| 00:00.01 | Innocentus | valdyn: so I have to ask my provider, right? |
| 00:00.03 | valdyn | Innocentus: it may work, it may not work, we cant know |
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| 00:00.10 | valdyn | Innocentus: yes |
| 00:00.27 | Innocentus | I shouldn't try it, not an a production server |
| 00:00.59 | Innocentus | will a kernel upgrade smash the whole machine or only my domain? |
| 00:01.05 | Innocentus | I mean my vserver-site |
| 00:01.14 | Innocentus | can I try it on some test-account? |
| 00:01.32 | valdyn | Innocentus: you cannot affect the server i think |
| 00:01.48 | valdyn | Innocentus: and you also cannot boot a different kernel |
| 00:02.07 | Innocentus | valdyn: also not on zen? |
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| 00:02.24 | valdyn | Innocentus: im not certain about that, i dont know how exactly xen works |
| 00:02.55 | Innocentus | valdyn: and debian 6 relies on a newer kernel than debian 5? do I need the newer kernel at all? |
| 00:03.12 | valdyn | Innocentus: defenitely for full support |
| 00:03.14 | Innocentus | the userland upgrades are more interesting for m |
| 00:03.34 | valdyn | Innocentus: udev is the first candidate for breakage i would think |
| 00:03.37 | Innocentus | valdyn: I fear I need to move my whole site to a new vserver in order to upgrade, can this be? |
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| 00:04.23 | valdyn | Innocentus: if your provider cannot upgrade the kernel |
| 00:05.38 | Innocentus | valdyn: when there are other users on the same machine, the provder needs to ask them all before? |
| 00:05.47 | Innocentus | valdyn: does xen also allow individual kernels? |
| 00:05.50 | stereophonic | Hello, i'm having some issues with Tigon3/SunFire V20z, it seems as if it either does not load the correct moduel. My box comes with 2xGigE and they all connect fine at 1000Mbps etc, but the speeds i get from WAN is max 10Mbps? |
| 00:06.15 | cafuego | Xen allows you run run any xen domU kernel in paravirt mode |
| 00:06.24 | cafuego | or any standard kernel in full virt mode. |
| 00:06.34 | Innocentus | cool |
| 00:06.38 | cafuego | How you do that depends on whether you have dom0 access I guess |
| 00:06.49 | Onryo | I got a question that I feel is an important issue. Since there is no intel irc I thought I would ask here. As you might know the Sandy Bridge has a DRM and even worse its so called "Anti-Theft" system that can remotely lock you out of your own CPU remotely . I won't perches the SB if the Anti-Theft can be disabled. Can it? |
| 00:07.06 | cafuego | I run an crufty old VM on a 2.6.18 kenrel on a xen dom0 that runs 2.6.32 |
| 00:07.09 | Innocentus | thewanderer1: Phone: "Admin, I have just upgraded my Debian to Squeeze." Admin: "BORK BORK BORK" |
| 00:07.28 | abrotman | Onryo: ##hardware |
| 00:07.36 | Innocentus | cafuego / valdyn: so chances are I don't need to move |
| 00:07.44 | Innocentus | because moving 3 gigs isn't very funny |
| 00:07.49 | cafuego | Innocentus: Depends on where and how you're hosted? |
| 00:08.22 | Onryo | If you really want to make Xen protect your system try something like this. recommending custom-configured Xen that would be making use of things like VT-d for Dom0 disaggregation, TPM and TXT for secured boot, and high isolation through customized DomU partitioning. Each DomU would be running a hardened version of Linux. |
| 00:08.53 | Innocentus | rihgt |
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| 00:09.13 | cafuego | Innocentus: I control dom0 and domU so for me it's easy. |
| 00:09.37 | Innocentus | cafuego: can I control xen by myself or has only the provider got the ability to do this? |
| 00:09.47 | cafuego | Innocentus: Again, that depends on their setup. |
| 00:09.49 | Onryo | abrotman thx for the channel info over at hardware |
| 00:10.03 | xelister | on installation, how to have full-disk encryption (like in Ubuntu on alternative install cd) - e.g. lvm + crytpo ? |
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| 00:10.43 | Innocentus | I have sent them a mail, let's see what they say |
| 00:11.00 | Innocentus | *just sent |
| 00:12.02 | Onryo | ok... Cannot join #hardware (Channel is invite only). How do I do that? |
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| 00:12.26 | stereophonic | so yeah, could tigon3 have something to do with my WAN connection being only 10Mbps while my internal/LAN connections seem to be fine? |
| 00:12.28 | Innocentus | Invite-only channel? |
| 00:12.33 | thewanderer1 | Onryo: register your nick |
| 00:12.34 | Innocentus | why do they do this? |
| 00:12.47 | Onryo | kk thx |
| 00:12.58 | cafuego | Innocentus: To stop spammers |
| 00:13.23 | thewanderer1 | xelister: there's an option for that in guided partitioning |
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| 00:13.51 | Innocentus | cafuego: but why do they do this on #hardware, but not f.ex. on #debian? |
| 00:14.05 | cafuego | Innocentus: Depends on the chanops |
| 00:14.06 | xelister | thewanderer1: how easy is that...? or what options to select? to have a huge container (entire hdd) encrypted, and inside it the / and swap and /home etc |
| 00:14.09 | flock-_ | how do I see what time is it in the machine? |
| 00:14.33 | cafuego | flock-_: type 'date' |
| 00:15.23 | thewanderer1 | xelister: quite easy - you choose "Guided partitioning - encrypted" or sth like that. or you can do that by hand - just read the documentation |
| 00:15.31 | xelister | k |
| 00:16.01 | Innocentus | good that I have asked here before I went to upgrade the debian |
| 00:16.17 | Mad7Scientst | I have a list of file paths in a file, one on each line. Some paths have spaces in them. How do I feed the list of files to a program like ls? doing $ ls `cat list.txt` works but it messes up when it comes across the files with spaces |
| 00:16.41 | thewanderer1 | Mad7Scientst: try xargs |
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| 00:20.29 | Mad7Scientst | thewanderer1, thanks |
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| 00:24.58 | Mad7Scientst | thewanderer1, xargs is still doing the problem with the spaces |
| 00:25.22 | thewanderer1 | Mad7Scientst: did you use --delimiter ? |
| 00:25.31 | Mad7Scientst | let me try thx |
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| 00:28.52 | jhutchins_lt | Mad7Scientst: You can always edith the file and escape the spaces. |
| 00:29.00 | Mad7Scientst | it still thinks spaces are special with -n \\n |
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| 00:29.15 | Mad7Scientst | Well actually it doesn't -- what I want it to do is put quotes around each line I guess |
| 00:29.29 | Mad7Scientst | maybe I can put quotes with sed and then use xargs let me try thanks jhutchins |
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| 00:31.52 | jhutchins_lt | Mad7Scientst: I would escape them with \, but quotes will probably work. |
| 00:32.01 | jhutchins_lt | g:/ /s//\ /g |
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| 00:32.17 | jhutchins_lt | er, :g not g: |
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| 00:32.41 | thgrtuy | cat list.txt | tr '\n' '\0' | xargs -0 ls |
| 00:32.43 | thgrtuy | might work |
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| 00:33.55 | Mad7Scientst | If I use sed to put everything in quotes I can copy and paste the output and do ls <paste> |
| 00:34.33 | Mad7Scientst | thgrtuy, what does -0 do? |
| 00:34.47 | Mad7Scientst | Ok with xargs it still treats spaces as special |
| 00:35.07 | Mad7Scientst | But I am confused |
| 00:35.13 | thgrtuy | did you try what I sent you? |
| 00:35.16 | Mad7Scientst | I am using ls `.... xargs` |
| 00:35.27 | thgrtuy | it turns the newlines into NULLs and tells xargs to split on NULLs |
| 00:36.18 | Mad7Scientst | ls: unrecognized option '-------------------------------------------------------------------------------' |
| 00:36.44 | Mad7Scientst | my bad sorry. |
| 00:36.51 | thgrtuy | sounds like a header line in your file |
| 00:36.59 | Mad7Scientst | yes |
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| 00:41.40 | lwithers | Mad7Scientst: not sure if you still need help; but something like this should work: |
| 00:41.53 | Mad7Scientst | my goodness xargs -0 ls works |
| 00:41.55 | lwithers | while read -r line; do ls "${line}"; done < list_of_files |
| 00:42.30 | Mad7Scientst | I don't get why my method of putting everything in quotes inside `` on a single line does not work |
| 00:43.08 | Mad7Scientst | lwithers, thanks that works too |
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| 00:43.59 | Mad7Scientst | using sed each file is within quotes -> when it goes to xargs it all gets put on a single line |
| 00:44.06 | Mad7Scientst | let me try tr instead of xargs |
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| 00:44.57 | emerson | hello I did istall squeeze but I'm struggling to install a couple of things, like KGpg that doesn't work ..anyonw willing to help me out ...? |
| 00:46.24 | Mad7Scientst | why is $ tr -c \\n 9 |
| 00:46.30 | Mad7Scientst | replacing everything with 9's |
| 00:46.36 | Mad7Scientst | I put AAAAAAA |
| 00:46.41 | Mad7Scientst | it puts 9999999 |
| 00:46.52 | Mad7Scientst | I thought it would replace the enter character with a 9 |
| 00:47.02 | thgrtuy | its the -c |
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| 00:47.06 | thgrtuy | why are you doing that? |
| 00:47.18 | Mad7Scientst | I want to convert all CR in to spaces |
| 00:47.38 | elik | mdadm somehow decided to rebuild my array, but I can't find what caused it to |
| 00:47.47 | thgrtuy | that would be tr '\n' ' ' |
| 00:48.05 | Mad7Scientst | that's right tr without any options does what I want |
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| 00:50.33 | Mad7Scientst | I need to learn about command lines! |
| 00:50.49 | Mad7Scientst | in bash doing $ ls "one 1" "two 2" "three 3" |
| 00:50.59 | Mad7Scientst | Is 3 arguments |
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| 00:51.38 | ZykoticK9 | Mad7Scientst, technically files aren't arguments per-say |
| 00:51.58 | elik | Mad7Scientst: what is the problem at hand |
| 00:52.06 | elik | Mad7Scientst: argument 0 is the command name |
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| 00:58.01 | thewanderer1 | so what about Java? what VM should I use? |
| 00:58.23 | thewanderer1 | just need to run some program and don't like non-free |
| 00:59.40 | arand | Trying to make a deb which simply moves files, I need to unzip one of these, how could I do that in debian/rules? |
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| 01:00.22 | aguitel | is there sample sources.list to share ? |
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| 01:01.27 | Mad7Scientst | elik, ls `echo "\"arg 1\" \"arg 2\" \"arg s p a c e s 3\""` |
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| 01:01.42 | Mad7Scientst | Things which are inside `` do not behave the same was as if they were typed in |
| 01:01.47 | Mad7Scientst | quotes are ignored for one |
| 01:02.25 | Mad7Scientst | I want to run echo "\"arg 1\" \"arg 2\" \"arg s p a c e s 3\" and have ls run on those 3 arguments |
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| 01:03.25 | abrotman | aguitel: for squeezE? |
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| 01:03.39 | aguitel | abrotman, yes |
| 01:03.50 | abrotman | !tell aguitel about squeeze sources.list |
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| 01:06.53 | JairunCaloth | Hey guys, I seem to be having trouble getting my PCI sound card working. I belive it has something to do with the PCI to PCI-e chip. But I'm not sure. |
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| 01:08.02 | Mad7Scientst | I don't think so |
| 01:08.04 | Mad7Scientst | does it show up in lspci |
| 01:08.50 | JairunCaloth | yeah, it's there |
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| 01:09.08 | JairunCaloth | EMU10K1_Audigy: probe of 0000:05:00.0 failed with error -5 |
| 01:09.18 | JairunCaloth | there's the only error I see in dmesg |
| 01:09.26 | peterrooney | Mad7Scientst: you might do much better asking in #bash, though they do expect you to have read the wildly informative /topic beforehand. |
| 01:09.40 | JairunCaloth | this is on my new sandy bridge P67 system |
| 01:09.51 | JairunCaloth | I've never had trouble out of this card |
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| 01:10.59 | JairunCaloth | the P67 chipset doesn't have native PCI support. Mobo manufactures are using a pci to pci-e brdige to add pci support. |
| 01:11.16 | JairunCaloth | already disabled onboard sound in bios to make sure it wasn't conflicting |
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| 01:14.35 | JairunCaloth | not finding any info on error -5 |
| 01:14.48 | JairunCaloth | all my googling is comming back with people getting error -12 |
| 01:14.48 | Mad7Scientst | peterrooney, thanks |
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| 01:15.40 | Mad7Scientst | xargs ls is working |
| 01:15.56 | Mad7Scientst | but now I need to know | xargs cp <list of files from xargs> /destination/path |
| 01:16.22 | Mad7Scientst | xargs is putting everything at the end |
| 01:16.30 | thewanderer1 | wouldn't it be easier to write a C program to do what you want? |
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| 01:17.32 | Bushmills | man page tells you how |
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| 01:19.52 | drgr33n | Hey guys. I have a little problem. I'm trying to install wheezy from the net install iso but the install is failing when installing the base system. I'm getting cannot run chroot /target dpkg blah blah base*.deb |
| 01:20.14 | drgr33n | When I look at the virtual console I'm getting sh no such command |
| 01:20.30 | drgr33n | so I look into /target/bin and theres no sh |
| 01:20.40 | drgr33n | ? |
| 01:21.08 | drgr33n | So I copied sh from /bin and tried again and it looks like I also need awk ? |
| 01:21.22 | thewanderer1 | errr what iso are you using? |
| 01:21.32 | drgr33n | debian-testing |
| 01:21.43 | thewanderer1 | so perhaps it's broken :P |
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| 01:21.59 | megana | Hi Debian |
| 01:22.02 | epsilon | drgr33n: thx for testing, file a bug |
| 01:22.02 | drgr33n | lol |
| 01:22.23 | thewanderer1 | yeah, they'll fix it quicker thanks to a precise report |
| 01:22.32 | megana | I'm trying to follow this guide, but I can't find the "bluez" package nor can I find bluetooth-agent |
| 01:23.23 | epsilon | megana: apt-cache searh bluetooth, pick the package you need |
| 01:24.13 | drgr33n | where do I find the full log ? |
| 01:24.38 | thewanderer1 | drgr33n: try /var/log/install* |
| 01:25.07 | mirv_ | anyone know what channel i can try asking about a problem running autocad in a virtualbox winxp machine on a squeeze host? |
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| 01:25.51 | drgr33n | install not in /var/log or /target/var/log |
| 01:26.10 | Azrael_- | mirek: quite a combination :) |
| 01:26.30 | mirv_ | yeah... hence my dilemma :P |
| 01:26.30 | Azrael_- | mirek: probably a quite random error like random failures without any pattern :) |
| 01:27.26 | thewanderer1 | mirv_: try #vbox - it's supposedly a graphics problem |
| 01:27.36 | nkuttler | mirv_: see if you can reproduce it on a true xp host.. |
| 01:27.42 | thewanderer1 | also, a ##windows channel exists... |
| 01:28.05 | megana | epsilon, thanks, but there doesn't seem to be a package for me :( I already have blue-utils. The rest don't seem to apply to my need |
| 01:28.23 | karlpinc | Where can I go read squeeze man pages? |
| 01:29.00 | dvs | karlpinc: read what? |
| 01:29.28 | karlpinc | dvs: The man pages that are part of the squeeze release. (I specifically want to see addgroup.) |
| 01:29.28 | mirv_ | k. thanx thewanderer1. i'll try that channel. i'll also see if i'm able to get it working on a windows host (big pain in the butt through i see where you're coming from) |
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| 01:29.38 | dvs | karlpinc: man addgroup |
| 01:29.44 | karlpinc | dvs: I'm on lenny. |
| 01:29.46 | drgr33n | bah looking at syslog it looks like my iso may be corrupt loads of missing packages and ignored warnings |
| 01:29.51 | epsilon | megana: bluez is in main pool. Which debian version and arch are you using? did you try apt-get update? |
| 01:30.19 | megana | my kernel is 2.6.26 and I have lenny |
| 01:30.19 | karlpinc | dvs: I want to see the squeeze page. |
| 01:30.30 | thewanderer1 | drgr33n: check the md5 sum |
| 01:30.30 | dvs | karlpinc: Google? I can't imagine there would be many differences |
| 01:30.43 | thewanderer1 | drgr33n: not of ISO, but the disk itself - some burners are funky |
| 01:31.09 | anigma | when I make a new file (ie. with touch) bash seems to create huge spaces between each file when I do 'ls'. I can't remember that happening before! Is that by default or could I have done something to mess it up? |
| 01:31.18 | megana | epsilon, I see bluez-<something> and bluetooth, which I already installed. I just do not have the program "bluetooth-agent" |
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| 01:31.20 | karlpinc | dvs: Me neither, but I'm editing a debian wiki page and somebody's adding something suspicious and it's possible they are right (but have bad grammer) and I want to check it out. (And want to be sure I'm looking at the right man page.) |
| 01:32.13 | epsilon | anigma: what dou you men by "space between each file"? |
| 01:32.58 | jmarsden | anigma: does ls -1 (that is a number 1 after the - ) show you all your files, one per line? if so, the files are fine. |
| 01:33.05 | Technicus | Hello . . . what is the procedure to configure the laptop remote that comes with an HP Pavilion DV9700? |
| 01:33.07 | drgr33n | could be the case ? the md5 matches :( I#m using unetbootin to setup a usb stick |
| 01:33.30 | anigma | epsilon: usually when I do 'ls' the output is "file1 file2 file3" but now it does "file1 file2 file3" |
| 01:33.52 | epsilon | is that space or tab? |
| 01:33.57 | drgr33n | first thing I notice in the logs is resolver (libc6-udeb) package doesn;t exist. (ignored) |
| 01:34.20 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: http://rkaw.pl/adduser.8.gz (I hope the DNS is updated... might not work otherwise) |
| 01:34.35 | epsilon | drgr33n: broken ISO or CD, don't use it if you want stable installation |
| 01:34.52 | anigma | epsilon: how do I check that? |
| 01:35.12 | anigma | epsilon: the stuff I just wrote was just an example, and it looks like irssi doesn't do tab. |
| 01:35.21 | anigma | so I had to space it... |
| 01:35.28 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: just download and point man to it, like `man adduser.8.gz` |
| 01:35.35 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: Thanks. |
| 01:35.39 | drgr33n | I don't mind a bit of tinkering I'll look into it more tomorrow or just install squeeze and upgrade via apt-get. Cheers |
| 01:35.39 | Mad7Scientst | thewanderer1, yes a C program would :) |
| 01:36.26 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: Sorry, not resolving. :-( |
| 01:36.26 | thewanderer1 | Mad7Scientst: or even a Bash script can do the job... just slower :P |
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| 01:36.39 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: aww... moment |
| 01:37.05 | Mad7Scientst | int main(int argc; char * argv[]{ |
| 01:37.24 | Mad7Scientst | system("... xargs ..."); |
| 01:37.28 | Mad7Scientst | return 0; |
| 01:37.32 | Mad7Scientst | there :) |
| 01:37.38 | thewanderer1 | lol |
| 01:38.01 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: http://gim11.pl/adduser.8.gz - gotta work :) |
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| 01:38.17 | thewanderer1 | (any idea how to make DNS updates faster, by the way?) |
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| 01:38.46 | jmarsden | anigma: ls should set column widths based on the longest filename in the directory... do you have a long filename in there causing the spacing to be larger than you expect? |
| 01:38.59 | drgr33n | can anyone tell me where libc6-udeb is meant to be located in the package pool ? |
| 01:39.16 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: Works, thanks! |
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| 01:40.10 | anigma | jmarsden: atm I have two files present. One named "installed-software.txt" and a dir named "logs" |
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| 01:40.37 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: You configure your dns server to send notifies to the secondaries. Otherwise you can only cut down the ttl so that old entries time out early. (Or cut down the "negative ttl" in the soa that tells how long to cache a "does not exist".) |
| 01:40.57 | jmarsden | anigma: then what is the problem with a little extra space between columns of file names, exactly? |
| 01:40.59 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: The latter won't help much. |
| 01:41.14 | jmarsden | anigma: since you only have two files :) |
| 01:41.25 | anigma | jmarsden: well, when I added a couple more files to test it out... it kind of annoyed me. |
| 01:41.36 | anigma | and I can't remember it being like this |
| 01:41.44 | epsilon | drgr33n: don't try to fix that, just verify the ISO and burn new CD (with different burner/CDR/CDRW) |
| 01:41.48 | thewanderer1 | karlpinc: the secondaries being what? it's an authoritative DNS server for a domain... and I don't know what it's being cached by |
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| 01:42.06 | drgr33n | I'm using unetbootin |
| 01:42.13 | jmarsden | anigma: Does stty size report the size of your terminal window correctly? |
| 01:42.22 | drgr33n | Maybe its my flash drive |
| 01:42.37 | thewanderer1 | drgr33n: there are simple ways to verify your flash drive |
| 01:43.15 | anigma | jmarsden: the measures are "24 80" |
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| 01:43.30 | jmarsden | anigma: and is that the actual current size of the window? |
| 01:43.38 | thewanderer1 | drgr33n: just a big (spanning most of the fs) piece of random data from /dev/urandom and md5sum - should be persistent across umount / unplug / plug / mount |
| 01:43.55 | thewanderer1 | drgr33n: but check the downloaded ISO9660 file first if possible |
| 01:44.35 | drgr33n | ok I'll take a look now |
| 01:44.55 | anigma | jmarsden: yes. |
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| 01:45.57 | jmarsden | anigma: OK, if you really care, you can probably use the -w option to ls to change how ls determines column widths. Other than that, I don't know why it is an issue for you. |
| 01:48.05 | anigma | jmarsden: appreciate it |
| 01:48.18 | anigma | I don't care that much, it just came as a surprise to me. |
| 01:48.22 | jmarsden | anigma: You're welcome. |
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| 01:54.47 | exes | so I would like to enforce any file in a certain directory, or subdirectories of it, to belong to a specific group and be readable by that group... more preferably owned by that specific group and always contain the same permissions. can this be attained by using ACLs? |
| 01:58.42 | Mad7Scientst | % echo "123 abc" | sed 's/[0-9]*/& &/'rn123 123 abc |
| 01:58.50 | Mad7Scientst | Why doesn't sed print 123 abc 123 abc |
| 01:59.07 | Mad7Scientst | doesn't [0-9]* match the 1 and everything after it |
| 01:59.13 | Mad7Scientst | Does the space there stop it somehow? |
| 01:59.19 | thewanderer1 | exes: no, ACL does not control ownership. instead, owner controls the ACL. |
| 01:59.35 | exes | interesting, using OpenBSD I was able to do this... |
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| 01:59.39 | thewanderer1 | exes: perhaps you need to set the SGID bit on directories... |
| 01:59.41 | exes | perhaps it was FreeBSD |
| 01:59.49 | parabyte | hi anyone got any info on how i can put mysql in a chroot jail? |
| 01:59.56 | thewanderer1 | exes: it makes all files owned by that particular group |
| 02:00.11 | thewanderer1 | parabyte: this is not needed and you're not gaining anything, period |
| 02:00.11 | exes | thewanderer1: and subdirectories too? |
| 02:00.12 | parabyte | for a lamp setup |
| 02:00.32 | parabyte | thewanderer1, i wanted to do it for security |
| 02:00.33 | thewanderer1 | exes: I think you need to set this recursively... but try playing around with default ACL and SGID via that |
| 02:00.34 | exes | thewanderer1: including the subdirectories' files? |
| 02:00.38 | thewanderer1 | parabyte: zero gain |
| 02:00.40 | Mad7Scientst | parabyte, why do you need to put mysql in a chroot jail? |
| 02:00.46 | exes | thewanderer1: ok, I'll give it a shot. |
| 02:00.53 | parabyte | if someone exploited it and tried to edit files and such? |
| 02:00.56 | thewanderer1 | exes: default ACL will let you specify all default permissions (overridable by owner) |
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| 02:01.03 | Mad7Scientst | parabyte, what files are they going to edit? |
| 02:01.12 | parabyte | lol i dont know im not a expert at all |
| 02:01.12 | exes | thewanderer1: that's fine, I just want a a default |
| 02:01.15 | exes | -a |
| 02:01.15 | parabyte | lol |
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| 02:01.19 | thewanderer1 | parabyte: if anyone exploits it, they only gain the access of mysql user, not root... unless you run mysql as root |
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| 02:01.34 | parabyte | no i dont run it as root |
| 02:01.37 | Mad7Scientst | parabyte, there aren't any files the mysql user can edit |
| 02:01.44 | thewanderer1 | parabyte: plus, chroot is not a security measure: /msg dpkg escape from chroot |
| 02:01.48 | Mad7Scientst | Unless someone left some mode 666 or 777 files laying around |
| 02:01.52 | parabyte | im using debian powerpc and i found alot of the virtualisation packages dont work |
| 02:02.01 | thewanderer1 | that's understandable |
| 02:02.11 | thewanderer1 | especially OpenVZ which only works for x86/amd64/ia64 |
| 02:02.18 | exes | thewanderer1: BTW, I'm using ext3... I don't have to be running reiserFS or something, right? |
| 02:02.26 | Mad7Scientst | parabyte, PowerPC has the best virtualizer called mol |
| 02:02.38 | Mad7Scientst | It totally beats the others performance wise |
| 02:02.42 | parabyte | mol |
| 02:02.49 | Mad7Scientst | Mac On Linux |
| 02:02.51 | thewanderer1 | exes: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions -- shows you what you need and how to enable |
| 02:02.54 | parabyte | Mad7Scientst, thanks for that tip, i used that many eons ago |
| 02:03.02 | parabyte | to run macos on the machine |
| 02:03.07 | exes | thewanderer1: thank you |
| 02:03.10 | parabyte | didnt accur to me to use that |
| 02:03.21 | Mad7Scientst | On PowerPC reading system registers from user mode triggers a trap |
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| 02:03.40 | Mad7Scientst | Making the job of virtualising user mode code much much more efficient |
| 02:03.55 | parabyte | i can use debootstrap and mol |
| 02:03.57 | parabyte | excellent |
| 02:03.58 | parabyte | :) |
| 02:04.17 | parabyte | mol working in debian 6? |
| 02:04.18 | thewanderer1 | exes: however if you want all files to belong to a group, then... put all your users in that group as primary, no other groups, and make them use your dir... simple as that :P |
| 02:04.24 | Mad7Scientst | Whereas on x86 the virtualiser has to constantly monitor the user mode program being virtualized in case it tries to read from a system register |
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| 02:04.46 | exes | thewanderer1: that won't work, thanks for the advice though. |
| 02:05.15 | Mad7Scientst | With mol user mode virtualised code can run at full speed |
| 02:05.37 | Mad7Scientst | I was amazed at how OS 9 was running at full speed inside linux |
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| 02:05.56 | parabyte | i remember from when i used it |
| 02:05.59 | parabyte | ;) |
| 02:06.03 | thewanderer1 | I'd recommend setting up LXC for service separation |
| 02:06.08 | parabyte | im on the mol site looking at how to do what i want |
| 02:06.24 | Mad7Scientst | dpkg-query search mol |
| 02:06.29 | Mad7Scientst | doesn't show anything? |
| 02:06.38 | Mad7Scientst | you know the kernel modules for mol will have to be compiled |
| 02:07.17 | peterrooney | parabyte: i thought mol had been given up on years ago |
| 02:07.20 | parabyte | yeah i remember doing that |
| 02:07.28 | Mad7Scientst | Now my qemu experience was not as good as mol |
| 02:07.31 | parabyte | peterrooney, looks that way on the site |
| 02:07.35 | parabyte | im going to give it a shot |
| 02:07.38 | parabyte | anyway |
| 02:08.02 | Mad7Scientst | peterrooney, do the kernel modules no longer compile? |
| 02:08.07 | Mad7Scientst | that would be sad |
| 02:08.19 | parabyte | im going to try |
| 02:08.30 | Mad7Scientst | I mean the project is finished mol can't be made any better |
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| 02:09.38 | parabyte | :D |
| 02:09.47 | parabyte | i like it when something cant be made any better |
| 02:09.56 | parabyte | i also looked at that other link lxc |
| 02:10.00 | parabyte | that looks interesting |
| 02:10.11 | parabyte | i doubt my debian 6 ppc has all the support compiled in though |
| 02:10.19 | parabyte | lxc looks alot like zroot off bsd |
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| 02:10.52 | thewanderer1 | zroot? like... jails? |
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| 02:11.50 | parabyte | lol i dont know anything about bsd im chatting to a guy on another channel about his bsd implimentation of jails |
| 02:12.02 | thewanderer1 | lxc rather works in 2.6.36.2 (tried that only) and later (presumably) - not good for production use though :P |
| 02:12.22 | parabyte | really may i ask why |
| 02:13.19 | Mad7Scientst | thewanderer1, that thing about breaking out of chroot() is if you have root access within the chroot() |
| 02:13.37 | un214 | that's what the jail() ssycall was for |
| 02:13.39 | thewanderer1 | Mad7Scientst: yes, but if you've exploited MySQL then you're probably good enough to become root :) |
| 02:13.53 | un214 | it sets a second level trap from which chroot() does not escape |
| 02:13.55 | Mad7Scientst | mysql runs as the mysql user |
| 02:14.01 | un214 | jail() does not nest |
| 02:14.17 | thewanderer1 | parabyte: the userns in kernel is not complete and that allows root user in a container to mount cgroup in a dir, then reassign themselves to another cgroup, the user might break out (only if he has CAP_SYS_ADMIN) |
| 02:14.32 | thewanderer1 | if you manage to drop CAP_SYS_ADMIN without breaking init, you're safe |
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| 02:14.55 | parabyte | okay im going to give that a miss ;) |
| 02:15.00 | thewanderer1 | yes, pivot_root does not nest either... not very easy as a drop-in replacement though |
| 02:15.01 | Mad7Scientst | CAP_SYS_ADMIN is basically root |
| 02:15.03 | parabyte | on the crappy hardware i got to hand im going to try mol |
| 02:15.16 | thewanderer1 | Mad7Scientst: no, it's CAP_SYS_ADMIN :) |
| 02:15.37 | Mad7Scientst | And you can become root with CAP_SYS_ADMIN unless you're on some weird emdedded system |
| 02:16.32 | Mad7Scientst | thewanderer1, you can mount a filesystem with CAP_SYS_ADMIN which has a setuid root shell |
| 02:16.43 | parabyte | maybe host my site on a weird embedded system |
| 02:16.45 | parabyte | lol |
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| 02:17.18 | Mad7Scientst | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.27 | Mad7Scientst | * forge UID when passing socket credentials; |
| 02:17.35 | thewanderer1 | Mad7Scientst: yes, but you can't do anything with a setuid binary if your bounding set excludes any further caps |
| 02:18.07 | thewanderer1 | that is, other than damaging filesystems (custom mount options) and rendering the system unusable :P |
| 02:18.23 | Mad7Scientst | You can load a module |
| 02:18.40 | Mad7Scientst | Can you not also write to I/O ports? |
| 02:18.46 | thewanderer1 | err nope |
| 02:18.53 | thewanderer1 | also no modules :P |
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| 02:19.07 | Mad7Scientst | What CAP is needed to write to memory and I/O addresses? |
| 02:19.09 | Mad7Scientst | Like Xorg does |
| 02:19.23 | thewanderer1 | er... to which memory in particular? |
| 02:19.52 | parabyte | thanks for advice guys but im going to play with mac on linux |
| 02:19.53 | Mad7Scientst | Xorg is able to write to any memory, but it normally just probes video cards and then maps in the video card's memory |
| 02:19.55 | parabyte | got it compiled |
| 02:19.57 | parabyte | thanks for the advice |
| 02:20.02 | parabyte | you guys have a great one |
| 02:20.02 | parabyte | thanks |
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| 02:20.10 | thewanderer1 | Mad7Scientst: CAP_SYS_RAWIO |
| 02:20.12 | Mad7Scientst | have fun with my favorate thing |
| 02:20.18 | hotwings | i updated debian testing mplayer-nogui from 2:1.0~rc3++svn20100804-0.1 to 3:1.0~rc4-0.1 and now a lot of my mkv's are failing to play. example output: http://pastebin.com/AKpxgzka if i downgrade the version back to 2:1.0~rc3++svn20100804-0.1 then everything plays fine again... any ideas? |
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| 02:20.42 | thewanderer1 | hotwings: report the bug :) |
| 02:20.58 | hotwings | ok no prob.. but where? :) |
| 02:20.59 | Mad7Scientst | Well so yeah CAP_SYS_ADMIN gives you root access unless you're on some obscure system which is configured not to |
| 02:21.35 | thewanderer1 | has already reached the obscurest obscurity of all... oh wait. I'm still on x86. |
| 02:21.57 | thewanderer1 | hotwings: hmm... reportbug |
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| 02:22.17 | thewanderer1 | hotwings: also make sure to read all reports before you submit a new one |
| 02:22.41 | digdeep | I got this error --> kernel: [ 8757.069974] apache2[11897]: segfault at 18 ip 00007fe984c55a5a sp 00007fffb8360318 error 4 in libraptor.so.1.2.0[7fe984c3d000+64000] |
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| 02:22.57 | digdeep | what should I do? |
| 02:23.13 | aca20031 | So I fail at linux. Im looking at http://packages.debian.org/sid/libdevel/libanjuta-dev and added 'sid' to my repository file and it installed 2.4 version, im not really sure how to get it to install 2.32 which is what is seen there ^ |
| 02:23.25 | Mad7Scientst | CAP_SYS_RAWIO is a direct path to root. So is CAP_SYS_MODULE |
| 02:23.35 | thewanderer1 | yes Mad7Scientst |
| 02:23.51 | Mad7Scientst | Then there are a whole bunch of other capabilities which would allow you to become root and take over on a standard linux system |
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| 02:24.09 | thewanderer1 | digdeep: fix the application or the library... or switch to a more stable package if available. also, bug reports are welcome if you can reproduce this behaviour |
| 02:24.27 | thewanderer1 | (thus, make sure it's not cosmic rays... trigger it a few times) |
| 02:24.32 | Mad7Scientst | Since you can become root with them and change any file you want, and then reboot |
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| 02:25.32 | thewanderer1 | sure |
| 02:26.07 | thewanderer1 | the holy grail of security is still far ahead :) |
| 02:26.07 | Mad7Scientst | Any capabilities which allow someone to change files on the FS is a path to root after a reboot |
| 02:26.21 | un214 | or open /dev/sda for writing |
| 02:26.32 | un214 | although that's UID 0 usually |
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| 02:26.40 | hotwings | thewanderer1 - i dont have email or any of that on my debian box. guess ill have to find the mplayer-nogui package maintainers and email them |
| 02:26.59 | thewanderer1 | you can use an SMTP server in reportbug |
| 02:27.39 | thewanderer1 | anyway, I'm off... happy hacking |
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| 02:28.27 | Mad7Scientst | CAP_CHOWN CAP_DAC_OVERRIDE CAP_FOWNER CAP_FSETID would allow a take over after a reboot |
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| 02:29.13 | un214 | CAP_DAC_OVERRIDE doesn't need a reboot |
| 02:29.14 | Mad7Scientst | Anyone who is root as you say can create and open /dev/sda |
| 02:29.31 | un214 | sometimes gid disk is allowed |
| 02:29.35 | Mad7Scientst | USe it to replace the kernel image and then reboot is what I was htinking |
| 02:29.53 | un214 | CAP_DAC_OVERRIDE and replace /usr/bin/sudo |
| 02:30.19 | Mad7Scientst | CAP_SYS_RAWIO and CAP_SYS_MODULE allow direct manipulation of the kernel without rebooting |
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| 02:30.25 | un214 | yup |
| 02:30.34 | un214 | CAP_SYS_MODULE can be disabled |
| 02:30.42 | un214 | compile a non-modular kernel |
| 02:30.53 | Mad7Scientst | fool the script kiddies |
| 02:31.01 | un214 | xactly |
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| 02:31.18 | Mad7Scientst | Be a man and load the module by putting it in memory directly! |
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| 02:31.53 | sluxor | Hi, we upgraded our debian system to squeeze and now it's running PHP 5.3.x , however ini_set memory_limit no longer works in php pages... any idea why? |
| 02:32.00 | un214 | there's not much security against guy who will clip custom board to PCI bus |
| 02:32.12 | nsadmin | by doing what, using the toggle-switch entry interface? |
| 02:32.15 | un214 | funny how many times microsoft, sony make that mistake |
| 02:32.28 | Mad7Scientst | Put the kernel image and initrd with init and a program to drop CAP_SYS_RAWIO on a CD and complile the kernel with no module support |
| 02:32.36 | Mad7Scientst | That will fool any kernel mode rootkit |
| 02:33.14 | un214 | doesn't suid to uid 0 get it back? |
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| 02:33.22 | nsadmin | that's pretty extreme usabilitywise |
| 02:33.32 | un214 | not really |
| 02:33.44 | un214 | how often do you upgrade kernel |
| 02:33.50 | nsadmin | you have to know your exact hardware |
| 02:33.55 | nsadmin | you can't use iptables |
| 02:33.58 | Mad7Scientst | Everything will work fine except Xorg since Xorg won't be able to access the video card |
| 02:34.22 | Mad7Scientst | why can't iptables work? |
| 02:34.34 | nsadmin | doesn't it have to be modules? |
| 02:35.03 | un214 | sure you can use iptables |
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| 02:35.45 | zleslie | kfreebsd_user++ |
| 02:35.51 | nsadmin | I mean, look... you're right, if someone knows their hardware well enough and getting rootkitted to death, this might be a good solution |
| 02:35.53 | zleslie | woot! |
| 02:36.01 | Mad7Scientst | all the iptables modules can be compiled in |
| 02:36.01 | Mad7Scientst | Is it possible to write to /dev/kmem? |
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| 02:36.37 | zleslie | if you are a kernel module, sure |
| 02:37.03 | nsadmin | but if you are a kernel module you can directly read ram |
| 02:37.23 | Mad7Scientst | # hexedit /dev/mem works fine |
| 02:37.28 | Mad7Scientst | but /dev/kmem does not |
| 02:37.50 | nsadmin | what are the perms on it? |
| 02:37.57 | Mad7Scientst | 640 |
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| 02:38.20 | Mad7Scientst | DESCRIPTION mem is a character device file that is an image of the main memory of the computer. It may be used, for example, to examine (and even patch) the system. |
| 02:38.21 | shanepardue | Are there plans to bring Gnome3 back to Testing or Unstable? |
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| 02:38.26 | nsadmin | so write for owner |
| 02:38.32 | Mad7Scientst | Ok there someone can access the system memory through /dev/mem |
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| 02:40.00 | Mad7Scientst | # hexedit /dev/port is cool |
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| 02:41.04 | ManateeLazyCat | Hi all. :) |
| 02:42.01 | un214 | writing to /dev/kmem doesn't work anymore |
| 02:42.09 | ManateeLazyCat | How about apt base on p2p? Anyone have experience on this? |
| 02:42.23 | un214 | somebody took out the device driver write() support for it |
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| 02:43.10 | ManateeLazyCat | I plan to write software to update apt package base on p2p protocol. Any link or resource are welcome! Thanks! |
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| 02:43.51 | valdyn | judd: versions apt-transport-debtorrent |
| 02:43.52 | judd | Package apt-transport-debtorrent on i386 -- lenny: 0.2.1; sid: 0.2.2; squeeze: 0.2.2; wheezy: 0.2.2 |
| 02:44.18 | zleslie | who is judd, and what happened to dpkg? |
| 02:44.32 | dvs | !hi |
| 02:44.32 | dpkg | hello, dvs |
| 02:45.18 | ManateeLazyCat | judd: apt-transport-debtorrent is best one? |
| 02:45.44 | shanepardue | versions gnome-shell |
| 02:45.53 | shanepardue | judd: versions gnome-shell |
| 02:45.55 | judd | Package gnome-shell on i386 -- experimental: 2.91.5-1 |
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| 02:46.53 | foureyes779 | will the "netinst" install CD work with WLAN ? |
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| 02:50.44 | foureyes779 | will the "netinst" install CD work with WLAN ? |
| 02:50.49 | dondelelcaro | foureyes779: yes. |
| 02:51.02 | dondelelcaro | foureyes779: read the install guide |
| 02:51.35 | foureyes779 | dondelelcaro: tnx |
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| 02:54.07 | foureyes779 | looking at Debian for my ham radio contest computer |
| 02:54.33 | megana | bluetooth help? |
| 02:54.49 | foureyes779 | currently using Slackware, but at tmes it is a PITA to configure for the different software |
| 02:55.11 | foureyes779 | said the "S" word.....(shhhhhh) |
| 02:55.37 | megana | foureyes talking to me? |
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| 02:56.15 | foureyes779 | just babbling |
| 02:56.27 | nevyn | who mentioned suse? |
| 02:56.36 | foureyes779 | lol |
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| 03:05.43 | slie | i'm finding i don't likw Mint |
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| 03:06.43 | sluxor | slie, I dont like distro remixes either :) |
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| 03:15.04 | nvz | I just installed Debian 6.0 on this laptop (sata internal drive) from a USb thumbdrive and I'm not sure where grub ended up, but the new install is not bootable. I have the thumbdrive (Installer) loaded again with the root partiton of the install mounted and chrooted. |
| 03:15.34 | nvz | what do I need to do to make this work? the grub commands are failing due to "cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?)." |
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| 03:16.19 | un214 | mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev |
| 03:16.33 | un214 | (before entering chroot) |
| 03:16.45 | nvz | ok |
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| 03:18.10 | nvz | now I've gone back into the chroot and done grub-mkconfig |
| 03:18.51 | nvz | and my mind is drawing a blank.. I know all this stuff but I got medical issues that cloud my mind at times.. heh. |
| 03:19.28 | nvz | all I can think of is grub-install hd0 which failed with "cannot stat 'hd0'" |
| 03:19.44 | nvz | hmm wait, I gotta update grub too huh |
| 03:20.04 | nvz | its coming back to me.. slowly.. |
| 03:20.41 | nvz | as of right now in the installer / (target install root) is /dev/sdc1 |
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| 03:21.58 | nvz | little help with a chroot rescue here, anyone? ;) |
| 03:22.16 | sney | ask your question and odds are someone will know |
| 03:22.39 | nvz | I shall ask again then.. I am chrooted into a new install, I need help isntalling grub on it |
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| 03:22.59 | nvz | I'm not sure where the installer wrote grub to, but it wasnt the HDD |
| 03:23.31 | sney | did you install from a usb stick? sometimes grub can be written to that instead |
| 03:23.46 | nvz | yes I did, but the unetbootin grub is still in tact on there |
| 03:23.52 | nvz | as I just booted up from it again |
| 03:24.06 | nvz | I had another external HDD plugged in which might be where it ended up |
| 03:24.20 | nvz | either way, I need help with getting it on the internal HDD where it belongs |
| 03:24.37 | nvz | I am chrooted into the target right now, just can't remember what to do |
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| 03:25.49 | sney | iirc, it's grub-install /dev/foo, where foo is your root disk (usually sda or something like that) |
| 03:25.55 | nvz | its really pissing me off.. I am seconds away from booting this system and I'm having brain farts |
| 03:26.34 | nvz | hmm.. well it said installation finished, no error reported.. |
| 03:26.48 | dondelelcaro | nvz: figure out what device it is, and just grub-install /dev/foo |
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| 03:27.08 | un214 | it's probably /dev/sda |
| 03:27.13 | nvz | dondelelcaro: done, hopefully everyting is using UUIDs |
| 03:27.15 | un214 | sometimes /dev/sdc |
| 03:27.19 | nvz | na its /dev/sdc in this case |
| 03:27.23 | sney | 'mount' would show the truth anyway |
| 03:27.34 | nvz | I think the cd drive and thumbdrive are currently sda and sdb |
| 03:27.38 | un214 | I personally ripped out all the UUIDs |
| 03:27.57 | aca20031 | So I fail at linux. Im looking at http://packages.debian.org/sid/libdevel/libanjuta-dev and added 'sid' to my repository file and it installed 2.4 version, im not really sure how to get it to install 2.32 which is what is seen there ^, which I need to install something else :( |
| 03:28.01 | nvz | if its not all setup using UUIDs the system still will not boot once the thumbdrive is removed |
| 03:28.13 | dondelelcaro | yeah, you want to use UUIDs |
| 03:28.22 | dondelelcaro | nvz: but in this case, you just want grub to start |
| 03:28.32 | dondelelcaro | once grub starts, it's easy to work out any other problems |
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| 03:28.40 | nvz | yeah I mean I can work from the grub menu if I can get there |
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| 03:28.53 | nvz | well I could if I remember what to do when I get there |
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| 03:29.28 | nvz | whatever is wrong with my health these days is effecting my mind now and its severely annoying |
| 03:29.48 | sney | aca20031: well, mixing sid and other releases can be pretty dangerous. you could always download just the .deb from packages.debian.org, though you'd likely need to do it again for the dependencies... your best bet would likely be to backport it yourself (/msg dpkg ssb) |
| 03:29.50 | nvz | one minute I can remember useless data off the top of my head. the next minute I can't remember my damn name |
| 03:29.51 | un214 | dondelcaro: I've had rotten luck with UUIDs |
| 03:30.27 | nvz | UUIDs are awesome.. only poblem I ever had was figuring out how to specify them in the grub config |
| 03:30.31 | un214 | apt-get build-dep and download source from sid and compile |
| 03:30.50 | un214 | you ever had a UUID change on you? I have |
| 03:30.54 | nvz | in any case the system seems to be booting now.. I just have to keep it propped up or it'll overheat and shut down |
| 03:31.05 | nvz | un214: na, never seen that happen |
| 03:31.15 | un214 | aca20031: apt-get build-dep and download source from sid and compile |
| 03:31.32 | un214 | I have but never a local hard drive's sdx change |
| 03:32.00 | nvz | well that is strange, cause they definately will |
| 03:32.14 | nvz | especially on like my netbook if I got any USB or SD cards in |
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| 03:32.33 | nvz | its just nice to use UUID and have it work no matter what |
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| 03:34.32 | hotwings | [19:30:49] <un214> you ever had a UUID change on you? I have <-- same here, which is partly why i dont really like uuid's |
| 03:35.03 | hotwings | uuid's would be nice if they were completely reliable |
| 03:35.26 | sney | so much for universally unique |
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| 03:38.51 | elitheeli | Is there a preferred Amazon EC2 Debian image with an EBS backing in US East? |
| 03:39.30 | nvz | wth is squeeze-updates? |
| 03:40.39 | sney | nvz: formerly volatile |
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| 03:42.07 | nvz | sney: ah.. |
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| 03:44.45 | OperationAjax | I think I have a virus on the production serve. |
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| 03:44.53 | OperationAjax | It says "do_something or die "Somebody set up us the bomb" everywhere |
| 03:45.08 | sney | OperationAjax: sounds more like someone found a password and is playing games with you |
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| 03:45.30 | sney | Debian (with the exception of some Samba stuff) is not susceptible to computer viruses |
| 03:45.36 | karlpinc | thewanderer1|afk: FYI: man ./adduser.8.gz |
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| 03:46.00 | OperationAjax | So just change the password right? |
| 03:46.14 | abrotman | what OS is the server? |
| 03:46.30 | Scarra3 | How can I find out if my laptop is supported by debian? |
| 03:46.43 | karlpinc | thewanderer1|afk: Secondaries being nameservers which are authoriatative but pickup the zone file from the master. |
| 03:46.47 | sney | OperationAjax: to be safe, change all of the passwords, and tell your users to do the same. and lock down sudo for a while |
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| 03:47.06 | OperationAjax | ok |
| 03:47.14 | karlpinc | Scarra3: Run a live cd/usb stick? Just try to run the installer? What components are you worried about? |
| 03:47.28 | sney | Scarra3: google the model and "linux", check especially for people complaining about hardware incompatibility |
| 03:47.43 | karlpinc | OperationAjax: To be paranoid see debsums. |
| 03:47.59 | Scarra3 | karlpinc: Im just worried about my graphics card its an ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4250 |
| 03:48.05 | Scarra3 | And my touchpad |
| 03:48.06 | karlpinc | Scarra3: I like sney's advice. |
| 03:48.20 | Scarra3 | My touchpad is an Alps for my sony vaio |
| 03:48.28 | sney | oh, the radeons are all supported, either through radeon or fglrx |
| 03:48.50 | Scarra3 | Only thing is my touchpad doesn't work on ubuntu 10.10 so that's what im most worried about. |
| 03:49.01 | OperationAjax | omg |
| 03:49.01 | sney | the touchpad will have basic support but depending on what other features you want (edge scrolling, chord taps, etc) you might run into some issues |
| 03:49.15 | OperationAjax | Now on the console: Operator: Main screen turn on. |
| 03:49.29 | OperationAjax | CATS: All your base are belong to us. |
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| 03:49.40 | sney | OperationAjax: well, it's the 10 year anniversary of All Your Base, so I'm not tremendously surprised to see that |
| 03:50.34 | karlpinc | OperationAjax: On the other hand, if the root password was compromized your toast. A clean install is the only way to be sure you get rid of it. (And, in theory, not even then.) |
| 03:50.35 | Scarra3 | sney: As long as it has basic support it wasn't even detected in ubuntu 10.10 at all |
| 03:50.40 | megana | I have a new bluetooth dongle. It looks like it works in my macbook pro. Now I'm trying it on a linux machine. It doesn't seem to want to find anything. Anybody good with this stuff? |
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| 03:50.56 | sney | Scarra3: well, try debian-live and see what happens |
| 03:50.57 | OperationAjax_ | CATS: You have no chance to survive make your time. For great justice. |
| 03:51.02 | OperationAjax_ | This is crazy! |
| 03:51.08 | sney | OperationAjax_: yes, we have all seen the Zero Wing thing. |
| 03:51.18 | OperationAjax_ | what? |
| 03:51.39 | Lewoco | Does X have an equivalent of the windows clipboard? For example in windows if I copy some text, close the application and paste in a different application the copied text is still there. In X it seems as though the clipboard contents disappear as soon as the source application closes... |
| 03:52.00 | karlpinc | Lewoco: Not if you use the middle mouse button to paste. |
| 03:52.15 | sney | it's quotes from an old video game called Zero Wing that was translated badly into english. pretty good game, though. and the advice for what you should do - change all passwords, lock down sudo - stands. |
| 03:52.20 | karlpinc | Lewoco: select == copy, middle mouse == paste. |
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| 03:52.31 | Lewoco | karlpinc, Uhm, even with the middle it has the same problem. |
| 03:52.44 | karlpinc | Lewoco: What app? |
| 03:52.46 | megana | you can paste with the scroll wheel? |
| 03:52.57 | Lewoco | karlpinc, Copying from meld, pasting in qtcreator |
| 03:53.32 | karlpinc | Lewoco: And you copied using mouse selection? |
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| 03:53.43 | Lewoco | karlpinc, Like I said I tried both ways. |
| 03:53.47 | karlpinc | megana: Yes. It's the sane way. |
| 03:54.03 | Lewoco | karlpinc, And I just tried some other source/destination apps so it's not specific to meld/qtcreator. |
| 03:54.12 | karlpinc | Lewoco: What window manager? |
| 03:54.29 | Lewoco | karlpinc, xfwm4 |
| 03:54.44 | Lewoco | karlpinc, But I'm pretty sure I had similar problems the other days when I was using openbox |
| 03:54.54 | karlpinc | Lewoco: Dunno. Works for me. Always has. ?? |
| 03:55.16 | megana | I think openbox is great |
| 03:55.40 | karlpinc | megana: (Just like focus follows mouse/do not autoraise windows is the-one-true-focus-method.) |
| 03:55.42 | Lewoco | karlpinc, using the clipboard or just when you use the selection? |
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| 03:56.40 | karlpinc | Lewoco: Perhaps my vocaublary is not right. When I select with the left mouse button I can always paste with the middle mouse button even after closing the app where I made the selection. |
| 03:57.31 | Lewoco | karlpinc, That's selection. Does it also work when you use ctrl-c/v? |
| 03:58.29 | karlpinc | Lewoco: Dunno. I find ctrl-c/v useless. If I want to use the keyboard I use emacs mode in readline (or emacs) and cut and paste with it. Otherwise I need to use the mouse to select what I want anyway so my hand's already there to use the mouse for paste. |
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| 03:58.58 | Lewoco | karlpinc, What wm/desktop env are you using? |
| 03:59.00 | karlpinc | Lewoco: Nice thing about emacs mode is I can position point easily, usually more easily than with the mouse. |
| 03:59.19 | karlpinc | Lewoco: I've used both gnome and kde (and don't like either but am too lazy to figure out what I want.) |
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| 03:59.50 | Lewoco | karlpinc, The only thing I don't like about emacs is that it doesn't have a file browser side bar. |
| 03:59.57 | karlpinc | Lewoco: IIRC the emacs info pages have some good notes on clipboards -- like there's 2 of them, one managed by X and the other by the apps. But I could be wrong and forget the details. |
| 04:00.49 | karlpinc | Lewoco: I generally just use dired, the text file browser. Again, because naviation is faster if I don't have to reach for the mouse and then replace my hand on the keyboard when done. |
| 04:00.57 | karlpinc | Lewoco: dired is built into emacs. |
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| 04:02.00 | karlpinc | Lewoco: Unless your on the web or doing something with graphics if you have to use the mouse you're slowing yourself down. Or that's my experience given what I do. |
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| 04:02.32 | karlpinc | thinks tab completion rules. |
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| 04:02.42 | mosno | is there any way to coerce the gvfs fuse daemon to use nice mountpoint names, ie. names without spaces? |
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| 04:05.55 | megana | so I'm doing hcitool scan with several discoverable devices in the room |
| 04:06.09 | megana | it just says "inquery failed: connection timed out" |
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| 04:08.06 | shanepardue | Just downloaded the Gnome3 LiveUSB..Can't wait to see it in Debian someday. Looks good! |
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| 04:13.43 | DonG | what do I install on a intel pentium E5400? ia64? |
| 04:14.19 | dondelelcaro | DonG: amd64 |
| 04:14.24 | Technicus | Hello, is there support for using Skype with Debian Stable amd64? |
| 04:14.37 | DonG | ok ta |
| 04:16.06 | abrotman | Technicus: skype.com says no .. it's not a Debian specifric issue |
| 04:16.09 | karlpinc | Technicus: IIRC the wiki.debian.org has a skype page. Dunno. |
| 04:16.11 | Technicus | . . . There is a Ubuntu installer, but not workin. |
| 04:16.13 | megana | success! |
| 04:16.16 | megana | the fix was: |
| 04:16.22 | megana | hciconfig hci0 reset |
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| 04:18.21 | karlpinc | DonG: New to debian? You might find the following factoid helpful: |
| 04:18.25 | karlpinc | !tell DonG about overview |
| 04:18.32 | arvind_khadri | HI, is the debian logo trademarked? I plan to use it on my t-shirt. Is that ok? |
| 04:18.46 | karlpinc | arvind_khadri: There's stuff about that in the debian policy manual IIRC. |
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| 04:19.10 | karlpinc | !policy |
| 04:19.10 | dpkg | i heard policy is the document that defines how Debian packages should (and must!) interact with each other and with the user to make sure we have a high-quality, stable distribution. You can find it at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ or in the debian-policy package. Those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. See also <best practices> <nmg> <mentors>. |
| 04:19.17 | arvind_khadri | karlpinc, thanks :) |
| 04:19.48 | karlpinc | arvind_khadri: Could be wrong. If not there see the web faq. |
| 04:20.19 | arvind_khadri | karlpinc, yes, looking at it. This one seems to be talking about packaging. |
| 04:20.36 | karlpinc | arvind_khadri: It's mostly about that, but there's gobs of other stuff hidden in there. |
| 04:21.08 | karlpinc | !debian logo |
| 04:21.08 | dpkg | from memory, debian logo is http://www.debian.org/logos , http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLogo . See also <debian logo font>. |
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| 04:24.15 | megatog615 | so im installing squeeze |
| 04:24.25 | megatog615 | and i see btrfs as an available fs to choose from |
| 04:24.40 | megatog615 | is it ready for use in squeeze or is it still unstable as hell? |
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| 04:25.02 | arvind_khadri | !btrfs |
| 04:25.02 | dpkg | Btrfs (B-tree file system) is a copy on write filesystem for Linux, aimed at implementing advanced features while focusing on fault tolerance, repair and easy administration. Merged in mainline at Linux 2.6.29, utilities are packaged in btrfs-tools. Btrfs is currently not suitable for any uses other than benchmarking and review. http://wiki.debian.org/Btrfs http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/ #btrfs on irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:25.11 | megatog615 | ah thanks |
| 04:25.29 | megatog615 | hmm that bot has info for everything apparently |
| 04:25.42 | arvind_khadri | megatog615, :) |
| 04:25.53 | arvind_khadri | karlpinc, seems like its not TM . |
| 04:25.54 | megatog615 | next time when i come in here i will just use that |
| 04:26.06 | arvind_khadri | megana, use /msg dpkg |
| 04:26.16 | megana | why? |
| 04:26.17 | megatog615 | even better |
| 04:26.19 | megatog615 | thanks |
| 04:26.21 | megatog615 | bye! |
| 04:26.22 | arvind_khadri | megatog615, use /msg dpkg |
| 04:26.25 | megana | what is that? |
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| 04:26.41 | arvind_khadri | megana, sorry not for you. |
| 04:26.41 | megana | oh :( |
| 04:26.45 | Technicus | What is the process for changing the Gdm3 theme? |
| 04:27.54 | nvz | isn't ext3 suppose to be online resizable? |
| 04:28.53 | arvind_khadri | !tell nvz about ext3 |
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| 04:29.40 | AgentStur | Do I need to use something like unetbootin to install Squeeze to a flash drive? Or can I just dd it? |
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| 04:30.09 | nvz | arvind_khadri: yeah, wikipedia says online growth.. I'm wanting to shrink |
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| 04:30.30 | nvz | basically I want to install Squeeze on a Lenny install while its running |
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| 04:30.47 | nvz | though now that I think about it this isn't gonna work anyhow |
| 04:30.58 | arvind_khadri | AgentStur, no, just follow the wiki. |
| 04:31.06 | nvz | forget I said anything.. gonna have to just upgrade |
| 04:31.09 | arvind_khadri | !tell AgentStur about usb install |
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| 04:31.30 | arvind_khadri | nvz, then you need to upgrade right? you can't have two OS in the same FS. |
| 04:32.35 | AgentStur | arvind_khadri: what's the difference between cat'ing a binary file and dd'ing it? |
| 04:32.56 | DonG | karlpinc: I've been playing with it since ver 3.01 (I think). Recnetly I've put etch on my vps. Just building a real machine and just wasn't sure what to put on it. |
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| 04:33.38 | nertil | what actually is vpn |
| 04:33.38 | nertil | ? |
| 04:33.49 | arvind_khadri | AgentStur, No much idea about it :) |
| 04:34.01 | arvind_khadri | !tell nertil about vpn |
| 04:34.30 | AgentStur | arvind_khadri: me neither :) Thanks for all the help |
| 04:35.19 | lenutio | for security sake, which is more secure, #! or Linux mint debian edition or antix? |
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| 04:35.33 | lenutio | besides debian? |
| 04:35.46 | nvz | arvind_khadri: right.. well the reason I was avoiding an upgrade is that the system in question 1) is 100mi away, and 2) cannot boot. |
| 04:36.34 | nvz | arvind_khadri: but I have someone there who isn't a moron, and I think I can manage an upgrade.. just gotta copy the new kernel to the "jumpbox" |
| 04:36.43 | lenutio | I know that #! (crunch bang) is not rolling and is on the stable branch of debian |
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| 04:37.28 | arvind_khadri | nvz, you can use netboot. What do you mean cannot boot? |
| 04:39.00 | nvz | arvind_khadri: the laptop he has is f'n screwed somehow.. cannot boot locally from any media.. he has to PXE boot it |
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| 04:39.22 | nvz | arvind_khadri: which means he needs to copy his new kernel to the PXE server to be able to boot again after upgrade |
| 04:40.06 | arvind_khadri | you can directly copy the new kernel on to it, right? that is what netboot is meant for. |
| 04:40.17 | arvind_khadri | !tell nvz about netboot |
| 04:41.01 | nvz | arvind_khadri: yeah I dont know wth that is and while I'll look into it at some point I'm just gonna go with what I know under the circumstances.. |
| 04:41.31 | nvz | arvind_khadri: I'll do a standard upgrade proceedure and have him copy the vmlinuz and initrd.gz to the PXE server using a thumbdrive |
| 04:42.01 | arvind_khadri | nvz, that is meant for what your are facing now. I would really suggest you to go through it. Whatever you say, also seems plausible :) |
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| 04:42.37 | InfectedSoul | hey can someone help me with this |
| 04:42.40 | InfectedSoul | Bad arg length for Socket::pack_sockaddr_in, length is 0, should be 4 at /usr/lib/perl/5.10/Socket.pm line 214 |
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| 04:44.46 | nvz | arvind_khadri: yeah but I don't wanna learn to use something when its most critical.. I can play with that at another time and learn it then implement it once I understand it. |
| 04:45.10 | nvz | arvind_khadri: the setup I got there now works, I'm not going to change it while people are using it and I'm 100mi away |
| 04:45.13 | Scarra3 | So what new in debian squeeze |
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| 04:45.22 | arvind_khadri | nvz, right. |
| 04:45.38 | arvind_khadri | Scarra3, look at the chnagelog |
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| 04:46.09 | epsilon | can I tell pidof to search a process with all it's options? like: pidof "/bin/foo --options" |
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| 04:47.31 | InfectedSoul | hey can someone help me with this |
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| 04:48.13 | dondelelcaro | epsilon: you're probably looking for pgrep |
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| 04:49.36 | nvz | actually I just thought of another problem.. its running Lenny amd64 and i wanted to switch to i386 when going to squeeze and I don't think I can do that from here with a simple upgrade |
| 04:50.03 | arvind_khadri | you are complicating things a lot :P |
| 04:50.42 | karlpinc | nvz: I don't belive you can switch arch's that way. |
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| 04:50.47 | karlpinc | !tell nvz about aptitude clone |
| 04:51.09 | nvz | I don't see how an aptitude clone does anything for me |
| 04:51.24 | nvz | I know how to do that with dpkg anyhow |
| 04:51.35 | karlpinc | nvz: It'd be how to migrate the packages. |
| 04:51.44 | reportingsjr | I'm trying to help a friend make a debian package for his game, and he figure most of it out and couldn't fix a bug, I think I fixed a bug, but I don't know how to build the .deb package with the files he provided. Anyone have any clues? |
| 04:51.55 | nvz | that i am not at all concerned with.. its a standard install.. |
| 04:52.12 | reportingsjr | he said I could build the .deb package with a rules binary in the source, but when I run that file it just tells me that make has no targets and stop |
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| 04:52.42 | nvz | I guess I'll just go with the upgrade for now and see if I can get the things to work on AMD64 once its upgraded |
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| 04:52.59 | reportingsjr | oh, nevermind. Need to pass a parameter for type of build to the binary :) |
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| 04:53.06 | nvz | its just that we're having issues getting certain things to work on the machine now.. and ia32libs isn't helping |
| 04:53.15 | rc18r | does debian 6 include wpa_supplicant support in net isntall ? someone forgot it in debian 5 install |
| 04:53.22 | nvz | but there are some newer 64bit packages I can try on squeeze that arent on lenny |
| 04:53.46 | Noah0504 | rc18r: I tried, didn't work. However, I could have been missing something. |
| 04:53.58 | Noah0504 | rc18r: Had to use a wired connection for the install. |
| 04:54.02 | karlpinc | rc18r: Answer's in the install guide. |
| 04:54.04 | rc18r | i remember that the package wasnt included |
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| 04:54.37 | rc18r | karlpinc, Noah0504 just gave the answer ... that's the beauty of irc |
| 04:55.08 | rc18r | Noah0504, but there was a package or not ? did u run wpa_supplicant ? |
| 04:55.18 | epsilon | dondelelcaro: bingo, thx :) |
| 04:55.26 | rc18r | one thing is miss configuration other thing is not having |
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| 04:56.20 | Noah0504 | rc18r: I didn't do anything extra. Just tried to install using a wireless connection, would only take a WEP key, so I just moved to my desk and plugged in. Haha. |
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| 04:56.48 | rc18r | Noah0504, right , wep is suported |
| 04:56.56 | rc18r | Noah0504, i didnt have the same luck |
| 04:57.10 | reportingsjr | hmm.. any chance I could get anyone here on an amd64 machine to test install a .deb I just made? Need to see if the data installs in the right place. |
| 04:57.14 | rc18r | i had to go to other pc and download the wpa_suplicant for offline instalation |
| 04:58.05 | karlpinc | reportingsjr: Isn't that what fakeroot is for? (Not that I really know.) |
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| 04:59.28 | elik | Where can I find why mdadm rebuilt my array^ |
| 04:59.57 | reportingsjr | karlpinc: what is fakeroot? |
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| 05:01.09 | nvz | reportingsjr: fakeroot is often used to compile things, it allows a normal user to create files that are owned by root |
| 05:01.34 | dondelelcaro | s/owned/appear to be owned/ |
| 05:01.37 | nvz | reportingsjr: saving you having to compile as root and risking ruining your machine due to some fudged makefile or something doing a rm -rf / |
| 05:02.14 | reportingsjr | nvz: ahh |
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| 05:57.07 | LinuxGuy2009 | I just bought an ASUS PCI-G31 wireless G card and installed a fresh copy of debian 6. To my surprise the card doesnt work in it. The asus box says it is linux compatible. Is this because of drivers being removed from the kernel? |
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| 05:59.59 | epsilon | what does lspci say? |
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| 06:01.22 | LinuxGuy2009 | oh it actually does show up as a 802.11g adapter. How do I get it to detect networks? |
| 06:03.42 | epsilon | is it already detected in ifconfig -a, iwconfig and/or network-manager? |
| 06:04.05 | epsilon | lspci just lists the pci devices |
| 06:04.53 | karlpinc | LinuxGuy2009: Never trust what it says on the box. "Linux compatable" often just means that they have some proprietary driver that they make that may or may not work with some versions of some kernels. |
| 06:05.18 | Corin | Is anyone here that might be able to help me with mounting my Windows partition in KDE? I mean, I can mount it manually, via the command-line but I'd prefer to be able to mount it using the GUI or have dolphin somehow ask permission, so I could do it that way... |
| 06:05.27 | Corin | I asked before but no one responded. |
| 06:05.35 | LinuxGuy2009 | doesnt show in network manager applet |
| 06:05.45 | karlpinc | !tell Corin about fstab |
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| 06:06.50 | epsilon | LinuxGuy2009: find out the chipset. lspci -v |
| 06:07.10 | Corin | karlpinc: It's a priviledge issue. I keep getting permission denied when trying to mount. |
| 06:08.39 | LinuxGuy2009 | RaLink RT2561/RT61 |
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| 06:11.31 | ManateeLazyCat | I have try to use apt-p2p, but haven't any data transform from apt-p2p peer. Noone use apt-p2p? |
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| 06:11.42 | LinuxGuy2009 | Do i just need to download the asus linux driver or do I not need it? |
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| 06:13.31 | epsilon | LinuxGuy2009: try http://wiki.debian.org/rt61pci |
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| 06:14.05 | Noor_eg | hello |
| 06:14.32 | Noor_eg | everytime i try to install mono ide it gives me this error The action would require the installation of packages from not authenticated sources. |
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| 06:15.30 | Corin | Noor_eg: Just use root! USE ROOT FOR EVERYTHING! You will never fail. |
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| 06:16.32 | Corin | Don't listen to me, by the way. |
| 06:16.35 | epsilon | Noor_eg: any key missing? |
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| 06:17.05 | epsilon | Noor_eg: try apt-get update first |
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| 06:26.46 | Corin | Alright. Does anyone have a list of what all the user groups do? |
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| 06:28.55 | karlpinc | Corin: That I belive is in debian policy. |
| 06:28.57 | karlpinc | !policy |
| 06:28.58 | dpkg | [policy] the document that defines how Debian packages should (and must!) interact with each other and with the user to make sure we have a high-quality, stable distribution. You can find it at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ or in the debian-policy package. Those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. See also <best practices> <nmg> <mentors>. |
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| 06:32.41 | phsi | in some way |
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| 07:52.27 | diilbert | I know this, I just cannot find it on Google for some reason. My time is slow by 4 hours, which is my UTC offset. I know there is setting somewhere for changing the base time from UTC to system (or something like that). I just cannot remember where it is. |
| 07:52.33 | diilbert | Thanks! |
| 07:55.03 | melonar | diilbert: have you checked with the wiki e.g. with http://wiki.debian.org/TimeZoneChanges |
| 07:57.23 | diilbert | melonar, not quite what I am looking for. |
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| 07:57.39 | diilbert | Unless there is something specific that I overlooked on that page |
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| 08:00.19 | diilbert | I am looking for the a setting that indicates what the hardware clock uses (UTC or Not) |
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| 08:02.41 | nu1x | well, you could enter bios setup on bootup for that |
| 08:04.24 | nu1x | also, less /etc/timezone and add/substract the modifier from your time indicated by date command |
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| 08:05.11 | diilbert | I duel boot Windows, so this would mess up that time. |
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| 08:05.44 | pom | Every sunday my Debian Lenny machine stops responding and needs a cold reboot to start and this is found in the kern.log: http://pastie.org/1562719 |
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| 08:06.06 | pom | It has been recurring every sunday for apprx. 8 weeks. |
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| 08:08.23 | lwithers | pom, one possibility is a hardware fault; do you have a cron job that triggers high load at around that time? perhaps a backup or something? |
| 08:09.40 | pom | lwithers: I havn't found any. There was the mdadm check that I tried to disable, but the problem remained. |
| 08:10.14 | lwithers | well, the three things that are complaining all timed out while trying to write to an ext3 filesystem |
| 08:10.37 | lwithers | it could be a coincidence that it always takes about a week to get into this state |
| 08:10.51 | lwithers | but it seems more likely to be triggered by some particular sequence of events |
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| 08:11.20 | lwithers | what is the ext3 filesystem on? just a normal hard disk? or RAID etc.? |
| 08:11.23 | pom | Yes, at first I was weary to conclude it was "scheduled". But it really seems that way. |
| 08:11.37 | pom | lwithers: It is ext3 on md devices |
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| 08:11.48 | diilbert | As a footnote, my issue was resolved with: hwclock --systz |
| 08:11.55 | lwithers | any problems reported by SMART? |
| 08:11.56 | pom | normdal S-ATA |
| 08:11.58 | diilbert | And hwclock --localtime |
| 08:12.07 | pom | lwithers: Where would I find those? |
| 08:12.17 | lwithers | smartctl -a /dev/sda |
| 08:12.24 | lwithers | (and man smartctl if you've not used it before) |
| 08:12.43 | lwithers | just wondering if maybe one of the disks is causing the problem |
| 08:12.52 | pom | lwithers: I'll have a look. brb |
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| 08:13.57 | melonar | diilbert: so within 10 minutes you found it yourself. thats good. |
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| 08:17.23 | lwithers | pom, I have to leave for work now, but hopefully someone else can help you track it down if there's no joy with smartctl |
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| 08:17.46 | hogren | hello world |
| 08:18.07 | pom | lwithers: Thanks for your help so far. I'll dig into it! |
| 08:18.14 | azul_ | hi #debian. |
| 08:19.06 | azul_ | I messed my apt package configuration up by using apt-pinning with stable as the release - now it is trying to upgrade to squeeze but i want to stick to lenny for now. |
| 08:19.39 | azul_ | I changed /etc/apt/preferences to include the release names instead of {stable, testing, unstable} |
| 08:19.45 | hogren | I have a tiny question ! In TWID 18 ... (I am french)... I did'nt understand the http address, in the beginning. it's http://www.frostbitemedia.org/m????/ |
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| 08:19.50 | azul_ | and i ran aptitude update |
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| 08:20.07 | azul_ | but it still wants to install packages from squeeze. |
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| 08:20.16 | azul_ | Any ideas how to fix that? |
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| 08:20.48 | azul_ | my preferences used to look like the ones listed here: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
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| 08:22.11 | hogren | please, for who want help me, the address is in the 2 first minutes of the podcast. |
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| 08:27.03 | pyrohotdog | Can anyone assist with this? http://pastebin.com/ppgENVt7 |
| 08:27.09 | pyrohotdog | Regarding splashy |
| 08:27.53 | joltcan | pyrohotdog: Not sure, but can you try mkdir /etc/splashy/themes and then try install splashy again? |
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| 08:29.41 | pyrohotdog | joltcan: Wow, good call...!! |
| 08:29.53 | pyrohotdog | joltcan: now I just feel stupid...heh |
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| 08:34.08 | joltcan | pyrohotdog: The information in those error messages can be overwhelming, so I understand why you didn't see it |
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| 08:35.34 | pyrohotdog | joltcan: live and learn! Thanks a bunch! |
| 08:35.41 | joltcan | pyrohotdog: U'r welcome |
| 08:36.08 | OutOfLine | on a debian squeeze system i see mixer_applet2 eating 99-100% cpu of one core (of 2) as soon as someone logs into gnome. what's that? how can i switch that applet off? |
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| 08:38.13 | ttiicc | whats' the difference between sigkill and sigterm? |
| 08:38.45 | bzrk | kill shuts down the process without notice, term notices |
| 08:39.02 | diilbert | melonar: I was looking all along. Thanks for the direction. |
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| 08:40.00 | ttiicc | bzrk: what do you mean by notice? |
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| 08:42.36 | ttiicc | could someone please clarify the difference between sigterm and sigkills notices? |
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| 08:44.08 | mmnicolas | I got bind9 up and running on a local machine, but when resolving from another machine in the lan I can resolve "google.com" but not "www.google.com", anyone has a clue ? spent the last few hours and this is apparently not an existing issue |
| 08:44.11 | OutOfLine | ttiicc: a process receiving sigterm can react on it, like saving files, cleanup and then exit, or do nothing at all. sigkill just kills the process |
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| 08:45.13 | ttiicc | ahh okej then Im with you |
| 08:45.31 | ttiicc | and this process is called notice |
| 08:45.56 | ttiicc | terminating a process is the same as notifying it! |
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| 08:47.40 | boota2 | I want to get clear environment for a user. by this i mean i want to get empty output of "set". |
| 08:47.43 | boota2 | how do i do it? |
| 08:48.44 | ajikeshi | err y do you want set to be empty |
| 08:48.50 | ajikeshi | there are many necessary variables |
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| 08:51.10 | pom | Every sunday my Debian Lenny machine stops responding and needs a cold reboot to start and this is found in the kern.log: http://pastie.org/1562719 |
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| 08:52.09 | sep | every sunday ? at the same time ? something in cron perhaps ? |
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| 08:52.33 | bzrk | sep: its a hangins samba process |
| 08:52.37 | bzrk | hanging* |
| 08:52.42 | pom | sep: You would think so, but I can't find any that runs on only sundays that recreates the problem. |
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| 08:52.54 | pom | bzrk: It hangs every process I think. |
| 08:52.55 | Dakylla | hi there |
| 08:53.10 | bzrk | pom: i only see nmbd there |
| 08:53.14 | robokop | bzrk: i see kjournald and syslogd hanging too |
| 08:53.18 | pom | none of the services answers after a while. |
| 08:53.25 | pom | bzrk: And this is just from one occurence. |
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| 08:53.59 | pom | But are there any other cronjobs than those in /var/spool/cron and /etc/cron*? |
| 08:53.59 | bzrk | pom: does the machine have a watchdog? |
| 08:54.19 | pom | bzrk: Yes, I think so. |
| 08:54.30 | pom | There's a program called that running on it. |
| 08:54.35 | robokop | pom: any cron process that trigers then? perhaps smart? |
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| 08:54.38 | bzrk | pom: then that program is rebooting the machine |
| 08:54.57 | pom | bzrk: No it isn't. We need to reboot it every monday morning as it is now. |
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| 08:55.27 | pom | robokop: I've searched thur all cronjobs I know of. None of them seems to be the culprit. |
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| 08:57.10 | bzrk | pom: maybe run dstat on sunday evening and log |
| 08:57.33 | bzrk | plus process logging to find out whats causing the machine to hang |
| 08:57.55 | pom | I'll check that out. Havn't used it before. |
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| 09:01.47 | boota2 | ajikeshi i need it for lfs. |
| 09:01.57 | boota2 | method written in book does not work. |
| 09:02.19 | boota2 | i have many variables in "set". |
| 09:02.24 | boota2 | any ideas? |
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| 09:05.08 | flamingspinach | is it usual for a package to recommend its corresponding -docs package, rather than only suggesting it? |
| 09:05.43 | flamingspinach | er, I mean -doc |
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| 09:06.00 | flamingspinach | I just feel lucky I noticed that installing lilypond caused aptitude to automatically select lilypond-doc, which is a whopping 400 MB of postscript and other stuff :) |
| 09:06.22 | flamingspinach | and then wondered if it mightn't be a good idea for lilypond to merely suggest lilypond-doc instead of recommending it... |
| 09:06.26 | grand_grunt | Hi. I've seen that package "madwifi" has been removed from Debian, after Lenny. There is now ath5k and ath9k drivers that work good, except for one thing: madwifi is needed to create an access point. Is that feature enough "useless" to explain that madwifi got removed? |
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| 09:08.04 | AlexC_ | Morning |
| 09:08.35 | AlexC_ | with Squeeze and Apache2 I am getting "[alert] (11)Resource temporarily unavailable: apr_thread_create: unable to create worker thread" however I can find no where that is limiting the resources. Is there some kind of hidden default or incorrect Apache config by default in Squeeze? |
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| 09:15.28 | nsadmin | trying to get warsow to work better... the music seems to be echoing and the mouse isn't working |
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| 09:20.06 | AlexC_ | I'm starting to think this is a bug in Squeeze apache2 or apache2-mpm-worker |
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| 09:23.03 | AlexC_ | it appears there is a limit of 50 processes for the user 'www-data' however there is nothing in /etc/security/limits.conf .... is this a hard-coded default? If so that really does suck |
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| 09:26.57 | nsadmin | how many processes can you have in a linux kernel |
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| 09:27.42 | homie | as much as hard numproc is specified in limits.conf ? |
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| 09:27.57 | homie | or defaults to ? |
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| 09:30.22 | nsadmin | I thougth there was a hard limit to the in-kernel process table |
| 09:30.35 | AlexC_ | I highly doubt I'm running into that limit |
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| 09:33.31 | Dakylla | i have an ssl/tls error in debiansince lenny. there was no error of this kind in edgy |
| 09:33.43 | Dakylla | here the error : 3926:error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number:s3_pkt.c:293: |
| 09:34.00 | Dakylla | that's when trying to connect to an ssl/tls port |
| 09:34.15 | Dakylla | using ssl2 is ok, tls/ssl3 are buggy |
| 09:34.29 | Dakylla | openssl s_client -state -debug -msg -connect localhost:25 -ssl2 |
| 09:34.33 | Dakylla | is fine |
| 09:34.36 | Dakylla | but openssl s_client -state -debug -msg -connect localhost:25 -ssl3 |
| 09:34.42 | Dakylla | lead to the error |
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| 09:35.13 | Dakylla | i've heard about ssl cipher, but don't know how to deal with that |
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| 09:36.41 | AlexC_ | this is crazy, there has to be some default that is limiting the proceeses resulting in "(11)Resource temporarily unavailable: apr_thread_create: unable to create worker thread" for Apache surely? |
| 09:37.34 | homie | fuck it, it does not even create apu.h .. |
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| 09:38.56 | homie | best os is the os which works only halfway thru.... |
| 09:39.07 | homie | lol |
| 09:39.36 | homie | compromises the compromisers, but let's you do what you want |
| 09:41.08 | Multiply | I've tried alot different approches, but I can't seem to find where I did something wrong. Here we go: I setup Samba, and OpenVPN on the same machine, and I use the OpenVPN windows client. I tested samba locally on my server, and everything works as expected. I can connect to the server over VPN, and I can ping the server thru the VPN too. (10.8.0.1) - When I try to access \\10.8.0.1 on my |
| 09:41.09 | Multiply | machine, it simply can't find it. And obviously \\10.8.0.1\some-share doesn't work either. |
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| 09:42.14 | Multiply | smbclient -L //10.8.0.1 <- works (locally) |
| 09:42.31 | homie | did you add it to the hosts.allowed thing ? |
| 09:43.12 | Multiply | No. :P |
| 09:43.21 | Multiply | Should I add ALL: 10.8.0.0/24 ? |
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| 09:43.36 | Bushmills | Multiply: /j #openvpn, then enter: !wins |
| 09:43.37 | homie | no, what subnet is it on ? |
| 09:43.59 | Bushmills | assuming you run a tun-based (routed) setup |
| 09:44.03 | homie | locally should be /8 i think |
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| 09:44.17 | Multiply | Bushmills, I do, as I didn't seem to get TAP working. |
| 09:44.24 | Multiply | I don't know the difference tho. |
| 09:44.41 | Multiply | And I didn't set a subnet, if I recall correct. |
| 09:44.42 | Bushmills | tun is for layer 3 traffic, tap also includes layer 2 |
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| 09:50.15 | Multiply | Bushmills, would this actually require tap? |
| 09:50.46 | Bushmills | no. check #2 of !tunortap on #openvpn |
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| 09:57.09 | AlexC_ | this is crazy, there has to be some default that is limiting the proceeses resulting in "(11)Resource temporarily unavailable: apr_thread_create: unable to create worker thread" for Apache surely? How can I debug this? |
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| 09:58.02 | conorhogan | hi |
| 09:58.29 | conorhogan | is debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso - the one i should download? the testing part is putting me ff |
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| 09:59.01 | themill | dpkg: tell conorhogan about install squeeze |
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| 09:59.46 | conorhogan | themill - thanks but the documentation is less than clear |
| 10:00.11 | themill | there is no official documentation that points to a "debian-testing-*" iso image |
| 10:00.16 | Bushmills | conorhogan: if you're not sure about using testing, using stable may be preferable |
| 10:00.39 | Bushmills | that is, squeeze |
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| 10:01.54 | conorhogan | bushmills - thank you but i cant seem to find the simple one downoad .iso of the stable |
| 10:02.08 | Bushmills | i'm sure it's there |
| 10:02.34 | themill | conorhogan: www.debian.org on the front page has a link. Or there's a big "Getting Debian" link on the front page. Or there's what dpkg just told you. |
| 10:03.08 | conorhogan | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0-live/i386/bt-hybrid/ - is that bootable to install in virtualbox? |
| 10:04.18 | themill | conorhogan: do you want a live cd or the netinst installer? |
| 10:04.53 | conorhogan | themill - the diff being the live cd you can test before you insall? |
| 10:04.59 | conorhogan | *install |
| 10:05.18 | themill | yes, but there's not much of advantage in that for a virtual machine |
| 10:05.48 | conorhogan | true |
| 10:06.48 | conorhogan | so just download debian-6.0.0-i386-netinst.iso? |
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| 10:10.01 | themill | for whatever architecture you want, yes, that would be fine |
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| 10:11.12 | conorhogan | ok thanks - this may be "blasphemous" but I think taking uB |
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| 10:11.29 | conorhogan | Ubuntus download process would be better |
| 10:12.11 | AlexC_ | conorhogan: personally I think the big green 'Download Debian 6.0' is pretty straight to the point and "better" |
| 10:12.22 | themill | conorhogan: it's no different except that debian supports many more different architectures. |
| 10:13.14 | themill | conorhogan: that netinst is 2 clicks from the front page, the first one of which is "Getting Debian". There's not much more that can be done to make it easier. |
| 10:13.30 | conorhogan | alexc - actually you are right, but it is blended in to the logo so i didnt see that until you pointed it out |
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| 10:14.08 | themill | green and white against dark blue is hardly what I would call "blended" |
| 10:14.08 | conorhogan | clicking that button download amd-64 for me |
| 10:14.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'll admit it doesn't leap out at me either |
| 10:14.44 | AlexC_ | themill: to be fair, it's not /the/ most obvious. Why would my eye look far right at nothing else upon initial viewing? |
| 10:15.00 | AlexC_ | my eye is drawn to the big Debian logo in the center; this is where the download button should be |
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| 10:15.48 | conorhogan | People who want debian will look around but it shouldnt take people 5 minutes more than Ubuntu for example |
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| 10:16.05 | themill | There's only so much that can be done when people don't want to read... there are 6 different links on the front page to download debian |
| 10:16.22 | conorhogan | You even have to scroll to the very bottom of the cd page for the single download iso - which is not on the dvd page at all |
| 10:16.28 | AlexC_ | themill: you can have as many links as you want, it makes no difference if they are not in the place where the eye initially looks |
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| 10:17.00 | themill | conorhogan: if it takes you 5 minutes to read "Getting Debian" which are the 3rd and 4th words on the page, then there's little we can do. |
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| 10:17.40 | themill | AlexC_: perhaps you'd like to make the suggestion to make that a link to the download page -- "reportbug www.debian.org" (if it's not already on the bts) |
| 10:17.45 | conorhogan | themill - getting the single download iso is different |
| 10:18.10 | themill | wonders what "the single download iso" is |
| 10:18.39 | AlexC_ | themill: the suggestion would be more to move it central and redesign it a bit to be in the same place as the big Debian logo |
| 10:19.35 | AlexC_ | how can I find out what sort of limits are in place for a given user? |
| 10:19.57 | conorhogan | the one where you dont have to download 52 pieces together to but off, thats the single iso - single being one |
| 10:20.11 | conorhogan | *boot |
| 10:20.18 | ctp | hi all. anyone knows if there is a nice tool to _visualize_ tcpdump's .pcap files? bandwidth etc. |
| 10:20.23 | ctp | no wireshark ;-) |
| 10:20.44 | grand_grunt | themill: it handles both i386 and AMD64 CPU's, so that people won't don't know what their "PC" is don't have to ask questions |
| 10:20.45 | themill | conorhogan: you don't need to download 52 iso images. You won't find a single iso that miraculously fits all 52 iso images into one either. |
| 10:20.59 | themill | grand_grunt: right.. the one that's linked to from the front page. |
| 10:21.00 | grand_grunt | s/won't/who/ |
| 10:21.20 | conorhogan | themill - i know, you sacasticaly asked what a single download iso was, so i told you |
| 10:21.50 | conorhogan | the front page link download amd-64 |
| 10:21.56 | themill | conorhogan: I still have no idea what image it is you're finding so hard to find. |
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| 10:22.33 | conorhogan | i have it and its nearly installed - but it was harder to find than other distros thats all im saying |
| 10:23.00 | conorhogan | thanks all for the help, bye |
| 10:23.03 | themill | *sigh* |
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| 10:23.39 | valdyn | obviously debian.org is challanging, to much text |
| 10:23.54 | AlexC_ | how can I change the ulimit for number of max processes in Dash? |
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| 10:24.49 | homie | man ulimit |
| 10:25.02 | homie | ulimit --help |
| 10:25.03 | AlexC_ | have you tried that? |
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| 10:26.00 | homie | ulimit -u i think |
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| 10:26.10 | homie | max-user-processes |
| 10:26.17 | AlexC_ | :) I've tried all of these |
| 10:26.27 | BigRedS | ulimit: usage: ulimit [-SHacdfilmnpqstuvx] [limit] |
| 10:26.27 | valdyn | wow, nice, debians site works perfectly on fones |
| 10:26.37 | BigRedS | that's awesomely useful as --help text goes |
| 10:26.39 | AlexC_ | sigh |
| 10:26.42 | AlexC_ | *Dash* |
| 10:26.48 | themill | AlexC_: "man dash" will show you different options for ulimit |
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| 10:27.10 | AlexC_ | thank you themill |
| 10:27.48 | AlexC_ | and one more; how can i find out the limits for a given user? Because the default Apache in Squeeze is running into (11)Resource temporarily unavailable: apr_thread_create: unable to create worker thread |
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| 10:31.51 | AlexC_ | ok, so adding "ulimit -p unlimited" to /etc/apache2/envars has fixed the issue .... so, there is some hidden default being set *somewhere*. Surely this is a bug? |
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| 10:33.58 | PeterNL | Hi all. How di I force my wifi reciever to use only b/g? I don't use NetworkManager |
| 10:34.12 | PeterNL | Can I set something in /etc/network/interfaces or something? |
| 10:34.57 | dondelelcaro | PeterNL: with wireless-rate or similar, but it's not clear why you'd want to do that |
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| 10:35.28 | PeterNL | well, n is broken on this device. it works when I forse b/g on my router and breaks when I use b/g/n or g/n |
| 10:36.23 | jacktheripper | hello. I'm trying to install debian from the usb stick. I got the tiny boot.img and the businesscard iso (amd64) and booted from the stick. I picked USA's mirrors but it failed at 'Installing the base system' with 'Debootstrap Error. Invalid Release file: no entry for main/binary-amd64/Packages'. What's wrong ? |
| 10:36.27 | PeterNL | and I want to use n on other devices in this network, so the router *should* do g/n, but this device shouldn't even try. |
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| 10:41.08 | PeterNL | wher do I find wireless-rate? |
| 10:41.11 | PeterNL | where* |
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| 11:00.17 | Janni | Hi. Listen what just happened to me. I typed `echo *.pdf` and it gave me "replicate_eff.pdf replicate_eta.pdf replicate.pdf" while `echo *.eps` yields "replicate_eff.eps replicate.eps replicate_eta.eps". All those years I had assumed that both would have the same order. What a misapprehension! |
| 11:00.55 | Janni | is using bash |
| 11:01.29 | PeterNL | Well, that happens |
| 11:01.32 | Janni | Anyone knows how this is ordered usually? |
| 11:01.47 | Hydroxide | Janni: it still seems to be alphabetical both ways - it just doesn't treat . specially |
| 11:02.05 | Hydroxide | Janni: which, unlike windows and DOS, UNIX and Linux generally don't |
| 11:02.37 | PeterNL | (don't) try `echo *.pdf | sort` (no, this wouldn't help...) |
| 11:02.43 | Hydroxide | erm |
| 11:02.46 | Hydroxide | maybe I'm wrong |
| 11:02.58 | Janni | Indeed it doesn't. |
| 11:03.03 | Hydroxide | don't mind me, it's 6am here and I didn't just wake up :) |
| 11:03.08 | simonrvn | dir entry order. inode mtime or such? |
| 11:03.12 | PeterNL | ah :) |
| 11:03.14 | Hydroxide | -> other stuff & |
| 11:03.19 | simonrvn | er, meant a comma there |
| 11:03.44 | PeterNL | Hi all. How do I force my wifi reciever to use only b/g? I don't use NetworkManager. |
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| 11:04.21 | simonrvn | i don't do wifi, so no clue. |
| 11:05.01 | ethanol | why do you want to force that? |
| 11:05.06 | ethanol | n > * |
| 11:05.29 | homie | what's this all config files need .conf thing for /etc/modprobe.d/* files ? |
| 11:05.55 | ethanol | homie: what's the question? |
| 11:06.02 | homie | the above |
| 11:06.11 | ethanol | homie: then rephrase it :< |
| 11:06.23 | homie | i think it is phrased ok |
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| 11:06.34 | ethanol | yikes, another 65mb upgrades for squeeze. |
| 11:06.39 | simonrvn | package requirement. ask the maintainer(s) |
| 11:07.01 | simonrvn | could be upstream too |
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| 11:07.24 | PeterNL | ethanol: n is broken on this device. it works when I forse b/g on my router and breaks when I use b/g/n or g/n |
| 11:07.36 | simonrvn | 'force' |
| 11:07.38 | ethanol | if your router is set to b/g, your interface should pick that up |
| 11:07.45 | ethanol | no need to force it I think |
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| 11:08.16 | PeterNL_ | did I miss something? |
| 11:08.34 | ethanol | only a typo correction |
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| 11:08.53 | PeterNL_ | oh |
| 11:09.01 | ethanol | but why not set your router to b/g then? |
| 11:09.23 | PeterNL_ | I want to use n on other devices in the same network |
| 11:09.40 | PeterNL_ | and force only this one to b/g |
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| 11:10.20 | simonrvn | is it a kernel driver problem, firmware problem, or just crappy device? |
| 11:10.21 | PeterNL_ | (I can do 80MBit on this laptop with the built-in reciever, but not over b/g) |
| 11:10.29 | ethanol | you could try using iwconfig |
| 11:10.30 | ethanol | http://linuxcommand.org/man_pages/iwconfig8.html |
| 11:10.35 | PeterNL_ | all of the above :D |
| 11:10.52 | simonrvn | well, it's gotta be something. |
| 11:11.03 | ethanol | but doesn't the router switch back to b/g anyway if it notices such a device on the network? |
| 11:11.05 | PeterNL_ | nah, I think it uses an older revesion of the n-draft spec and fails that way |
| 11:11.19 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 11:11.30 | PeterNL_ | not if the device claims it supports n |
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| 11:12.47 | ethanol | in mixed mode, doesn't it limit to the slowest device in the network? |
| 11:12.55 | PeterNL | nope |
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| 11:13.08 | ethanol | most router work that way to my knowledge. :< |
| 11:13.11 | PeterNL | afaik my phone doesn't support n, but my laptop can still do 80MBit |
| 11:13.32 | PeterNL | ...with my phone working at lower speeds at the same time |
| 11:13.51 | ethanol | your problem is very common though |
| 11:14.03 | PeterNL | but maybe that is because I've got a decent router with decent software on it. I wouldn't try with my old router |
| 11:14.04 | ethanol | a lot of devices have trouble communicating with a router that is set to b/g/n |
| 11:14.23 | ethanol | I count hundreds of such questions on google search |
| 11:14.30 | PeterNL | well, only 1 device in this houe, the other 4 work fine |
| 11:14.47 | ethanol | so 1 in 5 fails |
| 11:14.52 | ethanol | :p |
| 11:14.54 | PeterNL | anyway, I'll try iwconfig |
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| 11:16.51 | ethanol | also have a look at iwlist |
| 11:17.03 | ethanol | try iwlist rate |
| 11:17.28 | PeterNL | ah :) |
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| 11:17.50 | PeterNL | unknown |
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| 11:19.08 | ethanol | lunchtime |
| 11:19.33 | PeterNL | well, have a nice lunch :) |
| 11:19.38 | PeterNL | needs a lunch as well |
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| 11:23.17 | PeterNL | Hmmz, not helping |
| 11:24.02 | PeterNL | I tried sudo iwconfig wlan0 rate 12M, but sudo iwlist scan still doesn't show my network |
| 11:24.22 | PeterNL | brb - lunch |
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| 11:29.11 | jargon- | i'm told libcupsys2-dev is the counterpart to cups-devel,but i see no libcupsys2-dev in my apt. only libcups2-dev,and that's not resolving my hplip dependency issue. any ideas? |
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| 11:29.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | jargon-: whats causing the dependency issue? |
| 11:30.20 | jargon- | Kamping_Kaiser: running `sh hplip-3.11.1.run` |
| 11:30.39 | simonrvn | use the package. sheesh. |
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| 11:30.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | jargon-: ah, good luck with it then. |
| 11:30.49 | jargon- | :-| |
| 11:31.27 | simonrvn | tell whomever made that .bin monstrosity to update it, too |
| 11:31.28 | jargon- | the pkg seems to be outdated. i need it to run hp deskjet 2050 scanner. it prints but it won't scan |
| 11:31.41 | jargon- | i'm told using a newer hplip helps |
| 11:32.18 | simonrvn | unpack it, grab the stuff you need from it, or upgrade the hplip you can get to the latest (backport it if it's binary) |
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| 11:33.04 | fix | redhat suxxx!! |
| 11:33.07 | fix | debian is king |
| 11:33.11 | fix | imho |
| 11:33.27 | simonrvn | sighs |
| 11:33.37 | fix | lol |
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| 11:34.43 | Bushmills | there's a tradition of monarch being beheaded |
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| 11:35.17 | simonrvn | fundamentalism of any sort is potentially dangerous |
| 11:35.41 | Bushmills | especially for the former rulers |
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| 11:35.52 | jargon- | simonrvn: Bushmills: sux to be obama,then |
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| 11:36.09 | simonrvn | #politics is that -> way |
| 11:36.13 | Bushmills | how many usa presidents have been taken a shot at? |
| 11:36.32 | jargon- | that should tell u something |
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| 11:39.08 | shashi_ | can anyone help me why totem player controls are not working |
| 11:39.09 | jargon- | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.16 | jargon- | damn |
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| 11:39.58 | simonrvn | shashi_: nope. |
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| 11:40.32 | simonrvn | !ask |
| 11:40.32 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 11:42.42 | jatt | Bushmills: 2 |
| 11:43.34 | _Eyes_ | !errors |
| 11:43.34 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>. |
| 11:43.35 | hid3 | Hello everyone. How do I configure a VLANxxx interface with a certain IP address? |
| 11:43.47 | hid3 | I want my eth1 to listen to VLAN769 and have ip 192.168.80.2 |
| 11:43.51 | Bushmills | jatt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots |
| 11:43.52 | hid3 | but dunno where to start.. |
| 11:44.32 | jatt | 4? wow |
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| 11:44.39 | thewanderer1 | hid3: install vlan package, read the manpage of vconfig. then you make a VLAN interface and it behaves like an Ethernet device. |
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| 11:45.19 | thewanderer1 | hid3: if you put eth1.769 in /etc/network/interfaces, it will automagically work, too - if you have `vlan` installed |
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| 11:47.43 | fix | if your switch/router doesnt support vlans your pissing in the wind |
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| 11:51.30 | jrutke | preciso de ajuda, alguém pode me ajudar? |
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| 11:52.32 | hid3 | thewanderer1: thanks, vlan package was what I actually required! |
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| 11:53.13 | thewanderer1 | !tell jrutke about br |
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| 11:54.48 | jrutke | [thewanderer1]: entende o que eu escrevo? |
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| 11:56.45 | Phr34Ck | Hello everyone. I have downloaded the netinstall image of debian 6. I installed inside a VM using VirtualBox. It's a bare-minimum installing. Is it possible to change the resolution to 800x600 and how to do it please. Thank you. |
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| 11:58.05 | thewanderer1 | Phr34Ck: if you install Guest Additions, you can have any resolution you like |
| 11:59.03 | Phr34Ck | thewanderer1: I tried to do that, but I didn't know how to access the cd-rom content *shy*. |
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| 11:59.50 | thewanderer1 | er... just mount it |
| 12:00.18 | thewanderer1 | only if you mount it in GNOME it will have noexec (probably), so mount from the console with exec option |
| 12:00.21 | kihis | umm. how do i set openswan to use following options: http://x.pastebin.com/83Kc0GX3 |
| 12:00.51 | Phr34Ck | thewanderer1: thank you. |
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| 12:01.15 | cantido | Phr34Ck: you dont need to install the addtions from the cd image |
| 12:01.33 | cantido | Phr34Ck: they are in debian.. the install will actually detect virtualbox and install them for you |
| 12:02.09 | thewanderer1 | yes, but they tend to be outdated quickly... use whatever works anyway |
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| 12:02.27 | thewanderer1 | guys, how does one use GLX over XDMCP? |
| 12:02.45 | cantido | you cant? |
| 12:02.54 | thewanderer1 | err... why? |
| 12:03.03 | cantido | not direct rendering any how |
| 12:03.15 | Phr34Ck | cantido: I don't think that happened. I only downloaded the net-image and installed the bare system. I'm using it to learn how to use the console and hosting things (httpd, nginx ... etc ...) |
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| 12:03.40 | cantido | Phr34Ck: you arent using x11? |
| 12:03.53 | Phr34Ck | cantido: no. |
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| 12:04.13 | cantido | ok, you can set the resolution like you would on a real machine (kernel option, fbset) |
| 12:04.17 | thewanderer1 | haha! I have GLX over XDMCP |
| 12:04.26 | cantido | but its a lot more flexible with X11 |
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| 12:05.15 | Phr34Ck | cantido: I should mention that I'm an almost complete newbie when it comes to GNU/Linux. I try to search and see if I will actually learn something. |
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| 12:05.46 | cantido | Phr34Ck: if you install xorg the virtualbox drivers will allow pasting, dynamic resizing etc |
| 12:05.52 | thewanderer1 | I'll see if OpenArena works through this XDMCP... |
| 12:06.46 | thewanderer1 | Phr34Ck: you know, you can always resize the VirtualBox viewer window and scroll with the scrollbars :> |
| 12:06.53 | Phr34Ck | cantido: very nice. I did that before, but I wanted a system that mimicks my vps account so I can learn from it. No X11 and stuff like that, just what I need. |
| 12:07.10 | cantido | Phr34Ck: ssh into the VM? |
| 12:07.12 | Devastator | thewanderer1 i just made iptv to work, i thought you should know as you helped me a lot with it.. |
| 12:07.27 | Phr34Ck | cantido: will that actually work? *goes to check* |
| 12:07.53 | cantido | Phr34Ck: yes, you need to use something other than the NAT networking though.. |
| 12:08.24 | cantido | Phr34Ck: if you use bonding or host-guest networking you can ssh into the vm |
| 12:08.37 | Phr34Ck | cantido: I will try that, thank you. |
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| 12:09.05 | Phr34Ck | I never thought about sshing into the vm =). |
| 12:09.06 | thewanderer1 | Devastator: great. what altnet's did you use? |
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| 12:09.41 | thewanderer1 | Phr34Ck: is your VPS account under full virt or containers - OpenVZ? |
| 12:09.42 | Devastator | thewanderer1 i got the altnet's from ip route show, but I decided to use cidr /24 instead of the ones in there |
| 12:10.05 | Phr34Ck | thewanderer1: OpenVZ. It's from Linode. |
| 12:10.14 | thewanderer1 | Phr34Ck: then set up OpenVZ just as they did |
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| 12:10.26 | Devastator | thewanderer1 I also put some iptables rules cause channels were freezing |
| 12:10.29 | Phr34Ck | thewanderer1: openvz inside virtualbox ? |
| 12:10.37 | thewanderer1 | Phr34Ck: sure, why not? or even outside |
| 12:10.45 | thewanderer1 | the overhead of OpenVZ is 0 |
| 12:10.49 | Phr34Ck | *head implodes* |
| 12:10.55 | cantido | thewanderer1: I dont think he really needs that |
| 12:10.58 | thewanderer1 | Devastator: blocking anything, or allowing stuff? |
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| 12:11.07 | cantido | thewanderer1: if he just wants to test stuff in debian a plain old vm is fine |
| 12:11.23 | Phr34Ck | thewanderer1: I will try to install openvz, that should be interesting. |
| 12:11.28 | thewanderer1 | yes... not all features work in OpenVZ though |
| 12:11.57 | thewanderer1 | like mount, kernel threads, host device access, privileged I/O... IPv6 conntrack and stuff |
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| 12:12.21 | cantido | other than mount.. is a newbie going to be using those? |
| 12:12.27 | Phr34Ck | thewanderer1: too much overhead for me at this point. I have a lot to learn and a lot to test |
| 12:12.31 | cantido | I presume he just wants to test some scripts or something |
| 12:13.04 | thewanderer1 | ok |
| 12:13.25 | Devastator | thewanderer1 allowing the ips i added in altnet lines |
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| 12:13.52 | thewanderer1 | oh, ok |
| 12:14.07 | thewanderer1 | I'm a noob on multicast :D |
| 12:14.20 | Devastator | i still have some tests to do, see what works or not |
| 12:14.50 | Devastator | i might want to try without altnet lines to see what happens.. |
| 12:15.15 | thewanderer1 | probably multicast won't get through, heh |
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| 12:15.44 | thewanderer1 | or rather IGMP, cause multicast is routed transparently as I see |
| 12:16.37 | thewanderer1 | hm, I see some general weirdness here... pulseaudio sometimes starts, sometimes does not |
| 12:17.01 | thewanderer1 | it's pretty random with about 50% probability |
| 12:18.00 | Devastator | thewanderer1 pulseaudio is buggy since i know it.. |
| 12:18.45 | thewanderer1 | alright now I have no sound at all |
| 12:18.53 | Steve|Oh | lol |
| 12:18.54 | thewanderer1 | it used to work fine I think... then something broke |
| 12:19.06 | thewanderer1 | KDE says dummy output now |
| 12:19.18 | Devastator | squeeze or wheezy? |
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| 12:19.39 | thewanderer1 | Squeeze |
| 12:20.18 | thewanderer1 | I don't even know how KDE detects the audio outputs... pulseaudio is running just fine |
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| 12:25.14 | amoe | Squeeze is using worker MPM for apache by default, but sid is using prefork, is that right? |
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| 12:26.28 | oliva | hi there .. I need to install xen on squeeze on a machine with no network anybody knows wich debian dvd do I need? |
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| 12:37.29 | thewanderer1 | guys, what's "l" (small L) process flag? Pulseaudio has this |
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| 12:38.28 | fishsponge_ | hey people - just built my first debian 6 box! i can't find a way of getting it to work across both my monitors though... |
| 12:38.34 | fishsponge_ | any suggestions? |
| 12:39.03 | bzrk | fishsponge_: nvidia card? |
| 12:39.08 | fishsponge_ | yep |
| 12:39.16 | fishsponge_ | got the proprietary driver installed and working already |
| 12:39.25 | niklaswe | fishsponge_: use nvidia-settings |
| 12:39.43 | fishsponge_ | hmm... not found - separate package or need to be root? |
| 12:40.19 | bzrk | fishsponge_: apt-get install nvidia-xconfig |
| 12:40.19 | fishsponge_ | found it - installing now |
| 12:40.31 | fishsponge_ | why not apt-get install nvidia-settings ?? |
| 12:40.53 | fishsponge_ | nvidia is already working in X... just not with my second monitor, so do i need nvidia-xconfig or nvidia-settings? |
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| 12:41.30 | bzrk | fishsponge_: try both and see what you like |
| 12:41.37 | fishsponge_ | ok, cool |
| 12:41.39 | fishsponge_ | thanks, ppl! |
| 12:41.43 | bzrk | yw |
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| 12:44.35 | Devastator | <fishsponge_> got the proprietary driver installed and working already - I SEE TROUBLE |
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| 12:55.48 | thewanderer1 | where would I put environment variables that should be set when a desktop session is being started? |
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| 12:56.11 | thewanderer1 | but preferably before things like startkde etc. (need to have LIGBL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=yes before kwin/metacity) |
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| 13:01.09 | koulchilebaiz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCS7_Kgfxto |
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| 13:06.53 | jargon- | in case anyone else was having the hplip upgrade dependency issues,here's the solution: http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=141&t=64889 |
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| 13:12.41 | Agiofws | hi |
| 13:12.43 | Agiofws | is this normal |
| 13:12.46 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~/.config/google-chrome$rm -rf Default/ |
| 13:12.50 | Agiofws | rm: cannot remove `Default': Directory not empty |
| 13:13.09 | PeterNL | sure you used the -r option? |
| 13:13.18 | raz0 | No, not normal. |
| 13:13.23 | PeterNL | try rm -rf Default/* |
| 13:14.16 | Agiofws | yes sure |
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| 13:27.01 | valdyn | !first error |
| 13:27.05 | valdyn | !error |
| 13:27.06 | dpkg | user error at console, abort, retry, fail? See also <don't work>, <errors>. |
| 13:27.18 | valdyn | Agiofws: look for the first error |
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| 13:28.33 | mmnicolas | what do you guys use to have name resolution working in a home network without samba ? I've been playing around with bind9 and dnsmasq all night and Im back to considering a host file again |
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| 13:31.31 | slacker_nl | mm, would there be an easy way to figure out if one is in a chrooted environment? |
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| 13:31.48 | rly | mngrif: does your home network have more than 20 machines? |
| 13:32.11 | rly | mmnicolas: does your home network have more than 20 machines? |
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| 13:43.37 | Kottizen | hi, in the package firmware-linux-nonfree, there's a file called tigon/tg3_tso.bin. where can I download that particular file? |
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| 13:44.30 | melonar | Kottizen: download the package and extract what you need? |
| 13:45.13 | cantido | Kottizen: you probably need one of the non-free packages |
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| 13:45.22 | cantido | Kottizen: apt-cache search linux firmware |
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| 13:54.16 | Kottizen | got it, thanks! |
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| 14:02.12 | jooonas | hi |
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| 14:03.28 | jooonas | can someone suggest the best possible compression for a 2TB 40% html& 60% jpg partition image ? |
| 14:04.05 | jooonas | i need to sent it to a new server |
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| 14:04.23 | PeterNL | it's hard to compress a jpeg file any further, but gzip is good and fast for html (and other text files) |
| 14:04.34 | PeterNL | bzip2 is better, but much slower |
| 14:04.40 | jooonas | it can take some time |
| 14:04.49 | cantido | on a switch with two sets of terminals.. the sets are seperate right? |
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| 14:04.58 | fishsponge_ | hey people - i'm trying to install thunderbird, but cannot find it within synaptic... any suggestions? |
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| 14:05.12 | cantido | oops wrong channel |
| 14:05.18 | cantido | huglester: icedove |
| 14:05.31 | jooonas | PeterNL: can i do bzip2 while sending it |
| 14:05.36 | rudi_s | !tell fishsponge_ about icedove |
| 14:05.47 | thewanderer1 | what does "si" mean in top? I get 50% system load on si |
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| 14:06.10 | fishsponge_ | thanks rudi_s |
| 14:06.10 | PeterNL | jooonas: if you can, try both and see what is the fastest |
| 14:06.25 | thewanderer1 | oh, software interrupts. LANG=C manpages are better than localised ones... |
| 14:06.27 | stew | jooonas: yes, use bzcat in a pipr |
| 14:06.30 | stew | pipe* |
| 14:06.34 | PeterNL | bzip2 might be slower that your network connection, gzip should be very fast |
| 14:06.56 | jooonas | PeterNL: connection is 10 to 15 mbit |
| 14:06.58 | thewanderer1 | so I have 50% si load... is this normal? how to ease this? |
| 14:07.05 | llutz | thewanderer1: si = Software Interrupts man top |
| 14:07.07 | PeterNL | jooonas: i'd use gzip for that |
| 14:07.08 | rudi_s | np |
| 14:07.20 | thewanderer1 | llutz: yes, now I see, had to set LANG=C cause it was not in Polish manpage |
| 14:08.49 | thewanderer1 | now why would it be spending 50% of its time handling software interrupts and how to fix that? am running OpenArena full screen |
| 14:09.16 | jooonas | stew: bzcat is a package? |
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| 14:09.20 | melonar | or use no compression at all for the html and jpeg data, instead copy via ssh with compression enabled |
| 14:09.42 | jooonas | melonar: that does not compress it at all |
| 14:10.00 | stew | jooonas: no its a command in the bzip2 package |
| 14:10.06 | melonar | the html wont be 1 single piece, will it? |
| 14:10.13 | thewanderer1 | the game just seems very laggy |
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| 14:11.00 | jooonas | melonar: its a whole xfs image |
| 14:11.16 | melonar | ah, ok |
| 14:11.21 | jooonas | melonar: because 25million files would add some extra delay |
| 14:11.51 | PeterNL | how large is it? |
| 14:12.15 | jooonas | 2.4TB |
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| 14:13.32 | PeterNL | ah... |
| 14:13.34 | stew | jooonas: if you want best possilbe compression, you probably want xz (and xzcat) |
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| 14:13.41 | PeterNL | that's a lot |
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| 14:14.32 | stew | jooonas: xzcat -9 < /dev/whatever | ssh user@remotehost dd of=/path/to/dest.xz |
| 14:15.17 | thewanderer1 | actually compressing JPEG is a bad idea |
| 14:15.42 | thewanderer1 | and xz will take longer than transmitting this over the wire |
| 14:16.03 | thewanderer1 | gzip is fine, but what I'd do would be just packing html into one archive, compressing, and then moving JPEG uncompressed |
| 14:16.25 | stew | thewanderer1: why is compressing jpeg a bad idea? |
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| 14:16.56 | thewanderer1 | stew: because it is already compressed |
| 14:17.31 | stew | thewanderer1: why is it a bad idea to compress something that is already compressed? |
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| 14:17.58 | zinx | stew: because you increase the processing time without decreasing the space it takes by much |
| 14:18.07 | jooonas | stew: can we add onthe fly uncompression to that line so i can report the result in a minute |
| 14:18.10 | stew | for me it decreases the space by much |
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| 14:18.19 | melonar | if he says time does not matter much, then i would use rsync+ssh |
| 14:18.42 | stew | jooonas: i'm not sure I undetstand what you mean there |
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| 14:18.55 | melonar | rsync has a "-z" option for compression |
| 14:18.58 | stew | jooonas: btw I left off a needed -z in the xzcat command |
| 14:19.35 | xk | is there any free and simple message board software? |
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| 14:20.20 | k1ch4w4 | hi, can i purge this one "c postgresql-8.3" |
| 14:21.02 | jooonas | stew: xzcat -9 < /dev/whatever | ssh user@remotehost ??????? dd of=/path/to/uncompressedimagefile |
| 14:21.42 | stew | jooonas: yes, but get rid of ??????? and change -9 to -z -9 |
| 14:21.56 | thewanderer1 | xk: phpbb3 |
| 14:22.15 | jooonas | stew: ok, report the result in a minute |
| 14:22.30 | stew | jooonas: oh wait |
| 14:22.36 | xk | thewanderer1: nah, too kitchensink'ish for me. |
| 14:22.38 | stew | jooonas: uncompressedimagefile? no, it would be compressed |
| 14:22.46 | xk | needs to be flat-style and _simple_ |
| 14:23.01 | thewanderer1 | xk: then use apt-cache and search :P |
| 14:23.08 | xk | tried it on lenny, no results :) |
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| 14:23.20 | jooonas | stew:it should be uncompressed immediately , so that we can see the compression rate and save time |
| 14:23.20 | stew | jooonas: if you just want to compress it over the wire (and end up with an uncompressed file on the other side) use rsync -z |
| 14:23.49 | homie | hmmm, i installed the proprietary drivers from nvidia for my gfx card, but now the nvidia logo is not shown...whereas in the old system it was shown... |
| 14:24.20 | jooonas | stew:this wont work for xz or bz2 ? |
| 14:24.34 | homie | the same driver, only compiled with gcc-4.3 this time not 4.1, i don't have any other things from nvidia installed besides nvidia-settgings and nvclock from distro |
| 14:24.55 | cantido | homie: you want the logo? |
| 14:25.04 | homie | hmmm, yes |
| 14:25.13 | cantido | its an Xorg option for the driver IIRC |
| 14:25.15 | homie | instead i have a black screen at the start now |
| 14:25.26 | homie | oh |
| 14:25.30 | cantido | for the two seconds it takes to load? |
| 14:25.36 | homie | but i did not alter xorg.conf either |
| 14:26.03 | homie | no i ask myself why everything being the same other then the kernel now the logo disappeared |
| 14:26.06 | cantido | how are you installing the driver? |
| 14:26.19 | homie | sh NVIDIA-INSTALLER-blah |
| 14:26.32 | homie | hmm, wait now sh is actually dash not sh |
| 14:26.38 | homie | is that due to it ? |
| 14:26.42 | homie | hrmm |
| 14:26.49 | homie | i don't think so |
| 14:27.11 | homie | it deinstalled somethings on it's way though... |
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| 14:27.19 | homie | glx.h or such |
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| 14:27.28 | cantido | homie: use the debian packages |
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| 14:27.38 | homie | no, they are tool old, no worky here |
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| 14:27.49 | cantido | homie: in squeeze_ |
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| 14:27.50 | cantido | ? |
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| 14:28.24 | homie | yes, i got another version of the driver with prop driver i see, than what i am shown by apt-get for nvidia-kernel |
| 14:28.43 | homie | diffrent |
| 14:28.57 | homie | this one works, the other not i'm sure |
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| 14:31.26 | melonar | homie: what exactly is the problem? |
| 14:31.35 | homie | no logo |
| 14:31.46 | homie | all else is ok i think |
| 14:31.50 | homie | just no logo at the start |
| 14:32.02 | melonar | then forget about the logo :P |
| 14:32.05 | homie | lol |
| 14:32.10 | homie | no i won't |
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| 14:34.35 | melonar | homie: check your xorg.conf for a setting like: Option "NoLogo" "True" |
| 14:34.43 | melonar | then set this to "False" |
| 14:35.44 | StucKman | I'm trying to create a disk image with a debian instalation wich will boot. with 'disk image' I mean an actual disk image, not partition image, that has complete MBR, partitions and boot loader. the idea is to later use this image with qemu, virtualbox and/or vmware. now, I know about debootstrap and actually I already have a script taht does it, but I remember reading about a tool that already did that. I think I read about it in planet debian, ... |
| 14:35.50 | StucKman | ... but I can't find it now. anyone knows it? |
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| 14:39.06 | homie | melonar: there's no option like that in my xorg.conf |
| 14:39.23 | homie | melonar: and without that option the logo was shown before in the other xorg |
| 14:39.35 | homie | melonar: and that xserver was an older one from lenny |
| 14:39.41 | melonar | homie: with the same Xorg and driver version? |
| 14:39.41 | homie | even |
| 14:39.58 | melonar | yeah, so maybe the default of the Xorg server changed |
| 14:39.59 | homie | melonar: the xserver got updated to the squeeze version |
| 14:40.06 | homie | and the logo is gone |
| 14:40.07 | melonar | i dont know, just try it with that option |
| 14:40.49 | homie | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.58 | homie | s/that/true/ |
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| 14:41.54 | homie | melonar: just one thing, where does that option belong to ? in the xorg.conf section device ? where the driver is ? |
| 14:42.13 | homie | melonar: not monitor section not ? |
| 14:43.12 | melonar | homie: yeah, in the section "device" where it loads the nvidia driver |
| 14:43.21 | homie | ok thanks, brb |
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| 14:45.52 | xk | fucking flash |
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| 14:46.05 | xk | what type of programmers does adobe hire? fucking morons? |
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| 14:54.37 | jony | I have a bunch of chatrooms -and I want to always connect to them when I start XCHAT - what should I do ? |
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| 14:55.22 | melonar | jony: put them in the field "favourite channels", seperated by commas |
| 14:56.07 | jony | melonar, if I am now already in those rooms - is any way to click somthing -? |
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| 14:56.51 | melonar | to save the effort of typing? you can right click on the channel and select "add favourite" |
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| 14:59.38 | jony | melonar - thanks a bunch - it worked :) |
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| 15:06.21 | jbee | hey there. i already have arch linux installed on encrypted lvm with partitions for / and /home. is it possible to install debian 6 on the / and keep the /home? |
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| 15:08.44 | melonar | jbee: if you remember the passphrase, then it should be no problem when you select "manual partitioning" and "keep existing data" for /home |
| 15:09.23 | jbee | melonar: i have complete access, just wondering if the installer supports it. is that a new feature? |
| 15:09.30 | melonar | what could happen is that you need to "chown" to your new users, because the user IDs do not match |
| 15:09.56 | melonar | e.g. on debian the first normal user account has ID 1000 |
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| 15:11.17 | jbee | would you recomment debian 6 on a netbook? |
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| 15:11.50 | melonar | jbee: absolutely :P |
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| 15:12.41 | melonar | Debian is universal, good for servers, desktops, laptops and netbooks. it even runs well on phones |
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| 15:13.32 | jbee | melonar: thanks! |
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| 15:21.01 | cmeiklejohn | anyone getting hash sum mismatch from any of the mirrors? i'm getiting it from us.debian.org and debian.lcs.mit.edu? |
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| 15:23.11 | aca20031 | So what did I press that makes VI type ABCD when I press the arrow keys :( |
| 15:23.28 | SlayerXP | aca20031: :set nocompatible |
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| 15:23.55 | aca20031 | interesting |
| 15:24.25 | alexxio | hi, how can i see which kernel are installed and start one of them at boot? (i'm by remote control, no physically there) |
| 15:24.46 | alexxio | i think i need to change jernel |
| 15:24.49 | alexxio | kernel |
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| 15:30.35 | fbs | uname |
| 15:30.40 | fbs | uname -r iirc |
| 15:30.45 | fbs | anyway, man uname |
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| 15:32.32 | hrushi | hey i m getting error while compiling module...error is as follows...http://paste.ubuntu.com/570084/ plz help |
| 15:33.31 | themill | hrushi: you were in the right place when you asked in #ubuntu earlier. |
| 15:33.50 | fbs | i dont see a error |
| 15:34.03 | fbs | it compiled and linked? |
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| 15:36.20 | hrushi | fbs:no |
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| 15:37.46 | fbs | anyway --> ubuntu |
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| 15:40.13 | paq | when you watch a youtube or other flash video, I used to see a Flashx7ds type named file in /tmp which I could move and watch later. But I don't see it in /tmp in Debian 6. Anyone where it is kept now? |
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| 15:42.00 | fbs | which flash player |
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| 15:42.13 | paq | the nonfree one in the repos |
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| 15:42.48 | paq | fbs, do you need a version numbers? How can find that? |
| 15:43.17 | lgp171188 | Hi all, I have installed openntpd on my Debian Lenny server to sync time with the ntp servers. My time zone is correctly set to Asia/Kolkata but on sync with ntp servers the system time is in UTC. I have enabled the -s option in /etc/default/openntpd. How can I correct this? |
| 15:43.18 | fbs | nah |
| 15:43.27 | alexxio | my smfpd process is taking so much memory and cpu, and i cant understand why |
| 15:43.33 | paq | fbs, shockwave 10.1 |
| 15:43.43 | alexxio | how can i see if it's normal or not? |
| 15:43.44 | fbs | paq: i dunno about the nonfree |
| 15:44.14 | paq | fbs, Actually I think it is the free one |
| 15:44.20 | fbs | paq: gnash |
| 15:44.37 | fbs | lgp171188: afaik you should keep the system time in UTC and use timezonese to get localtime |
| 15:44.39 | paq | fbs, yeah that what it say. Gnash 0.8.8 |
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| 15:45.21 | lgp171188 | fbs: How do I get the localtime then? |
| 15:45.49 | paq | fbs, I go to add-ons, plugins, and it says, Shockware Flash 10.1 r999. Gnash 0.8.8, the GNU SWF Player. Copyright Free Software Foundation |
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| 15:46.22 | fbs | lgp171188: cat /etc/timezone should give the right timezone |
| 15:46.29 | fbs | else dpkg-reconfigure tzdata iirc |
| 15:47.02 | fbs | after reconfig you should get smth like |
| 15:47.03 | fbs | Local time is now: Mon Feb 21 16:46:42 CET 2011. |
| 15:47.03 | fbs | Universal Time is now: Mon Feb 21 15:46:42 UTC 2011. |
| 15:47.12 | fbs | paq: what did the file contain? |
| 15:47.15 | lgp171188 | fbs: the tzdata is correctly set to my timezone Asia/Kolkata |
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| 15:48.30 | paq | fbs, no, I went to FF options, manage add-ons, and it just gives info about the flash I have installed, but it wasn't a file to look in |
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| 15:49.26 | fbs | paq: but what do you want to do with the file? |
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| 15:50.21 | fbs | i never looked at the file tbh |
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| 15:50.40 | paq | you know when I watch a youtube video, sometimes, it downloads the whole file before I am done watching, so I prefer to watch it local with vlc because it plays smoother then through the FF swf player |
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| 15:54.08 | fbs | paq: ah ok |
| 15:54.19 | fbs | maybe try about:cache in your browser |
| 15:54.24 | fbs | then cd to that directory |
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| 15:55.12 | paq | fbs, thanks, let me see |
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| 15:55.22 | fbs | but its not the easy way |
| 15:55.46 | fbs | i use it if i need to get a file from youtube |
| 15:55.52 | fbs | download the whole file |
| 15:55.55 | fbs | then cd into the dir |
| 15:56.01 | fbs | du -ch * | |
| 15:56.48 | fbs | du -ch * | gawk '{print $1}' | grep M |
| 15:56.53 | sedulous | What's the appropriate way to determine the GCC header directory from within a debian/rules file? e.g.: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.4/include/ |
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| 15:58.17 | paq | fbs, no, its not in the cache |
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| 15:58.30 | paq | fbs, it used to be in /tmp |
| 15:58.34 | sedulous | I'd use $(gcc -print-search-dirs | grep install | cut -f 2 -d " ") but it seems ugly. |
| 15:58.35 | melonar | paq: have a look at http://rg3.github.com/youtube-dl/ |
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| 16:00.12 | paq | melonar, cool, but the thing is, they have the download helper program anyway, but I am pretty sure that you end up downloading twice, once for viewing and then when you download it using download helper, it downloads it a second time |
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| 16:01.02 | paq | melonar, I don't want to end up downloadig twice. Thats what I like about going to /tmp, cause if I felt like keeping a video to watch later, I would just copy it from temp, and it would have only been downloaded once |
| 16:01.14 | melonar | paq: i only search and preview on youtube.com and when i like something, then i feed it to youtube-dl for later viewing |
| 16:01.50 | melonar | the cache for flash stuff is handled differently, not via /tmp |
| 16:01.57 | paq | melonar, but you could jsut as well use download helper |
| 16:02.16 | melonar | true |
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| 16:03.12 | paq | melonar, I used to find the flash video in /tmp before I upgraded to debian 6. I think maybe it has to do with the non-free flash. I installed the non-free version, but it show gnash in FF add-ons. I think maybe I have to go to Flash website and download it. and then I will see the files in /tmp |
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| 16:03.48 | mil0 | Hi, I have upgraded to squeeze and I have problem. I have 2 LSI (sas and scsi) raid controllers (one for system, another for storage). I've used with lenny custom compiled kernel (2.6.31.6) without initrd and it was working well with lenny. After squeeze upgrade I can't boot my custom kernel - it fails on detecting LVM volume groups. Distribution 2.6.32-5-amd64 works fine. It looks like, that /dev/sda and /dev/sdb were detected (dmesg), but after LVM fail, if I try |
| 16:03.58 | fbs | paq: there is a copy in the cache :) |
| 16:04.06 | mil0 | so it's like udev problem, or I don't know :-( any idea? |
| 16:04.31 | mil0 | root partition is outside LVM |
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| 16:04.34 | melonar | mil0: make sure your volumes are activated |
| 16:04.51 | mil0 | melonar: LVM volumes? |
| 16:04.58 | paq | fbs, hmm, I don't think so, cause when you are watching a video, the file is constantly updated, so if you du of the directory, you will see it increase, but when I look I don't |
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| 16:05.03 | melonar | mil0: also check if the UUIDs of the volumes fit your grub.conf and mdadm.conf |
| 16:05.23 | mil0 | melonar: I'm not using software raid |
| 16:05.42 | mil0 | melonar: I'm using lilo ... |
| 16:05.51 | fbs | lilo is a bootlaoder? |
| 16:05.54 | fbs | lvm != raid? |
| 16:05.55 | melonar | you just said it fails on detecting the volume groups |
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| 16:06.07 | mil0 | melonar: also array device |
| 16:06.11 | mil0 | in /dev |
| 16:06.34 | mil0 | dmesg write, that [sda] and [sdb] were detected, but in /dev I can see only sdb |
| 16:06.45 | fbs | paq: now i think of it, this pc might be running the non free flash |
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| 16:06.51 | fbs | paq: maybe try the gnash irc |
| 16:07.10 | mil0 | before upgrade with lenny kernel was working well |
| 16:07.11 | paq | fbs, I have chrome too, it must have the non-free flash |
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| 16:07.16 | interopcop | can anyone here tell me how I can 'disable all services on a debian 4.0 box (except sshd) |
| 16:07.19 | interopcop | "? |
| 16:07.45 | melonar | interopcop: have a look at /etc/init.d/README |
| 16:07.52 | fbs | interopcop: try rcconf for a gui program |
| 16:07.52 | interopcop | just go to /etc/init.d and do # thing stop? |
| 16:08.01 | fbs | to disable things at boot |
| 16:08.08 | interopcop | I tried rcconf but this box has no visibility to debian repos |
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| 16:08.30 | fbs | "/etc/init.d/$PROGRAM stop" to stop |
| 16:08.34 | petemc | interopcop: you should have update-rc.d installed, you can use that |
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| 16:09.56 | interopcop | suppose I want to list allthat's running, first. how do I do that? |
| 16:10.36 | fbs | a script ? |
| 16:10.42 | fbs | but i'd do it manually |
| 16:10.54 | fbs | and config it so they wont run at boot |
| 16:11.02 | petemc | ls -la /etc/rc2.d/S* , note there are some things in there you wont want to mess with |
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| 16:12.19 | interopcop | I'm decommissioning the server but I have no idea who/what is using it. So I need to tread lightly |
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| 16:13.36 | initq | anyone know what mirror i can use that would not give me the error "mirror does not support specified release", i am trying to install squeeze |
| 16:14.01 | petemc | initq: where did you get the install media? |
| 16:14.05 | mil0 | melonar: any idea? |
| 16:14.28 | initq | petemc, let me get you the link, i got the netinstall amd64 from debian |
| 16:15.02 | Erbureth | interopcop: "find /etc/init.d/ -type f -exec invoke-rc.d '{}' status" |
| 16:15.03 | Erbureth | interopcop: (warning, not tested) |
| 16:15.04 | initq | petemc: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#smallcd |
| 16:15.26 | initq | petemc: i got the amd64 |
| 16:15.27 | fbs | initq: maybe your using a mirror that isnt updated to squeeze yet? |
| 16:15.43 | fbs | it says: mirror does not support squeeze |
| 16:15.51 | initq | fbs: i exhausted all the usa and germany |
| 16:16.26 | initq | fbs: could you paste one that you know if squeeze |
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| 16:17.00 | fbs | the debian archives? |
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| 16:17.45 | initq | fbs: yes please |
| 16:17.49 | fbs | im using mirrors.nl.kernel.org |
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| 16:18.00 | initq | fbs: nice , let me try that one |
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| 16:20.21 | fbs | or directly from debian |
| 16:20.23 | fbs | should wokr |
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| 16:21.42 | tdroid | When building a kernel install package, how to I include files in the output /etc/kernel/postinst.d? |
| 16:21.55 | fbs | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 16:22.18 | Spida | http://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug <- blkid -o value -s TYPE /dev/sda1 |
| 16:22.30 | Spida | fstype /dev/sda1 <- If the output of aboves command differ, your partition was not cleanly formated. For example mkfs.ext2 does not clear all sectors when formating a partition. |
| 16:22.53 | Spida | what IF they differ? all worked well until I dist-upgraded to squeeze... |
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| 16:26.44 | jhutchins | Sometimes when a bug gets fixed, you discover you were actually relying on the bug for the system to run the way you expected. |
| 16:26.50 | jhutchins | I've had that happen a lot with samba. |
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| 16:27.33 | Dark_Wolf | Anybody know why just after installing my machine would say "GRUB Read Error - Operating system not found?" |
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| 16:31.02 | fbs | maybe grub is fucked up? |
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| 16:32.30 | Dark_Wolf | fbs: I figured, but it's a new install. Suggestions? |
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| 16:32.46 | fbs | boot a live cd and check grub |
| 16:32.50 | fbs | and bios settings |
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| 16:33.16 | Dark_Wolf | Which BIOS settings should I check, and what should I check on live? |
| 16:33.44 | fbs | the grub config |
| 16:33.53 | fbs | and the kernel image in /boot |
| 16:33.57 | Dark_Wolf | Which one? |
| 16:34.02 | Dark_Wolf | grub.cfg? :/ |
| 16:34.05 | fbs | yeah |
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| 16:37.00 | Dark_Wolf | fbs: I don't really see any issues in the config |
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| 16:37.06 | Dark_Wolf | Dunno what I should be looking for though |
| 16:37.11 | Dark_Wolf | The images are present too |
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| 16:38.28 | fishsponge_ | i'm trying to make a new synaptic link on my panel, but what command do i need so it prompts me for the root password instead of running as myself? |
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| 16:38.49 | fishsponge_ | i can't right-click on the menu item for it because that just loads up synaptic |
| 16:38.52 | Dark_Wolf | gksudo |
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| 16:39.01 | ATIM3 | hi! is ther anyone here who runs batti-gtk on squeeze ? |
| 16:39.03 | fishsponge_ | so "gksudo synaptic"? |
| 16:39.08 | Dark_Wolf | Yup. |
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| 16:39.30 | fishsponge_ | "gksudo synaptic" returns "(gksudo:5515): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_str_has_prefix: assertion `str != NULL' failed" |
| 16:39.43 | Dark_Wolf | Something is broken, I suppose :/ |
| 16:39.56 | fishsponge_ | it works when I choose the menu item, just not when I run this command though |
| 16:40.09 | Dark_Wolf | synaptic should prompt by default though |
| 16:40.19 | Dark_Wolf | Never mind, doesn't |
| 16:40.26 | fishsponge_ | it doesn't... it tells me i'll be running as non-root and will therefore be read-only |
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| 16:40.43 | fishsponge_ | how can i find out what command the menu item runs? |
| 16:40.44 | Dark_Wolf | The menu launcher runs... |
| 16:40.45 | Dark_Wolf | gksu --description /usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop /usr/sbin/synaptic |
| 16:40.53 | fishsponge_ | ah... how did you find that out? |
| 16:41.02 | Dark_Wolf | I added it to the desktop and checked properties |
| 16:41.03 | Ahoalton | Hello I'm in debian and I need help installing packages with synaptic |
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| 16:41.13 | Dark_Wolf | so try running gksu /usr/sbin/synaptic |
| 16:41.21 | Ahoalton | why does it need me to inster the disc I installed it with |
| 16:41.35 | mil0 | what could be wrong if dmesg writes, that [sda] and [sdb] were detected, but /dev/sda is not created, only /dev/sdb...? |
| 16:41.37 | fishsponge_ | Dark_Wolf, just copied the whole lot into the panel launcher, and it works perfectly! :-) |
| 16:41.38 | Dark_Wolf | Ahoalton: because Debian adds the disc as a software source by default |
| 16:41.42 | Ahoalton | I mean I can run synaptic it just wont install the packages with out the disck |
| 16:41.54 | Dark_Wolf | Ahoalton: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add # to the beginning of the CD line |
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| 16:42.07 | ATIM3 | Dark_Wolf, good! perhaps you can help me with a batti-gtk showstopper. Whenever I try to run batti it exits with the error " Can't import batti's BatteryMonitor module" |
| 16:42.17 | Dark_Wolf | No idea about tht one |
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| 16:42.36 | Dark_Wolf | fishsponge_: glad I could help. :) |
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| 16:42.56 | fishsponge_ | so am i! :-) thanks again. |
| 16:43.09 | Dark_Wolf | You're welcome :) |
| 16:43.20 | SmartViking | Hey, I can't get gnome started and I can't get connected to the internet |
| 16:43.55 | SmartViking | When I run "startx" is says, "exec: 3: /usr/bin/X: not found" |
| 16:44.12 | cahoot | xorg not installed? |
| 16:44.27 | SmartViking | cahoot: Maybe |
| 16:44.40 | Dark_Wolf | Ahoalton: in the terminal, type sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.bak && sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:44.51 | SmartViking | When I installed I selected to install DE |
| 16:45.05 | SmartViking | So i thought it would e installed |
| 16:45.16 | Dark_Wolf | Ahoalton: it'll be the line that starts with deb cdrom |
| 16:45.31 | Ahoalton | but I don't want to use the cdrom |
| 16:45.35 | Dark_Wolf | Right |
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| 16:45.36 | SmartViking | But as I can't connect to the internet I don't know how I would install it |
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| 16:45.53 | Dark_Wolf | Ahoalton: add a # before that line and hit ctrl-o, ctrl-x |
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| 16:46.08 | Dark_Wolf | Ahoalton: That will disable the cdrom as a source of software |
| 16:46.10 | cahoot | SmartViking: did a netinstall? |
| 16:46.16 | SmartViking | cahoot: Yes |
| 16:46.21 | buntunub | SmartViking: follow the minimal install guide |
| 16:46.32 | SmartViking | buntunub: Can you give me a link? |
| 16:46.34 | buntunub | skip to the part about installing Xwindows |
| 16:46.36 | Ahoalton | Dark_Wolf |
| 16:46.47 | Ahoalton | sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.bak && sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:46.57 | Ahoalton | We trust you have received the usual lecture from the local System |
| 16:46.57 | Ahoalton | Administrator. It usually boils down to these three things: |
| 16:46.57 | Ahoalton | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.57 | Ahoalton | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.57 | Ahoalton | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:47.17 | Dark_Wolf | Just enter the password |
| 16:47.24 | Ahoalton | I did |
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| 16:47.42 | Ahoalton | should I do it in root terminal\ |
| 16:47.50 | Dark_Wolf | sudo gives you root privileges |
| 16:48.06 | Ahoalton | sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.bak && sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:48.14 | Ahoalton | rich is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 16:48.18 | Ahoalton | that's what I got |
| 16:48.23 | Ahoalton | rich is the user name |
| 16:48.28 | Dark_Wolf | Then do it in the root terminal |
| 16:48.37 | Dark_Wolf | While you're there... you might want to add yourself to the sudoers file |
| 16:48.49 | SmartViking | It is weird that I can't connect to the internet as I am sharing the internet through ethernet with another computer and it worked fine with the install, but I'm not so very comfortable with connection to the internet through the shell, so I don't relly understand how I would do it |
| 16:48.53 | Ahoalton | what is that? and how do I do it |
| 16:49.08 | Dark_Wolf | Just do the thing I mentioned first, then we'll get to sudoers |
| 16:49.52 | Ahoalton | ok, it worked now what I'm confused |
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| 16:50.15 | Dark_Wolf | Ahoalton: are you back at the normal terminal? |
| 16:50.21 | Dark_Wolf | I mean the prompt |
| 16:50.26 | cahoot | SmartViking: so it's a wired connection |
| 16:50.27 | cahoot | ? |
| 16:51.07 | Ahoalton | no I'm in the root terminal |
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| 16:52.22 | SmartViking | cahoot: Yeah, forwarded IPv4 from another machine, the machine I am forwarding for says that the connection is up, and it seems a little like it is too from the install machine, but I can't ping anything |
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| 16:52.40 | cahoot | not even using ip#? |
| 16:52.56 | ATIM3 | can anyone who is running squeeze on an old PII or PIII laptop and who does not run kde or gnome on it recommend me a light X app that displays a pop up window warning me that my battery is low? This app should works on icewm, fluxbox, openbox or lxde. |
| 16:53.15 | amphi | xmessage? |
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| 16:53.24 | SmartViking | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:53.54 | SmartViking | cahoot: I say the "ip" command but I didn't know how to use it |
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| 16:53.55 | amphi | ATIM3: if you like system monitors, gkrellm can do battery warnings as well |
| 16:53.58 | cahoot | SmartViking: try ping 209.85.149.147 |
| 16:54.51 | SmartViking | cahoot: "From 10.0.0.8 blablabla Destination Host Unreachable" |
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| 16:55.43 | SmartViking | I guess I didn't install Xorg, I only have like "xorg-common" |
| 16:55.53 | SmartViking | I don't get why there's no internet |
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| 16:57.09 | SmartViking | You have just install you debian system, you wanna connect to the internet, what command do you launch? |
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| 16:58.50 | jhutchins | SmartViking: You have to set it up. |
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| 16:59.02 | MoonTiger | hi :) |
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| 16:59.17 | MoonTiger | does anybody know why i keep getting prompted for a username / pw when i try to print a document? |
| 16:59.33 | SmartViking | jhutchins: I did something like that when I used the graphical network install, I guess I have to do that again, How can I do that? |
| 16:59.45 | jhutchins | !tell SmartViking about networking |
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| 17:00.00 | Phil-Work` | is it a local or network printer, MoonTiger? |
| 17:00.56 | MoonTiger | network printer shared on (sigh) XP |
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| 17:01.29 | Phil-Work` | so it'll need the username/password to connect to the network share |
| 17:01.36 | ATIM3 | can anyone who is running squeeze on an old PII or PIII laptop and who does not run kde or gnome on it recommend me a light X app that displays a pop up window warning me that my battery is low? This app should work on squeeze with any of the following: icewm, fluxbox, openbox or lxde. |
| 17:01.43 | MoonTiger | i set that in the printer setup but it keeps forgetting them |
| 17:02.34 | MoonTiger | i have debian testing w/ xfce 4.6.1 & slim |
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| 17:02.53 | hyde__ | I just installed debian squeeze via text install, and noticed it still defaults to use EXT3, rather than EXT4. Is this correct? |
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| 17:03.53 | sidro | http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20110221#feature |
| 17:04.02 | sidro | Jesse Smith is an idiot |
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| 17:04.53 | MoonTiger | Phil-Work`, does /etc/cups/cups.conf have anything to do with my woes? |
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| 17:05.05 | Dark_Wolf | is away: I'm busy |
| 17:05.27 | MoonTiger | cupsd.conf sorry |
| 17:06.12 | sidro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:07.16 | timothy | after signing in at the gdm login on debian my desktop takes awhile before loading/showing. what could be the problem? |
| 17:07.35 | SmartViking | jhutchins: Thanks a ton now the internet is working |
| 17:08.05 | sidro | Jesse Smith is among the worst reviwes |
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| 17:09.41 | ATIM3 | can anyone who is running squeeze on an old PII or PIII laptop and who does not run kde or gnome on it recommend me a light X app that displays a pop up window warning me that my battery is low? This app should work on squeeze with any of the following: icewm, fluxbox, openbox or lxde. |
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| 17:11.30 | MCBI | hi, i'm curious for something is there a possibility for letting iptables on debian do this, user who didn't connect 12345 port first shouldn't connect to 12346 |
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| 17:12.23 | xk | MCBI: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Port_Knocking |
| 17:12.37 | MCBI | xk: thank you, i'm gonna check it |
| 17:12.40 | SmartViking | I installed xorg, and it automatically lauchned gdm3 and now it looks like it freezed, doesn't take any keyboard input |
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| 17:15.33 | MoonTiger | so nobody has an idea why i keep being asked for username / pw when i try to print a document? |
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| 17:16.06 | Dark_Wolf | MoonTiger: is it a network printer? |
| 17:16.31 | kba_ | is there a way to see what files have been accessing my mailserver? |
| 17:16.56 | MoonTiger | Dark_Wolf, yes its on XP as a shared printer ... i have a test page working fine from my debian machine |
| 17:16.58 | SmartViking | How when I start the system it seems to stop on "Starting NFS common utilities: statd" is this supposed to take long time? |
| 17:17.09 | MoonTiger | just when i try to print it prompts for a username and password |
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| 17:17.44 | Dark_Wolf | MoonTiger: Which OS is the printer connected to? |
| 17:17.57 | MoonTiger | windows XP |
| 17:18.22 | SmartViking | "statpar: service(s) returned failure: nfs-common ... failed!" |
| 17:18.30 | Dark_Wolf | Have you checked the share settings to make sure it's not set to require credentials? |
| 17:18.35 | MoonTiger | yes |
| 17:18.41 | MoonTiger | like i said it prints a test page fine |
| 17:18.53 | MoonTiger | just when i try to print a regualr doc it prompts me for credentials |
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| 17:19.54 | SmartViking | Oh, It was running the xserver in tty7, but the other ttys was just blinking cursors, weird |
| 17:20.09 | Dark_Wolf | MoonTiger: can you actually log in though? |
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| 17:20.24 | MoonTiger | log in to what? |
| 17:20.33 | themill | Dark_Wolf: btw please turn off "away" notifications in #debian. (/msg dpkg away) |
| 17:20.38 | Dark_Wolf | is back (gone 00:15:33) |
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| 17:21.21 | Dark_Wolf | MoonTiger: when it asks, do you enter the credentials of the Windows user? |
| 17:21.29 | MoonTiger | no ... linux user |
| 17:21.38 | Dark_Wolf | Try the Windows user |
| 17:21.47 | MoonTiger | if i enter the linux user it works |
| 17:21.50 | Dark_Wolf | Ah |
| 17:21.59 | Dark_Wolf | Well I don't think the prompts can actually be turned off, not very sure though |
| 17:22.05 | Dark_Wolf | I'd like to know myself |
| 17:22.06 | MoonTiger | really?? |
| 17:22.16 | MoonTiger | that would be *ridiculous* if true |
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| 17:23.36 | Dark_Wolf | Sorry I can't help more. Let me know if you find out anything. |
| 17:23.42 | MoonTiger | will do |
| 17:23.45 | MoonTiger | thnx for trying |
| 17:23.46 | MoonTiger | :) |
| 17:24.47 | Dark_Wolf | Welcome :) |
| 17:25.21 | RichiH | heh... mass-upgrade via ssh and dpkg falls back from dialog to readline and from there to teletype |
| 17:25.24 | RichiH | god, i love debian |
| 17:25.36 | RichiH | well, debconf, not dpkg |
| 17:25.39 | Dark_Wolf | Now, anyone know why I would get "GRUB Read Error - Operating system not found" just after installing Debian? |
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| 17:26.44 | OpenTokix | Dark_Wolf: Disk-order may have changed. |
| 17:27.04 | Dark_Wolf | OpenTokix: could you elaborate on that please? |
| 17:27.26 | OpenTokix | Dark_Wolf: Well, hard to know with out details. - But depending on the probe order - what was sda might be sdb etc. |
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| 17:28.11 | Dark_Wolf | OpenTokix: would that happen immediately after a clean install though? |
| 17:28.32 | Dark_Wolf | OpenTokix: My drive is still /dev/sda, was /dev/hda on Lenny though |
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| 17:28.52 | OpenTokix | Dark_Wolf: ok, did you not opt for UID's? |
| 17:28.55 | OpenTokix | UUIDS |
| 17:28.59 | Dark_Wolf | OpenTokix: I did not. |
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| 17:29.09 | Dark_Wolf | It's a new install, I didn't have the option |
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| 17:29.19 | OpenTokix | Dark_Wolf: you can always try edit boot-kline and try some other disk/partition |
| 17:29.22 | fbs | hmm, how to use pinning and aptitude search? |
| 17:29.29 | fbs | like aptitude search libreoffice, which is in sid |
| 17:29.35 | Dark_Wolf | OpenTokix: how would I do that? |
| 17:29.36 | fbs | sid is in my sources |
| 17:29.56 | OpenTokix | Dark_Wolf: when you get the grub menu, you press "e" |
| 17:30.13 | OpenTokix | Dark_Wolf: and then you can change the disk booting from hd0,0 to 0,1 or 1,0 or so. |
| 17:30.17 | Dark_Wolf | OpenTokix: I don't get a GRUB menu... GRUB doesn't load beyond "Operating system not found" |
| 17:30.33 | Dark_Wolf | unless it's bypassing the menu |
| 17:30.36 | karlpinc | fbs: The sane thing to do is wait until libreoffice gets into backports. |
| 17:30.42 | Dark_Wolf | in which case, can I hold shift to get the menu? |
| 17:30.49 | OpenTokix | Dark_Wolf: ok, then I am guessing its a bios thing? - try it |
| 17:30.59 | fbs | karlpinc: why, it want to try it |
| 17:31.05 | fbs | not yet as replacement for oo |
| 17:31.07 | karlpinc | fbs: If you're running sid you're expected to know how to do those sorts of things. |
| 17:31.15 | fbs | im am not |
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| 17:31.29 | karlpinc | fbs: Then sid should not be in your sources.lst. |
| 17:31.37 | joonas_ | hi friends |
| 17:31.37 | fbs | its pinned down |
| 17:31.43 | karlpinc | fbs: If you want to try backporting it yourself see the ssb factoid. |
| 17:31.49 | karlpinc | !tell fbs about ssb |
| 17:31.54 | Dark_Wolf | OpenTokix: no luck. straight to "GRUB read error - OS not found" |
| 17:32.02 | Dark_Wolf | So I doubt it's BIOS |
| 17:32.07 | Dark_Wolf | (I just reset that anyway) |
| 17:32.09 | OpenTokix | Dark_Wolf: you only have one hdd? |
| 17:32.12 | Dark_Wolf | Yes |
| 17:32.35 | joonas_ | there is an issue in my head since a long time -- multi lined regex in linux console ?? |
| 17:32.36 | OpenTokix | Dark_Wolf: And it is configured to boot on that? |
| 17:32.49 | fbs | karlpinc: lol, this machine had a old sources lsit |
| 17:32.52 | fbs | thats why it failed |
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| 17:33.03 | Dark_Wolf | Yes, since it is actually getting to GRUB, but GRUB fails |
| 17:33.04 | OpenTokix | Dark_Wolf: Very hard to pin point exactly without seeing the machine. But you can always boot on like Recovery Is Possible or some Live Debian-cd to get the layout of the hdd. |
| 17:33.30 | SmartViking | Any tips on how to get wireless working? |
| 17:33.31 | OpenTokix | Dark_Wolf: What partition scheme did you select? |
| 17:33.34 | Dark_Wolf | The layout is /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda5, / and swap, respectively |
| 17:33.48 | Dark_Wolf | All on one partition |
| 17:33.55 | Dark_Wolf | it's a 4 GB drive, anything else would be stupid |
| 17:34.12 | joonas_ | how to do a multi lined regex in the console like /^abc(\n d)e(f\n gh)i\n$/$1$2/ |
| 17:34.18 | karlpinc | !tell smartviking about wireless |
| 17:34.39 | OpenTokix | Dark_Wolf: Sounds like something is broken with the grub install |
| 17:34.57 | Dark_Wolf | OpenTokix: I've reinstalled it several times. This has happened with both drives I've tried it on too |
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| 17:35.09 | fbs | SmartViking: check dmesg / syslog for wifi driver problems |
| 17:35.13 | OpenTokix | Dark_Wolf: Strange |
| 17:35.16 | fbs | you might need a driver from nonfree |
| 17:35.26 | Dark_Wolf | OpenTokix: perhaps there is a problem with the Squeeze installer? |
| 17:35.27 | OpenTokix | Dark_Wolf: Are you installing grub on master boot record? |
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| 17:35.31 | Dark_Wolf | OpenTokix: yes |
| 17:35.33 | alexxio | i get this: |
| 17:35.35 | alexxio | (EE) NV: Kernel modesetting driver in use, refusing to load |
| 17:35.35 | alexxio | (EE) No devices detected. |
| 17:35.35 | alexxio | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.36 | OpenTokix | Dark_Wolf: no, I used it today and it worked just fine. |
| 17:35.38 | SmartViking | I haven't installed network-manager, I'll install it as I'm comfortable, and see if it works out of the box |
| 17:35.47 | OpenTokix | Dark_Wolf: no lvm or so? |
| 17:35.51 | Dark_Wolf | no |
| 17:36.01 | SmartViking | s/rtable/rtable\ with\ it/ |
| 17:36.10 | karlpinc | joonas_: It's a shell question. You may have better luck in #bash, say. There's ways to recognize \n in strings, say, $'foo\nbar', iirc. But I don't think it's portable, just bash. Better to use awk or something and give up on shell. |
| 17:36.12 | Ahoalton | Dark_Wolf is the man!!!! |
| 17:36.18 | Ahoalton | or wolf... lol |
| 17:36.21 | greedo | So grub2 appears to not work with my Dell PowerEdge 2650 |
| 17:36.22 | Dark_Wolf | >> |
| 17:36.22 | karlpinc | joonas_: man bash |
| 17:36.33 | greedo | I' |
| 17:36.50 | OpenTokix | Dark_Wolf: Well, then I do not know |
| 17:36.59 | greedo | I'm installing directly from a new Squeeze 6.0 i386 netinst CD |
| 17:37.18 | Dark_Wolf | greedo: at least it's not saying "Operating system not found" on you |
| 17:37.48 | karlpinc | greedo: How do you know it does not work? |
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| 17:38.27 | Ahoalton | anyone know of a good irc client for debian, it doesn't seem to come with one |
| 17:38.35 | Dark_Wolf | Ahoalton: Xchat |
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| 17:38.40 | karlpinc | Ahoalton: People seem to like irssi. |
| 17:38.49 | SmartViking | Ahoalton: weechat-ncurses is nice |
| 17:38.55 | Ahoalton | but it says you have to compile it Dark_Wolf and I don't know how to do that |
| 17:39.00 | Ahoalton | and irrsi is horrible |
| 17:39.05 | Dark_Wolf | Ahoalton: have you tried installing it from the synaptic? |
| 17:39.06 | sney | Ahoalton: xchat is available in apt, aptitude install xchat |
| 17:39.07 | greedo | karlpinc: It say "Unable to install GRUB" |
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| 17:39.19 | karlpinc | greedo: In the mbr? |
| 17:39.24 | Ahoalton | If I could figure out how to compile in monodevelop I could run Icechat like I do on windows |
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| 17:40.03 | sney | irc clients - especially older ones - tend to work in Wine as well, but xchat is easily available so you may as well try that one first. |
| 17:40.48 | greedo | karlpinc: Executing grub-install /dev/sda failed |
| 17:40.53 | sney | Under Debian you generally don't need to compile anything except in special cases. Always search the package manager first. there's tens of thousands of packages in there |
| 17:40.56 | karlpinc | When dmesg reports # of sectors of a ide drive, is the sector size 512B? |
| 17:41.21 | greedo | karlpinc: yes, I |
| 17:41.32 | greedo | karlpinc: yes, I'm installing to the mbr |
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| 17:42.14 | steampunkey | hello peeps. is there a way to download debs, just like i do source files using --download-only? |
| 17:42.21 | karlpinc | greedo: You're sure sda is right? You could also try '(hd0,0)' -- at least with grub1. I've not looked at grub2 yet so I don't know how much help I can be. |
| 17:42.45 | Dark_Wolf | So, anyone have any ideas on why I'm getting "GRUB Read Error - Operating system not found"? |
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| 17:44.33 | greedo | I was running lenny and installed grub2 from sid, grub died on reboot. I decided to install squeeze since grub was now dead. Now I'm stuck in the installer for squeeze |
| 17:44.36 | themill | steampunkey: "aptitude download foo" |
| 17:45.25 | greedo | granted this machine is ~8 years old |
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| 17:45.54 | greedo | i may need to look into grub-legacy |
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| 17:47.49 | SmartViking | Is debian 6 squeeze? |
| 17:47.52 | SmartViking | Or lenny? |
| 17:47.59 | Maarten | squeeze |
| 17:48.04 | greedo | squeeze |
| 17:48.11 | SmartViking | ok ty |
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| 17:48.54 | karlpinc | greedo: Old stuff should work better. :-( |
| 17:48.56 | riot | can i run a 64bit virtualbox VM on a 32bit kernel? (CPU is a core2quad) |
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| 17:49.57 | cheche | Is here the right place to ask about partman and preseed.cfg files? |
| 17:50.11 | karlpinc | cheche: Just ask and find out. |
| 17:50.24 | riot | 64 bit shit sucks. Thus android sucks, because it can only be built on 64bit platforms. Whoo! Crazy! |
| 17:50.28 | Dark_Wolf | So, I reinstalled GRUB on /dev/sda, but I'm still getting "GRUB Read Error - Operating System not found" |
| 17:50.30 | ZykoticK9 | riot, if your CPU support Virtualization and you turn the option on in Vbox they you should yes |
| 17:50.38 | karlpinc | cheche: But it's not polite to cross post both here and on otfc. |
| 17:50.44 | daemonkeeper | riot: Should be possible, since Virtualbox uses binary translation. Don't expect this to be fast. |
| 17:51.00 | cheche | karlpinc: I did not know withone is the right channel |
| 17:51.03 | riot | ZykoticK9: i tried yesterday (dunno about hardware virt being turned on) and the whole machine STUCK after the grml64-kernel took over :( |
| 17:51.24 | Spida | riot: filed a bugreport? |
| 17:51.27 | karlpinc | cheche: Most of the people who know things are in both. |
| 17:51.29 | cheche | karlpinc: is freenode the right channel? |
| 17:51.31 | riot | daemonkeeper: hmhm, if it won't crash my box again, i can live with that - i just need to compile stupid android 2.3+ |
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| 17:51.43 | karlpinc | cheche: Does not matter. |
| 17:51.57 | daemonkeeper | riot: In Virtualbox you can tweak IO chipsets and so on. Try another one. |
| 17:52.02 | ZykoticK9 | riot, in the VMs settings - System / Acceleration tab / Enable VT-x/AMD-V needs to be checked |
| 17:52.07 | cheche | karlpinc: ok, sorry |
| 17:52.47 | riot | Spida: not much to enter... i'll see, gotta reboot the box anyway, since last tries with 64-bit host-kernel this debian has gone nuts... |
| 17:53.01 | riot | ZykoticK9: if i don't, the host crashes?? |
| 17:53.06 | alexxio | look at this please, after upgrade to squeeze my webcam doenst work no more with streamer http://pastebin.com/rch7ndK6 |
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| 17:53.15 | riot | i think i made VT-x default... |
| 17:53.23 | riot | yes, its on. |
| 17:54.21 | riot | i'll try. If i'm not responding anymore in a minute, virtualbox has killed my machine again :/ |
| 17:54.22 | cheche | i am looking for a rule on partman-auto recipe to resize a partition with NTFS and use 20GB to install debian |
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| 17:54.50 | cheche | http://debian.ues.edu.sv/compartidos/neozerosv/ciberues/partman-auto-recipe.txt |
| 17:55.16 | cheche | but all the examples asume that you use the whole partition for one OS |
| 17:55.21 | riot | erm, i just read in dmesg: "warning: `VirtualBox' uses 32-bit capabilities (legacy support in use)" |
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| 17:56.49 | cusco | hi |
| 17:57.18 | cusco | how can I trough cli check whether I setill have PCI or PCI-E slots available? |
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| 17:57.40 | riot | oh, behold, the kernel booted, and fscked up my audio card |
| 17:57.43 | wonderwal- | hi what's the best way to run linux 2.6.35 on squeeze? |
| 17:57.43 | riot | but only that |
| 17:58.01 | joonas_ | karlpinc: awk will be fine , can you give me an example? |
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| 17:58.16 | alexxio | how can i take an available list of kernel to install?i want to go back to a previuos one |
| 17:58.34 | riot | now it ate my boot-harddisk |
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| 17:58.42 | riot | load -> 14 |
| 17:58.45 | riot | woowsers |
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| 17:59.02 | riot | Good, well proven technology.. !<3 |
| 17:59.12 | riot | 64bit sucks. Really hard. |
| 17:59.39 | jelly-home | riot: do you want some cheese with that whine? |
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| 18:00.02 | karlpinc | msg judd versions kernel |
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| 18:00.14 | riot | jelly-home: yes, thanks. Good whine. *sigh* |
| 18:00.16 | jelly-home | karlpinc: try just "kernels" |
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| 18:00.56 | SmartViking | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:01.53 | KFive | Hey, folks. Is there anyone in here I can talk with about having a Debian presence at a con in St. Louis in May? |
| 18:02.09 | karlpinc | joonas_: Not offhand. One good choice is to use pcre instead of classic or extended regexp. But that's not really something you do outside a scripting language, iirc. Sorry, no time to rtfm for you. |
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| 18:02.38 | sney | KFive: you'd probably have better luck with a mailing list |
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| 18:04.09 | karlpinc | !tell wonderwal- about make-kpkg |
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| 18:04.20 | karlpinc | wonderwal-: Why would you want to do that? |
| 18:05.15 | wonderwal- | karlpinc: something in 2.6.35 i need |
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| 18:05.40 | Ambagasdowa | .... |
| 18:06.09 | sney | ellipsis |
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| 18:07.51 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 18:07.52 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.37-1-686 (2.6.37-1); wheezy: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
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| 18:08.24 | jhutchins | I don't think .35 even made it into unstable, it was pretty buggy. |
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| 18:09.27 | melonar | yeah, i would use 2.6.37-1 |
| 18:09.32 | wonderwal- | so what should i use then? i need minimum 2.6.35 since it distributed network traffic across all cores |
| 18:09.39 | jhutchins | 37 has it's problems too. |
| 18:09.47 | wonderwal- | and i need stability |
| 18:09.57 | jhutchins | wonderwal-: Ah, that's not something that's going to be in a module is it? |
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| 18:10.36 | wonderwal- | nope |
| 18:10.38 | jelly-home | wonderwal-: how much traffic do you expect and how many cores? |
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| 18:11.11 | jelly-home | wonderwal-: I mean, do you know as a fact you're hitting that exact bottleneck already? |
| 18:11.13 | wonderwal- | jelly-home: its not about traffic quantity, its about appservers calling epoll() in multiple threads being able to use cores efficiently |
| 18:11.40 | wonderwal- | i need this feature, im positive, im not chasing something i dont need |
| 18:11.43 | jelly-home | oh, it's epoll(), not really network |
| 18:11.57 | wonderwal- | theyre related |
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| 18:12.58 | jelly-home | well. See if that packaged 2.6.37-1-* is good enough for you. If the feature you're looking for is a new one, chances are it might not be enabled in .config at all |
| 18:13.31 | jelly-home | as for stability, ... don't expect too much |
| 18:13.32 | wonderwal- | so 2.6.37-1 is stable? |
| 18:13.44 | wonderwal- | i need something stable |
| 18:13.50 | jelly-home | I need a pony. |
| 18:13.55 | sney | lol |
| 18:14.14 | jelly-home | it's new enough for it to be hard to say whether it's stable |
| 18:14.17 | wonderwal- | so the kernel stable branch isnt stable? |
| 18:14.34 | jelly-home | wonderwal-: what stable branch? :-) |
| 18:14.38 | jelly-home | !kernel |
| 18:14.40 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20110221, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.38-rc5-git6, mainline 2.6: 2.6.38-rc5, stable 2.6.37: 2.6.37.1 , stable 2.6.36: 2.6.36.4 , longterm 2.6.35: 2.6.35.11 , stable 2.6.35: 2.6.35.9 , longterm 2.6.34: 2.6.34.8 , stable 2.6.34: 2.6.34.7 , longterm 2.6.32: 2.6.32.29 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.28 , longterm 2.6.27: 2.6.27.58 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.57 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.11 |
| 18:14.56 | jelly-home | wonderwal-: onte the abundance of "stable" and "longterm" trees. |
| 18:15.18 | wonderwal- | so i should use 2.6.35.11 then? |
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| 18:15.32 | homie | i got back to lenny man bah |
| 18:15.36 | sney | What Torvalds & co. deem to be stable may not actually be Stable by Debian's (or anyone else's) definition. your mileage may vary |
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| 18:16.12 | wonderwal- | mission. guess i'll have to test. |
| 18:16.16 | jelly-home | wonderwal-: well, if I were in your shoes, I'd investigate the longterm trees. |
| 18:16.32 | wonderwal- | jelly-home: then 2.6.35.11 looks like what i need |
| 18:16.40 | wonderwal- | to investigate |
| 18:17.01 | melonar | homie: how is your logo affairs? |
| 18:17.08 | homie | got it back now |
| 18:17.08 | jelly-home | I _think_ 2.6.37 is planned to go as longterm as well, even though dpkg the bot doesn't know it yet |
| 18:17.21 | homie | melonar: don't know why it disappears in squeeze |
| 18:17.34 | melonar | homie: how did you fix it? |
| 18:17.34 | homie | melonar: i'm back on lenny now |
| 18:17.38 | jelly-home | also, 2.6.27 and .32 and .34 are not updated any more I think |
| 18:17.47 | homie | melonar: reinstalled the older lenny release anew |
| 18:17.51 | wonderwal- | ok |
| 18:17.53 | melonar | homie: haha, awww. only because of the stupid logo you went back to lenny? |
| 18:18.01 | homie | melonar: jep |
| 18:18.07 | melonar | you are funny |
| 18:18.10 | homie | lol |
| 18:18.13 | homie | i think so |
| 18:18.14 | melonar | :) |
| 18:18.25 | jelly-home | gotta keep your priorities straight |
| 18:18.58 | homie | something really feels unstable in squeeze just dont' know what yet |
| 18:19.04 | karlpinc | does not like spacefun either, but am too lazy to even think about making any changes |
| 18:19.15 | abrotman | karlpinc: it's pretty easy to change .. sad excuse :) |
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| 18:20.31 | KB1JWQ | I forget the syntax to query dpkg; how do I ask which repos provide procmail? |
| 18:20.40 | KB1JWQ | (the bot, not the package manager) |
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| 18:20.46 | KB1JWQ | apt-cache policy returned nothing. |
| 18:20.52 | jelly-home | KB1JWQ: /msg judd versions procmail |
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| 18:20.59 | jhutchins | jelly-home: New terminology on those kernel versions - where can I find out about it? |
| 18:21.24 | jelly-home | jhutchins: I'm trying hard not to be evil and say LKML |
| 18:21.35 | abrotman | KB1JWQ: are you sure any do on your system? |
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| 18:21.47 | jelly-home | jhutchins: lemme see if I can dig up a lwn article |
| 18:21.51 | KB1JWQ | ...and it's already installed. Apparently I'm stupid. |
| 18:21.59 | abrotman | typical staff answer! |
| 18:22.01 | abrotman | hides |
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| 18:22.59 | jhutchins | jelly-home: So those are kernel.org terms, not debian packages/repos? |
| 18:23.15 | karlpinc | abrotman: First I have to actually upgrade to squeeze. :-) |
| 18:23.17 | jelly-home | jhutchins: http://lwn.net/Articles/418580/ (from http://www.google.com/search?q=longterm+kernels+site%3A.lwn.net) |
| 18:23.23 | jelly-home | jhutchins: yes. |
| 18:23.26 | tharkun | KB1JWQ: kline the prick ;P |
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| 18:23.37 | abrotman | karlpinc: oh .. there is that |
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| 18:23.55 | karlpinc | abrotman: I've done some boxes, but not "mine". |
| 18:23.58 | KB1JWQ | tharkun: More fun to just roll the StafferVan to his house. :-p |
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| 18:24.06 | jelly-home | jhutchins: the bot merely has features to be able to look up stuff from kernel.org. It also does slashdot headlines! |
| 18:24.36 | abrotman | suspects the StafferVan is very far away |
| 18:24.49 | jhutchins | Ok, I thought I'd missed a change in the kernel packaging policy for Debian or something. |
| 18:25.09 | tharkun | Which smartphone has the best support on Debian? |
| 18:25.11 | jhutchins | So judd's "kernels" list is still what's pre-packaged. |
| 18:25.28 | jhutchins | tharkun: To run debian on the phone, or just to sync it? |
| 18:25.28 | jelly-home | jhutchins: nah, the context was finding wonderwal- a "stable" kernel with features specific for >= 2.6.35 |
| 18:25.44 | tharkun | jhutchins: to sync it. It is a company isue one |
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| 18:25.55 | tharkun | it is a no-no hack |
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| 18:26.05 | wonderwal- | yep wonderwal- needs a "stable" kernel |
| 18:26.14 | abrotman | tharkun: just get one of those android phones, sync it all to gmail |
| 18:26.29 | jelly-home | wonderwal-: it's such a ridiculously overloaded term |
| 18:26.34 | wonderwal- | i know |
| 18:26.42 | wonderwal- | theres no such thing as 100% stable :) |
| 18:26.59 | wonderwal- | there could be one bug somewhere affecting 1% of all users, is it stable then :) |
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| 18:27.15 | jelly-home | except when you're in the 1% |
| 18:27.17 | mngrif | stability, like beauty, is in the eys of the beholder. |
| 18:27.29 | tharkun | abrotman: i thought about that option. But there is some legal stuff on gmail's terms of use that it is also a no.no |
| 18:27.29 | wonderwal- | i said is it |
| 18:27.31 | wonderwal- | :) |
| 18:27.38 | melonar | hmmm, dpkg(bot) wont list its debian specific commands :( |
| 18:27.40 | jelly-home | 'swhy my boss still doesn't let me install ext4 anywhere |
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| 18:27.46 | melonar | stubborn thing |
| 18:28.04 | tharkun | melonar: dpgk-bot is an infobot. Nothing related to the package |
| 18:28.29 | abrotman | tharkun: you can still get the android, and sync it to the OS .. though i prefer to gmail mine |
| 18:28.37 | abrotman | tharkun: if you want, i can try it |
| 18:28.39 | melonar | tharkun: this one has some commands added |
| 18:28.43 | melonar | additional ones |
| 18:29.17 | agilevic | Does X running nv driver will utilize more memory than native nVida driver or nouveau? |
| 18:29.25 | tharkun | abrotman: let me shop around. Any recomendations about a specific piece of hw |
| 18:29.54 | tharkun | agilevic: about the same |
| 18:29.54 | jhutchins | agilevic: Not significantly different. |
| 18:30.07 | abrotman | tharkun: i don't even know which country you're in or which providers (probably better suited for -offtopic anyway) |
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| 18:31.42 | agilevic | tharkun/jhutchins: thanks, I am trying to figure out how to make system work with 256MB and 1920x1200 resolution. chokes up badly running xfce4, chromium, icedove, skype. icedove particulary bad it seems. |
| 18:32.13 | jhutchins | Mozilla software is notoriously bloated. |
| 18:32.55 | jhutchins | skype's gonna give you fits with 256m as well. |
| 18:33.02 | tharkun | agilevic: ok. At those levels of ram you need to think of your system as an embeded device. That which is not needed should go |
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| 18:33.25 | tharkun | also the more stuff you have running on cli the better |
| 18:34.23 | tharkun | lxde should help also it seems it runs better on less resources than xfce4 |
| 18:34.28 | agilevic | tharkun/jhutchins: understood though this used to be a windows me box, behaving somewhat better under similar use |
| 18:34.35 | karlpinc | agilevic: I suppose you could try emdebian to have everything stripped and without man pages. YMMV. |
| 18:35.22 | jhutchins | karlpinc: manpages wouldn't affect RAM. |
| 18:35.52 | tharkun | agilevic: take a look at ps aux and everything that is not absolutely essential should go |
| 18:35.54 | agilevic | remembers running Debian with FVWM on 486. |
| 18:36.07 | jhutchins | agilevic: There are probably better mail clients for your situation. Console clients include alpine and mutt. |
| 18:36.32 | karlpinc | jhutchins: True, but stripping will. |
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| 18:37.05 | jhutchins | agilevic: Use top to see what's using RAM. |
| 18:37.21 | agilevic | is looking at htop, seeing X taking 20% memory |
| 18:37.41 | jhutchins | agilevic: That's not the driver. |
| 18:37.43 | tharkun | agilevic: it could go, but then it can make also your life misserable ;P |
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| 18:37.52 | agilevic | hehe |
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| 18:38.47 | tharkun | agilevic: take a trip to inittab an see what you absolutely need and what you don't |
| 18:39.15 | agilevic | jhutchins: next up is chromium browser at 11%-18% per each tab, skype takes 13.9% |
| 18:39.47 | jhutchins | agilevic: You'll need swap. |
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| 18:40.09 | jhutchins | agilevic: Don't run skype when you aren't using it. |
| 18:40.30 | agilevic | jhutchins: conversely swap shows 0/0 in htop |
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| 18:40.33 | tharkun | agilevic: you can switch from gdm to xdm it uses less ram |
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| 18:41.38 | tharkun | agilevic: there is something wrong with X on your machine. It should take only about 5-7 % total |
| 18:41.47 | phsi | dpkg-shlibdeps: error: no dependency information found for ... <- How can I make debuild ignore that? I couldn't care less |
| 18:42.09 | agilevic | tharkun: I should agree but not sure why |
| 18:42.26 | jhutchins | In fact, why run a ?dm at all? |
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| 18:42.34 | agilevic | tharkun: I am running antiX distro |
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| 18:43.08 | agilevic | jhutchins: well, the box has to be reasonable user friendly so my wife can use it for browsing, email and skype |
| 18:43.12 | tharkun | agilevic: Haven't tried it. I am talking about a debian lenny one that is actually running at this momment |
| 18:44.01 | tharkun | agilevic: Fix your X then everything should fall in place. AFAIK you might need a lighter mua like claws |
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| 18:44.33 | agilevic | tharkun: seen claws - ok, but cannot compose html mail |
| 18:44.53 | agilevic | tharkun: what can be done about X |
| 18:45.17 | jhutchins | !based on debian |
| 18:45.17 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 18:45.22 | tharkun | agilevic: IIRC it can. But i don't remember if you need a plugin for that |
| 18:45.22 | agilevic | sadly admits his Linux skills were better in the nineties, now mostly savvy in userland |
| 18:45.56 | tharkun | agilevic: switch to debian which has more sensible defaults. And it is indeed better documented |
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| 18:46.20 | jhutchins | agilevic: Very dangerous to go messing about on the system level following advice from a different distribution. |
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| 18:49.27 | agilevic | what resource would be recommend for current linux system administration? |
| 18:49.37 | agilevic | book or site |
| 18:51.32 | agilevic | is reading about emdebian |
| 18:51.49 | melonar | agilevic: have a look at http://tldp.org/ - most of it is quite old but still useful |
| 18:52.09 | tharkun | agilevic: regular debian flavor will suffice with 256MB and a sensible processor |
| 18:52.28 | tharkun | Do not expect to host google on it. |
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| 18:52.59 | omes | tharkun: he's looking for resources to learn obviously... |
| 18:53.03 | omes | agilevic: |
| 18:53.06 | omes | oops.. |
| 18:53.14 | agilevic | tharkun: just need basic workstation, accelerated nVidia driver would be a nice bonus |
| 18:53.39 | omes | agilevic: the man pages are quite good, but just to learn in general you could google whatever topic you're interested in |
| 18:53.42 | tharkun | agilevic: regular debian with a little editing here and there should behave ok |
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| 18:55.04 | agilevic | omes: kind of to relearn. I used to be a linux admin back in '94 or so but have become developer. I can hold my own in server side but get lost in those modern desktop environments |
| 18:55.30 | agilevic | omes: in the sense of making them work as well as they can |
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| 18:56.19 | agilevic | tharkun: what's your take on smxi script? |
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| 18:59.06 | tharkun | agilevic: Sorry i've never heard of it |
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| 18:59.47 | agilevic | tharkun: in case you are worndering http://smxi.org/ |
| 19:00.52 | Dark_Wolf | Anyone have any idea why my machine displays "GRUB Read Error - Operating system not found" on boot? It's a clean install, and the partition is bootable. |
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| 19:01.22 | cahoot | partition? |
| 19:01.27 | tharkun | agilevic: nice, i allready read the url but i think i like to do that manually so i know how to get out of a tight spot when i run into it |
| 19:01.29 | cahoot | whare did you install grub? |
| 19:01.37 | cahoot | where |
| 19:01.43 | Dark_Wolf | MBR |
| 19:02.02 | tharkun | Dark_Wolf: Squeeze or wheezy or sid? |
| 19:02.05 | Dark_Wolf | squeeze |
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| 19:05.31 | agilevic | feels Emdebian may not be the best choice for a modern if slim desktop box |
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| 19:06.34 | jhutchins | Dark_Wolf: Whatever it's using for device ID's, it's misidentified the boot device. |
| 19:06.45 | jhutchins | Dark_Wolf: Probably need to use the grub shell to find /boot. |
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| 19:06.52 | Dark_Wolf | jhutchins: how do I correct it? |
| 19:06.59 | jhutchins | Dark_Wolf: Anything you're not telling us like encryption or raid? |
| 19:07.03 | Dark_Wolf | Nope |
| 19:07.12 | Dark_Wolf | I can't get to the GRUB menu, but I can get into the normal shell from rescue cd |
| 19:07.15 | Dark_Wolf | Want me to boot that up? |
| 19:07.18 | Noor_eg | hello how can i install quanta plus at my pc |
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| 19:09.37 | jhutchins | Dark_Wolf: Use the grub shell and the find command to identify the device that grub thinks is /boot. If you use something else like a CD, it might not label it the same. |
| 19:09.52 | jhutchins | ,versions quanta |
| 19:09.53 | judd | Package quanta on i386 -- lenny: 4:3.5.9-3 |
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| 19:09.59 | Dark_Wolf | jhutchins: I can't use the grub shell |
| 19:10.07 | jhutchins | Interesting. Probably not maintained. |
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| 19:12.24 | hamush | hi, I'm trying to get various debian client apps to validate a certain self-signed ssl certificate a server of mine is using. can I just pop the certificate in /etc/ssl/certs and have it considered valid? |
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| 19:14.00 | jhutchins | Noor_eg: Quanta isn't supported in kde4, which is what squeeze has. You can try installing the lenny package - you'll need kde3-compat as well, or you can try porting the package from lenny like you would with a ssb. |
| 19:14.27 | jhutchins | Noor_eg: kde4 has "komposer" which sounds like it's not quite up to what Quanta does. |
| 19:14.49 | jhutchins | Dark_Wolf: Why can't you use the grub shell? |
| 19:14.52 | hamush | another way to ask my question is: is it possible to trust a self-signed ssl certificate system wide without creating a new CA? |
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| 19:15.06 | Dark_Wolf | jhutchins: because GRUB's menu is not accessible. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RuBRNgcwfo |
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| 19:15.39 | jhutchins | Dark_Wolf: So it's the BIOS that's giving the error message, not grub? |
| 19:15.56 | Dark_Wolf | It's GRUB, but it throws the error before the menu loads |
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| 19:17.38 | jhutchins | !tell Dark_Wolf about grub errors |
| 19:17.53 | jhutchins | !tell Dark_Wolf about reinstall grub |
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| 19:18.10 | ces200 | !netbook |
| 19:18.10 | dpkg | Netbooks are small energy efficient laptops, some of which are sold with Linux pre-installed. Sites dedicated to Linux on laptops can be of help, ask me about <laptop>. See also <acerone>, <clickpad>, <eeepc>, <lt1000>, <poulsbo>. |
| 19:18.18 | Dark_Wolf | So it's a stage 1 error |
| 19:18.43 | ajikeshi | howdy... need help with git.. mine seems to be broken... |
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| 19:18.48 | eli_ | goodday |
| 19:18.57 | ajikeshi | git pull |
| 19:18.58 | ajikeshi | fatal: Not a git repository (or any parent up to mount parent ) |
| 19:18.58 | ajikeshi | Stopping at filesystem boundary (GIT_DISCOVERY_ACROSS_FILESYSTEM not set). |
| 19:18.58 | ajikeshi | ^^ |
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| 19:19.16 | ajikeshi | hum |
| 19:19.23 | agilevic | I have 2GB swap partition yet swapon -s shows nothing... |
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| 19:19.37 | Dark_Wolf | jhutchins: I've already run grub-install |
| 19:20.05 | jhutchins | Dark_Wolf: Don't tell me, tell the machine. It's the one that thinks you haven't. |
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| 19:20.22 | Dark_Wolf | No error reported :/ |
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| 19:22.39 | Dark_Wolf | jhutchins: device.map shows (hd0) /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST34321A_GUB02498 |
| 19:22.46 | Dark_Wolf | I assume that's right |
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| 19:31.08 | Noor_eg | jhutchins: ty |
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| 19:36.26 | froggyman | wonders how much longer it will take aptitude to resolve dependencies |
| 19:36.39 | abrotman | doing what? |
| 19:37.00 | Dark_Wolf | jhutchins: no other suggestions? |
| 19:37.26 | froggyman | I ran "aptitude update" followed by upgrade; Now its sitting at "Resolving dependencies... ; open: 104035; closed: 39825; defer: 140; conflict: 56" |
| 19:37.50 | froggyman | well, the open and closed numbers keep going up... |
| 19:37.56 | mutante | note to self: next time, remember the reason for "sh: getcwd() failed: No such file or directory" when using apt-get ...duuh |
| 19:37.57 | jhutchins | Dark_Wolf: Sorry, I don't know enough about your system to be of any real help. |
| 19:38.09 | Dark_Wolf | mmkay |
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| 19:38.30 | jhutchins | Dark_Wolf: It's likely that grub did not install properly to the mbr of the boot device, but that's just a guess and you insist it did, so... |
| 19:38.56 | Dark_Wolf | Let's assume it didn't, what do I do? |
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| 19:39.59 | jhutchins | Dark_Wolf: Follow the grub reinstall directions. If you missed them, /msg dpkg grub reinstall |
| 19:40.28 | themill | froggyman: if this is for lenny->squeeze, then use apt-get instead. |
| 19:40.40 | IanWizard | I just bootstrapped a system, now I'm trying to set the timezone. I used tzselect, and I changed /etc/timezone, but no effect, even after reboot. |
| 19:41.07 | doublep | hi. after installing squeeze on new pc i get notifications like "it is recommended to update your system: there are 7 updates available" in kde. how do i find and disable whatever program does this? |
| 19:41.08 | froggyman | themill, nope. I'm on testing/wheezy |
| 19:41.09 | abrotman | IanWizard: grep UTC /etc/default/rcS ? |
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| 19:41.26 | mutante | hah, after all the "why do you still use apt-get, aptitude is way cool"-hints i got, it's refreshing to see advice the other way around :) |
| 19:41.46 | abrotman | mutante: only for the dist-upgrade .. you should still use aptitude otherwise |
| 19:41.49 | IanWizard | abrotman, yes, my system clock is UTC, and that's what I'm getting right now (as the time) |
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| 19:42.15 | mutante | abrotman: k,alright |
| 19:43.22 | froggyman | abrotman, Should I kill the 'aptitude upgrade'? |
| 19:43.28 | abrotman | ? |
| 19:43.53 | froggyman | Its still running, and has been for over an hour... |
| 19:44.02 | froggyman | Should I just let it continue, or stop it? |
| 19:44.04 | abrotman | kill it .. use apt-get ? |
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| 19:44.20 | abrotman | if the dependency resolution is too complex, aptitude will barf eventually |
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| 19:44.21 | mutante | doublep: on Gnome its update-manager-gnome, so wild guess update-manager-kde? |
| 19:44.54 | doublep | mutante: should it show in 'ps ax' output? |
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| 19:44.59 | themill | froggyman: it probably also needs to be a full-upgrade rather than an upgrade. |
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| 19:45.34 | doublep | mutante: no such package, checked in aptitude |
| 19:45.35 | mutante | doublep: i can see "update-notifier" in ps aux |
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| 19:45.44 | froggyman | themill, Would you recommend I try full-upgrade with aptitude then? Or to use apt-get? |
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| 19:46.13 | themill | froggyman: a user of wheezy at this stage in the development cycle should be able to make that call himself ;) |
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| 19:46.43 | jelly-home | "whatever works for you" |
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| 19:46.48 | doublep | mutante: nothing here :( |
| 19:46.56 | froggyman | themill, Alright. I'll play around with it. Can't learn to fix anything if I don't break it first |
| 19:46.56 | jelly-home | ,versions libreoffice |
| 19:46.57 | judd | Package libreoffice on i386 -- sid: 1:3.3.1~rc2-1 |
| 19:47.15 | mutante | doublep: uhm, no idea then, always been Gnome |
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| 19:48.30 | doublep | thanks anyway. i'm trying to find something with debtags |
| 19:48.37 | mutante | doublep: i just see how people ask "Is there any application for kde similar to this? " ;p |
| 19:49.05 | Dark_Wolf | Anyone else know what might cause a grub read error? |
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| 19:49.37 | mutante | doublep: update-notifier-kde - Update notifier for the KDE Plasma Desktop |
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| 19:50.01 | doublep | eh, wonder how i missed it |
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| 19:50.32 | doublep | uninstalled |
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| 19:50.47 | doublep | thanks for help :) |
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| 19:51.04 | mutante | doublep: #kde |
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| 19:51.31 | rvr777 | hi everyone.do you know why can't I find linux-image-xen-amd64 in squeeze? |
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| 19:53.20 | mutante | rvr777: hmm, it should be http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/linux-image-xen-amd64 |
| 19:53.22 | IanWizard | Anybody? I changed the timezone in /etc/timezone, but it didn't take effect, even after reboot. |
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| 19:53.57 | mutante | rvr777: but i also cant find it with apt-cache, at least on a 32bit machine |
| 19:54.36 | rvr777 | mutante: yeap, I search the website too but I can't find it with apt-cache |
| 19:54.49 | rvr777 | mutante: and uname says it is x86_64 |
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| 20:01.56 | mutante | rvr777: yes, it seems weird, i can wget http://ftp.hosteurope.de/pub/linux/debian/dists/Debian6.0/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz , unpack the .gz and find it right there |
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| 20:02.58 | mutante | Package: linux-image-xen-amd64 Provides: linux-latest-modules-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 ... |
| 20:03.00 | wad | I've got openssh-server installed on my debian box, but I don't see the tool to generate a self-signed X.509 certificate. Does that come with openssh-server, or do I need some other package? |
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| 20:04.07 | noah0504_ | Hey everyone. |
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| 20:04.36 | Dark_Wolf | Does anyone know why LILO would complain about a malformed root in fstab? It seems to not like UUIDs |
| 20:04.41 | mutante | rvr777: there it is: http://ftp.hosteurope.de/pub/linux/debian/pool/main/l/linux-latest-2.6/linux-image-xen-amd64_2.6.32+29_amd64.deb |
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| 20:04.55 | rvr777 | mutante: thanks |
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| 20:05.08 | mutante | rvr777: and i wonder why apt-cache cant find it,, shrug |
| 20:05.42 | rvr777 | mutante: yeap, strange |
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| 20:06.59 | eli_ | I love debian |
| 20:07.12 | eli_ | and hopefully debian loves me |
| 20:07.23 | rvr777 | mutante: taking a look at the files in /bin, they seem to be 32-bits (at least "file" reports as 32-bits executables) |
| 20:07.45 | rvr777 | mutante: I think someone installed a 64-bit kernel on the system |
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| 20:08.25 | rvr777 | mutante: more strange is that the amd64 kernel does show up in a search with apt-cache |
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| 20:08.40 | rvr777 | mutante: but not the xen-amd64 |
| 20:08.40 | sney | 64-bit kernel and 32-bit userland is not unheard of as a configuration |
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| 20:08.57 | sney | on some architectures it's faster, though I doubt it makes a difference on x86 |
| 20:09.35 | rvr777 | sney: but why does the amd64 kernel appear on a apt-cache search and xen-amd64 does not? |
| 20:10.31 | sney | my guess would be you've got the amd64 kernel installed, so apt-cache knows about it that way, but otherwise only looks at the i386 section |
| 20:10.40 | abrotman | rvr777: you sure that's for your arch ? |
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| 20:11.58 | rvr777 | sney: trying to manually install the xen-amd64, dpkg tells me: package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386) |
| 20:12.11 | abrotman | takes his beer |
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| 20:12.14 | rvr777 | but I have no problem installing the amd64 kernel from apt-get |
| 20:12.36 | sney | you could go even more manual, and just unpack the .deb with ar x |
| 20:12.56 | abrotman | it's quite possible that there is an issue using a 64bit kernel with a 32bit userland when xen is enabled ? |
| 20:12.56 | sney | and place the files where they go, inform Grub that they exist, and give it a whirl |
| 20:13.10 | sney | only one way to find out! |
| 20:13.31 | abrotman | yay, make the system non-bootable! |
| 20:14.16 | rvr777 | yes, I would not want that :) |
| 20:14.44 | rvr777 | since I'm conntected remotely |
| 20:15.15 | rvr777 | I'll try to get someone to install a 64-bit system |
| 20:15.22 | rvr777 | thanks for the help :) |
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| 20:17.46 | mutante | rvr777: relaying this from elsewhere: "but you are supposed to use: xen-linux-system-2.6-xen-686 - Xen system with Linux 2.6 for modern PCs (meta-package), afaik" |
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| 20:19.32 | rvr777 | mutante: it also only show the 686 version :( |
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| 20:23.08 | streuner | dpkg, beer abrotman |
| 20:23.08 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Green Flash IPA for abrotman |
| 20:23.13 | mutante | rvr777: cause of the 32bit binaries in userland |
| 20:24.03 | streuner | abrotman: whatever this Green Flash IPA is, you NEED something better to smoke :-) |
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| 20:24.47 | abrotman | streuner: had it before |
| 20:24.58 | streuner | :-) |
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| 20:25.28 | rvr777 | mutante: I'll try to get someone to install a 64-bits system then, thanks :D |
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| 20:40.09 | streuner | needs to backport oss4-base in one month, what a mess |
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| 20:40.58 | streuner | 's laptop only works with OSS4, and the package in sid is outdated... |
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| 20:41.54 | insano | How can I setup virtual IPs with NetworkManager? I don't want to use /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:42.07 | Hal9000 | is it possible to shrink a partition by freing space at the beginning instead of the end? |
| 20:42.31 | apollo13 | insano: virtual ips or interfaces? |
| 20:42.46 | streuner | Hal9000: buh, what kind of FS? |
| 20:43.17 | streuner | and why do you care if its at the beginning? |
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| 20:43.29 | Hal9000 | streuner: ext2 i think, it's the /boot partition |
| 20:43.41 | Hal9000 | streuner: i need to shrink it at the beginning, otherwise grub2 won't install |
| 20:43.48 | insano | apollo13, Yes |
| 20:43.50 | Hal9000 | am upgrading from debian 5.0 to 6.0 |
| 20:44.03 | insano | apollo13, But with NetworkManager... |
| 20:44.17 | streuner | Hal9000: a mbr isnt care, if you want boot at some OS at the beginning or at the end... |
| 20:44.26 | apollo13 | insano: you have to answer my question, ips or interfaces |
| 20:44.40 | insano | ««apollo13»»: apollo13, yes |
| 20:44.52 | apollo13 | insano: you can't answer an or question with yes |
| 20:45.01 | apollo13 | you need to answer with one of the options |
| 20:45.02 | streuner | Hal9000: grub just say, Hey, just use this to boot... |
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| 20:45.13 | insano | Virtual, sorry |
| 20:45.25 | Hal9000 | streuner: grub2 complains about not enough gap after mbr so it won't install itself |
| 20:45.38 | Hal9000 | i need space right after the mbr, which is the beginning |
| 20:45.54 | apollo13 | insano: ⦠okay: you can add more than one ip to an interface with network manager, but you can't create custom interfaces |
| 20:45.55 | insano | apollo13, virtual |
| 20:46.11 | streuner | dpkg, mbr |
| 20:46.11 | dpkg | [mbr] Master Boot Record, the first bit of code loaded from the hard drive when a PC boots. To install a clean MBR (e.g. to get rid of LILO within the MBR) from Linux "install-mbr /dev/hda"; from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr", or ask me about <fixmbr>, or see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mbr. See http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-copy-mbr/ for guidelines on copying the MBR. |
| 20:46.28 | insano | apollo13, Are you sure? |
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| 20:46.46 | insano | and if I create with ifconfig? |
| 20:46.48 | apollo13 | insano: till I am proven wrong |
| 20:47.06 | apollo13 | it probably can manage the device then yes |
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| 20:47.14 | streuner | Hal9000: its DUAL-Boot by any chance? |
| 20:47.14 | apollo13 | but it can't create them on it's own |
| 20:47.19 | Hal9000 | streuner: no |
| 20:47.28 | melonar | Hal9000: put in a livecd that has parted and tools like that. boot that and copy the contents of /boot to an save place, delete /boot and re-create it with smaller size at the end of the free space. then copy the contents back to /boot and install grub2 |
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| 20:47.50 | Hal9000 | melonar: will the UUID change if i do this? |
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| 20:48.09 | melonar | Hal9000: yeah, it will change |
| 20:48.12 | insano | apollo13, I wanted to configure like eth0:1 eht0:2 and so on.. |
| 20:48.22 | Hal9000 | melonar: ok thanks i will try |
| 20:48.27 | insano | How can I do it? |
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| 20:48.46 | Hal9000 | it is a raid1 which makes things more complicated but i guess disassembling first and recreating afterwards should do the trick :P |
| 20:49.20 | insano | apollo13, isnt there a file to configure it? |
| 20:49.21 | apollo13 | insano: /etc/network/interfaces⦠|
| 20:49.41 | insano | ««apollo13»»: but it wont work with networkmanager |
| 20:49.46 | apollo13 | why not? |
| 20:49.58 | apollo13 | if they are configured as auto + dhcp networkmanager should pick them up iirc |
| 20:50.26 | insano | apollo13, NetworkManger seems to not get the configuration from this file |
| 20:50.36 | insano | not to* |
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| 20:50.46 | melonar | Hal9000: hang on, when i think about it, then Gparted (the graphical one) should be able to resize to both sides, the beginning and end of a partition |
| 20:50.56 | apollo13 | "seems" is pretty vague; you should read the network-manager docs |
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| 20:51.10 | Hal9000 | melonar:i have no gui on that machine |
| 20:51.19 | apollo13 | network-manager surely gets some of the information there, especially which interfaces it does manage! |
| 20:51.25 | tkarkoulis | hello, is there a channel for debian-sparc related stuff? |
| 20:51.43 | streuner | dpkg, listkeys sparc |
| 20:51.44 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'sparc' by key (15 of 20): #debian sparc ;; _default debian/sparc ;; _default ultrasparc ;; sparc ;; sparc audio ;; sparc users #del# ;; sparc32 ;; sparc64 ;; sparcstation ;; sun sparc classic ;; sun sparc lx ;; sun sparcstation 10 ;; sun sparcstation 2 ;; sun sparcstation 5 ;; ultrasparc ii. |
| 20:51.50 | melonar | Hal9000: there is a livecd with a minimal Xorg setup for this, either "The Ultimate Boot CD" or the "System Rescue CD" |
| 20:52.01 | streuner | dpkg, sparc |
| 20:52.01 | dpkg | [sparc] the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded systems usually run Solaris. For more information about SPARC, see http://www.sparc.org/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC . To install Debian, ask me about <install guide> and see http://wiki.debian.org/PortsSparc . For help with Debian on SPARC, join #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:52.04 | tkarkoulis | thanks |
| 20:52.19 | streuner | OFTC |
| 20:52.35 | Hal9000 | melonar: i cant use a livecd either, it's a root server... i just have serial console and a ubuntu-based textual-only rescue system |
| 20:52.41 | streuner | #debian-sparc 16 Debian sparc port development channel - http://www.debian.org/ports/sparc/ |
| 20:52.43 | insano | apollo13, I have searched a lot of sources and didnt find out anyone for configuring virtual ips with networkmanager |
| 20:52.43 | melonar | Hal9000: ah, bummer |
| 20:52.56 | Hal9000 | melonar: heh no worries, i will just delete and recreate as you said |
| 20:53.28 | melonar | good luck :) |
| 20:53.36 | streuner | tkarkoulis: thats a devel channel..., but there should be a ML too |
| 20:53.44 | apollo13 | insano: so be the first⦠|
| 20:53.56 | tkarkoulis | I want to access open boot on the t1000 server and dont know how :( |
| 20:54.15 | insano | apollo13, thanks a lot |
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| 20:55.56 | Hal9000 | melonar: any idea what the "NC" flag is and now i can put it back in? |
| 20:56.00 | Amnesia | hm, is there any possibility to uncheck "dependencies" |
| 20:56.13 | Amnesia | since I on't really see why hal and dbus are dependencies for wpa_supplicant |
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| 20:58.43 | twanny796 | which kernel has support for pata_it821x ? |
| 20:58.43 | Dark_Wolf | Can anyone venture a guess to this question? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=4266271 |
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| 20:59.41 | Amnesia | anyone? |
| 20:59.51 | melonar | Hal9000: i never heard of this flag |
| 21:00.18 | Hal9000 | melonar: i'll just pretend i didnt see it :P |
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| 21:00.36 | melonar | Hal9000: dont forget to "sync" before you write to the partition |
| 21:01.10 | Hal9000 | melonar: too late |
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| 21:01.18 | melonar | it should state something about "successfully re-read the partition table" |
| 21:02.02 | themill | Amnesia: neither hal nor dbus are dependencies of the wpasupplicant package. |
| 21:02.12 | melonar | otherwise it could possibly write to the old partition data which you changed |
| 21:02.17 | apollo13 | insano: you want to read http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager |
| 21:02.18 | Amnesia | themill: they are in wheezy |
| 21:02.36 | themill | Amnesia: ahh. that's known and likely to change. |
| 21:02.44 | Amnesia | I see |
| 21:02.47 | themill | Amnesia: testing is called testing for a reason. |
| 21:02.59 | Amnesia | heh I know;) |
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| 21:03.19 | Dark_Wolf | Anyone have any ideas why I'd get "GRUB Read Error" just after installing Squeeze? |
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| 21:05.53 | Norkakn | "/msg dpkg guidelines |
| 21:06.31 | Amnesia | themill: add pcscd:) |
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| 21:07.25 | melonar | Dark_Wolf: did you choose ext4 as /boot and install grub legacy by chance? |
| 21:07.35 | Dark_Wolf | No |
| 21:07.45 | Dark_Wolf | ext3 and grub2 |
| 21:08.13 | melonar | Dark_Wolf: how exactly did you partition the system? |
| 21:08.26 | Dark_Wolf | / is on /dev/sda1 as ext3 |
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| 21:08.33 | Dark_Wolf | swap is on /dev/sda5 |
| 21:08.36 | Dark_Wolf | That's it |
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| 21:09.00 | Norkakn | I'm trying to install the new version of DBD::Pg on stable. I installed pg 9.0 from lenny-backports, but I don't see a postgresql-server-dev-9.0 (for pg_config). I tried postgresql-server-dev-all but that didn't work - how can I get pg_config for 9.0? |
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| 21:10.05 | melonar | Dark_Wolf: hmm, strange. have you checked with http://bugs.debian.org/ whether somebody else reported this problem? |
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| 21:10.54 | Hal9000 | melonar: ok i'm done, i guess updating the UUID in fstab is the only thing i had to do... so by rebooting it should work now lol |
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| 21:12.27 | Dark_Wolf | melonar: I have not, but I can't really figure out how to search with it |
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| 21:16.52 | melonar | Dark_Wolf: i dont see anything related on the bug tracker at the moment. could you install and run reportbug, please? |
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| 21:17.13 | Dark_Wolf | melonar: on it |
| 21:17.42 | melonar | Dark_Wolf: the affected package should be "grub-pc" |
| 21:18.17 | Dark_Wolf | Another question while I'm here |
| 21:18.29 | Dark_Wolf | apt-get keeps giving me tons of locale warnings from perl |
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| 21:18.35 | Dark_Wolf | It's kind of annoying |
| 21:18.39 | apollo13 | install the relevant language packs |
| 21:18.44 | apollo13 | and create the needed locales |
| 21:18.46 | stew | Dark_Wolf: aptitude install locales |
| 21:18.54 | stew | or apt-get install locales |
| 21:19.11 | Dark_Wolf | says it's already the newest version |
| 21:19.18 | stew | Dark_Wolf: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 21:19.27 | apollo13 | what is the exact error and what does locale -a say |
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| 21:19.55 | apollo13 | if you don't find the mentioned locale in locale -a you need to add that locale to the locale db |
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| 21:22.06 | Dark_Wolf | stew |
| 21:22.12 | Dark_Wolf | stew's suggestion worked* |
| 21:22.13 | Dark_Wolf | Thanks |
| 21:22.33 | xuser | kernel.org, ftp.us.debian.org and debian.org are very slowly lately, any other up to date fast mirrors? |
| 21:22.42 | xuser | in the U.S |
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| 21:23.04 | sacredchao | Is it possible to use a recent version of dmraid (as opposed to mdadm) in order to produce a software RAID-1 array that supports the TRIM feature in SSDs? |
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| 21:23.42 | stew | xuser: try cdn.debian.net |
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| 21:24.32 | xuser | stew: thanks |
| 21:25.56 | Norkakn | is packages.debian.org down? |
| 21:26.24 | streuner | #debian-sparc 16 Debian sparc port development channel - http://www.debian.org/ports/sparc/ |
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| 21:26.34 | streuner | #debian-sparc 16 Debian sparc port development channel - http://www.debian.org/ports/sparc/ |
| 21:26.44 | streuner | 1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms |
| 21:26.44 | streuner | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 118.480/118.480/118.480/0.000 ms |
| 21:26.50 | sney | streuner: having trouble? |
| 21:26.54 | arnie-b | i just upgraded to squeeze, and mysql won't start now |
| 21:26.54 | stew | Norkakn: no |
| 21:27.11 | streuner | Norkakn: maybe slow, but its not down |
| 21:27.14 | stew | arnie-b: remove the "skip-bdb" statement from my.cnf (as a guess) |
| 21:27.16 | arnie-b | it says it needs mysql-server-5.1, which won't configure for some reason |
| 21:28.08 | streuner | Norkakn: its a know issue, that it needs some time to resolve... |
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| 21:29.20 | arnie-b | brilliant! that worked, thanks stew! |
| 21:29.29 | stew | :) |
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| 21:30.50 | Amnesia | hm |
| 21:30.58 | Amnesia | I just downgraden from wheezy to squeeze |
| 21:30.58 | Dark_Wolf | melonar: bug reported |
| 21:31.06 | Amnesia | but getting: 20 not upgraded packages |
| 21:31.14 | sney | !downgrade |
| 21:31.14 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 21:31.25 | Amnesia | apt-get upgrade doesnt list any though |
| 21:31.27 | Amnesia | anyone? |
| 21:31.31 | tharkun | Amnesia: afaik it is not supported. you might as well be better of with a fresh install |
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| 21:31.41 | Amnesia | hm I just did it:) |
| 21:31.47 | Amnesia | except those packages I guess |
| 21:32.06 | tharkun | Amnesia: uninstall them and install them back (haven't tried it though) |
| 21:32.11 | Amnesia | hm gay |
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| 21:32.19 | Amnesia | well just removed the pinning file and it should be fine now |
| 21:32.35 | abrotman | !tell Amnesia about gay |
| 21:32.38 | stew | Amnesia: please don't use the word "gay" as a derrogatory adjective, its offensive to some |
| 21:32.38 | Amnesia | o0 |
| 21:32.40 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 21:32.40 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt ]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Lenny, Squeeze, and any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 21:32.58 | Amnesia | ah sorry..:P |
| 21:32.59 | Amnesia | but ehm |
| 21:33.10 | Amnesia | are there any security repos for sueeze? |
| 21:33.31 | sney | yes, they can be found at security.debian.org |
| 21:33.42 | Dark_Wolf | Is SSH supposed to not work in the rescue shell? |
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| 21:34.05 | Amnesia | deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
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| 21:34.19 | sney | I believe it is actually squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
| 21:34.33 | streuner | dpkg, squeeze security |
| 21:34.33 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>. |
| 21:34.34 | Amnesia | thatthx |
| 21:34.40 | abrotman | !tell sney about squeeze sources.list |
| 21:34.54 | Norkakn | Anyone able to help with my pg_config issue? |
| 21:35.01 | sney | abrotman: I know how to use dpkg, thanks :P |
| 21:35.15 | abrotman | i was showing you so you would know to show poeple in the future |
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| 21:38.06 | Dark_Wolf | What is the device name for a flash drive in squeeze? |
| 21:38.29 | streuner | cat /proc/partitions |
| 21:38.35 | streuner | and look at the output... |
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| 21:39.17 | Dark_Wolf | I don't see anything other than my hard drive there |
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| 21:39.27 | Dark_Wolf | Are flash drives unmountable in rescue mode? |
| 21:39.32 | streuner | well, the kernel doesnt see it then |
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| 21:40.45 | streuner | maybe USB sucks then |
| 21:41.07 | streuner | check BIOS then |
| 21:43.00 | stew | Norkakn: you are using lenny-backports-sloppy not lenny-backports, right? |
| 21:43.11 | Strife89 | Is there a quick way to check bandwidth totals (i.e., how much data has been transmitted since the last reboot)? |
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| 21:43.37 | Norkakn | stew, no, but I guess I should be? |
| 21:44.20 | streuner | Strife89: ifconfig? |
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| 21:45.08 | streuner | amset:/tmp# ifconfig |
| 21:45.08 | streuner | eth0 Link encap:Ethernet Hardware Adresse 00:1a:92:fb:0b:d8 |
| 21:45.23 | streuner | RX bytes:675554738 (644.2 MiB) TX bytes:43624375 (41.6 MiB) |
| 21:45.25 | Norkakn | stew, thank you! |
| 21:45.30 | Strife89 | streuner: bash seems to be recognizing it as a command, rather than a program, and declares it not found. |
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| 21:45.54 | streuner | Strife89: what kind of OS do you use? :-P |
| 21:46.07 | Strife89 | streuner: I am using Squeeze :) |
| 21:46.11 | Amnesia | did the vlc blanking issue got fixed? |
| 21:46.11 | streuner | tzz |
| 21:46.15 | Amnesia | in 1.3.3 |
| 21:46.19 | Amnesia | (squeeze) |
| 21:46.55 | streuner | Strife89: you should have ifconfig installed |
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| 21:47.06 | streuner | in ANY debian version |
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| 21:47.22 | streuner | judd, file /bin/ifconfig |
| 21:47.26 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 21:47.27 | Strife89 | wonders wtf is going on, then |
| 21:47.32 | streuner | judd, file /usr/bin/ifconfig |
| 21:47.35 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
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| 21:47.44 | thewanderer1 | ,file /sbin/ifconfig |
| 21:47.48 | judd | /sbin/ifconfig in squeeze/i386: net-tools: sbin/ifconfig |
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| 21:47.58 | streuner | sure, sbin |
| 21:48.11 | Strife89 | streuner: http://pastebin.com/Zj4rjkHL |
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| 21:48.43 | streuner | Strife89: just install it, but its strange to me |
| 21:49.00 | Amnesia | anyone? |
| 21:49.33 | sney | Amnesia: why don't you look at bugs.debian.org |
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| 21:49.45 | Amnesia | hm thx |
| 21:49.53 | Strife89 | streuner: Still no sign of it. :/ |
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| 21:50.19 | streuner | Strife89: sorry, i only know about ifconfig (bandwidth) |
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| 21:51.08 | Strife89 | streuner: I'm going to try and just fix the ifconfig issue, whatever it is. |
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| 21:53.09 | Strife89 | streuner: Running as root works. :) |
| 21:53.32 | streuner | Strife89: :-) |
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| 21:54.41 | Noah0504 | 02/21/2011 - Noah |
| 21:54.41 | Noah0504 | The server was on, running and fuctional except that it wouldn't connect to the network. Everyone else had Internet. After running a command to reset the TCP/IP stack on the computer, it was able to connect to the network and everyone was able to access RecTrac. |
| 21:54.45 | Noah0504 | I also installed the new motherboard is Lori's computer and made sure it was working afterwards. |
| 21:54.48 | Noah0504 | I had to bring back the camera computer up front because it wouldn't boot into Windows. |
| 21:54.55 | Noah0504 | What the hey... |
| 21:55.03 | magicianlord | how do you tell that a ssd is failing |
| 21:55.14 | magicianlord | AN |
| 21:55.16 | Noah0504 | How did that get pasted in... Everyone ignore. Haha. Sorry. |
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| 21:57.04 | thewanderer1 | magicianlord: it corrupts things |
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| 21:59.00 | nonnie | hey there, is there a convenient way to install Monaco font on debian (or maybe even a package with a lot of fonts including Monaco)? |
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| 21:59.38 | streuner | apt-cache search monaco? |
| 21:59.52 | pingouin | what is the option to put in xorg.conf to disabled any "automagic" config by X , and do it totaly by hands with xorg.conf ? |
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| 22:00.08 | streuner | amset:/tmp# apt-cache search monaco |
| 22:00.08 | streuner | amset:/tmp# |
| 22:00.32 | nonnie | streuner: nothing |
| 22:00.34 | streuner | nonnie: seems not part of Debian then... |
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| 22:00.35 | streuner | sure |
| 22:00.42 | magicianlord | thewanderer1: well, i have an older ssd without SMART |
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| 22:00.54 | magicianlord | that makes it hard to determine if it is doing something, or lnux |
| 22:01.00 | nonnie | streuner: Monaco is the Mac terminal standard font (old) - so it is NOT Debian, of course |
| 22:01.12 | streuner | omg |
| 22:01.51 | nonnie | (well, i'm not familiar with any font stuff, sorry) |
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| 22:02.27 | thewanderer1 | magicianlord: yes, but you just write a huge file, bigger than a breadbox, umount that, mount again and check the md5sum again or sth |
| 22:02.49 | magicianlord | hmm. ok. its a 4gb ssd |
| 22:02.52 | thewanderer1 | I use that with pendrives to verify data consistency |
| 22:03.25 | magicianlord | i supposed that is reasonable |
| 22:03.29 | magicianlord | suppose |
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| 22:03.51 | lwithers | magicianlord: also try badblocks |
| 22:03.56 | magicianlord | thanks |
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| 22:06.26 | kodiak_ | Anybody does have a Dell studio 1558 laptop and suspend work it? |
| 22:06.35 | abrotman | in what OS? |
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| 22:07.16 | kodiak_ | Debian testing |
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| 22:10.14 | jhutchins | kodiak_: Disk or RAM? |
| 22:10.19 | kodiak_ | RAM |
| 22:10.44 | jhutchins | kodiak_: Does disk work? |
| 22:10.56 | kodiak_ | I don't try hibernate yet |
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| 22:11.35 | thewanderer1 | maybe it doesn't support suspend? :P |
| 22:12.10 | kodiak_ | I don't know :P |
| 22:13.05 | Hal9000 | why does mdadm --examine --scan give me different UUID than blkid? |
| 22:13.41 | thewanderer1 | Hal9000: blkid gives you the filesystem UUID while mdadm gives you MD UUID |
| 22:14.14 | Hal9000 | thewanderer1: oh ok i see |
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| 22:15.10 | fronix | What souce do i need to add in sources.list to be able to run "sudo apt-get install sun-java6-bin sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin" ?? |
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| 22:15.37 | valdyn | fronix: non-free |
| 22:15.38 | dvs | fronix: non-free |
| 22:15.57 | dvs | valdyn: jinx! |
| 22:16.04 | izaac | is it there a known problem with debian keyring ? |
| 22:16.10 | thewanderer1 | nope |
| 22:16.22 | Arch_ | I am trying to uninstall some nvidia packages and I am getting these messages: http://pastebin.com/ywAfbPFU How can I remove them an solve this issue? |
| 22:16.28 | fronix | dvs, >< and how do i add that :P |
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| 22:16.55 | dvs | fronix: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add "non-free" to the end of the deb line |
| 22:16.58 | melonar | fronix: just put "non-free" after "main" in the same line |
| 22:17.06 | fronix | ohh |
| 22:17.14 | thewanderer1 | Arch_: add diversions manually or remove the files that are blocking this operation |
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| 22:17.20 | mmnicolas | I got avahi-discover finding out every hostnames and their ip, I got nsswitch with this order "files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdn4", what could prevent me from resolving theses hosts ? |
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| 22:17.37 | izaac | i reinstalled debian-archive-keyring but im still getting: http://pastebin.com/3WXEeUGx |
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| 22:18.06 | Arch_ | thewanderer1: If I remove the files manually, I should not have to worry about breaking things if I am to install the nvidia binaries afterwards? |
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| 22:18.40 | thewanderer1 | Arch_: oh, things will definitely break if you install using the script from nvidia.com... |
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| 22:19.02 | jhutchins | izaac: Are you sure you want wheezy? |
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| 22:19.40 | thewanderer1 | well maybe try a different mirror? |
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| 22:20.04 | streuner | keep in mind, testing is a (usually) a mess after release stable... |
| 22:20.06 | Arch_ | thewanderer1: It's the weirdest thing, I had some nvidia packages installed, and I had the nvidia.com one installed too and it was working perfectly fine before. Then all of a sudden wine is complaining and I've been trying to get it to work again. Then it wouldn't let me uninstall the nvidia package. I got the nvidia.com one to uninstall(or so it said) |
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| 22:20.19 | karlpinc | !tell izaac about overview |
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| 22:20.51 | thewanderer1 | Arch_: you're not supposed to run this kind of a setup... |
| 22:21.08 | melonar | cool factoid |
| 22:21.23 | Arch_ | thewanderer1: So which files am I removing? The ones in the diversions folder? or the /usr/lib32 ones? |
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| 22:22.21 | melonar | Arch_: as far as i know, the nvidia installer has an uninstall option |
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| 22:22.26 | thewanderer1 | Arch_: /usr/lib32/libGL.so.1 and so on |
| 22:22.35 | Arch_ | thewanderer1: k |
| 22:22.35 | thewanderer1 | melonar: he mixed that up :P |
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| 22:22.39 | melonar | oh |
| 22:22.51 | Arch_ | melonar: It's a complete mess right now :P |
| 22:23.09 | Arrowmaster | you have to pray the nvidia uninstaller actually removes everything though |
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| 22:26.22 | Arch_ | thewanderer1: Ok, I'll be back, attempting to install the nvidia.com one again after removing the packaged one. (the .com one is just so far ahead 260 vs 197 |
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| 22:26.42 | thewanderer1 | huh |
| 22:26.47 | thewanderer1 | you'll regret that... |
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| 22:27.00 | Arch_ | thewanderer1: It was working so well before though! |
| 22:27.12 | Arrowmaster | only by pure luck |
| 22:27.17 | Arch_ | :P |
| 22:27.38 | Arch_ | If I don't come back...at least I went down fighting |
| 22:27.45 | Arrowmaster | theres a 260 version in experimental |
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| 22:28.16 | Arch_ | Does it work though, I'm using Wheezy |
| 22:28.27 | Amnesia | hm could anyone tell me whether it's possible at all that experimental contains vlc 1.3.3:S? |
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| 22:28.31 | Arrowmaster | well it doesnt work with sid |
| 22:28.39 | sney | judd: versions vlc |
| 22:28.40 | judd | Package vlc on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2.3; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze2; wheezy: 1.1.3-1squeeze2; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze3; sid: 1.1.7-2 |
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| 22:28.49 | sney | Amnesia: looks like no |
| 22:29.06 | valdyn | Arrowmaster: 1.3.3 does not exist |
| 22:29.07 | Amnesia | sney: apt-cache show (with experimental enabled) states 2 tiimes vlc 1.3.3 |
| 22:29.35 | Amnesia | the screen blanking bug is really annoying |
| 22:30.02 | sney | you could try uupdate and backporting it yourself |
| 22:30.25 | Amnesia | hm dunno how tbh |
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| 22:30.41 | Amnesia | I used to get vlc 1.1.6+ out of experimental |
| 22:30.43 | sney | !uupdate |
| 22:30.43 | dpkg | uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile> |
| 22:30.46 | valdyn | i can see that videolan.org goes up to 1.1.7, whats 1.3.3? a development version? |
| 22:30.57 | Amnesia | but now I've downgraded it seems not to be posible anymore |
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| 22:31.13 | streuner | judd, versions vlc |
| 22:31.13 | judd | Package vlc on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2.3; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze2; wheezy: 1.1.3-1squeeze2; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze3; sid: 1.1.7-2 |
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| 22:31.28 | SparFux | Hi all. My iceweasel seems to hang on flash content. It's a problem for a long time now. Am I the only one with it? |
| 22:31.29 | Amnesia | ah |
| 22:31.35 | Amnesia | guess I should grab it out of sid |
| 22:31.47 | Arrowmaster | SparFux: what flash player? |
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| 22:32.34 | SparFux | Arrowmaster: gnash plugin it is. |
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| 22:32.55 | streuner | forget gnash |
| 22:33.07 | Arrowmaster | try the nonfree one if you need recent stuff to work |
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| 22:33.31 | Amnesia | streuner: thx ++ |
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| 22:34.05 | streuner | Amnesia: you can only pray in Linux that flash works.... |
| 22:34.24 | Amnesia | o0 |
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| 22:34.33 | Amnesia | my question wasnt about flash:P |
| 22:34.35 | rjsalts | streuner, adobe's flash is a lot better on linux than it was 10 years ago |
| 22:34.41 | streuner | yeah, Adobe gives a damn about Linux at all |
| 22:34.43 | sney | and gnash is currently sloooooow |
| 22:34.44 | Amnesia | but ehm, it;s working fine afaikk flash can(it sucks on itself:) |
| 22:34.57 | Amnesia | swfdec? |
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| 22:35.44 | streuner | rjsalts: yes, but the support in Linux sucks vs. other OSs... |
| 22:36.06 | Arrowmaster | last time i had a working nix box the 64bit adobe one was still flaky |
| 22:36.23 | Arrowmaster | wants his RMAed PSU to get back soon |
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| 22:39.10 | streuner | rjsalts: it just works in OSX or windows 7 |
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| 22:40.12 | streuner | rjsalts: even in 98 it works almost |
| 22:40.36 | streuner | but flash in Linux? its a mess |
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| 22:41.19 | nsadmin | what's the support status of ATI Mobility Radeon HD4250? |
| 22:41.34 | thewanderer1 | want YouTube? `apt-get install minitube; apt-get remove --purge flashplugin-nonfree #you shall be happy now` |
| 22:42.31 | sney | nsadmin: good enough, via fglrx |
| 22:42.51 | streuner | dpkg, listkeys 4250 |
| 22:42.52 | dpkg | Factoid search of '4250' by key returned no results. |
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| 22:43.13 | sney | streuner: that's because the ati stuff is generally referred by chip id |
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| 22:43.20 | matrix | hey guys how can i make my debian run faster on my p4 128mb ram computer? |
| 22:43.36 | sney | matrix: reduce system resource usage |
| 22:43.39 | IanWizard | matrix, uninstall gnome |
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| 22:43.46 | streuner | just buy another machine :-P |
| 22:43.47 | apollo13 | buying a new pc isn't an option? |
| 22:43.54 | sney | or add more ram |
| 22:43.59 | abrotman | matrix: get more RAM |
| 22:44.07 | abrotman | or run less stuff, or lighter stuff |
| 22:44.10 | sney | it could be RDRAM though, and that's hard to find these days |
| 22:44.12 | streuner | on a p4 182MB? |
| 22:44.21 | Amnesia | hm is there some way to shorten: mv meuk/backup/aptdb meuk/backup/pkglist |
| 22:44.23 | streuner | throw it to trash |
| 22:44.29 | Amnesia | so that I don;t have to type the entire path again? |
| 22:44.37 | apollo13 | Amnesia: cd into the folder?! :þ |
| 22:44.44 | Amnesia | yeah, but except of that:P |
| 22:44.53 | Arrowmaster | switch to zsh |
| 22:45.01 | streuner | matrix: you are able to get a faster machine for very few bucks... |
| 22:45.03 | Amnesia | something like mv meuk/backup/aptdb $srcdir/foobar |
| 22:45.19 | sney | some people live in parts of the world where computers are not so easy to get, guys |
| 22:45.24 | streuner | matrix: but a P4 182MB isnt a option, IMO |
| 22:45.36 | simonrvn | adding ram, or run less stuff |
| 22:45.49 | streuner | simonrvn: its limited.... |
| 22:45.53 | apollo13 | sney: asking if it's possible for him to upgrade is still worth it |
| 22:46.17 | simonrvn | s/he would have done so if they could.... |
| 22:46.30 | streuner | simonrvn: 182 MB RAM sounds not that you are able to upgrade... |
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| 22:46.38 | Arrowmaster | the suggestion to uninstall gnome is probably the best though, for something that old xfce or lxde should be used instead |
| 22:46.39 | jhutchins | Amnesia: tab completion. |
| 22:46.51 | jhutchins | Amnesia: Besides, typing commands accurately is good practice for irc. |
| 22:46.55 | Amnesia | jhutchins: that only works for the current dir right? |
| 22:46.55 | simonrvn | he didn't 182. read again. *you* said that. |
| 22:47.02 | simonrvn | didn't say* |
| 22:47.32 | streuner | simonrvn: if someone talk about 182 MB, i guess its a very limited machine... |
| 22:47.37 | simonrvn | ... |
| 22:47.56 | simonrvn | slaps streuner around with a large salmon |
| 22:47.58 | streuner | forget that, its a mess nowadays in Debian |
| 22:48.21 | streuner | you should talking about GB RAM nowadays |
| 22:48.41 | simonrvn | runs away screaming from streuner |
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| 22:49.27 | matrix | im using lxde by the way |
| 22:49.40 | streuner | simonrvn: /msg dpkg ruby goldberg install :-P |
| 22:49.51 | streuner | not bad |
| 22:49.58 | simonrvn | rube |
| 22:50.05 | streuner | but you need more performance |
| 22:50.11 | matrix | cant buy more ram |
| 22:50.23 | streuner | just buy another machine |
| 22:50.24 | matrix | they dont have it its called RIM memomry for my cpu |
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| 22:51.26 | thewanderer1 | matrix: run Chromium instead of iceweasel - works faster for me on P3, 128MB RAM |
| 22:51.43 | thewanderer1 | also, get some *really* fast SSD and put swap on it |
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| 22:52.46 | matrix | isnt seamonkey faster |
| 22:52.48 | matrix | ?? |
| 22:53.09 | simonrvn | aren't ssds more expensive than hdds anyway? |
| 22:53.18 | simonrvn | really doesn't know |
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| 22:53.46 | apollo13 | simonrvn: well 60 gb ssd around 120â¬; 1TB hdd 120⬠⦠|
| 22:53.59 | nkuttler | simonrvn: well, kinda depends on what's important to you |
| 22:54.07 | matrix | it has 300mb of swap |
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| 22:54.32 | simonrvn | nkuttler: that's not an option at all. |
| 22:54.33 | streuner | matrix: you need performance (RAM, CPU) |
| 22:54.35 | matrix | cani dissable some processes i dont use? like wifi or some other things?? |
| 22:54.53 | streuner | only heahaches |
| 22:54.55 | simonrvn | people assume others have an actual budget. *g* |
| 22:54.57 | thewanderer1 | so you're on LXDE, right? what applications do you use the most? |
| 22:55.08 | nkuttler | matrix: process? sounds more like kernel modules? |
| 22:55.14 | streuner | simonrvn: we can tell them only the truth... |
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| 22:55.28 | n_np | what is the default mysql root password? |
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| 22:55.57 | matrix | th im using lxde |
| 22:55.59 | simonrvn | n_np: there is no default password |
| 22:56.01 | nkuttler | n_np: iirc you set it during install. so dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server ? |
| 22:56.15 | simonrvn | !mysql root password |
| 22:56.16 | matrix | i mostly use internet and music |
| 22:56.23 | simonrvn | !forgot mysql root password |
| 22:56.23 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the <MySQL> root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start, or http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html, or <mysql initial password> |
| 22:56.25 | matrix | i want to change iceweasel... its too much |
| 22:57.25 | sney | matrix: there are many options, midori, epiphany, chromium, even chrome from google if you need flash support |
| 22:57.44 | simonrvn | i use opera, or any other of the smaller footprint ones. i found the chromium browsers swap too much. |
| 22:58.17 | matrix | i want something that supports flash |
| 22:58.30 | streuner | lol |
| 22:58.34 | streuner | good luck |
| 22:58.34 | nkuttler | matrix: flash works in every browser has. for me. |
| 22:58.35 | simonrvn | well, flash on whatever browser you use is going to be a problem |
| 22:58.50 | streuner | true |
| 22:58.50 | sney | yeah, on that system flash will be slow regardless |
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| 22:59.04 | nkuttler | how so? i have flash in iceweasel and chromium |
| 22:59.13 | simonrvn | flash is a pos. worse on non-x86 |
| 22:59.39 | nkuttler | well. my beefy amd64 can handle it. pos, sure, but it works.. |
| 22:59.41 | streuner | nkuttler: you have a supported chipset for your plugin then |
| 22:59.55 | streuner | uses OSS4 |
| 23:00.01 | matrix | can midori support flash and tabs? |
| 23:00.03 | nkuttler | streuner: chipset? does flash use hardwar acceleartion? |
| 23:00.11 | nkuttler | gee, typing is hard today |
| 23:00.12 | simonrvn | what does oss4 have to do with flash? |
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| 23:00.22 | streuner | plugin support |
| 23:00.28 | simonrvn | *blink* |
| 23:00.32 | streuner | hm |
| 23:00.48 | nkuttler | isn't flash available for x86, amd64 and ppc? |
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| 23:00.59 | simonrvn | not ppc |
| 23:01.06 | nkuttler | not? hmmm.. |
| 23:01.09 | simonrvn | not in any recent version anyway |
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| 23:01.14 | simonrvn | and not for linux |
| 23:01.16 | nkuttler | yeah, that could be i guess |
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| 23:01.26 | sney | gnash probably is, but it's not particularly useful |
| 23:01.28 | streuner | bah, /slap Adobe |
| 23:01.38 | streuner | forget gnash |
| 23:01.41 | sney | flash is deprecated technology anyway |
| 23:01.49 | streuner | yeah, html4 |
| 23:01.53 | Dark_Wolf | lol @ deprecated |
| 23:01.57 | sney | html5 will replace it, in a few years we'll all be saying "haha, remember flash?" |
| 23:01.57 | simonrvn | s,4,5, |
| 23:01.59 | Dark_Wolf | Flash > HTML5, not debating |
| 23:02.00 | nkuttler | html4 is the current standard.. |
| 23:02.04 | streuner | ah |
| 23:02.07 | nkuttler | html5... wait for 2020 or so |
| 23:02.09 | streuner | nm then |
| 23:02.13 | streuner | tzzz |
| 23:02.16 | sney | I think I hear the sg-1 theme song coming from the other room |
| 23:02.20 | sney | is drawn away |
| 23:02.45 | nsadmin | html5 is what the "industry" is hoping for as opposed to xhtml |
| 23:02.56 | Dark_Wolf | XHTML > HTML5 |
| 23:03.03 | nkuttler | oh my |
| 23:03.06 | Dark_Wolf | Sure, it can't do the fancy stuff |
| 23:03.15 | Dark_Wolf | But XHTML is so much cleaner than HTML |
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| 23:03.25 | simonrvn | ... |
| 23:03.30 | nsadmin | maybe that's why the industry doesn't like it |
| 23:03.34 | IanWizard | Dark_Wolf, XHTML is deprecated too. It's dead, it's over, it's going away. |
| 23:03.38 | simonrvn | wanders off elsewhere |
| 23:03.40 | Dark_Wolf | It isn't! |
| 23:03.53 | streuner | simonrvn: :-( |
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| 23:04.01 | Dark_Wolf | HTML4 is dead, XHTML is taking over |
| 23:04.05 | apollo13 | Dark_Wolf: what's the point in using XHTML if no pages serves it as application/xhtml but as text/html |
| 23:04.08 | nsadmin | if ie supports it, maybe there's additional life for it |
| 23:04.13 | apollo13 | and now XHTML isn't taking over |
| 23:04.17 | IanWizard | Dark_Wolf, They stopped in the middle of XHTML 2, it's going bye bye. |
| 23:04.19 | apollo13 | s/now/no,/ |
| 23:04.19 | thewanderer1 | Dark_Wolf: no, HTML is taking over :D |
| 23:04.23 | Dark_Wolf | D: |
| 23:04.31 | thewanderer1 | (welcome broken tags! - again!) |
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| 23:04.43 | Dark_Wolf | I've spent all this time working with XHTML because everyone says it's replacing HTML |
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| 23:04.45 | IanWizard | Dark_Wolf, I used it too, but I've moved on to HTML5, they've decided to kind of merge the two. |
| 23:04.46 | simonrvn | application/xhtml+xml *cough* |
| 23:04.54 | Dark_Wolf | Oh well |
| 23:04.58 | apollo13 | Dark_Wolf: noone says that, xhtlm is __dead__ |
| 23:05.01 | thewanderer1 | Dark_Wolf: XHTML is nice if you want to parse it as XML |
| 23:05.03 | Dark_Wolf | I'll continue working with XHTML for the rest of my career |
| 23:05.09 | FUF | any update on testing's pgp key giving errors in apt? |
| 23:05.16 | nsadmin | safest is probably to dd html4 |
| 23:05.20 | themill | #web is over there â ... |
| 23:05.22 | thewanderer1 | FUF: someone had that 5 minutes ago |
| 23:05.33 | Dark_Wolf | Anyway |
| 23:05.35 | FUF | thewanderer1: any solution yet? |
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| 23:05.55 | nkuttler | Dark_Wolf: good luck with that. some people still use ie6 today.. so you're in good company i guess |
| 23:06.03 | nsadmin | FUF: wait for daily mirror pulse... |
| 23:06.09 | Dark_Wolf | EW, I've been compared to IE6 users |
| 23:06.12 | Dark_Wolf | must change now |
| 23:06.15 | FUF | nsadmin: thanks |
| 23:06.28 | Dark_Wolf | Actually, EW, I've been compared to IE users... |
| 23:06.31 | FUF | was just concerned about a possible compromise |
| 23:06.51 | Dark_Wolf | Anyway, GRUB isn't wanting to load on me, "Read error," any suggestions? |
| 23:06.53 | thewanderer1 | well, it could have happened, of course... but stable seems fine |
| 23:07.00 | nsadmin | hmm, dunno about that either way |
| 23:07.01 | Dark_Wolf | I've been asking in here since this morning, and nothing's helped yet |
| 23:08.00 | nsadmin | if you have grub2 (i.e., grub-pc & friends), check in #grub too |
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| 23:08.56 | matrix | please any1? |
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| 23:09.30 | streuner | matrix: just use youtube-dl :-P |
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| 23:09.49 | streuner | /lastlog matrix |
| 23:10.03 | streuner | <matrix> can midori support flash and tabs? |
| 23:10.04 | thewanderer1 | yeah, Flash is not supposed to work on old devices |
| 23:10.26 | simonrvn | matrix: midori, adora or whatever is called, both can. and that's a good idea actually. download the video using c(c)live or youtube-dl to play them in mplayer or something. |
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| 23:11.53 | thewanderer1 | matrix: tried this? http://downloadmoreram.com/ |
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| 23:12.27 | streuner | its prolly limited to his CPU, forget that :-) |
| 23:13.22 | streuner | matrix> hey guys how can i make my debian run faster on my p4 128mb ram computer? |
| 23:13.38 | thewanderer1 | P4 is a fast beast |
| 23:13.46 | streuner | 128 MB; what do you want to do that faster? :-P |
| 23:13.50 | thewanderer1 | I can watch animated gifs just fine on a P3 :P |
| 23:13.51 | streuner | yeah :-) |
| 23:13.55 | Dark_Wolf | What's wrong with P4? |
| 23:13.56 | abrotman | anyway ... |
| 23:13.59 | sney | I think "less slow" was probably the goal |
| 23:14.01 | Dark_Wolf | They're not that old... |
| 23:14.05 | jhutchins | thewanderer1: Is there a problem with the testing key? Last I knew it was user errors. |
| 23:14.05 | Dark_Wolf | Are they? o.o |
| 23:14.21 | jhutchins | Dark_Wolf: Not that old, now. |
| 23:14.26 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins: it seems so, 2 people noticed this already |
| 23:14.31 | jhutchins | Dark_Wolf: Poor power efficiency, the core2 series was a LOT better. |
| 23:14.33 | themill | thewanderer1, jhutchins: ftp-masters have been breaking things the last day or so |
| 23:14.36 | streuner | Are you insane? 128 MB is like a dinasaurus! :-P |
| 23:14.54 | Dark_Wolf | hmm. |
| 23:15.01 | Dark_Wolf | I wonder if a Celeron > P4 |
| 23:15.02 | thewanderer1 | themill: oh, ok... any more info on that or they're just playing around? I thought the key was unchangeable and so on |
| 23:15.04 | nkuttler | 128MB is more than enough... to run a shell |
| 23:15.05 | jhutchins | themill: That was the main XP distribution platform - P4 w/ 128M. |
| 23:15.28 | streuner | nkuttler: true, to run a shell, true.... |
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| 23:15.43 | Dark_Wolf | You mean linux users need more than a shell? |
| 23:15.48 | Dark_Wolf | What is this blasphemy? |
| 23:15.50 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:15.56 | jhutchins | This is a 1.8GHz Athalon. |
| 23:16.03 | nkuttler | well, it's nice if the shell is responsive.. |
| 23:16.10 | sney | and a p4 with 128M of RAMBUS sounds exactly like the early early P4s I used to service in 03 or so, probably sub-2.0GHz, and 600MHz ram |
| 23:16.21 | Dark_Wolf | has 114 MB RAM in his server, 199 MHz processor |
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| 23:16.30 | Dark_Wolf | This is the one that's having GRUB issues |
| 23:16.33 | sney | in rambus terms, that 600 is really about 150 |
| 23:18.03 | mil0 | Hi, I have upgraded to squeeze and I have problem. I have 2 LSI (sas and scsi) raid controllers (one for system, another for storage). I've used with lenny custom compiled kernel (2.6.31.6) without initrd and it was working well with lenny. After squeeze upgrade I can't boot my custom kernel - it fails on detecting LVM volume groups. Distribution 2.6.32-5-amd64 works fine. It looks like, that /dev/sda and /dev/sdb were detected (dmesg), but after LVM fail, if I try |
| 23:18.26 | mil0 | so it's like udev problem, or I don't know :-( any idea? |
| 23:18.31 | thewanderer1 | mil0: you should use an initramfs |
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| 23:18.57 | abrotman | mil0: you were truncated |
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| 23:19.11 | thewanderer1 | also why do you need to run a custom kernel if distribution kernel works? |
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| 23:19.15 | mil0 | thewanderer1: why? with lenny it was no problem with my custom kernel |
| 23:19.46 | thewanderer1 | well, udev should work before starting init and mounting anything, I think |
| 23:19.53 | mil0 | thewanderer1: because of som patch etc. |
| 23:20.12 | mil0 | dmesg write, that [sda] and [sdb] were detected, but in /dev I can see only sdb |
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| 23:20.37 | mil0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.09 | mil0 | abrotman: :-) I know, question is why |
| 23:21.48 | abrotman | IRC protocol? |
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| 23:23.34 | mil0 | strange is, that in dmesg log [sda] and [sdb] are both detected. But in /dev is only sdb and exists /dev/disk/by-uuid/$SDB-UUID-LONG_NUMBER only |
| 23:23.50 | mil0 | why is not /dev/sda created, this is the question |
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| 23:24.43 | jhutchins | LVM - one more thing to go wrong. |
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| 23:25.37 | thewanderer1 | mil0: probably because you don't have initramfs... |
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| 23:26.30 | mil0 | thewanderer1: so squeeze doesn't support thing, which lenny supports? |
| 23:27.12 | abrotman | but it was a custom kernel |
| 23:27.52 | thewanderer1 | probably some udev/module incompatibility |
| 23:27.58 | thewanderer1 | you might want to read the changelog |
| 23:28.26 | thewanderer1 | and yes, regressions happen, especially when using custom options that might worked e.g. by luck only :) |
| 23:28.43 | abrotman | or perhaps he needs to regenerate his initramfs to include that driver |
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| 23:29.46 | thewanderer1 | example: udev might have dropped legacy support for autoconfiguring [something that the kernel should configure], and the custom compiled kernel does not autoconfigure it |
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| 23:30.14 | thewanderer1 | abrotman: he used to have no initramfs :P |
| 23:30.32 | sako | hey guys, how do you auto start a process on boot? |
| 23:30.34 | sako | with debian |
| 23:30.45 | sako | im used to the bsd style adding to rc.conf :/ |
| 23:30.45 | abrotman | thewanderer1: right, it was all compiled in |
| 23:30.53 | abrotman | !tell sako about run at startup |
| 23:31.02 | sako | tanks |
| 23:31.39 | sako | abrotman: can i see a list of "auto-started" daemons? |
| 23:31.52 | streuner | yes |
| 23:31.58 | streuner | ethconf |
| 23:31.59 | abrotman | you can .. if you want to look in the rc?.d directories |
| 23:32.03 | mil0 | abrotman: yes, but my custom 2.6.31.6 was working with lenny, but after upgrade to squeeze, it stops working ..so the same kernel (also I have try to compile the new custom after squeeze upgrade, but the same problem) |
| 23:32.05 | abrotman | streuner: wtf? |
| 23:32.27 | abrotman | mil0: but where does it stop ? |
| 23:32.28 | streuner | abrotman: there is a little app which show you everything :-) |
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| 23:32.32 | mil0 | abrotman: and I'm not using initramfs |
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| 23:33.04 | streuner | dpkg, listvals ethconf |
| 23:33.06 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ethconf' by value returned no results. |
| 23:33.12 | streuner | hm |
| 23:33.25 | abrotman | mil0: but where does it stop ? |
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| 23:33.34 | streuner | cant remember the name of the factoid |
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| 23:34.18 | sney | ethtool? mii-diag? |
| 23:34.34 | elraven | how about eth0conf? |
| 23:34.48 | mil0 | abrotman: it asks for root pass or ctrl+d ...after root pass I'm on rootfs ..it has stopped because of LVM did not find volume groups and it looks, that it's because of /dev/sda doestn't exist |
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| 23:34.58 | streuner | sney: its a tool which show you every daemon and you are able to tell them to start or stop |
| 23:35.12 | sney | oh, that sounds handy |
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| 23:35.17 | streuner | yeah |
| 23:35.18 | sney | if you figure out what it was called, let me know |
| 23:35.23 | abrotman | mil0: and you've looked through dmesg to see if the drives are appearing at all ? |
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| 23:35.45 | g_ | hi, is something wrong with a security repos? GPG error: http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release: |
| 23:35.51 | g_ | that's from an apt-get update |
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| 23:36.12 | mil0 | abrotman: yes, dmesg has detected [sda] and [sdb] and also partitions sda1, sda2 ..sdb1 .. |
| 23:36.14 | sney | g_: this error was just discovered by someone else in the other #debian, devs are working on it |
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| 23:36.54 | abrotman | mil0: so it's an LVM issue? |
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| 23:37.06 | g_ | sney: ok thanks, any estimated time for fix? i'm waiting on it! |
| 23:37.37 | sney | dunno, I'm just relaying the message |
| 23:37.49 | Pikel | is b43-fwcutter in a non-standard repo? I'm in a pickle and needing it (the docs I've found say it |
| 23:37.53 | mil0 | abrotman: I don't think so. Because probably LVM can't find volume groups because device /dev/sda doesn't exist |
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| 23:38.08 | g_ | sney: ok thanks |
| 23:38.09 | Pikel | it's supprted to be available w/ apt-get/aptitude |
| 23:38.19 | sney | Pikel: it's in contrib |
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| 23:38.40 | mil0 | abrotman: only /dev/sdb /dev/sdb1 and /dev/disk/by-uuid/$link-to-dev-sdb1 |
| 23:38.43 | abrotman | mil0: but you said dmesg sees it ? |
| 23:38.52 | mil0 | abrotman: yes |
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| 23:40.21 | mil0 | abrotman: dmesg writes, that both raid controllers were detected (SAS and SCSI), it sees it as [sda] and [sdb] and also has detected partitions |
| 23:40.35 | abrotman | should there not be partitions ? |
| 23:40.58 | jhutchins | mil0: What are you using lvm for anyway? |
| 23:40.59 | mil0 | yes, they should be there of course |
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| 23:41.41 | mil0 | abrotman: problem is, that in /dev I see only sdb and sdb1 and uuid for sdb* |
| 23:41.55 | mil0 | abrotman: there is not sda* |
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| 23:42.50 | abrotman | and no clue why in dmesg or syslog ? |
| 23:42.55 | mil0 | jhutchins: because when we need we buy HDD into free bays -> expands array and via lvm I can expand partitions ... |
| 23:42.55 | rjsalts | so wheezy will support multiarch for binaries, but I was wondering what the deal was with multiarch libraries in squeeze? |
| 23:43.15 | jhutchins | rjsalts: There's a deal? |
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| 23:43.52 | rjsalts | jhutchins, I was wondering if there is a way to install amd64 libraries on i386 system without a chroot |
| 23:43.58 | sako | hmm so the only way to see what items are autostarted is to look through all rc*.d directories? |
| 23:44.10 | Pikel | sney: forgive me, I'm new to debian, how do I fetch from contrib? |
| 23:44.15 | mil0 | abrotman: nothing in dmesg :-( ...syslog is not running, because only rootfs is available ... |
| 23:44.18 | streuner | sney: rcconf |
| 23:44.42 | abrotman | oh yes. |
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| 23:44.53 | streuner | judd, file rcconf |
| 23:44.58 | judd | rcconf in squeeze/i386: rcconf: usr/sbin/rcconf |
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| 23:45.09 | streuner | dpkg, info rcconf |
| 23:45.23 | themill | ,info rcconf |
| 23:45.26 | judd | Package rcconf (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: Debian Runlevel configuration tool. Version: 2.5; Size: 23.3k; Installed: 132k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/rcconf |
| 23:45.31 | themill | streuner: just use judd... |
| 23:45.38 | mil0 | dmesg writes about ext3 on rootfs and after that LVM no volume groups detected and it hangs, because it can't mount partitions from LVM ... |
| 23:45.47 | streuner | themill: hm, thanks. |
| 23:45.48 | dpkg | rcconf: (Debian Runlevel configuration tool), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.5 (sid), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 132 kB |
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| 23:58.18 | Slie | Who all here uses the official debian? |
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| 23:58.44 | Dark_Wolf | I do |
| 23:58.46 | themill | Slie: presumably most peopole here, given that this is #debian... |
| 23:58.48 | streuner | we are ALL uses officiall Debian |
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| 23:59.18 | streuner | Slie: please rephrase the question again |
| 23:59.23 | Slie | Lol justa maken sure much appreciated |
| 23:59.43 | Dark_Wolf | hmm |
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| 23:59.55 | Dark_Wolf | Is it pronounced daybeein? |