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| 00:09.11 | gnarface | so uh |
| 00:09.25 | gnarface | say i have 8 debian systems i run in my house |
| 00:09.33 | dvs | o_O |
| 00:09.53 | gnarface | should i set up a private mirror to save other mirrors' bandwidth? |
| 00:10.10 | gnarface | at what point does it become rude or irresponsible to use the public mirrors? |
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| 00:10.19 | themill | a caching proxy would be better than a full mirror |
| 00:10.31 | dvs | gnarface: You have a bandwidth limit from you ISP? |
| 00:11.07 | gnarface | dvs: no, i pay for Speakeay's "sysadmin gold" package specifically to avoid bandwidth caps and port usage restrictions |
| 00:11.37 | gnarface | i'd only have to run one big update on half of these computers to exceed a standard cable modem bandwidth cap |
| 00:11.47 | dvs | no kidding |
| 00:11.56 | gnarface | and that's not even counting netflix |
| 00:12.19 | gnarface | (netflix streaming Wii app by the way - so damned cool) |
| 00:12.20 | dvs | is glad he has a 300GB limit |
| 00:13.07 | gnarface | themill: caching proxy like some sort of squid thing you mean? |
| 00:13.39 | themill | or approx or apt-cacher{,-ng} or ... |
| 00:14.28 | gnarface | apt-cacher! |
| 00:14.29 | gnarface | nice |
| 00:14.31 | gnarface | damn |
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| 00:14.49 | gnarface | see, there really should be a tv show that reviews debian packages |
| 00:15.06 | gnarface | so many of my problems can be solved by simply knowing the name of the right package |
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| 00:23.04 | thewanderer1 | gnarface: this: http://debaday.livejournal.com/ is as close as you can get |
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| 00:23.36 | gnarface | *sigh* |
| 00:23.37 | thewanderer1 | it is also ripe old, didn't know it ceased to update... roll your own :) |
| 00:23.44 | gnarface | may have to break his oath against reading livejournal |
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| 00:24.08 | gnarface | i need some clowns and a volunteer camera person |
| 00:24.19 | gnarface | my debian package show would be entertaining too |
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| 00:35.24 | mastahyeti | I am trying to install internet explorer in wine and I remember their being a fairly well known script that helped install a bunch of common pain in the ass windows apps like ie. Does anyone know the name of this, or am I loosing my mind? |
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| 00:36.36 | buntunub | http://www.tatanka.com.br/ |
| 00:36.40 | buntunub | ies4linux |
| 00:37.07 | mastahyeti | yeah, there is that, but I have used another one too. I didn't like the ies4linux because it installed a bunch of other shit too... |
| 00:37.24 | Axela | winetricks? |
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| 00:37.37 | mastahyeti | that was it |
| 00:37.38 | mastahyeti | thanks! |
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| 00:37.43 | Axela | np buddy |
| 00:38.03 | gnarface | is curious if winetricks would do it - but for my purposes it would need to allow installation from the standard microsoft installer too (as i have no windows instance from which to copy anything at all) |
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| 00:38.30 | Axela | always ran into some issues with ie |
| 00:38.45 | Axela | ended up virtual-boxing a windows 7 |
| 00:38.46 | Axela | :) |
| 00:38.48 | mastahyeti | I was using playonlinux recently and it worked pretty well, but it is giving me a hard time tonight and I don't have time to mess with it |
| 00:39.09 | mastahyeti | playonlinux can do installs for ie6 and 7 |
| 00:39.17 | Axela | sweet |
| 00:39.39 | Axela | Until they have a fully working version of Visual Studio 2010 in wine.. I'll stick with virtual box |
| 00:39.41 | Axela | heh :/ |
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| 00:39.57 | mastahyeti | that will be the day |
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| 00:40.06 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 00:40.09 | Axela | I dont think I will live to see it tho |
| 00:40.15 | Axela | ;) |
| 00:40.33 | mastahyeti | not until they move windows to a linux kernel |
| 00:40.42 | Axela | imagine that |
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| 00:40.54 | JmZ | http://gyazo.com/83dbd0a767c269970e3ad502b31ef5c7.png |
| 00:40.57 | jhutchins_lt | Axela: inkscape |
| 00:40.58 | man_in_shack | http://dpaste.com/481767/ << i'm getting this while trying to compile wine-unstable packages |
| 00:41.16 | JmZ | booting from the debian CD, selecting rescue mode, results in a blank screen with a cursor, indefinitely |
| 00:41.16 | jhutchins_lt | man_in_shack: Why do you suppose they call them unstable? |
| 00:41.20 | JmZ | so what do i do? |
| 00:41.28 | man_in_shack | jhutchins_lt, i'm trying to BUILD THE PACKAGES |
| 00:41.56 | man_in_shack | dpkg-source: error: can't build with source format '3.0 (quilt)': no orig.tar file found << and that's what i'm getting |
| 00:42.03 | man_in_shack | i can't work out what file it's looking for |
| 00:42.06 | gnarface | visual studio will never darken my doorstep. i just need to be able to test IE6-9 so i can spend the extra 60% time it takes to hack my XHTML/CSS/JS for IE compatibility for work |
| 00:42.12 | man_in_shack | i have wine-unstable-1.3.15.orig.tar.bz2 |
| 00:42.15 | JmZ | can someone take a look at the screenshot and not mute me this time |
| 00:42.23 | man_in_shack | in the parent directory |
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| 00:42.35 | Axela | its still a good IDE |
| 00:42.59 | Axela | and I have to admit, I really like c#+mvc3 |
| 00:43.07 | gnarface | sure visual studio is a great IDE. the fact that i'm fundamentally opposed to IDE's is relevant though. |
| 00:43.11 | JmZ | still stuck on a blank screen |
| 00:43.11 | man_in_shack | does anyone know what might be causing dpkg-source to fail to find the orig.tar file? |
| 00:43.14 | mastahyeti | its a great ide, but its not worth using windows for |
| 00:43.20 | JmZ | seems that grub just hangs |
| 00:43.31 | JmZ | and booting the debian6 CD just gets stuck on rescue |
| 00:43.37 | JmZ | doublefail |
| 00:43.54 | gnarface | JmZ: whats interesting to me about this screenshot is i'm seeing text that is very dos-specific |
| 00:44.01 | Axela | true.. but when you code for a company that has 99% of windows workstations.. a virtualbox of windows is a no brainer |
| 00:44.11 | gnarface | JmZ: did you perchance try this on any machine that is NOT a VM? |
| 00:44.26 | jhutchins_lt | JmZ: Possibly the drier for the filesystem isn't in your initrd; possibly grub2 can't handle the filesystem. Try booting to console with the rescue CD. |
| 00:44.37 | mastahyeti | yeah. thats why I keep a windows side on my work box |
| 00:44.51 | JmZ | jhutchins_lt: like i said, im trying the rescue feature in debian but it hangs |
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| 00:45.05 | gnarface | JmZ: lemme guess, your VM is VMware? |
| 00:45.08 | Axela | dont get me wrong.. I still run a Debian box 24/7 at work hehehe |
| 00:45.08 | JmZ | no |
| 00:45.09 | JmZ | kvm |
| 00:45.15 | gnarface | hmm |
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| 00:45.54 | JmZ | if the debian CD would just not hang i'd be able to try something at least |
| 00:46.01 | JmZ | but no, im stuck at a blank screen |
| 00:46.03 | gnarface | JmZ: out of my league then. not only have i never seen this issue, i can't even imagine a possible situation where this issue would appear in THAT font. what did you do? |
| 00:46.12 | JmZ | ignore the font |
| 00:46.18 | gnarface | its relevant.... |
| 00:46.25 | JmZ | its not, its just how im viewing it |
| 00:46.31 | JmZ | vnc because the console doesn't exist |
| 00:46.38 | gnarface | that's a dos prompt font! |
| 00:46.43 | gnarface | what did you do? |
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| 00:46.56 | JmZ | whatever im using to view it gives it that font |
| 00:47.01 | JmZ | it does not look like that on the vm |
| 00:47.12 | gnarface | whatever are you using to view it? |
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| 00:47.18 | JmZ | eh long story |
| 00:47.29 | gnarface | do tell |
| 00:47.32 | gnarface | take us down the rabbit hole |
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| 00:47.59 | JmZ | well firewall rules and such block me from connecting to the vnc display from my machine, so i have to connect to it locally and forward that over X |
| 00:48.03 | JmZ | which seems to produce that font |
| 00:48.22 | gnarface | locally from what? a dos prompt on a windows box? |
| 00:48.35 | JmZ | as in, running the vncviewer on the physical server |
| 00:48.41 | JmZ | to connect to the VM |
| 00:48.45 | JmZ | on that same server |
| 00:48.59 | gnarface | but you're ... on a windows box? |
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| 00:49.08 | JmZ | no its also running debian |
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| 00:49.17 | JmZ | only my system im on right now is windows |
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| 00:49.48 | gnarface | this is so confusing |
| 00:49.54 | JmZ | ok look |
| 00:50.18 | JmZ | the VM runs debian, the system it is on runs debian and is forwarding the vncviewer instance over x to my system which is running windows |
| 00:50.27 | gnarface | connect locally -> forward over X = should NOT give you a dos font, unless you'd installed a dos font on the server |
| 00:50.41 | blast_hardcheese | Holy CRAP i7 2600k boots fast |
| 00:51.03 | blast_hardcheese | Entire system is booted in like 5 seconds |
| 00:51.04 | JmZ | gnarface: well, beats me, does it on both my VMs, one of which is a clean install |
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| 00:51.15 | Axela | damn you |
| 00:51.16 | gnarface | JmZ: the other one boots fine? |
| 00:51.21 | JmZ | omg i can smell SO MUCH WEED right now |
| 00:51.21 | JmZ | yes |
| 00:51.21 | Axela | I want a sandy too |
| 00:51.22 | Axela | :( |
| 00:51.26 | nn102400 | ya i7 is 8 processors .. blast_hardcheese What in the world do you need all that power for .. You doing hard core 3d rendering ? |
| 00:51.27 | JmZ | the other hasn't been dist-upgrade'd |
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| 00:51.44 | JmZ | jesus christ are they smoking a frickin farm next door |
| 00:51.45 | man_in_shack | BAH |
| 00:52.00 | JmZ | ill get high off the fumes |
| 00:52.01 | man_in_shack | seriously can't work out how the freak dpkg-source is not finding the orig.tar package |
| 00:52.07 | blast_hardcheese | nn102400: Going to be playing around with virtualization, the last time I bought a machine was a 2.54ghz C2D. Considering this machine only cost 800USD, I treated myself to the best I could get :D |
| 00:52.22 | themill | man_in_shack: it needs to have the right filename and be in .. |
| 00:52.36 | man_in_shack | i have ../wine-unstable-1.3.15.orig.tar.bz2 |
| 00:52.41 | man_in_shack | and it's not finding it |
| 00:52.49 | nn102400 | blast_hardcheese, Its not the cost of the system you have to wory about. Its the cost of your energy bill at the end of the month, lol. |
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| 00:52.50 | blast_hardcheese | nn102400: Also, 4 of the 8 processors are Hyperthreaded, so only 4 real cores |
| 00:52.52 | blast_hardcheese | but still |
| 00:52.55 | little_owl | I installed SELinux, Debian Squeeze, enforcing mode, default policy. Nautilus almost doesn't work, system is impossible to shut down and /var/log/messages is full of "avc: denied ". After the reset Gnome doesn't start at all. Question: Is Squeeze actually prepared for SELinux? |
| 00:53.12 | blast_hardcheese | nn102400: I'm actually phasing out 4 other servers, replacing them all with virtualized guests on this box. |
| 00:53.25 | JmZ | so much weed |
| 00:53.30 | JmZ | going to suffocate |
| 00:53.39 | man_in_shack | themill, how does dpkg-source determine what filename to look for? |
| 00:53.44 | jhutchins_lt | little_owl: The question isn't "Is squeeze prepared?", it's "is little_owl prepared?". |
| 00:53.50 | JmZ | gnarface: ignore the font can you help? |
| 00:53.52 | themill | man_in_shack: _ not - between package name and version |
| 00:53.55 | nn102400 | blast_hardcheese, thats cool, how well do vm boxes actually work ? |
| 00:54.02 | man_in_shack | ah ty |
| 00:54.14 | mastahyeti | man_in_shack, dpkg-source looks for dsc files |
| 00:54.33 | mastahyeti | man_in_shack, what are you trying to do exaclty with a bz file and dpkg-source? |
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| 00:54.46 | gnarface | JmZ: i'm afriad i don't have any relevant kvm experience... i was just pointing it out as something that seems to be a sign of something alarmingly wrong in your process. |
| 00:54.54 | blast_hardcheese | nn102400: Well, they're becoming industry standard considering all the native virtualization support in CPUs these days. It's now possible to virtualize guests in such a way that they don't even know they're being virtualized, so even OSes that don't support being a guest can be guests |
| 00:55.09 | man_in_shack | mastahyeti, it's being called as part of package building by pbuilder |
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| 00:55.11 | jhutchins_lt | VM is great technology. I know of a company that's transitioning from having to build their application servers to being able to distribute a VM image. |
| 00:55.23 | mastahyeti | I vote for esxi for server virtualization. it has changed my life |
| 00:55.25 | little_owl | jhutchins_lt: I am. But I didn't expect such problems with the default policy :-/ |
| 00:55.56 | jhutchins_lt | little_owl: Sounds about right for what I've heard of selinux, unless you take the windows approach and get it pre-configured by someone else like RedHat. |
| 00:56.06 | blast_hardcheese | mastahyeti: I think I'm going to do xen and kvm; What's esxi? |
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| 00:56.14 | JmZ | gnarface: but #kvm sends me here and you send me there |
| 00:56.18 | mastahyeti | man_in_shack, cant help you with that one |
| 00:56.29 | JmZ | gnarface: the rescue feature on the CD hangs and i cant boot grub2 |
| 00:56.40 | JmZ | so if i just fix one of those i can fix it all |
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| 00:56.48 | mastahyeti | blast_hardcheese, its a bare metal hypervisor from vmware. it runs a very very minimalistic kernel. its stupidly fast |
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| 00:56.50 | jhutchins_lt | blast_hardcheese: We're not trying to get rid of you, just get you somewhere where there are enough people who know about it to help you. |
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| 00:57.21 | man_in_shack | "sudo: sorry, you are not allowed to preserve the environment" |
| 00:57.24 | man_in_shack | facedesks |
| 00:57.33 | mastahyeti | blast_hardcheese, i am not a big fan of xen, but i havent used it in a few years |
| 00:57.47 | jhutchins_lt | man_in_shack: su - |
| 00:57.58 | blast_hardcheese | jhutchins: Oh, sorry if I'm disrupting; I was just sharing how amazed I was with this hardware. I usually lurk in this channel, helping here and there |
| 00:58.05 | man_in_shack | only if i absolutely have to |
| 00:58.23 | blast_hardcheese | mastahyeti: I love kvm, but I'd like to branch out to other technologies |
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| 00:58.55 | mastahyeti | you should check out esxi. its free except for production systems so you can at least give it a whirl... |
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| 00:59.34 | jhutchins_lt | blast_hardcheese: No, I just don't want you to feel like we're being mean with circular referrals. |
| 00:59.34 | blast_hardcheese | Huh, cool |
| 00:59.41 | man_in_shack | and i'm out of time to fix this |
| 00:59.49 | little_owl | jhutchins_lt: Yes, I used to use Fedora/CentOS, and it works without any problems. I need only a protection of services like sshd, hopefully I find a way to set it up. |
| 00:59.49 | blast_hardcheese | jhutchins: Ah, no worries. I didn't even realize I was getting them |
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| 00:59.59 | jhutchins_lt | I'm done for the night as well. |
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| 01:00.02 | blast_hardcheese | whoops, didn't notice the _lt |
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| 01:02.26 | blast_hardcheese | Do I need a security.debian.org line in my apt conf if I'm running unstable? |
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| 01:04.10 | ahammond | msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 01:04.27 | nvz | blast_hardcheese: nope |
| 01:04.42 | nvz | blast_hardcheese: unstable gets its updates directly cause its unstable |
| 01:04.55 | tlab | can I add ppa's in debian like I did in ubuntu? |
| 01:04.56 | blast_hardcheese | Rockin. |
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| 01:27.03 | JmZ | well #kvm is dead |
| 01:27.07 | JmZ | so im back here |
| 01:27.32 | JmZ | my system hangs no matter which OS i try boot, debian, debian rescue mode, generic rescue cd, generic rescue cd cached to memory |
| 01:27.36 | Guest67733 | hey guys I'm trying to output an unicode character from a program written in C++ but no luck so far, any ideas? |
| 01:27.38 | JmZ | no errors, just stops during init |
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| 01:28.25 | JmZ | this is painfully frustrating. |
| 01:28.59 | gnarface | JmZ: here's a theory i'm working on... how about you try this WITHOUT a VM? |
| 01:29.53 | JmZ | gnarface: the VM is the thing that isn't booting... |
| 01:30.08 | JmZ | without a VM i wouldn't have an OS in the first place to have this problem O_o |
| 01:30.37 | JmZ | just throw any suggestions out, anything, anyone |
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| 01:33.42 | jhutchins_lt | JmZ: kvm forums/mailing list(s). |
| 01:33.55 | JmZ | oh yeah im going to get a fast reply there /sarcasm |
| 01:35.24 | jhutchins_lt | I'm just wondering if you'll last a whole day without getting banned. |
| 01:36.16 | JmZ | i've been idling in here for a year now, so yeah i did |
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| 01:37.53 | ubiquitous1980 | where is wodim in squeeze now? |
| 01:39.15 | ubiquitous1980 | actually, what happened to cdrkit? |
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| 01:42.20 | Guest67733 | exit |
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| 01:45.06 | edward | does init.d happen to store the status for iptables any where useful? I currently have a check against /proc/iptables something but I'd like to do it properly if I could |
| 01:46.02 | gnarface | JmZ: ok i've got another suggestion. try a different VM. i really like linux-vservers (but i may be the only one who does) |
| 01:46.04 | dvs | edward: http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 01:46.35 | gnarface | user-mode-linux is pretty damned compelling too, but linux-vservers have a strong performance edge over... basically everything |
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| 01:46.49 | gnarface | (even in some cases bare hardware) |
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| 01:49.18 | JmZ | gnarface: but I don't want another VM, this VM contains data and services already |
| 01:49.22 | JmZ | i need to restore THIS one |
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| 01:53.23 | JmZ | gnarface: it hangs during init, no matter what OS I try boot |
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| 01:55.40 | JmZ | and it is since the dist-upgrade |
| 01:55.47 | JmZ | hence why im in #debian |
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| 02:05.53 | JmZ | yup |
| 02:06.00 | JmZ | it even gets stuck loading rescatux |
| 02:06.08 | JmZ | no live CD works, they all hang |
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| 02:08.36 | ahammond | how do I install postgresql-9.0 on squeeze? |
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| 02:09.51 | tharkun | !bpo |
| 02:09.51 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo key> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo kernel> <bdo bugs> <bdo pinning> <backports-sloppy> <volatile>. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100905 |
| 02:09.56 | arex\ | My previous entries in sources.list has become 404. How should sources.list look? |
| 02:10.33 | dvs | arex\: paste your sources.list |
| 02:10.46 | ahammond | tharkun: thanks :) |
| 02:10.48 | dvs | !pastebin |
| 02:10.48 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 02:11.20 | arex\ | dvs: http://pastie.org/1645728 |
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| 02:11.49 | dvs | !etch |
| 02:11.49 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 02:12.32 | arex\ | Really. I guess my host sucks. |
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| 02:12.56 | arex\ | !etch->lenny |
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| 02:13.26 | arex\ | !etch sources.list |
| 02:13.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, etch sources.list is "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main contrib non-free". But realise that Etch has not had security support since February 2010 and that you should upgrade to a newer release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>. |
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| 02:18.33 | diffra | Does anyone know how to do a netinstall from dvd media (i.e. disable the cd/dvd media in the installer to force it to use the network)? |
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| 02:20.09 | JmZ | so i managed to get into the grub command line and boot my OS but it just hangs during init |
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| 02:20.12 | JmZ | like every other os |
| 02:20.14 | dvs | diffra: it does that by default |
| 02:20.32 | JmZ | no errors |
| 02:20.35 | JmZ | just doesn't continue |
| 02:21.15 | diffra | dvs: i mean, can i make the network take priority? It appears the media I have is corrupt and I don't have the bandwidth to redownload, but only a couple of packages (libpopt-dev is the one failing right now) |
| 02:21.24 | JmZ | yep now its stuck as usual |
| 02:21.30 | JmZ | i wish someone could help |
| 02:21.32 | diffra | So I'd like to configure the installer to ignore the media and use the network for everything |
| 02:21.55 | JmZ | i've been active 4 hours now and not one person has helped |
| 02:22.06 | JmZ | i even tried a mailing list out of desperation, of course no response yet |
| 02:22.17 | arvind_khadri | diffra, then you will need netboot |
| 02:22.28 | JmZ | i have a 9-5 day tomorrow and im awake at 2:30 fixing this |
| 02:22.57 | JmZ | all i need is to be pointed in some direction at least |
| 02:23.21 | dvs | diffra: I don't think you can do that. That's what a netinstall ISO is for. |
| 02:23.26 | woonix | JmZ: fixing? Was it working fine at one point? |
| 02:23.41 | woonix | I just got here so I don't know all the details |
| 02:23.54 | JmZ | ill repeat it again for you |
| 02:23.58 | woonix | ty |
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| 02:24.54 | tharkun | ahammond: Is there something outstanding on postgresql 9.0? |
| 02:25.01 | JmZ | I run two VMs on a debian machine (using KVM on LVM volumes), i dist-upgrade'd one of the VMs, today i rebooted it (bad bad idea). It now hangs when it reaches grub2 (debian decided to chainload it after grub1) |
| 02:25.18 | JmZ | Booting *any* rescue CD results in it hanging during init |
| 02:25.38 | JmZ | using the grub command line to boot directly into the OS, bypassing grub2, result in it hanging during init |
| 02:26.04 | ahammond | tharkun: rather a number of nice features. Check out http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.0/static/release-9-0.html |
| 02:26.05 | JmZ | trying to run rescatux (live cd to repair grub and what not), hangs at 'loading...' |
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| 02:26.33 | JmZ | there are no errors, it just does not continue, it pauses |
| 02:26.39 | ahammond | hot-standby via log-shipping with read-only queries... awesome. :) |
| 02:26.50 | JmZ | woonix: there you go |
| 02:26.51 | ahammond | If we'd had that back in the day, we'd never have developed slony. |
| 02:27.25 | rgr_ | You trust a live dvd with "scat" in the name? Try SuperGrub. |
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| 02:27.45 | JmZ | rgr_: rescatux is actually under the supergrub project |
| 02:27.47 | JmZ | so... |
| 02:28.10 | rgr_ | whats your problem? |
| 02:28.20 | JmZ | i just described it above |
| 02:28.24 | tharkun | ahammond: Nice, taking a further look into it. Sounds like pg admin just became a breeze ;P |
| 02:28.37 | rgr_ | Thats nice. Forget I asked then. |
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| 02:29.10 | JmZ | why the attitude? im just telling you i wrote it above |
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| 02:29.51 | rgr_ | Yes. And I said thats nice. Hint : I dont have it. |
| 02:29.56 | tharkun | JmZ: there is no attitude. Wait a little for someone that knows the answer to arrive. |
| 02:30.23 | JmZ | rgr_ you talked one message after my explanation so i assumed you saw it |
| 02:30.25 | JmZ | bad timing i guess |
| 02:30.26 | tharkun | also have you tried with the peoplea at #kvm they can offer you a hand also. And i believe some are on your time zone |
| 02:30.34 | JmZ | tried #kvm they're all idle/dead/asleep |
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| 02:30.36 | rgr_ | Then you assumed wrontg. Else I wouldnt have asked what your issue was. |
| 02:30.46 | JmZ | ok well here are the 6 lines again |
| 02:30.48 | ahammond | tharkun: doesn't solve every replication problem, but it makes a huge class of them way easier to address. |
| 02:30.54 | JmZ | [02:25] <JmZ> I run two VMs on a debian machine (using KVM on LVM volumes), i dist-upgrade'd one of the VMs, today i rebooted it (bad bad idea). It now hangs when it reaches grub2 (debian decided to chainload it after grub1) |
| 02:30.56 | gnarface | JmZ: here's some attitude for you; your problem is with KVM or PEBKAC so stop trolling Debian |
| 02:31.12 | JmZ | im not trolling debian im asking for help |
| 02:31.14 | rgr_ | gnarface: you dont know that for sure. |
| 02:31.20 | JmZ | [02:25] <JmZ> Booting *any* rescue CD results in it hanging during init |
| 02:31.29 | JmZ | [02:25] <JmZ> using the grub command line to boot directly into the OS, bypassing grub2, result in it hanging during init |
| 02:31.32 | arvind_khadri | JmZ, a moment please |
| 02:31.32 | JmZ | there rgr_ |
| 02:31.37 | gnarface | rgr_: there is almost nothing i know for sure but there is very few things i am less certain of |
| 02:31.45 | tharkun | JmZ: You do have a backup right? |
| 02:31.56 | rgr_ | oh for goodness sake. |
| 02:32.13 | JmZ | tharkun: yes but not of today, and anyway if i really want to i can probably mount the volume on the actual machine |
| 02:32.13 | rgr_ | JmZ: you might be better off in #linux. There are some real tools in here. |
| 02:32.15 | tharkun | Gentlemen cool down and stick to the isue. Else take a break |
| 02:32.29 | JmZ | rgr_ i asked there too, and #kvm and kvm's mailing list |
| 02:32.35 | JmZ | im not really getting any help |
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| 02:32.46 | gnarface | suggests kvm fail |
| 02:32.58 | gnarface | first thing i'd try is any other platform/vm/hardware at all |
| 02:33.10 | JmZ | i run a vm on the same machine, it works fine |
| 02:33.18 | JmZ | it is only this vm, after a dist-upgrade |
| 02:33.23 | tharkun | JmZ: I would take a copy of the vps and mount it on an actual machine, but i would not move the one that is having the isue |
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| 02:33.58 | tharkun | JmZ: We are talking about saving the information on the vps and putting an other instance to run right? |
| 02:34.20 | rgr_ | you you referring to it freezing after your access your HD grub via the rescue cd? |
| 02:34.28 | JmZ | tharkun: well I was talking about getting it to boot into anything at least |
| 02:34.45 | tharkun | JmZ: tried chrooting into it? |
| 02:34.54 | rgr_ | oh rats, irssi in xterm/tmux is hosed again brb |
| 02:35.09 | JmZ | tharkun: into a kvm instance? |
| 02:35.18 | JmZ | you can't |
| 02:35.19 | rgr | aha, two sessions. |
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| 02:35.38 | tharkun | JmZ: why not have you tried it? |
| 02:35.50 | JmZ | rgr: it freezes at a different point during init for each live CD and the OS |
| 02:36.39 | JmZ | tharkun: i dont understand, you can't chroot into a partition on an LVM volume |
| 02:36.48 | rgr | I'm sorry but I dont understand you. What is freeting? Thve live cd? What? |
| 02:36.50 | JmZ | you can't even mount it so easily |
| 02:37.14 | JmZ | rgr: whatever i try boot into, freezes, debian CD, debian on HDD, any live CD |
| 02:37.20 | rgr | goddam it my terminal is eating up responses. I need to log in with erc. |
| 02:37.27 | rgr | e.g just lsot your last reply |
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| 02:37.39 | tharkun | JmZ: Well. let me do some experiments through ssh and if i am successfull i'll call you back. |
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| 02:38.17 | JmZ | tharkun: its a LVM volume containing partitions, you'd be trying to mount the volume, not the partition, it won't work |
| 02:38.21 | tharkun | JmZ: backup the cow image and try restoring a previous one. |
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| 02:39.20 | JmZ | i just need to boot into it thats all |
| 02:39.23 | JmZ | or boot into anythin |
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| 02:39.25 | JmZ | *anything |
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| 02:39.41 | JmZ | or at least get an error |
| 02:39.56 | rudepeople | good afternoon gentlemen... I have a problem with a launcher... Google-chrome to be exact. It's installed, but the launcher has disappeared! I reinstalled it, and the launcher is then DOUBLED! and if I reboot, BOTH launchers disappear again! any ideas? (Oh, and BTW, I can still launch it from terminal so I know it's still there, just the launcher keeps playing hide 'n seek on me) |
| 02:40.38 | tharkun | JmZ: try to rest half an hour so you settle what has happened and the solution will arrive by itself. Loose some stress noone is going to kill you because of thiss |
| 02:40.43 | rudepeople | Oh, also, if I create a new launcher without reinstalling, the same problem with the doubling launchers and both vanish on reboot... |
| 02:40.50 | rgr | lol, icons and Linux desktops simply dont work reliably . Same happens on my Gnome Squeeze system. |
| 02:41.14 | amphi | icons are repulsive |
| 02:41.27 | rudepeople | rgr: hilarious really... but sometimes... I'm in a hurry to get to my nerdy pics. |
| 02:41.33 | rgr | JmZ: so the main machine wont boot? (I AM sorry, but irssi ate all your replies). Or just your VMs? |
| 02:42.11 | JmZ | tharkun: losing 10,000 visitors and having google replace all indexed pages with error ones is why i need to fix it now |
| 02:42.23 | JmZ | rgr: one VM will not boot |
| 02:42.25 | rgr | Can you really not boot your HW to a live DVD? |
| 02:42.30 | rgr | Aha I see. |
| 02:42.36 | JmZ | rgr: the other VM loads fine, the physical system is fine |
| 02:42.44 | JmZ | just a specific VM after a dist-upgrade |
| 02:42.45 | rgr | And that VM has its own Grub? |
| 02:42.48 | JmZ | yes |
| 02:42.55 | rgr | Debian? |
| 02:43.37 | JmZ | yes |
| 02:43.45 | rgr | And I bet the installation in the VM is spread over multiple partitions in that VM right? |
| 02:43.53 | JmZ | exactly |
| 02:43.55 | rudepeople | JmZ: what VM are you using, Vmware? Virtualbox? Xen? what? |
| 02:43.59 | JmZ | kvm |
| 02:43.59 | tharkun | JmZ: as i told you before if time is pressing restore the backup of the whole vps. it shouldn't be a problem. That is one reason why you have it right? |
| 02:44.10 | JmZ | libvirt/kvm |
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| 02:44.51 | JmZ | tharkun: the last backup is missing vast amounts of data created in the past 24h so i'd rather just somehow fix it |
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| 02:46.04 | rgr | yeah welcome to dist-upgrade and grub crap. I had the same NOT in a VM. Something changed in grub2 meaning all partitions had to have grub installed in the mbr or whatever the hell its called. I cant pretend to understand it all, I know I found a solution and used supergrub to do something. This was about 6 months ago. i wish I could comfort you more. But I cant see how you would access a VM on an LVM using a rescue CD. It sounds |
| 02:46.04 | rgr | hellishly bad news to me. |
| 02:46.43 | tharkun | JmZ: What costs you more, to have the server down or to restore the data. Whatever the answer is how you should proceed. If you cannot add the data later after minning it from your dead vps you are in trouble |
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| 02:47.06 | rgr | I'm intrigued why you seem to keen to get him to restore rather than to fix it. |
| 02:47.42 | tharkun | rgr: because it is easier to have some pressure off for a couple of hours, move the vps to another working machine and mine the data out of it |
| 02:47.58 | JmZ | rgr: yeah well when i boot from any rescue CD it will just hang |
| 02:47.59 | rgr | depends on what "mining the data" entails. |
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| 02:48.04 | tharkun | Whenever you are sleep deprived you are prone to fubaring things more |
| 02:48.08 | rgr | of course |
| 02:48.14 | rgr | JmZ: what hangs? |
| 02:48.22 | JmZ | any rescue CD at init |
| 02:48.26 | rgr | The rescue CD hangs? |
| 02:48.29 | JmZ | just like the OS on the HDD |
| 02:48.34 | rgr | Huh? |
| 02:48.36 | tharkun | Good luck got to leave the office now |
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| 02:48.53 | rgr | So nothing to do with the VM, the rescue CD hangs? |
| 02:49.05 | JmZ | rgr: if i boot into debian from the HDD, it hangs during init. If I boot from a CD (any linux distro), it will also hang at init, or any loading screen |
| 02:49.14 | JmZ | the rescue CD being virtual here, inside the VM |
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| 02:49.22 | JmZ | it is actually an ISO on the physical machine |
| 02:49.25 | rgr | I see |
| 02:49.49 | rgr | can you get to a grub command line on the VM? |
| 02:50.04 | JmZ | yeah i have one up now |
| 02:50.13 | JmZ | but ls is an unrecognised command somehow |
| 02:50.15 | rgr | then google up how to update grub on all partitions |
| 02:50.18 | JmZ | even though it worked before |
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| 02:50.33 | rgr | my own experience of LVMs and VMS tells me you're fucked. |
| 02:50.42 | rgr | excuse the language meant to "ek" it. |
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| 02:51.46 | rgr | I had an amazing situation recently with LVM with debian. I set it up to disk mirror. And the bloody thing mirrored the system across both disks. How ridiculous was that?! |
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| 02:52.11 | rgr | Never figured out how that got configured. |
| 02:52.35 | wip | almost done with packaging (.deb) my own application. i have all those dependencies for my application: http://pastebin.com/aTqQEciF (objdump -p ./myapp | grep NEEDED) do i need to list all (and how) in control depends |
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| 02:53.03 | rudepeople | JmZ: did you do a kernel update (or even a dkms update) in the Host OS before this happened? |
| 02:53.32 | JmZ | no only in the VM |
| 02:53.50 | JmZ | a dist-upgrade was run, which has resulted in this |
| 02:54.01 | rudepeople | you're sure you did not run dkms... ok, do you have any modules that use dkms on load?\ |
| 02:54.19 | wip | for example: libgmodule-2.0.so.0 how i found write it in my control file: Depends:Â libgmodule-2.0 Depends:Â libgmodule-2.0.so.0 |
| 02:55.31 | JmZ | mhm |
| 02:55.44 | JmZ | rudepeople: doubt it i guess, i dont know, if it doesn't by default then no |
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| 02:56.07 | JmZ | can someone tell me how to boot a specific image using grub legacy command line |
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| 02:56.17 | JmZ | im pretty tired i cant remember |
| 02:56.51 | iceyp | heya |
| 02:58.23 | iceyp | I'm trying to work out why net-snmp exec functions wont work... I've tried creating an OID but for the life of me cant get it to work. I've tested with both apt-get version and via source install and on 2 different boxes... I have it running on an old version of debian / net-snmp fine |
| 02:58.32 | iceyp | has anyone worked with exec function of snmpd.conf ? |
| 02:58.40 | rudepeople | I have to go, but I suspect you have either an orphaned LVM partition which is messing up your partition order, OR you have a kernel module change to your HOST kernel that is messing with KVM and preventing it from correctly identifying the LVM. I had this in a Host install with an areca 1280 controller. I ended up booting to a live dist disk and running fsck on the LVM. It found problems and fixed them. if you cant get the VM to boot to a live |
| 02:58.40 | rudepeople | distro, you're looking at a grub reinstall. |
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| 02:59.14 | JmZ | rudepeople: i wanted to do an fsck but i cant boot into anything to get that ability |
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| 03:00.24 | rudepeople | KVM can mount dist iso's... or is your kvm build unable to do this? |
| 03:00.34 | JmZ | sure it can |
| 03:00.41 | JmZ | but they all hang during init/loading |
| 03:00.49 | JmZ | that's part of the problem im having |
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| 03:02.21 | rudepeople | ?!? your VM is damaged. |
| 03:03.00 | JmZ | even if it is, I need to somehow fix it so i guess that's my question now |
| 03:03.12 | gnarface | rudepeople: hint: he came here to bitch about debian because nobody in #kvm was available to help him with his kvm problem |
| 03:03.35 | rudepeople | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:03.39 | JmZ | no i came here for help because #kvm was dead, gnarface |
| 03:03.41 | rudepeople | gnarface: meh |
| 03:03.50 | JmZ | debian is my favourite distro... |
| 03:04.10 | rudepeople | he sounds genuinly frusterated, which is easy to confuse for trolling. |
| 03:04.15 | JmZ | rudepeople: it doesn't use a file, it uses a partition |
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| 03:04.24 | JmZ | LVM |
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| 03:04.57 | Guest24757 | echo $(cat ../server*/banned-players.txt | uniq) > banned-players.txt // trying to combine 3 files into one but they lose the newlines, why? |
| 03:04.58 | rudepeople | JmZ: seriously, find your HDD storage file, move/copy it away from the VM, blow it away and create a new one, move the MV HDD back and retry booting to iso. if that fails, nuke and pave is your only option anyone here can suggest. |
| 03:05.06 | JmZ | its a partition, not a file |
| 03:05.29 | rudepeople | JmZ, fix is the same. just more complicated. |
| 03:05.36 | JmZ | a partition containing VM partitions |
| 03:05.41 | JmZ | which makes it quite hard to mount |
| 03:05.46 | rudepeople | you need to destroy the Virtual MACHINE, not the HDD it relies on. |
| 03:05.59 | JmZ | i know |
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| 03:06.10 | JmZ | i just wish it gave an error |
| 03:06.28 | JmZ | it hangs without any error at all, that's the most frustrating part |
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| 03:06.47 | rudepeople | JmZ, that's all I can suggest. my expertise is in Virtualbox and Vmware. qemu and kvm (both related to xen) are too low level for me. |
| 03:07.16 | gnarface | Guest24757: that's a basic shell question not to do with debian. go ask in #linux (or, since that's a steam game file you're referring to, the appropriate channel for said game) |
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| 03:07.48 | Guest24757 | its not a steam game lol |
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| 03:08.07 | gnarface | oh it's not? what is it then? |
| 03:08.26 | Guest24757 | minecraft |
| 03:08.46 | gnarface | great well the problem i'm guessing (just guessing) has something to do with you having windows newlines in the file |
| 03:08.59 | gnarface | but i'm just guessing and that's offtopic for #debian anyway |
| 03:09.05 | simonrvn | they're called carriage returns |
| 03:09.11 | Guest24757 | no this is linux |
| 03:09.21 | Guest24757 | files never been on windows |
| 03:09.43 | Dewi | Guest24757: putting $() around things will collapse whitespace, don't do that |
| 03:09.53 | Dewi | Guest24757: cat ../server*/banned-players.txt | uniq > banned-players.txt |
| 03:10.23 | gnarface | Dewi++ for unnecessarily charitable behavior |
| 03:10.28 | Dewi | simonrvn: carriage return's only the first byte |
| 03:10.42 | JmZ | OH OH |
| 03:10.43 | simonrvn | EPARSE |
| 03:10.47 | Dewi | laughs. |
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| 03:11.24 | simonrvn | BOM maybe, but not CR |
| 03:11.25 | JmZ | lol |
| 03:11.30 | JmZ | well i somehow booted into busybox |
| 03:11.34 | simonrvn | s,maybe,is, |
| 03:11.43 | JmZ | at least i booted into SOMETHING |
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| 03:12.29 | Dewi | simonrvn: are you talking about some really old DOS implementation? |
| 03:12.57 | Guest24757 | ty Dewi |
| 03:13.13 | simonrvn | uh, no |
| 03:13.16 | iceyp | anyone here experienced in exec function of snmpd? |
| 03:13.16 | Dewi | simonrvn: wikipedia says that's "Commodore 8-bit machines, TRS-80, Apple II family, Mac OS up to version 9 and OS-9", heh |
| 03:13.43 | simonrvn | BOM occurs at the beginning of the file; CRs occur with LFs |
| 03:13.54 | simonrvn | with windows anyway |
| 03:14.00 | dvs | in ms-dos |
| 03:14.04 | Dewi | simonrvn: oh right, you misunderstand me. I meant CR comes before LF |
| 03:14.07 | dvs | that too |
| 03:14.27 | simonrvn | iceyp: i've tried it, somehow it never worked for me |
| 03:15.00 | Dewi | simonrvn: I was actually trawling through old RFCs last night looking at the history, found this gem in RFC 15: "Editor's note: <CR> has been used in this document to indicate end-of-line, in place of the original handwritten arrows" |
| 03:15.11 | simonrvn | i suspect it has to do with permissions |
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| 03:15.21 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 03:15.21 | iceyp | simonrvn thaks... it works for old version of net-snmpd on a old debian box i have but not any of the new boxens |
| 03:15.24 | iceyp | yeah agreed |
| 03:15.38 | simonrvn | snmpd runs as snmp, not root |
| 03:15.49 | iceyp | correct |
| 03:15.52 | JmZ | man |
| 03:15.58 | iceyp | but the command I'm executing is just a mysql query |
| 03:16.02 | JmZ | if busybox had fsck i could've run it on my disks |
| 03:16.11 | simonrvn | boxen is already plural ;) |
| 03:16.15 | iceyp | even if i run 'id' it doesnt get a result, i wonder if user snmp needs a shell |
| 03:16.22 | JmZ | rudepeople: im booted into busybox somehow but its not of much use |
| 03:16.24 | JmZ | better than nothing |
| 03:16.32 | simonrvn | check it; getent passwd snmp |
| 03:17.27 | iceyp | snmp:x:105:65534::/var/lib/snmp:/bin/false |
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| 03:18.03 | simonrvn | ah /bin/false as shell ;) |
| 03:18.04 | iceyp | ahh hthe box it works on has bin bash |
| 03:18.22 | iceyp | whats the best way to modify shell? |
| 03:18.25 | iceyp | cant remember :P |
| 03:18.33 | simonrvn | vipw or chsh |
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| 03:21.43 | nvz | I found a neat little app I really like and I got the source but strangely it has no lisc info at all |
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| 03:22.12 | nvz | trying to find out what the deal is.. would be a neat addition to debian IMHO |
| 03:22.45 | nvz | contacted the author.. he's giving it for download in a zip file but none of the source or anything has any copyright info |
| 03:23.08 | rudepeople | JmZ, I'm not too familliar with busybox... does it support LVM? if so, run fsck on that beast!!! |
| 03:23.22 | nvz | didn't realize I was in #d haha |
| 03:23.59 | iceyp | simonrvn doesnt seem to be the issue, set a shell but still doesnt give id or the result I want for the oid's must be permissions in snmpd.conf or something |
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| 03:24.43 | simonrvn | something |
| 03:26.30 | JmZ | rudepeople: it has no fsck |
| 03:26.31 | JmZ | lol |
| 03:26.45 | JmZ | it wont even let me mount the devices |
| 03:27.31 | rudepeople | JmZ, well THAT blows... my next suggestion, time to try VirtualBox... it plays nice with others! |
| 03:28.11 | JmZ | rudepeople: busybox seems to be running from memory or something, any ISOs i mount hang |
| 03:28.20 | JmZ | busybox is on the HDD |
| 03:29.34 | rudepeople | JmZ, I got nothing else for you, I'm sorry man. but it looks like your VM is toast... perhapse a more intelegent person than I might be able to recover it... but really? what is on that VM that makes it so dang irreplacable? is it a work VM? |
| 03:30.17 | JmZ | rudepeople: a 6 million row database, of which 4 mil were inserted in the past 24h = the last backup doesn't contain them |
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| 03:31.55 | Eko | My server has two interfaces, one with a static IP configured via /etc/networking/interfaces and the other with a DHCP-configured IP address. How do I configure dhcp3-client to only run automatically for the dynamic interface? |
| 03:31.57 | dondelelcaro | JmZ: could you summarize the current status of what happened and what you're trying to do? [just so I can catch up] |
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| 03:32.28 | ahammond | Eko: check out man interfaces |
| 03:32.29 | dondelelcaro | Eko: add a stanza which has iface foo inet dhcp |
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| 03:32.34 | dondelelcaro | Eko: man 5 interfaces; for details |
| 03:33.16 | ahammond | I'm having difficulties getting nfs to automount home directories. What are good first-steps for debugging please? |
| 03:33.18 | JmZ | dondelelcaro: server running KVM on LVM volumes, one had a dist-upgrade in debian run and now hangs at grub2. Booting into the debian CD hangs during init, same for booting into the OS on the HDD and any other live CD. Busybox loaded fine somehow, from HDD. |
| 03:33.41 | Eko | dondelelcaro: ahammond: I have that stanza. I should have specified: dhcp3-client is starting instances for BOTH interfaces, and after a few hours kills the static IP with a dynamic one. I ONLY want it to start an instance for the dynamic one. |
| 03:34.09 | dondelelcaro | Eko: if dhcp3-client is started by /etc/network/interfaces, and you haven't changed the client configuration, it passes the interface to dhcp3-client. |
| 03:34.31 | dondelelcaro | s/dhcp3-client/dhclient/ |
| 03:35.12 | ahammond | Eko: so, you should have two stanzas. One that declares dhcp and another that declares static |
| 03:35.19 | JmZ | dondelelcaro: so any ideas? everyone else is out of them, including me |
| 03:35.19 | Eko | ahammond: I do. |
| 03:35.23 | JmZ | been at this 6 hours now |
| 03:35.30 | JmZ | i dont know what to do anymore |
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| 03:35.33 | ahammond | Eko: try adding hwaddrs to them? |
| 03:35.54 | ahammond | hasn't done linux admin in a few years and it really shows... |
| 03:36.00 | Eko | ahammond: why would that help? It clearly starts two distinct instances of dhclient3 one for each inteface. |
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| 03:36.20 | Eko | It's got them mapped correctly; on boot and on networking restart, it does the right thing |
| 03:36.22 | ahammond | Eko: I'm wondering if there's confusion about which stanza applies to which interface. |
| 03:36.33 | dondelelcaro | Eko: can you show us your interfaces file really quickly? |
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| 03:36.48 | dondelelcaro | JmZ: where does grub2 hang? which busybox is this? can you mount anything? |
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| 03:37.23 | JmZ | dondelelcaro: debian seems to have made grub1 chainload grub2, as soon as it reaches grub2 it seems to just stop without error |
| 03:37.47 | JmZ | dondelelcaro: busybox, i dont know, i got into the grub command line and booted vmlinuz.old/initrd.old = busybox |
| 03:37.48 | dondelelcaro | JmZ: ok; you should be able to use the working grub1 to start without grub2 |
| 03:38.04 | Eko | http://pastie.org/1645958 |
| 03:38.08 | JmZ | i tried but it hangs during init like i said |
| 03:38.17 | dondelelcaro | JmZ: where does it hang in init? |
| 03:38.20 | un214 | I never had good luck with grub |
| 03:38.38 | un214 | they try init=/bin/sh |
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| 03:39.37 | JmZ | dondelelcaro: heres grub hanging freakishly: http://gyazo.com/d1b79dd6591e689198f52472c6e14192.png |
| 03:39.44 | JmZ | dondelelcaro: ignore the font i cant explain that |
| 03:40.22 | dondelelcaro | JmZ: can you type in at that point? it looks like the grub configuration is bad... |
| 03:40.34 | Eko | dondelelcaro: did you see the pastie? http://pastie.org/1645958 |
| 03:40.41 | dondelelcaro | Eko: yeah, that looks fine. |
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| 03:40.53 | Eko | That's why I'm asking here :-P |
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| 03:41.03 | Eko | Because I've done the research and it all says it's configured correctly. |
| 03:41.15 | dondelelcaro | Eko: do you know what is starting the other dhclient conf |
| 03:41.17 | Eko | The most help I've found online is "uninstall dhcp3-client." |
| 03:41.25 | JmZ | dondelelcaro: no |
| 03:41.39 | Eko | dondelelcaro: absolutely no clue. |
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| 03:41.57 | Eko | they have adjacent PIDs, so I can only assume the same thing that starts the proper one |
| 03:41.58 | dondelelcaro | Eko: ok; what happens when you bring down the dhcp interface? |
| 03:42.08 | dondelelcaro | Eko: do both clients get killed off? |
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| 03:43.28 | ahammond | how can I find out if my kernel support autofs / nfs? |
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| 03:44.28 | JmZ | dondelelcaro: im seeing where it stops now |
| 03:44.31 | dondelelcaro | JmZ: cool |
| 03:44.46 | un214 | mount -t nfs |
| 03:45.04 | dondelelcaro | ahammond: if it's a debian kernel, it does. alternatively, look at the configuration. |
| 03:45.17 | Eko | dondelelcaro: nope, only the one for the dynamic interface (eth0) |
| 03:45.42 | dondelelcaro | Eko: ok; kill off the other one |
| 03:45.57 | Eko | okay. |
| 03:45.58 | dondelelcaro | Eko: and then try ifup eth0; |
| 03:46.09 | Eko | ifup on both and it's not there. |
| 03:46.17 | Eko | (after killing it) |
| 03:46.17 | JmZ | dondelelcaro: here: http://gyazo.com/05216643a840aa6675ba544d9d462c2e.png |
| 03:46.23 | dondelelcaro | Eko: so you only see a single dhcp3-client, right? |
| 03:46.26 | Eko | I guess I'll be back if it shows up again. |
| 03:46.28 | Eko | dondelelcaro: yep. |
| 03:46.33 | ahammond | dondelelcaro: it's a deb kernel. ok, what should I look at next? syslog says "wrong fs type, bad option, ..." |
| 03:46.47 | dondelelcaro | ahammond: what is the exact mount command that you are running? |
| 03:47.06 | ahammond | I'm trying to use autofs to mount /home/* |
| 03:47.21 | ahammond | * -fstype=nfs dev01:/home/& |
| 03:47.22 | dondelelcaro | Eko: yerp; feel free to come back... the procedure for tracking it down is far more complicated, but it can still be worked out. |
| 03:47.51 | JmZ | dondelelcaro: did you look |
| 03:48.09 | JmZ | im sorry but i've been here several hours so im just trying my best to finish this |
| 03:48.21 | dondelelcaro | JmZ: yes; is this a kernel that you know used to work? have you upgraded the kernel that the host kvm itself is running? |
| 03:48.42 | JmZ | no like i said earlier dist-upgrade has been run, it is a new kernel |
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| 03:48.51 | dondelelcaro | JmZ: ok; do you still have the old kernel? |
| 03:48.56 | JmZ | the physical machine hasn't changed either |
| 03:48.58 | JmZ | only the kvm |
| 03:49.04 | ahammond | auto.master: /home /etc/auto.home |
| 03:49.17 | JmZ | dondelelcaro: well i didnt remove it, so unless debian removed it i should |
| 03:49.35 | dondelelcaro | JmZ: see if you can boot from that for the time being just to make sure that you have a fall back point |
| 03:49.56 | dondelelcaro | JmZ: also, has the underlying physical machine which is running the KVM had its kernel upgraded? |
| 03:50.51 | JmZ | no i said that above |
| 03:51.08 | dondelelcaro | JmZ: hrm; ok... that may be something else to try too if it's a really old kernel |
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| 03:52.41 | Eko | dondelelcaro: it's entirely possible that that's left over from the first time I booted the server before I got the static IP address and I haven't actually killed it. I have a tendency to killall dhclient instead of dhclient3, so it could be PEBKAC. |
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| 03:52.51 | dondelelcaro | Eko: ah, yeah, possible. |
| 03:53.00 | bonjoyee | how to backup only the installed packages from apt cache? |
| 03:53.11 | dondelelcaro | bonjoyee: apt-get autoclean; |
| 03:53.45 | bonjoyee | dondelelcaro: that don't work as expected...tried it many times... |
| 03:54.07 | mrdebuntu | what's the difference between autoclean and clean all? |
| 03:54.25 | ahammond | damn. I didn't have nfs-common etc installed. Rough upgrade... |
| 03:54.51 | ahammond | now I'm failing because server says permission denied. |
| 03:54.52 | JmZ | dondelelcaro: i managed to boot into the previous kernel, that is a very troublesome task when interacting with the server through VNC over X -_- |
| 03:54.54 | dondelelcaro | mrdebuntu: see the manpage; they explain the difference |
| 03:55.04 | dondelelcaro | JmZ: yeah... that's why I use serial terminals for this sort of thing |
| 03:55.16 | JmZ | dondelelcaro: I couldn't though |
| 03:55.28 | JmZ | since its a VM and for some reason the console doesn't work |
| 03:55.41 | dondelelcaro | JmZ: huh; that's really weird. it does for me using kvm... |
| 03:55.53 | JmZ | im using virsh/libvirt |
| 03:55.54 | dondelelcaro | but I have grub and everything configured properly to use it |
| 03:55.56 | mrdebuntu | one cleans the user files |
| 03:56.02 | JmZ | when i run 'console whatever' it hangs |
| 03:56.04 | dondelelcaro | mrdebuntu: no, that's not what they do. |
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| 03:56.12 | dondelelcaro | JmZ: yerp, using that too |
| 03:56.25 | JmZ | dondelelcaro: never been able to figure it out |
| 03:58.53 | dondelelcaro | JmZ: you probably don't have the serial console set up then... do you have a TO:23:respawn:blah blah on ttyS0? and an appropriate console= argument to the kernel? |
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| 03:59.29 | dondelelcaro | (if you don't, the console will just sit there, because there's nothing connected) |
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| 03:59.36 | JmZ | hmm |
| 03:59.39 | dondelelcaro | you also have to have grub configured to use the serial console |
| 03:59.51 | JmZ | i dont know ill figure it out another time |
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| 03:59.56 | dondelelcaro | yerp |
| 04:00.04 | JmZ | i got the VM to boot |
| 04:00.09 | JmZ | but now... 502s everywhere |
| 04:00.10 | JmZ | yay |
| 04:00.12 | dvs | yay |
| 04:00.31 | aleray | Hi I have run `apt-get install build-essential libmozjs-dev libicu-dev libcurl4-openssl-dev erlang` how can I revert this and uninstall what I have installed? |
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| 04:01.07 | simonrvn | apt-get --purge remove foo bar ? |
| 04:01.11 | simonrvn | man apt-get |
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| 04:01.48 | dondelelcaro | aleray: you can look at what you've recently installed in /var/log/apt/history.log |
| 04:02.28 | dondelelcaro | you could also do complicated things with aptitude, but it's slightly more difficult (and won't necessarily end up in the same state as it was previously) |
| 04:03.30 | dondelelcaro | JmZ: cool; I'd try to get the serial console working, but now that you at least have it working, you can figure out what went wrong at your leisure |
| 04:03.40 | aleray | donatilo_, thanks |
| 04:03.50 | dondelelcaro | np |
| 04:04.20 | Devastator | oh well.. |
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| 04:10.15 | mrdebuntu | does debian 6 contain the kernel headers by default necessary to compile broadcom sta? |
| 04:10.23 | mrdebuntu | with no net connection |
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| 04:11.31 | guilek | mrdebuntu: they should be on the 1st cd |
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| 04:12.04 | mrdebuntu | thanks |
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| 04:12.11 | mrdebuntu | i am thinking of installing this on a netbook |
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| 04:23.23 | iceyp | how can I snmpget just this one value / OID |
| 04:24.09 | iceyp | I'm guessing I can use UCD-SNMP-MIB::extOutput.1 but i dont know what this oid is and cant find it |
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| 04:25.35 | iceyp | think i found it ;) |
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| 04:51.44 | danblick | Hi all. I'm wondering, am I likely to have a race condition in my "interfaces" file if I add an IP address to one interface and use that IP address when adding a rule to another interface? http://pastie.org/1646077 |
| 04:53.19 | danblick | I'm using racoon/setkey to set up an IPsec VPN here. Today I restarted a machine and this broke; I had to fix it by manually adding the route, which was missing ("ip route add 192.168.16.0/24 dev eth0 src 192.168.12.1"). |
| 04:53.39 | arex\ | How do I get Firefox on Debian? |
| 04:53.51 | optraz | hello, i understand that we can append -config to the openssl parameter during generating a csr. but what i really want is that, openssl would take the value from cnf file and use that instead of asking the user. |
| 04:54.00 | optraz | arex\: apt-get install firefox |
| 04:54.23 | arex\ | optraz: E: Package 'firefox' has no installation candidate |
| 04:55.11 | optraz | arex\: you can search for firefox or iceweasel |
| 04:55.15 | arex\ | These are my sources if it helps http://pastie.org/1646083 |
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| 04:57.10 | danblick | optraz: as I recall, you can avoid prompts completely if you put enough information in the config files. do you have the manpage for "req"? i think you might find what you're looking for in the examples section |
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| 04:57.58 | danblick | (under "Sample configuration containing all field values:") |
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| 04:58.46 | optraz | danblick: ok, got it thank you |
| 04:58.50 | optraz | checking.. |
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| 05:00.04 | bonjoyee | i can only get VBox 4.0.2* in squeeze when the latest is 4.0.4* : why? |
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| 05:01.57 | DrDub | bonjoyee: you're welcome to help package a newer version, but most probably it'll end up in wheezy not in squeeze |
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| 05:08.33 | Rusty1 | bonjoyee: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads |
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| 05:12.33 | dondelelcaro | bonjoyee: the lastest is in sid; at some point in the future, a backport to squeeze may be made |
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| 05:25.48 | bonjoyee | DrDub: dondelelcaro : i have added the vbox repo to squeeze..i am not talking about the official debian repos... |
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| 05:34.11 | arex\ | firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 05:34.13 | arex\ | Any ideas? |
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| 05:45.01 | Devastator | arex\ do you have libxul installed? |
| 05:45.34 | arex\ | I don't know what it is - I can see the file libxul.so exists in the firefox dir |
| 05:46.13 | WormFood | "hfs: Filesystem was not cleanly unmounted, running fsck.hfsplus is recommended. mounting read-only." <-- is "hpfsck" (from package "hfsplus") the debian name for fsck.hfsplus? |
| 05:46.35 | arex\ | Devastator: i also can't find any libxul package for debian...? |
| 05:47.17 | Devastator | arex\ then i don't know, but i guess google would help you |
| 05:49.17 | Devastator | arex\ are you running iceape browser? |
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| 05:50.20 | arex\ | Devastator: no |
| 05:50.35 | Devastator | http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=squeeze&arch=any&mode=exactfilename&searchon=contents&keywords=libxul.so |
| 05:51.01 | arex\ | should I install it? |
| 05:51.14 | Devastator | well, try to install xulrunner-1.9.1 |
| 05:51.20 | arex\ | i already tried that |
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| 05:51.57 | Devastator | can you see if there's libxul.so inside /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.1/? |
| 05:52.07 | arex\ | there's a libxul.so in the firefox dir |
| 05:52.21 | Devastator | try to copy it to /usr/lib/ |
| 05:52.31 | Devastator | and test |
| 05:52.38 | arex\ | Devastator: the xulrunner one or the firefox one? |
| 05:52.46 | Devastator | firefox one |
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| 05:53.31 | arex\ | cp libxul.so /usr/lib/ |
| 05:53.36 | arex\ | firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libmozjs.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 05:53.37 | Arrowmaster | wait where exactly are you seeing libxul.so at? |
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| 05:54.56 | Arrowmaster | you are using iceweasel right? |
| 05:57.16 | arex\ | no |
| 05:57.21 | arex\ | i downloaded firefox from the website |
| 05:57.35 | arex\ | i need firefox specifically |
| 05:57.59 | nevyn | hates firefox for making this whole trademark play it's most annoying. |
| 05:58.01 | bonjoyee | arex\: how do you run firefox? |
| 05:58.26 | arex\ | well, i use phpunit and selenium to run firefox.. it starts by using firefox-bin |
| 05:58.40 | Arrowmaster | thats probably exactly why this is failing |
| 05:58.46 | Devastator | oh, so you compiled firefox yourself, right? |
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| 05:58.52 | arex\ | no |
| 05:58.54 | Arrowmaster | you need to run it using the shell script wrapper |
| 05:59.15 | bonjoyee | arex\: i put firefox in /opt/ and then create link at /usr/bin/firefox using update-alternatives |
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| 06:00.44 | bonjoyee | arex\: also try starting firefox using firefox instead of the firefox-bin...the earlier one is a shell script that sets the environment.. |
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| 06:41.27 | hunterp | what is the cheapest internet to sms bridge |
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| 06:49.27 | ElDiabolo | Does anybody know if it is possible to configure spamfilters that match on multiple identical mails? |
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| 06:52.37 | Bushmills | ElDiabolo: like, calling a script for incoiming emails which hashes their bodies, and compares against a cache of earlier hashes? |
| 06:54.43 | ElDiabolo | Bushmills, Yeah, I have email alisase jz-2005@..,jz-2011@ and spam tends to go to multiple aiases. |
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| 06:55.25 | ElDiabolo | Bushmills, spamassasin is doing a good job so far, but some still get through |
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| 06:56.05 | Bushmills | the mere fact that it is possible to describe a way to configure that indicates that there is a possibility. so i think your question could be answered "yes" |
| 06:56.24 | Bushmills | but where does spamassassin come into play? |
| 06:56.41 | Bushmills | ah. on top of it |
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| 06:56.59 | [gnubie] | waves |
| 06:57.08 | Bushmills | there's one problem though: before being able to hash, you need the whole email |
| 06:57.33 | [gnubie] | any munin users here? is it possible to have a single page that shows the different stacks of different groups? |
| 06:57.36 | Bushmills | best is to not even accept mails |
| 06:57.37 | [gnubie] | i grouped each project and for each group, it comes with a stack of apache hits.. i have 3 groups(or projects) which i want to create a page (or group) that will show only the stacks from the 3 groups. is this possible? |
| 06:58.25 | Bushmills | [gnubie]: "different stacks"? |
| 06:58.38 | Bushmills | last time i looked, groups were just a single list |
| 07:00.02 | [gnubie] | Bushmills: aggregated |
| 07:00.23 | Bushmills | of several servers? |
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| 07:01.56 | [gnubie] | Bushmills: for example, each group or project has 5 apache running on each own servers.. then, if i have 3 projects, i will group them as projA, projB and projC where each projX has an apache stacks of 5 servers |
| 07:02.17 | Bushmills | if you can express something in numbers, munin can graph it |
| 07:02.45 | [gnubie] | projA = a1, a2, a3, a4, a5 |
| 07:02.49 | [gnubie] | projB = a1, a2, a3, a4, a5 |
| 07:02.53 | [gnubie] | projC = a1, a2, a3, a4, a5 |
| 07:03.10 | [gnubie] | overall_stacks = projA, projB, projC |
| 07:03.28 | [gnubie] | and i want to have a new page or group of "overall_stacks" |
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| 07:04.04 | Bushmills | writing a munin plugin is piece of cake |
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| 07:07.02 | [gnubie] | Bushmills: that's the last option. but there might be a native way of doing this via its own configurations |
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| 07:07.35 | Bushmills | there is no "own configuration", but there are plugins written by others |
| 07:08.13 | Bushmills | all data acquisition of its graphs come from plugins |
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| 07:09.36 | Bushmills | if you have relatively specific graphing needs, you usually have to provide your own plugin |
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| 07:24.44 | alu | Why are there so many DVDs ? What's their order : From less useful (DVD1) to entirely useless (DVD8) ? |
| 07:25.39 | alu | hem, debian 6.0.0 DVDs I mean. |
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| 07:26.36 | alu | s/less/more/ |
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| 07:37.05 | erAbuelo | buenos dias |
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| 07:51.48 | [gnubie] | Bushmills: ok then. thanks. ;) |
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| 08:13.59 | MaxFrames | I need to troubleshoot an openvpn setup (debian lenny as the openvpn server) |
| 08:14.24 | MaxFrames | I had to enable NAT on the openvpn server because I can't set a return route on the server lan's gateway |
| 08:14.52 | MaxFrames | I am trying to connect to a machine on the server LAN from an openvpn client, but I am failing |
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| 08:15.54 | MaxFrames | I can ping the remote machine, and the traffic to the remote machine is being correctly routed through the openvpn server, but when I try to connect to the remote machine (remote desktop and windows networking) the remote machine is seeing no connection attempts at all |
| 08:16.05 | MaxFrames | (I am logging incoming traffic) |
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| 08:16.53 | MaxFrames | I think it may be an issue with my debian configuration rather than with openvpn, so I'm asking here |
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| 08:17.36 | MaxFrames | what can cause the debian machine to natroute the ping requests but not other protocols? |
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| 08:26.37 | bonjoyee | i have added virtualbox repo to squeeze, but after doing "aptitude update" i don't yet see the latest 4.0.4, only 4.0.2...how could this be? |
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| 08:29.37 | MrWGW- | hey there, where can I download an iso of 5.0? |
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| 08:29.47 | MrWGW- | I need Debian 5 specifically; its not in the archive and I can't find ISO images of it on any of the mirrors |
| 08:29.56 | Nightmeister | anywhere ) |
| 08:30.01 | Nightmeister | ou |
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| 08:31.12 | MrWGW- | Nightmeister: I fear not anywhere; its not on cdimage.debian.org for example |
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| 08:32.28 | Nightmeister | we find him, don't worry ) |
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| 08:33.01 | bonjoyee | ok..some progress.. apt-get update gets this error "W: Failed to fetch http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/dists/squeeze/contrib/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch" |
| 08:33.47 | MrWGW- | Nightmeister: > |
| 08:33.48 | MrWGW- | ? |
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| 08:34.34 | beerbroy | bonjoyee: wget http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.0.4/virtualbox-4.0_4.0.4-70112~Debian~squeeze_i386.deb && dpkg -i virtualbox-4.0_4.0.4-70112~Debian~squeeze_i386.deb |
| 08:34.44 | arumaniac | hi all goodmorning |
| 08:35.03 | erAbuelo | hi |
| 08:35.32 | Nightmeister | MrWGW : http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4727053/debian-500-i386-netinst.iso |
| 08:35.32 | bonjoyee | beerbroy: its not about just the end result..but why do i get this error? |
| 08:35.32 | Nightmeister | )) |
| 08:35.46 | arumaniac | to record my desktop I can use gtk-recordmydesktop or others, but how to record what I am lissen? |
| 08:36.37 | smhar | I 've been using skype for sometime with squeeze, but I am now in need of a video call system . any suggestions? |
| 08:36.56 | Nightmeister | MrWGW : so? normal? |
| 08:37.25 | jelly-home | bonjoyee: because a) their repo is broken, or b) you have network (proxy?) issues |
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| 08:37.57 | MrWGW- | I can't use a torrent from here |
| 08:38.01 | jelly-home | smhar: uh, skype has webcam support. |
| 08:38.03 | apollo13 | smhar: skype video works, though you can use jabber with jingle or video via sip |
| 08:39.31 | Dewi | what would be the lightest way to virtualize myself another network stack (list of ifaces, routing table, etc)? |
| 08:39.40 | smhar | the other person would 'most probably' be using a windows version. will there be any 'expected' problem? |
| 08:39.50 | Dewi | a tiny linux in a virtualbox? |
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| 08:40.16 | apollo13 | smhar: what's that question about, there are always problems with windows users *scnr* |
| 08:40.53 | Dewi | smhar: skype does video calls doesn't it? |
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| 08:41.37 | smhar | any better alternative. it is an important video conference that will last for more than an hour and I want to be prepared |
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| 08:41.50 | Dewi | smhar: better how? |
| 08:42.02 | Dewi | smhar: as in more robust? |
| 08:42.22 | smhar | Dewi, not sure, lower bandwidth, faster, video quality etc |
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| 08:44.23 | Dewi | smhar: well some IM clients have it, but skype probably takes it more seriously than them |
| 08:44.30 | Dewi | smhar: the only other thing I can think of is 3G video calls |
| 08:44.39 | bonjoyee | jelly-home: done...just cleared the /var/lib/apt/lists! thanks |
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| 08:45.23 | smhar | Dewi, 3G is much more expensive and can be stopped by carried. |
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| 08:46.26 | Nightmeister | MrWGW : :( |
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| 08:46.39 | Dewi | smhar: there is SIP video, but I haven't heard much about it |
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| 08:47.06 | smhar | I think I will do a trial session with skype first |
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| 08:48.44 | bonjoyee | Nightmeister: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/debian-installer/ |
| 08:48.56 | MrWGW- | yay, found one |
| 08:49.06 | MrWGW- | are the apt repos for Debian 5 still live? |
| 08:49.14 | bonjoyee | MrWGW-: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/debian-installer/ |
| 08:49.24 | MrWGW- | bonjoyee: thanks |
| 08:49.26 | Nightmeister | thx bonjoyee |
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| 08:50.10 | Dewi | MrWGW-: yes, but called 'oldstable' instead of 'stable' |
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| 08:51.56 | Dewi | MrWGW-: end of life hasn't been announced yet, but likely to be 2012 February |
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| 08:52.47 | enterneo | I have just installed debian core (without the graphical environment) in a VM, I want to install VMware Tools, but how do I find and mount the vmware image? |
| 08:52.49 | Arrowmaster | its just about always going to be 1 year after its moved to oldstable |
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| 08:54.49 | salahuddin66 | i have setup debian on Compaq Persario CQ42, but have shutdown problem. How I can use noacpi in new grub ? |
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| 08:55.20 | Dewi | enterneo: supply CD to guest, 'sudo mount /media/cdrom' |
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| 08:55.39 | RocketLauncher | http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/6154/20110308035403668x504sc.png why my videos like this |
| 08:56.21 | enterneo | Dewi: thanks :) |
| 08:56.36 | Chubbz | I'm getting a kernel panic when I try and boot. The log before hand seems to indicate that ld-2.11.2 is throwing error 6. any suggestions? |
| 08:56.43 | Dewi | enterneo: it's a good idea to install 'build-essential' first, and make sure you have kernel headers installed |
| 08:57.09 | Dewi | enterneo: as in sudo aptitude install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 08:57.18 | enterneo | yep |
| 08:57.21 | enterneo | doing that :) |
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| 09:23.13 | jelly-home | salahuddin66: edit /etc/default/grub; run /usr/sbin/update-grub |
| 09:23.30 | jelly-home | salahuddin66: inspect the resulting /boot/grub/grub.cfg afterwards |
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| 09:32.32 | [jasper] | hello guys, I'm experiencing a very slow download speed from my machine |
| 09:32.48 | [jasper] | I think it might have something to do that I have a firewall box put in front of it |
| 09:33.09 | [jasper] | could it be that iptables slows my downloads down? |
| 09:33.18 | [jasper] | it's only port forwarding actually |
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| 09:38.34 | stonie_ | hi |
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| 09:38.50 | erAbuelo | [jasper]: i think not |
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| 09:39.02 | [jasper] | erAbuelo: 10 mb/s |
| 09:39.07 | [jasper] | while it's on gbit fiber.. |
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| 09:40.18 | erAbuelo | [jasper]: ok, but do not think it's iptables, maybe where you go down, hard disk etc. |
| 09:40.38 | [jasper] | hmmm |
| 09:40.42 | stonie | hi |
| 09:40.46 | [jasper] | I'm such a newbie with iptables |
| 09:40.46 | Nightmeister | [jasper] : maybe it is hist bad uplink? |
| 09:40.47 | [jasper] | it's just pathetic |
| 09:40.54 | stonie | how can i install gnump3d in 6.0? |
| 09:41.09 | stonie | theres no more package with apt |
| 09:41.35 | Nightmeister | hist=just )) |
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| 10:07.35 | salahuddin66 | jelly-home: I am trying that. |
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| 10:08.03 | AthomIk | hello |
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| 10:09.59 | AthomIk | with gdm i can have 2 X, with on pc 2 screen, 2 keyboards, 2 mouse, with gdm3 is impossible ? |
| 10:10.24 | AthomIk | and i apt-get gdm, a lot of packages can be erazed...... |
| 10:11.04 | AthomIk | i think if i make apt-get gdm, my X can be broken, yes ? |
| 10:12.51 | Cozminsky | so should I go with cyrus imap, dovecot or stick with courier? |
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| 10:18.29 | ov3rmind | hello all! , squeeze runs fine already go with some configs changes troubles, but it's fine |
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| 10:21.48 | SuperAlekZ | hey |
| 10:21.54 | SuperAlekZ | i guess you guys are very familiar with notepad++ |
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| 10:22.19 | SuperAlekZ | is there a way to mark something that i often have in a file (e.g. "-INF") and replace EVERY of these with "0" ? |
| 10:22.54 | themill | wasn't aware there was a linux version of notepad++ |
| 10:23.38 | SuperAlekZ | dunno |
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| 10:27.56 | D-HUND | in some editors it is ctrl-shift-f |
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| 10:31.21 | rhawk1es | hello everybody |
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| 10:32.13 | rhawk1es | can anybody help me with XDMCP and spanish keyboard mapping? |
| 10:32.27 | rhawk1es | in remote thin clients? |
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| 10:35.54 | apollo13 | don't ask to ask just ask, if someone knows an answer he might answer |
| 10:35.55 | crilly | I've got a blade in an IBM Bladecenter which is running Debian Linux. I recently upgraded the Bladecenter's switch from the IBM one to a Cisco one. In the Debian interfaces file, I have a list of devices which take up different IPs on different networks, but they've not come up. How can I activtate the interfaces in the file without rebooting? If they don't come up after a reboot, what coud the issue? |
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| 10:36.52 | blip2 | crilly: ifdown/ifup ? |
| 10:37.02 | rhawk1es | I have two XDMCP clients connecting to a GDM server on a Debian Squeeze |
| 10:37.07 | babilen | crilly: Does "ifup IFACE" bring it up? Have you set "auto IFACE" for the interfaces in question? |
| 10:37.25 | rhawk1es | accentuated characters do not appear |
| 10:37.25 | blip2 | might need to modprobe too |
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| 10:37.37 | crilly | blip2, babilen: I never even knew that command existed - thank you. I'll give it a try. |
| 10:37.45 | babilen | crilly: Can you seem them in the output of "ifconfig -a" ? |
| 10:37.47 | crilly | And yes, 'auto' is set on these interfaces. |
| 10:37.49 | babilen | s/seem/see |
| 10:37.52 | crilly | No. |
| 10:37.53 | rhawk1es | they appear as 'o and not as ó |
| 10:37.57 | crilly | They're not in that output. |
| 10:38.13 | blip2 | probably need to install the appropriate kernal module then |
| 10:38.28 | crilly | Eh? |
| 10:38.41 | babilen | likely, "lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet" will give us the information we need. â http://paste.debian.net |
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| 10:38.52 | rhawk1es | the keymap is "Español dead keys"... if I change to "Spanish" cursor keys do not work and accents work correctly |
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| 10:39.11 | AthomIk | if i install kdm on gnome, just change the /etc/X11/default-display-manager is ok ? |
| 10:39.42 | crilly | babilen: this worked fine until the move to the Cisco switch - it worked prior to this. |
| 10:40.29 | [jasper] | hej guys, I updated from lenny to squeeze and now my network device stoppped working |
| 10:40.36 | [jasper] | gettign destination host unreachable mesages |
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| 10:41.09 | babilen | crilly: That's what is baffling me ... You should still be able to see them in the output of "ifconfig -a" (that lists *all* interfaces) |
| 10:41.18 | AthomIk | [jasper]: is a pcnetamd card ? |
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| 10:41.47 | crilly | babilen: indeed! I've managed to get one working (eth0) by setting its IP, but sadly I need the other interfaces working so that the server can communicate with the LDAP server etc |
| 10:41.59 | [jasper] | AthomIk: it's a e1000 onboard nic |
| 10:42.10 | crilly | babilen: If I do 'ifup eth0.4' I get: "interface eth0.4 is already configured" |
| 10:42.19 | babilen | crilly: How did you get that one working? (exactly!) |
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| 10:42.34 | wcs | hi folks |
| 10:42.44 | crilly | babilen: I manually set the IP to be in the right range for our management network, and now I can ping out to the gateway. |
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| 10:43.08 | crilly | babilen: Our management network is 10.4.3, but we use 10.4.4 for our LDAP and authentication network which eth0.4 is on. |
| 10:43.09 | babilen | crilly: You set it in /etc/network/interfaces? What was the setting before? |
| 10:43.31 | crilly | I've never changed that file, babilen. I have observed that the settings are in place for the interface and they have never been adjusted. |
| 10:43.56 | babilen | crilly: So, how do you "manually set the IP to be in the right range" ? |
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| 10:44.15 | crilly | babilen: I did ifconfig and set the IP address |
| 10:44.17 | [jasper] | any clues AthomIk ? |
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| 10:45.49 | Ticho_ | crilly: how does /proc/net/vlan/config look like ? |
| 10:46.10 | [jasper] | I think the upgrade from lenny to squeeze actualyl reorderded my nic's |
| 10:46.14 | [jasper] | and flipped eth0 and eth1 |
| 10:46.17 | AthomIk | [jasper]: no, on my squeeze i have remove pÄnetamd, because not run |
| 10:46.22 | crilly | Ticho_: Pretty empty |
| 10:46.27 | crilly | Just a single VLAN in there, 1. |
| 10:46.32 | [jasper] | yup |
| 10:46.38 | [jasper] | it changed the numbering AthomIk |
| 10:46.38 | Ticho_ | crilly: so you need eth0.1 |
| 10:46.48 | crilly | Ticho_: That's in there |
| 10:46.54 | crilly | Ticho_: For VLAN 1. |
| 10:47.11 | crilly | eth0.1 | 1 | eth0 |
| 10:47.15 | AthomIk | [jasper]: in /etc/udev/rules.d ? |
| 10:47.25 | Ticho_ | crilly: so why are you trying to bring eth0.4 up ? |
| 10:47.28 | AthomIk | 70-persistent-net...... |
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| 10:47.42 | [jasper] | no such file AthomIk |
| 10:47.42 | crilly | Ticho_: Because eth0.4 sits on 10.4.4 and eth0.1 sits on 10.4.3 |
| 10:47.53 | babilen | crilly: Have to go, but I would need the output/content of the following: "lspci -knn|grep -A1 -i ethernet" + /etc/network/interfaces + "ifconfig -a" |
| 10:47.57 | babilen | !70 |
| 10:47.57 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Squeeze, Lenny) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
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| 10:48.04 | crilly | Ticho_: Actually, eth0.3 sits on 10.4.3 sorry |
| 10:48.16 | crilly | Ticho_: eth0.1 isn't really meant to have an IP |
| 10:48.23 | AthomIk | [jasper]: see /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 10:48.25 | meelephant | rhawk1es have you tried changing the layout after logging in?! |
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| 10:48.34 | [jasper] | no such file AthomIk |
| 10:48.35 | Ticho_ | crilly: oh, you have the VLAN 1 ip on eth0 ? |
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| 10:48.52 | [jasper] | but no worries |
| 10:48.57 | [jasper] | I changed eth0 and eth1 around |
| 10:48.59 | [jasper] | no problem |
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| 10:49.29 | Ticho_ | crilly: you'll need to add other vlans to eth0 via vconfig - or maybe i do not understand the issue here |
| 10:49.31 | crilly | Ticho_: At the moment, yes. |
| 10:49.52 | Ticho_ | crilly: i'm not sure it's a good idea - vlan 1 ip should be on eth0.1 |
| 10:50.02 | Ticho_ | crilly: eth0 should be just UP, without an ip address |
| 10:50.14 | Ticho_ | crilly: at least that's how i have configured vlans everywhere so far |
| 10:50.38 | crilly | VLAN 3 and 4 our the only VLANs we need running on this machine as it's a development machine. |
| 10:50.44 | crilly | are* |
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| 10:51.20 | Ticho_ | and is the switch port configured to send vlan-tagged frames to the server? |
| 10:51.54 | crilly | I've been configuring it left, right and center - it's trunked frames, been set to an access port etc. |
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| 10:53.09 | Ticho_ | what happens if you do `vconfig add eth0 3` and activate a vlan 3 ip on eth0.3 ? |
| 10:53.12 | crilly | Ticho_: I've set it to a trunking switch port, with a native VLAN of 3 and allowed all over vlans to be trunked over it |
| 10:53.29 | crilly | I can't seem to configure eth0.3 |
| 10:53.31 | AthomIk | [jasper]: have you /etc/udev/rules.d/ directory ? |
| 10:53.39 | Ticho_ | no such device? |
| 10:53.45 | crilly | Yep |
| 10:53.47 | [jasper] | yes AthomIk |
| 10:53.49 | Ticho_ | do vconfig add eth0 3 |
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| 10:54.14 | crilly | Ticho_: Ah! I see. |
| 10:54.16 | crilly | hmm |
| 10:54.22 | AthomIk | [jasper]: no xxxnet.rules in ? |
| 10:54.24 | crilly | I wonder what has changed that has resulted in this going tits up? |
| 10:54.41 | [jasper] | pnly cd.rules |
| 10:54.46 | [jasper] | and scsi-udev |
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| 10:54.57 | Ticho_ | crilly: probably server was receiving different frames |
| 10:55.27 | crilly | Ticho_: What do you mean? How would that effect locally written configuration files? |
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| 10:57.29 | Ticho_ | crilly: you said you changed one switch for another |
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| 10:58.39 | crilly | Ticho_: That's right yes, but how does that change the configuration on a Debian Linux blade inside of a Bladecenter? |
| 10:59.06 | Ticho_ | crilly: i really have too little data to work with, but i suspect that the old switch was configured differently in regards to vlans and tagging of frames it sends to server |
| 10:59.43 | Ticho_ | crilly: your configuration files changed by themselves? |
| 10:59.46 | Ticho_ | that's new to me |
| 11:00.07 | Ticho_ | maybe some NetworkManager automagic ? |
| 11:00.12 | crilly | Must have been |
| 11:00.18 | crilly | I'll have a word with the boss when he comes in :) |
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| 11:02.39 | prem | hi .,have anyone successfully installed debian with "full encrypted lvm" |
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| 11:03.07 | prem | i created a customised dvd of debian with few applications installing under /opt., |
| 11:03.10 | crilly | Ticho_: How do I remove an IP from an interface? i.e. eth0 |
| 11:03.35 | prem | but that throws error during encrypted lvm |
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| 11:04.07 | Cozminsky | crilly: ip addr del 1.2.3.4/8 dev eth0 |
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| 11:08.45 | Bartzy | Hi |
| 11:08.58 | Bartzy | I have a weird problem with NFS |
| 11:09.11 | Bartzy | I restarted the NFS server, and now clients that were connected to it have bad links and stuff like that |
| 11:09.18 | Bartzy | /etc/init.d/am-utils restart won't fix the issue. |
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| 11:09.54 | prem | !lvm |
| 11:09.54 | dpkg | [lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 11:11.24 | MrWGW- | when you download a .deb with apt-get --download-only, where are said .debs stored? |
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| 11:12.02 | tvm | mrwgw-: /var/cache/apt/archives or something like that, iirc |
| 11:12.06 | capri | hey, could someone tell me how could i find my WWN (world wide port name) in debian? |
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| 11:14.16 | capri | ok i got it by myself |
| 11:14.17 | capri | ^^ |
| 11:14.19 | capri | sry |
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| 11:14.34 | knielsen | Hi, I am trying to understand what the {a}, {ab}, etc. mean in the output of `sudo aptitude install <packages>`. Any pointers to where I can read about this? |
| 11:14.49 | reactor | where do I get the old releases? Is there some sort of release archive around? |
| 11:14.52 | reactor | and hello |
| 11:14.53 | knielsen | didn't find it in `man aptitude` or aptitude reference manual |
| 11:15.38 | knielsen | reactor: archive.debian.org has most, I think (at least I used it for woody before) |
| 11:15.50 | jelly | reactor has blown away |
| 11:16.03 | reactor | thx |
| 11:18.02 | reactor | hmm, no Lenny in that archive |
| 11:18.26 | knielsen | reactor: I think lenny is still on the active mirrors |
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| 11:18.32 | reactor | k |
| 11:19.33 | themill | dpkg: tell knielsen about aptitude states |
| 11:19.41 | Bartzy | anyone ?? |
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| 11:21.34 | knielsen | themill: hm, tnx, but I'm looking for the meaning of {a} in "The following NEW packages will be installed: libdbd-mysql-perl{a} ..." |
| 11:21.42 | [jasper] | hej guys, anyone here using arno-iptables? |
| 11:21.43 | knielsen | themill: I think that's different from the states |
| 11:23.00 | themill | knielsen: ahh -- that is in the documentation somewhere too... they're the action flags that are in the next table down from the one dpkg linked to. |
| 11:23.25 | themill | {a} == will be automatically installed, {p} == will be purged, etc |
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| 11:25.40 | Ticho_ | i wonder - are there any bad experiences upgrading from squeeze to wheeze on a KDE desktop ? |
| 11:25.56 | knielsen | hm, wierd, I have an example with {a}, {ab}, and {b}, and I can find neither on that page :-/ |
| 11:26.17 | themill | knielsen: can you pastebin the entire output? |
| 11:26.26 | knielsen | http://pastie.org/1646958 |
| 11:27.15 | ansgar | b might be "broken" |
| 11:27.16 | themill | that's going to be "b" for broken |
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| 11:28.11 | Ticho_ | try aptitude with -W |
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| 11:31.59 | knielsen | Unfortunately this is from a bug report which I cannot reproduce. I was trying to get as much info from the output as possible |
| 11:32.42 | knielsen | It's wierd, I am looking at the source for aptitude, and I can only see it able to output 'p'. 'a', and 'u', no 'b' ... hm, maybe I have the wrong version of the source, let me check ... |
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| 11:33.08 | knielsen | but yes, it's probably "broken" |
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| 11:35.53 | MaxFrames | hello |
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| 11:36.17 | v3trae | good evening folks, having some trouble getting my laptop and audio. lspci see's the soundcard, aplay -l does not. Any ideas of what I can check? |
| 11:36.43 | MaxFrames | can you help me troubleshoot why a connection initiated from a openvpn client, and nat-routed by the openvpn server, never reaches the target host? |
| 11:36.44 | v3trae | Actually, aplay is seeing it. Just kidding. Hrmph. |
| 11:36.44 | AthomIk | v3trae: what soundcard ? |
| 11:36.50 | MaxFrames | the openvpn server is debian lenny |
| 11:37.04 | v3trae | AthomIk: Intel. N10/ICH 7 |
| 11:37.20 | v3trae | AthomIk: checked my levels in alsa already, that's all good. |
| 11:37.21 | MaxFrames | no one has been able to help me in #openvpn as it's likely a debian issue, not an openvpn issue (all seems ok with the openvpn config) |
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| 11:37.50 | v3trae | AthomIk: sound always seems to give me trouble =( |
| 11:37.53 | MaxFrames | if I fire up tcpdump, I can see that the openvpn server is attempting a connection to the target host, but the target host does not see it |
| 11:38.00 | AthomIk | v3trae: i use hdmi connection with my nvidia and i have compil kernel > 2.6.33 for have fermi support else aplay -l no see the card, but lspci yes |
| 11:38.10 | MaxFrames | I cannot for the life of me figure out where it gets lost and why |
| 11:38.21 | MaxFrames | can you suggest some tool to find out? |
| 11:38.36 | AthomIk | now i have 2.6.37.2 kernel |
| 11:38.40 | v3trae | AthomIk: hrm. I'm using a stock Kernel, and haven't had to use a custom one before on this machine |
| 11:38.44 | joltcan | MaxFrames: do you see the requrest on the target host? |
| 11:38.44 | AthomIk | for the hdmi sound :D |
| 11:38.47 | v3trae | MaxFrames: is the vnc daemon listening |
| 11:39.18 | MaxFrames | joltcan: no, I cannot see the request at all on the target client (but with tcpdump I can see it on the openvpn server) |
| 11:39.34 | v3trae | MaxFrames: vpn is port 5900 isn't it? Haven't used it in a while |
| 11:39.38 | MaxFrames | v3trae: it's not vnc, it's a windows box so it's rdp, but yes it's listening |
| 11:39.39 | joltcan | MaxFrames: on the interface towards the target host as well? |
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| 11:40.01 | v3trae | MaxFrames: oh okay, i got your problem backwards. My mistake |
| 11:40.20 | MaxFrames | joltcan: yes; I can see the connection on the tun0 interface *and* on the eth0 interface (target host-side) |
| 11:40.31 | joltcan | MaxFrames: can you ping from the rdp box to the vpn client? just to make sure that the nat actually works |
| 11:41.11 | v3trae | MaxFrames: could try telnetting to that port too. Will tell you if the daemon is even open for connections |
| 11:41.15 | joltcan | MaxFrames: just to make sure that the rdp request doesn't come from your tun network, and that the rdp server can actually reach that network |
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| 11:41.36 | MaxFrames | well, I can ping from the openvpn client to the rdp box; I cannot directly ping the openvpn client from the rdp box cause openvpn is nat'ed |
| 11:41.52 | knielsen | ok, found the right version of the source, 'b' is indeed broken, 'a' is remove/install/hold. (still didn't find it in the docs, but "use the source, luke" :-) thanks all! |
| 11:42.14 | MaxFrames | but I can ping the openvpn server from the rdp box (the rdp box sees all connections from the openvpn client as they were coming from the openvpn server) |
| 11:42.15 | Ticho_ | MaxFrames: just an off chance, but perhaps you're running tcpdump on wrong network interface on the target host? |
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| 11:42.29 | Ticho_ | MaxFrames: bah, ignore me, i had this window scrolled up about 10 minutes in the past :/ |
| 11:42.31 | joltcan | MaxFrames: can you make sure that the rdp source IP on the eth0 is from a subnet that the rdp server can reach? |
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| 11:43.21 | MaxFrames | yes |
| 11:43.33 | MaxFrames | the rdp source IP is the IP of the openvpn server |
| 11:43.43 | MaxFrames | the rdp box can reach it, and vice versa |
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| 11:44.51 | MaxFrames | I have set up the rdp machine to log any connection attempt on the rdp port, and it's not logging anything, while at the same time the openvpn server is (supposedly) trying to connect! |
| 11:45.40 | MaxFrames | is there any other tool which can tell me what's happening, besides tcpdump? |
| 11:45.48 | joltcan | MaxFrames: Do you see the ACK message from RDP->vpn server? |
| 11:45.55 | MaxFrames | no |
| 11:46.09 | joltcan | but you see the ACK from eth0 -> rdp? |
| 11:46.15 | joltcan | öh, SYN |
| 11:46.25 | MaxFrames | yes (I think), let me check again |
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| 11:46.47 | joltcan | MaxFrames: Sound like a firewall/config issue at the rdp-server otherwise |
| 11:46.57 | Ticho_ | or somewhere between them |
| 11:47.14 | joltcan | MaxFrames: I would run nc on the rdp box |
| 11:47.23 | MaxFrames | this is what I see when I do "tcpdump host [rdp box]" on the openvpn server: |
| 11:47.27 | joltcan | MaxFrames: and try to connect with nc from the vpn server |
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| 11:47.35 | joltcan | to make sure that it works, and no firewall issues |
| 11:47.37 | complete | Good morning from Germany! In manpages, is it possible to search for a parameter? For example when I search "man rsync" for "-c" and only want to find the explanation of the parameter. not "--clear" or "ober-cool" etc. |
| 11:47.55 | joltcan | MaxFrames: nc -l 1234 on the rdp box, and nc box 1234 and type somehting |
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| 11:48.29 | MaxFrames | just a sec, can I paste the output of tcpdump so you can tell me about it? |
| 11:48.35 | Ticho_ | complete: search for "-c,", but that doesn't necessarily work on all manpages |
| 11:48.58 | joltcan | MaxFrames: do it |
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| 11:49.32 | MaxFrames | IP [vpn server].4620 > [rdp box].3389: S 839932196:839932196(0) win 16384 <mss 1368,nop,nop,sackOK> |
| 11:49.35 | Bushmills | alternaticely, search for -c<space> |
| 11:49.41 | MaxFrames | this is repeated three times, and that is all |
| 11:49.45 | Bushmills | ...vely |
| 11:50.07 | joltcan | MaxFrames: doesn't sound like it's listening, or that its firewalled |
| 11:50.08 | gob_bluth | got a strange one for cron.d: trying to do this isn't working: http://pastebin.com/kMk84kMs |
| 11:50.31 | MaxFrames | joltcan: so, the openvpn server is actually attempting a connection, but the other side is not answering? |
| 11:50.33 | Ticho_ | MaxFrames: have you tried telnet [rdp box] 3389 to see if a tcp connection gets established without the rdesktop application ? |
| 11:50.34 | gob_bluth | however, putting it all on eone line, cmd ; cmd ; cmd ; cmd works |
| 11:50.45 | MaxFrames | ticho: let me try that now |
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| 11:51.50 | MaxFrames | ticho: same thing, connection does not succeed and I see the same lines I pasted above in tcpdump |
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| 11:52.35 | MaxFrames | joltcan: I'm not sure how I can do the nc stuff, cause the rdp box is windows |
| 11:52.49 | Ticho_ | gob_bluth: crontab doesn't allow multiline cron jobs |
| 11:53.05 | gob_bluth | Ticho_: ah |
| 11:53.09 | Ticho_ | gob_bluth: what you might try is to end every line but the last with a \ |
| 11:53.18 | Ticho_ | gob_bluth: but that's just a wild guess |
| 11:53.26 | gob_bluth | Ticho_: tried that, cmd ; \ cmd ; \ cmd ; \ - no worky |
| 11:54.03 | Ticho_ | gob_bluth: if it's crontab for root, put all the lines into /usr/local/sbin/mycoolscript.sh, and call that from crontab |
| 11:54.19 | joltcan | MaxFrames: there are nc binaries for win as well |
| 11:54.32 | gob_bluth | Ticho_: i figured, i was hoping for something more elegant |
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| 11:54.45 | joltcan | MaxFrames: I would disable the firewall in win (if possible) just to see if it works |
| 11:54.54 | Bushmills | gob_bluth: put your multi-line commands into a script. call the script from crontab |
| 11:54.59 | joltcan | MaxFrames: since you usually have to poke a hole in the firewall for it to work anyway |
| 11:55.14 | Bushmills | oh. as Ticho_suggested |
| 11:55.16 | Ticho_ | gob_bluth: my opinion is that calling a script from crontab *is* more elegant than calling a bunch of commands - it certainly looks prettier |
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| 11:57.13 | Bushmills | gob_bluth: for cron jobs executed hourly, daily, weekly, simply put a script in /etc/cron.<weekyl|daily|hourly> |
| 11:57.15 | MaxFrames | joltcan: I've created a rule in the windows firewall to accept any connection from the openvpn server, and to log them all |
| 11:57.28 | Lumpus | Cant get good sound from my webcam on cheese i can get good Quality from skype when i calling someonett etc Whats wrong? |
| 11:57.30 | MaxFrames | so I guess that the windows firewall is not the problem |
| 11:57.45 | joltcan | MaxFrames: Sorry, but my windows skills suxx0rs, so I would try with nc |
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| 12:04.38 | crilly | Ticho_: I'm now playing with another blade in the Bladecenter and I'm trying to get it connected to our normal use network (10.4.1), but there are no vlan commands and I can't get a net connection to it in order to install anything via apt. |
| 12:04.42 | crilly | Ticho_: Ideas? |
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| 12:14.47 | Cozminsky | does selinuxenabled tell you if selinux is compiled into the kernel? or is there something under /proc or /sys I can look at to determine that? |
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| 12:16.55 | cusco_ | Cozminsky: try http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux/Setup |
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| 12:18.43 | Cozminsky | cusco_: problem is it's not a debian kernel and I don't have access to compile my own or install debian kernel |
| 12:18.54 | Cozminsky | cusco_: and I'm not sure what the config options for it were |
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| 12:25.51 | miltio | hi |
| 12:26.05 | miltio | how can I recreate files under /etc/grub.d ? |
| 12:26.14 | miltio | I made some experiments using grub2 and now I have an empty /etc/grub.d |
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| 12:28.12 | miltio | grub-common I presume |
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| 12:29.02 | sussudio | miltio: maybe there's examples in /usr/share/doc/grub-common. don't bother replying, i'm going now. |
| 12:30.18 | dachary | Hi. I am on the process of finishing a package for http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=616373 . The Bio++ suite is actually made of eight source distributions (bppphyview bppsuite libbpp-core libbpp-phyl libbpp-popgen libbpp-qt libbpp-raa libbpp-seq). Is it necessary to open a RFP (or ITP since I decided to accept the responsibility) for each of them ? |
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| 12:39.36 | abrotman | dachary: you mean an ITP ? |
| 12:40.09 | dachary | abrotman: yes |
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| 12:41.21 | abrotman | dachary: i don't think so .. you can file the ITP for the single source package, if someone complains, file the rest |
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| 12:42.38 | dachary | abrotman: I will be in the case where mulitple source packages close the same ITP, because they all belong together ( http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=616373 ) |
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| 12:44.57 | abrotman | close the same RFP |
| 12:45.30 | abrotman | dachary: AIUI, you claim the RFP, and then if you're a DD, upload to new, otherwise, you find a sponsor in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net or mentors.debian.net |
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| 12:46.01 | rgr | my new debian install, in which I foolishly accepted the defaults, resides in an LVM. I have plenty of freespace in /home but need to resize and give / some more (the default size is still too small IMO). Whats the quickest/recommended way? A Ubuntu live cd? Would prefer a GUI front end as the LVM command tools is a nest of vipers. |
| 12:46.01 | dachary | abrotman: thanks for the advice |
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| 12:46.48 | rozie_ | rgr: is there any specific directory you need to resize? |
| 12:47.44 | rozie_ | if this is /var/log for example, you can make the directory /home/log and symlink named log in /var pointing to this one |
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| 12:48.43 | rgr | the root filesystem in the lvm really. |
| 12:48.49 | txb | rgr, http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO.html#AEN72 |
| 12:49.28 | rgr | txb: yes. I have seen that. Its exactly what I hoped to avoid having to do. rozie_ : not bad suggestion thanks. |
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| 12:50.42 | txb | Why? There is no problem with reduzing and resizing logical volumes. |
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| 12:52.30 | rgr | yes, quite. Thanks anyway. I prefer something like system-config-lvm from a live disk. That page is plethora of pitfalls. |
| 12:53.20 | rgr | e.g how best to boot to use the correct tools? Which image to use? |
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| 12:56.05 | abrotman | why not just reinstall? it's a new install ? |
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| 13:01.37 | Ticho_ | wow, people still fear lvm ? |
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| 13:01.46 | blackshirt | :-D |
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| 13:03.31 | jelly | why reinstall or even boot if he can umount /home, fsck -f it, shrink it, shrink the LV, mount it back and give the space to / LV? |
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| 13:05.59 | Ticho_ | jelly: because it's black magic and he doesn't trust it |
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| 13:10.09 | abrotman | jelly: i was taking the path of "least resistance" .. or perhaps the path of least learning/understanding |
| 13:10.26 | jelly | Ticho_: my rule of thumb is "if it exists in RHEL4 and still exists in RHEL5 it's probably stable" |
| 13:10.42 | jelly | and _they_ default to LVM |
| 13:11.11 | jelly | abrotman: but there's a path of least reboots! |
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| 13:11.34 | abrotman | yeah .. well .. i'm guessing he's not really interested based on past interactions |
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| 13:14.10 | lambda81__ | hi all, I am having problems on unstable with nvidia, nvidia-glx : Depends: xorg-video-abi-6.0 but it is not installable or xserver-xorg-core (< 2:1.7.7) but it is not going to be installed ... |
| 13:14.37 | lambda81__ | I read some discussion about this problem, eg. http://www.aptosid.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=815 |
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| 13:15.48 | [jasper] | hello guys, is there anyone here with a iptables config file for debian squeeze |
| 13:15.54 | [jasper] | setting the box up as a gateway with port forwarding? |
| 13:15.56 | crilly | I have a Debian 5.0 server on an IBM Blade which I can't seem to get an Internet connection too... how can I enable VLANs on the server and therefore the NIC, without having access to apt to install vlan |
| 13:16.05 | lambda81__ | but nothing helped me, I also discovered that xserver-xorg-video-nv is not available in sid |
| 13:16.25 | lambda81__ | so now I am running vesa, anybody here with similar problems? |
| 13:16.57 | lambda81__ | thanks in advance for any help |
| 13:17.56 | blackshirt | lambda81: why not try from nvidia |
| 13:18.05 | themill | lambda81__: welcome to sid! nv is no longer, use nouveau instead. Non-free nvidia crap in sid is incompatible with current xorg in sid; the packages in experimental might work but you're on your own with them... /msg dpkg sid; /msg dpkg experimental |
| 13:18.09 | jelly | lambda81__: it's a known bug. #614230 |
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| 13:18.16 | jelly | oh |
| 13:18.17 | jelly | ov |
| 13:18.20 | jelly | mv |
| 13:18.38 | jelly | DAMMIT, nv. nvm, |
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| 13:19.25 | lambda81__ | themill: I tried to installed xorg from experimetal, but it ended up with different unmet dep problem... |
| 13:19.49 | themill | welcome to experimental... it's even more fun than sid |
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| 13:20.08 | jelly | #614230 |
| 13:20.29 | lambda81__ | themill: so I am back in unstable branch :-) |
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| 13:20.46 | jelly | the non-free driver is said to work with some coercing |
| 13:21.02 | themill | lambda81__: if you wanted it to just work, you should be using squeeze. |
| 13:21.02 | lambda81__ | <jelly>: I know, anyway i hoped that it could be fixed after some weeks :-) |
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| 13:21.57 | jelly | lambda81__: non-free repo is a second grade citizen |
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| 13:22.10 | lambda81__ | thewill: I am using unstable for years, just with two-three problems during this time, this is one of them, so I don't want to leave unstable, it's quite stable for me :-) |
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| 13:24.34 | aminpy | how to create vpn connection? |
| 13:25.00 | crilly | What type, an IPSec tunnel? |
| 13:25.48 | lambda81__ | <jelly>: binary nvidia driver is pain, most of problems I had in the past with unstable were related to nvidia... |
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| 13:27.16 | jelly | and yet it's the only one that yields decent performance and support for games^H^H^H^H^H3D apps |
| 13:27.19 | lambda81__ | thanks for help |
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| 13:38.37 | [jasper] | hej guys, with the update from lenny to squeeze I'm getting the following iptables error: using intrapositioned negation is deprecated in favor of extrapositioned |
| 13:38.41 | [jasper] | what should I do with this? |
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| 13:40.32 | petemc | !dbugs 528736 |
| 13:40.36 | dpkg | DONE:#528736:M[iptables] intrapositioned vs. extrapositioned (fixed-upstream); Fri, 15 May 2009 03:57:07 UTC [523627] |
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| 13:41.32 | [jasper] | hmm how do I run that fix petemc? |
| 13:41.40 | petemc | you read the bug report |
| 13:42.08 | petemc | from a cursory glance it appears you can just ignore that warning |
| 13:42.45 | [jasper] | well |
| 13:42.49 | [jasper] | my forwarding stopped functioning |
| 13:42.51 | [jasper] | for some reason |
| 13:43.02 | [jasper] | i'll try one thing |
| 13:43.21 | petemc | what does cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward say ? |
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| 13:46.28 | [jasper] | http://pastebin.com/6tr1JVbB |
| 13:46.33 | [jasper] | that's my file |
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| 13:49.25 | Cerales | Does anyone know what I can do if my X server is misoncfigured an dI'm just getting a noisy display when SLIM loads? but switching to TTY1 doesn't help? |
| 13:49.30 | rysiek|pl | yellow |
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| 13:50.14 | rysiek|pl | guys, any Debian On FreeRunner user/dev here? |
| 13:50.44 | blinki | if I wanted to sync machine configuration using puppet, would there be any conflict in doing so with my /etc/(passwd|shadow|group) files? |
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| 13:53.27 | AthomIk | with gdm3 i cannot have 2 x, 2screens, 2 keyboard, 2mouse, have you a solution i wanna multiple screens i have 2 video cards |
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| 13:53.52 | AthomIk | And if i apt-get install gdm, this remove a lot a packages...... |
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| 13:59.16 | catsup | AthomIk: you want two separate X servers? |
| 13:59.41 | AthomIk | catsup: yes 2 indépendant X, possible with gdm but not gdm3 |
| 14:00.47 | catsup | surely that is possible with gdm3... |
| 14:00.54 | AthomIk | look this example http://www.linuxtoys.org/multiseat/multiseat.html |
| 14:01.21 | AthomIk | but now in /etc/gmd3/daemon.conf, no exist section for multi screen..... |
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| 14:01.52 | AthomIk | and install gdm erase a lot of package with remove gdm3, i think i break my X |
| 14:02.24 | catsup | but can you run two separate instances of gdm3? |
| 14:02.37 | AthomIk | catsup: no, it's impossible option is removed, i have read all google link and gnome web :D |
| 14:02.44 | catsup | anyway, you can certainly run two separate instances of xdm, which may be a workaround for now |
| 14:03.11 | AthomIk | catsup: wait i past |
| 14:03.12 | catsup | yes i think you are right unless you use a crazy hack, i see gdm3 expects to manage all X servers |
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| 14:03.51 | catsup | (a crazy hack like editing the configuration files in between launching instances) |
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| 14:04.27 | LemensTS | I want to insert "this is a new line" after [general].. sed '/^[general]/a this is the new line' /etc/asterisk/sip.conf |
| 14:05.01 | babilen | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%23602075 fwiw |
| 14:05.15 | babilen | Ah, gdm3 multi-seat ^^^ |
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| 14:07.13 | babilen | !tell AthomIk -about unmarkauto |
| 14:07.54 | robert00 | i was thinking about buying an officejet all in one printer, it only has support for debian 5.0 however, will it work with sqeeze? |
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| 14:08.09 | babilen | AthomIk: That is the underlying reason for the package removal when you install gdm. You might want to install a lighter gnome metapackage (like gnome-session or gnome-core) and unmarkauto additional packages prior to the gdm installation |
| 14:08.15 | AthomIk | catsup: look if i install gdm on gdm3 http://pastebin.com/8HuYDNU7 |
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| 14:09.21 | babilen | robert00: I would be very surprised if a printer that worked in lenny would seize to do so in squeeze. It is just a question of having the correct PPD file available. See also http://www.openprinting.org/printers |
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| 14:10.01 | babilen | AthomIk: Read the private message from dpkg and my note regarding that problem. |
| 14:10.23 | catsup | looks like he doesn't have autoremove enabled |
| 14:10.26 | catsup | 0 mis à jour, 4 nouvellement installés, 3 à enlever et 0 non mis à jour. |
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| 14:10.48 | catsup | Les paquets suivants seront ENLEVÃS : gdm3 gnome gnome-desktop-environment |
| 14:10.53 | robert00 | babilen, thank you |
| 14:10.55 | AthomIk | babilen: ok thk, no irssi great user |
| 14:11.28 | catsup | AthomIk: that big list of packages isn't going to be removed, it is just telling you that they were automatically installed and that you can remove them, with autoremove |
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| 14:11.55 | babilen | AthomIk: You might also want to prefix your commands (those whose output you plan to paste) with "LANG=C" so the output is in English. (Easier for us to read) |
| 14:13.01 | AthomIk | ok babilen thk |
| 14:13.08 | babilen | catsup: IMHO AthomIk should still install a lighter gnome metapackage and unmarkauto packages (s)he wants to keep. Just because apt-get does not remove them doesn't mean that they should be in this state. |
| 14:13.54 | catsup | babilen: oh, i agree, certainly; i did not mean to contradict you on that one |
| 14:14.07 | babilen | AthomIk: Are you OK with these instructions/explanations or do you need more details? |
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| 14:14.23 | babilen | catsup: I understood it that way, just wanted to spell it out explicitly |
| 14:16.05 | DotHack | Question: I now have a domU in xen running an kernel 2.6.37 from unstable. Here migration works. With the stable kernel 2.6.32 it doesnt.. should it be ok to use a kernel from unstable in production? |
| 14:16.23 | AthomIk | babilen: if i apt-get install gdm without markauto, i break my X ? |
| 14:17.22 | AthomIk | DotHack: yes for unstable production :) |
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| 14:18.31 | babilen | AthomIk: Ok, the underlying "problem" is the way gnome is installed on your system. The packages are installed because a metapackage (i.e. gnome) depends on them and they are therefore all marked as being "automatically installed". If you install gdm, gdm3 is removed which is a dependency of "gnome" and also causes "gnome" to be removed. All packages that were installed because "gnome" depended on them are now offered for removal because there is ... |
| 14:18.37 | babilen | ... no longer a reason to keep them. |
| 14:19.03 | robert00 | does anybody know of the best all in one with foomatic support? |
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| 14:19.20 | catsup | DotHack: probably yes, if nothing is broken. 2.6.37 is based on the stable upstream, of course. |
| 14:19.48 | babilen | AthomIk: apt-get does not automatically remove packages that were installed as a dependency, but no longer have a (manually/explicitly) installed package that depend on them. aptitude would remove them autmatically. |
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| 14:19.53 | DotHack | catsup: so if the system works ok, y software runs it wouldnt be a problem to use it? |
| 14:21.41 | catsup | DotHack: yes, exactly. the only problem to worry about is that the debian patches applied to debian might introduce bugs, especially if they have changed. |
| 14:21.45 | catsup | erm |
| 14:21.47 | AthomIk | babilen: if i remove gdm3 because is in metapackage gnome ( default install X ), i have gdm without gnome... ? |
| 14:21.48 | catsup | applied to the kernel |
| 14:22.07 | babilen | AthomIk: I would: Run "aptitude -s install gdm" and take a close look at the packages that are going to be removed. 2. Install a lighter GNOME metapackage (such as gnome-session for the essentials, or gnome-core for a bit more) 3. Run "aptitude -s install gdm" again and check the packages that will be removed again. 4. Run "aptitude unmarkauto PKG1 ... PKGN" for all packages that you indeed want to keep. 5. Repeat that until you are happy and ... |
| 14:22.13 | babilen | ... run "aptitude install gdm" to install gdm |
| 14:22.20 | babilen | AthomIk: More or less, yes |
| 14:22.30 | catsup | DotHack: i guess you could ask oftc #debian-kernel if there are known issues |
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| 14:23.04 | AthomIk | babilen: ok thk i note this clear instruction |
| 14:23.43 | babilen | AthomIk: If you need help or suggestions don't hesitate to paste aptitude's output and ask :) |
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| 14:25.06 | AthomIk | babilen: is important because my daughter loves the emulator dolphin an have no scool tomorow |
| 14:25.09 | AthomIk | :D |
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| 14:32.04 | babilen | AthomIk: You certainly want to make sure that it is not removed in that case. The wrath of a disappointed daughter is nothing I want you to endure. |
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| 14:33.30 | krogon | which mail daemon do you recomend? exim4/postfix/sendmail? I only need to send output of cron jobs |
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| 14:33.53 | AthomIk | babilen: yes, she play with hdmi on tv, and me work on pc screen but at this time dolphin grab mouse and keyboard have by a nvidia for 2 x separate for this |
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| 14:34.25 | wide_awake | Hello |
| 14:34.41 | babilen | krogon: Why not the default exim4? |
| 14:35.02 | wide_awake | I'm upgrading from Lenny -> Squeeze, and I'm just wondering if there's a good way to verify that GRUB 2 works for a machine where I don't have physical access? |
| 14:35.43 | wide_awake | normally I have a remote console, but stupid Murphy's law broke that shortly before I started the upgrade (unbeknownst to me, of course) |
| 14:36.54 | krogon | babilen: because default not means the best, or which best suits our need |
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| 14:37.58 | babilen | krogon: exim4 is fine. |
| 14:38.20 | babilen | krogon: And it is already installed which means no further work. :) |
| 14:40.02 | krogon | babilen: I have now diferrent programs on servers so I want to choose one |
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| 14:40.24 | krogon | babilen: so I am supposed to install it anyway |
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| 14:41.00 | krogon | babilen: cause it is production I want to choose small and lighweight |
| 14:43.44 | babilen | krogon: I would choose exim4 and have never regretted that choice. An older MTA comparison is http://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison#Quick_Answer . The best choice also depends on which MTA you and the other admins are most comfortable with. Exim4 and Postfix are more than able to handle any job you want them to do. |
| 14:44.10 | AthomIk | krogon: most smtp server use postfix for sécurity, you re smtp port is closed else use postfix |
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| 14:45.03 | babilen | AthomIk: What security related bugs remain unfixed in Debian's exim4 packages? |
| 14:45.29 | waka | iceweasel just frustrates me with sound |
| 14:45.42 | babilen | waka: Turn down the volume |
| 14:45.51 | waka | The day I will have There is nothign |
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| 14:46.01 | waka | my problem is to get it on hehe |
| 14:46.26 | babilen | waka: So that should have been: "Iceweasel frustrates me with no sound" ? ;) |
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| 14:46.36 | waka | yeah |
| 14:46.40 | krogon | I was reading that comparison and also think about exim4 before. The outside port I am going to drop at firewall so it should be secure |
| 14:46.50 | babilen | waka: Do you mean sound from flash? Do you have pulseaudio installed and running? |
| 14:46.53 | AthomIk | babilen: postfix is more in use of exim4, i not say exim4 is unsecure |
| 14:47.01 | waka | maybe I should try harder but I have pulseaudio |
| 14:47.05 | waka | yeah |
| 14:47.08 | waka | from flash |
| 14:47.32 | AthomIk | babilen: before i be smtp admin, use sendmail and migrat at postfix |
| 14:47.43 | wide_awake | +1 for postfix |
| 14:48.00 | waka | emu10k1x soundbuster live |
| 14:48.12 | wide_awake | I use that pretty much for familiarity and postgres-backing support |
| 14:48.23 | aminpy | kvpnc raises "The peer refused to authenticate." |
| 14:48.23 | waka | pulse is running |
| 14:48.44 | waka | although taht too keeps cutting but at least there is sound |
| 14:49.00 | babilen | waka: Ok, I would try: http://paste.debian.net/110014/ in either ~/.asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf and "pavucontrol" to manage per application volume levels. |
| 14:49.27 | waka | done that on asoundrc |
| 14:49.35 | babilen | waka: I'm searching for background information, but that solved this issue for me. |
| 14:50.02 | babilen | waka: And you restarted pulseaudio and all sound applications? |
| 14:50.57 | waka | when I do pulseaudio -D manually btw I get a message that the Daemon failed |
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| 14:51.38 | waka | yeah restarted those |
| 14:51.48 | babilen | waka: Which message is that? Are you sure that the daemon is not started automagically? |
| 14:52.04 | waka | E: main.c: Daemon startup failed. |
| 14:52.33 | waka | well just on normal user I suppose |
| 14:52.41 | waka | I dont suppose I should root that |
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| 14:53.26 | comradekingu | How is the 4k sector size alignment out of the box in squeeze? |
| 14:53.42 | waka | anything wrong with having both scripts? babilen? asoundrc and the asound.conf one? |
| 14:53.42 | babilen | comradekingu: WD whatever drive? |
| 14:53.55 | comradekingu | babilen: Yes |
| 14:53.56 | waka | I see I din remove one when I was trying to edit those |
| 14:54.17 | babilen | waka: Hmm, it is absolutely not necessary to have ~/.asounrc if you have /etc/asound.conf (I opted for the latter) |
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| 14:55.04 | babilen | comradekingu: AFAIK not automagically aligned. You might have to do that yourself. There is a nice article on IBM DeveloperWorks and other tutorials that explain the process. Note that this might have changed. I don't have such a drive and therefore don't really care about it. |
| 14:55.38 | waka | my asoundrc had this after I installed the driver http://paste.debian.net/110015/ |
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| 14:56.05 | waka | I'v just commented it out to put the pulse conf |
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| 14:56.13 | babilen | waka: But you replaced that with the snippet I pasted earlier? |
| 14:56.17 | babilen | ok |
| 14:56.18 | waka | but I guess doesn help |
| 14:56.20 | waka | yeah |
| 14:56.28 | comradekingu | babilen: Will LVM be a good workaround? |
| 14:56.30 | babilen | waka: Do you have a (different) /etc/asound.conf? |
| 14:56.40 | waka | well I had it the same |
| 14:56.50 | waka | I guess I can remove the asoundrc then? |
| 14:57.19 | babilen | comradekingu: You still want the physical partititions (PVs in that case) to be properly aligned |
| 14:57.26 | babilen | waka: yes |
| 14:57.29 | waka | http://paste.debian.net/110016/ |
| 14:57.34 | waka | that is in asoundrc now |
| 14:57.51 | waka | I will remove it just to leave the etc conf |
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| 14:58.24 | babilen | waka: Yeah, try that. And make sure that everything sound related is restarted :) |
| 14:59.11 | waka | how do I do that at one go? |
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| 14:59.21 | waka | can I just do it from pulse? |
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| 14:59.59 | waka | pulseaudio manager? |
| 15:00.06 | waka | babilen? |
| 15:00.11 | babilen | one sec |
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| 15:01.51 | allgood | hi folks... i need a little off-topic help |
| 15:01.54 | babilen | waka: sorry, give me a few minutes. easiest way is probably to reboot, but you just want to restart the PA service and alsa... |
| 15:02.08 | Lumpus | how do i enable my second monitor with my nvidia 460gtx card? |
| 15:02.20 | allgood | a customer is complaining that his flash app isn't accessible outside its own internet provider |
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| 15:02.57 | allgood | could some of you please try to download the following URL and report me success and failures? |
| 15:03.03 | allgood | http://200.180.63.100/Erp/Erp2.swf |
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| 15:03.06 | nn102400 | waka, pulse audio is just a nusense. It like sticking a broken middle man into the audio system. Every time I get a debian/ubuntu system. I alwasy have to purge pulse audio from the system to get anything working right. Mainly the microphone but many other programs have bugs connecting with pulse as well. |
| 15:03.25 | waka | for this old computer of mine |
| 15:03.32 | waka | 40GB disc |
| 15:03.34 | allgood | i tried from two internet providers and both worked |
| 15:03.40 | newwer | does debian repo have codeblocks ? |
| 15:03.54 | waka | very old in deed, I could only get pulse workin with the driver I have |
| 15:04.45 | waka | but I think I better invest a few more bucks on a better driver,(hardware) hoping that will make a difference of course. nn102400 |
| 15:04.55 | newwer | tell codeblocks |
| 15:05.01 | newwer | !tell codeblocks |
| 15:05.23 | waka | babilen let me reboot but I really never wanted to do that hehe. Have an assignment pending |
| 15:06.32 | waka | babilen: why is editint the conf necessary btw. it'd have been nicer if that got generated automagically too, but I complain |
| 15:06.39 | nn102400 | waka, just forget about pulse .. use the real audio system alsa .. just skip the middle man and skip all the issues he causes. |
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| 15:07.32 | waka | alsa din work for me on the emu10k1x and I have tried |
| 15:07.45 | waka | or I gave up |
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| 15:10.53 | jfcaron | If dpkg has forgotten where all my package files live, but the list of actual installed packages still exists (I can apt-get remove them for example, but the files don't get removed), is there a way to "rebuild" that list of files for each package? |
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| 15:13.48 | waka | babilen: what does your etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc say? |
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| 15:15.33 | RocketLauncher | i cant see text like ( ï¾âï¾)ï½±ï¾ï¾å
«å
«ï¾ã½ï¾ã½ï¾ã½ï¾ ï¼¼ / ï¼¼/ ï¼¼ |
| 15:15.36 | RocketLauncher | it comse up as blocks |
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| 15:18.19 | babilen | waka: ICEWEASEL_DSP="none (never touched that) |
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| 15:19.39 | waka | babilen: I put aoss in there |
| 15:19.39 | babilen | RocketLauncher: You probably want to install more fonts. In particular japanese ones. |
| 15:19.42 | waka | but nothing |
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| 15:19.54 | RocketLauncher | babilen, i've used the same font in another distro and it showed up right |
| 15:20.01 | PF | ccc |
| 15:20.07 | babilen | waka: Do you see iceweasel in pavucontrol? |
| 15:20.24 | babilen | RocketLauncher: Where do you get those blocks? |
| 15:20.57 | RocketLauncher | everywhere |
| 15:21.07 | waka | babilen: Under what? no |
| 15:21.32 | babilen | ,info pavucontrol |
| 15:21.34 | judd | Package pavucontrol (sound, optional) in squeeze/i386: PulseAudio Volume Control. Version: 0.9.9-1; Size: 125.8k; Installed: 952k; Homepage: http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/pavucontrol/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/pavucontrol |
| 15:21.38 | babilen | waka: there ^^^^ |
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| 15:23.23 | babilen | waka: Or anything under "Output Devices" ? |
| 15:24.04 | waka | babilen: No |
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| 15:24.13 | babilen | waka: Also: Is "Master" unmuted and set to a sufficiently high volume in "alsamixer" ? |
| 15:24.26 | waka | babilen: I have started Rhythmbox and I could see it there but not Ff |
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| 15:24.56 | babilen | waka: Hmm, that is strange. Have you restarted everything after you've fiddled with the PA configuration? Iceweasel, alsa, PA, .. ? (easiest way is probably a reboot) |
| 15:25.04 | waka | babilen |
| 15:25.06 | waka | yeah |
| 15:25.07 | babilen | waka |
| 15:25.27 | waka | sorry yeah, I did reboot |
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| 15:25.45 | strings | Hi, i am not able to find debian 5 iso anywhere in net? |
| 15:26.08 | babilen | waka: Could you revert your change to /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc please, restart iceweasel again and try it. It works without problems here :-\ and I am out of ideas |
| 15:26.30 | babilen | !tell strings -about install lenny |
| 15:27.02 | waka | Babilen: okay. I have quite a long list in Devices in alsa volume control and master is not muted and it is up |
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| 15:28.51 | waka | my rc had dsp I think |
| 15:28.53 | waka | from memory |
| 15:29.30 | waka | babilen: let me put none and see what happens |
| 15:29.33 | babilen | Hmm, I just get "PulseAudio" as card and Chip in "alsamixer" (it is the default, i can select others with F6) |
| 15:29.42 | waka | and btw I realised a beep coming from somewhere |
| 15:29.52 | babilen | oh no, ghost beeps :) |
| 15:29.54 | waka | haven't had beeps for a while |
| 15:29.56 | waka | hehe |
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| 15:33.04 | waka | babilen:nothing |
| 15:33.07 | babilen | waka: do you use gnome? |
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| 15:33.21 | waka | yeah |
| 15:33.30 | waka | Iv got KDE 4 to |
| 15:33.42 | waka | babilen: what are you using? |
| 15:34.22 | babilen | waka: awesomewm (but that is probably unrelated) -- You might want to make sure that PA is the default output device ... |
| 15:34.24 | waka | babilen: will make a new user and see if my problem will disappear |
| 15:34.29 | babilen | waka: good idea |
| 15:34.51 | waka | babilen: how do I ensure it's default? |
| 15:35.02 | waka | where do I check? |
| 15:35.21 | AthomIk | exise a way for overcloaking nvidia gt 430 in linux,only find old software for old CG series |
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| 15:35.39 | babilen | waka: I don't know KDE, but there is probably some "Configure Sound" thingie in the admin/configuration whijazzadie |
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| 15:36.21 | waka | Babilen: dont know, Im in gnome now |
| 15:36.42 | babilen | waka: You might also want to make sure that you have the latest version of flash installed. You can upgrade adobe flash (installed with the flashplugin-nonfree package) by running "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" as root |
| 15:37.13 | babilen | waka: It is System â Sound â Device in Gnome |
| 15:37.27 | waka | babilen: I am just seeing an update coming up for firmware-linux-free and linux-base |
| 15:37.44 | waka | sometimes I wish one update will streamline my sound hehe |
| 15:37.54 | babilen | waka: You see that when you run "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" ? |
| 15:37.55 | waka | and I thought it had to do with flash |
| 15:38.06 | babilen | (as root that is) |
| 15:38.12 | waka | iv done that |
| 15:38.37 | waka | I have updated flash an hour ago |
| 15:38.38 | babilen | ok, so you should have the latest flash version. Does it work as the new user in gnome? |
| 15:38.57 | babilen | waka: ok, just wanted to tick that box on the "things that might have to do with this" list |
| 15:39.00 | waka | babilen: well haven done that yet |
| 15:39.06 | waka | the beeps |
| 15:39.21 | waka | what did i pres |
| 15:39.29 | waka | everything I am typing is beeping |
| 15:39.32 | waka | hehe |
| 15:39.32 | babilen | !bell |
| 15:39.32 | dpkg | To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. See also <pcspkr>, <shell beep>, <metacity bell bug>. |
| 15:39.39 | waka | hehe |
| 15:39.40 | waka | thanks |
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| 15:40.27 | babilen | no problem. never understood (not impaired) users who want that |
| 15:40.51 | waka | but xset is not permanent |
| 15:40.52 | waka | is it? |
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| 15:43.04 | babilen | !tell waka about pcspkr |
| 15:43.37 | babilen | waka: Hei, I have to go :-\ Good luck ... |
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| 16:32.31 | csgg | Hello! Sorry to pop in an ask for help, but I have a small question: When I add a symlink (`ls -s') to a certain directory (~/Downloads/Music) to my WWW directory, everything works just fine, except when I add a symlink to a certain directory. |
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| 16:32.47 | csgg | I.E. Folders 1 and 2 are accessable, but 3 gives the user a 403 error. |
| 16:33.12 | csgg | Could it be the fact that the folder is so large (22GB+) - what can I do to fix this? |
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| 16:33.32 | ElDiabolo | csgg, www-data is not allowed to read there. |
| 16:33.41 | ElDiabolo | probably |
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| 16:34.38 | csgg | ElDiabolo: I'll try changing the owner real quick. |
| 16:35.11 | csgg | ElDiabolo: That worked, so it's a permission problem. Thank you! |
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| 16:35.54 | ElDiabolo | csgg, Uh, do not change the owner to www-data, if this is accessible over the internet. |
| 16:36.24 | csgg | ElDiabolo: It's not currently, this was just a test. -- How can I keep the owner as `david' (me) and allow www-data to access it? |
| 16:36.39 | ElDiabolo | csgg, Use group permissions. |
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| 16:37.15 | cheasee_ | Adduser david www-data |
| 16:37.24 | ElDiabolo | csgg, or make the files world readable |
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| 16:38.19 | csgg | ElDiabolo: That worked! Thank you -- do you have a PayPal? I always offer to donate $5 to those who help me -- now matter how large or small. |
| 16:38.23 | ElDiabolo | csgg, The latter is what you actually do with www publishing ... |
| 16:38.39 | ElDiabolo | csgg, Na, forget about that. |
| 16:38.44 | csgg | Okay, thank you. |
| 16:38.46 | csgg | Bye! |
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| 16:50.12 | asarch | Why the flashplugin-nonfree works fine in only one user account? |
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| 16:50.29 | asarch | All the rests doesn't show the video |
| 16:50.36 | asarch | s/doesn't/don't/ |
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| 16:52.56 | superstraw | maybe the plugin is in just one user's home directory? |
| 16:53.58 | Ticho_ | asarch: maybe other users are not in correct groups ? |
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| 16:55.07 | justin_ | asarch: does it show up in about:plugins ? |
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| 16:56.15 | asarch | The flash plugin works only once |
| 16:57.17 | asarch | I delete ~/.mozilla or ~/.config/google-chrome, start a new session, go to YouTube, watch any video, close the navigator window, restart again and bum! there is no video |
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| 16:58.17 | km | what's a good wireless app that i can use to autodect and setup wireless connection? |
| 16:58.44 | asarch | NetworkManager with its applet km |
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| 16:58.52 | asarch | Or wicd km |
| 16:59.03 | km | thanks |
| 16:59.10 | asarch | Good luck! |
| 16:59.11 | asarch | :-) |
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| 17:01.57 | t0th | hi |
| 17:02.08 | t0th | i am tryng use crontab to send email |
| 17:02.12 | t0th | but the email dont send |
| 17:02.15 | t0th | can help me? |
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| 17:02.40 | boudiccas | t0th, i'm not surprised, crontab is not a MTA |
| 17:03.56 | t0th | hmm |
| 17:04.01 | t0th | i have a jobs in crontab |
| 17:04.08 | t0th | i need send email ehwn the job is executed |
| 17:04.11 | t0th | but cant send |
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| 17:07.59 | llutz | t0th: you need something like ssmtp/msmtp or nullmailer, if not using a "real" mta |
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| 17:09.22 | gcdd | I have one more question regarding Apache2 on Debian -- I added a .htaccess to password-protect a directory, and now in the default directory, the folder isn't listed. |
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| 17:09.35 | gcdd | http://david.bot.nu/ -- there should be a `downloads' directory. |
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| 17:10.39 | anoob | i cannot compile sflphone: "No package 'webkit-1.0' found", any ideia? |
| 17:10.54 | gcdd | anoob: Install webkit-1.0 from the repository? |
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| 17:13.10 | anoob | gcdd, http://pastebin.com/MiRZUTzd |
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| 17:15.16 | gcdd | anoob: Try compiling WebKit from source & installing it? |
| 17:15.21 | gcdd | I don't know if that makes sense. |
| 17:16.43 | anoob | gcdd, don't any of these packages are useful? |
| 17:17.13 | gcdd | anoob: I really don't know -- wait for someone else to answer you. |
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| 17:18.23 | geekbri | Is there a free alternative to VMware server that can run vmware virtual machines for squeeze? |
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| 17:19.11 | buntunub | !info kvm |
| 17:19.28 | dachary | Hi, how can I change the state of an RFP into an ITP ? |
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| 17:20.09 | geekbri | i thought KVM was only for linux VM's ? |
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| 17:22.20 | ZykoticK9 | geekbri, i know it's possible to convert VMware images to VBox - I've only tried it once mind you, so not sure about quality/stability/etc. |
| 17:22.48 | geekbri | Damn, looks likem my company may be paying for a vmware server :) |
| 17:23.15 | geekbri | I need to convert an active directory domain controller to a VM so we can ditch the physical serveri its on.... |
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| 17:27.56 | spal | I need to write some data files to a blank CD? which tool do you recommend? |
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| 17:29.57 | casts | wodim |
| 17:30.22 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:33.32 | gnugr | spal: sound-juicer |
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| 17:35.12 | gnugr | spal: brasero |
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| 17:35.26 | gcdd | Running Apache 2: I password protected a directory using .htaccess, and now the passworded directory is not listed in the parent directory (see http://david.bot.nu/ - a folder named `downloads' should be listed). What can I do to fix this? |
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| 17:37.58 | spal | gnugr: you are suggesting me GUI software? no console based software, that would simply take a folder and write it to the disc? |
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| 17:38.39 | gnugr | use brasero to write anything |
| 17:38.59 | cahoot | spal: genisoimage + wodim |
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| 17:40.42 | gnugr | gcdd: passwd on apache2? or you meant on mysql-server? |
| 17:41.15 | superstraw | i'm trying to figure out how to get sed to append any line that begins with any letter to the previous line which begins with a number. my brain hurts. |
| 17:42.30 | spal | cahoot: okay. thank you. |
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| 17:43.44 | superstraw | sed 'N;s/\n//;P;D;' phone.log > out ---- this works but puts a ^M between the two lines... i don't want that :( |
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| 17:44.33 | gcdd | gnugr: No, I mean I created a .htaccess file in a directory, so to access it you must provide a username & password. |
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| 17:45.23 | gnugr | gcdd: did you give rights this file? |
| 17:45.54 | gcdd | gnugr: Yes (755). The password shizzle works, but the directory it's in isn't listed in it's parent dir |
| 17:46.02 | gnugr | gcdd: 775 |
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| 17:47.22 | gnugr | gcdd: then chown -R www-data:www-data * |
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| 17:48.30 | gcdd | gnugr: Same thing. If you go to http://david.bot.nu/, you'll see no directory listed, but http://david.bot.nu/downloads/ exists. |
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| 17:49.29 | gnugr | gcdd: you need mysql data server |
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| 17:50.07 | gnugr | or perhaps you use lampp? |
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| 17:50.34 | gcdd | gnugr: I use Apache 2. Why would I need to install MySQL server for this? |
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| 17:51.12 | gnugr | gcdd: you don't need passwd on apache2 |
| 17:51.37 | gnugr | apach2 works auto when you start your PC |
| 17:51.44 | gnugr | apache2* |
| 17:51.54 | gcdd | gnugr: I'm not talking about passwords. I added a .htaccess to a certain directory (/downloads) that means that, to access that directory, you must enter a username and password. |
| 17:52.04 | gcdd | I'm not talking about passwd* |
| 17:52.13 | gnugr | never passwd on apache2 |
| 17:53.00 | gcdd | gnugr: I didn't passwd. |
| 17:53.02 | gnugr | gcdd: passwd only on mysql-server and phpmyadmin |
| 17:53.31 | gnugr | gcdd: create a data-base with mysql |
| 17:53.48 | gcdd | gnugr: I used `htpasswd' to create the password file, if that's what you mean. |
| 17:53.48 | gnugr | oh ic |
| 17:54.11 | gnugr | main passwd for all |
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| 17:54.45 | jackspike | what is free software for video surveilance? |
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| 17:55.20 | abrotman | wtf was that? |
| 17:55.28 | jackspike | software |
| 17:55.31 | jackspike | like motions |
| 17:55.32 | abrotman | jackspike: a general video capture device |
| 17:55.38 | abrotman | jackspike: no, the "wtf" wasn't for you :) |
| 17:55.43 | jackspike | k |
| 17:55.45 | jackspike | :) |
| 17:55.50 | jackspike | what kind of device |
| 17:55.52 | jackspike | webcam? |
| 17:55.57 | jackspike | or security cam |
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| 17:56.23 | abrotman | there are tons of basic apps for viewing video .. xawtv and cheese come to mind |
| 17:57.05 | gcdd | Running Apache 2: I password protected a directory using .htaccess, and now the passworded directory is not listed in the parent directory (see http://david.bot.nu/ - a folder named `downloads' should be listed). What can I do to fix this? (The .htaccess file is here -- http://pastebin.com/7tZsFyYH) |
| 17:57.46 | gcdd | The `</Limit.' is actually `</Limit>' -- pasted it wrong. |
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| 18:03.59 | jhutchins_lt | gcdd: Have you considered consulting the docs at apache.org? |
| 18:04.07 | dachary | I would like to ensure that when a package compiles against a C++ library ( libbpp-core2 ) the ${shlib:Depends} expands to libbpp-core2 (>= 2.4.0) . At the moment ${shlib:Depends} expands to libbpp-core2 without a version number attached. I would very much appreciate help on how to add a version constraint. |
| 18:04.16 | jhutchins_lt | gcdd: There's also #apache |
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| 18:05.04 | dachary | reading http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html |
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| 18:05.52 | gcdd | jhutchins_lt: Okay - cheers. |
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| 18:06.34 | themill | dachary: at this stage, you'd probably do better asking in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
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| 18:13.45 | spal | mrxvt is consuming my alt+1, alt+2 keystrokes and as a result i am unable to switch windows in irssi. how can I change the key combinations for mrxvt? |
| 18:13.52 | ferr | Fira is a spammer |
| 18:14.26 | cahoot | spal: tried esc + # ? |
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| 18:15.45 | spal | cahoot: when I press esc + # in an mrxvt tab, it prompts with '(arg: 3)'. what does it do? |
| 18:15.48 | dachary | themill: thanks |
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| 18:18.26 | Bushmills | spal: try esc 3 0 to see three zeroes |
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| 18:18.46 | Bushmills | ehm, not quite ... |
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| 18:19.00 | Bushmills | do esc 3 x instead |
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| 18:19.46 | ajikeshi | hi... short programming question: is there a nice OS c++ library for networking (planning to write a mud server) or do i have to use c-sockets? |
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| 18:21.37 | JordiGH | Can I force aptitude to remove dpkg? This is a purely academic question. |
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| 18:23.13 | Bushmills | JordiGH: you'll probably get a warning that dpkg is an essential package, but you can force removal |
| 18:23.39 | JordiGH | Bushmills: It just suggests as a solution to not remove dpkg and doesn't let me pick another solution. :P |
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| 18:24.51 | Bushmills | don't look at the solutions. instead, replay to the prompt "yes, i am sure that i want to remove this package" or however it was formulated |
| 18:24.55 | Bushmills | reply |
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| 18:26.49 | spal | Bushmills: how would esc 3 x help me/ |
| 18:26.51 | spal | ?* |
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| 18:27.19 | Wilthril | hi guys |
| 18:27.19 | Bushmills | spal: it shows you what esc # (or actually, esc 3) does |
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| 18:27.43 | Bushmills | that was your question, after all: "what does it do?" |
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| 18:27.58 | spal | Bushmills: yes, but how does it solve my problem of mrxvt? |
| 18:28.19 | spal | Bushmills: well, I asked how to prevent mrxvt from consuming my Alt+1, Alt+2 keystrokes so that irssi can get it. |
| 18:28.19 | Bushmills | i replied to your last question only. |
| 18:28.22 | spal | oh |
| 18:28.32 | spal | oh okay |
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| 18:31.36 | Hans_Henrik | does the ntfs mounting care about the read-only/write access settings on ntfs partitions? |
| 18:32.06 | spal | earlier cdrom mounting usd to happen as: /dev/cdrom --> /media/cdrom. Now it happens as /dev/sr0 --> /media/<CD-LABEL> Why? |
| 18:32.12 | spal | now meaning in wheezy |
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| 18:33.54 | Bushmills | usbmoun config, probably. look into /var/run/usbmount when mounted |
| 18:35.01 | spal | Bushmills: there is no such file /var/run/usbmount |
| 18:35.22 | Bushmills | then it's prolly not caused by usbmount. |
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| 18:41.03 | Michael_Behman | Guys, sort of an off topic question, anyone knows where I can get help on makefiles? |
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| 18:43.00 | themill | Michael_Behman: ##workingset, perhaps. |
| 18:43.34 | spal | Michael_Behman: ##workingset |
| 18:44.28 | Michael_Behman | Thanks a lot themill and spal. |
| 18:45.19 | simonrvn | whoah, i did not know that existed |
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| 18:49.58 | ahammond | how do I upgrade my kernel? |
| 18:50.23 | jhutchins_lt | ahammond: From what to what? |
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| 18:50.39 | ahammond | 2.6.18 to 2.6.32 |
| 18:50.59 | ahammond | I see linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 when I do dpkg -l |
| 18:51.10 | ahammond | so, I'm wondering why it's running the old kernel. |
| 18:51.20 | jhutchins_lt | What release is it? |
| 18:51.27 | ahammond | 6 |
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| 18:51.41 | jhutchins_lt | Where did you get 18 from? |
| 18:51.42 | themill | ahammond: what's the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg apt; uname -a" ? (stick it in a pastebin; /msg dpkg paste) |
| 18:52.48 | ahammond | http://pastebin.com/3rnf3MpE |
| 18:53.04 | ahammond | on a possibly related note, I'm trying to disable IPv6 (this is a dedicated DB server) |
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| 18:53.55 | ahammond | I updated /etc/modprobe.d/aliases.conf with alias net-pf-10 off |
| 18:53.58 | themill | ahammond: this machine is a xen guest? |
| 18:54.04 | ahammond | themill: correct |
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| 18:55.31 | jhutchins_lt | !noipv6 |
| 18:55.31 | dpkg | To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for this change to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
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| 18:56.28 | jhutchins_lt | ahammond: Have you rebooted it since you upgraded? |
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| 18:56.59 | ahammond | jhutchins_lt: yes, several times. I noted that it switched to the new kernel after I upgraded that. I did not pay attention to the kernel after that. |
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| 18:57.44 | jhutchins_lt | ahammond: So what is/are your current question9s)? |
| 18:58.15 | ahammond | 1) How do I get rid of that old kernel so I know it's running the upgraded kernel? |
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| 18:58.32 | ahammond | (and that probably involves re-upgrading to the new kernel) |
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| 18:59.25 | jhutchins_lt | ahammond: Aptitude full-upgrade should give you the current kernel. uname -r will tell you which one is running You can use dpkg to remove the old kernel. |
| 18:59.39 | jhutchins_lt | ahammond: Or aptitude or apt-get for that matter. |
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| 19:01.32 | ahammond | ok, I run apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 and it says already the newest version & manually installed |
| 19:01.49 | ahammond | however uname -r tells me 2.6.18-6-xen-amd64 |
| 19:01.59 | ahammond | so... how do I switch kernels? |
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| 19:04.24 | AthomIk | have you try Option "CoolBits" "1" for last nvidia drivers, is for manage speed gpu and ram ? |
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| 19:06.02 | ahammond | ok, looks like it's not using lilo any more... grub? |
| 19:08.31 | jelly-home | too bad the new lilo didn't enter stable |
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| 19:08.40 | jelly-home | ,versions lilo |
| 19:08.42 | judd | Package lilo on i386 -- lenny: 1:22.8-7; squeeze: 1:22.8-10; sid: 1:23.1-1; wheezy: 1:23.1-1 |
| 19:09.18 | JordiGH | Hehe, I can't get aptitude to remove dpkg, even after I already typed out "I am aware that this is a very bad idea" |
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| 19:11.06 | jelly-home | ... |
| 19:11.52 | jelly-home | jelly-home: the obvious solution is to use dpkg to remove dpkg |
| 19:12.02 | jelly-home | jelly-home: ok |
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| 19:12.33 | JordiGH | JordiGH: Some people, eh? |
| 19:12.54 | ahammond | ah ha: "Debian Squeeze uses Grub 2, and the defaults are wrong for Xen"... so how do I fix it? |
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| 19:13.53 | Ornedan_ | What's up with nvidia-glx in unstable? It looks like it's not compatible with the xorg in unstable |
| 19:14.32 | abrotman | welcome to unstable .. you get to keep the broken bits! |
| 19:14.37 | themill | Ornedan_: welcome to sid! We hope you enjoy your stay.... it's even more fun with non-free software thrown in. |
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| 19:16.34 | jhutchins_lt | ahammond: Possibly just update-grub, but I don't know the xen specfics. |
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| 19:17.29 | PhoenixSTF | hello anyone knows smartphones os based on emdebian??? |
| 19:18.39 | geekbri | so other than familiarity is there a reason to use Xen over KVM if you are using debian squeeze? |
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| 19:20.38 | PhoenixSTF | geekbri, use Xen, in my experience Xen is more powerfull, KVM, is just a bit easier to work with... Altough Xen uses some KVM modules... |
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| 19:21.05 | Ornedan_ | Was kinda hoping I could have upgraded my xorg, since it leaks shittons of memory with some programs |
| 19:21.21 | geekbri | PhoenixSTF when you say more powerful, do you mean it seems to run the VM's faster or just as in more robust software |
| 19:21.26 | Ornedan_ | Like, say, okular |
| 19:22.01 | PhoenixSTF | geekbri, Boath acturaly |
| 19:22.05 | PhoenixSTF | geekbri, Boath actualy |
| 19:22.20 | geekbri | alright i'll look into Xen :) |
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| 19:23.09 | Wilthril | hi guys |
| 19:23.19 | Wilthril | i have a big security issue |
| 19:23.24 | PhoenixSTF | geekbri, it can run Paravirtualization with only 3% loss in computing, it has a good kernel for windows OS, and it is very but very robust |
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| 19:23.55 | Wilthril | i have samba shares mounted (with mount -t cifs) and when an user types "mount" it shows the mounts AND the username and password in plain text |
| 19:24.01 | PhoenixSTF | geekbri, you can download Citrix xen server for free i think, but if your going to use deb, use squeeze |
| 19:24.10 | Wilthril | is there any way to prevent that? i.e. mount does not show the passwords? |
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| 19:24.39 | geekbri | PhoenixSTF: yeah I have squeeze installed already so its just a matter of if i use qemu or xen i guess |
| 19:25.23 | PhoenixSTF | geekbri, u can use xen 4.01, the libvirt and the virtual machine manager to make it simpler |
| 19:25.41 | PhoenixSTF | for production that is what i recommend |
| 19:26.02 | doda | hi |
| 19:26.15 | PhoenixSTF | geekbri, speacialy if you have a cluster of machines and what to do migration! |
| 19:26.27 | doda | how do i configure power off by button? |
| 19:26.42 | PhoenixSTF | wilthril, m8 plaintext thru the network???? |
| 19:26.46 | geekbri | PhoenixSTF: its just one machine thats going to run 4-5 virtual machines, but i'll try to see if i can figure out xen :) |
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| 19:27.26 | Wilthril | PhoenixSTF: i use the root user to make the mount points, but since the mount command can be used by any user yes they can see it |
| 19:27.28 | PhoenixSTF | geekbri, your gonna spen a lot of time around it, but it is very powerfull, its worth your time |
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| 19:28.45 | Wilthril | PhoenixSTF: for example when i type mount i have //192.168.10.248/wilthril on /media/dns-313 type cifs (rw,username=wilthril,password=blablabla,uid=wilthril,gid=wilthril) |
| 19:29.33 | PhoenixSTF | Wilthril, ok i got it |
| 19:29.41 | jhutchins_lt | Wilthril: Where is it getting the info to mount? |
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| 19:30.04 | PhoenixSTF | Wilthril, you can store credentials in a text file that is for root only eyes! |
| 19:30.23 | jhutchins_lt | Wilthril: Do you have them in fstab now? |
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| 19:30.59 | Wilthril | nope it's not in fstab i run the mount command every time i boot |
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| 19:31.22 | Wilthril | well i use the mount by default, no settings have been changed |
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| 19:32.26 | Wilthril | i run mount -t cifs -o username=wilthril,password=blablabla,uid=wilthril,gid=wilthril //192.168.10.248/wilthril /media/dns-313 to mount it |
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| 19:34.05 | Wilthril | <PhoenixSTF> Wilthril, you can store credentials in a text file that is for root only eyes! << how do i do that? |
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| 19:34.54 | Wilthril | i thought about changing /bin/mount permissions but well that's a bit risky ^^' |
| 19:35.06 | PhoenixSTF | wilthril, wait a sec getting that for you |
| 19:35.11 | Wilthril | ok thanks |
| 19:36.14 | PhoenixSTF | wilthril, its a ubuntu forum but it might give you the idea http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-217341.html |
| 19:36.29 | Wilthril | great thanks :) |
| 19:37.00 | PhoenixSTF | wilthril, tell me if you got it working :) |
| 19:37.22 | Wilthril | sure i'm trying it right away ^^ |
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| 19:40.33 | Wilthril | mh thanks PhoenixSTF but if possible i'd like not to use fstab to mount, because it's a nas and well sometimes it's not connected to my LAN |
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| 19:41.15 | PhoenixSTF | wilthril, then when do you want it mounted? |
| 19:41.28 | Wilthril | when i want it :) |
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| 19:42.17 | PhoenixSTF | oh so you whant to put the command without anyone knowing the credentials |
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| 19:42.42 | PhoenixSTF | hmmmm |
| 19:42.47 | PhoenixSTF | how many computers there? |
| 19:42.49 | Wilthril | the credentials are not the problem, i mount it using a shell script and i give the password as a parameter, then i clear the history |
| 19:43.10 | catsup | insecure |
| 19:43.17 | Wilthril | 3 computers |
| 19:43.30 | catsup | what |
| 19:43.58 | Wilthril | i have my desktop pc, my htpc and my laptop on the same lan ^^ |
| 19:43.59 | jhutchins_lt | Wilthril: You can call the credentials file with the manual mount command. |
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| 19:44.18 | catsup | there's little use clearing the history because the password is available to any user who polls /proc/*/cmdline at the right moment |
| 19:44.34 | jhutchins_lt | Wilthril: If the share isn't found on the network mount will just fail, so you could still put it in fstab. |
| 19:44.42 | PhoenixSTF | wilthril, ok m8 but are you the only one to work with the machines? |
| 19:44.54 | Wilthril | yes i'm the only one so far :) |
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| 19:45.08 | PhoenixSTF | ok i dont understand why the securaty thing..... |
| 19:45.12 | catsup | why clear history |
| 19:45.22 | catsup | it's like locking your car door when the windows are open |
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| 19:45.35 | catsup | but hell i don't care, do what yu want, it's your car |
| 19:45.39 | Wilthril | i give the password as a parameter to my shell script, so the history keeps the password |
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| 19:45.59 | catsup | also, car analogies are the new hitler analogies, therefore i am out of this conversation |
| 19:46.09 | Wilthril | sorry if it's not clear :) |
| 19:46.09 | jhutchins_lt | Wilthril: As we said, use a credentials file instead. |
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| 19:46.20 | PhoenixSTF | wilthril, i dont understand why all the security, but if you want a workaround for the shell script, try a compiled c program.... |
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| 19:46.53 | catsup | PhoenixSTF: what good is that?? |
| 19:47.01 | Wilthril | ok but credentials are for mounting right? once mounted the issue will still be the same :S |
| 19:47.12 | jhutchins_lt | PhoenixSTF: Why when the correct solution is a credentials file? |
| 19:47.18 | jhutchins_lt | Wilthril: No. |
| 19:47.19 | PhoenixSTF | catsup unless you very good at reverse engeniring its a bit more secure |
| 19:47.25 | catsup | PhoenixSTF: omg, no |
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| 19:47.36 | jelly-home | Wilthril: you can give the password as an environment variable or pass it over a file descriptor (stdin will do) |
| 19:47.37 | catsup | SERENITY NOW |
| 19:47.40 | catsup | SERENITY NOW |
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| 19:47.53 | jhutchins_lt | Wilthril: Using the credentials file instead of the username and password in the command means no password in the history or on the mount command. |
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| 19:48.19 | jhutchins_lt | Wilthril: Try it. |
| 19:48.21 | Wilthril | and when i type "mount" to show the mounting points it will not show the parameters then? |
| 19:48.28 | erkan^ | hello, have debian --> thunderbird.deb ? |
| 19:48.30 | jelly-home | Wilthril: even if you munge the argv later, there's still a window of opportunity where it can be caught via /proc |
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| 19:48.46 | jhutchins_lt | Wilthril: It will show the path and name of the credentials file, which should be unreadable by a regular user. |
| 19:48.56 | jelly-home | catsup: however, there are kernel patches that hide /proc entries from other uids |
| 19:48.57 | erkan^ | !thunderbird |
| 19:48.57 | dpkg | Mozilla Thunderbird is replaced by Icedove in Debian as of Lenny. Ask me about <icedove>. |
| 19:48.58 | doda | how can i set the power button to execute poweroff on a old thinkpad t23 ? |
| 19:48.59 | Wilthril | ooooooh ok now i get it |
| 19:49.00 | PhoenixSTF | wilthrill, credentials with a shellscript is the best you can do... |
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| 19:49.17 | erkan^ | Icedove ? who is that? :/ |
| 19:49.20 | Wilthril | ok thanks a lot i'll do that then :) |
| 19:49.24 | doda | acpi works, at least in dmesg & battery applets |
| 19:49.33 | catsup | jelly-home: yep, that always seemed to me like it should be default |
| 19:49.36 | rioch | I'm installing squeeze netinst and have the message for my network card that my network adapter needs a missing firmware file (rtl8168d-1.fw, and says I can load it from removable media. How do I do that? |
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| 19:50.13 | TrueDD | hi everybody |
| 19:50.23 | PhoenixSTF | wilthril, like jhutchins said, in a folder with 600 permitions you have to sudo the script in order to read the credentials, and no one can read it unless its a root.... it is the best way, its in the forum read it carefuly |
| 19:51.06 | erkan^ | where can I found thunderbird.deb , PhoenixSTF ? |
| 19:51.09 | Wilthril | ok thanks again ^^ |
| 19:51.09 | PhoenixSTF | ok my turn for a question, DEBIAN on a cell phoen anybody???? |
| 19:51.24 | jhutchins_lt | !tell rioch about firmware |
| 19:51.25 | Wilthril | i have a htc desire with cyanogenmod sorry :P |
| 19:51.34 | PhoenixSTF | erkan^, have you check the reps? |
| 19:51.49 | jhutchins_lt | erkan^: It is renamed icedove. Same software. |
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| 19:52.08 | PhoenixSTF | wilthril, is it any good that fw? |
| 19:52.27 | Wilthril | yup runs better than original firmware with htc sense |
| 19:52.46 | PhoenixSTF | i have the android 2.1 on the gma 1305 |
| 19:52.56 | erkan^ | my os is Ubuntu 10.10, but i have a problem with Gmail in Thunderbird. A version for Thunderbird is 3.1.8, but i have seen by http://www.mozillamessaging.com/nl/thunderbird/ --> 3.1.9, that is possible --> imap fixed orso, ph |
| 19:52.56 | Wilthril | battery life is half a day longer |
| 19:53.08 | jelly-home | erkan^: ask in #ubuntu, please |
| 19:53.13 | jhutchins_lt | !ubuntu |
| 19:53.13 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 19:53.17 | erkan^ | they have very busy, jef |
| 19:53.24 | erkan^ | jelly, |
| 19:53.39 | erkan^ | i am searching --> thunderbird.deb on debian.org |
| 19:53.40 | jhutchins_lt | erkan^: Doesn't matter, this is not Ubuntu. |
| 19:53.46 | jelly-home | erkan^: we're not qualified to give you advice for your non-Debian distro |
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| 19:54.09 | erkan^ | ok |
| 19:54.11 | PhoenixSTF | erkan^, what is the problem? |
| 19:54.11 | jelly-home | erkan^: there's a generic ##linux channel as well |
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| 19:54.30 | jelly-home | PhoenixSTF: please discuss this with him on #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 19:54.30 | jhutchins_lt | PhoenixSTF: It's a non-debian problem. |
| 19:54.30 | erkan^ | i have a problem with imap (gmail) on thunderbird, PhoenixSTF |
| 19:54.38 | erkan^ | i was been by #ubuntu-bugs |
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| 19:54.49 | erkan^ | but they haven't solve a problem for me |
| 19:54.55 | PhoenixSTF | erkan^ ubuntu chanell |
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| 19:55.31 | catsup | erkan^: if people here answered ubuntu questions, pretty soon the whole channel would be filled with ubuntu users, so nobody answers ubuntu questions here. sorry. |
| 19:55.35 | PhoenixSTF | sorry guys :) |
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| 19:55.55 | PhoenixSTF | wilthril, and android apps works the same? |
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| 19:56.20 | Wilthril | PhoenixSTF: exactly the same, in my case a little bit smoother :) |
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| 19:56.34 | Wilthril | the only drawback is you can't get back htc apps |
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| 20:00.54 | jackspike | abrotman any easy and featureful ? vcd cutter win movie maker? |
| 20:01.05 | abrotman | who wha? |
| 20:01.07 | abrotman | oh .. no idea |
| 20:01.13 | abrotman | cutter? |
| 20:01.22 | Wilthril | avidemux? |
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| 20:01.32 | PhoenixSTF | wilthril, i have a cell phone made by gigabyte, and the FW is modified by the local telecom, they stick it with games and crap, and it runs very slow, and they actualy cut the processor to 460 mhz instead of the actual 600 |
| 20:01.35 | jackspike | its an ap |
| 20:01.42 | rioch | jhutchins_lt: Following that guide doesn't proove fruitful. The message keeps popping up. I've even tried the unofficial non-free iso. I've search the package archive and the firmware appears to be in non-free (realtek). Any ideas? |
| 20:01.51 | PhoenixSTF | wilthril, i hate big brother..... and that how i fell with this FW |
| 20:02.02 | Wilthril | PhoenixSTF: you need to root the phone first :P |
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| 20:02.23 | PhoenixSTF | wilthril, do you have any info on that :) i would realy apriciate! :) |
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| 20:02.59 | jhutchins_lt | rioch: Did you check the <installer firmware> message? |
| 20:03.04 | gp5st | hello. I have lenny and would like to use upstart. Is there anyway to only pull the upstart package from squeeze? |
| 20:03.29 | jhutchins_lt | !tell rioch about installer firmware |
| 20:03.29 | Wilthril | PhoenixSTF: best place to go is http://forum.xda-developers.com/ |
| 20:03.38 | jhutchins_lt | gp5st: It's available. |
| 20:03.40 | jhutchins_lt | !upstart |
| 20:03.40 | dpkg | it has been said that upstart is an event-based replacement for the /sbin/init daemon which handles starting of tasks and services during boot, stopping them during shutdown and supervising them while the system is running. http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/09/msg00003.html |
| 20:04.16 | PhoenixSTF | wilthril, thanks mk8 i how you! |
| 20:04.22 | jackspike | can i use security camera with pc and use a surveilance software with it? |
| 20:04.32 | rioch | jhutchins_lt: if you mean putting the firmware tarball on a usb stick, I tried that. Did you mean that? |
| 20:04.34 | gp5st | jhutchins_lt: i'm not sure how that answers my question. perhaps we're not understanding each other |
| 20:04.37 | Wilthril | no problem :) |
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| 20:04.57 | Wilthril | if you can root your phone you can do *anything* with it |
| 20:05.30 | Wilthril | basically it's like being root on your debian ^^ |
| 20:05.30 | jhutchins_lt | rioch: No, I meant whatever dpkg told you about installer firmware. I don't actually know the process myself. |
| 20:05.33 | jamesbond-4711 | hi |
| 20:05.52 | jhutchins_lt | rioch: Just trying to give you the resources I know about. |
| 20:06.08 | jamesbond-4711 | when I connect to my debian system with ssh, I get see the this message: http://pastebin.com/gUN6AL3w |
| 20:06.17 | gp5st | jhutchins_lt: apt claims upstart isn't available for me, and I've found other post saying it's available in squeeze. I am trying to figure out how to use squeeze's repos for upstart, but not other programs |
| 20:06.23 | jamesbond-4711 | how can I avoid this message from being displayed? |
| 20:06.32 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions upstart |
| 20:06.34 | judd | Package upstart on i386 -- sid: 0.6.6-1; squeeze: 0.6.6-1; wheezy: 0.6.6-1 |
| 20:06.49 | jhutchins_lt | gp5st: Pastebin your sources.list |
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| 20:07.34 | jhutchins_lt | gp5st: Understand that it's a work in progress and only works on certain hardware. |
| 20:07.35 | gp5st | jhutchins_lt: http://pastebin.com/dV5isc3T |
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| 20:08.22 | gp5st | jhutchins_lt: why is upstart hardware dependent? I'll check into that, though\ |
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| 20:08.47 | jhutchins_lt | gp5st: judd's response implies that it should be in main, but you might want to add contrib and non-free to your deb lines. |
| 20:09.13 | jhutchins_lt | gp5st: What command did you try to find or install it? |
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| 20:09.26 | gp5st | jhutchins_lt: this is lenny though. apt-get install upstart |
| 20:09.52 | gp5st | jhutchins_lt: http://pastebin.com/FPNftWv5 |
| 20:09.54 | jhutchins_lt | gp5st: oh, I thought you said stable or squeeze. No, upstart is not available for lenny. |
| 20:10.17 | gp5st | i thought lenny was the (current) stable version |
| 20:10.36 | gp5st | nvm |
| 20:10.42 | gp5st | guess i'm just behind the times |
| 20:10.44 | jhutchins_lt | gp5st: As of 5 February lenny is oldstable and squeeze is stable. |
| 20:10.55 | gp5st | gotchya |
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| 20:11.14 | rioch | jhutchins_lt: it appears (not tried yet) that the firmware tarball doesn't have everything that's in firmware-non-free :s |
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| 20:11.33 | jamesbond-4711 | anyone who wants to help me with my ssh question...? |
| 20:11.49 | rioch | jhutchins_lt: ps. thanks for the links they've been a great help btw |
| 20:11.52 | gp5st | would you have a recommendation for a replacement? I'm really looking for a process monitor. (I have to stick with 5 since that's what linode is using) |
| 20:11.54 | phoenixsampras | hello, ive just upgraded the kernel, but its stucked at moment of booting, how to rollback to the previous kernel? |
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| 20:12.14 | jhutchins_lt | jamesbond-4711: man sshd.conf |
| 20:12.47 | jamesbond-4711 | jhutchins_lt: When I connect to my debian system with ssh, I get see the this message: http://pastebin.com/gUN6AL3w - how can I prevent the message from being displayed? |
| 20:12.53 | jhutchins_lt | gp5st: You're pretty much stuck with sysV init. |
| 20:13.03 | jamesbond-4711 | I read the man page, but did not find the solution... :( |
| 20:13.19 | jhutchins_lt | gp5st: Although I know a guy who wrote his own replacement... |
| 20:13.24 | gp5st | jhutchins_lt: it doesn't have to strictly be a starup manager, but I do need something to respawn dead procs |
| 20:14.04 | jhutchins_lt | jamesbond-4711: Understood. man sshd_config, sorry. |
| 20:14.43 | jhutchins_lt | gp5st: That can be done via init, but I don't know the details. It may be as simple as launching them from inittab. |
| 20:15.03 | gp5st | that won't restart them if they die though? |
| 20:15.12 | jamesbond-4711 | jhutchins_lt: actually, the message is being displayed twice on each login |
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| 20:16.56 | phoenixsampras | help plz |
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| 20:18.49 | jhutchins_lt | jamesbond-4711: Is it displayed for a regular shell login? |
| 20:19.27 | jamesbond-4711 | jhutchins_lt: I found PrintMotd no |
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| 20:19.46 | jamesbond-4711 | jhutchins_lt: now it is being displayed only once (not twice anymore) |
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| 20:21.04 | jamesbond-4711 | jhutchins_lt: what do you mean with "regular shell login"? |
| 20:21.12 | jhutchins_lt | jamesbond-4711: It was being displayed once by ssh and once by your shell. Now it is being displayed by your shell just as it is when you log in to a console. |
| 20:21.34 | jamesbond-4711 | jhutchins_lt: so I have to edit .bashrc I guess...? |
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| 20:22.36 | phoenixsampras | S.O.S. |
| 20:22.44 | Dark_Wolf | Hey, I'm having some trouble with a new Debian install... it seems there is no USB support, and I don't have the slightest idea why. Isn't USB support included in the default kernel? |
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| 20:23.18 | jhutchins_lt | jamesbond-4711: Another way would be to move/delete /etc/motd |
| 20:23.42 | jamesbond-4711 | jhutchins_lt: oic - that seems to be the simplest solution - thx! |
| 20:23.49 | jhutchins_lt | Dark_Wolf: USB support is present in all current releases of Debian as far as I know. |
| 20:24.23 | Dark_Wolf | I tried running lsmod | grep USB, but no results came up... none of my USB devices are showing any activity (iPod not charging, flash drive not in /dev) |
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| 20:24.25 | gp5st | anyone know of a good supervisor that I can use in lenny. runit could work, but it's a sysv replacement. supervisor looks interesting but I don't know a lot about it and dont' see it in the repo |
| 20:24.45 | jhutchins_lt | Dark_Wolf: It might be useful to tell us what architecture and release you're on. |
| 20:25.01 | jhutchins_lt | Dark_Wolf: Ipod not charging argues for a bad port. Hardware, not software. |
| 20:25.14 | Dark_Wolf | iPods don't charge until the driver is loaded though |
| 20:25.23 | Dark_Wolf | Running Squeeze netinstall i386 |
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| 20:25.25 | jhutchins_lt | Dark_Wolf: Mine does. |
| 20:25.36 | Dark_Wolf | Is it a touch? :/ |
| 20:25.47 | Dark_Wolf | Mine usually doesn't come to life until after it's installed |
| 20:25.47 | jhutchins_lt | Dark_Wolf: Shuffle I think. |
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| 20:26.11 | Dark_Wolf | I'll stick a drive with a light in and see what happens |
| 20:26.13 | jhutchins_lt | Dark_Wolf: Charging is a function of the USB ports power pins. |
| 20:26.41 | Dark_Wolf | I realize that, but my experience with my iPod says otherwise... |
| 20:27.05 | rioch | jhutchins_lt: Ok it seems that it was loading the firmware, but going back to the same screen asking to load firmware. When I continued it worked. Is this something I should report? |
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| 20:27.09 | jhutchins_lt | dmesg | tail 10 should show activity if you attach a device. |
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| 20:27.25 | Dark_Wolf | I've confirmed the ports are fine and providing power now |
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| 20:28.12 | Dark_Wolf | And dmesg isn't returning anything that would indicate a device being connected |
| 20:28.28 | Dark_Wolf | Last line is "podev: user-space parallel port driver" |
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| 20:29.34 | jhutchins_lt | Dark_Wolf: usbcore loaded? |
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| 20:29.47 | jhutchins_lt | Dark_Wolf: dmesg | grep usb |
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| 20:31.58 | Dark_Wolf | jhutchins_lt: no results |
| 20:32.36 | jhutchins_lt | Dark_Wolf: Really, no resultas at all to the dmesg grep? |
| 20:32.40 | Dark_Wolf | Nope |
| 20:32.48 | Dark_Wolf | Just falls back to prompt |
| 20:33.01 | Dark_Wolf | Does it matter that I chose the non-default kernel while installing? |
| 20:33.05 | jhutchins_lt | Dark_Wolf: I suppose you could go through dmesg | less and see if there's anything suspicious... |
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| 20:33.12 | jhutchins_lt | Dark_Wolf: I presume lsusb returns nothing. |
| 20:33.27 | Dark_Wolf | Command not found |
| 20:33.33 | jhutchins_lt | Dark_Wolf: What hardware is this? |
| 20:33.42 | Dark_Wolf | Old. |
| 20:33.42 | jhutchins_lt | Dark_Wolf: Need to be root. |
| 20:33.50 | Dark_Wolf | Yeah, no dice on sudo either |
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| 20:34.22 | AthomIk | in windows xp i can change speed in gpu on nvidia GT 430, how i can make this in debian squeeze, i have propritary nvidia drivers ? |
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| 20:34.51 | jhutchins_lt | Dark_Wolf: dpkg -l | grep usb |
| 20:35.02 | phoenixsampras | hello, ive just upgraded the kernel, but its stucked at moment of booting, how to rollback to the previous kernel? << help plz |
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| 20:35.19 | jhutchins_lt | phoenixsampras: Choose previous kernel in grub menu |
| 20:35.36 | jhutchins_lt | Dark_Wolf: lsusb is in usbutils |
| 20:35.43 | Dark_Wolf | jhutchins_lt: Only result is libusb-0.1-4 |
| 20:36.08 | phoenixsampras | jhutchins_lt: where is the grub menu config file, in this VM, the grub menu passes so fast that i cant choice anything |
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| 20:37.20 | Dark_Wolf | jhutchins_lt: No results on lsusb after installing usbutils |
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| 20:37.35 | ragnar76 | hi all |
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| 20:39.19 | ragnar76 | i need for an emulator a tun/tap0 device. most descriptions how to get one, destroy me network settings. anyone can help me to setup the device? |
| 20:40.42 | purpur | phoenixsampras: it depends on your version of grub. if your are using grub1 than it is in /boot/grub/menu.lst. Grub2 may be different, i dont remember the exact file name |
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| 20:41.21 | phoenixsampras | purpur: im in initramfs , im able to edit the grub? |
| 20:42.47 | purpur | phoenixsampras: hm, i dont know. But if you have a lifecd of some linux, you should be able to mount your harddisk (or just boot partition) and change the settings |
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| 20:43.07 | phoenixsampras | ok ill try that |
| 20:43.18 | purpur | phoenixsampras: if you are fast enough you can try to hit "e" while booting |
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| 20:43.46 | Dark_Wolf | jhutchins_lt: Does it matter that I selected a different kernel option while I was installing? |
| 20:44.06 | purpur | phoenixsampras: that should put you in editing mode of grub. You can review the boot settings there and correct them. Afterwards hit "b" to boot and make changes permanent in menu.lst |
| 20:44.12 | jhutchins_lt | Dark_Wolf: I really don't have any idea about this. |
| 20:44.19 | jhutchins_lt | Dark_Wolf: What option? |
| 20:45.15 | Dark_Wolf | There were two options... one was a kernel with more numbers, I assumed it was better because it was more specific. The default option was generic |
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| 20:47.35 | Dark_Wolf | Does anyone else have an idea on why Debian would install with no USB support? |
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| 20:50.10 | mutante | Dark_Wolf: hrmm.. i think you need to start with that whole "EHCI or UHCI or OHCI" thing..like find out which of them its trying to use..or none |
| 20:50.56 | phoenixsampras | thanks purpur im trying |
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| 20:51.19 | mutante | Dark_Wolf: refering to this http://blogs.gurulabs.com/stuart/archives/2006/06/post.html |
| 20:51.31 | purpur | phoenixsampras: np. Good luck! |
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| 20:52.45 | Dark_Wolf | mutante: Likely UHCI or OHCI, considering the ports are 1.0 |
| 20:52.51 | AthomIk | in windows xp i can change speed in gpu on nvidia GT 430, how i can make this in debian squeeze, i have propritary nvidia drivers ? |
| 20:52.54 | AthomIk | :) |
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| 20:53.16 | jhutchins_lt | AthomIk: Ask nvidia. |
| 20:53.45 | AthomIk | jhutchins_lt: all are dead in this room :D |
| 20:53.57 | mutante | Dark_Wolf: lsmod | grep "[e|u|o]hci" |
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| 20:54.28 | jhutchins_lt | AthomIk: Doesn't magically give us knowledge of what Nvidia did in a proprietary package. |
| 20:54.30 | mutante | Dark_Wolf: on my desktop i see "uhci" and "ehci" and "usbcore" .. so i still wouldnt know either :p |
| 20:54.31 | Dark_Wolf | mutante: no results |
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| 20:55.42 | mutante | Dark_Wolf: hmmm.. that does not answer why, but its no wonder it does not work then |
| 20:56.02 | Dark_Wolf | I really don't want to reinstall |
| 20:56.02 | AthomIk | jhutchins_lt: yes is not a spécifique debian problems |
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| 20:56.12 | Dark_Wolf | It took like 3 hours |
| 20:56.29 | mutante | Dark_Wolf: hm.... lspci | grep "USB Controller" |
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| 20:56.48 | Dark_Wolf | mutante: nothing |
| 20:57.05 | mutante | Dark_Wolf: are you sure it has one? |
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| 20:57.14 | Dark_Wolf | Has what? |
| 20:57.31 | mutante | USB Controller on the mainboard that worked with another OS before |
| 20:57.42 | Dark_Wolf | Yes, it worked fine with Lenny |
| 20:57.51 | jhutchins_lt | AthomIk: That kind of control would have to be enabled in the driver, and I would expect an nvidia-specific method of using it. |
| 20:57.55 | Dark_Wolf | I might just not have the appropriate kernel installed |
| 20:58.27 | AthomIk | jhutchins_lt: debian have package for this, but works with old nvidia cards |
| 20:58.44 | mutante | Dark_Wolf: well, not having the right kernel or kernel modules loaded is one thing, right. But not even seeing the hardware controller in "lspci"... hmmmm sounds like more of a problem to me |
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| 20:59.25 | AthomIk | Dark_Wolf: you have a debian kernel ? |
| 20:59.32 | mutante | Dark_Wolf: anything in "dmesg | grep USB" ? |
| 20:59.43 | Dark_Wolf | mutante: lspci only detects 6 devices, Host Bridge, Communication Controller, Ethernet controller, VGA controller, ISA Bridge, and IDE interface |
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| 21:00.04 | Dark_Wolf | mutante: nope |
| 21:00.08 | Dark_Wolf | AthomIk: yes |
| 21:00.28 | jhutchins_lt | Dark_Wolf: It's not seeing your controller. |
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| 21:00.37 | Dark_Wolf | Clearly :/ |
| 21:00.40 | Dark_Wolf | Can't see why |
| 21:00.44 | Dark_Wolf | the controller is working properly |
| 21:01.06 | AthomIk | Dark_Wolf: create a usb boot disk |
| 21:01.08 | mutante | interesting that you said it even worked in Lenny, not just on Windows or some other OS |
| 21:01.10 | AthomIk | and test |
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| 21:01.41 | Dark_Wolf | AthomIk: the USB ports are working fine, a boot disk won't do anything |
| 21:02.52 | ragnar76 | question, how can i switch to a specific soundcard in testing? |
| 21:03.08 | AthomIk | ragnar76: see aplay |
| 21:03.32 | jhutchins_lt | Dark_Wolf: Which kernel do you actually have? |
| 21:03.54 | Dark_Wolf | 2.6.32-5-486 |
| 21:04.03 | AthomIk | ragnar76: for test my sound on hdmi i find this aplay -Dhw:1,9 -f S16_LE -c2 -r44100 /usr/share/sounds/gnome/default/alerts/sonar.ogg |
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| 21:04.38 | Dark_Wolf | uname -a : linux trace 2.6.32-5-486 #1 Wed Jan 12 03:28:50 UTC 2011 i586 GNU/Linux |
| 21:04.45 | AthomIk | ragnar76: aplay -l give the number of device |
| 21:04.51 | mutante | Dark_Wolf: use a CD like from live.debian.net , see if it works there, if yes, see what exact modules it is loading and also find out the exact name of the controller chip |
| 21:05.10 | Dark_Wolf | mutante: I have no idea what you mean by any of that |
| 21:05.26 | Dark_Wolf | And USB works in livecds |
| 21:05.28 | AthomIk | Dark_Wolf: why a 486 kernel ? |
| 21:05.35 | Dark_Wolf | AthomIk: 486 machine |
| 21:06.27 | mutante | Dark_Wolf: great, then use any livecd that makes it work and copy all the information you can get there |
| 21:06.33 | AthomIk | Dark_Wolf: spécifique machine, because 486 have not usb... |
| 21:06.38 | mutante | Dark_Wolf: after that replicate that with your current OS |
| 21:06.45 | Dark_Wolf | AthomIk: HP Vectra 5 Series |
| 21:06.51 | ragnar76 | AthomIk: i see but i dont get it how it helps to get vlc/mp3/sound in general working. maybe i'm wrong but for me aplay looks like a player software similar to mpg123 or such |
| 21:07.04 | Dark_Wolf | mutante: that doesn't really help me understand what you're trying to get me to do |
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| 21:07.35 | mutante | Dark_Wolf: boot the livecd, confirm it works, and basically repeat the same commands i mentioned earlier |
| 21:07.41 | Dark_Wolf | I don't really want to download a Debian livecd right now either |
| 21:07.54 | Dark_Wolf | And all my other livecds are out of date |
| 21:08.07 | mutante | Dark_Wolf: at least if you know what chip it is you have a change to find out more |
| 21:08.07 | AthomIk | ragnar76: with aplay -l i see all sounds device and can test with aplay .... |
| 21:08.13 | mutante | chance |
| 21:08.38 | ragnar76 | AthomIk: ok, your point |
| 21:08.49 | Dark_Wolf | mutante: shouldn't it just work from the start? I just want to know why I don't have any USB support installed |
| 21:10.52 | mutante | Dark_Wolf: sure it _should_, but apparently it doesnt. without knowing what the hardware is, it's not really possible to file a bug report, which is the way to go if you want to have the REAL answer to your "Why" question |
| 21:10.53 | AthomIk | ragnar76: with aplay -l i have see, my hdmi sound nvidia is not in kernel < 2.6.33 |
| 21:10.54 | jelly-home | Dark_Wolf: it depends... is your USB controller on the mainboard or a separate card? Can you pastebin the output of "lspci -nn", the whole dmesg, and "cat /proc/cpuinfo" for good measure? |
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| 21:11.23 | Dark_Wolf | jelly: mainboard... it's a little hard to pastebin anything from a terminal |
| 21:11.33 | jelly-home | !pastebinit |
| 21:11.33 | dpkg | [pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". |
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| 21:13.10 | sylecn | ragnar76: if you are using alsa only, you can set your preferred card in ~/.asoundrc, use pcm.!default and ctl.!default |
| 21:13.16 | ragnar76 | AthomIk: i allready found out what i have with "cat /proc/asound/cards" ( it's USB-Audio - USB Audio Device, Elite Silicon USB Audio Device at usb-0000:00:1d.1-2, full speed ). now i need to know to to set it to default. |
| 21:13.16 | AthomIk | ok pastebinit is great |
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| 21:13.58 | AthomIk | ragnar76: i have create a /etc/asound.conf for my hdmi by default |
| 21:14.10 | AthomIk | ragnar76: else can work on hdmi |
| 21:14.52 | AthomIk | ragnar76: exemple and for test patebinit :D http://pastebin.com/xLd8w9Y8 |
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| 21:15.32 | ragnar76 | ok, let me hack my own. brb |
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| 21:16.29 | Dark_Wolf | jelly-home: http://www.pastebin.com/Uu3bz5jM http://www.pastebin.com/A8mJZMvH http://www.pastebin.com/QAASzN8V |
| 21:17.02 | ragnar76 | am i right when i have to relogin? |
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| 21:19.06 | bluegene | anyone knows a repository with chromium 10? |
| 21:19.18 | jhutchins_lt | bluegene: Google. |
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| 21:19.51 | ansgar | bluegene: experimental. |
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| 21:20.26 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions chromium |
| 21:20.27 | judd | Package chromium on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.13.2-1; squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; experimental: 10.0.648.114~r75702-1 |
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| 21:21.04 | bluegene | thanks |
| 21:21.20 | Dev0n | hey, on a deb 6 install, I selected Desktop enviro, SSH Server and Standard System during software selection, which (excl. ssh ofc) contain the useless stuff like openoffice so I can remove them ? |
| 21:21.45 | Dev0n | I just want the minimal desktop, I should have installed without tickign the boxes I suppose then instealld gnome core |
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| 21:22.09 | Mermelada | hello |
| 21:22.15 | Mermelada | what should i use then on my desktop pc ? |
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| 21:24.03 | ragnar76 | hi again |
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| 21:24.14 | ragnar76 | AthomIk: did not work :o( |
| 21:24.25 | cahoot | Dev0n: I guess the answer is yes |
| 21:24.40 | amphi | Mermelada: what does your question mean? |
| 21:24.50 | AthomIk | ragnar76: for test no reboot, restart alsa-utils in /etc/init.d |
| 21:25.01 | Mermelada | should i debian or ubuntu |
| 21:25.53 | amphi | Mermelada: in here, people would likely suggest debian |
| 21:26.01 | Mermelada | ok |
| 21:26.15 | AthomIk | ragnar76: pastebinit aplay -l and what card you wanna working ? |
| 21:26.29 | Dev0n | cahoot, what package do I remove to remove all the gnome stuff that got added ? |
| 21:26.38 | Dev0n | so I install just the gnome core |
| 21:26.57 | Mermelada | hello |
| 21:27.03 | AthomIk | Dev0n: is a metapackage i have this problem, for remove gdm3 to gdm |
| 21:27.04 | Mermelada | is debian very faster than ubuntu |
| 21:27.13 | Mermelada | the |
| 21:27.31 | ragnar76 | AthomIk: http://pastebin.com/GGXeexHA, |
| 21:27.32 | arumaniac | yes it is.. but as the same way have unknows crashes possssss.. |
| 21:27.37 | AthomIk | Mermelada: debian is the ubuntu "mother" |
| 21:27.51 | arumaniac | browser is crashing all the times :( |
| 21:27.54 | Dev0n | I suspect Mermelada is a troll, please don't feed it. |
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| 21:28.58 | AthomIk | ragnar76: test aplay -Dhw:1,0 -f S16_LE -c2 -r44100 /usr/share/sounds/gnome/default/alerts/sonar.ogg |
| 21:29.11 | AthomIk | or other sound file |
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| 21:29.23 | jelly-home | Dark_Wolf: I don't have much experience with ISA machines and isapnp on 2.6 kernels. Do you have a BIOS and is USB enabled in there? |
| 21:29.41 | Dark_Wolf | I can always check, but I'm sure it is |
| 21:29.56 | AthomIk | Dark_Wolf: you have pentium 200 not 486 |
| 21:30.17 | ragnar76 | AthomIk: outch! thats was loud and noisy! but no real sound at all |
| 21:30.19 | jelly-home | AthomIk: still the -486 flavor kernel is the right one for it |
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| 21:30.51 | Dark_Wolf | ... |
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| 21:31.00 | Dark_Wolf | "USB Interface: Disabled" |
| 21:31.14 | Dark_Wolf | Wonderful... thank you old BIOS for not enabling that by default |
| 21:31.14 | jelly-home | sometimes one misses the little things |
| 21:32.24 | AthomIk | ragnar76: is aplay -Dhw:1,9 -f S16_LE -c2 -r44100 /usr/share/sounds/gnome/default/alerts/sonar.ogg is not a good sound is for test i you head sound |
| 21:32.27 | arumaniac | I HATE DEBIAN BROSERS |
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| 21:32.42 | arumaniac | they ALL kill them self all the time BAGH |
| 21:32.54 | arumaniac | can I please read my email? |
| 21:32.58 | arumaniac | :( |
| 21:33.23 | ragnar76 | AthomIk: yes, there was a "sound" ( dont know how to explain since english is not my native lang ). |
| 21:34.16 | Dark_Wolf | Woot, the iPod charge sound came on |
| 21:34.22 | Dark_Wolf | Guess that means it works |
| 21:34.50 | jelly-home | !win Dark_Wolf |
| 21:34.50 | dpkg | Congratulations, Dark_Wolf! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 21:34.56 | AthomIk | ragnar76: make /etc/asound.conf with card 1 and device 0 and /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart |
| 21:35.06 | Dark_Wolf | Yay, do I get a free manicure? |
| 21:35.08 | jhutchins_lt | Dark_Wolf: Literally lol here - I really assumed you'd checked that. |
| 21:35.17 | Dark_Wolf | I don't ever check the BIOS |
| 21:35.24 | jhutchins_lt | !congratulate Dark_Wolf |
| 21:35.25 | dpkg | Huzzah Dark_Wolf, you did it! |
| 21:35.44 | Dark_Wolf | I reset it a while back though, which is probably what caused it... I didn't know that it would disable USB though |
| 21:35.53 | Dev0n | AthomIk, is it not possible to remove the gnome-dekstop-enviro. metapakage as a whole ? |
| 21:36.19 | AthomIk | Dev0n: i am not a master of aptitude |
| 21:36.52 | Dev0n | damn :( |
| 21:36.54 | Dev0n | kk |
| 21:37.19 | ragnar76 | AthomIk: nope. nothing. silence :o( |
| 21:37.46 | jhutchins_lt | !tell Dev0n about remove gnome |
| 21:37.48 | AthomIk | ragnar76: pastebinit your /etc/asound.conf |
| 21:38.09 | jhutchins_lt | !alsa checklist |
| 21:38.09 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer to unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense if available) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 21:38.23 | Dev0n | huess that didn't work jhutchins_lt ? |
| 21:38.28 | Dev0n | guess* |
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| 21:38.43 | Dev0n | would removing "gnome" be enoguh to remove all the useless stuff it intsalled ? |
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| 21:38.58 | ragnar76 | AthomIk: http://pastebin.com/SVBK1t6F |
| 21:38.58 | jhutchins_lt | Dev0n: Look for a query from dpkg in a different tab/window. |
| 21:39.12 | Dev0n | oops |
| 21:39.19 | Dev0n | my bad didn't notice that |
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| 21:39.54 | jhutchins_lt | Dev0n: We've all gotta start somewhere. |
| 21:40.18 | Dev0n | heh |
| 21:40.40 | Dev0n | so once I remove those pacakges... what suffice as a minimal desktop ? |
| 21:40.41 | ragnar76 | ok, just checked. nothing is muted |
| 21:40.49 | AthomIk | ragnar76: yes check alsamixer for see the sound level |
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| 21:41.12 | Dark_Wolf | Well, thanks for the help, now on to the next issue |
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| 21:41.28 | Dark_Wolf | my console is setting a different font, and I'd rather it didn't |
| 21:41.34 | Dev0n | like, I'm not sure which packages I need to install for the desktop to function and still be the smallest possible without extra apps |
| 21:42.25 | Dev0n | !tell Dev0n gnome minimal |
| 21:43.09 | abrotman | !tell Dev0n about selftell |
| 21:43.16 | AthomIk | ragnar76: the first sound card is embededd ? have you try to disable this in bios ? |
| 21:44.32 | Dev0n | ahh gotcha |
| 21:44.32 | jhutchins_lt | Dev0n: For private queries use /msg dpkg <factoid> |
| 21:44.34 | Dev0n | thx |
| 21:44.34 | AthomIk | Dev0n: gnome-session i think small gnome |
| 21:44.47 | jhutchins_lt | !info gnome-session |
| 21:45.23 | dpkg | gnome-session: (The GNOME Session Manager - GNOME 2 session), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.30.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 79 kB, Installed size: 204 kB |
| 21:45.44 | jhutchins_lt | Dev0n: There are other window managers like xfce and fluxbox that are simpler. Old bearded linux admins used to run raw X with a terminal to launch apps <grin>. |
| 21:45.54 | Dev0n | hehe |
| 21:46.14 | Dev0n | is there anything else I''ll have to install with "gnome-session" to get a functioning as a desktop ? |
| 21:46.22 | Dev0n | surely 79kb is lacking some features |
| 21:46.32 | Dev0n | like, the login screen for instance |
| 21:46.57 | ragnar76 | AthomIk: i dont want to. you have to know, my speakers are connected to the onboard soundcard and in the evening when my kids are in bed, i'd like to use the usb headset we are trying to setup right now. |
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| 21:48.26 | bluegene | is there any proven ldap schema one should use for postfix virtual mail hosting? |
| 21:49.07 | AthomIk | ragnar76: ok,but now i am not a expert with sound card if /etc/asound.conf have not effect |
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| 21:50.21 | kW_ | Hello! When scripting an automated install, how can I automatically answer the questions which presented when calling "dpkg-reconfigure locales"? |
| 21:50.33 | kW_ | (Or any question of "dpkg-reconfigure", for that matter) |
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| 21:51.17 | abrotman | preseeding, see the installation manual |
| 21:51.50 | ragnar76 | AthomIk: no problem. thx a lot for your help so far |
| 21:52.14 | ragnar76 | AthomIk: maybe you have pointed me the right way |
| 21:53.15 | AthomIk | ragnar76: if aplay -Dhw:1,0 -f S16_LE -c2 -r44100 /usr/share/sounds/gnome/default/alerts/sonar.ogg create sound, you must find a solution |
| 21:54.31 | ragnar76 | AthomIk: some ( error ) messages from /etc/init.d/alsa-utils would be usefull :o( |
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| 21:55.26 | ahammond | I have an issue upgrading python: http://pastebin.com/WkQCKQwa |
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| 21:56.40 | ahammond | where does python usually live? I'm seeing it installed in /usr/local/bin... |
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| 21:57.03 | AthomIk | ragnar76: yes sound can be a great problem, for have sound in hdmi on my tv for my daughter emulator gamecube, i have recompiled a kernel 2.6.37, else not run with debian actual kernel |
| 21:58.03 | samer | I have a file, when I do `file path/to/file`, I get: path/to/file: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, not stripped |
| 21:58.07 | samer | But when I try to execute it (it has +x), I get: path/to/file: No such file or directory |
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| 21:58.22 | AthomIk | ragnar76: now i search for overclocking my nvidia gt 430, on windows xp i have this option in nvidia soft but in linux..... |
| 21:59.01 | ragnar76 | AthomIk: afaik there was a tool from nvidia in the binary drivers |
| 21:59.08 | kW_ | abrotman: thank you... looks like "debconf-get-selections" has gone missing in debian squeeze |
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| 22:00.23 | AthomIk | ragnar76: explain a tools in binary drivers have search some day.... |
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| 22:00.33 | kW_ | ...or in a different package |
| 22:00.35 | ragnar76 | AthomIk: it's name is nvclock. have you tried that? |
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| 22:00.59 | AthomIk | ragnar76: nvclock is for old nvidia |
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| 22:01.32 | AthomIk | grazymax: and options CoolBits 1 in xorg.conf not run with recent card and drivers i have see |
| 22:01.48 | AthomIk | ragnar76: and options CoolBits 1 in xorg.conf not run with recent card and drivers i have see |
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| 22:03.35 | AthomIk | ragnar76: last version of nvclock is Sunday January 4 2009 |
| 22:04.01 | ragnar76 | AthomIk: it was out of my mind. my last nvidia was a fx5200. 3 or 4 years ago |
| 22:04.39 | AthomIk | ragnar76: is me, is my first nvidia it's for dolphin emulator, work fine on linux |
| 22:04.45 | AthomIk | ragnar76: for child is good |
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| 22:09.17 | ragnar76 | AthomIk: never played any 3d console. i still love good old 2d jump & runs or vertical shooter like raiden |
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| 22:13.57 | gerald | hi, since updating to squeeze it seems $HOSTNAME is not defined any more in cron's environment, is there some reason for that? should I change scripts that used to use $HOSTNAME to do `hostname --fqdn` or something instead? |
| 22:15.27 | gerald | (I think these might be xen hosts, not sure if that's related) |
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| 22:21.14 | gerald | doesn't see anything related in crontab(5) man page or google searches |
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| 22:22.17 | E21_ | Should I install Pitivi video editor or avidemux ? |
| 22:22.54 | ragnar76 | E21_: depends on your favor. i prefer avidemux |
| 22:23.10 | E21_ | any special reason? |
| 22:24.25 | ragnar76 | E21_: for me, it's easier to handle. i cut commercials from tv movies in a few minutes with it. |
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| 22:25.27 | E21_ | cool, but I wonder why it is not in Debian repo but every other video editor like Kino, Kdenlive, Openshot, etc IS |
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| 22:26.50 | ragnar76 | E21_: it's in debian-multimedia |
| 22:26.59 | erAbuelo | hasta mañana |
| 22:27.04 | jerojasro | hi all. is there any equivalent to /proc/cpuinfo for hard disks? |
| 22:27.18 | E21_ | I know but that is not an official reposittory |
| 22:28.11 | ragnar76 | jerojasro: have you looked at hdparm? |
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| 22:29.38 | dvs | jerojasro: hdparm -i ? |
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| 22:30.41 | jerojasro | ragnar76, dvs, thanks a lot! |
| 22:30.45 | dvs | np |
| 22:31.11 | ragnar76 | jerojasro: np |
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| 22:31.44 | omakase | how do i flush the dns cache on a debian machine? |
| 22:32.05 | Dev0n | oh damn |
| 22:32.18 | ragnar76 | E21_: to be honest, i don't care about what's official debian or not. as long as i get what i need. |
| 22:32.21 | Dev0n | so aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2 didn't actually remove the openoffice crap that came packed with the standard gnome install :( |
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| 22:34.33 | ragnar76 | jerojasro: just another hit. be carfull with hdparm. in worst case you can destroy your hdd and or your data |
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| 22:35.18 | jerojasro | alias hdparm='hdparm -i' ;) |
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| 22:36.18 | ragnar76 | hdparm -t -T is also very usefull |
| 22:36.23 | themill | dpkg: tell ahammond about local python |
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| 22:38.39 | demetan | hello, on debian, i am looking for a ftp client with gui different than filezilla. some ideas ? |
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| 22:39.31 | Bushmills | demetan: what window manager/desktop environment? |
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| 22:40.34 | demetan | Bushmills: gnome |
| 22:40.40 | Bushmills | use nautilus |
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| 22:41.51 | demetan | Bushmills : thank you |
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| 22:42.44 | Bop | anyone uses sound-juicer ? aint working in here |
| 22:43.32 | ahammond | themill: thanks. It's always fun to inherit a system that's a total mess. Sigh. |
| 22:43.52 | themill | hehe |
| 22:43.53 | Bushmills | Bop: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=sound-juicer |
| 22:44.04 | Bop | i have it installed , Bushmills |
| 22:44.26 | Bushmills | that should answer your question |
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| 22:44.45 | ahammond | I think I'm gonna install some Bushmills tonight after work. The whisky, that is. |
| 22:45.15 | phoenixsampras | help! how to mount a ext3 partition? |
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| 22:48.01 | Bushmills | phoenixsampras: you bribe your sysadmin to do it for oyu |
| 22:48.03 | Bushmills | you |
| 22:48.15 | Bop | Bushmills, aint working, that's my problem |
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| 22:48.38 | Bushmills | bop, your problem, maybe. but not your question |
| 22:48.49 | Bop | ok |
| 22:48.57 | Bop | sound-juicer wont list me tracks , any help ? |
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| 22:50.06 | Bushmills | Bop: insert a CD first |
| 22:50.22 | Bop | Bushmills, ORLY -.- |
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| 22:51.31 | Bushmills | or were we supposed to guess that you had done so? |
| 22:51.42 | Bushmills | what else are we suipposed to guess? |
| 22:52.04 | Bop | ok |
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| 22:52.18 | Bop | cds aint auto-mounting , testing tree |
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| 22:53.32 | Bushmills | audio cds? |
| 22:54.32 | Bop | no |
| 22:54.34 | Bop | any cd |
| 22:54.40 | Bop | have to mount it manually |
| 22:54.45 | Bop | might be the cause |
| 22:54.50 | themill | you don't mount audio CDs in any case |
| 22:55.08 | Bop | <Bop> any cd |
| 22:55.11 | Bop | data CD |
| 22:55.20 | Bop | mount -t auto /dev/sr0 /mnt works |
| 22:55.29 | themill | not with an audio cd it doesn't |
| 22:55.40 | Bop | are u reading me ? |
| 22:55.45 | Bop | ANY FUCKING DATA CD |
| 22:56.00 | themill | Bop: feel free to start providing useful information any time you want help |
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| 22:56.09 | Bop | if i have a doubt , doesnt mean im stupid , the |
| 22:56.12 | Bop | if i have a doubt , doesnt mean im stupid , themill |
| 22:56.34 | themill | I most certainly neither said nor implied that you were. |
| 22:56.39 | Bop | and what usefull information u want |
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| 22:57.03 | Bop | i can mount it with manual mount, but it aint automounting |
| 22:57.27 | Bushmills | anything which enables people to give more detailed help then "a: look for cause of problem. b: fix it" |
| 22:57.29 | themill | are we fixing automounting or audio cds in sound juicer? |
| 22:57.43 | Bop | automounting first |
| 22:57.55 | Bop | just realized it aint working |
| 22:58.22 | themill | !gnome-volume-manager |
| 22:58.23 | dpkg | it has been said that gnome-volume-manager is a package for gnome users that will automount removable volumes. aptitude install gnome-volume-manager pmount ; adduser username plugdev ; you will have to log out and back in before it works or ask me about <gnome>, <pmount>, <automount> |
| 22:58.23 | E21_ | what the keyboard shortcut for Restarting debian? |
| 22:58.29 | Bop | hal is the responsable for auto-mounting , right |
| 22:58.41 | themill | hmm... I don't know if that information is current for squeeze. |
| 22:58.50 | Bushmills | E21_: a key sequence, of keys r,e,b,o,o,t |
| 22:58.51 | Bop | hmm plugdev |
| 22:59.16 | E21_ | seriously just r,e,b,o,o,t? |
| 22:59.38 | Bushmills | ehm .. no. |
| 22:59.48 | themill | Bop: you may well have a process in ps "hald-addon-storage: polling /dev/sr0 (every 2 sec)" |
| 22:59.49 | Bushmills | r,e,b,o,o,t,<Enter> |
| 23:00.21 | Bop | root 2303 0.0 0.0 3708 1292 ? S Mar07 0:18 hald-addon-storage: polling /dev/sr0 (every 2 sec) |
| 23:00.22 | Bop | i have it |
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| 23:01.14 | E21_ | thanks |
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| 23:02.25 | Bop | No candidate version found for gnome-volume-manager |
| 23:02.39 | Bop | is it removed from tree ? |
| 23:03.09 | djobbito | hi, I have a little exam, I have a question that I need to make sure to answer... help me pls!! |
| 23:03.10 | djobbito | Server A is trying to communicate using TCP to port 1812 on Server B but Server A cant establish a connection. Troubleshoot
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| 23:04.06 | djobbito | Nobody?? |
| 23:04.07 | Bop | djobbito, check if port is open no server side first |
| 23:04.22 | Bop | open , and not firewalld |
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| 23:05.00 | themill | Bop: I think that information that dpkg has is from lenny; there's some new gvfs thing about which I know precisely nothing. |
| 23:05.12 | djobbito | using netstat?? |
| 23:05.43 | Bop | djobbito, telnet serverB 1812 will give u answer if its open or not |
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| 23:06.33 | tharkun | Gentlemen what is the equivalent of vim-full which did not used X ? |
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| 23:06.51 | djobbito | alright.... and then if the port is open? and still no connection between A and B, what should I do1!! |
| 23:06.54 | djobbito | ?? |
| 23:07.16 | djobbito | I still take note of everything possible to troubleshoot!! |
| 23:07.17 | themill | tharkun: "vim"? |
| 23:07.18 | jhutchins_lt | djobbito: What service would use 1812? |
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| 23:07.40 | themill | jhutchins_lt: Napoleonic ones, presumably. |
| 23:08.04 | jhutchins_lt | I seem to recall an invasion in these parts as well. Burned the White House they did. |
| 23:08.07 | djobbito | there is Radius that use 1812 |
| 23:08.19 | jhutchins_lt | djobbito: Poitnts awarded. |
| 23:08.26 | jhutchins_lt | points even |
| 23:08.40 | jhutchins_lt | djobbito: Ok, is the radius server running correctly? Clean log? |
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| 23:08.57 | tharkun | themill: vim-common vim[-tiny|-puppet|-go |
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| 23:09.20 | jhutchins_lt | djobbito: Is Server A configured correctly to access the radius server, using correct credentials? |
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| 23:10.00 | djobbito | I thought about that one too (credentials) |
| 23:10.17 | jhutchins_lt | djobbito: Is the radius server listening to the correct interface, and is it configured to allow connections from wherever server A is? |
| 23:11.02 | djobbito | Ok!! so Bob suggested to check if port is open with telnet, you do suggest to check credentials!! alright... i am taking note!!! |
| 23:11.04 | jhutchins_lt | djobbito: Also a firewall in between them, or firewall software on server B. (I think we won't worry that Server A is firewalling server B's response) |
| 23:11.09 | tharkun | themill: It used to be a vim-full but it is deprecated in favor of something else. Thanks for pointing me to vim but i am sure it is a very stripped down version of that package |
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| 23:11.34 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: vim-nox |
| 23:11.36 | themill | tharkun: not according to the package description. There's vim-tiny if you want less. |
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| 23:12.49 | djobbito | Ok... thanks man... I hope that shall be enought to make the right troubleshout for my exam.... |
| 23:13.02 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: I'll try as themill suggested vim and see how much it lacks if i can live with it or not |
| 23:13.21 | djobbito | but a question, isnt it better to check if port is open with netstat rather than telnet??? |
| 23:13.35 | tharkun | themill: Well i will not discuss aptitudes little tweaks on how to find information with you. I've learned to trust your judgement |
| 23:14.36 | themill | bwahahhaah |
| 23:15.32 | tharkun | Could someone bann this overgrown ego please |
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| 23:18.33 | arumaniac | Iceweasel is already running, but is not responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing Iceweasel process, or restart your system. |
| 23:18.37 | arumaniac | I restart |
| 23:18.39 | arumaniac | I remove |
| 23:18.42 | arumaniac | I reinstall |
| 23:18.57 | arumaniac | Do I need to format the system ? |
| 23:19.15 | amphi | no |
| 23:19.36 | arumaniac | great. so what should I do ? |
| 23:19.48 | amphi | there's some lockfile lurking somewhere, I expect - are sure it's not running? |
| 23:20.13 | amphi | ps aux | grep iceweasel shows anything? |
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| 23:20.21 | arumaniac | amphi, secound time I reboot the machine and everytime I start I get this error |
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| 23:20.46 | arumaniac | nothing |
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| 23:20.48 | amphi | arumaniac: look in ~/.mozilla for a file called lock |
| 23:20.56 | amphi | or something.lock |
| 23:21.04 | amphi | it's long since I used iceweasel |
| 23:22.19 | amphi | arumaniac: you find it? |
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| 23:23.19 | frewsxcv | does anyone know where the data directory for postgres is for debian? |
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| 23:23.45 | themill | arumaniac, amphi: it would be ~/.mozilla/firefox/<random>.<profilename>/lock |
| 23:23.49 | arumaniac | amphi, no but I solve that problem by cd .mozilla && rm -rf * |
| 23:24.08 | themill | subtle |
| 23:24.13 | uoods | lol |
| 23:24.22 | arumaniac | is ok, I had backup of all bookmarks |
| 23:24.27 | uoods | he killed a fly with a cannon |
| 23:24.35 | arumaniac | =) |
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| 23:24.40 | amphi | themill: right, I remember now, thanks |
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| 23:24.57 | amphi | "stop, or I'll fire aimlessly!" |
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| 23:28.27 | tharkun | At least it was more subtle than the initial proposal17:18 < arumaniac> Do I need to format the system ? |
| 23:29.27 | tharkun | frewsxcv: /var/lib/postgresql/your_version_here/ |
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| 23:46.59 | adoure | nice running on virtbox |
| 23:47.10 | adoure | ca va |
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| 23:50.55 | E121 | Avidemux wont play my video, it automatically exits out everytime |
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| 23:59.55 | BlackFate | Hello, is there any way to add insert password for a new user in the command for pure-ftpd virtual users? pure-pw useradd ... |
