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| 00:16.37 | jnewt | i have a couple of hard drives that are estat, they show up as sdb, sda. there are two internal drives, sdc (boot), and sdd (data). however, if i boot without the two plugged in, sdc (boot), becomes sda, and sdd becomes sdb. i want this to stop happening, as it is making fstab mount the data disk to the wrong location. how to fix this? |
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| 00:18.28 | Dark_Wolf | simonrvn and everyone else: thanks for the help |
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| 00:19.09 | amphi | jnewt: use UUIDs ? |
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| 00:25.49 | jnewt | amphi: just did some quick reading on UUIDs, and that seems perfect. Are these calculated values, or manufacturer assigned? |
| 00:25.54 | sicaine | i dist-upgraded to squeeze and now my server isnt starting. im in a rescuesystem and chrooted. i trie to install firmware-nonfree but apt doesnt find it. but in my source.list is contrib and non-free included |
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| 00:32.13 | sicaine | mh i started the vKVM console but it says: booting from local disk... probing pci nic... so probably the mbr is broken? |
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| 00:34.23 | jnewt | well, it sounds like mounting via uuid would be great until i reformat or re-partition a drive. too bad I can't mount via serial number, that would be ideal. |
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| 00:36.35 | doublep | hi. there's clang 2.8 available in experimental distro, but it cannot be installed because of an unsatisfied dependency. do such problems usually get fixed or should i give up and compile clang locally? |
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| 00:38.55 | streuner__ | experimental is a playground of DDs... |
| 00:39.47 | doublep | so, better self-compile then? |
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| 00:42.34 | Lolikzabijaka | PING?/PONG |
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| 00:48.03 | oxi | hi |
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| 00:48.05 | streuner__ | if you need 2.8, i would compile packages then |
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| 00:48.45 | jnewt | so if you mount by UUID, as opposed to path/to/partition (/dev/sda1), and you mount your root fs / boot via it's UUID, what do you mount swap with, the same UUID? |
| 00:48.48 | oxi | 7za x -t7z /lacie.img.7z -so | md5 -> 950d19fb65c27f1233682a1eab58232c ... dd if=/dev/disk2 conv=sync,noerror bs=512 | md5 -> 2cce433a7c00507326892c16ddea7c5c |
| 00:49.06 | oxi | can anyone guess why I'm facing that? |
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| 00:49.52 | streuner__ | doublep: why do you need 2.8? |
| 00:50.04 | oxi | dd if=/dev/disk2 conv=sync,noerror bs=512 | 7za a -t7z -mx9 /lacie.img.7z -si ... 7za x -t7z /lacie.img.7z -so | md5 -> 950d19fb65c27f1233682a1eab58232c ... dd if=/dev/disk2 conv=sync,noerror bs=512 | md5 -> 2cce433a7c00507326892c16ddea7c5c ... actually |
| 00:50.35 | doublep | streuner__: because a project compiles on 2.8, but not on 2.7 |
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| 00:54.43 | jnewt | apparently i am going to run into issues using rsync if i mount via UUID. can anyone verify this? how is it resolved? |
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| 00:57.47 | streuner__ | doublep: the whole situation is a mess |
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| 00:58.24 | streuner__ | former DD went to *bunt* and the packages of clang just went at 14. Febr. into experiemental |
| 00:58.53 | streuner__ | keep in mind, you dont have support for ANY packages then |
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| 00:59.28 | un214 | huh what? |
| 00:59.32 | streuner__ | well, you should ask somebody who using clang and Debian and needs 2.8 |
| 01:00.32 | sicaine | old problem solved |
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| 01:03.19 | jnewt | should swap space on boot drive be mounted to none or swap? |
| 01:04.27 | un214 | swap |
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| 01:05.20 | jnewt | mine has bee set to none for 2 years. what is the reason for one or the other? |
| 01:07.35 | jnewt | un214: is this another one of those "just because, and you could probably do it either way"? |
| 01:07.41 | un214 | swapon -a scans /etc/fstab for swap |
| 01:08.03 | un214 | or am I mixing up type and path |
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| 01:10.04 | jnewt | un214: no idea, and all i see are "this is how my fstab looks" articles, with no REAL explanation of the why's involved. |
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| 01:10.41 | jw013 | un214: on my system swap has mountpoint none, type swap. That makes sense to me (swap is not actually mounted anywhere) |
| 01:11.06 | un214 | make sense to me too come to think of it |
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| 01:12.22 | nkuttler | jnewt: man 5 fstab should tell you how it is, or man mount |
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| 01:13.31 | jnewt | nkuttler: unfortunately, like most man pages, it explains usage much less than purpose and reasoning. |
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| 01:13.45 | jnewt | *much more |
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| 01:14.00 | jnewt | i get the hows, but not the whens and why's |
| 01:15.02 | un214 | :( |
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| 01:15.12 | Dark_Wolf | Alright simonrvn, still alive? |
| 01:15.51 | jnewt | man pages assume you know what you should be doing, and explain how to do it. that's all. |
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| 01:16.28 | un214 | nice thing about unix is there are man pages |
| 01:16.28 | nkuttler | jnewt: what's your real question anyway |
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| 01:17.44 | jnewt | nkuttler: why should you mount swap to none instead of swap? |
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| 01:18.05 | jnewt | it makes no difference what i put in fstab, none or swap |
| 01:18.40 | sicaine | mh does debian have something like a useflag? i trie to install transmission and debian suggests also transmission-gtk |
| 01:19.11 | nkuttler | jnewt: honestly, if i cared about such things i'd read the mount or kernel sources |
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| 01:19.30 | nkuttler | i'm satisfied with the man page telling me what it _should_ be |
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| 01:21.24 | jnewt | nkuttler: well, here's one i care about immensly: i am trying to mount a drive via UUID, and even though i do in fstab, depending on which drives are in the system, the boot drive will be either sda, or sdc. how do i keep it allways the same |
| 01:21.48 | jnewt | this switches all the other drives around and everything mounts wrong. |
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| 01:22.57 | jnewt | i want my 250gb WD drive to always be sda, regardless of other drives plugged in. |
| 01:23.00 | nkuttler | jnewt: not sure what you mean. please pastebin your fstab |
| 01:23.44 | Dark_Wolf | So, anyone know why GRUB would suddenly decide to say "GRUB Read Error: Operating system not found" just after installing Squeeze? |
| 01:23.49 | nkuttler | jnewt: are you having problems with the bootloader? |
| 01:24.25 | jnewt | no, i am having problems with removeable esata drives re-arranging all my mount points |
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| 01:25.02 | jnewt | http://codepad.org/L5TW0LVK |
| 01:26.39 | jnewt | that's for two drives always in the system. if i plug in an esata drive, reboot, it automatically takes the sda slot which changes the other two in fstab |
| 01:26.54 | thewanderer1 | anyone using OTPW and wanna tell me how to set up SSH so that it works with that? |
| 01:27.20 | nkuttler | jnewt: well use UUIDs for all partitions |
| 01:28.07 | Dark_Wolf | straps dynamite to his server |
| 01:30.10 | un214 | so you figured out how to keep FBI from seizing server too |
| 01:33.21 | micols | just use LUKS then it isn't a problem, unless they can break aes256 or 512 easily ;) |
| 01:33.43 | micols | it will probably take them 100s of years |
| 01:33.51 | un214 | yeah but dynamie and phosperous gets the point across |
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| 01:34.24 | thewanderer1 | LUKS is vulnerable to evil maid attack anyway :P |
| 01:34.31 | thewanderer1 | dynamite still works, on the other hand |
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| 01:34.52 | gossamer | Hello there, anyone lurking about? |
| 01:35.00 | gossamer | I have a problem with alsa if anyone would be willing to help |
| 01:35.14 | thewanderer1 | guys, my sshd is using privilege separation, and thewanderer has a file called ~/.otpw that sshd needs to read... however, that file has mode 0600 |
| 01:35.54 | un214 | hmmm |
| 01:36.04 | un214 | group ssh and mode 0640? |
| 01:36.55 | un214 | ssh is supposed to be smart enough to become target user to read from target user's home dir |
| 01:37.01 | un214 | maybe it doesn't work in this case |
| 01:37.12 | thewanderer1 | well, I could do that... but I find it strange that pam_unix works and pam_otpw does not |
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| 01:37.19 | gossamer | anyhoo |
| 01:37.55 | gossamer | problem with alsa, sound won't play in two programs simultaneously, odd considering I had no issue with this in my last Debian build, just this one. It's the same card and everything. |
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| 01:38.08 | un214 | doesn't pam_unix use a suid libexec? |
| 01:38.11 | gossamer | I thought this was patched up years ago |
| 01:38.35 | thewanderer1 | un214: libexec as in what? |
| 01:38.54 | un214 | libexec means the library calls exec() to a file in a fixed location |
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| 01:39.10 | thewanderer1 | it would be hard to believe since everything that needs shadow access has to run as root |
| 01:39.51 | Dark_Wolf | Well, who thinks they know why GRUB can't find the OS? |
| 01:40.19 | gossamer | there could be plenty of reasons |
| 01:40.41 | Dark_Wolf | I just installed Debian... |
| 01:40.43 | gossamer | bootloader in the wrong spot, wrong HDD booting first, error in the grub configuration |
| 01:40.52 | gossamer | It happens to me as well |
| 01:40.56 | gossamer | I've got an odd boot order |
| 01:41.06 | gossamer | I have to reinstall grub after Debian completes installation |
| 01:41.06 | Dark_Wolf | It was autoconfigured by the installer, only one OS, only one drive |
| 01:41.12 | Dark_Wolf | It's on the MBR |
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| 01:41.31 | gossamer | I rebuild mine using Supergrub normally when it acts up but I'm sure someone else here could give a better answer than I could |
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| 01:42.25 | gossamer | problem with alsa, sound won't play in two programs simultaneously, odd considering I had no issue with this in my last Debian build, just this one. It's the same card and everything. |
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| 01:44.04 | thewanderer1 | how to see process GID in ps? I can only find the user field... |
| 01:44.34 | thewanderer1 | gossamer: install Pulseaudio, all your issues are gone :P |
| 01:44.52 | gossamer | does it require a restart to work or will the module load after installation? |
| 01:44.55 | thewanderer1 | (also, proprietary poorly-written software like Adobe Flash Player has issues...) |
| 01:44.56 | gossamer | any loss of quality? |
| 01:45.10 | thewanderer1 | you should relogin after installing |
| 01:45.22 | slie | does compiz replace the window manager or will it work with kde? |
| 01:45.24 | gossamer | alright, I'll try it out. |
| 01:45.34 | thewanderer1 | and I haven't seen any loss of quality. but you can enforce it if you overdo the volume (can set it to 150% max) |
| 01:45.49 | gossamer | before I go, I'm on openbox so do you know the basic commands for using it? |
| 01:45.58 | gossamer | they won't automatically show up in my menu like they would in gnome |
| 01:45.58 | nkuttler | slie: kde isn't a window manager, so yes + yes |
| 01:46.14 | thewanderer1 | gossamer: err, run `pulseaudio` and it should start up a server, then sound apps will use it |
| 01:46.19 | gossamer | alright |
| 01:46.25 | slie | nkuttler: thank you! |
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| 01:48.08 | nkuttler | slie: actually, i haven't touched kde in years, maybe nowadays the window manager is integrated, no idea |
| 01:48.32 | un214 | I know you can swap out the WM |
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| 01:48.50 | slie | nkuttler, so if that is the case you think i will have problems? |
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| 01:49.16 | thewanderer1 | alright so I have 2 sshd processes |
| 01:49.18 | nkuttler | flips a coin |
| 01:49.19 | slie | nkuttler, i have some scripts set up i to auto resize my window that is all i want. |
| 01:49.21 | nkuttler | slie: no |
| 01:49.23 | thewanderer1 | actually, 3 |
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| 01:49.41 | thewanderer1 | 1 sshd is the user worker, 2 are root/root... don't see how privilege separation works here |
| 01:49.41 | gossamer | no dice |
| 01:49.53 | gossamer | the only thing odd about my sound setup is that I have to blacklist snd-hda-intel |
| 01:50.01 | gossamer | because I don't use the hdmi audio from my HD5770 |
| 01:50.11 | gossamer | and it grabs it first, blocking out my sound card |
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| 01:50.17 | un214 | I think once you're logged in the session root sshd is dropped |
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| 01:50.50 | thewanderer1 | un214: sure, but it is supposed to have a net worker aside as per privilege separation, no? |
| 01:51.08 | thewanderer1 | I could disable privsep altogether and see what happens... |
| 01:51.22 | thewanderer1 | although I suppose there's a reason it exists |
| 01:53.08 | thewanderer1 | great, so I'm the only person on the planet using libpam-otpw... or at least the only one getting "OTPW not set up for user" in auth.log :P |
| 01:54.05 | gossamer | thewanderer1: am I right in thinking I can blacklist snd-hda-intel in any one of the blacklist files in modprobe.d or does it have to be a specific area? I don't think it would be the cause but it can't hurt to try. |
| 01:54.05 | un214 | tried disable privsep yet? |
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| 01:54.32 | thewanderer1 | gossamer: yeah it can be any file |
| 01:54.37 | gossamer | hm |
| 01:54.50 | gossamer | the only results I get from google on this are from three to six years ago |
| 01:54.55 | slie | anyone know a cool irc room that i can tak about cool programming, os's stuff like that? |
| 01:55.04 | gossamer | none of them are even relevant at this point, alsaconf isn't even used anymore |
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| 01:55.39 | thewanderer1 | oh crap. |
| 01:55.50 | thewanderer1 | I didn't give sshd access to .otpw... |
| 01:56.11 | gossamer | installing audacious to see if it's flash |
| 01:56.22 | gossamer | if it is then I'll grab gnash and get on with life |
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| 01:57.33 | Dark_Wolf | repeats his issue, Grub isn't detecting an OS just after install |
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| 02:00.05 | gossamer | not flash... gstreamer is complaining about not being able to grab jack, and jack isn't even installed |
| 02:00.08 | gossamer | >.> |
| 02:00.22 | gossamer | my Debian build has lost its marbles |
| 02:00.31 | slie | *Dark_Wolf, manually enter the os in th menue |
| 02:00.46 | Dark_Wolf | slie: There is no menu, GRUB fails to load |
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| 02:01.21 | slie | Dark_wolf, use your live cd to boot grub and fix the grub on you system |
| 02:02.25 | Dark_Wolf | Debian doesn't have a livecd to my knowledge |
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| 02:02.48 | gossamer | then use any livecd |
| 02:02.57 | gossamer | I use a Sabayon disk |
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| 02:03.23 | slie | Dark_Wolf, just go get grub install it on a unused thumb drive |
| 02:03.56 | slie | Dark_Wolf, easy rought go google "Super Grub" |
| 02:04.11 | gossamer | Well, doesn't look like I'll be listening to banshee and youtube videos at the same time, I'll just have to remember to completely X out of it when I start Chromium |
| 02:04.29 | Dark_Wolf | ..."X out" |
| 02:04.30 | gossamer | or before I watch a video |
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| 02:04.38 | gossamer | exit it |
| 02:04.44 | Dark_Wolf | Windows! Blasphemy! |
| 02:04.49 | gossamer | kill the process |
| 02:05.04 | gossamer | my windows have x's on them, I am running openbox, not awesome |
| 02:05.05 | Dark_Wolf | I'm on a livecd, but I don't see how I can boot my install from it, seeing as the hard drive isn't mounted |
| 02:05.21 | Dark_Wolf | Doesn't matter if they have X's xD |
| 02:05.26 | gossamer | Dark Wolf, google Supergrub disk |
| 02:05.36 | gossamer | boot into it and select auto-Linux |
| 02:05.36 | Dark_Wolf | I'm aware of supergrub |
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| 02:05.45 | slie | do i have a echo? lol |
| 02:05.45 | gossamer | no dice? |
| 02:05.51 | Dark_Wolf | Haven't tried it yet |
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| 02:06.13 | Dark_Wolf | Also, supergrubdisk.org goes to berliOS |
| 02:06.25 | gossamer | they're website has been screwy lately |
| 02:06.27 | slie | Dark_Wolf, you have to go into the grub command line don't boot into the OS |
| 02:06.43 | Dark_Wolf | slie: I know |
| 02:07.08 | gossamer | *their |
| 02:07.11 | gossamer | a little late |
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| 02:07.42 | slie | Dark_Wolf, just point grub to your kernel boot into the system it will be easier to fix |
| 02:08.00 | Dark_Wolf | slie: I don't know where the kernel is :/ |
| 02:08.04 | thewanderer1 | okay, SSH+OTPW problem solved |
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| 02:10.23 | slie | Dark_Wolf, how many partitions do you have |
| 02:10.30 | Dark_Wolf | 3 |
| 02:11.08 | Dark_Wolf | I'm trying (hd1,0)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 |
| 02:11.11 | Dark_Wolf | But it says image not found |
| 02:12.01 | slie | Dark_Wolf, well can you just boot a live cd snoop around int the system and maybe even unhide that partition? |
| 02:12.23 | Dark_Wolf | I don't even know if that command is correct |
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| 02:14.18 | slie | Dark_Wolf, kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 |
| 02:14.37 | slie | Dark_Wolf, initrd /initrd |
| 02:14.42 | Dark_Wolf | Then it just says teh kernel image doesn't exist |
| 02:14.45 | Dark_Wolf | I'm at a boot: prompt |
| 02:15.02 | mentor | I'm fairly sure grub has an ls |
| 02:15.18 | slie | no it doesn't |
| 02:15.49 | Dark_Wolf | Can I even boot to another OS from a live boot: prompt? |
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| 02:16.07 | slie | Dark_Wolf, try this find /boot/grub/stage1 |
| 02:16.13 | liuyuan | Hello, may I request help with install xorg please |
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| 02:16.31 | liuyuan | I'm currently at the configuration stage, the thing with my laptop is that it has two graphic cards on it |
| 02:16.32 | Dark_Wolf | slie: I'm not beyond a boot prompt, I've said this |
| 02:16.39 | liuyuan | I don't know how to configure X |
| 02:16.41 | slie | Dark_Wolf, root (0,sda) |
| 02:16.51 | slie | yeah thats all you need |
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| 02:17.05 | Dark_Wolf | could not find kernel image: root |
| 02:17.25 | slie | Dark_Wolf, are you in the grub prompt? |
| 02:17.36 | Dark_Wolf | I've said this three times now |
| 02:17.40 | Dark_Wolf | I'm at the boot: prompt |
| 02:17.43 | Dark_Wolf | of the livecd |
| 02:17.48 | Dark_Wolf | Grub isn't available |
| 02:18.09 | un214 | boot the livecd in rescue mode |
| 02:18.13 | un214 | try to fix grub from within |
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| 02:18.30 | Dark_Wolf | Thank you. |
| 02:18.42 | slie | Dark_Wolf, then go configure the files manually and if your on the livecd go mess around with the files |
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| 02:19.16 | Dark_Wolf | >.< |
| 02:19.20 | Dark_Wolf | I hate beep codes |
| 02:19.24 | Dark_Wolf | reboots again |
| 02:19.29 | dclarke | How do I locate the /dev/foo entry for my USB attached external SONY DVD drive ? |
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| 02:20.21 | liuyuan | I'm currently at the configuration stage, the thing with my laptop is that it has two graphic cards on it |
| 02:20.22 | liuyuan | I don't know how to configure X |
| 02:20.30 | dclarke | is there not a hwinfo command or some similar to locate a device ? |
| 02:20.59 | slie | dclarke, just fdisk -l /dev/takeaguess and see the information |
| 02:21.01 | dclarke | liuyuan, wish I could help .. normally during install that stuff takes care of itself .. usually |
| 02:21.21 | Dark_Wolf | un214: How would I fix it, considering there is no menu.lst in grub2? |
| 02:21.24 | liuyuan | dclarke: Oh really? Hrm, i'm installing it along side of gentoo |
| 02:21.28 | liuyuan | and win7 |
| 02:21.39 | dclarke | slie : I tried using parted to look at the partition table of each entry .. that didn't help. None of them were hsfs |
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| 02:21.46 | liuyuan | so I did expert install, so I don't accidentally overwrite the boot partition, or other paritions |
| 02:21.58 | un214 | sorry I'm not good enough from inside |
| 02:21.59 | jmarsden | dclarke: /usr/sbin/lsusb will show the device info |
| 02:22.01 | un214 | with grub2 |
| 02:22.07 | un214 | however there is a config file somewhere |
| 02:22.14 | un214 | I used to have to hand-edit it |
| 02:22.18 | un214 | now I use lilo |
| 02:22.28 | dclarke | liuyuan, sorry, okay .. I only have Debian squeeze. I have heard of those other things and my boss makes me run them in VMware but generally .. I never see .. whats it called ? windows ? sorry :-) |
| 02:22.29 | Dark_Wolf | grub2 doesn't really have a config file for boot commands anymore :/ |
| 02:22.47 | Dark_Wolf | I mean, it might |
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| 02:22.50 | Dark_Wolf | I'll have to look |
| 02:22.52 | liuyuan | dclarke: I'm trying to install squeez as well |
| 02:23.02 | jmarsden | dclarke: Then look under /dev/bus/usb/BUS/DEVICE , I think. |
| 02:23.06 | liuyuan | I think I might reinstall squeez, and go with the entry-level install |
| 02:23.07 | slie | Dark_Wolf, it does they just changed a bunch of stuff around |
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| 02:23.25 | liuyuan | if it's too much trouble, it might not be worth it, i'll just recompile the kernel later anyways |
| 02:24.04 | slie | Dark_Wolf, /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 02:24.53 | Dark_Wolf | I'm reinstalling grub with the rescue mode |
| 02:24.53 | liuyuan | slie: you're right, it's indeed the config file, but one should edit that file |
| 02:25.05 | Dark_Wolf | not edit* |
| 02:25.11 | dclarke | jmarsden, thanks you .. found it ... sort of : http://pastext.net/2252 |
| 02:25.32 | liuyuan | it's automatically generated, and will be over written, grub2 has configuration files in /etc/grub.d/ if i remember correctly |
| 02:26.12 | jmarsden | dclarke: OK, so most likely the device node for your Sony DVD drive is /dev/bus/usb/001/006 |
| 02:26.33 | slie | liuyuan, your right you store a file with your enteries in /etc/grub.d/mycustomefile |
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| 02:27.00 | dclarke | I was just going to go looking for that .. I'm trying to figure out how to mount it .. clearly I need -o ro and fs=hsfs but I'll keep hacking at it .. thanks |
| 02:27.22 | Dark_Wolf | I reinstalled it, still getting "operating system not found" |
| 02:27.46 | slie | Dark_Wolf, is your partition hidden or set to bootable? |
| 02:27.54 | Dark_Wolf | It should be bootable |
| 02:28.20 | Dark_Wolf | I set the flag on install |
| 02:28.35 | slie | Dark_Wolf, well take a look and see if it is set to bootable and not hiddent |
| 02:28.43 | slie | hidden* |
| 02:28.56 | Dark_Wolf | I'm working on it |
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| 02:30.56 | dclarke | oops small problem .. looks like my DVD is a char device and not a block device .. gee .. how do I mount that ? http://pastext.net/2253 |
| 02:31.55 | dclarke | magor and minor dev nums are 189,5 so do I have to make my own device node ? |
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| 02:36.39 | jmarsden | dclarke: You could try that, but you as far as I understand the udev stuff you should not need to, so if you find that helps, something else somewhere is 'wrong' |
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| 02:37.02 | dclarke | jmarsden, I was just thinking that |
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| 02:37.18 | dclarke | jmarsden : plugging in an external USB DVD should not be rocket science |
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| 02:38.52 | dclarke | jmarsden : way way against my better judgement I'll reboot with the DVD attached this time and hopefully I get all my dev nodes etc at boot time |
| 02:39.01 | jmarsden | dclarke: Correct, it should "just work"... I'm not sure what is making it do the wrong thing for you. OK, try it :) |
| 02:39.06 | dclarke | that feels like a MS Windows way of things .. and thus .. *wrong* |
| 02:39.47 | dclarke | could be that I'm using twm and not GNOMe or KDe and thus I am not getting the benefits of some dbus magic or who knows what |
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| 02:43.55 | slie | anyone know of a way i can make my thumbdrive persistant of i already have the os installed |
| 02:44.27 | liuyuan | presistant? |
| 02:45.16 | dclarke | because I am stubborn and do not believe in random reboots ... I unplugged the DVD drive and then re-connected it and then looked at dmesg output thus : http://pastext.net/2254 |
| 02:45.39 | slie | persistent* sorry |
| 02:45.55 | jmarsden | dclarke: That looks sane now... so you can use /dev/sr1 and all should work :) |
| 02:46.03 | dclarke | slie : how would one make a thumbdrive persistent if you can easilly unplug it ? I don't understand |
| 02:46.22 | dclarke | jmarsden: yeah .. there is usally a better solution than reboot |
| 02:46.42 | slie | dclarke, persistent changes that is. |
| 02:46.47 | jmarsden | dclarke: But... why didn't it work first time? Anyway, glad you have it working now. |
| 02:47.15 | Dark_Wolf | Update: Grub apparently magically doesn't exist |
| 02:47.23 | Dark_Wolf | I think it's supposed to be in /boot... |
| 02:47.31 | jmarsden | dclarke: slie means writing back changes made to files so that at next boot from USB the changed files stay changed. The alternative is treating the USB stick like a CDROM... boot from it., but changes disappear... |
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| 02:47.52 | Dark_Wolf | never mind |
| 02:47.54 | sylarr | is there an offline dictionary definitions package? |
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| 02:48.11 | dclarke | jmarsden : I see the issue. I inserted a video and then dmesg reports a pile of errors : http://pastext.net/2255 |
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| 02:48.27 | mongrol | afternoon |
| 02:48.56 | slie | jmarsden, thank you i guess i assumend that we didn't need an explanation |
| 02:49.09 | slie | ill link twice next time* |
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| 02:50.24 | mongrol | anyone heard of compability with sandy bridge for squeeze? |
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| 02:53.29 | un214 | there's something wrong with sandy bridge |
| 02:53.33 | un214 | its been recalled |
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| 02:54.04 | mongrol | yeah I know that |
| 02:54.14 | mongrol | that doesn't mean it will be different when they fix it |
| 02:54.39 | mongrol | anyway, looks like squeeze is 5 versions off the needed kernel for it :) |
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| 02:57.31 | dclarke | jmarsden : yay .. we have a winner with $ sudo mount --verbose --ro --types iso9660 -o nosuid,ro /dev/sr1 /mnt |
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| 02:57.57 | jmarsden | dclarke: good :) |
| 02:58.14 | dclarke | bow I'll try to use VLC to play the movie |
| 02:58.26 | dclarke | seems like a lot of work but .. at the very least its all going forwards |
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| 03:00.20 | dvs | mongrol: Just get a SATA card and use that instead. |
| 03:00.45 | mongrol | ? |
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| 03:02.04 | dvs | mongrol: Do you have one now or are you going to get on after they fix the problem? |
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| 03:02.37 | mongrol | dvs: not gonna bother. It needs 2.6.37 kernel and I'm about to build a stable box. So no good. |
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| 03:02.52 | mongrol | I'll just go H55 chipset and previous generation |
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| 03:04.52 | nublo | why dont you linux users just shove all this open source bullshit up your own ass. no one cares about compiling or configuring or any of the bullshit you constantly jack off about. we normal people just care about chatting and sending email to our friends and viewing the www so please shut the fuck up about foxfire or whatever the fuck tangent you're going off on. thanks for reading this. dongs. |
| 03:05.16 | mongrol | lol |
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| 03:05.42 | simonrvn | idiot |
| 03:06.05 | dvs | is hurt. NOT. |
| 03:06.32 | dclarke | umm .. I am a Solaris user and a Linux user and sometimes .. I even write code .. does make me a loser too ? :-P bah |
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| 03:06.41 | simonrvn | boohoo. *yawn* |
| 03:07.05 | simonrvn | dclarke: ohnoez, a c0d3rz!!11oneoneeleven!! |
| 03:07.17 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 03:07.21 | dclarke | nublo's real name was Larry Ellison |
| 03:08.25 | rtra | who cares about being normal anyway? |
| 03:08.31 | rtra | :-i |
| 03:09.05 | simonrvn | wth is normal anyway? never seen them around here. |
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| 03:10.06 | un214 | normal runs windows, pays $75 yearly for antivirus and has to reformat every 6 months for virus anyway |
| 03:10.57 | dclarke | un214, it is worse than that. They p[ay $300 for the Win 7 license .. which gets copied probably anyways .. and reformated twice year and wonder why its so damn slow |
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| 03:15.07 | Corin | Hi um... kinda obvious question probably... |
| 03:15.19 | Corin | Where are my panel settings located? |
| 03:15.30 | Corin | I mean, the configuration file or whatever. |
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| 03:18.55 | simonrvn | which panel? |
| 03:19.15 | Corin | Oh. |
| 03:19.21 | Corin | I only have one. |
| 03:19.25 | Corin | In KDE, by the way. |
| 03:19.41 | ksk | hi |
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| 03:19.59 | ksk | is there some cool peer-to-peer vpn in debian? |
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| 03:20.43 | simonrvn | try 'systemsettings' Corin |
| 03:21.06 | Corin | simonrvn: I was more of looking for the location... |
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| 03:21.08 | rtra | Corin: it should be somewhere in the .kde tree... |
| 03:21.14 | Corin | Thanks, rtra! :D |
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| 03:21.48 | simonrvn | under appearance iirc |
| 03:22.06 | simonrvn | oh, the file, yes .kde/share or .kde/apps |
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| 03:25.29 | Dark_Wolf | Alright, I seriously need some help |
| 03:25.51 | dvs | we;re not doctors! ;-) |
| 03:25.57 | Dark_Wolf | Grub's config is fine, but I still get "GRUB read error - Operating system not found" |
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| 03:55.30 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is debian-multimedia website an official debian project? |
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| 04:02.30 | epeen | anyone here know how to flash eeproms? |
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| 04:07.00 | LinuxGuy2009 | epeen: Do you have an eeprom flasher? |
| 04:07.20 | epeen | yes. |
| 04:07.38 | LinuxGuy2009 | epeen: Read the directions? |
| 04:07.55 | epeen | what directions? |
| 04:08.13 | LinuxGuy2009 | epeen: If all else fails, read the directions. |
| 04:08.28 | epeen | there are no directions. |
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| 04:09.16 | LinuxGuy2009 | epeen: Sure there are. Whats the make and model and Ill find em for you? |
| 04:09.52 | epeen | of the eeprom flasher? |
| 04:10.20 | LinuxGuy2009 | epeen: Yeah that is what we are talking about isnt it? |
| 04:10.29 | epeen | well, yes... |
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| 04:10.53 | epeen | but had there been a make or model, i would have looked for some info myself. |
| 04:11.05 | LinuxGuy2009 | epeen: Forget it. |
| 04:11.44 | epeen | everything on the eeprom flasher just specifies what sockets are for what. |
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| 04:12.02 | slie | i'm looking for a mentor! anyone willing to teach me we can find a project and work on it? |
| 04:12.12 | epeen | or what goes where etc (a fuse, a cap, etc). |
| 04:12.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | surely its a ##hardware question |
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| 04:15.42 | Corin | slie: You wanna become a Jedi, too?! :D |
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| 04:17.12 | JasonWoof | ok, sanity check here... foo/ and bar/ exist. "cp -a foo bar" makes new directory bar/foo. but cp -a -L foo bar deletes everything in bar, and replaces it with the contents of bar. Is this the biggest bug ever? or am I missing something? |
| 04:17.25 | JasonWoof | ok, sanity check here... foo/ and bar/ exist. "cp -a foo bar" makes new directory bar/foo. but cp -a -L foo bar deletes everything in bar, and replaces it with the contents of foo. Is this the biggest bug ever? or am I missing something? |
| 04:17.29 | JasonWoof | sorry, typo on first one |
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| 04:18.10 | eater9 | Hi, just reading about vulnerabilities in exim; I have a few etch servers here and I'd like to upgrade their exim 4.63 to 4.74 -- is there a moderately untraumatic way to do that, you think? I see that 4.74 is packaged for lenny ... |
| 04:18.17 | JasonWoof | never mind. it's my sanity that was the problem. I deleted bar before executing the second |
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| 04:22.26 | oOarthurOo | slie, I'm an expert in silence, and would be happy to teach you |
| 04:22.38 | nvz | I booted up my desktop HDD in this laptop cause the desktop is dead, and the laptop has AMD64 & nVidia just the same.. but I'm having an issue now |
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| 04:23.23 | Dark_Wolf | simonrvn: around at all? |
| 04:23.24 | nvz | I installed the Lenny-Backport kernel 2.6.32 to solve the wifi issue, and now the nvidia drivers are broken and will not unstall using module assistant, debian/rules, or the nvidia binary |
| 04:24.00 | nvz | The errors are the nvidia binary says "./nvidia-installer: no such file or directory" when you run it and it uncompresses |
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| 04:24.32 | nvz | and the m-a / debian/rules way, it says "stack protector enabled but no compiler support" |
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| 04:26.08 | slie | Corin, i would :O |
| 04:26.27 | slie | oOarthurOo, had a to take a quick break :L |
| 04:27.09 | nvz | the issue seems to be that my debian arch is i386 but my kernel is an amd64 kernel |
| 04:29.53 | simonrvn | Dark_Wolf: nope :P |
| 04:30.06 | Dark_Wolf | How about now? |
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| 04:30.14 | simonrvn | nope, not at all |
| 04:30.24 | Dark_Wolf | Serious nope or haha nope? |
| 04:30.24 | nvz | is annoyed |
| 04:31.05 | simonrvn | haha nope |
| 04:31.11 | Dark_Wolf | mmkay then |
| 04:31.21 | simonrvn | briefly.. whassup? |
| 04:31.23 | Dark_Wolf | GRUB is broken and I can't fix it, so I'm gonna bug you about it |
| 04:31.35 | Dark_Wolf | "GRUB Read Error - Operating system not found" |
| 04:31.36 | simonrvn | coughing fit right now... |
| 04:31.47 | simonrvn | not finding drive? |
| 04:31.51 | Dark_Wolf | I dunno |
| 04:31.56 | nvz | yeah well my nvidia drivers are broke.. so lets throw ourselvs a pitty party.. hah |
| 04:31.56 | Dark_Wolf | No details beyond that |
| 04:32.06 | Dark_Wolf | dances with nvz? |
| 04:32.13 | simonrvn | might be /dev/sd and it's looking for /dev/hd |
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| 04:32.24 | simonrvn | get a grub shell and find out |
| 04:32.35 | nvz | trying to use me desktop HDD in a laptop and needed a newer kernel than the lenny one to get rfkill support for the wifi, and it broke my nvidia-kernel |
| 04:32.53 | nvz | now I can't seem to get a kernel module for nvidia for the BPO kernel no matter what I try |
| 04:33.10 | nvz | not sure what to do short of start over and just install Squeeze on a new drive.. heh |
| 04:33.11 | Dark_Wolf | simonrvn: I can't get past the message :/ |
| 04:33.25 | nvz | which now that I think about it, thats what I think i shall do.. |
| 04:33.46 | nvz | oh wait nm.. I was basing that on me running AMD64 on here. .but its actually i386 |
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| 04:34.02 | nvz | which is what I want.. just want Wifi AND 3d |
| 04:34.19 | Dark_Wolf | Use superglue? That fixes everything... |
| 04:34.34 | nvz | I've never used superglue to fix anything |
| 04:34.39 | simonrvn | hmm, dunno. google it. my brain is low on O2 .. |
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| 04:34.48 | slie | i'm looking for a mentor! anyon willing to teach me we can find a project and work on it? |
| 04:35.07 | nvz | haha |
| 04:35.39 | nvz | gets out his thinking cap and a crate of lemons |
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| 04:36.39 | ksk | is there some cool peer-to-peer vpn in debian? |
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| 04:38.40 | nvz | ksk: openvpn |
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| 04:42.36 | Corin | Does anyone know of a distro that's better than Debian? |
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| 04:47.20 | oOarthurOo | is not pleased with his tutors progress |
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| 04:51.58 | SushiDude | Corin: It depends on your needs... |
| 04:52.18 | jmarsden | !better |
| 04:52.18 | dpkg | well, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 04:52.47 | Corin | SushiDude: jmarsden: It was actually a job. Sorry, I'm bored. |
| 04:52.49 | Corin | joke* |
| 04:53.00 | SushiDude | I like bars of foo =P |
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| 05:34.12 | arbir | hello |
| 05:34.17 | lost4400 | hi |
| 05:34.55 | arbir | i am been trying to find an answer, cannot find it on the docs.. what is the minimum ram required to run squeeze ? |
| 05:35.39 | arbir | can i install and boot up (no X) a version with say as little as 4 mb ram ? |
| 05:36.23 | lost4400 | pretty sure |
| 05:36.34 | simonrvn | no, min is 16, or even 32. at least for the installer. |
| 05:36.38 | abrotman | arbir: usually in the installatino manual .. and 4MB is probably not nearly enough |
| 05:37.00 | simonrvn | hey abrotman, still about |
| 05:37.27 | arbir | simonrvn: i see.. thanksâ¦.. been trying to use an old old box which has 4 mb ram :-) |
| 05:37.43 | lost4400 | have to make from scratch... as embed sys for just the pgm, but ask how many ram need squeeze... |
| 05:37.47 | karlpinc | arbir: You could try emdebian. |
| 05:37.57 | arbir | karlpinc: whats emdebian ? |
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| 05:38.01 | lost4400 | yes |
| 05:38.03 | karlpinc | !emdebian |
| 05:38.04 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
| 05:38.25 | simonrvn | ah, different story then. see what the bot said. |
| 05:38.50 | karlpinc | arbir: All the same, you must have realistic expectations regarding you can run. |
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| 05:41.30 | karlpinc | arbir: I'd like to get around to trying emdebian on a linksys wrt54g wireless router. That's got 64M ram, but essentially no disk -- everything has to run from a ramdisk. |
| 05:42.10 | lost4400 | openWRT... or OpenSlug ? |
| 05:42.20 | karlpinc | lost4400: openwrt. |
| 05:42.42 | arbir | karlpinc: just being curiousâ¦. i found netbsd that i could install on it and netbsd said it needs minimum 4 mb ramâ¦. |
| 05:43.00 | arbir | karlpinc: so the first thing that came to my mind was, how will debian fare |
| 05:43.01 | lost4400 | thx :) i do now, i have that i a "garage" :) |
| 05:43.39 | zach23 | I use the firmware-bnx2 in lenny; if i upgrade to squeeze will my box come back up (it's co-located miles away and i'm nervous about that) |
| 05:43.40 | karlpinc | Oops. I ment 16M of ram. (IIRC.) |
| 05:43.41 | simonrvn | arbir: debian gnu/linux or debian gnu/kfreebsd ? :P j/k |
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| 05:44.23 | arbir | simonrvn: i always waned to see how gnu/kFreebsd would do in a production env. i have always been fascinated by freebsd |
| 05:44.53 | karlpinc | zach23: It'll very likely come back up -- as likely as anything is. But you must follow the release notes and install the firmware at the appropriate point. |
| 05:45.26 | simonrvn | freebsd's pretty nice. i imagine the combo is nicer even |
| 05:45.56 | zach23 | karlpinc: this i dont know when to do -- after the kernel install? |
| 05:46.07 | karlpinc | zach23: The tricky part is the installation of grub2. My recommendation is that you go ahead and install grub2 and have grub1 chainload, but don't reboot until you make that the not-default option. |
| 05:46.24 | karlpinc | zach23: It's in the release notes. Yes, after/with the kernel/udev install. |
| 05:47.47 | karlpinc | zach23: Then you can either be on-site when you test the chainloading and get rid of grub1, or you can configure grub1 to chainload grub1 in a "boot this only once" configuration and arrange to have someone power cycle the box should the chainloading fail to work. (It's all likely not to be a problem, but....) |
| 05:48.34 | MrFrood | anybody any idea why Xorg -configure |
| 05:48.46 | MrFrood | keeps crashing out? |
| 05:49.03 | zach23 | karlpinc: thank you. is there a huge advantage to upgrading to squeeze in a rush? it's a postgresql box |
| 05:49.41 | MrFrood | "Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices" |
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| 05:52.55 | karlpinc | zach23: The advantage is that if you find a problem you can report it and there's a chance it'll get fixed in the first squeeze point release. Wait a long time and squeeze, being stable, is a lot harder to change. The advantage of waiting is that there's already a postgres bug, in psql iirc having to do with readline and non-ascii chars, perhaps, that's semi-serious and certainly could be annoying. (RTFM the bug reports.) Some think that will get fixed |
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| 05:53.41 | zach23 | but performance wise? |
| 05:55.26 | karlpinc | zach23: Dunno. I've not upgraded and my important pg box is not on debian. There's also an upgrade process as well to migrate the data, which may require lots of interem storage. Performance wise I'd bet the new pg is faster, but there may, possibly, be some slowdown for somebody somewhere. Who knows. Testing is required. |
| 05:55.50 | zach23 | karlpinc: No I mean with the OS in itself |
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| 05:56.49 | karlpinc | zach23: I can't say. Packages are bigger and need more ram. The kernel gets better and faster, mostly. etc. |
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| 06:16.27 | oOarthurOo | MrFrood does it do the same thing if you call it via dpkg, instead of directly like that? |
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| 06:27.08 | Prajwal | give me a general debian repository so that i can add to sources.list |
| 06:27.21 | Prajwal | i excluded mirror during installation |
| 06:27.32 | Prajwal | and now it has volatile which is not supported |
| 06:28.10 | Prajwal | anyone here ??? |
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| 06:29.30 | epeen | nope. |
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| 06:34.01 | oOarthurOo | I done a couple squeeze installs and volatile was setup on one and disabled in the other. It just shouldn' tbe there at all I thought for Squeeze |
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| 06:46.23 | lubosz | hi. how do i install 32bit libs in 64bit system that are not part of ia32-libs? |
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| 06:48.39 | lubosz | is there a better solution than unpacking the deb and copying it into /usr/lib32 ? |
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| 06:48.51 | lubosz | i don't want to use a whole 32but chroot |
| 06:49.43 | tempore | Hey Guys, I know this probably isn't the best channel to ask this, but I have a socket AM2 motherboard with a faulty CPU. I can't seem to buy AM2s anymore; will an AM3 be compatible? |
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| 06:50.55 | JairunCaloth | Quick question. If I install stable now, and decide later I want to change to testing. Do I have to reinstall? |
| 06:51.08 | neoice | tempore: no, AM3 has different pins. also, no more AM2s?? no way. |
| 06:51.13 | crypticsquared | JairunCaloth: no |
| 06:51.20 | Loshki | tempore: I doubt it, but ask in #hardware |
| 06:51.22 | lubosz | tempore: it's compatible the OTHER way round |
| 06:51.28 | lubosz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AM3 |
| 06:51.31 | crypticsquared | JairunCaloth: change sources and the apt-update etc etc |
| 06:51.36 | tempore | neoice: Yea, can't seem to find many/any |
| 06:51.43 | lubosz | you could try to fit an i7 in a 286 board |
| 06:51.46 | tempore | Loshki: #hardware is invite only ;) |
| 06:51.56 | neoice | wow, only one AM2 on newegg |
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| 06:52.09 | lubosz | tempore: try /j ##hardware |
| 06:52.13 | neoice | I guess I havent looked at hardware in like 6 full months |
| 06:52.13 | JairunCaloth | crypticsquared: Ok, thanks |
| 06:52.18 | tempore | ;___; |
| 06:52.35 | tempore | The mobo's awesome, but the processor's screwed |
| 06:52.47 | tempore | Don't particularly want to replace both |
| 06:53.33 | tempore | Ah well |
| 06:53.36 | neoice | thats how these things go :/ |
| 06:53.44 | lubosz | in europe there's plenty of AM2+ cpus http://geizhals.at/eu/?cat=cpuamdam2p&sort=p |
| 06:53.53 | Loshki | tempore: I just looked, didn't need an invite, maybe you mean you have to register with freenode before you can enter, that's getting fairly common these days. More worrying is the 'no idiots allowed' topic there... |
| 06:53.54 | neoice | proc failure is uncommon though, you sure its not mobo? |
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| 06:54.49 | Loshki | tempore: nothing on ebay? Where old hardware goes to die... |
| 06:55.24 | tempore | Loshki: I'll give eBay a shot, always a little sceptical about things on eBay ;) |
| 06:56.19 | JairunCaloth | might try amazon |
| 06:56.43 | sylar | what package do I need in order to less *.gz files? |
| 06:56.45 | Loshki | tempore: well, cpus usually either work or they don't. Use a reputable seller with lots of good feedback and a doa return policy and you'll be fine. Should be dirt cheap... |
| 06:56.51 | JairunCaloth | not generally the greatest prices, but they have older hardware sometims |
| 06:57.08 | JairunCaloth | sylar: zcat? |
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| 06:57.42 | sylar | JairunCaloth, would it make less work with *.gz? |
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| 06:59.19 | JairunCaloth | zcat <file> | less |
| 06:59.28 | Loshki | tempore: which reminds me. Until you put in a new cpu and it works, how do you know the problem isn't on the motherboard? |
| 07:00.02 | sylar | JairunCaloth, ah, but in one computer less works on *.gz, on the other it doesn't |
| 07:00.10 | sylar | JairunCaloth, that is what I look |
| 07:00.45 | JairunCaloth | same OS? |
| 07:01.31 | tempore | Loshki: It's a long story. In short: the CPU operated without thermal paste or a properly attached heatsink for a few months; think the lack of effective cooling damaged it. |
| 07:01.49 | JairunCaloth | 0.o |
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| 07:04.01 | Loshki | tempore: been there... |
| 07:04.55 | tempore | Loshki: Heh. Not a good place to be amirite. Checked on eBay; plenty of dirt-cheap AM2s around :] |
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| 07:07.55 | sylar | JairunCaloth, yes same os |
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| 07:08.07 | jmarsden | sylar: check what LESS variables you have set on each machine. LESSOPEN and LESSCLOSE can be used to allow less to do more things, including automatically decompress .gz files. |
| 07:08.07 | JairunCaloth | sylar: got me then |
| 07:09.03 | sylar | $ echo $LESSOPEN |
| 07:09.04 | sylar | | /usr/bin/lesspipe %s |
| 07:09.11 | sylar | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:09.12 | sylar | /usr/bin/lesspipe %s %s |
| 07:09.21 | jmarsden | sylar: Is it the same on both machines? |
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| 07:10.33 | sylar | jmarsden, no, on the other machine these variables are not set |
| 07:10.40 | jmarsden | Then that is the issue :) |
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| 07:11.20 | sylar | jmarsden, I guess so |
| 07:11.38 | sylar | but what have configured these variables? |
| 07:11.46 | jmarsden | set them and use less on the second machine (check that /usr/bin/lesspipe exists on both). |
| 07:11.56 | jmarsden | That is usually set in /etc/profile or similar... |
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| 07:14.43 | dost | hi |
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| 07:14.53 | sylar | jmarsden, found it in /etc/skel/.bashrc |
| 07:15.14 | sylar | but it is commented |
| 07:15.22 | jmarsden | OK. Makes sense. I have a very customized .bashrc here :) |
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| 07:16.38 | sylar | [ -x /usr/bin/lesspipe ] && eval "$(lesspipe)" |
| 07:16.53 | jmarsden | Yes, that should do it :) |
| 07:17.14 | jmarsden | I have [ -x /usr/bin/lesspipe ] && eval "$(SHELL=/bin/sh lesspipe)" |
| 07:17.24 | jmarsden | But that may be from years ago :) |
| 07:18.03 | sylar | what does it mean? If lesspipe is executible, eval the variable lesspipe? |
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| 07:18.55 | jmarsden | eval the results of running lesspipe. Try echo $(lesspipe) and you will understand |
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| 07:19.33 | sylar | I see |
| 07:20.01 | sylar | but why is $(lesspipe) that? |
| 07:20.11 | sylar | (that was echoed) |
| 07:20.24 | jmarsden | That is newer syntax for `lesspipe` |
| 07:20.26 | sylar | where is $(lesspipe) defiend? |
| 07:20.37 | jmarsden | lesspipe is a program, /usr/bin/lesspipe |
| 07:20.49 | sylar | ah |
| 07:20.58 | jmarsden | $(foo) means `foo` means "put the output of running foo in here" |
| 07:21.10 | sylar | ah |
| 07:21.16 | sylar | good to know :) |
| 07:21.24 | sylar | I know `foo` |
| 07:21.31 | sylar | knew |
| 07:21.36 | sylar | ok |
| 07:21.42 | LouisVuittonBags | Hello |
| 07:21.43 | sylar | Thanks :D |
| 07:22.15 | Ogmios | foo you |
| 07:22.54 | jmarsden | sylar: man bash and look for 'Command Substitution' if you really want to read all about it :) |
| 07:24.29 | Ogmios | hi Louie |
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| 07:25.07 | sylar | jmarsden, the problem is that if you don't use it u loose it :/ |
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| 07:25.31 | jmarsden | So... use it :) help other people out here -- that is one way to use it :) |
| 07:26.30 | sylar | :) |
| 07:27.29 | sylar | This would work, if someone would ask something that use it |
| 07:27.42 | sylar | worth a try :) |
| 07:28.21 | sylar | say, is there a program that search and dict-gcide values (that is not a network server) ? |
| 07:28.31 | sylar | (i.e. a terminal command) |
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| 07:29.18 | sylar | I guess I am asking if there is an alternative to dictd? |
| 07:31.10 | jmarsden | The client is dict, the server is dictd, I think... so why not run dictd locally and then use the dict command? |
| 07:32.08 | sylar | jmarsden, I want to not use any network interface including lo |
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| 07:33.35 | sylar | jmarsden, dictd need at least lo |
| 07:33.38 | nvz | I got a p2p VPN setup between two debian boxes, the server 10.0.0.1 can ping, client 10.0.0.2 but and the client can rpcinfo, ssh, etc.. the server, but any such commands I type on the server time out on the client |
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| 07:33.48 | jmarsden | Seems an odd "want" to me... you could probably hack dictd to listen on a BSD docket and hack on dict to use that socket :) |
| 07:35.03 | sylar | jmarsden, I could join the two of them to one program that would open the other using a pipe |
| 07:36.25 | sylar | but maybe there is already some program that does it :/ |
| 07:39.59 | jmarsden | sylar: I am no expert, but you could also look at using dictconv to convert the dict-gcide data into a different dictionary file format and then use *that* client ? |
| 07:40.22 | sylar | good idea |
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| 07:54.19 | weltall2 | hi it's normal i can't use stable-updates in place of squeeze-updates (like it can be done for security and main repositories?) i got this: W: Conflicting distribution: http://ftp.us.debian.org stable-updates Release (expected stable-updates but got squeeze-updates) |
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| 08:04.47 | oOarthurOo | weltall, that's interesting. can you pastebin your sources.list |
| 08:04.59 | oOarthurOo | weltall2, ^^ |
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| 08:06.11 | weltall2 | http://pastebin.com/i0qVsHV8 |
| 08:06.15 | weltall2 | oOarthurOo |
| 08:06.30 | weltall2 | changing stable-updates to squeeze-updates fixes the issue |
| 08:07.00 | cahoot | isn't that preferable anyway? |
| 08:07.02 | oOarthurOo | weltall2, I'm sure it does. I just would've thought stable-updates should work and was wondering if a typo might be responsible |
| 08:07.42 | weltall2 | well both stable and stable-proposed-updates don't have squeeze in the suite field |
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| 08:09.34 | oOarthurOo | intersting... Err http://backports.debian.org stable-backports/main amd64 Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 206.12.19.9 80] |
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| 08:09.49 | anddam | hello |
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| 08:11.17 | anddam | is Live's usb-hdd image for external hard drives as opposed to usb memory sticks? |
| 08:11.32 | oOarthurOo | weltall2 thx for info. I'd always thought squeeze and stable were interchangable in the sources.list file |
| 08:11.43 | weltall2 | np thanks for looking into it :) |
| 08:12.15 | anddam | I have to drop an image on a 4GB stick and I can't find on wiki which one should I pick |
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| 08:13.49 | anddam | anyone using Live? |
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| 08:16.04 | weltall2 | yet in the case of updates it looks a bug to me as the repo is present in the ftp as a link |
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| 08:16.26 | weltall2 | ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable-updates/ |
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| 08:19.23 | anddam | Live Debian manual seems to focus on building an installer, I'd rather like a live system on the usb stick, is there any quick reference? |
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| 08:26.46 | RemmyToo | Running update-notifier, it prompts me for the password to unlock my keychain... nothing seems to work though. Anyway I can reset that keychain password? |
| 08:27.22 | cahoot | in debian? |
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| 08:28.06 | RemmyToo | cahoot, yes |
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| 08:31.34 | RemmyToo | I think it's gksu that's prompting me for the unknown pass thingy |
| 08:31.52 | nsadmin | no xcdroast in squeeze? what's current? |
| 08:31.58 | b_jonas | It turns out the problems I had with firefox not loading pages were probably problems with my too paranoid iptables filter settings. Thoguh I still don't quite understand what was wrong, it's probalby not debian squeeze's fault. |
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| 08:34.04 | RemmyToo | Ah, when I don't ask for it to store into my keychain, it proceeds with the root pass |
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| 08:35.39 | nsadmin | !xcdroast |
| 08:35.39 | dpkg | X-CD-Roast is yet another <cdrecord> frontend for the X Window System. http://www.xcdroast.org/ Not part of Squeeze due to Debian bug #517411. |
| 08:36.20 | sagaci | !aircrack-ng |
| 08:36.20 | dpkg | aircrack-ng is a suite of <WEP> and <WPA> cracking utilities forked from aircrack. Not part of the Squeeze release due to Debian bug #605519, ask me about <pyrit>. http://aircrack-ng.org/doku?id=faq http://aircrack-ng.org/ #aircack-ng on irc.freenode.net. |
| 08:37.29 | b_jonas | but luckily if you want to burn cds, squeeze also has xorriso |
| 08:38.15 | anddam | when I try to change an user's password I get a "Current Kerberos password: " what am I supposed to put there? |
| 08:38.18 | b_jonas | I wonder if the libburn guys jumped the version number to 1.0 as a reaction to squeeze including it |
| 08:38.20 | Technicus | What different hibernation software, schemes and configurations are avaliable that Debian actively supports? |
| 08:38.24 | anddam | I mean never even looked what kerberos is |
| 08:38.36 | anddam | I mean I* |
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| 08:59.01 | nsadmin | how do I see everything that depends on wodim (to find a robust front end to it)? |
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| 08:59.22 | simonrvn | apt-cache [r]depends ? |
| 08:59.35 | simonrvn | nsadmin: RTFM ;p |
| 09:00.10 | simonrvn | nsadmin: hi |
| 09:00.42 | Nightmeister | :) |
| 09:00.54 | weltall2 | lol |
| 09:01.09 | rr0hit | chromium-browser (installed from repo) takes up memory (sleep state) even after closing it on my new squeeze installation. Anyone having the same problem? please check |
| 09:01.26 | Nightmeister | debian native repo? |
| 09:01.34 | rr0hit | Nightmeister: yes |
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| 09:01.40 | robert83a2 | hello, when DHCP server has multiple interfaces in different subnets, in config file I also specify multiple subnet ranges... will it automagically assigns those ranges on the correct interfaces ? ( for example 192.168.0.100-200 will be asigned over 192.168.0.250 , and 192.168.1.100-200 will be assigned on 192.168.1.250 ) |
| 09:02.00 | nsadmin | simonrvn: :P I'm workin on it :P |
| 09:02.01 | simonrvn | rr0hit: is it always like that? |
| 09:02.06 | simonrvn | nsadmin: :) |
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| 09:02.25 | rr0hit | simonrvn: yes. all the time |
| 09:03.00 | Nightmeister | strange, i have all the normal |
| 09:03.05 | nsadmin | my overall goal is to get my laptop to see all its partitions, but it seems like there are bugs in the bios... so I want to flash it |
| 09:03.32 | rr0hit | Nightmeister: no such problem for you? |
| 09:03.41 | Bushmills | "see partitions" from running operating system? |
| 09:03.43 | simonrvn | try moving your profile (~/.config/chromium/Default) over and try again. then start looking at any installed extensions. might also want to VACUUM your sqlite files. |
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| 09:03.55 | nsadmin | Bushmills, no, from boot loader |
| 09:04.05 | nsadmin | the kernel does see them |
| 09:04.13 | Bushmills | grub? |
| 09:04.17 | gnif | rr0hit, I find that when chromium is running and compilz is enabled that gnome-terminal is very sluggish to scroll/update |
| 09:04.27 | nsadmin | yes, both legacy and grub2 |
| 09:04.28 | gnif | but closing it fixes it |
| 09:04.30 | Nightmeister | rr0hit : yes, but i am using 2.6.37 kernel |
| 09:04.37 | Bushmills | should not be bios related |
| 09:04.49 | Bushmills | install os-prober and run update-grub |
| 09:05.14 | rr0hit | simonrvn: no extentions what so ever. ayways i'll try reseting my profile |
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| 09:05.50 | nsadmin | when I go to the grub shell upon boot and press tab in context of partitions, it doesn't show the partitions, like grub doesn't see them at all |
| 09:06.20 | nsadmin | bb soon... going to reboot so I can write this cd using the old thing |
| 09:06.32 | simonrvn | try load ext2 (or whatever fs you're using). you might need to load other things too. |
| 09:06.38 | simonrvn | damn |
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| 09:14.10 | Bushmills | there is no package with the name "damn" |
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| 09:17.28 | rozie | hello. do you have any idea how to make xscreensaver to count in joystick activity as activity? |
| 09:17.56 | ov3rmind | hello my friends nice morning and happy day to all ::) |
| 09:18.44 | rkeene | I'm having an issue getting Debian to install on a SPARC system. |
| 09:19.43 | jelly-home | rozie: maybe make it an input device for X? xserver-xorg-input-joystick |
| 09:19.50 | nevyn | rkeene: could you possibly be less specific?. |
| 09:20.24 | rkeene | http://www.rkeene.org/viewer/tmp/debian6-sparc.txt.htm |
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| 09:21.46 | rkeene | nevyn, I could... |
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| 09:22.54 | jelly-home | rkeene: have you tried booting etch or lenny on that machine? |
| 09:23.05 | rkeene | No |
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| 09:23.31 | jelly-home | sparc hardware support is likely sketchy as it is, and you seem to have a Fujitsu machine |
| 09:23.40 | jelly-home | !sparc |
| 09:23.41 | dpkg | [sparc] the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded systems usually run Solaris. For more information about SPARC, see http://www.sparc.org/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC . To install Debian, ask me about <install guide> and see http://wiki.debian.org/PortsSparc . For help with Debian on SPARC, join #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 09:24.36 | jelly-home | rkeene: I'd hunt for references on the sparc channel and misc linuxsparc mailing lists |
| 09:24.47 | nevyn | jelly-home: it's a sun. (well the remnants of sun.) |
| 09:25.10 | jelly-home | why does it say M5000, then |
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| 09:25.38 | rkeene | It's a Fujitsu M5000 that Sun resells as an M5000 |
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| 09:28.35 | guardian | hello, is there a way to know when the latest apt-get upgrade was issued and by which user (who has privileges)? |
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| 09:28.59 | rkeene | I am trying Lenny now |
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| 09:29.36 | b_jonas | guardian: try to figure it out from /var/log/apt/history.log |
| 09:29.45 | guardian | thx |
| 09:30.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | guardian: via sudo? it'll be logged in auth.log or syslog |
| 09:30.14 | rkeene | Same thing |
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| 09:34.01 | jnewt | took me all day to get my rsync backup scripts to work, turns out it can't handle large files. what a waste of time! |
| 09:34.37 | jnewt | anyone have an alternative for regular backups of large files? |
| 09:35.39 | valdyn | jnewt: why cant it handle large files? |
| 09:35.54 | valdyn | ( rsync sure can ) |
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| 09:36.40 | jnewt | there are bug reports on it, i have updated to 3.03, but i get failed to write, and broken pipe errors |
| 09:36.41 | Bushmills | jnewt: maybe you rsynced to a filesystem which doesn't support large files |
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| 09:36.55 | valdyn | jnewt: thats not the fault of rsync... |
| 09:37.25 | jnewt | Bushmills: both filesystems are ext3, both are in the same machine, and both are new, both are sata |
| 09:37.53 | Bushmills | how large is "large"? |
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| 09:38.54 | valdyn | ive been rsyncing large files forever |
| 09:39.24 | jnewt | the first one it is failing on is an mp3, probably 5-10M |
| 09:39.34 | valdyn | jnewt: that is not large |
| 09:39.56 | valdyn | jnewt: large file support means that some software supports files > 4G |
| 09:40.29 | jnewt | so, why can i copy from one directory to the other with cp, but rsync fails? |
| 09:41.15 | valdyn | jnewt: you didnt even tell us what youre doing, how can we possibly guess the solution? |
| 09:42.18 | jnewt | i am moving files from one drive to another, rsync -r /media/work/user_files/tina /media/personal/tina |
| 09:42.46 | jnewt | well, trying to :( |
| 09:43.01 | valdyn | jnewt: the complete error too please |
| 09:43.22 | jnewt | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:43.22 | jnewt | rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (171 bytes received so far) [sender] |
| 09:43.22 | jnewt | rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(635) [sender=3.0.3] |
| 09:43.22 | jnewt | NAS:/media/work/user_files/tinaignacio/My Music# sudo rsync -r /media/work/user_files/tinaignacio/ /media/personal/tina/ |
| 09:43.22 | jnewt | rsync: writefd_unbuffered failed to write 4 bytes [sender]: Broken pipe (32) |
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| 09:43.57 | jnewt | wow, it didn't look nearly that long on my ssh term, sorry. |
| 09:45.04 | slie | I am looking for a mentor, any one interested |
| 09:45.24 | valdyn | jnewt: there should be more output that is relevant |
| 09:45.40 | valdyn | jnewt: is that one or two phyisical harddisks both in the same debian system? |
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| 09:46.29 | jnewt | valdyn: that's the whole output, i can try increasing verbosity, and those are two physical harddisks, both in the same debian system |
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| 09:47.10 | valdyn | jnewt: is the error happening on the same file each time? |
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| 09:48.02 | jnewt | yes |
| 09:49.15 | valdyn | jnewt: which debian release? |
| 09:49.22 | jnewt | lenny |
| 09:49.40 | valdyn | jnewt: your machine has some issue |
| 09:49.53 | valdyn | jnewt: but im sure rsync can deal with any 10mb sized file |
| 09:50.07 | jnewt | yes, i know, i am looking for help tracking down that issue |
| 09:50.26 | slie | how come i can't connect to ports 6667 on any irc? i can only connect to irc.freenode.net 8001 |
| 09:50.32 | valdyn | jnewt: reboot once and see if it crashes at the same file |
| 09:51.09 | jnewt | ok... |
| 09:51.10 | valdyn | slie: "telnet ircserver 6667", see what you get |
| 09:51.45 | valdyn | jnewt: dmesg could show issues, but those issues shown there shouldnt make rsync crash |
| 09:52.46 | slie | valdyn, connection timed out just like when i type connect ircserver port |
| 09:52.56 | b_jonas | slie: maybe your employer firewalls it so that employees don't irc from work |
| 09:53.12 | project2501a | can someone confirm if there is a typo in /etc/default/nfs/kernel-server in squeeze? http://wiki.debian.org/?SecuringNFS <-- the question mark should not be there. |
| 09:53.13 | valdyn | slie: so something is filtering that port or the server has nothing on that port |
| 09:53.25 | Bushmills | slie: weren't you using a hetzner dedicated server as gateway? |
| 09:53.28 | b_jonas | slie: you tried multiple irc servers, right? |
| 09:53.32 | rkeene | I'm splitting this into quads, maybe it's having hardware problems on some CPUs |
| 09:53.39 | slie | b_jonas, on a campus network |
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| 09:54.02 | slie | b_jonas, yes every different server freenode 8001 is the only one i can connect to |
| 09:54.03 | b_jonas | slie: same thing. administrator filters it so you don't irc from there. |
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| 09:54.41 | valdyn | project2501a: confirmed |
| 09:54.56 | b_jonas | slie: you mean you also can't connect to tcp ports 6665, 6666, 7000, 7070, 8000, 8002? if so, the admins are getting better. |
| 09:55.06 | jnewt | valdyn: same error |
| 09:55.08 | slie | b_jonas, so is there a way to fix that? i'll probably just call it |
| 09:55.26 | project2501a | valdyn: cool it's in lenny as well. i will go see if the nfs-kernel-server maintainer is aware of it. |
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| 09:55.58 | b_jonas | slie: you could try to ask the administrator. depending on him, he might get angry and ban the rest of ports too, or tell you that ircing is not allowed. |
| 09:55.58 | slie | b_jonas, yep it tells me i can irc to 6660 - 6669 and tried all of them |
| 09:56.02 | project2501a | ooh! |
| 09:56.10 | b_jonas | 6660? really? |
| 09:56.11 | project2501a | packages.debian.org got a facelift! :D |
| 09:56.21 | b_jonas | I thoguht freenode doesn't listen to 6660 |
| 09:56.24 | b_jonas | but maybe that's changed |
| 09:56.28 | valdyn | judd: versions rsync |
| 09:56.30 | judd | Package rsync on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.3-2; lenny-backports: 3.0.7-1~bpo50+1; sid: 3.0.7-2; squeeze: 3.0.7-2; wheezy: 3.0.7-2 |
| 09:56.35 | project2501a | irc is the devils work |
| 09:56.53 | slie | b_jonas, not it's irc.hak5.org |
| 09:56.54 | b_jonas | slie: yep, it doesn't. try 7000, 7070, 8000, 8002 |
| 09:56.57 | b_jonas | oh |
| 09:57.00 | b_jonas | that's different |
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| 09:57.40 | b_jonas | anyway, you decide, either ask the administrator, or just keep using alternate ports (or proxies) and hope that you _are_ allowed to use irc or that the admin won't notice. |
| 09:58.09 | valdyn | jnewt: whats the filename? |
| 09:58.15 | project2501a | hmmm. report bug should be ported to the web |
| 09:58.17 | valdyn | jnewt: did you check the bts? |
| 09:58.23 | project2501a | not everybody is able to do email. |
| 09:58.34 | project2501a | but i guess it does cull the stupid... |
| 09:59.45 | slie | b_jonas, ill call it because 8001 is the only irc i'm able to connect to not even port 666* |
| 09:59.47 | Bushmills | project2501a: not everybody is able to report bugs |
| 10:00.19 | project2501a | as i said, it culls the stupid. |
| 10:00.24 | project2501a | hurr durr :D |
| 10:00.30 | Bushmills | not necessarily a matter of the medium used to report them |
| 10:00.33 | project2501a | and ubuntards. |
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| 10:00.40 | valdyn | jnewt: i think i did never see the last 2 lines of your error, since you got kicked, put it up on a paste site.. |
| 10:00.55 | slie | project2501a, what? |
| 10:01.02 | project2501a | ubuntards. |
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| 10:03.05 | jnewt | valdyn: http://codepad.org/gfvNguji |
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| 10:04.44 | valdyn | jnewt: skip the P |
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| 10:07.41 | valdyn | jnewt: i think you should probably just use the rsync from backports.org |
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| 10:09.17 | jnewt | valdyn: maybe i found the issue. look at this: http://codepad.org/lVCK7JRE it appears that something is wrong with the space on sdb sdb1 |
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| 10:09.44 | valdyn | jnewt: yes |
| 10:10.05 | jnewt | i'm not too sure, but it looks like sdb1 is formatted for 500.1GB drive, all cylinders, and the reported size is 1GB. am i seeing that right? |
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| 10:10.56 | valdyn | jnewt: no, its *partition* size is 500GB |
| 10:11.09 | valdyn | jnewt: that does not imply that the fs has any specific size |
| 10:11.15 | jnewt | the fs size is off then |
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| 10:11.30 | valdyn | jnewt: yea, delete and recreate the filesystem with mkfs.ext3 |
| 10:11.56 | jnewt | yeah, alright. that i can do. |
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| 10:12.50 | valdyn | jnewt: theres also a bug report that rsync does not report disk full properly |
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| 10:14.47 | maleknet | apache2: could not log pid to file /var/run/apache2.pid |
| 10:15.37 | maleknet | What does that mean |
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| 10:15.39 | maleknet | ? |
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| 10:16.12 | oxi | hi |
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| 10:16.42 | oxi | I'd like to make an easily accessible archive file of an ext3 filesystem. |
| 10:16.52 | oxi | What's the easiest way to achieve that? |
| 10:17.18 | oxi | In my archive I'd like to have the real authentic paths, not any mount paths. |
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| 10:22.28 | valdyn | !confuse oxi |
| 10:22.28 | dpkg | No, where is their hamster tomorrow, oxi? Pants of the Monarchy of Micronesia with extra anchovies. |
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| 10:22.48 | oxi | heh |
| 10:23.05 | valdyn | oxi: it means: I don't get what you want |
| 10:23.15 | oxi | haha, ok |
| 10:23.50 | oxi | valdyn: when tar'ing, gzip'ing, 7zip'ing, it saves the path/file structure |
| 10:23.53 | Bushmills | maleknet: as what user do you try to run apache? |
| 10:24.05 | Bushmills | s/run/start/ |
| 10:24.27 | maleknet | Bushmills: root |
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| 10:25.09 | Bushmills | maleknet: does there exist a /var/run/apache2.pid ? |
| 10:25.12 | valdyn | oxi: are you asking for a backup system that leaves files accessible as individual files? |
| 10:25.19 | maleknet | yes |
| 10:25.30 | Bushmills | is apache already running? |
| 10:25.34 | oxi | valdyn: if you mount some filesystem to some mount /mnt/foobar point and then compress it then you get /mnt/foobar ... ex: /mnt/foobar/var/lib/... ... added to your paths |
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| 10:25.51 | valdyn | oxi: no |
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| 10:26.09 | anarchos | so, i installed gnome-core and gdm3 on a fresh minimal install of Debian 6, and it all works well, except when I open a terminal, i just get a blank screen (like bash is not loading), GDM won't let me log in as root, and if i reboot GDM automatically starts....help? |
| 10:26.11 | valdyn | oxi: you can specify the parent |
| 10:26.23 | oxi | valdyn: hmm, then I failed :-) |
| 10:26.32 | valdyn | oxi: tar does not necesarily use / as the base |
| 10:26.39 | maleknet | Bushmills, yes |
| 10:26.45 | oxi | ok |
| 10:27.00 | oxi | then I didn't yet find out how to do it |
| 10:27.09 | valdyn | oxi: theres probably a command line switch too, read the docs, but cd /mnt/; tar path; will have path as parent, not /mnt/path |
| 10:27.12 | Bushmills | maleknet: so when is that error shown? |
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| 10:27.14 | anarchos | i dont see how i can fix the prob if i can't log in as root or open a terminal...! |
| 10:27.18 | thewanderer1 | anarchos: what prevents you from pressing ctrl+alt+f1 and logging in? |
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| 10:27.30 | oxi | I think there are some "relative" switches, but then you get ./var/lib and not /var/lib |
| 10:27.47 | Bushmills | anarchos: why would you want to log into an X session as root? be glad that gdm has been configured to prevent that. |
| 10:27.50 | thewanderer1 | oxi: you can turn off stripping the slash |
| 10:28.08 | anarchos | Bushmills: |
| 10:28.10 | oxi | thewanderer1: interesting, ok |
| 10:28.10 | maleknet | Bushmills, Oops Apache is not running |
| 10:28.27 | anarchos | Bushmills: thats fair enough, but if i cant open a terminal.... |
| 10:28.37 | anarchos | thewanderer1: what would that do? |
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| 10:28.51 | Bushmills | anarchos: how do you try to open a terminal? |
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| 10:29.40 | ATIM3 | I have Squeeze on a Dell Latitude C600 Pentium III laptop 256 MB RAM and i do not run kde or gnome. i am running a window manager called icewm but i would like to have a light X app that warns me about my battery being low. any recommendations? |
| 10:29.45 | ov3rmind | anyone with better pratice with wireless nets can give me one tip about problems with, "crda" calling under Brazil??? |
| 10:29.45 | valdyn | anarchos: you need a window manager or a desktop environment or both. In gdm you can select it. |
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| 10:30.44 | thewanderer1 | ATIM3: umm, not exactly a warning app, but conky is fine as a system monitor. for warning, I'd suggest your own daemon in bash (yes, it's workable) that will display a dialog box |
| 10:30.53 | maleknet | Bushmills, : when apache want to start |
| 10:31.50 | jnewt | valdyn: all is well, thanks for looking |
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| 10:32.56 | ATIM3 | thewanderer1, conky is not what i am after but could you tell this desktop newbie how do i gop about my own daemon in bash that will display a dialog box? |
| 10:34.03 | thewanderer1 | ATIM3: something like: while true; do ... read some /sys files here... calculate if you are low on battery ... display warning ...; sleep 60; done; |
| 10:34.46 | thewanderer1 | this also needs a variable added to prevent from alerting you every 60 sec |
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| 10:35.18 | thewanderer1 | but... if you implement an audible alert, you might want it to be triggered all the time... |
| 10:35.23 | ov3rmind | the gentoo and slack wireless work fine but in the debian this call for one crda to update anything and connection stop responding |
| 10:35.30 | ATIM3 | thewanderer1, sorry but all that sounds to geeky for desktop newbie like me |
| 10:35.35 | oxi | is it possible to tar a filesystem without mounting it? |
| 10:35.50 | thewanderer1 | oxi: you know, you can just dd it |
| 10:35.53 | valdyn | ATIM3: just install and run gkrellm |
| 10:35.56 | oxi | I mean tar paths/files of a filesystem without mounting it |
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| 10:36.15 | thewanderer1 | valdyn: I thought he said he wanted a notifier, I suggested conky but was not quite it |
| 10:36.24 | valdyn | ATIM3: plus theres various even smaller battery monitoring tools |
| 10:36.36 | valdyn | thewanderer1: yea, but i think there isnt one |
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| 10:37.05 | thewanderer1 | try ibam |
| 10:37.19 | thewanderer1 | I think I used that on Openbox on my laptop |
| 10:37.30 | oxi | thewanderer1: yeah, but there's no easy way to access files of a compressed dd'ed filesystem? |
| 10:37.49 | thewanderer1 | oxi: of course there isn't... it's compressed after all! |
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| 10:38.13 | oxi | ext3filsystem_dump.dd.bz2 or ext3filsystem_dump.dd.7z? |
| 10:38.26 | oxi | I don't have the space to dump the filesystem to pure dd |
| 10:38.34 | rr0hit | how soon after gnome 3 release would i get it in testing ? |
| 10:38.36 | valdyn | oxi: using a leading / in a tar archive is silly, why do you want it? |
| 10:38.52 | thewanderer1 | then just use tar and gzip :P |
| 10:39.01 | thewanderer1 | (it's faster than bz2) |
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| 10:39.15 | oxi | valdyn: I'm thinking that I'd have an "authentic" snapshot of the path structure |
| 10:39.17 | valdyn | oxi: at best its just dangerous, for no benefit |
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| 10:39.30 | oxi | I could just un7zip to / and filter out what I don't need |
| 10:39.33 | valdyn | oxi: its authentic enough without a leading / |
| 10:39.37 | rr0hit | how soon after gnome 3 release would i get it in Debian testing ? |
| 10:39.38 | oxi | valdyn: I see |
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| 10:40.10 | valdyn | oxi: if you extract that archive as root, not remembering what it contains |
| 10:40.18 | oxi | I see |
| 10:40.20 | valdyn | oxi: or not paying attention |
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| 10:40.27 | valdyn | oxi: then you will fuck your system |
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| 10:40.33 | oxi | true |
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| 10:45.16 | ATIM3 | valdyn, will gkrellm warn me if my battery is too low, for example, displaying a pop up window? |
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| 10:47.57 | asdxxpf | how i can change hostname without reboot? |
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| 10:52.27 | PrincipeDellaCol | Myztik, hi |
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| 10:54.18 | PrincipeDellaCol | jemark, hi. do you know well debian ? |
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| 10:56.39 | jemark | PrincipeDellaCol, just fine :) |
| 10:57.04 | m3asmi | how can I reconfigure my maiil comand |
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| 10:57.43 | PrincipeDellaCol | jemark, do you know login.defs file ? |
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| 10:58.22 | Bushmills | maleknet: is the file creation time of apache.pid the same time you started apache? |
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| 10:59.11 | m3asmi | anny idea ? |
| 10:59.23 | jemark | PrincipeDellaCol, http://www.linuxmanpages.com/man5/login.defs.5.php |
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| 11:01.02 | PrincipeDellaCol | jemark, I ream much doc about it. I addeD "DEFAULT_HOME no" entry into this file, but there is no home dir. check at login stage. what do you think ? Have you experience for it ? |
| 11:02.17 | PrincipeDellaCol | jemark, I need to check if home folder exists and it has correctly proper rights when user login |
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| 11:02.40 | valdyn | PrincipeDellaCol: why would you need to do that? |
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| 11:03.10 | joans | jelly-home: there? |
| 11:03.25 | valdyn | ATIM3: no it wont use popups |
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| 11:03.54 | PrincipeDellaCol | valdyn, because this ensure me more security; My company has several system administrators and errors are human ! jemark |
| 11:04.06 | valdyn | PrincipeDellaCol: thats silly |
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| 11:04.19 | valdyn | PrincipeDellaCol: theres alot of graver mistakes you administrators can do |
| 11:04.29 | valdyn | PrincipeDellaCol: you cannot check all of those |
| 11:05.12 | PrincipeDellaCol | valdyn, I think this is good starting point |
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| 11:05.19 | valdyn | PrincipeDellaCol: its useless |
| 11:05.27 | ATIM3 | valdyn, i need an app that display a pop up window or a warning message on my X session telling me the battery is low |
| 11:05.36 | valdyn | ATIM3: yea, i dont know about one |
| 11:05.51 | ATIM3 | valdyn, ok thanks for your time |
| 11:06.05 | valdyn | ATIM3: that means, not one that is not part of gnome or kde, youre using icewem though |
| 11:06.13 | PrincipeDellaCol | valdyn, this ensure more secority and it's healthing point. Do you know how to activate this check ? |
| 11:06.14 | jemark | PrincipeDellaCol, good question. I have no idea if the shadow password file has something to do with this question/// |
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| 11:06.43 | valdyn | PrincipeDellaCol: yes, i do know how to check, but i wont tell you, it wont do any good if you dont even know how to check permissions |
| 11:07.39 | valdyn | PrincipeDellaCol: use a tool like checksecurity and rkhunter, but dont start with something like checking home directory permissions |
| 11:08.22 | PrincipeDellaCol | jemark, I thought PAM module skips checks into login.defs |
| 11:08.25 | ATIM3 | valdyn, well i am after an app that displays a pop up window or a warning message on my X session telling me the battery is low. That app must depend on either gnome or kde running but if it depends on some gnome or kde libraries, that is fine |
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| 11:09.34 | ATIM3 | sorry about the typo. I should have said: That app must NOT depend on either gnome or kde running but if it depends on some gnome or kde libraries, that is fine |
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| 11:09.40 | jemark | PrincipeDellaCol, i would say that valdyn has a point. you can use those tools. |
| 11:09.42 | PrincipeDellaCol | valdyn, my scope is more wide. I should tell about my sshd service (into chroot with RBASH) which is available for remote user only for scp operations |
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| 11:10.53 | slie | anyone wan't a mentee? i got the idea from being so many mentee's mentor in calculus |
| 11:11.06 | jemark | PrincipeDellaCol, http://nixdoc.net/Linux-Howtos/Secure-Programs-HOWTO/index.html |
| 11:11.19 | PrincipeDellaCol | jemark, I'd to be sure user have proper rights. It's true that I'm myself to create this external user but more checking don't create problems |
| 11:11.49 | PrincipeDellaCol | jemark, I'm checking it |
| 11:12.03 | PrincipeDellaCol | valdyn, , I'm checking it |
| 11:12.06 | jelly-home | joans: occasionally. Ask the whole channel, there might be someone else knowledgeable enough. |
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| 11:16.08 | slie | no one cares about the youth... |
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| 11:19.47 | simonrvn | slie: you want a mentor for what exactly? you didn't say anything about that. |
| 11:20.00 | joans | jelly-home: i just remebered you said i should get my own vKVM if my Provider doesnt offer one, so you might also know a certain name of one that would work.......... |
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| 11:20.28 | PrincipeDellaCol | jemark, It's big book. |
| 11:20.37 | PrincipeDellaCol | jemark, in hp-ux I have this possibility |
| 11:20.42 | simonrvn | you can't just go "no one cares" when you haven't been very helpful yourself |
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| 11:21.03 | PrincipeDellaCol | jemark, if you see login.defs offers this option but it doen't work |
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| 11:21.12 | Ecco | joans: What's a vKVM ? |
| 11:21.38 | TimmyT | HOw to install Skype on Squeeze 64 bit edition? |
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| 11:22.08 | thewanderer1 | TimmyT: this is not Debian software. refer to Skype's documentation. |
| 11:22.29 | thewanderer1 | (or switch to Jingle over XMPP) |
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| 11:24.58 | slie | I'm looking for a mentore, a real mentor would know the benifite to being a mentor |
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| 11:26.46 | geekie | Of course. Less ubuntu-topics when googeling :p |
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| 11:35.02 | jelly-home | joans: which server model do you have? All but low-end Proliants have their iLO remote management system, which provides access to console, remote power, booting off remote .iso and other features |
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| 11:36.11 | joans | jelly-home:dl180 g6 |
| 11:36.37 | jelly-home | joans: hmyeah, DL180 is entry level |
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| 11:37.29 | jelly-home | joans: check whether your machine has iLO |
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| 11:44.53 | PrincipeDellaCol | Perche' le modifiche al file lgin.defs non hanno effetto ? Ho aggiunto "DEFAULT_HOME no". |
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| 11:47.11 | jelly-home | joans: I've no idea, only dealt with iLO and iLO2 |
| 11:47.32 | jelly-home | joans: both of which provided console access |
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| 11:54.37 | studentz | Installing debian sq double boot ubuntu/debiansq Do I need a new swap partition or can I use swat partition from ubuntu? |
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| 11:58.51 | petemc | studentz: if you're using debian, sure |
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| 11:59.47 | studentz | petemc I want to install debian sq dual boot |
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| 12:00.42 | Coded1 | studentz, is your drive already partitioned? |
| 12:00.50 | petemc | studentz: you should be able to share a swap partition |
| 12:00.54 | studentz | petemc two separate HD Ubuntu is already in one and it has a swap primary partition |
| 12:01.18 | studentz | petemec the second HD is for debian |
| 12:01.59 | studentz | I'm installing and I'm creating three partitions / /home /swap |
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| 12:02.18 | studentz | petemec Do I need to create the new swap partition? |
| 12:02.33 | Coded1 | the swap won't matter, which ever distro loads it should just use any available swap thats around |
| 12:03.01 | studentz | Coded1 th :) |
| 12:03.11 | Coded1 | np |
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| 12:17.23 | studentz | Hi there again I'm installing 64 bit But ftp.us.debian.org does not support it ? which mirror I should use I'm in USA |
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| 12:18.02 | d1b | !cdn |
| 12:18.02 | dpkg | [cdn] Package <changelogs> are available at http://changelogs.debian.net/ . For information on cdn.debian.net, ask me about <geo sources.list>. |
| 12:18.13 | d1b | !geo sources.list |
| 12:18.13 | dpkg | To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, you can use a Geo-IP service from cdn.debian.net. An example line for your sources.list is "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main". See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror for more information, or ask me about <sources.list>. Don't use this with Google DNS or similar. |
| 12:18.17 | d1b | studentz: ^ |
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| 12:23.21 | nsadmin | what are the options around resizing an ntfs? I defragged it under windows, I need to take somewhere between a half gig and a gig off the top of the ~30g partition so I can finish a squeeze install I'm working on |
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| 12:25.12 | petemc | if its vista or win7 then its probably safest to resize within windows |
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| 12:32.10 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: with Windows 7 the built-in resizer in d-i worked flawlessly for me |
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| 12:38.06 | nsadmin | thewanderer1, hmm... I have xp; maybe that could work... |
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| 12:43.20 | lcb | Hi. is it possible to show dependencies of a package compiled and installed by ourselves? 'aptitude show' gets dependencies from the one in repository. |
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| 12:48.59 | thewanderer1 | where in Debian, say, some UTF-8 browsers, can I find the English phonetic alphabet? |
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| 12:51.42 | acperkins | thewanderer1, do you mean the IPA symbols? |
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| 12:51.54 | thewanderer1 | acperkins: yes |
| 12:52.10 | thewanderer1 | would also be good to have a converter / local database |
| 12:52.17 | acperkins | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English |
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| 12:53.51 | thewanderer1 | no local tables? |
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| 12:58.52 | Psi-Jack | Anyone know how to get Japanese input support installed for Debian? |
| 12:59.03 | cantido | Psi-Jack: install imbus and anthy |
| 12:59.39 | cantido | Psi-Jack: if you dont have a japanese local as default you need to use im-switch to wire everything up to start imbus IIRC |
| 13:00.11 | Psi-Jack | Yeah, Japanese support is so I can actually type in Japanese when I need to, but it's not the system default. |
| 13:00.29 | Psi-Jack | I did aptitude search imbus, but it had no results. |
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| 13:00.56 | cantido | imbus + anthy, use im-config to configure it by the look of it |
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| 13:01.05 | eni23 | hello at all. does someone knows a good modern webmail-client for debian/apache? right now i'm using squirrelmail but my users want something more user-friendly and better looking. |
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| 13:01.15 | cantido | Psi-Jack: sorry, ibus |
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| 13:01.21 | Psi-Jack | ibus, yes. That I do see. :) |
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| 13:02.32 | romel | hi guys. How can I switch to the usb audio device as a default sound output? |
| 13:04.10 | valdyn | !asoundrc |
| 13:04.23 | romel | !asoundrc |
| 13:04.23 | valdyn | romel: depends |
| 13:04.36 | valdyn | romel: i mean, you can, but the how depends |
| 13:05.05 | Psi-Jack | Hmmm |
| 13:05.16 | Psi-Jack | When I try to install im-switch, it wants to remove im-config? |
| 13:05.40 | cantido | Psi-Jack: use im-config I think |
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| 13:05.58 | romel | valdyn: depends on what? |
| 13:06.23 | petemc | eni23: roundcube |
| 13:06.29 | valdyn | romel: which sound system do you use? |
| 13:06.30 | cantido | Psi-Jack: I think im-config has replaced im-switch.. anyhow, at least it isnt as hard to configure as it was a few years ago.. ;) |
| 13:06.40 | romel | valdyn: alsa |
| 13:06.53 | valdyn | romel: http://seehuhn.de/pages/alsa |
| 13:06.54 | Psi-Jack | heh, yeah, this is with Debian 6.0 on my netbook. |
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| 13:10.11 | eni23 | petemc: thanks. thinkedabout roundcube before. but what's about security? ive got a lot of apache-log-entrys triying to access /roundcube/ even whitout an installation |
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| 13:10.54 | cantido | eni23: I see that sort of stuff for all sorts of things.. phpmyadmin etc |
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| 13:11.23 | valdyn | !dmix |
| 13:11.23 | dpkg | from memory, dmix is an <ALSA> subsystem which allows an audio device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix or another sample asound.conf at http://img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 13:11.45 | eni23 | cantido: true. but roundcube is really on top of the list |
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| 13:12.11 | petemc | eni23: probably looking for old versions, if you use debian packaged version and keep it up to date you should be ok |
| 13:12.17 | cantido | eni23: mmm you can google up the general opinion of it though, if its in debian its "supported" |
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| 13:13.11 | thewanderer1 | eni23: one of the last versions had a security hole, it's patched now |
| 13:17.01 | cantido | With the kernels internal initramfs thing.. you supply the files etc during kernel build, how are you meant to add modules from the kernel build? |
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| 13:19.21 | Psi-Jack | Okay, so I have the input tray icon up now, but clicking on it just gives me "No input window", so I right-clicked, Preferences, Input Methods, and added Japanese-Anthy |
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| 13:19.59 | ali3n0 | hi guys. Just upgraded to squeeze but my raid configuration has been overridden |
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| 13:20.53 | ali3n0 | md0 (root partition) has been recreated in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf but the other one (md1) has just disappeared |
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| 13:21.33 | ROosy | hello |
| 13:22.00 | ROosy | i search for run X in chroot 32bits on vt9, i use squeeze amd64 |
| 13:22.21 | ROosy | now, i have /dev/fb0 file not found |
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| 13:22.48 | ROosy | but i have create this with mknod |
| 13:22.53 | thewanderer1 | ROosy: mount --bind /dev ... |
| 13:23.06 | ROosy | thewanderer1: this mount is ok |
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| 13:23.11 | valdyn | ROosy: why would you use fb0? |
| 13:23.15 | eni23 | thewanderer1: thanks |
| 13:23.20 | ROosy | i have /dev/ati/card0 |
| 13:23.42 | ROosy | valdyn: is not me, is my X chroot |
| 13:24.15 | valdyn | ROosy: hows that relevant? fb0 is a slow framebuffer and amd64 its not going to be fast or useful |
| 13:25.03 | ROosy | yes but my chroot squeeze 32bits gnome wanna /dev/fb0...... |
| 13:25.21 | valdyn | ROosy: then your X is badly configured |
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| 13:26.05 | ROosy | i can force my X chroot for use /dev/ati/card0 ? |
| 13:26.10 | valdyn | ROosy: in or outside that chroot X should work the same, and it should be using the ati card |
| 13:26.37 | valdyn | ROosy: *but* I have no idea if ati supports this having 32-bit X on a 64-bit debian |
| 13:26.59 | valdyn | ROosy: and if ati does not support this, then you should find a better solution |
| 13:27.04 | ROosy | yes the problem, is install ati drivers in chroot 32bits can't work because the kernel is 64.... how i can make this ? |
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| 13:27.26 | valdyn | ROosy: which problem are you trying to solve with that chroot environment? |
| 13:27.43 | ROosy | valdyn: play old emulator psone :) |
| 13:27.58 | valdyn | ROosy: why would you need to run X in a chroot for that? |
| 13:28.01 | Psi-Jack | cantido: Also I notice in the available input methods, I can't add anything BUT Japanese-Anthy, which means I couldn't do anything but Japanese if I set itup fully as-is./ |
| 13:28.18 | ROosy | valdyn: old emulator can't run in 64bits env |
| 13:28.31 | valdyn | ROosy: X is not an n-bit env |
| 13:28.57 | ROosy | pcsx can't run in 64bits |
| 13:29.01 | valdyn | ROosy: it can run in a 32-bit X just like in a 64-bit windows or *whatever* |
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| 13:29.15 | valdyn | ROosy: youre not understanding how X works |
| 13:29.44 | valdyn | ROosy: "aptitude install ia32-libs" and run it in your normal X |
| 13:29.49 | ROosy | i understand when forum pcsx say, not run in 64bits mode, create a chroot |
| 13:30.08 | valdyn | ROosy: how us that documentation |
| 13:30.11 | valdyn | ROosy: show us that documentation |
| 13:30.48 | valdyn | ROosy: it can make sense to run the app in a chroot, but that does *not* mean that X needs to run in that chroot |
| 13:31.08 | thewanderer1 | he will still need drivers in the chroot tho |
| 13:31.32 | valdyn | he needs the 32-bit glx libraries |
| 13:31.35 | ROosy | in the wiki google code pcx2 |
| 13:31.49 | valdyn | ROosy: show us the URL |
| 13:31.59 | valdyn | ROosy: im not asking for help, im not going to google for you |
| 13:32.29 | ROosy | yes valdyn sure |
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| 13:32.38 | valdyn | thewanderer1: that would be fglrx-glx-ia32 for fglrx |
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| 13:33.08 | ROosy | i am in kvm vm console, not easy to past my host link.... |
| 13:33.09 | valdyn | ROosy: and start your normal X and run your psone and show us the error youre getting |
| 13:33.22 | thewanderer1 | valdyn: ,version fglrx-glx-ia32 |
| 13:33.27 | thewanderer1 | errr |
| 13:33.32 | thewanderer1 | you no bot |
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| 13:33.39 | valdyn | oo |
| 13:33.41 | thewanderer1 | ,version fglrx-glx-ia32 |
| 13:33.59 | thewanderer1 | ,versions fglrx-glx-ia32 |
| 13:34.00 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'fglrx-glx-ia32' was found in i386. |
| 13:34.16 | thewanderer1 | this is an amd64 package, as I thought |
| 13:34.51 | valdyn | ROosy: anyway, apps dont display via library calls directly, but via sockets or network, the 32-bit or 64-bit does not matter as long has just the libraries for both are installed |
| 13:34.57 | ROosy | humm i return here in ssh |
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| 13:35.54 | ROosy | valdyn: my error is |
| 13:36.05 | ROosy | Error: Unable to initialize gtk, is DISPLAY set properly? |
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| 13:36.30 | thewanderer1 | ROosy: did you copy .Xauthority to the chroot? |
| 13:36.37 | valdyn | ROosy: you cannot be starting psone from a stock X terminal |
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| 13:36.53 | valdyn | ROosy: if youre still involving the chroot, stop it, start psone from the main system |
| 13:37.21 | Psi-Jack | cantido: Hmmm, okay. Well, that's working now it seems, but fonts are lacking it seems. |
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| 13:39.40 | valdyn | ROosy: where did you download that emulator btw? |
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| 13:40.56 | valdyn | ROosy: i found epsxe, that one wont work with debian packages at all since gtk1 is no longer supported in debian |
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| 13:46.03 | linduxed | hey guys, i just noticed that the current version of bitlbee in lenny is a bit old, what's the best way of getting a hold of the later/latest version? |
| 13:46.08 | linduxed | is it sid? |
| 13:46.22 | linduxed | if that's the case, is there a good guide on how to install from there? |
| 13:46.25 | valdyn | linduxed: squeeze is the latest debian stable release |
| 13:46.35 | valdyn | judd: versions bitlbee |
| 13:46.37 | judd | Package bitlbee on i386 -- lenny: 1.2.3-1; lenny-backports: 1.2.7-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.2.8-1; wheezy: 1.2.8-1; sid: 3.0.1-1 |
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| 13:47.39 | fcn | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en I have my iso downloaded and I have a 4 gb usb stick but I only have windows installed on this machine. how can I make and installation usb stick on windows? |
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| 13:50.01 | linduxed | valdyn: oh wait.... a new release?? |
| 13:50.05 | linduxed | valdyn: when? |
| 13:50.05 | aguitel | fcn, live image? |
| 13:50.24 | valdyn | linduxed: /topic |
| 13:50.48 | linduxed | valdyn: thx |
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| 13:55.05 | Wi-Fail | Hi, I need some help because my wi-fi doesn't work well |
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| 13:56.10 | Wi-Fail | I have a P5Q3 deluxe Wi-Fi so the driver should be RT2570sta |
| 13:56.44 | fcn | aguitel: ? weekly testing iso |
| 13:56.59 | Wi-Fail | I did as wiki explained and now my card is detected |
| 13:57.51 | aguitel | fcn, if you use live cd image from squeeze it can be grab with unetbootin under windows |
| 13:57.53 | Wi-Fail | The problem is that I fond the wi-fi network but can't connect |
| 13:58.36 | fcn | aguitel: I will use the usb stick to install on another machine with no connection |
| 13:58.39 | cahoot | Wi-Fail: firmware needed and in place? |
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| 13:58.51 | Wi-Fail | No matter what encryption I use it can't connect |
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| 13:59.15 | aguitel | fcn, this guide works under linux |
| 13:59.28 | fcn | aguitel: appereantly |
| 13:59.59 | aguitel | fcn, console under linux debian |
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| 14:01.17 | Wi-Fail | I dosables ipv6 and now I can detect the BSSID as well but still can't connect |
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| 14:02.15 | cahoot | Wi-Fail: does the device need firmware? if so - is the firmware installed? |
| 14:02.43 | Wi-Fail | Any idea how I can solve this? |
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| 14:03.27 | cahoot | Wi-Fail: unplug/replug the thing and run dmesg| tail -n 20 - any complaints? ... also answering questions might help helping |
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| 14:04.00 | Wi-Fail | yes, it nerfs ralink-firmware which I installed |
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| 14:04.14 | cahoot | Wi-Fail: unplug/replug the thing and run dmesg| tail -n 20 - any complaints? |
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| 14:05.00 | Wi-Fail | But I dl it from packages.debian and then installed the .deb |
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| 14:10.53 | Wi-Fail | Sorry I had a dc |
| 14:11.37 | Wi-Fail | So, the driver needs ralink-firmware which i installed from packages.debian |
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| 14:12.37 | Wi-Fail | I also tried to do it the way it worked previously (When I was on Ubuntu), but it didn't help |
| 14:13.07 | uoods | Wi-Fail: is the interface on? |
| 14:13.25 | Wi-Fail | I think so |
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| 14:13.47 | uoods | Wi-Fail: ok, pastebin output of iwconfig <interface> |
| 14:14.08 | Wi-Fail | The output is a bit weird |
| 14:14.11 | Wi-Fail | I mean it changes |
| 14:14.20 | uoods | Wi-Fail: what do you mean by "can't connect"? Is it able to associate but not getting an ip? |
| 14:14.39 | linduxed | ok for some reason my upgrade from lenny to squeeze seems to get stuck on "Starting XMail..." |
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| 14:14.55 | linduxed | any way to fix this? |
| 14:15.17 | linduxed | uninstalling xmail? |
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| 14:15.42 | Wi-Fail | Not sure, where's the problem, I only use network manager |
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| 14:16.10 | Wi-Fail | uood: (I need to copy the iwconfig output since i'm in another computer) |
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| 14:16.46 | uoods | Wi-Fail: why not connect that comp using wire for now? |
| 14:17.06 | sdi | Hi.debian folks.I use a DVD labeled with debian 5.0.4 installing |
| 14:17.27 | sdi | how does it decide to install grub or grub2? |
| 14:17.31 | Wi-Fail | Desktop + I don't have any 10m ethernet cable |
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| 14:17.49 | sdi | Sometime it install grub while sometime it install grub2! |
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| 14:18.07 | sdi | this bother me |
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| 14:20.45 | Wi-Fail | uoods: http://pastebin.com/upkV4u3n Output when i'm trying to connect |
| 14:20.52 | uoods | Wi-Fail: have you looked at this yet? http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 14:21.21 | uoods | Wi-Fail: so HOMENET is your AP right? |
| 14:21.30 | Wi-Fail | Yes |
| 14:21.44 | cahoot | Wi-Fail: (third try) unplug/replug the thing and run dmesg| tail -n 20 - any complaints? |
| 14:21.49 | themill | sdi: if you choose to install lenny or oldstable, you'll get grub; if you choose to install squeeze or stable, you'll get grub2. |
| 14:21.52 | uoods | so you're connected or associated |
| 14:22.08 | Wi-Fail | It's connected to the motherboard |
| 14:22.18 | Wi-Fail | Not an usb/pcmcia thing |
| 14:22.36 | linduxed | ok so it seems like i can't upgrade according to this thread http://www.mail-archive.com/xmail%40xmailserver.org/msg17178.html |
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| 14:22.42 | sdi | I didnt see any option available for *choosing* lenny or squeeze on that 5.0.4 DVD |
| 14:22.48 | cahoot | Wi-Fail: try unload/reload the module then run dmesg| tail -n 20 - any complaints? |
| 14:23.17 | thewanderer1 | sdi: run expert mode and it will ask you if you want GRUB or GRUB2 |
| 14:23.18 | linduxed | for some reason libc is upgraded before xmail, but it can't start up xmail due to some deprecation i think |
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| 14:23.19 | Wi-Fail | Yes, gives an output |
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| 14:23.46 | linduxed | so now i can't figure out how to get my upgrade going |
| 14:24.07 | uoods | Wi-Fail: well... what does it say? |
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| 14:24.55 | Wi-Fail | Quite a few lines |
| 14:24.58 | sdi | well,thewanderer1 ,but why it choosed to install grub while it's labeled a official 5.0.4 DVD?any more clues? |
| 14:24.59 | oobe | i dont like upstart does squeeze or any other debian variation use upstart by default like ubuntu? |
| 14:25.13 | Wi-Fail | i'll get an USB so i can pastebin the output |
| 14:25.15 | sdi | sry |
| 14:25.22 | sdi | I mean grub2 |
| 14:25.51 | cahoot | Wi-Fail: anything looking like error? |
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| 14:26.42 | sdi | without entering expert mode,it already choose grub2,it's unresonable because it's a 5.0.4 DVD |
| 14:26.44 | asdxxpf | how i can check which folder belongs to which partition? |
| 14:26.54 | thewanderer1 | sdi: because it is semi-intelligent and GRUB2 works in Lenny as well |
| 14:27.05 | thewanderer1 | it knows what is good for you :P |
| 14:27.14 | sdi | thewanderer1: u serious? |
| 14:27.48 | sdi | by what criteria it decide that |
| 14:27.58 | sdi | I am very curious |
| 14:28.33 | thewanderer1 | probably partition types and LVM/RAID |
| 14:28.51 | thewanderer1 | as GRUB1 is very unlikely to boot off mdraid, LVM or ext4 |
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| 14:29.04 | Wi-Fail | uoods: cahoot: Here's the output http://pastebin.com/BXvkSfe2 |
| 14:29.23 | sdi | ok thewanderer1 |
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| 14:31.05 | uoods | does the AP use WPA/WEP/open? |
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| 14:33.02 | Wi-Fail | tried with all |
| 14:33.17 | lapfrog | hi guys. i have a widescreen monitor with 1680 pixel width. on the console, only half of this width is used, so i figured, might as well use the other half. so my question is -- is there a way to turn the console terminal into two terminals? |
| 14:33.23 | lapfrog | split vertically at the half |
| 14:33.30 | Wi-Fail | Can change it if you want |
| 14:33.48 | Wi-Fail | lapfrog: There's a nice app called terminator... r you can try screen |
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| 14:34.02 | lapfrog | terminator - gotcha |
| 14:34.05 | lapfrog | gonna check it out |
| 14:34.15 | Wi-Fail | (uoods: I'll try something but I have to go for now) |
| 14:34.21 | Wi-Fail | Thanks for the help |
| 14:34.30 | uoods | np |
| 14:34.58 | armetiz | Hi there, |
| 14:35.05 | armetiz | I want to configure an IP Alias on eth0 |
| 14:35.09 | armetiz | but it doesn't work |
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| 14:35.32 | uoods | !does not work |
| 14:35.33 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 14:35.40 | armetiz | I have change /etc/network/internet |
| 14:35.49 | armetiz | and use auto eth0:1 |
| 14:35.55 | armetiz | iface eth0:1 inet static.... |
| 14:36.05 | armetiz | but, on reboot, I don't see eth0:1 |
| 14:36.10 | armetiz | where can I look error message ? |
| 14:36.42 | armetiz | when I use /etc/init.d/network restart |
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| 14:36.49 | armetiz | I find Failed to bring up eth0:1 |
| 14:37.21 | uoods | shouldn't it be /etc/networks/interfaces? |
| 14:37.28 | lwithers | armetiz: perhaps the parameters for the interface are wrong; can you pastebin /etc/network/interfaces somewhere? |
| 14:37.34 | uoods | pastebin the relevant stanza |
| 14:38.18 | armetiz | Yes I can |
| 14:38.21 | armetiz | here the pastebin : http://pastebin.com/g8kmRnHB |
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| 14:38.40 | armetiz | it's in /etc/network/interface sorry for the mistetake |
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| 14:42.21 | lwithers | hmm, I can't see anything obviously wrong with it, though network/broadcast don't normally need to be specified |
| 14:43.16 | lwithers | do check that the address you've specified does correspond to the network and broadcast; if they are wrong then the kernel won't let you configure the interface |
| 14:43.20 | armetiz | I'm trying to remove network / brdcast |
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| 14:43.42 | lwithers | also, just to be sure, you're not trying to configure the same IP address on both eth0 and eth0:1, are you? |
| 14:44.20 | armetiz | I'm not :) |
| 14:44.31 | armetiz | And, yes the IP Addres is inside the subnetwork.. |
| 14:44.57 | armetiz | that's why it sound crayz.. |
| 14:44.59 | armetiz | crazy |
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| 14:45.26 | armetiz | Oh, it work |
| 14:45.35 | armetiz | I have remove networkn & Brdcast adresse.. |
| 14:45.35 | uoods | heh |
| 14:45.59 | armetiz | IP Alias doesn't need brdcast & network ? |
| 14:45.59 | armetiz | :s |
| 14:46.05 | lwithers | OK, I know it would fail if they were invalid, but I have never tried using them in practice |
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| 14:46.37 | lwithers | network and broadcast aren't really needed these days, they fall out of the subnet mask |
| 14:46.38 | uoods | armetiz: I think the network is not needed |
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| 14:46.58 | lwithers | network address is prefix with the masked bits all 0, broadcast is prefix with masked bits all 1 |
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| 14:48.06 | armetiz | yes I know, but I think that is was a good thing to specify it |
| 14:48.25 | lwithers | well, I guess not :^) |
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| 14:52.54 | armetiz | okay |
| 14:52.59 | armetiz | thanks for your help ;) |
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| 14:56.25 | Python132O | debian, even my phone runs later kernel than my server |
| 14:56.38 | Python132O | and I'm on testing :C |
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| 14:56.58 | thewanderer1 | Python132O: what do you think kernel-package is for? |
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| 14:57.26 | thewanderer1 | besides, servers are supposed to be stable. most RHEL guys and VPS providers rely on 2.6.18... |
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| 14:58.26 | cantido | thewanderer1: 2.6.18 is like RHEL4 though.. |
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| 14:58.51 | thewanderer1 | no, RHEL5 :P |
| 14:59.17 | thewanderer1 | anyway, you can compile any version you like |
| 14:59.38 | cahoot | Python132O: do you miss any crucial function in the servers kernel? |
| 14:59.52 | cantido | if all your tools are for 2.6.18 that might be easier said than done |
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| 15:00.08 | uoods | he's baiting |
| 15:00.28 | thewanderer1 | so where's the worm? |
| 15:00.28 | cahoot | maybe use the phone as server? |
| 15:00.33 | cantido | Python132O: your phone is android or maemo (etc)? |
| 15:01.06 | cantido | Newer kernels are in experimental.. I think that 2.6.37 has moved into sid now anyhow |
| 15:01.18 | cantido | or maybe its 2.6.38-rc something |
| 15:01.34 | Python132O | Sorry, had to answer a phone. I was obviously just joking. |
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| 15:02.13 | cantido | joking or just bullshitting for effect? |
| 15:02.27 | marshalmc | i have a program that needs a gui but i haven't installed any window managers or anything |
| 15:02.40 | marshalmc | should i just install vnc server and twm or something? |
| 15:02.45 | cantido | thewanderer1: looking it up.. RHEL seems to be stuck on some really shitty kernel versions heh |
| 15:03.07 | cantido | marshalmc: you should be able to use X11 forwarding over SSH |
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| 15:04.14 | Python132O | Canar, I'm sorry for trying to be funny. I just found it amusing to find a later kernel from my phone. |
| 15:04.25 | Python132O | I know debian isn't exactly targeted for the bleeding edge. |
| 15:04.26 | marshalmc | don't happen to know if you know how to do x11 forwarding in putty on windows |
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| 15:04.42 | themill | ,kernel --release sid |
| 15:04.43 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.37-1-686 (2.6.37-1) |
| 15:05.44 | cantido | Python132O: the bleeding edge of debian has the "latest and greatest kernel" or latest -.1 |
| 15:05.50 | cantido | -.01 I mean |
| 15:06.05 | Python132O | fine, debian also has bleeding edge |
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| 15:18.21 | asdxxpf | how to change hostname without rebooting? debian 5 , lenny |
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| 15:18.51 | cantido | man hostname |
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| 15:21.42 | asdxxpf | oh, really? |
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| 15:24.37 | jelly-home | asdxxpf: also, /msg dpkg hostname |
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| 15:42.04 | boota2 | Hello, I've got a problem with configuring access to subversion repository via apache2. I installed apache2 modules "dav_module", "dav_svn_module", "authz_svn_module", added code snippet to apache2.conf http://pastebin.com/A0HsQX7r , added user test via sudo htpasswd -c /etc/subversion/passwd user_name, but I when i do "svn co http://192.168.7.1/svn/myproject --username test" I get "svn: Could |
| 15:42.04 | boota2 | not open the requested SVN filesystem". |
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| 15:48.08 | thewanderer1 | hey, what... I've just opened the Plugins tab in Iceweasel on Squeeze default GNOME install and what do I see? DivX web player? iTunes application detector? QuickTime plug-in? Windows Media Player? Shockwave Flash? VLC? w00t! |
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| 15:49.27 | nsadmin | hi, I just installed squeeze with a wired net connection, and it looks like I can't control it at all, either by /etc/init.d/networking, network manager, or ifup/down... what is starting the connection? |
| 15:49.28 | eshat | thewanderer1: maybe you have mozplugger installed ? |
| 15:49.30 | Arrowmaster | well the flash one is just swfdec which cant handle recent flash, and the others are probably just from what xine right? |
| 15:50.10 | nsadmin | ifup claims eth0 is unknown, while /etc/network/interfaces has it (with #networkmanager#) right in that file |
| 15:50.31 | nsadmin | what's going on? |
| 15:50.39 | Arrowmaster | nsadmin: so network manager commented out the line in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:50.49 | Arrowmaster | you need to bring it up using network manager |
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| 15:51.10 | boota2 | Can you help me with configuring svn? |
| 15:51.18 | nsadmin | oh, right... I mistakenly thought of it as /*networkmanager*/ |
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| 15:51.39 | Arrowmaster | network manager does that now, its a bitch |
| 15:51.46 | nsadmin | networkmanager doesn't seem to have it listed either, not to where I can edit |
| 15:51.50 | thewanderer1 | what, it comments out interfaces? |
| 15:51.54 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 15:51.59 | thewanderer1 | wtf, on its own? |
| 15:51.59 | nsadmin | maybe I have to run nm as root? |
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| 15:52.08 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: uncomment that interface in /etc/network/interfaces... |
| 15:52.22 | thewanderer1 | you don't have any reason to run n-m with wired |
| 15:52.38 | nsadmin | welll, I would actually like to add it to nm since this is a laptop and it can go places |
| 15:52.55 | thewanderer1 | hm... so it should already be managing that |
| 15:52.59 | thewanderer1 | by default it does |
| 15:53.00 | Arrowmaster | actually you do, crap depends on network manager now knowing the state of the net connection |
| 15:53.07 | nsadmin | that's what I suspect... |
| 15:53.15 | thewanderer1 | eh |
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| 15:53.22 | nsadmin | so I have to run it as root? |
| 15:53.24 | Arrowmaster | strange that network manager doesnt see the wired connection at all |
| 15:53.24 | thewanderer1 | I always end up removing that... |
| 15:53.27 | Arrowmaster | you shouldnt |
| 15:53.35 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: you need to run the daemon as root, but the interface is as user |
| 15:53.38 | themill | points to /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian |
| 15:53.53 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: you need to be in netdev group... and yeah, what themill said |
| 15:54.11 | nsadmin | themill: you mean... there's something actually useful in there?! |
| 15:55.22 | nsadmin | the user is already in netdev |
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| 15:55.44 | thewanderer1 | er, so how are people now supposed to run ethernet on ifupdown and WiFi on n-m? |
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| 15:56.29 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: and do you see a "wired network" section when you click the n-m applet? |
| 15:56.34 | Arrowmaster | i dont think they are since things dont play nice with that kinda setup |
| 15:57.00 | thewanderer1 | that sucks |
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| 15:57.39 | boota2 | Once again, I get "svn: Could not open the requested SVN filesystem" then i do ""svn co http://192.168.7.1/svn/myproject --username test" on a test machine... |
| 15:58.28 | Alam_Squeeze | boota2: apache2 with dav_svn? |
| 15:58.33 | boota2 | Yeah. |
| 15:59.02 | Alam_Squeeze | does the username/group the apache2 process running as is allow to read/write the Subversion repo? |
| 15:59.07 | Alam_Squeeze | .. |
| 15:59.17 | boota2 | it does. |
| 15:59.55 | boota2 | I even chmoded it to 777, still no luck. |
| 16:00.05 | Alam_Squeeze | that is odd... |
| 16:00.31 | boota2 | Maybe I wrongly created a user for svn. |
| 16:00.32 | nsadmin | the test machine would have to be in the same subnet (or in a NAT with edge device -within- the subnet) |
| 16:01.10 | boota2 | I did it with htpasswd -c /etc/subversion/passwd test |
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| 16:01.43 | boota2 | Or should I use users, present in /etc/passwd? |
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| 16:03.14 | rgr | Has anyone here some experience with converting /home to an encrypted volume long after installation and use? Its a netbook and I really need to encrypt hopefully without a reinstall. |
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| 16:03.48 | nsadmin | the eth0 connection (and also no other connection) shows up in network manager |
| 16:04.00 | nsadmin | err does not show up |
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| 16:04.53 | nsadmin | when I right click on the system tray icon, I do get eth0 but can't edit it (and yes, I'm in netdev) |
| 16:05.22 | nsadmin | I'm looking at the "add, edit and remove network connections" window |
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| 16:05.51 | nsadmin | which shows up when I right-click on the system tray icon and choose "manage connections" |
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| 16:09.48 | lewnidas_ | hello... how can i see if i have installed vga drivers plz...??? |
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| 16:10.46 | abrotman | lewnidas_: is the xorg packgae installed? |
| 16:11.20 | lewnidas_ | abrotman, i'm sorry but how can i see and this...?? :) |
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| 16:11.40 | abrotman | lewnidas_: dpkg -l xorg .. is it 'ii' ? |
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| 16:12.18 | lewnidas_ | abrotman, yeap... :) |
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| 16:12.22 | nsadmin | !dbus |
| 16:12.22 | dpkg | D-Bus (Desktop Bus) is an <IPC> system for software to communicate with each other. The dbus-1-doc package contains the API documentation along with the protocol specification. http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/DBusAnalogy http://www.freedesktop.org/software/dbus/ #dbus on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:12.30 | abrotman | msg the bot? |
| 16:12.54 | abrotman | lewnidas_: so xserver-xorg-video-vga .. also installed ? |
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| 16:13.50 | endeavormac | i have a VM of squeeze i'm trying to set up. fresh install, and when i apt-get update i get "Encountered a section with no Package: header\nProblem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_squeeze...." I've done some searching but this seems like a general problem. I've tried some solutions, they're not working. Suggestions? |
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| 16:16.26 | lewnidas_ | abrotman, and how i can see and this...?? :/ |
| 16:16.46 | abrotman | same as the other package? |
| 16:17.18 | pistolpete | endeavormac: i had a similar issue and quit aptitude and rebooted my system and restarted the whole process again and everything worked. |
| 16:17.34 | endeavormac | pistolpete: ok thanks i'll give that a try |
| 16:17.45 | lewnidas_ | abrotman, No packages found matching xserver-xorg-video-vga. |
| 16:17.57 | abrotman | so install it? |
| 16:18.37 | lewnidas_ | abrotman, thanks,i'm going to read the wiki...!!!! |
| 16:18.47 | abrotman | ok |
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| 16:20.04 | sicaine | hey i use cryptsetup on debian squeeze but it always asks for the passphrase at boot. anybody an idea to deactivate it? it is very annoying on a dedicated machine |
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| 16:25.27 | rgr | err, why? |
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| 16:26.05 | sicaine | because i cant enter anything without using the vkvm? |
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| 16:27.50 | rgr | you reboot it how often? You encrypted it. It would be madness NOT to expect a password. |
| 16:28.21 | sicaine | i dont wanna activate the vkvm for a reboot. it is way faster to mount it manually |
| 16:28.32 | wildc4rd | evenin all! |
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| 16:29.09 | sicaine | and right know i reboot very often because i have troubles configuring the ipv6 gatewayroute |
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| 16:29.18 | SushiDude | I use gnu/Linux, what is this thing called reboot? =P |
| 16:29.33 | sicaine | the thing you need when you wanna use a newer kernel? |
| 16:30.12 | project2501a | um ,guys, does tomcat replace httpd? |
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| 16:31.02 | abrotman | project2501a: usually it works with apache |
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| 16:31.53 | SushiDude | A program should not just, when installed, replace another. |
| 16:32.24 | project2501a | so i will not have to uninstall httpd in order to run tomcat |
| 16:32.26 | project2501a | lessee |
| 16:32.47 | nsadmin | SushiDude: haven't been around linux much, huh? |
| 16:32.58 | project2501a | lol @ nsadmin :D |
| 16:33.04 | SushiDude | nsadmin: ... |
| 16:33.34 | nsadmin | I'm just saying, a comment like that screams "zero experience" |
| 16:33.59 | SushiDude | nsadmin: Give me one example |
| 16:34.07 | nsadmin | gnu hell9o |
| 16:34.11 | nsadmin | gnu hello |
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| 16:34.40 | nsadmin | and other examples include all other source distributions that have a makefile or use a compiler |
| 16:34.41 | nsadmin | or cp |
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| 16:35.45 | nsadmin | it's not whether they should or should not, those things -do- replace files of identical pathnames to the things they install |
| 16:36.01 | nsadmin | debian packages don't do that, they remove the package first |
| 16:36.25 | project2501a | google loves me |
| 16:36.25 | nsadmin | along with all the semantics removing the package implies |
| 16:36.28 | project2501a | i google for "packages" |
| 16:36.35 | project2501a | and it brings me up on debian packages :D |
| 16:37.06 | abrotman | SushiDude: it happens all the time |
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| 16:39.46 | thepro4ever | how can i do this????? http://codepad.org/R4xOK0KF |
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| 16:43.38 | g3oM1 | how can i configure apt not to install extra packages? |
| 16:43.52 | abrotman | thepro4ever: #bash |
| 16:43.59 | abrotman | !tell g3oM1 about recommends |
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| 16:46.45 | g3oM1 | abrotman dpkg gave me no info |
| 16:47.35 | sicaine | solution: noauto in /etc/crypttab |
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| 16:47.51 | abrotman | !tell g3oM1 about apt recommends |
| 16:47.53 | abrotman | sorry |
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| 16:49.21 | g3oM1 | abrotman thanx |
| 16:49.52 | Wi-fail | uoods: Forgot to mention about the debian version, I'm using the weekly testing iso from this week |
| 16:50.11 | Wi-fail | But as squeeze was released recently, I don't think they're much changes |
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| 16:51.17 | sicaine | okay so different problem, way cooler topic: ipv6. i got my own /64 net but the gatway is in a different /56 net. ip -6 r s shows me my own net, the gatwaynetwork and a defaultroute to the gateway: http://nopaste.info/03f065688e.html but i cant ping6 anything |
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| 16:51.35 | project2501a | hey guys, really stupid question: does tomcat communicate with apache? |
| 16:52.00 | project2501a | i there a bridge between the two? does tomcat have to run in order for the bridge to work? do i have to configure the bridge? or does tomcat do magic and "it just works" (Yeah i know this is not the magic land of windows and fairydust...) |
| 16:52.06 | project2501a | is, even |
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| 16:54.00 | lauri | Good evening, gents |
| 16:54.10 | vyrgozunqk | :) |
| 16:54.18 | lauri | Can anyone tell me *how* the official Debian ISOs are generated? |
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| 16:54.36 | lauri | that is: how can I generate ISO myself? |
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| 16:55.05 | nsadmin | people write stuff |
| 16:55.17 | nsadmin | dd people package stuff |
| 16:55.27 | thewanderer1 | sicaine: you have many networks on eth0, this is really bad |
| 16:55.38 | nsadmin | cd people stick em on images |
| 16:55.43 | nsadmin | done! |
| 16:56.06 | sicaine | but i need them thewanderer1 for the gatway route? i think |
| 16:57.03 | nsadmin | seriously... for most areas of debian production, it's scripted |
| 16:57.09 | thewanderer1 | sicaine: no |
| 16:57.24 | nsadmin | there's something called popularity-contest |
| 16:57.42 | thewanderer1 | sicaine: ask in ##networking if you don't know what to do with IP addresses |
| 16:57.49 | nsadmin | people send data on what they install and this info is interpreted as a vote |
| 16:58.18 | nsadmin | this determines to a degree what software is on which cd image |
| 16:58.30 | sicaine | okay tx thewanderer1 |
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| 17:00.34 | nsadmin | lauri, how much detail do you want? |
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| 17:05.10 | thewanderer1 | lauri: |
| 17:05.14 | thewanderer1 | ,info simple-cdd |
| 17:05.15 | judd | Package simple-cdd (misc, extra) in squeeze/i386: create custom debian-installer CDs. Version: 0.3.13; Size: 33.5k; Installed: 276k |
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| 17:07.40 | nsadmin | cd image making is strongly integrated into all other phases of development, especially including testing |
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| 17:08.29 | m_h_ | good evening/morning/afternoon |
| 17:08.41 | nsadmin | time traveller? |
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| 17:08.52 | ROosy | Re |
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| 17:09.11 | ROosy | sorry i have go out quicly valdyn |
| 17:10.08 | m_h_ | I have ath9k compilant wireless card it was working on squeezy - with wicd I had no problems with connection, now under wheeze I cannot connect to wireless network |
| 17:10.43 | m_h_ | any suggestions what to do/ check? |
| 17:10.53 | m_h_ | I would be greatful |
| 17:11.12 | boota2 | Anyone had experience with configuring svn? |
| 17:12.29 | Old_Spike0 | Could somebody point to a good gdm3 reference? I find it a bit messy to change anything to my liking. |
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| 17:15.07 | ROosy | i tried to run a X app in a chroot env, but i have error Error: Unable to initialize gtk, is DISPLAY set properly? |
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| 17:17.19 | jelly-home | ROosy: you need to give access to /tmp/.X11-unix, ~/.Xauthority (or the file referred to by XAUTHORITY env.variable), and set DISPLAY env. variable |
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| 17:17.31 | jelly-home | ... inside the chroot |
| 17:17.51 | treebeen | ROosy: env | grep -i display |
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| 17:18.34 | ROosy | treebeen: hello |
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| 17:18.47 | ROosy | jelly-home: hello |
| 17:18.57 | treebeen | ROosy: pong |
| 17:19.04 | ROosy | i have DISPLAY=:0.0 |
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| 17:19.14 | eject_ck | hi all |
| 17:20.00 | eject_ck | what device should I use to record sound from my soundcard's line input jack ? |
| 17:20.07 | ROosy | jelly-home: chroot env do have access to /tmp of the host ? |
| 17:20.10 | eject_ck | i have no /dev/dsp |
| 17:20.49 | eject_ck | i'm able to listen input sound via output jack after I've unmuted it with alsamixer |
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| 17:22.46 | lauri | nsadmin: I need something highly customizable and I want the whole decompress/compress process to be optimized |
| 17:23.26 | lauri | nsadmin: eg. have squashfs mounted from ISO and hooked up to an aufs tree |
| 17:23.48 | ROosy | No protocol specified |
| 17:23.49 | ROosy | xhost: unable to open display ":0.0" |
| 17:25.25 | jelly-home | ROosy: access to the X server socket that's in /tmp, yes |
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| 17:26.53 | desrt | hi. is there some sort of metapackage that will get me a fully working minimal install? |
| 17:27.06 | desrt | has a pretty seriously messedup half-installed debootstrap attempt going on... |
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| 17:29.04 | nsadmin | lauri, I don't know all the details myself, but you can look at http://lists.debian.org and look for debian-release and debian-cd |
| 17:31.10 | nsadmin | which are offered to you as additional sources of info. don't go away tho: people from that group may be present here |
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| 17:33.59 | ROosy | jelly-home: yes in chroot i can see /tmp, access is ok |
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| 17:38.16 | ROosy | jelly-home: i have install gnome all in my chroot.... |
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| 17:40.10 | BLZbubba | what is the procedure for getting a package version bumped in testing? |
| 17:40.42 | stew | BLZbubba: http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/pkgs.html#testing |
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| 17:42.26 | stew | desrt: aptitude install ~prequired ~pimportant ~E |
| 17:42.55 | BLZbubba | cool ty |
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| 17:45.03 | nijan | Hello all, I have just upgraded to Squeeze. To have access outside the internal network I have to authenticate on a JSP page (Cisco Clean Access it says). But when I try to open the page with any browser it idles and gives no error message (no messages from the browsers, no messages in /var/log). Note that I succesfully set up eth0 using dhclient and if I try to visit any page I'm correctly redirected to tmp html page which tries to redirect me to the auth pa |
| 17:45.04 | nijan | ge. Any idea? |
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| 17:46.10 | nijan | Thanks in advance, it is really giving me a headache after hours of useless troubleshooting |
| 17:46.10 | Wi-Work | uoods: Thanks for your help, it works now |
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| 17:46.47 | Wi-Work | The main problem was that debian loaded the wrong driver |
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| 17:49.20 | studentz | Hi there. how to add user to sudoers list ? |
| 17:50.44 | nijan | Google? |
| 17:50.52 | Wi-Work | http://www.pendrivelinux.com/how-to-add-a-user-to-the-sudoers-list/ |
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| 17:51.19 | oobe | studentz, add this to /etc/sudoers "%admin ALL=(ALL) ALL" then add the user to admin group |
| 17:51.30 | oobe | in /etc/groups |
| 17:52.26 | nsadmin | that would be an internal data structure... you're better off using usermod or adduser |
| 17:52.38 | studentz | oobe thanks I come from Ubuntu It's kind of different |
| 17:52.57 | oobe | not in the case of sudo |
| 17:53.09 | oobe | except that ubuntu already does that by default |
| 17:53.12 | nsadmin | well no, it's the same |
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| 17:53.58 | nsadmin | does upstart completely work in squeeze? |
| 17:54.33 | studentz | nsadmin You really confused me :( |
| 17:54.42 | themill | oobe: why would you add the admin group like that when the sudo group is already configured for that? |
| 17:55.00 | BLZbubba | upstart is a total piece of shit, along with plymouth - i would stay away from those |
| 17:55.03 | oobe | thats just how i set up mine |
| 17:55.07 | studentz | nsadmin just think I'm new |
| 17:55.17 | oobe | you could name the group anything |
| 17:55.52 | nsadmin | studentz: can't really do that... you'll have to explain what has you confused exactly |
| 17:56.13 | studentz | oobe oobe %admin will be replaced by username? |
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| 17:56.41 | themill | studentz: what debian version are you using? |
| 17:57.06 | studentz | themill squeze |
| 17:57.34 | themill | studentz: "adduser your_username sudo" should be sufficient |
| 17:58.05 | studentz | themill How I can do that? |
| 17:58.20 | oobe | studentz, no admin was a group called admin |
| 17:58.23 | Noah0504 | studentz: Did you get my link? I think I may have disconnected for a minute. |
| 17:58.29 | oobe | i said then add the user name to that group |
| 17:58.30 | Noah0504 | studentz: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/how-to-add-a-user-to-the-sudoers-list/ |
| 17:58.36 | oobe | you can specify a user name too |
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| 17:59.24 | nsadmin | studentz: if you're getting confused by all this, you'll have to explain what you're understanding and what you need help with |
| 17:59.24 | themill | Has this suddenly become an exercise in how to come up with as many complicated and confusing ways as possible to do a simple thing? |
| 17:59.48 | themill | studentz: you log in as root ("su -") and then run that command. Job done. |
| 18:00.02 | studentz | themill I got the link I will read it carefully Th :) |
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| 18:01.03 | wooden | I used to drive my Lenny media PC via x11vnc. Whenever I played video in mplayer or vlc the contents of the application's window would appear as a solid dark blue color, and the video would appear normally on the media PC's monitor. |
| 18:01.07 | wooden | After updating the media PC to Squeeze, mplayer/vlc/etc. now send the actual video over the x11vnc, so response time on my vnc session sucks. Any idea how I can get back to the old situation? |
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| 18:03.07 | nsadmin | how would I grub-boot a bootable partition? |
| 18:03.24 | valdyn | wooden: the old situation was like a bug or limitation that you exploited |
| 18:03.48 | valdyn | wooden: now just direct mplayer to display on the proper X11 screen |
| 18:03.53 | nsadmin | say my grub is installed on mbr, can I "chainload" a partition with another grub or other bootable? |
| 18:04.23 | valdyn | wooden: value of $DISPLAY is what determines where something is displayed |
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| 18:06.39 | valdyn | nsadmin: yes |
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| 18:07.38 | llutz | Any known knockd issues in squeeze? after upgrading from lenny knockd crashes when receiving a knock, with those 2 lines in logs: "knockd "bailed out of main loop! (ret=-1)" and "pcap: cooked-mode frame doesn't have room for sll header". |
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| 18:08.54 | valdyn | llutz: known issues are in the bts |
| 18:09.09 | ROosy | other question.... i have ATI and drivers in xen dom0, Nvidia drivers run ? |
| 18:09.26 | ROosy | Ati not run |
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| 18:09.34 | ROosy | erf i use kvm |
| 18:09.53 | valdyn | ROosy: no |
| 18:10.36 | ROosy | valdyn: hard for pc at home ..... |
| 18:10.57 | ROosy | valdyn and if i use the 2.6.37 kernel and xen 4.1 ? |
| 18:11.01 | valdyn | ROosy: hard? i dont know about any virtualisation for gfx hardware |
| 18:11.10 | valdyn | ROosy: so there probably is none |
| 18:11.49 | valdyn | ROosy: theres at most directx or opengl implementations that serve that same purpose |
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| 18:12.36 | valdyn | ROosy: but considering that opengl on linux is already buggy as hell without virtualisation, theres no reason to believe that this would do you any good adding another buggy layer |
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| 18:13.26 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 18:14.01 | AlexC_ | in /etc/adduser.conf I have NAME_REGEX="^[a-z][-a-z0-9]*\$" (which is the default, btw) however when doing `adduser foobar` I get: "adduser: Please enter a username matching the regular expression configured" |
| 18:14.02 | wooden | valdyn: Thanks. I know about DISPLAY, and it's set to :0 on the remote PC. The issue is that video is being sent to x11vnc clients under Squeeze, where under Lenny x11vnc clients just received a solid dark blue color, which kept the x11vnc sessions responsive. Does this perhaps have something to do with hardware video playback? |
| 18:14.19 | AlexC_ | I can't work out /why/ it doesn't work. Let alone why the default value just uncommented doesn't work |
| 18:14.39 | valdyn | wooden: yea |
| 18:15.03 | valdyn | wooden: but i dont know what changed exactly |
| 18:15.31 | wooden | valdyn: Perhaps under Lenny I was getting hardware video acceleration, but I'm not under Squeeze? |
| 18:15.33 | valdyn | wooden: now i dont entirely get what you want to do, but i would not build or fix this relying on a bug |
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| 18:16.21 | logseman | hello there :) |
| 18:16.34 | logseman | I'm downloading a Debian image right now, as I want to try it |
| 18:16.39 | valdyn | wooden: mplayer -vo lets you select the playback mode |
| 18:16.49 | dvs | logseman: a live image? |
| 18:16.55 | AlexC_ | what is the command line tool to report a bug in Debian Squeeze? |
| 18:16.56 | logseman | a DVD image |
| 18:16.58 | Noah0504 | logseman: Very nice. Do you use Linux at all now? |
| 18:17.06 | logseman | I'm using Ubuntu |
| 18:17.11 | daemonkeeper | Apparently you made a good choice, logseman. But do you have a particular question? |
| 18:17.14 | dvs | logseman: which file? |
| 18:17.19 | logseman | DVD-1 |
| 18:17.45 | logseman | the instructions specified that I should only download that one unless I know that I need other files |
| 18:17.52 | daemonkeeper | That's right. |
| 18:17.53 | logseman | since I'm not probably needing them |
| 18:17.57 | Noah0504 | logseman: I just recently switched to Debian from Ubuntu. |
| 18:18.06 | logseman | my question is mainly |
| 18:18.09 | daemonkeeper | Indeed a 170M netinst is enough for most cases. |
| 18:18.12 | logseman | what differences are in the user experience |
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| 18:18.29 | logseman | I'm aware that the terminal usage is practically the same |
| 18:18.34 | daemonkeeper | Experience is subjective, isn't it? |
| 18:18.46 | Noah0504 | logseman: It's not going to be anything huge. Ubuntu is Debian-based, they both run Gnome and obviously have most of the same packages. |
| 18:18.46 | jhutchins_lt | !ubuntu |
| 18:18.47 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 18:19.10 | Noah0504 | I would say Ubuntu has a few nice little things such as the Me Menu that are great to use. |
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| 18:19.16 | logseman | those "Debian standards" are the ones I want to see :) |
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| 18:19.35 | Noah0504 | But, I made the switch because I was a little worried about the path Ubuntu was taking with Unity and a few other things... |
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| 18:19.39 | logseman | I mean, I read times and times that Ubuntu is the poor relative of Debian |
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| 18:19.52 | jhutchins_lt | logseman: Ubuntu is more focused on having the latest and greatest features, while Debian is more focused on stability, usability, and user control. |
| 18:19.57 | logseman | and that Debian really brings up the full power of a machine to the user |
| 18:20.18 | logseman | so, if I can have the full power, why not use it? :D |
| 18:20.45 | Noah0504 | logseman: You can access that same "power" in Ubuntu. There were a few things that made me switch. And since switching, I probably won't go back. |
| 18:20.45 | jhutchins_lt | Debian will probably require a little more work to configure and to get non-linux hardware working properly. |
| 18:21.17 | Noah0504 | You're going to have to take a little more time to do things like install your video drivers if you have a nVidia or ATI card, but it's not difficult. |
| 18:21.32 | jhutchins_lt | logseman: If the knowledge that you may be using a package that's "two years old" doesn't bother you, Debian's a good choice. |
| 18:21.49 | logseman | as long as it works... |
| 18:22.16 | Noah0504 | logseman: It's going to work, that's for sure. |
| 18:22.33 | logseman | can I count on a TOshiba Satellite working out of the box? |
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| 18:22.38 | Noah0504 | And if you really need the latest and greatest application, you can always compile it yourself. It's not too hard. |
| 18:22.46 | dvs | logseman: What model? |
| 18:22.59 | Noah0504 | logseman: What version of Ubunut did you run on it? |
| 18:23.12 | logseman | a350 |
| 18:23.19 | nijan | Also, I have tried with different browser and kernel installation, nothing. I can ping everything inside the network. Any clue is much appreciated. |
| 18:23.20 | logseman | I had trouble installing 10.04 |
| 18:23.20 | katsrc | does adobe give out the source code for flash? |
| 18:23.26 | logseman | but Ubuntu 10.10 works fine |
| 18:23.38 | dvs | has a C650D and had a heck of a time getting it to work. |
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| 18:23.48 | Noah0504 | logseman: Hmm. You may be okay. I can't remember if 10.04 and Squeeze have the same kernel or not. |
| 18:24.03 | logseman | the main issue was with the graphic card |
| 18:24.13 | logseman | artifacts everywhere |
| 18:24.13 | Noah0504 | logseman: What card do you have? |
| 18:24.36 | daemonkeeper | logseman: Please note, "Debian's standards" first of all means the Debian policy, which includes high requirements on software stability and distributability. It does not mean Debian would be faster/better/prettier/$adjective_of_your_choice than Ubuntu. |
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| 18:25.22 | logseman | Radeon HD 3650 |
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| 18:25.47 | Noah0504 | I've never really had good luck with ATI cards... But I know some people run them just fine. |
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| 18:25.58 | Noah0504 | If you have any trouble, just remember Google. Haha. |
| 18:26.11 | logseman | :P |
| 18:26.31 | logseman | daemonkeeper, I understand what you mean |
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| 18:27.08 | logseman | so, do you think it's a risky gamble to install Squeeze in that card? |
| 18:27.45 | displaced | does anyone know how to remote take over someone's desktop? not malicious, i'm network admin and i've seen it done in windows, howto in debian? all debian machines and i own them all |
| 18:28.05 | Noah0504 | logseman: I'm not sure. Maybe search Google for Debian and that model of card. |
| 18:28.13 | Noah0504 | See what the Internets say. |
| 18:28.27 | logseman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=597475 |
| 18:28.29 | logseman | :( |
| 18:28.32 | dvs | I have a HD 4850 on my PC with no problem but my laptop with a HD 42xx in it has a few artifacts. |
| 18:28.39 | jhutchins_lt | displaced: rfb, vnc |
| 18:29.06 | logseman | the bug is from September 2010 |
| 18:29.17 | logseman | so I hope it could have been corrected |
| 18:29.29 | logseman | *bug report |
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| 18:30.10 | displaced | vnc will give me access to the machine. i want to be able to see what the user is doing, without them knowing that i'm looking and be able to take over the desktop if i have to |
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| 18:31.56 | veganman | hello, after an upgrade from lenny to squeeze, my sd devices do no longer appear in /dev, but udev(fs) is mounted, help! |
| 18:32.13 | displaced | i've seen this done in windows.i would like to be able to do the same in debian |
| 18:32.30 | veganman | I'm booted in emergency mode now. |
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| 18:34.09 | bonjoyee | displaced: you could use a combination of streaming the X display and vnc... |
| 18:34.14 | dvs | veganman: how did you upgrade? |
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| 18:34.57 | displaced | bonjoyee: explain how this would work, stream it to where? |
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| 18:35.45 | bonjoyee | displaced: stream the X display from the clients to your machine via local network.. |
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| 18:35.57 | ansgar | displaced: Where do you work that you need to spy after other employees? |
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| 18:36.09 | aLgEBrA | hi |
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| 18:36.11 | displaced | network admin at private school |
| 18:36.17 | displaced | students |
| 18:37.06 | bonjoyee | displaced: but of course this would mean running a streaming app and vnc server on each client.. |
| 18:37.13 | mehok | hey guys i need to reset a password in a debian linux installas |
| 18:37.16 | displaced | they know the rules and i've got a firewall in place that blocks most prohibited sites. but they are using proxies to get around it and i'd like to be able to prove it |
| 18:37.24 | mehok | how do i go about it i locked my self out |
| 18:37.46 | froggyman | Is anyone here familiar with mp3gain? |
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| 18:37.57 | displaced | mehok: boot from the install cd and do a repair. you can reset the root password from there |
| 18:37.59 | JustCJs | just empty root passwd ;p |
| 18:38.01 | froggyman | (the actual package/program) |
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| 18:38.17 | ansgar | displaced: But spying after them for such boring things? |
| 18:38.37 | mehok | hmm i dobnt have a cd and i cannot loose anything that is on the install at the moment |
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| 18:39.18 | Digdilem | displaced, what's wrong with normal vnc for this? |
| 18:39.25 | displaced | yeah, i'm not into that and it's extremely boring. i'd rather do other things for sure. but i have a few students that my assistants are telling me are using it for purposes that are prohibited and i need proof to show the administrator of the school |
| 18:39.28 | JustCJs | boot=/bin/sh |
| 18:39.42 | JustCJs | or just chroot into |
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| 18:40.26 | JustCJs | no need for rescue cd |
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| 18:41.15 | ansgar | displaced: I wonder if the students could sue the school for spying after them... I am fairly sure employees could do that here. |
| 18:41.42 | displaced | ansgaryou would be right, except they signed a contract that gives me permission |
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| 18:42.18 | displaced | ansgar you would be right, except they signed a contract that gives me permission |
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| 18:42.31 | Digdilem | displaced, just do the same user-side "remote desktop" vnc server, set it to "not alert user", add a password and you're set. |
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| 18:43.18 | Digdilem | displaced you could firewall all non-known ports, but still they could run a remote proxy on port 80 and you wouldn't stop them |
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| 18:44.14 | displaced | Digdilem: you are right, but if i can see the desktop and take them out of the loop while they are doing it. i can prove they are doing it and hand this information to the admin. |
| 18:44.27 | froggyman | Anyone here use mp3gain? |
| 18:44.32 | Digdilem | yes. i agree with your thinking. vino-server might be a good place to start looking. |
| 18:44.43 | jhutchins_lt | displaced: I'd hate to base my job securty and legal standing on something I heard in IRC. You want something you can document. |
| 18:44.44 | displaced | but i have to be able to take control of the desktop if i see someone doing it |
| 18:44.55 | displaced | you ain't kidding |
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| 18:45.14 | Digdilem | well written AUP's ftw :) |
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| 18:45.46 | displaced | like what hpened with the cameras in another school last year? |
| 18:45.58 | Digdilem | ? |
| 18:46.17 | displaced | taking remote pictures of students from their laptops while they had taken the system home |
| 18:46.26 | mmnicolas | what's a better way than WINS to get hostname resolution between linux boxes ? let's say I don't use samba on any of them |
| 18:46.33 | displaced | several people got sued |
| 18:46.35 | Digdilem | oh yeah. that was mad stupid |
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| 18:46.50 | jhutchins_lt | displaced: Look at the documentation on the vnc software web sites, including x11vnc. |
| 18:47.06 | Digdilem | laws involving kids often aren't sensible. I do know that remote monitoring of workplace staff is not uncommon though. |
| 18:47.18 | ansgar | Digdilem: More fun are non-existing usage policies that everyone agrees to have read when requesting an account. Everybody does that for the computer pool at the math department of my university :) |
| 18:47.30 | Digdilem | lol |
| 18:47.35 | displaced | i'm not really interested in doing it. i'm more interested in being able to do it if i have to. |
| 18:48.02 | Digdilem | displaced, there are also periodic screenshotting methods that will create a dir full of jpgs you can peruse at your leisure |
| 18:48.43 | displaced | lol, doesn't that sound like fun? |
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| 18:49.01 | displaced | really, not wanting to do this job |
| 18:49.15 | Digdilem | less time wasted than watching someone live for hours for the 1 minute they do something dodgy... |
| 18:49.28 | displaced | true |
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| 18:54.45 | jhutchins | displaced: You might also need to look for "vnc screen capture". |
| 18:55.35 | jhutchins | displaced: It's not very hard to do this, like I said it's documented on one of the VNC websites, I just can't seem to find my bookmark for it. |
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| 18:56.10 | miasma | any idea what could cause this. the text mode screen (ctrl-alt-f1) worked just fine, but restarting gdm + doing something in X broke it. it doesn't accept key presses anymore from some keys |
| 18:56.23 | jhutchins | displaced: You use the vnc component that plugs in to xorg, have an auth stanza in the xorg.conf file and you're all set. |
| 18:57.03 | quiritius | i have a weird behavior when playing flash on some site (i.e. http://kompas.ru/ - CAD developer). The movie there plays, but when I close the iceweasel (or chromium) tab, the frozen movie screen stays: on destop (washed out) and on all VTs. could someone check this? |
| 18:57.40 | quiritius | the player on that site show name 'showplayer' |
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| 18:58.37 | jhutchins | displaced: Ah, here it is: http://www.realvnc.com/products/enterprise/4.4/x0.html |
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| 19:00.37 | jhutchins | displaced: x11vnc and tightvnc have their own methods of doing this. |
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| 19:01.54 | Guest39496 | hey guys i locked my self out of my debian linux but i got no spare cd to recover please help its a matteer of life and death |
| 19:02.07 | Posterdati | hi, please how can I convert ogg to mp3? |
| 19:02.15 | logseman | So, people, I'm off to install! |
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| 19:02.21 | logseman | thanks for your help :) |
| 19:02.31 | logseman | Posterdati, Audacity could help you |
| 19:02.42 | Guest39496 | please help i am a noob i need step by step also |
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| 19:03.51 | Posterdati | logseman: ok |
| 19:04.56 | Guest39496 | can anyone help |
| 19:05.01 | Guest39496 | please i beg of you |
| 19:05.18 | ROosy | Guest39496: what s problem ? |
| 19:05.20 | bk128 | just installed debian 6 x64 on a new amd system with 2 ati 5870 cards. trying to install fglrx with this guide http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Squeeze . when I switch to a virtual terminal, stop gdm and run "modprobe -r radeon drm" it says "FATAL: module radeon is in use" |
| 19:05.33 | mmnicolas | Guest39496: append init=/bin/bash to your kernel boot line |
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| 19:05.55 | Guest39496 | be more specific |
| 19:06.12 | Guest39496 | ROosy i llost my logon password |
| 19:06.18 | Guest39496 | need to reset it |
| 19:07.05 | killa | Google? |
| 19:07.10 | BlackFate | maybe you didnt have it in the first place |
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| 19:07.53 | Guest39496 | there is a pass it was set up and i forgot it |
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| 19:08.42 | mmnicolas | Guest39496: you better ask a physical person if you have no experience with a shell |
| 19:08.57 | ROosy | Guest39496: boot is rescue or with a cd knoppix per example |
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| 19:09.14 | killa | I know kon-boot works with ubuntu and various windows products does it work w/debian as well, if so you could just use that. |
| 19:09.23 | Guest39496 | well i do have a bit i just need a simple step by step of how to do it and when i get to the net screen on what i do |
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| 19:11.04 | abrotman | it is not a matter of life or death |
| 19:11.27 | killa | Guest39496: http://www.piotrbania.com/all/kon-boot/ also you may want to consult the Debian Manual (which I doubt you have done). |
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| 19:11.42 | mmnicolas | abrotman: you don't know, maybe someone will kill him if he does not recover that password |
| 19:11.51 | killa | lol |
| 19:11.54 | abrotman | uhhuh ... |
| 19:11.57 | ROosy | Guest39496: http://www.debianadmin.com/forgot-root-password-or-reset-root-password-in-debian.html or death :D |
| 19:12.00 | dvs | just Jason Bourne? |
| 19:12.06 | abrotman | he could have just asked google .. tons of guides |
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| 19:12.19 | killa | +1 abrotman |
| 19:12.21 | n_np | hello what is the net install way to connect with adsl? |
| 19:12.28 | bk128 | is this the right place to ask for help with fglrx drivers? |
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| 19:12.55 | n_np | i used debian 6 net install now i cant connect to my adsl router, i dont know how to set up the username n password so that it logs on |
| 19:12.58 | n_np | what is the command? |
| 19:13.26 | abrotman | pppoeconf ? |
| 19:13.31 | ROosy | n_np: passwd user |
| 19:13.32 | n_np | not found |
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| 19:13.56 | n_np | no isnt there a script like adsl-setup ? |
| 19:14.18 | n_np | pppoeconf is included in what deb? |
| 19:14.19 | mmnicolas | n_np: its called pppoeconf |
| 19:14.29 | mmnicolas | n_np: the package name is also pppoeconf |
| 19:14.54 | abrotman | you have to run the command as root |
| 19:15.14 | n_np | what command? i tried aptitude install pppoeconf |
| 19:15.30 | n_np | nothing installed |
| 19:15.39 | n_np | i'm logged in as root atm abrotman |
| 19:16.31 | killa | Is Guest39496 still alive? |
| 19:16.41 | Guest39496 | no |
| 19:16.51 | Guest39496 | i hung my self 5 mins ago |
| 19:17.04 | apollo13 | why do the debian squeeze releasenotes suggest apt-get for the upgrade while lenny suggested aptitude? |
| 19:17.06 | mmnicolas | n_np: you used the netinstall right ? it might not be included |
| 19:17.17 | abrotman | should be |
| 19:17.21 | killa | Did you consult google as to the best method? |
| 19:17.22 | dvs | apollo13: package resolution |
| 19:17.27 | n_np | yeah it isnt included |
| 19:17.28 | n_np | but isnt |
| 19:17.30 | abrotman | apollo13: you can use apt-get for the dist-upgrade, then go back to aptitude |
| 19:17.42 | apollo13 | abrotman: well I am fine with either of them⦠|
| 19:17.49 | apollo13 | just was curious |
| 19:17.51 | apollo13 | dvs: thx |
| 19:17.52 | marshalmc1 | having trouble getting vnc to work, trying to install it through ssh |
| 19:18.02 | abrotman | apollo13: aptitude has a 'trying too hard, throwing up' problem |
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| 19:18.08 | dvs | apollo13: I'd use apt-get just for the upgrade. |
| 19:18.28 | apollo13 | no worries I'll follow the notes, but I waas kinda confused ;) |
| 19:18.37 | dvs | hands apollo13 a mop |
| 19:18.37 | apollo13 | thx for the answer |
| 19:18.43 | abrotman | has been using aptitude anyway :) |
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| 19:19.13 | mmnicolas | n_np: your adsl modem sure has web interface and a "router mode" like most modern asdl modem so you can configure the pppoe login there |
| 19:19.16 | apollo13 | yeah I doubt it will fail if you are careful⦠|
| 19:19.29 | apollo13 | and this maschine is mostly just a clean lenny + xen |
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| 19:23.21 | sourc | sfd |
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| 19:23.52 | cantido | wishes aptitude didn't need a super processor to be usable :/ |
| 19:23.55 | xelister | on installation, how to have full-disk encryption (like in Ubuntu on alternative install cd) - e.g. lvm + crytpo |
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| 19:24.45 | cantido | xelister: full disk encrytion will be slow as hell,.. |
| 19:25.09 | xelister | cantido: I use it on ubuntu, works fine |
| 19:25.32 | cantido | you dont use your disks enough then ;) |
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| 19:26.07 | cantido | you should be able to do it from the installer.. you need unencrypted /boot for it to be workable |
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| 19:28.00 | cusco | hi |
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| 19:29.57 | CrazyGir | hello hello! I have a shell programming question, and while general in nature I figured this was the best place to start as I'm running on debian. I have a shell script which runs via cron and syncs up a www directory from a git remote repo. This runs as a normal user, and given the details of the httpd setup, the sync screws up the file ownership. is there a way I can ensure these files are sync'd with at least the group of my choosing (one the user |
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| 19:30.27 | cantido | CrazyGir: chown ? |
| 19:30.38 | pipeline | CrazyGir: you can only chgrp files to match a group that you are a member of |
| 19:31.11 | pipeline | CrazyGir: so add your user to the www group on the server, and use "ssh fooserver chown -R blah" as part of your cron job doing the sync.... or correct the permissions on the client and rsync -av that sucker |
| 19:31.24 | pipeline | CrazyGir: in other words, you can't "give away" files |
| 19:31.24 | CrazyGir | yep, the user is a member of the group. I guess that would be fine, I was hoping to set the owndership BEFORE syncing |
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| 19:31.44 | pipeline | CrazyGir: make a www group with the same uid on the client, change the permissions on the client, use rsync -av to do the sync and preserve permissions |
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| 19:32.05 | CrazyGir | rsync is run locally |
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| 19:32.22 | cantido | CrazyGir: do you sync with git or rsync? |
| 19:32.24 | CrazyGir | there's no ssh involved or anything, the script is all run locally |
| 19:32.37 | cantido | CrazyGir: so its just copying the files? |
| 19:32.37 | CrazyGir | I use git to pull down the repo, then rsync to sync the files |
| 19:32.38 | Noah0504 | Can anyone help me out with PulseAudio? |
| 19:33.07 | abrotman | ask a better question |
| 19:33.33 | Strife89 | Noah0504: Ditch it? :) |
| 19:33.51 | Noah0504 | Ha. Sorry... well, I have it installed and it is working, but I can't seem to get my volme keys to control another device with I switch to it. |
| 19:34.11 | pipeline | CrazyGir: of course rsync is run on the client. The point is, set the permissions correctly on the client, make sure that gids are matching on both sides, and use rsycn :P |
| 19:34.12 | Noah0504 | Strife89: I probably would, but I can't get my device to work well with just ALSA either. |
| 19:34.18 | cantido | thinks we need less sound daemons.. |
| 19:34.27 | Noah0504 | I'd like to have one master for both devices... if that makes any sense. |
| 19:34.36 | pipeline | I've never had a sound daemon that worked worth a damn. Thank god for dmix. |
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| 19:34.41 | cantido | pipeline: I think the rsync is happening between local fs |
| 19:34.51 | pipeline | cantido: the same advice still applies |
| 19:34.55 | pipeline | cantido: not relevant whether it's remote |
| 19:35.18 | cantido | doesnt make sense to use git and rsync locally though |
| 19:35.38 | pipeline | read operations are less expensive than write operations, so I use rsync --inplace all the time |
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| 19:35.47 | pipeline | I'd rather do two reads and no writes than a read and a write if you know what I mean |
| 19:36.14 | n_np | what is the command to install a .deb file? |
| 19:36.15 | cantido | is it going to matter than much for a bunch of tiny files ;) |
| 19:36.33 | cantido | s/than/that/ |
| 19:36.35 | cusco | using this machine with Nvidia ION, tv is connected trough hdmi... and I can only play sound like this: aplay -D plughw:0,3 bla.wav |
| 19:36.38 | Noah0504 | n_np: dpkg -i whatever.deb |
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| 19:36.47 | cusco | how do I make that plughw:0,3 default device? |
| 19:37.01 | cantido | cusco: you need to make an .asoundrc file.. |
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| 19:37.19 | cantido | cusco: you might not like HDMI audio once you get it working though.. it basically only works with VLC for me |
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| 19:37.32 | cusco | it worked fine with this aplay cmd |
| 19:37.40 | n_np | what is the command to set up the mirror? |
| 19:37.42 | cusco | can you show me an example of .asoundrc ? |
| 19:38.08 | cantido | one moment, I'll paste mine |
| 19:38.10 | CrazyGir | my second question: I'm using the following to redirect output to a log file, though my logfile is still very much empty. where've I gone wrong? sh $SCRIPT_DIR/$SYNC_SCRIPT $VHOST $GIT_BRANCH > $LOG_DIR/$LOG_FILE 2&>1 |
| 19:38.47 | CrazyGir | this is in a script which cron runs |
| 19:38.51 | cantido | cusco: http://pastebin.com/ufNHhiHR |
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| 19:39.13 | cantido | cusco: I use that to push audio out of HDMI when we watch films.. it doesnt work for everything though |
| 19:39.24 | ivan-kanis | how can i check the integrity of a file? |
| 19:39.25 | cantido | cusco: This is an Atom + ION Zotac machine |
| 19:39.27 | g00se | experienced dual-booters (XP + Debian) can you tell me the best way to bisect the disk into two partitions? At the mo, XP is taking up the whole disk |
| 19:39.32 | cantido | ivan-kanis: md5, sha.. |
| 19:39.39 | ivan-kanis | cantido: oh i got one too :) |
| 19:39.47 | CrazyGir | g00se: that's so dependent on you and your needs/desires |
| 19:40.10 | cantido | g00se: debian can resize FAT and NTFS in the installer from what I can remember |
| 19:40.13 | CrazyGir | g00se: which do you boot into more? which need smore space? how big is the disk? |
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| 19:40.52 | cantido | CrazyGir: bash -x <myscript.sh> |
| 19:41.00 | g00se | CrazyGir: Very simple ones: half and half. I must say i've never used the installer to resize partitions. I don't think i can do it in Disk Management in XP |
| 19:41.08 | ivan-kanis | cantido: let me be more specific, I am running rkhunter |
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| 19:41.15 | n_np | what is the command to reconfigure what is the debian package mirror? |
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| 19:41.27 | ivan-kanis | cantido: i get the following message "Warning: The command '/usr/sbin/adduser' has been replaced by a script" |
| 19:41.29 | CrazyGir | g00se: you are better off installing both clean after partitioning |
| 19:41.36 | CrazyGir | g00se: start with XP first |
| 19:41.47 | ivan-kanis | cantido: how do I check that adduser is the proper Debian file? |
| 19:41.52 | CrazyGir | cantido: how will that solve log redirect? |
| 19:41.57 | cantido | ivan-kanis: to check a file is the same as you thought it should be you need to have sums or something.. stuff from packages can be checked with debsums |
| 19:42.02 | g00se | CrazyGir: Possibly, yes. But XP is already there |
| 19:42.08 | CrazyGir | g00se: so |
| 19:42.21 | cantido | CrazyGir: it will show you what your stuff it doing.. all I can see is a mess of vars |
| 19:42.26 | CrazyGir | you won't have the best luck resixing and existing XP partition |
| 19:42.46 | g00se | .. so it's a case of resize first then add ext3 partition |
| 19:42.52 | CrazyGir | yes |
| 19:42.58 | cantido | CrazyGir: maybe you want to redirect stdout and stderr |
| 19:43.01 | CrazyGir | cantido: I've verified the calues |
| 19:43.08 | CrazyGir | *values |
| 19:43.29 | CrazyGir | cantido: am I not doing that with > and 2&>1? |
| 19:43.44 | ivan-kanis | cantido: just what i was looking for! Thanks! |
| 19:43.52 | cantido | CrazyGir: > $LOG_DIR/$LOG_FILE 2&>1 |
| 19:44.06 | killa | I use Hirens BootCD when ever I want to redo windows partitions and keep the O.S. operating well. You can partition as much as you want for either.. Just go to warez-bb.org and look for it. |
| 19:44.23 | CrazyGir | cantido: I was under the impression that would get stdout/err to my log file? |
| 19:44.37 | cantido | CrazyGir: only stdout is going into your logfile |
| 19:44.42 | killa | Or just rm xp all together for best results lol. |
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| 19:45.07 | cantido | If you have a half decent machine and dont want games just run XP in a vm |
| 19:45.28 | CrazyGir | g00se: yea, vms makes a lot of sense for xp |
| 19:45.41 | CrazyGir | so much easier to reset to a clean install and keep running |
| 19:45.46 | CrazyGir | without losing a day of yur time |
| 19:46.01 | g00se | Hmmm |
| 19:46.24 | cantido | with a XP vm you can chuck it away when it goes up the wall |
| 19:46.42 | cantido | and you get a "We'll kill your children if you don't install our malware" wallpaper |
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| 19:47.48 | cusco | cantido: thanks.. I will try |
| 19:48.20 | cusco | cantido: this is some acer aspire revo |
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| 19:48.32 | cantido | with ION? |
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| 19:49.43 | JustCJs | perhaps silly question, but is it possible to use vesafb in conjunction with the oss Radeon driver; I had to disable KMS due to issues with brightness but do have a need for a fb device |
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| 19:50.30 | cusco | cantido: yes |
| 19:50.52 | g00se | I don't have a half decent machine in this case ;) |
| 19:51.39 | g00se | CrazyGir: Are you sure your script is being run at all? ;) |
| 19:51.40 | cantido | g00se: I use windows XP vms on a 1.6ghz atom to open Photoshop mockups etc.. |
| 19:52.02 | cantido | so unless you have a p2 generation or something equally bad you dont have an excuse ;) |
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| 19:52.34 | g00se | cantido: Yes, that's about the size of it, or not much bigger ;) |
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| 19:53.06 | cantido | ghetto computing eh? |
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| 19:53.31 | g00se | Gutter computing |
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| 19:54.11 | robert00 | anyone know how come transmission's bittorrent program doesn't work? |
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| 19:54.45 | cantido | robert00: you need to be a bit more descriptive |
| 19:54.57 | mutante | if the description says to compile i need "You will need the OpenSSL toolkit", and i have "openssl already latest version" on squeeze, would you expect that to include it or not really |
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| 19:55.09 | mutante | the "toolkit" part |
| 19:55.15 | cantido | mutante: you need -dev |
| 19:55.22 | robert00 | cantido, the bittorrent client won't download anything |
| 19:55.45 | cantido | robert00: is it connecting to trackers.. do you have the right ports open? |
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| 19:56.00 | mutante | cantido: but Couldn't find package openssl-dev |
| 19:56.13 | robert00 | cantido, it has an open port |
| 19:56.31 | cantido | mutante: apt-cache search openssl dev |
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| 19:56.59 | g00se | thinks he might start over installing XP. Was reluctant since the XP installer really didn't like not seeing a windows/dos partition + mbr |
| 19:57.00 | mutante | cantido: libssl-dev , i take it, thanks for the hint |
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| 20:03.03 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 20:03.46 | PrincipeDellaCol | I have hard question on Debian |
| 20:03.52 | eptalon | I was wondering if I could use a sun ray 1 to connect to a box running debian, without the additional software sold by oracle/sun? |
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| 20:04.30 | johnfg | hi guys |
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| 20:04.51 | johnfg | In epiphany, i just brought up my phpldapadmin. |
| 20:05.10 | johnfg | It's a little buggy compared to lenny's, but not too big of a deal. |
| 20:05.13 | PrincipeDellaCol | I define "DEFAULT_HOME no" in /etc/login.defs. Manual says in that way there is check on homde folder attributes and if it's existing al login . But nothing !!!! |
| 20:05.43 | johnfg | However, the base entry isn't showing. I'm being asked, "Create it". |
| 20:06.25 | johnfg | Well, the Create it? hyperlink is calling a javascript that's not doing anything. javascript is installed, so have any idea what's wrong? |
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| 20:15.16 | valdyn | johnfg: "installed" ? you cannot "install" it |
| 20:17.10 | valdyn | PrincipeDellaCol: the manual does not say that it will check attributes, it says that it will check if the home directory exists |
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| 20:17.29 | PrincipeDellaCol | valdyn, it's true |
| 20:17.41 | valdyn | PrincipeDellaCol: no, actually, it checks if the user is allowed to enter it |
| 20:17.54 | valdyn | PrincipeDellaCol: but thats still not equivalent to checking attributes |
| 20:18.07 | PrincipeDellaCol | valdyn, that's right but this mechanism doesn't work |
| 20:18.25 | PrincipeDellaCol | valdyn, try it ! |
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| 20:20.22 | valdyn | PrincipeDellaCol: i tried, works fine |
| 20:20.44 | valdyn | Unable to cd to '/home/test' |
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| 20:20.53 | PrincipeDellaCol | mmm valdyn do you have also pam installed ? |
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| 20:21.10 | valdyn | PrincipeDellaCol: sure i have pam installed like any default debian install |
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| 20:21.24 | PrincipeDellaCol | valdyn, but cannot permit you to login ? |
| 20:21.46 | valdyn | PrincipeDellaCol: what? DEFAULT_HOME works as documented |
| 20:21.57 | PrincipeDellaCol | valdyn, is it necessary to restart some service after change login.defs file ? |
| 20:21.59 | valdyn | PrincipeDellaCol: set to no i cannot log in if $HOME is missing |
| 20:22.03 | valdyn | PrincipeDellaCol: no |
| 20:22.28 | valdyn | PrincipeDellaCol: obviously you just need to log in after you changed settings |
| 20:22.34 | PrincipeDellaCol | valdyn, if you don't have X attribute on owner of home directory ? |
| 20:22.50 | valdyn | PrincipeDellaCol: it does not check attributes |
| 20:23.03 | valdyn | PrincipeDellaCol: it tries "cd $HOME", if that does not work, you cannot login |
| 20:23.17 | PrincipeDellaCol | valdyn, remember if you don't have X attribute on home directory you cannot enter into it ! |
| 20:23.37 | valdyn | PrincipeDellaCol: yea, thats a small x or executable |
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| 20:24.23 | PrincipeDellaCol | valdyn, I have 5.0.6 lenny. can you suggest me a way to debug this behavoiur ? |
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| 20:25.02 | valdyn | PrincipeDellaCol: how did you fuck up your pam? |
| 20:25.25 | SerajewelKS | is there something similar for A DNS records as there is for MX records with regard to priority? e.g. can I have a DNS server return two A records, but inform the client that one is to be preferred, and the other address should only be used if the service being requested at the first address fails in some way? |
| 20:25.29 | valdyn | PrincipeDellaCol: it should not be broken in the first place |
| 20:25.56 | PrincipeDellaCol | valdyn my pam works |
| 20:26.25 | PrincipeDellaCol | valdyn, can I enable some log for deubg in login.defs ? |
| 20:26.45 | valdyn | PrincipeDellaCol: /var/log/auth.log : Feb 20 21:24:47 master login[29469]: unable to cd to `/home/test' for user `test' |
| 20:27.06 | PrincipeDellaCol | valdyn, my stsem redirect me to root folder |
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| 20:27.20 | valdyn | PrincipeDellaCol: whats your DEFAULT_HOME set to? |
| 20:27.27 | cantido | SerajewelKS: its round-robin |
| 20:27.34 | PrincipeDellaCol | valdyn to "no" |
| 20:27.39 | valdyn | PrincipeDellaCol: do you have DEFAULT_HOME *twice* in /etc/login.defs ? |
| 20:27.50 | PrincipeDellaCol | valdyn, no, one |
| 20:27.58 | valdyn | PrincipeDellaCol: you better check |
| 20:28.06 | PrincipeDellaCol | valdyn, I'll check |
| 20:28.08 | cantido | SerajewelKS: your dns server should mix them up.. clients should try to connect to the first result, and the next if it didnt work |
| 20:28.10 | SerajewelKS | cantido: but with RR DNS, all addresses have equal priority, no? so a client may pick whichever address they want to use if multiple addresses are returned. |
| 20:28.28 | PrincipeDellaCol | valdyn, thank you very |
| 20:28.40 | SerajewelKS | cantido: i'm asking because i want to upgrade a production server to squeeze, but would like to leave a short message for people who try to access the site in the meantime |
| 20:28.44 | PrincipeDellaCol | valdyn, tomorrow I'll tell you news |
| 20:28.54 | PrincipeDellaCol | byeeee |
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| 20:29.06 | cantido | SerajewelKS: from what I remember most DNS servers will return record 1,2 and then record 2,1,.. |
| 20:29.08 | SerajewelKS | cantido: since the kernel upgrade will require a reboot, i can't just leave my httpd running |
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| 20:29.15 | SerajewelKS | cantido: right, that's not the behavior i want |
| 20:29.32 | cantido | SerajewelKS: It is configurable in maradns I think.. not sure about BIND |
| 20:30.26 | cantido | You cant control what the caches are doing anyhow |
| 20:30.32 | SerajewelKS | right |
| 20:30.40 | SerajewelKS | that's why a priority system similar to MX records would be nice :) |
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| 20:30.51 | tzanger | good afternoon |
| 20:31.13 | tzanger | does anyone know what the package is that has replaced nfsbooted? I'd like to create a diskless client image and I remember needing that package, but not seeing it now |
| 20:31.37 | cantido | SerajewelKS: a production environment with only one server? |
| 20:32.55 | SerajewelKS | cantido: it's just for my blog. so it's "production" but not "mission-critical". i'd just like to leave a short message for my readers while performing the upgrade |
| 20:33.21 | cantido | ah, DNS is no good for that ;) |
| 20:33.44 | SerajewelKS | ok. but i can't use the same server since it will need to reboot :) |
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| 20:34.02 | cantido | even with a really small TTL its not flexible enough.. and caches and browsers ignore what your DNS server says anyhow |
| 20:34.37 | cantido | SerajewelKS: no control over the routing? |
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| 20:43.07 | SerajewelKS | cantido: no, it's hosted by a VPS provider |
| 20:43.08 | johnfg | valdyn, sorry, away eating Sunday dinner. What I meant is, javascript-common is installed. |
| 20:43.35 | SerajewelKS | cantido: theoretically i could purchase another VPS for the day and transfer the IP to it, but that's a bit heavier a solution than I was hoping for :) |
| 20:43.37 | johnfg | valdyn, You have any ideas about the problem? |
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| 20:44.26 | SerajewelKS | cantido: so i guess i do have *some* degree of control over the routing |
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| 20:49.54 | raz0 | mo3r: /who |
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| 20:53.41 | johnfg | Our apache on squeeze is apache2, right? |
| 20:54.20 | KB1JWQ | I should damn well hope so. 1.x went EOL over a year ago. |
| 20:54.23 | petemc | apache 1.3 was eol last year |
| 20:54.27 | petemc | heh |
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| 20:54.45 | KB1JWQ | Yeah and two weeks. :-) |
| 20:54.48 | KB1JWQ | year* |
| 20:56.29 | johnfg | I wanted to make sure, as the dpkg asks to be able to auto config apache. |
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| 20:56.52 | johnfg | i.e., apache, apachessl, apache2, etc. |
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| 20:57.35 | johnfg | phpldapadmin worked beautiful on lenny (still does), but it's a little buggy on squeeze. |
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| 21:09.47 | bosy | Hi |
| 21:09.59 | bosy | i am a new user with debian |
| 21:10.27 | bosy | i have a problem, |
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| 21:10.49 | bosy | who can help me |
| 21:10.58 | joltcan | bosy: Hi there! Just ask the question and we'll see if anyone can answer |
| 21:11.03 | mrothhh | anytool to move mailboxes from one imap server to anthoer |
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| 21:12.01 | santi | Hello! I have a little question :) I want to set up the backup software for my server but I don't know what I should backup, should it be / or /dev/vg0/root (LVM)? |
| 21:12.51 | scoobertron | I upgraded from stable to testing. my sources list has a security repo listed (security.debian.org). Is there a testing equivalent that I should include |
| 21:12.53 | joltcan | mrothhh: apt-cache search imap copy |
| 21:12.57 | bosy | i cann't trace source code in develop c++ program |
| 21:13.09 | bosy | i use gdb |
| 21:13.13 | joltcan | mrothhh: imapsync sounds like something you might be interested in |
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| 21:13.33 | Gijs | Hello people |
| 21:13.49 | joltcan | scoobertron: Nope, since they can change there isn't really a point for that. Compared to stable that should stay just that, stable |
| 21:13.58 | Gijs | i think my server gets attacked, how to check the incoming traffic? |
| 21:14.31 | joltcan | bosy: I'm not really sure about what you are asking for. Is that a coding question? |
| 21:14.36 | santi | Gijs: iftop? |
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| 21:14.44 | bosy | yes |
| 21:14.46 | joltcan | Gijs: you could have a look at iftop, tcpdump etc |
| 21:14.52 | scoobertron | joltcan: thanks, I thought that might be the case. I will just delete it. |
| 21:15.00 | mrothhh | thanks |
| 21:15.40 | joltcan | bosy: Sorry, I'm not a developer so I have no idea, but are you talking aboute the program "strace"? |
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| 21:17.45 | LinuxNIT | ive been using thunar as my file manager with e17 as my desktop. when write files to USB, and then tell it to eject, it says that it is writing the data. Can i have it write the data during the copy so i dont have to wait on this? |
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| 21:18.28 | bosy | my problem is source code trace in gdb |
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| 21:18.34 | bosy | thanks |
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| 21:20.50 | joltcan | bosy: Sounds like you should try and find some developer howto site? See if there is a #developer channel or somehting? |
| 21:21.17 | bosy | ok |
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| 21:24.29 | eptalon | heyas |
| 21:25.29 | eptalon | Suppose I want to get 2-3 terminals (thin clients), to access a debian or windows server are there any recommendations? |
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| 21:25.56 | dondelelcaro | eptalon: access to do what? |
| 21:26.33 | eptalon | dondelelcaro: web-browsing, reading mail, printing. |
| 21:26.58 | valdyn | eptalon: use real computers, if you want sync them with a server, dont make them real thin clients |
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| 21:27.28 | eptalon | valdyn: what's the drawback of a thin client? |
| 21:27.44 | valdyn | eptalon: the single point of failure that is the server |
| 21:29.07 | eptalon | valdyn: but a thin client off ebay costs like USD30-50; compared to like 300-500 realistically for a "full-spec" comp. |
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| 21:30.16 | joltcan | eptalon: I wanted to do that some years ago, and I was considering something which I think was called linux education or something, that was pre-packaged for that |
| 21:30.23 | valdyn | eptalon: I'm not sure youre doing a fair comparison with equal amount of ram etc |
| 21:30.25 | joltcan | eptalon: they had really good howtos on what you were needed |
| 21:30.36 | valdyn | eptalon: your thin clients only need an added harddisk |
| 21:30.50 | valdyn | eptalon: and thats <50$ per box |
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| 21:31.25 | eptalon | valdyn: I am talkjing about "boxes", as HP, Wyse, Sells them. Specialized CPU and all. |
| 21:31.44 | valdyn | eptalon: on ebay? |
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| 21:32.11 | dondelelcaro | eptalon: usually you use network boot with X, running X on the thin client, and the actual application from the server |
| 21:32.19 | alexminol | hello |
| 21:32.42 | dondelelcaro | eptalon: that's pretty trivial to do with ssh; there's also the ltsp project |
| 21:32.45 | alexminol | i'm trying to configure portknokig with iptables |
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| 21:32.54 | alexminol | after |
| 21:33.07 | alexminol | iptables -N INTO-PHASE2 |
| 21:33.08 | alexminol | and |
| 21:33.18 | alexminol | iptables -A INTO-PHASE2 -m recent --name PHASE1 --remove |
| 21:33.20 | alexminol | i get |
| 21:33.27 | alexminol | iptables: No chain/target/match by that name. |
| 21:33.43 | alexminol | why? seems my rule is ok no? |
| 21:34.43 | eptalon | dondelelcaro: I want a "as little-work-as-possible" box, basically gets a linux image or similar off the network |
| 21:34.53 | _linuxftw | Hi, some process on my system is eating all of the /dev/random entropy. If I cat /dev/random it produces about 20 characters per minute, whereas if done just after a restart it fills the screen with random chars. I tried to find which process it is using lsof | grep /dev/random, but apparently no process has it open. Could some kernel driver be using up the randomness without opening the /dev/random device? |
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| 21:35.52 | eptalon | dondelelcaro: You think you can build such a box (CPU, Mobo/RAM, Case) for like under USD 100-150? |
| 21:36.20 | dondelelcaro | eptalon: it depends what you're doing on the machines |
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| 21:36.49 | dondelelcaro | _linuxftw: anything that requires entropy is going to need to use that. And reading from it using cat is going to exhaust all of it. If you want to watch how much entropy you have, that's not how you check it |
| 21:37.19 | eptalon | dondelelcaro: As I said, web browsing, printing a web page, will be about 85% of the stuff. ssh (with X11 forwarding) is basically all they need. |
| 21:37.35 | _linuxftw | I'm not reading from it continually. I read just after the system boots, to check there's lots of entropy, then I come back a few hours later and do the same test, to find all the entropy is gone. |
| 21:37.41 | valdyn | eptalon: webbrowsing can be pretty intense |
| 21:38.01 | dondelelcaro | _linuxftw: because entropy gets used all of the time. Check /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail |
| 21:38.15 | _linuxftw | Current value is 160 |
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| 21:38.39 | dondelelcaro | _linuxftw: that's low, but it's no doubt because you've just exhausted it. Use the computer for a while and watch it grow. |
| 21:38.55 | eptalon | valdyn: so you think one of those pre-built boxes they sell as "terminals" can't do webbrowsing? |
| 21:39.06 | dondelelcaro | eptalon: they can, but it depends what web pages you're browsing. |
| 21:39.07 | valdyn | eptalon: not if they have to run the browser |
| 21:39.23 | valdyn | eptalon: yes if the browser runs on the server |
| 21:39.35 | cantido | _linuxftw: I think only interactive sources are used for entropy now.. |
| 21:39.46 | _linuxftw | this is a server machine, there is no interaction |
| 21:39.50 | cantido | _linuxftw: so if you dont input anything, there is no new entropy for collection |
| 21:39.51 | valdyn | eptalon: that wouldnt scale well, but i dont know how many server or how many clients you want to set up |
| 21:39.56 | zumbi | eptalon: does efikamx - around 95$ - fits you? |
| 21:40.12 | dondelelcaro | _linuxftw: there's always interaction; people connecting to the machine generate entropy, FE. |
| 21:40.12 | _linuxftw | cantido: So what, I should pay somebody to SSH into the server and randomly mash the keyboard? |
| 21:40.21 | cantido | wouldnt trust bplan hardware as far as you could throw it |
| 21:40.22 | eptalon | zumbi: as client?, or as full-fleged linux box? |
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| 21:40.35 | dondelelcaro | _linuxftw: but if you have a problem with entropy maintenance, there are hardware entropy generating devices |
| 21:40.36 | cantido | dondelelcaro: network traffic isnt used anymore AFAIK |
| 21:40.46 | eptalon | valdyn: 1-2 clients for a "home network" |
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| 21:40.49 | zumbi | eptalon: as the client probably |
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| 21:41.02 | _linuxftw | I don't think that should be necessary |
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| 21:41.16 | _linuxftw | The entropy value is hovering around 130, never rises above 200. |
| 21:41.21 | eptalon | valdyn: buy clients buy screen/kbd/mouse/cable, have them remote-boot or something |
| 21:41.26 | zumbi | is happy ekeyd user for server entorpy generation |
| 21:41.26 | valdyn | eptalon: thats not a problem then to run everything on the server |
| 21:41.28 | _linuxftw | So some process is using it, but none of them have /dev/random open |
| 21:41.32 | dondelelcaro | cantido: some parts can be |
| 21:41.42 | cantido | the only places I have seen a problem with entropy is really slow hardware.. like 50mhz sparc |
| 21:41.54 | eptalon | valdyn: It isn't. the server (my box) is an i5, with lotsa ram. |
| 21:41.54 | dondelelcaro | _linuxftw: no one keeps /dev/random open; you open, read a few bits, and then close it |
| 21:42.15 | _linuxftw | ahh ok, that would explain why lsof won't find it. Is there a way to watch the file and be alerted when it's opened? |
| 21:42.37 | valdyn | eptalon: the s50 will be to weak |
| 21:43.34 | eptalon | valdyn: you suggest I build a full-fledged low-end pc? |
| 21:43.47 | valdyn | eptalon: for your purpose i would build an atom computer myself, but for ~150$ |
| 21:44.05 | valdyn | eptalon: no, at your scale it doesnt really matter |
| 21:44.22 | cantido | 1Ghz ARM can be had for $40.. Google dockstar |
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| 21:46.04 | valdyn | cantido: if he can cope with the missing features for arm architecture... |
| 21:46.27 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: LTSP is pretty good but I prefer XDMCP with PulseAudio at home |
| 21:46.47 | valdyn | eptalon: how are those things networked? ge? |
| 21:46.50 | dondelelcaro | _linuxftw: not easily, but if you actually watch the amount of entropy using munin or similar, you can see whether you need to do something to address it. |
| 21:47.09 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: also, Atom+ION desktops beat thin clients any time... but if you're gonna buy plain Atom+i915 gfx, it's pointless - then go for thin clients |
| 21:47.16 | _linuxftw | I'm currently using watch -n 0.4 more /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail |
| 21:47.33 | pipeline | unfortunately the best thin client options are proprietary |
| 21:47.41 | _linuxftw | it slowly increases to about 190, then something takes about 80 bytes from it |
| 21:47.53 | dondelelcaro | _linuxftw: see http://www.entropykey.co.uk/ for example. |
| 21:48.05 | _linuxftw | that shouldn't be necessary though |
| 21:48.19 | thewanderer1 | pipeline: no, the best thin client option is old cruft laying around or cheap boxes from eBay... plus XDMCP |
| 21:48.21 | cantido | valdyn: missing features for ARM? |
| 21:48.21 | eptalon | valdyn: gigabit ethernet; alternative is 802.11n |
| 21:48.26 | cantido | valdyn: like hard floats? |
| 21:48.34 | valdyn | cantido: like flash |
| 21:48.42 | eptalon | valdyn: but I can't do netboot over wireless, so gigabit ethernwr |
| 21:48.49 | anigma | does debian come with a default identd? |
| 21:48.57 | cantido | valdyn: unless you have ION flash is going to pretty sheeeet on an Atom |
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| 21:49.12 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: I have a laptop (ThinkPad X60) used as a netboot client, but does local processing - works really fast over GbE |
| 21:49.16 | valdyn | cantido: yea, but not at all on arm |
| 21:49.31 | cantido | eh, the free flash thingies work |
| 21:49.42 | dondelelcaro | _linuxftw: it's often necessary; loads of things need entropy. |
| 21:49.43 | valdyn | cantido: not very well |
| 21:49.58 | valdyn | cantido: last i tried anyway |
| 21:49.59 | eptalon | thewanderer1: Originally I was looking at sun ray, but they only work with a proprietary protocol it seem |
| 21:50.02 | eptalon | s |
| 21:50.04 | cantido | tbh I did think it was some talk of a low power machine.. |
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| 21:50.12 | cantido | if you want a desktop get a cheap desktop.. |
| 21:50.32 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: are you going to do local processing or processing on the server? and how many clients? |
| 21:50.38 | valdyn | cantido: he wants a cheap desktop or thin client |
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| 21:50.52 | _linuxftw | alright I've just done another test, I replaced /dev/random with /dev/urandom with a symlink. In theory no process should be able to use the entropy in the pool now. However, something is still using it. |
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| 21:50.59 | cantido | dell.com? |
| 21:51.05 | valdyn | cantido: cheaper |
| 21:51.20 | cantido | well, get a second hand p4 or something then.. it'll kick an atoms arse |
| 21:51.23 | thewanderer1 | I'll find a few terminals |
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| 21:51.40 | eptalon | thewanderer1: atm 1-2 clients (+local) on the server (i5) |
| 21:51.52 | dondelelcaro | _linuxftw: the kernel doesn't use the symlinks, and needs it to generate processes. |
| 21:52.06 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: are you planning to expand that in the future? |
| 21:52.09 | dondelelcaro | the kernel also needs it to randomize sequence numbers, and tons of other things |
| 21:52.25 | eptalon | thewanderer1: It's a home setup, so its pretty unlikely. |
| 21:52.31 | _linuxftw | ok, so the kernel is the only thing that can be using the entropy. Can I find out what part of the kernel is using it? |
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| 21:52.48 | eptalon | thewanderer1: base idea was to have a "low maintenance" access point for family members. |
| 21:52.52 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: then go for Atom+ION boxes as clients, or Core2Duo + integrated graphics |
| 21:53.08 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: buy a few of the same (especially graphics) and make them netboot |
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| 21:53.35 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: I used to netboot desktops at home... they shared a common NFS root. management is so easy |
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| 21:53.58 | pipeline | eptalon: btw I have been fantastically happy with the sun ray user experience |
| 21:54.00 | cantido | eptalon: recycle an old box.. unless you have loads of machines to worry about dont bother with thin client'ing it |
| 21:54.04 | pipeline | eptalon: but holy fuck did I learn to hate sun ray server |
| 21:54.06 | eptalon | thewanderer1: the atom+ion would be able to decode a video file? |
| 21:54.22 | dondelelcaro | _linuxftw: I just told you a few parts which do. Why does it matter? |
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| 21:54.30 | cantido | eptalon: ION will decode H264 and some other formats in hardware |
| 21:54.32 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: decode? as in watch? yes, with recent drivers you should be able to watch movies and such |
| 21:54.37 | eptalon | pipeline: As far as I can tell the client without the server is basically garbage? |
| 21:54.42 | pipeline | eptalon: X11+XDMCP may be a crappier experience for the end user, but it's massively less painful to set up |
| 21:54.46 | pipeline | eptalon: yes it's 100% useless without SRSS |
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| 21:54.51 | _linuxftw | dondelelcaro, because having no entropy is causing a load of stuff to hang |
| 21:55.03 | cantido | eptalon: the problem happens when some other format takes over that the hardware cant decode ;) |
| 21:55.04 | _linuxftw | (though I made sure that stuff was disabled before running these tests) |
| 21:55.05 | thewanderer1 | pipeline: but we were talking local processing (fat client without disk) here... a completely different thing |
| 21:55.22 | pipeline | thewanderer1: eptalon was talking about using a sun ray, which is definitely not a diskless client |
| 21:55.34 | thewanderer1 | pipeline: well, dunno a thing about that |
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| 21:55.38 | valdyn | cantido: im not seeing movies i cant decode in hardware in the wild |
| 21:55.47 | eptalon | pipeline: And I guess there are no "open-source" alternatives to the server |
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| 21:55.54 | valdyn | cantido: if ion can do that same as nvidia gfx cards, then its pretty good |
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| 21:56.16 | cantido | valdyn: not yet |
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| 21:56.53 | thewanderer1 | valdyn, eptalon: easy to check the specifications of a given board... also Zotac is selling some pre-built tiny desktops with that |
| 21:56.56 | cantido | although I have some H264 encodes that wont work.. so its not perfec |
| 21:57.15 | pipeline | eptalon: no sir :( |
| 21:57.39 | dondelelcaro | _linuxftw: then you need to add more entropy. |
| 21:57.40 | cantido | pipeline: the sun ray hardware is limited to some crappy resolution too isnt it? |
| 21:57.44 | pipeline | eptalon: thin clients are a really painful place for open source. There are a dozen or so proprietary systems that are very nice for the end user, and very painful for us. |
| 21:58.07 | _linuxftw | I found a hack that might let me use /dev/urandom as if it were a hardware entropy source |
| 21:58.11 | pipeline | cantido: some is, some isn't. My ten year old sun ray 1g will do 1920x1200. The newer ones do 3560x1600 or something insane like that |
| 21:58.18 | cantido | I think netbsd/sparc will run on sunray anyhow |
| 21:58.22 | pipeline | _linuxftw: /dev/urandom isn't the same as /dev/random dude |
| 21:58.29 | _linuxftw | I know that.. |
| 21:58.33 | _linuxftw | it's a "hack". |
| 21:58.39 | cantido | pipeline: it'll do 1920x1200.. but does it move fast enough to be useful? |
| 21:58.42 | pipeline | cantido: only on the really really old ones... the newer, rohs-compliant ones are no longer SPARC32 but rather some kind of MIPS shit |
| 21:58.50 | cantido | pipeline: its the same framebuffers as shitty old sparcs iirc |
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| 21:59.02 | pipeline | cantido: yeah my 1g was actually faster than the local console on my system |
| 21:59.15 | pipeline | cantido: you could even do full motion video smoothly, if the bandwidth was available |
| 21:59.31 | _linuxftw | hack was successful, entropy is now about 3k :) |
| 21:59.32 | pipeline | cantido: like I said, amazing end-user experience, horrible server-side nightmare |
| 21:59.42 | pipeline | _linuxftw: yes but it's not really entropy anymore :P |
| 21:59.44 | cantido | mmm I reckon a sunray or two and a box would work out more expensive than an old p4 |
| 21:59.57 | pipeline | cantido: yeah they are NOT CHEAP |
| 21:59.58 | cantido | _linuxftw: urandom isnt "secure entropy" |
| 22:00.05 | pipeline | cantido: sun ray clients cost considerably more than complete PC desktops |
| 22:00.19 | _linuxftw | what is urandom doing? It's just a PRNG with a randomly chosen seed, right? |
| 22:00.24 | dondelelcaro | cantido: it isn't entropy at all |
| 22:00.25 | cantido | I have seen the sparc ones cheapish |
| 22:00.30 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: just go for Atom+ION2, or proper Core 2 Duo systems |
| 22:00.42 | cantido | its a Linear feedback thingy isnt it? |
| 22:00.45 | pipeline | _linuxftw: urandom guarantees that it will spit out as many numbers as you ask for, very quickly, but in exchange for that guarantee, it no longer guarantees that they'll be very random |
| 22:01.03 | _linuxftw | yeah so it's a PRNG, which in my opinion will be perfectly secure for anything I want to do |
| 22:01.06 | cantido | they arent random, just random looking |
| 22:01.06 | pipeline | cantido: yes the sun ray 1 series were all essentially sparcstation 4s inside |
| 22:01.28 | _linuxftw | You'd have to have gigabytes of output from it before you could work out the seed, I believe |
| 22:01.39 | pipeline | cantido: obviously they changed a lot over time... there was no SS4 framebuffer that would do 1920x1200x24b@60 Hz |
| 22:01.41 | cantido | _linuxftw: what exactly are you doing that requires lots of entropy? |
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| 22:01.51 | _linuxftw | cantido: nothing, the kernel is using it somehow |
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| 22:02.00 | cantido | pipeline: I didnt realise there was that much support for them to be honest |
| 22:02.28 | cantido | _linuxftw: using it? you mean because it isnt gathering tons of it that "it must be going somewhere" |
| 22:02.28 | pipeline | cantido: heh the sun ray 2-series and 3-series stuff, you can have like multiple 30" monitors hooked up |
| 22:02.31 | pipeline | cantido: truly crazy things |
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| 22:02.50 | cantido | _linuxftw: has anything popped up and told you that your are running out of entropy? |
| 22:02.50 | _linuxftw | cantido: Well, it drains slowly, but refills even slower |
| 22:03.05 | pipeline | I would love to see an open source teradici implementation or something, but I'm not gonna do it myself, so I don't think it's likely to happen any time soon ;) |
| 22:03.07 | _linuxftw | no no, but processes that read /dev/random are hanging |
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| 22:03.29 | johnfg | Would there be any problem in installing phpldapadmin from oldstable or old-sec? |
| 22:03.40 | johnfg | On squeeze, i.e. |
| 22:03.52 | thewanderer1 | and why do you need that? |
| 22:04.10 | cantido | johnfg: if you install the php script manually it might work.. installing the packages would be a no no |
| 22:04.34 | cantido | phpldapadmin is awful but when there are no other tools you're stuck ;) |
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| 22:05.27 | thewanderer1 | johnfg: is this for Samba+LDAP? |
| 22:05.34 | johnfg | cantido, I use it, along with other tools, and have for quite a few versions of different distros. |
| 22:05.52 | johnfg | thewanderer1, Nope. |
| 22:06.08 | thewanderer1 | btw. there is phpldapadmin in Squeeze as well |
| 22:06.14 | simonrvn | apache directory studio, jxplorer |
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| 22:06.25 | _linuxftw | Right I'm going to restart the processes that were previously hanging and see if this hack fixes the problem. Thanks for the help guys, (especially dondelelcaro !) |
| 22:06.34 | cantido | the newer phpldapadmin packages were a bit broked from what I remember |
| 22:06.38 | thewanderer1 | cpu is the right tool for managing LDAP POSIX users |
| 22:06.52 | pipeline | eptalon, cantido : |
| 22:06.53 | thewanderer1 | works like adduser / deluser but edits LDAP |
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| 22:07.02 | simonrvn | yess, cpu nice |
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| 22:07.10 | pipeline | eptalon, cantido : Red Hat SPICE looks promising as hell -- an open source answer to the Teradici/VMware PCoIP shit |
| 22:07.18 | pipeline | eptalon, cantido : http://www.spicespace.org |
| 22:07.47 | thewanderer1 | pipeline: does that VDI part look scary to you as well? |
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| 22:08.25 | thewanderer1 | and "VDI agent"... |
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| 22:08.41 | pipeline | thewanderer1: ugh I went to training on their newest shit, "View." VMware changes product names with every revision. "VDI" was the last version. |
| 22:08.48 | johnfg | thewanderer1, That's what I'm having some problems with. None at all in lenny, but it's not configuring correctly. |
| 22:08.49 | pipeline | thewanderer1: the newest thing is truly wretched |
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| 22:09.46 | eptalon | pipeline: I think it would be time to get an "unified" open standard for connecting clients.. |
| 22:09.51 | thewanderer1 | johnfg: hm, maybe that's why I never had any luck with phpldapadmin... I only tried it in Squeeze :P |
| 22:09.56 | johnfg | cantido, That's why I wondered about installing from oldstable. |
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| 22:10.27 | robotronic | which image should i choose if i have a dual CPU setup? But its not dual core? |
| 22:10.47 | thewanderer1 | robotronic: the same as would go for dual core |
| 22:10.59 | robotronic | amd64? |
| 22:11.06 | johnfg | thewanderer1, It's not really that difficult of a php program, or hard config file, but dpkg kind of messes it up. |
| 22:11.18 | thewanderer1 | robotronic: if your CPU architecture is amd64 then yes |
| 22:11.37 | elik | My latest upgrade on etsting pulled a package called libgcr410, but I don't find the logic behind that. I don't see any package depending on it, and I don't have a GemPlus GCR410 serial smartcard interface |
| 22:11.37 | thewanderer1 | johnfg: so install it by hand from upstream |
| 22:11.54 | johnfg | Anyway, how would I go about installing it from oldstable? |
| 22:11.54 | robotronic | thewanderer1: Oh OK. Well what i am worried about is that they are AMD based but single core |
| 22:11.59 | cantido | robotronic: all the kernels will work on single core machines |
| 22:12.01 | elik | I found it kind of weird when it asked me on which serial port it was attached |
| 22:12.09 | thewanderer1 | robotronic: why would that make a difference? |
| 22:12.22 | cantido | thewanderer1: there did used to be smp kernels in debian |
| 22:12.30 | robotronic | Performance wise maybe? |
| 22:12.41 | thewanderer1 | yes, but he needs SMP anyway |
| 22:12.54 | robotronic | If they are not x64 then i donno what sense it would make :/ |
| 22:13.01 | cantido | robotronic: an smp kernel disables smp when its booted on a single core/single hardware thread machine |
| 22:13.04 | eptalon | robotronic: architecture-wise there is no difference between a 32 bit amd cpu, and a 32 bit intel (x86) one; same for 64bit. |
| 22:13.30 | robotronic | I see |
| 22:13.33 | johnfg | Ok, I've got the package, so does it install with dpkg -i <the package>? |
| 22:13.37 | cantido | eptalon: there are small differences between emt64 and amd64.. |
| 22:13.42 | robotronic | So it doesn't really matter which one i pick for now? |
| 22:13.51 | thewanderer1 | johnfg: yes |
| 22:13.53 | eptalon | cantido: such as? |
| 22:13.57 | cantido | robotronic: if you can use amd64 |
| 22:14.08 | cantido | eptalon: look at the docs.. there are small differences |
| 22:14.10 | robotronic | The processors are AMD Opteron 248's |
| 22:14.11 | un214 | there actually is a reason to support i386 (as opposed to i586) |
| 22:14.13 | eptalon | robotronic: what's your cpu? |
| 22:14.39 | cantido | un214: iirc, debian wont boot on a real 386 anymore ;) |
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| 22:15.02 | thewanderer1 | robotronic: yes, it's amd64 |
| 22:15.02 | cantido | un214: there is a 686 libc.. which is all you really need |
| 22:15.03 | robotronic | eptalon: The processors are AMD Opteron 248's |
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| 22:15.06 | un214 | I'll bet it will cross-compile to it though |
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| 22:15.18 | robotronic | thewanderer1: oh ok |
| 22:15.33 | cantido | un214: I think the kernel needs patches to boot on a real 486 even |
| 22:15.37 | eptalon | robotronic: definitely an amd64 |
| 22:15.47 | pozic | How do I tell Icedove to use a different language than English? I already installed the required packages. |
| 22:15.58 | pozic | Do I need to relogin? |
| 22:15.59 | robotronic | thewanderer1: the reason im asking is because im currently distrohopping to test some out. It's running FreeBSD amd64 but it's not really compatible/hw wise |
| 22:16.01 | thewanderer1 | pozic: it infers this from system locale |
| 22:16.02 | cantido | un214: support is still there.. but no one tests it. There are plently of things that are in the mainline kernel that no one knows if it works or not |
| 22:16.07 | robotronic | so considering trying out Debian |
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| 22:16.24 | cantido | robotronic: linux should be more compatiable than freebsd |
| 22:16.32 | pozic | thewanderer1: how can I change the system locale? |
| 22:16.43 | pozic | thewanderer1: I tried this via dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 22:16.43 | un214 | reason someone might want it is there is one production line that makes 386 processors |
| 22:16.45 | eptalon | robotronic: try a live-cd though before you install |
| 22:16.46 | cantido | robotronic: any linux distro with a recent-ish kernel will be much the same hardware support wise |
| 22:16.49 | un214 | they're space rated |
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| 22:16.52 | thewanderer1 | pozic: yes, that's the way |
| 22:16.52 | pozic | thewanderer1: except it didn't seem to have any effect. |
| 22:16.58 | thewanderer1 | pozic: you need to relogin |
| 22:17.02 | pozic | thewanderer1: ok |
| 22:17.07 | robotronic | I see, i see |
| 22:17.17 | robotronic | well, it's an "old" Sunfire V20z |
| 22:17.21 | cantido | un214: embedded 386 socs exist.. but would you want linux on a machin with 2 or 4 megs of ram? |
| 22:17.31 | cantido | robotronic: debian works fine there.. I have done it |
| 22:17.35 | thewanderer1 | cantido: I would, but that's just me :P |
| 22:17.49 | robotronic | I see, i'll have to try it then cantido |
| 22:17.51 | robotronic | Currently there seems to be some issues with networking on FreeBSD |
| 22:17.56 | cantido | notes that sun x86 boxes are shit |
| 22:18.21 | robotronic | I cant go over 10Mbps even tho disk/IO is fine, networking is @ gigE etc |
| 22:18.24 | cantido | robotronic: you could always install solaris on it.. i hear it support sun hardware |
| 22:18.30 | simonrvn | cantido: yeh, it's called rockbox ;) |
| 22:18.39 | robotronic | cantido: yeah they do, but meh, solaris :( |
| 22:18.47 | robotronic | not as sexy as debian/*BSD |
| 22:18.47 | eptalon | cantido: the few sun worstations (Sun Ultra 10, I think) I got my hand onto were very nice. |
| 22:18.54 | cantido | simonrvn: rockbox is a little rtos based thingy though.. its not linux afaik |
| 22:18.57 | elik | What can force a new package to be installed other than depenedencies? |
| 22:19.10 | elik | My last upgrade pulled an... unusual package |
| 22:19.10 | eptalon | robotronic: there's Opensolaris, or there was. |
| 22:19.12 | thewanderer1 | elik: the admin :) |
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| 22:19.18 | cantido | eptalon: SPARC hardware (mainly the firmware) was nice, the x86 stuff is rebranded crap |
| 22:19.26 | elik | thewanderer1: yeah, hum, that's me, and supposed to be only me |
| 22:19.28 | robotronic | eptalon: yeah.. Maybe i'll try it too |
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| 22:19.42 | simonrvn | it was insprired by it, and some of the drivers are derived, or used to be |
| 22:19.52 | thewanderer1 | elik: did you see the package on the list of "additionally installed"? |
| 22:19.57 | robotronic | It offically supports more or less any RHEL |
| 22:20.05 | robotronic | SUSE/RHEL/Solaris |
| 22:20.06 | robotronic | etc |
| 22:20.12 | thewanderer1 | OpenSolaris is dead now |
| 22:20.16 | cantido | my recent experience is "debian is weird machines isnt worth the effort" |
| 22:20.18 | elik | thewanderer1: nope, in the list of new packages |
| 22:20.46 | robotronic | But yeah, it's fast and such under *BSD but it's not working properly, so yeah.. And trying to find a solution for it under *BSD will be a pain in the *** |
| 22:20.47 | cantido | I.e. I need to create some extra hardware to power down and power up my root device on boot to make anything work.. which is pretty shit |
| 22:20.48 | thewanderer1 | elik: yes, so it got pulled in... what package is it? |
| 22:21.00 | elik | thewanderer1: libgcr410 |
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| 22:21.18 | cantido | robotronic: if the RHEL kernel has support for the hardware, the debian one does too |
| 22:21.26 | eptalon | robotronic: I was recently recommended EON Storage (but thats basically just a storage box), based on OpenSOlaris |
| 22:21.28 | thewanderer1 | elik: and how were you checking the dependencies? |
| 22:21.56 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: drop that, OpenSolaris is no longer functional... |
| 22:21.58 | robotronic | cantido: yeah, my thoughts where something along those lines too |
| 22:22.06 | elik | thewanderer1: sorry, what do you mean? |
| 22:22.15 | robotronic | Yeah, OpenSolaris, i'd like to stay away from that |
| 22:22.19 | thewanderer1 | elik: how do you know it's not a depends? |
| 22:22.42 | cantido | robotronic: the system controller is standard I think.. nothing weird |
| 22:23.28 | eptalon | thewanderer1: Anything else, than native zfs support? |
| 22:23.31 | elik | thewanderer1: it seemed like a fairly specific "leaf" package from the description |
| 22:23.53 | elik | thewanderer1: I thought show or packages.debian would show who depended on it, but I was mistaken |
| 22:24.22 | robotronic_ | thanks for the help |
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| 22:24.49 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: Nexenta now has that... and FreeBSD :P |
| 22:25.12 | thewanderer1 | elik: it's probably a recommended package... but none of the tools I use are capable of computing reverse recommends |
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| 22:25.31 | thewanderer1 | themill: you're the aptitude expert, got a recipe for that one? |
| 22:25.46 | eptalon | thewanderer1: And nexenta uses an opensolaris kernel, no? |
| 22:25.50 | elik | thewanderer1: I just tried apt-cache rdepend, but it didn't find anything |
| 22:26.19 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: yes, but they've rebased onto Illumos now I think |
| 22:26.26 | epeen | is there an alternative to rockbox for ipod nano 4th gen? |
| 22:26.28 | elik | thewanderer1: as far as recommended goes, I do get recommended updates, but they are not installed (I see a list of recommended but not to be installed packages) |
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| 22:26.47 | thewanderer1 | elik: but you didn't disable recommends when upgrading, did you? |
| 22:26.58 | elik | thewanderer1: nope |
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| 22:28.36 | elik | thewanderer1: so some recommendation are installed automatically, others are no? |
| 22:28.36 | thewanderer1 | elik: `aptitude why libgcr410` |
| 22:29.09 | pipeline | cantido, eptalon : SPARC hardware quality is hit or miss depending on vendor and product line. Surprisingly, Sun's x86 gear tended to be quite nicely made. It actually wasn't re-branded. It wasn't Sun-designed, but the OEM (nuvisys? something like that) wasn't selling the hardware under some other brand. |
| 22:29.17 | elik | thewanderer1: hum, fancy! |
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| 22:29.46 | pipeline | cantido, eptalon : The Ultra 10 was actually the zenith for Sun hardware quality. Those things were real buckets of shit. $15k for a system that couldn't keep up with a $2,000 Pentium II. |
| 22:29.49 | elik | thewanderer1: apparently, wpasupplicant depends on that... |
| 22:29.58 | pipeline | cantido, eptalon : s/zenith/nadir/ |
| 22:29.59 | thewanderer1 | elik: depends? how fun |
| 22:30.06 | kevinfish | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.25 | eptalon | pipeline: well, architecture was different. Plus it "feels" real nice |
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| 22:30.39 | thewanderer1 | EVMS? congratulations kevinfish, you're the first user! :) |
| 22:30.57 | elik | thewanderer1: yeah.. not sure I like the look of that |
| 22:31.03 | cantido | pipeline: that was a workstation? |
| 22:31.04 | elik | thewanderer1: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/wpasupplicant |
| 22:31.13 | pipeline | eptalon: the U10 had a really wicked fast system architecture and CPU/cache, but it was hobbled by a vile and terrible disk controller |
| 22:31.19 | kevinfish | thewanderer1: actually I'm on gentoo but neither they nor evms are any help and this is the biggest linux group. |
| 22:31.30 | cantido | pipeline: all the workstations I played with were fine.. you could break the "server class" machines by trying to upgrade them ;) |
| 22:31.51 | elik | thewanderer1: it depends on libpcsclite1, which then depends on pcscd, which depends on either libccid or pcsc-ifd-handler, and libgcr410 provides that.... |
| 22:32.02 | pipeline | eptalon: if you installed a 3rd party SCSI card it was actually worth the $15k, but that disk controller was so buggy that minimal I/O load would bring the system to a grinding halt |
| 22:32.28 | pipeline | cantido: if only that were true. The later Sun workstations were essentially PCs, just with SPARC CPU instead of intel. And an extra 0 on the price tag :P |
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| 22:33.12 | pipeline | cantido: I still have a 1.5 GHz SPARC workstation under my desk at work. My god is that thing a dog. Horrible. And it won't run debian, either. Wrong graphics chipset :( |
| 22:33.31 | eptalon | pipeline: the other thing I played with was a 450 (server), with like 4 cpus. |
| 22:33.32 | thewanderer1 | elik: yes, this looks scary. you'd better complain on bugs.debian.org that the dependencies are too wide... |
| 22:34.01 | pipeline | eptalon: yeah the E450 was still basically a PC with SPARC substituting for pentium :P |
| 22:34.22 | thewanderer1 | eliminating wpasupplicant's dependency on pcscd is something I'd like to see as well |
| 22:34.26 | pipeline | eptalon: but it was a REALLY NICE pc :) |
| 22:35.02 | eptalon | pipeline: it was a really nice (heavy) box, that was properietary as hell, but felt goof |
| 22:35.05 | eptalon | er good |
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| 22:35.44 | elik | thewanderer1: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=612842 |
| 22:35.51 | elik | thewanderer1: someone beat me to it :) |
| 22:35.56 | pipeline | eptalon: the really fancy proprietary stuff was like, E3800, E4k/E5k. Insanely fast system busses by the standards of the day. You could stick 6 CPUs in an E4k before saturating the system bus. The E3500/3800, hell I don't think you could saturate the system bus... you could just add CPUs to max capacity and not suffer contention. |
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| 22:36.19 | pipeline | eptalon: small, too. An E4500 is like 10U, but you can stuff 12 CPUs in it. |
| 22:36.24 | thewanderer1 | elik: depends on HAL now, which is obsolete? couldn't be worse :P |
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| 22:36.55 | thewanderer1 | pipeline, eptalon: ok, you will now wander to â #debian-offtopic :) |
| 22:37.09 | elik | thewanderer1: yeah, just read the bug report... I didn't know hal had been obsolete |
| 22:37.46 | elik | thewanderer1: but yeah, I did see that being installed too |
| 22:37.52 | katsrc | what is a good video streaming solution? |
| 22:37.57 | eptalon | thewanderer1: I won't wander... |
| 22:38.26 | eptalon | will try staying ontopic |
| 22:38.42 | thewanderer1 | katsrc: hmm, VLC? or do you mean permanent? |
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| 22:39.47 | thewanderer1 | it depends whether you want to stream on demand or in realtime (broadcast stuff from a camera) |
| 22:40.19 | pozic | I doubt anything open-source can stream broadcast level quality, since there are companies which do this and sell products for this. |
| 22:40.54 | katsrc | thewanderer1: permanent |
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| 22:41.19 | thewanderer1 | katsrc: http://www.cherokee-project.com/doc/cookbook_streaming.html -- integrated with Cherokee webserver, which is in Debian repo |
| 22:41.19 | ansgar | pozic: There are also companies that sell operating systems, so that's not really an argument ;) |
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| 22:41.33 | katsrc | _thalamus: thanks |
| 22:41.43 | eptalon | pozic: where would the technical difficulties be? |
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| 22:43.05 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: hmm nobody is giving Internet links for free :P but pozic probably mistook streaming media for, you know, a complete broadcast solution from camera to end-user |
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| 22:43.24 | pozic | eptalon: I think those solutions used custom hardware. |
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| 22:43.46 | pozic | eptalon: so, it is something of which only a few people know about in detail. |
| 22:43.57 | pozic | eptalon: an operating system is CS 101. |
| 22:43.58 | eptalon | pozic: I was more thinking querying webcam 5 times a minute, and update on-disk image based on thart |
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| 22:44.20 | pozic | eptalon: well, that is basically trivial. |
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| 22:44.31 | thewanderer1 | sure... apt-get install webcam and you're done |
| 22:45.13 | eptalon | pozic: what else would you have expected, now we can introduce a proprietary protocol ofr querying the camera, or something; but the task itself remains trivial |
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| 22:45.50 | eptalon | or replace update file with write to socket, doesn't change much either. |
| 22:46.48 | pozic | eptalon: it depends on the type of equipment you have. Consumer level stuff works, sure. |
| 22:46.49 | Devastator | thewanderer1 hi, good night, how are you? |
| 22:47.06 | thewanderer1 | hi Devastator. fine |
| 22:47.27 | lewnidas_ | hello.... i just install wheezy and i'm truing to get work my nvidia card from wiki but i get this error : http://pastebin.com/Eg9q37MT can you tell me what i'm doing wrong plz...?? |
| 22:47.33 | eptalon | pozic: I still dont see the technical difficulty... |
| 22:48.20 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: I bet it's only in the minds of producers/"artists" now anyway... you know. Apple'n'stuff |
| 22:48.39 | pozic | eptalon: if the protocol is undocumented, all you can do is reverse-engineer the protocol if you already have a working driver for some other OS. |
| 22:48.52 | pozic | eptalon: look at samba how long that took. |
| 22:49.00 | eptalon | pozic: true. |
| 22:49.05 | thewanderer1 | lewnidas_: are you sure you should be using wheezy if you can't fix this yourself? |
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| 22:50.05 | gp5st1 | is there anyway to tell if an X screen exists? like is there a way to Xvfb :1 -screen 0 if :1 isn't there? |
| 22:50.25 | lewnidas_ | thewanderer1, and what is better for me...??? |
| 22:50.34 | thewanderer1 | lewnidas_: Squeeze, the stable branch |
| 22:50.57 | thewanderer1 | lewnidas_: Wheezy is currently worse than sid - you need much experience to use it at the moment |
| 22:51.04 | gp5st1 | actually, a better option would be a process monitor (like upstart or the debian equiv?) |
| 22:51.14 | eptalon | thewanderer1: wheezy is the new testing? |
| 22:51.20 | thewanderer1 | eptalon: yes |
| 22:51.27 | eptalon | Oh. :) |
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| 22:51.44 | thewanderer1 | gp5st1: search the process list, see if anything shows up for your given display |
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| 22:52.06 | lewnidas_ | thewanderer1, in Squeeze this is working out of the box....??? |
| 22:52.15 | gp5st1 | thewanderer1: i was thinking that, didn't know if there was a more kosher way |
| 22:52.19 | thewanderer1 | lewnidas_: it should. you at least won't run into dependency problems |
| 22:53.01 | thewanderer1 | gp5st1: play around with /tmp/.X11-unix/ and see if it corresponds to displays - it looks like it could |
| 22:53.07 | Devastator | thewanderer1 are you too busy? |
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| 22:53.14 | thewanderer1 | Devastator: nope |
| 22:53.26 | Devastator | thewanderer1 can i pm you by any chance? |
| 22:53.28 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 22:54.06 | lewnidas_ | thewanderer1, ok, i will install it tomorrow to try it... tnx for your time.... :) |
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| 22:54.52 | evoke | hey guys, does anyone know the system path on the debian platform |
| 22:55.08 | evoke | tried looking on the internet for it |
| 22:55.15 | evoke | but no result |
| 22:56.09 | simonrvn | system path? |
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| 22:56.25 | simonrvn | you mean $PATH maybe? |
| 22:57.07 | evoke | maybe that what it mean in the tutorial |
| 22:57.29 | simonrvn | start looking at /etc/profile |
| 22:57.38 | simonrvn | start by* |
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| 22:58.29 | evoke | yea that was it |
| 22:58.51 | evoke | they are comparing it to windows in the setup |
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| 23:02.06 | simonrvn | i prefer PATH ;). much saner way to handle executables IMO/IME. |
| 23:02.19 | simonrvn | (the unix way) |
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| 23:04.02 | thewanderer1 | simonrvn: it exists on Windows too :P |
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| 23:04.23 | lewnidas_ | thewanderer1, if i install 64bit will i have some more problems than 32bit...? i have 64bit machine..... |
| 23:05.35 | thewanderer1 | lewnidas_: currently it works rather well... no PlayStation One simulator for you, though :P |
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| 23:06.26 | simonrvn | i know, but they do weird shit |
| 23:06.59 | simonrvn | that's why i specified 'the unix way' |
| 23:07.26 | lewnidas_ | thewanderer1, :) tnx...!!!! |
| 23:07.31 | pozic | simonrvn: the Windows way is the unix way these days. |
| 23:07.44 | pozic | simonrvn: it is just that no Windows user knows that. |
| 23:07.57 | simonrvn | pozic: they have a bin dir or such? |
| 23:08.23 | pozic | simonrvn: they also have PATH on Windows. |
| 23:08.30 | pozic | simonrvn: and there are command line tools to set it. |
| 23:08.32 | simonrvn | i know... |
| 23:08.52 | pozic | simonrvn: there is no need for a GUI to set it (anymore?). |
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| 23:09.16 | pozic | simonrvn: what were you talking about then? |
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| 23:09.26 | simonrvn | probably has one still... |
| 23:09.28 | thewanderer1 | export PATH=".:$PATH"; export PS1="C:\\>" |
| 23:09.52 | thewanderer1 | welcome to the 90's |
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| 23:10.40 | simonrvn | the fact that the unix way of handling executables is better than stuff like C:\Foo Bar\Program Files\Some Random Thing\someexecutable.exe;C:\..... |
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| 23:12.24 | ZykoticK9 | lewnidas_, I use both pSX and epsxe (both PS1 emulators) on a 64bit debian install, i'm not sure what thewanderer1 is referring to |
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| 23:13.31 | thewanderer1 | ZykoticK9: psone I think - someone noticed it was missing from amd64 |
| 23:13.32 | simonrvn | . in PATH isn't very wise imo |
| 23:13.52 | Lewoco | Does linux have something equivalent to Microsoft Word's "Outline View"? |
| 23:14.13 | ZykoticK9 | thewanderer1, "psone" is an emulator I take it. Will have to look into that one. |
| 23:14.18 | simonrvn | linux is a kernel |
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| 23:18.52 | simonrvn | Lewoco: abiword, libre/openoffice - i have no idea what this "outline view" is |
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| 23:19.31 | Noor_eg | hello |
| 23:19.58 | Noor_eg | now i install wine qt and its ask me for the instlation place of wine server |
| 23:20.21 | Noor_eg | does anyone tried that before |
| 23:20.22 | Noor_eg | ? |
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| 23:20.27 | thewanderer1 | clearly you're doing something wrong, like omitting the package system |
| 23:21.05 | Noor_eg | what do u mean |
| 23:21.08 | Noor_eg | sorry |
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| 23:21.38 | thewanderer1 | how are you installing that? |
| 23:22.07 | simonrvn | "i'm compiling it" |
| 23:22.12 | Noor_eg | no |
| 23:22.18 | Noor_eg | im using package manager |
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| 23:22.39 | thewanderer1 | so what's the exact package name and command you're using? |
| 23:23.28 | Noor_eg | i clicked in the exe file and choosed availavle package then choosed wineqt and then install |
| 23:23.31 | simonrvn | hasn't word since it was version 5 ... |
| 23:23.40 | simonrvn | hasn't used* |
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| 23:26.14 | thewanderer1 | Noor_eg: in what exe file? |
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| 23:28.21 | Slie | Hello |
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| 23:33.14 | _Dave123_ | Does anyone know a good alternative to ISPconfig? |
| 23:33.56 | mustard | hi. nvidia-glx is not installable any more under unstable - clashes with xserver-xorg - any way round this? |
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| 23:35.01 | nkuttler | mustard: a few days ago it was possible to install the stable xorg in sid |
| 23:35.13 | mustard | xserver-xorg core is v 2:1.9.4 but nvidia glx from unstable distro expects less than 2:1.7 |
| 23:35.30 | mustard | nkuttler: oh? will give it a try. |
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| 23:38.39 | whompapotamus | _Dave123_: Give http://isp-control.net/project-info.html a go |
| 23:38.46 | aguitel | is there something wrong in my system coz all mirrors are slow when i update or make safe-upgrade ? |
| 23:39.51 | digdeep | hi, one of my servers' ip is changing to 67.215.65.132 (something related OpenDNS). Could anyone tell me what is going on? |
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| 23:42.14 | digdeep | something related to hit-nxdomain.opendns.com |
| 23:42.22 | Innocentus | hi |
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| 23:43.11 | apollo13 | digdeep: server changing ips themself are a very rare species :þ you have to get into more detail (maybe the machine got rooted?) |
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| 23:44.15 | thewanderer1 | also, if it's really "changing IP", as in "is available under a new address", then it's probably moving :P |
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| 23:44.38 | jonas_ | who know about HP ? i got to enable LO100i proliant onboard administration to run the vKVM |
| 23:45.09 | marshalmc | trying to run a script that runs a java program and uses the GUI to configure an application but i get Can't connect to x11 window server using ':1.0' as the value of the DISPLAY variable |
| 23:45.23 | marshalmc | i am connected with vnc |
| 23:46.01 | thewanderer1 | marshalmc: did you change user before running that? (su, sudo) |
| 23:46.10 | marshalmc | correct |
| 23:46.15 | thewanderer1 | so that's your problem |
| 23:46.23 | marshalmc | hmm |
| 23:46.33 | marshalmc | seems to be the case |
| 23:46.37 | thewanderer1 | you're running that as root or what? |
| 23:46.47 | marshalmc | so i have to configure root's gui stuff |
| 23:46.56 | thewanderer1 | !gksu |
| 23:46.56 | dpkg | well, gksu is a graphical interface for running X apps as another user such as root. aptitude install gksu. If you have set your machine up with sudo to allow you to run any command you want, then you can make gksu use "sudo" mode all the time by running "gconftool-2 -t bool -s /apps/gksu/sudo-mode 1". Also ask me about <sux>. |
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| 23:48.17 | marshalmc | sudo works |
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| 23:48.23 | marshalmc | didn't want to have to use sudo but oh well |
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| 23:49.53 | valdyn | !sux |
| 23:49.53 | dpkg | sux is a utility for running X apps as a different user. "aptitude install sux" and documentation at http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ . Also ask me about <root x> for other alternatives. Sux is also the way some people spell sucks and usually implies that they don't know what they are talking about; ask me about <u>. |
| 23:49.59 | thewanderer1 | guys, what is the preferred Java implementation under Debian now? |
| 23:50.22 | rainabba | I've got a bootable flash drive (USB) I built using MultiBoot ISO (Pendrivelinux.com). I want the ability to install Debian amd64 from it. I cannot use the DVD because it's too large for fat32 so I intend to use multiple CDs. I have a general idea how that goes, but am having trouble finding a good tutorial. Anyone know of one? In particular how to setup the Grub2 menu.list and how to prep the |
| 23:50.22 | rainabba | FS for the ISO? |
| 23:50.46 | rainabba | If not, can someone tell me which CDs I'll "need" just to get things moving (again, not netboot)? |
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| 23:51.52 | thewanderer1 | and why can't you use netinst CD? |
| 23:51.54 | rainabba | This is also a bit of an excercise for me personally so feel free to "bait" :) |
| 23:52.18 | rainabba | thewanderer1: Not that I can't, but that will take far longer than using bittorrent to grab what I need. Space isn't a concern. |
| 23:52.46 | thewanderer1 | I don't see how bittorrent would be slower than HTTP install |
| 23:52.49 | rainabba | I have a 60Mb connection that I can generally saturate with linux distro torrents :) |
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| 23:52.52 | thewanderer1 | err faster |
| 23:53.17 | thewanderer1 | and you absolutely need to use this mushy old fat32? |
| 23:53.43 | rainabba | Don't know how to do the same setup with a better FS (or if it can even be done). Can it? |
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| 23:53.58 | thewanderer1 | same setup, being multiple distributions on one pendrive? |
| 23:54.06 | rainabba | I'd at least prefer a FS that is natively supported in Windows and Linux. |
| 23:54.18 | rainabba | thewanderer1: Yes |
| 23:54.21 | thewanderer1 | that's difficult... |
| 23:54.26 | Innocentus | Question: Is it s/m to upgrade a ssh-controlled v-server from lenny (5) to squeeze (6)? |
| 23:54.48 | rainabba | thewanderer1: Hence the "learning experience" aspect :) |
| 23:54.57 | rainabba | "Easy" way is no fun. |
| 23:55.10 | valdyn | Innocentus: dangerous, we cannot support your v-servers specific setup |
| 23:55.27 | thewanderer1 | rainabba: you'd better get netinst, install only the basic stuff, then get apt-p2p and install the rest by hand after you've installed the system and booted into it |
| 23:55.35 | valdyn | Innocentus: that means that the only one who could would be your service provider |
| 23:55.59 | rainabba | thewanderer1: Thanks for the suggestion. |
| 23:56.48 | Innocentus | what means 'support'? |
| 23:56.57 | digdeep | Hi guys, could you give me a hand? |
| 23:57.03 | Innocentus | you mean the connection will cancel out and I cannot connect to it during the upgrade? |
| 23:57.13 | digdeep | try to ping artiste.arts.unimelb.edu.au |
| 23:57.15 | thewanderer1 | digdeep: -< imagine this is a hand |
| 23:57.21 | valdyn | Innocentus: no, i mean that your vserver cannot really be debian so we cannot know anything |
| 23:58.04 | thewanderer1 | valdyn: vserver is supported in Debian... |
| 23:58.16 | valdyn | thewanderer1: so? |
| 23:58.17 | thewanderer1 | i.e. we have kernels and userland in main |
| 23:58.32 | Innocentus | but it iis virtualized? |
| 23:58.38 | valdyn | Innocentus: "uname -r" |
| 23:58.54 | Innocentus | 2.6.20-xen-r6 |
| 23:58.57 | Innocentus | good? |
| 23:59.06 | valdyn | thewanderer1: ^^^ does that look like a debian kernel? |
| 23:59.10 | thewanderer1 | nope |
| 23:59.13 | valdyn | Innocentus: no, not good |
| 23:59.23 | thewanderer1 | yeah, kernel upgrade will be like BORK BORK BORK |
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| 23:59.38 | Innocentus | lol |
| 23:59.42 | cwg | Hi folks - if I've downloaded a deb file, can I install the program to a location of my choice? |
| 23:59.53 | digdeep | when I ping artiste.arts.unimelb.edu.au, shouldn't I get the same responds from artiste.arts.unimelb.edu.au? |