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| 00:02.32 | allure | hi... will pppoeconf only autodetect the modem if it is already in bridge mode? |
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| 00:07.05 | jhutchins_lt | allure: Does it? |
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| 00:08.42 | allure | jhutchins_lt: it's not detecting and the modem is @ eth1 |
| 00:08.54 | allure | that's why I'm asking |
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| 00:11.53 | jhutchins_lt | allure: drivers? |
| 00:13.39 | allure | jhutchins_lt: hmm do I really need drivers for this? what kind of drivers..? the connection is working when routed... I might be missing something |
| 00:13.42 | jhutchins_lt | allure: You should be able to find some step-by-step instructions for your brand of modem - they're pretty well supported these days. |
| 00:14.00 | jhutchins_lt | allure: Ah, routed vs. bridged? |
| 00:14.05 | allure | jhutchins_lt: yes |
| 00:14.11 | allure | jhutchins_lt: I'm switching from routed to bridged |
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| 00:14.38 | allure | jhutchins_lt: trying to, at least :) |
| 00:15.02 | mosno | i was getting end_request I/O errors on a bunch of sectors on my drive (LVM on LUKS). the system wouldn't even boot/reboot. so i booted from a CD and ran fsck -f on my root and boot filesystems, but fsck said they were clean. now the system boots. what gives? |
| 00:15.37 | mosno | i'm about to check SMART data |
| 00:15.44 | mosno | this is debian 6.0 amd64 |
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| 00:18.13 | mosno | ...according to Disk Utility, the disk is healthy. |
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| 00:19.29 | jhutchins_lt | What you have to watch out for is changes. You might also check the physical connections. |
| 00:19.46 | mosno | jhutchins_lt: me? |
| 00:21.39 | jhutchins_lt | mosno: Yes. |
| 00:22.01 | jhutchins_lt | mosno: What kernel do you have? |
| 00:22.38 | mosno | jhutchins_lt: re. connections, it is a laptop internal drive. i'm about to ensure that i am notified of changes to SMART status (is this what you meant?). kernel is 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 00:23.13 | mosno | it "feels" like some problem with dm/LUKS |
| 00:23.17 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, changes to smart status or bad blocks, etc. |
| 00:23.21 | mosno | ok |
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| 00:23.40 | mosno | jhutchins_lt: can you recommend a tool which does nice reporting on this OOTB? |
| 00:25.40 | jhutchins_lt | mosno: I just use raw smart. |
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| 00:28.26 | mosno | ok, thanks jhutchins_lt |
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| 00:44.49 | achury | Hi people, after any new big debian release I have the same complain, Why CD1 includes 2 graphical browsers (Iceweasel and Epifany) and dont includes network manager, wlan, wmdial? Remain in the world millions of people without broadband access that depend on dial-up, wireless, CD1 must to solve any needed conectivity problem on a user-friendly way so the people can later download their favorite apps. |
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| 00:45.21 | ratty | Bah, what is the correct way to install LIRC on debian? This is driving me nuts |
| 00:45.39 | ratty | The modules won't compile for me with the default package |
| 00:45.58 | ratty | and I have tried the ubuntu modules to no avail |
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| 00:49.35 | dvs | achury: That's why I'd download DVD1 |
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| 00:52.50 | tharkun | achury: Netinst for the window |
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| 01:01.25 | roe | Is there a fsck.ntfs utility? |
| 01:03.03 | achury | Believe it or not, in the third world remain millions of computers with cd reader that cant read dvd's |
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| 01:04.23 | homie | there's an ntfsfix utility from ntfs-3g |
| 01:04.32 | homie | but don't know about others |
| 01:04.44 | homie | and others are not recommended or so |
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| 01:05.36 | dvs | achury: So? Use wpa_supplicant |
| 01:06.24 | Arrowmaster | network-manager-gnome seems to be all the way on CD5, probably because nothing in gnome actually depends on it |
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| 01:07.02 | engla | achury: you can use more than 1 cd |
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| 01:07.55 | achury | Yes, but I dont have idea in wich cd's are the things I need ;-) |
| 01:08.05 | Arrowmaster | !cd content |
| 01:08.05 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, examine the package lists within the list-{cd,dvd} subdirectories for the relevant architecture at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ (e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/list-cd/). |
| 01:08.24 | achury | thanks :-) |
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| 02:54.48 | ZykoticK9 | Gnome unable to auto mount ext4 USB drives, output of dmesg tail at http://paste.debian.net/109325/ is it trying to mount it as a CD? UDF? I can mount the drives successfully from root, just not the gnome automounter. |
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| 03:00.43 | bk | hi all :) |
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| 03:01.38 | bk | what are all distros that are debian based, i know ubuntu but what else |
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| 03:07.27 | ash615 | quick q |
| 03:07.35 | amphi | bk: the intertubes are at your disposal |
| 03:07.53 | bk | amphi: although they are, i have only found debian and ubuntu |
| 03:07.58 | bk | maybe i just worded it wrong |
| 03:08.00 | ash615 | is it bad practice to have stable in sources.list instead of specific version e.g. 'lenny' or 'squeeze' |
| 03:08.27 | bk | ash615: i would say yes |
| 03:08.32 | bk | but its your machine |
| 03:08.59 | bk | personally, i would not do it |
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| 03:11.16 | amphi | ash615: yes, eventually it could be bad (when the next stable comes out) |
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| 03:18.20 | ZykoticK9 | My ext4 automounting issue was due to an incorrect line in fstab "/dev/sdd1 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto" my USBs where sdd1 and thus incorrectly identified as cdroms, one # fixed the issue. Thank you mailing list result through google to find something i should have found myself ;) |
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| 03:36.27 | echo-area | Whoa warzone2100 is upgraded! |
| 03:36.31 | echo-area | Very cool. |
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| 03:40.21 | fanderal | Was Debian's reason to remove some firmware from the kernel because of a licensing conflict? |
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| 03:41.15 | dondelelcaro | fanderal: the firmware was separated upstream because it is not free |
| 03:41.47 | dondelelcaro | fanderal: the firmware can be included in initrds or is in the various non-free firmware packages if you require it |
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| 03:42.44 | fanderal | Thanks. I don't have a problem with it... just wanted to uinderstand why the decision was made. |
| 03:43.25 | dondelelcaro | basically, it's not compatible with the DFSG; upstream did it because it's also not compatible with the GPL (and in some cases, we not be able to legally distribute the firmware anyway) |
| 03:43.43 | dondelelcaro | and other distributions like fedora et al. also have made similar decisions |
| 03:44.56 | fanderal | aree you saying licensing played a part, but not a big part? |
| 03:45.34 | dondelelcaro | depends on the exact firmware |
| 03:46.10 | dondelelcaro | but yes, it's partly licensing, partly technical, and partly philosophical |
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| 03:47.33 | fanderal | Debian's been my default for a couple of years and I see no reason to change... just wanted to understand. Thanks, dondelelcaro |
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| 03:55.36 | WormFood | according to this page http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html on debian UIDs and GIDs in the range of 65000-65533 are "Reserved"....where do I find a current list of what is actually used (allocated) in that range by debian? |
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| 03:57.10 | WormFood | ooohhh...I misremembered what I saw....so I'm guessing those aren't being used at all? |
| 03:58.02 | un214 | UID/GID greater than 100 are allocated dynamically |
| 03:58.26 | un214 | 65535 is special |
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| 03:59.38 | un214 | actually the debian policy is contrary to old unix where nobody was -1 which equals 65535 |
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| 04:01.44 | un214 | the sentinal language is silly. getpwent() returns NULL for sentinal |
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| 04:08.24 | WormFood | un214, did you actually look at the page I referenced? |
| 04:08.29 | un214 | yes |
| 04:08.41 | WormFood | then you've said nothing special, that wasn't already said on that page :P |
| 04:09.24 | WormFood | I was thinking that they were using 65000-65533, but I misremembered what I saw...I had seen some packages allocate in th 640xx range, and when I read that page, I was thinking 650xx area |
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| 04:09.49 | un214 | incidentally uids are not restricted to 16 bits anymore |
| 04:10.10 | WormFood | I'd expect so, on 64-bit systems |
| 04:10.51 | un214 | 32 bit linux has allowed 32 bit uid for ages |
| 04:11.07 | un214 | (uid_t)(-1) returns 4 billion something |
| 04:11.08 | WormFood | oh yeah? but still, I don't think all of your tools allow for that. |
| 04:11.19 | un214 | such as? |
| 04:11.48 | un214 | I don't use minix filesystem anymore |
| 04:11.54 | WormFood | couldn't name anything specific, just speculating, as many programs would expect 32-bit (maybe not Linux specific software) |
| 04:12.57 | un214 | ?? |
| 04:13.06 | un214 | 65535 is highest integer on 16 bit |
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| 04:15.50 | WormFood | sometimes their limits are not always reasonable or logical....but usually there was a reason for it. |
| 04:16.02 | un214 | 10 years ago |
| 04:16.13 | WormFood | I'd expect the uid to be more limited by the filesystem, than the OS, since the internal representations shouldn't matter |
| 04:16.39 | WormFood | so if the file system only allocates 2 bytes for UID/GID, then that'd be a good reason not to support anything higher than 65535 |
| 04:17.30 | WormFood | anyways....I need to add some new UIDs to my system (for services), and just trying to pick IDs that won't possibly clash with anything in any debian packages. |
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| 04:17.52 | WormFood | and still try to follow the debian style |
| 04:18.05 | un214 | the old system documentation said anything > 99 and not already taken = fair game |
| 04:18.16 | un214 | if a system package later clobbered it it was buggy |
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| 04:20.15 | phix | un214: highest unsigned int yes |
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| 04:20.29 | asarch | One stupid question, how do you (Debian users admin Perl modules)? |
| 04:20.51 | asarch | Do you use CPAN or [apt-get|aptitude| for that? |
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| 04:21.27 | asarch | I mean, how do you admin Perl modules? |
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| 04:28.03 | WormFood | UIDs/GIDs 60000-64999 = Globally allocated by the Debian project, but only created on demand. The ids are allocated centrally and statically, but the actual accounts are only created on users' systems on demand. <-- where would I find the list of UIDs/GIDs allocated by the debian? (i know, it is subject to change with new packages) |
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| 04:29.19 | phix | hehe by the debian :) |
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| 04:31.16 | s3phir0th115 | I'm very glad I switched to debian |
| 04:31.31 | s3phir0th115 | I've never had a Linux system this solid and stable |
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| 04:32.14 | phix | yeah it is great |
| 04:32.47 | phix | I am glad it doesn't use NetworkManager like Ubuntu (or does Squeeze do that now?) |
| 04:33.20 | asarch | Yes, it does |
| 04:33.34 | beardy | "It" uses what you want to use. "It" doesn't care. |
| 04:34.15 | asarch | Of course! But "it" does by default |
| 04:34.15 | asarch | :-P |
| 04:34.26 | beardy | No. |
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| 04:36.01 | phix | aaww, I really hate NetworkManager |
| 04:36.25 | s3phir0th115 | For a while I didn't like the idea of patching from upstream |
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| 04:36.42 | s3phir0th115 | But I've since come to the conclusion that every distro does it, even ones that claim they don't. |
| 04:36.49 | s3phir0th115 | Or don't do it much, etc. |
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| 04:37.49 | s3phir0th115 | And also that the patching often fixes problems, and that by not allowing it I was in a way ignoring a benefit of open source. |
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| 04:38.40 | derpyderp | Hey guys, anyone here from Poland or know polish? #pl #poland |
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| 04:41.06 | Rusty1 | derpyderp: there is a #debian-pl channel |
| 04:41.26 | derpyderp | Rusty1: yeah, thanks, but dont think it's active at this time :( |
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| 04:47.22 | s3phir0th115 | Perhaps that should be in the topic. What the channels are for other languages |
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| 04:50.04 | nsadmin | the topic is stretched to its limit as it is |
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| 04:53.32 | phix | derpyderp: hehe, pl has been perl for quite some time now :) |
| 04:54.05 | derpyderp | phix: what do you mean "perl"? |
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| 04:59.40 | phix | debhelper: it is a scripting language with extension pl |
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| 05:07.46 | atan | I would love a simple firewall that will block all ports except for those I open. Is there something easy out there? This whole iptables thing makes my head spin. If it's the only way... fine, but I had hoped I could just make a nice .ini file telling which addresses can access which ports, and block off the rest. |
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| 05:09.05 | MrFrood | atan: desktop or server? |
| 05:09.30 | atan | Server. |
| 05:10.03 | atan | There was one I can't recall.. err... same buy makes some brute-forde detector and system integ monitor |
| 05:10.10 | atan | rfx, yes, err. |
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| 05:11.40 | atan | http://www.rfxn.com/projects/advanced-policy-firewall/ is the one I was thinking of. Are there other options out there these days? |
| 05:12.57 | WormFood | is there a list of the UIDs/GIDs allocated by debian in the 60000-64999 range? |
| 05:13.21 | MrFrood | not really my area, I know there are a couple of packages with web based configs and I came across a nice one the other day with an nucuses interface but I can't remember what it was called |
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| 05:15.01 | MrFrood | no idea, try asking on #debian over on the oftec server it seems a bit more active |
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| 05:17.52 | sonnie | hi there, i have box running debian x86_64 2.6.32-5-amd64. after adding my id "sh" into sudoers as "sh ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL", 'sudo' still prompt [sudo] password for sh. why? |
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| 05:18.47 | MrFrood | sonnie: did you use visudo? |
| 05:19.58 | sonnie | MrFrood, I DID use visudo |
| 05:20.51 | MrFrood | sonnie: did it give any error messages when you quit it? |
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| 05:21.24 | sonnie | no error at all |
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| 05:22.37 | sonnie | besides, after i input password this time, next time it will probably not prompt. after a while, it prompts again. |
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| 05:24.22 | MrFrood | That's normal behaviour if it is set to use a password |
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| 05:25.44 | MrFrood | sonnie: did you use spaces or tabs? |
| 05:25.58 | sonnie | finally i remove that line, save&quit, redo it again, now it's ok. |
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| 05:26.05 | sonnie | i used two tabs |
| 05:26.27 | sonnie | i just paste it again from clipboard. strange.. |
| 05:26.54 | banga | this is strange, I have a cron running that uses /bin/kill to detect a PID in a file, and if it doesnt exist it will run the script. I see it run in the syslog, and if I log into that user (apache) to run it it works, but it wont bring the script up when it runs from the cron. |
| 05:26.59 | banga | any ideas? |
| 05:28.03 | sonnie | anyway, thank you MrFrood! |
| 05:28.05 | MrFrood | banga: group permisions |
| 05:29.07 | Dewi | banga: you might just have to log a lot more |
| 05:29.10 | banga | MrFrood: the cron is running it as the user, and if i log into the user and run the exact same line it works. |
| 05:29.12 | Dewi | banga: to narrow it down |
| 05:29.26 | banga | USR/SBIN/CRON[25140]: (apache) CMD (/bin/kill -0 `sed '2,$d' /script.pid` &> /dev/null || /script.pl) |
| 05:29.43 | banga | thats an example of how simple it is.. but it just doesnt run from cron |
| 05:30.35 | Dewi | banga: what's the sed for? |
| 05:30.53 | banga | Dewi: grabbing the pid from the file |
| 05:31.05 | Dewi | banga: also / is a strange place to put a script |
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| 05:31.22 | banga | Dewi: i masked it for the paste =o) |
| 05:31.23 | Dewi | banga: wouldn't 'cat' grab the pid? |
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| 05:31.43 | banga | Dewi: the sed removes newlines |
| 05:32.05 | Dewi | banga: backquotes do that already I think |
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| 05:32.12 | banga | Dewi: honestly, i grabbed the basis for it from a system running cron script, cant remember which |
| 05:32.38 | banga | the strange thing is though, it runs fine |
| 05:32.57 | Dewi | banga: how strange that is depends on what the sed actually does |
| 05:32.58 | banga | its obviously either cron doesnt like it, or its a permission thing |
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| 05:33.12 | banga | ill try cat |
| 05:33.59 | Dewi | hmm |
| 05:34.03 | Dewi | d is delete line |
| 05:34.09 | Dewi | 2,$ might be a range from 2 to end? |
| 05:34.43 | Dewi | banga: you don't have a full path to sed |
| 05:34.53 | Dewi | that's environment-dependent |
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| 05:35.08 | banga | oh! |
| 05:35.12 | Dewi | banga: should maybe be /bin/sed or /bin/cat |
| 05:35.51 | Dewi | banga: I'm actually not sure what the white-space processing of backquotes is :/ |
| 05:36.47 | banga | Dewi: well even stranger is i had this exact cron script running on lenny fine |
| 05:37.01 | banga | Dewi: this seems to be only happening on squeeze |
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| 05:37.36 | banga | using /bin/cat didnt work either |
| 05:37.54 | Dewi | banga: it's not that unusual for environmental dependencies to creep in, and for environments to change between releases for security tightening reasons |
| 05:38.13 | Dewi | banga: you're not getting emailed any error text? |
| 05:38.51 | banga | nope. its not erroring |
| 05:38.59 | banga | thats the first thing i checked |
| 05:39.10 | banga | let me look at perms |
| 05:39.41 | Dewi | banga: yeah in my quick tests it really looks like backquotes turn any length of whitespace into a single space |
| 05:40.05 | banga | Dewi: only through cron? |
| 05:40.13 | Dewi | banga: so assuming your file is just a pure pid surrounded by whitespace it should be fine to just cat... |
| 05:40.37 | banga | its actually got no new line in it |
| 05:40.41 | banga | i just checked |
| 05:40.50 | un214 | Dewi: of course they do |
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| 05:45.21 | ndnihil | any idea why gimv/gimageview is not in squeeze? I was rather fond of that one |
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| 05:49.53 | banga | im just gonna start removing stuff till it works |
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| 05:51.25 | Arrowmaster | !why-removed |
| 05:51.25 | dpkg | The log of Debian package removals (including removal reasons) for this year is at http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.txt . For logs of previous years, see http://ftp-master.debian.org/#removed |
| 05:51.33 | Arrowmaster | ndnihil: ^^^ |
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| 05:54.11 | mah454 | I have problem with iptables in debian ... |
| 05:54.55 | mah454 | after flush nat chain . windows client can continue download ! |
| 05:55.27 | WormFood | I need to make a new UID/GID for a software package, that is allocated in debian...but there is no debian package (I know if I installed a debian package, it would make the UID/GID automatically for me)...is there a debian way to allocate thise UID/GID (is my question clear enough?) |
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| 05:56.36 | Arrowmaster | WormFood: adduser |
| 05:56.47 | WormFood | do I just need to manually add the user, and give it the UID/GID preallocated by debian? |
| 05:57.03 | Arrowmaster | read the adduser man page |
| 05:57.13 | Arrowmaster | also you can look at other packages that create users |
| 05:57.15 | WormFood | Arrowmaster, you don't understand my question |
| 05:57.34 | WormFood | I'm well aware of "adduser", I'm asking specifically about UID/GIDs that have been reserved |
| 05:57.54 | Arrowmaster | if the UID is reserved then shouldnt the user already exist? |
| 05:57.55 | WormFood | I don't know if there is a debian way to tell it I want this preallocated UID/GID |
| 05:58.05 | WormFood | no, it is reserved, and created on demand |
| 05:58.11 | Arrowmaster | what UID? |
| 05:58.16 | WormFood | not all systems would have this software, so not all would use it |
| 05:58.23 | WormFood | 24025 |
| 05:58.35 | WormFood | er...64025 |
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| 05:58.42 | Arrowmaster | what software? |
| 05:58.46 | WormFood | vpopmail |
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| 05:59.15 | Arrowmaster | wait is this just the UID that this software uses on every system? |
| 05:59.31 | WormFood | that is the uid that has been reserved for use with that software |
| 05:59.47 | Arrowmaster | uids that high arent reserved |
| 05:59.53 | ndnihil | Arrowmaster: that's a dandy removal history and all, but it doesn't mention gimageview |
| 05:59.56 | WormFood | 64010-6401x is for qmail |
| 06:00.17 | WormFood | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html <--- Arrowmaster yeah it is, read up |
| 06:00.33 | banga | Dewi: it seems to work without the /dev/null |
| 06:00.41 | WormFood | UIDs 60000-64999 = Globally allocated by the Debian project, but only created on demand. The ids are allocated centrally and statically, but the actual accounts are only created on users' systems on demand. |
| 06:01.25 | Arrowmaster | ah, did you read the adduser man page? |
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| 06:01.28 | WormFood | I didn't know if there was a special command or option to have it automatically use those UID/GIDs |
| 06:01.45 | WormFood | Arrowmaster, I don't think you understand my real question |
| 06:01.50 | Arrowmaster | yes i do |
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| 06:02.10 | Arrowmaster | read the man page, it mentions the --uid and --gid options |
| 06:02.14 | WormFood | if there is nothing specific to debian for this, then I'd be using adduser, and manually selecting that uid/gid |
| 06:02.36 | WormFood | Arrowmaster, I've told you before, I'm well aware of how to add users, my question was specific to debian |
| 06:02.58 | Arrowmaster | why dont you find another official debian package that uses one of those reserved uids and look how it does it |
| 06:03.09 | Arrowmaster | or ask on the debian-mentors mailing list |
| 06:03.55 | WormFood | because I'm not adding a package, and I don't care how a package does it....I was just wondering if there was some tool, specific to debian perhaps, that would do that for me....if not, then I have no problems adding them manually, which looks like what I'll be doing |
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| 06:08.08 | banga | Dewi: that was it.. the '&> /dev/null' didnt work so i replaced it with ' > /dev/null 2>&1' and it worked. |
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| 06:56.39 | dbbolton | how can i found out the dev name of my usb drive to mount it? |
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| 06:58.55 | rigved | dbbolton: look in /dev/disk/by-label/ or sometimes it shows up as /dev/usb-* |
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| 06:59.43 | dbbolton | only my internal hard drive is showing up, but according to dmesg the usb drive is recognized |
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| 07:01.06 | dbbolton | maybe i should try with the stock kernel |
| 07:01.16 | rigved | dbbolton: it should be listed in /dev/ - do this - ls /dev/ |
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| 07:09.58 | simonrvn | probably needed to load usb_storage |
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| 07:28.18 | hanibanaa | hi all |
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| 07:28.27 | hanibanaa | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:31.13 | iElectric | hanibanaa: ldapvi is easiest |
| 07:32.24 | simonrvn | hanibanaa: commonname ; look at your schema |
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| 08:02.23 | StuckMojo | anyone know how to cause dkms to use -j 4 when auto-building kernel modules? |
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| 08:06.00 | StuckMojo | i suspect it's some global-ish setting that probably affects the kernel build system in general |
| 08:08.17 | simonrvn | seems a bit dumb to have it that way if you don't have 4 cores |
| 08:10.37 | StuckMojo | well yeah, but i do |
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| 08:10.52 | StuckMojo | so i'd like my aptitude safe-upgrades to go faster when there's a new kernel image involved |
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| 08:11.01 | StuckMojo | right now it only uses one |
| 08:11.07 | passwordoff | How to set default file opener? |
| 08:11.50 | StuckMojo | i used to know how to do it for make-kpkg |
| 08:11.59 | kgoetz | passwordoff: eg? |
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| 08:12.39 | kgoetz | StuckMojo: tbh, i suspect its actaually a dkms setting |
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| 08:13.08 | StuckMojo | nothing in the dkms man page |
| 08:13.20 | StuckMojo | iirc it might be an env var or something |
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| 08:13.34 | StuckMojo | like automake uses AUTOMAKE_JOBS |
| 08:13.35 | passwordoff | kgoetz: wtf eg? |
| 08:13.45 | StuckMojo | alternatives/automake: my $nthreads = $ENV{'AUTOMAKE_JOBS'} || 0; |
| 08:14.50 | StuckMojo | ah screw it. time to go check out the crysis 2 demo |
| 08:15.02 | kgoetz | passwordoff: your question is broken, ask it again so its not so open ended if you could... |
| 08:15.32 | kgoetz | StuckMojo: handy, i should override it in my bashrc |
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| 08:16.40 | passwordoff | I need to set the programm which will open files by default way. For exampe, firefox for *.html not opera |
| 08:17.05 | IanWizard-Mobile | is Sid the new testing? I heard that it wasn't. |
| 08:17.17 | kgoetz | passwordoff: gnome pas a tool to set the browser preference,else you cna override it through the freedesktop utilities |
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| 08:17.57 | Arrowmaster | IanWizard-Mobile: no |
| 08:18.06 | passwordoff | kgoetz: universal answer for any question of that kind |
| 08:18.40 | kgoetz | passwordoff: that would be: use freedesktop utilities, unless the filetype is unsupported. |
| 08:19.01 | IanWizard-Mobile | I'm using an old report, and its got Lenny, squeeze, and Sid. I'm on testing, which should I use? |
| 08:19.15 | IanWizard-Mobile | *repo |
| 08:19.31 | kgoetz | IanWizard-Mobile: do you want stable or testing? |
| 08:20.56 | IanWizard-Mobile | but it Lenny and squeeze, so its stable and old. |
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| 08:21.15 | IanWizard-Mobile | I guess squeeze is my answer. |
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| 08:21.27 | kgoetz | wtf did you mean by that? |
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| 08:21.41 | IanWizard-Mobile | so what IS testing now? |
| 08:22.06 | IanWizard-Mobile | squeeze is stable now. |
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| 08:22.15 | kgoetz | dpkg: wheezy |
| 08:22.15 | dpkg | The release after squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie), and will be Debian 7.0. Ask me about <testing>. |
| 08:23.10 | IanWizard-Mobile | ok, thanks. so Sid is just staying as unstable,l? |
| 08:23.26 | kgoetz | IanWizard-Mobile: yeah, ask dpkg abbout sid |
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| 08:25.17 | IanWizard-Mobile | oh. ok, all makes sense now. |
| 08:25.47 | kgoetz | :) |
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| 08:25.59 | IanWizard-Mobile | its the repo for e17, I guess I still shouldn't use the Sid repo |
| 08:26.18 | kgoetz | heh, e17. |
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| 08:46.43 | tarzeau | /dev/sda1 has gone 2329 days without being checked, check forced. i wanted to upgrade this box and i get: E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
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| 08:59.01 | passwordoff | epiphany is worst programm ever |
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| 09:02.03 | kgoetz | passwordoff: troll much? |
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| 09:03.16 | HackeMate | hi |
| 09:03.21 | HackeMate | can i run a crontab with a certain user? |
| 09:03.27 | HackeMate | with www-data |
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| 09:04.56 | konsument | Hello |
| 09:04.59 | themill | dpkg: tell HackeMate about crontab |
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| 09:05.53 | konsument | I use Grub2 and try to boot an ISO live distribution. The file resides in my home directory. When I boot from it using Grub2's "loopback" option, it loads the kernel and then hangs after "Waiting for root file system" - What do I do wrong? |
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| 09:06.24 | casts | interessting, didn't know such functionality existed |
| 09:06.54 | casts | it would require a hypervisor kind of setup wouldn't it? |
| 09:07.40 | Bushmills | konsument: do you insmod iso9660 in boot section? |
| 09:08.43 | konsument | no |
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| 09:09.02 | konsument | casts: no, it just offers to boot from a live image iso on your hdd |
| 09:09.26 | konsument | so you have to restart to use it...advantage is that you can boot from any live cd on your hdd and dont need usb stick |
| 09:09.28 | Bushmills | konsument: try that. try also to load the loop module |
| 09:09.35 | konsument | how? |
| 09:09.43 | casts | any livecd? |
| 09:09.55 | Bushmills | just put insmod iso9660, and next line, insmod loop, in boot section |
| 09:10.00 | konsument | ok thx |
| 09:10.06 | konsument | so in the menuentry section you mean? |
| 09:10.35 | Bushmills | yes. just above "set root" and "linux" |
| 09:10.45 | konsument | ok tried that, brb :)) |
| 09:10.46 | konsument | bye |
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| 09:14.24 | Bushmills | casts: most any bootable cd |
| 09:14.45 | Bushmills | though easier may be to just dd the iso to a spare partition |
| 09:16.07 | casts | crazy |
| 09:16.44 | Bushmills | why? saves you writing the image to a cd/dvd |
| 09:16.46 | casts | so how does it work, given the cd will be thinking its on say, sdc, whereas really its on a filesystem on sda2 |
| 09:17.25 | Bushmills | the cd isn't supposed to think. it is just supposed to carry data |
| 09:17.32 | casts | palms face |
| 09:17.41 | casts | lets say i have a windows livecd |
| 09:17.52 | themill | I'd prefer to have a sentient CD, personally. |
| 09:18.09 | casts | and lets say the ISO is sitting on a ext4 fs on sda2 |
| 09:18.33 | Bushmills | when you dd the image to sda2, the fs will be most likely iso9660 |
| 09:19.19 | casts | but the poster said it was in a file in his home directory |
| 09:19.23 | Bushmills | some people keep one or two cd size spare partitions free for just this purpose |
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| 09:19.56 | Bushmills | yes. with spare small partitions you can avoid the loop mounting during boot |
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| 09:20.11 | Bushmills | makes grub setup a bit easier |
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| 09:20.43 | casts | ok, so back to my example |
| 09:21.08 | Bushmills | google for "booting iso image with grub" |
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| 09:22.26 | arl4223 | hi all |
| 09:22.41 | arl4223 | I need some help with aptitude and packages which are set to hold |
| 09:22.55 | arl4223 | http://paste.debian.net/109335/ |
| 09:22.59 | gnude | hello, is there a posibility to change the gateway from a server without disconnecting the network? the server is used as fileserver with samba, but now i must change the gateway. |
| 09:23.05 | sherl0ck | in server world, if I have a box, that is a webserver, and I running out of diskspace, what are my options to add more? besides adding another drive, so over a network i guess? |
| 09:23.09 | arl4223 | why will aptitude upgrade sun-java6-jdk? |
| 09:23.30 | arl4223 | sherl0ck: nfs? |
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| 09:23.52 | Bushmills | gnude: route add ... [ new gateway ]; route del ... [ old gateway ] |
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| 09:24.48 | konsument | Hello |
| 09:24.54 | sherl0ck | arl4223: the server uses LVM, can i add to the volume group, with a remote drive somehow? |
| 09:24.58 | konsument | unfortunately, the insmods didnt do the trick |
| 09:25.05 | gnude | bushmills: i can add new gateway, but at deleting the old the system saxy : SIOCDELRT: Kein passender Prozess gefunden |
| 09:25.10 | casts | Bushmills: clarification, you didn't just mean linux based livecds? |
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| 09:25.24 | neroxx | Hello :) |
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| 09:25.34 | gnude | the old gateway has a genmask with 0.0.0.0, the new i add 255.255.255.255 |
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| 09:25.42 | arl4223 | sherl0ck hmm dunno - never tried this. |
| 09:26.01 | neroxx | dose anyone have idea why i got this ls output ? |
| 09:26.03 | neroxx | ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? sitload.gif |
| 09:26.06 | Bushmills | gnude: give more details on the route del line about the gateway to be deleted |
| 09:26.25 | sterna | neroxx: fs corruption? |
| 09:26.36 | Bushmills | gnude: essentially, give the same parameters on command line as when the gateway was added |
| 09:26.49 | neroxx | sterna do i need to fsck |
| 09:27.08 | gnude | bushmills_: i add the new with route add 0.0.0.0 gw 192.168.1.40 , and want to delete the olt with route del 0.0.0.0 gw 192.168.1.50 |
| 09:27.13 | Bushmills | casts: no, but i didn't specifically mean windows cds |
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| 09:27.26 | sherl0ck | arl4223: yea here is the issue, the webserver takes uploads. and its filling up the disk. I'd like to transparently have more disk space, without ahving to change the code |
| 09:28.08 | sterna | neroxx: i'd make a backup image first |
| 09:29.00 | neroxx | sterna, thanks a lot :) |
| 09:29.11 | gnude | bushmills: he dont delete the old gateway |
| 09:30.34 | gnude | bushmills: is there a way to reload the networkinterface quickly? on lenny i use the opbenbsd-inet to restart it...... |
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| 09:31.23 | Bushmills | ifdown/ifup can be use to down and up nics quickly |
| 09:31.26 | Bushmills | used |
| 09:31.49 | gnude | ok ifdown ... edit interfaces .... ifup? |
| 09:31.50 | gnude | right |
| 09:31.59 | gnude | did ifup reads the interfaces again? |
| 09:32.17 | freeloader | hello, i'm trying to install etherpad from the repository "deb http://apt.etherpad.org all . " - using debian lenny, but i get: etherpad: Depends: scala (>= 2.7) but it is not installable. Does anyone know how to fix it? |
| 09:32.18 | gnude | what happens with open smb connections at this time? |
| 09:32.20 | Bushmills | it does |
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| 09:34.56 | gnude | the server is in productiv enviroment. best way would be to change the gateway without any break... |
| 09:35.37 | Bushmills | temporarily? |
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| 09:36.09 | themill | freeloader: what version of debian are you using? |
| 09:36.23 | freeloader | themill: lenny |
| 09:36.51 | sep | gnude, if the gateway is natting, you will loose connections anyway |
| 09:36.57 | freeloader | themill: 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 09:37.10 | DimmuR | if i want to setup dns server for small network (~60 computers) that are in active directory should i use bind9 or is there some better dns server for it? |
| 09:37.13 | gnude | sep: natting??? what is this |
| 09:37.40 | gnude | bushmills: no, when they have files open and i use ifdown and then ifup. what happens in these time. |
| 09:37.42 | Bushmills | gnude: for production environment, you want to try your steps on an equivalent non-production server first |
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| 09:37.59 | Bushmills | i mean, temporarily to new gateway? |
| 09:37.59 | sep | gnude, you said your server was on a 192.168.1.something network. |
| 09:38.07 | sep | that means your internett access is nated somewhere |
| 09:38.38 | gnude | sep: yes. 192.168.1.50 is nat and the gateway at the moment. but i will change the gateway to 192.168.1.40, other things are not changed |
| 09:38.42 | sep | if your clients are on the internet they can not keep the connection up thru chaning routers |
| 09:38.50 | themill | freeloader: it's not uncommon for out-of-debian repositories to have issues like this... you have to get scala from their repo as well; it looks like it should be installable from there but I know nothing about the quality of their packages to know whether that's a good thing to do or not. |
| 09:39.12 | gnude | they are not connected to the internet over this fleserver. it only gives samba shares. |
| 09:39.29 | sep | if clients are on lan, you can easily change (or even remove) the default gw since it should not be needed for the local lan. |
| 09:39.54 | ethanol | mornin' people |
| 09:40.17 | themill | freeloader: btw use aptitude not apt-get as it will (a) probably work its way through the problem anyway and (b) provide more useful error messages if it can't. |
| 09:40.20 | Bushmills | has some c2h5oh in his nick too |
| 09:40.21 | freeloader | themill: shouldn't scala be on the debian repo? |
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| 09:40.33 | freeloader | themill: alright, will do, thanks |
| 09:40.34 | themill | ,versions scala |
| 09:40.35 | judd | Package scala on i386 -- sid: 2.7.7.dfsg-4; squeeze: 2.7.7.dfsg-4; wheezy: 2.7.7.dfsg-4 |
| 09:40.39 | themill | freeloader: not in lenny |
| 09:40.53 | freeloader | themill: i see... i just added the sid repo |
| 09:41.00 | themill | that's not going to help you |
| 09:41.18 | gnude | sep: i think you dont unterstand what i mean ;-) the fileserver give to many people shares, the work with documents on it. now what happens when they work on a document and i make ifdown. at this moment the fileserver is not available, but the docuement and share is still open (from the windows pc= |
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| 09:41.45 | freeloader | themill: seems like it did |
| 09:41.45 | gnude | sep: the server will come back a few secounds later. but.... are the connections opend again? |
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| 09:42.06 | themill | freeloader: you really really really shouldn't mix sid with lenny. This will end in tears. |
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| 09:42.19 | freeloader | themill: hmm.. so what do you suggest i do? |
| 09:42.37 | gnude | on lenny i used openbsd-inetd restart and it works fine. but .... this is no longer part of squeeze |
| 09:42.49 | mah454 | what is this error "pg_dump: ERROR: invalid memory alloc request size 1970233207" |
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| 09:43.41 | Bushmills | mah, postgres complains about too much memory requested |
| 09:43.51 | themill | freeloader: either upgrade to squeeze which has scala already; take scala from their own repo; or backport the scala packages themselves. The scala packages are fairly self-contained so having them installed from a release other than lenny is probably safe... the trouble will come when accidentally grab some other packages from sid. |
| 09:44.00 | sep | gnude, the share is only in use if someone is saving or opening a file in a given moment. ; i have used ifdown/up or /etc/init.d/networking restart without samba issues; ofcourse a write in process will have errors |
| 09:44.27 | gnude | sep: ok. |
| 09:44.58 | sep | gnude, ofcourse your networks is not identical to mine. so *shrug* good luck :) |
| 09:45.14 | freeloader | themill: aptitude: http://pastebin.com/XQ8mSNHR |
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| 09:45.35 | sep | if things are very critical test first :) |
| 09:45.44 | freeloader | themill: it's funny how it solved it... don't install etherpad.. solved :P |
| 09:45.57 | mah454 | Ok ... |
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| 09:46.21 | mah454 | Bushmills How i can fix this problem ? |
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| 09:46.35 | Bushmills | try to add another swap partition |
| 09:46.38 | gnude | sep: i have no testsystem here |
| 09:46.40 | freeloader | themill: how do i backport the scala packages? |
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| 09:46.52 | themill | freeloader: what's the output of "apt-cache policy scala etherpad; apt-cache policy" |
| 09:46.59 | gnude | sep: my ony tes t is thinking well bevor doing.... :-) |
| 09:47.13 | sep | gnude, virtualbox |
| 09:47.36 | mah454 | Bushmills mean : my memory is full .... |
| 09:47.44 | freeloader | themill: http://pastebin.com/XZHvTQQ1 |
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| 09:48.00 | Bushmills | mah454: that's what the error suggests |
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| 09:48.27 | mah454 | this is my error : "pg_dump: ERROR: invalid memory alloc request size 1970233207" |
| 09:48.41 | mah454 | excuse me ... 1 |
| 09:48.44 | mah454 | ! |
| 09:49.16 | themill | freeloader: that's quite odd. The Packages file for that repo lists scala but apt claims not to know about it. |
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| 09:50.33 | freeloader | themill: but no version was placed |
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| 10:12.57 | kgoetz | sigh. why can't debian just adapt and adopt chkconfig *shakes head?* |
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| 10:13.35 | bzed | kgoetz: because we're not insane? |
| 10:13.51 | bzed | okay, insserv is kinda insane, but much less insane than chkconfig. |
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| 10:14.02 | bzed | and you can still use file-rc if you don;t like sysv-rc |
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| 10:14.45 | kgoetz | i coul definitely challenge the not insane comment *g* |
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| 10:15.25 | kgoetz | bzed: the bit where neither is installed by default is kind of fail tbh |
| 10:15.37 | kgoetz | bzed: anyhow. insserve i guess it is |
| 10:15.42 | mosno | bzed: just curious, what is insane regarding insserv, in your opinion? |
| 10:15.46 | kgoetz | even though i still think its broken |
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| 10:19.28 | bzed | mosno: imho is parsing LSB headers not the most intelligent way to store the information. and maybe i still don't trust it to work as expected due to its suse based origin ;) |
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| 10:53.49 | anddam | hi |
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| 10:55.19 | anddam | I'm using squeeze netinstall iso to install debian, while in "Partition disks" stage I'm given three "guided" options and one "Manual", choosing manual doesn't let me to edit partitions but rather goes to final screen with "finis partitioning and write changes to disk" option |
| 10:55.35 | anddam | is this normal? shouldn't manual launch some fdisk/cfdisk program? |
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| 10:56.13 | petemc | anddam: it should take you to the partition editor. Can you go back? |
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| 10:56.20 | anddam | petemc: I can |
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| 10:56.40 | anddam | petemc: this is VirtualBox with an EIDE disk |
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| 10:56.48 | anddam | I've installed debian several times in past |
| 10:57.10 | anddam | petemc: do you want screens? |
| 10:57.30 | petemc | no, when you go back does it not take you to the partition editor? |
| 10:57.41 | anddam | it doesn't |
| 10:58.19 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:59.24 | anddam | from main install menu "Partition disk" http://drp.ly/c0hf goes to http://drp.ly/5LCS |
| 10:59.30 | anddam | sorry but it's easier with screens |
| 10:59.37 | anddam | unless you can't see those |
| 10:59.58 | sep | that is the partition editor |
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| 11:00.46 | sep | you can select the 2 partitions to modify them, or you can select the disk to clear the partition table to start blank. |
| 11:00.56 | anddam | _my bad_ |
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| 11:01.14 | anddam | I didn't figure I could select those partitions, thought they were only listed there |
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| 11:01.49 | sep | perhaps read the install guide would help http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition |
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| 11:02.26 | anddam | idk why I was expecting cfdisk like interface |
| 11:02.47 | sep | anddam, quit the partition editor, and use alt+f2 if you want to partition with fdisk ; then you can run the partition editor again to assign mountpoints to the partitions; but |
| 11:03.16 | anddam | sep: I'm fine with installer, I've just removed first ext2 partition and used install to take largest free space |
| 11:03.17 | anddam | thanks |
| 11:03.38 | anddam | I just wanted to leave space for a FAT partition for data exchange |
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| 11:11.01 | anddam | I want to install a few package from svn so I thought about using a source based system, but I'm more confident with apt and I guess I can just add packages I want |
| 11:11.11 | anddam | namely enlightenment and GNUstep |
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| 11:12.02 | anddam | is there a DE smaller than LXDE? |
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| 11:13.51 | mongrol | anddam: define smaller? |
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| 11:15.27 | mosno | anddam: perhaps windowmaker/gnustep |
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| 11:19.02 | anddam | mongrol: smaller as in "takes less disk space" |
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| 11:19.22 | project2501a | hey guys, are there regular builds for wheezy? |
| 11:19.35 | project2501a | or is it just a single built now? |
| 11:19.54 | project2501a | with more regular and stable builds in the next x months or so? |
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| 11:20.48 | g00se | Remind me please: is there a 'try it live' option in the squeeze installer? |
| 11:21.03 | petemc | no |
| 11:21.13 | g00se | ta |
| 11:21.21 | mongrol | and: you're probably getting into window manager territory, of which there are many |
| 11:21.26 | DotHack | what are the possibilies the have a certain xen fix included in the squeeze stable kernel? |
| 11:21.33 | mongrol | rox desktop is pretty lean if you want a more DE experience |
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| 11:22.04 | petemc | DotHack: maybe in a backported kernel, 'normal' squeeze software only gets security fixes |
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| 11:23.03 | Hydroxide | DotHack, petemc: if it's a "this fixes major breakage" fix it might get in ... though possibly not for something like xen as opposed to, say, hard drive support |
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| 11:23.23 | anddam | what does "Standard system utilities" task provides? It's not listed at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds02.html.en |
| 11:23.37 | anddam | provide* |
| 11:23.43 | kgoetz | check its tasksel data |
| 11:24.03 | anddam | kgoetz: how? I'm in installer |
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| 11:24.32 | kgoetz | anddam: you're still in the installer? not sure then. |
| 11:24.58 | DotHack | Hydroxide, petemc: Ok.. i´m having trouble using migration with squeeze on xen.. and there is a small patch available to fix this issue... |
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| 11:29.09 | Hydroxide | anddam: it probably includes everything in the debian main archive with priority standard or higher |
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| 11:30.21 | Hydroxide | anddam: switch to another virtual console (alt+f2), enter the shell, and type in-target aptitude search "~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant" |
| 11:30.24 | Hydroxide | anddam: I think that will work |
| 11:30.35 | Hydroxide | anddam: then switch back via (I think?) alt+f1 |
| 11:30.49 | Hydroxide | might be f3 or f4 or f7 or something to switch back, if I'm wrong |
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| 11:43.04 | KayAteChef | I am having trouble updating lenny and upgrading to squeeze. The problem relates to the kernel image. |
| 11:43.26 | i5noc | !details |
| 11:43.26 | dpkg | If you want help on a topic, you HAVE to say more than "it doesn't work, help!" or else you'll get no help whatsoever. Give as many details as you can or else no one can give any suggestions. For most questions, you should at least give your arch (i386 for most people), your Debian <version>, and your kernel version. Give exact error messages where applicable. |
| 11:43.36 | i5noc | !question |
| 11:43.45 | KayAteChef | just copy/pasting message sorry |
| 11:43.46 | i5noc | meh that one's in the topic anyway... |
| 11:43.55 | i5noc | oh put that in pastebin or so not in chan yeh? |
| 11:43.57 | nevyn | !ask |
| 11:43.58 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 11:44.11 | nevyn | i5noc: is that was what you were looking for? |
| 11:44.14 | i5noc | nevyn, that wasnt what i was looking for no |
| 11:44.35 | i5noc | http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html <-- |
| 11:44.37 | nevyn | maybe smart questions.. |
| 11:44.39 | i5noc | ya |
| 11:44.39 | nevyn | right |
| 11:44.42 | KayAteChef | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:44.55 | nevyn | that ugly... |
| 11:45.07 | i5noc | do you have a floppy drive installed or not installed but enabled in bios? |
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| 11:46.09 | i5noc | did you try an apt-get -f install KayAteChef ? |
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| 11:47.10 | i5noc | is / full? |
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| 11:49.51 | arl4223 | hi has someone an idea why a package marked as "hold" is update by aptitude? |
| 11:50.12 | arl4223 | I am still on oldstable |
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| 11:51.04 | arl4223 | http://paste.debian.net/109335/ |
| 11:51.07 | Bushmills | because your aptitude preferences say "allow resolutions that break holds" |
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| 11:55.12 | arl4223 | Bushmills well as far as I know this option is set to "false" by default, isn't? |
| 11:55.44 | Bushmills | that is right. but if one sets it, it won't be false anymore |
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| 11:57.42 | arl4223 | I just checked, that it is not set = same result |
| 11:57.53 | arl4223 | then I set it to false = same result |
| 11:58.28 | P-Nuts | I'm running squeeze, and trying to modify the default umask for logins. I've changed the value of UMASK in /etc/login.defs, but it doesn't seem to be taking effect, at least for SSH logins, which is the only way I access this machine |
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| 12:00.13 | KayAteChef | I tried dpkg bot's lenny->squeeze instructions (thanks i5noc and nevyn ) |
| 12:00.28 | KayAteChef | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:01.04 | KayAteChef | I removed volatile sources and I don't think there were 'backports' |
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| 12:02.31 | cgc | hi everyone |
| 12:02.39 | cgc | just a quick question about avahi-daemon |
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| 12:03.11 | khem_ | I can't get my Realtek 8192 WiFi card to work under Debian :-( |
| 12:03.25 | cgc | would a software on a machine running the avahi-daemon prefer using the avahi-daemon above the normal resolve by default? |
| 12:03.31 | P-Nuts | I think I need to configure libpam-umask to make this work, is this correct? |
| 12:04.58 | P-Nuts | ah, figured it out |
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| 12:05.34 | P-Nuts | needed to add "session required pam_umask.so" to /etc/pam.d/common-session |
| 12:07.18 | i5noc | cgc, good q, and yes iirc |
| 12:07.41 | i5noc | you mean overrule /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 12:08.01 | i5noc | it works that way in crap-bun2 |
| 12:08.11 | cgc | i5noc: cool thanks :) |
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| 12:16.12 | bidossessi | hi all. is it possible to do an offline network installation using apt-cacher-ng? |
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| 12:18.39 | rigved | bidossessi: you mean using a local computer (on the LAN) as the package repository? |
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| 12:20.20 | bidossessi | rigved, yes |
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| 12:21.01 | rigved | bidossessi: use the tftp method. it's there in the docs |
| 12:21.09 | bidossessi | rigved, i've already got a pretty decent cache on that machine, but i'm not sure i can call on it during the installation process |
| 12:21.28 | rigved | bidossessi: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en |
| 12:21.39 | rigved | bidossessi: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s03.html.en |
| 12:22.17 | luminoso | is there any differente of "make -j10" and "make -j 10"? |
| 12:22.27 | rigved | bidossessi: check the boot parameters page. you need to give the use_unauthenticated parameter |
| 12:23.20 | Makuew | how to check if i have a specific php extension enabled? |
| 12:23.51 | rigved | bidossessi: also, to call on your package mirror, during the install it will ask you for the debian repo mirror. there specify the ip of your cache manually. also, there you can specify the directory of the install image also |
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| 12:25.18 | c0nsense | hi! someone know what is this? http://pastebin.com/hrcqSWBj i try sudo kill -9 pid but the progress start again with other pid |
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| 12:26.06 | bidossessi | rigved, thanks |
| 12:26.36 | rigved | bidossessi: you are welcome. |
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| 12:27.57 | rigved | bidossessi: i think you will also need the firmware files (from the unofficial netboot installer page). i needed to load these manually from a usb during the install, otherwise it could not detect my hdd |
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| 12:28.21 | c0nsense | hi! someone know what is this? http://pastebin.com/hrcqSWBj i try sudo kill -9 pid but the progress start again with other pid |
| 12:28.46 | simonrvn | !repeat |
| 12:28.47 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 12:29.11 | c0nsense | sorry. |
| 12:29.14 | rigved | c0nsense: so you have sudo set up, not a root account? |
| 12:29.21 | abrotman | !zombie |
| 12:29.21 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 12:29.32 | bidossessi | rigved, i'm running some qemu sequeeze vms so firmware might not be an issue |
| 12:29.35 | c0nsense | rigved: i have root acess. |
| 12:29.50 | c0nsense | rigved: but i don't know what's this.. that i show for you. |
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| 12:30.42 | zero1234 | hey does anybody know any cross platform network-multiplayer chess game??? |
| 12:31.29 | abrotman | one written as a java applet you play in a web browser? |
| 12:31.44 | zero1234 | but i want to play in a lan |
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| 12:33.24 | abrotman | What does one open WPS docs with these days? |
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| 12:34.48 | simonrvn | loo? abiword? |
| 12:35.10 | badbyte | hi, i have a debian os that is supposed to act as a server, and i have little trouble to install cvs. maybe someone could guide me through the installation and configuration |
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| 12:35.39 | badbyte | i have already installed cvs and cvsd and eclipse tells me that the repository's folder doesn't exit |
| 12:35.41 | badbyte | exist |
| 12:36.24 | abrotman | simonrvn: i thought it was wordperfect .. it's actually Works .. ick |
| 12:36.43 | abrotman | badbyte: do you have permission to use that directory? |
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| 12:37.21 | badbyte | i have added a new user with it's home directory where my repository |
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| 12:37.27 | badbyte | is in it |
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| 12:38.08 | badbyte | abortman: another thing that i cannot sort out is the directory structure |
| 12:38.33 | abrotman | eh? |
| 12:38.42 | badbyte | ...? |
| 12:40.00 | abrotman | badbyte: what don't you understand about it ? |
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| 12:43.34 | eni23 | hello at all. i've got aquestion: im using a 0815-debian squeeze. i have some date i want to save a little more secure than just on a unencrypted ext3-partition. is there a ->easy-< way to encrypt a directory, or an usb-dirve? don't need alot space, 500mb would be enough |
| 12:43.49 | eni23 | /date/data/ |
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| 12:47.01 | badbyte | abortman: well some tutorials tell me that i should create a folder where i would want my projects to be and then do "cvs -d /home/user/cvs/ init" other tutorials tell me first du run "cvs -d /home/user/ init" |
| 12:47.22 | badbyte | and then create a folder where I want my projects to be stored |
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| 12:55.17 | abrotman | badbyte: are you having problems with the client or the server? |
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| 12:56.08 | Groenleer | Hi folks, can someone tell me how fmirror is named in the debian repositories ?? |
| 12:56.21 | badbyte | abrotman: server seems to work fine, it is the eclipse client that says that the folder that im asking for is not there altough it is |
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| 12:57.07 | ck01 | eni23: try gpg or truecrypt |
| 12:57.11 | phix | How do I change the boot order in grub2? It looks overly complicated |
| 12:57.19 | abrotman | Groenleer: is it even in debain? |
| 12:57.40 | phix | ck01, eni23: used pam_mount |
| 12:57.43 | phix | used = use |
| 12:57.48 | phix | with dm-crypt |
| 12:57.54 | phix | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:58.15 | Groenleer | abrotman, i am not sure, i can't figure it out, |
| 12:58.18 | abrotman | badbyte: generally, i would create a subdir ~/cvs_projects/ and then do my cvs checkouts there .. but yes, you probably want to init the server (probably done at install time) before you do a co or antything |
| 12:58.27 | Groenleer | not sure they compiled it from source on the other debian box. |
| 12:58.34 | phix | It mounts your encrypted shares at login using your login password, and un mounts then on log off |
| 12:58.37 | phix | it is great |
| 12:58.51 | phix | encrypted shares / files / hard drives |
| 12:59.14 | petemc | Groenleer: looks like the fmirror package was removed from debian |
| 12:59.17 | eni23 | phix, ck01: the main problem is that this pc is used by other users who dont know what a terminal is and some have to access this data too. so it need to be graphical |
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| 12:59.38 | HackeMate | hello, my dhcpd is giving an ip address to a mac address that is not in dhcpd.conf |
| 12:59.46 | HackeMate | how can i kickout that mac |
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| 13:00.02 | HackeMate | the assigned ip should be given to other mac that cant conect because of that steal |
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| 13:00.49 | Groenleer | petemc, any tips for an ftp mirroring tool? |
| 13:00.58 | Groenleer | I need to sync an ftp periodic... |
| 13:01.06 | HackeMate | dhcpd.log http://pastebin.com/AskrUycx dhcpd.conf http://pastebin.com/ZP5dx02Q |
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| 13:02.01 | petemc | Groenleer: not something ive done, but perhaps mount the ftp share with fuse and use rsync - thats off the top of my head, probably better ways to do it etc |
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| 13:02.43 | abrotman | mirror in what way? to use as a mirror, or just to have the files? |
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| 13:09.07 | Groenleer | abrotman, i need to distribute files on one central server over 25 other servers |
| 13:09.25 | Groenleer | so i need to mirror one directory to 25 other systems |
| 13:09.39 | abrotman | please tell me the original mirror isn't a debian mirror ... |
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| 13:15.21 | Groenleer | abrotman, no the original 'upstream' server is one of our own boxes. |
| 13:15.29 | Groenleer | I am not mirroring a debian mirror. |
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| 13:16.23 | kW_ | Hello! Does anybody know whether it is possible to install a package which is available only as a file (not as part of a repository) but to automatically install all dependencies of that file from a repository? |
| 13:16.46 | petemc | kW_: gdebi can do that, or run aptitude -f install after trying dpkg -i |
| 13:16.54 | petemc | assuming the deps are available |
| 13:18.27 | abrotman | Groenleer: apt-cache search ftp mirror .. shows a few packages |
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| 13:22.05 | kW_ | petemc: thank you: however, "aptitude -f install" wants to remove the "offending" package, while "apt-get -f install" wants to install the missing dependencies :-) |
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| 13:24.10 | abrotman | kW_: if you say 'n' to the first solution, the next solution installst eh deps |
| 13:24.23 | wessly | exit |
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| 13:59.55 | jelly | !emdebian |
| 13:59.55 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 14:00.16 | jelly | melchior: try the project channel (note -- different irc network) |
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| 14:00.55 | deever | hi |
| 14:02.01 | deever | anyone here able to start gvim from gnome (or xfce) menu in squeeze? |
| 14:02.14 | melchior | jelly: which network ? do you know ? |
| 14:02.28 | jelly | melchior: read what dpkg said above. |
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| 14:02.50 | melchior | jelly: oh didn't see, thank you |
| 14:03.52 | deever | i'm getting (in .xsession-errors): gvim: error while loading shared libraries: libgpm.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 14:04.52 | deever | although in ldd `which gvim`, no libgpm.so.1 is listed, but libgpm.so.2 instead |
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| 14:05.07 | deever | starting from a terminal works perfectly... |
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| 14:12.36 | The_Compiler | heya. I need to configure a PenMount (DMC9000) touchscreen on a Debian Squeeze. I installed xserver-xorg-input-penmount, and dd if=/dev/ttyS3 shows me some stuff when I touch the screen. However, I don't get how I can use the touchscreen to actually move the mouse now. |
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| 14:16.09 | hanibanaa | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.42 | petemc | !squeeze volatile |
| 14:16.42 | dpkg | The Debian <Volatile> archive is discontinued starting from Debian 6.0, replaced by the squeeze-updates suite on official mirrors. Your squeeze sources.list could have "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free". http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110215 . Not to be confused with <squeeze/updates>, ask me about <security>. |
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| 14:18.04 | abrotman | he probably wants lenny volatile ? |
| 14:18.11 | abrotman | judd: versions clamav |
| 14:18.13 | judd | Package clamav on i386 -- lenny: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; lenny-security: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; lenny-volatile: 0.96.5+dfsg-1~volatile1; squeeze: 0.96.5+dfsg-1.1; sid: 0.97+dfsg-1; wheezy: 0.97+dfsg-1 |
| 14:18.27 | abrotman | and the new ones aren't in squeeze either |
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| 14:19.44 | Weust` | hi guys, i've added a repo in sources.list and it wanted to update php5-gd |
| 14:20.07 | Weust` | i decided to not intall, but now php5-gd seems stuck at status: "Status: deinstall ok unpacked" |
| 14:20.22 | themill | "added a repo" .... *shudder* |
| 14:20.24 | Weust` | dpkg -l | grep php5gd shows rU |
| 14:20.24 | dpkg | ii | grep php5gd shows rU 3.9-11.3 weust`'s private stamp collection |
| 14:21.36 | stew | guesses the dreaded dotdeb |
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| 14:22.20 | themill | Weust`: perhaps you could pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy php5-gd php5" |
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| 14:24.00 | abrotman | uh oh .. he used dotdeb |
| 14:24.27 | hanibanaa | petemc: I added it to sources.list and updated. But it tells "No candidate version found for clamav..." |
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| 14:24.43 | hanibanaa | it seems like its for sqeeze. |
| 14:24.49 | hanibanaa | not lenny. |
| 14:24.51 | petemc | hanibanaa: as abrotman noticed, i didnt really read your question, sorry |
| 14:25.01 | abrotman | hanibanaa: lenny-volatile and squeeze have 0.96, not 0.97 |
| 14:25.16 | Weust` | themill: http://pastebin.com/XpfQx05k |
| 14:25.38 | abrotman | themill: can i get a cookie? |
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| 14:25.49 | themill | !cookie stew |
| 14:25.51 | dpkg | spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... rfc1659... Definitions of Managed Objects for RS-232-like Hardware Devices using SMIv2. B. Stewart. July 1994. (Format: TXT=36479 bytes) (Obsoletes RFC1317) (Status: DRAFT STANDARD) |
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| 14:26.05 | stew | abrotman: you can have my cookie above |
| 14:26.06 | themill | abrotman: are you sure you want one of them? |
| 14:26.06 | abrotman | i'm not stew? |
| 14:26.21 | hanibanaa | ok thank you. |
| 14:26.22 | abrotman | wants his own cookie! |
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| 14:26.29 | stew | abrotman: i guessed first! |
| 14:26.39 | abrotman | oh, missed it .. |
| 14:26.45 | abrotman | lets stew keep the cookie |
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| 14:27.10 | themill | both plesk and dotdeb. Where could it possibly go wrong? |
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| 14:27.47 | anddam | hi |
| 14:28.10 | anddam | is there a way to automatically fetch dependencies when I'm using 'dpkg -i'? |
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| 14:28.56 | themill | anddam: yes; use apt-get or aptitude. |
| 14:29.01 | Weust` | themill: ive added dotdeb but i wanted to remove that |
| 14:29.11 | anddam | themill: so I grep missing packages and install those with apt |
| 14:29.11 | Weust` | themill: sources.list doesn't have those entries anymore |
| 14:29.56 | Weust` | themill: i just want apt/dpkg to forget about dotdeb |
| 14:30.03 | themill | Weust`: backup config files for php and apache then "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" is usually the best approach. Manually bring the changes you need back into the configuration system after reinstalling the debian packages. |
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| 14:30.33 | themill | anddam: no, "dpkg -i foo.deb; apt-get -f install" or "dpkg -i foo.deb; aptitude install foo" will both work. |
| 14:30.33 | stew | then watch as he gets "reinstall required, but could not find a source" :) |
| 14:30.38 | Weust` | themill: i aborted the installation because it said it would remove some plesk stuff, will it touch that now ? |
| 14:30.46 | themill | stew: yeah... hoping not to see that |
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| 14:31.01 | themill | Weust`: I don't know anything about plesk and would like to keep it that way. |
| 14:31.10 | Weust` | i'm forced too... |
| 14:31.37 | stew | Weust`: what happens whatn you run "aptitude install php5-gd=5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9" ? |
| 14:31.40 | themill | my sympathy |
| 14:31.42 | abrotman | plesk and dotdeb .. what could go wrong :) |
| 14:31.45 | stew | ^whatn^when |
| 14:32.02 | anddam | themill: that's what I read, but I get this instead http://pastesite.com/22041 |
| 14:32.14 | Weust` | "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" wil purge every dotdeb package ? |
| 14:32.42 | stew | Weust`: that's the goal, i'd recommend remove instead of purge |
| 14:32.58 | Weust` | i'll give it a shot |
| 14:32.58 | themill | Weust`: as long as they still use dotdeb in the version string, yes. (they ued to) |
| 14:33.29 | themill | stew: I wanted to get rid of their crappy config files too :) hence "back up the config files first" |
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| 14:33.37 | Weust` | themill: aptitude isn't installed can this be done with apt-get remove ~Vdotdeb ? |
| 14:33.46 | themill | no |
| 14:34.34 | themill | anddam: I'm not seeing that "apt-get -f install" or similar hadn't fixed that problem |
| 14:34.57 | Weust` | themill: i cant install aptitude, http://pastebin.com/129ibE2L |
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| 14:35.28 | abrotman | did you try apt-get -f install ? |
| 14:35.29 | nkuttler | Weust`: nice. did you try the suggestion? |
| 14:35.37 | Weust` | the force ? |
| 14:35.53 | themill | not "force", "fix". |
| 14:36.04 | abrotman | maybe oyu need a man apt-get too :( |
| 14:36.16 | themill | (horrible rpm habits) |
| 14:36.19 | Weust` | i know apt-get in its basics :s |
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| 14:37.35 | stew | judd: depends aptitude --release lenny |
| 14:37.35 | judd | Package aptitude -- depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6, libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcwidget3, libept0 (>= 0.5.22), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libncursesw5 (>= 5.6+20071006-3), libsigc++-2.0-0c2a (>= 2.0.2), libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1), libxapian15, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4). |
| 14:37.40 | Weust` | themill: this is what is keeping me from proceeding: http://pastebin.com/E4hF8SP2 , i'm afraid to remove that plesk-core and stuff |
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| 14:38.05 | stew | ah, nm me I was misreading rmadison output |
| 14:38.38 | themill | stew: I'm still slightly disturbed as to why apt was claiming that those aptitude deps couldn't be found |
| 14:38.53 | Weust` | is there a way i can keep this plesk-core so it just uninstalls php5gd and doesn't touch plesk |
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| 14:39.13 | stew | Weust`: do you have the source of the plesk packages? |
| 14:39.27 | stew | Weust`: (the answer is going to end up being "not easily" |
| 14:39.30 | Weust` | no this server was installed like this |
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| 14:39.44 | scoobertron | when copying/rsyncing large files over nfs my desktop environment (awesome) locks up. I can access virtual terminals fine, and the system doesn't seem to be under load. any ideas what is happening? |
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| 14:41.02 | Weust` | stew, plesk is in the source.list, but i don't know its licensing methods |
| 14:41.58 | nkuttler | Weust`: why do you think you need plesk? |
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| 14:42.13 | stew | i think this is going to have to go the nasty route of reinstating the nasty dotdeb reps, and force-dep the install of the -gd package, just so it can be removed again, so that we can get rid of dotdeb |
| 14:42.19 | stew | but that's a mess |
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| 14:42.50 | Weust` | nkuttler: its not my server, if it was i did apache manual |
| 14:42.57 | Weust` | nkuttler: its from the company i work for |
| 14:43.00 | nkuttler | i see :/ |
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| 14:43.22 | skorv | anyway to shorten "Wireless Network(intel pro/wireless 3945abg [golan])" from network-manager-applet? |
| 14:43.27 | Weust` | the question is, if this apt-get -f install removes those packages, can i just reinstall it... |
| 14:45.39 | hid3 | Hello everyone. How do I prepare a targeted INITRD image after a linux-image installation? |
| 14:45.53 | anddam | themill: right, I somehow expected a clean output from 'dpkg -i' |
| 14:45.59 | abrotman | skorv: you mean the textual description ? |
| 14:46.13 | anddam | apt is fetching everything it needs now |
| 14:46.26 | themill | anddam: not at all; there are missing dependencies so it wants to have a good whinge about them. |
| 14:46.34 | themill | anddam: excellent. |
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| 14:53.55 | anddam | creating a package in stable from a package that is in sid is backporting, isn't it? |
| 14:54.04 | petemc | yes |
| 14:54.19 | rdz | hi all. i'm going to upgrade my lenny machine to squeeze. what is rather recommended: apt-get dist-upgrade or aptitude full-upgrade ? |
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| 14:54.34 | petemc | rdz: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 14:54.40 | rdz | petemc, thanks |
| 14:54.42 | anddam | rdz: I've done it, read dpkg instructions |
| 14:55.09 | anddam | I mean it was different than sarge->lenny |
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| 14:56.05 | rdz | anddam, different but still quite straigh-forward.. thanks for the help |
| 14:56.48 | Siegfried | iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -i eth0 --dport 555 -j DNAT --to 149.20.20.133:80 <-- isn't this supposed to redirect port 555 to kernel.org IP ? |
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| 15:00.37 | anddam | what does "stable-backports has packages from packages the current 'testing' release;" mean? |
| 15:00.49 | anddam | it's from backports-sloppy instructions |
| 15:01.47 | stew | anddam: stable-backports is packages from the testing release which were recompiled in a stable build environment so that they would have dependencies on packages in stable instead of testing |
| 15:02.17 | stew | anddam: -sloppy indicates that they might not be from testing, and therefore could cause upgrade problems when upgrading from the current stable to the next |
| 15:02.24 | anddam | I meant if the grammar of that phrase is correct |
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| 15:04.16 | stew | anddam: it has corect grammer, however the sentence in which you quoted is misworded so that you didn't ask the question you intended to ask |
| 15:04.21 | stew | grammar* |
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| 15:04.47 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 15:07.36 | sled-dog | what x86 chip does debian target ? 586? 686? |
| 15:07.50 | stew | sled-dog: 486 |
| 15:07.56 | sled-dog | fair enough |
| 15:08.23 | stew | sled-dog: however there are kernels available in that arch which target 686 and amd64 |
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| 15:09.04 | sled-dog | yeah |
| 15:09.15 | sled-dog | I'm trying to put this on a soekris box |
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| 15:14.37 | anddam | sled-dog: soekris low models are 486 IIRC |
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| 15:14.59 | sled-dog | yeah, that or 586 |
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| 15:15.50 | anddam | no enlightenment backports |
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| 15:16.27 | anddam | how can I list all packages in bdo? |
| 15:16.57 | anddam | a search with empty string is not valid |
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| 15:17.42 | themill | !bpo contents |
| 15:17.42 | dpkg | To see a list of packages that are available to you from Debian Backports, first add backports.debian.org to your sources (ask me about <debian-backports>) then "aptitude search ~Vbpo". To determine installed Debian Backports packages, ask me about <bdo list>. |
| 15:18.12 | anddam | I thought there was a way via web |
| 15:18.25 | anddam | on a different topic aptitude just returned Current status: 0 broken [-1]. |
| 15:18.44 | anddam | still the exit code was 0, what does that [-1] mean? |
| 15:18.58 | themill | 1 less than it used to be (this is a good thing) |
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| 15:19.16 | anddam | roger that |
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| 15:23.10 | anddam | is there an umbrella package for xorg xserver-xorg ? |
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| 15:23.27 | petemc | xorg |
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| 15:29.38 | r3c4ll_ | anddam, excuse my ignorance... what is an umbrella package? |
| 15:30.25 | stew | r3c4ll_: we assumed he meant: http://wiki.debian.org/metapackage |
| 15:31.21 | r3c4ll_ | stew, thanks ;) |
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| 15:47.12 | cdave | hello, i get this error from my server, "exim paniclog has non-zero size" |
| 15:47.32 | cdave | and following lines in /var/log/exim4/paniclog |
| 15:47.40 | cdave | 1PuD5K-0001tO-4Y failed to open /dev/null: Permission denied (euid=101 egid=103) |
| 15:47.52 | cdave | anyone can give me some pointers please |
| 15:48.15 | cdave | on debian 5.0.4 |
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| 15:50.22 | anddam | stew: I did |
| 15:50.28 | katsrc | what's a good password manager? |
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| 15:52.32 | Pinchiukas | I get this output from sensors-detect: http://pastebin.com/iHy4T7ph . Does this mean I won't be able to see the temperatures? |
| 15:53.04 | pixie79 | Hi all, if i setup a local debian repo for my local packages, can i get apt to access it with a username/password? |
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| 15:58.27 | hid3 | Pinchiukas: unfortunately it seems so. I have the same problem on IBM x235 machine... |
| 15:58.46 | hid3 | BIOS sees the temperatures but sensors-detect can't find any sensors |
| 15:59.05 | Pinchiukas | I saw temperatures in Windows in SpeedFan, though. |
| 15:59.45 | e7th04sh | Hello, when i play certain flash games or use dosbox, my computer crashes. X seems to be killed, i see the shell from which it was invoked plus mouse pointer. If there was audio it goes into a short loop. If i am on skype, it ceases to work. f i restart computer immedietaly, i am warned that CPU temperature is above treshold. Any help? |
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| 16:00.53 | e7th04sh | Is it a 'desired' behaviour, in that computer prevents my CPU from melting, or is that a problem with downscaling the cpu clock? |
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| 16:01.25 | bubak | e7th04sh: flash or even dosbox may cause your cpu to work at 100%, in such a cases thermal output is high, so kernel will switch it off -- see the system log |
| 16:02.01 | e7th04sh | bubak how do i check the system log and what do i look for? |
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| 16:02.21 | bubak | e7th04sh: anyway, this is hardly desired behaviour. i would try to look at acpi version, your chipset, and try to ggogle for some problems |
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| 16:03.21 | e7th04sh | bubak could it be that kernel attempts to slow down the cpu and that causes a crash? |
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| 16:05.52 | bubak | look for "Critical temperature reached (...), shutting down, /var/log/kern.log |
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| 16:07.05 | Avasz | can I ask about modified debian here? |
| 16:07.23 | abrotman | modified in what way? |
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| 16:07.47 | hid3 | Anyone backported sid kernel to squeeze yet? |
| 16:07.55 | Avasz | abrotman: modified so that it will boot in a different pc. |
| 16:08.13 | Avasz | and only in that... but everything else is same afaik. |
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| 16:08.52 | abrotman | hid3: you? |
| 16:09.01 | abrotman | Avasz: you mean a custom kernel ? |
| 16:09.02 | e7th04sh | bubak: no such line |
| 16:09.10 | hid3 | not yet! I always run a custom kernel |
| 16:09.14 | Avasz | abrotman: i guess that would be right word. |
| 16:09.45 | e7th04sh | if the output to that file is not too verbose, i might create a copy of it and run a test crash |
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| 16:09.59 | hid3 | but this time I had a new (to me) machine and my custom kernel crashed. However, I have patched it with BFQ before. So I need to figure out if the crash was related to BFQ, tg3 drivers or anything else |
| 16:10.08 | e7th04sh | then compare for what was added, do you think that could be helpful in determining the problem? i really need to play some wolf 3d :D |
| 16:10.36 | Avasz | yes it is custom kernel debian. |
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| 16:11.38 | themill | hid3: sid's kernel is quite installable on squeeze at present (the sid kernel is usually installable on stable, but sometimes changes to the userspace interfaces cause you issues; I've not found any so far running it on two different machines) |
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| 16:12.13 | bubak | e7th04sh: use only 'Critical temperature', the rest may be custom |
| 16:12.29 | hid3 | themill: maybe you happen to have Broadcom network adapters in any of those machines? (those use tg3 driver) |
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| 16:12.42 | e7th04sh | bubak i grepped for down and critical |
| 16:13.29 | themill | hid3: no... no squeeze tg3 stuff around here. .o0( I've got a box running etch that does though ) |
| 16:13.30 | e7th04sh | now i tried temperature, all i get is it ocassionally said that it's above treshold, and that it's throtlling down |
| 16:13.43 | e7th04sh | Temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 1) |
| 16:14.52 | hid3 | well, etch is a different story... |
| 16:15.19 | hid3 | so sad, now I'm forced to run a distribution generic kernel to save me from some grey hair :( |
| 16:15.35 | hid3 | I really started to like BFQ and 'delaylog' option in XFS |
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| 16:18.47 | dr_traktor | Hey. I downloaded a .deb package but I cant just install it by simply calling dpkg, cause it has a dozens of dependencies. |
| 16:18.57 | dr_traktor | So how do I automaticall install the dependencies required by the package? |
| 16:18.58 | bubak | e7th04sh: no more ideas here |
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| 16:19.27 | Lalloz | what is the best way to open a rar file in debian? should i enable multiverse to install unrar or are there other ways? |
| 16:19.40 | somiaj | dr_traktor: you could try apt-get -f install [see if it will try to fix that], if not just apt-get install the dependencies (if they are in your repos) |
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| 16:19.50 | robokop | Lalloz: ubuntu? multiverse? |
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| 16:20.09 | Lalloz | i have a debian running on a dockstar with just cli |
| 16:20.14 | somiaj | dr_traktor: if you downloaded a deb that requires newer versions of your core libs, then you shouldn't install that deb, because you don't want to break your stable system for a single deb. |
| 16:20.23 | Lalloz | apt-get install unrar returns no candidates |
| 16:20.49 | dr_traktor | somiaj: Well you should take into account that i only installed this system for this program. |
| 16:20.58 | somiaj | dr_traktor: what program? |
| 16:21.02 | dr_traktor | calibre |
| 16:21.08 | somiaj | dr_traktor: where did you get the deb? what version was the deb compiled against? |
| 16:21.18 | dr_traktor | http://packages.debian.org/sid/calibre |
| 16:21.25 | somiaj | Lalloz: unrar is the 'non-free' version, you need the non-free sources enabled for that |
| 16:21.29 | dr_traktor | its dev stuff |
| 16:21.33 | dr_traktor | and i have simple debian |
| 16:21.35 | somiaj | dr_traktor: and are you running a 'stable' system? |
| 16:21.38 | dr_traktor | yes |
| 16:21.44 | bolt | Lalloz: just add contrib and non-free to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:22.02 | Lalloz | somiaj: is there a free version? |
| 16:22.04 | somiaj | dr_traktor: you won't be able to install a sid deb on a stable with out breaking it |
| 16:22.12 | somiaj | Lalloz: unrar-free 'apt-cache search unrar' showed me that |
| 16:22.14 | dr_traktor | ill risk breaking it |
| 16:22.32 | dr_traktor | just tell me how to get the dependencies automaticall without typing them one by one into aptitude install |
| 16:22.37 | somiaj | dr_traktor: if you don't know how to deal with depenendicie issues, breaking your system is probabaly not the best idea, look for backports |
| 16:22.41 | Lalloz | thx, strange i ran just apt-cache search rar |
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| 16:22.57 | somiaj | dr_traktor: as I said you do not want to mix libs/versions and expect your system to function. |
| 16:23.40 | somiaj | dr_traktor: are you running squeeze or still on old-stable lenny |
| 16:23.52 | somiaj | dr_traktor: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=calibre -- there is a stable version of that you can just apt-get install |
| 16:23.52 | dr_traktor | somiaj: Okay, lets suppose I have downloaded a package meant for stable Debian. It has dependencies. How do I install the dependencies of that .deb file supposing all of them are available in the repo except for the .deb file. |
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| 16:24.18 | somiaj | dr_traktor: you shoouldn't have to do that in this case. You should just have to 'apt-get install calibre' and be fine |
| 16:24.28 | dr_traktor | somiaj: Well thats awesome. I just couldnt find it within aptitude. |
| 16:24.35 | dr_traktor | but its not finding calibre |
| 16:24.40 | seeker7 | what is the command line to delete programs from a debian system |
| 16:24.45 | somiaj | dr_traktor: well as I said are you running lenny or squeeze? |
| 16:24.50 | dr_traktor | lenny i think |
| 16:25.02 | somiaj | seeker7: apt-get remove, dpkg -r |
| 16:25.06 | robokop | seeker7: apt-get remove or aptitude remove |
| 16:25.08 | kootoomootoo | How can i resize partition in use? i use gparted 0.3.8, i want to move/copy my home folder on new partition |
| 16:25.09 | themill | ,versions calibre |
| 16:25.10 | judd | Package calibre on i386 -- squeeze: 0.7.7+dfsg-1squeeze1; sid: 0.7.44+dfsg-1; wheezy: 0.7.44+dfsg-1 |
| 16:25.12 | dr_traktor | somiaj: its the first link on the debian.org homepage :S |
| 16:25.18 | somiaj | dr_traktor: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 16:25.31 | seeker7 | ok thanks robokop |
| 16:25.33 | themill | dr_traktor: no, the first link on the debian homepage is squeeze. |
| 16:25.33 | somiaj | dr_traktor: I'd update to squeeze, it just recentally went stable |
| 16:26.16 | dr_traktor | somiaj: Linux debian 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 |
| 16:26.18 | dr_traktor | Is this lenny? |
| 16:26.21 | dr_traktor | This is what I have. |
| 16:26.22 | The_Ball | I would like to recompile the Debian kernel with CONFIG_HZ=1000 instead of the default 250 in V6. What is the best way to do that? |
| 16:26.35 | nork | dr_traktor, 2.6.26 was the standard kernel in lenny, yes |
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| 16:26.47 | dr_traktor | Okay, thanksalot. |
| 16:27.16 | somiaj | dr_traktor: no that is a kernel, that is not the version of debian you have installed, what does 'cat /etc/debian_version' tell you? |
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| 16:27.33 | somiaj | dr_traktor: but yea listen to nork, I don't keep track what versions are in lenny. |
| 16:27.46 | dr_traktor | somiaj: 5.0.8 |
| 16:27.54 | dr_traktor | I can see that the homepage has 6.0.0 now |
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| 16:28.03 | Sevet | is there a way to check whether you need to do a reboot to pick up an upgraded kernel package? checkrestart doesn't spot it |
| 16:28.13 | somiaj | dr_traktor: so do what I said, /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze, then you should be able to apitude install your program. |
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| 16:28.33 | somiaj | Sevet: compare the version in uname -a, to the kernel installed on your system |
| 16:28.45 | somiaj | Sevet: if the kernel has been updated you'll see it in the version differences. |
| 16:29.05 | LarsTorben | hello |
| 16:29.14 | dr_traktor | somiaj: All right, thank you. |
| 16:29.21 | LarsTorben | somebody knows if testing has 2.6.37 kernel ? |
| 16:29.47 | somiaj | LarsTorben: packages.debian.org/<package name> will |
| 16:29.47 | themill | dpkg: tell LarsTorben about search |
| 16:30.05 | themill | LarsTorben: you can also "/msg judd kernels" |
| 16:30.19 | LarsTorben | dpkg: tell themill what ?? |
| 16:30.24 | LarsTorben | ok |
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| 16:30.29 | Sevet | somiaj: that doesn't handle where a kernel version is rebuilt though... i.e. it returns 2.6.26-2 (in the package name) but not 2.6.26-26lenny2 (the package version) |
| 16:30.51 | deever | anyone here able to start gvim from gnome (or xfce) menu in squeeze? |
| 16:30.54 | Sevet | or will that package name always update when the version updates? |
| 16:31.06 | deever | i'm getting (in .xsession-errors): gvim: error while loading shared libraries: libgpm.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 16:31.14 | LarsTorben | should i debian or ubuntu |
| 16:31.16 | LarsTorben | for desktop pc |
| 16:31.18 | deever | although in ldd `which gvim`, no libgpm.so.1 is listed, but libgpm.so.2 instead |
| 16:31.24 | deever | starting from a terminal works perfectly... |
| 16:31.41 | Sevet | (i want to automate this as a cronjob so the sysadmin gets an email if the server hasn't been rebooted to get the new kernel) |
| 16:31.49 | themill | LarsTorben: you're in #debian ... take a guess at what we're going to suggest. |
| 16:32.13 | LarsTorben | but ubuntu is debian too |
| 16:32.16 | deever | LarsTorben: use ubuntu |
| 16:32.17 | LarsTorben | i thought |
| 16:32.21 | somiaj | Sevet: it should, kernels are given unique names so when you isntall the new kernel, you don't overwrite the old kernels modules, etc making the current running system possibaly have problems. Though I also don't suggest running updates (even security updates) from cron. |
| 16:32.23 | deever | *hide* |
| 16:32.25 | Zao | LarsTorben: Ubuntu is debian perverted :D |
| 16:32.29 | LarsTorben | ah |
| 16:32.30 | LarsTorben | ok |
| 16:32.33 | themill | LarsTorben: no, ubuntu is a distribution based on debian.... you'll find them in #ubuntu. |
| 16:32.38 | kootoomootoo | Why I cannot resize partition that is in use? (ext3) |
| 16:32.41 | LarsTorben | but havnet i to modify much |
| 16:32.44 | LarsTorben | if i use debian? |
| 16:32.49 | Zao | Modify what? |
| 16:32.58 | Zao | Debian is a perfectly fine desktop distribution. |
| 16:32.58 | LarsTorben | install cleartypes, install codecs and so |
| 16:33.08 | LarsTorben | kootoomootoo: you have to unmount |
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| 16:33.28 | LarsTorben | Zao: example i cant watch dvds |
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| 16:33.44 | kootoomootoo | cannot unmount a partition that is in use |
| 16:33.44 | Zao | LarsTorben: The subpixel font rendering situation has been solved for a good while, you should only need to poke around in Gnome/KDE's appearance preferences. |
| 16:33.50 | somiaj | Sevet: if the system admin is on the DSFG, he should be getting emails about security updates, which will tell him a kernel has been updated. Would that be enough? |
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| 16:34.00 | Zao | LarsTorben: As for DVD codecs, they may be in non-free or contrib or something. |
| 16:34.05 | pinkisntwell | how can i revert to lenny's grub? ever since I ran upgrade-from-grub-legacy my system is unbootable, i need to boot off a cd |
| 16:34.08 | Zao | None of my debian boxen have optical drives :D |
| 16:34.31 | Zao | LarsTorben: Pick whichever OS that makes you feel good. |
| 16:34.34 | LarsTorben | Zao: that i meant |
| 16:34.37 | LarsTorben | but i can use debian hehe |
| 16:34.38 | Zao | LarsTorben: You can always test them out in VMs, maybe? |
| 16:34.40 | kootoomootoo | I tried a ubuntu cd but it don't recognize the partition |
| 16:34.44 | Zao | prefers Windows. |
| 16:34.46 | LarsTorben | yes i tested all @zao, cant decide |
| 16:35.09 | Zao | Personally, I use Debian for my netbook, Fedora for my desktop. |
| 16:35.12 | Sevet | somiaj: it's more to check whether it's a step that's been missed, i already get notified of updates from apticron |
| 16:35.16 | LarsTorben | okay |
| 16:35.19 | LarsTorben | question: |
| 16:35.25 | LarsTorben | should i take stable or teeting |
| 16:35.26 | LarsTorben | testing |
| 16:35.31 | themill | LarsTorben: stable. |
| 16:35.37 | LarsTorben | ok |
| 16:35.37 | LarsTorben | he |
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| 16:36.16 | DAVID______ | Hi guys. Sorry to just drop in & ask for help. I rebooted today and now I have no sound (I've check `alsamixer' and everything seems normal). How can I troubleshoot this and get it working again? How do I check if ALSA is the default sound system (I *had* PulseAudio installed and I believe I have OSS installed)? MPD/Flash/etc. has no audio. Thanks. |
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| 16:36.55 | Zao | LarsTorben: Unless you think you need most of testing, stable. |
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| 16:37.05 | LarsTorben | okay hehe |
| 16:37.32 | Zao | If there's individual packages you need, you can always pull them in from testing/unstable/experimental/wherever. |
| 16:37.40 | Zao | (I run an experimental kernel on a testing box) |
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| 16:38.21 | somiaj | Sevet: I can't think of any automatic way to do such things, but afiak (I compile my own kernels), each kernel upgrade should be given its own version name you can compare to the running kernel. But I could be mistaken here, something you could test/look into |
| 16:38.35 | cahoot | DAVID______: what is the result of speaker-test -t wav -c2 ? |
| 16:38.40 | LarsTorben | question: |
| 16:38.44 | LarsTorben | i have an GREEN harddrive |
| 16:38.50 | LarsTorben | is it better than to use another ? |
| 16:38.56 | LarsTorben | because green limites the systme |
| 16:38.56 | somiaj | Zao: one probabaly shouldn't pull indvidual packages from foo onto a stable system and expect it to be stable, that is what backports are for. |
| 16:39.05 | themill | LarsTorben, Zao: for individual packages, you'd pull them from backports rather than from some release other than stable. |
| 16:39.25 | Zao | somiaj/themill: I guess. |
| 16:39.26 | DAVID______ | cahoot: It claims to be playing, but I hear nothing. For the record, my headphones aren't broken (just in case that's going to be a suggestion). |
| 16:39.35 | Zao | I don't know how to use a Debian system, mine "Just Works". |
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| 16:40.09 | cahoot | DAVID______: at least no error msg I take it. Run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 16:40.21 | somiaj | Zao: its not the actual software that is the issue, its just that its compiled against testing/unstable libaries, which means dependencies, and upgrading the core libs for a single package is not only dangerous for a stable system, unesscary. |
| 16:40.35 | DAVID______ | cahoot: `Resetting ALSA card 0...done.' -- still no sound. |
| 16:40.41 | somiaj | Zao: a backport is that newer software package compiled against stables libaries. |
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| 16:40.47 | Zao | LarsTorben: Your system will probably run at decent speed, green drives are not as horrible as they seem. |
| 16:40.55 | cahoot | DAVID______: cat /proc/asound/cards - only one? |
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| 16:41.15 | Sevet | larstorben: your system should be fine as a average desktop |
| 16:41.28 | LarsTorben | i have got an non green too |
| 16:41.32 | LarsTorben | i could switch |
| 16:41.34 | LarsTorben | but is needed ? |
| 16:41.38 | Sevet | green drives'll only make a difference if you're doing a lot of i/o intensive stuff (video editing, database etc) |
| 16:41.46 | DAVID______ | cahoot: Yes, only one (listed as `0 [Audigy2 ]: Audigy2 - SB Audigy 2 [SB0350b]' with some other info. such as a serial no. underneath). Thanks for the help so far, by the way. |
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| 16:42.18 | Sevet | even gaming won't use the hard drive that much, that's more about your cpu+gpu than your hdd |
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| 16:43.16 | Zao | LarsTorben: It'll be just fine. |
| 16:43.25 | cahoot | DAVID______: run alsamixer - toggle analog/digital output |
| 16:43.31 | somiaj | just make sure you have enough ram so you aren't using swap, but that usually isn't that big of an issue with current ram prices. |
| 16:43.34 | LarsTorben | what ??? @ zao |
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| 16:43.59 | Zao | LarsTorben: OS on a "green" drive. |
| 16:44.04 | LarsTorben | ok |
| 16:44.05 | LarsTorben | he |
| 16:44.05 | Zao | I've done that for years. |
| 16:44.09 | LarsTorben | yes |
| 16:44.10 | LarsTorben | okay |
| 16:44.29 | DAVID______ | cahoot: I don't see anywhere to do this in alsamixer. |
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| 16:44.54 | DAVID______ | cahoot: I found it and it works. |
| 16:45.15 | DAVID______ | cahoot: Thank you very much. Do you have a PayPal? I always donate $5 to people that help me out, regardless of how simple/complex it was. |
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| 16:46.09 | cahoot | no need - I'm well paid at my job |
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| 16:46.21 | DAVID______ | Okay, well, regardless, thank you very much. |
| 16:46.24 | DAVID______ | Have a nice day, #debian. |
| 16:46.49 | dxr | Hi, can somebody explain what is it? http://pastebin.com/zGFxMt1N |
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| 16:51.53 | andygraybeal | is there still support for debian lenny? i see that it is obsolete. |
| 16:52.37 | Sevet | it's not the latest release, but is still supported for at least a year |
| 16:52.49 | andygraybeal | hm.. okay thank you sevet |
| 16:53.21 | robokop | andygraybeal: it will get security updates, but tech support in the channel is mostly in the line of apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:53.24 | Sevet | http://www.debian.org/security/faq#lifespan |
| 16:53.40 | andygraybeal | i plan on installing a mail server this year and my kvm hosting company uses debian lenny as a choice. do you think this is a good choice? or should i find another company? |
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| 16:54.01 | andygraybeal | thank you robokop and sevet |
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| 16:55.06 | andygraybeal | i will try dist-upgrade and see how my luck fairs. |
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| 16:55.17 | robokop | andygraybeal: ask them if they plan on supporting squeeze anytime soon, this is a real possibility because squeeze isn't out for too long yet |
| 16:55.48 | andygraybeal | thank you robokop |
| 16:55.59 | Sevet | it's stable and still gets security updates... likely they're already working on updating to squeeze but they'll probably not offer it until they've tested it first, and squeeze has only been out a few weeks |
| 16:56.26 | andygraybeal | aah only a few weeks. |
| 16:56.27 | andygraybeal | thank you |
| 16:56.31 | robokop | Sevet: +1 |
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| 17:00.27 | RichiH | is there a way to run a cron job at every hour, but not at 18:00? |
| 17:00.38 | RichiH | can obviously write a small wrapper, but maybe there's a way |
| 17:00.52 | cahoot | comma separated list? |
| 17:00.57 | RichiH | that works? |
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| 17:02.07 | RichiH | wow, seems it does |
| 17:02.10 | RichiH | never knew |
| 17:02.12 | cahoot | the man page seems to indicate that |
| 17:02.16 | RichiH | thanks |
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| 17:03.13 | RichiH | ah, man 5 crontab |
| 17:03.54 | RichiH | oh, 1-17 works, too |
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| 17:05.29 | RichiH | cahoot: ta |
| 17:07.22 | sedulous | Is there a dedicated GSoC channel for Debian? |
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| 17:09.17 | dxr | Hi, can somebody explain what is it? http://pastebin.com/zGFxMt1N |
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| 17:10.23 | babilen | dxr: someone rot13ed your logs (sorry, no idea) |
| 17:10.32 | dxr | :( |
| 17:10.33 | rubberneck | why do I get a permissions error when I "echo 'nothing' | /dev/null" as root? |
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| 17:10.54 | sedulous | weird |
| 17:10.55 | babilen | dxr: Looks like iptables output though |
| 17:11.09 | dxr | the problem is when i enable iptables logs |
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| 17:11.29 | dxr | only happen in debian squeeze |
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| 17:14.28 | themill | rubberneck: /dev/null is not an executable. |
| 17:15.00 | babilen | rubberneck: If you want to redirect input to /dev/null use ">" |
| 17:15.50 | babilen | 1/j #gtk |
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| 17:18.20 | atan | When I install MySQL+Apache+PHP using apt on one server it works fine. When I try to install mysql on a seperate box, PHP says Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 113 |
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| 17:18.52 | atan | I can use a desktop MySQL client to connect to the server so I feel that's not the issue. |
| 17:19.01 | atan | Why is the Apache-PHP box hateful? |
| 17:19.08 | gratnam1__ | where is the crontab file located |
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| 17:19.56 | babilen | gratnam1__: /etc/crontab or what is "the" crontab? |
| 17:20.27 | alimoreno | somebody using openbox on squeze? |
| 17:20.48 | stew | alimoreno: its safe to assume someone is, just ask your real question |
| 17:21.09 | gratnam1__ | when i do crontab -l it shows me this |
| 17:21.11 | gratnam1__ | 0 0 * * * /usr/local/etc/cron.d/sqlbkup.daily |
| 17:21.11 | gratnam1__ | 40 0 * * * /usr/local/etc/cron.d/wwwbkup.daily |
| 17:21.11 | gratnam1__ | [root@lamp ~]# |
| 17:21.26 | gratnam1__ | when i vi /etc/crontab i dont see that entry in there |
| 17:21.30 | stew | gratnam1__: that would come from /var/spool/cron/crontabs/$username |
| 17:21.45 | stew | atan: how are you tyring to connect? |
| 17:21.54 | gratnam1__ | okay so i want to add the same cron on another machien |
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| 17:21.57 | gratnam1__ | where do i do it |
| 17:22.56 | stew | gratnam1__: with the crontab command (man 1 crontab) |
| 17:23.01 | jhutchins_lt | gratnam1__: apropos cron, man crontab. |
| 17:23.12 | nathwill | gratnam1__: crontab -e |
| 17:23.12 | gratnam1__ | man said crontab -u user file |
| 17:23.18 | gratnam1__ | is that the way to add crontab |
| 17:23.29 | babilen | gratnam1__: "crontab -e" as the user (root in this case) or just put scripts in the appropriate /etc/cron.* directory |
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| 17:24.04 | alimoreno | I've installed OpenBox on Squeze (it's my first time using OB) and i click on ObConf on main menu but nothing happens... |
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| 17:24.24 | babilen | gratnam1__: The /etc/cron.daily/ one looks like the one you want |
| 17:24.28 | alimoreno | any other way (GUI) to configure it? |
| 17:24.31 | gratnam1__ | okay and thats it |
| 17:24.36 | gratnam1__ | i dont need to do anything else |
| 17:24.37 | stew | gratnam1__: that's the way to replace the crontab not add to it |
| 17:24.38 | gratnam1__ | ??? |
| 17:24.38 | alimoreno | or know what happen? |
| 17:25.00 | nathwill | alimoreno, what happens when you try to run obconf from cli? |
| 17:25.17 | gratnam1__ | replace what i am confused? |
| 17:25.42 | gratnam1__ | i put the file in /etc/cron.daily |
| 17:25.50 | gratnam1__ | when i do crontab -l it doesnt show |
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| 17:26.03 | babilen | gratnam1__: Anything else than what? Scripts in /etc/cron.* are executed by cron jobs in /etc/crontab via "run-parts" (or anacron if installed) |
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| 17:26.05 | alimoreno | nathwill, nothing... |
| 17:26.08 | stew | gratnam1__: crontab -l shows /var/spool/cron/crontabs/$username, not /etc/cron.daily |
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| 17:26.15 | jhutchins_lt | gratnam1__: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/ may be of help. |
| 17:26.34 | alimoreno | nathwill, is like i don't do nothing |
| 17:26.44 | babilen | gratnam1__: Just run "cat /etc/crontab" to see them |
| 17:26.46 | nathwill | alimoreno, no msg at all? doesn't tell you it's not installed, or give you an error.... whatabout "whereis obconf" from terminal? |
| 17:27.31 | nathwill | alimoreno: or "which obconf" |
| 17:27.38 | alimoreno | $ whereis obconf |
| 17:27.40 | alimoreno | obconf: |
| 17:27.52 | stew | jhutchins_lt: that's not helpful |
| 17:28.02 | nathwill | alimoreno, sounds like obconf isn't installed, try "aptitude install obconf" |
| 17:28.09 | jhutchins_lt | stew: He needs an overview of system administration. |
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| 17:28.23 | stew | jhutchins_lt: this is what you want him to read? http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/task-automation.html |
| 17:28.29 | stew | jhutchins_lt: i don't think its going to help |
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| 17:29.29 | alimoreno | nathwill, Ups :D it is installing now THNXS... i think is part of openbox package :P |
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| 17:32.02 | dEVOted | Hi.. I just installed debian, and I have two problems that have arisen. 1. If I'm logged in as a user, with su in a terminal, then I can run a gui app as root (such as synaptic). 2. I can't get any audio as a user. |
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| 17:33.05 | cahoot | dEVOted: for 1 use sux, for 2 memberof audio according to groups <user> ? |
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| 17:33.36 | dEVOted | cahoot: I just added myself to audio a few minutes ago, but still no change. |
| 17:33.43 | cahoot | logout/in |
| 17:33.50 | dEVOted | ok, brb |
| 17:33.54 | dEVOted | thx :) |
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| 17:40.16 | dEVOted | cahoot: nope, still nothing. I can use alsamixer as user now though. |
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| 17:40.45 | cahoot | dEVOted: Run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 |
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| 17:41.36 | dEVOted | cahoot: nope |
| 17:41.55 | dEVOted | cahoot: I note though, that I don't have audio as root either :S |
| 17:41.59 | cahoot | dEVOted: cat /proc/asound/cards - only one? |
| 17:42.07 | dEVOted | cahoot: I'm using mplayer to test. |
| 17:42.13 | dEVOted | cahoot: yes |
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| 17:42.37 | cahoot | dEVOted: cat /proc/asound/cards - says so? |
| 17:43.14 | deever | anyone here able to start gvim from gnome (or xfce) menu in squeeze? |
| 17:43.22 | dEVOted | cahoot: yes. HDA Intel - HDA Nvidia |
| 17:43.23 | deever | i'm getting (in .xsession-errors): gvim: error while loading shared libraries: libgpm.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 17:43.31 | deever | although in ldd `which gvim`, no libgpm.so.1 is listed, but libgpm.so.2 instead |
| 17:43.36 | deever | starting from a terminal works perfectly... |
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| 17:44.00 | stew | dEVOted: do you get an error? |
| 17:44.12 | dEVOted | stew: nope, just no audio. |
| 17:44.22 | dEVOted | tried with and without headphones. |
| 17:44.23 | stew | dEVOted: make sure master and pcm are unmuted |
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| 17:44.37 | dEVOted | stew: everything's unmuted. |
| 17:44.48 | dEVOted | except beep. |
| 17:44.51 | anddam | is there an entry for default window manager in alternatives system? |
| 17:45.16 | stew | anddam: x-window-manager |
| 17:45.24 | stew | dEVOted: can you pastebin the output of amixer? |
| 17:45.25 | anddam | I installed enlightenment and I'm starting it using enlightenment_start in ~/.xinitrc but I'm not sure it's the "debian" way |
| 17:45.35 | dEVOted | cahoot: thnks for your help btw :) |
| 17:45.43 | anddam | stew: I don't have one in x-window-manager, should I create it? |
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| 17:47.11 | stew | anddam: no, you shouldn't need to. how did you check if you had one? |
| 17:47.12 | dEVOted | stew: cahoot: wait, wait. it just started working. IDK why, but it just started working. |
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| 17:47.36 | dEVOted | with mplayer at least. |
| 17:47.39 | anddam | stew: ls /etc/alternatives |
| 17:48.03 | anddam | also $ update-alternatives --display x-window-manager |
| 17:48.03 | anddam | update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for x-window-manager. |
| 17:48.07 | dEVOted | wow, well um, thanks guys :D (I wish I knew what caused it though.) |
| 17:48.33 | anddam | stew: this is a squeeze netinstall with only xorg and xserver installed |
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| 17:49.19 | stew | anddam: dunno, works for me: slave x-window-manager.1.gz: /usr/share/man/man1/e16.1.gz |
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| 17:49.57 | anddam | stew: what's slave? |
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| 17:50.17 | anddam | stew: and how did you install e16? |
| 17:50.28 | nsadmin | something controlled by a master? |
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| 17:50.31 | stew | anddam: oh, that is just saying that if i were to chose e16 as my window manager, it would update the x-window-manager(1) manpage accordingly |
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| 17:51.06 | anddam | stew: but I installed e17 from sources, that can't be handled by the alternatives system |
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| 17:54.51 | anddam | stew: $ sudo update-alternatives /usr/bin/x-window-manager x-window-manager /opt/e17/bin/enlightenment 50 |
| 17:54.52 | anddam | update-alternatives: error: unknown argument `/usr/bin/x-window-manager' |
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| 17:55.10 | anddam | first argument is <link> according to update-alternatives help |
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| 17:56.04 | anddam | wops, forgot "--install" |
| 17:56.18 | hudu | Does debian have an equivalent to 'mkinitcpio -g /boot/kernel26.img' (which in archlinux creates an image for a kernel) |
| 17:57.31 | anddam | stew: anything else I should install apart x-window-manager? I'm lacking a DesktopEnvironment so maybe I don't have some "standard" alternatives |
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| 17:58.38 | MrGeneral | how do I see the debian version, if lenny or squeeze? |
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| 17:59.34 | tharkun | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 18:01.56 | MrGeneral | thanks tharkun |
| 18:02.06 | MrGeneral | dont have that file |
| 18:02.08 | MrGeneral | only version |
| 18:02.14 | MrGeneral | but it doesnt say if its lenny or squeeze |
| 18:02.31 | anddam | MrGeneral: does it say a number? |
| 18:02.38 | tharkun | hmm see /topic first 13 characters |
| 18:02.50 | telmich | good evening |
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| 18:03.11 | MrGeneral | anddam, Linux version 2.6.18-194.26.1.el5.028stab079.2 (root@rhel5-build-x64) (gcc version 4.1.2 20080704 (Red Hat 4.1.2-46)) #1 SMP Fri Dec 17 19:25:15 MSK 2010 |
| 18:03.21 | telmich | what's the best, machine parseable way to find out whether a package is installed? dpkg -l zsh | grep ^ii? |
| 18:03.23 | MrGeneral | oh ok tharkun |
| 18:03.36 | anddam | MrGeneral: why did you think it was a debian? |
| 18:03.47 | tharkun | MrGeneral: if that was your uname -a then you are not running debian at all |
| 18:03.52 | babilen | MrGeneral: Looks like RedHat to me :) |
| 18:03.55 | MrGeneral | anddam, it is debian |
| 18:04.02 | MrGeneral | debian 5.0 32 bit |
| 18:04.06 | MrGeneral | openvz distribution though |
| 18:04.23 | themill | dpkg: tell telmich about installed test |
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| 18:04.30 | telmich | themill: thanks a lot! |
| 18:05.12 | anddam | MrGeneral: still, you should have /etc/debian_version |
| 18:05.20 | themill | telmich: note that "installed" isn't as simple a concept as you might like. Is it unpacked but not yet configured? Is it broken? Is it scheduled for removal in the next apt run? |
| 18:05.41 | MrGeneral | hmm I do in my other vps anddam |
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| 18:05.45 | MrGeneral | not sure what failed here |
| 18:05.46 | babilen | MrGeneral: A look at your /etc/apt/sources.list might be interesting and yes, you should have /etc/debian_version. Could you also install and run lsb_release -a |
| 18:06.00 | themill | telmich: man dpkg lists a number of "package states" and "selection states" that you might want to consider, depending on what you're doing. |
| 18:07.06 | MrGeneral | root@network:~# lsb_release -a |
| 18:07.06 | MrGeneral | No LSB modules are available. |
| 18:07.06 | MrGeneral | Distributor ID: Debian |
| 18:07.06 | MrGeneral | Description: Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 (squeeze) |
| 18:07.06 | MrGeneral | Release: 6.0 |
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| 18:07.10 | MrGeneral | Codename: squeeze |
| 18:07.11 | MrGeneral | :D |
| 18:07.16 | MrGeneral | ooops sorry the flood folks |
| 18:07.20 | MrGeneral | yes, its running 6.0 |
| 18:08.04 | babilen | MrGeneral: I wonder what happened to your base-files package (and in particular the /etc/debian_version shipped by it) |
| 18:08.28 | MrGeneral | no idea as well |
| 18:08.30 | MrGeneral | but well |
| 18:08.34 | MrGeneral | at least its running :P |
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| 18:11.14 | telmich | themill: thanks again! I guess matching on everything != ii is fine for our project - in the sense of: I need to try to install it |
| 18:12.20 | anddam | when I create a sample xorg.conf can I then test it as non-root user? |
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| 18:12.32 | stew | telmich: do you ever put packages on hold? |
| 18:13.02 | telmich | stew: nope, do not even know what this should do :-) |
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| 18:16.55 | khem_ | !rtl8192se |
| 18:16.55 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8192SE is a PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipset (PCI-IDs 10ec:8173, 10ec:8174). Not supported by the mainline Linux kernel at this time. Vendor driver (rtl8192se) is available from http://people.debian.org/~benh/rtl-wlan/ . See also <rtl8191se>, <rtl8192e>. |
| 18:17.10 | khem_ | !rtl8192e |
| 18:17.10 | dpkg | [rtl8192e] r8192_pci is a module produced by the rtl8192e staging driver, supporting Realtek RTL8192E 802.11n PCI-E wireless LAN devices (PCI-ID 10ec:8192). Enabled in linux-2.6 2.6.32-5 (x86 architectures only). Firmware is required (RTL8192E/{boot,data,main}.img), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. See also Debian bug #595026. For support of other Realtek 802.11n devices, ask about <rtl819x>. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 18:17.41 | khem_ | !rtl819x |
| 18:17.41 | dpkg | For support of Realtek 802.11n wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rtl8191se>, <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192se> (PCI-E chipsets); <rtl8192su>, <rtl8192u> (USB chipsets). http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
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| 18:20.48 | jmd | Can someone help me? Since upgrading to squeeze, a kernel module nvidiafb is automatically loaded which screws with my display. I' |
| 18:21.17 | jmd | ve tried blacklisting it, deleteing it and removing it after boot, but the damn thing persists. |
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| 18:21.38 | jmd | How can I stop it being loaded and how can I unload it once it's there? |
| 18:22.05 | Circuitsoft | jmd: Blacklist it, then update-initramfs |
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| 18:24.01 | jmd | Hmm. Why should update-initramfs be necessary? |
| 18:24.24 | anddam | bye |
| 18:24.33 | Arrowmaster | thats strange, i have a /etc/modprobe.d/fbdev-blacklist.conf that blacklists nvidiafb and was provided by udev |
| 18:24.34 | Circuitsoft | nvidiafb is loaded by the pre-boot script, before init is started. |
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| 18:25.06 | Circuitsoft | You need to make sure it's blacklisted in the earliest stages of boot. update-initramfs will do that. |
| 18:25.08 | Arrowmaster | jmd: do you have a /etc/modeprobe.d/fbdev-blacklist.conf? |
| 18:25.39 | jmd | Circuitsoft, I'm not sure if that's true in this case. It's happening 12 seconds into boot. |
| 18:25.46 | jmd | I'll try it anyway. |
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| 18:26.16 | jmd | Arrowmaster, Yes. |
| 18:26.39 | Arrowmaster | and it has the line blacklist nvidiafb in it? |
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| 18:27.40 | Ge0rG | hi. I try to debianize a header-only c++ library, however dh_install seems to look for files in debian/tmp/ after dh_auto_install installed them to debian/$packagename/ - what do I have to change to make it work? |
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| 18:28.21 | jmd | Arrowmaster, Right now, no. But it did have. |
| 18:28.44 | stew | Ge0rG: if they are already in debian/$packagename why are you trying to dh_install them? |
| 18:28.47 | Arrowmaster | did you remove it? why? |
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| 18:29.51 | Ge0rG | stew: I don't. debuild does by calling "dh binary" |
| 18:29.55 | khem_ | What driver is needed for a D-lInk DWA-125 USB? |
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| 18:30.38 | jmd | Arrowmaster, It had no apparent effect. |
| 18:30.58 | Circuitsoft | !rt2870 |
| 18:30.58 | dpkg | rt2870sta is the vendor driver for Ralink 802.11n/g USB (RT2070, RT2770, RT2870, RT3070, RT3071, RT3072) wireless LAN devices, included as a staging driver (amd64, i386 only) in Debian 2.6.32 kernel images. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta . For device use on other architectures, ask me about <rt2800usb>. |
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| 18:31.28 | Circuitsoft | !tell khem_ about rt2800usb |
| 18:31.53 | jmd | reboots |
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| 18:35.21 | MrGeneral | anyone knows a good tutorial for debian, about nagios+munin?:P |
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| 18:38.42 | lost_eden | I've been using subversion for a while to 'back up' my work to a remote server; what is the equivalent method of using git for this? |
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| 18:39.01 | lost_eden | do I work with the entire working copy on ym local machine & then git push to the server? |
| 18:39.08 | lost_eden | or do I rsync the directory to the server? |
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| 18:39.15 | lost_eden | or do I git pull from the server? |
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| 18:40.53 | Ge0rG | ok, once I create a second package, dh_install works as expected. is it a bug in debhelper if it fails to create a dev-only-package? |
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| 18:43.44 | babilen | !tell Ge0rG -about mentors |
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| 18:47.22 | jmd | Circuitsoft, update-initramfs seemed to do the job. Thanks. |
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| 18:47.58 | alimoreno | Hi, pls what is the command to set the default(sensible) browser, editor, etc.. |
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| 18:49.56 | karsten-nr | Why would PS return a UID rather than the resolved username for a process? |
| 18:50.14 | karsten-nr | The user exists and username is defined in /etc/passwd |
| 18:50.14 | jelly-home | wtf is PS |
| 18:50.18 | doublehp | !wpa |
| 18:50.18 | dpkg | wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian systems in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (especially "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Debian-Installer does not support WPA at this time; see also <nowpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
| 18:50.24 | karsten-nr | jelly-home: man (1) ps |
| 18:50.29 | jelly-home | karsten-nr: oh, do you mean ps, as in /bin/ps? |
| 18:50.34 | karsten-nr | I don't know why it got upcased, sry. |
| 18:50.49 | karsten-nr | suspects his shift keys of treason. |
| 18:50.55 | karsten-nr | jelly-home: Yes. |
| 18:51.13 | jelly-home | karsten-nr: it does that when format has an 8 character place for username and the username is longer than that |
| 18:51.28 | poisonbit | alimoreno, update-alternatives (--config editor /bin/nano...) |
| 18:51.31 | karsten-nr | jelly-home: That would be the case. |
| 18:51.42 | jelly-home | karsten-nr: eg. if you have a silly username like "Debian-exim" |
| 18:51.47 | karsten-nr | jelly-home: Damned 40 year-old design decisions. |
| 18:51.49 | alimoreno | poisonbit, thnxs |
| 18:51.58 | poisonbit | n.p. |
| 18:52.29 | karsten-nr | jelly-home: or 'messagebus', frex, but I've got a local user with a longer name as well. |
| 18:52.42 | doublehp | how to configure WPA in Squeeze ? http://wiki.debian.org/WPA gives only two tastes; there are many other ... |
| 18:52.42 | jelly-home | I guess you could use a nicer, custom format for ps |
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| 18:53.56 | karsten-nr | jelly-home: I've written same in the past. Mostly to make output consistent across a number of different unixen. Solaris, HPUX, AIX, and Linux. |
| 18:54.16 | Chelsea | Is it possible to run Midnight commander in deamon/remote mode? |
| 18:54.16 | karsten-nr | *and* to have the process start time in the output, which turned out to be useful. |
| 18:54.26 | karsten-nr | Chelsea: ??? why and what for? |
| 18:55.07 | jelly-home | Chelsea: what would it do? |
| 18:55.10 | Chelsea | karsten-nr, to make it go to a subdirectory from within vim ;). NerdTree to be exacly. |
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| 18:55.46 | Chelsea | I think it should rock! |
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| 18:56.23 | karsten-nr | Chelsea: Um. 'splain. I don't understand. |
| 18:56.36 | karsten-nr | Chelsea: vim *does* have a native file explorer, I think. |
| 18:57.25 | Chelsea | Ok... I'm using the NerdTree plugin from vim. But I use the vim-plugin from Zsh. Within this mode, I can do file-management. |
| 18:57.50 | Chelsea | If I can control MC in another terminal... |
| 18:57.55 | Chelsea | You get the point? |
| 18:58.10 | Chelsea | So far it's rocking... |
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| 18:58.15 | karsten-nr | Vaguely. Not sure what nerdtree is. You might want to ask in #vim. |
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| 18:58.44 | mitja | Can somebody help me with debian bind9 dns? |
| 18:58.48 | Chelsea | can't post to the irc channel. although I regged. |
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| 18:59.31 | mitja | <msg> |
| 18:59.31 | Makuew | How do i know if a hard drive is bad? |
| 18:59.42 | Chelsea | But actually it's a MC question... but also related to Zshell and vim. So I figured this would be the place to ask ;) |
| 18:59.43 | izua | hey there. i recently installed gnome, and I can't access the console anymore |
| 19:00.12 | izua | basically all ctrl+alt+fx keys have been remapped, and after setting ctrl+alt+bksp as a kill x server shortcut, x just restarts, instead of dying permanently. |
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| 19:01.11 | Makuew | hmm |
| 19:01.16 | Makuew | syslog is spammed with [128590.481844] EXT3-fs error (device md3): ext3_free_blocks_sb: bit already cleared for block 14497528 |
| 19:01.18 | Circuitsoft | Anyone know why I can't mount my thumb drive as a normal user? http://paste.debian.net/109288/ |
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| 19:02.28 | jelly-home | Makuew: sounds like you have an error on your ext3 file system! |
| 19:03.01 | Circuitsoft | Makuew: And a pretty serious one at that. What kernel are you running, and what are the mount options? |
| 19:03.33 | Makuew | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.35 | Makuew | spams this too, one sec |
| 19:04.01 | Makuew | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.28 | Circuitsoft | Makuew: Any idea if your hard drive supports write barriers? |
| 19:05.02 | Makuew | no clue, but i have been using it for heavy data writing(torrenting) for a while, and today all rtorrent crashed saying the disk is out of space, but its not. |
| 19:05.09 | Makuew | and it seems some data is deleted.(i might be wrong) |
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| 19:06.07 | jelly-home | Makuew: reboot, fsck that filesystem |
| 19:06.10 | Circuitsoft | Makuew: mount -o remount,ro / |
| 19:06.12 | Circuitsoft | fsck / |
| 19:06.19 | jelly-home | !forcefsck |
| 19:06.19 | dpkg | To instruct your system to execute <fsck> on the next boot: "touch /forcefsck". Useful for checking the root filesystem for errors (via /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh). Alternatively, supply the -F option to shutdown(8) to create the /forcefsck advisory file, or include "forcefsck" at the kernel command line (Squeeze). |
| 19:06.30 | jelly-home | if it's possible |
| 19:06.43 | Makuew | I only have ssh access to it, what if it fails :/ |
| 19:07.05 | jelly-home | Makuew: don't do it until you get console access then? |
| 19:07.22 | Circuitsoft | Remount ro now and fsck without rebooting. |
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| 19:09.32 | Makuew | Ok |
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| 19:09.38 | Makuew | What does this mean " md3: rw=0, want=28283158584, limit=81925712d of device " ? |
| 19:10.27 | Makuew | Also, can you fsck a raid device? |
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| 19:12.20 | minimike | hello |
| 19:12.35 | Makuew | Circuitsoft? |
| 19:12.53 | duxklr | Makuew: Yes you can fsck raid devices. |
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| 19:13.06 | Makuew | Ok |
| 19:13.19 | Circuitsoft | I don't know what that want= line means. I haven't seen it. |
| 19:13.24 | Makuew | I also find it hard to belive how it can past this error message over 500 times in 1sc |
| 19:13.43 | Circuitsoft | I'm guessing it thinks the filesystem is bigger than the raid device. |
| 19:13.56 | minimike | I have got a little problem with dh_shlibdeps http://debianforum.de/forum/pastebin.php?mode=view&s=35360 |
| 19:14.09 | Circuitsoft | Makuew - That's the easy part. Unfortunately, it's not actually helpful. |
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| 19:14.23 | minimike | currently I don't understand what's going wrong |
| 19:15.03 | minimike | I am packaging enlightment from svn |
| 19:15.37 | minimike | any suggest? |
| 19:15.49 | abrotman | we don't all speak german |
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| 19:16.44 | jmd | abrotman, Naturlich sprechen wir Deutsch!! |
| 19:17.00 | abrotman | uh no |
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| 19:17.26 | dvs | they all moved out of PA? |
| 19:20.19 | Makuew | /dev/md3: clean, 46806/256024576 files, 473303201/1024071408 blocks |
| 19:20.21 | Makuew | fsck died with exit status 1 |
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| 19:22.26 | alimoreno | Hi people, my alsamixer show me MASTER in 00 values and no color bar, the others (PCM, Line, CD, etc..) is ok 100<>100. |
| 19:22.33 | alimoreno | how i can make the sound work? |
| 19:22.41 | alimoreno | In console(terminal) this error is showed: |
| 19:22.52 | alimoreno | ALSA lib pcm.c:7223:(snd_pcm_recover) underrun occured |
| 19:22.54 | Circuitsoft | Makuew: I'd run fsck -f again just in case. |
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| 19:23.07 | alimoreno | This other error is displayed in the terminal too: ERROR: Couldn't find Method "xtrace" |
| 19:23.11 | Circuitsoft | alimoreno: Sounds like a driver/interrupt issue. |
| 19:23.14 | alimoreno | it is related to ALSA too? |
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| 19:23.40 | Circuitsoft | alimoreno: Any idea what sound card you have? |
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| 19:23.54 | Circuitsoft | AC'97, HDA, or something else? |
| 19:23.58 | alimoreno | Circuitsoft, hi, how i can check if it is? and do you know a solution? |
| 19:24.33 | Circuitsoft | alimoreno: What sound card do you have? |
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| 19:27.33 | alimoreno | Circuitsoft, have no idea... my lspci output in http://pastebin.com/4JiY9hNf |
| 19:27.55 | abrotman | alimoreno: uname -r ? |
| 19:27.56 | Circuitsoft | HDA. |
| 19:27.57 | alimoreno | Circuitsoft, Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03) |
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| 19:28.17 | alimoreno | abrotman, 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 19:28.43 | cahoot | alimoreno: lspci -nn to get its pciid |
| 19:28.46 | abrotman | alimoreno: is alsa-tools/alsa-base installed ? |
| 19:28.54 | jelly-home | Makuew: that's probably normal for a forced fsck of /, the exit status makes the machine reboot once more after the fsck |
| 19:28.57 | abrotman | cahoot: that card is like 4 years old .. it should work |
| 19:29.04 | abrotman | at least four .. maybe six ? |
| 19:29.04 | cahoot | true |
| 19:29.22 | jelly-home | I has ICH6M chipset on my 6yr old thinkpad |
| 19:29.41 | Circuitsoft | abrotman: fgrep HDA /proc/interrupts |
| 19:29.47 | abrotman | no thanks? |
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| 19:30.46 | alimoreno | cahoot, 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller [8086:2668] (rev 03) |
| 19:31.44 | abrotman | alimoreno: is alsa-tools/alsa-base installed ? |
| 19:31.49 | alimoreno | Circuitsoft, 16: 1751838 IO-APIC-fasteoi uhci_hcd:usb5, i915, HDA Intel |
| 19:31.55 | abrotman | erm .. alsa-utils/alsa-base |
| 19:32.04 | alimoreno | abrotman, yes |
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| 19:32.32 | cahoot | alimoreno: cat /proc/asound/cards - only one 'card'? |
| 19:32.34 | hid3 | Any ideas which package contains `objcopy` binary? |
| 19:32.36 | abrotman | !tell alimoreno about alsa checklist |
| 19:32.41 | Circuitsoft | hid3: binutils |
| 19:32.42 | abrotman | !tell hid3 about apt-file |
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| 19:33.46 | hid3 | strange. i have objcopy but compilation process complains it cant find it |
| 19:33.59 | alimoreno | cahoot, 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel |
| 19:34.01 | alimoreno | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.15 | deever | anyone here able to start gvim from gnome (or xfce) menu in squeeze? |
| 19:34.24 | deever | i'm getting (in .xsession-errors): gvim: error while loading shared libraries: libgpm.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 19:34.33 | deever | although in ldd `which gvim`, no libgpm.so.1 is listed, but libgpm.so.2 instead |
| 19:34.35 | alimoreno | abrotman, what about checklist? |
| 19:34.40 | deever | starting from a terminal works perfectly... |
| 19:34.47 | abrotman | alimoreno: see what the bot told you? |
| 19:35.26 | Circuitsoft | deever: Look at the .desktop file for gvim and see what executable it's starting. |
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| 19:35.59 | alimoreno | Circuitsoft, cahoot ?? any idea how fix it? |
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| 19:36.51 | Circuitsoft | alimoreno: If the fix were obvious and common, it would probably be automated. |
| 19:37.11 | Circuitsoft | There are more things at work, so something else is not working right. I haven't seen HDA fail, so I don't know where to start lookng. |
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| 19:37.52 | alimoreno | Circuitsoft, thnxs any way ;) |
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| 19:38.58 | cahoot | alimoreno: if you run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 you get the errormsg? |
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| 19:39.40 | alimoreno | cahoot, no |
| 19:40.07 | cahoot | alimoreno: speaker-test -t wav -c2 - only silence? |
| 19:40.20 | zyga | hi, I'd like to push some of my tools/libraries into debian. I have a few packages in a ubuntu ppa, I'd like to get those packages reviewed/improved with the guidance of someone more experienced. What is the proper way of doing this? |
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| 19:40.56 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell zyga about mentors |
| 19:40.59 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell zyga about nmg |
| 19:41.12 | zyga | jelly-home, thanks |
| 19:41.14 | abrotman | alimoreno: did you look at what the bot told you ? |
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| 19:41.25 | alimoreno | cahoot, yes :S |
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| 19:42.06 | jelly-home | zyga: note the #debian-mentors channel is on a different irc network, irc.debian.org (= OFTC) |
| 19:43.13 | cahoot | alimoreno: alsa force-reload makes no difference? |
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| 19:46.41 | alimoreno | abrotman, yes bro |
| 19:46.48 | abrotman | and? |
| 19:46.52 | alimoreno | cahoot, no :( |
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| 19:50.02 | alimoreno | abrotman, 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) R: i already has this group, 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) R:Nothing happen, 3) arts or esound stopped? R:yes 4) speakers on? R:yes 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? R:NO, 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss R:nothing happen 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages |
| 19:50.02 | alimoreno | to remove ALSA blacklist. no oss4 package installed |
| 19:50.52 | abrotman | any hints in dmesg ? |
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| 19:52.06 | jmd | What's the simplest app to prove that my webcam is working? |
| 19:52.14 | alimoreno | abrotman, no :P |
| 19:52.34 | alimoreno | jdm, xawtv, cheese |
| 19:52.51 | abrotman | alimoreno: you read all of dmesg that quickly? |
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| 19:53.34 | alimoreno | abrotman, no man i read a part after i plug a usb wireless card. |
| 19:53.47 | alimoreno | abrotman, you mean since begining? |
| 19:53.56 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:54.17 | alimoreno | abrotman, sorry... one sec pls |
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| 19:55.46 | neglesaks | ?q - is there an easy way to 100% clone the fiel content of a linux drive, including permissions? ie not a block copy. |
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| 19:55.55 | neglesaks | file contents* |
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| 19:56.28 | cahoot | rsync? |
| 19:56.39 | waldi_ | f |
| 19:56.47 | doublehp | neglesaks: cat/dd + gzip will save room; gzip can be done on the fly |
| 19:57.07 | duxklr | neglesaks: I wrote this a few years ago: http://zweck.net/txt/clone-linux.txt |
| 19:57.13 | doublehp | neglesaks: rsync is good; cp -a usually works fine; but you *may* get surprises with hardlinks. |
| 19:57.14 | BearDK | if a place a sym-link in /etc/rc2.d in Squeeze it doesn't execute on a reboot. Anyone know how to make it do that? |
| 19:57.55 | neglesaks | i considered dd, but wanted to be sure. thans a lot doub, and well done duxklr ! |
| 19:58.50 | duxklr | neglesaks: We use rdiff-backup for a main backup system and this is what we use to restore from baremetal anything that needs it. It works for us. |
| 19:59.27 | neglesaks | i have rused rsync and grsync, but i am not routined with usign it with the special flags |
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| 19:59.33 | fantasticulous | hi guys |
| 19:59.36 | neglesaks | thanks again! |
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| 19:59.43 | fantasticulous | i found something in my dmesg that cpu temperature is above threshold |
| 19:59.46 | duxklr | neglesaks: no problem. |
| 19:59.50 | fantasticulous | how do i see my cpu temp? |
| 19:59.50 | Circuitsoft | neglesaks, cp -Rp |
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| 20:00.05 | Circuitsoft | or tar -cvpf myfile.tar |
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| 20:04.26 | fantasticulous | so... anyone? |
| 20:04.30 | fantasticulous | cpu temperature... |
| 20:04.33 | Circuitsoft | sensors |
| 20:04.58 | fantasticulous | ty |
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| 20:05.01 | BearDK | fantasticulous: try 'cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/temperature' |
| 20:05.39 | fantasticulous | thermal_zone is empty, BearDK, but 'sensors' shows me the temperature |
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| 20:07.16 | pinkisntwell | i've been using linux for years, many distros, many different computers... the only thing that seems to be a given is the difficulty of getting sound out of the machine. for example, right now there's no sound. i watched a video on the internet and that was the last thing i heard. what do i do in squeeze when this happens? |
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| 20:08.42 | neglesaks | first check that you didnt dislodge the soudn cable somehow |
| 20:09.15 | fantasticulous | sir, is your computer switched on? |
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| 20:09.25 | abrotman | sounds like flash died and broke it |
| 20:09.51 | pinkisntwell | i believe it is switched on yes. the fact that i'm talking to you good gentleman means that it is probably on |
| 20:10.06 | abrotman | or you're IRCing from another machine ,... |
| 20:10.10 | pinkisntwell | is there some way to prevent flash from doing that? |
| 20:10.12 | fantasticulous | shyeah lol |
| 20:10.36 | abrotman | pinkisntwell: honestly .. don't use it if you don't have to ... |
| 20:10.55 | abrotman | pinkisntwell: kill all of your browsers, see if sound comes back |
| 20:11.36 | pinkisntwell | abrotman: i try not to use it, however it's hard not to. there's so much stuff in flash nowadays... i hope it dies a swift death and never comes back... even when it works it's a pain in the arse |
| 20:11.55 | pinkisntwell | abrotman: takes up so much cpu it's ridiculous |
| 20:12.11 | fantasticulous | sir, please calm down |
| 20:12.13 | fantasticulous | close your eyes |
| 20:12.16 | fantasticulous | take a deep breath |
| 20:12.21 | fantasticulous | and release bowel gas |
| 20:12.25 | fantasticulous | take another deep breath |
| 20:12.30 | fantasticulous | enjoy. |
| 20:13.14 | neglesaks | i tend to agree. |
| 20:13.29 | abrotman | pinkisntwell: or have two browsers, one with flash enabled, the other disabled |
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| 20:13.49 | fantasticulous | flash works fine here, and when it crashes, i just restart the browser. sound keeps going |
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| 20:13.59 | fantasticulous | and in this setup, i have jack enabled |
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| 20:15.13 | alimoreno | abrotman, any other idea bro? |
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| 20:15.52 | _Dave123_ | I'm running a debian server with gnome and have vnc running on port 5901 |
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| 20:16.03 | _Dave123_ | somehow I constantly see 2 ips connected to it as "ESTABLISHED" |
| 20:16.15 | _Dave123_ | but eg. my password is very long and nobody can know it |
| 20:16.25 | _Dave123_ | what does this mean? they are somehow logged in? or just bruteforcing |
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| 20:17.15 | abrotman | _Dave123_: that's normal 5900 and 5901 |
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| 20:17.41 | _Dave123_ | that ips are connected to it for like 30 mins |
| 20:17.43 | _Dave123_ | or probably longer |
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| 20:17.51 | neglesaks | dave, do a whois on them |
| 20:18.04 | _Dave123_ | and then ? |
| 20:18.05 | neglesaks | unless they are local, ie 192.168.* |
| 20:18.10 | _Dave123_ | they are not |
| 20:18.15 | neglesaks | if they are not local, you will see ther wehreabouts |
| 20:18.25 | _Dave123_ | yea i can say it on top of my head |
| 20:18.36 | _Dave123_ | I just need to know what it is for? |
| 20:18.38 | tuggle | hi, what does /dev/sda point to? What happens, e.g., if I use cryptsetup on /dev/sda? Does it use the whole drive or does the system first create /dev/sda1 ? |
| 20:18.41 | _Dave123_ | is it brute forcing? |
| 20:18.47 | _Dave123_ | or does this mean they are logged in |
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| 20:19.18 | neglesaks | what are the ips then? |
| 20:19.29 | _Dave123_ | just some dedicated servsres in germnany |
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| 20:19.44 | _Dave123_ | http://whois.domaintools.com/88.79.129.243 |
| 20:19.44 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 20:20.21 | _Dave123_ | so any idea what is is? |
| 20:20.23 | _Dave123_ | hacked? |
| 20:20.24 | korencia | _Dave123_ btw (inspirational) If you want to defend your server from bruteforcing, consider ufw (The Uncomplicated FireWall). It has some ready-made settings for managing frequent connections and blacklisting them. |
| 20:20.28 | _Dave123_ | or just bruteforcing |
| 20:20.40 | _Dave123_ | korencia: yea i will do that |
| 20:20.44 | _Dave123_ | but for now how can I know what it is? |
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| 20:21.03 | neglesaks | is there repeated traffic from them? |
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| 20:21.30 | _Dave123_ | how can I see? |
| 20:21.46 | korencia | _Dave123_ If it was hacked, then your server would make thousands of connections per minute probably... I was once hacked.. |
| 20:21.46 | neglesaks | yo could do a packet dump. or use Wireshark to sniff traffic on your lan interface |
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| 20:22.08 | _Dave123_ | korencia: there are other reasons to hack a system than scanning other systems or spamnming |
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| 20:22.23 | _Dave123_ | its encrypted anyway, so i cannot know |
| 20:22.33 | xand | _Dave123_: you know vnc has no encryption right? |
| 20:22.49 | _Dave123_ | i think so |
| 20:22.54 | _Dave123_ | anyway even if NOT |
| 20:23.00 | _Dave123_ | how can I know what it is? |
| 20:23.11 | korencia | _Dave123_ I know. But if you aren't in Pentaon, you aren't interesting. Most of hacks are from China, USA, Russia.. And have obvious reasons |
| 20:23.12 | xand | netstat -plunt |
| 20:23.20 | neglesaks | use wireshark to dump the packets to a file and check it out then |
| 20:23.24 | _Dave123_ | korencia: one of the IPs is russian |
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| 20:23.51 | _Dave123_ | korencia: and yes, there are enough reasons this system can be interesting |
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| 20:24.09 | _Dave123_ | korencia: also, even if it was not interesting, and there was some bug in vnc for debian, they would hack it |
| 20:24.33 | korencia | _Dave123_ THen why did you run not secured service on production machine? |
| 20:24.52 | _Dave123_ | i0 dont know and at this point i dont care |
| 20:24.56 | alimoreno | abrotman, what was the last line you read me pls? |
| 20:24.58 | _Dave123_ | I just want to know why it is |
| 20:24.59 | korencia | _Dave123_ OK. Change the master passw and reboot |
| 20:25.02 | neglesaks | theres a first tiem for everything, in any case, take steps to secure yoru system, asap |
| 20:25.07 | _Dave123_ | ok |
| 20:25.08 | _Dave123_ | lets see |
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| 20:25.29 | mikejw_ | does anyone know what version of php is available for 'squeeze' by default? |
| 20:25.42 | _Dave123_ | fuck i forgot where I set the password for vnc |
| 20:26.16 | mikejw_ | \whois |
| 20:26.24 | mikejw_ | sorry |
| 20:26.58 | daemonkeeper | judd: versions php5-cli |
| 20:26.59 | judd | Package php5-cli on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny9; squeeze: 5.3.3-7; wheezy: 5.3.3-7; sid: 5.3.5-1 |
| 20:27.05 | korencia | _Dave123_ OK. 1. stop the vnc. 2 Check the IPs if still connected, if yes: 3. remove vnc from /etc/rc2.d/ 4. reboot them to loose connection to server |
| 20:27.42 | _Dave123_ | korencia: any idea how i can stop it? its not in /etc/init.d |
| 20:27.58 | _Dave123_ | --help also gives no good info |
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| 20:29.10 | jmd | Which package is supposed to provide /dev/video0 ? |
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| 20:29.39 | korencia | _Dave123_ VNC server needs to be somewhere to be initialized after rebooting. If not, then just reboot. But at 1st try to just stop the service. If nothing found in /etc/init.d, then --> ps aux see, what contains "vnc" and just KILL it (kill, killall) |
| 20:29.52 | daemonkeeper | UVC devices I guess |
| 20:30.02 | daemonkeeper | Or well, probably also some without U |
| 20:30.12 | _Dave123_ | thx |
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| 20:31.37 | korencia | _Dave123_ ;-) If it wouldn't work, just ask.. Maybe some another "cure" will help.. |
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| 20:32.45 | abrotman | alimoreno: i asked you to check through dmesg .. those cards are pretty old and should work just fine. |
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| 20:34.37 | iamdgp | hello all |
| 20:35.01 | riot | uh, there was a very good howto "build your own kbuild for debian experimental kernels".. anyone got the url? or short instructions? |
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| 20:38.31 | alimoreno | abrotman, in dmesg i can't found anithing bro |
| 20:38.39 | riot | i found it.. but theres no 2.6.38 on ftp.kernel.org |
| 20:38.42 | riot | :/ |
| 20:38.48 | abrotman | alimoreno: can you paste the output of 'lspci -k' in a pastebin ? |
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| 20:40.32 | BearDK | if a place a sym-link in /etc/rc2.d in Squeeze it doesn't execute on a reboot. Anyone know how to make it do that? |
| 20:40.34 | alimoreno | abrotman, here is http://pastebin.com/uQvW8Unu |
| 20:40.50 | hochron | trying to decide if I should give wheezy a try or stick with squeeze |
| 20:40.59 | abrotman | BearDK: is the original +x ? |
| 20:41.15 | BearDK | abrotman: yes, chmod 775 |
| 20:41.32 | abrotman | BearDK: are you sure it didn't execute? perhaps have it log somewhere |
| 20:41.42 | abrotman | alimoreno: cat /proc/asound/cards ? how many are there? |
| 20:41.57 | BearDK | abrotman: I've enabled boot logging and it doesn't even show that it tried |
| 20:42.01 | _Dave123_ | abrotman: 21:05 < abrotman> _Dave123_: that's normal 5900 and 5901 |
| 20:42.02 | _Dave123_ | how u mean? |
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| 20:44.25 | alimoreno | abrotman, # cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 20:44.25 | alimoreno | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.25 | alimoreno | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:47.49 | abrotman | _Dave123_: VNC uses two ports |
| 20:49.17 | abrotman | BearDK: can you run it using that symlink ? |
| 20:49.37 | BearDK | abrotman: yup, no problem |
| 20:49.52 | BearDK | abrotman: on Debian 5 it works... |
| 20:50.05 | abrotman | BearDK: a lot of times, it's the lack of $PATH, so the binaries need the full path |
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| 20:51.06 | BearDK | abrotman: when I check /var/log/boot it doesn't even show that it tried to execute the script :( |
| 20:51.20 | abrotman | are you in runlevel 2? |
| 20:51.31 | BearDK | N 2 |
| 20:52.34 | mitja | hello |
| 20:52.46 | mitja | i would like to set up an subdomain with bind |
| 20:52.55 | mitja | can someone help me with that? |
| 20:53.00 | BearDK | abrotman: the script is very simple: "/home/bdr/tt4/teamtalkd -wd /home/bdr/tt4/ -d" |
| 20:53.19 | abrotman | what is 'teamtakld' ? |
| 20:53.27 | BearDK | abrotman: a daemon |
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| 20:53.34 | abrotman | binary? script? |
| 20:53.41 | BearDK | abrotman: binary |
| 20:54.01 | _Dave123_ | abrotman: I mean |
| 20:54.17 | _Dave123_ | abrotman: is it normal that 2 ips, are connected as "ESTABLISHED" for like 1 hour non stop to port 5901? |
| 20:54.25 | abrotman | are they both your IP ? |
| 20:54.31 | _Dave123_ | abrotman: it must mean they are logged in (so hacked) |
| 20:54.32 | _Dave123_ | no |
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| 20:54.40 | abrotman | okay, that's a bit odd |
| 20:55.22 | _Dave123_ | but it's strange because my password is not guesable |
| 20:55.43 | _Dave123_ | yea 10 chars and mixed with digits, i would say that they bruteforced it some way then |
| 20:55.47 | _Dave123_ | but my question is why |
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| 20:56.06 | _Dave123_ | or maybe there is some 0day or other unpatched bug in the vnc4server debian package |
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| 20:59.58 | _Dave123_ | Anyone knows what this could be? |
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| 21:01.30 | rhada | Bushmills: yesyerday we talked about ssh-keygen do you remember ? |
| 21:01.44 | rhada | yesterday |
| 21:02.17 | jmd | How do I set up my webcam on squeeze? |
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| 21:04.27 | rhada | well I did in /home/admins now for permissions do i run chmod for admins or root with the command chmod go-w .ssh/authorized_keys and is that the correct command to run? |
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| 21:10.33 | autojack | at work we use a local apt repo for distributing internal packages we build. I want to be able to do an 'apt-get update' that only pulls updated info from our internal repo, not all the other Debian official repos we have configured. from what I was told, the only way to do this is to: 1. manually pull down the package cache files from our repo; 2. put them in the right place on the local box; 3. run some dpkg command to update the local cache. |
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| 21:10.41 | autojack | I'm willing to do that for this particular weird use case we have. can someone tip me off to 1. what files I need to pull down; 2. where I need to put them; 3. what command I need to run against them? |
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| 21:11.35 | alexbariv | hi there! little problem here: How do i force totem to use the xine backend instead of the gstreamer ? |
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| 21:12.01 | Shiba | can someone tell me what happened to mtx and mt-st with debian 6? |
| 21:12.07 | Shiba | I can't find their packages anymore |
| 21:12.24 | abrotman | alexbariv: remove the totem-gstreamer package ? |
| 21:12.33 | alexbariv | abrotman, already done! |
| 21:12.40 | abrotman | so how is it using it? |
| 21:12.45 | alexbariv | abrotman, still uses gstreamer ... |
| 21:12.54 | alexbariv | im wondering the same |
| 21:13.30 | alexbariv | removed totem-gstreamer, installe totem-xine and still says "using the gstreamer backend" |
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| 21:14.27 | jhutchins | alexbariv: There's usually a choice in the setup menu. |
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| 21:14.37 | rhada | in /home/admins now for permissions do i run chmod for admins or root with the command chmod go-w .ssh/authorized_keys and is that the correct command to run? |
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| 21:14.49 | dalias | i have a really annoying issue with bluetooth |
| 21:15.02 | alexbariv | jhutchins, setup menu? |
| 21:15.08 | dalias | whenever i suspend and resume, all of the known services on my bluetooth device get lost |
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| 21:15.11 | abrotman | Shiba: maybe they were removed .. not unheard of |
| 21:15.25 | dalias | if i'm using blueman, i have to rescan available services, then i can use it |
| 21:15.36 | dalias | if i'm using bluetooth-applet (gnome), i have to remove the device and re-add it |
| 21:15.43 | dalias | and then it will appear in networkmanager again |
| 21:15.53 | dalias | anyone know what could cause this and how to fix it |
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| 21:16.19 | Shiba | abrotman: doubtful. then Debian couldn't be used with tape changers in enterprise environments. |
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| 21:16.41 | jmd | Which is the default kernel version for squeeze? |
| 21:16.41 | abrotman | Shiba: wait .. according to the internets .. no one uses Debian in the enterprise?! |
| 21:16.55 | abrotman | judd: file mt-st --release squeeze |
| 21:16.59 | judd | mt-st in squeeze/i386: mt-st: bin/mt-st, etc/init.d/mt-st |
| 21:17.16 | abrotman | Shiba: seems to be right there? |
| 21:17.29 | jmd | Shiba, What's an "enterprise environment"? |
| 21:17.43 | Shiba | jmd: places where $100k tape changers exist |
| 21:17.43 | abrotman | Shiba: which $ARCH ? |
| 21:17.47 | Shiba | i386 |
| 21:17.52 | abrotman | it's there |
| 21:18.07 | abrotman | Shiba: so i guess let's start over .. what do you mean "what happened to" ? |
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| 21:18.16 | jmd | Shiba, ... when a $20 one is all that's necessary... |
| 21:18.23 | abrotman | jmd: ? |
| 21:19.00 | Shiba | abrotman: I can't find packages for mt-st, apt-cache search fails this time |
| 21:19.07 | Shiba | and the binary isn't installed |
| 21:19.10 | abrotman | Shiba: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 21:19.28 | michiel_an_jello | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.49 | Shiba | abrotman: only the cdrom and security updates are enabled, the installer couldn't make the "volatile" repo work |
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| 21:20.09 | Shiba | abrotman: where are the official package repos? |
| 21:20.29 | abrotman | Shiba: where are you geographically? |
| 21:20.35 | Shiba | California |
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| 21:20.39 | Shiba | USA |
| 21:20.53 | abrotman | Shiba: moment |
| 21:21.01 | jmd | Terms like "enterprise environment" usually mean: "What is familiar to me, and far more important than anything you could hope to experience. So if I don't like what you say, it's because you're totally ignorant." |
| 21:21.19 | stew | michiel_an_jello: i'd recommend using synclient / syndaemon |
| 21:21.22 | Shiba | jmd: sigh. |
| 21:21.40 | Shiba | kmd: I mean, places where you see $100k tape changers. |
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| 21:21.46 | abrotman | Shiba: deb http://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/ squeeze main ... add contrib/non-free for flavor |
| 21:21.47 | bbear | hello |
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| 21:21.58 | Shiba | abrotman: thanks |
| 21:21.58 | bbear | the live usb doesn't recognize my keyboard |
| 21:22.10 | bbear | try in the bios. |
| 21:22.53 | jmd | Shiba, You might well see them in research institutions or in major govt. departments. There's nothing entrepreneural about them. |
| 21:23.18 | Shiba | jmd: whatever. I just mean places where this software might be used. please stop being pedantic. |
| 21:23.27 | abrotman | jmd: stop being argumentative |
| 21:23.31 | abrotman | Shiba: got your packages? |
| 21:23.55 | petern_ | hmm, is it possible to run a squeeze vserver under a lenny host? |
| 21:24.03 | jmd | I'm not trolling. I'm just making the point that meaningless phrases don't help people to understand, and are best avoided. |
| 21:24.14 | abrotman | jmd: knock it off already .. you're not even being helfpul |
| 21:24.16 | abrotman | helpful |
| 21:24.39 | jmd | Well I can only help someone who wants to be helped. |
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| 21:25.14 | abrotman | he asked how to find a package .. not to argue dictionary definitions |
| 21:25.15 | michiel_an_jello | stew: aptitude doesn't find anything for either of them, and for "synapt" it only finds synaptic, gsynaptics,and the xorg driver stuff. |
| 21:25.16 | Shiba | abrotman: that hostname isn't resolving for me, but I got the picture. I have to add a mirror with the non-free packages available. |
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| 21:25.26 | abrotman | Shiba: there is also a berkeley mirror |
| 21:25.49 | abrotman | Shiba: deb http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ squeeze main |
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| 21:26.29 | jmd | abrotman, Like I said. I'm not being argumentative. There was a good reason for the point I made (as I explained). The first step to helping someone is to help them help themselves. |
| 21:26.38 | abrotman | you are arguing .. |
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| 21:26.45 | abrotman | you didn't help solve his problem .. at all |
| 21:27.00 | bbear | do not work more while activating usb keyb. |
| 21:27.01 | Shiba | abrotman: thanks, that fixed it for me :) |
| 21:27.10 | jhutchins | One might suggest deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/ squeeze main contrib... |
| 21:27.12 | abrotman | Shiba: have a nice day ... |
| 21:27.27 | Shiba | abrotman: many thanks |
| 21:27.32 | abrotman | jhutchins: he's lucky i didn't use cdn.debian.net :) |
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| 21:27.51 | jmd | abrotman, Perhaps not. But I might have helped him to make the first step at solving his own problems. |
| 21:27.59 | abrotman | ah no |
| 21:28.12 | jhutchins | jmd: Please stop wasting bandwidth over it. |
| 21:28.18 | abrotman | that works too |
| 21:28.38 | abrotman | hugs approx |
| 21:29.01 | hid3 | Why does my clock gets wrong by two hours after each reboot? My TZ is UTC+2 and I need to run ntpdate after each reboot. What's wrong? |
| 21:29.28 | jhutchins | alexbariv: I mean the setup menu for totem. I use mplayer and it just works. |
| 21:29.29 | abrotman | hid3: grep UTC /etc/default/rcS |
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| 21:29.45 | whitespirit | hid3: do you boot into windows inbetween debian boots? |
| 21:29.58 | hid3 | abrotman: it was set to 'NO' (indeed it is not) but I've tried changing to yes but that didn't help! |
| 21:30.04 | hid3 | no windows! |
| 21:30.06 | abrotman | it should be set to NO |
| 21:30.10 | hid3 | single boot machine |
| 21:30.25 | abrotman | what's the hwclock set to? |
| 21:30.39 | hid3 | 2 hours behind real time |
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| 21:30.50 | hid3 | that happens after ntpdate 'fixes' in debian |
| 21:31.04 | hid3 | if I change in BIOS then it is 2 hours late |
| 21:31.31 | jhutchins | hid3: Which release/kernel? |
| 21:31.37 | rhada | I have crested some ssh keys in.shh i need to use chmod to set permissions what would be the approaiate chmod command in this exampleto .shh and files restrictive |
| 21:31.46 | rhada | created |
| 21:31.56 | hid3 | squeeze 2.6.32 (686) |
| 21:32.16 | jhutchins | hid3: Works normally here, but I do have the hwclock set to UTC. |
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| 21:32.33 | hid3 | oh, that makes sense |
| 21:32.47 | hid3 | I recall having similar problem on other machine with lenny |
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| 21:33.06 | hid3 | the solution was not to reboot |
| 21:33.08 | jhutchins | hid3: Is your tzinfo up to date? |
| 21:33.15 | hid3 | yep |
| 21:33.22 | hid3 | a fresh system |
| 21:33.28 | jhutchins | hid3: Does the date command show the correct timezone? |
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| 21:33.36 | Midas3 | hi |
| 21:33.49 | hid3 | yes |
| 21:33.55 | Midas3 | im running debian squeeze and i have just installed plymouth from the repo. plymouth does not redirect the messages to var/log/boot.log in fact i do not get any log from plymouth at all. so the question is how to make plymouth log at all |
| 21:33.59 | hid3 | (after the ntpdate sync) |
| 21:35.03 | jhutchins | hwclock -r? |
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| 21:37.12 | lynx- | I'm trying to install cinelerra but it says I need these depends: liblame0, libopenexr2ldbl, and libquicktimehv. I have the regular and debian-multimedia.org in my /etc/apt/sources.list but it still can 't find it |
| 21:37.28 | lynx- | I downloaded cinelerra from http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/package/cinelerra.php |
| 21:37.59 | lynx- | Would I just add a line like deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org unstable main |
| 21:38.02 | lynx- | I already have stable in there |
| 21:38.07 | jhutchins | ,versions cinelerra |
| 21:38.08 | judd | Package cinelerra on i386 -- sid-multimedia: 4.2-0.1; squeeze-multimedia: 4.2-0.1; wheezy-multimedia: 4.2-0.1 |
| 21:38.15 | lynx- | I think I'd rather have sid |
| 21:38.18 | lynx- | right now I'm using lenny |
| 21:38.26 | jmd | jhutchins, It is not a waste. It is an important aspect of netiquette. It may be tempting to think that such a direct answer is helpful. But in fact spoonfeeding someone is the opposite. One aspect of the debian community is to educate a promote learning. |
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| 21:38.30 | lynx- | can I install cinelerra on lenny or do I have to reinstall Debian as sid |
| 21:38.32 | jhutchins | lynx-: No, you wouldn't. sid is broken. |
| 21:38.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i an using ntpdate from cron and its reporting back a wrong date in nov2009 and its saying it changin the date.. but i do a date on the box and its the right time.. what is going on here |
| 21:38.37 | jmd | Discussing appropriate terminology belongs thereto. |
| 21:38.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | cli forcoming |
| 21:38.52 | stew | lynx-: you should not be trying to mix lenny and squeeze or unstable like that |
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| 21:39.15 | stew | lynx-: if you want to install pacakges intended for squeeze, you should be upgrading to squeeze (/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze) |
| 21:39.18 | lynx- | I tried compiling Cinelerra from scratch, it kept crashing or showing a blank screen, and yes I have OpenGL in stalled |
| 21:39.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.43 | jhutchins | lynx-: Ah, we've run into the problem that the multimedia repo for lenny is dead. |
| 21:39.55 | lynx- | Why does Noobuntu get so many updates where Debian doesn't? |
| 21:39.56 | stew | Eryn_1983_FL: why use ntpdate instead of just running ntp? ntpdate authors deprecate its use |
| 21:40.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok.. |
| 21:40.10 | jhutchins | lynx-: You could use ssb to backport it from sid-multimedia |
| 21:40.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | i can do that |
| 21:40.42 | jhutchins | lynx-: ubuntu doesn't bother to see if the updates are broken before it releases them. |
| 21:41.25 | lynx- | SSB... an acronym or abbreviation for: Super Smash Bros? |
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| 21:41.31 | jhutchins | !ssb |
| 21:41.31 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 21:41.39 | lynx- | I see |
| 21:41.59 | jhutchins | You'll probably need the contrib and non-free repos as well. |
| 21:42.17 | stew | lynx-: i'd strongly recommend upgrading to the current stable release if you are going to try running much newer multimedia stuff |
| 21:42.22 | jhutchins | lynx-: Something like Single Sid Backport |
| 21:42.33 | abrotman | Simple ? |
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| 21:42.37 | lynx- | !bdo |
| 21:42.37 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <backports-sloppy> <volatile>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 21:43.06 | lynx- | !stable |
| 21:43.06 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Squeeze (6.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 21:43.06 | abrotman | or msg the bot ... |
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| 21:43.43 | lynx- | Okay |
| 21:43.46 | abrotman | Thank you. |
| 21:43.46 | lynx- | I understand |
| 21:43.54 | lynx- | I wasn't aware Debian 6 was out yet |
| 21:43.59 | lynx- | Thank you for your help |
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| 21:44.17 | rhada | I am being attacked evey minute on ssh i need some help please >I have created some ssh keys in.shh i need to use chmod to set permissions what would be the approaiate chmod command in this exampleto .shh and files restrictive |
| 21:44.28 | sterna | apt-get install fail2ban |
| 21:44.51 | jhutchins | rhada: Happens to everybody. No need to change the keys. |
| 21:45.13 | sterna | rhada: apt-get install fail2ban was for you. |
| 21:45.17 | jmd | rhada, chmod 600 key is usually the one. |
| 21:45.31 | jhutchins | rhada: Using fail2ban or throttling in iptables is about the only effective thing, or throttling/blocking at the firewall. |
| 21:45.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | whats is the syntax |
| 21:45.41 | rhada | jmd: thanks |
| 21:45.43 | nathwill | denyhosts is also very nice. |
| 21:45.50 | stew | Eryn_1983_FL: for what? |
| 21:46.01 | jmd | rhada, np |
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| 21:46.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | do i use the daeon for ntp |
| 21:46.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | or some cli stuff |
| 21:46.13 | stew | Eryn_1983_FL: /etc/init.d/ntp start |
| 21:46.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | i don are which |
| 21:46.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok but i got to put my server in the /etc/config |
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| 21:46.47 | rhada | nathwill: yes I have thought about that to |
| 21:46.55 | jhutchins | Eryn_1983_FL: Debian comes configured with a working server. |
| 21:47.00 | stew | Eryn_1983_FL: /etc/ntp.conf is the config file for ntp, if that is what you are asking |
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| 21:47.14 | obsd123 | can anyone recommend a good way to checksum every file in the filesystem? |
| 21:47.31 | nathwill | tripwire? |
| 21:47.36 | jhutchins | obsd123: debsums or tripwire, depending on what you're trying to do. |
| 21:47.39 | tuggle | hi, could someone explain the align-payload option for cryptsetup? |
| 21:47.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 21:47.49 | michiel_an_jello | obsd123: checksum the actual FS. |
| 21:47.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | didnt know that |
| 21:47.56 | stew | obsd123: do you mean calculate them so that you'll know in the future what might be changed? or perhaps check to see what might have already been changed? |
| 21:48.08 | stew | obsd123: or what exactly is your goal? |
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| 21:48.20 | rhada | jmd: i was wondering 2 thoughts came to me how do keys in get activated ie what lines are needed in ssh config ? |
| 21:48.23 | obsd123 | I want to setup a honeypot, and I want to checksum all of the files so that I'll know what's changed after the attacker has "compromised" the system |
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| 21:48.38 | jhutchins | obsd123: tripwire then. |
| 21:49.00 | stew | obsd123: i'd recommend samhain |
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| 21:49.23 | nathwill | rhada, use authorized users and permit root login = no... |
| 21:49.26 | frikinz | obsd123: rather a vm then.. |
| 21:49.30 | obsd123 | thanks jhutchins and stew . . . I'll look into those programs. Any quick points on what one will do that th eother won't? |
| 21:49.34 | karlpinc | obsd123: I once got sick of tripwire and was going to use samhain instead, but never got to it. |
| 21:49.54 | nathwill | forrhada, for immediate relief while you tighten up ssh security, you could change ssh to an ethereal port... |
| 21:50.17 | jhutchins | obsd123: debsums checks the sums of debian packages, tripwire checks important system files, keeps a database of sums, and checks files against those sums on a scheduled basis. |
| 21:50.34 | rhada | nathwill: yes I have set root=no thanks |
| 21:50.56 | obsd123 | what about between samhain and tripwire? |
| 21:51.11 | karlpinc | obsd123: I don't recall, other than thinking samhain was better. |
| 21:51.14 | Midas3 | ok, i guess plymouth isnt very popular in the debian world yet :) |
| 21:51.35 | jhutchins | .info samhain |
| 21:51.41 | jhutchins | ,info samhain |
| 21:51.42 | judd | Package samhain (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: Data integrity and host intrusion alert system. Version: 2.6.2-1; Size: 1072.4k; Installed: 2436k; Homepage: http://la-samhna.de/samhain/index.html |
| 21:52.00 | rhada | nathwill: what I was thinking is when I connect from remote on 22 how is this new key utilzed? |
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| 21:52.36 | korencia | obsd123 check package tct "collection of programs for a post-mortem analysis of a UNIX system after break-in. Install this BEFORE you need to use it, so you do not risk destroying essential forensic data before you begin." |
| 21:53.05 | nathwill | rhada, you need the text of your public key for your login-orin in the .ssh/authorized_keys file in your login-destination server... |
| 21:53.23 | karlpinc | rhada: rtfm the man pages. It's all there. |
| 21:53.42 | nathwill | rhada, there's a good how-to here... http://www.petefreitag.com/item/532.cfm |
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| 21:55.40 | stew | nathwill: just using ssh-copy-id is beter and easier |
| 21:55.47 | rhada | nathwill: ok so as well as the password the public key is needed say for example i use awindows machine from my work place with putty-- |
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| 21:56.05 | obsd123 | the thing is I don't want to leave anything on the target system after I'm done checksumming it because I don't want to alert the attacker. Am I wrong in thinking that if I checksum beforehand, checksum post-mortem and then diff the two checksum databases (maybe after wrangling them into an appropriate format), I'll find out everything I need to know? |
| 21:56.19 | rhada | ok copy key -id thanks |
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| 21:56.39 | nathwill | rhada, if you want the theory, it's best to read the man pages... and stew's comment is also good. |
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| 21:57.13 | antarus | Is there a python-api for reading /etc/apt/preferences files? I see some things in python-apt but the api is very...opaque |
| 21:57.20 | jhutchins | obsd123: Trust me, use tripwire or samhain. They're cumbersome enough. |
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| 21:58.45 | obsd123 | alright, I think I'll try samhain -- tripwire looks more corporate-y |
| 21:58.49 | bluesceada | can i find a list somewhere which basic packages get installed in a squeeze installation? |
| 21:59.27 | frikinz | Humm I have one build-dep missing (which I DONT want) in a huge list. apt-get -s build-dep doesn't help to see all the others. Or how to ignore one? |
| 21:59.33 | jhutchins | bluesceada: dpkg -l |
| 21:59.47 | bluesceada | jhutchins: without having to install it of course ;D |
| 21:59.57 | _Dave123_ | any vnc for debian users here?? |
| 22:00.03 | bluesceada | somewhere online ? in some manual? |
| 22:00.14 | frikinz | or have build-dep installed from a local package |
| 22:00.19 | frikinz | ? |
| 22:00.32 | jhutchins | bluesceada: What's your real question? |
| 22:00.41 | bluesceada | this is my real question |
| 22:00.50 | stew | bluesceada: do you have a current squeeze install? |
| 22:00.50 | bluesceada | ok, i accidentally removed alsa it seems |
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| 22:00.57 | bluesceada | stew: yes |
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| 22:01.02 | jhutchins | bluesceada: I suspect you want to know if a particular package is or is not installed. |
| 22:01.02 | duxklr | obsd123: look into ossec also. It does file system check sums off box. I have used all of them. I like OSSEC because it was simple to setup and simple to maintain. |
| 22:01.04 | bluesceada | and i want to have exactly the "original" packages... |
| 22:01.08 | bluesceada | jhutchins: no |
| 22:01.17 | stew | bluesceada: "aptitude search '~prequired' '~pimportant'" is the list of packages |
| 22:01.20 | RickHull | what does 'dfsg' indicate in an application version? i.e. as reported by dpkg -l I know what the DFSG are |
| 22:01.28 | bluesceada | because i wasnt sure what else got removed when getting rid of pulseaudio |
| 22:01.35 | bluesceada | maybe using aptitude wasnt so wise |
| 22:01.45 | bluesceada | somehow alsa got removed aswell .... |
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| 22:02.03 | stew | RickHull: typically that the upstream source was altered to remove something that didn't comply with the dfsg |
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| 22:02.09 | nathwill | bluesceada: i'm pretty sure there's a dpkg log that may give you a list of what was removed |
| 22:02.12 | RickHull | stew: ah, makes sense |
| 22:02.17 | bluesceada | so i wanted to get sure that i have all the basic system package i usually want to have... |
| 22:02.19 | nathwill | bluesceada: somewhere in /var/log |
| 22:02.26 | bluesceada | nathwill: ohh logs... of course, thank you :-) |
| 22:02.35 | nathwill | :) |
| 22:02.39 | Midas3 | bluesceada: aptitude why pulseaudio could also give you some hints |
| 22:02.52 | bluesceada | Midas3: yeh i know, but it doesnt do enough |
| 22:02.58 | bluesceada | especially if pulseaudio is removed |
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| 22:03.13 | bluesceada | it was there only because of kdeaccessibility, so it's strange that removing it also removed alsa :S |
| 22:03.22 | Midas3 | i see. it is not very verbose |
| 22:03.23 | bluesceada | aptitude's fault it seems... |
| 22:03.34 | bluesceada | should I be using apt-get ? |
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| 22:04.46 | kgoetz | bluesceada: why not just reinstall alsa? |
| 22:05.04 | obsd123 | duxklr: the agentless mode for ossec looks interesting. I know if I were going to attack a system one of the first things I would do would be to check what services were running on it, which would be a dead give away as to the nature of the operation. Attacker -- "Hmm, they've been passing plaintext passwords around in email and here's a system with an IDS installed" |
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| 22:05.26 | bluesceada | kgoetz: i guess that something else went away, because it was a list of packages i just blindly accepted :S |
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| 22:05.46 | bluesceada | ok the dpkg.log doesnt really help :/ |
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| 22:05.57 | bluesceada | seems to be incomplete.. |
| 22:06.25 | bluesceada | i also had strange behavior because / was completely full ... |
| 22:06.33 | bluesceada | multiple things at once :/ |
| 22:07.10 | bluesceada | so back to my original question |
| 22:07.59 | bluesceada | stew: that is really the list? .. why would it show debian-multimedia-keyring being from the original squeeze install :/ |
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| 22:08.54 | bluesceada | and traceroute ..hmh |
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| 22:11.04 | Midas3 | /var/log/aptitude bluesceada |
| 22:11.15 | bluesceada | ugh ok thanks |
| 22:11.56 | duxklr | obsd123: Check all the other applications. It has been a while since I used samhain, but I know tripwire has a process running (at least the commercial version). |
| 22:12.02 | duxklr | So they are all kind of giveaways. |
| 22:12.15 | bluesceada | hm also not helping, i guess it wasnt written to harddisc because it was full :S |
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| 22:12.27 | bookmark | hiya |
| 22:12.37 | homie | lo |
| 22:12.45 | bluesceada | there should be some safety mechanism for / becoming full :S |
| 22:12.51 | bookmark | does anyone know how to access the stdlib dev manpages?? for c++ |
| 22:13.18 | homie | ask in ##c++ |
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| 22:13.27 | anddam | hello |
| 22:13.29 | obsd123 | man stdlib.h ? |
| 22:13.37 | kgoetz | bookmark: manpages-dev |
| 22:13.39 | kgoetz | iirc |
| 22:13.45 | karsten-nr | bookmark: You'll probably want to install the relevant dev manpages. |
| 22:13.51 | bookmark | kgoetz, they don't appear to be in there |
| 22:14.13 | bookmark | i found this apt-get install stl-manual |
| 22:14.33 | bluesceada | that more sounds like standard template library to me |
| 22:14.36 | bookmark | but some people say stl isn't stdlib or??? |
| 22:14.47 | bookmark | http://kera.name/articles/2010/08/it-is-not-called-the-stl-mmkay/ |
| 22:15.00 | bookmark | yeah but i guess they are very similar or something |
| 22:15.01 | bluesceada | what do you need |
| 22:15.11 | bluesceada | maybe http://open-std.org/ ? |
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| 22:15.46 | bookmark | those would have pdf i guess |
| 22:15.46 | bluesceada | you mean stdlib.h and associated functions or what do you need? |
| 22:15.57 | bookmark | im hoping more for man or html |
| 22:16.18 | bookmark | right |
| 22:16.45 | bookmark | pdf works i guess |
| 22:17.06 | bookmark | but i think it costs |
| 22:17.18 | bookmark | oh they have the drafts |
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| 22:17.25 | dondelelcaro | bluesceada: there is, it's called reserved blocks. |
| 22:17.42 | anddam | I've got virtualbox-ose-guest-dkms installed, do I still need to follow http://virtualboxes.org/doc/installing-guest-additions-on-debian/ instructions, i.e. mount guest additions iso and build from there? |
| 22:17.53 | bluesceada | dondelelcaro: yes but they can be used by root, right? |
| 22:18.03 | bluesceada | so the package manager doesnt complain etc. ... |
| 22:18.09 | dondelelcaro | bluesceada: sure, but if they couldn't be, then you might as well have no space. |
| 22:18.21 | rhada | according to sshd_config the line reads #AuthorizedKeysFile%h/.ssh/authorized_keys but the keys are in /home/admins/.ssh/authorized_keys and does the authorized_keys dir need to be copied into the /etc/ssh dir? |
| 22:18.35 | bluesceada | yeh, because of that the solution to what i am experiencing would be more complex |
| 22:19.09 | bluesceada | i also cant think of one right now, ... |
| 22:20.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok i got it workin |
| 22:20.13 | bluesceada | anyway, i am away now.. |
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| 22:23.30 | stew | bluesceada: right, if you have non-debian sources, that query would return non-debian packages |
| 22:23.30 | _Dave123_ | how can I make vnc4server only listen to a local (OpenVPN_ interface? |
| 22:23.32 | _Dave123_ | anyones knows? |
| 22:23.43 | stew | bluesceada: but no, debian-multimedia-keyring would not be part of a base debian install |
| 22:24.14 | xyriphe | anddam: No, you should have all the guest additions you need. At least I got them automatically when installing Squeeze. |
| 22:24.37 | anddam | xyriphe: correct, I didn't noticed I could already resize xorg |
| 22:24.59 | anddam | xyriphe: is there a way to start X session with a specific size? |
| 22:25.07 | anddam | I resized the window and I'd like to go back to 4:3 |
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| 22:28.27 | xyriphe | Yes, there is, but I don't quite recall the procedure. It should be in the xorg.conf, though. |
| 22:29.51 | obsd123 | _Dave123_: for an application independent solution, use iptables |
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| 22:30.29 | obsd123 | vnc4server itself probably can be configured to listen on a specific interface, but you'd have to refer to its documentation for a specific example of how to do that |
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| 22:31.53 | _Dave123_ | its not in the doc |
| 22:34.02 | engla_ | This may be a dumb question, but how do I transfer Synaptic package pins to apt-get? |
| 22:34.36 | xyriphe | Package pins? |
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| 22:35.17 | xyriphe | Oh, nm. |
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| 22:37.37 | rhada | thanks for the help here best way is to make a good passphrase for user seems a way forward |
| 22:37.50 | engla_ | xyriphe: achievement pins for installing many packages, breaking many at a time etc.. |
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| 22:38.12 | bbear | hello |
| 22:38.29 | bbear | debian does not work on my epia pd motherboard with a c3 nehemiah proc. |
| 22:38.35 | bbear | How can I do ? |
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| 22:39.30 | xyriphe | engla_: /etc/apt/preferences seems to be where pins are defined. |
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| 22:40.21 | sparc_ | Hey, does anyone know what tool in the build toolchain generates .dsc files? |
| 22:40.54 | sparc_ | i get that i should dh_make -> *something to make source deb* -> then use pbuilder to make the binary package |
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| 22:41.10 | sparc_ | pbuilder seems to want a dsc file |
| 22:41.16 | sparc_ | god help me if i know what that is |
| 22:41.32 | xyriphe | bbear: That's not much to go on. |
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| 22:44.16 | bbear | I think the debian lenny is for 686. |
| 22:44.22 | bbear | I need 586 to get it working. |
| 22:44.36 | bbear | I get stuck on the first screen, choosing which system I have to boot. |
| 22:44.48 | bbear | I just made dd if=debian.img of=/dev/sdb |
| 22:44.57 | bbear | then plugged it into the computer and boot. |
| 22:45.04 | bbear | The start screen get stucked. |
| 22:45.09 | bbear | No autoboot working. |
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| 23:01.55 | jacktheripper | I'm using compiz with gwd. Shadows don't change when I tweak the settings in gconf (or compizconfig). Any reason ? |
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| 23:05.58 | reisio | guys, with the Debian installer, at the end when you have the option of installing a web server, does that install anything more than just Apache? |
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| 23:11.39 | malph0rm | not sure....i always do a minimal install and install stuff like that manually afterwards |
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| 23:11.46 | reisio | I would, too |
| 23:11.52 | malph0rm | ...probably just ritual...makes me feel more confident about it |
| 23:12.00 | reisio | want to know for rhetoric :p |
| 23:12.27 | reisio | "â¦when you finish installing Debian you can even opt to install Apache with FOO!", etc. |
| 23:12.34 | malph0rm | test it in a vm or something and dpkg -l after a fresh installation |
| 23:12.40 | malph0rm | see wutcha got |
| 23:12.41 | malph0rm | ;) |
| 23:12.42 | reisio | yeah, was hoping to avoid that :p |
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| 23:19.50 | homie | waaaaaahahahahaha, i'm firefox killer nr. 1 |
| 23:20.02 | homie | and iceweasel |
| 23:20.23 | homie | it crashed again |
| 23:20.25 | homie | eheheh |
| 23:20.42 | homie | can't handle memory well |
| 23:20.49 | homie | 4g is not enough |
| 23:21.20 | homie | even with plugins to manage cache and get memory freed etc... |
| 23:21.28 | jhutchins_lt | homie: 1g here is plenty. |
| 23:21.44 | homie | not when you have open like 300 pdfs or so |
| 23:22.02 | homie | or/and djvu's and .chms etc.. |
| 23:22.15 | jhutchins_lt | No, because I wouldn't even try that. |
| 23:22.39 | homie | and not when you already have virtualbox running in some other workspace |
| 23:23.07 | homie | well i got rid of acroread... |
| 23:23.07 | jhutchins_lt | I _am_ having trouble driving this nail with my screwdriver though. |
| 23:23.11 | homie | did not help too |
| 23:23.29 | homie | as soon as i got mozpluger installed things got somehow crazy over here |
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| 23:23.56 | homie | acroread spawns multiple threads and so does mozplugger and even okular now... |
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| 23:26.27 | reisio | honestly, I could easily attribute the problem to Adobe software alone :p |
| 23:26.54 | jhutchins_lt | xpdf, kpdf... |
| 23:27.04 | homie | well, i got rid of it and made iceweasel open pdf via okular, nothing changed |
| 23:27.16 | reisio | homie: so you're mixing GTK+ and Qt software |
| 23:27.27 | reisio | that's ...efficient</sarcasm><sarcasm> |
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| 23:27.47 | reisio | PDF is a whore just as a format :) |
| 23:28.03 | babilen | homie: Is there actually anything we can help you with? |
| 23:28.11 | homie | nope |
| 23:28.15 | homie | thanks though |
| 23:28.37 | jhutchins_lt | Perhaps we need #debian-venting |
| 23:28.52 | amphi | heh |
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| 23:46.22 | andiolsi | hi, im built my own kernel (2.6.38-rc7) and stripped A LOT of unneeded stuff from its .config (per default menuconfig seems to use the .config of the running kernel, that is 2.6.32-5-amd64 from squeeze/wheezy). when i try to boot it with grub2 i just get a cursor "_" and no "Loading kernel ...." |
| 23:46.44 | andiolsi | im in the process of compiling the kernel with the exact .config of the stock debian kernel, with all the "bloat" |
| 23:47.58 | km | any ideas on how to list process that is cuasing sockets on SYN_SENT? |
| 23:47.58 | andiolsi | but as this will take a while, so if anyone has an idea what could be the issue i would be grateful. (need to get this done before i go to sleep, have to get up at 6am and its almos 1am allready) |
| 23:50.27 | andiolsi | km im not sure what you mean, but have you tried greping output from "lsof"? |
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| 23:50.58 | jhutchins_lt | andiolsi: You can't necessarily take the .config from one kernel version and build a different version with it. |
| 23:51.20 | jhutchins_lt | andiolsi: You need to use make oldconfig first to transfer the settings, then review the menuconfig to check for new ones. |
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| 23:52.02 | efaistos | there is no pkg of firefox 3.6.14 |
| 23:52.03 | efaistos | ? |
| 23:52.26 | andiolsi | jhutchins_lt: i was under the impression that running menuconfig on an older .config takes care of this |
| 23:54.01 | daemonkeeper | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 23:54.03 | judd | Package iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-4~bpo50+1; sid: 3.5.16-4; squeeze: 3.5.16-4; wheezy: 3.5.16-4; experimental: 4.0~b12-1 |
| 23:55.07 | daemonkeeper | So, no, no Iceweasel 3.6 (anymore), however you can get it directly from Iceweasel maintainers if you really want to use that. |
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| 23:59.17 | autojack | at work we use a local apt repo for distributing internal packages we build. I want to be able to do an 'apt-get update' that only pulls updated info from our internal repo, not all the other Debian official repos we have configured. from what I was told, the only way to do this is to: 1. manually pull down the package cache files from our repo; 2. put them in the right place on the local box; 3. run some dpkg command to update the local cache. |
| 23:59.23 | autojack | I'm willing to do that for this particular weird use case we have. can someone tip me off to 1. what files I need to pull down; 2. where I need to put them; 3. what command I need to run against them? |