| 00:00.04 | un214 | lots of stuff tries to map UID to name |
| 00:00.11 | un214 | starting with ls |
| 00:00.31 | Bhavic | Just was wanting to see if it's possible, so users cannot view the file to get other users' on the server. |
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| 00:00.53 | un214 | that is possible but a royal pain in the behind |
| 00:01.02 | un214 | involving virtualizing /etc per user |
| 00:01.12 | Bhavic | I'll just leave it as is i think lol |
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| 00:01.39 | un214 | standard security rule: the attackrs know your usernames |
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| 00:02.21 | jhutchins_lt | Bhavic: They can usually ls /home |
| 00:02.31 | Bhavic | Not if i've secured it already :) |
| 00:02.56 | Bhavic | /etc/passwd is the only place left i think. But doesn't matter, was just a little thing. |
| 00:03.03 | un214 | ps |
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| 00:03.16 | un214 | ls /dev/pts/* |
| 00:03.31 | un214 | who |
| 00:03.52 | Bhavic | mm yea i guess there is alot of other ways lol. |
| 00:04.36 | jhutchins_lt | Why are you letting people you don't trust on the system in the first place. |
| 00:04.38 | jhutchins_lt | ? |
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| 00:06.02 | aguitel | squeeze are in live cd version , can i use unetbootin to make usb booteable ? |
| 00:06.02 | Bhavic | jhutchins, it's a paid service. |
| 00:06.38 | un214 | Bhavic: you know you can give them names such as u001, u002, etc. |
| 00:06.55 | un214 | also, the virtualized /etc is common in paid services |
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| 00:07.19 | Bhavic | I'll most likely just not give SSH access, should be ok. And yea, im thinking about naming like that. |
| 00:07.20 | jhutchins_lt | Bhavic: Are you going to run selinux? |
| 00:07.51 | un214 | what is the service for? |
| 00:07.56 | Bhavic | Not sure. The server won't have any valuable information on it, and most of the users will be linux newbs. |
| 00:08.37 | Bhavic | un214: running a web-app. |
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| 00:08.49 | Bas_The_Real_One | hey all |
| 00:08.50 | Bhavic | Anyway, i'm off. Thanks |
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| 00:09.06 | un214 | Bhavic: i'd let them use ssh if I were you |
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| 00:09.22 | un214 | if nothing else for sftp |
| 00:09.25 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 00:09.31 | Bhavic | FTPES is always an option :) |
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| 00:09.48 | un214 | I do not want my password plaintext |
| 00:09.54 | simonrvn | ftp is never an option |
| 00:09.58 | Bhavic | lol |
| 00:10.10 | Bhavic | or, can always allow sftp, and just disable shell. So yea i guess thats an option. |
| 00:10.17 | johnfg | Am running lenny. Just got an email from openoffice talking about their latest version. I downloaded the debs for this 3.3.0-20. |
| 00:10.27 | un214 | that is option |
| 00:10.27 | simonrvn | sftp != ftps |
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| 00:10.35 | johnfg | Should I be able to install these without conflict? |
| 00:10.36 | simonrvn | just fyi |
| 00:10.42 | un214 | ftps = hard to find windows client |
| 00:11.00 | Bhavic | ftpes? Not really. Most clients support it? FileZila, CuteFTP etc |
| 00:11.03 | simonrvn | sftp = putty (for win) |
| 00:11.06 | themill | un214: there are heaps of ftps clients out there |
| 00:11.24 | simonrvn | wtf is ftpes? |
| 00:11.30 | un214 | ftp + SSL |
| 00:12.00 | Bhavic | FTP over explict ssl |
| 00:12.02 | Bhavic | or something |
| 00:12.03 | simonrvn | uh, ftps there's no e there |
| 00:12.09 | Bhavic | its ftpes |
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| 00:12.22 | Bhavic | FTPES - FTP through Explicit TLS/SSL |
| 00:12.22 | jhutchins_lt | johnfg: Probably. There's no telling how closely they followed the debian standards, it might do a parallel install. |
| 00:12.25 | simonrvn | link or it's bs |
| 00:12.32 | themill | simonrvn: giyf |
| 00:12.38 | jhutchins_lt | johnfg: Might not put things in the same places as debian. |
| 00:12.56 | Bhavic | simonrvn: If you install FileZila etc, in the proctol list, it says "FTPES" |
| 00:12.58 | sascha_ | the debs from openoffice.org installs to /opt |
| 00:13.31 | Bhavic | Explicit |
| 00:13.31 | Bhavic | In explicit mode (also known as FTPES) |
| 00:13.35 | Bhavic | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTPS |
| 00:13.40 | simonrvn | ok |
| 00:13.55 | simonrvn | my apologies |
| 00:13.58 | Bhavic | :) |
| 00:14.46 | simonrvn | i honestly thought you were making it up (see that a lot here... :/) |
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| 00:18.25 | wvmac | exit |
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| 00:22.59 | jhutchins_lt | johnfg: The nice thing is that it is a deb, if it screws up you can uninstall it. |
| 00:23.37 | un214 | you haven't seen what I can make a .deb do |
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| 00:36.08 | nocan | isn't it somehow possible to just tell the system to use an actual monitor instead of a virtual terminal when i do "DISPLAY=:1 xinit /usr/bin/windowmanager -- :1 &"? |
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| 00:40.57 | Odaym | is it very common for Debian to be on servers? |
| 00:41.06 | Odaym | very reliable, stable, secure etc...? |
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| 00:41.14 | un214 | yes |
| 00:41.23 | nkuttler | Odaym: works for me |
| 00:41.23 | ma3x | hi repeat key function is off. how can i restore it? |
| 00:42.17 | Odaym | i really have a lot of appreciation for Debian because of its age firstly, and because i've experienced it through Ubuntu for a very long time..but Red Hat marketing kind of wraps your mind around to worship them when it comes to servers.. |
| 00:42.49 | themill | ma3x: xset r |
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| 00:48.35 | nocan | anyone familiar with $DISPLAY? can i tell it to use two different monitors? |
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| 00:50.03 | ma3x | thanks themill |
| 00:50.45 | ruediger_ | Hello! I have a problem with a Linux c2d2130 2.6.32-5-amd64 Kernel ; it does detect only 3.3 out of 6GB of RAM |
| 00:50.53 | johnfg | jhutchins, Would it be best to install the debs with dpkg -i, keep it simple? |
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| 00:51.40 | themill | ruediger_: what's the output of "uname -r"? |
| 00:52.28 | ruediger_ | However as the entire system is installed as a squeeze 64 bit sytem I can't rever back to a bigmem kernel, which did recognize the 6GB of RAM under Lenny |
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| 00:53.08 | ruediger_ | Linux c2d2130 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Jan 17 18:24:45 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 00:55.26 | arnie-b | anyone know anything about older AMD processors? |
| 00:56.14 | arnie-b | wondering if it would be worth it to change an XP1600+ with a mobile 2400+ in a file/web server |
| 00:56.49 | pipeline | lotta work, little gain |
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| 00:57.09 | pipeline | buy a pentium II with 64 bit PCI instead, double your data throughput ;) |
| 00:57.09 | arnie-b | that's what i'm thinking |
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| 00:57.26 | ruediger_ | actually not so little; The mobile 2400 uses less power than the 1600 |
| 00:57.43 | arnie-b | yes, the power scaling is one of the reasons I was considering it |
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| 01:00.20 | ruediger_ | themill : # uname -r |
| 01:00.20 | ruediger_ | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 01:04.21 | ruediger_ | Any suggestion on how to make a amd64 kernel to recognize more tha n3.3GB RAM ? |
| 01:04.34 | slestak_e1505 | should by default shouldnt it? |
| 01:05.07 | lost_soul | I thought amd64 supported 8GB |
| 01:05.17 | slestak_e1505 | i have screwed sth up installing nvidia-glx and module assistant |
| 01:05.46 | slestak_e1505 | cannot start gdm. this is like my 5th machine putting mint debian onto, and the first that has given issue |
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| 01:06.20 | slestak_e1505 | was following debian wiki article on different methods of getting nvidia drivers |
| 01:07.02 | slestak_e1505 | i have started in single user mode, but not sure how to get xorg back |
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| 01:07.55 | ruediger_ | slestak: First of all, make sure that there is no Nuoveau driver loaded. |
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| 01:08.24 | slestak_e1505 | i think there is, I saw nouveau messages in Xorg.1.log |
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| 01:09.41 | ruediger_ | Okay, I don't know how to officially remove it, but in the worst case do it like me: apt-get remove --purge*nouveau* |
| 01:09.59 | ruediger_ | then m-a a-i nvidia |
| 01:10.12 | ruediger_ | and then sh NVIDIA with the most vcurrent driver |
| 01:10.33 | slestak_e1505 | well, i tried to purge it in aptitude, but it said xserver-xorg-video-all will be broken |
| 01:10.55 | slestak_e1505 | i backed out without running anything |
| 01:11.10 | ruediger_ | lost_soul, amd64 kernels _should_ support more than 4GB Ram, however , the default debian Squeeze 2.6.32-5-amd64 obviously doesnt' on ymy foxconn mainboard. |
| 01:11.23 | ruediger_ | whilst bios and windooze Vista do recognize more tha n4GB |
| 01:11.42 | slestak_e1505 | with PAE? |
| 01:11.56 | slestak_e1505 | vista64? or 32 + pae |
| 01:12.12 | ruediger_ | PAE is for 32bit kernels; the Vista installed is a 64 Bit Vista Business |
| 01:12.34 | ruediger_ | so the linux 64bit kernel should have no ehadaches with it, either :( |
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| 01:12.49 | slestak_e1505 | right |
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| 01:13.03 | dvs | ruediger_: so what is saying that only 3.3GB are available? |
| 01:13.19 | ruediger_ | slestak_e1505, as for the removal of xserver-xorg-all ; that's not bad; it's jsut a metapackage whic hinstalls this weird nouveau driver along |
| 01:13.34 | slestak_e1505 | kk |
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| 01:13.39 | ruediger_ | free |
| 01:13.39 | ruediger_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.39 | ruediger_ | Mem: 3352260 1846792 1505468 0 40996 580256 |
| 01:13.39 | ruediger_ | -/+ buffers/cache: 1225540 2126720 |
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| 01:14.15 | ruediger_ | okay, Free and top report onyl 3.3GB RAM back |
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| 01:14.49 | ruediger_ | dvs, so basically about 3GB of ram are not seen by the kernel |
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| 01:15.00 | slestak_e1505 | apt-get doesnt like my *nouveau* |
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| 01:15.47 | slestak_e1505 | Regex compilation error - Invalid preceding regular expression |
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| 01:15.57 | ruediger_ | slestak_e1505, apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg-video-nouveau libdrm-nouveau1a libdrm-nouveau1 |
| 01:16.06 | slestak_e1505 | ty sir |
| 01:16.14 | ruediger_ | Avec Plaisier *bows* |
| 01:16.53 | slestak_e1505 | doh, im such a noob. copy and pasting like that will help. I am using my laptop to get help w this... :) |
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| 01:17.05 | slestak_e1505 | prob is another boxen |
| 01:17.30 | ruediger_ | well, yo ucan ssh fro myour laptop to the machien in question |
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| 01:17.42 | ruediger_ | and then do it remotely |
| 01:17.50 | slestak_e1505 | ruediger_: do you have any live media you can boot to see if it sees more than 4g ram? |
| 01:18.01 | nutron | I run grub-install on a device, it complains its not in my device map, great, so how do I get it to refresh the device map? |
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| 01:18.11 | slestak_e1505 | right now i have it in single user mode |
| 01:18.28 | ruediger_ | slestak_e1505, in about 10 minutes I will have downloaded ubuntu 10.10 life-cd to test if other kernels have the same problem |
| 01:18.55 | ruediger_ | nutron, conisder deleting /boot/grub/device.map |
| 01:19.11 | ruediger_ | the devicemap will be regenerated upon using grub-install |
| 01:19.31 | ruediger_ | slestak_e1505, dhclient eth0 and /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 01:19.34 | nutron | ruediger_: ahh grub-mkdevicemap is the ticket |
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| 01:19.56 | ruediger_ | Or that, nutron , I am still on a personal warpath with grub2 |
| 01:20.02 | nutron | ruediger_: ah, yeah y'know I've done this many times, I have no idea why grub stuff never sticks. |
| 01:20.17 | nutron | heh ruediger_ I don't know if many people like it at all. |
| 01:20.37 | nutron | Though i _did_ get it to output via the serial interface, which I find uber cool. |
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| 01:21.27 | nutron | hrrm, and does anyone know how I can check which drives in the device.map list actuall have their mbrs painted with grubness? |
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| 01:22.00 | kriss_ | greetings. I am trying to change keyboard layout from console, and i tried using dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration, but even with a rebook, it isnt changed. Any ideas unto why ? |
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| 01:22.25 | kriss_ | and also console-setup |
| 01:23.05 | nutron | kriss_: is it not working for you? |
| 01:23.11 | nutron | It could be a variant you need |
| 01:23.36 | kriss_ | the console setup gui work, i mean |
| 01:23.45 | ruediger_ | it was possible to configure the defautl keymap for the console in grub... XD But I never understood how to actually |
| 01:23.48 | kriss_ | but nothing changes |
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| 01:24.19 | slestak_e1505 | hrm, m-a says i already have an nvidia-kernel deb |
| 01:24.48 | slestak_e1505 | i dont have an xorg.conf. is there anything i can check to see what driver it will attempt to use on next boot? |
| 01:25.19 | ruediger_ | well, with lsmod you see wif the nouveau-stuff is beign loaded. |
| 01:25.31 | ruediger_ | and yo ucan use Xorg -configure to have a new xorg.conf generated |
| 01:25.59 | slestak_e1505 | what is the best way to start w/o x, besides runlevel 1 |
| 01:26.27 | karlpinc | slestak_e1505: Disable xdm/gdm/kdm.... |
| 01:26.40 | slestak_e1505 | with rc-update? |
| 01:26.57 | karlpinc | slestak_e1505: Yes. Or you can just use a console and let X run and page out as unused. |
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| 01:27.06 | slestak_e1505 | i am still getting used to new boot stuff |
| 01:27.26 | karlpinc | slestak_e1505: That's really easiest. |
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| 01:27.50 | karlpinc | slestak_e1505: Ctrl-Alt-Fn for n =1; 6. |
| 01:27.52 | slestak_e1505 | does debian use upstart? |
| 01:28.08 | slestak_e1505 | when gdm was screwed i could not get to a terminal at all |
| 01:28.33 | karlpinc | slestak_e1505: I think it uses upstart but I'm not sure. |
| 01:28.35 | ruediger_ | ctrl-alt-f1 should always work. |
| 01:28.42 | karlpinc | slestak_e1505: Did you try unplugging and re-plugging the keyboard? |
| 01:28.47 | slestak_e1505 | the way I got to runlevel 2 with no x was to mv /etc/init.d/gdm3 to gdm3.orig |
| 01:28.53 | slestak_e1505 | nah |
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| 01:29.00 | slestak_e1505 | new machine for my daughter im setting up |
| 01:29.02 | karlpinc | slestak_e1505: That worked for me. |
| 01:29.40 | slestak_e1505 | kinda cool, both my daughters want linux. the older eschewed win7 when it broke so she asked for DebMint by name |
| 01:30.34 | ruediger_ | Kids slowly coem to grips and realize that whe nthey are using the web exclusively they might be better off with robust and relibale systems for Network use instead of fancypants multimedia DVD-Players XD |
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| 01:31.41 | slestak_e1505 | well, she sees me play wow with wine so she figures she has the basics covered |
| 01:31.47 | ruediger_ | okay, I'll try to see what the ubuntu-Install-CD is seeing RAM-Wise |
| 01:32.14 | slestak_e1505 | I have xorg running, and the nvidia driver is loaded (see it with lsmod) but I have no compositing |
| 01:32.15 | ruediger_ | hmmm.. Wine is jsut blowing up my regular backups of my homefolder XD |
| 01:32.23 | slestak_e1505 | i can tell by docky |
| 01:32.44 | ruediger_ | slestak_e1505, did the nvidia driver modify your xorg fiel accordingly to its need? |
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| 01:33.15 | slestak_e1505 | let me look |
| 01:33.49 | kriss_ | why would it be so diffcult to change the keyboard layout?! |
| 01:33.55 | nocan | question: can i start two X servers on two physical monitors? |
| 01:34.17 | slestak_e1505 | i dont have an xorg.conf |
| 01:34.28 | slestak_e1505 | i did an updatedb and locate |
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| 01:34.54 | ruediger_ | slestak_e1505, type Xorg -configure and yo uget a default one set up in your current folder |
| 01:34.55 | slestak_e1505 | it is an auto-configured x session (which is fine by me if I can get compositing |
| 01:35.11 | ruediger_ | like when as root, and workign in root, yo uget an xorg.conf.new in /root |
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| 01:36.55 | kriss_ | anyone here knows how to really change the keyboard-layout with console in deb 10.10 ? |
| 01:36.57 | nocan | can anybody tell me how to start an X server on a specific monitor instead of another VT? maybe using Xrandr? |
| 01:36.59 | kriss_ | i mean, ubuntu 10.10 |
| 01:37.28 | dvs | !ubuntu |
| 01:37.29 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 01:38.06 | simonrvn | we don't do ubuntu here, #ubuntu does |
| 01:38.16 | kriss_ | ahh, no wonder |
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| 01:39.01 | slestak_e1505 | what is your guys take on Mint Debian? |
| 01:39.07 | dvs | !mint |
| 01:39.07 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also being available, based on <testing>. See also <based on Debian>. |
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| 01:40.17 | simonrvn | It's Not Debian (TM) |
| 01:40.42 | simonrvn | It's Not Butter either |
| 01:40.52 | dvs | Parkay! |
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| 01:41.14 | simonrvn | ok, now i know about how old you are :P |
| 01:41.20 | dvs | heh heh |
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| 01:41.39 | dvs | you know |
| 01:41.55 | kgoetz | hehe |
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| 01:42.49 | simonrvn | yip =) |
| 01:42.53 | slestak_e1505 | ty for your guys help. I will head over to spotchat and use their resources for support. gnite |
| 01:43.02 | simonrvn | g'night |
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| 01:44.36 | hochron | are there additional things I can do to get a better wireless connection? I have tried wpa-supplicant and wicd but it frezzes even more than it does in windows |
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| 01:55.05 | ruediger_ | In a Microsoft helpchannel , you get booted asking for help for thone of their games; because when it's a title first released for the x360 , yo uonly get help in a xbox helpchannel; but beware mentioning you run the PC version, for then it's under general games channel XD |
| 01:55.31 | ruediger_ | whereas there they send yo ustraight back to the xbox channel |
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| 01:57.39 | Snorkasaurus | Just another example of people scrambling to not help. |
| 01:58.02 | Snorkasaurus | !ircscramble |
| 01:59.48 | simonrvn | !confuse Snorkasaurus |
| 01:59.48 | dpkg | Yes, what is our snake today, Snorkasaurus? Trousers of the Republic of Liechtenstein with extra herring. |
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| 02:02.03 | slidesinger | On the other hand, I note that the IRC channels on freenode usually provide excellent help as long as you read and follow the guidelines. I have been using Debian since slink and I have only two questions that went unanswered. |
| 02:02.57 | dvs | slidesinger: 42 |
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| 02:03.41 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 02:04.05 | man_in_shack | how would one go about setting up a debian package repository? |
| 02:04.26 | un214 | two monitors needs an X server that supports it (most do) |
| 02:04.43 | un214 | sorry, long scrollback |
| 02:04.52 | dvs | apt-proxy? |
| 02:04.57 | dvs | lets see |
| 02:05.02 | slidesinger | In #gnucash and #asterisk, you get answers from the developers. The guys in the bind channel spent two days with me as I tried to get my web server to recognize it's own domain name. (not all at once, obviously.) |
| 02:05.48 | dvs | oh. it only does a partial repo |
| 02:06.09 | slidesinger | In short, if you are patient and not looking to be spoon fed, then you can get excellent help on IRC. |
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| 02:07.12 | man_in_shack | yeah, i'm looking for the way to host my own repository |
| 02:07.18 | robblesz | !reprepro |
| 02:07.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, reprepro is a tool for managing a repository. See http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/286 for ideas of how to set it up for you own packages. http://blogs.cae.tntech.edu/mwr/2007/05/28/my-own-private-debian-repository/ Alternatively, ask me about <own repo>. |
| 02:07.32 | man_in_shack | ty robblesz |
| 02:07.54 | man_in_shack | "Unfortunately the package contained within Debian's stable release, sarge, is a little outdated." << hehe, so is the article :) |
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| 02:09.10 | kgoetz | i use apt-ftparchive from apt-utils |
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| 02:09.15 | kgoetz | and or some bash wrapper |
| 02:09.28 | kgoetz | depends what you want to do exactly |
| 02:09.38 | adb | , versions reprepro |
| 02:09.39 | judd | Package reprepro on i386 -- lenny: 3.5.2-6; lenny-backports: 4.2.0-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.2.0-2; lenny-backports-sloppy: 4.4.0-1~bpo50+1; squeeze-backports: 4.4.0-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 4.4.0-1; sid: 4.5.0-1 |
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| 02:12.26 | man_in_shack | kgoetz, i want to stick packages into a repository :P what would the difference be between using a bash wrapper and using reprepro? |
| 02:13.00 | simonrvn | reprepro is smarter |
| 02:13.30 | man_in_shack | simonrvn, in what ways? |
| 02:14.27 | kgoetz | thats the short version, yeah. |
| 02:14.33 | simonrvn | a lot |
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| 02:14.43 | kgoetz | equally if its something that simple use dpkg-scanpackages |
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| 02:16.59 | simonrvn | only script(s) i use with reprepro are wrapper scripts for it |
| 02:17.12 | simonrvn | it takes care of the rest |
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| 02:20.28 | nocan | hey! can i start two X servers on two different physical monitors? if yes, how to do that? |
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| 02:29.10 | wqapol | I am looking forward to install debian. I often hear that debian has somewhat outdated packages. Is it possible to update the *must update packages and still be running everything fine in debian? |
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| 02:29.44 | un214 | yes |
| 02:29.47 | dvs | wqapol: some developers may backport more recent packages to the stable release. |
| 02:29.50 | un214 | apt-get build-dep packagename |
| 02:29.55 | un214 | and compile package |
| 02:30.05 | un214 | assuming a current .deb is not available |
| 02:30.47 | simonrvn | !backports |
| 02:30.47 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>, <volatile>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 02:30.59 | robblesz | Now that Squeeze is out there are more recent packages available in "stable" |
| 02:31.30 | casts | though what are must update packages? |
| 02:31.44 | wqapol | I see. Thanks for that command, so I can gett source and buuild it myself. |
| 02:31.49 | un214 | wine in squeeze is old |
| 02:32.09 | wqapol | specifically i am looking forward to run latest beta of Blender 2.5 |
| 02:32.10 | casts | ew, people shouldn't be running wine :P |
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| 02:32.44 | casts | wqapol: ahh, that'll be easy. for stuff like that ill just compile it and install into /usr/local/stow/blender2.5/ |
| 02:33.51 | adb | ,versions blender |
| 02:33.52 | judd | Package blender on i386 -- lenny: 2.46+dfsg-6; squeeze: 2.49.2~dfsg-2+b2; wheezy: 2.49.2~dfsg-2+b2; squeeze-multimedia: 2.49.2~dfsg-2.1; wheezy-multimedia: 2.49.2~dfsg-2.1; sid: 2.56.1-beta-svn34076-1 |
| 02:33.59 | robblesz | !uupdate |
| 02:34.00 | dpkg | uupdate (in the <devscripts> package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile> |
| 02:34.21 | wqapol | Thanks for clearing that bit, I was always of the notion that with debian you have no way of running latest things. Know I know, I will just give it a try with Lenny. Thanks |
| 02:34.31 | robblesz | good luck |
| 02:34.39 | robblesz | Usuailly it's not too hard |
| 02:34.42 | dvs | lenny? |
| 02:35.10 | wqapol | sorry debian 6 squeeze |
| 02:35.41 | otraoli | can't wait for nvidia-glx to be updated in sid; starting to miss compiz. |
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| 02:37.45 | man_in_shack | anyone know of a way to get wget to display the filename and progress of what's being downloaded without all the other stuff? |
| 02:37.57 | man_in_shack | or even just the progress |
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| 02:39.19 | romel | hi guys. I can't find package in squeeze providing lh_config utility. Could someone tell me it please? |
| 02:39.34 | robblesz | man_in_shack: have you read the man page |
| 02:39.45 | man_in_shack | yeah, i don't see an option for it |
| 02:39.55 | robblesz | What about --no-verbose? |
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| 02:40.39 | man_in_shack | doesn't show the progress |
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| 02:41.47 | adb | romel, live-helper |
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| 02:42.38 | robblesz | Oh well, use grep to filter the output |
| 02:42.48 | adb | lh_config doesn't exist anymore , now is 'lh config' |
| 02:43.46 | romel | adb: thanks |
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| 02:44.54 | adb | np |
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| 02:46.46 | man_in_shack | curl -# is ok |
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| 02:54.39 | ruediger_ | *groans* fine; Ubuntu's 10.10 kernel also doesn't recognize my 6GB.. How can a mainboard be broken so that Linux thinks it's runnign in 32 bit mode with a 64 Bit kernel?! |
| 02:56.49 | casts | so what processor is this ruediger_ |
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| 02:58.12 | ruediger_ | Core2Duo 6400 |
| 02:58.23 | ruediger_ | casts: Intel core 2 duo 6400 ; |
| 02:58.39 | ruediger_ | a 2130MHz / FSB 1066MHz unit |
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| 02:59.10 | casts | ah |
| 02:59.31 | ruediger_ | I'm totally at a loss: A bigmem 32 Bit kernel sees the 6GB. |
| 02:59.41 | casts | tries to remember when he switched to amd64 |
| 02:59.43 | ruediger_ | but the 64 Bit kernels do not. They cap off at 3.3GB |
| 02:59.56 | ruediger_ | thats totally ridiculus |
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| 03:00.06 | casts | so you're used the amd64 netinst cd? :) |
| 03:00.11 | ruediger_ | yes. |
| 03:00.21 | ruediger_ | I waited until Squeeze was stable |
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| 03:01.21 | ruediger_ | before I had used a Lenny 32 Bit system with a bigmemkernel and it worked flawlessly |
| 03:01.31 | adb | ah , 6GB of RAM ... |
| 03:01.31 | casts | hmm, seems around 5-6 years, <3 AMD |
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| 03:02.42 | ruediger_ | can it be that Squeeze's 64Bit kernel accidentally carries along a setting that limits it to less ram? |
| 03:02.48 | Bop | is there any device that i can grab , that plays all sounds in the desktop ? |
| 03:02.57 | Bop | like /dev/dsp or something ? |
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| 03:05.56 | ruediger_ | rOOt .. at TZI ? |
| 03:06.11 | ruediger_ | anyways |
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| 03:06.50 | ruediger_ | I'm off. Good night! I'll install the sourcecode for the 2.6.32 kernel tomorrow and then I'll into the settigns if there is some legacy addressing there |
| 03:07.20 | adb | memtest too |
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| 03:07.48 | ruediger_ | Yes, Memtest86+ does only see 3.3GB , too. |
| 03:07.58 | ruediger_ | any explicit 64Bit version of it around? |
| 03:08.22 | ruediger_ | when Windows and the BIOS woudl'nt see the &GB I'd say my mainboard can't do it |
| 03:08.36 | ruediger_ | but obviously it can. |
| 03:09.47 | adb | memtest86_3.4-2_amd64.deb |
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| 03:11.30 | ruediger_ | the package does not exist in the default repositories. Only memtest86 and memtest86+ |
| 03:12.04 | adb | , versions memtest86 |
| 03:12.06 | judd | Package memtest86 on i386 -- lenny: 3.4-2; sid: 3.5-2.2; squeeze: 3.5-2.2; wheezy: 3.5-2.2 |
| 03:12.15 | ruediger_ | /var/cache/apt/archives/memtest86+_4.10-1.1_amd64.deb |
| 03:12.41 | adb | , versions memtest86+ |
| 03:12.43 | judd | Package memtest86+ on i386 -- lenny: 2.01-1.1; lenny-backports: 4.10-1.1~bpo50+1; sid: 4.10-1.1; squeeze: 4.10-1.1; wheezy: 4.10-1.1 |
| 03:13.32 | ruediger_ | is the older lenny version capable of handlign things properly? |
| 03:14.52 | ruediger_ | okay, I'll give it a try. |
| 03:15.06 | ruediger_ | I'll be back tomorrow wit hweeping and teethrattling XD |
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| 03:57.32 | pingouin | is is usefull when building a kernel for i7 to have the NUMA options ? |
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| 03:58.55 | MariaKeys | Hello Folks. Anyone dealt with 10M files on an EXT4 on a mechanical drive? |
| 04:00.46 | casts | where M = <insert numerous things here> |
| 04:01.22 | MariaKeys | casts: like what? 10 thousand files where there is M? |
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| 04:02.23 | casts | blinks |
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| 04:03.24 | Bop_ | casts, M for millions -.- |
| 04:03.27 | casts | at any rate, thats not the question you mean to ask ;) |
| 04:03.45 | casts | Bop_: among other things... |
| 04:04.01 | Bop_ | in this context , is 10 Million |
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| 04:05.07 | MariaKeys | are you people for real? |
| 04:05.21 | MariaKeys | Where did you see 10M meaning 10 thousand or 10 billion? |
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| 04:05.27 | Bop_ | ? |
| 04:05.47 | Bop_ | MariaKeys, move on, what's the problem with 10M in ext4 ? |
| 04:05.50 | MariaKeys | "10M files". What does this tell you? |
| 04:06.17 | MariaKeys | Bop, have you tried doing anything with 10M files? |
| 04:06.41 | casts | note they still haven't gotten to the question they want to ask |
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| 04:07.33 | casts | you've asked 6 questions so far, too :o |
| 04:07.51 | MariaKeys | casts: What the hell are you talking about? Are you stoned? |
| 04:07.57 | casts | oh, 8! |
| 04:08.41 | johni | hello everybody ... did anybody try to connect three monitors simultaneously (ctr + dvi + hdmi) to an nvidia g210? is it possible to connect three monitors to that video card? |
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| 04:10.28 | Scarra3 | Im trying to decide if I should go with ubuntu or debian |
| 04:11.07 | casts | johni: nvidia channel might have an idea, here we're split between nvidia/ati/intel/etc.. users |
| 04:11.57 | johni | casts, I was hoping somebody is using an nvidia g210 and can give me some tips |
| 04:12.29 | Scarra3 | Does debian happen to support the alps touchpad because when I run ubuntu my touchpad doesn't work so im trying to figure out if debian does |
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| 04:12.49 | casts | Scarra3: you could boot a debian livecd and see |
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| 04:17.34 | Corin | Do you guys thinks Debian GNU/Hurd will be out by the time 7.0 is released? |
| 04:19.13 | pingouin | hear the troll detection alarm loud and clear |
| 04:19.56 | Corin | pingouin: Troll detection alarm? |
| 04:20.01 | Corin | I'm being serious... |
| 04:20.35 | Corin | would like to see a GNU/Hurd OS at some point in his life. |
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| 04:23.57 | casts | Corin: well, it was usable a few years ago under debian |
| 04:24.09 | casts | Corin: i presume it hasn't got worse, |
| 04:24.11 | Corin | I know it's useable... |
| 04:24.15 | Corin | usable* |
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| 04:24.26 | Corin | I was wondering if anyone has any idea about a stable release. |
| 04:24.46 | casts | we don't even know when the next stable release of debian gnu/linux is... |
| 04:25.32 | Corin | I'd assume Wheezy will be released in a couple years. :o |
| 04:26.14 | Corin | I thought the release date was officially ca. 2013. |
| 04:26.19 | Corin | For 7.0, I mean. |
| 04:27.37 | Arafangion | So soon! |
| 04:27.57 | Arafangion | I've barely updated to squeeze as it is! |
| 04:28.10 | Arafangion | updated one system to lenny yesterday) |
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| 04:30.05 | robblesz | going to stick with Lenny for awhile |
| 04:31.18 | Arafangion | If debian gets any faster, we'll have to start clamouring for a "long-term release". |
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| 04:34.43 | casts | i like the long period between stables :( |
| 04:35.28 | Arafangion | It was nice when debian supported the m68k. :) |
| 04:35.51 | Arafangion | Couldn't realise debian until the release supported that architecture... And compiling every package on that arch was a *major* bottleneck! |
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| 04:39.40 | yagoo | anyone knows what this is ? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/multi-arch/ << has dual-boot images ? |
| 04:40.33 | yagoo | !multiarch |
| 04:40.34 | dpkg | hmm... multiarch is http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg00290.html, or http://wiki.debian.org/MultiarchFosdem |
| 04:40.36 | yagoo | ^still holds? |
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| 05:16.43 | Xavierk | quick question. since /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated, I thought I would write myself a reminder to use invoke-rc.d. How can I detect if invoke-rc.d is used or not. |
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| 05:18.34 | KBentley57 | can someone help me set the proper permissions on shared directories? |
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| 05:20.53 | casts | KBentley57: shared via? |
| 05:21.36 | KBentley57 | samba |
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| 05:22.50 | KBentley57 | I have a main dir. that I want ot make a network share. Call it /mnt/data |
| 05:23.04 | KBentley57 | under that dir. I want to have about 5 users' home dirs |
| 05:24.44 | KBentley57 | I want each of them to be able to browse their share, read and write to it, but not the others of course |
| 05:24.57 | KBentley57 | and then there is a common share that I want them all to have read and write access to |
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| 05:29.50 | katsrc | hey i'm trying to install this vlc-share |
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| 05:30.18 | katsrc | on my apache, but i'm having trouble locating the config files for zenframework on debian |
| 05:30.26 | katsrc | does debian leave the default configs blank? |
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| 05:36.12 | woonix | katsrc: Usually when I'm trying to find a config file for a package, I'll do "dpkg -L packagename" and it will list all of the files from that package. |
| 05:36.29 | woonix | and then I look for /etc/* |
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| 05:39.02 | Xavierk | trying to modify /etc/init.d/networking to detect if it has been called through invike-rc.d. I tried to add "echo $0" to networking, but it doesn't see invoke-rc.d. Basically if $0 != invoke-rc.d echo "Usage: invoke-rc.d networking restart; exit 1". Any suggestions, besides forcing invoke-rc.d to set an environment var and checking for that? |
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| 05:43.27 | katsrc | woonix: thanks |
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| 05:44.47 | Xavierk | figured it out... while using invoke-rc.d the var "$_" is set to '/usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d' |
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| 06:09.10 | katsrc | is this doable on debian : http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/43484/how-to-get-airvideo-features-in-android-for-free/? |
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| 06:32.41 | paq | somthing is wrong with my mplayer installation. cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 06:32.51 | xk | ldd /usr/bin/mplayer |
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| 06:33.52 | paq | xk, that gives me a long list os libraries |
| 06:34.02 | xk | ther should be a line that says "not found" |
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| 06:34.28 | paq | yep,libvdpau.so.1 => not found |
| 06:34.35 | xk | there's your problem. |
| 06:35.20 | xk | ls -la /usr/lib/libvdp* |
| 06:35.37 | Raptors | Hey guys, is there a way to see if a RAR is password protected with just 1 part? |
| 06:35.40 | xk | hmmm... part of nvidia package. |
| 06:35.58 | paq | xk, nope, it isn't there |
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| 06:36.56 | paq | xk, apt-get says libvdpau1 is installed |
| 06:37.32 | indecipherable | everyone says nano, but I'm hooked on pico... |
| 06:37.39 | paq | maybe I should install an nvidia kernel |
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| 06:38.58 | casts | isn't nano A: a pico clone and B: better |
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| 06:39.17 | Raptors | Anyone? |
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| 06:39.27 | xk | paq: dpkg --search libvdpau.so |
| 06:39.41 | casts | Raptors: ask winrar's author, its a proprietary format :( |
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| 06:40.02 | xk | Raptors: one part? first part? middle part? |
| 06:40.03 | paq | xk, hmm, I went and install nvidia-libdvpau1 and different nvidia kernel too |
| 06:40.13 | paq | xk, I guess I have to reboot now |
| 06:40.15 | Raptors | part 1 |
| 06:40.21 | xk | it should ask for a password |
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| 06:40.32 | Raptors | I don't have the rest of the files |
| 06:40.34 | xk | then once part1 is finished, say "invalid password" or something. |
| 06:40.36 | xk | it doesn't matter. |
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| 06:40.51 | xk | it wont ask for a password at the end, it will ask at the start :) |
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| 06:41.03 | casts | did someone split up your porn.wmv? |
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| 06:41.06 | xk | lol |
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| 06:41.20 | casts | i wish people would just use split for splitting stuff like that.... |
| 06:41.38 | xk | well, people encrypt it because assholes get the files removed from filesharing sites |
| 06:41.39 | casts | finds most of the time the use of winrar to be totally unneccessary |
| 06:41.48 | xk | or maybe not assholes... maybe the content providers themselves :) |
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| 06:42.37 | casts | damn people. i want to encrypt files! so i'll use a compression program! |
| 06:43.12 | xk | bz2 it |
| 06:43.17 | xk | windows users will struggle with it :) |
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| 06:48.09 | karla | Ugh, it's been a while now, when I select packages for update in aptitude, they lose their 'Automatic' status. I tried reverting to default settings but this still happens |
| 06:48.11 | ndnihil | so, is there anything in the installer for installing to raid? |
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| 06:49.11 | ndnihil | I want to install to software raid1, but not seeing anything in the installer for it |
| 06:49.23 | ndnihil | and apparently grub has some issues? |
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| 06:50.20 | casts | the installer supports it |
| 06:50.22 | xk | ndnihil: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMyfljiCz3A |
| 06:50.28 | xk | there you go, a howto with RAID1 :) |
| 06:50.33 | ndnihil | sweet thanks |
| 06:50.47 | paq | xk /usr/lib/libvdpau.so.1 |
| 06:50.52 | casts | because i'm awesome, ill find the debian manual |
| 06:51.04 | paq | xk there's two on is so.1 and other is s0.1.0.0 |
| 06:51.08 | xk | who reads the manual :) |
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| 06:51.13 | xk | paq: that's ok |
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| 06:51.36 | xk | now run ldconfig as root |
| 06:51.45 | xk | then ldd /usr/bin/mplayer | grep "not found" |
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| 06:52.18 | xk | ndnihil: one with screenshots: http://mikeoverip.wordpress.com/2009/12/07/debian-5-lenny-step-by-step-installation-with-software-raid-1-with-screenshots/ |
| 06:52.32 | casts | 6.3.3.4 in the debian installation manual |
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| 06:52.39 | paq | xk, it still show same library not found |
| 06:52.59 | paq | xk, and ls -lh show its not there. But dpkg --search found it |
| 06:53.04 | casts | good lord, someone did a step by step with screenshots? |
| 06:53.14 | casts | how tedius |
| 06:53.16 | xk | yeah, for n00bs |
| 06:53.25 | xk | it's just easier to do the installer without following screenshots. |
| 06:53.38 | paq | I always use text installer |
| 06:53.59 | casts | so did they... |
| 06:54.30 | xk | ndnihil: install swap on the RAID1 array. |
| 06:54.39 | xk | unlike on those screenshots. |
| 06:55.19 | paq | xk ldconfig just returned back |
| 06:55.31 | casts | or don't install swap |
| 06:55.34 | casts | ducks |
| 06:55.46 | casts | it does amuse me how people will mirror everything but swap |
| 06:55.48 | xk | you dont want OOM to go on a rampage :) |
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| 06:56.07 | xk | disable swap and leave swappiness at 60 :) |
| 06:56.09 | rozie | he can use swap in file |
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| 06:56.35 | xk | rozie: performance degredation. |
| 06:56.43 | rozie | not really |
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| 06:56.47 | xk | its best to use it on a block device. |
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| 06:57.03 | paq | xk, I think this proprietary nvidia driver is messing things up for mplayer. And my video is slow in full screen |
| 06:57.40 | xk | rozie: well, with journalling + swap file it's a performance killer. |
| 06:57.50 | casts | xk: actually...its not ;) |
| 06:57.56 | xk | it is |
| 06:58.07 | casts | let me find the reference |
| 06:58.15 | casts | the kernel is relatively smart in this aspect |
| 06:58.52 | casts | here we go, lkml.org/lkml/2005/7/7/326 |
| 06:59.06 | casts | to quote mr morton "None at all" |
| 06:59.09 | rozie | xk: it's common myth. it's not longer true since 2.6 |
| 06:59.19 | xk | hmm |
| 06:59.47 | rozie | http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/7/7/326 |
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| 07:00.00 | casts | thanks rozie |
| 07:00.11 | xk | what about journalling on the underlying fs? |
| 07:00.19 | casts | i mean, i lie my links being validated |
| 07:00.28 | casts | s/lie/like :) |
| 07:00.30 | rozie | xk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paging#Linux |
| 07:00.34 | xk | lkml.org/lkml/2005/7/7/326 |
| 07:00.35 | xk | er |
| 07:01.20 | xk | hmmm... any recommendations on values of swappiness? |
| 07:01.44 | casts | stopped using swap when he upgraded from 64 to 512mb of ram :) |
| 07:02.19 | paq | xk, actually, now dpkg --search libdvdpau.so returns not found, but earlier, i found it |
| 07:02.26 | xk | dvd? |
| 07:02.28 | xk | or vdp? |
| 07:03.01 | paq | xk, oh yeah, i added a d in there, dpkg finds it |
| 07:03.17 | paq | xk, but mplayer doesn't for some reason |
| 07:03.41 | xk | > ls -la /usr/lib/libvdp* |
| 07:03.41 | xk | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Jul 15 2009 /usr/lib/libvdpau.so -> libvdpau.so.1 |
| 07:03.41 | xk | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Jul 15 2009 /usr/lib/libvdpau.so.1 -> libvdpau.so.180.11 |
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| 07:04.04 | xk | hmm... my mplayer doesn't even link to it. |
| 07:04.40 | paq | xk no such file or dir |
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| 07:06.46 | casts | i encourage everyone to try to swap, we've always been told of the possible performances hits etc...but then you notice how many of your boxes have swap but don't use any, and how you're using the same apps you were using when you had 100th the RAM, and that having and using large amounts of swap [say >2GB] sucks, and that an extra 2GB of memory on an 8GB machine makes sod all difference...and who wants to risk things in memory being written out to disk, for ... |
| 07:06.52 | casts | ... privacy reasons...and oh how hard it is to tell what memory isn't going to be used and can be written out, why that's predicting the future! |
| 07:06.55 | casts | finishes rant |
| 07:07.32 | paq | xk, I just did apt-get remove mplayer, and then installed it back again, it fine now. Thanks for your help my friend |
| 07:07.36 | paq | ls |
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| 07:09.31 | xk | are there any benefits to journalling? |
| 07:10.54 | casts | yes |
| 07:11.06 | casts | there are more cute girls in such courses, than say, CS |
| 07:11.35 | xk | heh |
| 07:11.58 | malfy | har har funnyy |
| 07:12.09 | malfy | i think he meant journalling filesystems though |
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| 07:16.18 | casts | xk: 'depends' ;) |
| 07:16.59 | casts | COW seems what all the cool kids are doing now days |
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| 07:17.18 | woonix | cow.... computer on wheels? |
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| 07:17.37 | casts | copy on write |
| 07:17.38 | nHarzilei | woonix: almost... copy on write |
| 07:17.50 | nHarzilei | meh. hit enter just a split second too late -.- |
| 07:17.54 | woonix | ah ok |
| 07:18.21 | woonix | it's ok nHarzilei , i read yours first since my chat client put it in red. |
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| 07:21.09 | casts | curiously despite having multiple cores...i doubt this parallel implementation of gzip will get me much, given ill be io bound ~100mb/s |
| 07:21.29 | casts | at first i was thinking "awesome! 6x faster! oh wait..." |
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| 07:25.38 | TurtleHead | hi biotches |
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| 07:29.50 | TurtleHead | sdsdsd |
| 07:30.22 | TurtleHead | sasadasdasdasds\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ |
| 07:30.26 | TurtleHead | hghhfghfgh |
| 07:30.50 | TurtleHead | test |
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| 07:32.46 | qide | hi all,iceseasel and chromium-browser couldn't load any https webpage, but epiphany can do it. Error 7 (net::ERR_TIMED_OUT): The operation timed out.(chromium-brower) |
| 07:32.53 | qide | any suggestions? |
| 07:35.33 | qide | can someone help me? |
| 07:36.23 | woonix | I'm thinking (slowly, because I'm tired) |
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| 07:37.11 | woonix | Are you using any kind of network proxy? |
| 07:37.22 | qide | woonix,no |
| 07:37.52 | qide | more,lynx and w3m can use https (eg:mail.google.com) |
| 07:40.08 | woonix | I've been looking up that error, and it seems that other people are having that problem too, though I haven't found any resolution for it yet. |
| 07:40.13 | woonix | Sounds like a bug |
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| 07:41.34 | woonix | Here's a possible lead: "Found the problem. The "Require SSL Connections" option had accidently gotten turned on. This was making the server try and establish an SSL session even for the non-secure parts of the page and thus causing the timeout. By disabling this option, the site is now working." |
| 07:41.43 | Bushmills | if have debtree'd all squeeze packages, and put as .svg on server. for getting to a dependency graph, package=packagename; display http://deps.scarydevilmonastery.net/$package.svg would for example do, if your browser doesn't support svg. there's an index on http://deps.scarydevilmonastery.net, but rather larger, as you might expect. |
| 07:41.56 | woonix | I got that from a web site talking about a similar problem. I'd check your browser settings to see if you have something like that. |
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| 07:42.43 | qide | woonix,what should i do? |
| 07:42.57 | ershad | Could you tell me how to customize apt-get so that it would download the packages with wget ? |
| 07:43.44 | qide | someone let me set /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_timestamps to 0, but no use for me. |
| 07:45.21 | woonix | qide: I don't have iceweasel installed so I can't tell you where to go. I suggest looking in your browser for SSL settings that you can change. |
| 07:46.10 | qide | woonix,have installed chromium-browser? |
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| 07:47.15 | nHarzilei | ershad: you'd need to wrap wget in a script in /usr/lib/apt/methods, but i don't know where expected parameters/locations of downloaded files are specified |
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| 07:48.22 | qide | woonix, too many options, i don't know which is ssl settings. |
| 07:48.26 | nHarzilei | ershad: its likely not worth the hassle, so what are you trying to do that could make it necessary? |
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| 07:49.32 | ershad | nHarzilei, I'm using a slow internet, and wget downloads faster than apt-get (using --print-uris to get the link and giving it to wget) |
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| 07:50.00 | ershad | nHarzilei, hence it would be nice if apt-get use wget by default to get the packages |
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| 07:50.58 | ershad | Could you tell me from where could I get the source codes of the binaries in /usr/lib/apt/method? Hope it would help me to know the arguments given by apt-get |
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| 07:52.07 | Bushmills | apt-get source apt should get you at least some |
| 07:52.08 | nHarzilei | likely apt-get source apt-get ;) |
| 07:52.32 | ershad | ha ha, awesome :) |
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| 07:54.35 | LinuxGuy2009 | I'm trying to remember the command to remove all packages but the base system. Is it "aptitude purge -i ~prequired+ ~pstandard+ ~pimportant+"? or is it ~i? or am I totally wrong? |
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| 08:00.36 | nHarzilei | ershad: found some perl code that refers to ""APT Method Itnerface" in libapt-pkg-doc package" |
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| 08:01.33 | ershad | nHarzilei, Thank you, I will get it |
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| 08:29.04 | boodie | Hi: I'm tryin' to upgrade from lenny to squeeze, but I'm scared of damaging my linux box; has anybody done it? |
| 08:29.36 | Bushmills | what, damaged the box? |
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| 08:31.55 | boodie | Bushmills: not literally ... I'm scared of ending up with an unusable system; |
| 08:32.15 | streuner__ | dpkg, lenny->squeeze |
| 08:32.16 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <squeeze release notes>. |
| 08:32.16 | nHarzilei | boodie: you should read the release notes section on upgrading. it contains instruction about backing up your old system. if this is your only computer you should maybe get a live cd before for the recovery. that should make everything a lot less scary. |
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| 08:32.56 | Bushmills | boodie: some folks complained about some lack of support of some hardware after upgrade |
| 08:33.17 | Bushmills | but i suppose everybody had a recent backup |
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| 08:34.34 | boodie | Ok, I did a backup yestarday ; how do I save the list of the installed packages? |
| 08:35.22 | mocca | when i ctrl+alt F1 from desktop, i just get blank screen without prompt. What is causing this? |
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| 08:35.38 | Bushmills | dpkg --get-selections > installed.list would do |
| 08:35.38 | dpkg | Bushmills: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 08:35.54 | Bushmills | dpkg: come on and be a smart bot |
| 08:35.55 | dpkg | Bushmills: no idea |
| 08:36.12 | Bushmills | symptomatic |
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| 08:37.23 | streuner__ | dpkg, listvals --get-selections |
| 08:37.25 | dpkg | Factoid search of '--get-selections' by value (4): reinstall ;; list all packages ;; package reselect ;; debian clone. |
| 08:37.35 | streuner__ | dpkg, debian clone |
| 08:37.36 | dpkg | One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup>. |
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| 08:44.29 | boodie | Another question (thanks so far); I have kdm as a login manager; should I get rid of it before upgrading (I heard of KDE4 messing up, and people unable to login)? |
| 08:44.30 | ndnihil | is the amd64 kernel correct for intel xeons? |
| 08:44.36 | ndnihil | seems to be running ok |
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| 08:53.51 | boodie | I have lenny, with kdm as a login manager; how do I remove it from /etc/init.d? |
| 08:55.15 | GPenguin | boodie: have a look at the README inside that directory |
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| 08:58.50 | zorg1 | boodie maybe you want stop kdm to start at boot time so look at update-rc.d |
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| 08:59.29 | cahoot | !ia |
| 08:59.30 | dpkg | ia is, like, Iowa |
| 08:59.50 | slie | so under full debian do i just install everything under debian? |
| 08:59.55 | slie | lol i ment su |
| 09:00.06 | boodie | update-rc.d, ok |
| 09:00.39 | Bushmills | installing all the stuff you don't need or have no use for sounds like a great idea |
| 09:01.18 | GPenguin | this way you always have something to update :P |
| 09:03.04 | boodie | so, "update-rc.d -f kdm remove" should do the job |
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| 09:05.42 | zorg1 | boodie exact |
| 09:05.54 | zorg1 | boodie roght |
| 09:06.02 | zorg1 | boodie right |
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| 09:10.33 | slie | how do i refreash sources of a user? |
| 09:10.38 | StuckMojo | have there been lots of reported issues with the dependancy based booting? |
| 09:10.47 | StuckMojo | i chickened out on converting during my upgrade |
| 09:10.58 | StuckMojo | as these are coloed servers |
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| 09:15.12 | StuckMojo | crosses fingers... |
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| 09:16.53 | superlinux | hi. how can I get the list of disk UUID? |
| 09:17.04 | cahoot | blkid |
| 09:17.13 | superlinux | cahoot, thanks |
| 09:17.53 | slie | how do i refreash a user with out f-ing restarting? |
| 09:18.49 | StuckMojo | "refresh"? |
| 09:19.03 | tjack | how do you want to f-ing refresh a user? |
| 09:19.26 | StuckMojo | ENOTENOUGHINFO |
| 09:19.44 | Bushmills | serving cold drinks might do |
| 09:19.45 | cahoot | let him sleep |
| 09:19.56 | tjack | or he should take a shower |
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| 09:20.36 | GPenguin | Fudge! hellooo |
| 09:21.16 | Fudge | hi, how can i make a kernel module load automatically? modprobe speakup_soft starts it when i boot then i can start espeakup and i get speech |
| 09:21.46 | cahoot | put it in /etc/modules perhaps |
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| 09:22.06 | Fudge | cahoot thanks ltm try that |
| 09:22.54 | izua_ | hey there, trying to install debian on k52f, after failing from an usb stick, i wrote a cdrom, and now it says "no ethernet card detected". i tried earlier with a gentoo live cd, and it says i need the ath9k driver for wireless and jmicron for ethernet. none of the above are in the "drive needed by your ethernet card" list. what do i do? |
| 09:23.24 | izua_ | s/k52f/asus k52f laptop, i3 variant |
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| 09:24.01 | StuckMojo | izua_: you might need some of the non-free stuff |
| 09:24.25 | Fudge | cahoot modprobe.d jsut has conf files really, no modules |
| 09:24.25 | StuckMojo | wireless seems to often require that |
| 09:24.45 | Fudge | i can see /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/drivers/staging/speakup/speakup_soft.ko |
| 09:26.33 | cahoot | Fudge: no /etc/modules on your system? |
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| 09:28.12 | superlinux | cahoot, I need the debian hibernation how to. would you please give me a link you'd trust? |
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| 09:28.58 | StuckMojo | breathes a sigh of relief |
| 09:29.05 | StuckMojo | well, i think i'm done with my squeeze upgrade |
| 09:29.10 | StuckMojo | both boxes seem fine |
| 09:29.11 | cahoot | superlinux: sorry no, only use pm-utils for s2ram here |
| 09:29.21 | StuckMojo | nice job folks! it was a long time coming ;) |
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| 09:30.24 | Fudge | cahoot yes thank you, sorry i thought it was a folder and not a file. |
| 09:30.24 | superlinux | cahoot, can't I do disk hibernation? |
| 09:30.36 | superlinux | cahoot, can't I do TO disk hibernation? |
| 09:30.39 | StuckMojo | wanders off |
| 09:30.39 | izua_ | StuckMojo: pretty sure i don't, since it doesn't come with gentoo and gentoo could see my card |
| 09:30.47 | cahoot | superlinux: surely - just me not bothering |
| 09:30.48 | izua_ | also, pretty sure atheros cards are among the best supported |
| 09:30.57 | superlinux | ok |
| 09:32.02 | StuckMojo | izua_: hmph. well i dunno. i've only installed ubuntu on laptops. |
| 09:32.27 | izua_ | myeah, ubuntu works |
| 09:32.28 | StuckMojo | i use deb on my servers, which tend to have very well supported hardware |
| 09:32.29 | Fudge | ooh think its workin now |
| 09:32.41 | simonrvn | fsvo works |
| 09:32.44 | StuckMojo | izua_: although, the ubuntu live cd might help you figure out what you need |
| 09:32.50 | StuckMojo | izua_: you're trying with squeeze? |
| 09:33.01 | izua_ | uh 5.06 netinst |
| 09:33.22 | izua_ | is it possible to do netinst over wifi, with wpa2? |
| 09:33.32 | simonrvn | no, wep only |
| 09:33.46 | izua_ | meh |
| 09:34.06 | StuckMojo | izua_: oh, try with 6 then |
| 09:34.11 | StuckMojo | 6 is squeeze, the new stable |
| 09:34.18 | StuckMojo | 5 is lenny, and is quite old |
| 09:34.23 | izua_ | oh. |
| 09:34.28 | izua_ | i'm not quite current with releases etc |
| 09:34.35 | izua_ | i just make a cd and if it works, i keep using it |
| 09:34.35 | StuckMojo | it just came out |
| 09:34.40 | StuckMojo | about 2 weeks ago |
| 09:34.50 | StuckMojo | much newer kernel |
| 09:34.53 | izua_ | .32? |
| 09:34.59 | StuckMojo | Linux insectosaurus 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 12 03:40:32 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 09:35.04 | izua_ | nice :) |
| 09:35.22 | izua_ | how's the 64 bit version going though? |
| 09:35.23 | simonrvn | talking 'bout squeeze |
| 09:35.29 | StuckMojo | if ubuntu works, sqeeze shoudl |
| 09:35.40 | StuckMojo | izua_: i've moved all my installs to 64 these days |
| 09:35.43 | izua_ | or should i stick to 32 bit? |
| 09:35.57 | simonrvn | depends |
| 09:36.00 | StuckMojo | they got flash working well, so that was the last desktop stumbling block |
| 09:36.08 | StuckMojo | least for me anyway |
| 09:36.25 | StuckMojo | but again, i run ubuntu on the desktop, and it plays better with that sort of thing |
| 09:36.27 | izua_ | nice, the adobe plugin, or a separate one? |
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| 09:36.34 | StuckMojo | regular plugin |
| 09:36.39 | izua_ | hmm |
| 09:36.49 | izua_ | i just want to keep it on the laptop for latex |
| 09:36.56 | StuckMojo | it uses the 32bit adobe plugin through a npviewer.bin wrapper |
| 09:36.58 | izua_ | i'd rather stick to windows for desktop usage though |
| 09:37.12 | StuckMojo | well just install it in virtualbox then |
| 09:37.38 | izua_ | myeah, that might also do |
| 09:37.45 | izua_ | but i was curious how compatible this laptop is with linux |
| 09:37.48 | StuckMojo | in any case, try with squeeze before you give up |
| 09:37.52 | StuckMojo | it'll probably "just work" |
| 09:38.00 | izua_ | downloading and making cd now |
| 09:38.12 | izua_ | had no idea squeeze was released |
| 09:38.14 | StuckMojo | and if that doesn't you could try ubuntu |
| 09:38.23 | StuckMojo | waits for someone to smack him for saying that |
| 09:38.35 | Bushmills | hybrid graphics, like with ion and ion2 controllers, are still not well supported |
| 09:38.49 | izua_ | if i'll go with ubuntu, i'll probably just use it to make a stage3 for gentoo anyway |
| 09:38.54 | StuckMojo | iirc he said he's got a core-i3 |
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| 09:46.02 | s3phir0th115 | Anyone else get "Starting advanced IEEE 802.11 management: hostapdioctl[SIOCSIWMODE]: Invalid argument" when trying to run hostapd in Squeeze? |
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| 09:55.49 | izua_ | aw |
| 09:55.50 | izua_ | my eyes |
| 09:55.57 | izua_ | boot image on 6 is horrible >.> |
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| 09:57.30 | allu2 | where is channel for support with debian testing? |
| 10:00.09 | allu2 | anyone? |
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| 10:00.32 | cahoot | !testing |
| 10:00.32 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
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| 10:02.00 | allu2 | cahoot: didn't really answer my question |
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| 10:03.19 | cahoot | allu2: I think the answer is a combination of the links above and this channel |
| 10:05.25 | Guest46809 | Hello, I am searching for a particular Perl module (Net::SSH::Perl) which does not seem to be nor in squeeze. Is there any (possibly unofficial) Debian repository where unreleased Perl modules can be found? |
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| 10:06.20 | allu2 | cahoot: well i still didn't find so i'll stop bethering you and leave :P wasn't such a help full trip |
| 10:06.24 | allu2 | bothering* |
| 10:06.28 | simonrvn | !dh-make-perl |
| 10:06.28 | dpkg | i heard dh-make-perl is a packaged script that converts Perl modules snagged from <CPAN> into .deb archives. You get to use CPAN archives, Debian's dependencies stay in one piece, everybody's happy. |
| 10:06.34 | simonrvn | Guest46809: ^^^ |
| 10:07.37 | Guest46809 | simonrvn: thanks, I thought Debian admins/users/developpers will have a debian way :-) |
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| 10:13.10 | Guest46809 | simonrvn: Actually, this module seems to be quite popular and stable enough, do you see a way how to find out if there is a good reason why it was not already incorporated into debian repository (like problems in code, hard installation ...)? |
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| 10:13.41 | simonrvn | might've been, lemme check |
| 10:13.57 | simonrvn | libnet-ssh2-perl |
| 10:14.00 | simonrvn | yup |
| 10:14.08 | simonrvn | !tell Guest46809 -about search |
| 10:14.11 | Guest46809 | simonrvn: it is not the same thing |
| 10:14.22 | simonrvn | there's 2 |
| 10:14.29 | Guest46809 | simonrvn: actually three |
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| 10:14.43 | Guest46809 | simonrvn: I will find relevant links to CPAN |
| 10:14.45 | simonrvn | libnet-ssh-perl - Perl extension for secure shell |
| 10:14.46 | simonrvn | libnet-ssh2-perl - Perl module for the SSH 2 protocol |
| 10:15.10 | simonrvn | not talking about cpan, talking about debian ;) |
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| 10:15.28 | Guest46809 | simonrvn: but in general, one is a wrapper, the other is binding to libssh, the third one (the one I want) is pure-perl implementation |
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| 10:17.33 | simonrvn | ok, well you'll have to make-perl it if you don't find it |
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| 10:20.07 | Guest46809 | simonrvn: okay, just for reference the packages you wrote about contain modules Net::SSH, Net::SSH2, the one I want is Net::SSH::Perl |
| 10:20.17 | Guest46809 | simonrvn: anyway thanks |
| 10:20.24 | izua | hmm |
| 10:20.33 | izua | i'm at the install prompt, it asks me about the character set of the console font |
| 10:20.49 | izua | i want utf8, is this possible? |
| 10:20.56 | simonrvn | ok. well usual debian packaging name for that would be libnet-ssh-perl-perl :P |
| 10:21.08 | s3phir0th115 | I'm getting, "Starting advanced IEEE 802.11 management: hostapd (warning)." now |
| 10:21.12 | simonrvn | izua: pick a font that supports that |
| 10:21.24 | s3phir0th115 | When trying to use ath5k drivers with hostapd |
| 10:21.25 | BluePanter | do anyone know how to set lock screen gnome (sreensaver) on debian with root user ? |
| 10:21.27 | Guest46809 | simonrvn: yes :-) |
| 10:21.58 | s3phir0th115 | Doesn't work with madwifi either... Are there any known problems with that in Squeeze atm? |
| 10:22.36 | simonrvn | BluePanter: uh, why? don't run x as root... |
| 10:23.01 | RichiH | where can i define what valid key names in X are? at the moment, i am hogging F13 etc, but i'd like to create custom ones |
| 10:23.07 | BluePanter | :) yes I know, but ask if it is possible to do that ?? |
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| 10:23.13 | simonrvn | you already have a large binary running setuid root, you don't want to add to that... |
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| 10:24.15 | AltrortlA | I have a question about Iceweaseal on debian: I have installed Quick Translator addon but it seems won't work (I can select text to be translate, click on Icon to start, animation start like it want to translate the text but no result) .... sorry if this isn't the right place to got this answer. I hope someones can help me |
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| 10:26.27 | streuner__ | RichiH: ever tried keytouch? |
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| 10:27.06 | streuner__ | RichiH: sounds promising - keytouch - Ein Programm zum Konfigurieren von Sondertasten auf Multimediatastaturen |
| 10:27.42 | BluePanter | how to run browser on remote debian host, which is also running with same debian user (from ssh) ? |
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| 10:29.36 | casts | BluePanter: ssh -X then run your browser |
| 10:29.39 | Scarra3 | For debian squeeze should I go with the netinstall or the large install |
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| 10:30.01 | casts | Scarra3: netinst will suffice unless you don't have ethernet with the internet |
| 10:30.26 | simonrvn | BluePanter: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 10:30.32 | BluePanter | yes I know that. when i run browser I don't get running browser which was run from same user with diffrent session ? How can I do dhat |
| 10:31.18 | simonrvn | what? |
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| 10:31.36 | Scarra3 | casts: Well im to far away from my router so I half to go with the large install or will wireless work |
| 10:32.44 | Bas_The_Real_One | hey all... I have problems on squeeze when compiling... error messages about an undefined sigsetjmp |
| 10:33.25 | BluePanter | ok I run browser with user aaa on debian host where I work, this browser is downloadnig some files. Then I come home . I connect remote to host with obpenvpn and ssh -X aaa@debia.com... HOw I run exactliy that browser which is downloading some files ?? |
| 10:34.11 | lauris | is it possible to restart kswapd ? |
| 10:34.13 | BluePanter | I can run bowser but I get new instance of browser. |
| 10:34.37 | BluePanter | I down what to run new instace of browser but existing one. |
| 10:34.42 | izua_ | i'm trying to install debian, right now at the 'configuring apt' step, but all mirrors (local or not) fail |
| 10:35.16 | izua_ | "mirror does not support the specified release (squeeze)" |
| 10:35.35 | izua_ | which one should i use? |
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| 10:37.41 | izua_ | oookay. |
| 10:38.01 | izua_ | seems like pretty much every mirror (us, germany, austria, france, russia or local fails with the same error message. |
| 10:38.17 | izua_ | any other ideas except downloading the whole 50 cds? |
| 10:39.06 | AimHere | Isn't the release more likely to be 'unstable' 'stable' or 'testing' rather than sid/squeeze/lenny or whatever? |
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| 10:39.37 | AimHere | Maybe 'oldstable' |
| 10:39.38 | lauris | kswapd0 hogs my disk, is there anything i can do without rebooting server ? |
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| 10:44.19 | simonrvn | lauris: difficult, if not impossible |
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| 10:56.03 | RichiH | streuner__: no; will try |
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| 11:01.37 | Guest46809 | simonrvn: is there a way how to use dh-make-perl interactively during configuration? |
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| 11:03.18 | Guest46809 | simonrvn: there is actually an option enabling selected crypt methods and by default, it takes only one of them |
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| 11:06.01 | simonrvn | man it |
| 11:06.36 | izua_ | hmm |
| 11:06.39 | izua_ | looks live i've done it |
| 11:06.47 | izua_ | now.. is there a vga mode to set 1366x768 in console? |
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| 11:06.54 | arumaniac | hi all |
| 11:07.13 | arumaniac | does new version support rtl8192se cards? |
| 11:07.15 | Guest46809 | simonrvn: I checked man, but found nothing ... rechecking again |
| 11:07.27 | Bushmills | izua_: pastebin your sources.list |
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| 11:08.15 | xyzp | can i update my flashplayer in firefox directly from the net, or most i first download it? |
| 11:08.41 | izua_ | Bushmills: http://codepad.org/kUKHnhrW, but i succeded in installing the system |
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| 11:09.12 | Bushmills | yes, there is a framebuffer console 1366x768 mode |
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| 11:09.36 | izua_ | but.. which magic number do i set? |
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| 11:10.41 | izua_ | i can only find vga=* numbers for 4:3 resolutions |
| 11:10.58 | arumaniac | does new version support rtl8192se cards? |
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| 11:12.55 | simonrvn | Guest46809: there is no 'interactive'; crypt methods? (lacking context here) |
| 11:13.04 | Bushmills | i don't set any mode as kernel parameter, and get http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1298805145765648678d.png |
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| 11:15.58 | izua_ | oook, little problem |
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| 11:16.22 | izua_ | i want to edit grub.cfg to change the menus, but it looks like it's over 100 lines long and it says to edit other files |
| 11:16.25 | JohnDoh | hi since i updated to squeeze its started automouting usb drives when i plug them in, does any one know how to disable this please? |
| 11:16.29 | izua_ | i see no 'menu' entries there. |
| 11:16.50 | Guest46809 | simonrvn: well, the module can support IDEA, DES, DES3 ... methods which require appropriate modules, but by default the only enabled is IDEA and I want to enable also the others. When I used cpan to install the modules non-Debian way, it was possible to choose interactively the others. |
| 11:17.44 | Guest46809 | simonrvn: I could hack the Makefile.PL but it seems to me as quite ugly way. |
| 11:18.29 | Bushmills | izua_: what does grub.cfg say right at the top? |
| 11:18.48 | izua_ | to edit other files cause it's autogenerated |
| 11:19.00 | Bushmills | what could that possibly mean? |
| 11:19.08 | izua_ | useless overcomplication ? |
| 11:19.35 | izua_ | i want something simple like menuentry (something) 2 lines follow menuentry (something else) |
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| 11:19.55 | izua_ | something _i_ can actually manage, heh. i just want to add the vga=* option somewhere |
| 11:19.58 | Bushmills | what make editing a file like /etc/grub.d/40_custom overcomplicated? |
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| 11:20.33 | Bushmills | or, /etc/default/grub, for that matter |
| 11:21.07 | izua_ | i guess it isn't |
| 11:21.16 | izua_ | but i still need to run a tool to write the grub file >.> |
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| 11:21.34 | izua_ | anyway. |
| 11:21.35 | Bushmills | update-grub |
| 11:21.47 | izua_ | so where am i supposed to _safely_ create a menu entry ? |
| 11:21.54 | izua_ | /etc/default/grub and then update-grub? |
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| 11:22.15 | Bushmills | create one in 40_custom. change default options in default |
| 11:22.32 | Bushmills | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= sounds like a good place |
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| 11:23.12 | izua_ | ok. |
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| 11:23.30 | pinetree | debian |
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| 11:26.44 | izua_ | Bushmills: http://codepad.org/uQOGs3tg looks ok, or am i missing something? |
| 11:27.18 | izua_ | or can i use "title; root; kernel" syntax there? |
| 11:27.40 | s3phir0th115 | Whew, looks like it was something known you had to do to get hostapd working with the madwifi drivers |
| 11:27.48 | ndnihil | is it just me, or is 64bit just a pain in the ass? |
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| 11:28.27 | ndnihil | no sun java in the repos, flash is broken, no telling what else wont work |
| 11:29.00 | s3phir0th115 | Flash works fine on my 64 bit Debian |
| 11:29.09 | s3phir0th115 | java stuff too with whatever it has |
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| 11:29.25 | s3phir0th115 | It's not nearly as bad as it once was |
| 11:29.29 | casts | ndnihil: so some proprietary shit is broken. who cares? :) |
| 11:29.47 | ndnihil | I do, as I use that shit |
| 11:29.53 | ndnihil | regularly |
| 11:29.57 | casts | but its not in debian :( |
| 11:30.02 | kgoetz | condolances |
| 11:30.08 | s3phir0th115 | There are also chroots |
| 11:30.18 | s3phir0th115 | Which work well if you need ultimate 32 bit compatibility |
| 11:30.23 | muneeb | can anyone help me with debian packaging.. I'm stuck at one point in Makefile |
| 11:30.50 | arumaniac | does new version support rtl8192se cards? |
| 11:30.58 | kgoetz | muneeb: if its a package for debian, try #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 11:31.11 | muneeb | ok kgoetz |
| 11:31.13 | kgoetz | muneeb: if its not, see dpkgs !ask factoid |
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| 11:37.38 | lxsameer | my default auth mechanism is kerberos how can i change that? (system wide) |
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| 11:38.38 | badbyte | is there a way to start a programm on the console telling ubuntu to use all cores of the system? |
| 11:39.24 | arumaniac | does new version support rtl8192se cards? |
| 11:39.29 | themill | badbyte: you were in the right place when you asked in #ubuntu. /msg dpkg ubuntu; /msg dpkg cross-post |
| 11:40.15 | badbyte | themill: hoped that you would asnwer me the question :) |
| 11:40.59 | izua_ | okay. |
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| 11:41.01 | thewanderer1 | lxsameer: pam-auth-update |
| 11:41.06 | izua_ | this is confusing |
| 11:41.13 | izua_ | i added set gfxmode=1366x768 to 00_header for grub |
| 11:41.28 | izua_ | however, only set gfxmode=640x480 appears in grub.cfg |
| 11:41.52 | izua_ | (after running update-grub, ofc) |
| 11:42.50 | izua_ | i edited it manually in grub.cfg, and the resolution only stays at 1366x768 for afew seconds when the console starts |
| 11:43.01 | izua_ | after that, it switches to plain old 640x480 |
| 11:44.02 | izua_ | also, the ssh is incredibly laggy, but i'm only one hop away, and there's no network activity except irc |
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| 11:46.35 | pingouin | is it mandatory to have an initrd to boot with grub2 & squeeze ? |
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| 11:48.45 | xyzp | xantos here |
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| 11:51.29 | pingouin | izua_: i think that grub.cfg of grub2 is not to be edited |
| 11:51.56 | babilen | it is not, one typically edits /etc/default/grub |
| 11:52.02 | pingouin | but i agree with you, grub2 is pain in the ass :) |
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| 11:53.18 | izua_ | hmm |
| 11:53.25 | izua_ | so after 'loading ramdisk' it switches to the old resolution |
| 11:53.29 | izua_ | any way to override that? |
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| 11:54.11 | babilen | izua_: looked at /etc/default/grub ? |
| 11:54.23 | izua_ | yes |
| 11:55.07 | pingouin | izua_: maybe ? : http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html#mozTocId315265 |
| 11:56.44 | babilen | pingouin: That post suggests editing 05_debian_theme which is *not* recommended. If one wants to set a wallpaper, one would specify WALLPAPER in /etc/default/grub as upstream intended |
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| 11:57.14 | pingouin | babilen: we do as we can, with grub2 :) |
| 11:57.21 | pingouin | i'm not working for nasa :) |
| 11:57.34 | babilen | pingouin: Just because something works, doesn't mean it is a good idea. :) |
| 11:57.37 | pingouin | and grub2 is meant to launch spacial devices :) |
| 11:57.48 | pingouin | not only boot linux :) |
| 11:58.04 | izua_ | goddamit it's a bootloader not a rocket |
| 11:58.26 | pingouin | yep :) |
| 11:58.48 | babilen | izua_: So, you've set your desired resolution, ran 'update-grub' but it 'switches bad to the old resolution' ? |
| 11:58.51 | pingouin | but it's a rocket launcher :) see how hard is it to change anything :) |
| 11:59.11 | izua_ | yes, just after 'loading ramdisk' |
| 11:59.27 | pingouin | i went back to grub-legacy |
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| 12:00.21 | pingouin | babilen: where did you see that edition 5_debian_theme was not recommended ? |
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| 12:01.13 | pingouin | i've read that all /etc/grub.d/script can be edited, only grub.cfg should not |
| 12:01.23 | babilen | pingouin: I know it (by discussion with the maintainers) |
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| 12:01.31 | pingouin | anyway...nobody knows how grub2 works in fact :) |
| 12:01.48 | izua_ | might as well write my own bootloader |
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| 12:02.02 | pingouin | izua_: you can't do worse :) |
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| 12:02.14 | izua_ | although probably the kernel is now knees deep into grub2 and they can't work without one another |
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| 12:03.00 | babilen | pingouin: You *can* edit them and they are, after all, Debian scripts and it is therefore allowed to edit them (from grub's perspective). The point is, that one should set WALLPAPER in /etc/default/grub *or* (still not recommended, but better than editing the script) edit /usr/share/desktop-base/grub_background.sh |
| 12:03.18 | babilen | izua_: What is the /etc/default/grub you are using? |
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| 12:03.53 | pingouin | babilen: is there an irc chan for grub2 ? |
| 12:03.55 | sayanriju | Hi all, how can I know whether I have "an accelerated 3D graphics card driver" ? |
| 12:04.38 | pingouin | sayanriju: what is you graphic card ? |
| 12:04.52 | sayanriju | pingouin, Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) |
| 12:04.54 | izua_ | babilen: http://codepad.org/5huWhnVE |
| 12:05.00 | babilen | sayanriju: You could paste the output of "glxinfo" to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 12:05.36 | babilen | sayanriju: That tool is in the "mesa-utils" package |
| 12:05.49 | pingouin | sayanriju: forget it, it's cheap graphic chip...not really for 3D...even if there is some stuffs in the buggy intel driver |
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| 12:06.20 | pingouin | izua_: apt-get install lilo :) |
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| 12:06.45 | sayanriju | pingouin, so I can't play wolfenstein :enemy territory? |
| 12:06.57 | sayanriju | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/108981/ |
| 12:07.04 | pingouin | sayanriju: if 3 fps/s is playable for you.... |
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| 12:08.08 | babilen | sayanriju: yes, you have direct rendering (and not with a software renderer) |
| 12:08.52 | sayanriju | babilen, thanks |
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| 12:09.24 | babilen | izua_: Make "GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX" "GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX" |
| 12:09.27 | sayanriju | pingouin, i'll anyway give wolfenstein a shot |
| 12:09.36 | sayanriju | goes to download the installer |
| 12:09.38 | babilen | izua_: See /etc/grub.d/00_header for the way that variable is used |
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| 12:10.02 | babilen | izua_: err, 10_linux it is :) |
| 12:10.33 | izua_ | so again. |
| 12:10.53 | izua_ | i'm going to check /etc/grub/10_linux for how GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX is used |
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| 12:11.57 | izua_ | ok. |
| 12:12.01 | izua_ | not really useful: set gfxpayload=$GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX |
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| 12:14.28 | izua_ | babilen: changed GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX to GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX in /etc/default/grub, resolution still resets after loading ramdisk |
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| 12:17.33 | babilen | izua_: You have to set it to "keep" -- see "info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'" for options, their domain and meaning |
| 12:17.51 | izua_ | i did. |
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| 12:18.47 | izua_ | " set gfxpayload=keep" in header |
| 12:19.21 | izua_ | out of curiosity, why did grub change so much anyway |
| 12:19.31 | babilen | izua_: You have "GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep" in /etc/default/grub ? |
| 12:19.33 | izua_ | what's so new and shiny about it, that breaks a perfectly good working bootloader |
| 12:20.04 | kgoetz | grub lecay functions just as it did |
| 12:20.08 | kgoetz | *legacy |
| 12:20.09 | izua_ | ep. |
| 12:20.34 | izua_ | yep, exactly my question |
| 12:20.42 | izua_ | why make a new one if the old one works perfectly? |
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| 12:20.51 | babilen | izua_: You have "GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep" in /etc/default/grub ? |
| 12:20.53 | izua_ | but i disgress |
| 12:20.55 | izua_ | yes. |
| 12:21.04 | pingouin | izua_: because they expect to be a part of mars next rover launch :) |
| 12:21.36 | izua_ | ah, that explains the rockets in the boot/installation menu |
| 12:21.39 | pingouin | hope they will not have a linux to boot |
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| 12:22.53 | pingouin | izua_: yep, the so kidy debian theme :) (ouch) |
| 12:23.19 | izua_ | yeah heh |
| 12:23.24 | izua_ | that picture was horrible |
| 12:23.28 | izua_ | back to 1996 |
| 12:23.41 | pingouin | without delorean |
| 12:23.48 | pingouin | and flux capacitor |
| 12:23.58 | izua_ | it lackedit lacked the <FLASH> and <MARQUEE> though |
| 12:24.28 | babilen | please, this is getting off-topic. I wanted to help with this, but it is hard to diagnose problems if you drift of into semi-unrelated (ot) discussions. |
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| 12:24.49 | izua_ | ah, thought you went away |
| 12:24.55 | izua_ | i think i'm gonna write it manually |
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| 12:25.16 | pingouin | ok so i ask again : the initrd is mandatory to boot a kernel with grub2 ? |
| 12:25.18 | izua_ | and it that fails, well, i have a nice environment for making a stage3. |
| 12:25.40 | cahoot | pingouin: depends on what kernel |
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| 12:26.09 | casts | initrd certainly isn't mandatory to boot a kernel with grub2 |
| 12:26.19 | babilen | pingouin: and it is initramfs |
| 12:26.31 | pingouin | cahoot: lot of kernel build by myself, that worked/boot perfectly with lenny..., dont boot with squeeze/grub2 |
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| 12:26.45 | pingouin | cahoot: vfs root devices blahblah |
| 12:27.01 | pingouin | cahoot: even with uuid etc |
| 12:27.09 | cahoot | pingouin: not a problem I've encountered |
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| 12:27.22 | pingouin | i'm a lucky guy i know :) |
| 12:27.40 | babilen | izua_: I did not go away, you have a problem and asked for help. But I am not interested in grub2 bashing or chit-chat in here :) |
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| 12:30.26 | babilen | izua_: Just to verify, you set "GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep" in /etc/default/grub, did not touch *any* scripts in /etc/grub.d/, ran "update-grub" and the resolution you specified in "GRUB_GFXMODE" is not kept on boot? (may I see the complete default/grub you use?) |
| 12:30.48 | babilen | izua_: Are you using a stock kernel? |
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| 12:32.43 | izua_ | well |
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| 12:32.53 | babilen | izua_: Could you also verify with 'vbeinfo' on the grub command line that the mode you specified in GRUB_GFXMODE is listed? |
| 12:32.54 | izua_ | i *might* have touched stuff in /etc/grub.d |
| 12:32.56 | babilen | izua_: well? |
| 12:33.20 | babilen | izua_: Could you paste a unified (diff -u) to paste.debian.net please? |
| 12:33.28 | babilen | unified diff that is |
| 12:33.34 | izua_ | uh. |
| 12:33.41 | izua_ | hold on, i'll just restore the backup |
| 12:33.59 | babilen | are you using a stock kernel? |
| 12:34.02 | izua_ | yes |
| 12:34.19 | izua_ | ok, update-grub.. reboot.. |
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| 12:34.23 | izua_ | *waits* |
| 12:34.46 | izua_ | yay. that seems to do the trick. |
| 12:34.58 | izua_ | so apparently it was something it the /etc/grub.d/ i changed |
| 12:35.25 | babilen | izua_: Apparently :) Don't edit those files as this is typically not needed. |
| 12:35.36 | izua_ | i think i'm gonna bypass them anyway |
| 12:36.17 | izua_ | i'm probably going to make my own grub.lst out of the current huge one |
| 12:36.22 | izua_ | grub.cfg, ahem. |
| 12:36.27 | babilen | You are free to do what you want, but note that we (i.e. #d) make certain assumptions about your system. One aspect of that is that we assume that you did not touch system scripts (or tell us what you've changed) |
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| 12:36.40 | babilen | izua_: Why do you want to do that? |
| 12:36.54 | babilen | izua_: btw, you are welcome ;) |
| 12:36.55 | izua_ | indeed. i will mention such changes |
| 12:37.06 | izua_ | ah, was about to type thanks |
| 12:37.14 | babilen | hehe :-þ |
| 12:37.17 | izua_ | i'm looking at it, it looks pretty with the nice system font |
| 12:37.42 | izua_ | well, because it's an extra managing headache |
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| 12:45.59 | user0 | people to get a list of all installed backpots pacakges? |
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| 12:47.05 | Arafangion | user0: That question doesn't make sense. :( |
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| 12:47.43 | Arafangion | user0: It's grammatically correct, if you ignore punctuation, but it just doesn't make sense. |
| 12:48.55 | babilen | !bdo list |
| 12:48.55 | dpkg | To get a list of all the packages you have installed from backports.debian.org: aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Debian Backports))' -F'%100p'. Also ask me about <which repo>. |
| 12:49.31 | user0 | lol |
| 12:49.36 | izua_ | and there's the missing ", how" |
| 12:49.37 | user0 | possible* |
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| 12:49.58 | babilen | !lol |
| 12:49.59 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 12:50.02 | babilen | ;) |
| 12:50.15 | nHarzilei | bwahahaha %-) |
| 12:50.21 | nHarzilei | scnr |
| 12:50.22 | user0 | heh |
| 12:51.39 | Arafangion | Speaking of lol... NOTHING is as annoying as meeting a person who actually says 'lol' in /real life/. |
| 12:51.44 | Arafangion | ie, in person. |
| 12:52.04 | abrotman | nothing? |
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| 12:52.22 | Arafangion | abrotman: Perhaps I shouldn't use absolutes, but hey, I'm human! |
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| 12:57.18 | cahoot | lmao perhaps? |
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| 13:20.10 | casts | hmm, how does one get hobbitd to listen on 127.0.0.1:1984 instead of *:1984? |
| 13:20.32 | casts | you know, so the universe cant see my ps aux listings |
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| 13:25.09 | Ecco | Hi everyone |
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| 13:25.40 | Ecco | How can I tell which packages pulled in a given package ? |
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| 13:26.08 | Ecco | IOW, I'd like to tell which packages depends on a give one |
| 13:26.26 | Ecco | (pretty muche the reverse of "apt-cache depends") |
| 13:26.35 | Bushmills | ecco, aptitude why package might do, alternatively apt-get rdepends |
| 13:26.41 | Ecco | oh, thanks |
| 13:26.53 | Ecco | nifty |
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| 13:26.55 | Ecco | thanks :-) |
| 13:27.14 | Bushmills | ehm .. apt-cache, not apt-get |
| 13:27.22 | Ecco | I used the aptitude version |
| 13:29.15 | babilen | or that :) |
| 13:29.42 | izua_ | ok hmm |
| 13:29.46 | izua_ | one more issue. ssh is rather slow |
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| 13:30.05 | Ecco | I'm using "aptitude why" |
| 13:30.11 | Ecco | and there's this line starting ith "pB" |
| 13:30.12 | izua_ | i type, echo comes back delayed. not by much, but to make vim lag behind |
| 13:30.14 | Ecco | what does it mean ? |
| 13:30.18 | Ecco | (for instance "pB libmagickcore3-extra Depends libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0) |
| 13:31.27 | Bushmills | B should be "blocked", p would be "purge". asked to purge it, but needed because it's a dependency of another package |
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| 13:33.43 | Bushmills | izua_: no problem with lag here. seems to be not a ssh problem. maybe network related? |
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| 13:34.21 | izua_ | i'm one hop away, only network activity is irc |
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| 13:34.32 | izua_ | also there's another box, also one hop away and there's no lag. |
| 13:35.14 | Bushmills | that indicates that ssh is not the sole cause |
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| 13:35.27 | D3xter | hey guys |
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| 13:38.36 | D3xter | when i try to su from root to my user, i get the following prompt "\h:\w$", although pwd says i'm in my home directory. bash-completion just works, when i'm logged in as root, not as a user |
| 13:38.41 | D3xter | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.14 | izua_ | Bushmills: network drivers? |
| 13:39.28 | Bushmills | unlikely |
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| 13:42.15 | babilen | D3xter: See the discussion of the "-, -l, --login" option in "man su" -- Does that change the bahviour? |
| 13:42.34 | nkuttler | D3xter: check also output of echo $SHELL |
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| 13:43.49 | babilen | D3xter: And that prompt are actually placeholders that are *meant* to be filled with meaningful values. (%h == hostname, %w == current working directory) |
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| 13:45.27 | D3xter | alright, now i know whats wrong, $SHELL is still set to sh |
| 13:46.03 | babilen | which is probably dash (ls -l /bin/sh) |
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| 13:48.24 | mocca | hi, ctrl+alt+F1 = blank screen, no console. It happen after i change GRUB GFXMODE=1024x768 and insert set gfxpayload=keep. Any work around for this? When i change back to default, ctrl+alt+F1 bring back the console. |
| 13:48.34 | D3xter | babilen: you're right :) is there anything like env-update on debian? |
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| 13:49.32 | babilen | mocca: default kernel? vbeinfo lists GRUB_GFXMODE as supported? |
| 13:50.01 | babilen | mocca: does this only happen after you've started X or also during the boot process? |
| 13:50.02 | mocca | babilen: yes default kernel. i also have nvidia 5200. |
| 13:50.04 | D3xter | babilen: nkuttler thanks :) |
| 13:50.24 | babilen | mocca: vbeinfo is meant to be used on the grub command prompt btw |
| 13:50.45 | mocca | during boot process no problem, i get the resolution. only doing ctrl+alt+F1, can get to console |
| 13:51.09 | mocca | babilen: im using grub2 |
| 13:51.29 | mocca | *cant get to console |
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| 13:53.08 | babilen | mocca: Uhm, sorry, have to go. :-\ (good luck though, i am sure others are eager to help) |
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| 13:53.24 | mocca | babilen: thanks. no problem |
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| 14:34.36 | casts | why, given 'BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686 root=/dev/mapper/sys-root ro security=tomoyo', does /sys/kernel/security/tomoyo not exist? |
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| 14:39.49 | dju` | Hi, I have a problem with grub2: grub-probe reports "no such disk" when called from grub-mkconfig, looking for /usr/share/grub/unicode.pf2. I use squeeze and also LVM. Any help please? |
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| 14:48.37 | Ecco | hi again |
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| 14:54.45 | Fuco | does debian support multiple processors out-of-the-box? |
| 14:55.05 | Fuco | I have a server with 2x XEON cpu |
| 14:55.27 | xk | yeah |
| 14:56.01 | Fuco | ok cool, thanks :P |
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| 14:58.22 | Ecco | Hmm, so I've been looking for a while |
| 14:58.36 | Ecco | And I can't figure out how to get out of this "prune Blocked" state |
| 14:58.49 | Ecco | I did "apt-get remove libmagickcore3-extra" |
| 14:59.00 | Ecco | and now it says "pB libmagickcore3-extra" |
| 14:59.12 | Ecco | and I've no idea why it's blocked... |
| 15:00.05 | themill | Ecco: the output of "aptitude -f install" might be instructive here |
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| 15:04.02 | Ecco | Thanks themill, I figured that out |
| 15:04.20 | Ecco | Now another question : I'm trying to install ImageMagick on a server machine |
| 15:04.32 | Ecco | for some reason, it pulls in very weird dependencies, like Avahi for instance |
| 15:04.46 | Ecco | and GTK+ |
| 15:04.54 | Ecco | Is there a "variants" system in Debian ? |
| 15:05.06 | themill | Ecco: this might be one of the places where recommended packages are a little painful. /msg dpkg apt recommends |
| 15:05.42 | Ecco | thanks |
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| 15:06.15 | casts | i tend to aptitude -R often enough |
| 15:06.40 | Ecco | thanks :-) |
| 15:07.00 | sotmg | When I copy files to any external usb device it becomes slow after some time, the write speed goes down to 1MB/Sec. I searched the internet but couldn't much information about this. can anyone help? the same external usb device works perfectly in Windows. |
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| 15:07.59 | Ecco | sotmg: Is it specific to a given device ? |
| 15:09.19 | sotmg | Ecco, No, almost all external usb flash memories and hard drives acts this way. |
| 15:09.25 | Ecco | Weird |
| 15:09.28 | Ecco | Custom kernel ? |
| 15:09.33 | sotmg | No. |
| 15:10.03 | sotmg | dmesg shows normal message, no errors. |
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| 15:10.14 | Ecco | What hardware are you on ? |
| 15:10.23 | Ecco | I doubt this is Debian-related though |
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| 15:11.01 | sotmg | I have a Thinkpad X200 laptop, the hard drives can be WD, Imation or Seagate.. |
| 15:13.01 | sotmg | I remember this problem from more than 1 year, but what annoys me is that I remember I had some anime which I copied to an external HDD but they are not there now... :( |
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| 15:14.02 | sotmg | Oops, NVM...I just found the animes...but the HDD problem exists. |
| 15:14.07 | Ecco | :-) |
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| 15:16.25 | keinek | hi i wanna do a test ok? |
| 15:16.34 | nemessis545 | ok |
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| 15:16.39 | traductor_online | Empezare a traducir desde ahora |
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| 15:17.01 | keinek | ok... now talk... this is a experiment with apartium |
| 15:17.03 | traductor_online | ok... Ahora charla... Esto es un experimento con apartium |
| 15:17.10 | keinek | apertium* |
| 15:17.11 | traductor_online | apertium* |
| 15:17.30 | keinek | nemessis545: Mmmm nobody talk... |
| 15:17.31 | traductor_online | nemessis545: mmmm nadie habla... |
| 15:17.33 | Ecco | WTF ? |
| 15:17.34 | traductor_online | wtf ? |
| 15:17.41 | Ecco | Dude, kick that thing out :)- |
| 15:17.43 | traductor_online | dude, chut que cosa fuera :)- |
| 15:17.48 | keinek | ok... just a minute. |
| 15:17.50 | traductor_online | ok... Justo un minuto. |
| 15:17.57 | Ecco | Plus the translation is terrible :-D |
| 15:17.58 | traductor_online | plus La traducción es terrible :-d |
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| 15:18.14 | keinek | Mmmm interesting... |
| 15:18.16 | traductor_online | mmmm Interesante... |
| 15:18.19 | nemessis545 | Ecco: you know spanish ? |
| 15:18.20 | babilen | keinek: stop it please |
| 15:18.20 | traductor_online | ecco: Sabes spanish ? |
| 15:18.21 | traductor_online | keinek: Lo para complacer |
| 15:18.34 | Ecco | sure |
| 15:18.39 | keinek | ok... thanks it was just a test. |
| 15:18.39 | Ecco | but please stop that shit |
| 15:18.52 | keinek | but my english es very bad... |
| 15:18.56 | keinek | Mmmm i got a idea. |
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| 15:19.11 | traductor_online | Empezare a traducir desde ahora |
| 15:19.19 | keinek | a ver me pueden entender ahora? |
| 15:19.20 | traductor_online | To see can me understand now? |
| 15:19.38 | dvs | nope |
| 15:19.39 | traductor_online | nope |
| 15:19.39 | Ecco | someone please KB this idiot :-) |
| 15:19.40 | keinek | solo tengo que hacer que esto sea de forma transparente y no molestare a nadie. |
| 15:19.40 | traductor_online | someone please kb this idiot :-) |
| 15:19.41 | traductor_online | Only have to do that this was of transparent form and do not bothered to anybody. |
| 15:19.49 | babilen | keinek: this is not the place for this. You can chat in spanish in #debian-es if you need help with *Debian* problems. |
| 15:19.50 | traductor_online | keinek: this is not the place for this. you can Chat in spanish in #debian-is if you need help with *debian* problems. |
| 15:20.00 | keinek | ok ok |
| 15:20.20 | keinek | but you guys are best that this guys... |
| 15:20.28 | keinek | that guys* |
| 15:20.57 | Ecco | Quick question : I have to machines, let' call 'em A and B |
| 15:21.02 | Ecco | A pings B in ~5ms |
| 15:21.10 | Ecco | but B pings A in ~90ms |
| 15:21.27 | Ecco | (on average) |
| 15:21.31 | Ecco | why such an inconsistency ? |
| 15:21.39 | babilen | hands Ecco a couple of punctuation characters |
| 15:22.06 | babilen | Ecco: Different up/downlink speeds maybe. |
| 15:22.15 | dvs | routing? |
| 15:22.40 | keinek | ok... thanks to all guys! i come back when my translater will ready! |
| 15:22.42 | babilen | mtr and related utilities might be helpful. |
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| 15:25.32 | user0 | is lenny still getting security updates? |
| 15:25.36 | N3T | I have got a problem. When I switch to ttyX screen is black. Odd. My GPU is nvidia geforce 5700 le. |
| 15:25.44 | dvs | user0: yes |
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| 15:26.04 | user0 | great |
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| 15:27.35 | user0 | dvs : any idea until when ? |
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| 15:27.54 | dvs | user0: at least next February |
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| 15:28.48 | user0 | dvs : theres this page on debian.org that shows security holes and if they have been fixed yet or not, cant find atm |
| 15:28.57 | user0 | any idea? |
| 15:29.31 | ansgar | user0: http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/? |
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| 15:30.19 | user0 | thats it , thx |
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| 15:37.33 | eKKiM | Hi, if i boot in emergency mode.. is network enabled? |
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| 15:40.41 | Elench | Is there a version of the install disk that will support a RaLink RT2561/RT61 or do i have to have the firmware on a seperate medium? |
| 15:41.29 | Ecco | Elench: I don't know but the firmware packages are very small |
| 15:41.31 | dvs | Elench: even if you get the firmware, the only encryption the installer supports is WEP |
| 15:41.46 | Elench | Oh, bother |
| 15:41.50 | Elench | That won't work then |
| 15:41.58 | Elench | Thanks anyway |
| 15:42.01 | dvs | np |
| 15:42.19 | eKKiM | Can i boot my debian squeeze in rescue or emergency mode somehow? |
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| 15:42.40 | dvs | eKKiM: recovery mode |
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| 15:44.32 | eKKiM | and how do i boot in recovery mode |
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| 15:44.33 | eKKiM | ? |
| 15:44.45 | dvs | eKKiM: select it in GRUB |
| 15:45.25 | Elench | If i did a minimal install with the firmware, would it support WPA2 after the install? |
| 15:45.38 | dvs | Elench: yes |
| 15:45.41 | eKKiM | dvs: i can't.. it's a dedicated server without KVM |
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| 15:45.52 | Elench | Ah, ok, i'll just do it and hope for the best then |
| 15:45.54 | dvs | eKKiM: man grub-reboot |
| 15:45.57 | eKKiM | and there is only 1 boot option in grub menu |
| 15:46.20 | dvs | eKKiM: grub usually creates entries in pairs |
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| 15:46.55 | eKKiM | dvs: Set the default boot entry for GRUB, for the next boot only. |
| 15:47.01 | eKKiM | i can't even boot my current config.. |
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| 15:47.48 | eKKiM | it probably boots.. but stops somewhere in the boot process before eth0 starts.. |
| 15:48.26 | dvs | eKKiM: then I don't know how you can do it without a network connection and no keyboard and monitor. |
| 15:48.43 | eKKiM | if i enable debug=all |
| 15:48.46 | eKKiM | where are logs written? |
| 15:48.50 | eKKiM | /var/log? |
| 15:48.56 | dvs | yes |
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| 15:50.15 | ndnihil | ugh, no gimv/gimageviewer in squeeze? |
| 15:50.22 | eKKiM | i read someone was suggesting editting the linux line in grub.cfg and add emergency to it |
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| 15:50.39 | eKKiM | will this work? and is networking enabled? |
| 15:50.43 | claint | eKKiM: how are you interacting with the machine anyway? |
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| 15:50.57 | eKKiM | i now booted in some special mode from my hosting provider |
| 15:51.06 | eKKiM | it mounts hdd trough other system.. |
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| 15:51.47 | eKKiM | i think it boots from PXE with their own kernel over NFS.. |
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| 15:54.35 | eKKiM | claint: i can axx my whole filesystem.. but i can't write mbr etc.. |
| 15:58.45 | claint | eKKiM: mount your drives, chroot, fix grub? |
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| 16:06.35 | orplin | hey there! when i start Xephyr with "Xephyr -ac -screen 1280x1024 -br -reset -terminate 2> /dev/null :1 &" how can i start a specific window manager inside that xephyr window then? "DISPLAY=:1 xinit /path/to/wm -- :1 &" somehow won't work... |
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| 16:11.44 | _Dave123_ | What's a good webmail application? an alternative to ispconfig? |
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| 16:12.46 | omes- | _Dave123_: I would say there are none, but you might want to check out roundcube, squrrelmail and horde |
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| 16:13.26 | _Dave123_ | ok thank you |
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| 16:25.55 | regenbogenfuesse | Hi. My repos are adjusted to testing... i made an update last week and noticed that flash-contents (for example flashvideos from youtubee etc. named FlashXX... in /tmp) are not loaded in to /tmp any more ... did an update yesterday and nothing has changed on this issue |
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| 16:26.09 | regenbogenfuesse | ^youtube |
| 16:26.30 | xk | use firefox plugins to download videos |
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| 16:26.44 | regenbogenfuesse | update=upgrade |
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| 16:27.11 | xk | regenbogenfuesse: I use "Easy Youtube Video Downloader" add-on for firefox. works a treat. |
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| 16:27.54 | regenbogenfuesse | xk, i was hoping to prevent installing extra plugins... since the "funktion" still works on my stable version on Laptop |
| 16:28.25 | xk | flash should rot in hell :) |
| 16:28.41 | regenbogenfuesse | lol :-)) |
| 16:28.50 | xk | it's technology that refuses to die... fortunately apple is taking the lead in nailing their coffin. |
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| 16:30.50 | sedulous | regenbogenfuesse: related packaged in debian: youtube-dl (command line downloader), minitube (GUI player / downloader) |
| 16:30.57 | sedulous | s/packaged/packages/ |
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| 16:31.19 | sedulous | (neither program requires flash) |
| 16:31.48 | regenbogenfuesse | yes, i know them as well as clive, abby etc |
| 16:32.16 | Mikaze | Hello. Anyone recall the name of that Mortal Kombat clone? Stoopid thing isn't showing up in a apt-cache search. |
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| 16:36.20 | blackpenguin | Mikaze: there are some, as google will tell you, openmortal to name one (not available in debian repos as it seems though) |
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| 16:37.09 | Mikaze | Great. I just saw it the other day, and once had it installed for the kids, and now it's gone? |
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| 16:38.58 | Mikaze | wonders if Ubuntu has it, because I'm getting real tired of Debian's anal retentiveness. |
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| 16:41.37 | deja_vu | Hi, i'm having some weird font issues like this http://www.myimg.de/?img=fonts29d2f.png in Qt and GTK applications, graphics or xterm don't seem to be affected. Broken characters also change over time. Any hints as to what might cause that? |
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| 16:42.19 | sirtophat | what was that one version of Debian made to be lighter |
| 16:42.31 | Mikaze | Debian-lite |
| 16:42.40 | Mikaze | debian Jr? |
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| 16:42.47 | homie | ,fonts |
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| 16:44.10 | homie | deja_vu: update your fonts ? |
| 16:44.18 | homie | deja_vu: rehash your texmf ? |
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| 16:45.03 | mariok | Hello |
| 16:45.08 | deja_vu | homie: as in 'fc-cache -f'? |
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| 16:45.21 | mariok | I'm trying to setup gvfs-mount on a Server with only console (no Gnome installation) |
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| 16:45.53 | mariok | I installed the following packages: gvfs gvfs-backends gvfs-bin gvfs-fuse |
| 16:45.55 | homie | maybe tex is generating fonts for you on the fly |
| 16:46.21 | mariok | after a "gvfs-mount smb://mydomain;myuser@server/share" I get |
| 16:46.41 | mariok | Error mounting location: volume doesn't implement mount |
| 16:46.42 | LinuxGuy2009 | I'm trying to remember the command to remove all but the base system packages. Is it "aptitude purge ~i ~prequired+ ~pimportant+ ~pstandard+" or is it -i or something? I'm not having any luck with getting it to work. |
| 16:47.05 | deja_vu | mariok: hm, i don't think so, how do i check? |
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| 16:47.24 | mariok | what check? |
| 16:47.26 | mariok | the packages? |
| 16:47.55 | deja_vu | if tex has anything to do with it, because it's mostly DejaVu Sans in a Qt app |
| 16:48.22 | mariok | I did a "aptitude search gvfs" and on all for lines there is a "i" |
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| 16:48.32 | mariok | as first character |
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| 16:49.02 | mariok | the problem is the error message. I don't know what it means |
| 16:49.10 | nsadmin | sounds like they're installed |
| 16:49.25 | homie | dejav_vu: maybe the math backend is not working correctyl ? |
| 16:49.35 | stew | LinuxGuy2009: you could just purge ~poptional and ~pextra |
| 16:49.42 | mariok | I have a client running a whole desktop Installation and the gvfs-mount command (i posted abouve) works there |
| 16:49.55 | mariok | so I think the command has the right syntax |
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| 16:50.18 | LinuxGuy2009 | stew: ok ill try that instead. |
| 16:50.55 | deja_vu | homie: typesetting math works fine, so probably not |
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| 16:51.15 | deja_vu | maybe my video ram is just messed up? |
| 16:51.35 | mariok | deja_vu: do you know how to setup gvfs-mount ? |
| 16:51.55 | deja_vu | mariok: no, i confused you with homie, sorry :/ |
| 16:52.34 | homie | hmm or that yes |
| 16:52.58 | homie | no mariok i really don't know anything about gvfs really |
| 16:53.14 | homie | it's gnome virtual file system |
| 16:53.18 | homie | that's all i know |
| 16:53.37 | homie | it's a container like stuff for all filesystems you have or so |
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| 16:53.40 | homie | or abstraction |
| 16:53.43 | mariok | I need to use it on a server and there I don't want to install the whole gnome environment |
| 16:53.52 | homie | an inteface which amalgamtes them all or so |
| 16:54.01 | mariok | on my desktop installation gvfs-mount works great |
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| 16:55.06 | nsadmin | mariok, lots of times there would be documentation that tells you how to set things up; for mounts, man mount and man 5 fstab. additionally if you get the original source there may be additional documentation that could help you |
| 16:55.44 | mariok | okay I know the fstab and mount things |
| 16:55.50 | nsadmin | !gvfs |
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| 16:56.18 | homie | ,gvfs |
| 16:56.29 | homie | hmmm dpkg seems down |
| 16:56.34 | nsadmin | ok, so what remains is the fs type itself. support might either be in kernel space or user space |
| 16:56.36 | nsadmin | !test |
| 16:56.37 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 16:56.45 | nsadmin | yep, dpkg is down |
| 16:57.13 | mariok | so you mean the file system support is missing? |
| 16:57.24 | nsadmin | it could be |
| 16:57.29 | homie | on the remote side yes |
| 16:57.36 | nsadmin | what I mean is, find out what's there and what' |
| 16:57.40 | nsadmin | s not |
| 16:57.42 | homie | what do you have there ? |
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| 16:57.53 | homie | do you have the gvfs libs ? |
| 16:58.05 | nsadmin | is gvfs good? |
| 16:58.15 | homie | don't know |
| 16:59.03 | mariok | okay, I did a "aptitude install gvfs gvfs-bin gvfs-fuse gvfs-backends" |
| 16:59.10 | homie | i have a running daemon but not sure what it does |
| 16:59.19 | mariok | ^^ maybe the packages are missing some dependencies? |
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| 16:59.44 | nsadmin | if that were the case wouldn't aptitude complain?\ |
| 16:59.48 | mariok | the probme is the error message. It does not say anything usefull fore me. |
| 17:00.00 | homie | what is the error mesage ? |
| 17:00.18 | mariok | Error mounting location: volume doesn't implement mount |
| 17:00.31 | homie | so you need the mount utils |
| 17:00.37 | homie | did you install mount too ? |
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| 17:00.42 | homie | or pmount or so |
| 17:00.45 | simonrvn | um |
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| 17:01.07 | simonrvn | mount is installed ;) |
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| 17:01.13 | mariok | aptitude show mount | grep Stat |
| 17:01.13 | mariok | State: installed |
| 17:01.40 | homie | and how did you configure the volume ? |
| 17:01.42 | simonrvn | Essential: yes |
| 17:01.44 | homie | where does it point to ? |
| 17:01.44 | simonrvn | Priority: required |
| 17:01.48 | homie | what's it's mountpoint ? |
| 17:02.05 | homie | seems like it's not pointing to the right thing rather |
| 17:02.06 | mariok | what do you mean with volume? |
| 17:02.14 | homie | the drive |
| 17:02.26 | mariok | gvfs-mount "smb://mydomain;myuser@myserver/volume" |
| 17:02.29 | mariok | ^^ that? |
| 17:02.49 | xoz | mariok: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=36021 |
| 17:03.35 | simonrvn | mariok: "that" was a command, not the volume per se |
| 17:04.00 | simonrvn | it was you attempt at mounting the volume |
| 17:04.03 | simonrvn | your* |
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| 17:04.49 | mariok | the volume itself is a samba-Share |
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| 17:05.24 | homie | is samba installed remotely too ? |
| 17:05.34 | mariok | xxtjaxx: the link didn't work |
| 17:06.03 | mariok | on the remote side samba is installed and running |
| 17:06.22 | mariok | my client can access the samba share with the gvfs-mount as expected |
| 17:06.29 | simonrvn | i don't know the syntax, so i'm probably talking outta my ass, but is it supposed to be a semi-colon? |
| 17:06.53 | simonrvn | seems unusual to me |
| 17:07.00 | xoz | : |
| 17:07.05 | mariok | simonrvn: that's right |
| 17:07.20 | mariok | the semicolon is between the domain and the username |
| 17:07.33 | simonrvn | ok, just checking. |
| 17:07.35 | simonrvn | ty |
| 17:07.47 | mariok | the command is correct. If I type in the same command on my workstation then it works as expected |
| 17:08.00 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 17:08.03 | mariok | If I type it in on my server, which needs to access the share then it does not work |
| 17:08.04 | homie | http://superuser.com/questions/120873/using-ubuntu-connect-to-server-to-mount-windows-share |
| 17:08.32 | simonrvn | smbclient is installed? |
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| 17:09.16 | homie | http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=42713&start=0 |
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| 17:10.12 | homie | <homie> http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=42713&start=0 [18:09] |
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| 17:10.12 | homie | ERC> <homie> http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=42713&start=0 [18:09] |
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| 17:10.30 | mariok | okay the link says dbus is necessary to use gvfs-mount... |
| 17:10.37 | mariok | ^^^ I didn't know that |
| 17:11.11 | simonrvn | yeh, it needs it to connect for various reasons |
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| 17:11.39 | mariok | so I need a full dbus installation on my server too? |
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| 17:11.49 | mariok | ^^ on the server which needs to connect to the samba share |
| 17:11.50 | simonrvn | no, just minimal |
| 17:12.03 | simonrvn | dbus-daemon |
| 17:12.13 | simonrvn | and maybe some client stuffs |
| 17:12.35 | smacnay | Is nvidia-glx still necessary in deb sid? I see a new libgl1-nvidia-glx file and wonder if it supersedes nvidia-glx? |
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| 17:13.13 | mariok | thanks for the support. I try to get dbus up and running |
| 17:13.15 | mariok | thank you |
| 17:13.20 | simonrvn | !nvidia dkms |
| 17:13.21 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>. |
| 17:13.26 | simonrvn | smacnay: ^^ |
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| 17:14.16 | smacnay | simonrvn, thanks for that - I will go through it carefully. |
| 17:15.04 | simonrvn | apt-cache show nvidia-glx - should tell you if it's a "you can safely remove this package once..." |
| 17:17.32 | homie | eheh |
| 17:17.39 | homie | did the gvfs guy quit ? |
| 17:18.12 | iwontbecreative_ | homie: Yes |
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| 17:18.19 | homie | he should have just googled for "mounting remote share with gvfs" |
| 17:18.20 | tdiso | hi guys. so the current version of wireshark in 10.10 is 1.2.11 but even the old stable is 1.2.14. Is this version safe? I know there have been numerous security problems with this package. I'm migrating from gentoo where things are more updated |
| 17:18.23 | simonrvn | yup |
| 17:18.39 | simonrvn | tdiso: /join #ubuntu |
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| 17:19.08 | tdiso | apologies simonrvn |
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| 17:23.21 | wladston | guys, I just deboostraped a fresh instalation of squeeze. It won't let me install gcc, giving a broken packages error right out of the box. |
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| 17:23.33 | ctp | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.45 | wladston | what could I do to try to fix it ? ( tried the apt-get clen/update/upgrade ) |
| 17:24.09 | abrotman | wladston: you" |
| 17:24.27 | smacnay | !nvidia dkms-96xx |
| 17:24.27 | dpkg | For Squeeze users (GeForce 2/3/4 GPUs supported). Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 17:24.32 | abrotman | wladston: you"'ll have to put more info in a pastebin |
| 17:24.52 | wladston | abrotman: sure, just tell me what's required and I'll paste it :) |
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| 17:26.04 | wladston | abrotman: here is the error : http://pastebin.com/cYC5jNXm |
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| 17:27.12 | homie | what does metal have to do with font ? |
| 17:27.15 | homie | lol |
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| 17:27.19 | homie | oh my |
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| 17:29.56 | smacnay | simonrvn, After doing the nvidia changes, is the nvidia-glx package no longer needed? |
| 17:30.19 | simonrvn | i don't know. check it like i suggested |
| 17:30.43 | smacnay | I will reboot now and see what happens. |
| 17:30.47 | simonrvn | wladston: you sure your machine is updated, and installed updates? |
| 17:30.47 | _Dave123_ | Does anyone know a good webhosting panel like ispconfig that does NOT require to work with the quota debian package? Or a simple tool where i can add a site with ? |
| 17:30.52 | wladston | I'd appreciate ANY help .... I don't know what to do anymore :/ |
| 17:31.13 | xyzp | i want to update vlc, how? |
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| 17:32.16 | simonrvn | hands xyzp a 50kg unix manual |
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| 17:33.58 | kj4_ | i have moved a working install of squeeze from sda1 to sda2 using fsarchiver, then install winXP on sda1. winxp boots, how do i boot into squeeze again to reinstall grub? |
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| 17:34.26 | homie | use a cd |
| 17:34.31 | homie | rescue-mode |
| 17:34.49 | kj4_ | debian cd? |
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| 17:35.21 | homie | select the new volume for your squeeze as the root, then reinstall grub, then in the chroot update grub |
| 17:35.42 | homie | and of course edit fstab etc... |
| 17:36.22 | kj4_ | homie: thanks, any link to the steps req'd to do that |
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| 17:36.59 | homie | any cd, which gives you grub install method and a rescue-mode like thing would be appropriate actually, unless the kernel version is very low and differing from that what you have in your squeeze.... |
| 17:37.46 | homie | i mean if it's a very old cd it may not work |
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| 17:38.19 | homie | hmm, not from memory no i don't have the links, but maybe look in debian.org |
| 17:38.26 | kj4_ | ok. i use systemrescueCD fairly often, but not for this. i believe it has a rescue mode (disk is gentoo based) |
| 17:38.27 | homie | and search for rescue or something |
| 17:38.33 | kj4_ | thanks homie |
| 17:39.02 | homie | would be better if the gentoo cd, was a debian cd actually |
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| 17:39.19 | homie | since the grub version may differ and with it the options it offers etc... |
| 17:39.34 | kj4_ | homie: i figured as much- i'll boot the debian install cd then |
| 17:39.36 | homie | but once you boot into your system, you can then reinstall grub from debian |
| 17:39.42 | homie | and update |
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| 17:39.57 | homie | would be just 2 steps more i think that's all |
| 17:39.57 | datenritter | hi. i just noticed that openoffice's spellchecker works only if hunspell (and a dictionary) is installed. the openoffice-spellcheck-package either has no meaning or dependencies are missing. or did i misconfigure something? |
| 17:40.05 | datenritter | (squeeze that is) |
| 17:40.12 | kj4_ | homie that sounds like safe plan |
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| 17:40.57 | datenritter | actually i have no candidate for openoffice.org-spellcheck-de-de |
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| 17:44.01 | themill | wladston: try using aptitude instead of apt-get. |
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| 17:46.30 | wladston | themill: humm ... it says this "Leave the following dependencies unresolved: gcc-4.4 recommends libc6-dev (>= 2.5) // gcc recommends libc6-dev | libc-dev " |
| 17:46.34 | wladston | ? |
| 17:46.49 | wladston | themill: will those dependencies harm the system ? |
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| 17:47.13 | wladston | themill: ( I never had to deal with those broken packages things :/ ) |
| 17:47.19 | valdyn | wladston: those packages are used for compiling software, not for running your system |
| 17:47.30 | Guest78848 | on gnome with squeeze, how can I edit my servers I added in the "places" menu? "edit menus" doesnot allow me to select places. |
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| 17:47.35 | valdyn | wladston: so in that sense they cannot break your system |
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| 17:47.58 | wladston | valdyn: but I plan to compile the kernel afterwards |
| 17:48.07 | datenritter | hmm, the ooo-l10n-package's description tells me to install myspell (or whatever). not very obvious... |
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| 17:48.38 | valdyn | wladston: the kernel is an exception in that it does not depend on any lib*-dev |
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| 17:49.03 | valdyn | wladston: but you still want to get your dependency problem sorted out at some point |
| 17:49.18 | wladston | valdyn : great. since I'll be leaving ubuntu and start using debian from now on ... could you help me avoid getting these problems ? |
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| 17:49.41 | wladston | valdyn : I remember that constant problems with broken packages was the reason I moved to ubuntu some years ago |
| 17:49.43 | valdyn | wladston: you dont get these problems on a proper debian or ubuntu systems |
| 17:50.04 | valdyn | wladston: that means that *you* broke it |
| 17:50.06 | themill | wladston: have you run an "apt-get update" recently? Can you pastebin the output of "apt-get update" and then the full output of that aptitude run |
| 17:50.10 | wladston | valdyn : but i just deboostraped this debian install, it gave me this issue right out of the box |
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| 17:50.24 | valdyn | wladston: apt-get -f install |
| 17:50.25 | smacnay | simonrvn, I rebooted but I don't think the actual nouveau driver is in place because I am still able to run accel ganes and the nouveau driver does not support that. |
| 17:50.27 | wladston | themill: sure |
| 17:50.48 | valdyn | wladston: ignore me, themill will figure this out just fine |
| 17:50.50 | smacnay | simonrvn, I guess I could change the xorg driver to nouveau (install that first) and see how it runs. |
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| 17:51.36 | smacnay | simonrvn, I also think that this nouveau driver is holding up a bunch of updates in sid. |
| 17:51.38 | wladston | valdyn : ;) |
| 17:53.03 | wladston | themill: apt-get update : http://pastebin.com/pncpLuZ9 // aptitude run : http://pastebin.com/LiL0kq6k |
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| 17:54.38 | themill | wladston: you appear to have a mixture of squeeze and wheezy there |
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| 17:55.53 | wladston | themill: hummm ... since I'm new to debian, it's possible I might have confused squeeze and wheezy when doing my deboostrap :/ |
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| 17:56.17 | wladston | I'll try changing my sources to wheezy, see if it helps |
| 17:56.28 | themill | wladston: indeed. (wheezy or sid; I can't actually tell that from the output that is there). You might be able to downgrade to squeeze "/msg dpkg partial downgrade" |
| 17:56.45 | themill | wladston: you probably don't want to be running wheezy right now,.... not if you're new to debian. |
| 17:57.20 | wladston | themill: thanks for the help!!! saved me some hours :) |
| 17:57.28 | wladston | themill: will try to downgrade now |
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| 17:57.50 | kj4_ | home: thanks! the xfce/lxde install disk even had a graphical mode that worked fine. thanks for your help |
| 17:58.28 | wladston | themill: I think I'll just get out of the chroot and deboostrap again |
| 17:58.40 | wladston | themill: since I'm all new to this |
| 17:58.47 | themill | wladston: that might be simpler, yes. |
| 17:59.04 | wladston | themill: cool. really, THANKS a lot man!!! |
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| 17:59.44 | wladston | themill: debootstrap --arch powerpc squeeze /mnt/ http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ --> woohoo :) |
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| 18:02.53 | rgr_ | I have a apache webdav set up. I can connect from Gnome "places". I can see the remote password.dav file. BUt its not letting me create any folders or copy over files. Where are the permissions for this? |
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| 18:04.32 | mariok | good evening |
| 18:04.52 | mariok | I had the gvfs-mount problem. I solved it. |
| 18:04.54 | mariok | 1) reboot |
| 18:05.17 | mariok | 2) dbus-launch gvfs-mount "smb://mydomain;myuser@myhost/myshare" |
| 18:05.21 | mariok | that's it |
| 18:05.33 | mariok | thank you for your support again |
| 18:05.43 | GPenguin | :) |
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| 18:06.11 | mariok | I don't know why but a reboot solved the problem. |
| 18:06.17 | mariok | good bye |
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| 18:06.51 | GPenguin | "have you tried turning it off and then back on" |
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| 18:14.40 | variable | is there a way to get detailed segfaults. ie segfault (memory out of range) or segfault (writing to read-only section) instead of just segfault (core dumped) |
| 18:15.02 | petemc | gdb |
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| 18:16.04 | roe | is there some sort of 'report' I can get from dpkg/apt/aptitude that will list for me the packages that were installed *after* the base install? |
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| 18:23.10 | milamber | !clone |
| 18:23.10 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
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| 18:24.46 | smacnay | Will nvidia-glx continue to be updated in sid or is going to be dropped for nouveau in the future? |
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| 18:25.08 | themill | roe: you can ask aptitude for everything that is installed that is not part of the base install set: aptitude search ~poptional~i ~pextra~i |
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| 18:28.08 | roe | themill, thanks |
| 18:33.40 | johnny- | http://blog.feenode.net/?p=1081 <-- is this true? #debian is moving off freenode? |
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| 18:34.20 | dvs | johnny-: already has |
| 18:34.44 | wladston | wow |
| 18:34.46 | johnny- | saying everything else is moving |
| 18:34.50 | johnny- | would be sad to see that |
| 18:35.03 | wladston | where is the new #debian ? |
| 18:35.03 | valdyn | smacnay: that is not how it works in debian. Packages are maintained as long someone wants to |
| 18:35.20 | dvs | johnny-: this is the unofficial channel |
| 18:35.25 | KB1JWQ | johnny-: Don't spam that link please. |
| 18:35.53 | johnny- | why? you don't want people know #debian has moved? |
| 18:35.56 | petemc | !ops johnny- malware link |
| 18:35.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: petemc complains about: johnny- malware link |
| 18:36.06 | johnny- | seems like freenode wants to maintain the illusion that #debian is still here |
| 18:36.13 | johnny- | !ops my good name is being maligned |
| 18:36.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: johnny- complains about: my good name is being maligned |
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| 18:36.44 | KB1JWQ | themill: Sorry, I'm on crappy confrerence wireless. Didn't see you were here. :-) |
| 18:37.05 | themill | KB1JWQ: no worries. dns resolution was rather slow here too.... |
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| 18:38.19 | pistolpete | themill: johnny was just kicked from emacs also. |
| 18:39.11 | dvs | causes choas before the dns kicks in |
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| 18:40.07 | Makuew | Can someone tell me a random number between 1 and 10? |
| 18:40.42 | homie | 5 |
| 18:40.48 | gnugr | 11 |
| 18:40.54 | Makuew | Thanks homie |
| 18:40.54 | Raptors | Is there any multithreaded archiving tool on linux? |
| 18:41.02 | Raptors | (unrar, unzip, tar etc) |
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| 18:42.27 | cahoot | file-roller? |
| 18:42.36 | phaidros | I am looking for /usr/bin/rst2html.py without success in the squeeze repositories. anyone a hint, where it hides? |
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| 18:43.41 | Raptors | cahoot, file roller isn't using all 4 of my cores |
| 18:43.43 | robblesz | Raptors: http://blogs.sun.com/VirtualGuru/entry/techtip_possible_savings_from_smp |
| 18:43.49 | Raptors | it's barely even using any of my CU |
| 18:43.50 | Raptors | CPU |
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| 18:44.11 | Arrowmaster` | Raptors: bz2 has a multithreaded version i think, not sure if its official or not |
| 18:44.19 | danilom | hi, i have a debian server with 2 nics eth1 in a ADSL modem, and eth0 to a local lan, is possible to assign the ip(public) that offer the adsl modem to a specific pc in the local lan? |
| 18:44.26 | valdyn | Raptors: so why would it need to be multithreading if it "barely uses any" ? |
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| 18:44.47 | Raptors | Well I want it to use most my CPU |
| 18:44.48 | valdyn | Raptors: theres pbzip2, but for gzip theres probably no point |
| 18:44.51 | Raptors | so it gets done faster |
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| 18:45.02 | valdyn | Raptors: its not even using one you said |
| 18:45.09 | Raptors | I need multithreading on unrar :| |
| 18:45.16 | phaidros | ok, it is named /usr/bin/rst2html, without .py .. *sigh* |
| 18:45.17 | phaidros | :) |
| 18:45.41 | valdyn | Raptors: multithreading only makes it faster if its limited by your cpu |
| 18:46.07 | Raptors | My CPU isn't that fast so it could be the case |
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| 18:46.29 | Raptors | Phenom 9850 black (no OC quad) |
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| 18:46.35 | Jemt | Hello guys. I'm trying to open Port 80 on my box, but nmap doesn't diplay it. What's wrong? iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT |
| 18:46.36 | valdyn | Raptors: no it couldnt be the case if it "barely uses one core" as you just said |
| 18:46.47 | Jemt | nmap <myip> doesn't display port 80 |
| 18:46.55 | Raptors | Is there a way to force it to use most my CPU? |
| 18:47.26 | woonix | Jemt: Do you set all of your rules from a script, or are you just typing them all out on the command line? |
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| 18:47.38 | Jemt | woonix: The latter |
| 18:47.39 | valdyn | Raptors: get faster harddisks |
| 18:48.12 | Jemt | woonix: I need to dynamically open and close ports - I don't want the changes to be permanent |
| 18:48.17 | woonix | Jemt: Do you have a rule that explicitly drops incoming connections? |
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| 18:48.40 | Jemt | woonix: Hm, perhaps, not sure - didn't think of that. I'll look into it. Thanks :) |
| 18:48.57 | lewis22 | Trying to run a 32-bit app (sc_serv) on Debian Squeeze amd64. I have ia32-libs installed, but am getting a segmentation fault. Any ideas? |
| 18:49.04 | woonix | Jemt: The reason I asked, is because if there is then it's hitting that rule before it gets to the ACCEPT rule that you just recently added. |
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| 18:49.24 | woonix | Jemt: One trick you can try right now is that instead of doing -A INPUT (to append) you do -I INPUT (to insert at the beginning of the chain). |
| 18:49.26 | Jemt | woonix: Makes sense since I append it :) |
| 18:49.27 | lewis22 | I did an strace, and the last line before seg fault is: set_thread_area(0xffbe6ffc) = 0 |
| 18:49.38 | Jemt | woonix: I'll try that, hang on :) |
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| 18:50.53 | Jemt | woonix: Hm, nope - didn't do the trick either. I'll look into my configuration |
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| 18:51.45 | woonix | Jemt: You could also check the more obvious thing... that you actually have a service listening on that port and it isn't shut down for some reason. |
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| 18:52.27 | Jemt | woonix: Oh, I don't have a service listening... I thought nmap would detect open ports without open services - but that doesn't make sense - what should it connect to... |
| 18:52.39 | Jemt | woonix: Thanks for pointing that out :) |
| 18:53.18 | romel | hi guys. i got package inproperly removed so it stays with rH status and apt-get is trying to remove it every time I am trying to install some package. How to workaround this situation? |
| 18:53.29 | lewis22 | anyone? |
| 18:53.51 | romel | *improperly |
| 18:54.12 | wladston | lewis22: I'm on a ppc box here :P |
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| 18:54.47 | lewis22 | wladston: not sure what you mean |
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| 18:55.21 | wladston | lewis22: just that I'm not skilled on amd boxes enought to help :/ |
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| 18:57.31 | woonix | Jemt: It's always good to ask the "Is it pugged in?" type of questions when troubleshooting. You never know :) |
| 18:57.36 | woonix | plugged* |
| 18:57.47 | Jemt | nods :-) |
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| 19:03.09 | woonix | romel: You could try apt-get --fix-broken |
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| 19:03.28 | chekist | hi! |
| 19:03.31 | ruediger_ | Hello |
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| 19:03.58 | woonix | romel: There are other suggestions here: http://blog.bodhizazen.net/linux/apt-get-how-to-fix-very-broken-packages/ |
| 19:04.33 | wladston | themill: kernel is already compiling here .... time 4 some coffee :) |
| 19:04.51 | chekist | How are you doing? you whence? |
| 19:04.56 | chekist | There is who from Russia? |
| 19:05.17 | wertik_rus | i'm |
| 19:05.31 | romel | woonix: thanks a lot. That was a grsec-related problem (by default it's restricted to run grub-probe and such stuff needed by installation/deinstallation process of linux-image) |
| 19:05.33 | chekist | çäà ðîâà )) |
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| 19:05.44 | stew | !ru |
| 19:05.44 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here. |
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| 19:08.56 | danilom | is possible to use eth0 and eth0:0 in the same NIC and both using dhcp? |
| 19:09.41 | woonix | ruediger_: So... do you not have the bigmem kernel installed on Squeeze? |
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| 19:10.25 | woonix | apt-get install linux-image-686-bigmem |
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| 19:13.05 | valdyn | danilom: to what end? |
| 19:13.38 | danilom | valdyn, so i have connected th eth1 to adsl router, i want another public ip |
| 19:14.03 | valdyn | danilom: you dont need an ip for that |
| 19:14.16 | danilom | valdyn, so i edit /etc/network/interfaces and add eth1:0 |
| 19:14.43 | valdyn | danilom: the public ip is on the dsl router |
| 19:14.47 | danilom | valdyn, explain me.. |
| 19:14.57 | valdyn | danilom: where would the 2nd "public ip" face the internet? |
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| 19:15.23 | danilom | valdyn, ok, the "adsl router" give me 16 public ip |
| 19:15.34 | danilom | valdyn http://www.cantv.com.ve/seccion.asp?pid=1&sid=1377 |
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| 19:15.56 | danilom | valdyn, if i connect it to a switch i can plug 16 pc on each port |
| 19:16.44 | valdyn | danilom: i dont think you can use dhcp for that |
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| 19:17.55 | valdyn | danilom: nevermind, im wrong |
| 19:18.11 | valdyn | danilom: its pretty straightforward too, as long as you have a proper dhcp server |
| 19:18.13 | danilom | valdyn, i only want other public ip that offer my adsl |
| 19:18.31 | danilom | valdyn, already have one in eth1 |
| 19:18.49 | valdyn | danilom: http://www.kclug.org/pipermail/kclug/2004-June/022946.html |
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| 19:21.11 | cmyers | hypothetical question: Let's say I have an open-source project which I know contains art and stuff which some company could claim copyright and trademark on, but the project guys release it under a BSD-like "do whatevs" sort of license. So I guess, the code is fine, but the art might not be if the company decided to be dickish. Could that go in non-free, or is it inappropriate for debian at all? |
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| 19:22.17 | danilom | valdyn, i can set eth1:0 (a virtaul interface) to use dhcp to receive a ip (iface eth1:0 inet dhcp) |
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| 19:25.02 | LinuxGuy2009 | Something has changed or something with the new squeeze. I used to be able to use "aptitude purge ~pimportant+ ~prequired+ ~pstandard+" to strip everything but the base system on lenny. I also tried "aptitude purge ~pextra ~poptional" and neither seem to work in squeeze. Is there some new way of doing this or way of typing it that I dont know of? Only thing that I have changed on the system since I used to use lenny was that I installed |
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| 19:26.07 | LinuxGuy2009 | I am doing this on an offline machine with the 8 dvd repo set. |
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| 19:35.12 | jhutchins | LinuxGuy2009: You could consult the changelog for aptitude, and possibly the README files. |
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| 19:48.42 | xoxota | Do you have a link for that windows's debian installer that used to be at goodbye-microsoft.com? |
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| 19:50.16 | fbs | is there a way to let apt show the license on a pacakge? |
| 19:51.10 | homie | does ktorrent strip off file metadata ? |
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| 19:51.36 | homie | i got some pdf's but they are describe as data rather than a pdf |
| 19:51.59 | homie | and the viewer won't open them, cause they lack the proper %PDF - header |
| 19:52.04 | homie | lol |
| 19:52.11 | osunix | hi |
| 19:52.11 | homie | oh man |
| 19:52.15 | xoxota | hurr durr, it was hidden :/ http://goodbye-microsoft.com/pub/debian.exe in case somebody else asks |
| 19:52.18 | osunix | I have a question |
| 19:53.03 | osunix | this debian-6.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso version of debian is for 32 and 64 bit? |
| 19:53.21 | fbs | for 64bit |
| 19:53.22 | osunix | means my 32bit and 64bit programs can run on that? |
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| 19:55.15 | jhutchins | xoxota: I think it's mentioned in the install guide. |
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| 19:56.12 | jhutchins | osunix: Most software is still 32 bit, but recompiled to run on amd64. Good code can be compiled for multiple architectures without changing the code. |
| 19:56.39 | jhutchins | osunix: Some programs can be compiled to run on either. |
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| 19:56.53 | jhutchins | osunix: Was there a particular program you were worried about? |
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| 19:57.56 | osunix | <jhutchins>: Yes |
| 19:58.01 | pinkisntwell | ever since i installed squeeze i get intermittent internet access. hopefully it will keep working long enough for me to communicate my problem here |
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| 19:58.11 | osunix | I use xvidcap on debian 32bit |
| 19:58.32 | osunix | and 64bit linux have not good flashplayer! |
| 19:58.33 | jhutchins | ,versions xvidcap -arch=amd64 |
| 19:58.34 | judd | (versions <pattern> [--arch <i386>] [--release <squeeze>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and i386 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages. |
| 19:58.53 | jhutchins | ,versions xvidcap --arch amd64 |
| 19:58.55 | judd | Package xvidcap on amd64 -- sid-multimedia: 1.1.7-0.6; squeeze-multimedia: 1.1.7-0.6; wheezy-multimedia: 1.1.7-0.6 |
| 19:59.14 | osunix | do you have a link for downlaod? |
| 19:59.32 | jhutchins | osunix: Some programs like Adobe's 32b flash player can be run if you install the 32b libraries. |
| 19:59.36 | jhutchins | osunix: Use apt. |
| 19:59.47 | jhutchins | !tell osunix about dmm |
| 19:59.56 | osunix | sudo apt-get install xvidcap? |
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| 20:01.48 | osunix | Thanks a lot!! :D |
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| 20:02.53 | ivan-kanis | how can i tell exim4 to flush message faster? Back in 4.0 it was instanteneous... |
| 20:03.14 | overclocker | hi, anyone know if i could run ecc certs in apache, i'm using squeeze |
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| 20:09.31 | c3l | my screens shut down after about 10-15 minutes of inactivity, this happens regardless of my configurations in my WM (xfce). how can I configure this? |
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| 20:10.16 | dvs | bios? |
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| 20:12.36 | c3l | that'd be strange, I havent made any changes to bios, and I had no problems like this with the last OS that was installed - ubuntu 10.04 |
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| 20:17.06 | homie | does anyone of you get "not a torrent or torrent file is corrupt on any torrent" from ktorrent ? |
| 20:18.06 | dvs | homie: I just did with kget |
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| 20:18.23 | homie | not working either |
| 20:18.35 | homie | same message |
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| 20:28.47 | thewanderer1 | guys, how do I attach to another user's session without screen being setuid root? |
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| 20:30.13 | babilen | thewanderer1: attach as the user? |
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| 20:31.02 | thewanderer1 | er, sure... but... couldn't I just give another user a look at my screen by giving them socket permissions? |
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| 20:31.37 | thewanderer1 | at present, screen seems to require SUID root explicitly... by displaying an error message if it's not |
| 20:32.27 | babilen | thewanderer1: http://aperiodic.net/screen/multiuser seems to discuss this |
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| 20:33.25 | thewanderer1 | sounds awful... screen having root permissions might not possibly be a good thing |
| 20:33.49 | babilen | agreed |
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| 20:38.19 | cusco_ | hi |
| 20:38.22 | cusco_ | I need help... |
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| 20:38.52 | cusco_ | uuid of md0 changed and grub drops to initramfs.... |
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| 20:39.05 | cusco_ | I cam boot debian installer, mount md0 and chroot into it |
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| 20:39.22 | babilen | thewanderer1: You might want to take a look at tmux. |
| 20:39.39 | cusco_ | I checked trough mdadm --details (or so..) and got the new uuid, tried to set it on grub.cfg but still failed |
| 20:39.53 | cusco_ | update-grub fails on grub-probe |
| 20:40.08 | thewanderer1 | babilen: hey thanks, that's what I was looking for! |
| 20:40.19 | cusco_ | what can I do? |
| 20:40.40 | babilen | thewanderer1: It gives sockets in /var/run/tmux -- I would ask in #tmux for further instructions |
| 20:41.24 | macrobat_ | c3l: DPMS, ACPI or an old ~/.xscreensaver? |
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| 20:48.48 | D-HUND | "xset s off ; xset dpms 0 0 0" disables the xserver part that might be involved to this |
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| 20:49.06 | c3l | macrobat_: ooh, I do have a .xscreensaver, I never installed this. is there some strange preconfigured screensaver on squeeze by default? |
| 20:50.05 | macrobat_ | idk, might be a dependency, run xscreensaver-demo to conf it |
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| 20:54.49 | Stefunel | Guys, I would like to port my root partition to a ssd that currently has windows on it. How do I reset it? hdparm -I? Is reseting, formatting, copying the files to it, updating fstab and grub sufficient? Is trim supported by default in squeeze? Thanks! |
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| 20:58.01 | qwd | Stefunel: I don't think trim is supported. I remember someone else asking about it and I think it was in a kernel version later than what's in Squeeze, but look it up to be sure. |
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| 20:59.09 | Stefunel | thanks qwd |
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| 21:00.07 | paq | if you install a plugin for chrome, where can you find it in the directory? |
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| 21:08.30 | sharp15 | is there a way to control service start order? i.e. make sshd start before ejaberd |
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| 21:10.30 | dollan | hey, how do i show my debian version? squeeze, lenny, sid...? |
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| 21:11.20 | yanu_ | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:12.12 | dollan | yanu_: it shows squeeze/sid - is that because i have upgraded to sid? |
| 21:12.42 | cusco_ | maybe not, what do you have in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 21:13.06 | yanu_ | there are reps of both in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:13.09 | cusco_ | deb http/bla <dist-here> bla |
| 21:13.29 | cusco_ | well, sid superseeds testing |
| 21:13.39 | cusco_ | comment out sid, if you don't want to use it |
| 21:14.08 | dollan | well, there is mainly "lenny" in sources.list |
| 21:14.31 | cusco_ | mainly ? |
| 21:14.44 | cusco_ | what else is there? |
| 21:14.50 | dollan | nothing else |
| 21:14.56 | dollan | only lenny and lenny-backporst... |
| 21:15.00 | cusco_ | ok |
| 21:15.22 | cusco_ | should you upgrade to squeeze ask dpkg for lenny->squeeze |
| 21:15.22 | dollan | and lenny/updates, but that should be ok... |
| 21:15.25 | cusco_ | yep |
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| 21:15.31 | cusco_ | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 21:15.31 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <squeeze release notes>. |
| 21:15.47 | dollan | but i would like to run sid... |
| 21:16.29 | cusco_ | ow.. |
| 21:16.39 | cusco_ | replace 'lenny' with 'sid' |
| 21:16.45 | cusco_ | but its not recommended |
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| 21:17.01 | cusco_ | you must be aware that your box *will* break at some (several) points |
| 21:17.04 | dollan | and then run apt-get upgrade? |
| 21:17.11 | dollan | and why not recommended? |
| 21:17.17 | jmarsden | !sid |
| 21:17.17 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 21:17.48 | latsni | dollan: why do you want to use sid? |
| 21:18.08 | jmarsden | dollan: Note the fourth sentence from the factoid above: that is why it is not recommended :) |
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| 21:18.59 | dollan | ok, i would just like to be able to install awesome wm version 3 as comfortable as possible... |
| 21:19.44 | Bushmills | ,versions awesome |
| 21:19.51 | judd | Package awesome on i386 -- lenny: 2.3.3-1; squeeze: 3.4.6-1; sid: 3.4.9-1; wheezy: 3.4.9-1 |
| 21:20.08 | Bushmills | stable is fine for awesome v3.x |
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| 21:21.16 | Bushmills | !lenny |
| 21:21.17 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-15 and superseded by Squeeze as of 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 . Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>, <lenny release notes>, <install lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.8>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
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| 21:42.42 | *** topic/#debian is squeeze (6.0) released; /msg dpkg squeeze ; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze | /msg dpkg new website | lenny (5.0.8) /msg dpkg 5.0.8 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | FAQ: http://bit.ly/DebFAQ | channel logs: http://bit.ly/DebFNDLog |
| 21:42.54 | valdyn | ws2k3: your actual terminal is owned by your current user |
| 21:43.13 | valdyn | ws2k3: the one you changed to www-data from, thats why you cannot screen -R |
| 21:43.34 | dougmencken | okay, is there any package maintainers? |
| 21:43.34 | ws2k3 | valdyn sorry i dont understand |
| 21:43.40 | ws2k3 | my english is not that good. |
| 21:43.55 | latsni | _stefanos_: wheezy is testing .. |
| 21:44.07 | latsni | !testing |
| 21:44.07 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <wheezy>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <squeeze->wheezy> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 21:44.07 | valdyn | ws2k3: your current pts is not owned by www-data but by the user you changed to www-data from |
| 21:44.08 | _stefanos_ | yeah man i know |
| 21:44.15 | _stefanos_ | but it's stable enough to work |
| 21:44.19 | dougmencken | I need 'file' maintainer |
| 21:44.23 | ws2k3 | aaaaah ok |
| 21:44.31 | ws2k3 | i have logged in as root |
| 21:44.35 | ws2k3 | and then change to user www-data |
| 21:44.41 | valdyn | ws2k3: how did you change id though? |
| 21:44.53 | ws2k3 | login as root. su www-data |
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| 21:46.27 | ws2k3 | valdyn how can i solve this? |
| 21:46.44 | valdyn | ws2k3: as root, type "login www-data" |
| 21:47.10 | valdyn | ws2k3: that works, but only if www-data has a password and a shell |
| 21:47.51 | ws2k3 | valdyn i dont know the password |
| 21:48.10 | valdyn | ws2k3: most probably theres no valid password |
| 21:48.11 | latsni | _stefanos_: yeah its stable enough but you see there could be some depends problems of packages .. |
| 21:48.19 | ws2k3 | it a default debian install with apache2 installed. how can i set a password for www-data and give it shell access? |
| 21:48.19 | _stefanos_ | hmm |
| 21:48.20 | valdyn | ws2k3: and thats how it should be , so you cannot login |
| 21:48.28 | _stefanos_ | ok i will wait for it a bit then ;) |
| 21:48.30 | _stefanos_ | cheers |
| 21:48.47 | simonrvn | ws2k3: you don't. you don't need this |
| 21:49.00 | dougmencken | how I can contact the package maintainer? |
| 21:49.03 | valdyn | ws2k3: i dont know a good solution to this, maybe screen has one |
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| 21:49.22 | valdyn | ws2k3: changing permissions on the pty works too, but thats not good either |
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| 21:49.29 | ws2k3 | yeah i know |
| 21:49.32 | ws2k3 | and its gone at reboot. |
| 21:49.44 | ws2k3 | then i have to change the richt again |
| 21:49.53 | valdyn | *I* would not run anything under screen as www-data, but thats probably just me |
| 21:50.12 | ws2k3 | maby there is another way to get what i would like can i nog type a command in the screen session |
| 21:50.17 | ws2k3 | get recieve the output ? |
| 21:50.28 | valdyn | ws2k3: log files |
| 21:50.28 | uoods | yeah, why are you doing this? Why not just su to the user and reattach toscreen? |
| 21:50.38 | valdyn | uoods: because that doesnt work |
| 21:50.49 | simonrvn | or better yet, tell us what you're trying to do |
| 21:50.51 | ws2k3 | valdyn how u mean |
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| 21:50.59 | ws2k3 | simonrvs |
| 21:51.09 | valdyn | simonrvn: he wants to attach to a screen session that is running as www-data |
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| 21:51.15 | ws2k3 | i have a webserver with some php scripts and they start a proceses |
| 21:51.29 | ws2k3 | inside screen so its easy to manage and kill some proceses. |
| 21:51.47 | simonrvn | that's not what i mean |
| 21:52.00 | valdyn | ws2k3: debian uses daemon-tools for this, not screen |
| 21:52.09 | uoods | valdyn: ok I missed that part, I thought he wanted to reattach to a screen session running by a different user while he's www-data |
| 21:52.16 | valdyn | ws2k3: and output is logged in log files |
| 21:52.21 | simonrvn | why do you have to kill them? there's something wrong with them if you feel a need to do that. |
| 21:52.25 | valdyn | uoods: that wouldnt work either |
| 21:52.35 | valdyn | uoods: screen needs access permissions to the underlying tty |
| 21:52.49 | simonrvn | i'm trying to get at the core issue here, not bandaid over it |
| 21:52.57 | uoods | i see |
| 21:53.01 | ws2k3 | the proces is a hosting service |
| 21:53.08 | ws2k3 | that i offer for free to people. |
| 21:53.10 | valdyn | simonrvn: the core issue is that he is not using proper init scripts but his screen bandaid |
| 21:53.28 | simonrvn | well, that too |
| 21:53.30 | ws2k3 | true the website interface they can start there own service |
| 21:53.47 | ws2k3 | when they abuse rules i sometimes need to kill the proces but that works fine |
| 21:54.06 | latsni | _stefanos_: maybe you should remove lenny in the /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 21:54.20 | simonrvn | he needs to fix his script or tweak the php daemon so it dies after so many requests |
| 21:54.25 | _stefanos_ | there's no lenny there i can assure you |
| 21:54.48 | latsni | _stefanos_: the lenny version of vlc is higher then the version of wheezy |
| 21:54.52 | simonrvn | ws2k3: put some limits on it |
| 21:54.59 | valdyn | judd: versions vlc |
| 21:55.00 | judd | Package vlc on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2.3; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze2; wheezy: 1.1.3-1squeeze2; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze3; sid: 1.1.7-2 |
| 21:55.13 | valdyn | latsni: lies |
| 21:55.20 | _stefanos_ | ;) |
| 21:55.39 | valdyn | latsni: youre right, including security it is |
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| 21:56.03 | simonrvn | er? |
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| 21:56.20 | valdyn | latsni: nvm, ignore that |
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| 21:56.40 | _stefanos_ | anyway guys, it's time for me to go. Thanks a million for your valuable help and we will talk tomorrow. |
| 21:56.48 | valdyn | latsni: squeeze can be higher than wheezy, but as you can see lenny is much lower |
| 21:56.50 | simonrvn | i was gonna tell you to get your glasses checked :P |
| 21:56.57 | valdyn | hehe |
| 21:57.07 | simonrvn | *g* |
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| 22:01.07 | latsni | valdyn: i mean squeeze, not lenny cause _stefanon_ upgrade from squeeze to wheezy .. |
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| 22:08.55 | sharp15 | can the squeeze init system handle boot order control that isn't depdendency based? this isn't a dependency problem. |
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| 22:09.33 | moritz_ | on an amd64 Debian/Squeeze I get "mplayer: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: undefined symbol: _nv000027gl" when running mplayer - any idea what's wrong, and how to fix it? |
| 22:09.54 | Agiofws | hello |
| 22:10.02 | Agiofws | i am trying to set up a ddns client but i don't know what the config file wants in the host section and the iface section |
| 22:10.10 | Agiofws | http://imagebin.org/140248 |
| 22:10.16 | Agiofws | ^^ |
| 22:10.17 | Agiofws | ? |
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| 22:15.05 | atan | I want to install Debian in VirtualBox on Windows 7 x64. Should I download the ia64 release, or the i386? |
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| 22:17.48 | Agiofws | has anyone vere set up a ddns command line client before ? |
| 22:17.55 | nsadmin | atan chances are really really good you don't have an itanium... so no ia64 |
| 22:18.23 | atan | nsadmin, thank you. I wasn't sure what the ia was.. I guess it's not the same as x64! :D |
| 22:18.30 | luke-jr | atan: neither |
| 22:18.43 | luke-jr | atan: there is no x64, it's called amd64 or x86-64 |
| 22:19.16 | atan | Hmm. This computer is am AMD Phemom or something |
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| 22:19.21 | luke-jr | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 22:19.24 | nsadmin | the latter two are the same thing |
| 22:19.32 | luke-jr | yeah |
| 22:19.34 | luke-jr | amd64 = x86-64 |
| 22:19.39 | atan | One is intel, the other ADM I take it? |
| 22:19.43 | atan | err, AMD :D |
| 22:19.45 | luke-jr | no |
| 22:19.53 | luke-jr | they're 2 names for the same thing |
| 22:20.00 | luke-jr | the 64-bit support was created by AMD |
| 22:20.07 | luke-jr | even though Intel has since adopted it |
| 22:20.10 | nsadmin | amd64 predates x8664, the latter is intel's name for it |
| 22:20.26 | nsadmin | yeah what he said |
| 22:20.27 | luke-jr | nsadmin: AMD originally called it x86-64 too IIRC |
| 22:20.36 | luke-jr | they only changed when Windows started callign it amd64 |
| 22:21.09 | nsadmin | interesting... so they took credit only when microsoft gave it to them... |
| 22:21.35 | luke-jr | IMO, it was probably that x86-64 sounds more "official" |
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| 22:21.52 | luke-jr | and then later decided amd64 was better, since it was already successful |
| 22:22.07 | luke-jr | so x86-64 to help gain success, but amd64 once they had it :P |
| 22:22.29 | nsadmin | but either way, you probably have what's called amd64, so you can get that (you'll have therefore 64bit-compiled user programs (like cat, grep, xterm, xchat) |
| 22:22.38 | luke-jr | happened to be at the original debut at LinuxWorldExpo :P |
| 22:22.42 | luke-jr | and an early adopter |
| 22:23.06 | luke-jr | until last month I moved back to 32-bit :P |
| 22:23.06 | nsadmin | I don['t remember if I went to that one |
| 22:23.26 | luke-jr | (because I value my memory more than my CPU time) |
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| 22:24.04 | nsadmin | and for a lot of jobs you don't save much time even if you take much less cpu time |
| 22:24.38 | luke-jr | the only performance sensitive stuff I have (games + mining) use the GPU :P |
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| 22:41.25 | phaidros | is there any plan to have php-fpm in squeeze ? |
| 22:41.43 | phaidros | since php 5.3.3 it is usually included, but I cant see it in the squeeze repos o.O |
| 22:41.50 | overclocker | hi, anyone know if i could run ecc certs in apache, i'm using squeeze |
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| 22:44.39 | hulatang | is there a 's' command in debian from any packages? |
| 22:44.59 | hulatang | I'm trying to build a package, and get make[2]: s: Command not found |
| 22:45.17 | simonrvn | ,find bin/s |
| 22:45.36 | simonrvn | i bet it's the makefile |
| 22:46.01 | simonrvn | phaidros: no |
| 22:46.27 | simonrvn | phaidros: squeeze is already released |
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| 22:47.13 | simonrvn | phaidros: might be in backports once that' gets going |
| 22:47.23 | simonrvn | s,',, |
| 22:52.11 | hulatang | simonrvn, you mean the s is make up in make file? maybe as a reference somehting? |
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| 22:52.25 | phaidros | simonrvn: hm, shame |
| 22:52.42 | phaidros | so then, one has to live again with 3rd party repos :) |
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| 23:04.41 | simonrvn | hulatang: yeh, but just a guess |
| 23:05.04 | hulatang | thx |
| 23:05.07 | hulatang | exit |
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| 23:13.46 | sharp15 | no ideas. i guess that was expected. |
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| 23:16.12 | Famic | hi |
| 23:16.42 | Famic | is there a way to change the umask for a specific directory ? |
| 23:18.09 | sharp15 | Famic: is this directory a mount point? |
| 23:18.39 | Famic | sharp15: that doesn't really talk to me, but I'd go with a "no" |
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| 23:19.09 | sharp15 | Famic: a mount point is a place where you connect another drive into the file tree. |
| 23:19.18 | Famic | basically, what I want is to have new files writable by the user's group in some directories |
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| 23:19.34 | sharp15 | Famic: then i think you want chmod. |
| 23:19.55 | Famic | sharp15: yeah, except that I'd like it to be a default, not a manual chmod after each file creation |
| 23:20.43 | Famic | when I create a file, it ends up 644, I'd like it to be 664 for some directories |
| 23:20.52 | abrotman | !permissions |
| 23:20.53 | dpkg | For information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions', http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions and http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html . For further information, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod and follow the setuid and setgid links within. See also <ssh permissions>, <qotd232>. http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 23:21.24 | simonrvn | uh, and how do you plan to ls in those dirs then? ;) |
| 23:21.34 | sharp15 | Famic: you mean you want users in a specific group to create files in certain directories with a specific group that insn't necessarily the user's group. |
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| 23:21.59 | sharp15 | by user's group i mean the default gid for the user. |
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| 23:22.23 | RichiH | 44444/lr |
| 23:22.35 | Famic | nah, I've set the same default group for the concerned users, I'd just like the files created in a given directory to be group writable by default |
| 23:22.56 | Famic | seems to me it should be the case, but that's not what I see |
| 23:23.31 | Famic | umask is 0022 though |
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| 23:25.10 | Famic | any idea ? |
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| 23:26.09 | Famic | do I have to set umask to 0002 in the user's profile ? |
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| 23:28.14 | Famic | looks like it does the trick |
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| 23:29.30 | abrotman | and on every file you create ... |
| 23:29.52 | Famic | right. Is there a way to do this in a more localized way ? |
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| 23:33.32 | joltcan | Famic: You could also use ACL instead of the chmod dance |
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| 23:37.10 | sharp15 | i'll ask again. how do i control the order services start within a runlevel. update-rc.d keeps commenting about dependency based boot but i'm trying to control the order of two services that aren't dependent. |
| 23:37.13 | gnude | hello, i need help setting up a irc channel |
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| 23:37.23 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 23:37.23 | gnude | is somebody familiar with it and can help me? |
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| 23:38.29 | johnfg | I get this from ckrootkit daily: http://paste.debian.net/109075/ |
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| 23:39.03 | johnfg | What do I need to do to take care of this? It's not a real problem, just kinda annoying getting the message. |
| 23:39.34 | th0r | sharp15: I haven't messed with it for a while, but the order used to be controlled by the number of the script link in rc5.d (rc?.d). S10 was started before S11, then S12, etc |
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| 23:40.33 | th0r | sharp15: I think it is all documented in the debian policy package if I am not mistaken |
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| 23:40.59 | abrotman | Famic: see the permissions urls the bot spit out |
| 23:41.11 | sharp15 | th0r: thanks. update-rc.d is supposed to handle that according to its manual page. but it doesn't seem to do anything except enable and disable services entirely. |
| 23:41.19 | Arrowmaster` | sharp15: if you want them to start in a certain order than add the dependencies |
| 23:41.21 | sharp15 | th0r: what policy package? |
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| 23:41.48 | nutron | hi, I have an app server running ltsp, I'm running into a problem, and want to find the right tool to attack it. lenny, at times causes the .xsession-errors for a user to fill with tons of errors, enough to bring down the whole server. I'd like to have a monitor (mon/monit) to check load etc, but what I want to do is kill nautilus (the runaway app) but only for the one user, as I'd be taking down nautilus for the whole office if I kill it. will mon or monit |
| 23:41.55 | th0r | sharp15: I am just now installing sarge in a vm so can't check it yet, but I think it is called 'debian policy' or some such |
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| 23:42.08 | stakes | should i go with the standard home on a separate partion, lvm, or encrypted lvm? |
| 23:42.15 | th0r | sharp15: it explains quite a bit about the architecture, startup, file structure, etc |
| 23:42.18 | sharp15 | Arrowmaster`: I am NOT editing initscripts to make independent services dependent. please try again. |
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| 23:42.54 | stakes | i just dumped windows & ubuntu and i wanna move up to a real OS, but i wanna do this right |
| 23:42.58 | sharp15 | sorry. i'm getting frustrated. |
| 23:43.03 | Arrowmaster` | sharp15: read the insserv man page, there is a location you can put files to override the LSB headers in the init scripts without actually editing the scripts |
| 23:43.18 | Famic | abrotman: I did. mostly nothing new in there. the debian wiki sounds good, but it seems the syntax of setfacl has changed since this was written |
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| 23:44.17 | sharp15 | i'm still confused as to why i want to tell the system two things are dependent when they aren't. |
| 23:44.24 | sharp15 | Arrowmaster`: i'll read it. |
| 23:44.50 | Famic | right now I get a "setfacl: testfile: Operation not supported" error (or something like that, error is not in english) when doing "setfacl -m u:matt:w testfile" |
| 23:45.11 | Arrowmaster` | you dont have to make them 'dependent' but just tell it 'if this exists it needs to be started before that' |
| 23:46.00 | Arrowmaster` | sharp15: what exactly are you trying to do though? everything should work fine by default |
| 23:46.59 | sharp15 | Arrowmaster`: i'm trying to make sshd start before ejabberd because the thing keeps hanging boot when it breaks. |
| 23:47.32 | sharp15 | that is ejabberd breaks and hangs the boot for 10 min. |
| 23:47.37 | themill | sharp15: that's exactly the sort of thing that the LSB headers are designed to allow you to express |
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| 23:48.32 | Arrowmaster` | why does an xmpp server need sshd to be running before it starts? |
| 23:49.04 | sharp15 | Arrowmaster: the xmpp server doesn't. i do because the xmpp server hangs the system when it fails to start. |
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| 23:49.32 | Arrowmaster | that sounds like a much more serious issue |
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| 23:50.42 | sharp15 | no kidding. i'm not sure what is broken and i'm getting tired of waiting 10 min. while the thing doesn't work. would you please stop arguing with me about it. |
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| 23:52.07 | themill | sharp15: you're more likely to solve your problem if you follow suggestions rather than dismissing them out of hand and then getting snappy. |
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| 23:54.48 | dondelelcaro | rjsalts: for what purpose? |
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