| 00:00.04 | lwithers | Python1320: AIUI, the problem is that the routing table will cause outgoing packets to the Internet to go through the default route (with the lowest metric) |
| 00:00.04 | babilen | !tell Muffie -about empty xorg.conf |
| 00:00.06 | sontek | tonsofpcs: but there is a bcm5974-dkms module that fixes this |
| 00:00.11 | Delf | How do I change to a custom resolution. I'm using a very long kvm cable, the computer don't seem to be able to detect the screen "modes". |
| 00:00.13 | sontek | tonsofpcs: but I can't get it to compile |
| 00:00.18 | Python1320 | lwithers, yeah. That's what I though |
| 00:00.23 | lwithers | Python1320: to get them to go out through the interface they came in on, you need to mark them with iptables and then use policy-based routing |
| 00:00.34 | Python1320 | Sounds fun |
| 00:00.48 | lwithers | although if anyone knows of a simpler mechanism now would be a good time to interject :) |
| 00:00.57 | babilen | Muffie: But I would just try it without a xorg.conf and let Xorg configure itself. If you really need to configure something use a little .conf file in xorg.conf.d |
| 00:01.11 | opengeard | Another issue with debian 6.0.0: once installed, apt installation media is not automatically disabled as do previous versions. |
| 00:01.18 | Muffie | babilen, babilen wants you to know: Binary-only firmware was removed from the radeon <DRM> driver at linux-2.6 2.6.29-1 (Debian bug #494009), now packaged separately in firmware-linux-nonfree. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance in the <radeon> and <radeonhd> xorg drivers is commonly experienced. To acquire, ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 00:01.24 | babilen | Muffie: I will, however, not walk you through this *tonight* ... |
| 00:01.33 | babilen | Muffie: Yes, that is the factoid I had dpkg send you |
| 00:01.45 | Muffie | I have already added the non-free suffix |
| 00:01.49 | Muffie | to sources.list |
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| 00:01.52 | claint | Delf: if you have display somewhere, you could use xrandr, or maybe grandr? |
| 00:01.53 | babilen | Muffie: wonderful |
| 00:01.58 | Muffie | but now, what should I get? |
| 00:02.05 | Python1320 | lwithers, m afraid no one will :s |
| 00:02.06 | Muffie | the binary that was not included |
| 00:02.08 | babilen | Muffie: No need to quote the factoid in here, I know what it says :) |
| 00:02.24 | lwithers | Python1320: so, for example, I have an iptables rule that does this: ${IPT} -A FORWARD -i ${DEMON_IF} -j CONNMARK --set-mark 4 (I'm sure you can figure out what the variables should be) |
| 00:02.35 | Muffie | just wanted to use it to ask you about it |
| 00:02.41 | lwithers | Python1320: in this case ${DEMON_IF} is our secondary connection; it's not the default route with the lowest metric |
| 00:02.42 | Delf | claint: xrandr or grandr? |
| 00:03.09 | babilen | Muffie: "aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-radeon libgl1-mesa-dri firmware-linux-nonfree" should install all you need |
| 00:03.26 | Mortvert | !!!!!! |
| 00:03.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, !!!!! is "And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head." -- Terry Pratchett, Maskerade |
| 00:03.27 | claint | Delf: grandr is gnome wrapper for xrandr. I thought you wanted to set the resolution on a secondary display. |
| 00:03.28 | Mortvert | it works! |
| 00:03.36 | lwithers | Python1320: then iptables -t mangle -A PREROUTING -s 192.168.42.0/24 -j CONNMARK --restore-mark |
| 00:03.37 | babilen | Mortvert: wonderful :) |
| 00:03.51 | Python1320 | whaaat at 192 |
| 00:03.52 | lwithers | Python1320: and then you need to make a routing table with the number used in the mark |
| 00:04.00 | Muffie | babilen, sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 00:04.04 | Mortvert | now brb, flashing my terminal |
| 00:04.05 | Muffie | this one should do it? |
| 00:04.18 | Python1320 | I wonder if someone has documented his configuration of this. I'm sure I'm not the first one. |
| 00:04.27 | lwithers | Python1320: oh, that's the internal network here; it's basically applying the *connection* mark to the packet |
| 00:04.39 | Delf | claint: Primary display. It only displays 800x600 and lower. The screen does 1920x1080 |
| 00:04.40 | Python1320 | I don't have internal network. |
| 00:04.50 | babilen | Muffie: That is not the command I gave you: "sudo aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-radeon libgl1-mesa-dri firmware-linux-nonfree" |
| 00:04.57 | lwithers | Python1320: then use the machine's IP for that interface, with /32 |
| 00:05.00 | babilen | Muffie: or use apt-get if *you* prefer that |
| 00:05.04 | Python1320 | hmm |
| 00:05.08 | Python1320 | could probably work |
| 00:05.27 | Python1320 | It's 02:05 around here so I'm not too eager to try right now. |
| 00:05.47 | claint | Delf: then fix your xorg.conf somehow. |
| 00:05.47 | lwithers | Python1320: you make a special routing table with "ip route add table 4 ..." for example |
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| 00:06.00 | lwithers | Python1320: I got this information from http://linux-ip.net/html/adv-multi-internet.html primarily, and a bit of experimentation |
| 00:06.11 | Python1320 | I'll take a look on it |
| 00:06.19 | Muffie | babilen, weird. everything already on their newest versions |
| 00:06.32 | Python1320 | It's sad this channel is alive only when I'm playing a zombie. |
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| 00:07.03 | Delf | God.. can anyone help me to set a custom resolution? |
| 00:07.24 | claint | !tell Delf about xorg.conf |
| 00:07.33 | Mortvert | WOO |
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| 00:07.47 | Mortvert | finished flashing, didn't brick stuff for once! |
| 00:07.54 | Mortvert | babilen, thanks for help |
| 00:07.59 | Mortvert | the dhcpd helped |
| 00:08.16 | babilen | Muffie: I would need to see you /var/log/Xorg.0.log to debug this further, but I'll call it a day. I'm back on Monday, but a few of the other regulars (of which I see none right now) are just as capable to help. Others in here are probably just as able to help. Have a nice evening and a good weekend. |
| 00:08.27 | Python1320 | lwithers, thanks for the help though. Now I know at least one direction. I'll try to clear my mind for tomorrow to actually try it. |
| 00:08.31 | Muffie | thank you babilen |
| 00:08.33 | Muffie | nite |
| 00:08.46 | babilen | Mortvert: No problem. Knowing that you want to run a third party script clarified your problem :) |
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| 00:09.01 | Delf | Where is <xorg config lenny>? |
| 00:09.05 | lwithers | Python1320: yeah, sorry I should probably have put a bit more thought into that explanation. Hope the link is helpful though |
| 00:09.10 | Mortvert | babilen, :D |
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| 00:09.17 | babilen | Delf: /msg dpkg xorg config lenny |
| 00:09.17 | Mortvert | Now i can run stuff on my terminal |
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| 00:10.20 | Delf | thanks babilen, but the info wasn't useful. |
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| 00:10.39 | claint | Delf: check if you got a /etc/X11/xorg.conf. That file might be forcing you to 800x600. |
| 00:10.45 | Muffie | ra: (II) RADEON(0): Acceleration enabled |
| 00:10.49 | Muffie | thats really odd |
| 00:11.03 | Muffie | if what Im using is accelerated |
| 00:11.08 | p_res | I have a question that I can't seem to find an answer to on Google. But I'm aware that the Debian Volatile repo for Squeeze has been discontinued and replaced with squeeze-updates. But why is the Volatile repo provided in the installer in the first place when it doesn't verify? |
| 00:11.15 | Muffie | I cant imagine what would be not accelerated |
| 00:11.44 | Muffie | anyone knows how can I check if Im using accelerated gfx? |
| 00:11.58 | babilen | Delf: The factoid <xorg config lenny> can be retrieved by messaging dpkg with "/msg dpkg". If your question was indeed "Where is the file named xorg.conf on lenny?" Then the answer is /etc/X11/xorg.conf -- But be aware of the fact that Xorg typically configures itself automagically. |
| 00:12.35 | p_res | Muffie: glxgears |
| 00:12.43 | babilen | Muffie: "glxinfo" â http://paste.debian.net |
| 00:13.02 | Delf | babilen: I've located the file. I've opened it and I don't see any line that contains 800 or even 600. |
| 00:13.22 | babilen | Delf: Why are you looking for those lines? |
| 00:13.34 | claint | babilen: i told him to check it. |
| 00:13.35 | studentz | Help me please : Rhythmbox does not detect my I touch. I'm following this guide http://wiki.debian.org/iPhone but the I touch is not mounted in .gvfs directory. |
| 00:13.43 | babilen | claint: Ah, ok. go on then. |
| 00:14.34 | Delf | babilen: I'm being pointed to wrong place. |
| 00:15.13 | Delf | This is a HARDWARE related problem and I'm trying to solve it by MANUALLY setting a CUSTOM resolution. |
| 00:15.53 | claint | Delf: no, I was wondering if there was a manually set resolution. there apparently isn't. |
| 00:16.05 | babilen | claint, Delf: I would take a detailed look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and the output "xrandr" (try setting a different resolution with that tool as well) -- readedid might also be worth a try (if the monitor is giving strange edid information that confuses xorg) Also check that the driver is configured correctly (the correct one?) and that firmware is installed. |
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| 00:16.28 | babilen | good luck |
| 00:16.29 | Delf | What is xrandr? I'm not familiar with it. |
| 00:16.47 | babilen | !tell Delf -about xrandr |
| 00:16.56 | babilen | run it without arguments, read its manpage |
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| 00:18.09 | p_res | Since no-one has answered my question, I can only assume that it's left in the Squeeze installer from when the Volatile repos was in action. Is my assumption correct? |
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| 00:18.29 | claint | p_res: is your installer up to date? |
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| 00:19.19 | p_res | Since no-one has answered my question, I can only assume that it's left in the Squeeze installer from when the Volatile repos was in action. Is my assumption correct? |
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| 00:20.25 | Mortvert | So once again tnaks |
| 00:20.29 | Mortvert | see you :D |
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| 00:20.34 | studentz | 216/4 |
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| 00:20.56 | studentz | Help me please : Rhythmbox does not detect my I touch |
| 00:20.58 | Delf | Awesome! I tried randr -x 1920 -y 1080 |
| 00:21.10 | Delf | And it gives me the manual again. |
| 00:21.49 | claint | Delf: funny. I told you about xrandr first, didn't I? |
| 00:22.12 | Delf | claint: I did say that I didn't know what it was didn't I? |
| 00:22.21 | claint | Delf: point taken |
| 00:22.31 | Delf | randr refuses to set the freaking resolution. It keeps giving me the man |
| 00:22.37 | Delf | manu* |
| 00:23.56 | claint | do you have an X running on your monitor at 800x600 and you want it running at 1920x1080 right? |
| 00:24.21 | claint | s/do// |
| 00:24.32 | lwithers | Delf: if you read the manual, you'll see that those arguments don't make sense; it's showing you some usage instructions |
| 00:24.51 | lwithers | Delf: you could try xrandr --size 1920x1080 for example |
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| 00:25.13 | lwithers | though if there are other underlying problems somebody else will have to help you, I'm not really an X person |
| 00:26.20 | babilen | running 'xrandr' (without anything) and pasting to http://paste.debian.net would be a good idea |
| 00:27.21 | Delf | lwithers: I got those arguments from the xrandr -h |
| 00:27.45 | claint | p_res: if the volatile repos are installed by the squeeze installer, it sounds like a bug. |
| 00:28.08 | Delf | lwithers: It said.. bla bla mode not available. |
| 00:28.08 | lwithers | my xrandr -h says, for example: "-x (reflect in x)" |
| 00:28.29 | p_res | claint: Well they are being installed. Doesn't really matter because I just remove them from the sources.list config and update. |
| 00:28.33 | lwithers | also the info Babilen requested is probably a good place to start diagnosing what's wrong |
| 00:29.17 | p_res | I installed from the Debian Squeeze 6.0.0 AMD64 CD1. |
| 00:29.21 | babilen | one might even start earlier with the xorg log, EDID from the monitor, driver (lspci) firmware, etc et al. |
| 00:29.43 | Delf | The freaking xrandr REFUSES to set a mode that is not in its "available modes" list. |
| 00:30.14 | Bushmills | Delf: add mode |
| 00:30.16 | claint | p_res: well, i don't know then. But you did the right thing I guess. |
| 00:30.35 | Delf | Bushmills: I don't really understand the parameters for the add mode part or I would've done it already. |
| 00:30.58 | Cozminsky | architecture question: how would you run smtp/imap/web servers on two very distant computers with varying connection speed and configuration |
| 00:31.01 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:31.07 | p_res | claint: I'm not fussed, but I can't believe it was not removed before Squeeze went gold. |
| 00:31.14 | Bushmills | but i forgot which one that is |
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| 00:32.03 | Delf | timing parameters? |
| 00:32.28 | claint | p_res: i would check the bug reports and report a bug if there is not one on it yet. provided the installer CD was burned after release version. |
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| 00:32.33 | Delf | My god, what is the point of making parameters that don't work or parameters that are non-obvious. |
| 00:33.08 | Cozminsky | I was thinking exim unseen delivery to the other host in order to do that, so I'm wondering if something like unison is more suitable |
| 00:33.11 | p_res | claint: Yes it was cooked 1 day after Squeeze went gold. |
| 00:33.26 | claint | Delf: could you paste the output of your "xrandr" command to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 00:33.36 | lwithers | Delf: xrandr exposes what the hardware (or at least the drivers) think it is capable of doing. It has some lower-level tools for overriding that, but you need to know a little about the hardware to get that to work |
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| 00:34.16 | babilen | Delf: Could you please paste the xrandr output as well as your xorg log? |
| 00:34.21 | p_res | claint: Debian servers must be down, the site is not working atm. |
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| 00:34.45 | claint | Cozminsky: what are you trying to do exactly? |
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| 00:35.28 | Cozminsky | claint: I have my mail delivered locally, and serve it via imap, but when my dsl provider is down, or power outage,etc |
| 00:35.52 | Cozminsky | claint: people can't get their mail, I'm wondering if I can make the two sites duplicates |
| 00:36.15 | Cozminsky | claint: I was thinking, easy enough to change my exim conf to deliver to both sites |
| 00:36.18 | lwithers | Cozminsky: check out offline-imap |
| 00:36.28 | Delf | You guys are kidding me.. How hard should it be to simply set a CUSTOM resolution, even if your screen doesn't support it. |
| 00:36.35 | Cozminsky | lwithers: you mean on the clients? |
| 00:36.52 | claint | Delf: if your screen doesn't support it, it is actually impossible. |
| 00:36.59 | lwithers | Cozminsky: no, on the backup server. You could use it to replicate the maildirs across |
| 00:38.22 | Delf | claint: What the hell, are you serious? |
| 00:38.40 | lwithers | Delf: sadly, monitors need to be given an electrical signal that conforms to a set of timing constraints. Monitors use EDID to communicate those to the graphics card. If the monitor doesn't communicate them, how does the graphics card know what the timing constraints of the monitor are? |
| 00:38.40 | \3TATUK | Does anyone know how to deal with the following message I'm getting from the Description of update -> Changes section in Update Manager?: 'Downloading list of changes failed.' |
| 00:38.43 | Cozminsky | lwithers: like imapsync? I was thinking a more generic file replication mechanism so I could do web as well |
| 00:38.59 | lwithers | Cozminsky: sure; rsync would probably work very well for this |
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| 00:39.53 | Delf | lwithers: I know about EDID. The thing is, the EDID info doesn't reach the computer through TWO KVMs and a long freaking cable in between. |
| 00:40.36 | Cozminsky | lwithers: I was wondering if unison would be better |
| 00:40.52 | babilen | \3TATUK: Also cross-posting and answering questions on two channels might confuse you |
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| 00:41.03 | lwithers | Delf: yes, in that case you need to tell the graphics card about the missing EDID info; most likely you can just google for a modeline and try it |
| 00:41.21 | blackswan | i have compiled perl 5.12 because i'm having a problem with the stock perl 5.10, and now i can't load libjava.so; i'm sure there's some security thingy i can change to fix this, but i don't know what it is. the error message is: |
| 00:41.25 | blackswan | Can't load '/home/hermit/work/stonesoup/i386/preprocessing/swig/SPICE.so' for module SPICE: libjava.so: cannot enable executable stack as shared object requires: Operation not permitted at /home/hermit/localperl32/lib/5.12.3/i686-linux/DynaLoader.pm line 200. |
| 00:41.25 | lwithers | Cozminsky: yes, unison is also good, although I think that does some sort of two-way merge rather than just replicate files from source to destination |
| 00:41.35 | localtoast | How can I download YouTube videos without Flash? |
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| 00:41.47 | localtoast | I've got Opera with the downloading extension, but it does nothing |
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| 00:41.56 | babilen | ,info youtube-dl |
| 00:41.58 | judd | No record of package 'youtube-dl' in squeeze/i386. |
| 00:42.06 | poccha | hello, is anyone willing to help me finding out why my debian server chrashes on a regular basis? |
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| 00:42.17 | lwithers | Delf: try googling "xrandr 1920 1080" and trying some of the modelines you see. With digital monitors they're probably more lenient on the timing requirements than the old analogue stuff. |
| 00:42.19 | blackswan | and then i hit fn-f1 and accidentally suspended my laptop... |
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| 00:42.33 | localtoast | i loathe the fn key |
| 00:42.37 | claint | lwithers: Cozminsky probably wants unison in case the master goes down, and then when it comes back up, it wants to update itself from the replica. |
| 00:42.44 | localtoast | babilen, the package doesn't exist |
| 00:42.58 | localtoast | E: Unable to locate package youtube-dl |
| 00:43.00 | babilen | localtoast: It is in sid, check cclive in squeeze |
| 00:43.11 | localtoast | ok then |
| 00:43.30 | blackswan | so i think it has something to do with apparmor, or some setting in /proc or /sys, but i don't know where to start |
| 00:43.52 | Cozminsky | lwithers: yes, but I'm thinking some stuff might be modified on the secondary, like if I were to replicate mailman lists and put messages in the archives I'd want them to come back to my home machine too |
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| 00:44.38 | lwithers | Cozminsky: that is true. In that case unison would seem to be a good choice, as claint points out. I haven't used it myself though. |
| 00:44.48 | claint | is still waiting for a debian tsync package. |
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| 00:45.11 | Bushmills | Delf: wouldn't it be enough then to connect the monitor directly, select the desired mode, and note the mode timing parameters as used by xrandr? |
| 00:45.12 | claint | i use unison to sync my home directories between work/home. |
| 00:45.12 | Cozminsky | claint: tsync? |
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| 00:45.30 | localtoast | It's saying 404, syntax was a cclive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPnehDhGa14 |
| 00:45.33 | Delf | Bushmills: How is that done? |
| 00:45.42 | Bushmills | connecting the monitor? |
| 00:45.51 | Delf | Bushmills: I don't know what "timing parameters" are. |
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| 00:46.16 | Cozminsky | claint: tsyncd.sourceforge.net? |
| 00:46.18 | claint | Cozminsky: yeah, some guy wrote it in 2006 or something for google summer of code, but then it got dropped. |
| 00:46.26 | Bushmills | xrandr --verbose |
| 00:46.59 | claint | Cozminsky: I might do a debian package of it someday. "Beta" though, so you should probably go with rsync or unison. |
| 00:47.02 | Cozminsky | everything like this seems to get dropped at some point |
| 00:47.31 | claint | Cozminsky: that kid started working at google after that though. |
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| 00:48.23 | Cozminsky | unison is now in autopilot mode upstream, coda fs looked like it might be good for a time but I haven't heard anything more of it in ages |
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| 00:49.11 | babilen | Bushmills: Unfortunately Delf refuses to let us see the xrandr output and Xorg.0.log ;-\ |
| 00:49.12 | claint | Cozminsky: yeah, one problem I have with unison is that different versions don't work well together. |
| 00:49.15 | localtoast | ok then, using youtube-dl from source |
| 00:49.25 | babilen | !tell localtoast -about ssb |
| 00:49.37 | Cozminsky | claint: yeah, won't be a problem since I control both ends |
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| 00:49.58 | Bushmills | babilen: nothing unfortunate about it. i'm fine replying in general terms. |
| 00:50.14 | localtoast | babilen, I've got it working fine using youtube-dl from the the source |
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| 00:51.26 | babilen | localtoast: you've seen the 'ssb' info? |
| 00:51.34 | babilen | localtoast: congratulations btw |
| 00:52.02 | localtoast | I've compiled from source before, just that this was pathetically easy |
| 00:52.11 | localtoast | not even compiling, just running a script you download |
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| 00:52.16 | babilen | hehe |
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| 00:52.18 | babilen | ok |
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| 00:54.24 | Delf | babilen: The thing is, its on a different machine. I'll install a clipboard share thingy sh1t. |
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| 00:54.53 | lwithers | Delf: perhaps the pastebinit package would be helpful to you |
| 00:55.13 | babilen | !tell Delf -about pastebinit |
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| 00:56.04 | babilen | Delf: You want to run it as "command_whatever | pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" -- or "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net /path/to/file" -- why didn't you say so earlier? |
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| 01:00.23 | Delf | brb, I'll login from the machine. |
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| 01:06.53 | Delf | Ok.. now what. |
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| 01:08.03 | Delf | I got a browser now. What do I type in the terminal? |
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| 01:08.29 | claint | Delf: xrandr |
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| 01:09.37 | Esay_girl | http://www.palandokenrentacar.com/ |
| 01:09.59 | Delf | claint: http://dev.pastebin.it/mibd4r |
| 01:10.53 | Delf | Are we happy now? |
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| 01:12.13 | Delf | I just want to set to 1920x1080 @ 60hz. Am I the only one who wants to run a "custom" resolution? |
| 01:13.49 | somiaj | who is that a custom resolution, it is what i"m running at. |
| 01:13.50 | somiaj | how |
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| 01:13.57 | homie | i am restricted to 50Hz too |
| 01:14.01 | claint | Delf: here is my output at http://paste.debian.net/109613/ . I can set my resolution to be any of them (got two screens). I think somehow xorg is not recognizing your monitor right. Can you also paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
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| 01:14.35 | homie | it's flickering thru pdf's in iceweasel etc.... one can see it already |
| 01:14.43 | homie | depends on the monitor capacity's |
| 01:15.24 | homie | 85Hz is the best |
| 01:15.44 | homie | for the eyes, but then i have to go to lower resolutions.... |
| 01:16.08 | homie | and then make all font's as tiny as possible maybe |
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| 01:18.45 | Ac-town | babilen: care to checkout my iptables rule set? |
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| 01:19.10 | draeath | Does 6.0 use grub legacy or 2.0 by default? |
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| 01:21.05 | claint | draeath: grub2 by default. |
| 01:21.35 | draeath | tyvm claint (knee deep in window's boot catalog trying to set up chainloading, can't easily check what is actually installed without rebooting) |
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| 01:27.36 | Bogus8 | how do I use mdadm to just wipe out any raid config data that is currently on the drives (two of four got screwed up when I switched to debian... no matter there was no data on them) |
| 01:27.40 | Bogus8 | I just want to recreate the array (I got 16 hours to spare) ;) |
| 01:28.20 | Delf | What am I suppose to do with that freaking list? I already know what my screen supports. |
| 01:28.21 | lwithers | Bogus8: try mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sda1 (or whatever partition) |
| 01:28.36 | rubin110 | Is there a quick way to tell if a NIC has negotiated gigabit speeds? |
| 01:28.39 | Bogus8 | lwithers: will give it a go |
| 01:29.19 | Bogus8 | lwithers: looks like that might be the trick! |
| 01:29.25 | lwithers | rubin110: sudo mii-tool |
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| 01:29.57 | rubin110 | Ah ok. |
| 01:30.01 | rubin110 | Works, thanks. |
| 01:30.19 | rubin110 | Now my new question is, why am I only pushing around 100mbit/s through NFS4 when I've got gigabit... |
| 01:30.28 | Bogus8 | lwithers: I'm still getting some odd things when I try to build... mdadm: /dev/sdd1 appears to contain an ext2fs file system (and this appears on another drive as well) |
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| 01:31.24 | lwithers | Bogus8: ah, OK; you're 100% sure you're not about to overwrite any of your data? |
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| 01:31.41 | Bogus8 | lwithers: they are fresh drives |
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| 01:31.56 | claint | rubin110: you got gigabit everywhere? machine, nfs host, network hubs, etc? |
| 01:32.09 | lwithers | Bogus8: then simply add the --force option to mdadm |
| 01:32.15 | Bogus8 | lwithers: I had started with ubutnu server but mdadm can't email you if you have a failure in ubuntu as of now... not exactly "server" material ;) |
| 01:32.20 | rubin110 | claint: Everywhere. |
| 01:32.34 | rubin110 | netatalk is able to push gigabig speeds, but NFS4 doesn't. |
| 01:32.37 | lwithers | Bogus8: really? what's the issue, out of interest? |
| 01:32.48 | petemc | rubin110: dmesg will show the negotiated link speed, otherwise ethtool |
| 01:33.04 | claint | rubin110: how fast are your drives? |
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| 01:33.20 | Bogus8 | lwithers: not really sure (not at the same computer to have the web site that talks about it at the momment. I'll try to dig it up. |
| 01:33.31 | rubin110 | petemc: I got that info from mii-tool |
| 01:33.46 | petemc | fantastic then |
| 01:33.52 | lwithers | don't worry, I was just curious. Seems like it should be pretty trivial to have that work⦠not like email's a new feature or anything |
| 01:33.55 | Bogus8 | lwithers: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReliableRaid |
| 01:34.02 | Bogus8 | was in my history on irssi ;) |
| 01:34.07 | rubin110 | claint: Well considering I'm able to push considerably faster speeds through AFP and SCP, I think they're fast enouhg. :P |
| 01:34.22 | claint | rubin110: fair enough. |
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| 01:35.10 | rubin110 | This could totally also be just my Mac sucking at NFS4. |
| 01:35.23 | lwithers | ah I see, it can send emails but they don't ship a local MTA by default |
| 01:36.20 | rubin110 | Hurm, or this sync program I'm using... |
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| 01:38.12 | claint | rubin110: if it is local network, with gigabit speeds I use network block devices. (nbd) that's from linux to linux though. basically makes it a local drive over network. |
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| 01:39.52 | claint | rubin110: but then nfs is for sharing, nbd isn't, so it might not work for everyone. |
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| 01:45.39 | rubin110 | theole.org |
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| 01:46.32 | Bogus8 | lwithers: ONE more question... the raid came up but it showing one of my drives as a "spare"... obviously I don't want that... how do I fix it? I've googled and read man pages but still lost. |
| 01:46.41 | rubin110 | Sorry, wrong window. |
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| 01:51.14 | lwithers | Bogus8: try running mdadm --add <spare> |
| 01:51.30 | Bogus8 | lwithers: did that... it says "does not appaear to be an md device" |
| 01:51.33 | lwithers | otherwise, I'm not sure, but the man page for mdadm might be able to help you |
| 01:51.43 | lwithers | sorry, mdadm /dev/md0 --add <spare> |
| 01:51.48 | lwithers | with the correct devices ofc |
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| 01:51.54 | Bogus8 | lwithers: alright... I'll keep fighting. AH... stupid me! |
| 01:52.09 | lwithers | you could try to --remove it first before --add |
| 01:52.20 | Bogus8 | probably need to... says it's busy |
| 01:52.44 | Bogus8 | lwithers: BOOM!!! thanks man!! |
| 01:52.45 | Bogus8 | FINALLY |
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| 01:53.06 | claint | Bogus8: they started syncing huh? |
| 01:53.07 | Bogus8 | built raids a few times and there is ALWAYS something to getcha! |
| 01:53.17 | Bogus8 | claint: yeah... finally :) |
| 01:53.19 | lwithers | excellent :) I think it does the spare thing when you make a new RAID5 |
| 01:53.43 | goyangfc | is there a korean debian channel? |
| 01:53.49 | goyangfc | i know buntu has one, but not sure about debian |
| 01:53.55 | Bogus8 | lwithers: when I built it the first time it put it as a spare but added it after it was done (something about that supposed to be faster *shrug*) this time it just sat there. |
| 01:54.26 | Bogus8 | Just 750 mins to go now ;) |
| 01:55.46 | claint | Bogus8: how big are the drives? |
| 01:55.53 | Bogus8 | 2TB |
| 01:56.00 | Bogus8 | Actually it will be 1000 mins now |
| 01:56.09 | Bogus8 | took 16 hours last time I built it |
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| 01:56.54 | Bogus8 | Hmm... what was it that someone told me to watch for with these 2TB drives... something about 4k clusters or something... hmmm |
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| 01:57.00 | Bogus8 | better do some reading |
| 01:57.27 | lwithers | LWN has an article on that |
| 01:57.29 | claint | Bogus8: maybe inode size, if it is 4k. |
| 01:57.40 | Bogus8 | claint: Yeah, that was it |
| 01:57.46 | lwithers | Bogus8: http://lwn.net/Articles/377895/ |
| 01:57.51 | Bogus8 | it is 4k I believe... and they do some odd stuff |
| 01:57.56 | Bogus8 | lwithers: thanks... I'll give it a read! |
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| 01:59.13 | claint | ah I see, it is something else, not related to inodes at all. |
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| 01:59.36 | claint | BIOS needs to go away. |
| 02:01.15 | Bogus8 | hmm, am I too late in worrying about this... basically it looks like whatever I was supposed to do I should have already done huh? |
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| 02:01.27 | lwithers | Bogus8: yup, partition time if I'm not mistaken |
| 02:01.46 | Bogus8 | lwithers: well, not TOO late... I could just stop and start again here |
| 02:01.53 | Bogus8 | better than wasting another 16 hours ;) |
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| 02:02.09 | claint | I divy up partitions in big disks to managable sizes, so they don't take that long. |
| 02:02.17 | claint | but that is just me. |
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| 02:02.44 | lwithers | I guess lvm is meant to solve or help with that problem, but I've never looked at it |
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| 02:03.09 | claint | i had an adventure with lvm, but i am staying away from it since then. |
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| 02:04.47 | claint | not really sure if it is necessary anymore, with GPT and tools like gparted and all. |
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| 02:20.35 | wolfpython | the last line "#debian :http://www.debian.or " should be "#debian :http://www.debian.org", it cannot show the "g" . |
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| 02:38.12 | Delf | There.. |
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| 02:40.54 | Delf | So, how do I set a "custom" resolution. I say custom because EDID does not work in this case. |
| 02:42.42 | Delf | I've tried xrandr already. It tells me: http://dev.pastebin.it/mibd4r |
| 02:43.00 | Delf | Opps! Thats not what it tells me. It tells me: Size 1920x1080 not found in available modes |
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| 02:44.33 | cromson | hi |
| 02:44.45 | cromson | My ubuntu machine behaves rather strange.. It's set up as a NAS, running the latest ubuntu version, and it has samba installed. But since today my windows 7 machine refuses to resolve the "netbios name" nas. I have recently done "apt-get upgrade" and then moved the machine to another room. Before that it worked fine.. Does anyone have any suggestions? |
| 02:45.10 | daemonkeeper | !ubuntu |
| 02:45.11 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 02:45.13 | cromson | since debian and ubuntu is very closely related, I thougt I'd post the question here as well |
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| 02:46.00 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 02:46.21 | johnfg | what's the apt command, or aptitude that searches for files/pkgs? |
| 02:46.38 | johnfg | Is it apt-file? |
| 02:47.29 | Delf | Anyone please!? |
| 02:47.44 | daemonkeeper | Yes, apt-file. |
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| 02:47.57 | Delf | How to set a custom resolution that isn't reported by EDID? |
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| 02:51.43 | Delf | How do I add a mode in X11? |
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| 03:05.05 | nvz | makes me wonder what planet that guy was from... mentions EDID which makes me think he's from this century, but then mentions X11 manual modelines like he's clearly from the past |
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| 03:12.00 | InfectedSoul | Good evening i need to grab a package to make shoutcast work on a 64bit os anyone know the name of the package? |
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| 03:13.34 | nvz | InfectedSoul: you need linux-image-2.6-amd64 the OS will not work without a kernel |
| 03:13.42 | nvz | or do you care to be more specific? |
| 03:14.01 | InfectedSoul | i had the package before i just cant remember the dam name... |
| 03:14.10 | InfectedSoul | its like lib32bit or something |
| 03:14.13 | nvz | InfectedSoul: ia32libs |
| 03:14.15 | InfectedSoul | YES! |
| 03:14.19 | nvz | cheers |
| 03:14.19 | InfectedSoul | thats it :D |
| 03:14.21 | InfectedSoul | ty :D |
| 03:14.23 | Bogus8 | lwithers, claint: Wow... the 4k partitioning makes a HUGE difference... building the array will only take 360 mins now... vs 1000 minutes before! |
| 03:14.56 | nevyn | aligned writes good. |
| 03:14.59 | nvz | InfectedSoul: I probably should have deduced that.. but honestly you confused the shit out of me.. haha |
| 03:15.25 | nvz | is easily confused these days |
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| 03:17.14 | nvz | does anyone with experience with smartmontools grok anything more of this than I do? http://paste.debian.net/109617/ |
| 03:17.25 | nvz | seems to tell me what I already knew.. the drive is having read errors |
| 03:17.38 | nvz | but is that because the drive is dying, or due to something else altogether? |
| 03:19.02 | InfectedSoul | nvz is ia32libs for all platforms? i guess its centos this os is |
| 03:19.43 | karlpinc | Bogus8: I've not been following, but be sure to align the partitions on 4K boundries. |
| 03:19.57 | nvz | InfectedSoul: ah well ia32libs is generally used for 64bit OSes.. CentOS is offtopic here as it as not debian, but I will tell you what I know... |
| 03:20.09 | Bogus8 | karlpinc: that's what I just did... just use the fdisk -u and then start on sector 64... right? |
| 03:20.21 | nvz | InfectedSoul: you may only have a 64bit kernel and not actually a 64bit userland |
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| 03:20.38 | nvz | InfectedSoul: I really cannot help you any further cause I have no idea what you'd need to do if its not Debian |
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| 03:21.35 | nvz | InfectedSoul: I am not even sure how to tell what your useland architecture is outside of debian.. |
| 03:21.35 | InfectedSoul | yum install ia32-libs :P |
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| 03:22.11 | nvz | InfectedSoul: yeah, centos is a redhat based distro as I thought.. its not even based-on debian.. and here we only support Debian, cause its what we know and love |
| 03:22.41 | nvz | debian/rules.. if you don't believe me, check any debian source package! heh |
| 03:22.46 | karlpinc | nvz: I'm not an expert, but looks like the drive is failing. Getting read-errors and reallocating sectors. |
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| 03:23.34 | nvz | karlpinc: yeah I figured that and even have my tecnician senses tingling cause Vista crapped out before I put debian on, and the battery is DEAD which means it was likely abruptly shut off many times in the past.. |
| 03:24.17 | claint | nvz: sometimes things like bad power supplies can also mess with drive performance, just to keep in mind. |
| 03:24.19 | nvz | karlpinc: the drive is not making any funky sounds though and debian installed fine and I've been using it for a week or so with no issues... which kinda makes me wonder.. it must be in the very early stages of sickness.. haha |
| 03:24.21 | karlpinc | Bogus8: Sector 64 sounds right, assuming that the first sector is sector 1. But you also need to be sure that all partitions are multiples of 4K in size. (There's some stuff in the debian wiki viz changes in squeeze and what's new with regard to utilities that help with 4K alignment.) |
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| 03:24.47 | Bogus8 | karlpinc: I'm just doing one large partition on a 2tb drives |
| 03:25.17 | nvz | claint: well as I stated, the battery is completely dead.. the battery monitor toggles between sayingg "Fully charged (0%)" and "Charging" constantly |
| 03:25.24 | karlpinc | Bogus8: Note that you can raid the entire device, or partitions. (I tend to just use the whole drive for an lvm pv. Sometimes after raid1-ing the whole drive.) |
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| 03:25.57 | Bogus8 | karlpinc: I'm making partitions then putting them in the raid... not messing with lvms |
| 03:26.09 | reavengrey | Debian <3 |
| 03:26.30 | reavengrey | However at the moment, I am on Win 7 running irssi in cygwin :(( |
| 03:26.34 | reavengrey | Yarg! |
| 03:26.53 | nvz | reavengrey: ah. I remember those days.. now I refuse to use or support windows |
| 03:26.58 | karlpinc | Bogus8: Whatever floats your boat. I find lvm handy, for just such situations as nvz has now. If the drive is failing you install a new one and once up migrate all the existing partitioning to the new drive while the system is running. |
| 03:27.11 | reavengrey | Ya, but Internet Download Manager only works right on Windows |
| 03:27.22 | reavengrey | I'm thinking about writing my own REAL download manager for linux |
| 03:27.29 | nvz | reavengrey: sounds like something that isn't worth using |
| 03:27.35 | ranix_ | wtf download manager |
| 03:27.37 | claint | wth is a download manager? |
| 03:27.40 | reavengrey | Then I'll be independent of Windows pretty much |
| 03:27.40 | ranix_ | what does that even mean |
| 03:27.44 | hesco | building a new machine here, first boot after installing a hard drive built w/ base install on another machine. It found grub, but apparently my SystemMap is messed up for this configuration, Using grub's cli, I was able to boot it, but its in a busybox, apparently on the initrd's / file system. I tried cd /media/sda1/; pivot_root . /; but get pivot_root: Device or resource busy. Can anyone here please advise how to complete this task, |
| 03:27.45 | hesco | please? |
| 03:27.49 | reavengrey | Well, it's pretty cool in that it can catch donwload links |
| 03:27.52 | Bogus8 | karlpinc: I just had a bad experience with LVM's so now I have a bad taste. This has worked so far... I even had a two drive failure and got lucky and was able to recover! |
| 03:27.53 | reavengrey | From any application |
| 03:28.00 | nvz | lol |
| 03:28.10 | reavengrey | It can catch links for videos and stuff on sites that don't want you to download content, etc |
| 03:28.15 | nvz | and yes, I said "lol" cause this is tard talk going on.. |
| 03:28.17 | reavengrey | Great for stealing nice vids :/ |
| 03:28.23 | karlpinc | Bogus8: There's no substitute for backup. How did lvm fail you? |
| 03:28.27 | reavengrey | nvz: It's mah client!! |
| 03:28.29 | ranix | reavengrey: that's retarded |
| 03:28.46 | reavengrey | ranix: I'm a consumer, thank you |
| 03:28.52 | reavengrey | and I like beign able to take vids, etc |
| 03:28.56 | reavengrey | When the site doesn't want me to |
| 03:28.57 | Bogus8 | karlpinc: honestly, I don't remember any more haha... after I typed it I sat and thought about it and couldn't remember |
| 03:29.07 | reavengrey | How I choose to use mah comp is up to me thanks |
| 03:29.12 | nvz | I think we're just insulting retards here.. cause this is beyond retarded |
| 03:29.18 | karlpinc | hesco: You want to boot in rescue mode off an install disk on your new box, or somehow get up and chrooted into your drive. Then run "update-initramfs -u" to update the initramfs. Then it should boot. |
| 03:29.31 | nvz | reavengrey: you realize you can do all that shit in linux too right? |
| 03:29.31 | reavengrey | I know you are but what am I? :/ |
| 03:29.34 | reavengrey | No |
| 03:29.39 | reavengrey | The apps aren't there |
| 03:29.46 | karlpinc | reavengrey: What does a "download manager" have to do with any of that? |
| 03:29.48 | ranix | yeah you are free to do as much dumb stuff with your computer as you want to and I will defend your right to do it to the death |
| 03:29.49 | reavengrey | There's only one formally good download manager in Linux |
| 03:29.50 | nvz | THE apps arent, but ones that do the same thing are |
| 03:29.54 | reavengrey | Forgot the name |
| 03:29.56 | ranix | but it doesn't make it any less stupid |
| 03:30.10 | claint | sounds like trolling... |
| 03:30.11 | hesco | karlpinc: it won't boot from my usb drive, and building a disk on another machine seemed to be my only option. |
| 03:30.16 | reavengrey | It doesn't catch content from Firefox, and Chrome and literally every othe rbrowser in existence |
| 03:30.20 | karlpinc | reavengrey: What's a download manager? |
| 03:30.29 | reavengrey | a program that manages a list of downloads |
| 03:30.29 | nvz | claint: was just casual, it became trolling when we fed into it like dumb asses |
| 03:30.43 | reavengrey | But specializes in it |
| 03:31.10 | reavengrey | In my case, the one I like not only manages my downloads |
| 03:31.16 | reavengrey | But it also can be used to hook into programs |
| 03:31.17 | claint | reavengrey: whatever rocks your boat. |
| 03:31.20 | karlpinc | reavengrey: Ah. Specializes. Now I know exactly and can write one for you. |
| 03:31.22 | reavengrey | And catch downloads |
| 03:31.44 | reavengrey | claint: I'm glad you finally stopped calling me retarded for having a need :) |
| 03:32.12 | karlpinc | reavengrey: Go describe the program exactly. Then tell us where the description is. Then we can tell you how to meet your needs in Debian. If you don't want to describe your problem then go away. |
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| 03:32.18 | reavengrey | Umm... |
| 03:32.23 | reavengrey | I'm a programmer minds you |
| 03:32.27 | reavengrey | I can do it myself |
| 03:32.42 | nvz | you're just further proving this is trolling |
| 03:32.50 | ranix | you keep feeding it |
| 03:32.53 | reavengrey | Or rather, I came into the channel |
| 03:32.53 | karlpinc | hesco: What does the install guide say about various options? |
| 03:33.09 | reavengrey | And I made a statement, then you all latched onto it and got all fanatical |
| 03:33.09 | hesco | which install guide would that be? |
| 03:33.15 | karlpinc | hesco: There's pxeboot, but that can be a bit of a task to set up. |
| 03:33.19 | karlpinc | !tell hesco about ig |
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| 03:33.34 | ranix | there's a great guide to pxe booting on the syslinux site |
| 03:33.37 | ranix | let me see if I can find it |
| 03:33.38 | karlpinc | hesco: There's only one (for each arch :). |
| 03:33.49 | ranix | http://syslinux.zytor.com/wiki/index.php/PXELINUX |
| 03:33.50 | ranix | boom |
| 03:33.53 | nvz | reavengrey: well this is #debian.. we'd like to help you do what you want in Debian.. but you obviously don't mind keeping windows.. so we'll all just pretend we never said anything if thats the case |
| 03:33.58 | karlpinc | ranix: There's a guide in the install guide too. |
| 03:34.07 | ranix | this one is superior imo |
| 03:34.14 | reavengrey | Or rather, I use Win for certain programs, and I use Deb for my development |
| 03:34.14 | ranix | I didn't like the install guide |
| 03:34.20 | ranix | it was too debian-specific |
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| 03:34.38 | karlpinc | ranix: Well, it's a debian install guide. |
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| 03:35.09 | karlpinc | hesco: No usb boot. No cd I take it? |
| 03:35.11 | ranix | yeah but it doesn't take any extra effort to learn how pxe booting actually works, I think the install guide dumbs it down to a "follow these steps in order" process while this is a little more complete |
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| 03:35.34 | karlpinc | ranix: If you want to really understand read the rfcs. The're |
| 03:35.34 | hesco | I have a dvd on usb, but I could not get the BIOS to recognize it |
| 03:35.38 | karlpinc | there's no substitute. |
| 03:35.43 | nvz | PXE booting is scary at first.. but its really quite simple.. I love it |
| 03:35.59 | karlpinc | hesco: Did you try the netinstall? It's a lot smaller and the bios is less likely to have problems? |
| 03:36.11 | claint | yeah pxe is simple. also good for making diskless machines. |
| 03:36.15 | nvz | hesco: does your BIOS have something like a "press F11 to see boot menu" i.e. do you know it can boot from USB? |
| 03:36.22 | hesco | I built the drive on an x86, but this machine has twin 64 bit processors |
| 03:36.32 | karlpinc | hesco: We recommend the netinstall. For one thing when you're done you don't have to do more work and tell the system to get your software from the net instead of the install media. |
| 03:36.32 | nvz | hesco: because you should use unetbootin to strap your thumbdrive.. |
| 03:37.09 | karlpinc | nvz: The new install images should boot straight from usb. Although some have reported problems. |
| 03:37.18 | hesco | I've poked around on several occasions trying to get it to boot from a usb to no avail, I'm on to the next strategy now |
| 03:37.26 | nvz | karlpinc: just putting the ISO onto a thumbdrive? |
| 03:38.01 | karlpinc | nvz: Yes. See instructions in the install guide. (I've not done it or read it myself, but others here have said this is now available and there was mention in the release notes.) |
| 03:38.04 | hesco | I used the netinstall to build the sata drive whi9ch is running in the machine now |
| 03:38.18 | nvz | hesco: I didn't know BIOSes could read ISOs like that |
| 03:38.24 | karlpinc | hesco: Anyway, you're in busybox, right? |
| 03:38.25 | nvz | erm.. karlpinc even |
| 03:38.36 | hesco | my question is very specifically: How do I pivot_root to it from the busybox it booted to? |
| 03:38.40 | hesco | yes, busybox |
| 03:38.50 | hesco | presumably from the initrd |
| 03:38.56 | karlpinc | hesco: You find your root partition device and mount it. |
| 03:39.18 | karlpinc | hesco: You then chroot into the mount point. (chroot /mnt) |
| 03:39.27 | karlpinc | hesco: You then mount /boot. |
| 03:39.35 | nvz | chroot is not available in initramfs |
| 03:39.36 | karlpinc | hesco: You then run "update-initramfs -u". |
| 03:39.56 | karlpinc | nvz: Poo. |
| 03:40.04 | nvz | initramfs and busybox are two different things |
| 03:40.11 | nvz | initramfs uses pivot_root |
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| 03:40.47 | hesco | chroot gave me: can't access tty; job control turned off |
| 03:41.05 | nvz | you may need to bind /dev first |
| 03:41.15 | hesco | how do you mean? |
| 03:41.24 | nvz | mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev |
| 03:41.36 | hesco | ok, trying that now |
| 03:41.40 | karlpinc | nvz: That makes sense. |
| 03:41.45 | nvz | assiming your mount point it /mnt |
| 03:42.27 | nvz | karlpinc: don't tell anyone... I don't want people thinking I know what I'm talking about.. then they all want me to fix their computer.. heh |
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| 03:43.15 | karlpinc | nvz: I don't think the bios does iso, but the install images use syslinux and there's something going on that boots. |
| 03:43.53 | nvz | karlpinc: thats one of those things I will ignore and continue to do the old fashioned way(tm) until I see any good reason to try stuff that may or may not work |
| 03:43.55 | karlpinc | hesco: Anyhow, don't forget to umount everything, exit the chroot and umount just to clean up. Then you can reboot without worry. |
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| 03:46.52 | hesco | ok, I seem to be in the sata drive's root, have run the mount -o bind command, the update-initramfs -u command. |
| 03:47.17 | hesco | so you are saying I can now umount the old busybox /, or what exactly do I umount? |
| 03:47.26 | karlpinc | hesco: And you mounted /boot too, right? |
| 03:47.41 | hesco | everything is in one partition |
| 03:47.44 | nvz | hesco: you want to unmount your target filesystems |
| 03:47.49 | karlpinc | hesco: Ok good. |
| 03:47.51 | aquafina | hello. i am a debian newbie trying to install it on my laptop. i used a debian squeeze netinstall iso and then installed xfce. what other packages should i be installing for browser? i want thunderbird email to share with windows |
| 03:48.05 | nvz | hesco: i.e. exit the chroot and unmount the mountpoint you chrooted to |
| 03:48.09 | aquafina | hey nvz. i got the ntfs working last evening. can access my windows partitions good |
| 03:48.25 | nvz | aquafina: cool. |
| 03:48.26 | karlpinc | aquafina: Probably iceweasel. I think thunderbird is icedove? |
| 03:48.40 | aquafina | karlpinc: iceweasel? is that a browser? |
| 03:48.50 | karlpinc | !tell aquafina about iceweasel |
| 03:48.59 | karlpinc | !tell aquafina about overview |
| 03:49.06 | nvz | aquafina: iceweasel is firefox, we had to rebrand it due to lisc issues of the modified source |
| 03:49.06 | karlpinc | aquafina: ^^ FYI. |
| 03:49.16 | aquafina | oh |
| 03:49.32 | aquafina | karlpinc: i am installing a browser first so i can see those pages :) |
| 03:49.36 | karlpinc | !tell aquafina about why iceweasel |
| 03:49.42 | karlpinc | aquafina:) |
| 03:50.04 | aquafina | does google's chrome/chromium work in debian? |
| 03:50.30 | nvz | aquafina: yes but the packages are not in debian, you would need to get the appropriate debian packages from google. |
| 03:50.46 | aquafina | nvz: is there a way to apt-get install them? |
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| 03:51.13 | aquafina | i spent 2 hrs last evening getting comfortable with vi editor to change /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:51.14 | aquafina | :( |
| 03:51.21 | nvz | aquafina: technically yes.. because even when you install them manually it does something to your package system to make it be able to upgrade it.. but from my experience that doesn't work. |
| 03:51.23 | aquafina | well, and some other files as well |
| 03:52.12 | nvz | aquafina: there is a package called gdebi that gives you a graphical way to install downloaded 3rd party debs, but its simple as dpkg -i chrome.deb |
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| 03:52.35 | aquafina | nvz: okay. i'll check that. first let me install a browser and read the links you guys posted |
| 03:53.07 | aquafina | xfce is nice. but i need to put packages in it to do stuff. cant use my emails from the shared windows partition |
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| 03:53.44 | hesco | well, that all seemed to work, except on reboot I am left again at a grub cli |
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| 03:54.10 | nvz | hesco: then you failed to properly update and install grub |
| 03:54.15 | aquafina | try to install a browser and the biggest file is gnome-user-guide :) |
| 03:54.27 | nvz | aquafina: haha |
| 03:54.27 | froggyman | aquafina, If you don't want to use vi you could always use something like gedit |
| 03:54.51 | karlpinc | nvz, aquafina : chromium is in debian, in non-free I think, chromium-browser or some such. But surely not the latest stuff. |
| 03:54.52 | aquafina | froggyman: oh okay. i am just getting the hang of the system. didnt have gedit installed. will install it |
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| 03:55.19 | nvz | karlpinc: I thought chromium is what they were calling their OS and chrome was the browser |
| 03:55.19 | aquafina | karlpinc: how do i install "non-free"? or it is available in that link you posted? |
| 03:55.30 | karlpinc | aquafina: It's in the link. |
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| 03:55.41 | aquafina | yeah okay. i'll wait till the browser installs |
| 03:56.00 | froggyman | aquafina, Gedit is *really* easy to use. Its a graphical editor. But if you wanted to edit something you should just type "gedit /location/of/file" |
| 03:56.01 | karlpinc | nvz: I can't explain the package name, and may not have gotten it right. |
| 03:56.25 | aquafina | froggyman: i think it installs in gnome. i installed xfce. so gedit didnt install by default. i'll install it |
| 03:56.38 | karlpinc | thinks there's no excuse for using anything but emacs. Is remembering Ctrl-X, Ctrl-C so hard? That's the only thing you need to get going. |
| 03:56.53 | hesco | grub's cli is telling me it does not recognize the kernel command |
| 03:56.57 | aquafina | what's emac? |
| 03:57.06 | karlpinc | !tell aquafina about emacs |
| 03:57.09 | hesco | it did a few minutes ago, the first time I booted this |
| 03:57.14 | froggyman | karlpinc, I'm pretty sure chromium-browser is in free |
| 03:57.15 | aquafina | :( you're overloading me |
| 03:57.19 | karlpinc | aquafina: emacs and vi are the two "big" editors. |
| 03:57.44 | karlpinc | aquafina: If you're serious you use one or the other. |
| 03:57.50 | aquafina | yep! chromium-browser is in default. just installing it too |
| 03:58.31 | karlpinc | aquafina: Either way, you configure your shell to use the same keystrokes as your editor so that you can edit your command lines just like you'd edit any other sort of text. (And remember, the tab key is your friend!) |
| 03:58.37 | aquafina | also, is there a terminal program for the graphical interface with tabs? i dont want to open 3-4 windows each with the terminal |
| 03:59.16 | nvz | hesco: sounds to me like you failed to run update-grub and grub-install from the chroot before rebooting |
| 03:59.31 | aquafina | oh wow, what's with the browser fonts .. |
| 03:59.51 | nvz | aquafina: yes there is, but if you wanna be savvy you should learn to use screen instead |
| 03:59.54 | hesco | true, I had run those when the disk was still connected to my vm off my desktop connected with a usb adapter |
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| 04:00.02 | karlpinc | aquafina: The gnome and kde ones have tabs. (Real men use job control, but the young and hip use screen instead.) |
| 04:00.14 | aquafina | nvz: :/ |
| 04:00.25 | nvz | karlpinc: haha.. real men use job control.. you're a f'n moron.. |
| 04:01.25 | Internat | real men use the best tools that are there for them.. |
| 04:01.41 | aquafina | this epiphany browser is nice |
| 04:01.41 | nvz | aquafina: screen is nice because it can multiplex in the same window, has copy/paste facilities, can be detached, reattached, multi-attached... etc |
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| 04:01.46 | _44Kbps_ | hi |
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| 04:01.54 | nvz | ew, epiphany is gross |
| 04:01.59 | aquafina | i installed screen just now. will see what it does |
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| 04:02.10 | aquafina | i want to read a few pages and you confused me with icedove, and a weasel |
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| 04:02.40 | karlpinc | Internat: Exactly my point. |
| 04:02.53 | nvz | aquafina: screen is a behind the scenes kinda program.. its one of those things you don't even realize is there until you need it for something |
| 04:03.00 | aquafina | okay |
| 04:03.05 | Virca2161 | hello |
| 04:03.22 | nvz | aquafina: you gotta start it up though of course before you do anything for it to be useful. |
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| 04:03.38 | ranix | screen /dev/ttyS0 115200 |
| 04:03.43 | ranix | is the best screen |
| 04:03.52 | nvz | aquafina: basically when shit hits the fan, things like screen, irssi, links2..etc are your best friends |
| 04:03.59 | aquafina | i have another question .. in apt sources.list, i currently have "squeeze". what are the standard values it should have? i just checked this website which says "stable", "testing", "unstable" |
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| 04:04.24 | nvz | aquafina: squeeze is fine, but stable would mean the same thing |
| 04:04.46 | aquafina | nvz: ok, so stable = squeeze for now? |
| 04:04.48 | uoods | screen, vim, and irssi are worth their weights in gold |
| 04:04.57 | nvz | aquafina: the difference being.. in two years or so when the next stable release comes out, if it says "squeeze" you will continue to run squeeze |
| 04:05.00 | karlpinc | aquafina: But stable would fuck you when there's a new stable because you'd upgrade automatically and it probably would not work. |
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| 04:05.25 | karlpinc | aquafina: So say squeeze. |
| 04:05.27 | nvz | aquafina: yes you're better off manually changing it when that time comes if you wanna upgrade. |
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| 04:05.32 | aquafina | is there a testing and unstable as well? like if i put testing instead of squeeze, it would get me more updated packages, and if i put unstable, it will pull even more updated packages? but less guarantee of working? |
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| 04:06.07 | nvz | aquafina: yes, but testing and unstable break frequently and there is no pain like a broken package management system |
| 04:06.11 | aquafina | okay |
| 04:06.22 | karlpinc | aquafina: Read the DebianSoftware wiki page. Yes, you can get newer stuff with more breakage, and that works for some but there are various ways to use newer stuff with stable that does not break things. |
| 04:06.25 | aquafina | i was just trying to understand what they are. i'll stick with "stable" |
| 04:06.46 | nvz | aquafina: when you get your bearings you can easily run testing/unstable in a chroot or in virtualbox..etc.. and not risk screwing your whole system up |
| 04:07.11 | aquafina | i'm not sure i know what that means :p but i'll just nod my head |
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| 04:07.29 | mrdebuntu | would you like fries with that |
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| 04:08.07 | nvz | aquafina: Debian release cycle in short is new packages come into Unstable which is always called "Sid" and when they go like 10 days I think it is without release critical bugs they are moved to testing, when the entire testing distro (Wheezy currently) is free of RC bugs, it can be released as stable. |
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| 04:08.31 | aquafina | squee and whee. nice names |
| 04:08.45 | nvz | aquafina: usually prior to a release the testing is frozen (no new packages) to facilitate final bug squishing, and once its stable no changes are made other than security updates |
| 04:09.05 | mrdebuntu | why not use numbers |
| 04:09.08 | mrdebuntu | numbers are clean, objective, and professional |
| 04:09.24 | aquafina | what is "sid"? |
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| 04:09.45 | nvz | aquafina: all the names are after Toy Story characters.. so far there has been Bo, Rex, Buzz, Slink, Potato, Woody, Sarge, Etch, Lenny, Squeeze, Wheezy, and Sid |
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| 04:09.56 | nvz | aquafina: sid is the unstable branch |
| 04:09.59 | hesco | what sort of grub calls kernel an unknown command ???? |
| 04:10.11 | aquafina | oh. i remember woody and slink and rex. not the others |
| 04:10.21 | karlpinc | mrdebuntu: They have numbers too. |
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| 04:10.30 | nvz | mrdebuntu: in debian numbers are given to stable releases, the code names which are toy story characters, are used mostly for tracking development |
| 04:10.41 | mrdebuntu | sid is a wrestler for the wwe. psycho sid. sid vicious etc |
| 04:10.47 | mrdebuntu | nvz: ok. thanks |
| 04:10.48 | karlpinc | hesco: I'm not sure. |
| 04:11.12 | hesco | are there alternate ways to boot a kernel manually from grub, w/o a kernel command? |
| 04:11.15 | nvz | mrdebuntu: in this case its after the kid, Sid from the original Toy Story movie that breaks all the toys |
| 04:11.44 | nvz | mrdebuntu: "Sid" is where all debian's broken toys are |
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| 04:12.19 | mrdebuntu | oh cool |
| 04:12.24 | mrdebuntu | logical |
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| 04:12.42 | nvz | hesco: you actually type the name of the kernel followed by the command line if I recall correctly |
| 04:13.17 | hesco | as my desktop models it: kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet |
| 04:13.28 | hesco | with the kernel keyword at the start of the line |
| 04:13.44 | aquafina | is there a page where I can get what entries to put in the sources.list if i want specific packages? or just the main squeeze main will take care of all packages? |
| 04:13.46 | hesco | kernel worked for me on the first boot, but fails for me now |
| 04:13.57 | nvz | hesco: idk.. squeeze switched to grub2 by default and I'm not up to speed with it yet |
| 04:14.01 | karlpinc | hesco: Maybe it needs a "root" command first so it knows where the kernel is? (I'm not a grub2 sorta guy.) |
| 04:14.09 | mrdebuntu | does anyone have objective data showing any benefit to a dedicated video card accelerating the desktop faster than a decent integrated solution? |
| 04:14.39 | nvz | mrdebuntu: the difference is usally that a dedicated card has its own RAM and usually more powerful GPU |
| 04:14.49 | hesco | yes, I gave it a root (hd0,msdos1), command line completion suggested was the only partition to be found. |
| 04:14.51 | mrdebuntu | i mean in terms of speed |
| 04:14.54 | nvz | mrdebuntu: where as the integrated ones are usually slimmed down and share system memory |
| 04:15.01 | mrdebuntu | i know the technical differences in hardware |
| 04:15.12 | nvz | mrdebuntu: its hard to compare that because there aren't two that are the same.. |
| 04:15.17 | mrdebuntu | i think it makes a slight speed difference with compiz |
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| 04:15.52 | nvz | mrdebuntu: thats just the same as comparing nVidia's latest card to ATI's.. and all this is for ##hardware, not #debian |
| 04:15.55 | hesco | when it mounted it announced itself as ext2, but once booted and when I tried to mount -t ext2, it complained it was ext3, instead (which better matches my memory, I would have built either ext2 or reiserfs on that partition). |
| 04:16.04 | aquafina | is there any disadvantage to using xfce versus gnome? i like xfce but i have seen others use gnome. |
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| 04:16.30 | karlpinc | hesco: ext3 is ext2 with an added journal and can be mounted as ext2 if necessary. |
| 04:17.01 | nvz | aquafina: one disadvantage is I can't help you as much with it cause I don't use it.. heh. more people know how to support Gnome.. but other than that.. its a matter of preference |
| 04:17.04 | karlpinc | aquafina: It's all a matter of taste. |
| 04:17.11 | hesco | aquafina: I prefer xfce4 for its lightweight, but once you load up the libraries to support your favorite kde or gnome desktop gui tools, you've lost that advantage |
| 04:17.11 | nvz | aquafina: you can have both installed and switch from the login screen |
| 04:17.22 | aquafina | okay |
| 04:17.37 | aquafina | i dont have a login screen though. i login as aquafina and type "startx" |
| 04:17.37 | karlpinc | aquafina: I ditched gnome because it was too much of a hassle to get it to switch workspaces by bumping the screen edge with the mouse. |
| 04:18.01 | nvz | aquafina: well in that case you would just change your .Xsession or whatever file |
| 04:18.04 | karlpinc | aquafina: You can install xdm or gdm3 or kdm (iirc) and get a login screen. |
| 04:18.06 | aquafina | hesco: yep, i like xfce. and its mouse :) |
| 04:18.41 | nvz | I don't like DE's but GNOME is the one I loathe the least, personally |
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| 04:19.02 | r3m | Hi, I would like to use synergy. Ubuntu as the server and vista as the client. ssh tunnel will be available. On windows, the tunnel and the client will be launch automatically when you startup (putting this in the startup folder) but how i will be able to type the password (the client will not yet be launched) |
| 04:19.08 | nvz | I'm content with a console and screen or just sawfish if I run X, personally |
| 04:19.19 | aquafina | what's sawfish? |
| 04:19.22 | karlpinc | !tell r3m about ubuntu |
| 04:19.27 | nvz | aquafina: its a window manager |
| 04:19.41 | aquafina | nvz isnt gnome a window manager? |
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| 04:20.01 | nvz | aquafina: no GNOME is a Desktop Environment that uses Metacity as the default WM |
| 04:20.15 | nvz | aquafina: it used to use sawfish a few years ago |
| 04:20.25 | karlpinc | aquafina: Not really, it's a 'desktop', meaning it's got apps that integrate. Wm _just_ draw the windows and let you interact with them. |
| 04:20.26 | aquafina | nvz: oh. so a desktop environment can use multiple window managers? |
| 04:20.33 | nvz | aquafina: they dumped sawfish which is when I started hating GNOME at a personal level |
| 04:20.33 | aquafina | ok |
| 04:20.50 | nvz | aquafina: you can only use one WM but you can switch them at will and mix/match components |
| 04:21.15 | karlpinc | (But getting gnome to use anything but metacity is a pain in the ass.) |
| 04:21.23 | aquafina | i wish my internet was faster :( it is downloading packages at 130kB/s |
| 04:21.51 | nvz | aquafina: I'll give you a simple idea using KDE and GNOME that I know fairly well.. KDE uses Kicker for the panels, Kwin for the window manager and Konqueror for the file/web browser and Kdestop for the desktop icons.. |
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| 04:22.02 | karlpinc | aquafina: You may want to try a different mirror if you think it should be faster. |
| 04:22.14 | aquafina | karlpinc: no, it is my connection |
| 04:22.26 | nvz | aquafina: GNOME on the other hand uses gnome-panel for the panels, Metacity for the window manager, Nautilus for the file browing and the desktop, and Epiphany as the default web browser usually |
| 04:22.32 | aquafina | nvz: i dont like kde, but i get the idea. different apps to do different things in a desktop environment |
| 04:23.21 | aquafina | so, in xfce, or anything else, i would need a window manager, and a panel to minimize apps and see running apps |
| 04:23.24 | nvz | aquafina: well there are different approaches as I said.. cause in GNOME nautilus does both the file browser and the desktop icons, but is not a web browser.. in KDE konqueror does file browsing and web browsing but is not a desktop program |
| 04:23.34 | aquafina | and can use any program for file management .. |
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| 04:23.49 | karlpinc | hesco: I can't think of any other options but put it back in the other box and fix grub. If it won't boot and you've no other way to boot I see no other options. :-P |
| 04:24.00 | nvz | aquafina: really all you need is a window manager if its a good one.. the rest is all optional |
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| 04:24.09 | aquafina | nvz: yep, i get it |
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| 04:24.31 | aquafina | xfce is a desktop environment then. its got a panel and other utils built in. just different from gnome |
| 04:24.35 | nvz | aquafina: sawfish for example is a fully featured window manager, as is ION, or blackbox.. |
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| 04:25.01 | Taram | moin & helau |
| 04:25.11 | nvz | Metacity is just a pile of crap IMHO and you'd be hardpressd to use X with only Metacity |
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| 04:26.07 | karlpinc | !tell Taram about fr |
| 04:26.28 | nvz | isn't moin also a program or package of some kind? |
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| 04:26.43 | karlpinc | nvz: A wiki. Means quick in french, I think. |
| 04:27.09 | nevyn | umm not french.. |
| 04:27.33 | nvz | french would |
| 04:27.41 | nevyn | wiki wiki is hawaian |
| 04:27.42 | nvz | 've been my first guess too |
| 04:28.02 | nvz | nevyn: we were talking about "moin" |
| 04:28.18 | karlpinc | I thought we were talking about debian. |
| 04:28.25 | nvz | its hard to tell |
| 04:29.03 | nevyn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki means quick in hawaian. |
| 04:29.09 | nvz | #debian is like the wonka-vator sometimes |
| 04:29.28 | nvz | goes up, down, and side ways |
| 04:29.33 | nevyn | totally |
| 04:29.36 | nvz | heh |
| 04:30.23 | nvz | usually on any day other than sunday it finds its way back to some sort of normality fairly easily |
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| 04:31.56 | nvz | personally its when everyone shuts up at once that I get weirded out.. cause I'm probably one of the few people who comes here with absolutely nothing better to do |
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| 04:37.04 | aquafina | hehe nvz |
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| 04:37.34 | nvz | its true though.. most people who spend as much time here as I do are all busy doing stuff.. |
| 04:37.47 | nvz | I'm literally sitting here waiting for questions to answer most of the time |
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| 04:38.11 | nevyn | heh |
| 04:38.12 | in2tactics | that's all i do here... except most of the time i'm not paying attention until after it's too late |
| 04:38.25 | nevyn | I lurk here most of the time |
| 04:38.35 | nevyn | and on the official #debian as well. |
| 04:38.56 | nvz | bah.. I don't like it there.. heh.. only when I'm REALLY bored to I go to OFTC |
| 04:39.08 | nvz | this is and always has and will be #debian to me |
| 04:39.31 | nvz | its a little weird ever since we lost lilo, but its still home as far as I'm concerned |
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| 04:40.00 | aquafina | there is an official debian channel? |
| 04:40.22 | nvz | aquafina: irc.debian.org used to redirect to irc.freenode.net it now redirects to irc.oftc.net |
| 04:40.44 | aquafina | nvz oh. i joined irc.freenode.net directly |
| 04:41.02 | nvz | aquafina: this channel is larger and more experienced if you ask me.. the OFTC crowd are a buncha tree huggin pussies.. haha |
| 04:41.08 | aquafina | nvz i got a question. how do i fix the fonts on my screen? |
| 04:41.11 | aquafina | they look weird :( |
| 04:41.16 | aquafina | as in not smooth and sharp |
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| 04:41.25 | nvz | aquafina: not sure... fonts were never my specialty |
| 04:41.29 | aquafina | and if i am going to look at the screen long, the eyes will hurt |
| 04:41.34 | in2tactics | on ur console? |
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| 04:41.41 | opengeard | Does anyone have a correct sources.list from squeeze? |
| 04:41.42 | aquafina | console, browser, everywhere |
| 04:41.45 | nvz | aquafina: are you using an LCD? |
| 04:41.47 | aquafina | in2tactics: ^^ |
| 04:41.49 | aquafina | yes, nvz |
| 04:41.51 | aquafina | it is a laptop |
| 04:42.00 | nvz | might be the resolution is wrong.. idk |
| 04:42.03 | in2tactics | ur probably not in the native resolution |
| 04:42.11 | aquafina | nope, the resolution is correct. 1366x768 |
| 04:42.14 | aquafina | i checked that already |
| 04:42.37 | nvz | hmm thats an odd resolution |
| 04:42.49 | aquafina | yes, you get that with these new dell laptops |
| 04:42.55 | in2tactics | that's the normal these days |
| 04:42.59 | nvz | haha.. I wouldn't know |
| 04:43.08 | in2tactics | they ditched the whole 1280x800 |
| 04:43.08 | nvz | I'm on an IBM Thinkpad T41 |
| 04:43.14 | aquafina | well, it is not new. 1 year old atleast |
| 04:43.22 | nvz | you know.. when IBM still made personal computers.. |
| 04:43.27 | aquafina | hehe |
| 04:43.48 | aquafina | lenovo was still making it for them back then, i think |
| 04:44.08 | opengeard | Hey room! |
| 04:44.22 | nvz | idk I never heard of Lenovo until they took over IBMs personal computer devision |
| 04:44.23 | opengeard | What's the deal with squeeze? |
| 04:44.46 | nvz | opengeard: its Debian 6.0, a.k.a. awesomeness |
| 04:45.01 | aquafina | oh. i read somewhere that they had been manufacturing the ibm laptops etc for ages, with ibm branding before ibm sold it |
| 04:45.33 | nvz | aquafina: idk, maybe.. all I know is I love the Thinkpads.. they are great |
| 04:45.33 | opengeard | nvz: what's awesome about broken apt? |
| 04:45.47 | nvz | opengeard: you say broken apt, I say broken user |
| 04:45.50 | opengeard | nvz: trying to pull systemd to no avail. |
| 04:46.01 | in2tactics | i thought lenovo was bought by IBM and is simply the subsidiary responsible for their notebooks |
| 04:46.05 | nvz | opengeard: you could be specific and ask a question or we can keep playing games |
| 04:46.05 | opengeard | nvz: broken unhelpful room, fuck you. |
| 04:46.16 | opengeard | nvz: i ask 3x. |
| 04:46.41 | nvz | opengeard: ah, that was hours ago.. when I wasn't looking |
| 04:46.42 | opengeard | specifically... a functional sources.list. |
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| 04:47.15 | {Fah-Q} | regarding fonts, check out the tt-mscorefonts-installer |
| 04:47.18 | aquafina | i am using squeeze, it came with a functional sources.list and it works just fine |
| 04:47.18 | opengeard | nvz: the shit is broken yo. Try to install 6.0.0 from the amd64 dvd iso. |
| 04:47.38 | aquafina | oh. i used the amd64 bit business card iso |
| 04:47.38 | opengeard | Install from CD media. It is broken. |
| 04:47.42 | aquafina | worked fien though |
| 04:47.44 | opengeard | (virtual iso hopefully) |
| 04:47.47 | aquafina | oos then, opengeard .. that would suck |
| 04:48.12 | aquafina | {Fah-Q}: okay. i'll install that package after i'm done with upgrading |
| 04:48.13 | in2tactics | see i'm not running squeeze yet... why fix what isn't broken? |
| 04:48.26 | aquafina | its running fine, in2tactics :) |
| 04:48.31 | aquafina | i just installed it 2 nights ago |
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| 04:48.41 | nvz | opengeard: well I am totally lost on what your current and specific issue is.. and it seems to me like you'd rather just be mad than fix it |
| 04:48.52 | in2tactics | i had shoulder surgery a few weeks back and i'm not in the mood to do battle with my pc at the moment |
| 04:49.06 | opengeard | nvz: you're just a dick, but that's okay. it's still broken. |
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| 04:49.14 | nvz | opengeard: it seems like from the backlog, you did get it installed |
| 04:49.23 | bezao | cant i say to apt-get instala apache in /bla/apache instead of the default path? |
| 04:49.48 | claint | opengeard: http://paste.debian.net/109619/ |
| 04:49.48 | claint | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:49.49 | opengeard | installed does not mean functional. |
| 04:50.03 | nvz | opengeard: yeah, I'm a dick.. but that doesn't change the fact that you're the one with a problem, and I'm a linux certified user of debian with 10+ years experience that can probably help you if you tell me what is wrong |
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| 04:50.19 | opengeard | certified my ass |
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| 04:50.49 | aquafina | how hard is it to create a source.list? it is just 1 line! |
| 04:50.57 | stultus | lol |
| 04:50.57 | opengeard | i look at people with certifications and discard those resumes. |
| 04:51.22 | opengeard | sources.list is multiple lines, genius |
| 04:51.31 | aquafina | it doesnt need to be |
| 04:51.37 | aquafina | you can just have 1 line and it works fine. |
| 04:51.47 | bezao | cant i say to apt-get instala apache in /bla/apache instead of the default path? |
| 04:51.51 | aquafina | atleast for the essential packages. and you wouldnt call it broken that way |
| 04:51.51 | opengeard | and sometimes some people build from source and that requires double the number of lines |
| 04:52.06 | aquafina | building from source? needs a line in sources.list? |
| 04:52.21 | nvz | aquafina: yes there are deb-src lines to install source packages |
| 04:52.28 | opengeard | i can act like a dick because i do know what the fuck i'm talking about. |
| 04:52.47 | aquafina | if you were someone who is building from source, you'd know what to fix instead of ranting :) |
| 04:52.57 | bezao | ANYONE ?! cant i say to apt-get instala apache in /bla/apache instead of the default path? |
| 04:52.57 | opengeard | there are two serious issues with squeeze out of the box |
| 04:53.34 | claint | opengeard: file up a bug report for serious issues. |
| 04:53.36 | opengeard | i'd rather browbeat people into a flamewar into fixing their shitty code because that's a bunch more fun. |
| 04:53.49 | aquafina | then dont use it |
| 04:53.53 | nvz | well at least we know why you're here then |
| 04:54.13 | bezao | cant i say to apt-get instal apache in /bla/apache instead of the default path? |
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| 04:54.50 | claint | bezao: not that i know of. why do you need to install apache in a weird directory? |
| 04:55.11 | bezao | apache is just an example... let's imagine that is mysql or another database |
| 04:55.49 | nvz | bezao: are you talking the package itself or just the HTTP root, or the place the databases go.. etc? |
| 04:56.11 | nvz | bezao: one is a matter of a chroot install, the other is a matter of configuration |
| 04:56.23 | aquafina | i think he's asking about installing packages to his favourite locations instead of the defaults |
| 04:56.26 | bezao | i can download mysql-server.tar.gz and tell it to isntall at some path right? can i do the same with apt-get?! |
| 04:56.35 | nvz | aquafina: which is not a good idea for many reasons |
| 04:56.43 | opengeard | jclaint: i've given you the gift of feedback, the rest is up to you. |
| 04:57.04 | nvz | bezao: yes, if you create a chroot.. otherwise you're fundamentally breaking the package system |
| 04:57.04 | opengeard | good luck with this... i'm switching to ubuntu lts. |
| 04:57.05 | bezao | doesnt matter for me, hehe sorry, but i just need to know, if i can or not! and how! |
| 04:57.30 | nvz | opengeard: thats what its there for.. enjoy |
| 04:57.30 | opengeard | ubuntu is much more helpful. |
| 04:57.43 | nvz | nobody can help you when you will not state the problem |
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| 04:57.46 | claint | bezao: the idea behind a distribution is a concensus on where specific programs go. if you want to put programs in your favorite places, you need to decide if you want to get on with the game. you can also always make links. |
| 04:57.57 | uoods | oh hey it'sthe weekend, no wonder so many trolls are out |
| 04:58.04 | nvz | haha |
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| 04:58.17 | in2tactics | uoods: LOL |
| 04:58.19 | nvz | that guy was cool.. I wanna be just like him when I turn 13.. |
| 04:58.28 | nvz | oh wait... I'm already older than that.. |
| 04:58.36 | Zao | Seems like I've got to tune my highlighting. bez'ao triggers it :D |
| 04:59.28 | nvz | Zao: yeah well mine is not that sensitive cause of things like Openvz.. *sigh* |
| 04:59.51 | Zao | Heh. |
| 05:00.32 | in2tactics | personally i'm a big fan of irssi + screen |
| 05:00.34 | nvz | and still my brain triggers when people say openvz |
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| 05:00.48 | nvz | irssi + screen ftw! |
| 05:00.55 | nvz | using it right now.. |
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| 05:01.00 | in2tactics | ^^ |
| 05:01.01 | homie | oh man, starting compiz kills kwin and kwin does not come back until i start it manually |
| 05:01.25 | karlpinc | claint: That sounds like the idea behind the <fhs>. |
| 05:01.25 | in2tactics | i just find that switch from pc to pc is so nice via SSH |
| 05:01.38 | nvz | that sucks.. unfortunately eyecandy is not my specialty |
| 05:01.54 | aquafina | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:02.05 | aquafina | rather better font rendering/anti aliasing on the screen |
| 05:02.10 | nvz | yeah I went to the store earlier and took it with me on my droid |
| 05:02.26 | in2tactics | ya that is the most amazing feature |
| 05:03.04 | nvz | speaking of which.. where the hell is my phone.. |
| 05:03.10 | in2tactics | :) |
| 05:03.25 | in2tactics | i'm waiting for one of the new dual-core androids to come out |
| 05:03.40 | in2tactics | i'm still rocking the MyTouch 3G POS |
| 05:04.05 | nvz | I just got mine for free a few days ago.. its the old Samsung Moment.. doesn't even have multitouch |
| 05:04.22 | claint | who has debian on their old android phone? |
| 05:04.22 | nvz | and I just found it picking up the blanket next to me and it went flying across the room |
| 05:04.30 | in2tactics | nice |
| 05:04.35 | nvz | I thought about putting debian on it |
| 05:04.36 | Holborn | aquafina: by default fontconfig dont use bitmap fonts ... if you want to use a wonder font like fixed-misc for you favorite X term you need to change the link located in /etc/fonts/conf.d 70-no-bitmaps.conf for 70-yes-bitmaps.conf |
| 05:04.37 | aquafina | did it disintegrate? |
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| 05:05.14 | nvz | finally someone that knows fonts |
| 05:05.17 | aquafina | Holborn: i want to use the normal fonts. i just want them to look nice. kinda like the difference when sub pixel hinting is enabled for LCDs |
| 05:05.29 | aquafina | i am fine with the monospace and sans fonts |
| 05:05.50 | aquafina | though i just installed the msttcorefonts |
| 05:06.41 | Holborn | well ... personally I need to use fixed-misc for terminals ... I dont like any other :-) ... but .. for taste are colours :-) |
| 05:06.42 | nvz | fonts confused the hell out of me when I started using linux ages ago.. and I just never tried using them since.. I just use whatever is already setup.. heh |
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| 05:07.52 | claint | i always install some font packages for coding and what not. |
| 05:08.09 | aquafina | coding in comic-sans |
| 05:08.27 | in2tactics | interesting choice but to each their own |
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| 05:09.15 | aquafina | what is a good "remote desktop" and "vnc" client to install? |
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| 05:10.22 | nvz | aquafina: vinagre is what comes with a standard desktop install (gnome) |
| 05:10.39 | aquafina | nvz: okay |
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| 05:11.16 | aquafina | getting to know the equivalent names of packages from windows is difficult |
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| 05:11.32 | nevyn | aquafina: ssh X |
| 05:11.39 | nevyn | and xming |
| 05:11.45 | in2tactics | i always found that using SSH and nano was my prefered way of coding remotely |
| 05:11.59 | aquafina | i am just starting out, nevyn :) half of that doesnt make sense to me |
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| 05:12.06 | aquafina | but i'll get there. soon |
| 05:12.16 | Holborn | I use joe :-) |
| 05:12.32 | in2tactics | i've heard good things about joe |
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| 05:12.54 | nevyn | aquafina: X11 is the gui system on linux. |
| 05:13.01 | nevyn | it's network independant |
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| 05:13.09 | aquafina | what's xming? |
| 05:13.17 | nevyn | an X server for windows. |
| 05:13.31 | hesco | on my new box, now that I did the grub-install again from the vm, and re-installed that drive into the new box, I'm seeing only lo at ifconfig. /proc/net/dev lists eth0 and eth1, but all the entries are zeros. |
| 05:13.41 | aquafina | no, i will be using linux on the laptop. just wanted a tool to connect to other windows computers wither with vnc or remote desktop |
| 05:13.50 | in2tactics | i think u can ssh x11 too |
| 05:13.54 | aquafina | to access remote linux machine, ssh is okay. |
| 05:13.58 | nevyn | that direction. |
| 05:14.00 | hesco | This is used equipment. Are there any other tests I ought to try before giving up on this hardware? |
| 05:14.09 | SerajewelKS | aquafina: rdesktop is an rdp client for linux, if that's what you're asking about |
| 05:14.10 | claint | hesco: what do you see when you try ifconfig -a |
| 05:14.23 | aquafina | SerajewelKS: i'll install that too. can id do vnc as well? |
| 05:14.24 | SerajewelKS | aquafina: it can connect to windows boxen that expose an rdp (remote desktop) server |
| 05:14.29 | SerajewelKS | aquafina: no |
| 05:14.30 | Holborn | yes ... ssh for linux and rdesktop for RDP :-) |
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| 05:14.39 | SerajewelKS | aquafina: you'll want vncviewer for that |
| 05:14.39 | nevyn | hesco: try with -a |
| 05:14.50 | aquafina | SerajewelKS: okay. let me install that.just installed somethign called vinagre, let me check it first |
| 05:15.03 | SerajewelKS | aquafina: the VNC and RDP protocols are very different. it doesn't make sense to have one program that can do both. |
| 05:15.13 | hesco | claint, nevyn: thanks, with -a I see both eth0 and eth1 |
| 05:15.23 | hesco | dhclient got me nowhere |
| 05:15.29 | aquafina | SerajewelKS: hm, okay. vinagre seems to have support to vnc and ssh |
| 05:15.34 | aquafina | i'll installed the rdesktop client |
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| 05:15.37 | SerajewelKS | aquafina: vinagre i believe wraps other VNC and RDP tools so it looks like it's one program that does both VNC and RDP, when it's actually just kind of a meta-program |
| 05:15.38 | aquafina | install* |
| 05:15.41 | hesco | do I need to manually configure these? |
| 05:16.03 | SerajewelKS | aquafina: or maybe i'm thinking of something else |
| 05:16.11 | nvz | hesco: man 5 interfaces |
| 05:16.17 | hesco | I have to reread the man page every time I do that, I use those options so infrequently |
| 05:16.50 | SerajewelKS | hesco: have you tried 'ifup eth0' or 'ifup eth1' yet? |
| 05:18.03 | aquafina | yay. chromium-browser upgraded |
| 05:18.14 | aquafina | dont want to deal with iceweasel and icedove confusion |
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| 05:19.16 | SerajewelKS | confusion? |
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| 05:20.05 | aquafina | those names confused me, SerajewelKS |
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| 05:20.55 | SerajewelKS | do you know what they are now? |
| 05:21.24 | claint | aquafina: actually the same "confusion" is also in google-chrome being called chromium-browser. |
| 05:22.02 | SerajewelKS | aquafina: choosing software based on what it is named seems like a poor decision-making system to me |
| 05:22.14 | aquafina | claint: yeah. i had installed both. chromium-browser installed version 9.x and the dev channel from google is 11 something |
| 05:22.31 | aquafina | SerajewelKS: no. i want to install one consistent browser across windows and linux so i can share my bookmarks etc |
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| 05:22.44 | aquafina | SerajewelKS: not sure whether it will work across firefox/iceweasel. |
| 05:23.06 | MrFrood | claint: that is because chromium-browser is not the same as google-chrome |
| 05:23.22 | SerajewelKS | aquafina: what synchronization system are you using? |
| 05:23.27 | claint | MrFrood: yeah, that too. |
| 05:23.45 | SerajewelKS | aquafina: remember that iceweasel is just rebranded firefox. the name is the only difference. |
| 05:23.48 | aquafina | SerajewelKS: lastpass for passwords, and delicious for bookmarks |
| 05:23.53 | un214 | haha I had a character called aguafina for a bit |
| 05:24.03 | SerajewelKS | aquafina: i use delicious from both firefox and iceweasel with no problems at all |
| 05:24.06 | aquafina | SerajewelKS: the firefox plugins will work fine on iceweasel? |
| 05:24.06 | un214 | bah |
| 05:24.12 | SerajewelKS | aquafina: yes |
| 05:24.14 | un214 | iceweasel has bugs firefox doesn't have |
| 05:24.42 | aquafina | SerajewelKS: okay. then i'll look at it. i installed epiphany-browser first but then google chrome |
| 05:24.45 | MrFrood | un214: such as..? |
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| 05:25.06 | SerajewelKS | un214: linux has bugs windows doesn't have, windows has bugs linux doesn't have, OOo on windows and OOo on linux have had bugs separate from each other in the past... what's your point? |
| 05:25.57 | un214 | MrFrood: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=603885 |
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| 05:26.58 | claint | un214: that bug is also in firefox pre 3.6 |
| 05:27.11 | un214 | oh that's why |
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| 05:28.33 | un214 | I'm glad somebody finally recognized it |
| 05:28.43 | MrFrood | un214: nothing there saying the bug is not in the same version of FF |
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| 05:29.45 | un214 | as if I was going to go out of my way to try an older (and security holed) version just to find out |
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| 05:31.46 | MrFrood | backports is the place for newer versions of iceweasel |
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| 05:32.04 | sontek | Right now when I try to login with gdm it blinks and then goes back to gdm, I can't figure out why its broken |
| 05:32.12 | sontek | I can turn gdm off and 'startx' and get into gnome just fine |
| 05:32.53 | MrFrood | not that I normally bother - I just use iceweasel for web-site testing |
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| 05:33.21 | aquafina | what's a good GUI mp3 player? |
| 05:33.22 | nvz | sontek: /var/log/gdm/ |
| 05:33.32 | SerajewelKS | aquafina: define "good" |
| 05:34.04 | aquafina | SerajewelKS: well, any. right now i have 3 packages under multimedia - aumix, mixer and xfburn |
| 05:34.17 | MrFrood | sontek: pastebin your xinit type files |
| 05:34.19 | aquafina | it should have a playlist function and play mp3s and CDs |
| 05:34.21 | SerajewelKS | aquafina: none of which will do anything related to playing anything |
| 05:34.30 | hesco | SerajewelKS: thanks for advice. I have an auto lo eth0 line in /etc/network/interfaces; running ifup eth0 or ifup -a yields No dush device errors ifconfig shows only the lo device. |
| 05:34.33 | un214 | how to get java 6 plugin working on firefox? |
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| 05:34.49 | aquafina | SerajewelKS: yep. those were the ones that came with the default xfce4 install |
| 05:34.53 | SerajewelKS | aquafina: banshee is similar to iTunes -- it will do that and quite a lot more |
| 05:35.20 | aquafina | SerajewelKS: something a lil lighter? |
| 05:35.22 | SerajewelKS | aquafina: if you are scared of zomg microsoft technology, you might want to stay away from it though. i know a lot of people who subscribe to that FUD. |
| 05:35.23 | claint | aquafina: banshee, amarok are sort all your music out kind of applications. |
| 05:35.36 | MrFrood | aquafina: not gui but moc has the best audio quality of the ones I've tried |
| 05:35.36 | SerajewelKS | aquafina: uhm... totem? |
| 05:35.49 | sontek | nvz: MrFrood: I believe I screwed up the bcm5974 driver, but I don't know how to restore to the standard kernel |
| 05:36.06 | MrFrood | SerajewelKS: totom poor audio quality |
| 05:36.07 | claint | MrFrood: how come it has best audio quality? does it use different libraries? |
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| 05:36.23 | SerajewelKS | aquafina: rhythmbox is somewhat lighter than banshee, but AIUI, development has stalled |
| 05:36.27 | aquafina | thanks guys, let me install one two of them |
| 05:36.29 | nvz | un214: firefox isn't in debian, and installing sun-java6-plugin does it for iceweasel and all other browsers that ARE in debian |
| 05:36.29 | SerajewelKS | MrFrood: based on what evidence? |
| 05:36.48 | SerajewelKS | MrFrood: i have not noticed any appreciable difference between totem, banshee, vlc, or CLI players like mpg321/ogg123 |
| 05:37.08 | SerajewelKS | MrFrood: in terms of audio quality, of course |
| 05:37.20 | nvz | sontek: amd64, i386? |
| 05:37.31 | un214 | nvz: unfixed bug in iceweasel you saw the link |
| 05:37.57 | aquafina | let me reboot. have installed a lot of updates. |
| 05:38.08 | sontek | nvz: This is a 64bit machine but I've got i386 installed on it because some things still don't work well in 64bit |
| 05:38.13 | nvz | un214: I seen the link but didnt visit it.. I was busy reading manpages.. heh |
| 05:38.18 | MrFrood | evidence = my ears - the libaries make a differance anything using the gstream back end is pretty terrible in my book, the two best I've tried are moc and mplayer |
| 05:38.40 | nvz | sontek: you can still use a 64bit kernel if you want.. that has little to do with your userland unless you are using fglrx |
| 05:38.43 | sontek | nvz: the logs in /var/log/gdm are confusing, not sure what to look for... I looked at :0.log while starting gdm and logging in and nothing interesting poppped up |
| 05:38.55 | MrFrood | vlc is OK too |
| 05:39.14 | SerajewelKS | MrFrood: i don't know what version of gstreamer you were using but i've noticed no difference in audio quality between gstreamer-based applications and vlc |
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| 05:39.49 | sontek | nvz: which one would I use? I've got an intel core i5 |
| 05:39.51 | nvz | I think he's imagining it too, but I hate gstreamer so I'm just gonna let him badmouth it |
| 05:39.55 | SerajewelKS | MrFrood: perhaps the gstreamer autoaudiosink just incorrectly detected the sample rate of your audio card and was downsampling everything |
| 05:40.01 | claint | nvz: :) |
| 05:40.09 | SerajewelKS | nvz: funny, as a developer i quite like it :) |
| 05:40.23 | MrFrood | is your computer plugged into £5,000's worth of hifi? |
| 05:40.24 | nvz | SerajewelKS: naturally.. as a user I hate it |
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| 05:41.09 | MrFrood | trust me there is a differance |
| 05:41.14 | sontek | I think i'm just going to re-install and hope I don't screw it up this time :P I was trying to get the bcm5974-dkms kernel module installed |
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| 05:41.28 | SerajewelKS | MrFrood: no, but i have some nice headphones, and i can't tell the difference between the two. but based on what you're telling me, the average user won't give a shit. |
| 05:41.42 | nvz | sontek: you don't need to reinstall the whole system to reinstall the kernel, and broadcom stuff is evil |
| 05:41.54 | claint | actually, prefer the others over gstreamer as well. but that is just me. |
| 05:41.56 | SerajewelKS | hesco: hmm, that's odd |
| 05:42.11 | sontek | nvz: I tried aptitude reinstall linux-image and it didn't help |
| 05:42.11 | SerajewelKS | MrFrood: have you considered filing defect reports? |
| 05:42.40 | aquafina | installs lyx |
| 05:42.45 | nvz | sontek: well its your call if you wanna reinstall the OS or sit here troubleshooting |
| 05:42.59 | sontek | nvz: the problem with this broadcom driver is that what is shipped with the linux kernel doesn't work well for macbooks, since they are multitouch, so the dkms driver fixes that |
| 05:43.03 | sontek | but debian doesn't ship it |
| 05:43.24 | sontek | nvz: I'd love to troubleshoot it :} |
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| 05:43.31 | MrFrood | SerajewelKS: he asked what was good, audio quality is an aspect of that, but yeas the average usere thinks standard ipod heaphones are good |
| 05:43.37 | nvz | sontek: ah.. well at least now I know what we're talking about.. |
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| 05:44.08 | sontek | So the only thing I was trying to do was get the ability to click with one finger and drag with the other :P |
| 05:44.17 | sontek | thats the only thing that driver really fixes for me :P |
| 05:45.33 | nvz | sontek: info is here I'd have to read and learn it just the same as you to help.. http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook |
| 05:46.12 | hesco | where would nic device drivers be in the file system, please? |
| 05:46.27 | sontek | nvz: I read all that, it doesn't work, but figured out what is wrong with the system, its not the bcm stuff |
| 05:46.35 | sontek | nvz: its my user, I created a new user and he can login |
| 05:46.45 | sontek | so some how my homedir is corrupted |
| 05:46.50 | nvz | sontek: because he either doesnt have or cannot access his homedir |
| 05:46.55 | nvz | right.. |
| 05:47.18 | sontek | nvz: but I read that wiki page and the MacBookPro wii page and the both point towards similar stuff but they are out dated and don't work |
| 05:47.33 | sontek | nvz: the dkms stuff the point to is a ppa for ubuntu intrepid |
| 05:48.25 | sontek | nvz: So I tried pulling the driver for usbhid and bcm5974 and compiling them myself, the are full debian packages so I just had to do dpkg-buildpackage, which generates a .deb, but then dpkg -i generates build errors |
| 05:48.32 | aquafina | does stellarium work on debian? |
| 05:48.58 | MrFrood | SerajewelKS: no to the defect reports, converting a digital file to audio is one of compermise - the differnt backends provide user choice - I have moc set to use some high quality but cpu intensive option, this is an example of how linux is good by offering choice |
| 05:49.31 | nvz | sontek: idk.. its all foreign to me.. I wasn't even aware there was such a thing.. |
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| 05:52.42 | sontek | weird, in .xsession-errors i'm getting errors about bash completion |
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| 05:53.29 | sontek | shopt not found (even though it is, I can run it), [[: not found |
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| 05:54.28 | sontek | I think gdm is loading up some weird bash alternative thats trying to source my .bashrc (which is wrote for bash itself) |
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| 05:55.00 | aquafina | Does CPU freq scaling work automatically in linux? Like, I am running it on my laptop, will the CPU scale down to a lower clock speed? Cos i can hear the fan going crazy at times even though i am doing nothing |
| 05:55.08 | sontek | probably using dash or something, not sure how to tell it to use bash, its called .bashrc for a reason :P |
| 05:55.10 | nvz | sontek: well bash is probably actually dash |
| 05:55.57 | un214 | huh no its not |
| 05:55.59 | sontek | so thats whats killing my gdm, its trying to read a bash file with a none bash program |
| 05:56.06 | un214 | dash is an old-school posix shell |
| 05:56.12 | un214 | it shouldn't source .bashrc |
| 05:56.21 | nvz | dash is the debian shell |
| 05:56.29 | sontek | something is trying to use .bashrc when I login to gdm |
| 05:56.46 | nvz | !info dash |
| 05:56.49 | sontek | and failing because it can't find shopt and [[ which are bash things |
| 05:57.11 | claint | sontek: try enabling debug in your /etc/gdm3/daemon.conf, it might give more messages about where it is failing. |
| 05:57.22 | dpkg | dash: (POSIX-compliant shell), section shells, is required. Version: 0.5.5.1-7.4 (sid), Packaged size: 95 kB, Installed size: 228 kB |
| 05:57.22 | un214 | or chsh to bash |
| 05:57.39 | nvz | ah well that wasn't useful |
| 05:58.02 | nvz | The Debian Almquist Shell (dash) is a POSIX-compliant shell derived from ash |
| 05:58.08 | sontek | claint: there is a [debug] section, what do I put in there? |
| 05:58.18 | claint | sontek: I don't remember. |
| 05:59.04 | claint | sontek: Enable=true |
| 05:59.58 | claint | sontek: you will need to restart gdm as well. |
| 06:00.28 | sontek | claint: and then it'll just add more debug data into the logs? |
| 06:00.32 | stultus | anyone use blender here? |
| 06:00.42 | claint | well, if the logs are enough, you don't need it. |
| 06:01.24 | nvz | stultus: only for milkshakes and margaritas |
| 06:01.37 | sontek | ahh, I see, its calling /etc/gdm3/Xsession |
| 06:02.22 | sontek | which calls .profile |
| 06:02.27 | sontek | and my .profile sources my .bashrc |
| 06:02.46 | sontek | and since Xsession is being ran in dash, it tries to run my profile and bashrc in dash |
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| 06:02.50 | sontek | neither of which are dash compatible |
| 06:03.11 | stultus | nvz, when i type blender in my terminal i'm getting the following error |
| 06:03.14 | stultus | Compiled with Python version 2.6.4rc2. |
| 06:03.15 | stultus | Checking for installed Python... got it! |
| 06:03.16 | stultus | X Error of failed request: BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation) |
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| 06:04.00 | sontek | So how do you guys handle stuff like this? Do you just modify Xsession to run under bash usually? |
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| 06:04.07 | stultus | nvz, any idea (btw sorry for pasting it here) |
| 06:04.21 | sontek | I'm not going to re-write my scripts to be dash compatible, every system I use has bash :P |
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| 06:04.55 | sontek | point /bin/sh to /bin/bash? |
| 06:05.26 | un214 | maybe I should make that package that provides: dash depends : bash has /bin/sh -> bash |
| 06:05.35 | claint | sontek: why does your .profile sources your .bashrc? |
| 06:05.59 | sontek | claint: I don't remember actually, I believe it was for xmonad |
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| 06:06.19 | sontek | but my .profile has bash specific calls as well |
| 06:06.43 | claint | sontek: regular .profile sources .bashrc, IF it is called by bash, but not others. |
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| 06:07.32 | claint | sontek: regular bash profile is .bash_profile if I recall correctly, but i may be wrong |
| 06:07.40 | sontek | I've got my own .bashrc and .profile that I carry system to system |
| 06:07.48 | sontek | I'll make .profile dash compatible |
| 06:07.56 | sontek | and use .bash_profile for the specifics |
| 06:08.01 | sontek | claint: thanks :} |
| 06:08.11 | claint | sontek: yeah, i would try that. |
| 06:08.27 | un214 | I had this .profile back in the day that exec'd the appropriate shell |
| 06:08.37 | un214 | it probed for ksh, then bash, then sh |
| 06:08.58 | un214 | had to be careful not to do it if not on a terminal or X wouldn't load |
| 06:09.08 | claint | stultus: looks like your display is not supporting 3D acceleration, from that error message. |
| 06:09.34 | stultus | claint, it was working fine till yesterday :( |
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| 06:19.27 | sontek | http://paste2.org/p/1282906 Any idea what that build error is? |
| 06:19.35 | sontek | thats what I get after setting up the usb hid dkms package |
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| 06:19.40 | sontek | when I dpkg -i it |
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| 06:22.17 | hesco | turned out I was missing drivers for my eth devices. had to install firmware-linux-nonfree to make my nics work. It was searching for tigon/tg3_tso.bin, but I guess it has now found it |
| 06:22.52 | Magic_ | does debian work well with distributed computing or does the distro have nearly no matter in it? |
| 06:23.09 | hesco | dhcp worked for me, I have an IP and was able to successfully ping a server in the outside world (suggesting my resolver is also working). !!! |
| 06:23.23 | hesco | thanks folks for your help. |
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| 06:27.01 | nvz | sontek: there are 80 errors, and all seem to indicate that driver is not compatible with your kernel version |
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| 06:28.01 | sontek | thats what I figured, the readme said "DONT TRY THIS ON A KERNEL ITS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH" but it didn't list what kernels it works with |
| 06:28.18 | sontek | there is an ubuntu ppa that packages this driver but not sure what kernels they ship either |
| 06:28.37 | sontek | the wiki says to use the intrepid ppa but the wiki seems outdated |
| 06:28.57 | sontek | I tried maverick and it didn't work |
| 06:29.06 | nvz | sontek: what does lsusb say? |
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| 06:29.32 | sontek | http://paste2.org/p/1282913 |
| 06:29.32 | nvz | as in what is the actual hardware we're talking about here |
| 06:29.48 | sontek | nvz: i'm talking about the touchpad for my laptop, the macbook pro |
| 06:30.13 | sontek | I need click and drag support with different fingers, right now it only does right click if I use 2 fingers :P |
| 06:30.44 | sontek | I've had to patch the kernel in every distro I've ran on here, but this is the first time I couldn't easily find a compatible patch, doesn't seem like many debian guys use macbooks :P |
| 06:31.06 | sontek | (which is understandable, I regret buying it) |
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| 06:32.47 | nvz | sontek: idk, but that hardware you just pasted for me says its been supported since 2.6 and is still supported on 2.6.37 |
| 06:33.00 | nvz | sontek: leads me to believe you just need the xconfig setup properly |
| 06:33.09 | sontek | nvz: yeah, its supported, its just supported wrong |
| 06:33.23 | sontek | It doesn't handle click and drag properly, it takes 2 fingers as right click |
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| 06:33.36 | nvz | sontek: right, but what I'm getting at is that there are a buncha settings for these fancy touchpads in the xconfig |
| 06:33.36 | sontek | but if I click them individually instead of together, it means I want to select and drag |
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| 06:34.06 | sontek | I can look around but every distro I've ran (fedora, ubuntu, and arch) have all had me patch kernel, so I assumed I'd have to do the same here |
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| 06:35.17 | y7 | what do i need to install to get www.asus.com to load in iceweasel? |
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| 06:35.40 | y7 | i guess asus.com loads, i just can't click on anything |
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| 06:36.08 | sontek | y7: you need real flash |
| 06:36.25 | sontek | y7: gnash doesn't cut it for many things :P |
| 06:36.35 | y7 | ok, ty |
| 06:37.40 | hesco | pvcreate /dev/sda3 is giving me Device /dev/sda3 not found (or ignored by filtering)., although fdisk -l clearly shows the device. Any idea what I may be missing here? |
| 06:37.47 | hesco | I am root |
| 06:38.16 | nvz | sontek: wget "http://ppa.launchpad.net/mactel-support/ubuntu/pool/main/b/bcm5974-dkms/bcm5974-dkms_1.1.4-0ubuntu1~mactel1~lucid1_all.deb" |
| 06:38.25 | nvz | sontek: then dpkg -i that and see if it works |
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| 06:40.52 | sontek | nvz: that file doesn't exist |
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| 06:41.04 | sontek | oh whoops |
| 06:41.10 | y7 | sontek, is there a command for installing flash? i've tried apt-get install flash and had no luck |
| 06:41.12 | sontek | it linked it with the quotes |
| 06:41.17 | nvz | sontek: I copied and pasted it directly from the mirror |
| 06:41.36 | nvz | if you woulda done the same into your terminal you'd have it |
| 06:42.17 | nvz | I also tested installing it in squeeze to check for dependancy errors |
| 06:42.30 | nvz | I just do not have the hardware to test it on |
| 06:43.05 | sontek | nvz: it installed but even after modprobe -r bcm5974;modprobe bcm5974 I still don't have click/drag |
| 06:44.30 | nvz | sontek: uh.. did it build the driver and run depmod? |
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| 06:45.16 | Jckf | How can I block a host that connects more than X times to a port in Y seconds? |
| 06:45.25 | Jckf | Temporarily |
| 06:45.31 | sontek | nvz: http://paste2.org/p/1282933 yeah |
| 06:45.53 | nvz | sontek: alright then you only fixed half the problem |
| 06:46.04 | nvz | don't even need to see that.. |
| 06:46.23 | nvz | you are also going to have to install an xorg update for the synaptics driver |
| 06:47.10 | nvz | sontek: http://ppa.launchpad.net/mactel-support/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics_1.2.2-2ubuntu5-mactel1_i386.deb |
| 06:47.25 | nvz | this is where shit might get complicated |
| 06:47.58 | nvz | there are two binary versions of that package available.. this is the newer one |
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| 06:48.30 | nvz | no, actually there are 3 versions |
| 06:49.00 | nvz | we're hoping to get lucky and find one with no broken dependancies |
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| 06:50.51 | sontek | that one didn't work |
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| 06:50.59 | sontek | it wanted that |
| 06:51.10 | sontek | err |
| 06:51.28 | sontek | xorg-input-abi-11.0 |
| 06:51.38 | nvz | sontek: version? |
| 06:51.47 | sontek | xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.8.99.905-1ubuntu3 |
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| 06:52.12 | sontek | so it needs a little newer version of xorg |
| 06:52.18 | nvz | sontek: ok well we want the one with the closest depends |
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| 06:52.27 | nvz | and if need be, we'll force it to install |
| 06:52.57 | sontek | These patches must be in newer versions of xorg already, because I didn't have to do this before |
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| 06:53.07 | nvz | sontek: http://ppa.launchpad.net/mactel-support/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/ try the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics_1.2.2-1ubuntu4-volanin2_i386.deb |
| 06:53.28 | nvz | see if its a litlle closer on the depends |
| 06:53.47 | nvz | naturally debian won't have packages that say ubuntu anything in their version |
| 06:54.22 | nvz | we just find one that has basically the same dependencies then force it to install and hope it works :-P |
| 06:55.11 | nvz | or we build it from source |
| 06:55.17 | nvz | or install ubuntu.. |
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| 06:55.38 | sontek | nvz: http://paste2.org/p/1282938 does that look alright? |
| 06:56.13 | sontek | I refuse to install Ubuntu! Screw Unity and changing affiliate codes on banshee |
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| 06:57.28 | nvz | sontek: gotta tell it to remove the last package first |
| 06:57.42 | nvz | because this one is older and its not replacing it |
| 06:58.18 | nvz | should've simulated this |
| 06:58.52 | sontek | remove xserver-xorg-input-synaptics? |
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| 06:59.50 | nvz | sontek: it unpacked but did not configure the last one I would assume |
| 07:00.05 | nvz | if it didn't unpack than it just needs to be unselected for install |
| 07:00.20 | nvz | either way need the package manager to forget about it |
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| 07:01.46 | mah454 | Why debian have not mkisofs comman ? |
| 07:01.46 | nvz | whatever the hel this shit with my terminal is, is pissing me off |
| 07:01.50 | sontek | I get the same errors even after I aptitude purge xserver-xorg-input-synaptics |
| 07:01.54 | mah454 | Why debian have not mkisofs command ? |
| 07:02.13 | nvz | ugh.. |
| 07:02.19 | y7 | can somebody please tell me how i can install flash |
| 07:02.24 | nvz | aptitude has nothing to do with this |
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| 07:02.39 | nvz | y7: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 07:02.44 | y7 | that doesn't work |
| 07:02.52 | nvz | y7: then enable non-free sources |
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| 07:03.09 | y7 | ok, ty |
| 07:05.30 | sontek | mah454: use genisoimage |
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| 07:07.04 | nvz | sontek: apt-get -f install |
| 07:07.25 | sontek | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 07:07.31 | nvz | sontek: let it do what it wants, then dpkg -i xserver-xorg-input-synaptics_1.2.2-1ubuntu4-volanin2_i386.deb |
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| 07:08.16 | sontek | 1.2.2 had bad deps I believe |
| 07:08.22 | sontek | I'm trying 1.1.2 right now |
| 07:08.28 | y7 | !tell y7 repositories |
| 07:08.43 | nvz | that package I just told you to install went cleanly for me with no errors |
| 07:08.56 | nvz | there are two different 1.2.2 packages |
| 07:09.57 | sontek | yeah that one did work |
| 07:10.02 | sontek | the volanin2 one |
| 07:10.24 | nvz | the question is will it fix your problem if you restart X or will your X not work.. |
| 07:10.30 | nvz | heh |
| 07:10.47 | sontek | it worked :) |
| 07:10.53 | nvz | seriously? |
| 07:10.55 | sontek | haha it has some crazy sensitivity set |
| 07:11.04 | sontek | but I have click + drag |
| 07:11.16 | nvz | sontek: ah well I have a link with some settings |
| 07:11.37 | nvz | sontek: http://bitmath.org/code/bcm5974-dkms/xorg-settings-with-tapping-and-palm-detection.html |
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| 07:11.58 | nvz | sontek: you can fool with those and find something that works |
| 07:12.02 | sontek | Yeah, right now I no longer have 2 finger for right click |
| 07:12.11 | sontek | i'll try those settings to see if it fixes it |
| 07:12.11 | nvz | sontek: I'm utterly amazed that even worked |
| 07:12.27 | nvz | sontek: I thought we were just breaking your system |
| 07:12.29 | nvz | heh |
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| 07:12.34 | sontek | haha |
| 07:12.40 | nvz | I probably broke mine testing it |
| 07:12.47 | nvz | but the hdd is dead anyhow.. so.. |
| 07:13.02 | nvz | sure as shit wasn't testing it on my thinkpad |
| 07:13.09 | nvz | which is the only one I care about |
| 07:13.39 | nvz | sontek: well if I were you I'd keep those two packages in a safe place |
| 07:13.58 | nvz | or at least the link of where to get em |
| 07:14.41 | sontek | Well, the problem is that package isn't quite right :P |
| 07:14.51 | nvz | how so? |
| 07:14.53 | sontek | I have click drag now, but I lost all multitouch support |
| 07:15.04 | nvz | thats configuration though I believe |
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| 07:15.19 | nvz | did aptitude remove xorg-input-all ? |
| 07:15.22 | sontek | I have the conf, it didn't help, other than sensitivity is sane now |
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| 07:15.45 | nvz | I think thats just a metapackage |
| 07:16.07 | sontek | might be because configuration is for the air instead of macbook |
| 07:16.12 | sontek | i'll look for macbook pro configuration |
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| 07:16.49 | sontek | nvz: it has a p next to it |
| 07:16.53 | sontek | Not sure what the p is? |
| 07:16.59 | nvz | sontek: purge |
| 07:17.17 | nvz | sontek: I think thats just a metapackage to pull in all the input drivers |
| 07:17.31 | nvz | sontek: which would likely break the driver just installed anyhow |
| 07:17.53 | y7 | nvz, i enabled non-free (i think, i added it to the end of each source in source.list) and apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree still doesn't work. ideas? |
| 07:18.07 | nvz | sontek: normally I wouldnt touch issues like this with a 10ft pole.. but you seem to know what you're doing and be in a make it work or bust kinda mood |
| 07:18.22 | simonrvn | Hydroxide: update first, then install |
| 07:18.28 | nvz | y7: yeah apt-get update |
| 07:18.29 | simonrvn | y7: ^^^ |
| 07:18.33 | simonrvn | Hydroxide: sorry |
| 07:18.33 | y7 | k, ty |
| 07:18.34 | sontek | Yeah, this package doesn't work |
| 07:18.39 | sontek | I need my right click =) |
| 07:18.53 | nvz | you shoulda thought of that before you bought a mac.. haha |
| 07:19.09 | sontek | haha |
| 07:19.13 | sontek | I regret it enough =) |
| 07:19.18 | nvz | good news is, simonrvn is awake.. he's a mac nerd |
| 07:19.19 | simonrvn | plug in 3 button mouse, problem solved... |
| 07:19.40 | sontek | I know this is possible since I've got it working in 3 other distros :P |
| 07:19.44 | sontek | just gotta find the sweet spot |
| 07:20.08 | nvz | simonrvn: I just told him to install a buncha ubuntu packages to fix his touchpad.. :-P |
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| 07:20.20 | nvz | watches simonrvn run for the door |
| 07:21.00 | y7 | after an update, it still didn't work, so i tried an upgrade... there were no upgrades and it still doesn't work. ideas? |
| 07:21.14 | simonrvn | !kill nvz |
| 07:21.14 | dpkg | tears a hole in nvz's head with a Knoppix CD |
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| 07:21.55 | nvz | y7: you're doing apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree right? |
| 07:22.03 | y7 | correct |
| 07:22.18 | sontek | I just removed the synaptics one to get right click and middle click back |
| 07:22.19 | nvz | and the update showed it getting non-free sources? |
| 07:22.20 | simonrvn | try not configuring it at all, having the drivers installed, and start xorg off bare |
| 07:22.22 | sontek | but now I no longer and click+drag |
| 07:22.36 | sontek | thats basically where I'm back to now |
| 07:22.49 | sontek | with the bcm5974-dkms driver installed |
| 07:23.08 | sontek | I can kill it too though, it didn't seem to do anything |
| 07:23.14 | nvz | simonrvn: originally he had no click+drag, the ubuntu drivers fixed the problem but broke other features.. heh |
| 07:23.16 | y7 | nvz, http://pastebin.com/3F2L4Kkr |
| 07:23.20 | simonrvn | mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.bak |
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| 07:23.31 | nvz | simonrvn: in other news, did ya get your ACLs all figured out? |
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| 07:23.52 | simonrvn | no. tried something else. though i'm going to try some stuff |
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| 07:24.54 | arumaniac | good morning |
| 07:24.56 | nvz | y7: paste your sources.list |
| 07:24.57 | arumaniac | http://pastebin.com/U7jp29J5 |
| 07:24.57 | pinkisntwell | i removed grub-pc but grub 1.97 is still booting my computer. how can i get grub-legacy to work once and for all? |
| 07:25.07 | arumaniac | where I can dnwload the key |
| 07:25.32 | sontek | simonrvn: yeah, I'm back to a clean state |
| 07:25.35 | y7 | nvz, http://pastebin.com/2KKysGwi |
| 07:26.05 | nvz | arumaniac: key is not required to use the mirror.. and its in a package.. personalyly I've been having the same problem with that mirror.. |
| 07:26.14 | nvz | arumaniac: try mirrors.kernel.org |
| 07:26.51 | arumaniac | kernel? |
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| 07:27.12 | nvz | arumaniac: yes.. |
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| 07:27.45 | nvz | arumaniac: as in.. deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 07:28.33 | nvz | y7: ugh.. apt-get update ? |
| 07:28.47 | y7 | i did that |
| 07:28.56 | nvz | y7: well do it again and let me see it |
| 07:29.43 | y7 | nvz, http://pastebin.com/MJmeDvuH |
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| 07:30.42 | nvz | y7: hmm.. so its all good then.. |
| 07:30.56 | y7 | just installed debian today |
| 07:31.30 | y7 | just putting that out there in case there's something i could have installed incorrectly |
| 07:31.47 | nvz | y7: na its just being a bitch right now |
| 07:31.58 | nvz | y7: apt-cache show flashplugin-nonfree |
| 07:32.22 | y7 | no packages found |
| 07:32.35 | nvz | hmm.. so its def not in the cache |
| 07:32.49 | nvz | someone needs to bitchlap your apt around |
| 07:33.01 | nvz | I'd say change the mirror |
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| 07:34.11 | y7 | updating now |
| 07:34.11 | nvz | y7: change line 7 of http://pastebin.com/2KKysGwi to mirrors.kernel.org instead of ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 07:34.56 | nvz | wait.. you don't have contrib in there.. |
| 07:35.00 | nvz | checks |
| 07:35.21 | nvz | yeah its in contrib, not non-free |
| 07:35.38 | y7 | so replace all the non-free's with contrib? |
| 07:35.54 | nvz | y7: just put both non-free and contrib and save yourself future headaches |
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| 07:36.25 | y7 | ok, i added contrib to all 6 |
| 07:36.27 | nvz | the name of the package is misleading.. haha |
| 07:36.44 | y7 | you still want me to change the 7th one to mirrors.kernel.org? |
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| 07:37.02 | nvz | y7: doesn't matter.. the missing contrib was the problem |
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| 07:37.22 | y7 | you my hero.. it works :) |
| 07:37.25 | y7 | ty for the help |
| 07:37.28 | nvz | y7: see its called flashplugin-nonfree which made me think it was in non-free |
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| 07:37.40 | nvz | but its in contrib because the package doesn't contain flash, it downloads it |
| 07:37.45 | y7 | this debian will mess with you like that |
| 07:37.46 | sako | hey guys is it bad in a situation like this to compile? http://library.linode.com/web-servers/nginx/installation/debian-6-squeeze |
| 07:37.50 | nvz | which by definition is a contrib package |
| 07:38.33 | sako | nginx has 0.7.6x in the debian repository however, i need to get 0.8.x, I guess the other option is to get it from wheezy deb-src |
| 07:39.50 | sontek | nvz: yeah, i'm not worried about breaking it |
| 07:39.58 | sontek | nvz: its just annoying that it was so easy on every other distro |
| 07:40.04 | sontek | and its not debians fault, just annoying :P |
| 07:40.29 | sontek | having a single button was a horrible idea |
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| 07:42.02 | treebeen | ,versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 07:42.04 | judd | Package flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.3; wheezy/contrib: 1:2.8.3 |
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| 07:42.22 | sako | ,versions nginx |
| 07:42.24 | judd | Package nginx on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.6.32-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 0.7.67-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.7.67-3; sid: 0.8.54-3; wheezy: 0.8.54-3 |
| 07:42.51 | sako | which one is safer to get something for squeeze form sid or wheezy? |
| 07:42.53 | treebeen | hmm, why is flash black and white for me here on this unstable? |
| 07:43.38 | treebeen | sako: squeeze should be better |
| 07:44.04 | nvz | sontek: are you using lenny? |
| 07:44.25 | nvz | erm |
| 07:44.43 | treebeen | sako: but you can use lenny-backports on the package you searched for |
| 07:44.45 | sako | treebeen: i need nginx 0.8.x so my options are to compile from source or to grab the deb-src and run dpkg |
| 07:45.08 | sako | from either sid or wheezy |
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| 07:45.46 | nvz | sako: if you insist on that version, its the same in both sid and wheezy |
| 07:45.49 | sontek | got it to work :) |
| 07:45.53 | sontek | i'm using squeeze |
| 07:46.07 | nvz | sontek: yeah that wasn't for you.. I fudged that |
| 07:46.07 | sontek | This random guy: http://allurgroceries.com/mbp55/#dkmsproblem had a package that works perfectly |
| 07:46.23 | sako | so would you guys recommend compiling nginx from source or sid/wheezy? |
| 07:46.28 | treebeen | sako: well, wheezy is probably better then as unstable might change quicker |
| 07:46.36 | nvz | sontek: thank google for some random guys.. they always know what to do |
| 07:46.50 | treebeen | sako: unstable = sid |
| 07:47.03 | treebeen | sako: wheezy = testing |
| 07:47.42 | nvz | sako: I'd reconsider things you haven't mentioned.. but assuming you're sure you NEED that, then you gotta do, what you gotta do |
| 07:47.42 | sontek | Now I just gotta figure out why setting Option VertTwoFingerScroll 1 doesn't work in xorg.conf but setting it with synclient works great |
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| 07:48.28 | treebeen | sontek: on lenny? |
| 07:48.29 | nvz | sontek: I'd have gone out an bought a $9 intellimouse basic hours ago |
| 07:48.41 | nvz | heh |
| 07:48.57 | sontek | I've thought about selling this thing and getting 2 laptops for it :P |
| 07:49.04 | nvz | I f'n hate touchpads... the ibm tracknav is the only device I like |
| 07:49.17 | sontek | treebeen: squeeze |
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| 07:49.40 | nvz | sontek: could get one of these: http://freedomincluded.com/product/lemote-yeeloong/ |
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| 07:49.58 | nvz | sontek: would have way less compatibilty issues |
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| 07:50.41 | sontek | I could've got 3 of those :P |
| 07:52.33 | treebeen | sontek: i think on squeez settings in xorg.conf are not used anymore, you need to put them into the directory or something |
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| 07:53.48 | nvz | sontek: I want one.. wanna see how it compares to my Intel Atom netbook.. I bet it f'n smokes it |
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| 07:56.36 | treebeen | ,versions chromium-browser |
| 07:56.38 | judd | Package chromium-browser on i386 -- squeeze: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5; wheezy: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5; squeeze-security: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze2; sid: 9.0.597.107~r75357-1 |
| 07:57.10 | treebeen | man, the missing color in flash seems to be caused by chromium, if iceweasel it's ok |
| 07:57.17 | treebeen | *in |
| 07:57.31 | willwork4foo | I have to say - I'm loving the way that Debian works with Webmin / Virtualmin! Very cool indeed. |
| 07:57.56 | willwork4foo | Can control absolutely everything on my Debian box right from a web browser in my iPhone! |
| 07:58.32 | treebeen | willwork4foo: never used that, what do you suggest? are webmin / virtualmin the same? |
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| 07:59.20 | willwork4foo | treebeen, virtualmin is only really useful if you want to deploy multiple virtual hosts / servers on the same box. I do this for security purposes - I run a number of websites for a friend |
| 07:59.44 | willwork4foo | plus I run some web services of my own (transmission bittorrent web GUI, etc) and I run each within it's own virtual container |
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| 08:00.12 | willwork4foo | webmin just plain rocks for web-based remote sysadmin. It works on other distros, but I've NEVER seen it quite so complete and capable as it is on Debian |
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| 08:00.26 | treebeen | aha, might give that a try |
| 08:01.03 | willwork4foo | put it this way - I can install packages, edit init scripts, update my system, manage my mysql databases, do pretty much whatever I want to do - right from a mobile web browser. |
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| 08:02.01 | treebeen | willwork4foo: it works via https? |
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| 08:02.13 | willwork4foo | treebeen, yep it does. |
| 08:02.24 | indecipherable | <indecipherable> Hi; i'm running debian and I wanted to remove a user from access unwanted commands. I made a new bash script and placed it in local/bin to echo "command no active"; I was hoping it would call that command first. Is it okay to rename or move commands found in /usr/bin to another directory and replace them with a bash script? |
| 08:02.25 | willwork4foo | defaults to port 10000 but you can change that if you want |
| 08:03.14 | jelly-home | willwork4foo: webmin has a history of shoddy code, written without regard for design or security issues. I guess it's theoretically possible they cleaned their act up. |
| 08:03.17 | willwork4foo | treebeen, if you want it to work on a smartphone, you'll need to install a theme that's smartphone-aware |
| 08:03.25 | willwork4foo | jelly, yeah it used to be fairly shocking |
| 08:03.35 | willwork4foo | jelly, lately it seems to be greatly improved. |
| 08:03.56 | willwork4foo | from initial research / diggings into the bits that used to disappoint |
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| 08:04.09 | treebeen | indecipherable: use sudo |
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| 08:05.04 | treebeen | indecipherable: hmm, or maybe not, what commands? |
| 08:06.27 | indecipherable | like who |
| 08:06.33 | indecipherable | i run a open free shell service |
| 08:06.45 | indecipherable | and for instance; would rather users use 'users' than who - to hide hosts |
| 08:07.12 | indecipherable | and other slight security related commands |
| 08:07.39 | sontek | indecipherable: you should look into ACL's |
| 08:07.49 | indecipherable | ACL's? |
| 08:07.53 | sontek | you could create groups of users and give each group permission to apps |
| 08:08.01 | sontek | access control lists |
| 08:08.28 | indecipherable | okay, i've been given a tip to look into restricted shells; my method does work but I wasn't sure if it would cause system instability |
| 08:08.29 | sontek | they are for defining better permissions than the standard rwx |
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| 08:08.38 | treebeen | indecipherable: maybe you could use rbash |
| 08:08.40 | sontek | there is also chroot jails |
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| 08:10.18 | Ptival | I have a slightly-annoying problem with my Debian startup |
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| 08:10.56 | sontek | indecipherable: for instance you could say setfacl -m u:sontek:r-- /bin/watch_porn |
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| 08:11.06 | sontek | and then I could see the file but not write or execute it |
| 08:11.21 | sontek | so you could just start giving people perms they need for certain commands |
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| 08:11.38 | SerajewelKS | how would i recover a stuck screen session? one ssh connection died, and screen was attached there. now 'screen -dr' in a new ssh session does nothing at all and just sits there. |
| 08:11.43 | sontek | then instead of using something like ls -ald to look at perms, you use getfacl |
| 08:11.50 | Ptival | during the startup, a DHCPDiscover is performed on eth0, then on wlan0. Before, I used to be able to kill the one I did not want with Ctrl+C. Now it seems I cannot do it anymore, and I just have to wait 30 seconds to see a DHCPDiscover on an unplugged network fail... Does anyone have a clue on what I could do? |
| 08:11.53 | indecipherable | hm, that would work I'm sorry I didn't respond quicker I was reading about rbash and restricted shell. |
| 08:12.11 | hesco | I have an x86 system running on a machine where my cpu's would suppoirt an x86_64 installation. I have been unable to boot from a usb, there is no cd installed on this machine. I used mount -o loop netinstall.iso /media/cdrom0 and now have access to the installer. I have a partition ready for the next step. Without messing up the existing working installation, from which I need to run this installation, how would I launch the installer t |
| 08:12.11 | hesco | drop a system on my new logical volume ??? |
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| 08:13.02 | sontek | SerajewelKS: what does screen -ls show? |
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| 08:14.27 | treebeen | indecipherable: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1000918 - not sure if this is a good approach |
| 08:15.29 | SerajewelKS | sontek: 1867.pts-0.www (29/11/10 08:24:12) (Detached) |
| 08:15.33 | SerajewelKS | sontek: and now i can attach again -- weird |
| 08:16.25 | SerajewelKS | sontek: usually when this happens, screen never recovers and i have to kill it. which would be awful since i'm upgrading from lenny to squeeze inside screen. :) |
| 08:17.33 | indecipherable | it's really hard to say; I know my method works - but will it be stable. See; I took who and moved it to BIN-backup, chmod 000 the directory /BIN-backup and then created the script in /usr/local/bin ; the script is called rather than the command when the command is issued .. but the only remaining factor is the overall stability on say a restart or a systemcall to this approach |
| 08:17.44 | machot | SerajewelKS: use screen -x |
| 08:18.26 | sontek | I prefer tmux over screen these days |
| 08:18.36 | sontek | but I haven't ran into not being able to recover a detached screen |
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| 08:19.11 | indecipherable | but maybe I'll take all the suggestions I've gotten and try them in virtual machines before my live system.. and see which is a better approach |
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| 08:22.07 | treebeen | hesco: use the hd-media, you won't be able to boot the iso, dd the on a small partition you can later use as swap and boot that from grub |
| 08:22.21 | treebeen | *the img |
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| 08:23.30 | hesco | what do you mean by hd-media ??? |
| 08:25.14 | Zao | hesco: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst See the links under "Network boot" |
| 08:25.26 | hesco | and if I'm adding a stanza to grub/menu.1st, where does it find its vmlinux and initrd |
| 08:25.31 | Zao | Contains, among other things, an boot.img.gz suitable for blasting onto an USB stick. |
| 08:25.34 | hesco | thanks, checking that out now |
| 08:25.46 | Zao | hesco: Said links also contain kernel images if you need them standalone. |
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| 08:26.15 | nvz | indecipherable: your method is kinda crazy.. just saying |
| 08:27.09 | nvz | indecipherable: not only does it possibly break all kinds of shit that can't find those files, but it also will be easily undone by apt upgrading any of the packages..etc |
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| 08:28.00 | nvz | indecipherable: the sane way to do this is not with scripts insulting users for running commands you don't want them to, but to use permissions or ACLs to stop them from doing it |
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| 08:28.34 | nvz | and even then you risk breaking any apps that may use those commands for information, but only for one user and not the whole system |
| 08:28.53 | indecipherable | who said anything insulting: a message that says "Who has been disabled to protect hostnames please see: users" |
| 08:29.01 | indecipherable | but thanks for the advice. |
| 08:29.14 | nvz | I'm just trying to make you realize how crazy it sounds by over-dramatising it |
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| 08:29.21 | nvz | heh |
| 08:29.23 | Zao | I'd solve it by not having users. |
| 08:29.31 | nvz | yeah that works too |
| 08:29.55 | indecipherable | hm, i still think my way is more fun though. |
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| 08:32.20 | indecipherable | i mean; i would have just changed the permission if I wanted it to be as simple as the command not to function |
| 08:33.59 | indecipherable | oh; well - I can change the permission and change the path to include a script |
| 08:34.12 | indecipherable | sits on his hands. |
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| 08:38.34 | nvz | indecipherable: you're the admin.. you're the one who has to deal with it.. honestly I wouldn't touch the file locations or permissions, I'd use ACLs or something that didn't in any way change a tightly integrated package system,, cause I wouldnt want to create a buncha unforeseen headaches |
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| 08:39.20 | nvz | indecipherable: or even better, make all the users operate inside a chroot or otherwise restricted environment |
| 08:40.09 | sako | update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing |
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| 08:40.28 | sako | is that the normal message now when adding a script via update-rc.d? |
| 08:40.44 | sako | not sure if i am doing something wrong here... how would i check which scripts are loaded at boot? |
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| 09:02.41 | toomasr | one of my boxes was compromised with a rootkit, before doing a reinstall i'm trying to figure out why can't i delete /usr/bin/pstree |
| 09:02.47 | toomasr | i get operation not permitted |
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| 09:03.23 | toomasr | lsattr shows -----a------------- /usr/bin/pstree and ls shows -rwxr-xr-x for the file and i'm root |
| 09:03.58 | yagoo | there a guide/simple rule of thumb for setting up an ethertap interface? |
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| 09:05.26 | toomasr | got it! all guides told me to chattr -i but -a did the trick |
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| 09:06.39 | oliver3_ | I had to interrupt apt-get during a failed install (it hung, for over 48 hours). Now there are so many lock files I can't delete them all, is there a proper way I can recover from this? |
| 09:06.51 | oliver3_ | apt refuses to do anything really |
| 09:07.25 | jelly-home | oliver3_: "so many lock files?" |
| 09:08.15 | oliver3_ | jelly-home, there was apts lock file and dpkg's lock file, I remove them both, now when trying to remove the half-installed packages, I get errors about lock files in /var/cache/debconf |
| 09:08.29 | jelly-home | oliver3_: can you pastebin actual output from your apt commands? Have you done dpkg --configure -a? |
| 09:08.47 | jelly-home | oliver3_: are you sure there's no leftover dpkg process? |
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| 09:11.03 | jelly-home | oliver3_: which Debian release are you using? |
| 09:11.38 | oliver3_ | jelly-home, thanks, there were leftover processes. Kill them, and the apache-mono-server2 post-install script that was clogging everything up and it's fine now. |
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| 09:12.10 | oliver3_ | jelly-home, it's Ubuntu Server 10.10, I asked in here because I don't usually get any useful help from #ubuntu anymore |
| 09:12.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | oliver3_: then ask #ubuntu-server (or run debian) |
| 09:12.50 | jelly-home | oliver3_: please don't do that. Ubuntu does changes in dpkg and apt that may make #debian advice bad for your system. |
| 09:13.24 | oliver3_ | Kamping_Kaiser, I did actually want to run debian on my VPS, but only Lenny is available from my provider, and getting up-to-date packages (PHP 5.3 etc) is more hassle than it's worth |
| 09:13.36 | oliver3_ | jelly-home, okay thanks, my bad. |
| 09:14.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | oliver3_: hopefully they get their act together |
| 09:14.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | they being your host |
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| 09:14.09 | oliver3_ | hopefully |
| 09:14.16 | skamikaze | oliver3_: just do a bit more research => deb http://php53.dotdeb.org stable all |
| 09:14.21 | oliver3_ | I'm gonna check to see if they updated the list of OSs actually |
| 09:14.42 | jelly-home | skamikaze: dotdeb packages also have a history of being... less than optimally created |
| 09:14.58 | oliver3_ | skamikaze, I don't really want to have to trust 3rd party repos. I know of dotdeb but couldn't find any info on their credibility/security. |
| 09:15.06 | skamikaze | he's running ubuntu he will not realize that |
| 09:15.10 | skamikaze | no offense :> |
| 09:15.16 | jelly-home | upgrading a base debian from 5.0 to 6.0 before installing other stuff should not be too hard |
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| 09:15.50 | oliver3_ | jelly-home, because it's a VPS the hoster installs some custom stuff for their virtualisation environment, so doing that just breaks it. |
| 09:16.38 | jelly-home | eh |
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| 09:17.16 | `Assassin | Does anyone here use the framebuffer frequently? |
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| 09:21.43 | Bushmills | like, 5 times a day, or more like 10 times per hour? |
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| 09:24.15 | jelly-home | I don't have an option, video-intel with KMS forces the console into framebuffer mode |
| 09:24.47 | Bushmills | those bastards - that pollutes the statistics |
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| 09:25.46 | jelly-home | !anyone |
| 09:25.46 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 09:26.35 | yagoo | !kms |
| 09:26.36 | dpkg | [KMS] Kernel Mode Setting, where the initialization of graphical modes is performed by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 09:26.42 | jelly-home | popcon data for xserver-xorg-video-intel in squeeze might provide some elucidation |
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| 09:28.11 | Bushmills | doubtful. he explicitely asked for "frequently" - but running |
| 09:28.31 | Bushmills | xserver-xorg-video-intel doesn't say anything about the frequency of starting X |
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| 09:29.26 | oliva | hi there anybody is experiencing iusses on bash competion with testing? |
| 09:29.42 | Bushmills | are you? |
| 09:30.30 | oliva | completion |
| 09:30.30 | oliva | indeed |
| 09:30.32 | yagoo | oliva, shopt |
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| 09:30.41 | oliva | ls expand names without quoting spaces |
| 09:30.42 | Bushmills | then the answer is "yes" |
| 09:30.56 | SerajewelKS | oh i love debian upgrades |
| 09:30.58 | SerajewelKS | [13009557.053769] jabberd[23356]: segfault at 59c ip 00007f909b460866 sp 0000000000deae70 error 4 in libgnutls.so.26.14.12[7f909b449000+9c000] |
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| 09:30.59 | oliva | to my qestion? |
| 09:31.04 | SerajewelKS | \o/ |
| 09:31.09 | Bushmills | right |
| 09:31.26 | oliva | yagoo: what should I seek for? |
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| 09:31.47 | oliva | Bushmills: I see |
| 09:31.49 | yagoo | oliva, that's a command |
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| 09:32.26 | oliva | yagoo: it reports a lot of settings, which one should I look? |
| 09:32.53 | Bushmills | maybe the one which describes "issues" best? |
| 09:33.59 | nixjr | im an ubuntu user, ive come to learn its debain-based, what would the the benefits/differences if i were to just start using straight debian instead of ubuntu? |
| 09:34.11 | oliva | Bushmills: sorry you are right, it completes names with spaces without quoting the spaces |
| 09:34.31 | oliva | nixjr: learning how linux works |
| 09:34.46 | valdyn | uh |
| 09:34.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | i think dpkg has a 'why not ubuntu' or similar factoid |
| 09:34.53 | valdyn | maybe "learning how debian works" |
| 09:35.31 | valdyn | it would be very bad habit to use one distro like the other |
| 09:35.57 | nixjr | valdyn, what do you mean use one like the other? |
| 09:36.03 | yagoo | nixjr, if you've worked with the shell for 6 months with ubuntu, you can use debian |
| 09:36.24 | valdyn | nixjr: from the admin perspective distros are *totally* different |
| 09:36.37 | valdyn | nixjr: even if the end user GUI might be about identical |
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| 09:37.37 | yagoo | Anyone knows about seting up a network tap? I want absolute zero send-traffic ( http://altsec.info/passive-network-tap.html ) |
| 09:37.53 | yagoo | that link shows a debian configuration |
| 09:38.01 | valdyn | yagoo: what do you actually want to do? |
| 09:38.02 | nixjr | yagoo, i use the shell when i have to. I understand you mean there willbe more shell work involved in debian, but does all that shell work net any benefits over ubuntu besaides learning howot use the shell |
| 09:38.20 | rigved | valdyn: i agree...configuration files end up in different places on different distros |
| 09:38.36 | yagoo | nixjr, you need to know your shell very well |
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| 09:39.38 | valdyn | nixjr: the beauty of debian is that it provides a consistent interface for the admin that does not really change over time |
| 09:39.57 | oliva | yagoo: so the difference between ubuntu and debian for you is the amount of time the shell is used? |
| 09:40.07 | yagoo | nixjr, you should know how to navigate/edit/ /etc, and know the difference between aptitude/apt-get/dpkg |
| 09:40.16 | valdyn | nixjr: it does not look as nice as a GUI, but once learned it would work in 2000 almost just the same as today, and still be efficient |
| 09:40.27 | nixjr | valdyn, i get what you mean, but im not sure if that means a lot for my expereince in a single user home system |
| 09:40.46 | valdyn | nixjr: thats true, you might not benefit from using debian |
| 09:40.56 | `Assassin | Bushmills, why can't I use a framebuffer image viewer in a terminal emulator? |
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| 09:41.30 | yagoo | oliva, i'm not comparing the two to favor one.. but if you're new I suggest ubuntu |
| 09:41.56 | yagoo | oliva, you can try debian.. but you'll have to do manual stuff to get the multimedia all working |
| 09:42.08 | prince_jammys | minimally |
| 09:42.15 | yagoo | says debian-multimedia << you have to do shell work |
| 09:42.33 | yagoo | minimally.. but it's dinosaur steps for newbies |
| 09:42.33 | nixjr | i gave slackware a go once, i gave up because i couldnt get my sound working :( |
| 09:42.34 | oliva | yagoo: so you agree that you will learn more how linux works installing debian |
| 09:42.40 | hid3 | How do I list only directories but not files with `du`? |
| 09:42.47 | Bushmills | `Assassin: try one which supports frame buffer console, like fbi |
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| 09:42.55 | Bushmills | or try links2 -G |
| 09:43.00 | yagoo | !debian-multimedia |
| 09:43.00 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze> <dmm lenny>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. See also <dmm mirrors>, <dmm list>. |
| 09:43.09 | yagoo | that pretty much is the main thing newbs ask about.. |
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| 09:43.33 | skamikaze | hid3: find . -type d | xargs du |
| 09:43.48 | `Assassin | I was just trying to use fbi in terminator, Bushmills. It doesn't work. I had to go to a tty and sudo to use it. |
| 09:44.02 | prince_jammys | sounds exciting. |
| 09:44.54 | prince_jammys | nixjr: mainly different communities, different ideology, different release cycle |
| 09:44.55 | oliva | hid3: maybe you want to use '-maxdepth 1' with find |
| 09:45.02 | Bushmills | `Assassin: so question is "why can't i use frame buffer console tools in X?" |
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| 09:45.53 | oliva | yagoo: what about shopt for my completion? |
| 09:46.16 | valdyn | `Assassin: why are you trying to use fb tools at all? |
| 09:46.54 | nixjr | prince_jammys, thanks for pointing out the differences. i know enough to realise there is no "best" distro, only ones best suiting to certain individuals/situations, is the only benefit of debian that its more hands on? |
| 09:47.02 | ace__ | hi, I want to install debian on a machine without internet. I just want to setup a machine with X and gnome-core |
| 09:47.11 | ace__ | its enough to download install disk 1 |
| 09:47.21 | prince_jammys | nixjr: it really doesn't have to be *that* hands-on |
| 09:47.30 | valdyn | nixjr: "hands on" is the wrong term, its "clean" |
| 09:47.35 | ace__ | the 700mb cd or do i need the 4.4 gb dvd? |
| 09:47.42 | prince_jammys | on the surface, it'll appear much like ubuntu to you. |
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| 09:47.47 | nixjr | and consistant, sorry i was listneing valdyn lol |
| 09:47.53 | ace__ | its important because my connection is really slow, only 120 kbits down.. |
| 09:48.36 | prince_jammys | nixjr: you do not need to be a commandline wiz to use debian |
| 09:48.47 | valdyn | nixjr: ubuntu takes debian, throws away some consistency and cleanliness and replaces it with easy methods to do basic maintenance tasks |
| 09:48.51 | `Assassin | valdyn, I want to make a transition to nearly 100% console applications if practical. Using a framebuffer image viewer in a terminal emulator seemed like an easy enough step to make if it worked... |
| 09:49.01 | hid3 | thanks skamikaze! |
| 09:49.09 | Bushmills | ace__: can't you configure the machine with 120 kbits internet connection as gateway to the machine without internet and do a netinstall, thereby downloading only what you actually install? |
| 09:49.10 | skamikaze | yvw |
| 09:49.11 | valdyn | `Assassin: why would you do this? |
| 09:49.31 | valdyn | `Assassin: framebuffers are stone age tools, not suitable for anything real |
| 09:49.45 | valdyn | `Assassin: theyre slow and not versatile |
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| 09:50.30 | valdyn | `Assassin: ( except boot screens, there they do serve a purpose, i guess ) |
| 09:50.53 | uoods | `Assassin: what's stopping you from go to ctrl+alt+f<1-4> and user the fb image viewer? |
| 09:51.02 | `Assassin | Well, console applications tend to be more minimalistic and have mainly keyboard interfaces. It seems like a faster way to work while at the computer. |
| 09:51.06 | prince_jammys | nixjr: one difference is that the ubuntu community has more patience with beginners. But debian's OK there also. You should just try it. |
| 09:51.20 | valdyn | `Assassin: use some window manager like xmonad |
| 09:51.25 | Bushmills | `Assassin: there's an X server on top of frame buffer console. that way, you can run any X client on frame buffer |
| 09:51.46 | valdyn | `Assassin: *that* is keyboard friendly without throwing away graphical capabilities |
| 09:51.49 | fake51 | hi, could use some help with a hacked server, if anyone has a minute or two |
| 09:52.05 | valdyn | Bushmills: but that would be *really* silly |
| 09:52.09 | nixjr | prince_jammys, so i could be confident with my meagre command line skills, and access to google+irc, i should handle a transition with relative ease? |
| 09:52.09 | uoods | fake51: just ask, don't ask to ask |
| 09:52.13 | neoice | fake51: the advice everyone is likely to give is "back everything up and then reinstall 100%" |
| 09:52.31 | prince_jammys | nixjr: yes. |
| 09:52.34 | Bushmills | valdyn: not to achieve the goal: compatibility. and thereby the freedom to run anything. |
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| 09:52.51 | fake51 | uoods, fair point. Mainly looking at establishing how it was broken into - and how I would check main files |
| 09:52.53 | Bushmills | well, say "anything non-accelerated" |
| 09:52.59 | valdyn | Bushmills: running an fb image viewer while X is using the framebuffer is not compatibility |
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| 09:53.13 | `Assassin | Maybe I'll just install viewnor and forget about it. |
| 09:53.22 | prince_jammys | nixjr: you may (or may not) have a headache getting certain hardware to work, but this is true also in ubuntu. |
| 09:53.23 | fake51 | neoice, I don't need the server for much longer, so that's luckily not a concern - it's a vps that'll get wiped soon |
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| 09:53.44 | valdyn | `Assassin: theres quite a few window manager that specialise in "dropping" the mouse |
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| 09:54.00 | Bushmills | valdyn: but running an X image viewer on X because it *could* be run in X on frame buffer console eliminates the need to run an image viewer which supports frame buffer console. |
| 09:54.12 | fake51 | so anyway, how would I go about checking if a given executable (say ps) has been tampered with? |
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| 09:54.18 | uoods | fake51: if it's not a kiddie, the logs are probably already erased and tampered with |
| 09:54.28 | nixjr | prince_jammys, everything i have worked out of the box on ubuntu, are drivers not low level enough to be the same in debian and ubuntu? |
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| 09:54.52 | fake51 | uoods, I'm pretty sure it's a bot/kiddie - a tool for download hosting was installed, but the firewall blocked it |
| 09:54.58 | naoshige | Is there any way to mass grab all the sound files at http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/specialreports/saveoursounds/index.shtml somehow? |
| 09:55.07 | prince_jammys | nixjr: no, everything could very well work out of the box in debian too. Ubuntu does make it easier to install proprietary drivers, if you did that. |
| 09:55.09 | fake51 | and noone ever fixed the firewall - hence, the breakin was automatic or done by an idiot |
| 09:55.15 | uoods | fake51: use things such as debsums and/or find with with the time options |
| 09:55.25 | yagoo | naoshige, no. |
| 09:55.27 | nixjr | prince_jammys, ah, i think i installed some nvidia drivers |
| 09:55.44 | prince_jammys | nixjr: ... but that's also doable in debian. i use proprietary nvidia ones in one box. |
| 09:55.51 | iscario | Hello! I would like to set-up Wake-On-Lan for my debian, but i can't succeed. Can anybody help me here ? thx |
| 09:56.01 | uoods | fake51: also chkrootkit, rkhunter |
| 09:56.07 | valdyn | iscario: thats not a function of debian but of your bios |
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| 09:56.35 | fake51 | uoods, i've run rkhunter, that's what put me on to the files |
| 09:56.38 | iscario | valdyn, i enabled this function in bios, but it is not sufficient |
| 09:56.39 | prince_jammys | nixjr: so if you're curious, just try it. the things that ubuntu made easier are not that radical. |
| 09:56.41 | Bushmills | iscario: you can install a tool to send especially crafted network packets to you card, to trigger the WOL |
| 09:56.46 | aton | hi |
| 09:56.52 | valdyn | iscario: how is that not sufficient? |
| 09:57.00 | Bushmills | but the setup of actually *doing* the WOL must be done seperately |
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| 09:57.03 | fake51 | uoods, it told me phalanx2 might be the culprit, trying to establish how I would check if that's true or not |
| 09:57.05 | koskoz | hi guys |
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| 09:57.20 | aton | i am having a problem in xorg/kde, the screen resolution (1920x1050) doesnt appear, but instead some smaller 4x3 resolutions... |
| 09:57.24 | valdyn | iscario: if your mainboard firmware, aka bios cannot switch on your computer according to wol, then nothing can |
| 09:57.26 | prince_jammys | nixjr: they're only radical to someone who's going to freak out if they have to read a doc, or type a command or two (which you probably had to do in ubuntu anyway) |
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| 09:58.02 | aton | i tried editing xorg.conf, then pressed ctrl+alt+backspace to restart x, but xorg.conf reverted to the old version |
| 09:58.10 | valdyn | aton: try xrandr |
| 09:58.43 | nixjr | prince_jammys, before i used ubuntu, the first distro i tried was slackware, in hindsight i think it was a bad first choice, i got the os installed and kde, but give up after a couple day not being able to get my sound going, is my slackware experince goign to be more similar to debian then my ubuntu one? |
| 09:58.45 | koskoz | I've got a locale problem. If I type "locale" I get the following lines : http://paste.debian.net/109624/ |
| 09:58.49 | iscario | valdyn, weel i don't know. In the bios, the wol option is enabled. But the led on the nic never light up. I installed ethtool, which tell me that my Nick is well configured for WOL. So, i do not know.... |
| 09:58.49 | aton | No protocol specified |
| 09:58.49 | aton | Can't open display :0.0 |
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| 09:59.06 | aton | valdyn: the avaiable modes should appear, right? |
| 09:59.11 | prince_jammys | nixjr: nah, debian's pretty easy to install these days. |
| 09:59.12 | valdyn | aton: yes |
| 09:59.30 | Bushmills | nixjr: with supported hardware, debian tends to run out of the box |
| 09:59.38 | valdyn | aton: dont need to run it as root |
| 09:59.41 | iscario | Bushmills, i installed wakeonlan on an other computer in my lan. It seems it send the right packetd |
| 10:00.04 | valdyn | iscario: this is a hardware problem, not debian related |
| 10:00.05 | aton | valdyn: ah ok, now it shows the same modes as kde does, but not the native one |
| 10:00.13 | Bushmills | iscario: that's good. then the network card only need to signal the power supply to power up |
| 10:00.25 | valdyn | aton: i see, kde uses the same xrandr anyway |
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| 10:00.44 | uoods | fake51: hmm, I don't know maybe try to run it in a vm? strings/hexeditor it, or upload it to virustotal? |
| 10:00.47 | valdyn | aton: put up /var/log/Xorg.0.log on a paste site |
| 10:00.55 | iscario | valdyn, i was afraid so. I wonder wether it could depends on the way i halt my debian (special shutdown option... ). |
| 10:01.12 | iscario | ok Bushmills |
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| 10:01.27 | fake51 | uoods, good points, I'll try that - checking timestamps also proved a good idea, lots of files changed at the same time |
| 10:01.38 | valdyn | iscario: no, theres only 2 modes, one is the soft off, the only one that debian or any os can do, and thats the right one, and the other is your psu button |
| 10:01.44 | nixjr | i cant recall what distro, ive tried a few and given up, but i remember have to manually enter supported monitor rates and settings into a X config file, and having to quite sse, sse2, mmx etc for every app i compiled, i really dont want to have to try and do that again, its the reason i went to ubuntu instead |
| 10:01.53 | Bushmills | and the main board must know too, to power the devices which aren't essential for detecting a WOL condition. |
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| 10:02.40 | iscario | ok thx for the piece of information valdyn and Bushmills ! |
| 10:02.52 | prince_jammys | nixjr: you won't have to do that. |
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| 10:03.33 | prince_jammys | doesn't debian even have a gui installer these days? |
| 10:03.45 | valdyn | prince_jammys: makes about no difference |
| 10:03.46 | prince_jammys | probably has had one for years :) |
| 10:03.53 | valdyn | prince_jammys: yes |
| 10:04.30 | nixjr | really? of all the distros i tried ubuntu was the only one with a gui installer, i didnt try debian though |
| 10:05.17 | prince_jammys | this has changed in the past few years. |
| 10:06.12 | nixjr | i tried slackware a a couple other distros about 6 years ago, too hard, gave up, went back to windows, i just dared to give linux another go last year with ubuntu |
| 10:06.49 | prince_jammys | times are different. it's much easier to get a linux system up and running |
| 10:07.02 | nixjr | those first impressions have left me with a sour taste in my mouth lol |
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| 10:07.28 | prince_jammys | well, you'll see that's no longer the case |
| 10:08.48 | prince_jammys | i have debian on a thinkpad laptop, an old ibook, two pcs -- all installed without problem, and quickly. |
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| 10:12.20 | prince_jammys | nixjr: ... and two powerpcs (forgot). I didn't have to struggle with any of them. |
| 10:12.49 | nixjr | powerpc's are old macs right? |
| 10:12.53 | prince_jammys | there, that's my pitch. |
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| 10:12.54 | prince_jammys | yes |
| 10:13.09 | prince_jammys | but not all these machines are old |
| 10:13.52 | prince_jammys | one of them runs one of those cutesy media centers. so .. yeah, go debian. |
| 10:14.06 | prince_jammys | i put debian on every thing that crosses my path. |
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| 10:15.50 | Bushmills | pictures prince_jammys chasing a tram to install debian on it. |
| 10:15.59 | prince_jammys | even my cats run debian |
| 10:17.02 | nixjr | i know a lot of my user experience is actually based around kde, and not ubuntu itself, if i wanted to also put something more lightweight then kde on debian, is there any difference between installed that on debian, and using another distro that some with it out of the box? |
| 10:17.15 | prince_jammys | i use fluxbox |
| 10:17.18 | nixjr | come* |
| 10:17.36 | prince_jammys | you can put any WM/DE you fancy on there. |
| 10:18.09 | nixjr | it doesnt make a differecne if i put fluxbox on debian, or get a distro that comes with fluxbox already setup? |
| 10:18.34 | prince_jammys | no difference. you could put fluxbox on ubuntu, too. |
| 10:18.34 | valdyn | nixjr: debian supports many window managers equally well |
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| 10:18.53 | gribouille | hi |
| 10:19.19 | prince_jammys | nixjr: these things are modular, so it doesn't matter. they are not tied to the OS |
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| 10:20.48 | Bushmills | nixjr: installing a WM yourself, as compared to installing a distribution preconfigured for and with that WM, puts the responsability to set up and customize your desktop into your hands |
| 10:21.57 | prince_jammys | that's the main difference. so unless that's a big deal to you ... |
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| 10:22.23 | nixjr | sorry if these are very basic questions, i think ive established that any window managers could go on any distro, and any app could be installed on any distro, so once youve stripped those away, what are you actually left with, is it just the kernal? |
| 10:22.28 | prince_jammys | though i suspect the average ubuntu user configures the crap out of the desktop, also. |
| 10:22.39 | valdyn | nixjr: no |
| 10:22.41 | valdyn | nixjr: the packages |
| 10:23.16 | valdyn | nixjr: packages and their dependencies are defined by how a distro packages those wms, kernels, whatever |
| 10:23.28 | Bushmills | nixjr: a lot of functionality comes from the libraries, installed along with packages, containing code which is reused among several programs. |
| 10:23.35 | nixjr | so these packages, theyre what define the differences between distros? |
| 10:23.45 | valdyn | nixjr: part of it yes |
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| 10:24.55 | prince_jammys | also attitudes towards how/when to release, tradeoffs between stability/new software ... |
| 10:25.07 | valdyn | nixjr: see, fluxbox is distributed upstream as source code, debian or any distro create a package according to their specific policy |
| 10:25.07 | koskoz | anyone ? |
| 10:25.09 | koskoz | I've got a locale problem. If I type "locale" I get the following lines : http://paste.debian.net/109624/ |
| 10:25.25 | nixjr | Bushmills, ah yeah i experienced that, when i added openoffice to my box it only needed to downlaod 10mb, when my windows mate got openoffice with was over 100mb |
| 10:25.40 | jelly-home | nixjr: the packages are just a result of the packaging policies and processes in a distro |
| 10:25.42 | valdyn | koskoz: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 10:26.04 | jelly-home | nixjr: and these days 10MB or 100MB doesn't make much of a difference |
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| 10:26.32 | valdyn | nixjr: windows has no dependency management at all |
| 10:26.35 | aton | valdyn: i cvt to get a modeline, then xrandr --newmode and xrandr --addmode default 1920x1050, but when i do xrandr --output default --mode 1920x1050 it says xrandr: Configure crtc 0 failed |
| 10:26.51 | jelly-home | koskoz: which debian release are you using? |
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| 10:27.26 | valdyn | aton: did you put up your Xorg.0.log ? |
| 10:27.28 | jelly-home | that lowercase .utf8 is unusual for Debian |
| 10:27.37 | aton | valdyn: one second |
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| 10:27.40 | gribouille | hi |
| 10:27.47 | koskoz | jelly-home: squeeze |
| 10:27.58 | nixjr | so its the policies, rather then what actually comes on the install cd, that defines the distro? |
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| 10:28.07 | gribouille | if the password in /etc/shadow is *, is it possible to log with ssh ? |
| 10:28.19 | aton | valdyn: is there a nopaste script for debian? |
| 10:28.23 | valdyn | nixjr: sure |
| 10:28.52 | jelly-home | koskoz: how did you log in, or, are you sharing /home with a different distro? |
| 10:29.14 | koskoz | valdyn: I don't have dpkg-reconfigure, is that normal ? |
| 10:29.21 | prince_jammys | aton: there's a pastebin prog called 'pastebinit', if that's what you mean. |
| 10:29.22 | valdyn | !pastewithoutx |
| 10:29.22 | dpkg | Install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://paste.debian.net; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://paste.debian.net/ ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste, or ask me about <paste2pastebin pipe> |
| 10:29.24 | nixjr | perhaps i was a bit click-happy during my ubuntu install, but i dont recall seeing any message about "our policies" when i installed it, should that be a very important thing? |
| 10:29.26 | Bushmills | koskoz: become root |
| 10:29.28 | jelly-home | koskoz: it's a root command. |
| 10:29.36 | nixjr | souldnt* |
| 10:29.37 | koskoz | jelly-home: via SSH and I'm not sharing my /home with other distro |
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| 10:29.52 | valdyn | !tell aton -about paste |
| 10:30.21 | Bushmills | and there's also pastebinit |
| 10:30.24 | valdyn | nixjr: why would you want to read ubuntus policies? |
| 10:30.44 | nixjr | valdyn, i thought thats what makes ubuntu, ubuntu? |
| 10:30.49 | jelly-home | koskoz: after you add/fix your locale settings with "dpkg-reconfigure locales", you'll have to log out and log back in |
| 10:30.57 | valdyn | nixjr: that does not mean that you need to read it |
| 10:31.08 | koskoz | ok I ran dpkg-reconfigure, selected fr_FR.UTF8 in the first prompt and en_EN.UTF8 in the second, and then I run "locale" I still have the same issue |
| 10:31.13 | koskoz | oh, ok |
| 10:31.39 | jelly-home | koskoz: figure out what sets the "fr_FR.utf8" setting instead of "fr_FR.UTF-8" |
| 10:31.44 | koskoz | thanks guys, it seems to work |
| 10:31.44 | Bushmills | nixjr: i don't think that debian is really authorized to judge the importance of the ubuntu policy message when installing ubuntu. |
| 10:32.06 | Bushmills | nixjr: that's probably something you better ask on #ubuntu |
| 10:32.09 | nixjr | Bushmills, what i meant was i dont recall seeing anyhting about any polocies |
| 10:32.12 | koskoz | after login out and in when I type locale I don't have those 3 lines anymore |
| 10:32.21 | valdyn | nixjr: ubuntu "support" like 1000 packages and put everything else in multiverse, whih is just recompiled debian packages. Thats written somewhere for example, but im sure you dont get to read that in the installer |
| 10:32.58 | nixjr | valdyn, i assume the legical next step for me would be to read debians polocies and see what i think of them, if i dont like them, then read the polocies for another distro etc |
| 10:33.02 | prince_jammys | nixjr: i doubt you'll see it in debian's installer, either. You may read about that at the respective web sites. |
| 10:33.06 | valdyn | nixjr: no |
| 10:33.20 | valdyn | nixjr: thats a misunderstanding |
| 10:34.13 | valdyn | nixjr: a distro has rules or policy. According to those rules its created, but that policy does not really tell you what you need to know as a user, it only tells what *developers* need to follow |
| 10:34.25 | Bushmills | nixjr: yes, if the way you're using an operating system is sensitive to the license it comes with, you should read them, of course. |
| 10:35.27 | jelly-home | valdyn: policy _is_ useful if a user wants to determine whether the focus of the distro developers (and their end product) suits the user |
| 10:36.09 | valdyn | jelly-home: sometimes |
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| 10:36.32 | prince_jammys | just freakin install it |
| 10:36.34 | jelly-home | nixjr: but the packaging policy is just a part of the picture. Usually a distro has other written or unwritten goals and rules |
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| 10:37.40 | nixjr | if any WM and any apps can be installed on distro, and the only point of difference are the polcies and rules the define their packaging etc, then those polocies would be the onyl factor in my decision? |
| 10:37.50 | valdyn | nixjr: id put it this way: The rules and policy express the goals, but you as a user care about the *state*, before you care about the goals |
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| 10:37.53 | aton | whats the suggested aptitude tutorial? (non window, non curses) |
| 10:38.20 | prince_jammys | nixjr: there's a "why debian" section at debian.org. Read that, and the DFSG |
| 10:38.32 | nixjr | prince_jammys, will do |
| 10:38.51 | valdyn | nixjr: even though they *can* be installed, some distros packages more, some less different WM and apps |
| 10:39.01 | Bushmills | nixjr: "if you can run <a popular webbrowser> on either windows, bsd, linux and others, it doesn't really matter what operating system you run it under" ? |
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| 10:39.24 | Python1320 | Is there a way to to modify iptables so that when you connect to tcp port 22 it redirects the request to port 10022 for example? |
| 10:39.31 | jelly-home | nixjr: eg. Debian has its Social Contact and DFSG. Ubuntu has its own sets of promises, and values. Etc. |
| 10:39.37 | valdyn | Python1320: yes |
| 10:39.48 | valdyn | Python1320: please tell us your goal, not your imaginary solution |
| 10:39.51 | prince_jammys | nixjr: aside from the policies etc, you may be also drawn to the community of users. |
| 10:39.53 | Python1320 | valdyn, okay |
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| 10:40.20 | valdyn | Python1320: because sometimes iptables is the wrong place to do this |
| 10:40.45 | hid3 | Is there a periodical mount count or time interval forced fsck check in XFS, like it used to be in ext2/3? |
| 10:41.02 | valdyn | hid3: xfs does an fsck at mount time |
| 10:41.29 | valdyn | hid3: but theres no setup for a complete fsck like in ext3 |
| 10:41.37 | Python1320 | I'm trying to make so that when you connect to ssh you don't face the ssh daemon but my application that grants access to ssh. So basically ssh would listen, by default on 22, but with iptables rules I could sort of grant access to individual ips. |
| 10:41.48 | hid3 | valdyn: so there's no need to check it at regular intervals manually, right? |
| 10:41.55 | nixjr | thanks for all the guidance everyone, sorry if ive gone a bit off topic, i guess im still struggling with the fundamentals, ive got a bit of reading to do |
| 10:42.03 | valdyn | Python1320: why dont you simply restrict ssh access to certain ips? |
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| 10:42.16 | Python1320 | valdyn, because I may be connecting from anywhere |
| 10:42.19 | gerts | Are there any FOSS project which have had great access by attending at FOSS evens to make awarenes of there community? does it work in fact? |
| 10:42.30 | valdyn | Python1320: then why the seperate layer? |
| 10:42.41 | Python1320 | My school network lets me only through port 22 to my server. |
| 10:42.54 | valdyn | Python1320: so use port 22 |
| 10:43.09 | valdyn | Python1320: ssh already has an authentication mechanism, why add another? |
| 10:43.09 | aton | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/ULyJKkeY |
| 10:43.26 | aton | valdyn: sorry, took me a few minutes to find out about aptitude and pastebinit, i am very new too debian |
| 10:43.29 | Bushmills | Python1320: consider to install a vpn, connect to it on port 22, and tunnel any traffic to any port you like through it. |
| 10:43.50 | Python1320 | valdyn, mainly to experiment what kind of twisted setups I can make. |
| 10:44.07 | Python1320 | Bushmills, school computers don't even let me press the windows repair button. |
| 10:45.01 | Python1320 | valdyn, fail2ban log shows ridiculous amount of ssh bruteforcing. I more or less want to confuse the bruters. |
| 10:45.10 | valdyn | aton: youre using the vesa driver |
| 10:45.26 | aton | valdyn: and i need to use which one? |
| 10:45.30 | aton | geforce gtx 580 |
| 10:45.41 | jelly-home | Python1320: disable password auth, use only key-based, and ignore the bruteforce attacks |
| 10:45.47 | Bushmills | Python1320: throttle ssh connection attempts, through iptables. |
| 10:45.47 | jelly-home | problem solved |
| 10:45.52 | valdyn | aton: which debian release is this? |
| 10:46.04 | aton | uhm how do i find out? |
| 10:46.16 | valdyn | aton: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 10:46.48 | valdyn | Python1320: use fail2ban |
| 10:46.48 | aton | valdyn: 5.0.8 |
| 10:46.59 | valdyn | Python1320: that does alot, by default, without much fiddling |
| 10:47.10 | Bushmills | and ... "the bruters" are programs on computers. no use in "confusing" them. they either retry or hop to the next target |
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| 10:47.16 | valdyn | aton: you want to upgrade to squeeze, thats the new stable |
| 10:47.21 | jelly-home | valdyn: umm... <Python1320> valdyn, fail2ban log shows [...] <valdyn> Python1320: use fail2ban |
| 10:47.33 | valdyn | jelly-home: oops |
| 10:47.34 | jelly-home | valdyn: what's wrong with this quote |
| 10:49.22 | Bushmills | it's not quoted :P |
| 10:49.41 | aton | valdyn: okay |
| 10:50.16 | aton | valdyn: http://www.go2linux.org/how-to-upgrade-from-debian-lenny-to-squeeze <- is this okay? |
| 10:50.34 | Bushmills | !lenny to squeeze |
| 10:51.00 | Bushmills | !lenny |
| 10:51.00 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-15 and superseded by Squeeze as of 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 . Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>, <lenny release notes>, <install lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.8>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
| 10:51.14 | Bushmills | !lenny->squeeze |
| 10:51.25 | prince_jammys | :) |
| 10:51.55 | valdyn | aton: seems ok. Upgrading is slightly more work than needed just to get your nvidia card going properly, but I assume that you would want to upgrade anyway at some point |
| 10:52.08 | aton | correct |
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| 10:52.56 | valdyn | aton: now, after upgrading the nv driver will be used I think. if not, and even if, you might still want to use the nvidia proprietary drivers, those are packaged in debian aswell |
| 10:53.24 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell aton about lenny->squeeze |
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| 10:54.21 | aton | Feh http://volatile.debian.org squeeze/volatile/main Sources |
| 10:54.24 | aton | :( |
| 10:54.40 | valdyn | !volatile |
| 10:54.40 | dpkg | Squeeze users, ask me about <squeeze volatile>. Debian Volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <oldstable> distribution up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. http://www.debian.org/volatile/ |
| 10:54.41 | aton | jelly-home: didnt work |
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| 10:55.13 | aton | dpkg: squeeze volatile |
| 10:55.13 | dpkg | The Debian <Volatile> archive is discontinued starting from Debian 6.0, replaced by the squeeze-updates suite on official mirrors. Your squeeze sources.list could have "deb http://cdn.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free". http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110215 . Not to be confused with <squeeze/updates>, ask me about <security>. |
| 10:55.15 | jelly-home | aton: you did not get a private message from dpkg? |
| 10:55.21 | aton | no |
| 10:55.31 | jelly-home | in a separate window/tab? |
| 10:55.34 | aton | ah yes i got |
| 10:55.47 | aton | fresh irssi install, shortcuts dont work |
| 10:55.58 | jelly-home | aton: use /msg dpkg stuff to ask it in private |
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| 10:58.49 | pozic | What is good software to keep track of time spent per task? |
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| 10:59.16 | aton | jelly-home: k |
| 10:59.55 | aton | normally i'd use aptitude, right? why apt-get for switch to squeeze? |
| 11:00.08 | aton | upgrade needs x restart, brb |
| 11:00.28 | adrianlang | aton: Since apt-get got way better, it is now recommended for commandline actions |
| 11:00.43 | adrianlang | way better than it used to be, that is |
| 11:01.01 | aton | ah ok |
| 11:01.01 | adrianlang | You can still use aptitude |
| 11:01.09 | aton | na, if apt is better |
| 11:01.22 | aton | i used debian like 7 years ago or so, aptitude didnt exist |
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| 11:01.43 | adrianlang | No, the difference is that apt-get is not worse anymore. Itâs not better |
| 11:02.12 | prince_jammys | does it have minesweeper? |
| 11:02.22 | jelly-home | aton: in this particular case, apt-get acts better. |
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| 11:02.55 | jelly-home | aptitude CLI is still recommended for normal usage |
| 11:03.19 | adrianlang | Someone here involved in packaging PHP? |
| 11:03.40 | adrianlang | jelly-home: It acts better? Indeed? Didnât know that. |
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| 11:04.23 | hooman | hello |
| 11:04.29 | jelly-home | adrianlang: for the lenny -> squeeze upgrade, yes. aptitude gets confused when lots of dependency changes are introduced |
| 11:05.13 | adrianlang | jelly-home: Ah ok. Pity that they still act different, though. |
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| 11:05.34 | hooman | why nothing spaek |
| 11:05.54 | hooman | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:05.58 | hooman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:12.06 | aton | after apt-get update i can do apt-get dist-upgrade and squeeze is ready, right? |
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| 11:18.16 | danny_ | Hi |
| 11:18.18 | danny_ | I have a problem, I got a server with Debian 6.0 Stable and I install the awstats with apt-get install awstats |
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| 11:18.33 | danny_ | But when I configure the lighttpd.conf and restart the servers I got that message: |
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| 11:18.57 | danny_ | Duplicate config variable in conditional 0 global: alias.url |
| 11:18.58 | danny_ | 2011-03-05 12:06:24: (configfile.c.912) source: /etc/lighttpd/lighttpd.conf line: 50 pos: 1 parser failed somehow near here: (EOL) |
| 11:19.14 | valdyn | aton: after a reboot it should be ready |
| 11:19.26 | aton | valdyn: cool, thanks |
| 11:19.26 | valdyn | aton: since squeeze uses a newer kernel |
| 11:19.34 | aton | oh it updates my kernel?? |
| 11:19.42 | aton | so i need to manually update grub? |
| 11:19.49 | valdyn | aton: no |
| 11:20.06 | valdyn | aton: it does not remove your old kernel, it adds a newer one, or it should add a newer one |
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| 11:20.47 | aton | so i need to update menu.list to point to it i guess |
| 11:20.53 | valdyn | aton: no |
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| 11:21.11 | aton | okay even better |
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| 11:21.26 | valdyn | aton: if you dont have some exotic custom setup its all automagic |
| 11:22.50 | neoice | anyone know what it means when "free" reports a ton of usage in buffers used but there's no corresponding memory usage according to top/ps output? |
| 11:23.06 | valdyn | neoice: top shows the same buffers |
| 11:23.33 | danny_ | anyone can help me? :/ |
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| 11:24.14 | neoice | valdyn: ps aux shows about 100 process, each using less than 0.1% memory, but the buffers claim 3.5GB in use |
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| 11:24.57 | valdyn | neoice: so? |
| 11:25.05 | valdyn | neoice: show us, paste |
| 11:25.12 | valdyn | !tell neoice -about paste |
| 11:25.12 | neoice | friend's just curious |
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| 11:25.24 | neoice | http://pastebin.com/HsjXdJUH |
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| 11:25.38 | valdyn | neoice: yea, but id like to see the paste before i interpret hearsay |
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| 11:26.17 | neoice | my understanding of "free" explains why you usually dont have much memory free, but the buffers should be sane |
| 11:26.21 | Guest74566 | hello |
| 11:26.44 | valdyn | neoice: the buffers are used by the kernel, not by apps, so app memory usage cannot show the buffers created by the kernel |
| 11:27.10 | valdyn | neoice: network devices, harddisks, sound devices, all need buffers |
| 11:28.02 | neoice | valdyn: would an SSD cause high memory usage? |
| 11:28.09 | valdyn | neoice: no? |
| 11:28.27 | neoice | well than I'm not sure how to explain this to him. I'll go back to the googles. thanks |
| 11:28.52 | valdyn | neoice: buffers are always needed on computers, everywhere, for communication between hardware components |
| 11:29.23 | neoice | just seems like 3GB is a lot more than I'd expect |
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| 11:29.34 | valdyn | neoice: i dont see 3G buffers |
| 11:29.42 | valdyn | neoice: i see 176MB buffers |
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| 11:30.50 | neoice | are we wrong for looking at the second line, "buffers/cache" ? |
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| 11:31.25 | valdyn | neoice: the 2nd line substracts buffers and cache from the total memory usage |
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| 11:31.49 | valdyn | neoice: and in the 618 adds buffers and cache to the "real" free memory |
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| 11:32.34 | aton | fuck, the apt-get dist-upgrade window got killed, i removed the lock file to restart the process, now it says i need to do dpkg --configure manually... |
| 11:33.13 | aton | is there some repair mechanism? |
| 11:33.36 | valdyn | neoice: you should read about the mmap system call, it uses memory, but its not properly listed anywhere |
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| 11:35.00 | pozic | valdyn: you don't need any software buffers larger than one bit for a working computer. |
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| 11:57.34 | ferz | Hi |
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| 12:01.26 | ferz | I'm a debian newbie, which is the package with pg_config (postgresql 8.4.5) or how to find it? I'm not the sysadmin and I don't want to waste anything in system config. |
| 12:01.52 | ferz | just to have pg_config to install some custom programs |
| 12:02.04 | ferz | in my homedir |
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| 12:03.38 | lord_rob | ferz: use apt-file |
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| 12:05.23 | lord_rob | apt-file search filename |
| 12:05.27 | ferz | apt-file seems not exists in the path |
| 12:05.59 | lord_rob | you have to install it first ... |
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| 12:06.19 | ferz | it's a 2.6.26-2-amd64 GNU/Linux |
| 12:06.25 | ferz | lord_rob: thank you |
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| 12:20.13 | ham5 | thx for fixing synaptic |
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| 12:22.45 | lord_rob | but anyway, if you want postgres in debian, you'll get a big sysadmin package :) |
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| 12:22.59 | lord_rob | or you install by hand |
| 12:23.06 | lord_rob | from sources |
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| 12:24.28 | masterkorp | hello, can i configure apt do have a more KISS behaviour ? So i dont edit the config files by thenself, it leaves a new version or something so that i can merga manually. |
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| 12:25.56 | oiij | hi, how can i deny ssh login for a certain user? |
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| 12:26.46 | masterkorp | oiij: check the ssh config file |
| 12:27.04 | ham5 | easy google oiij ;\ |
| 12:27.38 | oiij | whops sorry |
| 12:27.45 | oiij | found it |
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| 12:38.28 | Mortvert | Oh hi. |
| 12:38.39 | Mortvert | Do you know if debian embedded can run X server? |
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| 12:45.18 | masterkorp | hello, can i configure apt do have a more KISS behaviour ? So i dont edit the config files by thenself, it leaves a new version or something so that i can merge them manually. |
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| 12:46.35 | b0rsuk | Hi, I know 'ldd' shows me what libraries an executable needs. How do I check *where* does it look for these libraries so I can create a symlink ? |
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| 12:49.34 | infinity0 | i'm having trouble getting my esata expresscard to work |
| 12:49.40 | simonrvn | it shows you in the output |
| 12:49.45 | simonrvn | b0rsuk: ^^ |
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| 12:49.57 | infinity0 | anyone know about the sata_sil24 module? |
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| 12:50.19 | simonrvn | !sata_sil24 |
| 12:50.47 | b0rsuk | simonrvn: Not exactly... unless it tries to look for them in the application directory ? |
| 12:50.48 | simonrvn | infinity0: pci id ? (lspci -nn) |
| 12:50.50 | b0rsuk | ./libs/Dwarf_Fortress: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 12:51.15 | simonrvn | not my problem ;p |
| 12:51.19 | b0rsuk | simonrvn: But thanks, I've found a howto on how to set up this thing on 64bit debian. |
| 12:51.23 | infinity0 | simonrvn: 06:00.0 Mass storage controller [0180]: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3132 Serial ATA Raid II Controller [1095:3132] (rev 01) |
| 12:51.27 | infinity0 | is the relevant device, i think |
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| 12:51.34 | simonrvn | you can make a symlink a something |
| 12:51.43 | simonrvn | infinity0: lspci -nn |
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| 12:52.18 | simonrvn | ,pciid 1095:3132 |
| 12:52.18 | judd | [1095:3132] is 'SiI 3132 Serial ATA Raid II Controller' from 'Silicon Image, Inc.' with kernel module 'sata_sil24' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1095:3132 |
| 12:52.18 | infinity0 | simonrvn: http://pastebin.com/VME9jihw |
| 12:52.23 | valdyn | b0rsuk: you just dont have it installed, the package providing that file |
| 12:52.25 | sash_ | is xfce 4.8 in debian testing or is testing still quite similar to stable? |
| 12:52.42 | simonrvn | infinity0: don't bother, but thanks |
| 12:52.50 | simonrvn | sash_: no, and no |
| 12:53.26 | sash_ | but in unstable, i guess? |
| 12:53.27 | simonrvn | infinity0: what's the problem exactly? |
| 12:53.32 | simonrvn | no |
| 12:53.37 | b0rsuk | valdyn: It turns out ia32-libs doesn't contain 32bit versions of libsdl-ttf and libsdl-image. Have to unpack them manually. |
| 12:53.42 | sash_ | k... |
| 12:53.58 | simonrvn | it's being worked on, SIYH, sash_ |
| 12:54.23 | nevyn | or lesstif/motif |
| 12:54.29 | valdyn | b0rsuk: is32-libs does not contain alot of stuff that is nonetheless packaged |
| 12:54.29 | Mortvert | hm |
| 12:54.32 | b0rsuk | Another question: a while ago I could restart my network connection with "/etc/init.d/networking restart". But this no longer works - what's the new way to do it ? |
| 12:54.39 | Mortvert | how i can copy all of /bin /dev /etc /home /sbin /usr /var to /mnt with one command? |
| 12:54.49 | valdyn | b0rsuk: the same |
| 12:54.59 | infinity0 | simonrvn: system wasn't detecting drive. actually i'll go have another poke about, it's listed in disk utility |
| 12:55.13 | nevyn | and qt is in ia32-libs-gtk |
| 12:55.13 | infinity0 | maybe just my problem that switching from usb to esata means i have to change fstab or something |
| 12:55.20 | sash_ | simonrvn: thanks |
| 12:55.26 | infinity0 | ty for confirming that debian knows about that hardware tho, i'll remember that link :) |
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| 12:55.46 | simonrvn | infinity0: disk utility? the mac os thingy? |
| 12:55.53 | infinity0 | there's a gnome version |
| 12:55.58 | infinity0 | well i'm sure it's separate |
| 12:56.02 | simonrvn | oh |
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| 12:56.03 | b0rsuk | nevyn: I have both ia32 packages installed, including the gtk one. |
| 12:56.40 | infinity0 | simonrvn: oh it's actually palimpsest but it's called "disk utility" in the menus |
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| 12:57.47 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 12:58.32 | infinity0 | simonrvn: cool, it works. just had to edit crypttab, so my fault lol. thanks :) |
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| 12:58.59 | simonrvn | hehe, np |
| 12:59.22 | infinity0 | would /dev/disk/by-uuid be better? as in, would that have stayed constant when swtiching between usb/esata mode? |
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| 12:59.47 | simonrvn | likely |
| 12:59.50 | simonrvn | ;p |
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| 13:03.16 | infinity0 | cool, ty :) |
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| 13:03.32 | Mortvert | hm |
| 13:03.49 | Mortvert | cp -r /usr /mnt is taking quite bit of time |
| 13:03.57 | xplosiv | Is debian a suitable for a VPS? |
| 13:04.59 | b0rsuk | :q |
| 13:05.03 | b0rsuk | Heh |
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| 13:06.27 | Tide | Hi ! |
| 13:06.42 | Tide | I have a problem with adobe flash player and Opera web browse ... |
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| 13:06.56 | Tide | Opera can't detect Flash, but he don't say "flash plugin not found" >< |
| 13:07.49 | Tide | But i have uninstall en reinstall Flash, he don't work again :/ |
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| 13:26.54 | Slie | oh and wrt broke my reset button |
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| 13:38.52 | claint | Slie: does your router serve dhcp? |
| 13:39.20 | claint | Slie: route -n to see your current routes. otherwise you can scan the network with nmap. |
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| 13:48.15 | mike-w | i've just got a question:how can i get language support in debian? |
| 13:49.11 | waclaw | Hello! :-) I'm planning to install Debian on my PC, and I'd like to get the non-netinst version, but I don't know which images to download. :S What is the requisite minimum? I recall downloading Debian once, and getting like the first four CDs... |
| 13:49.48 | mike-w | anyone who see my question? |
| 13:50.01 | martinex | you need first CD to install debian system |
| 13:50.01 | waclaw | mike-w: What do you mean by language support? |
| 13:50.11 | martinex | rest is optional with add packages |
| 13:50.23 | martinex | wich you can download from net on you own |
| 13:50.42 | mike-w | exactly,i want language packages in some other language |
| 13:50.45 | mike-w | not english |
| 13:50.54 | martinex | waclaw where comin from? |
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| 13:51.08 | waclaw | martinex: But say I want to have GNOME, and a basic set of GNU tools installed. Is that all on the first CD? |
| 13:51.36 | martinex | my debian supporting polish and english languages, but I can't rembember. I installed some packages by synaptic |
| 13:51.44 | waclaw | martinex: Oh, and as much free software device drivers as possible! |
| 13:51.50 | waclaw | martinex: Heh, yeah, I'm Polish :-) |
| 13:51.58 | StackSlip | anyone want to tell me how to ping sweep my own router using nmap? |
| 13:52.03 | martinex | I was installed from fist CD, rest from internet after install |
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| 13:52.18 | martinex | hehe:D |
| 13:52.23 | martinex | wiedzia³em:D |
| 13:52.40 | mike-w | is there some easy way to get language packadges? |
| 13:52.46 | waclaw | :D |
| 13:53.07 | waclaw | mike-w: In Ubuntu you do System -> Administration -> Language support |
| 13:53.17 | waclaw | Maybe it's the same in Debian, as Ubuntu is a Debian flavour? |
| 13:53.37 | mike-w | sorry,there is no language support in administration |
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| 13:53.42 | mike-w | but in ubuntu |
| 13:53.54 | JmZ | whats the right way to restart networking? since the init script says it is deprecated |
| 13:54.16 | mike-w | i just install debian,and i am using ubuntu yesterday^_^ |
| 13:54.20 | waclaw | :-) |
| 13:54.22 | JmZ | something like ifdown -a then ifup -a? |
| 13:54.40 | JmZ | except i'd be disconnected so unable to run ifup in that case, surely lol |
| 13:54.48 | martinex | sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 13:55.05 | JmZ | yeah but it claims to be deprecated |
| 13:55.10 | martinex | if you have sudo |
| 13:55.22 | JmZ | whats the point in sudo if im already root? |
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| 13:55.40 | JmZ | it still claims to be deprecated, implying there's another way? |
| 13:55.45 | martinex | I am using sudo, I am not loggin on root account |
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| 14:02.41 | Fisherman | Hi. I seem to have problems mounting fat32 automatically in gnome. I can mount them normally with # mount -t vfat ... |
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| 14:03.46 | Fisherman | it seems it thinks it's some kind of ISO or something |
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| 14:05.31 | _L30_ | any help how do i patch the kernel with squashfs+lzma |
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| 14:08.58 | rysiek|pl | yello |
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| 14:09.08 | rysiek|pl | guys, got another strange fsckup |
| 14:09.25 | rysiek|pl | courier-authdaemon crashes on me everytime I try to start it |
| 14:09.34 | rysiek|pl | here's the backtrace: http://wklej.org/id/487197/ |
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| 14:10.17 | Mortvert | ffff- |
| 14:10.19 | rysiek|pl | I am totally lost on this one, as all other courier daemons (pop/pop-ssl/imap/imap-ssl) churn on happily (just can't provide the services, as the authdaemon is down) |
| 14:10.35 | rysiek|pl | Mortvert: ...uuu-? |
| 14:10.45 | Mortvert | nie pytaj. :| |
| 14:10.54 | Mortvert | 2 dni pierdziele sie z moim terminalem i nic mi nie dziala |
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| 14:11.19 | rysiek|pl | uuu... |
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| 14:11.39 | martinex | silna polska spo³eczno¶æ:) |
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| 14:12.54 | Mortvert | tzn. system dziala i moge go sflashowac |
| 14:13.10 | Mortvert | ale nic poza bootem i kernel panicem |
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| 14:16.35 | rysiek|pl | martinex: otre krzaki, panie ;) |
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| 14:17.08 | Mortvert | hm\ |
| 14:17.17 | Mortvert | #debian-pl |
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| 14:18.42 | martinex | bo pewnie nie te kodowanie w terminalu mam:P |
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| 14:18.57 | Mortvert | najpewniej |
| 14:19.01 | Mortvert | chlopaki, pomozecie? |
| 14:19.09 | Mortvert | ja juz sily do tego sprzetu nie mam |
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| 14:22.00 | _L30_ | any help how do i patch the kernel with squashfs+lzma |
| 14:22.02 | _L30_ | ?? |
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| 14:24.22 | jelly-home | _L30_: uh, Debian default kernel already has squashfs and (some) lzma support |
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| 14:24.41 | jelly-home | judd: kconfig CONFIG_SQUASHFS |
| 14:24.43 | judd | Searching for 'CONFIG_SQUASHFS' in squeeze kernel config gives SQUASHFS=m SQUASHFS_FRAGMENT_CACHE_SIZE=3. |
| 14:24.53 | jelly-home | judd: kconfig LZMA |
| 14:24.53 | judd | Searching for 'LZMA' in squeeze kernel config gives HAVE_KERNEL_LZMA=y RD_LZMA=y DECOMPRESS_LZMA=y. |
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| 14:25.22 | _L30_ | ok thanks |
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| 14:28.59 | rysiek|pl | so, anybody can lend a hand with this darn courier authdaemon crash? http://wklej.org/id/487197/ |
| 14:30.02 | _L30_ | judd: i have look for that in the config of the kernel right? |
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| 14:30.33 | _L30_ | can you please elaborate if you dont mind , i am kind of newbie |
| 14:31.07 | cahoot | you're talking to a bot |
| 14:31.49 | cahoot | ...who already told you debian kernels have the support you request |
| 14:31.51 | flo` | hi |
| 14:32.03 | _L30_ | oops :P |
| 14:32.17 | _L30_ | cahoot: how do i configure that? |
| 14:32.23 | flo` | i'm considering an upgrade from lenny to squeeze; do i have to upgrade grub as well? |
| 14:32.40 | flo` | or can i keep grub-legacy (why would i want to upgrade to grub2?) |
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| 14:34.59 | Cozminsky | flo`: proper support for booting from gpt partition tables |
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| 14:36.23 | flo` | Cozminsky, i don't have such, and i will never have on that system. so i do not need to upgrade grub? |
| 14:36.34 | rysiek|pl | flo`: it will ask you along the line, and it will set-up a chainloading from grub-legacy to grub2 |
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| 14:36.54 | hramrach_ | Hello |
| 14:37.03 | flo` | can i also answer "no, i want to use my old grub, dont touch it and don't install grub2"? |
| 14:37.10 | rysiek|pl | flo`: you will be able to move to pure grub2 later manually, if you choose to do so |
| 14:37.18 | rysiek|pl | flo`: don't remember |
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| 14:37.23 | hramrach_ | is that normal that I can't log into a fresh bootstrapped system? |
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| 14:37.51 | flo` | hramrach_, i think so |
| 14:37.53 | mike-w | where can i get language packages? |
| 14:37.54 | rysiek|pl | flo`: but it will most certainly NOT mess with mbr and your grub-legacy setup, beyond setting chainloading into grub2 (leaving other entries intact) |
| 14:38.03 | flo` | hramrach_, you have to set a password for root first |
| 14:38.43 | hramrach_ | flo`: I boot with init=/bin/sh and then keyboard does not work |
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| 14:39.23 | flo` | hramrach_, uhm, that's strange then. i assume it's some kind of driver issue |
| 14:39.44 | flo` | are you sure that it's only the keyboard, not the whole system which is frozen? |
| 14:39.49 | Mortvert | where i can find grub legacy? |
| 14:39.50 | hramrach_ | usb keyboard |
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| 14:40.40 | flo` | hramrach_, that is probably the problem. are you sure to support usb input hardware as keyboards in your kernel? |
| 14:40.46 | rysiek|pl | [spamity-spam] so, anybody can lend a hand with this darn courier authdaemon crash? http://wklej.org/id/487197/ |
| 14:40.56 | flo` | possibly your bios has a setting to "emulate" a standard keyboard |
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| 14:41.07 | hramrach_ | flo`: when I boot normally all works except I cannot log in |
| 14:41.09 | mike-w | how can i get another language package? |
| 14:41.19 | caraconan | Good evening. Someone can help me to install Vmware CLI under debian? |
| 14:41.47 | flo` | hramrach_, probably a driver problem. are you sure that your usb modules are loaded, and that your kernel supports usb keyboards? |
| 14:42.06 | hramrach_ | flo`: and of course, bios is set to legacy emulation because otherwise grub is unusable |
| 14:42.21 | mike-w | oh,i find a tutorial on my problem... |
| 14:42.24 | flo` | hramrach_, if you have a ps/2 keyboard, attach this and try. if not, boot a working system, chroot into the broken one, and set up networking and ssh, then fix it remotely |
| 14:42.30 | hramrach_ | flo`: it's the squeeze kernel and I did not do anything special to not load usb drivers |
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| 14:42.48 | flo` | strange thing. i don't know, only making assumptions ;) |
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| 14:43.28 | flo` | my lenny system is installed on a LVM volume. is it a good idea to create an lvm snapshot, and then upgrade to squeeze? or will that cause any trouble? |
| 14:43.41 | flo` | and, how big should the snapshot be (it's a fully-equipped desktop system) |
| 14:44.53 | mns | seems like my sound system is no longer working. I am not sure when this happened, or why. It worked at one point. I tried to play some music on it the other day and it just wouldn't do so. |
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| 14:45.50 | anoob | i've installed wordpress with apt-get but i get the following error: "Neither /etc/wordpress/config-localhost.php nor /etc/wordpress/config-localhost.php could be found. Ensure one of them exists, is readable by the webserver and contains the right password/username." |
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| 14:46.35 | Mortvert | ugh |
| 14:46.41 | Mortvert | where i can get newer binutls? |
| 14:46.49 | Mortvert | or rather, how do i chech their version? |
| 14:46.51 | superlinux | does ffmpeg transform ogv to flv? |
| 14:47.43 | cahoot | mns: what's the result from speaker-test -t wav -c2? |
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| 14:50.15 | mns | cahoot: didn't even there was such a thing let me try it |
| 14:51.19 | rysiek|pl | superlinux: I think you need avcodec for flv; VLC does the job nicely |
| 14:51.24 | mns | it keeps saying no such device |
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| 14:51.52 | cahoot | mns: cat /proc/asound/cards - none? any? which? |
| 14:52.05 | eshat | I need a simple easy to configure MTA, would you recommend postfix or exim ? |
| 14:52.16 | mns | cahoot: that's the same error I get from alsactl. /proc/asound/cards does not exist |
| 14:52.25 | superlinux | ok. rysiek|pl do you have a usage recipe i can use? I want to upload videos to youtube |
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| 14:52.31 | mns | eshat: postfix |
| 14:52.32 | cahoot | mns: try alsa force-reload (as root) |
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| 14:52.55 | eshat | mns: is there a special reason, that debian comes with exim by default ? |
| 14:53.28 | rysiek|pl | superlinux: http://wiki.videolan.org/, the transcoding section is awesome |
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| 14:53.38 | `Assassin | Has anyone here bought one of these? http://www.genesi-usa.com/products/smartbook |
| 14:54.01 | rysiek|pl | superlinux: you can use it either from command line, or from GUI (Convert Files or something along those lines in teh File menu)) |
| 14:54.09 | mns | cahoot: I did that, before coming here, and then tried to do alsactl init but still nothing. the force-reload worked, but alsactl init says no no soundcards found |
| 14:54.13 | superlinux | ok |
| 14:54.15 | superlinux | cool |
| 14:54.36 | rysiek|pl | superlinux: it worked so well, we were able to set-up a video-streming and live-transcoding server with vlc |
| 14:54.39 | cahoot | mns: alsa force-reload didn't give you any error? |
| 14:54.42 | rysiek|pl | *streaming |
| 14:55.08 | mns | eshat: postfix has easier configuration in my opinion. i don't kow why debian uses exim. I've never used debian. |
| 14:55.26 | cahoot | so why ask support here? |
| 14:55.32 | eshat | mns: then why are you in #debian |
| 14:55.45 | superlinux | ok cool |
| 14:56.18 | rysiek|pl | [spamity-spam] so, anybody can lend a hand with this darn courier authdaemon crash? http://wklej.org/id/487197/ |
| 14:56.27 | rysiek|pl | come one, nobody no ideas?.. |
| 14:57.04 | project2501a | question, can i tell the debian installer i got the screen in portrait mode? |
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| 14:57.15 | mns | cahoot: no there were no errors with alsa force-reload |
| 14:57.44 | cahoot | mns: so why ask for support here if you never used debian? |
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| 14:58.03 | mns | eshat: I'm in #debian because I use debian. at the same time I've used postfix from before I started using debian. I've stuck to using debian. |
| 14:58.26 | mns | I mean stuck to using postfix |
| 14:58.49 | eshat | ahhh I think you meant "You've never used exim" but you said debian :D |
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| 14:59.23 | mns | eshat: cahoot: bad typing .. I mean I've never used exim. grrrr .. this is what happens when one wakes up and heads straight to irc ! |
| 15:00.13 | mns | lol eshat correct. it also deosn't help that I am typing faster then what shows up on the screen |
| 15:00.21 | cahoot | mns: what happens if you explicitly modprobe the needed module? |
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| 15:00.42 | mns | cahoot: how do I figure out what hte module is that I need ? |
| 15:00.43 | rysiek|pl | mns: I am unfamiliar with this "waking up" you refer to. |
| 15:01.07 | cahoot | mns: lspci -nn | grep -i audio might help |
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| 15:04.16 | wad | Two drives in my RAID5 failed out simultaneously the other day. I just scanned one of them (/dev/sdc1) for bad blocks, and found none (badblocks /dev/sdc1 -s -o ~/sdc1_bb). I suspect that the other drive is fine also (/dev/sdd1). I'd like to try telling the RAID that it's okay, and get it going again. What mdadm command will let me do this? |
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| 15:04.34 | wad | I've been reading the man pages, but I want to be CAREFUL and not get this wrong! :) |
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| 15:05.12 | wad | Do I need to assemble it again? |
| 15:05.26 | wad | Somehow I need to tell the drives in it that there are no faulty devices. |
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| 15:06.42 | mns | cahoot: its an Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) |
| 15:07.04 | cahoot | mns: try modprobe snd-hda-intel |
| 15:07.24 | rysiek|pl | wad: make a full disk image backup of both, first |
| 15:07.33 | rysiek|pl | dd if=/dev/sda of=/some/file |
| 15:07.35 | rysiek|pl | etc |
| 15:07.41 | wad | rysiek|pl, I can do that. I've got a spare 2TB drive handy. |
| 15:07.56 | rysiek|pl | wad: do it, thank me later ;) |
| 15:08.00 | wad | :) |
| 15:08.06 | wad | Okay, I'll be back in a few. |
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| 15:08.40 | rysiek|pl | [spamity-spam] so, anybody can lend a hand with this darn courier authdaemon crash? http://wklej.org/id/487197/ |
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| 15:08.50 | rysiek|pl | really, I am quite desperate here... |
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| 15:14.50 | wad | courier? Ugh. Prefer dovecot. |
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| 15:16.53 | wad | rysiek|pl, so I've got two identical files. |
| 15:16.56 | wad | s/files/drives/ |
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| 15:17.24 | rysiek|pl | wad: great. in case of a fsckup you're able to get back to current setup |
| 15:17.37 | rysiek|pl | wad: backing up the rest of the drives in the RAID array is also a good ide |
| 15:17.37 | wad | rysiek|pl, two questions: |
| 15:17.38 | rysiek|pl | a |
| 15:17.49 | rysiek|pl | aye? |
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| 15:18.27 | wad | 1. Since two drives failed from the RAID5, don't I already have one shot at a screwup? If I mess up sdc then I can try again on sdd, and build a degraded array. |
| 15:18.53 | wad | Let's go with that one for now. :) |
| 15:19.16 | rysiek|pl | wad: no idea, don't quite remember RAID5 setup :) |
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| 15:19.44 | wad | rysiek|pl, basically n+1 drives, so one can die, and you're still good to go. |
| 15:19.54 | rysiek|pl | mhm |
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| 15:29.21 | mns | cahoot: that modprobe snd-hda-intel worked. now the speaker-test is working and I get sound. |
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| 15:30.08 | cahoot | mns: now try alsa force-reload (as root) - to see if it will stick |
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| 15:32.01 | claint | wad: i thought if raid 5 fails with 2 drives, you are out of luck. |
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| 15:32.09 | mns | cahoot: speaker still works after the force-reload |
| 15:32.28 | mns | s/speaker/speaker-test/ |
| 15:32.42 | rysiek|pl | [spamity-spam] so, anybody can lend a hand with this darn courier authdaemon crash? http://wklej.org/id/487197/ |
| 15:32.53 | cahoot | mns: fine - will probably survive reboot then |
| 15:34.23 | mns | cahoot: is there something I should do with /etc/modprobe.d or /etc/modules to make sure of this ? |
| 15:34.50 | cahoot | no need |
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| 15:35.39 | mns | ok. |
| 15:35.48 | mns | cahoot: thanks |
| 15:35.54 | cahoot | np |
| 15:39.51 | wad | claint, yeah, I'm trying to not be out of luck. |
| 15:40.19 | claint | wad: is it total drive failure or bunch of bad blocks? |
| 15:40.41 | wad | claint, I just ran badblocks on one of them, came back with 0 bad blocks. |
| 15:40.57 | wad | I'm hoping it was some other kind of glitch... something temporary. |
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| 15:41.42 | wad | The RAID has four 2TB drives in it. I've got a 5th drive, that I'm currently cleaning off, in preparation for using dd to backup one of the failed drives. |
| 15:43.23 | claint | wad: dd? degrading array and then putting the new disk in the array might be a better idea. |
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| 15:44.25 | claint | wad: dd ing failed drives would just try to copy the bad stuff over. |
| 15:44.42 | wad | claint, the array has four devices, sda, sdb, sdc, sdd. Two failed at exactly the same time, sdc and sdd. |
| 15:44.54 | wad | I'm going to copy the "bad stuff" as a backup. |
| 15:45.03 | claint | wad: gotcha now./ |
| 15:45.09 | wad | First step: make sure I don't shoot myself in the foot later! |
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| 15:45.56 | wad | The only thing I don't know right now is what commands are used to tell a drive that it's not a failed drive, that it's okay to put back into the array. |
| 15:46.12 | wad | (I'll do that after I back it up with dd) |
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| 15:46.45 | valdyn | wad: --readd iirc |
| 15:47.33 | wad | valdyn, thanks! |
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| 15:52.00 | rysiek|pl | guys, does anybody here have clean, vanilla /etc/pam.d/* files from Lenny?.. or know where to find those? |
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| 15:53.17 | smhar | greetings |
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| 15:54.14 | claint | rysiek|pl: /etc/pam.d/* files are pluggable, so each is created by a different package. you can find which one you want with "dpkg -S /etc/pam.d/<whatever> and then purge and reinstall the corresponding package |
| 15:54.42 | Zitter | hi, is it possible (it's only a theorical question, btw) install two video cards on my linux box? |
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| 15:55.05 | StyXman | Zitter: yes |
| 15:55.07 | rysiek|pl | claint: reinstalling libpam-runtime is *not* a good idea, I suppose |
| 15:55.07 | valdyn | Zitter: or 3 or 4 |
| 15:55.09 | claint | Zitter: yeah it is possible, I do it at work machines. |
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| 15:55.33 | rysiek|pl | claint: and I need to get the vanilla default pam config for Lenny |
| 15:55.44 | smhar | I am having trouble with sound in gnome in squeeze. after day of using the computer, I loose sound. I try this method that sometime work , sometime not. when it does not, I need to logout and login again which I hate as I have many programs already running. this method is: I use alsa force-reload then alsamixer and enable everything |
| 15:56.10 | smhar | today is another day with no sound. I need some help on this |
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| 15:56.37 | aton | how can i use something else than vesa? my resolution is too low |
| 15:56.50 | Zitter | claint, how many monitors? |
| 15:56.51 | valdyn | aton: is your upgrade completed? |
| 15:56.58 | aton | valdyn: i think so |
| 15:57.08 | aton | 2.6.32-5 now |
| 15:57.15 | valdyn | aton: is the package "xserver-xorg-video-nv" installed? |
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| 15:57.16 | claint | Zitter: 4 monitors, 1 machine. |
| 15:57.20 | aton | debian-version shows 6.0 |
| 15:57.29 | claint | Zitter: 2 cards on each machine. |
| 15:57.46 | Zitter | claint, fantastic.... thanks! |
| 15:58.07 | aton | valdyn: how can i verify that? |
| 15:58.18 | valdyn | aton: dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 15:58.19 | aton | apt-cache show doesnt tell me if its installed |
| 15:58.29 | Zitter | and of course you can move you mouse pointer on 4 monitors, right? |
| 15:58.52 | aton | valdyn: ii xserver-xorg-v 1:2.1.17-3 X.Org X server -- NV display driver |
| 15:58.52 | Zitter | aton, dpkg -l |grep xserver |
| 15:59.15 | valdyn | aton: ok, now do you have the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
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| 15:59.21 | claint | Zitter: well my setup is that 4 different users use those monitors. But if you wanted, yeah you can do 1 user on 4 monitors. |
| 15:59.24 | aton | yea |
| 15:59.35 | valdyn | aton: move it away for now |
| 15:59.35 | aton | valdyn: should i add a display subsection? |
| 15:59.38 | aton | k |
| 15:59.54 | aton | and ctrl+alt+bs? |
| 15:59.58 | valdyn | aton: it is not usually needed |
| 16:00.00 | aton | k |
| 16:00.05 | valdyn | aton: hold on |
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| 16:00.17 | valdyn | aton: can you operate things when X is not running? |
| 16:00.23 | aton | yes |
| 16:00.26 | Zitter | claint, it seems really marvellous to me ahahahah :) anyway, do you an Xorg.conf to share, just to use as a way to start? |
| 16:00.31 | magyar | how does the framebuffer works when using console? |
| 16:00.35 | valdyn | aton: ok, move it away and restart X |
| 16:00.39 | aton | k |
| 16:00.41 | valdyn | aton: ctrl-alt-bs should do |
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| 16:01.14 | magyar | i get this huge font |
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| 16:01.45 | magyar | before i was able to modify grub and set vga value |
| 16:02.05 | claint | Zitter: probably wouldn't even need a xorg.conf if you want to use multiple monitors and multiple cards. If you want to be able to serve 4 different users like me with one machine, look at the mdm project/package. |
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| 16:02.17 | magyar | how can i do this with grub2? |
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| 16:02.47 | claint | Zitter: xrandr is your friend to set up multiple displays for yourself. |
| 16:02.48 | aton | ctrl+alt+bs didnt work, i pressed logout, i think it does the same? |
| 16:02.51 | aton | valdyn: ^^ |
| 16:03.03 | valdyn | aton: no, logging out does not kill X |
| 16:03.07 | Zitter | claint, thanks |
| 16:03.13 | aton | valdyn: can i restart xdm? |
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| 16:03.25 | valdyn | aton: /etc/init.d/xdm restart |
| 16:03.31 | aton | i dont have that file |
| 16:03.48 | valdyn | aton: its probably not xdm then |
| 16:03.48 | aton | installing xdm |
| 16:03.50 | valdyn | aton: no |
| 16:04.06 | valdyn | aton: xdm or gdm or gdm3 or kdm |
| 16:04.19 | valdyn | aton: you are probably using one of those |
| 16:04.34 | aton | k kdm did it |
| 16:04.48 | aton | glxinfo says SGI |
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| 16:05.11 | valdyn | aton: your glx will not work any better with the nv driver |
| 16:05.29 | valdyn | aton: but we dont know yet which driver is used |
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| 16:06.51 | aton | valdyn: how do i find out? |
| 16:07.06 | valdyn | aton: i dont know any better than reading /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:07.17 | aton | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Device 1080 (rev a1) |
| 16:07.24 | valdyn | aton: you can also use xrandr to see if more resolutions are available |
| 16:07.34 | aton | http://pastebin.com/GdadHNPL |
| 16:08.04 | aton | randr shows the new resolution |
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| 16:08.18 | aton | but i cannot switch to it |
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| 16:08.36 | aton | xrandr --newmode "1920x1050" 167.25 1920 2040 2240 2560 1050 1053 1063 1089 -hsync +vsync |
| 16:08.39 | aton | xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default |
| 16:08.50 | aton | but then the mode is shown when i do xrandr |
| 16:09.02 | valdyn | aton: it is still the vesa driver - you cannot set random modes t here |
| 16:09.05 | aton | k |
| 16:09.20 | aton | so i need to install an nvidia driver |
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| 16:09.59 | valdyn | aton: yes |
| 16:10.14 | valdyn | aton: at least this looks like your card is newer than squeeze's nv driver |
| 16:10.25 | valdyn | aton: which might very well be, I wouldnt know |
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| 16:11.39 | valdyn | !nvidia |
| 16:11.39 | dpkg | Install either <nouveau> (no 3D support) or the appropriate proprietary driver package for your card. For GeForce 6xxx through to some GeForce 400 series, ask me about <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>; for older series, ask about <nvidia dkms-173xx> <nvidia dkms-96xx>. For oldstable, see <nvidia lenny>. nvidia.com packages are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 16:12.03 | valdyn | !nvidia-dkms |
| 16:12.09 | valdyn | !nvidia dkms |
| 16:12.09 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>. |
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| 16:12.29 | aton | ii xserver-xorg-video-nouveau 1:0.0.15+git20100329+7858345-5 X.Org X server -- Nouveau display driver (experimental) |
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| 16:12.52 | aton | ii means its installed, right? |
| 16:12.53 | dbe | i need help people |
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| 16:12.57 | dbe | i have a problem with mplayer |
| 16:12.59 | valdyn | aton: yea it does |
| 16:12.59 | rysiek|pl | ok, got the bastard |
| 16:13.12 | dbe | mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libx264.so.104: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 16:13.16 | rysiek|pl | export MALLOC_CHECK_=0 fixed it. somethings really b0rked with the code, I suppose, ut it works |
| 16:13.16 | dbe | can you help me with this |
| 16:13.22 | dbe | i made a symlink but it doesn't work |
| 16:13.25 | valdyn | aton: that driver is working fine ( nouvea ), just not supporting your card |
| 16:13.31 | aton | k |
| 16:13.38 | tweek | dbe: me too, are you running testing? |
| 16:13.44 | dbe | yeah |
| 16:13.48 | dbe | i'm running test |
| 16:13.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | what the heck is wrong with this cron entry 0 0 0 0 6 /uswr/sbin/logrotate -d /etc/logrotate.conf |
| 16:13.59 | aton | http://www.downloadatoz.com/driver/articles/nvidia-geforce-quadro-linux-display-driver-260-19-29-for-ubuntu-10-10-certified.html |
| 16:14.02 | aton | could that work? |
| 16:14.02 | valdyn | aton: read what dpkg said carefully, theres a sermon that you just cut & paste and youre done |
| 16:14.07 | hid3 | Evening everyone. Is there any way in logrotate.d scripts to force old long files to be compressed in .bz2 instead of .gz? |
| 16:14.15 | dbe | tweek, did you find out a solution? |
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| 16:14.21 | valdyn | !tell aton -about nvidia dkms |
| 16:14.29 | tweek | dbe: no, was gonna ask the same |
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| 16:14.35 | dbe | lol |
| 16:14.37 | markand | hello |
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| 16:14.39 | tweek | dbe: it crashes if you skip forward? |
| 16:14.47 | dbe | i doesn't play tweek |
| 16:14.52 | markand | I would like to use 3d hardware with my ati radeon hd 5670 |
| 16:15.00 | aton | valdyn: does "have non-free sources added" mean the lines after it do that, or that i have to add the non-free sources before i execute the lines? |
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| 16:15.05 | markand | kernel mode setting is enabled |
| 16:15.22 | markand | but Xorg.0.log says : (II) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
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| 16:15.41 | valdyn | aton: that you have to add non-free sources before you execute the lines |
| 16:15.44 | tweek | dbe: doesn't play anything? |
| 16:15.48 | dbe | yes |
| 16:16.00 | valdyn | aton: "lines" in your irc client, but its just one long line |
| 16:16.05 | aton | k |
| 16:16.10 | dbe | something is wrong with the libx264 |
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| 16:16.44 | dbe | tweek, do you kjnow the link to packages downgrade? |
| 16:16.46 | aton | so i just add "non-free" after each deb and deb-src line? |
| 16:16.52 | dbe | i think we should downgrade libx264 |
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| 16:18.32 | tweek | yeah, i just checked, seems to be a problem with decoding h264 |
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| 16:18.51 | valdyn | aton: each deb line is sufficient |
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| 16:19.10 | _stefanos_ | good evening everyone |
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| 16:19.51 | tweek | !downgrade |
| 16:19.51 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 16:20.17 | aton | valdyn: ok installing |
| 16:20.31 | aton | restarting x |
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| 16:20.42 | smhar | I am having trouble with sound in gnome in squeeze. after day of using the computer, I loose sound. I try this method that sometime work , sometime not. when it does not, I need to logout and login again which I hate as I have many programs already running. this method is: I use alsa force-reload then alsamixer and enable everything |
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| 16:22.02 | dbe | oh |
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| 16:23.12 | tweek | dbe: if you want to downgrade, you will have to locate the package in /var/cache/apt and do the dpkg -i thing, like the bot said |
| 16:23.22 | dbe | oh |
| 16:23.41 | dbe | tweek, but i think i did apt-get clean |
| 16:24.36 | tweek | i'm not even sure which package to downgrade, could be the codecs, could be mplayer, no? |
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| 16:25.00 | aton | now x is gone, nvidia module not found, no screeens |
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| 16:28.46 | valdyn | aton: im not sure the dpkg factoid is complete as it is |
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| 16:28.54 | valdyn | aton: can you "modprobe nvidia" ? |
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| 16:29.19 | valdyn | aton: also, it sais you need to reboot, which may or may not be necessary |
| 16:29.38 | aton | valdyn: module not found |
| 16:29.43 | aton | i rebooted |
| 16:29.52 | valdyn | aton: that means your command failed at some point |
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| 16:29.55 | aton | but i guess it installs an nvidia-ready kernel? |
| 16:30.08 | aton | grub didnt show me a new kernel, i chose the normal one |
| 16:30.21 | valdyn | aton: it doesnt install a new kernel, only the module |
| 16:30.26 | aton | ah ok |
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| 16:30.34 | aton | can you paste me the line again? |
| 16:30.40 | aton | i will recheck |
| 16:30.51 | valdyn | aton: just do "aptitude reinstall nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 16:31.43 | aton | couldnt find any module |
| 16:31.55 | valdyn | aton: hmm? |
| 16:32.00 | valdyn | aton: where do you get that error? |
| 16:32.10 | aton | when i do aptitude reinstall nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 16:32.30 | aton | "couldnt find any package" sorry |
| 16:32.44 | aton | perhaps my sources are wrong? |
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| 16:32.47 | aton | wait i paste it |
| 16:32.49 | valdyn | aton: looks like it |
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| 16:33.37 | hawu | i think you need to "non-free" repository added |
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| 16:33.40 | hramrach_ | flo`: the initrd just does not load the usb drivers so usb inout does not work |
| 16:33.45 | aton | http://pastebin.com/BybEj2Wf |
| 16:33.50 | hramrach_ | input |
| 16:34.06 | flo` | hramrach_, then change your initrd's settings |
| 16:34.09 | aton | o_O i guess i need to apt-get update after that, right? |
| 16:34.17 | valdyn | aton: right |
| 16:34.27 | aton | no, still no package found |
| 16:34.31 | hramrach_ | flo`: why do I need to change initrd settings for keyboard to work? |
| 16:34.55 | valdyn | judd: versions nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 16:34.56 | judd | Package nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; sid/non-free: 195.36.31-7; wheezy/non-free: 195.36.31-7; experimental/non-free: 260.19.21-1 |
| 16:35.00 | flo` | hramrach_, to load your usb keyboard drivers? |
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| 16:35.18 | valdyn | aton: you must be doing a typo there |
| 16:35.30 | valdyn | aton: "aptitude update; aptitude install nvidia-kernel-dkms" |
| 16:35.42 | dbe | i fixed the problem tweek lol |
| 16:35.43 | hramrach_ | flo`: so next time I will need to change my initrd settings to also load my ata drivers? |
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| 16:36.27 | tweek | dbe: how? |
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| 16:36.50 | dbe | i installed libx264-112 |
| 16:37.03 | ta2 | Hi, I am in the process of formatting a software RAID5 array of 4x2TB drives. It's been stuck on "Creating ext4 file system"... stage for about an hour, is this normal? |
| 16:37.07 | flo` | hramrach_, well, actually your initrd should do exactly that :P |
| 16:37.18 | flo` | however, it should do it automagically... dunno why it doesn't |
| 16:37.42 | hawu | how is the kde counterpart to rhythmbox called again? |
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| 16:37.49 | dbe | and i made symlink to libx264.so.104 |
| 16:37.57 | cahoot | amarok? |
| 16:37.57 | flo` | hramrach_, maybe rebuilding your initrd after having the keyboard thing manually helps |
| 16:38.21 | tweek | dbe: i can find no such package, libx264 |
| 16:38.21 | flo` | because then the initrd-script sees "ah, the module foo is needed, so i'll include it" (dunno, arch linux's mkinitramfs does this) |
| 16:38.33 | aton | valdyn: you are right, typo. now it says something about dependencies http://pastebin.com/LqhFTfHR (sorry, german) |
| 16:38.39 | hawu | ah, no its not amarok, hmmm |
| 16:38.43 | dbe | pt-cache search libx264 |
| 16:38.43 | dbe | libx264-112 - x264 video coding library |
| 16:38.43 | dbe | libx264-54 - x264 video coding library |
| 16:38.45 | aton | the first two are kept as they are |
| 16:38.50 | dbe | i have it |
| 16:38.56 | hramrach_ | flo`: I also had an USB keyboard on the system where I built the initrd |
| 16:38.57 | aton | the second two dependencies are kept unresolved |
| 16:38.58 | dbe | maybe something is wrong with your source |
| 16:39.00 | tweek | is it from the debian-multimedia repo? |
| 16:39.05 | dbe | yeah |
| 16:39.08 | tweek | ah ok |
| 16:39.11 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: My squeeze system doesn't find that package either. |
| 16:39.26 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: his find it now |
| 16:39.30 | tweek | wait, we might have different problems i think |
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| 16:39.55 | dbe | also i have to put -vo x11 in my mplayer config file |
| 16:39.59 | tweek | does your mplayer also say 'no frame!' and 'error while decoding frame!' |
| 16:40.07 | valdyn | judd: versions nvidia-kernel-common |
| 16:40.08 | judd | Package nvidia-kernel-common on i386 -- lenny/contrib: 20080825+1; squeeze/contrib: 20100522+1; sid/contrib: 20100522+2; wheezy/contrib: 20100522+2 |
| 16:40.11 | flo` | hramrach_, maybe it used another driver (but it shouldn't), i dunno |
| 16:40.12 | hramrach_ | flo`: and the need to have USB keyboard attacehd for USB modules to be included would be stupid anyway |
| 16:40.14 | dbe | nope |
| 16:40.20 | valdyn | aton: geez, now add "contrib" too |
| 16:40.32 | flo` | hramrach_, what do you want? complain about debian not work automagically for you or get your system running? |
| 16:40.41 | valdyn | dpkg: nvidia dkms |
| 16:40.41 | dpkg | For Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf". Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. For legacy drivers, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx>. |
| 16:40.42 | hramrach_ | like Windows which require you to confirm a dialog to install unsigned drivers for your keyboard and mouse |
| 16:40.42 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, mistakenly looking in a lenny ssh session. |
| 16:40.47 | tweek | ok different problem, with different mplayer (mine's from the testing repo) |
| 16:41.14 | hramrach_ | flo`: well, it if is supposed to work but does not I guess that's a bug |
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| 16:41.28 | valdyn | dpkg: nvidia-dkms ~= s/have/have <contrib> and/ |
| 16:41.29 | dpkg | valdyn: wish i knew |
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| 16:41.35 | valdyn | dpkg: nvidia dkms ~= s/have/have <contrib> and/ |
| 16:41.35 | dpkg | valdyn: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 16:41.42 | valdyn | dpkg: nvidia dkms =~ s/have/have <contrib> and/ |
| 16:41.42 | dpkg | valdyn: that's too long |
| 16:41.47 | valdyn | grrr |
| 16:41.50 | flo` | hramrach_, then file a bug report |
| 16:41.56 | tweek | i also get an error message about a missing vdpau library, but i think that's not even the problem, because i have no nvidia chip |
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| 16:42.11 | valdyn | dpkg: nvidia dkms =~ s/have/have contrib and/ |
| 16:42.12 | dpkg | valdyn: that's too long |
| 16:42.16 | valdyn | dpkg: nvidia dkms ~= s/have/have contrib and/ |
| 16:42.16 | dpkg | valdyn: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 16:42.48 | xk | factoid is already too long ;o |
| 16:42.49 | valdyn | aton: just add contrib in your sources.list as you already added non-free |
| 16:43.02 | valdyn | xk: i see |
| 16:43.16 | xk | if I remember how I coded that (10 years ago? :) |
| 16:43.29 | aton | valdyn: ah now its installign |
| 16:43.51 | valdyn | dpkg: how old are you? |
| 16:43.51 | dpkg | 900 ... like Yoda ... |
| 16:43.55 | valdyn | heh |
| 16:44.04 | flo` | may i do a dist-upgrade while xorg is still running if i don't have a problem with x suddenly being killed and restarted? |
| 16:44.18 | flo` | (only doing surfing, chatting, so there's no unsaved data) |
| 16:44.24 | aton | FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/updates/dkms/nvidia.ko): No such device |
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| 16:44.43 | dbe | tweek, you fixed it? |
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| 16:44.58 | valdyn | aton: wow, to new for that too? |
| 16:45.01 | hramrach_ | flo`: I normally don't get issues when X is upgraded until I restart it manually ^_^ |
| 16:45.07 | dbe | tweek, i have this in my source deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main non-free |
| 16:45.12 | aton | valdyn: i bought it in january... |
| 16:45.24 | flo` | hramrach_, using gdm? well, i dunno what happens |
| 16:45.30 | aton | nvidia website states that its the fastest gfx card on earth |
| 16:45.32 | valdyn | aton: so that could make sense |
| 16:45.40 | flo` | i can't imagine that there will a big system break, but maybe one of you in here knows beter :D? |
| 16:45.58 | tweek | dbe: i know, but i'm currently doing without any extra repo, seeing as everything works (well, apart from that now) |
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| 16:46.05 | aton | valdyn: so i guess i have to wait? |
| 16:46.06 | hramrach_ | flo`: even using gdm |
| 16:46.07 | tweek | anyway, will fix this later |
| 16:46.14 | aton | i dont need dri or anything, i just need 1920x1050 |
| 16:46.19 | hramrach_ | but upgrading from gdm to gdm3 may be a bit adventurous |
| 16:46.20 | aton | software rendering will be sufficient |
| 16:46.25 | valdyn | aton: you should check at nvidia.com or nvnews.net when support for your card was added |
| 16:46.41 | dbe | it worked fine for me now :) |
| 16:46.47 | valdyn | aton: your original problem was about the resolution though |
| 16:47.18 | aton | valdyn: they say gtx 580 is supported in their driver since 2010.11.11 |
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| 16:47.33 | valdyn | aton: which linux driver is that? |
| 16:47.34 | stonie | hi |
| 16:47.48 | stonie | whats the alternate of gnump3d in 6.0?? |
| 16:48.23 | aton | www.nvidia.de/object/linux-display-amd64-260.19.36-driver-de.html |
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| 16:48.49 | aton | oh thats 2011.01.21 |
| 16:48.59 | aton | 5 weeks ago |
| 16:49.03 | valdyn | judd: versions nvidia-glx |
| 16:49.06 | judd | Package nvidia-glx on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; sid/non-free: 195.36.31-7; wheezy/non-free: 195.36.31-7; experimental/non-free: 260.19.21-1 |
| 16:49.20 | valdyn | aton: ok, as you can see even the experimental version is to old |
| 16:49.39 | valdyn | aton: 2 choices: 1) wait or 2) use nvidias installer |
| 16:49.46 | aton | heh |
| 16:49.58 | aton | i guess i will try 2), fail, then do 1) |
| 16:50.02 | valdyn | aton: nvidias installer is hard to uninstall, but it usually works |
| 16:50.09 | flo` | i have self-compiled packages on my system. what should i do with them before and after upgrade? |
| 16:50.21 | flo` | should i recompile and reinstall them? or should i leave them? |
| 16:50.40 | valdyn | aton: and you might have to reinstall the nvidia driver whenever debian updates conflicting packages ( like mesa stuff ), but thats probably something you can cope with |
| 16:51.28 | valdyn | aton: before you use nvidias installer you should probably all nvidia packages you just installed |
| 16:51.42 | aton | remove that is? |
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| 16:51.53 | valdyn | aton: yea |
| 16:52.03 | valdyn | aton: thats all packages with nvidia in their names |
| 16:52.05 | aton | can i see what i got installed? |
| 16:52.06 | aton | k |
| 16:52.13 | valdyn | aton: dpkg -l | grep nvidia |
| 16:52.14 | aton | apt-cache search will show them, right? |
| 16:52.16 | aton | oh ok |
| 16:52.24 | valdyn | aton: ignore nouveau or nv stuff, just nvidia |
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| 16:52.49 | pilojo66 | anyone know how to get a Canon printer working in Debian 6? |
| 16:53.39 | aton | k done |
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| 16:54.26 | sontek | How does gdm3 decide what .desktop files show up in its window manager list? I created a new one and it doesn't show up |
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| 16:55.14 | aton | it complains about the kernel having been compiled with gcc 4.3 and gcc 4.4 installed, i guess i revert to 4.3? |
| 16:55.35 | Aim_Here | sontek, you refreshed your window manager? |
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| 16:55.48 | aton | valdyn: how can i install a certain gcc version? |
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| 16:56.37 | alejandro__ | Hi, I had a question, I can use Dialog in the script udev, sorry for my english is bad |
| 16:56.45 | client3424 | someone knows where to get an ARMEL release of the Adobe Flash player? |
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| 16:57.13 | sontek | Aim_Here: yeah, I restarted gdm and everything |
| 16:57.23 | daemonkeeper | dpkg: tell alejandro__ about es |
| 16:57.38 | rhada | I want to create a cert useing CAcert.org for web server I did but this howto is for ubuntu I think would it be the same for squeeze http://blog.janjonas.net/2010-02-01/cacert-apache2-free-public-key-certificate |
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| 16:58.17 | sontek | http://paste2.org/p/1283826 this is the desktop file |
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| 17:01.38 | sontek | I found info on gnome.org that sets some gconf settings and loads gnome-shell by default |
| 17:01.39 | daemonkeeper | client3424: Since Flash is non-free software, all you can do is to hope about Adobes good will. Chances are, gnash will work., |
| 17:01.41 | sontek | but I want the option for either |
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| 17:02.33 | rhada | ok i found a debian howto not sure if its up to date though http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/349 |
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| 17:04.08 | client3424 | daemonkeeper: apparently it is already supported, at least that's what I read everywhere |
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| 17:06.12 | aton | valdyn: should i downgrade to gcc4.3 or compile a kernel with gcc4.4? |
| 17:06.29 | daemonkeeper | client3424: There is Flash for Android which is an ARM architecture, I'm not entirely sure about ARMEL. |
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| 17:07.38 | aton | ah valdyn, i gotta work, already wasted hours on this. i give up and try debian again when my driver is in stable, thanks for the help and see you in 6 months |
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| 17:08.26 | IceClaw | What is the name of a programm how download fille..? |
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| 17:09.03 | IceClaw | wget.. i found :D |
| 17:09.43 | client3424 | daemonkeeper: my N900 is ARMEL as well.. and running flash |
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| 17:13.49 | flo` | after doing a "half-upgrade" (by changing everything to squeeze, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, but NOT dist-upgrade), my system is still usable and bootable, i assume? |
| 17:13.52 | flo` | is that correct? |
| 17:14.59 | hramrach_ | that should upgrade all but a few libs with dependency loops |
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| 17:15.27 | hramrach_ | you may want to repeat the upgrade multiple times if more suff gets resolved by the previous upgrade |
| 17:19.09 | gnugr1 | hey |
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| 17:23.34 | tech13 | Attempting to install Squeeze guest in vmware server 2.0.2 on a Squeeze host. I can get to the guest's bios, and the enter key appears to work, but on the installer, it doesn't acknowledge the keyboard. suggestions? |
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| 17:26.21 | sanmarcos | is there a way to reduce the size of my debian lenny installation? |
| 17:26.42 | sanmarcos | to sort packages by size or something like that? |
| 17:27.00 | syngress | hi i can't uninstall shit from software-center (debian 6.0) - i hi the button "delete" nothing happen :-/ |
| 17:27.06 | syngress | *hit |
| 17:27.10 | Digdilem | use the netinst and then only install what you want, sanmarcos? |
| 17:27.55 | cahoot | syngress: no shit installed? |
| 17:28.26 | sanmarcos | Digdilem: it is already installed |
| 17:28.40 | syngress | cahoot: no shit installed ;) - so maybe you know what a hell is going on ? |
| 17:29.05 | cahoot | syngress: sorry I only use aptitude |
| 17:29.11 | syngress | ok |
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| 17:34.40 | puky | what does rtfm mean? |
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| 17:34.59 | sanmarcos | !rtfm |
| 17:34.59 | dpkg | from memory, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 17:35.15 | puky | thanks |
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| 17:35.40 | Digdilem | syngress, odd request. But maybe "dpkg --get-selections" will help, as it lists what is selected. Then you can ditch what you don't need |
| 17:35.50 | Digdilem | sorry, ^ sanmarcos |
| 17:36.21 | Digdilem | don't know of any way to list by size, but surely you need what's installed? |
| 17:36.39 | sanmarcos | dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size} ${Package}\n' | sort -n |
| 17:37.17 | Digdilem | cool. |
| 17:37.19 | sanmarcos | I saved about 100mb |
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| 17:37.30 | Digdilem | why did you install what you don't need in the first place? :) |
| 17:37.32 | sanmarcos | I did |
| 17:37.40 | sanmarcos | this is a server |
| 17:37.57 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions youtube-dl |
| 17:37.58 | judd | Package youtube-dl on i386 -- sid: 2011.02.25b-1 |
| 17:38.18 | syngress | thx Digdilem i try |
| 17:39.53 | stonie | why has gnump3d been removed? |
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| 17:41.30 | themill | !dbugs 468643 |
| 17:41.34 | dpkg | DONE:#468643:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: gnump3d -- RoM; unmaintained & buggy. (); Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:36:05 UTC [] |
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| 17:50.47 | sanmarcos | remove java and save space |
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| 17:54.05 | jhutchins | sanmarcos: dpkg -l > filelist; list filelist, check stuff off. |
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| 17:56.21 | jhutchins | sanmarcos: I used to do that - for anything I didn't know what it did I found out and removed anything extra. These days the OS is such a small part of the servers I don't bother any more. I do check all running processes and make sure I know what they're up to. |
| 17:56.36 | sanmarcos | when you have 10gb it matters |
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| 17:56.55 | jhutchins | I can do a pretty full install in 4G. |
| 17:56.56 | anna | hello |
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| 17:57.07 | sanmarcos | yes |
| 17:57.11 | sanmarcos | but the other space is used by users |
| 17:57.14 | sanmarcos | so, I have to cut somewhere |
| 17:57.21 | anna | could someone tell me a good program to convert files from .flv to .mkv? |
| 17:57.40 | jhutchins | sanmarcos: Do you use quota? |
| 17:57.58 | sanmarcos | I would if I had a newer version of Dovecot IMAP |
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| 17:58.07 | sanmarcos | i'll have to upgrade to squeeze for that |
| 17:58.48 | jhutchins | sanmarcos: quota is for disk space. |
| 17:58.54 | sanmarcos | I know |
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| 17:59.09 | Prolac | hello, why I can't grab some files using wget, example: http://sourceforge.net/projects/sabnzbdplus/files/sabnzbdplus/sabnzbd-0.5.6/SABnzbd-0.5.6-src.tar.gz/download |
| 17:59.21 | d3c | does anyone know about php 5.3 for lenny? is it available or coming up or... ? |
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| 17:59.55 | sanmarcos | backports? |
| 18:00.34 | petemc | Prolac: because thats not a direct link to the file, read the page |
| 18:01.03 | jhutchins | !info quota |
| 18:01.24 | themill | d3c: php5.3 is in squeeze |
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| 18:01.41 | dpkg | quota: (implementation of the disk quota system), section admin, is optional. Version: 4.00~pre1-7 (sid), Packaged size: 548 kB, Installed size: 1492 kB |
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| 18:02.34 | d3c | themill: which means? |
| 18:02.46 | themill | dpkg: tell d3c about lenny->squeeze |
| 18:03.01 | themill | d3c: if you want php5.3 you can upgrade to squeeze and get it right now. |
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| 18:03.44 | d3c | themill: alright. would that be safe for production boxes? |
| 18:04.15 | themill | d3c: squeeze was released as stable 4 weeks ago. It is the current stable release. |
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| 18:05.21 | Prolac | try with direct link petemc |
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| 18:05.29 | Prolac | its still borked |
| 18:05.43 | rr80 | i know it is OT, but i dont have audio on my fresh mint install, someone could help me anyway? |
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| 18:06.09 | hawu | rr80: dont they have a channel here? |
| 18:06.20 | rr80 | seems not, i am looking for it |
| 18:06.21 | d3c | themill: so lenny has been replaced by squueze, is that correct? |
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| 18:07.24 | jhutchins | Prolac: It is likely that the sourceforge link is to a java page that triggers the download. |
| 18:07.26 | hawu | rr80: try "/msg alis help" |
| 18:07.39 | jhutchins | !mint |
| 18:07.39 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also being available, based on <testing>. See also <based on Debian>. |
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| 18:08.03 | hawu | ah, the bot knows more :) |
| 18:08.05 | rr80 | ok ty |
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| 18:08.27 | d3c | themill: and also, I'm connected to my server via ssh (it's a remote server). I probaby can't upgrade to squeeze via ssh? |
| 18:08.38 | jhutchins | rr80: Stuff like that is _exactly_ where the differences between debian-based distros show up. |
| 18:08.49 | Prolac | so what can I do with such links jhutchins? |
| 18:08.58 | jhutchins | d3c: Sure you can, look at the message from dpkg. |
| 18:09.16 | rr80 | the phonon test work, but no audio nowhere |
| 18:09.37 | jhutchins | Prolac: Usually there is a link for starting the download manually. You will need a link that ends in the actual filename. |
| 18:10.19 | d3c | jhutchins: I'm unsure about the 'firmware-linux-nonfree'-part |
| 18:10.36 | jhutchins | Prolac: You could also try nzb downloaders like pan that are already available in Debian. |
| 18:11.37 | jhutchins | Prolac: nzb, hellanzb, klibido... |
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| 18:11.47 | wildc4rd | evenin all |
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| 18:11.58 | Prolac | I see, thanks jhutchins |
| 18:12.00 | jhutchins | d3c: Not an issue until you reboot. |
| 18:12.39 | d3c | jhutchins: what exactly does it mean? won't the first command suffice or *will* I need the last one as well? |
| 18:12.59 | d3c | jhutchins: I don't know if I need the themill wants you to know: Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed |
| 18:13.04 | d3c | whoops |
| 18:13.29 | d3c | jhutchins: I don't know if I need the firmware-linux-nonfree or not. |
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| 18:14.01 | jhutchins | !tell d3c about release notes |
| 18:14.25 | jhutchins | d3c: It depends on whether your nic is one that requires non-free binaries. |
| 18:14.44 | jhutchins | d3c: See the release notes for further info. |
| 18:15.01 | d3c | jhutchins: ok, thanks |
| 18:15.02 | jhutchins | d3c: Most server-grade NICs don't. |
| 18:15.14 | jhutchins | d3c: There is a gigabit Intel that does though. |
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| 18:15.22 | d3c | jhutchins: any fancy command to check it quickly? |
| 18:15.40 | jhutchins | d3c: Manual intelligence required. |
| 18:16.18 | d3c | jhutchins: I don't have physical access to my server so I guess I'll need some command to check it? |
| 18:16.24 | jhutchins | d3c: lspci -nn to determine chipsets, check chipsets against google for firmware. |
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| 18:16.50 | d3c | jhutchins: ah, thanks. g2g now |
| 18:17.08 | jhutchins | d3c: You can also /msg judd pciid <####:####> substituting the actual number. |
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| 18:24.14 | deadbee | kunwon1: why do you refuse to talk to me? |
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| 18:25.33 | hawu | maybe its a scared person |
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| 18:31.08 | joe` | what's a good program for ripping cds with cdparanoia/flac/cddb support? |
| 18:31.26 | chatprsn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.28 | un214 | dd /ducks |
| 18:31.39 | joe` | I'm ripping cds that I own |
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| 18:31.42 | joe` | so no |
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| 18:32.51 | joe` | btw...I've been using OpenBSD for the past year or so, and I've got to say...it's refreshing using a modern operating system |
| 18:33.01 | gusnan | joe`, you could try asunder, its packaged in Debian. |
| 18:33.29 | lord_rob | ripping cds can be done with k3b |
| 18:33.47 | jhutchins | ,versions ffmpeg |
| 18:33.49 | judd | Package ffmpeg on i386 -- lenny: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny1; lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; squeeze: 4:0.5.2-6; sid: 4:0.6.1-5; wheezy: 4:0.6.1-5; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.6.1+svn20101128-0.2; wheezy-multimedia: 5:0.6.1+svn20101128-0.2; sid-multimedia: 5:0.6.1+svn20110227-0.0 |
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| 18:34.18 | jhutchins | Crud. Loss of ddm for lenny strikes again. |
| 18:34.27 | lord_rob | you can rip track by track or make a 1:1 copy if you have a mixed cd |
| 18:34.57 | joe` | asunder looks like it does what I need |
| 18:35.06 | joe` | thanks |
| 18:35.29 | gusnan | joe`, great, glad I could help! |
| 18:35.31 | jhutchins | konqueror used to have an integrated ripping feature. |
| 18:35.56 | joe` | although audex seems nice also |
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| 18:36.09 | chatprsn | jhutchins, yea... when I put in a CD, it automatically spits out the flac version of a track |
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| 18:37.28 | joe` | banshee or rhythmbox? |
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| 18:39.33 | justin_ | has always used jack or abcde for ripping cds |
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| 18:40.21 | joe` | justin_: isn't it a pain to edit tracks when CDDB isn't quite right? |
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| 18:42.54 | chatprsn | in which sense, simply to listen to a CD track, it has to be "ripped"... so I agree with joe :) |
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| 18:44.08 | joe` | ripping for archive purposes isn't illegal anyway...at least in the U.S., and we're pretty authoritarian here |
| 18:44.49 | chatprsn | it cant be... as noted... you have to get track off CD to listen normally, at least I do |
| 18:45.38 | joe` | OT: I xmodmapped away my left arrow key and I'm too lazy to fix it before the next time I start X. this will be interesting |
| 18:47.23 | joe` | I ended up going with audex for ripping. it came with a boatload of dependencies, but none of the others did quite what I needed |
| 18:47.32 | joe` | thanks for the suggestions, all |
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| 18:49.46 | moot_ | So, for some reason, python 3 isn't showing up in my repos, and I've got no idea how to work with apt |
| 18:50.15 | chatprsn | its not in synaptic ? |
| 18:50.27 | moot_ | I've been using aptitude |
| 18:50.36 | moot_ | I'm sshing in |
| 18:50.37 | moot_ | so |
| 18:50.37 | chatprsn | debian 6 ? |
| 18:50.38 | moot_ | no gui |
| 18:50.52 | moot_ | Not sure, it isn't my server. I was jsut given sudo powers so I can admin an IRC bot |
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| 18:51.09 | moot_ | admin/develop for |
| 18:51.35 | chatprsn | ubuntuware |
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| 18:52.54 | moot_ | anyway, aptitude search shows all python stuff up to version 2.6 |
| 18:52.55 | moot_ | =\ |
| 18:53.00 | moot_ | nothing more |
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| 18:53.20 | poisonbit | apt-cache policy python3 (?) |
| 18:53.46 | moot_ | hrm |
| 18:53.50 | moot_ | a line about duplicate sources |
| 18:54.41 | moot_ | and "unable to locate package python3' |
| 18:54.48 | chatprsn | Im not sure debian... real debian... even includes py-3 yet |
| 18:54.54 | sh_sh | is there a way to list all packages installed with a certain priority (like essential) |
| 18:54.57 | sh_sh | ? |
| 18:54.57 | moot_ | See, that's what I figured was the problem |
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| 18:55.02 | poisonbit | ,python3 |
| 18:55.03 | chatprsn | nod |
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| 18:55.09 | poisonbit | !versions python3 |
| 18:55.09 | moot_ | but |
| 18:55.09 | moot_ | well |
| 18:55.13 | moot_ | it was worth a try |
| 18:55.13 | poisonbit | err there was a bot |
| 18:55.31 | poisonbit | it's on squeeze/main |
| 18:55.50 | moot_ | That's good. I'm not sure what to do with that information, but it's a start. |
| 18:56.01 | mindwalk | hi guys. another machine on my network is using my local ip, is there a command to run on my gateway box to show what mac address is using it? |
| 18:56.11 | poisonbit | ,versions python3 |
| 18:56.13 | judd | Package python3 on i386 -- sid: 3.1.3-12; squeeze: 3.1.3-12; wheezy: 3.1.3-12; experimental: 3.2~rc1-2 |
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| 18:56.46 | poisonbit | mindwalk arp as root |
| 18:56.54 | chatprsn | oh right... you need the 3 there |
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| 18:57.17 | moot_ | alright, so it's in repos somewhere |
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| 18:57.29 | chatprsn | yes... look for python3 |
| 18:57.54 | moot_ | I have. 'aptitude search python3' returns absolutely nothing |
| 18:58.20 | chatprsn | its in the current deb repos |
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| 18:58.53 | moot_ | then I guess I want to add those to my sources.list |
| 18:58.59 | moot_ | or whatever apt uses |
| 18:59.14 | poisonbit | and run "aptitude update" after changes |
| 18:59.58 | moot_ | I've got no idea what to add to which file, unfortunately |
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| 19:00.25 | poisonbit | man 5 sources.list |
| 19:00.38 | moot_ | awesome |
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| 19:01.04 | moot_ | what are the urls I need? |
| 19:01.06 | poisonbit | you can copypaste the first example |
| 19:01.09 | poisonbit | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
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| 19:01.36 | poisonbit | then you can try to add location to the server url, i.e. ftp.fr.debian.org fr => france mirror |
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| 19:02.05 | themill | dpkg: tell moot_ about make squeeze sources.list |
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| 19:06.15 | moot_ | thanks |
| 19:06.20 | moot_ | got python3 |
| 19:06.20 | moot_ | :D |
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| 19:07.03 | poisonbit | happy elsifing |
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| 19:07.25 | poisonbit | :) |
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| 19:09.31 | poisonbit | which alternative building systems to gnu auto-tools etc are recommended or compatible with debian packaging ? |
| 19:10.01 | poisonbit | i mean for "make install" "make uninstall" "make tests" etc as upstream |
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| 19:12.09 | gusnan | poisonbit, If I were you I would try that question on #debian-mentors on the OFTC network - I would guess you have more luck there. |
| 19:12.37 | alexxio | hi opened a topic here, but nobody answered, can anyone help me with a solution for this problem please? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=60861 |
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| 19:15.21 | poisonbit | alexxio, it seems that your device is v4l2 and xawtv is v4l only or something like |
| 19:15.45 | poisonbit | a no |
| 19:15.49 | poisonbit | i see the lsmod now |
| 19:16.30 | alexxio | poisonbit, the webcam is a quickcam express, i don't actually know what does it supports |
| 19:16.35 | valdyn | alexxio: try mplayer instead |
| 19:16.49 | alexxio | valdyn: have you got a complete command to try now? |
| 19:17.42 | valdyn | alexxio: trying my webcam.. |
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| 19:18.04 | poisonbit | xawtv -hwscan ? |
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| 19:21.27 | chatprsn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:23.15 | jhutchins_lt | alexxio: mplayer tv:// |
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| 19:38.49 | mindwalk | poisonbit: that's not showing all the ips/macs on my network |
| 19:39.11 | poisonbit | arp -an # on the gateway as root, should do it |
| 19:39.34 | poisonbit | on a workstation, you will see what the eth of the workstation see from the switch |
| 19:39.38 | mindwalk | ya it's only showing 3 ips, i have at least 10 on my network right now |
| 19:39.49 | poisonbit | maybe they are sleeping |
| 19:40.08 | poisonbit | launch pings or something like |
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| 19:55.59 | Prolac | why does it take a while to delete some file (using rm cmd) which has couple of gigs when for example on windows it takes second or two to delete 100gb+ file, on what does that depend? |
| 19:56.49 | poisonbit | with linux you get a poney too |
| 19:56.52 | martinex | maybe your hard drive works on UDMA2 or slower under Linux |
| 19:57.08 | tensorpudding | it takes you only a second to delete 100gb+ on windows? |
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| 19:57.36 | poisonbit | it takes just a second to craft the OS, so maybe |
| 19:57.38 | tensorpudding | that doesn't seem that believable |
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| 19:58.19 | chatprsn | Prolac the difference must be whether files actually get erased, or now just made overwriteable ? |
| 19:58.32 | RichiH | Prolac: depends on your filesystem, iirc |
| 19:58.41 | tensorpudding | rm doesn't erase things, it unlinks them |
| 19:58.46 | RichiH | on xfs, deleting a large file can take ages |
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| 20:00.33 | Prolac | so which of those two options does rm cmd do, chatprsn? |
| 20:00.35 | tensorpudding | rather, it doesn't overwrite them, it just makes them no longer appear to the filesystem as having any files there, which is a lot faster |
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| 20:00.55 | chatprsn | Prolac dunno, just guessing |
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| 20:01.06 | tensorpudding | the program shred actually overwrites files, and is slower |
| 20:01.51 | Prolac | so how much from your experience does it take to delete 5gb file using rm cmd? |
| 20:02.00 | Prolac | *single |
| 20:02.08 | RichiH | well, the file is a series of inodes, as far as the fs is concerned. if there are a lot of inodes that need to be delinked, strewn across the hole disk... and of course, the tree needs to be rebalanced all the time |
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| 20:02.31 | qrq | Ahoy |
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| 20:04.47 | dimir_ | hola |
| 20:06.35 | qrq | Well if its not offtopic channel |
| 20:06.44 | qrq | So where is all the traffic? :D |
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| 20:07.35 | tensorpudding | it all stopped as soon as you came in |
| 20:07.41 | kniu_ | Are there some asus-specific packages? |
| 20:08.00 | qrq | tensorpudding ha ha :D |
| 20:08.09 | Bushmills | ,versions eeepc-acpi-scripts |
| 20:08.10 | judd | Package eeepc-acpi-scripts on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.4; squeeze: 1.1.10; sid: 1.1.11; wheezy: 1.1.11 |
| 20:08.36 | qrq | At least its normal support channel , not like ubuntu. |
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| 20:09.13 | Bushmills | qrq: do you have a debian question? |
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| 20:09.33 | qrq | Bushmills If I say no I wlill be instructed to go on offtopic channel? :D |
| 20:09.58 | chatprsn | qrq fyi ubuntu owns freenode |
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| 20:10.57 | qrq | chatprsn Just as I thought , they even made an alias |
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| 20:11.02 | Bushmills | qrq: not sure. but i assume that you might be branded as "typical ubuntu off-topic chatterbox" |
| 20:11.07 | Mygale | hi all i have an old question :p) how i can change My AGP speed for better bandwidth 66 Mhz to 72 Mhz |
| 20:11.34 | qrq | Bushmills I dont use ubuntu |
| 20:11.53 | Bushmills | you seem to know ubuntu channel, that's somewhat indicative |
| 20:12.11 | qrq | Bushmills: I used ubuntu :) |
| 20:12.36 | qrq | Bushmills So call me just " typical off-topic chatterbox" :) |
| 20:12.46 | qrq | :D |
| 20:13.09 | Bushmills | too late. i guess your label sticks already |
| 20:13.14 | qrq | Bushmills But if you kindly ask for question |
| 20:13.18 | qrq | I got one :) |
| 20:13.48 | qrq | Thats nothing important |
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| 20:14.15 | qrq | On nvidia settings I cannot change resolution and refresh rate |
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| 20:14.24 | qrq | I got some thing like this "Unable to load X Server Display Configuration page: |
| 20:14.25 | qrq | Failed to query NoScanout for screen 0." |
| 20:16.00 | qrq | Not a tragedy anyway :) |
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| 20:18.54 | qrq | Bushmills Im a mountain guide , not a programist :) |
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| 20:21.17 | sako | hey guys so i want to set my servers fqdn as hostname.server.com |
| 20:21.38 | sako | i've renamed my hostname in /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts, how would i get the .server.com tacked on? |
| 20:21.47 | sako | thats not supposed to go in the /etc/hostname right? |
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| 20:27.20 | filip | will the debian ML server eat a 9MB message properly? |
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| 20:30.34 | Bushmills | sako: hostname your.host.name; hostname > /etc/hostname |
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| 20:31.18 | Martinp18 | Martinp23 here. Would you love to send your favourite developer a valentine? Donate £10 or more and weâll offer the target of your affections a âpdpc/valentine/message/accountâ cloak for the duration of the valentine period. The best bit? You get to choose âmessageâ! Of course, you will still, subject to the same staff discretion as usual, be welcome to a PDPC supporter cloak for yourself. Martinp18 ceduardo Wickedspawn phate408 CyberGabber phanto |
| 20:31.18 | Martinp18 | Martinp23 here. Would you love to send your favourite developer a valentine? Donate £10 or more and weâll offer the target of your affections a âpdpc/valentine/message/accountâ cloak for the duration of the valentine period. The best bit? You get to choose âmessageâ! Of course, you will still, subject to the same staff discretion as usual, be welcome to a PDPC supporter cloak for yourself. sh_sh thinksteve Sia- mindwalk RobotCow edog Floops txxt e |
| 20:31.18 | Martinp18 | Martinp23 here. Would you love to send your favourite developer a valentine? Donate £10 or more and weâll offer the target of your affections a âpdpc/valentine/message/accountâ cloak for the duration of the valentine period. The best bit? You get to choose âmessageâ! Of course, you will still, subject to the same staff discretion as usual, be welcome to a PDPC supporter cloak for yourself. brunoramos dooglus jmarsden pension massmc ta2 marienjoann |
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| 20:32.10 | Martinp5 | Martinp23 here. Would you love to send your favourite developer a valentine? Donate £10 or more and weâll offer the target of your affections a âpdpc/valentine/message/accountâ cloak for the duration of the valentine period. The best bit? You get to choose âmessageâ! Of course, you will still, subject to the same staff discretion as usual, be welcome to a PDPC supporter cloak for yourself. Martinp5 unixgeek ceduardo Wickedspawn phate408 CyberGabbe |
| 20:32.10 | Martinp5 | Martinp23 here. Would you love to send your favourite developer a valentine? Donate £10 or more and weâll offer the target of your affections a âpdpc/valentine/message/accountâ cloak for the duration of the valentine period. The best bit? You get to choose âmessageâ! Of course, you will still, subject to the same staff discretion as usual, be welcome to a PDPC supporter cloak for yourself. SushiDude sh_sh thinksteve Sia- mindwalk RobotCow edog Flo |
| 20:32.10 | Martinp5 | Martinp23 here. Would you love to send your favourite developer a valentine? Donate £10 or more and weâll offer the target of your affections a âpdpc/valentine/message/accountâ cloak for the duration of the valentine period. The best bit? You get to choose âmessageâ! Of course, you will still, subject to the same staff discretion as usual, be welcome to a PDPC supporter cloak for yourself. stonie brunoramos dooglus jmarsden pension massmc ta2 mari |
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| 20:32.57 | poccha | hello, could someone tell me how to monitor the ram used by my virtual server? |
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| 20:33.39 | BlackFate | poccha, top, htop, free |
| 20:33.43 | Bushmills | "monitor" means what? |
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| 20:34.09 | poccha | means id need a "panel" that updates all the time ... |
| 20:34.17 | Bushmills | a graph? |
| 20:34.18 | BlackFate | poccha, try munin |
| 20:34.21 | poccha | nah |
| 20:34.25 | poccha | just the numbers |
| 20:34.34 | poccha | im using free -m |
| 20:34.37 | Bushmills | watch free |
| 20:34.48 | poccha | but it says total 8001 |
| 20:34.55 | poccha | i only have 1GB ... |
| 20:34.56 | poccha | :/ |
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| 20:35.25 | Bushmills | that's not the fault of your monitoring |
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| 20:35.57 | poccha | i guess thats the memory of the whole server? |
| 20:36.18 | Bushmills | maybe |
| 20:37.03 | poccha | is there a way to just see the virtual server? |
| 20:37.06 | sako | Bushmills: i see but how is it on sme servers hostname differs from hostname -f? |
| 20:37.13 | sako | some* |
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| 20:38.13 | RobotCow | spam |
| 20:39.06 | RobotCow | oh good he was already k-lined |
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| 20:45.13 | jhutchins_lt | poccha: That depends on the virtualization. |
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| 20:46.02 | poccha | jhutchubs_lt so best way is to contact the support? |
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| 20:49.07 | Bushmills | poccha: depends on the type of virtualisation. for example, vserver shows host RAM, kvm shows guest RAM |
| 20:49.13 | jhutchins_lt | poccha: That's a possibility. If the tools see the whole RAM from within the VM then there's not much you can do. |
| 20:49.31 | jhutchins_lt | poccha: They probably have set a limit on how much your VM can use. |
| 20:49.34 | Bushmills | ah. as jhutchins_lt said |
| 20:49.43 | jhutchins_lt | poccha: The tools _should_ tell you what you're actually using though. |
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| 20:50.38 | poccha | what tools? :/ |
| 20:50.43 | poccha | top, free etc? |
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| 20:51.51 | poccha | where can i see the excat amount of mb ram used by a process? |
| 20:52.01 | poccha | top just shows a percentage? |
| 20:52.13 | Bushmills | ps aux |
| 20:53.17 | Bushmills | top also shows it, just look at other columns. RES and SHR are interesting |
| 20:53.37 | poppiez | when doing dist-upgrade I get: "the following linux command line was extracted from /etc/default/grub or the `kopt' parameter in GRUB Legacy's menu.lst". the input field is blank. what to do? |
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| 20:54.08 | sontek | what package has evolution's caldav support? I want to add my google calendar to it |
| 20:54.09 | Bushmills | poppiez: press Enter |
| 20:57.40 | poppiez | Bushmills: so that's ok? |
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| 20:58.42 | Bushmills | yes, fine. there were no kopt parameters extracted from your old grub config |
| 20:58.53 | Bushmills | probably because you didn't set any. |
| 20:58.58 | poccha | Bushmills what does res and shr mewan? i cant find it in the descrptopm |
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| 20:59.16 | Bushmills | poccha: man top. /RES <Enter> |
| 20:59.51 | poppiez | Bushmills: after updating to squeeze I can't start mysql anymore. it says: "failed" |
| 21:00.01 | Bushmills | congratulations |
| 21:00.20 | poppiez | lol |
| 21:00.27 | jhutchins_lt | poppiez: Anything about it in the release notes? |
| 21:00.55 | Bushmills | poppiez: you might want to find out *why* it says "failed" |
| 21:02.15 | poppiez | Bushmills: what log file should I look at? |
| 21:02.26 | poccha | so if my ts3 server says RES 4832 it means the teamspeakserver uses 4GB ram ?? |
| 21:02.32 | poppiez | jhutchins_lt: been looking at it before I updated. can't see anything about mysql |
| 21:04.17 | Bushmills | poppiez: i don't know why you point at me for a mysql problem, after i answered to your grub problem - but i'd reckon that the mysql log file would be a hot item. |
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| 21:10.10 | keith27 | is it possible to spoof your ip address by running a local proxy or something ? |
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| 21:11.42 | Bushmills | depends. proxies may pass through the original requester address |
| 21:12.12 | Bushmills | try a cgi script, displaying contents of $HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR |
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| 21:13.24 | keith27 | i suppose i need to learn cgi |
| 21:14.30 | Bushmills | alternatively look here: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/myip.cgi |
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| 21:19.42 | keith27 | Bushmills: i know that php pulls $_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'] from apache's tcp socket, if one were to write his own http server could you make it provide any ip address? or none at all? |
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| 21:20.54 | Bushmills | "provide any ip address" means what? |
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| 21:21.19 | Bushmills | you can make a script which outputs an arbitrary address, sure. |
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| 21:22.31 | Bushmills | http://scarydevilmonastery.net/subnet.cgi :D |
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| 21:23.47 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: mysql doesn't log much by default. |
| 21:24.26 | jhutchins_lt | keith27: You might be looking for something like The Onion Router (TOR). |
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| 21:34.15 | keith27 | jhutchins_lt: thank you for the link i am looking into it |
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| 21:35.05 | jhutchins_lt | poppiez: Have you changed the default root password in mysql since the initial install? |
| 21:35.20 | jhutchins_lt | poppiez: Also grep mysql /var/log/* -r |
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| 21:47.33 | k00pa | so does the new 6.0 have kde3 or 4? |
| 21:47.46 | k00pa | or can I just install the kde3 from official repos |
| 21:47.54 | ansgar | k00pa: Squeeze has KDE 4.4. KDE 3 is dead. |
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| 21:47.58 | k00pa | :/ |
| 21:48.19 | k00pa | meh, I dont really like the kde4 |
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| 21:48.39 | k00pa | or atleast the early version |
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| 21:48.44 | k00pa | should try again |
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| 21:48.56 | luckz | is it possible to set something like --no-check-certificate in the .wgetrc? |
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| 21:50.03 | Erbureth | k00pa: it has become better |
| 21:50.17 | k00pa | everything felt just so bloated and roundy |
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| 21:50.29 | k00pa | like the buttons etc, just horrible UI in my opinion |
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| 21:51.22 | jeffrin | iam not able to directly render subtitles in the movie using acidrip in copy mode |
| 21:51.40 | jeffrin | in/into |
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| 21:57.44 | jhutchins_lt | Still no replacement for Quanta. |
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| 21:58.22 | jhutchins_lt | k00pa: Supposedly it's continuing to improve. 4.4.5 in squeeze, I hear good things about 4.5. |
| 21:58.37 | jhutchins_lt | k00pa: I'm reluctant to upgrade my old AMD 1.8G box though. |
| 21:58.45 | k00pa | I hope that it improves |
| 21:58.48 | k00pa | as gnome is not that good |
| 21:58.58 | k00pa | and when I tried kde4 it was even worse than gnome |
| 21:59.06 | k00pa | kde3 was about perfect for me |
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| 21:59.11 | jhutchins_lt | k00pa: It IS fairly configurable, there are themes and such. |
| 21:59.29 | k00pa | yea, but at the time there wasn't much to configure without knifing cfg's manually |
| 21:59.30 | jhutchins_lt | k00pa: Gnome's going to drop maximize/minimize buttons in Gnome3. |
| 21:59.31 | Erbureth | jhutchins_lt: you can still use Trinity |
| 21:59.40 | poppiez | jhutchins_lt: it had uninstalled mysql after upgrading but it kept the configs. really weird |
| 21:59.41 | k00pa | O_o |
| 21:59.42 | k00pa | why |
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| 21:59.46 | jhutchins_lt | !info trinity |
| 21:59.51 | Erbureth | jhutchins_lt: at least with Squeeze |
| 21:59.52 | k00pa | how you minimize/maximize then |
| 21:59.58 | jhutchins_lt | ,info trinity |
| 22:00.00 | Erbureth | jhutchins_lt: (unofficial packages only) |
| 22:00.00 | judd | No record of package 'trinity' in squeeze/i386. |
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| 22:00.29 | jhutchins_lt | Erbureth: The only trinity I know of is a set of hardening scripts for server. |
| 22:00.33 | jhutchins_lt | s |
| 22:00.53 | Erbureth | jhutchins_lt: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/ |
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| 22:02.52 | jhutchins_lt | I wish people would at least google their project names before they decide on them. |
| 22:02.54 | foetus | Hi, i'm using an brand new wireless lan stick, model TL-WN821N - is there any support in the official 2.6.26 kernel ? |
| 22:03.31 | jhutchins_lt | Erbureth: HAH! I KNEW someone would do that! Thanks! |
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| 22:04.23 | Erbureth | jhutchins_lt: no problem, i use it myself on my old AthlonXP box |
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| 22:07.11 | jhutchins_lt | foetus: Doesn't look like there's any linux support yet. They have linux drivers on their site for other devices. |
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| 22:08.28 | jhutchins_lt | foetus: Wait, ar9170 may support it... |
| 22:08.35 | jhutchins_lt | !ar9170usb |
| 22:08.35 | dpkg | ar9170usb is a driver for Atheros AR9170 2-stream 802.11 draft-n USB wireless LAN chipsets, included since Linux 2.6.30. Lenny users: ask me about <bdo kernel lenny> to install a later kernel containing this driver. Firmware is required (ar9170.fw), ask me about <atheros firmware> to provide. Does not support 802.11n, see <carl9170>. http://wiki.debian.org/ar9170usb . For AR9271 and AR7010 support, see <ath9k_htc>. |
| 22:08.56 | foetus | jhutchins_lt: sounds good :) |
| 22:09.24 | jhutchins_lt | foetus: Does lsusb give you a numeric id? |
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| 22:11.20 | foetus | jhutchins_lt: i will try it -- i must reboot, thanks,jhutchins_lt. |
| 22:15.35 | thewanderer1 | which DVD images should I get to have both GNOME (I suppose it's on #1) and KDE? |
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| 22:19.44 | foetus | ok, i need a 2.6.32 kernel.. nice help, jhutchins_lt and thanks for the bot message! |
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| 22:25.41 | RichiH | is just watching toy story 3 |
| 22:25.56 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: Probably. |
| 22:25.57 | RichiH | the second next release should be named pea brain |
| 22:26.35 | jhutchins_lt | thewanderer1: We haven't come up with a good answer yet for "which iso?". |
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| 22:47.54 | kniu_ | I'm missing the asus_laptop module. |
| 22:48.04 | kniu_ | Do I really have to compile a custom kernel to get it? |
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| 22:56.52 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 22:56.59 | HardDisk_WP | i'm having a bit of problem with openldap |
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| 22:57.28 | HardDisk_WP | added two OUs under the top of the tree |
| 22:57.53 | HardDisk_WP | they show up in slapcat, but not in ldapsearch -x or ldapsearch -D cn=admin,dc=vm-dg,dc=de -w xxxxxx |
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| 23:01.57 | HardDisk_WP | whoops, found the error, one .de too much in ldap.conf base *blush* |
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| 23:11.30 | ALFA | hi all |
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| 23:13.03 | ALFA | whot server os is the best ? |
| 23:13.20 | Sm0ke0ut | depends on your needs |
| 23:13.27 | ALFA | ;) |
| 23:13.41 | ALFA | good answer |
| 23:14.10 | ALFA | i wont to lurn somethink whot you offer me ? |
| 23:14.42 | Sm0ke0ut | As you're here you can use Debian ;-) |
| 23:15.12 | delby | hi. is it possible to install debian to a usb flash drive using the installer as if the usb flash drive is the hd? |
| 23:15.23 | ALFA | yes i wont lurn |
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| 23:18.18 | Sm0ke0ut | delby I guess there are many tutorials on the internet? Have you tried to use google already? |
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| 23:19.36 | delby | yes, i found live system options and chroot options but i hant found anything about booting the installer as if to install normally but then installing to usb stick instead of hard drive. |
| 23:20.00 | delby | s/hant/havenât |
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| 23:20.41 | Sm0ke0ut | *google, first hit* http://linux.koolsolutions.com/2009/02/03/installing-linux-on-usb-part-5-installing-debian-linux-on-usb-flash-memory-drives/ |
| 23:20.44 | delby | i suppose i could just boot the installer from cd with usb stick plugged in and see if it will let me choose it |
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| 23:22.56 | ReinH | Why does /etc/init.d/skeleton end with a line containing ":"? |
| 23:23.06 | ReinH | What does the : do? |
| 23:23.27 | petemc | same as true |
| 23:23.31 | fnordperfect | hi! I'd like to enable bitmap fonts like the xfonts-jmk ones, but just for my user account. |
| 23:23.48 | ReinH | petemc: thanks |
| 23:23.58 | petemc | np |
| 23:24.15 | ReinH | that was difficult to google, although help : would have worked |
| 23:24.19 | ReinH | facepalms |
| 23:24.52 | delby | SmOkeOut: thank you. should have found it myself ): |
| 23:25.11 | thewanderer1 | umm. I supply "speed=16" option to wodim, but it insists on burning with a speed of "17.0" O.o |
| 23:25.18 | ReinH | petemc: do most people use the skeleton when writing their own init.d scripts? Or do they just put something together ad hoc? |
| 23:25.32 | petemc | im not sure |
| 23:25.41 | ReinH | there's a lot of magic in there |
| 23:26.15 | ReinH | not :, the log functions and /lib/init/vars.sh |
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| 23:26.43 | ReinH | although I suppose it isn't really magic, it's just sufficiently advanced technology |
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| 23:31.22 | pettyvm | hi |
| 23:32.35 | zelliott | I'm trying to throw debian on a Lenovo ThinkCentre M70e (0809C6U) and am having issues with the Ethernet drivers during installation. I know the ethernet card is onboard but it's been fairly hard to dig up other information |
| 23:32.39 | zelliott | any suggestions? |
| 23:33.28 | oiooi | hi, what's the difference between flashplugin-nofree & gnash? |
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| 23:33.59 | fnordperfect | okay, I got it. I copied and adapted the config file for terminus, but as I tried it first, I forgot to consider in which sequence the config files are processed.. |
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| 23:34.08 | pettyvm | on deb6? |
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| 23:34.28 | oiooi | gnash doen't play youtube |
| 23:34.41 | pettyvm | the non open firmware needs to be bound and still notebooks hazzle |
| 23:34.45 | fnordperfect | oiooi: flashplugin-nonfree downloads the plugin archive from the adobe server, gnash is an open source reeimplementation, which isn't full featured |
| 23:34.49 | pettyvm | some |
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| 23:35.47 | pettyvm | a sec... on the other machine |
| 23:36.07 | zelliott | it's deb 5 if that helps |
| 23:36.40 | oiooi | thanx fnordperfect, still gnash does not play youtube... |
| 23:37.10 | thewanderer1 | oiooi: install minitube and it'll recode movies to non-proprietary format and play it on the fly |
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| 23:37.46 | jmarsden | zelliott: lspci | grep Ethernet # may help reveal the networking chip in your machine? |
| 23:37.47 | aleph__ | re .. the other machine |
| 23:38.10 | zelliott | jmarsden: don't have an installation yet =P |
| 23:38.20 | zelliott | I think it's a marvell 88e8057 |
| 23:39.02 | jmarsden | zelliott: Then boot from a LiveCD or USB and poke at it? OK, so search for info on that chip and Debian, and see what you can find out regarding drivers ? |
| 23:39.17 | oiooi | minitube is not a deb though |
| 23:39.40 | aleph__ | did you add lines to /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 23:39.45 | aleph__ | like: |
| 23:40.49 | aleph__ | deb http://ftp.dedebian.org/debian/ squeeze main non-free |
| 23:40.50 | thewanderer1 | ok, so my DVD burner has just burned a disc and it has a different md5sum than the Debian ISO, right after burning... is that normal? haven't handled optical media for years... O.o |
| 23:41.20 | thewanderer1 | minitube is a package, only in unstable... but works fine on Squeeze |
| 23:41.52 | aleph__ | deb http://security.debian.org/squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
| 23:42.21 | oiooi | thanx |
| 23:42.34 | aleph__ | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian squeeze-updates main |
| 23:43.04 | fnordperfect | oiooi: Is there a reason you don't use Adobe's plug-in? you could also switch to a recent browser like Chromium or Firefox4 and let Youtube play videos without any third party plug-in at all |
| 23:43.04 | aleph__ | these should be added to the file mentioned |
| 23:43.27 | oiooi | ok then |
| 23:43.41 | aleph__ | than use apt get or aptitude or.. |
| 23:44.20 | oiooi | thank u all |
| 23:44.41 | aleph__ | you need the non fre stuff heavily at mobile stuff it is a pitty the chips dont free it.. |
| 23:45.19 | aleph__ | just add the lines using su nano or su (editor you like) |
| 23:45.33 | oiooi | but i kind of like Iceweasel... |
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| 23:46.18 | aleph__ | i like a free open world too hardware sometimes tells you harder .. but with time there might be insight |
| 23:46.27 | oiooi | guess can't have it all.. |
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| 23:47.40 | aleph__ | but ffmpeg can replay most xvid stuff even browser based |
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| 23:48.28 | aleph__ | so theres no need for unfree soft for this |
| 23:50.16 | valdyn | thewanderer1: its normal if its also a different size |
| 23:50.39 | thewanderer1 | how would I know? |
| 23:50.53 | aleph__ | differnt size to what? |
| 23:51.10 | valdyn | thewanderer1: by reading the whole disk again |
| 23:51.13 | thewanderer1 | aww... |
| 23:51.21 | valdyn | thewanderer1: cat /dev/dvd > file.img |
| 23:51.29 | aleph__ | is this an upgrade? |
| 23:51.32 | thewanderer1 | I think I prefer dealing with a broken d-i :P |
| 23:51.33 | valdyn | thewanderer1: or you can just "cmp /dev/dvd debian.iso" |
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| 23:52.06 | thewanderer1 | oh, there was something like a USB install |
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| 23:53.27 | valdyn | thewanderer1: i dont really know much about dvd block sizes udf block sizes, but any difference there can be cause of different size and thus different md5sum |
| 23:53.38 | [biabia] | i installed apache by compiling, and had an init script that started it after boot, but it stopped working. i deleted the script but I cant figure out how to make a new one |
| 23:54.07 | thewanderer1 | I'd say that burning this disc with speed 17x while the physical medium is certified up to 16x was no good, but then wodim doesn't allow me to change the speed :/ |
| 23:54.16 | aleph__ | problems after iso to pen with the start medium installer? or is a repository not reachable |
| 23:54.55 | valdyn | thewanderer1: your burner "sees" the maxiumum speed |
| 23:55.08 | valdyn | thewanderer1: im not even sure its possible to burn to fast |
| 23:55.11 | thewanderer1 | I wouldn't be so sure... wodim said 17.0 |
| 23:55.19 | valdyn | thewanderer1: the speed should vary |
| 23:55.41 | thewanderer1 | it'd surprise me if the DVD drive would actually communicate with the disc :P |
| 23:55.47 | valdyn | thewanderer1: speed on the inner area being slower than outer area |
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| 23:56.15 | valdyn | thewanderer1: umm, its not new, that the disk "communicates" |
| 23:56.15 | aleph__ | i guessed it was an usb-stick install? |
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| 23:56.33 | valdyn | thewanderer1: it has specs written on it, and the burner reads those |
| 23:56.35 | thewanderer1 | it never quite detected speeds for me |
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| 23:58.06 | valdyn | thewanderer1: cdrecord used to show what type of disk is inserted, optionaly, wodim did the same last i used it |
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| 23:58.10 | thewanderer1 | but if Squeeze has hybrid ISOs, as claims the manual, I'm dropping this disc fun altogether :P |
| 23:58.41 | aleph__ | aint there a net install image.. just add the non free stuff mentioned above when promted .. i buy dvd at store for support and the luck of packages coming in;) |
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| 23:59.35 | aleph__ | the dvd is also non free but you can add repositories sometime within the install |
| 23:59.37 | thewanderer1 | downloading packages on the spot would take 3 days |
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