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| 00:07.54 | LinuxGuy2009 | I have a PCI wireless card on my desktop machine and it doesn't work out of the box. I'm assuming that its because some non-free firmware was removed from the kernel. I see the package called "firmware-linux-nonfree". Do I just download that package, install it, and then my card will start working? |
| 00:08.40 | Bushmills | depends |
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| 00:09.43 | LinuxGuy2009 | I mean the card worked in lenny. |
| 00:10.07 | LinuxGuy2009 | So I would assume that it just needs the firmware on this release? |
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| 00:11.51 | cast | you would aptitude install it,y es |
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| 00:12.17 | Exio4 | hi :) |
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| 00:20.23 | tyche | jhutchins_lt: Running Stable, at this time, would mean a re-install and subsequent week of getting everything back into some sort of shape. It's an option I may entertain, but right now I'm involved in other things that are taking up my time. Perhaps in April. |
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| 00:48.44 | quuxman | thewanderer1: I don't know. I'm very new to this capability thing. That would be nice if all capabilities were dropped on setuid |
| 00:49.25 | thewanderer1 | quuxman: man 7 capabilities |
| 00:49.57 | thewanderer1 | "Effect of User ID Changes on Capabilities" |
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| 00:50.42 | sweetpi | how should I partition a 4k sector drive? |
| 00:52.07 | robokop | quuxman: http://forums.grsecurity.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2522 <-- be warned that most capabilities are equal to full priviliges |
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| 00:53.32 | thewanderer1 | sweetpi: google it, there's a wealth of resources |
| 00:54.26 | thewanderer1 | robokop: good find... even though I did know it, it helps newcomers to understand capabilities and why to run grsecurity :P |
| 00:55.59 | sweetpi | thewanderer1: I did, and opted for parted, since the guide said it handled it automatically. but fdisk reports the partition starting on sector 1 with 512b sectors |
| 00:56.27 | thewanderer1 | well, was the guide written for Debian? |
| 00:56.50 | thewanderer1 | maybe make the partitions yourself... parted in Debian might not automatically know this |
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| 00:58.04 | sweetpi | no it wasn't. I should have just stuck to creating them manually |
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| 00:59.19 | robokop | sweetpi: i would recomend using something like fdisk over manually creating and dd-ing your partition tabel |
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| 01:00.54 | sweetpi | robokop: actually I was planning on using butterflies to create the partition table for me |
| 01:01.02 | tonytraductor | hey, listen, I installed wordpress on the little server here in my office, but I'm a little confused on getting it running, and the only howto I can find is from 2008 (etch, wp v. like 2 or something) |
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| 01:03.57 | blindrat | I'm trying to install fglrx and its saying this "http://paste.debian.net/108787/" seems its using kernel version -686 when I am using -amd64 how do I resolve this? |
| 01:03.59 | luke-jr | How can I pin a repository so that it's not used unless I specifically ask for it? |
| 01:04.18 | luke-jr | blindrat: fglrx cannot mix 64-bit kernel and 32-bit userland |
| 01:04.40 | tonytraductor | ok, here are the instructions I found: http://linux.justinhartman.com/Wordpress_Installation_on_Debian |
| 01:04.48 | tonytraductor | there's no man page for wordpress... |
| 01:05.10 | blindrat | luke-jr: oh.. well this machine cannot seem to run a 32bit kernel.. tried.. it boots but the keyboard/mouse dont work at all among other things.. is there another option you know of? |
| 01:05.12 | tonytraductor | I'm a bit confused about how to write the config if I don't want the wp install in the toplevel dir |
| 01:05.24 | luke-jr | blindrat: run 64-bit Debian? |
| 01:05.47 | blindrat | luke-jr: just switched to 32bit cause the app I'm trying to run won't work with a 32bit chroot or ia32libs |
| 01:05.51 | tonytraductor | blindrat: probably having difficulty with your usb controller or something |
| 01:06.11 | luke-jr | blindrat: what kind of screwed up app is that? |
| 01:06.21 | tonytraductor | I was playing with other OSes and distros last week, and a few couldn't play with the USB controller on the machine I was using (thus, no kb no mouse) |
| 01:06.28 | blindrat | tonytraductor: we looked all through dmesg only error seemed to be just after it bitches about irq18 it oopses |
| 01:06.29 | luke-jr | blindrat: anyhow, you could force install of 64-bit fglrx, and run X inside a 64-bit chroot |
| 01:06.44 | tonytraductor | but that wasn't debian, that was some *BSD, opensolaris, and syllable os |
| 01:06.52 | blindrat | luke-jr: hmm.. are there alternatives to fglrx? |
| 01:06.53 | tonytraductor | huh, weird |
| 01:06.58 | luke-jr | blindrat: um, duh |
| 01:07.04 | luke-jr | blindrat: Linux, X.org, Mesa |
| 01:07.16 | luke-jr | as in, it should all just work |
| 01:07.19 | luke-jr | with a vanilla install |
| 01:07.22 | blindrat | luke-jr: currently using mesa.. its not really working very well.. poor performance |
| 01:07.33 | luke-jr | oh well |
| 01:07.53 | luke-jr | hire some more programmers to help the driver devs out |
| 01:07.57 | blindrat | heh |
| 01:08.16 | tonytraductor | I bet I could make dough if I knew how to write drivers. |
| 01:08.20 | tonytraductor | but nope...no C fu. |
| 01:08.21 | blindrat | I personally use nvidia.. it works.. just trying to help a friend |
| 01:08.22 | tonytraductor | nada |
| 01:08.39 | luke-jr | tonytraductor: if you want dough, get a bread oven thing |
| 01:08.56 | tonytraductor | right... |
| 01:09.03 | luke-jr | blindrat: the whole point of Linux is to stick to free software. for that, AMD cards work much better |
| 01:09.04 | tonytraductor | I make dough translating stuff |
| 01:09.24 | tonytraductor | trying to break into making dough with some webhackery, but it seems to be a bloated market |
| 01:09.33 | tonytraductor | with many people more skilled than I am |
| 01:10.06 | blindrat | luke-jr: I use mesa dri on this ancient Thinkpad.. but in the case of this newer machine with an X1200 radeon, mesa dri seems to make it perform about the same as my old thinkpad |
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| 01:10.33 | blindrat | luke-jr: in fairness I didn't exactly try -686, the installer put -486 on and that wasn't working |
| 01:10.41 | blindrat | I went straight from -486 to -amd64 |
| 01:10.58 | blindrat | running X in a chroot sounds difficult |
| 01:11.15 | blindrat | may be easier to try get the -686 kernel to work |
| 01:11.17 | tonytraductor | I'm on AMD64 here. The server I'm trying to get WP running on is 32bit, though |
| 01:12.20 | blindrat | I didn't know you couldn't mix 64/32 like that.. my nVidia box does it and this is the first I heard fglrx couldnt |
| 01:12.31 | luke-jr | blindrat: X1200 is ancient. -.- |
| 01:12.48 | blindrat | well the system is a laptop and only about 3 years old |
| 01:12.50 | tonytraductor | I do have 1a32 libs and some 32b stuff installed on here, but not drivers |
| 01:13.07 | blindrat | ancient is this thinkpad... 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] |
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| 01:13.16 | luke-jr | that's beyond ancient. |
| 01:13.19 | blindrat | hehe |
| 01:13.21 | luke-jr | X1200 should do better than that |
| 01:13.30 | blindrat | its not really with mesa dri |
| 01:13.34 | cast | luke-jr: well, to be fair, that's the point of GNU, Linus doesn't mind non-free at all - remember bitkeeper ;), and the fact it took the debian kernel team years to make linux free |
| 01:13.35 | luke-jr | X850 was |
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| 01:13.38 | demonkeeper | blindrat: T41? |
| 01:13.43 | blindrat | demonkeeper: indeed |
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| 01:13.50 | luke-jr | cast: screw Linux, I meant GNU :P |
| 01:14.19 | luke-jr | blindrat: all the current work is going into improving the HD cards though. I wouldn't be surprised if older ones suffered as a result. |
| 01:14.27 | luke-jr | blindrat: btw, fglrx doesn't support pre-HD |
| 01:14.42 | blindrat | luke-jr: probably.. the driver says it supports 6xx-7xx |
| 01:14.44 | demonkeeper | blindrat: That's very new! I've still got a 600X somewhere with Cirrus Logic 4MB VGA! |
| 01:14.50 | demonkeeper | No, 600e |
| 01:15.12 | blindrat | luke-jr: 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series] |
| 01:15.33 | blindrat | luke-jr: which I'm guessing is a 6xx card which the driver description says it supports |
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| 01:15.38 | tonytraductor | mostly I'm not sure how to alter the apache2/sites_available/* file |
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| 01:15.47 | luke-jr | blindrat: well, I'd suggest upgrading :P |
| 01:15.53 | luke-jr | or settlign with Mesa |
| 01:15.54 | tonytraductor | since the WP isntall is/will not be the only thing on the server |
| 01:16.01 | luke-jr | Sandy Bridge's GPU is pretty nice |
| 01:16.08 | tonytraductor | the instructions only seem to address installing wordpress in the toplevel of the domain |
| 01:16.10 | luke-jr | it certainly beat my X850 |
| 01:16.49 | blindrat | luke-jr: yeah well he does need a new computer.. but its not a perfect world.. we're gonna try work with what we got.. I'll have to see about tweaking mesa dri and/or trying one of the other solutions like using a 686 kernel or running X in a chroot |
| 01:17.04 | blindrat | however I don't know if that will cause problems with 32bit X clients or not |
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| 01:19.21 | luke-jr | blindrat: so why does he need super-fast 3D? |
| 01:19.35 | nertil | were interfaces are on 6.0 ? |
| 01:19.36 | tonytraductor | according to the instructions, I THINK I should have a wp install here http://blinguas.homelinux.net/press/index.php/ but I don't |
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| 01:19.59 | nertil | , /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 01:20.17 | luke-jr | How can I pin a repository so that it's not used unless I specifically ask for it? |
| 01:21.06 | tonytraductor | ha! I founda README, at least |
| 01:21.20 | luke-jr | is it good or bad when I join to ask for help, and find I only help others? <.< |
| 01:21.38 | tonytraductor | that's what we're all about, helpin each other out |
| 01:21.39 | blindrat | luke-jr: he doesn't need super fast 3d.. just need to be reasonable.. |
| 01:21.46 | tonytraductor | we help where we can, and ask for help when we need it. |
| 01:22.03 | robokop | luke-jr: http://tinyurl.com/6dlbu4f |
| 01:22.29 | luke-jr | blindrat: X1200 should be more than reasonable |
| 01:22.30 | nertil | were interfaces are on 6.0 ? |
| 01:22.31 | nertil | , /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 01:22.40 | blindrat | luke-jr: well apparently not with mesa dri |
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| 01:23.01 | luke-jr | robokop: already read that, it only works in the wrong direction :/ |
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| 01:23.12 | luke-jr | blindrat: is it an ancient version? try Debian 6? |
| 01:23.36 | blindrat | luke-jr: my nVidia 8200G M on a similar machine (laptop same cpu) far outperforms it.. its more along the lines of this old ass Thinkpad T41 with Radeon 7500 |
| 01:23.48 | blindrat | luke-jr: its Debian 6.0 |
| 01:24.30 | robokop | luke-jr: you want old versions to pin? |
| 01:24.48 | blindrat | luke-jr: its probably got far less to do with mesa dri than it does with the app he's running.. which doesn't support it |
| 01:25.06 | spliffi | hi community, is there a way in linux to automatically ask for a new dhcp ip address if the switchport goes down and comes up soon after? Windows is doing this without any interaction. I needed to ask in linux for a new ip since now "dhclient eth0" f.e. |
| 01:26.15 | spliffi | so somehow linux should recognize that a new link is up and automatically ask the dhcp...how can I do this? |
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| 01:26.36 | luke-jr | blindrat: not with DRI, it doesn't. |
| 01:26.57 | luke-jr | robokop: I want this third-party repository to be ignored unless I ask for something only it has |
| 01:27.35 | robokop | luke-jr: set its pinning priority to 1 |
| 01:27.41 | nertil | were interfaces are on 6.0 ? |
| 01:27.42 | nertil | , /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 01:28.47 | luke-jr | robokop: what is default? |
| 01:28.48 | demonkeeper | Yes |
| 01:29.00 | robokop | luke-jr: read man apt_preferences |
| 01:29.04 | demonkeeper | nertil, they are. |
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| 01:29.14 | luke-jr | k ty |
| 01:30.24 | nertil | because i heard there are some changes on 6.0 |
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| 01:30.56 | demonkeeper | Changes related to what? |
| 01:31.03 | tonytraductor | who are these egotistical Wp folks who think I'm only ever going to install WP in the toplevel of a site? |
| 01:31.06 | nertil | to older version of debian |
| 01:31.55 | demonkeeper | Sure there are changes, /etc/network/interfaces still is, where it always was though (well, since a lot of years at least). |
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| 01:32.29 | thewanderer1 | spliffi: apparently network-manager does that |
| 01:32.41 | nertil | well for now im using ubuntu server but i decided to jump to debian does it looks like better choice? |
| 01:33.02 | demonkeeper | What answer do you expect in #debian? |
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| 01:33.17 | spliffi | thewanderer1: Iam playing around with backtrack4, so I recon networkmanager isn't running there... |
| 01:33.35 | nertil | well this question was for ppl that moved from ubuntu to debian , i expect true answer |
| 01:33.49 | nertil | if its better its better if bad bad |
| 01:34.03 | demonkeeper | There is no "true" answer, its about taste and personal experience. |
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| 01:34.23 | duxklr | nertil: You have to compare the two and decided what features matter to you. |
| 01:34.33 | demonkeeper | And obviously most if not all people in #debian will tell you "Debian is the way to go". That shouldn't surprise you. |
| 01:34.56 | tonytraductor | ah yah, Debian is definitely the way to go! |
| 01:34.58 | duxklr | I personally like both. Each has its good and bad things. I pick the best one for the application that I need. |
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| 01:36.30 | nertil | wich one is most stable and better support? looks like ubuntu owns much more clients and the support is better |
| 01:36.52 | demonkeeper | If that is what you believe ... |
| 01:36.54 | nertil | cause im newbie, also i use wlan0 for internet and cccam. |
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| 01:39.25 | duxklr | Ubuntu does include some non-free binary blob type stuff for wireless a few "easy" button type configuration options that Debian does not. Personally I like the debian support channels better, I think they have a much higher caliber of help. Stability, I have had no trouble with either distro. I like the Debian community. I like the Ubuntu 6 month release cycle. Etc... Again person preference. |
| 01:39.30 | blindrat | luke-jr: thanks for all the advice.. I think I got a handle on what was wrong with the 32bit kernel now.. gonna go that route I guess and compare to Mesa DRI |
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| 01:40.21 | tonytraductor | do I want to symlink the index.php in the dir where I want the blog? or ln -s /usr/share/wordpress (w/out index.php) |
| 01:40.25 | tonytraductor | ? |
| 01:40.50 | tonytraductor | I seem to be getting conflicting instructions |
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| 01:49.39 | tsccof | does anyone know any text editor for web development similar to bluefish? |
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| 01:53.03 | manitou | hi ! is anyone here with 07D1:3C0A D-Link System DWA-140 RangeBooster N Adapter(rev.B2) [Ralink RT2870] and CAN confirme that work in N mode 300mbps ?!?! |
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| 02:02.07 | tonytraductor | okay, am I supposed to alter the setup_mysql script, or not? |
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| 02:02.12 | tonytraductor | because when I did, I got an error |
| 02:02.13 | wkmanire | Is it possible to install debian from debian? |
| 02:02.21 | tonytraductor | and when I didn't I got an error |
| 02:02.27 | quuxman | thewanderer1: the folks in #selinux are very helpful |
| 02:02.32 | wkmanire | I need to install it on a computer that doesn't have a CD drive and can't boot from USB. |
| 02:02.44 | wkmanire | It alerady has debian on it, but I want to install the most recent version. |
| 02:03.01 | thewanderer1 | quuxman: thanks for mentioning... I live in the grsecurity world though :D |
| 02:05.08 | wkmanire | dist-upgrade |
| 02:05.09 | wkmanire | I found it. |
| 02:05.13 | wkmanire | nvm. |
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| 02:06.00 | homie | fuck! man i hate those transparency effect on my starter bar |
| 02:06.28 | homie | where the hell did it come from now, it wasn't there before |
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| 02:07.43 | homie | and i can't disable it even |
| 02:08.35 | homie | installed jack and can't get rid of it now |
| 02:08.57 | homie | installed pulseaudio and can't get rid of it now too |
| 02:09.50 | alphur | hi, getting this error dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: syntax error: unknown group 'opendnsec' in statoverried file E: Sub-proess /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) A pacahce failed to install. Trying to recover: |
| 02:09.51 | homie | once i install pulseaudio the snd-hda-intel device-symbols disappear |
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| 02:14.34 | tonytraductor | doesn't anybody here have wordpress installed? |
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| 02:15.00 | tonytraductor | the blokes in #wordpress are just telling me to purge the debian version and isntall from their software. |
| 02:15.05 | tonytraductor | I don't want to do it that way. |
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| 02:16.22 | phorce1 | tsccof: if you want "similar to bluefish" why not just USE bluefish? |
| 02:16.58 | tsccof | phorce1: well, I was just wondering if there is any other text editor as powerful as Bluefish for web development |
| 02:17.12 | tsccof | phorce1: I happen to be running bluefish-2.0.3, and I love it |
| 02:17.17 | phorce1 | tsccof: emacs <evil grin> |
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| 02:17.37 | tsccof | phorce1: I said text editor, not OS |
| 02:17.40 | nevyn | phorce1: vim |
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| 02:18.46 | phorce1 | tends to use joe for most everything. Having started text editing using WordStar on CP/M machines it's what I'm most comfortable with "out-of-the-box" |
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| 02:21.10 | homie | and kdm suddenly let me in without the correct password |
| 02:21.25 | homie | lol |
| 02:21.32 | homie | i got cracked! |
| 02:23.24 | homie | happy nuttin |
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| 02:34.12 | MrFrood | me thinks phorce1 is nuts, One of the happiest days of MrFrood's life was when he upgraded from wordstar to wordperfect - MrFrood now uses vim for almost everythin text related |
| 02:35.10 | MrFrood | must remember the slash :-| |
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| 02:36.40 | nertil | were can i get debian server latest one |
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| 02:37.17 | nertil | can i get link please |
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| 02:38.30 | nevyn | nertil: http://debian.org |
| 02:38.38 | nertil | ebian-6.0.0-i386-CD-46.iso |
| 02:38.40 | nertil | why cd 46 |
| 02:38.51 | nevyn | because that's the 46th cd in debian |
| 02:39.01 | nertil | wich one i should get |
| 02:39.01 | nertil | ? |
| 02:39.27 | rww | !install guide |
| 02:39.28 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
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| 02:42.03 | nertil | i need to get all that cds ? |
| 02:42.14 | nertil | 52 cds? |
| 02:42.15 | rww | no. read the install guide. |
| 02:42.21 | boudiccas | nertil, only if you want to :) |
| 02:42.28 | homie | the the dvds then |
| 02:42.35 | homie | get* |
| 02:42.37 | nertil | well ubuntu owns just one cd |
| 02:42.39 | nertil | grr |
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| 02:42.47 | duxklr | nertil: Get the netinstall CD. |
| 02:42.52 | Bushmills | i'd download all cds three time each, for redundancy. increases reliability |
| 02:42.58 | duxklr | 1 CD, it will install from the network. |
| 02:43.04 | boudiccas | lol @ Bushmills |
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| 02:43.45 | homie | get an official cd! |
| 02:44.08 | nertil | duxklr i wish have eth0 to do with netinstall |
| 02:44.18 | homie | those dev's are all bullying you else with non-official packages... |
| 02:44.41 | duxklr | nertil: You need a network connection yes. |
| 02:44.57 | nertil | im with wlan |
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| 02:45.02 | nertil | so thats not option for me |
| 02:45.05 | homie | and crack into your pc without your consent and use your pc's workpower piecewise, such that you don't even sense it for a long time... |
| 02:45.06 | nertil | looks like i need to get all cds |
| 02:45.09 | nertil | yay! |
| 02:45.21 | rww | not good at reading, I take it. |
| 02:46.04 | nertil | it confuses me |
| 02:46.04 | nertil | :) |
| 02:46.10 | nertil | i need answer that help |
| 02:47.25 | duxklr | nertil: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/amd64/ch02s01.html.en#network-cards |
| 02:47.27 | Bushmills | maybe ubuntu is a better choice |
| 02:47.41 | duxklr | YMV. But you can try. |
| 02:47.53 | nertil | its more user friendly |
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| 02:47.57 | atrone | is anybody here? |
| 02:48.12 | atrone | i'm trying to connect with VNC to another machine |
| 02:48.35 | atrone | I tried it with krfc and vinagre |
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| 02:48.54 | atrone | but when i connect with the other machine it only show a cursor and nothing more :S |
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| 02:49.01 | atrone | anybody understand me? |
| 02:49.18 | atrone | i'm sorry for my fatality english |
| 02:49.32 | Bushmills | a cursor is good. maybe that's all that the other machine has to show |
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| 02:49.56 | homie | curse or |
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| 02:50.05 | crapeau | like ubuntu lol... |
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| 02:50.34 | atrone | i'm on a debian KDE client and i'm trying to connect with VNC / krfc to ubuntu system server vnc |
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| 02:50.54 | homie | and it seems the crackers use python! |
| 02:50.54 | nertil | ok im getin netinstall |
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| 02:51.26 | nertil | duxklr i need to choose base installation right |
| 02:51.35 | Bushmills | nertil: get ubuntu, it seems to require less confusing reading |
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| 02:51.42 | homie | or ruby or perl |
| 02:51.56 | atrone | can anybody help me? |
| 02:51.58 | nertil | im on ubuntu Bushmills |
| 02:52.02 | nertil | im jumping to debian |
| 02:52.06 | homie | or qt! |
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| 02:53.11 | crapeau | nertil: why would you? |
| 02:53.11 | Bushmills | nertil: what improvements do you hope from that step? |
| 02:54.02 | nertil | more stable than ubuntu, because ubuntu uses debian core |
| 02:54.08 | homie | or postgres or mysql! |
| 02:54.21 | Bushmills | nertil: what does "stable" mean to you? |
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| 02:54.34 | homie | it means half-stable |
| 02:54.36 | nertil | more support |
| 02:54.45 | nertil | more stable |
| 02:54.50 | homie | less-stable then the old-stable it means |
| 02:55.09 | nertil | u gay homie |
| 02:55.10 | nertil | ? |
| 02:55.15 | homie | jep |
| 02:55.16 | Bushmills | nertil: will you be happy with packages not being updated frequently? no new versions? |
| 02:55.18 | blindrat | ok when I install fglrx-modules-dkms it tries to build for -686 and I'm using -686-bigmem and it fails.. what do I do in this scenario? |
| 02:55.29 | homie | i'm sooo gay tonight, i listen all to gay music |
| 02:55.34 | nevyn | oh... to me it means ancient out of date desktop software. |
| 02:55.35 | Bushmills | because that's essentially what "stable" means to debian |
| 02:55.37 | homie | eheh |
| 02:55.42 | homie | :) |
| 02:55.44 | nertil | why debian doesnt update frequently? |
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| 02:55.53 | Bushmills | because it is stable |
| 02:55.56 | nevyn | nertil: it's not the goal. |
| 02:56.05 | nertil | than thats why im going to do that |
| 02:56.09 | nertil | and jump to debian |
| 02:56.16 | nertil | im updating my ubuntu |
| 02:56.17 | nertil | every day |
| 02:56.17 | nevyn | the goal is to produce a "release" |
| 02:56.19 | nertil | grrr |
| 02:56.19 | Bushmills | ubuntu isn't because they update their packlages more frequently |
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| 02:56.47 | nertil | so now i found better reason to jump to debian |
| 02:56.52 | nertil | thanks to you |
| 02:56.52 | Bushmills | so you either have "stable" or "frequent updates" |
| 02:57.25 | nevyn | Bushmills: there's some fudgeablility of that. with things like testing and backports but in simplistic terms yes |
| 02:57.44 | blindrat | nm.. apparently I was missing headers |
| 02:58.05 | Bushmills | nevyn: this must be put in simple terms because to the subject, reading may be confusing |
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| 02:58.18 | tonytraductor | please help, the people in #wordpress are jerks, and keep just telling me not to use OUR version of wordpress. |
| 02:59.02 | homie | or javascript or lisp! |
| 02:59.15 | crapeau | nertil: how old is your computer? |
| 02:59.26 | nkuttler | tonytraductor: we tell you we don't support it |
| 02:59.26 | nertil | crapeau well its 3.0 intel |
| 02:59.30 | nertil | with 1gb ram |
| 02:59.36 | nertil | 120 hdd |
| 02:59.52 | nertil | wlan, etho and geforce 2 |
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| 03:00.04 | nevyn | 3.0 intel? |
| 03:00.12 | nertil | wait |
| 03:00.14 | nertil | let me check |
| 03:00.14 | nevyn | i3? |
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| 03:00.16 | nertil | in phpsysinfo |
| 03:00.20 | nertil | no no its not i3 |
| 03:00.37 | nevyn | nertil: is it a laptop? |
| 03:00.41 | nertil | no |
| 03:00.43 | nertil | second please |
| 03:01.11 | nertil | Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz |
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| 03:02.16 | nertil | its 1 gb of ram and 120 hdd |
| 03:02.18 | nevyn | oh.. p4 no ia32e for you |
| 03:02.26 | hochron | will squeeze recognize a belkin basic usb wireless stick? |
| 03:02.36 | crapeau | nertil: and it is not stable under ubuntu x.y? |
| 03:02.52 | nertil | its stable |
| 03:02.55 | nertil | but to much updates |
| 03:03.02 | nertil | 10.04.1 |
| 03:03.05 | nertil | 10.04.2 |
| 03:03.06 | nertil | bla bla |
| 03:03.07 | nertil | :D |
| 03:03.22 | crapeau | nertil don't do them |
| 03:03.36 | nertil | they recommend to do |
| 03:04.11 | crapeau | nertil: like winblows |
| 03:04.34 | hochron | when you apt-get install libiw30 for wireless, what do you do with it? |
| 03:04.35 | nertil | :D |
| 03:04.43 | tonytraductor | hochron, stick it in thee and see what happens. |
| 03:05.08 | hochron | Im dl'ing right now.. 8 min |
| 03:05.11 | hochron | ok |
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| 03:05.17 | crapeau | nertil: are you into learning cli |
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| 03:10.46 | homie | and they feed you with backdoored kernels! |
| 03:10.59 | homie | and backdoored X's |
| 03:11.08 | nevyn | DVL ? |
| 03:11.18 | nevyn | Damn Vulnerable Linux... |
| 03:11.49 | Bushmills | and insecure ssl keys ... *duck* |
| 03:12.10 | homie | and they buy teh cert companies, and they put the hacker's onto the ips monitors! |
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| 03:15.18 | homie | and they modulate the electric currents and freqs ! |
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| 03:18.11 | Bop_ | anyone knows why VLC wont transcode to MPEG1 2 or 4 ? |
| 03:19.08 | homie | feed it bad porn and then ask !? |
| 03:19.12 | homie | lol |
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| 03:21.29 | homie | they use even radio waves to get into your pc! |
| 03:21.55 | homie | tehheeee |
| 03:22.09 | dvs | dons his tin foil hat |
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| 03:26.20 | tonytraductor | Okay. I installed wp, and it seems apache is correctly configured, and I believe my mysql db is properly configured and running |
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| 03:26.35 | tonytraductor | I can run the install.php, but then it tells me it can not connect to the db |
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| 03:26.55 | tonytraductor | I know the db exists. Iknow what I named it, and I know I gave myself permission to access it |
| 03:27.06 | tonytraductor | I know mysql is running. |
| 03:27.10 | tonytraductor | what am I doing wrong? |
| 03:27.27 | tonytraductor | #wordpress is ignoring me because I'm using the debian package |
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| 03:27.33 | tonytraductor | anyone? |
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| 03:30.28 | Bushmills | php5_mysql is installed? |
| 03:31.03 | tonytraductor | pretty sure, but lemme check |
| 03:31.57 | tonytraductor | yep installed |
| 03:33.20 | tonytraductor | it seems apache is pointing to the right place |
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| 03:38.42 | atrone | anybody knows why when I use a x11vnc server and i connecto with vncviewer or similar, i can't use the keyboard on virtual remote machine? |
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| 03:40.53 | tonytraductor | ther error I get is this (now): We were able to connect to the database server (which means your username and password is okay) but not able to select the wpress database. |
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| 03:43.17 | tonytraductor | I've restarted apache and mysql like 50 times... |
| 03:43.30 | thewanderer1 | so make the database |
| 03:43.33 | tonytraductor | I did |
| 03:43.42 | tonytraductor | and I gave myself permission to access it |
| 03:43.53 | thewanderer1 | and checked that it works? |
| 03:44.00 | tonytraductor | I know the username and password in wp-config.php are correct |
| 03:44.04 | tharkun | and did you use the cli to make sure you can do it? |
| 03:44.09 | tonytraductor | how do I check if it works? seems like it isn't |
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| 03:44.19 | tonytraductor | I used the cli to make the db and my use in it |
| 03:45.11 | tharkun | tonytraductor: Did you check where the user from wordpress is able to access the database? |
| 03:45.36 | tonytraductor | I don't understand the question... I can't get wordpress to function |
| 03:45.48 | tonytraductor | I get as far as the install.php script, and it says it can't connect to the db |
| 03:45.54 | tharkun | Accessing with the cli might not check the actual permissions that the right user needs |
| 03:46.00 | tonytraductor | or, sometimes it runs, and asks for a config file |
| 03:46.10 | tonytraductor | it has a config file, now, with the correct information |
| 03:46.45 | tonytraductor | I follwed the isntructions here http://codex.wordpress.org/Installing_WordPress#Using_the_MySQL_Client |
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| 03:47.30 | tonytraductor | what's this about? Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables.. |
| 03:47.37 | tonytraductor | got that when I restart mysql |
| 03:48.21 | tharkun | those are normal it is done allways whenever mysql restarts |
| 03:48.37 | tonytraductor | I didn't think that was anything to concern myself with |
| 03:48.50 | tonytraductor | it seems mysql is correct, apache is correct... |
| 03:48.56 | tonytraductor | just can't get wp to cooperate |
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| 03:52.39 | crapeau | nertil: still there ? |
| 03:54.12 | nertil | yes |
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| 03:55.05 | crapeau | what are you using your computer for? |
| 03:55.27 | nertil | ipv6 routing, cccam/oscam, apache2, znc, eggdrop |
| 03:55.38 | nevyn | heh oscam lolz |
| 03:55.42 | nertil | :P |
| 03:56.39 | crapeau | can you live with program 1 2 or 3 years old |
| 03:56.56 | nertil | lol yes |
| 03:57.01 | nertil | why no |
| 03:57.42 | crapeau | cos that is what debian stable is |
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| 03:58.35 | dvs | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:59.36 | tharkun | crapeau: What is your point? What idea is on your mind that you are trying to transmit |
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| 04:02.07 | tonytraductor | I got it installed. |
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| 04:03.07 | crapeau | nertil said:ipv6 routing, cccam/oscam, apache2, znc, eggdrop... seem pretty cutting edge :-| |
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| 04:05.11 | JoeCoder_ | I'm trying to write a shell script to get a server setup the way I need. As a novice, this way I can run the script again if I ever screw something up. |
| 04:05.28 | JoeCoder_ | and minimize downtime |
| 04:05.58 | JoeCoder_ | however, many packages that are installed with apt-get stop and prompt for answers to various questions. How can I script this part? |
| 04:06.55 | crapeau | in two year ubuntu will be very upstream with 13.04 and debian might be releasing |
| 04:07.43 | nevyn | JoeCoder_: change to a non-interactive debconf.. |
| 04:07.43 | rage_ | JoeCoder: you need to use --assume-yes to your apt-get command |
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| 04:08.23 | crapeau | i've no problem with that but will nertil? |
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| 04:08.49 | JoeCoder_ | nevyn: I already use -y. These are questions like "what password would you like for mysql?" |
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| 04:09.04 | JoeCoder_ | err, that was for rage_ |
| 04:09.15 | JoeCoder_ | nevyn: What is a non-interactive debconf? |
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| 04:10.54 | JoeCoder_ | how do I switch to it? |
| 04:11.19 | JoeCoder_ | and how will I provide answers to questions? It will select defaults and I will edit the configuration files? |
| 04:11.58 | rage_ | JoeCoder: have you tried this?: http://www.ossramblings.com/preseed_your_apt_get_for_unattended_installs |
| 04:12.28 | JoeCoder_ | nope. reading. |
| 04:13.00 | tonytraductor | wordpress wants ftp access, but I only have ftp access to my /home on that machine, and all the wp stuff is in /usr/share |
| 04:13.13 | tonytraductor | I can move stuff in there by hand, but can't ftp stuff in there |
| 04:13.23 | JoeCoder_ | rage_: this looks easier than I expected |
| 04:13.24 | tonytraductor | I managed to get a plugin installed |
| 04:13.46 | JoeCoder_ | tonytraductor: symbolic link? |
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| 04:14.13 | JoeCoder_ | tonytraductor: Or host the site from a home directory? |
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| 04:15.38 | nutron | is there a recipe to check say.. /lib against every installed package to make sure the files are still there? |
| 04:15.41 | nutron | :) |
| 04:15.43 | Gnudoll | OK, why would hardinfo no longer recognise that my laptop has a battery? |
| 04:16.18 | Gnudoll | it was recognised in Lenny fine, but now that I'm running Squeeze. . . |
| 04:16.46 | JoeCoder_ | maybe it only works for Toy story toys that used batteries? |
| 04:16.58 | Gnudoll | laptop is a Thinkpad T43 and I'm running the stock install kernel |
| 04:17.03 | tonytraductor | you mean like stick a symlink into /usr/share/wordpress/wp-content/ to somewhere in /home? |
| 04:17.36 | tonytraductor | the thing is, wp seems to want to handle this stuff automagically, and I'm not sure how to tell it to ftp stuff to /home, or something |
| 04:17.40 | tonytraductor | I'm confused... |
| 04:17.58 | tonytraductor | wow...even imported my comments... |
| 04:18.03 | JoeCoder_ | so it doesn't accept a sub-folder? |
| 04:18.09 | JoeCoder_ | it wants the wordpress files in the ftp-root? |
| 04:19.12 | tonytraductor | at this point, IÃŽÂ…m working through the wp admin dashboard, and it doesn't ask me where I want it to download stuff |
| 04:19.30 | tonytraductor | it just naturally assume, apparently, that it should/can ftp stuff into wp-content |
| 04:19.55 | tonytraductor | is this something I need to change in my pure-ftpd? |
| 04:20.02 | JoeCoder_ | are you sure wordpress wants ftp credentials to your box and not the box distributing the patches? |
| 04:20.22 | tonytraductor | this is for the automagic plugin updates |
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| 04:21.02 | JoeCoder_ | I don't know wordpress well, but php running on your machine has the ability to download anythghing and replace any files the www-data apache user has access to. |
| 04:21.12 | JoeCoder_ | which is why I don't understand why it needs ftp access. |
| 04:21.33 | JoeCoder_ | and I'm reaching the limit of what I know enough about in order to help you. |
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| 04:22.57 | ignotus | hi, I have problem with lmsensors, I have kernel 2.6.37, I have run sensors-detect, I have loaded the modules (modprobe), and when I type sensors (as root) I get the following error message: Can't access /proc file /proc/sys/dev/sensors/chips or /proc/bus/i2c unreadable; Make sure you have done 'modprobe i2c-proc'! |
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| 04:26.10 | imperfect- | Hey, is there a way t turn on colorls w/ debian 6? |
| 04:26.11 | imperfect- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:28.18 | JoeCoder_ | rage_: debconf-get-selections | grep mysql does not contain my mysql password. |
| 04:28.31 | JoeCoder_ | or anything that is hashed |
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| 04:28.57 | imperfect- | Is alias "ls=ls --color" the only way? |
| 04:29.03 | MrFrood | imperfect-: set "ls --color=never" as an alias for ls |
| 04:29.53 | JoeCoder_ | root_: Maybe I need to install debconf-utils before mysql |
| 04:30.51 | imperfect- | never? |
| 04:30.53 | imperfect- | I want it on? |
| 04:31.13 | imperfect- | I did alias ls= ls -F --color |
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| 04:31.16 | imperfect- | seems to be what I want |
| 04:32.57 | tonytraductor | all my apache are belong to root...is that bad? |
| 04:33.28 | JoeCoder_ | tonytraductor: I don't even know :) I just know that mine defaulted to www-data in ubuntu 10. |
| 04:33.41 | JoeCoder_ | but I need to go to bed. |
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| 04:35.04 | tonytraductor | oh, yeah, it DOES belong to www-data |
| 04:35.09 | tonytraductor | just the process belongs to root |
| 04:35.14 | tonytraductor | because only root can start apache2 |
| 04:35.15 | tonytraductor | doh |
| 04:35.18 | tonytraductor | you're right |
| 04:35.51 | MrFrood | imperfect-: "always" for on, but you might want to also try auto, you may also want to check the info page for coreutils |
| 04:36.45 | crapeau | network service should not be owned by root |
| 04:37.16 | homie | what are greylists ? |
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| 04:38.23 | MrFrood | imperfect-: you can also alter the colours by using a line like 'LS_COLORS="ow=01;93:di=00;93:ln=00;33"' in your shells rc file |
| 04:38.57 | crapeau | homie: people you should dance with... lol |
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| 04:39.58 | homie | lol |
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| 04:40.17 | homie | well first off i can't dance well |
| 04:40.22 | homie | lol |
| 04:40.32 | homie | i wil get onto their feet! |
| 04:41.01 | crapeau | practice and you will be white-listed... |
| 04:41.07 | homie | so that they don't have to shoot on their feet! |
| 04:41.16 | homie | lol |
| 04:41.41 | homie | hrmm |
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| 04:41.57 | homie | it's sa-exim's cron script, which i wondered just about |
| 04:42.18 | homie | greylistclean but nothing to clean actually |
| 04:42.35 | homie | don't know if i shouldn't just delete it |
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| 04:46.56 | crapeau | isn't the grey list about watching what could be spam if recurent |
| 04:47.24 | homie | maybe, but exim is here just running locally |
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| 04:47.38 | homie | should i check if i spam myself ? |
| 04:47.41 | homie | lol |
| 04:48.34 | optraz | anyone has any idea on this error means? 22628:error:1409E0E5:SSL routines:SSL3_WRITE_BYTES:ssl handshake failure:s3_pkt.c:530 |
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| 04:50.20 | crapeau | ssl handshake failure is self explaining go see in the sources s3_pkt.c line 530 |
| 04:51.20 | optraz | line 530 is a empty line. |
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| 04:51.48 | crapeau | and the line be4 |
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| 04:53.45 | optraz | sorry, i got the wrong version just now |
| 04:53.55 | optraz | the correct version show line 530 SSLerr(SSL_F_SSL3_WRITE_BYTES,SSL_R_SSL_HANDSHAKE_FAILURE) |
| 04:56.10 | optraz | dont know what is that means anyway. |
| 04:56.17 | optraz | crapeau: can you explain? |
| 04:56.22 | crapeau | maybe your INTERLOCUTOR |
| 04:56.30 | crapeau | isn't compatible |
| 04:56.41 | optraz | what is INTERLOCUTOR? |
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| 04:56.45 | crapeau | sorry for the caps |
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| 04:57.38 | optraz | can you explain? im no ssl expert |
| 04:57.39 | crapeau | a handshake is tryng to connect to an interlocutor isn't it? |
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| 04:58.31 | crapeau | you r maybe using ssl3 for connecting with ssl2 ot ssl |
| 04:58.44 | crapeau | or ssl |
| 04:59.13 | optraz | too shay |
| 04:59.21 | optraz | not sure what are you talking :) |
| 04:59.44 | Gnudoll | hardinfo (system prifiler) is no longer recognising my laptop battery after upgrading to squeeze |
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| 04:59.53 | Gnudoll | any ideas why? |
| 05:00.17 | crapeau | an interlocutor is the "person" computer you are trying to connect with |
| 05:00.30 | Gnudoll | I'm using the stock install kernel |
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| 05:01.25 | optraz | crapeau: yes, im trying to test to a server using openssl. |
| 05:02.24 | crapeau | dou you know wich version of ssl the server is using |
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| 05:03.28 | optraz | crapeu , Protocol : SSLv3 |
| 05:03.48 | crapeau | and you, which one are you using |
| 05:03.52 | optraz | crapeau: cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA |
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| 05:04.00 | optraz | -ssl3 |
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| 05:06.13 | optraz | crapeau: any idea to find out what is the cause of it? |
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| 05:07.55 | crapeau | what program is the client and what program is the server??? |
| 05:08.28 | optraz | what do you mean what program? |
| 05:09.22 | crapeau | firefox try to connect via https to apache |
| 05:09.59 | optraz | ok, im currently testing connect from openssl s_client to a server. |
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| 05:10.56 | crapeau | do you control both? |
| 05:11.26 | optraz | no, only the client i has control. |
| 05:12.40 | alan__ | b1 |
| 05:12.58 | crapeau | it seem you don't use the same cipher |
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| 05:13.57 | optraz | how do you mean "don't use the same cipher" ? |
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| 05:14.54 | cognitiaclaeves | How can I look up LSB headers for init scripts on squeeze? |
| 05:15.14 | cognitiaclaeves | I upgraded from etch and need to add the LSB headers, but I don't know where to get them out of. |
| 05:15.22 | optraz | crapeau: openssl s_client -connect <url>:8443 -ssl2 -verify 3 -cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA |
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| 05:15.46 | optraz | sorry, -ssl3 |
| 05:16.05 | crapeau | are you shure the server is using -cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA |
| 05:16.36 | optraz | crapeau: yes, because from another server, i tried using the same command, it give no handshake error... |
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| 05:17.06 | crapeau | are the using the same version of the software??? |
| 05:17.12 | optraz | from that server, openssl output, it gaves this, New, "TLSv1/SSLv3, Cipher is EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA", so i pluck in those values to the server which has handshake error. |
| 05:17.29 | optraz | crapeau: no, openssl is of different version. |
| 05:18.06 | crapeau | look for bugs or configs differences |
| 05:18.20 | optraz | crapeau: im not convince if it is openssl version different that cause this handshake error. |
| 05:19.18 | optraz | crapeau: could it be when the handshake is perfrom, the server validate the client ip addresss? |
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| 05:20.18 | crapeau | why would a server validate your address and the other not? |
| 05:21.43 | optraz | crapeau: sorry, i dont know on this ssl thing. |
| 05:21.46 | optraz | im guessing yes. |
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| 05:23.41 | crapeau | ssl mean secure socket layer... it is used for secure login or communication with website. so nobody sees or guess your passwd or wath you r doing. |
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| 05:24.14 | optraz | ok |
| 05:24.33 | optraz | then this issue beat me. im update openssl to the latest version in centos 5.5 repo |
| 05:24.37 | optraz | and still getting that error. |
| 05:24.53 | crapeau | with the same server |
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| 05:25.19 | optraz | yes, same server. |
| 05:25.35 | crapeau | the other work fine? |
| 05:25.41 | optraz | yes, others work fine. |
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| 05:26.42 | crapeau | guess the server might be the problem... ;-) |
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| 05:27.51 | optraz | hehe |
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| 05:29.44 | crapeau | optraz: the version has nothing to do with handshake |
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| 05:31.03 | optraz | crapeau: agree |
| 05:31.08 | optraz | and so does IP address. |
| 05:31.40 | xiangfu | hi , a question about C struct. is this the correct using C struct not defines: http://pastebin.com/v2gMvYBp |
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| 05:31.41 | xiangfu | thanks. |
| 05:31.53 | crapeau | it is like wispering an agreement... lol |
| 05:32.21 | optraz | mm |
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| 05:55.06 | quuxman | How does setting CAP_SETUID using filesystem xattrs translate? I don't know the xattr name, after a lot of googling, and guessing hasn't produced success. My best guess so far is: setfattr -n security.capability.setuid -v pe test_program # but it does nothing |
| 05:56.03 | quuxman | the capabilities man page says it's possible to do this |
| 05:56.09 | quuxman | but it doesn't give any direction on how |
| 05:56.25 | quuxman | Getting tired of guess-and-check :-/ |
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| 05:56.59 | yagoo | http://linux.die.net/man/1/getfattr |
| 05:59.08 | KB1JWQ | yagoo: Gah, hilights... |
| 06:00.00 | yagoo | quuxman, worked ?.. there's also this -> http://linux.die.net/man/8/lcap |
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| 06:05.16 | quuxman | blarhg. I've already read the getfattr manpage obviously, and lcap is not relevant |
| 06:05.49 | tjhowse | I am having a problem upgrading to libgif4, some kind of conflict with libungif4g: http://pastebin.com/D4zzELZd |
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| 06:07.33 | SerajewelKS | tjhowse: remove libungif4g first: dpkg --remove --force-depends libungif4g |
| 06:07.41 | SerajewelKS | tjhowse: then aptitute install -f |
| 06:07.53 | SerajewelKS | tjhowse: if something depends on it, a newer version should be reinstalled automatically |
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| 06:09.10 | tjhowse | yep, that's fixed it. I can now continue my ugrade |
| 06:09.19 | tjhowse | many thanks sera, much appreciated |
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| 06:17.57 | tonybaldwin | I installed a pureftpd on this server in my house, and I installed wordpress, but the two won't play |
| 06:18.21 | tonybaldwin | wordpress wants to upload stuff to /srv/www/wp-uploads, and pureftp only allows me to upload to my /home |
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| 06:18.45 | tonybaldwin | and the pureftp site is all 404 at the moment, so I can't get to their docs. |
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| 06:19.31 | simonrvn | set up a home dir for a user; use that /./ on the end so pure-ftpd chroots the user there |
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| 06:20.00 | simonrvn | so say /srv/www/sitename/./ e.g. |
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| 06:20.12 | simonrvn | tazman: ^^ |
| 06:20.52 | tazman | yeah. I'm trying to translate that into English. |
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| 06:21.19 | tazman | or one of the other 3 languages I speak. |
| 06:21.30 | bocaneri | Translate what? |
| 06:21.51 | tazman | use that /./ so pure0ftpd chroots the user there |
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| 06:22.28 | tazman | I can man chroot, but not quite sure about "use that /./ on the end" |
| 06:23.02 | tazman | all the pure-ftp uses are just users on the box. |
| 06:23.33 | tazman | I was thinking about symlinking a dir in my /home to /srv/www/wp-content and wp-uploads, but I don't think that's going to work |
| 06:23.57 | tazman | because /srv/www is not owned by myuser, but by www-data, and I can only do stuff in there when I'm root or sudo |
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| 06:24.18 | tazman | so I don't see how symlinking is going to help, and not quite sure about how making another user is going to do it |
| 06:25.24 | tazman | I only just installed the ftpd yesterday and it's first time I've ever done that. |
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| 06:25.44 | tazman | I've never tried to run a webserver before last week, so this is all new to me. |
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| 06:25.54 | simonrvn | tazman: that's how pure-ftpd does it |
| 06:25.55 | tazman | you guys helped me get that set up. |
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| 06:26.13 | simonrvn | tazman: um, usually a site has its own directory |
| 06:26.23 | tazman | how? you mean gives the user access to home only? |
| 06:26.24 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 06:26.43 | simonrvn | what? |
| 06:26.45 | quuxman | WoW, tldp.org has some grossly out-of-date shit |
| 06:26.46 | tazman | I'm pretty sure I set that parameter...but it only make sense, if I were adminning a server and hosting for other people, |
| 06:26.49 | FutureK | Can not registry in skype. It gives "invalid password". What to do? |
| 06:26.56 | tazman | to only give them access to their /home, I suppose |
| 06:26.59 | quuxman | Still stuck on this capability problem |
| 06:27.15 | simonrvn | sure, but you'll find out soon enough you might want to do that anyway |
| 06:27.17 | tazman | I have several apps installed on the site. blazeblogger, dokuwiki, and now wordpress |
| 06:27.37 | tazman | oddly, I seem to be able to upload stuff to dokuwiki without issue. |
| 06:27.40 | tazman | but not wp |
| 06:27.41 | simonrvn | yes, but it doesn't preclude them having a web dir of their own, if you want |
| 06:27.55 | simonrvn | probably dir perms |
| 06:28.07 | tazman | I've thought for a while that wordpress was pretty awesome software, but, when you behind it, it gets kind of confusing |
| 06:28.32 | simonrvn | at this point you might want a shared group between the httpd and your user |
| 06:28.43 | tazman | I mean, customizing a theme, running a blog, blah blah, easy as pie |
| 06:29.02 | tazman | but installing it on a server and adminning the back-backend...not so easy, it seems |
| 06:29.06 | simonrvn | admin isn't as easy, always ;) |
| 06:29.14 | tazman | yes, but I want to learn |
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| 06:29.27 | tazman | and the guys in #wordpress kicked me out. |
| 06:29.44 | tazman | they really weren't very helpful at all. |
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| 06:30.05 | tazman | but then, they seem to have a chip on their shoulder against "debian's damaged packaged version" |
| 06:30.18 | tazman | they kept telling me to not use it. |
| 06:30.47 | tazman | the thing is, I seem to have wordpress running okay, but the problem is getting it ftp access, and that's were I'm stuck |
| 06:31.12 | tazman | since pure-ftpd gives users access to /home and the wordpress install is in /srv/www |
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| 06:31.47 | sobersabre | hi. |
| 06:32.06 | sobersabre | Is there a command to reinstall a package so the files (I have corrupted) are recreated ? |
| 06:32.22 | tonytraductor | sobersabre, i would purge it first then reinstall |
| 06:32.23 | SerajewelKS | tonytraductor: why should wordpress need ftp access to anything? |
| 06:32.33 | tonytraductor | to upload pictures, update plugins, etc. |
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| 06:33.05 | tonytraductor | although the #wordpress guuys said it was possible to use scp, but were not very forthcoming on hwere to find a clue on how to set that up. |
| 06:33.12 | tonytraductor | like I said, they're not very helpful over there. |
| 06:33.17 | tonytraductor | very full of themselves. |
| 06:33.18 | sobersabre | tonytraductor: is there a way to NOT deinstall and install ? |
| 06:33.20 | tonytraductor | and intolerant |
| 06:33.22 | SerajewelKS | tonytraductor: it should not need FTP access for any of that shit |
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| 06:33.25 | tonytraductor | yes, sobersaber |
| 06:33.31 | tonytraductor | what is the pkg in question? |
| 06:33.31 | SerajewelKS | tonytraductor: it should be able to write directly to the filesystem |
| 06:33.38 | sobersabre | libruby |
| 06:33.44 | tonytraductor | it seems dokuwiki does precisely that, then |
| 06:33.47 | SerajewelKS | aptitude reinstall ... |
| 06:33.53 | tonytraductor | but why wordpress can't I don't understand |
| 06:34.01 | SerajewelKS | wordpress can, from what i understand |
| 06:34.03 | sobersabre | SerajewelKS: I tried that, and it didn't touch the patched files. |
| 06:34.06 | tonytraductor | I think he needs to purge and rewrite some .configs or something |
| 06:34.15 | sobersabre | Actually I ran apt-get install --reinstall |
| 06:34.21 | tonytraductor | that's why I'm asking what package, so we can figure out what files he "corrupted" |
| 06:34.23 | sobersabre | lemme try aptitude.. |
| 06:34.33 | sobersabre | tonytraductor: libruby1.8 |
| 06:34.42 | sobersabre | I have already told you it's libruby. |
| 06:34.46 | tonytraductor | aha...that shouldn't have any .config files |
| 06:34.50 | tonytraductor | I didn't see that before |
| 06:34.55 | sobersabre | tonytraductor: no, not configuration file. |
| 06:35.01 | SerajewelKS | sobersabre: you need to reinstall with --force-confnew then |
| 06:35.08 | tonytraductor | yeah |
| 06:35.11 | SerajewelKS | sobersabre: but this is a dpkg option, not an apt option |
| 06:35.18 | tonytraductor | because even purge doesn't always clean stuff up, I find |
| 06:35.27 | sobersabre | SerajewelKS: isn't --force-confnew relating to CONF files ? |
| 06:35.30 | SerajewelKS | files created by the operation of a program are not deleted, of course |
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| 06:35.35 | sobersabre | (RTFMing man dpkg) |
| 06:35.37 | SerajewelKS | sobersabre: yes |
| 06:35.49 | sobersabre | SerajewelKS: my problem is NOT in configuration files. |
| 06:35.50 | SerajewelKS | sobersabre: config files aren't the only things that might be considered config files by the package |
| 06:36.00 | tonytraductor | the libruby is itself somehow corrupted? |
| 06:36.02 | tonytraductor | weird |
| 06:36.12 | SerajewelKS | sobersabre: if you tell us exactly which files are screwed up maybe we could help further |
| 06:36.32 | sobersabre | SerajewelKS: I "know a way out" |
| 06:36.34 | SerajewelKS | otherwise, "purge and reinstall" is about all we can say |
| 06:36.47 | SerajewelKS | aptitude purge libruby1.8; aptitude install libruby1.8 |
| 06:36.56 | SerajewelKS | if that doesn't fix your problem then you need to be more specific |
| 06:36.59 | tonytraductor | well that's what I was suggesting |
| 06:37.05 | SerajewelKS | i know |
| 06:37.13 | SerajewelKS | my point is only that without more information there's little we can do |
| 06:37.24 | tonytraductor | what error(s) are you seeing? |
| 06:37.51 | tonytraductor | and, out of curiosity, is this on plain vanilla 32bit x86 architecture? |
| 06:38.01 | tonytraductor | or something like AMD64? |
| 06:38.17 | SerajewelKS | if a modified file is screwing up libruby then either (a) it was a regular packaged file, in which case a reinstall would fix it, (b) it was a conffile, in which case purge and reinstall would fix it, or (c) it is a file generated by libruby but not mentioned in the package definition and hence is not considered part of the package at all |
| 06:38.33 | tonytraductor | su |
| 06:38.35 | SerajewelKS | if (c) is the case then rming the file /should/ be sufficient |
| 06:38.36 | tonytraductor | doh |
| 06:38.39 | tonytraductor | that doesn t work in here |
| 06:38.48 | tonytraductor | glad I didn't type in my password! |
| 06:39.49 | SerajewelKS | but yeah, about wordpress -- content uploads have always just worked for me |
| 06:40.00 | SerajewelKS | then again, i configured my filesystem permissions correctly. no ftp required. |
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| 06:40.14 | tonytraductor | you nkow, I was about to say...mnight be a permissions issue |
| 06:40.18 | SerajewelKS | if their software requires ftp to modify itself then their software is seriously fucked up |
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| 06:40.36 | tonytraductor | because when I imported all my posts from my other wp install (on godaddy servers) it DID download the images and whatnot |
| 06:41.00 | SerajewelKS | my guess is the person you were talking to is an idiot |
| 06:41.47 | tonytraductor | hmmm... |
| 06:42.07 | SerajewelKS | having said that, i usually don't do wordpress-style software with debian packages |
| 06:42.14 | tonytraductor | okay, everthing in /srv/www/.../wp-uploads*/* is chowned by www-data |
| 06:42.17 | tonytraductor | so that's good. |
| 06:42.32 | tonytraductor | so images should be fine. that's where they are |
| 06:42.41 | SerajewelKS | if i need to switch hosts, it's far easier to tar up the wordpress directory then try to merge a debian wordpress install into another distro |
| 06:42.46 | SerajewelKS | than* |
| 06:42.51 | tonytraductor | but it won't download install or update plugins from the dashboard. |
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| 06:43.25 | tonytraductor | I have to either cd into /usr/share/wordpress/wp-content/themes or whateer and wget what I want or somehow load it on the machin and mv it in there |
| 06:43.26 | SerajewelKS | i can't speak of that since i don't really use many plugins, just akismet |
| 06:43.45 | tonytraductor | so. perhaps the problem is that wp-content is NOT in /srv/www, but in /usr/share/wordpress |
| 06:43.50 | SerajewelKS | my guess is that you just have to give +w to www-data for the entire plugins directory |
| 06:43.52 | optraz | who can i ask about ssl? |
| 06:43.57 | optraz | any expert here? |
| 06:43.58 | tonytraductor | and only root has permission to write to /usr/share |
| 06:44.03 | tonytraductor | is this my problem, perhaps? |
| 06:44.04 | SerajewelKS | optraz: you can ask the entire channel |
| 06:44.17 | tonytraductor | I'm afraid I know nothing of ssl |
| 06:44.32 | SerajewelKS | optraz: if someone knows the answer they will respond |
| 06:44.51 | SerajewelKS | tonytraductor: perhaps. this is why i don't use debian packages for wordpress. |
| 06:44.57 | SerajewelKS | one of the reasons anyway |
| 06:45.05 | tonytraductor | only, look...I just uploaded a file, and I can see it in /srv/www/wp-uploads/./. but it can not be seen from the front end, in a browser |
| 06:45.16 | optraz | 24804:error:1409E0E5:SSL routines:SSL3_WRITE_BYTES:ssl handshake failure:s3_pkt.c:530: |
| 06:45.23 | optraz | that is the error i got, anyone can explain why is that |
| 06:45.26 | tonytraductor | that's what the people in #wordpress said, not to use OUR version |
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| 06:45.42 | tonytraductor | but, I always assume there's a reason when the debian project does something differently, and trust it |
| 06:45.48 | SerajewelKS | optraz: no, because you have not told us what program you were using, what you were trying to do, nor what happened leading up to that error |
| 06:45.51 | tonytraductor | or usually, anyway |
| 06:46.08 | tonytraductor | I only install newer apps when I really need them for my work, or something |
| 06:46.16 | SerajewelKS | tonytraductor: as a rule i don't use debian packages for web apps |
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| 06:46.26 | tonytraductor | like OmegaT. We have something like 1.8 which is 2 years old, and I have 2.2.0 installed by hand |
| 06:46.49 | tonytraductor | well, the debian blazeblogger and dokuwiki work great |
| 06:46.51 | optraz | program , openssl s_client, im trying to test to connect to the server. |
| 06:46.57 | optraz | SerajewelKS: ^^ |
| 06:47.16 | tonytraductor | although, I do remember having to speak directly with our dokuwiki maintainer in #dokuwiki when I got that up and running |
| 06:47.42 | tonytraductor | none of what I'm doing here/now is mission critical, or antying |
| 06:47.43 | SerajewelKS | optraz: try with the -no_ticket option |
| 06:47.45 | tonytraductor | just tryig to learn |
| 06:48.09 | optraz | SerajewelKS: unknown option -no_ticket |
| 06:48.10 | tonytraductor | ok, if you go herehttp://blinguas.homelinux.net/press/?attachment_id=1482 you see no image |
| 06:48.14 | SerajewelKS | nod, i have nothing against the debian packages or anything, i've just found it easier to admin |
| 06:48.20 | SerajewelKS | when i don't use debian packages for web apps |
| 06:48.26 | SerajewelKS | optraz: hmm |
| 06:48.29 | tonytraductor | but it IS in /srv/www/sitedomaine/wp-uploads/2011/02 |
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| 06:49.00 | SerajewelKS | optraz: what command-line did you use |
| 06:49.18 | SerajewelKS | tonytraductor: one exception is phpmyadmin |
| 06:49.19 | tonytraductor | so, if it IS in theer, and owned by www-data, why doesn't it show in the browser? |
| 06:49.25 | tonytraductor | I haven't tried that |
| 06:49.25 | optraz | SerajewelKS: openssl s_client -connect <url>:8443 -ssl3 -cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA -debug |
| 06:49.36 | SerajewelKS | tonytraductor: that's the only web app i've used the debian package for |
| 06:49.42 | tonytraductor | I set up the mysql db by cli...something else I've never done before |
| 06:50.04 | tonytraductor | I know nothing about databases or mysql, but I seem to have gotten that working |
| 06:50.07 | SerajewelKS | optraz: the manpage over here says that it supports -no_ticket |
| 06:50.51 | optraz | SerajewelKS: ok, but my openssl is not support that option. beside, why would i need that option? as the same version of openssl running on antoher server which execute the exact command give no error. |
| 06:51.21 | SerajewelKS | optraz: if it doesn't support that option then you must not be running debian, correct? |
| 06:51.40 | tonytraductor | yeah. I can upload files, but can't display them. weird. |
| 06:51.52 | optraz | SerajewelKS: no.. openssl is independant on the operating system.. |
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| 06:52.06 | SerajewelKS | optraz: so why are you asking in the debian support channel? |
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| 06:52.11 | optraz | do u want to say if it is not debian , i cant ask openssl question here? |
| 06:52.27 | SerajewelKS | optraz: not unless it's debian's openssl. we can't support every distro in existence. |
| 06:52.39 | SerajewelKS | optraz: you might try asking in #openssl |
| 06:52.44 | tonytraductor | the files are -rw-rw-r--, so they SHOULD conceivably, be readable/viewable, yes? |
| 06:53.07 | SerajewelKS | tonytraductor: assuming that no apache directory maps are in the way, sure |
| 06:53.20 | tonytraductor | and how would I determine if that were the case? |
| 06:53.36 | SerajewelKS | tonytraductor: by looking in your apache config, of course :) |
| 06:54.13 | tonytraductor | cd /etc/apache2 |
| 06:54.15 | tonytraductor | oops |
| 06:54.18 | SerajewelKS | tonytraductor: what url is failing? |
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| 06:54.55 | optraz | SerajewelKS: i have been in openssl for the past 2h |
| 06:54.56 | tonytraductor | any image uploaded to wp, like this one: http://blinguas.homelinux.net/wp-uploads/2011/02/baldwinwebservices.png |
| 06:54.59 | tonytraductor | n |
| 06:55.34 | optraz | and will operating system affect that error output? :D |
| 06:55.58 | SerajewelKS | optraz: no, but build-time options to openssl can change its behavior |
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| 06:56.13 | SerajewelKS | optraz: we have already established that your version does not support -no_ticket |
| 06:56.16 | tonytraductor | what's weird (among other things) is that they're not in just |
| 06:56.39 | SerajewelKS | tonytraductor: it doesn't look like wp-uploads is reachable from the web at all |
| 06:56.59 | optraz | SerajewelKS: ok, what is the exact problem ? |
| 06:57.01 | tonytraductor | /srv/www/wp-uploads/2011/02 but in /srv/www/wp-uploads/blinguas.homelinux.net/2011/02 |
| 06:57.03 | optraz | can you tell me what is the problem? |
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| 06:57.36 | SerajewelKS | optraz: all i can tell you with any certainty is that the client is not happy with the SSL handshake sent by the server |
| 06:58.12 | SerajewelKS | tonytraductor: i don't even have wp-uploads on my server |
| 06:58.19 | tonytraductor | drwxr-x--- 4 root www-data 4096 Feb 24 21:45 wp-uploads |
| 06:58.27 | tonytraductor | permissions whacky |
| 06:58.42 | SerajewelKS | tonytraductor: it sounds like apache isn't mapping the path correctly |
| 06:58.55 | SerajewelKS | tonytraductor: as i'm not familiar with debian-packaged wordpress i don't really have any insight here, sorry |
| 06:59.03 | tonytraductor | and the dir bliguas.homelinux.net inside of wp-uploads appears to be a link to /usr/share/wordpress |
| 06:59.11 | SerajewelKS | tonytraductor: all i can say is maybe turn on apache debug output and see where it's looking for the file |
| 06:59.19 | tonytraductor | yeah, but I think the problem is wp not apache |
| 06:59.23 | tonytraductor | maybe I'm wrong |
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| 06:59.28 | optraz | SerajewelKS: tell me, why when i execute the same command on another server give no error? |
| 06:59.43 | tonytraductor | I can't find anything in apache2.conf at all mentioning it |
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| 06:59.50 | SerajewelKS | optraz: maybe that other server's openssl is a different version or was compiled with different options |
| 06:59.57 | SerajewelKS | tonytraductor: what about in conf.d |
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| 07:01.15 | optraz | SerajewelKS: no, both version is the same. as one in production system and anohter in testing environment |
| 07:01.47 | SerajewelKS | optraz: then perhaps it is a configuration issue in one environment. unfortunately i'm not an openssl expert, i just know a few things about it. |
| 07:01.47 | tonytraductor | nothing in conf.d looks related to wordpress |
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| 07:01.52 | tonytraductor | there's a dokuwiki conf |
| 07:01.59 | SerajewelKS | optraz: enough to know that this error could be caused by a bunch of different problems |
| 07:02.10 | tonytraductor | well...it's 2am |
| 07:02.11 | tonytraductor | I |
| 07:02.15 | SerajewelKS | tonytraductor: well, turn on some more apache logging and see where it's looking for the file |
| 07:02.19 | tonytraductor | 'll try again tomorrow |
| 07:02.30 | tonytraductor | I have logging on. |
| 07:02.34 | SerajewelKS | kk |
| 07:02.36 | SerajewelKS | good luck |
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| 07:04.30 | optraz | SerajewelKS: configuration issue?! |
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| 07:09.26 | tonytraductor | You know what really pissed me off? |
| 07:09.33 | tonytraductor | I read the wordpress documentation like 10 times |
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| 07:09.40 | tonytraductor | and I went to their channel still with questions. |
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| 07:09.55 | tonytraductor | and they just tried to tell me to go read the documentation. |
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| 07:10.15 | tonytraductor | I mean, telling someone to read the documentation and google stuff, if they have NOT done those things, sure, make sense. |
| 07:10.22 | manitou | hi ! is anyone here with 07D1:3C0A D-Link System DWA-140 RangeBooster N Adapter(rev.B2) [Ralink RT2870] and CAN confirme that work in N mode 300mbps ?!?! |
| 07:10.34 | tonytraductor | but I made it clear, I had spent several hours googling and reading their docs, and still had questions. |
| 07:10.50 | tonytraductor | they have no concept in #wordpress of how to help people |
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| 07:10.57 | tonytraductor | and their documentation sucks |
| 07:11.40 | tonytraductor | I know how to ask questions. I don't just go flying into an IRC chan without having done my homework and ask stupid random questions. |
| 07:12.02 | tonytraductor | I might not be a real hacker yet, but I'm not exactly a clueless newbie, either. |
| 07:12.05 | banga | I am running squeeze now and build postgresql-9.0 from the sid src. I put the deb-src for sid in my sources list, just want to confirm how I will check for security updates? I'm guessing they won't work when I do an apt-get upgrade |
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| 07:12.25 | tonytraductor | I might not know everything, but I do know some stuff, and I know how to look and find answers. |
| 07:12.43 | tonytraductor | I come and ask when the answers I find confuse me or don't answer my questions. |
| 07:12.51 | tonytraductor | I never see that in herre. |
| 07:13.03 | tonytraductor | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:13.36 | tonytraductor | Some channels are teh awesome, including #debian, #tcl, #python |
| 07:13.49 | tonytraductor | but #wordpress and also #bash sometimes are just jerks |
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| 07:14.19 | tonytraductor | know what I mean? |
| 07:14.34 | tonytraductor | I mean, if I read the docs, and I'm still confused and I come with questions, don't tell me to read the docs |
| 07:14.47 | tonytraductor | help me fill in the gaps so i can understand the docs. |
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| 07:15.05 | tonytraductor | meh..I'm crankly and my bed is calling me. |
| 07:15.09 | MrFrood | use ksh and then you don't have to frequent #bash |
| 07:15.20 | simonrvn | banga: subscribe to debian-security-announce for a start; if you have a good reason to use 9, go ahead, but be prepared to be doing some work |
| 07:15.22 | tonytraductor | oh, but then I have to learn ksh |
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| 07:15.30 | simonrvn | !dsa |
| 07:15.30 | dpkg | i guess dsa is [dsa] Debian Security Announcement, see http://www.debian.org/security/ and http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ ; <RSS> feeds at http://www.debian.org/security/dsa (titles only) and http://www.debian.org/security/dsa-long (summaries). Ask me about <dsa lookup DSA-nnnn> for information about the packages affected. See also <tracker of doom>, <debsecan>, <dsa team>. |
| 07:15.31 | tonytraductor | better, just use tcl |
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| 07:15.49 | manitou | mojn Morten_ ;) |
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| 07:17.15 | Morten_ | heya |
| 07:17.16 | Morten_ | =) |
| 07:17.50 | banga | simonrvn: so its a manual process to re-compile pg 9 everytime theres a security update? |
| 07:18.49 | banga | considering I built the dependencies for it, can I just grab the pg 9.0 deb package from sid and install it, without compiling? |
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| 07:21.23 | simonrvn | banga: uh, only if the lib version match exactly, otherwise no. |
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| 07:22.58 | banga | so the sid deb package dependencies will link to packages I dont have in squeeze, but the source compile works? |
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| 07:22.59 | tonytraductor | I got it to work! |
| 07:23.09 | malfy | got what to work tonytraductor ? |
| 07:23.23 | tonytraductor | I just did a ln -s /srv/www/wp-uploads.. in /var/www/wp-uploads |
| 07:23.37 | tonytraductor | see http://blinguas.homelinux.net/wp-uploads/2011/02/baldwinwebservices.png |
| 07:23.45 | tonytraductor | so that's working |
| 07:24.17 | tonytraductor | now just have to figure out why/how uploading/updating plugins, etc. is not working/can be resolved |
| 07:24.21 | tonytraductor | tomorrow |
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| 07:25.42 | tonytraductor | with 3.1 it isn't wp-uploads, it's wp-content/uploads |
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| 07:28.14 | simonrvn | banga: um, that's why you need to recompile things... because they may be incompatible |
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| 07:29.22 | banga | simonrvn: thanks, i just wanted to clarify |
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| 07:32.07 | banga | simonrvn: when i do 'apt-get --compile source postgresql-9.0', does it store that version somewhere, the same way it does when you apt-get a normal package? Im asking to see if I can setup an automated script to do a check of the source version I got, to the version currently in sid |
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| 07:36.46 | simonrvn | you need to have it installed to store info. `apt-get -b source' fyi |
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| 07:41.22 | tonytraductor | I just have to keep downloading stuff and installing it by hand, I suppose |
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| 07:47.19 | banga | simonrvn: I'm going to read up on package building. Just to clarify that I'm on the right path though, can I compile the src and turn into a deb package for distribution to other cloned servers? |
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| 07:48.02 | simonrvn | well if you've already built it, and those are same arch, you can just cp it over |
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| 07:49.04 | Lewoco | I plugged in a flash reader and something automagically mounted it and opened a thunar which was great. I then disconnected it and reconnected it, but automagic mounting is not happening anymore =( |
| 07:49.10 | Lewoco | How do I remount the flash? |
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| 07:56.03 | banga | is it possible to make a deb package from it for easier distribution? what im thinking is to compile the new source on a standby server, create a deb package, then install on the live server to mitigate the downtime. |
| 07:56.11 | simonrvn | !nmg |
| 07:56.12 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
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| 07:56.20 | simonrvn | banga: ^^^ |
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| 07:57.01 | banga | simonrvn: cool thanks |
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| 08:01.48 | banga | simonrvn: considering all the servers are exactly the same, you think itll be easier just copying the modified files over using rsync or something, than building a deb package? |
| 08:02.35 | simonrvn | no, build the packages first, then copy those over. less files to deal with, and easy removal |
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| 08:12.07 | banga | simonrvn: so build the src on the standby then rsync the changes in the lib dirs over to the other servers? |
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| 08:14.31 | WormFood | # init 6 | bash: /sbin/init: Input/output error <-- things are not looking good |
| 08:14.50 | simonrvn | banga: no. you're either not getting it, or you're not paying atention. i'm not repeating myself. scroll up. |
| 08:14.52 | cantido | Your disk is dead? |
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| 08:16.42 | banga | simonrvn: geez man. If you not interested in 'helping' people, you probably shouldnt pipe up. I obviously don't get it, hence why im trying to clarify it, and your answers arent the most articulate our there. |
| 08:17.34 | simonrvn | banga: i don't see how "build package, install, copy to other servers" is hard to understand. |
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| 08:18.41 | cantido | mmm where do GPIO controls usually live in the fs? /sys? |
| 08:18.44 | WormFood | cantido, I'm sure it is a hardware problem with the hard drive. |
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| 08:19.31 | cantido | WormFood: I guess the kernel booted and then couldnt load the real init? |
| 08:19.37 | simonrvn | WormFood: that's firstly an fs error, usually caused by hardware problems ;) |
| 08:19.49 | banga | simonrvn: cause in my limited knowledge of debian package management, building (im guessing compiling) is different to creating a deb package (by compiling it and created the deb package) that can be simply installed on another server |
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| 08:20.18 | WormFood | no, it is a running system...my router...I logged in to check why I couldn't view a page, and couldn't execute any real commands |
| 08:20.25 | WormFood | so I went to reboot, and can't even do that |
| 08:20.34 | cantido | banga: as long as you build against the right libs and dont turn on options that won't work on the other machines then you dont have an issue(tm) |
| 08:20.35 | simonrvn | banga: you told us here that you built .debs. .debs are packages, they represent the "real" form of the package. |
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| 08:21.10 | WormFood | so, I guess I'll yank out the hard drive, and drop it in another machine, and test it....because that machine is headless, and I don't want to go through the hassle of connecting a monitor to it, because it is not easy to get to. |
| 08:21.11 | simonrvn | s/he said they're identical (or something) *scrolls up* |
| 08:21.24 | simonrvn | "...exactly the same..." |
| 08:21.33 | cantido | WormFood:mmm I used to get that sometimes a SATA disk would be offlined and that would happen |
| 08:22.02 | WormFood | cantido, this is a pata drive....never had that happen before like what you describe |
| 08:22.17 | cantido | yeah, I dont think rsyncing "the libs" would be a great idea ;) |
| 08:22.24 | banga | simonrvn: i said I did a 'apt-get build-dep' then a 'apt-get --compile source postgresql-9.0'.. so I man apt-get and --compile is the same as -b (build).. so I'm thinking that the --compile, compiles it directly into the system, not that it creates a .deb then install it |
| 08:22.32 | simonrvn | banga: i'm sorry if i lost it... been doing thhat too much lately. not enough sleep, and just coming out of a cold. |
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| 08:23.02 | banga | simonrvn: no prob man. Im really just trying to get my head around it all. |
| 08:23.04 | cantido | WormFood: mmm I've seen that happen with crappy VIA chipsets and PATA disks.. i.e. i/o error, broked environment. Weird that its trying to load init on a running system though |
| 08:23.07 | simonrvn | banga: no, they do the same, i.e. build some debs. don't read more into it than there is. |
| 08:23.19 | banga | simonrvn: ok cool |
| 08:23.51 | simonrvn | banga: source package is those .diff .dsc orig.tar.* thingies |
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| 08:24.41 | simonrvn | (sometimes a debian.tar.*) |
| 08:25.05 | cantido | WormFood: hell, I've broken a solaris box like that by pasting ldd output which overwrote system libraries with symlinks or something.. lots of "bus error", no shell ;) |
| 08:25.22 | simonrvn | weee |
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| 08:25.33 | WormFood | cantido, *I* issued the init command |
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| 08:25.39 | cantido | ah |
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| 08:25.58 | banga | simonrvn: gotcha, thanks. I'll keep reading now and do some testing. |
| 08:25.59 | mocca | when i do apt-get upgrade, why is that some pakages have been kept back? |
| 08:26.01 | WormFood | I wanted to reboot |
| 08:26.12 | WormFood | init 6 == reboot |
| 08:26.14 | simonrvn | banga: have fun |
| 08:26.25 | simonrvn | !kept back |
| 08:26.26 | dpkg | i guess kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "full-upgrade" and old packages need to be removed as part of the upgrade. To investigate, "aptitude -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 Ask me about <full-upgrade>. |
| 08:26.32 | WormFood | in fact, the shutdown command just calls init |
| 08:26.46 | cantido | thought ctrl-alt-del would make the kernel reboot too |
| 08:26.52 | simonrvn | really? it really does? :P |
| 08:26.52 | cantido | or use that sysrq thing |
| 08:27.00 | WormFood | perhaps you missed the part where I said it is headless |
| 08:27.07 | simonrvn | magic sysreq |
| 08:27.13 | cantido | plug a keyboard in |
| 08:27.22 | cantido | does it not have a rest button? |
| 08:27.48 | WormFood | actually, it isn't ctrl-alt-delete that makes it reboot, it is inittab, that capture CAD, and issues a reboot command....or on my machines, it does something different |
| 08:27.56 | cantido | oh and real servers have "system controllers" that can do reboots.. woo |
| 08:28.02 | simonrvn | rest button? is that some new "tell the computer to go into hibernate mode"? |
| 08:28.04 | mocca | simonrvn: thank you. so i just need to wait. |
| 08:28.14 | WormFood | he means reset |
| 08:28.23 | simonrvn | mocca: yep |
| 08:28.25 | cantido | simonrvn: hah, acpi + power button = rest button ;) |
| 08:28.35 | simonrvn | WormFood: i know ;) |
| 08:28.43 | simonrvn | cantido: ;) |
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| 08:29.02 | WormFood | and yes, it has a reset button, but this is a linux machine, not a windows machine....I prefer to do an orderly shutdown when possible, and use the reset button as a last resort |
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| 08:29.15 | cantido | If I load the push buttons module for this machine the kernel panic. nice |
| 08:29.19 | simonrvn | join the club |
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| 08:29.31 | WormFood | ok...reboot time for the router...back in a bit |
| 08:29.47 | cantido | WormFood: yeah, but if you can't actually load anything to shut it down WTF can you do |
| 08:29.51 | cantido | oh, he's gone |
| 08:30.11 | cantido | wonders why a windows machine is different.. |
| 08:30.27 | cantido | I think any OS that has disk caches etc should be shut down correctly.. heh |
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| 08:30.39 | simonrvn | dude needs a sense of humour |
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| 08:30.49 | simonrvn | of course |
| 08:31.09 | cantido | OpenBSD etc force everything down to disk by defauly IIRC.. |
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| 08:31.35 | cantido | s/defauly/default/ |
| 08:31.50 | simonrvn | nah, they have journalling versions of stuff, at least fbsd did |
| 08:32.00 | simonrvn | s,did,does, |
| 08:32.12 | cantido | openbsd can have soft updates or something enabled, but by default everything goes to disk I think |
| 08:32.13 | simonrvn | (did, i used it in the past) |
| 08:32.22 | simonrvn | *nods* |
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| 08:32.42 | cantido | still if you can load anything to actually issue a shut down you are pretty much fooked |
| 08:33.29 | cantido | s/can/can't/ |
| 08:33.55 | simonrvn | yep. |
| 08:34.03 | tonytraductor | sed 's/can\'t/can/g' $brain |
| 08:34.12 | simonrvn | when you get that i/o error you can't ls never mind reboot |
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| 08:34.35 | cantido | tonytraductor: meh |
| 08:35.05 | simonrvn | tonytraductor: doesn't matter on irc |
| 08:35.13 | tonytraductor | sed s'/veg/bacon/g' $plate ? better? |
| 08:35.38 | ssuominen^work | Can someone check if this is valid network/interfaces? http://pastebin.com/WTGfwRFd Mostly at the "auto" line, I added both eth0 and eth1 to the line because /etc/init.d/networking restart didn't bring up them |
| 08:35.43 | simonrvn | s,bacon,moose, |
| 08:36.14 | ssuominen^work | And now i'm basically afraid to do networking restart remotely since I don't have physical access anymore :P |
| 08:36.51 | simonrvn | um, allow-hotplug won't bring them up. that's on purpose. |
| 08:36.52 | s3phir0th115 | I'm so thrilled. My Squeeze server is now a router instead of this WRT54GS2 garbage |
| 08:37.02 | s3phir0th115 | Performance is drastically better already |
| 08:37.28 | ssuominen^work | simonrvn: but will "auto lo eth0 eth1" now cause /etc/init.d/networking restart to bring them up? |
| 08:37.30 | simonrvn | and i don't think you can chain interfaces on one auto line |
| 08:37.38 | ssuominen^work | oh |
| 08:37.42 | cantido | s3phir0th115: the faster processor, more ram etc tend to help there.. |
| 08:37.59 | s3phir0th115 | Yes, very much so |
| 08:38.01 | simonrvn | oh, you can. never mind. |
| 08:38.08 | simonrvn | ssuominen^work: ^^ |
| 08:38.19 | ssuominen^work | simonrvn: yeah. just checked "man interfaces" and the example there allows chaining |
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| 08:38.20 | cantido | mmm allow-hotplug should bring them up if the cable is detected no? |
| 08:38.23 | s3phir0th115 | Don't ruin the moment. XD |
| 08:38.54 | simonrvn | ssuominen^work: as for the allow-hotplug hit pgdown once |
| 08:38.58 | simonrvn | or twice |
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| 08:39.12 | simonrvn | actually, no, it's right there |
| 08:39.49 | ssuominen^work | so I guess the config looks OK now... |
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| 08:40.59 | cantido | s3phir0th115: your new server probably has loads of TCP offloading shizzle too ;) |
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| 08:41.54 | simonrvn | ssuominen^work: remove the allow-hotplug stuff. it's not needed. |
| 08:42.46 | simonrvn | wonders why people almost always use eth0 as the internal-facing iface |
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| 08:43.33 | cantido | mm I always use eth0 as the "wan".. |
| 08:43.42 | cantido | not that it matters a huge amount |
| 08:43.52 | s3phir0th115 | I'm so glad torrenting activity won't overload it now though |
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| 08:44.04 | s3phir0th115 | Just a little bit of it would easily overload the old setup |
| 08:44.28 | ssuominen^work | simonrvn: removed. in my case, this was intranet-only server for a long time and just today I've added second interface for outside network... so it's just 0... 1... |
| 08:44.34 | simonrvn | it doesn't. but i very often see eth0 as the external iface in examples |
| 08:44.43 | cantido | s3phir0th115: I have found that most of those little ARM/MIPS based routers cant keep up with a decent connection.. they arent really designed for that purpose though |
| 08:44.49 | simonrvn | ssuominen^work: ok |
| 08:44.56 | simonrvn | that makes sense |
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| 08:45.46 | s3phir0th115 | Indeed. My guess is they're made for most average households with only web browsing at a given time |
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| 08:45.58 | s3phir0th115 | Maybe with other stuff |
| 08:46.03 | simonrvn | no, that's why more serious routers have beefier arm or ppc procs |
| 08:46.05 | s3phir0th115 | But nothing with a bunch of connections |
| 08:46.17 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 08:46.26 | cantido | what are cisco routers thesedays? |
| 08:46.32 | cantido | They were m68k IIRC |
| 08:46.43 | s3phir0th115 | I'll need to check actually |
| 08:46.48 | simonrvn | by now they're probaly x86 *shudder* |
| 08:46.52 | s3phir0th115 | Worked on one not even 6 hours ago |
| 08:46.55 | lgp171188 | Hi, I know how to setup sudo in debian to work the same way it does by default in a distro like ubuntu. But Gnome applications by default use gksu to launch privileged applications, can I change that to use gksudo? I tried update-alternatives but there weren't options. |
| 08:47.06 | simonrvn | probably* |
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| 08:47.22 | s3phir0th115 | I've been curious if there are custom firmwares for those higher end routers |
| 08:47.34 | s3phir0th115 | Cause I'm honestly not a huge fan of the IOS |
| 08:47.40 | cantido | simonrvn: Just guessing, but I reckon a top end, can do routing at wirespeed, router is going to be using a CPU + some ASIC or FPGA for offloading most of the work |
| 08:47.42 | simonrvn | Roll Your Own |
| 08:47.55 | simonrvn | cantido: yes |
| 08:48.04 | s3phir0th115 | The temptation would be there if they weren't so damned expensive |
| 08:48.08 | simonrvn | you'd have to |
| 08:48.18 | cantido | I would also guess that a decentish x86 box would be fast enough for most people |
| 08:48.41 | simonrvn | 386 with 64 MB |
| 08:49.01 | cantido | can debian boot on a 386 now ;) |
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| 08:49.18 | simonrvn | no, but it can boot anything the kernel can |
| 08:49.42 | simonrvn | seriously, i think it can, but minimum RAM is like 16 or 32 |
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| 08:49.55 | simonrvn | for d-i |
| 08:50.03 | ssuominen^work | 24? |
| 08:50.15 | s3phir0th115 | In other words, ask your friends for a junker and you'll probably get something like a P2 or P3 at least, and likely free |
| 08:50.16 | simonrvn | though the packages are built with 486 minimum |
| 08:50.25 | simonrvn | so probably not |
| 08:50.47 | ssuominen^work | such as libc |
| 08:50.52 | s3phir0th115 | Lots of people love giving away old computers |
| 08:50.53 | cantido | simonrvn: I think there are issues just getting a recent kernel to boot on a real 386 |
| 08:51.13 | simonrvn | other arches like sparc, only sparc64. ppc both 32 and 64, but 64 isn't an official port any more |
| 08:51.16 | cantido | is glad is connect is a cat5 on the wall that hands out public ips to anything connected to it |
| 08:51.22 | simonrvn | i would think so |
| 08:51.37 | cantido | sparc64 was just as 64bit kernel IIRC.. |
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| 08:52.33 | simonrvn | has 2 ppcs and an x86 that boot debian |
| 08:52.46 | cantido | is on sh4 |
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| 08:53.00 | cantido | which has like 3 active users! yay |
| 08:53.06 | simonrvn | woot |
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| 08:53.46 | cantido | I have a switch inline with my CF cards power so that I can reset the card during boot.. hardcore |
| 08:54.26 | simonrvn | :) |
| 08:54.57 | cantido | If I can work out how to access the GPIO I'll add some stuff to my initramfs to reset the CF automagically |
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| 08:56.38 | finland | hi, I am in LXDE. I need infinite scrollback but I think LXTerminal does not support it. Any suggestions? |
| 08:57.07 | cantido | I'm not sure if you can do it.. but dont set it to "infinite" |
| 08:57.14 | cantido | you'll end up with massive scrollback files |
| 08:59.02 | finland | well, I am running an experiment in a live cd, and I need the massive scrollback :-) |
| 08:59.25 | cantido | redirect to a file.. |
| 08:59.45 | simonrvn | | tee logfile |
| 09:00.01 | kenifanying | hi all, I can connect to mail.google.com use lynx or w3m in squeeze. but iceweasel and chromium-browser can't establish this connection. any suggestions? |
| 09:00.24 | finland | sudo bash ./myfile.sh | tee logfile |
| 09:00.27 | finland | is that correct? |
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| 09:08.26 | Bushmills | kenifanying: "any suggestion..." - yes: describe how the problem manifests |
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| 09:09.01 | Bushmills | otherwise the suggestions will have to be "determine what is wrong and fix it" |
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| 09:14.07 | Zero_Dogg | Hi, where did the "alternate desktop environments" option from the netinstall CD go in Squeeze? Can I achieve the same with some boot parameter? |
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| 09:24.09 | cornair | hi, |
| 09:24.15 | cornair | I got compile errors since 2 or 3 days, I cannot find the real problem: make bzImage or other projects does not compile anymore and gives me everytime the same error: |
| 09:24.23 | cornair | /usr/include/bits/local_lim.h:39:26: error: linux/limits.h: no such file or directory |
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| 09:24.48 | kenifanying | Bushmills,I can connect to mail.google.com with lynx , w3m and epiphany, but can't load mail.google.com using iceweasel or chromium-browser. could you give me some help? I don't know what should i do to fix this problem. |
| 09:24.49 | cornair | does anyboby has a clue or hint? am on unstable , no problems over month |
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| 09:25.17 | cantido | cornair: compiling what? |
| 09:25.42 | cornair | bzImage and jhbuild (gnome3 related) |
| 09:25.52 | cantido | bzImage? |
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| 09:26.15 | cornair | bzImage , the vanilla kernel from git. |
| 09:26.16 | Bushmills | kenifanying: no, i can't, because "can't load" or "can't establish connection" doesn't give any clue what could be wrong |
| 09:26.48 | cantido | cornair: and because its in git A: it should compile and B: we should know how to make it work? |
| 09:26.53 | Bushmills | besides, "can't load" and "can't establish connection" appear to describe two different kinds of problem. |
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| 09:27.47 | tdn | I have a Lenny server with a USB Logitech E3500 webcam. I would like to have a cron job take a picture at some interval. What should I use for this? apt-cache search webcam gives me several web cam tools. But it is hard to figure out which are suited for this task. |
| 09:27.48 | kenifanying | Bushmills, when i use chromium-browser, it just say time out. |
| 09:27.56 | cornair | ok, the question is more, why is the package libc6-dev searching this file which is not found anymore |
| 09:28.09 | Bushmills | turn off proxy |
| 09:28.19 | Bushmills | use of proxy, that is |
| 09:29.16 | cantido | cornair: I can't see how libc6-dev is searching for that file.. more that some piece of kernel source includes it and you dont have it |
| 09:29.41 | simonrvn | sounds like a kernel headers problem |
| 09:29.55 | simonrvn | i.e., not having any |
| 09:30.04 | cantido | simonrvn: if he has the kernel source he has the headers I guess |
| 09:30.16 | simonrvn | orthat linux-headers-dev or whatever it's called |
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| 09:30.49 | cornair | uh, ok, I did a check and changed to the stablew kernel release 2.6.37.1 - the same error. when I log in as dev and try to build gome3 packages , I got the same error, regardless which project I want to compile - everytime its searching this file -since 3 or 4 days now. |
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| 09:31.10 | simonrvn | !b-e |
| 09:31.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
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| 09:31.40 | cantido | if you cant work out why stuff isnt compiling maybe you should just use binary packages.. |
| 09:31.48 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 09:32.02 | simonrvn | and not use sid |
| 09:32.04 | cantido | .37 is in unstable |
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| 09:33.40 | cornair | wow, I just have this packages installed, cause I am omiling daily since about a year or so, without problem. I used aptitude NOW, to check again build-essentials and it wants to remove some some dev packages and 1 package not updated yet |
| 09:34.06 | cantido | why the hell are your compiling daily? |
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| 09:36.25 | cornair | gnome3 - it has to many error yet. and kernels I compile more than once a week. + other stuff even xD |
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| 09:36.55 | cantido | sighs |
| 09:37.19 | simonrvn | wanders off to go ZZzzz.. |
| 09:37.37 | Bushmills | cornair: probably because packages exist in updated versions without all their dependencies having been updated or added at the the same time |
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| 09:37.54 | themill | !gentoosmite cornair |
| 09:37.54 | dpkg | spends 8 weeks recompiling cornair, and when it's all done, cornair runs 8% slower than previously |
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| 09:40.01 | cantido | I can't see running linux-next and not being able to debug toolchain/compile issues as being a "Good Idea (TM)" |
| 09:40.14 | cornair | dpkg so compiling seams seamless |
| 09:40.14 | dpkg | cornair: i don't know |
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| 10:03.44 | Keal | I am pretty sure jews did wtc. But in other news, sup [switch]? |
| 10:03.55 | Keal | lol |
| 10:04.01 | Keal | :> |
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| 10:04.44 | Keal | Is '[]' supposed to be your Aryan internet gang rag? |
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| 10:06.14 | dimir | LULz |
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| 10:06.24 | [switch] | Keal: nothing that interesting I am afraid ... "switch" was already registered |
| 10:07.26 | [switch] | And that puts and end to what could otherwise been an interesting conversation :) |
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| 10:09.09 | ophiel | that was weird |
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| 10:09.26 | ophiel | lol |
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| 10:14.22 | Rikr | hello |
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| 10:15.40 | davidcoe | I'm looking for a way to see what my bandwidth is at any moment. I've tried conky, but i can't get the output in kbps. Is there a widget or something simple that could sit in a panel for this? |
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| 10:17.26 | [switch] | I guess my nick has a known meaning where you guys are from, but I don't follow. |
| 10:17.59 | mahmul | davidcoe: for conky, down/uploadspeedf doesn't do what you want? |
| 10:18.07 | alexxio | hi, i cant understand why my webcam works with gstreamer-properties, but i can't take a picture from console with streamer: movei writer initialisazion failed.. :( any hint? |
| 10:18.29 | mahmul | davidcoe: err upspeedf |
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| 10:19.11 | davidcoe | mahmul, it is exactly what I want, but I can't force the output to be in kbps rather than KBps. I have a modem and want to make sure that it always is working at 128kbps rather than reading 14.x KBps. Do you know of a way in conky I can multiply a variable by 8? |
| 10:19.27 | davidcoe | also, I'd rather have a widget or something that floats rather than on the desktop |
| 10:20.03 | themill | [switch]: just ignore the spammer. He's not worth expending any mental activity on. |
| 10:20.22 | Rikr | wat's the difference between the debian kernel bpo and normal? |
| 10:21.01 | mahmul | davidcoe: you could do some shell trickery in conky but that's ugly; often times your desktop environment will offer a bandwidth widget, but i can't say if yours will give you the control over units you want |
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| 10:22.58 | davidcoe | mahmul, where might I look for such a widget? I'm on Ubuntu 10.10 btw. I've had no luck with shell trickery in conky. It would be so much easier if they allowed nested variables. ${exec expr 8 \* ${downspeed ppp0}} but no such luck |
| 10:23.10 | davidcoe | exec eval expr rather |
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| 10:25.27 | mahmul | davidcoe: it looks like you should use execp if you want to interpret variables before they hit the shell |
| 10:25.38 | Bushmills | davidcoe: gkrellm is desktop environment agnostic |
| 10:25.54 | mahmul | there is also gkrellm |
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| 10:27.23 | Bushmills | but i suppose #ubuntu knows what they prefer for your distribution |
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| 10:29.08 | swulf--_ | I'd like to configure /dev/loop0 on boot (as early as posible, so it can be automounted in fstab), what's the "best" debian-style way to do this? |
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| 10:30.24 | vtts | swulf--_, what should be inside the loop0? |
| 10:32.30 | vtts | it is possible to automagicaly create it with mount -o loop /path/to/file /mount/point (and also add an appropriate entry to fstab) |
| 10:33.13 | vtts | but it depends on what's inside |
| 10:33.26 | Prolac | what could be stopping me from executing "init runlevel" as normal user, U have changed permission on that file in /sbin but it still gives me "must be superuser"? |
| 10:33.32 | Prolac | *I |
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| 10:35.24 | Bushmills | Prolac: that's not a matter of permissions alone - the init program tests whether it runs as root, as it can effect its changes only as root |
| 10:36.17 | Prolac | so I can't do nothing to be able to run it as normal user? |
| 10:36.26 | vtts | you can use sudo |
| 10:36.32 | Bushmills | you could set up sudo to run telinit |
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| 10:38.58 | Prolac | alright, thanks for tip |
| 10:39.00 | Bushmills | or create a group "runlevelers", add yourself to it, set init ownership to root.runlevelers, allow group and owner execution only, and set it suid |
| 10:41.08 | Prolac | nice, thats the thing I was lookig for, thanks Bushmills |
| 10:41.59 | Bushmills | sudo is the cleaner solution, especially if you upgrade init eventually |
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| 10:57.31 | Prolac | here is one more noob question, when I switch to console view I get "You have a mail" message, but I didn't setup any mail accounts yet |
| 10:57.51 | Prolac | so what could that be and how to read it? |
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| 10:58.36 | petemc | install bsd-mailx and type mail |
| 10:58.41 | lord_rob | mail (it's a system message, usually displayed when you're root) |
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| 11:06.18 | cantido | Prolac: type mail |
| 11:06.39 | Prolac | yeah, figured it already, thanks |
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| 11:07.28 | vampi-the-frog | hi guys i'd like to run two mysql instances, with two separate data dirs. how can i go about doing this, in the most easily maintainable way? |
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| 11:12.19 | sep | vampi-the-frog, virtualization is quite populat nowadays tho. |
| 11:12.32 | vampi-the-frog | T_T |
| 11:12.40 | vampi-the-frog | sep: i'd have to create a virtual HDD |
| 11:12.47 | vampi-the-frog | which would take up the few gigs i have left |
| 11:12.49 | cantido | vampi-the-frog: LXC |
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| 11:13.23 | sep | a complete chroot will take a lot as well |
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| 11:13.46 | cantido | sep: a chroot wont seperate the networking etc.. |
| 11:14.04 | sep | vampi-the-frog, http://www.ducea.com/2009/01/19/running-multiple-instances-of-mysql-on-the-same-machine/ |
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| 11:14.40 | sep | cantido, my point was that if he does not have space for a virtual harddrive, he might not have space for a compleate chroot either. |
| 11:15.10 | cantido | if he doesnt have the 200mb or so for a chroot/lxc container he doesnt have disk space for another mysql instance |
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| 11:15.32 | cantido | and he should consider sorting out his disk space issue first ;) |
| 11:15.43 | b_jonas | Help, the devices from my /dev are gone! I have neither /dev/sda nor /dev/disk |
| 11:15.55 | vampi-the-frog | that article doesn't say how i can start the two instances at startup |
| 11:16.00 | b_jonas | I think my udevd didn't start |
| 11:16.04 | b_jonas | It must be that |
| 11:16.06 | vampi-the-frog | perhaps i can copy /etc/init.d/mysql and edit that? |
| 11:16.06 | babilen | vampi-the-frog: why do you want multiple instances? |
| 11:16.16 | vampi-the-frog | because i have some innodb files |
| 11:16.21 | sep | vampi-the-frog, you'd have to make a new init.d entry |
| 11:16.24 | vampi-the-frog | that i copy from backups over to my computer |
| 11:16.28 | sep | exactly |
| 11:16.29 | b_jonas | well, it did start, but I think it doesn't work |
| 11:16.40 | karla | b_jonas, 'pgrep udevd' ?? |
| 11:16.46 | b_jonas | yes, it's running |
| 11:16.47 | cantido | vampi-the-frog: you would need to go through it can change where it looks for its config etc |
| 11:16.47 | vampi-the-frog | and those backups don't have the data that i use for some other databases |
| 11:16.54 | b_jonas | it must be another something I must compile in my custom kernel |
| 11:17.10 | cantido | b_jonas: any reason you have done that? |
| 11:17.30 | b_jonas | let me try with the debian kernel |
| 11:17.35 | vampi-the-frog | so when i copy the backups, the other databases get messed up |
| 11:17.39 | b_jonas | cantido: done what? using a custom kernel? |
| 11:17.42 | vampi-the-frog | it's the ibdata files |
| 11:17.45 | cantido | b_jonas: yes |
| 11:17.50 | babilen | vampi-the-frog: Why don't your backups contain the data your need for these "other" databases and what are the "other" databases? Why don't you just run one instance of mysql (use postgres!! fwiw) with multiple databases? |
| 11:18.08 | b_jonas | I'd like to start using ext4 and use the improvements about ext4 introduced around Linux 2.6.24, most importantly delayed allocation |
| 11:18.09 | vampi-the-frog | babilen: the backups are from elsewhere and i don't have control over them |
| 11:18.22 | cantido | b_jonas: debian has 2.6.32 in stable iirc |
| 11:18.28 | cantido | b_jonas: .37 is in sid |
| 11:18.51 | babilen | vampi-the-frog: do you get them as mysql dump files? |
| 11:19.16 | vampi-the-frog | no, they are raw files from /var/lib/mysql |
| 11:19.21 | vampi-the-frog | so they replace mine |
| 11:19.42 | cantido | vampi-the-frog: create a chroot or something.. dont try to run two instances of mysql without knowing what you're doing.. |
| 11:19.54 | cantido | vampi-the-frog: you'll end up breaking your existing data |
| 11:20.04 | vampi-the-frog | i would use a separate data dir, mate |
| 11:20.08 | babilen | vampi-the-frog: You might want to talk to the data provider to provide dumps instead. I agree with cantido and would actually recommend running either a virtual machine or a chroot. |
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| 11:20.41 | karla | b_jonas, I'm curious, can you 'mount -t devtmpfs none /dev' ?? |
| 11:20.42 | cantido | vampi-the-frog: copying the init script and crossing your fingers wont do that |
| 11:21.37 | babilen | and you probably want different configuration in /etc as well -- that is bound to become a mess and you should just cleanly seperate those servers. Given that virtualisation or chroots are no voodoo these days, just use that. |
| 11:21.41 | cantido | go down to the shops and get a small usb flash drive.. unless your DB is massive you only need like 200mb to debootstrap.. |
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| 11:22.15 | cantido | plain old chroot wont seperate the two things completely though. LXC is in the kernel and easy enough to setup |
| 11:22.17 | b_jonas | yep, it all does work with the debian kernel |
| 11:22.21 | vampi-the-frog | hm |
| 11:22.22 | pozic | How can I tell shotwell not to display the image it imports? |
| 11:22.23 | babilen | vampi-the-frog: But I would really work on the root of the problem which is that your data provider should give you proper mysql dumps |
| 11:22.32 | pozic | That only slows down the machine. |
| 11:22.42 | b_jonas | but with my custom kernel I'm using normally, I'm getting a warning at boot saying '.udev already exists in /dev' or some such |
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| 11:22.54 | cantido | b_jonas: why do you need a custom kernel |
| 11:23.03 | cantido | b_jonas: the stock stable kernel has ext4 |
| 11:23.09 | vampi-the-frog | virtualization would take too much time in this case, it's not really too important |
| 11:23.12 | b_jonas | cantido: I just said above. I'd like delayed allocation |
| 11:23.26 | cantido | b_jonas: you said above that those features came in .24 |
| 11:23.33 | cantido | b_jonas: the stable kernel is newer than that |
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| 11:23.44 | b_jonas | cantido: they come in around 2.6.34 |
| 11:23.47 | vampi-the-frog | so i'll figure something out in time, but thanks |
| 11:23.50 | b_jonas | .24 must have been a mistake |
| 11:23.55 | b_jonas | and indeed, squeeze comes with 2.6.32 |
| 11:23.59 | babilen | b_jonas: Just install a newer kernel then, you don't need a custom one for that. |
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| 11:24.35 | cantido | or just install testing .. |
| 11:24.45 | babilen | Not a good idea IMHO |
| 11:24.52 | b_jonas | I'm not going to install all of testing, that's for sure |
| 11:24.59 | cantido | I guess udev in stable will soon break with newer kernels |
| 11:25.10 | babilen | b_jonas: You can install the kernel from testing though. (you need a newer linux-base for that too) |
| 11:25.16 | babilen | !tell b_jonas -about kernel compile |
| 11:25.18 | b_jonas | babilen: that might make sense... |
| 11:25.19 | babilen | !tell b_jonas -about kernel make-kpkg |
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| 11:26.29 | babilen | b_jonas: I think grabbing the kernel from wheezy/sid is the easiest option though. I wouldn't recommend to upgrade to wheezy just now, because it is still in great flux. I don't have first-hand experience and it might be OK *today*, but that doesn't mean that it won't break badly soon. |
| 11:26.52 | cantido | working fine here :p |
| 11:27.19 | babilen | cantido: Good. I still don't recommend it. |
| 11:27.21 | WormFood | is anyone using qmail on debian? |
| 11:27.33 | babilen | WormFood: Probably, look at popcon. |
| 11:27.38 | cantido | If I was going to mess around with new kernels for fun I would just install testing |
| 11:28.23 | WormFood | thanks babilen, but that isn't what I'm looking for |
| 11:28.33 | cantido | !anyone |
| 11:28.34 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 11:29.36 | WormFood | that is even less helpful cantido, thanks anyways |
| 11:30.03 | cantido | WormFood: Ask a real question |
| 11:30.25 | cantido | I'm sure people do use qmail on debian, you could type "qmail debian" into google and find that out for yourself |
| 11:30.52 | WormFood | I'm looking for people's experiences with the way debian handles qmail |
| 11:30.52 | babilen | WormFood: Do *you* use qmail? |
| 11:31.05 | WormFood | I've been using qmail for over a decade |
| 11:31.16 | petemc | time for a change |
| 11:31.19 | babilen | I am a loyal exim user. |
| 11:31.33 | babilen | !qmail |
| 11:31.34 | cantido | Ok so your question is: "How does debian integrate qmail? Is it any good?" |
| 11:31.34 | dpkg | [qmail] a Mail Transfer Agent by D.J. Bernstein. It used to be <non-free>, now public domain, but no-one in Debian really wants to take on the responsibility of trying to maintain it (see Debian bug #457318). For documentation, see http://www.qmail.org/ and http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html . To install, ask me about <qmail debs> or <qmail equivs>. http://cr.yp.to/qmail.html #qmail on irc.freenode.net. See also <mta>. |
| 11:31.59 | babilen | WormFood: Read the referenced bugs and websites ^^^^ |
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| 11:32.14 | cantido | <3 exim |
| 11:32.18 | WormFood | I've been using qmail since 1999, and I really like it...light, secure, and fast....just not the easiest thing to setup if you don't know how it works (of course, other systems are even harder to setup) |
| 11:32.33 | cantido | human readable logfiles? OMG! |
| 11:32.46 | cantido | how do you measure "secure"? |
| 11:33.11 | WormFood | no inherent security flaws with it's design or programming |
| 11:33.26 | petemc | its design is flawed |
| 11:33.38 | petemc | it cant reject mail for invalid users at smtp time |
| 11:33.43 | WormFood | mine does |
| 11:33.48 | petemc | couldnt, anyway, that might have changed |
| 11:33.58 | WormFood | of course it has changed, a long time ago |
| 11:34.05 | petemc | djb didnt change it |
| 11:34.09 | WormFood | right |
| 11:34.23 | babilen | WormFood: Please read the ITP and the other links. |
| 11:34.26 | WormFood | but that was done that way for a reason |
| 11:34.37 | petemc | what the fuck am i doing arguing about qmail, i dont give a shit if people want to use broken mtas |
| 11:34.47 | WormFood | how is it broken? |
| 11:34.56 | cantido | WormFood: is exim "insecure"? |
| 11:34.58 | WormFood | you still haven't said anything valid about it yet |
| 11:35.23 | cantido | exim being the default MTA, which is all nicely integrated |
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| 11:36.04 | WormFood | cantido, you haven't noticed that people tend to stick with what they know? I'm not on a task to learn how to setup exim to do what I want....I looked at it....too much digging to find the info I want....I know just how to do what I want on qmail, quick 'n easy |
| 11:36.05 | b_jonas | the funny thing is, /dev/sr0 still exists |
| 11:36.11 | engla | So is debian staying away qmail for emotional & historical reasons only? |
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| 11:36.19 | babilen | WormFood: Please read the ITP -- this has been discussed at great length. If you want to install it ask dpkg about qmail debs and qmail equivs and get support in #qmail. (What else can *we* do?) |
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| 11:36.25 | WormFood | b_jonas, what is so funny about that? |
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| 11:36.48 | WormFood | engla, must be |
| 11:36.49 | lopt | hello, im looking for some web application for managing evidence of various user accounts, is something like that in debian repositories? |
| 11:36.52 | lopt | a" |
| 11:37.09 | babilen | lopt: "evidence" ? |
| 11:37.12 | b_jonas | WormFood: why would it exist when /dev/sda doesn't? |
| 11:37.21 | cantido | b_jonas: for some reason this board doesnt create /dev/sda etc on boot.. I think it has something to do with my initramfs setup. But I cant be arsed to fix it |
| 11:37.33 | WormFood | b_jonas, maybe it isn't a hard drive |
| 11:37.44 | b_jonas | I'm quite sure I do have a hard drive |
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| 11:38.21 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:38.34 | lopt | babilen: i have system with many users, which accesses my web applications, ftp and so on ... and id like to have some kind of database where can i put this kind of entries ... it should have web interface |
| 11:38.46 | b_jonas | WormFood: yes |
| 11:39.16 | cantido | b_jonas: the scsi cdrom module is probably probed after the initramfs has exited.. |
| 11:39.18 | WormFood | lopt, so basically you want to log what your users do? |
| 11:39.21 | babilen | WormFood: I doubt somebody in Debian wants to package qmail, but you *could* file a RFP or ask the DDs if you provide some compelling reasons for why it should be packaged now. (i.e. what has changed since the original ITP) |
| 11:39.33 | cantido | b_jonas: you say it works with the stock kernel.. compare the configs |
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| 11:39.41 | b_jonas | cantido: I don't even use an initramfs, because it's a custom kernel |
| 11:39.45 | WormFood | babilen, I wasn't asking anyone to make a package for me. I'm quite capable of doing that on my own, thanks anyways. |
| 11:39.47 | babilen | b_jonas: No, just use the stock kernel :) |
| 11:39.49 | b_jonas | cantido: yes, that's probably a good strategy |
| 11:40.01 | cantido | b_jonas: oh, you should always use a initramfs |
| 11:40.06 | lopt | WormFood: on, i want to have database of users and services they use, i will manage adding of users and services |
| 11:40.48 | engla | babilen: from november 2010 in the itp: "No reaction or response to mails at all from ftpmasters within more than |
| 11:40.50 | WormFood | lopt, that info depends on the application's ability to log, and as far as putting that all in one place, that is up to you to do that |
| 11:40.52 | engla | eight months. Obviously the packages are deliberately ignored. |
| 11:40.54 | b_jonas | cantido: why should I? the initramfs makes sense because it lets you have access to all the modules needed for bootup at bootup time, but I don't need that if I use a custom kernel with modules for my hardware compiled in |
| 11:40.58 | babilen | WormFood: Look, I am merely pointing out different ways to handle this situation and your options in there. If you are capable of packaging qmail you *might* want to maintain it in Debian. |
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| 11:41.10 | lopt | i need web application, where i can manage list of users and services they uses ... |
| 11:41.15 | b_jonas | babilen: that's a quite reasonable suggestion, but you probably won't convince me of that about this machine. |
| 11:41.29 | cantido | b_jonas: I believe the problem on my system is that my initramfs (inside the kernel) brings up the drive and udev doesnt catch those events hence doesnt create device nodes |
| 11:41.40 | b_jonas | I'm using stock debian kernel on another machine, but I'm trying to experiment more on this home desktop machine. |
| 11:41.42 | WormFood | babilen, I have my own patches to apply to qmail...but I see some patches there (as part of the debian package), that may or may not do what I want |
| 11:41.53 | claint | lopt: have you tried webmin? |
| 11:42.14 | lopt | claint: i dont need webmin |
| 11:42.19 | cantido | b_jonas: you should use an initramfs because thats how its meant to be done now ;) |
| 11:42.20 | WormFood | why does it need to be a web interface? |
| 11:42.22 | babilen | engla: That might be. I am not involved in that decision, but Debian is a do-ocracy and things that get done (and are of a certain standard) are typically not ignored. The question is: Does qmail (and its packaging) meet the standards for it to be included in Debian right now. If it does → try to get it included, if not: forget about it. |
| 11:42.33 | ted11 | what app you use to configure wifi? |
| 11:42.35 | lopt | WormFood: it will be used by many other peoples |
| 11:42.56 | WormFood | ted11, there is a network-manager that can do that for you |
| 11:43.09 | engla | babilen: I don't disagree with that |
| 11:43.28 | WormFood | why would so many people be involved with that? don't make sense, but whatever |
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| 11:44.02 | lopt | WormFood: i need some tool for managing evidence about user accounts(for ftp, web and so on) |
| 11:44.20 | ted11 | the icon on systray says wireless disabled. I have two wifi card |
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| 11:44.50 | WormFood | "managing evidence"?...hhhmmm |
| 11:45.18 | cantido | lopt: define evidence |
| 11:45.33 | cantido | lopt: do you actually mean "details" or "data" or "stats" |
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| 11:45.52 | lopt | i need a list where can i put users and services they uses |
| 11:45.53 | WormFood | or "logs" |
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| 11:46.19 | lopt | when someone ask me for creating ftp account, i will create it for him and write it into this list |
| 11:46.20 | cantido | lopt: services they use? what services do you have? |
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| 11:46.34 | WormFood | you can do that on a spreadsheet, or with basic html...<tr><td>user one<td>ftp<td>web<td>whatever |
| 11:46.41 | cantido | lopt: do you want a control panel or just somewhere to make notes? |
| 11:46.52 | cantido | for notes there's this amazing stuff called paper.. |
| 11:46.57 | lopt | i know |
| 11:47.06 | ted11 | my bios says both of my wifi nics are enabled but when i boot up wifi nic is disabled |
| 11:47.08 | lopt | but i need something more inteligent than wiki or paper |
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| 11:47.31 | WormFood | ted11, did you check the wireless switch, to make sure it is turned on? |
| 11:47.53 | WormFood | thinks lopt does not know exactly what he wants. |
| 11:47.54 | cantido | lopt: I'm not sure what you want.. what data are you looking to keep? account details, usernames and passwords? |
| 11:47.59 | ted11 | one card is pcmcia Linksys |
| 11:48.11 | lopt | cantido: yes |
| 11:48.13 | ted11 | WormFood: what switch? |
| 11:48.19 | cantido | lopt: does it need to be secured? |
| 11:48.30 | lopt | cantido: i will take care about security |
| 11:48.35 | lopt | cantido: so, no |
| 11:48.53 | WormFood | ted11, I'm assuming you're using a laptop, and most modern laptops have a wireless switch to turn off the wireless (actually, the switch just tells the software to turn off the radio) |
| 11:48.55 | cantido | lopt: so, why is a wiki or a file with lines of text no good? |
| 11:49.00 | ted11 | yes laptop |
| 11:49.46 | lopt | cantido: im not only user which will be managing entries in that, so i need support of groups, permissions and so on |
| 11:49.47 | ted11 | i turned it off for my default Intel, does that also turn off or my pcmcia card too? |
| 11:49.56 | cantido | lopt: wiki's can do that |
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| 11:50.02 | cantido | lopt: dokuwiki can do that |
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| 11:50.38 | cantido | doesnt like the idea of a massive plain text password floating around |
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| 11:51.25 | WormFood | ted11, check out drupal for designing your own web site, to handle stuff like that...you may even be able to do it with just base install, or maybe you'll have to write your own modules to do it for you |
| 11:51.40 | WormFood | oops, sorry, that was for lopt , not ted11 |
| 11:53.08 | aguitel | !topic |
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| 11:55.33 | b_jonas | karla: that might be the problem: for some reason I don't have devtmpfs enabled in my kernel it seems. |
| 11:56.36 | Erbureth | Hi, guys |
| 11:57.09 | b_jonas | meanwhile, where's the kernel option for bind mounts? or is that always enabled? |
| 11:57.16 | b_jonas | I can't find it in the kernel config |
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| 11:57.44 | Erbureth | I have a problem with my HP Compaq 6830s laptop, I cannot use both wifi and bluetooth simultaneously... |
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| 11:57.54 | ted11 | i switched wifi on but i see no difference. linux doesn't recognize it because not plug n play? |
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| 11:58.12 | karla | b_jonas, were you able to locate the config switch for it? I'm not even sure .32 had it |
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| 11:58.42 | Erbureth | The problem has been here for quite some time since rfkill was introduced in Debian kernel |
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| 11:59.10 | ted11 | Can NetworkManager enable wifi nic? |
| 11:59.10 | Erbureth | i suspect it might have something to do with it |
| 11:59.10 | karla | b_jonas, actually, look for CONFIG_DEVTMPFS=y/n |
| 11:59.21 | b_jonas | karla: yes, I could find that switch |
| 11:59.34 | b_jonas | and my custom kernel is 2.6.37 and I think it existed much earlier |
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| 12:00.12 | karla | b_jonas, ah, i must have not been keeping up with the conversation |
| 12:00.19 | Erbureth | The laptop has one switch to turn bt and wifi ond and off, but somehow it cannot enable both at the same time |
| 12:00.49 | Erbureth | do you know, where the problem could be? |
| 12:01.11 | b_jonas | and it seems that the debian squeeze kernel (2.6.32) has CONFIG_DEVTMPFS=y |
| 12:01.33 | ted11 | how do i launch NetworkManager? |
| 12:01.38 | b_jonas | am compiling kernel now and will see after whether it all works |
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| 12:02.29 | cantido | is devtmpfs needed? |
| 12:02.45 | cantido | if you dont have a initrams you dont have a early userland that will use it.. |
| 12:02.59 | b_jonas | cantido: I'm not sure if it's needed |
| 12:03.13 | b_jonas | maybe udevd assumes it's there and that's why it doesn't work? |
| 12:03.42 | b_jonas | I don't really know, but as the debian kernel enables it, I think it can't hurt if I enable it, even if there would be a better solution |
| 12:04.30 | cantido | b_jonas: is there any reason you dont build a debian style kernel.. if you take the bits in testing you should be able to build a .37 package |
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| 12:06.11 | b_jonas | cantido: no real reason, except that I'm used to this. I've been using a vanilla kernel for ages, much before I started using debian, and it served me well. I even used kernels with extra patches over vanilla. |
| 12:06.29 | cantido | mmm I have the exact problem on this board.. |
| 12:06.39 | b_jonas | That's on my home desktop that is. On other machines, I usually just use stock debian kernels, I don't compile anything. |
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| 12:06.46 | cantido | I just create the modes once its booted.. it doesnt boot often enough to matter |
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| 12:07.41 | b_jonas | okay, let me reboot and see if it works |
| 12:07.46 | b_jonas | cantido: what kernel are you using? |
| 12:08.38 | cantido | 2.6.35.10.. but this isnt x86 |
| 12:09.21 | cantido | theres no kernel in debian for this machine and I need to add some wait time before bringing up the pata interface so that I can reset the CF card and so that it gets detected |
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| 12:11.26 | b_jonas | cantido: for the latter, I think there might be some option that the scripts in initramfs interpret. |
| 12:11.59 | b_jonas | a boot option that specifies how many seconds the intiramfs sleeps before trying to mount the real root fs |
| 12:12.10 | cantido | b_jonas: thats not the problem |
| 12:12.34 | cantido | b_jonas: the CF card needs to be reset between the bootloader otherwise libata cant reset it.. |
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| 12:13.09 | cantido | b_jonas: and the pata driver cant be loaded when the cf gets reset otherwise it throws an interupt and the machine panics |
| 12:13.33 | b_jonas | meanwhile, just recompiling the kernel with devtmpfs support didn't help, but only because the init scripts didn't mount a devtmpfs -- if I mount one by hand then I have sda* in it |
| 12:13.38 | b_jonas | I'll fix the init scritps |
| 12:13.51 | techknowlust | i'm having trouble getting suspend to work on my 1st gen macbook. |
| 12:13.52 | cantido | b_jonas: http://www.imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=3499 -- I have an inline switch to reset the cf card ;) |
| 12:14.15 | techknowlust | at 1st I thought it was due to me not having a swap, but a swapfile doesn't help |
| 12:14.37 | techknowlust | the hibernate package that the wiki recommends also does not work |
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| 12:15.45 | b_jonas | hmm, wait |
| 12:16.17 | cantido | maybe its to do with the partitions being probed before udev has loaded.. thats what I guessed |
| 12:16.58 | b_jonas | cantido: would you even like to change how that system works currently, and want the help of the channel for it, or just telling this for our curiosity? |
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| 12:17.19 | cantido | b_jonas: I think its actually the same problem as yours ;) |
| 12:17.28 | b_jonas | dives in /etc/udev |
| 12:17.44 | b_jonas | cantido: are you using debian's initramfs? |
| 12:17.45 | cantido | i.e. you dont get the right events to make udev create those nodes |
| 12:17.55 | cantido | and I guess that magic is in debians initramfs |
| 12:18.00 | cantido | which neither of us have |
| 12:18.08 | b_jonas | quite possible, but I don't really think so |
| 12:18.20 | b_jonas | I think the init scripts of debian are written well enough for this |
| 12:18.25 | b_jonas | they work without an initramfs |
| 12:18.28 | b_jonas | robust |
| 12:18.46 | b_jonas | well, I also hate those init scripts for other reasons of course |
| 12:18.56 | cantido | well, if you read the kernel docs booting without a early userland is considered "old" |
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| 12:19.20 | b_jonas | like, when you disable a service in /etc/defaults, the init scripts often not only wouldn't start it but also wouldn't stop that service if you do /etc/init.d/foo stop |
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| 12:19.52 | b_jonas | cantido: doesn't the root fs count as early enough? |
| 12:20.26 | b_jonas | I mean, even if I used an initrd, the hard disk would be recognized before the initramfs is mounted I think, because the hard disk module is compiled in the kernel |
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| 12:21.43 | b_jonas | maybe I don't understand it, but it seems to me that /etc/init.d/udev specifically umounts a devtmpfs and mounts a tmpfs to /dev |
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| 12:24.51 | cantido | b_jonas: sorry, switch crashed |
| 12:25.15 | cantido | b_jonas: my guess is there is something in the initramfs that makes udev work correctly.. |
| 12:26.44 | b_jonas | let me look |
| 12:26.45 | cantido | or maybe the nodes that are in /dev/ before switching roots is kept, hence /dev/sda etc exist.. |
| 12:26.54 | b_jonas | the initramfs mounts a devtmpfs |
| 12:26.58 | b_jonas | early |
| 12:27.05 | aguitel | how install kernel 2.6.37 from sid? |
| 12:27.12 | b_jonas | but then I still think the udev remounts it to a tmpfs |
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| 12:28.10 | b_jonas | the initrd doesn't have udevd, right? |
| 12:28.16 | b_jonas | wait, yes it does |
| 12:28.35 | thewanderer1 | I always thought that's how UUID root works in the first place |
| 12:28.38 | cantido | b_jonas: I'm not sure, but I think the nodes created in the early userland are carried over |
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| 12:29.09 | b_jonas | but how does that work if /dev is remounted to a tmpfs? |
| 12:29.18 | b_jonas | I don't get it\ |
| 12:29.36 | thewanderer1 | maybe there are 2 udev's involved? |
| 12:29.44 | b_jonas | thewanderer1: can't the kernel also handle uuid root without an initrd these days? |
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| 12:30.00 | thewanderer1 | b_jonas: perhaps... never tried it actually |
| 12:30.23 | thewanderer1 | but since there's an in-kernel HTTP server now, I can believe anything :P |
| 12:30.27 | cantido | b_jonas: if you look at the config options for ram filesystems is says "if you dont enable this you will get the *old* boot code blah" |
| 12:31.00 | cantido | thewanderer1: you can embedded an fs inside the kernel image.. |
| 12:31.10 | thewanderer1 | yes, I know this |
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| 12:41.44 | b_jonas | okay, I'll break this system now |
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| 12:44.19 | alexandrius | Hello everybody :) |
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| 12:44.31 | alexandrius | I need some help |
| 12:44.43 | abrotman | Hello Dr Neal |
| 12:45.06 | abrotman | erm .. Nick :) |
| 12:45.27 | b_jonas | I've changed the init script to mount a devtmpfs. This will likely break something, but it does appear to work now. |
| 12:45.44 | alexandrius | Guys |
| 12:45.49 | b_jonas | yep, it did break at least one thing: |
| 12:46.04 | b_jonas | there's no /dev/cdrom symlink now |
| 12:46.05 | alexandrius | Yesterday i switched to Debian Wheezy (1st debian distro for me) |
| 12:46.19 | SlayerXP | debian wheezy? |
| 12:46.19 | abrotman | why not install squeeze? |
| 12:46.20 | b_jonas | but at least I have /dev/sda and still have /dev/sr0 |
| 12:46.21 | thewanderer1 | alexandrius: aww, an unfortunate choice at this time |
| 12:46.26 | abrotman | SlayerXP: currently testing |
| 12:46.51 | alexandrius | Yes it's testing but there are newest software |
| 12:47.17 | thewanderer1 | !tell alexandrius about testing |
| 12:47.18 | abrotman | it's brkoen |
| 12:47.20 | abrotman | broken |
| 12:47.24 | alexandrius | :O |
| 12:47.27 | alexandrius | Why? |
| 12:47.34 | nsadmin | why not? |
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| 12:47.42 | b_jonas | I don't even really need udevd I think |
| 12:47.44 | alexandrius | I don't get everything works great |
| 12:48.00 | nsadmin | 2 runon sentences |
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| 12:48.05 | nsadmin | not parsable |
| 12:48.09 | abrotman | alexandrius: if it worked great, you wouldn't be here with a problem .. |
| 12:48.15 | alexandrius | :D |
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| 12:48.20 | alexandrius | Just a second |
| 12:48.23 | alexandrius | let me say |
| 12:48.29 | abrotman | lay off the enter key |
| 12:48.32 | alexandrius | I just don't know how to install nvidia driver |
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| 12:48.46 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:48.49 | alexandrius | But the easy way |
| 12:48.55 | alexandrius | I'm from Ubuntu here |
| 12:49.08 | nsadmin | what's ubuntu? it's debian here |
| 12:49.24 | alexandrius | Yes i know but i switched from ubuntu |
| 12:49.26 | abrotman | nsadmin: he's using ubuntu so he can IRC here to ask about instaling the nvidia driver on debian |
| 12:49.41 | alexandrius | I'm using debian now |
| 12:49.43 | nsadmin | so no net either? |
| 12:50.28 | b_jonas | cantido, karla, babilen: thanks for all the help |
| 12:50.32 | alexandrius | @nsadmin what do you mean, i didn't get it |
| 12:50.43 | bolt-work | alexandrius: testing is not expected to be anywhere close to stable for quite some time... |
| 12:50.50 | cantido | b_jonas: did you get it working? |
| 12:50.51 | babilen | b_jonas: Ah, no problem. But I probably don't deserve it as much as some of the others. |
| 12:51.01 | b_jonas | cantido: seemingly working by making it mount devtmpfs |
| 12:51.06 | b_jonas | but I don't know what else it broke |
| 12:51.06 | alexandrius | @bolt-work it works, everything works |
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| 12:51.15 | bolt-work | alexandrius: for now... |
| 12:51.15 | cantido | b_jonas: mm maybe I'll have a go at that |
| 12:51.22 | alexandrius | :D |
| 12:51.26 | karla | b_jonas, good luck ;) |
| 12:51.27 | jelly | ,versions nvidia-glx |
| 12:51.28 | judd | Package nvidia-glx on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; wheezy/non-free: 195.36.31-6; sid/non-free: 195.36.31-7; experimental/non-free: 260.19.21-1 |
| 12:51.52 | alexandrius | So if i install nvidia-glx everything would work? |
| 12:51.56 | b_jonas | does the debian initramfs do an fsck on the root filesystem before it mounts it? |
| 12:52.08 | jelly | alexandrius: read what the bot tells you, /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 12:52.31 | alexandrius | @jelly what does it mean? |
| 12:52.33 | thewanderer1 | b_jonas: see /usr/share/initramfs-tools/ for definite answers |
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| 12:52.51 | b_jonas | thewanderer1: I did look at the scripts, and it doesn't seem like it does one |
| 12:53.01 | jelly | alexandrius: type that in the writing line in mibbit. mibbit will open a new tab with a response from "dpkg", the local irc bot |
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| 12:53.07 | thewanderer1 | b_jonas: you can grep for fsck... |
| 12:53.10 | cantido | b_jonas: when do you mount devtmps? |
| 12:53.20 | nsadmin | the real deal is this... right now you show yourself as someone who wants to ask before trying and researching yourself... that's part one... part two is, you're thinking about running something where you're likely going to be the first to find a problem, and then you would come to ask if it's known, that would be a "no"... there's at least two ways you turn out to be difficult to support |
| 12:53.25 | jelly | alexandrius: you should get pointers to further instructions |
| 12:53.25 | b_jonas | cantido: from /etc/init.d/udev |
| 12:53.37 | b_jonas | cantido: where it would mount tmpfs instead |
| 12:53.57 | b_jonas | hmm, wait, I don't get this |
| 12:54.07 | b_jonas | ah, right |
| 12:54.23 | b_jonas | it is mounted fine, only mount doesn't always tell the truth because it was mounted with -n |
| 12:54.37 | cantido | devtmpfs should have those nodes though.. its a early udev replacement isnt it? |
| 12:54.48 | b_jonas | yes, that's why it all works |
| 12:54.59 | b_jonas | it does have the sda* nodes |
| 12:55.04 | alexandrius | @jelly So i'll do what bot said, and everything will be ok? |
| 12:55.24 | alexandrius | @jelly the problem is that i tried many different ways and all of them crashed the system |
| 12:55.30 | cantido | b_jonas: does udev create nodes for you? if you plug in a new device for example |
| 12:55.46 | jelly | alexandrius: everything _should_ be ok. The procedures are best tested against the stable release. |
| 12:56.09 | alexandrius | @jelly is there any need to switch to init 3? |
| 12:56.14 | alexandrius | @jelly is there any need to switch to "init 3"? |
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| 12:56.21 | jelly | alexandrius: those many different ways might have left behind cruft which impedes progress |
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| 12:57.04 | jelly | alexandrius: Debian does not use runlevels 3-5 for anything useful by default. |
| 12:57.19 | alexandrius | @jelly ah ok |
| 12:57.34 | jelly | alexandrius: /msg dpkg runlevels |
| 12:57.46 | alexandrius | @jelly sorry for disturbing but what about EnvyNG? Will it work too? |
| 12:58.00 | jelly | I have no experience with that. |
| 12:58.09 | cantido | b_jonas: CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED_V2 seems to be an issue for newer version of udev.. do you have that enabled? |
| 12:58.43 | alexandrius | @jelly Many thanks |
| 12:59.04 | jelly | alexandrius: I don't even know what it is, but it sounds like an alternative approach to installing nonfree drivers. If that's true, you'll have to ask EnvyNG people -- Debian doesn't support it. |
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| 12:59.29 | b_jonas | cantido: yes, udev creates /dev/sdb* when I plug in a pendrive, but I'm not sure if devtmpfs wouldn't also create it alone |
| 12:59.42 | b_jonas | udev does notice it's plugged in, according to the logs |
| 13:00.16 | cantido | b_jonas: on my system it seems to be that option that is causing the problem.. going to take 2 hours to build a kernel to check though |
| 13:00.34 | b_jonas | cantido: yes, I do have CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED_V2=y |
| 13:00.43 | amphi | le0n2s: did you get all that stuff working> |
| 13:00.44 | amphi | ? |
| 13:00.44 | cantido | b_jonas: thats it I think |
| 13:00.54 | b_jonas | hmm, I guess I can try that |
| 13:00.56 | cantido | b_jonas: -- version. Do not use it on recent distributions. |
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| 13:06.14 | b_jonas | rebooting to that now, wait two minutes |
| 13:06.49 | cantido | taking a while to build here.. does seem promising though |
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| 13:08.23 | alexandrius | @jelly BTW, do i have to kill X and gdm to install? |
| 13:09.09 | abrotman | this isn't twitter |
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| 13:09.36 | b_jonas | cantido: yep, that indeed solves it: |
| 13:09.45 | cantido | b_jonas: groovy :) |
| 13:09.50 | b_jonas | I reverted the change so now tmpdevfs isn't used |
| 13:09.55 | alexandrius | @abrotman why are you so rude? |
| 13:10.03 | b_jonas | um, devtmpfs is not used I mean |
| 13:10.06 | abrotman | that wasn't rude |
| 13:10.18 | b_jonas | and cleared this kernel option and it works now, great |
| 13:10.19 | cantido | b_jonas: hopefully it'll fix my machine too.. so I get my swap etc mounted on boot heh |
| 13:10.22 | b_jonas | thanks for the help, cantido |
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| 13:11.04 | alexandrius_ | Just answer me this please, do i have to install nvidia drivers without X? |
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| 13:11.15 | b_jonas | as this is now the second problem after upgrading to squeeze for which the solution is fixing the kernel config, I should probably start kernel config from the config of the debian kernel next time |
| 13:11.32 | cantido | alexandrius_: you need Xorg installed to install the nvidia glx.. |
| 13:11.45 | b_jonas | of course I'll have to change lots of options in it, but it'd still probably help in these two cases |
| 13:12.04 | cantido | b_jonas: I think the problem there would be that it wouldn't have enough built into the kernel to mount your root |
| 13:12.07 | alexandrius_ | @cantido it's installed by default isn't it? |
| 13:12.14 | cantido | alexandrius_: xorg? |
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| 13:12.25 | cantido | alexandrius_: if you select the desktop task yes,.. |
| 13:12.34 | jelly | alexandrius_: probably. I don't actually have an nvidia and have only installed it on my boss' machine on stable. |
| 13:12.57 | cantido | you can install the kernel driver part without Xorg I think.. not that it would be much use |
| 13:12.57 | b_jonas | cantido: of course I'd still change lots of options. it already takes some iterations for me to make the kernel config work. |
| 13:13.05 | alexandrius_ | @jelly and the way to switch is the ctrl+alt+F1 |
| 13:13.17 | cantido | b_jonas: I was sure it was the initramfs |
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| 13:13.31 | jelly | alexandrius_: that doesn't stop X, just switches to the console. Stop gdm. |
| 13:13.43 | cantido | swears about initramfs stuff being a massive pain in the arse |
| 13:13.47 | b_jonas | and just making it mount the root isn't hard, you only need the harddisk controller driver and the file system driver in the kernel. |
| 13:13.49 | alexandrius_ | @jelly thanks :) |
| 13:14.01 | b_jonas | cantido: I can see the point of why you sometimes need initramfs |
| 13:14.13 | b_jonas | you can't really not use it if you want to have a system that works on any hardware |
| 13:14.30 | b_jonas | but still, I do like not using it |
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| 13:14.52 | cantido | using uuids to locate disks is nice though |
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| 13:15.02 | b_jonas | it was a bit easier in the time of boot floppies: there's only one floppy disk driver so you don't need lots of modules |
| 13:15.06 | cantido | now that disks a more removable than ever |
| 13:15.16 | b_jonas | cantido: did you confirm that it's in the kernel? I might have misremembered. |
| 13:15.33 | jelly | alexandrius_: what abrotman tried to say is, IRC uses "nickname: some reply" or "nickname, some reply" as a common way of addressing other people, instead of the @nickname form |
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| 13:16.35 | b_jonas | by the way, is there an easy way to query the volume labels and initrds of all partitions, that is, from device name to uuid, not the other way? |
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| 13:16.51 | cantido | b_jonas: the kernel has this blkid stuff now.. looks like a lot of reading |
| 13:17.01 | asherawelan | Is there a chennel for debain server? |
| 13:17.10 | b_jonas | yep, http://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges says "init: add support for root devices specified by partition UUID" |
| 13:17.15 | b_jonas | for 2.6.37 |
| 13:17.44 | cantido | still, with a ramfs and busybox you have a ton of flexibility |
| 13:18.29 | b_jonas | cantido: yep. I think one could even make a bootloader from linux and kexec. only you'd have a bootstrap problem on how to load it. |
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| 13:19.13 | cantido | b_jonas: for the machine I'm playing with there is a kernel with a initramfs + kexec setup that allows you to select the kernel to boot using clicks on a button |
| 13:19.23 | cantido | b_jonas: the built in loader only supports one kernel.. |
| 13:19.39 | asherawelan | I have a wireless network with 30 users, I want to make sure that each user receives a minimum bandwidth - if I use tc qdisc will i need to create a class for each user and then a filter for each user for each class? I'm unsure that if I put all users in one class that they are all using the same bandwidth allowance. |
| 13:19.52 | b_jonas | cantido: wow |
| 13:19.54 | cantido | seems a bit crazy to boot a kernel and then totally replace it though ;) |
| 13:20.20 | b_jonas | cantido: is that because the sane boot loaders (grub, syslinux, grub4dos, loadlin) don't work on that architecture? |
| 13:20.22 | jelly | cantido: sometimes it can take months between booting a kernel and then replacing it |
| 13:20.45 | thewanderer1 | cantido: does kexec in Debian support booting a different kernel version than is currently on, though? |
| 13:20.46 | cantido | b_jonas: the offical bootloader is some weird port of lilo |
| 13:21.00 | b_jonas | cantido: it doesn't seem crazy if the first kernel you load is minimal (say 1 M of size, almost no modules too) and the second is 10 times as large |
| 13:21.06 | cantido | thewanderer1: this is custom for this board.. I dont know what debian would use kexec for |
| 13:21.28 | thewanderer1 | oh, ok... |
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| 13:21.35 | b_jonas | at least I don't think it's crazy, because I used to load 100 kilobytes of dos and loadlin to boot a 2M large kernel back when kernels were that small |
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| 13:22.01 | cantido | you have a serial console at best and a shit bootloader.. so the kexec thing is so that you can have more than one kernel, boot into a ssh based rescue system etc |
| 13:22.02 | b_jonas | cantido: for some reason debian squeeze has kexec |
| 13:22.08 | b_jonas | it doesn't use it for bootloading of course |
| 13:22.45 | b_jonas | cantido: but is there no port of any of the other bootloaders, that is, grub or syslinux, or possibly some bsd bootloader? |
| 13:22.50 | cusco | hi |
| 13:23.02 | b_jonas | hmm, actually kernels still are only two megs of size these days |
| 13:23.11 | b_jonas | it's only the initrd that takes ten megs |
| 13:23.17 | b_jonas | I thought they'd have grown more since |
| 13:23.19 | cusco | how do I mount a /dev/md0 ? |
| 13:23.23 | cantido | b_jonas: not really, openbsd and netbsd have their own loaders.. but the lilo port for linux is very shit indeed heh |
| 13:23.57 | b_jonas | what arch is this again? |
| 13:23.58 | cantido | the main problem is that you only usually have a single push button for input though. So a little initramfs that listens for the button presses is a nice thing to have |
| 13:24.04 | cantido | superh |
| 13:24.41 | cusco | when I specify ext4 as fs type, dmesg shows ext4-fs (md0): vfs: can't find ext4 filesystem |
| 13:24.43 | sedulous | I need some guidance about maintaining new Debian packages in a VCS like git. I've read http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-start.en.html already but I'm not sure about 2 things: How does the VCS layout look like if you don't want to store the original sources within it? Can I keep the source tarballs in a separate directory, effectively? |
| 13:25.06 | cantido | hopefully that sysfs option is whats breaking my /dev here.. I like having less issues |
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| 13:25.30 | sedulous | (basically I only want to keep ${package}/debian/ in the VCS yet still have a convenient way to work with it, build packages, etc...) |
| 13:26.18 | cantido | sedulous: so keep that in VCS and check it out into your source |
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| 13:27.44 | sedulous | cantido: is that the standard practice for package maintainers? |
| 13:28.07 | cantido | sedulous: I guess they keep everything in source control |
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| 13:28.18 | sedulous | cantido: yeah, but with the layout that you suggested? |
| 13:28.27 | eXpLoD | how can i clear the cache of apt |
| 13:28.35 | cantido | if you only want to keep the deb parts in source control just do it.. |
| 13:29.01 | cantido | you should have no problems having that directory controlled with SVN but inside your normal source |
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| 13:29.19 | petemc | apt-get clean will remove the deb files saved in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 13:29.22 | petemc | eXpLoD: ^^ |
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| 13:30.28 | cantido | b_jonas: turns out we had exactly the same problem. :D |
| 13:30.44 | cusco | seems that grub got broken in testing and meanwhile a new package is available, but now I cannot boot. It keeps dumping in rescue mode... so Im running a livecd, but I cannot mount md0 md1 and md2... some help please_ |
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| 13:31.11 | cantido | cusco: if the kernel is loaded grub isnt broken |
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| 13:31.22 | cusco | cantido: no kernel is not loaded |
| 13:31.30 | b_jonas | cantido: great. so why do you have only one button push? doesn't serial console work? |
| 13:31.37 | cantido | cusco: ok, so what does grub do? |
| 13:31.37 | spal | when I start Vuze to download a torrent, I get this error: Impossible to bind to a local socket. Loading of torrents via command line parameter will fail until this is fixed. |
| 13:31.45 | cusco | it just says unknown filesystem |
| 13:31.45 | spal | What is it about? |
| 13:32.08 | cantido | b_jonas: I have a serial console.. so its fine. I cant actually get the push button to work |
| 13:32.21 | cantido | machine locks up if I load the module for it |
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| 13:32.35 | cusco | seems like http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=567637 |
| 13:33.02 | cusco | so now while on live cd |
| 13:33.06 | cantido | cusco: I cant really remember how grub2 works. But I guess that your are missing a module from your core image (or whatever..) |
| 13:33.18 | cusco | cantido: yes that is it |
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| 13:33.32 | cusco | insmod linux returnsÃÃ: unknown filesystem |
| 13:33.38 | cantido | cant remember how you regenerate it |
| 13:33.39 | cusco | )in the rescue shell= |
| 13:33.47 | cusco | sorry, mixed layout |
| 13:33.53 | yalu | can I use "lenny" as a target release instead of "oldstable"? |
| 13:33.55 | cantido | cusco: what fs type is /boot ? |
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| 13:34.00 | cusco | cantido: ext4 |
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| 13:34.08 | TheOne1 | yalu: yes |
| 13:34.13 | cantido | does grub have ext4 support? |
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| 13:34.20 | cusco | it worked before |
| 13:34.26 | cusco | Ç| |
| 13:34.28 | aguitel | how install kernel 2.6.37 ? |
| 13:34.31 | cusco | :| |
| 13:34.36 | yalu | TheOne1: I was just wondering, because -t lenny or Lenny starts downloading stuff from Squeeze anyway :-) |
| 13:34.42 | shirish | hi all, does anybody where I can find yaml-cpp, I tried searching apt and aptitude but came none wiser. There are a number of parsers of yaml but not yaml-cpp |
| 13:35.12 | cantido | cusco: I think, vague memory, there is a list of modules for grub2 that get included in the core image.. |
| 13:35.22 | cantido | cusco: that you can adjust.. |
| 13:35.28 | b_jonas | I see. |
| 13:35.34 | TheOne1 | yalu: is it in your sources.list? |
| 13:35.37 | cantido | and from the grub shell you should be able to see if you have that module or not |
| 13:35.44 | sedulous | shirish: it's not packaged by debian |
| 13:35.48 | cusco | cantido: well... once I cannot mount md0 in this livecd, I cannot adjust... :/ |
| 13:35.54 | b_jonas | well, I don't have the time now, but at some point I might remake my kernel config based on debian's, because that could solve hidden problems. |
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| 13:36.20 | shirish | sedulous: thank you, do you think I should file an RFP or how can I find if any RFP has already been filed ? |
| 13:36.25 | yalu | TheOne1: I use the code names lenny/etch/... wherever I can instead of stable, testing, unstable etc |
| 13:36.26 | cantido | b_jonas: my config is based off the defconfig included in the kernel |
| 13:36.28 | yalu | so yes |
| 13:36.51 | cantido | b_jonas: you would have thought an option that isnt valid anymore would be turned off by default |
| 13:37.43 | sedulous | shirish: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/requested |
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| 13:38.01 | shirish | sedulous: thank you. |
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| 13:39.14 | cantido | cusco: mm what livecd are you using? |
| 13:39.30 | cantido | cusco: I think the rescue system on the install cd will bring up md arrays |
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| 13:43.13 | ted11 | how do u check zlib version? |
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| 13:47.38 | TheOne1 | yalu: what is the full command you are using? |
| 13:47.38 | b_jonas | cantido: I don't trust defconfig. but even if it was a sane config, how could it know what runtime you're using? |
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| 13:48.48 | cantido | b_jonas: for x86 thats a bit of a problem because of all the configs.. but with on other archs there are defconfigs for specific boards |
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| 13:49.55 | b_jonas | cantido: I see. I haven't ever built kernels other than x86 and amd64, so I don't know. |
| 13:50.05 | gusto | whats up here on freenode? someone was trying to send me a file over and over again, some trolls are out there? |
| 13:50.14 | ouned | hi. Im using debian sid on my desktop with twinview (2048x1024 on the left and 1920x1080 on the right) my problem is that all fullscreen programes seem to open on the wrong screen. Using compiz & fglrx (ati) |
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| 13:50.44 | sh_sh | where can i download debain 5.0? It seems to be erased from the debian page. |
| 13:51.03 | yalu | TheOne1: apt-get --download-only --target-release lenny install libx11-data or apt-get --target-release lenny upgrade . which respectively want to install a package that seems up to date with -t oldstable and try to upgrade 330 packages instead of 20 or so |
| 13:51.08 | TheOne1 | sh_sh: archive.debian.org |
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| 13:51.19 | cantido | b_jonas: I dont support for everything .. but I just build everything as modules. I would hate to get some new USB thing and plug it in only to find I didnt build that module |
| 13:51.55 | cantido | b_jonas: but if you can't change PCI devices etc, you dont have to worry about building every driver for PCI cards :) |
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| 13:52.37 | b_jonas | cantido: I can swap PCI devices because my linux installations sometimes live longer than I use my motherboards |
| 13:52.38 | TheOne1 | yalu: can you pastebin your sources.list and preferences files? |
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| 13:53.05 | sh_sh | TheOne1: no lenny in there |
| 13:53.09 | TheOne1 | to pastebin.com or similar? |
| 13:53.24 | cantido | yeah, I like that about debian.. I can usually take my harddrive and move it to another machine and it mostly just works |
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| 13:54.12 | TheOne1 | sh_sh: my bad, it is still on the main servers |
| 13:54.26 | i0_work | hi, how can i exclude directories from dpkg-source using a config file? debian/source/options doesn't seem to support -I |
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| 13:54.59 | TheOne1 | sh_sh: are you looking for a install CD or packages? |
| 13:55.15 | yalu | TheOne1: http://tinypaste.com/739f8 ; preferences file is nonexistant |
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| 13:56.03 | sh_sh | TheOne1: install CD would be fine |
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| 13:56.30 | TheOne1 | yalu: there a couple of ways to work around it. One is to temporarily comment our the squeeze line and aptitude update. The other way is to pin your host to lenny in /etc/apt/preferences |
| 13:56.44 | TheOne1 | If you plan on staying on lenny for a bit, I'd suggest the second route |
| 13:57.15 | yalu | it's just strange that the codenames don't work. well, I could just use "stable" and "oldstable" off course |
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| 13:58.02 | TheOne1 | sh_sh: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/debian-installer/ |
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| 13:59.51 | krushik | how to find channel and lun of faulty disk in mdadm's raid? |
| 14:00.08 | TheOne1 | yalu: I concur |
| 14:00.17 | TheOne1 | it should work |
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| 14:00.43 | sh_sh | TheOne1: thx a lot, would be find if there is a link in the footer at least to this page or somewhere else |
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| 14:03.10 | TheOne1 | sh_sh: if you look at the main page, and click on "Getting Debian" or "Cd |
| 14:03.29 | TheOne1 | " there is a link on that pafe to "older releases" |
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| 14:04.49 | TheOne1 | sh_sh: you can also get there vie the link to the "available versions of Debian" |
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| 14:09.23 | sh_sh | TheOne1: oops missed that |
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| 14:11.35 | NicolasX | a |
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| 14:12.18 | NicolasX | hay nun canal debian es? |
| 14:12.23 | NicolasX | alguien habla español? |
| 14:12.45 | nkuttler | !es |
| 14:12.45 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
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| 14:20.26 | fbs | tharkun: memusage is up to 111MB now |
| 14:20.40 | fbs | thats like around 60 since boot |
| 14:21.01 | fbs | 3.5% mem for irssi in top |
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| 14:21.23 | fbs | but also 0.9 for ntpd and bitblee |
| 14:22.27 | JyZyXEL | what does udev do when theres a naming collision? |
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| 14:22.58 | cantido | fbs: 3.5% of .. |
| 14:23.11 | JyZyXEL | when your NAME argument does not have %n |
| 14:23.18 | fbs | cantido: 256M |
| 14:23.34 | T_LL | Does anyone know of some good iptables examples/generators? |
| 14:23.59 | fbs | T_LL: maybe smth like shorewall ? |
| 14:24.14 | T_LL | fbs never heard of it. |
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| 14:24.26 | fbs | try it :) |
| 14:24.57 | iwontbecreative | Hi, I need some help for sound, since yesterday, my sound stopped working |
| 14:25.11 | iwontbecreative | I tried to debug by myself but couldn't fix the problem |
| 14:25.23 | fbs | iwontbecreative: check all posible mixers |
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| 14:26.04 | cantido | fbs: the memory used will slowly grow as the kernel starts caching stuff |
| 14:26.09 | iwontbecreative | fbs: Alsamixer and what else? |
| 14:26.31 | cantido | fbs: unless you have serious problems with swapping or the kernel killing processes because of memory pressure, dont worry about |
| 14:26.35 | cantido | fbs: it |
| 14:27.17 | fbs | cantido: how much is normal? |
| 14:27.22 | T_LL | fbs any other suggestions? |
| 14:27.28 | fbs | it did 60MB in 16h |
| 14:27.35 | fbs | T_LL: gnome mixers |
| 14:27.50 | fbs | T_LL: did you do any updates/ software changes? |
| 14:27.50 | iwontbecreative | One of the problems is that lspci | grep audio returns: 01:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc HD48x0 audio |
| 14:27.59 | T_LL | fbs huh? |
| 14:28.09 | babilen | T_LL: fwbuilder might also be worth a look, but see http://wiki.debian.org/Firewalls |
| 14:28.16 | iwontbecreative | And that's not the integrated soundcard |
| 14:28.37 | fbs | T_LL: whoops wrong one, its was for iwontbecreative |
| 14:28.51 | fbs | iwontbecreative: boot alsamixer and check all the soundcards |
| 14:29.01 | fbs | with f6 i think, is you default still listed |
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| 14:29.55 | iwontbecreative | fbs: Corrected, was a problem with /etc/asound.conf |
| 14:30.09 | iwontbecreative | Thanks for the help anyway :) |
| 14:30.21 | fbs | :) |
| 14:30.49 | fbs | i had smth like that once, you could also make a .asoundrc in your home to change the default card |
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| 14:33.08 | iwontbecreative | Yes, saw that on some wiki ;) |
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| 14:35.33 | DelphiWorld | hello dear debianers :) |
| 14:35.42 | DelphiWorld | how do i uninstall gnome? |
| 14:35.55 | themill | !remove gnome |
| 14:35.55 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
| 14:36.31 | DelphiWorld | themill: thank you a lot |
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| 14:37.06 | genbits | hi all |
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| 14:41.09 | DelphiWorld | thank you themill is down. |
| 14:41.42 | themill | no worries... next, you can "/msg dpkg install kde4" :þ |
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| 14:42.07 | DelphiWorld | themill: :) |
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| 14:43.09 | DelphiWorld | themill, if i reboot my debian i should get a shell login? |
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| 14:43.31 | themill | DelphiWorld: yes |
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| 14:43.38 | DelphiWorld | themill: awesome |
| 14:43.42 | themill | but there's no need to do so... |
| 14:43.56 | DelphiWorld | themill: i did some crazy error |
| 14:43.56 | stew | (unless kdm is also installed?) |
| 14:44.02 | DelphiWorld | themill: this is a server not a personal PC :) |
| 14:44.13 | themill | bad stew |
| 14:44.21 | DelphiWorld | themill: and i'm blind (i don't see) but my friend didn't told me that gui options is checked :) |
| 14:44.57 | stew | bad? i just mean that removing gdm doesn't ensure that he gets a non-graphical login, right? |
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| 14:51.29 | DelphiWorld | see you all later |
| 14:51.33 | DelphiWorld | otherwise have a nice weekend |
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| 15:08.36 | nijan | Hello all, to connect to the internet I must authenticate, but when I try to connect to the https page it idles and goes timeout. Everything was working fine on lenny before I upgraded to Squeeze. It is not a browser problem, even wget fails. I guess it has something to do with ssl refusing to connect but coulnd't troubleshoot more. I have also disabled OCSP in the browser. |
| 15:08.50 | nijan | Any clue on what I should look for? |
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| 15:12.07 | geekbri | does anybody know how to add multiple DB configurations to phpmyadmin? I've found how to add one by editing config-db.php but its not clear to me how to add a second. |
| 15:12.54 | Erbureth | nijan: try different DNS servers? |
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| 15:21.38 | glodime | If I were to buy a laptop or desktop from system76, should I expect to easily install Debian on it? |
| 15:21.56 | latsni | i can't use my webcam (gspca) under debian squeeze, no /dev/video0 is created when i turn on the webcam, but i could connect the webcam under VirtualBox and i could use it with less performance there, and if i disconnect the webcam in VirtualBox, it creates /dev/video0 under the host debian squeeze. is it possible to use the webcam without the help of VirtualBox (connect and disconnect in the virtual machine). http://pastebin.com/CVAQUMaw has som |
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| 15:22.40 | glodime | By that I mean not expect problems with its operation. |
| 15:22.48 | karlpinc | glodime: To be sure you should get something with debian pre-installed, otherwise, it depends. Especially with laptops. I can't say what the likihood of problems are. |
| 15:23.27 | glodime | Thanks, Karlpinc. |
| 15:23.31 | Bushmills | glodime: on most systems, debian should install nicely. problems may be mostly with those having a poorly supported WLAN adapter, and those with ion or ion2 hypbrid graphics |
| 15:23.39 | karlpinc | glodime: If you knew the specs exactly people here might have more info. |
| 15:24.45 | glodime | Thanks, when I get closer to a decision, I'll ask with more details. |
| 15:25.19 | glodime | so far system76 has not been eliminated |
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| 15:26.40 | Bushmills | for WLAN, many Atheros are preferable over, say, broadcom adapters. |
| 15:26.44 | karlpinc | I just did a safe-upgrade on lenny, after updating the debian-archive-keyring package. aptitude safe-upgrade tells me that libavutil49 libpostproc51 libavformat52 libavcodec51 it wants to install are "untrusted versions". Why and what do I do about this? Here's my sources.list http://pastebin.com/nBkGRq59 , which seems normal to me. |
| 15:26.58 | karlpinc | I'm upgrading from 5.0.4. |
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| 15:27.37 | karlpinc | The box has had regular updates from security.debian.org, just not from the main archives. |
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| 15:28.28 | stew | karlpinc: install debian-archive-keyring and aptitude update again, then see if they are still untrusted |
| 15:28.28 | tech13 | "apt-get update" is giving "Hash Sum mismatch" did the key recently change? |
| 15:28.39 | stew | karlpinc: we recently switched signing keys |
| 15:28.52 | karlpinc | stew: Ah. I didn't aptitude update again. I'll try that. |
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| 15:28.58 | dvs | karlpinc: aren't lines 11 and 12 the same as lines 14 and 15? |
| 15:29.09 | stew | tech13: if it complains about a particular file in /var/lib/apt/lists, delete that file, update again |
| 15:29.53 | tech13 | stew, it is complaining about "security.debian.org", but I see your answer to karlpinc is probably the same answer I'm looking for. |
| 15:30.10 | stew | tech13: no, the signing keys wouldn't be a hash sum mismatch |
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| 15:31.06 | tech13 | stew, err, looks like my caching proxy server has a mix of file ages. commenting out the proxy fixed the hash. |
| 15:31.40 | stew | that makes more sense |
| 15:31.47 | karlpinc | dvs: That depends on how 14 and 15 resolve. They're there in case the specific mirror is down for some reason. |
| 15:32.11 | dvs | karlpinc: but they are both active at this moment. |
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| 15:32.41 | karlpinc | dvs: Then I'll get packages from the fast mirror. If that ever breaks there will still be a mirror I can get updates from. |
| 15:33.07 | karlpinc | stew: That fixed it. (I guess I should read what's on the screen, eh? :-) |
| 15:33.35 | gnarface | hey if i've got a nvidia card so old that not even the current "legacy" drivers on the nvidia site support but i still want 3d acceleration (and i lost the old 17x.xxx... legacy driver version i downloaded from nvidia that DID support it) is there a debian package still that i could use? |
| 15:33.41 | stew | karlpinc: :) |
| 15:33.41 | tech13 | anyone happen to know the lines to add to the squid config so that it doesn't cache package lists as long, but keeps caching .debs? |
| 15:34.40 | karlpinc | gnarface: Dunno. But the good thing about the open source drivers is that once they work, they keep working forever. |
| 15:35.10 | gnarface | karlpinc: noted, but according to the nouveau site i shouldn't hold my breath for accelerated 3d |
| 15:35.51 | gnarface | and considering even the non-legacy open source nvidia drivers still haven't gotten around to it (or have they?) i won't be |
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| 15:36.53 | karlpinc | gnarface: I'd rather use something supported with FOSS drivers than having to keep buying new video cards -- so I do! Others make other choices. |
| 15:37.01 | gnarface | the problem is that its not just opengl games... without that support for some reason i can't use framebuffer tv capture cards either |
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| 15:37.45 | latsni | gnarface: what nividia card is it? |
| 15:37.55 | gnarface | karlpinc: its spare hardware i'm trying to turn into a mame/mythtv box. the point is i'm trying NOT to buy more hardware :-p |
| 15:38.21 | gnarface | latsni: something 64 meg. its after the tnts... maybe early geforce series. stand by i'll boot the thing again and tell you |
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| 15:38.59 | glodime | I have no problem buying new hardware if the drivers are libre. |
| 15:39.24 | gnarface | latsni: hangon, booting |
| 15:39.31 | karlpinc | I have a very odd problem. I've an old 1u box that when I boot (lenny) grub does not "count down" and boot. I think the hardware clock may be broken. Is this possible? Each boot if I go into the cmos the clock resets back to 1948 no matter what I set it to. It's not a problem except that all my fss always get fscked at every boot. (Then ntp comes up and fixes the time.) |
| 15:39.36 | karlpinc | gnarface: Wait. |
| 15:39.47 | karlpinc | gnarface: If you do a lspci -nn it'll tell us what it is. |
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| 15:40.19 | gnarface | glodime: typically neither do i, but what passes for a good 3d gaming video card these days that's fully supported with open source drivers? |
| 15:40.28 | karlpinc | I tried relpacing the cmos battery and that did not seem to help, although I just used a battery I got from another box not a new one. |
| 15:41.08 | karlpinc | gnarface: #linux might know. ?? |
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| 15:41.49 | gnarface | karlpinc: don't worry i actually know the answer: nothing made after 2001 |
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| 15:42.57 | gnarface | latsni: it is an AGP NV17 [GeForce 4 MX 440] |
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| 15:43.33 | gnarface | there were some ati cards that were very well supported for a while there, but the support seems to have fallen a bit short for recent cards |
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| 15:45.40 | latsni | gnarface: for that card are linux drivers available http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us |
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| 15:48.33 | gnarface | latsni: hmm. last time i tried those drivers out though (96.43.19) actually running them my xorg log said this card was no longer supported and i had to go find like 74.XX.XX driver to get my opengl support... i suppose i can try again to make sure i didn't dream it |
| 15:49.01 | asherawelan | if my tc filter class has a rate set to 100bps, and set to handle traffic tagged with 5 - does that mean that every connection --set-mark connection from iptables gets 100bps, or collectively all traffic with mark 5 shares 100bps? |
| 15:49.27 | stew | asherawelan: all traffic with mark 5 |
| 15:49.29 | achury | Someone else have problems with debian 6.0, base install with cd1? Grub is not correctly installed on laptop compaq presario 1245 |
| 15:49.42 | achury | any workaround? |
| 15:50.01 | asherawelan | stew: so all marked connectin 5 share 100bps? |
| 15:50.02 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Is there any way to blacklist of force the system not to load kernel modules which I really don't need? |
| 15:50.10 | stew | asherawelan: yes |
| 15:50.16 | dvs | achury: I had trouble with GRUB on an upgrade. Luckily, GRUB 1 was still working. |
| 15:50.21 | stew | hid3: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 15:50.26 | remoteCTRL | can you please tell me the volatile entry for squeeze? the one i got doesnt work... |
| 15:50.36 | remoteCTRL | to sources.list i meant |
| 15:51.06 | asherawelan | stew: Do you know a way that 5 dynamic users, with dynamic IPs can share X bps fairly? |
| 15:51.12 | achury | dvs: Any work around? The cd1 on rescue mode cant install grub correctly |
| 15:51.16 | asherawelan | stew: I have a NAT'd LAN |
| 15:51.24 | jhun | Got a quick question about preseed: I get a general error 'Configuring 'pksel' failed with error code 1' and the installer bombs at that point. Google didn't return much help for the definition of error code 1, any suggestions? |
| 15:51.34 | pipeline | asherawelan: if you don't control both ends of the connection, there's no good way to do QoS. |
| 15:51.46 | pipeline | asherawelan: you can throttle individual users by dropping packets, but there's no GOOD way to do this. |
| 15:51.53 | dvs | achury: Don't know. Live CD and chroot? |
| 15:52.07 | pipeline | asherawelan: as a general rule, it is easier, cheaper, and less disruptive to buy more bandwidth than to experiment with QoS, even under ideal circumstances when you control both ends of the link :P |
| 15:52.17 | hid3 | stew: I have added several in blackist.conf (not blacklist.local.conf, though) but it loads them anyway... |
| 15:52.39 | pipeline | asherawelan: also, if you're worried about contention, well, don't. Well-behaved TCP stacks handle contention pretty well. :P |
| 15:53.36 | remoteCTRL | oh i see thanks alot to who ever just sent me that! :) |
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| 15:53.55 | remoteCTRL | erm... dvs thanks |
| 15:54.02 | dvs | np |
| 15:54.05 | achury | What are the lines to put on menu.lst? |
| 15:54.09 | asherawelan | pipeline: I'm aware QoS is only partially possible - at best just by throttling upstream... I've prio'd port 80,443 traffic already, which has meant web browser performance is better for users, but those who stream tv or youtube degrade the service somewhat for others... so it would seem |
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| 15:55.25 | pipeline | asherawelan: yeah that's not really a problem you can solve. |
| 15:55.28 | jhun | nm, might of got something if I could write pkgsel insteadl of pksel. |
| 15:55.29 | pipeline | asherawelan: Block common video sites. |
| 15:55.44 | asherawelan | pipeline: can you explain a little more what you mean with the contention aspect? |
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| 15:56.09 | pipeline | asherawelan: well-behaved TCP/IP stacks tend to share contended links pretty well, in such a way that no individual is wholly starved and unable to get any traffic through |
| 15:56.31 | asherawelan | pipeline: is there a way to monitor this - i'm using iptraf at the mo |
| 15:56.38 | pipeline | asherawelan: but in the case where you just don't have a big enough internet pipe to sustain youtube at the same time as normal browsing, welp, you're fucked. |
| 15:56.55 | asherawelan | pipeline: yep - guessed so |
| 15:57.00 | pipeline | asherawelan: easiest way to solve that problem is to force users to use internal DNS, and redirect youtube. |
| 15:57.07 | robblesz | Hi folks, can someone recommends a backup program or script that does incremental rotating backups? |
| 15:57.11 | robblesz | *recommend |
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| 15:57.22 | asherawelan | i'm using internal DNS - all other DNS is blocked |
| 15:57.23 | pipeline | asherawelan: a slightly less easy method is to compel the use of a corporate caching proxy... then you can block youtube and cache static content from e.g. cnn |
| 15:57.28 | gnarface | pipeline, asherawelan i wouldn't necessary say that. packet filter can do set a minumum reserved amount of bandwidth for individual ips, (upload and download separately) as well as individual ports |
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| 15:57.47 | pipeline | gnarface: yes, but that a.) doesn't work very well and b.) comes at a cost in aggregate throughput |
| 15:57.57 | pipeline | gnarface: it's only modestly better than nothing |
| 15:58.13 | pipeline | gnarface: because under normal circumstances, individual connections will get a minimum amount of bandwidth with no qos work at all |
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| 15:59.17 | gnarface | pipeline: i can't say i've ever fire tested it but the configuration parameters suggest that you can allow clients to "borrow" more bandwidth from the main pool and only be restricted to the minimum while the pipe is saturated |
| 15:59.38 | pipeline | gnarface: I've been there and done that, and it fucking sucks. |
| 16:00.14 | gnarface | pipeline: is this from debian? i admit i've never tried it outside of openbsd either |
| 16:00.22 | pipeline | gnarface: I've tried it on a number of platforms. QoS is a big bag of hurt. |
| 16:00.34 | gnarface | pipeline: i've also never tried it on a pipe bigger than 10 megabits synchronous |
| 16:00.36 | pipeline | gnarface: it's also a favorite buzzword for vendors and the management dipshits who sit down with them |
| 16:01.02 | achury | I'm back |
| 16:01.07 | asherawelan | pipeline: well it seems I'm going to have to live with it - I'm prioritising 80,443,110,25 over other ports - and that may be as far as I can go |
| 16:01.08 | pipeline | gnarface: I have never, ever, ever had a pleasant experience with QoS. Although I did once, in college, force the unpleasant part on someone else. haha. |
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| 16:01.38 | pipeline | asherawelan: prioritizing 80 and 443 over other ports prioritizes youtube and facebook over your ssh traffic ... is that really desirable ? :) |
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| 16:02.04 | asherawelan | pipeline: I have other rules to prio SSH above HTTP, etc... |
| 16:02.18 | pipeline | asherawelan: why can't you buy a bigger pipe? or block youtube/pandora. |
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| 16:03.08 | asherawelan | It's a residential block of flats - in a crummy area - I've only two ADSL lines, bonded - affords me 7Mg down... big whoop |
| 16:03.15 | gnarface | i'd just throttle traffic from youtube and pandora specifically |
| 16:03.34 | asherawelan | throttling is fine - but there's always more sites to add |
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| 16:04.54 | gnarface | reactive firewalling? like, add a rule to throttle based on a trigger of sustained usage? i've seen triggers set to add rules to a table to block ip's of slow brute force ssh attacks, i'd assume the same would be possible with a thottle of source video streaming sites, wouldn't it? (not that i know off the top of my head how) |
| 16:05.16 | pipeline | the problem is CDNs |
| 16:05.21 | pipeline | your throttles against video streaming IPs |
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| 16:05.26 | pipeline | may also hit ... every major website |
| 16:05.30 | gnarface | *sigh* |
| 16:05.31 | gnarface | you're right |
| 16:05.32 | pipeline | you can't put akamai on your shitlist :) |
| 16:05.50 | pipeline | if you want to shitlist web stuff, you have to use DNS or a proxy to enforce your policy... and that's not easy. |
| 16:06.02 | pipeline | youtube and pandora will solve 90% of your problem |
| 16:06.09 | pipeline | there's always more sites to add, but you can't keep up with the long tail |
| 16:06.12 | pipeline | you just want to handle the 90% proble m:P |
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| 16:08.52 | hid3 | LOL. How do I blacklist kernel modules? Adding 'blacklist module' to blacklist.conf does nothing! Help! |
| 16:08.56 | hid3 | :( |
| 16:09.08 | asherawelan | pipeline: it could be an option to create a tc rule for each mac address on the system right? and limit bandwidth to that mac that way? |
| 16:09.18 | babilen | !blacklist |
| 16:09.19 | dpkg | In lenny and squeeze, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
| 16:09.55 | hid3 | yeah yeah |
| 16:10.01 | hid3 | NEITHER of the instructions work |
| 16:10.51 | daemonkeeper | They do, it won't prevent to load a module manually though |
| 16:11.15 | dkr | edit the hard-coded list in the kernel source code and recompile. :) |
| 16:11.19 | hid3 | ok, it works for those things which I don't have in my system |
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| 16:11.35 | hid3 | but let's say I want to blacklist 'floppy' simply because I don't need it |
| 16:11.51 | hid3 | and rmmod works but after a reboot it will load it even it is blacklisted |
| 16:11.54 | babilen | hid3: Please provide more information in that case. Which module are you trying to blacklist and why "don't they work"? |
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| 16:12.13 | babilen | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 16:12.14 | dpkg | If your kernel uses an initramfs image (e.g. Debian stock kernel images), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf |
| 16:12.35 | babilen | hid3: All that being said: Please provide more and specific information. |
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| 16:13.20 | hid3 | Oh nice. Thanks! |
| 16:13.52 | babilen | wonders if that shouldn't actually be update-initramfs -u in the last factoid |
| 16:14.59 | babilen | hid3: See my comment on 'update-initramfs -u' (also check its manpage) -- that should be enough. |
| 16:15.21 | babilen | hid3: If that still doesn't work → information more needed is |
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| 16:16.43 | daemonkeeper | babilen: Not explicit, but dpkg-reconfigure will call update-initramfs as well. It misses a bit the actual goal though, I agree. |
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| 16:17.57 | babilen | daemonkeeper: I am aware that the postinst of that package will call update-initramfs -u, but if calling 'update-initramfs -u' is the only reason for reconfiguring the package, it should be called directly and not via the maintainer script. I am just not 100% sure if some additional magic in that script is needed |
| 16:18.27 | cantido | update-initramfs is called by your kernel package config file thingy.. |
| 16:18.31 | cantido | I think |
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| 16:18.49 | daemonkeeper | babilen: afaict no. Feel free to edit the factoid :) |
| 16:18.52 | fishsponge_ | does anyone know how to sort my search results in icedove? |
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| 16:19.07 | cantido | /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 16:19.09 | babilen | daemonkeeper: I will. |
| 16:19.16 | fishsponge_ | don't worry, found it at last! :-) |
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| 16:19.41 | babilen | daemonkeeper: just wanted a second opinion (as mine was more an elaborated guess and gut feeling, not "I implemented that and know that ...") |
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| 16:20.06 | daemonkeeper | babilen: Don't know if you count mine, but I tend to agree |
| 16:21.52 | babilen | your opinion is valued and i made the edit :) |
| 16:22.49 | babilen | hid3: success? |
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| 16:41.48 | laidback_01 | I just installed debian 6.0 and am getting a couple of errors on boot up that don't actually stop it from booting, but which are distracting |
| 16:42.20 | cahoot | errors or warnings/messages? |
| 16:42.25 | laidback_01 | First, it'll tell me that there's an error - error found two disks with the number 2 |
| 16:42.30 | laidback_01 | and that goes by |
| 16:42.46 | laidback_01 | and the next one is very hard to read, it jumps by quickly... |
| 16:42.58 | cahoot | checked dmesg? |
| 16:43.13 | laidback_01 | yeah, those are pre-init, so they don't end up in dmesg |
| 16:43.30 | laidback_01 | but, yes, I did check just in case. |
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| 16:43.54 | laidback_01 | anyway the next messages have to do with assembling the raid1 in the machine |
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| 16:44.23 | laidback_01 | they state that the superblocks are similar and that I should run it with --zero for one or the other. |
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| 16:45.14 | laidback_01 | that kind of makes me nervous... wondering if this will cause me problems down the road and make it so that my system now doesn't even have the raid1 protection I'm looking for. |
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| 16:48.17 | jelly | !ikiwiki |
| 16:48.17 | dpkg | Ikiwiki is a wiki compiler designed by Joey Hess, which stores its pages in a revision control system. Backported packages for Lenny are available, ask me about <bdo>. http://ikiwiki.info/ #ikiwiki on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:48.29 | jelly | dpkg: that channel's empty! |
| 16:48.29 | dpkg | jelly: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 16:49.38 | filip | is Guillem Jover around here :)? |
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| 16:54.30 | ascii` | (sorry for the question repost, but if i'm unable to get a response here, where? :D) hi, anybody got the padlock engine as the default engine on 0.9.8o (the openssl shipped with debian sqeeze)? the customization to /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf that was working for lenny doesn't work anymore. btw `openssl engine | xargs` (padlock) VIA PadLock (no-RNG, ACE) (dynamic) Dynamic engine loading support |
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| 17:00.34 | maplebed | Hi, I have a package that was built for lenny and I install it on squeeze, but the init script doesn't have LSI info (the debian/rules file uses dh_installinit defaults 99) how will squeeze's dependency based boot order it? |
| 17:01.01 | stew | maplebed: it won't. you should add the LSB info to the header |
| 17:01.17 | maplebed | you mean it won't start at all? |
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| 17:01.36 | stew | maplebed: i believe so |
| 17:01.46 | maplebed | huh. |
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| 17:01.56 | gnarface | has got to learn about this dependency-based/concurrent booting stuff. |
| 17:02.00 | maplebed | I'll have to recheck, but I thought it did start - I just didn't know when in the order. |
| 17:02.09 | maplebed | (I intend to add the LSB headers asap, but they're not there yet...) |
| 17:02.15 | stew | maplebed: in any case you should ad the LSB headers |
| 17:02.30 | gnarface | installed squeeze myself the other day... man it is sexy |
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| 17:02.51 | stew | maplebed: i could be wrong about it failing to schedule it, perhaps it schedules it last |
| 17:03.06 | stew | maplebed: if you have such a thing, the dependency based boot will refuse to configure at least |
| 17:03.06 | maplebed | that's what I'm hoping. |
| 17:03.13 | maplebed | I suppose it's not to ohard to test. |
| 17:03.19 | gnarface | hey stew, do those rc?.d symlinks still do anything? |
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| 17:04.41 | stew | gnarface: yes, they still are the same, with dependency based boot, the depencency determines the order that they will be placed |
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| 17:05.52 | gnarface | stew: i think i see, so that happens at package install/configure time and i can still change them manually and my changes will be obeyed (at least until a reconfigure/reinstall changes them back?) |
| 17:05.57 | stew | gnarface: so with dependency based boot, you miight end up with lots of S01 links, lots of S02 links, fewer S03 links, a few S04, etc, instead of them being scattered all over |
| 17:06.39 | stew | meaning that all of the S01 links have no dependencies (besides those in rcS.d) the S02 ones depnd on things on S01, the S03 things depend on S02... |
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| 17:07.18 | stew | gnarface: i believe so, yes. but you'll probably not be too happy with trying to interfere by changing stuff by hand (other than by altering the LSB headers) |
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| 17:07.29 | gnarface | stew: thanks, noted |
| 17:07.55 | gnarface | must learn to accurately manipulate LSB for his own packages |
| 17:07.58 | maplebed | fascinating. It put it at S02. |
| 17:08.05 | maplebed | (in /etc/rc2.d/) |
| 17:08.22 | stew | intereesting |
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| 17:10.26 | maplebed | stew - thanks for showing me where to look! now I know that i really do have to do what you already said I should do. (the package is starting too early) |
| 17:10.29 | maplebed | :) |
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| 17:16.33 | compengi | hello, my question is, if there is a desktop live cd image that fits on a cd to install debian. or i should start from scratch? |
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| 17:17.15 | Ringo_ | can someone help me set up ndiswrapper? I just dl'ed squeeze cd disc, set up some debs and tweaked sources.list (which I have questions about (man sources.list was insufficient)) Is my kernel set up to use modules?? Can I use aptitude, apt-get and dpkg interchangably? |
| 17:17.34 | gnarface | compengi: there is now a live cd! hooraaay! i would recommend only using it if it is in fact more convenient than having a real install (which is rarely) |
| 17:17.48 | Ringo_ | modpprobe ndiswrapper say no module |
| 17:18.07 | babilen | compengi: There is a live cd, but you don't necessarily need that to install Debian. If you have a working (wired) internet connection during the install you can just use the netinstall. Use CD1 if you don't ... |
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| 17:18.54 | compengi | babilen: that would be cool, i guess i can chmod from a live cd and install it |
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| 17:19.40 | gnarface | compengi: what babilen said, but i like to point out there is also a 'businesscard' cd that's about 1/3rd the size of the net installer and should basically be the same experience for you as long as it has drivers for your ethernet card |
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| 17:20.01 | babilen | compengi: That is even another way of installing Debian called «debootstrap» -- It is hard to recommend one over the other without knowing more about your system and needs. |
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| 17:20.25 | babilen | Yeah, everybody forgets about the businesscard :) |
| 17:20.49 | gnarface | compengi: debootstrap is fun but if your'e not trying to save an old install or having trouble getting the net installer to recognize your ethernet card it seems like a lot of work for nothing |
| 17:21.10 | compengi | i see |
| 17:21.57 | babilen | compengi: Without more information: Use the netinstall if you have a working network connection and CD1 (flavour of your choice) if you don't. Tell us more about your needs and we can give more personalised recommendations. |
| 17:21.58 | gnarface | compengi: or, like if you're having trouble getting your system bios to boot with the version of grub the net installer installs... then debootstrap might be a handy way to get a running copy on the disk from which you can repair the boot loader |
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| 17:22.52 | Ringo_ | so does anyone know about wireless usb sticks? I could approach it a different way? |
| 17:23.05 | compengi | cool.. thanks alot! |
| 17:23.26 | babilen | !tell compengi -about install guide |
| 17:23.30 | babilen | !tell compengi -about install netinstall |
| 17:23.32 | gnarface | only ever uses the livcd to hack public terminals and repair existing drives |
| 17:24.08 | Ringo_ | !tell Ringo_ -about wireless |
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| 17:24.33 | gnarface | but i imagine the live cd is also a fun low-commitment way to poke at gnome or kde or grahics driver features for a given piece of hardware |
| 17:24.38 | babilen | Ringo_: You might want to provide us with the relevant output of, for example, lsusb. Or the chipset your usb dongle is using and so on .. |
| 17:24.46 | babilen | !tell Ringo_ -about selftell |
| 17:25.04 | _Dave123_ | Anyone in here ever installed quota on a VPS (open VZ) |
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| 17:25.32 | babilen | _Dave123_: Probably. Can't be sure though and I am sure you don't want to take a poll. What is your real question? |
| 17:26.06 | _Dave123_ | babilen: my question is, how to set it up.. according to a tutorial i am following I need to change the /etc/fstab file |
| 17:26.11 | _Dave123_ | babilen: http://howtoforge.com/perfect-server-debian-squeeze-with-bind-and-courier-ispconfig-3-p4 |
| 17:26.28 | babilen | ah *that* tutorial ... |
| 17:26.29 | _Dave123_ | just can't get it to work |
| 17:26.33 | _Dave123_ | sudo quotacheck -avugm |
| 17:26.35 | _Dave123_ | quotacheck: Cannot find filesystem to check or filesystem not mounted with quota option. |
| 17:27.16 | babilen | _Dave123_: Well, do you mount the fs with the quota option? |
| 17:27.41 | _Dave123_ | babilen: that should be set in /etc/fstab right? |
| 17:27.45 | babilen | yes |
| 17:27.50 | _Dave123_ | babilen: well I tried, but I don't have rights as root to do mount -o remount / |
| 17:28.13 | babilen | reboot? |
| 17:28.20 | _Dave123_ | yea maybe hold on |
| 17:28.59 | Ringo_ | babilen, Do I have to recompile my kernel to make it use modules? |
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| 17:29.11 | compengi | gnarface: debian's live cd weights 1.1gb, i don't think it will fit on a standard cd :) |
| 17:29.18 | Ringo_ | babilen, I dont have the source |
| 17:29.55 | gnarface | compengi: its a live dvd? well there's always usb boot, but you know that the businesscard iso is like 50MB right? |
| 17:30.46 | Ringo_ | babilen, all that was is /etc/modules was loop, I added ndiswrapper |
| 17:30.50 | compengi | gnarface: yeah, i've done something similar before with stages on gentoo, it was a very cool experience |
| 17:30.52 | babilen | Ringo_: The stock kernel provides a plethora of modules. What are you trying to do? |
| 17:31.03 | _Dave123_ | babilen: being honest, i don't know how i can find those values the tutorial states at the /etc/fstab contents |
| 17:31.10 | _Dave123_ | babilen: you maybe know how i can find that data for my system? |
| 17:31.19 | babilen | What data? |
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| 17:31.30 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 17:32.31 | laidback_01 | hey, recent install of debian 6.0 with kde 4.4.5 when I logout on this sytem, it just gives me a blank screen. |
| 17:32.39 | Ringo_ | well, I dont have a dvd so I dl'ed cd disc 1 of squeeze after trying netinst and realizing I had wireless (d'oh) and am trying to get my wireless to work |
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| 17:32.55 | babilen | Ringo_: You most likely don't need ndiswrapper. Why do you think you need it? |
| 17:33.18 | Ringo_ | that wad the info I got off the net |
| 17:33.24 | babilen | which net? |
| 17:33.27 | _Dave123_ | babilen: http://howtoforge.com/perfect-server-debian-squeeze-with-bind-and-courier-ispconfig-3-p4 - look at /etc/fstab |
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| 17:33.40 | Ringo_ | babilen, what do I need then? google |
| 17:34.04 | Ringo_ | I have pc drivers |
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| 17:34.37 | babilen | Ringo_: Which "net" are you referring to? I asked a bit earlier about more information, I can't help without knowing which card you use. The (relevant) output of lsusb would be handy for that. |
| 17:34.49 | compengi | gnarface: to be honest with you, the most distro i liked is gentoo. i've used it for 1 and half years and it never broke, never had issues. it was pretty cool. but you have to compile for hours :P |
| 17:34.54 | _Dave123_ | babilen: you see what i mean? |
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| 17:35.01 | latsni | johnfg: why? |
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| 17:35.46 | Ringo_ | and this box dual boots, should I be vm? I have a belkin basic usb adapter, I could find out asbout the chipet/s |
| 17:35.52 | gnarface | compengi: once i burned out 750MB of (what is to this day still rather expensive) pc133 laptop ram trying to bootstrap gentoo on a laptop and never used it again |
| 17:35.57 | babilen | _Dave123_: I don't understand your question? Is it still complaining after the reboot? |
| 17:36.12 | _Dave123_ | babilen: no i dont think i filled in the right data and deleted it |
| 17:36.19 | _Dave123_ | babilen: /etc/fstab is empty now |
| 17:36.25 | babilen | Ringo_: Just run "lsusb" in a console |
| 17:36.33 | _Dave123_ | babilen: and i need to know what i should fill in , is the UUID like in the example necessary? |
| 17:36.34 | gnarface | hahaha |
| 17:36.36 | babilen | _Dave123_: empty? why did you do that? |
| 17:36.44 | _Dave123_ | babilen: nvm it was already empty |
| 17:36.53 | _Dave123_ | babilen: apart from 1 comment |
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| 17:36.59 | Ringo_ | babilen, I just typed 'linux debian squeeze usb belkin basic' into google |
| 17:36.59 | gnarface | watches _Dave123_ saw off his foot because his shoe was laced up wrong |
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| 17:37.19 | ravigehlot | Hello everyone, we have a desktop server box that doesn't have a GUI interface. It's ultimately used only for web hosting. We need to write a service script in order to have it start at book-up time. Adding the service can be done by using a tool like rcconf. But how do we write this start-up script, any good links? thanks. |
| 17:37.25 | compengi | gnarface: ow, i'm sorry for that, but i prefare it over all other distros |
| 17:37.39 | Ringo_ | ok I need to reboot, I didn't know about the lsusb command, I am kinda a noob |
| 17:37.46 | babilen | _Dave123_: No, the UUID is specific for each filesystem. run "blkid" to get the UUIDs for yours ls run "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid" |
| 17:38.01 | gnarface | compengi: its the first distro i'd pick if i was teaching a first-timer's linux class but its not very practical for production systems |
| 17:38.05 | compengi | gnarface: maybe debian is nice, but you people like to mess with the source files :P |
| 17:38.12 | _Dave123_ | babilen: sudo blkid gives no resiult |
| 17:38.18 | _Dave123_ | babilen: maybe because its vps? |
| 17:38.22 | Ringo_ | babilen, Thank you for your help! (I love this channel!) |
| 17:38.32 | compengi | gnarface: i agree on that |
| 17:38.48 | babilen | Ringo_: belkin produces uses a bunch of different chipsets .. we need to know which on your uses. The output of lsusb will help us to determine that. |
| 17:38.54 | babilen | !tell Ringo_ -about belkin |
| 17:39.32 | Ringo_ | bABohhhh |
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| 17:39.57 | babilen | Ringo_: See what dpkg told you? There are a lot and they likely have to be configured differently. In particular I am after the USB ID, that is something that looks like ab54:123a and identifies your device. |
| 17:40.06 | Ringo_ | babilen, Ohhhh. f7d1101 |
| 17:40.08 | _Dave123_ | babilen: any idea how come? |
| 17:40.13 | compengi | bbl |
| 17:40.19 | babilen | !f7d1101 |
| 17:40.40 | Ringo_ | hmmmm |
| 17:40.50 | Ringo_ | is that not it? |
| 17:41.04 | Ringo_ | I can find out, one sec |
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| 17:41.29 | Arrowmaster | ravigehlot: you can take a look at the scripts in /etc/init.d for examples, and you will need correct LSB tags at the top of the script, one fairly common thing used is start-stop-daemon |
| 17:41.37 | babilen | probably, can you find it in http://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/USB ? |
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| 17:42.16 | ravigehlot | Arrowmaster: That's what I have been doing. What is that start-stop-daemon? Is it an utility? |
| 17:42.26 | Arrowmaster | ravigehlot: i cant remember but /etc/init.d/README might point to an example script to start from |
| 17:42.37 | Ringo_ | babilen, that is what it says on belkin.com.... |
| 17:42.49 | ravigehlot | Arrowmaster: thank you for helping. will look into it. |
| 17:42.51 | Ringo_ | is it unsupported? |
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| 17:43.35 | babilen | Ringo_: I would still prefer the USB ID -- some output like this: Bus 005 Device 010: ID 0a5c:2110 Broadcom Corp. Bluetooth Controlle |
| 17:43.41 | Arrowmaster | ravigehlot: yeah start-stop-daemon is a utility that can handle different things like storing the pid in a file for you after starting the daemon, and then later stoping it just by using the pid file |
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| 17:43.57 | Arrowmaster | thats just one of the many things it can do |
| 17:43.57 | Ringo_ | ok I will be back |
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| 17:44.12 | ravigehlot | Arrowmaster: thanks. |
| 17:44.12 | babilen | hang on |
| 17:44.36 | babilen | !rtl8192su |
| 17:44.36 | dpkg | [rtl8192su] r8192s_usb is a kernel module produced by the rtl8192su staging driver, supporting Realtek RTL8188SU, RTL8191S and RTL8192SU 802.11n USB wireless LAN chipsets. Enabled as of linux-2.6 2.6.32-10 (x86 architectures only). Firmware is required (RTL8192SU/rtl8192sfw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. Not to be confused with the <rtl8192u> driver. See also <r8712u>. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 17:44.45 | _Dave123_ | Does anyone know how I can check what UUID my disk has if blkid dont work? |
| 17:44.49 | _Dave123_ | i.e. it gives no result |
| 17:45.09 | babilen | Ringo_: Might be that ^^^^ chipset ... not sure and can't tell you for sure without the USB ID :) |
| 17:45.48 | Ringo_ | ok I will get the output of lsusb |
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| 17:46.02 | gnarface | _Dave123_: you looked for the UUID in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ ? |
| 17:46.13 | arnie-b | ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 17:46.18 | _Dave123_ | gnarface: sorry but how do I find which /dev/disk i use? |
| 17:46.18 | babilen | Ringo_: It looks as if you want to "aptitude install firmware-realtek" and "modprobe -r r8192s_usb ; modprobe r8192s_usb" but I am not sure if you have that chipset. (might have it) |
| 17:46.27 | _Dave123_ | gnarface: nvm sorry |
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| 17:46.36 | Ringo_ | that is my driver file |
| 17:46.50 | _Dave123_ | gnarface: ls -l /dev/simfs |
| 17:46.54 | _Dave123_ | b-----x--- 1 root root 0, 47 Feb 18 07:54 /dev/simfs |
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| 17:47.18 | gnarface | simfs what's that? |
| 17:47.29 | _Dave123_ | OpenVZ VPS disk type i think |
| 17:47.34 | gnarface | OH |
| 17:47.37 | gnarface | this is a vps |
| 17:47.51 | gnarface | tons of stuff in /dev will be omitted from your view for security purposes |
| 17:48.03 | gnarface | i recommend get a real server and be happy |
| 17:48.25 | ravigehlot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:48.49 | gnarface | _Dave123_: i'm not even sure what you're trying to do but chances are you're not allowed to without root access on the HOST system the VPS is running on. |
| 17:49.01 | babilen | Ringo_: Ok, lets assume you have that chipset (the rtl8192su) -- could you install the firmware, run the second command (the modprobe ones) and paste the output of "dmesg|tail -20" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 17:49.03 | _Dave123_ | gnarface: i already got the hosting company to change it |
| 17:49.03 | xlemming | ravigehlot: you can switch to init 1, and then back to whatever your current runlevel is (init 3 or init 5) |
| 17:49.22 | ravigehlot | xlemming: How do I find out my current level? |
| 17:49.29 | gnarface | _Dave123_: sorry then, i don't really know OpenVZ |
| 17:49.47 | xlemming | ravigehlot: "runlevel" |
| 17:49.52 | ravigehlot | xlemming: thanks |
| 17:50.13 | Ringo_ | I will try it... I dont have a printer and it is this box I really should use virtual machines but am kinda a dinosaur |
| 17:50.24 | ravigehlot | xlemming: it says N 2. I will issue 1 and then how do I get back at 2? just init 2 then? |
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| 17:51.04 | xlemming | ravigehlot: yes, just make sure you have some sort of console access as init 1 is a single user mode |
| 17:51.19 | simon | can I upgrade from lenny to squeeze just by replacing lenny with squeeze in my sources.list? |
| 17:51.19 | Ringo_ | babilen, I will have to do it later tonight. Just realized the time |
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| 17:51.38 | ravigehlot | xlemming: meaning that once issued, it can only be changed locally, correct? |
| 17:51.52 | Arrowmaster | dpkg: tell simon about lenny->squeeze |
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| 17:52.38 | simon | thanks, Arrowmaster. |
| 17:52.52 | babilen | Ringo_: Ok. Just for the record: It looks as if your usb adaptor uses the rtl8192su chipset, for that to work you'll have to install firmware (aptitude install firmware-realtek) AFAICT it should be supported in the squeeze kernel. |
| 17:52.56 | xlemming | ravigehlot: exactly, i just mentioned it because if you're ssh'ed into the box or anything you end up cutting yourself off. you could always just restart the individual service you need, in addition, doing this won't load you a new kernel or anything |
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| 17:53.26 | ravigehlot | xlemming: fair enough. that's really good information. I appreciate it. thank you. |
| 17:53.36 | ravigehlot | xlemming: gotta walk to the box. brb |
| 17:53.55 | xlemming | ravigehlot: np, glad i can help, good luck |
| 17:54.04 | IanWizard | Ok, I have been reprimanded before for using repos other than the defaults that came with the install. so if I'm looking for something, that's a common (-ish) app, and not in the repos, what should I do? (And don't give me anything about compiling it myself and what not, because I can but I shouldn't have to.) |
| 17:54.30 | abrotman | IanWizard: such as? |
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| 17:54.46 | IanWizard | abrotman: handbrake is the current example |
| 17:55.19 | abrotman | IanWizard: is it in debian-multimedia.org ? |
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| 17:55.31 | abrotman | yes, they are |
| 17:55.38 | IanWizard | abrotman: I don't know, it probably would be. |
| 17:55.42 | Arrowmaster | it is |
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| 17:55.45 | abrotman | so use that? |
| 17:55.47 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 17:55.51 | wondiws | I'm using sid. Since a few days I can't use xterm anymore. |
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| 17:55.53 | IanWizard | abrotman: but I've been told not to add repos before. |
| 17:55.57 | wondiws | So, no I use gnome-terminal |
| 17:55.58 | abrotman | by who? |
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| 17:56.22 | abrotman | IanWizard: generally speaking, dmm and bpo are considered fine by many .. but doing something like mixing ubuntu/debian repos .. that leads to crying |
| 17:56.23 | wondiws | but I didn't expect xterm of all programs to be broken |
| 17:56.27 | lenswipe | debian seems determined to remove GDM, can someone help? http://pastebin.com/6gdMetBg |
| 17:56.30 | IanWizard | abrotman: I'm always told that using other repos is BAD, and that using google's was "acceptable" |
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| 17:56.49 | lenswipe | it keeps nagging me to run apt-get autoremove to remove gdm and a load of other crap too |
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| 17:57.15 | stew | lenswipe: which release of debian are you running? |
| 17:57.27 | _Dave123_ | Anyone in here ever set up quota on a VPS? |
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| 17:57.56 | abrotman | IanWizard: should i repeat myself? :) |
| 17:57.59 | IanWizard | abrotman: ok, well.. thank you, I knew it was fine, until I came one day, and it came up and everyone started yelling at me. |
| 17:58.02 | wondiws | I can still play OpenArena, I've tried a few programs I use, everythings fine, except for xterm... has anyone heard of this before? |
| 17:58.14 | IanWizard | abrotman: no, sorry :) |
| 17:58.27 | IanWizard | abrotman: thank you for the reassurance. |
| 17:58.48 | lenswipe | stew: squeeze stable |
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| 17:59.12 | jhutchins_lt | There are different degrees of support for different repos. Backports is official debian, but not perfect. multimedia has established a solid reputation for meeting debian's quality standards. Just finding a package using google doesn't have that reputation factor. |
| 17:59.51 | stew | lenswipe: if you want to keep those packages it wants to autoremove, mark them as not being automatically installed: apt-mark unmarkauto package1 package2 package3... |
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| 18:00.39 | lenswipe | stew: ok |
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| 18:01.23 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Have you done a full-upgrade recently? You might also want to see if aptitude -f install wants to do anything. |
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| 18:01.33 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt: thats a stock install |
| 18:01.37 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt: okay |
| 18:02.05 | jhutchins_lt | Remember, if aptitude suggests something you don't like, you can always say no and have it suggest something else. |
| 18:02.16 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt: "the following packages are about to be installed: gnome" <----That might fix things :D |
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| 18:02.28 | laidback_01 | anyone know how to get my login manager back to gdm? I switched to kdm, and man... I feel like it's a major mistake, every time I log out, I need to reboot the machine because it's a blank screen. |
| 18:02.29 | jhutchins_lt | Um, yeah. |
| 18:02.37 | stew | lenswipe: dpkg-reconfigure gdk |
| 18:02.40 | stew | err |
| 18:02.41 | homie | sometimes i'm getting several packages removed upon requesting a purge of pulseaudio libs with apt-get, put the -s flag does not indicate anything to remove, is that normal ? |
| 18:02.44 | lenswipe | stew: fixed it |
| 18:02.49 | stew | laidback_01: dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 18:02.50 | homie | s/put/but/ |
| 18:03.05 | lenswipe | stew: i was missing the "gnome" meta package |
| 18:03.20 | homie | a whole slew of kde packages got removed last time... |
| 18:03.26 | laidback_01 | stew thanks much |
| 18:04.10 | laidback_01 | wonder which is the right one... gdm or gdm3 |
| 18:04.40 | laidback_01 | often times they mark the version number of things when they are older versions in freebsd. that the case here? |
| 18:04.47 | stew | laidback_01: in sid/unstable there is no gdm, only gdm3 |
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| 18:05.20 | stew | laidback_01: in squeeze/wheezy, you can choose |
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| 18:05.48 | laidback_01 | using squeeze. gdm3 it is then... |
| 18:06.43 | jmd | Does anyone know how to enable the acpi functionality in squeeze? |
| 18:07.08 | homie | eheh, something is totally messed here, i tried to enable all other mixer channels in kmix, it succeeds but then clicking on the kmixer applet afterwards makes it crash |
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| 18:07.38 | homie | like say disabling the mute on line |
| 18:08.02 | homie | and i get no sound output with chuck either |
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| 18:08.22 | homie | not with the builtin chuck, neither with the self-compiled chuck from sources |
| 18:08.39 | homie | err, i mean distro-chuck not builtin.... |
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| 18:10.14 | homie | i get a terminate called after throwing an instance of 'RtError' |
| 18:10.14 | homie | message when running chuck with a demo.ck and then pressing Ctrl-C |
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| 18:12.30 | wondiws | I turned of KMS, and now I can use xterm again |
| 18:12.44 | wondiws | and I hope my display doesn't freeze up again |
| 18:12.57 | wondiws | like it did quite a few times the last two days |
| 18:13.08 | Jarvis | wondiws: you mean ksm? |
| 18:13.16 | wondiws | Kernel Mode setting |
| 18:13.24 | wondiws | I seem to have problems with my display |
| 18:13.30 | wondiws | But just the last two days |
| 18:13.41 | Jarvis | ah k |
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| 18:13.51 | wondiws | I have been using this machine with sid for months |
| 18:13.58 | wondiws | no problems until now |
| 18:14.06 | Jarvis | odd |
| 18:14.27 | wondiws | Perhaps an update... |
| 18:14.48 | wondiws | My notebook isn't in a good shape either though |
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| 18:15.18 | wondiws | I'm using an external monitor, and I removed the actual panel of the notebook... |
| 18:15.41 | wondiws | that does complicate setting up the display settings |
| 18:15.52 | Arrowmaster | ill bet |
| 18:16.43 | wondiws | I'm having difficulty right now! |
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| 18:17.11 | wondiws | I want to change my resolution to 1280x1024, but it saids my LVDS doesn't go higher than 1024x768 |
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| 18:17.30 | wondiws | It also says: LVDS connected |
| 18:17.35 | wondiws | while it obviously isn't |
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| 18:19.34 | pipeline | wondiws: the graphics card probably doesn't have any way to detect whether the internal lvds is connected |
| 18:19.37 | pipeline | wondiws: would be a waste of copper |
| 18:20.13 | pipeline | wondiws: as for the resolution problem, are you specifying an output when you try to set the resolution with xrandr? if not, it's gonna choose a default output to fool with. |
| 18:20.15 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
| 18:20.45 | wondiws | pipeline: I got it now with xrandr |
| 18:21.36 | pipeline | wondiws: specify your output correctly then :P |
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| 18:22.02 | wondiws | Maybe I should buy a new notebook |
| 18:22.09 | pipeline | wondiws: another possible problem -- old intel chipsets don't like to have the resolution set above VESA resolutions until the BIOS gets patched after boot... there's a package that used to handle thsi, i915resolution. I'm not sure that package is required anymore in modern debian |
| 18:22.15 | wondiws | this one is collapsing |
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| 18:22.47 | wondiws | I'm keeping the notebook together with sticky tape :( |
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| 18:32.50 | cusco | cantido: still there? I am using backtrack right now... and I have a usb dongle with debian net installer, and when I chose to load installer component rescue, there is no option to start it up |
| 18:33.12 | cusco | how would I start up rescue mode from within the installer ? |
| 18:33.37 | ravigehlot | xlemming: init 1 did initialize the services but it didn't bring back the network so I had to reboot the box..any clues? I would take that the network may be running on a different level? |
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| 18:35.33 | xlemming | ravigehlot: interesting, are you using the network manger, or the networking config file/init script? |
| 18:35.48 | ravigehlot | xlemming: good question...let me find out |
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| 18:36.28 | ravigehlot | xlemming: network-manager but it is in /etc/init.d |
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| 18:39.57 | Arrowmaster | ravigehlot: is this a server? |
| 18:40.17 | ravigehlot | Arrowmaster: I am using it as a development server. yes. |
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| 18:40.18 | xlemming | ravigehlot: hmm, not sure with network manger, it might be called through upstart on boot. I've also just noticed that networking doesn't come up on my box in the init levels properly either. sorry about that, probably due to debian not making a careful distinction between init levels. i wonder if upstart needs to be called separately |
| 18:40.35 | Arrowmaster | xlemming: this is #debian, debian doesnt use upstart |
| 18:41.03 | ravigehlot | xlemming: I agree with you. It's an upstart-job. Debian is making the movie to upstart-job for all its services (for what I know). |
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| 18:41.29 | ravigehlot | xlemming: if you edit network-manager on /etc/init.d, you will see the upstart-job comment on the 2nd line inside of that file |
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| 18:41.58 | Arrowmaster | !upstart |
| 18:41.58 | dpkg | i guess upstart is an event-based replacement for the /sbin/init daemon which handles starting of tasks and services during boot, stopping them during shutdown and supervising them while the system is running. http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/09/msg00003.html |
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| 18:42.34 | amoe | Hey, I'm using sid and I can't install audacity: " libsoundtouch0: Conflicts: libsoundtouch1c2 but 1.3.1-2 is installed. |
| 18:42.54 | Arrowmaster | hmm guess that factoid is a bit out of date |
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| 18:43.18 | homie | amoe: remove the installed bit before |
| 18:43.27 | homie | amoe: or use aptitude temporarily |
| 18:43.32 | amoe | However I can't remove libsoundtouch1c2 because gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad depends on it |
| 18:43.36 | amoe | I am using aptitude |
| 18:43.59 | homie | ok not unusual that deps are messy in debian |
| 18:44.01 | Arrowmaster | ravigehlot: network-manager can be rather weird at time, which is part of why its never used on servers |
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| 18:44.13 | derik | how i make a cluster with debian |
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| 18:44.26 | ravigehlot | Arrowmaster: what do they use it for servers? |
| 18:44.37 | jhutchins_lt | derik: Point at the "build cluster" icon and click? |
| 18:44.45 | homie | ameo: you could uninstall gstreamer too, i hope that's the last one you have to remove then... |
| 18:44.50 | homie | ameo: and install it later on |
| 18:45.03 | Arrowmaster | servers use the old tried and true method |
| 18:45.30 | Arrowmaster | configuring the interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 18:46.11 | Wilthril | hi guys |
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| 18:47.15 | amoe | homie: nah since that breaks totem, which then breaks gnome :) |
| 18:47.24 | homie | bleh |
| 18:47.26 | homie | lol |
| 18:47.31 | Wilthril | I have a debian with no window manager (i.e. only a terminal, so no network manager) and I'd like it to connect to a WPA2 AES Wifi network on startup, anyone knows how to do that? |
| 18:47.35 | homie | so what do you think todo then ? |
| 18:47.51 | ravigehlot | Arrowmaster: k |
| 18:47.59 | amoe | I'm just gonna install audacity from source until sid calms down a bit i think |
| 18:48.20 | homie | ok |
| 18:48.21 | amoe | Always have problems with the multimedia libraries for some reason... |
| 18:48.22 | stew | amoe: why not install packages from wheezy? |
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| 18:48.44 | Arrowmaster | Wilthril: have you installed wpasupplicant |
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| 18:48.59 | jhutchins_lt | !tell Wilthril about wifi |
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| 18:49.01 | xlemming | ravigehlot: i think you may run into the same issue, as the networking service may also be an upstart job, not sure how to get that to reload, it is supposed to work w/ the init levels still |
| 18:49.04 | amoe | stew: could give that a try I guess, I fear that a little bit |
| 18:49.04 | jhutchins_lt | Wilthril: http://www.nist.gov/aes |
| 18:49.28 | Wilthril | yes it's already installed |
| 18:49.30 | ravigehlot | @xlemming: no worries |
| 18:49.30 | Arrowmaster | xlemming: again, DEBIAN DOES NOT USE UPSTART |
| 18:49.32 | ravigehlot | thanks |
| 18:49.34 | Wilthril | ok i'll have a look thanks jhutchins_lt :) |
| 18:49.55 | derik | when it release debian 6 ? |
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| 18:50.09 | Arrowmaster | derik: already released |
| 18:50.17 | SerajewelKS | derik: /topic |
| 18:50.20 | derik | :D |
| 18:50.21 | derik | sory |
| 18:50.25 | derik | how i upgrade ? |
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| 18:50.31 | SerajewelKS | derik: /topic |
| 18:50.38 | Arrowmaster | dpkg: tell derik about lenny->squeeze |
| 18:51.16 | jhutchins_lt | Arrowmaster: Um, I thought upstart was in squeeze. |
| 18:51.24 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions upstart |
| 18:51.26 | judd | Package upstart on i386 -- sid: 0.6.6-1; squeeze: 0.6.6-1; wheezy: 0.6.6-1 |
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| 18:51.53 | Arrowmaster | it is but its not used by default and not suggested to be used by anybody thats not an expert that can work around breakages |
| 18:52.06 | homie | i used a lenny dvd, to first install lenny, then upgraded to squeeze, but i think the dvd packages depends causes conflicts etc here too |
| 18:52.18 | homie | i wish there is soon a squeeze dvd out |
| 18:52.27 | Arrowmaster | there is a squeeze dvd |
| 18:52.31 | SerajewelKS | homie: probably. you can break the dependency issues manually, usually. |
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| 18:53.20 | homie | Arrowmaster: i would really get an official one, if the payment procedure was not so weird... |
| 18:53.33 | homie | Arrowmaster: do they use paypal ? |
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| 18:53.39 | Arrowmaster | i dont know |
| 18:53.44 | Wilthril | I have AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (Atheros) and it's perfectly seen with lshw |
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| 18:54.02 | jhutchins_lt | !ar9285 |
| 18:54.02 | dpkg | The Atheros AR9285 PCI-E wireless LAN chipset is supported by the mainline ath9k driver since Linux 2.6.29. Ask me about <ath9k>. See also Debian bug #577555. |
| 18:54.09 | SerajewelKS | homie: do you have really awful bandwidth or something? |
| 18:54.24 | homie | SerajewelKS: ?? |
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| 18:54.34 | SerajewelKS | homie: you can download CD/DVD images for free, you know |
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| 18:54.53 | homie | SerajewelKS: i just can't burn them... |
| 18:54.53 | SerajewelKS | homie: unless you have awful bandwidth i would just go grab the DVD image off the website |
| 18:54.58 | SerajewelKS | homie: ah, gotcha |
| 18:55.00 | xlemming | Arrowmaster: i think the information I was providing was accurate for the individual needing help; but true, debian isn't using upstart yet. It was brought up because ravigehlot was changing init levels and some services didn't come back due to the fact that they were upstart jobs. |
| 18:55.06 | homie | SerajewelKS: i need a real dvd not iso images |
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| 18:55.19 | SerajewelKS | homie: right. though maybe a friend might be able to burn images? |
| 18:55.29 | Wilthril | yeah it's completely supported... I bought my hardware because it's supported ;) now I'd like to know the "command line equivalent" to network manager connecting to my Wifi network |
| 18:55.44 | homie | SerajewelKS: hmm, i'll just await for the dvd to appear in one of the linux magazines then.... |
| 18:55.48 | Wilthril | i guess i'll have to add some stuff to rc.local but i don't really know what |
| 18:56.09 | homie | SerajewelKS: cause this lenny->SQUEEZE thing i don't know.... |
| 18:56.15 | Arrowmaster | xlemming: that makes no sense at all, debian doesnt use upstart so there are no upstart jobs, also i dont think debian is ever switching to upstart |
| 18:56.24 | SerajewelKS | homie: gotcha. well, if you mail me a dollar i'll send you a dvd. :P |
| 18:56.32 | SerajewelKS | homie: or i can help you finish the upgrade |
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| 18:56.59 | homie | SerajewelKS: sending a dollar won't be the problem but is not allowed via mail i think... |
| 18:57.04 | homie | lol |
| 18:57.14 | SerajewelKS | homie: yeah, i was mostly joking. international mail would suck too. ;) |
| 18:57.17 | xlemming | arrowmaster: I know, but I think he was on ubuntu, as he said he checked the init script made reference to an upstart job |
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| 18:57.26 | derik | when it`s ready debian 7 ? |
| 18:57.28 | SerajewelKS | homie: however, if you pastebin the errors you get during the upgrade we might be able to help you complete it |
| 18:57.43 | Arrowmaster | if hes on ubuntu then he shouldnt even be here since any advice we give him is going to be wrong |
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| 18:58.05 | SerajewelKS | Arrowmaster: except "use debian instead," of course |
| 18:58.19 | homie | SerajewelKS: that's it it's not the errors i get when upgrading, upgrade went fine, but somehow i think maybe it would be cleaner install when started from squeeze directly .... |
| 18:58.43 | SerajewelKS | homie: ah, i see. it would probably be cleaner, yes. but if it works, why not use it? |
| 18:58.47 | xlemming | lol, no worries, just looking to be helpful |
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| 18:59.27 | homie | SerajewelKS: i use it, it works halfway thru..., now am getting the -dbg packages, cause i think i don't see any debug messages now |
| 18:59.35 | homie | the symbols are missing |
| 18:59.54 | SerajewelKS | homie: well unless you are trying to debug programs, you don't really need those :) |
| 19:00.15 | homie | SerajewelKS: well it helps sometimes to see what happened when some app crashes |
| 19:00.26 | SerajewelKS | homie: right |
| 19:00.47 | homie | last time kmix crashed i couldn't see anything... |
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| 19:03.08 | maher | if my wireless router is interfering with my cordless phone, does that mean there is something pretty seriously wrong with the router? |
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| 19:03.39 | thewanderer1 | maher: ##hardware |
| 19:03.50 | dvs | maher: ??? Most phones are DECT 6.0 ow |
| 19:03.52 | dvs | now |
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| 19:04.02 | maher | dvs: yes it is a dect phone |
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| 19:05.16 | homie | anyones having problems to access the alsa backend from programs ? |
| 19:06.18 | homie | i compiled alsa from sources, it's all worky unless i start some apps which i compiled to use the alsa backend but no sound from them... |
| 19:06.25 | homie | hmmm |
| 19:06.47 | homie | i'll try again to purge all pulseaudio libs and jack libs etc... |
| 19:07.34 | jhutchins_lt | homie: So you don't have a DVD burner? |
| 19:08.02 | homie | i have one burner, which is in a miserable state, i don't use it, plugged it off the pc even |
| 19:08.30 | homie | it does not recognize most of the dvd+-rw things here |
| 19:08.40 | homie | it's a dvd-ram device |
| 19:08.48 | homie | from lg |
| 19:08.49 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, |
| 19:09.05 | jhutchins_lt | homie: What about using a USB stick? |
| 19:09.18 | homie | i tried to flash the firmware under windows even to the latest versions of the firmwares, but none of them helped really |
| 19:09.56 | homie | jhutchins_lt: no, usb, is already full with my priv docs etc |
| 19:10.05 | jhutchins_lt | Actually, why not just net upgrade? |
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| 19:10.16 | homie | jhutchins_lt: if i'm gonna make a clean install i'll use the debootstrap method next time |
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| 19:10.55 | homie | jhutchins_lt: i already used net-upgrade |
| 19:11.09 | jhutchins_lt | So why the desire for a DVD? |
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| 19:11.24 | homie | jhutchins_lt: i just have one sources.list entry via ftp.de.debian.net and the cdrom that's all |
| 19:11.31 | amoe | woot, built audacity |
| 19:12.10 | homie | jhutchins_lt: well if things go wrong or so....and i have to reinstall having the right cd is better instead of going thru all updates again.... |
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| 19:17.12 | dutchfish | homie: you also might want a line for sec. updates, like deb http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates main |
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| 19:17.51 | achury | I need menu.lst options to boot squeeze, I was forced to install grub legacy as CD1 installer and rescue fails |
| 19:18.08 | homie | dutchfish: that nerves me with a secondary linux-image wich i don't want |
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| 19:18.20 | homie | dutchfish: else it's ok i think |
| 19:18.50 | homie | dutchfish: and it's a mystery to me if the linux-image contains any security updates, why they wouldn't put it on the main servers |
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| 19:19.02 | dutchfish | reminds homie that security fixes wont go into debian base repo till the next point release |
| 19:19.16 | homie | ah |
| 19:19.22 | homie | hmmm, ok |
| 19:19.29 | homie | i'll put that in |
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| 19:20.33 | jimcooncat | is there a mouse movement macro recorder available? |
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| 19:22.13 | jhutchins_lt | homie: Security updates are more urgent than regular package updates. Often they are superseded by regular updates eventually. |
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| 19:29.08 | chrisc | upgraded a machine from lenny to squeeze and now it has no network, anyone have any suggestions, it's got one a nforce ethernet card and the forcedeth driver... |
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| 19:31.10 | jkprg | hi. I'm making my first debian package using dh_make. I read distribution must be specified in changelog. It there another way how to specify distribution (let say during building of the package,....)? thx |
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| 19:33.06 | chrisc | is tempted to nuke the machine and reinstall lenny... :-| |
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| 19:34.47 | dutchfish | chrisc: is you nic listed in lspci ? |
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| 19:35.38 | chrisc | dutchfish: yeah |
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| 19:36.04 | chrisc | nVidia Corporation nForce2 Ethernet Controller (rev al) |
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| 19:36.19 | chrisc | oops (rev a1) |
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| 19:36.47 | dutchfish | chrisc: and what does 'ip -d addr' tells you? |
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| 19:37.31 | chrisc | dutchfish: if have lo, eth0 and pan0 |
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| 19:37.49 | chrisc | eth0 and pan0 are DOWN |
| 19:37.59 | dutchfish | chrisc: did you have dhcp configured in lenny? |
| 19:38.14 | dutchfish | chrisc: or static? |
| 19:38.30 | chrisc | i can't remember, it's a machine i last touched a couple of years ago - it's my sisters... |
| 19:38.46 | chrisc | dhcp i expect |
| 19:39.07 | dutchfish | chrisc: check 'cat /etc/network/interfaces" |
| 19:39.14 | chrisc | thought and upgrade to squeeze would be a quick job :-( |
| 19:39.30 | dutchfish | chrisc: well, did you read the release notes? |
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| 19:39.40 | chrisc | dutchfish: :-p |
| 19:39.46 | chrisc | of course now ;-) |
| 19:39.48 | chrisc | not |
| 19:39.52 | chrisc | 9_9 |
| 19:39.58 | dutchfish | face palm |
| 19:40.07 | chrisc | nods.... |
| 19:40.20 | chrisc | allow-hotplug eth0 |
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| 19:40.27 | chrisc | is all there seems to be |
| 19:40.33 | chrisc | and |
| 19:40.50 | chrisc | #NetworkManager#ifface eth0 inet dhch |
| 19:40.53 | chrisc | #NetworkManager#ifface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 19:41.03 | chrisc | #NetworkManager#iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 19:41.37 | dutchfish | chrisc: mm..i tought it was 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' mind the 1 i only |
| 19:41.47 | dutchfish | s/i/f |
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| 19:42.06 | dutchfish | k |
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| 19:42.09 | chrisc | yeah last line i typed is the one i have |
| 19:42.13 | dutchfish | ok |
| 19:42.20 | chrisc | but it's commented.... hmm |
| 19:42.30 | dutchfish | chrisc: uncomment it |
| 19:42.42 | karlpinc | What could keep grub from counting down and automatically booting? |
| 19:42.49 | chrisc | and the #NetworkManager bit? |
| 19:43.08 | dutchfish | chrisc: then 'ifconfig eth0 up' |
| 19:43.10 | karlpinc | I have a very odd problem. I've an old 1u box that when I boot (lenny) grub does not "count down" and boot. I think the hardware clock may be broken. Is this possible? Each boot if I go into the cmos the clock resets back to 1948 no matter what I set it to. It's not a problem except that all my fss always get fscked at every boot. (Then ntp comes up and fixes the time.) |
| 19:43.41 | karlpinc | I tried relpacing the cmos battery and that did not seem to help, although I just used a battery I got from another box not a new one. |
| 19:44.25 | chrisc | dutchfish: doesn't seem to have changed anything... |
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| 19:44.47 | dutchfish | chrisc: no error messages? |
| 19:44.53 | chrisc | no |
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| 19:45.05 | dutchfish | chrisc: i ment after the 'ifconfig eth0 up' |
| 19:45.21 | Bushmills | karlpinc: have you tried writing time to cmos clock manually prior to reboot? |
| 19:46.46 | chrisc | have vauge memories of all the problems this fucking nivida ethernet card and vid card have caused me years ago..... |
| 19:47.21 | dutchfish | chrisc: mm.. have you checked the persistent net rules withi udev? maybe they got messed up. |
| 19:47.34 | karlpinc | Bushmills: Yes. And it resets to 1948 whether I soft or hard boot. |
| 19:47.53 | karlpinc | Bushmills: Manually, via the bois setup screen. |
| 19:47.54 | chrisc | dutchfish: any idea how i would do that? |
| 19:48.18 | karlpinc | !70 |
| 19:48.18 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Squeeze, Lenny) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 19:48.23 | Bushmills | karlpinc: probably not a battery problem, as your machine isn't powered off during reboot |
| 19:48.47 | dutchfish | chrisc: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (you can deleted those, they will be recreated on next restart of udev or reboot of the machine) |
| 19:48.49 | karlpinc | Bushmills: I didn't think it was possible for a clock to break.... |
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| 19:49.11 | Bushmills | hwclock --systohc copies system time to cmos clock |
| 19:49.29 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: I had a problem with that that was driving me nuts, and I finally figured it out: Stuck key. |
| 19:49.38 | Bushmills | hwclock alone shows cmos clock then, for reference |
| 19:49.40 | karlpinc | Bushmills: There's a readme (somewhere) in debian that says don't do that. I forget the details. |
| 19:49.54 | chrisc | dutchfish: cheers, so i comment those lines out and do a reboot? |
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| 19:50.12 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: I tried unplugging the keyboard, although because it's a 1u it's got a strange adapter for kb/mouse/video all in one. |
| 19:50.13 | dutchfish | chrisc: well, just remove that file ... |
| 19:50.17 | chrisc | ok |
| 19:50.29 | chrisc | done... |
| 19:50.48 | dutchfish | chrisc: now either restart udev, or simply reboot the system |
| 19:51.05 | chrisc | restarted udev |
| 19:51.15 | laidback_01 | question about gdm3 login manager. Anyone know if it's possible to use the KDE4 window manager and the gdm3 login manager together? I can't sort out where to set the different sessions |
| 19:51.37 | dutchfish | chrisc: the restat networking '/etc/init.d/networking restart' |
| 19:51.46 | dutchfish | restart* |
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| 19:52.16 | chrisc | dutchfish: done, doesn't seem to have changed anything.... |
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| 19:52.43 | dutchfish | chrisc: mm... what kernel you have? 'uname -a' ? |
| 19:52.45 | karlpinc | Bushmills: I notice in the boot messages that come up on the console that there's a problem setting the hw clock. I've not tried messing with the init.d script and adding --directisa. |
| 19:53.14 | chrisc | dutchfish: 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 19:53.30 | dutchfish | chrisc: thats not squeeze's kernel i gues |
| 19:53.34 | chrisc | the other newer one wouldn't work at all -- no X11 |
| 19:53.39 | chrisc | ok, right |
| 19:53.56 | karlpinc | Bushmills: /usr/share/doc/util-linux/README.Debian.hwclock (0n lenny.) |
| 19:53.56 | chrisc | with this i have a lower screen res than i had b4 i started... |
| 19:54.34 | chrisc | it's the bloody nvidia vid card and well as their stupid ethernet card that's the problem.... grrrrr |
| 19:54.42 | dutchfish | chrisc: can you paste 'lspci -nn' to pastebin of that system? |
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| 19:54.53 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: However, I also have the box configured to use a serial console. Perhaps that's messing up the grub countdown. Somehow. The serial port is not plugged in. |
| 19:55.17 | Bushmills | karlpinc: "In both cases, hwclock --systohc will be called during system shutdown." so you better don't reboot if you want to avoid executing this |
| 19:55.30 | laidback_01 | question about gdm3 login manager. Anyone know if it's possible to use the KDE4 window manager and the gdm3 login manager together? I can't sort out where to set the different sessions |
| 19:55.32 | chrisc | dutchfish: urm, i'll go find a usb memory stick to put it on.... bbl |
| 19:55.42 | chrisc | dutchfish: thanks, be back in a bit..... |
| 19:55.43 | karlpinc | Bushmills: ) |
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| 19:56.02 | karlpinc | Bushmills: I guess the readme just says that doing it manually is pointless. |
| 19:56.17 | Bushmills | it isn't for checking whether the update was effective |
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| 19:58.02 | karlpinc | laidback_01: I've always used gdm with kde and don't see why gdm3 should be any different. Try it. |
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| 20:00.51 | laidback_01 | yeah, nevermind, I'm a dumba$$, I found it. |
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| 20:01.39 | mugwort13 | anyone gotten a t-mobile webstick (rocket 2.0) working w/ network-manager? I have it working proper with wvdial, but it suck to have custom script first disabling nm, then connecting to wvdial, then another script reverse that |
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| 20:03.38 | karlpinc | mugwort13: If you need a way to "talk" with a device you can use chat or expect. FYI. |
| 20:03.46 | karlpinc | !tell mugwort13 about anyone |
| 20:04.30 | worldi | uh? |
| 20:04.36 | worldi | !tell worldi about life, the universe and everything |
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| 20:04.42 | worldi | :( |
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| 20:05.34 | karlpinc | !tell worldi about selftell |
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| 20:06.13 | bocaneri | !tell bocaneri about selftell |
| 20:06.38 | bocaneri | .... oh. |
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| 20:06.49 | worldi | heh |
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| 20:09.26 | karlpinc | Bushmills: Good thought though. It's good to know it's not the battery. I think I'll try removing the serial console stuff and see if that matters. |
| 20:09.46 | chrisc | dutchfish: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/572327/ |
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| 20:11.34 | dutchfish | chrisc: mm.. the nic should work out of the box, are you sure your dhcp server is working? |
| 20:12.19 | mugwort13 | karlpinc: I apologise, I do not fully understand your first comment |
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| 20:14.08 | karlpinc | mugwort13: I don't know anything about network manager, but it has hooks to call programs you can use the 'expect' or 'chat' programs to interact with people/devices based on textual information transmitted back and forth. "aptitude show expect", etc. |
| 20:14.35 | chrisc | dutchfish: yeah i just yanked the ethernet lead from that machine stuck it in my laptop and it's fine |
| 20:15.04 | dutchfish | chrisc: ok |
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| 20:15.42 | karlpinc | mugwort13: s/it/if/ |
| 20:15.46 | chrisc | dutchfish: and i can't test with a later kernel cos it doesn't work with the nvidia vid card... |
| 20:15.52 | chrisc | hmmm |
| 20:16.03 | karlpinc | !tell chrisc about serial console |
| 20:16.05 | dutchfish | !tell chrisc about nvidia |
| 20:16.26 | chrisc | will never buy another nvidia product in his life.... |
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| 20:17.06 | chrisc | karlpinc: i don't have a serial lead (i'd need one i guess?) |
| 20:17.26 | mugwort13 | karlpinc: I see thank you |
| 20:17.35 | karlpinc | chrisc: No com0 output? !:-P |
| 20:17.47 | chrisc | urm |
| 20:18.49 | chrisc | tries another reboot with the squeeze kernel.... |
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| 20:19.36 | chrisc | yeah, no joy, just "Input not supported" flashing on the screen.... |
| 20:19.55 | thewanderer1 | chrisc: er... you're having problems with NVIDIA graphics in X.org? |
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| 20:20.14 | chrisc | thewanderer1: yeah and also NVIDIA ethernet.... |
| 20:20.21 | dutchfish | chrisc: can you put the old xorg.conf aside and try another reboot? |
| 20:20.27 | thewanderer1 | what graphics driver are you using at the moment? |
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| 20:20.42 | thewanderer1 | my nForce4 never worked well with nv, had to use nVidia proprietary drivers |
| 20:20.44 | chrisc | it was on in lenny, and i stupidly did a quick upgrade to squeeze without thinking abt what i was doing.... |
| 20:20.59 | chrisc | ment was ok with lenny |
| 20:21.14 | chrisc | thewanderer1: ok, guess i'll try that next... |
| 20:21.55 | chrisc | thewanderer1: fwiw, lspic: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/572327/ |
| 20:22.32 | chrisc | must have been using nv this machine has never been used for 3d |
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| 20:22.37 | thewanderer1 | chrisc: so what drivers are you using? also, this looks like old hardware... is it in fact old or have I imagined this? |
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| 20:22.48 | chrisc | thewanderer1: it's old, yep |
| 20:22.59 | tclarke | if this the correct channel to ask a question about creating my own apt archive? |
| 20:23.00 | chrisc | worked with lenny, doesn't with squeeze.... |
| 20:23.02 | thewanderer1 | are you on nv or nouveau? |
| 20:23.14 | chrisc | thewanderer1: nv it must me i expect |
| 20:23.22 | chrisc | how can i check? |
| 20:23.58 | thewanderer1 | er... it should be listed in xorg.conf |
| 20:24.14 | chrisc | 2.6.26-2 is the only kernel that actually works with this machine... |
| 20:24.22 | thewanderer1 | 2.6.32 doesn't? |
| 20:24.25 | chrisc | nope |
| 20:24.51 | chrisc | just get "Input not supported" flashing on the screen with all others |
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| 20:25.31 | thewanderer1 | but when? right after boot? then it would be KMS which is misbehaving |
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| 20:25.49 | chrisc | when gdm starts |
| 20:25.53 | thewanderer1 | oh. |
| 20:26.15 | chrisc | but crtl-alt-f1 etc don't get me a text login either |
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| 20:27.02 | _dreamy | !help |
| 20:27.02 | thewanderer1 | seen that... actually in my case, the screen was covered in white light patterns, I thought aliens were abducting me through the screen lol |
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| 20:27.15 | chrisc | just has "Configured Video Driver" in xorg.conf |
| 20:27.23 | thewanderer1 | anyway, my solution were the proprietary drivers |
| 20:27.35 | Corin | thewanderer1: I had that in Kubuntu! |
| 20:27.40 | thewanderer1 | install nvidia-glx-legacy and the corresponding kernel module for 2.6.32 and it should be fine |
| 20:27.48 | thewanderer1 | Corin: heh... Slackware here :P |
| 20:27.52 | _dreamy | where can i get some unstable debian repos? |
| 20:28.08 | thewanderer1 | !tell _dreamy about sid sources.list |
| 20:28.33 | thewanderer1 | !tell _dreamy about unstable |
| 20:29.03 | tclarke | if this the correct channel to ask a question about creating my own apt archive? |
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| 20:29.29 | thewanderer1 | tclarke: you could try #debian-mentors , they might be more reactive |
| 20:29.35 | tclarke | ok, thank you |
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| 20:35.55 | chrisc | ug, gcc version doesn't match current running kernel so i can't see how to install the proprietary drivers even :-| |
| 20:36.20 | thewanderer1 | eh, you should not run the installer from nvidia.com |
| 20:36.45 | chrisc | ah ok, there is a atp source i can use? |
| 20:36.48 | chrisc | apt |
| 20:37.14 | thewanderer1 | !tell chrisc about nvidia legacy |
| 20:37.18 | chrisc | ta |
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| 20:40.04 | _dreamy | thewanderer1: the debian unstable migth disrupt the sistem, but for has long has the bootloader is ok i dont mind because i got 2 linux.. ? |
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| 20:41.17 | chrisc | wonders how to get this machine to boot into runlevel 3 |
| 20:41.42 | thewanderer1 | chrisc: why would you need that? O.o |
| 20:41.55 | chrisc | well x11 doesn't work |
| 20:41.58 | thewanderer1 | and why are you following some SuSE tutorial? O.o |
| 20:42.05 | chrisc | hehe |
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| 20:42.23 | chrisc | when gdm starts that the machine becomes unusable |
| 20:42.29 | thewanderer1 | _dreamy: yeah I haven't heard of sid damaging the hard drive... but it is possible, so use with care |
| 20:42.36 | chrisc | just being able to boot and get a consol would be nice... |
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| 20:42.49 | thewanderer1 | chrisc: use the "single user" option in GRUB |
| 20:42.50 | chrisc | tries single user mode... |
| 20:42.56 | chrisc | nods :-) |
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| 20:44.59 | _dreamy | is the unstable debian 6.0 or 7.0? |
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| 20:46.08 | chrisc | thewanderer1: it's nouveau, how do i work out which version of nvidia-glx-legacy i need? |
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| 20:46.59 | thewanderer1 | chrisc: follow the link that dpkg gave you, it contains a mapping of hardware to driver version |
| 20:47.06 | chrisc | install the stuff i need for this with no ethernet is gonna be a pita |
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| 20:47.28 | chrisc | thinks he should get the sodding nvidia ethernet card working first... *sigh* |
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| 20:49.21 | chrisc | is tempted to chuck this box out of the window... |
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| 20:51.05 | chrisc | no ethernet drivers for linux on the nvidia web site these days and forthdeth doesn't work... think i might just instalkl lenny again |
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| 20:51.26 | smacnay | Is xorg in a state of upgrade flux in sid right now? |
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| 20:54.06 | demoss | hi all |
| 20:54.15 | thewanderer1 | smacnay: as far as I know, yes |
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| 20:56.08 | smacnay | thewanderer1, thanks - I was seeing a bunch of unresolved dependencies that have been there for some time. |
| 20:56.08 | demoss | if i install on my squeeze amd64 phpmyadmin and PMA do not add his config to apache2.conf it is problem debian or pple whoose config pkg of PMA ? |
| 20:56.34 | chrisc | what's PMA? |
| 20:56.43 | chrisc | oh ic |
| 20:57.04 | demoss | phpmyadmin |
| 20:57.19 | demoss | PhpMyAdmin = PMA ) |
| 20:57.24 | chrisc | right |
| 20:57.43 | chrisc | it get's included doesn't it via a Include line somewhere? |
| 20:57.46 | demoss | i test it on lenny and squeeze |
| 20:57.57 | chrisc | /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf is the config |
| 20:58.38 | demoss | in lenny PMA add his alias to apache2.conf, but on my squeeze PMA do not write alias config in apache2.conf |
| 20:58.39 | chrisc | demoss: add this to the virtualhost you want to use: |
| 20:58.41 | chrisc | Include /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf |
| 20:58.50 | demoss | i know it ) |
| 20:59.01 | demoss | it is not my ferst web server |
| 20:59.08 | chrisc | ok, sry |
| 20:59.10 | demoss | y i have 7 kvm ) |
| 20:59.32 | demoss | my working kvm working on lenny |
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| 21:00.47 | demoss | now i testing squeeze, as i can think - if PMA do not include his configuration in apache2.conf - it is problem pple whoose doing this pkg ? yes ? |
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| 21:01.05 | demoss | sorry for my bad english )) |
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| 21:07.20 | achury | Grub was not correctly installed with CD1, I put grub legacy using Puppylinux liveCD, but now the system boot to a ram disk with access to harddisk, Please someone send me the options I must to pass to squeeze kernel 486 |
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| 21:12.03 | cusco | hi |
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| 21:12.19 | cusco | if a md uuid changes how do I make grub know about it? |
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| 21:12.34 | cusco | uuid in /boot/grub/grub.cfg is not right... |
| 21:12.39 | cusco | it fails to boot |
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| 21:14.59 | dev001 | hi. does squeeze's version of pv-grub support ext4 as yet? older versions didn't, patches exist for Fedora afaict, but i've not yet found what the sit'n is for Debian. |
| 21:17.35 | cusco | dev001: yes it does |
| 21:17.44 | cusco | grub-pc |
| 21:17.46 | cusco | or grub2 |
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| 21:19.39 | dev001 | cusco: hi. gr8! i'm not yet a Debian user, and am clunking around the site & repos looking for commits. not very effectively, tbh ... might you know of any patch/commit/docs etc that state that? i'd like to pass on to a client to pass on to their host ... |
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| 21:20.59 | dev001 | ah cusco nm --> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=511121 |
| 21:21.09 | cusco | dunno. Im using ext4 |
| 21:21.14 | cusco | ok then |
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| 21:22.00 | dev001 | thx! |
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| 21:28.43 | davegb3 | anything obvious to check if apt-get install [anything] seg faults - new install from squeeze (on a remote VM, so exact install opts etc I don't know)? |
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| 21:32.29 | TheOne1 | davegb3: strace it? |
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| 21:32.43 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 21:32.51 | davegb3 | googles strace |
| 21:33.45 | latsni | davegb3: apt-get doesn't seg fault in virtualbox, what kind of vm do you use? how much ram does it have? |
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| 21:34.30 | davegb3 | TheOne1: latsni: thanks, that got it - ENOMEM. makes sense, I'm transferring a big file at the same time. |
| 21:35.03 | eptalon | Suppose I have a debian sid install, and I have a thin client connecting to that install with XDMCP (or similar), everythin will be running on the server (which runs the xserver, no)? |
| 21:35.29 | eptalon | As a consequence, the thin client will need only very little cpu power/ram? |
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| 21:42.28 | chrisc | dutchfis thewanderer1 thanks for your help earlier, i'm now doing a fresh squeeze install, hopefully this will do the trick.... |
| 21:42.52 | Saar | ipv6 depletion: http://xkcd.com/865/ |
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| 21:47.10 | karlpinc | eptalon: Yes. (But your terminology is bacwards, the thin client runs the xserver. The server runs the programs and X clients -- which tell the server with the keyboard/mouse/display to do the interface.) |
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| 21:48.26 | eptalon | karlpinc: so the thing that "shows the windows" will not "run the programs", and can therefore be a thin client. |
| 21:48.32 | karlpinc | eptalon: right |
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| 21:49.18 | thewanderer1 | wait what? the server runs an X server |
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| 21:50.00 | karlpinc | thewanderer1: The application server runs X clients. The X server runs X and no apps. |
| 21:50.24 | thewanderer1 | ah, yes |
| 21:50.34 | eptalon | thewanderer1: Machine A: Core i5, 8G RAM, several users; Machine B: AMD Geode, perhaps 32M RAM, a bit of "disk-on-chip", netboot |
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| 21:52.10 | eptalon | karlpinc: so will this work out? |
| 21:52.42 | karlpinc | eptalon: Duuno about 32M ram. |
| 21:52.58 | eptalon | I dont know how much ram exactly. |
| 21:53.15 | karlpinc | eptalon: Also if everybody netboots at once those who are playing video might experience problems due to network congestion. |
| 21:53.35 | eptalon | karlpinc: gigabit network, basically one client. |
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| 21:54.10 | karlpinc | eptalon: You can also use, iirc, 802.3ab to bond multiple nics to the core switch. |
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| 21:55.03 | karlpinc | eptalon: You might also want to consider disk throughput on the servers. More spindles. More controllers. Most boxes are io bound already. scsi is the answer. |
| 21:55.04 | eptalon | karlpinc: the core switch has 3 cables. 1- fw, 1xserver, 1xclient, 1xlaptop |
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| 21:55.36 | karlpinc | eptalon: That'd be if you put multiple nics in the app server. |
| 21:55.39 | eptalon | karlpinc: that thing is on a raid1, and a home setup |
| 21:56.26 | eptalon | karlpinc: I expect a bit of surfing, perhaps watching a video, and perhaps printing a text. |
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| 21:56.37 | karlpinc | eptalon: You might want to consider, say, X11vnc instead of xdmcp/X because it migrates live sessions between clients. |
| 21:57.03 | eptalon | karlpinc: there is only one client |
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| 21:57.39 | karlpinc | eptalon: Thin client, not X client. |
| 21:58.11 | karlpinc | eptalon: VNC does stuff like "walk around the house have your 'screen' follow you'. |
| 21:58.15 | eptalon | karlpinc: basically diskless amd geode |
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| 21:58.20 | DelphiWorld | hey guys |
| 21:58.25 | DelphiWorld | please i need advise |
| 21:58.31 | karlpinc | !tell DelphiWorld about ask |
| 21:58.34 | DelphiWorld | if i do make in a folder to make something |
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| 21:58.46 | DelphiWorld | how to save the result into a file? |
| 21:58.46 | eptalon | folder? |
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| 21:58.56 | karlpinc | result? |
| 21:59.08 | eptalon | DelphiWorld: what are you trying to make? |
| 21:59.14 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: you, mean, textual output of a make invocation? |
| 21:59.31 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: right |
| 21:59.36 | karlpinc | DelphiWorld: script |
| 21:59.40 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: you can use the script tool |
| 21:59.41 | DelphiWorld | eptalon: making a project like asterisk |
| 21:59.59 | DelphiWorld | how? |
| 22:00.09 | karlpinc | DelphiWorld: aptitude install script; man script |
| 22:00.11 | eptalon | DelphiWorld: first guess use "|tee file.txt" at the end. |
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| 22:00.19 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: it opens a new subshell and logs everything into a file, when you exit that shell you have a log file left after that. |
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| 22:00.28 | karlpinc | eptalon: script tees already |
| 22:00.33 | eptalon | ah. |
| 22:00.44 | eptalon | karlpinc: doe it screen also? |
| 22:00.45 | DelphiWorld | karlpinc: sory about man, but is mostly pissy for me :-P |
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| 22:00.51 | DelphiWorld | karlpinc: i can't read it using tts |
| 22:01.05 | karlpinc | DelphiWorld: Why not? |
| 22:01.18 | DelphiWorld | karlpinc: cause i'm blind and i use tts. |
| 22:01.19 | karlpinc | eptalon: I think screen does something similar, but much more too. |
| 22:01.39 | karlpinc | goes to rtfm about tts |
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| 22:02.09 | eptalon | karlpinc: screen is basically a detachable sub-shell |
| 22:02.42 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: note that script saves actual output to the tty so there's usually some crap (control codes) in the log |
| 22:02.44 | DelphiWorld | karlpinc: aptitude install script gave nothing... not found |
| 22:02.57 | jelly-home | ,info script |
| 22:02.59 | judd | No record of package 'script' in squeeze/i386. |
| 22:03.05 | jelly-home | ,file bin/script |
| 22:03.09 | judd | bin/script in squeeze/i386: bsdutils: usr/bin/script |
| 22:03.20 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: so it's in bsdutils package |
| 22:03.30 | karlpinc | DelphiWorld: Ah, sorry. Wrong package. |
| 22:03.42 | DelphiWorld | karlpinc: DUDE |
| 22:03.45 | DelphiWorld | karlpinc: see see see! |
| 22:03.52 | DelphiWorld | karlpinc: make | tee result.txt |
| 22:03.54 | DelphiWorld | worked! |
| 22:03.59 | DelphiWorld | don't need to complicate :-) |
| 22:04.10 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: tee only saves its stdin |
| 22:04.22 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: that's my need :-) |
| 22:04.24 | karlpinc | DelphiWorld: make 2>&1 | tee result.txt |
| 22:04.32 | karlpinc | DelphiWorld: You want stderr too. |
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| 22:04.46 | DelphiWorld | karlpinc: how? |
| 22:04.53 | karlpinc | DelphiWorld: make 2>&1 | tee result.txt |
| 22:04.54 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: you lose stderr if you don't redirect fd 2 to tee like above |
| 22:05.04 | DelphiWorld | lol |
| 22:05.09 | DelphiWorld | is confused :-) |
| 22:05.19 | babilen | !confuse DelphiWorld |
| 22:05.19 | dpkg | Yes, them was their badger tomorrow, DelphiWorld? Pants of the People's Republic of Tahiti with extra herring. |
| 22:05.45 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: should you stop bean pissy? |
| 22:05.46 | dpkg | DelphiWorld: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 22:05.51 | jelly-home | heheh |
| 22:05.56 | babilen | ;-D |
| 22:06.00 | karlpinc | DelphiWorld: dpkg is a bot. |
| 22:06.07 | DelphiWorld | karlpinc: lol i know |
| 22:06.09 | dvs | it alive@ |
| 22:06.09 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: freeswitch |
| 22:06.10 | dpkg | somebody said freeswitch was a media switching library scaling from a softphone, PBX to a powerful enterprise grade softswitch; support sip, iax2, google talk / XMPP, skype and H.323. Not in Debian, ITP filed as Debian bug #389591. |
| 22:06.16 | babilen | !lol |
| 22:06.16 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 22:06.38 | Canar | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.50 | stockholm | *evillaughter* |
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| 22:07.03 | cusco_ | hi |
| 22:07.06 | DelphiWorld | karlpinc: is me that teached dpkg about freeswitch |
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| 22:07.34 | jelly-home | that ITP is old and moldy by now |
| 22:07.42 | eptalon | DelphiWorld: the "standard" solution for that is Asterisk... |
| 22:07.55 | DelphiWorld | eptalon: sory :-) |
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| 22:08.16 | eptalon | dpkg: asterisk? |
| 22:08.16 | dpkg | Asterisk is an open source, cross-platform telephone Private Branch Exchange (PBX). It can be used with VoIP and PSTN services. http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+FAQ http://www.asterisk.org/ #asterisk on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:08.27 | DelphiWorld | epsilon: asterisk config file piss me off. i love XML. |
| 22:08.44 | cusco_ | asterisk can use xml |
| 22:08.46 | cusco_ | can use lua |
| 22:08.51 | eptalon | DelphiWorld: I didn't say it was easy to configure or use |
| 22:08.51 | cusco_ | can use ini style config |
| 22:09.03 | cusco_ | can use mysql configurations (called real-time configurations) |
| 22:09.08 | DelphiWorld | cusco: cause you have your eyes, right? |
| 22:09.08 | cusco_ | DelphiWorld: that is no excuse |
| 22:09.17 | DelphiWorld | cusco: for you. |
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| 22:09.32 | cusco_ | DelphiWorld: as I said, asterisk can also use xml |
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| 22:09.40 | DelphiWorld | cusco: how? |
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| 22:10.19 | cusco_ | hold |
| 22:10.19 | DelphiWorld | here we go aguin... lua i love it too |
| 22:11.14 | cusco_ | DelphiWorld: read /docs/extensions.xml |
| 22:11.29 | DelphiWorld | cusco: can't belieuv this! |
| 22:11.34 | VeGeTa-X | I have a dumb question I trying to learn linux and I have a test box which i have changed the dhco ip the address to a static address by editing the interfaces file on /etc/network and i have restarted teh network daemon and broght down the eth0and brought it back up again and it still has the the dhcp address can someone let me know hat i am missing. Thx |
| 22:11.41 | DelphiWorld | cusco: but only extension, where is sip config, directory config? |
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| 22:11.54 | DelphiWorld | cusco: i dislike the idea of puting sip peers and users in sip.conf |
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| 22:15.02 | karlpinc | VeGeTa-X: You used ifup/ifdown to bring the interface up/down? |
| 22:15.22 | karlpinc | DelphiWorld: You have no way of reading man pages? |
| 22:15.33 | DelphiWorld | karlpinc: ya, let me try it out |
| 22:16.12 | DelphiWorld | karlpinc: lol lol look |
| 22:16.23 | DelphiWorld | karlpinc: now i entred man screen but couldn't exit it :-) |
| 22:17.20 | jmarsden|work | DelphiWorld: Try the q key of your keyboard. Q for Quit. |
| 22:17.24 | karlpinc | DelphiWorld: man uses your pager to display the page. Normally this is "less". To get out you type "q". However, update-alternatives can change the default pager, "update-alternatives pager" does it. |
| 22:17.42 | DelphiWorld | ya i got out |
| 22:17.57 | DelphiWorld | but the man page isn't scrolable for me |
| 22:17.59 | karlpinc | DelphiWorld: If there's a tts pager then you could just change the alternatives to that and always have a pager you can use. |
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| 22:18.22 | bolt | how can I figure out if I'm on a 32-bit or a 64-bit system? |
| 22:18.23 | DelphiWorld | karlpinc: and i'm remotely connected so no luck |
| 22:18.30 | DelphiWorld | karlpinc: i use windows to connect to my debian box |
| 22:18.38 | karlpinc | DelphiWorld: If nothing else $PAGER does it. |
| 22:18.42 | karlpinc | DelphiWorld: Oh. :-( |
| 22:18.44 | jmarsden|work | bolt: uname -m |
| 22:18.45 | DelphiWorld | bolt: uname -a? |
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| 22:19.37 | jmarsden|work | DelphiWorld: uname -a displays all sorts of other info, uname -m shows just the machine type. |
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| 22:20.01 | bolt | DelphiWorld, jmarsden|work: is that portable? like, if I make a script that looks for x86_64 or i686 at the end of the string, will that be the architecture regardless of distribution? |
| 22:20.37 | jmarsden|work | bolt: It's portable at least in the Linux world, yes. Works on Fedora, CentOS, etc etc. |
| 22:20.48 | bolt | jmarsden|work: that's all i need. thanks a lot :) |
| 22:20.49 | jmarsden|work | Not sure about solaris and *BSD etc... |
| 22:20.50 | DelphiWorld | bolt: not sure, but look like uname is built in the kernel |
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| 22:21.34 | VeGeTa-X | karlpinc yes i did |
| 22:22.23 | karlpinc | VeGeTa-X: Dunno. You could pastebin the interfaces file and we could look. |
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| 22:22.43 | VeGeTa-X | karlpinc when I go to the gui I see the changes but when I go through the terminal it says old ip address |
| 22:23.53 | cusco_ | I need help regarding md uuid .... the uuid of my md device as changed but i can't make grub be aware of it |
| 22:24.16 | cusco_ | update-grub fails with grub-probe |
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| 22:37.17 | DelphiWorld | thanks guy for helping |
| 22:37.21 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: good night |
| 22:37.21 | dpkg | ZZZZzzzzZZZZzzzz |
| 22:37.31 | DelphiWorld | lol |
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| 22:38.20 | b52 | hey, i got after i upgraded to squeeze, seems like im unable to access the pseudo /dev devices correctly, no dev/null acces, dev/random etc |
| 22:38.24 | b52 | any idea what could be wrog? |
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| 22:44.10 | timack | #j #lisp |
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| 22:55.44 | nertilov | how to install build-essential from cd rom on debian |
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| 23:00.56 | babilen | nertilov: take a look at 'man apt-cdrom' |
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| 23:39.43 | _Dave123_ | Anyone in here got experience with dovecot and/or postfix?> |
| 23:40.23 | Bushmills | doing marketing research? |
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| 23:41.26 | dondelelcaro | _Dave123_: best to ask your question |
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| 23:44.22 | _Dave123_ | dondelelcaro: temporary failure |
| 23:44.25 | _Dave123_ | i see this in log file |
| 23:44.32 | _Dave123_ | /var/mail/mail.log |
| 23:44.41 | _Dave123_ | when doing a test as on |
| 23:44.46 | _Dave123_ | http://workaround.org/ispmail/lenny/test-mail-through-telnet |
| 23:45.00 | _Dave123_ | do you maybe see what might be wrong? |
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| 23:52.34 | dondelelcaro | _Dave123_: you'll have to actually show us the log message. |
| 23:52.41 | dondelelcaro | _Dave123_: use a paste site to do so |
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| 23:57.26 | gusto | hm |
| 23:57.50 | gusto | my urxvt is displaying that fine :-D |
| 23:58.51 | magyar | is ssh key auth a prefered method for admin to auth users? |
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