | thewanderer1 thanks |
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| 18:00.14 | pozic_ | stew: yes, it is that problem. |
| 18:00.24 | Arrowmaster | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=395033 is probably also related |
| 18:00.28 | pozic_ | stew: so, the problem is a problem created by humans that do not know how to use a computer. |
| 18:00.36 | stew | ... |
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| 18:00.59 | pozic_ | stew: the solution is basically to fall back on extensions when there is binary data. |
| 18:01.20 | pozic_ | stew: the mozilla bug discussion already has a patch, but I do not know whether they integrated that. |
| 18:01.22 | Some_Person | I know this is a bit offtopic, but is anyone here experienced with openvpn? |
| 18:01.36 | stew | Some_Person: lots of people, just ask your real question |
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| 18:02.06 | Arrowmaster | pozic_: have you checked the mime type in the emails you experience this with? |
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| 18:02.53 | pozic_ | Arrowmaster: yes, that's what I just said. |
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| 18:03.09 | Some_Person | I've got a problem. I'm running the openvpn client on debian, and although the connection is working, DNS is not |
| 18:03.09 | pozic_ | Arrowmaster: albeit a bit cryptically, the mime type is some application/binary. |
| 18:03.16 | Some_Person | I can access sites through the VPN by IP address, but not by domain |
| 18:03.16 | pozic_ | Arrowmaster: which is wrong, of course. |
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| 18:03.51 | stew | Some_Person: does dns resolution work for other names/ips? or just the vpn ip? |
| 18:04.01 | Arrowmaster | pozic_: so blame the other persons user agent |
| 18:04.06 | Arrowmaster | wonder what it is |
| 18:04.07 | pozic_ | Arrowmaster: I already did. |
| 18:04.12 | cfchris6_ | I have a box running squeeze doing dhcp on multiple interfaces. How can I pass the dhcpclient a different configuration/handler for each interface? |
| 18:04.16 | pozic_ | Arrowmaster: but not personally, obviously. |
| 18:04.20 | Some_Person | stew: When I have the VPN connected, DNS resolution just fails period |
| 18:04.36 | Some_Person | I'm wondering if it's still trying to use my school's DNS server |
| 18:04.38 | pozic_ | Arrowmaster: these people don't even know what a user agent is. |
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| 18:04.50 | Arrowmaster | well those two debian bugs about it are probably the same issue |
| 18:04.56 | pozic_ | Arrowmaster: yes. |
| 18:04.59 | stew | Some_Person: you can check which DNS server you are trying to use in /etc/resolv.conf ; see if you can ping that nameserver |
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| 18:05.27 | Some_Person | stew: Can I just edit the server in that file? |
| 18:05.37 | stew | Some_Person: sure |
| 18:05.47 | Some_Person | ok, thanks |
| 18:05.50 | Some_Person | will try it |
| 18:05.55 | pozic_ | I would just say that documents ending in .pdf are opened with e.g. evince by default and add some other file associations. Either manually or automatically. |
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| 18:07.48 | Arrowmaster | well that mozilla patch looks like its checking the binary data to find the real mimetype according to the description |
| 18:08.16 | Arrowmaster | i would do that or just check the systems mime.type definitions to find out what mime type corosponds to that extension |
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| 18:09.05 | droidftw | wow lots of people use debian |
| 18:09.26 | pozic_ | Arrowmaster: yes, I had that in mind by automatically, I just couldn't be bothered to write it out. |
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| 18:09.58 | pozic_ | Arrowmaster: can you see what happened to the patch? |
| 18:10.12 | Arrowmaster | looks like its just outdated by that bug status |
| 18:10.26 | Arrowmaster | somebody needs to update it and try to get it merged in again |
| 18:10.31 | pozic_ | Arrowmaster: the status was "ASSIGNED". |
| 18:10.44 | pozic_ | Arrowmaster: then someone should be working on it, no:?" |
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| 18:11.32 | Arrowmaster | could ask in a mozilla irc channel |
| 18:11.44 | Arrowmaster | they have their own network i think |
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| 18:12.35 | babilen | yeah, irc.mozilla.org -- #thunderbird for example |
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| 18:16.44 | pozic_ | Arrowmaster, stew: thanks for pointers. |
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| 18:22.14 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 18:23.38 | Nightmeister | u too |
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| 18:25.48 | Nightmeister | Everything is quiet today) |
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| 18:27.13 | squidly | What would cause two otherwise identical system to show different versions of the same package avaliable? |
| 18:27.33 | scx | hello |
| 18:27.36 | jelly-home | squidly: which command makes them "show it"? |
| 18:28.06 | squidly | apt-cache policy packagename |
| 18:28.21 | squidly | one server has a newr version the other one has the previous veriosn |
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| 18:28.27 | scx | why "gammu" package is avaiable in vesion 1.29 only for amd64? |
| 18:28.31 | squidly | and we did an apt-get update before that |
| 18:29.03 | jelly-home | squidly: not enough data for a conclusive answer. pastebin the actual outputs, please |
| 18:29.15 | squidly | jelly-home: ok |
| 18:29.18 | squidly | one min |
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| 18:30.33 | babilen | squidly: Along with "apt-cache" and your sources.list -- Could it be that you hit different mirrors? Check the respective IPs if you use one of the RR ones (cdn for example) |
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| 18:30.55 | babilen | squidly: Along with "apt-cache policy"'s output that is :) |
| 18:31.04 | squidly | sshhttp://pastebin.com/Ni4u0Mru |
| 18:31.23 | squidly | babilen: that is the only thing I can think of |
| 18:31.37 | squidly | but our config managemnt sysetm keeps the sources.list files the same |
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| 18:31.52 | babilen | !etch sources.list |
| 18:31.53 | dpkg | it has been said that etch sources.list is "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main contrib non-free". But realise that Etch has not had security support since February 2010 and that you should upgrade to a newer release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>. |
| 18:31.58 | scx | i need gammu >= 1.29.90 |
| 18:32.02 | babilen | squidly: you use this ^^^ don't you? |
| 18:32.08 | babilen | ,versions gammu |
| 18:32.11 | judd | Package gammu on i386 -- lenny: 1.20.0-1; sid: 1.28.0-1; squeeze: 1.28.0-1; wheezy: 1.28.0-1 |
| 18:32.22 | babilen | !tell scx -about uupdate |
| 18:32.27 | scx | it is avaiable in unstable and experimental, but only for amd64 |
| 18:32.29 | scx | why? |
| 18:32.47 | babilen | scx: See also http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-update.en.html |
| 18:32.56 | squidly | babilen: let me past big my sources.list file |
| 18:33.26 | squidly | http://pastebin.com/fpiVJqvm |
| 18:33.30 | squidly | its the same on both servers |
| 18:33.57 | babilen | scx: I haven't looked into the particular reasons yet, but not all architectures have the same versions. It might just be that the buildd's are busy, or that there are actual problems with the architecture. |
| 18:34.30 | jelly-home | squidly: no version of that package is present in your configured repos, so policy shows only the currently installed one |
| 18:34.35 | scx | babilen: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=gammu |
| 18:34.53 | squidly | jelly-home: ahh ok that would explain it.. |
| 18:35.16 | squidly | its the same on both serversthanks |
| 18:35.18 | squidly | thanks |
| 18:35.18 | scx | unstable 1.28.0-1 for armel i386 ia64 kfreebsd-amd64 etc... |
| 18:35.37 | scx | but 1.29.0-1 only for amd64 |
| 18:35.38 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell scx about uupdate |
| 18:35.48 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell scx about package rebuild |
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| 18:36.30 | jelly-home | ,versions gammu --arch amd64 |
| 18:36.32 | judd | Package gammu on amd64 -- lenny: 1.20.0-1; squeeze: 1.28.0-1; wheezy: 1.28.0-1; sid: 1.29.0-1; experimental: 1.29.90-1 |
| 18:37.23 | jelly-home | scx: stuff in experimental only has binary packages for architectures that maintainer cared to to build and upload themselves |
| 18:37.51 | babilen | jelly-home: I already linked scx to uupdate and the respective chapter in the nmg |
| 18:38.01 | scx | jelly-home: unstable != experimental |
| 18:38.17 | jelly-home | scx: you said >= 1.29.90 |
| 18:38.19 | babilen | scx: You have to build it yourself if you *need* it. Why do you need it btw? |
| 18:38.38 | babilen | scx: Not all architectures get the same versions/packages |
| 18:38.38 | scx | i know how to compile sources, or use deb src |
| 18:38.41 | jelly-home | scx: that's only present in experimental |
| 18:39.00 | scx | jelly-home: oh, sorry, i mean >= 1.29.0 |
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| 18:40.00 | scx | babilen: changlog say, that new version repair synchro with my phone |
| 18:40.14 | scx | :s/synchro/sync/ |
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| 18:41.42 | babilen | scx: Well, compile it yourself. Either the Debian package, or just grab the upstream sources and install to /usr/local -- /msg dpkg stow -- /msg dpkg stow usage -- I would recommend the latter. Or be patient :) |
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| 18:41.56 | Frenk | Hey, can anyone helm me to manage the following: I want my PC to connect to the Internet via a VPN Server. I have OpenVPN already on my laptop - what do I have to do on the server? Install OpenVPN, generate the key ... or whats the fastest solution? (atm its not much about security) |
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| 18:42.19 | scx | i have old PC, with VIA C3 CPU |
| 18:42.46 | scx | i am afraid, that compiling this app from sources will take a lot of time |
| 18:43.13 | scx | i can wait 1 day for binary package |
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| 18:43.45 | scx | but i want to know reason why gammu 1.29 isnt avaiable for x86 sid |
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| 18:44.49 | jmd | Frenk, Then why do you want to use a VPN ? |
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| 18:45.51 | Frenk | jmd I want to use the IP-Adress of the Server. (Long story) |
| 18:46.04 | babilen | scx: some of the dependencies are out-of date for i386 -- see http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gammu.html |
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| 18:48.10 | Bushmills | Frenk: static key setup is a simple config, but not suited for multiple clients. |
| 18:48.37 | Bushmills | Frenk: /j #openvpn, there enter !howto, and look at quickstart |
| 18:48.44 | Frenk | Bushmills: I want just one client to connect. |
| 18:48.49 | Frenk | Ok thx |
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| 18:58.42 | homie | why the fuck did they remove logitech generic keyboard from among the choices in console-setup in squeeze ? i don't get it! |
| 18:59.05 | homie | in lenny it was there, now in squeeze it is not |
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| 19:00.22 | homie | and what about the sysv-rc thing ? i don't know how to get things not started there, it was easy before with sysvconfig.... |
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| 19:02.15 | Bushmills | if everything else fails, use update-rc.d or update-rc.d-insserv |
| 19:02.32 | Bushmills | of delete the run level links by hand |
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| 19:03.16 | Bushmills | there's also file-rc, more suited for manual editing |
| 19:05.02 | homie | ok thank you |
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| 19:12.15 | sacredchao | I can't run GUI applications that use X as root from the terminal... |
| 19:12.32 | sacredchao | Googling error messages leads me to believe it is a permissions issue. |
| 19:12.37 | stew | sacredchao: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
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| 19:12.58 | oxi | hi |
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| 19:13.47 | sacredchao | stew: Isn't this a bug? Why should people have to edit this file in order to run applications as root? |
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| 19:14.26 | stew | sacredchao: no, its not a bug. your X session is protected by default so that other users cannot snoop on your keystrokes |
| 19:15.16 | sacredchao | I've run Debian for years without having to do this... is this a change that is Debian-specific or an upstream X.Org patch implemented this? |
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| 19:15.29 | stew | sacredchao: no, its been like this since before xorg existed |
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| 19:15.47 | stew | or xfree for that matter |
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| 19:15.55 | aphrek | HI All, I've just finished a fresh install of squeeze and get the following error when doing an apt-get update ttp://pastebin.com/t6AA6Chf |
| 19:15.58 | oxi | is there a difference between those images: dd if=/dev/sda | bzip2 > disk.img.bz2 and bzip2 -c /dev/disk1 > disk.img.bz2? |
| 19:16.02 | aphrek | http://pastebin.com/t6AA6Chf |
| 19:16.05 | aphrek | any ideas? |
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| 19:16.46 | _Lemon_ | Hello, I've just updated from Lenny to Squeeze and I've sorted all of the issues except one: kde apps don't appear in the Gnome menus, e.g. I can't find Amarok / Konversation! |
| 19:16.51 | oxi | is there a faster way of doing dd if=/dev/sda | gzip ... ? |
| 19:16.57 | sacredchao | stew: Any idea as to how I could have never had to modify that environment variable but always could run GUI apps as root in the past? |
| 19:16.58 | Daemonik1 | How can one determine the maximum MTU a network interface will support? |
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| 19:17.31 | stew | oxi: add bs=4m to the dd command |
| 19:17.45 | stew | sacredchao: no idea |
| 19:17.46 | ATIM3 | Hi, I installe Squeeze from a CD |
| 19:17.51 | Bushmills | _Lemon_: try, as logged in user, to execute update-menus |
| 19:18.09 | oxi | stew: I remeber someone here talking about gzipio oder something |
| 19:18.24 | _Lemon_ | Bushmills: Thanks, will do. I've also just found System -> Preferences and sub menus that do show it so I'll play around |
| 19:18.33 | sacredchao | stew: How can I permenantely run "export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority" for all terminal sessions I will ever open in the future as well? |
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| 19:18.54 | oxi | stew: I can't remeber the recommend, but someone recommended to use some other way to gzip it on the fly, which should be faster |
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| 19:19.27 | _Lemon_ | sacredchao: Try putting it in the user's ".profile" file |
| 19:20.06 | stew | oxi: you could try skipping dd: "gzip -c /dev/sda > output.img" |
| 19:20.25 | oxi | stew: what's the difference? |
| 19:20.36 | HackeMate | hello, evolution has the send/receive messages dissabled, i have configured an account and it was working until now |
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| 19:20.54 | stew | oxi: your dd command uses an inefficiently small blocksize of 512 bytes |
| 19:21.02 | stew | oxi: gzip would hopefully be smarter about it |
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| 19:21.13 | sacredchao | Thanks |
| 19:21.40 | oxi | "gzip -c /dev/sda > output.img.gz" vs "dd if=/dev/sda | gzip > output.img.gz" |
| 19:21.49 | oxi | stew: ah, ok, thnaks |
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| 19:22.23 | oxi | stew: I'm guessing there's no different output, just the speed is different |
| 19:22.47 | stew | oxi: yes. another option is gzip --fast (and then you sacrifice compression) |
| 19:22.56 | oxi | ok |
| 19:23.10 | ATIM3 | I did a fresh install on a Dell Latitude C600 Pentium III laptop which only has 1 USB port. This ancient laptop had XP before and a friend gave it to me when he got something modern, Anyway, he also gave me a no brand PCMCIA card which worked OK on XP but is giving me a lot of grief on Squeeze. |
| 19:23.22 | stew | oxi: or you can use any -1 throuh -9 for varying levels of compression, -1 is the fastest, -9 is the smallest, -6 is the default |
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| 19:23.34 | HackeMate | the evolution mail client is working offline, the menu "work online" is also disabled, is because the applet? |
| 19:23.59 | oxi | stew: bz2 only has one level, right? ... which is higher than level -9 gzip? |
| 19:24.26 | oxi | stew: and again 7z is higher |
| 19:24.28 | stew | oxi: bzip2 also has -1 through -9 |
| 19:24.36 | oxi | ok |
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| 19:24.50 | deego | Pre-squeeze, things like sudo xeyes used to wfm because it would just use the user's .Xauthority. But, now, it tries to read root's xauthority, and comes back with varying responses dependeng on the case; for example: Error: Can't open display: :0.0. :( |
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| 19:27.13 | aphrek | Hi again - tried to run apt-get clean but still get http://pastebin.com/t6AA6Chf - its a fresh install so I'm really confused. Any help much appreciated |
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| 19:28.28 | stew | aphrek: remove the corresponding file from /var/lib/apt/lists and try again |
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| 19:29.17 | deego | I want to run things like "sudo xterm -e tail -f /var/log/messages | ccze |
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| 19:30.12 | deego | I could switch the order and try xterm -e sudo tail ... but then I would have to authenticate in each xterm.. |
| 19:30.28 | deego | .. if I want multiple such xterms, one for messages, one for syslog, etc. |
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| 19:30.53 | stew | deego: /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
| 19:31.28 | ATIM3 | I did a fresh install on a Dell Latitude C600 Pentium III laptop which only has 1 USB port. This ancient laptop had XP before and a friend gave it to me when he got something modern, Anyway, he also gave me a no brand PCMCIA card which worked OK on XP but is giving me a lot of grief on Squeeze. |
| 19:31.31 | ATIM3 | I have a USB wireless adapter (rtl887) which works (it gives me internet access) if attach it to the usb port but if i attach it to any of the ports of the PCMCIA Card it recognises the usb wireless adapter but when i execute dhclient wlan0 , my wireless interface wlan0 (the usb wireless adapter) disappears according to iwconfig. How can i solve this weird problem? |
| 19:31.50 | aphrek | thanks stew - that worked, why does this happen? Thanks again. |
| 19:31.54 | shleda | hi, I a n00b & just now installed debian 6, I am unable to mount my western digital 250GB USB drive, it was mounted automatically in debian live |
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| 19:32.46 | amphij | shleda: you might find pmount useful |
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| 19:33.13 | deego | stew: thanks. I did. I still didn't see a way out, though. |
| 19:33.31 | stew | deego: then I don't understand the problem |
| 19:33.37 | shleda | amphij: do I need to run this command every time I insert a usb drive? |
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| 19:34.24 | amphij | shleda: yes, pmount /dev/foo and then it will automagically appear under /media/foo |
| 19:34.45 | deego | stew: sorry, re-read all the links. I think I will try the mit magic cookie export. Thanks. |
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| 19:34.48 | amphij | shleda: if you want automountery, you must ask someone else, I've never used such a thing |
| 19:34.56 | shleda | but my usb sticks mount automagically |
| 19:35.07 | shleda | ok amphij thanks |
| 19:35.25 | HackeMate | hi, how to disable definitely nm-applet? |
| 19:35.33 | amphij | I find pmount painless, but I'm in terminals a lot anyway |
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| 19:35.42 | amphij | HackeMate: uninstall it? ;) |
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| 19:35.56 | HackeMate | will not try to unnistall other gnomepackages? |
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| 19:36.20 | barbobot | hello all. |
| 19:36.28 | tonytraductor | hey |
| 19:36.29 | HackeMate | the fact is nm-applet doesnt detect my connection, and evolution thinks i dont have network |
| 19:36.36 | HackeMate | and the send/receive button is disabled |
| 19:36.37 | tonytraductor | weird |
| 19:36.45 | HackeMate | the "work online" menu in File is also disabled |
| 19:36.56 | HackeMate | clickin in the icon for work online also fail |
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| 19:37.34 | ATIM3 | can anyone help me? See my 2 previous messages and http://pastebin.com/fvHzzimS |
| 19:37.49 | owen1 | how to curl for specific file? |
| 19:37.50 | Bushmills | shleda: installing usbmount might do |
| 19:38.15 | barbobot | could someone say my name. Checking notification script. |
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| 19:38.38 | shleda | Bushmills: is it a package available in package manager |
| 19:38.43 | Bushmills | yes, it is |
| 19:39.07 | muneeb_ | does apt-cache depends resolves dependencies recursively? |
| 19:39.08 | owen1 | curl <my server>/my_file ? |
| 19:39.14 | amphij | ATIM3: is this about your wireless? |
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| 19:39.34 | shleda | oh and it will also install pmount |
| 19:39.50 | Bushmills | muneeb_: no. just one level |
| 19:40.16 | muneeb_ | Bushmills, then how to do it recursively? |
| 19:40.28 | barbobot | ATIM3: What's I know u. |
| 19:40.34 | Bushmills | muneeb_: there's a package, though, which generates a graph of all package dependencies, recursively. |
| 19:40.39 | Bushmills | i forgot its name |
| 19:40.48 | shleda | Bushmills: it didnt work :) |
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| 19:41.02 | HackeMate | well, i did /etc/init.d/network-manager stop and now evolution works, how can i prevent networkmanager open again next reboot? |
| 19:41.29 | muneeb_ | Bushmills, ok thanks i'll try to search.. but any pointers to it? |
| 19:41.34 | stew | HackeMate: uninstall it? |
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| 19:41.53 | Bushmills | muneeb_: debtree was it, i think |
| 19:42.00 | HackeMate | stew: will not try to unnistall other gnome packages? |
| 19:42.05 | muneeb_ | Bushmills, ok thanks again |
| 19:42.18 | ATIM3 | amphij: what do you mean? |
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| 19:42.23 | barbobot | HackeMate: I thinks it uses upstart. Look in that direction |
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| 19:43.05 | stew | HackeMate: yes, but you should be able to unmark packages as automatically installed |
| 19:44.22 | stew | HackeMate: try first perhaps running "aptitude unmarkauto '~R^gnome$' '~Rgnome-desktop-environment'" then try uninstalling |
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| 19:45.10 | amphij | ATIM3: why have you posted that log? |
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| 19:45.54 | ATIM3 | amphij: what do you mean |
| 19:46.05 | stew | HackeMate: actaully network-manager-gnome is only a Recommends: for gnome, so you should be able to remove it without having to remove the gnome package |
| 19:46.22 | HackeMate | yes, worked |
| 19:46.29 | HackeMate | it unnistalled a dependence but was ok |
| 19:46.31 | HackeMate | it seems ok now |
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| 19:46.38 | HackeMate | thanks for your patience |
| 19:46.47 | amphij | ATIM3: you posted a pastebin url of a kernel log snippet |
| 19:46.50 | HackeMate | i remember once i tried to do something like this and it unistalled whole gnome |
| 19:47.01 | amphij | HackeMate: what a relief ;) |
| 19:47.24 | HackeMate | *_* |
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| 19:48.09 | stew | HackeMate: yes, my unmarkauto invocation above would prevent that from heppening in those situations |
| 19:48.12 | barbobot | HackeMate: Say my name please. I'm checking notify script |
| 19:48.15 | ATIM3 | amphij: i posted that log because i want to solve my problem and be able to connect to the internet using my 4 port USB 2 PCMCIA Cardbus and my usb usb wireless adapter chipset rtl8187 attached to it |
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| 19:48.30 | HackeMate | barbobot: ok :p |
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| 19:49.03 | HackeMate | stew: thanks |
| 19:49.31 | barbobot | HackeMate: Thanks. Didnt work. BAck to the drawing board. |
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| 19:50.20 | amphij | ATIM3: do you have multiple devices plugged into the usb pc card? |
| 19:50.50 | ATIM3 | amphij: only the usb wireless adapter |
| 19:51.24 | barbobot | HackeMate: could you pm me? |
| 19:51.35 | amphij | then the raving about 'Generic Flash Disk' is disturbing |
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| 19:52.16 | amphij | ISTR someone having a similar problem with a 3G usb dongle (on windows) - the OS would often think it was a block device |
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| 19:54.02 | ATIM3 | amphij: no it is not because my usb wireless adapater also has a 1 gig storage built in |
| 19:54.03 | HackeMate | another thing, i upgraded grub to grub2 and the windows boot was dissapeard |
| 19:54.11 | HackeMate | does grub2 autoscan ? |
| 19:54.14 | owen1 | where is the cache located in nginx? i want to flush it. |
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| 19:55.27 | abrotman | HackeMate: make sure os-prober is installed |
| 19:56.15 | HackeMate | ah, werent installed |
| 19:56.38 | amphij | ATIM3: ah |
| 19:57.27 | ATIM3 | amphij: can you help me? |
| 19:57.35 | HackeMate | after installed os-prober, it just shows the line, i add that line to the grub.cfg and will work? |
| 19:57.39 | amphij | ATIM3: no, I've never had such a device |
| 19:57.49 | ATIM3 | ok |
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| 19:58.00 | amphij | ATIM3: google knows nothing about such a problem? |
| 19:58.16 | ATIM3 | will try other people |
| 19:58.41 | thewanderer1 | ATIM3: so you have a WiFi/pendrive frankendevice? try usb-modeswitch |
| 19:58.54 | ATIM3 | amphij: i could not find anything relevant to squeeze and newbie friendly |
| 19:58.58 | amphij | thewanderer1: frankendevice, hehe |
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| 19:59.07 | abrotman | HackeMate: you don't really have to do anything .. just run 'update-grub' |
| 19:59.12 | amphij | ATIM3: this is a kernel issue, not debian specific |
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| 19:59.37 | HackeMate | yes, i was just reading that in google, thanks again |
| 19:59.56 | ATIM3 | amphij: how is a desktop newbie supposed to overcome the problem i mentioned |
| 20:00.01 | ATIM3 | ? |
| 20:00.29 | amphij | ATIM3: thewanderer1 suggested something - did you try it? |
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| 20:02.30 | ATIM3 | i have the same problem with other wireless usb adapters i have which are pure wireless adapters, will usb-modeswitch help me? |
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| 20:06.15 | karsten-nr | What security scan tools would folks recommend -- external / public interface scanning (our own infrastructure). Nessus, anything else? |
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| 20:06.54 | amphij | ATIM3: did it help in this case? |
| 20:06.54 | abrotman | isn't nessus openvas now? |
| 20:07.04 | Bushmills | a root kit scanner, like chkrootkit or rkhunter |
| 20:07.23 | stew | has anyone ever had rkhunter actually find a rootkit? |
| 20:07.32 | stew | i haven't, even on boxes known to be rooted |
| 20:07.40 | Bushmills | ah, never mind.. "external scanning..." |
| 20:08.18 | Bushmills | stew, a few false positives with chkrootkit |
| 20:08.31 | dcoll | Will I be able to use the 1st installation CD as a live cd ? (actually, I installed via network and now need a live cd) |
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| 20:09.35 | Bushmills | dcoll: yes. alt-f2 for console |
| 20:09.55 | ATIM3 | amphij |
| 20:10.10 | dcoll | thanks Bushmills. Will save me some time :) |
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| 20:10.47 | Bushmills | limited functionality, though |
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| 20:11.24 | ATIM3 | amphij, thewanderer1: the usb wireless adapter works if i plug it into the laptop's only USB port and that is without having usb-modeswitch |
| 20:11.30 | ashutosh | how can I upgrade from squeeze to wheezy? |
| 20:11.33 | danols | hi is it possible to give a user sftp access to a directory through the sudo package ? |
| 20:11.47 | dcoll | as long as i can reset that root password..... *doh |
| 20:12.02 | ATIM3 | amphij, thewanderer1: and when i say it works, i mean i get a internet connection |
| 20:12.02 | Bushmills | dcoll: sufficient |
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| 20:12.58 | ashutosh | I mean I know that all 'squeeze' in sources.list should be replaced by 'wheezy' but what else to make it not break? |
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| 20:13.40 | ATIM3 | will be back in 30 min or so |
| 20:13.48 | Bushmills | danols: you can give user sftp access to a directory even without sudi |
| 20:13.50 | Bushmills | sudo |
| 20:14.00 | yalu_ | strange. I get a load of I/O errors on /dev/fd0 in the Squeeze installer, but this box does not even have a floppy drive. |
| 20:14.17 | stew | ashutosh: to make wheezy not break you should wait a year |
| 20:14.19 | stew | or more |
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| 20:15.00 | ashutosh | But that's all I can do to avoid making it break right? |
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| 20:15.52 | danols | Bushmills: I understand however the directory is owned by www-data:www-data - so the user can't write to it - any suggestions ? |
| 20:15.56 | Bushmills | nothing wrong with a bit of breakage on not too relevant systems |
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| 20:16.20 | stew | danols: do you need the webserver to be able to write to that directory? |
| 20:16.24 | Bushmills | danols: make user member of www-data group, and allow group writes to that directory |
| 20:16.26 | stew | danols: (that's typically dangerous) |
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| 20:16.59 | ashutosh | stew: Is it possible to come back from WHEEZY to SQUEEZE if I turn out to be the faint of the heart? |
| 20:17.09 | stew | ashutosh: no |
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| 20:17.38 | Bushmills | ashutosh: yes. squeeze install cds will still be around |
| 20:18.53 | danols | Bushmills: ok that's what I was thinking - just wanted to check if there is a better appraoch |
| 20:18.55 | danols | thank you |
| 20:19.01 | b_jonas | ashutosh: make a full backup before upgrading |
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| 20:19.13 | b_jonas | you would do that anyway, woudln't you? |
| 20:19.21 | ashutosh | Yeh, that's not something you gotto mention :D |
| 20:19.23 | b_jonas | also, happy testing away |
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| 20:19.26 | ashutosh | :) |
| 20:19.35 | stew | danols: does the webserver need *write* access to that directory? |
| 20:19.42 | danols | stew: yes |
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| 20:19.47 | b_jonas | I'm still trying to fix some changes that upgrading to squeeze has broken for me |
| 20:19.57 | b_jonas | I mean, where's my cal -3m ? |
| 20:20.03 | stew | danols: and this user needs write access to everything the webserver has access to? |
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| 20:20.07 | jmd | Who controls debian.net ? Same as debian.org ? |
| 20:20.10 | b_jonas | and firefox is acting up |
| 20:20.15 | danols | stew: yes |
| 20:20.23 | robblesz | danols: have you considered giving access with acls? |
| 20:20.50 | danols | robblesz: no - never used acls - just trying to keep thins simple for now |
| 20:20.56 | danols | it's only me and another developer |
| 20:21.23 | Bushmills | ,versions firefox |
| 20:21.25 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'firefox' was found in i386. |
| 20:21.53 | Bushmills | b_jonas: ask for a refund |
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| 20:22.32 | b_jonas | no, I'm rather trying to fix it instead |
| 20:22.51 | danols | Ok I deleted a user but when I type users it's still shows any idea ? |
| 20:22.52 | b_jonas | more things got better than broke |
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| 20:23.16 | b_jonas | danols: log out with that user |
| 20:23.19 | Bushmills | danols: pkill -u user |
| 20:23.38 | b_jonas | will that work if they're deleted? how would pkill know the name? |
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| 20:24.08 | Bushmills | user id would do. ps aux shows remaining processes of that user |
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| 20:24.33 | R33D3M33R | hello, what is the best GUI package manager for debian KDE? |
| 20:24.57 | Bushmills | R33D3M33R: the one with the nicest picture on its box |
| 20:25.06 | danols | pkill: invalid user name: longfieldr |
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| 20:25.54 | Bushmills | danols: user id. numeric |
| 20:26.12 | Matrixxx | hey guys i installed debian 6 but it doesnt recognize my hds!! what can i do??ç |
| 20:26.53 | R33D3M33R | Bushmills: if you are a console fanboy ... well, I'm not |
| 20:27.07 | jmd | Why does debian bother with i18n, when according to the website, everyone understands English? |
| 20:27.14 | maligor | Matrixxx, how do you figure that? |
| 20:27.31 | stew | R33D3M33R: aptitude |
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| 20:27.51 | yalu_ | jmd: you don't have your browser set to prefer non-english web pages then... |
| 20:28.10 | yalu_ | because here debian.org looks pretty much dutch |
| 20:28.38 | jmd | yalu_, So does it say then that everyone understands Dutch? |
| 20:28.47 | yalu_ | no |
| 20:28.48 | R33D3M33R | yeah, tried that, but it's hard to get used to it ... I don't know what happened to the excellent adept, but It's not installable |
| 20:29.16 | jmd | yalu_, They must have forgotten to translate that bit. |
| 20:29.27 | Bushmills | R33D3M33R: then you shouldn't ask for "the best" but for "one which even you can get used to" |
| 20:29.49 | R33D3M33R | troll on ... |
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| 20:30.08 | danols | Bushmills: I don't understand |
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| 20:30.48 | Matrixxx | because |
| 20:30.55 | Matrixxx | in the file manager i cant see my diskd |
| 20:30.57 | Matrixxx | s |
| 20:30.59 | Matrixxx | * |
| 20:31.13 | Matrixxx | is it just mounting or what |
| 20:31.13 | Bushmills | danols: try ps aux | grep "^[0-9]" |
| 20:31.26 | stew | R33D3M33R: adept is only in unstable becuase it is poor quality |
| 20:31.36 | Bushmills | first columns are user ids for which no user is known by name |
| 20:31.53 | R33D3M33R | oh, too bad :( |
| 20:32.10 | R33D3M33R | in kde 3.5 this was the best package manager i've used |
| 20:32.26 | Bushmills | shows that "the best" is rather subjective |
| 20:32.36 | Matrixxx | any1? |
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| 20:33.40 | stew | R33D3M33R: its been removed a few times becuase its so buggy/broken, see 464340 from the software author |
| 20:34.00 | R33D3M33R | ok |
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| 20:34.34 | aguitel | anyone remove iceweasel and install firefox from ppa mozilla daily ? |
| 20:34.36 | stew | R33D3M33R: oh, and dead upstream: http://web.mornfall.net/blog/farewell__44___adept.html |
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| 20:34.52 | ashutosh | Hm, a bad sed substitution made me lose my sources.list :O |
| 20:34.56 | R33D3M33R | uff :/ |
| 20:35.31 | robblesz | ashutosh: consider installing etckeeper :) |
| 20:35.47 | yalu_ | ashutosh: apt-get install etckeeper |
| 20:36.17 | ashutosh | hm |
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| 20:36.32 | Bushmills | daily rsync, round-robin through week days, of /etc doesn't cost much disk space |
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| 20:37.28 | Bushmills | considering that /etc is one of those places one may have put considerable effort into |
| 20:37.31 | Matrixxx | please!!! |
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| 20:37.45 | R33D3M33R | i guess i will use apt-get, and search for packages on the debian site atm, thanks stew |
| 20:37.50 | Matrixxx | my puppy linux distro shows that i have other partitions |
| 20:37.55 | Matrixxx | but debian cant why??ç |
| 20:38.06 | stew | R33D3M33R: my recommendation of aptitude still would stand |
| 20:38.10 | Bushmills | Matrixxx: fdisk -l should show them |
| 20:38.34 | R33D3M33R | hmmm, does mouse work with it? |
| 20:38.53 | stew | R33D3M33R: yes |
| 20:39.03 | ashutosh | robblesz/yalu: how does that work? |
| 20:39.04 | R33D3M33R | ok, will try again then |
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| 20:39.19 | R33D3M33R | cya |
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| 20:39.25 | Matrixxx | ok i did it now what |
| 20:39.36 | Bushmills | did you see them? |
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| 20:40.57 | Matrixxx | yeah |
| 20:41.03 | Bushmills | "my puppy linux distro shows that i have other partitions" ... now debian showed them to you too |
| 20:41.10 | Matrixxx | sda2 |
| 20:41.13 | Matrixxx | sda3 |
| 20:41.19 | Matrixxx | and so... |
| 20:42.02 | Matrixxx | ok |
| 20:42.07 | robblesz | ashutosh: it's just a wrapper around a version control system, like git or bzr. It puts your /etc path in a repository and gives you control over changes |
| 20:42.09 | Matrixxx | but i cant enter those |
| 20:42.14 | morteng | 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP problem with efax-gtk-3.0.17 efax-0.9a: 21:28:29 Error: tcgetattr on fd=3 failed: Input/output error is anything known ? |
| 20:42.17 | Matrixxx | how can i mount them?? |
| 20:42.25 | Bushmills | man mount, or man fstab |
| 20:42.55 | Matrixxx | maybe have them as icons on my desktop |
| 20:42.56 | danols | how would umask a speciic directory ? I never done that |
| 20:43.06 | stew | danols: with extended acls |
| 20:43.14 | Matrixxx | dont have time to read the whole manual |
| 20:43.17 | stew | danols: (with setfacl) |
| 20:43.17 | oxi | can 7zip be used to backup a drive? |
| 20:43.26 | Matrixxx | can any1 just give me the commands please? |
| 20:43.36 | oxi | 7za a -t7z -mx9 /backup.img.7z /dev/disk1 didn't work for me |
| 20:43.36 | Bushmills | Matrixxx: mount |
| 20:43.37 | stew | Matrixxx: it's mount |
| 20:43.56 | Matrixxx | mount then what |
| 20:44.09 | Bushmills | the man page tells you |
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| 20:44.54 | Matrixxx | the man page is too long |
| 20:45.09 | Bushmills | then you'll remain in the dark about the use of mount |
| 20:45.10 | oxi | "bzip2 -c /dev/disk1 > backup.img.bz2" works, while "7za a -t7z -mx9 /backup.img.7z /dev/disk1" doesn't |
| 20:45.40 | Matrixxx | please |
| 20:45.52 | ansgar | Matrixxx: "I'm too lazy to read" is not a good reason to ask others for help (unless you pay them). |
| 20:46.10 | stew | Matrixxx: you understand that all files accessible in a Unix system are arranged in one big tree, the file hierarchy, rooted at /. These files can be spread out over several devices. right? |
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| 20:46.14 | Bushmills | exercise selective reading |
| 20:47.00 | stew | Matrixxx: The mount command serves to attach the filesystem found on some device to the big file tree, okay? |
| 20:47.01 | Matrixxx | i didnt know that |
| 20:47.04 | Matrixxx | im a newbie |
| 20:47.51 | stew | Matrixxx: Conversely, the umount command will detach it again. do you follow me so far? |
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| 20:49.34 | stew | Matrixxx: if you have questions about this, just ask |
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| 20:49.49 | Matrixxx | tes |
| 20:49.54 | Matrixxx | i just want to mount sda2 |
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| 20:50.10 | stew | Matrixxx: The standard form of the mount command, is "mount -t type device dir" |
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| 20:52.16 | Matrixxx | i guess it worked |
| 20:52.29 | Matrixxx | becuase it didnt show any error |
| 20:52.38 | stew | Matrixxx: congrats, you just used mount by reading the manpage |
| 20:52.51 | Matrixxx | but i cant see my partition |
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| 20:52.54 | stew | Matrixxx: its unfortunate that it took me copying and pasting the manpage in here |
| 20:52.56 | Matrixxx | in the file manager |
| 20:53.03 | stew | Matrixxx: where did you mount it/ |
| 20:53.07 | Matrixxx | and i cant see anythiing in the folder mnt |
| 20:53.26 | Matrixxx | i just wrote mount -t /sda2 |
| 20:53.36 | Matrixxx | was that ok? |
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| 20:53.40 | penrod | greetings, which package is "finger" in ? |
| 20:53.59 | stew | Matrixxx: no, since you didn't give a type (which is probably fine, just omit -t) and you didn't tell it where |
| 20:54.01 | ansgar | penrod: finger :) |
| 20:54.15 | penrod | yes, finger ? |
| 20:54.37 | stew | Matrixxx: also, i doubt that /sda2 is correct, you probably mean /dev/sda2 |
| 20:54.41 | ansgar | penrod: It's in the "finger" package. |
| 20:54.55 | Bushmills | ,versions toe |
| 20:54.56 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'toe' was found in i386. |
| 20:55.00 | Matrixxx | the name of the partition is sda2 |
| 20:55.07 | ashutosh | What command tells me what release I'm on? |
| 20:55.10 | Matrixxx | i didnt know about /dev/ |
| 20:55.11 | Bushmills | ,versions finger |
| 20:55.13 | judd | Package finger on i386 -- lenny: 0.17-12; sid: 0.17-14; squeeze: 0.17-14; wheezy: 0.17-14 |
| 20:55.15 | stew | ashutosh: lsb-release -c |
| 20:55.18 | Bushmills | wow :) |
| 20:55.21 | Matrixxx | so what would it be then??? |
| 20:55.22 | jmd | cat /etc/debian_release |
| 20:55.29 | stew | ashutosh: err "lsb_release -c" |
| 20:55.30 | penrod | clearly not enough java in my system, my apologies |
| 20:55.42 | zvrk | anyone like to chat about future of operating system please join #LightningUnix |
| 20:55.46 | Matrixxx | mount /dev/sda2 ?? |
| 20:55.53 | ashutosh | Yeh, autocomplete figured that. :) After some fumbling, I wasn't sure where I am |
| 20:55.56 | stew | Matrixxx: you need to tell it where you want it to mount to |
| 20:56.04 | stew | Matrixxx: mount /dev/sda2 /mnt, for instance |
| 20:56.05 | ashutosh | Maybe this should really wait till I know Debian better |
| 20:56.19 | ashutosh | How can I check if my system is consistent and not broken ? |
| 20:56.35 | danols | where do I set the umask option for a user? |
| 20:57.26 | Matrixxx | ok now where can i find the partition?? |
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| 20:57.45 | stew | Matrixxx: what do you mean? the files in the filesystem it contains? |
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| 20:59.25 | Matrixxx | i cant see the partition |
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| 20:59.34 | Matrixxx | the files in it |
| 21:00.21 | deego | ((I feel so dumb.)) How do I change the font of the text displayed under the icons (such as Konsole) that I have dragged on to the desktop? |
| 21:00.28 | deego | (KDE 4 with debian squeeze.) |
| 21:01.58 | danols | where do I set the umask option for a user? |
| 21:02.00 | Matrixxx | its actually lxde |
| 21:02.01 | zleslie | Hi |
| 21:02.21 | ashutosh | How can I check if my system is consistent and not broken ? |
| 21:02.39 | zleslie | apt-get -f install |
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| 21:02.54 | zleslie | How does preeseed know which arch to install? |
| 21:02.55 | deego | Oh, sorry, wrong channel. I meant to ask in #kde. |
| 21:03.49 | Matrixxx | whenever i try to open mnt |
| 21:04.00 | Matrixxx | it say that theres an error opening it |
| 21:05.15 | Bushmills | Matrixxx: from command line, do: df |
| 21:05.27 | Bushmills | can you see your mounted volume? |
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| 21:07.09 | Matrixxx | if its listed there then its mounted?? |
| 21:07.18 | Bushmills | right |
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| 21:08.15 | zleslie | Bushmills: bad test, should use mount |
| 21:08.15 | Matrixxx | yes |
| 21:08.23 | Matrixxx | i can see /dev/sda2 |
| 21:08.51 | Bushmills | zleslie: df is more nicely formatted, and additionally gives usage info |
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| 21:09.19 | zleslie | what if your mount is locked up, df will not be able to read from the device. mount does not read the device itself |
| 21:09.20 | Bushmills | Matrixxx: for less nicely formatted output, do what zleslie tells you |
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| 21:10.04 | Matrixxx | i dont understeand wht she says |
| 21:10.14 | Matrixxx | so what do i do?? |
| 21:10.19 | EagleRock | Hi everyone. I'm having issues getting nvidia drivers installed. I normally maintain them through m-a, but haven't been able to get them installed via m-a, dkms, nor the prebuilt package. I get the same error every time: http://pastebin.com/BpH8xfJ1 |
| 21:11.02 | Bushmills | Matrixxx: i'm sure that zleslie will be happy to explain to you |
| 21:11.26 | zleslie | Matrixxx: it sounds like you already found your answer /dev/sda2 |
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| 21:14.16 | Matrixxx | i know it recognizes it |
| 21:14.23 | Matrixxx | and maybe its mountd.. |
| 21:14.31 | Matrixxx | but i cant watch the files in it |
| 21:14.32 | helo | can anyone explain why, if /dev/sdc2 exists but is not mounted, "df /dev/sdc2" gives the same result as "df /dev" |
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| 21:15.04 | zleslie | helo: because its not mounted, it will not read the device, it will read the underlying device, which is /dev |
| 21:15.14 | zleslie | and is mounted |
| 21:15.23 | jhutchins_lt | Right. |
| 21:15.24 | zleslie | df only operates on mounted devices |
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| 21:16.07 | Matrixxx | so? |
| 21:16.08 | ATIM3 | thewanderer1: i am back |
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| 21:17.55 | helo | i was looking for a cheap way to test whether /dev/sdc2 was mounted... maybe a somewhat better way is "grep -E '^/dev/sdc2' /proc/mounts" |
| 21:18.02 | ATIM3 | I did a fresh install on a Dell Latitude C600 Pentium III laptop which only has 1 USB port. This ancient laptop had XP before and a friend gave it to me when he got something modern, Anyway, he also gave me a no brand PCMCIA card which worked OK on XP but is giving me a lot of grief on Squeeze. |
| 21:18.28 | ATIM3 | I did a fresh install on a Dell Latitude C600 Pentium III laptop which only has 1 USB port. This ancient laptop had XP before and a friend gave it to me when he got something modern, Anyway, he also gave me a no brand PCMCIA card which worked OK on XP but is giving me a lot of grief on Squeeze. |
| 21:18.38 | tharkun | lspci -nn please |
| 21:19.07 | ATIM3 | tharkun, you talking to me? |
| 21:19.24 | zleslie | helo: use mount |
| 21:19.49 | ATIM3 | I have a USB wireless adapter (rtl887) which works (it gives me internet access) if attach it to the usb port but if i attach it to any of the ports of the PCMCIA Card it recognises the usb wireless adapter but when i execute dhclient wlan0 , my wireless interface wlan0 (the usb wireless adapter) disappears according to iwconfig. How can i solve this weird problem? |
| 21:20.13 | ATIM3 | can anyone help me? See my 2 previous messages and http://pastebin.com/fvHzzimS |
| 21:20.29 | ATIM3 | amphij: i posted that log because i want to solve my problem and be able to connect to the internet using my 4 port USB 2 PCMCIA Cardbus and my usb usb wireless adapter chipset rtl8187 attached to it |
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| 21:21.50 | helo | zleslie: i don't see the usage of mount that would be useful for that |
| 21:22.03 | zleslie | helo: you want to know if its mounted, right? |
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| 21:22.15 | helo | yes |
| 21:22.17 | zleslie | type mount, without arguments |
| 21:22.32 | helo | oh, this is for a script ;) |
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| 21:22.48 | zleslie | and? |
| 21:22.59 | zleslie | mount | grep sda1 |
| 21:23.01 | zleslie | echo $? |
| 21:23.28 | helo | so something like "if grep -E '^/dev/sdc2' /proc/mounts" is just as easy as piping mount info into grep |
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| 21:23.52 | zleslie | helo: sure |
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| 21:25.02 | Gnudoll | OK, what happened to Debian being slow on releases because they tested everything to death? |
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| 21:25.25 | abrotman | ? |
| 21:25.48 | zleslie | indeed. ? |
| 21:26.08 | Bushmills | are you using mission critical systems or servers, to care about releases? |
| 21:26.14 | Gnudoll | I upgraded, and now adobe flash is no longer working. and 3D accel is funky |
| 21:26.26 | ATIM3 | Gnudoll, not enough imo. there are quite a few show stoppers |
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| 21:28.36 | Gnudoll | granted, my laptops graphics chipsed is not well supported under Linux, but flash *used* to work. . . |
| 21:28.37 | cast | Gnudoll: adobe flash isn't part of debian |
| 21:28.49 | cast | Gnudoll: what were you using for 3D acceleration? |
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| 21:29.16 | ATIM3 | Gnudoll, you complain about 3d? 2D accel is not an option when it comes to the default squeeze install and the ATI Rage Mobility |
| 21:29.28 | Gnudoll | when I go to Hulu now, and try to play a video it crashes |
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| 21:30.21 | Gnudoll | my video chipset is an X300 (M22) |
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| 21:30.48 | ATIM3 | Gnudoll, ati? |
| 21:31.23 | Gnudoll | *used* to bew covered by the fglrx driver which seems to no longer support it |
| 21:31.25 | dokma | Anyone knows if /proc/bus/usb is needed in fstab anymoe??? I've got an ancient installation (some 7,8 years) and have seen some indications that that line is not needed in fstab anymore... |
| 21:31.36 | Gnudoll | yes, that is ATI |
| 21:31.36 | cast | dokma: it's not |
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| 21:31.47 | dokma | cast: can you explain why? |
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| 21:32.12 | cast | dokma: no, that was before my time |
| 21:32.28 | dokma | cast: thanks man |
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| 21:33.08 | ATIM3 | Gnudoll, does 2D Acceleration work in your case? Yes! 2D! In mine it does with the default squeeze install |
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| 21:33.43 | Gnudoll | I expect it does |
| 21:33.59 | Gnudoll | I need 3D for a couple of my games though |
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| 21:34.33 | ATIM3 | Gnudoll, you expect? 2d either works or not. there is no in between |
| 21:35.08 | Gnudoll | glxinfo says I have direct rendering, but calls itself "software Rasterising" |
| 21:35.18 | Gnudoll | how would you test 2D? |
| 21:36.15 | jhutchins_lt | Gnudoll: It works, it doesn't work. You get a GUI or you get console. |
| 21:36.16 | ATIM3 | Gnudoll, i do not need 3D. I am just a basic desktop user. You know, word processing, web browsing, film watching, that sort of basic stuff |
| 21:36.16 | EZmoney | on sid I had to add non-free mirror for linux-firmware-nonfree to get GLX on ATI to work correctly http://packages.debian.org/sid/firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 21:36.16 | Gnudoll | Oh, I have a GUI allright |
| 21:36.33 | EZmoney | your card is on the list? |
| 21:37.26 | ATIM3 | EZMoney: but it non free stuff, that defeats the whole purpose of running a free os according to HIM |
| 21:37.41 | EZmoney | such is life |
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| 21:37.47 | jhutchins_lt | I guess 2d perfomance would include things like rendering video. |
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| 21:42.26 | Gnudoll | as for the list, it shows an R300, but I have an X300 |
| 21:42.48 | Gnudoll | not sure if they are close enough |
| 21:44.40 | EZmoney | R300 is called Xpress 200. |
| 21:45.18 | Gnudoll | I have ATI Mobility Radeon X300 (M22) |
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| 21:46.57 | Gnudoll | and i see no X series chipsets listed at all |
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| 21:47.03 | roobs | hello i have a choice between libXRandR or SDL for 'resolution support' anyone can say which is preferred? |
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| 21:47.16 | EZmoney | TI Radeon Mobility X300 (M22 5460) |
| 21:48.29 | amphij | Xpress 200 used to be unsupported by the free driver, dunno if it is now |
| 21:48.39 | Gnudoll | EZmoney: is that what you have/; |
| 21:48.42 | EZmoney | x300 is mobile version of 5460 desktop version |
| 21:48.50 | Gnudoll | or did you see something I didn't |
| 21:48.54 | Gnudoll | ? |
| 21:49.22 | EZmoney | look at the list again |
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| 21:50.21 | EZmoney | it cant hurt to install the firmware it just wont load if you don't have the supported hardware |
| 21:50.55 | Gnudoll | Package: firmware-linux-nonfree (0.28) [non-free] |
| 21:51.03 | EZmoney | Right |
| 21:51.15 | Gnudoll | so I chould go to sid? |
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| 21:58.53 | zleslie | Anyone know how preseed determins which architecture to install? |
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| 22:11.18 | dury | hi there channel :) need help with repositories |
| 22:13.09 | dury | got this problem http://img195.imageshack.us/i/repo1.png/ |
| 22:13.14 | ouned | hi guys. Im thinking of using debian unstable or debian testing on my desktop. Which one do you guys prefer & where can I see which kernel version they are using in the moment? |
| 22:13.41 | dury | lenny, ouned |
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| 22:14.53 | ouned | dury: you are still using lenny? |
| 22:15.14 | dury | how do I solve this repository problem http://img195.imageshack.us/i/repo1.png/ |
| 22:15.43 | dury | yeah ouned, what's wrong with it? |
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| 22:16.51 | ouned | dury: the mirror you get your pakets from is offline doesnt have the lenny pakets anymore |
| 22:16.52 | ouned | http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/ |
| 22:17.24 | mullein | dury, i think your only options are to build those packages yourself, or else upgrade to squeeze |
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| 22:20.44 | dury | mullein is it difficult to upgrade to squeeze from lenny? |
| 22:22.00 | jhutchins_lt | dury: Not in most cases. |
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| 22:22.34 | mullein | dury, generally not, as jhutchins said |
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| 22:23.21 | jhutchins_lt | ouned: unstable shouldn't be used unless you're pretty confident with package management, rollback, fixing things from the console with no network connection, etc. |
| 22:23.51 | dury | 108 gb free /home |
| 22:23.57 | jhutchins_lt | ouned: Some people run it without any problems, but if you need the computer to work as opposed to working on the computer you should stick with stable, |
| 22:24.23 | babilen | ouned: The current stable release of Debian (Squeeze) has just been released. Why don't you use that? If you have any problems with it we can help. There is also no problem in upgrading to wheezy (current testing) or sid (unstable) later. |
| 22:25.00 | jhutchins_lt | dury: No solution, lenny multimedia died in the rollover. |
| 22:25.02 | babilen | ouned: http://rhonda.deb.at/blog/2010/12/20#5-reasons-why-unstable-is-not-for-everyone + http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/12/20/5-reasons-why-debian-unstable-does-not-deserve-its-name/ |
| 22:25.20 | babilen | ouned: The current incarnation of the "sid or not" debate ;) |
| 22:25.31 | ouned | thanks |
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| 22:26.05 | dury | jhutchins_lt: sxo what's the solution then? |
| 22:26.13 | dury | sxo = so |
| 22:27.06 | jhutchins_lt | dury: Either send Christian a wad of money and someone very good at fixing postgress, or upgrade to squeeze. |
| 22:27.33 | jhutchins_lt | dury: I'm lucky, I have all the dmm stuff installed already, so my lenny boxes are good to go. |
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| 22:27.39 | babilen | dury: marillat had problems with his database server IIRC. There is currently no dmm for lenny. There were a couple of emails on debian-user and I would have to check for the latest news. |
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| 22:28.17 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: Last I heard from him he said he'd given up and had to move on. |
| 22:28.35 | babilen | dury: I would recommend upgrading to squeeze. The idea of sending christian money and a psql guru is enticing as well though :) |
| 22:28.51 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: haha, yeah. That was the impression I had as well. |
| 22:28.52 | cafuego | heathen money is better |
| 22:29.06 | babilen | cafuego: note the "and" ;) |
| 22:29.31 | jhutchins_lt | Motivation + opportunity. |
| 22:29.42 | dury | babilen: would you drive me to squeeze, please? |
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| 22:29.50 | babilen | squeezes dury |
| 22:30.03 | babilen | dury: What exactly do you mean by "drive me to squeeze" ? |
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| 22:30.23 | babilen | dury: ah, another solution would be not to use any dmm packages. |
| 22:30.40 | dury | well to assist me how to upgrade to it... that's all |
| 22:30.58 | babilen | dury: We are here. The process is explained in great detail in the release notes. |
| 22:31.01 | babilen | !release notes |
| 22:31.01 | dpkg | Release Notes for Debian 6.0 (Squeeze) are at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze . Also ask me about <i-g>, <firmware images>, <install squeeze>, <errata>, <lenny->squeeze>. |
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| 22:31.42 | babilen | dury: Pay attention to "What's new in Squeeze" (esp. volatile/stable-updates) and chapter 4 |
| 22:32.02 | dury | right |
| 22:32.29 | babilen | dury: And do yourself a favour and follow the guide. If you have questions, just tell us where in the process you are (4.1.1 what does foo mean?) and we'll try to help. |
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| 22:33.15 | babilen | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 22:33.16 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <squeeze release notes>. |
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| 22:33.51 | babilen | dury: That ^^^ is the process in a nutshell, but it pays off to follow the release notes as you will not run into a bunch of common errors. |
| 22:33.57 | babilen | thewanderer1: noooo! |
| 22:34.06 | babilen | *phew* |
| 22:35.06 | Ahoalton | does debian work with any winmodems? |
| 22:35.32 | tharkun | Ahoalton: if you have the matching drivers it should |
| 22:35.34 | ouned | I saw that 6.0 is still using 2.6.32 while 2.6.38 (with a nice performance improvement) will be released shortly. Im not really new to debian - using stable for years on my server. I think i will just install 6.0 and upgrade later if the software which I want to use is too old. |
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| 22:36.24 | jhutchins_lt | Ahoalton: It can, but it's usually cheaper and easier to smash the winmodem to bits with a hammer and go get a real modem. |
| 22:36.26 | babilen | ouned: It is pretty easy to install a newer kernel or compile it yourself. |
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| 22:37.28 | jhutchins_lt | ouned: I haven't found any software that wasn't as new as I needed in lenny. |
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| 22:38.49 | zorganae | hi everyone |
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| 22:39.11 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: ping |
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| 22:39.19 | babilen | ouned: And there are other ways to get new software than upgrading to testing or sid. That does not mean that doing so is not an option, but only that there are other ways and it makes sense to think about a bit. I wouldn't recommend upgrading to wheezy *now* and sid needs some expertise (i'm with rhonda, although raphaël makes valid points as well) |
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| 22:39.30 | zorganae | there's something that is bugging me in the newer kernels: my WIFI light does not turn off when I enable my rf kill switch! |
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| 22:39.50 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: lenny? |
| 22:40.02 | Ahoalton | jhutchins hardware modems are about 60 -70 USD |
| 22:40.10 | zorganae | with 2.6.32 it didn't happen, after upgrading to 2.6.37 it doesn't work any longer (I think this happens at least since 2.6.36) |
| 22:40.11 | Ahoalton | where as winmodems are about 14 |
| 22:40.11 | tharkun | babilen: hmm and miss all the excitement of "Will it start up after i reboot?" |
| 22:40.28 | jhutchins_lt | babilen: Yeah. I use a few backports. |
| 22:40.49 | tharkun | Ahoalton: precisely and real modem will work for years on end. And win modems will fail constantly |
| 22:41.06 | jhutchins_lt | Ahoalton: Yes I know that. Winmodems often come with the PC. |
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| 22:41.58 | jhutchins_lt | Ahoalton: It's important to consider the effort to smash the winmodem thoroughly when choosing. |
| 22:42.02 | babilen | tharkun: haha, yeah. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=613409 (et al) |
| 22:42.04 | Juozapas | hi which command i can use in init script for start a program ? |
| 22:42.22 | Ahoalton | I had one that came with this computer for 7 years til I upgraded to win 7 and had to get a new one |
| 22:42.29 | Ahoalton | should have got a real modem |
| 22:42.36 | Ahoalton | but it was free from a friend |
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| 22:43.27 | babilen | Juozapas: The command to start the program sounds like a reasonable choice. |
| 22:43.33 | jhutchins_lt | Ahoalton: So like I said, you can get a winmodem working some of the time, but if you consider the cost of your time and effort, it's cheaper to buy a winmodem, smash it to bits, buy a real modem, and get that working than to buy a winmodem and get it to work. |
| 22:43.34 | babilen | !tell Juozapas about init scripts |
| 22:43.36 | tharkun | Ahoalton: one of the problems of winmodems is as you allready noticed the willingness of the manufacturer to generate "modules" for new OS releasses |
| 22:43.52 | babilen | !tell Juozapas about init script |
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| 22:44.40 | Juozapas | babilen: actually i just want to start /usr/sbin/inadyn but i must write it with start-stop-daemon right ? |
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| 22:46.21 | jhutchins_lt | Juozapas: The init script should do a graceful job of getting it running properly. |
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| 22:48.03 | babilen | Juozapas: The factoid from dpkg contains some good pointers about writing init scripts |
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| 22:48.32 | kminor | hey guys i have a big problem on my main production server |
| 22:48.55 | babilen | kminor: What is it? |
| 22:49.04 | kminor | I can't fetch linux-image packages that are there from security.debian.org |
| 22:49.13 | babilen | !bat |
| 22:49.13 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 22:49.20 | kminor | example W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.26-2-686_2.6.26-26lenny2_i386.deb |
| 22:49.40 | kminor | I just tried it on my backup server and "apt-get update/upgrade" worked fine |
| 22:49.41 | babilen | kminor: Could you provide all informatio dpkg just mentioned. It makes it much easier to debug the problem. |
| 22:50.11 | kminor | ok |
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| 22:50.33 | babilen | kminor: Does "wget http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.26-2-686_2.6.26-26lenny2_i386.deb" work? |
| 22:50.46 | babilen | kminor: Try that first :) |
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| 22:50.50 | kminor | I did happen to ^C out of it when it froze, dunno if that broke apt-get |
| 22:50.57 | kminor | lol hehe okay |
| 22:50.58 | babilen | it shouldn't |
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| 22:51.42 | kminor | yeah wget worked |
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| 22:51.53 | ouned | ok thanks for all the help. I will install debian squeeze and see if its okey for me.I also found something called backports which could be interesting for me. A other thing I noticed is that so many programs in gnome dont seem to save there last position which is really annoying.. |
| 22:52.01 | Juozapas | babilen: but if make it as simple as possible... i just need to put a command with start-stop-daemon in case $1 start block ? |
| 22:52.06 | kminor | downloaded the package straight away, just cant understand why it freezes on "apt-get upgrade" |
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| 22:53.11 | kminor | So is lenny oldstable now? |
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| 22:54.50 | kminor | using synaptic now all i have is the option for "oldstable" wasn't sure if squeeze was stable now and lenny is oldstable |
| 22:55.53 | kminor | could "apt-get clean" cause this |
| 22:56.32 | dthree | Hi, i have a problem with alsa |
| 22:56.37 | kminor | It works perfectly fine on a debian lenny machine I just setup right next to it that is also i386 |
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| 22:56.53 | dthree | i cant install my sound drivers :( in debian 6 becouse alsaconf not included, and alsacrt init not work :( |
| 22:57.01 | dthree | can somebody help me? |
| 22:57.48 | babilen | Juozapas: Just fill in the necessary information into /etc/init.d/skeleton -- should be fine then. |
| 22:58.52 | kminor | http://paste.debian.net/108123/ |
| 22:58.55 | Juozapas | babilen: it so many text there i think better idea is write one for my self |
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| 23:00.17 | babilen | Juozapas: Why? It is pretty straightforward. Fill in the variables in the beginning (the PATH, DESC, ...) + lsb tags (you need those) and check the rest of the script. |
| 23:00.27 | babilen | !rc.local |
| 23:00.27 | dpkg | /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is regarded as a hack, consider writing a real init script instead, ask me about <init.d>. |
| 23:00.31 | Juozapas | ok i will try |
| 23:00.38 | babilen | Juozapas: That ^^^ might be worth a look as well. |
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| 23:00.54 | babilen | But note the last sentence! |
| 23:01.03 | Juozapas | sound quite difficult just for a runing program at start up :| |
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| 23:01.10 | elraven | dthree did you try alsaconf from the terminal? |
| 23:01.14 | kminor | babilen: Here is the apt-get upgrade paste or synaptic errors http://paste.debian.net/108123/ |
| 23:01.17 | jhutchins_lt | dthree: Is it an ISA sound card? |
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| 23:01.53 | jhutchins_lt | !tell dthree about alsaconf |
| 23:01.58 | maix | I tried to install gstreamer0.10-gnomevfs on squeeze and it says gnome-desktop-environment conflicts with it, however gnome-desktop-environment does not provide gstreamer0.10-gnomevfs. what does that mean? |
| 23:02.00 | jhutchins_lt | !tell dthree about alsa checklist |
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| 23:02.45 | kminor | maix: you may have different repositories that have conflicting packages |
| 23:03.03 | babilen | Juozapas: the problem is that you have to make sure that, for example, the network connection has been initialised and that the daemon is stopped when the machine goes down. It really isn't that hard, but a little love is needed. If you want a hack look at rc.local, but writing a real init script is a good idea. |
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| 23:03.24 | Juozapas | a little love ;) |
| 23:03.31 | lucagiove | hello everybody any experiences with the auditing tool snoopy? |
| 23:03.32 | Juozapas | ok i will try |
| 23:03.33 | babilen | Juozapas: I wonder why inadyn doesn't come with a proper init script. Let me check what it does. |
| 23:04.02 | Juozapas | babilen: it's ip updater for dynamic dns site's. like dyndns.org etc |
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| 23:04.07 | dthree | jhutchins_lt: thanks i will check |
| 23:04.09 | babilen | Juozapas: This is not a daemon, is it? |
| 23:04.16 | maix | kminor: hm no, just squeeze, no foreign sources, no sid/lenny/... stuff |
| 23:04.27 | Juozapas | babilen: sorry i dont know a differnce :/ |
| 23:04.35 | babilen | Juozapas: You mean like "dyndns" ? |
| 23:04.54 | wessly | easyest way to build 3d game, can you navigate me to editor...or something else? |
| 23:05.00 | babilen | Juozapas: I mean is it running once and then stops working or is it working constantly? |
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| 23:05.28 | Juozapas | babilen: i must start it in background, other way it just run for one time |
| 23:05.33 | kminor | babilen: oh you asked for apt-cache policy, i didnt see that |
| 23:05.43 | LinuxGuy2009 | Did any of the ubuntu netbook remix stuff makes it way into the debian repos like the software center did? |
| 23:05.47 | babilen | kminor: One second please ;) |
| 23:06.34 | kminor | babilen: same result, ok thanks a ton |
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| 23:07.19 | babilen | Juozapas: Do you *have* to use inadyn or do you just prefer it to, say, dyndns? |
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| 23:07.53 | kminor | maix: it probably just has conflicting dependencies with the other installed thing. I used to run into that a lot when i ran sid on my laptop |
| 23:08.05 | Juozapas | babilen: for me it's not a big difference ;) i will give a chance for dyndns if it goes with init.d script ? |
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| 23:08.31 | maix | kminor: no i have squeeze (however using it since july or so) |
| 23:08.37 | babilen | kminor: Hmm, weird. You could just place the .deb in /var/cache/apt/archives/ -- But it would be interesting why you couldn't download it. am a tad busy with Juozapas now, so the investigation has to work. |
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| 23:09.12 | babilen | Juozapas: No, I just wanted to check if another client *would* be an option. I'll have a look before I make a recommendation. Gimme a second. |
| 23:09.25 | Juozapas | babilen: ok, thx |
| 23:10.26 | Juozapas | babilen: by the way it must support http://freedns.afraid.org/ |
| 23:10.34 | Juozapas | i'm using this site |
| 23:11.48 | kminor | babilen: ya its the weirdest thing ive ever seen..and only fails apt-get upgrade downloads with security.debian.org repo .. i will investigate it more, thanks for your help...good luck Juozapas with your problem |
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| 23:52.17 | eshat | santi: if you are using debian squeeze, otherwise use ext3 |
| 23:52.25 | lucagiove | " / /srv and /tmp ah sometimes even /var |
| 23:52.27 | mirv_ | i just use a single line in /etc/hosts rather than installing and configuring dnsmasq |
| 23:52.35 | babilen | Juozapas: But that works for your dyndns provider? |
| 23:52.36 | simonrvn | eshat: hell, i even have /var/log and /var/lib on separate partitions |
| 23:52.42 | walterheck | Hello, I was doing a clean install of squeeze 6.0 from the i386 dvd image into a virtualbox vm, and it fails. Where do I sub,it a rreport and what do I need to submit? |
| 23:52.43 | lucagiove | mirv_: depends on how many host you have in your lan |
| 23:53.05 | mirv_ | just the internal lan address (192.168.X.X) followed by space delimited domains served by apache |
| 23:53.19 | lucagiove | mirv_: I meant using dnsmasq as dns server/cache for the whole lan |
| 23:53.22 | mirv_ | each server has its own address so you just have a line for each |
| 23:53.23 | santi | lucagiove: I have one problem with LVM. I'd like to run a RAID1 and I have 2 HDD. If the first doesn't touch the other I can run this raid? |
| 23:53.44 | mirv_ | multiple hosts per server are on the same line delimited by spaces |
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| 23:54.23 | k3ks | hi, short question |
| 23:54.39 | k3ks | is the pciback module still in the squeeze kernels? |
| 23:54.50 | lucagiove | santi: I have just a couple of lvm installation and I did this way: md device and then lvm on that device |
| 23:55.19 | santi | lucagiove: You mean first creating the raid and then do the lvm things? |
| 23:55.34 | mirv_ | lucagiove: i don't use caching because the traffic to my sites is fairly low but i think i realise what your getting at |
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| 23:56.05 | mirv_ | i use freedns for dns |
| 23:56.06 | Bushmills | k3ks: there is no module with the name pciback coming compiled with the stock kernel. |
| 23:56.28 | lucagiove | mirv_: dns caching is for all not only for your servers |
| 23:56.42 | k3ks | Bushmills, which means no pci passthrough for xen? or is there another way? |
| 23:56.52 | mirv_ | i also only have a single public address, no load balancing or anything like that |
| 23:57.07 | Bushmills | k3ks: i have no idea. i merely loked whether such a module is present |
| 23:57.11 | Bushmills | looked |
| 23:57.14 | mirv_ | i'd like to get into ha clustering but my motivation hasn't reached critical mass yet :P |
| 23:57.25 | lucagiove | mirv_: lol |
| 23:57.53 | insystem_ | :) |
| 23:57.56 | lucagiove | mirv_: by the way all depends on how many system you have if are just 2 or 3 hosts is quicker.. |
| 23:58.08 | mirv_ | lucagiove: do you have your own dns cache? |
| 23:58.21 | lucagiove | if you have 10 / 20 keeping the hosts file up to date it's not easy |
| 23:58.41 | lucagiove | mirv_: yep but I use dd-wrt firmware or endian firewall |
| 23:58.47 | mirv_ | fair enough |
| 23:58.57 | mirv_ | how many hosts do you have if you don't mind me asking? |
| 23:59.04 | lucagiove | santi: exactly first raid and then lvm |
| 23:59.14 | lucagiove | depends |
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| 23:59.50 | k3ks | Bushmills, well that would be anyoing because it's the only reason i use xen |
| 23:59.57 | lucagiove | in my house let me see.. 2 pcs, 1 ip phone and my android phone :) |
