| 00:00.01 | santi | lucagiove: OK, could you please tell me which three partitions do you have? /boot / and /srv? |
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| 00:00.20 | robert00 | thewanderer1, thanks |
| 00:00.28 | lucagiove | mirv_: in my home office more or less 10-20 hosts and 2 servers |
| 00:00.50 | lucagiove | in my real office more.. |
| 00:01.05 | paxcoder | mirv_, sorry for not responding earlier: last time i checked, i can access HTTP from inside the LAN (another PC). so it's not a router problem. i'm guessing editing hosts won't help me then? |
| 00:01.24 | lucagiove | santi: I mixed up the things |
| 00:01.35 | lucagiove | santi: I'll show my mtab :) |
| 00:01.42 | lucagiove | santi: on 2 servers |
| 00:02.02 | mirv_ | pax: so your web server is configured properly if you can access from within network |
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| 00:02.16 | mirv_ | i would guess a router port forwarding issue |
| 00:02.24 | eshat | VLC nor mplayer have support for sftp input ??? |
| 00:02.33 | mirv_ | are you using single port or port range forwarding? |
| 00:02.56 | paxcoder | mirv_, the webUI i'm using needs a range specified. so it's 90-90 -> 90 |
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| 00:03.27 | mirv_ | sorry i probably missed half the convo, but why port 90? |
| 00:03.36 | lucagiove | ok this is my webserver without lvm: http://pastie.org/1580773 |
| 00:03.41 | paxcoder | mirv_, just tried that since 80 didn't work |
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| 00:03.52 | lucagiove | it's virtual |
| 00:04.05 | lucagiove | but wasn't virtual 1 month ago I virtualized it later |
| 00:04.16 | mirv_ | you couldn't see port 90 open on shields-up? |
| 00:04.39 | paxcoder | mirv_, nope |
| 00:04.45 | paxcoder | wait sec |
| 00:04.49 | mirv_ | port forwarding problem |
| 00:05.00 | santi | lucagiove: You "isolated" mysql? |
| 00:05.02 | mirv_ | what router you using? |
| 00:05.09 | lucagiove | while this is my kvm server http://pastie.org/1580776 |
| 00:05.16 | lucagiove | with lvm |
| 00:05.40 | Bushmills | eshat: workaround: sshfs mount remote, then play from mount point |
| 00:05.53 | mirv_ | also, sometimes upnp can cause problem with port forwarding |
| 00:06.10 | eshat | Bushmills: yeah I know, but I hoped for an even easier way, |
| 00:06.25 | lucagiove | santi: check out what the mount --bind does it's pretty magic :) |
| 00:06.44 | lucagiove | santi: basically you mount a dir to an othe dir |
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| 00:07.10 | lucagiove | then mysql is on /srv partition but is also reachable in /var/lib/mysql |
| 00:07.23 | rtra | so, it seems i've got my first data recovery challenge. I've got a disk with I/O errors. I'm ready do ddrescue(1) it. If I ddrescue the whole disk to a _file_ how can I fsck the "partitions"? Also, I think the failing disk has LVM volumes, which adds to the challenge. Not sure how this will proceed. |
| 00:07.33 | santi | lucagiove: Why are there no links possible? |
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| 00:07.38 | eshat | Bushmills: because I have to create a folder, mount, play, unmount with fusermount, and then delete that folder again,... maybe there is a tricck to avoid some points ? |
| 00:07.39 | lucagiove | santi: like a link but without links this |
| 00:07.49 | Bushmills | eshat: a script |
| 00:07.54 | lucagiove | santi: for mysql because a link will break apparmor |
| 00:08.06 | thewanderer1 | rtra: try kpartx |
| 00:08.19 | mirv_ | i gave up on disk recovery. i've got about 10 dead hdds that i don't want to chuck just in case they magically start workign again one day :) |
| 00:08.38 | lucagiove | santi: and it's trasparent |
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| 00:08.52 | rtra | thewanderer1: beautiful. thanks! I'm good to go. |
| 00:08.55 | lucagiove | but you know that's only my way... I'm not sure it's the best |
| 00:08.56 | santi | lucagiove: Now I'm really unsure what I should do.. |
| 00:08.58 | Bushmills | eshat: it should also be possible to automount sshfs, using the automounter |
| 00:09.02 | lucagiove | santi: ahah |
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| 00:09.12 | lucagiove | santi: forget the bind |
| 00:09.34 | santi | lucagiove: Should I try LVM? |
| 00:09.34 | lucagiove | santi: just do /boot / /var and /tmp |
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| 00:09.59 | lucagiove | santi: are you gonna install debian? |
| 00:10.06 | eshat | Bushmills: I am on a notebook and would like to use this on many computers, so a script and automounter do not help,... thanks anyway |
| 00:10.07 | santi | lucagiove: Debian Squeeze |
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| 00:10.21 | santi | lucagiove: Should I create a swap part too? |
| 00:10.34 | lucagiove | santi: eheh good question.. |
| 00:10.48 | lucagiove | santi: I normally use a swapfile |
| 00:10.48 | santi | lucagiove: After 2 years, my server never swapped |
| 00:10.59 | santi | lucagiove: What's the difference? |
| 00:11.29 | lucagiove | santi: you can grow as you want without caring of partitioning but with lvm this is not a problem at all |
| 00:11.35 | eshat | How can I share a folder thorugh upnp ? |
| 00:11.35 | mirv_ | maybe just do the minimum swap. disk space is cheap |
| 00:11.43 | lucagiove | then you can also have the swap partition |
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| 00:12.38 | mirv_ | santi: how many disks you got in your server? i use one for my os and one for my data (web server docs/includes and mysql data) |
| 00:12.45 | lucagiove | the debian installer has the same user friendly menu like ubuntu to create lvm raid partiotion and stuff like that= |
| 00:12.46 | lucagiove | ? |
| 00:12.53 | santi | lucagiove: Then I will create /boot in ext4, /tmp in ext4, /var in ext4, / in ext4 and swap? |
| 00:13.08 | lucagiove | yep |
| 00:13.16 | mirv_ | that way when i installed debian i just did typical partitions on my os disk |
| 00:13.25 | santi | lucagiove: I use a script called "installimage", it's offered by Hetzner |
| 00:13.25 | lucagiove | .. /boot could also be ext3 or 2 |
| 00:13.41 | lucagiove | santi: don't know |
| 00:14.00 | santi | mirv_: Two disks à 750GB |
| 00:14.09 | santi | Sorry I mixed up the texts |
| 00:14.13 | mirv_ | whats diff between ext4 and ext3? |
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| 00:14.31 | mirv_ | santi: do you mirror or can one be used for dedicated os? |
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| 00:14.42 | lucagiove | mirror |
| 00:14.49 | santi | mirv_: I want to mirror |
| 00:15.05 | mirv_ | maybe look into drbd then |
| 00:15.46 | mirv_ | i started looking into drbd and pacemaker but my motivation took a dip |
| 00:15.47 | lucagiove | mirv_: don't add too much stuff otherwise he will never install the os :D |
| 00:15.52 | santi | mirv_: Thanks but I don't run a cluster (?).. |
| 00:16.04 | mirv_ | actually i run out of space in my dining room for more cluster nodes lol |
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| 00:16.12 | lucagiove | ahah |
| 00:16.25 | santi | mirv_: It's only my little server where I can try and try whatever I want :) |
| 00:16.45 | lucagiove | yeah! |
| 00:16.52 | amphij | mirv_: heh |
| 00:16.58 | lucagiove | any one should have is fck own server.. :) |
| 00:17.03 | mirv_ | there's a debian.org doc on recommended partitions |
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| 00:17.37 | santi | lucagiove: I like it to share my files with everyone I like, without limits or anything else |
| 00:17.47 | lucagiove | ah /tmp partition is useful to have if you wanna set it as not executable partition for security reasons |
| 00:18.10 | lucagiove | the only limit will be your network connectivity :D |
| 00:18.10 | santi | lucagiove: How can I define this? |
| 00:18.28 | lucagiove | mh there is a mount option |
| 00:18.31 | santi | lucagiove: Don't tell me such cruel things :'( |
| 00:18.42 | lucagiove | lol |
| 00:18.53 | mirv_ | maybe if you start the installer, note down the typical partitions (you are shown how the disk will be configured before confirmation) then go back and vary them to suit your needs |
| 00:19.14 | mirv_ | i guess you only want one big partition for mirroring and the rest as small as possible? |
| 00:19.15 | lucagiove | mirv_: he is going to use lvm |
| 00:19.34 | santi | I'm going to destroy the world I think :D |
| 00:19.41 | mirv_ | either that or just go get another smaller hdd for os and use the two 750gb for dedicated single partition mirroring |
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| 00:20.28 | mirv_ | you can set up the same typical partitions in lvm during the install |
| 00:20.56 | lucagiove | mirv_: how small are you paritions? |
| 00:21.00 | mirv_ | then just use partman to change on the fly i guess (i don't use lvm but i've read about it) |
| 00:21.12 | mirv_ | i'll have a squiz |
| 00:21.23 | saebbi | i just checked uptime on my server, its showing 6 days. that is def not true, more like 200 days. whats going on here? |
| 00:21.46 | santi | lucagiove: It doesn't matter how much space I assign to the partitions because with LVM I can change it later? |
| 00:21.56 | Bushmills | saebbi: execute last to see that it rebooted 6 days ago |
| 00:22.51 | lucagiove | santi: yep but if you do it right the first time is saved time |
| 00:23.01 | mirv_ | i've got 1GB swap and root fills up rest of 40gb disk (i'm working on a 6 yr old laptop) |
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| 00:23.18 | lucagiove | luca@ulisse:~$ df |
| 00:23.18 | lucagiove | /dev/mapper/root-ulisse--root 3,7G 1,1G 2,6G 31% / |
| 00:23.18 | lucagiove | /dev/mapper/data-ulisse--data 50G 1,8G 48G 4% /srv |
| 00:23.32 | mirv_ | my server is probably configured a bit differently but i don't mirror atm |
| 00:23.56 | Matrixxx | hey guys |
| 00:23.57 | Saar | hmmm, I created a bootable softraid10 during debian install fully expecting it to not boot, but much to my amazement it boots |
| 00:24.03 | mirv_ | i just let root fill up disk and then put all my docs on a separate disk |
| 00:24.05 | Matrixxx | i cant browse through my folders |
| 00:24.06 | saebbi | Bushmills, its encrypted with dmcrypt, so it can't reboot without me entering the password, which i def did not |
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| 00:24.26 | Matrixxx | it says i dont have permission to do that |
| 00:24.50 | lucagiove | Matrixxx: you may not have the permissions to do that.. |
| 00:24.58 | Matrixxx | yea |
| 00:24.59 | lucagiove | :) |
| 00:25.10 | Bushmills | Matrixxx: then those aren't your directories |
| 00:25.11 | rtra | anyone using a dedicated partition for /usr/share/doc with transparent compression enabled? Is this a bad idea? |
| 00:25.12 | Matrixxx | how can i gfet the permission |
| 00:25.20 | Matrixxx | theyre |
| 00:25.27 | Matrixxx | because theyre sda5 |
| 00:25.32 | mirv_ | Matrixx: su in term |
| 00:25.33 | Matrixxx | and debian is sda2 |
| 00:25.41 | lucagiove | rtra: disks are not so expensive nowadays :D |
| 00:25.45 | Saar | rtra: i use a separate partition for /usr as a whole |
| 00:25.48 | Matrixxx | yh im as a root in terminal |
| 00:26.18 | Matrixxx | im using root terminal |
| 00:26.25 | saebbi | ok, so it did actually reboot |
| 00:26.26 | lucagiove | Matrixxx: run sudo nautilius |
| 00:26.28 | Saar | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 00:26.46 | mirv_ | what are the permissions for the folder you're trying to access? |
| 00:26.56 | mirv_ | is it possible to set none for reading? |
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| 00:27.28 | Matrixxx | im using lxde |
| 00:27.33 | Matrixxx | i dont have nautilus i think |
| 00:27.42 | Matrixxx | i only have pc file manager |
| 00:28.02 | lucagiove | Matrixxx: then run your file manager from the terminal with root privileges |
| 00:28.16 | Matrixxx | how? |
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| 00:28.28 | lucagiove | Saar: what shall I do with that link? |
| 00:28.37 | Bushmills | ls -l from terminal will do - no need to run file manager as root |
| 00:28.43 | themill | lucagiove: why would he want to do that? |
| 00:28.50 | santi | Hmm... |
| 00:29.01 | saebbi | so, my encrypted box apparently rebootet on its own. how can i find out why it did that, and more importantly, why wasnt i required to enter the dmcrypt password? |
| 00:29.24 | Saar | lucagiove: its informative in creating a hardened system |
| 00:29.42 | mirv_ | chown yourusername:yourgroup /folder -R |
| 00:29.43 | Matrixxx | how can i get to my file manager through the root_? |
| 00:29.45 | lucagiove | Saar: oh yes it's really interesting |
| 00:29.59 | Bushmills | Matrixxx: don't. use terminal. ls -l |
| 00:30.41 | lucagiove | themill: as you can read to keep it simple.. ls -l is too difficult ;) |
| 00:30.50 | Matrixxx | ok i did it |
| 00:31.04 | Matrixxx | now??? |
| 00:31.09 | lucagiove | lol |
| 00:31.13 | Saar | lucagiove: I must applaud your amazing reading skills if you were able to digest that lengthy article in the course of a few minutes |
| 00:31.17 | Bushmills | now you read the output |
| 00:31.28 | Matrixxx | i did ls -l |
| 00:31.28 | lucagiove | Saar: :) |
| 00:31.40 | themill | lucagiove: running a file manager as root is going to end in tears. |
| 00:31.49 | Matrixxx | why? |
| 00:32.09 | lucagiove | themill: you may are right.. |
| 00:32.13 | santi | Are 256MB / ext3 for /boot enough? |
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| 00:32.34 | lucagiove | Saar: I meant it's interesting hardening debian |
| 00:35.43 | lucagiove | Saar: sorry i thought you asked about compressing the /usr/share/doc and then i didn't understant the relationship with the hardening link |
| 00:35.55 | lucagiove | Saar: but weren't you :) |
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| 00:37.14 | Saar | lucagiove: oh, well, the article also gives you ideas how to [artition the disk |
| 00:37.32 | rtra | saebbi: i don't know about dm-crypt, but if the power didn't go out the password remained in ram |
| 00:37.33 | lucagiove | hope not to compress /usr/share/doc |
| 00:38.15 | mirv_ | themill: why is root gui bad? |
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| 00:38.34 | Ahoalton | how do I log in as Root |
| 00:38.40 | mirv_ | if you have a hardened system root gui shouldn't be a huge problem |
| 00:38.44 | abrotman | Ahoalton: login where? |
| 00:38.54 | abrotman | mirv_: you're root .. |
| 00:38.58 | Ahoalton | I don't like having to type it the password everytime I want to change something |
| 00:39.05 | abrotman | run windows |
| 00:39.10 | Saar | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch3.en.html#s3.2 |
| 00:39.12 | rtra | Ahoalton: use sudo |
| 00:39.13 | Ahoalton | I mean debian |
| 00:39.24 | mirv_ | abrotman: nope sorry i'm not currenty logged in as root. nice try though :) |
| 00:39.33 | Ahoalton | so the username is sudo and then the root password? |
| 00:39.39 | abrotman | mirv_: no, i'm telling you that is why it's bad |
| 00:39.50 | abrotman | !rootsmite themill |
| 00:39.50 | dpkg | takes away themill's root passwd. |
| 00:40.02 | mirv_ | abrotman: sorry you lost me |
| 00:40.03 | themill | öI |
| 00:40.21 | mirv_ | why is root bad? |
| 00:40.41 | mirv_ | i'm not saying its not, i just don't know why it is |
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| 00:40.56 | thewanderer1 | mirv_: the fruits taste much better... in general, because you can break things. oh, and programs who run as you can do the same... (JavaScript :D ) |
| 00:41.02 | abrotman | mirv_: what would you like to do in X as root? |
| 00:41.10 | themill | mirv_: seriously? You think giving a new user the opportunity to "clean up" some of those messy files kicking around in / isn't a bad plan? I mean, that things called /bin clearly needs to be emptied... |
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| 00:41.45 | thewanderer1 | themill: lol, that's how I learned on Mandriva |
| 00:41.54 | Bushmills | mirv_: user programs are frequently not excessively tested when running as root, and they may exhibit ... features .. which are surprising and most likely very unwanted. |
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| 00:42.01 | lucagiove | Saar: it's a good document many topics without too many words |
| 00:42.12 | mirv_ | lol yeah i used to do that in windows. i don't consider myself to be that stupid, but if i have a blonde moment i have my install dvds handy :) |
| 00:42.13 | lucagiove | I mean easily readable |
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| 00:42.41 | mirv_ | that's why i keep all my data on a separate disk so i only have to recover the os disk |
| 00:42.44 | rtra | saebbi: have you found out something about it? |
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| 00:43.14 | bzrk | mirv_: maybe a sort of comparison would be handling a gun, you only switch the safety off if you intend to use it |
| 00:43.33 | mirv_ | i mainly just use nautilus as root. maybe some epiphany |
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| 00:43.38 | bzrk | cause its so much easier to shoot yourself in the foot otherwise |
| 00:43.47 | joelg87 | hi guys, I have a syn flood attack on my hands, can anyone help? I'm not really a sysadmin (I'm a developer and have an early stage startup, I just do enough sysadmin to get by, i.e. set up LAMP) |
| 00:43.47 | mirv_ | but hopefully my iptables are doing its job |
| 00:43.57 | Bushmills | running a web browser as root is a very stupid thing to do |
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| 00:44.10 | mirv_ | why is that bushmills? |
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| 00:44.32 | Bushmills | because in case you catch malware, those program run with elevated privileges |
| 00:44.50 | linux_probe | i suppose mirv_ leaves his house unlocked with doors open, same with car and keys in ignition |
| 00:44.56 | abrotman | doesn't even understand why this is difficult to grasp |
| 00:44.58 | rtra | Bushmills: sometimes i browse official disto repos as root with lynx, just because I'm lazy :0) |
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| 00:45.15 | thewanderer1 | mirv_: you might want to watch some Black Hat or Defcon presentation slides to get an idea of how much harm a web browser can do to a system |
| 00:45.16 | mirv_ | i don't intend to catch malware, but if i do its ok i'll just do a reinstall |
| 00:45.25 | rtra | also, I calculate the risk of being served an lynx exploit to be low :0) |
| 00:45.34 | Bushmills | how would you know when you did? |
| 00:45.38 | bzrk | mirv_: well thats one way of running a system i guess |
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| 00:45.49 | mirv_ | malware usually leaves some signs |
| 00:45.57 | thewanderer1 | mirv_: sure but you can be helping a botnet (a dotnet? NOOO) commit crimes, or they'd be stealing your banking data |
| 00:45.59 | bzrk | enjoy having the cops knock on your door cause your system was used to attack others |
| 00:46.00 | Bushmills | and you're looking for those signs? |
| 00:46.01 | mirv_ | network activity, additional open ports or sockets |
| 00:46.08 | mirv_ | i try to yep |
| 00:46.11 | thewanderer1 | mirv_: and no, good malware doesn't leave signs :) |
| 00:46.30 | Bushmills | mirv_: what about more advanced malware? |
| 00:46.31 | mirv_ | how can it be malware if it doesn't do anything? |
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| 00:46.55 | lucagiove | mirv_: reinstall is boring.. and a waste of time.. |
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| 00:47.02 | mirv_ | lol yeah i am a bit boring |
| 00:47.05 | thewanderer1 | mirv_: would you mind moving this to #debian-offtopic so we can free the channel for some... more useful stuff? |
| 00:47.08 | santi | I will divide my 750GB into 512MB /boot (ext3), 200GB / (ext4), 4GB swap, 50GB /tmp (ext4), 300GB /var (ext4). /boot is a normal partition and the rest is LVMed. Any suggestions? |
| 00:47.10 | jmd | I've just upgraded to squeeze. Now how do I configure the X server? |
| 00:47.21 | mirv_ | sorry i'll try to keep to the topic |
| 00:47.31 | Bushmills | jmd: frequently, you don't need to |
| 00:47.41 | lucagiove | hi santi |
| 00:47.47 | santi | lucagiove: Hi :) |
| 00:47.49 | jmd | and in the cases where I do? |
| 00:48.11 | Bushmills | you create an xorg.conf file in /etc/X11, and out in your preferences and settings |
| 00:48.13 | lucagiove | 50Gb tmp ?? quite big |
| 00:48.19 | Bushmills | put in ... |
| 00:48.25 | santi | lucagiove: /tmp is purged daily? |
| 00:48.33 | bzrk | jmd: tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 00:48.36 | mirv_ | jmd: do you have nvidia graphics? |
| 00:48.36 | thewanderer1 | santi: the most I had ever had in / (of programs) is 10GB - I always settle for 12GB for root partition |
| 00:48.39 | lucagiove | santi: actually I don't think so |
| 00:48.53 | jmd | bzrk, YEs. It does absolutely nothing. |
| 00:48.54 | lucagiove | santi: but every reboot |
| 00:49.01 | jmd | mirv_, Yes. |
| 00:49.08 | thewanderer1 | santi: but if you write a script, it will purge daily :P |
| 00:49.12 | santi | thewanderer1: Only 12GB for root? |
| 00:49.19 | mirv_ | install nvidia-xconfig and latest nvidia driver |
| 00:49.22 | bzrk | jmd: its probably helpful if you tell what the problem is |
| 00:49.26 | thewanderer1 | santi: yes, why would you need more? |
| 00:49.26 | lucagiove | thewanderer1: obviously :) |
| 00:49.54 | abrotman | santi: no, it's not, and you woulnd't want it to be |
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| 00:50.02 | mirv_ | nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5 |
| 00:50.07 | saebbi | rtra: yes. the reboot was sunday 1:30 am. i hardly remember anything from saturday night. baffles me i was able to reboot my server though and enter the pw, and i have no idea why i would do that in the first place |
| 00:50.21 | santi | thewanderer1, lucagiove: ok, I will think about it again! :) |
| 00:50.33 | lucagiove | santi: :) |
| 00:50.39 | mirv_ | i think from memory if you install nvidia-xconfig and nvidia-settings packages they may require kernel anyway |
| 00:50.53 | lucagiove | santi: just tell us which services are you gonna host on your server |
| 00:51.01 | mirv_ | then just run nvidia-xconfig as root term and it will mod you xorg.conf |
| 00:51.02 | santi | thewanderer1: Is your name a bit German or does it only look like it? |
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| 00:51.07 | jmd | bzrk, The problem is I want to set the video resolution so it fits the monitor. |
| 00:51.54 | jmd | mirv_, E: Unable to locate package nvidia-xconfig |
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| 00:52.28 | mirv_ | jmd: use nvidia-settings to change resolution |
| 00:52.34 | abrotman | !tell jmd about non-free |
| 00:52.37 | abrotman | !tell jmd about nvidia |
| 00:52.54 | santi | lucagiove: Mail with Postfix, dovecot, dkim-filter, spamassassin; Web with lighttpd, couchDB; FTP with vsftpd; SSH with openssh; Fail2Ban |
| 00:52.58 | jmd | Under lenny I didn't have to use non-free. Why do I have to now. |
| 00:53.15 | mirv_ | make sure your apt sources include nonfree |
| 00:53.30 | mirv_ | i tend to use synaptic |
| 00:53.38 | mirv_ | rarely use apt-get |
| 00:53.44 | thewanderer1 | jmd: what graphics drivers are you using? nv? |
| 00:54.04 | themill | mirv_: non-free not nonfree. |
| 00:54.11 | jmd | thewanderer1, Well I'm not sure. That's why I'm asking. |
| 00:54.24 | lucagiove | santi: and are you gonna use your home directory? I mean is also a workstation or server only? |
| 00:54.25 | mirv_ | themill: thanks :) |
| 00:54.42 | rtra | is it possible to sort the erc-list buffer without using the mouse? I can't figure out how. |
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| 00:54.47 | nutron | what is atsar in comparison to sysstat? I don't get it based on the package description. |
| 00:54.53 | rtra | oops, wrong channel. sorry. |
| 00:54.58 | santi | lucagiove: I can't follow? For storing the web data I use /var/www |
| 00:55.00 | thewanderer1 | jmd: if you run `X -configure` as root from the console, it should make you a config file - it will place the default driver inside, so you'll know what you're using |
| 00:55.08 | thewanderer1 | jmd: also gives you a nice template to work with |
| 00:55.21 | lucagiove | santi: sure |
| 00:55.33 | santi | lucagiove: It's a server only, standing in a datacentre far far away |
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| 00:55.42 | jmd | thewanderer1, Yes. I've done that. Where does it tell me which driver its using? |
| 00:55.44 | mirv_ | using a standard driver you can set resultion in the monitor preferences ap |
| 00:55.47 | mirv_ | from gnome |
| 00:55.50 | lucagiove | santi: ok then you wouldn't use the home dire |
| 00:55.51 | lucagiove | dir |
| 00:55.58 | abrotman | nutron: sar can give you a historical look over periods of time |
| 00:56.05 | lucagiove | then all the services will be in /var/www |
| 00:56.07 | mirv_ | xorg.conf under device has a driver |
| 00:56.08 | lucagiove | sorry |
| 00:56.14 | lucagiove | santi: in /var partition |
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| 00:56.37 | jmd | mirv_, it says: "Configured Video Device" |
| 00:56.38 | lucagiove | this is your main partition that should be kept as big as possible |
| 00:56.42 | thewanderer1 | jmd: as mirv_ said, the generated xorg.conf will contain a Section Device, in which you find Driver "something" |
| 00:57.10 | lucagiove | for the / partition 5-10Gb are enough |
| 00:57.16 | jmd | thewanderer1, No. Sorry there's not Driver entry in that section. |
| 00:57.25 | thewanderer1 | jmd: so you can make one |
| 00:57.28 | mirv_ | santi: you can specify your web docs dir in your /etc/apache2/sites-available/domain file to make it wherever you like |
| 00:57.31 | lucagiove | software on linux are not heavy like in windows |
| 00:57.58 | jmd | reboots |
| 00:57.59 | ccg-- | 5gb arent enough |
| 00:57.59 | santi | mirv_: Thank you, but I don't use Apache |
| 00:58.01 | thewanderer1 | santi: it pays off to separate WWW and DB stuff from the rest - dedicated filesystems for /var/www and /var/lib/mysql in my case |
| 00:58.01 | mirv_ | i put mine on a separate disk so that if i stuff up i can reinstall without too much of a headache |
| 00:58.03 | ccg-- | should be 7 at least |
| 00:58.07 | mirv_ | lol sorry santi |
| 00:58.30 | santi | mirv_: No problem, I'm happy for any advise or suggestion :) |
| 00:58.38 | lucagiove | ccg--: luca@blackmac:~$ df -h |
| 00:58.38 | lucagiove | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 00:58.38 | lucagiove | /dev/sda3 8.3G 6.6G 1.6G 81% / |
| 00:58.43 | nutron | abrotman: aye, I know what sar is, I was wonderint what atsar did. The description is.. ambiguous |
| 00:58.43 | lucagiove | and this is my laptop |
| 00:58.52 | lucagiove | with lot of rubbish |
| 00:58.54 | nutron | what kind of bot is dpkg? |
| 00:59.11 | abrotman | infobot |
| 00:59.26 | abrotman | nutron: i think it's just the sar implementation |
| 00:59.35 | lucagiove | my web server: luca@serse:~$ df -h |
| 00:59.35 | lucagiove | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 00:59.35 | lucagiove | /dev/sda1 2,8G 936M 1,9G 34% / |
| 00:59.50 | abrotman | stop pasting |
| 00:59.53 | themill | lucagiove: please don't paste into the channel |
| 01:00.02 | lucagiove | themill: ok |
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| 01:00.12 | lucagiove | just 2 lines.. :) |
| 01:00.12 | thewanderer1 | santi: but move that server stuff to LVM, easier to manage and backup... if you like to version WWW data, consider using ZFS via zfs-fuse (for low-traffic sites only! FUSE is quite slow for pro usages) - it has nice snapshot features, very usable with web versioning |
| 01:00.31 | nutron | abrotman: nah that's sysstat meh I'll install and play :) I can always purge |
| 01:00.32 | themill | lucagiove: also learn to count.... 3 lines. twice. |
| 01:00.40 | abrotman | lucagiove: Don't Paste .. it's not rocket science .. use your damn brain |
| 01:01.00 | abrotman | nutron: perhaps a different presentation ? |
| 01:01.15 | mirv_ | definitely betterer to store web docs/includes and mysql data on separate disk from os, regardless of mirroring etc |
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| 01:01.31 | mirv_ | shouldn't need to mirror os |
| 01:01.37 | mirv_ | of course |
| 01:01.50 | nutron | abrotman: ahh possibly a fork it seems |
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| 01:01.52 | santi | thewanderer1: To be honest, today I decided to use CouchDB because mysql didn't work anymore after the squeeze update. :D About traffic, I offer my friends the possibility to register domains for them and their hobbies, so I never know how much visits and traffic their sites will have |
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| 01:02.02 | abrotman | nutron: a million ways to write something like that ... |
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| 01:02.18 | mirv_ | mysql stuffed up on my laptop after squeeze update too! |
| 01:02.18 | lucagiove1 | sorry |
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| 01:02.27 | ^-^ | Hi, how can i set apt-get to use first ipv4, not ipv6? |
| 01:02.27 | mirv_ | i just did a fresh install in the end |
| 01:02.32 | thewanderer1 | santi: so try ZFS and if it's too slow for you (not very slow, just unsuitable for hosting Wikipedia on FUSE...) migrate to ext4 :P |
| 01:02.37 | mirv_ | it also corrupted my virtualbox |
| 01:02.47 | nutron | abrotman: oh a million ways to write everything imho, they just look to be the exact same to me, in description and... when installed :P |
| 01:02.53 | santi | mirv_: Didn't work here, I purged it and then tried to install it and it failed everytime |
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| 01:03.12 | mirv_ | me too... i mean a fresh install of squeeze :) |
| 01:03.15 | babilen | Juozapas: Made any progress? |
| 01:03.17 | lucagiove1 | but is zfs available on linux without fuse? |
| 01:03.24 | abrotman | nutron: possibly different licenses? |
| 01:03.29 | abrotman | lucagiove1: no |
| 01:03.32 | mirv_ | i really wanted mysql so the work was worth it in the end |
| 01:03.35 | abrotman | not last i knew |
| 01:03.51 | thewanderer1 | still not... but FUSE is worth it for home and small installs |
| 01:03.54 | lucagiove1 | then I would go for ext4.. less issues.. |
| 01:03.56 | mirv_ | can spend/waste much time trying to get things to work the hard way |
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| 01:04.28 | mirv_ | only problem was that my laptop optical drive was ko so i had to isntall via boot server from a lenny machine |
| 01:04.29 | nutron | lucagiove1: I still rely on JFS, it's always outperformed everything I'd tried on default settings. |
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| 01:04.42 | kli0rf | hi |
| 01:04.44 | santi | mirv_: Oh, in this case I only thought "haha, there are enough other database softwares" |
| 01:04.45 | kli0rf | anyone awaken? |
| 01:04.54 | abrotman | lots of people, just ask |
| 01:05.09 | lucagiove1 | yes I mean even ext3 but zfs on fuse.. in user space.. |
| 01:05.10 | kli0rf | cool, anyone uses dovecot and maildir quotas? |
| 01:05.14 | mirv_ | santi: don't you have to modify all your web scripts for new db? |
| 01:05.19 | lucagiove1 | for a server... it's not polish |
| 01:05.47 | thewanderer1 | kli0rf: what's your problem with them? |
| 01:05.55 | lucagiove1 | polish.. forget me.. |
| 01:06.05 | lucagiove1 | it's not clean.. :) |
| 01:06.15 | santi | mirv_: I think I would do it with pleasure, it's a new job for me, a new chance to learn :) |
| 01:06.17 | kli0rf | thewanderer1: how it works? is there maildirsize file in every single maildir? |
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| 01:06.30 | kli0rf | thewanderer1: or it reads quota limits from e.g. mysql db table? |
| 01:06.32 | santi | mirv_: But my friends will protest with their ready to use things :D |
| 01:06.46 | PlagueRat | Is there a recoverdisk for debian ? I couldn't find it with apt-cache |
| 01:06.49 | thewanderer1 | kli0rf: it reads mailbox quota from the userdb - so you can set it in MySQL for example |
| 01:06.50 | mirv_ | santi: fair enough... i was just thinking i probably need to optimize my scripts a bit in case i had to do the same |
| 01:07.03 | nutron | abrotman: hmm, seems that sysstat is more feature complete, otherwise providing the same functionality. The licenses are both GPL from what I found, and they conflict with each other. Alright, I'll let it go. |
| 01:07.05 | thewanderer1 | kli0rf: open the wiki and read it - it has examples plus hacks |
| 01:07.26 | nutron | nvm they only conflict with older versions |
| 01:07.28 | abrotman | nutron: good enough! |
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| 01:07.31 | mirv_ | i get a bit lazy with php... its a lazy language :) |
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| 01:07.46 | mirv_ | different from the typecast world of delphi that i'm used to |
| 01:07.52 | nutron | abrotman: heh indeed. |
| 01:07.53 | kli0rf | thewanderer1: i was reading wiki but couldn't find an answer. anyway, so no maildirsize file in maildirs? |
| 01:07.54 | Juozapas | babilen: no... i will do it tomorow ;) |
| 01:08.08 | santi | mirv_: I really like PHP it's my first thing where I got in touch with the web |
| 01:08.09 | kli0rf | wow, Juozapas? sounds lithuanian |
| 01:08.18 | thewanderer1 | kli0rf: never seen it there... always used MySQL to store the info. currently in LDAP I think |
| 01:08.29 | Juozapas | kli0rf: yeah ;] |
| 01:08.53 | mirv_ | santi: me too. started with php/mysql for dummies. very powerful. i've started playing with gd lately |
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| 01:09.15 | wolfric | what would be the bare minimum graphical packages i'd have to install if i just wanted to run some rdp program. Without any window manager. |
| 01:09.28 | wolfric | rdp client, just to specify |
| 01:09.40 | abrotman | wolfric: xrdp ? |
| 01:09.52 | santi | mirv_: I started at webme.com (silly company today), then went to freehosters, then to a paid hoster and then I rent my washing machine :) |
| 01:09.59 | kli0rf | Juozapas: does the band "shventas sodas" says anything to ya? |
| 01:10.04 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: xrdp is the server |
| 01:10.17 | santi | mirv_: I thought about buy books too but I knew I will never read them |
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| 01:10.48 | abrotman | bleh .. silly me |
| 01:10.58 | mirv_ | wolfric: elinux or dsl |
| 01:11.00 | Juozapas | kli0rf: yes for sure ;] |
| 01:11.11 | abrotman | wolfric: rdesktop is the client |
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| 01:11.34 | mirv_ | santi: yeah i've thought about renting my washing machine too :P |
| 01:11.39 | Bushmills | santi: hetzner isn't such a bad choice. decent servers for what you pay. i assume you got yourself an EQ4 |
| 01:11.47 | mirv_ | i've only got virtualbox running on a low spec server though |
| 01:11.57 | thewanderer1 | wolfric: you might also want to see it on the screen... xserver-xorg and xserver-xorg-core should do, then write an xinitrc or setup xdm autologin or similar |
| 01:12.20 | mirv_ | waiting for cost of building/maintaining data centers to go down :) |
| 01:12.23 | kli0rf | Juozapas: oh, so you're the same textpattern guy :) |
| 01:12.30 | santi | mirv_: Do it! I love it! |
| 01:12.40 | santi | Bushmills: Yes, I rent an EQ4 |
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| 01:12.48 | kli0rf | ok, gotta go. laters |
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| 01:12.53 | abrotman | !ot |
| 01:12.53 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 01:13.00 | santi | Sorry |
| 01:13.13 | mirv_ | lol no more washing machine talk |
| 01:13.25 | santi | I go there |
| 01:13.32 | Bushmills | santi: apply for those 100 GiB backup space - you can mount those, put a ile system image there, and loop mount that, for some extra space. |
| 01:13.52 | Juozapas | kli0rf: oh that was just for showing how it will work ;) i was planning to do it properly but then everyhing just gone down |
| 01:14.10 | wolfric | thewanderer1: so if i had debian installed without any graphical packages (as in just the standard system), what would i run to be able to display an rdp program (such as xrdp) |
| 01:14.27 | wolfric | what would i install rather (as in what what would i put after apt-get install ) |
| 01:14.40 | mirv_ | just have xorg installed without wm |
| 01:15.11 | mirv_ | install system with wm and then remove wm (eg gnome)? kinda seems backward but might work |
| 01:15.16 | santi | Bushmills: I already did, backup every day at 2am! |
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| 01:15.36 | abrotman | the 'xorg' metapackage installs a minimal WM |
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| 01:15.43 | santi | Bushmills: Extra space? 750GB are already too much |
| 01:15.56 | Bushmills | as far ... |
| 01:16.36 | mirv_ | what the dependencies for xrdp package? |
| 01:17.05 | Bushmills | apt-cache depends xrdp |
| 01:17.51 | mirv_ | xrdp doesn't depend on something like gtk does it? |
| 01:18.24 | abrotman | he wants rdesktop .. i misspoke earlire |
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| 01:18.57 | Ahoalton | is it possible to downoad packages and install them offline to debian |
| 01:19.16 | mirv_ | xrdp depends libx11-6 |
| 01:19.17 | dvs | Ahadiel: apt-zip |
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| 01:19.21 | Bushmills | mirv_: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/xrdp.png |
| 01:19.27 | thewanderer1 | dvs: tab fail :) |
| 01:19.29 | abrotman | Ahoalton: apt-zip |
| 01:19.40 | dvs | liar! |
| 01:19.49 | Ahoalton | what's that mean abrotman? |
| 01:19.54 | abrotman | it's a program |
| 01:19.56 | dvs | thewanderer1: oh, I missed that. |
| 01:20.11 | dvs | oops |
| 01:20.18 | mirv_ | xrdp doesn't seem to need anything gnomish, so maybe just try installing libx11 |
| 01:20.20 | Ahoalton | what does it do? |
| 01:20.37 | mirv_ | or try my old trick of removing things till you break your system :) |
| 01:20.42 | streuner__ | /msg dpkg apt-zip |
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| 01:21.31 | abrotman | mirv_: the packages have dependencies for a reason .. stop making it more confusing |
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| 01:22.23 | mirv_ | i meant removing using apt so that dependencies are satisfied |
| 01:22.47 | abrotman | stop please |
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| 01:23.07 | mirv_ | just do debian minimal install and then apt-get xrdp. dependencies should be installed with it |
| 01:23.09 | Ahoalton | so mono is in squeeze? |
| 01:23.29 | streuner__ | sure |
| 01:23.30 | abrotman | mirv_: just stop already |
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| 01:24.04 | Ahoalton | so are all of these packages in squeeze by default or do I need to addthem : http://packages.debian.org/stable/ |
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| 01:24.25 | abrotman | Ahoalton: they're all there as long as you have http deb sources |
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| 01:24.41 | Ahoalton | how do I know? I just installed from the DVD |
| 01:24.45 | Ahoalton | the first DVD |
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| 01:25.01 | Ahoalton | I haven't connected to the internet with debian yet |
| 01:25.03 | tknudsen | Is it possible to rebuild all packages from source on debian? like freebsd |
| 01:25.11 | streuner__ | sure |
| 01:25.15 | abrotman | Ahoalton: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:25.16 | Ahoalton | I wont be able to do that until next wekk |
| 01:25.17 | streuner__ | but that would be insane |
| 01:25.24 | abrotman | tknudsen: you can, but it's really not worth your time |
| 01:25.28 | karlpinc | Ahoalton: The /etc/apt/sources.list file says where you're getting packages from. You could look at it from the command line, or use something like synatpic if you're allergic to text. |
| 01:25.47 | tknudsen | how would you folks go about that? |
| 01:25.58 | streuner__ | tknudsen: we think that a DD usually have more knowledge about a package |
| 01:26.04 | karlpinc | tknudsen: What would you gain? |
| 01:26.29 | streuner__ | tknudsen: if you have a special need, you are always able to make your OWN deb |
| 01:26.34 | tknudsen | karlpinc, have things built with my own compile flags |
| 01:26.36 | mirv_ | ahoalton: can use software sources app under gnome system->admin menu |
| 01:26.37 | karlpinc | s/synatpic/synaptic/ |
| 01:26.58 | abrotman | !tell tknudsen about apt-build |
| 01:26.59 | karlpinc | tknudsen: Then you'd be making your own .debs. |
| 01:27.20 | tknudsen | aha |
| 01:27.32 | Ahoalton | is that part of the drop down menu mirv_? |
| 01:27.41 | tharkun | Gentlemen how do i know if _ (underscore) is considered a character on a specific locale? |
| 01:27.51 | mirv_ | ahoalton: do you use gnome? |
| 01:28.09 | karsten-nr | tharkun: iconf is probably a large part of your answer. |
| 01:28.18 | karlpinc | I've forgotten. If there's a tarball I want to ./config;make;make install what's the debian tool (begins with an s or a u?) that does that sort of thing and keeps track of the result in /usr/local? |
| 01:28.19 | Ahoalton | uhh, I downloaded the torrent iso and burned it |
| 01:28.25 | Ahoalton | I don't know if its gnome or kde |
| 01:28.27 | karsten-nr | tharkun: ... and underscore is part of the C locale / basic ASCII characterset, so it should be. |
| 01:28.29 | Ahoalton | how can I tell? |
| 01:28.33 | abrotman | mirv_: please STOP |
| 01:28.33 | karsten-nr | tharkun: s/iconf/iconv/ |
| 01:28.51 | Ahoalton | mirv_ PM please? |
| 01:28.53 | karsten-nr | karlpinc: stow, or ckeckinstall, IIRC |
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| 01:28.55 | abrotman | Ahoalton: look in /etc/apt/sources.list .. do you have http sources listed? `cat /etc/apt/sources.list` .. look at the output |
| 01:29.03 | karlpinc | mirv_: Go to #debian-offtopic for idle chit-chat. |
| 01:29.10 | tharkun | karsten-nr: it seems postgreql will silently ignore it. And the people there told me it is locale specific |
| 01:29.12 | mirv_ | ahoalton: k i think abrotman has it in for me |
| 01:29.14 | karlpinc | karsten-nr: Thanks. stow was what I was thinking of. |
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| 01:29.23 | tharkun | for man 7 select "... is sorted according to the locale-specific collation order .." |
| 01:29.30 | tharkun | s/for/from/ |
| 01:29.32 | abrotman | mirv_: you're not helping him, you're confusing the crap out of everyone you talk to .. |
| 01:30.24 | mirv_ | speak for yourself, but point taken |
| 01:30.25 | karlpinc | tharkun: The locale for a pg db is determined when you create the cluster, and then can be set (as of late) by db as well upon creation (and perhaps elsewhen). Is that helpful? |
| 01:30.38 | tknudsen | I heard there's a new set of packages. more recent stuff. what's that called? |
| 01:30.42 | abrotman | mirv_: i'm not speaking for myself, others have commented in private to me |
| 01:31.01 | mirv_ | if they have a problem with me they can always pm me directly |
| 01:31.03 | karlpinc | tharkun: And the locale chosen determines the collation order. |
| 01:31.10 | karsten-nr | tharkun: postgresql ignores underbar how and where? |
| 01:31.11 | tharkun | karlpinc: well for the whole live of this machine it has been on en_US.UTF-8 so i am kind of lost |
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| 01:31.27 | abrotman | mirv_: that is NOT how this channel works .. we prefer to keep it in the channel to keep morons like you from giving bad advice |
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| 01:31.50 | karlpinc | tharkun: I'd imagine that your pg dbs are en_US.UTF-8 too. What's the problem? |
| 01:31.55 | tharkun | karlpinc, karlpinc: my tab completion sucks so you might get cross messages. BTW thank you both on helping me |
| 01:32.18 | Vasistha | tharkun: hehe, that was a brilliant example of the tab completion sucking |
| 01:32.19 | tharkun | postgres is utterly ignoring underbar |
| 01:32.36 | karsten-nr | tharkun: '_' is ASCII 0x5F. That's *really* low in the characterset (before lowercase alpha, even). |
| 01:33.00 | karlpinc | mirv_: What happens in this channel if if the channel finds you annoying sooner or later an op will kick you from the channel. |
| 01:33.36 | tharkun | karsten-nr: well i get ALIMEPER019 \n _ALMACENAJES_ALMACENAJES \n ALMENCON001 |
| 01:33.43 | karlpinc | karsten-nr: I'd think it'd be in the same slot in en_US.UTF-8 too, but haven't looked.... |
| 01:33.46 | Vasistha | I am curious to know what the general reactions to KDE 4 have been in #debian ... anywhere I might read about people's upgrade experiences? |
| 01:33.51 | Hydroxide | karlpinc, tharkun, karsten-nr: I only caught the end of the conversation, but there is a known issue I think in the postgresql client shipped in squeeze with non-ascii characters. it doesn't actually affect the database system itself. |
| 01:34.29 | karlpinc | Hydroxide: Does the client "strip" _ chars? |
| 01:34.31 | Hydroxide | karlpinc, tharkun, karsten-nr: just the interactive psql client. and of course the standard ascii underscore character shouldn't be a problem even with that |
| 01:34.52 | abrotman | Hydroxide: you mean the libread stuff? |
| 01:34.58 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: not that I know of, no. |
| 01:35.02 | Hydroxide | abrotman: libreadline vs libedit, yeah |
| 01:35.09 | tharkun | Hydroxide: it is indeed on the pgsql client that is giving me some headache |
| 01:35.11 | abrotman | Hydroxide: i thought that completely crashed psql ? |
| 01:35.24 | Hydroxide | karlpinc: still, not all characters that can be classified as "underbar" are ascii :) |
| 01:35.32 | karlpinc | Vasistha: I'd check the mailing list archives -- but that's just me. |
| 01:35.35 | tharkun | Hydroxide: libpqe does not have the same isue? |
| 01:35.37 | abrotman | http://petereisentraut.blogspot.com/2011/02/squeeze-postgresql-broken.html .. that one ? |
| 01:35.47 | Hydroxide | tharkun: it's just a problem with the interactive client, not libpq or the serve ror anything |
| 01:35.54 | Hydroxide | just the psql command-line interactive client |
| 01:35.59 | Hydroxide | I think even batch stuff with psql might work |
| 01:36.00 | karlpinc | Hydroxide, tharkun: That's a thought. Maybe it's not really _ that's ignored, but the keyboard is generating something else? |
| 01:36.06 | tharkun | Hydroxide: thx i'll do my testing with the lib then |
| 01:36.09 | abrotman | http://blog.snow-crash.org/2011/02/using-psql-with-readline.html .. also that one ? |
| 01:36.20 | Hydroxide | abrotman: interesting, I had forgotten that it also crashed |
| 01:36.32 | abrotman | yay |
| 01:36.41 | Hydroxide | tharkun: I would not at all be surprised if this gets fixed in a stable update, even as a non-security issue |
| 01:36.54 | Hydroxide | tharkun: that said, yes, the actual functionality should work |
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| 01:37.48 | tharkun | tp://blog.snow-crash.org/2011/02/using-psql-with-readline.html .. also that one ? |
| 01:37.50 | tharkun | 19:36 < Hydroxide> abrotman: interesting, I had forgotten that it also crashed |
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| 01:38.26 | tharkun | Sorry runaway mouse |
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| 01:39.29 | santi | Je suis en vie - for information :) |
| 01:39.39 | Hydroxide | tharkun: this particular comment might give you a workaround: http://petereisentraut.blogspot.com/2011/02/squeeze-postgresql-broken.html?showComment=1297063227571#c8642701229086559246 |
| 01:39.47 | Hydroxide | tharkun: you can put it in a shell script wrapper then |
| 01:39.50 | Hydroxide | I haven't tested |
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| 01:40.32 | tharkun | Hydroxide: testing asap |
| 01:40.34 | Hydroxide | tharkun: some of the other comments in that blog post explain the issue; in short, debian swapped one library out in favor of another due to a real licensing/legality issue that a lot of people are overlooking, and the replacement library is apparently buggy |
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| 01:41.22 | Hydroxide | tharkun: many many problems stem from OpenSSL's GPL incompatibility. |
| 01:41.53 | tharkun | Hydroxide: yes, i've seen them allready more than once |
| 01:41.56 | abrotman | thinks perhaps they could have let the license crap go another release .. didn't stop them for the previous five ? :) |
| 01:42.29 | tharkun | btw if the new library is buggy there should be quite some bugreports to fix it. |
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| 01:42.32 | Hydroxide | abrotman: heh. if you go back five releases, we probably didn't even enable ssl support due to US export reasons :) |
| 01:42.34 | aroman | hey, if I want to change a string that appears in a graphical app, would changing /var/lib/dpkg/info/thatapp.templates do the trick? |
| 01:42.35 | Hydroxide | tharkun: indeed |
| 01:42.47 | abrotman | Hydroxide: okay .. four! |
| 01:42.54 | Hydroxide | tharkun: in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the fix in a debian stable update is purely in that library, not the PG package |
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| 01:43.08 | Hydroxide | abrotman: heh :) well things have to get noticed at some point. also, libedit isn't that old |
| 01:43.08 | tknudsen | Is there any advantage for me to run AMD64 instead of i386 for a desktop with 4GB RAM? |
| 01:43.25 | abrotman | tknudsen: jsut a regular desktop? |
| 01:43.30 | tharkun | Hydroxide: on potato i believe there was a non-us site that had ssl. (don't take my word for it) |
| 01:43.31 | Hydroxide | tharkun: probably not a huge amount unless you plan to add more ram later. |
| 01:43.38 | Hydroxide | tharkun: yes, there was |
| 01:43.49 | Hydroxide | tharkun: but it wasn't compiled in to the main archive's .debs |
| 01:43.50 | tknudsen | abrotman, I development, and my VPS runs i386... |
| 01:43.56 | tknudsen | err, I do |
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| 01:44.43 | Hydroxide | tharkun: having uploaded a package in -ssl and crypto-free versions back when non-US existed, I'm very aware of that :) I'm glad the US loosened that rule and I'm glad we found a way to deal with the looser version. |
| 01:44.46 | abrotman | tknudsen: probably not really .. and if you use binary-only software like skype or flash, it works better on i386 |
| 01:45.18 | Vasistha | karlpinc: thanks for the recommendation. Guess I was hoping some person who hangs out here a lot might have made some observations; anyway, I think I'll probably just upgrade my brother's before I do my own... |
| 01:45.36 | tknudsen | abrotman, I'm installing 6.0 now to see if I like it. thanks |
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| 01:45.49 | u19809 | hi all, I need to reinstall my nvidia proprietary driver but i first need to remove it completely. after remove of all nvidia* packages I still seem to get an nvidia module loaded as the dmesg output shows a tainted kernel because of nvidia module |
| 01:45.49 | Hydroxide | tharkun: funny story: due to debian automating certain parts of the process, we got so diligent at sending the export notifications to the US government that eventually they asked us to stop sending them, since they weren't prepared to handle it. :-) as I understand it we still generate but don't send them. I may have a few details wrong since I'm not personally involved with that side of things |
| 01:45.51 | u19809 | How can I get rid of nvidia completely ? |
| 01:45.53 | abrotman | tknudsen: good luck! |
| 01:46.03 | streuner__ | u19809: good luck |
| 01:46.16 | u19809 | ? |
| 01:46.24 | streuner__ | dpkg, remove nvidia |
| 01:46.24 | dpkg | hmm... remove nvidia is as root type "/usr/bin/nvidia-installer --uninstall" |
| 01:46.51 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 01:47.37 | tharkun | Hydroxide: That speaks a lot about the people doing the job right. It also points that some government rules are most of times useless |
| 01:47.37 | Bushmills | u19809: by inventing a way to increase atomic decay |
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| 01:49.24 | aroman | hey, if I want to change a string that appears in a graphical app, would changing /var/lib/dpkg/info/thatapp.templates do the trick? |
| 01:50.04 | streuner__ | u19809: surely the nvidia entry in wiki.debian.org helps too - /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 01:50.34 | streuner__ | u19809: in order to get rid of nvidia, but i have still doubts about |
| 01:50.38 | tharkun | Hydroxide: it did not work as expected trying the C api to test it. Thanks anyway |
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| 01:50.47 | r\wWorld | if I am get a laptop that has 2 gb of ram included but is expandable to 6, would it be more appropriate to install i386 or AMD64 ? |
| 01:50.55 | Hydroxide | tharkun: good luck. if the actual functionality is broken, that's significantly more serious :) |
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| 01:51.20 | abrotman | bleh .. i still owe kibi a bug :( |
| 01:51.23 | Hydroxide | tharkun: and, yes |
| 01:51.30 | Hydroxide | (re govt rules and doing things right etc) |
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| 01:51.53 | u19809 | I no longer have nvidia kernel messages in dmesg. that is good. However I seem to have enabled modesettings in the kernel somehow and that inhibits X to start |
| 01:52.13 | u19809 | Why did they get active all of a sudden ? Where can I get rid of them ? |
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| 01:53.56 | lucagiove | good night and good fight guys ;) |
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| 02:05.09 | tharkun | Hydroxide: same result as psql when using perl and the DBI module. Next test should be the C API |
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| 02:14.31 | NickyP | How can i make sudo work in a chroot 32bit squeeze? I have it installed but it is asking for a terminal. |
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| 02:15.17 | abrotman | you probably have to bindmount /dev/ |
| 02:15.35 | NickyP | how to? |
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| 02:16.38 | NickyP | connection is bouncing |
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| 02:21.35 | tharkun | Hydroxide: It seems the C API is also rendering the same results as the psql command so it seems i screwed up somewhere else. I still am unable to fix it. It seems it was a false positive on psql |
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| 02:25.12 | sedulous | NickyP: mount -o bind /foo /bar |
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| 02:25.58 | sedulous | Does any Debian repo have a Java bindings for SDL? (I can't find one) |
| 02:26.04 | sedulous | s/ a// |
| 02:26.05 | NickyP | ty my wireless is bouncing need to bind it to something |
| 02:26.33 | abrotman | sedulous: does it even exist ? |
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| 02:26.50 | sedulous | abrotman: yes and it's used by a game that I want to package: http://sdljava.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:27.04 | abrotman | sedulous: sounds like you get to package the library too :) |
| 02:27.37 | sedulous | abrotman: and other things. ls -l $game/lib/ |wc -l â 43 (bundled libraries) |
| 02:27.59 | sedulous | although many of them are duplicates (Windows / Mac) or already packaged in debian |
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| 02:29.30 | nertil | is it possible to use debian server with wifi ? |
| 02:29.41 | abrotman | huh? |
| 02:30.45 | dvs | a wifi server? |
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| 02:30.59 | tharkun | nertil: it is but probably you will need a little more bandwith to make use of the potential of your server |
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| 02:31.54 | anigma | how do I install a local .deb package? |
| 02:32.04 | nertil | i run ubuntu server with wifi |
| 02:32.13 | nertil | so im asking is it posible to run 6.0 with wifi card |
| 02:32.16 | luke-jr | How do I complain about the name of bitcoin-cli (in sid)? |
| 02:32.24 | dondelelcaro | anigma: dpkg -i foo.deb; or put it into a local repository |
| 02:32.39 | dondelelcaro | nertil: I'm talking to you using one right now, so yes. |
| 02:32.39 | luke-jr | since there are no CLI tools (yet), I can only imagine it's bitcoind, which should be called bitcoind⦠:p |
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| 02:33.04 | nertil | thanks |
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| 02:43.29 | nayn | weird - the GNOME top menu words disappear - I can see all icons but not the words - Administration and so on - does anyone knows a solution ? |
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| 02:44.12 | abrotman | santi: you don't ? or your ISP doesn't ? |
| 02:44.37 | santi | my ISP has native support but I tried modprobe ipv6 and it failed, any idea? |
| 02:45.10 | NickyP | sudo mount -o --bind /dev/tty10 /var/chroot/squeeze-ia32/devmount: /dev/tty10 is not a block device |
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| 02:51.53 | anigma | there's no point in using the volatile repos in squeeze right? |
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| 02:52.02 | abrotman | not yet, there will be |
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| 02:52.21 | dvs | its not called volitile anymore, right? |
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| 02:52.54 | NickyP | dropped the -o and it worked |
| 02:53.19 | abrotman | dvs: no, it's not |
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| 02:57.18 | babilen | santi: it's in the kernel |
| 02:57.25 | Makuew | Is there a simple command for bash scripting by replacing a word in a file with another one? and adding one line? |
| 02:57.26 | santi | Puh, Thanks |
| 02:59.21 | babilen | santi: grep IPV6 /boot/config-2.6.32-5-amd64 (if you care) |
| 02:59.48 | santi | Thanks, I was shocked as hell :D |
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| 03:00.12 | babilen | anigma: See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#stable-updates |
| 03:00.32 | babilen | santi: ipv6 support was one of the release goals for squeeze, so no worries :) |
| 03:01.03 | babilen | !ipv6 |
| 03:01.03 | dpkg | Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is the next-generation IP version designed to replace IPv4. Available in Debian since <potato>, full IPv6 support is a release goal for Squeeze. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 http://ipv6.debian.net/ http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ http://www.ipv6.org/ #debian-ipv6 on irc.oftc.net, #ipv6 on irc.freenode.net. To disable IPv6 on your system, ask me about <noipv6>. |
| 03:01.14 | babilen | santi: If you need more information ^^^ |
| 03:01.35 | santi | Very nice :) |
| 03:02.13 | babilen | santi: Ah, that factoid hasn't been changed in the last year. |
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| 03:02.47 | santi | Which factoid? |
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| 03:03.34 | babilen | santi: the one from dpkg |
| 03:04.27 | santi | Ahhh. Sorry it's to late for me :D |
| 03:04.43 | santi | Could you tell me how to create user's home dir after creating the user? |
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| 03:04.46 | santi | Please |
| 03:05.30 | Vasistha | santi: mkdir /home/username ? |
| 03:05.32 | r\wWorld | !noipv6 |
| 03:05.32 | dpkg | To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
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| 03:05.42 | santi | And then own it to him? |
| 03:05.47 | Vasistha | ...yeah... |
| 03:06.04 | babilen | santi: "cp -r /etc/skel/ /home/username" |
| 03:06.23 | Vasistha | santi: you may also need to put it into passwd |
| 03:06.23 | santi | Aaah, thaanks :) |
| 03:06.33 | Vasistha | that is /etc/passwd |
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| 03:09.17 | santi | Hallelujah I can write mails xD |
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| 03:16.01 | Bushmills | santi: next time, use adduser instead of useradd |
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| 03:16.10 | arvind_khadri | stew, :) logged in from squeeze, thanks a million :) |
| 03:16.24 | santi | ok! |
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| 03:18.05 | antivigilante | i just updated in aptitude and it says a whole bunch (186) packages are obsolete or local and that there are none to upgrade but a minute ago it said there were 86 to upgrade |
| 03:18.30 | antivigilante | what gives? |
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| 03:18.50 | Makuew | How can i use sed to replace a word containing slash? |
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| 03:19.37 | Bushmills | you either escape the slash, or use non-slash chars to delimit patterns |
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| 03:20.20 | sedulous | Makuew: 's|foo/bar|bla|' |
| 03:20.41 | Makuew | ok thanks sedulous |
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| 03:21.10 | sacredchao | network-manager an wicd are both installed and they both load when I log in which is annoying |
| 03:21.59 | Bushmills | purge it, as you probably don't need both |
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| 04:14.24 | aroman | hey guys, does anyone have any idea how to customize a text string in ubiquity? |
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| 04:34.08 | Makuew | How can you get sed to replace something in a file with a new text that has a variable from a script? for example sed -i 's|customer|$USER|' filename |
| 04:34.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | Makuew: using " instead of ' doesnt work? |
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| 04:37.37 | aroman | hey guys, does anyone have any idea how to customize a text string in ubiquity? |
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| 04:40.56 | yagoo | aroman, use the keyboard? |
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| 04:42.09 | mirv_ | aroman: ubiquity in firefox? |
| 04:42.24 | aroman | no, the ubiquity installer |
| 04:42.37 | aroman | i need to manually edit a string in the app's gui |
| 04:42.59 | aroman | i figure it's python and i18n, so it has to be possible |
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| 04:45.59 | mirv_ | aroman: might have more luck in a ubuntu channel. i've never heard of it before looking it up on wikipedia just now sorry. |
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| 04:46.35 | aroman | mirv_: yeah. i came here because they dont seem to know how, and I figured the answer would be generic |
| 04:46.51 | aroman | perhaps I'll rephrase: generally speaking, where are the multi-lingual strings for an app stored? |
| 04:46.53 | karlpinc | mmt: Yes. |
| 04:46.53 | karlpinc | mmt: Did you follow the release notes? |
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| 04:46.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | aroman: no, its not in debian |
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| 04:46.57 | mirv_ | good luck with your search |
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| 04:47.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | aroman: they're stored in in #ubuntu |
| 04:47.59 | aroman | Kamping_Kaiser: :O |
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| 04:49.09 | Makuew | <Kamping_Kaiser: Doesent do any difference |
| 04:49.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | Makuew: can you show us the script? |
| 04:49.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | Makuew: fwiw, there is a #sed on freenode too |
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| 04:56.45 | bjk | aroman, /usr/share/locale? |
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| 04:57.34 | aroman | bjk: well, what would that do for me? |
| 04:57.48 | aroman | i'm looking to manually edit a file and change a string |
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| 04:58.11 | bjk | what locale? |
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| 04:59.14 | aroman | en_US |
| 04:59.25 | bjk | aroman, locales are stored in /usr/share/locale (standard i think). the subdirectories contain the locales and files within that subdir are application locales. |
| 04:59.48 | bjk | aroman, what app> |
| 04:59.49 | bjk | ? |
| 04:59.53 | aroman | it happens to be ubiquity |
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| 05:00.36 | aroman | yeah that folder doesn't seem to have much of use |
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| 05:02.28 | bjk | aroman, is ubiquity a meta or virtual package? |
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| 05:03.18 | aroman | just a regular package |
| 05:04.03 | bjk | aroman, you may want to try: grep -r pattern /usr/share/locale. pattern should be the pattern to change |
| 05:04.28 | bjk | aroman, it may not even have a locale installed |
| 05:04.36 | aroman | yeah i'm almost certain it doesn't |
| 05:04.49 | aroman | the one thing I did find is /var/lib/dpkg/info/ubiquity.templates |
| 05:04.51 | bjk | aroman, you should create on then :) |
| 05:05.01 | bjk | one |
| 05:05.09 | aroman | which is about 50,000 lines and has every translation string written |
| 05:05.29 | bjk | aroman, hrm. dont know anything about that |
| 05:06.39 | bjk | aroman, or convince the ubituqity authors to use /usr/share/locale for standards sake |
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| 05:08.08 | bjk | aroman, but i guess the .templates would be the one to edit |
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| 05:16.09 | anigma | does debian make a own user for apache when installing it? |
| 05:16.14 | anigma | like www or something similiar? |
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| 05:23.44 | xavierk | I am fairly new to debian, but not linux (redhat/centos). I have a Promise FastTrak TX2650 Raid card. They offer 3 types of linux drivers: RHEL5, SLES10 and uncompiled for all others... I assume RHEL and SLES won't work, so I downloaded the generic ones. Now my issue is tring to compile it... As the steps really don't match up. is someone able to assist me in more detail? |
| 05:24.52 | xavierk | web01 or dev? |
| 05:24.56 | xavierk | or both |
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| 05:25.15 | xavierk | err |
| 05:28.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | xavierk: do you have specific questions? |
| 05:30.48 | luke-jr | xavierk: Linux doesn't really have "drivers"; everything is built into the kernel (even if loaded dynamically) |
| 05:31.06 | luke-jr | xavierk: if that card doesn't just work with Linux, it was probably a poor purchasing decision |
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| 05:31.10 | luke-jr | maybe try a bleeding-edge kernel |
| 05:31.28 | xavierk | no, the card is old, was a windows based card |
| 05:31.35 | xavierk | rebuilding the system into debian |
| 05:31.58 | xavierk | so the drivers on their site: http://firstweb.promise.com/support/download/download2_eng.asp?productID=191&category=all&os=100 won't work for debian? |
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| 05:33.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | parital open source. heh. |
| 05:33.54 | xavierk | that is the one I downloaded |
| 05:34.08 | xavierk | but the instructions are geared towards suse and rhel |
| 05:34.23 | Coweater | which steps aren't matching up? |
| 05:34.53 | luke-jr | xavierk: put simply, these drivers you link are illegal and infringe on Linux copyrights |
| 05:35.28 | Coweater | luke-jr: no they aren't, quit making stuff up |
| 05:35.31 | luke-jr | Google results say this is a software RAID card |
| 05:35.35 | luke-jr | which makes it worthless |
| 05:36.02 | luke-jr | you'd get better results using regular onboard connectors and the Linux software RAID |
| 05:36.02 | xavierk | it is certainly hardware, I've configured it at the hardware level |
| 05:36.26 | luke-jr | xavierk: you set jumpers to configure it by hand? |
| 05:37.12 | luke-jr | in any case, that's irrelevant. the only thing that matters is whether the card has its own CPU doing the RAID, or if it's the OS doing it on your main CPU |
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| 05:39.05 | xavierk | not sure if I am more confused then when I first joined... |
| 05:39.08 | luke-jr | Coweater: if you have no concern or respect for the Linux copyright licensing terms, that is your problem, but this "driver" IS infringing. |
| 05:40.09 | nevyn | isn't there drivers for these fakeraid cards |
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| 05:41.10 | PinkFreud | luke-jr: 'the Linux copyright licensing terms'. What, exactly, are these drivers 'infringing' on? |
| 05:41.28 | luke-jr | PinkFreud: go ask your IP lawyer if you can't figure it out |
| 05:41.34 | Technicus | I am recieving this message whenever I install something: [ http://paste.debian.net/108148/ ], how do I cure this? |
| 05:41.45 | luke-jr | xavierk: put simply, if this card was a *real* RAID card, it would *just work* |
| 05:41.47 | PinkFreud | luke-jr: I'm asking *you*, as you're the one making the claim. |
| 05:41.58 | PinkFreud | a rather vague, and bizarrely-worded claim at that. |
| 05:42.26 | luke-jr | xavierk: the fact is, it's /not/ really a RAID card, just has illegal "drivers" to do the RAID on your CPU, and you'd be much better off just having Linux's softraid support |
| 05:42.56 | luke-jr | PinkFreud: go read the GPL. |
| 05:43.02 | PinkFreud | xavierk: luke-jr is full of shiitake. |
| 05:43.26 | PinkFreud | luke-jr: So, you cannot point to any particular infringement? |
| 05:43.26 | Coweater | closed source modules are not illegal, you're getting into distribution clauses which have no relevance since it's not distributed with the kernel |
| 05:43.52 | luke-jr | Coweater: it's a derived work, it is distributed, it does not comply with the licensing terms. |
| 05:44.07 | luke-jr | Coweater: if you're still in doubt, hire an IP lawyer. |
| 05:44.09 | PinkFreud | luke-jr: derived from what? |
| 05:44.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | not in compiled form though |
| 05:44.21 | luke-jr | Kamping_Kaiser: the law doesn't care if it's source or compiled. |
| 05:44.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | the gpl does... |
| 05:44.34 | luke-jr | nope |
| 05:45.01 | luke-jr | the only thing the GPL says on that, is that if it's compiled, the compiler used is part of the source code |
| 05:45.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | no it doesn.t |
| 05:45.23 | PinkFreud | luke-jr: for it to be a 'derived work', it has to be derived from *something*. What is this mystical work that it's supposedly derived from? |
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| 05:45.59 | luke-jr | PinkFreud: if it wasn't derived from Linux, it wouldn't compile or work. |
| 05:46.21 | PinkFreud | luke-jr: from what part of linux? |
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| 05:46.42 | xavierk | lol.. my head hurts.... ok... so back to my question... these "uncompiled" drivers... can they work with debian or not... |
| 05:46.46 | luke-jr | gosh, I don't expect this kind of trolling in #Debian; figure it out for yourself. |
| 05:47.11 | luke-jr | xavierk: just throw the card out, it's worthless |
| 05:47.12 | PinkFreud | luke-jr: I would argue that you're trolling, with these vague statements. |
| 05:47.31 | xavierk | thanks, that is helpful |
| 05:47.44 | luke-jr | http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/ols_2006_keynote.html |
| 05:47.46 | Coweater | xavierk: probably |
| 05:47.48 | luke-jr | night |
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| 05:49.09 | PinkFreud | xavierk: in any case - as the drivers are fairly proprietary, I'd email Promise for support. |
| 05:49.41 | PinkFreud | in theory, they should be able to compile against any kernel. In reality - who knows how crappy their driver is? |
| 05:50.06 | Coweater | xavierk: it looks like the latest driver release was 2008 though and made to work with older kernels (2.6.7/2.6.9), might be troublesome there |
| 05:50.13 | PinkFreud | xavierk: also, I see there's a README in that package. I'd start with it. :) |
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| 05:50.32 | PinkFreud | Coweater: actually, the README states 2.6.18. |
| 05:50.38 | xavierk | PinkFreud, that is where I am getting hte instructions.. |
| 05:50.42 | PinkFreud | he might be SOL for anything beyond that, though. :/ |
| 05:50.54 | Coweater | ah, missed that |
| 05:51.01 | xavierk | it requires the kernel source |
| 05:51.06 | PinkFreud | xavierk: that it does. |
| 05:52.23 | PinkFreud | it looks like Promise does what numerous other vendors do - they create a compiled object from proprietary code, and then they create an open source 'wrapper' that interfaces with the kernel. |
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| 05:53.07 | xavierk | now this is where i am a little limited ... apt-get install kernel-headers... right? I did this...but it doesn't appear to be the full source |
| 05:53.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | at least they're honest enough to say thats how it works |
| 05:53.11 | PinkFreud | the precompiled object is the actual driver. the open source code is merely an interface between it and the kernel. in theory, this is so the wrapper can be updated to work with newer kernels while the proprietary driver remains the same. |
| 05:53.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | xavierk: apt-cache search kernel headers. kernel-headers is the name in redhat land |
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| 05:54.54 | PinkFreud | xavierk: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html - in particular, pay attention to 4.7 |
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| 05:55.06 | nevyn | xavierk: it may be supported by dmraid which supports a whole bunch of these fakeraid type cards. |
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| 05:55.35 | guesst123 | hey guys |
| 05:55.57 | PinkFreud | nevyn: I wouldn't hold my breath for it, if the driver is proprietary. |
| 05:56.05 | guesst123 | im using linuxmint debian edition, wanted to ask if you could help me update my chromium-browser to lastest ? |
| 05:56.20 | PinkFreud | not to say that I'm correct in that assumption, but I'd be willing to bet money on it. :) |
| 05:56.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | guesst123: ask the linux mint channel |
| 05:57.18 | guesst123 | Kamping_Kaiser: its debian |
| 05:57.24 | nevyn | PinkFreud: the proprietary driver is probably unnessicary. dm raid replaces it. |
| 05:57.39 | guesst123 | Kamping_Kaiser: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 05:57.39 | guesst123 | 6.0 |
| 05:57.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | guesst123: its linux mint |
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| 05:57.56 | guesst123 | Kamping_Kaiser: dude its using debian sources |
| 05:58.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | its debian derived, its not debian. ask their channel |
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| 05:58.35 | xavierk | dmraid -r /dev/sdb: pdc, "pdc_bcjgjgcib", mirror, ok, 154296864 sectors, data@ 0 /dev/sda: pdc, "pdc_bcjgjgcib", mirror, ok, 154296864 sectors, data@ 0 |
| 05:58.36 | guesst123 | well how woould i do it on debian ? can you tell me that ? |
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| 06:01.53 | Coweater | guesst123: probably do a sid backport |
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| 06:02.16 | PinkFreud | nevyn: heh. then he might be in luck, then. |
| 06:02.49 | dariusss | Is it possible to have Debian preseed create many user accounts at installation time? |
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| 06:03.20 | guesst123 | Coweater: how ? :) |
| 06:03.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | dariusss: guess you could wrap add/create user up in a script. depends what you are after |
| 06:03.59 | Coweater | !tell guesst123 -about ssb |
| 06:04.01 | dariusss | I'm just after having the accounts created in automation rather |
| 06:05.37 | guesst123 | Coweater: uff im confused :) |
| 06:05.47 | dariusss | and how do I get preseed to NOT install a gui environment? I put only "standard" under tasksel/first but it still installs gnome |
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| 06:09.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | dariusss: iirc the standard task is the gnome desktop |
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| 06:18.50 | nevyn | PinkFreud: where do I collect my money ;) |
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| 06:24.19 | shalok | Using 'netstat -tlnp' I can see that something is binding to 0.0.0.0:53 but there is no pid or process name listed... why? |
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| 06:25.23 | TimRiker | shalok, note: process names and arguments can get swapped out, they will not reload into memory when accessed in /proc. |
| 06:26.11 | TimRiker | shalok, so netstat might not see the process name if the server has been under heavy memory load |
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| 06:27.26 | shalok | TimRiker, Why isn't the applicable data swapped back into memory if netstat needs it? |
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| 06:28.16 | shalok | TimRiker, Anyway I can do without the process name/arguments, but why doesn't it at least show the pid? |
| 06:28.57 | TimRiker | hmm. the pid should be shown. you are running as root and don't have any odd selinux rules? |
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| 06:29.48 | TimRiker | shalok, a non-root user won't have access to the details for other user processes. |
| 06:29.56 | shalok | Yeah I using sudo. I don't know what selinux is so I'm pretty sure I haven't configured any wierdness there. |
| 06:30.36 | shalok | ok wierd, I did sudo su, and then did it again and it worked. |
| 06:30.46 | TimRiker | it was port 53 you were looking for, yes? does ps show named running? |
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| 06:31.05 | TimRiker | uses sudo -i to get to root. |
| 06:31.24 | shalok | Apparently the culprit is dnsmasq |
| 06:32.12 | TimRiker | sounds logical. dnsmasq also wants port 53 as it's serving dns. :) |
| 06:32.39 | shalok | Yeah makes sense. |
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| 06:34.12 | TimRiker | hoping off again. good luck. |
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| 06:50.53 | omes- | Hey guys! I'm working on an OCR. If you wanna help, send a paragraph of your handwriting to ocr@lightyear.no! :) |
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| 06:57.11 | omes- | Gm4n: ;) |
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| 07:07.19 | Gnudoll | heya all |
| 07:08.36 | access_d | hi |
| 07:08.44 | allquixotic | Hi, are there any pre-releases of Debian (sid, experimental, etc) with the Gnome 3 packages for testing and development? I see the gnome3 packages uploaded into experimental, but when I looked into making my own Live CD for Debian Gnome3 preview, my live-helper scripts don't seem able to debootstrap to experimental (maybe this is intentional). |
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| 07:10.12 | Gnudoll | well that is all better now. . . |
| 07:10.26 | Gnudoll | made a mistake this morning. . . |
| 07:11.16 | Gnudoll | I had backed up my files to a tarball before wiping the drive for a clean install (that was fine) |
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| 07:11.34 | Gnudoll | thden I did the install itself |
| 07:12.14 | Gnudoll | and afterwards, I grabbed the tarball from the cdomputer I had uploaded it to. . . |
| 07:12.41 | Gnudoll | untarred it and cp'd the files back in place. . . |
| 07:12.49 | Gnudoll | all good so far. . . |
| 07:13.53 | Gnudoll | then to clear up the space used on the hdd, i rm'd the tarball abd the resultant folder that I had cp'd the files into place from. . . |
| 07:14.05 | Gnudoll | except. . . . |
| 07:14.12 | Gnudoll | blushes |
| 07:14.45 | Gnudoll | I really should not have used that leading \. . . |
| 07:15.10 | Gnudoll | Yup, I deleted the wrong folder. . . |
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| 07:15.45 | Gnudoll | ended up wiping out the $HOME while I was logged in. . . |
| 07:15.59 | Gnudoll | yeah, that corrupted a few things. . . |
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| 07:17.37 | Gnudoll | *sigh* then it was time to reinstall but the info I had gotten here just before that turned out to fix the problem I had been having for a while |
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| 07:26.06 | tuv | how can i tell which version of alsa my running kernel uses? not that the currently loaded alsa is not the stock kernel alsa, it is rather a modass-built alsa from alsa-source |
| 07:26.37 | dariusss | ok, I removed "standard" task from my preseed file and all other packages ... it's still install gnome/X. what am I missing? |
| 07:27.39 | cahoot | tuv: cat /proc/asound/version |
| 07:29.06 | tuv | cahoot: i'll try to better explain this. i compiled alsa from debian's alsa-source using module-assistant, and this is what I have running. so /proc/asound/version will show me the version of this alsa. i'm wondering what version is built into my kernel had i not installed the modula-assistant-compiled alsa |
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| 07:34.31 | Gnudoll | access_d: yes, the firmware-nonfree package did the trick. . . |
| 07:35.32 | Gnudoll | my game is showing 25 fps, and glxgears is showing about 140 at full screen |
| 07:35.49 | Gnudoll | 1400x1050 |
| 07:36.13 | Nomadicus | Hello . . . a major video driver malfunction occured due to misunderstanding of configuration details. I am not sure how to recouperate from this problem. I was using propritary Nvidia drivers and they were working just fine, then I installed an application (Qt Creator) and it suggested that I install some opengl driver and I agreed, everything went haywire from there . . . |
| 07:37.40 | allquixotic | Nomadicus: Installing the nvidia drivers again should overwrite mesa, which is probably what you're using now... Or you're halfway between mesa and nvidia if you've got the kernel module from one and the userspace from the other. |
| 07:37.48 | allquixotic | Just need to get to a root terminal and you can fix it |
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| 07:39.02 | Nomadicus | I currently logged in to the malgunctioning gui and I did a ctrl f1 so I am at virtual console. |
| 07:39.43 | Nomadicus | allquixotic: What are the appropriate commands for me to issue? |
| 07:40.24 | allquixotic | Nomadicus: Well I'm not sure how you installed the nvidia driver in the first place, so it's hard to say. |
| 07:40.35 | allquixotic | Nor do I know *which* driver you're using, since there is the current series, the legacy, and the really really legacy. |
| 07:40.38 | Nomadicus | Yeah it had something to do with mesa, what is that? |
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| 07:41.13 | Nomadicus | There were two avaliable for me to choose from and I believe I selected the one with the longer name. |
| 07:41.17 | allquixotic | Mesa is the user-space portion of the open source graphics stack, which is a series of interdependent components in the Linux kernel, X.Org, and a bunch of other stuff. |
| 07:41.31 | treebeen | hey, I'm on a virtual debian server, and they have a network interface "eth0:hostname" how was this setup? /etc/network/interfaces is empty |
| 07:42.41 | allquixotic | You won't get a functional open source graphics stack unless all parts of the Nvidia driver are removed from the system (kernel, Xorg DDX / library plugs, libGL, etc) -- and even then, certain Nvidia cards don't work at all with the open source graphics stack. And if you're running Debian Stable, the situation is even worse since the stack is already quite old. |
| 07:43.42 | Nomadicus | allquixotic: I did a pastebin [ http://paste.debian.net/108148 ] of the disfunctional output before everything went completely out of order. |
| 07:44.10 | allquixotic | So continuing on with the binary driver is possibly better in terms of sheer functionality, though I can never actually recommend a proprietary solution (as this is not the real Debian way of course). |
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| 07:45.32 | Nomadicus | Yeah, I prefer open source as well, that is why I am with Debian . . . but . . . I'll give in for video. |
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| 07:45.42 | allquixotic | http://packages.debian.org/sid/libgl1-nvidia-alternatives |
| 07:45.51 | allquixotic | There is some info on that libgl1-nvidia-alternatives package... that's a new one on me since I use ATI. |
| 07:46.20 | allquixotic | Looks like the purpose of that package is to move the mesa libraries out of the way so the binary drivers can sit safely in /usr/lib.... which is a sensible thing to do if you're installing binary drivers. |
| 07:46.42 | allquixotic | But installing it gave an error so something obviously went very wrong |
| 07:47.03 | Nomadicus | When I try to uninstall it gives error. |
| 07:47.05 | allquixotic | So I'll ask again, what *exact* procedure did you go through to install the Nvidia binary drivers in the first place? I know that Debian straight off of an installation CD doesn't provide such binaries. |
| 07:47.17 | allquixotic | So you did *something* to install them.l |
| 07:48.02 | Nomadicus | Error "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" |
| 07:49.24 | Nomadicus | Mixing video drivers is hazardous :( |
| 07:50.24 | Nomadicus | So I can't just uninstall it . . . I have no idea what to do? What if I reinstall the propritary driver? |
| 07:50.41 | allquixotic | Reinstalling the proprietary driver is a safe bet, but again, without knowing *how* you installed it... hard to say. |
| 07:53.08 | Nomadicus | Do you know the name of the package? |
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| 07:54.07 | roe | How do I find out what package installed a particular lib file? |
| 07:54.14 | allquixotic | roe: apt-file search |
| 07:54.18 | allquixotic | or `man apt-file` |
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| 07:56.05 | allquixotic | Nomadicus: Did you install it by installing a Debian package? Or did you download the binary from www.nvidia.com and run the script? |
| 07:56.15 | MooseMorals | Where do I setup module aliases in squeeze? |
| 07:56.30 | Nomadicus | allquixotic: I used a package from the repository. |
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| 07:59.41 | allquixotic | Nomadicus: I'm not sure if I can give you good, "sound" advice... only hacks how to workaround the problem... so I don't want to risk you breaking it further. |
| 08:00.30 | Nomadicus | allquixotic: I don't have any options left. |
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| 08:00.38 | allquixotic | sure you do |
| 08:00.58 | allquixotic | you can always hack around it with apt-get -f install (or other dirty hacks to simply remove or force install the package), then wget the binary driver script from nvidia.com and run it |
| 08:01.06 | allquixotic | but who knows where that will leave your package manager |
| 08:01.10 | allquixotic | so again I can't really advise that you do that |
| 08:01.21 | Nomadicus | This is the procedure I originally used to install: [ http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#non-freedrivers ]. |
| 08:02.22 | Nomadicus | allquixotic: What about `apt-get -f remove *mese*`? |
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| 08:03.06 | allquixotic | Nomadicus: It may or may not work... be careful with that because there may be packages that depend on mesa libs. In fact, I think mesa's GLU implementation /can/ be used with binary drivers, which would be a good reason to keep it. |
| 08:03.09 | Nomadicus | Still encountered the same error. |
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| 08:04.24 | allquixotic | well, if you just want to get things working, you can bypass the package manager and grab the nvidia binary drivers and run the install that way. the binary driver script from Nvidia kind of snowplows any mesa stuff you have laying around. |
| 08:04.30 | allquixotic | But then the package manager would be /even more/ confused... |
| 08:05.08 | allquixotic | but you don't technically need the package manager to be happy to get an X server started. You just have to fix it eventually to install new software or update packages. |
| 08:05.23 | allquixotic | which Nvidia chipset do you have? |
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| 08:05.49 | allquixotic | and which architecture |
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| 08:06.53 | Nomadicus | allquixotic: Not sure, I keep forgetting, and I also keep forgetting how to querry the hardware to find out. I have it in a tomboy note, but . . . can't access it . . . |
| 08:07.48 | allquixotic | lspci -nnvv |
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| 08:07.57 | allquixotic | you may have to scroll up to find the entry for the video card |
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| 08:10.12 | Nomadicus | I am not able to scroll |
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| 08:10.54 | Nomadicus | My command line knowledge is kind of weak . . . I need to work on that . . . |
| 08:10.56 | allquixotic | lspci -nnvv | grep -i nvidia |
| 08:11.02 | allquixotic | or shift+pgup/pgdn for scrolling |
| 08:11.10 | allquixotic | though certain video modes indeed have limited / broken scrollback |
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| 08:12.15 | Nomadicus | It is a GeForce 7150M |
| 08:12.31 | Nomadicus | nForce 630M |
| 08:13.34 | allquixotic | ok, looks like that GPU is new enough to warrant using the very latest driver series |
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| 08:13.58 | allquixotic | which architecture? 32-bit or 64-bit? |
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| 08:15.00 | Nomadicus | allquixotic: amd64 |
| 08:15.37 | anigma | where is tcl usually installed? |
| 08:15.38 | allquixotic | Nomadicus: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/260.19.36/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-260.19.36.run |
| 08:16.03 | allquixotic | grab that |
| 08:16.29 | allquixotic | you should be able to download it, set it to executable with `chmod +x ` followed by the filename, then run it and follow the instructions. |
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| 08:18.22 | Nomadicus | allquixotic: As much as this is kikn my ass, it is enjoy able and I really apprecate your assistane . . . you're freakn awesome! |
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| 08:19.26 | Nomadicus | I owe you big time, not just for guiding me through this but . . . it is just nice to communicate with someone who understands what I am doing. :) |
| 08:19.53 | cahoot | anigma: you should be able to tell from dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 08:20.14 | allquixotic | Nomadicus: wrangling graphics drivers is something I've had to fight with for 5 or 6 years since I have never been satisfied with a system sans hardware-accelerated OpenGL.. and I've made just about every driver out there to work at some point or another |
| 08:20.27 | allquixotic | ATI fglrx, Nvidia binary, r600g gallium3d open source, intel open source... |
| 08:20.51 | allquixotic | the methods are often very unorthodox, especially when it comes to the binary drivers though -- because quite honestly the binary drivers _are_ unorthodox. |
| 08:20.58 | allquixotic | they really ought not to exist, yet they do. |
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| 08:23.25 | Nomadicus | allquixotic: Are there any manufactures of video cards that can compete with Nvidia or ATI that have completely open drivers? |
| 08:23.48 | allquixotic | Nomadicus: You seem to be under the false assumption that ATI drivers aren't completely open |
| 08:24.11 | Nomadicus | That is correct, I am ignorant. |
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| 08:24.21 | allquixotic | There are some (maybe most) ATI cards that require proprietary firmware, but ATI pays several developers (and gets help from VMware, Intel and Red Hat) to develop their open source drivers. |
| 08:24.48 | allquixotic | the firmware isn't that important: it's uninteresting enough that Linus puts it in the kernel. Same with wifi chips |
| 08:24.56 | allquixotic | the important part is that the software stack is 100% open source |
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| 08:25.41 | allquixotic | right now you can buy a recent ATI card (anything with "Radeon HD####" in the name) and install a very recent distro like Fedora 14 or Ubuntu 11.04 (Debian Squeeze unfortunately is too old for the most recent cards) and get free hardware-accelerated OpenGL. |
| 08:25.41 | Nomadicus | Is there a way to download this driver via a terminal? |
| 08:25.55 | allquixotic | Nomadicus: wget, curl, and tons of other options |
| 08:26.11 | allquixotic | Learning about which console commands exist and what they do is extremely generally useful -- this is one thing that is _not_ unorthodox :) |
| 08:26.32 | allquixotic | example: wget http://example.com/some_file.ext |
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| 08:28.56 | allquixotic | But fetching a file over http from the terminal is one of the most plain-vanilla things you can do from a terminal, short of `cd` and `ls` |
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| 08:31.23 | Nomadicus | Those are about the only commands I don't forget, HAHAHAHA! |
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| 08:31.54 | allquixotic | you only remember this stuff if you use it every day :P |
| 08:32.10 | allquixotic | either become a developer, or intentionally break things and fix them repeatedly like I do -- best ways of learning |
| 08:32.21 | Nomadicus | I keep notes and refer to them when I need to do something. |
| 08:33.00 | Nomadicus | . . . but then the notes get cluttered, or in this case, become unaccessable. |
| 08:33.03 | mirv_ | bash history file is good too |
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| 08:36.55 | Nomadicus | CLI is awesome, I am too dependant on GUI, I should ween myself off. |
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| 08:42.29 | kantor | hello |
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| 08:42.52 | Nomadicus | kantor: :) |
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| 08:47.00 | kantor | In Debian 6.0 I can not select other software sources beside of the "Server for United States". If I choose one from the list and I hit the Choose Server button, the server what I wanted to use is not actually selected. |
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| 08:52.36 | Ecco_ | Hi everyone. Quick "/etc/apt/sources.list" question : is that line correct ? "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main" |
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| 08:52.53 | Ecco_ | Or should it be " deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian squeeze-updates main" |
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| 08:54.26 | ansgar | Ecco_: Both. The first is for security updates, the second for important other updates (which was volatile.debian.org before). |
| 08:54.34 | Ecco_ | Oh |
| 08:54.42 | Ecco_ | I thought this was the same thing |
| 08:54.49 | Ecco_ | Why choosing two similar names ? |
| 08:55.09 | Ecco_ | Plus they say that volatile got "merged" into the security thing |
| 08:55.12 | kantor | has somebody problems with Debian 6 with choosing a server from where the packets are downloaded ? |
| 08:55.26 | Ecco_ | http://lists.debian.org/debian-volatile-announce/2011/msg00000.html |
| 08:55.30 | ansgar | Yes, the naming is a bit confusing, but I guess it's too late to change it now :/ |
| 08:56.31 | Ecco_ | Hmm, weird |
| 08:56.35 | Ecco_ | I don't think I use it anyway |
| 08:56.38 | ansgar | Ecco_: No, it says "squeeze-updates" on the main archive which is not "squeeze/updates" on security.debian.org (which is used for security updates) |
| 08:56.51 | allquixotic | kantor: you can just replace all instances of the server domain name on /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:57.25 | Ecco_ | Oh, sure. But I mean the difference is really tiny and you could believe that one of them is just an alias to the other |
| 08:58.11 | kantor | Yes, I know that I can edit manually the server list. But why is that the GUI software selection program is not working as it should, and I actually can't select a software source from there allquixotic |
| 08:58.20 | ansgar | Yes, I agree. But with people and the installer using it, it's no longer possible to change the name, at least not for Squeeze. |
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| 09:00.26 | kantor | allan8904, |
| 09:00.38 | kantor | sorry allan8904 |
| 09:00.47 | kantor | allquixotic, OK I figured out why. |
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| 09:00.55 | kantor | now it is working |
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| 09:03.41 | allquixotic | kantor: What was the problem? :) |
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| 09:05.13 | Nomadicus | allquixotic: Well . . . it freaking worked! Once again, THANK YOU! If you need someone to do some grunt work for you, look me up, I owe you. |
| 09:05.24 | Nomadicus | Nomadicus.net |
| 09:05.43 | Nomadicus | I also go by the handle: [ Technicus ]. |
| 09:05.48 | allquixotic | Nomadicus: You followed the instructions to install the binary and now you have X11 again? Good to know :) |
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| 09:06.09 | Nomadicus | allquixotic: Exactly as you instructed. |
| 09:07.23 | Nomadicus | Now since that is settled . . . I'm going to get some z. ( Definatly going to be able to rest well now. ) |
| 09:08.05 | Nomadicus | Even though the package manager is hosed, at least I have a functional GUI now. :) |
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| 09:09.50 | allquixotic | yeah, now you just have to fix the broken packages without reinstalling mesa |
| 09:10.05 | kantor | allquixotic, In the software sources window if you select the Main server than no repository can be selected (main, contrib, non-free), the checkboxes will be deactivated. Now If you try to select another server for the software sources with all of those checkboxes disabled, than the chosen server will be not selected |
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| 09:11.08 | kantor | The thing is that you need to have at least one checkbox checked to be able to select another server for the software sources allquixotic |
| 09:11.13 | allquixotic | I see... |
| 09:11.18 | allquixotic | this is good to know. |
| 09:11.30 | allquixotic | I don't normally use the GUI but at least now I can figure it out if I do. :) |
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| 09:12.42 | kantor | Yes it is good to know . . . |
| 09:12.56 | kantor | ok, now I'm leaving |
| 09:13.00 | kantor | bye ! |
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| 09:37.04 | jeremyb | can anyone give me a hand with gpg key verification? |
| 09:37.05 | jeremyb | http://pastie.org/pastes/1581713/text?key=pfzf9omulfumdyzrhrig |
| 09:38.30 | nevyn | yep what's the problem? |
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| 09:40.19 | nevyn | jeremyb: looks fine to me. |
| 09:40.34 | nevyn | the key not being trusted could mean you don't have debian-keyring installed |
| 09:40.56 | arvind_khadri | jeremyb, (Use "gpg --import-ownertrust" to restore them) |
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| 09:48.47 | jeremyb | nevyn: gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature! |
| 09:48.48 | jeremyb | gpg: There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner. |
| 09:49.05 | Bushmills | ,versions ngetty |
| 09:49.06 | judd | Package ngetty on i386 -- lenny: 0.4-1; squeeze: 1.0-1; wheezy: 1.0-1; sid: 1.1-2 |
| 09:50.23 | nevyn | jeremyb: so that's because YOU don't trust that key but the signature is fine. |
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| 09:51.19 | jeremyb | nevyn: and i exported my ownertrust... i think it should work but idk gpg well |
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| 09:56.18 | sedulous | What do you use to edit the changelog of your Debian packages? Is there some kind of script or editor addon that automates it? |
| 09:56.50 | babilen | sedulous: "man dch" |
| 09:56.55 | sedulous | thanks |
| 09:57.03 | sedulous | perfect |
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| 10:02.36 | TealcVPS | Can somebody help me with DNS(domain) on VPS? im using debian 5 minimal and im looking for some userful tutorials or some sugestions. I have heard only about bind9 and maradns. im tired to configure that. im poor at linux |
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| 10:08.09 | simonrvn | !inrelease |
| 10:08.19 | simonrvn | !release |
| 10:08.19 | dpkg | Lenny was released on 2009-02-14. Lenny is Debian 5.0 and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian>, or <etch->lenny> to upgrade from Etch. See http://www.debian.org/releases/ or <release history> for the latest (and historical) releases. |
| 10:08.35 | simonrvn | wah. needs update |
| 10:08.37 | thewanderer1 | hi. I need networked sound with pulseaudio. some Arch Linux howto seems to outline the steps needed to enable network sound server, but... what would the client connect to when I am connected to a server via XDMCP and my local machine doesn't have pulseaudio running? |
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| 10:09.29 | thewanderer1 | (or is there a better protocol than XDMCP for the task, with built-in ALSA/PA forwarding?) |
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| 10:11.02 | emsi | omfg how many people : D |
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| 10:11.49 | simonrvn | #debian: Total of 1049 nicks [2 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 1047 normal] |
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| 10:12.33 | simonrvn | thewanderer1: *pondering* |
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| 10:13.33 | thewanderer1 | there's some option in /etc/default/pulseaudio to run a system daemon instance, but the comments go on to say that this is suboptimal etc. |
| 10:14.00 | simonrvn | network latency, presumably |
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| 10:14.15 | thewanderer1 | well, I'm not concerned about 1ms of latency on my LAN |
| 10:14.36 | thewanderer1 | if I were, I wouldn't be running XDMCP :P |
| 10:14.43 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 10:15.26 | jelly-hme | er, isn't xdmcp just for the log in and session it just normal X11 |
| 10:16.00 | simonrvn | x runs local iirc in xdcmp yeh |
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| 10:19.29 | thewanderer1 | well, I run an X server and connect to it via XDMCP from the X client which is also running an x.org server |
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| 10:21.39 | thewanderer1 | let's see if this "system wide instance" actually produces any sound |
| 10:23.19 | thewanderer1 | umm. I get a dummy output in the volume control panel of PA. I knew it'd be too easy... |
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| 10:26.25 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 10:26.40 | rioch | I've created a deb package for my python app, which works great, except the icon isn't being picked up. It may be that I've misunderstood how you give an application an icon. Anyone know where I can find out? |
| 10:27.25 | rioch | By icon I mean icon that shows up in the programs menu |
| 10:27.40 | simonrvn | did you make a menu file? |
| 10:28.06 | rioch | simonrvn: yes, I made a .dekstop file which has an entry for Icon |
| 10:28.28 | rioch | This entry is just the name of my program, which matches the name of the icon (which is in svg format) |
| 10:28.29 | simonrvn | menu file, not desktop. for the menu package |
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| 10:28.50 | rioch | I'm not sure I understand what a menu file is. |
| 10:29.07 | rioch | I was under the impression a .desktop file gives you the menu item. In fact, I have one, just without an icon. |
| 10:29.13 | simonrvn | !menu |
| 10:29.13 | dpkg | i heard menu is the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your window manager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (i.e. install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers). To add new menu entries, read /etc/menu/README. See also <menu-methods>. |
| 10:30.02 | rioch | oh, I've never heard of that. |
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| 10:31.40 | simonrvn | the .desktop files are also used, but more by the xdg stuff. debian's menu system uses its own files (qualified statement) |
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| 10:32.45 | rioch | Does debian's menu system also work across distros? |
| 10:32.53 | rioch | e.g. Ububtu, mint, etc |
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| 10:34.06 | simonrvn | just takes having menu installed |
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| 10:34.24 | simonrvn | (and packages supporting it) |
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| 10:35.33 | rioch | Now I'm not sure which to use :s |
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| 10:36.02 | Soothsayer | I have a production web server that runs debian. How should I replicate that entire server so that I can run it in vmware or so? |
| 10:36.48 | Soothsayer | is it possible to do that without having to install everything? I just want a blind copy of that server. (except for one directory that has all the backups and is huge...) |
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| 10:38.59 | simonrvn | rioch: use both, they're tiny files |
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| 10:39.13 | simonrvn | rioch: they have similar info, quite often |
| 10:39.25 | rioch | simonrvn: makes sense :) thanks for the tip. |
| 10:39.34 | simonrvn | dd it? rsync ? |
| 10:39.48 | rioch | still, I have a .desktop file and my icon isn't showing. |
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| 10:42.02 | Rovanion | Is it possible to remove all packages starting with kde? Something like aptitude remove kde* |
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| 10:42.40 | cahoot | !remove kde |
| 10:42.41 | dpkg | To remove or purge KDE: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libkdecore5. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
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| 10:43.25 | Rovanion | Thank you once again cahoot |
| 10:43.59 | Rovanion | But is there no kind of joker sign for aptitude? |
| 10:44.36 | simonrvn | you mean globbing perhaps? |
| 10:44.58 | Rovanion | simonrvn: I have no idea what globbering could possibly mean but go ahead |
| 10:45.22 | simonrvn | globbing, regexp. which is what it handles. |
| 10:45.59 | simonrvn | man 7 regex |
| 10:46.23 | thewanderer1 | there's no documentation on pulseaudio over the network at all :/ |
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| 10:48.00 | simonrvn | except the source code perhaps |
| 10:48.29 | thewanderer1 | also modules which I specify as to be loaded are never loaded, great :P |
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| 10:49.33 | fossala | what is the best way to flash my motherboards bios without windows? |
| 10:50.01 | damex | few new bioses can reflash from floppy/hdd/pendrive |
| 10:52.01 | petemc | theres an app called flashrom |
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| 10:52.55 | thewanderer1 | alright now pulseaudio daemon is not working at all |
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| 10:53.43 | cahoot | thewanderer1: mpd? |
| 10:53.50 | babilen | Rovanion: "aptitude search '~i~n^kde'" |
| 10:54.10 | fossala | ok thanks |
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| 10:54.12 | thewanderer1 | cahoot: no, just trying to get network sound... |
| 10:54.20 | Rovanion | babilen: Thank you for sharing! |
| 10:54.30 | babilen | Rovanion: ~i == installes, ~n == in name, ^ == beginning of string, kde == bloat |
| 10:54.34 | thewanderer1 | and I just broke it to a point that pulseaudio which once worked now does not under my user (in console) |
| 10:55.01 | babilen | Rovanion: See the aptitude search term reference for more aptitude-search-fu |
| 10:55.05 | thewanderer1 | module-alsa-card.c breaks saying initialization failed |
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| 10:57.29 | thewanderer1 | alright, it's broken. |
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| 10:58.06 | rapi | hello |
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| 11:00.03 | Soothsayer | how do I create a copy of my debian dedicated server so I can run it on my vmware ? |
| 11:00.22 | Soothsayer | a full OS replica.. i don't want to reinstall everything manually to simulate the server environment |
| 11:00.56 | rapi | vmware tool do that no? |
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| 11:01.27 | Soothsayer | how should I be downloading it ? |
| 11:01.34 | Soothsayer | a tar of the entire / ? |
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| 11:04.38 | thewanderer1 | ok well, Pulseaudio is working again... don't know what I did, besides removing all configs and reinstalling |
| 11:04.47 | xavierk_ | I just built a Debian box and I am turning it into a router. I know this is more of a #Netfilter question, but the channel is asleep. Can anyone here review this, http://pastebin.com/W11nmFF9. It appears almost everything is working.. BUT somethings like SSH isn't connecting any ideas of what I am missing? |
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| 11:08.12 | thewanderer1 | xavierk_: do you mean connections to the firewall or from the firewall? |
| 11:08.43 | xavierk_ | threw it |
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| 11:09.23 | xavierk_ | I can ssh to the firewall box just fine, but I can't ssh threw it |
| 11:09.45 | xavierk_ | I also tried multiple ports |
| 11:09.50 | thewanderer1 | through, as in... your boxes behind the NAT can't SSH out? how about other connections? HTTP? |
| 11:10.40 | xavierk_ | no, the server is the NAT/Firewall/Router... dual nics, one internet bound, one local lan |
| 11:11.00 | thewanderer1 | yeah, but from where are you trying to connect? |
| 11:11.12 | xavierk_ | so my PC behind the server, I can ssh to the server, but I can not ssh to a server on the net |
| 11:11.22 | thewanderer1 | can you connect to HTTP on the net? |
| 11:11.34 | xavierk_ | yes, and IRC.. I am behind the server right now |
| 11:11.54 | thewanderer1 | can you connect from your firewall/server to SSH on the net? |
| 11:12.38 | xavierk_ | omg.... stand by... I just realized what the issue might be |
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| 11:14.32 | xavierk_ | when I removed the router and hooked up the server, I grabbed a new IP.... firewall on the server is blocking me... feel like an idiot |
| 11:14.54 | xavierk_ | err on the remote server |
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| 11:16.37 | xavierk_ | thank you for the help anyways thewanderer1 |
| 11:16.38 | gnarface | hey people has anyone in here ever used a usb adapter to mount an IDE drive in debian? i can't seem to get my optical drive to work |
| 11:16.52 | gnarface | it doesn't appear in /dev (as far as i can tell) |
| 11:17.11 | xavierk_ | usb is /media/usb0 |
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| 11:17.25 | xavierk_ | or it was for me |
| 11:17.29 | thechef | Is it possible in debian squeeze to disallow internal-sftp users to create symlinks? I previously used to patch the package, but this requires me to patch it everytime there is an update. The actual problem is that the directories that users have access to can be looked at by other services than internal-sftp which can't be configured to not follow symlinks. |
| 11:17.46 | gnarface | xavierk_: thanks but i need the /dev node. :-/ |
| 11:18.04 | thewanderer1 | thechef: is that a problem? |
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| 11:19.40 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: check dmesg for any relevant output |
| 11:19.44 | thechef | thewanderer1, patching it everytime myself? The effort is feasible, but it would be a nice-to-have to not patch it everytime. |
| 11:20.08 | thewanderer1 | thechef: sure, but why are symlinks a problem for you in the first place? how is other software who follows symlinks undesirable? |
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| 11:20.18 | thewanderer1 | s/who/which/ |
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| 11:21.16 | gnarface | thewanderer1: oh i did. i sure as hell did. pastebinned it last night nobody had any ideas |
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| 11:21.20 | thechef | thewanderer1, the problem is that internal-sftp users are jailed in their home and should be jailed, but they could create a symlink to '/' and then use the other non-jailed service to spy around. |
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| 11:21.39 | thewanderer1 | thechef: of course they could! so jail the service with them. |
| 11:21.53 | thewanderer1 | thechef: or stop being paranoid about someone seeing your /etc... |
| 11:21.53 | gnarface | omg is it possible i just found the solution after days of messing with this... in an ubuntu forum!? |
| 11:21.55 | ws2k3 | hello guys when i boot up my debian machine it goes nuts there is a proces that takes 99,7 procent of my cpu. when that happens my internet connection is going down. when i kill the proces my internet work again. the proces name is f. how can i find out what this is and remove it? |
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| 11:22.29 | gnarface | the process name is f!? |
| 11:22.37 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: no such process name in Debian, you've screwed something up |
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| 11:22.50 | ws2k3 | i have a screenshot i can show u. |
| 11:22.50 | gnarface | ws2k3: are you sure that the output of ps isn't being cut off by your terminal window? |
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| 11:22.55 | ws2k3 | no |
| 11:22.59 | ws2k3 | because i use top |
| 11:23.09 | gnarface | sounds like bad news |
| 11:23.13 | Bushmills | thechef: "to spy around" - set up permissions properly, rather than trying to prevent access by inhibiting symlinks |
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| 11:23.43 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: where'd you get that binary from? |
| 11:24.01 | gnarface | thechef, Bushmills the recent versions of openssh server should have a fully functional chrooting sftp-only support natively now, don't they?a |
| 11:24.10 | ws2k3 | hwo u mean? |
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| 11:24.29 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: you probably installed something you shouldn't have... |
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| 11:24.58 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: yeah, that's not the point... the problem is that someone thinks exposing / for directory listings is a problem |
| 11:24.59 | ws2k3 | it pretty default with munin ssh ftpd. nothing else |
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| 11:25.18 | lonnie | hi |
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| 11:25.39 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: what does `which f` say, or what is the full path to the process as reported in top or ps? |
| 11:25.41 | thechef | Bushmills, I think that's not worth the effort. I'd rather patch sftp.c again. Just wondering if there was an easy trick that wouldn't require me to think about a permissions concept by instead using jailing concepts |
| 11:26.13 | thewanderer1 | thechef: you can always use grsec or SELinux... jailing is non-existent on vanilla Linux you know |
| 11:26.14 | lonnie | Anyone having problems doing apt-get update right now/ |
| 11:26.29 | lonnie | my mirror is set to ftp.utexas.edu |
| 11:26.31 | thewanderer1 | thechef: (if you're interested, /msg dpkg escape from chroot) |
| 11:26.32 | lonnie | and it isn't working |
| 11:26.49 | ws2k3 | reported in the top of top |
| 11:27.33 | thechef | thewanderer1, I didn't think of that before. Thanks i'll have a look at it. |
| 11:27.38 | dutchfish | hi, i am wondering if i can safely update /usr/share/misc/pci.ids with update-pciids without breaking my system or ABI? any light on this would be very welcome. I have no idee what the drawbacks would be. |
| 11:27.39 | thewanderer1 | thechef: also, Linux Containers work on 2.6.36 - you should see that |
| 11:27.51 | lonnie | Can anyone provided an authoritative link for editing my sources.list file to use more mirrors? |
| 11:28.03 | thewanderer1 | thechef: guys in #lxcontainers are already patching in user namespace support... |
| 11:28.07 | ws2k3 | http://s1123.photobucket.com/albums/l544/Ton_Wittenberg/?action=view¤t=Naamloos.png |
| 11:28.12 | ws2k3 | that is the screenshot |
| 11:28.38 | ws2k3 | as u see it taked 97.0 % of my CPU.. |
| 11:28.56 | lonnie | anyone? |
| 11:28.57 | gnarface | lonnie: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
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| 11:29.02 | lonnie | thanks |
| 11:29.06 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: what does `which f` say? |
| 11:29.25 | ws2k3 | i cant test anymore now |
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| 11:29.28 | ws2k3 | i killed the proces. |
| 11:29.29 | thechef | thewanderer1, Linux Containers - is that any similar to OpenVZ (which I already use)? |
| 11:29.33 | lonnie | Is that for squeeze ? |
| 11:29.36 | lonnie | that's what I'm using |
| 11:29.39 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: you can test it anyway, without the process running |
| 11:29.44 | gnarface | lonnie: that's all of them |
| 11:29.45 | thewanderer1 | thechef: yes |
| 11:29.48 | ws2k3 | aah k sec |
| 11:29.51 | lonnie | cool |
| 11:30.04 | ws2k3 | ./bin/f |
| 11:30.07 | ws2k3 | is the output |
| 11:30.19 | ws2k3 | its a file |
| 11:30.20 | gnarface | lonnie: in fact if its not in that list it should probably not be in your sources file unless you are sure you know what its for |
| 11:30.25 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: with the dot, or without? O.o |
| 11:30.32 | ws2k3 | without |
| 11:30.39 | ws2k3 | in irc i cant begin with a / |
| 11:30.44 | ws2k3 | its /bin/f |
| 11:30.58 | Bushmills | leading space will do |
| 11:31.01 | babilen | ws2k3: You can begin with a space though |
| 11:31.04 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:31.05 | thewanderer1 | ,file /bin/f |
| 11:31.08 | ws2k3 | yeah |
| 11:31.08 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 11:31.10 | ws2k3 | sorry |
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| 11:31.45 | babilen | its the *f*bi ... do you have /bin/b and /bin/i as well? |
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| 11:31.58 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: what does `dpkg --search /bin/f` show you? |
| 11:32.29 | gnarface | ok people: http://pastebin.com/jC9Ea8Dg is the short and paintful story of me plugging in a USB->IDE/SATA/ATAPI adapter and not having any luck finding it in /dev ... has anyone done this before? a hint from a ubuntu forum with people having a very similar problem suggested to modprobe pata_jmicron (which was not loaded but did not help) |
| 11:32.53 | ws2k3 | its says not found |
| 11:33.03 | Bushmills | ws2k3: you can examine more of a running process in /proc/<pid>, such as its environment, command line etc |
| 11:33.29 | babilen | Bushmills: The process is not running unfortunately |
| 11:33.35 | ws2k3 | yeah but i cant do that because my machine is very very slow when that proces runs. |
| 11:33.42 | ws2k3 | i allmost cant login its takes to 2 minits |
| 11:33.43 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: alright, so it looks like a rootkit... see `strings /bin/f` - if they tell you anything specific about the author of the program |
| 11:33.56 | Bushmills | babilen: meant for next time it runs and consumes cpu |
| 11:33.58 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: also, would you mind sending me that? looks interesting |
| 11:34.03 | babilen | Bushmills: yeah |
| 11:34.06 | ws2k3 | ofcrouse not |
| 11:34.09 | ws2k3 | where can i upload |
| 11:34.14 | babilen | ws2k3: Yeah, please paste that to http://paste.debian.net |
| 11:34.29 | ws2k3 | just the source code? |
| 11:34.39 | babilen | the output of "strings /bin/f" |
| 11:34.39 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: you have the source? |
| 11:34.58 | ws2k3 | no |
| 11:35.00 | ws2k3 | i only have the file |
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| 11:35.06 | ws2k3 | strings not found |
| 11:35.14 | babilen | grmml |
| 11:35.17 | mocca | anyone can point me to chroot ssh howto in debian. |
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| 11:35.19 | ws2k3 | ? |
| 11:35.27 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: install binutils package for that |
| 11:35.54 | by73r0bb3r | im here for help with vga settings of the console framebuffer. ive tried grub console with keep payload, after loading udev i get a 1366x768 console, id like to keep a 80x24 console throughout the boot |
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| 11:35.57 | by73r0bb3r | can you help? |
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| 11:36.23 | ws2k3 | the file is allmost 1 mb |
| 11:36.29 | ws2k3 | i cant upload it to paste.debian.net |
| 11:36.41 | babilen | ws2k3: The output of "strings /bin/f" is almost 1 MB? |
| 11:36.46 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: you're supposed to upload the text that is printed by `strings /bin/f` |
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| 11:36.51 | ws2k3 | no the size of the file |
| 11:37.01 | ws2k3 | aah but i get command not found |
| 11:37.05 | ws2k3 | i should install binutils? |
| 11:37.08 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: yes |
| 11:37.15 | ws2k3 | apt-get install binutils? |
| 11:37.17 | babilen | ws2k3: thewanderer1 noted that you have to install it. (binutils) |
| 11:37.21 | thewanderer1 | sure |
| 11:38.08 | stew | ws2k3: what does "file /bin/f" say it is? |
| 11:38.28 | ws2k3 | http://paste.debian.net/108168/ |
| 11:38.34 | stew | ws2k3: note that our advice, pretty much no matter what, from here on, is going to be reinstalling that box from scratch |
| 11:38.34 | ws2k3 | how u mean |
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| 11:38.57 | ws2k3 | stew i know |
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| 11:39.05 | ws2k3 | but i wanne find out what the problem is |
| 11:39.07 | ws2k3 | and why i have it. |
| 11:39.20 | thewanderer1 | stew: after sending someone the exploit... it's an interesting piece of software :P |
| 11:39.37 | thewanderer1 | you probably have it because someone broke into your system |
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| 11:39.47 | ws2k3 | yeah but how. |
| 11:39.54 | thewanderer1 | weak SSH password? |
| 11:39.59 | ws2k3 | i have ssh and ftp installed but the ports are closed |
| 11:40.05 | ws2k3 | but ssh password is 6 chars |
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| 11:40.12 | ws2k3 | no numericals |
| 11:40.16 | gnarface | ws2k3: got roommates? |
| 11:40.17 | ws2k3 | but the port is closed. |
| 11:40.19 | thewanderer1 | if it's a common English word, it's a 5-minute job |
| 11:40.28 | abrotman | five minute? |
| 11:40.29 | thewanderer1 | yeah roommates sometimes turn into rootmates... |
| 11:40.33 | ws2k3 | its the name os a movie |
| 11:40.37 | mocca | anybody can point me the manual or link for debian chroot for ssh |
| 11:40.37 | ws2k3 | haha |
| 11:40.47 | by73r0bb3r | im here for help with vga settings of the console framebuffer. ive tried grub console with keep payload, after loading udev i get a 1366x768 console, id like to keep a 80x24 console throughout the boot |
| 11:40.48 | ws2k3 | there are people that log in into my server |
| 11:40.56 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: yeah so the root password is too weak |
| 11:41.00 | abrotman | ws2k3: at the console? or remotely? |
| 11:41.02 | ws2k3 | we work with 3 guys on a project so when its down thats bad |
| 11:41.04 | ws2k3 | remotely |
| 11:41.10 | abrotman | so how is ssh closed agian ? |
| 11:41.14 | ws2k3 | but they cant have done this |
| 11:41.15 | gnarface | ws2k3: that means the ports are not closed |
| 11:41.21 | ws2k3 | because this times my ssh is closed |
| 11:41.27 | ws2k3 | yeah i reinstalled a couple days ago |
| 11:41.32 | ws2k3 | after that ssh is closed |
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| 11:41.41 | ws2k3 | i didnt have time to open it. |
| 11:41.43 | abrotman | it's completely possible one of the people with a shell did it .. |
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| 11:41.57 | thewanderer1 | yes, as simple as 'su' and typing in a movie title :D |
| 11:41.59 | gnarface | ws2k3: also, if you have a wifi adapter on the same network they tend to be weak even "fully secured" and present a pretty trivial backdoor |
| 11:42.29 | ws2k3 | anyway |
| 11:42.34 | ws2k3 | is it possible to find out |
| 11:42.40 | ws2k3 | who logged in and what happened? |
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| 11:42.46 | DavidGradis | HI ! |
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| 11:42.51 | ws2k3 | then i can prevent this in the future |
| 11:42.53 | thewanderer1 | ws2k3: see /var/log/auth.log |
| 11:43.04 | abrotman | if it hasn't been altered ... |
| 11:43.19 | gnarface | yea most those root kits start by trashing the log directory |
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| 11:44.09 | abrotman | ws2k3: http://www.sporcle.com/games/livfred/6_letter_movies |
| 11:45.06 | ws2k3 | lol |
| 11:46.37 | thewanderer1 | so... pick a better root password :D |
| 11:47.10 | ws2k3 | but how it is possible |
| 11:47.12 | thewanderer1 | also if you're letting people login, a wise move would be setting up an OpenVZ container and setting rsyslogd to log to an external MySQL database on the host |
| 11:47.13 | ws2k3 | if port 22 is closed.. |
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| 11:47.22 | thewanderer1 | how do you know it's "closed"? |
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| 11:47.31 | ws2k3 | port is close din router. |
| 11:47.39 | abrotman | so what ports are open? |
| 11:47.42 | ws2k3 | port is not open in the router. |
| 11:47.54 | thewanderer1 | perhaps someone has cracked the router - these things are often silly |
| 11:47.56 | abrotman | and if someone had a shell, they could have done any number of things to give themselves access back into the system later |
| 11:48.06 | ws2k3 | 80/28961/28962/28963/28964 |
| 11:48.08 | abrotman | time to reinstall! |
| 11:48.18 | thewanderer1 | yes, and check the router :P |
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| 11:49.23 | ws2k33 | back |
| 11:49.40 | ws2k33 | anyway thats ports are open |
| 11:49.43 | ws2k33 | 80/28961/28962/28963/28964 |
| 11:49.45 | abrotman | fastest reinstall ever |
| 11:50.10 | thewanderer1 | ws2k33: so does /var/log/auth.log tell you anything? |
| 11:50.15 | ws2k33 | not rly |
| 11:50.31 | ws2k33 | i dont anyway is logged in that should be logged in. |
| 11:51.16 | ws2k33 | wait.. |
| 11:51.32 | ws2k33 | http://paste.debian.net/108169/ |
| 11:51.36 | gnarface | it helps to check when as well as who |
| 11:51.54 | gnarface | if someone's account was in use while they were asleep or something that's a big hint |
| 11:52.04 | ws2k33 | this is not a ip adres from us: 210.83.80.42 |
| 11:52.48 | babilen | ws2k33: those attacks are pretty common. One more reason for a strong root password. |
| 11:53.00 | ws2k33 | LOL |
| 11:53.02 | ws2k33 | check this |
| 11:53.13 | gnarface | ws2k33: china, ningbo city,zhejiang province |
| 11:53.16 | gnarface | know anyone there? |
| 11:53.28 | ws2k33 | http://paste.debian.net/108170/ |
| 11:53.34 | Bushmills | "(12:40:17) ws2k3: but the port is closed." - doesn't appear to be |
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| 11:53.47 | ws2k33 | it was open |
| 11:53.53 | ws2k33 | but i reset my router couple of days ago |
| 11:54.01 | RemmyToo | Silly question... should I reboot after an upgrade of lenny to squeeze ? |
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| 11:54.18 | abrotman | RemmyToo: did you follow the release notes and reboot after the kernel upgrade? |
| 11:54.45 | RemmyToo | abrotman, uhm... no... I didn't see that in there? |
| 11:54.47 | ws2k33 | guys check this |
| 11:54.49 | ws2k33 | http://paste.debian.net/108170/ |
| 11:54.50 | by73r0bb3r | hi im trying to get a 80x24 column console in debian, it switches to 1366x768 at boot while loading udev, help? |
| 11:55.16 | abrotman | RemmyToo: reboot, then come back and tell us 'uname -r' |
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| 11:55.30 | Bushmills | ws2k33: (12:52:48) babilen: ws2k33: those attacks are pretty common. |
| 11:55.41 | RemmyToo | It's a remote server... but fingers crossed :) |
| 11:55.50 | ws2k33 | lol |
| 11:56.00 | ws2k33 | so can i just remove the F file? |
| 11:56.06 | Bushmills | reinstall |
| 11:56.29 | jelly-hme | ws2k33: that file is just a symptom. There's no telling what _else_ is changed |
| 11:56.38 | ws2k33 | lol |
| 11:56.41 | thewanderer1 | ws2k33: does this `grep "Accepted password for root from 210.83.80.42" /var/log/auth.log` return anything? |
| 11:56.48 | thewanderer1 | this might shed a light on the matter |
| 11:57.18 | ws2k33 | nope nothing |
| 11:57.28 | thewanderer1 | and without the IP? |
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| 11:57.50 | babilen | enabled remote root logins in sshd? |
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| 11:58.02 | thewanderer1 | babilen: it's the default, isn't it? |
| 11:58.32 | gnarface | not anymore |
| 11:58.44 | Bushmills | ws2k33: allowing root login from remote: not smart. allowing root login from remote with password: stupid. allowing root login from remote with weak password: criminal.. |
| 11:58.45 | abrotman | RemmyToo: seriusly? |
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| 11:58.54 | abrotman | RemmyToo: they make release notes for a reason |
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| 11:59.28 | RemmyToo | abrotman, I know... Like I said, I didn't see it in there |
| 11:59.42 | abrotman | RemmyToo: and you didn't see any complaints from udev? |
| 11:59.54 | RemmyToo | http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html 4.4.5 says nothing about it |
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| 12:00.20 | abrotman | RemmyToo: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrading-udev |
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| 12:00.56 | RemmyToo | Unless "upgrading the kernel" means a reboot, I dont see it. |
| 12:01.07 | RemmyToo | Oh wait |
| 12:01.07 | abrotman | "Once you have upgraded both the kernel and udev the system should be rebooted." |
| 12:01.08 | RemmyToo | nvm |
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| 12:01.33 | RemmyToo | I thought I'd be best sober when upgrading, but looks like I should have been drinking, haha |
| 12:01.34 | RemmyToo | My bad |
| 12:01.45 | omid8bimo | hey anybody knows a guide in how to colorize my urxvt prompt? |
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| 12:02.27 | Bushmills | RemmyToo: repartitioning is best done in those phases |
| 12:02.39 | RemmyToo | Server is back up, thanks abrotman |
| 12:02.55 | RemmyToo | Bushmills, maybe I'll save that for the other server, haha |
| 12:02.57 | abrotman | RemmyToo: and uname -r ? |
| 12:03.03 | gnarface | omid8bimo: check your ~/.bashrc for the line "# enable color support of ls and also add handy aliases" - you should be able to figure out what to uncomment after that |
| 12:03.10 | RemmyToo | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 12:03.14 | abrotman | good |
| 12:03.22 | abrotman | RemmyToo: make sure the dist-upgrade is finished |
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| 12:03.50 | RemmyToo | abrotman, it was a bit moody, but it finished. |
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| 12:05.18 | CuteAlien | My upgrade seemed to work, but I'm scared I might have messed up something. I only checked hd-space before upgrade, not before dist-upgrade. And well... it run out of space. I noticed when it started complaining package by package. So stopped (ctrl+c), cleaned up space. Re-started dist-upgrade (which wanted a "install -f" now, so I did that first). And ... it seems to have worked. But just curious - could it just seems so or is the |
| 12:05.18 | CuteAlien | re some protection to ensure all packages which run into full HD are now updated correct? |
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| 12:05.42 | thewanderer1 | how would I change a forgotten krb5 password? I happen to have forgotten the root principal's... |
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| 12:06.56 | omid8bimo | gnarface: i use urxvt not bash. and ls is colorized already |
| 12:07.10 | jelly-hme | heh |
| 12:07.15 | gnarface | blinks twice |
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| 12:07.38 | jelly-hme | gnarface: have fun. |
| 12:07.54 | abrotman | CuteAlien: run the dist-upgrade again |
| 12:08.04 | stew | omid8bimo: you are probably using bash as your shell inside urxvt. "echo $SHELL" would confirm this |
| 12:08.06 | gnarface | omid8bimo: do me a favor and type this: echo $SHELL |
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| 12:08.20 | omid8bimo | stew: oh sorry! i use zsh |
| 12:08.28 | CuteAlien | abrotman, yes, did that and it looks fine. Just wondering if package which run into full-HD first time could now be in an undefined state or if that is safe. |
| 12:08.30 | omid8bimo | gnarface: my bed |
| 12:08.38 | omid8bimo | *bad |
| 12:08.58 | ansgar | thewanderer1: kadmin.local on the KDC. |
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| 12:09.23 | gnarface | omid8bimo: i don't know zsh but i'm guessing you still should be looking at your shell's configuration, not the terminal emulator |
| 12:09.55 | stew | omid8bimo: and how do you want your prompt colored? |
| 12:10.18 | jelly-hme | prettily |
| 12:10.26 | omid8bimo | gnarface: that's what i'm confused about. i dont know if i should change something in zsh or add something to xdefaults to add color to my urxvt prompt |
| 12:10.35 | thewanderer1 | ansgar: ok, found it... was change_password in kadmin.local :) |
| 12:10.43 | stew | omid8bimo: you should change the PROMPT in .zshrc |
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| 12:11.02 | stew | omid8bimo: to include something like "$fg[red]" or some such |
| 12:11.03 | omid8bimo | stew: like add color red to "[bimo@/home/bimo]" |
| 12:11.07 | gnarface | omid8bimo: unless what you really want is to change the terminal background color, not the prompt, in which case you should read the urxvt manpage (i do this, for example: urxvt -tr -fg grey80 -tint blue -sh 90 -tn xterm) |
| 12:11.10 | jelly-hme | omid8bimo: you're going to have to change PS1 variable in zsh and learn about its %{ %} syntax |
| 12:12.10 | jelly-hme | omid8bimo: in addition, there are silly, but predefined, prompt themes for zsh on the internets |
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| 12:12.35 | omid8bimo | stew: yeah i think i should change PRIMPT in zsh rc |
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| 12:12.54 | jmd | It's great that lenny is released! |
| 12:13.11 | jmd | s/lenny/squeeze/ |
| 12:13.11 | stew | omid8bimo: PROMPT=$fg[red][%n@%m:%~%b]$fg[default] |
| 12:13.14 | stew | omid8bimo: or something |
| 12:14.06 | jmd | it's a shame that openoffice doesn't start :( |
| 12:14.07 | gnarface | has anyone ever used a usb adapter to mount an IDE/ATA/SATA/ATAPI drive ? |
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| 12:14.20 | stew | gnarface: lots of people |
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| 12:14.56 | jelly-hme | omid8bimo: man zshall, search for SIMPLE PROMPT ESCAPES |
| 12:15.47 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: first you need chipset support for that... and they tend to be exotic |
| 12:15.51 | gnarface | stew: is there a way to probe for dev nodes representing drives attached via usb this way? i can't seem to mount /dev/bus/usb/002/015 even though i'm sure that's one of them |
| 12:16.02 | jelly-hme | gnarface: it's probably the most common way of connecting an external disk. |
| 12:16.18 | omid8bimo | jelly-hme: stew |
| 12:16.24 | omid8bimo | jelly-hme: stew: on it :) |
| 12:16.31 | jelly-hme | omid8bimo: no thanks, I already ate |
| 12:16.36 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: you need a block device normally... can't mount usb char device |
| 12:16.49 | omid8bimo | :D |
| 12:16.58 | gnarface | thewanderer1: yea someone in an ubuntu forum got theirs working (a similar model to mine) by modpribing pata_jmicron but that doesn't seem to have changed anything. dmesg kinda looks right but i can't seem to find the block device |
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| 12:17.26 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: so what does dmesg look like? also, have you compared kernel versions? |
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| 12:18.02 | jelly-hme | gnarface: look for the usbid and figure out whether there's an appropriate driver in your working kernel at all |
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| 12:18.11 | gnarface | thewanderer1: pastebin incoming |
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| 12:18.25 | gnarface | jelly-hme: [803798.864034] usb 2-3: New USB device found, idVendor=152d, idProduct=2338 you mean? |
| 12:18.41 | jelly-hme | gnarface: yes. also lsusb |
| 12:18.54 | jelly-hme | judd: usbid 152d:2338 |
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| 12:19.11 | jelly-hme | judd: you have failed me for the last time! |
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| 12:19.35 | gnarface | thewanderer1, jelly-hme http://pastebin.com/5kvFTS4Q does this tell either of you anything it's not telling me? |
| 12:19.45 | thewanderer1 | so what's judd doing? :P |
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| 12:19.54 | gnarface | lsusb! |
| 12:19.58 | gnarface | i forgot that one |
| 12:20.00 | babilen | ,info judd |
| 12:20.02 | judd | No record of package 'judd' in squeeze/i386. |
| 12:20.31 | jelly-hme | an empty "grep -i '152d.*2338' /lib/modules/2.6.37-trunk-686/modules*" doesn't look promising |
| 12:20.38 | gnarface | jelly-hme, thewanderer1: http://pastebin.com/5gM3iNKJ here's lsusb |
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| 12:20.40 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: looks like it's resetting the device over and over... do you have some HAL or gphoto crap installed? |
| 12:21.05 | thewanderer1 | ,usbid 152d:2338 |
| 12:21.06 | abrotman | or maybe it's just flaky? |
| 12:21.18 | jmd | Why is it that when upgrading to a new release (say lenny -> squeeze) the "apt-get dist-upgrade" has to be done iteratively? |
| 12:21.21 | gnarface | thewanderer1: it only does it 4 times... no hal or gphoto anything i know of. |
| 12:21.49 | gnarface | thewanderer1: i don't use gnome or kde. what should i look for that might sabotage it? |
| 12:22.15 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: HAL is the only thing known by me to cause this... then it must be the driver support |
| 12:22.22 | jelly-hme | jmd: the supported procedure is always listed and explained in the release notes, together with known caveats |
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| 12:22.57 | babilen | jmd: You need to upgrade udev and the kernel before the rest of the system. And yes, read the release notes and follow along. (script!) |
| 12:23.16 | gnarface | thewanderer1: dpkg -l |grep hal shows hal and libhal-storage1 marked "rc" but libhal-dev and libhal1 marked "ii" |
| 12:23.24 | gnarface | thewanderer1: should i purge them all? |
| 12:23.28 | jmd | jelly-hme, Yes I did read that. and followed it as close to the letter as I could. |
| 12:23.46 | jmd | But in the last 10 years of using debian I |
| 12:24.09 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: no, only gphoto with HAL causes that, so if no gphoto stuff then you're safe |
| 12:24.15 | jelly-hme | jmd: never had as complex a dist-upgrade as lenny->squeeze? |
| 12:24.39 | jmd | have always found that I have to "apt-get upgrade" mulitple times before apt finally is satisfied that everything is upto date. |
| 12:24.41 | gnarface | abrotman: its possible its flaky but i've tried a few dozen times. all the lights seem to come on right... the read light on the front of the drive even turns green when i put in a readable disk, but it's an optical cd-rw ide burner, i know that might be a stretch for this type of adapter |
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| 12:24.55 | jelly-hme | jmd: I think you mean dist-upgrade. |
| 12:25.06 | jmd | Well both actually. |
| 12:25.16 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: did you disconnect the device and load the module before connecting it? |
| 12:25.32 | jmd | The number of packages to be installed goes down exponentially with each invokation. |
| 12:25.36 | gnarface | thewanderer1: dpkg -l |grep gphoto shows libgphoto2-2, libgphoto2-2-dev and libgphoto2-port0 installed... is that what you're talking about? |
| 12:25.49 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: yes, these often cause problems with USB storage |
| 12:25.50 | jelly-hme | jmd: it's expected with "upgrade" because it tries hard to no introduce new package. |
| 12:26.00 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: I always get rid of them whenever I can |
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| 12:26.11 | gnarface | thewanderer1: i'd tried it with and without the module. i don't think there was even a change in the output of dmesg |
| 12:26.27 | thewanderer1 | don't know how exactly but they interfere with Linux handling the device |
| 12:26.32 | gnarface | thewanderer1: the module i tried (which didn't autoload) was pata_jmicron but i couldn't find any kernel docs with it |
| 12:26.41 | gnarface | hmmmm |
| 12:26.45 | gnarface | what needs them? |
| 12:26.58 | thewanderer1 | dunno, probably some photo apps :P |
| 12:27.07 | gnarface | like gimp? |
| 12:27.12 | gnarface | or iceweasel? |
| 12:27.30 | gnarface | or ffmpeg? |
| 12:27.37 | thewanderer1 | libsane, shotwell, gphoto*, digikam, f-spot |
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| 12:28.23 | gnarface | ok i should know this, but how do i check what packages depend on it? |
| 12:28.32 | thewanderer1 | apt-cache rdepends $package |
| 12:28.38 | gnarface | thanks |
| 12:29.32 | thewanderer1 | it only turned out to be a problem for me with some USB pendrives and the error messages were slightly different, but still I tend to attribute most USB storage problems to hal+gphoto |
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| 12:29.33 | stew | thewanderer1: wait, ou are saying that having hal installed makes block devices unusable? |
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| 12:29.49 | thewanderer1 | stew: yes, seen that with 2 pendrives and 1 mp3 player here |
| 12:29.54 | stew | crazy |
| 12:29.59 | thewanderer1 | not just hal but hal with gphoto fdi's |
| 12:30.02 | stew | i use hal for all my usb automounting |
| 12:30.18 | jelly-hme | jmd: I'd expect that more than 1-2 runs would be needed only if it broke during the process. |
| 12:30.21 | thewanderer1 | a quite recent bug I think |
| 12:30.29 | gnarface | oh i had another question |
| 12:30.36 | gnarface | could it have to do with the jumper? |
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| 12:30.56 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: of course it could... jumpers cause static discharges if you wear them and are made of polyester |
| 12:31.37 | gnarface | its an ide drive... i realized it was still set to slave (with the power off of course :-p) and i switched to master but now i'm wondering if maybe i should try cable select (or the 4th setting "DMA" which is weird cause the manual doesn't mention it) |
| 12:31.55 | jmd | I well apt-get install openoffice is running now for the 2nd time. |
| 12:31.59 | thewanderer1 | try all of them, why not |
| 12:32.06 | gnarface | *sigh* |
| 12:32.21 | jmd | It's installing about 50 packages, so I expect I'll have to do it at least one more time... |
| 12:32.32 | lonnie | What's the deal with updates right now? |
| 12:32.55 | lonnie | sudo apt-get update fails for me right now in squeeze |
| 12:33.04 | stew | lonnie: show us the errors |
| 12:33.08 | jelly-hme | jmd: that's not an upgrade command. Can you pastebin the output of the first run? |
| 12:33.08 | lonnie | anyone else having this issure |
| 12:33.17 | gnarface | lonnie: nothing. you're probably just using a jacked up sources.list or a jacked up source in it. did you make sure your mirror of choice was in good standing on that status link i gave you? |
| 12:33.54 | lonnie | I think so |
| 12:33.58 | jmd | jelly-hme, No. I rebooted since. |
| 12:34.32 | lonnie | You see before was connecting http://ftp.utexas.edu/debian |
| 12:34.49 | jelly-hme | jmd: ok. It's much easier for us to figure out what's happening if you can show actual output. |
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| 12:34.54 | lonnie | So, I edited my source list, trying to make use ftp-master.debian.org |
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| 12:35.29 | stew | lonnie: ftp-master.d.o doesn't have a publicly available mirror, you can use ftp.us.debian.orghowever |
| 12:35.31 | themill | lonnie: that's not a publicly available mirror |
| 12:35.53 | jmd | True it's not technically an upgrade command. But it's a necessary part of doing the upgrade. I had openoffice installed before; did apt-get dist-upgrade and it stopped working. Hopefully it'll work again after this. |
| 12:35.56 | lonnie | I'm just looking for very reliable mirror or two |
| 12:36.01 | stew | http://ftp.utexas.edu/debian/dists/squeeze/main/binary-i386/ does appear to be out of date |
| 12:36.04 | lonnie | utexas isn't one |
| 12:36.11 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/387161 -- udisks is the new HAL, just as buggy :( |
| 12:36.24 | stew | lonnie: i'd recommend http:/ftp.us.debian.org/debian or http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian |
| 12:36.28 | lonnie | So, any comments on reliable mirrors is welcome |
| 12:36.33 | gnarface | thewanderer1: damnit that's installed too :( |
| 12:36.37 | jelly-hme | lies, udisks is the bees knees! |
| 12:36.41 | lonnie | cool |
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| 12:36.59 | lonnie | Thanks Stew, gnarface, and themill ! |
| 12:36.59 | thewanderer1 | jelly-hme: it ships with udev configs which break things - HAL used to do the same :P |
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| 12:37.03 | themill | lonnie: or "/msg dpkg make squeeze sources.list" |
| 12:37.03 | abrotman | there is a samhouston mirror i think ? |
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| 12:37.23 | jelly-hme | bees knees I say |
| 12:37.24 | gnarface | lonnie: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html just look at this page. it tells you at the bottom what the status messages in the right column mean. you can tell for yourself which are reliable |
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| 12:37.42 | abrotman | or maybe that was someone that used to come here :) |
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| 12:37.56 | krish_debian | *ping* |
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| 12:38.09 | lonnie | gnarface, I read that link you sent closer. |
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| 12:38.54 | gnarface | ok has anyone here who has ever used a usb adapter for a normally internal ide drive (like a hdd, cdrom/cdrw, anything) got any advice on which jumper setting to use? |
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| 12:39.53 | jelly-hme | gnarface: single or master, then cable-select if former doesn't work |
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| 12:40.19 | jelly-hme | gnarface: but if there's no driver for your pata-usb bridge you're not going to have much luck |
| 12:40.48 | thewanderer1 | jelly-hme: there is a driver, but it's possible that udisks breaks it... let's wait till he tries master and CS jumper settings |
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| 12:41.15 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: I don't see any driver matching that usbid |
| 12:42.03 | CuteAlien | How do I get debuild to take custom parameter (-pg) instead of vendor values? I tried stuff like: debuild --set-envvar CXXFLAGS="-pg -O2" -us -uc ... but it always vendor settings (-g) instead. |
| 12:42.14 | lonnie | one default source in mine, that I didn't choose was security.debian.org squeez/updates main |
| 12:42.22 | lonnie | it it ok to remove that? |
| 12:42.29 | abrotman | nno |
| 12:42.31 | jelly-hme | thewanderer1: but I'm looking for it incorrectly, it seems |
| 12:42.52 | gnarface | jelly-hme: you found the driver? |
| 12:42.54 | abrotman | lonnie: you sohuld have at least two sources .. your standard source, and your security source |
| 12:43.26 | jelly-hme | gnarface: no, I found out that I can't find the driver for my working usb device |
| 12:44.00 | jelly-hme | dpkg, tell lonnie about squeeze sources.list |
| 12:44.03 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: tried the jumpers already? |
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| 12:44.40 | gnarface | jelly-hme: might they have been merged into some other system? i am not clear on how to check |
| 12:45.24 | gnarface | thewanderer1: well neither master nor slave work. i'm working on moving it to csel but its a tight fit in there and its hard to see, it will take me a minute (and some pliers) - any idea what that 4th DMA option might be for? |
| 12:45.44 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: no... sounds strange |
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| 12:45.57 | thewanderer1 | it's not an IDE option as far as I can say |
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| 12:46.42 | gnarface | its probably something specific to plextor IDE cd-rw drives, but as far as i can tell nobody on the internet has ever tried this before with a cd-rw. precious few have even tried it with an optical drive |
| 12:47.20 | gnarface | the manufacturer (who i contacted directly) claimed it had native linux support at least at one point though, and that it should work with "any" ide/sata/atapi drive |
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| 12:48.01 | gnarface | in fact they only include win98 drivers because they claim all more recent operating systems support this natively as a function of usb.... |
| 12:48.05 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: try blacklisting this as described on the launchpad... |
| 12:48.31 | jelly-home | gnarface: you're connecting an optical device? |
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| 12:50.24 | thewanderer1 | hey we're not using devicekit actually... |
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| 12:52.47 | jelly-home | it might be less expensive to buy a sata burner than waste more time on the old Plextor |
| 12:52.51 | lonnie | unable to connect to http://ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 12:54.11 | lonnie | I wonder if my problems have to do with the iptables stuff I did. |
| 12:54.25 | lonnie | maybe I'm blocking outbound chain or something... |
| 12:55.10 | thewanderer1 | alright guys, I have a system which used to be testing/sid + dmm sid, but I haven't been upgrading it for a few months |
| 12:55.24 | gnarface | jelly-home: noted. :-/ |
| 12:55.25 | thewanderer1 | now I think it'd be good to 'upgrade' this to squeeze |
| 12:55.36 | gnarface | thewanderer1: blacklisting it as described on which launchpad? |
| 12:55.41 | gnarface | how would i do that? |
| 12:56.01 | jelly-home | gnarface: or a proper pci/pciexpress pata controller |
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| 12:56.20 | jelly-home | gnarface: say, make sure it's NOT jmicron ;-) |
| 12:56.25 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: that's a bit unclear to me too, since there's no longer devkit - renamed to udisks... but try moving /lib/udev/rules.d/*udisks* file somewhere and see if it persists |
| 12:56.42 | thewanderer1 | so that you know whether it's udisks, at least |
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| 12:57.36 | thewanderer1 | might need to reload udev in the meantime |
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| 12:58.44 | fas3r | hello |
| 12:58.55 | thewanderer1 | AED4B06F473041FA... it's a key for security.debian.org - where do I find this? |
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| 12:59.25 | gnarface | can i trust that /var/log/syslog will have any info that dmesg has? |
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| 12:59.41 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: that, or just /var/log/dmesg* |
| 13:00.18 | thewanderer1 | answers himself - it was debian-archive-keyring...strange name |
| 13:00.37 | abrotman | why is that strange? .. it's the keyring for the debian archive ? |
| 13:00.49 | lonnie | I'm trying to figure out, short of type it over with, how I can show you may source.list file. You see the machine I'm editing it (using nano) with, is non-gui. |
| 13:00.51 | thewanderer1 | yes, but archive brings archive.debian.org to mind, not security.debian.org |
| 13:01.31 | abrotman | thewanderer1: and what would you call the normal stuff? |
| 13:01.41 | jelly-home | the whole archive, all the debian repos. ALL OF THEM |
| 13:01.41 | abrotman | not very many poeple know about archive.d.o |
| 13:01.43 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: err... debian-keyring ? |
| 13:01.50 | abrotman | thewanderer1: that is another package |
| 13:01.50 | lonnie | I'm typing to use guys on my ubuntu laptop, and I've just installed debian squeeze the other day on this other machine that I'm making a web server out of. |
| 13:01.58 | gnarface | thewanderer1: yea but unlike syslog and dmesg, /var/log/dmesg seems to stop updating shortly after boot finishes |
| 13:01.59 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: already used for maintainerses |
| 13:01.59 | fas3r | can i know which version of debian is install with a command ? |
| 13:02.07 | abrotman | fas3r: lsb_release -a |
| 13:02.08 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: yeah, I know... was thinking it would contain the security key |
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| 13:02.22 | lonnie | I'm not exactly a command line master yet |
| 13:02.23 | gnarface | ok it is NOT cselect... with the cselect jumper plugged in it makes funny noises and NOthing gets logged |
| 13:02.23 | abrotman | thewanderer1: guess you sohuld have read the description |
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| 13:02.49 | jmd | fas3r, cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 13:03.23 | lonnie | 6.0 for me |
| 13:03.25 | Uhu | Hello, I have a question related to IP-tables. I use knockd who adds this rule: iptables -A INPUT -s %IP% -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT | What iptables rule i need to write now to block port 22 but still get access with knocking? iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --destination-port 22 -j DROP? |
| 13:03.40 | thewanderer1 | ok... apparently knowing about too much obstructs the simple views :P thanks for clearing up what "debian archive" meant in this context |
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| 13:05.02 | jmd | Uhu, try #linux |
| 13:05.11 | abrotman | #netfilter would be better |
| 13:05.22 | abrotman | and it's ##linux anyway! |
| 13:05.40 | thewanderer1 | lonnie: you can always cat the whole file and paste it using the normal GUI tools if you're connected remotely |
| 13:05.56 | thewanderer1 | lonnie: or you could upload it to some server if you have any |
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| 13:07.16 | lonnie | I haven't install ssh yet onto this computer |
| 13:07.32 | lonnie | it has an internal static ip right now. |
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| 13:08.03 | lonnie | I tried to install ssh earlier, but backed out cause it said it couldn't authentica the packages |
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| 13:09.17 | lonnie | If I had ssh already setup, I could just sftp the file over to this laptop, then pastebin it |
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| 13:11.45 | thewanderer1 | install debian-archive-keyring and run apt-get update, it will authenticate packages |
| 13:11.53 | thewanderer1 | oh, your repos are broken... |
| 13:12.34 | thewanderer1 | just make a backup, use working repos and install ssh |
| 13:12.56 | lonnie | I tried that earlier, but apparently version 6 comes with the keyring |
| 13:13.08 | lonnie | it said it already had the last version |
| 13:13.13 | thewanderer1 | so you're using a suspicious mirror |
| 13:13.35 | lonnie | I don't know, it was select during install |
| 13:13.44 | lonnie | utexas.edu |
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| 13:14.11 | thewanderer1 | lonnie: try just http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
| 13:14.13 | lonnie | Did a bomb go off? |
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| 13:14.33 | lonnie | do you have to put /debian ? |
| 13:14.39 | lonnie | cause I haven't been |
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| 13:14.56 | thewanderer1 | I think so, always needed that with .pl mirror at least |
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| 13:15.18 | lonnie | ok, I'll try it |
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| 13:19.31 | jmd | Now all my openoffice menus are doubled up. Is that to be expected? |
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| 13:20.50 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:20.52 | gnarface | ? |
| 13:21.05 | gnarface | do i just change SYSFS to ATTRS? |
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| 13:21.20 | thewanderer1 | err no |
| 13:21.21 | gnarface | fuuuuuuuuuuk |
| 13:21.26 | gnarface | ok guess what was wrong |
| 13:21.26 | thewanderer1 | ,file /etc/udev/rules.d/025_lomoco.rules |
| 13:21.27 | jmd | Hmm. Has anyone actually managed to run openoffice in squeeze? |
| 13:21.28 | lonnie | can cat overwrite an existing file? |
| 13:21.30 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
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| 13:21.36 | gnarface | can you guess what was wrong? |
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| 13:21.39 | lonnie | I'm getting permission denied using sudo too |
| 13:21.40 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: your own udev rules... |
| 13:21.43 | jmd | Or do I just have to go back to lenny? |
| 13:21.52 | thewanderer1 | jmd: works fine for me |
| 13:22.07 | thewanderer1 | lonnie: sudo doesn't affect > and >> |
| 13:22.11 | jmd | thewanderer1, What did you do to make it work? |
| 13:22.18 | gnarface | thewanderer1: no that's the mouse. don't know why it complained now, but i have a device finally... one pin. just ONE of the ide pins had ... not bent, but RECESSED (probably due to cheap ass ide cables) |
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| 13:22.36 | thewanderer1 | jmd: hmm, I installed it on a fresh Squeeze :) |
| 13:22.39 | gnarface | i was like "hey why is this pin shorter than the others?" fuuuuuuuuuu... |
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| 13:22.59 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: epic lol |
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| 13:23.19 | _stefanos_ | guys, i don't know what you did with wheezy, but it's daaaaaaamn faster than ever before!!! :D |
| 13:23.29 | jmd | thewanderer1, and what did you do when you tried to start it and got the erversion `UDK_3.8' not found (required by /usr/lib/openoffice/program/../basis-link/program/libsofficeapp.so)" ?ror: " |
| 13:23.29 | lonnie | Isn't debian using http://www.libreoffice.org/ instead of open office now ? |
| 13:23.36 | gnarface | so i pulled it back out with pliers and now i get this: http://pastebin.com/vDFtyaw0 (which despite my udev mouse dpi rules now barfing for some reason seems to be right becasue it gives me a block dev node) |
| 13:23.45 | gnarface | so lets' see if it burns a cd now.... |
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| 13:23.53 | thewanderer1 | jmd: no such error here... are you on ARM or something? |
| 13:24.08 | jmd | no. ix86 |
| 13:24.14 | the_dark_warrio | My laptop has two behaviors for the function keys F1, F2, etc. such as volume and brightness control. The actual function keys are accessed with the Fn key. Is it possible to swap this behavior? Make the F1, F2 keys be the default? |
| 13:24.17 | thewanderer1 | lonnie: in Squeeze it's still OO.o |
| 13:24.42 | thewanderer1 | the_dark_warrio: no, it's a firmware thing |
| 13:25.25 | jmd | Maybe a reboot will help .... |
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| 13:25.33 | the_dark_warrio | thewanderer1: I've heard about xmodmap, do you think it is possible to change with it? |
| 13:25.48 | jmd | (debian gets more and more like windoze by the month). |
| 13:25.58 | thewanderer1 | the_dark_warrio: no, the buttons are handled by ACPI and not by X |
| 13:26.16 | thewanderer1 | the_dark_warrio: I'd just read the hardware manual that came with the laptop... |
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| 13:26.30 | the_dark_warrio | thewanderer1: I see. Thanks |
| 13:26.32 | thewanderer1 | jmd: you've borked something :P |
| 13:26.34 | lonnie | @thewanderer1 Yeah, su worked but sudo didn't |
| 13:26.53 | jmd | thewanderer1, Yeah. Shouldn't have upgraded. |
| 13:27.10 | lonnie | So now my source.list is exactly the way it was after install. |
| 13:27.31 | niteria | I have etch and I can't upgrade, how can I install relatively new php5? |
| 13:27.49 | thewanderer1 | niteria: compile from source :P |
| 13:27.54 | gnarface | thewanderer1: those weird issues that gphoto/hal stuff was causing.... did you ever hear of it messing with the "eject" command? (like making drives double-eject and thereby close before even opening all the way?) i'm having that problem with an entirely separate drive, have been for a while... since dbus install i think |
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| 13:28.06 | marisn | after upgrade to stable, apache vhosts doesn't work anymore. Ideas where to digg? |
| 13:28.06 | themill | niteria: what prevents you from upgrading, btw? |
| 13:28.53 | niteria | themill: fear that everything will break and this server is to be replaced in a month |
| 13:29.02 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: no, it's been a long time I used any optical drives |
| 13:29.35 | themill | niteria: upgrading php is one of the best ways of breaking things, fwiw |
| 13:29.41 | gnarface | oh boy... now it shows up as /dev/sg2 and /dev/sr1... which to use? |
| 13:29.45 | abrotman | niteria: then why not wait a month ? |
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| 13:29.57 | niteria | it seems dotdeb.org supported etch |
| 13:30.05 | themill | dpkg: tell niteria about dotdeb |
| 13:30.10 | abrotman | niteria: do not use those packages |
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| 13:30.30 | niteria | waiting a month will couse my employer to lose a client |
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| 13:30.58 | thewanderer1 | you know etch is not secure anyway, so might as well use dotdeb... |
| 13:30.58 | niteria | server is on php4 default and php5-cgi |
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| 13:31.13 | abrotman | niteria: did you try compiling it yourself ? |
| 13:31.23 | niteria | not yet |
| 13:31.45 | niteria | I don't know the debian way |
| 13:32.23 | niteria | I mean I can compile it |
| 13:32.39 | niteria | if all dependences are met |
| 13:32.57 | niteria | maybe I could try backports\ |
| 13:33.00 | gnarface | ok so the -dummy cdrecord command worked without a hitch... gentlemen i believe i have a usb cd-rw drive now |
| 13:33.15 | gnarface | now what the hell is wrong with lomoco? |
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| 13:33.48 | lonnie | I figured out what my problem was. Apparently, after editing my interface file to add a static IP, I must have put the wrong gateway or something |
| 13:33.50 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: dunno what package it's in... but it's probably not Debian |
| 13:34.04 | niteria | btw I only need >= php 5.2.6 |
| 13:34.08 | lonnie | I could access the web server inside my network, but it could get stuff on the net |
| 13:34.11 | gnarface | thewanderer1: oh. probably not :( does everyone just leave their mice at the default dpi? |
| 13:34.12 | lichangjian | the evolution "Work online" button is greyed out,how can i make it work,tks |
| 13:34.33 | jmd | thewanderer1, Where's the section in the manual which tells me how to unbork it? |
| 13:34.35 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: no, we all use Kinect now, don't you know? |
| 13:34.51 | gnarface | thewanderer1: no i don't know what that is so i can't tell if you're joking |
| 13:34.55 | thewanderer1 | jmd: that would be release notes and upgrade instructions, but it only prevents borking... |
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| 13:36.23 | niteria | should I be afraid to upgrade libc6? |
| 13:36.45 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:37.27 | abrotman | "Hi, Can I just change the transmission in my car, swapping a sedan transmission for an SUV transmission?" |
| 13:37.38 | niteria | I thought so |
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| 13:39.44 | Masdjo | Italc not work |
| 13:40.16 | robblesz | I'm compiling a locally modified debian source package with "debuild -us -uc". One of the tests during the build fails, so I fix it. Is there any way to resume the build without starting from scratch? |
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| 13:40.49 | gnarface | run make? |
| 13:40.53 | gnarface | shouldn't guess |
| 13:40.59 | robblesz | By "fix it", I mean comment out the test |
| 13:41.08 | abrotman | what could go wron |
| 13:41.09 | abrotman | g |
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| 13:53.51 | Innocentus | hi |
| 13:54.03 | Innocentus | anyone online with some package experience? :=) |
| 13:54.30 | sekon | Innocentus: ? |
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| 13:54.57 | Innocentus | I want to install PHP5.3, but appearently the most recent package has got only version 5.2.6-1+lenny9 |
| 13:55.19 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: Squeeze is stable, upgrade... |
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| 13:55.51 | jmd | OK. The text that's missing from the release notes is "if you want OOo to work after the upgrade, type rm -rf /usr/lib/openoffice before starting" |
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| 13:58.31 | anoob | i can't use my wireless usb dongle with 2.6.37 (debian sid) |
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| 13:58.36 | anoob | any ideia about it? |
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| 13:59.11 | cahoot | 'wireless usb dongle ' is a rather vague description |
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| 13:59.54 | anoob | sorry cahoot, it's a tplink tl wn821n |
| 14:00.27 | cahoot | I guess the usbid would be of interest (lsusb) |
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| 14:02.26 | xyan | tp link haha the worst stuff ive ever seen, quality chinese copy of dlink though |
| 14:02.51 | anoob | cahoot, ID 0cf3:1002 Atheros Communications, Inc. TP-Link TL-WN821N v2 [Atheros AR9001U-(2)NG] |
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| 14:03.06 | thewanderer1 | xyan: actually they're supported pretty well with their Atheros chipsets |
| 14:03.09 | gnarface | hmm |
| 14:03.17 | cahoot | 0cf3:1002 is the usbid anoob |
| 14:03.17 | gnarface | lomoco is not part of debian? |
| 14:03.39 | anoob | ok cahoot, thank you... and now? |
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| 14:04.33 | cahoot | anoob: unplug/replug the device and run dmesg | tail -n 20 - look for complaints errors |
| 14:05.42 | [sr] | howdy people, |
| 14:05.53 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: lomoco is in Debian but apparently the udev file is unknown by judd |
| 14:05.55 | [sr] | this is not quite debian related but i cant find a cron channel |
| 14:06.15 | [sr] | how can i define the email ffor the runparts when executed? |
| 14:06.39 | [sr] | i want to receive the the notifications on other email other than local root |
| 14:06.49 | gnarface | thewanderer1: not a surprise. i'm just gonna try swapping all instances of 'SYSFS' with 'ATTRS' and see if that works |
| 14:07.06 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: no, read the documentation first :D |
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| 14:07.53 | gnarface | thewanderer1: i just did. all this is for is making udev do '/usr/bin/lomoco -p c012 --800;' if the usb bus resets after boot so i don't randomly lose my mouse dpi in the middle of a quake match if i plug in a usb cd-rw for example... |
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| 14:08.40 | gnarface | so its just a bunch of lines like this for various logitech input devices: ATTRS{idVendor}=="046d", ATTRS{idProduct}=="c704", RUN+="udev.lomoco" (that were SYSFS where ATTRS is now) |
| 14:08.43 | gnarface | look right? |
| 14:08.55 | thewanderer1 | looks pretty fine |
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| 14:09.07 | jelly-home | [sr]: I _guess_ you could just add a MAILTO = ... to /etc/crontab |
| 14:09.40 | jelly-home | [sr]: I have root's mail redirected via /etc/aliases instead |
| 14:09.42 | [sr] | hi jelly, ya, but it works for the lines i add there, not the the: 25 6 * * * root test -e /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily |
| 14:10.06 | anoob | cahoot, http://pastebin.com/hmstEQxK |
| 14:10.12 | jelly-home | [sr]: if you have anacron installed, it will take responsibility instead |
| 14:10.20 | gnarface | lots of people consider it a security hazard for root to receive any of its own mail |
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| 14:10.37 | [sr] | jelly: hum no anacron on the system |
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| 14:10.40 | jelly-home | [sr]: if you have a server or a machine running 24/7, uninstall anacron |
| 14:10.59 | jelly-home | hm |
| 14:11.44 | [sr] | jelly-home: its already on alias: root: myemail@domain.com |
| 14:11.53 | cahoot | anoob: no sign of a wlan in ip link? |
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| 14:12.22 | Innocentus | COOL! Squeeze is released already? |
| 14:12.25 | Django84 | hi!! |
| 14:12.27 | Django84 | I'm looking to buy a wireless router that has the ability to configure when connect to internet (by PPPoE) and when disconnect, automatically. |
| 14:12.30 | anoob | cahoot, i can do "ifconfig wlan0" and that works |
| 14:12.38 | Innocentus | I thought they wanted to release Squeeze with Duke Nukem? |
| 14:12.40 | anoob | cahoot, i've found this one: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-864045-start-0.html |
| 14:12.54 | cahoot | anoob: how about iwlist scan? |
| 14:12.56 | thewanderer1 | Django84: just get something that can run OpenWRT... |
| 14:13.37 | Django84 | thewanderer1: that firmware can do this? |
| 14:13.58 | thewanderer1 | Django84: as long as you can run cron on it, and you presumably can, it should be able to... ask in #openwrt though |
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| 14:14.22 | gnarface | alright time to ruin my uptime by testing this boot disk |
| 14:14.24 | anoob | cahoot, iwlist scan works... |
| 14:14.29 | Django84 | thewanderer1: ok thanks for the advice, cheers! |
| 14:14.35 | anoob | cahoot, do you want to see the output? |
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| 14:14.39 | Innocentus | QUESTION: How can I upgrade my existing lenny to squeeze? |
| 14:14.52 | Innocentus | DO I need to ask my V-Server-Provider before? |
| 14:14.59 | cahoot | anoob: so it just works |
| 14:15.03 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: answer: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 14:15.15 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: DO I need to ask my V-Server-Provider before? |
| 14:15.21 | Innocentus | will they stab me otherwise? |
| 14:15.26 | [sr] | jelly-home: i'm getting nuts :( |
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| 14:15.38 | thewanderer1 | Innocentus: if you are under a shared kernel like OpenVZ, it will go smooth |
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| 14:15.55 | thewanderer1 | otherwise if the kernel is held captive by *them*... better negotiate |
| 14:16.00 | cahoot | anoob: personally I use wicd for negotiating with the router |
| 14:16.24 | oldtopman | Is there an updated version of IceWeasel around here? |
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| 14:17.10 | IceWeasel4 | oldtopman: sure, I hang around here a lot |
| 14:17.20 | anoob | cahoot, suddenly it worked |
| 14:17.31 | anoob | cahoot, omg... it's pretty weird |
| 14:17.47 | oldtopman | ... |
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| 14:19.27 | cahoot | anoob: guess the replugging did the trick |
| 14:20.31 | anoob | thank you cahoot |
| 14:20.41 | cahoot | np |
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| 14:20.58 | Dsee | hi |
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| 14:26.49 | gnarface | hooraaay that boot disk worked. |
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| 14:28.25 | gnarface | so i can confirm that my problem with getting that optical IDE drive to work over usb it had nothing to do with debian, the kernel, the jumpers, driver support, the adapter (this one: http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/usb-gadgets/dd1a/) or anything else other than... |
| 14:28.27 | gnarface | bent pin |
| 14:28.28 | gnarface | *sigh* |
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| 14:29.32 | oldtopman | *pats gnarface on back* |
| 14:29.35 | jelly-home | pins get bent |
| 14:29.45 | gnarface | it seemed to even burn at the correct speed despite hdparm failing to query it for the right features and thinking it would have to use it in pio mode |
| 14:30.00 | gnarface | (52x) |
| 14:31.07 | gnarface | oh by the way that squeeze installer boot prompt background graphic is so cute |
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| 14:33.16 | gnarface | lomoco on the other hand is still not playing nice with udev, in fact i'm not sure it ever was. i've always needed /usr/bin/lomoco -p c012 --800; in my rc.local to get it to fire on boot and sometimes the usb bus resets drops my dpi back to 400 too |
| 14:33.35 | gnarface | that lomoco udev rules file was supposed to fix that |
| 14:33.38 | Innocentus | Is updating to Squeeze easy? |
| 14:33.45 | Innocentus | Do I need to format my harddrive? |
| 14:33.46 | Innocentus | uh oh |
| 14:34.18 | gnarface | Innocentus: from lenny i would assume it is very easy unless you've manually customized a bunch of stuff outside your /home directory. you would not need to format under normal circumstances |
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| 14:34.43 | cahoot | Innocentus: just make sure you follow the instructions in release notes |
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| 14:35.10 | gnarface | release notes != install guide? |
| 14:35.12 | Innocentus | gnarface: it is just a asimple webserver |
| 14:35.19 | CuteAlien | Innocentus, http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 14:35.31 | Innocentus | thx |
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| 14:38.53 | CuteAlien | rather long instructions, but it's basically about: backup, be in consolemode when upgrading, change names in sources list to squeeze, do upgrade before dist-upgrade, update kernel, update udev, reboot, dist-upgrade the rest. |
| 14:39.00 | stew | gnarface: correct, there are two separate documents |
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| 14:39.24 | Bushmills | ,versions uswsusp |
| 14:39.26 | judd | Package uswsusp on i386 -- lenny: 0.7-1.2; sid: 0.8-1.2+b1 |
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| 14:40.12 | CuteAlien | (and then spend 3 days on trying to configure KDE afterward, hrhr) |
| 14:41.15 | gnarface | is still using e16 since the 90's |
| 14:41.28 | helmut | hi. I'd like to move a plain root filesystem on a simple partition to an encrypted lus device residing in a volume group. I already extracted /boot. Can you give some pointers on pitfalls I should avoid? |
| 14:41.38 | helmut | s/lus/luks/ |
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| 14:42.54 | kaluva | Hi. Do any of you have a working mozplugger with chromium-browser in squeeze? |
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| 14:45.18 | asdxxpf | Hi, i'm trying to su - but it says: su: User not known to the underlying authentication module |
| 14:45.22 | asdxxpf | any ideas? |
| 14:45.34 | thewanderer1 | I have some gconf entries, need to move them to a different user account |
| 14:45.51 | helmut | asdxxpf: output of id? |
| 14:46.35 | thewanderer1 | can I just copy the directories from ~/.gconf ? |
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| 14:48.23 | oldtopman | asdxxpf thewander1: Don't forget to ghange owner though. |
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| 14:48.35 | oldtopman | sorry asdxxpf |
| 14:49.13 | asdxxpf | helmut: uh, output of id? |
| 14:49.14 | oldtopman | thewanderer1^^ |
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| 14:49.31 | helmut | asdxxpf: type "id" in your shell |
| 14:49.45 | thewanderer1 | oldtopman: sure |
| 14:50.22 | oldtopman | I've done it across slackware installs, but my username was the same. |
| 14:50.23 | asdxxpf | helmut: oh you mean this, id is 11280 |
| 14:50.36 | jelly-home | asdxxpf: no username? |
| 14:50.46 | kaluva | asdxxpf: No groups? |
| 14:51.01 | jelly-home | asdxxpf: is "11280" actual, complete output of the "id" command? |
| 14:51.10 | thewanderer1 | if I integrate 2 NSS sources, passwd and LDAP, and they have overlapping users, will I break anything? |
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| 14:51.27 | helmut | asdxxpf: what I expected. you are using a user which has no entry in /etc/passwd. |
| 14:51.33 | CuteAlien | Has anyone here found a solution to get KDE4 fast with proprietary nvidia drivers? |
| 14:51.33 | asdxxpf | sry, uid=11280(username) gid=513(Domain Users) groups=513(Domain Users) |
| 14:51.36 | asdxxpf | :) |
| 14:51.42 | asdxxpf | wrong paste |
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| 14:51.46 | helmut | ohh ok |
| 14:51.53 | jelly-home | asdxxpf: is that Debian? |
| 14:51.54 | thewanderer1 | now I have thewanderer in both /etc/passwd and LDAP |
| 14:51.59 | asdxxpf | je, lenny |
| 14:52.38 | jelly-home | asdxxpf: is your username really "username"? |
| 14:53.26 | jelly-home | asdxxpf: what does "getent passwd username" say? |
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| 14:54.35 | asdxxpf | username:x:11280:513:username:/home/username:/bin/bash |
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| 14:55.06 | mikunos | hi guys |
| 14:55.13 | asdxxpf | this is not listed in /etc/passwd |
| 14:55.20 | helmut | asdxxpf: is that system using some kind of kerberos, ldap, or anything else? |
| 14:55.21 | stew | asdxxpf: what does "grep passwd /etc/nsswitch.conf" return? |
| 14:55.26 | mikunos | I am trying some difficulty to set a permission to a folder |
| 14:55.29 | helmut | stew++ |
| 14:55.35 | asdxxpf | ldap je |
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| 14:56.04 | asdxxpf | passwd: files ldap [NOTFOUND=return] db |
| 14:56.08 | mikunos | this folder is in a webserver and I would like to let the browser catch all the files within it |
| 14:56.37 | mikunos | I have already tested with the chmod 777 only for testing of course |
| 14:56.50 | mikunos | but I cannot see the files |
| 14:57.08 | mikunos | how have I do? |
| 14:57.24 | mikunos | how have I to do? |
| 14:58.09 | gnarface | mikunos: my guess is you need to understand the difference between the filesystem permissions and apache's directory indexing feature |
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| 14:58.37 | mikunos | gnarface all the resources are available than this folder |
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| 14:59.12 | gnarface | mikunos: can you show us a url? |
| 14:59.21 | mikunos | http://www.musicily.it/ |
| 14:59.42 | gnarface | it seems to load fine for me |
| 14:59.42 | mikunos | http://www.musicily.it/javascript/prototype/prototype.js |
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| 15:00.17 | mikunos | gnarface can you see it? |
| 15:00.21 | mikunos | You don't have permission to access /javascript/prototype/prototype.js on this server. |
| 15:00.55 | gnarface | mikunos: yes i'm pretty sure that is apache telling you that, not the filesystem. maybe you have .htaccess files somewhere in there blocking direct access? |
| 15:01.03 | magyar | can a softraid be used for LVM? |
| 15:01.23 | mikunos | gnarface: no there is no any .htaccess |
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| 15:01.59 | asdxxpf | anyone? :) |
| 15:02.01 | gnarface | mikunos: are you sure? if not then the issue could be in your apache config. |
| 15:02.18 | mikunos | but it is very strange! |
| 15:02.39 | mikunos | why apache does block this folder and not the others |
| 15:02.40 | mikunos | ? |
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| 15:03.06 | gnarface | mikunos: there's only one reason - either its a .htaccess file or something in your /etc/apache2 directory |
| 15:03.27 | gnarface | mikunos: did you check for .htaccess files by doing: ls * |
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| 15:03.37 | mikunos | ls -la |
| 15:03.39 | asdxxpf | stew: passwd: files ldap [NOTFOUND=return] db |
| 15:04.04 | gnarface | mikunos: did you check inside /javascript? it might not be in the docroot |
| 15:04.33 | mikunos | the folder is present |
| 15:04.37 | mikunos | with all the files |
| 15:04.50 | gnarface | mikunos: i mean .htaccess might be in /javascript |
| 15:05.00 | gnarface | mikunos: OR it might be in the docroot |
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| 15:05.33 | mikunos | in the docroot there is not any htaccess |
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| 15:05.43 | mikunos | let me check the javascript folder |
| 15:06.10 | mikunos | nothing |
| 15:06.28 | mikunos | there is no .htaccess within the javascript folder |
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| 15:06.43 | gnarface | mikunos: what does the server error log say when you try to access a file in there? |
| 15:07.11 | NickyP | How can I resolve this error from upgrades? update is ok. |
| 15:07.13 | NickyP | E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. |
| 15:07.32 | mikunos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:08.24 | mikunos | [19/Feb/2011:16:05:14 +0100] "GET /javascript/prototype/prototype.js HTTP/1.1" 403 255 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101206 Ubuntu/10.10 (maverick) Firefox/3.6.13" |
| 15:08.38 | gnarface | not the access log, the error log |
| 15:09.04 | mikunos | [Sat Feb 19 16:05:14 2011] [error] [client 93.133.137.37] client denied by server configuration: /usr/share/javascript/prototype |
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| 15:09.37 | kaluva | NickyP: Seems to me you just need to check for broken packages, for example inside aptitude |
| 15:09.51 | NickyP | how to? |
| 15:10.00 | gnarface | mikunos: that makes it pretty clear to me that it has nothing to do with filesystem permissions. if there are no .htaccess files the problem must be in your main apache config, or else in this particular virtualhost config |
| 15:10.07 | kaluva | NickyP: What program do you use for managing packages? |
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| 15:11.09 | gnarface | mikunos: no, apache has configuration files in /etc/apache2 that you need to read and understand |
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| 15:11.35 | NickyP | aptitude but it gets stuck on resloving dep. and then the package manager kicks this error |
| 15:11.49 | NickyP | so have tried both |
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| 15:11.55 | mikunos | gnarface: http://pastie.org/private/p0dqw8rsbsonqddsyycgmg |
| 15:12.03 | NickyP | but i PERFER APTITUDE |
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| 15:12.30 | NickyP | sorry for caps |
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| 15:12.54 | kaluva | NickyP: I don't quite follow. You just start aptitude and it gets stuck? What do you mean by stuck? |
| 15:13.50 | mikunos | gnarface: I don't see any strange configuration |
| 15:14.37 | NickyP | aptitude update does its thing ok. aptitude safe-upgrade counts resolving depend. like in a loop it ran overnight |
| 15:14.58 | NickyP | and never finished |
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| 15:15.36 | gnarface | mikunos: we can agree to disagree on that then, but I don't think that is all of it anyway, and sorry but I'm not going to help anyone debug an apache install with webdav, sorry |
| 15:16.06 | mikunos | :( |
| 15:16.22 | gnarface | mikunos: make sure you've read through the whole config... with this type of stuff in the file you've shown me god only knows what horrible things they've put in the global config |
| 15:17.41 | kaluva | NickyP: So you are running it from the command line, not interactively? |
| 15:17.42 | bibekp | hi, i upgraded from etch to lenny. i also installed php5 apache module, disabled php4 module and enabled php5 apache module. but php -v in command line shows things related to php4 and my websites also dont work because they seem to be trying to access php4 stuffs. any suggestions ? |
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| 15:18.06 | NickyP | yes |
| 15:18.33 | gnarface | mikunos: this was a debian install once right? do you know what version? the recent ones should have a global config file at /etc/apache2/apache2.conf and if you read through that you should be able to figure out what other files are being included. maybe that will make it more apparent to you |
| 15:19.05 | mikunos | ok |
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| 15:19.14 | mikunos | it is the last version |
| 15:19.18 | mikunos | stable version |
| 15:20.00 | gnarface | mikunos: if the rest of the configuration is as heavily customized as what you have shown me, then you have my sympathy, if not my support |
| 15:20.02 | themill | bibekp: the command line php4 is a different package to the web-servers stuff. Ripping all php4 stuff out mightn't be such a bad plan at this stage. "aptitude search ~nphp4~i" will give you a list of installed php4 packages; change "search" to "remove" to get rid of all of them. |
| 15:20.35 | NickyP | I tried the update manager under system->Adiministration->package manager and it kicked the error-> E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. |
| 15:20.56 | kaluva | NickyP: Please wait a sec, I'm trying something |
| 15:21.02 | NickyP | k |
| 15:21.16 | bibekp | themill, ok. the only problem is that even some web apps seem to be using the old php4 libraries |
| 15:21.24 | bibekp | i will try removing them |
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| 15:22.00 | mikunos | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.54 | kaluva | NickyP: It seems to me that you haven't actually upgraded, and that aptitude got stuck before installing anything new. Correct? |
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| 15:23.04 | NickyP | yes |
| 15:23.17 | mikunos | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.55 | kaluva | NickyP: In that case, I'd suggest you try the recommended way to upgrade. Type this in your chat client: |
| 15:24.05 | kaluva | NickyP: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 15:24.06 | gnarface | mikunos: so i see. see at the end where it includes everything in conf.d and sites-enabled though? you have to check all those files now for possible causes |
| 15:24.27 | mikunos | ok |
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| 15:24.56 | kaluva | NickyP: Did you get the message? |
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| 15:25.48 | NickyP | no |
| 15:25.55 | NickyP | nothing came up |
| 15:25.58 | kaluva | NickyP: Hang on |
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| 15:26.26 | kaluva | NickyP: Got mine? |
| 15:26.38 | mikunos | gnarface http://pastie.org/private/p0dqw8rsbsonqddsyycgmg |
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| 15:26.59 | themill | dpkg: tell NickyP about lenny->squeeze |
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| 15:30.15 | gnarface | mikunos: see? you didn't even need my help for that. |
| 15:30.28 | mikunos | thanks :) |
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| 15:31.15 | gnarface | no problem |
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| 15:41.19 | toad_ | running wine through pulseaudio with skype at the same time causes skype not to work at all and wine to have major audio skipping |
| 15:41.22 | toad_ | any solutions? |
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| 15:42.52 | toad_ | pulse is already running at realtime priority afaics so i don't see how there is a solution involving pulse frankly |
| 15:43.00 | toad_ | it is clearly the cause of the problem |
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| 15:47.54 | by73r0bb3r | hi, i was in here complaining earlier about my framebuffer changing at udev, i realised that was kgs, but now i have kgs disabled and i cant set a framebuffer mode at all. im trying to use links -g and mplayer in console |
| 15:48.17 | marshalmc1 | anyone using http://ftp.us.debian.org for their lenny packages getting errors while runniing apt-get update with a error code "111 connection refused" |
| 15:48.19 | marshalmc1 | ? |
| 15:48.47 | stew | marshalmc1: which ip address are you having trouble with? |
| 15:48.58 | marshalmc1 | 204.152.191.39 |
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| 15:49.18 | stew | yeah, that one seems to be down |
| 15:49.23 | by73r0bb3r | i hate grub2 |
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| 15:49.33 | marshalmc1 | ok so i should just pick a different package server |
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| 15:50.00 | marshalmc1 | never seen a package server not working like this |
| 15:50.00 | stew | marshalmc1: ftp.us.debian.org is 5 different ip addresses, the others work, fwiw |
| 15:50.06 | marshalmc1 | hmm |
| 15:50.20 | marshalmc1 | maybe i will just edit my hosts file |
| 15:50.31 | kpoman | hello people. I am having a little problem with a broken deb package (samba for maemo) and the aptitude tools cant get rid of it. I posted the error here: http://pastebin.com/FAgyfNNd |
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| 15:50.40 | kpoman | can someone please just take a look at it ? |
| 15:50.48 | kpoman | and tell me the one-liner that solves it all ? |
| 15:51.03 | helmut | hi. for some reason my system believes that the root file system is located on /lib/init/rw/rootdev (message: "Will now check root filesystem: ..." then it succeeds in checking and gives me the usage for /bin/mount). any hints on how to debug? |
| 15:51.11 | helmut | (sid) |
| 15:51.26 | toad_ | why do i get skipping when running wine over pulseaudio? |
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| 15:51.39 | marshalmc1 | ty stew |
| 15:51.47 | by73r0bb3r | found da bug ya |
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| 15:54.14 | kaluva | helmut: First fsck runs normally, then you get the output from 'mount -h'? |
| 15:54.14 | djura-san | hi |
| 15:54.27 | helmut | ok. this happens when you fuck up your /etc/fstab line for / (grub looks up by uuid). |
| 15:54.30 | helmut | kaluva: precisely |
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| 15:55.02 | kaluva | helmut: So just solved it yourself? |
| 15:55.03 | d1b | kpoman: totally upgrade to wp7 (kidding) - try asking in #maemo |
| 15:55.22 | kpoman | d1b: tried. got linked to here :p |
| 15:55.24 | helmut | kaluva: not sure, but my fstab was not correct. |
| 15:55.31 | kpoman | infinite loop detected |
| 15:55.38 | d1b | kpoman: ha! |
| 15:55.53 | d1b | so then upgrade to wp7 :P |
| 15:56.00 | kpoman | d1b: I think it is more aptitude related, in being able to solve the mess |
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| 15:56.16 | Corentin59 | Hello ! |
| 15:56.28 | Agiofws | can someone tell me why a can;t install google-chrome-beta_current_i386.deb |
| 15:56.33 | Corentin59 | This is a chan english or french ? |
| 15:56.34 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:56.42 | temro | hello |
| 15:56.45 | kaluva | Corentin59: English, please |
| 15:56.50 | temro | are there really no php fpm packages in debian squeeze? |
| 15:56.52 | Agiofws | google-chrome-unstable provides google-chrome and is present and installed. |
| 15:56.54 | helmut | kaluva: yes. this error was plainly due to my wrong fstab. thanks for thinking about it. |
| 15:56.58 | d1b | kpoman: apt-get install samba-common |
| 15:57.03 | Agiofws | Virtual packages like 'google-chrome' can't be removed |
| 15:57.09 | toad_ | aaaaaaaaargh i hate pulseaudio |
| 15:57.11 | d1b | wait |
| 15:57.14 | kaluva | helmut: Well, you're welcome |
| 15:57.15 | d1b | what the ehll |
| 15:57.19 | Agiofws | Reading state information... Done |
| 15:57.19 | Agiofws | E: Unable to locate package google-chrome-unstalble |
| 15:57.26 | Corentin59 | Ok but i'm 13, my english is not verry good |
| 15:57.29 | toad_ | pulseaudio doesn't work well in system mode, resulting in skipping, it's supposed to run per session |
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| 15:57.44 | toad_ | but if you have two sessions outputting sound at the same time that won't work because pulseaudio flat refuses to use dmix |
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| 15:57.55 | d1b | kpoman: those are #maemo packages |
| 15:58.01 | d1b | can't help you |
| 15:58.04 | kpoman | http://pastebin.com/XDBUvrvv |
| 15:58.31 | helmut | kaluva: I just managed to move / from /dev/sdc1 to /dev/mapper/crypt-root which is a luks dev residing on /dev/vg1/root. it was surprisingly easy. :-) |
| 15:58.41 | kpoman | d1b: I dont want to install samba anymore. just want to clean up the mess. I think it is more aptitude-related ! |
| 15:58.46 | d1b | kpoman: um |
| 15:58.49 | d1b | apt-get install -f ? |
| 15:58.49 | d1b | :P |
| 15:59.00 | d1b | erh -f install * |
| 15:59.14 | d1b | erh**** - what happens if you do apt-get -f install |
| 15:59.14 | kpoman | it fails too |
| 15:59.19 | d1b | with what? |
| 15:59.37 | Corentin59 | then I know how to install an os from a Debian ssh please |
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| 16:00.11 | kpoman | this: http://pastebin.com/4xuQjvt0 |
| 16:00.22 | kpoman | thats why it seems a aptitude mess :p |
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| 16:01.43 | d1b | kpoman: rm /var/cache/apt/archives/samba_3.4.3-maemo2_armel.deb |
| 16:01.54 | d1b | and tyr again |
| 16:01.54 | kaluva | Corentin59: Maybe you should try #debianfr |
| 16:02.07 | Corentin59 | thanks |
| 16:02.37 | Corentin59 | bye :) |
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| 16:03.02 | Corentin59 | good day everybody |
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| 16:03.10 | kpoman | d1b: try which cmd ? |
| 16:03.16 | d1b | kpoman: rm /var/cache/apt/archives/samba_3.4.3-maemo2_armel.deb |
| 16:04.00 | kpoman | d1b: try again which cmd ? |
| 16:04.02 | kpoman | :p |
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| 16:04.26 | d1b | apt-get -f install |
| 16:04.36 | kpoman | trying |
| 16:04.38 | d1b | you probably need to -d install samba tho ... |
| 16:04.41 | d1b | not sure :P |
| 16:04.51 | d1b | (not in that order) |
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| 16:08.50 | marshalmc1 | anyone maintain any restaurant POS systems that run on debian? |
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| 16:14.00 | gnarface | hey i found a computer the squeeze businesscard iso boots on then immediately IO locks |
| 16:14.17 | gnarface | does this thing need more than 1MB of video ram? |
| 16:14.49 | guk | old computer ?? sometimes faulty RAM |
| 16:15.10 | gnarface | that could certainly be the case as well |
| 16:15.20 | gnarface | since it io locks immedialy i can't even launch memtest |
| 16:15.30 | guk | try to run the mem... never mind lol looks like you tried it |
| 16:15.41 | guk | you can try by slowly debuggin ... removing RAM chips ... expansion cards |
| 16:15.46 | guk | PSU ?? |
| 16:15.48 | gnarface | i can't even move the bar cursor off "Install" |
| 16:16.02 | gnarface | it boots the cd and shows me the option menu but the keyboard does nothing |
| 16:16.14 | guk | ooh ... PS/2 keyboard ? |
| 16:16.19 | gnarface | yea. numlock status is on (as per the bios setting) but i can't turn it off |
| 16:16.24 | gnarface | which suggests to me an IO lock |
| 16:16.33 | hid3 | Has anyone backported latest transmission-daemon to a .deb? |
| 16:16.36 | guk | yeah if numlock freezes on a plugged in keyboard its usually a sign of a lock |
| 16:16.40 | gnarface | but i can go into the bios and fiddle around in there all day long so i know its not a keyboard issue |
| 16:16.51 | magicianlord | when is debian getting rid of hal |
| 16:16.58 | guk | utorrent has a great client for linux it works excellent ... 450MHz P3 here I hit 1.6MB/s down constantly with it |
| 16:17.10 | magicianlord | and when is thunar getting fixed to not have to use hal for volman |
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| 16:21.27 | magicianlord | good day, sirs |
| 16:23.06 | gnarface | greetings |
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| 16:24.45 | kpoman | d1b: nothing solves this :( |
| 16:24.46 | kpoman | help ! |
| 16:25.56 | magicianlord | should i eat taco bell today |
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| 16:27.23 | gnarface | magicianlord: no. its not even meat |
| 16:27.50 | magicianlord | ok |
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| 16:28.02 | lukas2511 | hi! i have a little problem with my network configuration.. i have 2 ip addresses that i have used on one network interface. now i want to remove one to assign it to a virtual machine. i removed the ip from the network device but the server still responds to it.. i can't see the address under "ip addr", "route", "ipconfig -a", "iptables -S" or something else.. any idea ? |
| 16:28.06 | magicianlord | so i will need to get the food elswhere |
| 16:28.26 | gnarface | ok so check this out... knoppix doesn't IO lock at the boot prompt, and i can run memtest (running it now) but when i try to boot *knoppix* it goes to a blank video screen that just says something like "unable to set unknown video mode 317, continuing with current mode" but doesn't seem to do anything else |
| 16:28.55 | gnarface | however now that its in memtest i still can't toggle the numlock light on the keyboard... so i'm wondering if the issue is actually a video card support issue |
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| 16:29.22 | MrFrood | magicianlord: perhaps #debian-offtopic |
| 16:29.25 | }dec3pti0n{ | anyone uses bird here by any chance for ospf ? |
| 16:29.55 | magicianlord | ok mrfood |
| 16:30.12 | gnarface | what type of video card requirements does the squeeze installer have? i can't seem to find them in the installation guide |
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| 16:31.43 | flypp | i haven't tested the Squeeze installer yet but... is it not a non-graphical installing option? |
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| 16:32.18 | magicianlord | flypp: yes |
| 16:32.38 | magicianlord | i dont really see the point of having both installer types, since they walk you through hte same steps |
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| 16:33.32 | gnarface | flypp: the problem i'm having is as soon as the boot finishes. i can't move the cursor or even hit "enter" to start the install by default |
| 16:33.34 | flypp | maybe because graphical installer is nicer |
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| 16:34.17 | gnarface | couldn't even run memtest |
| 16:34.20 | MrFrood | magicianlord: new linux users feel more comftable with a graphical installer, a text-mode installer works across a wider range of hardware |
| 16:34.28 | flypp | gnarface, you're talking about graphical installer, isn't it? |
| 16:34.51 | flypp | yep, try the text-based installing option |
| 16:35.10 | hid3 | I have a .deb file of a package whose older version is installed on my system. How do I upgrade that package? I assume dpkg -i packagename.deb would work? |
| 16:35.13 | gnarface | flypp: no you don't understand. i can't select graphical or text based installation options... it freezes at the boot prompt |
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| 16:37.16 | flypp | gnarface, what's your video card? |
| 16:38.32 | gnarface | flypp: i dunno some onboard atrocity integrated into an intel i815 chipset in an old ibm netvista p3-866 machine. it has a bios option for either 512KB or 1MB of integrated system-ram |
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| 16:39.16 | flypp | did you get any error messages? |
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| 16:40.34 | linduxed | so lets assume i've had lvm across two drives, one of them died so i wish to get rid of all traces of lvm to partition the remaining drive normally. |
| 16:40.34 | linduxed | what do i have to do so that i don't have lvm waste lying around like drives in /dev/mapper and so on? |
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| 16:41.34 | gnarface | flypp: no error messages at all. just gets to the boot prompt and suddenly i can't move the cursor |
| 16:41.59 | flypp | does ctrl+alt+f1 works? |
| 16:42.05 | gnarface | negative |
| 16:42.06 | gnarface | nothing |
| 16:42.08 | flypp | :S |
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| 16:42.40 | sacredchao | In Synaptic, I can see packages that are new to the branch of Debian ith white box icons with yellow stars in them. How can I see similar status of new packages in aptitude? |
| 16:43.02 | gnarface | knoppix however does allow me to start the boot process, and IT gives me the error message "undefined video mode number 317, using current mode instead" but appears to halt there as well |
| 16:43.29 | gnarface | so that's why the video being insufficient came to mind |
| 16:43.58 | flypp | gnarface, there is a tty while Debian installatien where installation messages are displayed. Try to find that tty while installation dvd is booting. Maybe you could find what's going on |
| 16:44.25 | gnarface | flypp: this is happening before those ttys turn on i think. alt f[N] does nothing |
| 16:44.51 | gnarface | its literally right as the cd finishes boot up, at that first screen where you can select "installation" "advanced options" "help" etc |
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| 16:45.29 | gnarface | the keyboard just appears to go dead at that point. knoppix doesn't go dead till after you hit enter though at the boot prompt |
| 16:45.31 | by73r0bb3r | heyhey where can i set uid for udev on boot, like permissions? |
| 16:46.04 | flypp | that doesn't make any sense. I know that Squeeze installer uses some kind of graphical capabilities, but a lot of stuff is loaded before that point... Try that dvd in another machine. |
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| 16:47.45 | gnarface | flypp: its a cdrom, and i did already. before i started trying to resurrect this thing i booted my main desktop with it. the cdrom is just fine |
| 16:48.13 | gnarface | flypp: memtest on the knoppix disk works fine too and i was able to complete a whole pass of the default tests without error |
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| 16:51.50 | gnarface | hmm |
| 16:52.04 | gnarface | really weird |
| 16:52.25 | tekzilla | java will always prefer IPv6 on my system, unless i explicitly tell it to prefer IPv4 at startup |
| 16:52.36 | tekzilla | any ideas on how to make JVMs prefer IPv4 by default ? |
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| 16:53.15 | chipotle | how do i fix my internet? i'm on debian lenny but i can't access anything on the internet anymore. the modem is fine |
| 16:53.17 | chipotle | what do i do? |
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| 16:53.40 | Nomadicus | tekzilla: ! |
| 16:53.41 | tvm | chipotle: follow the documentation and set up networking ? |
| 16:53.56 | chipotle | tvm: it has worked before |
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| 16:54.00 | chipotle | tvm: it isn't anymore |
| 16:54.06 | tekzilla | Nomadicus: stupid question ? |
| 16:54.08 | chipotle | ifconfig has 'command not found' |
| 16:54.19 | tvm | chipotle: what did you change ? |
| 16:54.36 | stew | chipotle: /sbin/ifconfig? |
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| 16:55.03 | rtra | has anyone here ever used dwww with thttpd? |
| 16:55.06 | tekzilla | chipotle: as root |
| 16:55.09 | chipotle | stew: just in bash, type '/sbin/ifcobfig'? |
| 16:55.13 | chipotle | ok |
| 16:55.16 | chipotle | tvm: nothing |
| 16:55.51 | g0rd0n | i have a problem with getting grub on the serial console... i added the lines "serial --unit=0 --speed=57600" \ "terminal --timeout=10 serial console" but it looks like the second line is making the machine hang on boot (it hangs at loading stage 2)... what could the problem be? |
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| 17:02.56 | rtra | how does one get the less command to automatically deal with gunzip(1)ed files? |
| 17:04.00 | gnarface | rtra: i assume you mean gzipped files, since gunzipped would be in its normal state. the answer is you don't. you use zless instead |
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| 17:06.20 | rtra | gnarface: that's right, thank you. But in grml (a debian-live based system) i can use 'less' for *.gz files. Same thing in a gentoo system I used some time ago. the less command is not a script in theses systems, so there must be some support to automatically detect the file type |
| 17:07.25 | pronihilist | hello, selecting install from the cd boot menu seems to hang. no visible change |
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| 17:08.07 | gnarface | rtra: zless also works on normal text files, making less somewhat redundant if you need support for both. maybe grml just names zless less? |
| 17:08.55 | jelly-home | rtra: man lesspipe |
| 17:09.14 | gnarface | pronihilist: can you move the cursor at all? i'm having a similar issue but only on a specific machine, but i can't move the cursor at all |
| 17:10.05 | pronihilist | there is no cursor. not using a live image. cannot move menu selection |
| 17:10.47 | gnarface | pronihilist: i think you are saying the same thing i am saying. i am using the businesscard iso. which one you using? |
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| 17:11.34 | pronihilist | tried the 180mb net inst and cd1 |
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| 17:12.23 | gnarface | pronihilist: so the cd boots but the menu selection stays on the first menu item. you can't move it and nothing you try to do with the keyboard makes any visual changes at all to the system? |
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| 17:13.16 | pronihilist | gnarface i can move it brfore i select install. once i hit return it freezes |
| 17:14.00 | gnarface | pronihilist: oh that's different. i cannot even move the cursor. i can't ctrl-alt-f[N] or ctrl-alt-delete. i can't even toggle the numlock status |
| 17:14.13 | un214 | alt-sysrq-k |
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| 17:14.36 | gnarface | what's that supposed to do? |
| 17:14.45 | un214 | kill all processes but init |
| 17:15.07 | gnarface | that would work if i can't even toggle numlock? |
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| 17:15.20 | gnarface | that would work if it's an IO lock? |
| 17:15.22 | un214 | depends on why no numlock |
| 17:15.26 | gnarface | hmm |
| 17:15.29 | gnarface | well its ON already |
| 17:15.31 | un214 | an X jam would be cleared |
| 17:15.47 | gnarface | is it running X at that point? |
| 17:15.52 | Nightmeister | good evening everyone |
| 17:15.53 | gnarface | before the installation is even started? |
| 17:16.01 | un214 | no |
| 17:16.12 | un214 | if it fails from the install cd this won't help |
| 17:16.18 | gnarface | aah |
| 17:16.30 | un214 | oh right install |
| 17:16.38 | un214 | its probably having trouble reading kernel |
| 17:16.42 | un214 | bad cd? |
| 17:16.53 | gnarface | nope, the problem doesn't happen on another machine |
| 17:17.01 | un214 | bad hardware |
| 17:17.13 | jhutchins_lt | You can mess with the USB Keyboard settings in the BIOS, that might help. |
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| 17:17.59 | un214 | or try PS2 keyboard |
| 17:18.22 | gnarface | and i can START to boot knoppix, though it halts on an error about "unknown video mode 317, continuing in current mode" but never continues. knppix's memtest starts correctly and doesn't spit errors though, so it doesn't appear to be ram. i'm suspecting actual video card issue or lack of support/bug with this video card. it was running etch and got upgraded to lenny just fine long ago |
| 17:18.28 | gnarface | (still boots actually) |
| 17:18.55 | pronihilist | ah hah. progress in expert mode install |
| 17:18.57 | gnarface | and it *is* a ps2 keyboard. i didn't try fiddling with the usb settings in the bios but i did go over all the bios settings several times |
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| 17:25.12 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Ah, ok, I've seen that "ignore keyboard in grub" symptom before with USBs. |
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| 17:27.15 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 17:30.03 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: Have you tried the current installer since the feb 5 release? |
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| 17:35.55 | bosyak | Easy question. How to setup permanent envinroment variable on lenny? |
| 17:36.00 | bosyak | please |
| 17:36.55 | KB1JWQ | linux |
| 17:37.02 | Nightmeister | can you be more specific |
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| 17:37.45 | bosyak | Nightmeister, I need setup MAVEN_HOME |
| 17:38.01 | bosyak | Nightmeister, and also add it to PATH |
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| 17:38.39 | Nightmeister | bashrc? |
| 17:38.46 | Nomadicus | tekzilla :) |
| 17:39.34 | bosyak | Nightmeister, I want setup it for whole system. /etc/profile? |
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| 17:40.51 | Nightmeister | bosyak: yep or ./bashrc(for user) If I understand you correctly |
| 17:41.11 | Nightmeister | ~/. |
| 17:41.33 | bosyak | Nightmeister, ok... I'll set it in /etc/profile |
| 17:41.44 | bosyak | more common |
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| 17:42.06 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: i downloaded it not 6 hours ago |
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| 17:42.22 | thewanderer1 | bosyak: you could also use this: http://www.infodrom.org/Debian/doc/maint/Maintenance-sysadmin.html section 5.4 |
| 17:42.46 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: from here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.0-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 17:42.54 | Nightmeister | bosyak : мог Ð±Ñ Ð¸ на меÑÑном ) |
| 17:43.13 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: is there a newer one? |
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| 17:43.35 | bosyak | Nightmeister, Ð½Ñ ÐºÑо-Ð±Ñ Ð·Ð½Ð°Ð»?! :) |
| 17:43.51 | bosyak | ÑÑо ÑÑÑÑкий канал ÑÑо-ли? |
| 17:44.08 | thewanderer1 | !ru |
| 17:44.08 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here. |
| 17:44.46 | thewanderer1 | (actually, why doesn't dpkg have UTF-8 in this factoid? :/ ) |
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| 17:45.24 | Nightmeister | <bosyak> : this is a joke) this is English Channel |
| 17:45.57 | bosyak | Nightmeister, fershtanden :) |
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| 17:47.26 | Pinchiukas | On a Gentoo box I have /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature. What do I need to get it in Debian? |
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| 17:50.47 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: modprobe thermal? |
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| 17:51.42 | Pinchiukas | jelly-home: nope. :) |
| 17:51.43 | jhutchins | gnarface: Ok, do you shouldn't have the Intel graphics bug. What chipset? |
| 17:52.13 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: same hardware? |
| 17:52.14 | gnarface | jhutchins: i815 |
| 17:52.38 | jhutchins | That was one of the problem children, but it's supposed to be fixed... |
| 17:52.39 | Pinchiukas | jelly-home: no. :) |
| 17:52.46 | jhutchins | How about upgrading? |
| 17:52.51 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: if it is, you can take a look there |
| 17:52.54 | jhutchins | BRB, jammed the scanner. |
| 17:53.15 | Pinchiukas | jelly-home: if it's the same hardware? |
| 17:53.41 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: a look at the currenly loaded modules, yes |
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| 17:55.32 | intok | ok, whats broken, every time I try to open properties gnome crashes |
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| 17:56.14 | Pinchiukas | jelly-home: how do I look at loaded modules if they're all built into the kernel? |
| 17:56.17 | rtra | jelly-home: yes, it's lesspipe on the LESSOPEN env var. thanks. |
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| 17:58.33 | janis | hi gys!! I am booting an NFS-rooted system and need to mount another secondary nfs mountpoint during boot. The mounting of the secondary NFS partitions is conducted by /etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs. However, since my eth0 is brought up by the kernel, I never icluded is in interfaces. How is the correct way to set this problem up? |
| 17:59.02 | janis | oh, btw, for some reason, mountnfs is not invoked by ifup -a during upping of the loopback |
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| 17:59.21 | rtra | who remembers which news reader Linus likes? |
| 17:59.41 | Pinchiukas | Who cares? |
| 17:59.54 | rtra | Pinchiukas: i'm trying to find a quote from him about it |
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| 18:00.11 | Pinchiukas | Oh... |
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| 18:01.11 | gnarface | jhutchins: of course i could upgrade, in fact i did, but this is a spare and you're missing the point that i want to turn all my computers on at once and make them ping flood each other |
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| 18:02.13 | gnarface | jhutchins: could it be bios related? i left the video memory setting at 1MB because the only other setting was 512KB... |
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| 18:02.23 | jhutchins | gnarface: I'm definitely not following the problem. |
| 18:03.04 | gnarface | jhutchins: install cd boots and then freezes at the boot prompt (can't even move the menu selection or ctrl-alt-delete - can't even start the install process by hitting enter) |
| 18:05.46 | janis | !nfs |
| 18:05.46 | dpkg | Network File System (NFS) is a distributed file system protocol developed by Sun Microsystems. To set up and secure, read the Linux NFS-HOWTO at http://nfs.sf.net/nfs-howto/ . For notes on NFSv4 in Debian, see /usr/share/doc/nfs-common/README.Debian.nfsv4. Mailing list: http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-nfs . http://wiki.debian.org/NFS http://nfs.sf.net/ #linux-nfs on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 18:13.49 | jhutchins | ,versions xsane |
| 18:13.50 | judd | Package xsane on i386 -- lenny: 0.996-1; squeeze: 0.997-2+b1; wheezy: 0.997-2+b1; sid: 0.998-1 |
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| 18:23.59 | dustnz | Hey all. In Ubuntu, I am using a USB UMTS/HSUPA stick to connect to the Internet. This seems to work out-of-the-box. Can I do this in Debian? I have a base Debian 6.0 installation here but not sure how I'm gonna get it on the Internet to install more packages.. |
| 18:25.27 | valdyn | dustnz: you need network-manager-gnome up and running to do this just like ubuntu |
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| 18:26.22 | dustnz | valdyn: Thanks |
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| 18:27.19 | dustnz | Would be cool if the installer supported these sticks, but probably isn't feasable |
| 18:27.21 | jhutchins | Yet another bug filed. I don't think any of my Debian bugs have closed yet, but I've only been using it a couple of years. |
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| 18:27.55 | valdyn | dustnz: yea well, it would be neat, but on the other hand you get everything you need from the first dvd i suppose |
| 18:28.00 | jhutchins | dustnz: I'm amazed that the installer supports wifi at all. |
| 18:28.08 | dustnz | jhutchins: Lol |
| 18:28.27 | dustnz | valdyn: I ordered the first CD not DVD :( |
| 18:28.38 | valdyn | dustnz: it could be on the first cd, i just dont know |
| 18:28.39 | dustnz | + I am in a rural location.. |
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| 18:28.55 | dustnz | valdyn: The first CD is only 400 MB |
| 18:29.05 | valdyn | dustnz: you *can* use the 3g stick just with the debian installer |
| 18:29.25 | dustnz | valdyn: How? |
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| 18:29.45 | gnarface | time for farscape reruns |
| 18:29.47 | gnarface | later people |
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| 18:29.49 | valdyn | dustnz: the difference to the setup with gnome / ubuntu / network manager is that you have to configure the numbers to dial manually instead of just selecting you mobile network operator from a list |
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| 18:30.26 | valdyn | dustnz: that 3g stick is *just* a serial modem with specific numbers you need to dial to access the internet |
| 18:30.46 | HanHeld | Hi -can you launch an X window program on a local machine from a console TTY? |
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| 18:31.11 | valdyn | dustnz: and all this has been done with pppd for a decade. |
| 18:31.23 | janis | HanHeld, just write DISPLAY=:0 program on the console, for *sh like shells |
| 18:31.47 | HanHeld | janis thanks :) |
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| 18:32.40 | janis | HanHeld, of course this presupposes that an X server is running and the local account you are running the command from has sufficient privileges :p |
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| 18:39.42 | Noor_eg | hello |
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| 18:44.31 | aLgEBrA-WK | hi |
| 18:45.35 | aLgEBrA-WK | i have prob with a debian squeeze server. grub stops with "GRUB_" ? |
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| 18:46.56 | valdyn | aLgEBrA-WK: how did you break it? |
| 18:47.03 | dariusss | is there any full-coverage documentation for preseeding and partitioning? there seems to be a lot of example pieces with minimal explanations and incomplete coverage of the options |
| 18:47.38 | aLgEBrA-WK | valdyn: dont know ;( its a remote machine i have reeinstalled it on 24.12.2010 with the latest update to new grub and after one reboot it fails |
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| 18:48.02 | aLgEBrA-WK | i have done update-grub2 and reinstall grub via recovery console |
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| 18:49.19 | aLgEBrA-WK | upgrade-from-legecy brings something like this: /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Embedding is not possible. GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists. However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged.. |
| 18:49.19 | aLgEBrA-WK | Installation finished. No error reported. |
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| 18:49.50 | aLgEBrA-WK | Generating grub.cfg ... |
| 18:49.50 | aLgEBrA-WK | Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 18:49.50 | aLgEBrA-WK | Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 18:49.50 | aLgEBrA-WK | Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 18:49.50 | aLgEBrA-WK | Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 18:50.08 | aLgEBrA-WK | yes |
| 18:50.16 | Noor_eg | hello does i need to install any software to use the dvd in debian or i could add new resources from websites ( sorry im new with debian and not such good in linx ) |
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| 18:51.21 | aLgEBrA-WK | this grub update sucks |
| 18:51.59 | valdyn | Noor_eg: what does this mean? "To use the dvd in debian" ? |
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| 18:52.34 | Noor_eg | hmm |
| 18:52.41 | Noor_eg | when i try to install any software |
| 18:52.48 | Noor_eg | i need to put the dvd |
| 18:53.04 | valdyn | Noor_eg: you have no network access? |
| 18:53.09 | Noor_eg | i have |
| 18:53.15 | Noor_eg | i have internet |
| 18:53.19 | Noor_eg | as u se |
| 18:53.22 | valdyn | !sources.list |
| 18:53.22 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 18:54.31 | valdyn | Noor_eg: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, comment out the dvd, insert a line like what dpkg said, "cdn" means coutry top level domain i guess |
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| 18:57.14 | Noor_eg | valdyn: http://codepad.org/X9gUm3DS |
| 18:57.17 | Noor_eg | thats what i found |
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| 18:58.01 | valdyn | Noor_eg: yes, so get rid of line 5 and insert what dpkg said instead |
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| 18:58.32 | Vesperto | How do i find out which compile options were used by a maintainer for a package (dvdauthor) if the package doesn't supply cli options to do so? |
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| 18:58.39 | Noor_eg | ty |
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| 18:59.06 | valdyn | Noor_eg: or actually, just get rid of line 5, youalready seem to have line 13 for the debian repo |
| 18:59.07 | aLgEBrA-WK | how can i verify that grub, the system, would boot something or do we have a tool to check the boot options |
| 18:59.35 | aLgEBrA-WK | fdisk -lu ? |
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| 19:00.01 | valdyn | aLgEBrA-WK: grub usually works fine, but sometimes it might install to the wrong disk |
| 19:00.05 | thewanderer1 | erm, GNOME in Squeeze tells me the battery level is critical when I unplug the power cord... just for a few ms though, then says 100% |
| 19:00.16 | valdyn | aLgEBrA-WK: dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc |
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| 19:01.22 | aLgEBrA-WK | valdyn, yes i try this |
| 19:02.12 | aLgEBrA-WK | and now i reinstall grub on every partition again |
| 19:02.25 | valdyn | aLgEBrA-WK: thats nonsense |
| 19:02.35 | valdyn | aLgEBrA-WK: certainly not on every partition |
| 19:03.01 | valdyn | aLgEBrA-WK: every *disk* maybe |
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| 19:03.26 | jelly-home | Pinchiukas: uh. Well, that's going to be an interesting issue, but irrelevant if the hardware doesn't match |
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| 19:04.00 | aLgEBrA-WK | valdyn: i need grub only in /boot - thats right ? |
| 19:04.18 | valdyn | aLgEBrA-WK: youre confused |
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| 19:04.34 | valdyn | aLgEBrA-WK: grubs files got installed there as soon as the package was installed |
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| 19:04.55 | valdyn | aLgEBrA-WK: but booting is done from the master boot record of the disk at first, not off any partition |
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| 19:06.45 | aLgEBrA-WK | the package reconfiguration asks me on which devices it should install grub |
| 19:06.50 | aLgEBrA-WK | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.50 | aLgEBrA-WK | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.50 | aLgEBrA-WK | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.58 | aLgEBrA-WK | i have tried everything |
| 19:07.01 | valdyn | aLgEBrA-WK: you pick sda |
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| 19:07.49 | valdyn | aLgEBrA-WK: the partitions listed only make sense when grub is not the primary boot manager of the machine |
| 19:07.56 | aLgEBrA-WK | /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Die MSDOS-Partitionsbezeichnung hat keinen Freiraum nach dem MBR, Einbettung würde unmöglich sein!. |
| 19:07.56 | aLgEBrA-WK | /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Embedding is not possible. GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists. However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged.. |
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| 19:08.29 | valdyn | aLgEBrA-WK: you dont have a choice, just do it and try booting |
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| 19:09.32 | aLgEBrA-WK | yo i try |
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| 19:12.12 | aLgEBrA-WK | yes sir it boots sir |
| 19:12.14 | aLgEBrA-WK | ;) |
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| 19:12.25 | valdyn | !win aLgEBrA-WK |
| 19:12.25 | dpkg | Congratulations, aLgEBrA-WK! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 19:12.40 | aLgEBrA-WK | serious |
| 19:13.02 | aLgEBrA-WK | i have rerun this n times |
| 19:13.03 | bocaneri | Does AOL even still exist? |
| 19:13.10 | valdyn | sure |
| 19:13.13 | faolchu-aonair | time warner |
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| 19:13.24 | valdyn | bocaneri: and they are earning money |
| 19:13.26 | Vesperto | Nermind, doesn't seem to have that amny options, working now. |
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| 19:14.16 | aLgEBrA-WK | thanks valdyn |
| 19:14.23 | matrix | how can I install seamonkey browser on squeeze |
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| 19:16.03 | valdyn | matrix: thats probably "iceape" |
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| 19:16.29 | mathbr | Hi. Not exactly related to Debian but does mounting PTP cameras via gvfs and its gphoto2 backend work for anyone? |
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| 19:17.29 | matrix | But, why not seamonkey |
| 19:17.38 | valdyn | !firefox |
| 19:17.38 | dpkg | Mozilla Firefox is replaced by Iceweasel in Debian. Ask me about <iceweasel> and <why iceweasel>. |
| 19:17.46 | valdyn | matrix: ^^ |
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| 19:19.30 | matrix | why not seamonkey really |
| 19:19.34 | resmo | hi |
| 19:19.42 | matrix | i have an old cpu thats why i want seamonkey |
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| 19:19.48 | valdyn | matrix: read what dpkg said, the same applies to seamonkey |
| 19:19.53 | resmo | can I "reset" an amended commit message? |
| 19:20.06 | resmo | commit message was changed |
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| 19:20.34 | matrix | why was irt replaced?? |
| 19:20.44 | matrix | can iget seamonkey for debian too? |
| 19:20.51 | matrix | i dont like iceweasek |
| 19:21.00 | valdyn | matrix: type in your irc client : "/msg dpkg why iceweasel" |
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| 19:21.35 | valdyn | matrix: why do you repeat questions that were answered already? |
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| 19:22.14 | thewanderer1 | matrix: you can install iceape, it's the same as seamonkey |
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| 19:23.18 | matrix | ok |
| 19:23.39 | matrix | when ever i try to get into a folder of a partition i mounted it says |
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| 19:23.41 | acx0 | when enabling/disabling items in the rc2.d folder, how do you chose the number to put after K or S? |
| 19:23.43 | mikmu | Hey there, I'm installing squeeze via pxe netboot |
| 19:23.54 | valdyn | acx0: in squeeze? |
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| 19:24.00 | acx0 | valdyn, testing |
| 19:24.05 | matrix | permission denied |
| 19:24.09 | mikmu | I've booted into the installer and everything is going great (after supplying the non-free modules for my nic) |
| 19:24.19 | matrix | its my music folder |
| 19:24.22 | mikmu | But, I am wondering how to insure only a minimal installation |
| 19:24.23 | valdyn | acx0: dont do this, squeeze uses autogenerated rc.X links |
| 19:24.27 | mikmu | no X, just console |
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| 19:24.45 | aLgEBrA-WK | matrix: try to set options when mount with -o uid=1000,gid=100 |
| 19:25.09 | acx0 | valdyn, i'm using wheezy - so how would I go about disabling startup items? (i wanted to disable gdm from running at startup) |
| 19:25.15 | matrix | ok |
| 19:25.18 | matrix | ill try it |
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| 19:25.27 | valdyn | acx0: i dont really know the recommended way |
| 19:25.41 | valdyn | acx0: moving away the init script in /etc/init.d does work however |
| 19:25.43 | matrix | how should i mount sda2 then? |
| 19:25.48 | matrix | can you give me an example? |
| 19:25.51 | thewanderer1 | acx0: update-rc.d |
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| 19:26.02 | aLgEBrA-WK | mount -t auto /dev/sda2 /mnt -o uid=1000,gid=100 |
| 19:26.05 | acx0 | well the README file in the rcX.d folders says to append the service name with K to disable, and S to re-enable |
| 19:26.06 | aLgEBrA-WK | hope this is correct |
| 19:26.08 | valdyn | thewanderer1: thats useless when links are autogenerated? |
| 19:26.30 | valdyn | acx0: thats correct, till you use autogenerated dependencies |
| 19:27.04 | thewanderer1 | valdyn: er no, that's the tool... unless you really use some systemd or sth |
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| 19:27.59 | valdyn | thewanderer1: im talking about insserv |
| 19:28.00 | acx0 | after I renamed the gdm3 file from S20gdm3 to K70gdm3, I ran update-rc.d gdm3 defaults and it seemed to work; as in gdm doesn't run on startup anymore |
| 19:28.13 | aLgEBrA-WK | this day with this unbootable server stressed me so much i think i will go out and shoot myself |
| 19:28.27 | acx0 | valdyn, i got a warning from insserv when i ran that command |
| 19:28.48 | valdyn | acx0: so check if insserv destroyed your customisation |
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| 19:29.38 | acx0 | valdyn, it renamed "Kgdm70" to "Kgdm01" and it just told me "warning, overwriting defaults in init 2 3 4 5" or something like that |
| 19:30.02 | acx0 | well I made a backup of the folder so i can restore it, but then what is the recommended way to manager startup items? |
| 19:30.16 | valdyn | acx0: i wonder that too |
| 19:30.21 | babilen | mikmu: You basically don't want the expert install and no tasks (not the "Desktop" task in particular). |
| 19:30.26 | valdyn | acx0: another way would be to edit the header in the init script |
| 19:30.35 | babilen | mikmu: err, s/don't want/want :) |
| 19:30.46 | thewanderer1 | acx0: as I said, update-rc.d - you're supposed to see warnings |
| 19:30.51 | jhutchins_lt | chkconfig, rcconf, |
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| 19:31.24 | mikmu | babilen: Ahh, I had chosen one task last time, ssh server, and it was installing all sorts of gnome crap |
| 19:31.44 | acx0 | jhutchins_lt, is rcconf supposed to come with the system? |
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| 19:31.56 | mikmu | babilen: I'll try again with no tasks, wouldn't figure ssh server would have added a desktop environment |
| 19:32.04 | jhutchins_lt | acx0: I think so. |
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| 19:33.39 | babilen | mikmu: I'd have to look at the contents of the tasks to tell you why that happens. I typically just perferm a minimal install and install needed packages later on. |
| 19:33.40 | thewanderer1 | acx0: rcconf only uses update-rc.d under the hood, just saying |
| 19:34.14 | acx0 | thewanderer1, that's why i was asking if rcconf comes default, i think I remember installing that myself |
| 19:34.15 | valdyn | acx0: ok, i think /etc/insserv/overrides is the best way, but thats just me |
| 19:34.35 | acx0 | should i run any command after restoring the backup rc2.d folder? |
| 19:34.54 | babilen | mikmu: The "ssh-server" task just install "openssh-server" which shouldn't pull in any gnome dependencies. |
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| 19:35.34 | valdyn | acx0: nothing needed, but insserv could probably show something if you made a mistake |
| 19:36.38 | mikmu | babilen: I'll try again with no tasks selected |
| 19:36.59 | mikmu | just in case I might have chosen something else without noticing |
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| 19:37.59 | kaluva | Hi there. Anyone used typo3-dummy in squeeze? What's the default username and password for the backend? |
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| 19:38.49 | jhutchins_lt | kaluva: /usr/share/doc/ |
| 19:38.52 | anoob | I'm trying to build my video driver but now I get "error: mibank.h: No such file or directory" errr |
| 19:39.28 | babilen | mikmu: I would install the "standard" task (or something like that) though .. but it is entirely up to you and you can add everyhting later |
| 19:39.58 | babilen | anoob: Which video driver? How are you trying to build it? Could you paste the complete output to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 19:40.05 | kaluva | jhutchins_lt: Is terribly out of date, mentions only a password for an install tool that I'm not accessing and said password doesn't work anyway, I tried. |
| 19:40.08 | mikmu | Yeah, this machine is just going to be a basic DNS server, so I don't need much on there, SSH and bind |
| 19:40.28 | jhutchins_lt | kaluva: Gods I hate it when they do that. |
| 19:40.45 | jhutchins_lt | kaluva: ltsp is pretty bad too, none of the documentation matches, nor does it match any current packages. |
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| 19:41.05 | kaluva | jhutchins_lt: Yeah... |
| 19:41.27 | kaluva | jhutchins_lt: So did you use that package, or was that just a standard fire and forget answer? |
| 19:41.29 | anoob | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/108218/ |
| 19:41.51 | jhutchins_lt | f&f |
| 19:41.51 | anoob | babilen, this one: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=546741#45 |
| 19:42.26 | jhutchins_lt | kaluva: Find the maintainer and give 'em hell. |
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| 19:43.05 | babilen | ,file mibank.h |
| 19:43.09 | judd | mibank.h in squeeze/i386: xserver-xorg-dev: usr/include/xorg/mibank.h |
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| 19:43.42 | kaluva | jhutchins_lt: Yeah, I'll do that. Here I was hoping I could just install and use it over the weekend to take a quick look |
| 19:44.06 | babilen | anoob: You want to install "xserver-xorg-dev" (and probably other packages) -- "aptitude build-dep xserver-xorg-video-sis" might be a good idea |
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| 19:44.37 | babilen | anoob: I would start with xserver-xorg-dev and take it from there though. Do you recompile the Debian package? |
| 19:44.46 | anoob | babilen, xserver-xorg-video-sis doesn't work with this video card |
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| 19:45.44 | babilen | anoob: Yes, which is why you compile something to make it work. Sorry, I haven't read the complete bug report, but you want to install "xserver-xorg-dev" for mibank.h (and other needed ones i guess) |
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| 19:46.11 | anoob | i did it... but the error still appears babilen... |
| 19:46.31 | anoob | babilen, "ii xserver-xorg-dev 2:1.9.4-2" |
| 19:47.17 | babilen | anoob: You could have mentioned that you are using sid |
| 19:47.49 | anoob | sorry, yes I am babilen |
| 19:48.15 | babilen | anoob: I can't find mibank.h in any Debian package in sid. You probably want a xf86-video-sis-0.10.2 for Xorg 1.9.4 |
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| 19:49.44 | babilen | anoob: 0.10.3 might be compatible with Xorg 1.9.4 -- You might want to ask #xorg about that. |
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| 19:50.36 | babilen | anoob: Or try the current development version in http://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/xorg/driver/xf86-video-sis.git |
| 19:50.57 | babilen | anoob: But talk to upstream first. |
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| 19:51.51 | babilen | anoob: You tried the current version in sid (i.e. 1:0.10.3-3) ? |
| 19:52.20 | babilen | pokes anoob |
| 19:52.48 | anoob | sorry babilen, but are you talking about which package |
| 19:52.48 | paq | Hi, I just install icedove, but it seem mutt is still me default client, cause when I go to a web page, that has a MAILTO form, it opens mutt. How do I change it so ICEdove is default. When I just installed icedove and it asked to become default client I said 'yes', but still, mutt comes up, in this online MAILTO form case. I can't think of any other test to see if it is default. Plus its the form I wanna test, cause in mutt, the info I type |
| 19:52.48 | paq | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.49 | anoob | ? |
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| 19:53.26 | babilen | anoob: I am talking about xserver-xorg-video-sis 1:0.10.3-3 (current version in sid) |
| 19:54.27 | anoob | sorry... yes, i have tried it before babilen |
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| 19:54.49 | anoob | does my xorg must have sis as driver? |
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| 19:57.06 | colbys | hello wrong room, but does anyone know how to get invited to #freebsd or #bsd, or a room that is open dedicated to bsd |
| 19:57.09 | babilen | anoob: See, I am not the developer of that driver and I have no idea what card and problems you have. I concluded that you want to compile xf86-video-sis.git |
| 19:57.11 | MrFrood | paq: I think uou need to look at the debian alternatives thingy |
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| 19:57.48 | paq | MrFrood, oh, well, I found a setting in xfce, and changed it their too. Now mutt doesn't start up. But ICEdove doesn't seem to work either |
| 19:58.01 | EZmoney | The SIS drivers/kernel modules remain untested (2008-07-03: SIS support discontinued due to lack of interest). |
| 19:58.09 | babilen | anoob: In version 0.10.2 and asked if you tried the 0.10.3 version which is the current version in sid. The version you tried to compile is obviously not compatible with the Xorg version you have installed. |
| 19:58.27 | paq | MrFrood, but then its busy indexing right now, so maybe after that is done it will work |
| 19:58.37 | anoob | babilen: "[17:56] <alanc> mibank support was removed from 1.9 & later" |
| 19:58.48 | thewanderer1 | colbys: are you registered? |
| 19:58.54 | MrFrood | paq: if you prefer a gui the galternatives package provides a gui to the debian alternatives syatem |
| 19:59.06 | project2501a | hi is this #debian? |
| 19:59.14 | MrFrood | project2501a: yes |
| 19:59.27 | project2501a | what cyberpunk anime do you recommend? |
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| 19:59.47 | babilen | anoob: I would ask upstream about the best way to deal with it. http://www.linuxconsulting.ro/xorg-drivers/ might also be worth a look. But I would recommend to discuss this in #xorg |
| 19:59.52 | MrFrood | project2501a: try #debian-offtopic |
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| 20:00.04 | project2501a | i have |
| 20:00.12 | babilen | anoob: yes, mibank support was removed from your Xorg version. |
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| 20:00.22 | project2501a | but thanks for accommodating my sillyness :) |
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| 20:03.23 | jonas_ | hey, who runs debian I386 ? can someone upload a /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 from a debian i386 real quick? |
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| 20:03.47 | by73r0bb3r | 64 here :-p |
| 20:03.49 | jonas_ | can be a libstdc++.so.6.*.* or a libstdc++.so.5.*.* too , i dont care , will just rename it |
| 20:04.13 | Coweater | just grab the package and extract it yourself |
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| 20:04.32 | jonas_ | how? :D |
| 20:05.00 | by73r0bb3r | alien ;-) |
| 20:05.03 | by73r0bb3r | bwahaa |
| 20:05.06 | Coweater | ar then tar on the resultsing tarball |
| 20:05.59 | jonas_ | yes |
| 20:06.05 | jonas_ | but i dont know which package it is |
| 20:06.05 | babilen | jonas_: What are you trying to do? |
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| 20:06.43 | jonas_ | babilen: run a HP raid controller tool that is only available i386 -.- |
| 20:06.59 | jelly-home | jonas_: hpacucli? |
| 20:07.10 | jonas_ | yes ;) |
| 20:07.20 | jelly-home | jonas_: you can download it as a .deb file from HP |
| 20:07.29 | jonas_ | no |
| 20:07.31 | babilen | ,file libstdc++.so |
| 20:07.36 | judd | libstdc++.so in squeeze/i386: libstdc++6-4.4-dbg: usr/lib/debug/libstdc++.so; lsb-build-base3: usr/lib/lsb3/libstdc++.so; lib64stdc++6-4.3-dbg: usr/lib64/debug/libstdc++.so; libstdc++6-4.3-dbg: usr/lib/debug/libstdc++.so; lib64stdc++6-4.4-dbg: usr/lib64/debug/libstdc++.so; libstdc++6-4.3-dev: usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.3/libstdc++.so; libstdc++6-4.4-dev: usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux- |
| 20:07.38 | judd | gnu/4.4/libstdc++.so; g++-4.4-multilib: usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.4/64/libstdc++.so; g++-4.3-multilib: usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.3/64/libstdc++.so |
| 20:08.01 | jelly-home | jonas_: no, you're not able to this moment, or no, you couldn't find it, or...? |
| 20:08.06 | jelly-home | !proliant |
| 20:08.06 | dpkg | HP ProLiant utilities for Lenny i386/amd64 systems are available from ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softlib2/software1/pubsw-linux/p1538177301/v45350/ . See also <bnx2>, <nc375i>, <netxen>. http://wiki.debian.org/HP/ProLiant http://hp.com/go/debian |
| 20:08.12 | babilen | jonas_: Why don't you just install the debian package for that library? |
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| 20:08.45 | jonas_ | babilen:because i run debian64 |
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| 20:09.54 | babilen | jonas_: libstdc++ is available for amd64 as well |
| 20:10.29 | babilen | ,versions libstdc++6-4.3-dev --arch amd64 |
| 20:10.31 | judd | Package libstdc++6-4.3-dev on amd64 -- lenny: 4.3.2-1.1; lenny-backports: 4.3.4-6~bpo50+1; sid: 4.3.5-4; squeeze: 4.3.5-4; wheezy: 4.3.5-4 |
| 20:10.32 | jonas_ | babilen: but the tool i need to run needs libstdc++ for i386 , got it? |
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| 20:11.36 | babilen | jonas_: Grab the i386 package and unpack it (dpkg -x) then (make sure you do this in an empty directory) -- http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libstdc++6-4.3-dev |
| 20:11.44 | aguitel | are all the mirrors slow in debian ? |
| 20:11.52 | jonas_ | opt/compaq/hpacucli/bld/.hpacucli: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 |
| 20:12.08 | jonas_ | aguitel: no;) |
| 20:12.11 | babilen | jonas_: But I would try to follow the way jelly-home proposed. I know nothing about that tool, just wanted to help with the lib. |
| 20:12.27 | jonas_ | babilen: yes thanks |
| 20:12.37 | blueyed | Isn't it possible to apt-pin a package from a dist ("unstable")? See http://pastebin.com/YXPv0zXH for the output of "apt-cache policy linux-base" and the preferences config file. |
| 20:12.48 | jelly-home | jonas_: install these: Depends: lib32gcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), lib32stdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libc6-i386 (>= 2.7-1) |
| 20:13.23 | jelly-home | that's from the hpacucli_*_amd64.deb that you don't care to download |
| 20:13.30 | babilen | aguitel: No, only the ones you use. -- You can use "netselect-apt" or "apt-spy" to find a fast mirror -- Have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror and http://www.debian.org/mirror/list as well |
| 20:13.47 | aguitel | babilen, ok |
| 20:14.12 | babilen | jonas_: Can't you get a amd64 version of that tool or compile it yourself? A 32bit chroot might also be worth a try. |
| 20:14.38 | babilen | jonas_: But note the "HP ProLiant utilities for Lenny i386/amd64 systems are available from ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softlib2/software1/pubsw-linux/p1538177301/v45350/ " |
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| 20:15.29 | jonas_ | thank you guys looks like its running |
| 20:15.37 | jelly-home | babilen: no need for chroot. |
| 20:16.14 | jonas_ | jelly-home: you know more about the HP smart array controllers? |
| 20:16.27 | jelly-home | HP has bothered to set up half-decent packages for both i386 and amd64, just need to install the correct ones |
| 20:16.35 | jelly-home | jonas_: yes. |
| 20:16.38 | babilen | jelly-home: As the tool is available as amd64 version as seen by the link/dpkg factoid? |
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| 20:17.10 | jelly-home | babilen: yes, that's where I got the Depends line from, an amd64 package installed on an amd64 system |
| 20:17.51 | jelly-home | http://pastebin.com/NdqVgRHp |
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| 20:18.20 | jelly-home | that ftp link may be outdated tho |
| 20:18.39 | jelly-home | it contains iso with packages from 2008 |
| 20:18.54 | jonas_ | jelly-home: i got new servers preinstalled debian64 controller p410 driver /dev/cciss/c0d0 = 2x 80 GB SAS c0d1 = 10x2TB SATA |
| 20:19.38 | jonas_ | jelly-home: and i need to have just bare drives /dev/sda to /dev/sdl |
| 20:20.05 | jonas_ | jelly-home: but there isnt a vKVM to go into the controller`s bios |
| 20:20.22 | jelly-home | jonas_: get yourself a vKVM |
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| 20:21.37 | jonas_ | jelly-home: ok now i look in hpacucli if i can do it there , otherwise i have to do that, what is a name of one ? |
| 20:21.49 | jelly-home | why do you need access to bare drives? |
| 20:22.29 | jonas_ | jelly-home: hadoop |
| 20:22.45 | wolfric | is there a guide to getting x11 working manually (without selecting the desktop enviroment on install). I basically just want to run one program that requires x11 (xrdp or some other rdp viewer). |
| 20:22.52 | jelly-home | jonas_: even for the system disks? |
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| 20:23.37 | jonas_ | jelly-home: they matter less, i want to use all 20TB and speed of 12 disks for hadoop |
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| 20:24.11 | jonas_ | jelly-home: if but i get the 10disks free iam happy already |
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| 20:24.54 | jelly-home | you're going to introduce PCI bottlenecks that you don't get with a configured array |
| 20:25.14 | jelly-home | but it's your funeral -- hpacucli has online help |
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| 20:25.34 | Agiofws | hello |
| 20:25.39 | Agiofws | if i want to suspend my laptop to ram does the swap partition need to be larger than my RAM ? |
| 20:26.19 | faolchu-aonair | at least the same size as |
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| 20:26.24 | jelly-home | jonas_: try "ctrl all show detail" and "ctrl all show detail config", and "help delete", and "help" |
| 20:26.48 | faolchu-aonair | 1½X ram size is better imo |
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| 20:26.59 | jelly-home | jonas_: you'll basically create 10 separate raid0 arrays each with 1 disks |
| 20:27.01 | cahoot | for s2ram? |
| 20:27.19 | jelly-home | Agiofws: suspend to ram doesn't use swap. |
| 20:27.28 | jelly-home | it's suspending ... to RAM |
| 20:27.35 | jelly-home | (tada!) |
| 20:27.43 | aguitel | gnome-sesion is less stuff than gnome-core ? |
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| 20:30.30 | jonas_ | jelly-home: online help? i run hpacucli in ssh console, cant it just redirect 10 drives without raid0 ? how will it be slower too have 10x 120MB/s limited by the pci only compared to the raid? or would another controller be better for baredrives? |
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| 20:31.33 | Agiofws | jelly, is there a debian tutorial for suspend to ram ? |
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| 20:32.05 | jelly-home | Agiofws: uh, I just press the sleep button and xfce brings up a menu? |
| 20:32.20 | Agiofws | and does it work ? |
| 20:32.21 | jelly-home | jonas_: that is how it's done |
| 20:32.25 | jelly-home | Agiofws: yes. |
| 20:32.48 | Agiofws | ok how is it done manually ? |
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| 20:33.04 | themill | Agiofws: pm-<tab><tab> |
| 20:33.05 | aguitel | babilen, gnome-sesion is less stuff than gnome-core ? |
| 20:33.08 | jelly-home | I'll pretend not to know. |
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| 20:34.08 | Agiofws | i ahve this lapi for about 2 or 3 years and suspend has never worked so i think its time it did if i want to increase its life time |
| 20:34.11 | jelly-home | jonas_: as for the speed, benchmark it yourself; I can't know what your app does |
| 20:34.26 | jonas_ | jelly-home: but disableing with vKVM would result in bare drives? |
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| 20:34.45 | jelly-home | jonas_: no, there's no such thing as "bare drive" with cciss |
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| 20:35.42 | jelly-home | (that I know about) |
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| 20:36.12 | jelly-home | jonas_: if you don't assign drives to arrays, they're not seen by the OS |
| 20:36.56 | jonas_ | jelly-home: yes, i just wonder if the controller can possibly switch of raid and be a simple SATA controller |
| 20:37.04 | Agiofws | xus:/home/agiofws# pm- |
| 20:37.08 | Agiofws | pm-hibernate pm-is-supported pm-powersave pm-suspend pm-suspend-hybrid |
| 20:37.08 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.16 | jonas_ | *off |
| 20:37.16 | Agiofws | just that command ? |
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| 20:38.29 | Zopieux | hi |
| 20:38.48 | Zopieux | I need to install python2.7 on my debian machine |
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| 20:39.11 | jelly-home | jonas_: I wouldn't bet on it. |
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| 20:40.05 | jelly-home | jonas_: it's a decent onboard scsi raid controller, I wasn't even aware it could drive sas and sata at the same time. |
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| 20:47.31 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 20:48.07 | johnfg | I've got all at present that I need on squeeze with just adding contrib and non-free to the sources.list as is. |
| 20:48.23 | johnfg | Are there any other recommended repos for squeeze? |
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| 20:49.21 | rudi_s | !tell johnfg about security |
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| 20:49.42 | rudi_s | !tell johnfg about squeeze-updates |
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| 20:52.01 | magyar | hi guys, can a md softraid be used for LVM? |
| 20:52.14 | jonas_ | jelly-home: well i cant tell if its sas, they said so /dev/cciss/c0d0 200.81 MB/sec c0d1/380.84 MB/sec |
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| 20:53.20 | jonas_ | magyar: what do you mean? |
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| 20:53.58 | jonas_ | magyar: they dont exclude each other but you probably only need one? |
| 20:54.21 | magyar | jonas_: create an softraid md device and that create a lvm volume on that raid1 |
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| 20:57.23 | johnfg | Sorry, I disconnected myself with a reboot while on a tty. |
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| 21:00.05 | cafuego_ | UPDATE content_type_nodetype SET cck_field_name_value='' WHERE nid IN (SEELCT nid FROM node WHERE type='thenodetype'); |
| 21:00.11 | cafuego_ | grr |
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| 21:03.10 | valdyn | magyar: that works |
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| 21:09.49 | magyar | valdyn: tested and true? :) |
| 21:10.10 | magyar | btw, hi valdyn |
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| 21:12.46 | valdyn | magyar: yes, for years |
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| 21:15.06 | magyar | valdyn: thanks |
| 21:15.12 | magyar | good talk as always |
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| 21:16.44 | kblessinggr | having a hell of a time trying to remove the suhosin patch from the installed PHP version |
| 21:18.30 | s3phir0th115 | Why remove it? |
| 21:18.51 | MrFrood | johnfg: in relation to your previouse question you may want to checkout http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 21:19.50 | kblessinggr | s3phir0th115 socialengine requires it removed |
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| 21:20.16 | s3phir0th115 | Ahh. I didn't know it caused any problems with anything. I thought it just prevented bad code from causing more problems |
| 21:20.38 | kblessinggr | which is odd cuz its not listed in their requirement http://www.socialengine.net/features/requirements |
| 21:20.52 | kblessinggr | (who knows maybe social engine is bad code lol) |
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| 21:24.25 | Agiofws | Hey |
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| 21:25.06 | Agiofws | can anyone tell me why i can't install google-chrome for googles site as a deb ... |
| 21:25.10 | Agiofws | http://codepad.org/g4Ry1N6f |
| 21:25.18 | Agiofws | ^^ thats the message i have |
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| 21:26.22 | MrFrood | Agiofws: how are you trying to install it? |
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| 21:26.34 | Agiofws | dpkg -i google-chrome-beta_current_i386.deb |
| 21:26.34 | dpkg | removes a liver from agiofws and replaces it with google-chrome-beta_current_i386.deb |
| 21:26.51 | Agiofws | google-chrome-beta_current_i386.deb |
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| 21:29.05 | Guest29168 | isthere a way in debian to auto switch the hosts file based on which network is in use? |
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| 21:29.54 | MrFrood | Agiofws: looks like you already have a version of google-chrome installed which is causing a conflict |
| 21:29.57 | Agiofws | 11.0.672.2 dev |
| 21:30.25 | Agiofws | 10.0.648.82 beta |
| 21:30.29 | Agiofws | Ha |
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| 21:30.39 | Agiofws | older version ? |
| 21:31.54 | MrFrood | Agiofws: use apt or aptitude to remove the old version and try again |
| 21:32.14 | thewanderer1 | guys, in Mumble I can hear the other person in the channel speaking, but they don't hear me |
| 21:32.23 | thewanderer1 | Echo via Server works as intended |
| 21:32.44 | thewanderer1 | voice (SNR) activation works at both sides |
| 21:32.48 | Agiofws | Err http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable/main google-chrome-beta i386 8.0.552.200-r65749 |
| 21:32.54 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.54 | Agiofws | ? |
| 21:33.06 | thewanderer1 | everyone is connecting via TCP (although I don't know why, but who cares) |
| 21:33.14 | Agiofws | Failed to fetch http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/pool/main/g/google-chrome-beta/google-chrome-beta_8.0.552.200-r65749_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 74.125.79.93 80] |
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| 21:34.15 | Agiofws | ? |
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| 21:35.49 | Agiofws | deb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable non-free main |
| 21:36.02 | MrFrood | Agiofws: 'aptitude purge google-chrome' and use dpkg to install the beta |
| 21:36.03 | Agiofws | should that be squeeze instead of stable ? |
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| 21:36.29 | Agiofws | Failed to fetch http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/pool/main/g/google-chrome-beta/google-chrome-beta_8.0.552.200-r65749_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 74.125.79.93 80] |
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| 21:37.04 | Agiofws | W: Failed to fetch http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/dists/squeeze/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 74.125.79.93 80] |
| 21:37.17 | Agiofws | why is it doing that all of the sudden |
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| 21:37.59 | MrFrood | Agiofws: would it not just be easier to use chromium from the offical debian repros? |
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| 21:38.26 | Agiofws | thats what i am trying to do |
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| 21:39.09 | MrFrood | um no, you are trying to install chrome from googles repros |
| 21:39.10 | Nightmeister | Agiofws : may be need public key? |
| 21:39.36 | Agiofws | ok whats debain repo ? |
| 21:39.46 | Agiofws | for chrome ? |
| 21:39.55 | Nightmeister | no no, i was wrong ) |
| 21:39.56 | Agiofws | no |
| 21:40.03 | Nightmeister | about key ) |
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| 21:40.05 | Agiofws | After this operation, 97.6 MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 21:40.09 | Agiofws | Err http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable/main google-chrome-beta i386 8.0.552.200-r65749 |
| 21:40.14 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.15 | Agiofws | sorry but i have no browser ftb |
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| 21:40.47 | thebishop | I'm following this guide to get my synaptic clickpad working. It works pretty well, but xorg doesn't seem to respect my minSpeed/maxSpeed settings: http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad#Incaseyoudon.27thaveanxorg.conf |
| 21:40.57 | Agiofws | clickpad ? |
| 21:41.09 | MrFrood | Agiofws: 'aptitude install chromium-browser' |
| 21:41.11 | thebishop | Agiofws, yeah, similar to what's on a Macbook. but mine is an Envy 14 |
| 21:41.15 | thebishop | by HP |
| 21:41.28 | Agiofws | just did that |
| 21:41.45 | Agiofws | maybe debians chromium plays chess.com right |
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| 21:43.30 | MrFrood | ? |
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| 21:43.36 | ZenWalker | hi all |
| 21:43.47 | MrFrood | !ask |
| 21:43.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:43.57 | ZenWalker | when libreoffice go to testing? (thanks) |
| 21:44.16 | Nightmeister | Agiofws : Ver. 6.0 in debian repos, or you need higher version? |
| 21:44.42 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell ZenWalker about why is libreoffice not in testing |
| 21:44.45 | Agiofws | i need a chrome browser that displays this page right |
| 21:45.15 | Agiofws | http://www.chess.com/play/computer.html |
| 21:45.15 | MrFrood | why chrome? |
| 21:45.21 | Nightmeister | Where it shows the wrong? |
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| 21:45.42 | Nightmeister | java need ) |
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| 21:46.31 | Agiofws | java works its just that page |
| 21:46.42 | jelly-home | Agiofws: deb http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main seems to have a 10.x version in the i386 repo |
| 21:47.14 | onoez_omg | hello, i met a little (i believe) problem during attempt to load some module |
| 21:47.15 | onoez_omg | FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.32.26/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 21:47.40 | jelly-home | onoez_omg: it seems you're using a nondefault kernel |
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| 21:48.17 | pmo | hello.. i installed a raid0, ran same command on linear and raid0 system.. but database improved slightly only by 17% margin !... is it normal, or should i expect more improvment ? |
| 21:48.18 | onoez_omg | jelly-home, is there any way to check this out? |
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| 21:49.08 | onoez_omg | jand yeah, i guess it may be non-default because its uhm.. vds box |
| 21:49.16 | jelly-home | onoez_omg: dpkg -S /lib/modules/$(uname -r) will show whether it's packaged at all; apt-cache policy linux-image-$(uname -r) will show which repo it is from, if any |
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| 21:49.38 | jelly-home | onoez_omg: contact your provider, if they're the one that gave you that kernel |
| 21:49.55 | onoez_omg | jelly-home, i will do that, thank u :3 |
| 21:49.56 | thewanderer1 | pmo: normal. database != I/O |
| 21:50.29 | Agiofws | do aliens really exist have they already visited earth ? are governments lying to us of their existence ? |
| 21:50.48 | jelly-home | well, database = I/O, just a particular type of I/O patterns |
| 21:51.23 | jelly-home | pmo: in general, the more spindles you give it, the better random io performance |
| 21:51.28 | Agiofws | the strange thing is that firefox displays the page ok |
| 21:51.35 | Agiofws | but chrome does not |
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| 21:52.52 | onoez_omg | and one more thing... is there any nice tutorial on gardening apache wisely to make the whole stuff around web-server more stable\secure\e.t.c. ? |
| 21:53.04 | pmo | jelly-home, thewanderer1 i see :-/ i expected more then only 17 improvment :( |
| 21:53.10 | onoez_omg | thx and sry for my english ) |
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| 21:53.34 | karlpinc | onoez_omg: There's always readme.debian.... |
| 21:53.41 | karlpinc | !tell onoez_omg about readme.debian |
| 21:54.00 | onoez_omg | karlpinc, i've read this one -_- but thank u anyway |
| 21:54.17 | jelly-home | pmo: if you shut down the db and do a sequential read or sequential write benchmark, you might find more than 17% improvement |
| 21:54.43 | onoez_omg | but maybe some other things that may form right way of thinking |
| 21:55.10 | pmo | jelly-home, i do with 'dd'.. from 66-70 to 216 with only 2 disks |
| 21:55.22 | itaylor57 | Agiofws: its how the page is encoded |
| 21:55.47 | Agiofws | what do you mean |
| 21:55.57 | Agiofws | the java applet does not work in chrome |
| 21:56.17 | itaylor57 | Agiofws: The web page does not handle chromium or chome as a browser |
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| 21:57.00 | jelly-home | pmo: so there's your improvement. Your app, however, does something different than dd. |
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| 21:58.32 | pmo | jelly-home, i should mention, when it comes to "read".. 1GB from disk with dd .. i have 4.3G/s i guess system noticed there was something in the file i created |
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| 21:59.27 | jelly-home | pmo: possibly a cache effect. I hope you have working backups; raid0 makes the data more susceptible to drive damage. |
| 22:01.07 | pmo | jelly-home i do have backups.. i use only 2 partitions of 2 disks.. but this 'little improvment' by 17%, puzzle me, i must admit.. the database i use is postgresql.. |
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| 22:05.32 | pmo | jelly-home, i should mention i have WD15EARS disk.. with 4096 sectors |
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| 22:06.21 | babilen | pmo: properly aligned? |
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| 22:06.58 | pmo | babilen, i guess it is.; otherwise.. i wouldn't have 216MB/s on write |
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| 22:07.50 | soulslayer | hello guys |
| 22:08.11 | soulslayer | does anybody here have install lm-sesnors correct on dell xps 501x with core i7Q |
| 22:08.11 | soulslayer | ? |
| 22:08.47 | aguitel | gnome-sesion is less stuff than gnome-core ? |
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| 22:09.15 | babilen | pmo: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-4kb-sector-disks/ |
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| 22:12.08 | valdyn | aguitel: why dont you read the package descriptions? |
| 22:12.30 | jhutchins_lt | aguitel: gnome-session is the new gnome. |
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| 22:14.21 | treebeen | anyone has an idea what could be causing slow startup of a daemon? what should I look for? |
| 22:14.35 | babilen | aguitel: it is -- https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/12/msg00450.html |
| 22:14.36 | jelly-home | pmo: don't guess, verify |
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| 22:14.57 | b_jonas | treebeen: depends on what daemon |
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| 22:15.02 | iankp | How do I change the grub wait time in Debian 6? /boot/grub/menu.lst doesn't seem to be there anymore. |
| 22:15.19 | Agiofws | where would it be ? |
| 22:15.31 | apollo13 | iankp: /etc/default/grub if it's grub2 |
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| 22:15.44 | jelly-home | pmo: one sata spindle won't have 216MB/s by itself -- you said that was the result two in raid0 |
| 22:15.45 | Agiofws | why new for grub2 ? |
| 22:15.58 | apollo13 | Agiofws: why not, grub2 changed a lot |
| 22:16.04 | pmo | jelly-home yes.. |
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| 22:16.13 | treebeen | b_jonas: actually it's the ruby on rails webserver "webrick", I'm doing an exercise and it says that it's not something related to ruby/rails, I should use "common admin tools" to solve it... |
| 22:16.19 | iankp | apollo13: "GRUB_TIMEOUT" Is that it? |
| 22:16.24 | babilen | iankp: yes |
| 22:16.27 | pmo | but also of a count=1000 and bs=1M |
| 22:16.45 | iankp | bablilen and apollo13: thanks! |
| 22:16.46 | apollo13 | I can top those 216MB/s :þ |
| 22:16.49 | jelly-home | iankp: grub2 has /boot/grub/grub.cfg which is generated by update-grub command using data, among other places, from /etc/default/grub |
| 22:16.52 | treebeen | b_jonas: actually memory is good, CPU also fine, so... I'm a bit at a loss |
| 22:16.56 | jhutchins_lt | treebeen: One common problem is failure to resolve hostname from DNS. |
| 22:16.59 | EZmoney | soulslayer: what desktop? I use gnome-sensors-applet |
| 22:17.08 | jhutchins_lt | treebeen: Problems also happen with ipv6. |
| 22:17.17 | jelly-home | apollo13: send your disks to pmo then |
| 22:17.34 | pmo | jelly-home.. seems there is something wrong .. dd works well.. but a simple cp / copy runs at 30M/s.. according to time spent |
| 22:17.40 | apollo13 | jelly-home: oh noes I just bought them :þ |
| 22:17.42 | treebeen | jhutchins_lt: hmm, yeah, I thought i could be something with dns or network |
| 22:17.55 | jhutchins_lt | iankp: You'll need to run update-grub after you change it. |
| 22:18.00 | Agiofws | i still use grub in squeeze |
| 22:18.03 | soulslayer | EZmoney |
| 22:18.05 | soulslayer | its gnome |
| 22:18.19 | soulslayer | let me try that but i use it for my conky setup |
| 22:18.21 | jelly-home | pmo: do you have partitions on those disks, or are you using whole devices as raid members? |
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| 22:18.50 | jelly-home | pmo: if you have partitions, can you pastebin the output of, say, sfdisk -d /dev/whatevs |
| 22:18.52 | pmo | jelly-home partitions.. mdraid /adm / lvm |
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| 22:19.33 | pmo | jelly-home the issue might due to chunksize.. or something similar.. |
| 22:20.44 | EZmoney | soulslayer: I view it in my panel and have liblm_sensors4 installed but not lm_sensors |
| 22:21.01 | aguitel | babilen, when you tell dpkg to know about "install gnome" it not talk about gnome-session |
| 22:21.28 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions gnome-session |
| 22:21.29 | judd | Package gnome-session on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.3-2; sid: 2.30.2-3; squeeze: 2.30.2-3; wheezy: 2.30.2-3; experimental: 2.30.2-4 |
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| 22:21.39 | babilen | aguitel: I know -- I might change that when I have time. |
| 22:21.39 | jhutchins_lt | ,info gnome-session |
| 22:21.40 | judd | Package gnome-session (gnome, optional) in squeeze/i386: The GNOME Session Manager - GNOME 2 session. Version: 2.30.2-3; Size: 79.4k; Installed: 204k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/gnome-session |
| 22:21.55 | aguitel | babilen, thanks |
| 22:22.18 | jhutchins_lt | I must be thinking of something else that's the name of the yet-to-come version of gnome. |
| 22:23.08 | pmo | jelly-home http://pastebin.com/w77PQF5H |
| 22:23.31 | jonas_ | jelly-home:here? |
| 22:24.17 | jelly-home | pmo: notice your partitions failing to start at a LBA offset divisible by 8 -- they're not 4096B aligned |
| 22:24.47 | jelly-home | jonas_: sorrt? |
| 22:24.51 | soulslayer | EZmoney, i do something wront i install sensors-applet |
| 22:24.53 | jelly-home | sorry |
| 22:25.00 | soulslayer | but i dont see it in the add menu |
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| 22:25.10 | soulslayer | neighter i can start it with console command |
| 22:25.24 | jelly-home | pmo: oh wait, that's not output of sfdisk -d |
| 22:25.32 | soulslayer | i have /usr/lib/sensors-applet |
| 22:25.38 | soulslayer | but there are only so files |
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| 22:26.26 | pmo | jelly-home http://pastebin.com/BdCd6T9H |
| 22:26.29 | EZmoney | soulslayer in add to panel it is hardware sensors monitor |
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| 22:26.59 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: gnome-shell? |
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| 22:27.14 | soulslayer | EZmoney, now thats akword i have only the regular system monitor there |
| 22:27.15 | soulslayer | ... |
| 22:27.30 | EZmoney | gnome-sensors-applet |
| 22:27.30 | babilen | ,infp gnome-shell |
| 22:27.32 | jelly-home | pmo: those look ok |
| 22:27.37 | babilen | ,info gnome-shell |
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| 22:27.38 | judd | No record of package 'gnome-shell' in squeeze/i386. |
| 22:27.55 | babilen | ,versions gnome-shell |
| 22:27.56 | judd | Package gnome-shell on i386 -- experimental: 2.91.5-1 |
| 22:27.57 | jelly-home | pmo: I only checked first 2-3, you can divide start sectors by 8 for the rest ;-) |
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| 22:28.27 | EZmoney | or install gnome-applets |
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| 22:28.43 | pmo | jelly-home, i think it could be due to.. mdadm / lvm / ext(4).. chunksize of similar stuff.. dd output made me wrong.. |
| 22:28.51 | babilen | ,info gnome3-session |
| 22:28.53 | judd | No record of package 'gnome3-session' in squeeze/i386. |
| 22:29.01 | soulslayer | ahh EZmoney yes i got that monitor |
| 22:29.08 | soulslayer | but there is no temperature live report |
| 22:29.08 | soulslayer | .. |
| 22:29.17 | EZmoney | ok does it detect i7? |
| 22:29.25 | EZmoney | i see |
| 22:29.36 | jelly-home | pmo: if you're using lvm, why do you have 8 partitions? |
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| 22:30.28 | soulslayer | EZmoney, it returns the frequency scalling and the load but no tempreature report |
| 22:30.35 | jelly-home | pmo: (this is irrelevant to your performance issue, I'm just curious) |
| 22:30.39 | pmo | jelly-home because i only use 2 partitions :) .. 1 in each disk.. i have only 2 disks of similar size.. but i want to share space / spread speed. amoung all disks of differient size.. |
| 22:30.46 | soulslayer | i found few fixes for lm-sensors |
| 22:30.48 | EZmoney | thats a different applet soulslayer |
| 22:30.50 | soulslayer | and sensors-detect script |
| 22:30.59 | soulslayer | ouch |
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| 22:31.45 | EZmoney | good luck |
| 22:31.49 | soulslayer | System Monitor 2.30.0 |
| 22:31.50 | soulslayer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:31.54 | pmo | jelly-home.. first partitions.. for boot.. boot system ( in case).. 40.5 GB and the rest to share with all other disks (5).. making possible to have raid5, raid0 raid1 as i wish.. on a personal machine.. |
| 22:32.03 | prizm | I'm using the lenny backports kernel without any upgrades to the standard vanilla kernel; will upgrading to squeeze be safe? |
| 22:32.19 | amphi | prizm: .32 ? |
| 22:32.24 | prizm | yes |
| 22:32.27 | EZmoney | System Monitor 2.30.0 nope soulslayer |
| 22:32.29 | prizm | .32-bpo |
| 22:33.00 | EZmoney | hardware sensors monitor soulslayer |
| 22:33.22 | prizm | Would using squeeze be safe when I upgrade? |
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| 22:33.28 | pmo | jelly-home first partition on extended.. is 167.. that i could share with smallest disk with 200GB size. hence 40+160.. hence 5*160.. next is 320 than that means about 280*4 etc.. |
| 22:33.33 | amphi | prizm: as far as I know that should be ok with the version of udev, (which you may already have too), but I would still follow the lenny->squeeze instructions from the bot |
| 22:33.50 | prizm | I also use Xorg with a Rage 128 card, will that still be supported? |
| 22:34.04 | prizm | sorry, I just like checking the facts before getting into this |
| 22:34.04 | sicaine | hi, i have a big problem with courier-imap: i cant start it, remove it or reinstall. always is this error message: Unknown option '-pid=' |
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| 22:34.43 | sicaine | i found out at google, that a exit 1 in an script should help but it didnt and now im lost |
| 22:34.59 | thewanderer1 | prizm: dunno but my Rage 3D II works pretty nice |
| 22:35.15 | amphi | prizm: I would imagine that's suppored by the radeon driver, but I don't have such a thing |
| 22:35.19 | prizm | OK then |
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| 22:35.35 | jelly-home | pmo: your old, small disks might bring performance _down_ instead of adding to it |
| 22:35.50 | dvs | thewanderer1: you still have a working Rage 3D!?! Wow. |
| 22:35.51 | jelly-home | they have slow seeks and lower speed |
| 22:35.53 | prizm | system is fully updated except for the pre-2.6.32 kernel |
| 22:36.09 | prizm | which just sits there, and backports is being used |
| 22:36.21 | pmo | jelly-home it doesn't matter.. 4 will always be better then only 2.. i think :) |
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| 22:36.38 | pdenapo | Hi I'm having trouble installing squeeze in an old PC. How may I disable the new pata/sata and use the old one (ide-generic)? is there some boot parameter for doing so? |
| 22:36.39 | jelly-home | dvs: server boards had Rage IIc chips on them until say 2008-9 |
| 22:36.55 | jelly-home | pmo: I wouldn't be so sure |
| 22:37.11 | prizm | they're good cards, you can play thief while serving web pages ;) |
| 22:37.11 | pmo | jelly-home i did a cp to itself.. (raid part).. and it is definitly fast.. hence 4096, doesn't seem to be the culprit |
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| 22:37.21 | dvs | I'm surprised they still manufacture those chips. |
| 22:37.39 | prizm | they're cheap, nice and well supported |
| 22:37.40 | eshat | Hi all, could it be, that nvidia-glx is uninstallable in sid ATM ? |
| 22:37.48 | jelly-home | dvs: me too, but there they are, and their 2D graphics still work very well |
| 22:38.01 | dvs | No doubt |
| 22:38.02 | nkuttler | eshat: of course |
| 22:38.06 | pmo | jelly-home, so far at least from.. dd.. and similar tool.. it is.. i already did some test with 3 disks. on other occasion, but the real issue is to see postgresql improvment.. :( |
| 22:38.24 | jelly-home | replaced by R100 or R200 radeon after that |
| 22:38.33 | jelly-home | also a single onboard chip |
| 22:38.44 | pmo | jelly-home, you are right it "could" slow down.. but not enough to make 3 disks run like 2.. |
| 22:38.51 | froggyman | is trying to figure how to have transmission use the sid package |
| 22:39.20 | eshat | nkuttler: of course ? |
| 22:39.31 | nkuttler | eshat: it's called unstable for a reason |
| 22:39.37 | jelly-home | pmo: if it needs to do a 13ms seek instead reading twice from a newer disk with a 7 ms seek... |
| 22:40.06 | eshat | nkuttler: I just asked to make sure, I am not doing anything wrong... sometimes these broken dependencies can be fixed manually |
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| 22:41.00 | nkuttler | eshat: fwiw, a few days ago i installed the stable xorg on sid |
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| 22:41.32 | eshat | nkuttler: Yeah, that might be the reason... however sid isn't really that unstable ;) |
| 22:42.36 | Dark_Wolf | Alright, having a tiiiny bit of trouble installing Squeeze... the "Install" and "Graphical Install" options do something, but nothing useful (I only get as far as a very messed-up looking screen), and my main issue is that the expert installer can't create file systems for some reason. Any ideas? |
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| 22:43.48 | thewanderer1 | Dark_Wolf: looks like hardware problems... or driver problems |
| 22:44.01 | prizm | Dark_Wolf, to use the install option, drop to an options prompt and start the installer kernel without the framebuffer |
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| 22:44.11 | pmo | jelly-home.. make sense.. but is it synchronized.. ? |
| 22:44.11 | prizm | basically fb=fale and it will use a pure terminal |
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| 22:44.50 | Dark_Wolf | prizm: how about the partition error? |
| 22:45.28 | prizm | dunno, lenny worked fine splitting windows 98 and debian up for me on my quantuum fireball lct10 IDE drive |
| 22:45.31 | nkuttler | Dark_Wolf: 'the' partition error? you're so vague.. |
| 22:45.43 | Dark_Wolf | I mentioned it above, http://i.imgur.com/fGbsB.jpg |
| 22:46.23 | nkuttler | Dark_Wolf: hm. never seen such an error myself. are you sure the hardware is ok? |
| 22:46.55 | nkuttler | Dark_Wolf: i'd probably drop to a shell and try to create the partitions/filesystems manually.. |
| 22:47.10 | Dark_Wolf | Farily positive... it's been lying around for a while, but it worked the last time it was used |
| 22:47.25 | Dark_Wolf | Maybe I should try formatting it with some other utility first? |
| 22:47.48 | nkuttler | i believe one of the VTs should have an error log |
| 22:48.22 | prizm | I did have one installer error installing lenny on a PC once, it didn't recognize the RTL-8139 chipset that it would nornally see right off the bat, but I was using the USB installer. Later I managed to get past that, but ntfsresize crashed thankfully not nuking my disk |
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| 22:49.59 | Dark_Wolf | nkuttler: could you elaborate a bit please |
| 22:50.01 | Dark_Wolf | +? |
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| 22:50.32 | nkuttler | Dark_Wolf: about what? |
| 22:50.45 | Dark_Wolf | manual fs creation |
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| 22:52.00 | sicaine | dpkg tells me that my courier-imap package is in a very bad inconsistent state. how do i get more information about it? |
| 22:52.25 | nkuttler | Dark_Wolf: well, man mkfs, some parition tool |
| 22:52.36 | Dark_Wolf | man isn't available |
| 22:52.38 | Dark_Wolf | nor is mkfs |
| 22:53.06 | nkuttler | Dark_Wolf: not really sure what the installer has. it should have something like mkfs.ext3 i guess.. |
| 22:53.27 | nkuttler | Dark_Wolf: if not, you can format the disk with whatever tool you have |
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| 22:55.04 | simonrvn | Dark_Wolf: ls /bin /sbin should tell you what you have in d-i (the installer) |
| 22:55.22 | Dark_Wolf | mkfs.ext3 is present |
| 22:55.32 | Dark_Wolf | I'm probably doing it wrong though... |
| 22:55.40 | slackerr | hi all. any chance to get oracle jdk for squeeze deb64? |
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| 22:56.19 | simonrvn | Dark_Wolf: partition the drive first |
| 22:56.26 | Dark_Wolf | It's partitioned already |
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| 22:56.29 | jelly-home | slackerr: you can always download it from oracle |
| 22:56.43 | Dark_Wolf | The installer got that far, then died at the filesystem creation |
| 22:56.55 | simonrvn | then mkfs.ext3 [options] device |
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| 22:57.09 | slackerr | jelly-home: there are bin oly and rpms.. not sure bin will works fine |
| 22:57.13 | Dark_Wolf | I assume I don't need any options |
| 22:57.22 | slackerr | *bin only and rpms |
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| 22:57.24 | sicaine | can i just remove courier-imap manual? |
| 22:57.25 | simonrvn | the defaults are reasonable |
| 22:57.29 | dabox | ooo earthquake |
| 22:57.39 | jelly-home | judd: versions sun-java6-jdk |
| 22:57.40 | sicaine | i cant even purge the package :| |
| 22:57.40 | judd | Package sun-java6-jdk on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 6-22-0lenny1; squeeze/non-free: 6.22-1; sid/non-free: 6.24-1; wheezy/non-free: 6.24-1 |
| 22:57.46 | dabox | so i'm not sure here, am i in debian or overflow? |
| 22:57.51 | simonrvn | sicaine: try dpkg --configure courier-imap first |
| 22:57.57 | simonrvn | dabox: #d |
| 22:58.02 | Dark_Wolf | simonrvn: one of the partitions failed... inodes_count (0) too big for a filesystem with 0 blocks |
| 22:58.24 | jelly-home | slackerr: well, there's 6.24 in sid, I guess it's going to be present in a squeeze repo sooner or later |
| 22:58.27 | dabox | #d ?? wth |
| 22:58.32 | simonrvn | wtf. did the partitioning go well? |
| 22:58.34 | dabox | thats not even in the list |
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| 22:58.37 | simonrvn | dabox: #debian |
| 22:58.37 | sicaine | mh there are a lot of dependency problems simonrvn like: 'package libfam0 is not configured yet'. |
| 22:58.40 | Dark_Wolf | simonrvn: I think so. |
| 22:58.42 | dabox | whatever freenode is fail now im out |
| 22:58.57 | sicaine | shout i configure them all first? would that help simonrvn? |
| 22:59.00 | Dark_Wolf | simonrvn: It looks like there are too many partitions though |
| 22:59.03 | simonrvn | sicaine: then configure it. i'd look up in the error messages in your term to see what went wrong |
| 22:59.27 | simonrvn | sicaine: you could try dpkg --configure -a |
| 23:00.14 | simonrvn | Dark_Wolf: you could re-do the partitioning if you want... i'm assuming there's nothing on it? |
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| 23:00.33 | Dark_Wolf | Nope. How large should / be? I'm thinking 20 GB? |
| 23:00.50 | simonrvn | what size is your drive? |
| 23:01.04 | Dark_Wolf | 160 GB |
| 23:01.18 | simonrvn | that's ok |
| 23:01.39 | sicaine | tx a lot simonrvn. the error is gone finaly! |
| 23:01.51 | simonrvn | sicaine: np |
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| 23:02.19 | simonrvn | (for a moment i thought you said transmit a lot) |
| 23:02.57 | Dark_Wolf | simonrvn: how do I use GB instead of cylinders? |
| 23:03.26 | simonrvn | depending on the tool, i just type in (e.g.) 20G |
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| 23:04.51 | Dark_Wolf | simonrvn: I tried (in fdisk), but it's coming out as cylinder 20 |
| 23:05.12 | simonrvn | try 20GB |
| 23:05.18 | Dark_Wolf | tried that too |
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| 23:05.47 | jhutchins_lt | +20g |
| 23:05.57 | simonrvn | Last cylinder or +size or +sizeMB or +sizeKB |
| 23:06.04 | simonrvn | Dark_Wolf: ^^ |
| 23:06.14 | jhutchins_lt | Need the plus sign. |
| 23:06.39 | simonrvn | used to cfdisk ;p |
| 23:07.08 | Dark_Wolf | I used 20+sizeG, but it's still showing 20 as the end |
| 23:07.21 | Dark_Wolf | I assume that means 20 cylinders |
| 23:07.22 | simonrvn | no, +20g like jhutchins_lt said |
| 23:07.30 | Dark_Wolf | ah. |
| 23:07.40 | Dark_Wolf | Makes sense now... |
| 23:08.01 | Dark_Wolf | much better |
| 23:08.18 | simonrvn | i need to go out, brb |
| 23:08.25 | Dark_Wolf | Is swap primary or extended? |
| 23:08.27 | Dark_Wolf | I assume primary |
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| 23:10.09 | jhutchins_lt | Dark_Wolf: can be either. |
| 23:10.28 | simonrvn | depends where you want it |
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| 23:10.57 | jhutchins_lt | Personally I avoid extended if I can. |
| 23:11.36 | ROosy | hello |
| 23:12.07 | ROosy | is possible to run a X on chroot 32 bits, i use squeeze 64amd ? |
| 23:12.18 | ROosy | /dev/fb0 probleme i see |
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| 23:15.30 | ROosy | no possible ? |
| 23:15.49 | apollo13 | and why would you want to do that? |
| 23:17.50 | ROosy | for use 32bits app |
| 23:18.11 | ROosy | pcsx and other |
| 23:18.33 | apollo13 | Don't know what pcsx is, but my 32 bit apps run hapilly in a 64 bit env |
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| 23:18.36 | ROosy | pcsx is an playstation emulator |
| 23:18.49 | jelly-home | ROosy: it's possible to run an X server the normal way, and allow apps from a 32biut chroot to open windows on it |
| 23:18.49 | ROosy | not run in 64 |
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| 23:19.30 | ROosy | jelly-home: i have no /dev/fb0 files not found |
| 23:19.39 | jelly-home | you shouldn't need it |
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| 23:20.56 | ROosy | jelly-home: have you a internet link for how to, because i have read all google link for this i think |
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| 23:21.17 | jelly-home | do, I don't have an internet link. |
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| 23:21.31 | the_drow | hello, where can I find the docs about how to write a dkms.config file? |
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| 23:22.35 | ROosy | jelly-home: my chroot works fine, have install gnome, and configure on vt9 but X don't find /dev/fb0 |
| 23:22.55 | ROosy | but i have create with mknod /dev/fb0 |
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| 23:23.19 | jelly-home | ROosy: sorry, I'm going to bed now, hopefully someone else will step in |
| 23:25.06 | ROosy | ok jelly-home have a good time in your bed :) |
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| 23:26.34 | jelly-home | I'm hoping for the best. |
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| 23:30.09 | Dark_Wolf | simonrvn: I'm going through the normal installer this time... it went straight to 33% on the formatting and it's not moving yet |
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| 23:34.36 | simonrvn | Dark_Wolf: back. it might seem to stall on certain things, but you can take a look at it in vt4 |
| 23:34.46 | simonrvn | alt-f4 |
| 23:34.52 | Dark_Wolf | simonrvn: it worked that time... It's possible the expert installer is flawed |
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| 23:36.09 | simonrvn | there might be bugs, yes. it's released as bug-free as possible (otherwise it wouldn't be, unlike some distros...). but it's impossible to flush them all out unless you try running it under many different conditions ;). |
| 23:36.25 | Dark_Wolf | Should I file a bug? |
| 23:36.57 | _jesse_ | I'm looking to redirect the output of a command to a port such that people can netcat that port to see the output; is there an easy way to do this? |
| 23:37.01 | _jesse_ | I tried playing around with netcat for output, but kept getting invalid connection errors |
| 23:37.02 | simonrvn | there will be an installation-report file in /root once you've completed the install. fill that out (unless they stopped doing that) |
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| 23:37.45 | thewanderer1 | hey, turns out I can't make `cal` display Monday as the first day of the week |
| 23:37.52 | thewanderer1 | -M option doesn't seem to work |
| 23:39.08 | amphi | try ncal |
| 23:39.12 | thewanderer1 | oh. |
| 23:39.26 | thewanderer1 | hey, it works... can I rotate it so weeks are horizontal? O.o |
| 23:39.39 | thewanderer1 | I'm pretty used to time flowing â and not â |
| 23:39.45 | amphi | xrandr? ;) |
| 23:39.48 | thewanderer1 | lol |
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| 23:40.05 | thewanderer1 | okay, I see I'm trying to be too picky :D |
| 23:40.24 | simonrvn | my cal doesn't even that option |
| 23:40.32 | thewanderer1 | how about ncal? |
| 23:41.12 | thewanderer1 | who got the notion of the week starting on Sunday in the first place? |
| 23:41.26 | Dark_Wolf | simonrvn: should the hard drive be making small squeaking sounds? |
| 23:41.29 | amphi | time flows â in any case ;) |
| 23:41.36 | simonrvn | oh it does, but i'm passing it wrong |
| 23:41.43 | thewanderer1 | amphi: in "Time's arrow", yes :P |
| 23:41.58 | simonrvn | Dark_Wolf: uh, no? unless one of your fans is |
| 23:42.16 | Dark_Wolf | not the fan... |
| 23:42.20 | simonrvn | time flows like 8 |
| 23:42.36 | Dark_Wolf | Might be the CD drive, but the light isn't on |
| 23:42.40 | thewanderer1 | thanks guys, I can always count on you ^.- |
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| 23:43.08 | simonrvn | it nly works for ncal for me |
| 23:43.18 | thewanderer1 | yeah, me too... I think it's supposed to |
| 23:43.26 | thewanderer1 | time to hack the sources |
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| 23:44.26 | amphi | alias? |
| 23:45.35 | thewanderer1 | no, no... I want horizontal weeks starting from Monday |
| 23:45.43 | thewanderer1 | (this is gonna be a killer app) |
| 23:46.40 | thewanderer1 | although the Polish manpage still says that cal accepts -m option to start the week from Monday... |
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