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| 00:00.42 | antivigilante | how i get an interrobang in something like libreOffice or Krita? |
| 00:01.01 | themill | antivigilante: <compose> ! ? (/msg dpkg compose) |
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| 00:02.17 | themill | naggg1: sid is usually sufficiantly broken and sid users are expected to be sufficiently clueful (they are part of the debian development process after all), that sid users don't normally get much help in #debian. And we definitely don't bother solving problems for users of packages from experimental. |
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| 00:03.22 | streuner | naggg1: usually you use package out of experimental if you know exactly what you are doing and you have no other choice |
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| 00:03.33 | streuner | naggg1: do* |
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| 00:03.53 | streuner | but its the very last option for sid users |
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| 00:04.27 | naggg1 | Will wheezy be better? I don't want to be too out of date. |
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| 00:04.39 | streuner | come on |
| 00:04.46 | streuner | its just released... |
| 00:05.05 | streuner | squeeze |
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| 00:06.43 | streuner | just got a Deja Vu.. |
| 00:07.26 | streuner | "it doenst need much time, when somebody comes and say, Hey, stable is out of date..." |
| 00:07.31 | dwq | SOLVED! If anyone remembers my sound problem on a minimal installation it was because I was missing gnome-media. |
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| 00:08.52 | iPod-nano | OK, Google is being a pain for this, so I came here. How can I get my Debian server to automatically mount an *internal* drive formatted as FAT32 on boot? |
| 00:09.11 | apollo13 | iPod-nano: /etc/fstab is your friend |
| 00:09.17 | hesco | Tomorrow I get a new HD on which I need to install a system for installation in the data center downtown. I can connect the drive to my desktop through a usb and am hoping to mount that to an Oracle VM VirtualBox to be used for the build (so building this new system does not shut down my work while I'm at it). Will this be possible? Am I crazy? |
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| 00:10.28 | rudi_s | iPod-nano: And man fstab. |
| 00:10.30 | hesco | I only need to build a small base system, because when I get it downtown, I'm installing two drives from which I need to do the lvm2 thing and build a RAID-0. |
| 00:11.06 | hesco | Is there some more appropriate place to ask questions about Oracle VM VirtualBox ??? |
| 00:11.36 | naggg1 | Possibly an IRC channel specifically about VB? |
| 00:11.52 | iPod-nano | I guess I'm more of a newb than I thought. |
| 00:12.23 | hesco | nagg1: well, #VB looks like a VisualBasic channel. No interest in lerning that. |
| 00:12.56 | themill | #vbox |
| 00:13.05 | naggg1 | hesco: I don't think the "VB" abbreviation was -that- ambiguous... |
| 00:13.07 | hesco | aha, found #virtualbox, but informed it is invite-only |
| 00:13.08 | phogg | hesco: #virtualbox is more likely, but I've no idea |
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| 00:14.03 | hesco | thanks themill, #vbox it is. |
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| 00:19.45 | autoditac | hi. i try to rebuild the squeeze installer to include a custom preseed file. works ok until it the installer begins to download and install packages from the repositories. it then fails with stating that some package is corrupt and on the log console i can see that it can't find "sha1sum", which is in coreutils. any hints on what might have gone wrong? |
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| 00:19.50 | iPod-nano | Thanks apollo13 and rudi_s. I didn't know it was that simple. |
| 00:19.57 | rudi_s | np |
| 00:20.03 | rtghuzhg | Hi, i can't make a mirror from debian security with debmirror i get every time this message: Parse Packages and Sources files and add to the file list everything therein. |
| 00:20.03 | rtghuzhg | No packages after parsing Packages and Sources files! |
| 00:20.03 | rtghuzhg | WARNING: releasing 1 pending lock... |
| 00:20.53 | rtghuzhg | what is the problem? |
| 00:21.01 | rtghuzhg | how can i fix that |
| 00:21.02 | iPod-nano | While I have live people here, does anyone know about Asterisk? #asterisk didn't say anything when I asked. |
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| 00:21.18 | streuner | iPod-nano: have some patience |
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| 00:21.36 | streuner | asterisk is very complex and only a few people even use it... |
| 00:21.41 | iPod-nano | streuner, I was waiting in there for hours before I finally closed my browser. |
| 00:22.10 | streuner | well, maybe there is a ML? |
| 00:22.51 | rtghuzhg | debian repository it self works fine only the security fails |
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| 00:32.48 | rtghuzhg | debmirror -v -h security.debian.org --method=rsync -r :debian-security -d squeeze/updates -s main -a amd64 /var/mirror/debian-security/ <- can anybody say what is my fail??? |
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| 00:41.07 | psych0 | away: [Inativo por mais de 30 minutos] [desde: 21:41, page: on] |
| 00:41.22 | psych0 | voltou: [Inativo por mais de 30 minutos] [duração: 16secs, page: on] |
| 00:41.27 | stew | psych0-Away: please turn that off in here |
| 00:41.48 | psych0 | haha |
| 00:41.55 | psych0 | auto-away |
| 00:41.57 | psych0 | sorry |
| 00:42.02 | psych0 | disabled |
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| 00:56.26 | maher | in evolution i'm meant to see a small calendar in the sidebar - but its not there - how do i get it there? |
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| 00:56.44 | maher | doh |
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| 00:58.45 | maher | bah - how do i see more than a months worth of days at a time? |
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| 01:00.09 | gnutron | maher: cal year |
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| 01:00.31 | gnutron | maher: cal xxxx where xxxx is a year |
| 01:01.09 | maher | gnutron: i am familiar with cal - i was seeing if evolution also had these advanced featres |
| 01:01.38 | gnutron | maher: sorry, I missed the evolution part, thought you meant cli. |
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| 01:08.05 | ice799 | Hi |
| 01:08.17 | dvs | salut |
| 01:08.33 | ice799 | When apt says that a package is referred to by another package can I have apt output which package is referring? |
| 01:08.49 | ice799 | "Package BLAH is not available, but is referred to by another package." |
| 01:08.58 | ice799 | how do i find the packages referring to BLAH ? |
| 01:13.17 | streuner | ice799: does the package BLAH have a name? :-) |
| 01:13.37 | ice799 | streuner: no |
| 01:13.42 | ice799 | given an arbitrary package |
| 01:13.47 | ice799 | how can i find out which packages refer to it |
| 01:14.03 | streuner | heh |
| 01:14.32 | streuner | please give us the whole output in a pastebin |
| 01:14.53 | dfdfsdf | streuner, try apt-get install firefo |
| 01:14.54 | dfdfsdf | streuner, try apt-get install firefox |
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| 01:15.02 | dfdfsdf | should output what ice799 says |
| 01:15.22 | streuner | dpkg, iceweasel |
| 01:15.22 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 01:15.33 | maher | is mozilla lightning or sunbird packaged for debian? |
| 01:15.50 | ice799 | i just want a reverse depdency list for an arbitrary package X |
| 01:15.53 | streuner | dpkg, sundbird |
| 01:15.53 | dpkg | i don't know, streuner |
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| 01:15.57 | streuner | dpkg, sunbird |
| 01:15.58 | dpkg | Mozilla Sunbird is a cross-platform calendar and scheduling application. The goal is to produce a stand-alone application using the XUL user interface language, leaving a somewhat smaller memory footprint than the Mozilla suite. Packaged for Debian as <iceowl>. http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/ #calendar on irc.mozilla.org. |
| 01:16.06 | ice799 | package X is not installed, I want to know which packages refer to X. |
| 01:16.09 | Bing0 | Hi. I want to give Debian a try(in a VBox instance for now). Is there a disto other than stable to try out? I don't mind custom fitting it to my needs over time. Thanks! |
| 01:16.10 | nevyn | ice799: greping availilbe should do it. |
| 01:16.11 | ice799 | this should be possible with apt |
| 01:16.13 | maher | of course - its an owl |
| 01:16.22 | streuner | hehe |
| 01:16.36 | streuner | judd, versions iceowl |
| 01:16.38 | judd | Package iceowl on i386 -- lenny: 0.8-6; sid: 1.0~b1+dfsg2-2; squeeze: 1.0~b1+dfsg2-2; wheezy: 1.0~b1+dfsg2-2; experimental: 1.0~b2-2 |
| 01:16.57 | stew | ice799: you could |
| 01:17.07 | dfdfsdf | ice799, maybe do just apt-cache search BLAH |
| 01:17.15 | stew | ice799: you could grep for it in /var/lib/dpkg/available |
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| 01:17.17 | dfdfsdf | and apt should show anything related to BLAH |
| 01:17.43 | stew | apt-cache only searches in name and description, not in the relationship fields |
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| 01:17.59 | ice799 | stew: yeah i just did that |
| 01:18.02 | ice799 | that worked |
| 01:18.03 | ice799 | thanks |
| 01:18.47 | maher | ok - does anyone know any gui calendar app that can show more than six weeks of days at once? (5 months would be nice) |
| 01:19.39 | nevyn | like a planner view? |
| 01:19.44 | karlpinc | Bing0: See: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 01:19.51 | karlpinc | !tell Bing0 about overview |
| 01:19.59 | maher | nevyn: sure - which app |
| 01:20.00 | nevyn | you're not going to get much screenspace for each day... |
| 01:20.10 | Bing0 | thanks karlpinc |
| 01:20.15 | maher | nevyn: my eyesight is very good |
| 01:20.27 | karlpinc | Bing0: Be sure to read the wiki page before deciding. |
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| 01:22.21 | karlpinc | Bing0: Note that testing and unstable break, unstable more than testing. |
| 01:23.11 | stew | when testing breaks or security problems are discovered, it takes longer for it to get fixed |
| 01:23.15 | Bing0 | karlpinc, im leaning toward testing so far |
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| 01:23.31 | karlpinc | !sns |
| 01:23.31 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 01:23.35 | Bing0 | im not new to linux, just raw debian....so im not chicken if something breaks :) |
| 01:23.51 | dvs | stew: But things are usually caught in sid before it gets to testing. |
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| 01:24.43 | karlpinc | Bing0: It really depends on what you want it for. Playing around is one thing, relying on a system is something else. I rely on my desktop to get work done; I run stable. |
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| 01:25.32 | karlpinc | Bing0: And, I want tier-1 support from the security team. |
| 01:25.35 | Bing0 | karlpinc, well... ive been using ubuntu as a main desktop for awhile. I do like it, but there are things about i don't. I wanted to try debian to determine if i like how much control debian offers me |
| 01:26.21 | karlpinc | Bing0: The nice thing about Debian is all the packages. But I can't speak to how Ubuntu compares otherwise. |
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| 01:27.21 | Bing0 | suppose i download testing, install it, and after i aptitude update/upgrade. what kernel ver# should i expect? roughly... i just hope it would be current enough to see hardware at least two years old |
| 01:27.39 | Bing0 | is running 2.6.36.2 right now. |
| 01:27.44 | stew | ,kernels |
| 01:27.45 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.37-1-686 (2.6.37-1); wheezy: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 01:27.49 | Bing0 | oh nice |
| 01:29.06 | mchecca | if you need a custom kernel, it's fairly easy to build. Not sure what you specifically need from the kernel... |
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| 01:30.54 | Bing0 | mchecca, nothing bleeding edge, just the comfort of knowing if i drop some hardware that is within two years old i wont have a nightmare config/installing it |
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| 01:31.53 | mchecca | I see, I too have had the problem when trying to install Debian stable on my new laptop. I ended up building a bare kernel and fetching all the drivers I needed cause they were all too new |
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| 01:32.56 | stew | !kmuto |
| 01:32.56 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 01:33.21 | dvs | so old |
| 01:33.36 | mchecca | My hardware is still not incorporated even in the git version |
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| 01:38.10 | acu | I have a 1.5 TB hard disk with a lot of duplicate files - spread in different folders with different names - is any tool to find file duplicates ? |
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| 01:39.00 | mchecca | Are the the same exact file, just different names? |
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| 01:39.15 | acu | most are the same files |
| 01:39.21 | acu | same with different names |
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| 01:41.17 | maher | acu: try rdfind |
| 01:41.24 | mchecca | I have heard have, but not extensively used, i tool called FSlint. It comes with a nice GUI too |
| 01:41.33 | IanWizard | My system keeps hanging after resume from RAM. I can toggle the wifi, and the SysRq keys work, so the kernel is alright, but I can't get to a TTY. This sound familiar to anyone? I'm using xscreensaver, if that may be the problem, but I can't see anything in the logs. |
| 01:41.50 | maher | acu: or fdupes |
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| 01:58.45 | imperfect- | Why are theer 8 dvd's |
| 01:58.47 | imperfect- | that's nuts/ |
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| 01:59.00 | dvs | imperfect-: if you don't like the internet |
| 02:00.17 | Bushmills | what's wrong with 8 dvds? |
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| 02:00.47 | Bushmills | there's tomsrtbt, which comes on one single floppy disc |
| 02:01.27 | acu | maher: I am trying to use fdupes - and strangely it searches in some directories -and not in others - I have a hdd in /media/hdd and it gives me fdupes: could not chdir |
| 02:03.00 | grechk | hello... i have a problem with squeeze and sony vaio s series (13")... this laptop has many problems with linux, but I almost solved ... I miss just the audio from internal speakers |
| 02:03.19 | grechk | can someone help me? |
| 02:03.23 | extreme_ | hi |
| 02:03.27 | grechk | hi |
| 02:04.21 | extreme_ | whats the recommended way to create a bootable debian kfreebsd usb installer ? |
| 02:04.36 | extreme_ | ive tried dd if to the usb |
| 02:04.39 | extreme_ | no luck |
| 02:04.46 | acu | grechk: you need to install the alsa audio drivers from scratch |
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| 02:05.15 | grechk | the audio output is working properly |
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| 02:05.44 | acu | grechk: I know - spent nights on this fu**er |
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| 02:06.33 | acu | go do synaptic pakage manager and install alsa-source |
| 02:06.41 | grechk | ok |
| 02:07.07 | acu | and tell me what you got - what is it pulling with it |
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| 02:07.55 | jsubl2 | using debian squeeze gnome desktop. I would like to get the temperature to display next to the time in the panel. |
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| 02:08.23 | dvs | jsubl2: add a panel? |
| 02:08.48 | EZmoney | add applet to panel |
| 02:08.52 | grechk | debconf-utils, alsa-source, module-assistant, kernel-package installed correctly |
| 02:09.18 | jsubl2 | the time and date show up. just not the temp |
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| 02:11.20 | acu | grechk, now you need to do some commands - and eventually reboot - since it will modify some kernel stuff - let me see if I wrote what I did |
| 02:12.40 | acu | grechk, wait - I may save you few nights |
| 02:12.53 | Coded1 | I have 2 machines right next to each other both using wifi to connect to WAN/LAN. They seem to be messing with each other and I am getting massive lag (2-3sec) when ssh'ing either way and downloading from the WLAN seems to go quick then stall and then pick up again. The antennas are about 3 feet away from each other. Now I have both of them connected via ethernet but I would like to use connection sharing so I only |
| 02:13.09 | Coded1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:13.30 | acu | grechk, install alsa-source and module-assistant, then run the following terminal commands |
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| 02:14.20 | acu | grechk, -c 'm-a update && m-a prepare' -------then you run the following -c 'm-a a-i -t alsa-source' |
| 02:14.25 | thewanderer1 | Coded1: connection sharing? you can set this up statically - they are desktop machines right? |
| 02:14.49 | acu | grechk, you need to reboot after is done |
| 02:14.57 | acu | are you here ? |
| 02:15.01 | acu | do you read me ? |
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| 02:16.43 | grechk | done ... now reboot and go back to thank |
| 02:16.54 | acu | cross fingers |
| 02:16.59 | acu | and pray hard :) |
| 02:17.30 | Coded1 | thewanderer1, their being used as desktop machines |
| 02:17.48 | thewanderer1 | ok well... you should be able to make a bridge out of one |
| 02:18.24 | grechk | a moment of patience ... are working and I have to give up the laptop for a moment |
| 02:18.28 | grechk | :D |
| 02:18.55 | acu | they are working - good job grechk |
| 02:19.00 | acu | linux is too easy |
| 02:19.06 | acu | :) |
| 02:19.21 | grechk | thanks |
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| 02:19.41 | acu | welcome - and help others - I have to make a tutorial on that - I took me some work |
| 02:19.42 | thewanderer1 | Coded1: you can put up a bridge in /etc/network/interfaces, and the wireless interface should be configured with wpa_supplicant or a similar tool |
| 02:20.25 | thewanderer1 | Coded1: you might also run into a problem of authenticating MAC's - access point will only accept one source MAC per key so if you encounter that, use MAC NAT or just make your computer a router |
| 02:20.41 | grechk | no no ... I'm at work really, in power plant ;) |
| 02:20.52 | grechk | reboot |
| 02:20.59 | acu | grechk: I lifted from a website here - but it took me time - OK |
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| 02:21.23 | Coded1 | thewanderer1, will check it out |
| 02:21.25 | thewanderer1 | Coded1: you should be fine from now on... someone else might take over cause I'm going to suspend now |
| 02:21.25 | Coded1 | ty |
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| 02:23.03 | imperfect- | Anyone here using a googletv? |
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| 02:31.55 | VorpalBunny | Hi, I tried to install the fglrx driver using the directions on the ATIProprietary wiki; now when I run startx the monitor flickers like it's switching graphics modes but then it just goes to a blank screen. Going to the console, there is a message "no protocol specified" and it claims it can't connect to the X server. I'm running Openbox on Squueze, and am confused :/ |
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| 02:37.07 | alexbodn1 | hello friends |
| 02:37.07 | alexbodn1 | i'm using debian as a lan server with clients, when /home is currently on the server, shared via nfs4. |
| 02:37.07 | alexbodn1 | i'm also considering sharing /usr/local via nfs4. would it be wise? are there any specific policies in debian for /usr/local that may hurt this kind of installation? |
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| 02:39.17 | duxklr | alexbodn1: what are you going to put into /usr/local? |
| 02:39.23 | Coded1 | alexbodn1, as long as its read only should'nt be that bad |
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| 02:40.49 | Coded1 | alexbodn1, that's mostly compiled programs but keep in mind they may depend on libs that are in other folders... |
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| 02:41.30 | Coded1 | alexbodn1, so running programs directly over the network might foobar you |
| 02:42.25 | duxklr | Debian has such a rich set of packages, I would be curious what the /usr/local dir would be for. |
| 02:42.28 | alexbodn1 | hello duxklr, Coded1. i'd like to install there software not packaged, in the course of development |
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| 02:44.36 | alexbodn1 | distributors tend to install by make in /usr/local, and the permissions are not that high, and it prevails in path before /usr/... |
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| 02:45.12 | Coded1 | alexbodn1, as long as you know where all the libraries are you should be fine |
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| 02:45.40 | ^Mike | How can I find out what package includes the program `cpan`? |
| 02:45.54 | duxklr | I see no issues with this, I used to do it many years ago on some non-debian servers. Coded1 brings up a good point, make sure your dependencies are available on all servers you would be running the software on. Make sure you know how you would deal with the NFS server becoming unavailable (ie. it crashes, network down, etc). |
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| 02:47.39 | alexbodn1 | duxklr, Coded1, the problem might come from the stuff debian installs in /usr/local/... here and there. or these should be always ignored? |
| 02:47.55 | stew | ^Mike: you probably want /msg dpkg dh-make-perl |
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| 02:49.32 | ^Mike | stew: no, that is dh-make-perl, not the cpan shell O.o |
| 02:50.14 | Coded1 | alexbodn1, if I was in your position I would make the /usr/.. directory read-only and only provide softlinks from each users profile to the programs they need in that directory |
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| 02:50.40 | alexbodn1 | ^Mike: gogle dor debian packages, and search contents of packages there. |
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| 02:50.55 | Coded1 | alexbodn1, if you give them nothing but the whole directory they will be playing with everything and likely bork something |
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| 02:51.41 | duxklr | ^Mike: How about: apt-file search cpan |
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| 02:52.13 | bmoloney | hello, I have a KVM guest that I installed with virsh. I just shut it down and restarted it and now it is not showing up on the network. Doing 'virsh console' doesn't work either. How can I debug this? |
| 02:52.28 | ^Mike | duxklr: no results :\ |
| 02:53.13 | duxklr | ^Mike: $ apt-file search cpan | wc |
| 02:53.13 | duxklr | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.25 | duxklr | I have 181 results.. |
| 02:53.53 | alexbodn1 | Coded1, /usr/local is write accessible by staff, which should be ok. say a staff from one machine installs something, depending also on /usr/.. packages on that machine. staff from other machines can't yet use this program, until will install that packages in /usr/... too. |
| 02:54.30 | ^Mike | duxklr: okay, well I have zero results, and anyways, there should only be one package providing that executable :\ |
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| 02:55.51 | duxklr | ^Mike: it shows everything with the cpan in it. I ran: apt-file search cpan | grep cpan$ - it shows: perl: /usr/bin/cpan |
| 02:56.28 | Coded1 | alexbodn1, don't forget many packages depend on /etc/ so installing a package from a client will update the servers /usr/local but the clients /etc/ which will mess with things |
| 02:56.47 | Coded1 | alexbodn1, also running apps from there will check the local /etc/ and not the server side /etc |
| 02:57.16 | duxklr | ^Mike: You can also use the website: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=cpan&mode=filename&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 02:57.40 | ^Mike | okay, thank you |
| 02:58.42 | Coded1 | alexbodn1, what is your goal? do you want just a subset of packages available via your server ? maybe mapping everything to the server would be a better idea? |
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| 02:59.20 | puff | Is there any easy way to a) compare two installations and see what packages are present in one but not the other, b) see what packages were explicitly installed vs. installed because they were dependencies? |
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| 03:00.10 | puff | I guess I could just dump the package list out to a text file on each machine, then diff the two files. |
| 03:00.15 | puff | Something tells me that'll be less than elegant. |
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| 03:01.10 | stew | ^Mike: its in the "perl" package |
| 03:01.12 | alexbodn1 | Coded1, right, but staff can't write to /etc, so packages requiring this should be debianized. but as my policy is to deal with source packages, this might be always controlled. |
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| 03:01.54 | froggyman | Anyone here familiar with having udev run a sh script after a specific device is mounted |
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| 03:02.39 | duxklr | alexbodn1: personally I think that if you put stuff in /usr/local it should ONLY be in /usr/local. Don't write anything out side of /usr/local. |
| 03:03.06 | duxklr | alexbodn1: /etc should not be used. /usr/local/etc what I would personally do. |
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| 03:03.24 | alexbodn1 | duxklr:exactly |
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| 03:04.05 | Coded1 | duxklr, will the packages automatically look for the /usr/local/etc if it is available ? |
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| 03:05.02 | alexbodn1 | Coded1: depends on the configuration of the package itself, i think |
| 03:05.28 | Coded1 | alexbodn1, cool I learnt something new today |
| 03:06.06 | alexbodn1 | Coded1: do it everyday :) |
| 03:06.20 | Coded1 | alexbodn1, I try ;) |
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| 03:07.22 | duxklr | Coded1: It depends on how you build/install/etc. I presume most would, of course there will be a few lost souls that don't let you easily specify... |
| 03:08.12 | duxklr | Coded1: if you are building a typical modern package that uses ./configure then they typically accept --prefix=/usr/local |
| 03:08.45 | duxklr | Sometimes you need to edit a Makefile by hand. Sometime prebuilt software will allow you to set the path during the install. It all depends.. |
| 03:08.46 | Coded1 | duxklr, why not just make a master repository and push each package out to the clients ? |
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| 03:09.02 | katsrc | does anyone know if there are any plans to get GPU support in ffmpeg? |
| 03:09.46 | duxklr | Coded1: for the most part I agree with that now-a-days, disks are cheap. But alexbodn1 asked about NFS'ing /usr/local |
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| 03:10.32 | Coded1 | duxklr, true true |
| 03:11.54 | karlpinc | !tell froggyman about somebody |
| 03:11.56 | duxklr | I like the concept of having a single place to update all my software that is automatically pushed out to all servers. BUT, it can also cause problems. What works on one system may not work on all systems. If you rely on this for critical production server one slip in /usr/local could potentially break dozens of machines. This is the main reason I don't do it anymore. |
| 03:11.57 | alexbodn1 | Coded1, ideally, i should probably debianize every program, but in the process of development, it's usually easier to access the files directly |
| 03:12.05 | karlpinc | !tell froggyman about anybody |
| 03:12.30 | froggyman | karlpinc, I got it taken care of now :) |
| 03:12.35 | duxklr | alexbodn1: Sure, you know your systems best. Just make sure you think it though first. |
| 03:13.09 | alexbodn1 | duxklr: when the net is down' it's down :( |
| 03:13.40 | duxklr | alexbodn1: my point about NET down is that NFS hangs can cause serious issues with a running server. |
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| 03:14.34 | duxklr | I will admit, I don't use NFS much at all anymore, but settings like hard / soft mount mean different things. Do you want the system to "block" when NFS is down (basically hang the system), or do you want the server to just ignore it and move along. |
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| 03:15.02 | alexbodn1 | ah, ok. so you suggest servers should run locally on the server only |
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| 03:17.11 | alexbodn1 | duxklr: i've started the whole thing hoping debian is not interested itself in /usr/local, so that hosts will be up even before nfs connection |
| 03:17.37 | froggyman | karlpinc, I'll keep that in mind for the future though |
| 03:18.19 | duxklr | alexbodn1: There are pros and cons to either solution. Take all our points and counter points to make the decision that best fits within your organization. It sounds like you might have a good reason to use NFS of in house packages. I personally don't compile anything anymore. Debian/Ubuntu has such a huge repository of packages I prefer to use something someone else has compiled and maintains. It is not worth my time to custom |
| 03:18.19 | duxklr | . I have 100+ servers to manage. I like packages. |
| 03:19.49 | duxklr | alexbodn1: I don't think debian puts anything in /usr/local - I don't know everything, but I have never seen it put anything in /usr/local. You are free to do what you want with that dir. |
| 03:20.46 | stew | debian packages are prohibited from touching /usr/local by policy |
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| 03:22.12 | alexbodn1 | duxklr: don't get me wrong. i have specifically improved mini-dinstall to properly distribute packages i'm building locally. there are also packages i'm checking out and building by a script, to be consistent with debian. but there allways is an otherwise ;) ... |
| 03:22.41 | duxklr | stew: Thank you. I just found that in the policy manual. Good to know. |
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| 03:23.26 | karlpinc | duxklr: But there's also "stow" to manage /usr/local. YMMV. |
| 03:23.33 | alexbodn1 | stew: there are a few files there, that i cant swear didn't come from some accidental make install |
| 03:24.18 | alexbodn1 | karlpinc: what do you mean? |
| 03:24.30 | stew | alexbodn1: if a .deb contains files in /usr/local it won't make it into the archive. it it generates files post-install, a Severity: serious bug should be filed |
| 03:24.53 | stew | alexbodn1: you should expect a directory structure there, but not files |
| 03:25.11 | karlpinc | !tell alexbodn1 about stow |
| 03:25.21 | duxklr | karlpinc: I used to use a similar program way back in the day.. I used to like that concept. |
| 03:25.23 | alexbodn1 | stew: hooray :) |
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| 03:28.35 | alexbodn1 | karlpinc: interesting too, thanks |
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| 03:29.30 | karlpinc | alexbodn1: You may also be interested in the fhs. FYI. |
| 03:29.35 | karlpinc | !tell alexbodn1 about fhs |
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| 03:33.44 | alexbodn1 | duxklr, Coded1, stew, karlpinc: fhs says: The /usr/local hierarchy is for use by the system administrator when installing software locally. It needs to be safe from being overwritten when the system software is updated. It may be used for programs and data that are shareable amongst a group of hosts, but not found in /usr. thank you very much for your expert help. |
| 03:34.33 | duxklr | alexbodn1: no problem. |
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| 03:36.50 | bendbanks | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
| 03:36.52 | karlpinc | n y67~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~-*+ |
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| 03:38.22 | bendbanks | Hi all openoffice question, when I load it up (open3) I'm getting boxes around certain charactes in the menu system any ideas |
| 03:38.27 | WebWalker3D | Stupid question about clustering with debian. If I'm using GlusterFS and ISPConfig3 to cluster mysql, apache2, and email - will the incoming resource request go to 1 server with the least load, or will the entire load be shared among the servers in the cluster? Or does it not work either way? |
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| 03:38.36 | mosno | when i click "Remember Currently Running Application" in Gnome, Tomboy crashes... |
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| 03:39.03 | rue_mohr | is there an iso for usb drives to netistall debian? |
| 03:39.27 | stew | rue_mohr: yes, the isos are hybrid isos that can be written right to a usb |
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| 03:39.38 | karlpinc | rue_mohr: The stock installer see the install guide. |
| 03:39.38 | stew | mosno: check the bts and file a bug if one doesn't already exist |
| 03:39.42 | rue_mohr | ah, so I can use the same asa cd iso? |
| 03:39.52 | stew | rue_mohr: yes |
| 03:40.10 | mosno | stew, things like this don't get fixed in stable, right? assuming it's not a security issue? |
| 03:40.44 | stew | mosno: whether it can be fixed in unstable dependson the severity and the size of the patch |
| 03:41.27 | stew | mosno: though filing the bug might result in a workaround being found if nothing else |
| 03:41.43 | mosno | stew, ok, thanks |
| 03:42.03 | mosno | stew, wait you said unstable, what about stable? |
| 03:42.17 | stew | mosno: no, sorry i meant stable |
| 03:42.25 | mosno | stew, ah. thanks again. |
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| 03:53.11 | karlpinc | mosno: I could be wrong but I believe that things get fixed in the first point release for stable that would not otherwise be fixed in later point releases. |
| 03:53.57 | mosno | karlpinc, i'll have to check the policy. will check/file the bug soon (right now i need to do some work on some website) |
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| 03:56.02 | laconic | is backports run by official debian developers? |
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| 03:56.23 | homie | yes |
| 03:56.58 | ScottG | Is there Linux support for quicktime or realvideo in browsers? I need to watch a video for class that can be watched in one of those formats |
| 03:57.17 | dondelelcaro | ScottG: mplayer will usually play them |
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| 03:57.48 | laconic | can i TRUST them? |
| 03:57.55 | ScottG | dondelelcaro: The problem is that I don't have files, they are only available inside a browser |
| 03:58.09 | dondelelcaro | ScottG: even inside a browser, they are still files, but mplayer has a browser plugin... |
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| 03:58.23 | dondelelcaro | laconic: that's a question only you can answer |
| 03:58.43 | laconic | i don't trust myself to answer that question |
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| 04:00.33 | dondelelcaro | laconic: well, considering that you're trusting developers who develop debian (and the upstream developers who write everything upstream), you've kind of already started down the road to answering that question |
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| 04:00.37 | ScottG | dondelelcaro: I'm not sure how to access the files inside the browser |
| 04:00.49 | dondelelcaro | ScottG: heh; you look at the source code... |
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| 04:01.05 | laconic | dondelelcaro: i'll trust anyone who's been through newmaint |
| 04:01.05 | dondelelcaro | ScottG: or you click on the elements, and use the DOM browser to retrieve them |
| 04:01.20 | dondelelcaro | laconic: well, you have to have gone through newmaint to upload to bpo |
| 04:01.32 | ScottG | dondelelcaro: Already been doing that. The site explicitly says that the files arent available for download for DRM reasons so I don't know if it will be possible |
| 04:01.37 | stew | you can upload to debian without having gone through newmaint |
| 04:01.38 | laconic | dondelelcaro: then i shall trust them with my life |
| 04:01.58 | laconic | stew: eeek |
| 04:02.08 | laconic | sits uneasily |
| 04:02.29 | laconic | are my debians contaminated? |
| 04:02.35 | stew | since we have "Debian Maintainers" who can get upload rights once their sponsor decides they are trustworthy |
| 04:02.45 | dondelelcaro | ScottG: well, it's always possible, but it may be difficult; anyway, the mozilla-mplayer package is probably your best bet |
| 04:02.51 | laconic | stew: they've been identity checked? |
| 04:03.00 | dondelelcaro | laconic: yes |
| 04:03.18 | dondelelcaro | as much as we check the identity of anyone in Debian, anyway |
| 04:03.20 | laconic | dondelelcaro: thx. now i can sleep at night, |
| 04:04.38 | ScottG | dondelelcaro: Don't see that in aptitude |
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| 04:05.11 | dondelelcaro | ScottG: it's in the debian-multimedia repository |
| 04:05.26 | ScottG | Hm, I do have that repo |
| 04:06.02 | dondelelcaro | huh; looks like it's only in the lenny one; maybe it's been deprecated |
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| 04:07.37 | ScottG | Not finding this file |
| 04:09.14 | dondelelcaro | http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/main/m/mplayerplug-in/mozilla-mplayer_3.55-1.1_amd64.deb |
| 04:10.21 | dondelelcaro | it was in main, but it's currently not in Debian; it may not work at all |
| 04:11.23 | ScottG | Oh snap |
| 04:11.26 | ScottG | its doing something |
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| 04:13.47 | laconic | why is package ruby1.9.1 really ruby 1.9.2? |
| 04:15.01 | ScottG | dondelelcaro: Ultimately doesn't work. It tries to connect and everything but eventually just stops |
| 04:15.26 | dondelelcaro | ScottG: bummer; there may be another plugin which works, but I personally just look at the source code to play those sorts of things |
| 04:15.42 | dondelelcaro | ScottG: if it doesn't require a password to access the site, give the url, and I'll take a quick glance at it |
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| 04:15.51 | ScottG | dondelelcaro: I copied the url and it does look like I got the original link when poking around in the code. |
| 04:15.54 | ScottG | dondelelcaro: pnm://mediasoc.pbs.org/wgbh/mediastorage/nova/program/2809_01.rm |
| 04:16.10 | ScottG | Hm, something is happening |
| 04:16.31 | ScottG | yup, fails from the command line too |
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| 04:17.04 | ScottG | dondelelcaro: http://stream.qtv.apple.com/channels/wgbh/refs/041801/nova2809_1_56_ref.mov |
| 04:17.10 | ScottG | first was realvideo |
| 04:17.12 | ScottG | ^ quicktime |
| 04:17.29 | ScottG | Quicktime does better but mplayer spams "Cache not filling" |
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| 04:20.21 | ScottG | dondelelcaro: Haha ok, so I found a link INSIDE that mov (quicktime) file. mplayer can't play it directly but it seems I can wget it and that it is downloading. So I will see what I get when the download is finished |
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| 04:20.54 | dondelelcaro | ScottG: yeah, it doesn't play that either. If there's a wmv file, that may work better. |
| 04:21.56 | ScottG | dondelelcaro: Where did you find a wmv file? |
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| 04:23.31 | dondelelcaro | ScottG: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=558129 |
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| 04:26.32 | ScottG | dondelelcaro: How did you get a wmv file, though? |
| 04:27.07 | dondelelcaro | ScottG: I was just browsing that site; I don't know which page you were getting the links from, so I can't tell whether there's one for your video. |
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| 04:29.20 | eikenberry | Is there any advantage to creating a partition vs just formatting the entire drive? I only want 1 filesystem for the disk so I was just going to skip partitioning but then got to wondering. |
| 04:29.46 | dondelelcaro | eikenberry: some things expect a partition table, but it's not strictly necessary. |
| 04:30.07 | amphi | grub won't boot a disk with no partition table, as far as I know |
| 04:30.26 | eikenberry | This is a data drive. |
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| 04:30.41 | eikenberry | I'm building a NAS/server. The OS is on a separate disk. |
| 04:31.25 | karlpinc | eikenberry: I tend to use lvm when I'm using entire drives. |
| 04:32.24 | eikenberry | why? |
| 04:34.37 | karlpinc | eikenberry: Lvm is very handy. Ignore physical partiton problems. Live migrate data from drive to drive, etc. |
| 04:34.47 | karlpinc | s/problems/limits/ |
| 04:35.46 | karlpinc | eikenberry: Often you want lvm on top of raid1, because if one pv goes the whole vg goes with it. YMMV. |
| 04:36.10 | karlpinc | eikenberry: Depends on how you feel about restoring backups, and downtime. |
| 04:36.53 | karlpinc | eikenberry: Lvm snapshots are nice to ensure consistent backups too. |
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| 04:43.12 | ScottG | man, vlc almost plays that mov file |
| 04:43.45 | karlpinc | ScottG: Try ffplay. That seems to play everything. |
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| 04:44.48 | megana | Hi debian. Do we have upstart in squeeze? |
| 04:44.58 | ScottG | karlpinc: segfaults |
| 04:45.03 | antivigilante | is anyone fixing glibc - it's doing BAD things |
| 04:45.05 | ScottG | vlc does play it, but the audio is garbled |
| 04:45.08 | antivigilante | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=638477 |
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| 04:46.19 | antivigilante | if not how do I record it sound as it sounds in my headphones? |
| 04:47.01 | antivigilante | i want to put this over that piece Silence by John Cage |
| 04:48.02 | nsadmin | silentium? |
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| 04:48.14 | nsadmin | interesting choice |
| 04:48.25 | megana | do we has upstart in debian? |
| 04:49.40 | nsadmin | megana, pretty sure they're working on it; not sure it's ready |
| 04:49.50 | megana | oh :( |
| 04:50.00 | megana | Thank you nsadmin |
| 04:50.22 | megana | do I have to use ubuntu if I want that? |
| 04:50.43 | nsadmin | it looks like it's available in squeeze |
| 04:50.49 | megana | oh ya? |
| 04:50.59 | nsadmin | apt-cache show upstart |
| 04:51.36 | Bop_ | why vlc isnt updated in testing ? site says 1.1.7 , squeeze is only 1.1.3 |
| 04:51.39 | nsadmin | , info upstart |
| 04:51.40 | judd | Package upstart (admin, extra) in squeeze/i386: event-based init daemon. Version: 0.6.6-1; Size: 256.6k; Installed: 632k; Homepage: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ |
| 04:54.02 | smacnay | Are all the xorg and gnome packages on hold going to get resolved in the near future? I am assuming there are some major upgrades in the works. |
| 04:55.04 | omes | what happens when you use rsync and a change has happened in the local copy of the file you're trying to sync? |
| 04:55.19 | antivigilante | nsadmin: a dumbass change to glibc saves 2 cycles and makes all flash based sites unusable except youtube. the audio has this weird video game sound effect all over it and it would be hilarious to get a recording of John Cage's piece with it |
| 04:55.28 | omes | will the local changes be discarded? |
| 04:56.11 | nsadmin | I thought debian forked glibc |
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| 04:57.22 | tharkun | nsadmin: afaik it uses some other lib that has the same functionality. but don't take my word for it |
| 04:57.43 | Arrowmaster | eglibc i think |
| 04:57.50 | Arrowmaster | and debian didnt fork it |
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| 04:59.14 | nsadmin | anyone using upstart yet? |
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| 04:59.33 | Arrowmaster | ive heard bad things about it on debian |
| 04:59.50 | nsadmin | of what nature? |
| 05:00.02 | Arrowmaster | that it wasnt anywhere near ready to be used |
| 05:00.16 | nsadmin | I kinda expected that |
| 05:00.25 | nsadmin | anything specific? |
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| 05:01.27 | nsadmin | I noticed some textual metadata they added to the scripts in /etc/init.d, does that have to do with upstart? |
| 05:01.28 | Arrowmaster | im trying to remember if it was upstart that still had some ubuntu specific stuff hardcoded into it or not |
| 05:01.40 | Arrowmaster | no that for insserv |
| 05:02.07 | nsadmin | , info insserv |
| 05:02.08 | judd | Package insserv (misc, optional) in squeeze/i386: Tool to organize boot sequence using LSB init.d script dependencies. Version: 1.14.0-2; Size: 68.4k; Installed: 292k; Homepage: http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/sysvinit |
| 05:02.24 | Arrowmaster | !insserv |
| 05:02.24 | dpkg | well, insserv is a dependency-based <init> system that is compatible with <sysvinit> and is the default from squeeze onwards. See also <upstart>. To use insserv, your init scripts need to have tags at the top of them that describe what they depend on to permit the correct ordering of the init scripts (see <missing lsb tags>). |
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| 05:03.44 | nsadmin | so it duplicates functionality with the sysvinit thing and with upstart |
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| 05:04.44 | Arrowmaster | i dont think there is anything at all similar between it and upstart |
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| 05:04.53 | rue_shop | what the hell happened to camserv? |
| 05:04.59 | rue_shop | there is NOTHING that replaces it |
| 05:05.04 | rue_shop | all the new junk requires X |
| 05:05.16 | rue_shop | I'm not putting freaking X on a machine just to stream webcam images |
| 05:05.19 | rue_shop | ARG |
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| 05:05.34 | rue_shop | does anyone know of a replacement for camserv? |
| 05:05.41 | nsadmin | !why is camserv not in testing |
| 05:05.41 | dpkg | camserv is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=camserv |
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| 05:07.08 | rue_shop | The package should be updated to follow the last version of Debian Policy (Standards-Version 3.9.1 instead of 3.7.3). |
| 05:07.17 | rue_shop | can anyone help me do that? |
| 05:07.24 | Arrowmaster | thats not the reason |
| 05:07.45 | rue_shop | ok, whats the reason |
| 05:08.25 | Arrowmaster | no clue, it seems it was removed a quite a while ago |
| 05:08.31 | rue_shop | I'm guessing this is something STUPID like a text file that needs to be updated |
| 05:08.36 | rue_shop | I dont care when it was removed |
| 05:08.44 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 05:08.53 | Arrowmaster | its probably because nobody was maintaining it |
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| 05:09.05 | rue_shop | ok make me the maintainer and add it back |
| 05:09.45 | Arrowmaster | youll have to talk to somebody else about that |
| 05:10.09 | rue_shop | wow, are you a polition? |
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| 05:10.18 | rue_shop | DETAILS who? |
| 05:10.57 | nsadmin | are you looking over the link dokg posted? |
| 05:10.58 | Arrowmaster | dont ask me |
| 05:11.09 | Arrowmaster | i dont know |
| 05:11.15 | nsadmin | looks like it never got into squeeze |
| 05:11.31 | rue_shop | nsadmin, yes, it SEEMS to say it was removed for not following debain policy |
| 05:11.41 | Arrowmaster | that is not the reason |
| 05:11.44 | rue_shop | which to me, means there is a text file in the package that needs updating |
| 05:11.46 | Arrowmaster | that i know |
| 05:11.47 | NyberMi1 | how "easy" is the debian partition editor to use? it wouldn't happen to be gparted would it? |
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| 05:12.04 | nsadmin | NyberMi1: you can use gparted |
| 05:12.09 | rue_shop | Arrowmaster but you fail to say WHAT the reason IS! |
| 05:12.15 | NyberMi1 | during install Nsadmin? |
| 05:12.24 | nsadmin | or fdisk, cfdisk, partman, etc etc |
| 05:12.32 | rue_shop | Arrowmaster file for becomming a politition, you would work great in a burracracy! |
| 05:12.47 | nsadmin | oh, I think it's partman |
| 05:13.10 | Arrowmaster | because i dont know what the reason was, but i know that part at the top of http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/camserv.html about policy is not the direct reason |
| 05:13.20 | nsadmin | rue_shop: doing research for you is work... you could pay him to do it |
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| 05:13.54 | WormFood | what was the command/package that would test the speeds of the different debian mirrors? |
| 05:14.08 | nsadmin | the only bugs I see are in ubuntu |
| 05:14.10 | Arrowmaster | apt-spy |
| 05:14.23 | WormFood | thanks Arrowmaster |
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| 05:14.50 | rue_shop | I'm just peeved off cause people keep dumping descent packages from the debian source trees |
| 05:15.06 | NyberMi1 | i'd love to have so much money that i could walk into a channel and hire someone to solve my problems for a monetary return |
| 05:15.33 | rue_shop | could we not make a debian-abandoned server for packages that nobody things anybody wants anymore |
| 05:15.45 | rue_shop | then atleat I could add that and still get my software |
| 05:15.54 | NyberMi1 | descent, the game? |
| 05:16.34 | nsadmin | NyberMi1 then take actions toward that goal |
| 05:16.57 | nsadmin | and make sure you work on whatever limiting beliefs you have around it |
| 05:17.35 | Arrowmaster | rue_shop: the problem is unmaintained packages need to be removed because they stop working without somebody maintaining them |
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| 05:18.13 | Arrowmaster | so even if there was some seperate server to put them on for you, they still probably wouldnt work when you installed them |
| 05:18.16 | WormFood | SERVER: ftp.us.debian.org | Benchmarking FTP... | Downloaded 5998548 bytes in 0.47 seconds | Download speed: 12574.29 kB/sec <-- not bad, I think I found my new mirror...only 5 hops away ;) |
| 05:18.30 | rue_shop | Arrowmaster I'll maintain it, point me to how |
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| 05:18.51 | rue_shop | I bet it works just fine |
| 05:19.07 | nsadmin | !nmg |
| 05:19.08 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 05:19.38 | nsadmin | I warn you, there is A LOT to learn there |
| 05:19.54 | nsadmin | you might want to just build the thing yourself |
| 05:19.55 | Arrowmaster | well you can try installing the one from lenny |
| 05:20.15 | nsadmin | or building its package and installing that |
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| 05:20.40 | nutron | I have two app servers, I intend on keeping their /home dirs synced via rsync or whatever other system. Is there a better network file system other than nfs? I'm feeling that nfs really doesn't work for my setup and introduces ... some sort of lag, I can't describe it really, but I've narrowed it down to io... so I'm assuming it may be nfs.. |
| 05:21.07 | nsadmin | , info libjpeg62 |
| 05:21.08 | judd | Package libjpeg62 (libs, optional) in squeeze/i386: The Independent JPEG Group's JPEG runtime library (version 6.2). Version: 6b1-1; Size: 85.9k; Installed: 204k |
| 05:22.12 | nsadmin | looks like the deps are present |
| 05:25.40 | NiveusLuna | I've got a couple problems here running Sid. The more pressing one is that sound isn't working. The other is that when I try to get new package lists, it 404s. |
| 05:26.06 | Arrowmaster | rue_shop: btw i did end up finding why it was removed http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=559800 |
| 05:26.06 | rue_shop | nsadmin if I have to compile all the software I want, why bother using debian? why not use slakware? |
| 05:26.17 | rue_shop | an answer! |
| 05:26.29 | stew | NiveusLuna: show us |
| 05:26.36 | Arrowmaster | somebody requested it be removed because 'dead upstream, security issue, not properly |
| 05:26.36 | Arrowmaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.36 | Arrowmaster | ' |
| 05:26.42 | Arrowmaster | gah |
| 05:27.11 | Arrowmaster | stupid copy/paste, and stupid client not showing me newlines in the editbox! |
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| 05:27.15 | stew | NiveusLuna: (use a pastebin) |
| 05:27.44 | rue_shop | "The package should be updated to follow the last version of Debian Policy (Standards-Version 3.9.1 instead of 3.7.3)." |
| 05:27.50 | rue_shop | gah |
| 05:27.51 | nutron | heh, grammur and shpellink |
| 05:27.55 | rue_shop | ctrl-c in windows |
| 05:27.58 | karlpinc | nutron: Benchmark with bonne++ |
| 05:28.02 | NiveusLuna | stew: http://paste.debian.net/108580/ |
| 05:28.09 | rue_shop | "I have not |
| 05:28.09 | rue_shop | had time to determine whether the vulnerable code is actually present |
| 05:28.23 | rue_shop | " <-- it was never actually determined that is was EVER a problem! |
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| 05:28.30 | karlpinc | nutron: But it could be network, because network can be slow. Try ttcp. |
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| 05:29.15 | nsadmin | rue_shop: debian does provide the compilers... hence giving you the freedom to do it. I'm curious... so you're upset because someone else decided to remove the package, and so you'd have to maintain your own copy? that's work too... of course, we haven't found the original reason for the removal |
| 05:29.26 | rue_shop | "tools like camstream look like a good replacement." <---- WRONG CAMSTREAM REQUIRES X |
| 05:29.56 | rue_shop | I'm pissed off cause packages are being pointlessly pulled from debian |
| 05:30.16 | rue_shop | this isn't the first time I'v had software be puleed that there is NO rempalcement for |
| 05:30.31 | nsadmin | which shifts the maint workload onto people who would build it themselves |
| 05:30.50 | Arrowmaster | by requires X you mean its a gui only tool? |
| 05:30.55 | rue_shop | ALL THE X SCREENSAVERS SHOULD BE PULLED BUT THEY HAVN'T BEEN |
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| 05:31.17 | rue_shop | yes! this is a headless, old machine I just need to stream webcam images! |
| 05:31.42 | rue_shop | it can do it just fine -- with camserv --- |
| 05:31.46 | nsadmin | so it looks like you have three choices... |
| 05:31.49 | nsadmin | you can... |
| 05:31.52 | nsadmin | be upset |
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| 05:31.55 | rue_shop | bitch and wine? |
| 05:32.16 | nsadmin | well it looks like you're making that choice now |
| 05:32.27 | rue_shop | I can keep re-releaseing camstream under different names till it gets taken down? |
| 05:33.15 | NiveusLuna | make your own repo? |
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| 05:33.51 | nsadmin | you can... build camserv yourself (and possibly make some noise on debian-devel@l.d.o), you can install x (or what, the client libs?) and be happy with something that works and is maintained |
| 05:34.02 | rue_shop | my own distro... |
| 05:34.19 | rue_shop | I cant isntall X unless your gonna buy me a machine to run it |
| 05:34.26 | nsadmin | people have started distros for less |
| 05:34.47 | rue_shop | I'm trying to compile it now |
| 05:34.51 | nsadmin | you probably just need the client libs |
| 05:34.57 | rue_shop | dependency hell is why I use debian in the first place |
| 05:35.05 | NiveusLuna | is your machine so old that you can't even run just X and a WM? |
| 05:35.24 | nsadmin | well it's headless so why run x |
| 05:35.26 | rue_shop | ld is segfaulting, better remove it from teh debian |
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| 05:35.42 | NiveusLuna | ah. |
| 05:35.44 | rue_shop | all the stupid new packages that replace it need X |
| 05:36.14 | nsadmin | need X what? server? client? |
| 05:36.44 | nsadmin | you do understand that x uses a client/server architecture? |
| 05:36.50 | rue_shop | yes |
| 05:36.59 | rue_shop | do you understand pointless overhead? |
| 05:37.14 | rue_shop | its a 500Mhz machine with 128M of ram |
| 05:37.59 | rue_shop | anyone know what libary libnsl is part of? |
| 05:38.01 | Arrowmaster | well if the apps can still be used from a cli without an x server, then the x client files will just be taking up harddrive space and nothing else |
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| 05:39.03 | amphi | rue_shop: libc |
| 05:39.05 | nsadmin | well... I've tried. I gave my opinions, listed your choices. now the choice is yours and I choose to go get a taco |
| 05:39.09 | stew | rue_shop: can you please rework the source so that it no longer embeds libtool and depneds on the libtool package itself, and start migrating it to the newer v4l? |
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| 05:40.07 | nsadmin | stew: is that part of why it was dropped, because it doesn't support newer v4l? |
| 05:40.40 | stew | nsadmin: because upstream is dead, it embeds libtool which has security problems, nobody is maintaining it in debian and because of v4l, yes |
| 05:41.24 | IanWizard | Hey guys, can anyone suggest a good replacement to gnome-power-manager? I'm trying to get as gnome-free as possible. |
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| 05:50.18 | rue_mohr | IanWizard, what features do you want? |
| 05:51.24 | NyberMi1 | rue_shop: My phone is more powerfull than that server :) |
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| 05:52.54 | nsadmin | so you could replace it with a phone... |
| 05:53.17 | IanWizard | rue_mohr: just managing what happens when the power/suspend/lid buttons do, and maybe suspend/hibernate delays. |
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| 05:54.08 | NyberMi1 | nsadmin: yes, with minimal effort seeing as my phone already runs linux, maemo to be exact |
| 05:54.19 | NyberMi1 | which is... debian i guess |
| 05:55.10 | NyberMi1 | i know i can run a full debian desktop on it |
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| 05:57.20 | nsadmin | bbl... |
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| 06:01.18 | jmullins | Hey guys, I really need the first cd from lenny and its missing from archive.debian.org and not on any mirrors |
| 06:01.28 | jmullins | any chance someone can put one up on the archive site ? |
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| 06:05.36 | mramige | It's on this site for all archs > http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.8/ |
| 06:06.05 | dondelelcaro | though you really shouldn't be using lenny for a new install |
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| 06:06.30 | jmullins | mramige: thankyou! dondelelcaro: Have to due to proprietry software |
| 06:06.55 | Arrowmaster | jmullins: it doesnt run on squeeze or they dont 'support' it on squeeze? |
| 06:07.40 | jmullins | Arrowmaster: Don't support it/dont run |
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| 06:14.16 | linuxfreaker | Hello Guys |
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| 06:17.20 | rue_mohr | I dont know why you need a gui for a program that managing what happens when the power/suspend/lid buttons do, and maybe suspend/hibernate delays. |
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| 06:19.21 | sako | hey guys so if i want to grab a package and build it from wheezy on my squeeze machine... i do an apt-get --build source nginx, although it seems i have to grab dependencies first before i can do this.. |
| 06:19.52 | sako | teh problem is nginx on squeeze is 0.7.x .. so if i do aptitude build-dep nginx, isn't that grabbing dependencies for 0.7.x? |
| 06:20.17 | sako | how do i be sure I am grabbing the correct dependencies? |
| 06:20.23 | stew | sako: not if you have a deb-src for wheezy |
| 06:20.30 | sako | oh i see |
| 06:20.45 | sako | stew: can i tell which nginx it's grabbing the build-dep from? |
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| 06:20.56 | stew | build-dep looks at the source package, its going to look for the newest source package it can find unless you tell it otherwise |
| 06:21.07 | sako | hmm ok makes sense.. |
| 06:21.07 | ice799 | Yo. I noticed that some packages that use debhelper but do not invoke dh_strip in debian/rules still have -dbg packages generated with symbol information. |
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| 06:21.29 | ice799 | Is that real? I mean, I'm trying to figure out the right way to separate out symbol information from my binaries because whatever I am doing now is not working. |
| 06:21.38 | sako | stew: also for some reason apt-get build-dep and aptitude build-dep give different amount of packages! |
| 06:21.57 | ice799 | Right now I am doing dh_strip --dbg-package, and when I try to use those symbols i get meaningless backtraces. |
| 06:22.05 | sako | stew: theres some issue i guess with liblua-dev, apt-get finds it however aptitude skips it... is this normal? |
| 06:22.33 | ice799 | The example package I am looking at that uses debhelper but does not invoke dh_strip is libruby1.8 and the associated libruby1.8-dbg |
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| 06:23.45 | stew | judd: versions liblua-dev |
| 06:23.46 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'liblua-dev' was found in i386. |
| 06:24.10 | stew | sako: wrong package name? |
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| 06:24.56 | sako | liblua5.1-0-dev |
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| 06:25.28 | sako | judd versions liblua |
| 06:25.31 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'liblua' was found in i386. |
| 06:25.38 | sako | judd versions liblua5.1-0-dev |
| 06:25.38 | judd | Package liblua5.1-0-dev on i386 -- lenny: 5.1.3-1; sid: 5.1.4-5; squeeze: 5.1.4-5; wheezy: 5.1.4-5 |
| 06:25.44 | stew | judd: build-dep nginx --release wheezy |
| 06:25.45 | judd | Package nginx -- Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7), autotools-dev, libgd2-noxpm-dev, libgeoip-dev, liblua5.1-dev, libssl-dev, libpcre3-dev, libperl-dev, libxslt1-dev, zlib1g-dev. |
| 06:25.55 | sako | aha |
| 06:25.59 | stew | doesn't seem to build-dep on liblua5.1-0-dev |
| 06:26.12 | sako | yea exactly it has liblua5.1-dev |
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| 06:26.32 | sako | judd versions liblua5.1-dev |
| 06:26.33 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'liblua5.1-dev' was found in i386. |
| 06:26.45 | sako | wierd :/ |
| 06:26.58 | stew | judd: provides liblua5.1-dev --release wheezy |
| 06:26.59 | judd | Cannot find the package liblua5.1-dev in wheezy/i386. |
| 06:27.09 | stew | judd: provides liblua5.1-0-dev --release wheezy |
| 06:27.10 | judd | Package liblua5.1-0-dev in wheezy/i386 provides: liblua5.1-dev. |
| 06:27.29 | sako | stew: so.. apt-get uses liblua5.1-0-dev where aptitude just ignores it altogether |
| 06:27.46 | sako | apt-get is smarter in this situation i guess/// |
| 06:27.52 | stew | sako: liblua5.1-0-dev is not installed already? |
| 06:27.57 | sako | let me see |
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| 06:28.17 | sako | nope |
| 06:28.28 | stew | i get "Unable to satisfy the build-depends: Build-Depends: liblua5.1-dev. |
| 06:28.45 | sako | stew: hmm ya wierd.. |
| 06:29.04 | sako | stew: is that a typo or something? liblua5.1-0-dev vs liblua5.1-dev? |
| 06:29.24 | stew | sako: no, liblua5.1-dev is a vitual package provided by liblua5.1-0-dev |
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| 06:29.51 | sako | virtual packagte? |
| 06:29.57 | mmnicolas | I recently discovered the wonders of avahi after spending a night fiddling with bind9 to have some sort of name resolution within my home network without using winbind, but how can I get rid of that .local suffix, mdns doesnt seem to care if I set "search local" in resolv.conf |
| 06:29.59 | stew | !dbugs 509100 |
| 06:30.04 | dpkg | #509100:N[aptitude] aptitude: build-dep fails when a virtual package is needed (); Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:27:02 UTC [512034 555043 569568] |
| 06:30.15 | sako | interesting :) |
| 06:30.16 | stew | !virtual package |
| 06:30.16 | dpkg | methinks virtual package is a package that doesn't really exist but represents a function which several real packages fulfill, which appears in the Provides control file field of another package. The effect is as if the package(s) which provide a particular virtual package name had been listed by name everywhere the virtual package name appears. To find which package(s) provide a foo virtual package, use "apt-cache showpkg foo" or "/msg judd ... |
| 06:30.41 | sako | sooooooo... just use apt-get build-dep in this case right ? :) |
| 06:30.45 | stew | yes |
| 06:31.09 | sako | and stew as you were saying last night.. i shouldnt have any problems using both apt-get and aptitude |
| 06:31.22 | sako | same db different clients |
| 06:32.01 | stew | dpkg: virtual packages =~ s/apt-cache showpkg foo/aptitude search '~Ppackagename'/ |
| 06:32.01 | dpkg | stew: i didn't have anything called 'virtual packages' to modify |
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| 06:32.08 | stew | dpkg: virtual package =~ s/apt-cache showpkg foo/aptitude search '~Ppackagename'/ |
| 06:32.08 | dpkg | OK, stew |
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| 06:33.56 | stew | sako: yes, in general this is true. you have, however found a bug in aptitude. its not the non-existant situation others were warning you about where apt-get does things behind aptitudes back thus confusing aptitude |
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| 06:35.11 | sako | stew: thanks alot for making sense out of all this :) |
| 06:35.20 | sako | stew: feels a lot better knowing what the heck is going on |
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| 06:36.25 | stew | build-dep is rather new in aptitude, i'm not totally suprised if it is not completely robust yet |
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| 06:37.01 | sako | good to avoid it for now and just use apt-get in those situations? |
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| 06:37.26 | ball | Does Debian have a specific "server version"? |
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| 06:37.35 | sako | ball: what? |
| 06:37.46 | stew | ball: no |
| 06:38.13 | sako | oh like debian-server? hah no... debian is already pretty bare to begin with.. |
| 06:38.21 | sako | doesn't require a stripped down version |
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| 06:39.41 | stew | ball: the same installer will allow you to install "desktop" oriented packages or "webserver" oriented packages or just leave you with a minimal install and let you pick what else is installed |
| 06:39.45 | adfa | i have the same image on both monitors. I have researched the problem extensively and cannot fix this bug. on stupid fedora |
| 06:39.48 | stew | (or all of the above) |
| 06:40.07 | stew | adfa: you are having problems with fedora or debian? |
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| 06:40.42 | ball | stew: thanks. |
| 06:41.03 | adfa | fedora |
| 06:41.04 | ball | This may sound a silly question, but does Debian use a graphical grub or splash screen? |
| 06:41.07 | adfa | those guys are useless |
| 06:41.12 | stew | adfa: please go to #fedora for help with fedora |
| 06:41.19 | stew | adfa: or try ##linux |
| 06:41.19 | adfa | no dude |
| 06:41.21 | stew | not here |
| 06:41.21 | adfa | i went there |
| 06:41.23 | adfa | no one reply |
| 06:41.37 | stew | adfa: sorry, this channel is for debian end-user support only |
| 06:41.51 | sako | haha no dude i went there |
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| 06:43.20 | stew | ball: no splash screen by default, but there are multiple options for adding one. the latest uses grub2 which could be graphical, i'm not sure if it is or not by default |
| 06:43.47 | ball | stew: I don't want one. I specifically want not to have one. |
| 06:45.31 | sako | ball: then you've come to the right place :) |
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| 06:47.36 | ball | I recently tried a "server" Linux that had graphical grub, splash screen etc. Machine I tried it on hated that and I was repulsed anyway because I fealt it was a silly thing to put in a server OS> |
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| 06:48.56 | ball | s/repulsed/revulsed/ |
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| 06:49.14 | ball | it's 00:48 here and I'm tired. |
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| 06:51.08 | problem67 | hello |
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| 06:53.16 | problem67 | i installed debian squeeze, had an existing win7 installation, made existing partition 50% smaller and installed debian... now when i boot there is only Reboot and select proper Boot device. any help please |
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| 07:00.18 | macrobat | problem67: you get a grub menu? a grub prompt? |
| 07:01.00 | problem67 | no . i boottet from squeeze install dvd, i could get in shell |
| 07:01.14 | Dewi | problem67: do you have one hard disk, or more? |
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| 07:01.30 | problem67 | more, 1 hdd ide, two sata2 hdds |
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| 07:02.36 | problem67 | maybe there could be the problem |
| 07:02.44 | problem67 | with those diff hdds |
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| 07:05.03 | marius | a |
| 07:05.33 | zamba | i've upgraded a set of boxes to debian squeeze.. none of which seems to survive a reboot.. what's up with that? |
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| 07:07.16 | problem67 | Dewi, macrobat where r u? |
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| 07:07.42 | macrobat | do you use labels or uuids for your partitions? grub-legacy or pc-grub? |
| 07:07.58 | zamba | macrobat: was that for me? |
| 07:08.04 | Dewi | zamba: did you follow the instructions? |
| 07:08.14 | macrobat | zamba: for problem67: |
| 07:08.19 | zamba | Dewi: which instructions? |
| 07:08.28 | Dewi | zamba: upgrade instructions for the release |
| 07:08.34 | ericpersson | how come kdeinit and kdeinit4 is running even though I'm using gnome on squeeze? |
| 07:09.07 | macrobat | ericpersson: how do you start gnome? |
| 07:09.37 | ericpersson | macrobat: hmm.. via gdm? |
| 07:09.46 | Dewi | zamba: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 07:10.14 | ericpersson | macrobat: the gnome-session stuff runs under gdm3.. |
| 07:10.41 | Dewi | problem67: sometimes your BIOS and operating systems have a different disk order |
| 07:11.32 | Dewi | problem67: I am surprised you don't have either boot loader though, are you sure you didn't change the physical order of the disks? |
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| 07:12.31 | macrobat | order of disks can change spontaneously, order shouldn't be relied on |
| 07:12.55 | ball | gives up and goes to bed |
| 07:12.59 | problem67 | Dewi: only changed from dvd boot to first hdd after install |
| 07:13.24 | ericpersson | ***ball: sometimes that help.. :) |
| 07:13.28 | Dewi | macrobat: order has to be relied upon for bootloader |
| 07:13.47 | zamba | Dewi: what are the usual problems when rebooting into a newly installed debian squeeze? |
| 07:14.02 | macrobat | ericpersson: idk, see what the parents of kdeinit and kdeinit4 are with pstree |
| 07:14.20 | Dewi | macrobat: I guess you could install the boot-loader on every single disk... |
| 07:14.35 | Dewi | (but I've never seen anyone do that) |
| 07:14.53 | ericpersson | macrobat: they are at the top, below init |
| 07:15.00 | macrobat | i don't think there are things as "usual problems" |
| 07:15.16 | Dewi | zamba: if they were usual they'd be fixed |
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| 07:15.44 | Dewi | zamba: but the guide does outline some of the ways it can go wrong |
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| 07:17.22 | zamba | Dewi: but booting a previous kernel will work.. or are these changes in the filesystem enough to potentially break things "permanently" for non-tech savvy users? |
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| 07:18.27 | ericpersson | macrobat: will try to just uninstall kde-stuff.. :) |
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| 07:19.07 | Dewi | zamba: kernel swapping tends to work okay, but there are limits, like when large changes happen in udev for example |
| 07:19.35 | problem67 | thx for help bbl |
| 07:19.58 | Dewi | zamba: sometimes you have to be careful about the order in which changes go in |
| 07:20.07 | zamba | Dewi: i have no idea what that means :) |
| 07:20.41 | zamba | all i know is that four machines refuses to boot due to an upgrade to debian squeeze |
| 07:20.46 | zamba | refuse* |
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| 07:21.21 | Dewi | zamba: upgrade is a complex topic |
| 07:21.30 | Dewi | zamba: why can't they boot? |
| 07:21.53 | Dewi | zamba: you probably should have tested your change before rolling it out to 4 machines... |
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| 07:21.58 | zamba | Dewi: one of them complains about "/bin/sh: can't access tty : job control turned off" |
| 07:22.02 | zamba | and stops there |
| 07:22.04 | karlpinc | zamba: Did you follow the upgrade instructions in the release notes? |
| 07:22.06 | jelly-home | zamba: after the first reboot |
| 07:22.08 | jelly-home | ? |
| 07:22.17 | zamba | jelly-home: hm? |
| 07:22.23 | zamba | karlpinc: yeah, i believe i did |
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| 07:23.00 | GnuSense | I want to change the way a flash drive in auto-mounted in Lenny (to use utf8 for vfat to iron out problems with rsync). Does Lenny use udev or hal to automount? |
| 07:23.05 | zamba | karlpinc: but there has been some days since i upgraded.. i did it remotely.. and i was going to wait to reboot them until i was at site the next time.. but now my hand has been forced, due to a massive power failure.. so all boxes have been rebooted :p |
| 07:23.13 | jelly-home | zamba: did you upgrade kernel and udev first? This sounds as if a) udev is not running and b) there's no /dev/console in the static /dev |
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| 07:23.25 | zamba | jelly-home: and what are the fixes for that? |
| 07:23.43 | zamba | jelly-home: and please don't say recovery cd, because then i'm b0rked :p |
| 07:23.47 | karlpinc | GnuSense: udev, if you use the usbmount package anyway. |
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| 07:24.02 | Dewi | zamba: are you running a physical machine or a VM? |
| 07:24.10 | zamba | Dewi: oh, i wish the latter |
| 07:24.13 | jelly-home | zamba: any livecd or liveusb will do instead |
| 07:24.14 | GnuSense | Thanks karlpinc, that's what I'll look at. |
| 07:24.17 | zamba | Dewi: but no, it's a physical cd |
| 07:24.25 | zamba | jelly-home: i was fearing that |
| 07:24.39 | zamba | argh |
| 07:24.50 | zamba | this is bad |
| 07:25.08 | Dewi | zamba: you can't burn a CD or populate a usb key? |
| 07:25.21 | zamba | Dewi: i can, but i'm not close to the machines |
| 07:25.25 | jelly-home | the whole kernel/udev thing is unfortunate, but reasonably well documented |
| 07:25.36 | zamba | jelly-home: it's VERY unfortunate, and badly documented |
| 07:25.58 | zamba | jelly-home: i tried to figure out that same stuff when i was doing the upgrade, but gave up trying to understand what it really meant |
| 07:26.09 | karlpinc | zamba: It was clear to me. It's even got a whole section of it's own with details. |
| 07:26.13 | jelly-home | what do you want it to say, "if you don't reboot when we tell you to, things will go real bad?" |
| 07:26.16 | Dewi | zamba: upgrade the kernel and udev before the rest isn't complicated |
| 07:26.51 | zamba | i did that |
| 07:27.04 | zamba | but i didn't reboot after doing that |
| 07:27.11 | jelly-home | so yeah |
| 07:27.14 | zamba | *sigh* |
| 07:27.24 | karlpinc | What's the recommended tool for partitioning? Should I make a gpt label? |
| 07:27.26 | Dewi | zamba: why not? |
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| 07:27.41 | zamba | Dewi: production machines and i wanted to wait with rebooting until i was physically on site |
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| 07:27.59 | zamba | Dewi: in hindsight, pretty stupid :p |
| 07:28.25 | zamba | Dewi: even though the power has been rock-stable at the site for, well, several years |
| 07:28.45 | zamba | but that was before murphy had his say |
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| 07:29.41 | Dewi | zamba: I suggest not rolling out many production upgrades at once, and testing first in a VM |
| 07:30.11 | Dewi | zamba: anyway I'm not sure how to proceed. Googling the error message comes up with a bunch of stuff tho... |
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| 07:31.04 | Dewi | and unrebooted upgrades are generally a bad idea, because you're in a mixed and uncertain environment |
| 07:31.09 | Dewi | the disk and RAM don't match... |
| 07:31.34 | zamba | well, i've always had this fear of rebooting :p |
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| 07:31.53 | zamba | especially since most of my servers are running on remote locations |
| 07:31.55 | Dewi | zamba: you should fear having 1 kernel on disk and a different kernel in RAM :) |
| 07:32.01 | jelly-home | that message just means an interactive shell can't find its tty. It is not sure which shell (initramfs? fsck/mount time shell?) it is or what the exact reason might be |
| 07:32.11 | nsadmin | whoever said murphy was a he? :) |
| 07:32.21 | zamba | nsadmin: hehe, it's probably a she |
| 07:32.34 | jelly-home | nsadmin: does it matter |
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| 07:33.06 | nsadmin | every bit as much as whether it matters! |
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| 07:33.28 | jelly-home | zamba: it's possible that your machine merely tried to boot the old kernel(s) |
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| 07:33.49 | zamba | jelly-home: why would it do that? |
| 07:34.01 | Dewi | zamba: if grub didn't run for some reason |
| 07:34.05 | jelly-home | zamba: because something didn't do the update-grub dance? |
| 07:34.21 | jelly-home | zamba: because you have hardcoded which kernel to boot? |
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| 07:34.26 | jelly-home | any number of reasons |
| 07:34.29 | Dewi | I mean update-grub rather than grub the bootloader, obv. |
| 07:34.31 | buntunub | whats the command to find out which alsa version your system is using |
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| 07:34.54 | zamba | i believe some of these machines are running lilo, actually |
| 07:35.04 | Dewi | zamba: good lord |
| 07:35.08 | zamba | Dewi: yeah, i know |
| 07:35.19 | zamba | but upgrading from lilo to grub didn't prove trivial |
| 07:35.29 | Dewi | zamba: were you upgrading from lenny or potato? |
| 07:35.32 | jelly-home | nothing wrong with lilo if you're aware of its features and shortcomings |
| 07:35.34 | zamba | Dewi: lenny |
| 07:35.49 | buntunub | ahh found it - cat /proc/asound/version |
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| 07:36.24 | jelly-home | !win buntunub |
| 07:36.24 | dpkg | Congratulations, buntunub! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 07:36.42 | jelly-home | not much of a win |
| 07:36.55 | Dewi | laughs. |
| 07:36.56 | weltall | lol |
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| 07:39.54 | zamba | ok, one more booted |
| 07:39.58 | zamba | so only two left |
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| 07:44.05 | muhoo | i'm having a terrible time trying to get usb networking between android g1 2.2.1 and debian lenny |
| 07:44.23 | muhoo | adb works fine. but no tethering. there is no device rndis0 or usb0 on the debian box |
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| 07:44.43 | muhoo | but cdc_ether and rndis_host are both modprobed on the lenny box |
| 07:45.05 | muhoo | and, usb0 interface appears to be up on the g1, or so says /proc/net/dev on it |
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| 07:47.45 | davidisko | anyone using pvfs? |
| 07:48.03 | karlpinc | !tell davidisko about anyone |
| 07:48.18 | NyberMi1 | whats the best way to destroy data on a hard drive? strong magnet? |
| 07:48.29 | karlpinc | NyberMi1: Electric drill. |
| 07:48.38 | NyberMi1 | no external damage preferred |
| 07:48.58 | karlpinc | NyberMi1: You want to use the drive again? |
| 07:49.13 | NyberMi1 | my cpu fan sounds like a buzzaw at the moment and theres no way in hell im sending this hard-drive to the company service facilities :P |
| 07:49.28 | NyberMi1 | incase the computer dies that is |
| 07:49.39 | raz0 | Then take it out? |
| 07:49.40 | rww | DBAN |
| 07:49.59 | karlpinc | NyberMi1: Boot from cd/etc and dd it with zeros. That's pretty good enough. |
| 07:50.17 | raz0 | nods |
| 07:50.38 | NyberMi1 | ok :) |
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| 07:56.18 | muhoo | my god, ndis is an abortion |
| 07:56.50 | davidisko | does anyone use pvfs? |
| 07:56.53 | calligaris | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:56.53 | calligaris | me out or point a way to fix that. |
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| 08:03.03 | NyberMi1 | missing a proper gfx driver? |
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| 08:05.08 | calligaris | NyberMi1, how do I check that? |
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| 08:06.52 | NyberMi1 | unsure really, i generally try to avoid ati |
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| 08:08.49 | calligaris | I run a dmesg | grep drm and I get that -> http://pastebin.com/4hEh8hCz |
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| 08:17.42 | pettter | There seems to be a problem installing testing-amd64 into a virtualbox, using the netinst iso |
| 08:18.49 | cast | oh, what kind of problem? |
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| 08:18.51 | pettter | I get stuck at installing the base system, with an invalid Release file |
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| 08:19.43 | pettter | "No entry for main/binary-amd64/Packages" |
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| 08:19.59 | pettter | is it anything I can fix from the shell? |
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| 08:20.48 | Zaca12 | Hi there, I've got a mail server which is heavily uploading mail (imap port 993) although I can't seem to establish where exactly this mail is coming from, i.e. which box on my network is sending this mail. how would i be able to identify which computer (IP) on our network is uploading such heavy amounts on data through our mail server? Port 993 |
| 08:21.02 | cast | well, you can install debian from the shell...ergo yes, but i imagine thats not what you mean |
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| 08:21.26 | cast | given its virtualbox, have you considered grabbing a debian-live image? or creating your own? |
| 08:21.45 | cast | if you did want persistance, you could do your debootstrap install from in there :) |
| 08:22.03 | pettter | cast: heh, sounds like a bit of a roundabout way of doing it, though |
| 08:22.14 | cast | depends on the VM use, |
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| 08:22.44 | pettter | I think I'll just go back and install stable instead :) |
| 08:23.11 | cast | you could debootstrap install from outside the VM, too, though i'm not sure how you'd sort out the bootloader |
| 08:23.17 | pettter | yeah, true enough, it's a dev box though |
| 08:23.39 | jmarsden | Zaca12: use netstat or any similar tool on the server to see what connections are currently established to its TCP port 993. So netstat -nt | grep :993 might help |
| 08:23.40 | cast | whats the dev box for? |
| 08:24.03 | cast | virtualbox's full virtualization maybe overkill, |
| 08:24.42 | cast | i do grant that when it works it is generally easy to use though :) |
| 08:24.42 | pettter | it probably is, but it's a QAD solution anyway |
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| 08:25.04 | cast | xen/uml/vserver which i frequently use are a bit more complex, though they |
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| 08:34.33 | dserban | Can I talk? |
| 08:34.43 | cast | i'm not sure, what would you talk about? |
| 08:34.49 | dserban | nvm, that was a test I didn't think would work heh. |
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| 08:35.15 | zamba | basically hello world? |
| 08:35.29 | cast | fudge, i forgot my work books |
| 08:35.32 | dserban | I'm having trouble navigating bugs.debian.org with elinks.. can anyone tell me if nvidia-glx is just broken or is there a larger change going on with the driver? |
| 08:35.49 | dserban | Oh .. sid |
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| 08:36.17 | dserban | And yeah, I expect brokeness oooo... rough |
| 08:36.17 | cast | there is a querybts command |
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| 08:36.22 | dserban | cast: on here? |
| 08:36.28 | cast | but if you're using sid, you know that already :) |
| 08:36.32 | cast | so i'll be quiet now. |
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| 08:36.35 | dserban | nah didn't know that |
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| 08:37.06 | cast | oh how those sid users jest |
| 08:37.40 | dserban | :P |
| 08:38.00 | dserban | why bother w/console when I've got google? :P |
| 08:38.33 | raz0 | why bother irssi when you've got Facebook? :P |
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| 08:39.04 | cast | why bother with irc when you've got google?! |
| 08:39.25 | dserban | cast: hah, touche! |
| 08:39.32 | dserban | I like irc, because you're here. |
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| 08:40.32 | zamba | i need to create a recovery usb for debian.. how do id o that? |
| 08:40.49 | cast | given the unlikelyhood that you are either of the opposite gender or someone i can learn from, i am less than overly happy at your liking for irc |
| 08:40.55 | zamba | under the section "Tiny CDs, USB sticks, etc." in "getting debian" there's links do different architectures |
| 08:41.06 | zamba | but no instructions on how to create the bootable usb |
| 08:41.09 | cast | zamba: i'd check out the debian-live project, they have nice usbs |
| 08:41.10 | zamba | or an iso or whatever |
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| 08:41.35 | zamba | cast: ah |
| 08:41.39 | zamba | cast: like: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/usb-hdd/ ? |
| 08:42.02 | cast | indeed |
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| 08:42.21 | cast | if debian-live-6.0.0-i386-rescue.img.packages lists what you want, seems a good start |
| 08:43.04 | zamba | that should be enough to rescue a system, shouldn't it? |
| 08:43.08 | cast | if you want to use the installer isos, you'll find that you can just dd the iso straight to the usb drive with squeeze, and it should just boot |
| 08:43.41 | cast | likely, and you can still aptitude install things |
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| 08:43.57 | zamba | what about network? |
| 08:44.16 | dserban | cast: thanks for the pointer to querybts, and thanks for making #debian feel like it used to. I missed being berated :) |
| 08:44.22 | Zaca12 | jmarsden: thank you, there's quite a few IPs connected to our mail server on our network using the mail server is there any way that I can narrow down the one with heavy upload? |
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| 08:44.54 | cast | dserban: hey, gotta make helping people fun somehow! :) |
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| 08:45.13 | jmarsden | Zaca12: You can try using something like jnettop to see throughput on each connection. |
| 08:45.28 | cast | zamba: you can bring the network up under debian-live just as you would for the system you're rescuing |
| 08:46.27 | zamba | cast: ok |
| 08:46.30 | cast | zamba: i'm not sure how your network is setup, but if your switches have all the annoying security settings enabled using the same ip/gateway as the broken system may be the easiest way |
| 08:47.06 | zamba | the only unknown is wheather the system supports booting off an usb |
| 08:47.44 | cast | mmm, i'd feel ripped off if it was less than 2 years old and didn't |
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| 08:48.31 | zamba | well, it's much older than that :) |
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| 08:49.29 | cast | wonders if adaptors exist for plugging USB mass storage into PATA controllers |
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| 08:56.32 | zamba | what is the common error messages after doing an (unsuccessful) upgrade to squeeze? |
| 08:56.39 | cast | this is not #ubuntu |
| 08:56.43 | zamba | :D |
| 08:56.45 | cast | smiles |
| 08:57.14 | zamba | could "/bin/sh: can't access tty : job control turned off (initramfs)" be one of them? |
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| 08:58.14 | dondelelcaro | zamba: no, that indicates that you've had a failure to boot for some reason |
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| 08:58.26 | dondelelcaro | (or really, to complete booting) |
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| 08:58.36 | dondelelcaro | there should be another error message above that |
| 08:58.38 | stockholm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:58.49 | zamba | dondelelcaro: ok, i will look.. but i'm debugging this by proxy :p |
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| 09:01.32 | ericpersson | is there some nifty tool to detect the current network and change default printer based on that? |
| 09:03.18 | zamba | ericpersson: maybe something based on the mac address of the default gw.. ? |
| 09:03.23 | zamba | ericpersson: i'm just thinking out loud now |
| 09:03.52 | ericpersson | zamba: thats what i though as well, but feels like there should be something for it.. |
| 09:04.02 | ericpersson | zamba: would be pretty sweet.. |
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| 09:18.57 | zamba | doing a fdisk -l on the device lists it as linux, not raid autodetect, which it should be |
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| 09:40.22 | SPF | cast: something like this? http://www.dealextreme.com/p/sdhc-sd-card-to-sata-solid-state-hard-drive-22597 |
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| 09:45.16 | cast | exactly like that |
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| 09:48.19 | albech | which repo do i find swftools? |
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| 09:54.40 | strtrcks | I need help in shorewall. grc ShieldsUP says; "Solicited TCP Packets: RECEIVED" |
| 09:55.09 | cast | oh. my. god. |
| 09:55.14 | strtrcks | yes |
| 09:55.16 | cast | you better get off the internet NOW |
| 09:55.29 | strtrcks | meh? wai? |
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| 09:55.46 | cast | before someone hacks your gibson |
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| 09:56.54 | strtrcks | ports are closed, but they answers |
| 09:57.01 | cast | as they should |
| 09:57.25 | cast | i'm not seeing the problem |
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| 09:57.42 | strtrcks | i think shorewall isnt so complicated, but i cant make the ports "stealth" |
| 09:58.27 | cast | is grc scanning your computer or your router/gateway |
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| 10:00.10 | strtrcks | nmap says; Not shown: 998 closed ports |
| 10:00.11 | strtrcks | PORT STATE SERVICE |
| 10:00.11 | strtrcks | 22/tcp open ssh |
| 10:00.11 | strtrcks | 111/tcp open rpcbind |
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| 10:01.06 | cast | cool. |
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| 10:01.27 | albech | anyone that can give a hint on getting swftools installed on lenny? |
| 10:01.38 | strtrcks | grc told, ssh is closed |
| 10:01.45 | cast | ah, hint 1: upgrade :) |
| 10:01.46 | strtrcks | so afsum, man |
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| 10:02.28 | cast | strtrcks: reading the nmap documentation and about IP/TCP/UDP/ICMP is time well spent, when worrying about such things |
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| 10:03.44 | strtrcks | but why cant shorewall just silently drops everything? |
| 10:03.54 | cast | it can |
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| 10:04.07 | albech | strtrcks, remove INFO from the policy |
| 10:04.23 | albech | strtrcks, i believe its in policy |
| 10:04.32 | cast | though that makes your firewall so restrictive you might as well in most cases unplug your ethernet :) |
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| 10:05.34 | strtrcks | why? |
| 10:06.44 | strtrcks | removing info from the policy doesnt makes nothing with this |
| 10:06.56 | cast | we can tell you in about 6 iptables line how to silently drop everything, |
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| 10:07.17 | cast | erm, 4 lines! |
| 10:07.21 | zamba | when booting up, i get the following error: |
| 10:07.45 | zamba | http://pastebin.com/XF4ayDfG |
| 10:07.50 | zamba | more or less (paraphrased) |
| 10:07.55 | zamba | what can i do about it? |
| 10:08.10 | zamba | this has happened after an upgrade from lenny to squeeze |
| 10:08.23 | strtrcks | cast, shorewall should do this |
| 10:08.32 | strtrcks | help me with the iptables config |
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| 10:08.46 | dondelelcaro | zamba: for whatever reason, /dev/hda3 does not exist. Most likely, it is now /dev/sda3 or similar. |
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| 10:09.02 | dondelelcaro | zamba: presumably, you ignored the warning which told you to transition to UUID based boot arguments, or similar |
| 10:09.05 | strtrcks | shorewall have to do the dropping |
| 10:09.32 | dondelelcaro | zamba: so, check to see what /proc/devices says, and look at the kernel boot output, and change the root argument appropriately |
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| 10:09.54 | dondelelcaro | zamba: "ALERT! /dev/hda3 does not exist Dropping to shell!" <-- this is the actual error, BTW. |
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| 10:15.14 | zamba | dondelelcaro: how can i do that? |
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| 10:17.03 | zamba | dondelelcaro: can i do that in the boot-up? |
| 10:17.13 | zamba | dondelelcaro: like modifying the boot arguments? |
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| 10:19.08 | zamba | dondelelcaro: and how can i check what /proc/devices says when i'm unable to boot? |
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| 10:22.26 | zamba | can i modify the boot arguments and just add root=/dev/sda2 ..? |
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| 10:23.00 | fbs | yeah |
| 10:23.02 | fbs | in grub.cfg |
| 10:23.12 | zamba | well.. the system doesn't boot :) |
| 10:23.20 | fbs | livecd? |
| 10:23.25 | zamba | no cd-rom |
| 10:23.30 | fbs | liveusb |
| 10:23.35 | zamba | too old machine |
| 10:23.40 | fbs | livefloppy |
| 10:23.44 | zamba | no floppy |
| 10:23.45 | fbs | :P |
| 10:23.52 | zamba | can't i modify the boot arguments "live"? |
| 10:23.57 | fbs | yeah |
| 10:24.00 | fbs | in the grub menu |
| 10:24.02 | fbs | hit e or smth |
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| 10:25.59 | fbs | or maybe you could do a network livecd boot |
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| 10:27.25 | zamba | no cd-rom, as i said :) |
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| 10:30.34 | amelin | hi there, i just edited /etc/apt/source.lst, the ap-get update tells everything is finde, but an upgrade just do nothing, i switched the source.lst from lenny to squeeze, any hint? |
| 10:30.37 | strtrcks | k, then again; I need help in shorewall. grc ShieldsUP says; "Solicited TCP Packets: RECEIVED" |
| 10:30.58 | strtrcks | nmap tells, ports are closed |
| 10:31.13 | strtrcks | but i want stealth ports |
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| 10:32.40 | SPF | zamba: you could start the system using pxe boot, if it has a network card |
| 10:33.03 | hsn | anybody has experience with 3ware tw_cli utility? I need to know if running verify command will sync data on RAID-1 volume |
| 10:33.14 | cast | strtrcks: nothings broken. |
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| 10:33.37 | cast | hsn: you should refer to your 3ware documentation and support |
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| 10:34.17 | hsn | cast: i read their pdf documentation, but its unclear what verify really does |
| 10:34.31 | cast | then contact their support |
| 10:34.45 | cast | we can help you with LVM and mdadm mirroring, heh |
| 10:35.40 | zamba | SPF: i have no infrastructure to create that |
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| 10:35.56 | zamba | SPF: since the machine i'm trying to boot is the dhcp and everything |
| 10:35.59 | hsn | i wish i could use ZFS, it hase superb mirroring bult-in |
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| 10:36.44 | Agiofws | someone has google-chrome-bet installed on squeeze ? the letters in the address box are not showing up |
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| 10:36.57 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/139458 |
| 10:37.17 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/139459 |
| 10:37.23 | Agiofws | ^^ |
| 10:37.26 | zamba | ALERT! /dev/LARGEUUID does not exist Dropping to shell! |
| 10:37.28 | zamba | is what i got |
| 10:37.32 | zamba | how do i fix that? |
| 10:37.37 | strtrcks | think, thats a feature :DF |
| 10:37.40 | strtrcks | -F |
| 10:37.46 | Agiofws | maybe some kind of kernel module |
| 10:37.47 | Agiofws | ? |
| 10:38.13 | zamba | so not /dev/sda2 or /dev/hda2 or whatever.. but /dev/UUID |
| 10:38.19 | zamba | <UUID>, rather |
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| 10:41.26 | SPF | zamba: during boot you can edit the boot parameters. You can remove root=UUID=<string< and replace it with root=/dev/hda2 or whatever |
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| 10:43.11 | zamba | SPF: oh, ok |
| 10:43.14 | zamba | i'll try that, then |
| 10:43.33 | mah454 | how i can send file.gz with mail command ? |
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| 10:45.01 | SPF | zamba: later on, when you are able to boot your system, you can update your grub config. Always make sure to keep a backup of this configuration file for future reference |
| 10:45.19 | zamba | this is a nightmare |
| 10:45.35 | zamba | i'm several houndred miles away from the machine :) |
| 10:45.47 | zamba | so i'm instructing a random windows-user how to do this over the telephone |
| 10:46.00 | cast | good luck with that :P |
| 10:46.06 | zamba | "thanks" :) |
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| 10:51.06 | SPF | zamba: maybe you can ask him to share his desktop? |
| 10:53.11 | strtrcks | #shorewall |
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| 10:53.14 | zamba | SPF: hm? |
| 10:53.21 | zamba | SPF: how should that work? :) |
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| 10:54.49 | mah454 | How i can attach file with mail command ? |
| 10:55.23 | petemc | mah454: you would have to encode it, use mutt instead |
| 10:55.59 | mah454 | i use mail command in bash script |
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| 10:56.37 | petemc | if you insist on doing it the hard way, look at uuencode |
| 10:58.23 | zamba | SPF: there is no root option to the kernel |
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| 10:58.35 | zamba | SPF: when pressing e at the first option, he gets the following: |
| 10:58.44 | zamba | http://pastebin.com/tMDhwYFQ |
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| 11:05.49 | planet8 | How do I avoid translation of output errors etc in the console? |
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| 11:08.19 | Reventlov | morning |
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| 11:10.19 | Reventlov | I have one key which doesn't generate acpi events, but which generate "xev" events. How to get the hotkeys ? |
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| 11:13.22 | planet8 | Let me rephrase the question: What's making some error output translate into a native language? |
| 11:13.45 | planet8 | in the consle |
| 11:14.05 | Reventlov | what ? ( yeah, my english is bad ) |
| 11:14.22 | petemc | does 'LANG=C command' do what you want? |
| 11:14.31 | Reventlov | >< |
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| 11:15.23 | planet8 | yes, thanks |
| 11:16.04 | acemi | planet8: see dpkg-reconfigure locales too |
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| 11:17.00 | planet8 | thanks |
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| 11:20.23 | RichiH | http://paste.debian.net/108607/ -- i don't see why xrandr can't set my layout... |
| 11:21.27 | zyga | what is the correct Format-Specification for dep5 compliant copyright file? The document at http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/ does not specify one |
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| 11:23.57 | themill | zyga: it's Format not Format-Specification now; it is suggested to use the svn revision until it is accepted and moves to policy |
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| 11:25.33 | zyga | themill, so I should read and reference this document, correct: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/dep/web/deps/dep5.mdwn?rev=148&sc=1 |
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| 11:28.30 | zyga | themill, is there any tool that checks the syntax of the file for errors? |
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| 11:29.01 | bla | Hi. |
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| 11:30.13 | zamba | no avail |
| 11:30.41 | zamba | SPF: have tried changing both to root=/dev/hda2 and root=/dev/sda2 |
| 11:30.49 | zamba | SPF: doesn't matter, same error |
| 11:31.16 | bla | What cron systems do you use? I've got problem with fcron package scripts (invoke-rc.d: .* action start failed) |
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| 11:33.02 | cusco | hi |
| 11:33.22 | cusco | I have a array of 2 disks in soft raid |
| 11:33.23 | cusco | md |
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| 11:33.42 | cusco | for some reason grub at boot complaints it can-t find the filesystem |
| 11:33.43 | cusco | root fs |
| 11:34.09 | bla | If you're not speaking Haiku you'd better (for own good) write questions in single line. |
| 11:34.11 | cusco | so I booted backtrack, and used mdadm -A -s and it assaembles the array with its partitions just fine |
| 11:34.44 | cusco | well, my problem is, why is grub not finding root fs? |
| 11:34.48 | cusco | how can I diagnose it |
| 11:34.58 | bla | Did it find it before? Did it work with your mirror? |
| 11:35.14 | cast | is it a mirror? |
| 11:35.17 | cusco | its a stripe and always worked before |
| 11:35.32 | cast | oh, can /boot be on a strip? |
| 11:35.44 | bla | Is /boot on a strip? |
| 11:35.45 | cusco | no &boot is out of it |
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| 11:35.56 | bla | so, how it fails? |
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| 11:36.16 | cusco | it dumps in rescue mode |
| 11:36.48 | zamba | cast: do you have any idea what i can try? |
| 11:37.14 | cusco | it just ocurred to me that it might be booting of the wrong disk at first |
| 11:37.23 | cusco | which might have grubinstalled too |
| 11:37.25 | cusco | let me reboot |
| 11:37.26 | cusco | brb |
| 11:38.11 | cast | zamba: nah, i'm about to go to sleep |
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| 11:39.09 | bla | http://www.nopaste.pl/yn2 - that's my fcron problem. Any ideas? Or, should I use different cron? (Squeeze, but problem persists since previous version) |
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| 11:41.27 | Night_Elf | Hello all. I use kivio (Visio equivalent) in lenny. In another computer I have recently installed squeeze but it seems there is no kivio for that. Is that so? If such is the case can I install the deb packages from lenny onto squeeze? |
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| 11:43.36 | bla | Night_Elf, try backports if you haven't |
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| 11:46.10 | Night_Elf | bla: I will check that. Thanks |
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| 11:46.49 | babilen | ,versions kivio |
| 11:46.50 | judd | Package kivio on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.6.3-7 |
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| 11:47.22 | babilen | Night_Elf: Doesn't koffice contain a flowchart program as well? I guess that kivio has been discontinued. |
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| 11:49.19 | Night_Elf | babilen: oh I didn't know that. I use gnome and openoffice and kivio as a separate program. I will need to check for koffice as a whole. |
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| 11:51.09 | babilen | Night_Elf: There are alternatives. I like 'inkscape' and 'dia' -- check them out. The former is a very powerful vector based drawing program and the latter is a nice editor for graphs, diagram and charts that comes with a numbr of "stencils" ... |
| 11:51.35 | babilen | Night_Elf: I can't tell you how they compare to kivio (or whatever is used in recent versions of koffice) as I have never used it. |
| 11:52.42 | cusco | hi |
| 11:52.59 | cusco | so what grub actually says is 'unknown filesystem' |
| 11:53.10 | cusco | and I think /boot is actually on stripe on md0 |
| 11:53.27 | cusco | on grub rescue I can execute 'ls' and I see md0 md1 md2... |
| 11:53.42 | SPF | zamba: are you sure it's either /dev/hda2 or /dev/sda2 ? |
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| 11:55.07 | zamba | SPF: that's what the previous entries said |
| 11:55.38 | zamba | SPF: they didn't contain root=uuid:<somethingsomething>, but root=/dev/hda2 |
| 11:55.44 | zamba | SPF: so i tried changing that to /dev/sda2 |
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| 11:56.06 | zamba | SPF: and when did the change from hda to sda happen, and why? |
| 11:56.49 | SPF | zamba: if it |
| 11:57.14 | SPF | zamba: if it's an old system then it's /dev/hda (I assume you use IDE)? |
| 11:57.36 | zamba | SPF: correct |
| 11:58.04 | TMM | that happened what... 5 years ago? |
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| 11:58.59 | zamba | TMM: the change from hda to sda? |
| 11:59.04 | TMM | yeah |
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| 11:59.28 | nevyn | zamba: when ide started getting features like ncq the kernel devs made libata becuase keeping them seperate ment more code to maintain |
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| 11:59.51 | TMM | that was quite some time ago now |
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| 12:00.08 | zamba | nevyn: so if /etc/fstab still points to /dev/hda2? |
| 12:00.30 | zamba | nevyn: or can you override that with root= as a kernel option? |
| 12:00.53 | nevyn | zamba: nope. new kernels will know it as sda |
| 12:00.58 | SPF | zamba: if the root option is not there, you can always add it |
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| 12:01.07 | TMM | I suppose you could do some udev magic to make auto symlinks :P |
| 12:01.10 | zamba | SPF: it's there |
| 12:01.20 | zamba | SPF: it's already there as root=/dev/hda2 |
| 12:01.38 | zamba | SPF: but it won't boot.. i get ALERT! /dev/hda2 does not exist when booting |
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| 12:01.46 | zamba | and dropped into some initramfs thingy |
| 12:02.01 | TMM | zamba, you should be able to get it to boot ifyou specify root=/dev/sda2 on the kernel command line |
| 12:02.14 | zamba | TMM: already tried that |
| 12:02.14 | TMM | zamba, it won't boot completely, but far enough to allow you to change your fstab and grub config and reboot |
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| 12:02.30 | zamba | TMM: changed root=/dev/hda2 to root=/dev/sda2 |
| 12:02.32 | zamba | but to no avail |
| 12:02.34 | zamba | same error |
| 12:02.45 | TMM | zamba, well, from initrd you should be able to mount /dev/sda2 then |
| 12:03.03 | zamba | TMM: what's initrd? is that the initramfs thingy? |
| 12:03.15 | TMM | yeah |
| 12:03.20 | zamba | TMM: how do i do that? |
| 12:03.47 | TMM | mount /dev/sda2 /tmp |
| 12:03.49 | TMM | or something |
| 12:04.09 | macrobat | generally, is /dev populated when i get dropped to a busybox? |
| 12:04.11 | TMM | don't do /tmp though |
| 12:04.18 | TMM | macrobat, udev should be started by then |
| 12:04.40 | zamba | TMM: this happened during an upgrade from lenny to squeeze.. so i'm guessing it's a problem with udev |
| 12:04.56 | TMM | if you're trying to boot an old kernel stuff might break |
| 12:05.04 | macrobat | idk, is udev part of the initrd? |
| 12:05.16 | TMM | macrobat, should be |
| 12:05.17 | zamba | TMM: maybe that dev isn't populated, so that nothing in there exist? could that be the reason for all of this? |
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| 12:05.29 | TMM | zamba, that would be a problem, yes :) |
| 12:05.40 | zamba | TMM: i believe that's the problem here |
| 12:05.56 | nevyn | TMM: /mnt is the usual place. |
| 12:06.09 | fbs | how do i exclude packages from a safe upgrade |
| 12:06.16 | TMM | nevyn, I don't know if initramfs already uses /mnt :) |
| 12:06.18 | fbs | i dont want OO.org to update right now |
| 12:06.35 | zamba | TMM: so what do i do then? |
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| 12:07.01 | TMM | zamba, are you sure you're booting the squeeze kernel, and that you fully upgraded udev? the upgrade procedure should have warned you that it wouldn't upgrade unless you touched some file. |
| 12:07.38 | TMM | zamba, if you didn't do that, try booting into the old kernel, then upgrade udeve |
| 12:07.48 | zamba | TMM: i'm very not sure that i fully upgraded udev |
| 12:07.55 | zamba | TMM: already tried booting from an old kernel |
| 12:08.06 | zamba | same problem |
| 12:08.07 | macrobat | fbs: man aptitude, there is hold and there is keep |
| 12:08.20 | zamba | 2.6.32-5-686 is the squeeze kernel, right? |
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| 12:09.01 | zamba | TMM: in the grub menu i only have 2.6.18-xx |
| 12:09.05 | TMM | zamba, sounds like your initramfs was half-upgraded too then, I recommend booting a livecd, chrooting into your installed system and poking around a bit, see if apt-get dist-upgrade and friends don't have any suggestions, update your fstab and grub configs to point to sd*, and re-running mkinitramfs |
| 12:09.22 | zamba | TMM: i was hoping you wouldn't say that |
| 12:09.26 | zamba | TMM: no cd-rom on the box :p |
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| 12:09.38 | TMM | zamba, well, are you sure you installed a new kernel? |
| 12:09.57 | TMM | zamba, if so, use the grub command-line to manually specify your new kernel |
| 12:10.03 | zamba | TMM: i can't remember.. problem is that i started the upgrade process and then the power shut down.. |
| 12:10.04 | fbs | macrobat: yeah found it |
| 12:10.05 | TMM | zamba, and initramfs and stuff |
| 12:10.07 | fbs | thanks |
| 12:10.12 | macrobat | :D |
| 12:10.24 | TMM | zamba, well, you kind of failed to mention that, didn't you? :P |
| 12:10.32 | zamba | TMM: hehe, i guess :) |
| 12:11.05 | TMM | zamba, that would place your system in what we professionals like to call a "unknown state" also known as "Foobar" |
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| 12:11.30 | zamba | TMM: and for that you suggest what? :) |
| 12:11.43 | zamba | plane tickets? :p |
| 12:11.43 | TMM | zamba, in that case I can only really recommend creating some form of bootable media, and finishing the upgrade |
| 12:12.10 | TMM | zamba, by chrooting into the system |
| 12:13.14 | TMM | zamba, if you have a USB key it should be fairly painless to do, otherwise if you have another box try PXE booting it |
| 12:14.15 | zamba | TMM: i guess i forgot to mention that i'm several houndred miles away from the machine :) |
| 12:15.03 | TMM | zamba, do you have access to it's BIOS and another box on the lan? |
| 12:15.23 | zamba | well, yeah.. i can have that |
| 12:15.51 | TMM | zamba, PXE boot into a rescue system then. Then chroot/finish upgrade etc. |
| 12:16.02 | zamba | TMM: can i ssh into that rescue system? |
| 12:16.07 | zamba | from the other box? |
| 12:16.12 | TMM | zamba, depends on the rescue system |
| 12:16.22 | zamba | well, i need to :) |
| 12:16.29 | zamba | again, the miles issue mentioned above |
| 12:16.44 | TMM | you have access to the BIOS right? I assume some form of serial console? |
| 12:16.55 | zamba | i have someone that can access the BIOS for me |
| 12:17.03 | TMM | lol |
| 12:17.05 | zamba | :) |
| 12:17.14 | TMM | well, that blows |
| 12:17.15 | zamba | that's a simple enough task for them to accomplish :) |
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| 12:17.29 | zamba | well.. i'm able to get them to change the boot order to boot from LAN |
| 12:17.33 | zamba | that should be simple enough |
| 12:17.43 | duxklr | If someone is there have them put a CD in the drive. |
| 12:17.54 | zamba | duxklr: there's no cd drive on it |
| 12:17.59 | TMM | usb key? |
| 12:18.08 | zamba | TMM: too old computer to be able to boot off it |
| 12:18.16 | TMM | jesus |
| 12:18.25 | zamba | but let's talk more about that pxe booting? |
| 12:18.26 | TMM | well, prepare a rootfs that starts SSH then :) |
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| 12:18.52 | TMM | make a dhcp config with a hardcoded IP for the box's mac |
| 12:18.59 | TMM | so that after boot you know what it's going to be |
| 12:19.06 | TMM | and then ssh into it |
| 12:19.15 | TMM | that would seem the best solution then |
| 12:19.41 | zamba | that rootfs-thing.. how? |
| 12:19.47 | zamba | the rest i understand |
| 12:20.26 | mikunos | hi guys how can I to update the PEAR framework on Debian? I have the php 5.3.3. thanks |
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| 12:20.31 | TMM | debootstrap a minimal debian system into a directory on your bootserver, chroot into it, config dhcp and sshd |
| 12:20.39 | TMM | then use that as the nfs root filesystem |
| 12:20.48 | zamba | TMM: i need a howto for that :) |
| 12:20.50 | TMM | there are smarter ways, but no easier ways |
| 12:20.55 | zamba | TMM: you know where to find one? :) |
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| 12:21.21 | TMM | I take it you're not a sysadmin then? :P |
| 12:22.09 | zamba | not this elite, no :) |
| 12:22.25 | TMM | http://www.digitalpeer.com/id/linuxnfs |
| 12:22.28 | zamba | i know some of the pieces, but i've never done anything like this before |
| 12:22.29 | TMM | that looks fairly complete |
| 12:22.36 | TMM | you know how to use debootstrap? |
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| 12:23.24 | zamba | TMM: hm, nope |
| 12:23.24 | TMM | zamba, ignore the bit about building your own kernel, you don't need to do that |
| 12:23.47 | zamba | argh.. fsck.. this looks daunting |
| 12:23.56 | zamba | easier to just buy plane tickets :p |
| 12:24.06 | zamba | though not cheaper |
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| 12:24.17 | TMM | have him fedex you the box :P |
| 12:24.22 | zamba | heh |
| 12:24.41 | zamba | typical that this had to happen with the single most important box in the network |
| 12:24.50 | TMM | also: Don't remote-upgrade systems if you don't know how to recover and have no serial console or other ilo/alom/drac equivalent |
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| 12:25.13 | zamba | TMM: yeah, i really do know that.. but i felt a bit masochistic at the time :) |
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| 12:25.16 | TMM | if that howto looks 'daunting' you really shouldn't be doing this stuff in the first place |
| 12:25.28 | cusco | hi |
| 12:25.44 | TMM | be comfortable with the system before :) |
| 12:25.51 | cusco | so, booting debian installer I can assemble the md disks.. but it seems that I cannot mount them? |
| 12:26.04 | cusco | mount invalid arguent, when performing mount /dev/md0 /mnt |
| 12:26.32 | TMM | cusco, sure there's no LVM layered on top of the MD? |
| 12:26.37 | zamba | cusco: it's not /dev/md/0? |
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| 12:27.05 | cusco | no |
| 12:27.08 | cusco | its /dev/md0 |
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| 12:27.32 | cusco | and /dev/md1 and /dev/md2 |
| 12:27.45 | cusco | and I can query them and get details with mdadm |
| 12:28.00 | cusco | its this mount.. from busybox I guess that is being problematic ? |
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| 12:28.55 | optraz | hi, when i plug in my external usb hdd, it mount correctly and it show 2 icons on top of the desktop. when i type mount command, it show /dev/sdb1 on /media/usb0 type vfat (rw,noexec,nodev,sync,noatime,nodiratime) , the problem is i cant create file nor umount it. when i right click on the usb disk icon on the desktop, it gave errror "umount: /media/usb0 is not in the fstab (and you are not root)" anyone can help? |
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| 12:29.38 | cusco | optraz: can you create files with root? |
| 12:29.55 | optraz | yes, that was what i do but i found it cubersome |
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| 12:30.46 | mikunos | How have I downgrade th PHP 5.3.3 to 5.2.10 |
| 12:30.47 | mikunos | ?? |
| 12:31.26 | cusco | ? |
| 12:31.29 | cusco | youd on't |
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| 12:31.33 | cusco | why would u |
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| 12:31.54 | zamba | hm.. does a recovery cd exist that is able to get an ip and also launch a sshd? |
| 12:32.02 | zamba | because i may be able to get a cd drive attached |
| 12:32.27 | mikunos | cusco I have a software that works only with the 5.2 |
| 12:32.40 | dArK_IcE | michael_ |
| 12:32.45 | dArK_IcE | mikunos are u using |
| 12:32.47 | dArK_IcE | apt-get? |
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| 12:33.25 | dArK_IcE | just read "man apt-get", install options can have a version |
| 12:33.26 | stew | mikunos: you should fix that software if it's at all possible |
| 12:33.47 | dArK_IcE | A specific version of a package can be selected for installation by following the package name with an equals and the version of the package to select. |
| 12:33.51 | dArK_IcE | Both of the version selection mechanisms can downgrade packages and must be used with care. |
| 12:33.52 | stew | dArK_IcE: and where would you recommend he get a 5.2.10 version? |
| 12:33.56 | mikunos | this software use the PEAR package |
| 12:34.31 | stew | mikunos: pear is in the php-pear package |
| 12:34.44 | mikunos | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:34.53 | mikunos | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:34.57 | optraz | cusco: any idea? |
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| 12:36.35 | dArK_IcE | php5 (5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9) |
| 12:36.43 | dArK_IcE | this one are avaiable |
| 12:36.46 | dArK_IcE | lenny repos |
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| 12:37.33 | stew | mikunos: he's pointing you to 5.2.6 not 5.2.10, note that if you use a lenny package, you would lose security support in about a year and you'd have to do the security fixes yourself |
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| 12:37.58 | TMM | zamba, I think some flavors of knoppix might do that |
| 12:38.00 | mikunos | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:38.39 | optraz | hi, when i plug in my external usb hdd, it mount correctly and it show 2 icons on top of the desktop. when i type mount command, it show /dev/sdb1 on /media/usb0 type vfat (rw,noexec,nodev,sync,noatime,nodiratime) , the problem is i cant create file nor umount it. when i right click on the usb disk icon on the desktop, it gave errror "umount: /media/usb0 is not in the fstab (and you are not root)" anyone can help? |
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| 12:39.21 | TMM | cusco, no, if the device is there, it doesn't matter where it comes from |
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| 12:39.38 | TMM | cusco, are you sure that the MDs are not PVs for a VG? |
| 12:39.46 | TMM | wow, nice |
| 12:39.47 | zamba | TMM: i really don't understand why that's not a standard |
| 12:39.53 | zamba | TMM: in this networked world |
| 12:40.18 | TMM | zamba, most people who need that know how to make that ;) |
| 12:40.31 | abrotman | optraz: so why not put it in your fstab ? |
| 12:40.43 | zamba | TMM: ugh |
| 12:40.57 | optraz | abrotman: put what? |
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| 12:42.30 | TMM | zamba, generally if you need network access to the rescue disk, you don't have physical access, so a CD is useless in every scenario except for the one where you're in :) |
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| 12:43.10 | zamba | timo's rescue cd set? |
| 12:43.23 | zamba | that should be able to help me some, shouldn't it? |
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| 12:43.29 | TMM | I don't know it |
| 12:43.53 | TMM | if it auto-configures SSH then maybe, but you'd still need to configure an IP address somehow |
| 12:44.05 | TMM | or use DHCP |
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| 12:50.22 | stephan48 | TMM: or something like slp |
| 12:50.32 | stephan48 | like autodiscover the ip |
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| 13:01.51 | optraz | ok, i removed usbmount it works :-s |
| 13:01.55 | optraz | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1478368&page=4 |
| 13:02.01 | optraz | from ubuntu but it works in wheezy |
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| 13:16.51 | anoob | i'm trying to package a software... it has a lot of python scripts... dh_make asks the type of package... is it single binary ou multiple? |
| 13:17.25 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 13:17.25 | dpkg | hmm... mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
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| 13:18.16 | epeen | is there any tools i can use to notify me when i disconnect from the network (wifi) ? |
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| 13:20.36 | JyZyXEL | after upgrading to depency based boot the line "post-up /sbin/ip addr add 10.0.0.5/24" in /etc/network/interfaces made that address the main one for eth0 |
| 13:20.44 | jacktheripper | I'm still trying to install wheezy through the businesscard images. Debootstrap passes the Packages checksum (since 614315 was fixed) but fails on each package reporting that it's corrupt. |
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| 13:22.51 | bla | jacktheripper, have you checked checksum for the medium image? |
| 13:23.26 | jacktheripper | yes I have, but it gets the packages from a debian repo anyway. |
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| 13:28.20 | EyesIsMine | How do I create a user from the recovery console on the disk CD-1? |
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| 13:35.00 | kuhkatz | i just added debian-multimedia to my sources.list, i updated and then upgraded, which gave me some pkgs on hold. i tried --ignore-hold option for apt, but no luck. how can i get these packages? |
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| 13:42.11 | kryl | hi |
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| 13:48.29 | albech | does anyone know how to get swftools installed from a repo? |
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| 13:50.38 | nsm | Hi |
| 13:51.07 | abrotman | albech: it's not in Debian anymore |
| 13:51.19 | nsm | i have a problem trying to set the pureftpd MaxClientsNumber above 10 |
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| 13:51.32 | albech | abrotman, QQ its a dependency for something I need :( |
| 13:51.50 | abrotman | still not in Debian anymore |
| 13:51.51 | z14n87 | hello everyone, I'm trying to make a customize distro based on debian for pc router (for my study). I want to make it as a small text-base distro under 100mb. I already try UCK and debootstrap, but it still has a big size (900mb), do you have any suggestion that I can try, It will be very helpfull If you have link that I can read (I try search for a few days but still have no sulution) ,thanks before, and sorry if my english is not really good |
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| 13:52.13 | abrotman | !emdebian |
| 13:52.13 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 13:52.48 | nsm | somebody nows how to change the limit of users in pureftpd? |
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| 13:53.15 | z14n87 | thanks for the suggestion, I'll try it now |
| 13:53.17 | z14n87 | :D |
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| 13:54.25 | boudiccas | nsm, knows |
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| 13:54.40 | Zarion | Anyone know how to get bluetooth working in squeeze? hcitool can see the BT phone I'm trying to connect to, but it dosen't seem to want to connect to it, I'm trying to setup PAN networking and use the internet conenction on my phone |
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| 13:54.52 | cricido | hi |
| 13:55.02 | Zarion | Then hopfully get load balancing working ;P |
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| 13:55.05 | nsm | hi, boudiccas do you know? |
| 13:55.31 | cricido | i have a problem when i try to update my sistem i recived W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AED4B06F473041FA |
| 13:55.38 | cricido | anyone can help me §? |
| 13:55.55 | Bauldrick | trying to update my sid box and getting and getting error "Method rred has died unexpectedly" - can this be caused by .pdiff before the error namely "Get:5 http://mirrors.kernel.org sid/contrib 2011-02-19-0216.26.pdiff [51 B]". I run update without pdiff using "apt-get update -o Acquire::Pdiffs=false" and it seems OK - |
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| 13:56.03 | Famic | hi |
| 13:57.08 | zamba | TMM: got it booted! |
| 13:57.12 | zamba | TMM: you won't believe it! |
| 13:57.24 | Famic | I've just installed exim4, and did a dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config. Usually I get a "direct smtp distribution (web site)" option, but here I only have a choice between smarthost or no network. any clue on how to fix this ? |
| 13:57.26 | zamba | TMM: hoho.. and now.. what do i do to -permanently- fix this.. please hold my hand for a bit :) |
| 13:57.29 | TMM | zamba, try me :) |
| 13:57.31 | nsm | hi cricido all you need to do is install debian-keyring package |
| 13:58.38 | nsm | someone has experience with pureftpd? |
| 13:58.55 | cricido | i hava another problem after i upgrade my debian when i try to install a pack.. i recived E: I wasn't able to locate file for the tzdata package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. E: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root? |
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| 13:59.02 | Famic | nsm: just ask |
| 14:00.03 | nsm | hi Famic. If i set MaxClientsNumber up to 4 it doesn't works |
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| 14:00.40 | Famic | did you restart it ? |
| 14:00.50 | nsm | yes i did |
| 14:01.00 | Famic | how did you set it ? |
| 14:01.01 | nsm | if i set it to 2 or 3 |
| 14:01.03 | nsm | it works |
| 14:01.31 | nsm | i changed /etc/pure-ftpd/conf/MaxClientsNumber |
| 14:01.44 | cricido | anyone can help me |
| 14:01.45 | cricido | ? |
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| 14:02.26 | f8l | cricido: You can't run two package managers at once. |
| 14:02.33 | Famic | nsm: are you sure pure-ftpd is not launched twice ? sometimes it's launched as standalaone but inetd also has an instance |
| 14:03.24 | cricido | f8 ? |
| 14:03.44 | nsm | i'm pretty sure because when i stop the standalone i cant connect to the server anymore |
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| 14:04.47 | nsm | and when a i change MaxClientsNumber to a number smaller than 4 it works ok |
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| 14:05.26 | f8l | cricido: "E: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root?" usually occurs when you run two package managers at once or (not a surprise) you don't run APT as root. |
| 14:05.37 | cricido | i m root |
| 14:05.51 | cricido | i have reboot |
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| 14:06.29 | hogren | hello world |
| 14:06.45 | f8l | cricido: Rebooting doesn't give you root privileges. ;-P |
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| 14:06.55 | f8l | hogren: Hello. |
| 14:07.16 | hogren | I am a debutant developper and I want give my help for the debian project |
| 14:07.25 | hogren | I am really motivated |
| 14:07.53 | cricido | ail:/var/lib# |
| 14:07.57 | cricido | i hava # |
| 14:08.07 | cricido | ls |
| 14:08.14 | nsm | any idea famic? |
| 14:08.16 | hogren | i can learn a specific language |
| 14:08.34 | Famic | nsm: not really. try fiddling with google |
| 14:08.35 | zamba | TMM: well.. where do i go from here? |
| 14:08.47 | nsm | ok, thanks |
| 14:09.03 | zamba | TMM: the system claims to be debian squeeze |
| 14:09.06 | hogren | where can i find a project which needs dev? |
| 14:09.17 | zamba | TMM: Linux hobbiton 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Wed May 9 23:03:12 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:09.23 | zamba | TMM: had to boot the old kernel to get stuff up again |
| 14:09.39 | TMM | zamba, ok, you're just booted into the system now? |
| 14:10.04 | cricido | f8l: you have any idea §? |
| 14:10.05 | zamba | TMM: yes |
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| 14:10.50 | TMM | zamba, well, make sure your sources.list all points to squeeze, remove and third-party sources, run another apt-get update; then apt-get dist-upgrade and call me back when it returns without errors :) |
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| 14:13.11 | zamba | TMM: yup, that's done |
| 14:13.15 | zamba | TMM: upgraded a few packages |
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| 14:13.44 | zamba | TMM: but nothing vital |
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| 14:14.59 | TMM | zamba, you should probably make sure that the linux-image-amd64 or equivalent is installed now |
| 14:15.23 | waterloo2005 | when I boot , I find an error: ' setting parameter of disk : /dev/sda failed ' . How to do with it ? thanks |
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| 14:15.38 | zamba | TMM: all i have is a 2.6.18-kernel |
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| 14:15.48 | zamba | vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 14:15.51 | zamba | that's the latest |
| 14:16.03 | TMM | zamba, apt-cache search for linux-image- |
| 14:16.09 | TMM | then install the one matching your arch, not a version |
| 14:16.15 | stew | zamba: you should be following the release notes, if you were to reboot now, your system would NOT be bootable |
| 14:16.15 | TMM | like linux-image-i386 |
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| 14:16.26 | TMM | stew, he experienced that already |
| 14:16.35 | zamba | ;) |
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| 14:16.50 | stew | TMM: but we STILL aren't telling him to follow the release notes⸠|
| 14:17.10 | zamba | stew: i had a power failure while upgrading |
| 14:17.22 | TMM | stew, well, first tried to get his system back in a known state before pointing him to the release notes |
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| 14:20.00 | zamba | TMM: ok, first question of the day: |
| 14:20.05 | zamba | Update disk device IDs in system configuration? |
| 14:20.12 | stew | !widhe |
| 14:20.12 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 14:20.33 | zamba | stew: yeah, sure, then i'm asked again :) |
| 14:22.37 | stew | zamba: if you were following the release notes, it would be telling you that "it is recommended instead to use device names that are guaranteed to be stable over time, such as the UUID aliases" |
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| 14:26.51 | zamba | stew: well, my fear is that i break something |
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| 14:28.08 | zamba | TMM: Setting up linux-image-686 (2.6.32+29) ... |
| 14:28.12 | zamba | TMM: and then it's completed :) |
| 14:28.16 | zamba | TMM: what now? :) |
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| 14:29.32 | nsm | Famic, i solve the problem. I was limiting the PassivePortRange to only 8 ports |
| 14:29.38 | Hazel- | how can i create encrypted partitions during debian installation and install on them? |
| 14:29.44 | Famic | :) |
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| 14:29.48 | nsm | that whas the problem |
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| 14:33.30 | dreamer | is this guide still valid for postgres 9.0 in sid? http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/postgresql.htm |
| 14:33.32 | kuhkatz | Hazel-, use lvm with dm-crypt, the installer will ask you if you want to do that (the text-installer at least, never used the gui one) |
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| 14:33.58 | dreamer | the pg_hba.conf seems somewhat different from what is described |
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| 14:34.31 | Hazel- | kuhkatz: when i create a new partition i choose an encrypted partition but i can't set the mounting point |
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| 14:34.45 | Hazel- | i will try again.. |
| 14:34.59 | Hazel- | there are 2 options |
| 14:35.12 | Hazel- | encrypted partition and lvm partition (or something similar) |
| 14:35.25 | Hazel- | none of them worked for me |
| 14:35.39 | kuhkatz | i used the lvm one, which then asks if you want to use encryption |
| 14:35.50 | kuhkatz | at least i remember that this way |
| 14:36.01 | Hazel- | ok |
| 14:36.17 | Hazel- | i will try again later |
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| 14:36.18 | Hazel- | thanks |
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| 14:36.58 | zamba | TMM: sorry, got disconnected.. did you write anything? |
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| 14:53.07 | c0nsense | hello! any one know how to install rrdtool for php in debian lenny? |
| 14:53.08 | zamba | which version of udev should i be running in squeeze? |
| 14:53.23 | dvs | ,versions udev |
| 14:53.25 | judd | Package udev on i386 -- lenny-security: 0.125-7+lenny1; lenny: 0.125-7+lenny3; squeeze: 164-3; sid: 166-1; wheezy: 166-1 |
| 14:54.28 | zamba | sweet |
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| 14:54.44 | zamba | so then, in theory, i should have a bootable system..? :) |
| 14:54.57 | abrotman | mmm .. theories |
| 14:55.06 | abrotman | c0nsense: what about it doens't work ? |
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| 14:55.29 | jocelyn | plop |
| 14:55.39 | jocelyn | j'aimerai utiliser le wifi sur mon desktop |
| 14:55.41 | c0nsense | abritman: can i install from apt? |
| 14:55.49 | c0nsense | or need be by hand? |
| 14:55.49 | jocelyn | j'ai une carte qui a besoin du driver ath5k |
| 14:55.53 | jocelyn | je suis sur la testing |
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| 14:56.02 | jocelyn | OOpps |
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| 14:56.03 | jocelyn | Sorry |
| 14:56.17 | jocelyn | I forgot to put -fr at the end of the channel :) |
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| 14:56.46 | TMM | zamba, sorry, ok now your system is in what we like to call "partially unfucked" this would be a good time to review the release notes of squeeze |
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| 14:57.23 | zamba | TMM: but i'm not sure where to jump in and which steps i've actually performed or not :) |
| 14:57.44 | zamba | TMM: i see have have an upgraded udev |
| 14:58.02 | zamba | TMM: /etc/fstab has been updated with new UUID |
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| 14:58.16 | zamba | TMM: and the new kernel has been installed (but not picked up by grub.. ?) |
| 14:58.22 | zamba | i also have both grub legacy and grub 2 here |
| 14:58.23 | TMM | zamba, run update-grub |
| 14:58.26 | zamba | chainloaded |
| 14:58.27 | TMM | both? |
| 14:58.34 | TMM | ah right |
| 14:58.35 | TMM | yeah |
| 14:58.38 | TMM | that's the default |
| 14:58.49 | zamba | title When you have verified GRUB 2 works, you can use this command to |
| 14:58.49 | zamba | root |
| 14:58.49 | zamba | title complete the upgrade: upgrade-from-grub-legacy |
| 14:58.49 | TMM | you can either migrate to the new grub now, or do a test boot first |
| 14:58.51 | zamba | that stuff |
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| 14:58.56 | zamba | i prefer to do a test boot :p |
| 14:59.01 | TMM | well, there you go |
| 14:59.26 | zamba | hm |
| 14:59.31 | zamba | shouldn't update-grub write menu.lst? |
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| 15:01.50 | dvs | zamba: GRUB 2 writes to grub.cfg |
| 15:01.57 | zamba | oh |
| 15:02.29 | zamba | so to boot the new kernel i have to chain load into grub 2 first? |
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| 15:03.00 | dvs | zamba: the upgrade give you that option in case things don't work out. |
| 15:03.03 | frido | zamba: custom compiled or distribution? |
| 15:03.08 | zamba | frido: distribution |
| 15:03.15 | zamba | frido: apt-get install linux-image-686 |
| 15:03.30 | dvs | linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 15:03.45 | TMM | zamba, check out /etc/grub/grub.cfg and see if your new kernel's in there |
| 15:03.53 | frido | ok, it should be ok |
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| 15:04.27 | zamba | TMM: it's there, yeah |
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| 15:04.42 | TMM | zamba, right, do a test-boot then |
| 15:04.56 | TMM | zamba, if you checked the other things on the release notes list of course |
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| 15:11.24 | eightcell | hello all |
| 15:11.38 | jeward | How do I disable gnome-keyring where vnc is concerned? |
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| 15:12.58 | jeward | Or, how do I disable gnome-keyring altogether? |
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| 15:16.48 | jeward | I have a couple of kiosks running squeeze. How do I remove the need to type a password into gnome keyring on the console when I want to connect via vnc? |
| 15:16.58 | eni23 | hello at all. is there a package/or repo for iceweasel/firefox 3.6 for squeeze? |
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| 15:18.05 | bittin | Hello, somone knows how to get Xorg working on an eMac G4? |
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| 15:19.32 | TMM | zamba, how's it going? |
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| 15:20.31 | eni23 | jeward: could do it with sudo nopasswd |
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| 15:21.03 | zamba | TMM: i'm waiting :) |
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| 15:21.18 | babilen | bittin: what are your problems? |
| 15:21.34 | bittin | babilen: Xorg only shows black |
| 15:21.47 | zamba | TMM: not sure i want to do this, since i'm still at a remote location :) |
| 15:21.49 | bittin | trying to get icewm running |
| 15:22.00 | bittin | and think icewm & in .xinitrc should be okay |
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| 15:22.41 | babilen | bittin: it is typically "exec WINDOWMANAGER" so for example "exec fluxbox" or "exec icewm" -- but there should be documentation for icewm |
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| 15:23.10 | bittin | ah |
| 15:23.28 | babilen | bittin: http://www.icewm.org/FAQ/IceWM-FAQ-3.html (2s google) |
| 15:23.47 | b3hnam | How can I limit network transfer of my client ? ( for example 100mb for each day ? ) |
| 15:24.08 | babilen | bittin: So, yes. It should be "exec icewm" |
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| 15:24.41 | TMM | zamba, well... :) |
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| 15:24.54 | zamba | TMM: i reeeeeally don't want to do this dance again :) |
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| 15:26.20 | zamba | TMM: so i'd rather wait to do this till the next time i'm on-site |
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| 15:27.16 | jeward | eni23: Checking. |
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| 15:28.21 | jeward | eni23: I have no command "nopasswd". |
| 15:28.22 | babilen | bittin: did that do the trick? |
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| 15:28.39 | bittin | babilen: nope |
| 15:28.47 | babilen | what's the problem? |
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| 15:28.58 | bittin | Xorg only gives me a black screen |
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| 15:29.10 | bittin | and /etc/.xinitrc says exec icewm |
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| 15:29.17 | babilen | bittin: How do you start x? |
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| 15:29.59 | bittin | startx from my user |
| 15:30.33 | TMM | zamba, well, if it's working now, perhaps you shouldn't touch it then :) but well, if it goes down due to another power-failure you might end up having to do it in the middle of the night |
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| 15:30.47 | TMM | zamba, those are the hard choices of the sysadmin :) |
| 15:30.59 | jeward | I have a couple of kiosks running squeeze. How do I remove the need to type a password into gnome keyring on the console when I want to connect via vnc? |
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| 15:32.47 | babilen | bittin: You might want to read /usr/share/doc/icewm-common/README.Debian â or let the helpful babilen do it who concludes that you want "icewm-session" -- reading helps ;) |
| 15:33.28 | babilen | bittin: And please give feedback, it is hard to guess what is going wrong or working without my crystal ball. (I left it at home) |
| 15:33.51 | bittin | :p |
| 15:34.02 | eni23 | jeward: no you don't have this command. you can write your user in sudoers-file with nopasswd. look at man sudoers |
| 15:34.30 | jeward | eni23: That will change whether vnc need gnome-keyring? |
| 15:34.32 | bittin | ah dumb of me |
| 15:34.40 | bittin | whats the dpkg command to reconfigure to Xorg server |
| 15:34.49 | jeward | eni23: I THINK the user is already nopasswd in sudoers, checking. |
| 15:35.08 | babilen | bittin: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 15:35.09 | bittin | nevermind |
| 15:35.12 | bittin | =) |
| 15:35.13 | bittin | thx |
| 15:35.16 | babilen | np |
| 15:35.36 | babilen | bittin: But reconfiguring should not be needed anyway |
| 15:35.41 | stew | i'm not sure what sudo would have to do with either gnome-keyring or vnc |
| 15:35.46 | bittin | got some error msg now |
| 15:36.11 | bittin | X_ServTransSocketUnixCreate Listner: Failed and sstuff |
| 15:36.15 | jeward | eni23: It was not NOPASSWD in sudoers. I'll reboot to test. |
| 15:36.22 | eni23 | jeward: wait |
| 15:36.22 | stew | reboot?! |
| 15:36.36 | jeward | stew: It's a kiosk. |
| 15:36.53 | jeward | stew: The problem hapens the first time I try to connect via vnc after a reboot. |
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| 15:37.16 | eni23 | jeward: you dont need a reboot for this. but think this will not solve your problem. this is for ubuntu but could work: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/07/12/automatically-unlocking-the-default-gnome-keyring-pam-keyring/ |
| 15:37.25 | bittin | trying this atm: http://mac.linux.be/content/black-screen-or-missing-gui |
| 15:37.34 | jeward | stew: gnome-keyring prompts for a password before allowing the first vnc connection. |
| 15:37.36 | babilen | bittin: "Failed and sstuff" ? |
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| 15:38.12 | babilen | bittin: How is that helpful? |
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| 15:38.22 | jeward | eni23: Right sudoers didn't fix it. Checking the link you sent. |
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| 15:38.35 | bittin | still only got black pictured tough |
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| 15:39.31 | babilen | bittin: Please be specific. When do you get this error message? Is the xserver working? I mean can you run "X :42 & sleep 5 ; DISPLAY=:42 xterm" ? |
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| 15:40.20 | bittin | babilen: yes |
| 15:40.48 | babilen | bittin: How is your xserver configured? Can you paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log -- Could you try a different window manager (e.g. fluxbox or awesome) and report the issues there? What is your .xinitrc you use? What is the *exact* error message you get? (Does it really and in "Failed and sstuff" ? |
| 15:40.50 | bittin | the keyboard dosent work there tough |
| 15:41.16 | jeward | eni23: rebooting to test. |
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| 15:41.44 | bittin | or now it does :) |
| 15:41.51 | babilen | bittin: Which version of Debian is this? How do you configure your xserver right now? Where do you get that X_ServTransSocketUnixCreate error? (google has never heard of it) |
| 15:42.07 | bittin | 7.0 testing ppc |
| 15:42.23 | babilen | bittin: yeah, the "sleep 5" in there ... So your xserver is working. Could you try a different window manager and paste the requested files? |
| 15:42.30 | jeward | eni23: Uhoh, that broke login altogether... fixing from the console. |
| 15:42.31 | bittin | yes |
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| 15:42.45 | babilen | bittin: wheezy? why do you think this is a good idea? |
| 15:43.21 | bittin | babilen: i always runned testing on this box :p |
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| 15:44.06 | bittin | trying with fluxbox now |
| 15:44.14 | bittin | once got a half wmii to work |
| 15:44.32 | babilen | bittin: Not really a good idea directly after a release. I can't really say what the situation is *right now* but I wouldn't recommend using wheezy these days/weeks/months |
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| 15:45.18 | bittin | hn |
| 15:45.27 | bittin | only got xterm to work no window manager |
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| 15:45.30 | bittin | what files did you want? |
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| 15:45.52 | yebyen | does anyone know about squeeze on reiser4 root? |
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| 15:46.02 | babilen | bittin: Please paste your .xinitrc and .xsession-errors and tell me how your xserver is configured along with its logs. And whatever log contained the "X_ServTransSocketUnixCreate Listner: Failed and sstuff" error (did you made that (partially?) up?) |
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| 15:46.14 | babilen | yebyen: What is there to know? |
| 15:46.18 | yebyen | i'm using the liquorix kernel series, which seems to have no problem mounting reiser4 |
| 15:46.21 | yebyen | once it's booted |
| 15:46.33 | bittin | how do i do a pipe on a mac keyboard? |
| 15:46.38 | babilen | yebyen: does the same thing happen with a stock Debian kernel? |
| 15:46.41 | yebyen | but from initramfs, it does not mount my reiser4 to /root, says No such device |
| 15:46.52 | yebyen | babilen: i assume it would, there's no reiser4 support in debian stock kernel |
| 15:47.02 | yebyen | unless i've miscalculated ^_^ |
| 15:47.26 | yebyen | i can mount my reiserfs /boot partition just fine, and even from within the initramfs rescue |
| 15:47.36 | yebyen | but reiser4 will not mount |
| 15:47.43 | bittin | babilen: /etc/.xinitrc only says exec pekwm now and cant find any xsession errors file in /etc |
| 15:48.28 | babilen | bittin: it is ~/.xsession-errors |
| 15:48.30 | yebyen | the reiser4 and zlib_deflate modules are there in initramfs, i can load them, but it doesn't help with mounting root |
| 15:48.39 | babilen | bittin: fluxbox therefore worked? |
| 15:48.44 | bittin | nope |
| 15:48.50 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 15:49.00 | yebyen | babilen: do you have a reiser4 root somewhere? |
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| 15:49.02 | babilen | bittin: Please paste the files i requested. What is the problem with fluxbox? |
| 15:49.19 | bittin | if i know howd to a pipe on a mac keyboard |
| 15:49.22 | bittin | i could pastebinit |
| 15:49.27 | babilen | yebyen: no, i don't use reiserfs and it wouldn't come to my mind to use it |
| 15:49.47 | yebyen | babilen: i have an eeepc 2G, so it's important... since the compression support is so good |
| 15:49.47 | OpenTokix | bittin: option or alt + 7 |
| 15:49.57 | bittin | OpenTokix: thx :) |
| 15:49.59 | OpenTokix | bittin: or command, one of those =) |
| 15:49.59 | yebyen | my rootfs is fully installed with xorg and only 400MB used up |
| 15:50.14 | yebyen | via debootstrap |
| 15:50.16 | bittin | =) |
| 15:50.26 | bittin | http://pastebin.com/1eepJ1RY |
| 15:50.32 | yebyen | babilen: just to be the pedant, reiserfs!=reiser4 |
| 15:50.35 | bittin | and i dont have any .xsession-errors |
| 15:50.37 | jeward | eni123: Well, the Ubuntu keywords don't work in my debian gnome config. |
| 15:50.40 | yebyen | reiserfs is universally reiserfs 3 |
| 15:50.55 | yebyen | reiser4 is the modular one with the crypt_compress plugin |
| 15:51.12 | yebyen | you don't care if you don't use either |
| 15:51.15 | jhutchins_lt | bittin: Remember that a leading . hides files unless you ls -a |
| 15:51.22 | babilen | yebyen: yes |
| 15:51.44 | bittin | jhutchins_lt: i think cat as a root should find . files anyways :p |
| 15:51.49 | yebyen | hmm |
| 15:52.03 | yebyen | maybe i should just install lxc on my rescue system |
| 15:52.09 | yebyen | and use it this way |
| 15:52.11 | yebyen | lol |
| 15:53.12 | babilen | bittin: Please help us to diagnose this error. Paste your X logs, ~/.xsession-errors, tell/show us how the xserver is configured, relevant error messages (I am still not sure *where* you get "X_ServTransSocketUnixCreate Listner: Failed and sstuff" and if that really is the error you get) |
| 15:53.34 | babilen | bittin: for fluxbox and icewm (both!) |
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| 15:53.54 | bittin | http://www.pastebin.com/KGb5b7cy |
| 15:53.59 | bittin | thats my xorg.conf |
| 15:54.01 | babilen | bittin: "cat ~/.xsession-errors" does not yield a result? |
| 15:54.08 | bittin | no |
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| 15:54.46 | babilen | bittin: Try without an xorg conf or create files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ -- /msg dpkg empty xorg.conf -- /msg dpkg xorg.conf.d |
| 15:55.00 | babilen | bittin: so it does yield a result? |
| 15:55.06 | bittin | http://www.pastebin.com/vb2K2MXs there is the xorg.log |
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| 15:55.34 | babilen | bittin: OK, *where* do you get the X_ServTransSocketUnixCreate Listner: Failed and sstuff error and is this the *exact* error you get? |
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| 15:56.19 | babilen | bittin: Ok, X is fine (but I would still recommend using an empty xorg.conf and (optionally) configure single devices in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-foobar.conf |
| 15:56.21 | bittin | got Xorg to work now =) |
| 15:56.46 | babilen | bittin: Xorg was working before (remember the X :42 & sleep 5 ; DISPLAY=:42 xterm ?) |
| 15:56.55 | bittin | yes |
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| 15:57.00 | jeward | eni123: Could I get rid of this problem by switching to xfce? |
| 15:57.11 | stew | (i not sure there would be a .xsession-errors when using startx) |
| 15:57.22 | babilen | stew: i get one |
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| 15:57.39 | stew | ok |
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| 15:58.00 | babilen | stew: Which does not mean that the fiel should definitely be there. |
| 15:58.14 | stew | yeah, i'm not sure |
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| 15:58.34 | DjAngo23 | Hey everyone. Is it possible to make every subdirectory of /var/www/ match with dirname.localhost ? |
| 15:58.41 | babilen | bittin: brb |
| 15:58.59 | bittin | ah |
| 15:59.02 | bittin | now i know what problem is |
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| 15:59.48 | chrisb | i see a double login when i login from a tty1, tty2 etc. on debian testing. why? |
| 16:00.05 | chrisb | the output of last shows it |
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| 16:00.19 | abrotman | are you executing another shell from your profile ? |
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| 16:00.45 | chrisb | abrotman: thanks for responding. i run bash, but i'll check my profile |
| 16:01.03 | abrotman | chrisb: use ps .. see what processes belong to you |
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| 16:03.40 | chrisb | abrotman: the first login is zero time duration, only the second indicated login clocks time. but i only login once |
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| 16:04.24 | faradina | hi guys, anyone ever get google voice work with plain alsa ? |
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| 16:05.04 | babilen | bittin: hmm? |
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| 16:05.25 | bittin | i failed at .xinitrc becouse my home dir was full :p |
| 16:05.44 | jeward | How do I enable console vnc in xfce4? |
| 16:06.00 | karlpinc | When making partitions with parted how do I specify a partition type of lvm? |
| 16:06.14 | karlpinc | (lenny at the moment.) |
| 16:06.28 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: lvm is not a partition type. Make it a linux partition. |
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| 16:07.03 | stew | LVM is partition type 8e |
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| 16:07.15 | bittin | somone know a light linux musicplayer with gui? |
| 16:07.37 | karlpinc | I thought there was a type, but parted does not seem to let me set with numbers, does it? |
| 16:07.40 | chrisb | abrotman: .profile, .bash_profile don't execute any new shell |
| 16:08.15 | babilen | bittin: audacious |
| 16:08.25 | bittin | thx :) |
| 16:08.26 | karlpinc | I am under the impression that parted is the "best" tool.... |
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| 16:08.37 | stew | karlpinc: i'm not sure anyting actually cares about the partition type and you can always change it later |
| 16:08.51 | bittin | will wget when pidgin is done |
| 16:08.59 | bittin | apt-get i mean |
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| 16:09.33 | karlpinc | stew: But then I have to use "something else" too. :-P (Having a partition type is nice for file -s, for when I break a box and don't fix it for months and months.) |
| 16:09.57 | chrisb | abrotman: ps shows -bash on tty1 properly |
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| 16:10.46 | chrisb | abrotman: also, pts/0 pts/1 etc do not show that behavior on opening a term |
| 16:11.02 | zoom | hi, i need to go back a previous version of Xorg (like to a 6-month-old version), how can i do that? |
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| 16:11.29 | manhunter | hi |
| 16:11.33 | chrisb | does anyone running debian testing see this behavior? output of last |
| 16:11.45 | manhunter | is there any iso for debian sid ? |
| 16:12.06 | stew | manhunter: /msg dpkg sid iso |
| 16:12.07 | karlpinc | Ah, the parted "set" command seems to change the type to lvm. (Odd the way they did this.) |
| 16:12.40 | karlpinc | manhunter: Sid is not a release. |
| 16:12.51 | stew | sid is a release |
| 16:13.02 | karlpinc | Well, ok, but is not released. |
| 16:13.04 | manhunter | sid is a release |
| 16:13.11 | manhunter | sid is unstable release |
| 16:13.18 | stew | manhunter: install testing and upgrade |
| 16:13.50 | stew | "upgrade" |
| 16:14.02 | manhunter | stew, any other way to get sid without upgrading from netinstall ? |
| 16:14.14 | stew | manhunter: debootstrap |
| 16:14.24 | stew | manhunter: probably with an expert install |
| 16:14.46 | manhunter | stew, what is debootstrap |
| 16:15.00 | stew | !debootstrap |
| 16:15.00 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
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| 16:15.17 | stew | manhunter: are you sure you want sid? |
| 16:15.33 | stew | manhunter: because it seems like "/msg dpkg iyhtays" |
| 16:15.43 | manhunter | is it possible to install debian minimal from debian squeeze cd ? i have a debian squeeze cd iso |
| 16:15.58 | stew | yes |
| 16:16.06 | karlpinc | manhunter: Yes. You probably want expert mode. |
| 16:16.15 | chrisb | abrotman: what do you think? |
| 16:16.17 | manhunter | stew, how ? |
| 16:16.40 | stew | manhunter: when it asks you if you want "desktop system" or "web server" etcetera, you don't |
| 16:16.48 | karlpinc | manhunter: FYI, see below. |
| 16:16.54 | karlpinc | !tell manhunter about overview |
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| 16:18.14 | marmalada | hi there |
| 16:18.27 | marmalada | can i use debian for desktop pc or better then ubuntu ? |
| 16:19.06 | stew | manhunter: many people use debian for a desktop. 'better' is a matter of personal preference |
| 16:19.16 | stew | marmalada: ^^^^ |
| 16:19.24 | stew | manhunter: (not you, sorry) |
| 16:19.30 | marmalada | okay i only want to do office |
| 16:19.35 | marmalada | which operating system can you recommend me |
| 16:19.51 | manhunter | stew, np |
| 16:19.55 | marmalada | please neutral opinion |
| 16:20.01 | stew | marmalada: ask ##linux |
| 16:20.02 | marmalada | i know that i am in a debian channel |
| 16:20.06 | stew | marmalada: we recommend debian, of course |
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| 16:20.19 | marmalada | ok the origin? |
| 16:20.20 | marmalada | or ubuntu? |
| 16:20.24 | marmalada | because ubuntu is debian based too |
| 16:20.24 | manhunter | stew, how can i install minimal debian from debian xfce cd ? |
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| 16:20.30 | stew | manhunter: whichever you prefer |
| 16:20.33 | stew | manhunter: yes |
| 16:20.34 | babilen | marmalada: Debian is a good choice. Other distributions have their merits. But *we* choose Debian and I have never regretted it. |
| 16:20.45 | stew | ugh, ma<tab> is failing me |
| 16:20.48 | marmalada | okay |
| 16:20.56 | dkr | I used to recommend distrowatch.com to compare various distros, but after seeing that moronic review of squeeze I won't anymore |
| 16:21.09 | stew | manhunter: yes, you can install minimally from a xfce cd |
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| 16:21.19 | babilen | dkr: yeah |
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| 16:21.21 | karlpinc | dkr: Distrowatch is useless. It's a poll of people who look at distrowatch. Where's the sense in that? |
| 16:21.33 | manhunter | stew, how ? |
| 16:21.40 | stew | manhunter: its the same installer, its the same process |
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| 16:21.48 | marmalada | OKAY then i use debian |
| 16:21.59 | marmalada | can somebody unbann me from debian-de |
| 16:21.59 | stew | manhunter: the only difference with the xfce cd is what you get when you say "I want a desktop" which you don't want anyway |
| 16:22.04 | marmalada | a year and a half ago |
| 16:22.08 | marmalada | i was banned there |
| 16:22.21 | stew | manhunter: "/msg chanserv access #debian.de list" will get you a list of channel ops. talk to them |
| 16:22.24 | stew | marmalada: ^^^ |
| 16:22.25 | stew | UGH |
| 16:22.28 | marmalada | xD |
| 16:22.40 | marmalada | oh no i meant |
| 16:22.41 | marmalada | debian-de |
| 16:22.55 | stew | marmalada: "/msg chanserv access #debian-de list" will get you a list of channel ops. talk to them |
| 16:23.04 | dkr | stew: sort nick completion by "last spoke order", not alphabetic. :) |
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| 16:23.25 | stew | dkr: yes, that is what I do, but I've been talking to both |
| 16:23.27 | chonch_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.41 | karlpinc | I'm not so sure I like parted. It does not seem to reserve the first 64 sectors. I'm never sure what they're there for, execpt sector 0, but there seems to be some sort of "standard" for msdos partition tables and the other tools seem to enforce something. I'd hate to have something break. (And I can't recall if it's 64 sectors, or 63....) |
| 16:24.11 | stew | those sectors are where grub stage 1.5 goes, isn't it? |
| 16:24.18 | karlpinc | Or is it a matter of the way parted prints sectors? |
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| 16:24.23 | eBittin | found a great wiki that helped me http://mac.linux.be |
| 16:24.31 | eBittin | but props to babilen also |
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| 16:24.41 | karlpinc | stew: That sounds right. (I don't want to have to think about it.....) |
| 16:25.00 | karlpinc | Maybe I'll quit parted and see what the table looks like with another tool.... |
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| 16:27.16 | manhunter | bye |
| 16:27.20 | karlpinc | Hmm. No, it's not how it prints the table. :-P (I guess I need a "I'm stuped, help me." mode. :-P |
| 16:27.25 | marmalada | Last question |
| 16:27.28 | marmalada | I have got 4 gb rams |
| 16:27.33 | marmalada | should i use 32 or 64 bit of debian |
| 16:27.34 | marmalada | then |
| 16:27.37 | marmalada | thanks |
| 16:27.39 | marmalada | s |
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| 16:30.04 | xro | hi, i have a basic question... What is the way if i need: a directory owned by 3 groups? |
| 16:30.19 | stew | xro: you use extended acls |
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| 16:30.55 | arran-g | stew: can you not have groups be members of a group? |
| 16:31.03 | stew | arran-g: you cannot |
| 16:31.16 | arran-g | right |
| 16:31.24 | stew | was that a quiz? :) |
| 16:31.33 | arran-g | haha |
| 16:31.42 | arran-g | next Q! |
| 16:31.50 | petemc | how many pits in a pear? |
| 16:32.00 | karlpinc | xro: The wiki has a Permissions page. |
| 16:32.01 | rafuch0 | what means -r flag in the command groupadd? |
| 16:32.10 | rafuch0 | the help says create a system account.... |
| 16:32.18 | xro | karlpinc, i'm looking for |
| 16:32.35 | xro | thanks for the answer |
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| 16:32.48 | stew | rafuch0: it changes which range of ids it chooses from |
| 16:33.23 | rafuch0 | it changes the GID stew ? |
| 16:33.45 | stew | rafuch0: yes, if you say you are creating a system group it would be in the 100-500 range, otherwise it would be in the 1000+ range |
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| 16:34.09 | rafuch0 | OHHHH thanks stew |
| 16:34.11 | stew | rafuch0: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2.2 |
| 16:34.21 | stew | 100-999 i guess |
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| 16:35.07 | Bartzy|work | Best way to combine two files (one after the other) to a third file is 'cat file1 file2 > file3' ? |
| 16:35.11 | rafuch0 | nice.... thanks for that link |
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| 16:35.42 | stew | Bartzy|work: sure |
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| 16:37.43 | xro | i'm sorry but i dont find the doc about extended permission on the debian wiki.... |
| 16:38.01 | stew | i don't think there is any there |
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| 16:38.30 | stew | xro: you could search the wiki for setfacl i suppose |
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| 16:39.25 | fnordperfect | Hi! I'm having trouble resizing(growing) an ext4 file system. It was created with Ubuntu and has flex_bg enabled. Is there a way to remove it? |
| 16:39.56 | fnordperfect | resize2fs refuses to handle it with that flag set. |
| 16:40.07 | peleg | Hey there; I need your generous help. For some reason, after upgrading some packages, imapproxy will not set anymore. Insetead, aptitude says: "Starting IMAP proxy: invoke-rc.d: initscript imapproxy, action "start" failed." |
| 16:40.38 | stew | peleg: try "bash -x /etc/init.d/imapproxy start" and see what happens before it quits |
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| 16:41.54 | arnie-b | how can i get rid of this error in cron log? |
| 16:41.59 | arnie-b | PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/mhash.so' - |
| 16:42.03 | arnie-b | +/usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/mhash.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown |
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| 16:42.37 | arnie-b | seems to be a long standing bug, but i can't figure out how to fix it |
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| 16:43.57 | peleg | stew, thanks. Actually, nothing is written after that last line: Starting IMAP proxy: + start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile=/var/run/imapproxy.pid --exec /usr/sbin/imapproxyd -- -f /etc/imapproxy.conf. Maybe it is ok now, then? hmm. |
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| 16:44.35 | stew | arran-g: where did mhash.so come from. that doesn't appear to be in debian |
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| 16:45.11 | stew | peleg: i'd try running "/usr/sbin/imapproxyd -f /etc/imapproxy.conf" by hand to see if that tells you anything |
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| 16:45.55 | troulouliou | hi what is the best prog in stable rpos to cut an mp3 based on a cue file |
| 16:46.00 | arnie-b | i don't know, that's the message i'm getting mailed to me by cron log every half an hour |
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| 16:47.08 | stew | arran-g: seems to me that your php configuration refers to a shared library that is no lnoger available |
| 16:47.09 | DotHack | im trying to verify the signatures send by the security team but i always get gpg: BAD signature from "Moritz Muehlenhoff <jmm@debian.org>" |
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| 16:50.10 | arnie-b | troulouliou: try mp3splt |
| 16:50.26 | troulouliou | arnie-b: thanks |
| 16:50.35 | stew | troulouliou: there should be no such program in the repositories, since we don't have mp3 authoring software |
| 16:50.37 | arnie-b | never used it, but seems to do what you want |
| 16:50.51 | arnie-b | debian.org says it's in stable ? |
| 16:51.10 | troulouliou | stew: ho ok |
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| 16:51.53 | neglesaks | how much space do you guys usually assign to your / when formattign a new drive? (excludign /home and swap) |
| 16:51.59 | troulouliou | stew: i have the non -free if is related / i m on stable |
| 16:52.07 | stew | troulouliou: no, he's right it appears to be in main |
| 16:52.10 | troulouliou | and will stay caus it is really over stable :) |
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| 16:53.30 | neglesaks | more specifically, is 16 GB overkill? |
| 16:53.36 | karlpinc | neglesaks: It depends on what you're doing and what other partitions you have. |
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| 16:53.50 | karlpinc | neglesaks: I like to use lvm so I can change my mind later. |
| 16:54.03 | arnie-b | haven't installed in a long time, but generally probably like 10GB min |
| 16:54.03 | karlpinc | neglesaks: The install guide has some recommendations. |
| 16:54.23 | arnie-b | depending on your fs configuration and what you're planning to do |
| 16:54.24 | neglesaks | karlpinc, regular desktop system with a rather large IMAP email archive and a few large program pagakes liek inkscape and gimp |
| 16:54.29 | stew | ah, i suppose it gets away with not actually having an mp3 encoder, just using a decoder |
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| 16:54.43 | karlpinc | neglesaks: Tell us what other partitions exist. |
| 16:54.50 | neglesaks | swap and /home |
| 16:55.11 | neglesaks | one moment |
| 16:55.28 | peleg | stew, it just waits a long time and tells nothing... |
| 16:56.19 | arnie-b | how big an email archive? |
| 16:56.48 | arnie-b | i'd probably offload something like that to another partition or disk, if it's dynamic at all |
| 16:57.24 | peleg | I get many of these: "Feb 23 16:55:07 debi postfix/smtpd[31264]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms" in mail.err -- might be related? |
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| 16:59.00 | neglesaks | emaila rchive is about 800 Megs at last count, but i just remembered it doesnt get saved in drives outside /home, so thats not an issue |
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| 17:01.05 | neglesaks | thank you for your suggestions. |
| 17:01.16 | c3l | why does mplayer not scale content upon resizing the window? even at fullscreen I simply get black borders. first time I ever see this is since I moved over to debian, running squeeze. any ideas? |
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| 17:02.05 | kaluva | c3l: Most common cause used to be that mplayer was using the x11 output, not the xv one. |
| 17:02.13 | arnie-b | c3l: what video output? |
| 17:02.30 | c3l | hmm, i dont know =) |
| 17:02.45 | arnie-b | change to xv like kaluva said |
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| 17:03.06 | c3l | where? some X settings? |
| 17:03.17 | kaluva | c3l: No, options. Read the manual |
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| 17:03.43 | SAngeli | Hi, I found a nice NAS server based on Debian, called OpenMediaVault. At this link, http://sourceforge.net/projects/openmediavault/files/jsl/ there is only one file jsl_0.3.0_i386.deb but do not know how to use it. Usually, I would expect (like with Openfiler or FreeNAS) an ISO or an install file that would install the entire system on the HD or USB device. What is this file? What do I have to do? Anyone can tell me? |
| 17:04.03 | c3l | what manual? I dont know where the problem is, is it mplayer that messes up something, or is it somewhere else in the system? |
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| 17:04.45 | kaluva | c3l: The manual for mplayer, of course. We just told you what the problem propably is, so now you can read yourself how to fix it. |
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| 17:06.52 | c3l | kaluva: to me it was not clear wether the cause was with mplayer, or how the system manages graphics. you cant assume I know the answer when im asking a question. but thank you, now its all sorted out |
| 17:07.07 | Guest27212 | aaaaargh, i cant downgrade xorg |
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| 17:07.29 | somiaj | why do you want to downgrade xorg? Are you running testing/unstable and the upgrade broke something? |
| 17:07.43 | Guest27212 | somiaj yes, xkb stuff is definitely broken:( |
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| 17:08.23 | Guest27212 | i only upgraded because i bought a new computer and needed xorg drivers for the vid card, now the card works but my whole X is unusuable:) |
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| 17:08.35 | danols | anyone can point me on how to read the damn octet permissions ? i.e 755 etc ? |
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| 17:08.48 | jhutchins_lt | danols: man chmod |
| 17:08.55 | stew | danols: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions |
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| 17:09.03 | Guest27212 | i have only snapshot.debian.org source line, but still apt somehow knos about the new packages |
| 17:09.04 | somiaj | Guest27212: how did you upgrade, are you running a stable system and put newer xorg files on it? |
| 17:09.27 | kaluva | c3l: Jeez, sorry. |
| 17:09.28 | somiaj | s/files/packages |
| 17:09.33 | danols | jhutchins_lt: man chmod doesn't explain |
| 17:09.35 | danols | thanks stephan48 |
| 17:09.54 | Guest27212 | somiaj i just did a apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeon (the package name is something like this), this pulled in all the other packages, i have sid (but i dont keep it up to date, only install/upgrade what isneccessary) |
| 17:10.28 | jhutchins_lt | danols: Sixth paragraph, beginning " A numeric mode ..." unless you have a different manpage. |
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| 17:11.03 | somiaj | Guest27212: Oh so you are running sid, welcome to unstable. If you have the old .deb's sitting around in /var/cache/apt/archives you can manually downgrae with dpkg |
| 17:11.30 | somiaj | Guest27212: if you don't have them sitting around, it is better you actually fix your problem (which can take a bit of searching though bugreports, google) in sid. |
| 17:11.37 | Guest27212 | somiaj i would rather use snapshot.debian.org, or is that not possible in this case? |
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| 17:11.44 | ArnoldJRimmer | when X fails to start and statrs to loop. where would it write the error log to? the only logs i can for X seem only to exist if it starts successfuly |
| 17:11.57 | danols | I do have that line jhutchins_lt that was just not clear to me |
| 17:12.01 | Guest27212 | somiaj oh, then it is a major f**k up :-/ |
| 17:12.06 | danols | thanks as well |
| 17:12.14 | stew | danols: if somehting is unclear, ask us questions |
| 17:12.17 | somiaj | Guest27212: I really don't know what snapshot.debian.org offers, looking it up. I just use sid myself, but am willing to fix things when they break. It just takes a bit of research usually |
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| 17:12.34 | Guest27212 | somiaj yes i agree, but this is not fixable (by me) |
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| 17:12.57 | stew | Guest27212: if something is broken in sid, you should be filing bugs if they dont' already exist |
| 17:13.13 | Guest27212 | stew the bug is already reported, fortunately |
| 17:13.35 | Guest27212 | stew i need to downgrade, using snapshot.debian.org, but somehow i cant:) |
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| 17:13.59 | stew | Guest27212: show us (/msg dpkg bat), use a pastebin |
| 17:14.02 | Guest27212 | using my computer is very hard in the console, links as browser etc:) |
| 17:14.32 | somiaj | Guest27212: downgrade is not a thing apt/aptitude does, you will have to do it manually with dpkg, so you'll have to go get all the packages you want, download them and manually install them and any dependencies. |
| 17:14.34 | Guest27212 | stew i think apt knows about the new packages, it wants to install new versions |
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| 17:14.50 | somiaj | Guest27212: apt has no downgrade feature and will not install older packages over newerones |
| 17:14.50 | neglesaks | another thing, does the squeeze instalerl write a GUID partition table to disks per default, as opposed to the old-style MBR? |
| 17:14.58 | Guest27212 | somiaj it will, i think |
| 17:14.59 | stew | Guest27212: yes, you'd have to explicitly say which you want |
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| 17:15.02 | stew | Guest27212: or use pinning |
| 17:15.11 | stew | somiaj: sure it will |
| 17:15.16 | eBittin | somone can tips me aout good apps to install on a Debian PPC box? |
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| 17:15.34 | somiaj | Guest27212: in the future it is always best on sid to not use 'apt-get clean' and keep all the old debs in /var/cache/apt/archives so you can use them to downgrade if an upgrade breaks something and you don't want to wait for the bug to get fixed |
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| 17:16.22 | somiaj | Guest27212: I personally use 'apt-get autoclean' after a dist-upgrade in sid and I have tested everything and know my system is working (that way I dno't have years of backlog packages floating around, but I have the most current back packages I can downgrade to the next upgrade I do |
| 17:16.23 | Guest27212 | somiaj i see, but with big packages like x i dont know whichpackage causes the regression, i need to downgrade LOTS of packages |
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| 17:16.57 | nHarzilei | hi |
| 17:16.57 | somiaj | of course, you need to chase down the depedencies and figure it out. apt has no downgrade feature, upgrading is a one way street |
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| 17:17.07 | Guest27212 | somiaj i mean i will happily remove ALL xorg packages, then install them again |
| 17:17.17 | Guest27212 | (install the older versions) |
| 17:17.37 | Guest27212 | that way i dont have to stumble around installing debs by hand etc |
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| 17:18.38 | somiaj | well snapshot.debian.org seems like it would be able to do that for you with correct sources/pinning or what not. Its not how I have done it (and I have had to downgrade tons of stuff durning some strange sid changes) |
| 17:18.59 | neglesaks | i assume its a yes, but I am not sure. |
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| 17:19.18 | Guest27212 | somiaj im now trying to set my sources list to the stable release and intsall X from that:) |
| 17:19.24 | nHarzilei | https://bugzilla.kernel.org/attachment.cgi?id=24292&action=edit still repeats on my system (i.e. bug-positive). the assigned person for this bug seems to have (been) retired from linux-acpi. any idea if filing a bug in debian would maybe help to finally get https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9147 revisited? |
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| 17:20.03 | neglesaks | ill find out and report back here, afk |
| 17:20.39 | somiaj | Guest27212: don't do that, the difference between sid and stable is big enough that you will only cause more problems. |
| 17:20.56 | JyZyXEL | how do i print a unicode character if i only know its hex? |
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| 17:21.28 | Guest27212 | somiaj, my sid is soo old that stable packages are newer i think:) |
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| 17:22.06 | stew | JyZyXEL: you can use printf, for example "printf '\x44'" would print a "D" |
| 17:22.13 | stew | Guest27212: then you should be upgrading to stable |
| 17:22.25 | JyZyXEL | stew: mine is 0xefbca5 |
| 17:22.40 | SAngeli | anyone has had the opportunity to read my question? |
| 17:22.42 | SAngeli | Hi, I found a nice NAS server based on Debian, called OpenMediaVault. At this link, http://sourceforge.net/projects/openmediavault/files/jsl/ there is only one file jsl_0.3.0_i386.deb but do not know how to use it. Usually, I would expect (like with Openfiler or FreeNAS) an ISO or an install file that would install the entire system on the HD or USB device. What is this file? What do I have to do? Anyone can tell me? |
| 17:22.42 | Guest27212 | stew i will upgrade any package that X needs |
| 17:22.54 | kaluva | nHarzilei: Yeah, that could help. |
| 17:22.55 | stew | JyZyXEL: printf '\xef\xbc\xa5' |
| 17:23.24 | kaluva | nHarzilei: But what a strange bug. Do you know of anybody else seeing it too? |
| 17:23.28 | JyZyXEL | its a cute little E letter :3 |
| 17:23.43 | jhutchins_lt | SAngeli: You are probably best off looking for help on the openmediavault mailing lists and other resources linked from the sourceforge site. |
| 17:24.06 | stew | Guest27212: if you are going to be mixing packages older than stable with packages newer than stable, expect more problems |
| 17:24.07 | SAngeli | jhutchins, I do not believe it exists such a Chanel |
| 17:24.19 | somiaj | Guest27212: well in the future when doing a major upgrade (cause of need of a single package), should just upgrade the whole thing, though lots of dependences are >= some version, if things drift to far (talking years) there could be other bugs that most would have never seen hiding in there. |
| 17:24.25 | jhutchins_lt | SAngeli: No, a project that small wouldn't have an IRC channel. |
| 17:24.32 | SAngeli | jhutchins, As a matter of fact it does not exist |
| 17:24.55 | nHarzilei | kaluva: well, when you google for "atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0xe0 on" theres quite a number of hits |
| 17:24.57 | somiaj | Guest27212: if your system is older than test, upgrade to testing and wait for it to stableize, or if you awnt sid go all the way, none of this 'mixing' unless you want to trace down problems no one really cares about. |
| 17:24.58 | SAngeli | So, any way you can advice me by seying this file to download? |
| 17:25.13 | SAngeli | jhutchins, I do not have any other clue |
| 17:25.34 | jhutchins_lt | http://sourceforge.net/project/memberlist.php?group_id=291923 |
| 17:25.58 | nHarzilei | kaluva: problem is this might be a problem of vintage laptops and other people may just have moved on. i'm broke but i don't consider an x40 too bad for 'work' |
| 17:26.08 | jhutchins_lt | SAngeli: I wouldn't recommend trying to use this software if there is no support for it. |
| 17:26.12 | SAngeli | jhutchins, thank you. Did not look at this |
| 17:26.22 | SAngeli | I know. |
| 17:26.25 | nHarzilei | kaluva: i don't know anybody personally |
| 17:26.29 | SAngeli | thank you for the tip jhutchins |
| 17:26.37 | kaluva | nHarzilei: Neither do I consider my T43 old; I'll have to check that bug |
| 17:26.40 | nHarzilei | kaluva: apart from me |
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| 17:27.12 | kaluva | nHarzilei: Yeah, of course. I just was interested in whether there are other people seeing it too |
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| 17:27.57 | Guest27212 | okay i made a mistake, but know i removed all the X packages and i still cant install X from snapshots.debian.org, it is an apt problem (by that i mean i cant use the apt tool effectively) |
| 17:28.17 | stew | Guest27212: /msg dpkg bat |
| 17:28.24 | Guest27212 | stew, checking |
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| 17:29.41 | Guest27212 | stew huhi dont have X to copy&paste error messages into a firefox window |
| 17:30.28 | stew | !pastewithoutx |
| 17:30.28 | dpkg | Install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://paste.debian.net/ ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste, or ask me about <paste2pastebin pipe> |
| 17:30.29 | iwontbecreative | pastebinit? |
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| 17:30.47 | Guest27212 | what i get now, i try apt-get install fglrx-driver then apt says "Depends: xserver-xorg (>..) but it is not going to be installed" |
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| 17:31.56 | Seppoz | i still cant login my grip system :( any idea what could prevent a login for any user? |
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| 17:32.19 | somiaj | Guest27212: if your packages/sources are broken apt cannot figure out what to do, doing things manually with dpkg will alivate things, try to find the package and install them one at a time until you run out of errors |
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| 17:32.37 | Seppoz | i respawned the terminal to the serial port, i see the login but whenever i wanna login with any user it always gets me incorrect login |
| 17:33.04 | somiaj | Guest27212: so go grab the right xserver-xorg package, when that errors because of missing dependences, go grab those, eventally you will get enough stuff to get your system working again, just takes time and frustration |
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| 17:33.30 | stew | however, this fetching of dependencies is really what apt is all about, there should be no reason to do it manually |
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| 17:34.18 | stew | Seppoz: what is a "grip system"? |
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| 17:34.29 | Seppoz | emdebian |
| 17:34.43 | Seppoz | http://www.emdebian.org/grip/ |
| 17:34.47 | stew | Seppoz: ah, you might get more help on #emdebian on irc.debian.org |
| 17:35.10 | stew | Seppoz: check /var/log/auth.log if you haven't already |
| 17:35.14 | Seppoz | ahh thank you |
| 17:35.28 | Seppoz | id idnt, will do that now!, thanks |
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| 17:36.10 | Guest27212 | stew hehe, i will die first rather than grab packages by hand:) |
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| 17:39.29 | Seppoz | stew: Oct 30 02:28:47 mini2440 login[1141]: FAILED LOGIN (3) on '/dev/ttySAC0' FOR 'root', Authentication failure |
| 17:39.45 | Seppoz | Oct 30 02:28:33 mini2440 login[1141]: FAILED LOGIN (2) on '/dev/ttySAC0' FOR 'emdebian', Authentication failure |
| 17:40.08 | Seppoz | wha does that tells exactly? that the passes didnt match? |
| 17:40.36 | stew | Seppoz: it doesn't tell much, nothting that specific, though password not matching would be my first suspicioun |
| 17:40.49 | Seppoz | i did change that a few times |
| 17:40.51 | Seppoz | with no lluck |
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| 17:41.29 | mad_muppet | I have dual installed winxp and lenny official amd64 netinst binary-1. I can access the net using woosh wireless using xp but am having trouble getting it to work using debian. what I have tried so far is to install pppoe but there is no package by that name .. so I tried to install ppp. then I went into the pap-secrets and wrote my id and password details .. then copied /peers/provider into /peers/woosh .. then I went into the /peers/p |
| 17:42.30 | mad_muppet | sorry copied details into peers/woosh then tried pon woosh |
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| 17:44.14 | mad_muppet | I am using an ethernet cable to connect to the modem and the computer address is 192.168.1.10 while the modems address is 192.168.1.254 |
| 17:44.44 | karlpinc | mad_muppet: There is a pppoe package but you're not on the net to get it. |
| 17:45.16 | mad_muppet | karlpinc: could I download it burn it and reboot and install? |
| 17:45.19 | karlpinc | mad_muppet: The sane thing to do is download the netinstall image and boot from that and get into rescue mode. |
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| 17:45.43 | karlpinc | mad_muppet: The netinstall has pppoe and should auto-configure, more or less. |
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| 17:45.53 | karlpinc | mad_muppet: From there you fix things, but.... |
| 17:46.32 | karlpinc | mad_muppet: Have you got anything on there you care about? You might be better served by getting the squeeze netinstall (6.0) and just re-installing. That way there's no fixing needed. |
| 17:47.08 | karlpinc | mad_muppet: Otherwise after you fix things you'll want to upgrade to squeeze by following the release notes. |
| 17:47.14 | mad_muppet | karlpinc:I have the debian 5.0.0 lenny official amd64 it didnt give me an option to use pppoe when I installed .. no its a brand new install |
| 17:47.28 | mad_muppet | so I dont mind trying again |
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| 17:48.03 | karlpinc | mad_muppet: We recommend the netinstall option for many reasons. One of which is that when you're done you're left with a box that gets it's software from the net, not a cd. (So you don't have to change it to tell it to go to the net.) |
| 17:48.12 | karlpinc | mad_muppet: I'd re-install with the netinstall. |
| 17:48.21 | karlpinc | mad_muppet: You're also new to debian, so see below. |
| 17:48.28 | karlpinc | !tell mad_muppet about overview |
| 17:48.49 | mad_muppet | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.0 "Lenny" - Official amd64 NETINST Binary-1 is the cd I burned after downloading |
| 17:49.08 | karlpinc | mad_muppet: Squeeze, 6.0, is out now and is the new stable release with much newer software. |
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| 17:50.02 | karlpinc | mad_muppet: It also has a newer installer that might do a better job. See also if the install guide has any info about pppoe. (IIRC I did it long ago and had no problems, but that was a while ago.) |
| 17:50.08 | karlpinc | !tell mad_muppet about ig |
| 17:50.12 | mad_muppet | karlpinc: Ill try that and see what happens ..:p hope the world doesnt end .. |
| 17:50.36 | karlpinc | mad_muppet: Come here if you've install problems. (The only issues could be missing non-free firmware.) |
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| 17:51.10 | karlpinc | mad_muppet: There's firmware instructions in the install guide, need be, and unoffical installers with such firmware. |
| 17:51.20 | mad_muppet | karlpinc: thanks Im off to grab squeeze |
| 17:51.29 | karlpinc | !tell mad_muppet about firmware images |
| 17:52.15 | nHarzilei | thinks many people will end up with a pair of squeeze cds, downloading the unofficial cd with blobs after getting the first -.- |
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| 17:52.47 | tharkun | Gentlemen i've been compiling some stuff for different versions of debian. How long should i keep the lenny chroot around? |
| 17:52.49 | abrotman | or maybe they'll be smart and do the install, then grab the package and put it on a USB drive and install the non-free firmware if they need it |
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| 17:53.12 | erry | Can you help me block an IP with iptraf |
| 17:53.14 | stew | or maybe they'll be even smarter and stop buying the crap that needs non-free firmware :) |
| 17:53.31 | dvs | stew: That's a tall order. |
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| 17:54.12 | buntunub | how do you add in a kernel patch |
| 17:54.14 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: A year. |
| 17:54.16 | stew | erry: so you want to use iptraf to watch traffic, but you want it to not report traffic from one ip? |
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| 17:54.21 | buntunub | when compiling a custom kernel |
| 17:54.26 | erry | No |
| 17:54.31 | erry | I want to blockj it from accessing the site |
| 17:54.32 | erry | Like ban them |
| 17:54.35 | erry | like now? |
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| 17:54.49 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: is there an RSS or something i can link to so i get an automatic notification on news about that? |
| 17:55.12 | stew | erry: iptraf is traffic monitoring, you'd want iptables: "iptables -I INPUT -s 1.2.3.4 -j REJECT" where 1.2.3.4 is their ip |
| 17:55.17 | erry | Yes |
| 17:55.17 | erry | iptables |
| 17:55.19 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: Dunno, but figure oldstable is supposed to be supported for one year after stable releases. |
| 17:55.19 | erry | thank you |
| 17:55.34 | karlpinc | tharkun: About a year until lenny goes out of security support? |
| 17:55.39 | stew | erry: note that the above is temporary and would not survive a reboot |
| 17:55.49 | YaManicKill | i'm using the binary firefox 4 from mozilla, got it installed in my path and everything, but flash doesn't work with it. it works fine with chrome, does anyone know where i can stick the flash lib tfor it to work? |
| 17:55.50 | erry | Can i make it perm? |
| 17:55.59 | karlpinc | tharkun: The debian announce list. |
| 17:56.05 | Corin | I have an issue with mounting/unmounting. My external hard drive will mount but it won't let me unmount it without using sudo and it won't let me mount my other partitions without using sudo either. |
| 17:56.12 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: Officially 5 February 2012 if I understand it correctly. |
| 17:56.34 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: Unless we get another stable release before then. ;-) |
| 17:56.35 | Corin | What group do I add to my profile to be able to mount/unmount without sudo? |
| 17:56.38 | diphthong | so about 5 times out of 10, i have to reboot to get my wireless interface to work after Suspend my laptop. how can i get around that? is there some module i can unload? |
| 17:56.47 | stew | erry: you can use iptables-save to save rules to a file, and restore them with iptables-restore. i recommend doing the restore in a pre-up line in /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces) |
| 17:56.54 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: That would be close to miraculous. |
| 17:57.01 | tharkun | karlpinc: thanks |
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| 17:57.11 | erry | ah i see |
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| 17:57.33 | karlpinc | Corin: I belive you need to be in the plugdev group. |
| 17:57.34 | dvs | erry: wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 17:57.44 | erry | thanks |
| 17:57.50 | Corin | karlpinc: I am. |
| 17:57.51 | karlpinc | Corin: Debian policy (and perhaps the wiki) have a list of the groups and their purpose. |
| 17:57.51 | erry | Can i do it for the whole like |
| 17:57.52 | erry | um |
| 17:57.54 | erry | for example |
| 17:57.58 | erry | ban 1.2.3.% |
| 17:58.04 | karlpinc | Corin: Did you logout and back in so it takes effect? |
| 17:58.15 | Corin | plugdev was there by default. |
| 17:58.19 | dvs | erry: 1.2.3.0/24 |
| 17:58.22 | erry | ah |
| 17:58.28 | karlpinc | erry: Or use something like ferm to make writing of the rules easy. |
| 17:58.35 | Corin | Also, I looked in Debian policy and couldn't find the group purposes. |
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| 17:59.25 | karlpinc | Corin: Drat. I swear it was there, but it's not. |
| 17:59.35 | stew | Corin: they would be documented in /usr/share/doc/base-passwd |
| 17:59.46 | Corin | Thanks. |
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| 18:03.06 | karlpinc | Corin: Doesn't plugdev want pmount, not mount? |
| 18:03.26 | Corin | karlpinc: Can you rephrase that? |
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| 18:03.55 | karlpinc | IIRC, could be wrong, pmount is used by users to mount/umount. (There must be a pumount?) |
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| 18:04.25 | karlpinc | Corin: Access to pmount is controlled by plugdev group membership. |
| 18:05.14 | Corin | I have plugdev though. |
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| 18:05.58 | Corin | When I try to mount via dolphin, it says "An error occured while accessing '<Partition>', the system responded: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.PermissionDenied: Refusing to mount device /dev/sdax for uid=1000." |
| 18:06.00 | plm | hi all |
| 18:06.10 | Corin | Does that help? :/ |
| 18:06.15 | plm | anyone know a free pdf editor in for debian? |
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| 18:09.34 | jhutchins_lt | plm: pdf's are designed to be uneditable, but there are a few things that can do it. |
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| 18:09.53 | jhutchins_lt | plm: I think I read that libreoffice will be able to edit some pdf's. |
| 18:10.16 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: umm |
| 18:10.27 | jhutchins_lt | plm: You're supposed to edit thesource file and reconvert, meaning that you are the one who has the source file. |
| 18:10.35 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: Yes? |
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| 18:13.07 | Fire-_-Fly | hello everyone! |
| 18:13.12 | jhutchins_lt | ,info pdfedit |
| 18:13.14 | judd | Package pdfedit (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: Editor for manipulating PDF documents. Version: 0.4.5-1; Size: 2065.8k; Installed: 7036k; Homepage: http://pdfedit.petricek.net/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/pdfedit |
| 18:14.23 | Fire-_-Fly | can anyone tell me how I can force X to use a specific monitor resolution? I need to set it to 1280 x 1024 @ 60Hz |
| 18:14.47 | valdyn | Fire-_-Fly: try xrandr |
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| 18:15.12 | plm | jhutchins_lt: I has used pdfedit and works fine :-) |
| 18:15.23 | dkr | Fire-_-Fly: grandr is also nifty. gnome applet frontend to xrandr |
| 18:15.29 | Fire-_-Fly | where's the system is allowing me at most 1024x768 which was set when the system was installed with 1024x768 monitor |
| 18:15.36 | jhutchins_lt | It does depend on the file - some pdf's are more resistant than others. |
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| 18:16.19 | MindWarper | inst unity going to use wayland ? |
| 18:16.26 | valdyn | MindWarper: no |
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| 18:16.50 | MindWarper | no :( |
| 18:16.56 | valdyn | MindWarper: unless you mean "in a few years" |
| 18:17.05 | valdyn | MindWarper: but even then it might not |
| 18:19.40 | Fire-_-Fly | valdyn, what argument do I pass to xrandr to set specific resolution? |
| 18:19.56 | Fire-_-Fly | dkr, I'm installing grandr |
| 18:20.05 | valdyn | Fire-_-Fly: when you run "xrandr" you get all available resolutions listed as far as i know |
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| 18:20.36 | MindWarper | all available so to speak |
| 18:20.46 | Fire-_-Fly | yes, it shows a list and the highest available resolution is 1024*768 |
| 18:21.00 | MindWarper | oops ther you go |
| 18:21.04 | valdyn | Fire-_-Fly: ok, that implies theres *some* configuration imposing that limit |
| 18:21.09 | Fire-_-Fly | but my monitor's native resolution is 1280x1024 |
| 18:21.33 | valdyn | Fire-_-Fly: that configuration might be in xorg.conf but it might also by configuration retrieved from the monitor or gfx card |
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| 18:21.54 | valdyn | Fire-_-Fly: now first thing you should read /var/log/Xorg.0.log to find *why* some mode is rejected |
| 18:22.24 | MindWarper | lets just force it |
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| 18:23.12 | MindWarper | cant one just force the resolution one whants/needs |
| 18:23.22 | valdyn | MindWarper: no |
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| 18:23.32 | MindWarper | BS |
| 18:23.33 | valdyn | MindWarper: not that simple and thats a good thing |
| 18:23.43 | MindWarper | its baaad |
| 18:23.47 | Kurin | How do I recover from a corrupted BDB in Squeeze? I can't find what package provides db_recover |
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| 18:24.12 | valdyn | Fire-_-Fly: lets see the file if you cannot make sense of it |
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| 18:24.29 | Fire-_-Fly | valdyn, just a sec |
| 18:24.58 | Fire-_-Fly | what's the pastebin link for this channel? |
| 18:24.58 | valdyn | MindWarper: it can damage your monitor, thats why its good |
| 18:25.03 | valdyn | !paste |
| 18:25.03 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 18:25.33 | MindWarper | i shouldnt damage the monitor |
| 18:26.20 | MindWarper | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:26.45 | MindWarper | i think its FFC rule |
| 18:26.56 | MindWarper | FCC |
| 18:26.58 | valdyn | MindWarper: the fcc is only in one country |
| 18:27.31 | karlpinc | MindWarper: Sheesh, the original IBM PC monitor would catch on fire if you drove the video card wrong. |
| 18:27.46 | MindWarper | so why almost evereything i see has the FCClogo and im not in th usa |
| 18:28.17 | valdyn | MindWarper: because this is a globalized world and because youre appearantly not seeing that much |
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| 18:29.19 | MindWarper | if he knows that the monitor suports it why cant he force that on the softwaer ? |
| 18:29.30 | MindWarper | thats just CRAZY |
| 18:29.41 | Fire-_-Fly | valdyn, http://paste.debian.net/108645/ |
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| 18:29.46 | valdyn | MindWarper: no one said that you cannot force it |
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| 18:30.43 | valdyn | Fire-_-Fly: how do you know that your gfx card can do higher resolutions? |
| 18:30.48 | themill | Kurin: it's called dbX.Y_recover where X.Y is the version number of bdb that you're using. |
| 18:31.16 | Fire-_-Fly | valdyn, yes, it worked on windows |
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| 18:31.16 | neglesaks | Corin, what filesystem format is the HD or partitoons in question? |
| 18:31.21 | MindWarper | thinks its a clever sheme to get people to by LCDS |
| 18:31.39 | nHarzilei | MindWarper: what people try to tell you that the redundancy in the modeline setup wrt to the valid ranges is a good sanity check |
| 18:32.02 | nHarzilei | MindWarper: the old modeline howtos still apply. just read one of those and you should be fine. |
| 18:32.06 | valdyn | Fire-_-Fly: show your xorg.conf too please, if it exists |
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| 18:32.45 | valdyn | Fire-_-Fly: i can see that the intel gfx driver is not reporting any mode above 1024x768, so far |
| 18:32.50 | stew | MindWarper: fcc compliance is just that it doesn't produce radio interference. the fcc doesn't care what happens to your monitor as long as its not creating RFI |
| 18:32.53 | Fire-_-Fly | valdyn, it doesn't (I looked in /etc/X11/) |
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| 18:33.37 | MindWarper | so mabey its a CE rule but there suych a thing |
| 18:34.04 | Kurin | themill: thanks |
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| 18:34.53 | nHarzilei | MindWarper: i can tell you that theres no regulation that prevents you from shooting yourself in the foot |
| 18:35.03 | MindWarper | besides xrandir sucks |
| 18:35.53 | valdyn | Fire-_-Fly: which debian release is this btw? |
| 18:36.03 | MindWarper | suicide is against the law did you know that ? but thats intirelly another subjet |
| 18:36.33 | Fire-_-Fly | valdyn, erm, it's not debian, it's fedora |
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| 18:36.47 | valdyn | Fire-_-Fly: duh |
| 18:37.47 | MindWarper | try that shoot in the foot stunt in the army and see wwere it gets you |
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| 18:38.32 | Fire-_-Fly | valdyn, I was hoping that wouldn't be an issue |
| 18:38.58 | stew | Fire-_-Fly: it is. please try #fedora or ##linux |
| 18:39.05 | valdyn | Fire-_-Fly: it might not be, but who knows |
| 18:39.27 | MindWarper | besiades what part of the GNU *use at your own ric* dont you get ? |
| 18:39.29 | oxi | I tried dd if=/dev/disk1 conv=sync,noerror bs=512 | md5 with 3 different USB sticks. Two 4GB sticks always return the same hash. But an expensive 64GB stick returns a different hash everytime I read it. I have no clue why? Does anyone have a possible explanation for this? |
| 18:40.05 | valdyn | Fire-_-Fly: i would run xorgconfig and after that possibly modify and/or create a monitor section that reflects your actual specs |
| 18:40.12 | rozie | fake 64GB? |
| 18:40.32 | thewanderer1 | oxi: hm, crappy hardware? |
| 18:40.51 | valdyn | Fire-_-Fly: or just use "xrandr --newmode" |
| 18:40.53 | oxi | thewanderer1: it's brand new ... hmm |
| 18:40.59 | SerajewelKS | what configuration would i need to set to enable SMTP authentication for sieve redirect rules? currently, when a redirect rule is hit it looks like sieve sends the message back to the last SMTP server in the chain with no authentication. |
| 18:41.10 | SerajewelKS | this breaks in my scenario, since my server requires authentication |
| 18:41.14 | oxi | thewanderer1: brand new usb stick for about $250 |
| 18:41.21 | valdyn | Fire-_-Fly: im a little outdated on my X foo, so xrandr --newmode might be really good, i wouldnt know |
| 18:41.24 | MindWarper | theres no crappy hardware only crappy drivers |
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| 18:42.00 | SerajewelKS | there's plenty of crappy hardware |
| 18:42.21 | MindWarper | nothing a good driver wont make better |
| 18:42.27 | valdyn | like my atom board that cant even do 1024x786 without blur |
| 18:42.31 | SerajewelKS | sorry, that's demonstrably incorrect |
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| 18:42.40 | stew | lets just drop it and stick to debian, please |
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| 18:43.05 | pigdude | why does `aptitude search jabber` not find mcabber, when its description is 'Small Jabber console client' ? |
| 18:43.05 | stew | i can't imagine this leading to a useful discussion |
| 18:43.13 | pigdude | should i not use aptitude's search command? |
| 18:43.18 | pigdude | is there one that searches instead? |
| 18:43.21 | SerajewelKS | stew: but someone is wrong on the internet! if i don't correct them they'll keep being wrong! |
| 18:43.23 | valdyn | pigdude: you should read the documentation probably |
| 18:43.29 | MindWarper | ok then so crappy hardware lets just drop support |
| 18:43.31 | valdyn | pigdude: apt-cache search jabber does what you expect |
| 18:43.34 | MindWarper | nice ! |
| 18:43.41 | stew | pigdude: aptitude search '~djabber' |
| 18:43.50 | thewanderer1 | oxi: make a filesystem spanning the whole device, write a big file taking up almost all the space, verify *its* checksum |
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| 18:44.04 | thewanderer1 | oxi: perhaps the block-level stuff is just flaky somewhere |
| 18:44.13 | oxi | thewanderer1: good idea, thx |
| 18:44.33 | stew | oxi: you also might see if ##hardware has any ideas |
| 18:44.37 | oxi | ok |
| 18:45.05 | stew | i would start to guess something like "bits which have never been written one way or the other have an indeterminate state", but its all guesses |
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| 18:48.27 | thewanderer1 | stew: I think all pendrives are shipped with FAT32 spanning the entire device now |
| 18:48.39 | thewanderer1 | (and disks are zeroed, no?) |
| 18:48.51 | stew | thewanderer1: i have no idea |
| 18:49.31 | thewanderer1 | heh... at least your guess sounded interesting. but you've been reading too much articles on Schrödinger :) |
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| 18:53.30 | Fire-_-Fly | valdyn, I did: xrandr | grep maximum |
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| 18:54.07 | Fire-_-Fly | valdyn, and now the result is: Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1024 x 768, maximum 4096 x 4096 |
| 18:54.17 | stew | Fire-_-Fly: this is really the wrong channel for help with fedora |
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| 18:57.10 | Fire-_-Fly | stew, sorry for bothering, it's just that these things looked same for fedora, ubuntu and debian ... I was here only because I heard debian community is more responsive |
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| 18:57.47 | quuxman | Does SEL give you the ability to permit a specific user, or users in a group to setuid to another specific user account? |
| 18:57.50 | tux0 | how can I limit a specific program from accessing the network without disabling the network interface with ifconfig? |
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| 18:57.57 | SerajewelKS | is there a way, with sieve's redirect command, to specify that the envelope sender should change from the original envelope sender to the local process' address? |
| 18:58.35 | SerajewelKS | my messages are getting rejected by the final destination server because spf indicates that my box isn't a valid sender. i would rather have such messages have an envelope-sender of the sieve process so that they will be received correctly. |
| 18:58.36 | quuxman | My use case is I have a group of web users, and I want their CGI content to have the ability to de-escelate to www-data from their own user |
| 18:58.58 | Fire-_-Fly | stew, my problem might help any debian user as well, since I think this thing for ubuntu http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1112186 fits for any modern distro |
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| 18:59.24 | Wampyre | I did 'apt-get dist-upgrade' today (going from ubuntu ppc to debian ppc) There were many conflicts which I resolved by removing all the packages listed. Now my mouse is not working in xfce4. Which package do I need to reinstall to make it work? |
| 18:59.36 | SerajewelKS | tux0: you can do this per-user with iptables. i don't believe you can do so per-process, since pids are transient. |
| 18:59.42 | stew | Fire-_-Fly: try #fedora or ##linux |
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| 19:00.06 | SerajewelKS | tux0: you might be able to do this per-process with a preload library that redefines the relevant libc functions, but i'm not aware of any complete implementation that does this. |
| 19:00.27 | quuxman | or even more simply, I suppose I could setgid based on the sticky bit and group of the file... maybe? |
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| 19:01.08 | tux0 | SerajewelKS: most likely I could use selinux/grsecurity however I didn't want to go through all of that |
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| 19:01.32 | tux0 | or something similar |
| 19:01.50 | PeterNL | I have a usb nic with an RT2571WF inside, which drives should I use? It is listed on both http://wiki.debian.org/rt2500usb and http://wiki.debian.org/Wifi/rt73, and both fail in different ways... |
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| 19:02.05 | SerajewelKS | tux0: if you want to shut down all network access by a program that should be a lot easier that picking which hosts it is allowed to talk to |
| 19:02.08 | quuxman | well forget about the specifics. It would just be very handy if a non-root process could setuid to specific users |
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| 19:02.29 | quuxman | based on a configuration file like /etc/sudoers |
| 19:02.42 | SerajewelKS | quuxman: they can |
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| 19:02.57 | SerajewelKS | quuxman: write a script that performs this on its arguments and give sudo rights to that script |
| 19:03.00 | quuxman | SerajewelKS: oh cool. What are the limitations, and how do you control them? |
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| 19:03.31 | SerajewelKS | #!/bin/bash \n chown www-data "$@" |
| 19:03.40 | PeterNL | lsusb says "ID 148f:2573 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2501/RT2573 Wireless Adapter" |
| 19:03.53 | SerajewelKS | or rather, chown www-data -- "$@" |
| 19:04.03 | eBittin | somone know if there are any Debian testing 7.0 images out yet for ppc? |
| 19:04.07 | SerajewelKS | and don't forget to sanitize the arguments (make sure that the invoking user owns them, etc) |
| 19:04.14 | quuxman | SerajewelKS: that's not setuid... that's changing ownership of a file |
| 19:04.34 | SerajewelKS | quuxman: wait, you want to turn on setuid for files owned by someone else? |
| 19:04.36 | somiaj | eBittin: do you want this to install debian testing on a ppc? |
| 19:04.58 | dvs | PeterNL: you need firmware-ralink to use the rt73 module |
| 19:05.01 | quuxman | SerajewelKS: no, I'm writing a Python program, and I want to be able to call os.setuid('fooman') when the current uid is not 0 |
| 19:05.03 | stew | SerajewelKS: no, he wants a process to setuid to change the effective uid of that running process |
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| 19:05.14 | eBittin | somiaj: already done that via netboot, but want the latest iso aswell as it can be handy to have |
| 19:05.15 | SerajewelKS | oh, i see. i misread. |
| 19:05.17 | quuxman | SerajewelKS: obviously there needs to be limitations to when and what can be done with this |
| 19:05.18 | PeterNL | dvs: I have that. I have used another ralink device in this system before |
| 19:05.21 | SerajewelKS | earlier you were talking about permissions :) |
| 19:05.28 | SerajewelKS | i thought |
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| 19:05.33 | SerajewelKS | shrug, i'm tired :) |
| 19:05.57 | quuxman | SerajewelKS: I was being a little unclear... I was just talking about the specific use case |
| 19:06.12 | somiaj | eBittin: there are some tools you can create your own, but usually testing doesn't have images, and since testing has just recentally become unfrozen I doubt there is many people making them. I'd just grab squeeze |
| 19:06.18 | shamess | My IP address keys getting put on my VPS's hosts.deny list... Why would it do that? |
| 19:06.29 | quuxman | stew: is this possible? Or can only root setuid to arbitrary uids? |
| 19:06.32 | shamess | *keeps |
| 19:06.43 | somiaj | eBittin: I usually only see testing images floating around close to a release of a new stable, but squeeze recentally did that. |
| 19:06.51 | quuxman | stew: this seems to be something that would be in the domain of SEL |
| 19:06.54 | SerajewelKS | quuxman: according to the manpage, any process/user with CAP_SETUID can |
| 19:06.57 | eBittin | somiaj: yea i know ah okay |
| 19:07.13 | SerajewelKS | quuxman: but obviously you don't want to blanket-grant that to any user, because then they could theoretically setuid(0) |
| 19:07.17 | stew | quuxman: you can do this with capabilities but i'm unsure of the specifics, man capabilities |
| 19:07.27 | quuxman | stew: thanks :) |
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| 19:10.33 | antivigilante | what's the free software plugin to use |
| 19:10.35 | stevo32 | hi all! i'd just like to thank you guys for providing an awesomely stable distro |
| 19:10.52 | neglesaks | right, the debian 6.0 installer seems to install a MBR per default. |
| 19:10.57 | stevo32 | i'm about to upgrade my lenny server, and it's been very stable: |
| 19:10.59 | stevo32 | stevo32@server:~$ uptime |
| 19:10.59 | stevo32 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.03 | antivigilante | the plugin seems to be trailing openjdk |
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| 19:11.43 | PeterNL | This is what happens when I plug my device in just after unloading all rt* modules: http://pastebin.com/Wz4c6rni |
| 19:12.05 | PeterNL | I tried blacklisting both of them one at a time, and it still doesn't work |
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| 19:16.11 | somiaj | hmm, will secruity updates be provided for lenny for long? -- to the web |
| 19:16.30 | stew | somiaj: for about 1 year |
| 19:17.04 | dvs | PeterNL: Looks like it loaded rt73usb |
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| 19:17.23 | PeterNL | well, that sounds okay, but it still fails: |
| 19:17.47 | PeterNL | when I do sudo ifconfig wlan0 up; sudo iwlist wlan0 scan; it returns "Failed to read scan data : resource temporarily unavailable" |
| 19:17.53 | PeterNL | and that every time |
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| 19:18.19 | somiaj | stew: yup the internets answered me, found the FAQ..(: |
| 19:18.21 | somiaj | stew: thanks |
| 19:18.28 | gidas | how to block a MAC address via iptables.. ? |
| 19:18.37 | PeterNL | and ifup wlan0 fails as well (I did do the configuration in /etc/networking/interfaces) |
| 19:19.30 | PeterNL | and my rt28something worked, but there was a conflict in draft n versions. So I swapped it for a b/g only device |
| 19:19.35 | dvs | PeterNL: What does "sudo iwconfig" say? |
| 19:20.15 | PeterNL | dvs: http://pastebin.com/AtZptEWh |
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| 19:21.53 | Wampyre | I have a USB mouse plugged in and the laptop's touchpad, but there are no devices listed in my settings. What do I need to do to make it work? |
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| 19:22.30 | somiaj | talking about working in xorg, I think modern versions of xorg will detect them via udev |
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| 19:22.40 | joe6 | Wampyre, what does "lspci -v" show |
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| 19:22.52 | joe6 | wampyre, does it show your devices? |
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| 19:23.34 | Wampyre | pcilib: cannot open /proc/bus/pci | lspci: Cannot find any working access method. |
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| 19:24.04 | joe6 | wampyre, are you "root"? |
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| 19:24.12 | Wampyre | yes |
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| 19:25.19 | arnie-b | so i purged php5 and reinstalled, and i still got the hash error |
| 19:25.43 | arnie-b | so i just removed /etc/php5/conf.d/mhash.ini, and problem solved |
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| 19:26.37 | stew | arnie-b: what does "dpkg -S /etc/php5/conf.d/mhash.ini" return? |
| 19:26.49 | stew | (probably a pacakge which was removed but not purged) |
| 19:27.59 | arnie-b | don't really understand this output |
| 19:28.14 | arnie-b | moved mhash.ini to mhash.ini.sus |
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| 19:28.43 | pfrog | I heard gnome 3 got rid of minimize and maximize buttons on window decorations? whats that about I wonder |
| 19:28.45 | arnie-b | but when i dpkg for .sus it says file not found, and when just for .ini it just returns the file name |
| 19:28.53 | arnie-b | # dpkg -S /etc/php5/conf.d/mhash.ini |
| 19:28.53 | arnie-b | php5-mhash: /etc/php5/conf.d/mhash.ini |
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| 19:29.34 | stew | arnie-b: so "aptitude purge php5-mhash" would have also fixed this problem, and is not a bad idea now. |
| 19:29.50 | stew | arnie-b: don't know what php5-mhash, i dont' see any recent record of it being in debian |
| 19:29.51 | arnie-b | less functionality to make it look 'cool'? |
| 19:30.19 | arnie-b | php5-mhash is a separate program? oh - didn't know that, thanks |
| 19:30.25 | arnie-b | that must be the issue |
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| 19:30.31 | stew | arnie-b: i don't know what it is, it didn't come from debian |
| 19:30.39 | arnie-b | thought it was an integrated part of php5 |
| 19:31.06 | stew | arnie-b: and its not weird that it didn't find the .sus file, you are asking it to look through its records of stuff which is installed, and the .sus file was not the thing that was installed |
| 19:31.14 | arnie-b | Package php5-mhash is not installed, so not removed |
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| 19:31.36 | stew | yes, you want to purge it, not remove it |
| 19:31.43 | pfrog | arnie-b: its looking like fluxbox might be more useful than gnome 3's built in window manager... |
| 19:32.19 | arnie-b | or openbox |
| 19:32.24 | arnie-b | :-) |
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| 19:32.54 | arnie-b | php5-mhash purged |
| 19:33.12 | arnie-b | if it's not from debian, how did it get in the apt database? |
| 19:33.58 | stew | ah, it used to come from the php5 package, but now php5-common replaces it |
| 19:34.00 | arnie-b | hope i didn't get hacked? |
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| 19:34.14 | stew | no, you didn't |
| 19:34.24 | stew | i mean, this isn't a sign that you did |
| 19:34.34 | arnie-b | okay |
| 19:34.52 | arnie-b | not until you told me :D |
| 19:34.59 | Wampyre | What packages do I need to enable PCI? |
| 19:35.29 | quuxman | stew: the capabilities man page just says CAP_SETUID allows arbitrary manipulation of the process uid |
| 19:35.31 | arnie-b | the hash thing, esp. in relation to php just made me a little nervous |
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| 19:35.47 | quuxman | stew: I don't think there's any way to fine-control the setuid call :-[ |
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| 19:50.22 | Wampyre | /etc/init.d/udev returns "udev requires kernel >= 2.6.26, not started" Would that be why my PCI is not working? |
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| 19:51.50 | jhutchins_lt | Wampyre: Yes. |
| 19:52.03 | babilen | Wampyre: Probably -- which udev version do you have installed and which kernel? (dpkg -l udev) |
| 19:52.24 | babilen | s/Probably/Quite likely/Almost certain/Yes/Yes! |
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| 19:55.02 | wooden | We have a trouble server where top is reporting only two processes using ~1% of the CPU, but the load is 450+. Nothing suspicious in dmesg, or /var/log/messages; no swap in use. Is there any other way to figure out what is causing it to report such a high load? This is an NFS server. |
| 19:55.05 | babilen | Wampyre: Are you by chance in the middle of an dist-upgrade from lenny to squeeze? |
| 19:55.11 | neglesaks | brb |
| 19:55.30 | dvs | babilen: no, from ubuntu to debian. |
| 19:55.34 | valdyn | wooden: load does not imply cpu load, it can be i/o |
| 19:55.40 | babilen | dvs: hopefully not |
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| 19:56.14 | dvs | <Wampyre> I did 'apt-get dist-upgrade' today (going from ubuntu ppc to debian ppc) |
| 19:56.32 | wooden | valdyn: Does that include network io as well as block io? |
| 19:56.33 | babilen | cries |
| 19:56.41 | valdyn | wooden: yes |
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| 19:57.44 | wooden | valdyn: So, something like iftop can tell me about net io. What do you recommend for monitoring disk io? |
| 19:57.53 | antivigilante | so when is iceweasel reverting back to firefox name |
| 19:58.01 | valdyn | wooden: iotop |
| 19:58.13 | babilen | wooden: iotop or iostat 5 |
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| 20:03.01 | dkr | antivigilante: when mozilla goes back to .org instead of .com |
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| 20:05.52 | Wampyre | babilen: udev 164-3; kernel 2.6.24.6 |
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| 20:06.31 | Fire-_-Fly | valdyn, thanks. Fixed the problem. |
| 20:07.04 | Wampyre | babilen: I did a dist-upgrade earlier, but now apt seems happy that all the packages are at the latest version. |
| 20:07.11 | simonrvn | babilen: it wasn't even ubuntu, it was a horribly bastardised version of ubuntu (?), on a netbook, and couldn't even get to open firmware (specs say users must be able to get to it). we were trying to get it functional. |
| 20:07.31 | Wampyre | hello simonrvn ;) |
| 20:07.34 | babilen | Wampyre: wow, how did you manage that? Ah right ... you decided it is a good idea to "upgrade" to Debian. Well, you definitely need a new kernel and preferably the debian one. Install "linux-image-2.6-ARCH" (ARCH == amd64,i386,ppc, ...) |
| 20:07.36 | simonrvn | hi |
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| 20:07.53 | simonrvn | yes, that's the next thing he needs to do |
| 20:08.04 | babilen | Wampyre: Can't you just install squeeze and we take it from there? |
| 20:08.15 | babilen | simonrvn: Or did you cover all that already? |
| 20:08.27 | Wampyre | Can't boot from anything other than the ssd which is in the machine. |
| 20:08.28 | babilen | does not feel like repeating the same old spiel |
| 20:08.32 | stew | Wampyre: you need at least 2.6.25 if you have udev > 142 |
| 20:08.41 | Wampyre | Which is why I had to do an in-place upgrade. |
| 20:08.50 | stew | Wampyre: wait, this is someone trying to migrate from ubuntu to debian? for real? |
| 20:08.52 | simonrvn | no, there was little we could do |
| 20:09.09 | Wampyre | stew, interesting challenge, no? |
| 20:09.14 | stew | no |
| 20:09.16 | simonrvn | we had to do it sideways |
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| 20:09.22 | stew | Wampyre: you can do a hard disk based install or debootstrap. what you are doing is not recommended nor supported |
| 20:09.23 | valdyn | wooden: no it isnt interesting, and its not needed |
| 20:09.48 | babilen | Wampyre: wow. ok, thanks for pointing that out. (even PXE boot? USB?) -- You want to upgrade your kernel. I would recommend to install the metapackage i mentioned before. |
| 20:09.52 | PeterNL | I'm back, and my wifi has not improved yet. My dmesg is full of these things: http://pastebin.com/7fYDSUnr |
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| 20:10.19 | Wampyre | I cannot change the boot device at all. Not even USB CDROM boots. |
| 20:10.53 | babilen | Can't you boot the debian installer from disk? |
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| 20:12.07 | PeterNL | I've just bougt a laptop wich can boot from floppy, cd or hdd. I cannot write any floppy's or burn cd's slow enough, and the hdd was missing :) |
| 20:12.11 | Wampyre | If it were on the boot ssd, perhaps. But that would render the existing OS useless, and if it does not work, then I have a paperweight. |
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| 20:12.55 | PeterNL | But I've got a cf2ide adapter and a cf card, and that card is now in my desktop cardreader (this is the system with wifi problems) |
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| 20:13.33 | stew | !rube goldberg install |
| 20:13.33 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 20:13.37 | PeterNL | i'm curious if the usb port on that laptop will even work, but I first have to get it working in this setup :) |
| 20:14.08 | PeterNL | stew: lol! |
| 20:14.11 | babilen | Wampyre: I would return that netbook and buy a different one. |
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| 20:14.45 | danols | I have a cron job that is for a website should I edit the cron tab file under www-data user or add it to the conf.d directory in etc ? |
| 20:14.48 | danols | what are you suggestions ? |
| 20:14.52 | PeterNL | But I'm sure my laptop can boot from that cf card, which has a working debian install with wifi problems |
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| 20:15.10 | PeterNL | oops :) |
| 20:15.25 | PeterNL | Wampyre: can you replace that ssd? Is it a sata drive? |
| 20:15.57 | babilen | Wampyre: I am curious, could you provide a link for that netbook? |
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| 20:17.08 | TASAIRES | hola |
| 20:17.35 | Wampyre | kernel is downloading ;) |
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| 20:18.10 | Wampyre | www.limepc.com |
| 20:18.22 | Wampyre | The SSD has a ZIF connector. |
| 20:18.53 | PeterNL | well, that kinda sux |
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| 20:20.39 | Wampyre | Looks like it's a type of IDE device. |
| 20:20.55 | PeterNL | Uh? is that LimeOS thing an Xp look-a-like? have they been sued by MS already? |
| 20:21.04 | Wampyre | Can't return it, I've opened it, which voids the warranty |
| 20:21.13 | stew | they have instructions for installing xp on it, which involve booting from usb... |
| 20:21.16 | mad_muppet | hi guys was here about an hour ago asking for help with getting pppoe working .. it was suggested I upgrade from lenny to squeeze net install but it failed to install not sure if it was the cd .. anyway I have reinstalled lenny 5.0.0 amd64 installed ppp and pppoe and entered my details in both pap-secrets and dsl-provider .. however when I try pon dsl-provider I cant ping google .. any help appreciated |
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| 20:22.08 | valdyn | mad_muppet: show the logs |
| 20:22.38 | mad_muppet | valdyn:I am dual booted with xp which Im on now |
| 20:22.52 | mad_muppet | so thats not possible |
| 20:23.05 | valdyn | mad_muppet: tough luck |
| 20:23.08 | simonrvn | mad_muppet: pppoeconf helps this a lot |
| 20:23.08 | PeterNL | well, there are ext2/3 drivers for xp |
| 20:23.33 | PeterNL | so you can read x:\var\logs\ or something |
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| 20:23.44 | stew | Wampyre: why can't you boot from usb? |
| 20:24.02 | PeterNL | afaik that won't work with ext4 yet, but I haven't used that for years |
| 20:24.09 | valdyn | mad_muppet: you should ping a valid internet ip for tests, not a name before ip works |
| 20:24.14 | mad_muppet | I tried pppoeconf and its not working for me .. that may or may not be part of my problem |
| 20:24.22 | babilen | mad_muppet: Also check if it is a problem in name resolution or a problem with the uplink. Try pinging 8.8.8.8 and use it as your nameserver if that works you can use that as nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 20:25.45 | danols | guys is there a convention for crontab stuff ? I have a cron job that is for a website ? should I add it to the cron.d directory or using crontab -u www-data -e option ? |
| 20:26.02 | stew | danols: the convention is that cron.d is meant for packages |
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| 20:26.24 | mad_muppet | I read that there should be no ip address assigned so when I installed and dhcp failed I told the computer to carry on without manualy assigning an address .. |
| 20:26.38 | stew | danols: but the reality is that you do whatever you prefer |
| 20:26.46 | valdyn | mad_muppet: dhcp is is not useful for pppoe |
| 20:26.53 | danols | stew: hmmm packages that are installed by apt right ? |
| 20:26.57 | valdyn | mad_muppet: it uses its own thing |
| 20:27.15 | danols | stew: hmm what do you find in your experience that works better especially if another person might have to track down all the cron tabs ? |
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| 20:27.26 | danols | s/tabs/jobs |
| 20:27.46 | valdyn | mad_muppet: on the debian side it should still be "resolvconf", which should be installed |
| 20:28.07 | simonrvn | danols: /var/spool/cron/ |
| 20:28.19 | stew | danols: it doesn't matter, they need to check all these locations /var/spool/cron /etc/crontab /etc/cron.* |
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| 20:29.24 | danols | where would you put www-data ? |
| 20:29.29 | kotique | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.53 | danols | sorry I mean where would you put a cron tab for user www-data |
| 20:30.06 | valdyn | danols: what could your job be doing since www-data has no write access anywhere? |
| 20:30.20 | stew | danols: i'm having trouble thinking of anything I'd run as www-data other than the webserver itself |
| 20:30.26 | valdyn | danols: and not having write access anywhere is *just* the purpose |
| 20:30.42 | stew | yes ^^ |
| 20:30.45 | danols | it's read only stuff |
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| 20:31.00 | PeterNL | scripts related to web applications (like clearing caches created by php in directories that ARE writable by www-data) |
| 20:31.05 | valdyn | danols: so a job that reads only and does nothing? to what end? |
| 20:31.19 | danols | never mind sorry just thinking out here |
| 20:31.26 | Wampyre | stew, can't get into Open Firmware setup. |
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| 20:31.35 | mad_muppet | what logs should I be looking at to find what Im doing wrong? |
| 20:32.00 | stew | Wampyre: their faq says to hit f11 to select a boot device |
| 20:32.15 | kotique | "It is typically called after the user has been authenticated." |
| 20:32.16 | Wampyre | It does not work. |
| 20:32.24 | stew | PeterNL: php uses root to clear its cache files |
| 20:32.52 | _dreamy | hi can i ask a question a bit off topic? id rather ask it here otherwise from in #ubuntu offtopic |
| 20:32.52 | PeterNL | I'm not talking about php itself, but more about applications written in php |
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| 20:33.37 | consumer | Hello |
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| 20:34.10 | stew | _dreamy: there is #debian-offtopic |
| 20:34.21 | consumer | is it possible to encrypt a computers hard drive with LUKS/dm-crypt *after* installing an unencrypted non-LVM system, like it is possible with TrueCrypt` |
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| 20:35.30 | PeterNL | Hi. My wifi is not working. I have a rt2573 which uses the rt73 driver. When I do iwlist wlan0 scan it says this: "Failed to read scan data : resource temporarily unavailable" and dmesg had a lot of these: http://pastebin.com/7fYDSUnr |
| 20:35.30 | _dreamy | awesome ty |
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| 20:39.43 | jhutchins | rtl2573 |
| 20:40.12 | PeterNL | jhutchins: yep, that's what I have. You know anything about it? |
| 20:40.40 | jhutchins | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73 |
| 20:40.41 | PeterNL | oh, it is rt2573, not rtL2573 |
| 20:40.53 | jhutchins | PeterNL: Needs firmware. |
| 20:41.00 | Chelsea | What in the world does <esc>- . (default) do in gnome-terminal,dvtm,screen,vim? (my guess would be a vim "feature"?) |
| 20:41.03 | PeterNL | haz firmware |
| 20:41.23 | thewanderer1 | PeterNL: the only case I ever had "Failed to read scan data" was WiFi being disabled by a killswitch in the hardware. my laptop doesn't have a LED indicator, so I never know if it's on or off |
| 20:41.36 | thewanderer1 | it was with broadcom though |
| 20:42.03 | PeterNL | Mine has a led which is blinking when I run iwlist. And it also takes time before it shows that error |
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| 20:43.12 | thewanderer1 | have you checked with linuxwireless.org to see if your hardware is actually supported? |
| 20:43.28 | PeterNL | it is on that wiki page, so yes, it is supported |
| 20:43.39 | thewanderer1 | the chip only or hardware by name? |
| 20:43.57 | PeterNL | sweex lw053 |
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| 20:44.10 | PeterNL | http://sweex.com/lw053 |
| 20:44.12 | JetBoy | passwd asks me for old Kerberos password (since upgrade to squeeze, I think). I don't want to use kerberos, how can this be disabled? |
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| 20:44.40 | jhutchins | JetBoy: How did you enable it in the first place? |
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| 20:45.06 | JetBoy | I don't know, didn't do anything |
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| 20:45.40 | PeterNL | apt-get remove ker<TAB> |
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| 20:45.52 | jhutchins | JetBoy: Someone did, nothing defaults to kerberos. |
| 20:46.19 | stew | JetBoy: what does "grep passwd /etc/nsswitch.conf" return? |
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| 20:46.35 | JetBoy | jhujhiti, I think there were related questions during the upgrade |
| 20:46.42 | stew | PeterNL: poor guess |
| 20:47.08 | JetBoy | stew, "passwd: compat" |
| 20:47.09 | PeterNL | okay... But has anyone any idea about my wifi problem? |
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| 20:47.41 | JetBoy | PeterNL, there's no autocompletion for this |
| 20:47.52 | xlemming | hi, does anyone have any experience with nslcd/nss-ldap and having it authenticate using the machine account keytab in activedirectory? |
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| 20:48.10 | PeterNL | nothing? well, I don't know anything about kerberos anyway. so... |
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| 20:48.37 | xlemming | PeterNL: I missed the first part of what you were asking, what is your wifi problem? |
| 20:49.01 | PeterNL | Hi. My wifi is not working. I have a rt2573 which uses the rt73 driver. When I do iwlist wlan0 scan it says this: "Failed to read scan data : resource temporarily unavailable" and dmesg had a lot of these: http://pastebin.com/7fYDSUnr. I do have the formware installed. |
| 20:49.07 | PeterNL | firmware* |
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| 20:49.45 | tech13 | ran into a couple of repos hosted on servers that put far-forward expires headers on the package list files. What lines should I add to my squid proxy to limit them to 1 hour, or no-cache, while still allowing .debs to be cached? |
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| 20:50.42 | EZmoney | PeterNL, is it a USB WIFI? |
| 20:50.54 | PeterNL | EZmoney: yep |
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| 20:51.16 | dclarke | question : there is a poweroff button on my Sun type 7 USB keyboard and whenever I accidentally bump into it .. my whole machine powers off .. cna I turn off this nasty feature in the inittab somehow ? |
| 20:51.59 | dclarke | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.02 | PeterNL | wait a second, the chip itself says rt2571WF while lsusb says rt2501/rt2573... |
| 20:52.07 | xlemming | PeterNL: what kernel version are you using? it seems like there is an issue w/ the device firmware, some people on ubuntu have had similar issues: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/362875 |
| 20:52.41 | PeterNL | 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 20:56.19 | EZmoney | PeterNL, did you use a live cd to do the install? |
| 20:56.46 | xlemming | PeterNL: Looks like that could be the same issue, I am afraid I can't be of too much more help as I haven't played with one of those adapters, arch does have a good wiki entry on building the kernel module from source and the source tarball does include a fresh copy of the firmware. Before doing anything I would also try to match device ID from your device to the device ID in the driver source |
| 20:57.03 | PeterNL | nope. It's a minimal install which I made in virtualbox, then I wrote the image to a CF card wich it is running from now |
| 20:57.42 | EZmoney | so all other usb devices work? |
| 20:57.52 | PeterNL | my mouse works... |
| 20:57.56 | EZmoney | ok |
| 20:59.02 | PeterNL | ...lemme reboot to my regular non-miimal squeeze install. I haven't tried the adapter in there yet... |
| 20:59.14 | EZmoney | ok good idea |
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| 20:59.49 | PeterNL | That one has NetworkManager. Will that matter a lot? |
| 21:00.03 | EZmoney | I dont think so |
| 21:00.13 | PeterNL | ah, good :) |
| 21:00.57 | JetBoy | I googled a solution: http://www.uncompiled.com/2009/10/debian-unstable-sid-unable-to-change-root-password/ |
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| 21:01.30 | PeterNL | same errors appear |
| 21:01.37 | PeterNL | same errors appear |
| 21:01.55 | PeterNL | oops, wrong window (I was trying to re-run dmesg :D ) |
| 21:02.23 | PeterNL | NetworkManager can see some networks, but more errors have appeared since |
| 21:02.53 | PeterNL | (exactly the same as what i've pastebinned before) |
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| 21:03.29 | PeterNL | not exactly. s/phy8/phy1/ |
| 21:03.43 | PeterNL | but the rest is exactly the same |
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| 21:05.00 | EZmoney | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.49 | PeterNL | EZmoney: I have installed firmware-ralink |
| 21:05.56 | PeterNL | on both installs |
| 21:06.03 | EZmoney | yes |
| 21:06.28 | EZmoney | /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware |
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| 21:07.07 | EZmoney | yes just trying to get my mind in the right direction |
| 21:07.11 | PeterNL | There's no /usr/lib/hotplug on my system |
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| 21:07.41 | EZmoney | I went back to sid because my squeeze install was crazy also |
| 21:07.56 | EZmoney | so I want to know why also |
| 21:08.04 | PeterNL | not on both systems. Oh, and squeeeeze works ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffine for me, |
| 21:08.24 | PeterNL | okay, synergy is failing :D |
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| 21:08.41 | homie | hmmm, alsa backend does not work, arts does not work, only pulse works here.... |
| 21:09.04 | PeterNL | Might work better with the wifi adapter removed :D |
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| 21:12.53 | danols | so my upgrade to squeeze failed as my connection to the internet died |
| 21:13.00 | danols | any suggestions on how to redo it ? |
| 21:13.15 | danols | when I do dpkg --audit a list of packages is shown |
| 21:13.21 | danols | i'm a neweb to dpkg |
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| 21:13.39 | danols | The following packages have been unpacked but not yet configured. |
| 21:13.39 | danols | They must be configured using dpkg --configure or the configure |
| 21:13.39 | danols | menu option in dselect for them to work: |
| 21:13.44 | stew | danols: what part of the process were you doing? |
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| 21:14.02 | danols | unpacking and installing |
| 21:14.12 | danols | it already downloaded all |
| 21:14.24 | danols | i've recored the update script |
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| 21:14.27 | danols | I can check the last line? |
| 21:15.19 | thewanderer1 | you should do `dpkg --configure -a` and then redo the apt-get line |
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| 21:16.18 | danols | last thing in script record is part of ncurses window alert saying The boot system is prepared to migrate to dependency-based sequencing. |
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| 21:16.27 | stew | danols: you probably wnat "dpkg --configure -a" to start then |
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| 21:16.38 | danols | what does that do ? |
| 21:16.40 | PeterNL | Hi. My wifi is not working. I have a rt2571WF which uses the rt73usb driver. When I do iwlist wlan0 scan it says this: "Failed to read scan data : resource temporarily unavailable" and dmesg had a lot of these: http://pastebin.com/7fYDSUnr. I do have the firmware installed. The same thing happens on two different squeeze installs. |
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| 21:17.21 | danols | dpkg: status database area is locked by another process |
| 21:17.22 | dpkg | ...but status database area is already something else... |
| 21:17.47 | dclarke | question : there is a poweroff button on my Sun type 7 USB keyboard and whenever I accidentally bump into it .. my whole machine powers off .. cna I turn off this nasty feature in the inittab somehow ? |
| 21:18.03 | thewanderer1 | danols: you were doing this upgrade in screen, were you? |
| 21:18.15 | danols | thewanderer1: no in ssh |
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| 21:18.40 | danols | (not sure what screen is) |
| 21:18.46 | thewanderer1 | uh. doing an upgrade over ssh without screen is a bad idea |
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| 21:18.55 | danols | thewanderer1: ohh |
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| 21:19.14 | thewanderer1 | danols: see `ps auxww | grep [d]pkg` and see if it prints anything |
| 21:19.36 | thewanderer1 | if it does, dpkg is still running but you've lost connection with it |
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| 21:19.52 | [switch] | dclarke: pull the key off.. |
| 21:20.03 | danols | thinks you guys are geniuses |
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| 21:20.27 | cast | what does [d]pkg do? |
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| 21:20.36 | danols | thewanderer1: http://dpaste.com/442275/ |
| 21:20.38 | cast | why the []? |
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| 21:20.59 | thewanderer1 | cast: a hack that doesn't display "grep" line itself |
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| 21:21.18 | cast | ahhh, i see |
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| 21:21.25 | [switch] | cast: it prevents grep finding grep'in itself out of the ps output. |
| 21:21.41 | danols | neat good to know |
| 21:21.52 | thewanderer1 | ok, so... now you need to regain connection to the lost terminal |
| 21:21.55 | [switch] | thewanderer1 explained it better :) |
| 21:21.58 | thewanderer1 | I forgot the command name |
| 21:22.09 | danols | ok |
| 21:22.15 | cast | pgrep -l i suppose is the other way |
| 21:22.19 | danols | i need to access pts/3 yes ? |
| 21:22.25 | danols | how do I do that ? |
| 21:22.28 | stew | danols: were you doing the upgrade in screen? (as recommended:) ) |
| 21:22.35 | danols | no over ssh |
| 21:22.43 | abrotman | boo! |
| 21:22.53 | danols | i will look into what screen is and make sure to use it next time |
| 21:23.35 | PeterNL | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.40 | PeterNL | if* |
| 21:24.00 | thewanderer1 | well, does anyone remember how to regain a lost pty? :P |
| 21:24.24 | danols | PeterNL: cool definitely will install it - thanks |
| 21:24.37 | danols | echo /dev/foo/pts3 ? |
| 21:24.40 | danols | :) |
| 21:25.13 | PeterNL | echo -e "^C" > /dev/pts3 ? |
| 21:25.27 | danols | nah I was joking I have no idea |
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| 21:25.36 | PeterNL | so was I |
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| 21:25.50 | danols | my linux skill are beyond rusty |
| 21:25.51 | danols | :) |
| 21:25.54 | PeterNL | But I won't be surprised if it would actually work :D |
| 21:26.16 | danols | when you read from it it would consume it right ? |
| 21:26.20 | danols | so I don't want to touch it |
| 21:26.27 | PeterNL | My linux skills haven't had the time to get rusty ;) |
| 21:26.41 | abrotman | judd: info retty --release squeeze |
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| 21:26.42 | PeterNL | dunno |
| 21:26.42 | judd | Package retty (utils, extra) in squeeze/i386: attach processes running on other terminals. Version: 1.0-2; Size: 9.6k; Installed: 68k |
| 21:26.49 | abrotman | best of luck! |
| 21:27.06 | thewanderer1 | oh. I was typing in `apt-cache show retty` but couldn't get any results :/ |
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| 21:27.12 | PeterNL | hmmz, lemme try that :) |
| 21:27.13 | thewanderer1 | it was floating on the top of my mind tho |
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| 21:27.55 | stew | and he's not going to be able to install retty in order to regain control of the terminal mid-upgrade of course |
| 21:28.16 | stew | since he'd have to kill the process he wants to see to install something |
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| 21:28.21 | thewanderer1 | OH. it's for i386 only! |
| 21:28.21 | PeterNL | ah, damn! |
| 21:28.27 | laust | hi everyone |
| 21:28.52 | thewanderer1 | well, it should be possible to hack this with dpkg-deb |
| 21:28.54 | thewanderer1 | but I wasn't aware it was for i386 only :/ |
| 21:29.16 | danols | hmmm |
| 21:29.25 | stew | yes, i think retty is probably pretty hacktacular |
| 21:29.26 | danols | i'm googling as well |
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| 21:29.37 | thewanderer1 | are you running i386? |
| 21:29.41 | PeterNL | i'm not. I want to fix my wifi! |
| 21:30.01 | PeterNL | So here we go again: My wifi is not working. I have a rt2571WF which uses the rt73usb driver. When I do iwlist wlan0 scan it says this: "Failed to read scan data : resource temporarily unavailable" and dmesg had a lot of these: http://pastebin.com/7fYDSUnr. I do have the firmware installed. The same thing happens on two different squeeze installs. |
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| 21:31.00 | thewanderer1 | danols: you should probably kill dpkg with signal 15... (just normal kill) it should handle SIGTERM gracefully |
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| 21:31.17 | danols | thewanderer1: higher than i386 here |
| 21:31.21 | danols | it's a box on the net |
| 21:31.27 | danols | I don't have physical access to it |
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| 21:31.52 | danols | thewanderer1: once I kill it how do I resume the upgrade process (worst case I have it all backuped) |
| 21:31.54 | danols | thewanderer1: once I kill it how do I resume the upgrade process (worst case I have it all backup) |
| 21:32.02 | danols | sorry can't spell or type today |
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| 21:32.48 | stew | danols: dpkg --configure -a |
| 21:32.51 | stew | danols: then rerun whatever command you were in the middle of (apt-get upgrade?) |
| 21:32.51 | laust | I have a nokia n900 and would like to display incoming sms on my laptop using notify-send. However the command ssh user@laptop_ip 'notify-send "blah"' gives an error message about glib I can paste here. Can anyone help? |
| 21:32.52 | badbyte | hi im trying to reinstall samba, when entering "apt-get install samba" i get the following message: |
| 21:32.58 | badbyte | http://pastebin.com/2emabDzT |
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| 21:33.52 | badbyte | any idea y? |
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| 21:34.31 | danols | so i do kill 19295 & kill 19296 ... right for all the dpkg entries ? |
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| 21:35.46 | stew | badbyte: try /etc/init.d/samba stop ; /etc/init.d/nmbd stop" first and try again |
| 21:35.51 | stew | badbyte: if that doesn't help, run the init script with "bash -x /etc/init.d/$whatever start" to see where they fail |
| 21:35.54 | thewanderer1 | danols: just 19295 and see what happens next |
| 21:35.55 | homie | wtf, i get huge delays by those netsplits |
| 21:37.22 | danols | thewanderer1: I did kill 19295 and then heard a loud explosion somewhere out there :) |
| 21:38.04 | danols | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 21:38.04 | danols | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.04 | danols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:40.24 | EZmoney | PeterNL, did you read this yet http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73 |
| 21:40.25 | EZmoney | Ralink 802.11n USB devices are supported by the rt2870sta driver. |
| 21:41.41 | EZmoney | install firmware-ralink wireless-tools modprobe rt73usb |
| 21:41.54 | danols | apt-get is smart - it said it can't run apt-get dist-upgrade but suggested I type apt-get -f install and that solved the issue and looks like the upgrade is continuing ... |
| 21:42.05 | danols | thewanderer1: thank you |
| 21:42.09 | danols | stew: thank you |
| 21:42.12 | danols | and all others |
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| 21:59.32 | puff | I'm migrating an old box to squeeze. I just finished setting up block lists in postfix, so just I changed the DNS. I had A records foo.com -> old.box.IP, new.foo.com -> new.box.IP. I changed them so it's old.foo.com -> old.box.IP, foo.com -> new.box.IP. However, now sudo says "sudo: unable to resolve host new". |
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| 22:05.33 | puff | Hm, okay, edited the /etc/hostname and that fixed the sudo error. |
| 22:05.56 | puff | But when I login, my prompt still says puff@new. |
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| 22:08.04 | xok_ | hello all... |
| 22:08.17 | xok_ | can anyone help me set up working red5 demos on my squeeze?.. |
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| 22:11.49 | puff | xok_: I'm not sure what the red5 demos are. |
| 22:12.50 | puff | Huh, neat. Open source Flash server, implemented in java. |
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| 22:31.21 | kraehe | moin - i did shoutdown my old debian system because of holiday - now X11 wont start after reboot. Last line in log is "(II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI" both with a self compiled as with a debian kernel. Graphic card is an old ati9250 using tungsten driver. |
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| 22:32.13 | kraehe | is there any known problem for debian/squeeze/radeon within the last 3 month? |
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| 22:36.13 | kraehe | http://pastebin.com/PAV4nqfY <- my lspci - about the kind of 'hang'. A ps ax does not show X or xinit, but the screen goes blank with a blinking cursor, and there is no way to switch back to a console ;-( I can login with ssh from outsite. |
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| 22:43.27 | fullstop | thewanderer1: I'd like for it to be in place at boot before the network interface is configured. |
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| 22:43.28 | babilen | ,versions libnet-smtp-tls-perl |
| 22:43.28 | judd | Package libnet-smtp-tls-perl on i386 -- sid: 0.12-1; squeeze: 0.12-1; wheezy: 0.12-1 |
| 22:43.28 | babilen | .info libnet-smtp-tls-perl |
| 22:43.35 | babilen | ,info libnet-smtp-tls-perl |
| 22:43.35 | judd | Package libnet-smtp-tls-perl (perl, optional) in squeeze/i386: Perl SMTP client library supporting TLS and AUTH. Version: 0.12-1; Size: 10.8k; Installed: 76k; Homepage: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Net-SMTP-TLS/ |
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| 22:43.35 | stew | fullstop: drop a file into /etc/sysctl.d/ |
| 22:43.36 | babilen | SerajewelKS: ^^^^ (apt-cache search perl smtp tls -- not that hard) |
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| 22:43.36 | thewanderer1 | fullstop: so set this for "all" instead of "default" |
| 22:43.36 | fullstop | stew: if two files in /etc/sysctl.d have the same settings, which one wins? |
| 22:43.36 | thewanderer1 | you're right in that the default setting only affects newly enabled interfaces |
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| 22:43.37 | fullstop | thewanderer1: I won't know which interface the person is using. |
| 22:43.37 | stew | fullstop: the second one? |
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| 22:43.37 | fullstop | stew: the problem is that there is another file in there which sets it to the opposite of what I want, and I can't replace this file. |
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| 22:43.37 | fullstop | stew: It depends on how sysctl handles it, I suppose. |
| 22:43.37 | stew | fullstop: delete the file you don't want |
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| 22:43.38 | fullstop | stew: I am guessing that last wins, but who knows. |
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| 22:43.38 | PeterNL | ah, damn netsplit. That scrollback hurts my eyes! But let's fix some wifi: My wifi is not working. I have a rt2571WF which uses the rt73usb driver. When I do iwlist wlan0 scan it says this: "Failed to read scan data : resource temporarily unavailable" and dmesg had a lot of these: http://pastebin.com/7fYDSUnr. I do have the firmware installed. The same thing happens on two different squeeze installs. |
| 22:43.39 | stew | fullstop: if there is a setting in there you don't want, why wouldn't you delete it? |
| 22:43.39 | babilen | fullstop: Or remove the setting in question. Why can't you replace/edit that file? |
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| 22:43.39 | fullstop | babilen: I'm making a package for others here. I don't want to do this manually to all of the desktops. |
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| 22:43.39 | Serajewe1KS | what tool is used to create salted md5 passwords again? i can't seem to find one with apropos nor apt-cache search. |
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| 22:43.39 | WindowsMojave | There was a problem reading data from the removable media. Please make sure that the right media is present. If you continue to have trouble, your removable media might be bad. |
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| 22:43.39 | WindowsMojave | WHY AM I GETTING THIS from the Debian Netinstall?? |
| 22:43.39 | fullstop | stew: I suppose I can move it in postinst and restore it in postrm |
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| 22:43.40 | stew | fullstop: well debian policy wouldn't allow it, but.... |
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| 22:43.40 | stew | fullstop: perhaps divert it? |
| 22:43.46 | babilen | WindowsMojave: You might want to read the error message and compare the md5 sum of your image/media |
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| 22:43.46 | f8l | fullstop: Yes. Last wins and the order is IIRC alphabetical. |
| 22:43.46 | stew | its alphabetical (man run-parts) |
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| 22:44.09 | SushiDude|Sandis | who are all these people with the werid names? |
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| 22:44.22 | surlyjake | ... if you only have ssh access to the machine |
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| 22:46.16 | tedp | Hello ev1, i have a question: when i run apt-get build-dep clamav, i get this message:E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list |
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| 22:46.28 | tedp | what entry should i use under /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 22:47.53 | thewanderer1 | tedp: copy whatever you normally use but change the leading "deb" to "deb-src" |
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| 22:48.20 | tedp | ok i'll try that |
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| 22:48.37 | 20QAATKVX | Lots of erroneous nicks here, I see. |
| 22:48.57 | TokenGoth | Hi, I've got a problem with a remote server running Lenny not booting... I have serial access, and get this on the console - http://paste.debian.net/108670/ it just stops at that last line. I've tried adding single and init=/bin/sh to the lilo prompt, but it never gets any further. Any ideas? |
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| 22:49.16 | thewanderer1 | what erroneous nicks? aren't those nicks just a result of coming through the web IRC frontend? |
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| 22:49.41 | SushiDude|Sandis | thewanderer1, freenode is going up in flames right now |
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| 22:49.50 | 20QAATKVX | thewanderer1: No. They're a result of them being on two sides of the split with the same nick. |
| 22:50.31 | thewanderer1 | oh. okay |
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| 22:52.55 | tedp | i tried it still same message. what entry should i use under /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 22:53.08 | alan__ | ping |
| 22:53.22 | TokenGoth | tedp: after you edit it you have to run "apt-get update" |
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| 22:53.39 | tedp | ok let me try again |
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| 22:54.18 | deno | hi there |
| 22:54.25 | detrickmartin | hello |
| 22:54.26 | deno | what is a xfer? |
| 22:54.33 | detrickmartin | transfer |
| 22:54.34 | nsadmin | transfer |
| 22:54.35 | nsadmin | ? |
| 22:54.36 | deno | uhm |
| 22:54.37 | amphi | transfer, probably |
| 22:54.45 | tedp | same thing. i think my entry is wrong for sources.list |
| 22:54.47 | deno | k makes sense |
| 22:55.01 | nsadmin | like "no xing" is "no crossing" |
| 22:55.25 | tedp | what is good sources.list entry to use for clamav |
| 22:55.40 | deno | if so, what "number of transfers" could mean in a usb context? |
| 22:55.55 | deno | I know I'm not providing too much context.. |
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| 22:56.28 | nsadmin | well |
| 22:56.56 | nsadmin | the more info you provide the more help you could get from more people that could be more useful |
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| 22:57.33 | deno | k |
| 22:57.48 | nsadmin | if you fail to provide info don't be surprised if any info you get fails to be of use |
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| 22:58.25 | deno | you're right |
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| 22:58.41 | silvertip257 | I have two drives in one system each with an install of Lenny. I would like to remove the main disk that has Grub installed. The other one was added to the primary drive's menu.lst. Can I install/repair Grub via the netinstall CD? I have looked at Recover option, but haven't gotten far. |
| 22:58.41 | deno | anyway I think it's better to read something about libusb :=) |
| 22:58.45 | deno | thank you guys |
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| 23:00.05 | aidan | How do I get "mail" to work? what package am I missing? |
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| 23:00.17 | aidan | I installed postfix, what's the MUA called? |
| 23:00.38 | nsadmin | you really want "mail"? |
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| 23:00.49 | aidan | yes, that's all I need |
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| 23:01.03 | nsadmin | , file bin/mail |
| 23:01.12 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 23:01.15 | stonie | hi.. whats a nice prog to rotate .signatures? i used sigrot but its gone in 6.0 |
| 23:01.22 | nsadmin | , info mailx |
| 23:01.25 | judd | No record of package 'mailx' in squeeze/i386. |
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| 23:01.35 | rww | , info bsd-mailx |
| 23:01.36 | judd | Package bsd-mailx (mail, standard) in squeeze/i386: simple mail user agent. Version: 8.1.2-0.20100314cvs-1; Size: 75.4k; Installed: 196k |
| 23:01.40 | rww | or heirloom-mailx |
| 23:01.42 | silvertip257 | , info mutt |
| 23:01.45 | judd | Package mutt (mail, standard) in squeeze/i386: text-based mailreader supporting MIME, GPG, PGP and threading. Version: 1.5.20-9+squeeze1; Size: 1986.0k; Installed: 5916k; Homepage: http://www.mutt.org/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/mutt |
| 23:02.08 | nsadmin | , file bin/mailx |
| 23:02.14 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
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| 23:02.19 | nsadmin | interesting |
| 23:02.26 | rww | nsadmin: it uses the alternatives system, so it confuses things like that |
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| 23:02.57 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 23:03.05 | nsadmin | so mail isn't in bin |
| 23:03.40 | rww | there's a mail symlink in one of the bin directories that points to /etc/alternatives/something, which points to the real one (heirloom or bsd -mailx) |
| 23:04.22 | rww | /usr/bin/mail -> /etc/alternatives/mail -> /usr/bin/heirloom-mailx on my machine. |
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| 23:05.05 | 20QAATKVX | I've asked here before but... |
| 23:05.16 | 20QAATKVX | Does anyone know why I can't mount or unmount devices? |
| 23:05.18 | tedp | the latest .deb is located here: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/clamav/. How do i install it? add entries to sources.list? |
| 23:05.33 | 20QAATKVX | I have plugdev added to my profile. |
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| 23:20.23 | tedp | when you do apt-get upgrade, can you just select one package or it has to upgrade everything? |
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| 23:22.37 | kc7zzv | tedp: I believe it won't let you choose, but it will give you one change to change your mind. |
| 23:23.31 | mitrick | is there a way to install xfce 4.8 under squeeze ? |
| 23:23.45 | detrick | sometimes doing apt-get install on the same package causes the new one to be installed |
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| 23:24.22 | tedp | @kc7zzv that's what i'm afraid of. how do i pinpoint to sources.list to install latest clamav? |
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| 23:24.44 | [twisti] | hey, i have debian, lenny i think, dont really know how to find out, how would i go about using apt-get to update/upgrade only java ? |
| 23:24.51 | maurer_ | tedp: apt-get upgrade -s |
| 23:24.59 | maurer_ | This will dump a list of packages it would upgrade |
| 23:25.02 | maurer_ | Follow up with |
| 23:25.10 | maurer_ | apt-get upgrade package-specifier |
| 23:25.17 | maurer_ | where package-specifier is whatever you feel like upgrading |
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| 23:26.17 | dvs | [twisti]: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:26.45 | maurer_ | [twisti]: Most likely your java package is called openjdk-6-jre (unless lenny isn't using that yet) |
| 23:26.47 | [twisti] | 504 |
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| 23:26.49 | maurer_ | dpkg -l | grep openjdk-6-jre |
| 23:26.58 | maurer_ | If that is present, do |
| 23:27.00 | [twisti] | id rather get the real java |
| 23:27.05 | maurer_ | apt-get upgrade openjdk-6-jre |
| 23:27.08 | maurer_ | It is the real java |
| 23:27.25 | [twisti] | pretty sure openjdk is not "the" java that oracle makes |
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| 23:27.53 | [twisti] | because i see people in #java bitch all the time how theres lots of differences that make stuff not run right |
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| 23:28.01 | dvs | [twisti]: you have a version installed already? |
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| 23:28.22 | [twisti] | dvs: it does, 1.6_12, which is a bit old for my taste |
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| 23:29.00 | dvs | [twisti]: I don't see how you can do it without upgrading to squeeze |
| 23:29.06 | [twisti] | bleh |
| 23:29.30 | [twisti] | can i at least download it somewhere and install it manually ? |
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| 23:29.59 | dvs | ,java versions |
| 23:30.21 | [twisti] | ? |
| 23:31.09 | dvs | [twisti]: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/sun-java6-jre |
| 23:31.22 | dvs | but the dependencies will be overwhelming |
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| 23:32.32 | [twisti] | i dont want to be a dick and start an os war, im not really knowledgable with linux, but are you telling me that i basically need to screw and reinstall the entire system just because id like to run a semi current piece of software ? |
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| 23:33.18 | [twisti] | i cant believe that im not misunderstanding this somehow |
| 23:33.32 | dvs | [twisti]: it's because a distribution is so tightly integrated that you really can't mix packages from different versions |
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| 23:34.14 | [twisti] | does it have to be a package ? cant i just, uh, do that configure, make shit that i used to do ? |
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| 23:35.47 | dvs | [twisti]: They used to have a package that could make java packages downloaded directly from Sun but I haven't heard about it in a long time. |
| 23:36.04 | silvertip257 | How can I install/repair Grub from a Debian Lenny netinstall? |
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| 23:36.58 | [twisti] | so basically if i use debian i have to either reinstall my system every year or so or live with the fact that i cant have current software ? |
| 23:37.10 | [twisti] | or is this a java specific issue ? |
| 23:37.25 | tharkun | [twisti]: It is indeed sometimes a pain. But the ./configure && make && make install is a gnu dance that should usually be available with upstream. |
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| 23:37.46 | [twisti] | tharkun: upstream ? |
| 23:37.58 | tharkun | [twisti]: the people that actually developed the program |
| 23:38.05 | tedp | debian website has latest clamav package. How do you upgrade it on my system? |
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| 23:38.51 | tharkun | [twisti]: But be forewarned that you should take care to have a current version since no-one will tell you that there is a bug on shuch program and you will have to take care of it |
| 23:38.52 | [twisti] | oh you mean theres a chance i could get that from the sun or oracle or whatever site ? |
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| 23:39.26 | [twisti] | meh, its not like i update my other stuff out of fear of it breaking something anyways :p |
| 23:39.29 | tharkun | [twisti]: yes. But you will have to maintain them yourself. There will be no security team behind you to look for bugs and fixes |
| 23:40.27 | [twisti] | before i go through that, just to make sure - 1.6.0_12 is the latest sun java available for my debian, 5.0.4 ? |
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| 23:41.39 | dvs | [twisti]: yes, and your debian will only be supported for another year |
| 23:41.48 | [twisti] | yay |
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| 23:42.08 | [twisti] | well we got it last year, so its totally past its shelf life |
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| 23:43.06 | [twisti] | i guess debian was a bad choice for a server |
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| 23:45.09 | dvs | [twisti]: your choice. Having software versions not change is a blessing and a curse. |
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| 23:45.42 | s3phir0th115 | Just to clarify, Linux doesn't need patched to paravirtualize as a guest, correct? |
| 23:45.52 | s3phir0th115 | It's supported natively? You just need it patched for hosting? |
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| 23:46.43 | s3phir0th115 | If so I was gonna use Debian with a Xen kernel to have a 32 bit Ubuntu for compatibility and to safely mess with bleeding edge things in a contained environment |
| 23:47.26 | ansgar | s3phir0th115: For Xen? Squeeze's default kernel works as DomU, for Lenny you need the xen variant (at least for amd64; IIRC for i386 the normal one works as well). |
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| 23:49.14 | s3phir0th115 | Cool, thanks for the clarification ansgar. |
| 23:49.38 | s3phir0th115 | Is this DomU support patched in, or is it in upstream? I'm just curious for if I'll have to check on a distro to distro basis |
| 23:50.44 | [twisti] | well, thanks for clearing it all up for me |
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| 23:51.05 | dvs | np |
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| 23:51.29 | tedp | how do i upgrade to the latest gcc so I can start compiling source file without depency error |
| 23:52.14 | tharkun | [twisti]: debian was a good choice for your server. Thing is your timing was a little late |
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| 23:52.46 | tharkun | FTR I installed a server 2 months ago and i have to upgrade before deploying it once again |
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| 23:55.32 | tedp | how do you interpret entries sources.list? If I can figure out what they mean I can try to install the specific package I'm looking for. |
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| 23:57.02 | zorganae | there was a regression in the way my rfkill button operates since kernel 2.6.32 |
| 23:57.19 | zorganae | I wanted to try to find where this regression was created |
| 23:57.32 | zorganae | what's the best approach to find it? |
| 23:57.51 | zorganae | I tried to get the git repo and compile those modules |
| 23:57.56 | zorganae | but then I can't load them |
| 23:58.00 | zorganae | any sugestions? |
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| 23:59.22 | jhutchins_lt2 | zorganae: Changelogs. |