| 00:00.05 | Bushmills | it is a prefered method to auth users. |
| 00:00.25 | Bushmills | not sure what "for admin" means here |
| 00:00.28 | magyar | Bushmills: so who generates the keys? |
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| 00:00.43 | magyar | Bushmills: sys admin |
| 00:00.56 | Bushmills | the user can, and install his public key on the remote ssh server |
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| 00:01.24 | magyar | Bushmills: what if the user is using windows and has no clue how to go about |
| 00:01.39 | magyar | isn't it makes it more complex? |
| 00:01.55 | Bushmills | if he needs a private key generated for him, you need a conduit to securely transfer it to him |
| 00:02.04 | _Dave123_ | dondelelcaro: nvm |
| 00:02.07 | magyar | Can an admin generate the key and let the user password protect it? |
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| 00:02.23 | _Dave123_ | dondelelcaro: but i'm testing the new domain now, and somehow i dont get it back at hotmail, but it also doesnt arrive at my server |
| 00:02.38 | _Dave123_ | dondelelcaro: i checked /var/log/mail.log but i dont see any message relevant to that mail about it |
| 00:02.46 | _Dave123_ | dondelelcaro: any idea how I can best debug this?> |
| 00:02.55 | Bushmills | he can, to some extend (knowing what type of key the client is able to work with, and having a secure transfer channel) |
| 00:03.29 | magyar | Bushmills: does the admin generate the passphrase? |
| 00:03.38 | Bushmills | ehm .. user password protect it ... afaik no. passphrase is entered at key generation time |
| 00:03.42 | magyar | and pass is it to the user? |
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| 00:04.25 | Bushmills | i suppose if user is unable to create a key, he's also incapable to password protect it if he could do so |
| 00:04.33 | magyar | wow, that is a pain for the admin |
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| 00:05.14 | octanol | I'm wondering, what's the use of network interface aliases when you can set multiple IP address on a same network interface ? |
| 00:05.22 | magyar | lust let him ssh in and prevent sshd from password guessing, much easier |
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| 00:05.44 | magyar | two guesses and block |
| 00:06.14 | Bushmills | those users are deemed to be incapable of either remembering their password, or to pick a reasonable secure one. |
| 00:06.19 | magyar | s/lust/just |
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| 00:07.19 | magyar | Bushmills: so admin can generate the key, place it for the user and password protect, than send the prv key to the user |
| 00:07.21 | magyar | ? |
| 00:07.32 | Bushmills | i guess admin has more work with users who forgot their password than with users who lost their key |
| 00:07.33 | dondelelcaro | _Dave123_: in order to help you, we need to know 1) exactly what you're trying to do 2) all of the logs around the time that you're trying to do it |
| 00:07.51 | magyar | Bushmills: the key needs a password to |
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| 00:08.27 | magyar | so where is the bebefit? |
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| 00:08.30 | magyar | benefit |
| 00:08.40 | Bushmills | nobody remembers a key. |
| 00:09.17 | magyar | Bushmills: if the pass for a key is lost, the admin needs to generate a pair again |
| 00:09.28 | Bushmills | seeing someone enter the key passphrase when logging in doesn't compromise the access |
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| 00:09.54 | Bushmills | not unless the private key is stolen too |
| 00:10.24 | magyar | Bushmills: I agree with with two level security, I'm just trying to see the benefits |
| 00:10.48 | magyar | Bushmills: so how can i change the passphrase if a user forgets it? |
| 00:11.27 | cast | i tend to disable password logins |
| 00:11.27 | Bushmills | usually, the user would generate a new key pair, and place the public key on the server. |
| 00:11.34 | magyar | need a shot of bushmill |
| 00:12.12 | magyar | Bushmills: how can he place it, if he can't logon? |
| 00:12.26 | Bushmills | he could mail it to admin, with request to store it. |
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| 00:12.56 | Bushmills | he might have a complex password, as he's not tempted to simplify it. |
| 00:13.16 | magyar | Bushmills: got it |
| 00:13.28 | cast | on the rational that if someone can get at a 0700 file in $HOME [your private key], wheither its passworded or not, they can probably do whatever they want on your desktop, include keylog whatever passwords you type into ssh |
| 00:13.44 | magyar | the pita is, if the user does not know how to do that, the burden is on admin |
| 00:14.00 | magyar | and if there is a thousand lusers to manage |
| 00:14.04 | magyar | ouch |
| 00:14.22 | Bushmills | the admin could once document the process of key generation, so that all users benefit from it. |
| 00:14.37 | cast | keep in mind we're not talking windows users either :P |
| 00:14.43 | magyar | bonus, that makes the most sense |
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| 00:14.47 | cast | ssh keys are relatively trivial, for vi/emacs users |
| 00:15.18 | magyar | Bushmills: one thing, how does the admin know if the key is passphrase protected? |
| 00:15.26 | Bushmills | he doesn't. |
| 00:15.38 | magyar | heheh, that sucks |
| 00:15.55 | Bushmills | if admin needs to protect against users, he can lock out users |
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| 00:16.49 | Bushmills | as soon a user can log in, with or without passphrase on private key, some trust must be extended to user |
| 00:17.17 | Bushmills | consider a system with user logins as potentially compromised :) |
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| 00:17.29 | magyar | would b nice if the admin could verify if there is a passphrase on the key |
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| 00:17.57 | magyar | than it's a win-win |
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| 00:19.33 | cast | they'll probably cache the passphrase with ssh-agent |
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| 00:20.00 | cast | an admin could verify that keys have a passphrase, though, not so much worth the effort |
| 00:22.14 | _Dave123_ | Does anyone know how I can best test from outside if there is a firewall preventing access to port 25? |
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| 00:23.16 | Bushmills | _Dave123_: netcat. listener on server side, talker on client side |
| 00:23.39 | _Dave123_ | Bushmills: how i open again iwth netcat? |
| 00:23.58 | Bushmills | "again"? first time should be sufficient |
| 00:24.32 | Bushmills | otherwise, repeat the previous invocation |
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| 00:28.30 | cast | netcat is a wonderful tool, i wish more people would use it |
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| 00:29.43 | Bushmills | linux has a plethora of excellent tools |
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| 00:34.03 | cast | linux....thats being a bit specific :P |
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| 00:34.30 | cast | so does kfreebsd, though, i think we mean something bigger, |
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| 00:34.39 | Bushmills | i had to find a middle ground between "unix" and "debian" :) |
| 00:35.05 | cast | i like *nix, it seems to convey the idea |
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| 00:35.41 | Bushmills | i tend to use the name "unixoids" |
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| 00:39.27 | Bushmills | "unixoid" as in contrasting, or not being limited to "unix" |
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| 00:39.52 | simonrvn | !test |
| 00:39.52 | simonrvn | hm |
| 00:39.52 | dpkg | Test failed. |
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| 00:53.22 | chico_joven | hello |
| 00:53.24 | axolx | hi -- how can i tell rsync to only copy new files (don't update any files, even if fresher timestamp in source)? i promise i spent a fair amount of time googling & reading rsync man page :) |
| 00:53.24 | chico_joven | here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch02s01.html.en at 2.1.1 it says debian support ELEVEN major distributions but if you count the left column there are ten |
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| 00:55.01 | dvs | oh, alpha is gone |
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| 00:56.01 | daemonkeeper | As is the architecture in general |
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| 00:57.42 | chico_joven | what? |
| 00:58.43 | dvs | debiannn: I think alpha was the arch that was taken out this time around. |
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| 00:59.13 | debiannn | dvs, so better i report to debian documenation team of this little bug? |
| 00:59.31 | dvs | if you want |
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| 01:00.56 | willwork4foo | Hi all - anyone here familiar with wpa_supplicant? |
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| 01:01.14 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 01:04.17 | willwork4foo | OK... I am really struggling to get wpa_supplicant working on Ubuntu 10.10 server. I have 3 wlan interfaces and I am trying to get them all to autoconnect to my WPA2-personal network (WPA-PSK with TKIP encryption) so that I can then bond them using the /etc/network/interfaces file. I have been hunting for a howto that actually WORKS for around 3 hours. |
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| 01:04.26 | willwork4foo | Does anyone know of a howto that makes sense and isn't wrong? |
| 01:04.42 | Devastator | willwork4foo this is debian |
| 01:04.57 | Devastator | you should go in #ubuntu |
| 01:05.20 | willwork4foo | I am aware of that - but ubuntu is debian-based, and uses the same network config (ignoring the network-manager that the gui version gives) |
| 01:05.29 | simonrvn | !debian-based |
| 01:05.29 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 01:05.53 | uoods | wonders how many debian people go to #ubuntu and ask questions |
| 01:05.59 | cast | willwork4foo: you'll want to download the first install dvd from debian.org |
| 01:06.25 | simonrvn | uoods: i suspect not many at all |
| 01:06.30 | willwork4foo | cast, to be honest - I think I'm going to do that. Ubuntu is really beginning to annoy me on this server. |
| 01:06.35 | simonrvn | unless they were actually running it |
| 01:06.52 | willwork4foo | I take it I can create an install USB stick using Debian in the normal way with unetbootin or something? |
| 01:06.55 | simonrvn | willwork4foo: cool. i think you'll be happy |
| 01:06.56 | cast | the concept of an ubuntu server makes as much sense as a windows server to me :\ |
| 01:07.06 | simonrvn | cast: agreed |
| 01:07.14 | cast | willwork4foo: well, with debian stable you can just dd the ISO straight onto the USB drive |
| 01:07.26 | uoods | haha debian users asking #ubuntu is like an adult asking a 5 year old |
| 01:07.30 | willwork4foo | OK. that'd be bs=8192 I take it. |
| 01:07.44 | uoods | shuts up, enough offtopic |
| 01:08.06 | cast | willwork4foo: bs= isn't important, unless you are pressed for time and already know the right value |
| 01:08.26 | simonrvn | uoods: #debian-offtopic |
| 01:08.33 | willwork4foo | ok fair enough |
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| 01:10.20 | willwork4foo | So - #debian-ontopic - this is a conceptual question: Is it entirely possible to configure my three wlan interfaces on a debian-stable install to automatically connect to a WPA2 network at boot, and then using ifenslave-2.6 bond them together into a fault-tolerant single logical interface? |
| 01:10.26 | willwork4foo | Or am I wasting my time with this effort? |
| 01:11.12 | Bushmills | willwork4foo: ubuntu comes with more proprietary drivers than debian, and especially with WLAN, ubuntu may be easier for poorly supported devices |
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| 01:11.53 | simonrvn | firmware-linux |
| 01:12.25 | willwork4foo | Bushmills, the hardware support I am fairly sure will not be an issue - these wlan devices are all natively supported by the kernel |
| 01:12.32 | simonrvn | installs the free and non-free firmware blobs from the upstream linux kernel |
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| 01:13.02 | willwork4foo | the question is purely about whether it's POSSIBLE to actually do this, given the presence of working wlan interfaces. |
| 01:13.28 | willwork4foo | I'm getting really annoyed by how difficult this is becoming, since it was supposed to be a fairly basic endeavour :) |
| 01:13.59 | willwork4foo | annoyance directed at disparate and confusing ubuntu documentation written by idiots, hence why I am currently downloading Debian CD1 |
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| 01:15.44 | simonrvn | should be easy enough. you're just looking at bonding them, right? |
| 01:16.08 | willwork4foo | well - the biggest issue I've got so far is actually configuring wpa_supplicant |
| 01:16.23 | simonrvn | i haven't had a need to do this, but it's not hard. ok |
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| 01:16.42 | willwork4foo | I have never done it before - I've been using Solaris on a wired connection for ages, and now I need to move this box up and out of the way of my exploring kids |
| 01:17.15 | willwork4foo | this means putting it well and truly out of reach - needing to put it on my wifi network. Solaris wifi is not working for the hardware I have, so I am moving to Linux for the server |
| 01:17.27 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 01:17.33 | willwork4foo | (Linux is already my main frontend system on my laptop - I run FC14) |
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| 01:18.56 | willwork4foo | OK, I'm going to leave this download running and go to bed - it's nearly 1:30am and I can't do all-nighters any more....! |
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| 01:20.02 | Pikel | I set up a wireless connection in 'Network Connections' but I can't figure out how to actually bring the interface up. |
| 01:20.13 | daemonkeeper | Wimp! |
| 01:20.26 | willwork4foo | Pikel, ifconfig <interface> up |
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| 01:20.45 | willwork4foo | daemonkeeper, I have 3 kids - youngest is 18 months, and he has no mercy for tired heads |
| 01:21.07 | daemonkeeper | So you won't sleep anyway :p |
| 01:21.21 | willwork4foo | he's sleeping at the moment - call it an external biological alarm clock |
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| 01:23.47 | epeen | is there any way to get an image viewer to adhere to the current order of images in my file browser? |
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| 01:25.29 | willwork4foo | epeen, does the order follow any kind of sorting sequence? |
| 01:25.45 | willwork4foo | as in - 001.jpg 002.jpg 003.jpg 004.jpg |
| 01:25.48 | nutron | am I missing something somewhere with permissions? |
| 01:26.00 | willwork4foo | nutron, possibly... |
| 01:26.09 | willwork4foo | nutron, what does ls -l tell you about the file |
| 01:26.09 | nutron | ugh, sorry heh, didn't mean to hit enter. |
| 01:26.14 | willwork4foo | haha |
| 01:26.21 | nutron | Totally incomplete thought. |
| 01:26.30 | epeen | willwork4foo, no, they're in order of date created. starting with the most recent. |
| 01:27.01 | willwork4foo | epeen, gimme a sec |
| 01:28.04 | willwork4foo | ls -t1 > orderlist.txt will give you an ordered list - then you can get your image viewer to open files in that list order |
| 01:28.14 | willwork4foo | what you using - eog? |
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| 01:28.24 | Pikel-2 | ok, lets try this again ... |
| 01:28.47 | willwork4foo | wb Pikel-2 |
| 01:28.59 | Pikel-2 | I set up my wireless card in 'Network Connections' but I have no idea how to actually bring the interface up |
| 01:29.05 | Pikel-2 | ty willwork4foo |
| 01:29.16 | slie | you will need the command to use DHC{ |
| 01:29.22 | slie | DHCP |
| 01:29.36 | slie | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.46 | slie | pikel-2, did you get that? |
| 01:29.46 | willwork4foo | epeen, that "ls -t1 *.jpg" (or whatever) will put a date-ordered list of the image files in a text file... then you can script eog to open those files one at a tiem |
| 01:29.47 | willwork4foo | time |
| 01:30.02 | willwork4foo | epeen, you looking for a slideshow that opens those files one by one for a period? |
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| 01:30.36 | Pikel-2 | slie: I don't have /etc/init.d/networking |
| 01:31.02 | epeen | willwork4foo, i'm looking to go through the images like normal. |
| 01:31.21 | willwork4foo | epeen, ok... |
| 01:31.30 | Pikel-2 | wait ... I found it |
| 01:31.41 | willwork4foo | epeen, not sure but I think things like shotwell will order images by date |
| 01:31.46 | willwork4foo | and I know picasa does |
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| 01:32.10 | epeen | those are local image viewers? |
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| 01:32.36 | megana | is debian 6.0 lenny? |
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| 01:34.02 | willwork4foo | epeen, shotwell is a good photo manager |
| 01:34.07 | willwork4foo | picasa is google's attempt at one ;) |
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| 01:36.09 | slie | pikel-2, damn then |
| 01:36.36 | slie | pikel-2, look for your dhcp in your /etc dir |
| 01:37.05 | slie | maybe dhcp3 or three if not youl have to load your hosts file andyou config firl manually |
| 01:37.54 | slie | pikel-2, are you sure you don't have dhcp3? |
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| 01:39.27 | Pikel-2 | slie: isc-dhclient-4.1.1-P1 is what I have .... It's up but it won't connect to my wireless |
| 01:40.28 | slie | Pikel-2, what distro are you running? |
| 01:40.38 | Pikel-2 | debian6 |
| 01:41.12 | slie | Pikel-2, do you know your wireless cards interface |
| 01:41.23 | Pikel-2 | slie: wlan0 |
| 01:41.53 | slie | Pikel-2, okay do me a favor and "cd /etc/init.d" |
| 01:42.12 | slie | and ls see if you see networking |
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| 01:44.20 | Pikel-2 | slie: 20:31 < Pikel-2> wait ... I found it |
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| 01:46.11 | Pikel-2 | slie: http://dpaste.com/449960/ wlan0:avahi is what I get after I run 'dhclient wlan0' |
| 01:46.39 | slie | pikel-2, " ./networking start wlan0 " |
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| 01:47.30 | Pikel-2 | I did that and it did nothing |
| 01:47.37 | slie | yeah if you want to run your dhclient just do the method that i showd you it does the same thing |
| 01:48.14 | slie | pikel-2, okay then go into your /etc dir and look for the dhcp3 and run that |
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| 01:48.54 | slie | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:48.57 | Pikel-2 | ./etc/ contains no binaries, just config files |
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| 01:51.06 | Pikel-2 | and I don't have dhcp3 installed, I have ics-dhcp version 4 installed |
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| 01:53.50 | debian-newguy | hi guys |
| 01:53.56 | debian-newguy | im new to linux |
| 01:53.58 | debian-newguy | and wondered |
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| 01:54.39 | debian-newguy | if i was going to add a user for a daemon service would that be adduser -M bob |
| 01:54.57 | debian-newguy | but wondered i been looking through the man page i can specify the group aswell? |
| 01:55.32 | Pikel-2 | -g GROUP-NAME |
| 01:55.58 | Pikel-2 | ex: adduser -M bob -g bobsgroup |
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| 01:56.50 | debian-newguy | ahhh |
| 01:56.59 | debian-newguy | to run an irc daemon |
| 01:57.04 | debian-newguy | would i need to look into the start-stop-daemon |
| 01:57.09 | debian-newguy | to handle all of this? |
| 01:57.14 | debian-newguy | alot of new information i been taking it! |
| 01:57.16 | debian-newguy | in |
| 01:57.34 | Pikel-2 | debian-newguy: most come w/ their own local start-stop scripts ... just run the ircd as a non-root user |
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| 01:57.56 | Pikel-2 | debian-newguy: on my gentoo and freebsd boxes, I have an ircd acct that runs my ircd(s) |
| 01:58.11 | User_007 | Hello guys! |
| 01:58.17 | debian-newguy | got you :) is the add user -m -g flags the way most people would add a user and group for an irc daemon |
| 01:58.35 | User_007 | Did anyone know how to change from arm to armel using apt? |
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| 01:59.15 | Pikel-2 | debian-newguy: personally, I've always used the slackware adduser script, it acts you all the questions you need and does all the legwork for you ... I do not know if it is available w/ debian tho |
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| 01:59.41 | debian-newguy | i havnt used slackware since version 8 |
| 01:59.52 | debian-newguy | the package dependencies drove me mad |
| 01:59.53 | debian-newguy | i feel for you |
| 01:59.54 | debian-newguy | lol |
| 01:59.57 | Pikel-2 | lol |
| 02:00.20 | debian-newguy | debian gets it right 99% of time |
| 02:00.28 | debian-newguy | sometimes strange things happen |
| 02:00.41 | Pikel-2 | slackwares adduser script is just that a script ... written in BASH |
| 02:00.53 | marklde | I have a multi-page pdf which is a court document; I need to do an OCR on it. Right now I have to use pdftk to grab pages; pdftoppm; convert ppm to tif; bring it up in gimp and crop out the line numbers; and finally tesseract on the modified tif. Any ideas for streamlining this process?? |
| 02:00.55 | Pikel-2 | so no real deps as it was easily ported to gentoo many years ago |
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| 02:01.36 | Pikel-2 | so deps arn't the issue there ... |
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| 02:14.30 | r\wWorld | marklde, VMware -> Windows -> Abbyy |
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| 02:17.52 | Gnudoll | In what way does the laptop battery info differ in squeeze from Lenny? |
| 02:17.57 | un214 | I can't find it documented anywhere that irc as root doesn't work in #debian |
| 02:18.11 | un214 | I only found out after encountering it |
| 02:18.15 | Gnudoll | and can this be made backwards cmpatable with symlinks? |
| 02:18.23 | bolt | un214: doesn't work how? |
| 02:18.40 | un214 | bolt: try it you get a message about being banned |
| 02:18.45 | bolt | un214: it's considered a very, very bad thing to do |
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| 02:19.03 | bolt | un214: you shouldn't do anything as root which doesn't have to be done as root |
| 02:19.19 | bolt | un214: irc'ing definitely isn't one of the things you have to do as root |
| 02:19.24 | un214 | well I encountered it when the system was broken |
| 02:19.38 | un214 | only sulogin would let me in |
| 02:20.25 | un214 | besides, when's the last exploit against sirc? |
| 02:20.29 | Gnudoll | un214: you could not su to a regular user once logged in as root? |
| 02:20.51 | un214 | yes I could |
| 02:20.54 | slie | just type exit |
| 02:20.58 | slie | while you are su |
| 02:21.03 | bolt | then it's better to find another machine to request help with. that makes it easier to communicate while rebooting and other recovery tasks anyway |
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| 02:21.17 | un214 | but it's completely non-obvious you need to do that when you get the ban message |
| 02:21.44 | bolt | which "ban message" would that be? |
| 02:21.59 | Gnudoll | forgive me but I would think not irc'ing as root would be obvious. . . |
| 02:22.31 | un214 | "Can't join #debian, banned from channel" |
| 02:22.44 | un214 | is all it tells you if you try as root |
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| 02:23.02 | un214 | Gnudoll: it would be |
| 02:23.05 | Pikel-2 | irc'irc as root is foolish at best |
| 02:23.09 | Pikel-2 | irc'ing* |
| 02:23.10 | Gnudoll | well, back to my situation: has anyone looked at the differences between the battery info in Lenny and Squeeze? |
| 02:23.25 | marklde | r\wWorld: thanks for the suggestion |
| 02:23.32 | marklde | r\wWorld: any idea if it works with wine |
| 02:23.45 | slie | feed me |
| 02:23.57 | un214 | incidentally without much other option I su'd to bin which is hardly safer |
| 02:24.03 | Gnudoll | feeds slie |
| 02:24.13 | r\wWorld | marklde, http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=4598&iTestingId=11376 |
| 02:24.25 | bolt | doesn't see root@<anything> as banned from #debian |
| 02:24.35 | slie | gnudoll, mmm goood |
| 02:24.41 | un214 | with what I broke I'm kinda surprised that username lookup even worked |
| 02:24.47 | unomo | whats debian mean? |
| 02:24.55 | un214 | deborah + ian |
| 02:25.08 | unomo | really? |
| 02:25.25 | un214 | yes |
| 02:25.25 | slie | i'll bet define:debian in google would get you faster and better results... |
| 02:26.11 | marklde | r\wWorld: kind of expensive :P |
| 02:26.21 | un214 | bolt: have you tried it |
| 02:27.14 | r\wWorld | marklde, trial version ? |
| 02:28.55 | marklde | r\wWorld: ah, I didn't notice-- I should look more :-) thanks again |
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| 02:34.00 | Gnudoll | seeing no hint of info, I'll ask again: what would the differences be between Squeeze and Lenny with regard to the laptop battery info? |
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| 02:34.34 | cantido | Gnudoll: it comes from ACPI either way I think |
| 02:34.42 | Gnudoll | hardinfo worked in Lenny as far as detecting the battery in my laptop, but squeeze is not detecting it at all |
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| 02:35.18 | Gnudoll | yes, but *something* has to have changed. . . |
| 02:35.42 | Gnudoll | formatting of the data? |
| 02:35.55 | Gnudoll | data put in a different place? |
| 02:36.49 | cantido | Gnudoll: look in /sys .. I'm pretty sure the battery info is in there |
| 02:37.01 | cantido | I dont have a battery at the moment so I couldnt tell you where |
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| 02:37.26 | Gnudoll | the battery info *is* in /sys now |
| 02:37.48 | unkmar | Ok, this site states that the parallel Zip 100 will work. How? http://www.iomega.com/europe/support/english/documents/10657e.html |
| 02:37.53 | Gnudoll | but where is hardinfo looking? |
| 02:38.11 | Gnudoll | perhaps in /proc? |
| 02:38.34 | cantido | Gnudoll: is hardinfo a script? |
| 02:38.45 | Gnudoll | package |
| 02:38.50 | cantido | unkmar: any reason you want to use that? |
| 02:39.12 | r\wWorld | marklde, no problem |
| 02:39.38 | unkmar | cantido: $$$. To recover the data for a customer. |
| 02:39.44 | cantido | Gnudoll: I mean, if its a script.. you should have a look at what its doing to get the battery info |
| 02:40.07 | Gnudoll | compiled binary |
| 02:40.11 | unkmar | I guess I could just connect the thing to a Windows computer. :( |
| 02:40.30 | zhanshime-root | help,How to install the fingerprint reader on my thinkpad |
| 02:40.41 | cantido | unkmar: ah,.. I'm sure you can use it. I've seen the option for the drivers a few times. IIRC it works as a scsi device or something |
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| 02:41.09 | marklde | zhanshime-root: maybe there's something called thinkfinger |
| 02:41.52 | Gnudoll | zhanshime-root: are you looking for a driver or how to read it? |
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| 02:42.38 | zhanshime-root | how to install it? |
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| 02:45.00 | Gnudoll | zhanshime-root: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_enable_the_fingerprint_reader |
| 02:45.14 | Gnudoll | hope that helps? |
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| 02:49.56 | zhanshime-root | thank you ,let me have it a try |
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| 02:52.00 | Gnudoll | cantido: regarding hardinfo: http://packages.debian.org/stable/hardinfo |
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| 02:56.01 | marklde | zhanshime-root: I used to use thinkfinger with my t42, but found it somewhat unreliable -- especially if my finger was not in perfect clean condition. Now thinkfinger has been abandoned and the fprint project is alive, I guess, although I don't see it in debian. |
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| 02:56.06 | unkmar | still scratching head. How might I tell it to eject the disk in the ZIP drive? |
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| 02:56.26 | unkmar | meuon? |
| 02:56.33 | cantido | unkmar: eject maybe? |
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| 03:01.18 | unkmar | cantido: "eject /dev/lp0" and "eject -s /dev/lp0" aren't working. |
| 03:01.49 | unkmar | It has been attempting to mount the disk at /dev/sda but fails. |
| 03:01.50 | cantido | unkmar: does the driver not create a special node? |
| 03:02.03 | cantido | unkmar: eject /dev/sda then.. |
| 03:02.24 | unkmar | cantido: unable to find or open device. |
| 03:02.51 | unkmar | cantido: /dev/sda is not being created or is being removed after the failed mount. |
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| 03:03.51 | unkmar | cantido: I do not have any /dev/sd* devices. |
| 03:04.20 | yoshio | unkmar, is your drive listed in /proc/partitions? did you try eject -s ? |
| 03:04.40 | unkmar | no |
| 03:04.44 | unkmar | yoshio: no. |
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| 03:05.12 | unkmar | yoshio: and yes, I attempted -s |
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| 03:05.25 | matt4 | hi guys -- so when I'm using debian |
| 03:05.35 | matt4 | with xfce, I often want to paste the selection |
| 03:05.53 | matt4 | it seems I cannot do it sometimes any way but with the middle mouse click.... so question: how can I do it with keyboard? |
| 03:06.09 | matt4 | s/sometimes// |
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| 03:07.01 | yoshio | matt4, does shift-INSERT work? |
| 03:07.22 | matt4 | yoshio: it does, but it does not paste the stuff that can be pasted with the middle mouse click |
| 03:07.45 | matt4 | it pastes stuff that's been copied with control c, not the stuff that's been pasted with the mouse cursor |
| 03:07.56 | matt4 | s/been pasted/ been selected/ |
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| 03:12.33 | banga | I'm reading the instructions on Squeeze Backports, and I just wanted to confirm with someone using them that security updates get added with apt-get update & upgrade? |
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| 03:45.57 | sanjoyd | I'm getting 403 errors when running apt-get update. Are the servers down? |
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| 03:54.26 | studentz | Hi there I'm a beginner :) is this the right place for q? |
| 03:55.05 | dvs | !ask |
| 03:55.05 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 03:55.47 | tharkun | studentz: if q == questions concerning debian you are at the place |
| 03:57.17 | studentz | Ok Dual boot: HD one Ubuntu, HD two storage, HD three debian. HD two is encrypted, but I cannot open from debian |
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| 04:00.04 | tyche | Did you encrypt it with Ubuntu? |
| 04:00.19 | studentz | tyche yep |
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| 04:00.45 | ross` | does the debian livecd have memtest86> |
| 04:01.07 | tyche | OK, Then you'll probably need Ubuntu to decrypt it. If it works. Way back when (over a year ago) I tried using encrypted drive, and it ended up locking me out. I had to reinstall. |
| 04:01.14 | cast | tyche: no. |
| 04:01.34 | cast | studentz: can you do a cryptsetup luksDump of the encrypted devices? |
| 04:01.43 | cantido | thought we had a standard for encrypted volumes.. |
| 04:01.52 | tyche | cast: Go for it. I can only work from my own experience. I'm not an expert. |
| 04:02.01 | cast | studentz: or if thats rather hard....just run blkid as root and pastebin the output |
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| 04:03.20 | studentz | cast /dev/sdb crypto_LUKS |
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| 04:06.02 | studentz | cast: http://pastebin.com/LBb6rpDT |
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| 04:08.59 | Tramp | studentz: well, then you should be able to open it, provided you have the key |
| 04:10.16 | studentz | cast I have the key but I can only open from Ubuntu. I'm sure I'm doing s/thing wrong. I do not know what? |
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| 04:12.32 | Tramp | studentz: so /what/ exactly do you do? what error do you get? |
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| 04:14.23 | studentz | cast: the Daemon is being inhibited |
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| 04:16.35 | iAmerikan | Hello #debian. Should I set up a LVM if I want the machine to be a server |
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| 04:16.45 | cast | iAmerikan: yes. |
| 04:16.50 | cast | studentz: what daemon? |
| 04:17.01 | cast | studentz: at any rate, thats irrelevant, no daemon is required here |
| 04:17.44 | iAmerikan | cast: Thanks. any server-particular partitioning advice past that? |
| 04:17.48 | cast | studentz: pastebin cryptsetup luksDump /dev/sdb and cryptsetup luksDump /dev/sda4 |
| 04:18.04 | studentz | cast The error message appear when I used Disk Utility and tried to unlock the HD. |
| 04:18.13 | cast | iAmerikan: use mdadm and mirror the disks |
| 04:18.28 | iAmerikan | okay thanks. should my lvm be encrypted or nawh? |
| 04:18.29 | cast | studentz: i don't know what that is, but ok. i'll presume its some gui rubbish |
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| 04:18.45 | cast | iAmerikan: not unless your privacy laws require it |
| 04:18.59 | studentz | cast is there anyway to mount via cli? |
| 04:19.10 | cast | studentz: of course |
| 04:19.16 | iAmerikan | Thanks man. How should my partition map look for server usage? |
| 04:19.17 | cast | studentz: now do what i said :( |
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| 04:19.50 | cast | iAmerikan: depends, but probably two, one for /boot, and one for LVM |
| 04:20.19 | studentz | cast I follow you :) |
| 04:21.11 | cast | iAmerikan: its a good idea to leave some free space in the volume group for snapshots and filesystem expansions, FWIW |
| 04:22.27 | iAmerikan | cast: I went with the lvm + /root/ var /home etc option... |
| 04:22.42 | cast | ok |
| 04:23.01 | iAmerikan | I can work around it :) |
| 04:23.36 | iAmerikan | It's going to be for personal use anyway |
| 04:24.04 | iAmerikan | is there no tty access during debian install? |
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| 04:24.39 | alystair | if I'm running deb x64 in vmware and change my cpu core # count, does debian automatically utilize it on next boot |
| 04:24.54 | alystair | or do I need to input some commands to make it recognize a change in hardware |
| 04:24.59 | studentz | cast http://pastebin.com/Lz215Svf |
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| 04:25.35 | cast | alystair: ask vmware. |
| 04:25.48 | alystair | I asked, 272 people in the room and no one responding |
| 04:25.57 | cast | iAmerikan: there is |
| 04:25.58 | alystair | is there a command to tell me the number of cores I have active |
| 04:26.03 | ttp11 | I've changed some sound settings. how do you restart sound detection without rebooting? |
| 04:26.07 | cast | alystair: i meant vmware, not #vmware |
| 04:26.27 | cast | alystair: you're using a proprietary application, go get support from your vendor ;\ |
| 04:26.40 | alystair | googles |
| 04:27.12 | iAmerikan | alystair: have you checked what debian has for cpu info? |
| 04:27.30 | alystair | just discovered /proc/cpuinfo :D |
| 04:27.38 | cast | studentz: can you pastebin "apt-cache policy"? |
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| 04:28.18 | cast | alystair: we can help you with vbox, xen, kvm, etc... |
| 04:28.30 | cast | tries to work out why people pick vmware |
| 04:28.38 | cast | i think its to piss me off. |
| 04:28.44 | iAmerikan | cast: he was more interested in how debian was responding. |
| 04:28.47 | iAmerikan | and I think so to. |
| 04:29.20 | cast | iAmerikan: indeed indeed, though you'll note we don't support vmware as an architecture |
| 04:29.36 | studentz | cast: http://pastebin.com/fYVymdjA |
| 04:29.50 | alystair | cast: "siblings:2" answers my question :P |
| 04:30.06 | iAmerikan | So i'm in my deb install, and non of the mirrors work.. |
| 04:30.29 | iAmerikan | each says 'Bad archive mirror' and the tty warning says they don't support squeeze |
| 04:31.31 | iAmerikan | I'm going to reboot and try again.. |
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| 04:33.44 | cast | studentz: alrighty, so, "mkdir /tmp/plain_sd{a4,b} && cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda4 plain_sda4 && cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb plain_sdb && mount /dev/mapper/plain_sda4 /tmp/plain_sda4/ && mount /dev/mapper/plain_sdb /tmp/plain_sdb/" is the steps you should try, its presuming that there are file systems on your devices, but in reality there may be LVM, mdadm, or a partition table instead |
| 04:34.59 | cast | if thats the case the mounts will fail and we'll have to do a blkid again |
| 04:36.08 | studentz | cast ok I'll do it :) give me some minutes.. |
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| 04:36.37 | iAmerikan | cast: are you always alone in helping lost souls? |
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| 04:36.55 | cast | iAmerikan: if you are using the netinst cd and cant access any mirrors, thats ok, you can still do a base install and boot into it and soft things out from there |
| 04:37.00 | Arafangion | Where might I find suggestsions to upgrade the kernel from 2.4 to 2.6 on an ancient debian server? |
| 04:37.07 | Arafangion | I'm upgrading it to 'old-stable'. |
| 04:37.21 | cast | Arafangion: damn :( |
| 04:37.41 | iAmerikan | cast: thank you, I suspected so. I wasn't saying that to make you help :) |
| 04:37.44 | Arafangion | Yeah... It conflicts like heck. |
| 04:37.58 | Arafangion | Considering my options before I brute-force the damn thing. |
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| 04:38.46 | cast | is a new install such a bad idea? :) |
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| 04:38.57 | Arafangion | (That is, I can;t do: apt-get install -t etch linux-image-2.6.26-2-686) |
| 04:39.09 | Arafangion | cast: I don't feel like reconfiguring the server, so yes. :) |
| 04:39.22 | cast | you could compile a kernel yourself |
| 04:39.27 | Arafangion | (But it's an option) |
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| 04:39.29 | cast | like we did back in those days! |
| 04:39.35 | Arafangion | Heh, I've done those... |
| 04:39.48 | iAmerikan | I need to change up the kernel on my netbook D: |
| 04:39.57 | Arafangion | But nah. |
| 04:40.05 | cast | make-kpkg is pretty good |
| 04:40.13 | Arafangion | Actually, I think I might reboot it using a live CD, and do the debian upgrade from there, with the 2.6 kernel. |
| 04:40.16 | Arafangion | Then update the kernel. |
| 04:40.36 | Arafangion | cast: The problem is that the various module tools are out of date, as is binutils, etcetera. |
| 04:40.52 | cast | if this is an internet facing server can i have the IP |
| 04:40.53 | Arafangion | The libc6 alone is being upgraded to 2.3.6 |
| 04:40.59 | Arafangion | cast: No. :) |
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| 04:41.40 | Arafangion | (Besides, it's not directly on the internet) |
| 04:43.24 | cantido | Arafangion: you dont need a recent verious of binutils or gcc to build a newish kernel |
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| 04:44.07 | Arafangion | cantido: Binutils is from 2008. |
| 04:44.29 | cantido | It will probably still work |
| 04:44.30 | iAmerikan | arafangion: do they depend on this |
| 04:44.48 | Arafangion | iAmerikan: The kernel depends on a new libC. The libC depends on the kernel. |
| 04:45.07 | cantido | since when has a kernel depended on libc? |
| 04:45.10 | Arafangion | I'm thinking of booting a liveCD that has 2.6 on it, chrooting, and then updating. |
| 04:45.18 | Arafangion | points to debian! |
| 04:45.21 | cantido | libc has support for kernel versions, not the other way around |
| 04:45.52 | Arafangion | gives raw dpkg a go. |
| 04:46.25 | Arafangion | Hmm, that works better. |
| 04:46.49 | iAmerikan | man.. this install has been lame. |
| 04:46.58 | iAmerikan | every time there's a new error. |
| 04:47.03 | iAmerikan | and it's not the download IRIC |
| 04:47.05 | iAmerikan | IIRC* |
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| 04:47.21 | Arafangion | Hmm, no... It breaks because there is no tool to produce a RANDisk image. |
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| 04:47.30 | Arafangion | The only suitable tool is 'D'. |
| 04:47.32 | cast | what is a RANDisk image? |
| 04:47.38 | cantido | Arafangion: initramfs? |
| 04:47.45 | Arafangion | It's a newer version of the initrd. |
| 04:47.56 | cast | ah |
| 04:47.58 | cantido | Arafangion: use the installer rescue environment |
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| 04:48.39 | cantido | I don't think initramfs is the new version initrd.. they work a bit differently.. |
| 04:48.47 | Arafangion | Looks like I have to go with that approach. |
| 04:48.50 | cantido | and initramfs images can be embedded into the kernel |
| 04:48.56 | dariusss | I'm updating /etc/security/limits.conf, adding * - nofile 4096 but ulimit -Hn continues to return 1024 after a system reboot Can anyone tell me how I can permanently set max open files? |
| 04:49.16 | studentz | cast: thanks men Finally I can hear my music :) |
| 04:50.18 | Arafangion | Ugh, no way to attach a screen to it, forget it. |
| 04:50.26 | Arafangion | I'll request that they replace the whole box. |
| 04:50.38 | cantido | Arafangion: remote server? |
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| 04:50.51 | Arafangion | Yes, but I'm at that site. |
| 04:51.07 | Arafangion | But it's VGA, and hte screens I have access to use DVI. |
| 04:51.22 | cantido | no console in the rack? |
| 04:51.28 | kevin01123 | I've noticed that ext3 is the default filesystem in squeeze. Is this because ext4 is too unstable, or is it because of a "better safe than sorry" approach? |
| 04:51.31 | cantido | or system controller in the machine? |
| 04:51.44 | cantido | kevin01123: ext3 is tested and mature |
| 04:51.52 | Arafangion | No, found one, thank goodness for secretarial computers. |
| 04:52.55 | Arafangion | kevin01123: Debian is very, very conservative. What's a good reason for unconditionally changing from a known-decent and working filesystem, to a new and less tested filesystem? |
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| 04:53.47 | krish|wired-in | hey guys when i wget i get download speed of 470K/s .. which is very less than my connection |
| 04:53.55 | krish|wired-in | i should be getting around 11M/s |
| 04:54.02 | krish|wired-in | any ideas |
| 04:54.04 | iAmerikan | krish|wired-in: blame the server's UL |
| 04:54.14 | krish|wired-in | in rescue mode I get it at 11M/s though |
| 04:54.15 | Arafangion | Or the ISP's proxy. |
| 04:54.17 | cantido | kevin01123: does the other server want to send you that file at 11M? |
| 04:54.32 | krish|wired-in | Cantido yes |
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| 04:54.41 | cantido | krish|wired-in: is it a server you control? |
| 04:54.47 | krish|wired-in | yes |
| 04:55.02 | krish|wired-in | you mean download box or source of download? |
| 04:55.11 | cantido | source of download |
| 04:55.14 | kevin01123 | cantido: What do you mean? |
| 04:55.20 | krish|wired-in | cantido: no |
| 04:55.32 | cantido | just because your connection is 100Mbit doesnt mean the other end want to send you the file at 100Mbit |
| 04:55.36 | krish|wired-in | how does it matter |
| 04:55.43 | cantido | kevin01123: sorry, wrong nic |
| 04:55.47 | kevin01123 | Arafangion: I heard that it has faster fsck and is generally speedy. |
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| 04:55.56 | krish|wired-in | cantido: I get that speed in rescue mode |
| 04:56.00 | kevin01123 | Arafangion: Or at least speedier than ext3. |
| 04:56.07 | krish|wired-in | hope the source server is not psychic |
| 04:56.36 | iAmerikan | kevin01123: The Debian mentality leans towards stability instead of bleeding edge |
| 04:56.39 | krish|wired-in | what limits the download speed in init 5 then |
| 04:56.51 | iAmerikan | They stay a version or 2 behind distros such as arch |
| 04:56.53 | cantido | krish|wired-in: try to work out what the difference is |
| 04:56.53 | cantido | krish|wired-in: can you get that speed from a local machine? |
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| 04:57.16 | cantido | you have the option to use ext4 it just isnt the default |
| 04:57.22 | iAmerikan | ^ |
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| 04:57.25 | cantido | you can use JFS, XFS etc if you want to |
| 04:57.29 | krish|wired-in | cantido, have to check.. would doing scp mean the same? |
| 04:57.29 | Arafangion | kevin01123: I, for one, prefer stability over something that's "fast". |
| 04:57.36 | cantido | ext3 is mature and tested.. a good default |
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| 04:57.51 | cantido | krish|wired-in: scp would be processor bound |
| 04:58.25 | kevin01123 | I'm more worried about upgrades down the road. If I upgrade to wheezy, and my fs is ext3, I would feel obligated to reformat, because by that time ext4 would be stable. |
| 04:58.41 | kevin01123 | But if I go ext4 now, I can just change /etc/apt/sources.list when the time comes. |
| 04:58.44 | cantido | kevin01123: ext3 isnt going to be removed |
| 04:59.09 | iAmerikan | Are the {web, print, dns, file, mail, sql, ssh}-servers from the config the best? Are there any I should be sure TO or NOT TO use |
| 04:59.28 | kevin01123 | cantido: I know. I would just feel strange not running ext4 by then, seeing as it would be stable. |
| 04:59.38 | kevin01123 | Well, stabler. |
| 04:59.47 | krish|wired-in | cantido, ok using a local machine.. but over public ip |
| 04:59.49 | yoshio | dariusss, are you running ulimit as root? man page for limits.conf says the domain (first param) needs to say root to apply to root |
| 04:59.55 | cantido | is ext3 not forward compatiable with ext4? like ext2 was? |
| 04:59.58 | krish|wired-in | like wget ing via its public address |
| 05:00.07 | krish|wired-in | I got 5.4M/s |
| 05:00.11 | cantido | krish|wired-in: maybe you have a routing issue |
| 05:00.14 | kevin01123 | cantido: I'm not sure. |
| 05:00.30 | krish|wired-in | cantido, i felt so too.. but the datacenter guys disagree |
| 05:00.31 | nvz | kevin01123: good news, you are weird for thinking like that.. you have no good reason for upgrading. You are willing to break something that works.. and that is weird.. |
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| 05:01.17 | cantido | kevin01123: I think you are over worrying though.. there are going to be plently of differences between squeeze and wheezy that will be more important than ext3 vs ext4 |
| 05:01.30 | nvz | cantido, no ext4 is a completely different and incompatible FS |
| 05:01.43 | cantido | krish|wired-in: what does traceroute say? |
| 05:01.51 | cantido | nvz: no migration tools? |
| 05:02.08 | nvz | not that I'm aware of but this is the first moment in a long time my brain has worked |
| 05:02.20 | nvz | i.e. I've been out in space for quite some time |
| 05:02.30 | cantido | still if ext3 works now, it will work when wheezy is released |
| 05:02.55 | nvz | yes.. ext2 is still well supported... there is no danger of losing support for ext2/3 |
| 05:03.06 | Arafangion | The only time I've had an issue with ext3 was... Hmm, several years ago when I used it in windows. |
| 05:03.09 | cantido | hell, in that time they might decide to break something in ext4 that makes your squeeze ext4 fs unworkable (I guess they arent changing the on-disk-format now though..) |
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| 05:03.35 | Arafangion | For the record: Ext3 does NOT like windows using ext2, entering hibernation, and thenc hanging to linux and vice versa. |
| 05:03.37 | dariusss | yoshio: is the first * not a wildcard that would apply to all users? |
| 05:03.45 | nvz | there are other differences but the only one that would cause me to change is if I reached the FS limitation for ext3.. number of files or size of partition |
| 05:03.58 | nvz | and those limits are well beyond the scope of my usage |
| 05:04.26 | Arafangion | Anyway, choosing a filesystem based on the speed performance of fsck is foolish. |
| 05:04.48 | cantido | uses XFS because it starts with an X |
| 05:05.01 | cantido | X's are cool |
| 05:05.08 | Arafangion | A much better reason. |
| 05:05.10 | nvz | when you choose a filesystem I think any sane person would prefer something that is well tested, and has good recovery options.. |
| 05:05.32 | rww | XFS is obviously Xtreme. |
| 05:05.33 | dvs | cantido: Survey says: X |
| 05:05.36 | cantido | oh, and XFS didnt have a fsck to start with.. ;) |
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| 05:06.04 | kevin01123 | Alright, I'll just go with ext3 then. |
| 05:06.06 | nvz | short of being a computer scientist, an FS devloper, or reaching the ext3 limits, I see no reason to be using ext4 at this point in time |
| 05:06.08 | Arafangion | cantido: What's xfs like these days? Oh, wait, I confused it with zfs - anyway, question still stands. :) |
| 05:06.09 | yoshio | dariusss, if you look at the limits.conf file, it warns about root, as does the limits.conf man page - it seems like you can have a * and a root line at the same time |
| 05:06.27 | Strife89 | discovers that, unlike Ubuntu, LAN sharing (with, say, SMB) isn't readily available. |
| 05:06.30 | cantido | Arafangion: um, it stores my files.. and it works heh |
| 05:06.47 | dariusss | yoshio: thanks, I somehow missed that. and somehow su - <user> was carrying the root user limits |
| 05:06.56 | cantido | Arafangion: I doubt most people that use something other than the default actually test that its any different |
| 05:06.56 | kevin01123 | Another related question; how is ReiserFS? I've heard good things, but don't want to bother formatting. |
| 05:07.11 | Arafangion | kevin01123: Reiser is dead. |
| 05:07.19 | cantido | kevin01123: with the lead dev in the klink for killing his russian bride I would avoid it |
| 05:07.23 | Arafangion | ReiserFS, that is. Not sure about the person. |
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| 05:07.51 | Arafangion | ESPECIALLY since that lead dev is pretty miuch the only person who truely understands it. |
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| 05:08.20 | cantido | I cant see him doing much support with his visiting rights etc |
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| 05:08.41 | Strife89 | Can I pester ( :/ ) someone into assisting me with getting SMB sharing set up? |
| 05:09.07 | nvz | Strife89: are windows machines involved? |
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| 05:09.26 | cantido | Strife89: Ask a question, state your problem.. |
| 05:09.35 | Arafangion | Bah, I'm going to set this server aside. |
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| 05:09.41 | Arafangion | I don't think I can upgrade it in 2 hours. :) |
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| 05:09.58 | nvz | Strife89: if not you'd be better off using nfs |
| 05:09.59 | Strife89 | nvz: Not for now, but I would like to be prepared. |
| 05:10.01 | cantido | kevin01123: I would use ext3 .. if you have a particular issue you need to solve you should then seek an FS that solves it |
| 05:10.14 | Strife89 | nvz: That said, I can go for NFS |
| 05:10.27 | kevin01123 | I'm actually reading about Reiser right now. |
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| 05:10.49 | kevin01123 | I've settled on ext3. |
| 05:11.01 | iAmerikan | Grats :) |
| 05:11.07 | nvz | Strife89: anyone here can likely help you with either.. NFS is WAY easier to implement can be customized far greater on a per user/client basis, and doesn't flood your network with broadcasts |
| 05:11.39 | Strife89 | nvz: It's likely that the only thing I'll access the share with is my laptop (which is running Ubuntu) |
| 05:11.53 | cantido | kevin01123: I always used to go with XFS because everyone said it was good with large files.. and I used to use lots of large files.. but if I used ext3 I doubt I would notice until I edited the fstab or something and noticed it |
| 05:12.27 | kevin01123 | cantido: I looked into XFS. It's decent, but looks like it would kill my laptop battery. |
| 05:12.54 | cantido | kevin01123: theres no reason you can't mix fs types either.. I.e. I generally use ext2 for /boot because it is supported everywhere |
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| 05:13.01 | nvz | Strife89: well NFS also supports POSIX file permissions and as I said before is way easier to implement |
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| 05:13.23 | cantido | kevin01123: XFS, ext4 etc apparently have the same issue with nuking files if the power is suddenly removed.. |
| 05:13.32 | zeeble | hey. if i want to do a netinstall of deb 6.0 on my laptop, which netinstall iso should i be downloading? |
| 05:13.43 | zeeble | it is a i3 core intel, so 64 bit version? |
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| 05:13.50 | nvz | Strife89: install nfs-kernel-server and man 5 exports |
| 05:13.57 | cantido | zeeble: get amd64 |
| 05:14.24 | zeeble | cantido: is there a small netinstall iso or business card iso for amd64? |
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| 05:14.50 | cantido | kevin01123: I'm not sure you can "look" at an fs and think "this is the FS for me!" though.. unless you have some application in mind |
| 05:15.07 | iAmerikan | there should be zeeble |
| 05:15.18 | kevin01123 | I'll just put everything on FAT32. Seems like a good idea. |
| 05:15.20 | Strife89 | nvz: I take it the manual is enough to get a share started> |
| 05:15.21 | Strife89 | ? |
| 05:15.28 | cantido | kevin01123: And you should consider that fs's like XFS etc haven't been developed with desktops in mind so the features they have probably dont mean a lot to you |
| 05:15.32 | zeeble | iAmerikan: got it. downloading it now :) |
| 05:15.57 | iAmerikan | zeeble: Awesome :) I was in your shoes about 2 hours ago. There are so many downloads! :p |
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| 05:16.15 | nvz | Strife89: yes its pretty straight forward.. you put the share path in /etc/exports followed by who can access it and their permissions.. its a single line entry.. far simpler than SMB/CIFS |
| 05:16.16 | cantido | kevin01123: you can't really run debian from fat32, its not a unix fs.. and it has limits that even ext2 doesnt have ;) |
| 05:16.21 | zeeble | iAmerikan: hehe, am looking at the debian installer page, but it says it will install debian wheezy |
| 05:16.32 | kevin01123 | cantido: Damn. |
| 05:16.33 | zeeble | doesnt matter though. i plan to do a light install of XFCE or LXDE on the laptop |
| 05:16.35 | kevin01123 | Ah well. |
| 05:16.39 | kevin01123 | I'm off to install this thing. |
| 05:16.41 | nvz | Strife89: you will need to restart the server after editing exports file |
| 05:16.45 | kevin01123 | Thanks for your help guys. |
| 05:16.51 | Strife89 | nvz: Is there a way to configure it graphically (i.e., through Nautilus)? |
| 05:17.30 | iAmerikan | how do you manage daemon startup via debian? |
| 05:17.41 | Strife89 | Normally I'd be fine with the usual method, but ..... well, I've had an off-day. |
| 05:17.42 | cantido | kevin01123: do you need files to be accessible from windows too? |
| 05:17.55 | cantido | iAmerikan: rc-update |
| 05:17.57 | nvz | Strife89: I'm oldskool so I wouldn't know.. but if you're on squeeze it seems like everything is modifyable through a graphical interface these days.. if I recall correctly there is a shared folders thing in the gnome system menu on your panel.. once the nfs server package is installed it should be able to do it |
| 05:18.00 | iAmerikan | Excuse me, I'm sure it's simple, but I haven't used a debian system in ages |
| 05:18.05 | iAmerikan | thanks cantido |
| 05:18.10 | kevin01123 | cantido: No. If I did, would SAMBA take care of it? |
| 05:18.18 | zeeble | rc-update does the same thing as update-rc.d ? |
| 05:18.28 | cantido | iAmerikan: update-rc.d |
| 05:18.34 | cantido | iAmerikan: got it the wrong way around ;~ |
| 05:18.41 | Strife89 | nvz: I see no such thing, sadly. |
| 05:18.48 | zeeble | iAmerikan: i'm coming back to debian after ages too. well, win 7 and nwo debian :p |
| 05:18.52 | cantido | kevin01123: over a network yes, not on the same machine booted into windows though |
| 05:19.07 | kevin01123 | cantido: Nah, it's going to be a straight Debian box. |
| 05:19.19 | Strife89 | tries killing and restarting Nautilus |
| 05:19.39 | nvz | Strife89: are you using lenny or squeeze? |
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| 05:20.13 | Strife89 | nvz: Squeeze |
| 05:21.07 | iAmerikan | zeeble: Same here. I'm running Arch, Debian, and W7 for my gaming :P |
| 05:21.17 | zeeble | wow, that's too many things |
| 05:21.39 | iAmerikan | cantido: can I just use update-rc.d ssh defaults? |
| 05:21.41 | nvz | Strife89: well I've investigated the method I described.. gnome panel's system menu > preferences > personal file sharing uses WebDAV not NFS which requires no additional packages to be installed and is the simplest option if you don't wanna learn NFS or SMB/CIFS |
| 05:22.05 | iAmerikan | I know zeeble but I've gotten extremely comfortable w/ the setup :) |
| 05:22.13 | zeeble | lol |
| 05:22.15 | cantido | iAmerikan: I think so, I'd check the man page |
| 05:22.23 | iAmerikan | sure thing cantido |
| 05:22.24 | zeeble | i hope so too. the iso is taking ages to download :( |
| 05:22.25 | cantido | rarely uses those sort of things |
| 05:22.54 | iAmerikan | Thanks again cantido. zeeble :( the small download? |
| 05:23.01 | iAmerikan | some of them have bandwidth cpas |
| 05:23.03 | iAmerikan | caps** |
| 05:23.13 | iAmerikan | so I torrent :], also less corruption |
| 05:23.17 | zeeble | iAmerikan: yeah. the 140M problem |
| 05:23.24 | zeeble | oh. *facepalm* |
| 05:23.27 | Strife89 | nvz: What (if anything) would I need to install on the Ubuntu machine? |
| 05:23.27 | zeeble | thanks, let me do that |
| 05:23.55 | zeeble | hm, there are no torrents for this thing |
| 05:24.05 | nvz | Strife89: it interestingling enough supports bluetooth sharing as well. The ubuntu machine will likely see the share simply in the Network under nautilus.. |
| 05:24.18 | iAmerikan | zeeble: there should be, it's sometimes hard to find. You want the 64 tiny install? |
| 05:24.34 | iAmerikan | as small as possible or just the net inst |
| 05:24.40 | zeeble | iAmerikan: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ i want a torrent for that netinstall or business card install |
| 05:25.10 | zeeble | ill just wait for the download to complte, lol |
| 05:25.19 | nvz | Strife89: I just tested it, and it works.. just checking the box makes it show up on my other machine in nautilus.. this is a very simple minimally configurable option for simple filesharing |
| 05:25.23 | cantido | zeeble: if its slow to download the netinst iso pulling all the packages over the net is going to be painful |
| 05:25.40 | zeeble | cantido: nah, it is okay. i found why it was slow :/ |
| 05:25.45 | zeeble | my utorrent was running full speed :p |
| 05:25.55 | Strife89 | nvz: Do you happen to know if I can link to other folders through the Public folder? |
| 05:26.05 | zeeble | ETA 4 mins now |
| 05:26.06 | Strife89 | (Such as my Music folder and subfolders) |
| 05:26.29 | iAmerikan | zeeble: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/amd64/bt-cd/debian-6.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 05:26.35 | iAmerikan | damn, scratch that |
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| 05:26.40 | iAmerikan | too late, just read up. |
| 05:26.50 | zeeble | heh, its downloading at 200kBps now |
| 05:26.54 | zeeble | as good as it gets for me |
| 05:26.58 | nvz | Strife89: no I do not know.. and myself as well as other people will have a harder time supporting this stuff because its not the stuff we've all been using and are familiar with.. any person in here can likely help you with NFS.. |
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| 05:28.03 | Strife89 | nvz: I figured it was at least worth asking. Guess I'll find out soon enough! |
| 05:28.03 | zeeble | is there a post base install setup guide that says howto install packages or WMs like XFCE without having apt-get pull humongous unnecesary files like evolution and open office? |
| 05:28.22 | dclarke | problem .. VMware Workstation 7.1 is causeing my Debian Squeeze system to reboot/crash. This has happened repeatedly over the past few weeks where all seems normal but then .. poof .. the whole system reboots. Is there a place to look for a crash dump or core dump report or .. perhaps turn on some diagnostic feature that ensures a full core dump ? |
| 05:28.36 | cantido | zeeble: it wont pull stuff like that in if you install -core |
| 05:28.46 | iAmerikan | zeeble: you can install core packages or w.e it depends on what you're lookin for. Then from there you're free to APT it out |
| 05:28.52 | cantido | zeeble: i.e. kde-core doesnt install all the koffice shizzle |
| 05:28.52 | zeeble | ok |
| 05:29.04 | iAmerikan | has been too slow all evening |
| 05:29.12 | zeeble | good. so if i do apt-get install xfce4-core, it will only grab the xfce4 packages? |
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| 05:29.21 | cantido | zeeble: if you use aptitude you'll see what its going to install in a nice curses interface :) |
| 05:29.45 | cantido | xfce might not have a core package because it doesnt have a matching PIM setup etc.. |
| 05:29.48 | zeeble | cantido: meh. i dont want to see all that. dselect used to give me the creeps |
| 05:30.07 | cantido | the xfce packages wont depend on loads of unrelated crap |
| 05:30.11 | zeeble | good |
| 05:30.15 | iAmerikan | it doesn't have the core :( |
| 05:30.17 | zeeble | i dont want gnome, etc |
| 05:30.18 | cantido | zeeble: aptitude is very good |
| 05:30.26 | iAmerikan | cantido: can aptitude search? |
| 05:30.29 | dclarke | thinks .. just run twm |
| 05:30.30 | zeeble | cantido: okay. will try that after the base install is done |
| 05:30.37 | cantido | not greate on sub 1ghz machines though |
| 05:30.37 | zeeble | sure aptitude search package ... |
| 05:30.42 | zeeble | same as apt-cache search |
| 05:30.42 | iAmerikan | wow.. |
| 05:30.44 | zeeble | but. |
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| 05:30.51 | iAmerikan | I've been using apt-cache search this whole time. |
| 05:30.53 | cantido | iAmerikan: yes, you can search in the curses interface too |
| 05:31.00 | zeeble | i remember aptitude from a while back.. |
| 05:31.02 | zeeble | we'll see |
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| 05:31.22 | iAmerikan | I'm used to yaourt//pacman/abs |
| 05:31.30 | zeeble | what's pacman? |
| 05:31.32 | cantido | iAmerikan: hit / and you can search within the curses interface |
| 05:31.40 | cantido | iAmerikan: regexps work too |
| 05:31.54 | iAmerikan | I'm very glad I went debian instead of freebsd for this project :P |
| 05:32.02 | nvz | Strife89: the tool I was thinking of but I can't find in the menu anymore is called shares-admin, you can run in a normal user terminal "gksu shares-admin" that allows you to graphically configure standard SMB or NFS shares which people could more easily troubleshoot |
| 05:32.05 | iAmerikan | cantido: yet another reason to learn how2 RE |
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| 05:32.35 | nvz | Strife89: this would allow you far more configuration than the generic WebDAV "public shares" thing does |
| 05:32.59 | cantido | notes that SCP is also fine.. and the NFS has that portmapper shit that can be a problem |
| 05:33.29 | cantido | iAmerikan: freebsd still has that 70s/80s userland feel right? heh |
| 05:33.31 | nvz | Strife89: I do believe it requires the underlying server samba or nfs-kernel-server to be installed and running to work.. but again I'm not sure about this GUI stuff |
| 05:34.31 | iAmerikan | it does indeed cantido |
| 05:35.06 | dclarke | gives up .. leaves |
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| 05:35.13 | cantido | I've never understood that. Linux distros are shipping better and better userlands, that are nice to work with |
| 05:35.41 | iAmerikan | I think it has something to do with the dev IIRC |
| 05:35.42 | cantido | and commercial unix and bsd seem to want to hold on to horrible tools that are a pain in the arse to use |
| 05:35.53 | zeeble | downloaded. let me start writing and doing the rest |
| 05:36.06 | zeeble | is it possible to install from a usb stick instead of writing to CD? |
| 05:36.08 | iAmerikan | 'linux users more prone to fork while bsd users more prone to contrib to community build' |
| 05:36.17 | iAmerikan | yes zeeble |
| 05:36.25 | zeeble | iAmerikan: can you give me a link? |
| 05:36.42 | zeeble | i think my laptip can boot off usb from what i remember in the bios |
| 05:36.51 | cantido | iAmerikan: mmm I'm not sure.. I'm sure some people love the feel of rusty old tools |
| 05:38.03 | iAmerikan | zeeble: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net . make sure you check the BIOS boot order, and put USB at the top.. |
| 05:38.11 | cantido | zeeble: if you want to boot from usb you should get the hdmedia |
| 05:38.22 | zeeble | what is hdmedia? |
| 05:38.43 | iAmerikan | g2g be back from diff. location :O |
| 05:38.48 | cantido | zeeble: unetbootin should work iAmerikan has pointed out though |
| 05:38.49 | cantido | the hdmedia (I think) images are for putting on usb bootable drives |
| 05:38.55 | iAmerikan | Thanks for the help tonight cantido and #deb |
| 05:39.00 | zeeble | okay. i'll check with unetbootin |
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| 05:40.04 | nvz | Alright, well it was a pleasure serving the #debian community.. unfortunately that ham and cheese I ate 45min ago has my symptoms returning and my concentration is fading.. gotta run. cheers |
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| 05:49.12 | satellit_afk | cantido: dd .img debian to USB? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/usb-hdd/ |
| 05:49.33 | cantido | satellit_afk: there are instructions IIRC |
| 05:50.08 | satellit_afk | : ) I have used them...nice resource for netbook.... |
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| 06:43.08 | WormFood | how do I change myself to another user, when "su" won't work? |
| 06:43.50 | karla | WormFood, sudo -u ? |
| 06:43.55 | WormFood | won't work |
| 06:43.59 | Asmodeus_ | eh, logout? |
| 06:44.05 | Asmodeus_ | then log back in as another user |
| 06:44.16 | WormFood | no password on the user I want to be |
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| 06:44.42 | karla | WormFood, can't you set the password? |
| 06:44.46 | Asmodeus_ | so enter the username and hit enter at the password prompt? |
| 06:44.49 | WormFood | I've never had this problem before...in times past, I could just "su -c bash user" |
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| 06:45.27 | Asmodeus_ | i've never had that problem ever, with debian or gentoo. sorry i can't be of more help. :/ |
| 06:45.31 | WormFood | no Asmodeus_ login has been disabled for this account...nobody should normally be logging in as this user, but I need to be this user to set some things (I know, I could change ownership, but it is easier to just change myself to this other user) |
| 06:45.40 | karla | WormFood, are you allowed to sudo according to /etc/sudoers ? |
| 06:45.43 | WormFood | I've never had this problem either. |
| 06:45.46 | WormFood | no sudo installed |
| 06:45.52 | karla | ah |
| 06:45.59 | WormFood | I don't use sudo, I just su - to root as needed |
| 06:46.37 | Asmodeus_ | WormFood: Maybe, just maybe, it's NOT easier to just change yourself to this other user. :) |
| 06:46.40 | WormFood | since I'm the only admin on this machine, I see no need to delegate authority to someone else, since there is nobody else, so I don't use sudo |
| 06:47.12 | Asmodeus_ | are you the only user of that machine? |
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| 06:49.58 | WormFood | I'm the only shell user of this machine |
| 06:50.34 | WormFood | god damn! this shit really pisses me off...I've never had this problem before, and I do this type of stuff frequently enough to know when it isn't working right. |
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| 06:51.52 | cast_ | ss -lp # neat |
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| 06:53.04 | Arrowmaster | WormFood: su to root and then to the other user? |
| 06:53.37 | WormFood | Arrowmaster, I'm already root...how else would I su to a user with no password and shell set to /bin/false? |
| 06:54.16 | WormFood | I eventually was able to su to this user, by changing their shell in the password file, but I remember being able to do this in the past, without having a legit shell in the password file |
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| 06:55.42 | karla | WormFood, i wonder if pam has anything to do with the problem you're experiencing |
| 06:55.51 | Arrowmaster | thats part of the reason i prefer sudo over su |
| 06:56.03 | Arrowmaster | sudo -s runs MY shell and not the users shell |
| 06:56.05 | WormFood | karla, it is quite possible |
| 06:57.34 | cast_ | you mean when she divorced us and took all our manuals?! |
| 06:57.58 | WormFood | good deal Arrowmaster, su -s /bin/bash works |
| 06:58.08 | karla | :) |
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| 06:59.24 | WormFood | I always have done "su -c 'command' user" to run bash as a user, but that simply wouldn't work this time |
| 06:59.33 | Gnudoll | is there any fix yet for hardinfo not finding a laptops battery in squeeze? |
| 06:59.35 | crodjer | I am unable to use debian software repositories, In the downloadable from internet dialogue- I can't check the default repositories to be included |
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| 07:00.29 | cast_ | crodjer: huh. can you just edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:00.33 | Gnudoll | it worked in Lenny. . . I was wondering if squeeze is putting the battery data someplace that hardinfo does not know to look for the info? |
| 07:00.55 | crodjer | cast_, is there any way to reset it....currently there is nothing in it |
| 07:01.08 | cast_ | crodjer: yeah, open it in vi and type stuff in |
| 07:01.24 | cast_ | crodjer: man sources.list |
| 07:01.27 | crodjer | yeah |
| 07:01.57 | Gnudoll | crodjer: what version of Debian? |
| 07:02.01 | crodjer | squeeze |
| 07:02.17 | crodjer | a default sources list? |
| 07:02.35 | Gnudoll | hang on |
| 07:03.29 | Gnudoll | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free <-- start with that |
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| 07:04.10 | Gnudoll | when you start "SOftware Sources" does it ask you to authenticate as root? |
| 07:04.23 | Gnudoll | it should |
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| 07:04.31 | crodjer | Main contrib and contrib should be there right? |
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| 07:05.14 | Gnudoll | main is the default |
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| 07:05.52 | Gnudoll | contrib is the iffy licensing, and non-free is the restrictive licensing |
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| 07:06.36 | crodjer | so the main repo would be: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
| 07:06.54 | lapsusbrutus | doing some wireless security learning.. Where are the aircrack-ng ++ packages for squeeze? What repos do I have to enable? |
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| 07:09.11 | crodjer | Gnudoll, I also have a recurring problem with google chrome/talkplugin .save files in sources.list.d directory |
| 07:10.12 | crodjer | what does `.save` lists mean |
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| 07:12.45 | karla | may be backup files if you're using one of those gui tools |
| 07:13.16 | karla | recurring problems.... |
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| 07:15.32 | lapsusbrutus | Where are the aircrack-ng ++ packages for squeeze? What repos do I have to enable? Anyone has a clue? ON etch it was "aircrack-ng" |
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| 07:16.13 | karla | lapsusbrutus, it should still be there. Do you have non-free and contrib enabled? |
| 07:16.38 | cast_ | http://packages.debian.org/aircrack answers your question |
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| 07:21.41 | chrissbx | Do you have a tip for recording webcam video, including audio? |
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| 07:21.55 | chrissbx | I can't get mencoder to sync audio and video properly, |
| 07:22.04 | chrissbx | same problem with guvcview. |
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| 07:23.32 | chrissbx | (I wonder if it's because those don't seem to support the lame encoder and instead use lavc?) |
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| 07:25.52 | LinuxGuy2009 | Does the netinst cd contain non-free firmware so I can use it with my desktop machines wireless card? |
| 07:26.24 | cast_ | i hope not |
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| 07:29.41 | dpierce | LinuxGuy2009: no, but the installer lets you load drivers off external media. |
| 07:29.55 | cjhmdm | hello, does anyone know if package 'ant' is the same as "apache ant"? |
| 07:29.57 | slonopotamus | where i get .diff.gz for etch packages? |
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| 07:31.00 | karla | cjhmdm, they're definitely both one and and the same |
| 07:31.11 | cjhmdm | karla: thanks |
| 07:31.38 | LinuxGuy2009 | I have the full Squeeze repo set which is 8 DVDs for use on offline machines. I need a disc that has the packages to install the non-free firmware for my wireless card to get my home network going. Or do I need to just make my own with something like APTonCD? |
| 07:32.06 | lapsusbrutus | karla: found it now... all i needed was in the iw package |
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| 07:37.59 | slonopotamus | let me rephrase... where i get source packages for debian releases < lenny? |
| 07:39.41 | slonopotamus | umm... does anyone know at all what is a source package? |
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| 07:42.06 | casts | slonopotamus: you can download the dvds, or get it from apt-get source, or packages.debian.org |
| 07:42.16 | chrissbx | What does a + after the usual permissions mean? like ls -l /dev/video0 -> crw-rw----+ 1 root video 81, 0 Feb 26 02:37 /dev/video0 |
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| 07:43.46 | karla | chrisc, acl permissions? |
| 07:44.22 | chrissbx | Well that was my guess, too, but why would udev use acls, and I don't even know how to display them. |
| 07:44.27 | slonopotamus | casts: can you read? you somehow see etch or sarge on packages.debian.org? |
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| 07:45.08 | casts | oh, i didnt see your previous line, i was reading "umm... does anyone know at all what is a source package?" |
| 07:45.38 | karla | chrisc, getfact |
| 07:45.44 | karla | chrissbx, getfacl |
| 07:46.15 | slonopotamus | casts: well, "yes" was enough for last one :) |
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| 07:47.39 | casts | slonopotamus: does archive.debian.org have anything? |
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| 07:52.33 | chrissbx | (karla: that's not even installed here...) |
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| 07:54.05 | karla | the command line utilities don't have to be installed for programs to set acls on files |
| 07:54.12 | karla | apt-get install acl |
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| 07:54.34 | slonopotamus | casts: wow. wasn't aware of that one. thanks, looks like what i need |
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| 07:56.11 | casts | slonopotamus: when i read more than every second word i do good sometimes! |
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| 08:04.09 | hyper_ch | hi there, I got a question: debian uses on the one hand release names (etch, lenny, squeeze) and on the other hand "status" names (oldstabe, stable). So am I right to assume that "sid" is always experimental and "testing" will be the next "stable" in a year, two years or so? |
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| 08:05.11 | karla | hyper_ch, sid is unstable, experimental is experimental |
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| 08:06.11 | karla | but yes it's been like that for a while now |
| 08:06.29 | hyper_ch | karla: thx |
| 08:06.39 | hyper_ch | I still get confused by it |
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| 08:14.41 | simonrvn | !releases |
| 08:14.41 | dpkg | See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
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| 08:17.09 | aLgEBrA-WK | hi |
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| 08:25.55 | ragnar76 | good morning all |
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| 08:27.02 | Arafangion | I've upgraded debian to "old stable" |
| 08:27.09 | ragnar76 | how can i bind a specific usb device ( us hdd ) to a specific mount place? |
| 08:27.43 | Arafangion | However, WinXP users can no-longer log into the server using samba. How do I investigate what the heck's happened? (Samba was upgraded) |
| 08:27.47 | Arafangion | I've also asked #samba. |
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| 08:28.59 | Arafangion | ragnar76: You'll need to seriously learn udev, I'm afraid. dbus and hal are also possibilities. |
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| 08:37.49 | Frenk | Hello, I have Debian 6.0 and an error I do not really understand (EAccessViolation) - http://pastebin.com/8ELzz3jx - Is this error critical? |
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| 08:40.01 | Arafangion | Frenk: Not looking at that website... But such an error can be quite critical within the scope of the application. Generally it means programmer error. |
| 08:40.23 | Arafangion | Frenk: Specifically, the programmer tried to access memory incorrectly. |
| 08:40.48 | Arafangion | (A remarkably common problem) |
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| 09:00.23 | Agiofws | hello |
| 09:00.33 | Agiofws | hello is anyone using debian(squeeze) + chromium-beta ? |
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| 09:27.04 | slonopotamus | how i remove all installed packages that are NOT (transitive) dependencies of package X? |
| 09:27.28 | dondelelcaro | slonopotamus: why would you want to do that? |
| 09:28.17 | slonopotamus | want to cleanup my box from random packages i installed over time |
| 09:28.58 | dondelelcaro | slonopotamus: so mark the packages that you actually want as manually installed, and everything else as automatically installed using the aptitude curses frontend or similar |
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| 09:29.12 | Coded1 | apt-get autoremove ? |
| 09:29.32 | slonopotamus | dondelelcaro: okay, how i list all packages that are marked as manually installed? |
| 09:30.09 | dondelelcaro | aptitude show '~i!~M'; |
| 09:30.16 | dondelelcaro | s/show/search/ |
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| 09:33.12 | slonopotamus | dondelelcaro: trying... |
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| 09:34.32 | Greeny1 | I've heard ssd TRIM support was only fully supported in kernel 2.6.33 beginning in 2.6.28. How well will debian 6 squeeze work with a ssd and TRIM? |
| 09:35.03 | Greeny1 | As squeeze uses 2.6.32 |
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| 09:54.46 | akssps011 | There was an error running gnome-screenshot: Failed to execute child process "gnome-screenshot" (No such file or directory) |
| 09:54.56 | akssps011 | I get this error when I press printscreen |
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| 09:55.08 | slonopotamus | so, install gnome-screenshot? |
| 09:56.15 | akssps011 | hmm..never thought it would be missing |
| 09:56.16 | akssps011 | thanks |
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| 09:57.57 | babilen | slonopotamus: hehe :) |
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| 09:58.29 | slonopotamus | babilen: sometimes things are much simpler than people think :) |
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| 09:59.43 | sidro | hi |
| 09:59.53 | sidro | i have a process |
| 09:59.58 | sidro | his name is sleep |
| 10:00.08 | babilen | hands sidro some punctuation characters ... |
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| 10:00.12 | sidro | for what is sleep |
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| 10:00.48 | slonopotamus | sidro: for waiting :) 'man sleep' will tell you more |
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| 10:01.27 | sidro | ok |
| 10:02.34 | babilen | sidro: It is most likely save to kill the process. You might want to explore it in /proc/PID/ though. 'cmdline' might be interesting and other things too. If it is indeed "sleep" just kill it. |
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| 10:05.10 | simonrvn | man bash; it's a shell builtin.... |
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| 10:25.50 | anao | hi@all where do i find info of ending security patches of lenny? |
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| 10:28.44 | dutchfish | anao: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable |
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| 10:30.19 | anao | @dutchfish thanks.. |
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| 10:37.45 | talmai | Hello. Is there a proper-er way to running two instances of same daemon (with different config) other than copying the /etc/init.d/ script? |
| 10:39.09 | xk | talmai: which daemon? |
| 10:39.27 | talmai | transmission-daemon |
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| 10:39.45 | talmai | (it doesn't support multiple users in one instance) |
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| 10:41.09 | woonix | talmai: I don't know of any proper way to do that other than what you suggested. |
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| 10:41.59 | woonix | talmai: It's an unusual situation. |
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| 10:43.47 | talmai | woonix, tnx very much |
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| 10:44.37 | woonix | I had to run a second instance of dhcp server earlier because I found out that it can't operate in both ipv4 and ipv6 mode at the same time, so I made a copy of the init.d script and changed some things. |
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| 10:46.14 | Tau | how can i download acroread from synaptic ? |
| 10:46.24 | Tau | i mean, what should i do to get that repository |
| 10:46.46 | simonrvn | !dmm |
| 10:46.46 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 10:47.25 | themill | (there are a lot of much better PDF viewers than acroread already in the repos though) |
| 10:47.44 | simonrvn | yeh, really |
| 10:47.53 | simonrvn | acroreadis fricking slow |
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| 10:48.18 | Tau | themill, what would you suggest ? |
| 10:48.37 | themill | !pdf |
| 10:48.38 | dpkg | [pdf] Portable Document Format is a file format for document exchange, designed by Adobe as a replacement for <PostScript>. Free software to view PDFs include <xpdf>, <kpdf>, <okular>, <evince> (all poppler based) and gv, kghostview (ghostscript-based, much slower!). Adobe Reader (acroread) is available from debian-multimedia in non-free; ask me about <dmm>. See also <edit pdf> <pdf writer>. http://wiki.debian.org/PDF |
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| 10:48.46 | Tau | i have tried xpdf but it just irritates me cause i have to click on the buttom to go at next page. |
| 10:48.52 | themill | Tau: I use okular |
| 10:49.17 | Tau | themill, i will try this one. |
| 10:49.51 | Tau | themill, is that in gtk ? |
| 10:50.13 | simonrvn | kde app |
| 10:50.27 | Tau | i would like one for gnome |
| 10:50.36 | simonrvn | evince |
| 10:50.46 | Tau | i have evince. |
| 10:51.03 | Tau | simonrvn, but this evince just doesn't display the document correctly. |
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| 10:51.18 | Tau | it shows a lot of 'points' cause the book was scanned. |
| 10:51.22 | Tau | and it was old probably. |
| 10:51.28 | nu1x | the best I found is ePDFViewer |
| 10:51.32 | Tau | the sole one that displays well it is xpedf. |
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| 10:51.35 | Tau | so far. |
| 10:51.39 | Tau | hmm |
| 10:51.41 | Tau | lets see |
| 10:52.00 | nu1x | well, for my needs |
| 10:52.08 | nu1x | which are tiny |
| 10:52.15 | Tau | i see. |
| 10:52.16 | Tau | well |
| 10:52.19 | Tau | if this one fails |
| 10:52.22 | Tau | i will try acroread |
| 10:52.26 | simonrvn | !enter |
| 10:52.27 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 10:52.30 | Tau | but i need to know how to put multimedia in the repository. |
| 10:52.35 | Tau | i'm using debian squeezy. |
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| 10:53.04 | themill | dpkg: tell Tau about dmm squeeze |
| 10:53.11 | Tau | nu1x, same thing. |
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| 10:53.47 | Tau | themill, nice. |
| 10:53.48 | nu1x | well then |
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| 10:54.08 | simonrvn | squeeze, fyi. there's wheezy, and squeeze |
| 10:54.14 | Tau | why evince and this other just display it with pixels that aren't there ? |
| 10:54.24 | Tau | like points over all the book. |
| 10:54.28 | Tau | black points. |
| 10:54.51 | nu1x | hmmm... I have no idea, had no such problem |
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| 10:56.54 | Tau | hey. |
| 10:56.59 | Tau | i just got this msg. |
| 10:57.01 | Tau | Reading package lists... Done |
| 10:57.02 | Tau | W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
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| 10:57.09 | Tau | when updating the repositories. |
| 10:57.14 | themill | Tau: please read the instructions |
| 10:57.19 | lord_rob | check the website |
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| 10:57.45 | Tau | hum |
| 10:57.45 | Tau | k |
| 10:58.06 | jelly-home | Tau: the warning is remedied with the next step, the one with installing debian-multimedia-keyring package |
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| 10:58.47 | Tau | jelly-home, i see. |
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| 10:58.59 | Tau | i understood. |
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| 11:23.14 | jmd | What do I need to install in squeeze to make sound work? |
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| 11:24.02 | Bushmills | a sound card |
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| 11:26.03 | Bushmills | a mixer can also be useful |
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| 11:30.04 | Bushmills | you're welcome |
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| 11:31.45 | RemmyToo | Maybe his connection gave trouble |
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| 11:37.21 | daemonkeeper | Bushmills: Not to forget driver support |
| 11:38.00 | Bushmills | daemonkeeper: assuming the card is supported, and modules come with precompiled kernel |
| 11:38.21 | Bushmills | can't cater for conditions we know nothing about |
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| 11:48.19 | benignbala | Hi, I am debian lenny and need to connect to USB ADSL modem. When I plug it in , dmesg shows it as a USB device and gives the vendor id/product id. But, it still doesn't connect to the Internet. How can I use that with debian ? |
| 11:48.29 | benignbala | I am *on Lenny |
| 11:49.27 | blip2 | you would need some for of driver? |
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| 11:49.32 | blip2 | form* |
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| 11:50.16 | benignbala | blip2: The vendor didn't provide any for Debian. But you are of any drivers that would work with Debian lenny ? |
| 11:50.28 | benignbala | *you are aware of ? |
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| 11:50.51 | blip2 | no idea, have you tired searching the debian repository? |
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| 11:51.00 | blip2 | or the wiki |
| 11:51.30 | benignbala | blip2: I will check it out |
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| 11:52.31 | DomeDan | benignbala: tried to start gnome-ppp and check if you can connect? |
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| 11:54.05 | D-Boy | !tell benignbala about ppp |
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| 11:59.15 | Niniryoku | Hello |
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| 12:01.16 | alexandrius | Guys refresh my memory what do i type to find out information about installing nvidia driver - /msg dpkg "?" |
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| 12:01.48 | Niniryoku | There's a bug on munin package. I can't use selective tls <http://munin-monitoring.org/wiki/MuninTLSSetup#SelectiveTLS> |
| 12:01.58 | abrotman | alexandrius: |
| 12:02.01 | abrotman | nvidia ? |
| 12:02.02 | alexandrius | ok don't need any more |
| 12:02.10 | casts | Niniryoku: man reportbug |
| 12:02.12 | Niniryoku | It seems this bug was fixed <http://munin-monitoring.org/ticket/982>, but not in debian package. |
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| 12:05.48 | sedulous | Packaging policy question: I have a library that includes some demo programs. Is it acceptable to include them in the *-doc package? |
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| 12:06.20 | Bushmills | ,versions munin |
| 12:06.22 | judd | Package munin on i386 -- lenny: 1.2.6-10~lenny2; lenny-backports: 1.4.5-3~bpo50+1; sid: 1.4.5-3; squeeze: 1.4.5-3; wheezy: 1.4.5-3 |
| 12:06.36 | jnewt | how can i preview / list all files to be backed up and deleted by deluser --remove-all-files --backup |
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| 12:09.30 | tuggle | hi, is there another program but sendmail which can act as a smarthost? |
| 12:09.45 | casts | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:10.26 | tuggle | any examples? for postfix,e.g., I cannot find any info. |
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| 12:15.56 | nsadmin | tuggle google for MTA |
| 12:16.33 | nsadmin | "cannot find any info", so far you only say you want a list of programs that can act as sendmail does |
| 12:17.12 | tuggle | ok, then I just misunderstood the fuction of a mta |
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| 12:23.58 | nsadmin | would that be what you want to know? (why am I pulling teeth just to get you to be direct, specific and informative about what you want... I should get $300/hour just for that) |
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| 12:25.20 | daemonkeeper | nsadmin: excluding VAT! |
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| 12:27.20 | nsadmin | not even including the answer itself... it's just unfortunate that people aren't well versed in requesting information efficiently |
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| 12:28.58 | daemonkeeper | If they were, they could use the favorite search engine as well, it knows pretty much everything. |
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| 12:36.59 | thewanderer1 | hi. what --format flag do I use in bsdtar to make it save ACL? |
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| 12:38.18 | thewanderer1 | or does it do this by default? |
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| 12:39.01 | jelly-home | TIAS? |
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| 12:39.20 | thewanderer1 | yeah right... |
| 12:39.35 | simonrvn | man bsdtar ? |
| 12:39.54 | thewanderer1 | already read that... |
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| 12:42.09 | simonrvn | Supported formats include âcpioâ, âpaxâ, âsharâ, and âustarâ. |
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| 12:42.26 | simonrvn | (c, r, u mode only) |
| 12:43.48 | thewanderer1 | alright, so it doesn't store ACL by default |
| 12:44.47 | thewanderer1 | oh, right. -p flag... hey, it even works |
| 12:45.29 | thewanderer1 | now what format is that... |
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| 12:46.12 | thewanderer1 | haha, there's a file called "SCHILY.acl.access" inside :P |
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| 12:59.08 | sanal_madatheth | hello all |
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| 13:00.05 | sanal_madatheth | the package disksearch is found to be missing in squeeze. |
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| 13:00.47 | sanal_madatheth | earlier it was there in the unstable squeeze. |
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| 13:01.15 | sanal_madatheth | Can anybody help me to find it |
| 13:02.05 | sanal_madatheth | DiskSearch is a tool for searching for files on all your removable media disks |
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| 13:02.41 | sanal_madatheth | please extend your support to find and install the package |
| 13:02.53 | vivid | anyone know why i cant mount an ext2 filesystem in debian/kfreebsd? |
| 13:04.01 | daemonkeeper | Why can't you? |
| 13:04.13 | daemonkeeper | (Consider also #debian-kbsd on OFTC) |
| 13:04.41 | vivid | its dead |
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| 13:04.44 | casts | there's #gnu-kbsd on freenode, too |
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| 13:05.20 | sanal_madatheth | AimHere, hi |
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| 13:16.32 | Kissaki | I am upgrading from lenny to squeeze right now. Remotely over ssh, script and screened, I ran "apt-get upgrade |
| 13:16.32 | Kissaki | ". After pam upgrade it asked for a restart of pam-dependent services. Postgresql was amonst them. It logged "postgresql-8.3: stopping...starting..." but now nothing more happens... What is the best way to continue? |
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| 13:19.00 | Kissaki | ctrl-c and try again? second console and stop-start pgsql manually? |
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| 13:23.23 | Kissaki | oh, logging in with a second ssh and attaching to screen, it seems it displays a pgsql note, but was not displayed on first ... |
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| 13:29.26 | JediKnight | Hello I have problem with my Linux. After fresh installation of my linux, starts up with no gui. After typing "startx" on root level, says "no screens found" Please help. |
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| 13:38.44 | JediKnight | Hello I have problem with my Linux. After fresh installation of my linux, starts up with no gui. After typing "startx" on root level, says "no screens found" Please help. |
| 13:39.34 | valdyn | !noscreensfound |
| 13:39.34 | dpkg | it has been said that no screens found is not a useful message - it means X11 has a problem somewhere with something. Read your /var/log/Xorg.0.log more closely, and look for the real error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about <troubleshooting x>. |
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| 13:46.16 | fabreg | does snapshot.debian.net work ? |
| 13:46.45 | thewanderer1 | http://snapshot.debian.org/ ... |
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| 13:48.00 | Psi-Jack | fabreg: The website is accessable, yes. |
| 13:48.25 | fabreg | Ok now works, thanks. |
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| 13:50.38 | mocca | hi, i want to change my partition table layout, can i use debian installation dvd to chroot into my existing debian system to edit the fstab entry and repair grub? |
| 13:51.19 | thewanderer1 | if you still have any existing debian system after you have messed with the disk, the answer is yes |
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| 13:53.37 | mocca | yes i have working existing debian system no |
| 13:53.49 | mocca | *now |
| 13:55.39 | mocca | thewanderer1: if i change my partition table, my existing debian root partition will change from sda3 to sda2. |
| 13:55.56 | thewanderer1 | you're sure? |
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| 13:56.28 | thewanderer1 | MBR has 4 "slots" - so you can actually have sda1 and sda4, without sda2 and sda3, and many similar weird setups |
| 13:56.45 | thewanderer1 | that is, partition numbers are not necessarily sequential |
| 13:56.48 | mocca | thewanderer: i want to del the first partition. i have dual boot |
| 13:56.52 | nevyn | but you can only have one extended partition |
| 13:57.00 | thewanderer1 | yes, but if you delete the partition, nothing will change |
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| 13:57.29 | mocca | i can resize the partition right? |
| 13:57.42 | thewanderer1 | yes, you can... but if you shrink it, Bad Things might happen |
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| 13:57.55 | thewanderer1 | MBR is not like a queue where you pop() the first element and others are reindexed, anyway |
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| 13:58.19 | thewanderer1 | so... you have sda1, sda2, sda3. you delete sda1. now you have sda2 and sda3 |
| 13:59.05 | mocca | thewanderer1: i haven't delete yet. but i want to delete it |
| 13:59.45 | thewanderer1 | so the partition contains what? something other than Debian? |
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| 14:00.31 | mocca | thewanderer: contains win7, i want to get rid of it. |
| 14:01.01 | thewanderer1 | so... you delete it and Debian still can boot |
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| 14:01.51 | mocca | thewanderer1: you mean after i delete it, i still can boot debian? |
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| 14:02.27 | thewanderer1 | yes |
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| 14:02.50 | thewanderer1 | unless you do something more to the disk, which is rather not advisable |
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| 14:04.55 | Rene1 | hi folks! |
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| 14:05.19 | mocca | thewanderer1: if that the case, then good to hear. Just in case problem occur. how can i chroot to existing system from installations dvd? |
| 14:05.41 | thewanderer1 | mocca: choose "Rescue mode" in the syslinux menu |
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| 14:06.32 | EugenMayer | what would be the correct way to create a ~/.myapp folder in a debian package? PostInst? |
| 14:06.48 | mocca | thewanderer1: does rescue mode will fix fstab to if im screwing up something? |
| 14:06.57 | mocca | *too |
| 14:07.08 | thewanderer1 | nope |
| 14:07.19 | Rene1 | could someone help me to troubleshoot a boot-process that stops after the last /etc/rc2.d/S99xxx script... |
| 14:07.30 | Rene1 | o just don't get the login-screen after this.. |
| 14:07.38 | mocca | thewanderer1: so i need to chroot to edit fstab right? |
| 14:07.41 | thewanderer1 | Rene1: did you break your /etc/inittab ? |
| 14:07.45 | thewanderer1 | mocca: no |
| 14:07.58 | Rene1 | thewanderer1: hmm.. |
| 14:08.02 | thewanderer1 | just need to mount the filesystem and edit that... |
| 14:08.03 | Rene1 | that could actually be.. |
| 14:08.10 | Rene1 | i removed a s0-row from there |
| 14:08.20 | Rene1 | hold on! :-) |
| 14:08.43 | mocca | thewanderer1: ok got it. thanks for the info. |
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| 14:09.10 | thewanderer1 | heh, /etc ought to be backed up daily :P |
| 14:09.26 | themill | EugenMayer: there is no correct way to create it from a package. You could, however, create it on first run of the program that would use it. |
| 14:10.38 | tdn | How do I create transcriptions from some MP3s with speech? Is there some text to speach software available for Debian that will allow me to do that? The language is Danish. |
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| 14:14.48 | Rene1 | thewanderer1: the only thing i have done was removed this row: s0:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L 115200 ttyS0 vt102 |
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| 14:15.03 | Getty | Rene1: you dont like me anymore? :( |
| 14:15.19 | Rene1 | Getty: sure i do :-) |
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| 14:15.24 | Getty | :D |
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| 14:16.03 | thewanderer1 | well, maybe you should revert it :P |
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| 14:24.27 | Rene1 | thewanderer1: i'm just doing it :-) |
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| 14:26.04 | Rene1 | thewanderer1: yeah!! that did it :-) I actually replaced my inittab from a fresh debian install :-) |
| 14:26.59 | Arafangion | doesn't want to repeat this day again... Although he's *thoroughly* impressed with Debian. |
| 14:27.40 | Arafangion | upgraded from a "mixed" system, to oldstable! I suspect it skipped a major revision. |
| 14:27.53 | Rene1 | thewanderer1: thank you for your help!! :-) |
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| 14:35.48 | EugenMayer | how to run gconf for the "current system user" or mabye all normal system users during debian package installation? |
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| 14:39.16 | Erbureth | EugenMayer: why would you want that? |
| 14:40.47 | Arafangion | That's a sign of a badly flawed program design. |
| 14:41.22 | Arafangion | EugenMayer: I assume that such a package would be broken for all future users of the system? |
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| 14:50.19 | EugenMayer | Arafangion: and your done already? You have zero clue of what i do, did not even try to answer my question but rather judge on the approach without a slightly clue of what its about. Any thanks. |
| 14:52.34 | Arafangion | EugenMayer: Well, why *would* you want that? |
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| 15:22.44 | homie | can somone tell me what the fuck is up with adobe reader ? i open several pdf files in a row within firefox and some of them always show the bookmark sidebar whereas the others not! |
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| 15:23.13 | homie | i want the bookmarks sidebar to not open automatically upon pdf loading |
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| 15:25.55 | homie | and neither the render to window-width and nor the render to document-width do take effect somehow...not immediately sometimes and not for all documents sometimes too... |
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| 15:27.13 | homie | even when i disabled the bookmark sidebar explicitly and then saved my bookmarks, it does not obey that rule and some documents open the bookmark sidebar in pdf's anyway... |
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| 15:28.05 | homie | are there anyone who can confirm that ? or is it only me having this problem ? |
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| 15:35.15 | homie | wnas ? |
| 15:35.57 | engla | does someone here have experience with running ubuntu chroots inside debian? I have problems starting a graphical system in the chroot with obvious problems due to services/upstart I guess |
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| 15:36.40 | homie | engla: did you configure the chroot windows manager to occupy another vt ? |
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| 15:37.17 | engla | homie: gdm does that without config, it starts; the problem is that basically nothing in the graphical session works |
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| 15:38.22 | homie | engla: the services are not started automatically, yes, in chroot you have to run them all yourself, or enable /sys too i think |
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| 15:39.10 | engla | homie: in this new version of schroot I'm using it seems to handle a lot of /dev and /sys it seems, I probably just haven't found the correct recipe to start all the desktop services (dbus, udev? I don't know which) |
| 15:39.12 | homie | engla: mounting sysfs was/is required for some services to be configured properly, besides that you have to use init in the chroot too i think |
| 15:39.30 | engla | homie: yeah using the init (upstart) is impossible |
| 15:39.54 | homie | engla: well actually the last time in lenny schroot was all handling that somehow |
| 15:40.16 | homie | engla: have a look in the docs and on the web for schroot |
| 15:40.34 | engla | ok |
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| 15:41.00 | homie | engla: it was even starting into a system just from the boot ... |
| 15:41.10 | homie | must really be a configure thing |
| 15:41.43 | dury | hi there all |
| 15:41.48 | engla | ok that sounds better than what I hoped (after searching a lot) |
| 15:41.56 | engla | homie: I'm off on another round of documentation thanks a lot |
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| 15:42.35 | dury | how do I install flashplayer in squeeze I?m in Lxde? |
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| 15:42.58 | dury | i?m = I'm |
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| 15:49.42 | engla | homie: do you know if I can do a direct boot into the chroot directory? Sounds like a tricky operation |
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| 15:50.16 | homie | engla: yes you can |
| 15:50.19 | homie | engla: with a proper config you can yes |
| 15:50.22 | Mikhail_ | Who know Debian & OpenvPN? To connect to internet i need to setup OpenVPN, but on offline it's not too easy )) Using dpkg I install openvpn, but tap-adapter are haven't been installed. What should I do to install it? |
| 15:50.43 | dury | what's the command to launch file manager in Lxde |
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| 15:51.00 | homie | engla: at least it works for debian based systems, don't know if it would work for gentoo too for example |
| 15:51.34 | dury | sorry ... |
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| 15:52.23 | dury | the command to launch the Lxde's file manager |
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| 15:53.02 | homie | !lxde |
| 15:53.02 | dpkg | from memory, lxde is Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment, available for Debian since Lenny. To get LXDE, ask me about <install lxde>. http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE:Questions http://www.lxde.org/ #lxde on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:53.09 | eXpLoD | is there any apt command which shows alll the packages installed? |
| 15:53.21 | homie | dpkg -l |
| 15:53.22 | dpkg | homie: no idea |
| 15:53.49 | homie | dpkg -L it is not a bar! which shows you all installed packages |
| 15:53.49 | dpkg | ii it is not a bar! which shows you all installed packages 3.3-4.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 15:53.58 | homie | ups |
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| 15:55.13 | swdx | hi, cannot connect garmin gps to debian. could someone help? |
| 15:55.21 | xyzp | testing |
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| 15:56.34 | llutz | swdx: what kind of garmin? |
| 15:56.46 | homie | garmin the bear! |
| 15:56.58 | swdx | llutz it is garmin etrex H |
| 15:57.01 | themill | dpkg: tell eXpLoD about installed |
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| 15:57.04 | llutz | swdx: try http://rfc1149.de/index.php#2010-10-31 |
| 15:57.24 | swdx | llutz will check |
| 15:57.34 | themill | swdx: gpsman is quirky but should work |
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| 16:09.12 | swdx | problem connecting gps garmin with qlandkarte... dmesg says gps is connected to /dev/ttyUSB but qlandkarte configurated to read /dev/ttyUSB0 says cannot read device.. what's wrong?? |
| 16:09.26 | xk | ls -la /dev/ttyUSB0 |
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| 16:12.46 | kgr | come on, stop it |
| 16:12.53 | kgr | we got it already |
| 16:13.01 | Christie | ?! |
| 16:13.16 | jhutchins_lt | kgr: It's not a person, it's a spambot of some sort. |
| 16:13.21 | kgr | ah :) |
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| 16:13.34 | kgr | well, too bad :) |
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| 16:14.40 | swdx | problem connecting gps garmin with qlandkarte... dmesg says gps is connected to /dev/ttyUSB0 but qlandkarte configurated to read /dev/ttyUSB0 says cannot connect to serial device.. what's wrong?? |
| 16:14.45 | jelly-home | xk: please try to recognize a joe job |
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| 16:14.51 | Arafangion | kgr: No human types that fast. |
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| 16:15.17 | Arafangion | kgr: And no inteligent creature would cut&paste like that. |
| 16:15.26 | kunwon1 | xk: i didn't spam, they're trying to frame me :p |
| 16:15.30 | xk | lol |
| 16:15.31 | kgr | Arafangion: never underestimate the enemy :) |
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| 16:16.04 | kgr | and I just got a notification, and seen all the messages, didn't inspect it properly before writing, sorry |
| 16:16.38 | Arafangion | kgr: True... I"ve heard the expression, "Stupidity knows no bounds", so I should've already known. :) |
| 16:16.58 | kgr | kgr: I agree 100% :) |
| 16:17.33 | kgr | Arafangion: and spoiling a saturday with those messages is simply inhumane :) |
| 16:18.11 | Arafangion | kgr: What's inhumane is having an IT guy come in and destroy your weekend because they didn't read the website: "Service is down". |
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| 16:18.35 | Arafangion | kgr: Thought that resetting the router might do the trick(!) |
| 16:19.00 | llutz | swdx: theres no need to configure usb-ports. set qlandkarte to use "Garmin" and select your device |
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| 16:19.27 | kgr | Arafangion: haha, yes, that's worse |
| 16:20.07 | dury | how do I install flashplayer in iceweasel |
| 16:20.10 | kgr | Arafangion: but you could always try saying: "hmm, stange, works for me" :) |
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| 16:20.33 | dury | first of all .... hi there all :) |
| 16:20.41 | Arafangion | kgr: I do NOT like driving there and back for 4 hours, to change a single IP address! (I had no idea what he had done, turns out he changed the subnet) |
| 16:20.43 | daemonkeeper | !tell dury about adobe flash |
| 16:20.59 | bonjoyee | when can we expect a more up-to-date iceweasel in debian? |
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| 16:21.23 | llutz | swdx: like this http://picpaste.com/qlandk.png |
| 16:21.34 | themill | subscribes bonjoyee to debian-devel-announce |
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| 16:21.50 | Arafangion | bonjoyee: Use chromium if you don't like iceweasle. |
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| 16:21.55 | Arafangion | *iceweasel. |
| 16:22.28 | kgr | Arafangion: I could come up with better ways to spend the weekend too, so nothing funny indeed |
| 16:22.40 | bonjoyee | Arafangion: "unfortunately" i like it for its extensions!! |
| 16:23.06 | daemonkeeper | bonjoyee: There was recently an ongoing discussion on debian-devel. It was discussed whether it is worth to introduce Iceweasel 3.6 or skip that and go directly with 4.0. Thing is, this will break a lot of things. |
| 16:23.24 | swdx | llutz: it gives this message: ... Failed to download waypoints. Failed to open serial device |
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| 16:23.53 | daemonkeeper | Ah, well, I see, they decided to go with Iceweasel 4.0 directly. |
| 16:24.00 | daemonkeeper | Announced today |
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| 16:24.09 | bonjoyee | daemonkeeper: ok...now thats more like it:) |
| 16:24.09 | Arafangion | kgr: Yes, the only thing you can do about it is to go to an expensive restuarant afterwards, and put it on the bill. |
| 16:24.45 | llutz | swdx: "modprobe -r garmin_gps" then reconnect the device. i'm using a etrexHCx but it should work similar |
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| 16:25.04 | kgr | Arafangion: nice, I don't think I can do that :) |
| 16:25.15 | kgr | Arafangion: but I should negotiate that |
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| 16:25.24 | naquad | hi |
| 16:25.34 | kgr | Arafangion: altough I'm a programmer, so I don't get too many calls |
| 16:25.43 | kgr | Arafangion: I get texts from Nagios :D |
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| 16:26.19 | Arafangion | kgr: I am also a programmer, but this was my dad's business with the problem... I was compelled to come... You know how it goes. |
| 16:26.48 | naquad | i'm trying to configure snmpd, i've installed it and snmp-mibs-downloader. changed passwords for users and restarted snmpd daemon, i've tried to query localhost: `snmpwalk -v 3 -c public remotemachineipaddress system' and it bailed out with error: 'system: Unknown Object Identifier (Sub-id not found: (top) -> system)' . what am i doing wrong? |
| 16:27.04 | kgr | Arafangion: I do webaps mostly and we have some servers in the cloud, which I'm managing, of course Debian-based :) |
| 16:27.29 | Arafangion | kgr: I try Very Hard to have Somebody Else manage the service. :) |
| 16:27.36 | kgr | Arafangion: but it's true that thing tend to pop up on friday or on the weekend :) |
| 16:27.58 | Arafangion | kgr: I'm also deaf, so I don't have a phone number they can call. :) |
| 16:28.00 | kgr | Arafangion: we're still developing, so we're cutting costs, but hopefully, some day... :) |
| 16:28.29 | kgr | Arafangion: but it's 21st century, so I guess they have many other ways of reaching you... so no hiding |
| 16:28.46 | Arafangion | kgr: It's usually easier to go to the person next to me. |
| 16:29.10 | kgr | Arafangion: where are you from, by the way ? |
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| 16:29.20 | Arafangion | Australia. (And yes, it's 3:30am) |
| 16:29.24 | swdx | llutz: doesn't work... i have pasted as root. modprobe -r garmin_gps but nothing happens |
| 16:29.55 | kgr | Arafangion: I'm from Poland so its 5:30pm, but I work for US-based companies, so it's actually morning for me |
| 16:30.11 | Arafangion | kgr: That's twisted! |
| 16:30.31 | kgr | Arafangion: anyway, isn't our work fun ? ;) |
| 16:30.48 | kgr | Arafangion: that's called globalisation :) |
| 16:30.51 | Arafangion | kgr: Thinking of newer and better ways to solve solved problems? |
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| 16:31.29 | augh | can someone help me set up a wireless usb belkin f7d1101 stick? the ouput of lsusb is here http://pastebin.com/NDG0bwFx I tried aptitude install firmware-realtek but it was not found... I could get it but was trying earlier to get ndiswrapper set up and babilen (in this channel) said to set it up this way |
| 16:31.29 | Arafangion | kgr: No three people on my team of... 20? are in the same country! |
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| 16:31.57 | dury | gessss trying my best to install the plugin and not success |
| 16:32.14 | dury | flashplayer |
| 16:32.19 | Arafangion | kgr: Anyway, I'm off to bed. I'm starting to get confused about what's fact, what's exageration... What's real... |
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| 16:34.44 | kgr | Arafangion: (was on the phone) |
| 16:35.07 | b52 | hey, can i tell aptitude to install the default debian configs as well? my mysql server misses debian-start :/ |
| 16:35.12 | kgr | Arafangion: ok, good night, I hope I'll meet you around |
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| 16:35.26 | kgr | Arafangion: perhaps I can add you as a friend... somehow |
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| 16:35.53 | Arafangion | starts getting uncomfortable! ;) |
| 16:36.21 | kgr | Arafangion: come on, we're civilized in Europe ;) |
| 16:36.28 | kgr | Arafangion: I'd ask you to dinner first |
| 16:37.00 | daemonkeeper | "add as friend"? This is IRC. It has not changed since 1992. No Facebookisms here |
| 16:37.12 | daemonkeeper | (Fortunately!) |
| 16:37.22 | Arafangion | In any case, I only add "friends" to mien. |
| 16:37.24 | Arafangion | *mine |
| 16:37.24 | kgr | daemonkeeper: but I have some Mac OS X client, so ... |
| 16:37.49 | Arafangion | Ahh, well, the Mac OS X users are "special", right? |
| 16:37.51 | kgr | daemonkeeper: and I haven't used much IRC until lately |
| 16:37.55 | daemonkeeper | ... so you want condolence? |
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| 16:38.05 | kgr | Arafangion: they're something between IRC and Facebook :) |
| 16:38.19 | Arafangion | kgr: IRC is nearly faceless. |
| 16:38.27 | Arafangion | kgr: Eveyrone you meet is transcient. |
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| 16:38.42 | Arafangion | kgr: Facebook is pretty much full of faces, but they mean nothing. |
| 16:38.54 | kgr | Arafangion: exactly, Facebook is just trendy |
| 16:38.59 | daemonkeeper | kgr: I wasn't too serious. Just wanted to point out IRC is not related to this Web 2.0 online social network thingy |
| 16:39.05 | kgr | Arafangion: and here I'm to help and get help |
| 16:39.12 | kgr | Arafangion: and learn something along the way |
| 16:39.17 | augh | so I think the chipset is a RTL8192SU |
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| 16:39.27 | Arafangion | By the way, facebook chat is surprisingly good, if you *don't* use facebook. |
| 16:39.29 | kgr | daemonkeeper: I'm not a fun of those, so no offence taken :) |
| 16:39.36 | Arafangion | (You can connect to it using Jabber!) |
| 16:40.21 | themill | b52: "/msg dpkg confmiss" you'll need to use "dpkg -S" or "apt-file" to work out what package needs to be reinstalled |
| 16:40.23 | kgr | Arafangion: my 70-year old mother uses Facebook, so that's the main use case for me :) |
| 16:40.46 | daemonkeeper | So I'm the last human not on Facebook I suppose. |
| 16:41.08 | Arafangion | kgr: My boss, whole family, and ALL of my friends use it, so I'm forced to follow suit if I want to know *anything* about what's happening *anywhere*. |
| 16:41.11 | kgr | daemonkeeper: not yet, but if they keep the pace you might just be :) |
| 16:41.12 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
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| 16:41.49 | kgr | Arafangion: but as you pointed out it's all super shallow there, people just collect "friends" without even saying "Hi" |
| 16:41.58 | kgr | Arafangion: not my thing |
| 16:42.12 | Arafangion | kgr: But at least I know how many I have. How many do YOU have? |
| 16:42.37 | daemonkeeper | points to themill's comment |
| 16:42.44 | Arafangion | kgr: Not many, I suspect - you're trying to pick up guys on IRC! |
| 16:42.49 | Arafangion | ;) |
| 16:42.51 | kgr | Arafangion: 25 but I did some serious cleanup lately |
| 16:43.02 | Arafangion | kgr: So now it's 3? ;) |
| 16:43.03 | kgr | Arafangion: without much luck as it turns out ;) |
| 16:43.06 | themill | kgr, Arafangion: perhaps it's time to take this to a /msg or somewhere else |
| 16:43.25 | kgr | Arafangion: actually it's 25 after the cleanup, but some of those deserve deletion too |
| 16:43.25 | Arafangion | Yeah, I should close this and get some sleep. |
| 16:43.38 | kgr | Arafangion: you do that |
| 16:43.59 | kgr | Arafangion: nice talking to you though |
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| 16:45.00 | dury | how do I install .deb file in Lxde? |
| 16:45.07 | kgr | themill: you might have a point :) |
| 16:45.12 | laurus | When I run sudo aptitude safe-upgrade, I get E: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/a/avahi/avahi-autoipd_0.6.27-2+squeeze1_amd64.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 149.20.20.6 80] . What's going on? |
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| 16:45.31 | niklaswe | laurus: try apt-get update |
| 16:45.37 | niklaswe | laurus: and try again |
| 16:45.44 | daemonkeeper | dury: Lxde is a desktop environment, right? So this question is a bit ambigous |
| 16:45.53 | laurus | niklaswe, it worked. Weird. Why? |
| 16:46.07 | daemonkeeper | laurus: Because this is, how apt works. |
| 16:46.12 | laurus | daemonkeeper, sorry? |
| 16:46.22 | themill | laurus: your apt had an out-of-date list of packages. It thought a package existed that no longer does |
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| 16:46.35 | laurus | And "sudo aptitude update" didn't fix that? |
| 16:46.53 | laurus | I had run it before running "sudo aptitude safe-upgrade". |
| 16:46.54 | tharkun | themill: rough morning? |
| 16:46.55 | daemonkeeper | laurus: You hold a local database you need to update regulary. So this happens from time to time when you try to install a package with an outdated local database. |
| 16:47.15 | laurus | daemonkeeper, right, I'm just confused why "apt-get update" fixed it but "aptitude update" didn't. |
| 16:47.23 | dury | daemonkeeper: well... in squeeze? |
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| 16:47.58 | daemonkeeper | dury: I mean: What's your problem? You can alsways open a terminal and type "apt-get install $whatever" as root |
| 16:48.03 | daemonkeeper | *always |
| 16:48.22 | daemonkeeper | laurus: Sure you did use aptitude before? aptitude update works as well |
| 16:48.33 | laurus | daemonkeeper, I'm sure. But thanks, this worked anyway :) |
| 16:49.14 | b_jonas | Could you recommend me what software I can use to encode music to mp3 or aac formats (for playing on my mobile phone)? |
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| 16:49.57 | b_jonas | apparently it's not easy because there are patent problems |
| 16:50.07 | homie | i had to clean several packages which were in the old lenny install cd, but are apparently now absent from squeeze... |
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| 16:50.40 | daemonkeeper | b_jonas: Right. You can still install lame from external repositories, e.g. Christian Marillat's. |
| 16:50.43 | laurus | b_jonas, I have a recommendation, one sec |
| 16:50.45 | homie | i only recognized that after i did comment in the deb line for the cd in sources.list |
| 16:50.57 | themill | laurus: actually, in this case, it looks like this package is a not-yet-released security update so the security mirror you used just wasn't in a consistent state yet. That can happen occasionally. |
| 16:51.02 | b_jonas | daemonkeeper: so I should try lame? |
| 16:51.10 | stew | b_jonas: we use aacplusenc for acc and lame for mp3 for making ringtones, but you wont find eithe rin debian |
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| 16:51.25 | daemonkeeper | Yes. Use lame with or without frontend of your choice. |
| 16:51.25 | laurus | themill, ah, that's it. Thanks for the clarification! |
| 16:51.40 | dury | daemonkeeper: I want to install this flashplayer-mozilla_10.2.152.27-0.0_i386.deb I already downloaded it.. how do I install it? |
| 16:51.57 | homie | made several libs get removed too and made me recompile even emacs, cause it was not usable after that |
| 16:52.04 | daemonkeeper | dury: dpkg -i package.deb. Are you really sure you know what you're doing? |
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| 16:52.44 | daemonkeeper | dury: There are very few use cases where it makes sense to install a package directly by hand (i.e. to use dpkg not apt-get/aptitude) |
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| 16:54.24 | laurus | b_jonas, is ogg an option on that player? |
| 16:54.32 | laurus | More and more players are supporting ogg these days. |
| 16:54.47 | b_jonas | laurus: no, this mobile phone (Nokia 6303) doesn't play ogg |
| 16:55.08 | b_jonas | though I might be able to install some java-based player app on it that does play ogg |
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| 16:55.42 | laurus | b_jonas, there is a neat program called "oggenc" |
| 16:56.20 | laurus | I just checked and I used "lame" last time I did this like the others recommended. |
| 16:57.11 | laurus | b_jonas, check out http://www.umnet.com/download-software/1384-New_Ultra_Mp3_Player |
| 16:57.55 | laurus | If you want to use ogg :) |
| 16:57.58 | dury | daemonkeeper: gesss no availble to install flashplayer in iceweasel |
| 16:58.23 | dury | daemonkeepe: I mean not able to do it :( |
| 16:58.34 | daemonkeeper | dury: I know, and I already told you (well I instructed dpkg to tell you) how |
| 16:59.02 | homie | dury: i did ! |
| 16:59.18 | dury | gesss how is it |
| 16:59.20 | XLV | iceweasel isnt just a skin over firefox? |
| 16:59.29 | laurus | b_jonas, it looks like this is the official page for the player: http://gallery.mobile9.com/f/433945/ |
| 16:59.33 | XLV | and why dont you use regular firefox and be done with it? |
| 16:59.45 | daemonkeeper | XLV: A bit more, but is is absolutely compatible to all Firefox extensions. |
| 16:59.46 | homie | dury: extract the tar.gz or tar.bz2 file when you download it from adobe then put that in the plugins folder of you iceweasel/firefox |
| 16:59.52 | cantido | XLV: its to do with trademark issues |
| 17:00.04 | laurus | XLV, take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project |
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| 17:00.12 | homie | hmm, but i use the 3.6 version of firefox, not iceweasel |
| 17:00.24 | cantido | Mozilla dont want debian to ship security patches.. doh |
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| 17:00.50 | daemonkeeper | cantido: No, they want Debian to /upgrade/ to new version instead to /backport/ fixes. |
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| 17:00.59 | dury | homie: but I'm in lxde not gnome |
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| 17:01.11 | XLV | meh... OSS egos stike again |
| 17:01.16 | cantido | daemonkeeper: which is the same as "ship security patches" no? |
| 17:01.40 | _linuxftw | I'm having some problems getting the wireless in an old laptop to work. I have the driver loaded into the kernel (ipw2100), iwconfig shows the wireless interface as eth1, iwlist scan eth1 when run as root reports "No scan results". |
| 17:01.41 | daemonkeeper | cantido: Depends. Mozillas point of view is "no patch, but update to newer versions" |
| 17:01.55 | hochron | can someone help me set up a wireless usb adapter? |
| 17:02.04 | laurus | XLV: "approval from the Mozilla Corporation would have been required for all security patches, but the Debian project felt it could not put its security in the hands of an external corporation in that manner." How is that ego? |
| 17:02.13 | laurus | Seems more of a practicality to me. |
| 17:02.18 | homie | dury: that does not play a role, get the binary sources from firefox, extract it to some folder, get the flashplayer plugin extract it to the plugins folder of the firefox dir then start your firefox from that firefox dir, that's all... |
| 17:02.20 | daemonkeeper | dury: This is not related to your desktop environment. Enable contrib and non-free repositories and then do apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 17:02.21 | jhutchins_lt | XLV: It's the firefox code with a trivial search-and-replace of the word iceweasel for firefox. It runs as firefox, you can call it as firefox. |
| 17:02.28 | _linuxftw | Could somebody suggest a way to further diagnose the problem? |
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| 17:02.47 | homie | dury: at least that's how i did it and it worked |
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| 17:03.12 | daemonkeeper | jhutchins_lt: + replace non-free logos + auto-update |
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| 17:03.22 | homie | dury: and my distro-iceweasel is not in the way... |
| 17:03.41 | jhutchins_lt | Is something wrong with flashplayer-nonfree? |
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| 17:04.49 | homie | you only get that when you enable debian-multimedia.org in your sources.list |
| 17:05.11 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: besides it sucks i haven't heard anything |
| 17:05.30 | daemonkeeper | homie: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 17:05.58 | homie | and even whith the newest version sometimes i get a update to flashplayer 10 or so everytime with it |
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| 17:06.07 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: Um, it downloads the current adobe flashplayer and installs it. |
| 17:06.14 | homie | i mean i get the message on some things in my browser |
| 17:06.16 | Ringo_ | what does this mean in dmesg usbcore: registered new interface driver rtl819xU? |
| 17:06.23 | achury | I have tried gnash (free flash alternative) works great with local SWF files but cant install it as browser plugin in order watch youtube videos |
| 17:06.38 | homie | swfdec-mozilla and gnash are great yes |
| 17:06.39 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: yes but it is the flashplayer that really sucks specially on 64 bit arch |
| 17:06.52 | homie | unless it comes to some things which require the 10 version of flashplugin |
| 17:06.54 | Ringo_ | do I need to restart after using modprobe.... ok nm |
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| 17:07.18 | apwxxsdf | hi, i'm trying to compile one program on debian, but getting this error: http://pastebin.com/MWddF9Ka |
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| 17:07.24 | apwxxsdf | what's wrong? |
| 17:07.42 | daemonkeeper | mssl.c:20:25: error: openssl/ssl.h: No such file or directory <- You miss the openssl devel package |
| 17:07.45 | achury | gnash page says that can watch any youtube video but I dont understood how to install |
| 17:07.50 | dury | daemonkeeper: Enable contrib and non-free repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list but which are the lines that I have to add? |
| 17:08.25 | daemonkeeper | Just add "non-free" and "contrib" after your "deb .... main" entry |
| 17:08.34 | daemonkeeper | See also the factoid ... |
| 17:08.37 | themill | dpkg: tell apwxxsdf about apt-file |
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| 17:08.43 | themill | apwxxsdf: "apt-file search openssl/ssl.h" |
| 17:09.07 | dury | right |
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| 17:10.08 | homie | apwxxsdf: you don't have the headers installed ? |
| 17:10.19 | apwxxsdf | seems so |
| 17:10.22 | homie | apwxxsdf: get the openssh-dev package or so |
| 17:10.23 | Ringo_ | do I have to do something with unplugging it and plugging it back in??? |
| 17:10.34 | homie | or openssl whatever .... |
| 17:11.19 | _linuxftw | nobody have any suggestions? |
| 17:11.37 | Ringo_ | babilen: you there? |
| 17:11.42 | themill | homie: don't guess... that doesn't help anyone |
| 17:11.50 | babilen | Ringo_: yes? |
| 17:11.53 | doda | seems like the hungarian proposed updates server is down |
| 17:11.56 | doda | any idea ? |
| 17:12.05 | daemonkeeper | Use another? |
| 17:12.08 | babilen | doda: Get a technician over there? |
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| 17:12.24 | dury | daemonkeeper: deb http://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main |
| 17:12.43 | doda | E: Release file expired, ignoring http://ftp.hu.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze-proposed-updates/Release (invalid since 5d 2h 55min 41s) |
| 17:12.46 | Ringo_ | I had the usb wireless prob yesterday, do I have to unplug it or something?? I tried what you said yesterday and am going to post it |
| 17:12.48 | doda | this is the error |
| 17:12.51 | dury | daemonkeeper: deb http://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main "non-free" like this |
| 17:13.11 | daemonkeeper | Yes, but without quotation marks |
| 17:13.18 | daemonkeeper | Also, don't forget "contrib" |
| 17:13.40 | homie | themill: well i can only give advice, when the problem is within the program itself he compiles like the header dir's were not correct in some script or so, well then he has to edit those.... |
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| 17:14.40 | qknight | if i install a package using 'dpkg -i foo-0.0.1.deb' what happens exactly (which docu should i read)? |
| 17:14.51 | dury | daemonkeeper: deb http://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main non-free contrib like this? |
| 17:15.17 | daemonkeeper | dury: Yes, that's fine. |
| 17:15.17 | dury | right |
| 17:15.27 | daemonkeeper | Then do apt-get update, apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 17:15.40 | dury | right |
| 17:15.50 | themill | homie: no, you'll see that I told him precisely how to find out what package the header file he needs is in (and I know what output the suggested command will give) |
| 17:15.53 | homie | i have the non-free and contrib in my sources.list so why don't i see the flashplugin-nonfree thing ? |
| 17:15.58 | doda | babilen: can you check the error ? :) |
| 17:15.58 | jelly-home | homie: sometimes it's better to let someone else give correct advice than to put a user on the wrong track |
| 17:16.17 | themill | homie: what release of debian are you using? |
| 17:16.24 | homie | squeeze |
| 17:16.47 | Ringo_ | babilen, ok the pastes are here http://paste.debian.net/108927/ I ran the modeprobe commands after installing firmware-realtek and everything seemed to work fine, do I have to unplug it? restart? |
| 17:17.10 | homie | i only see the flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound thing, but not the other |
| 17:17.11 | Ringo_ | I know I dont have to restart |
| 17:17.45 | babilen | Ringo_: What is there to do if everyhting works fine? (yay!) |
| 17:18.05 | themill | homie: what architecture? |
| 17:18.11 | homie | i386 |
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| 17:18.27 | Ringo_ | I still cant use iceweasel to go to yahoo.com, do I have to tweak that to? |
| 17:18.32 | themill | homie: did you run "aptitude update" after changing your sources.list? |
| 17:18.32 | apwxxsdf | homie: ty but now it's: http://pastebin.com/3JEkFgcb |
| 17:18.39 | homie | yep i did |
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| 17:19.01 | Ringo_ | hmmmm, it would really be great if I could irc in debian |
| 17:19.08 | daemonkeeper | apwxxsdf: Well, now you miss net-snmp. Use themill's hint again for that missing header |
| 17:19.19 | themill | apwxxsdf: use apt-file as I showed you earlier. |
| 17:19.32 | babilen | Ringo_: Do you have a network connection? (can you "ping 8.8.8.8" for example? what about "ping google.com" ?) |
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| 17:20.24 | apwxxsdf | ye i used it but without net- |
| 17:20.27 | apwxxsdf | :) |
| 17:20.30 | apwxxsdf | thx |
| 17:20.34 | babilen | Ringo_: If the device is working you still have to configure it. See, for example, http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse (i recommend wicd, but network-manager would work too (as would all the other methods mentioned there)) |
| 17:20.50 | Ringo_ | ok cool |
| 17:20.54 | Ringo_ | thank you |
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| 17:21.14 | babilen | Ringo_: You could also try "iwconfig" and "iwlist wlan0 scan" to see if your device works ... Use wicd/n-m/wpa-supplicant for configuration then |
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| 17:21.42 | babilen | Ringo_: do you have to connect to different networks with that computer? (i.e. do you walk around with it) |
| 17:21.51 | Ringo_ | no |
| 17:22.10 | dury | daemonkeeper: great :) success |
| 17:22.33 | babilen | Ringo_: Ah, so it is more or less a desktop, but you still want to connect using WLAN? |
| 17:22.33 | dury | daemonkeeper: thanks so much indeed :) |
| 17:22.41 | daemonkeeper | Never mind |
| 17:22.57 | Ringo_ | babilen, yep |
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| 17:23.23 | Ringo_ | I plan to get back into programming after I am losing my job |
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| 17:23.51 | Ringo_ | haven't programmed in 10 years.. except python |
| 17:24.13 | Ringo_ | do you code? |
| 17:24.15 | babilen | Ringo_: Ok, I wouldn't bother with wicd or network-manager then, but configure it in your /etc/network/interfaces -- The method I am talking about is detailed in http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant also see /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz |
| 17:24.29 | Ringo_ | ok |
| 17:24.35 | babilen | Ringo_: yes i code |
| 17:24.55 | XLV | Ringo_, well, if you stock up on coffee, you wont even feel unemployment ( no personal expenses, personal life or food while coding ) |
| 17:24.58 | babilen | Ringo_: That configures a single network (the only one you are connecting to) |
| 17:25.27 | Ringo_ | got any open sorce video games you would suggest contributing towards |
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| 17:26.13 | Ringo_ | source* |
| 17:26.15 | babilen | hehe, no. I am into natural language processing, not video games. But this is getting OT ... Great that the wifi adaptor is working now :) |
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| 17:26.41 | Ringo_ | phone thank you again |
| 17:26.52 | babilen | Ringo_: no problem |
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| 17:31.25 | babilen | Ringo_: Good luck and see you later |
| 17:31.33 | Ringo_ | bye |
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| 17:32.36 | Kissaki | relocation error: /lib32/libresolv.so.2: symbol strlen, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 17:32.44 | Kissaki | is that an ia32-lib problem? |
| 17:32.52 | Kissaki | how would I fix that? |
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| 17:33.35 | Kissaki | (debian 6, x64, running murmur server, after about 90 seconds server crashes with that msg) |
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| 17:34.21 | RminFX | Hi all how can i Remaster my Debian Customized !!!? |
| 17:36.53 | b_jonas | thanks for the hint everyone: lame does seem to work: |
| 17:37.06 | b_jonas | I could encode a song with it and my mobile phone does play it (and also displays the metadata) |
| 17:37.18 | b_jonas | now I'll encode all the other songs too |
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| 17:40.02 | RminFX | Hi all how can i Remaster my Debian Customized !!!? |
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| 17:52.47 | macrobat_ | RminFX: a live cd or something? |
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| 18:00.37 | bewdieloomba | hello people |
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| 18:00.47 | bewdieloomba | will dropbox work on debian? |
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| 18:03.55 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
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| 18:04.25 | qwd | I want to mount a hard drive (using lvm and dm-crypt) at startup, but I'm not sure how to do it. Here's the output of blkid http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=hmEpfK6P and here's the contents of /etc/crypttab http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=mMjkwfUu and /etc/fstab http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=rZ8sSbmA |
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| 18:05.11 | megana | how do you make computers have network names? |
| 18:05.42 | ikonia | megana: this is #debian, you said you where using ubuntu |
| 18:06.02 | homie | /etc/hostname or so |
| 18:06.19 | homie | and /etc/hosts |
| 18:06.22 | megana | no I need a central solution |
| 18:06.40 | megana | Hi Ikonia, you use debian too? |
| 18:06.43 | un214 | /etc/hostname + dnsmasq |
| 18:06.46 | ikonia | megana: I do |
| 18:06.51 | ikonia | megana: but you said you where using ubuntu |
| 18:06.52 | ikonia | 17:58 < megana> okay ikonia, then I have ubuntu LTS :) |
| 18:06.56 | megana | will that work on ipods un214? |
| 18:07.02 | homie | well bind is ok too |
| 18:07.14 | un214 | if the ipod sends its hostname to the dhcp server |
| 18:07.30 | un214 | if not I think dnsmasq can know hostname from MAC but I'm not sure |
| 18:07.54 | megana | how does dnsmasq work? |
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| 18:08.14 | un214 | its a dns+dhcp server that resolves unqualified names from the dhcp leases |
| 18:08.37 | megana | unqualified names??? |
| 18:08.52 | un214 | names with no dots |
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| 18:09.45 | megana | well everything in my DHCP table has a * for a name |
| 18:09.48 | Datz | Hi, I installed debian through a netinstall cd onto a usb hdd. when I tried booting to it I got nothing so I went into resuce mode and tried to reinstall grub. Now I get a error trying to reinstll grub. what should I do? |
| 18:10.00 | un214 | megana: hmmm |
| 18:10.24 | un214 | hosts should present their local hostname to dhcp server |
| 18:10.24 | Datz | Executing 'grubinstall hd3' failed |
| 18:11.04 | megana | not mine :( |
| 18:11.10 | Datz | I can execute a shell in the install environment fine |
| 18:11.45 | homie | Datz: well, you have to update-grub after reinstalling grub, from within the chroot! |
| 18:11.56 | un214 | in that case see if dnsmasq can determine hostname from mac in its config file |
| 18:12.14 | megana | oh, that's a good idea! |
| 18:12.18 | megana | :O |
| 18:12.21 | Datz | homie: well, grub fails to reinstall |
| 18:12.45 | un214 | how big should /boot be? |
| 18:12.49 | homie | Datz: from where ? from the chroot or from the installer env ? |
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| 18:13.08 | megana | so does dnsmasq run on a computer that acts as a name authority? |
| 18:13.15 | un214 | yes |
| 18:13.32 | Datz | homie: I'm not sure which, which ever is executed by the repair mode of the installer |
| 18:13.39 | Datz | I guess :P |
| 18:14.12 | homie | homie: and which is your partition ? do you install to mbr or to some /root ? |
| 18:14.24 | homie | err Datz: i meant sorry |
| 18:15.06 | Datz | homie: I've tried to install to any available partition of that drive |
| 18:15.18 | megana | see ikonia, was that so hard! |
| 18:15.20 | homie | Datz: install it first onto mbr |
| 18:15.39 | Datz | homie: I want to install it to that drive only, as it's a usb hdd |
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| 18:15.51 | megana | thanks un214 |
| 18:16.09 | homie | Datz: ok then give it in the rescue mode the name of the partition like /dev/sda1 /dev/hda1 /etc/sdb1 etc... |
| 18:16.11 | Datz | homie: and I want it to be portable |
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| 18:16.35 | Datz | homie for the location to reinstall grub? |
| 18:16.40 | homie | Datz: it's normally not a problem to install and boot from usb, as i've done it often too |
| 18:17.13 | Datz | homie: yea, I just set up ubuntu on another external drive, worked fine |
| 18:17.18 | homie | Datz: yes, you can either press just enter then it will select the mbr of the active partition which is marked by your bios for booting |
| 18:17.36 | homie | Datz: or you can give it the name of the partition to install |
| 18:18.02 | homie | Datz: and if you'r bios or you did changed the order of the active partition to boot into you may get problems |
| 18:18.07 | Datz | homie: ok I'll try specifiying /dev/drive instead of hd3 or whatever |
| 18:18.23 | Datz | homie: humm |
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| 18:18.56 | Datz | homie: when I specify to install to the usb hdd I see it working, then fails :P |
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| 18:19.04 | homie | Datz: it maybe you have to change the boot order in bios, if you don't want to reinstall grub again and again |
| 18:19.37 | Datz | homie: I'm selecting which drive to boot from a list |
| 18:20.03 | Datz | homie: didn't fail with /dev/sdd instead of hd3 |
| 18:20.10 | Datz | let's see if it works :) |
| 18:20.14 | homie | ok |
| 18:20.28 | homie | i hope you know what is really what in your system |
| 18:20.47 | homie | in case of usb it maybe you had to use sdd3 or some such |
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| 18:21.06 | homie | not hd, depends on grub version etc... |
| 18:21.14 | Datz | homie: I think it is right, appears to be working |
| 18:21.19 | homie | ok |
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| 18:21.58 | Datz | homie: sure, instruction for reinstalling grub say to use either hd* or /dev/sd* |
| 18:22.28 | Datz | working! thanks homie. didn't think to try other syntax :) |
| 18:22.28 | homie | no i mean the prefix sd* not hd*, and /dev/sd* is distinct from those |
| 18:22.43 | cpf_ | Hi, I want to install some virtualization on a debian server and am doubting between KVM and Xen. Which is most stable or most adviced? |
| 18:23.00 | homie | read info on grub, i'm sure there's something mentioning those hd prefixes and syntax... |
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| 18:23.11 | Datz | homie: ok |
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| 18:24.19 | Datz | goes afk for a bit |
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| 18:27.52 | jargon- | if i change a user's login shell from /home/username to /usr/sbin/nologin will this disable their account? |
| 18:29.18 | Datz | When I try and install packages ftp.us.debian.org won't reslove, but I can ping google.com just fine |
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| 18:32.04 | Datz | as I recall from a previous squeeze install the problem may be with ipv6 related |
| 18:32.06 | nkuttler | Datz: maybe your dns is down? |
| 18:32.23 | Datz | nkuttler: would I still be able to ping google.com? |
| 18:32.37 | nkuttler | if there's a cache |
| 18:32.47 | Datz | tries something uncached |
| 18:33.25 | Datz | pinging debian.org works |
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| 18:34.05 | nkuttler | man dig, check the nameserver directly |
| 18:34.33 | nkuttler | or run host ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 18:35.37 | Datz | yea, it gives me IPs for ftp.us.debian.or |
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| 18:36.05 | Datz | so.. something in the way aptitude works.. |
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| 18:36.09 | Datz | idk |
| 18:36.27 | Datz | !noipv6 |
| 18:36.27 | dpkg | To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
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| 18:36.40 | Datz | :\ |
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| 18:36.50 | megana | un214, how do you setup hostname resolution by mac addr? |
| 18:37.47 | Datz | can someone help me to add the last command line option to my bootloader, I'm not exactly sure of how to do it. |
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| 18:41.04 | hochron | what belongs in /etc/network/interfaces for a wireless connection? is wlan0 the device name? |
| 18:41.22 | Datz | do I modify /etc/default/grub? |
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| 18:42.13 | babilen | hochron: see http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant and /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz -- That is if you don't use one of wicd or network-manager |
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| 18:42.30 | babilen | Datz: yes |
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| 18:42.46 | Datz | babilen: ok, I think I got it. restarting. :) |
| 18:42.47 | babilen | Datz: Run "update-grub" afterwards |
| 18:42.54 | Datz | ah right, thanks |
| 18:43.00 | hochron | babilen, the second link is broken :( |
| 18:43.18 | babilen | hochron: The /use/share/doc one? |
| 18:43.24 | chenxer | Datz: or install startupmanager |
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| 18:43.54 | babilen | Datz: What are you trying to do anyway? (just popped in and am curious) |
| 18:44.10 | hochron | yes, iwconfig shows no devices, and I have a built in eth0 here |
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| 18:44.48 | chenxer | babilen: I want that grub list the kernels, how I do that? |
| 18:44.53 | hochron | it wont let me scan the device either :( |
| 18:44.56 | Datz | babilen: hehe iirc you helped me with this issue on a previous install? if not, disabling ipv6 because it is interfering with host resolution |
| 18:44.57 | babilen | hochron: run, for example, "less /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz" to see the README. Can you see your wireless adaptor when you run "ifconfig -a" ? |
| 18:45.15 | hochron | babilen, no |
| 18:45.16 | babilen | Datz: Ah, right ... well, go on :) |
| 18:45.34 | hochron | is wlan0 sposed to show up |
| 18:45.46 | babilen | hochron: So, you have to get the hardware working first. Is it a PCI or USB adaptor you want to use? |
| 18:45.51 | babilen | hochron: Yes, it is. |
| 18:46.06 | hochron | usb |
| 18:46.14 | Datz | babilen: yep that was the issue. working now |
| 18:46.23 | babilen | hochron: Run "lsusb" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net please |
| 18:46.30 | babilen | Datz: wonderful |
| 18:46.44 | Datz | babilen: I'm interested in why this problem always plagues me. It is not an issue for the grand majority of others? |
| 18:47.08 | babilen | Datz: No it is not. I can't exactly tell you why without much more information. |
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| 18:47.19 | Datz | ok, thanks |
| 18:47.24 | babilen | Datz: And might not even be able with more information fwiw :) |
| 18:47.54 | Datz | hehe, np |
| 18:48.28 | Datz | the important thing is that it works with ipv6 disabled |
| 18:48.52 | hochron | babilen, here it is http://paste.debian.net/108933/ |
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| 18:49.47 | babilen | hochron: Have you been here yesterday? |
| 18:50.08 | hochron | yeah I am the one with that problem |
| 18:50.35 | hochron | still trying to get my f7d1101 to work |
| 18:51.09 | hochron | Im the one that asked you about video game prog |
| 18:51.16 | babilen | ah, ok. so we don't have to go through all that again. |
| 18:51.20 | babilen | yeah |
| 18:51.39 | babilen | the f7d1101? |
| 18:52.40 | hochron | iwlist wlan0 scan wont work |
| 18:52.51 | chenxer | how i set grub for list kernels? |
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| 18:53.19 | babilen | hochron: Have you been working with gsimmons on this? |
| 18:53.37 | hochron | iwconfig or ifconfig doesn't have wlan0 in it |
| 18:53.39 | hochron | no |
| 18:53.47 | babilen | !f7d1101 new_id |
| 18:53.47 | dpkg | For use of the <F7D1101> in Linux 2.6.32 (not required for <r8712u>): "echo r8192s_usb >> /etc/modules && echo 'install r8192s_usb /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install r8192s_usb $CMDLINE_OPTS && echo 050d 945a > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/rtl819xU/new_id' >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf && modprobe -r r8192s_usb ; modprobe r8192s_usb". See also <new_id>. |
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| 18:53.54 | babilen | hochron: Have you tried this ^^^ ? |
| 18:54.23 | hochron | wow that might do it |
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| 18:55.05 | babilen | hochron: Have you tried a newer kernel in the meanwhile? (one from sid or experimental) |
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| 18:55.32 | hochron | I got squeeze |
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| 18:57.22 | babilen | yeah, I know. You could still try a newer kernel (linux-image-2.6.37-1-amd64 (sid/wheezy) or linux-image-2.6.38-rc6-amd64 (experimental)) you'll also need a newer linux-base for that. Just download the packages from packages.debian.org and install them with dpkg -i ... I would try the procedure in the factoid first though |
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| 18:57.49 | hochron | ok |
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| 18:58.16 | hochron | I have an i386 32 bit system.... |
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| 18:59.18 | babilen | hochron: Ah, ok ... (the packages are most likely just "amd64" replaced with "686" but let me check that) -- try the procedure outlined by dpkg above first. It is in line with other posts about your adaptor on the interwebs |
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| 19:02.48 | sphenxes | my computer start in console mode (squeeze)? then i type startx to go to gnome? How can I let my computer start in Gnome directly without startx? |
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| 19:04.28 | chenxer | sphenxes: install gdm |
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| 19:07.01 | cheasee | Anyone can recommend me an ssh client for symbian? |
| 19:07.41 | Erbureth | cheasee: putty |
| 19:08.12 | cheasee | Doesnt work |
| 19:08.26 | cheasee | Not compatible |
| 19:08.34 | Erbureth | symbian version? |
| 19:08.43 | cheasee | 3th |
| 19:08.57 | cheasee | Nokia n77 |
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| 19:11.16 | Erbureth | don't know then, i have older symbian |
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| 19:12.04 | cheasee | Heh, i thought mine is old |
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| 19:13.08 | cheasee | im glad i found mirggi as replacement for virca |
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| 19:14.03 | blarsl | Quick question: How do I disable everything Avahi-related without actually uninstalling it? I want to turn off service discovery, mDNS, ad-hoc networking etc, but there is too much software depending on the actual packages to just remove them. |
| 19:14.23 | blarsl | On Squeeze. |
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| 19:15.11 | woonix | Try /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon stop |
| 19:15.20 | cheasee | Blarsl, heh, i got same issue, cant uninstall avahi |
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| 19:15.35 | blarsl | woonix, do I add that in a startup script? |
| 19:16.07 | blarsl | Isn't there some way to tell the init system to just never start it? |
| 19:16.24 | woonix | no, that's just a one time thing. To disable it permanently, then what I would do is go to /etc/rc2.d and rename S21avahi-daemon to K21avahi-daemon |
| 19:16.34 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.51 | ScottG | Is there a way to see changelogs for programs via the command line? Before/after I run an upgrade I find it interesting to know what has changed quickly and a cli solution would be better than poking around for changelogs for all the programs online |
| 19:17.02 | cheasee | Ah, thx woonix! |
| 19:17.15 | woonix | The update-rc.d tool is supposed to be the official way to do stuff like that |
| 19:17.17 | ZykoticK9 | blarsl, if you have gnome installed - the gui method is System / Admin / Services and uncheck avahi-daemon |
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| 19:17.47 | nkuttler | ScottG: install apt-listchanges |
| 19:19.07 | blarsl | ZykoticK9, woonix: Thanks. I don't need to change any other config files to make sure that the host resolver doesn't try to use mDNS even when Avahi isn't running? |
| 19:20.36 | simonrvn | check /etc/nsswitch.conf and remove mdns (or comment those out and copy them but without the mdns statement |
| 19:20.41 | simonrvn | ) |
| 19:21.18 | ScottG | nkuttler: Ah ok. Looks like i already have it install. Gonna check it out. |
| 19:21.37 | blarsl | simonrvn, right, that was the file. Thanks. |
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| 19:31.48 | sharp15 | what packages would i need to serve a printer and possibly files to a Win7 client from a debian host? |
| 19:32.26 | epsilon | samba |
| 19:32.32 | epsilon | +cups |
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| 19:33.03 | sharp15 | epsilon: thank you. |
| 19:33.25 | ScottG | nkuttler: Seems like this needs the .deb files. What directory are .deb's downloaded to prior to install? |
| 19:33.36 | qwd | I want to mount a hard drive (using lvm and dm-crypt) at startup, but I'm not sure how to do it. Here's the output of blkid http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=hmEpfK6P and here's the contents of /etc/crypttab http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=mMjkwfUu and /etc/fstab http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=rZ8sSbmA |
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| 19:34.17 | bolt | ScottG: /var/cache/apt |
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| 19:34.38 | bolt | iirc, dqmot :) |
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| 19:38.15 | sharp15 | is there a way to bring up the samba package's configuration section at a later date? i don't have the information to do that at the moment. |
| 19:38.18 | nkuttler | ScottG: the packages should list the logs automatically, dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges if not |
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| 19:38.42 | nkuttler | sharp15: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 19:38.57 | sharp15 | nkuttler: thank you. |
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| 19:40.10 | ScottG | nkuttler: I don't understand waht you mean |
| 19:40.21 | eXpLoD | crunchbang is based on debian? |
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| 19:43.42 | ScottG | nkuttler: Is there a way to use apt-listchanges so it can take a packages name and just show me the most recent packages changes? (instead of needing a specific .deb file) |
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| 19:47.55 | woonix | ScottG: To view the changelog for the latest version of a particular source package, go to http://changelogs.debian.net/packagename |
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| 19:48.17 | woonix | that's something I just googled |
| 19:48.36 | woonix | though, i read now that it only works for packages in main |
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| 19:49.04 | ScottG | That's still pretty handy, thanks |
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| 19:49.58 | woonix | ScottG: Also, if you look in /usr/share/doc/<packagename> then you'll find a changelog file. You could probably write a script to take a package name and then display that file for you. |
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| 19:50.15 | woonix | for convenience |
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| 19:51.33 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 19:51.59 | ScottG | woonix: Yea definitely. I might write something that checks that site and if it doesn't exist then try checking on the system somewhere |
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| 19:52.03 | HardDisk_WP | can I back up a whole server using scp? i dont want scp to follow recursive links etc |
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| 19:53.01 | woonix | HardDisk_WP: The first thought that comes to mind is to run a tar command to package up your system and then pipe that through scp instead of to a file. |
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| 19:53.33 | HardDisk_WP | what will tar do with stuff like device files and recursive symlinks? |
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| 19:55.14 | blackpenguin | HardDisk_WP: depends on the options used. by default it saves a symlink as a symlink and therefore doesn't follow it. rsync is another option and can be used via ssh, too |
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| 19:55.23 | woonix | You could exclude the /dev directory, and the way that symbolic links are handle is configurable. |
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| 19:56.58 | woonix | I'm not sure what it would do with device files though. |
| 19:57.01 | woonix | if you let it try |
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| 19:57.42 | sobczyk | hi, is there somwhere description how the arm port packages are built? (mtune, mfpu et.) |
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| 20:02.39 | HardDisk_WP | anyone know a ftp daemon that can use LDAP to find out if the user who logs in is allowed to chroot outside of his /home? |
| 20:03.05 | HardDisk_WP | the system in question uses openldap for auth, set up as described in http://www.debian-administration.org/article/585/OpenLDAP_installation_on_Debian |
| 20:03.08 | ouned | hi guys. Im using debian sid on my desktop and is it possible that it will be updated to gnome3? |
| 20:03.22 | woonix | sobczyk: You could try asking in #debian-arm on the server irc.debian.org |
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| 20:04.54 | woonix | HardDisk_WP: I know that proftpd has a ldap module, though I haven't tried using it. |
| 20:05.07 | HardDisk_WP | thanks :) |
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| 20:08.48 | bewdieloomba | hey everybody |
| 20:08.49 | assia | calut ca va |
| 20:08.57 | bewdieloomba | will dropbox work on debian? |
| 20:09.18 | assia | moi assia est toi |
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| 20:10.39 | ScottG | woonix: Seems like changelogs on changelogs.debian.net and in /usr/share/doc are different |
| 20:10.46 | ScottG | Not sure why |
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| 20:11.49 | woonix | ScottG: hm... well I noticed that there are changelogs and then Debian changelogs, the latter catalog the Debian-specific changes and the former showing "upstream" changes from the software author. Maybe it has something to do with that. |
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| 20:12.55 | woonix | bewdieloomba: They already say that it supports linux. You can compile it from source that they provide. https://www.dropbox.com/downloading?os=lnx |
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| 20:13.06 | ScottG | Ah ok so that's the difference. Although I checked both but there are still difference |
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| 20:13.17 | bewdieloomba | woonix, thx |
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| 20:13.58 | woonix | bewdieloomba: You could probably even build your own Debian package for it if you want to spend some time on it. |
| 20:14.05 | ScottG | woonix: What does the website target? (stable, testing, unstable, etc) |
| 20:14.13 | bewdieloomba | cool to know, ty! |
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| 20:14.59 | woonix | ScottG: I'm not sure. The page I landed on from my google search doesn't say. http://changelogs.debian.net/index.php |
| 20:16.04 | ScottG | I've been comparing mplayer |
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| 20:24.43 | BLZbubba_ | i'm on debian unstable, and apt-cache showpkg vlc shows version 1.1.3; but it looks like 1.1.7 should be current according to this: Package: vlc (1.1.7-2 and others) |
| 20:24.56 | BLZbubba_ | ok i meant this: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/video/vlc |
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| 20:25.21 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions vlc |
| 20:25.23 | judd | Package vlc on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2.3; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze2; wheezy: 1.1.3-1squeeze2; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze3; sid: 1.1.7-2 |
| 20:25.29 | ouned | Someone knows if sid gnome packets will be updated to gnome3 automatically? |
| 20:25.41 | chenxer | I want have listed in my grub all kernels, how I do this? |
| 20:25.42 | BLZbubba_ | dodo i have the wrong repo or something? |
| 20:26.05 | jhutchins_lt | BLZbubba_: You shouldn't have to ask this if you're running sid, but pastebin your sources.list |
| 20:26.38 | jhutchins_lt | !ch |
| 20:26.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, ch is Switzerland or Confoederatio Helvetica. There is also a Swiss Debian Association: http://debian.ch/ which lives in #debian.ch . See also #linux.ch on Freenode. |
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| 20:27.09 | BLZbubba_ | ah ok i have wheezy, not sid. on wheezy, vlc 1.1.3 won't install due to a conflict between vlc and libva1 |
| 20:27.16 | jhutchins_lt | Allways wondered how they came up with that abbreviation. |
| 20:27.39 | jhutchins_lt | chenxer: How's your german? |
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| 20:28.46 | chenxer | juutchins_lt: gut |
| 20:28.51 | homie | chenxer: just by update-grub |
| 20:29.00 | jhutchins_lt | BLZbubba_: File it. That's what testing is for. |
| 20:29.05 | homie | chenxer: should get all what is in /boot into grub.cfg or menu.lst |
| 20:29.26 | homie | chenxer: can be that non-distro ones are not recognized per se.... |
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| 20:30.05 | jhutchins_lt | homie: grub/grub2 correctly detects other linux kernels (does pretty good at non-linux stuff too). |
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| 20:31.02 | homie | jhutchins_lt: i've not had that impression always, sometimes it looked lied it failed to recognize some, but that maybe due to errors on my side, can't put my hand's into fire for that |
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| 20:31.34 | homie | jhutchins_lt: maybe mine was too old ... |
| 20:32.02 | jhutchins_lt | For some reason the installer tends to only set up the new installation. That may be deliberate, you just have to run update-grub and it fixes it. |
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| 20:32.39 | todu | I just upgraded to Squeeze from Lenny and now my old Mediawiki stopped working. It serves a blank page to my web browser. I suspect that there is something wrong with PHP but am not sure. I tried to create a file with this text: "<? |
| 20:32.39 | todu | phpinfo(); ?>", and it works when I visit it from my web browser. However when I access another page on my upgraded server it says: "Apache/2.2.16 (Debian) Server at neo101.org Port 80". Before the upgrade that page said: "Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) PHP/5.2.6-1+lenny9 with Suhosin-Patch Server at neo101.org Port 80". So I'm confused: Is PHP working on my Apache server or isn't it? |
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| 20:39.20 | _stefanos_ | good evening everyone. any news about videolan on wheezy? |
| 20:39.40 | todu | When I look at the error log it says this: "[Sat Feb 26 14:53:32 2011] [error] [client 80.216.89.210] PHP Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_NAMESPACE, expecting T_STRING in /usr/share/mediawiki1.7/includes/Namespace.php on line 46". |
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| 20:43.42 | todu | Could it be that the new version og PHP that comes with the Squeeze upgrade, is incompatible with the old Mediawiki 1.7.1 installation? |
| 20:43.50 | todu | og -> of |
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| 20:45.02 | jhutchins_lt | todu: Is the mediawiki installation from debian? |
| 20:45.40 | todu | jhutchins_lt, Yes, from Debian Etch. |
| 20:45.44 | jhutchins_lt | todu: There are a lot of PHP packages that do not handle the transition from PHP 5.1 to 5.2 gracefully. |
| 20:45.53 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions mediawiki |
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| 20:45.55 | judd | Package mediawiki on i386 -- lenny-security: 1:1.12.0-2lenny5; lenny: 1:1.12.0-2lenny7; lenny-backports: 1:1.15.5-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:1.15.5-2; squeeze-security: 1:1.15.5-2; sid: 1:1.15.5-3; wheezy: 1:1.15.5-3 |
| 20:46.09 | jhutchins_lt | todu: Howcome it didn't get upgraded? |
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| 20:48.15 | todu | I think (It was a long time ago, year 2007) that when I selected which Mediawiki to install, I selected the 1.7.1 version and not the dummy package. I also made several instances of the 1.7.1 Mediawiki version manually. That could also be a reason it wouldn't upgrade to a newer version automatically. |
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| 20:49.10 | ROosy | hello |
| 20:49.46 | ROosy | how i can have gzip -best with tar cmd ? |
| 20:50.02 | _stefanos_ | todu, have you searched Google about it? |
| 20:50.32 | todu | jhutchins_lt, Is there a way to run the older PHP interpreter at the same time as running the newer one? And force the MEdiawiki 1.7.1 server to use the old PHP interpreter? |
| 20:50.35 | ROosy | tar cfz -best no work ; -c 9 no.... google say -best but.... |
| 20:50.51 | jhutchins_lt | todu: I would check for php 5.2 support in whatever you have installed, and look for config file problems in the sites-available/sites-enabled tree, |
| 20:51.09 | jhutchins_lt | Also make sure modphp is installed and enabled in modules-enabled. |
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| 20:51.40 | jhutchins_lt | ROosy: Did you check the tar manpage? Most of the options are listed there. |
| 20:52.04 | todu | jhutchins_lt, Thanks, I'll try your tips. |
| 20:52.07 | ROosy | jhutchins_lt: not for best compression in the man page.... |
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| 20:53.18 | jhutchins_lt | ROosy: You can always pipe it to gzip. |
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| 20:53.56 | ROosy | jhutchins_lt: yes, we can... strange tar in débian |
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| 20:54.23 | jhutchins_lt | ROosy: standard gnu tar in debian. |
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| 20:56.25 | karlpinc | ROosy: The tar info pages have much detail and are in Debian's non-free suite. |
| 20:56.41 | xindz | When im trying to change the motd of the ssh promt it resets after a reboot. How can i do it permanent? |
| 20:57.22 | ROosy | karlpinc: ok i read the info page thk |
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| 21:00.59 | frikinz | What is really mounting a partition on an external drive? Hal or udev? |
| 21:02.56 | todu | jhutchins_lt, Thanks again for giving me ideas about how to proceed with my problem. I was stuck, but thanks to you I'm not. Have a nice weekend! |
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| 21:05.35 | woonix | xindz: I believe that you need to edit /etc/issue.net |
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| 21:08.07 | loxx | strange: in squeeze, *gnome-power-manager* reduces lcd brightness (on battery power) after short idle time (30sec or so), which makes text reading very uncomfortable. only uninstalling *gnome-screensaver* solves this issue, but the screen locker is gone. is there a bette way? |
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| 21:10.06 | Uhu | Hey, I am using Debian 6.0 and I got this message in syslog: http://pastebin.com/0ADQdd1q Do I have to worry? =( |
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| 21:14.39 | casts | Uhu: i would |
| 21:15.43 | Uhu | casts: As I do not really understand what the error means - I assume my HDD's are failing? |
| 21:15.45 | dondelelcaro | Uhu: yeah, that drive may be failing. Back it up, and check it out with smartctl |
| 21:16.50 | frikinz | depends on the cmd. mine shows this since years. sis sata controller. needs a power off/on. but yes backup.. |
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| 21:20.16 | StuckMojo | how do you comment out lines in apt_preferences? |
| 21:20.23 | StuckMojo | or is that not supported? |
| 21:20.41 | StuckMojo | # doesn't work |
| 21:22.03 | Uhu | casts: dondelelcaro: thanks, i will look if i have some other drives somewhere. |
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| 21:22.35 | jrullo | I installed squeeze on an ide ssd drive and now my mouse and keyboard is jerky and slow. I have noatime set on the main partition and the boot. Boot is ext2 and root is ext3. is there a setting I'm missing? |
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| 21:23.32 | blarsl | Which files do I need to copy to get all Evolution settings from one computer to another? I tried to rsync the whole .evolution directory, but when I start Evolution on the new system it still wants me to configure mail accounts as if there were no settings available. |
| 21:23.56 | StuckMojo | also, will the squeeze udev work with a lenny kernel? I see that the reverse is not true, so wondering this... |
| 21:24.19 | jrullo | ext3 partition is using LVM with separate home, and var. |
| 21:24.57 | StuckMojo | jrullo: somehow i doubt that's got anything to do with it |
| 21:25.03 | StuckMojo | jrullo: i'd look more to the X config |
| 21:25.16 | StuckMojo | or usb |
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| 21:27.58 | jrullo | ok. I looked in X.0.log and did not see errors. messages shows nothing out of the ordinary. what sort of usb stuff should I check? |
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| 21:28.22 | StuckMojo | i've never had to mess with it, but i'd suggest: dmesg | grep -i usb |
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| 21:28.59 | StuckMojo | have you done any googling of your particular mouse / keyboard and squeeze? or of your usb chipset + squeeze? |
| 21:29.28 | StuckMojo | lspci should help you figure out which chipset you have |
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| 21:31.28 | tdiso | hi guys. does conky consume much cpu and/or battery life? im interested in having it run on my laptop which i like to be as mobile as possible |
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| 21:31.51 | casts | it can |
| 21:32.09 | casts | if thats your goal then don't run conky |
| 21:32.11 | tdiso | hmm |
| 21:32.16 | tdiso | just use top? |
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| 21:32.28 | tdiso | i see casts |
| 21:32.45 | casts | better than conky, but is still going to waste power |
| 21:33.14 | tdiso | damn you lithium-ion |
| 21:33.28 | jrullo | googled mouse, squeeze, debian, slow, jerky,etc. saw a few things on acpi but they were earlier kernels that were solved by updating to am more recent kernel. I'm at 2.6.32-5 amd64. the notes were solved in -2. I haven't found anything pertinent,so I'm here. |
| 21:33.35 | casts | powertop, is good |
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| 21:34.34 | tdiso | ill check it out casts |
| 21:34.44 | StuckMojo | i've always used gkrellm |
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| 21:35.04 | StuckMojo | doesn't seem to use much cpu that i can see |
| 21:35.04 | tdiso | i like the eye candy of conky/ gkrellm |
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| 21:36.07 | StuckMojo | is the idea of conky that it draws on your deskop? |
| 21:36.13 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Is there any tool in Debian to get SCI HDD's firmware version? |
| 21:36.19 | tdiso | what StuckMojo ? |
| 21:36.21 | hid3 | Hdparm doesn't seem to have such a feature... |
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| 21:36.29 | StuckMojo | tdiso: i.e. not in a window |
| 21:36.36 | StuckMojo | tdiso: but on the root window |
| 21:36.45 | tdiso | meant to be in the background |
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| 21:37.23 | StuckMojo | bah, i'll just instatll it and see ;) |
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| 21:39.23 | ROosy | i can run gzip or tar cmd, on all core ? ( for fast ) |
| 21:40.09 | casts | how many cores do you have? |
| 21:40.12 | jrullo | Thanks for the tips, I'll do some more googling with chipset this time. |
| 21:40.19 | ROosy | casts: 4 |
| 21:40.32 | jrullo | 4 |
| 21:40.42 | casts | real or hyperthreaded? |
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| 21:41.07 | casts | at any rate......tar cmd|gzip will use 2-3 cores |
| 21:41.09 | ROosy | amd phenom 2, is real no ? |
| 21:41.58 | casts | you can use pbzip2 to get multithreaded compression |
| 21:42.00 | woonix | ROosy: http://www.zlib.net/pigz/ Parallel impementation of gzip. There's a debian package for it. |
| 21:42.31 | ROosy | woonix thk i read this |
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| 21:43.19 | tdiso | how can i see the list of packages an added repository has available? |
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| 21:43.54 | StuckMojo | apt-cache search? |
| 21:43.55 | ROosy | casts: thk |
| 21:43.59 | EclipseGc | do I need to restart any services in order to pick up new entries in my sources.list? |
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| 21:44.58 | EmleyMoor | EclipseGc: Shouldn't do |
| 21:45.07 | woonix | you need to "apt-get update" |
| 21:45.15 | casts | 'pigz is an almost compatible replacement for the gzip program" hmm @ almost |
| 21:45.19 | EclipseGc | woonix: that at me? |
| 21:45.30 | woonix | EclipseGc: YES |
| 21:45.32 | EmleyMoor | EclipseGc: Yes, it was |
| 21:45.33 | EclipseGc | k |
| 21:45.34 | woonix | sorry, caps |
| 21:45.38 | EclipseGc | heh |
| 21:45.57 | EclipseGc | yay cell modem! |
| 21:46.04 | EclipseGc | wonders what he's up to |
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| 21:48.07 | ROosy | i use software but only work in dual core, have a way to run this on 2 & 3 core ? |
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| 21:48.56 | ROosy | i can chose the core used for a command or soft ? |
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| 21:49.55 | humbolto | is online fsck.ext3 save nowadays? |
| 21:50.15 | StuckMojo | it's always safe to check w/o making mods |
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| 21:50.42 | StuckMojo | i.e. read-only |
| 21:51.42 | humbolto | StuckMojo: well, finally I will have to fix what needs to be fixed, otherwise I suppose, I will not be able to resize the volume |
| 21:52.04 | StuckMojo | that's if anything needs fixing |
| 21:52.09 | humbolto | StuckMojo: how do I run fsck without making changes? just checking? |
| 21:52.14 | StuckMojo | i take it you think it's currently corrupted? |
| 21:52.20 | StuckMojo | yes, just checking |
| 21:53.15 | humbolto | StuckMojo: no, I don't necessarily think that. But I suppose, fsck does only write in the logs, that it has not found any problems, when it was run in "write" mode |
| 21:53.53 | StuckMojo | according to the man page, -n is no changes |
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| 21:54.26 | StuckMojo | "Note that in general it is not safe to run e2fsck on mounted filesysâ tems. The only exception is if the -n option is specified, and -c, -l, or -L options are not specified. |
| 21:54.31 | StuckMojo | " |
| 21:54.37 | StuckMojo | that's from man fsck.ext3 |
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| 21:55.18 | StuckMojo | If e2fsck asks whether or not you should check a filesystem which is mounted, the only correct answer is ``no''. |
| 21:55.25 | b52 | any idea where i can get librack-ruby1.8 in version 1.0.1 |
| 21:55.27 | StuckMojo | Only experts who really know what they are doing should consider answering this question in any other way. |
| 21:55.38 | StuckMojo | i like that. it certainly answers your question humbolto |
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| 21:58.34 | ROosy | ok pbzip2 use all core at 100% |
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| 22:00.12 | StuckMojo | anyone know if you can make grub change the default kernel for one boot? you could do that with lilo, so if your box hung on boot you could remote powercycle it and have to go back to the known good kernel... |
| 22:01.06 | dvs | StuckMojo: I know how to do it for every reboot, but now for just one. |
| 22:01.19 | dvs | *not |
| 22:01.21 | StuckMojo | yeah me too |
| 22:01.25 | StuckMojo | thus the question :) |
| 22:01.47 | StuckMojo | that was a very handy feature of lilo |
| 22:02.00 | StuckMojo | i'm asking because i'm about to boot my new squeeze kernel |
| 22:02.04 | dvs | StuckMojo: Unless you can get a GRUB startup screen, I don't know hwo. |
| 22:02.10 | dvs | how |
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| 22:02.13 | dvs | says dammit |
| 22:02.17 | StuckMojo | it *should* be ok since i was already running 2.6.32.bpo5 from backports |
| 22:02.33 | StuckMojo | which is the same kernel i think |
| 22:02.43 | dvs | StuckMojo: I think the bpo kernel will be the default, not the squeeze kernel. |
| 22:02.51 | StuckMojo | it is |
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| 22:02.58 | StuckMojo | but i dunno if it will work with the new udev :( |
| 22:03.05 | dvs | ah |
| 22:03.09 | dvs | O I C |
| 22:03.26 | StuckMojo | so either one could equal problems |
| 22:03.43 | StuckMojo | meh. screw it. this is my DR backup box anyway |
| 22:03.53 | StuckMojo | and the datacenter is only about 5 miles from my apt |
| 22:03.55 | dvs | o_O |
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| 22:05.14 | StuckMojo | welp...here we go... |
| 22:05.26 | dvs | crosses fingers |
| 22:05.32 | StuckMojo | ;) |
| 22:05.56 | StuckMojo | now i really wish i had gotten around go getting over there and installing the DRAC card i have for it |
| 22:06.04 | StuckMojo | i do have one on the main box |
| 22:06.12 | StuckMojo | but i'd rather upgrade this one first |
| 22:06.43 | EclipseGc | has some new package replaced solr-common and solr-jetty? |
| 22:07.33 | StuckMojo | 64 bytes from 208.81.240.122: icmp_seq=115 ttl=64 time=1.28 ms |
| 22:07.34 | StuckMojo | woot! |
| 22:07.44 | dvs | !beer StuckMojo |
| 22:07.45 | dpkg | pours a litre of Stone Arrogant Bastard for StuckMojo |
| 22:07.55 | StuckMojo | :) |
| 22:08.05 | dvs | Now what does "uname -r" say? |
| 22:08.31 | StuckMojo | Linux insectosaurus 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 03:40:32 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:08.40 | dvs | no bpo |
| 22:08.42 | StuckMojo | steps away for a celebratory smoke with his beer |
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| 22:18.24 | Tramp | StuckMojo: reading through this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=574617 , one apparently needs "GRUB_DEFAULT=saved" and "GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT=true" - at least that's my guess. |
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| 22:20.49 | Tramp | (combined with grub-reboot <index of kernel to test>) |
| 22:21.00 | StuckMojo | oh cool |
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| 22:21.19 | Tramp | StuckMojo: note that this is an educated guess from my side ... |
| 22:21.38 | StuckMojo | yeah it came up ok anyway, so... |
| 22:21.47 | StuckMojo | but good to have in the pocket for future use |
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| 22:22.04 | StuckMojo | apparently all you need is grub-reboot |
| 22:22.20 | StuckMojo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.24 | Tramp | so the process would be (1) set those variables and update-grub (2) reboot normally to initialize the default as the "known good one" (3) grub-reboot the one to try |
| 22:22.47 | StuckMojo | well it already defaults to the first in the list |
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| 22:22.58 | StuckMojo | and i suspect from the wording that grub-reboot does't change your default |
| 22:23.04 | StuckMojo | so i suspect that's all you need |
| 22:23.12 | StuckMojo | i didn't know that existed, so thanks ;) |
| 22:23.24 | Tramp | StuckMojo: ah, yes. That could be enough indeed .... |
| 22:23.49 | StuckMojo | it would have surprised me if grub didn't have something like that |
| 22:23.59 | StuckMojo | considering it's in all other ways better than lilo |
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| 22:25.17 | StuckMojo | hell, that'll be handy on my desktop for booting windows for gaming |
| 22:25.23 | StuckMojo | grub-reboot 4 |
| 22:25.40 | StuckMojo | and walk away, instead of having to wait to catch the grub menu |
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| 22:26.24 | RichiH | that does sound useful |
| 22:26.57 | StuckMojo | especially for those damn setups where the grub menu is hidden |
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| 22:27.04 | Tramp | yw - nice to know you now have a way which encourages you to boot Windows more often/easily. Makes me feel useful ... |
| 22:27.04 | dvs | by jove! it does exist! |
| 22:27.05 | StuckMojo | i always forget the key to force it to display |
| 22:27.13 | StuckMojo | Tramp: LOL |
| 22:27.35 | StuckMojo | gah! i've got apt-listbugs installed... |
| 22:27.50 | StuckMojo | and it spits out about 20-30 bugs during my dist-upgrade |
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| 22:28.04 | StuckMojo | i think i was happier when i was blissfully ignorant ;) |
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| 22:33.27 | p3rror | hello |
| 22:33.38 | p3rror | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.41 | p3rror | it wont start |
| 22:33.48 | p3rror | and print and error relative to X |
| 22:34.33 | p3rror | http://pastebin.com/qq57R8Z2 |
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| 22:47.22 | gnude | hello, german debian user can visit: #debian-ruhr i create it for debian smalltalk with people living around me... |
| 22:48.10 | nkuttler | !tell gnude about de |
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| 22:56.40 | StuckMojo | hmmm...there's no volatile for squeeze? |
| 22:56.52 | StuckMojo | nm, dpkg has info |
| 22:57.05 | ROosy | ok thk, bye bye |
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| 23:04.01 | dvs | !tell StuckMojo -about squeeze updates |
| 23:04.50 | jhutchins_lt | dvs: I think he figured it out. |
| 23:05.07 | dvs | oh, oops |
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| 23:08.30 | StuckMojo | dvs: yeah thanks |
| 23:08.34 | StuckMojo | should have ask dpkg first |
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| 23:10.50 | Odaym | i am here, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 23:10.54 | Odaym | which do i download? |
| 23:11.19 | Messias | Hi |
| 23:11.24 | dvs | Odaym: What CPU do you have? |
| 23:11.49 | Odaym | it's another machine so...i think 2.x |
| 23:11.52 | Messias | Good night! |
| 23:11.55 | Odaym | 32-bit |
| 23:12.10 | dvs | Odaym: 386 |
| 23:12.18 | Odaym | yes i know |
| 23:12.23 | Odaym | but there are 45 iso's |
| 23:12.25 | Odaym | why? |
| 23:12.34 | dvs | Odaym: if you don't have internet |
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| 23:13.49 | Bushmills | Odaym: to contrast with single-floppy distributions |
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| 23:14.43 | Odaym | i have downloaded the torrent with the name CD-1 |
| 23:14.49 | dvs | good |
| 23:14.52 | Odaym | if i burn it on a CD, will it work? |
| 23:15.12 | nocan | hello! i have a laptop and an external monitor and i would like to connect the monitor to the laptop and let it run in multihead mode so that i can run two different X servers with their own window managers - is there a good resource/tutorial for that task that you could recommend? one video card, btw.... |
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| 23:15.52 | dondelelcaro | Odaym: yes |
| 23:15.58 | Bushmills | nocan: xrandr might be all you need |
| 23:16.08 | dondelelcaro | nocan: usually you'd just use a single X server with xrandr |
| 23:16.37 | nocan | yeah, i'm a bit familiar with Xrandr, but how do i do it right? |
| 23:16.53 | humbolto | Would you say "y" to all these fsck questions? http://pastie.org/1611264 |
| 23:17.01 | dondelelcaro | nocan: xrandr --output FOO --left-of Y; or similar. |
| 23:17.05 | dondelelcaro | humbolto: fsck -y; man fsck |
| 23:17.25 | humbolto | Or rather, would you do an online fsck when the situation presents itself like this? |
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| 23:17.30 | dondelelcaro | humbolto: and there's also an option to do that by default on boot; see FSCKFIX=yes |
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| 23:17.42 | dondelelcaro | (in /etc/default/rcS) |
| 23:17.43 | project2501a | platform lsf is a mess and you can tell: they got two sets of commands that do the same thing, and they do not soft link one to the other and switch in main(), and while their conf is in plain ol' english, their damn depended services is in XML? |
| 23:17.46 | humbolto | dondelelcaro: that was not the question |
| 23:17.49 | project2501a | really, platform lsf? |
| 23:18.21 | Bushmills | set second output to resolution and position it relative to other output |
| 23:18.27 | nocan | dondelelcaro: what should i use instead of FOO and Y? |
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| 23:18.51 | dondelelcaro | humbolto: oh, sorry; yes, generally you'd just answer yes to those questions unless you know something special about those blocks |
| 23:19.12 | dondelelcaro | nocan: depends on the output of xrandr; the actual devices differ |
| 23:19.30 | dondelelcaro | project2501a: I'm not sure what lsf has to do with #debian at all. |
| 23:19.33 | nocan | dondelelcaro: and how should i check this? lspci? |
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| 23:19.39 | project2501a | i just wanted to bitch |
| 23:19.40 | project2501a | my bad |
| 23:20.15 | nocan | dondelelcaro: stupid question, sorry |
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| 23:22.59 | nocan | dondelelcaro: but still i have no clue of anything - and i don't feel familiar with Xrandr anymore, so maybe a more detailed description of how to handle that for me? |
| 23:23.29 | Bushmills | nocan: something like this could do: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1298762518583976840d.png |
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| 23:30.28 | humbolto | dondelelcaro: is online fscking ext3 save nowadays? |
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| 23:32.16 | dondelelcaro | humbolto: I've never done it, so I don't have an opinion about it |
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| 23:33.24 | nocan | Bushmills: yeah, that somehow seems to work for one window manager, but i would like to be able to run one window manager on each screen - or more precisely: one X server on each screen and a one window manger per screen |
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| 23:39.32 | xindz | When im trying to change the motd of the ssh promt it resets after a reboot. How can i do it permanent? im editing in /etc/motd |
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| 23:41.58 | themill | xindz: /etc/motd.tail is appended to motd by /etc/init.d/bootlogs |
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| 23:45.47 | xindz | themill strange i cant find /etc/init.d/bootlogs |
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| 23:46.10 | themill | xindz: what version of debian is this? |
| 23:46.20 | xindz | 6.0 Squezze |
| 23:46.28 | xindz | Squeeze* |
| 23:46.35 | nocan | Bushmills: ok, maybe ONE X server is enough, but i would like to have TWO different window manager - is this possible with one X server running? DISPLAY=:1 xinit ...? |
| 23:46.51 | xindz | No sorry i mean Lenny v 5.0 |
| 23:46.53 | un214 | you can set immutable on /etc/motd |
| 23:47.03 | themill | un214: have you tried that? |
| 23:47.14 | un214 | that's the trick I use when some dpkg owned file overwrites something that must not change |
| 23:47.24 | un214 | themill: I've done it to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:48.07 | themill | un214: (a) that's an insane and ugly approach and (b) it won't work. |
| 23:48.27 | un214 | work it did |
| 23:48.30 | themill | xindz: it's in bootmisc.sh in lenny |
| 23:48.40 | un214 | but ugly it is |
| 23:48.46 | nocan | Bushmills: so no help for me anymore? |
| 23:48.52 | themill | un214: please try it for /etc/motd. |
| 23:49.15 | un214 | it won't work unless you rm the symlink first |
| 23:49.22 | un214 | same was true with resolv.conf |
| 23:49.23 | themill | at last! |
| 23:49.49 | xindz | themill okay, in bootmisc.sh what should i change there ? |
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| 23:50.40 | themill | xindz: if you just want to add extra to motd, then you can add it to /etc/motd.tail as I said. If you want to have a fixed motd, then comment out the lines that alter it. |
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| 23:51.32 | xindz | Ok, thanks man |
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| 23:57.07 | Bhavic | Hi all, is it possible to to chmod o-r /etc/passwd ? Or will it break stuff. |
| 23:57.39 | un214 | it break stuff |
| 23:57.43 | Bhavic | ok thanks :) |
| 23:59.48 | jhutchins_lt | Bhavic: Why? |
