| 00:00.10 | abrotman | Deb-Ian |
| 00:00.12 | daemonkeeper | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian Read the first sentence. |
| 00:00.22 | thingfish | deb as in Deborah, ian as in Ian |
| 00:00.27 | Slie | I just wanted to see the response, figured people might use mint or ubuntu... |
| 00:00.33 | Dark_Wolf | Well that's not cool |
| 00:00.45 | streuner | Slie: surely not |
| 00:00.45 | daemonkeeper | This is Debian, not mint or Ubuntu support. |
| 00:00.48 | Dark_Wolf | Slie: then they wouldn't be in here :P |
| 00:00.54 | streuner | Slie: most people uses Debian |
| 00:02.22 | Slie | Dark_wolf, shouldn't have asked ha ha thanks for the answers. |
| 00:02.29 | streuner | Slie: i use some other OSs as well, but my prefered OS is Debian |
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| 00:02.41 | sney | I even use windows sometimes |
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| 00:03.30 | Dark_Wolf | I use Ubuntu for desktop, Debian for server |
| 00:03.41 | Dark_Wolf | though the server is kind of broken. |
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| 00:04.00 | streuner | you should ask then questions... |
| 00:04.18 | abrotman | them ? |
| 00:04.31 | streuner | Dark_Wolf: if you have questions, just ask |
| 00:04.34 | Slie | I think I'm going to use Debian to learn To mess with the kernel and such with |
| 00:04.43 | streuner | just start |
| 00:05.02 | Dark_Wolf | streuner: I've only been asking the same question all day |
| 00:05.05 | Pikel | how do I pull from a contrib and/or non-free repo (sorry for the noob questions but I am new to debian but not *nix) |
| 00:05.08 | Dark_Wolf | literally, ALL DAY xD |
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| 00:05.23 | Slie | Do you gues have an automated install file or do you just do it manually? |
| 00:05.42 | abrotman | you can automate it |
| 00:06.01 | rww | !non-free sources | Pikel |
| 00:06.21 | streuner | Dark_Wolf: sure, but thats what you have with ALL OSs... |
| 00:06.22 | rww | !non-free sources |
| 00:06.22 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 00:06.39 | themill | Slie: just like answering irc questions -- it's all automated. As long as we keep paying the power bills, abrotman will keep auto-answering. |
| 00:06.47 | abrotman | yay! |
| 00:06.54 | Dark_Wolf | Now I will ask again! What could cause a "GRUB read error" when starting the system on a clean install? |
| 00:06.56 | streuner | Dark_Wolf: tell me ONE OS where you dont have any problems at all... |
| 00:07.10 | abrotman | streuner: we only care about one here ... |
| 00:07.10 | Dark_Wolf | streuner: none, why? |
| 00:07.15 | rww | I don't have any problems on Debian... ;) |
| 00:07.27 | streuner | abrotman: (rhetoric question...) |
| 00:07.40 | streuner | rww: hehe :-) |
| 00:07.43 | Dark_Wolf | streuner: did you misunderstand something somewhere? |
| 00:07.53 | Dark_Wolf | I'm just here for help fixing my Debian install |
| 00:07.59 | streuner | yeah |
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| 00:08.27 | streuner | well, grub errors are very rare |
| 00:08.34 | strtrcks | Hi! |
| 00:08.47 | strtrcks | Anyone with saa713x tuner? |
| 00:08.52 | sney | !anyone |
| 00:08.52 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 00:09.12 | strtrcks | Aw, k |
| 00:09.35 | strtrcks | So, i wanna know how can i get sound of my old Flytv platinum FM |
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| 00:10.00 | streuner | recommends OSS4 |
| 00:10.05 | strtrcks | no, i dont wanna connect tuner sound out to soundcard line-in |
| 00:10.09 | streuner | if ALSA doesnt work |
| 00:10.21 | strtrcks | saa7134-alsa loaded |
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| 00:10.30 | strtrcks | tda modules loaded |
| 00:10.46 | strtrcks | tda is the tuner chip if i know right |
| 00:10.56 | FireflyST | when netinstall prompts for missing firmware, where does it look for it on a flash drive? |
| 00:11.18 | streuner | default is /lib/firmware |
| 00:11.31 | streuner | just install it there |
| 00:11.34 | strtrcks | and i dont wanna use sox, cuz sound gets delayed over time |
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| 00:12.00 | FireflyST | will that work on a fat32 formatted device? |
| 00:12.23 | streuner | Debian just look at /lib/firmware |
| 00:12.24 | strtrcks | btw the good part is with sox, i can apply a compressor so advertisements wont be loud |
| 00:13.09 | dvs | hmmm... the install guide says to extract the firmware tar file to the firmware directory |
| 00:14.14 | streuner | and thats prolly not FAT32 |
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| 00:15.44 | attila_lendvai | hi! if I need to install fglrx-driver 10-11 on squeeze, and I can't find this specific version in the repos... then what can I do? (running the scripts from amd.com is broken, so that's not an option) |
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| 00:16.07 | attila_lendvai | is struggling with opencl stuff... |
| 00:18.10 | msdin | Hi, I'm trying to upgrade from lenny to squeeze but I'm having a problem with the kernel. Is it possible to use the lenny kernel in squeeze? |
| 00:18.51 | rjsalts | msdin, as long as you don't use udev from squeeze |
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| 00:19.14 | rjsalts | msdin, but you have to make sure you upgrade both at once |
| 00:19.22 | abrotman | msdin: what's wrong with the kernel ? |
| 00:19.24 | sney | yeah. upgrade kernel and udev, then upgrade the rest. |
| 00:19.33 | msdin | I followed the upgrade procedure on debian.org and installed the new kernel and udev already |
| 00:19.59 | sney | and then what did you do |
| 00:20.05 | msdin | The lenny kernel boots fine (with squeeze udev installed) |
| 00:20.33 | msdin | sney: I rebooted but got a kernel panic. |
| 00:20.48 | msdin | sney: I haven't done the dist-upgrade step yet. |
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| 00:22.13 | msdin | abrotman: The kernel panic is related to mpt bios (its an old poweredge 1750) |
| 00:23.08 | sney | old bios woes? maybe try booting with noapic nolapic |
| 00:23.21 | rjsalts | msdin: did it give any warnings about missing firmware when doing the initrd image for the new kernel? |
| 00:23.24 | msdin | abrotman: As far as I can tell mtpbase times out, then the kernel panics |
| 00:24.20 | msdin | sney: I tried noapic (didn't work), I'll try nolapic. I'm waiting to get some floppies to upgrade the bios |
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| 00:24.59 | msdin | rjsalts: yes, but I installed firmware-linux-nonfree and reinstalled the kernel and no more warnings. |
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| 00:28.43 | msdin | sney: If I keep running the lenny kernel and do the dist-upgrade do you know if I'll have any problems? |
| 00:29.14 | sney | you probably will. maybe try the 2.6.32 from lenny-backports? |
| 00:30.10 | msdin | sney: how do I install that on my half upgraded system? |
| 00:30.21 | sney | download the .deb and dpkg -i |
| 00:30.27 | sney | it's a kernel, it doesn't have dependencies |
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| 00:30.50 | msdin | sney: should I uninstall the squeeze version first? |
| 00:31.17 | themill | ,depends linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 00:31.17 | judd | Package linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 -- depends: module-init-tools, linux-base (>= 2.6.32-30), initramfs-tools (>= 0.55) | linux-initramfs-tool. |
| 00:31.40 | sney | nah, leave it for now. it won't conflict with anything just sitting there on the disk, and you might need the .config later, maybe |
| 00:32.13 | sney | themill: obviously I meant it doesn't have any dependencies that he wouldn't already have. lenny-backports kernel will not require anything additional on a system that is still fundamentally lenny |
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| 00:32.40 | themill | linux-base, libuuid-perl and a couple of other things are needed |
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| 00:33.31 | msdin | sney: but if I install that won't it conflict with the squeeze version? or overwrite it or something? how about things like modules? |
| 00:33.32 | Slie | So something wired happened, just installed Debian, tried to get it as automated as possible. But it never asked me what to name the machine and it auto named it Ubuntu... And I'm booting an Ubuntu kernel....? |
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| 00:34.10 | thewanderer1 | Slie: that's not good... it normally takes hostnames from DHCP if possible, but Ubuntu kernel?! |
| 00:34.11 | simonrvn | msdin: they only do that if they're made to do so explicitly |
| 00:34.17 | simonrvn | msdin: so no |
| 00:34.23 | sney | msdin: essentially, 2.6.32 is 2.6.32 - and the version in backports has been an effective halfway patch towards making the squeeze update work on a reluctant lenny system |
| 00:34.46 | rjsalts | anyone know if there is a lib64gmp32c for amd64? |
| 00:35.13 | rjsalts | or how I'd modify the sources to make it generate 64 bit library as well? |
| 00:35.27 | mil0 | where are deffined "rules" about creating /dev/sd* devices in /dev/ based on detected hardware? |
| 00:35.37 | Slie | thewanderer1: yeah it pulled some stuff dhcp so I looked at my kernel and yep it's ubuntu kernel alright! |
| 00:36.06 | Slie | I'll just redo it thanks ha ha |
| 00:36.10 | msdin | sney: how will that effect future updates? |
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| 00:36.39 | thewanderer1 | mil0: /etc/udev/rules.d and /lib/udev/rules.d |
| 00:36.40 | izaac | is there a workaround for using debootstrap (pbuilder) in amd64 and not get this error? E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-amd64/Packages |
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| 00:37.32 | sney | msdin: I can't see the future, sorry. but it'd be best used as a means to get the system working at 2.6.32 and then attempt to wrench the actual squeeze kernel into place, likely by rebuilding it without whatever option is causing your problem |
| 00:37.50 | mil0 | thewanderer1: yes, I know...but nothing else? |
| 00:38.06 | strtrcks | so nothing to the tuner card sound problem? |
| 00:38.19 | thewanderer1 | mil0: not really |
| 00:38.35 | msdin | sney: ok, maybe I'll give that a try if the bios update doesn't fix it. |
| 00:39.03 | msdin | simonrvn: thanks! |
| 00:39.26 | msdin | sney: thanks! bye... |
| 00:40.15 | nutron | anyone know why/how openoffice (in lenny unfortunately, haven't updated the app server yet because I need to overcome xorg idiocy) decides what my default email configuration is? under preferred apps in gnome , icedove is selected, but when asking openoffice to send via email, it complains that it can't find a default config for an email client. How to fix? |
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| 00:40.25 | nutron | googles again while awaiting enlightenment |
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| 00:42.03 | mil0 | thewanderer1: ok, thank you |
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| 00:43.19 | pundit | what program or ps-viewer does the system use to display manpages, after they are formatted with groff and before they are diplayed with the pager (less)? |
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| 00:45.42 | nutron | it's set to sensible-ooomua... wth provides that? |
| 00:45.45 | nutron | :/ |
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| 00:46.25 | larry___ | When I run blkid I am getting expired results, is there a way to refresh this? |
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| 00:47.35 | strtrcks | nutron, update-alternatives couldnt help? |
| 00:47.42 | nutron | strtrcks: nein, nothin' there. |
| 00:47.50 | nutron | peruses bugs |
| 00:48.44 | mdik | hi. i need a script which fetches newspaper-articles, of which only the headline is delivered over rss |
| 00:48.49 | mdik | any hints? |
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| 00:50.15 | strtrcks | sensible-ooomua was the name of a Malaysian king |
| 00:50.18 | fergal32 | Hi everybody |
| 00:50.20 | nutron | hrrm, so.. how do I list all available alternatives? I don't know what debian calls a sensible mua.. |
| 00:50.30 | nutron | fires up man |
| 00:50.33 | nutron | meh, so much work :P |
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| 00:51.56 | strtrcks | did you try to select the binary of the email client at Tools/Options/Email? |
| 00:52.16 | strtrcks | in openoffice? |
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| 00:52.46 | strtrcks | Tools/options/internet/email, soz |
| 00:53.05 | nutron | strtrcks: yeah, but I'm applying this for hundreds of users, just wanted the link to point to icedove, I guess I could explicitly define it, it just didn't feel debian enough. |
| 00:53.08 | nutron | :P |
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| 00:54.22 | doda | why the linux-mag review focuses on the artwork for gods sake ? lol |
| 00:54.41 | strtrcks | searching in the content of config files after the name Icedove, then ask SSH to set it up? |
| 00:54.42 | doda | btw i just started using debian on an old laptop, thinkpad t23 |
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| 00:54.52 | strtrcks | or any login script? |
| 00:55.11 | doda | works great, except i need a good source of deb documentation :) |
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| 00:55.54 | abrotman | doda: debian.org has tons of links |
| 00:56.52 | doda | abrotman: yep, guess thats the problem, i'm used to archlinux with a single forum and a wiki |
| 00:57.02 | strtrcks | And who could help me? saa713x tv tuner, all modules loaded, i have picture, no sound, i have to reroute with sox.... |
| 00:57.16 | abrotman | there is wiki.debian.org .. but debian.org/doc is a good place to start also |
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| 00:57.21 | doda | googling i keep finding ubuntu how-too's that are unclean |
| 00:57.32 | doda | abrotman: aha :) |
| 00:57.33 | karlpinc | doda: New to debian? You might find the overview factoid helpful. |
| 00:57.34 | doda | tnx |
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| 00:57.39 | karlpinc | !tell doda about overview |
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| 00:58.14 | nsgn | goodevening. advice on a method for running a script when a specific network interface goes up or down (cable disconnect/connect)? i need to notify virtualbox of this |
| 00:58.15 | karlpinc | doda: The factoids are useful for quick help and provide links. YMMV. |
| 00:58.50 | strtrcks | Some black-magic? |
| 00:59.31 | doda | i can't find overview on the site map |
| 01:00.29 | karlpinc | doda: You type /msg dpkg overview into your irc client and it pm's you back. |
| 01:00.34 | nutron | strtrcks: that sounds like a familiar problem, the v4l2 mailing list discussed it quite a lot. |
| 01:00.35 | thewanderer1 | nsgn: `man interfaces` I guess |
| 01:00.51 | nutron | Not sure otherwise, I'm using PVR cards so, similar, yet different driver |
| 01:01.20 | strtrcks | and what had been the solution? |
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| 01:01.55 | strtrcks | "sell your card man, and buy whiskey about the price" |
| 01:02.11 | Slie | Will anyone help me with a command to refresh my repo sources? |
| 01:02.15 | ``y7 | i have debian 5.0 still installed on my server and when i do apt-get install update, it tells me that it can't find the package update. anybody know how i can fix this problem so i can update? |
| 01:02.23 | xk | lol |
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| 01:02.33 | xk | ``y7: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 01:02.39 | doda | karlpinc: yep, i know about all those, most of the time i just need "how to do $x in debian" how-tos :) |
| 01:02.54 | doda | but i guess i'l just hang out in here |
| 01:02.55 | karlpinc | !tell doda about readme.debian |
| 01:03.05 | dvs | Slie: aptitude update |
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| 01:03.20 | ``y7 | xk, that fixed the problem. thanks :p |
| 01:03.21 | doda | karlpinc: didn't know about that :) |
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| 01:04.08 | karlpinc | doda: You may want to read all of http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSoftware It's got all the stuff that I wish somebody had told me collected in one place. |
| 01:04.16 | Slie | Faild to exec method |
| 01:04.21 | insano | how can I see command history of a user? is there a log file? |
| 01:05.04 | strtrcks | Slie "apt-get update"? |
| 01:05.28 | nkuttler | insano: that depends on the shell and it's configuration.. |
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| 01:05.29 | Slie | strtrcks: yes |
| 01:05.29 | doda | karlpinc: added to bookmarks :) |
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| 01:05.54 | insano | nkuttler, bash |
| 01:05.56 | karlpinc | insano: In bash ~/.bash_history Otherwise rtfm the man page for your shell. |
| 01:06.17 | insano | karlpinc, thank you so much |
| 01:06.42 | nkuttler | insano: you shouldn't spy on your users. if you feel like you have to, you shouldn't have given them a shell in the first place.. |
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| 01:07.10 | strtrcks | Slie, are you sure about your sources.list? |
| 01:07.12 | insano | nkuttler, sure, I wont do that |
| 01:07.25 | strtrcks | logs? |
| 01:07.27 | ``y7 | xk, now i get this: http://pastebin.com/GnmcvjrM ideas? |
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| 01:08.09 | nkuttler | non-us? does that still exist? |
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| 01:08.33 | nkuttler | !tell ``y7 about non-us |
| 01:08.38 | ``y7 | thx |
| 01:08.38 | Slie | strtrcks: yeah I had to un comment out it's original sources because it couldn't set them on install |
| 01:08.39 | doughj3 | This may be a problem with my VPS provider but I figured I'd check here first. After changing my debian hostname and rebooting, the old hostname comes back. I have tried using both the "hostname" command as well as editing /etc/hostname. Thoughts? |
| 01:10.11 | ``y7 | can you do a !tell ``y7 about how to change the servers that debian updates/upgrades from? |
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| 01:10.29 | nkuttler | !tell ``y7 about mirrors |
| 01:10.35 | ``y7 | perfect. ty |
| 01:10.39 | karlpinc | !tell ``y7 about sources.list |
| 01:11.28 | nkuttler | doughj3: sounds like a hoster question, right |
| 01:11.40 | doughj3 | Yeah it may be the vps provider setting my hostname |
| 01:11.46 | doughj3 | I just figured I'd check here to make sure I'm doing it right. |
| 01:12.03 | karlpinc | doughj3: There's hostnames and dns names. You know the difference, right? |
| 01:12.09 | doughj3 | Yeah |
| 01:12.10 | nkuttler | doughj3: my hoster needs some init script to set the hostname properly... |
| 01:12.24 | doughj3 | I set hostname to "A.b.com" |
| 01:12.31 | doughj3 | hostname command outputs "a.b.com" |
| 01:12.33 | doughj3 | I reboot |
| 01:12.42 | doughj3 | hostname command outputs "d.org" and shell has root@d.org. |
| 01:12.59 | doughj3 | er, root@d, rather |
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| 01:13.33 | doughj3 | it's not a huge deal of course. |
| 01:13.41 | pundit | why are manpages displayed with the pager "less" if they are formatted only with "groff -mandoc" according to /etc/manpath.config, which does produce a postscript output? |
| 01:15.44 | ``y7 | "Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list." <---- how do i run that? |
| 01:16.19 | dan- | ``y7, you can just use apt instead of aptitude |
| 01:16.34 | ``y7 | so that's just talking about apt-get update? |
| 01:16.38 | dan- | yes |
| 01:16.42 | ``y7 | perfect. ty |
| 01:18.00 | ``y7 | now i get: E: Malformed line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist) |
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| 01:18.04 | oldskoolpulsar | hi guys |
| 01:18.07 | ``y7 | after attempting apt-get update |
| 01:18.16 | oldskoolpulsar | does lxc work fine on ppc platform |
| 01:18.19 | oldskoolpulsar | ? |
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| 01:19.31 | nkuttler | what's with the new stable release notes recommending apt-get over aptitude anyway? why the switch back? |
| 01:19.47 | dvs | nkuttler: just for the upgrade |
| 01:19.55 | larry___ | lol funny I never used aptitude anyway |
| 01:19.58 | nkuttler | hm, that's rather odd |
| 01:20.21 | parabyte | i never use aptitude myself always the apt utils |
| 01:20.22 | parabyte | personally |
| 01:20.31 | larry___ | same |
| 01:20.39 | parabyte | just easier to understand |
| 01:20.40 | parabyte | lol |
| 01:20.44 | parabyte | and what i know |
| 01:20.49 | larry___ | Yeah console guis FTL |
| 01:20.50 | nkuttler | muscle memory. apt-get forevar :D |
| 01:20.58 | parabyte | any of you guys know what my milage with lxc be on debian 5 with ppc |
| 01:21.03 | parabyte | im half tempted to try bsd |
| 01:21.06 | parabyte | :O |
| 01:21.20 | larry___ | ppc :X |
| 01:22.19 | ``y7 | is it possible that my OS is so old that the updates are no longer available on the debian servers? |
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| 01:22.48 | nkuttler | ``y7: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 01:23.01 | nkuttler | ``y7: and, yes, absolutely |
| 01:23.02 | ``y7 | 5.0.4 |
| 01:23.30 | nkuttler | that looks a little outdated, but should still be fine |
| 01:23.48 | nkuttler | ``y7: but non-us has been dead for years |
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| 01:24.03 | ``y7 | i switched it to: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
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| 01:24.19 | nkuttler | ``y7: and? |
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| 01:24.37 | dvs | ``y7: change "stable" to "squeeze" |
| 01:24.44 | ``y7 | Reading Package Lists... Error! |
| 01:24.44 | ``y7 | E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages (1) |
| 01:24.44 | ``y7 | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 01:25.17 | ``y7 | i changed to squeeze, try updating again |
| 01:25.18 | ``y7 | ? |
| 01:25.25 | nkuttler | ``y7: pastebin your sources.list |
| 01:25.56 | ``y7 | http://pastebin.com/0JaBWZCd |
| 01:26.38 | ``y7 | nkuttler, i haven't tried it yet with "squeeze" in place of "stable" |
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| 01:27.02 | nkuttler | so, you paste a file you haven't tested yet? .. |
| 01:27.07 | dvs | ``y7: also try "http://ftp.us.debian.org" |
| 01:27.28 | nkuttler | the us mirror seems to work fine for me |
| 01:27.41 | dan- | ``y7, run an apt-get update |
| 01:27.47 | ``y7 | it's running now |
| 01:27.51 | ``y7 | appears to be working |
| 01:28.02 | ``y7 | the squeeze over stable seemed to fix it |
| 01:28.13 | ``y7 | it just failed |
| 01:28.20 | nkuttler | hmm. try with stable again. that should be a symlink on the server |
| 01:28.25 | dan- | what does it says? |
| 01:28.33 | ``y7 | Reading Package Lists... Error! |
| 01:28.33 | ``y7 | E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_squeeze_main_binary-i386_Packages (1) |
| 01:28.33 | ``y7 | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 01:28.52 | dvs | ``y7: you changes only one stable |
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| 01:29.26 | ``y7 | ah, i didn't know i had to do both. i'll retry with both stables replaced |
| 01:29.46 | dan- | its not that the problem |
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| 01:29.54 | ``y7 | same error again |
| 01:29.55 | dan- | just use deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
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| 01:30.02 | dan- | instead the first line |
| 01:30.06 | ``y7 | take out the security updates line? |
| 01:30.09 | dan- | nope |
| 01:30.09 | ``y7 | ok, will try |
| 01:30.10 | dan- | not atm |
| 01:30.38 | dan- | if you get an error on that line youve to put squeeze/updates instead of stable/updates |
| 01:31.04 | ``y7 | i left squeeze/updates and inserted that line instead of the first |
| 01:31.05 | dvs | dan-: there's no country code in your url (e.g. ftp.us.debian.org) |
| 01:31.18 | dan- | dvs, then? |
| 01:31.26 | dan- | ``y7, yeah |
| 01:31.50 | ``y7 | dan-, same error. you want me to change squeeze/updates to stable/updates ? |
| 01:31.54 | dan- | yes |
| 01:32.02 | dan- | err not |
| 01:32.12 | dan- | paste your sources.list |
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| 01:32.16 | dan- | cause it works to me |
| 01:32.29 | ``y7 | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 01:32.29 | ``y7 | deb http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
| 01:32.53 | dvs | ``y7: I don't think there's a non-free for security |
| 01:33.06 | dan- | ``y7, deb http://security.debian.org/debian squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
| 01:33.30 | ``y7 | dan-, that line only, or that line in place of the second? |
| 01:33.39 | dan- | the 2nd you said |
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| 01:34.17 | bosyak | hi all |
| 01:34.23 | ``y7 | result: http://pastebin.com/jwnzsfn2 |
| 01:35.14 | ``y7 | 5.0.4 is super old... the servers i'm trying probably don't have the updates available anymore :( |
| 01:35.36 | bosyak | how to use second desktop? I enabled "single display desktop" (Multi-desktop) but can't find how to drag to it something?! |
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| 01:36.03 | dan- | ``y7, try this, put a # at the beginning of the 2nd line |
| 01:36.23 | ``y7 | Reading Package Lists... Error! |
| 01:36.23 | ``y7 | E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_squeeze_main_binary-i386_Packages (1) |
| 01:36.23 | ``y7 | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 01:36.28 | dan- | again? wtf |
| 01:36.47 | ``y7 | the last time this was updated was probably 4 years ago |
| 01:36.48 | leahcim | suggests: head /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_squeeze_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 01:37.18 | dan- | ``y7, doesnt matter |
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| 01:38.13 | ``y7 | there's nothing inbetween updating the sources.list and apt-get update? |
| 01:38.41 | dvs | ``y7: http://pastebin.com/L9LbtBFj |
| 01:38.46 | dvs | use that |
| 01:39.20 | dan- | its the same thing |
| 01:39.26 | dan- | its not a mirror problem |
| 01:39.54 | ``y7 | some of them fetch packages and then fail, while others fail immediately. |
| 01:40.04 | ``y7 | not sure if that tells you guys anything worth knowing |
| 01:40.05 | dan- | ``y7, try with an apt-get clean |
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| 01:40.38 | dan- | ``y7, and an apt-get autoclean too |
| 01:40.53 | ``y7 | those cmds by themselves though, correct? |
| 01:41.01 | ``y7 | dvs, your lines failed |
| 01:41.01 | dan- | yeah |
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| 01:41.10 | dan- | apt-get clean && apt-get autoclean |
| 01:41.27 | ``y7 | y7:~# apt-get clean |
| 01:41.27 | ``y7 | y7:~# apt-get autoclean |
| 01:41.27 | ``y7 | Reading Package Lists... Error! |
| 01:41.27 | ``y7 | E: Unable to parse package file /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_squeeze_main_binary-i386_Packages (1) |
| 01:41.27 | ``y7 | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
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| 01:41.41 | dan- | lol |
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| 01:42.18 | dan- | ``y7, can you post the output of cat /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_squeeze_main_binary-i386_Packages ? |
| 01:42.24 | ``y7 | http://pastebin.com/ZLZK6sA4 |
| 01:43.13 | ``y7 | is there a way i can send that output to a file in the os? when i run it, it spams pages and pages |
| 01:43.30 | dan- | cat /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_squeeze_main_binary-i386_Packages > name_file |
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| 01:45.02 | abrotman | maybe he shuld just try another mirror ? |
| 01:45.15 | dan- | nope, its not a mirror issue |
| 01:45.19 | ``y7 | it seems to connet to the mirror because it downloads |
| 01:45.37 | dvs | /var is full? |
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| 01:46.53 | dan- | ``y7, do this: nano /etc/hosts |
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| 01:47.19 | mentor | Feck, I've completely hosed my root filesystem |
| 01:47.29 | ``y7 | dan-: http://pastebin.com/Y8KFPkKR |
| 01:47.34 | dvs | mentor: Frack! |
| 01:47.47 | dan- | ``y7, nano /etc/hosts |
| 01:47.53 | mentor | I've only got an instance of zsh and xchat left |
| 01:48.13 | ``y7 | dan-, i did that and posted you the results in that pastebin: http://pastebin.com/Y8KFPkKR |
| 01:48.24 | dan- | ``y7, nope, youve to write something there |
| 01:48.37 | dan- | just open that file with nano and paste these lines: |
| 01:48.44 | dan- | 130.89.149.226 ftp.debian.org |
| 01:48.45 | dan- | 128.31.0.36 security.debian.org |
| 01:48.57 | ``y7 | paste them at top, bottom, anywhere? |
| 01:49.07 | dan- | anywhere but both on a new line |
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| 01:49.31 | abrotman | don't use ftp.debian.org .. it's a horrible mirror |
| 01:49.44 | ``y7 | i did it, but when i went back into the file, it didn't keep one of them |
| 01:49.44 | dvs | agrees |
| 01:49.55 | ``y7 | it erased the 130.x line |
| 01:49.57 | Makuew | how can i delete a user with htdigest? |
| 01:50.21 | dan- | ``y7, did you close it with CTRL + X then Y? |
| 01:50.33 | ``y7 | i used joe and it worked |
| 01:50.36 | ``y7 | not used to nano |
| 01:50.39 | dan- | kk |
| 01:50.39 | ``y7 | ok, now apt-get update? |
| 01:50.48 | dan- | paste the sources.list first |
| 01:51.25 | ``y7 | sources.list: http://pastebin.com/1gbcFsTa |
| 01:51.44 | dan- | take of the us thingy |
| 01:51.50 | dan- | it has to be ftp.debian.org |
| 01:52.11 | mentor | tries to work out how to shut down the computer |
| 01:52.16 | abrotman | ftp.debian.org is a HORRIBLE mirror |
| 01:52.26 | ``y7 | new list: http://pastebin.com/kFTpg7fd |
| 01:52.28 | dan- | abrotman, why so? |
| 01:52.29 | abrotman | mentor: sysreq ? |
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| 01:52.34 | abrotman | !ftp.debian.org |
| 01:52.34 | dpkg | ftp.debian.org is not the principal mirror for Debian. It is just one mirror that uses bandwidth that was donated to the Debian project; you are kindly requested not to use this mirror but to instead use a mirror that is closer to you. Use a local mirror instead, ask me about <mirrors>. See http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror#wherefrom for more information. |
| 01:52.36 | dan- | ``y7, yes |
| 01:52.51 | abrotman | no one should use it |
| 01:53.00 | abrotman | or rather .. no one that has half a brain ? |
| 01:53.07 | dan- | abrotman, its just for a try? |
| 01:53.20 | abrotman | dan-: why not give him the uga mirror that is near him ? |
| 01:53.32 | mentor | What country is he in? |
| 01:53.36 | ``y7 | usa |
| 01:53.51 | abrotman | he's in Florida .. uga is a six hours over land from him |
| 01:54.06 | dan- | abrotman, to exclude a mirror problem? its just a try dude, no need to be so freak about mirrors |
| 01:54.08 | abrotman | eight ? |
| 01:54.34 | abrotman | or just give him a decent mirror to start with |
| 01:54.51 | dan- | its not a problem now |
| 01:54.58 | dan- | after he'll get it to work we'll change mirror |
| 01:54.58 | mentor | abrotman: Forgive me, I would netcat to google and do the search manually, but it seems netcat isn't available either; what's the key sequence? |
| 01:55.06 | mentor | REISUB? |
| 01:55.10 | abrotman | !sysreq |
| 01:55.24 | ``y7 | dan-, results: http://pastebin.com/wznZjZqK |
| 01:55.29 | abrotman | !sysrq |
| 01:55.30 | dpkg | [sysrq] Alt-PrintScreen-[Key]. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try [Key] with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key and http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysrq.txt . See also <sysrqd>. |
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| 01:56.05 | mentor | abrotman: thnaks |
| 01:56.37 | Slie | My thumbdrive won't mount dmesg says no anchor found no partition found unable to identify cd-rom format any ideas reformated it and it still works in windows |
| 01:56.40 | dan- | ``y7, try rm /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_squeeze_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 01:57.10 | ``y7 | that looked to have worked |
| 01:57.20 | dan- | try to upgrade now |
| 01:57.24 | dan- | err |
| 01:57.24 | dan- | update |
| 01:57.25 | ``y7 | k |
| 01:59.15 | ``y7 | it failed |
| 01:59.24 | dan- | same exact reason? |
| 01:59.47 | ``y7 | yes |
| 01:59.54 | nsgn | anyone on running a script when a lan cable is plugged in, and then a different script when it is unplugged? i just extensively worked with man interfaces and could not get a valid solution from this |
| 02:00.11 | dan- | ``y7, try rm /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_squeeze_main_binary-i386_Packages\ (1) |
| 02:00.38 | ksx4system | anybody here has strange issues with vsftpd? two non-root users, one gets correct chmod (755 dirs, 644 files - umask 0022) via umask parameters, the other one gets wrong chmods (700 dirs, 600 files) |
| 02:00.55 | ``y7 | dan-: http://pastebin.com/MxnQBw93 |
| 02:01.10 | Slie | actually it won't boot any usb? |
| 02:01.15 | ksx4system | Debian 5.0 and latest vsftpd from repository |
| 02:01.19 | dan- | ``y7, rm /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_* |
| 02:01.40 | ``y7 | rm: cannot remove `/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_*': No such file or directory |
| 02:02.19 | dan- | ``y7, cd /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 02:02.29 | dan- | do a ls and pastebin it |
| 02:02.52 | ``y7 | http://pastebin.com/2CLvhCK9 |
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| 02:03.44 | dan- | ``y7, rm ftp* security* |
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| 02:03.56 | ``y7 | done |
| 02:04.30 | ``y7 | when i do ls, all that's left is the one line: look partial |
| 02:04.37 | ``y7 | lock* |
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| 02:05.14 | dan- | ``y7, apt-get update |
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| 02:05.32 | ``y7 | that txt file i made for you a while back is 31mb |
| 02:05.38 | ``y7 | how do you want me to send that to you? |
| 02:05.42 | dan- | lol nvm |
| 02:05.49 | dan- | you can remove it |
| 02:05.51 | ``y7 | k |
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| 02:06.54 | MindWarper | debian puts ubuntu to shame |
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| 02:07.08 | MindWarper | its so much better |
| 02:07.24 | parabyte | it just works properly |
| 02:07.32 | parabyte | but ubuntu has the bleeding edge for desktops |
| 02:07.42 | ScottG | I get this error from skype "ALSA lib ../../src/dlmisc.c:236:(snd1_dlobj_cache_get) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib32/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_bluetooth.so" The problem is that libasound_module_pcm_bluetooth.so is in /usr/lib/ not /usr/lib32. Would the best way to remedy this be to create the symlink /usr/lib32/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_bluetooth.so that points to /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_bluetooth.so ? |
| 02:07.44 | parabyte | debian in my own personal opinion high end workstation server os |
| 02:08.18 | MindWarper | and now they are going their own unity way |
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| 02:08.33 | amphi | ScottG: you are on amd64? |
| 02:08.40 | ScottG | amphi: Yes |
| 02:08.53 | amphi | ScottG: then no |
| 02:09.20 | ScottG | amphi: bluez-alsa just doesn't have amd64 support? |
| 02:09.21 | ``y7 | dan-: http://pastebin.com/4tghmKJU |
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| 02:09.52 | amphi | ScottG: if you do file /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_bluetooth.so you'll see it's 64 bit |
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| 02:10.24 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 02:10.31 | ScottG | amphi: So what exactly is the problem? |
| 02:10.34 | ZenWalker | where is the nautilus' history? |
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| 02:11.13 | amphi | you don't have a 32-bit libasound_module_pcm_bluetooth.so installed, AFAIKS |
| 02:11.16 | Slie | Anyone know why my fresh distro won't mount any thumbdrive i have? |
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| 02:11.26 | amphi | I haven't tried to run 32bit stuff here |
| 02:12.10 | ScottG | amphi: So basically skype needs a 32 bit version? |
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| 02:12.47 | ScottG | amphi: I know I have some old sketchy version of skype. It was the only one that could work on my system. I can't remember why. |
| 02:13.09 | amphi | ScottG: it needs 32bit versions of whatever shared libs it wants, AFAIK, yes |
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| 02:16.16 | ScottG | amphi: It seems that the only 64bit deb skype has is Ubuntu 8.10+ 64-bit. |
| 02:16.49 | ScottG | They havea tar too but I can't tell if that is 64bit or not |
| 02:17.06 | amphi | ScottG: I wot not of skype, I'm afraid |
| 02:17.20 | ScottG | hm? |
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| 02:20.07 | opakavic | i'm getting while installing nvidia drivers, from debian repos ! |
| 02:20.09 | nsadmin | wot not, with a bot? |
| 02:20.22 | opakavic | nsadmin: ! |
| 02:20.24 | opakavic | hi |
| 02:20.33 | nsadmin | i fot a bot... |
| 02:20.38 | nsadmin | and the bot won! |
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| 02:21.46 | opakavic | nsadmin: i'm getting error, "error while inserting module" is due to nvidia driver installation |
| 02:22.06 | nsadmin | hmm, |
| 02:22.10 | opakavic | i'm in squeeze now, upgraded from lenny |
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| 02:22.24 | Arrowmaster | ScottG: do you have ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk installed? |
| 02:22.36 | nsadmin | you probably need to regenerate the nvidia module |
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| 02:23.05 | Arrowmaster | !nvidia dkms |
| 02:23.05 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>. |
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| 02:23.35 | ScottG | Arrowmaster: Both |
| 02:23.38 | ScottG | Yes |
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| 02:25.19 | opakavic | info, uname shows that, 2.6.32-5, hmm, thank yo letmme check the details now |
| 02:25.31 | ZenWalker | nas |
| 02:26.26 | ZenWalker | hay alguna manera de evitar que se registre el historial de nautilus? |
| 02:26.38 | ZenWalker | es decir, desactivarlo |
| 02:26.57 | ZitZ | Hi, I'm using the nvidia drivers with the liquorix 2.6.37 kernel, and whenever I try to startx, I get xinit: connection to X server lost? Any ideas? |
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| 02:27.45 | Arrowmaster | ZitZ: using the nvidia dkms package? |
| 02:27.54 | ZitZ | yes, i am arrowmaster |
| 02:28.04 | Arrowmaster | what version of xorg? |
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| 02:28.08 | ScottG | Arrowmaster: Why do you ask? |
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| 02:28.23 | Seppoz | hello, my console is always on the display instad of the terminal |
| 02:28.24 | ZitZ | how do i get the xorg version? what command? |
| 02:28.27 | Seppoz | how can i change this? |
| 02:28.37 | opakavic | ZitZ: startx |
| 02:28.45 | ZitZ | it's the version from wheezy i know that |
| 02:29.13 | ZitZ | oh i could check the log, it's 2:1..7.7-11 |
| 02:29.16 | opakavic | !dpkg wheezy |
| 02:29.17 | dpkg | The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. Ask me about <testing>. |
| 02:30.18 | ZitZ | sometimes I also get mtrr errors in dmesg |
| 02:30.21 | Arrowmaster | oh, i just know the one in sid doesnt work with the nvidia drivers |
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| 02:30.39 | ZitZ | Arrowmaster, I noticed that, I had to downgrade |
| 02:30.54 | ZitZ | why is that? |
| 02:31.03 | rjsalts | ZitZ: the nvidia drivers from experimental work with sid |
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| 02:31.22 | ZitZ | I tried the experimental drivers with sid, same problem |
| 02:31.37 | Arrowmaster | i heard they worked for a while then broke again due to a name change in one of the dependancies |
| 02:32.35 | ZitZ | debian changes the names of packages way too often |
| 02:33.15 | Seppoz | please what is 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 doing? and whats the difference to T0:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L s3c2410_serial0 115200 vt100 |
| 02:33.44 | Getty | I'm the gateway between your display and keyboard to your system :) |
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| 02:34.25 | Getty | in the first example i'm used for the console, the direct keyboard/monitor of the computer, on the other example i'm bound to the serial port, for example to welcome a modem connection or a serial terminal |
| 02:34.34 | rjsalts | Seppoz: 1 and TO are just lables, that have to be unique and one is creating a getty on the first virtual terminal and the other is for a terminal over a serial line |
| 02:34.35 | Getty | :D |
| 02:34.49 | ZitZ | actually, i just reinstalled the xorg version from sid, now it is telling me that it can't load the nvidia module because it doesn't exist, and i'm using the nvidia drivers from experimental |
| 02:34.52 | laidback_01 | this is probably a case of java & openjdk not being the same thing... and etherpad not having enough users, but... is there an etherpad package in debian anymore? I used to have it in the debian 5.x release.. no more. |
| 02:34.55 | laidback_01 | using 6.0 now |
| 02:35.00 | Getty | rjsalts: may i explain myself? ;) lol j/k |
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| 02:36.16 | Seppoz | rjsalts: does serial means a console for user interactions? my current problem is that i dont get a terminal on the serial, just on the display |
| 02:36.20 | rjsalts | ZitZ: you have the nvidia dkms kernel stuff installed? |
| 02:36.20 | stew | laidback_01: i don't see one in 5.0 even |
| 02:36.43 | ZitZ | rjsalts: I should, I'll double check |
| 02:36.48 | laidback_01 | shoot... I guess it's gone. |
| 02:36.55 | laidback_01 | well... back to freebsd. |
| 02:36.57 | laidback_01 | thanks |
| 02:37.17 | ZitZ | rjsalts: nvidia-kernel-dkms is the newest version |
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| 02:38.09 | rjsalts | ZitZ: and lsmod is showing it loaded and/or modprobe able to load it? |
| 02:38.39 | ZitZ | rjsalts: modprobe can't load the nvidia module |
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| 02:38.57 | sako | hey guys so i am trying to understand what backports are... I want a newer version of nginx then there is in squeeze |
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| 02:39.08 | rjsalts | ZitZ: you have the kernel headers for the kernel you're running installed? |
| 02:39.13 | sako | is my only option at this point to just install nginx from source? |
| 02:39.44 | stew | sako: 0.8.54 is in sid, you could backport that with these instructions: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 02:39.51 | ZitZ | rjsalts: sorry, i was wrong, I CAN load it with modprobe, and lsmod shows it is loaded, yet startx still tells me it can't load teh module |
| 02:39.56 | sako | oh awesome! |
| 02:39.56 | opakavic | rjsalts: me too facing same problem what he is facing !, i'm in squeeze box |
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| 02:40.12 | stew | sako: which is basically taking the source from sid, then recompiling it against the libraries in squeeze and producing a deb (/msg dpkg backports) |
| 02:40.24 | ZitZ | and yes, the headers are installed |
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| 02:41.39 | sako | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports> |
| 02:41.43 | sako | im already lost.. |
| 02:41.47 | sako | lolll |
| 02:41.52 | FuseOnFire | is anyone able to have mental pictures or images in your mind? |
| 02:42.16 | rjsalts | ZitZ: and nvidia-glx has the same version as nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 02:43.16 | Seppoz | rjsalts: do you have any hint where i can read about the respawn and how to create a console on the serial? |
| 02:43.33 | ZitZ | rjsalts: I will check this, but they should be the same |
| 02:44.05 | rjsalts | Seppoz: respawn will just try and relaunch the process every time it exits |
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| 02:44.27 | Seppoz | rjsalts: so where would i select where the console gets created? |
| 02:45.14 | ZitZ | rjsalts: Ooops, It looks like when I try to install nvidia-glx from experimental it is telling me I have unmet dependencies, specifically, a version of xorg older than the one I have installed? |
| 02:45.57 | rjsalts | Seppoz: it sounds like you might be having problems with the arguments to getty |
| 02:46.16 | rjsalts | Seppoz: try testing it first without adding the lines into inittab |
| 02:46.36 | Seppoz | no respawns at all there? |
| 02:46.48 | parabyte | the lxc room is like a morge |
| 02:46.49 | parabyte | lol |
| 02:46.58 | parabyte | anyone know the statis of lxc on ppc debian current |
| 02:47.11 | parabyte | status |
| 02:47.14 | rjsalts | Seppoz: i.e. what you showed before seemed sane, but I'm not sure that /sbin/getty -L s3c2410_serial0 115200 vt100 will work, having not read the man page for getty in a long while |
| 02:48.03 | Seppoz | its just they say to use that, i will try to boot without any respawns now |
| 02:48.14 | Seppoz | i get all the boot stuff on the serial |
| 02:48.18 | Seppoz | just no console |
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| 02:48.59 | rjsalts | Seppoz: so leave that line out altogether, and see if you can get a getty running once, and then replace the respawn with the arguments you used to get that working |
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| 02:49.28 | Seppoz | i didnt have that line at first and didnt get a console, but i also dropped all the others now |
| 02:49.45 | Seppoz | INIT: no more processes left in this runlevel |
| 02:49.48 | Seppoz | it says now |
| 02:49.51 | Seppoz | but no console |
| 02:49.52 | Getty | yes! highlight me all the time! |
| 02:50.12 | Seppoz | heh :) |
| 02:50.13 | Getty | always on #debian and #xen.... :) |
| 02:51.14 | Seppoz | T0:2345 what does the number does there? |
| 02:51.20 | Seppoz | the order or so? |
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| 02:51.33 | ZitZ | why can't i install nvidia-glx in experimental? |
| 02:51.43 | rjsalts | Seppoz: T0 is a label, 2345 are the runlevels it's started at |
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| 02:51.51 | Seppoz | ahh ok |
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| 02:52.35 | rjsalts | ZitZ: I used aptitude curses interface to figure that out |
| 02:52.52 | Seppoz | do id guess that i passed the wrong parameters! |
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| 02:53.01 | Seppoz | gotta find a solution for them |
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| 02:55.52 | Seppoz | jippi |
| 02:55.55 | Seppoz | T0:123:respawn:/sbin/getty 115200 ttySAC0 worked |
| 02:56.00 | Seppoz | thank you very much |
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| 02:56.34 | Seppoz | now whats the default root password for squeeze? :P |
| 02:56.54 | rjsalts | Seppoz: there is none |
| 02:57.02 | dvs | Seppoz: the one you set when you installed it? |
| 02:57.05 | rww | the one you set during installation, unless you used expert mode and told it to disable the root account, in which case there isn't one. |
| 02:57.25 | rjsalts | Seppoz: you can always get it back with boot params |
| 02:57.25 | Seppoz | naaw i didnt install it, i used grip |
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| 02:59.10 | Seppoz | does it matter where i add the device in the securetty file? |
| 02:59.24 | Seppoz | i just added ttySAC0 |
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| 03:00.00 | Seppoz | rjsalts: may i ask what you mean by get it back by boot params? |
| 03:01.02 | rjsalts | Seppoz: in grub/lilo you edit the boot parameters, add an init=/bin/bash and change the ro to rw |
| 03:01.11 | Seppoz | ahh yea thats a plan |
| 03:01.13 | Seppoz | thanks |
| 03:01.16 | rjsalts | Seppoz: and you then reset the root password |
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| 03:01.37 | Seppoz | i bet i just have to enter a empty pass |
| 03:01.41 | Seppoz | and i get in ;P |
| 03:02.33 | Seppoz | nopes so i guess i will go for the reset, thanks again |
| 03:02.58 | dvs | reset? |
| 03:03.08 | rjsalts | dvs: password reset |
| 03:03.13 | dvs | oh ok |
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| 03:03.35 | Seppoz | but its strange that its not empty, since i nevers et it |
| 03:03.45 | Seppoz | maybe i failed at the security settings? |
| 03:04.07 | dvs | Seppoz: it probably wont accept any password |
| 03:04.24 | bp0 | anyone have Dell OpenManage running on 32-bit squeeze? |
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| 03:06.41 | Seppoz | can i cross reset it? |
| 03:06.49 | Seppoz | using htpasswd2 on the file or so? |
| 03:07.55 | Seppoz | where are the passes stored in squeeze? |
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| 03:10.29 | rainabba2 | I'm running Debian 6 live 32bit. From here, without optical media,how can I permanently install a 64bit version? |
| 03:11.05 | Seppoz | you can use a flash drive |
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| 03:11.33 | rainabba2 | I'm working on a tablet much like the Eee and have a 16GB USB drive (what i'm booted off now) and 32GB Class 10 SDHC which I can format entirely if needed. I'll be installing to a partition on the internal SSD. |
| 03:11.51 | Seppoz | rjsalts: the console trick worked thanks |
| 03:12.38 | rainabba2 | Seppoz: So yes, I could start from scratch (using a Windows Machine) with the 16GB drive, or setup the installer on the 32GB drive from this Live install I'm currently running. |
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| 03:12.51 | rainabba2 | I know it shouldn't be difficult, but I'm having problem after problem. |
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| 03:16.01 | rainabba2 | Ubuntu Live had a nice feature to "create a usb installer", but I want Debian so I'm trying to stay that route entirely thinking it will make life easier. |
| 03:16.30 | rainabba2 | I also have "debian-live-6.0.0-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso" already btw. |
| 03:16.31 | Seppoz | im really getting dizzy with that login... |
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| 03:17.46 | Seppoz | rjsalts: what if the passwd root claims it changed the pass but in reality it didnt? :P |
| 03:18.26 | dvs | raidghost: you can dd a 6.0 iso to a USB drive and install from that. |
| 03:18.41 | dvs | aw |
| 03:18.54 | dvs | rainabba2: you can dd a 6.0 iso to a USB drive and install from that. |
| 03:19.22 | rainabba2 | Yes, but how? |
| 03:19.50 | dvs | I just told you how. |
| 03:19.59 | rainabba2 | Sorry, I missed something. |
| 03:20.56 | dvs | rainabba2: You get a 6.0 iso image file, dd or copy that file to a USB flash drive. Then, boot from that flash drive to start the installer |
| 03:22.44 | Dewi | dvs: do many machines really support that? I've never had much luck in the past |
| 03:23.11 | Dewi | dvs: technically a USB storage device is expected to behave as a hard drive, not a CD-ROM |
| 03:23.19 | rainabba2 | I suspect just using dd to write the contents of the ISO would screw up the flash drives bootloader and copying the file doesn't tell the bootloader how to boot it. No? |
| 03:23.45 | Dewi | rainabba2: some systems do support it, I just have no idea how many |
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| 03:24.21 | dvs | Dewi: They managed to make a dual-format ISO image for CD and USB drives |
| 03:24.24 | dvs | with 6.0 |
| 03:25.12 | rww | which is awesome <3 |
| 03:25.16 | Dewi | dvs: nice |
| 03:25.23 | rainabba2 | So I can just dd if=debian.iso of=/deb/myflashdrive ? |
| 03:25.29 | rww | yes |
| 03:25.30 | dvs | rainabba: yes |
| 03:26.16 | td123 | nice job on debian 6 :) |
| 03:26.32 | dvs | way better than the old method |
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| 03:27.01 | rainabba2 | dvs: /dev/sdc (drive) or /dev/sdc1 (first partition)? |
| 03:27.11 | dvs | drive |
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| 03:29.09 | Seppoz | what could restrict the root user from loging in via terminal? |
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| 03:32.40 | Seppoz | hmm seems i can not log in with ANY user at the console.. |
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| 03:33.38 | montyboy_ | is debian-multimedia.org still the location to grab items such as acrobat reader? |
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| 03:35.22 | DanDare | Hello, im getting "W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA" While trying to 'apt-get update'. Any clue in how to fix this ? |
| 03:37.24 | abrotman | is your debian-archive-keyring up to date? |
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| 03:38.16 | DanDare | abrotman, you mean the /etc/apt/sources.list file ? |
| 03:38.42 | Bhavic | Hi all, would doing chmod 751 to /etc/, harm any files/programs or the general running of the system? |
| 03:38.57 | Bhavic | I'm trying to secure my system, and any guides/links would be appreciated |
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| 03:39.55 | DanDare | Bhavic, its not a good idea to chmod entire /etc like this. Some files needs types of permission that others wont etc |
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| 03:41.52 | abrotman | no .. it's a package |
| 03:42.05 | abrotman | judd: versions debian-archive-keyring |
| 03:42.07 | judd | Package debian-archive-keyring on i386 -- lenny: 2010.08.28~lenny1; sid: 2010.08.28; squeeze: 2010.08.28; wheezy: 2010.08.28 |
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| 03:43.11 | elik | Say I disallow root login in ssh, can I still login as somebody else and su as root? |
| 03:43.33 | un214 | usually |
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| 03:45.02 | elik | unixfg: hum, right... and in which case does it not allow it? |
| 03:45.29 | elik | unixfg: sorry, that was for un214 |
| 03:46.45 | montyboy_ | elik, yes, setting Permit Root Login to "no" will still allow the use of su |
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| 03:48.12 | elik | montyboy_: thank you |
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| 03:48.35 | t3a | is there a command that hits a key every x seconds |
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| 03:49.37 | karlpinc | Is there a way to get the cmp command into a pxebooted install environment (rescue-ish) without access to a hd fs? |
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| 03:50.23 | DrHouse|Alma | hello, im having a slight issue with dpkg-reconfigure, it acts extremly bonkers. First im unable to select anything in ncurses and it shows like this http://nasutek.com/~mmanley/grabs/1298346607.png, only way to get out is ctrl+c but then it just gets even worse http://nasutek.com/~mmanley/grabs/1298346644.png |
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| 03:51.05 | karlpinc | DrHouse|Alma: After getting out try typing "reset". |
| 03:51.24 | DrHouse|Alma | ok solves that |
| 03:51.30 | DrHouse|Alma | now for dpkg-reconfigure lol |
| 03:51.57 | karlpinc | DrHouse|Alma: Otherwise, I'm not paying attention but you could try to see what $TERM is. And "man debconf" for how to mess with the reconfigure interface, IIRC. |
| 03:52.52 | DrHouse|Alma | humm $TERM returns xterm; |
| 03:53.03 | karlpinc | DrHouse|Alma: Plausable. |
| 03:53.16 | DrHouse|Alma | ok what should term be vt100? |
| 03:53.53 | karlpinc | DrHouse|Alma: I'd approach it from the debconf side. |
| 03:54.00 | karlpinc | DrHouse|Alma: First. |
| 03:54.47 | karlpinc | DrHouse|Alma: man 7 debconf |
| 03:55.22 | DrHouse|Alma | man: command exited with status 1: iconv -c -f UTF-8 -t ANSI_X3.4-1968//TRANSLIT | pager -s |
| 03:55.22 | DrHouse|Alma | O.o |
| 03:56.49 | karlpinc | DrHouse|Alma: That sounds semi-related to your problem. What's changed on that box? |
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| 03:57.09 | DrHouse|Alma | nothing, its a fresh Debian 6 image (its on a VPN so i have no direct access to the box) |
| 03:58.10 | DrHouse|Alma | locale is POSIX but im unable to even change the locale cause im unable to do it threw dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 03:58.20 | DrHouse|Alma | but idk if thats whats causing it |
| 03:59.02 | karlpinc | DrHouse|Alma: Possibly.... If you don't have the encoding for posix/C installed. ? |
| 03:59.59 | DrHouse|Alma | unknown, but whats weird is its only dpkg-reconfigure and mc that acts bonkers, aptitude does not and im sure thats ncurses as well |
| 04:00.08 | karlpinc | DrHouse|Alma: Does 'man -R C 7 debconf' work? |
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| 04:00.24 | DrHouse|Alma | man: iconv_open ("C//IGNORE", "UTF-8"): Invalid argument |
| 04:00.24 | karlpinc | DrHouse|Alma: Or maybe 'man -L C 7 debconf'? |
| 04:00.24 | DrHouse|Alma | man: iconv_open ("C//IGNORE", "UTF-8"): Invalid argument |
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| 04:00.42 | DrHouse|Alma | then before that same error |
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| 04:01.50 | DrHouse|Alma | this is quite odd, im guessing it might be UTF-8 issues but if thats the case how do i get around that |
| 04:02.04 | karlpinc | DrHouse|Alma: man -7 7 debconf |
| 04:02.20 | DrHouse|Alma | man: command exited with status 1: iconv -c -f UTF-8 -t ANSI_X3.4-1968//TRANSLIT | tr \255\267\264\327 \055\157\047\170 | pager -s |
| 04:02.26 | DrHouse|Alma | >_< |
| 04:02.34 | DrHouse|Alma | idk what is so junked up |
| 04:02.54 | karlpinc | DrHouse|Alma: I'm just going through man man. man -E ascii 7 debconf |
| 04:03.10 | DrHouse|Alma | man: command exited with status 1: pager -s |
| 04:03.11 | DrHouse|Alma | :/ |
| 04:03.21 | karlpinc | DrHouse|Alma: Who knew there were so many ways to get an error. :) |
| 04:03.40 | DrHouse|Alma | guess i can reinstall, its somewhat not a fresh install but i never changed anything where locale and stuff would be damaged |
| 04:03.49 | DrHouse|Alma | just installed LAMP |
| 04:03.57 | karlpinc | DrHouse|Alma: Maybe there's no pager installed? ?? |
| 04:04.07 | Dewi | DrHouse|Alma: you know putty defaults to ascii and debian defaults to utf8... |
| 04:04.07 | DrHouse|Alma | nte-fre-psrv1:~# pager |
| 04:04.07 | DrHouse|Alma | Missing filename ("less --help" for help) |
| 04:04.11 | rjsalts | hrm, the documentation in /usr/share/doc/iptraf/html seems to be licensed under the gfdl, should that happen? |
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| 04:04.20 | Dewi | DrHouse|Alma: so one thing you probably need to do is adjust putty to talk utf8 |
| 04:04.20 | DrHouse|Alma | let me check to see |
| 04:04.23 | DrHouse|Alma | ok |
| 04:04.30 | Dewi | DrHouse|Alma: but it looks like you probably have more problems than just that |
| 04:04.44 | karlpinc | rjsalts: So long as there are no invarient clauses. |
| 04:05.11 | rjsalts | karlpinc: aha |
| 04:05.11 | Dewi | DrHouse|Alma: anyway it's under Window->Translation in PuTTY, I have "UTF-8" |
| 04:05.43 | Dewi | DrHouse|Alma: and my system locale is like LANG="en_AU.UTF-8" |
| 04:06.13 | DrHouse|Alma | yeah mine should be en_US.UTF-8 not POSIX |
| 04:06.53 | Dewi | DrHouse|Alma: I wonder if you can drop debconf to a non-ncurses mode while you sort it out |
| 04:07.22 | DrHouse|Alma | whats also weird is if i go to vt100, it prints some of the man page and chokes |
| 04:07.36 | rjsalts | karlpinc: yeah, it doesn't look like it has any invariant clauses |
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| 04:07.54 | DrHouse|Alma | like |
| 04:07.57 | DrHouse|Alma | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:07.57 | DrHouse|Alma | man: command exited with status 1: iconv -c -f UTF-8 -t ANSI_X3.4-1968//TRANSLIT | pager -s |
| 04:08.14 | Dewi | DrHouse|Alma: tried this? dpkg-reconfigure --frontend=readline locale |
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| 04:08.44 | DrHouse|Alma | let me try that |
| 04:08.44 | Dewi | oops, I might mean 'locales' |
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| 04:09.10 | rainabba2 | Only WEP (no WPA) supported for wireless during setup? |
| 04:09.18 | Dewi | debconf also supports --frontend=readline if you are invoking that directly |
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| 04:09.24 | rainabba2 | dvs: Thank you, getting somewhere now. |
| 04:09.45 | DrHouse|Alma | (Enter the items you want to select, separated by spaces.) |
| 04:09.45 | DrHouse|Alma | Use of uninitialized value $_[1] in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 111, <FIN> line 6. |
| 04:09.49 | DrHouse|Alma | just goes to that |
| 04:09.54 | DrHouse|Alma | woudlnt even let me enter anything |
| 04:09.55 | dvs | rainabba2: np. and now, only WEP (and no) encryption is supported. |
| 04:10.03 | DrHouse|Alma | so maybe putty setting im not setting right? |
| 04:10.06 | karlpinc | rainabba2: Check the installation guide for details. |
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| 04:10.08 | dvs | *no |
| 04:10.14 | rainabba2 | Wow |
| 04:10.20 | Dewi | DrHouse|Alma: nah shouldn't cause a crash that bad, deep inside perl |
| 04:10.30 | Dewi | DrHouse|Alma: sounds like your perl is broken |
| 04:10.30 | rainabba2 | Complications with wpa_supplicant? |
| 04:10.30 | dvs | rainabba2: a wired connection is your best bet. |
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| 04:10.36 | rainabba2 | Not possible |
| 04:10.46 | rainabba2 | Tablet :( |
| 04:11.00 | DrHouse|Alma | well i didnt enter anything, not getting a var could cause an issue |
| 04:11.15 | DrHouse|Alma | damn i guess ill just rebuild, idk what i did to trash debian this bad |
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| 04:11.47 | DrHouse|Alma | unless what kind of frontends does dpkg have |
| 04:11.55 | DrHouse|Alma | does any of them involve X |
| 04:12.11 | un214 | synaptic |
| 04:12.14 | un214 | and some others |
| 04:12.30 | Dewi | un214: that still uses ncurses for debconf doesn't it? |
| 04:12.46 | un214 | beats me |
| 04:12.56 | un214 | root never runs GUI apps here |
| 04:12.58 | Dewi | I can't really remember... it's been a while |
| 04:13.15 | simplechat | Hey guys, where would i find a lenny install netinstall cd? |
| 04:13.16 | un214 | if it can't run from the command line it doesn't deserve root |
| 04:13.19 | simplechat | it's not on the main website |
| 04:13.20 | rjsalts | Dewi: it depends on what frontend you have configured |
| 04:13.25 | DrHouse|Alma | cause if theres a gui thing for --frontend=type i might be able to do it |
| 04:13.46 | DrHouse|Alma | cause i beleve its just some hosed up locale stuff, cause i seen this happen before |
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| 04:14.32 | Dewi | DrHouse|Alma: I've seen it spew warnings if 'locales' wasn't installed or configured, but it was always basically useable still |
| 04:14.53 | karlpinc | DrHouse|Alma: Sounds worthy of a bug report. |
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| 04:16.45 | DrHouse|Alma | probibly will, one last question, what i notice is if i press like the down arrow to select this pops up http://nasutek.com/~mmanley/grabs/1298348220.png see how it does the ^[[B thing |
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| 04:20.45 | karlpinc | DrHouse|Alma: Classic $TERM mismatch between shell and terminal emulator. |
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| 04:23.32 | DrHouse|Alma | ok, humm, vt100 does it too, and im lost at what the term would be |
| 04:24.22 | karlpinc | DrHouse|Alma: What terminal emulation does puttyt think it's doing? Use that. |
| 04:24.42 | DrHouse|Alma | well putty sends it, first xterm, then i did vt100, same thing |
| 04:25.15 | DrHouse|Alma | but i even tried default ssh in Cygwin, it even has the same problem |
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| 04:31.34 | Dewi | DrHouse|Alma: it's a long shot but you could try running inside screen |
| 04:31.57 | Dewi | DrHouse|Alma: I find its pseudo-terminal just slightly more compatible with putty |
| 04:32.36 | DrHouse|Alma | same ^[[B thing |
| 04:32.52 | DrHouse|Alma | i can give 2 craps about the color annoyance, its the i cant select anything thats bugging |
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| 04:33.06 | DrHouse|Alma | i guess ill boot into linux and see if it does it there |
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| 04:35.25 | DrHouse|Alma | dang same issue |
| 04:36.54 | yagoo | DrHouse|Alma, ^[[B is for terminal display.. you dont have the right term setting |
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| 04:41.30 | DrHouse|Alma | it does it everywhere, even on the local terminal, so idk how im spoce to figure out this setting, im just prob gonna reinstall im so lost at whats wrong other then maybe a profile issue |
| 04:41.50 | DrHouse|Alma | is there some way i can completly reset the root users profile, aka home dir configs |
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| 04:42.34 | yagoo | DrHouse|Alma, you need termcaps .. make sure ncurses and its dependencies are fully installed.. |
| 04:42.49 | slie | I have a seperate /home partition i already edited my fstab to nodev,nosuid and i still cant exicute this script |
| 04:42.50 | yagoo | DrHouse|Alma, try TERM=vt100 and then run mc |
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| 04:43.09 | yagoo | slidesinger, chmod +x ? |
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| 04:43.15 | yagoo | slie, ^ |
| 04:43.54 | slie | yagoo, yep rw-rw-rw |
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| 04:46.12 | ZitZ | hi, in squeeze xorg is telling me it is failing because it can't initialize the synaptic device, does this make sense? How do I fix it? |
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| 04:47.40 | yagoo | ZitZ, you tried x with xorg.conf ? a quick test would be to rename xorg.conf to something else then rerun x (/etc/init.d/gdm restart) |
| 04:47.54 | yagoo | ,/without/with |
| 04:48.23 | ZitZ | yagoo: I'll delete the xorg.conf, I'm using the nvidia drivers, and no gdm |
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| 04:48.39 | yagoo | ZitZ, you do what you want.. good luck.. |
| 04:48.41 | yagoo | . |
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| 04:55.30 | bp0 | how can I disable ipv6 in debian squeeze? I tried (http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6#Insqueeze) and the grub.cfg GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="disable_ipv6=1" and neither worked. |
| 04:56.51 | bp0 | I also tried the regular blacklist ipv6 |
| 04:56.58 | bp0 | also doesnt work |
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| 04:59.57 | puff` | I'm migrating my old debian box to debian squeeze. I don't see an /etc/aliases... should I create my own, or did it move or something? |
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| 05:00.39 | cantido | Is disabling ipv6 totally a good idea?... exim etc bind via ipv6 |
| 05:00.46 | puff` | doh.. I'll bet it shows up after I install postfix. |
| 05:01.18 | cantido | puff`: I have /etc/aliases with exim too.. you should have exim unless you did a debootstrap install |
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| 05:06.42 | puff` | cantido: The data center guy started it, so I guess he did. |
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| 05:07.42 | yagoo | see Nick Burns waving through the window.. yagoo thinks he must be the data center guy |
| 05:07.50 | puff` | I've finished merging the /etc/passwd, /etc/groups, etc, in... if I want to rsync the /home directory over and get the file ownership all to be the "right" user ID numbers, is there any way to do it short of enabling remote root login so I can rsync as root@oldbox? |
| 05:08.04 | puff` | Who's nick burns? |
| 05:08.07 | t3a | is there a command to make me press the scroll lock key every 15 seconds? |
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| 05:09.08 | puff` | Ah, SNL character. |
| 05:09.56 | KB1JWQ | puff`: Your company's computer guy. |
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| 05:14.09 | DrHouse|Alma | O.o well what do you know, reboot fixed it |
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| 05:17.46 | karlpinc | puff`: ssh using a keypair. man sshd See the authorized_keys section. |
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| 05:18.33 | karlpinc | puff`: (And set PermitRootLogin=forced-commands-only (or some such) |
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| 05:25.23 | benignbala | Hi, got a small question. If I don't have a /etc/apt/apt.conf file and the apt.conf.d doesn't have anything for the Acquire group, where does the machine read the http_proxy from? I don't have the env variable http_proxy set. |
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| 05:30.43 | yagoo | benignbala, probably a shell variable |
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| 05:31.25 | yagoo | benignbala, if u need apt to use an http_proxy, you can make a setting for it in apt.conf probably |
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| 05:33.01 | yagoo | benignbala, did u try an http variable system wide? |
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| 05:34.26 | benignbala | yagoo: No, the thing is, apt-get works without me setting any of those. I just want to know where the address/route is acquired from ? Does it use the default gateway or is it something else ? |
| 05:35.32 | yagoo | benignbala, i don't believe http_proxy is offered in a dhcp reply.. what client app is this? you should be able to configure the http proxy setting in the app itself.. |
| 05:35.50 | yagoo | benignbala, usually setting an http_proxy setting is in the application itself.. |
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| 05:36.47 | benignbala | yagoo: This just the normal apt-get update or apt-get install from my bash. I don't have http_proxy set in my env. |
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| 05:37.20 | yagoo | benignbala, isn't the http_proxy needed for that client app, really the end server? |
| 05:37.57 | benignbala | yagoo: I don't know. That's why I got a little confused and connected to the IRC to ask :) |
| 05:38.09 | yagoo | benignbala, http://wiki.debian.org/QandA |
| 05:38.23 | benignbala | yagoo: Thanks, I will have a look at it. |
| 05:38.29 | yagoo | !dpkg |
| 05:38.30 | dpkg | well, dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 05:38.38 | yagoo | !http_proxy |
| 05:38.38 | dpkg | http_proxy is probably export 'http_proxy=http://PROXY:port/' -- it can be used with apt-get or lynx or wget (but not links/links2) - the trailing slash is important! Export 'http_proxy=http://username:password@proxy:port/' if you need to authenticate. |
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| 05:39.24 | benignbala | yagoo: Actually, we can set it in apt.conf in /etc/apt as well using Acquire::http::Proxy=proxyserver:port |
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| 05:41.12 | benignbala | yagoo: But I haven't set that either. |
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| 05:42.10 | yagoo | anyone here ever use an ethener tap? (i'm looking at barracuda's ethernet tap device) |
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| 05:52.57 | pinoyoragon | Can somebody recommend a web-based/console download manager so I can manage download from remote? |
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| 05:55.48 | yagoo | pinoyoragon, just use ssh+mc |
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| 05:56.11 | yagoo | pinoyoragon, if you want to download.. you can use filezilla (sftp) |
| 05:56.24 | mentor | Well, that wasn't awful |
| 05:57.10 | yagoo | if you're competent.. you can use the sftp command :p |
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| 06:06.54 | simonrvn | not like scp is hard to use |
| 06:07.01 | simonrvn | or sftp |
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| 06:11.05 | nevyn | mc can do bittorrent and rsync and ftp and http downloads? |
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| 06:11.17 | nevyn | really should look into it in that case. |
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| 06:30.22 | geekosopher | I have squeeze installed on my desktop, with myself as administrator. But when I click on a few items in System>Administration menu, I get these errors: http://pastebin.com/dfVXyCc7 |
| 06:32.45 | geekosopher | it is happening only when clicking on these items using menu gui |
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| 06:33.06 | geekosopher | they all work fine if I try them from terminal |
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| 06:35.16 | geekosopher | recently I got an update to 'login' and 'passwd' packages - could that have caused this (though no error was reported at that time) |
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| 06:41.13 | t3a | is there a command to make me press the scroll lock key every 15 seconds? |
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| 06:44.05 | woonix | t3a: I'm not sure. Why would you want to? |
| 06:44.23 | t3a | because i want to idle in ts without being kicked |
| 06:44.32 | t3a | ts being teamspeak |
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| 06:46.24 | woonix | t3a: http://www.semicomplete.com/projects/xdotool/ |
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| 06:53.18 | cirwin | why do I see /usr/bin/cron and /USR/BIN/CRON in ps ax ? |
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| 06:55.37 | woonix | That seems suspicious. I only see /usr/bin/cron in mine. See if there actually is a /USR/BIN/CRON |
| 06:55.39 | s3phir0th115 | Are there any good hard drive testing tools for Linux that someone can advise? |
| 06:55.55 | cirwin | woonix: there isn't, not even a /USR/ |
| 06:56.01 | simonrvn | cirwin: woonix: it's valid... |
| 06:56.18 | simonrvn | means a job is being run. man cron |
| 06:56.45 | dondelelcaro | s3phir0th115: just look at the smartctl output |
| 06:56.47 | woonix | I see it. Interesting bit of trivia. |
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| 06:57.45 | cirwin | hm, I don't |
| 06:57.51 | cirwin | but good to know it's normal |
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| 06:58.07 | slie | do why do you use debian what is the advantage over ubuntu is it purley choice? |
| 06:58.09 | woonix | look for the word "uppercase" in the man page |
| 06:58.12 | simonrvn | know your system ;) |
| 06:58.34 | cirwin | ah |
| 06:58.37 | s3phir0th115 | dondelelcaro, does that work with usb HD's? |
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| 06:59.24 | simonrvn | s3phir0th115: if the drive supports SMART yes |
| 06:59.54 | s3phir0th115 | k. I'll try it. Many thanks |
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| 07:00.29 | simonrvn | smartctl will tell you if it does (in all likely hood it does if it was made in the last 10 years) |
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| 07:00.38 | cirwin | slie: stability, freedom, portability? there's some stuff on google if you want knowledge |
| 07:01.16 | simonrvn | er, likelyhood* |
| 07:01.42 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know of a quick and dirty command line tool that accepts a 2 column csv file as input, and plots it as X vs. Y? |
| 07:01.43 | s3phir0th115 | Damn, looks like it doesn't support smart |
| 07:02.04 | simonrvn | s3phir0th115: pastebin the smartctl output |
| 07:02.41 | simonrvn | kingsley: gnuplot with some massaging? wild guess. |
| 07:02.42 | kingsley | t |
| 07:02.44 | ElDiabolo | kingsley, gnumeric does that easily, but is unfortunately not command line. |
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| 07:02.55 | jpinx_away | kingsley: there is a cl calc pkg |
| 07:03.16 | jpinx_away | kingsley: aptitude search calc ;) |
| 07:03.30 | s3phir0th115 | It's saying to do a -d to specify the device type |
| 07:03.45 | simonrvn | what are you doing exactly? |
| 07:03.54 | s3phir0th115 | smartctl /dev/sdh1 |
| 07:04.04 | simonrvn | maybe the enclosure is blocking it. i've heard of that happen |
| 07:04.18 | simonrvn | eh, try with -A (IIRC). sec. |
| 07:04.26 | kingsley | jpinx_away: Please elaborate. |
| 07:04.43 | simonrvn | -a or -A |
| 07:05.08 | simonrvn | kingsley: he's telling you to use the handy search function that aptitude has |
| 07:05.08 | ElDiabolo | slie, For servers, because stable is stable. For desktops - mostly because I'm used to it. |
| 07:05.13 | jpinx_away | kingsley: search aptitude for a cl calc package |
| 07:05.22 | s3phir0th115 | Said something about an unknown usb bridge now |
| 07:05.28 | simonrvn | kingsley: you should know this sort of thing |
| 07:05.28 | s3phir0th115 | With the -A |
| 07:06.05 | simonrvn | s3phir0th115: it's good to try --help or -h with an unknown command, to get a fell for it |
| 07:06.06 | jpinx_away | kingsley: I used it ages ago - forgotten the name |
| 07:06.09 | simonrvn | feel* |
| 07:06.20 | ElDiabolo | slie, I am however quite happy 'bout ubuntu, because it increases the user base doing the testing by a factor of nealy ten. |
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| 07:09.41 | Bushmills | kingsley: not quite matching your requirements, because X and no - as far as i know - CSV support, but good to know its there: extcalc. has nice graphing capabilities, inclusive "dynamic" graphs, i.e. animated plots of graphs where variables can change within a spectrum |
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| 07:09.50 | cirwin | kingsley: gnuplot -e "set term 'png'; plot 'a';" > a.png |
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| 07:12.31 | kingsley | cirwin: If I asked you nicely, would you modify your concise one-liner to plot a .csv file? |
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| 07:13.33 | cirwin | it already does |
| 07:13.39 | cirwin | providing that file is called a |
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| 07:14.06 | cirwin | kingsley: gnuplot -e "set term 'png'; plot '$file';" > $file.png |
| 07:14.20 | cirwin | or am I misunderstanding what you want? |
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| 07:17.40 | kingsley | cirwin: Yes, I think there may be some misunderstanding. |
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| 07:17.58 | kingsley | cirwin: I took the liberty of posting the .csv file at |
| 07:18.03 | kingsley | http://pastebin.com/7ATRdpRf |
| 07:18.34 | kingsley | It would be nice to see a succinct (command line) one liner that plots it as X vs. Y. |
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| 07:20.30 | cirwin | this is not what you want? http://jelzo.com/stuff/kingsley.png |
| 07:21.59 | kingsley | cirwin: Unfortunately, it isn't. |
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| 07:24.07 | kingsley | cirwin: I think that if you look at the data in the .csv file, you'll see that it doesn't correspond to the plot. For example, the dat in the .csv file has a negative slope. Ie: the second column decreases as the first increases. However, the plot shows both increasing. |
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| 07:24.26 | kingsley | s/dat/data/ |
| 07:24.28 | cirwin | that is a very interesting observation â I am clearly talking gibberish |
| 07:24.29 | cirwin | :p |
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| 07:25.02 | slie | is everyone using strieght up debian here or a flavor? |
| 07:26.02 | Bushmills | slie: why use a derivate if one can have the real thing? |
| 07:26.05 | kingsley | cirwin: If it's any consolation, another command line tool named "xmgrace" produced a similarly flawed plot. |
| 07:26.23 | cirwin | kingsley: it works better if you prepend "set dataf ',';" |
| 07:26.31 | cirwin | "set dataf sep ','" |
| 07:26.38 | cirwin | http://jelzo.com/stuff/kingsley2.png |
| 07:26.51 | cirwin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:28.02 | slie | Bushmills, guess i'm asking because flavors are so pupular i want th real thing and it makes me feel better knowing othere are out there waisting there day setting up the initial setup... |
| 07:28.04 | kingsley | cirwin: I get... |
| 07:28.06 | kingsley | line 0: unknown or ambiguous terminal type; type just 'set terminal' for a list |
| 07:29.16 | Bushmills | slie: i guess here are three types of users: the "why derivate when there's debian" folks, the "but on #ubuntu nobody can tell me" and the "but sidux/aptosid/otherserivate *is* debian" users. |
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| 07:30.10 | toxster | hi, i just installed a box with a marvel 6gb sata, and a corsair p3 ssd, hdparm "only" gives me 176mb/s seq read speeds, have i missed anything? shouldnt i get far better results? |
| 07:30.27 | slie | Bushmills, lol only one user i will ever want to be :P true blood lol thanks |
| 07:31.02 | cirwin | kingsley: hummdihumm â I'm pretty sure I'm using debian's gnuplot |
| 07:31.09 | cirwin | maybe you need gnuplot-x11, but that would be wierd.. |
| 07:31.54 | kingsley | cirwin: What does "$ apt-cache policy gnuplot" say? |
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| 07:32.04 | toxster | on my raid 5 (using mdadm) i get 184mb/s :( |
| 07:32.19 | toxster | so this ssd is reported slower than my sata II devices? |
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| 07:32.22 | cirwin | http://dpaste.org/DwuS/ 4.4.0-1.1 |
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| 07:32.52 | kingsley | cirwin: That may be the problem. I'm using 4.2.6-1, |
| 07:33.56 | cirwin | I suggest you do "gnu plot -e 'set term'" and select the one that you like best |
| 07:34.04 | cirwin | (and replace png with it) |
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| 07:37.34 | ElDiabolo | toxster, partition alignment is good to get right on a ssd, but my guess would be that the hd isn't the bottleneck. |
| 07:38.10 | toxster | i neede to set AHCI in the marvel controller for debian to recognize the controller/drive |
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| 07:39.30 | kingsley | cirwin: I'm happy to report that ... |
| 07:39.40 | kingsley | $ gnuplot -e "set dataf sep ','; plot 'file.csv'; pause -1" |
| 07:39.44 | kingsley | worked for me. |
| 07:39.47 | toxster | according to dmesg its only at 1.5gb/S ? |
| 07:39.55 | kingsley | cirwin: Thanks for the tips. |
| 07:40.03 | toxster | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:40.14 | cirwin | ah, if i knew you didn't want to keep it... :) |
| 07:40.36 | toxster | ata7: SATA link up 6.0 Gbps (SStatus 133 SControl 300) |
| 07:40.53 | toxster | hmm so controller seems to be ok |
| 07:41.45 | ElDiabolo | Its a pity pcitop did not get any further development. |
| 07:42.21 | ElDiabolo | My tram reaches its destination. Bye. |
| 07:42.35 | cantido | Wouldnt you have to disable dma to have a chance of calculating PCI traffic |
| 07:42.38 | kingsley | cirwin: PS: I has to change it to |
| 07:42.45 | kingsley | $ gnuplot -persist -e "set dataf sep ','; plot '/tmp/rgp_log.csv';" |
| 07:42.55 | kingsley | to work from a shell script. |
| 07:43.24 | cirwin | cool |
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| 07:57.56 | toxster | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:57.57 | toxster | there we go. added noop scheduler to /etc/sysfs.conf for the device |
| 07:58.12 | toxster | doubled the performance |
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| 07:58.45 | sako | how do i search through sid backports? |
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| 07:59.20 | sako | or i guess.. sid doesn't have backports.. how do i search through sid? |
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| 08:00.17 | cantido | sako: why would sid have backports? |
| 08:00.31 | cantido | sako: backports from experimental? |
| 08:01.08 | sako | here's my problem.. i would like to install nginx 0.8.x however squeeze currently has 0.7.x and no backports available.. |
| 08:01.36 | sako | instead of just compiling from source, i was told its better to grab 0.8.x from sid and backport it for squeeze? |
| 08:01.56 | cantido | grab the source from sid and build a deb on squeeze |
| 08:02.02 | sako | so in that case do i have to add the deb-src? |
| 08:02.05 | sako | to my sources.list? |
| 08:02.19 | cantido | you should be able to find it on ftp.debian.org.. |
| 08:02.24 | sako | and if i have to do that.. how do i prevent all packages coming from sid when i try to aptitude install? |
| 08:02.48 | Bushmills | ,versions nginx |
| 08:02.50 | judd | Package nginx on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 0.7.67-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.7.67-3; sid: 0.8.54-3; wheezy: 0.8.54-3 |
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| 08:03.02 | Bushmills | no need for sid version |
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| 08:03.31 | sako | why? wheezy? |
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| 08:03.43 | cantido | would have though sid and wheezy would be the same thing |
| 08:03.45 | Bushmills | already in testing. yes |
| 08:04.04 | sako | so wheezy = testing and sid = experimental? |
| 08:04.11 | Bushmills | right |
| 08:04.14 | Bushmills | no |
| 08:04.16 | sako | thanks Bushmills |
| 08:04.18 | Bushmills | sid = unstable |
| 08:04.18 | cantido | sako: sid = unstable |
| 08:04.21 | sako | ah ok |
| 08:04.29 | sako | makes sense.. |
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| 08:04.53 | cantido | experimental isnt full, it only has some package built for sid |
| 08:05.07 | cantido | packages that need some work before they move to sid |
| 08:05.45 | Bushmills | not to imply that those packages don't need any more work once they moved to sid |
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| 08:06.13 | cantido | of course |
| 08:06.34 | cantido | just that the maint doesnt think they should be in sid but wants them somewhere for testing or something.. experimental |
| 08:06.54 | sako | am i looking in the right place? ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/ |
| 08:07.17 | sako | i want to grab the wheezy source for nginx so i can build a deb on squeeze |
| 08:07.33 | sako | i'm totally lost :/ i should be reading some docs right about now |
| 08:07.47 | cantido | there is a simple backport guide on dpkg I think.. |
| 08:08.03 | cantido | can never remember how those triggers work |
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| 08:08.23 | cantido | if nginx is anything like apache you'll need to build a ton of stuff though.. |
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| 08:09.18 | Bushmills | is not too bad. deps tree: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/nginx.png |
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| 08:10.04 | cantido | what about all the modules etc for it? |
| 08:10.06 | Bushmills | compare against apache2: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/apache2.png |
| 08:10.25 | cantido | hahahaha! |
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| 08:11.07 | cirwin | what does lighttpd look like? *curious* |
| 08:11.19 | cantido | cirwin: look like in what sense? |
| 08:11.28 | cirwin | the deps tree |
| 08:11.35 | sako | so where would i find the source of nginx that im looking for? |
| 08:11.40 | sako | ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy? |
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| 08:11.53 | cantido | its a very slim webserver, if you want php etc you use fastcgi or something.. so its not like all that stuff link against the main server |
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| 08:12.33 | cirwin | sake apt-get source? |
| 08:12.36 | cirwin | *Sako |
| 08:12.37 | faradina | http://packages.debian.org/source/wheezy/nginx |
| 08:13.07 | ludds | Hey guys. I have this project where I want to drop all traffic except from one IP. I've tried my way around IP-tables but it always results in me formating the server.. :( Anybody have a quick second to help me regarding this matter? It would be highly appreciated. Thanks. |
| 08:13.20 | cantido | ludds: try firehol |
| 08:13.29 | cantido | ludds: its a very easy to handle iptables script thingy |
| 08:13.32 | Bushmills | cirwin: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/lighttpd.png |
| 08:13.39 | ludds | Oh cool. I will try it out, thanks man. :) |
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| 08:14.19 | ludds | cantido: apt-get install firehol? |
| 08:14.22 | cirwin | Bushmills: awesome thanks â /me is now having a debtree command |
| 08:14.25 | cantido | ludds: yep |
| 08:14.38 | cantido | ludds: if you google it there is a page with all the docs, examples etc |
| 08:15.02 | ludds | Cool. I'll try to fix it from there. Thank you very much for your help cantido. |
| 08:15.18 | cantido | <3 firehol |
| 08:15.23 | Bushmills | cirwin: i wanted to generate those from a caching cgi, but am still on manual invocation atm |
| 08:15.39 | sako | cirwin: apt-get source won't work though right? im not on wheezy.. im on squeeze trying to get wheezy's nginx source.. |
| 08:15.44 | cantido | Bushmills: how are you generating them? |
| 08:15.44 | sako | faradina: thanks |
| 08:16.05 | cirwin | sako: I'm certain there's a way â but I don't know what it might be |
| 08:16.16 | Bushmills | cantido: locally, running a script which sshs to http server, and runs the script to generate them there |
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| 08:16.51 | cantido | Bushmills: would be interesting to generate a complete map |
| 08:17.02 | sako | so does anyone have a second to help me build out something from wheezy on squeeze? I'm sure if someone can help me with this once I can do it forever ;) |
| 08:17.10 | Bushmills | therefore cgi with caching, generating them on demand |
| 08:17.29 | sako | teach a man to fish* |
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| 08:18.08 | cantido | Bushmills: you mean call the script with the package name and get a graph? |
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| 08:18.48 | faradina | sake: add the "deb-src" off wheezy to your sources.list |
| 08:18.51 | Bushmills | right - but only if the image doesn't yet exist |
| 08:19.04 | faradina | sako: add the "deb-src" off wheezy to your sources.list |
| 08:19.35 | cantido | Bushmills: probably about five lines of php :) |
| 08:19.53 | faradina | sako: then apt-get --build nginx |
| 08:19.53 | Bushmills | i doubt that one would want to use php for that |
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| 08:20.19 | cantido | php, perl,.. whatever takes your fancy |
| 08:20.21 | Bushmills | even a shell script wouldn't be a lot more |
| 08:20.36 | cantido | problem with a shell script is you would have to do all the input handling yourself |
| 08:20.58 | Bushmills | unless you can draw from a lib, doing that already |
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| 08:21.21 | cantido | Bushmills: ah, I don't mean do the whole thing.. just the interface side |
| 08:21.23 | Bushmills | input would mainly be sanitizing |
| 08:21.55 | cantido | Bushmills: take the input, check if a image exists/hasnt expired, call the graphing script if needed |
| 08:21.58 | Bushmills | rendering could use something from like http://scarydevilmonastery.net/demo/ |
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| 08:25.38 | cantido | Bushmills: are you using apt/aptitude to get the data or parsing it directly? |
| 08:25.50 | Zambezi | Anyone know here how Moonlight works in Sid? Eurosport dumped flash and are using Silverlight instead. And I would like to be able to stream, but don't know how it works. |
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| 08:25.57 | cantido | You could rattle over the data and have a complete set in not very long.. |
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| 08:26.28 | cantido | Zambezi: if it needs silverlight you are SOL |
| 08:26.42 | cantido | Zambezi: check if they have a mobile version.. that might have something you can use |
| 08:26.44 | Bushmills | cantido: "to get the data" .. what data? |
| 08:27.01 | cantido | Bushmills: the relationships between packages |
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| 08:27.07 | Zambezi | cantido: SOL means? |
| 08:27.13 | cantido | Zambezi: shit out of luck |
| 08:27.20 | Bushmills | cantido: debtree package |
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| 08:27.51 | ludds | cantido: Hey again. I came across a little problem with FireHOL. Mind helping abit? |
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| 08:28.01 | cantido | ludds: yeah, whats up? |
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| 08:28.08 | ludds | Is it okay if I pm you? |
| 08:28.32 | sako | will anything bad happen if i have been using aptitude this whole time but need to use apt-get now since it has --build |
| 08:28.35 | Zambezi | cantido: So Moonlight sucks then? Last year I watched snooker on two monitors. That was awesome. During WCH, I would like to do that again. Not looking good though. |
| 08:28.40 | sako | for some reason aptitude doesnt have --build or -b |
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| 08:29.32 | cantido | Zambezi: mm I'll have a try, you got a link? |
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| 08:30.00 | n_np | hi, i have awstats installed but i just want to know how to load it up? |
| 08:30.07 | n_np | i mean- display the actual awstats |
| 08:30.09 | n_np | whats the url? |
| 08:30.12 | n_np | how do i load it? |
| 08:30.13 | Zambezi | cantido: Requires paid membership, so no. |
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| 08:32.14 | Trewas | Zambezi: afaik moonlight doesn't implement DRM bits of the silverlight needed by those (and most other) video streams, I have xp in virtualbox mainly for snooker @ eurosport :) |
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| 08:33.33 | Zambezi | Trewas: You are my new friend. Did you see Henry's maximum break? Awesome! I might use XP then. I have Ci5, 4 GB ram so that could work. |
| 08:33.36 | sako | any bad side effects if i was using aptitude till now and switch to apt-get? |
| 08:33.45 | sep | n_np, default i belive is www.domain.com/cgi-bin/awstats.pl |
| 08:33.56 | sep | n_np, depends on how you configured it tho ofcourse |
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| 08:34.03 | Trewas | Zambezi: yeah saw that, too bad the rest of the match did not go too well for him |
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| 08:35.00 | n_np | i didnt configure it it didnt let me configure it |
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| 08:36.06 | Zambezi | Trewas: Agree. Same thing in Crucible. We can't talk too much sport here. People will go mad! I'll have a go with virtual computer, just need to install one, configure basic etc. Silverlight only works in IE? |
| 08:36.52 | cantido | Zambezi: poke around and see if you can file a mobile stream |
| 08:38.11 | cantido | s/file/find/ |
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| 08:39.04 | Zambezi | cantido: I will, but I have the telly too so I can at least watch one game. One advance with Eurosport player is you can watch earlier matches too. |
| 08:40.23 | cantido | hasnt watched europort for ages.. |
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| 08:42.30 | anddam | hello, |
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| 08:43.39 | anddam | I've installed a fresh squeeze image from my VPS provider's control panel, when changing the password of a reshly created user (I'm root atm) I get "Current Kerberos password:", what's that supposed to do? |
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| 08:43.52 | anddam | s/to do/to be/ |
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| 08:44.12 | sako | is there an aptitude equivalent to sudo apt-get --build source nginx |
| 08:44.28 | sako | theres nothing like --build on aptitude huh? |
| 08:45.23 | anddam | sako: can't help you but on a related topic do you build nginx to have a more recent version? |
| 08:45.31 | sako | yes |
| 08:45.42 | sako | trying to build nginx* |
| 08:45.43 | anddam | is apt source handling good for handling built-from-source packages? |
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| 08:45.58 | sako | not sure yet lol :/ |
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| 08:46.09 | anddam | first attempt? |
| 08:46.36 | anddam | I was wondering how it is compared to source specific manager, port-like |
| 08:46.58 | anddam | oh and if someone has an hint about the kerberos thing it's well accepted |
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| 08:55.52 | farciarz84 | hi, how many parallel sftp connections the ssh server can handle? |
| 08:56.02 | sako | hey guys so i just downloaded and built the source for nginx.. do i _have_ to use dpkg to install this now? |
| 08:56.13 | sako | is there some way to use aptitude so it handles the dependencies? |
| 08:56.43 | cantido | sako: you can setup a local repo.. but for one package its maybe not worth it |
| 08:56.53 | sako | i see |
| 08:57.17 | sako | so in order to get the dependencies apt-get build-dep is my only option? |
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| 08:57.47 | anddam | sako: afair in order to install the built package dpkg it is |
| 08:58.13 | sako | dpkg complains about unmet dependencies though |
| 08:58.13 | dpkg | sako: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 08:58.22 | sako | anyway to tell dpkg to grab dependencies? |
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| 09:02.58 | sako | no? |
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| 09:06.46 | sako | why does aptitude list packages like gettext-base{a} |
| 09:06.49 | sako | {a} ? |
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| 09:08.15 | sep | automatically installed becouse of some dependency. |
| 09:08.24 | Trewas | Zambezi: sorry, had to go AFK... silverlight videos work also in firefox in windows, but fullscreen etc seem to work a bit better in IE so I have been using that |
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| 09:08.48 | sako | sep: so if i am doing something like sudo apt-get --build nginx |
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| 09:09.14 | sako | sep: should i use apt-get build-dep? or aptitude build-dep is good enough? |
| 09:09.29 | sako | i like to use aptitude where i can, but i obviously cant for building from source |
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| 09:12.41 | fishsponge_ | hey people - i notice the color of highlighted items in icedove is a light blue... where can I change this back to the darker blue I'm used to (and can see better)? |
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| 09:14.04 | sako | only thing im worried about is if i do a sudo apt-get build-dep nginx, i would ahve to remove the packages it installs manually if i decide i dont want nginx later right? |
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| 09:14.55 | sako | hmm i guess same goes for dpkg -i nginx.deb |
| 09:15.12 | sako | it will be really hard to remove these cleanly later no? or am i missing something here ;p |
| 09:16.06 | atarakt | hello, I'd like to know if btrfs is ready for production use on debian squeeze ? |
| 09:16.46 | Zambezi | Trewas: Thanks. Not ideal. but I'm going to try with my friends account first is the idea. |
| 09:17.03 | sep | atarakt, i'd say no... simply couse it have not had enough wide spread testing yet ; just my personal opinion |
| 09:17.20 | sep | also depends on what kind of production you are talking about ofcourse.... |
| 09:17.31 | fbs | yeah |
| 09:17.36 | fbs | it is included in squeeze |
| 09:17.47 | fbs | some its stable enough for the release |
| 09:18.08 | cantido | its still marked as experimental in the kernel source I think.. |
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| 09:18.48 | cantido | thinks he saw something about the on disk format changing in the menuconfig help dialog.. |
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| 09:19.43 | fishsponge_ | anyone? |
| 09:19.57 | sep | atarakt, my point beeing. since there is doubt... it's not rock solid enough for $important-mission-critical-whatever, but probably more then good enough for many other things |
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| 09:21.01 | atarakt | ok, thanks. It's good time to test/play with it. I will be wait for wheezy to use it in production |
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| 09:21.05 | bluegene | how do i install a kernel using grub2? |
| 09:21.59 | cantido | atarakt: what do you mean by "production" though? |
| 09:23.41 | sako | hey guys so i built a package.. got the .deb |
| 09:23.57 | sako | now i just ran dpkg -i file.deb .. i don't think it installed it |
| 09:24.04 | atarakt | cantido: for critical servers |
| 09:24.17 | cantido | atarakt: yeah, but what are you running on them? |
| 09:24.31 | cantido | One persons production is going to be different to anothers |
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| 09:24.57 | cantido | if you do everything in memory and only store the OS on disk you might not care about the FS being all that great as long as the OS doesnt break all the time |
| 09:25.13 | sako | how do i know if dpkg installed it properly? |
| 09:25.44 | sako | ugh nvm it did install properly... so when i install anything with dpkg will it show up in a list of installed packages or anything? |
| 09:25.51 | atarakt | cantido: for using mysql/pgsql, webapp and asterisk |
| 09:26.02 | cantido | sako: it works the same as installing via apt ;) |
| 09:26.20 | sako | cantido: nice! |
| 09:26.23 | cantido | atarakt: all on the same machine?] |
| 09:26.34 | sako | cantido: how can i see a list of installed packages? |
| 09:26.45 | sako | i tried aptitude help can't find anything |
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| 09:27.25 | slie | whats the difference between aptitude and apt-get |
| 09:27.48 | sako | slie: apparently aptitude has better dependency tracking |
| 09:27.50 | cantido | mm aptitude show '~i' |
| 09:27.58 | cantido | but that gives you the descriptions too |
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| 09:28.28 | cantido | sako: dpkg -l works too ;) |
| 09:28.28 | themill | !installed |
| 09:28.28 | dpkg | To list installed packages, dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; or aptitude search -F '%p' '~i'; or ask me about <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>. See also <installed test>. For one package, use "dpkg -l packagename" or "apt-cache policy packagename" or (from squeeze onwards) "aptitude versions packagename". |
| 09:28.41 | slie | sako, are they designed by the sam person? i'll wiki it just say so |
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| 09:29.26 | cantido | slie: aptitude is more intelligent (or at least used to be).. its slow as hell on older machines though |
| 09:29.31 | atarakt | cantido: Yes, I'm working on a solution to provide free pbx (https://wiki.xivo.fr/index.php/Accueil) |
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| 09:29.51 | sako | is it safe to just use apt-get now? |
| 09:30.04 | slie | cantido, i use apt-cache search doeas aptitude have something like that? |
| 09:30.06 | sako | i'm kind of bummed out that aptitude doesnt have stuff like --build source |
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| 09:30.32 | cantido | atarakt: Personally I would be thinking "do I need anything other than mature, tested etc,.. ext3" rather than is "x ready yet" :) |
| 09:30.45 | sako | eh screw it.. ill go with apt-get from now on |
| 09:30.58 | cantido | slie: apparently it does |
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| 09:31.24 | bffs | dpkg --get-selections | awk '{print $1}' works too |
| 09:31.24 | dpkg | bffs: are you using Windows? |
| 09:31.32 | cantido | both apt-get and aptitude are in the base system now? |
| 09:31.35 | slie | do i ever have to worry about getting aptitude if i hav apt-get? |
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| 09:33.17 | sako | slie: im reading up on this.. most people recommend either use aptitude exclusively or don't use aptitude |
| 09:33.24 | atarakt | cantido: Yes, I thing it the right solution |
| 09:33.40 | sako | slie: you should be good with just apt-get, it's a bit more powerful anyway |
| 09:34.01 | sako | slie: unless you have a need for it stay away from aptitude i guess |
| 09:34.18 | sako | i'm going to do the same :P just gonna use apt-get from now on.. |
| 09:34.27 | Duddle | hello everybody! I have a quick question: I usually use apt to install packages, but now I need a newer version of a program and compile it from source. I want to ./configure it correctly, so I would like to check how/with what parameters the binary from the package was compiled. is there a way to do that? |
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| 09:34.42 | slie | sako, def thanks |
| 09:34.44 | themill | bffs: that won't actually work, btw. Imagine that you have packages that are on hold. Or packages that are in a to-be-removed state. |
| 09:35.11 | slie | sako, kinda what i have been planning on everytim i see aptitude or hear about it i think apt-cache lol thanks!\ |
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| 09:38.13 | themill | sako, slie: for most routine package management, for searching and for getting out of sticky situations, aptitude will out-perform apt-get. There are only a few places where apt-get gets recommended over aptitude and lenny->squeeze is one of them. |
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| 09:41.38 | JiYu | somebody knows the problem when running "dpkg-buildpackage" that it is creating almos an empty deb package (only with some folder structure), but without data inside? |
| 09:42.05 | themill | JiYu: you're probably missing debian/*.install files |
| 09:42.59 | JiYu | thanks themill I will check this. |
| 09:43.23 | themill | JiYu: is this a package you're working on for inclusion in the debian archive? |
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| 09:43.59 | JiYu | themill, no |
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| 09:44.16 | JiYu | themill, files of pre-build vmware-tools |
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| 09:46.09 | g0rd0n | hi there! i upgraded debian 5 to debian 6, now i have a little problem with grub2: in /etc/default/grub i now have GRUB_TERMINAL=serial \ GRUB_SERIAL_COMMAND="serial --unit=0 --speed=57600" but somehow i still don't see grub2 in the serial console anymore. it used to work with grub1 |
| 09:46.14 | g0rd0n | what could the problem be? |
| 09:46.22 | g0rd0n | i already executed update-grub btw |
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| 09:46.59 | JiYu | debian/*.install files looks kind of ugly... something inside with emacs. huh? strange... |
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| 09:50.21 | sep | are there any way to "change network cable" in a kvm virtual machine, without destroy and define ? while the machine is running ? libvirt from squeeze |
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| 10:00.33 | eni23 | hello at all. got a little problem with apache2 & php5: have here a clean installation of it. normally the php-interpreter shows me what's wrong with the syntax etc, but here it only shows me a 500-server-error. what can i do? |
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| 10:01.06 | simonrvn | error log |
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| 10:02.59 | eni23 | simonrvn: i know i can see all errors in the log but this does really slow down my "workflow". and it's a dev-only system i don't care much about security here |
| 10:03.14 | NyberMi1 | Hello! im about to download the debian iso for installing it. Couldn't help noticing theres 52 cd images here labeled in an increasing number. Do i really need all of these? if not then what is considered the norm? ehh... help :) |
| 10:03.45 | simonrvn | so change the ini to give you more output... |
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| 10:04.22 | simonrvn | NyberMi1: #1, or even the net install (netinst) |
| 10:04.26 | gjvisser1984 | I'm using vxdump |
| 10:04.33 | NyberMi1 | ty simonrvn |
| 10:04.41 | simonrvn | yw |
| 10:04.46 | gjvisser1984 | but am getting a command not found.. |
| 10:05.18 | gjvisser1984 | what package contains vxdump/vxrestore? |
| 10:05.24 | Bushmills | !netinstall |
| 10:05.24 | dpkg | methinks netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 10:05.25 | slie | #android-root |
| 10:05.25 | NyberMi1 | simonrvn: why the massive amount of disks? are they trying to include _everything_ there? |
| 10:05.35 | Bushmills | NyberMi1: ^^^ |
| 10:05.38 | simonrvn | yes, actually |
| 10:05.58 | slie | #android-root |
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| 10:06.09 | simonrvn | slie: /join #channelname |
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| 10:06.57 | NyberMi1 | Yes Bushmills, im familiar with it, thank you :) used debian earlier and now ubuntu for a while but i am getting tired of suspend not working and new bugs coming up all the time and desktop usability being in a decline with new stuff like unity and such coming... so im moving back to debian which hopefully still has the classic gnome look and feel to it like im used to having it. |
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| 10:07.27 | eni23 | simonrvn: yup that works. (display_errors=on in php.ini) sorry its a bit early here |
| 10:07.29 | Bushmills | the default desktop background is not brown, if you mean that |
| 10:07.43 | gjvisser1984 | you guys used vxdump b4? its to back up a drive |
| 10:08.01 | NyberMi1 | not exactly but you raise another point in me with that comment, the artistical style of the default ubuntu theme really went downhills |
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| 10:08.45 | Bushmills | well, one way or the other, i suppose one can customize his installation and setup |
| 10:08.53 | gjvisser1984 | how 2 install http://sfdoccentral.symantec.com/sf/5.0MP3/linux/manpages/vxfs/man1m/vxdump.html |
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| 10:09.30 | NyberMi1 | Bushmills: a very valid point, but thats my reasoning for going after debian this time around. |
| 10:10.05 | Bushmills | it's not my intention to talk you out of it :) |
| 10:11.23 | NyberMi1 | hehe... :) now that i am engaging in discussion... how is the 64 bit version doing? Again, using ubuntu as a comparison i noticed there were a lot of problematic areas when going from 32 to 64 (or i386 to 64, what-ever.) |
| 10:11.44 | anddam | after adding repo from http://bugtracker.openpanel.com/issues/872#note-10 I get 'W: GPG error' from aptitude update (NO_PUBKEY) |
| 10:11.58 | anddam | how do I add pubkey for a third party repo? |
| 10:11.59 | nkuttler | NyberMi1: works just fine |
| 10:12.03 | NyberMi1 | Flash and the sorts, which i realize is lack of proper support from Adobe but im optimistic that debian might have something going on in that area |
| 10:12.06 | Bushmills | i'm not in a position where i am able to compare, because i don't run ubuntu |
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| 10:13.17 | NyberMi1 | Well, to take it down to basics, would i encounter a lot of problems with the 64 bit version that i wouldn't in the 32 bit version? they basically told me to use the 32b version to avoid problems and that felt a little discouraging considering i was running 6 gigs of ram at the time |
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| 10:22.38 | Bushmills | some closed-source stuff may give problems, like flash |
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| 10:23.04 | Bushmills | though you can install 32 bit libs and use 32 bit versions of said software |
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| 10:23.24 | NyberMi1 | how exactly does one do that? |
| 10:24.24 | Bushmills | instlling ia32 libs should do. whether that's all what is needed i'm not sure |
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| 10:25.07 | NyberMi1 | oh okay... but surely i need to override apt from getting me the 64 bit software if i install software via that? |
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| 10:25.51 | Bushmills | closed source flash plugin is not in debian repository. only the downloader/installer is |
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| 10:26.20 | NyberMi1 | so it uses an alternative by default? |
| 10:26.37 | Bushmills | i *think* you can manually download the plugin, place it in /tmp, and let installer use it from there |
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| 10:29.32 | NyberMi1 | how about firefox or... iceweasel if i remember debian using being 32 or 64? i guess there isn't any 64 bit version even available? |
| 10:32.46 | anddam | bye |
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| 10:33.17 | nkuttler | NyberMi1: 64bit, works just fine |
| 10:33.31 | NyberMi1 | ok |
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| 10:59.59 | instanceofjamie | Hi - does anybody here have the faintest idea if there are packaged builds of openssl-0.9.8p available, and if so, where I can get hold of one? |
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| 11:04.32 | gjvisser1984 | what is the best command to copy a currupt drive and replacing it? |
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| 11:05.41 | petemc | gjvisser1984: ddrescue |
| 11:06.29 | eshat | Is there an easier way to remove a specific host fingerprint from .ssh/known_hosts then opening editor, jump to line and delete ? |
| 11:06.55 | eni23 | someone knows why firefox & thunderbird does not wanna use my gtk-design? iceweasel does ? |
| 11:08.14 | sep | eshat, ssh-keygen -R [host|ip] |
| 11:08.29 | eshat | sep: thank you |
| 11:09.21 | NyberMi1 | eni23, doesn't firefox and thunderbird enforce their own look so that they would look the same cross platform? |
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| 11:09.29 | NyberMi1 | i always got that feeling from them |
| 11:10.34 | eshat | sep: You do not know how much time I save with your help,... thank you again |
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| 11:12.04 | eni23 | NyberMi1: mm yeah normally but iceweasel and ubuntu-firefox looks like the gtk-design? |
| 11:12.34 | NyberMi1 | i don't understand that |
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| 11:14.39 | SgrA | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:14.55 | NyberMi1 | i see no bold |
| 11:15.26 | SgrA | Well the number (235528) |
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| 11:15.49 | simonrvn | google it |
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| 11:16.14 | SgrA | What query? What number is the bold? :P |
| 11:16.24 | SgrA | I got no words in your terminology? |
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| 11:17.02 | simonrvn | think of what you want, the context, and you'll be much further ahead... |
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| 11:17.38 | simonrvn | seriously, it's not that hard, and i'm not doing it for you. |
| 11:18.14 | NyberMi1 | im trying to google it at the moment and i have to admit i am having a little trouble... hints? :) |
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| 11:19.16 | simonrvn | 'cpufreq stats output' for a start |
| 11:19.33 | simonrvn | and maybe the program s/he ran... (that would help) |
| 11:20.13 | SgrA | I don't think she's are smart enough to use Linux! :P |
| 11:20.29 | simonrvn | search engines work via keywords best, though with everyone using sentences this makes it harder to find stuff now.... |
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| 11:20.53 | NyberMi1 | is it uptime in seconds? :P |
| 11:20.59 | SgrA | Nope! |
| 11:21.09 | simonrvn | doesn't look like an uptime to me |
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| 11:21.25 | evilmanu | hi all |
| 11:21.44 | evilmanu | I'm using Debian Squeeze (2.6.37.1 - kernel) and have a problem with samba. I'm trying to connect with a remote PC with command: "smbmount //PC-IP/C$ /mnt/dev -o username=administrator". This command don't send any error, but when listed the dir /mnt/smb ... empty. on command "mount" write "//PC-IP/C$/ on /mnt/smb type cifs (rw,mand)". If want to mount "D$" done without problem and correctly mounted |
| 11:21.53 | simonrvn | all took the chocolate bars, he better not be here :P |
| 11:22.01 | evilmanu | smbclient and nautilus mount C$ correctly and can list inside |
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| 11:25.33 | NyberMi1 | i can't figure out what the value is, sorry SgrA |
| 11:25.56 | SgrA | NyberMi1: Find something? ;p |
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| 11:26.08 | SgrA | stares at simonrvn |
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| 11:26.34 | simonrvn | SgrA: add the util you used, or where you got the data from |
| 11:26.46 | simonrvn | and don't stare at me, you'll lose ;) |
| 11:26.52 | NyberMi1 | SgrA: no, what i said is the opposite. Did not find anything - or specifikally any guide that goes into the details of explaining that particular value |
| 11:26.53 | SgrA | :O |
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| 11:27.13 | melonar | SgrA: yeah, from what command is that data? |
| 11:27.22 | SgrA | cpufreq-info |
| 11:28.08 | simonrvn | there we go, you got some place to start from |
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| 11:30.56 | qwd | Hi, I just did a reinstall of Debian and I left my other harddrive (which uses encryption and lvm) untouched. I tried to mount it by clicking it in Gnomes Places menu and got this: "Not a mountable file system". How do I make it so it's mounted at startup every time? |
| 11:31.04 | NyberMi1 | time spend as idle? |
| 11:31.09 | NyberMi1 | this is hard |
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| 11:31.38 | SgrA | changes into the "Experimental Physicist" lab coat. |
| 11:31.44 | stephan48 | hi, is there a way to create a debian livecd? |
| 11:32.22 | NyberMi1 | http://live.debian.net/ - this look like something you would want? |
| 11:32.45 | simonrvn | of course, the man page helps ;) |
| 11:33.21 | SgrA | Observation 1 > watch -n 0.1 cpufreq-info < The value increases only when I'm doing something say playing around with the terminal window. |
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| 11:34.20 | simonrvn | must be something like context switches, or some other low-level data |
| 11:34.38 | SgrA | It increases by about 6 units when I maximize and then minimize the window. |
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| 11:35.00 | simonrvn | doesn't have a cpu that does variable freq change |
| 11:35.18 | NyberMi1 | wakeups? |
| 11:35.37 | SgrA | Yeah, and when I'm doing that the "ondemand" governor switches from 800 MHz to 2.3 GHz |
| 11:35.44 | SgrA | NyberMi1: What are those? |
| 11:35.50 | SgrA | B) |
| 11:35.55 | simonrvn | well, the man page i found has the info being looked up from /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/ |
| 11:35.59 | NyberMi1 | i was wondering if thats a counter for wakeup calls for the cpuj |
| 11:36.06 | simonrvn | !cpufreq |
| 11:36.06 | dpkg | The Linux kernel CPUfreq subsystem supports frequency scaling on mobile (and some desktop) x86, PowerPC and ARM processors. It provides a simple interface (/proc/cpufreq) for throttling processor speed to save power when the system is idle. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/CpuFrequencyScaling http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/cpufreq/cpufreq.html . See also <power saving>. |
| 11:36.07 | stephan48 | i basically need a platform(with a persistent or easy to rebuild storage) which i can boot from and which loads some stuff configured(a openvpn and maybe a squid proxy) |
| 11:36.15 | Sicelo | is excited that Debian CDs can be bought again in South Africa :) |
| 11:36.42 | SgrA | It increased by 91 units when I moved the terminal around the screen. |
| 11:36.44 | NyberMi1 | Sicelo: due to lack of available bandwidth or? |
| 11:36.56 | SgrA | fires up the BOINC client to see what happens. |
| 11:38.17 | SgrA | Hmm increases by ~7-8 units per second when BOINC is running. |
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| 11:39.32 | gypsymauro | hi, I want to deply a new server, and I'm wondwring which schema for partitions is the best, for example is a good idea to use LVM on the root too? there is a good doc about that? |
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| 11:39.59 | SgrA | !power saving |
| 11:39.59 | dpkg | "Power saving" is not just about hugging trees and avoiding <gentoo>, it is about making your battery last longer and your computer run more quietly (less power used = less heat produced = less fan usage = less noise). Ask me about <cpufreq>, <laptop mode>, <powernowd>, <powertop>. See also http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Ecology-HOWTO/ecology-howto-appendix-a-3.html . http://www.lesswatts.org/ #lesswatts on irc.oftc.net. |
| 11:40.06 | fbs | why is there no mips binutils package in debian? |
| 11:40.15 | SgrA | LOL avoiding Gentoo? Why? |
| 11:40.51 | fbs | LOL |
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| 11:41.09 | fbs | i guess the compiling uses cpu == power |
| 11:41.32 | SgrA | hmm |
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| 11:46.09 | plm | Hi all |
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| 11:47.14 | plm | people, I'm using redir app to do redirect tcp connections, what app does redirect UDP connections? |
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| 11:51.43 | eptalon | heyas |
| 11:52.29 | eptalon | What is causing a "full-screen-blanking" in X11 (XFCE) after a certain period of inactivity? |
| 11:52.43 | eptalon | as in no mouse or kbd input |
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| 11:58.35 | qwd | I just reinstalled Squeeze and left my other harddrive untouched. I'm using LVM and full disk encryption. Problem is I used the same volume group name as I had already used before and there seems to be some conflict. If there's anyone who's good with LVM I'd appreciate it if you could take a look at http://debian.pastebin.com/58GcqykB |
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| 12:00.24 | sep | unplug one of the disks; rename the volumegroup; and replace the disk. |
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| 12:03.34 | fbs | yeah that should work |
| 12:03.46 | fbs | try to give your disks a less common name |
| 12:03.57 | fbs | like disk00_OS or smth |
| 12:04.04 | fbs | unique id for everydisk |
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| 12:07.13 | qwd | Unplug as in physically remove the hard drive? |
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| 12:08.07 | sep | yes. while you rename |
| 12:08.36 | sep | otherways it makes a mess when you want to rename from debian to somethinmg; and there are 2 vg's named debian |
| 12:09.00 | sep | you dont have to move it far tho. unplugging the cable suffices |
| 12:09.19 | sep | or disabeling it in bios if it's remote |
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| 12:11.11 | Unode|Work | is there any known issue with the system not finding /init nor /sbin/init after migration from lenny to squeeze? |
| 12:11.55 | Unode|Work | We are having problems with a server that was booting fine with the lenny kernel but was failing with the squeeze kernel |
| 12:12.05 | Unode|Work | the issue is somehow related to initram |
| 12:12.14 | sep | Unode|Work, most often the last message you see, is just a consequence of an earlier error message. look further up. or put the whole error log on a paster |
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| 12:12.34 | Unode|Work | after reconfiguring linux-image both kernel versions stopped working |
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| 12:12.56 | Unode|Work | the old kernel was booting fine on grub2 so grub is not the issue |
| 12:13.03 | Unode|Work | sep, there is no other message |
| 12:13.20 | Unode|Work | just "kernel panic ... /init not found |
| 12:13.29 | Unode|Work | or /sbin/init |
| 12:13.43 | sep | Unode|Work, if your argumentline contains things like quiet ; then boot without those. |
| 12:13.50 | qwd | Should I put the logical volumes (from different physical volumes) in the same volume group? That's how I did it before, but maybe it's better not to..? |
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| 12:14.45 | Unode|Work | sep, there's a stack trace is that what you want? |
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| 12:14.53 | Unode|Work | it doesn't show anything obvious |
| 12:14.54 | sep | qwd, i group logical volumes that naturlally belong together in the same vg. most often i only have one. but on big servers i sometimes have a vg for the system volumes. and another volume group for eg storage or something |
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| 12:15.55 | sep | Unode|Work, sorry have not seen something like that; did the old kernel fail as well ? |
| 12:15.59 | Unode|Work | the system is amd64 by the way |
| 12:16.17 | Unode|Work | sep, after running update-initramfs both kernels stopped working |
| 12:16.38 | Unode|Work | the old one was still working before running this command |
| 12:17.01 | qwd | sep: fbs: Thanks! |
| 12:20.04 | fbs | :) |
| 12:20.41 | fbs | qwd: the layout of your lvm setup depends on the config you want |
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| 12:22.21 | Unode|Work | sep, the calltrace includes reference to vgacon_cursor |
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| 12:22.29 | Unode|Work | is this familiar to you in any way? |
| 12:22.45 | sep | sorry no |
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| 12:24.14 | sep | could be you are missing some firmware tho. |
| 12:24.49 | sep | not sure if that would break the old kernel tho... probably not. |
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| 12:29.25 | fbs | are you sure grub is fine? |
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| 12:29.46 | Unode|Work | fbs, well before the old kernel booted both with the new and old grub |
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| 12:30.11 | Unode|Work | sep, I've installed the firwmare packages but nothing changed |
| 12:30.12 | fbs | grub gets updated when you get a new kernel |
| 12:30.17 | fbs | maybe something b0rked it. |
| 12:30.38 | fbs | maybe the root isnt mounted |
| 12:30.46 | Unode|Work | fbs, the kernel panic is after the initrd is loaded, so it's already past grub |
| 12:30.58 | Unode|Work | but the root not being mounted could explain |
| 12:31.23 | Unode|Work | although I don't see why would it fail since grub itself can find the files |
| 12:31.42 | eshat | What could be the reason for thousand of messages like: "automount[20153]: mount(nfs): warning: /home/xxx is already mounted" within a second? |
| 12:31.47 | Unode|Work | vmlinuz and initramfs I mean |
| 12:32.13 | fbs | checking grub shouldnt me to much work |
| 12:32.33 | acemi_ | maybe it cannot mount the root part. is it hdX or sdX |
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| 12:32.36 | sep | the log will tell you if linux finds disks |
| 12:32.41 | sep | also /proc/partitions |
| 12:32.57 | fbs | eshat: maybe a wrong line in fstab? |
| 12:33.19 | eshat | fbs: nothin in fstab, I use automounter |
| 12:33.40 | Unode|Work | acemi_, sda1 |
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| 12:34.17 | fbs | eshat: then check your automounter |
| 12:34.31 | Unode|Work | sep, working on it, currently checking the disks to ensure they are sane, might take a while |
| 12:34.41 | fbs | Unode|Work: are you using labels in grub, or the uid? |
| 12:34.49 | eshat | fbs: I am, but can't find any mistake.... mounting works, I just wonder about these messages |
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| 12:36.16 | Unode|Work | fbs, tried both, no change |
| 12:37.21 | fbs | oh |
| 12:37.26 | fbs | im off, good luck |
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| 12:55.15 | Seppoz | hello, im still trying to figure out why my root user cant login in grip squeeze, im using singleuser mode |
| 12:56.07 | OpenTokix | Seppoz: Caps lock? |
| 12:56.18 | Seppoz | no caps |
| 12:56.20 | Seppoz | actually no user can log in |
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| 12:56.44 | alexxio | Seppoz: did you try adding a new user? |
| 12:56.53 | Seppoz | i already changed the root password using the init=/bis/sh |
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| 12:56.58 | Seppoz | and also added a new user |
| 12:57.08 | alexxio | what error gives? |
| 12:57.18 | Seppoz | incorrect login |
| 12:58.33 | Seppoz | T0:12345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttySAC0 115200 vt100 is the console im trying to log in |
| 12:58.41 | Seppoz | ttySAC0 |
| 12:58.49 | Seppoz | is listed in securetty |
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| 13:02.39 | Seppoz | shadow lists the new user: emdebian:$6$PcHcYb81$mdTkuKwOVM.ZVWOZj0JTvG.lwGRMkU516zY.rr/Ua.EfURjFW/HhKvIreHvPxQsOXo36RKh4jPyNL8IRPz9CD/:-10289:::::: but im not sure if -10289 is propper, furthermore the root aint listed at all there |
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| 13:03.16 | Seppoz | shadow- lists root, but no idea what shadow- is |
| 13:03.45 | qwd | In my fstab I have "/dev/mapper/debian-debian /" If I renamed the volume group to debsys and logical volume to system it should be "/dev/mapper/debsys-system /", right? |
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| 13:06.34 | qwd | Sorry, got disconnected. Did anyone reply? If not I guess I'll just give it a try and hope for the best. |
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| 13:07.59 | Seppoz | qwd: no |
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| 13:14.54 | tweek_ | qwd: i think so. in my fstab i have "/dev/mapper/aspire-lv1 /", aspire is the name of the volume group, and lv1 is the logical volume |
| 13:16.21 | gypsymauro | when you install debian it shows you a list of available repositories, how can I reconfigure apt to select from one of that archives? |
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| 13:17.10 | abrotman | gypsymauro: you mean after the fact? |
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| 13:18.22 | gypsymauro | yes |
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| 13:18.32 | gypsymauro | something like apt-..? setup? |
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| 13:19.05 | abrotman | gypsymauro: you cannot .. it used to be apt-setup, but that's gone ... if you want a magic method, use apt-spy/netselect-apt .. otherwise, /msg dpkg squeeze sources.list or debian.org/mirrors/list & man sources.list |
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| 13:20.13 | gypsymauro | abrotman: isn't shipped with debian anymore? |
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| 13:20.48 | abrotman | what? apt-setup? it hasn't been created as a separate package .. it needs some TLC |
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| 13:21.05 | gypsymauro | abrotman: yes I know but sometimes you have no browser or connections so it was nice to have it |
| 13:21.11 | gypsymauro | abrotman: what's TLC |
| 13:21.28 | themill | thin layer chromotography |
| 13:21.58 | abrotman | !tlc |
| 13:21.58 | dpkg | from memory, tlc is Tender Loving Care |
| 13:22.10 | abrotman | gypsymauro: you can ask someone here to create an apt line for you |
| 13:22.28 | abrotman | gypsymauro: or /msg dpkg squeeze sources.list .. it will give oyu two lines to use |
| 13:22.37 | gypsymauro | I've already found abrotman , just wondering :) |
| 13:23.01 | gypsymauro | someone here uses rdesktop on a 64 bit environment? |
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| 13:29.31 | sepi_ | I'm using sid and somehow xorg seems broken. I unfortunately updated my system, after which xorg stopped working because the nvidia driver could not be installed anymore. I installed the old packages from the apt cache manually using dpkg and could "fix" the x server. Now when I want to install packages using aptitude, it wants to remove all xserver and nvidia related packages. Can I somehow mark these packages not to be uninstalled? |
| 13:29.56 | nkuttler | !tell sepi_ about hold |
| 13:32.37 | stew | sepi_: +packagename1 +packagename2 +packagename3 etc when it asks you to accept a solution |
| 13:32.52 | stew | sepi_: which nvidia driver are you talking about? |
| 13:33.27 | sepi_ | stew: the proprietary one |
| 13:35.06 | stew | sepi_: if they are packages which are marked as auto and you want to keep them, mark them as manual with apitutde unmarkauto or with apt-mark |
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| 13:36.31 | lenswipe | hey |
| 13:36.46 | lenswipe | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:36.57 | ksk | cool :) |
| 13:36.58 | lenswipe | and they use squid proxy and iptables with really tardy settings |
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| 13:37.12 | lenswipe | ie: they block everything except HTTP |
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| 13:37.26 | lenswipe | is it possible to use apt-get over HTTP ? |
| 13:37.48 | joltcan | lenswipe: thats the default configuration |
| 13:37.49 | stew | lenswipe: yes, mant sources.list ; /msg dpkg squeeze sources.list |
| 13:37.55 | ralfgro_ | I'm trying to run a script during system boot that requires user interaction |
| 13:37.57 | stew | there is no default configuration |
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| 13:38.05 | lenswipe | stew: ? |
| 13:38.14 | ralfgro_ | and shoul run on lenny, squeeze and ubuntu |
| 13:38.17 | lenswipe | joltcan: why does it time out when i point it at my college's proxy server then? |
| 13:38.18 | stew | lamstyle: sorry "man sources.list" |
| 13:38.28 | sepi_ | stew: nkuttler: thanks, that seemed to work :) |
| 13:38.32 | stew | lamstyle: if you need to set a proxy, see "man apt.conf' |
| 13:38.43 | ralfgro_ | any idea what the right place would be for this? |
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| 13:39.05 | stew | !tell root____2 about root |
| 13:39.20 | ralfgro_ | the script should run after network is up and befor the user is logged in |
| 13:39.21 | plm | people, to tests if one TCP port are answer I use telnet, and what app can I use to test a UDP? |
| 13:40.33 | lenswipe | stew: im lenswipe not lamstyle |
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| 13:40.40 | stew | sorry |
| 13:40.47 | lenswipe | its k ill do that :) |
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| 13:42.22 | goathird | test |
| 13:42.38 | joltcan | plm: I usually use nc (netcat) for that |
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| 13:43.27 | dar__ | hi all |
| 13:43.56 | joltcan | plm: nc -l -u 1234 on one machine, then nc -u host port on the other machine |
| 13:44.01 | dar__ | i can't fund any link on the net to download Debian Lenny i can only find 6.0 version :( but i need the old one to do tests |
| 13:44.01 | wolfric | where is the rc script that spawns getty on the ttys. I see tty1/2/3.conf in /etc/init but i thought there was supposed to be some sort of script in /etc/rc?.d/to spawn them? |
| 13:44.32 | plm | joltcan: for udp? |
| 13:44.45 | stew | wolfric: they are started by /sbin/init after reading /etc/inittab |
| 13:45.54 | wolfric | stew: thanks found it :) |
| 13:45.55 | joltcan | plm: yes, thats the "-u" option |
| 13:46.03 | plm | joltcan: ok |
| 13:46.22 | joltcan | plm: But I didn't say that I use the easiest way, there might be other programs to do it |
| 13:46.59 | joltcan | plm: you could use netstat -anp|grep port on the system as well, just to see if the program is listening to a port or not |
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| 13:48.04 | plm | joltcan: ok thanks |
| 13:48.47 | goathird | joltcan: how does nc function on TCP/IP? |
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| 13:49.42 | goathird | stats or functions? |
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| 13:59.02 | DarkStar1 | how do I find out if my OS is 64 or 32 bit? |
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| 13:59.25 | plm | joltcan: in server(192.168.0.53) I do 'nc -l -u -p 1234' and with netstat -an | grep -i 1234 I see that port opened. But when I in client start 'nc -u 192.168.0.53 1234', that netstat don't show connection of client.. |
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| 14:00.18 | OpenTokix | DarkStar1: uname -a |
| 14:00.56 | OpenTokix | DarkStar1: or -m |
| 14:01.10 | abrotman | dpkg-architecture |
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| 14:02.41 | joltcan | plm: type something in the client, it should show up in the server |
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| 14:03.44 | plm | joltcan: ok, working.. :-) |
| 14:05.13 | joltcan | plm: goodie |
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| 14:09.40 | Mmike | Is there a way to set services order start in upstart? |
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| 14:13.19 | plm | joltcan: do you know what is wrong in this? "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward; iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p udp --dport 9040 -j DNAT --to-dest 192.168.0.53; iptables -A FORWARD -p udp -i eth0 --dport 9040 -d 192.168.0.53 -j ACCEPT"? I want redirect all UDP connections incomming in serveer to a internal machine where are running that necat server.. |
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| 14:18.17 | goathird | my setup for debian will be precise. |
| 14:18.35 | abrotman | will it now? |
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| 14:18.42 | stockholm | amazing! |
| 14:18.42 | goathird | lol |
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| 14:19.36 | goathird | picks new songs to listen to |
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| 14:20.50 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 14:21.29 | johnfg | this is a question about evolution contacts, as I'm running squeeze & lenny. |
| 14:21.40 | qwd | Hi, I'm having problems with an encrypted drive which uses LVM. I asked about it before and I unplugged it and renamed it. Now I can't seem to unlock it. I'm in Disk Utility and I press "Unlock Volume", it tells me "Incorrect Passphrase", but it is the correct passphrase! Also I did "vgreduce --removemissing debian |
| 14:21.50 | joltcan | plm: not sure (I usually don't have -d on FORWARD), but you can see if it seems to work by using tcpdump -ni ethX host 192.168.0.53 on your gw |
| 14:21.51 | plm | joltcan: around? |
| 14:21.54 | plm | :-) |
| 14:22.03 | qwd | Which seems to have removed all logical volumes from that old volume group. |
| 14:22.10 | johnfg | I'm using ldap for my contacts, but am having trouble getting all the contacts to be displayed with an advanced search. |
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| 14:22.34 | johnfg | I've asked at gimpnet, #evolution, but haven't got an answer. |
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| 14:22.54 | abrotman | johnfg: define "all" ? |
| 14:22.55 | plm | joltcan: I'm doing tests with netcat one client, trying to connect to server behnd the server that are doing that redir and not working... :-( I will to try get out that -d |
| 14:23.12 | johnfg | if anyone has experience in what syntax can be used to show all the contacts, that would be great. |
| 14:23.21 | abrotman | johnfg: the default config has an option to limit the number of results returned IIRC |
| 14:23.52 | johnfg | abrotman, Right, but I'm not up, to what it was, but raised it to 500 anyway. |
| 14:23.53 | joltcan | plm: the problem is that you don't know if the gw is the problem or the remote server, so try with tcpdump and see if you can spot any packets when you type something in the nc client. So you could run tcpdump on both the gw and the server |
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| 14:24.31 | abrotman | johnfg: perhaps ask the ldap people what the wildcard is that might return all ... or try something like *@* if they're email addresses etc |
| 14:24.55 | abrotman | or was that just "@" ? |
| 14:25.13 | johnfg | abrotman, good thought, but I'm almost positive it's an evolution oddity. |
| 14:26.13 | abrotman | johnfg: also, It may not be searching the fields you think it is |
| 14:26.16 | johnfg | If you look at the advanced search, it would seem like you could use some of the common search conventions like, aA-zZ to get all, or * or something. |
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| 14:27.56 | tomble | Is it possible to use a non-sixxs ipv6 name server using aiccu? |
| 14:28.01 | goathird | it's like i'm in this matrix with Tank introducing me to it. i haven't been plugged in yet, he's just explaining. |
| 14:28.57 | abrotman | johnfg: FWIW, there are ldap channels, they may know if evolution has some .. difficulty |
| 14:29.59 | joltcan | plm: oh, and if you use -nvL to iptables you will see if your rule has any pkts or not. If it doesn't well, then the rule doesn't match |
| 14:30.00 | plm | joltcan: udp data are going ok to the server ehere has the iptable rules for redirect. But 192.168.0.53 (redirected by server) is not receiving.. |
| 14:30.13 | johnfg | abrotman, yeah, I go to #openldap from time to time, and they're helpful, like with getting evolutionperson.schema where it should be, and what it should be. But not with the searches from within evo. |
| 14:30.40 | joltcan | plm: are you sure the server doesn't have any iptables on it? |
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| 14:32.08 | plm | joltcan: how? is this: client send data to server (200.215.xx.xx) that has iptable rule to redirect to internal 192.168.0.53. Server 200.215... are receiving data in 9040 port udp, I see in tcpdump, but internal machine 192.168.0.53 not are receiveing |
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| 14:32.49 | plm | joltcan: in client sending data and internal machine don't have iptables rules |
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| 14:33.05 | joltcan | plm: if you look in 200.215.x.x, do you see any traffic on the ethX that goes to 192.168.0.53? |
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| 14:34.43 | plm | joltcan: not, just client -> 200.215.. |
| 14:34.58 | plm | joltcan: nothing to 192.168.0.53 |
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| 14:35.17 | goathird | wow. |
| 14:35.31 | eptalon | can SID mdadm do things like RAID 51/61 in software? |
| 14:35.58 | joltcan | plm: could you paste me the output of iptables -nvL and -nvL -t nat on paste.se or something |
| 14:36.01 | goathird | co-lo suffices. |
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| 14:36.09 | plm | joltcan: yes |
| 14:36.15 | goathird | check. done. |
| 14:36.17 | newwer | Is qt 4.7 available in repository ? |
| 14:36.42 | joltcan | newwer: ask packages.debian.org ? |
| 14:37.40 | goathird | actually, i was thinking now. |
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| 14:39.58 | plm | joltcan: http://dpaste.com/437877/ |
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| 14:42.32 | goathird | Kingston & Corsair maybe. |
| 14:42.44 | goathird | memory is the shizzle these days. |
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| 14:42.55 | joltcan | plm: I think first rule matches, so you have your traffic going to 192.168.0.30 |
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| 14:43.13 | joltcan | plm: do not just add new rules, remove the old one before adding a new |
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| 14:44.03 | plm | joltcan: 192.168.0.30 is a alias etho0:0 of client that are seding data via netcat |
| 14:45.19 | plm | joltcan: I remove old rules, see tahat iptables -F ? |
| 14:45.53 | joltcan | plm: iptables -t nat -F PREROUTING |
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| 14:48.20 | goathird | i should check out web sites in cyber space and skiddaddle. |
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| 14:49.37 | goathird | i'mm sooo sorrrry... oh ah ha hi ha i'm soooo sorrry... oh ahhh ah ha hii why do you come here |
| 14:50.40 | goathird | elite skills are in the hizouse mo fo. |
| 14:50.53 | goathird | i can do god mode in IRC. |
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| 14:54.04 | plm | joltcan: now is working.. now I see in server sending udp data to 192.168.0.53... |
| 14:54.27 | plm | joltcan: and in netstat one internal machine I see estabelshed |
| 14:54.28 | joltcan | plm: So today you have learnt "first rule matches" in iptables :) |
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| 14:54.42 | plm | joltcan: but in tcpdump in 192.168.0.53 not show the same as in server |
| 14:54.55 | dwq | Hi, I reinstalled Squeeze and left my other hard drive (using dm-crypt and lvm) untouched. Now I can't seem to unlock it. In Disk Utility I press "Unlock Volume", it tells me "Incorrect Passphrase", but it is the correct passphrase! Also I did "vgreduce --removemissing debian" which seems to have removed all logical volumes from that old volume group. Here's the output of a few commands http://debian.pastebin.com/B4FJSsjG Oh, and I get this in the terminal when ru |
| 14:55.03 | plm | joltcan: yes is taht 'iptables -t nat -F PREROUTING' right? |
| 14:55.09 | plm | joltcan: thanks |
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| 14:56.09 | joltcan | plm: since you use DNAT functionality of iptables, it is not supposed to look the same |
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| 14:56.48 | aissen | hi, do you know on which server I can download packages that were just uploaded and not propagated yet ? |
| 14:57.08 | SgrA_star_ | I work on the terminal frequently and suddenly this started happening: I input a command, it produces some output but the last line is NOT displayed and nor is my prompt. Then when I hit enter, both appear with an extra prompt as if the prompt was never invisible and I pressed enter on empty prompt. |
| 14:57.30 | dvs | aissen: packages.debian.org ? |
| 14:59.00 | aissen | dvs: it does not seem there yet, see: http://packages.debian.org/sid/broadcom-sta-source and http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/broadcom-sta.html |
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| 15:00.16 | goathird | this is how i look now -_- |
| 15:00.29 | dvs | aissen: 5.60.48.36-3 is not new enough? |
| 15:00.36 | aissen | ok, found it on incoming |
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| 15:00.39 | aissen | dvs: nope |
| 15:01.04 | aissen | dvs : http://incoming.debian.org/broadcom-sta-source_5.100.82.38-1_all.deb |
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| 15:09.51 | goathird | gambling is a thief. |
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| 15:10.49 | goathird | reckon? |
| 15:10.57 | abrotman | goathird: do you have a Debian related question? |
| 15:11.14 | goathird | nothing specific yet, dear. |
| 15:11.18 | abrotman | then shut up |
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| 15:12.16 | goathird | i'm looking at some screenies at customize.org. simply beautiful. |
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| 15:12.39 | abrotman | goathird: you've been silenced for being offtopic |
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| 15:13.45 | aguitel | anyway to check and fix divx video in debian ? |
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| 15:17.27 | Unode|Work | does anyone know what files are used by update-initramfs and mkinitramfs as template? |
| 15:17.56 | Unode|Work | sep, fbs, I've nailed down the issue to initramfs |
| 15:18.08 | cantido | aguitel: check for corrupt files? |
| 15:18.08 | Unode|Work | for some reason the machine is generating a broken initramfs |
| 15:18.21 | aguitel | cantido, yes |
| 15:18.34 | Unode|Work | copying the initrd from another machine with the same kernel version works fine |
| 15:18.51 | cantido | aguitel: I think, not 100%, that the AVI container has some checksums and there are tools to check those.. but I'm not sure on that |
| 15:18.51 | aguitel | cantido, the video file cannot play in vlc ,it freeze |
| 15:19.27 | cantido | Unode|Work: /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf |
| 15:19.35 | cantido | Unode|Work: what does it say for MODULES= |
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| 15:20.57 | Unode|Work | cantido, most |
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| 15:21.42 | oliva | Is it possible to set the default gateway on another subnet? If I try it I get "SIOCADDRT: No such process" |
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| 15:21.52 | oliva | I have explicitey set a static route to the subnet of the gateway, and to the gateway itself. |
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| 15:22.09 | oliva | check this out http://pastebin.com/rRt6HCCs |
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| 15:23.42 | Unode|Work | cantido, any other ideas? |
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| 15:25.20 | flo` | hi |
| 15:25.36 | flo` | i'm trying to compile a recent version of muse, but it fails because it cannot find qt libs |
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| 15:26.02 | flo` | i have qt3-mt and qt3-mt-dev installed, but i assume it fails, because qt3 is installed to /usr/include/qt3 instead of /usr/include/qt |
| 15:26.10 | flo` | what's the cleanest way to solve that? |
| 15:26.19 | flo` | patch a single line in the configure script? |
| 15:26.23 | flo` | create a symlink? |
| 15:27.52 | karlpinc | flo`: Invoke ./config with the right arguments |
| 15:29.01 | stew | flo`: apt-get build-dep muse |
| 15:29.26 | flo` | aaah, ./configure --help helps xD |
| 15:29.28 | flo` | thanks karlpinc |
| 15:31.02 | cantido | flo`: the configure script should let you pass in where QT iss |
| 15:31.12 | flo` | yep, i managed to do it already ;) |
| 15:31.26 | cantido | yeah, I read the scrollback after hitting enter ;) |
| 15:31.31 | flo` | ;) |
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| 15:32.14 | flo` | hrm, i hate programs which don't specify all their build deps properly :( |
| 15:32.15 | tweefari | Hi. |
| 15:32.18 | tweefari | Does POSIX support multiline regexes? |
| 15:32.21 | tweefari | I've tried something like '.*^FOO' |
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| 15:32.55 | justin_ | tweefari: what tool are you using? |
| 15:33.06 | flo` | tweefari, first, there's a #posix channel ;) and second, maybe a \n does the job? |
| 15:33.10 | tweefari | justin_, ZSH :) |
| 15:33.26 | tweefari | justin_, either through =~ or -regex-match |
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| 15:43.45 | tweefari | Guess nobody knows. |
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| 15:47.22 | oliva | any help? |
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| 15:50.49 | Hans_Henrik | with GParted, i wanted to transfer a 40 gb ntfs partition to the end of the drive. it started moving, and about 8 GB done, power failed... and i'd like to preserve as much of the data as possible... any idea what i should do now? |
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| 15:51.53 | homie | Hans_Henrik: do you have ntfs-3g ? |
| 15:52.20 | homie | Hans_Henrik: maybe you should first fsck it with the ntfs drivers capabilities |
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| 15:52.38 | homie | Hans_Henrik: if it got disrupted, it maybe in a bad state anyway |
| 15:53.08 | justin_ | fsck is probably a bad idea, gparted might be able to resume, I'd check the docs for that |
| 15:53.14 | homie | ok |
| 15:53.45 | Hans_Henrik | i have ntfs-3g yes |
| 15:54.04 | homie | Hans_Henrik: do like justin_ told, first try to resume |
| 15:54.17 | homie | Hans_Henrik: if it does not proceed, maybe you should then fsck |
| 15:54.26 | justin_ | Hans_Henrik: http://gparted-forum.surf4.info/viewtopic.php?pid=4151#p4151 |
| 15:54.54 | Hans_Henrik | thanks |
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| 16:13.43 | RichiH | am i right in assuming that dual head setup for fglrx means i still need a partial config for x.org? |
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| 16:14.27 | homie | no |
| 16:15.00 | homie | fglrx has an option to create a xorg.conf for dual-head |
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| 16:16.01 | RichiH | homie: do you happen to remember the command? :) |
| 16:16.33 | homie | RichiH: not really, sorry |
| 16:16.42 | homie | !fglrx |
| 16:16.42 | dpkg | fglrx is the ATI/AMD proprietary display driver for Radeon HD and FireGL graphics cards. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series (i.e. models up to and including the Radeon X1950) are supported; use the <radeon> or <radeonhd> drivers for device support. To install fglrx, ask me about <fglrx dkms>, <fglrx pre-built> or see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:17.03 | homie | maybe ask on #ati ? |
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| 16:17.47 | homie | there's an X --configure option too though |
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| 16:17.59 | homie | man X, or xorg |
| 16:18.11 | homie | X --configure --dual-head or something like that should be there too |
| 16:18.37 | jhutchins_lt | RichiH: The display configuration utilities of your Window Manager should include settings for multiple screens. They generally use the xinerama back-end, depending on the features of the video driver. |
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| 16:18.54 | jhutchins_lt | RichiH: We have heard that compiz is not compatible with xinerama. |
| 16:19.43 | rgr | why is my debian netbook suddenly nOT asking for a password when I bring it out of suspend mode?!?!? Very annoying and a huge security hole. (squeeze). |
| 16:19.53 | stew | i wonder if i've ever used a window manager with a display configuration utility |
| 16:20.05 | rgr | homie: for which care are you sugesting X --dual-head "or something"? |
| 16:20.10 | rgr | s/care/card |
| 16:20.15 | danboid | Anyone know of a guide to making a CD/DVD archive of non-free (+ anything else not included in the official archive DVDs like contrib?)? |
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| 16:21.09 | rgr | Its not the window managers job to set the HW display configuration. Its the Window Managers job to query that set up and make use of it. |
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| 16:21.32 | jhutchins_lt | stew: KDE? Gnome? XFCE? |
| 16:21.34 | homie | danboid: set a script to download all those stuff, and compile it for your current arch and debian with a multilib multiarch gcc maybe ? |
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| 16:22.02 | stew | jhutchins_lt: ah, i figured you didn't actually mean window manager |
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| 16:22.06 | rgr | *blink* |
| 16:22.10 | stew | jhutchins_lt: (those aren't window managers) |
| 16:22.27 | jhutchins_lt | stew: KDE and Gnome are, of course, Desktop Environments, but they are also or they include window managers. |
| 16:22.32 | homie | i mean if there's anything to compile...most will be binarys anyway |
| 16:22.44 | rgr | they havwe default window managers. |
| 16:22.52 | jhutchins_lt | XFCE certainly is considered more of a wm than a de. |
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| 16:22.55 | stew | and their default winodw managers don't contain these features |
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| 16:23.13 | rgr | and they dont include features to set the HW window config. |
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| 16:23.15 | danboid | homie, Thanks but I'd like a more definite answer or even better a guide. I think I can do this with debmirror |
| 16:23.17 | RichiH | jhutchins_lt: kde 4.5 does not even seem to know that i have two screens |
| 16:23.20 | jhutchins_lt | stew: So I need more coffee. |
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| 16:23.29 | RichiH | jhutchins_lt: xrandr shows two screens,though |
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| 16:23.48 | sako | hey guys does apt-get handle deps as good as aptitude yet/ |
| 16:23.57 | sako | in squeeze* |
| 16:24.00 | jhutchins_lt | RichiH: That's what they usually use through the control panel or whatever. |
| 16:24.07 | RichiH | sako: "good" is relative. i prefer apt-get's way most of the time |
| 16:24.24 | sako | RichiH: thanks.. ill give it a shot again :) |
| 16:24.33 | sako | aptitude is kind of... old :/ |
| 16:24.40 | sako | feels like a grandpa |
| 16:24.41 | stew | ? |
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| 16:25.01 | RichiH | sako: i am not sure what you are saying, as aptitude is a lot more recent |
| 16:25.08 | rgr | stick with aptitude. I still dont think its good to mix them. |
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| 16:25.16 | stew | its fine to mix them |
| 16:25.22 | rgr | So they say. |
| 16:25.32 | rgr | That was not my epxerience 6 months ago. |
| 16:25.38 | sako | the problem is aptitude doesn't have an equivalent to this does it? apt-get --build source package |
| 16:25.47 | stew | sako: it does not |
| 16:26.02 | sako | i find i need this alot with debian :/ |
| 16:26.14 | stew | rgr: did you file a bug? |
| 16:26.25 | stew | rgr: and what exactly was the problem? |
| 16:27.02 | rgr | I was told it was being addressed. Cant tell you the exact problem only that I ended up with dependency hell and half my system wiped out. A few others had the same. I simply stick with aptitude now and have no issues. |
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| 16:27.21 | stew | rgr: what is "dependency hell"? |
| 16:27.27 | RichiH | rgr: that sounds strange to say the least |
| 16:27.30 | stew | rgr: half your system got wiped out? |
| 16:27.46 | RichiH | no offence, but is suspect pebkac |
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| 16:27.51 | stew | too |
| 16:28.08 | sako | lol |
| 16:28.08 | rgr | Yes. If you dont know what dependency hell is then not much point me cntinuing. The issues are documented in google. |
| 16:28.36 | rgr | It might well be fixed/sorted. I dont know. I only know the issue came from mixing both. |
| 16:28.45 | RichiH | rgr: google is just indexing what others say |
| 16:28.45 | rgr | And sticking with aptitude I am more than happy. |
| 16:28.49 | sako | RichiH: you haven't had a problem using just apt-get right? |
| 16:28.53 | RichiH | and people say a lot of unbased things ;) |
| 16:28.58 | rgr | I dont use apt-get. |
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| 16:29.02 | danboid | Dependency Hell? Yeah, thats called Fedora normally isn't it? ;) |
| 16:29.12 | rgr | RichiH: Yes I saw the wrong advice you were gettting about Wms there... |
| 16:29.26 | RichiH | sako: if you are talking "after 2000-2002", then no |
| 16:29.34 | sacredchao | I have my Debian system installed on a 128GB SSD. If I were to upgrade to a 256GB SSD from a different vendor, could I still use dd to copy my OS and data as it was on the old drive exactly? |
| 16:29.41 | sako | RichiH: k perfect.. i trut you lol |
| 16:29.44 | sako | trust* |
| 16:29.46 | justin_ | it is pretty hard to screw up a debian system as long as you don't start mixing stable and sid |
| 16:29.48 | RichiH | xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1680x1680 (desired size 3360x1050) |
| 16:29.53 | stew | sako: using eitehr or both is just fine |
| 16:30.28 | danboid | sacredchao, fsarc |
| 16:30.29 | stew | sako: debian release team even recommends both for different types of tasks. they would recommend aptitude from upgrading from etch to lenny but apt-get for lenny to squeeze for instance |
| 16:30.36 | danboid | sacredchao, Yes, fsarchiver |
| 16:30.47 | RichiH | jhutchins_lt: to revise what i said earlier, kde detects that i have two screens, but when i do the detection dance, it claims _both_ displays are DFP1 _and_ DFP2 |
| 16:31.01 | RichiH | xrandr --auto --output DFP1 --mode 1680x1050 --right-of DFP2 results in the above |
| 16:31.09 | sako | stew: what i don't get is why there is so much info out there on "not mixing the two" |
| 16:31.26 | sako | stew: also people saying if you use aptitude, use _only_ aptitude and never apt-get |
| 16:31.28 | treebeen | sacredchao: you could, but it would leave you with 128gb |
| 16:31.30 | cahoot | defian a virtual screen of desired dimensions? |
| 16:31.34 | stew | RichiH: yeah, when I had that I had to create a minimal xorg.conf that set the size to 3360x1050 or whatever first |
| 16:31.37 | cahoot | definw |
| 16:32.09 | stew | sako: that was a problem with apt < 0.7, before apt and aptitude know how to share information about what packages were auto-installed |
| 16:32.09 | RichiH | i tried to set SubSection "Display" \n Viewport 0 0 \n Depth 24 \n Virtual 3360 1050, but that ended in two mirrored 1440x1050 screens for whatever reason |
| 16:32.09 | danboid | treebeen, dd would, fsarchiver would use all the space available |
| 16:32.10 | sacredchao | danboid: So you are saying that no, I should *not* use dd |
| 16:32.16 | stew | RichiH: right, but then your xrandr invoacation should fix that |
| 16:32.19 | sako | stew: makes sense, thank you! |
| 16:32.21 | sacredchao | treebeen: leave me with 128gb unpartitioned you mean? |
| 16:32.23 | RichiH | stew: can you paste your current config in query, assuming you hav fglrx? |
| 16:32.31 | treebeen | danboid: yeah, but fsarchiver does not regenerate the mbr |
| 16:32.38 | stew | RichiH: i don't have fglrx |
| 16:32.38 | danboid | sacredchao, Yes, forget about dd- its crap for imaging discs |
| 16:32.43 | RichiH | pity |
| 16:33.03 | treebeen | sacredchao: yeah |
| 16:33.23 | danboid | treebeen, not a problem- just run update-grub; grub-install /dev/whatever |
| 16:33.57 | stew | RichiH: but basically, i used X -configure, then edited the "Virtual" to make it large enough, and added xrandr to setup "--right-of" in .xsession |
| 16:34.22 | danboid | treebeen, sacredchao : easiest way to do that IMO is with supergrubdisc |
| 16:34.25 | homie | why do you use virtual ? |
| 16:34.38 | sacredchao | danboid: I have 2 partitions... 1 is an unencrypted /boot that is ext2 and easily archived I think, just 256MiB... but the other is an encrypted partition with dm-crypt/LUKS that contains logical volumes, which THEN contains filesystems |
| 16:34.40 | treebeen | danboid: right, why can't fsarchiver do that? it would be the best tool out there |
| 16:35.02 | jhutchins_lt | I have seen setups where the "configure display" utility in KDE would handle all of this. Clearly there are several components behind it, and they may not work with all display drivers. |
| 16:35.02 | homie | give it a Modes line like Modes "1280x1024" "blah" "blah" |
| 16:35.05 | danboid | treebeen, MBR support is included in the next release |
| 16:35.10 | sacredchao | So in that case I think fsarchiver might not copy all the useful data that comprises my LVM and encryption configurations, am I right? |
| 16:35.16 | homie | just after the viewport |
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| 16:35.43 | stew | homie: how does it know which monitor that mode is for? |
| 16:35.51 | homie | i never bothered with virtual, if you give it the right hsync and vrefresh things it goes all well normally |
| 16:36.00 | danboid | sacredchao, I have never used fsarchiver with encrypted partitions, sorry. You MAY need to decrypt it first- I dunno |
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| 16:36.31 | homie | stew: if you have two monitors, make two screen sections, and put the right monitor thing in there |
| 16:36.43 | sacredchao | danboid: The complexity of my setup is why I thought first of trying to just copy the entire partition bit by bit with dd |
| 16:36.50 | treebeen | danboid: ok, nice to hear that |
| 16:36.55 | waterloo2005 | How to install nautilus-elementary ? thanks |
| 16:37.06 | homie | stew: two monitor sections, named, two screens named, both referreing to distinct monitors |
| 16:37.29 | RichiH | stew: heh, X -configure tells me the number od created screens does not match the number of detected devices and quits |
| 16:37.51 | homie | that's what i did , cause my monitor 1 was an lcd, and the other an crt, once.... |
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| 16:38.07 | stew | homie: that was done |
| 16:38.21 | homie | and i even got the directional mouse right... |
| 16:38.24 | stew | homie: but i still get the same error complaining about maximum size |
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| 16:43.35 | flo` | hi |
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| 16:43.43 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Maximum size is limited by the video controller's memory. |
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| 16:44.11 | stew | jhutchins_lt: that does not seem to be the case here |
| 16:44.16 | flo` | does anyone know why muse, both the debian version and the up-to-date 1.1 version, cause my x-server to use 100% cpu when the window is rather big? |
| 16:44.27 | flo` | if i make it small, the cpu load is tiny |
| 16:44.44 | homie | and the monitors hsync*vsync min-max capabilities |
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| 16:44.58 | davis | just for grins, can you play with ifconfig txqueuelength to fix tx drop errors? |
| 16:45.01 | davis | and is there a way to change the rx queue length? |
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| 16:47.58 | danols | why are some packages auto held back in aptitude ? |
| 16:48.23 | dutchfish | danols: ifconfig ${interface} txqueuelen ${size} |
| 16:48.29 | stew | danols: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 16:48.47 | dutchfish | danols: oops was ment for davis |
| 16:49.04 | dutchfish | davis: ifconfig ${interface} txqueuelen ${size} |
| 16:49.48 | danols | jj/msg dpkg kept back |
| 16:50.14 | danols | thanks stew |
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| 16:59.53 | danols | hi this is a newb question but where can I specify auto mount ? - I can't use libpam-mount as the stable version is to old |
| 17:00.08 | danols | and installing libpam-mount testing creates some conflicts |
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| 17:07.58 | Derick | Hello! I've recently updated all my packages on sid; and all links opened by clicking in a terminal window now go to epiphany-browser even though I've configure /usr/bin/iceweasel through update-alternatives --config x-www-browser and in "Prefered Applications" for Gnome. Any hints? |
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| 17:10.23 | RichiH | stew: fwiw, X -configure, once it works, comes up with a useless config, as well |
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| 17:14.27 | buhlau | you guys know how to make a transfer of a big 1TB file pauseable, fail stable? rsync --partial does not work for that size |
| 17:15.32 | Demitar | Is there a more recent libogre in a repository somewhere (for squeeze)? Setting up a build daemon and need more recent versions of ogre and cegui, for the ubuntu equivalent I used a ppa but can't seem to find any repo for debian. (I'd rather avoid building the whole of ogre myself if i can.) |
| 17:15.41 | buhlau | ...it just keeps thinking half an hour and then it starts over again |
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| 17:16.14 | jhutchins_lt | buhlau: Perhaps the target filesystem can't handle a file that big. |
| 17:16.29 | buhlau | it can |
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| 17:17.44 | buhlau | so any idea how to make it more stable ? i remeber with dd or dd_rescue you could just go on at a certain bit position where it stoped? |
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| 17:18.50 | f8l | buhlau: curl may be helpful. |
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| 17:20.12 | chonch | buhlau : can't you just scp or wput it from one machine to another ? |
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| 17:21.17 | buhlau | chonch : yes but it has to be interruptable as it takes 15 days |
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| 17:22.45 | chonch | you can resume transferts with wput or curl |
| 17:22.57 | chonch | both ways |
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| 17:25.51 | buhlau | can i compress that transfer as well? |
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| 17:26.43 | chonch | no fucking idea |
| 17:26.55 | chonch | but probably |
| 17:27.01 | acu | I want to start debian squeeze but the VGA is screwed - is some NVIDIA G4 or something - and is garbling the screen - the problem is that I am remote and through ssh - and I want the computer to boot in cli not on graphics |
| 17:28.03 | buhlau | thanks i will look into wput again |
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| 17:30.00 | chonch | acu: remove the xserver |
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| 17:30.50 | acu | chonch: I want ultimately to have xserver - so the end user bill be able to get in graphics - but what settings I need to change in boot grub |
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| 17:32.34 | chonch | ucu : then don't start gdm at startup |
| 17:32.38 | chonch | a |
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| 17:33.24 | danols | hi all how can i clears apittude avaiable package list ? |
| 17:33.35 | danols | i've changed my sources list but it still shows packages from old sources |
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| 17:36.11 | stevieman | I am having permissins problems with log files, and AWstats. Am I in the right or wrong place? Basically I am getting permission denied when trying to access apache logs when running as www-data user |
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| 17:37.27 | stew | stevieman: if you want www-data to be able to read the logs, change the ownership of the logs as they are rotated in /etc/logrotate.d/apache2 |
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| 17:38.53 | stevieman | stew: I set the permissions to 644 in the file. Is that correct? The create line is not 644 root adm |
| 17:39.01 | stevieman | is not that should ready |
| 17:39.19 | stevieman | k, that should read is now 644 root adm |
| 17:39.46 | stew | stevieman: note that it makes the file reaadable for everybody, not just www-data. if you want just www-data, you can change the group or owner instead |
| 17:40.03 | stew | stevieman: and this will only affect new logs, you'll have to manually change the permission of existing logs |
| 17:40.39 | stevieman | stew: I'd like to have www-data be the only one to read the logs. So I should change create to 644 root www-data? |
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| 17:41.30 | stevieman | stew: so for existing logs I will need to chown root:www-data file.log correct? |
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| 17:42.56 | stew | stevieman: if you are making it 644 instead of 640 you don't have to make the group www-data but yeah, that would work |
| 17:43.16 | stew | stevieman: oh, if you only want www-data to be able to read, you want 640 not 644 |
| 17:43.55 | stevieman | stew: Perfect, I only want www-data to be able to read the log file |
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| 17:44.21 | xyzp | i lost all my bookmarks when i update my firefox huh |
| 17:45.47 | homie | i got mine, from the old install |
| 17:45.56 | homie | they work backed up |
| 17:46.14 | homie | just had to use sed to change the /home/user entrys in the bookmarks |
| 17:46.20 | stevieman | stew: So I just did a chown root:www-data /var/log/apache2/site.log and I got the permission denied error again |
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| 17:46.57 | stew | stevieman: what are the permissions/ownership of /var/log/apacha2 ? |
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| 17:47.38 | xyzp | homie, how? |
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| 17:48.13 | xyzp | ok you was root then.. |
| 17:49.36 | stevieman | stew: I can't remember how to check that :) |
| 17:50.01 | stew | stevieman: ls -ld /var/log/apache2 |
| 17:50.08 | arvind_khadri | stevieman, ls -l |
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| 17:53.02 | stevieman | stew: root:adm |
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| 18:01.50 | stevieman | stew: So /var/log/apache2 is owned by root:adm |
| 18:03.00 | stew | stevieman: and the permissions? |
| 18:03.11 | stevieman | Stew: they are set to 750 |
| 18:03.16 | stew | stevieman: there you go |
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| 18:05.24 | stevieman | stew: ok I'm missing something. The files I am trying to read are root:www-data with 640 permissions |
| 18:05.58 | stew | stevieman: do you know what the 0 in 750 mmeans? |
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| 18:07.08 | stevieman | stew: that non-owners have no permission to read, write or execute |
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| 18:07.49 | stew | stevieman: is www-data an owner? |
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| 18:08.21 | stew | (and note that "execute" on a directory is needed to access it) |
| 18:08.39 | stevieman | stew: not of the apache2 directory, but it is of the files I am trying to access. Am I being to granular in my thinking here? |
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| 18:09.02 | stew | stevieman: so therefore www-data does not have permission to read or access the /var/log/apache2 directory |
| 18:10.26 | stevieman | stew: so even though I said www-data you can read and write to these files, because www-data can't access the directory it cannot read or write to those files? |
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| 18:12.04 | stew | stevieman: yes |
| 18:12.05 | stevieman | stew: So basically I gave www-data permission to access the filing cabinet but didn't give it the key to the office door |
| 18:12.10 | stew | yes |
| 18:12.47 | stevieman | stew: Ok, so would it be bad to change the ownership to root:www-data? |
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| 18:13.01 | stew | no |
| 18:13.29 | treebeen | stevieman: www-data was not pleased finding the door locked... |
| 18:13.35 | stevieman | stew: Great, So who writes the log files in the first place? |
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| 18:14.20 | stew | stevieman: root opens the file, then drops priveleges to www-data |
| 18:14.21 | thewanderer1 | stevieman: I can recommend you http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions - a good read when you've finished with your current problem |
| 18:14.38 | stew | also http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions now that the two have diverged |
| 18:14.51 | stevieman | thewanderer: Thanks, I'll browse through that |
| 18:15.11 | stevieman | stew: sneaky root, thanks for the other link too |
| 18:15.29 | thewanderer1 | (oh. yes. I once took the liberty to rename that wiki page to OldPermissions or sth like that) |
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| 18:18.09 | jelly | RatherOldPermissions |
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| 18:24.36 | Pavlz | hello |
| 18:24.44 | maple_bed | hi - I'm looking for more data on the debian security advisory that went out 3 days ago (mailman): http://www.debian.org/security/2011/dsa-2170. The link to CVE-2011-0707 says "this is reserved" and won't give me a description. Is the link broken or is the detailed description not available yet? (or something else?) |
| 18:24.45 | Pavlz | one query for you: |
| 18:25.12 | Pavlz | which kernel was available for pentium 133 mhz in 1996 ? |
| 18:25.29 | Pavlz | i refurbished a pentium |
| 18:25.39 | Pavlz | and i would to use it |
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| 18:27.59 | wolfric | Pavlz: try in #linux and why would you want to use an old kernel? Why not just strip down a new one |
| 18:28.36 | Pavlz | because i refurbished this one ! |
| 18:28.59 | thewanderer1 | just use a modern kernel and compile it for i486 |
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| 18:30.03 | Pavlz | computer tell me to use an appropriate version of the kernel |
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| 18:30.47 | thewanderer1 | yes... get a kernel from kernel.org and compile it for i486 |
| 18:31.19 | stew | maple_bed: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=CVE-2011-0707 |
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| 18:31.24 | Pavlz | but i got a pentium not a 486 |
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| 18:32.26 | thewanderer1 | yes, but it is 486 architecture I think... |
| 18:32.26 | thewanderer1 | the kernel might have explicit support for Pentium, though - look for it in config |
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| 18:32.34 | Pavlz | and then i don't no, it is not the same |
| 18:32.40 | stew | Pavlz: if you were using a debian kernel (which you probably should be), you'd want the -486 version |
| 18:33.00 | maple_bed | thanks, stew! |
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| 18:33.16 | thewanderer1 | ah yes, I forget at times that Debian still ships the -486 kernels :) |
| 18:33.18 | Pavlz | then i need to use the package vrms |
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| 18:33.44 | thewanderer1 | of course, we all need it |
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| 18:35.04 | Pavlz | wher can i find a debian for i486 ? |
| 18:35.07 | Arrowmaster | Pavlz: pentium 1's were i586 specifically |
| 18:35.27 | stew | Pavlz: go to debian.org and click on "getting debian" an download the i386 version |
| 18:35.28 | Pavlz | pentium 133 mhz |
| 18:35.39 | Arrowmaster | squeeze still supports i486s |
| 18:35.48 | stew | yes, in the i386 arch |
| 18:35.56 | Pavlz | so i need another cd |
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| 18:36.45 | Arrowmaster | what cd do you have now? |
| 18:37.48 | Derick | grr, debian keeps wanting to install samba; how do I find out which package requests that? |
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| 18:38.58 | thewanderer1 | Derick: aptitude why samba; or apt-cache rdepends samba |
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| 18:42.12 | Pavlz | how many cd's i have to download for GNU/linux debian ? |
| 18:43.02 | Derick | thewanderer1: thanks |
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| 18:46.16 | Arrowmaster | Pavlz: 1 |
| 18:46.33 | Pavlz | are you sure ? |
| 18:46.37 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 18:46.48 | Pavlz | tnx |
| 18:47.21 | Pavlz | and why there are more than 28 cd's ? |
| 18:47.46 | stew | Pavlz: for people that need to install additional packages onto machines which cannot be connected to a network |
| 18:47.50 | dwq | Hi, I reinstalled Squeeze and left my other hard drive (using dm-crypt and lvm) untouched. Now I can't seem to unlock it. In Disk Utility I press "Unlock Volume", it tells me "Incorrect Passphrase", but it is the correct passphrase! Also I did "vgreduce --removemissing debian" which seems to have removed all logical volumes from that old volume group. Here's the output of a few commands http://debian.pastebin.com/B4FJSsjG Oh, and I get this in the terminal when ru |
| 18:48.31 | Pavlz | i got 23352 kb of ram |
| 18:48.47 | Pavlz | and 8455 mb of hdd |
| 18:49.10 | Arrowmaster | are you actually planning to use that pentium1 as a desktop? |
| 18:49.13 | Pavlz | but i got pci card ethernet |
| 18:49.32 | Pavlz | if possible yes |
| 18:49.37 | ST__ | way too good for desktop |
| 18:49.53 | Arrowmaster | i doubt its possible |
| 18:49.58 | stew | Pavlz: that is not enough memory to run the installer |
| 18:50.23 | Pavlz | why things are changed so much in 15 years ? |
| 18:50.48 | Derick | moore's law |
| 18:51.00 | Pavlz | the problem is not memory |
| 18:51.04 | stew | Pavlz: yes, it is |
| 18:51.06 | Pavlz | it charge |
| 18:51.14 | Pavlz | the problem is cpu |
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| 18:51.39 | Arrowmaster | i used a 166mhz pentium1 as a server for a while in the era of pentium4s |
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| 18:52.01 | pipeline | in the era of client side fonts |
| 18:52.05 | pipeline | you're gonna run out of memory AND cpu |
| 18:52.17 | pipeline | up until client side fonts became common my old R4000-based SGIs were actually usable as desktops |
| 18:52.21 | jelly | pipeline: let the graphic card render them! |
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| 18:52.44 | jelly | oh wait, wrong display architecture |
| 18:52.45 | Pavlz | pc tell me: |
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| 18:53.14 | OpenTokix | pipeline: SGI's where never usable as desktops =) |
| 18:53.27 | Pavlz | This kernel requires the following features not present on the CPU: cmov |
| 18:53.52 | Pavlz | Unable to boot - please use a kernel appropriate for your CPU |
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| 18:54.20 | Pavlz | but computer boot and i watch the prompt to choose the kernel i want |
| 18:54.29 | pipeline | I think cmov is an i686 instruction |
| 18:54.34 | pipeline | you need an i386/i486/i586 kernel |
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| 18:54.41 | Pavlz | and i searched to install befor a GNU/linux gNewSense |
| 18:54.48 | litemotiv | can anyone help me debug this dpkg error when installing openssh-server? http://pastebin.com/w0PgbDeX |
| 18:54.53 | Pavlz | then a GNU/linux Ututo |
| 18:54.54 | stew | Pavlz: which .iso did you download? |
| 18:55.06 | Pavlz | and now i am thinking to download GNU/linux Debian |
| 18:55.22 | juniorsa | Hi, I have to compare a manual zone setup on new dns servers, it's for 24 zones, does anyone have any bright ideas on how to compare the manually created zones to the live zones? |
| 18:55.35 | stew | Pavlz: wait, the error you are getting is not from debian? |
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| 18:55.49 | Pavlz | yes i know |
| 18:55.56 | stew | ? |
| 18:56.04 | Pavlz | i have to download the GNU/linux Debian |
| 18:56.15 | Pavlz | i have not installed again |
| 18:56.20 | stew | Pavlz: you don't have enough memory |
| 18:56.23 | stew | as I said before |
| 18:56.25 | Pavlz | because i finished the cd's |
| 18:56.34 | Pavlz | i haven't anymore |
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| 18:56.48 | Pavlz | i am in Roma not in London |
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| 18:57.01 | ST__ | roma is out of ram |
| 18:57.02 | ST__ | > |
| 18:57.04 | ST__ | ? |
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| 18:57.08 | Pavlz | where i can find the sops opened to any hour |
| 18:57.30 | Pavlz | shops in Roma at 8 are closed |
| 18:57.34 | stew | Pavlz: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s05.html.it |
| 18:57.45 | Pavlz | i have to wait tomorrow to install it |
| 18:57.48 | themill | litemotiv: your local lookup-domain script needs fixing; /msg dpkg missing lsb tags |
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| 18:58.25 | ubernewb | after upgrading from debian lenny to squeeze my freeradius doenst start. did anyone else had that? |
| 18:58.42 | thewanderer1 | Pavlz: you can install from a local Debian installation, or from another computer to which you connect the hard drive |
| 18:58.47 | litemotiv | themill: thanks, i'm going to read that |
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| 18:58.59 | thewanderer1 | (I assume USB/PXE are not available on a Pentium machine) |
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| 18:59.04 | i5513 | hi, do you know if there is a size limit in attachmet when you send a mail to submits@bugs.debian.org ? |
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| 18:59.23 | i5513 | I'm searching in debian.org but I can't find that limit |
| 18:59.52 | Arrowmaster | do not tempt me to find a replacement harddrive for my 166mhz pentium system and try to get it running again |
| 19:00.35 | helo | yay, i'm compromised! |
| 19:00.51 | helo | turns on tcpdump to see what's up on the C&C irc chan |
| 19:01.34 | dvs | runs away cackling |
| 19:02.57 | Pavlz | on this computer there was windows |
| 19:03.11 | Pavlz | i suppose win98 |
| 19:03.29 | Pavlz | or win95 |
| 19:03.30 | Arrowmaster | probably 95a |
| 19:03.44 | simonrvn | those aren't real OSes |
| 19:03.55 | Pavlz | it was a pc donated to a school |
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| 19:04.16 | Pavlz | the school were destroying the pc's with the hammer |
| 19:04.27 | Pavlz | and ii take this one |
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| 19:05.22 | OpenTokix | Pavlz: you should have let them |
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| 19:06.33 | Pavlz | i think that you are not serious |
| 19:06.44 | ST__ | and now u have problem |
| 19:06.46 | Pavlz | i am a member of FSF.org |
| 19:06.48 | chonch | palv: not worth the electicity you'll need power it |
| 19:07.11 | Pavlz | do you thinnk that i can use winn ? |
| 19:07.24 | Pavlz | i use only Free Software |
| 19:07.34 | Pavlz | i don't use non free software |
| 19:07.47 | Pavlz | and it is not a problem that i got |
| 19:08.01 | Pavlz | but that the developers did in the years |
| 19:08.48 | Pavlz | it is not possible to use a pc which has got a 133 mhz, with 23352 mb of ram |
| 19:09.00 | stew | Pavlz: sure it is |
| 19:09.05 | Pavlz | and 8445 mb of hdd |
| 19:09.16 | ST__ | nah pavlz i was just jking |
| 19:09.25 | Pavlz | this is a limit to Free Software |
| 19:09.31 | Rienzilla | ?? |
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| 19:09.49 | geegeegee | df wont finish, it just carrys on forever, if i do df -h it doesnt bring back the command prompt |
| 19:09.58 | Pavlz | and there is too another big problem |
| 19:09.58 | Rienzilla | why on earth would you want to use a full blown 133mhz pc |
| 19:10.02 | OpenTokix | Pavlz: you need to get a 486-kernel |
| 19:10.08 | Rienzilla | throw it away |
| 19:10.19 | stew | Pavlz: it is certainly possible. you would just have trouble running the debian installer with that little ram (assuming you meant kb and not mb) |
| 19:10.25 | Pavlz | GNU/linux to any update requires always more big space on the hdd |
| 19:10.34 | Pavlz | this is not good |
| 19:10.40 | chonch | pavlz: tried DSL ? |
| 19:10.43 | Rienzilla | god, stop trolling |
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| 19:11.08 | Rienzilla | get a decent pc or a debian hamm installer |
| 19:11.16 | stew | Pavlz: you should probably be using a distribution which is more suited to less memory however |
| 19:11.24 | stew | Pavlz: ##linux can perhaps help. |
| 19:11.38 | stew | Pavlz: but otherwise, please leave this channel for debian end-user support |
| 19:11.39 | ST__ | mini slax |
| 19:12.01 | Pavlz | i am too on ##linux |
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| 19:12.22 | Pavlz | they told me a 2.0 |
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| 19:13.10 | chonch | pavlz : get Dam Small Linux |
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| 19:13.39 | jhutchins_lt | chonch: They use 2.4 kernels don't they? |
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| 19:14.03 | chonch | don't know |
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| 19:14.23 | chonch | there are several "lightweight" distro |
| 19:14.30 | Sicelo | yes, they do. used DSL for a long time |
| 19:14.31 | xand | if you choose to create a regular user at install time, on squeeze, what groups does it belong to by default? |
| 19:14.31 | chonch | one must meet your need |
| 19:14.43 | Sicelo | but DSL-N uses early 2.6 |
| 19:14.56 | Sicelo | and is still very lightweight |
| 19:15.09 | jhutchins_lt | xand: As that user, run the groups command in a console. |
| 19:15.09 | stew | can we please move the DSL discussion to ##linux or ##damnsmalllinux |
| 19:15.24 | chonch | stew:good idea |
| 19:16.08 | xand | jhutchins_lt: I don't have that user. |
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| 19:17.21 | jhutchins_lt | xand: Create one and see. |
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| 19:18.08 | xand | jhutchins_lt: adduser doesn't put them in any groups. |
| 19:18.18 | xand | except the primary one |
| 19:18.25 | danols | hi all |
| 19:18.55 | danols | anyidea why a package has a pin prority of 500 where it is nowhere that I can find is defined ? I use pin priorites between 700-1000 |
| 19:18.57 | themill | xand: see the options at the bottom of /etc/adduser.conf |
| 19:19.11 | danols | I'm thinking maybe it's something to do with cache but I tried all the aptitude clean options |
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| 19:19.26 | xand | themill: thanks. |
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| 19:19.50 | themill | danols: that's the default pinning level for repositories meaning that your pinning is ineffective. |
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| 19:20.21 | danols | themill: I am puzzled as 1000 is for stable pining so I guess it's not catching it and makes it 500 right ? |
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| 19:21.03 | danols | could it be cached from some sources list I later removed ? |
| 19:21.41 | themill | danols: perhaps stick your preferences file and the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy $package" in a pastebin |
| 19:21.58 | danols | themill will do one moment please |
| 19:22.05 | danols | i'm trying to get to the bottom of this one |
| 19:22.07 | themill | (1000 is an odd number to use for a pin, btw) |
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| 19:22.34 | danols | themill: how come ? I got it from some debian tutorial on the net |
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| 19:23.33 | helo | oh awesome... the bot my machine is being controlled from has ops in a dozen different channels |
| 19:23.43 | themill | danols: pinning isn't just a list of priorities; the numbers also have significance. see "man 5 apt_preferences" for details |
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| 19:24.54 | danols | themill: http://dpaste.com/438583/ |
| 19:25.04 | danols | looks like my pin 1000 is trimmed to 100? |
| 19:25.25 | homie | still no logo |
| 19:26.02 | themill | danols: no, your sources.list and that pinning are both a bit of a mess. |
| 19:26.03 | stew | danols: your 1000 is for a=stable, but none fo your sources are a=stable |
| 19:26.11 | homie | logo seems rather pixel-corrupted and blended over with kdm's own picture or so... |
| 19:26.26 | homie | for the short time it is flickering |
| 19:26.38 | stew | danols: you have sources for a=oldstable, a=testing, and a=unstable |
| 19:26.55 | themill | danols: the is one of the problems with following a tutorial without thinking about what you're doing... lenny is no longer "stable" |
| 19:27.13 | danols | ok ? |
| 19:27.14 | stew | he at least make the correct comment that what he is doing is not recommended |
| 19:27.20 | danols | i'm confused |
| 19:27.28 | danols | please I'm all ears and ready to learn here |
| 19:27.36 | danols | what I would like to do is the following: |
| 19:27.42 | themill | danols: you also shouldn't really be mixing "testing" and "unstable" in with a stable release anyway. mixing them with stable is bad enough, mixing them with oldstable is suicidal |
| 19:27.47 | jhutchins_lt | helo: Your machine is being controlled from a bot? |
| 19:27.57 | danols | themill: ok |
| 19:28.12 | danols | let me explain how I wanted to setup my apts - and maybe you can suggest |
| 19:28.18 | danols | I use aptitude - |
| 19:28.20 | themill | danols: perhaps tell us what you're hoping to achieve by all this |
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| 19:28.37 | danols | I modified it to show the 'PIN' prority next to the package. |
| 19:28.40 | homie | sad, that there are thousands of graphics packages for just one thing, and the proprietary driver is just one thing and is covering it better.... |
| 19:28.46 | danols | I want the highest package i.e. 1000 to be stable and all is dandy |
| 19:28.53 | danols | back ports some lower |
| 19:28.53 | danols | testing lower |
| 19:28.59 | danols | and unstable as a lowest priority |
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| 19:29.17 | stew | danols: please use punctuation more and enter key less |
| 19:29.30 | danols | Sorry |
| 19:29.35 | stew | danols: you have stable currently pinned to 1000, you don't actually have any stable sources though, so it doesn't have any effect |
| 19:29.46 | stew | danols: you have oldstable,testing,unstable sources |
| 19:30.18 | themill | danols: I'm still not sure what you hope to achieve by that though. You can't sanely install any of these packages from testing or unstable onto a lenny machine. There's little point in having them in your sources.list at all |
| 19:30.24 | danols | The reason I needed this is that in very very few situations the stable version was lacking some functionality - for example the libpam-mount is too old at version 0.47 I needed something like version 2.x - so knowing that I can at my own discretion force aptitude to select a package that has lower priority than stable |
| 19:31.11 | themill | danols: ok, so what would be a better plan for you would be to upgrade to squeeze where you will get these packages straight away. |
| 19:31.16 | stew | judd: info libpam-mount --release stable |
| 19:31.17 | judd | Package libpam-mount (admin, extra) in squeeze/i386: PAM module that can mount volumes for a user session. Version: 2.5-3; Size: 125.3k; Installed: 412k; Homepage: http://pam-mount.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 19:31.47 | themill | danols: later, you might find you want newer package again and then you should either use backports.debian.org or make your own backports. mixing releases like this will lead to tears. |
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| 19:32.19 | danols | themill: I'm so lost |
| 19:32.33 | danols | stew: version 2.5 would work |
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| 19:32.44 | stew | danols: you realize the squeeze was released 2 weeks ago? and so lenny is no longer stable, but is no oldstable? |
| 19:33.06 | thewanderer1 | guys, do we have xtables_addons in default Debian kernels? or at least some software / iptables target to make an echo server on all TCP ports easily |
| 19:33.32 | stew | CONFIG_NETFILTER_XTABLES=m ? |
| 19:34.06 | stew | (we have that) |
| 19:34.09 | jhutchins_lt | grep -i xtables /boot/config* |
| 19:34.25 | deego | [Re: all the freeze problems I had after moving to squeeze: on several machines, they got fixed by using nomodeset in the kernel line, and by going back to the old x.org config.] |
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| 19:34.29 | thewanderer1 | yeah but addons is a patch supposed to give me ECHO target |
| 19:34.34 | danols | stew: so my preferences are pulling packages 'marked' as stable against lenny which now 'oldstable' ? |
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| 19:34.48 | deego | [s/x.org/xorg.conf] |
| 19:35.13 | stew | danols: your preferences for stable don't matter since you don't have any stable sources. none of your preferences affect lenny (which is oldstable) |
| 19:35.18 | themill | danols: that's correct. Now that squeeze has released, your pinning doesn't match what is in the debian archive. lenny is no longer called "stable". |
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| 19:37.08 | themill | danols: but at this point, we can focus on what you are really trying to achieve here.... you wanted a newer libpam-mount, and you will find it in the shiny new release that came out a couple of weeks ago. You should be able to upgrade to it by reading the instructions in the release notes. "/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze" for a quick overview. |
| 19:37.30 | stew | well |
| 19:37.47 | stew | i'd be curious if he hasn't already upgraded past squeeze |
| 19:37.59 | themill | stew: quite.... |
| 19:38.25 | themill | danols: could you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg perl apt" first? |
| 19:39.11 | stew | have any of those changed since squeeze release yet? |
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| 19:39.25 | danols | ok ok |
| 19:39.29 | danols | one moment please |
| 19:39.33 | stew | oh, we got a -11 for libc6 |
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| 19:40.38 | danols | themill: http://dpaste.com/438625/ |
| 19:40.39 | themill | stew: I thought there was a new dpkg or apt that came through squeeze-p-u late in the cycle too, but obviously not. |
| 19:41.28 | themill | danols: they're all still lenny (or slightly out of date lenny) versions |
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| 19:42.38 | danols | themill: so that will solve my libpam-mout problem if I upgrade to squeeze - however is there a way for me to setup what I had that gives me an option to select testing or backported package is the stable version is too old ? but that when new debian is released stable -> oldstable doesn't effect me? |
| 19:43.57 | danols | would my setup also explain why every package I look at in aptitude has Warning: this version of xxxx is from an untrusted source! |
| 19:44.43 | danols | themill: or let me rephrase the question - how do you install a version of a package that is newer than what is available in current stable release? |
| 19:45.37 | jhutchins_lt | danols: Use release names, not stage names - lenny or squeeze not stable or testing. Avoid instaling testing packages on stable - use backports, even if you have to build them yourself. |
| 19:45.45 | jhutchins_lt | danols: DON'T mix releases! |
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| 19:47.44 | danols | jhutchins_lt: so when it says in my preferences Pin: release a=stable it should have said Pin: release a=lenny ? |
| 19:47.44 | danols | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.07 | jae | Anyone else have trouble installing gnome? Just wanting to make sure it's not just me before reporting a bug |
| 19:48.19 | dvs | !ask |
| 19:48.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 19:48.50 | jhutchins_lt | danols: Right |
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| 19:49.06 | danols | god damn tutorial ! I curse you |
| 19:49.33 | stew | danols: no, a=oldstable |
| 19:49.36 | jhutchins_lt | danols: Be aware that multi-release pinning is mostly for people who are running testing to actually test it, so they can bring in packages from unstable to see if they fix problems. It is NOT intended for a production system. |
| 19:49.37 | anoob | I've received this message and I don't have internet: "Feb 21 18:22:11 debian dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.reason" |
| 19:50.01 | stew | danols: compare to the output of "apt-cache policy" it should you the data from the Release file there |
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| 19:51.01 | laurus | I just purchased a 2TB external USB hard drive. Should I format it to ext3 or ext4? |
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| 19:51.27 | danols | stew: can you clarify I'm not sure what you are trying to tell me |
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| 19:52.19 | stew | "14:47 < danols> jhutchins_lt: so when it says in my preferences Pin: release a=stable it should have said Pin: release a=lenny ?" |
| 19:52.24 | stew | danols: no this ^^ is incorrect |
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| 19:52.37 | jae | dvs: I did ask, or <potentially offensive part deleted>? |
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| 19:52.49 | homie | no, it is in pinning always referred to by oldstable, stable, testing etc... |
| 19:52.59 | homie | no code names |
| 19:53.03 | stew | you can use codenames |
| 19:53.09 | homie | those are only valid in your sources.list |
| 19:53.12 | laurus | Does Debian Squeeze support ext4? |
| 19:53.19 | homie | stew: since when ? |
| 19:53.25 | homie | stew: did that change ? |
| 19:53.30 | stew | homie: it did change |
| 19:53.34 | homie | oh |
| 19:53.35 | homie | ok |
| 19:53.39 | danols | ok |
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| 19:53.48 | jae | Trying to install gnome-session on amd64 (sid), but no go. It appears gnome-panel depends on packages that are gone... |
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| 19:54.07 | stew | homie: he is using an older apt however |
| 19:54.14 | homie | hmmm, ok |
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| 19:54.22 | jae | stew: which apt added this? |
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| 19:54.49 | danols | stew: going along with this Pin: release a=lenny-backports |
| 19:54.49 | danols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:55.10 | dvs | jae: I mean what specifically are you having trouble with? (like you described above) |
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| 19:55.27 | dvs | (package seems to be missing) |
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| 19:55.50 | stew | danols: if you are upgrading from lenny to squeeze, you should be follwoing chapter 4 of the release notes, and if, after that you want to add backports, follow the instructions on backports.debian.org |
| 19:55.57 | stew | danols: i don't believe you should need ANY pinning |
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| 19:56.07 | dvs | agrees |
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| 19:56.20 | themill | danols: Once you've done the upgrade, you should *only* have lines with "squeeze" in them and you shouldn't need any pinning at all. |
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| 19:57.03 | danols | so it will overwrite my perferences file or should I just delete it now ? and do the upgrade ? |
| 19:57.11 | stew | (yay for ButAutomaticUpgrades: yes in Release :) ) |
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| 19:58.09 | stew | danols: if you are going to upgrade to squeeze, you should just do what it tells you to do in the squeeze release notes |
| 19:58.32 | jelly-home | ButWhat? |
| 19:58.39 | themill | danols: the release notes tell you to get rid of any sources that aren't "squeeze" and to get rid of your pinning. |
| 19:58.45 | dvs | danols: and erase all the pinning preferences you have now |
| 19:58.48 | danols | stew and other : ok I want to learn to do this the right way - how would I install a package that I need the latest version off and it's not avail in squeeze ? example of package that made me setup all this pinning in first place was python-django |
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| 19:59.01 | themill | jelly-home: pinning no longer required for bpo :) |
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| 19:59.34 | jelly-home | the "lose pinnings for upgrade" is really a consequence of "pinning is really a crude hack and noone should use it" |
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| 19:59.47 | acu | howcan I make the boot in squeeze to go in text only interface |
| 19:59.56 | fogobogo | hi. isme or does the xfce / lxde iso (cd1) not come with dhclient. or any alternative |
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| 20:00.03 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell acu about nodm |
| 20:00.05 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: how are people supposed to manage mixed testing/unstable then? :P |
| 20:00.34 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: aptitude install foo=version |
| 20:00.40 | jelly-home | for every package installed |
| 20:00.54 | thewanderer1 | and it keeps that somewhere in the database? |
| 20:00.57 | dvs | or -t testing |
| 20:01.05 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: of course not. |
| 20:01.12 | stew | jelly-home: http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/squeeze-backports/Release there are two flags in there which affect priorities. the "NotAutomatic: yes" by itself (is what experimental has) results in priority: 1, the "ButAutomaticUpgrades: yes" changes it to somthing like 200 or 250 so that you get upgrades |
| 20:01.14 | homie | well, with pinning, but for the upgrades only put the major distro codename in your sources.list and rename the pinning file maybe temporarily and adapt it to the new things ? |
| 20:01.19 | thewanderer1 | yes, but pinning is only for "update", right? |
| 20:01.24 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: you said _people_ manage it, not the packaging system |
| 20:01.45 | stew | danols: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 20:01.53 | thewanderer1 | heh, I see your point |
| 20:01.54 | homie | pinning is for when you want to use or test packages from newer ones |
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| 20:02.01 | homie | newer releases |
| 20:02.10 | jelly-home | that syntax's ridiculous |
| 20:02.30 | jelly-home | ButNoUpgradesIfDepsChange |
| 20:02.46 | stew | jelly-home: that's what you get when you put a hack on top of a hack on top of a hack |
| 20:02.48 | jelly-home | OrOnFullMoons: yes |
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| 20:03.24 | jelly-home | stew: it's like plans within plans within plans, except without any planning! |
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| 20:04.58 | autoditac | hi. i'd like to install squeeze on a system without cdrom and vga. does the debian 6 installer have the serial console enabled by default? |
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| 20:05.57 | fogobogo | ahhh... pxe booting. bane of my life |
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| 20:07.17 | autoditac | or is there an preseede image somewhere that boots the installer to ssh? |
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| 20:09.20 | stew | autoditac: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Remote |
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| 20:13.03 | andares | hey, what package do I use to get cdrecord? |
| 20:13.14 | twanny796 | andares: wodim |
| 20:13.37 | andares | ah, thanks. |
| 20:13.39 | jhutchins_lt | andares: apt-file searcgh cdrecord |
| 20:13.46 | jhutchins_lt | without that stray g |
| 20:14.26 | jhutchins_lt | ,info cdrecord |
| 20:14.27 | judd | No record of package 'cdrecord' in squeeze/i386. |
| 20:14.44 | acu | howcan I change grub to boot in second option (single user) not the first - I use squeeze |
| 20:14.45 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions cdrecord |
| 20:14.48 | judd | Package cdrecord on i386 -- lenny: 9:1.1.9-1 |
| 20:15.44 | stew | jhutchins_lt: its wodim |
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| 20:17.15 | chonch | you'r going to have problems to ssh back after reboot... |
| 20:17.18 | chonch | acu: |
| 20:17.47 | aggro | Hi, is there a problem with http://mentors.debian.net/ or is it just my connection? |
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| 20:18.26 | autoditac | stew: thanks! |
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| 20:19.35 | stew | aggro: works for me |
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| 20:19.54 | aggro | Thanks |
| 20:20.14 | sako | hey guys is it possible to use add-apt-repository on debian 6? |
| 20:20.15 | sako | i tried installing python-software-properties.. no luck |
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| 20:22.51 | runa | heyas. what can I use to redir a TCP port and make it permanent (ie, so when the machine boots, it starts automatically)? Shall I do it from my firewall (shorewall) or using redir or something like that? |
| 20:22.54 | laurus | sako, what is add-apt-repository? |
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| 20:23.56 | simonrvn | works for me too |
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| 20:25.11 | wesohigh_ | hello is there an easy way to pipe without a pipe symbol the keyboard i have is broken... im using sh not bash |
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| 20:26.43 | acu | chonch: then I will be able to start x from there ? |
| 20:26.58 | Arrowmaster | sako: no, ubuntu ppa's are not supported on debian, in fact using them highly increased the chance of breaking your system |
| 20:26.58 | kaluva | wesohigh_: The easiest way *I* can think of is copy and paste, the next easiest is remapping the symbol to another key |
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| 20:27.52 | wesohigh_ | wesohigh_: eheh im in an embedded device without outside connect yeah ill see if i can get the source and fix the keymap i was hoping there was a way.. even vi works =( |
| 20:28.05 | T_LL | Just installed NTP, ntpq -p doesn't show any servers being polled. Any ideas? |
| 20:28.08 | wesohigh_ | kaluva: my tab skills are bad. |
| 20:28.10 | jelly-home | aggro: there seem to be some issues with networks across europe for the last hour |
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| 20:28.52 | wesohigh_ | is there a way to altkey in pipe with vi? hrm |
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| 20:29.09 | chonch | acu: if you want to boot in text mode remvove gdm from startup |
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| 20:30.19 | wesohigh_ | oddly enough i just wanted to pipe dmesg to less |
| 20:31.07 | chonch | acu: update-rc.d gdm remove |
| 20:31.36 | jelly-home | runa: you might use it in inetd |
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| 20:34.08 | runa | jelly-home: tnx |
| 20:34.53 | blocktree | my automount only works for usb pen drive but it does not automount 1tb external disk? Is this normal behaviour? What do I need to do in order to automount my 1TB external disk? |
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| 20:39.23 | simonrvn | wesohigh_: a pipe is a pipe is a pipe | | | |
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| 20:39.57 | wesohigh_ | yeah.. the key isnt mapped =( ill probaly cat > file then vi |
| 20:40.09 | wesohigh_ | guess i need to make sure i have sowhere i can write safetly first |
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| 20:40.45 | simonrvn | wesohigh_: i typed some for you so you can copy it |
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| 20:42.12 | wesohigh_ | simonrvn: thanks for your kindness |
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| 20:42.44 | blocktree | my automount only works for usb pen drive but it does not automount 1tb external disk? Is this normal behaviour? What do I need to do in order to automount my 1TB external disk? |
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| 20:43.01 | laurus | blocktree, I was just looking into that kind of thing myself |
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| 20:43.36 | laurus | blocktree, take a look at http://linux.justinhartman.com/Installing_a_second_hard_drive |
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| 20:43.46 | laurus | blocktree, particularly the section " Adding to fstab " |
| 20:43.51 | strtrcks | someone could portscan me? |
| 20:44.10 | strtrcks | i configured something on shorewall |
| 20:44.20 | strtrcks | and i cant open portscanner webpages |
| 20:44.26 | strtrcks | lal |
| 20:44.35 | cahoot | strtrcks: just google online portscan |
| 20:44.43 | cahoot | doh |
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| 20:46.27 | acu | chonch update-rc.d gdm remove is enough ? or |
| 20:46.33 | strtrcks | mhm, just hackerwatch.org and pcflank.com does |
| 20:46.47 | chonch | yes |
| 20:47.12 | chonch | wont start the x server net boot |
| 20:47.13 | laurus | blocktree, did that help? |
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| 20:47.45 | chonch | you can stop the one running by /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
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| 20:47.52 | acu | I am trying to connect to a machine ant it tells me host iP port 22 connection refuced |
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| 20:48.06 | Arrowmaster | !nodm |
| 20:48.06 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "update-rc.d xdm stop 20 2 3 4 5" and friends will also disable the dm. echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or just hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
| 20:48.21 | blocktree | laurus: yes, this is clear but I'm more talking about hotplug...when I have a running system and I plug in my USB exteranl drive I need a system to mount it. |
| 20:48.26 | chonch | are you sure you didnt play with grub.... |
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| 20:49.15 | laurus | blocktree, does the external drive have Debian instaleld on it? |
| 20:49.22 | laurus | Or it's just a ext4 formatted disk or something |
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| 20:49.54 | Arrowmaster | blocktree: the automounters probably only work on drives that are flagged as removable, which usb harddrives are not, otherwise they would end up mounting every partition they find that the system doesnt mount by default |
| 20:50.13 | laurus | When I plug in my external USB drive, it mounts it |
| 20:50.39 | Arrowmaster | then maybe it depends on the automounter |
| 20:51.06 | strtrcks | Arrowmaster, where can i find all of the bot commands, like that? |
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| 20:51.27 | strtrcks | "!nodm" |
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| 20:51.41 | simonrvn | got a rather complex problem here. i need to process a sql file, such as that "VALUES(''" gets turned into "VALUES(nn" where nn is the line number. |
| 20:51.45 | Arrowmaster | i highly doubt they are all documented somewhere |
| 20:51.46 | simonrvn | i think i could figure out a sed thingy, but some insight would be appreciated |
| 20:51.58 | simonrvn | i don't know where to start mainly because i don't know what language i should use. |
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| 20:52.04 | simonrvn | figure out what's up with your keyboard would be better for the long term |
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| 20:52.04 | simonrvn | s,\,/, |
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| 20:52.05 | pipeline | simonrvn: perl has a line number counter, so you could do it with a oneliner |
| 20:52.05 | toxster | hi, i have a sata 6gb/s SSD, when i boot the system, i get ~300mb/s when using hdparm -t, after having the system running for a while, it slows down to 90mb/s?? |
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| 20:52.05 | blocktree | Arrowmaster: how can I flag my drive as removable? Is is sensible to do it if I have only a single partition? |
| 20:52.10 | simonrvn | np |
| 20:52.12 | pipeline | simonrvn: I'll get back to you in a couple minutes |
| 20:52.12 | simonrvn | ok, sed has = "print current line number" |
| 20:52.16 | pipeline | oh problem solved then |
| 20:52.18 | laurus | blocktree, it's not mounting when you plug it in? |
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| 20:52.43 | toxster | no ssd gurus here? |
| 20:52.46 | blocktree | laurus: my does not mount...only USB stick mounts automatically and not my external drive |
| 20:52.53 | simonrvn | pipeline: ok, i'll look at that |
| 20:53.04 | laurus | blocktree, are you on Squeeze? |
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| 20:53.21 | simonrvn | i can do a regex in perl, plus figure out the line counter |
| 20:53.22 | stew | simonrvn: fwiw, NR is line number in awk |
| 20:53.39 | simonrvn | pipeline: thanks for the tips. you too stew |
| 20:53.58 | pipeline | simonrvn: cat sql | perl -nle s/\(../\($./; print' |
| 20:54.04 | pipeline | simonrvn: something like that should do you |
| 20:54.15 | pipeline | simonrvn: I'm missing a single quote there |
| 20:54.16 | blocktree | laurus: lenny |
| 20:54.21 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 20:55.02 | Arrowmaster | blocktree: do you know what automounter you are using? |
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| 20:55.18 | pipeline | simonrvn: cat sqlfile | perl -nle 's/VALUES\(../sprintf("VALUES\(%02d", $.)/; print' maybe |
| 20:55.32 | laurus | blocktree, I'm not sure how to fix this problem |
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| 20:55.41 | laurus | I always just format the drive and then it "just works" |
| 20:55.42 | thewanderer1 | pipeline: UUoC :) |
| 20:55.56 | simonrvn | < file dude ;) |
| 20:56.10 | simonrvn | workin' on it =) |
| 20:56.32 | pipeline | simonrvn: haha the sprintf doesn't work inside the substitution.... there's a way to invoke a method in a substitution but i can't remember what it is :\ |
| 20:56.33 | laurus | blocktree, good luck. Arrowmaster sounds like he knows how to fix this :) |
| 20:56.36 | pipeline | thewanderer1: uuoc ? |
| 20:56.55 | simonrvn | ok |
| 20:57.00 | simonrvn | !uuoc |
| 20:57.00 | dpkg | UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
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| 20:58.07 | blocktree | Arrowmaster: no idea, I'm not in front if that PC , If you can only point me with some URL I will manage the rest..:-) |
| 20:58.33 | simonrvn | perl -nle "s/VALUES\(''/VALUES\($./g; print" < rb_db_work.sql # worked BTW |
| 20:58.44 | simonrvn | pipeline stew ^ |
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| 20:59.00 | simonrvn | \o/ |
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| 21:00.29 | sako | fogobogo: which channel do i know you from? #archlinux? |
| 21:00.29 | sako | or maybe #django :p |
| 21:00.29 | sako | can someone help me figure out why add-apt-repository is not on my system? |
| 21:00.29 | sako | i installed python-software-properties |
| 21:00.29 | jhutchins_lt | sako: If you're running debian, that's why add-apt-repository is not there, it's not a debian tool. |
| 21:00.29 | pipeline | thewanderer1: I use cat | perl <> all the time because it allows me to copy paste | perl <> into another term for whatever the real item in question is, instead of the catted file |
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| 21:00.29 | pipeline | thewanderer1: in other words it saves me keystrokes later when I re-use my history etc by maintaining uniform argument order |
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| 21:01.25 | pipeline | thewanderer1: the real question is why tools like grep and perl take a file as an optional arg, when cat | does the same job and maintains uniformity |
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| 21:01.37 | thewanderer1 | efficiency :P |
| 21:01.52 | jhutchins_lt | Hm. I didn't see the flood from sako. |
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| 21:02.40 | fedesilva | hi |
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| 21:15.32 | *** topic/#debian is squeeze (6.0) released; /msg dpkg squeeze ; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze | /msg dpkg new website | lenny (5.0.8) /msg dpkg 5.0.8 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | FAQ: http://bit.ly/DebFAQ | channel logs: http://bit.ly/DebFNDLog |
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| 21:16.01 | strtrcks | Think, cables are surely ok, and the sound maker app too... |
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| 21:16.37 | SPF | I thought Gnome had a battery indicator by default, not sure if you can also use it on blackbox or fluxbox |
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| 21:17.37 | rainabba2 | Gnome does have a battery indicator on the amd64 build of 6.0 |
| 21:17.57 | ATIM3 | SPF, rainabba2 : I do not run kde or gnome. i only have 256MB RAM and upgrading the RAM is not an option. |
| 21:17.59 | rainabba2 | time to try my new kernel :) |
| 21:18.10 | rainabba2 | bummer |
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| 21:19.15 | sako | hey guys, so i found nginx 0.8.x in wheezy... whats the best way to get this onto squeeze? |
| 21:19.21 | strtrcks | ATIM3 Whats with lxde? |
| 21:19.35 | sako | should i just add the wheez deb and deb-src to my apt sources.list and install from there? |
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| 21:20.33 | dAnjou | hi, i installed command-not-found, but when i run a command that doesn't exist yet (for example vim) i just get "-bash: vim: command not found". what's the problem? |
| 21:20.52 | dAnjou | (yes i restarted the shell) |
| 21:20.54 | stew | sako: no, you don't want to mix a stable release with testing/unstable, you want a backport: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 21:21.51 | sako | stew: right so the backport doesn't exist for nginx... so instead i did this: apt-get build-dep nginx, apt-get --build source nginx, dpkg -i nginx-full.deb |
| 21:22.03 | sako | stew: is that the "right" way of doing this? |
| 21:22.13 | stew | sako: sounds good, yes |
| 21:22.28 | Saar | dAnjou: you installed command-not-found? |
| 21:22.36 | sako | and i can interchange apt-get build-dep and aptitude build-dep right? |
| 21:22.48 | stew | sako: yes |
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| 21:23.08 | dAnjou | Saar: yes, as i said |
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| 21:23.24 | ATIM3 | strtrcks: i have lxde installed even though i use icewm which is way faster. What do you mean by : Whats with lxde? |
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| 21:24.12 | strtrcks | lxde has a battery monitor applet for systray |
| 21:24.34 | strtrcks | and what do you mean about "way faster"? :D |
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| 21:25.01 | strtrcks | all of my squeeze uses 61 MB ram with running lxde |
| 21:25.58 | strtrcks | iceWM is for the pita-liker hard-core ppl |
| 21:26.02 | ATIM3 | strtrcks: icewm is way faster than lxde. battery monitor for lxde? do i have to install it? I have lxde installed and sa no battery monitor displayed |
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| 21:26.37 | Agiofws | can someone tell me why chrome is not saving temporary internet files like flv youtube videos in /tmp folder anymore ? |
| 21:26.41 | kvikende | my squeeze just oom'ed on me and after 20-ish minute of trying to recover it i had to press the restart button. now i'm wondering if there's any way for me to find somewhere which program leaked memory? |
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| 21:30.58 | babilen | Agiofws: Change in the flashplayer IIRC -- Try looking at the cache directory of your browser. They might be saved there. |
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| 21:32.07 | jelly-home | babilen: they're just unlinked now |
| 21:32.33 | jelly-home | one can use lsof and cp from /proc/PID/fd/ |
| 21:32.36 | babilen | Agiofws: Another idea would be to use one of the extensions / add-ons that allow you to download flvs -- Something like "Video Download Helper" for chromium. |
| 21:33.11 | babilen | jelly-home: wonderful -- security through obscurity :) |
| 21:33.19 | jelly-home | security? |
| 21:33.21 | danols | what is the debian contrib packages for ? |
| 21:33.38 | jelly-home | babilen: If I get annoyed enough I'll just write a ld_preload wrapper for unlink |
| 21:33.40 | babilen | !tell danols about contrib |
| 21:33.50 | danols | i don't have any in my sources list but the squeeze release notes mention it |
| 21:34.09 | strtrcks | ATIM3 did you install lxpanel? |
| 21:34.30 | Agiofws | wt F did google do this ? just to get 763776357537 users frustrated ? |
| 21:34.31 | babilen | danols: It is besically for software that depends on non-free software but is itself free. |
| 21:34.35 | jelly-home | babilen: at least before one could hardlink the cache file while it was still downloading |
| 21:34.45 | danols | babilen: thanks - looks like I don't need it unless I need it so than I'll know :) |
| 21:34.55 | babilen | Agiofws: I don't think it has anything to do with google. |
| 21:35.05 | babilen | danols: exactly |
| 21:36.01 | jelly-home | Agiofws: it's not google, this is solely an internal Adobe Flash change, and it is Adobe Flash that used to create those /tmp/Flash* cache files |
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| 21:36.08 | Agiofws | ok |
| 21:36.11 | Agiofws | but why ? |
| 21:36.16 | jelly-home | why not? |
| 21:36.23 | danols | this line in relase notes : The recommended way to upgrade from previous Debian GNU/Linux releases is to use the package management tool apt-get. In previous releases, aptitude was recommended for this purpose, but recent versions of apt-get provide equivalent functionality and also have shown to more consistently give the desired upgrade results. |
| 21:36.39 | Agiofws | http://superuser.com/questions/235535/in-google-chrome-on-linux-where-is-the-flv-if-not-in-tmp |
| 21:36.48 | babilen | danols: yes? |
| 21:36.55 | Agiofws | because i have to bust my balls just to find the flv file |
| 21:37.01 | danols | I've always been using aptitude - is there any risk that it will not be developed any more? |
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| 21:37.37 | jelly-home | Agiofws: if you were meant to be able to download it, the web site would put up a download link |
| 21:38.06 | dAnjou | problem "solved": /usr/share/doc/command-not-found/README but there is no bash_command_not_found |
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| 21:38.16 | babilen | danols: No, not at all. You are just asked to use "apt-get" for *this* upgrade because "more consistently give[s] the desired upgrade results" -- |
| 21:38.27 | strtrcks | Agiofws chromeextensions.org? |
| 21:38.35 | Agiofws | well then they would arrest me from downloading it to my host |
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| 21:39.08 | jelly-home | ,versions command-not-found |
| 21:39.10 | judd | Package command-not-found on i386 -- sid: 0.2.38-1; squeeze: 0.2.38-1; wheezy: 0.2.38-1 |
| 21:39.20 | ATIM3 | strtrcks: yes, lxpanel was installed |
| 21:39.26 | wesohigh_ | yay |
| 21:39.52 | danols | babilen: cool |
| 21:39.56 | strtrcks | right-click on the panel, add stuff, there will be a window |
| 21:39.58 | danols | thanks |
| 21:40.21 | babilen | danols: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=590470 (for example) |
| 21:40.30 | strtrcks | then add the battery-monitor applet |
| 21:40.38 | strtrcks | probably wont work. |
| 21:41.09 | babilen | danols: It basically "overthinks" the upgrade. It is fine in most cases, but apt-get works and does not have this problem. You are welcome to use aptitude thereafter. |
| 21:41.10 | strtrcks | think, prolly, you have to edit settings after you added it |
| 21:41.33 | strtrcks | cuz the applet size values migth be wrong |
| 21:41.40 | danols | babilen: i'm glad cause I'm more used to it |
| 21:41.45 | danols | hmmm: GPG error: http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
| 21:41.58 | danols | and another one for http://backports.debian.org squeeze-backports .... |
| 21:42.10 | danols | should I just comment out the backports sources ? |
| 21:42.38 | babilen | danols: Please follow the release notes. It is quite important that you do so. |
| 21:42.46 | babilen | !release notes |
| 21:42.46 | dpkg | Release Notes for Debian 6.0 (Squeeze) are at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInSqueeze . Also ask me about <i-g>, <firmware images>, <install squeeze>, <errata>, <lenny->squeeze>. |
| 21:43.08 | babilen | danols: Read *at least* the section on "What's new in Squeeze" and chapter 4 |
| 21:43.37 | danols | babilen: I am reading the realase notes line by line |
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| 21:43.54 | danols | it said to replace backports lenny to backports squeeze .... |
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| 21:44.22 | danols | did I miss something I'm at 4.4.2. Updating the package list |
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| 21:44.44 | babilen | danols: Ah, wonderful. Yes, the backports service for squeeze was started on the 8th. That key *might* be in the debian-archive-keyring ... |
| 21:44.58 | ATIM3 | strtrcks: what battery-monitor applet are you talking about? How can I add it? what is the actual name of the deb package? |
| 21:45.01 | babilen | danols: Let me check, or others might know it off hand. |
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| 21:46.05 | jhutchins_lt | There was a problem with the keys earlier today. |
| 21:46.17 | danols | babilen: I don't recall if I actually used any backports packages ... how could I double check ? |
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| 21:47.16 | babilen | !bdo list |
| 21:47.16 | dpkg | To get a list of all the packages you have installed from backports.debian.org: aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Debian Backports))' -F'%100p'. Also ask me about <which repo>. |
| 21:47.40 | babilen | danols: Could you try updating the debian-archive-keyring please? |
| 21:47.45 | dwq | Agiofws: you might be interested in this thread http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/youtube-and-tmp-folder-863555/ |
| 21:47.47 | danols | dpkg is a smart bot :) |
| 21:47.47 | dpkg | danols: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 21:47.49 | danols | thanks dpkg |
| 21:48.11 | danols | babilen: sure but you need to guide me please |
| 21:48.14 | babilen | danols: yes it is, and curated daily by a swarm of volunteers :) |
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| 21:48.25 | danols | :) |
| 21:48.31 | danols | what's it developed in ? |
| 21:48.32 | babilen | danols: "aptitude install debian-archive-keyring" ;) |
| 21:48.38 | Davor | hello, i was wondering how can i run x11 on htc hero? currently i don't have a GUI. i installed xfce, but when starting it, it gives out an error |
| 21:48.44 | ATIM3 | strtrcks: what battery-monitor applet are you talking about? How can I add it? what is the actual name of the deb package? |
| 21:48.46 | babilen | danols: brainfuck ;) |
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| 21:50.23 | strtrcks | ATIM3 think it was in the lxpanel, i said right-click on the panel, add applet, and select the battery applet |
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| 21:50.24 | danols | LOL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck |
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| 21:50.25 | danols | never heard of it |
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| 21:50.30 | danols | I'm gonna tell my boss we need to start web development in that |
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| 21:50.32 | babilen | danols: yeah, that's the one :-D |
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| 21:50.58 | Nightm | wow |
| 21:51.02 | ATIM3 | strtrcks, ok. will put your advice to the test. thanks |
| 21:51.03 | danols | ok updated I'll try the upgrade again |
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| 21:51.26 | danols | good to go |
| 21:51.26 | babilen | danols: Please don't. There are much saner choices. It is not called "brainfuck" for no reason. But this is a bit off-topic, so please excuse if I don't discuss this further. |
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| 21:51.53 | danols | babilen: i was joking |
| 21:52.17 | babilen | danols: sure |
| 21:52.23 | danols | we should start a rumor that brainfuck is used by google |
| 21:53.15 | Davor | so are there drivers that could enable x11 on my htc hero? |
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| 21:54.24 | babilen | Davor: Are you using Debian on your phone? |
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| 21:54.34 | Davor | babilen: yup :) |
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| 21:54.52 | Davor | trying to get X to work. |
| 21:55.00 | strtrcks | rofl |
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| 21:55.07 | babilen | Davor: I would give "aptitude install xorg" a try then (care to share the link/procedure/...) |
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| 21:55.23 | ooxi | hi is there a reason for kernel-patch-badram not being in the default kernel? |
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| 21:55.43 | strtrcks | have to compile it? |
| 21:55.45 | valdyn | ooxi: debian doesnt really patch the default kernel with features |
| 21:55.48 | stew | ooxi: ask linus? |
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| 21:56.01 | ooxi | it seems that i have a faulty ram module and i'm wondering whether to live with the bad ram (and use badram) or to swap it for a new module |
| 21:56.25 | ooxi | valdyn, stew, badram isn't in vanilla kernel? |
| 21:56.29 | ooxi | i thought it was |
| 21:56.54 | danols | my apt-get dist-upgrade only wants to update 27 packages is that normal ? |
| 21:57.04 | ooxi | but nethertheless debian does patch a lot of packages, why not the kernel for such a fundamental package? |
| 21:57.05 | dondelelcaro | danols: depends on what you're doing |
| 21:57.13 | ooxi | or is badram condsidered experimental? |
| 21:57.19 | strtrcks | yes, if you have 27 package |
| 21:57.30 | dondelelcaro | ooxi: if it wasn't experimental, it would be in the mainline kernel |
| 21:57.33 | strtrcks | k, i stopped |
| 21:57.40 | danols | k |
| 21:57.47 | danols | just expected something grander :P |
| 21:57.48 | jelly-home | ooxi: most of the patches outside the main tree are outside for a reason |
| 21:57.56 | blocktree | how do I set my drive as removable? |
| 21:58.08 | ooxi | hmm ok so better swap the ram module |
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| 21:59.01 | blocktree | how do I set my drive with removable flag? |
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| 22:00.21 | jhutchins_lt | blocktree: I've never heard of doing that. Just unmount it and remove it. |
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| 22:02.34 | babilen | danols: It sounds a bit strange, yes. Have you completely upgraded now? |
| 22:03.13 | stew | danols: this is after you've done apt-get update, and upgraded the kernel and udev and rebooted? |
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| 22:03.16 | blocktree | jhutchins_lt: this is my problem: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/toggling-the-removable-flag-on-a-hard-drive-570817/ |
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| 22:04.04 | Davor | babilen: ok, running that now. i got a desktop-base error, though. i am basically doing everything in an .img file. i'm pretty sure it contains an installed system and i simply access it via chrooting, basically, but i'm using scripts made by some people on modaco and xda forums. |
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| 22:12.31 | chrisign | hello, anybody knows whats about nvidia-glx? xserver-xorg-core not available in sid? |
| 22:13.41 | babilen | chrisign: both are available in sid |
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| 22:14.03 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 22:14.03 | lenswipe | i have a lenny drive from a server(unencrypted, no LVM), plugged into my computer via IDE - can i just mount it and grab the data off it? |
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| 22:14.26 | strtrcks | lenswipe, ofc |
| 22:14.31 | chrisign | but not in the version I need for nvidia? |
| 22:14.45 | lenswipe | strtrcks, right, but the thing is - its not appearing under fdisk -l |
| 22:15.19 | chrisign | aptitude want to throw it out, because unfilled deps with xserver-xorg-core |
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| 22:15.41 | danols | I did both aptitude search "~ahold" | grep "^.h" and dpkg --get-selections | grep hold --- is there any other way that a package might be on hold and not found by these two commands ? |
| 22:16.10 | lenswipe | strtrcks, any ideas? |
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| 22:16.25 | lenswipe | strtrcks, i dont have to reboot or anything like that do i? |
| 22:16.53 | strtrcks | um. IDE doesnt support hot-plugging |
| 22:17.08 | strtrcks | so you have to reboot, i think |
| 22:17.14 | lenswipe | strtrcks, so is that a...right.. |
| 22:17.20 | lenswipe | ..dumb. |
| 22:17.23 | lenswipe | does SATA support hotplugging? |
| 22:18.35 | strtrcks | i dont think |
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| 22:19.27 | sussudio | lenswipe: your sata controller has to support it |
| 22:19.52 | lenswipe | sussudio, thats my next purchase decided |
| 22:20.01 | lenswipe | a hotplug compatible SATA controller... |
| 22:20.10 | sussudio | my promise sata300tx4 does |
| 22:20.14 | strtrcks | rly, sata supports changing the drive under power? |
| 22:20.24 | strtrcks | afsum |
| 22:20.30 | strtrcks | lenswipe, reboot |
| 22:20.31 | danols | ok this is very odd |
| 22:20.37 | sussudio | they show up as removeable drives and you have to disconnect them first |
| 22:20.39 | danols | so I don't think my upgrade worked |
| 22:20.45 | lenswipe | strtrcks, i shall |
| 22:21.10 | strtrcks | AHA, are you lazy!!!! :D |
| 22:21.12 | danols | when I look up libpam-mount it still shows 0.44-1+lenny3 version |
| 22:21.16 | danols | and thats it |
| 22:21.17 | Davor | i found a way to run xfce, via vnc, but when i connect, all i get is a dotted black and white screen with an x for a pointer, i can move it via the trackball or with my finger. only one thing, when i run vncserver :1, it shows a message "bad display name "localhost:1" in "add" command". any ideas? |
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| 22:22.14 | sako | is the oftc debian channel the official one? |
| 22:22.14 | sako | or is this one it? |
| 22:22.49 | sussudio | sako: whichever points to irc.debian.org, i assume |
| 22:22.59 | stew | sako: both |
| 22:23.01 | stew | sako: or neither |
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| 22:23.31 | sussudio | looks like it points to oftc |
| 22:23.42 | babilen | sako: One might argue that #d on OFTC is the official one as irc.debian.org â irc.oftc.net |
| 22:23.42 | sako | ah i see |
| 22:24.05 | stew | sako: there is no such designation, but documentation at debian.org points to both channels. both channels are run by the same set of people |
| 22:24.53 | strtrcks | hmm....i have some problems with shorewall, it slowed down, some webpages gone 504 |
| 22:25.01 | strtrcks | i overconfigured it |
| 22:25.50 | sussudio | oftc was nolilo.net at some point, right |
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| 22:29.46 | strtrcks | 503* |
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| 22:31.40 | autojack | is there any way to make an "apt-get install" automatically roll back to the previous version of a package if install (or maybe I should say configuration) fails? for example, if the postinst script returns 1 or something like that. |
| 22:32.30 | danols | how often on average there is a major debian release ? |
| 22:32.47 | danols | for example how long was squeeze in the making ? |
| 22:32.50 | karlpinc | !release history |
| 22:32.50 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06). The next release will be Wheezy. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparc |
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| 22:33.25 | danols | didn't debian exist before Toy Story ? |
| 22:33.59 | rww | Toy Story came out in 1995. |
| 22:34.01 | darkwood | where is default location of filezilla ? |
| 22:34.08 | rww | Yes, that is 15 years ago. Yes, we are old. |
| 22:34.46 | danols | wow I can't believe I'm that old first time I used debian was sometime in 1999-2000 |
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| 22:34.52 | danols | congrats guys on keeping it going |
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| 22:35.06 | Davor | yeah, seriously, congrats :D |
| 22:35.50 | strtrcks | k, what will be if they are runs out of names? |
| 22:35.58 | strtrcks | use my name, pls |
| 22:36.11 | strtrcks | -are |
| 22:36.23 | rww | There are a lot of names in Toy Story. |
| 22:36.33 | strtrcks | :/ |
| 22:36.59 | Davor | damn, i wish i was in toy story :( |
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| 22:40.10 | danols | Davor lol |
| 22:40.15 | danols | than they got Toy Story 2 and 3 |
| 22:40.41 | Davor | hmmm |
| 22:40.44 | Davor | a question |
| 22:40.57 | Davor | why do i every time i use apt-get get this error: |
| 22:41.39 | Davor | gconftool-2: symbol lookup error : /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2: undefined symbol gzopen64 |
| 22:41.51 | Davor | dpkg: error processing desktop-base (--remove): |
| 22:41.51 | dpkg | davor: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 22:42.23 | danols | fyi all - I actually had to update 227+ packages - forgot to rename lenny to squeeze |
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| 22:42.46 | Davor | sorry |
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| 22:46.09 | Davor | http://pastie.org/1595754 |
| 22:46.17 | Davor | finally typed over the error |
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| 22:46.51 | Davor | so, that happens every time i use apt-get |
| 22:47.11 | kanak | Hi, I'm getting a "GLIBCXX_3.4.11' not found" error when I try to launch certain programs (like nitrogen, apt-cache). I'm currently on debian squeeze. Could someone please help me fix this problem? Thanks |
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| 22:52.58 | danols | a script is asking me to either replace a config file or keep my local copy - if I replace it with new file will it make a backup of the old config ? |
| 22:53.29 | daemonkeeper | It won't. |
| 22:53.58 | danols | thanks |
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| 22:57.51 | jhutchins_lt | It saves the new one somewhere like /usr/share/doc doesn't it? |
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| 23:01.49 | babilen | Davor: Which version of libxml2 do you have installed? Which version of Debian do you use? (dpkg -l libxml2) |
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| 23:02.31 | babilen | Davor: Ah, probably 2.7.8.dfsg-2, that doesn't help much then :) |
| 23:03.07 | lenswipe | btw guys should the debain drive be master or slave? |
| 23:03.15 | Davor | 2.6.32, according to this :S |
| 23:03.17 | lenswipe | the one i dont want to boot from |
| 23:03.25 | Davor | It's lenny, i believe |
| 23:03.34 | lenswipe | nvm ill figure something out |
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| 23:05.23 | Davor | 2.6.32.dfsg-5 actually |
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| 23:10.21 | autojack | is there any way to make an "apt-get install" automatically roll back to the previous version of a package if install (or maybe I should say configuration) fails? for example, if the postinst script returns 1 or something like that. |
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| 23:11.21 | yang | Is there any special process in configuring VLAN under Linux, or can it simply be aliased as eth0:444 |
| 23:11.23 | somiaj | autojack: There is not automatic downgrade, but if you don't clean out the .deb from /var/cache/apt/archives, you can use dpkg to manually downgrade any package. |
| 23:11.27 | yang | I mean in Debian |
| 23:11.47 | autojack | somiaj: OK, yeah I know of some sorta manual ways to do it. |
| 23:12.17 | autojack | I was just hoping for a --rollback-on-error argument ;) |
| 23:12.39 | streuner | (automagic) |
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| 23:13.14 | drank | hello all i'm trying to switch my sources to testing but can't update, getting 404s from several mirrors |
| 23:13.22 | drank | is it me or is it debian :) |
| 23:13.23 | streuner | you might be better up, if you tell us the whole story... |
| 23:13.31 | somiaj | autojack: many issues with that, one is where would it get the deb (if its not on the local machine), really it is best to have errors be manually fixed on a per error basis than hope for magick |
| 23:13.37 | dvs | drank: you! ;-) |
| 23:13.55 | Davor | Any ideas? :( |
| 23:13.56 | streuner | (just a wild guess) |
| 23:13.59 | autojack | somiaj: yeah fair enough. I see how it would be easy for the old deb to not be available. |
| 23:14.03 | somiaj | autojack: you can sometimes try to run apt-get -f install afterwards, but it won't know what privious versions worked, and sometimes the previous versions may not be avaliable in your repos anymore. |
| 23:14.16 | autojack | right. |
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| 23:14.39 | autojack | ok, there are a few ways I can build this functionality into our deploy system. |
| 23:14.52 | autojack | I'll just look into doing that. |
| 23:14.53 | streuner | drank: it wouldnt hurd, if you give us more details |
| 23:14.55 | autojack | thanks for the info! |
| 23:15.06 | autojack | did somebody say HURD? |
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| 23:15.32 | babilen | autojack: gnu/hurt |
| 23:15.51 | streuner | WE need more details! |
| 23:16.05 | drank | sorry :) don't know what exactly |
| 23:16.09 | streuner | otherwise everything else is just speculation |
| 23:16.22 | babilen | drank: Please paste your sources.list the output of "apt-cache policy" the actual command and output to http://paste.debian.net |
| 23:16.31 | themill | drank: the exact output and your sources.list would be handy |
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| 23:17.23 | drank | alright thanks let's see |
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| 23:18.53 | Davor | Can someone help me install a de on my arm installation? I found a way to make it work via vnc, but every time i connect, i get a black and white dotted screen with a black X cursor which is moveable. Tried both xfce and lxde. Help? |
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| 23:22.08 | strtrcks | Davor, Update-alternatives X-session-manager if you doesnt use VNC, but i cant help why x doesnt starts WM if otherwise works |
| 23:22.36 | babilen | strtrcks: Was about to reply as well, but Davor is gone :-\ |
| 23:22.49 | streuner | hm |
| 23:22.56 | babilen | pokes drank |
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| 23:23.35 | streuner | babilen: i didnt regonise it too... |
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| 23:24.04 | strtrcks | update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 23:24.12 | strtrcks | to be precise |
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| 23:24.24 | strtrcks | kk |
| 23:24.26 | babilen | thanks, my ocd was itching :) |
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| 23:27.15 | drank | okay its me with switch sources to testing issue the output: http://paste.debian.net/108548 |
| 23:27.21 | drank | http://paste.debian.net/108549 |
| 23:27.28 | drank | http://paste.debian.net/108550 |
| 23:28.19 | themill | drank: a couple of things -- "/msg dpkg squeeze-.wheezy". Also, think carefully about what "wheezy-updates" would be. |
| 23:28.22 | dvs | wheezy updates? |
| 23:28.28 | AndChat| | strtrcks: actually, i don't have a gui at all, that's what i'm trying to get. I have to use vnc because it's difficult to find proper drivers for an htc hero. When i simply run startx or startlxde or whatever, it says something about a tty0 missing. |
| 23:28.31 | streuner | Hit http://liquorix.net sid Release.gpg |
| 23:28.50 | AndChat| | Davor here, sorry |
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| 23:31.54 | streuner | drank: Hit http://liquorix.net is prolly not an offical Debian mirror, and you are using sid/unstable... |
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| 23:32.05 | Davor | Damn, this irc app is really messing with me... |
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| 23:33.17 | drank | okay i switched switched the existing sources.list to wheezy.. .worked on a test computer the other day |
| 23:33.40 | drank | as for liquirix installed it following instructions from their website |
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| 23:34.20 | streuner | besides, upgrading to testing/wheezy isnt a good idea these days too |
| 23:35.03 | Seppoz | i still cant login my grip system :( any idea what could prevent a login for any user? |
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| 23:35.22 | streuner | usually its a mess, after some weeks its ok then |
| 23:36.01 | drank | i know i'm trying to solve a different issue with newer kernel and testing.. |
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| 23:36.28 | drank | i've had flaky internet so i basically wanted to check there were issues with mirrors |
| 23:36.39 | streuner | if you know about, it should be an important problem then |
| 23:37.08 | streuner | as long as you are using non-officiall mirrors? |
| 23:37.45 | drank | i do think they're official :D |
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| 23:40.27 | streuner | bascially you need 2 lines (ftp.<cc>debian.org and security) |
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| 23:40.40 | blocktree | when I plugin same external USB drive: on debian lenny KDE the dialog box to mount drive does not apper and the drive had to be mounted manualy, on fedore 14 diaolg pops up and allows me to browse drive instantly. Any idea why debian does not automout my drive? |
| 23:40.51 | themill | drank: the sid kernel can be installed on squeeze quite happily. You don't need to upgrade to wheezy or go to a 3rd party repository to get a newer kernel. The liquorix kernels aren't part of debian and we don't support them here; but they are also irrelevant to your problems here. |
| 23:41.10 | themill | drank: as I said earlier... think about what "wheezy-updates" means. |
| 23:41.42 | drank | themill: i'll do that too :) |
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| 23:43.09 | drank | ok thanks for the info all i'll try to fix that list and look into sid kernel wise |
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| 23:51.21 | naggg1 | (This might be a stupid question.) Program updates are, most of the time, supposed to fix bugs and generally make things more stable. Yet the most up to date version of most progs can only be found in unstable/experimental/etc. Does Debian just not trust program devs to create stable program updates, and thus tests everything over again itself? Or is there something more to it? |
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| 23:53.56 | themill | naggg1: "stable" also means tested so that they behave well together which is something that upstream developers rarely do. It also means "unchanging" so that you can just get on and use your computer rather than continually having to unbreak little things because someone changed the behaviour of some program or a config file changed format or ... |
| 23:54.06 | streuner | experimental (playground of DDs) -> sid/unstable (newest stuff) -> testing/wheezy (not very well tested -> stable/squeeze |
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| 23:56.32 | naggg1 | Ah, ok. It seemed as if running Sid would plunge me into some horrible mess of inevitable problems or something. So if I know something is safe, I can grab it from experimental, but Sid should be good if I'm usually running the latest stuff anyway? |
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| 23:57.05 | streuner | no |
| 23:57.05 | nevyn | naggg1: it depends. now would be a bad time to switch to unstable |
| 23:57.33 | themill | naggg1: sid is a great way of having lots of broken software. Experimental is the stuff that's too broken to go into sid. |
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| 23:58.15 | streuner | naggg1: if you have to ask these question, you shouldnt think about sid at all |
| 23:58.33 | naggg1 | Ah. But I saw that FF/IW 3.6 is in experimental. I use FF 3.6 every day, it doesn't seem horrific. |
| 23:58.55 | themill | naggg1: recent problems with sid: openoffice/libreoffice were uninstallable. xorg was uninstallable. once libreoffice was installable, it accidentally deleted everything that was in /share should you have that directory for some reason. ... |
| 23:59.48 | themill | naggg1: iceweasel3.6 can't be co-installed with the other xulrunner-using packages... so while it might work, installing the packages from experimental would break anything else that you used |
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