| 00:00.38 | dvs | tedp: apt-cache policy <package-name> |
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| 00:01.21 | stew | tedp: have you looked at "man sources.list"? |
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| 00:02.15 | zorganae | jhutchins_lt2: even reading changelogs, how can I be sure that one of those changes is the responsible for my problem without testing? |
| 00:03.10 | jhutchins_lt | You can't be sure, but that's about the only chance you have of finding when a change that affected your drier happened. |
| 00:03.25 | jhutchins_lt | It's at leasat a place to start. |
| 00:04.01 | jhutchins_lt | zorganae: The way to be sure would be to diff the source for the driver, |
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| 00:04.34 | jhutchins_lt | zorganae: I would encourage you to file a bugreport, someone may recognize what happened. |
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| 00:05.17 | zorganae | jhutchins_lt: I have cloned the git repo, so I was able to walk through the changes and see what happened |
| 00:05.44 | zorganae | jhutchins_lt: but I wanted to be compile the modules, install them a test them through all changes, one at a time |
| 00:05.59 | zorganae | jhutchins_lt: that way I could be more specific in the bug report |
| 00:06.02 | zorganae | :) |
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| 00:06.14 | jhutchins_lt | Have fun. |
| 00:06.22 | zorganae | lol |
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| 00:06.36 | zorganae | I'm just not able to load the modules I compile, though... |
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| 00:08.05 | tedp | stew: yes. man sources.list is confusing |
| 00:08.15 | dvs | ??? |
| 00:09.11 | dvs | It gets confusing when people try to mix versions |
| 00:09.23 | tedp | i know where the package is on the debian website but I don't know how to put it in sources.list to install it |
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| 00:10.20 | tedp | right now i'm forced to install/upgrade everything which takes two hours. I just want to install/upgrade one package |
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| 00:10.56 | jhutchins_lt | dvs: That's because you're not supposed to mix versions. |
| 00:10.56 | dvs | unless it found in backports |
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| 00:11.04 | ascii` | hi, anybody got the padlock engine as the default engine on 0.9.8o (the openssl shipped with debian sqeeze)? the customization to /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf that was working for lenny doesn't work anymore. btw `openssl engine | xargs` (padlock) VIA PadLock (no-RNG, ACE) (dynamic) Dynamic engine loading support |
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| 00:11.11 | dvs | jhutchins_lt: exactly |
| 00:11.52 | jhutchins_lt | We've had some real frustration here lately who were trying to force aptitude to automate something it's designed to PREVENT. |
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| 00:20.05 | tedp | i'm trying to compile a source. it says i need zlib. how do i install it? |
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| 00:20.25 | n_np | aptitude search zlib |
| 00:20.32 | petterw | any one the chances of the module aesni-intel being available in squeeze? bug #597658 |
| 00:20.46 | petterw | *available by default |
| 00:20.49 | wessly | apt-get install zlib |
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| 00:21.17 | zorganae | tedp: try creating a new file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d and add the following line: APT::Default-Release "unstable"; |
| 00:21.27 | themill | wessly: you might want to try that |
| 00:21.38 | s3phir0th115 | Heh, apparently Xen and Virtualbox don't like running at the same time |
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| 00:21.47 | zorganae | tedp: replace unstable with the distribution you want |
| 00:22.05 | wessly | the guy just ask "how to install it" |
| 00:22.14 | tedp | ok i'll try that. is there release called sid? |
| 00:22.25 | zorganae | tedp: yes, that's unstable |
| 00:22.36 | zorganae | tedp: but which version did you install? |
| 00:22.36 | tedp | ok |
| 00:23.05 | tedp | i don't know what version. i ran apt-get install zlib and got an error |
| 00:23.08 | zorganae | basically the idea would be to choose as the default release "stable" |
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| 00:23.18 | zorganae | then you add more repos to your sources.list file |
| 00:23.19 | wessly | tedp: aptitude search zlib |
| 00:23.37 | themill | tedp: can I say that if you're asking these sort of really basic questions about debian then I can confidently predict that you're going to have a really horrible life running sid? |
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| 00:23.42 | zorganae | and you should be able to use aptitude to select from which release you want a single package |
| 00:23.55 | zorganae | and aptitude will install all the dependencies |
| 00:24.04 | zorganae | but do not mix stable and unstable |
| 00:24.07 | tedp | then it prompt me to run dpkg --configure -a. Now it's been running over 10 minutes |
| 00:24.13 | wessly | if you "upgrade" to sid, you have to upgrade slowly, what i mean: lenny - squeeze - sid |
| 00:24.47 | tedp | how u check what you have like lenny |
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| 00:26.05 | wessly | mm just Programs - System tools - System information |
| 00:26.34 | wessly | then on the system tab you will see it |
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| 00:27.01 | tedp | i'm running live cd grml and don't know how to get system information. |
| 00:27.20 | wessly | damn. |
| 00:27.44 | zorganae | oh! |
| 00:27.46 | zorganae | lol |
| 00:27.53 | zorganae | that will be hard then =) |
| 00:28.20 | jhutchins_lt | grml? |
| 00:28.56 | tedp | yup. the good thing is it force u to learn alot if u run live cd. but too much to learn for me so far |
| 00:28.59 | jhutchins_lt | wessly: lenny->squeeze->wheezy->sid |
| 00:29.28 | tedp | grml is live cd i'm trying out that runs on debian |
| 00:29.30 | jhutchins_lt | tedp: reconfigure -a takes a while, it reconfigures everything. |
| 00:30.06 | jhutchins_lt | Then again, since it's a CD, I imagine it's hit an unwritable file. |
| 00:30.11 | tedp | yup still running |
| 00:30.47 | jhutchins_lt | sid, by the way, is not a release. It's the repository where new potentially broken packages are started on their way to testing. |
| 00:30.51 | jhutchins_lt | !sid |
| 00:30.51 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 00:31.26 | tedp | ok i'll use unstable because i want latest package |
| 00:31.51 | themill | tedp: users of unstable should already know the answers to *all* the questions you've asked so far. |
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| 00:32.38 | tedp | well i want to test and learn |
| 00:32.38 | conorhogan | hi i am trying to install gnome on a newly installed debian vm - but i cant sudo - any help? |
| 00:32.54 | jhutchins_lt | conorhogan: su |
| 00:33.14 | conorhogan | jhutchins+lt - thanks! |
| 00:33.23 | conorhogan | damn ubuntu and its sudo - lol |
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| 00:35.03 | tedp | i'm going to check the debian website again. If i can find it under main then i can use "stable"? |
| 00:35.14 | conorhogan | if there is any developers here it would be nice if when in the terminal and it says "are you root" that it says type "su" to authenticate root privleges |
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| 00:35.37 | Era` | how do I tunnel remote https://<ip>:1234/url from my home machine? |
| 00:36.17 | Era` | this site is in private network |
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| 00:37.15 | nsadmin | conorhogan: one school of thought suggests that if someone doesn't know how to get in as root, this implies a lack of knowledge which could be more dangerous/damaging if they gain root |
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| 00:37.46 | nsadmin | if the machine is used for real work, its loss means that work can't be done |
| 00:37.56 | conorhogan | true - good point |
| 00:38.12 | conorhogan | ye i spose that makes sense |
| 00:38.20 | nsadmin | however |
| 00:38.23 | conorhogan | but its linux you cant baby people that much |
| 00:38.59 | nsadmin | that school of thought has the concept of "barrier to entry" as its base, which is something I don't personally agree with |
| 00:39.52 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Someone who knows about sudo though may be coming from a competent status on a different release. |
| 00:39.53 | tedp | irssi is scrolling text too fast. how do I scroll back couple pages above to read the earlier posts/comments? |
| 00:39.59 | jhutchins_lt | s/release/distro |
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| 00:40.07 | conorhogan | debian is currently taking me much longer to install than ubuntu - side point |
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| 00:40.26 | jhutchins_lt | tedp: You probably want to hide part/join messages for a start. |
| 00:40.27 | nsadmin | I've seen too many people with that attitude, and it turns out they actually want to keep the population of people working in their industry down in order to have more job security |
| 00:41.10 | conorhogan | im not competent in linux or mac terminals - but i know sudo, i know its dangerous too so i use it only when i need to which seems to be for everything lol |
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| 00:41.13 | tedp | jhutchins_lt: how u do that? |
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| 00:41.39 | jhutchins_lt | tedp: Find the docs for your irc client, it depends which one you're using. |
| 00:42.42 | dondelelcaro | tedp: pageup/pagedown or /help sb |
| 00:43.05 | tedp | thanks! |
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| 00:43.27 | tedp | i thought I lost those info |
| 00:43.32 | conorhogan | other semi side not - how big is the gnome download? its taking ages |
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| 00:43.47 | conorhogan | nearly as long as the whole debian iso |
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| 00:44.25 | stew | conorhogan: should be much larger than the debian iso |
| 00:44.41 | stew | conorhogan: 954mb download: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds02.html.en |
| 00:44.56 | conorhogan | how is a gui larger than debian? |
| 00:45.58 | conorhogan | how is it bigger than xpsp3? |
| 00:46.04 | xok_ | conorhogan: simply, GUI contains heavy stuff... |
| 00:46.05 | conorhogan | wow |
| 00:46.24 | stew | conorhogan: a debian base system as a little over 100 small packages. gnome is hundreds of packages which contain stuff like graphics |
| 00:46.31 | conorhogan | xok_ - xp is the whole os though |
| 00:46.43 | stew | openoffice.org (which is included in the gnome install) is probably bigger than the debian base system |
| 00:46.48 | xok_ | conorhogan: XP ain't OS, it's a malware... |
| 00:46.56 | conorhogan | lol |
| 00:46.59 | conorhogan | you know what i mean |
| 00:47.12 | nsadmin | debian base is what, 100mb in packaged form? |
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| 00:47.29 | xok_ | conorhogan: yes, but I don't want to compare debian to xp... |
| 00:47.33 | conorhogan | 198 is the size of 6.0 iso |
| 00:47.41 | xok_ | becase debian is an OS, and xp ain't... |
| 00:47.50 | stew | that's just nonsense |
| 00:48.00 | conorhogan | ok xok- - its probably as big as the whole ubuntu iso |
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| 00:48.15 | conorhogan | xp is an os - whatever you think about it |
| 00:48.20 | nsadmin | it's besides the point to compare oses when trying to solve specific problems |
| 00:48.31 | conorhogan | it may be crap but thats besides the point its still an os |
| 00:49.00 | conorhogan | nah its just a side point - that its a huge huge package |
| 00:49.04 | dondelelcaro | XP is not on topic here |
| 00:49.18 | conorhogan | not anymore no |
| 00:49.27 | xok_ | :-) |
| 00:49.40 | conorhogan | is gnome for debian the same for ubuntu and other distros? |
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| 00:49.45 | nsadmin | not since the channel gained more than maybe 500 users |
| 00:49.52 | dondelelcaro | conorhogan: fairly similar. |
| 00:50.00 | xok_ | you should guess what I meant... ;-) |
| 00:50.01 | conorhogan | cool thanks |
| 00:50.09 | MindWarper | 500 users ... lol |
| 00:50.09 | jhutchins_lt | conorhogan: From the same sources, packaged differently. |
| 00:50.10 | Lewoco | Is there any way to make oowriter "Export as PDF..." from the command line? |
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| 00:50.32 | conorhogan | thanks for clarigying |
| 00:50.47 | jhutchins_lt | conorhogan: Gnome as a master task on debian is a lot more like Microsoft Office, which is multiple CD's. |
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| 00:50.52 | themill | Lewoco: unoconv can do that, but it's a bit hit and miss as to whether it works nicely or not |
| 00:50.59 | stew | conorhogan: just realize that when you say "i want a gnome desktop" you get a LOT of software, you get openoffice.org (so a full office suite), you are getting pdf readers, you are getting VOIP software, email, etc. more than you might expect. a base debian install is really supposed to be a bare minimum (that you need to install whatever else you need) |
| 00:51.22 | conorhogan | stew - really? |
| 00:51.25 | stew | yes |
| 00:51.31 | conorhogan | how do i just install a gui? |
| 00:51.35 | conorhogan | on its own |
| 00:51.43 | stew | conorhogan: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 00:52.09 | dondelelcaro | Lewoco: libreoffice -pt foobar blah blah; would probably do it, but you'd have to look up more detailed documentation about the pdf printer and its options to figure it out |
| 00:52.31 | conorhogan | no such file or directory |
| 00:52.32 | MindWarper | install KDE if you want a real gui |
| 00:52.39 | xok_ | clean install of debian squeeze took about 500mb... |
| 00:52.50 | conorhogan | is kde just a gui or is it like gnome? |
| 00:52.50 | oldskoolpulsar | hi guys i managed to get powerpc port of debian 5 lxc working |
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| 00:52.58 | stew | conorhogan: its like gnome |
| 00:53.01 | dondelelcaro | conorhogan: KDE is a DE, just like gnome is a DE. |
| 00:53.04 | oldskoolpulsar | the lxc-debian script is broken |
| 00:53.06 | MindWarper | its gnome done right :) |
| 00:53.12 | oldskoolpulsar | i had to manually edit parts of it |
| 00:53.21 | oldskoolpulsar | but lxc is comfirmed to work on the ppc port |
| 00:53.26 | conorhogan | how do i just install a basic gui? |
| 00:53.38 | dondelelcaro | conorhogan: what do you mean by "basic gui"? |
| 00:53.45 | oldskoolpulsar | apt-get install xfce4 would work |
| 00:53.53 | oldskoolpulsar | cause apt would resolve all the dependencies |
| 00:53.57 | oldskoolpulsar | im no expert! |
| 00:53.58 | conorhogan | a small, gui only without openoffice etc |
| 00:53.59 | MindWarper | install LXDE |
| 00:54.00 | xok_ | or 1337 windowmaker |
| 00:54.13 | dondelelcaro | conorhogan: if you don't know precisely what you want, you want gnome, kde, or similar. whichever you want is a personal decision. |
| 00:54.21 | xok_ | conorhogan: there are tons of window/desktop managers... |
| 00:54.21 | MindWarper | LXDE is closer to winxp |
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| 00:54.35 | oldskoolpulsar | my favorite is xfce4 cause i know the scripts and comfortable with this user interface |
| 00:54.40 | oldskoolpulsar | i think its a personal preference thing |
| 00:54.56 | blizzow | The application I'm running grabs the WAN address of the box it's running on (say 40.20.3.9). It has a LAN address of (192.168.1.4). |
| 00:54.58 | stew | conorhogan: if you send a message to the bot "/msg dpkg install gnome" it will give you different commands for various amounts of gnome. same with "/msg dpkg install kde" |
| 00:55.04 | oldskoolpulsar | MindWarper, why would you want to make xorg look like an inferior operating system ;) |
| 00:55.05 | blizzow | When it tries to access 40.20.3.9, it doesn't work (because the firewall is configured correctly). |
| 00:55.05 | MindWarper | you can get enlightment its really light |
| 00:55.05 | oldskoolpulsar | lol |
| 00:55.15 | blizzow | I want to redirect that request from 40.20.3.9 -> 192.168.1.4 |
| 00:55.19 | oldskoolpulsar | xorg linux kernel debian in general |
| 00:55.20 | oldskoolpulsar | lol |
| 00:55.21 | Lewoco | themill, Handy tool, but I want something that will also work on windows. |
| 00:55.23 | MindWarper | because i dont like mac gui |
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| 00:55.32 | conorhogan | stew - ah its for this irc not debian - cool thanks |
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| 00:55.39 | blizzow | or better yet, 127.0.0.1 is it possible to do that with route? |
| 00:55.39 | oldskoolpulsar | MindWarper, i agree with you on that |
| 00:55.59 | madsara | Hey, having trouble upgrading from Lenny to squeeze, problem is dpkg not supporting BREAKS, any thoughts? |
| 00:56.33 | stew | madsara: are you following the procedure in the release notes? we strongly recommend that you do (/msg dpkg squeeze release notes) |
| 00:56.37 | jhutchins_lt | Lewoco: Windows has a command line? |
| 00:56.50 | madsara | stew: Will do. Thanks. |
| 00:57.06 | stew | madsara: chapter 4 is the part for you |
| 00:57.28 | oldskoolpulsar | stew, is lxc comfirmed working in squeeze for powerpc port |
| 00:57.33 | themill | Lewoco: you might do better asking the openoffice people directly then. unoconv might also work on other legacy operating systems, I wouldn't know. There's a #openoffice.org that might know. |
| 00:57.34 | oldskoolpulsar | im just starting to play with it now |
| 00:57.36 | madsara | Yeah, Thanks again. |
| 00:57.43 | conorhogan | gnome finished - it says i havent eneough space - its a 10gb hardrive i have it - and it was dynamicaly expanding |
| 00:57.47 | Lewoco | themill, Actually it looks like it's just a python script and I think it does support windows. |
| 00:58.22 | oldskoolpulsar | some of the lxc scripts seem broken in powerpc port that a usual thing for a new release of debian? |
| 00:58.24 | themill | Lewoco: yes, there's a chance that it does. |
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| 00:58.29 | oldskoolpulsar | or cause of lack of powerpc users? |
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| 01:00.09 | conorhogan | hello? |
| 01:00.15 | stew | oldskoolpulsar: i don't know, sorry, check the bts if you think you are finding bugs in a pacakge: http://bugs.debian.org/packagename |
| 01:00.42 | oldskoolpulsar | im finding many many many bugs in lxc only with scripts though |
| 01:00.55 | dondelelcaro | oldskoolpulsar: if no one has reported bugs about it, that probably means that no one has tested it... it wouldn't surprise me, given that fewer and fewer people are using powerpc. |
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| 01:00.57 | oldskoolpulsar | kernel as to be expected is rock solid |
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| 01:01.13 | dondelelcaro | (and not very many people use lxc) |
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| 01:01.27 | oldskoolpulsar | lxc seems best option on powerpc for my little endevor |
| 01:01.37 | oldskoolpulsar | just play time really |
| 01:01.39 | oldskoolpulsar | for me |
| 01:01.47 | conorhogan | wtf! |
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| 01:02.11 | oldskoolpulsar | i tried the mol (mac on linux) from svn but its not exactly what i would call stable |
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| 01:02.44 | oldskoolpulsar | dondelelcaro, what technology would you recommend i try on the powerpc platform |
| 01:02.49 | oldskoolpulsar | im looking at virtual debian instances |
| 01:03.03 | conorhogan | hello? |
| 01:03.42 | dondelelcaro | oldskoolpulsar: what are you trying to do? |
| 01:03.53 | oldskoolpulsar | setup a lamp server for a personal site |
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| 01:04.16 | themill | conorhogan: you asked for everything including the kitchen sink to be installed and you now seem surprised when that takes some disk space. You've not really asked a question and I don't think anyone knows what you want to ask next. |
| 01:04.30 | oldskoolpulsar | i dont feel comfortable with running anything directly on my hardware |
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| 01:04.35 | conorhogan | hello? |
| 01:04.40 | oldskoolpulsar | directly on my debian i should say |
| 01:04.47 | oldskoolpulsar | i fancied abit of virtualization |
| 01:04.53 | conorhogan | wtf cant i post? |
| 01:04.58 | themill | conorhogan: you asked for everything including the kitchen sink to be installed and you now seem surprised when that takes some disk space. You've not really asked a question and I don't think anyone knows what you want to ask next. |
| 01:05.25 | themill | conorhogan: if you don't actually ask a question, you won't get answers. If you part and then rejoin, you'll just annoy people. |
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| 01:05.51 | dondelelcaro | oldskoolpulsar: mol is a bit of a totally different thing; lxc may be the right thing, but it looks like it has a bunch of bugs (and it's not something I personally use) |
| 01:05.57 | infinity0 | hi, i'm configuring 2 DNS servers with one master, one slave |
| 01:06.02 | conorhogan | i cant ask the question |
| 01:06.07 | optraz | how do i kill a stall gnome file copying operation? |
| 01:06.17 | ascii` | anybody using via padlock to offload openssl? |
| 01:06.28 | dondelelcaro | oldskoolpulsar: so lxc or qemu may be your only option, but I don't use either of them... |
| 01:06.33 | infinity0 | slave asks master for SOA record, gets it, does a AXFR request, then for some reason the master forwards that AXFR to its normal parent ns |
| 01:06.34 | conorhogan | dpkg/status - no space on disk - how do i wipe the drive and start again? |
| 01:06.35 | oldskoolpulsar | a friend of mine uses bsd jails and i figured lxc closest thing linux has |
| 01:06.39 | dondelelcaro | ascii`: consider the answer to be yes. |
| 01:06.41 | infinity0 | anyone got any ideas how to fix? |
| 01:07.00 | oldskoolpulsar | conorhogan, read the manual |
| 01:07.11 | conorhogan | sorry people - you dont seem to be able to start a sentence with a / in irc - sorry to seem so annoyed |
| 01:07.14 | dondelelcaro | optraz: with kill from the command line or similar |
| 01:07.17 | ascii` | dondelelcaro, my issue is the following: anybody got the padlock engine as the default engine on 0.9.8o (the openssl shipped with debian sqeeze)? the customization to /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf that was working for lenny doesn't work anymore. btw `openssl engine | xargs` (padlock) VIA PadLock (no-RNG, ACE) (dynamic) Dynamic engine loading support |
| 01:07.22 | dondelelcaro | conorhogan: you can. /say /foo |
| 01:07.35 | oldskoolpulsar | "//////" |
| 01:07.36 | oldskoolpulsar | ;) |
| 01:07.38 | oldskoolpulsar | lol |
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| 01:07.50 | oldskoolpulsar | brb need hot beverage |
| 01:07.51 | conorhogan | that starts with a qoute |
| 01:07.57 | dondelelcaro | /you actually can... |
| 01:08.16 | oldskoolpulsar | dondelelcaro, show off |
| 01:08.16 | oldskoolpulsar | lol |
| 01:08.27 | dondelelcaro | /help /say if you're lost. |
| 01:08.42 | oldskoolpulsar | dondelelcaro, with your rule bending irc client |
| 01:08.43 | oldskoolpulsar | lol |
| 01:08.48 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: having funn with your slashes? |
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| 01:09.13 | oldskoolpulsar | thanks for advice guys im off to eat |
| 01:09.14 | oldskoolpulsar | ;) |
| 01:09.15 | oldskoolpulsar | thanks |
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| 01:09.33 | conorhogan | irc - always good to show why people have an impression of linux users as people who dont want people to really user linux and always feckin use rt(f)m even when thats not helpful |
| 01:09.41 | optraz | dondelelcaro: yea i know but what is the pid? |
| 01:09.58 | dondelelcaro | optraz: oh, you'd have to look at the ps axfu; output to see what it was |
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| 01:10.53 | tharkun | bets on dondelelcaro having some custom perl scripts on his irc client to show off and kick bann people prety fast |
| 01:11.17 | conorhogan | wouldnt be suprised ^ |
| 01:11.18 | dondelelcaro | conorhogan: in every case when we've told you to look at specific documentation, we've told you exactly where to look. If you aren't interested in trying to help yourself, it's a bit odd to be expecting us to do more |
| 01:11.24 | optraz | dondelelcaro: ok, i did ps axfu | egrep "gnome|file|copy" |
| 01:11.31 | optraz | does not give me what i want though |
| 01:11.36 | themill | conorhogan: people have spent a lot of time explaining things to you here and showing you where you can go for more information that exceeds the ~450 character limit for a line on irc. Insulting the people who are might be helping you isn't really going to get you very far. |
| 01:12.00 | dondelelcaro | optraz: just look at the whole output; it should have an R or a D in the STAT column |
| 01:12.08 | conorhogan | its a simple question - how to format a drive |
| 01:12.44 | themill | conorhogan: since it sounds like you're only just installing, pop the install cd in and start again |
| 01:12.45 | dondelelcaro | conorhogan: to put what on it? man mkfs; if you want to know how to create a filesystem on a device. |
| 01:13.04 | conorhogan | but its okay i am just going to reinstall the vm with 15gb and make sure the partitions have plenty of space |
| 01:13.17 | dondelelcaro | if you're installing, the installer tells you how to do that, and there's even a install guide which walks you through the process |
| 01:13.19 | optraz | dondelelcaro: nope, only Sl, Ssl, S, and S+ |
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| 01:13.40 | dondelelcaro | optraz: uh... is that ps axfu; output in the command line? |
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| 01:13.59 | conorhogan | dondelelcaro - i did but it must have made /usr or whatever partition for the files too small to handle gnome |
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| 01:14.07 | tharkun | conorhogan: for the sake of your sanity. Stick to one single partition. You will not need more of that on the near future until you understand lots of other stuff first |
| 01:14.08 | dondelelcaro | optraz: well, anyway; nothing is stalling then... |
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| 01:14.32 | optraz | mmmm |
| 01:14.38 | dondelelcaro | optraz: as far as the actual name of the gnome manager process, I don't know that... someone else here may |
| 01:14.45 | dondelelcaro | doesn't use any of the DEs |
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| 01:15.05 | conorhogan | tharkun - unfortunately i need the two partitions - unfortunately i have to use debian (no offence - its just im not used to it and its trickier than ubuntu for example) |
| 01:15.22 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: then how do you make awesome manage your DE ? |
| 01:15.45 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: it's just a WM; I don't use a desktop |
| 01:16.09 | tharkun | conorhogan: once you are past the learning curve. It is indeed a smooth ride from there on |
| 01:16.18 | optraz | dondelelcaro: alright thanks. guess i will do a another gdm restart |
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| 01:17.07 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: nice to know. BTW I battled with awesome long and hard but i didn't manage to make it behave in a more static way. Any other TWM that you recomend that is more "static" |
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| 01:17.11 | conorhogan | tharkun - well that seems to be the case when i stated with ubuntu, but its frustrating at first |
| 01:17.30 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: hrm... not sure what you mean by static |
| 01:17.31 | tharkun | conorhogan: do you have the needed sizes of the partitions? |
| 01:17.36 | shentino | I just tested out the live installer for 6.0.0, and I have a very annoying bug to report. I'm new to debian, what do I do? |
| 01:17.40 | themill | conorhogan: I'm not sure that you can blame the complexity of debian for you making the virtual disk too small. And I'm not sure why you need partitions to dual boot a vm anyway. |
| 01:17.46 | conorhogan | sorry if i seem like a bit of a dick - just it took so long to install debian and for it not to have enough space |
| 01:18.04 | conorhogan | themill - 10gb should not be too small? |
| 01:18.16 | shentino | Personally, I keep three partitions. 1G or so boot, 2G or so swap, the rest / |
| 01:18.30 | conorhogan | tharkun - i trusted the installer to make the 2 partitions the right size by default |
| 01:18.33 | themill | conorhogan: when you chose to install everything ever heard of in the gnome suite, I can imagine it hitting something like that. |
| 01:19.00 | conorhogan | themill - i didnt know gnome installed everything i thought it was just a gui |
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| 01:19.18 | conorhogan | i learn that lesson fast and hard anyway |
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| 01:19.38 | themill | we told you that *before* you started installing.... |
| 01:19.58 | conorhogan | no, i dont think so |
| 01:20.24 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: something that will not move windows around whenever a new one appears. Like having a bunch of windows appear only on a predifined frame |
| 01:20.34 | conorhogan | i was already installing gnome as soon as i was told it was "su" and not sudo |
| 01:20.47 | conorhogan | i foolishly thought it was just a gui |
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| 01:22.36 | conorhogan | i shouldnt have assumed - but its very late so my bad |
| 01:23.02 | tharkun | conorhogan: take a break from it. Things look brighter in the morning |
| 01:24.01 | conorhogan | tharkun - i should but i foolishly left installing debian till last because i thought it would be very similar to ubuntu and i would have few problems |
| 01:24.11 | conorhogan | that was a stupid assuption on my part |
| 01:24.31 | tharkun | not at all. You just walked too far away from the beaten path |
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| 01:25.07 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: ah; yeah, I think there was some motion to doing subtiling like ion3 does, but I honestly don't really miss that |
| 01:25.31 | conorhogan | tharkun - i dont know what you mean |
| 01:25.47 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: generally speaking, I personally have a stack of windows that I'm actually working on (they're in the active area) and a bunch of windows that I'm not (they're in the queue area) and I cycle between them as necessary |
| 01:26.23 | dondelelcaro | I thought I would miss it at first, but I realized that I was spending more time futzing about with where the frame borders were and such than actually getting work done with the windows |
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| 01:27.06 | tux0 | that's what ratpoison and stumpwm are for |
| 01:27.11 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: Problem i have with awesome is that my working windows pop up windows of guis that i am developing and everything moves around having to track them takes too much time |
| 01:27.26 | conorhogan | i also chose the text installation for some odd reason the first time |
| 01:27.48 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: ah; you can force them to go somewhere else if you want, but I guess I just don't develop much for GUIs |
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| 01:28.16 | dondelelcaro | conorhogan: there's very little difference between the text and gui installation; the main reason we have a gui installation is to handle scripts which we can't deal with in text mode |
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| 01:28.45 | conorhogan | dondelcaro - cool i noticed that its pretty much the exact same |
| 01:28.49 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: well i heard there is this ion3 fork that should be running smothly afaik |
| 01:28.57 | dondelelcaro | oh, could be |
| 01:29.03 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: that's probably what you want, then |
| 01:29.11 | stew | for the most part the gui installer is the the text installer with nicer fonts |
| 01:29.21 | simonrvn | heh |
| 01:29.53 | dondelelcaro | for me, I actually am more familiar with driving the installer through ssh nowadays |
| 01:29.55 | tharkun | dondelelcaro: well i don't want to cross with a developer that has a 2 year old ego once again |
| 01:30.03 | conorhogan | how do i set up two partitions when installing debian? |
| 01:30.15 | dondelelcaro | tharkun: yeah, I don't think anyone is interested in that |
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| 01:34.56 | conorhogan | this is much more complex than ubuntu |
| 01:36.00 | tux0 | conorhogan: I believe there is an installation guide on wiki.debian.org ... |
| 01:36.14 | tux0 | conorhogan: it's really not that difficult |
| 01:36.39 | conorhogan | tux0 - thanks. may not be for you, seems to be much more complex than ubuntu imo |
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| 01:48.30 | conorhogan | thanks for all the help earlier - and sorry if i came off as snappy/annoyed |
| 01:48.34 | dbb | hi all- does anyone happen to know how.. I want to encrypt and sign a file, using gpg, and the public/private keys in my .ssh dir |
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| 01:48.41 | dbb | key |
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| 01:52.37 | dbb | I am new to this (obviously) and am thrown off in that gpg --list-keys returns nothing |
| 01:53.08 | dbb | although .ssh is there in my main login, and I have used it before for public key ssh login |
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| 01:55.51 | dbb | I see.. gpg --import ~/.ssh/identity.pub returns.. no valid OpenPGP data found.. so its something else.. see I am confused already |
| 01:56.12 | dbb | ssh-rsa |
| 01:56.21 | dbb | its a maze :-/ |
| 01:56.32 | conorhogan | welcome to linux |
| 01:56.42 | dbb | ugh |
| 01:57.01 | conorhogan | i too get that feeling its nearly deliberately complex and arhaic for a reason |
| 01:57.16 | dbb | of course I have avoided this topic, so my reward is extra confusion/frustration when I need to use it |
| 01:57.29 | dbb | y |
| 01:58.02 | conorhogan | dbb - im sure someone will answer soon |
| 01:59.27 | dbb | perhaps.. use openssl instead of gpg |
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| 02:00.13 | conorhogan | i would help if i could - but i have no idea |
| 02:00.27 | dbb | ok thx |
| 02:00.35 | conorhogan | its taking me two times to install debian twice - lol |
| 02:01.05 | Arrowmaster | ive never heard of using gpg with ssh keys |
| 02:01.29 | dbb | y - apparently that is wrong |
| 02:01.40 | dbb | I was guessing.. wrong guess |
| 02:01.44 | acx0 | when adding a script to startup using update-rc.d, is it recommended to add it to 'defaults', or just runlevel 2? |
| 02:02.04 | Arrowmaster | defaults |
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| 02:02.22 | acx0 | Arrowmaster, does the same go for disabling something too? |
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| 02:02.59 | Arrowmaster | probably, debian uses insserv now and im not sure but i think 'defaults' just reads the values from the lsb headers in the script |
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| 02:04.44 | stew | dbb: if you are going to be encrypting and signing stuff with gnupg, you should be creating a gpg key, not trying to use your ssh keys. a gpg key contains information that wouldn't be found in an ssh key, such as your identity |
| 02:04.54 | stew | dbb: there should be lots of pgp howtos around |
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| 02:06.02 | dbb | well I have a identity.pub so I thought I could sign with it |
| 02:06.19 | dbb | I dont want to use another encryption set of programs if I can avoid it |
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| 02:06.56 | dbb | the pain here is not a lack of tutorials, rather an overwhelmingly large number of them and man pages, etc |
| 02:07.11 | arosen | Hello, I'm running lenny on several servers. Should I go a head and upgrade to squeeze/ |
| 02:08.01 | dbb | arosen I can tell you that my lenny to squeeze went very well.. it asked me about 'modified files' here and there which I had not changed, but I always answered 'use new' and it worked out fine |
| 02:08.27 | dbb | er, 5.0.x to 6, if thats what you are asking |
| 02:08.38 | arosen | yea |
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| 02:09.25 | dbb | I upgraded to the last 5.0. whatever before going to 6.. I think thats goo dluck and perhaps required |
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| 02:09.46 | dbb | its better! for me |
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| 02:10.42 | engla | does anyone know of a debian repository for unity (ubuntu's) |
| 02:11.08 | boota2 | I have multiple boxes to which I connect via ssh, and I want to push my prompt (PS1) to them. |
| 02:11.32 | boota2 | What is the simplest way to do this? |
| 02:11.48 | boota2 | All boxes are debian-based. |
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| 02:14.02 | tux0 | boota2: scp? |
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| 02:15.08 | tux0 | boota2: what do you mean by "push"? |
| 02:15.11 | boota2 | And yeah, i don't want to touch .bashrc |
| 02:15.21 | boota2 | I want to set variables via ssh. |
| 02:15.29 | boota2 | Once and for all. |
| 02:16.24 | boota2 | So that after I configure the prompt on my box, then I connect to any server I'll get my prompt. |
| 02:16.39 | boota2 | Disregarding any profiles on servers. |
| 02:17.30 | dbb | boota2 when you login to a remote server, you are the identity on that server, as far as I know.. |
| 02:17.36 | Dewi | boota2: man ssh_config, look at SendEnv |
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| 02:19.00 | dbb | I see, AcceptEnv on the remote host |
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| 02:19.12 | dbb | well I dont claim to know about this.. |
| 02:19.18 | boota2 | Yeah, and kill .bashrc on remote host... |
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| 02:19.22 | boota2 | No easy way... |
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| 02:21.14 | boota2 | I tried debian 6 today, and does my memory fail, or in 5 where was another font by default? |
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| 02:32.29 | tedp | does this entry have the correct syntax for a sources.list? deb-src http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ sid/main i386 Packages |
| 02:32.50 | tedp | or should i use deb instead of deb-src? |
| 02:33.25 | KB1JWQ | The latter |
| 02:33.27 | Arrowmaster | !sources.list |
| 02:33.27 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 02:33.40 | stew | tedp: what are you trying to do? |
| 02:34.07 | stew | tedp: (and, no, that's not right, you should be seeing the sources.list manpage) |
| 02:34.12 | stew | tedp: and you don't want sid |
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| 02:35.30 | tedp | stew: i was able to successfully installed clamav. took me two hours on live cd. now I want to try to install it again in less than 30 minutes next time around |
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| 02:35.52 | stew | tedp: what version of debian did you install? |
| 02:35.58 | tedp | wheezy |
| 02:36.15 | stew | tedp: then you should be using sources for wheezy, not sid |
| 02:36.21 | tedp | i don't know how i installed it |
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| 02:36.36 | stew | tedp: aptitude install clamav |
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| 02:37.18 | tedp | yeah i did that. it gave me error. then i had to update/ugrade everything which took two hrs |
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| 02:37.36 | tedp | but i don't want to update ALL |
| 02:37.38 | stew | tedp: what error? why did you have to upgrade? |
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| 02:38.09 | tedp | it wouldn't install clamav so i just update/upgrade all |
| 02:38.22 | stew | tedp: upgraded to what? |
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| 02:38.26 | tedp | it downloaded like 400 items |
| 02:38.28 | Spida | I have upgraded my xen dom0 from eth to squeeze (2.6.32-5), the domUs are lenny and squeeze (2.6.18-6). The domUs only have modules for 2.6.18-6 (especially ext3). If I start the domU with the new kernel, I only get / (missing ext3 module for other filesystems), with the old kernel the domU doesn't boot because of the sda => xvda change |
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| 02:38.40 | Spida | any idea how to fix this? |
| 02:38.43 | stew | tedp: i think you should consider reinstalling squeeze and sticking with that |
| 02:39.09 | stew | tedp: especially since we are just after a release. testing/unstable is not the right place for someone just getting to know how debian works |
| 02:39.20 | tedp | which is newer squeeze or wheezy? |
| 02:39.40 | Arrowmaster | squeeze is the latest stable version |
| 02:39.50 | stew | tedp: squeeze was just released 2 weeks ago. wheezy will be the next version to be released, probably in a couple of years |
| 02:40.05 | oldskoolpulsar | do i just add the a security repository to apt for latest updates for my lamp components |
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| 02:40.18 | tedp | my main concern is installing latest package clamav v.97. it doesn't matter wheezy or squeeze but whatever works |
| 02:40.29 | Arrowmaster | !security |
| 02:40.29 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>. |
| 02:40.48 | oldskoolpulsar | i installed clamav and it found ~10,000 windows viruses |
| 02:40.53 | Arrowmaster | ,,versions clamav |
| 02:40.56 | oldskoolpulsar | rather worrying i feel sorry for my friends |
| 02:40.57 | oldskoolpulsar | lol |
| 02:41.16 | oldskoolpulsar | luckaly they run a virus scanner |
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| 02:41.49 | Canar | i run without antivirus on windows usually |
| 02:42.04 | stew | tedp: squeeze should hopefully be updated with a new clamav soon, but right now it has 0.96 |
| 02:42.05 | Canar | if you know your software sources and behave intelligently online you're fine |
| 02:42.20 | stew | tedp: if you really need .97 instead of .96, i'd recommend backporting it to squeeze: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 02:42.32 | Arrowmaster | Canar: except if you have flash installed |
| 02:42.52 | Canar | that has to do with behaving intelligently |
| 02:42.56 | Canar | noscript |
| 02:42.59 | Canar | adblock plus |
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| 02:43.28 | Bry8Star | Hi guys/gals , I have a question ... I want to make a NameServer on a old pc with only 384MB ram , what linux or unix do u suggest, that will take less configuration to do on ? tia. |
| 02:43.55 | stew | Bry8Star: we generally recommend debian (suprise!) |
| 02:43.58 | Canar | ^ |
| 02:44.03 | Bry8Star | he he he |
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| 02:44.15 | Bry8Star | ... sure .. thats obvious. |
| 02:44.36 | stew | Bry8Star: if you want to hear other recommendations, ##linux might be a good place to ask |
| 02:44.45 | tedp | yeah it default to .96 but i want .97 |
| 02:44.47 | Bry8Star | Thanks stew. |
| 02:44.59 | Arrowmaster | tedp: why do you need .97? |
| 02:45.08 | tedp | latest and greatest? |
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| 02:45.43 | Bry8Star | But debian does have a release that can be used as NameServer and small footprint to work nice from a 384MB RAM computer ? |
| 02:45.53 | Cerales | Can anyone explain to me the difference between a link and a symbolic link in a filesystem? |
| 02:45.57 | tedp | i don't like the message that says "clam engine outdated" or something like "latest is .97" |
| 02:45.58 | Spida | Bry8Star: sure. |
| 02:46.09 | Spida | Bry8Star: just take some debian |
| 02:46.17 | arosen | Bry8Star: windows xp :P |
| 02:46.19 | arosen | Just kidding |
| 02:46.32 | Spida | Bry8Star: I am running several installations with <100MB ram |
| 02:47.13 | arosen | Bry8Star: imho it really doesn't matter what distro you run for that. You just need a headless install of any linux distro and that should do you fine. |
| 02:47.19 | Bry8Star | ... any debian release can be customized during installation to select only the stuff needed for NameServer purpose ? |
| 02:47.43 | arosen | Bry8Star: yes, just do the netinstall and install nothing and then just add what you need |
| 02:48.26 | Bry8Star | ... great , thanks. |
| 02:48.48 | tedp | i typed /msg dpkg ssb. what is suppose to happen next? |
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| 02:49.21 | un214 | for some reason trying to play cd doesn't work |
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| 02:49.31 | un214 | I can list tracks just fine |
| 02:50.01 | Bry8Star | In "netinstall" will I have the firewall still exist there ? |
| 02:50.36 | Bry8Star | ... or can be added later ? |
| 02:50.45 | Arrowmaster | everything can be added later |
| 02:51.06 | Bry8Star | ... awesome, thanks. |
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| 02:51.23 | Bry8Star | ... I will try my best. |
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| 02:54.09 | boota2 | I want to holywar about linux. It's a pity I can't here. |
| 02:54.57 | Canar | vim > emacs |
| 02:54.59 | Canar | go |
| 02:55.10 | tedp | can i just run "aptitude upgrade" for one package. otherwise this will take me two hours |
| 02:56.02 | boota2 | Canar, I agree with you. |
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| 02:56.08 | boota2 | I can not into emacs. |
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| 02:56.35 | boota2 | But I tried some perversions, like vimacs. |
| 02:56.39 | boota2 | And... |
| 02:56.41 | boota2 | I liked it. |
| 02:56.43 | boota2 | Heh. |
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| 03:00.19 | dbb | what is all this yammering.. anyway, I got an openssl enc variation that works.. so some progress |
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| 03:01.01 | boota2 | i don't know, maybe i should just mount all my server's fs via ssh to my host |
| 03:01.15 | dbb | sshfs works foe me |
| 03:01.21 | boota2 | and use my profile and such to mess with their config files? |
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| 03:02.01 | boota2 | and now more frustration about different editors configuration... |
| 03:02.06 | boota2 | *no more |
| 03:02.10 | boota2 | i like the idea |
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| 03:03.42 | tux0 | git, rsync, scp, setup famd or another daemon/program to automatically update the remote files when they are changed locally? |
| 03:04.01 | boota2 | rsync and cron? |
| 03:04.13 | boota2 | i used rsync via scp |
| 03:04.15 | boota2 | liked it |
| 03:04.30 | tux0 | rsync via scp? |
| 03:04.36 | boota2 | hell yeah |
| 03:04.39 | boota2 | why not? |
| 03:04.56 | boota2 | rsync can user different protocols for transport |
| 03:05.02 | boota2 | *can use |
| 03:05.44 | stew | you probably mean rsync via ssh not scp |
| 03:06.05 | tux0 | ideally well whatever that means, you might want a daemon such as famd or another program, forget the name but there are probably a few if not many that watch for changed to files |
| 03:06.25 | boota2 | stew, yeah, you're right |
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| 03:06.35 | tux0 | there is something called i* it's kernel side I believe |
| 03:06.39 | boota2 | it was ssh |
| 03:06.44 | tux0 | inotify or something |
| 03:06.44 | stew | tux0: inotify |
| 03:06.48 | tux0 | thanks |
| 03:07.43 | Technicus | Hello . . . |
| 03:08.07 | tux0 | boota2: you might want to look into shmux |
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| 03:11.28 | Bry8Star | ... I know you guys/gals dont like totally noobish people, but im bit above but still nobish ... can I use dynamic ip for a nameserver and then with at least tow of such computer, can I update one of my subdomain in my main domain (an EXAMPLE : "subd.b.com") ? |
| 03:11.45 | Bry8Star | *two. |
| 03:11.46 | sparc_ | Hey, does anyone know if there are more docs for dpkg --build? |
| 03:11.54 | sparc_ | the man page is really, really sparse for that |
| 03:12.06 | sparc_ | i want to know what it expects in the build root |
| 03:12.32 | dondelelcaro | sparc_: man dpkg-deb |
| 03:12.59 | sparc_ | aahok , i bet it really calls that |
| 03:13.02 | sparc_ | dondelelcaro: thank you |
| 03:13.11 | dondelelcaro | (dpkg takes lots of options where it doesn't actually do anything, but calls something else instead) |
| 03:13.15 | boota2 | shmux is nice, thanx |
| 03:14.31 | Spida | is there a linux-modules-2.6.32-5-xen-686 package? |
| 03:14.45 | Bry8Star | For an example lets say, I have "b.com", I want to update the A recored and NS record of two subdomain sd1 & sd2 under the "b.com" ... and sd1 & sd2 will both be using two different dynamic ip ... can this be done ? |
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| 03:17.32 | Bry8Star | Or, I want to do this ... a subdomain "sd.b.com" will have two NS server "ns1.sd.b.com" and "ns2.sd.b.com" for its usage. |
| 03:18.40 | Spida | I need only the modules for installation inside a domu, the image packahe has to many dependencies... |
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| 03:25.00 | tonytraductor | hi. |
| 03:25.34 | tonytraductor | trying to set up an ftp server on a web server running here in my office. The machine is running squeeze, and has apache2 running as a webserver |
| 03:26.09 | tonytraductor | when I try to run pure-ftpd -E -l unix -O w3c:/var/log/pureftpd.log, I get Unable to start a standalone server: Address already in use |
| 03:26.33 | tonytraductor | is this because there's already a web server running on the machine? can't I run both on the same server? |
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| 03:32.49 | WormFood | tonytraductor, as long as you're not trying to use the same port, it is fine |
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| 03:37.44 | _jesse_ | hey all, my ethernet one my server is apparently borked; I remember it warning that the firmware for my card might not be available while updating in the past, but it had always worked; apparently know it meant it :p Is there a way I can install it from a live cd? |
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| 03:39.55 | _jesse_ | *now |
| 03:40.02 | WormFood | _jesse_, you mean it was working, then just quit working? |
| 03:40.07 | lolcat | How do I remove a port from being protected? |
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| 03:40.31 | _jesse_ | WormFood: yeah, upon restart |
| 03:40.47 | WormFood | do you know the name of the firmware file it is looking for/ |
| 03:40.48 | WormFood | ? |
| 03:41.19 | _jesse_ | I'm booting up a live cd so I'll know more in the moment, but I think it was rt something or other |
| 03:41.37 | WormFood | live cd from where? |
| 03:41.52 | WormFood | if it is anything official debian, then it does not have firmware |
| 03:42.48 | _jesse_ | it's ubuntu |
| 03:42.56 | tonytraductor | oh, looks like pure-ftpd started after install, without me starting it. |
| 03:42.58 | WormFood | so if you need firmware available, for debian CDs and stuff like that, always go for the unofficial sources that have the firmware already on the CD...otherwise, you'll have to put it on usb and juggle things around....real PITA |
| 03:43.05 | tonytraductor | I killed it and restarted with the parameters I want. |
| 03:43.35 | WormFood | tonytraductor, I can almost guarantee, it was already running, which is why you got that message in the 1st place |
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| 03:44.33 | WormFood | _jesse_, I'm rather partial to the knoppix live CD/DVD...those work with just about everything, and have all the firmware files...another good one (depending on what you need to do) is backtrack |
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| 03:45.34 | WormFood | _jesse_, anyways, look in the log files, and see what firmware file it is loading, and copy that over to your main system (you probably don't need the live CD, look in the logfiles for the firmware it is loading, and copy that file off the cd) |
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| 03:46.56 | _jesse_ | WormFood: I have heard good things about knoppix, I just happened to have an ubuntu one on hand |
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| 03:47.25 | WormFood | sure, no problem, whatever works to find the firmware file you need...its all linux |
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| 03:48.20 | LinuxGuy2009 | I have an asus wireless card that I need to compile the driver that they provide. It is asking for the directory of the kernel source tree. Where do I get the kernel source from? Its not the linux-headers packages are they? Or something else? |
| 03:48.36 | _jesse_ | WormFood: true :) which logs should I be checking? dmesg shows r8169 for ethernet |
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| 03:49.01 | WormFood | I'd expect dmesg would tell you what firmware file it is loading too |
| 03:49.12 | tonytraductor | it WAS running, which is weird, because I had just installed it. |
| 03:49.23 | tonytraductor | I hadn't even opened the router ports yet. |
| 03:49.26 | tonytraductor | I have it working now. |
| 03:49.35 | LinuxGuy2009 | nm i got it |
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| 03:50.31 | _jesse_ | WormFood: mmm yeah, I see it, says r8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver 2.3LK-NAPI |
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| 03:51.05 | WormFood | _jesse_, but it should also give you an exact filename it is looking for |
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| 03:52.13 | _jesse_ | I don't see it |
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| 03:52.41 | un214 | what where is uuencode? |
| 03:53.06 | stew | sharutils: /usr/bin/uuencode |
| 03:53.10 | stew | un214: (/msg dpkg apt-file) |
| 03:53.11 | un214 | some package referrs to it but it's nowhere to be found |
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| 03:53.30 | stew | tonytraductor: its common for services to be started when you install one |
| 03:53.31 | un214 | apt-file: command not found |
| 03:53.43 | stew | un214: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 03:53.49 | tonytraductor | yeah, but without allowing me to determine what parameters I want? |
| 03:53.55 | stew | yeah |
| 03:54.03 | tonytraductor | I don't want anonymous ftp on my machine. I want this for personal purposes. |
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| 03:54.20 | zleslie | oh yeah |
| 03:54.35 | stew | tonytraductor: i'd be quite suprised if it installed by default configured for anonymous ftp |
| 03:54.45 | tonytraductor | why use ubuntu one or other "cloud storage" when I can ftp from my phone right into my /home ? |
| 03:54.54 | tonytraductor | actually, the server isn't my main box. |
| 03:55.27 | tonytraductor | I did read the man...I don't recall now if anonymous was enabled by default. |
| 03:55.37 | tonytraductor | you're probably right, it probably isn't |
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| 04:03.02 | tonytraductor | whois Gurty |
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| 04:03.32 | tonytraductor | zut alors...caught... forgot the / |
| 04:03.51 | Spida | if a domU doesn't mount any disks except / because it cannot understand ext3 (no modules installed), how do I fix this? it doesn't seem that a linux-modules-2.6.32-5-xen-686 package exists... |
| 04:03.53 | _jesse_ | WormFood: shifting back to debian, modprobe does say the driver is loaded |
| 04:04.06 | tonytraductor | well, I should quit playing with my server and translate some stuff.... |
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| 04:12.13 | FastOCR | dcc send startkeylogger 0 0 0 |
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| 04:18.00 | _jesse_ | kern.log says the link is down and that the network isn't ready |
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| 04:19.53 | _jesse_ | apparently this is a common problem |
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| 04:29.54 | WormFood | _jesse_, just because the module is loaded, does not mean the firmware is loaded |
| 04:30.52 | _jesse_ | WormFood: true, I installed firmware-realtek which supposedly provides the missing firmeware, but to no avail |
| 04:31.14 | WormFood | does it work on the live cd/dvd? |
| 04:31.58 | _jesse_ | I believe it did, but I'm booting it back up for my own sanity |
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| 04:33.03 | _jesse_ | because I'm beginning to doubt myself |
| 04:36.35 | _jesse_ | WormFood: Alright, I wasn't misremembering; it definitely works in ubuntu 10.10 liveCD |
| 04:37.30 | WormFood | ok...look and see what firmware file it is loading, and copy that to the right place on your debian box |
| 04:38.42 | _jesse_ | WormFood: I'm not sure how to discover that; I've checked dmesg, syslog, and kern.log |
| 04:38.50 | iwontbecreative | Hmmm, minitune 1.3 is using 3.0Gio ram :D |
| 04:39.12 | iwontbecreative | Hope debian guys will upload 1.4 anytime soon :P |
| 04:39.25 | _jesse_ | they all just say that the 'driver was loaded' |
| 04:39.30 | _jesse_ | but not from where |
| 04:39.50 | WormFood | I remember seeing it before in my logs |
| 04:40.15 | _jesse_ | perhaps a different log then |
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| 04:42.07 | WormFood | _jesse_, grep your /var/log/dmesg for "firmware", and see what you find |
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| 04:44.00 | WormFood | for example _jesse_, on my laptop, it loads "iwlwifi-3945-2.ucode" |
| 04:46.18 | _jesse_ | wait...... |
| 04:46.28 | _jesse_ | you've got to be kidding me |
| 04:47.00 | _jesse_ | yep, it was the wrong interface |
| 04:47.20 | _jesse_ | well there went an hour :p |
| 04:47.39 | _jesse_ | I still appreciated the help WormFood :) |
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| 04:47.58 | _jesse_ | turns out I'm just an idoit |
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| 04:48.47 | WormFood | shit happens |
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| 04:50.20 | _jesse_ | still don't see any messages concering which driver was loaded, but I'll leave that for another day; hopefully I'll never need to worry about it |
| 04:50.28 | _jesse_ | *which driver file |
| 04:50.45 | _jesse_ | time to ssh back in, brb |
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| 04:53.30 | _jesse_ | alright, back to normal |
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| 05:11.14 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 05:12.02 | johnfg | Any idea why just today I started getting the message from apt-get: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! openafs-modules-dkms |
| 05:12.22 | johnfg | But with pretty much anything I go to install. |
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| 05:12.34 | mongrol | ello |
| 05:12.43 | johnfg | howdy mongrol |
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| 05:31.46 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Which setup seems to be better for a fileserver/mirror machine? A software raid (md0) or LVM2 volume? Planning to use XFS |
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| 05:33.30 | karlpinc | hid3: Both. Software raid 1 all drives and put them all in the same vg. A drive can die and you don't lose the vg. Put lvs into the vg as required. (/boot excepted) |
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| 05:35.41 | hid3 | Well, don't wanna both of them |
| 05:35.54 | hid3 | I need to keep things simple and have less abstraction |
| 05:36.06 | hid3 | and won't use raid1 since the drives won't die |
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| 05:44.53 | Arrowmaster | 'drives wont die' heh |
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| 05:47.28 | simonrvn | FLW |
| 05:47.32 | gwz | Hey, I remember there being a wubi sort of thing for debian, I tried one but its not supported with win7 |
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| 05:54.22 | Arrowmaster | gwz: there isnt |
| 05:54.34 | hid3 | Indded, they won't |
| 05:54.48 | hid3 | I have never had a quality drive failure in 12 or so years |
| 05:55.02 | gwz | lucky you! |
| 05:55.10 | gwz | i had 2 fail on me in last 6 |
| 05:55.13 | hid3 | or even if they are to fail, they give enough time an notice to see it and fix the potential problem |
| 05:55.42 | hid3 | Worth tu mention almost all of them are in heavy-duty applications (ftp servers, mirrors, etc) |
| 05:55.46 | Arrowmaster | yeah, ive had 8 fail in less than 5 years of use each |
| 05:55.57 | gwz | shitachi and maxtor/seagate, are they quality drive? lol |
| 05:56.19 | obsd123 | is there an aptitude equivalent of yum provides? |
| 05:56.21 | hid3 | older seagates (made before seagate and maxtor merged) are quality ones |
| 05:56.25 | hid3 | hitachis are not |
| 05:56.28 | hid3 | maxtors are not |
| 05:56.37 | Arrowmaster | western digitals are not |
| 05:56.50 | gwz | thats like all the most popular brands :p |
| 05:56.56 | Arrowmaster | exactly |
| 05:57.08 | Arrowmaster | popular = cheap = low quality |
| 05:57.24 | gwz | not always true |
| 05:57.25 | hid3 | OK. Excelstor |
| 05:57.28 | hid3 | not so pupular |
| 05:57.29 | hid3 | :D |
| 05:58.23 | Arrowmaster | which is why the last time i purchased drives i paid twice the normal price per GB to get samsung raid class drives (complete with 7 year warrenty) |
| 05:58.27 | gwz | hear a lot of good stuff about WD raptor |
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| 06:05.07 | hid3 | So anyway: md0 or LVM? |
| 06:05.12 | hid3 | on XFS |
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| 06:09.35 | jeremym | i have asked this in #samba but no reply yet. I am trying to copy a file to a samba share on my debian 6 box and i get a "process cannot access the file because another process has locked a portion of the file" error message from windows |
| 06:10.03 | jeremym | log.smb shows that im getting Error was NT_STATUS_OBJECT_NAME_COLLISION |
| 06:10.09 | jeremym | any ideas? |
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| 06:25.19 | dracmas | I have a quick question if anyone knows the answer. Would it create problems for me if I wanted to build a live disk within a Virtual machine to use on another computer? |
| 06:26.25 | KB1JWQ | dracmas: That's... usually how they get built in the first place. |
| 06:27.24 | dracmas | Thanks allot :) |
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| 06:28.31 | dracmas | I'm making my own rescue disk with console apps for whenever I crash my system. lol that was the only thing I was really worried about. |
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| 06:42.02 | vagvaf | hello people, for some days now, when i log into my system it fails to load the top and bottom panels. everything else is working properly. when i kill GNOME and restart it, everything is back to normal. any ideas? |
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| 06:57.24 | joe6 | i am trying to use screen with gnome-terminal and when I do C-a, it just types ^a, to the terminal, instead of interpreting it as screen command. |
| 06:58.09 | ignotus | hi, I need some alsa configuration help, I see my sound card in cat /proc/asound/cards, but when I run alsamixer I only see "spdif", nothing else (like regular channels) |
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| 06:59.01 | joe6 | hid3, the raid1 is pretty stable and works well. just converted to raid-1 myself and I regret that I had not done it sooner. |
| 06:59.36 | Cerales | joe6:are you sure you're in an active screen session when you ctrl-a? |
| 07:00.10 | jeremym | incase anyone cares the solution to my problem was to add strict locking = no to the global section of my smb.conf file |
| 07:00.13 | joe6 | Cerales, just typed screen and it took me the top of screen. Is there something more that I should do to activate the screen. |
| 07:01.05 | joe6 | and i can see the screen process running. |
| 07:01.33 | Cerales | hmm, that should be fine though |
| 07:01.35 | Cerales | then* |
| 07:01.36 | Cerales | no idea sorry |
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| 07:03.11 | joe6 | Cerales, just removed my old .screenrc and it is working as expected now. |
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| 07:25.02 | cerpin | i did an update and now vlc player is gone because some dependencies are not fulfilled |
| 07:25.10 | cerpin | i am using debian testing |
| 07:25.39 | karlpinc | cerpin: File a bug report, after looking to see if someone else has the problem. Testing breaks like that. |
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| 07:45.04 | peterrooney | baffled by this problem: ~ $ grep [A-Z] |
| 07:45.08 | peterrooney | abcdefg |
| 07:45.12 | peterrooney | abcdefg |
| 07:45.16 | peterrooney | ^D |
| 07:45.19 | chinosuke | Hi. I just curious how to download debian iso installer without desktop manager. |
| 07:45.40 | kgoetz | chinosuke: wget? |
| 07:46.20 | peterrooney | chinosuke: use the netinstall. during install, change debconf priority to "low" so you can fine-tune during the install |
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| 07:46.39 | _jesse_ | peterrooney: what problem? I believe the flag is -e or -i to use regular expressions with grep |
| 07:46.43 | peterrooney | shouldn't grep be case sensitive unless directed otherwise? |
| 07:46.51 | cast | peterrooney: works fine for me, |
| 07:47.12 | cast | r@h:~$ echo asdf |grep [A-Z]|wc -l |
| 07:47.13 | cast | 0 |
| 07:47.24 | _jesse_ | peterrooney: works for me too |
| 07:47.34 | cast | perhaps an 'unalias grep' or a '/usr/bin/grep' might help |
| 07:47.45 | chinosuke | kgoetz: i mean like ubuntu they have desktop and server version. server version almost identical to desktop except no gnome installed. |
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| 07:48.14 | peterrooney | _jesse_: so, what variables are different in my setup? Only grep option i have is GREP_OPTIONS="--color=auto" |
| 07:48.21 | _jesse_ | chinosuke: when installing debian just uncheck the 'desktop enviornment' at the end |
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| 07:49.38 | _jesse_ | peterrooney: maybe a full oneline example that demonstrates your issue? What do you get when you run cast's code? |
| 07:49.43 | peterrooney | _jesse_: the problem is, I'm looking for uppercase letters in a long output, but it's passing all letters, and not colouring any of them. |
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| 07:50.00 | _jesse_ | peterrooney: well grep will return matching lines |
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| 07:50.14 | peterrooney | _jesse_: I get 1 |
| 07:50.15 | _jesse_ | perhaps you just aren't seeing the color for whatever reason |
| 07:50.17 | codicenero | hi all |
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| 07:51.10 | peterrooney | if i change A-Z to a-z, the match is coloured. |
| 07:51.26 | peterrooney | is this what going mad feels like? |
| 07:51.49 | codicenero | i'm using debian (of course) sid and kde 4.5.3, and i'm living an annoyng problem.. |
| 07:52.01 | _jesse_ | peterrooney: hmm... nope wait, mine does that too |
| 07:52.03 | ttiicc | I love debian |
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| 07:53.20 | _jesse_ | peterrooney: echo asdf | egrep '\[A-Z\]' |
| 07:53.36 | _jesse_ | peterrooney: I think the issue was grep was matching some character we couldn't see |
| 07:53.39 | codicenero | after a little usage of the system, when tryng to start an x application i get an x error message, which tells me that i have reached the maximum number of X clients |
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| 07:54.34 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 07:54.39 | codicenero | i noticed that i have (from xlsclients) about 60 plasma-desktop instances, is that number normal?? |
| 07:55.04 | peterrooney | _jesse_: what are the other letters I'm typing in that aren't the four left-hand home row characters? |
| 07:55.28 | _jesse_ | peterrooney: I'm saying [ or - might be screwing it up |
| 07:55.42 | _jesse_ | either the shell is looking at them or they mean something to grep |
| 07:56.01 | _jesse_ | egrep knows to use it as a regex, but the [s still need escaped |
| 07:56.46 | gypsymauro | suppose I've 10 servers with debian squeeze, and I want to apply some modifications to all that server without connecting on every machine, there is a way to deploy some operations (installing sw, modify conf files etc) in batch? |
| 07:57.26 | _jesse_ | peterrooney: invisible or non existant characters such as line end, line begin |
| 07:57.28 | peterrooney | _jesse_: well, with single quotes, you don't need to escape the brackets, but I still have the same issue. |
| 07:57.41 | _jesse_ | peterrooney: I was using single quotes |
| 07:57.45 | _jesse_ | peterrooney: they still need escaped |
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| 07:58.42 | _jesse_ | hmm |
| 07:58.45 | _jesse_ | maybe not |
| 07:58.56 | _jesse_ | blah this sucks |
| 07:59.01 | peterrooney | What's absolutely baffling, is if I type it as " | grep -v [ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ] " (namely, without hyphen) it works correctly. |
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| 08:00.36 | _jesse_ | hmm |
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| 08:01.53 | _jesse_ | peterrooney: yeah I dunno, that is strange |
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| 08:02.32 | peterrooney | Over my head, thankfully, there is a workaround (for now). |
| 08:02.52 | Slie | Anyone know a good start for micro controllers |
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| 08:04.57 | chinosuke | _jesse_: thanks :) |
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| 08:08.54 | peterrooney | gypsymauro: clusterssh |
| 08:08.58 | peterrooney | ,info clusterssh |
| 08:08.59 | judd | Package clusterssh (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: administer multiple ssh or rsh shells simultaneously. Version: 4.00.05-3; Size: 88.7k; Installed: 308k; Homepage: http://clusterssh.sourceforge.net/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/clusterssh |
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| 08:10.06 | anddam | hi |
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| 08:11.12 | anddam | I'd like to save an image of root fs content on the same fs, is it possible? |
| 08:11.50 | anddam | that is I don't want to dd it, I tried with find | tar using -xdeps but it somehow gets "special" fs too |
| 08:12.25 | anddam | this is a VPS with a 15GB disk space and ~500MB occupied |
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| 08:13.27 | kgoetz | what special foo are you expecting? |
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| 08:14.33 | peterrooney | anddam: while this sounds like an xy problem, rsync might do this better - its exclude syntax is less daunting than find's |
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| 08:15.45 | anddam | kgoetz: there's /sys that is sysfs, I'd expect it to be skipped because of -xdeps |
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| 08:16.33 | kgoetz | anddam: so you're not after a filesystem,b ut a full backup |
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| 08:16.48 | anddam | kgoetz: a full backup would involve 14,5 GB of nothing |
| 08:17.12 | anddam | but maybe I'm thinking about a dd image |
| 08:17.38 | kgoetz | ... !? |
| 08:17.45 | anddam | peterrooney: I'll try rsync |
| 08:18.11 | anddam | kgoetz: rephrase: would a full backup save all 15GB of disk space? |
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| 08:19.30 | kgoetz | no... i'm guessing you associate full backup with disk image |
| 08:19.46 | kgoetz | peterrooney: and i give you a gold star for predicting an xy problem in < 4 lines |
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| 08:20.31 | anddam | what tool should I look for? |
| 08:21.34 | peterrooney | kgoetz: I blame 4 years on the telephone support line. Everything is an xy problem. |
| 08:21.41 | anddam | surpisingly aptitude search ~backup shows 'backup-manager' among others |
| 08:21.47 | kgoetz | peterrooney: aye |
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| 08:23.37 | ignotus | hi, how can I use the bots to give me a packagename that contains a specific file? |
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| 08:24.18 | Bushmills | ignotus: you could use apt-file which isn't a bot but installable on your own machine |
| 08:24.57 | peterrooney | ignotus: you're thinking of apt-file perhaps? |
| 08:25.03 | peterrooney | dpkg: search |
| 08:25.03 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <debtags>. |
| 08:25.35 | ignotus | Bushmills, peterrooney thanks, I thought the bots could do this too, apt-file is ofc |
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| 08:25.57 | anddam | my guess is he wants to search packages in IRC |
| 08:26.20 | ignotus | anddam: yeah, one less package to install/update (I mean apt-file):) |
| 08:26.33 | anddam | I'd rather go with dpo |
| 08:26.36 | anddam | pdo* |
| 08:26.40 | ignotus | anddam: what is that? |
| 08:26.47 | ignotus | ah packages.debian.org |
| 08:26.56 | peterrooney | ignotus: the judd bott may have such a utility, but judd seems to have been offline more often than not of late. |
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| 08:27.40 | ignotus | peterrooney: I see, thanks |
| 08:27.59 | sako | hey guys i set up an alias, is there a cli tool for sending mail that ships with debian? |
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| 08:28.12 | sako | i tried installing sendmail however it wants to remove postfix :/ |
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| 08:29.34 | kgoetz | sako: thats probably a hint... |
| 08:30.06 | kgoetz | out of battery, afk |
| 08:30.10 | anddam | sako: for cli mailing I used mailx with external smtp support and my ISP's server |
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| 08:30.29 | sako | anddam: i just want to send mail to a user on the same system... |
| 08:30.34 | Bushmills | sako: unless very special needs, most people are likely to prefer postfix over sendmail |
| 08:30.47 | anddam | about backup topi I see there's vzdump package but it seems to be for openvz admin rather than end users |
| 08:31.02 | sako | Bushmills: i installed postfix, am i able to somehow send mail between my users on my system? |
| 08:31.03 | anddam | sako: so you don't need the smtp support |
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| 08:31.41 | Bushmills | sako: setting up postfix properly is *much* simpler than setting up sendmail |
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| 08:32.19 | sako | Bushmills: thanks I realize that.. I am asking if there is some way to send mail from root@server to user@server |
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| 08:45.17 | cast | are there debian source package dvds? |
| 08:45.18 | anddam | sako: have you tried mail/mailx ? |
| 08:45.18 | tedp11 | error: /usr/bin/mandb: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct. What can be done about this? |
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| 08:45.51 | anddam | tedp11: did you check your locale? |
| 08:46.09 | cast | actually scratch that, i found them on a master mirror, just not my local :( |
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| 08:49.12 | themill | dpkg: tell tedp11 about locale |
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| 08:50.38 | tedp11 | how u check locale, just type locale? |
| 08:51.19 | tedp11 | i set LC_ALL=C. Not sure if that's correct |
| 08:51.27 | themill | peterrooney: grep is affected by your locale settings; prefix your grep by LANG=C and spot the difference. in en_* locales, A-Z == AbBcCdD etc. |
| 08:52.12 | peterrooney | themill: en_CA.UTF-8 |
| 08:52.21 | themill | that'll do it |
| 08:52.34 | themill | peterrooney: btw what do you mean about judd being offline more than on -- I'm only aware of it being offline for periods of around 2-3 minutes about 4 times in the last year and that was for kernel ugprades on its host machine |
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| 08:53.23 | themill | (and if there's some other problem, I want to know about it!) |
| 08:53.34 | peterrooney | themill: bad luck, maybe, just the last 4 times I've been curious about something |
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| 08:54.40 | ksk | te |
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| 08:55.39 | peterrooney | themill: export LANG=C doesn't fix it. |
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| 08:56.36 | zap0 | how do i set an IP address for eth0 |
| 08:56.44 | peterrooney | themill: export LC_ALL=C does fix it... |
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| 08:57.34 | peterrooney | so locale setting affects regular expressions... huh. |
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| 08:58.17 | themill | peterrooney: LANG=C should be enough, unless you've got other LC_* things in your environment already (in particular LC_COLLATE or LC_ALL) |
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| 09:00.48 | cast | does using debian-squeezes source dvds as a means to create a local repo of all the source for packages i may want to complile on X platforms, sound a reasonable idea? |
| 09:01.25 | cast | though i suppose testing or sid will get me more uptodate tarballs |
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| 09:03.58 | zap0 | anddam can you give me an example? |
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| 09:05.15 | fbs | cast: the dvd contains the most used packages |
| 09:05.35 | fbs | so you could use it as a small repo |
| 09:05.43 | anddam | zap0: ifconfig eth0 1.1.1.1 |
| 09:06.12 | fbs | but you still need to pull the security updates |
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| 09:13.17 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:15.19 | tsccof | xmms isn't :( |
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| 09:16.13 | epsilon | I see smmx2 in squeeze? |
| 09:16.20 | epsilon | *xmms2 |
| 09:16.28 | tsccof | yep, but I like xmms, not xmms2 |
| 09:16.35 | tsccof | :P |
| 09:16.43 | epsilon | oO |
| 09:17.10 | epsilon | go get Potato |
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| 09:18.13 | cast | there's something fubar about xmms though :P |
| 09:18.39 | cast | ahh, its development is discontinued |
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| 09:19.37 | tsccof | yep, but it's better than audacious or any other player I have seen |
| 09:19.39 | cast | i hope one of the xmms forks has an identical UI to xmms, xmms reminds me of a time when computers were a world to be discovered |
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| 09:19.48 | cast | just uses mplayer * |
| 09:19.51 | ethanol | why would apt-get upgrade hold the following packages back? man-db usbutils |
| 09:20.06 | tsccof | cast: audacious is XMMS-based and it has an XMMS skin |
| 09:20.14 | tsccof | cast: and UI |
| 09:20.26 | tsccof | cast: it doesn't work as well as XMMS does though, rofl |
| 09:20.31 | ethanol | nevermind, aptitude upgrade does upgrade them, after installing 2 more packages |
| 09:20.34 | cast | oh, why doesn't work as well? |
| 09:20.42 | tsccof | crashed for me more than once |
| 09:20.46 | cast | ahh. |
| 09:20.48 | cast | bugger. |
| 09:20.55 | tsccof | didn't really go into finding the reason, I stick with xmms |
| 09:21.14 | cast | given my computer speakers are plugged into another host, i think i'm going to start digging the client/server arch of xmms2 |
| 09:21.33 | tsccof | yep, it's a nice feature |
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| 09:21.55 | Bushmills | cast: plugin API is IIRC what was fubared with xmms |
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| 09:29.31 | PeterNL | Hi. My wifi is not working. I have a rt2571WF which uses the rt73usb driver. When I do iwlist wlan0 scan it says this: "Failed to read scan data : resource temporarily unavailable" and dmesg had a lot of these: http://pastebin.com/7fYDSUnr. I do have the firmware installed. The same thing happens on two different squeeze installs. |
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| 09:30.41 | Noor_eg | hello |
| 09:31.03 | Noor_eg | i want to install skype to debian but its not found in softwair ceneter |
| 09:31.11 | Noor_eg | is it have another name same as firefox |
| 09:31.31 | nkuttler | !tell Noor_eg about skype |
| 09:32.12 | unreal-dude | anyone know of a way to import a keyboard layout in a .map to gnome? |
| 09:32.12 | Noor_eg | ty |
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| 09:38.17 | gypsymauro | someone knows if it's possible to add a "host description" in logwatch? I installed it on 10 server and it sends a mail for every server but they are numbered like server01 ...server01, I whish to add a description , but I can't find something like that in docs |
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| 09:39.26 | joltcan | gypsymauro: In logcheck there is a config file where you edit the header, I guess there should be something like that for logwatch as well |
| 09:39.43 | joltcan | gypsymauro: Or just use syslog, forward everything to a central syslog server and process the logs there |
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| 09:40.09 | Dewi | anyone know how I can satisfy the dependency for xserver-xorg-video-* , when using an unpackaged video driver? |
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| 09:41.57 | gypsymauro | joltcan: it would be nice :) |
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| 09:42.28 | eni23 | hello at all. someone knows how i can get iceweaswel-testing-packages for lenny? |
| 09:42.56 | Dewi | eni23: backports should have a recent iceweasel |
| 09:42.57 | sep | eni23, have you looked at backports ? |
| 09:43.29 | Dewi | eni23: http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/iceweasel |
| 09:44.16 | eni23 | oh sorry forgot i have sqeeze now |
| 09:45.02 | eni23 | and there is no newer iceweasel on backports ;( |
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| 09:46.58 | joltcan | gypsymauro: Just do it! (tm) |
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| 09:56.48 | ov3rmind | hello for anybody! |
| 09:58.33 | eBittin | hi |
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| 10:09.33 | eni23 | noone an idea how i can get iceweasel 3.6 on squeeze? |
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| 10:12.29 | jnewt_ | ok, running lenny, i have a cron job that did not run. ps aux | grep cron returns that /usr/sbin/cron is there. the script is in cron.daily, and have tested it directly. where should i go next? |
| 10:13.45 | llutz | jnewt_: whats the filename of the job? |
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| 10:13.52 | jnewt_ | backup.sh |
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| 10:13.59 | llutz | man run-parts jnewt_ |
| 10:14.02 | llutz | rename it |
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| 10:16.38 | jnewt_ | llutz: never heard of run-parts , but a quick read of the man page tells me that the file name is not in the restricted list for this command. why should i rename it? |
| 10:16.53 | llutz | the Debian cron script namespace (^[a-zA-Z0-9_-]+$) |
| 10:17.01 | llutz | it shouldn't contain a dot |
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| 10:19.30 | jnewt_ | ok, got it. where do i see the time it's going to run next? can i somehow test now that it will run at that time? |
| 10:19.54 | llutz | jnewt_: usually /etc/crontab |
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| 10:22.23 | jnewt_ | tx llutz |
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| 10:24.17 | ov3rmind | someone have problems under squeeze and kde4.x i only run gnome with atii drivers kde stops and noo starts? any tip |
| 10:25.18 | julianoliver | i would like to search for packages in the Sarge distribution (old,old stable). |
| 10:25.34 | julianoliver | packages.debian.org no longer supports sarge. anywhere else? |
| 10:26.16 | petemc | archive.debian.org or snapshot.debian.org |
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| 10:31.13 | julianoliver | petemc: cheers. i see no packages in archive.debian.org for sarge however. just package lists: http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/debian/dists/sarge/main/ |
| 10:31.30 | PeterNL | Hi. My wifi is not working. I have a rt2571WF which uses the rt73usb driver. When I do iwlist wlan0 scan it says this: "Failed to read scan data : resource temporarily unavailable" and dmesg had a lot of these: http://pastebin.com/7fYDSUnr. I do have the firmware installed. The same thing happens on two different squeeze installs. |
| 10:32.41 | eBittin | Somone knows of any Calender program that has a Debian PPC package? |
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| 10:33.58 | nomicon | Where can I find and download the bnx2 non-free drivers for Debian 6 Squeeze? |
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| 10:36.47 | nomicon | Anyone? |
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| 10:37.39 | ov3rmind | why only under debian, my wireless dont work and logs say calling crda too update world...blah,,, blah,,blah... i'm in brazil and here dont have crda authority responsable service! |
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| 10:40.53 | dekroning | is there away for me to have openbox startup automatically on boot ? |
| 10:42.42 | rozie | dekroning: you mean autologin? |
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| 10:43.05 | dekroning | rozie: yeah, and I dont' want to use gdm or something |
| 10:43.31 | rozie | well, it was my suggestion to use kdm (has this feature for sure) or gdm (probably has) |
| 10:43.42 | eBittin | forgot that sunbird was called iceowl in Debian :p |
| 10:44.41 | rozie | dekroning: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SLiM#Autologin |
| 10:44.50 | dekroning | rozie: thanks |
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| 10:45.40 | rozie | you will need kind of login manager(?), I guess |
| 10:45.54 | rozie | slim is pretty light and nice |
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| 10:55.13 | qide | hi everyone, how to install emacs' info manual in squeeze? |
| 10:55.36 | qide | I want to learn more about emacs. |
| 10:56.29 | petemc | have you enabled non-free?> |
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| 10:57.24 | qide | petemc,yes |
| 10:58.11 | petemc | emacs23-common-non-dfsg might be what you want |
| 10:59.06 | qide | emacs is a free software, why it's info manual is in non-free? |
| 10:59.31 | petemc | http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 |
| 10:59.41 | Sauvin | There appears to have been some consternation that man pages fall under a different license. |
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| 11:00.08 | qide | Thanks |
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| 11:01.32 | PeterNL | Hi. My wifi is not working. I have a rt2571WF which uses the rt73usb driver. When I do iwlist wlan0 scan it says this: "Failed to read scan data : resource temporarily unavailable" and dmesg had a lot of these: http://pastebin.com/7fYDSUnr. I do have the firmware installed. The same thing happens on two different squeeze installs. |
| 11:01.39 | Delf | I have a quad core @ 2.4 ghz. Which version should I install? |
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| 11:02.34 | Delf | OK. amd64 it is then. |
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| 11:03.50 | simonrvn | s,man,info, |
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| 11:04.08 | kenifanying | petemc,it seems that no package named emacs-23-common-non-dfsg in squeeze |
| 11:04.39 | Delf | Is squeeze the latest version? |
| 11:04.43 | kenifanying | petcemc,sorry ,i find it |
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| 11:10.21 | Prolac | hi, why I can't execute "init runlevel" as normal user? |
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| 11:14.16 | joltcan | Prolac: Because a user is not supposed to be able to change the runlevel? |
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| 11:14.37 | psteyn | anyone know the status of mysql 5.5 in unstable? |
| 11:15.05 | Prolac | but it doesn't make sense, I can shut down system via system -> shutdown, but I can't just hit "init 0" |
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| 11:15.21 | PeterNL | Hi. My wifi is not working. I have a rt2571WF which uses the rt73usb driver. When I do iwlist wlan0 scan it says this: "Failed to read scan data : resource temporarily unavailable" and dmesg had a lot of these: http://pastebin.com/7fYDSUnr. I do have the firmware installed. The same thing happens on two different squeeze installs. But it works on my ubuntu 9.10 install, which uses linux 2.6.31 (not 2.6.32) |
| 11:15.51 | PeterNL | How do I install 2.6.31 on squeeze? |
| 11:16.11 | joltcan | Prolac: If I assume that system->shutdown is via your window manager some how, then the WM give you additional power. The command shutdown or reboot won't work for a user either |
| 11:16.42 | Prolac | yea, I meant via gnome shortcuts |
| 11:17.13 | Prolac | so If that was normal (non vmware) install I wouldn't be able to do that |
| 11:17.16 | Prolac | ? |
| 11:17.16 | joltcan | Prolac: yes, so gnome probably does some extra magic on top of the command. Init is a low level command |
| 11:17.37 | adb | PeterNL, ask dpkg , /msg dpkg rt73 , etc |
| 11:18.08 | PeterNL | But now I want to test if it works with 2.6.31 |
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| 11:18.41 | PeterNL | Because it works in ubuntu 9.10 with linux 2.6.31 and fails in squeeze with 2.6.32 |
| 11:20.20 | Prolac | alright then, thanks joltcan |
| 11:21.45 | adb | PeterNL, will not ... (my guess) , lspci -nn | grep Wi , say ? |
| 11:22.02 | PeterNL | ...it's a usb device |
| 11:22.22 | joltcan | Prolac: All of the low level commands, that modifies the state (and typically lives in /sbin) requires root. Then the high level stuff can of course use other calls (like sudo, or pseudo root commands) to actually perform the same things. |
| 11:22.24 | PeterNL | and do you want me to run that on ubuntu or zqueeze? |
| 11:22.31 | PeterNL | squeeze* |
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| 11:24.30 | jelly | doesn't matter |
| 11:24.56 | Prolac | makes sense now, joltcan :) |
| 11:24.57 | PeterNL | well, there is no "Wireless" in lspci -nn |
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| 11:25.27 | jelly | well, yes, you just said it was an usb device |
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| 11:26.21 | PeterNL | wait a second, what do I do now? |
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| 11:28.32 | jelly | maybe adb has some other idea |
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| 11:29.38 | PeterNL | but the device is an rt2571wf, that is written on the chip itself |
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| 11:30.57 | PeterNL | lsusb on ubuntu says "148f:2573 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2501USB Wireless Adapter" and on squeeze says "148f:2573 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2501/RT2573 Wireless Adapter"... |
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| 11:32.11 | Prolac | one more quick question, why when I type "cd" as root it leads me to some "higest" path and there is nothing |
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| 11:33.01 | petemc | echo $HOME |
| 11:33.06 | Prolac | so I need to "cd /" to actually get to top level directory |
| 11:33.09 | Bushmills | Prolac: enter pwd there |
| 11:33.23 | Prolac | "/" |
| 11:33.37 | Bushmills | after cd , i mean |
| 11:33.52 | Prolac | yep |
| 11:33.53 | PeterNL | cd as root leads me too /root, which is root's home directory |
| 11:34.06 | PeterNL | s/too/to/ |
| 11:34.09 | Prolac | after plain cd, pwd id / |
| 11:34.14 | Prolac | *is |
| 11:34.21 | cast | if your / contains nothing you have a few issues |
| 11:34.46 | cast | least of which is people asking how you managed to still have a functioning terminal |
| 11:35.22 | Prolac | dunno :p, I'm still new to linux |
| 11:35.48 | Prolac | but when I type "cd /" it takes me to top level path |
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| 11:35.53 | PeterNL | you can't even chroot to an empty dir, lol |
| 11:36.00 | joltcan | Prolac: just "cd" brings you your home directory |
| 11:36.22 | joltcan | just like "cd -" brings you back to the directory you were in |
| 11:36.52 | PeterNL | hmmz, cd - is a neat trick :) |
| 11:36.53 | krish|wired-in | hey guys, my network download is about 11M/s in rescue mode, but in normal mode its about 400K/s .. any ideas anyone? This is Lenny |
| 11:37.25 | PeterNL | 11M/s sounds like 100 megabit at full load, is that how you are connected? |
| 11:37.45 | Prolac | you are the man joltcan :) |
| 11:38.42 | PeterNL | krish|wired-in: run netstat -4 (or 06 if you use ipv6) in normal mode |
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| 11:38.59 | krish|wired-in | petemc, ok lemme check |
| 11:39.18 | PeterNL | that lists every connection to your machine. It there anything which shouldn't be there and/or is eating your bandwith? |
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| 11:39.53 | PeterNL | oh, and netstat -4p lists process names |
| 11:42.16 | joltcan | PeterNL: Here is another one: "esc ." |
| 11:42.57 | joltcan | PeterNL: Gives you the last parameter of the last command. So if I do mkdir averylongnameorso, then I can do chmod 777 "esc ." to get that long name |
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| 11:43.10 | PeterNL | nice :) |
| 11:43.12 | kenifanying | hi, I want to install maxima-emacs with aptitude in squeeze, but it will install luatex tex-common texlive-base and so on. In fact i have install texlive2010. so, how to install it without install some tex packages? |
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| 11:43.28 | PeterNL | bash is getting more awesome every day I sue it lol |
| 11:43.30 | PeterNL | use* |
| 11:43.38 | cast | i find alt-. to be much easier to type than esc-. |
| 11:44.01 | cast | presuming your terminal supports the alt[meta] key |
| 11:44.13 | PeterNL | well, mine does |
| 11:45.03 | joltcan | I use esc to change windows in irrsi as well, so I guess I'm just used to esc |
| 11:45.17 | cast | uses alt for that, too :P |
| 11:45.51 | joltcan | cast: I had some problems with cross platform meta char, and esc worked on all platforms, so I just re-learned |
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| 11:46.29 | cast | nods |
| 11:46.33 | cast | i see your problem... |
| 11:46.36 | cast | coughs |
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| 11:46.54 | neglesaks | Hello folks. Regarding installign Debian 6.0, any suggestions for how I install to a boot drive, without the installer automatically installing a Master Boot Record? I would greatly prefer a GPT on my drive. |
| 11:47.02 | joltcan | esc-b/f to jump in the commandline is nice as well |
| 11:47.05 | joltcan | or ctrl-a/e |
| 11:47.26 | joltcan | Well, maybe I should work a little instead of typing pointless commands. Toodles! |
| 11:47.27 | Bushmills | neglesaks: grub-install /dev/yourdrive |
| 11:47.30 | cast | neglesaks: using the debootstrap method provides near infinite customization, FWIW |
| 11:48.01 | neglesaks | thank you Bushmills , cast, ilel check it out |
| 11:48.02 | PeterNL | i sue home and ens for those, but I don't have that on my laptop :) |
| 11:48.07 | PeterNL | use* |
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| 11:48.22 | PeterNL | damn, I should stop sueing things, and start useing them |
| 11:48.32 | Bushmills | you'll have to run update-grub, which supports passing grub directory as arg, but you can alternatively chroot to your root partition, with /boot mounted into it, and run update-grub there |
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| 11:49.16 | Bushmills | that way you're more likely that your boot kernels and root partition is actually found |
| 11:49.54 | PeterNL | What is the best filesystem for debian on a CF card? |
| 11:50.25 | neglesaks | tryign it now Bushmills |
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| 11:50.47 | PeterNL | And again, how do I install a 2.6.31 kernel in squeeze? |
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| 11:53.17 | sep | PeterNL, a read only like cramfs or squashfs perhaps? wont get less wear then those. or you can use jffs or yaffs. i dont know what's BEST tho |
| 11:53.28 | stew | PeterNL: why do you want 2.6.31? |
| 11:53.44 | sep | what's wrong with 2.6.32? |
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| 11:53.57 | PeterNL | because my wif adapter works in ubuntu 9.10 which has 2.6.3 and it fails in squeeze |
| 11:54.08 | PeterNL | err, it has 2.6.31 |
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| 11:54.23 | sep | PeterNL, probably missing firmware ? have you laded the firmware packages ? what's the device ? |
| 11:54.28 | PeterNL | I have installed the firmware on all machines I have touched the last week |
| 11:54.55 | PeterNL | The original question was: My wifi is not working. I have a rt2571WF which uses the rt73usb driver. When I do iwlist wlan0 scan it says this: "Failed to read scan data : resource temporarily unavailable" and dmesg had a lot of these: http://pastebin.com/7fYDSUnr. I do have the firmware installed. The same thing happens on two different squeeze installs. But it works on my ubuntu 9.10 install, which uses linux 2.6.31 (not 2.6.32) |
| 11:55.14 | PeterNL | So I figured something in .32 broke it, and now I want to test .31 on squeeze |
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| 11:55.58 | stew | PeterNL: you could get a 2.6.31 from snapshot.debian.org but realize that it would have a bunch of known security problems |
| 11:56.29 | PeterNL | that's probably fine to me (where can I get a list of those issues?) |
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| 11:57.38 | PeterNL | and which packages do I need to downgrade my kernel without breaking it? |
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| 11:58.17 | sep | PeterNL, there is a bug about that, have you tried the workaround suggested ? "iwconfig wlan0 power off" |
| 11:58.20 | sep | !567212 |
| 11:58.26 | sep | bug number 567212 |
| 11:58.38 | petemc | dbugs 12345 |
| 11:58.53 | PeterNL | hmmz, why haven't I found that somwehere yesterday? |
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| 12:00.02 | stew | PeterNL: the issues would be listed here: http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/linux-2.6 but I don't know a good way to tell which exist in 2.6.31 or not. you could guess that the ones fixed in recent 2.6.32 uploads exist in 2.6.31 |
| 12:00.12 | sep | PeterNL, i just googled rt73usb 2.6.32 |
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| 12:00.38 | PeterNL | sep: okay. I googled for those errors on pastebin |
| 12:01.05 | PeterNL | stew: lemme see... |
| 12:01.21 | sep | http://bugs.debian.org/567212 |
| 12:01.34 | PeterNL | sep: I already typed that myself :) |
| 12:01.42 | sep | goodie. |
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| 12:02.43 | krish|wired-in | PeterNL, what am I supposed to look for in netstat ouput |
| 12:03.05 | PeterNL | krish|wired-in: post it on pastebin (with the -p option) |
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| 12:06.09 | krish|wired-in | PeterNL, http://pastebin.com/2VKGa9iM |
| 12:06.32 | PeterNL | well, something is running wget. Hmmz |
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| 12:06.47 | PeterNL | can you also pastebin `ps -Af f` ? |
| 12:06.48 | krish|wired-in | yeah thats my download test |
| 12:06.55 | PeterNL | oh, that's okay |
| 12:07.05 | PeterNL | but that's the only output from netstat? |
| 12:07.11 | gnugr | anyone knows what is a ha.d directory |
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| 12:07.32 | _Dave1231 | Does anyone know a good webhosting panel alternative to ISPConfig? |
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| 12:08.10 | sep | _Dave123_, sorry i use vim |
| 12:08.23 | _Dave123_ | sep: ? |
| 12:08.32 | sep | _Dave123_, a text editor |
| 12:08.35 | _Dave123_ | and? |
| 12:08.49 | krish|wired-in | PeterNL, no grepped it to show the download |
| 12:08.58 | krish|wired-in | other active connection is mysql mostly |
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| 12:09.26 | PeterNL | is mysql using a lot of bandwith? What happens if you stop mysql? |
| 12:09.28 | sep | _Dave123_, just that i dont know any, and i did not want you to sit there and think we ignored you. good luck |
| 12:09.37 | PeterNL | (try service mysqld stop) |
| 12:09.57 | krish|wired-in | PeterNL, umgh.. no way :) live db box |
| 12:09.58 | krish|wired-in | hehe |
| 12:10.18 | krish|wired-in | PeterNL, mysql traffic comes from an internal server only |
| 12:10.20 | krish|wired-in | not much |
| 12:10.26 | PeterNL | sure about that? |
| 12:11.14 | krish|wired-in | yes |
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| 12:11.49 | PeterNL | well, then I can't help you any further. |
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| 12:11.51 | krish|wired-in | PeterNL, i can run the same download on another box |
| 12:11.54 | krish|wired-in | will be same |
| 12:11.56 | krish|wired-in | that doesnt run db |
| 12:12.05 | PeterNL | well, then try that |
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| 12:12.53 | krish|wired-in | PeterNL, its same :) about 490K/s |
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| 12:12.59 | krish|wired-in | that box is idle |
| 12:13.07 | PeterNL | and netstat -4p on that machine? |
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| 12:14.35 | krish|wired-in | PeterNL, tcp 5792 0 server02.oplexing:50533 mirror.netcologne.d:www ESTABLISHED 17681/wget |
| 12:14.45 | PeterNL | and other lines? |
| 12:15.09 | krish|wired-in | other lines do not have a send or receive Q ie., have 0 |
| 12:15.54 | krish|wired-in | other than my ssh |
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| 12:19.14 | krish|wired-in | PeterNL, any ideas :) |
| 12:19.18 | PeterNL | nope |
| 12:20.00 | PeterNL | sep: I tried that workaround, doesn't help |
| 12:20.27 | PeterNL | still the exact same errors... |
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| 12:21.52 | PeterNL | but what packages do I need from snapshot to properly downgrade my kernel? |
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| 12:34.49 | tim_flatus | I want to analyse some live audio with respect to max / min volume levels, so I can automatically split them into tracks. It doesn't have to be in real-time and a CLI would be great. Is Chris Cannam's 'sonic visualiser' in Debian, does anyone know? |
| 12:35.19 | tim_flatus | Can anyone recommend a good app from experience? |
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| 12:38.35 | z6t6c7u8i | CIAO A TUTTI !!!!! |
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| 12:43.45 | abrotman | tim_flatus: there's a program that can do that for records .. i'd imagine it would work for live streams too |
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| 12:45.07 | tim_flatus | abrotman: any idea what it's called? I'm installing jaaa to see if that will do it, and I just thought it's probably worth checking whether sox can do this too. |
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| 12:46.05 | adac | Would it be a problem to install http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/all/python-pastebin/download into lenny? |
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| 12:47.09 | themill | adac: depends whether you want it to work or not |
| 12:47.24 | themill | ,info pastebinit |
| 12:47.27 | judd | Package pastebinit (misc, optional) in squeeze/i386: command-line pastebin client. Version: 1.1-2; Size: 22.8k; Installed: 404k; Homepage: http://launchpad.net/pastebinit/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/pastebinit |
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| 12:49.26 | adac | themill, python-pastebin actually is the package |
| 12:49.34 | adac | whcih is not in lenny unfortunately |
| 12:49.40 | abrotman | tim_flatus: hold on .. i'll see if i can find it |
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| 12:50.02 | themill | adac: yes I know that's the package. I'm offering you an alternative that *is* in lenny. |
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| 12:50.34 | adac | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a "pastebin": a web site which allows its users to upload snippets of text for public viewing. |
| 12:50.48 | n1x | hi guys-s i have some easy question, i already installed debian lenny and kernel's dont have frameworks, how to install ths frameworks in kernel, without reinstall debian? |
| 12:51.07 | adac | python-pastebin should be the whole pastie itself for to install on a local server |
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| 12:51.43 | themill | adac: python-pastebin is not a pastebin. Read its description carefully. |
| 12:51.54 | themill | ,info python-pastebin |
| 12:51.56 | judd | Package python-pastebin (python, optional) in squeeze/i386: Python module to send text files to pastebin web applications. Version: 0.5.0-1; Size: 9.7k; Installed: 72k; Homepage: https://launchpad.net/nautilus-pastebin |
| 12:52.23 | adac | themill, right! |
| 12:52.31 | adac | sorry I missread it |
| 12:52.34 | leafwiz | Hey, its a bit off topic. But are there any other famous open source snmp monitoring plattforms other than Nagios, and Cacti ? I have been looking at torrus, rather torrus looked a bit rough. |
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| 12:53.02 | leafwiz | I'm just doing an evaluation on monitoring tools |
| 12:53.22 | themill | adac: Looking at the module more carefully, it looks simple enough that you could probably get that module to work on lenny if you grab python-support from lenny-backports. But it sounds lke it's not what you want anyway. |
| 12:54.14 | adac | themill, actually what I wuld like to have is a own pastebin application on my server for internal pastebins |
| 12:54.25 | themill | ,info pnopaste |
| 12:54.27 | judd | Package pnopaste (web, optional) in squeeze/i386: Pastebin with syntax highlighting. Version: 1.4-2; Size: 17.9k; Installed: 268k; Homepage: http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/pnopaste/ |
| 12:54.29 | Bushmills | leafwiz: snmp plugins exist for munin too, but i can't say anything about their quality |
| 12:54.55 | Bushmills | munin is not entirely unlike cacti |
| 12:55.00 | themill | adac: ^^ I can't tell you any more than it exists in the output "apt-cache search pastebin". I think the code for paste.debian.net is also available from its website |
| 12:55.13 | leafwiz | Bushmills, aha.. munin. I'll check it out :) |
| 12:56.16 | tim_flatus | abrotman: thanks :-) |
| 12:56.20 | adac | themill, i found this one whcih looks nice, but no deb i guess http://www.logilab.org/blogentry/35883 |
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| 12:57.15 | Bushmills | leafwiz: in this list you can find sources of the plugins, also snmp, which also come with the debian installation; http://scarydevilmonastery.net/munin.cgi |
| 12:57.35 | thewanderer1 | hi. where would I put an environment variable that should be sourced before GNOME or KDE starts? I launch the DE's from a display manager. |
| 12:57.53 | adac | themill, the debian pastebin looks also powerfull |
| 12:57.59 | Bushmills | (alphabetically sorted, look for those starting with s... |
| 12:58.00 | Bushmills | ) |
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| 12:58.40 | Bushmills | thewanderer1: /etc/environment or /etc/profile, or /etc/profile.d |
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| 12:59.02 | thewanderer1 | Bushmills: will profile be sourced by desktop environments at all? |
| 12:59.10 | Bushmills | (may be that debian has dropped /etc/environment) |
| 12:59.33 | Bushmills | those be included during boot, and become, when exported, global |
| 12:59.45 | abrotman | tim_flatus: it will take a bit .. google isn't giong to be helpful with "record" :) |
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| 13:00.57 | thewanderer1 | Bushmills: oh, ok. yes, /etc/environment seems to be there and pam_env.so uses this apparently, and is required by gdm auth. thanks |
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| 13:01.22 | Bushmills | for user local environment settings, ~/.profile should do |
| 13:01.29 | abrotman | tim_flatus: you're in luck! |
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| 13:01.55 | thewanderer1 | Bushmills: well, I need this to be sourced by the desktop environment before the window manager starts, so that some graphical settings that fix GLX in KDE work, for example |
| 13:02.18 | Bushmills | ah. well, that sounds more like something you want to be set globally |
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| 13:02.37 | thewanderer1 | yes. I'll do that in /etc/environment |
| 13:02.39 | abrotman | tim_flatus: the one I was thinking of was gramofile, it's in Debian, and it runs from the console |
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| 13:05.43 | thewanderer1 | another thing... I'm running Squeeze with GNOME in KVM, and it is triggering disk activity somehow |
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| 13:06.27 | thewanderer1 | every 0.6s or so I hear the disk writing (probably) something, and I don't know where to look to find the cause of this |
| 13:07.38 | Bushmills | thewanderer1: iotop should tell you |
| 13:07.42 | tim_flatus | abrotman: ok, thanks. sox will do it too, now I just have to wrestle with the command-line syntax ... |
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| 13:07.52 | thewanderer1 | iotop says: in the VM itself, 2.8% of the I/O goes to "jbd2/vda1-8" |
| 13:08.02 | abrotman | tim_flatus: seems like gramofile has it all figured otu for you .. up to you |
| 13:08.03 | Bushmills | fule system |
| 13:08.05 | Bushmills | file |
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| 13:08.41 | thewanderer1 | sure, but... what's it writing? |
| 13:08.46 | Bushmills | that's a daemon, launched by ext3 or ext4 |
| 13:08.54 | Bushmills | probably journal related |
| 13:09.24 | thewanderer1 | yes, so I guess too... but my host machine doesn't cause these silly sounds to appear, and it also runs some filesystems |
| 13:11.02 | thewanderer1 | I'll see if it's the graphical interface or something more daemonic on this system |
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| 13:14.16 | thewanderer1 | alright, it's not GDM or anything graphical |
| 13:14.28 | PeterNL | okay, downgrading to 2.6.31 did NOT fix my wifi problem, but it DOES work in ubuntu 9.10 with 2.6.31... |
| 13:14.31 | Bushmills | i suppose it is periodic journal maintenance |
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| 13:14.57 | PeterNL | My original question was: My wifi is not working. I have a rt2571WF which uses the rt73usb driver. When I do iwlist wlan0 scan it says this: "Failed to read scan data : resource temporarily unavailable" and dmesg had a lot of these: http://pastebin.com/7fYDSUnr. I do have the firmware installed. The same thing happens on two different squeeze installs. But it works on my ubuntu 9.10 install, which uses linux 2.6.31 |
| 13:15.12 | thewanderer1 | Bushmills: may be... but it's been doing this since yesterday - or that's when I noticed |
| 13:15.47 | thewanderer1 | PeterNL: perhaps Ubuntu ships different firmware packages rather than a patched kernel? try looking into that |
| 13:16.06 | PeterNL | how do I find out? |
| 13:16.18 | stew | PeterNL: look in /lib/firmware on both installs |
| 13:16.23 | PeterNL | okay |
| 13:16.52 | thewanderer1 | you could compare md5sums and versions if you manage to extract that |
| 13:17.23 | tim_flatus | abrotman: I can see gramofile might do the job. I'll read up on sox too. Nice one :-) |
| 13:17.52 | stew | PeterNL: you also might compare the output of "/sbin/modinfo rt73usb" on both installs to see that they are the same version |
| 13:18.06 | PeterNL | they have the exact same rt73.bin |
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| 13:19.57 | diago | hello, one of my drives died in an lvm and now I can't access the vg with any commands. The data isn't that important so how do I just remove the vg so I can recreate it? |
| 13:20.50 | PeterNL | same module version, but not the same source version |
| 13:21.32 | PeterNL | So what should I compare next? |
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| 13:23.12 | thewanderer1 | errrr... I stopped Cherokee webserver and there is no more noise |
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| 13:26.17 | thewanderer1 | however, iotop doesn't report cherokee as actually writing anything |
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| 13:27.28 | tim_flatus | abrotman: for the record - sox audiodump.wav -n stats - does what I want. |
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| 13:30.57 | lenswipe | guys i need help badly |
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| 13:31.08 | lenswipe | im in class at college and my laptop just uninstalled a fuckton of stuff with apt-get autoremove |
| 13:31.08 | rudi_s | !ask |
| 13:31.09 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 13:31.18 | lenswipe | including but not limited to all my networking drivers |
| 13:31.32 | lenswipe | so i have NO networking at all |
| 13:31.34 | lenswipe | including wired |
| 13:31.40 | lenswipe | is there anything i can do>? |
| 13:32.03 | amphi | it uninstalled kernel modules? |
| 13:32.18 | somiaj | how did you insatll the pacakges in the first place? If you didn't do a apt-get clearn, the debs may be floating around in /var/cache/apt/archives still and you should be able to just apt-get install them without the networking |
| 13:32.35 | somiaj | it does seem strange though, autoremove shouldn't be removing networking packages or kernel modules |
| 13:32.45 | lenswipe | amphi, no just stuff like network manager and stuff |
| 13:32.54 | lenswipe | amphi: so if i type ifconfig i just get "lo" |
| 13:33.09 | lenswipe | along with all the GTK themes |
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| 13:33.15 | lenswipe | so everything looks like crap aswell |
| 13:33.24 | lenswipe | why does aptitude do this stupid shit? |
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| 13:33.42 | knuffee | hi, when I do /etc/init.d/networking restart it says that it's deprecated |
| 13:33.43 | amphi | so you can configure your interface manually |
| 13:33.46 | knuffee | but it doesn't provide an alternative |
| 13:33.52 | knuffee | how else would I reload interfaces (5)? |
| 13:33.57 | amphi | ifconfig -a will show you the interfaces |
| 13:34.12 | knuffee | what? |
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| 13:34.33 | amphi | lenswipe: if you connected to a router by ethernet, you should be able to do dhclient eth0 |
| 13:34.35 | Bartzy | Hi |
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| 13:34.50 | amphi | lenswipe: assuming your interface is eth0, of course |
| 13:34.54 | lenswipe | amphi: "bash: dhclient: command not found" |
| 13:35.02 | Bartzy | I have a weird problem on squeeze 64-bit... In the shell, the prompt is changing some dirs names in 1 char ... |
| 13:35.05 | lenswipe | nvm thats it |
| 13:35.13 | lenswipe | so i can ping, but nothing else |
| 13:35.16 | knuffee | oh sory amphi I thought you were talking to me |
| 13:35.21 | Bartzy | arch becomes achh in prompt |
| 13:35.38 | amphi | lenswipe: your network iface is up? |
| 13:35.41 | lenswipe | yes |
| 13:35.59 | amphi | lenswipe: but you can't resolve, is that it? |
| 13:36.07 | lenswipe | no its fine |
| 13:36.15 | amphi | lenswipe: all good? |
| 13:36.16 | lenswipe | im just busy telling it to re-install the "gdm" package |
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| 13:36.29 | lenswipe | amphi: i can get the internet, but stuff like network manager and shit is still missing |
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| 13:36.33 | lenswipe | LOADS of packages are just *GONE* |
| 13:36.36 | lenswipe | and idk wh |
| 13:36.37 | lenswipe | why* |
| 13:36.50 | PeterNL | My wifi is not working. I have a rt2571WF which uses the rt73usb driver. When I do iwlist wlan0 scan it says this: "Failed to read scan data : resource temporarily unavailable" and dmesg had a lot of these: http://pastebin.com/7fYDSUnr. I do have the firmware installed. The same thing happens on two different squeeze installs. But it works on my ubuntu 9.10 install, which uses linux 2.6.31 |
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| 13:37.20 | PeterNL | I even tried on squeeze with 2.6.31 and that fails |
| 13:37.30 | lenswipe | amphi: stuff like proxyconfig and network config are missing from the admin menu aswell, how do i get them back? |
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| 13:37.49 | thewanderer1 | Bartzy: known bug |
| 13:37.54 | amphi | no idea - I have no menus, so I don't what they are |
| 13:37.56 | lenswipe | amphi: and now its saying it cant download the packages |
| 13:37.59 | PeterNL | My wifi is not working. I have a rt2571WF which uses the rt73usb driver. When I do iwlist wlan0 scan it says this: "Failed to read scan data : resource temporarily unavailable" and dmesg had a lot of these: http://pastebin.com/7fYDSUnr. I do have the firmware installed. The same thing happens on two different squeeze installs, with linux 2.6.32 and 2.6.31 (I downgraded). But it works on my ubuntu 9.10 install on another machine |
| 13:38.08 | lenswipe | amphi: this shit is really really retarded |
| 13:38.39 | thewanderer1 | Bartzy: if you're using \W in PS1, it will break on "root", "home" and so on... also on some texts of other length. the Gentoo guys have it fixed, but it's still broken in Squeeze, dunno about testing/sid |
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| 13:39.04 | PeterNL | lenswipe: you can get them back by re-installing the right gui programs (maybe from cd?) |
| 13:39.05 | lenswipe | amphi: i was stupid enough to believe that debian might be a good OS for college, right now im in a software development lecture, im getting absolutely FUCK ALL out of the lecture, because im too busy fixing "the worlds universal operating system" |
| 13:39.20 | lenswipe | PeterNL: but why the f*ck were they removed in the first place? |
| 13:39.30 | amphi | !comfort lenswipe |
| 13:39.31 | dpkg | There, there, lenswipe. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 13:39.54 | lenswipe | dpkg: GTFO |
| 13:39.54 | dpkg | well, gtfo is get the fsck out |
| 13:40.02 | lenswipe | yes it is |
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| 13:40.25 | lenswipe | amphi: where is menu.lst on debian? |
| 13:40.40 | lenswipe | amphi: im gonna configure grub to get back into my windows partition and screw debian |
| 13:40.41 | amphi | /boot/grub |
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| 13:40.48 | lenswipe | yeah its not there |
| 13:41.14 | lenswipe | amphi: /boot./grub has everything *EXCEPT* menu.lst |
| 13:41.17 | lenswipe | for me anyway# |
| 13:41.32 | amphi | if it's grub2, it'll be grub.cfg |
| 13:42.18 | amphi | but if you want windows, why not boot a cd and have windows restore its own mbr ? |
| 13:42.28 | amphi | a windows cd |
| 13:42.32 | lenswipe | amphi: because i like grub and im at college |
| 13:42.38 | lenswipe | amphi: thats why im pissed at debian doing this |
| 13:42.39 | PeterNL | if there is a windows partition on your current drive, just run updarte-grub and there will be a windows menu option. |
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| 13:42.59 | lenswipe | im in a lecture, and right now im fucking missing everytjing because im trying to fix motherfucking debian |
| 13:43.02 | lenswipe | *fume* |
| 13:43.04 | PeterNL | (you might want to change the timeout in /etc/default/grub first) |
| 13:43.09 | lenswipe | who the fuck dreams up thie crap? |
| 13:43.12 | amphi | I'm not sure you have the right agent - debian has never done such a thing to me |
| 13:43.29 | Psi-Jack | lenswipe: Geez. Mind the language already, looking quite like a fricken whiney brat child. |
| 13:43.35 | Psi-Jack | Who needs soap in mouth. |
| 13:43.35 | lenswipe | "i know, this will be a good idea, ill have aptitude remove every single fucking package and incase they try to re-install ill have it take the interfaces out" |
| 13:43.59 | amphi | lenswipe: grub.cfg normally should not be edited manually, but as you aren't going to boot debian any more, it doesn't matter |
| 13:44.15 | PeterNL | hmmz, windows has gave me bsod's in similar situations. I wouldn't see that as an improvement... But you should use whatever os you like most ;) |
| 13:44.32 | amphi | lenswipe: you're talking nonsense, and I weary of your tantrum |
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| 13:45.38 | lenswipe | amphi: how do i configure grub to boot into widows? |
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| 13:46.14 | amphi | no idea |
| 13:46.15 | lenswipe | amphi: i know where windows is: its on /dev/sda1 |
| 13:46.19 | babilen | lenswipe: Please calm down. It is clearly not the fault of the OS, but rather a lack of knowledge or misunderstanding on your side. What you describe sounds as if you removed the "gnome" metapackage (probably by removing one of its dependencies), which let a lot of automatically installed packages just linger around without reason. |
| 13:46.47 | lenswipe | babilen: its the fault of whichever idiot decided it would be a good idea for aptitude to remove gnome randomly |
| 13:46.52 | lenswipe | </rant> |
| 13:47.10 | lenswipe | ive just missed most of my CS lecture, i guess it is a little bit of an overreaction to be pissed about that |
| 13:47.22 | cast | doesn't aptitude ask you before it does anything |
| 13:47.39 | anddam | and I'm wondering why lenswipe need to fix his debian (or boot into windows) in order to follow a lecture |
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| 13:48.13 | babilen | lenswipe: A good way to fix this is to install one of the lighter gnome metapackages (gnome-session, gnome-core, gnome-desktop-environment) and "aptitude unmarkauto" other packages you want to keep. You might have learned not to perform certain actions without thinking. There was a little poster in the sysadmin room @ uni: "Think while you type and think again before you hit enter" |
| 13:48.16 | PeterNL | no program has ever removed anything on my system unless I asked to... Noone ever decided that anything should be removed "randomly" |
| 13:48.31 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 13:49.23 | PeterNL | And now for something completely different: My wifi is not working. I have a rt2571WF which uses the rt73usb driver. When I do iwlist wlan0 scan it says this: "Failed to read scan data : resource temporarily unavailable" and dmesg had a lot of these: http://pastebin.com/7fYDSUnr. I do have the firmware installed. The same thing happens on two different squeeze installs, with linux 2.6.32 and 2.6.31 (I downgraded). But it works on my ubuntu 9.10 in |
| 13:49.23 | PeterNL | stall on another machine |
| 13:49.31 | babilen | anddam: How could one follow a lecture if one can't surf on the internet? |
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| 13:49.47 | le0n2s | hello! i need from help! i wanna know how to get information in (%)percentage from memory and cpu if possible network and write the results in a file.. for example... # ./verifycpupercentage > filecpu ; cat filecpu = 87% CPU Utilization, any ideas? |
| 13:49.54 | cast | i need to ask questions via facebook |
| 13:49.57 | babilen | PeterNL: Still that problem? |
| 13:50.01 | PeterNL | yep |
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| 13:50.11 | PeterNL | still the same errors as yesterday |
| 13:50.12 | anddam | babilen: sarcasm? |
| 13:50.20 | babilen | PeterNL: Any more information you might want to share before yet another person dives into the issue? |
| 13:50.20 | cast | le0n2s: is your intent to create a monitoring system? |
| 13:50.24 | babilen | anddam: not at all |
| 13:50.34 | anddam | babilen: damn, I thought I had this one⦠|
| 13:50.35 | PeterNL | I don't have anything useful |
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| 13:50.47 | PeterNL | but if you need more info, please ask! |
| 13:51.02 | kenifanying | hi, how to clear dns cache in squeeze? |
| 13:51.10 | anddam | babilen: I guess one could listen the speaker rather than browsing the interweb |
| 13:51.14 | babilen | anddam: hehe. No, I've just seen PeterNL around in the last days asking this question and thought/hoped that the issue is resolved by now. |
| 13:51.40 | le0n2s | cast: +/- I'm creating an project to my school. and i want do a simple system monitor, but i don't want use, nagis, cacti, zenoss, i wanna create my personal project. |
| 13:51.41 | thewanderer1 | kenifanying: there is no "DNS cache" in Squeeze. it's not Windows |
| 13:51.47 | anddam | babilen: no, I was referring to the lecture/notebook thing |
| 13:51.55 | cast | le0n2s: lets see, top -b -n1|sed -n 3p will get you cpu info |
| 13:51.56 | le0n2s | cast: but i'm learning about linux yet, so i need from help. |
| 13:52.00 | babilen | anddam: Ah, yes. The "can't surf on the internet" one was sarcasm. Sorry for the borked chat entanglement. I clearly need to work on my local coherence model ;) |
| 13:52.13 | thewanderer1 | le0n2s: tried SNMP? or just look into top's and others' source code and pick what you like |
| 13:52.16 | PeterNL | the weir thing is that it does work on ubuntu 9.10 (2.6.31) but not on squeeze (2.6.31 and 2.6.32) |
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| 13:52.21 | PeterNL | weird* |
| 13:52.23 | anddam | babilen: so I am getting better at this :-) |
| 13:52.29 | babilen | anddam: you are |
| 13:52.58 | babilen | PeterNL: Ok, give me a second. I'll try my google and bts-fu |
| 13:53.05 | PeterNL | okay :) |
| 13:53.24 | babilen | PeterNL: Could you give me the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" ? |
| 13:53.26 | anddam | cheers up |
| 13:53.28 | le0n2s | thewanderer1: I sayd: i'm a noob in linux yet, what do you know and's easy system monitor using smnp to me? remember... i don't want copy nothing progam as nagios, zenoss etc. |
| 13:53.33 | PeterNL | (but I've googled that error, and I found nothing related to my problem) |
| 13:53.47 | kenifanying | thewandererl, there is a strange thing, I can acess mail.google.com in xp but not in squeeze |
| 13:53.50 | cast | le0n2s: top -b -n1|sed -n 4,5p memory stats...but you'll have to do the % bit yourself there, network stats are a bit more tricky as you have to be careful what you'll looking for, ifconfig is a reasonable start, though beware those tx/rx counters wrap easily on 32bit systems |
| 13:54.19 | kenifanying | i install xp in virtualbox and use NAT |
| 13:54.53 | babilen | PeterNL: Or rather paste the complete output of "lspci -knn|grep -A2 -ie network" http://paste.debian.net |
| 13:55.13 | PeterNL | babilen: it's a usb device, so lspci won't find it. But it's "148f:2573 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2501/RT2573 Wireless Adapter" in lsus |
| 13:55.29 | PeterNL | lsusb* |
| 13:55.29 | babilen | right -- gah! ok, thanks. |
| 13:55.31 | le0n2s | cast: but it's don't show memory percentage, exit something to do it more easy to me? |
| 13:56.11 | cast | le0n2s: yes, thats what i said ;) |
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| 13:56.35 | le0n2s | cast: heheh! can i do to get percentage using something |
| 13:56.37 | le0n2s | ? |
| 13:57.15 | babilen | PeterNL: Do you have "ralink-firmware" installed? (dpkg -l ralink-firmware) What is the output of "modprobe -r rt73usb ; modprobe rt73usb ; dmesg|tail -10" ? |
| 13:57.24 | cast | vmstat has a wealth of performance monitoring information, too, though perhaps a bit beyond you at this point |
| 13:57.36 | PeterNL | yep, I have that (the exact same firmware as on ubuntu) |
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| 13:58.54 | babilen | PeterNL: Ok, could you paste the output of the second command and "modinfo rt73usb" (i don't have a .32 kernel around atm -- you need to run that as root) |
| 13:59.14 | babilen | PeterNL: Include "ifconfig -a" and "iwconfig" while you are at it :) |
| 13:59.25 | amphi | le0n2s: you can get the info out of /proc/stat |
| 13:59.26 | PeterNL | wait a few seconds... |
| 13:59.51 | stew | (modinfo doesn't actually need root, but /sbin might night be in user's path) |
| 14:00.15 | amphi | le0n2s: I have a perl script I wrote for xmobar to do that for two cores; if you want, I can pastebin it, and you can adjust to taste |
| 14:00.15 | PeterNL | first the dmesg output after those first morptobe -r; modprobe sequencehttp://pastebin.com/q4CB5Cpd |
| 14:00.52 | PeterNL | then modinfo: http://pastebin.com/vbSctzCn |
| 14:01.01 | cast | if its only for a single host, you could just run conky/mgm remotely :) |
| 14:01.09 | amphi | le0n2s: as it is, it gets cpu % for two cores, & the output is disfigured with markup, but it's easy to ameliorate it for your own purposes |
| 14:01.12 | le0n2s | amphi: please! |
| 14:01.14 | cast | when they disappear off your desktop something bad happened |
| 14:01.37 | PeterNL | then ifconfig -a: http://pastebin.com/QTXHvTRY |
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| 14:02.15 | PeterNL | then iwconfig: http://pastebin.com/3iWMuXf3 |
| 14:02.41 | le0n2s | amphi: when pastebin, talk to me, thanks! :) |
| 14:03.00 | thewanderer1 | alright, something is broken with Cherokee on Squeeze |
| 14:03.01 | babilen | PeterNL: Please just create a single pastebin next time (less tabs open and a single point of reference) -- thanks for the information. |
| 14:03.25 | PeterNL | babilen: how do I pipe multiple commands into pastebinit? |
| 14:03.33 | amphi | le0n2s: actually, I have a bash script also, it seems, dunno why - which would you prefer? |
| 14:03.53 | PeterNL | wait, I can do sh -c "blah1; blah2; ..." | pastebinit :D |
| 14:04.14 | babilen | PeterNL: yeah, could you give me lsmod as well? |
| 14:04.28 | le0n2s | amphi: bash script is pretty |
| 14:04.34 | amphi | le0n2s: I think the perl script is better, actually |
| 14:04.34 | le0n2s | please.:) |
| 14:04.40 | le0n2s | haha |
| 14:04.47 | PeterNL | babilen: sure: http://pastebin.com/vjdu8PNn |
| 14:04.50 | le0n2s | so send to me two scripts :) |
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| 14:05.21 | amphi | le0n2s: http://paste.debian.net/plain/108723 |
| 14:06.14 | stew | hmm, rt2500usb? |
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| 14:06.31 | dvs | there's two of them |
| 14:06.40 | PeterNL | stew: blacklisting that one doen't have any effect |
| 14:06.45 | PeterNL | I tried |
| 14:06.50 | PeterNL | ...yesterday |
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| 14:06.58 | babilen | PeterNL: Ah, that was my next questions :) |
| 14:07.04 | stew | PeterNL: did you actually remove it when you blacklisted it? |
| 14:07.05 | babilen | too bad! |
| 14:07.16 | stew | there is also rt2x00usb |
| 14:07.46 | PeterNL | I rebooted coutless times, I blacklisten both modules (one at a time) and nothing helped |
| 14:07.54 | babilen | PeterNL: You blacklisted and removed both modules? The problem is that different devices seem to share the same ID and that all these modules are loaded. AFAICT you want rt73usb |
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| 14:08.22 | PeterNL | both modules depend on rt2x00usb, so I never blacklisted that one |
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| 14:08.52 | stew | PeterNL: can we have you remove all three (modprobe -r rt73usb ; modprobe -r rt2x00usb ; modprobe -r rt2500usb), then just load rt73usb now just to be positive? |
| 14:09.07 | PeterNL | (and by default it loads both modules, but when I tell it to load only tr2500usb it fails worse that with only rt73usb) |
| 14:09.08 | babilen | Could you please try to remove all the rt* modules ( .... ^^^^ /me smiles at stew |
| 14:09.12 | PeterNL | I will do that right now |
| 14:09.18 | stew | HI! |
| 14:09.24 | dvs | HI |
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| 14:09.28 | babilen | HU! |
| 14:09.31 | PeterNL | (yes, I will remove all rt* modules to start with) |
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| 14:10.24 | babilen | PeterNL: And do the same with 'rt2500usb' blacklisted (if it still comes up) |
| 14:10.54 | PeterNL | rt2500usb doesn't come up untill I unplug it, and plug it in again |
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| 14:11.24 | PeterNL | now I have only rt2x00usb, rt2x00lib and rt73usb loaded |
| 14:11.48 | babilen | wonderful |
| 14:11.48 | amphi | le0n2s: any good to you? |
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| 14:12.06 | PeterNL | ifconfig wlan0 up generates more errors in dmesg |
| 14:12.08 | dvs | PeterNL: Blacklist rt2500usb |
| 14:12.11 | le0n2s | amphi: YEAH! thanks! :) |
| 14:12.20 | amphi | le0n2s: you're welcome |
| 14:12.26 | le0n2s | amphi: now i need memory :( |
| 14:12.43 | PeterNL | dvs: it's not loaded atm. rt2500usb it not being in the way now |
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| 14:13.04 | hiley | I installed iptables by 'sudo aptitude install iptables' |
| 14:13.04 | dvs | PeterNL: you need to stop loading it in the future. |
| 14:13.10 | hiley | however, I get this when I try using it: -bash: iptables: command not found |
| 14:13.14 | hiley | what did I do wrong? |
| 14:13.15 | babilen | dvs: something to be worked on later |
| 14:13.21 | dvs | ok |
| 14:13.22 | amphi | le0n2s: /proc/meminfo has all you need |
| 14:13.23 | babilen | PeterNL: Are those the same error? |
| 14:13.30 | PeterNL | same, yes |
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| 14:13.57 | PeterNL | for clarity: unloading rt2500usb did NOT change anything |
| 14:14.07 | le0n2s | amphi: thx. |
| 14:14.16 | amphi | yw |
| 14:14.50 | amphi | le0n2s: am I doing your homework? ;) |
| 14:14.53 | dkr | hiley: iptables is in /sbin so you need to use the full path to run it or add /sbin to your path environment variable |
| 14:15.29 | le0n2s | amphi: hahaha! |
| 14:15.51 | PeterNL | err, things in sbin are supposed to be run as root, right? as sbin is in root's PATH... |
| 14:16.24 | hiley | dkr: ah, thanks |
| 14:16.56 | amphi | PeterNL: some things, like ifconfig, can be usefully run as $USER |
| 14:17.05 | babilen | PeterNL: You can run modinfo as user (stew pointed that out earlier), but it is not in your PATH |
| 14:17.29 | PeterNL | sure, it can be done, but those are root-ish things, right? |
| 14:17.36 | dkr | PeterNL: not necessarily, some of the tool in /sbin can be run as a user for informational purposes, e.g. ifconfig |
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| 14:17.48 | babilen | PeterNL: Hmm, if we don't find anything you might want to post to http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/mailman/listinfo/users_rt2x00.serialmonkey.com |
| 14:17.58 | PeterNL | maybe... |
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| 14:18.35 | kenifanying | hi all, my iceweasel and chromium-browser couldn't establish https connection,how to fix it ? |
| 14:18.54 | babilen | PeterNL: Could you paste your dmesg after unloading *all* rt* modules and loading (and trying) it along with lsmod? (dmesg|tail -100 should suffice) |
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| 14:19.26 | PeterNL | oh, wait a second, I just rebooted the machine... |
| 14:19.31 | thewanderer1 | kenifanying: https connection to what? |
| 14:19.40 | kenifanying | mail.google.com |
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| 14:20.03 | dvs | and not bl |
| 14:20.20 | PeterNL | Now it's running my *other* debian squeeze install which has the same problems (and has also the firmware installed, and runs 2.6.32) |
| 14:20.28 | thewanderer1 | kenifanying: can you connect through any other application to port 443? |
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| 14:20.55 | kenifanying | thewandererl,how to test it? |
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| 14:21.14 | babilen | PeterNL: make sure you blacklist -- why do you have two squeeze installations? |
| 14:21.35 | stew | i have like 5 squeeze installations |
| 14:21.57 | PeterNL | one is my main install on hdd, the other is for a project on a CF card |
| 14:22.26 | PeterNL | and ubuntu (which doesn't have the problems) is my main os for my laptop |
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| 14:23.08 | kenifanying | thewandererl, which application can be used to test port 443? Could you give me more details? |
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| 14:23.22 | thewanderer1 | kenifanying: nc -z mail.google.com 443 && echo CONNECTED |
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| 14:23.53 | jacktheripper | is there a way to continue an unsuccessful debian netinst installation ? |
| 14:24.00 | jacktheripper | or at least recover the downloaded packages. |
| 14:24.05 | Devastator | good old netcat.. |
| 14:24.10 | babilen | PeterNL: And you are sure that the same stick works without problems on other machines? |
| 14:24.27 | babilen | PeterNL: Or other operating systems? How is the stick connected? |
| 14:24.31 | PeterNL | it works fine on my laptop with ubuntu |
| 14:24.38 | kenifanying | thewandererl,CONNECTED |
| 14:24.53 | PeterNL | it's connected to a confirmed working usb port on my desktop machine |
| 14:25.07 | babilen | stew: Real installations on the same machine and not VMs or chroots/cowimages/... ? |
| 14:25.09 | PeterNL | (oh, and it used to work fine on a windows machine long ago) |
| 14:25.18 | kenifanying | thewandererl,what should i do next? |
| 14:25.28 | PeterNL | (lemme connect it to my laptop right now) |
| 14:25.40 | babilen | PeterNL: Ok, just checking (in the light of #510568) |
| 14:25.47 | PeterNL | oh |
| 14:26.04 | PeterNL | reads it |
| 14:26.38 | thewanderer1 | kenifanying: and what error do the browsers return? |
| 14:26.43 | PeterNL | hey, that's the closest to my problem I've seen yet |
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| 14:27.04 | PeterNL | hmmz, even 2.6.26 |
| 14:27.28 | kenifanying | thewandererl,Error 7 (net::ERR_TIMED_OUT): The operation timed out. (chromium-browser) |
| 14:28.11 | babilen | PeterNL: I guess one thing you (and #d by all the problems) learned is to stay away from ralink devices :) |
| 14:28.20 | thewanderer1 | kenifanying: how about Iceweasel? |
| 14:28.35 | PeterNL | well, they work sometimes and they are cheap... |
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| 14:28.39 | thewanderer1 | (hint: the last character in my nick is one, not L) |
| 14:28.39 | DroidAgent | I have 2 machines running Lenny that are configured to the same timezone in /etc/timezone, they both sync through the pool using ntp, but one is an hour off.. are there any other things I can check to find what's different in their configuration? |
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| 14:28.53 | kenifanying | The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading |
| 14:29.04 | DroidAgent | Both set to UTC=yes in /etc/default/rcS as well. |
| 14:29.07 | babilen | PeterNL: I would still like to see a longer dmesg output (+ the other stuff) with the blacklisted module. |
| 14:29.15 | thewanderer1 | kenifanying: are you able to connect to any other HTTPS server? |
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| 14:29.23 | PeterNL | with rt2500usb blacklisted? |
| 14:29.29 | hiley | how do I apply iptables rules? |
| 14:29.30 | stew | kenifanying: try connecting to port 443 with http instead of https |
| 14:29.32 | hiley | I ran /sbin/iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8080 |
| 14:29.37 | hiley | and need to actually get it working |
| 14:29.45 | PeterNL | I'll blacklist it on the CF card and reboot from there again |
| 14:29.51 | babilen | PeterNL: If you value the amount of work you (and #d and upstream developers) put into them, they are not cheap but a menace to society ;) |
| 14:30.16 | kenifanying | thewandererl, i only know mail.googlel.com use https |
| 14:30.18 | PeterNL | my time is cheaper then one wifi adapter. really |
| 14:30.28 | stew | can I hire you? |
| 14:30.34 | PeterNL | (I can not afford $30 for a new one) |
| 14:30.38 | babilen | stew: Whatfor? |
| 14:30.44 | PeterNL | and I am not for hire |
| 14:30.55 | dvs | DroidAgent: BIOS clocks are different? |
| 14:31.07 | stew | well he's been at this for days and its a $30 adapter. if his time is cheaper than that I'll find some use for him! :) |
| 14:31.20 | babilen | stew: yeah! |
| 14:31.31 | DroidAgent | dvs: hm never mind, I did dpkg-reconfigure tzdata to reset the timezone and now it's correct. |
| 14:31.40 | PeterNL | I am 16, that is what makes my time cheap. It will get more expensive when I finished school. Then I am for hire :) |
| 14:31.59 | PeterNL | finish* (not finished :D ) |
| 14:32.11 | kenifanying | stew,nc -z www.google.com.hk 443 && echo CONNECTED |
| 14:32.11 | kenifanying | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:32.34 | babilen | PeterNL: Ah! Yes, not everybody is old and wise (and expensive) :) |
| 14:32.39 | PeterNL | :D |
| 14:32.41 | babilen | (or somewhere in between) |
| 14:32.59 | PeterNL | I am young, somewhat wise and cheap |
| 14:33.12 | babilen | s/somewhat wise and// |
| 14:33.28 | dvs | wise ass? |
| 14:33.31 | dvs | hides |
| 14:33.32 | babilen | PeterNL: Ok, but that doesn't help and is ot chatter. :) |
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| 14:33.45 | PeterNL | does sudo nano /media/8cbefe6d-e8ee-4ba5-b1e6-9cf91f8cc819/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf |
| 14:34.08 | babilen | PeterNL: do that, i'm back in a minute :) |
| 14:34.21 | thewanderer1 | kenifanying: try connecting over HTTP to port 443 |
| 14:34.52 | PeterNL | okay, rebooting... (blacklist file: http://pastebin.com/9x9k1BhU) |
| 14:35.16 | kenifanying | thewandererl, I have solved this problem. $:su -c 'echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_timestamps' |
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| 14:35.36 | kenifanying | thewandererl,thanks! |
| 14:35.39 | thewanderer1 | kenifanying: you have some really funky network there |
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| 14:37.59 | le0n2s | any ideas? filipe@nage:~$ sysctl -n kern.cp_time |
| 14:37.59 | le0n2s | error: "kern.cp_time" is an unknown key |
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| 14:39.05 | PeterNL | http://pastebin.com/qW8SZ8F5 (those last entries appeared after I dod ifconfig wlan0 up) |
| 14:39.21 | hiley | I ran "iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8080" to get all traffic on port 80 to the redirected to port 8080. However, when I do "iptables -L", I see no rules at all. What did I do wrong? |
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| 14:40.13 | stew | hiley: if you don't specify a table, you get the default table as "filter" if you want to see the rule you added to the nat table, do "iptables -L -t nat" |
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| 14:40.56 | hiley | stew: Ah, I see it now, thank you. |
| 14:40.57 | babilen | PeterNL: please provide more output |
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| 14:41.08 | hiley | stew: ...though, it doesn't actually redirect... Do you know what the problem is? |
| 14:41.18 | thewanderer1 | PeterNL: I hate to turn you down, but maybe you should get a better-supported WiFi interface and send this one in a parcel to the driver developer so that he can have some fun with it? :P |
| 14:41.41 | babilen | PeterNL: I would also recommend to open a bug and write to the upstream mailing list. |
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| 14:41.51 | TroyTheTechGuy | I want to change the repository in my /etc/apt/sources.list. I found a mirror I want to use, but I'm not sure how much info after the http://mirror.hostname.edu/debian I must enter. Current repo has squeeze main & squeeze-updates main after URL. |
| 14:42.21 | PeterNL | babilen: more output? That's my whole dmesg |
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| 14:42.41 | PeterNL | dmesg uncensored(tm) |
| 14:42.45 | stew | hiley: are you sure you don't instead want "-j DNAT --to 1.2.3.4:8080" ? (where 1.2.3.4 is your ip address) i'm not too familiar with -j REDRIECT |
| 14:43.05 | stew | hiley: #netfilter might be more help |
| 14:43.22 | Rienzilla | hiley: iptables -L gives you the filter table only by default |
| 14:43.32 | Rienzilla | if you run iptables -L -t nat you'll see the nat table |
| 14:43.34 | Rienzilla | oh wait |
| 14:43.39 | Rienzilla | somebody said that al;ready, sorry |
| 14:43.53 | Rienzilla | crawls back under his rock |
| 14:44.14 | PeterNL | thewanderer1: that would be a good inea if the developer lives in NL and would send me a working device in return |
| 14:44.18 | hiley | stew: oh, yeah, that looks better, thank you |
| 14:44.28 | babilen | PeterNL: Ah (wrong tab) -- thanks! |
| 14:44.30 | hiley | stew: just a last question: how do I remove all rules? |
| 14:44.38 | dkr | stew: -j redirect does do that. :) a dnat to ip of incoming interface |
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| 14:45.07 | PeterNL | thewanderer1: and, as I said before, this device works just fine in ubutu 9.10 |
| 14:45.15 | stew | hiley: -F will flush all the chains. -X will remove user defined chains |
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| 14:45.48 | dkr | hiley: netfilter.org also has some good HOWTO documents and FAQs |
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| 14:45.57 | stew | hiley: DNAT worked but REDIRECT didn't? if so, dkr can help you figure out why :) |
| 14:47.14 | dvs | PeterNL: try "iwconfig wlan0 power off" |
| 14:47.21 | hiley | FUCK HELL |
| 14:47.23 | hiley | I locked myself out :( |
| 14:47.41 | PeterNL | dvs: I tried that yesterday, but will try it again |
| 14:47.51 | dvs | ok nvm |
| 14:48.40 | stew | sounds hot |
| 14:49.04 | Rienzilla | lol |
| 14:49.15 | RichiH | hiley: this might be a tad late, but you usually want to use `at` to revert any and all iptables changes in five minutes so you dopn't lock yourself out |
| 14:49.17 | stew | hiley: yeah, if your default policy is DROP or REJECT and you flush all the rules, everything is blocked |
| 14:49.27 | dkr | when I was a newbie, i would make a cron or at job to reset iptables to back to what they were in x minutes after I started messing with them |
| 14:49.41 | dkr | RichiH: ^5 |
| 14:49.48 | Rienzilla | it is generally a good idea not top fiddle with your firewall remotely, especially if you don't know exactly what you're doing :) |
| 14:49.59 | RichiH | dkr: :) |
| 14:49.59 | stew | i use fwbuilder which has a "no matter what allow traffic from this ip" setting |
| 14:50.00 | hiley | thanks all, will try this cron in the future |
| 14:50.07 | hiley | or actually get the ILO up and working |
| 14:50.15 | Rienzilla | (and don't worry, everyone has locked him or herself out of their systems at least once :)) |
| 14:50.20 | stew | ILO++ |
| 14:50.56 | babilen | dvs: yeah, i stumbled over that as well |
| 14:51.01 | PeterNL | Rienzilla: I never did. Well, not yet... :D |
| 14:51.45 | stew | not that your machine is even networked yet :) |
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| 14:52.15 | PeterNL | it is. There's a wired connection atm. But the target machine has a 56k modem and one usb 1.1 (or 1.0) port. So I need a usb NIC |
| 14:52.32 | PeterNL | and I don't feel like pulling cables, so I need wifi. |
| 14:52.39 | PeterNL | but that's for later |
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| 14:55.12 | hiley | if I reboot the machine, will all rules get reset? |
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| 14:58.54 | stew | hiley: on a fresh boot, all rules are default (allow everything) until somehting runs to change that. so it depends on whether or not you've added something that would add rules and changes policies upon reboot |
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| 14:59.27 | hiley | what can that be? |
| 14:59.31 | hiley | iptables-save? |
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| 15:01.29 | stew | hiley: iptables-save creates output that could be be fed back into iptables-restore, that doesn't happen by default though |
| 15:01.39 | hiley | oh ok |
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| 15:02.39 | lunaphyte_ | hi. i've installed a package, and would like to, after the fact, see which files the package installed. how can i do that? |
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| 15:02.54 | stew | lunaphyte_: dpkg -L packagename |
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| 15:03.56 | lunaphyte_ | ah, thank you. |
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| 15:05.56 | Delf | How do I update from lenny to squeeze? |
| 15:06.06 | Coded1 | I have a running squeeze system and want to do a separate install on a usb stick is there an 'easy' way of doing this instead of booting off of an install cd? |
| 15:06.38 | Delf | I just change source to squeeze instead of lenny in apt? |
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| 15:06.51 | babilen | !tell Delf -about release notes |
| 15:07.02 | babilen | Delf: Read "What's new in Squeeze" and follow chapter 4 |
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| 15:07.33 | tarik | Hi all |
| 15:07.55 | tarik | Is there anyway to convert ldif file to csv under debian ?? |
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| 15:08.46 | Delf | babilen: Where do I find "What's new in Squeeze"+ |
| 15:09.57 | babilen | Delf: Read the message from dpkg -- There is a wiki page and chapter 2 in the release noes |
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| 15:10.00 | babilen | *notes |
| 15:10.28 | Delf | babilen: "chapter" does not even exist in the wiki link |
| 15:10.39 | babilen | Delf: no, but in the release notes |
| 15:10.58 | babilen | Delf: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html |
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| 15:11.50 | g00se | Using new squeeze installer. Think it's failing on partition detection. I have XP on the first partition and all i'm getting is *use entire disk* with warnings of erasure. There's a 2nd partition marked as ext2 on the disk. |
| 15:11.59 | Delf | babilen: What do I do with all that information? There is too much for me. |
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| 15:12.34 | babilen | Delf: You read and digest the information in chapter 2. Then follow the step-by-step guide in chapter 4 |
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| 15:13.10 | Delf | babilen: So, there is no easy way of updating from lenny to squeeze.. |
| 15:13.45 | dvs | !be a install barbie |
| 15:13.45 | dpkg | Aww, install is HARD! Let's go shopping, dvs |
| 15:13.53 | babilen | Delf: There is important information in there and I advise you to follow it. The procedure in a nutshell is: (but you *should* follow chapter 4) |
| 15:13.57 | PeterNL | babilen: do you have any new ideas for my wifi problems? If not i'm going to try ndiswrapper... |
| 15:13.58 | babilen | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 15:13.58 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <squeeze release notes>. |
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| 15:14.23 | Delf | babilen: Don't worry about loosing settings or data. |
| 15:14.40 | Delf | babilen: I just want to do a clean "update". |
| 15:14.57 | babilen | PeterNL: I would file a bug, contact upstream (the mailing list earlier) ... You might also want to try a .37 kernel from sid |
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| 15:15.25 | PeterNL | okay, I will try .37 now, and write a bug report later |
| 15:15.28 | nkuttler | hrm, anybody aware of something like retty that works on amd64? |
| 15:16.38 | babilen | Delf: Yes, that is the method. It does not get easier than that. You could also reinstall using the squeeze installer. What is the problem with chapter 4 (and the *important* news (e.g. 2.1.8 The stable-updates section) in chapter 2 -- It should take you around 5 minutes to digest the information in chapter 2 and chapter 4 provided step-by-step information with all commands you have to execute. |
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| 15:17.59 | babilen | PeterNL: Sorry, I am really not sure what is wrong there, but know that rt* is often SNAFU -- There definitely *is* a reason, but I would need to dive in the code to figure it out. I guess we've read all relevant information on the net and bug reports already, so ... |
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| 15:19.24 | PeterNL | hmmz, well, I will see what .37 has to offer... |
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| 15:20.26 | babilen | PeterNL: I mean some people even reported succes after using a shorter usb cable -- but that is likely not the case. I thought that blacklisting and/or the power settings might solve it (and that seemed to be the solution for a lot of people) |
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| 15:21.20 | PeterNL | I hoped one of those options would help. |
| 15:21.27 | babilen | I too :) |
| 15:21.34 | PeterNL | But I have another idea... |
| 15:21.49 | babilen | PeterNL: I've just checked the kernel bug tracker, but nothing seems to be relevant. |
| 15:21.52 | Delf | babilen: Thank you. I will upgrade an old lenny box after I install a clean squeeze on a new box. |
| 15:21.53 | Orphis | How can I install the package ant ( http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/ant ) without pulling all the gcj dependencies ? I have already install sun jdk but it's still trying to install gcj |
| 15:21.53 | babilen | PeterNL: hmm? |
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| 15:21.55 | PeterNL | when I tried on ubuntu, I always used my laptop, and when I tried on squeeze, my desktop |
| 15:22.15 | PeterNL | so I should try squeeze on my laptop |
| 15:22.19 | babilen | PeterNL: So, there were changes apart from the OS |
| 15:22.26 | g00se | thinks squeeze installer has slightly dodgy medium. Re-running Detect disks produced different result |
| 15:22.28 | babilen | PeterNL: Yes, you might want to do that. |
| 15:22.45 | babilen | g00se: quack! |
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| 15:22.48 | PeterNL | lemme get a usb CF reader for my laptop, and a irc client for my desktop... |
| 15:23.04 | PeterNL | (i'm running this irc client on my ubuntu laptop) |
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| 15:23.45 | g00se | is still waiting to see something like 'install to partition #2'... |
| 15:24.02 | babilen | PeterNL: yeah, you really want to rule out HW problems. Hence my question earlier if it works on another OS (i thought you use the same hardware, should have made that clear) |
| 15:24.04 | superlinux | hi, I installed readahead thinking that the boot time will be shorter. however, the system stops at boot somewhere after "Mounting local filesystems" and I don't know why it takes looooong. if I press Ctl+C it cancels that long wait. so I un-installed readahead |
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| 15:24.23 | superlinux | so what should I do to make the boot time faster? |
| 15:24.39 | babilen | superlinux: insserv? |
| 15:24.48 | superlinux | babilen, i did install it |
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| 15:24.59 | PeterNL_ | test 123 |
| 15:24.59 | superlinux | what then should be done? |
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| 15:25.09 | babilen | PeterNL_: pong |
| 15:25.10 | dkr | superlinux: upgrade to squeeze? :) |
| 15:25.12 | superlinux | PeterNL, 321 |
| 15:25.16 | PeterNL_ | okay, fetching a card reader... |
| 15:25.35 | superlinux | dkr, it will take ages where i am |
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| 15:26.17 | PeterNL_ | So the only difference after this test will be a card reader... |
| 15:26.27 | babilen | superlinux: Do it somewhere else then. But I was never interested in optimising my boot time (why is that even remotely important?), so I am definitely the wrong person to talk to. |
| 15:26.41 | PeterNL_ | (I can test both .31 and .32 from the CF card) |
| 15:27.06 | babilen | PeterNL_: That is bad, but probably something we have to live with. It would be perfect if there would be *exactly* *one* change to test :) |
| 15:27.09 | superlinux | babilen, ok |
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| 15:27.31 | dkr | babilen: if you are on a laptop is the only reason I can see to care. hrm, although I suppose it's good for kernel upgrades on servers |
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| 15:27.55 | PeterNL_ | (wait a second, I did something stupid. I have to reboot both machines (to unplug the CF card on my desktop and then to boot from it on my laptop...) |
| 15:28.11 | babilen | dkr: Just suspend to ram and open the lid *bam* working system. I honestly don't see the point. But we don't have to discuss it. |
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| 15:29.04 | babilen | PeterNL_: Take your time. (it is cheap! (but don't you rather want to learn some interesting programming language like clojure, lisp, haskell, python or brainfuck?) |
| 15:29.09 | babilen | ) |
| 15:29.13 | babilen | *phew* |
| 15:29.18 | dkr | hah |
| 15:29.39 | PeterNL | suspend to ram doesn't always work (sometimes it fails to wakeup my hard drive, resulting in errors whenever I try to do almost anything) |
| 15:29.51 | dkr | babilen: obligatory http://xkcd.com/859/ |
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| 15:30.09 | babilen | dkr: yeah -- hehe :) |
| 15:30.14 | PeterNL | babilen: i know html/css/js/php/sql/bash |
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| 15:30.30 | babilen | dkr: so true (especially for lispers) |
| 15:31.18 | PeterNL | dkr: noooo! I can't sleep tonight... |
| 15:31.31 | babilen | PeterNL: Ok, you have one declarative one imperative (but script) language in there. broaden your horizon :) |
| 15:32.18 | PeterNL | babilen: sure, but not today. I have some wiki to fix |
| 15:32.25 | _Eyes_ | How do I turn on line numbers in gedit? |
| 15:32.27 | PeterNL | err, wifi :D |
| 15:32.47 | babilen | PeterNL: I am not entirely serious, but am just waiting for the time to pass. |
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| 15:33.14 | PeterNL | well, I am serious. |
| 15:33.17 | PeterNL_ | (test) |
| 15:33.35 | PeterNL_ | okay, i'll reboot ubuntu any moment now |
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| 15:36.06 | babilen | _Eyes_: edit â preferences â view â display line numbers |
| 15:36.13 | babilen | _Eyes_: surprise! |
| 15:36.22 | _Eyes_ | I found it |
| 15:36.39 | PeterNL_ | hmmz, lemme first get my laptop to boot from my usb-card-reader-with-CF-card. |
| 15:36.56 | PeterNL_ | (now it's just rebooting ubuntu, which we don't want) |
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| 15:38.13 | PeterNL_ | ah damn, it won't boot from it... |
| 15:38.18 | PeterNL_ | but it MUST! |
| 15:38.37 | PeterNL_ | (I have booten from usb flash drives on that machine, but never with a card reader) |
| 15:38.40 | PeterNL_ | booted* |
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| 15:39.21 | PeterNL_ | lemme see if my desktop can boot from it. My desktop has an built-in card reader, but I borrowed an external one for my laptop |
| 15:39.46 | PeterNL_ | but lemme first get irc on my phone working, lol |
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| 15:40.57 | PeterNLfoon | *sigh* |
| 15:41.05 | dvs | multiplicity |
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| 15:42.37 | Orphis | Can someone explain to me why apt-get wants to install the gcj runtime to fulfill the dependency java6-runetime-headless of some package when I have already installed sun-java6-jre that provides it ? |
| 15:43.18 | PeterNLfoon | Hmm... this is difficult. My built-in card reader has proper names for the 4 devices in it |
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| 15:43.46 | PeterNLfoon | But the external one has 4 times the same name |
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| 15:45.37 | PeterNLfoon | My BIOS boot menu: http://imgur.com/C1PQ3 |
| 15:46.10 | PeterNLfoon | Okay, it's the first one, lol |
| 15:46.23 | PeterNLfoon | But now on my laptop... |
| 15:47.04 | PeterNLfoon | (hmm, it's a lot slower with this reader) |
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| 15:49.07 | PeterNLfoon | Laptop boot menu: http://imgur.com/ZCbaq |
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| 15:50.03 | keith4 | can I no longer alias network interfaces like eth0:1, eth0:2, etc., in Squeeze? |
| 15:50.13 | PeterNLfoon | Option #4 says "os not found" and then boots ubuntu |
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| 15:51.00 | petemc | keith4: you can |
| 15:51.32 | keith4 | petemc: k. must be a different problem then ;-) |
| 15:51.47 | PeterNLfoon | So I copy the cf card to a usb drive? |
| 15:51.50 | PeterNLfoon | Get |
| 15:51.57 | PeterNLfoon | Grr* |
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| 15:56.06 | katsrc | how can i find out where a package is installed? |
| 15:56.29 | babilen | katsrc: dpkg -L PKG ? |
| 15:56.30 | katsrc | like libraries, config files |
| 15:56.43 | PeterNL | I'm now copying the CF card to a usb drive, which should work better on my laptop |
| 15:57.22 | PeterNL | I can actually run the same OS on both machines simultaneously, from CF on the desktop and from usb on the laptop |
| 15:57.43 | PeterNL | but copying is damn slow... |
| 15:58.08 | PeterNL | dd doesn't even respond to killall -USR1 dd anymore... |
| 15:58.36 | PeterNL | the dd command: dd bs=1M if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdf (should I try with a different block size?) |
| 15:58.43 | babilen | PeterNL: Is that the same machine you tried the usb adaptor on? |
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| 15:59.17 | PeterNL | babilen: i'm now on my desktop, trying to copy the C card to a usb drive |
| 15:59.30 | babilen | PeterNL: Is that the same machine you tried the usb adaptor on? (and had the problems) |
| 15:59.45 | PeterNL | yes, but this might be very well the usb drive failing. I could try a newer one |
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| 16:00.06 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 16:00.07 | babilen | It very much looks as if you have some usb adaptor problems (or some of the things hint at that) |
| 16:00.25 | babilen | johnfg: not only guys in here |
| 16:00.27 | anddam | are DAT outdated for backup? |
| 16:00.31 | johnfg | How do I test to see if a port is open on my server? |
| 16:00.39 | babilen | johnfg: use nmap |
| 16:00.41 | johnfg | babilen, guys in the generic sense! |
| 16:00.45 | PeterNL | wait a second, don't I already have a debian install on that newer usb drive? Lemme check that first |
| 16:00.48 | anddam | johnfg: netstat |
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| 16:00.51 | petemc | anddam: tapes are so expensive compared to hard disks |
| 16:01.02 | johnfg | babilen, but, mea culpa anyway, pardon me :-) |
| 16:01.05 | babilen | PeterNL: You could also just try debian live |
| 16:01.27 | PeterNL | babilen: afaik that is on that flash drive already |
| 16:01.28 | anddam | petemc: so should I just go with an external drive? |
| 16:01.35 | petemc | anddam: thats up to you |
| 16:01.35 | babilen | johnfg: (i am, incidentally, a guy) |
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| 16:02.04 | johnfg | babilen, I guessed so :-) |
| 16:02.22 | anddam | petemc: low cost hard drives die, I understand tapes have a longer average life |
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| 16:02.30 | johnfg | I use that at work, church, home, too; so I'm universally guilty of above charge. |
| 16:02.36 | PeterNL | nope, it's a debian-installer unetbootin frankenstein image. it's half broken or something :D |
| 16:02.41 | PeterNL | let's not use that |
| 16:02.47 | petemc | anddam: im aware of that |
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| 16:03.01 | Bursihido | How to install Debian? |
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| 16:03.07 | petemc | follow the install guide |
| 16:03.13 | PeterNL | and dd on my desktop is still frozen... |
| 16:03.14 | babilen | johnfg: No big deal, but, well ... let's not get into that. |
| 16:03.14 | anddam | petemc: I'm not, that's what I read around. I'm starting worrying about backup before I'll need to |
| 16:03.27 | PeterNL | (even after killall -9 dd) |
| 16:03.28 | anddam | petemc: atm I don't have backup (home user) |
| 16:04.05 | petemc | anddam: with disks being so cheap you can make multiple copies, and also there are various services like dropbox you can use |
| 16:04.10 | babilen | PeterNL: try killing the exact process -- is this the same machine on which you had the problems with the rt73usb? |
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| 16:04.22 | babilen | PeterNL: ah, yes ... |
| 16:04.26 | babilen | gets some coffee |
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| 16:04.38 | PeterNL | babilen: using the PID doesn't help |
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| 16:05.13 | PeterNL | kill -9 3248 (even as root, or 10 times in a row, dd is still "running") |
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| 16:05.28 | PeterNL | damn, sometimes I hate these things |
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| 16:06.04 | petemc | PeterNL: when something is waiting for disk you cant kill it, just have to wait or reboott |
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| 16:06.26 | PeterNL | the light un the usb drive is flashing... |
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| 16:06.42 | PeterNL | shall I unplug it, ans try a newer flash drive? |
| 16:06.52 | paolosca | Hi guys |
| 16:07.01 | PeterNL | tries... |
| 16:07.15 | jhutchins_lt | PeterNL: Hope you unmounted it first. |
| 16:07.17 | PeterNL | and boom, dd has ended |
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| 16:07.37 | jhutchins_lt | Ah well. USB drives are cheap these days. |
| 16:07.46 | PeterNL | jhutchins_lt: nah, I'll nuke that drive from orbit, but not now |
| 16:08.08 | PeterNL | I already have a new one, because I had the feeling it was broken already a few weeks ago |
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| 16:08.47 | PeterNL | What's a good block size for copying a CF card to a usb drive? |
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| 16:09.01 | PeterNL | 1M? 10M? 100K? |
| 16:09.18 | petemc | the size of the cache of the disk is a safe bet |
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| 16:09.58 | PeterNL | petemc: which is unspecified... |
| 16:10.07 | petemc | it is? |
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| 16:11.58 | anddam | PeterNL: check the interweb with the disc model |
| 16:12.25 | petemc | 8 meg is common |
| 16:13.04 | stew | PeterNL: just use cp instead of dd and let it try to determine a good block size for you |
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| 16:17.35 | PeterNL | stew: how do I copy a device? Can I just do cp /dev/sdb /dev/sdf ? |
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| 16:18.09 | stew | PeterNL: yes if you would have done "dd if=foo of=bar" cp foo bar" will do the same with a smarter blocksize |
| 16:18.43 | jhutchins_lt | is there some easy-to-use noisy alarm utility available in KDE4? |
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| 16:19.22 | jhutchins_lt | Want to make sure I don't miss the shuttle launch this afternoon. |
| 16:19.48 | PeterNL | stew: okay, will cp my cf to my usb drive |
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| 16:20.16 | PeterNL | but how do I see progress from cp? |
| 16:21.00 | stew | when it finishes, its at 100% |
| 16:21.06 | petemc | *bam* |
| 16:21.22 | PeterNL | okay, I knew that |
| 16:21.28 | PeterNL | but when is it at 50%? |
| 16:21.37 | stew | in half that time |
| 16:21.54 | PeterNL | But how do I know that time if it is not finished yet? |
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| 16:21.58 | PeterNL | lol |
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| 16:22.09 | stew | this is going to get metaphysical |
| 16:22.18 | PeterNL | So I don't know anything at all untill it is finished? |
| 16:22.20 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, kalarm looks likely. |
| 16:22.29 | petemc | that would be an ecumenical matter |
| 16:22.33 | PeterNL | Other than that is is working |
| 16:22.42 | PeterNL | Okay, please stop it! |
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| 16:23.06 | PeterNL | I want a ETA... |
| 16:23.11 | PeterNL | or ETC |
| 16:23.23 | petemc | people have written wrappers for cp |
| 16:23.24 | g00se | Slight blunder: just chose a couple of items from the tasksel list with squeeze installer. No doubt it uses apt |
| 16:23.42 | g00se | ? (I prefer aptitude) |
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| 16:24.47 | stew | PeterNL: then switch back to dd |
| 16:24.53 | stew | hmm, maybe rsync --progress |
| 16:25.24 | g00se | I couldn't stop it. What's the best way to 'aptitudify' the situation? |
| 16:25.29 | PeterNL | no, it's running already. Come on! |
| 16:25.56 | petemc | PeterNL: while : ; do ls -lah /destination ; done |
| 16:25.59 | petemc | or use watch |
| 16:26.09 | stew | PeterNL: destination is a block device |
| 16:26.15 | petemc | oh |
| 16:26.23 | PeterNL | yep, taht's the problem |
| 16:26.49 | stew | g00se: tasksel in squeeze would use aptitude afaik |
| 16:26.54 | PeterNL | if it was a regular file, i would have been ls-lh-ing it already |
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| 16:27.08 | babilen | suggests a look at pv |
| 16:27.11 | g00se | stew: That's good. phew |
| 16:27.34 | PeterNL | How would I use PV with CP? |
| 16:27.47 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.51 | PeterNL | (and let cp efficiently determine the block size) |
| 16:28.09 | PeterNL | (and no, 34 is not the answer. That is 42) |
| 16:28.19 | PeterNL | not that 42 is of any use here |
| 16:28.44 | petemc | you could resolve yourself to the fact that you cant check its progress, then you will not be perplexed |
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| 16:29.23 | PeterNL | Damn, I want to kill someone for this. Does anyone know the address of the ralink ceo? (please say you don't) |
| 16:30.52 | justin_ | PeterNL: watch du -hs /destination? |
| 16:31.05 | PeterNL | destination is a block device |
| 16:31.19 | justin_ | oh, you are using dd? |
| 16:31.23 | PeterNL | nope |
| 16:31.39 | stew | justin_: he's using cp |
| 16:31.44 | justin_ | oh well |
| 16:31.52 | PeterNL | i'm terminating cp... |
| 16:31.58 | justin_ | why would you do that? |
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| 16:32.07 | petemc | lack of patience |
| 16:32.28 | PeterNL | no, it's frozen, just like dd was |
| 16:32.38 | justin_ | frozen? |
| 16:32.43 | PeterNL | (okay, I just found that out) |
| 16:32.47 | PeterNL | but yes, it's frozen |
| 16:32.58 | PeterNL | it doesn't respond to kill -9 <pid> |
| 16:33.10 | jhutchins_lt | PeterNL: iostat from sysstat will let you see progress. |
| 16:33.11 | justin_ | what does dmesg say? |
| 16:33.12 | PeterNL | oh wait, it just responded |
| 16:33.29 | justin_ | you can't kill processes that are waiting on IO in the kernel |
| 16:33.32 | petemc | PeterNL: things waiting for disk wont respond immediately, youve been told that already |
| 16:33.45 | jhutchins_lt | PeterNL: I think what you need to do is launch it, then walk away from the computer for a while. |
| 16:33.49 | petemc | Orphis: there are proc tunable that can toggle verbose logging of disk writes |
| 16:33.55 | PeterNL | but it didn't respond after 10 seconds, more like 20 |
| 16:33.55 | petemc | tunables |
| 16:34.02 | katsrc | babilen: thanks |
| 16:34.06 | PeterNL | and dmesg has lot od errors now |
| 16:34.18 | justin_ | there you go |
| 16:34.18 | PeterNL | http://pastebin.com/DywUkzVm |
| 16:34.19 | babilen | katsrc: no problem |
| 16:34.19 | Orphis | Not for me I guess :p |
| 16:34.57 | jhutchins_lt | PeterNL: Can you do this on a file basis instead of by block? |
| 16:35.00 | babilen | PeterNL: I am more and more convinced that your usb hardware is FUBAR |
| 16:35.02 | PeterNL | ...I didn't highlight that as php, that was a cookie |
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| 16:35.16 | babilen | PeterNL: You do PHP? |
| 16:35.19 | PeterNL | babilen: shall I connect things to another port maybe? |
| 16:35.33 | PeterNL | babilen: yes, I do and I told you before. get some more of that coffee |
| 16:35.56 | g00se | 'Is the system clock set to UTC?' has No highlighted by default. Is that coz XP is installed? |
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| 16:36.26 | PeterNL | in my dmesg output? yes, I have xp installed. Can't remember uring it tough |
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| 16:36.32 | PeterNL | using* |
| 16:36.35 | jhutchins_lt | PeterNL: rsync has a --progress option. |
| 16:36.49 | jhutchins_lt | PeterNL: Your dmesg looks like you might have bad RAM. |
| 16:36.51 | PeterNL | can rsybc do block devices? |
| 16:37.00 | jhutchins_lt | PeterNL: It does files. |
| 16:37.02 | PeterNL | and what's wrong with my ram? |
| 16:37.06 | jhutchins_lt | PeterNL: It doesn't care what they're on. |
| 16:37.30 | PeterNL | jhutchins_lt: I want to copy a CF card to a USB drive |
| 16:37.50 | PeterNL | the whole drive, including boot sector, prtition table, file systems etc |
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| 16:38.06 | PeterNL | (my usb drives are all larger than the CF card) |
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| 16:38.54 | PeterNL | and again, what's wrong with my ram? Where in dmesg do I find that? |
| 16:38.58 | filePeter | Is there a daemon to run on my wrt54 and/or desktop to compare sockets and check if ip portscanning IPs are know from email conversations? I think of root-kit detection.... |
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| 16:40.47 | jhutchins_lt | PeterNL: On further research, this looks like either hardware failure or a bad driver for the USB controller. |
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| 16:41.06 | jhutchins_lt | PeterNL: You could just kinda randomly try a different kernel and see if anything's different. |
| 16:41.17 | PeterNL | damn, please say it's just a loose caple or something! |
| 16:42.07 | PeterNL | cable* |
| 16:42.17 | jhutchins_lt | PeterNL: Worth checking. |
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| 16:42.49 | jhutchins_lt | The one "solved" thread I found was a bad RAID controller. |
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| 16:43.19 | PeterNL | let's use a completely different usb port. afaik that also uses anther usb host controller on the motherboard |
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| 16:45.12 | PeterNL | and I will use dd this time... |
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| 16:46.07 | stew | PeterNL: if its getting stuck on bad blocks, dd_rescue might not get stuck |
| 16:46.13 | katsrc | how can i refresh locate's cache |
| 16:46.17 | katsrc | or search index? |
| 16:46.21 | Pryon | updatedb |
| 16:46.22 | stew | katsrc: updatedb |
| 16:46.29 | katsrc | stew: thank you |
| 16:47.02 | PeterNL | is 1M a decent block size? |
| 16:47.12 | stew | sure |
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| 16:47.35 | PeterNL | okay |
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| 16:47.50 | jhutchins_lt | PeterNL: Shouldn't you be testing this with smaller tranfers first? |
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| 16:48.07 | PeterNL | the usb drive is "13fe:3600 Kingston Technology Company Inc." and the card reader is "0bda:0151 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. Mass Storage Device (Multicard Reader)" |
| 16:48.38 | PeterNL | jhutchins_lt: nope, because I want to test my wifi device on my laptop and I need that CF card on my usb drive asap |
| 16:49.03 | jhutchins_lt | Your methodology is faulty. |
| 16:49.14 | PeterNL | grrr, dd is stuck again... |
| 16:49.37 | PeterNL | after only a few seconds of copying... |
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| 16:50.49 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Hello! I use a Debian router. Doesn't nf_conntrack_ftp let me use FTPoverSSL like FTP? |
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| 16:51.47 | PeterNL | hmm, the filesystem looks okay, but not all files are present. Can I just do a file based copy with cp now? |
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| 16:52.11 | paolosca | Hi, how do I find gnome logs or I activate logging? Once in a while, on start, gnome keeps changing the desktop size until the theme manager crashes. |
| 16:52.38 | Pryon | paolosca: there may be usefule information in $HOME/.xsession-errors |
| 16:52.42 | project2501a | any first-hand opinions on how difficult it is to patch kerrighed with the current kernel? |
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| 16:54.14 | PeterNL | shall I try to do all this on my laptop instead? |
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| 16:54.45 | paolosca | Thanks Pryon, that's what I was looking for. |
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| 16:55.44 | Amanda__ | hi |
| 16:56.16 | dexter1 | Hey need some help , after upgrading from lenny to squeeze , i lost one of my nic a realtek nik , i tryed modprobe and stuff and nothing |
| 16:57.14 | petemc | dexter1: does ifconfig -a list it ? |
| 16:57.23 | dexter1 | nope |
| 16:57.31 | petemc | dmesg | grep eth |
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| 16:58.36 | dexter1 | nope no realtek there |
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| 16:59.09 | petemc | dexter1: lspci lists it tho? |
| 16:59.34 | PeterNL | hmmm, this looks okay acyually. |
| 16:59.52 | dexter1 | yes it`s listed |
| 17:00.02 | PeterNL | It can very well be my desktop motherboard's usb controller failing |
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| 17:01.20 | PeterNL | So I shouldn't complain to ralink, but to asrock (my mobo is an asrock one) |
| 17:01.53 | PeterNL | ...CF card is almost copied... |
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| 17:02.46 | dexter1 | petemc: i`m out of ideeas |
| 17:02.57 | PeterNL | done... let's boot from it and see what happens |
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| 17:05.23 | nu1x | sudo cat kern.log | grep eth0 | less |
| 17:05.32 | PeterNL | hmm, there were errors on the usb drive... |
| 17:05.55 | PeterNL | but they should be fixed, now. rebooting... |
| 17:06.28 | PeterNL | yes, squeeze running on my laptop! |
| 17:06.37 | PeterNL | let's see how wifi is doing |
| 17:07.09 | nu1x | this sdhould show your MAC address |
| 17:08.02 | PeterNL | yay, it's working! |
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| 17:08.17 | PeterNL | so my desktop mobo is broken? |
| 17:08.40 | PeterNL | and I spent two days on finding that out, looking at a stupid wifi adapter? |
| 17:08.47 | PeterNL | DAMN! |
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| 17:09.18 | PeterNL | Well, thanks foor loking at the wifi adapter with me without seeing my motherboard failing :D |
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| 17:09.59 | PeterNL | ...I got one thing to test. ALL usb ports on that desktop machine... |
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| 17:10.19 | sako | hey guys, to change the hostname, i changed /etc/hostname and added the hostname to /etc/hosts, is there anything else to do? |
| 17:10.34 | PeterNL | (and it's interesting that the built-in usb card reader and my usb mouse were working all the time. |
| 17:10.38 | PeterNL | ) |
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| 17:10.59 | sako | also, any advantage to having the hostname match the domain name its hosting? problem is i am hosting multiple domains so i don't know if i should put one of them as the hostname |
| 17:11.00 | jhutchins_lt | sako: Issue the hostname <name> command to set it for current session (or restart networking, but that's overkill). |
| 17:11.01 | dexter1 | petemc: so can u help ? |
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| 17:12.03 | jhutchins_lt | sako: As for hosting, depends on what you're hosting. |
| 17:12.16 | karlpinc | dexter1: We're all here to help, so talk to the channel and see what develops. The more you can tell us the better. (I.E. you could "dmesg | pastebinit" so we can see dmesg output, etc.) |
| 17:12.24 | sako | jhutchins_lt: going to be a bunch of different web apps... magento, django app for now |
| 17:12.46 | jhutchins_lt | dexter1: You may need nonfree firmware, what is the card? |
| 17:12.46 | sako | so 2 different apps on 2 different domains, not sure if i should have the hostname setup as one of the domains.. |
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| 17:12.59 | karlpinc | prefers pylons to django. On the advice of #python. |
| 17:13.27 | jhutchins_lt | sako: I recommend that you use an administrative domain that corresponds to your local network as the primary hostname, then the other hostnames will be set up in virtualhosts. |
| 17:13.32 | sako | karlpinc: i've been checking it out... pyramid looks promising, kind of in the early stages though :) |
| 17:13.52 | sako | jhutchins_lt: oh iforgot to mention it is a vps :P |
| 17:14.04 | dexter1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:14.45 | sako | jhutchins_lt: so currently i am just naming it following a naming convention.. so for example i have the hostname as serverx |
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| 17:14.57 | rejoin | hello |
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| 17:15.09 | dexter1 | [ 3.293971] eth1: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xe400, 00:40:f4:a7:94:e5, IRQ 12 this looks wierd |
| 17:15.09 | karlpinc | dexter1: You probably need non-free firmware. Enable non-free sources and apt-cache search. |
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| 17:15.13 | sako | jhutchins_lt: shouldn't matter that it's not set up as serverx.domain.com right? just want to see if there are benefits to the latter that i don't know of.. |
| 17:15.15 | rejoin | i have debian running on a machine, no gui, just the tty-s |
| 17:15.24 | rejoin | and when i go to previous commands |
| 17:15.27 | rejoin | it messes up |
| 17:15.31 | karlpinc | dexter1: What does "lspci -nn" say about it? (What's the pciid?) |
| 17:15.56 | rejoin | what may be causing this? |
| 17:16.07 | karlpinc | sako: It does not matter. You can virtualhost other domains. |
| 17:16.18 | jhutchins_lt | sako: Domain names are strictly for humans to creat logical organization. |
| 17:16.18 | dexter1 | 00:10.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ [10ec:8139] (rev 10) |
| 17:16.28 | karlpinc | ,pciid [10ec:8139] |
| 17:16.31 | judd | [10ec:8139] is 'RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel modules '8139too', '8139cp' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8139 |
| 17:16.33 | sako | jhutchins_lt: ah ok.. makes sense... thanks! |
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| 17:16.59 | karlpinc | dexter1: You need one of those kernel modules.... |
| 17:17.37 | PeterNLfoon | Usb ports on the back have the same problems, but my mouse works just fine on the same ports... |
| 17:17.46 | dexter1 | and how do i add them to kernel |
| 17:17.53 | PeterNLfoon | Brb - dinner |
| 17:18.44 | karlpinc | dexter1: apt-file search 8139too To see what package it's in. Check the other one too, to see which you want. Install the package. That's it, unless there's non-free firmware involved. See the "non-free firmware" factoid. |
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| 17:19.04 | karlpinc | dexter1: If there's non-free firmware, then you have to install another package. |
| 17:19.12 | cahoot | it's in the kernel already (since 1800 ca) |
| 17:19.13 | martync | Good evening |
| 17:19.24 | karlpinc | cahoot: :) |
| 17:20.00 | karlpinc | dexter1: Could it possibly be a udev thing? What does ifconfig say? Is it listed? |
| 17:20.08 | cahoot | lspci -k would tell which of the modules is loaded |
| 17:20.09 | jhutchins_lt | !8139 |
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| 17:20.09 | dpkg | The <Realtek> RTL-8139 10/100 PCI NIC uses either the 8139too or 8139cp (RTL-8139C+ series) drivers for device support in Linux, *not* ne2k-pci. See also <rtl81x9.c>. |
| 17:20.17 | martync | Is it possible to install PHP 5.2 on Debian 6 with aptitude ? |
| 17:20.27 | martync | I cannot find some ressources on that |
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| 17:22.09 | rejoin | do you know what may be causing the commands thing |
| 17:22.11 | karlpinc | !tell dexter1 about rtl81x9.c |
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| 17:22.19 | martync | aptitude can't install a specific version ? |
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| 17:23.41 | themill | martync: it can, but that specific version needs to exist; it does not in this case. |
| 17:23.44 | themill | !php paradox |
| 17:23.44 | dpkg | The PHP paradox is that the people running lenny with php 5.2 want to have php 5.3... while the people running squeeze with php 5.3 want to have php 5.2. This is actually a sad indictment of both php and the applications written in it. |
| 17:23.50 | ElDiabolo | Is there a debian version that has PHP 5.2? |
| 17:24.02 | ElDiabolo | ^ martync |
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| 17:24.35 | Torne | is it quicker to grow an ext4 volume offline or online, or doesn't it matter? |
| 17:24.37 | martync | dpkg: yes, sad paradox, in my case |
| 17:24.38 | dpkg | martync: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 17:25.11 | rejoin | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org/msg06473.html this is the bug |
| 17:25.17 | martync | dpkg: sorry, I don't get it |
| 17:25.17 | dpkg | martync: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 17:25.43 | RichiH | martync: dpkg is a bot |
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| 17:25.55 | martync | dpkg: if i was sysadmin yes |
| 17:25.55 | dpkg | martync: wish i knew |
| 17:26.06 | RichiH | !botsnack |
| 17:26.06 | dpkg | RichiH: :) |
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| 17:26.47 | stew | excellent, php is hearby indicted |
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| 17:27.56 | stew | martync: php 5.2 is in lenny, you could try using that one. I don't know that I'd really recommend it, especially since lenny will only be supported for a year. the best thing to do is to fix your applications to be able to run in php 5.3 |
| 17:28.40 | martync | stew: fix an old joomla website - i'm prefering bondage |
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| 17:29.24 | stew | martync: then perhaps run it on lenny. . you then have a year to either port it to something else, or then you get to start backporting security patches by hand yourself |
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| 17:29.35 | dexter1 | the apt-file search came back with a lot of results |
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| 17:30.58 | dexter1 | karlpinc what now |
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| 17:31.30 | martync | stew: I will reinstall lenny, much more simple. Thank you all |
| 17:32.23 | jhutchins_lt | Anybody heard of a third party repo for kde3.5 on squeeze? |
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| 17:34.42 | dexter1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.42 | dexter1 | FATAL: Module 8139too,8139cp,bttv not found. |
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| 17:37.03 | jhutchins_lt | dexter1: Where did you get the idea you could specify two modules with an unspaced comma? |
| 17:37.44 | cahoot | dexter1: also - load eithe 8139too or cp not both |
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| 17:38.36 | dexter1 | after loading it what do i do ? |
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| 17:39.20 | lxsameer | is there any way to remove all the softwares additional to a normal lenny netinstall ? |
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| 17:40.32 | dexter1 | done solved , and now it will load automaticly ? |
| 17:41.13 | cahoot | dexter1: correct eth#? |
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| 17:42.36 | dexter1 | yes |
| 17:42.39 | dexter1 | correct eth |
| 17:42.42 | jhutchins_lt | arnie-b: It's supposed to be fully automated now. If you installed the kernel with the apt system you should already have the configuration, if not, run update-grub. |
| 17:43.00 | themill | lxsameer: there's no difference between a netinstall or any other install and there's not really such thing as a "normal" install; what you might be looking for though is "/msg dpkg uninstall everything" |
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| 17:43.59 | senorpedro | hi |
| 17:44.08 | senorpedro | is the following possible: ssh access only to 2 users, BUT: user1 shall be allowed only with keys, user2 with pw and key? |
| 17:44.44 | lxsameer | themill: maybe i ask a bad question, but i want to remove bunch of packages but they are so many, also i can't reinstall debian , so i'm looking for easiest way |
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| 17:46.10 | Dweezahr | hello, dhcpd3 gives: Not configured to listen on any interfaces! |
| 17:46.17 | Dweezahr | this is on lenny |
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| 17:47.30 | Bushmills | lxsameer: tag them in aptitude interactive mode |
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| 17:47.52 | Dweezahr | /etc/default/dhcp3-server containts INTERFACES="eth0" |
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| 17:49.25 | Mirzam | Is there a nice GUI tool to manage CPU Frequency scaling and setting up governors etc? |
| 17:50.04 | cahoot | Mirzam: gnome seems to have an applet |
| 17:50.39 | stew | lxsameer: do you have a list of packages? or are you just hoping to trim down the number of installed packages in general? |
| 17:51.06 | jhutchins_lt | Dweezahr: Is eth0 present? |
| 17:51.21 | lxsameer | stew: i have a list of services ? |
| 17:51.46 | Mirzam | cahoot: Good enough. Thanks! |
| 17:52.09 | stew | lxsameer: you have a list of things to keep or list of things to remove? where are they? in a text file? |
| 17:53.04 | lxsameer | stew: yup |
| 17:53.21 | stew | lxsameer: you have a list of things to keep or list of things to remove? |
| 17:53.49 | lxsameer | stew: remove, but i only need a ssh server and nothing else |
| 17:54.17 | dexter1 | after teset the nic disapperd again , what can i do ? |
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| 17:54.38 | stew | lxsameer: if you have a text file with one package per line (or space separated), you could run "xargs aptitude remove < textfile" |
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| 17:54.42 | pigdude | how do you change username? |
| 17:54.50 | pigdude | usermod -l new old # seems useless |
| 17:55.15 | stew | though hmm, perhaps smarter might be to "xargs aptitude markauto < textfile ; aptitude -f install" |
| 17:55.43 | dexter1 | yes but not in simple ifconfig |
| 17:55.57 | stew | or "xargs apt-mark unmarkauto < textfile ; apt-get autoremove" |
| 17:56.00 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.50 | dexter1 | eth0 eth1 lo |
| 17:57.00 | dexter1 | eth1 = realteak NIC |
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| 17:57.35 | cahoot | dexter1: what corresponds to eth0? |
| 17:57.55 | dexter1 | a nother NIC |
| 17:58.23 | Jckf | I just did a dist-upgrade and got a bunch of warnings about unrecognized boot configuration and whatnot. I don't dare reboot this box now since it is a remote one. How can I make it'll boot again? |
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| 17:59.22 | dexter1 | and in interfaces eth1 is auto , should i change it to allow hotplug or should i try ? |
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| 18:05.37 | Noor_eg | hello , i want install mysql workbench , its not found in debian but have ubuntu version .deb is it ok if i installed in in debian ? |
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| 18:07.38 | AimHere | Noor_eg, it's conceivable that it works, but it's also quite likely to bork your system somewhat |
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| 18:13.34 | cast | hmmm, caching dns queries locally...suggestions? |
| 18:13.39 | Noor_eg | sorryi crahsed |
| 18:13.42 | Noor_eg | again |
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| 18:14.31 | Noor_eg | i want ask if i could install apackage that is for ubunutu and have .deb extenstion in my debian |
| 18:14.32 | Noor_eg | ? |
| 18:15.01 | cast | Noor_eg: no, bad idea. |
| 18:15.09 | Arrowmaster | well its possible but highly recommended not to |
| 18:15.13 | Noor_eg | i want install mysql work branch |
| 18:15.19 | cast | Noor_eg: if you do that no one will help you here. |
| 18:15.46 | jhutchins_lt | Gee, I wonder why he's crashing? |
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| 18:16.23 | Ogmios | ) |
| 18:16.36 | jhutchins_lt | Noor_eg: The correct method would be to take the source either from the project or possibly the ubuntu source and build a debian package of it. |
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| 18:17.23 | Noor_eg | ok is teher is any terminal order that install all development libraries |
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| 18:18.09 | jhutchins_lt | Noor_eg: All? No. |
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| 18:18.44 | Noor_eg | there was somethign like that in fedora |
| 18:18.53 | Noor_eg | installed most used development library |
| 18:19.05 | jhutchins_lt | !build-essentials |
| 18:19.17 | jhutchins_lt | !build essentials |
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| 18:19.47 | Noor_eg | ok could u tell me plz what the line that could do that for me |
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| 18:19.51 | jhutchins_lt | !build-essential |
| 18:19.51 | dpkg | well, build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
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| 18:21.08 | Noor_eg | ty |
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| 18:26.07 | tharkun | Gentlemen i am having some isues with gdm3 it is not behaving properly. Can someone point me on the right direction to start debugging. Like where does it log and stuff like that? |
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| 18:27.37 | danols | ok how do i unset the sticky bit ? chmod 0755 doesn't seem to work? |
| 18:27.38 | Steap | tharkun: What about /var/log/gdm ? |
| 18:27.52 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: xorg.0.log? |
| 18:28.06 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions gdm3 |
| 18:28.08 | judd | Package gdm3 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.30.5-6; sid: 2.30.5-7; wheezy: 2.30.5-7 |
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| 18:35.46 | L-Strife89 | has a rather silly-sounding question: |
| 18:36.18 | L-Strife89 | I'm looking for a way to print the current CPU and RAM usage in a terminal. |
| 18:36.24 | L-Strife89 | Needed for a script. |
| 18:36.36 | petemc | cat /proc/cpuinfo ; free |
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| 18:36.47 | L-Strife89 | Appreciated. |
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| 18:37.43 | jhutchins_lt | L-Strife89: You might want to look at the sysstat package |
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| 18:39.06 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 18:39.47 | tharkun | Steap, jhutchins_lt: thanks both give interesting information. I don't know if it will usefull or not but i can't deny it is indeed interesting. |
| 18:40.02 | Claytonarvixe | Is there a way to turn off the screen on a laptop with a server edition install of debian. |
| 18:40.25 | L-Strife89 | jhutchins_lt: What's the actual executable's name? |
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| 18:40.35 | tharkun | Claytonarvixe: man xset |
| 18:40.41 | jhutchins_lt | ,info sysstat |
| 18:40.43 | judd | Package sysstat (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: system performance tools for Linux. Version: 9.0.6.1-2; Size: 277.0k; Installed: 1124k; Homepage: http://pagesperso-orange.fr/sebastien.godard/ |
| 18:41.16 | jhutchins_lt | Claytonarvixe: Debian doesn't have a server edition. |
| 18:41.25 | Claytonarvixe | jhujhiti, ok |
| 18:41.31 | tharkun | Claytonarvixe: iirc xset dmps force standby should do the trick |
| 18:41.45 | danols | is there a way to search the man ? I want to read up on libpam-mount |
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| 18:41.55 | danols | but can't seem to type the right man foo command |
| 18:42.07 | tharkun | danols: i believe man also has tab completion |
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| 18:42.44 | danols | tharkun: tried tabbing just showed current files in directory |
| 18:43.20 | tharkun | danols: man apropos |
| 18:43.38 | jhutchins_lt | danols: Not much documentation installed for that, you'll need to hit google. |
| 18:44.12 | danols | so to search man I need apropos ? |
| 18:44.33 | tharkun | IIRC it is the man search tool |
| 18:44.55 | danols | tharkun: I'm confused what? |
| 18:45.02 | jhutchins_lt | locate will also show man pages. |
| 18:45.15 | danols | jhutchins: which one do you use ? |
| 18:45.23 | jhutchins_lt | Both. |
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| 18:45.28 | jhutchins_lt | Usually aprpos. |
| 18:45.30 | tharkun | danols: apropos is the intended program to search the man pages |
| 18:45.38 | danols | thanks guys I'll install it |
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| 18:45.47 | jhutchins_lt | When I know it's a manpage I'm looking for. |
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| 18:46.01 | jhutchins_lt | danols: There isn't a manpage for libpam-mount |
| 18:46.14 | danols | jhutchins_lt: there is man pam_mount |
| 18:46.23 | danols | I found after that combination |
| 18:46.58 | danols | apropos not found in aptitude ? |
| 18:47.14 | danols | nm its already installed |
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| 18:52.56 | tharkun | Gentlemen, how do i make gdm3 not display the users on the machine at login? |
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| 18:53.07 | tharkun | but prompt for the username at login |
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| 18:55.44 | Blackhold | hi |
| 18:55.54 | Blackhold | could someone give me some help please? |
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| 18:56.13 | Blackhold | is possible to forward desktop to video0 ? |
| 18:56.34 | stew | tharkun: i don't know, but have you tried gdmsetup? |
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| 18:57.19 | tharkun | stew: gdmsetup used to be a nice program to configure gdm it is totally useless when you need to configure gdm3 |
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| 18:57.43 | stew | no idea then |
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| 18:58.24 | tharkun | stew: thanks any way i'll keep on looking around there must be some doc that specifies how to configure it |
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| 18:58.57 | danols | anyone has experience with pam_mount here ? |
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| 19:08.29 | sphenxes | i have installed the dictionary dict-freedict-eng-ara (squeeze). how can I start this package? |
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| 19:15.53 | maplebed | Hi, I have a package that was built for lenny and I install it on squeeze, but the init script doesn't have LSI info (the debian/rules file uses dh_installinit defaults 99) how will squeeze's dependency based boot order it? |
| 19:16.00 | maplebed | will it start after everything else? |
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| 19:22.40 | danols | anyone has experience with pam_mount here ? |
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| 19:28.45 | owen1_ | how to make my prompt showing the path and have a color? i try adding this line: PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[33[01;32m\]\u@\h\[33[00m\]:\[33[01;34m\]\w\[33[00m\]\$ ' |
| 19:28.50 | owen1_ | but it's not working |
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| 19:36.05 | urandom_ | anybody knows whats it? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/ct-squeeze/multi-arch/iso-dvd/ |
| 19:36.23 | urandom_ | multi-arch without source? |
| 19:36.37 | abrotman | without source? |
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| 19:40.38 | cast | danols: what do you want to do... |
| 19:40.47 | urandom_ | abrotman, just interesting whats it.. |
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| 19:41.32 | Agiofws | i have a dual screen set up but my laptop lcd screen does not have that many color tones as the tft next to it is there a way i can fix this in linux ? my screen is really too bright i think |
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| 19:42.58 | danols | cast I simply want to mount a folder in a jailed sftp session I think I have all setup but pam_mount is not 'kicking' in |
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| 19:43.18 | danols | and I don't see any errors logs in the syslog |
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| 19:44.30 | cahoot | Agiofws: you could/should calibrate the monitors (use argyll), but I doubt you'll ever get the two displays to look really the same |
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| 19:45.38 | Agiofws | cahoot, its not only to get a similar image but also laptops lcd is far too bright or contrasty ... |
| 19:45.42 | cahoot | Agiofws: dispcalgui is a frontend for argyll |
| 19:45.49 | Agiofws | ok |
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| 19:46.23 | Agiofws | nable to locate package dispcalgui |
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| 19:47.21 | cahoot | Agiofws: if you want a well calibrated monitor you need a measuring device (at least if you plan to work with photos) |
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| 19:48.04 | Agiofws | its not a photo issue for me its justthe one screen works much better than the other one ... |
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| 19:49.49 | Thorney | lol |
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| 19:50.11 | RoxyLady62 | :P |
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| 19:54.57 | danols | god damn thing outputs to auth.log ! |
| 19:55.04 | danols | not like it says in the man pam_mount |
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| 20:02.37 | danols | how can I mount a directory under another directory ? |
| 20:02.40 | danols | is it possible with mount ? |
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| 20:03.10 | Agiofws | try it |
| 20:03.19 | barbaz | danols, look for mount bind |
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| 20:03.42 | danols | now I need to do that in pam_mount |
| 20:03.43 | danols | hmmm |
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| 20:08.37 | xyzp | Is there any webradio that is writen in Java, or is everybody in Flash? |
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| 20:09.17 | cast | what is webradio? |
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| 20:09.51 | KjetilK | I'm a bit baffled by the qmail packages, it seems to default to deliver email to /var/spool/mail through procmail instead of the usual Maildir |
| 20:10.18 | KjetilK | and I can't see how that happens, anyone have any pointers? |
| 20:10.25 | xyzp | radio on the internet |
| 20:10.34 | cast | hah, i'd have said /var/spool/mail was the usual :P |
| 20:11.01 | cast | xyzp: icecast, might interest you if you want to setup an online streaming station |
| 20:11.21 | KjetilK | cast, yeah, it is the usual for everyone else, but qmail authors decided it was inferior to what they were doing (and they were right...) :-) |
| 20:11.35 | xyzp | just wonder cast |
| 20:11.59 | cast | checked the README.Debian file? sounds like .deb customized it to be more traditional |
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| 20:12.45 | KjetilK | cast, hmmm, no, I didn't, I should of course, I just checked the changelog... :-) |
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| 20:13.02 | xyzp | cast: thank you |
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| 20:13.10 | hev | hi guys! how are you? i need some guidance please |
| 20:13.13 | cast | xyzp: oh, didn't quite answer your question, icecast is likely C, flash would be a very unusual choice, java less unusual... |
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| 20:13.19 | hev | i'm trying to install lamp, but im stuck on the M part |
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| 20:13.35 | cast | it seems in my experience my radio stations are either served via the non-free shoutcast or icecast |
| 20:13.45 | hev | when I try to do aptitude to get the package i have some problem with the dependencies.. here is my paste bin |
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| 20:14.24 | Gary__ | Hi! I'm trying to install python2.6 in a chrooted environment, but says ImportError: No module named... How can I set sys.path or the PYTHONPATH external variable? |
| 20:14.40 | hev | http://paste.debian.net/108753/ |
| 20:14.45 | hev | but it's in spanish :S |
| 20:14.51 | cast | export PYTHONPATH=/usr/local/.... |
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| 20:15.10 | cast | [assuming bash] |
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| 20:15.14 | hev | it says that it can't solve some dependencies and then prompt me with some options and i don't know what to du |
| 20:15.16 | hev | thx :D |
| 20:15.27 | cast | i don't know spanish :< |
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| 20:16.14 | hev | i'm sorry.. when i installed it i forgot to install it in english |
| 20:17.00 | cast | does "LANG=C aptitude" still do spanish? i don't know how setting languages works |
| 20:17.15 | hev | let me see |
| 20:18.04 | hev | it says that mysql need libdbi -perl and libdbd-mysql-perl wich are virtual packages (what's that?) and if i want to install them manually (N,+,-,:,?) |
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| 20:19.10 | Gary__ | cast: The site-packages dit is empty in /usr/local. Specifically the chrooted python does not find PyQt4, which is existent and working on the real root, also included in the jail. |
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| 20:21.49 | hev | somebody knows how i can change the language of aptitude? |
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| 20:22.56 | hev | i did it |
| 20:23.01 | hev | here is the paste bin :D |
| 20:23.06 | cast | oh, how did you change it? |
| 20:23.31 | hev | using LANG=C i was doing it wrong :D |
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| 20:23.40 | hev | so good to know how to change language |
| 20:23.51 | hev | here it is :D |
| 20:23.52 | hev | http://paste.debian.net/108754/ |
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| 20:24.06 | pep_max | Hey Guys! |
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| 20:24.08 | pep_max | the first 1000 to join will get a FREE six pack! |
| 20:24.16 | rww | this is spam and lies ^ |
| 20:24.18 | xyzp | icecast vs shoutcast? |
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| 20:24.35 | Gary__ | hev: virtual packages are not real packages, they have role in the dependency graph |
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| 20:24.53 | cast | wooo i said something helpful! :) |
| 20:24.55 | hev | Gary__: so what should i do .. i need mysql and php installed :S |
| 20:25.26 | xyzp | cast :-) |
| 20:25.39 | Gary__ | hev: i.e. you want to install c-shell; you can choose between tcsh or csh, which satisfies c-shell. If a package depends on c-shell, it will be happy with tcsh or csh. |
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| 20:25.56 | cast | Gary__: python channel will likely know your answer, fwiw |
| 20:26.07 | hev | i see |
| 20:26.23 | hev | so what's the role of virtual packages here? |
| 20:27.10 | cast | there may be multiple versions of those libraries, any of which will do |
| 20:27.50 | hev | when it says.. resolve this dependencies by hand |
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| 20:27.54 | hev | what should i write there? |
| 20:28.09 | Gary__ | hev: I dont know why libdbi-perl is a virtual package, but can you install it? |
| 20:28.26 | Gary__ | aptitude install libdbi-perl |
| 20:28.35 | KjetilK | OK, the mail system to work :-) Now, next problem: |
| 20:28.41 | KjetilK | I have the homedirs of my users in /home, but I need to migrate the rest from backup |
| 20:28.41 | hev | it doesnt find any packages with that name |
| 20:28.45 | cast | wonders how one searches for packages that provide libdbi-perl |
| 20:28.46 | hev | maybe i don't have the repository |
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| 20:29.02 | KjetilK | Does that amount to copy the relevant parts of /etc/passwd /etc/shadow /etc/group /etc/gshadow? |
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| 20:29.12 | KjetilK | Anything else? |
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| 20:29.21 | cast | i have a libdbi-perl pkg, squeeze, what release are you using hev? |
| 20:29.33 | hev | of debian? |
| 20:29.35 | KjetilK | hev, you could try installing the driver you want, e.g. libdbd-pg-perl ? |
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| 20:29.48 | cast | maybe just pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:29.58 | Gary__ | hev: which debian distro do you use? squeeze? |
| 20:30.20 | Gary__ | hev: yes, sources.list will help |
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| 20:30.22 | hev | let me see |
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| 20:30.54 | hev | emmm i think it's lenny .. but how can i be sure? |
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| 20:31.52 | KjetilK | hev, cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 20:32.07 | hev | thx |
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| 20:32.18 | hev | it's 5.0.6 |
| 20:32.24 | KjetilK | OK, so lenny |
| 20:32.31 | hev | it seems so |
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| 20:32.44 | hev | so it should be a repository problem right? |
| 20:32.48 | KjetilK | libdbi-perl has been in Debian for ages, so it is really strange that you don't see it.... |
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| 20:33.22 | KjetilK | yeah, probably just pastebin your sources.list |
| 20:33.39 | hev | ok will do |
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| 20:33.59 | nvz | I got a new debian squeeze i386 install that is booting to GDM with no working keyboard or mouse.. not responding to Ctrl+Alt+Backspace, SysRQ, Ctrl+Alt+F1.. nothing |
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| 20:34.45 | hev | http://paste.debian.net/108756/ |
| 20:34.45 | hev | thhere |
| 20:34.49 | hev | a few links |
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| 20:36.12 | gebi | hi all :) |
| 20:36.33 | KjetilK | hev, oh, you lack the most important lines :-) |
| 20:36.46 | hev | =O! |
| 20:36.48 | hev | wich ones? |
| 20:36.51 | hev | so i can put them in |
| 20:36.52 | KjetilK | ehm |
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| 20:37.09 | KjetilK | Errr, I have no lenny box to paste them for you, any other takers? |
| 20:37.29 | gebi | i'd like to mail an answer to http://www.seanius.net/blog/2011/02/git-merge-s-theirs/ but can't find his email address of him which is kinda sad as i've alread written my explanation mail |
| 20:37.52 | KjetilK | so, the thing here is that everything worked fine as long as the DVD was in the drive, but once that was removed, it broke :-) |
| 20:38.09 | gebi | is it seanius@debian.org :)? |
| 20:38.27 | gebi | (sorry for asking here but the blog post explicitly mentioned this channel) |
| 20:38.33 | hev | ?? sorry didn't get that |
| 20:38.59 | hev | it can't be squeeze right? |
| 20:39.29 | ike | gebi: well... better try #debian-devel@irc.debian.org. |
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| 20:40.10 | rudi_s | Hi. I'm looking for something like certificate patrol for other programs (maybe as a proxy or something similar) - a tool which verifies the server certificate on the first request (through CAs) and then justs checks if the server certificate changed but ignores CAs - if it did, it should terminate the connection. Looks like even gnutls-cli can't do something like that. Any ideas? Thanks. (Any pointers to similar projects would be appreciated ... |
| 20:40.16 | rudi_s | ... as well.) |
| 20:40.22 | KjetilK | hev, no, never mind what I said, it should look something like |
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| 20:40.32 | KjetilK | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
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| 20:41.31 | hev | thx i'll try that |
| 20:41.40 | fasta | How do I have to configure my machine such that it automounts USB devices with write permissions? |
| 20:41.56 | fasta | It used to do this, but it appears that this has changed. |
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| 20:41.59 | cast | what is automounting the usb? |
| 20:42.02 | gebi | ike: ah thx |
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| 20:42.42 | hev | yeah that did it |
| 20:42.42 | fasta | cast: something in Gnome. |
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| 20:42.49 | hev | thx a lot KjetilK |
| 20:42.53 | hev | (Y) |
| 20:43.29 | _Dave123_ | Does anyone know a good alternative to ISPconfig? |
| 20:43.42 | gebi | _Dave123_: ispcp |
| 20:43.42 | cast | ahh, perhaps ask in #gnome, i used usbmount for a time which was easy to configure such things |
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| 20:43.55 | KjetilK | you're welcome, hev! |
| 20:43.58 | hev | ;) |
| 20:43.59 | gebi | but depends on, nearly all config panels are pure CRAP |
| 20:44.36 | gebi | they are full of root command injections, sql injections and are written by people who don't have a need to user more than one physical server for everything :/ |
| 20:44.49 | _Dave123_ | gebi: is it hard to install? |
| 20:44.50 | gebi | so no seperat mx, mail, imap, db server or anything lese |
| 20:45.12 | gebi | lol yes BUT they are easy to install ;) |
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| 20:45.53 | cast | config panels do suck. |
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| 21:02.20 | thewanderer1 | hi. is there a per-word diff tool? |
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| 21:02.40 | cast | yes. |
| 21:02.47 | quuxman | what's a command line utility for getting and setting extended file attributes, as are set with the setxattr system call? |
| 21:03.09 | cast | if you have a look in the debian reference manual, you'll find a table listing all the diff tools, one is a per word tool |
| 21:03.15 | quuxman | it would probably be filesystem dependent, so I'd expect something like ext4-tools or something |
| 21:03.23 | petemc | chattr |
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| 21:04.16 | quuxman | guess it has nothing to do with the FS. It's a kernel API |
| 21:04.22 | danols | where does pam_umask output it's information ? |
| 21:05.11 | jhutchins_lt | cast: URL? |
| 21:05.12 | petemc | quuxman: i think chattr may be limited to ext2 and its descendants |
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| 21:05.52 | thewanderer1 | petemc: works on all FS that support POSIX ext attr |
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| 21:05.58 | parabyte | is it possible to run power pc lxc container on a x86 platform via software trickery |
| 21:06.03 | quuxman | petemc: it is part of the e2fsprogs package, but I imagine other filesystems supply the same interface |
| 21:06.14 | petemc | thewanderer1: which ones do that? |
| 21:06.21 | quuxman | petemc: most of them |
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| 21:06.31 | thewanderer1 | petemc: ext* and xfs, at least |
| 21:06.37 | quuxman | think reiserfs does too |
| 21:06.56 | thewanderer1 | cast: sorry, I can't find it - can you give me a pointer? |
| 21:07.06 | cast | sec |
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| 21:08.14 | cast | thewanderer1: jhutchins_lt: chapter 10.5 source code merge tools table 10.15 |
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| 21:08.21 | quuxman | how do you add arbitrary attributes? |
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| 21:09.00 | LemensTS | Is it ok to edit sudoers via VI, I dont have other people in the system, and I do not need to worry about the error checking |
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| 21:09.48 | demonkeeper | LemensTS: It is, what prevents you to use visudo though? It does no more than wrap around $EDITOR which can be vim as well |
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| 21:10.51 | LemensTS | demonkeeper: I lied. I just want to echo contents into the sudoers file. I dont know why i said i wanted to use VI |
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| 21:11.24 | quuxman | LemensTS: I always use "sudoedit foo" instead of "sudo vim foo" because I get _my_ ~/.vimrc instead of root's. The only case I don't use sudoedit is if I'm using visudo :-P |
| 21:11.28 | quuxman | LemensTS: nevermind |
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| 21:11.36 | demonkeeper | LemensTS: Well, if you're sure you know what you're doing, just do it. There is nothing wrong with that. |
| 21:11.39 | cast | visudo! |
| 21:11.56 | cast | you could do the syntax checking *and* still > /etc/sudoers |
| 21:12.02 | quuxman | *Nike swoosh* Just do it |
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| 21:12.24 | sparc_ | Hey, if we're trying to package some third-party app |
| 21:12.33 | sparc_ | and they put the hostname in a bunch of their paths |
| 21:12.38 | sparc_ | how do we deal with that |
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| 21:12.52 | sparc_ | if a package is supposed to be able to be installed on multiple hosts |
| 21:13.11 | demonkeeper | sparc_: Maybe you can use a shell expansion, like `uname -r` |
| 21:13.17 | quuxman | Specifically I want to set the security.capability attribute on a file, but chattr doesn't allow arbitrary attribute setting |
| 21:13.18 | demonkeeper | ehm |
| 21:13.20 | demonkeeper | uname -n |
| 21:13.33 | sparc_ | Would you, make a source deb, and then in the build process, incorporate the hostname? |
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| 21:13.56 | sparc_ | i can get the hostname without problems, with /bin/hostname or something like that |
| 21:14.01 | demonkeeper | Depends. Does the hostname matter? For example: Is the hostname relevant to start the app? |
| 21:14.18 | demonkeeper | Like does the application /expect/ the path to be /foo/bar/hostname? |
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| 21:14.25 | sparc_ | yeah, the app has internal programs that use the hostname to get the path of other binaries |
| 21:14.32 | sparc_ | i don't know why they built it like that |
| 21:14.38 | sparc_ | it's like they want to make it hard to distribute |
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| 21:15.23 | demonkeeper | You might consider to patch the source then, to make it distributable. In general, ask such questions in #debian-mentors on OFTC |
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| 21:15.35 | sparc_ | oooh, that's where that is |
| 21:15.38 | sparc_ | ok :) |
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| 21:15.48 | sparc_ | it's a commerical non-free app :( |
| 21:15.56 | sparc_ | thanks for the pointers though! |
| 21:16.29 | quuxman | they're called xattrs... how do I get/set them? |
| 21:16.47 | quuxman | I can do it just fine in C or Python... there _must_ be a shell utility |
| 21:17.16 | sparc_ | i feel your pain :( |
| 21:17.28 | demonkeeper | sparc_: Depending how the binary does determine the hostname you /could/ wrap a dummy function around, which always returns the same name. A clean approach would be a patch of course. |
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| 21:17.47 | luminoso | i usually did "ifconfig eth1 up" and "dhclient eth1". but how do i update the ipv6 adress for eth1 now? |
| 21:17.56 | sparc_ | demonkeeper: cool, thanks |
| 21:17.58 | luminoso | since there is no dhclient por ipv6 |
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| 21:18.23 | aleray | hi, i would like to create a .deb for this software: http://gitslave.sourceforge.net/ there is a lot of tutorials around but is there some prefered way? |
| 21:18.43 | demonkeeper | aleray: The Debian New Maintainers Guide |
| 21:18.57 | demonkeeper | http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 21:19.13 | aleray | demonkeeper, thanks |
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| 21:20.50 | demonkeeper | aleray: If you not only want to build a Debian package, but also include it to Debian, consider also to read http://wiki.debian.org/SponsoredMaintainer. |
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| 21:21.14 | quuxman | ah, it's simply the attr package. FML |
| 21:21.39 | aleray | demonkeeper, thanks |
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| 21:29.24 | quuxman | so apparently capabilities are tied to processes and files, not UIDs like one would expect |
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| 21:29.37 | quuxman | actually all three would be nice |
| 21:29.56 | quuxman | but right now I want capabilities attached to UID, so when I call setuid in a process, the capability set changes |
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| 21:33.30 | peterrooney | wishes pdo would separate MUAs from MTAs instead of having one big glom |
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| 21:35.20 | thewanderer1 | quuxman: doesn't a process drop all capabilities when it setuid()s? |
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| 21:42.51 | NoahS | Hi, I was wondering if this was a place I could ask a question about debian 6 I am having an annoyance with it and I am just looking for some more information |
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| 21:43.09 | bolt | NoahS: shoot |
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| 21:44.16 | NoahS | I have debian 6 installed on a laptop only the base settings were installed on it (I setup the server edition). The screen blackouts but does not turn off. I am looking for a way to shut off the screen, so it stops using power after a certian amoutn of time. |
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| 21:44.37 | fbs | I have a small debian vps running, now only apache+gitweb+gitosis+screen+irssi |
| 21:44.53 | fbs | memusage went from 50 -> 230MB in 1 day |
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| 21:45.38 | tharkun | fbs: apache can be a memory hog but you can take a look at how things are running with top or ps aux |
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| 21:46.09 | fbs | tharkun: yeah i know, irssi and screen both were using 172m virtual |
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| 21:47.11 | fbs | i already rebooted it |
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| 21:47.52 | fbs | but in 3.5h the memusage went up with 10MB, i killed apache for now |
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| 21:48.07 | boota2 | Hello, I can't automatically mount sshfs via fstab on boot, it throws "an error occured while mounting /my/share". If I ignore an error and manually do mount fstab, all works like charm. |
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| 21:48.43 | tharkun | fbs: Are you sure it was apache? don't you have some other memory hog around? |
| 21:49.01 | fbs | tharkun: i dunno what it is, so im trying apache for now |
| 21:49.13 | fbs | i also disabled all scripts |
| 21:49.16 | fbs | for irssi |
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| 21:49.56 | tharkun | fbs: keep on monitoring with ps aux redirecting to a timestamp. It will map your memmory usage through time |
| 21:50.04 | fbs | hmm good idea |
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| 21:50.28 | fbs | but ihad the same irssi config running on a free shell, it never used more then 25MB |
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| 21:51.25 | bolt | !tell boota2 about error message |
| 21:51.54 | bolt | boota2: it probably tries to mount it before your network is up |
| 21:52.02 | surf | hi guys I have a website in a LAN server. How do I know something more about what happens whenever I interact from a client to it? I mean, are there any software to analyze server's logs&stuff like that? |
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| 21:53.02 | bolt | surf: what do you want to know? the server logs should be in /var/logs |
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| 21:53.28 | tharkun | fbs: actually i don't think the problem is with irssi. Some other process might be |
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| 21:54.00 | fbs | tharkun: yeah |
| 21:54.00 | boota2 | bolt: seems like it. |
| 21:54.06 | boota2 | How do i fix it? |
| 21:54.07 | surf | bolt, every type of request is logged there? Also http requests&stuff like that? |
| 21:54.31 | bolt | surf: depends on your webserver and its log settings |
| 21:54.57 | tharkun | fbs: if everything is as static as i suppose a simple diff among the different pictures should point to the prick |
| 21:55.09 | surf | bolt, can you suggest me some guides to set logs on webservers? |
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| 21:55.43 | duxklr | surf: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/trunk/logs.html |
| 21:55.49 | bolt | knowing which webserver you're running would help. most likely all you need is its config file and the manual |
| 21:56.20 | surf | duxklr, thanks, I'll read that |
| 21:56.44 | duxklr | surf: assuming your running apache. If you want to make pretty graphs and such something like 'awstats' |
| 21:57.11 | surf | duxklr, yes debian and apache |
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| 22:00.14 | acx0 | is it possible to set a system-wide variable through a shell script, one that can be accessed by other shells even once the main shell that 'exported' it is closed? |
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| 22:01.06 | fbs | tharkun: i'll see what happens tonight. |
| 22:01.16 | tharkun | Good luck |
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| 22:01.51 | duxklr | surf: as bolt said check out the logs in /var/log/apache2 the look at the apache configuration files /etc/apache2/apache2.conf there are configuration lines that start with LogFormat that allow you to tweak the format. |
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| 22:03.22 | surf | duxklr, thx, I'll give a look at that |
| 22:04.00 | duxklr | acx0: do you want this to be automatic or can you add a 'source' line to the top of all scripts? |
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| 22:05.43 | acx0 | duxklr, I'm not sure what 'source' is - basically I need to use a program called wmname to set the name of the window manager i'm using, but I don't want to have to run it everytime I run urxvt; instead check if it's already set, if not then run it |
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| 22:09.04 | acx0 | duxklr, nevermind, I figured out another solution |
| 22:09.21 | duxklr | acx0: ok. |
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| 22:09.44 | StarWars | HI |
| 22:09.45 | StarWars | i have a server whit 6 HHD. i whant to install OS Linux to '1 first hhd ' the rest off 5 to be backup ...how i do theat ...by RAID ?? |
| 22:10.16 | booi | you want 5 backup drives? |
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| 22:10.32 | booi | what is this, i am legend? |
| 22:10.35 | duxklr | StarWars: Do you want all the drives to look like one big drive? |
| 22:11.28 | StarWars | duxklr NO.When the 1 hhd is crash ...then to cheanged |
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| 22:12.04 | duxklr | StarWars: so you want all 5 to be backup drives? |
| 22:12.08 | StarWars | i whant to have buck`up the driver 1 2 3 4 5. |
| 22:12.17 | StarWars | duxklr yes. |
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| 22:12.51 | duxklr | StarWars: you want software raid. The raid type would be mirroring (RAID 1) with 3 spare drives. |
| 22:13.04 | duxklr | Make disk 1 and 2 a mirror of each other. THen make the last 3 spares. |
| 22:13.13 | StarWars | i have laike 7 HHD so i whant to cheange the crash OS 'debian'and to have my /home /var ...save as back ùp |
| 22:13.23 | duxklr | If 1 or 2 fails the other will take over for it. Then a spare will become active. |
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| 22:14.34 | StarWars | duxklr the raid software i install after the Debian ?? or in the bigin off the start`up '' sorry no sao good english' |
| 22:14.38 | debiantonio | :( my old pc down |
| 22:14.49 | debiantonio | dead :( |
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| 22:15.32 | duxklr | I believe you can do it during the install. When partitioning the disk look for RAID setup. |
| 22:16.06 | StarWars | Aha ...i remember it whaz a Raid Option . you are right |
| 22:16.23 | StarWars | duxklr Thanks 4 the tip. |
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| 22:17.12 | duxklr | StarWars: it has been a while since I have done this, but there should be some google docs for settings up RAID1 during the install. |
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| 22:17.15 | StarWars | duxklr 1 more thing ...but on boot up i get theat Option to run F8 to make partition ...you know ??/ |
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| 22:17.48 | duxklr | StarWars: not familiar with that sorry. |
| 22:18.06 | StarWars | duxklr YOU THE BEST ..tHANKS |
| 22:18.30 | StarWars | now i go Hack some Ubuntu :)))) |
| 22:20.34 | duxklr | StarWars: In the Debian channel :) |
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| 22:42.30 | jhutchins_lt | ok, space shuttle's on orbit, you can come back now. |
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| 22:43.23 | karsten-nr | jhutchins_lt: :) |
| 22:43.37 | karsten-nr | jhutchins_lt: We're not gonna relax until it's safely on the ground. |
| 22:43.47 | jhutchins_lt | I know. |
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| 22:46.47 | tyche | Since the recent upgrade of Testing from Squeeze to Wheezy I have had a problem with NVidia. It no longer can handle some 3D abilities I had before (most noticeable in the Platinum Arts Sandbox game maker). And trying to restore glx capability returns the warning that it will remove most (if not all) of xorg. What am I doing wrong (presume, here, that I'm a perpetual n00bie). |
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| 22:48.38 | sprink | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:48.49 | sprink | ^ is that tool obsolete? |
| 22:49.21 | sprink | 'dch' |
| 22:49.56 | themill | sprink: why would it be? |
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| 22:51.16 | sprink | I just can't find it in the repos and I don't seem to already have it installed |
| 22:51.49 | themill | sprink: it's actually called debchange and it's in the devscripts package |
| 22:52.32 | themill | dpkg: tell sprink about apt-file |
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| 22:55.28 | cast | tyche: oh the fun of using non-free ;P |
| 22:56.17 | tyche | I know. Unfortunately, the free version doesn't provide me with the tools I need. Improve the free version and I'd be glad to use it. :-) |
| 22:56.20 | sprink | themill: thanks |
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| 22:56.52 | cast | i must say, there was a time where it seemed half of all questions here related to non-free software, such as nvidia drivers or flash, it seems to be much better as of late. i wonder if the people asking those kinds of questions have merely migrated to ubuntu |
| 22:57.13 | sprink | I would say, most likely they have |
| 22:57.20 | tyche | Please! . . . Don't get me started on Ubuntu. |
| 22:57.30 | sprink | my local LUGs are full of ubuntu users |
| 22:57.32 | tyche | You DID notice that I'm running Debian Testing, didn't you? |
| 22:58.12 | cast | sure, what does that imply? |
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| 22:58.29 | tyche | That I'm NOT running Ubuntu. |
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| 22:59.15 | cast | great :), didn't mean to imply you were :P |
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| 23:00.06 | tyche | Yes, but I USED to run Ubuntu. And I'm sure there are still some people that remember me from there. |
| 23:00.18 | tyche | Sensitive subject. Sorry. |
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| 23:01.23 | Agiofws | is anyone using debian and chrome ? to test something out for me ? |
| 23:01.49 | Agiofws | http://www.chess.com/play/computer.html |
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| 23:02.35 | jhutchins_lt | !testing |
| 23:02.35 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 23:02.51 | thewanderer1 | "Missing plugin". yeah, the font looks great. also the site layout fits perfectly! |
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| 23:04.10 | tyche | ". . . and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times . . .". No bumpier than Ubuntu was. |
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| 23:05.43 | Bossbear | http://www.docstoc.com/docs/8424853/Trans-Dimensional-Unified-Field-Theory-82009 |
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| 23:06.44 | jhutchins_lt | tyche: Except when it's worse, because we know some of the updates will break things. |
| 23:07.30 | RichiH | there's a script that will TRIM all local filesystems that are on SSD and support it, but i can't for the life of me find it... any ideas? |
| 23:08.15 | thewanderer1 | I thought Linux already does that automatically... try ata.wiki.kernel.org |
| 23:08.16 | tyche | jhutchins_lt: Understood. However, my basic question is "will installing the nvidia-glx" with it's concurrent removal of so much of xorg kill the xwindows system? Or is it replacing it? |
| 23:08.38 | RichiH | thewanderer1: it does when the FS supports it, already |
| 23:08.54 | RichiH | but in this case, I have had xfs on an ssd for a year or so |
| 23:08.54 | jhutchins_lt | tyche: You are the one who gets to find out first. |
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| 23:09.06 | RichiH | and xfs only supports TRIM since 2.6.37 |
| 23:09.12 | jhutchins_lt | tyche: That's what "testing" means. |
| 23:09.14 | tyche | Wrong! LOL. I'm too patient for that. |
| 23:10.17 | tyche | Being a perpetual n00bie has it's advantages and disadvantages. The advantage is that often I can get information/knowledge that others take for granted. The disadvantages is that sometimes I just must be patient. |
| 23:10.34 | tyche | Being old and retired also helps with that. |
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| 23:23.23 | jhutchins_lt | tyche: Why not run stable then? |
| 23:23.58 | _Dave123_ | what is the best way to delete a set of debian packages i just installed but that i dont need anymore? |
| 23:25.11 | diphthong | how do you break out of an old or stale or hung SSH session ? |
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| 23:25.26 | robokop | _Dave123_: how you installed them? |
| 23:25.27 | Agiofws | exit |
| 23:25.28 | Agiofws | ? |
| 23:25.31 | _Dave123_ | robokop: apt-get |
| 23:25.32 | themill | diphthong: <enter> ~ . (three separate key presses) |
| 23:25.40 | Agiofws | ctl+x or z or c |
| 23:26.05 | robokop | _Dave123_: apt-get remove (--purge if you want to remove config) |
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| 23:28.38 | peterrooney | _Dave123_: the package "deborphan" is your friend for this |
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| 23:30.56 | themill | dpkg: tell mastertogo about root |
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| 23:32.28 | mastertogo | !tell themill my irc username is not my linux username |
| 23:33.04 | themill | mastertogo: that's nice. You're +q with an ident of root on many channels on many networks. |
| 23:33.27 | mastertogo | themill: i am aware of that |
| 23:33.47 | themill | .o0( so why do it ) |
| 23:33.48 | mastertogo | in fact some asshat has a bot that notices me whenever i join #debian |
| 23:33.58 | themill | mastertogo: and it will continue to do so. |
| 23:34.12 | mastertogo | because snide people waste their time when i do and it amuses me :-) |
| 23:34.26 | themill | *plonk* |
| 23:35.54 | mastertogo | themill: additionally, the channels i frequent do not think their users so stupid as to irc as root, and therefore don't needlessly +q *!*root@* |
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| 23:37.17 | peterrooney | mastertogo: that only works for invite-only channels. |
| 23:37.40 | mastertogo | peterrooney: what? |
| 23:38.22 | thewanderer1 | <rant>isn't IRC requiring identd to LISTEN for the connections from the "server" an example of bad design akin to FTP's "client shall listen to connections from the server" anyway?</rant> |
| 23:38.37 | thewanderer1 | (ask dpkg about "ftp must die") |
| 23:39.07 | rww | it doesn't require it, hence most users not using it ;P |
| 23:39.07 | peterrooney | mastertogo: can't predict how stupid or intelligent all future users could be. |
| 23:39.22 | mastertogo | heh |
| 23:39.24 | rww | having the option of identd is occasionally useful for things like shell servers |
| 23:39.27 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 23:39.50 | HardDisk_WP | can I make php5.3 and 5.2 available at the same time using apache mod_php or lighttpd fastcgi? |
| 23:40.07 | thewanderer1 | of course you can |
| 23:40.23 | peterrooney | HardDisk_WP: #httpd may have more salient answers |
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| 23:40.39 | thewanderer1 | rww: do you happen to know how my IRC client sends my username to Freenode? |
| 23:40.53 | HardDisk_WP | the point is: is this actually supported by the debian package infrastructure? |
| 23:41.00 | HardDisk_WP | or do I have to locally build php?? |
| 23:41.07 | thewanderer1 | HardDisk_WP: the latter applies |
| 23:41.12 | HardDisk_WP | -.- |
| 23:41.32 | thewanderer1 | why do you want to have php5.2 and 5.3 available in parallel on the same system? |
| 23:41.55 | rww | thewanderer1: when IRC clients first connect, they send some info, including the ident string configured in the client, which generally defaults to current username. |
| 23:42.09 | themill | HardDisk_WP: not at all using debian packages. With a lot of jiggling using a source install of one in cgi mode and the other in module mode |
| 23:42.25 | HardDisk_WP | hmm ok |
| 23:42.30 | mastertogo | which, ironically, even if you were IRCing as root most clients wouldn't even use your username as root |
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| 23:42.39 | thewanderer1 | HardDisk_WP: 0. setup container A with PHP 5.2; 1. setup container B with PHP 5.3; 2. setup container C with haproxy; 3. iptables FUN!!! |
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| 23:43.07 | Agiofws | 3. iptables FUN ? |
| 23:43.11 | thewanderer1 | yeah |
| 23:43.33 | Agiofws | whats the set up supposed to do ? |
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| 23:44.34 | thewanderer1 | if you configure haproxy just the right way, it gives you 2 WWW servers |
| 23:44.46 | thewanderer1 | one is for .php and the other for .php52 or so |
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| 23:45.15 | thewanderer1 | oh wait. you could do the same by making a second container for PHP5.2 running as FastCGI on IPv4... heh, I overdid it. silly me :) |
| 23:45.33 | Agiofws | why dont you just run 2 apache servers ... with dif. versions of php on the same host ? |
| 23:45.59 | Agiofws | running on dif. ports ? |
| 23:46.07 | thewanderer1 | because managing 2 apaches on 1 host eliminates the possibility of using the Debian infrastructure to manage the configs of both |
| 23:46.17 | thewanderer1 | but the dual-PHP single-HTTPD approach is simpler |
| 23:46.50 | thewanderer1 | then just add handlers for various extensions, or conditionals for different ports in lighty and you're set |
| 23:47.03 | Agiofws | so separate config files for each apache server ? |
| 23:47.10 | thewanderer1 | yes, this is a mess... |
| 23:47.20 | thewanderer1 | not just config, but init script too |
| 23:47.20 | Agiofws | its natural ... |
| 23:47.46 | Agiofws | why do you need 2 versions of php ? web developing ? |
| 23:48.11 | HardDisk_WP | nah |
| 23:48.18 | HardDisk_WP | customers with typo3 |
| 23:48.25 | Agiofws | ? |
| 23:48.32 | HardDisk_WP | and php5.3 deprecates ereg_* |
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| 23:49.09 | HardDisk_WP | typo3 uses multiple error_reporting(E_ALL ^ E_NOTICE); which of course ignores the E_DEPRECATED introduced in 5.3 |
| 23:49.38 | Agiofws | all greek to me |
| 23:49.42 | themill | that deprecation is irrelevant though; it doesn't stop the code running |
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| 23:50.36 | thewanderer1 | a better question would be "how do you differentiate between customers who run PHP5.2 and those who run PHP5.3"... |
| 23:51.03 | Agiofws | what kind of clients need 5.2 and 5.3 ? |
| 23:51.29 | thewanderer1 | yeah, if they run both version, it becomes somewhat problematic |
| 23:51.47 | Agiofws | ok |
| 23:52.00 | Agiofws | why would i need 5.2 to connect to a web page ? |
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