| 00:00.12 | ivanberia1 | if someone knew where i could download lenny i would appreciate it but otherwise i'll just use a current version |
| 00:00.28 | streuner | dpkg, lenny |
| 00:00.28 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-15 and superseded by Squeeze as of 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 . Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>, <lenny release notes>, <install lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.8>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 00:00.38 | streuner | dpkg, install lenny |
| 00:00.38 | dpkg | Links to Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 ("Lenny") installation images are provided at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/debian-installer/ . Note that Lenny has been superseded by Squeeze, ask me about <install squeeze>. See also <errata lenny> and <lenny install guide>. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.8/ |
| 00:01.25 | ivanberia1 | ty |
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| 00:01.37 | streuner | hm, np |
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| 00:07.16 | irfaN | Hi guys, I broke my grub bootloader on debian after dist-upgrade. I used with livecd and chroot to my system disk, "grub-install /dev/sda" everything looking fine. But my machine doesnt boot. How can I test it will boot or not ? |
| 00:09.48 | irfaN | How can test it before reboot (after any configure) it will work or not |
| 00:10.19 | streuner | just use a LIVE-CD, chroot it, and run 'update grub-update" |
| 00:10.49 | streuner | update-grub? |
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| 00:11.19 | streuner | lilo -vv was better, IMO |
| 00:12.07 | karsten-nr | irfaN: How does it fail at boot? |
| 00:12.08 | irfaN | Okay, i will try after got new password from datacenter for livecd.. |
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| 00:12.22 | karsten-nr | irfaN: And is the system local or remote? |
| 00:12.29 | irfaN | karsten-nr, its remote machine |
| 00:12.38 | streuner | .oO |
| 00:12.48 | streuner | great |
| 00:12.49 | karsten-nr | irfaN: Got remote console / drac / serial console? |
| 00:13.24 | irfaN | no, they open with live cd and will give new root pasword, just ssh |
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| 00:14.01 | karsten-nr | irfaN: That sucks. It's really tough to debug GRUB issues if you can't see console output at boot. |
| 00:14.08 | karsten-nr | irfaN: How far away is remote? |
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| 00:14.40 | irfaN | its another country, impossible.. |
| 00:15.04 | MrWatson | ok, question, i can only boot from floppy and i've read that debian used to have ftp install floppies, could i use those to install then update to what is basically squeeze? |
| 00:15.24 | homie | waah, my dumpkeys is not working |
| 00:15.39 | homie | the console descriptor is not found |
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| 00:15.54 | homie | how can i enable that ? |
| 00:16.14 | homie | is it /dev/xconsole that's needed ? |
| 00:16.21 | homie | i mean access to ? |
| 00:16.22 | irfaN | karsten-nr, please let me know if you know any way for test the bootloader before reboot the machine ? |
| 00:17.12 | karsten-nr | irfaN: I'd try it under qemu or another emulator, or locally on similar hardware. |
| 00:17.36 | karsten-nr | irfaN: Depends on whether the issue is syntax, host-specific, etc. Booting's your best test. |
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| 00:18.31 | MrWatson | well, i just need an os period at this point, does any one have an idea where to find one of these floppies? i keep reading about them but can't find them |
| 00:18.38 | stew | MrWatson: you are trying to do a fresh install from floppies? |
| 00:18.53 | MrWatson | basically, yes |
| 00:19.03 | stew | MrWatson: they haven't been offered since etch |
| 00:19.20 | stew | !lenny floppies |
| 00:19.20 | dpkg | [bf] Boot floppies are Debian-Installer images written to floppy disks, then used to install a Debian system. These were last available for the Etch/4.0 release, see <etch floppies>. From the <lenny errata>: "Due to an increase in the size of the Linux kernel, we are unable to provide installation images for installs from floppy disk." |
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| 00:19.53 | MrWatson | i know, but my question was if i install etch by floppies and updated, would it be basically squeeze |
| 00:20.10 | MrWatson | ah, i see the last line |
| 00:20.13 | MrWatson | thanks |
| 00:20.17 | stew | theoretically you could install etch floppies, then upgrade to lenny, then upgrade to squeeze |
| 00:20.24 | stew | in practice, it would probably not be so easy |
| 00:20.49 | karsten-nr | MrWatson: I'd find an alternate installation/boot method. |
| 00:21.07 | MrWatson | well, as i need just any os at this point, arch can install using another linux, so i might do that to get an up to date kernel |
| 00:21.10 | karsten-nr | MrWatson: can you attach any sort of storage to this box? If not, swap the drive into something else and go from there. |
| 00:21.32 | karsten-nr | MrWatson: tomsrtbt is about the last bootable floppy left, but it doesn't handle a lot of newer HW. |
| 00:21.52 | MrWatson | karsten-nr, i'm at college, so just two laptops, ones sata, the others not, can't swap |
| 00:22.15 | karsten-nr | MrWatson: Got friends? |
| 00:22.31 | MrWatson | can't use other storage, no cd drive, won't boot usb, won't actuallly boot floopies, but floppy img's on usb |
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| 00:22.52 | MrWatson | and i was going to use toms, but no network to use |
| 00:23.00 | karsten-nr | MrWatson: Debian offers you a hell of a lot of boot methods. If you've got USB, then USB stick, external drive enclosure, CD/DVD, etc., are all there. |
| 00:23.03 | piercedwater | hi blakkheim |
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| 00:23.18 | karsten-nr | MrWatson: serial or parallel ports? |
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| 00:23.33 | MrWatson | my bios won't let me boot anything else |
| 00:23.33 | blakkheim | i just got my debian shirt in the mail! anyone think it'll help me pick up some lady friends? |
| 00:23.43 | karsten-nr | MrWatson: tomsrtbt includes PLIP and SLIP. I've installed using those. |
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| 00:24.02 | karsten-nr | MrWatson: ... which is a really sick hobby, if you ask me. |
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| 00:24.28 | karsten-nr | MrWatson: You'll need a null-modem (serial) or laplink (parallel) cross-connect cable. |
| 00:24.32 | MrWatson | hrm i don't remember, its been too long since i took out the drive |
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| 00:25.01 | MrWatson | oh man my heads wrong |
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| 00:25.24 | MrWatson | and serial on that one and nothing on this one -_- |
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| 00:25.40 | MrWatson | i missed ports, my bad |
| 00:25.45 | karsten-nr | PCMCIA? |
| 00:25.51 | MrWatson | yes |
| 00:25.54 | minimike | Hello, just a question :) Can I set up options for dpkg-shlibdeps or dh_shlibdeps on ~/debian/rules by creating a debianpackage? |
| 00:26.11 | minimike | or something with enviromentvariables |
| 00:26.30 | MrWatson | i think i'll either use tomsrtbt to install or get etch and then go from there |
| 00:27.00 | MrWatson | like i said, i just want an os, so if i have to install arch from etch, i'm fine with it |
| 00:27.20 | toni_ | hi people , need to create weekly automatic backup for 1 .txt file and to upload it in remote ftp server . |
| 00:27.21 | karsten-nr | MrWatson: alternately: you might be able to get a SYSLINUX boot floppy which will allow you to boot from USB media. |
| 00:27.27 | karsten-nr | MrWatson: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/SYSLINUX |
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| 00:37.29 | ludens | does anyone know if there is a file i can 'cat' to see what picture is set as x background? |
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| 00:38.12 | pipeline | ludens: there isn't |
| 00:38.19 | pipeline | ludens: it's going to vary by desktop environment |
| 00:38.24 | pipeline | ludens: easy way to set it -- xsetroot |
| 00:38.28 | ludens | hm ok thanks |
| 00:38.37 | ludens | yeah i use Esetroot |
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| 00:38.50 | ludens | but i have a script that changes it at intervals |
| 00:39.04 | ludens | i want to make a script for changing the scaling |
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| 00:39.47 | ludens | so i need to input the current image |
| 00:41.20 | MrWatson | karsten-nr, i think i'll go the syslinux floppy way, because of the pseudo floppy way i have to boot, it don't want to load the etch installer |
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| 00:44.44 | karsten-nr | MrWatson: I think that may be your best bet. |
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| 00:45.15 | karsten-nr | MrWatson: Peter Anvin (author of syslinux) also has (or includes with that) a PXE boot floppy which will let you netboot. In which case you could do an FAI installation. |
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| 00:46.21 | MrWatson | i've tried pxe of another distro and the setting it up is sketchy |
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| 00:46.33 | MrWatson | what i was using was arch and instructions were hard to come by |
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| 00:47.55 | MrWatson | i know, if i use arch as a primary, why try to install debian on this machine, well if the install floppy had worked, thats why, plus, you guys are much more helpful than #archlinux |
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| 00:51.26 | karsten-nr | MrWatson: :) |
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| 00:51.46 | Muffie | hello all. just installed debian 6 on an old p3 notebook. I need to compile network drivers but I can't remember how to install gcc package and everything else |
| 00:52.03 | lynks | apt-get install gcc |
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| 00:52.16 | Muffie | lynks: that's all I would need? |
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| 00:52.32 | lynks | oh you mean to comile the drivers, no you need a few other things |
| 00:52.33 | Muffie | remember that I dont have network on it! :)_ |
| 00:52.48 | Muffie | only 1st dvd |
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| 00:53.58 | lynks | someone else will be able to help better than me, but i believe you will need module-assistant and your kernel source |
| 00:54.07 | lynks | both of which can be installed with apt |
| 00:54.20 | abrotman | Muffie: which card? |
| 00:54.30 | abrotman | and the package he'd really want is build-essential |
| 00:54.49 | lynks | abrotman = someone else who can help better than me :) |
| 00:54.59 | Muffie | abrotman: yep. that one. It's a USB stick EDUP 802.11n. It's realtek, let me check the specific chip |
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| 00:55.21 | Muffie | abrotman: RTL8188SU |
| 00:56.04 | abrotman | !rtl8188su |
| 00:56.04 | dpkg | [rtl8192su] r8192s_usb is a Linux kernel module produced by the rtl8192su staging driver, supporting Realtek RTL8188SU, RTL8191S and RTL8192SU 802.11n USB wireless LAN chipsets. Enabled as of linux-2.6 2.6.32-10 (x86 architectures only). Firmware is required (RTL8192SU/rtl8192sfw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. Not to be confused with the <rtl8192u> driver. See also <r8712u>. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 00:56.09 | abrotman | oh, that's bad! |
| 00:56.13 | abrotman | oh .. there we go |
| 00:56.22 | abrotman | Muffie: running squeeze? |
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| 00:58.49 | Muffie | back |
| 00:59.06 | Muffie | downloaded yesterday from the debian website. It's the stable version |
| 00:59.13 | Muffie | it's called squeeze now? :) |
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| 01:00.43 | Muffie | hmm, weird. Just plugged a cable on the regular lan. and even the internal one is not detected |
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| 01:01.27 | Muffie | let me check lspci |
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| 01:04.01 | Muffie | enabling it on the bios always help |
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| 01:05.28 | abrotman | Muffie: did you see wha tthe bot said ? |
| 01:05.53 | Muffie | well, I saw that. but I was not able to understand. let me read it again |
| 01:06.16 | abrotman | !tell Muffie about realtek firmware |
| 01:06.40 | abrotman | Muffie: do you currently have a wired connection that works ? |
| 01:06.54 | Muffie | Just rebooted. let me check |
| 01:07.10 | Muffie | let me ping something |
| 01:07.21 | Muffie | yes!!! |
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| 01:07.51 | Muffie | what should I get? I'm a little confused with dpkg bot |
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| 01:11.29 | abrotman | Muffie: you need to alter your /etc/apt/sources.list .. add " contrib non-free" at the end of each line .. then `aptitude update; aptitude install firmware-nonfree' |
| 01:11.46 | Muffie | np. let me do that |
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| 01:15.28 | Muffie | abrotman: could not find firmware-nonfree. let me recheck everything |
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| 01:15.52 | abrotman | Muffie: you can put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
| 01:16.05 | Muffie | sure. let me connect to an irc client on the notebook |
| 01:16.18 | abrotman | bleh .. wrong package name |
| 01:16.18 | abrotman | hold on |
| 01:16.35 | abrotman | Muffie: firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 01:17.20 | Muffie | abrotman: still nothing. let me show you everything on pastebin. |
| 01:17.29 | Muffie | bitchx still exists? |
| 01:18.16 | abrotman | Muffie: irssi |
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| 01:19.12 | Muffie | there's probably something wrong on my sources.list |
| 01:19.23 | Muffie | just a few entries |
| 01:20.01 | Muffie | abrotman: sudo apt-cache search irssi finds nothing. x-chat finds nothing... :( |
| 01:20.28 | abrotman | Muffie: where are you geographically? |
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| 01:21.40 | Muffie | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d6yJJYUn |
| 01:21.50 | Muffie | abrotman: I'm in the middle of monkeys, carnival and bananas! :) |
| 01:21.58 | Muffie | Brazil! |
| 01:21.59 | abrotman | Rio? |
| 01:22.07 | Muffie | never |
| 01:22.14 | Muffie | Sao Paulo, but I'm from South Brazil |
| 01:22.17 | Muffie | totally different |
| 01:22.30 | abrotman | wants to try sao paulo shrimp |
| 01:23.17 | Muffie | shrimp? |
| 01:23.23 | abrotman | Muffie: in that file, add "deb http://debs.ifsul.edu.br/debian/ main contrib non-free" .. then 'aptitude update; aptitude install firmware-linux-nonfree' |
| 01:24.56 | Muffie | abrotman: debs.ifsul.edu.br not found |
| 01:25.20 | abrotman | debian.pop-sc.rnp.br instead ? |
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| 01:26.32 | tonytraductor | I have two machines here, one a 3.2ghz celeron 32b machine, and one a 2.8duo AMD64, both running squeeze |
| 01:26.51 | Muffie | abrotman: just give me the US address! :) |
| 01:26.52 | tonytraductor | I can sshfs mount the AMD64 machine on the Celeron, but not the other way around, and can't figure out why |
| 01:27.01 | tonytraductor | in both, my user is part of the fuse group |
| 01:27.08 | tonytraductor | I can ssh from either one to the other |
| 01:27.09 | abrotman | Muffie: i'm trying to give you a local one .. sounds like your dns isn't working at all though |
| 01:27.23 | abrotman | Muffie: you can try 'ftp.br.debian.org' |
| 01:27.24 | Muffie | addresses can be open at a browser |
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| 01:28.25 | tonytraductor | In fact, I can ssh from the amd64 to the celeron, then sshfs mount the amd on the celeron |
| 01:28.40 | tonytraductor | but I can't mount the celeron machine on the amd64 |
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| 01:29.35 | tonytraductor | weird, no? |
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| 01:30.36 | tonytraductor | if that's not clear: I can ssh in either direction, but I can only sshfs mount in one direction |
| 01:30.46 | Muffie | abrotman: take a look at this: http://pastebin.com/8SMkB52P |
| 01:30.54 | tonytraductor | both have fuse installed, and I am in the fuse group on both boxen |
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| 01:31.03 | Muffie | abrotman: DNS is resolving correctly |
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| 01:31.29 | abrotman | Muffie: moment |
| 01:31.48 | abrotman | Muffie: okay, use the 'ftp.br.debian.org' instead of what's there now |
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| 01:32.04 | gueriLLaPunK | so im trying to remove the old version of WINE on my 9.10 install |
| 01:32.06 | tonytraductor | I just pinged 200.237.192.15, 0% packet loss |
| 01:32.15 | abrotman | gueriLLaPunK: you want #ubuntu |
| 01:32.23 | gueriLLaPunK | i have debian, thou |
| 01:32.40 | tonytraductor | there is no Debian 9.10, guerillaPunK |
| 01:32.42 | abrotman | Your problem is with ubuntu |
| 01:32.46 | gueriLLaPunK | interesting |
| 01:33.02 | tonytraductor | the current Debian Stable release is 6.0 |
| 01:33.07 | tonytraductor | Squeeze |
| 01:33.13 | gueriLLaPunK | o snap, u are correct |
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| 01:33.21 | gueriLLaPunK | LOL no wonder the commands i was trying to do wasnt working |
| 01:33.25 | Muffie | abrotman: "deb ftp://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ main contrib non-free" ? |
| 01:33.35 | abrotman | Muffie: yes |
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| 01:34.13 | tonytraductor | so...why can I ssh ni both directions, but only sshfs in one? |
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| 01:35.06 | karsten-nr | tonytraductor: anything interesting in logs on either side? |
| 01:36.14 | [switch] | Which is the best way to build an ISO image from the contects of a directory? |
| 01:36.26 | Muffie | abrotman: I just can't believe it |
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| 01:36.34 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:36.42 | Muffie | abrotman: what the heck is going on... It's still returning some errors |
| 01:36.44 | Muffie | :( |
| 01:37.01 | abrotman | does your ISP have a proxy? |
| 01:37.22 | Muffie | I'm pretty sure it's nothing on the ISP. |
| 01:37.39 | abrotman | paste it again ? |
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| 01:37.52 | Muffie | http://pastebin.com/8SMkB52P |
| 01:37.54 | Muffie | but |
| 01:37.57 | Muffie | let me paste a new one |
| 01:39.35 | Muffie | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/XfcY9PHb |
| 01:40.15 | abrotman | Muffie: paste your sources.list again |
| 01:40.50 | [switch] | nevermind: genisoimage -o my_image.iso my_directory |
| 01:41.46 | tonytraductor | logs....lemme check... |
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| 01:42.05 | Muffie | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/uuaigDzN |
| 01:42.12 | Muffie | maybe the two contribs |
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| 01:42.48 | tonytraductor | this might sound ignorant, but, which logs should I be looking at? I don't see anything in /var/log that seems directly related to ssh |
| 01:42.48 | abrotman | Muffie: "deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/" .. not ftp:// |
| 01:42.49 | lynks | how do i get a list of process along with the users that the process is running as? cant find anything in man ps |
| 01:42.59 | tonytraductor | just look in messages or dmesg or something? |
| 01:43.25 | abrotman | Muffie: and FWIW .. you can just 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list" instead of using nano :) |
| 01:43.38 | abrotman | lynks: ps aux ? |
| 01:43.57 | lynks | thats the one, thanks |
| 01:44.11 | [switch] | lynks: or ps -efH |
| 01:44.23 | abrotman | a million different ways |
| 01:44.30 | [switch] | each to their own :) |
| 01:44.50 | Muffie | abrotman: it's still showing: "http:// ... / main/contrib i386 Packages 404 Not Found |
| 01:45.26 | Muffie | just removed the BR |
| 01:45.30 | abrotman | Muffie: it's almost like there's some weird character .. did you hand type that or copy/paste ? |
| 01:45.33 | abrotman | don't remove the BR |
| 01:45.41 | Muffie | hand typed |
| 01:45.48 | Muffie | why not? |
| 01:45.58 | Muffie | error is different without the BR |
| 01:46.00 | abrotman | because you don't want to use ftp.debian.org .. no one should |
| 01:46.05 | Muffie | BR sucks anyway. ah, ok |
| 01:46.22 | abrotman | you should really use one near you |
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| 01:47.05 | tonytraductor | weird...a bunch of people I don't know tried to get in to my ftpd |
| 01:47.13 | tonytraductor | no anonymous allowed, though...nobody got in |
| 01:47.16 | abrotman | weird? it's ftp |
| 01:47.26 | lynks | you can expect that almost every day |
| 01:47.37 | abrotman | all day .. every day |
| 01:47.41 | lynks | along eith http fuzzing, ssh dictionary attakcs, welcome to the world |
| 01:48.02 | DogBoy | heh |
| 01:48.03 | Muffie | abrotman: I will remove it, but take a look at the errors: http://pastebin.com/qu4m68Fa |
| 01:48.03 | abrotman | s/world/internet/ |
| 01:48.17 | DogBoy | I go back to iceweasel and it's just a blank page |
| 01:48.37 | abrotman | Muffie: your sources.list line is malformed somehow |
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| 01:48.41 | tonytraductor | rsyslogd was HUPed |
| 01:48.44 | tonytraductor | ? |
| 01:48.49 | DogBoy | I have to close it and restart it and then as soon as I minimize it it's blank when I go back again |
| 01:49.02 | abrotman | Muffie: remove the line that you added .. and type this at the console as root .. *exactly* what i type |
| 01:49.11 | tonytraductor | duude...somebody actually tried to login to ftp as "administrator" |
| 01:49.12 | Muffie | abrotman: how? I just added some words with nano |
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| 01:49.18 | tonytraductor | does anybody actually use that username? |
| 01:49.20 | Zao | tonytraductor: Welcome to brute-force attacks. |
| 01:49.25 | Zao | tonytraductor: "Windows machines". |
| 01:49.33 | tonytraductor | well, they failed |
| 01:49.37 | tonytraductor | the server is fine, nobody got in |
| 01:49.39 | Zao | tonytraductor: Trying is free. |
| 01:49.41 | abrotman | Muffie: uhm .. i think it's 'ctrl-k' |
| 01:49.51 | abrotman | hasn't used nano in forever |
| 01:50.06 | tonytraductor | sure...silly script kiddies...Debian is secure...duh |
| 01:50.06 | Muffie | abrotman: Just retyped that line before the security ones |
| 01:50.08 | lynks | is pico any different to nano? |
| 01:50.20 | abrotman | Muffie: retyped ? |
| 01:50.26 | Muffie | yep |
| 01:50.27 | tonytraductor | well, it's spelled differently |
| 01:50.36 | tonytraductor | I like nano |
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| 01:50.50 | abrotman | Muffie: let's try this another way .. did you get that line removed yet? |
| 01:50.50 | lynks | 'secure' is subjective |
| 01:51.02 | tonytraductor | nothing at all about ssh or sshfs in that log...just the failed attempts to crack my ftp server |
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| 01:51.19 | Muffie | I can comment that. what do you think? |
| 01:51.19 | lynks | auth.log/ |
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| 01:51.26 | abrotman | Muffie: comment is fine |
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| 01:51.45 | Muffie | its not missing the squeeze token? |
| 01:52.00 | abrotman | Muffie: i just re-read .. the line shoujld be ... |
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| 01:52.25 | abrotman | Muffie: "deb http://debs.ifsul.edu.br/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free" |
| 01:52.36 | abrotman | must have mis-typed it earlier |
| 01:52.52 | Muffie | well, now it works fine!!! |
| 01:52.54 | Muffie | THANKS! |
| 01:52.59 | abrotman | but please please .. do NOT use ftp.debian.org |
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| 01:53.03 | Muffie | I'm not |
| 01:53.07 | Muffie | im back to Brazil |
| 01:53.09 | abrotman | okay .. thank you! |
| 01:53.14 | Muffie | the carnival ftp server |
| 01:53.22 | abrotman | Muffie: now .. aptitude update; aptitude install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 01:53.24 | icicled | is it possible to do the following setup?: computers--(eth0)--switch--(eth0)--debian_computer--(wlan0)--wireless_router |
| 01:53.30 | icicled | what should i be searching for? |
| 01:53.37 | Muffie | ok, I'm sudoing |
| 01:53.38 | tonytraductor | Viva Brasil! |
| 01:53.51 | abrotman | icicled: what does the computer do ? route? bridge? |
| 01:54.14 | Muffie | abrotman: ok, installing! :) |
| 01:54.20 | icicled | either? i'm ok with anything |
| 01:54.25 | Muffie | let me get the dongle |
| 01:54.30 | abrotman | icicled: they perform different functions |
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| 01:55.31 | icicled | in a nutshell i just need the computers on the left to be able to use the computer in the middle as a medium through which all traffic is relayed to the router on the right |
| 01:55.46 | tonytraductor | oh...duh...seems I do not have fusermount on the amd64...somebody just smack me... |
| 01:55.54 | tonytraductor | old age/senility is my excuse |
| 01:55.54 | Muffie | abrotman: ok. its installed. what should I do now? |
| 01:55.56 | abrotman | icicled: sure it's possible .. |
| 01:56.15 | abrotman | Muffie: well, depends .. you can install the rest of your software or you can reboot and see if you have your wifi |
| 01:56.22 | abrotman | would probably install the rest of the software |
| 01:56.38 | icicled | abrotman: excellent, do you know what kind of documentation i should be looking up? |
| 01:56.52 | Muffie | abrotman: don't I need to install anything else for the usb wifi? |
| 01:56.53 | tonytraductor | oh wait..yes I do |
| 01:56.54 | abrotman | icicled: as i said .. depends if you want to bridge or route .. |
| 01:57.04 | abrotman | Muffie: possibly WPA tools |
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| 01:57.19 | tonytraductor | weird...I still don't get it...both machines have fusemount, ssh, sshd...I can sshfs this no the other, can't sshfs the other one on here. |
| 01:57.25 | abrotman | icicled: netfilter.org is a good place to start if you want it to act as a router |
| 01:57.27 | icicled | route i think b/c i don't want all the traffic to go over wireless |
| 01:57.53 | icicled | the computers on the left should be able to take the quickest route to each other skipping wireless unless necessary |
| 01:57.57 | icicled | thanks! |
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| 01:58.24 | tonytraductor | when I'm on the other (the celeron running a ftp and apache) I can sshfs this box onto that one |
| 01:58.39 | tonytraductor | from this box, trying to sshfs my /home on the other, I get: fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied |
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| 01:58.54 | tonytraductor | my user is the same on both boxes, and in the fuse group on both |
| 01:59.07 | tonytraductor | and, like I said, I can ssh in both directions |
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| 02:00.02 | Muffie | abrotman: still nothing. dont I need to do some iwconfig stuff? |
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| 02:00.13 | abrotman | Muffie: wireless-tools would help also |
| 02:00.16 | abrotman | Muffie: which GUI do you wnat? |
| 02:00.25 | Muffie | lsusb shows it |
| 02:00.28 | ChrisPartridge | Hi all, moving from CentOS to debian for our server OS - just noticed squeeze supports both linux and freebsd kernels.. would there be any reason to use the freebsd over linux kernel? does it offer anything dramatic over the linux kernel? (Apologies if my question is a bit broad) |
| 02:00.33 | abrotman | it always will show it |
| 02:00.40 | Muffie | abrotman: GUI? you mean window manager? |
| 02:00.57 | abrotman | ChrisPartridge: probably the biggest thing would be the pf that the bsd kernels have ... |
| 02:00.59 | abrotman | Muffie: yes |
| 02:01.15 | abrotman | Chris[A]: your highlighting pattern sucks |
| 02:01.33 | Muffie | abrotman: debian is installed by default, but I will change it for kde4 and xfce eventually |
| 02:01.55 | abrotman | Muffie: debian? or gnome you mean? |
| 02:02.07 | Muffie | oh, gnome |
| 02:02.08 | Muffie | sorry |
| 02:02.33 | abrotman | Muffie: if you're sitting at the console, sounds like gnome isn't installed yet .. you could `aptitude install kde-full kdm xorg' and have your GUI now . .and it would install most of the wireless stuff you'd need |
| 02:02.34 | Muffie | btw, wireless tools is already installled |
| 02:02.50 | abrotman | (assuming you don't need any wacky X drivers) |
| 02:03.00 | abrotman | wireless-tools has iwconfig last i checked |
| 02:03.02 | Muffie | abrotman: gnome is installed |
| 02:03.13 | abrotman | weird .. okay |
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| 02:03.52 | Muffie | weird. iwconfig is not there |
| 02:04.15 | abrotman | judd: file bin/iwconfig --release squeeze |
| 02:04.18 | judd | bin/iwconfig in squeeze/i386: wireless-tools: sbin/iwconfig |
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| 02:07.38 | MuffieDebian | abrotman: well, irssi works |
| 02:07.54 | MuffieDebian | and lsusb shows the usb stick |
| 02:08.08 | abrotman | it probably did before |
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| 02:08.44 | MuffieDebian | Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0bda:8171 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188SU 802.11n WLAN Adapter |
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| 02:08.57 | MuffieDebian | and why iwconfig is not there? |
| 02:09.02 | abrotman | are you root ? |
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| 02:09.44 | MuffieDebian | sudo iwconfig works! :) |
| 02:09.58 | abrotman | MuffieDebian: honestly .. i'd probably install KDE and configure it from there |
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| 02:10.20 | MuffieDebian | well, ok, I can do that, but I'm on gnome right now |
| 02:10.25 | MuffieDebian | using terminal on a window |
| 02:10.48 | MuffieDebian | how can I download KDE4, latest version? |
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| 02:11.08 | abrotman | MuffieDebian: the latest in squeeze? |
| 02:11.14 | abrotman | aptitude install kde-full |
| 02:11.14 | MuffieDebian | yep |
| 02:11.27 | MuffieDebian | which version is that? Latest stable one? |
| 02:11.55 | abrotman | no idea, i don't use kde .. i think it's 4.3.x .. but really not sure |
| 02:12.02 | abrotman | judd: versions kdelibs |
| 02:12.04 | judd | Package kdelibs on i386 -- lenny: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-0lenny4; lenny-security: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-0lenny4; sid: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-5; squeeze: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-5; wheezy: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-5 |
| 02:12.14 | MuffieDebian | what do you use? |
| 02:12.18 | abrotman | okay .. that's not the right package :) |
| 02:12.29 | abrotman | gnome normally |
| 02:12.37 | MuffieDebian | what? It's already downloading |
| 02:12.41 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 02:12.41 | dpkg | install kde4 |
| 02:12.55 | abrotman | oh okay |
| 02:13.18 | MuffieDebian | so, its kde-full or kde4? |
| 02:13.18 | abrotman | dpkg: wtf .. that's not useful |
| 02:13.19 | dpkg | usage: wtf <foo>. |
| 02:13.32 | abrotman | !install kde4 |
| 02:13.32 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, the 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install". See also <KDE>. |
| 02:13.35 | MuffieDebian | but, as I said, Im using knome |
| 02:13.56 | MuffieDebian | gnome |
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| 02:14.05 | MuffieDebian | cant I configure the wireless from gnome |
| 02:14.50 | abrotman | probably .. it has network manager . i just figured it owuld be easier to get the environment you're more comfortable with instead of messing with wireless |
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| 02:15.48 | MuffieDebian | is there a wireless network manager on gnome? |
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| 02:16.27 | abrotman | yes .. network-manager-gnome i think it is called |
| 02:17.20 | abrotman | or you could use wicd .. another manager many like |
| 02:18.13 | MuffieDebian | abrotman: take a look at this: http://pastebin.com/RgM183de |
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| 02:19.01 | abrotman | okay? |
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| 02:20.22 | MuffieDebian | sudo ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 02:20.22 | MuffieDebian | SIOCSIFFLAGS: Resource temporarily unavailable |
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| 02:51.21 | MuffieDebian | :q |
| 02:51.24 | WormFood | when I use mkfs to make a file system, and I feed it a list of bad blocks...is the badblock list relative to the partition, or the physical drive? |
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| 02:55.10 | Circuitsoft | Does anyone know how, or if you can, use glx inside Xnest or Xephyr? |
| 02:55.14 | WormFood | I'm trying to format the drive as vfat, but I can't get it to work with the badblock list.....mkfs.vfat just segfaults....I was able to get it to work before on another drive.....I will then convert the drive to ntfs, so that ntfs will have the bad blocks mapped out (no, it appears the ntfs file system creator does not accept a list of bad blocks) |
| 02:55.28 | SushiDude | Does anyone know of a cli video player other then mplayer |
| 02:55.31 | SushiDude | brb |
| 02:55.34 | WormFood | Circuitsoft, unlikely |
| 02:55.49 | WormFood | SushiDude, anything can be run from the commandline |
| 02:56.06 | karlpinc | SushiDude: ffplay |
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| 02:56.16 | karlpinc | !tell SushiDude about debtags |
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| 02:56.38 | Circuitsoft | WormFood: How recent is the drive? Every drive I've used in the last 10 years or so, you write to the bad blocks, and the drive remaps them for you. |
| 02:57.09 | Circuitsoft | The one drive I used that ran out of spare blocks made itself read-only. |
| 02:57.34 | lynks | unless ofcourse he means a terminal video player that ascii-arts an avi on the fly...now i have another project :P |
| 02:57.52 | Circuitsoft | lynks: Mplayer will do that, and I think vlc will too. |
| 02:58.08 | lynks | ha this is news to me |
| 02:58.12 | Circuitsoft | mplayer -vo aa myfile.avi |
| 02:58.32 | lynks | and i thought i was being original and humerous |
| 02:58.45 | Circuitsoft | aalib has been around forever. |
| 02:58.51 | Circuitsoft | Google ttyquake |
| 02:59.02 | lynks | lol i like the sound of that |
| 02:59.25 | WormFood | Circuitsoft, it isn't that old |
| 02:59.33 | Circuitsoft | mplayer -vo caca myfile.avi looks a little better, but it doesn't manage aspect ratios. |
| 02:59.35 | WormFood | Circuitsoft, how many hard drives do you work with? |
| 02:59.44 | WormFood | also, some sectors are just flaky, not outright bad |
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| 03:01.03 | lynks | im blown away by how cool this is |
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| 03:01.41 | Circuitsoft | lynks: Google bb aalib demo |
| 03:01.48 | Circuitsoft | bb may actually be in apt. |
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| 03:03.01 | Circuitsoft | Yes, it is. |
| 03:04.02 | lynks | it isnt very often i find something this great, thanks for pointing it out to me |
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| 03:05.13 | SushiDude | back |
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| 03:07.31 | ham5 | why am i gettin Hash Sum mismatchs off and on when reloading repos? |
| 03:07.55 | WormFood | ham5, any chance they are out of date? |
| 03:08.36 | ham5 | im... apt-get updating... |
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| 03:09.05 | ham5 | sometimes clearing out /var/lib/apt works |
| 03:10.41 | ham5 | apt-get keeping those old list files aorund mabey, that what your saying? |
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| 03:11.42 | SushiDude | lynks, I meant a terminal video player that ascii-arts .ovg.... |
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| 03:12.37 | WormFood | ham5, you know, apt-get has been depreciated, and aptitude is now the preferred tool to use? |
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| 03:14.38 | ham5 | oh really, no I didnt know that. |
| 03:15.04 | lynks | i had some dependency issues upgrading lenny>squeeze and aptitude ended up removing itself...havent bothered putting it back yet |
| 03:15.52 | ham5 | aptitude worked too, hum :\ thanks worm |
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| 03:17.02 | abrotman | i wouldn't say it's been deprecated |
| 03:17.10 | ham5 | seems silly that it is |
| 03:17.27 | dvs | just not the recommended app |
| 03:17.49 | abrotman | and it is recommended for some tings |
| 03:17.51 | abrotman | things |
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| 03:18.24 | lynks | i read that you should use one or the other, that they confuse eachother |
| 03:18.46 | dvs | not true anymore |
| 03:19.12 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is it no longer possible to "aptitude purge ~prequired+ ~pstandard+ ~pimportant+" (assuming I typed it correctly) to remove everything so I can change my desktop environment and start fresh? |
| 03:19.29 | lynks | the whole package/dependency thing still confuses me sometimes |
| 03:19.56 | dvs | LinuxGuy2009: Why would you need those to change the desktop? |
| 03:20.00 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: you probably need some union operator |
| 03:20.12 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: but that's a bit overkill anyway |
| 03:20.30 | LinuxGuy2009 | This used to work flawlessly in lenny. |
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| 03:21.56 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: union operator? You mean like deviding that command up into chunks and using & or something between them? |
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| 03:24.20 | tonytraductor | ok, I got distracted with other stuff...but I still haven't figured out why I can ssh ni both directions between the machines, but only sshfs in one direction |
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| 03:26.15 | dondelelcaro | LinuxGuy2009: uh... what do you expect that to do? |
| 03:26.54 | lynks | ls -lh |
| 03:26.59 | lynks | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:27.31 | LinuxGuy2009 | dondelelcaro: "aptitude purge ~prequired+ ~pstandard+ ~pimportant+" removes everything down to a base install.\ |
| 03:27.36 | dondelelcaro | LinuxGuy2009: no it doesn't. |
| 03:28.00 | dondelelcaro | LinuxGuy2009: that asks aptitude to install everything with priority required, standard and important, and not do anything else. |
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| 03:29.08 | dondelelcaro | LinuxGuy2009: presumably what you actually mean is something like aptitude purge '~i?not(?or(?priority(required),?priority(standard),?priority(important)))' |
| 03:29.16 | LinuxGuy2009 | dondelelcaro: No from what i remember it purges everything hense the "purge" and readds all standard important and required priority packages. Unless I got the syntax wrong. Been a while. |
| 03:29.50 | LinuxGuy2009 | Worked perfectly in lenny. |
| 03:29.51 | dondelelcaro | LinuxGuy2009: you've got the syntax wrong. You're telling aptitude that the default action should be purge, but you don't give any packages to actually purge, because you override that for all listed packages with + |
| 03:29.57 | dondelelcaro | LinuxGuy2009: no, it didn't. |
| 03:30.19 | dondelelcaro | or at least, it shouldn't have |
| 03:30.20 | LinuxGuy2009 | dondelelcaro: Ok cool thats what I needed cleared up for me. |
| 03:30.23 | smacnay | Is there a debian way to remove old module directories from /lib? |
| 03:30.24 | OverlordQ | anybody good with getting java working? I for the life of me cannot get classpath figured out |
| 03:30.37 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: rmeove the old kernels; that'll remove them |
| 03:30.39 | karlpinc | smacnay: aptitude purge whateverkernelpackage |
| 03:30.40 | LinuxGuy2009 | dondelelcaro: What would be the proper way to do that in squeeze now? |
| 03:30.54 | dondelelcaro | LinuxGuy2009: I already gave you the command to do it properly for all versions of aptitude |
| 03:31.39 | LinuxGuy2009 | dondelelcaro: Ok cool Ill write it down and give it a whirl. Thanks very much I apreciate it.;) |
| 03:32.32 | dondelelcaro | this is also convered in the aptitude manual if you ever forget... see http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 03:32.38 | smacnay | karlpinc, ah - the purge option |
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| 03:32.55 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: you can actually just remove it; purge doesn't do anything extra in this case |
| 03:33.05 | smacnay | dondelelcaro, I did an aptitude remove kernel...blah.blah but the /lib/modules dir remained |
| 03:33.36 | smacnay | dondelelcaro, so I deleted the module dir by hand and then wondered if there was a proper Debian way to do so |
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| 03:34.26 | karlpinc | dondelelcaro: I've never quite understood it, but the kernels in /boot don't go away until you purge. I never bothered to think about it and now that I do, uh, I'm confused. |
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| 03:36.33 | karlpinc | smacnay: Maybe it's a kluge on the part of the kernel packagers so that upgrading a kernel does not break the running system? |
| 03:37.01 | smacnay | that would make sense if you were running only one kernel and installing a newer one |
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| 03:38.19 | karlpinc | kludge |
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| 03:38.40 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: they should go away; you can always find out what's going on if you dpkg -S lib/modules/foodirectory; to see which packages you have installed are using those files |
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| 03:40.09 | kevin01123 | Is there anyway to get apt-get to honor the /etc/apt/apt.conf file? |
| 03:40.25 | kevin01123 | I've set Default-Release to testing, and apt-get seems happy to install from unstable. |
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| 03:40.39 | smacnay | dondelelcaro, thanks |
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| 03:43.07 | dondelelcaro | karlpinc: it'll happily install from unstable if that's the only way to do what you asked it to do |
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| 03:43.25 | dondelelcaro | karlpinc: it may also install from unstable if you've configured pinning or something else. |
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| 03:43.36 | dondelelcaro | karlpinc: apt-cache policy foopkg; will help you figure out what is actually happening. |
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| 03:51.06 | karlpinc | dondelelcaro: I'm confused. What does which files in kernel packages take purging to get rid of have to do with unstable? |
| 03:52.09 | karlpinc | dondelelcaro: Oh. You must be responding to kevin01123, who seems to be gone. |
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| 03:57.04 | lfs | WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! |
| 03:57.15 | dvs | yikes! |
| 03:57.16 | lfs | How can I get that warning? |
| 03:57.28 | lfs | Never saw that before but I haven't been here in a while. |
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| 03:57.53 | nevyn | lfs: you've added a repo but not added the key for it. |
| 03:58.05 | lfs | ? |
| 03:58.24 | dvs | the gpg key |
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| 03:58.39 | lfs | So what do I do? |
| 03:59.13 | dvs | depend what packages are untrusted |
| 04:02.17 | rudi_s | Either remove the problematic line from sources.list or add the key with apt-key. |
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| 04:05.45 | lfs | libsmbclient openoffice.org-draw libpcsclite1 libavutil49 libcupsimage2 |
| 04:05.45 | lfs | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.54 | lfs | How can these be not trusted. |
| 04:06.04 | lfs | There are many more like this |
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| 04:07.00 | Arrowmaster | find out where they are coming from, probably just a mirror problem |
| 04:07.25 | lfs | WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! |
| 04:07.25 | lfs | UntrustWARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! |
| 04:07.25 | lfs | Untrusted packages could compromise your system's security. |
| 04:07.25 | lfs | ed packages could compromise your system's security. |
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| 04:07.38 | uoods | nice |
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| 04:08.29 | lfs | Can I post the whole thing to paste? |
| 04:08.40 | dvs | sure |
| 04:09.51 | lfs | I ran update |
| 04:11.33 | lfs | I don't think I want to install an untrusted image |
| 04:13.39 | lfs | I have to run apt-get update not aptitude update? |
| 04:14.03 | Hydroxide | they're mostly equivalent |
| 04:14.09 | Hydroxide | they both just update the package lists |
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| 04:16.09 | nvz | so anyone have thoughts on what I might use to show a visual indicator of mouse clicks for recording video tutorials? |
| 04:16.32 | lfs | circles are nice |
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| 04:16.44 | nvz | yes, yes they are |
| 04:17.07 | nvz | all men love circles |
| 04:17.39 | nvz | O |
| 04:18.05 | nvz | I'm just wondering if there is some kinda applet or osd or something anyone knows of before I attempt to hack something together |
| 04:18.31 | DogBoy | I just installed and I'm wondering if I have pulseaudio installed by default |
| 04:18.41 | DogBoy | no idea how to make sure one way or the other |
| 04:19.03 | nvz | DogBoy: dpkg -l pulseaudio |
| 04:19.36 | nvz | DogBoy: or check in the system menu under administration for Software Center or Synaptic Package Manager |
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| 04:21.30 | DogBoy | doesn't seem to be installed |
| 04:22.14 | nvz | DogBoy: well search for it in one of the two package managers I mentioned.. there are related packages you may want |
| 04:22.57 | DogBoy | I want to do without it if possible |
| 04:23.24 | nvz | DogBoy: yeah its possible.. there was sound before pulseaudio.. |
| 04:24.33 | un214 | there was oss |
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| 04:24.45 | nvz | And Michael Jackson |
| 04:24.51 | nvz | haha |
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| 04:33.37 | bzaks1424 | Does anyone know dnsmasq decently? Or knows the proper channel for it? |
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| 04:36.46 | un214 | a bit but not really |
| 04:37.35 | mick_laptop | anyone know what happened to debaday? |
| 04:37.46 | un214 | yes but not me |
| 04:38.22 | mick_laptop | bzaks1424: not sure about "properly" but I've used it :-P |
| 04:38.36 | mick_laptop | bzaks1424: I'd just say- "ask" ;) |
| 04:38.46 | bzaks1424 | :-) I'm trying to split the subnet based on vendorclass |
| 04:39.02 | un214 | I'm not sure it can |
| 04:39.18 | mick_laptop | i'm not sure why you'd want to do that |
| 04:39.20 | un214 | I don't recall wildcards allowed there |
| 04:39.43 | un214 | virtual machines? |
| 04:39.51 | bzaks1424 | there wouldn't really be any wildcards, not that it matters, it just has to match a substring |
| 04:40.32 | bzaks1424 | Basically I'm doing an automated build process, and if the device presents a vendorclass of "a" (example), then I'm going to run the script |
| 04:40.37 | mick_laptop | un214: ok, I see that making sense |
| 04:40.52 | bzaks1424 | dnsmasq allows me to do a script "on-lease" like a trigger in a DB |
| 04:41.15 | un214 | you could just arp every IP and see if it matches |
| 04:41.38 | bzaks1424 | Well, I've only been guaranteed the Vendorclass, nothing about the MAC |
| 04:41.49 | un214 | vendorclass is the start of the mac is it not? |
| 04:41.56 | bzaks1424 | Negative |
| 04:42.08 | bzaks1424 | VendorClass-Identifier is an actual text based identifier |
| 04:42.26 | bzaks1424 | its an option in the DHCP RFC |
| 04:42.27 | un214 | well feel like getting dirty? |
| 04:42.59 | un214 | you can modify dnsmasq to pass vendorclass to the script |
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| 04:43.52 | bzaks1424 | so then I basically just call the script and ignore that the IP is within any specific range? |
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| 04:44.47 | bzaks1424 | That kind of defeats the purpose of what I'd like to do, honestly. |
| 04:45.35 | un214 | I guess I don't see how |
| 04:45.38 | bzaks1424 | I would actually be setting up a totally different vlan based on the vendor-class-identifier. |
| 04:45.49 | un214 | that's mixing levels |
| 04:46.06 | bzaks1424 | Its entirely possible through dhcp-server though |
| 04:46.10 | un214 | DHCP is broadcast they all have to be on the same vlan |
| 04:46.18 | bzaks1424 | sorry |
| 04:46.19 | bzaks1424 | subnet* |
| 04:46.22 | bzaks1424 | not vlan |
| 04:46.26 | bzaks1424 | (its late for me) |
| 04:46.41 | un214 | then I suppose you get to use dhcp-server |
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| 04:47.04 | bzaks1424 | un214: my only problem Is I don't have that "on-lease" trigger with dhcp-server |
| 04:47.17 | un214 | sure you do |
| 04:47.22 | bzaks1424 | ? |
| 04:47.23 | un214 | walk dhcpd.leases |
| 04:47.27 | un214 | every second |
| 04:47.34 | bzaks1424 | Hahahaha that's so hackish |
| 04:47.55 | un214 | or patch in the trigger to dhcp-server |
| 04:48.04 | un214 | they might even accept your patch upstream |
| 04:48.15 | bzaks1424 | oof, I'm by no means a developer. That would probably be bad |
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| 04:48.42 | un214 | thinks this is a good time to sell at $40/hr |
| 04:50.33 | bzaks1424 | :-D I would probably pay that if I was given any sort of budget. Believe me - the timelines they have us on are insane. I need to script the provisioning of 8500 servers to a very specific spec in less than 40 days. |
| 04:50.46 | un214 | you know I'm joking right |
| 04:50.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | 1;2C |
| 04:51.14 | bzaks1424 | I totally know you're joking. I just wish I could actually have someone do that! |
| 04:51.15 | bzaks1424 | lol |
| 04:51.21 | un214 | well you could have this LAN you only plug new machines into |
| 04:51.27 | un214 | that's probably the fastest way |
| 04:51.42 | un214 | once loaded you plug them into normal LAN |
| 04:51.52 | bzaks1424 | The problem with that is actually the most stupid one |
| 04:51.59 | bzaks1424 | we don't trust the 3rd party vendors building them |
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| 04:52.11 | un214 | nasty |
| 04:52.27 | bzaks1424 | Yeah - its too big for our company to handle alone, so we have to split our efforts |
| 04:52.41 | bzaks1424 | but, that means we can't trust these external groups |
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| 04:54.18 | un214 | have you considered pixie boot |
| 04:54.34 | bzaks1424 | That's actually part of the build process |
| 04:54.43 | un214 | well that makes it easy |
| 04:54.48 | bzaks1424 | actually no |
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| 04:55.11 | un214 | have the PXE kernel move it to another subnet |
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| 04:55.38 | bzaks1424 | The chassis has two things to plug in: 1) management module that serves out the vendorclass, 2) the actual switch that connects all the blades to the rest of the network |
| 04:56.13 | bzaks1424 | the blades are what pxeboot |
| 04:56.25 | bzaks1424 | I need to detect the management module |
| 04:56.37 | bzaks1424 | before I can determine if the device is ready to be provisioned |
| 04:57.31 | un214 | unfortunately, it's back to get a coder or become one |
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| 04:57.52 | bzaks1424 | <sigh> I was afraid of that |
| 04:58.56 | acu | hey guys - what is difference between gpl3 and cc _ appart that in cc I can chose whether it can be used for commercial purposes or whether the derivative should or not used as it is licensed by me |
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| 05:01.13 | Hydroxide | acu: well, for one thing, cc isn't a single license; as you say, it's a set of different licenses. not all of them meet debian's freedom standards, either, though some do. gpl3 is a specific license that's more suitable for software than cc licenses is. It's most similar to the CC-BY-SA though there are differences |
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| 05:05.28 | LinuxGuy2009 | aptitude purge '~i?not(?or(?priority(required),?priority(standard),?priority(important)))' Did not work to remove everything and leave a base system. |
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| 05:06.05 | LinuxGuy2009 | It leaves unresolvable dependencies. This is on an offline system with 8 DVD repo set and first dvd is added and in the drive. |
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| 05:09.08 | acu | Hydorxide: I just talked in fsf chanel and said that to me creative commons makes most sense - who wants to use it for proprietary go ahead -so they do not need to create from scratch what I may have done - while those who want to build and share it as they receive it - they are free too - it seem to me most economical way to go forward :) So even most of the greedy corporations will spend their resources for progress not recreating |
| 05:09.08 | acu | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.54 | homie | is acpid a backdoor app ? |
| 05:10.57 | homie | lol |
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| 05:13.52 | Hydroxide | acu: I don't understand your argument. for what it's worth, the gpl predates creative commons (though gpl3 doesn't), and also serves a different purpose. anyway, we shouldn't continue this discussion here, since it's off-topic for #debian. and I really should do other things myself right now, like sleep :) |
| 05:14.23 | Hydroxide | homie: acpid is the name of a legitimate app in debian, though of course if a backdoor app writer was smart they'd reuse the name of a legitimate app :) |
| 05:15.03 | homie | it is buggy, causing somhow to kde and first of iceweasel to crash, maybe it's backdoored too... |
| 05:15.13 | homie | lol |
| 05:15.33 | homie | more like buggy i would say, but then again what is the bug ? |
| 05:15.56 | homie | i turned it off, and voila no crashes of iceweasel nor kde now |
| 05:16.01 | homie | bleh |
| 05:16.10 | acu | Hydroxide: sleep is good :) |
| 05:16.12 | Hydroxide | acu: if you want to allow people to use your work for proprietary purposes, and you're writing software, the BSD, MIT, or X11 license (they're all very similar) is what you probably want to use. either that or public domain if you don't want to retain any sort of ownership more than anyone else |
| 05:16.26 | Hydroxide | acu: anyway, 'night :) |
| 05:17.15 | acu | thanks - good night - I will look at BSD - I really like the public domain -but nobody knows about it enough to explain it to me :) |
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| 05:18.36 | uoods | acu: there's the WTFPL too |
| 05:24.18 | acu | I think a world wide conference in which a unified system should be put in place |
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| 06:18.36 | MobiusStrip | I dunno when or how these happens, but my system keeps loosing 15-20 minutes. I think it started since I started using the hibernate feature. |
| 06:20.00 | MobiusStrip | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:04.11 | valdyn | acu: for all i know pulbic domain does not work in all countries |
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| 07:04.52 | valdyn | acu: meaning that someone could impose restrictions for you on your own code |
| 07:08.24 | rjsalts | everyone should use the WTFPL |
| 07:09.18 | Dewi | yep. |
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| 07:23.41 | Vasistha | I have this problem where I forget to pay my rent. I want my computer to remind me to pay my rent. I'm thinking maybe a cron job is the way to go... |
| 07:23.57 | `Assassin | Can anyone with the ftp.us.debian.org mirror in your sources.list aptitude update? I can't seem to resolve ftp.us.debian.org. |
| 07:24.30 | Vasistha | `Assassin: well, I can ping it at 64.50.236.52 |
| 07:24.56 | homie | oh man |
| 07:25.02 | homie | crashed all again |
| 07:25.13 | Vasistha | `Assassin: I can also access it from my web browser |
| 07:25.26 | `Assassin | It's nice that I suddenly can't install elinks and see if its manual will tell me how to browse without javascript. |
| 07:25.33 | `Assassin | :| |
| 07:26.23 | `Assassin | Is ftp.se.debian.org a valid mirror? |
| 07:26.52 | Zao | `Assassin: Yes. |
| 07:26.56 | homie | seems i have no swap, and when running a compiler in konsole, and opening several iceweasel tabs and windows, my system eats more and more ram until it crashes |
| 07:27.06 | homie | eheh |
| 07:27.25 | Zao | Yay for the Linux OOM killer. |
| 07:27.48 | homie | and acpid just made that process somehow faster so that it crashed more often |
| 07:28.00 | homie | with less time in between the crashes |
| 07:28.11 | homie | hmmmm |
| 07:28.11 | `Assassin | Oh great my DNS is borked. |
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| 07:28.59 | Vasistha | homie: you know, modern web browsers have been eating more and more ram... especially with lots of tabs loaded. I'm now using a memory monitoring tool so I always notice when memory is getting eaten up |
| 07:29.29 | homie | i just did that too, and saw the memory getting eaten up |
| 07:29.32 | homie | eheh |
| 07:29.34 | Vasistha | haha |
| 07:29.45 | rozie | homie: have you tried to disable cache in memory? |
| 07:29.59 | homie | no how ? |
| 07:30.30 | rozie | it's enabled by default |
| 07:30.31 | homie | the thing is i got some swapmanager now, but somehow the processmanager does not show any swap being assigned.. |
| 07:30.42 | homie | it's a dynamic one |
| 07:30.46 | rozie | about:options and look for cache ;-) |
| 07:30.50 | ElDiabolo | But memory is quite cheap ... |
| 07:31.14 | homie | does disabling it help ? |
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| 07:31.29 | homie | yah but i already have 4G |
| 07:31.32 | homie | how much more ? |
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| 07:32.13 | ElDiabolo | homie, Ooops, Got a 2G laptop and I rarely use all mem ... |
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| 07:33.42 | rozie | homie: give it a try. I always disable it just after installation, so it's hard to compare... |
| 07:33.47 | ElDiabolo | it is however rarely runnning for more than 3h. |
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| 07:34.07 | Vasistha | homie: what you want to watch out for is the application memory. That's the stuff that crashes you. I have the memory color coded, and the app is red, so when I see the red getting big I know I've gotta watch out... the buffer and cached memory is managed nicely by the kernel, it will just disappear |
| 07:34.09 | homie | you mean the browser not ? |
| 07:35.02 | rozie | I started to disable memory cache for browser somewhere about 2.x |
| 07:35.07 | ElDiabolo | bye |
| 07:35.26 | homie | ok did that now, cache disabled |
| 07:35.27 | rozie | disc cache is pretty fast, and there is cache for discs too.. |
| 07:35.44 | rozie | homie: probably you need to restart a browser too |
| 07:35.56 | homie | ah ok |
| 07:36.26 | homie | ok memory eaten now is constant at 1.4G |
| 07:36.47 | homie | i'm watching out if something makes it more |
| 07:36.57 | homie | more than that i mean |
| 07:36.57 | rozie | homie: how do you check amount of eaten memory? |
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| 07:37.12 | homie | well systemmonitor is showing it |
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| 07:38.49 | homie | the thing is it does not show swap |
| 07:38.53 | `Assassin | What's the best console web browser? |
| 07:39.04 | homie | tells no swap, though there's a swapmanager running |
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| 07:39.31 | homie | hmmm, maybe i would have to restart kde again to see it get recognized or so |
| 07:40.05 | homie | or maybe the swapmanager does not assign until some threshold is reached |
| 07:40.09 | homie | ok |
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| 07:42.41 | jelly-home | `Assassin: links2 and elinks are nice |
| 07:43.37 | `Assassin | jelly-home, how does lynx compare? |
| 07:45.15 | homie | the thing was, i was running virtualbox, iceweasel with many tabs, emacs and a compile in the console, so should have been alright, but i didn't expect the memory eaten to rise after the programs are already running...and i did not open new tabs or some such, just the compilation in the console maybe caused something don't know... |
| 07:46.18 | homie | ah now at 2.1G memory eaten, ok i see the compilation does cause that |
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| 07:52.11 | Bogus8_ | how do I use mdadm to just wipe out any raid config data that is currently on the drives (two of four got screwed up when I switched to debian... no matter there was no data on them) |
| 07:52.41 | jho | Hey there. I updated my server to squeeze and everything works fine, except that I can't add users or change anyone's password. passwd asks for the current Kerberos password, and then tells me "passwd: Authentication information cannot be recovered" |
| 07:52.45 | Bogus8_ | I just want to recreate the array (I got 16 hours to spare) ;) |
| 07:53.27 | jho | Interestingly I've never consciously installed Kerberos authentication and I probably don't need it. |
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| 08:12.50 | Zaca12 | Hi there, does anyone know of a python api i could use to interface with lftp? |
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| 08:13.05 | Zaca12 | I need to use python to connect to a ftp via a vnp.. any ideas? :) |
| 08:13.14 | s3phir0th115 | Anyone know a good filesystem that has compression as an option for use with Debian? |
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| 08:32.03 | Zaca12 | anyone know how I could interface with lftp using python? |
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| 09:12.44 | sts | hello folks. do you know how i can restore a configuration file from the debian package? |
| 09:13.27 | streuner | dpkg, confmiss |
| 09:13.27 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>. |
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| 09:14.14 | Zaca12 | anyone know how I could interface with lftp using python |
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| 09:14.51 | gypsymauro | hi, I've installed squeeze using 3 partitions created by installer, now if I run fdisk -l I get this error: Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary. |
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| 09:15.15 | petemc | Zaca12: system calls would be one way |
| 09:15.20 | gypsymauro | this is fdisk -l http://pastebin.com/0cJxNRrA |
| 09:15.20 | jaba | gypsymauro: How about other tools such as cfdisk? |
| 09:15.43 | vtts | gypsymauro, use fdisk -cl |
| 09:15.44 | gypsymauro | jaba: FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 1: Partition ends in the final partial cylinder |
| 09:15.57 | vtts | ups |
| 09:16.05 | vtts | ah ok... |
| 09:16.18 | Zaca12 | petemc: but doesn't lftp need the call to remain open all the time? or how exactly could that work? |
| 09:16.34 | gypsymauro | http://pastebin.com/2rsRMU4h |
| 09:16.39 | vtts | gypsymauro, fdisk uses dos compatible mode by default, which is the one complaining |
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| 09:16.47 | Zaca12 | petemc: basically i need to connect to a ftp via a vpn, any ideas how this could be done with python? |
| 09:16.55 | petemc | Zaca12: does it? i was making a hand wavey suggestion |
| 09:17.03 | gypsymauro | what do u mean vtts? |
| 09:17.14 | petemc | Zaca12: google for python ftp example |
| 09:17.15 | vtts | gypsymauro, does it complain with fdisk -cl ? |
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| 09:17.49 | gypsymauro | vtts: I saw that the first partition ends at 32 and the second starts at 32 |
| 09:17.54 | gypsymauro | there is something perverse |
| 09:17.58 | Zaca12 | yeah petemc: i have done that and tried but the tricky part is doing the connection via the vpn |
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| 09:18.32 | vtts | gypsymauro, fdisk -cul |
| 09:18.33 | petemc | if the vpn is setup correctly it should be transparent to anything using it, thats the whole point of a vpn |
| 09:18.55 | sep | gypsymauro, -lu would probably show the warning still, but show you that they do not overlap |
| 09:19.23 | gypsymauro | http://pastebin.com/5dLkf0S8 in fact |
| 09:19.37 | gypsymauro | it's a terroristic message :D |
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| 09:20.28 | gypsymauro | I was used to use cfdisk :( how can I show partition size in gb with fdisk? |
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| 09:22.31 | vtts | gypsymauro, try sticking to sectors instead of cylinders when creating partitions |
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| 09:25.54 | ronsel | i've a problem while upgrading to squeeze |
| 09:26.04 | ronsel | dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von mysql-server-5.0 (--configure): |
| 09:26.04 | dpkg | wish i knew, ronsel |
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| 09:27.00 | ronsel | it is not possible to remove or to update the package.. |
| 09:27.05 | niooins | is dpkg multilingual? |
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| 09:27.50 | homie | ronsel: purging the postinst and postrm stuff of that package in /var/lib/dpkg/info may help.... |
| 09:28.06 | homie | ronsel: but it's usually a drastic measure... |
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| 09:29.17 | gypsymauro | vtts: well I used partman of debian installer and I used sizes |
| 09:29.45 | vtts | for both partitions? |
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| 09:31.17 | ronsel | homie how? |
| 09:33.06 | ronsel | manually or is there a script? |
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| 09:36.02 | ronsel | http://pastebin.de/15738 |
| 09:36.15 | ronsel | which one of the files should be removed? all? |
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| 09:47.30 | Joelio | Is there a way to reconfigure locales without using the curses based screen? Want to script it.,. |
| 09:48.21 | Zao | As in generate them? |
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| 09:48.50 | Zao | If so, man locale.gen && man locale-gen |
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| 09:56.00 | WormFood | when I run an suid program from the commandline, it works as expected, but when called from a program, it does not suid properly.....did I miss something with how suid works? This totally blows my understanding of how suid works, if it is supposed to act this way....if not supposed to act this way, then why isn't it changing the uid/gid properly (and yes, the permissions are set for suid/guid properly) |
| 09:57.02 | WormFood | I guess that wouldn't be "guid" would it? it'd be more like "sgid" |
| 09:57.38 | Joelio | Zao: Cheers |
| 09:58.14 | MobiusStrip | I dunno when or how these happens, but my system keeps loosing 15-20 minutes. I think it started since I started using the hibernate feature. |
| 09:58.39 | WormFood | how do you mean MobiusStrip? |
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| 09:58.53 | WormFood | you mean it is like 15-20 minutes slow? |
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| 09:59.35 | MobiusStrip | I live in IST (1530 hrs) and last night I found 17 minutes drift and thus reset it. Now its 1450 on computer - 40 minutes slow. |
| 10:00.26 | WormFood | does the time lag match the length of time you hibernate for? Also, are you running any other OSes while Linux is hibernated? (i've had some problems if I hibernate Linux, then run windows, and go back to Linux, if windows fucks with my clock) |
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| 10:01.05 | WormFood | also, it is pointless to say "IST"...just say your time in relationship to UTC...for example, my timezone is UTC+8 |
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| 10:02.30 | MobiusStrip | WormFood: No, I don't run any other OS and it doesn't lag the exact amount my system is hibernated. |
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| 10:02.43 | MobiusStrip | It drifts and gets larger and larger over time. I'm UTC+5.5 |
| 10:02.43 | Infostar | hi from spain |
| 10:02.56 | WormFood | it is possible, that your system clock is wrong, and Linux is adjusting it by ntp? |
| 10:03.30 | MobiusStrip | WormFood: The news channel, my mobile phone and two clocks around can't be wrong? O_o |
| 10:03.57 | WormFood | MobiusStrip, reread what I said |
| 10:04.09 | WormFood | IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOUR HARDWARE (system) CLOCK IS WRONG? |
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| 10:04.26 | WormFood | did you check it in the bios, to make sure it is correct? |
| 10:04.29 | Infostar | i need automount folder when user access to pure-ftpd. i need use mount --bind. any idea???? |
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| 10:05.05 | WormFood | Infostar, what? you want to mount a filesystem when a user connects to your ftp server? |
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| 10:05.24 | Infostar | yes |
| 10:05.41 | WormFood | why? that sounds silly. |
| 10:06.02 | WormFood | why can't you just mount it? why does it need to be unmounted when there is no user? |
| 10:06.06 | MobiusStrip | WormFood: Then I should expect right time from NTP right? |
| 10:06.11 | vtts | what happens when user opens 2 ftp sessions? mount and remount? :) |
| 10:06.24 | WormFood | yes, of course, but ntp will not change your clock, if it is too far wrong |
| 10:06.30 | themill | ronsel: ignore homie. Can you describe more what you were doing and what you were up to? Can you show the entire error? The output of "LANG=C apt-get -f install" might be handy. |
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| 10:07.21 | WormFood | I think their logic is, if your clock is very wrong (like hours off), that is the sign of a larger problem....so I use ntpdate to set the clock, and ntpd to keep it right |
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| 10:07.33 | Infostar | i have the user on postgres i have defined home directory but i need other directory for all user |
| 10:07.45 | Infostar | pure-ftpd say: mount --bind /var/incoming /home/john/incoming |
| 10:08.08 | Infostar | i need mount --bind /var/incoming /home/%user/incoming |
| 10:08.33 | Zao | Infostar: Any reason why you can't always have it mounted for all your users? |
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| 10:09.00 | Infostar | yes is necesary |
| 10:09.08 | WormFood | Infostar, why don't you tell us what you are trying to do? |
| 10:09.14 | WormFood | what is your goal? |
| 10:10.12 | Zao | I'd use the automounter, but I'm very curious as to why it's not feasible to mount everything already. |
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| 10:10.16 | WormFood | when I used to work on electronics, it was common to get customers to tell me what they want me to do to their equipment, instead of telling me what they want it to do....they always ended up spending more money, because they pay to do what they asked for...then they pay me to do what they wanted. |
| 10:10.17 | Infostar | directorio /ftp/comun |
| 10:10.19 | Infostar | directorio /ftp/userx/in |
| 10:10.20 | Infostar | directorio /ftp/userx/out |
| 10:10.22 | Infostar | directorio /ftp/userx/comun |
| 10:10.24 | MobiusStrip | WormFood: I installed ntpdate and it sets time well enough accurately. But I don't get the ntpd. Is it a separate package? |
| 10:10.32 | WormFood | yes MobiusStrip |
| 10:10.36 | Zao | Increased administration load? Too brittle? Insufficient cats? |
| 10:10.43 | Infostar | excuse my inglish is very bad |
| 10:10.45 | WormFood | MobiusStrip, and if ntpd is running, you cann't run ntpdate |
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| 10:11.19 | MobiusStrip | What |
| 10:11.26 | MobiusStrip | *What is the exact package name? |
| 10:11.27 | WormFood | i bet Infostar will find, that if he does what he is trying to do, it won't do what he wants it to do. |
| 10:11.34 | WormFood | should be ntpd |
| 10:11.43 | MobiusStrip | em: Unable to locate package ntpd |
| 10:11.46 | MobiusStrip | O_o |
| 10:11.56 | WormFood | ntp |
| 10:12.01 | Zao | p.d.o suggests openntpd |
| 10:12.28 | Zao | Ah, nevermind. 'ntp' |
| 10:12.36 | Zao | (or chrony, it tells me) |
| 10:12.48 | Infostar | ok WormFood |
| 10:13.00 | WormFood | Infostar, what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 10:13.09 | WormFood | you want everyone's incoming to go to the same directory? |
| 10:13.12 | Infostar | i use virtual user on postgres and pure-ftpd |
| 10:13.18 | WormFood | but you want everything else to be different? |
| 10:13.26 | MobiusStrip | WormFood: Ah, thanks, bye! |
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| 10:13.32 | MobiusStrip | Thanks for your time, take care! |
| 10:13.44 | WormFood | your welcome MobiusStrip, good luck with it |
| 10:13.56 | MobiusStrip | :) |
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| 10:14.00 | WormFood | MobiusStrip, don't forget to double check your system (hardware) clock in the bios |
| 10:14.19 | Infostar | when any user connect to ftp the directive home directory access jail chroot to directory yes?? |
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| 10:14.38 | WormFood | wonders why anyone still uses ftp |
| 10:14.52 | WormFood | ftp is a shit protocol that predates tcp/ip |
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| 10:15.14 | Infostar | i need use common directory |
| 10:15.24 | Infostar | for all user |
| 10:15.55 | WormFood | so, make everyone's user directory point to the same place |
| 10:16.03 | ronsel | themill ok .. |
| 10:16.39 | ronsel | http://pastebin.de/15739 |
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| 10:17.22 | ronsel | themill the mysql-server is already running |
| 10:17.25 | Infostar | yes ineed folder: userx = folderx and common folder |
| 10:17.47 | Infostar | folderx is home directory |
| 10:18.00 | themill | ronsel: if you're upgrading from lenny to squeeze, you want to "aptitude install mysql-server-5.1 mysql-server-5.0-" (the last - is important -- you need to uninstall mysql-server-5.0) |
| 10:20.41 | Infostar | WormFood you understand me now?? |
| 10:20.55 | WormFood | Infostar, ln |
| 10:21.20 | arvind_khadri | Hi, is there a iceweasel development channel?? |
| 10:21.23 | WormFood | Infostar, why not make a hardlink to that directory in all your user's directories? |
| 10:21.41 | ansgar | WormFood: Most filesystems do not have hardlinks to directories. |
| 10:21.51 | Infostar | not run |
| 10:22.00 | Infostar | jail chroot |
| 10:22.12 | ronsel | themill thats it! thanks a lot |
| 10:22.32 | WormFood | why even bother with chroot? it just gives you a false sense of security, and does not really provide much security |
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| 10:23.12 | WormFood | Infostar, what is wrong with just mounting those directories beforehand? |
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| 10:24.57 | Infostar | chroot cages the user to avoid up to a higher level |
| 10:25.07 | bolt | Infostar: not really |
| 10:25.15 | bolt | Infostar: why do you want this anyway? |
| 10:26.02 | Infostar | how to configuere it??? |
| 10:26.24 | bolt | configure what? |
| 10:26.53 | Infostar | pure-ftp |
| 10:27.17 | Infostar | i need use common directory |
| 10:27.26 | Infostar | for all ftp user |
| 10:27.39 | WormFood | bolt, isn't it funny, that people who don't understand chroot think it is good for security? It helps a little....very little. |
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| 10:27.54 | themill | ronsel: excellent. |
| 10:28.00 | arvind_khadri | I am developing extension for iceweasel, and running into a problem. I can't see my sidebar. |
| 10:28.34 | WormFood | arvind_khadri, I'd suggest you develop on the unmodified firefox....also, I doubt you'll get much help here |
| 10:29.03 | WormFood | arvind_khadri, the problem is, the FF guys aren't gonna support iceweasel....and your questions aren't specific to iceweasel |
| 10:29.07 | bolt | Infostar: why? |
| 10:29.31 | arvind_khadri | WormFood, how do I use it on Debian squeeze, can I just download from repo ?? Yes I understand that :) |
| 10:30.07 | WormFood | no arvind_khadri, I'm not aware of any debian repo with FF....but I'm sure there is one somewhere |
| 10:30.08 | Infostar | according to many textbooks on the Internet say it is safe to use chroot. I do not understand that if insurance is not written in so many places. |
| 10:30.22 | arvind_khadri | WormFood, thanks, let me rig it up :) |
| 10:30.33 | WormFood | Infostar, google how to break out of chroot |
| 10:31.05 | WormFood | Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe. - Frank Zappa |
| 10:31.06 | s3phir0th115 | I've only ever bothered with chroot's for 32 bit compatibility |
| 10:31.14 | s3phir0th115 | Not so much now with debian's multilib setup |
| 10:31.20 | WormFood | chroot is NOT a security tool! |
| 10:31.36 | bolt | Infostar: you can use a chroot if your users will find it insanely difficult to deal with the fact that there are files on the remote host that are not theirs, but don't rely on it for security |
| 10:31.40 | petemc | WormFood: it can be a useful part of a security process |
| 10:31.43 | WormFood | if you want something like chroot, that was designed for security, then check out BSD's jail |
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| 10:32.01 | WormFood | petemc, it can be useful, but of very limited value in a security context |
| 10:32.12 | petemc | its a lot more useful than opinions offered as fact |
| 10:32.44 | WormFood | http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/Abusing_chroot |
| 10:32.59 | WormFood | "If you have the ability to use chroot() you are root. If you are root you can walk happily out of any chroot by a thousand other means," Alan Cox |
| 10:33.41 | WormFood | When it was suggested that chroot is frequently used as a security tool, Adrian Bunk retorted, "incompetent people implementing security solutions are a real problem." Alan added, "chroot is not and never has been a security tool. People have built things based upon the properties of chroot but extended (BSD jails, Linux vserver) but they are quite different." |
| 10:34.19 | Infostar | Perfect for help me with security, but as I can ride my ftp server with a folder and a common user? |
| 10:34.24 | WormFood | this is nothing new....chroot IS NOT a security tool |
| 10:34.52 | WormFood | Infostar, I think you need to investigate your ftp server documentation more...and good luck with your security attempts |
| 10:35.08 | jelly | WormFood: not by itself. |
| 10:35.32 | WormFood | jelly, but so many people think that chroot is a security tool |
| 10:35.32 | Infostar | ok Wormfood thanks very much |
| 10:35.43 | arvind_khadri | WormFood, could you possibly help me on having both iceweasel and firefox ? Is that possible?? |
| 10:36.04 | WormFood | Infostar, see if you can launch another program under some condition in your ftp config |
| 10:36.17 | WormFood | arvind_khadri, yes, it is possible to have both installed at the same time |
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| 10:36.51 | WormFood | arvind_khadri, but I doubt you need my help...just get ff, and follow their directions, if you can't find a repo with FF in it |
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| 10:37.23 | arvind_khadri | WormFood, hmmm |
| 10:37.47 | ronsel | themill the update is done, but the mysql-server has maybe problems.. |
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| 10:38.07 | Infostar | I have no problem in using another program like proftpd but you can get what I need? |
| 10:38.09 | ronsel | dpkg --configure --pending |
| 10:38.09 | dpkg | ronsel: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 10:38.42 | themill | ronsel: please pastebin the entire output |
| 10:39.09 | blackshirt | hello |
| 10:39.23 | ronsel | http://pastebin.de/15740 |
| 10:39.39 | Infostar | WormFood which I could recommend that postgresql has connector? |
| 10:40.05 | WormFood | Infostar, sorry, I don't understand your question |
| 10:41.40 | themill | ronsel: could you pastebin the output of "LANG=C aptitude install mysql-server-5.1" for me? If that fails, have a look in the mysql logs to see if there's any clues why it's failing -- it could be that you need to update your configuration to the new version of mysql. |
| 10:41.46 | WormFood | ronsel, I don't know if you care or not, but that site (pastebin.de) is blocked in China....if you want help from people in other countries (like China), you may want to consider using a different service. |
| 10:42.22 | Infostar | ftp server that can recommend me? |
| 10:42.39 | WormFood | Infostar, I recommend against using ftp |
| 10:42.55 | WormFood | ftp is an ancient protocol |
| 10:42.59 | ronsel | china intranet ;-) |
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| 10:43.21 | WormFood | ronsel, I'm in China...of course, I have a vpn, but I had to route that address over my vpn just to see the page. |
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| 10:44.26 | WormFood | I used to run an rsync warez server....hahaha...that was funny....people always wanted me to setup ftp, but I refused to do it :D |
| 10:44.48 | WormFood | that was a long, long, long time ago (like 10 years ago) |
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| 10:51.15 | blackshirt | hello, anyone here experienced with samba4 |
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| 10:53.11 | WormFood | blackshirt, just ask your question |
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| 10:53.58 | WormFood | you never know who will answer ;) but if you just ask if anyone is experienced with anything, it isn't a real question, and if they answer, it still does not help you. |
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| 10:54.24 | blackshirt | WormFood: okey.. |
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| 10:55.00 | mAniAk-_- | running debian 6 with bonded interfaces with vlans and primary slave eth0, when i shut down switch interface going to eth0 it fails over properly to eth1 with GARP packets, but when i turn on the switch interface for eth0 it fails over but it doesnt send out any GARP resulting in a 15sec or so gap in connectivity, any ideas? config pretty much the same as this except vlans and ip addresses http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Howtocreatefaulttolerant |
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| 10:55.22 | blackshirt | WormFood: when i install samba4 package on debian, always bring me to error..like this : Starting Samba 4 daemon: samba/usr/sbin/samba: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgensec.so.0: undefined symbol: ldb_modify_default_callback |
| 10:55.23 | blackshirt | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:56.13 | WormFood | sounds like you're missing a library or something |
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| 10:57.16 | blackshirt | WormFood: i don't know..i have update my repository..try to purge and then reinstall them, but still error |
| 10:57.46 | WormFood | on squeeze? |
| 10:58.05 | blackshirt | WormFood: yes.. |
| 10:58.14 | blackshirt | i have squeeze installed |
| 10:58.21 | WormFood | I have samba installed, but I don't see a "samba4" on the module list....is it coming from the official repo? |
| 11:00.33 | blackshirt | i think it comes from unstable repository,. |
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| 11:05.39 | arvind_khadri | WormFood, how do I search for a package which has a particular file? |
| 11:05.50 | petemc | apt-file |
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| 11:06.14 | arvind_khadri | thanks :) |
| 11:06.15 | WormFood | what petemc said ;) |
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| 11:07.06 | taleon | hi |
| 11:07.08 | WormFood | arvind_khadri, if the file is on your hard drive, then dpkg -S /path/to/file will tell you what package owns a specific file |
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| 11:07.46 | bbear | hello |
| 11:08.13 | bbear | I would like to know something about the i386 architecture. Is it really 386 instruction set ? |
| 11:08.37 | bbear | or is it 486 ? 586 ? Or even 686 ? |
| 11:10.06 | blackshirt | i think it 386 and compatible system |
| 11:10.11 | blackshirt | maybe :d |
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| 11:10.28 | iElectric | is there a way to boot kernel with lilo and no root partition? |
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| 11:11.26 | bbear | iElectric: You have at least one partition ? |
| 11:11.39 | WormFood | you do not need a partition to boot Linux |
| 11:11.46 | bbear | you can but you probably will have to build a separate /boot partition. |
| 11:12.00 | WormFood | but you do need a root file system |
| 11:12.05 | bbear | WormFood: what do you need to boot linux ? you need linux at least. |
| 11:12.16 | bbear | so you need a file system. |
| 11:12.19 | WormFood | you need the proper files |
| 11:12.28 | client3424 | Is it possible to chroot into a armel installation on a x86 computer? |
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| 11:12.32 | WormFood | yes, you must have some file system, even if it is just a ramdisk |
| 11:12.35 | WormFood | no client3424 |
| 11:12.43 | WormFood | because x86 does not understand arm |
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| 11:12.53 | iElectric | bbear: nop |
| 11:12.55 | client3424 | WormFood: so that's why debootstrap won't work as well? |
| 11:13.29 | bbear | where do you want to put linux ? |
| 11:13.44 | WormFood | well, you're simply not going to be able to execute ARM binaries on an x86 machine without some type of emulation (By the way, I have several ARM systems running Linux) |
| 11:13.45 | client3424 | on a mounted usb partition |
| 11:14.36 | WormFood | I've made my own Linux boot disks from scratch before....for simple things....I just loaded everything up into a ramdisk, and simply run out of RAM at that time.....pretty slick for what I needed at the time. |
| 11:14.51 | client3424 | debootstrap --arch=i386 works fine.. but as soon as I choose --arch=armel it failes at 'chrooting' |
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| 11:16.36 | client3424 | W: Failure trying to run: chroot /home/sander/ac100/chroot mount -t proc proc /proc |
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| 11:17.52 | crilly | This morning our DHCP server (dhcp3-server on Debian Linux) wasn't handing out IPs (or Nagios server told us so). A few of our client PCs weren't getting connectivity. After some looking around, I turned noticed DHCP wasn't running on the secondary/backup DHCP server, so I enable it. The moment I did, DHCP started working from the primary/first server. If the primary DHCP server has no IPs left in the pool, does it reay new requests to the secondary se |
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| 11:18.31 | client3424 | WormFood: any hints? |
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| 11:18.51 | petemc | crilly: what do the logs on the primary server say? |
| 11:19.33 | crilly | petemc: I've yet to find them. |
| 11:19.36 | petemc | syslog |
| 11:19.42 | petemc | unless you've changed that |
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| 11:19.55 | petemc | should be in messages too |
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| 11:23.39 | dreamer | ah, the permissions on my home-folder may be too strict .. |
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| 11:23.55 | dreamer | indeed they where -_- |
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| 11:25.07 | WormFood | client3424> WormFood: any hints? <-- do the same thing, but on an ARM cpu |
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| 11:27.29 | njm-sa | Hey Guys, I had no problem installing Lenny with a SoftRaid Setup (Raid1 for /boot and Raid5 for /) but with Squeeze I get this message after the first reboot: check root = bootarg cat /proc/cmdline |
| 11:27.29 | njm-sa | or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev |
| 11:27.29 | njm-sa | ALERT: /dev/md0 does not exist. dropping to a shell |
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| 11:28.07 | njm-sa | How do I go about fixing this? |
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| 11:33.25 | njm-sa | Sorry the first error line is: mdadm: No devices in the conf file were found |
| 11:34.28 | client3424 | WormFood: the only ARM device left would be my N900 |
| 11:37.07 | WormFood | client3424, I feel sorry for you...I'll NEVER buy another Nokia product, even tho I love my N800 |
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| 11:42.07 | WormFood | client3424, you should be able to make it work with an arm emulator |
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| 11:47.43 | xsergio | Hi, I have a 3g modem MSA110UP connected to a debian squeeze machine. I use usb-modeswitch to switch the device and wvdial to connect. |
| 11:47.45 | xsergio | After two days, I receive "kernel: [222393.073561] option: option_instat_callback: error -84" error messages |
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| 11:47.48 | xsergio | and /dev/ttyUSB1 2 and 3 are disconnected |
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| 11:47.54 | xsergio | any ideas? |
| 11:48.28 | crilly | petemc: Sorry, going back to DHCP - basically I looked in /var/log/messages and seen that it wasn't offering IPs. Not sure where else logs are. |
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| 11:54.17 | Bop | /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/source/scripts/Makefile.build:44: /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/source/scripts/basic/Makefile: No such file or directory |
| 11:54.21 | Bop | any help with this ? |
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| 11:54.51 | ribasushi | is there a place which contains the latest snapshot of older debians? etch sarge etc ? |
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| 11:55.26 | petemc | ribasushi: cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 11:55.40 | Bop | i need to compile something and it gives me that error |
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| 11:56.41 | ribasushi | petemc: so e.g. 3.0_r6 is the state of the repo as it was when the last ever package update landed in woody? |
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| 11:57.58 | petemc | ribasushi: kind of, its the iso of the last release of whatever version of debian |
| 11:58.27 | ribasushi | petemc: is it possible to reconstruct e.g. the woody 'stable' repo in its entirety? |
| 11:58.35 | ribasushi | so that apt-get works as if it is 2002 |
| 11:58.43 | petemc | ribasushi: there is archive.debian.org for that kind of thing |
| 11:58.58 | petemc | !woody sources.list |
| 11:58.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, woody sources.list is "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free", "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security woody/updates main contrib non-free" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" |
| 11:59.02 | ribasushi | ah |
| 11:59.07 | ribasushi | excellency |
| 12:00.58 | ribasushi | petemc: I presume these are "frozen" repositories right? as in - the contents do not change |
| 12:01.55 | WormFood | why in the fuck is tab completing fucking up the quoting of spaces? I type something like "ls file\ with\ spaces", and hit tab, and it comes out as "ls file with spaces" (without the double quotes, of course) |
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| 12:02.53 | s3phir0th115 | Why would you need a Debian release that old? Just out of curiosity |
| 12:03.06 | ham5 | tab compleation works fine for me |
| 12:03.23 | ribasushi | s3phir0th115: precisely out of curiosity :) |
| 12:03.44 | s3phir0th115 | heh |
| 12:03.45 | mAniAk-_- | running debian 6 with bonded interfaces with vlans and primary slave eth0, when i shut down switch interface going to eth0 it fails over properly to eth1 with GARP packets, but when i turn on the switch interface for eth0 it fails over but it doesnt send out any GARP resulting in a 15sec or so gap in connectivity, any ideas? config pretty much the same as this except vlans and ip addresses http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Howtocreatefaulttolerant |
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| 12:25.55 | rhineshell | how can I disable the framebuffer for the installer? I mean install over a serial console? |
| 12:26.28 | iElectric | queeze upgrade broke my lilo/mdadm setup |
| 12:26.35 | rhineshell | I even cannot see the opening menu, the menu that accours before booting tht kernel |
| 12:26.44 | iElectric | it won't find root partition, any thoughts? |
| 12:27.16 | babilen | iElectric: try grub2 |
| 12:27.40 | iElectric | yeah. |
| 12:28.54 | babilen | !fixmbr |
| 12:28.54 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 12:29.53 | babilen | !install grub |
| 12:29.53 | dpkg | [grub] GNU GRUB (GRand Unified Bootloader) 0.9x, aka GRUB Legacy. A powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes and understands many filesystems. To install: "aptitude install grub grub-doc" ("aptitude install grub-legacy grub-legacy-doc" for Squeeze). To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. To migrate from LILO, ask about <lilo->grub>. See also <grub errors>, <grub2>, <supergrub>. http://wiki.debian.org/Grub |
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| 12:30.01 | babilen | dpkg: lilo->grub |
| 12:30.01 | dpkg | aptitude install grub; aptitude purge lilo; edit /etc/kernel-img.conf, so both postinst_hook and postrm_hook are equal to /sbin/update-grub - then run update-grub and install-grub /dev/harddiskdevice to be sure. http://wiki.debian.org/FromLiloToGrub |
| 12:30.17 | iElectric | yeah, wroking on it |
| 12:30.19 | babilen | argh |
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| 12:30.29 | babilen | iElectric: Hang on, those instruction are not for grub2 |
| 12:30.33 | sep | rhineshell, if you can not see the syslinux meny, you must edit the syslinux config on the iso. optinally select the meny entries blindfolded from memory/notes. boot with nofb to disable framebuffer |
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| 12:31.17 | babilen | iElectric: You want the "grub-pc" package for grub2 -- Follow the "fixmbr" instructions. Sorry for the grub1/grub2 mess :) |
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| 12:33.06 | Over|KRS-1 | apt-get install vpopmail not working :x any clue ? |
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| 12:33.24 | babilen | Over|KRS-1: We need more information |
| 12:33.26 | babilen | !bat |
| 12:33.26 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 12:33.29 | babilen | Over|KRS-1: ^^^^ |
| 12:33.54 | Over|KRS-1 | i just need the name of the vpopmail package :x |
| 12:33.59 | Over|KRS-1 | or a like to get it :) |
| 12:34.02 | Over|KRS-1 | link even |
| 12:34.30 | babilen | Over|KRS-1: "apt-cache search vpopmail" "aptitude search ~dvpopmail" |
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| 12:36.28 | babilen | Over|KRS-1: AFAICT it is not packaged for Debian. |
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| 12:37.25 | abrotman | !tell babilen about tell |
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| 12:39.17 | babilen | abrotman: hehe :) I know, just not much going on here. Sorry for messing with the backlog. |
| 12:39.18 | rmrfchik | sexy debian. nsfw, but very nice http://wwwboards.auto.ru/sclass/9038.html |
| 12:39.52 | abrotman | rmrfchik: get the hell out of this channel |
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| 12:40.31 | karla | rmrfchik, meh |
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| 12:41.05 | rmrfchik | at least one like it ;) |
| 12:41.17 | abrotman | bye |
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| 12:48.27 | Cerales | Is it possible to install specific packages from experimental some way? Or do I have to just changfe my sources.list to experimental, update, install the new package, then downgrade to wheezy? |
| 12:49.26 | rmrfchik | why downgrade? just add experimental sources, install software, enjoy |
| 12:49.40 | Cerales | hmm |
| 12:49.58 | Cerales | maybe I'm overestimating how unstable my system would be on experimental? |
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| 12:50.57 | Cerales | I mean, it's not like it's absolutely crucial that upgrading never breaks anything, but i enjoy how stable the testing distribution is |
| 12:50.57 | alsd | hi there |
| 12:51.06 | Cerales | will it really make much difference aside from the packages being newer? |
| 12:51.25 | abrotman | rmrfchik: please shut up |
| 12:51.47 | Cerales | D: |
| 12:52.05 | abrotman | Cerales: packages in experimental should be used with caution .. which package are you talking about ? |
| 12:52.20 | Cerales | I want the latest Iceweasel package, basically. |
| 12:52.37 | abrotman | Cerales: you mean 4.x betas ? |
| 12:52.46 | Cerales | yep |
| 12:52.50 | alsd | i'm having trouble here recovering data from a RAID5 setup. Original drives were in a Synology NAS, which internally uses Linux software RAID. trouble is, the NAS was a little bit mis-managed by non-tech people here, so we have 4 out of 9 drives which are lost. is it possible to recover anything from herE? |
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| 12:53.18 | abrotman | Cerales: there are two methods .. you can use the debian-mozilla team's apt repo, or try experimental .. both could result in loss of data, etc |
| 12:53.28 | Cerales | hmm |
| 12:53.30 | abrotman | alsd: eh .. wtf |
| 12:54.25 | Cerales | I'll give the apt repo a try - I donm't really have much data I'm attached to |
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| 12:54.27 | Cerales | thanks for the advice |
| 12:54.27 | abrotman | alsd: generally, a real RAID5 can only withstand one lost drive .. the second lost drive starts making it really really hard to recover data |
| 12:54.50 | abrotman | Cerales: http://mozilla.debian.net/ .. if that's what you want .. use with caution, may burn your house down, etc |
| 12:54.57 | Cerales | :) thanks. |
| 12:55.10 | Cerales | i'm well used to firefox crashing and burning during beta |
| 12:55.14 | Cerales | it's fun tbh |
| 12:55.25 | alsd | abrotman: some *cough* people tried to rebuild the raid by creating a new volume over 4 of the 9 orignal disks, so we have a 9 volume RAID5 setup with 4 of them rebuilt on a new raid5 setup, the new volume being empty |
| 12:56.03 | alsd | abrotman: i don't know if creating a new volume erases former data |
| 12:56.29 | alsd | abrotman: but officially 4 disks are declared on a different RAID5 (different UUID) |
| 12:56.51 | abrotman | is pretty sure that is pretty bad |
| 12:57.05 | alsd | abrotman: thats what i'm guessing |
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| 12:57.51 | eAndrius | is it possible to set up qemu-kvm in such way, that disk image would only grow with data inside? i.e. if VM data takes 50% of disk and rest is 0`s and disk image is set to 10GB max, in real machine it would only use ~5GB? |
| 12:57.55 | alsd | abrotman: can i try to force the volumes with UUIDs from our original setup ? |
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| 12:58.04 | alsd | abrotman: (and metadata that is) |
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| 12:58.12 | abrotman | alsd: you could try .. but i'd probably make a 'dd' dump of all disks before trying in case you mess it up |
| 12:58.49 | alsd | abrotman: it's already a bit messed up |
| 12:58.56 | alsd | abrotman: (just a bit) |
| 12:58.59 | abrotman | okay .. before you mess it up more :) |
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| 13:00.50 | alsd | abrotman: i'm wondering, as the NAS took some time to build the new and undesired RAID5 volume, if it's possible to do anything at all. Im new to RAID, but i guess it was writing parity data, so that makes recovering the old one pretty difficult... |
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| 13:01.31 | poccha | anyone willing to set up my ispconfig on my debian server for cash? |
| 13:01.59 | petemc | poccha: http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 13:02.35 | poccha | nice :) |
| 13:03.58 | Bop | is there a testing repository where i can update my kernel with liitle harassment ? |
| 13:04.50 | petemc | Bop: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 13:05.01 | Bop | petemc, bpo for testing tree ? |
| 13:05.32 | petemc | no, i assumed you meant you wanted testing kernels for stable |
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| 13:06.06 | abrotman | Bop: you can just try to install the kernel from unstable .. good luck :) |
| 13:06.22 | Bop | :s |
| 13:06.23 | abrotman | alsd: i'd imagine so .. |
| 13:06.57 | babilen | or experimental (which gives you .38) |
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| 13:17.38 | chiiiiiz | hello |
| 13:18.05 | chiiiiiz | I work for a software developper. I have installed a FTP server using vsftpd... under debian. |
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| 13:18.31 | chiiiiiz | I would like to know if I can burn a iso image on this server using ssh? |
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| 13:19.56 | poccha | cant reach anyone of the debian consultants ... :/ ill pay 100usd per hour for anyone who installs isp config on my debian server .... |
| 13:20.51 | chiiiiiz | the thing is, a customer will upload an iso during the week-end to be used... we are very short on delays, and I would like to check the iso using ssh (this I know how to do), and then burn it directly on a DVD-R from the server (the image will be local) using ssh |
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| 13:23.26 | abrotman | poccha: you waited .. uh .. 30 minutes? |
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| 13:23.51 | abrotman | chiiiiiz: sshfs .. but not sure that's a great idea |
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| 13:24.02 | poccha | i tried to call all of them within my area who are specialized an my topic |
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| 13:24.30 | poccha | any yes the server should be back up for a couple of hours already so im in a hurry |
| 13:24.38 | poccha | thats why im willing to pay 100usd ... :) |
| 13:24.43 | poccha | per hour ... |
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| 13:24.47 | abrotman | poccha: this is a support channel, not a consultant channel |
| 13:25.03 | abrotman | wonders why someone is .at is quoting USD anyway ... |
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| 13:25.28 | poccha | make an educated guess ... |
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| 13:26.02 | poccha | if you want to support me on it im in as well... i gave it like 10 shots and it never worked the way it should |
| 13:26.40 | poccha | even if i get no errors during all the installations i cant recieve/send mails. |
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| 13:29.28 | chiiiiiz | abrotman: I have been told about wodim.. I think it is what I need. Thanks anyway |
| 13:29.53 | abrotman | uhm okay |
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| 13:30.26 | Big_Aziz | hi people |
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| 13:32.59 | Big_Aziz | !weechat |
| 13:33.00 | dpkg | WeeChat is a light and extensible cross-platform <IRC> client that promises a lot, and has some unique features like console nick list and horizontally split windows. http://weechat.org/files/doc/weechat_faq.en.html http://weechat.org/ #weechat on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 13:35.00 | mosno | here's a nice easy one: in Gnome Power Management Preferences -> On Battery Power -> When battery power is critically low, the initial setting was empty. Clicking on the setting box caused the setting to become "Shutdown". Now, I can't set it back to the empty setting. How to do this? |
| 13:35.27 | mosno | for all their user friendliness, Gnome sometimes misses the very obvious things |
| 13:35.55 | mosno | oh and there's no Cancel button on the dialogue |
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| 13:37.53 | mosno | i've unset the key in gconf-editor, but how a regular end user is supposed to handle this is beyond me |
| 13:37.56 | abrotman | mosno: you could just kill it ? |
| 13:38.09 | mosno | abrotman, no, because gconf does instant-apply |
| 13:38.13 | abrotman | mosno: bleh ... |
| 13:38.18 | abrotman | mosno: file a bug please |
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| 13:38.25 | mosno | abrotman, gladly |
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| 13:41.17 | iElectric | http://paste2.org/p/1281363 |
| 13:41.19 | iElectric | any ideas? :) |
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| 13:43.03 | Stefunel[A] | Hello! Guys, how do I change the default soundcard? It appears under sound in gnome, but I can't get it to work |
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| 13:43.57 | mAniAk-_- | running debian 6 with bonded interfaces with vlans and primary slave eth0, when i shut down switch interface going to eth0 it fails over properly to eth1 with GARP packets, but when i turn on the switch interface for eth0 it fails over but it doesnt send out any GARP resulting in a 15sec or so gap in connectivity, any ideas? config pretty much the same as this except vlans and ip addresses http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Howtocreatefaulttolerant |
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| 13:44.06 | Pumba | iElectric: apt-get remove php5-fpm, just to make sure? |
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| 13:44.20 | poccha | ... looking for someone to help me set up a webserver with a control panel ... paying ... please contact me |
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| 13:45.34 | Cerales | poccha: no need to pay someone! Cherokee is an easy-to-use web server with a web interface for configuration |
| 13:45.56 | mosno | what's the command where you can click on an X11 window and it tells you information about the process? |
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| 13:47.46 | iElectric | Pumba: then reinstall? |
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| 13:48.39 | iElectric | Pumba: still same error |
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| 13:53.27 | DammitJim | do you know of a good tutorial on how to get only e17 running on debian (w/o gnome or kde) |
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| 13:54.41 | petemc | install debian without choosing desktop task, install xorg and enlightenment |
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| 13:55.11 | dkr | mosno: xwininfo |
| 13:55.30 | DammitJim | petemc, sounds like a plan... I'm downloading debian-live-6.0.0-i386-standard.iso |
| 13:55.52 | DammitJim | I thought we were moving away from xorg |
| 13:57.09 | mosno | dk, xwininfo -all gives lots of info, but not the command line or PID. do you know how to get these? |
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| 13:58.53 | DammitJim | petemc, is this as easy as just installing xorg and enlightenment via apt-get? |
| 13:59.06 | abrotman | DammitJim: aptitude install xorg enlightenment ? |
| 13:59.30 | iElectric | http://paste2.org/p/1281363 |
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| 13:59.38 | iElectric | still same frigging error |
| 13:59.40 | DammitJim | man, I guess I'm going to learn something new today.. aptitude is not the same as apt-get, is it? |
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| 14:01.52 | abrotman | DammitJim: i give commands using aptitude generally .. you can use apt-get .. but i don't generally use it anymore |
| 14:01.58 | dkr | mosno: xwininfo -root -tree|grep xwindowid you got from xwininfo command |
| 14:02.07 | abrotman | iElectric: do NOT use dotdeb .. those packages are broken and screw up machines |
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| 14:03.59 | Xenia | http://www.clixsense.com/?3315577 |
| 14:04.01 | iElectric | abrotman: I see. |
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| 14:10.29 | mosno | abrotman, doesn't look like Debian's mail relay likes my reportbug... "SMTP send failure: (550, 'malware detected: MBL_144360.UNOFFICIAL: message rejected')" |
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| 14:11.46 | abrotman | mosno: if you reomve the smtp server from your ~/.reportbugrc it will send directly instead of via whatever you set |
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| 14:12.57 | mosno | abrotman, apparently my bug report was saved locally, do you know how to retrieve it? |
| 14:13.02 | iElectric | abrotman: any tips how to revert php packages to debian stable? |
| 14:14.17 | mosno | i think i'm hosed |
| 14:14.52 | blinki | stew: thanks for the puppet recommendation. works well. |
| 14:15.42 | mosno | abrotman, i think i need to file 2 bugs in reportbug now |
| 14:15.57 | abrotman | mosno: /tmp/ should have it |
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| 14:16.52 | mosno | abrotman, i chose all the correct options in the reportbug setup, so why did it choose to configure itself with an smtp relay that doesn't relay? is this another bug? |
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| 14:17.12 | mosno | abrotman, yes, /tmp has it thankfully |
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| 14:17.40 | abrotman | mosno: your ISP maybe hijacked it? |
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| 14:20.31 | mosno | abrotman, possible, but unlikely. now, it looks like reportbug saved my report as an internet message (ie. file contains email headers), so how do i invoke reportbug to resume from that file? is it just reportbug --body-file=/tmp/foo ? |
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| 14:20.53 | mosno | ie. reportbug needs to reuse or strip those message headers in the saved file |
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| 14:21.43 | el_gato_grande | Hi. Is there a way to change the title of a window in TWM? E.g. If I have an 'xterm' window open, can I change the title to something else while it is running? |
| 14:22.17 | abrotman | mosno: i've done the copy/paste .. there is a way to have mail read it raw IIRC |
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| 14:23.50 | eshat | I have a wrong time set on a server but cannot install ntpdate since apt-get update fails,... how to adjust time manually ? |
| 14:24.10 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 14:24.10 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (squeeze, lenny) or tzconfig (etch) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior. |
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| 14:24.17 | abrotman | and you should be installing ntp, not ntpdate |
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| 14:26.01 | eshat | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:26.58 | stew | blinki: cool, yeah. puppet is great if you can stick with it long enough to get over the initial hurdles. |
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| 14:30.52 | mosno | abrotman, removing the smarthost line from .reportbugrc causes a noop when i try and have reportbug submit the file; it just saves it in /var/tmp |
| 14:30.58 | mosno | abrotman, i think i might give up now :-\ |
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| 14:31.33 | DammitJim | what is the password for root on a live CD? |
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| 14:35.03 | stew | DammitJim: I doubt there is one. I'd expect sudo to work without a password though |
| 14:35.26 | DammitJim | thanks stew I ended up sudo passwd root 'ing to reset it |
| 14:35.33 | DammitJim | :D |
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| 14:39.13 | scoobertron | I am having trouble with my system freezing when copying large files to nfs mounted filesystems |
| 14:39.33 | damasceno | Someone already used LTSP + Debian? My clients need to use flash drive in Thin clients... how can i enable this? |
| 14:39.44 | scoobertron | google suggests that this might be a kernel bug in 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 14:39.57 | scoobertron | is this a known issue? |
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| 14:44.00 | hugo_ | hello everyone |
| 14:44.29 | hugo_ | i just bought a new pc and installed debian on a partion along side with windows |
| 14:44.39 | hugo_ | i did this using the netinstall from a pendrive |
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| 14:45.11 | hugo_ | now i must have the usb drive to be able to boot debian, or (the only chooice) windows recovery |
| 14:45.30 | hugo_ | so i guess the grub loader ended up on the pendrive instead of disk, anyone know how to fix this |
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| 14:46.10 | hugo_ | btw, while in debian, i can eject the pendrive and still use the os |
| 14:46.16 | hugo_ | but i cant load windows up |
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| 14:49.51 | abrotman | hugo_: grub-install to your hdd? |
| 14:50.22 | hugo_ | how do i do this |
| 14:50.30 | hugo_ | on what hdd for instance, windows drive or debian drive |
| 14:50.40 | abrotman | isn't there only one hdd ? |
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| 14:50.49 | hugo_ | yes |
| 14:50.54 | hugo_ | but i mean its partioned |
| 14:50.59 | hugo_ | doesnt matter? |
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| 14:56.11 | hugo_ | i did |
| 14:56.13 | hugo_ | grub-install |
| 14:56.26 | hugo_ | cannot stat hda |
| 14:56.47 | hugo_ | do i need to boot up a live cd? |
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| 14:57.46 | hugo_ | now i found windows loader and can succesfully load windows, though i still need the pendrive to get to the grub |
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| 14:58.17 | mAniAk-_- | running debian 6 with bonded interfaces with vlans and primary slave eth0, when i shut down switch interface going to eth0 it fails over properly to eth1 with GARP packets, but when i turn on the switch interface for eth0 it fails over but it doesnt send out any GARP resulting in a 15sec or so gap in connectivity, any ideas? config pretty much the same as this except vlans and ip addresses http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Howtocreatefaulttolerant |
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| 15:03.16 | rysiek|pl | hullo |
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| 15:03.38 | hugo_ | i worked it out |
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| 15:03.42 | hugo_ | grub-install dev/sda |
| 15:03.49 | hugo_ | update-grub |
| 15:03.49 | hugo_ | thanks |
| 15:03.53 | rysiek|pl | guys, I need some help with lenny -> squeeze upgrade |
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| 15:15.07 | rysiek|pl | everything went mre or less smooth |
| 15:15.08 | rysiek|pl | *BUT* |
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| 15:15.28 | rysiek|pl | python instalation complains |
| 15:15.28 | rysiek|pl | http://wklej.org/id/486668/ |
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| 15:16.07 | rysiek|pl | anybody any pointers on that? |
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| 15:16.39 | claint | something wrong with dpkg? |
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| 15:16.39 | nvz | rysiek|pl: nope, considering its in jibberish (as far as I'm concerned) and you left out the part where it actually shows what package and version its installing... indicating what distro you are using |
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| 15:17.40 | rysiek|pl | nvz: the messages abve are in Polish, so I thought better to cut them |
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| 15:17.45 | rysiek|pl | nvz: http://wklej.org/id/486675/ |
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| 15:17.46 | rysiek|pl | nvz: there you go |
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| 15:17.47 | nkuttler | rysiek|pl: LANG=C command |
| 15:17.48 | rysiek|pl | nkuttler: ? |
| 15:17.48 | rysiek|pl | ah |
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| 15:17.53 | rysiek|pl | nvz, nkuttler: http://wklej.org/id/486677/ |
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| 15:18.35 | nkuttler | rysiek|pl: which debian release do you run? |
| 15:18.53 | nkuttler | ah, squeeze, odd |
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| 15:19.06 | rysiek|pl | nkuttler: just upgraded lenny to squeeze |
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| 15:19.42 | nkuttler | rysiek|pl: i don't know too much about the python packages, but you can try to fix the postinstl script |
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| 15:20.59 | rysiek|pl | nkuttler: I am prolly a bit at fault, as while on lenny I had to install python 2.6 by hand. but the error here does not seem to be much related... |
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| 15:21.38 | nkuttler | rysiek|pl: well, remove your pyhton install |
| 15:21.52 | nkuttler | rysiek|pl: and check out virtualenv |
| 15:21.53 | rysiek|pl | nkuttler: ah virtualenv |
| 15:21.53 | rysiek|pl | riight |
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| 15:22.34 | jeward | I'm having the following problem when trying to install squeeze on a Dell 2950: Choose-mirror DEBUG command wget -q http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian//dists/squeeze/Release -O - | grep -E '^(Suite|Codename):' |
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| 15:22.57 | jeward | Says every mirror I try doesn't support the squeeze distribution. |
| 15:23.06 | mAniAk-_- | running debian 6 with bonded interfaces with vlans and primary slave eth0, when i shut down switch interface going to eth0 it fails over properly to eth1 with GARP packets, but when i turn on the switch interface for eth0 it fails over but it doesnt send out any GARP resulting in a 15sec or so gap in connectivity, any ideas? config pretty much the same as this except vlans and ip addresses http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Howtocreatefaulttolerant |
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| 15:27.23 | jeward | Squeeze install on a Dell 2950 is getting: Bad mirror archive |
| 15:27.28 | jeward | Choose-mirror DEBUG command wget -q http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian//dists/squeeze/Release -O - | grep -E '^(Suite|Codename):' |
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| 15:29.05 | nvz | ugh.. the wifi on this other laptop just decided while I was asleep that its not going to work anymore |
| 15:29.26 | nvz | I tried a full reboot since it was waking up from suspend |
| 15:29.50 | nvz | still nothing in the kernel log... |
| 15:30.38 | nvz | gives me SOICSIFFLAGS: Unknonw error 132 when I try bring it up/down |
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| 15:31.41 | Yvemath | Why when booting from debian cd, I get a "Invalid argument" when mounting root ? |
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| 15:32.31 | acottag | Hello! |
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| 15:33.05 | acottag | Any impressions on latest Debian GNU / Linux realase? |
| 15:33.32 | nvz | its pretty much gotta be rfkill... ugh.. wtf |
| 15:33.32 | dvs | It's the best thing since sliced bread. |
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| 15:34.10 | nvz | and it figures I don't have "rfkill" installed... |
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| 15:34.19 | nvz | acottag: comes with everything including the kitchensync |
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| 15:34.40 | acottag | lol... |
| 15:34.44 | nvz | I'm serious |
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| 15:35.14 | dvs | sinks his kitchen |
| 15:35.17 | dvs | oops |
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| 15:36.08 | nvz | blah blah blah blah blah.. how the friendly-colorful-language does this happen?! |
| 15:36.30 | nvz | continues complaining as he looks for a thumbdrive and manually downloads rfkill |
| 15:36.52 | acottag | I'm downloading now, to try install tomorrow. |
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| 15:39.08 | nvz | acottag: just remember, when in doubt, hit enter.. easy enough a monkey can do it |
| 15:39.25 | nvz | do not /msg me |
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| 15:39.36 | Ziber | nvz: or a caveman |
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| 15:40.02 | nvz | Ziber: yeah well the cavemen are getting angry about us saying that.. |
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| 15:40.11 | Ziber | indeed, lol. |
| 15:40.16 | acottag | nvz:ok |
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| 15:40.54 | nvz | I am in severe pain, just woke up, and this f'n wifi isn't working the last thing I need is people sending me /msg |
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| 15:41.07 | Yvemath | How to mount root with rw option in "ash" from debian cd ? |
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| 15:41.36 | acottag | nvz: :) |
| 15:41.36 | Yvemath | tried "mount -o rw /dev/hda1 /mnt" gives me "Invalid argument" error |
| 15:41.37 | Yvemath | :D |
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| 15:42.00 | nvz | Yvemath: mount -o remount,rw / |
| 15:42.01 | Yvemath | nvz: tried that too. |
| 15:42.04 | Yvemath | Same error |
| 15:42.07 | Yvemath | invalid argument |
| 15:42.09 | nvz | Yvemath: lets slow down a bit |
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| 15:42.13 | Yvemath | nvz: sure. |
| 15:42.23 | nvz | Yvemath: what are you trying to do here... a chroot rescue? |
| 15:42.34 | Yvemath | yes. |
| 15:42.36 | project2501a | there is no 1-to-1 correlation to the packages you install and the packages you un-install, is there? i mean, if you install tomcat and then you want to un-install it, that does not mean that all the packages you installed will be un-install, does it? |
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| 15:43.10 | nvz | Yvemath: is the device mounting at all? you realize you have to let the installer get to the detecting disks step before dropping into a console right? |
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| 15:43.43 | project2501a | hmmm. maybe apt-get should have an "undo" function.... |
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| 15:44.33 | project2501a | man, i need to brush my C so i will implement stuff, instead of running my mouth about features i would like to see... |
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| 15:44.41 | Yvemath | nvz: i'm actually helping someone *a bit paranoid* to get his system work... He's booting from debian cd , to a very minimal shell i.e. ash |
| 15:45.06 | nvz | Yvemath: what kind of debian cd? |
| 15:45.14 | aquafina | hello all. i just did a network install of debian squeeze from the business card iso. what do i install to get the meta package for xfce and teh gui? |
| 15:45.15 | acottag | Bye. I hope to hear you soon. |
| 15:45.27 | aquafina | first package installed was irssi though :) |
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| 15:46.15 | justin_ | aquafina: apt-cache search xfce meta |
| 15:46.16 | nvz | Yvemath: the debian installer disks (netinstall) cannot see your HDD until you let them get to the detect disks stage where it loads the drivers |
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| 15:46.27 | Yvemath | nvz: it's not a netinstall.. He has a DVD, i guess. |
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| 15:46.30 | aquafina | justin_: thanks. will that install the necessary packages for X as well? |
| 15:46.31 | nvz | Yvemath: and mount does mounting rw unless explicitly told otherwise |
| 15:46.54 | justin_ | aquafina: probably not, install 'xorg' |
| 15:46.56 | aquafina | and another thing, Exim starts up during the system bootup. How do i stop it? I dont need a MTA |
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| 15:47.11 | aquafina | justin_: first aptitude install xorg, and then aptitude install the xfce packages? |
| 15:47.26 | justin_ | aquafina: just do both |
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| 15:47.29 | aquafina | okay |
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| 15:47.43 | aquafina | and how do i get smaller fonts in teh console? the fonts are big and i can see only few lines. |
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| 15:47.53 | nvz | Yvemath: what happens when he tries to just mount /dev/hda1 /mnt ? |
| 15:48.28 | Yvemath | nvz: successfully remounted now, after giving a -f option. |
| 15:48.32 | Yvemath | nvz: now, can't cd to /boot |
| 15:48.33 | Yvemath | :S |
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| 15:48.45 | nvz | Yvemath: did you chroot to it? |
| 15:48.47 | Yvemath | He doesnt has a /boot on a different partition either |
| 15:48.56 | Yvemath | nvz: nope.. |
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| 15:49.22 | nvz | Yvemath: well chrooting to the mounted root partition will give you a full shell |
| 15:49.34 | justin_ | Yvemath: what does "can't cd" mean? |
| 15:49.38 | nvz | from the installer shell /boot would be /mnt/boot |
| 15:49.45 | Yvemath | justin_: can't change directory to /boot |
| 15:50.04 | project2501a | #debian-mentors is on irc.debian.org, correct? |
| 15:50.04 | nvz | there is no /boot on the cd |
| 15:50.06 | justin_ | Yvemath: "can't" is not an error |
| 15:50.42 | Yvemath | justin_: i see. |
| 15:50.47 | project2501a | also: i got a 4 monitor setup. i am about to (re)install debian. how do i tell the installer that the monitors are in portrait mode? |
| 15:50.49 | Yvemath | nvz: okay any precautions to take before chroot-ing ? |
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| 15:52.03 | nvz | Yvemath: yeah, mount the device, and possbily get someone who knows what they're doing ;) |
| 15:52.04 | nvz | but then again I guess thats why you're here |
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| 15:52.28 | Yvemath | nvz: i don't have a whole lot of experience with debian cd's hehe. i've only netinstalled.. No installation media in my PC :) |
| 15:52.34 | Yvemath | s/in/on/ |
| 15:52.37 | aquafina | justin_: do i have to do anything to configure xorg? or i just go ahead and install xfce after that? |
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| 15:52.44 | dury | hi there channel : I got this problem... how do I solve it => http://img101.imageshack.us/i/goggleerror2.png/ |
| 15:52.58 | nvz | Yvemath: yeah well if you got the root mounted on /mnt then chroot /mnt |
| 15:53.08 | nvz | Yvemath: should be able to fix the bootloader or whatever you are after from there |
| 15:53.15 | justin_ | aquafina: I told you to install both, not to install one and then the other |
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| 15:53.18 | justin_ | aquafina: just install everything, hopefully it will work |
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| 15:53.58 | Yvemath | nvz: dunno for what reason, he has passworded the grub and forgot the password too. |
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| 15:54.11 | nvz | Yvemath: heh, well you said he was paranoid |
| 15:54.28 | aquafina | justin_: ok ok |
| 15:54.42 | Yvemath | and he's also forgot root password, so i'm just trying to help him get inside debian with kernel init=/bin/sh parameter and change the /etc/passwd file |
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| 15:54.46 | nvz | Yvemath: you might also need to mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev |
| 15:54.55 | cahoot | dury: tried to just browse the dir in question? |
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| 15:55.15 | aquafina | 109 MB to download. that will take a while |
| 15:55.18 | nvz | Yvemath: do not modify /etc/passwd.. first off its not where the passwords are, 2nd you're gonna break something |
| 15:55.37 | FriarLaurence | hi, is it possible to downgrade a package with apt including all dependencies in a short way? i would like to do something like apt-get install xserver-xorg/stable xserver-xorg-video-all/stable xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/stable xserver-xorg-video-nv/stable xserver-xorg-core/stable xserver-xorg-video-vmware/stable ..../stable |
| 15:56.06 | project2501a | FriarLaurence: man apt-get |
| 15:56.07 | project2501a | -t |
| 15:56.19 | nvz | Yvemath: if you've got it booted from a cd and the root partition mounted to /mnt, then mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev then chroot /mnt |
| 15:56.26 | FriarLaurence | -t doesnt change anything. in preferences stable already has the priority 1001 |
| 15:56.39 | nvz | Yvemath: if you don't know what to do after that, ask.. don't hack the password files manually |
| 15:56.51 | FriarLaurence | in /etc/apt/preferences the release âstableâ has priority 1001 |
| 15:57.03 | dury | cahoot: what you mean... would you explain it in other words please? |
| 15:57.03 | project2501a | FriarLaurence: mind your dependencies, tho. some things you should pin down. else re-install, i say |
| 15:57.05 | [switch] | FriarLaurence: apt-pinning may help? |
| 15:57.08 | aquafina | Can i mount my Windows NTFS partitions? Is tehre a document I can read to find what to do |
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| 15:57.24 | project2501a | aquafina: man mount |
| 15:57.31 | aquafina | i wanted to link and mount them during install, but the installer didnt say anything for NTFS.. it had fat |
| 15:57.34 | project2501a | aquafina: provided you got ntfs support in the kernel |
| 15:57.41 | project2501a | aquafina: apt-get install ntfs3g |
| 15:57.50 | FriarLaurence | [switch]: stable now has the highest priority |
| 15:57.55 | aquafina | okay, let me install that first |
| 15:58.02 | project2501a | ( i think. haven't installed that package in ages. but apt-search it) |
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| 15:58.04 | aquafina | i can listen to songs while the rest of the system downloads |
| 15:58.19 | FriarLaurence | project2501a: i'd like to downgrade all dependencies as well without writing their name/stable explicitly |
| 15:58.38 | project2501a | i am listening to the woes of a thousand and one tweens posting pics on motherless. |
| 15:58.45 | nvz | aquafina: you can set that up in the fstab and create a perminant mount point for them. you may also want to create a group for access to the ntfs partition |
| 15:58.50 | project2501a | FriarLaurence: coem again? |
| 15:59.06 | project2501a | FriarLaurence: come again? |
| 15:59.24 | cahoot | dury: I don't feel like copying char by char the url - but the message is a complaint about a specific file not found - you could point you browser to the directory in which it was expected to be |
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| 15:59.36 | jhutchins_lt | !downgrade |
| 15:59.36 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 15:59.45 | FriarLaurence | project2501a: sorry, what comes? |
| 15:59.45 | aquafina | nvz: wha? a group? I just want read write access to the ntfs data partitions. |
| 15:59.58 | aquafina | i'll test with mount, and then add them to fstab |
| 16:00.21 | nvz | aquafina: right well ntfs doesn't have posix permissions so when its mounted it inherits the permissions of who mounted it.. i.e. root.. so you use a group.. |
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| 16:00.31 | aquafina | nvz: oh |
| 16:00.34 | project2501a | FriarLaurence: i did not get what you meant about "writing their name/stable explicitely" |
| 16:00.45 | project2501a | ah, i see what you mean |
| 16:00.49 | nvz | aquafina: you could use the "disk" group which most users alredy belong to.. or you can create an ntfsusers or something group |
| 16:00.55 | nvz | aquafina: then add users to that group to allow them access |
| 16:01.08 | aquafina | hm, i'll go with disk then. sounds safe |
| 16:01.21 | aquafina | is there a newbie guide to debian somewhere? |
| 16:01.33 | project2501a | FriarLaurence: to be honest, mate, i do not downgrade that often |
| 16:01.39 | nvz | aquafina: also you can mount it to /media/windows or such.. anything mounted in /media/ is accessible from the desktop |
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| 16:01.43 | project2501a | aquafina: yeah, there's a book from no starch press |
| 16:01.52 | FriarLaurence | apt-get install -t stable package/stable dependency1/stable dependency2/stable says: depends on dependency3. but shall not be installed |
| 16:01.54 | project2501a | aquafina: but what are you looking for exactly? |
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| 16:02.13 | aquafina | project2501a: well, i seem to have a lot of small but useless questions. so was looking at a wiki or a howto of some sort |
| 16:02.25 | project2501a | debian wiki is one place |
| 16:02.36 | project2501a | but there's a book on debian, as i said |
| 16:02.40 | project2501a | sorry, guys got to get back reading about tomat |
| 16:02.42 | project2501a | ttyl |
| 16:02.51 | aquafina | project2501a: howto mount windows partitions, howto play mp3s, howto setup x/xfce and howto decrease screen size |
| 16:02.54 | nvz | aquafina: /dev/hda1 /media/windows ntfs3g gid=6 0 0 |
| 16:02.57 | aquafina | later, project2501a |
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| 16:03.08 | FriarLaurence | my monitor flickers every 20 seconds, it is definitely software-related. thats why id like to downgrade some xserver-xorg-video packages. does anyone know an alternative solution for this? |
| 16:03.08 | nvz | aquafina: would be an fstab line for example to mount it to /media/windows with gid 6 (disk) |
| 16:03.23 | project2501a | aquafina: questions are never useless. just be smart how you ask them: google "how to ask a smart question." guide by ESR |
| 16:03.44 | aquafina | nvz: but i have to create mount points under /media first, right? |
| 16:03.54 | aquafina | project2501a: i will google, once i have X running :D |
| 16:03.56 | nvz | aquafina: yes mkdir /media/windows |
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| 16:04.04 | aquafina | cool. let me make a few of those. |
| 16:04.08 | project2501a | aquafina: blasphemer, use screen + lynx |
| 16:04.20 | aquafina | project2501a: what's screen? |
| 16:04.30 | aquafina | lynx i read about a while ago. |
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| 16:04.49 | project2501a | screen is a way to have multiple ttys on the same terminal |
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| 16:04.50 | nvz | aquafina: you can put it anywhere really, but as I said, the Desktop Standards outline that anything mounted to /media/ appears on the desktop.. which makes it simple |
| 16:05.10 | project2501a | aquafina: if you press alt+f1/f2/f3../f7 on your terminal, you can see an example of multiple tty |
| 16:05.22 | project2501a | screen does the same thing, but within a single terminal. |
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| 16:05.35 | project2501a | let's not get into stty and pttys and their diff |
| 16:05.39 | jhutchins_lt | aquafina: http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/ http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ |
| 16:05.48 | project2501a | tomcat! |
| 16:05.59 | aquafina | project2501a: meh.my laptop is screwy. i have to press alt + Fn key + F1 to change terminals. it is not fun.. |
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| 16:06.19 | aquafina | one of those new dell laptops where teh function keys are less important than "increase volume" |
| 16:06.23 | jhutchins_lt | aquafina: That's how it works. |
| 16:06.27 | aquafina | thanks, jhutchins_lt |
| 16:06.46 | dury | cahoot: could you please advice me how to solve that problem? |
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| 16:06.58 | aquafina | jhutchins_lt: it is supposed to be Alt+F1 but i have to type Alt+Fn Key+F1 |
| 16:07.03 | aquafina | 3 key presses |
| 16:07.07 | aquafina | not easy with left hand |
| 16:07.09 | Yvemath | nvz: it fails to bind /dev for him >> "mounting /dev on /mnt/dev failed: No such file or directory" |
| 16:07.19 | jhutchins_lt | dury: You posted a graphic. What is the problem? |
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| 16:07.30 | cahoot | dury: I've tried |
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| 16:21.24 | Yvemath | that's the root of the problem |
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| 16:21.25 | nvz | Yvemath: /dev/hda1 is an ext3 partition containing a stable debian install? is that much safe to assume? |
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| 16:21.25 | Yvemath | nvz: it's ext2 as told by him. |
| 16:21.25 | Yvemath | not ext2+J |
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| 16:21.25 | nvz | Yvemath: well ext2.. either way.. its a supported fs by the cd media you are booted from |
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| 16:21.26 | nvz | Yvemath: are you certain its seeing the HDD as hda1? dmesg | grep hd |
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| 16:21.26 | Yvemath | nvz: ah, i assumed that. one sec, lemme see to that |
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| 16:21.26 | karlpinc | Yvemath: and: file -s /dev/hda1 to see what sort of partition it is. |
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| 16:33.00 | joe6 | ld is taking a lot of time, i think it is because of the run time memory usage and a lot of paging going on. I am thinking of using the --no-keep-memory and --reduce-memory-overheads flags. Is there anything more that I can do? |
| 16:33.00 | joe6 | to speed it up. |
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| 16:36.17 | joe6 | such as caching or does it do all that, by default? |
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| 16:40.45 | aquafina | hello. i just install xorg and xfce4 and got x running. is there a way to fix the screen fonts? they look all mixed up - a little mixed up. is tehre a way to turn on something like cleartype for windows to clean the fonts? |
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| 16:40.58 | aquafina | i am running it on a laptop |
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| 16:42.20 | pipeline | aquafina: yes there are several things you should do in order to clean up your fotns |
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| 16:42.23 | Yvemath | My apologies, for disturbing ya which in the end didnt get any results, but he quits > http://pastebin.com/BzRdRt4d |
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| 16:42.30 | pipeline | aquafina: and yes, subpixel antialiasing, the equivalent to cleartype, is possible |
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| 16:42.53 | pipeline | aquafina: unfortunately I do not have time to explain any of this because I'm on my way out the door. Hopefully the knowledge that what you want to do is in fact possible will be enough to get you started ;) |
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| 16:43.42 | EugenMayer | hello, iam currently using VMWare and also have some exp with lenny under HyperV. Do i need to run any specific tools / kernels to be able to run debian lenny as XEN client? |
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| 16:44.40 | FriarLaurence | hi, my external screen flickers every 20 seconds. is there anything i can do? this occured with the latest version of testing and now i upgraded to experimental but nothing changed |
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| 16:48.39 | FriarLaurence | hi, my external screen flickers every 20 seconds. is there anything i can do? this occured with the latest version of testing and now i upgraded to experimental but nothing changed |
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| 16:49.48 | yang_ | anyone else facing red colorized videos in youtube ? |
| 16:50.00 | yang_ | when looking with chromium |
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| 17:06.01 | narugawa | hi all |
| 17:06.21 | narugawa | how i can have sound from speaker and headphones ? |
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| 17:06.54 | jhutchins_lt | narugawa: Sometimes a plug in the headphone jack physically disconnects the speakers. |
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| 17:07.38 | narugawa | ok jhutchins_lt thanks for the answer ;) |
| 17:07.40 | jhutchins_lt | FriarLaurence: With no knowledge of what hardware or software is involved, the only suggestion I can make is to check for BIOS updates from your vendor. |
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| 17:20.58 | hmca | greetings, i'm looking for a freenx nomachine - alternative , i just whant a X11 session from anywhere , using linux or osx clients, anyone ? thanks |
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| 17:28.26 | smacnay | is there a hold up with xorg in sid? I have had xorg stuff on hold for 2 weeks and am wondering if I need to do something to get xorg updated. |
| 17:29.13 | smacnay | is not impatient but wondering if there is something he should be doing to help the update work |
| 17:29.27 | merunner | yo guys, any advice on which dedicated host we could find something like this: http://bit.ly/gJurBV |
| 17:29.29 | merunner | ? |
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| 17:29.53 | engla | hmca: freenx is very good at what it's doing (low latency etc) |
| 17:30.03 | engla | hmca: but I don't know any alternatives :-) |
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| 17:31.46 | gogu | Hi! could someone help me with my NIC driver issue in squeeze 6.0 |
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| 17:32.59 | babilen | gogu: Probably, what issue is that? |
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| 17:35.18 | gogu | the installer doesn't recognize my NIC (lenny recognize it) and when install the driver from intel corp |
| 17:35.29 | gogu | CFLAGS was changed in "/usr/local/src/e100-3.5.17/src/Makefile". Fix it to use EXTRA_CFLAGS. Stop. |
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| 17:35.47 | gogu | i am stuck here |
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| 17:35.56 | babilen | gogu: You need firmare |
| 17:36.07 | gogu | from? |
| 17:36.11 | babilen | gogu: And why are you compiling? |
| 17:36.25 | babilen | gogu: So, you haven't installed yet? |
| 17:36.32 | gogu | no |
| 17:36.46 | babilen | Where/Whatfor are you trying to compile the driver then? |
| 17:37.02 | babilen | Regardless of that, you'll need the firmware. |
| 17:37.06 | babilen | !firmware images |
| 17:37.06 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install debian>. |
| 17:37.07 | gogu | is written in README file |
| 17:37.37 | gogu | aha |
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| 17:38.14 | babilen | You can either use the images with firmware mentioned above, or supply the firmware on a removable medium. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.html.en |
| 17:38.27 | babilen | gogu: Which README file are you referring to? |
| 17:38.32 | gogu | babilen: thanks |
| 17:38.36 | babilen | np |
| 17:38.44 | gogu | from intel corp |
| 17:39.04 | babilen | ah, forget about that :) |
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| 18:00.34 | Stefunel | guys, how can I change the default soundcard? I have a usb soundcard and after I power it on, I can never change the output |
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| 18:01.22 | cahoot | Stefunel: you want it consistently as default ? |
| 18:01.39 | Stefunel | cahoot, no, I want to easily change between them |
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| 18:01.57 | Stefunel | or better, only one music player software to output to that one |
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| 18:02.35 | cahoot | Stefunel: no configoption in the player to choose alsadevice? |
| 18:03.16 | Stefunel | no cahoot |
| 18:03.28 | Stefunel | cahoot, can you suggest one that has this? (for gnome) |
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| 18:05.28 | djura-san | Hi guys. Im wondering: how to set up "3 mouse button emulation" in sid? I tried several times to do something in xorg.cof but no luck |
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| 18:07.37 | djura-san | im not sure is that handled now with udev or what :\ |
| 18:07.47 | gogu | babilen: i have downloaded iso debian firmware, burned to cd, now how should I load this after system installation? |
| 18:08.01 | gogu | with apt-get? |
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| 18:08.22 | cahoot | Stefunel: I guess most can be told to use a specified alsadevice - aqualung can for sure |
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| 18:10.46 | gogu | looks that babilen has quit |
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| 18:12.27 | gogu | babilen: I have downloaded firmware image, burned to cd, now how should i load it? |
| 18:12.35 | djura-san | gogu: if you donwloaded iso with packages from official site then the answer is yes: use apt-cdrom add |
| 18:12.41 | djura-san | *downloaded |
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| 18:13.32 | gogu | and apt-get install firmware-linux right? |
| 18:13.34 | Stefunel | cahoot, do you use aqualung? I can't seem to find how to change the alsadevice anywhere |
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| 18:14.07 | cahoot | Stefunel: one can define a commandline in the prefs |
| 18:14.17 | djura-san | gogu: maybe, not sure what firmware do you need. apt-cdrom add will add that disk to apt archive and you must use apt-get update (i think) |
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| 18:15.02 | djura-san | gogu: there is package in debian repo called "firmware-linux" so yes, i believe that you can use that :) |
| 18:15.49 | jhutchins_lt | gogu: Have you read the install guide? |
| 18:16.07 | gogu | yes |
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| 18:16.25 | gogu | but not sure |
| 18:16.37 | gogu | clear |
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| 18:17.32 | babilen | gogu: Hmm, what about using that image to install Debian (Which *is* your goal, right?) |
| 18:18.01 | gogu | I just have installed fresh debian squeeze |
| 18:18.11 | babilen | gogu: You said that you don't have Debian installed. The firmware images contain the firmware you need. |
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| 18:18.27 | cahoot | Stefunel: settings->misc->implicit commandline (use something like -d plughw:1 for the 2:nd sound card) |
| 18:18.31 | babilen | gogu: Ah, then you just want to enable <non-free> and install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 18:18.37 | gogu | sorry, misunderstood |
| 18:18.46 | gogu | exactly |
| 18:19.00 | babilen | gogu: I though you need your NIC for the installation. You don't need that image if all you need is a package |
| 18:19.05 | babilen | !tell gogu -about non-free |
| 18:19.22 | Stefunel | cahoot, this is a pain, I have set that command the wrong way and now I can't get it to start no matter what :) |
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| 18:19.38 | babilen | gogu: You probably want to enable "contrib" as well. (So the "deb" lines essentially look like "main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:19.58 | babilen | gogu: How did you install without your NIC? Do you have a working network connection? |
| 18:20.26 | frikinz | is there a gui app that does ifup / ifdown scripts? ( and not ifconfig ) |
| 18:20.58 | gogu | yes, ihave a laptop too wich i used for downloading cd image |
| 18:21.27 | frikinz | strangely I can't do ctrl-c anymore in the dhcpclient start |
| 18:21.36 | cahoot | Stefunel: look in $HOME/.aqualung/config.xml (search for plughw) |
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| 18:21.52 | babilen | gogu: So you don't have a working internet connection on the computer in you just installed Debian on and which has the firmware problems? How did you install it? |
| 18:22.09 | cahoot | Stefunel: or rather default_param |
| 18:22.18 | babilen | gogu: If you don't have, you can install the firmware by manually downloading it from packages.debian.org and using, for example, dpkg -i to install it. Another way would be to place the downloaded .deb in /var/cache/apt/archives/ and the installing it with "aptitude install firmware-linux-nonfree" |
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| 18:23.15 | gogu | since i downloaded images that you sugest, i can use it as repo? |
| 18:23.17 | babilen | gogu: Sorry, I wasn't aware that you actually were able to install it and therefore pointed you to the installation guide. |
| 18:24.32 | babilen | gogu: The firmware is probably on there somewhere. Not sure if it is picked up by apt-cdrom though. But you might just be able to copy it over. You just want that single firmware file (.zip / tar.gz on the cd) or .deb from packages.debian.org |
| 18:25.09 | Stefunel | cahoot, aqualung -d plughw:1 does not work. probing alsa driver : device busy |
| 18:25.13 | gogu | there are many in a 'firmware directory' |
| 18:25.52 | Stefunel | cahoot, I got it to start, but OMG |
| 18:25.56 | Stefunel | the sound is just horrible |
| 18:26.50 | babilen | gogu: What is in there? (I honestly have no idea) Could you paste a filelist to paste.debian.net ? |
| 18:27.08 | fbs | i want to track wheezy and sid for some packages. So i added wheezy and sid to my sources.list and copied the Tracking the evolution of a codename release |
| 18:27.14 | babilen | gogu: your ultimate goal is to install firmware-linux-nonfree .. |
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| 18:27.19 | fbs | from the apt_preferences manpage |
| 18:27.32 | fbs | but aptitude update gives a E: Invalid record in the preferences file /etc/apt/preferences, no Package header |
| 18:27.35 | fbs | error |
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| 18:27.53 | fbs | Package: * should be ok ? |
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| 18:29.59 | mike | hello |
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| 18:30.11 | Guest73399 | may anyone help with ffmpeg instalation? |
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| 18:31.13 | babilen | Guest73399: What's the problem? |
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| 18:31.36 | Guest73399 | well i did installed with apt-get install ffmpeg |
| 18:31.40 | Guest73399 | but thats not enough |
| 18:31.55 | Guest73399 | checked whole web nothing usefull found |
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| 18:41.55 | jhutchins_lt | Guest73399: Still doesn't say where. Why would you buy a script for open source software? |
| 18:41.56 | fbs | :P |
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| 18:41.56 | prince_jammys | Guest73399: in a shell: ''type ffmpeg'' |
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| 18:41.56 | prince_jammys | that's the word 'type', literally |
| 18:41.56 | jhutchins_lt | Guest73399: There is probably a better way to do what you're really trying to do. |
| 18:41.56 | fbs | E: Invalid record in the preferences file /etc/apt/preferences, no Package header |
| 18:41.56 | pinkisntwell | how the hell do i restart X? ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't seem to be working. did that got changed? |
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| 18:41.56 | babilen | gogu: Depends on where you are |
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| 18:41.56 | fbs | jhutchins_lt: you tell doesnt work ;) |
| 18:41.56 | gogu | babilen: standard installation repositories should be enough? |
| 18:41.56 | fbs | s/you/your |
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| 18:41.56 | gogu | romania |
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| 18:41.57 | Mike123 | i got kicked |
| 18:41.57 | BLZbubba | howdy, i just got the vlc 1.1.7 update but it doesn't seem to support VA-API |
| 18:41.57 | abrotman | nominates stew |
| 18:41.57 | Mike123 | i was talking about ffmpeg |
| 18:41.57 | babilen | !tell gogo -about mirrors |
| 18:41.57 | babilen | !tell gogo -about geo sources.list |
| 18:41.57 | jhutchins_lt | pinkisntwell: Which release are you on? /etc/init.d/[gdm|kdm|xdm] restart should still work. |
| 18:41.57 | BLZbubba | anyone else have (or care about) this issue? |
| 18:41.57 | babilen | Ah, dpkg is gnone :-( |
| 18:41.57 | gogu | !dpkg sources.list |
| 18:41.57 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 18:41.57 | fbs | yeah looks like it |
| 18:41.57 | jhutchins_lt | dondelelcaro: dpkg seems to be awol. |
| 18:41.57 | pinkisntwell | jhutchins_lt: squeeze, just upgraded a few days ago |
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| 18:41.58 | jhutchins_lt | pinkisntwell: Do you have an xorg.conf that overrides Ctrl-Alt-Backspace? |
| 18:41.58 | Mike123 | is there any big difference betwen ffmpeg and ffmpeg-php |
| 18:41.58 | babilen | dpkg: wb |
| 18:41.58 | dpkg | thanks, babilen. It's good to be back. |
| 18:41.58 | pinkisntwell | jhutchins_lt: no |
| 18:41.58 | babilen | !tell gogu -about sources.list |
| 18:42.04 | BLZbubba | Mike123: yes a huge difference |
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| 18:42.10 | jhutchins_lt | !tell fbs about sid |
| 18:42.17 | BLZbubba | that's like the difference between debian and the linux kernel |
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| 18:42.25 | pinkisntwell | jhutchins_lt: but i have remapped my left ctrl to caps lock. however it doesn't work with the old or the remapped one |
| 18:42.34 | Mike123 | a okay tnx bubba |
| 18:42.57 | gogu | babilen: ok have a nice evening you too |
| 18:43.03 | babilen | gogu: cheers |
| 18:43.05 | jhutchins_lt | pinkisntwell: I know xorg had defaulted to disabling that a while back, but I thought Debian at least fixed it before the squeeze release. |
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| 18:43.32 | pinkisntwell | jhutchins_lt: is there a way to re enable it? i'm trying to configure a dual monitor setup here and i imagine i will need it quite a bit |
| 18:44.07 | Mike123 | where usualy apt-get modules are installed? |
| 18:44.59 | Mike123 | etc ? usr? |
| 18:45.02 | babilen | Mike123: What do you mean? If you want to see the content of an installed package run "dpkg -L PACKAGE", for exmample: dpkg -L ffmpeg |
| 18:45.20 | Mike123 | i mean i installed ffmpeg from apt-get |
| 18:45.24 | babilen | Mike123: The packages themselves are stored in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 18:45.27 | Mike123 | and i dont know where its installed now |
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| 18:45.36 | abrotman | Mike123: dpkg -L pkgname |
| 18:45.37 | Mike123 | i tried to locate it |
| 18:45.42 | Mike123 | but nothing found |
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| 18:45.48 | babilen | Mike123: dpkg -L ffmpeg |
| 18:45.53 | Mike123 | sec |
| 18:46.10 | BLZbubba | Mike123: find a dpkg & apt quick reference, there are many useful commands in there! |
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| 18:46.30 | Mike123 | :) k |
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| 18:47.18 | jhutchins_lt | pinkisntwell: I just checked and it looks like they disabled it in squeeze. Stupid. |
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| 18:47.55 | pinkisntwell | jhutchins_lt: great. so how do i restart now? |
| 18:47.58 | jhutchins_lt | pinkisntwell: You need to enable it in xorg.conf - I can check for the correct ssyntax. |
| 18:48.12 | pinkisntwell | jhutchins_lt: that would help me greatly |
| 18:48.59 | cahoot | !dontzap |
| 18:48.59 | dpkg | In Lenny, disable termination of your X server via Ctrl+Alt+Backspace by placing Option "DontZap" "on" within the ServerFlags section of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, see xorg.conf(5) or ask me about <xorg config lenny>. In Squeeze, zapping is disabled by default. "dpkg-reconfigure -pmedium keyboard-configuration" and answer Yes when asked if Ctrl+Alt+Backspace can terminate the X server; setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp |
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| 18:49.51 | babilen | The keyboard configuration will probably not work with gdm3 because of http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=590534 |
| 18:50.09 | babilen | curses gdm3 |
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| 18:50.35 | jhutchins_lt | pinkisntwell: Section "ServerFlags"\Option"DontZap""False" \EndSection |
| 18:50.36 | babilen | KDM seems to be the only usable login manager in wheezy/sid right now |
| 18:50.50 | pinkisntwell | i'm using kdm, luckily |
| 18:50.52 | babilen | !tell pinkisntwell -about xorg.conf.d |
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| 18:52.13 | babilen | pinkisntwell: ah, then use the keyboard-configuration apporach. You essentially want "terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" in the XKBOPTIONS option in /etc/default/keyboard (but try dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration) |
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| 18:53.48 | Mike123 | is there need to add any line in php.ini for ffmpeg maybe? |
| 18:53.58 | Mike123 | maybe its this what i m missing |
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| 18:55.14 | pinkisntwell | i just ran dpkg-reconfigure as you suggested however nothing seems to have changed in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 18:56.28 | ymasory | hi all. it would seem the default debian gnome is eating control+space so emacs doesn't get it. i disabled that trigger for ispell but emacs still doesn't get it. any ideas? |
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| 18:56.51 | babilen | pinkisntwell: It will not change something in your xorg.conf (why do you need/have one anyway?) but in /etc/default/keyboard |
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| 18:58.04 | ymasory | oh just kidding. you have to provide an alternate binding and then all is well with emacs |
| 18:58.23 | pinkisntwell | babilen: so which one will work? |
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| 18:59.06 | babilen | Both approaches should work, but I would follow the keyboard-configuration approach. If you want to configure it in the xorg.conf then ask dpkg about xorg.conf.d |
| 18:59.47 | Bushmills | "... via Ctrl+Alt+Backspace by placing Option "DontZap" "on" within the ServerFlags" .. seems to me the factoid should say "DontZap" "off" instead |
| 18:59.56 | babilen | pinkisntwell: But didn't you just configured it in the dialogue that comes up when you run "dpkg-reconfigure -pmediam keyboard-configuration" ? Is it not functioning as intended? |
| 19:00.03 | ``y7 | i have an intel core 2 duo CPU E8500.... which install of debian do i need for this cpu? |
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| 19:00.15 | babilen | Bushmills: Good catch |
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| 19:00.37 | pinkisntwell | babilen: i don't know, which one takes effect if you have both keyboard and xorg.conf? |
| 19:00.53 | bejelith | hi all, can someone help me with update-rc.d on squeeze? it seems not working... why? |
| 19:01.16 | babilen | Bushmills: fixed |
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| 19:02.15 | babilen | pinkisntwell: Why would you want both? And is it a problem if both (identical) settings take effect? |
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| 19:03.19 | babilen | bejelith: You have to run "insserv" afterwards |
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| 19:03.55 | bejelith | babilen: thanks u |
| 19:04.55 | babilen | bejelith: Debian is currently unsusre if there actually is an interface to disable/enable services. |
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| 19:05.39 | ``y7 | i have an intel core 2 duo CPU E8500 and i want to run a 64bit install, which install of debian do i need for this cpu? options: amd64 armel kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64 i386 ia64 mips mipsel powerpc sparc s390 source multi-arch |
| 19:06.15 | bejelith | is i read the article on dependencebooting |
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| 19:06.18 | bejelith | yes** |
| 19:06.29 | babilen | I am actually a bit surprised about the discussion on update-rc.d/service/invoke-rc.d/mv/... on d-d --- Is there really no recommended tool for *users*? |
| 19:06.38 | bejelith | how to release 'stable' being unsure !?! |
| 19:06.48 | BLZbubba | where is the best place to file a bug for Testing? vlc segfaults when trying to use VA-API |
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| 19:06.59 | babilen | !tell BLZbubba about reportbug |
| 19:07.14 | Bushmills | babilen: consider to install file-rc instead of sysv-rc, and use as tool a conventional text editor |
| 19:07.58 | babilen | Bushmills: Squeeze does not ship with file-rc by default, so that is hardly the *recommended* way |
| 19:08.20 | Bushmills | just a matter of aptitude install file-rc |
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| 19:08.25 | babilen | Bushmills: I don't really have a problem, but was a bit, well yes, shocked by the discussion on the d-d mailinglist |
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| 19:09.01 | babilen | Like: WTF? How didn't this come up a bit earlier? |
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| 19:12.24 | jhutchins_lt | ``y7: Consider a less annoying nic for quicker replies. You can install either i386 or amd64. |
| 19:12.37 | valdyn | babilen: recommended for *users* is probably uninstalling the service |
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| 19:13.43 | babilen | valdyn: seriously? |
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| 19:14.10 | valdyn | babilen: yes im serious, no i dont really know what anyone recommends |
| 19:14.28 | justin_ | valdyn: most people recommened removing services you don't want to run as well |
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| 19:15.11 | jhutchins_lt | I really want to know what idiot though some user might "accidentally" hit Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. |
| 19:15.18 | valdyn | ive just moved away or -x init scripts in the past, which i find perfectly viable, but in fact, i have no disabled service installed now anyway |
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| 19:15.37 | jhutchins_lt | ...and how he managed to persuade real computer users that it was possible. |
| 19:15.38 | valdyn | s/anyway/anywhere/ |
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| 19:16.19 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: its a security hole too? |
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| 19:16.21 | babilen | justin_: Well, "service" *should* be the tool of choice right now, but given that it does not implement enable/disable it is not a viable one (right now). update-rc.d is "intended to be a backend for the 'service' command." |
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| 19:17.24 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: Not in any situation where an administrator wouldn't know how to manually disable it. |
| 19:17.26 | justin_ | babilen: service is like invoke-rc.d |
| 19:17.29 | babilen | valdyn: So, you are in the camp of: "mv" is the tool to handle services as well? I don't think that's really a good choice. (Although it works and actually does what is indended) |
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| 19:17.56 | justin_ | babilen: what do you mean by handle? |
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| 19:18.01 | babilen | justin_: invoke-rc.d is "a way for *maintainer scripts* to manage init scripts" |
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| 19:18.46 | justin_ | babilen: is is not ONLY a way for maintainer scripts to manage init scripts |
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| 19:18.51 | babilen | justin_: start/stop/enable/disable services == handle services. And I am not talking about manually creating symlinks (S/K) here, but about a real (and easy to use) interface |
| 19:19.14 | justin_ | babilen: gnome comes with a pointy clicky service GUI, use that? |
| 19:19.23 | babilen | justin_: That is somehow applied in the quoted message. Have you read the discussion on d-d? |
| 19:19.32 | justin_ | no |
| 19:19.40 | justin_ | doesn't have issues starting and stopping services |
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| 19:20.05 | babilen | justin_: Well, I am talking about that discussion. *I* know how to deal with it and can use the tools. (Although I am not *meant* to use them apparently) |
| 19:20.46 | babilen | justin_: How do you start/stop or, more importantly (as that's the point of the discussion) enable/disable them? |
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| 19:21.30 | justin_ | babilen: /etc/init.d/foo stop |
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| 19:21.54 | jhutchins_lt | Debian has never really embraced the SysV initscript system. |
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| 19:22.04 | babilen | sure, or use "service" as what we are meant to do .... but how to enable/disable them? |
| 19:22.09 | jhutchins_lt | chkconfig is available as a script though. |
| 19:22.17 | justin_ | babilen: I uninstall the package providing the service |
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| 19:22.51 | jhutchins_lt | justin_: What if you want to run it manually? Or through xinetd? |
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| 19:23.07 | justin_ | I don't do such things |
| 19:23.14 | jhutchins_lt | justin_: What if it does something unpleasant if started at boot, but can be safely started after the system is up? |
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| 19:23.24 | babilen | ok |
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| 19:23.30 | jhutchins_lt | justin_: What if you want to actually be in control of your own system? |
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| 19:23.36 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: its not up to debian or any distro to care for corner cases really |
| 19:23.36 | justin_ | I am in control of my systems |
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| 19:23.56 | justin_ | I manage almost everything with puppet anyway, I don't even login to most machines anymore |
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| 19:23.58 | babilen | Well, I am not trying to really find a solution here ... I was just a bit shocked by the discussion on the ML and, well, am not sure what to recommend in here |
| 19:23.59 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: except in providing a way, but they dont need to provide a very easy way |
| 19:24.02 | Rajko | hey guys i upgraded to squeeze |
| 19:24.04 | Rajko | and now mysql isnt starting |
| 19:24.16 | justin_ | sounds like you are trying to find a problem that doesn't exist |
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| 19:25.00 | jhutchins_lt | Actually, both DE's offer a configuration panel to enable/disable services. |
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| 19:25.31 | Bushmills | consider to put that script in /usr/local/(s)bin, then symlink actions like start stop reload restart to that script |
| 19:25.37 | valdyn | babilen: whenever i disabled serices i chmod -x or "mv script script.disabled", that works beatifully from my pov, but is not recommended |
| 19:25.48 | Bushmills | result: start service, stop service , etc |
| 19:26.01 | sh_sh | is there a possibility to download a package with apt-get that is already installed without installing it (-d) |
| 19:26.24 | valdyn | sh_sh: aptitude -d reinstall ? tried? |
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| 19:26.41 | justin_ | -d --reinstall works with apt-get at least |
| 19:26.48 | justin_ | or use debget |
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| 19:26.57 | jhutchins_lt | chkconfig <service> off |
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| 19:27.57 | Bushmills | oh, "that script" would be http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1299266674966492168d.png :) |
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| 19:28.10 | yonahw_ | jhutchins_lt: thank you for your assistance yesterday. I ended up running the install again from the beginning and am up and running :) |
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| 19:29.12 | jhutchins_lt | yonahw_: Glad to have you aboard! |
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| 19:31.12 | sh_sh | justin_ : --reinstall does not download the package afaik |
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| 19:36.02 | \3TATUK | Does anyone know how to deal with the following message I'm getting from the Description of update -> Changes section in Update Manager?: 'Downloading list of changes failed.' |
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| 19:36.27 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
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| 19:37.34 | tharkun | Gentlemen where do i download the multiple hashes for the squeeze netinst image? |
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| 19:39.17 | saebbi | hi. i installed a C library from the repositories. i don't usually code in C. how can i include the library? |
| 19:39.25 | \3TATUK | tharkun: Which architecture? |
| 19:39.57 | \3TATUK | saebbi: /join ##c |
| 19:40.04 | amphi | saebbi: you mean link to it? -lname if it's called libname |
| 19:40.19 | saebbi | amphi, use it in my C source code |
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| 19:40.51 | amphi | saebbi: see what \3TATUK said above |
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| 19:41.01 | saebbi | yea. thanks |
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| 19:42.32 | \3TATUK | tharkun: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.0/ |
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| 19:47.13 | tharkun | \3TATUK: thanks |
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| 20:03.18 | \3TATUK | Does anyone know how to deal with the following message I'm getting from the Description of update -> Changes section in Update Manager?: 'Downloading list of changes failed.' |
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| 20:04.34 | homie | err, my eaten-ram is still at 2.1G though the compile is over, and it seems something never releases some parts |
| 20:04.47 | justin_ | !+free ram |
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| 20:04.47 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 20:04.47 | homie | oh man |
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| 20:06.40 | pickcoder | I'm getting an error about ip_set module not being found when trying to use ipset on Lenny. Is that in a separate package from ipset or is it called something other than ip_set? |
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| 20:07.32 | thewanderer1 | guys, where is a mapping of Debian release number => code name? |
| 20:07.46 | pickcoder | nevermind.. footnote says kernel patch required.. |
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| 20:08.06 | themill | dpkg: tell thewanderer1 about release history |
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| 20:08.41 | thewanderer1 | thanks themill! |
| 20:08.48 | pickcoder | now.. where the heck do I find the patch |
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| 20:12.02 | kantor | hello |
| 20:12.04 | kantor | why it is not possible in Linux to sync the STDOUT from it's file descriptor ? this is not working: fsync (STDOUT); |
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| 20:13.51 | justin_ | kantor: probably because stdout is not a file |
| 20:13.55 | justin_ | kantor: maybe you are thinking of fflush? |
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| 20:15.26 | kantor | justin_, but it is strange, I mean that streams are a higher level abstractization of file descriptors, and if you can use fflush, than why not fsync also on STDOUT ? |
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| 20:16.03 | justin_ | kantor: because stdout can be flushed, but there is nothing to sync it to |
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| 20:16.46 | pickcoder | wth.. the patch-o-matic referred to in the ipset package is no longer maintained |
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| 20:17.38 | kantor | justin_, so syncing refers strictly to "physical" files, or drives . . . right ? |
| 20:17.44 | justin_ | kantor: sure |
| 20:18.03 | Python1320 | Remote server sends SYN to me, but I send SYNACK through different IF. I have eth0 and ppp0. eth0 is marked as default gateway.ppp0 is not marked as any default gateway. Is there a way to send response to where it came from? |
| 20:18.10 | kantor | ko thanks ;-) justin_ |
| 20:18.18 | kantor | bye |
| 20:18.27 | justin_ | Python1320: the lartc guide covers that sort of thing |
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| 20:21.39 | FriarLaurence | hi, my external screen flickers every 20 seconds. is there anything i can do? this occured with the latest version of testing and now i upgraded to experimental but nothing changed. i use the driver radeon. everything worked a month ago. |
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| 20:22.09 | pickcoder | ok.. show how do I get ipset working on Lenny? |
| 20:22.16 | pickcoder | s/show/so |
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| 20:25.10 | \3TATUK | Does anyone know how to deal with the following message I'm getting from the Description of update -> Changes section in Update Manager?: 'Downloading list of changes failed.' |
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| 20:27.25 | pickcoder | answer: compile and install netfilter_extensions_source |
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| 20:31.54 | pinkisntwell | how do i change my password |
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| 20:31.56 | pinkisntwell | ? |
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| 20:32.11 | {Fah-Q} | magnets. or the passwd command |
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| 20:32.43 | l0st-soul | magnets :) |
| 20:32.49 | {Fah-Q} | although, if you use magnets it's more secure. Even you will not know it. |
| 20:33.43 | pinkisntwell | {Fah-Q}: passwd doesn't let me choose a blank or a single character password. is that possible? |
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| 20:34.21 | {Fah-Q} | pinkisntwell: i can't understand why you would want an account with no password. Are you going for a security worst practices record or something? |
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| 20:36.14 | pinkisntwell | {Fah-Q}: no, i just want it that way. it's my computer, right? i have nothing to hide here. a password doesn't provide any security anyway, if someone steals my computer he doesn't need my password to access my files. |
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| 20:36.59 | {Fah-Q} | pinkisntwell: Edit the /etc/passwd file and remove the first "x" after the username. Now that user can get in with no password. |
| 20:37.25 | {Fah-Q} | the passwd file format is colon separated |
| 20:37.35 | {Fah-Q} | so the :x: should go bye bye |
| 20:37.37 | {Fah-Q} | That said |
| 20:37.43 | {Fah-Q} | you can also setup gdm to auto login users |
| 20:37.52 | valdyn | pinkisntwell: you need those passwords not to protect against local attackers like youre imagining |
| 20:37.56 | {Fah-Q} | which is probably a better thing to do |
| 20:38.10 | valdyn | pinkisntwell: but to protect from remote logins |
| 20:38.15 | {Fah-Q} | You are going to have a bitch of a time with sudo tho. |
| 20:38.26 | pinkisntwell | {Fah-Q}: why? |
| 20:38.33 | {Fah-Q} | Personally, I wouldn't do things like that. |
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| 20:38.54 | {Fah-Q} | You're right. I take it back. You can disable passwords there too |
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| 20:39.08 | {Fah-Q} | Actually, if you just set your uid to 0 you wont even need sudo |
| 20:39.14 | {Fah-Q} | why complicate sytax of commands? |
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| 20:39.34 | {Fah-Q} | uid 0 will fix the living hell out of it |
| 20:39.37 | valdyn | or why use a doorlock when you can just remove the door |
| 20:39.52 | {Fah-Q} | doors are for noobs |
| 20:40.13 | FriarLaurence | hi, my external screen flickers every 20 seconds. is there anything i can do? this occured with the latest version of testing and now i upgraded to experimental but nothing changed. i use the driver radeon. everything worked a month ago. |
| 20:40.22 | Texou | hi |
| 20:40.28 | valdyn | {Fah-Q}: if you were not a nooob then you would not set guessable passwords |
| 20:40.31 | thewanderer1 | pinkisntwell: probably the right way to go about this is not changing passwords, but changing the rules of logging on in the first place - edit PAM config to admit your user account without a password |
| 20:40.52 | {Fah-Q} | valdyn: huh? |
| 20:40.55 | Texou | I try migratiog lenny to squeeze, but it happens hardly for Evolution. I enter Evolution and I get: http://pastebin.com/kUUPtJCz |
| 20:41.15 | {Fah-Q} | valdyn: the password in that case isn't so much guessable as it is absent. |
| 20:41.32 | valdyn | {Fah-Q}: thats pretty easy to guess |
| 20:41.33 | thewanderer1 | pinkisntwell: also, you should only allow local passwordless logins by implementing this (in)security only for things like "login" and gdm/kdm/xdm/whateverloginmanager |
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| 20:41.48 | {Fah-Q} | valdyn: well, it wasnt MY idea. I just said how to do it. |
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| 20:42.11 | valdyn | {Fah-Q}: oh, sorry then |
| 20:42.20 | {Fah-Q} | haha, all good. |
| 20:42.33 | {Fah-Q} | I just make bash suid and use strong magnets for everything else |
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| 20:49.23 | eier | hello |
| 20:49.28 | eier | how can i change the path |
| 20:49.34 | eier | the file is /home/penis |
| 20:49.37 | eier | how can i get |
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| 20:49.57 | ike | eier: ? cd ? |
| 20:50.11 | ike | I don't understand the question. |
| 20:50.46 | eier | the file is /home/penis/pussy |
| 20:50.52 | eier | but how can i get ?? |
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| 20:51.14 | FriarLaurence | eier: try this: $ make love |
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| 20:51.32 | ike | That was odd. |
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| 20:51.53 | FriarLaurence | eier: and then: cat /home/arschritze/ficken |
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| 21:01.33 | sharp15 | what is the trick to installing adobe's flash plugin on debian, instead of gnash? |
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| 21:03.32 | \3TATUK | sharp15: Use the non-free repository... Package name is flashplugin-nonfree. |
| 21:04.40 | sharp15 | \3TATUK: i saw that but despite adding 'non-free' to the end of a repository line in sources.lst I still don't have that package. |
| 21:05.04 | sharp15 | now i have it. sorry. |
| 21:06.01 | sharp15 | thanks. |
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| 21:07.38 | Rajko | hey gus what listens on tcp and udp 111 |
| 21:08.40 | nkuttler | Rajko: see /etc/services for the defaults |
| 21:08.52 | Rajko | says sunrpc |
| 21:08.59 | Rajko | listenng on *:sunrpc tcp and udp |
| 21:10.19 | l0st-soul | if its on your box, fuser 111/tcp to find out the pid of the program |
| 21:10.46 | {Fah-Q} | or run netstat -pn and look. |
| 21:10.49 | Rajko | sbin/portmap |
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| 21:11.24 | {Fah-Q} | yeah, that's related to nfs |
| 21:11.34 | Rajko | i dont want it |
| 21:11.39 | Rajko | also dont want :talk and :ntalk |
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| 21:12.26 | {Fah-Q} | ok, then you can remove them. If you dont use them, their absence will be fine. |
| 21:13.06 | Rajko | talk and ntalk are in /etc/inetd.conf |
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| 21:13.42 | Rajko | can i just remove inetd ? whats its package |
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| 21:14.32 | {Fah-Q} | dpkg -l |grep inetd |
| 21:14.32 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep inetd |
| 21:14.51 | {Fah-Q} | or you can dpkg -S /path/to/file and see what package it is in. |
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| 21:15.14 | {Fah-Q} | the man page says things about how to use it. |
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| 21:25.03 | karlpinc | Rajko: It's probably a bad idea to remove inetd. |
| 21:25.13 | Rajko | no its not |
| 21:25.15 | Rajko | and i did |
| 21:25.17 | Rajko | everything's fine |
| 21:25.54 | karlpinc | Rajko: You only find out when there's a service that somebody tries to use and it's missing. |
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| 21:26.09 | Rajko | what service |
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| 21:26.14 | Rajko | it was only managing talk and ntalk |
| 21:26.18 | Rajko | both of which i dont want |
| 21:27.13 | karlpinc | Rajko: You may find something wants to use inetd in the future. Anway, I'd try using the alternatives system and choose an alternative that can be disabled. (How is it your running inetd and not xinetd?) |
| 21:27.41 | Rajko | no clue |
| 21:27.42 | Rajko | dont care |
| 21:27.43 | {Fah-Q} | if you ask for somethign that needs inetd in the future, it'll get pulled back in |
| 21:27.51 | {Fah-Q} | in the mean time, it doesn't matter. |
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| 21:28.10 | {Fah-Q} | FWIW I don't have inetd installed either. It's fine. |
| 21:28.22 | karlpinc | {Fah-Q}: Right, and when it gets pulled back in, talk will be back. |
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| 21:28.34 | Rajko | oh no i uninstalled talk |
| 21:28.47 | {Fah-Q} | nope |
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| 21:28.53 | {Fah-Q} | inetd doesn't depend on talk |
| 21:28.56 | {Fah-Q} | it's the inverse |
| 21:29.02 | karlpinc | Rajko: Nothing wrong with getting rid of talk. |
| 21:29.10 | Rajko | got rid of talk as well |
| 21:29.12 | Rajko | and inetd |
| 21:29.14 | Rajko | dont need eiter |
| 21:29.28 | phsi | Hmm, apt wants to upgrade to same-version/same-release packages of official packages that I rebuilt, how can I fix that? I don't want to increase priority via pinning. |
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| 21:29.57 | dvs | phsi: Increase the version number |
| 21:30.01 | phsi | I also don't want to increase the release/version :P |
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| 21:30.10 | {Fah-Q} | phsi: dont upgrade. |
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| 21:30.27 | dvs | then hold the package |
| 21:30.28 | phsi | It won't tell me about regular upgrades then. |
| 21:30.33 | Zambezi | Anyone having problems with clive? Suddenly it stopped working. Using Squeeze. Error message: error: no match: `(?-xism:&video_id=(.*?)&)' |
| 21:30.49 | karlpinc | phsi: There's an additional debian-version-specific component that can be changed. (But holding the package sounds right.) |
| 21:31.15 | phsi | Basically, why does it even ask me? It's the same version AND release AND an official package, just rebuilt using debian internals |
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| 21:31.39 | karlpinc | Rajko: You may find that the ident service is useful for authenticating to irc. YMMV. |
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| 21:32.07 | phsi | Won't holding block upgrades invoked by version increments? |
| 21:32.21 | karlpinc | phsi: Isn't that what you want? |
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| 21:32.26 | dvs | yes, so the best option is to increase the version number. |
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| 21:32.30 | Rajko | karlpinc, i dont irc on server |
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| 21:33.01 | phsi | that seems like a stupid requirement |
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| 21:33.50 | Xiol | I'm having trouble getting Dokuwiki working, keep getting PHP errors, the TLDR of which is preg_replace() compilation failed /usr/share/dokuwiki/inc/utf8.php on line 422... Any ideas? I'm stumped. |
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| 21:34.11 | wad | Yesterday my fileserver (running debian) had two drives in the RAID5 simultaneously fail out. So of course the RAID stopped. I'm thinking of trying to mark them non-faulty, and put them back in, so that I can recover some data from the RAID. Any better ideas? |
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| 21:34.17 | phsi | i'm going to file a bug against this when it's impossible to pull of without gimmicky stuff |
| 21:34.27 | localtoast | Where do I complain to Debian Backports? |
| 21:34.46 | dimir_ | localtoast: LULz nice nick |
| 21:34.55 | streuner | localtoast: what for? |
| 21:35.02 | localtoast | PACKAGES |
| 21:35.11 | localtoast | NEED MOAR PACKAGES (specifically vala) |
| 21:35.36 | {Fah-Q} | wad: restore from proper backups? |
| 21:35.37 | streuner | just upload them then :-) |
| 21:35.52 | localtoast | but I can't package to save lives, I've tried several times |
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| 21:36.37 | streuner | a few DDs just make backports, if you want some, you need to make it then |
| 21:36.51 | wad | {Fah-Q}, The reason I use RAID5 is so that I can withstand a drive failure. I can't backup 6TB of data. Of course, when two drives die at the same time... makes me want to use RAID6! |
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| 21:37.27 | {Fah-Q} | wad: raid is not a backup |
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| 21:41.45 | Famic | hi |
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| 21:43.05 | streuner | localtoast: Debian just works if everybody helps... |
| 21:43.09 | Xiol | {Fah-Q}: Not all of us can afford to have our own personal tape backups. |
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| 21:44.07 | Famic | I installed etherpad on my lenny box... I couldn't find the package in my repositories, so I installed it manually, and I have to start it from /path/to/etherpad/trunk/etherpad by running bin/run-local.sh. Is it possible to have this script handled by /etc/init.d ? |
| 21:44.07 | {Fah-Q} | Xiol: if the data isn't worth backing up, fine. If it is, there are solutions out there. Using raid as a backup strategy is a bad idea discussed to death. |
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| 21:45.15 | \3TATUK | Does anyone know how to deal with the following message I'm getting from the Description of update -> Changes section in Update Manager?: 'Downloading list of changes failed.' |
| 21:45.18 | karlpinc | !tell Famic about stow |
| 21:45.26 | superstraw | hheh |
| 21:45.40 | {Fah-Q} | Xiol: The question isn't if you can afford to. The question is if you can afford not to. What if there's a flood, fire or explosion. This is basic DR stuff. |
| 21:45.53 | karlpinc | Xiol: A mere power surge. |
| 21:45.55 | wad | Is there a way to do something like fsck on a partition that belongs to a RAID5? I'd like to try and recover one or both of the failed drives, and get md1 up and running again, so I can pull some data off of it. |
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| 21:46.02 | Famic | karlpinc: you sure this was destined to me ? |
| 21:46.28 | superstraw | !tell superstraw about stow |
| 21:46.33 | karlpinc | Famic: Yes. You installed manually. Stow is a better solution. Otherwise, yes you can run it from inetd |
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| 21:46.49 | karlpinc | !tell superstraw about selftell |
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| 21:47.02 | superstraw | ah ty |
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| 21:48.02 | Famic | well, that was not a "configure/make/make install" kind of install (unfortunately!) |
| 21:48.23 | karlpinc | wad: Not really. You can run badblocks on it to see what's failing or smartmontools for hardware diagnostics. But recovery of raid5 does not sound feasible. However, depending on what's wrong you could fix a drive. I've successfuly replaced a drive's board that had a fried power regulator. |
| 21:48.49 | wad | karlpinc, thanks. I'll check into some of those tools. |
| 21:48.50 | Famic | that thing depends on scala, sun's java, and many other things. But that's not really releavant. Point is, I'd like to be able to handle a .sh script from init.d. Any pointers ? |
| 21:49.13 | karlpinc | wad: Be very careful. The best thing to do with a failed drive is not to touch it until you're getting data off it. |
| 21:49.46 | {Fah-Q} | Famic: look at the other shell scripts in init.d? Write one with a simple case statement and drop it in? init.d is pretty basic stuff. Just read the scripts, you'll get it. |
| 21:49.53 | wad | I know. First thing I did when I got alerted that two drives had simultaneously failed out was power down the box. |
| 21:50.00 | karlpinc | !tell Famic about debian-policy |
| 21:50.23 | karlpinc | Famic: Rats. The debian policy manual has info for packagers on how to write a init.d script. |
| 21:50.25 | wad | I've got a spare 2TB drive... should I use dd to make a copy of one of the failed drives, just in case? |
| 21:50.40 | Rajko | is there a way to install gcc 4.6 on squeeze |
| 21:50.52 | karlpinc | wad: If you can do that it should drop in as a replacement. But if the drive is really dead.... |
| 21:50.52 | streuner | judd, versions gcc |
| 21:50.54 | judd | Package gcc on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; sid: 4:4.4.5-2; wheezy: 4:4.4.5-2; experimental: 4:4.5.1-1exp1 |
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| 21:50.54 | phsi | wad: go raid6 :P |
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| 21:51.04 | Famic | {Fah-Q}: I found a skeleton file, but I don't really "speak" bash and it doesn't sem that easy here |
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| 21:51.19 | streuner | Rajko: why do you need 4.6? |
| 21:51.19 | wad | karlpinc, it's TWO drives that failed. At the same time. What god did I offend to deserve this?!? |
| 21:51.28 | karlpinc | wad: Backups are key. |
| 21:51.34 | Rajko | streuner, 0x features |
| 21:51.49 | wad | I can't back up 6TB of video. :( |
| 21:51.56 | karlpinc | wad: How do you know they're dead? |
| 21:51.58 | streuner | Rajko: well,its not even in exerimental... |
| 21:52.39 | wad | karlpinc, well, the RAID stopped, and sent me email, indicating the sdc1 and sdd1 both failed out. Those partitions are currently marked faulty. |
| 21:52.45 | ansgar | streuner: It is. |
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| 21:53.07 | karlpinc | wad: Sure you can back up 6 TB of video. You just need 6TB of space on your backup server. Use rsnapshot or other rsync based stuff to do it. |
| 21:53.09 | {Fah-Q} | wad: you can back it up. 6tb isn't much data when you get down to it. Stop saying it can't be done. |
| 21:53.41 | wad | I'm a bit suspicious... is it common to have two simultaneous head crashes? I'm thinking maybe I can just tell them that they are not faulty, then start up the RAID again.... |
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| 21:54.04 | {Fah-Q} | there are companies out there who specialize in helping businesses get a robust backup strategy implemented. You should evaluate your options. |
| 21:54.13 | karlpinc | wad: It's not that odd to have raid5 setups fail completely because they all use the same batch of the same drive from the same source. |
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| 21:54.36 | {Fah-Q} | because otherwise... this is going to happen again |
| 21:54.37 | wad | <--------- non-rich |
| 21:54.44 | wad | I know. |
| 21:54.53 | karlpinc | wad: Start by dd-ing one drive to a spare. On another box with a known good power supply that's not loaded. |
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| 21:54.55 | {Fah-Q} | well, best of luck |
| 21:54.55 | wad | I'll use RAID6 next time. |
| 21:54.56 | kantor | hello |
| 21:54.59 | lwithers | wad: sorry to hear about that, unfortunately RAID really isn't a replacement for backups as people have indicated. If you used several of the same model of disk and started them at the same time you do increase the likelihood of two drives failing at almost the same time |
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| 21:55.48 | karlpinc | wad: But examine the drives for physical problems with the boards. If they're fried then get a replacment and see if you can recesicate (ugh, spelling) them. |
| 21:55.59 | wad | Okay okay, I got it. Don't use RAID5 for backups. :) |
| 21:56.27 | karlpinc | wad: Don't use any raid for backups. Keep a remote copy of a backup for when something really bad happens. |
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| 21:56.43 | kantor | if /dev/mem is actually your physical memory map, than why is that if I create a program with a pattern in a global variable and run it, I can not find that pattern in the /dev/mem device ? |
| 21:56.44 | wad | These are WD 2TB green drives. Are they prone to dying? I purchased a total of five of them, and so far, four of them have died. |
| 21:57.12 | sontek | Anyone familiar with installin debian on a macbook? I'm moving from arch to debian and just installed and grub must not have worked because it told me it couldn't boot |
| 21:57.13 | dvs | panics because he has the same drives |
| 21:57.15 | karlpinc | wad: Dunno. Sounds like it. Do you have adequate cooling? |
| 21:57.21 | sontek | so now i'm sitting in the rescue mode tryin to figure out what I need to do |
| 21:57.22 | lwithers | RAID is good for when you want to keep a system running indefinitely and cope with the odd disk failure. However it doesn't protect you against things like physical damage to the machine which affects all disks, operator error, or system bugs causing filesystem corruption. |
| 21:57.28 | wad | Seven freaking fans in the case. 750-watt power supply. |
| 21:57.29 | Rajko | 4.6 is in experimntal ? |
| 21:57.29 | sontek | I tried runnin gptsync from refit |
| 21:57.31 | karlpinc | sontek: There's a macbook page on the wiki. |
| 21:57.36 | wad | Built it myself, to be a fileserver. |
| 21:57.40 | Rajko | if so how do i add experimental |
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| 21:58.06 | karlpinc | Rajko: You could try backporting from sid yourself. |
| 21:58.09 | karlpinc | !tell Rajko about ssb |
| 21:58.31 | wad | If you can't tell, this is rather aggravating. I worked hard to be sure that the server would be reasonably fault-tolerant. I didn't anticipate losing two drives simultaneously. *sigh* |
| 21:58.49 | lwithers | kantor: I could be wrong but I don't believe /dev/mem allows you to access arbitrary bits of RAM⦠I think the kernel very strictly controls what you can do with it. You could try /dev/kmem as root, but I'd read the kernel source to be sure of what you're getting. |
| 21:59.01 | sontek | karlpinc: yeah, I saw that but it seemed to be out dated |
| 21:59.18 | karlpinc | wad: I went through something similar. Oh, I don't need to back _that_ up. I won't really care if it's gone. Then it died, and I cared. |
| 21:59.20 | sontek | karlpinc: it discussed 2.6.22 and the system i just installed is 2.6.32 |
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| 21:59.55 | karlpinc | wad: Power problems can also do bad things to multiple components. |
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| 22:00.00 | wad | karlpinc, that's where I am now. This *is* the backup box, for my real server. Thing is, I have a bunch of home videos on it, that I don't want to lose. And a bunch of other good stuff that's hard to replace. |
| 22:00.04 | lwithers | wad: yeah, it does suck :( unfortunately it's very hard to build a truly robust system and even if you do you have to worry about fire, theft, etc. |
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| 22:00.58 | karlpinc | sontek: Would the efi related stuff go out of date? I don't know. |
| 22:00.59 | lwithers | wad: hard experience has taught me: do a full backup of everything every day. I use rsync so there is no special software required to restore; it's just a plain simple file copy. The simpler the solution the better when things do go wrong |
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| 22:01.18 | localtoast | roomba with a shotgun prevent theft |
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| 22:01.22 | wad | I actually use RAID-1 to backup my main server. It has two internal 250GB drives, mirrored. To make a backup, I add a third one via USB, and let it sync, so now I have a 3-way mirror. Then I unplug it and put it in a fireproof safe. I copies the MBR to it, so it's even bootable. |
| 22:01.27 | localtoast | shoot anyone it sees |
| 22:01.27 | sontek | karlpinc: I'm not sure, I didn't have to do anything special when I installed arch, just installed grub to the disk and refit did the rest |
| 22:01.34 | lwithers | localtoast: until it shoots the server! |
| 22:01.37 | karlpinc | wad: I made sure to backup the os/etc of my backup box on a regular box. And now everything is backed up. (Which means more than one copy in case something gets deleted and I don't find out for some time.) |
| 22:01.52 | localtoast | as long as you run it in a game boy it will be fine |
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| 22:02.11 | lwithers | wad: that's good, but it requires motivation. best to have something automatic, at least if you're like me |
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| 22:03.19 | Rajko | karlpinc, dpkg msg isnt very clear |
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| 22:03.32 | wad | So the RAID has sda1, sdb1, sdc1, and sdd1. The last two are "faulty". I've got two chances to get one of them happy, to get my RAID going again. Going to try some tools on sdc1 first. |
| 22:03.33 | karlpinc | wad: I need something automatic too. And you need more than one copy if you've any sort of backup system. This is why the rsync options are the sane choice. They save space by using hardlinks to unchanged files. |
| 22:03.41 | Rajko | its not in debian-backports, only experimental |
| 22:03.52 | karlpinc | Rajko: I've never done it so can't help. |
| 22:04.11 | karlpinc | Rajko: I just know that people have been pointed to that factoid. |
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| 22:04.23 | Rajko | Add ONLY a <deb-src> line for sid to /etc/apt/sources.list how |
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| 22:04.36 | Rajko | enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) i think i already did this |
| 22:04.39 | karlpinc | Rajko: You know what sources.list looks like/does? |
| 22:04.41 | Rajko | how do i <see bdo> |
| 22:04.43 | Rajko | yes i do |
| 22:04.48 | lwithers | the --backup option to rsync is pretty handy too; basically you only pay the space for each file once, but you can keep years worth of changes and be able to restore it with no special tools |
| 22:04.49 | Rajko | i dont have the lnk for sid etc |
| 22:05.08 | karlpinc | Rajko: <see bdo> means in irc type "/msg dpkg bdo" to get the factoid. |
| 22:06.08 | karlpinc | Rajko: You just copy another line and change the release name to sid, but be sure it's _only_ a deb-src line. If you get sid packages installed your box will break. |
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| 22:06.18 | karlpinc | s/packages/binaries/ |
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| 22:07.02 | sontek | karlpinc: got it working, I just went into rescue and re-installed grub to sda3 |
| 22:07.11 | Rajko | so deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free |
| 22:07.18 | karlpinc | lwithers: The slight trick is to have a high inode to block ratio (I always just do 1-1) to ensure you don't run out of inodes.) |
| 22:07.33 | karlpinc | sontek: You're running squeeze, right? |
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| 22:08.00 | karlpinc | Rajko: That looks right to me. I guess it'll complain if it's wrong. |
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| 22:08.18 | sontek | karlpinc: yeah |
| 22:08.34 | karlpinc | sontek: You should probably report a bug. I don't think it's too late to get some stuff fixed for squeeze. |
| 22:08.52 | karlpinc | sontek: IIRC the package name to report against is debian-installer. |
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| 22:09.27 | karlpinc | sontek: There is also a #debian-boot channel (I think only on irc.debian.org) where the installer people hang out. They could help with what to report. |
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| 22:09.34 | DeBi-an | hi all |
| 22:09.46 | Rajko | Unable to find the source package for "g++-4.6". |
| 22:09.57 | karlpinc | ,versions g++ |
| 22:09.58 | judd | Package g++ on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; sid: 4:4.4.5-2; wheezy: 4:4.4.5-2; experimental: 4:4.5.1-1exp1 |
| 22:10.12 | karlpinc | Rajko: It's not there. |
| 22:10.14 | DeBi-an | can anyone tem me what kernel version last debian version use? |
| 22:10.30 | karlpinc | DeBi-an: See the line above your question. |
| 22:10.30 | Rajko | Unable to find the source package for "gcc-4.6". |
| 22:10.40 | Rajko | wait, sid < experimental |
| 22:10.44 | Rajko | so how do i add experiental |
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| 22:11.22 | DeBi-an | karlpinc: is not the same as yours am sure.. |
| 22:11.31 | karlpinc | Rajko: Probably by using the word "experimental" instead of sid. But I'm not sure. man sources.list probably says. (Or something that names the release.) |
| 22:11.40 | DeBi-an | I cannot read nothing related |
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| 22:12.00 | DeBi-an | just tell me the version.. is not so dificult ah ? |
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| 22:12.09 | karlpinc | ,versions kernels |
| 22:12.10 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'kernels' was found in i386. |
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| 22:12.21 | DeBi-an | of x64_x86 |
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| 22:12.26 | karlpinc | ,versions kernel |
| 22:12.27 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'kernel' was found in i386. |
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| 22:12.38 | DeBi-an | ,kernel |
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| 22:12.39 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.38-rc6-686 (2.6.38~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.37-2-686 (2.6.37-2); wheezy: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 22:12.54 | karlpinc | DeBi-an: There you go. |
| 22:13.24 | DeBi-an | :~/ can`t use it |
| 22:13.28 | DeBi-an | ok thank u |
| 22:13.39 | Rajko | karlpinc, any way to get 4.5.2 atleast ? which is stable on gcc.org |
| 22:13.43 | karlpinc | DeBi-an: If you told us what your problem is we might be able to help. |
| 22:13.55 | karlpinc | !tell Rajko about uupdate |
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| 22:14.25 | DeBi-an | karlpinc: rtl8192se wireless card. realtek |
| 22:14.26 | karlpinc | Rajko: That's the only factoid I know. That and <stow>, which is another choice. |
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| 22:15.10 | Rajko | bah, forget it then |
| 22:16.17 | karlpinc | DeBi-an: That's a statement. Not a problem. |
| 22:16.48 | DeBi-an | karlpinc: is a problem if not reconized |
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| 22:18.44 | dvs | DeBi-an: The closest we have is http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
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| 22:20.45 | DeBi-an | karlpinc: the far as I know only for kernel 2.6.33.x and up, reconize this model, and few distros have their firmware and drivers patched |
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| 22:20.51 | DeBi-an | dvs |
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| 22:21.26 | dvs | DeBi-an: You can try the kernel in sid |
| 22:21.39 | DeBi-an | 22:10 < karlpinc> Rajko: It's not there. |
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| 22:21.53 | DeBi-an | ops |
| 22:22.07 | DeBi-an | ,kernel |
| 22:22.09 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.38-rc6-686 (2.6.38~rc6-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.37-2-686 (2.6.37-2); wheezy: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-30); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-30~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-26lenny2) |
| 22:22.09 | babilen | DeBi-an: Debian does indeed patch its kernels and backport selected drivers |
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| 22:22.30 | babilen | would recommend the .38 kernel from xperimental over the .37 in sid |
| 22:22.52 | dvs | poor .37 kernel |
| 22:22.58 | dvs | nobody like it |
| 22:23.05 | DeBi-an | hmm 2.6.37 have some problems with my ethercard.. |
| 22:23.16 | DeBi-an | and know i see (nobody like it) |
| 22:23.21 | DeBi-an | hehe why? |
| 22:23.29 | dvs | nfs server doesn't work |
| 22:23.35 | DeBi-an | and more.. |
| 22:24.09 | DeBi-an | do you recommend compile kernel by my own? |
| 22:24.29 | jeremy_passarell | How come Debian does not focus on eye-candy? |
| 22:24.35 | babilen | not necessary, but you *could* do it. I don't see why you would want to do that though |
| 22:24.42 | babilen | jeremy_passarell: why should it? |
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| 22:24.59 | dvs | Apple has that market cornered |
| 22:25.10 | babilen | jeremy_passarell: eye candy is irrelevant |
| 22:25.18 | localtoast | debian is not an eye candy distro |
| 22:25.26 | localtoast | debian is designed to be reliable, secure, and fast |
| 22:25.38 | localtoast | If you hate all of those, use ubuntu |
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| 22:25.42 | babilen | do we really want to have this discussion? |
| 22:25.51 | streuner | you prolly dont use OSX then :-) |
| 22:25.58 | babilen | yes, i don't |
| 22:26.06 | streuner | its crap |
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| 22:26.14 | DeBi-an | lol . ubuntu have 80% crashes |
| 22:26.18 | jeremy_passarell | well, they could at least include some eye candy to make people want to use it |
| 22:26.44 | dvs | jeremy_passarell: people use Debian because it's stable. |
| 22:26.48 | babilen | jeremy_passarell: It does include all the eye candy you want. Just install/configure it. What are you missing in particular? |
| 22:26.48 | streuner | localtoast: Debian ist just easy vs. other distros |
| 22:27.19 | jeremy_passarell | Right |
| 22:27.28 | localtoast | debian is a server distro primarily on the most part |
| 22:27.30 | localtoast | it |
| 22:27.36 | babilen | localtoast: myth |
| 22:27.52 | localtoast | Well it makes a great server distro though ;) |
| 22:27.52 | streuner | localtoast: i use Debian as Desktop system about 10 years... |
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| 22:27.58 | lwithers | debian is suitable for servers; but it's also suitable for desktops, and embedded systems |
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| 22:28.12 | streuner | for prof. uses too |
| 22:28.17 | babilen | hence the term "universal operating system" |
| 22:28.25 | lwithers | my 3 primary desktops are all Debian based, and in fact it's been much easier than anything else I've used |
| 22:28.31 | localtoast | the desktop component is designed to be a stable, simple desktop for workstations and people who hate their config files moving with every update |
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| 22:29.14 | streuner | Amen |
| 22:29.16 | lwithers | streuner: yes, critical parts of my company run on Debian, and it's used in day-to-day development and operations. It's stable and scalable, and doesn't have a high maintenance burden. |
| 22:29.58 | babilen | didn't we just tried to fix a kernel problem? |
| 22:31.05 | streuner | babilen: good call :-P |
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| 22:32.06 | DeBi-an | jsut one more question, the kde version use what kde version? |
| 22:32.18 | rorycl | hi everyone. There seem to be a lot of security updates hitting squeeze. Is that because it was release precipitately? |
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| 22:34.27 | babilen | ,versions kdebase |
| 22:34.30 | judd | Package kdebase on i386 -- lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; lenny-security: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; sid: 5:66; squeeze: 5:66; wheezy: 5:66 |
| 22:34.32 | babilen | DeBi-an: ^^^^ |
| 22:34.44 | babilen | 66? |
| 22:34.49 | dvs | wow! |
| 22:34.52 | babilen | 4.5 iirc |
| 22:35.00 | dvs | Marty and the doc is workin overtime! |
| 22:35.11 | babilen | hehe |
| 22:35.22 | DeBi-an | buuuu. no linux distro care about the classic kde3.5.10 >( anymore |
| 22:35.36 | babilen | !trinity |
| 22:35.36 | dpkg | Trinity is a project to keep <KDE> 3.5 alive by making packages of this distribution available for Debian squeeze (Squeeze has KDE 4.4 in it). It is not part of Debian, and their packages are neither supported by #debian nor by the Debian Security Team. http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/ #trinity-desktop on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <kde squeeze>. |
| 22:35.55 | babilen | ah, 4.4 in squeeze |
| 22:36.19 | DeBi-an | :) |
| 22:36.21 | babilen | DeBi-an: It's not the linux distributions but KDE upstream. |
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| 22:37.09 | DeBi-an | ok.. i will instlal debian since you care about 3.5 hehe |
| 22:37.40 | jhutchins_lt | squeeze is 4.4.5 |
| 22:38.22 | jhutchins_lt | I wouldn't be surprized if someone started an independent 3.5 repo. |
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| 22:39.06 | localtoast | i prefer 3.5 over 4 |
| 22:39.14 | localtoast | also there is a 3.5 repo for ubuntu... |
| 22:39.31 | jhutchins_lt | I'm really reluctant to upgrade my 1.8GHz amd to 4. |
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| 22:42.43 | rc18r | anyone using other kernel that in testing repository ? |
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| 22:46.58 | babilen | rc18r: why? |
| 22:47.06 | rc18r | i need to try another kernel |
| 22:47.15 | rc18r | with my DVB-T |
| 22:47.30 | babilen | i use .38 from experimental |
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| 22:47.53 | babilen | you might want to give us the relevant line from "lspci -nn" for your dvb-t card |
| 22:47.53 | rc18r | babilen, how u install it on testing ? |
| 22:48.03 | rc18r | babilen, i have it compiled |
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| 22:48.20 | rc18r | but it does not work anymore , worked 1 time |
| 22:48.23 | babilen | rc18r: I don't run testing, but essentially: add experimental to sources.list and install it |
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| 22:48.43 | rc18r | babilen, can i do that with sid kernel also ? |
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| 22:49.05 | rc18r | ok gonna try |
| 22:49.24 | babilen | yes, you could add sid to your sources.list and install the .37 kernel from there. But that is all generic advice not tailored on your particular problem and/or card |
| 22:49.44 | babilen | rc18r: i would install .38 from exp over .37 from sid though |
| 22:49.57 | rc18r | .38 isnt too experimental ? |
| 22:50.08 | rc18r | .37 is stable at kernel.org |
| 22:50.12 | babilen | but you might want to consider fixing the actual problem rather than hoping that it'll work with a newer kernel |
| 22:50.21 | rc18r | i have it all |
| 22:50.30 | rc18r | driver compiled , firmware loaded |
| 22:50.41 | rc18r | worked once , does not work anymore |
| 22:50.51 | rc18r | so i need to try something else |
| 22:50.52 | babilen | try it ... I am happy with a bunch of (radeon related) commits in .38 |
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| 22:52.37 | rc18r | ok |
| 22:52.37 | babilen | if it worked once, it'll work again |
| 22:52.37 | babilen | but we would need the pciid to give better advice |
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| 22:52.40 | babilen | if it is a pci card that is, lsusb output if itis an usb device |
| 22:53.43 | rc18r | babilen, can u do a modprobe -l |grep -i tm6000 ? |
| 22:53.53 | rc18r | do check if that kernel have the driver i need ? |
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| 22:54.07 | spreadsheet | Is there a way to make a port privileged/non-privileged? |
| 22:54.27 | babilen | it does, but why do you hesitate to give the pciid? |
| 22:54.37 | rc18r | its usb |
| 22:54.40 | rc18r | wait |
| 22:54.44 | babilen | or usb id then |
| 22:54.48 | spreadsheet | For example say there's a new protocol that uses port n. Port n is non-privileged, but you don't want everyone on your system to be able to use that port. |
| 22:55.07 | rc18r | babilen, Bus 001 Device 004: ID 2040:6600 Hauppauge |
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| 22:55.45 | rc18r | babilen, rebooting with new kernel , brb |
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| 22:58.22 | lwithers | spreadsheet: you mean a TCP port? to my knowledge, there is no easy way to do that |
| 22:58.23 | jhutchins_lt | ,pciid 2040:6600 |
| 22:58.24 | judd | [2040:6600] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=2040:6600 |
| 22:58.37 | spreadsheet | lwithers: then how does a distro do that? |
| 22:58.49 | spreadsheet | Is it included at compile time? |
| 22:58.54 | spreadsheet | Err, set |
| 22:59.14 | opengeard | It looks like there could be some issues with deb 6.0.0 amd64 installer, repeated error follows: clock-setup: rdate: Invalid cookie received, packet rejected |
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| 22:59.42 | lwithers | spreadsheet: to my knowledge, ports < 1024 are privileged, and others are not. That's all there is to it. I don't think even the 1024 is settable, though I guess it could be somewhere (certainly in the kernel source) |
| 22:59.50 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: usb id |
| 22:59.58 | spreadsheet | Ah ok |
| 23:00.15 | xyan | 1024 is the first unrpivileged port |
| 23:00.29 | jhutchins_lt | ,usbid 2040:6600 |
| 23:00.49 | jhutchins_lt | Well, it MIGHT have worked... |
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| 23:01.33 | rc18r | babilen, any help ? |
| 23:01.38 | streuner | babilen: you can only pray if the driver (third party) is workin with the the kernel in Debian... |
| 23:01.43 | rc18r | cant have video in here |
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| 23:02.09 | jhutchins_lt | tm600 driver. |
| 23:02.20 | rc18r | ok after 30 seconds , its working :D |
| 23:02.20 | streuner | babilen: sometimes the drivers are just working only with special kernels |
| 23:02.57 | streuner | specially with DVT-B |
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| 23:03.10 | streuner | DVB-T |
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| 23:03.20 | jhutchins_lt | 4L!V |
| 23:03.26 | streuner | hm |
| 23:03.28 | jhutchins_lt | ? |
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| 23:03.38 | jhutchins_lt | !v4l |
| 23:03.38 | dpkg | "Video For Linux" (Video4Linux, V4L) is a video capture <API>. The V4L1 API is obsolete and does not work with most newer V4L drivers. http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/What_is_V4L_or_DVB%3F http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ http://www.exploits.org/v4l . See also <dvb>, <webcam>. |
| 23:03.58 | jhutchins_lt | !dvb |
| 23:03.58 | dpkg | [dvb] Digital Video Broadcasting, a suite of standards for digital television (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB). Drivers for a large number of DVB devices are included in the Linux 2.6 kernel, see http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ for more information. For USB DVB bridge firmware, ask me about <af9015>, <dib0700>. See also <dvb-apps>, <e506r>, <mantis>, <saa7134>, <saa716x>. |
| 23:06.05 | homie | get ther firmware and put it in /lib/firmware with a symlink to it |
| 23:06.05 | jhutchins_lt | tm6000 not 600. |
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| 23:09.09 | babilen | rc18r: Could you run "modprobe -r tm6000 ; modprobe tm6000 ; dmesg | tail -23" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net please? |
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| 23:09.32 | rc18r | babilen, modprobe -r tm6000 makes kernel opps |
| 23:09.57 | rc18r | well , at least at 2.6.32 |
| 23:10.06 | rc18r | can check that , 1 moment |
| 23:10.48 | babilen | rc18r: I though you are running .38 now? And you get a kernel oops? |
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| 23:11.03 | rc18r | babilen, i've updated to sid one , so .37 |
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| 23:11.25 | babilen | ok, then report the same for .38 as well |
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| 23:11.49 | rc18r | babilen, as far as i know tm6000 is late , never got from staging |
| 23:11.56 | rc18r | devs just stoped |
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| 23:12.18 | babilen | you know more than me in that case |
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| 23:13.23 | rc18r | im gonna try that command |
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| 23:13.39 | ludens | anybody knows how i can make sure all NTFS drives in /media are locked and unmounted before hibernation? |
| 23:13.46 | rc18r | when i stop vlc , it never starts broadcast again |
| 23:13.50 | ludens | i use pm-utils |
| 23:13.54 | babilen | rc18r: last changeSat, 14 Aug 2010 04:23:57 +0000 (http://git.linuxtv.org/awalls/v4l-dvb.git) |
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| 23:15.15 | aguitel | 2.6.32-5- is the last kernel version in stable ? |
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| 23:17.32 | aguitel | anyway to install new kernel (no compiled) |
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| 23:17.52 | rc18r | babilen, FATAL: Module tm6000 is in use. |
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| 23:18.25 | rc18r | still works, i just need to wait like 2 minutes to broadcast to start |
| 23:18.29 | rc18r | better than nothing :-) |
| 23:19.07 | babilen | *shrug* give it back and get a card that is better supported. it seems as if the last commit was 6 months ago. |
| 23:19.19 | rc18r | aguitel, adjust your sources.list to sid or experimental , aptitude update ; aptitude install linux-image-whatever-it-is |
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| 23:19.49 | aguitel | rc18r, ok |
| 23:20.53 | rc18r | babilen, right :s i had bad luck .... looks like hauppage sells HVR900 ( which is supported on linux ) as HVR900H .... same box with HVR900 references , still the usb stick is HVR900H , and i was fooled for it |
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| 23:21.00 | rc18r | my intentions was to buy a HVR900 |
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| 23:21.33 | Mortvert | Hi |
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| 23:22.00 | babilen | rc18r: the em28xx one? |
| 23:22.20 | rc18r | babilen, yeah , that would be the HVR900 , HVR900H is TM6000 |
| 23:22.43 | rc18r | although , same box , it does not say that is a HVR900H |
| 23:22.45 | babilen | yeah, you might be able to return it if you haven't bought it half a year ago |
| 23:22.57 | Mortvert | Does anyone here knows how to flash compaq evo t20 48/64 using debian? |
| 23:23.11 | rc18r | i bought it off ebay , the seller says he sold as it is on the box , ( HVR900 ) |
| 23:23.29 | babilen | rc18r: It is sometimes surprisingly hard to get good information from hardware vendors about which hardware they *really* sell |
| 23:23.36 | rc18r | agree |
| 23:23.43 | babilen | rc18r: well, off to ebay it is then |
| 23:24.13 | rc18r | i've spoken to the seller, he says its not his fault , advertisement failed on Hauppage |
| 23:24.23 | babilen | yeah |
| 23:24.29 | rc18r | i've mailed Haupagge about this issue, didnt receive a return yet |
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| 23:26.08 | Ac-town | Anyone have a recommendation what to use for a iptables based firewall? |
| 23:26.42 | Mortvert | Ac-town, question |
| 23:26.45 | Mortvert | do you know bash? |
| 23:26.55 | Ac-town | Mortvert: A bit |
| 23:27.01 | Mortvert | scripts? |
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| 23:27.07 | Ac-town | yeah |
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| 23:27.13 | Mortvert | Can i request your help? |
| 23:27.21 | Mortvert | I can't get flashing script to run |
| 23:27.24 | Mortvert | http://pastebin.com/DAuTkL4D |
| 23:27.25 | Ac-town | don't ask to ask, just ask :) |
| 23:27.38 | Mortvert | Wth is wrong with that thing? |
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| 23:27.55 | aguitel | yesterday i had kernel failure |
| 23:28.07 | rc18r | Ac-town, just read a bit of iptables and use it in command line |
| 23:28.13 | rc18r | my advice |
| 23:28.20 | Ac-town | rc18r: yeah, I was planning to do something like that |
| 23:28.26 | rc18r | if u use it , you will need it sooner or later |
| 23:28.35 | rc18r | to know some stuff |
| 23:28.35 | Muffie | hello all. Is there an easy way to install a Wifi usb stick? Mine is listed on ifconfig -a and also on iwconfig. But does not appear on gnome's network manager |
| 23:28.41 | Ac-town | I've seen implementations of a firewall.d/ and /etc/init.d/firewall to help do the job |
| 23:28.45 | Mortvert | Ac-town, meh. |
| 23:28.53 | Mortvert | Any ideas what is wrong with http://pastebin.com/DAuTkL4D ? |
| 23:28.55 | rc18r | Muffie, u have wpa_suplicant installed ? |
| 23:29.09 | Muffie | rc18r, probably not |
| 23:29.15 | Muffie | rc18r, whats that? |
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| 23:29.31 | rc18r | Muffie, its the support for connecting into WPA resources |
| 23:29.33 | babilen | Ac-town: Don't do that. Come up with a configuration and use iptables-save / iptables-restore in a pre-up/pre-down in /e/n/i |
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| 23:29.49 | rc18r | Muffie, still , u would be able to list wifi AP's |
| 23:29.49 | Muffie | rc18r, sudo apt-get wpa_suplicant ? |
| 23:29.56 | babilen | Ac-town: http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
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| 23:30.07 | rc18r | Muffie, aptitude search wpa , to check proper pacakge name |
| 23:30.16 | rc18r | dunno exactly |
| 23:30.21 | babilen | Muffie: sudo is not installed/configured by default on Debian and you forgot the command for apt-get |
| 23:30.36 | Muffie | I'm using sudo |
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| 23:31.37 | Ac-town | babilen: is the basic rules a good start to get sshd and http working but everything else dropped? |
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| 23:31.41 | Muffie | rc18r, wpasupplicant is already the newest version.\ |
| 23:32.02 | Mortvert | meh |
| 23:32.07 | Mortvert | Ac-town, D: |
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| 23:32.14 | Mortvert | Can you help me get http://pastebin.com/DAuTkL4D running> |
| 23:32.15 | babilen | Muffie: Read http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager and the README files mentioned in there. You need to configure /etc/network/interfaces in a specific way for n-m to manage the device. |
| 23:32.33 | babilen | Ac-town: Which basic rules? |
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| 23:32.37 | Mortvert | it throws a bunch of errors at me, and at line 134 it says something about Bad fd number |
| 23:32.46 | Muffie | babilen, and what about that ifconfig wlan0 up or something like that? |
| 23:32.48 | rc18r | Muffie, can u list wifi AP's ? |
| 23:32.48 | Ac-town | babilen: on the wiki page for iptables |
| 23:32.59 | babilen | Ac-town: You might want to look at configuration frontends such as fwbuilder or shorewall |
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| 23:33.10 | Muffie | rc18r, Access Points? No. looks like its not up |
| 23:33.19 | babilen | Muffie: You want to use network-manager, don't you? |
| 23:33.36 | Muffie | babilen, well, I want, but first I need to make it work, right? |
| 23:33.36 | Ac-town | babilen: I'd rather use iptables. Its a headless box |
| 23:33.43 | babilen | Not that I recommend it, but that's how I understood you |
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| 23:34.09 | rc18r | Muffie, what's your wifi device ? |
| 23:34.12 | babilen | Ac-town: shorewall would work, but yeah, your call. You *should* read the frozentux on iptables. |
| 23:34.17 | babilen | tutorial that is |
| 23:34.41 | Muffie | rc18r, Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0bda:8171 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188SU 802.11n WLAN Adapter |
| 23:34.42 | Muffie | lsusb |
| 23:34.43 | Ac-town | babilen: I know how to allow what I want, just the little things such as getting the chain setup correctly |
| 23:34.49 | boota2 | what skills are essential for linux admin? |
| 23:34.53 | rc18r | Muffie, device at ifconfig |
| 23:35.13 | Ac-town | boota2: google skills |
| 23:35.17 | Muffie | rc18r, its only shown using ifconfig -a |
| 23:35.28 | rc18r | Muffie, sure , what is it |
| 23:35.36 | boota2 | Ac-town: If i'd wanted google I'd use it. |
| 23:35.46 | boota2 | I want your personal opinion. |
| 23:35.49 | babilen | rc18r: What exactly is not working? Can you list networks now if you run "ifconfig IFACE up ; iwlist IFACE scan" (replace IFACE with the name of the interface in question) |
| 23:35.58 | Muffie | rc18r, wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:e0:4c:02:68:41 |
| 23:36.09 | rc18r | babilen, im trying to help also :p |
| 23:36.17 | Muffie | rc18r, thats what you need? |
| 23:36.22 | babilen | Muffie: ^^^ that was for you |
| 23:36.29 | rc18r | Muffie, ifconfig wlan0 up ; iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 23:36.34 | rc18r | do you see results ? |
| 23:36.50 | babilen | rc18r: yeah, ENICK :) |
| 23:36.57 | rc18r | no prob :) |
| 23:37.01 | Muffie | SIOCSIFFLAGS: Resource temporarily unavailable |
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| 23:37.17 | Muffie | babilen: I want to make sure its working before going to network manager |
| 23:37.32 | Muffie | ifconfig wlan0 up results on this error: SIOCSIFFLAGS: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 23:37.34 | babilen | rc18r: Could you paste "lspci -nn|grep -i network" in here please? aeh, the output of that |
| 23:37.48 | rc18r | babilen, again :D |
| 23:37.51 | babilen | Muffie: yes, I understood ... I thought you already had that settled |
| 23:37.58 | rc18r | babilen, oppps , u did it again :D |
| 23:38.02 | babilen | rc18r: I'm stopping |
| 23:38.06 | rc18r | like britney spears |
| 23:38.07 | rc18r | : |
| 23:38.14 | babilen | Muffie: Could you paste "lspci -nn|grep -i network" in here please? aeh, the output of that |
| 23:38.19 | babilen | not my evening :) |
| 23:38.27 | Muffie | I can, but its an usb device. 1 sec |
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| 23:38.36 | babilen | lsusb then :) |
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| 23:39.13 | Muffie | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0bda:8171 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188SU 802.11n WLAN Adapter |
| 23:39.17 | babilen | me hopes that the device does not have a "su" in the end of the name |
| 23:39.18 | Muffie | lsusb does not have -nn option |
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| 23:40.29 | babilen | !rtl8192su |
| 23:40.29 | dpkg | [rtl8192su] r8192s_usb is a Linux kernel module produced by the rtl8192su staging driver, supporting Realtek RTL8188SU, RTL8191S and RTL8192SU 802.11n USB wireless LAN chipsets. Enabled as of linux-2.6 2.6.32-10 (x86 architectures only). Firmware is required (RTL8192SU/rtl8192sfw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. Not to be confused with the <rtl8192u> driver. See also <r8712u>. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
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| 23:41.02 | Muffie | !RTL8188SU |
| 23:41.02 | dpkg | [rtl8192su] r8192s_usb is a Linux kernel module produced by the rtl8192su staging driver, supporting Realtek RTL8188SU, RTL8191S and RTL8192SU 802.11n USB wireless LAN chipsets. Enabled as of linux-2.6 2.6.32-10 (x86 architectures only). Firmware is required (RTL8192SU/rtl8192sfw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. Not to be confused with the <rtl8192u> driver. See also <r8712u>. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
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| 23:41.33 | Muffie | I think I have installed that firmware yesterday |
| 23:41.45 | Muffie | using aptitude |
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| 23:42.49 | Muffie | sudo apt-get install firmware-realtek |
| 23:42.55 | Mortvert | hm, what should i install to get dhcpd3? |
| 23:43.07 | babilen | could you run "modprobe -r r8192s_usb ; modprobe r8192s_usb ; dmesg | tail -n 23" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 23:44.15 | babilen | Muffie: Include the output of "ifconfig -a" "iwconfig" as well while you are at it. And make sure you have "firmware-realtek" installed. (I always feel bad then I see those crappy devices) |
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| 23:46.38 | Muffie | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/109608/ |
| 23:46.39 | Mortvert | derp |
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| 23:46.45 | babilen | Mortvert: dhcp3-server ? |
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| 23:46.53 | babilen | !tell Mortvert -about search |
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| 23:46.55 | Mortvert | babilen, nothing happens |
| 23:47.13 | babilen | Mortvert: "dpkg -l dhcp3-server" ? |
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| 23:47.50 | Muffie | babilen, got that? |
| 23:48.03 | Mortvert | babilen, it's installed |
| 23:48.12 | babilen | Mortvert: there you are |
| 23:48.22 | Mortvert | still, can't run dhcpd3 |
| 23:48.37 | Mortvert | seems it needs reinstall |
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| 23:48.58 | babilen | Muffie: yeah, I got that. I would need a bit more dmesg output .. could yu replace the 23 in there with a larger numner (like 42) so it captures all relevant output |
| 23:49.03 | Mortvert | i am lost |
| 23:49.46 | Muffie | babilen, of course. 1 sec |
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| 23:49.53 | Mortvert | since i have dhcp-server yet i can't run dhcpd3 |
| 23:51.04 | babilen | Mortvert: Make sure isc-dhcp-server is isntalled (dhcp3-server is a dummy package) and run "service isc-dhcp-server start" |
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| 23:51.31 | Python1320 | Troubles with multihomed system: I have eth0 as default gateway. All working fine. I got a secondary connection that I would like to utilize though. How would I go about this? All I really want is to host a webserver on the secondary connection. |
| 23:51.42 | Mortvert | hm |
| 23:51.44 | Mortvert | it errors |
| 23:52.00 | Mortvert | and i need dhcpd3 command for the script |
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| 23:52.04 | babilen | Mortvert: You have problems with your configuration then. |
| 23:52.20 | babilen | Mortvert: Which script? |
| 23:52.23 | sontek | anyone know what this build error means? http://paste2.org/p/1282395 |
| 23:52.27 | Muffie | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/109609/ |
| 23:52.31 | lwithers | Python1320: do you mean your machine has two Ethernet cards/ports? or something else? |
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| 23:52.38 | Mortvert | babilen, a flashing script for evo t20 terminal |
| 23:52.39 | sontek | Trying to build the usbhid-dkms package so I can have click and drag support for my macbook |
| 23:52.44 | Python1320 | lwithers, yes |
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| 23:52.46 | nertil | tu |
| 23:52.49 | rafuch0 | the debian permissions system is based on DAC Discretionary Access Control right ? |
| 23:52.52 | Python1320 | In fact I have 6 but that's irrelevant |
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| 23:53.11 | Mortvert | babilen, http://mowson.org/karl/articles/linux-netxfer/netxfer.sh |
| 23:53.24 | lwithers | Python1320: have you configured the second Ethernet card with an address in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 23:53.29 | Python1320 | dhcp |
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| 23:53.33 | babilen | Muffie: And "iwlist wlan0 scan" still errors out? |
| 23:53.37 | Python1320 | lwithers, I've got eth0 as default gateway. I also have ppp0. |
| 23:53.56 | lwithers | Python1320: what is ppp0? are you running PPPoE? |
| 23:54.05 | localtoast | dial=up? |
| 23:54.05 | Python1320 | lwithers, Just launched wvdial |
| 23:54.12 | Python1320 | 3G modem to be specific |
| 23:54.26 | localtoast | Oh, wireless dialup? |
| 23:54.29 | Python1320 | DHCP is all fine but it refuses to add a default gatekway since I already have one |
| 23:54.31 | Muffie | babilen, hmmm. its working now |
| 23:54.36 | Python1320 | yeah |
| 23:54.42 | tonsofpcs | you can have more than one 'default' gateway |
| 23:54.47 | Mortvert | raaagh |
| 23:54.49 | Muffie | babilen, what the hell |
| 23:55.00 | Muffie | probably the realtek framebuffers |
| 23:55.02 | Python1320 | tonsofpcs, hmm? |
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| 23:55.09 | lwithers | Python1320: ok, so you have a router on the 1st Ethernet interface. What is the router on the 2nd Ethernet interface? |
| 23:55.25 | lwithers | s/on/connected to/ to be clearer |
| 23:55.30 | babilen | Muffie: The executable is called dhcpd not dhcpd3 |
| 23:55.33 | Mortvert | babilen, any ideas how i can get that dhcpd3 command? Script won't run without it ._. |
| 23:55.36 | infinity0 | hi, my authoritative bind9 server keeps redirecting axfr requests, even though it answers SOA fine |
| 23:55.40 | infinity0 | any ideas? |
| 23:55.46 | infinity0 | i've added recursion: no to the DNS config |
| 23:55.48 | babilen | Mortvert: The executable is called dhcpd not dhcpd3 |
| 23:55.48 | Muffie | babilen, final question... :) |
| 23:55.56 | tonsofpcs | infinity0: yu need to tell it to let you axfr |
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| 23:55.58 | Python1320 | lwithers, they're both getting their IP from ISP directly using DHCP. The problem is that if I try to add default gateway for ppp0 things go weird. |
| 23:56.00 | rafuch0 | the Debian permissions system is based on DAC Discretionary Access Control right ? |
| 23:56.08 | Muffie | babilen, how can I add the driver for "Radeon Mobility' old one, from a dell P3 notebook |
| 23:56.13 | tonsofpcs | most NSs deny AXFR except from allowed servers |
| 23:56.14 | babilen | Muffie: YAY \o/ |
| 23:56.14 | Mortvert | babilen, should i edit the script then? |
| 23:56.21 | tonsofpcs | Python1320: multimetric |
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| 23:56.26 | Muffie | babilen, BTW, thanks a lot |
| 23:56.33 | Python1320 | Too much to ask if I .. ask.. how? |
| 23:56.40 | babilen | Mortvert: That would be a possibility. I can't comment on that script. |
| 23:56.46 | lwithers | Python1320: do you mean you have two modems? one connected to each Ethernet interface? |
| 23:56.50 | infinity0 | tonsofpcs: how do i do that? i have allow-transfer { list of IPs; } |
| 23:56.57 | infinity0 | and that doesn't seem to be working |
| 23:57.01 | tonsofpcs | Python1320: route add 0.0.0.0/0 gw [blah] metric [blah] |
| 23:57.10 | tonsofpcs | infinity0: on the authoritative? |
| 23:57.14 | babilen | !tell Muffie about radeon |
| 23:57.15 | infinity0 | i mean, it's accepting the axfr request, it's just re-sending it onwards for no good reason |
| 23:57.17 | infinity0 | tonsofpcs: yes |
| 23:57.22 | tonsofpcs | interesting. |
| 23:57.35 | tonsofpcs | I didn't know you could redirect AXFRs.... |
| 23:57.42 | Muffie | babilen probably he will tell me about fglrx |
| 23:57.44 | tonsofpcs | are you sure it's authoritative? |
| 23:57.45 | Muffie | too old for that |
| 23:57.47 | opengeard | Looks like there's a deb 6.0.0 repeated installer error in the clock setup step: clock-setup: rdate: Invalid cookie received, packet rejected |
| 23:57.49 | babilen | Muffie: You'll also need firmware. You might want to run "lspci -nn|grep -i vga" and paste that here |
| 23:57.52 | Python1320 | tonsofpcs, if I listen on ppp0. Will this let me send the packets to the same IF where it came from. Right now if I send SYN it sends SYNACK through eth0 |
| 23:58.01 | babilen | Muffie: no, not fglrx |
| 23:58.01 | rafuch0 | AWSERing my own question = YES |
| 23:58.03 | Python1320 | and that doesn't really work.. |
| 23:58.06 | infinity0 | it accepts the axfr request then forwards it onto its ordinary dns parent, gets no response, then replies with no response |
| 23:58.20 | babilen | Muffie: You should have received a private message from dpkg |
| 23:58.20 | tonsofpcs | Python1320: you can specify the interface for the routing rule |
| 23:58.22 | sontek | is there a debian channel for macbook users? I'm trying to get click and drag support but the usbhid module wont compile properly for me |
| 23:58.31 | Muffie | babilen, can I edit xorg.conf or something and include Radeon on it? |
| 23:58.41 | lwithers | Python1320: from what I understand of your setup you need to do something a fair bit more complicated |
| 23:58.54 | tonsofpcs | sontek: "click and drag" support? |
| 23:58.58 | lwithers | Python1320: I've made something like that work using policy-based routing; whether that's the simplest way I don't know |
| 23:59.01 | babilen | Mortvert: btw, "dpkg -L isc-dhcp-server" lists all files that come from that package |
| 23:59.06 | tonsofpcs | Python1320: i'm not sure what you're trying to do... |
| 23:59.06 | Muffie | !radeon_firmware |
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| 23:59.20 | Python1320 | I'm trying to have two connections. Both would be able to serve as webservers. |
| 23:59.32 | Python1320 | Right now the packets coming from ppp0 are replied through eth0 |
| 23:59.33 | babilen | Muffie: Just ask dpkg directly (either /msg dpkg radeon firmware OR in the private chat) |
| 23:59.44 | tonsofpcs | Python1320: interfacing? |
| 23:59.48 | babilen | !tell Muffie -about xorg.conf.d |
| 23:59.54 | Python1320 | interfacing? |
| 23:59.57 | sontek | tonsofpcs: macbooks have a single button, its multitouch, so normall 2 fingers is right click, which means you can't click and then drag with a second finger |
| 23:59.58 | babilen | !tell Muffie -about radeon firmware |
